[01:20] <membreya> Saint33: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[01:20] <Saint33> thx
[01:21] <scarsedida> i need help with sound... i had installed 5.04 here at school and all works fine ... but the sound works only for the system ( login...logout sounds) and not for the applications ( eg tuxpaint, tuxracer...)...any tips... (sorry for my bad english...)
[01:21] <Manel> my PC is AMD 64 is much thing or better than it installs noncAmd to me 64 as it passes with Debian sarge
[01:22] <flipy> Manel, instala la versio d'amd64,,,,,+
[01:22] <johan2> Hello everybody are linux newbe and can't enabel english spelling check in Gaim
[01:22] <Manel> va be
[01:22] <xfSx> scarese, hmm esound (esd) might need setting as the device driver in the program preferences?
[01:22] <Manel> hi ni ha bastan coses per baixa
[01:22] <flipy> johan, try looking for myspell-en, ispell-en, wenglish, and language-support-en
[01:22] <Manel> perque el nvu el nesesito i amb sarge no hiera
[01:22] <johan2> was trying to solve this problem yesterday night but can't do it:(
[01:23] <flipy> Manel, hi ha 2 cd per arquitectura, el livecd i linstalador, descarregat el instalador
[01:23] <membreya> scarsedida: what type of soundcard?
[01:23] <Manel> estic a la web buscan haviam si el trobo
[01:23] <scarsedida> membreya, /exec lspci
[01:23] <gahan> is it possible to upgrade sid->ubuntu?
[01:23] <membreya> scarsedida: im trying to help you with your sound problem :P
[01:23] <johan2> I am swedish a Norwedian have the same problem  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7891.html
[01:24] <Manel> en posare el Cd que tinc i despres instalare el kde
[01:24] <mjr> gahan, it is physically mostly possible; you might have to do some handjobs and it's not supported, though
[01:24] <flipy> Manel, http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso
[01:24] <gahan> i need new sources.list then
[01:24] <johan2> the ubuntu forum sucks>:o
[01:24] <eruin> hmm
[01:24] <Manel> okis meri companys gracies
[01:24] <eruin> aspell does norwegian just fine here
[01:25] <flipy> johan, erm... try to do a more extensive search...
[01:25] <scarsedida> membreya, it works for the system... but not for all the apps...
[01:25] <gahan> hoary is the current release?
[01:25] <Dull404> my spell check worked by default.. after a clean ubuntu hoary install
[01:25] <membreya> scarsedida: you're still not answering my question
[01:25] <eruin> gahan: yes
[01:25] <membreya> gahan: hoary is the latest stable
[01:25] <membreya> the latest version is breezy
[01:25] <johan2> have googel it for hours also find this if it helps? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4735.html
[01:25] <membreya> and DAMN there's a few error messages at boot with it :P
[01:26] <eruin> I get keymap, eth0 errors on booting breezy ;)
[01:26] <membreya> eruin: yup :D
[01:26] <eruin> but it chugs along like a dream
[01:26] <eruin> :D
[01:26] <membreya> eruin: i just wish they would fix the freaking nvidia-glx bug!
[01:26] <johan2> I am newbe so it is quit dificult for me to understand
[01:26] <eruin> membreya: oh.. I use the official installerthing
[01:26] <eruin> ;p
[01:27] <membreya> eruin: ...im referring to nvidia-glx locking when you use renderaccel
[01:27] <membreya> seems to only affect the lower end cards
[01:27] <scarsedida> membreya, 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[01:27] <PacoBCN> I've decided I'll upgrade to breezy for my bday in July and not before, too scared!
[01:27] <PacoBCN> :D
[01:27] <eruin> mohaha
[01:27] <eruin> PacoBCN: if that's july 20th, we can be birthdaypals!
[01:27] <eruin> haha
[01:27] <gahan> hoary got xorg?
[01:27] <eruin> yes
[01:27] <eruin> 6.8.2
[01:28] <membreya> scarsedida: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/.asoundrc copy and paste that text to a file called .asoundrc in your home directory
[01:28] <membreya> PacoBCN: friggin awesome month to be born in :D
[01:28] <PacoBCN> eruin, nop, sorry, 7th, I was born 7-7-77, easy to remember
[01:28] <membreya> 25/07 for me :D
[01:28] <eruin> bugger all
[01:28] <membreya> old fart PacoBCN :P
[01:28] <gahan> i hope nvidia is xorg compatibile 'cause im gonna get dualview to work
[01:28] <johan2>  Dull404: I have swedish spelling sugesstions by defult but can't change to English
[01:28] <gahan> :\
[01:28] <membreya> 25/07/1979
[01:28] <PacoBCN> membreya, yeah!
[01:28] <PacoBCN> :D
[01:28] <eruin> 20-7-83
[01:28] <scarsedida> membreya, ok...thnx ...i do it now..
[01:28] <membreya> damn whipper snapper :P
[01:29] <eruin> membreya: you missed 24/7 by a day, aww ;)
[01:29] <Manel> that version of kernel takes ubuntu amd 64
[01:29] <membreya> eruin: i take it the extra step :P 25 hours a day :D
[01:29] <eruin> haha
[01:29] <johan2> working in evolution, abyword open ofice and so on...
[01:29] <St0n3-C0l> Back on GNOME
[01:29] <St0n3-C0l> Nermal: me too ;)
[01:29] <membreya> speaking of oo.o...anyone know when support for oo.o2 will be listed for amd64?
[01:30] <johan2> sorry for the bad spelling;)
[01:30] <membreya> breezy here too..you folks enjoying the mapping of eth0 being unreliable and the keymap errors? :P
[01:30] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:31] <gules> cya
[01:31] <Dull404> johan2, oh.. yeah me too :) just change language then
[01:31] <eruin> membreya: yeah, loving those, but aspell-buggage making bluefish useless on the other hand...
[01:32] <xfSx> hey sorry but how do i setup samba so no password is required to axs shares?
[01:32] <membreya> aspell bug? :|
[01:32] <membreya> aspell works fine for me in kopete and kmail
[01:32] <goo> Hm, Ubuntu should have the possibility of installing over ssh like Gentoo has - fire up sshd, log inn and fire up debootstrap or whatnot.
[01:32] <scarsedida> membreya, done... have i to restart something  to make it works?
[01:32] <goo> Now I have to run back and forth
[01:32] <St0n3-C0l> smbpasswd ?
[01:32] <gahan> xfSx: security=share and gues ok = yes might help you
[01:32] <membreya> scarsedida: you might want to do a /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[01:32] <eruin> membreya: got some unresolved symbol trash.. I've just downgraded to 0.50 for the time being ;-p
[01:32] <gahan> s/gues/guest/
[01:33] <scarsedida> membreya, thnx...
[01:33] <xfSx> gahan cool lemme give that a shot
[01:33] <membreya> dont thank me till the problem is fixed
[01:34] <Saint33> cya folks...
[01:34] <xfSx> hmm my ubu shows yupdates to be installed yet says they can't be auth'd?
[01:35] <membreya> xfSx: it probably means you are using a non-standard repo
[01:35] <johan2> membreya: Can you run kopete under gnome ?
[01:36] <Dull404> yeah with kde libs
[01:36] <membreya> johan2: i use kubuntu :) gnome makes me kry
[01:36] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:36] <membreya> so who else here is looking forward to luminocity? :D
[01:36] <Nermal> :(
[01:37] <St0n3-C0l> Both are okay but Gnome 2.10 is lacking in menu editor and eye-candy
[01:37] <johan2>  johan2: me too but am a design freek and KDE is uggly:-/
[01:37] <St0n3-C0l> eye candy (gdesklets)
[01:37] <membreya> for those that dont know luminocity....
[01:37] <membreya> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[01:37] <membreya> johan2: ...take that back!
[01:38] <membreya> to offer a comparison..gnome is south park...kde is final fantasy the movie :D
[01:38] <Dull404> Gnome looks better :)
[01:38] <membreya> BAH
[01:39] <johan2> St0n3-C0l: you say I can run kopete under Gnome?
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> no
[01:39] <St0n3-C0l> I didnt
[01:40] <Dull404> johan2, with kde libs yes
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> But you an
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> can*
[01:40] <Dull404> but kopete is ugly
[01:40] <membreya> again Dull404 ....die
[01:40] <membreya> :P
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> Dull404: true :P
[01:40] <Dull404> lol
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[01:40] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: Thats true
[01:41] <membreya> i love kopete...especially since it does bubbles when you get a message :D
[01:41] <eruin> "bubbles" ?
[01:41] <St0n3-C0l> l0ll
[01:41] <Dull404> membreya, Gaim does that too, but the yellow dude is shaking instead
[01:41] <membreya> yes eruin :P
[01:41] <membreya> Dull404: i never had luck with that gaim theme :)
[01:41] <eruin> I know gaim lacks in alot of areas, but I still can't get myself to use any other client
[01:41] <membreya> that and I want webcam support
[01:41] <membreya> :D
[01:41] <membreya> if only for receiving
[01:42] <scarsedida> membreya, seems not workin still... :(
[01:42] <eruin> I want super-berfancy gaim popups when people send me messages
[01:42] <Quinn_Storm> eruin: you mean like gaim-guifications?
[01:43] <johan2>  eruin: I realy like Gaim interface, only problem is this spelling problem.
[01:43] <St0n3-C0l> Quinn_Storm: They're okay ;)
[01:44] <membreya> scarsedida: i can only recommend posting to the mailing list
[01:44] <Dull404> johan2 what's wrong with swedish then? ;))
[01:44] <membreya> gaim-guifications..never worked for me
[01:44] <johan2> Is it not other non English speeking here?
[01:44] <scarsedida> membreya, ok...
[01:44] <membreya> eruin: how did you get that accent above uber? :P
[01:44] <Dull404> johan2 bajsklutt
[01:44] <erol> help me about webm'n ' cant log'n
[01:45] <johan2> Dull404: I can already spell in swedish:)
[01:45] <St0n3-C0l> Gnome VS KDE - Reviews please | I'll be neutral :P
[01:45] <Dull404> johan2 kan jag med, anvnder inte ens stavnings kontrollen....
[01:45] <erol> help me about webmin i cant login
[01:45] <membreya> St0n3-C0l: ....gnome ..plain but stable...kde ...tweakable, slightly unstable....but damnit it lets you edit the menus :P
[01:46] <membreya> and kde is great eye candy :D
[01:46] <Choubaka> hah!
[01:46] <Choubaka> XFCE beats all those.
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:46] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/snapshot2.png
[01:46] <St0n3-C0l> tweakable...now thats something Newbies will hate to do :P
[01:46] <Choubaka> menu editing, lightweight, cute, stable...
[01:46] <Nermal> St0n3-C0l, try both, choose
[01:46] <xfSx> there's no way to edit gnome menus?
[01:46] <Choubaka> There is
[01:47] <Choubaka> with a third-party tools
[01:47] <Choubaka> -s
[01:47] <Quinn_Storm> ewww, you use keramik? I at least use plastik...
[01:47] <membreya> :P
[01:47] <St0n3-C0l> Nermal: haha...i've both atm :P
[01:47] <resiak> membreya: g  !
[01:47] <Nermal> St0n3-C0l, so why ask us to choose for you?
[01:47] <Dull404> xfSx, i red something about it in www.ubuntuguide.org ... in section.. gnome.. menu editing or something
[01:47] <membreya> aaaah
[01:47] <xfSx> cool thanks
[01:47] <membreya> fonts...bad!
[01:47] <membreya> evil keraminc!
[01:47] <Nermal> urrgh
[01:48] <Choubaka> Nermal: ok. wtf language was that.
[01:48] <erol> anybody help whats wrong
[01:48] <Choubaka> err
[01:48] <St0n3-C0l> Nermal: I didin't asked...I said give ur reviews and I'll be neutral
[01:48] <no0tic> when running on batteries, scaling governor doesn't switch to powersave...
[01:48] <Choubaka> resiak:
[01:48] <Choubaka> :P
[01:48] <Nermal> :P
[01:48] <johan2> Dull404: okej. Mitt problem r att jag stavar illa bde p svenska och engelska, fast nr det gller engelskan s MSTE jag ha stavningshjlp fr att hnga med hr!!
[01:48] <membreya> damnit, i hate keramic!!!
[01:49] <Nermal> why do people ask for gnome / kde reviews when there are so many on the net
[01:49] <Dull404> johan2, for xchat or gaim? hold on, let me find it for you ;)
[01:49] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: Wh0z in the background ;)
[01:49] <membreya> St0n3-C0l: elisha cuthbert :D
[01:50] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/ecuthb1012rg.jpg3
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:50] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/ecuthb1012rg.jpg even!
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: Take a loot at RAM usage
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> look*
[01:50] <johan2> Dull404: Gami:)
[01:50] <St0n3-C0l> 470 of 496MB
[01:50] <membreya> and? :D
[01:50] <membreya> 900mb of swap :D
[01:50] <johan2> Dull404: Did you see the link I past erlier?
[01:51] <Dull404> johan2, nope
[01:51] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: LOL
[01:51] <Nermal> membreya, 900 of swap free ?
[01:51] <johan2> Dull404:  from the user from norway?
[01:52] <membreya> Nermal: 900 mb swap space...always about 850 - 900 free :D
[01:52] <Quinn_Storm> mine using kde...mem: 242MB used, 52% free (512MB) but that counts cache as free, and swap:0% used of ~1GB
[01:53] <Nermal> membreya, good
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> mine is 142 out of 242mb and 69mb swap out of 511mb
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> using gnome atm
[01:53] <] BreliC[> anyone here running Ubuntu and then installed the kde-dektop?
[01:53] <Dull404> johan2, 1: install aspell-us
[01:53] <St0n3-C0l> and the usage with same ram goes to 230-240 when I use KDE
[01:53] <] BreliC[> people on #kubuntu aren't talking
[01:53] <Nermal> Mem:   1036200k total,  1021816k used,    14384k free,    46308k buffers
[01:53] <Nermal> Swap:  1148636k total,   158272k used,   990364k free,   433032k cached
[01:53] <johan2> Dull404:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7891.html
[01:53] <Nermal> hmm :|
[01:53] <Nermal> vmware ;)
[01:54] <Choubaka> hm :|
[01:54] <Dull404> johan2, oops.. aspell-en, har du den?
[01:54] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[01:54] <Phreakazoid> my "free" command says something like that, yet the GNOME system monitor says only 300mb is used?
[01:54] <Phreakazoid> lol
[01:54] <Choubaka> Dull404: That rhy,ed :)
[01:54] <Dull404> johan2, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4735.html
[01:55] <membreya> St0n3-C0l: whats the lesson? get more ram :D
[01:55] <Choubaka> swap is completely useless IMO. :)
[01:55] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:55] <St0n3-C0l> u learn a lesson :P
[01:55] <Choubaka> at least with 512 MB or more ram
[01:55] <xfSx> why do i only get 800mb ram assigned to me (as seen when i type free), yet my machine has 2gb ram..
[01:55] <thenuke> in your case I would say
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> GNOME utilize less ram
[01:56] <eruin> whats the point in ram if all of it isn't used?
[01:56] <Nermal> Choubaka, surely my ram posting proves otherwise
[01:56] <eruin> it gets freed up as other apps need it
[01:56] <Phreakazoid> xfSx, try sudo apt-get install linux-686
[01:56] <Phreakazoid> or whatever your architecture
[01:56] <Phreakazoid> and then reboot
[01:56] <Choubaka> Nermal: no, it doesn't.
[01:56] <xfSx> what will that do?
[01:56] <Phreakazoid> for some strange reason the 386 kernels aren't compiled with high memory support
[01:56] <csj> hi,all I read about Ubuntu "Once a stable version is released, no new software updates are accepted", is that mean hoary is now dont updated to the newest version packages?
[01:56] <Choubaka> You're just running some freaky applications
[01:56] <Nermal> Choubaka, or would I just have less cached ?
[01:56] <St0n3-C0l> membreya: Send me money thru Western Union...and i'll :P
[01:56] <goldfish> I'm using 512mb of ram, and the swap monitor has been at 0mb used since i started using linux. It has never once been used.
[01:56] <xfSx> weird
[01:56] <Choubaka> Nermal: yeah.
[01:57] <Phreakazoid> goldfish, I have 1GB of ram, and my swap has 2.8mb used lol
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[01:57] <St0n3-C0l> goldfish: haha
[01:57] <goldfish> Phreakazoid: haha
[01:57] <membreya> xfSx: you need to compile your kernel with high memory support
[01:57] <johan2> Dull404:  aspell-en is installed
[01:57] <goldfish> Weird.
[01:57] <xfSx> ok cool
[01:57] <Dull404> johan2, ok wait...
[01:57] <goldfish> Is swap just used when all of your ram is being used?
[01:57] <Nermal> not quite
[01:57] <goldfish> oh right
[01:57] <Choubaka> eek
[01:58] <Choubaka> I have 300MB of free ram
[01:58] <Nermal> :D
[01:58] <Nermal> s/free/wasted :)
[01:58] <Choubaka> I just booted though.
[01:58] <Phreakazoid> in Windows, programs get swapped out when they aren't visible on screen, even if you have 900MB of free RAM still
[01:58] <Phreakazoid> lol
[01:58] <Nermal> Phreakazoid, aye... .
[01:58] <Choubaka> hah
[01:58] <membreya> otherwise it only recognises 896 mb
[01:58] <Choubaka> no wonder it sucks.
[01:58] <Nermal> xfSx, install the ubuntu i686 kernel
[01:59] <Nermal> that has highmem support
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> the k7 kernel has it too
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> for if you use an AMD AthlonXP
[01:59] <Nermal> yah.. i386 kernel doesn't
[01:59] <bob2> it's usually not worth enabling HIGHMEM for 1gb of ram
[01:59] <xfSx> i686 soundsd good
[01:59] <bob2> or so I hear
[01:59] <xfSx> i have 2gb in total
[01:59] <] BreliC[> well, literally nobody is talking on #kubuntu... maybe someone here can help me
[01:59] <Choubaka> hm
[01:59] <Nermal> bob2, nope.. I spoke to alan cox at our last lug meeting,. it kicks in above 896
[01:59] <membreya> bob2: he has 2gb :)
[01:59] <Choubaka> the ck patch has 1Gb lowmem support
[01:59] <bob2> Nermal: oh, I know
[01:59] <Nermal> :)
[01:59] <] BreliC[> i use gnome anyway, but have the kde-desktop installed..  i just don't like it when supposed updates error out
[01:59] <bob2> Nermal: but it has a speed penalty
[01:59] <Choubaka> so you might want to try compiling your own with that patch
[01:59] <Nermal> ah
[02:00] <bob2> Nermal: so, someone told me the speed penalty made it not worthwhile at only 1gb
[02:00] <] BreliC[> here's the error when updating the kdelibs-data: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6a7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[02:00] <Nermal> interesting
[02:00] <bob2> tho, now I look, the -686 kernels have it enabled anyway
[02:00] <Nermal> ] BreliC[, might have to force that deb through dpkg :|
[02:00] <] BreliC[> Nermal, oh yeah?  will it cause problems?
[02:01] <Phreakazoid> bob2, I have never noticed a difference in speed between HIGHMEM and not HIGHMEM
[02:01] <bob2> Phreakazoid: hm, I've never tried
[02:01] <bob2> I guess the person who toldme that was wron
[02:01] <bob2> g
[02:01] <csj> is any ubuntu official packages can keep update with debian sid? I use ubuntu backport but still older than it.
[02:01] <Dull404> johan2, man aspell, kolla dr
[02:02] <bob2> csj: breezy should stay up to date with sid
[02:02] <Phreakazoid> it could just be such a small difference that it isn't noticeable
[02:02] <Phreakazoid> lol
[02:02] <csj> so that I cant use some debian package any more cause of version conflict
[02:02] <bob2> until freeze, anyway
[02:02] <csj> bob2, oh, thanks you a lot.
[02:03] <Choubaka> csj: what's the point in using ubuntu if you want to track sid? :p
[02:03] <Choubaka> sid'll break things.
[02:03] <Choubaka> and so will hoary.
[02:03] <johan2>  Dull404: libgtkspell vad r det ? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4735.html
[02:03] <Choubaka> big time.
[02:03] <] BreliC[> Nermal, so would dpkg --force-overwrite be the safest bet?
[02:04] <Dull404> johan2, det r lib filen till aspell
[02:04] <bob2> Choubaka: hoary's the current stable release :)
[02:04] <Dull404> johan2, ls "man aspell" du kan ndra dictionary file dr...
[02:04] <Choubaka> err
[02:04] <Dull404> tror jag...
[02:04] <csj> Choubaka: I want to use some 3-part deb packages but it needs the newest dependencies.
[02:04] <Choubaka> bob2: trye
[02:04] <johan2> Dull404: Du skrev " johan2, man aspell, kolla dr " vad menar du?
[02:04] <csj> like  beep-media-player mac plugin.
[02:04] <bob2> "trye"?
[02:04] <Choubaka> I was talking about breezy, of course
[02:04] <bob2> ah
[02:04] <Choubaka> true
[02:04] <Dull404> johan2, jag menade "man aspell"
[02:05] <bob2> ahh
[02:05] <johan2> Dull404: manualen fr aspell?
[02:05] <Dull404> johan2, start a terminal window, and type "man aspell"
[02:05] <Choubaka> Heh :p
[02:05] <Dull404> johan2, yes
[02:05] <Dull404> johan2, "man" is your best friend ;)
[02:06] <Choubaka> Swedish -_-
[02:06] <Choubaka> I'd have commented something on that man thing but I forgot the words.
[02:08] <Dull404> >man please_your_woman
[02:08] <johan2> Dull404: Is it realy have to do with aspell don't you think it is a problem with Gaim?
[02:09] <Quinn_Storm> http://metascape.afraid.org:13666/~quinn/xinerama.jpg
[02:09] <Dull404> johan2, nope, aspell works on top of gaim
[02:09] <Dull404> johan2, aspell is the spell checker for gaim
[02:09] <johan2> Dull404: but the dictionary works in Aby word for example
[02:10] <Dull404> johan2, AbiWord uses Ispell, not aspell... i think.. different spelling engine
[02:10] <Choubaka> aspell and ispell don't work anyway  :P
[02:10] <Choubaka> They fuck up with languages like Finnish
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> Quinn_Storm: LOL whoz that :P
[02:11] <Quinn_Storm> St0n3-C0l: just a pin-up model
[02:11] <snader> yuck
[02:11] <Choubaka> Tell her she just brutally damaged my eyes :|
[02:11] <Quinn_Storm> wtf?
[02:11] <Quinn_Storm> she's very attractive
[02:11] <Amaranth> what did i miss?
[02:11] <St0n3-C0l> really ?
[02:11] <johan2> Dull404: Found this:OpenOffice	(myspell)
[02:11] <johan2> > > - Evolution (gnome-spell -> aspell)
[02:11] <johan2> > > - Mozilla (myspell)
[02:11] <johan2> > > - Abiword (gnome-spell -> aspell)
[02:11] <johan2> >> Gaim (libgtkspell -> aspell)
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> then your Choice is really bad :P
[02:12] <Dull404> johan2, oh.. .hm.... :S kfuc
[02:12] <Dull404> Quinn_Storm, dont like fat girls either
[02:13] <St0n3-C0l> Amaranth: when ur new version will come ?
[02:13] <St0n3-C0l> I think that will solve my prob
[02:13] <Nostromo^> how do i upgrade from hoary preview to the official hoary? or is it done automatically? (i simply keep my system updated for now with the taskbar tool)
[02:13] <Choubaka> yeah
[02:13] <Burgundavia> Nostromo^, it is done automatically
[02:13] <johan2> Dull404:   libgtkspell?   aspell? what is this Im a newbe and don't know that this is?
[02:13] <Nostromo^> alrighty, thanks.
[02:14] <Choubaka> actually, if you've been upgrading lately, you should be running a stable hoary at the very moment .)
[02:14] <Dull404> johan2, aspell is a program... wich uses a library called libgtkspell ... its like a .dll file in windows..... kind of
[02:14] <Nostromo^> also, where is the 'proper' place to get mplayer from? when im using marillat's amd64 packages for some odd reason it fails to work with -ao alsa.. only -ao oss..
[02:14] <mute[] > johan2, it is au dictionnary
[02:15] <Dull404> Nostromo^, build it yourself?
[02:15] <mhale> hi all
[02:15] <Dull404> mplayerhq.hu
[02:15] <Nostromo^> Dull404, nope. just apt-getted the amd64 builds.
[02:15] <Upayavira> I've just done 'free', and it has shown me 885Mb total ram, when I've got 2Gb of RAM. Any ideas?
[02:15] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: use -ao sdl :p
[02:15] <Dull404> Nostromo^, ok, than its "proper" then ;)
[02:15] <Choubaka> -ao alsa is buggy anyway as far as I know
[02:15] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, what's wrong with using alsa directly?
[02:15] <Nostromo^> Dull404, what packages are you using?
[02:16] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: Using it is discouraged in the mplayer manual
[02:16] <Dull404> Nostromo^, hold on...
[02:16] <Choubaka> last time I checked at least.
[02:16] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, really? i wonder what's the reason for that discouragement. seems perfectly logical to me to use alsa..
[02:16] <johan2> Choubaka: sorry I didn't see your message
[02:17] <mhale> quick question: i have a laptop running ubuntu, and the default install runs raid and lvm stuff when the machine boots up. is it possible to tell the installer to not put them in?
[02:17] <Dull404> Nostromo^, mplayer 586 or 386 ... i dont have a 64bit processor
[02:17] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: They say in the manual that it's buggy.
[02:18] <Choubaka> and indeed *I* have noticed latencies using the alsa driver.
[02:18] <Moe|Joe|c> hi
[02:19] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, From my limited knowledge of the linux sound system, im pretty sure that using SDL generally means using alsa anyways.
[02:19] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: yeah.
[02:19] <Nostromo^> just like -ao oss uses alsa.
[02:19] <Moe|Joe|c> got problem with Ubuntu Hoary on my laptop
[02:19] <Choubaka> But they say mplayer's alsa driver is buggy
[02:19] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, so what you're saying makes little sense. it just means that mplayer may be alsa-buggy, not alsa itself.
[02:19] <Nostromo^> :)
[02:19] <Choubaka> while the sdl driver isn't
[02:19] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: That's what I'm telling you. :p
[02:19] <Moe|Joe|c> can anyone help me?
[02:20] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, sorry, i assumed you were saying that the mplayer guys are saying that alsa itself is buggy :)
[02:20] <johan2> Is it a forum IRC for swedish ubuntu users?
[02:20] <Nostromo^> oh well. im trying to use sdl and it doesn't work :(
[02:20] <kent> 3 updates in Hoary today..  haha, its kde and i dont even run it, just installed it once..  :)
[02:20] <ztonzy> johan2, yes...  #ubuntu.se
[02:21] <Nostromo^> [AO SDL]  Unable to open audio: No available audio device
[02:21] <Choubaka> do you have libsdl1.2debian-alsa installed?
[02:21] <Nostromo^> does SDL need a free /dev/dsp?
[02:21] <Choubaka> no
[02:21] <Choubaka> sdl can use alsa, arts, esd, nas, jack or oss.
[02:21] <Choubaka> depending on your configuration.
[02:21] <Nostromo^> ok, so what do i apt-get to get sdl support?
[02:21] <] BreliC[> kent, i also never used it but installed kde-desktop.  anyway, the updates contain an error and don't install properly
[02:22] <] BreliC[> go figure
[02:22] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: what I said.
[02:22] <Nostromo^> ahh :)
[02:22] <Nostromo^> ok, apt-getting.. thanks :)
[02:22] <Nostromo^> argh.
[02:22] <kent> ] BreliC[:  oh. strange.. i just saw them install perfectly with the update-manager..
[02:22] <ztonzy> kent, I use it with K3b  :)
[02:23] <Dull404> johan2, sudo apt-get install aspell-en, och sudo apt-get install aspell ... testa det
[02:23] <kent> ztonzy: I use graveman and gnomebaker to burn CDs.  (And also there is coaster-packages for Hoary now, though it only burns data and i have not tested it yet)
[02:23] <xfSx> damn samba keeps asking me for a password when i try access a share, and guest/nopassword doesn't work
[02:23] <] BreliC[> kent, really?  mine errored out on the kdelibs-data and some other people on #kubuntu are reporting the same problem
[02:23] <Quinn_Storm> hey, in the ubuntu default gaim...is there some reason why spell-checking seems to not be working?
[02:23] <ztonzy> kent, hmm...are they any good :P ?
[02:24] <chicken_man> how do i dual boot with windows 98 ??
[02:24] <Nostromo^> ok this is weird. ocne i killed esd that was using /dev/dsp, sdl worked.
[02:24] <Choubaka> well, of course :p
[02:24] <Choubaka> esd is a sound daemon
[02:24] <Choubaka> you can have sdl using esd too
[02:24] <kent> ztonzy: graveman works very well for me. Though i only burn data CDs and audio-cds.  I dont have a dvd-burner, so i cant test that
[02:24] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, i know, but if i installed an sdl version that uses alsa, it shouldn't matter that some legacy app is using /dev/dsp
[02:24] <ztonzy> kent, hehe me neither...but soon I Will get a DVD-RW
[02:25] <chicken_man> how do i dual boot with windows 98 need help !
[02:25] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: it does matter.
[02:25] <Dull404> K3B is great for cd/dvd burning
[02:25] <Choubaka> because by using /dev/dsp, esd locks all of alsa.
[02:25] <Choubaka> because alsa has to emulate OSS
[02:25] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, afaik, alsa will simply mix /dev/dsp along with every other channel.
[02:25] <Quinn_Storm> did they take the spell-checking out of gaim?
[02:25] <Choubaka> it won't
[02:25] <kent> ] BreliC[: One solution is to just delete the conflicting package(s). You said something about kdenetwork? Its not a great solution, but it might work. Since after that package is gone, apt will try to install the new one.. and then you should have no conflict.. i think
[02:25] <chicken_man> how do i dual boot ubuntu and windows 98 please help
[02:26] <Choubaka> esd is a sound daemon.
[02:26] <Choubaka> that is
[02:26] <Dull404> Quinn_Storm, nope mine is working... we are trying to change language
[02:26] <Choubaka> bubblegum to make you able to play sound in multiple applications at the same time
[02:26] <chicken_man> help please!
[02:26] <Quinn_Storm> Dull404: ok, which version? hoary or breezy?
[02:26] <lenovo> chicken_man:let me try.
[02:26] <Dull404> Quinn_Storm, hoary
[02:26] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, i know what is it, i just assumed that a process using /dev/dsp doesn't mean that you can't use alsa directly at the same time.
[02:26] <Quinn_Storm> Dull404: ok, I'm on breezy
[02:26] <Quinn_Storm> Dull404: if it comes to it I can just recompile gaim myself
[02:26] <chicken_man> :\
[02:27] <Markrian> Nostromo^, you can make esd use ALSA
[02:27] <ztonzy> kent, installed graveman...no where in menus...hmm ?
[02:27] <johan2>  ztonzy: I didn't belive so thanks will try the chanel
[02:27] <Choubaka> best not use esd at all
[02:27] <kent> ztonzy: tillbehr
[02:27] <lenovo> have you installed ubuntu?
[02:27] <ztonzy> johan2, :)
[02:27] <Choubaka> it causes latencies.
[02:27] <ztonzy> kent, will check
[02:27] <Choubaka> and is prone to causing instability.
[02:27] <chicken_man> im using ubuntu
[02:27] <Nostromo^> well i don't need esd anyways.
[02:27] <ztonzy> kent, ah..no icon
[02:27] <] BreliC[> kent, hmm, could work.  i guess i'll just wait and hopefully it will be fixed because others are reporting the same problem
[02:27] <Nostromo^> don't care about gnome sounds.
[02:28] <xfSx> yesh esd does cause delays when changing volume and so on
[02:28] <kent> ztonzy: if you dont mind using non-free applications you can also download nero for linux from bittorrents etc.. but i see no point in doing that since graveman etc works well.
[02:28] <kent> ztonzy: strange, I have an icon for it.. :)
[02:28] <lenovo> chicken_man:you mean you want to install win98 now?
[02:28] <ztonzy> kent, I have heard of nero yes...will not..thanks anyway
[02:28] <kent> ztonzy: perhaps I downloaded it from gravemans own homepage.. dont remember :)
[02:28] <ztonzy> kent, seems it will be updated when until log in entry next time
[02:28] <Nostromo^> so wait everyone.. i was mistaken here? open()ing /dev/dsp by some legacy process renders alsa unaccessible for alsa processes?
[02:28] <chicken_man> lenovo, i will reformat disk and reinstall windows 98 and ubuntu but i want the to dual boot
[02:28] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: yes.
[02:29] <ztonzy> kent, looks fit gnome gui a excellent...looks simple still easy
[02:29] <Choubaka> because alsa has to emulate /dev/dsp
[02:29] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, weeird. ok. thanks for the correction.
[02:29] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, we've been through that, i know :) i just assumed it emulated it and simply treated it as just one sound channel it needs to mix with the rest.
[02:29] <Choubaka> if course, with a proper sound card it'll work
[02:29] <Nostromo^> eh?
[02:29] <lenovo> chicken_man:ok, I have done it.
[02:30] <Choubaka> Nostromo^: a proper sound card will do hardware mixing
[02:30] <kent> the other application "gnomebaker" have an interface that looks a lot like nero if you like that sort of interface better. I prefer gnomebaker since that was the program I started using, so I have had no reason to try gnomebaker that much..
[02:30] <Nostromo^> Choubaka, yes i know that, but that's driver-level. alsa can do software mixing as well.
[02:30] <Choubaka> yeah
[02:30] <Choubaka> but it doesn't by default
[02:30] <Nostromo^> the question of hardware/software shouldn't matter to the simple question: can you open /dev/dsp and play other alsa sounds along with it or not.
[02:30] <chicken_man> lenovo, how do i do it ?
[02:30] <Choubaka> and the oss emulation doesn't work with the dmix plugin
[02:31] <Nostromo^> ahhhh
[02:31] <Nostromo^> NOW i gotchya :)
[02:31] <lenovo> chicken_man:first, you need del you all partition if possible, then part a partition given 98 , leave enough space give ubuntu.
[02:31] <Nostromo^> btw are there nforce4 drivers for alsa already?
[02:31] <chicken_man> lenovo, yes i know that
[02:31] <lenovo> chicken_man: do you have the install cd?
[02:31] <Nostromo^> hmm wait, nvidia has nforce4 drivers in their site anyways. i'll just use that.
[02:32] <chicken_man> lenovo, windows 98 and ubuntu "warty"
[02:32] <Nostromo^> so Choubaka, how do i see which mixer plugin is currently in use, and how do i change it to my hardware one?
[02:33] <lenovo> chicken_man:It is not problem, but I use hoary. when install grub, it can auto scan the disk, and auto add the 98 boot to the menu.lst.
[02:34] <chicken_man> lenovo, so a make a partition for windows with what mount point ? and a partition for ubuntu at what mount point ?
[02:36] <lenovo> chicken_man: you mean in ubuntu mount the windows partition? or see ubuntu partition in windows?
[02:37] <lenovo> chicken_man:mine is  windows in /dev/hda1, then ubuntu in /dev/hda2 / , /dev/hda5 swap.
[02:37] <chicken_man> lenovo, what ehhh tell me how to do it step by step or ill get lost lol
[02:37] <Quinn_Storm> yeah it looks like the breezy version of gaim 1.2.1 was built with gtkspell disabled
[02:38] <lenovo> chicken_man: where do you want to start?
[02:38] <chicken_man> lenovo, first diskformat and remove all partitions from there
[02:39] <seeker_> I need help getting my webcam to work. as far as I know there is no driver for linux (at least not an official one from the manufacturer). and when I run gnomeeting the webcam isn't recognized.
[02:39] <seeker_> I have a genius VideoCam web
[02:39] <petemc> seeker_: you need to know the chipset it uses, look ay /proc/bus/usb/devices
[02:40] <Chameleon22> what package do i need to get all the extra keys working on logitech multimedia keyboard  (elite model)
[02:40] <chicken_man> ?
[02:41] <seeker_> petemc: what am I looking for there?
[02:41] <preglow> is it possible to run breezy yet?
[02:41] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, you can map them with the admin-->prefs->keyboard shortcuts
[02:41] <Burgundavia> preglow, yes, but not recommended
[02:41] <Dull404> preglow, what's wrong with hoary?
[02:42] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: will try thanks
[02:42] <Quinn_Storm> preglow: yeah but with a few glitches..you'll need to pin your evolution files to the hoary versions and if you use kde, you'll have to pin vim to its hoary version
[02:42] <preglow> i want a newer gcc
[02:42] <Burgundavia> preglow, wait until mid may
[02:42] <preglow> but that's probably not in yet anyway
[02:42] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: admin? there is no admin menu
[02:42] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, sorry system-->prefs
[02:42] <Burgundavia> preglow, I think they are already building with 4.0
[02:42] <Dull404> preglow, build it yourself then...
[02:43] <Quinn_Storm> ah, I found out why gaim isn't compiled with spellchecking turned on...libaspell hasn't caught up with the new gcc yet
[02:43] <Quinn_Storm> and yeah a newer gcc is in, 4.0
[02:43] <Quinn_Storm> gcc version 4.0.0 20050413 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0-0pre11)
[02:43] <preglow> gcc4 final is due any moment
[02:43] <preglow> but yeah, i'll wait a bit anyway
[02:43] <Quinn_Storm> I'm running breezy (obviously)
[02:43] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: there is no preferences under system lol
[02:43] <preglow> besides, feels strange not having fifty new upgrades every day ;)
[02:44] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, ah, you are running hoary?
[02:44] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: correct
[02:44] <petemc> seeker_: the chipset of your camera, which will allow to to determine what v4l driver you need
[02:45] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, left most menu should be system with submenu of preferences
[02:45] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: did i mention i use KUbuntu
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, oh, try #kubuntu
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, we use gnome around here
[02:46] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: i have those guys are morons....
[02:46] <seeker_> petemc: I don't see anything like that. can you explain what I'm looking for please?
[02:46] <BurgisDaCrunkMas> Chameleon22, please don't say that, and they are your best help
[02:46] <petemc> seeker_: read a v4l linux how to, or check the wiki to see if anyones posted any guides on webcams
[02:47] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: well that channel handballs everyone into here
[02:47] <Burgundavia> Chameleon22, they shouldn't if you say you are using Kubuntu
[02:48] <Chameleon22> Burgundavia: well, there you go
[02:50] <jude> hi
[02:51] <jude> can anyone help me with a problem compiling qt apps?
[02:53] <Shachaf> I'm having problems setting up PHPWiki. My PHPWiki (called "hintiki") keeps linkg to http://localhosthintiki/hintiki?pagename=xyzzy instead of http://localhost/hintiki?pagename=xyzyy. Has anyone else had a similiar problem, and if so, how did they solve it?
[02:58] <Quinn_Storm> ahh, I figured it out...libaspell doesn't link against libstdc++ but it should...b/c its a c++ library...I think I can force gaim to compile/link if I use g++ instead of gcc for the step where it links libaspell
[02:59] <Amaranth> i don't even want to check it...
[02:59] <gomez> Hi to everyone
[02:59] <gomez> I got a problem
[03:00] <seeker_> when trying to run xawtv I get the device doesn't exit error. the site says "The device doesn't exist.  Means there is no driver module for the hardware loaded yet.  Fix your hardware setup." how am I supposed to fix my hardware setup?
[03:00] <gomez> Are there any boot/install floppies available for Hoary?
[03:00] <Nermal> seeker_, make sure the driver is loaded and xawtv is looking at the right device I guess
[03:01] <gomez> I have a Dell Workstation with no CD boot option and need to install Hoary on it to keep my wife quiet:)
[03:01] <seeker_> I don't have a driver.
[03:01] <petemc> you read the v4l stuff pretty quickly
[03:01] <jude> gomez: all you need is a generic boot disc to transfer control to the CD, not ubuntu-specific - try googling
[03:02] <seeker_> there wan't much to read. (at least I din't find a lot to read)
[03:03] <gomez> jude: Thanks
[03:03] <bourrin> hi
[03:03] <seeker_> petemc: can you give me a link to something a bit more useful? what I found was just one page on linuxquestion.org
[03:04] <guruff> could anyone help me please; xterm crashes with error: xterm: Could not exec c: No such a file or Directory;
[03:04] <seeker_> (some other stuff as well but less usefull)
[03:04] <Dull404> wich version of Mplayer is the most stable? mplayer-386 or -586 ?
[03:04] <petemc> seeker_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras/view?searchterm=webcam
[03:05] <bourrin> someone could help me please ? it's about aMule
[03:05] <petemc> seeker_: i dont know what you were looking at before, but googling for "v4l" yields many results
[03:05] <seeker_> petemc: that page is no good. my model isn't there
[03:05] <petemc> seeker_: model, or chipset?
[03:05] <seeker_> most of the links are useless (no substantial data in them)
[03:05] <seeker_> genius videocam web
[03:06] <petemc> seeker_: and the chip inside that is...?
[03:06] <seeker_>  uses the ZC0301 chip
[03:06] <seeker_> is that what you mean?
[03:06] <petemc> i guess, ive never heard of that
[03:07] <petemc> seeker_: you got that info from /proc/bus/usb/devices
[03:07] <petemc> ?
[03:08] <seeker_> no, from http://genius-europe.com/service/faq/tuxcam.htm
[03:09] <seeker_> whats a cvs?
[03:11] <dockane> how do i shutdown the xserver ?
[03:11] <PacoBCN> dockane, ctl+alt+backspace
[03:12] <dockane> PacoBCN, no thats a restart. i think i would like to change te runlevel
[03:12] <dockane> nvidia installe wants me to end the xserver for installation
[03:12] <PacoBCN> yes, if you don't want to have x running at all
[03:12] <PacoBCN> oh, I see, for compiling it against the kernel
[03:12] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: /etc/init.d/gdm stop and then make sure X is shut down
[03:13] <jude> can anyone help me with a problem compiling qt apps?
[03:13] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, thnx
[03:14] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, returns : "gdm is already running. abortion.
[03:14] <seeker_> can some explain what a cvs access is?
[03:14] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: you typed it wrong.  "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" is what you have to run
[03:14] <] BreliC[> dockane, 'init 3'
[03:15] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, why does that make a difference ?
[03:15] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: yes it makes -all- the difference wether you put "stop" after it or not
[03:16] <stazz> aarr. how can one adjust vim's auto-indent-depht?
[03:16] <petemc> seeker_: looking that page, theres a chance your camera isnt supported
[03:17] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, i changed to /etc/int.d/ and entered "sudo gdm stop".
[03:17] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: that won't work
[03:17] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:17] <flyingsquirrel54> where can I find directions to setup evolution groupware to work with my ms exchange server (which is not running mapi or pop3)
[03:17] <seeker_> petemc: why not? it's starred
[03:17] <bassMonkey> How could I make xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" run at gnome startup?
[03:17] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: you have to put the whole path
[03:17] <petemc> seeker_: you sure you have v2 then?
[03:17] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: do I know you?
[03:17] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: from jabber?
[03:18] <MrNonchalant> can anyone tell me how to set up Evolution to access the mail in /var/mail?
[03:18] <seeker_> pretty sure.
[03:18] <Quinn_Storm> usynic: are you the jbother synic?
[03:18] <petemc> seeker_: how?
[03:18] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: I am.
[03:18] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, looks like i terribly misunderstood something in the topic file hirarchy *?*
[03:18] <Quinn_Storm> usynic: then you know me
[03:18] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: ok :)
[03:18] <seeker_> the instruction booklet says V2, but then again, it might just be out of date. how can I be sure?
[03:19] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: you are trying to run a program in /etc/init.d/ and . is not in $PATH and when a shell executes something it looks in $PATH, starting with the first entry, so it finds /usr/bin/gdm instead of /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:19] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: nice to see you're a ubuntu user too :)
[03:19] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: yeh, one sec.
[03:19] <Quinn_Storm> usynic: yeah, technically kubuntu, heh
[03:20] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, ah perfect awnser. thanks for the explanation
[03:20] <petemc> seeker_: tough one, they both have same ids
[03:20] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: sure
[03:20] <seeker_> petemc: the installation cd says v4. damm, how can I tell which is which?
[03:20] <usynic> Quinn_Storm: ah, not a gnome fan then?  We probably had this conversation already.
[03:20] <harsha_> k
[03:20] <Quinn_Storm> usynic: probably, and yeah not a big gnome fan...gaim is my only gtk/gnomish app
[03:20] <flyingsquirrel54> go to tools>settings and click add
[03:20] <Quinn_Storm> usynic: well that and gnome-mud
[03:21] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: k
[03:21] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: click foward and put in your address then foward again
[03:21] <harsha_> HHHHHHH
[03:22] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: for server type pick Standard Unix mbox spool or directory
[03:22] <dockane> should i backup any config files or something else for desaster recovery before i start the nvidia installer ?
[03:22] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: then it asks you for the directory and the rest should be obvious
[03:22] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: path? /var/mail or /var/mail/user?
[03:23] <harsha_> i am new to kubuntu
[03:23] <harsha_> i am new to IRC too
[03:23] <harsha_> this is my first login
[03:24] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: To be honest I've never done it, I just happened to be working on setting up my own account, I would try the default and if it doesnt work use just /var/mail
[03:24] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: k
[03:24] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: besides, If you have received mail just figure out where it is
[03:24] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: let me know if it works
[03:25] <stazz> Anyone know how to adjust vim's indent depth?
[03:25] <GNAM> GCC 4.0.0 OUT!
[03:25] <GNAM> ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/gcc-4.0.0/gcc-4.0.0.tar.bz2
[03:25] <seeker_> petemc: how do I install the driver? I always used synaptic, never installed anything manually...
[03:26] <petemc> seeker_: synaptic installs packages, you need to add kernel modules, they arent the same
[03:26] <seeker_> ok. so how do I do that?
[03:26] <petemc> seeker_: that page that mentions your camera has documentation, you need to read it, twice
[03:27] <PacoBCN> hey, guys anyone here is a Direct COnnect user?
[03:28] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: it worked. I tried /var/mail and /var/mail/user, one of the two must of worked because I received the mail
[03:29] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: not sure which, because I was expecting it to be in the same inbox as the other accounts
[03:29] <IceEyz> anyone knows how to get rid of default emblems, like the yellow arrows on icons that are symbolic links or mounted devices?
[03:30] <adamh> php4 doesn't seem to be compiled with the "zip" extension on ubuntu. Is there any way to get it (without recompiling)?
[03:30] <Quinn_Storm> adamh: I don't think so unfortunately
[03:30] <adamh> It's not just me, right? I'm not crazy?
[03:30] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: If you go back to tools settings, you can change the account names, then you will be able to see more clearly which has the mail
[03:33] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: I'm not sure I understand you. My pop mailboxes are in one section, maildir in another each with their own set of folders. I wasn't expecting that, so I missed which worked /var/mail or /var/mail/user.
[03:33] <ringmauer> hi, do any of you guys know what i should write in shell to delete a folder?
[03:33] <adamh> ringmauer: rm -rf [folder]
[03:34] <Marko01>  rm -rf
[03:34] <zax123> Hi guys.  I just installed PHP4/Apache2 on an Ubuntu system for the first time.  I'm moving from Debian.  I noticed that PHP4 on Ubuntu doesn't have zip support compiled in.  Any reason for this?  Anyway to get it back without compiling PHP from source?
[03:34] <ringmauer> tnx adamh
[03:34] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: I just tried it. here's how it works (its pretty smart; this is all new to me too.)
[03:34] <adamh> ringmauer: Don't type the wrong folder name, and don't put spaces, or you'll break things badly :)
[03:34] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant:the one where we used /var/mail shows subfolders for each user on the system whereas the one where we put /var/mail/user only has that users mail
[03:35] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: Of course you're probably the only user on the machine
[03:35] <ringmauer> :-D.. no problem, the folder is already gone :-D
[03:36] <flyingsquirrel54> notice that for each account you added, another bold line appears with its own junk and trash folders
[03:36] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: understand what I'm saying?
[03:37] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: looks like /var/mail/user is the more correct way of doing it, although both work
[03:37] <nydust> what is the commando for consol based synaptic?
[03:38] <Ocid> nydust: apt-get
[03:38] <Ocid> or aptitude
[03:38] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: I gotcha.
[03:38] <nydust> Ocid, thanks
[03:38] <bad_mongo> how do I mount my iPod in ubuntu?
[03:38] <MrNonchalant> flyingsquirrel54: Neat.
[03:39] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: i think so too :-)
[03:39] <ringmauer> does anybody know a good msn messenger prog for ubuntu?
[03:39] <flyingsquirrel54> MrNonchalant: we both learned this time
[03:39] <bad_mongo> ringmauer: gaim!
[03:39] <goo> ringmauer: gaim is good, i suppose. That's what I use for MSN anyways
[03:39] <ringmauer> okej, is it hard to install?
[03:40] <ringmauer> im a beginner on linux with just 2 days experience
[03:40] <Ocid> sudo apt-get install gaim
[03:40] <goo> ringmauer: no, just search for it in the synaptic package anager
[03:40] <goo> ringmauer: System->Administration
[03:40] <ringmauer> where do i find synaptic pm?
[03:40] <ringmauer> you were faster
[03:40] <ringmauer> tnx
[03:40] <goo> np
[03:41] <flyingsquirrel54> ringmauer it should already be installed Applications >Internet>Gaim Internet messenger
[03:41] <jude> can anyone help me with a problem compiling qt apps?
[03:42] <ringmauer> it was allready installed, can it be easier, I JUST LOVE LINUX
[03:42] <MrNonchalant> don't we all
[03:43] <Bazzi> I don't
[03:43] <flyingsquirrel54> ringmauer I JUST LOVE UBUNTU !;-)     Ubuntu is the one that installed it by default
[03:43] <MrNonchalant> Bazzi: spoil sport
[03:44] <flyingsquirrel54> I still need help Connecting evolution to a m$ exchange server:'-(
[03:45] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: do you have access to exchange web client?
[03:45] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: owa that is
[03:45] <ringmauer> when im trying to mess someone in my buddy list gaim says Message could not be sent because an error with the switchboard occurred:
[03:46] <flyingsquirrel54> yeah, I think so, I'd have to get the details, but yes I'm pretty sure, just never use it
[03:46] <IceEyz> anyone knows how to lose the annoying default emblems on symlinks and mounted devices?
[03:46] <Myrtti> would anyone have some insight on how to make sodipodi output stuff as pdf?
[03:46] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: you need to fill in the owa addy in evolution
[03:46] <jubei> how do i apply kernel patches, i'm in /usr/src/linux-patches/i386/2.6.10 and I see apply  debian  unpatch
[03:46] <jubei> ?
[03:47] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: ??? owa addy  what??
[03:47] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: heh
[03:47] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: the address of the outlook web access http://mail.something.tld
[03:48] <flyingsquirrel54> what sort of server do I choose in the drop-down box?
[03:48] <Ocid> exchange
[03:49] <john___> Hello
[03:49] <ups> IceEyz, tried right clicking on the file and checking Properties?
[03:49] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: then I put the owa in the server field?
[03:50] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: yep
[03:50] <flyingsquirrel54> Thanks I'll try that
[03:52] <ringmauer> is there any .wma plugin for rythmbox?
[03:54] <ringmauer>  is there any .wma plugin for rythmbox?
[03:55] <[Johnny] > grub will not install on my pc plz is there something to change to lilo?
[03:55] <synd> how do i mount a nikon camera?
[03:55] <synd> digital camera*
[03:55] <synd> ?
[03:56] <goo> ringmauer: use mplayer for wma's  Make sure to install the package w32codes  first
[03:56] <synd> anyone?
[03:56] <goo> ringmauer: Take a look in the wiki for how to get w32codecs
[03:56] <ringmauer> but i have mp3 and wma mixed, do you know any mp3 player that supports both and can handle a 6000 song playlist
[03:57] <Shufla> hello
[03:57] <goo> ringmauer: nope. I have made sure to NOT encode any music into wma. I am not sure wether or not mplayer plays wma's with DRM either.
[03:58] <goo> synd: what model Nikon camera?
[03:58] <synd> goo: 3200
[03:58] <synd> goo: i also have a sandisk multiformat card reader that i could use also..
[03:59] <[Johnny] > Plz help how can I use lilo instead of Grub, because grub isn t able to install on my machine
[03:59] <goo> synd: the card reader would be a very sure bet, it should pop up an icon on your desktop where you may access your photos
[04:00] <synd> goo: ok, ill try that out
[04:00] <goo> synd: the Nikon 3200 is supported by gphoto2 in PTP mode, so it should probably show up on the desktop as an icon as well(but I am not sure :)
[04:01] <synd> goo: well.. i just hooked up the card reader and it lit up.. but im not seeing anything on the desktop
[04:01] <synd> goo: same with the 3200
[04:02] <synd> goo: im running hoary
[04:03] <goo> synd: yeah, me too. I just plugged in my ixus, and i had to use gtkam to access it
[04:03] <makkia> hello
[04:04] <makkia> where i find a repository for linphone 1.0 ?
[04:04] <makkia> in hoary is 0.12
[04:04] <synd> goo: should i try gtkam? and how do i do that..
[04:04] <goo> synd: have you been to System->Preferences->Removable Drives And Media->Multimedia ?
[04:04] <synd> goo: trying that
[04:04] <goo> synd: if gtkam is installed just type gtkcam in a terminal window
[04:05] <goo> gtcam in terminal, sorry
[04:05] <goo> arr! gtkam. gah.
[04:05] <goo> my bad.
[04:05] <synd> haha.
[04:05] <synd> goo: i went into System->Preferences->Removable Drives And Media->Multimedia
[04:06] <goo> synd: it says something about automagically running import of images there
[04:07] <goo> synd: and I guess you didn't have the program gnome-volume-manager running in your gnome-session before you opened the Removable Drives And Media dialogue. Try replugging stuff now
[04:07] <synd> goo: well it was all enabled
[04:08] <synd> goo: when i went in there
[04:08] <Fade> I'm trying to boot a powerbook using the hoary ppc iso, but the image doesn't seem bootable. Is it a known problem?
[04:08] <synd> Fade: check the md5 ?
[04:09] <goo> synd: did anything happen when replugging the camera or the sandisk reader?
[04:09] <Fade> Yeah, it's good.
[04:09] <Fade> I've downloaded it twice just to be sure.
[04:09] <synd> goo: nothing happened with either
[04:10] <Fade> on a related but interesting note, I moved the machine from debian/sid to ubuntu/hoary inline by doing a dist-upgrade, and apart from having to manually force a couple of things, it went well.
[04:11] <goo> synd: just to be really sure: run this command in console:   ps aux | grep gnome-volume-manager  | grep -v grep
[04:11] <dockane> i would like to install the adequate driver for my video card (nVidia Corporation NV10GL [Quadro] ). is http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver my howto ?
[04:11] <Fade> ps aux | grep [g] noe-volume-manager
[04:11] <Fade> will exclude grep from the output. ;)
[04:12] <goldfish> hehe
[04:12] <goo> Fade: you clever man ;)
[04:12] <goo> Fade: but grep -v grep is way moore confusing :)
[04:12] <Fade> it's a nice trick for when your pipeline is already too bloody long. ;)
[04:13] <Fade> so, anybody else experiencing bootage issues /w ubuntu/ppc?
[04:14] <Ocid> dockane: yeah that howto should cover Quadro also
[04:14] <jubei> How do I apply the Debian kernel patches?
[04:14] <Burgundavia> dockane, better to use www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[04:16] <dockane> Ocid, Burgundavia thnx
[04:17] <Moe|Joe|c> hi
[04:18] <Moe|Joe|c> ive got the same problem as this post on the forum...
[04:18] <Moe|Joe|c> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27724
[04:19] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: You still there? this isn't working...
[04:19] <Fade> Moe|Joe|c: try switching to a virtual console and logging in?
[04:19] <Moe|Joe|c> hmm
[04:20] <Moe|Joe|c> then activate gnome?
[04:20] <bretzel> XF86VidModeQueryVersion among others routines: missing in x-dev pkgs!!!! cannot link and can't find any refs in X11 related header files!. ....
[04:20] <Fade> then you can look at the ~moe/.xsession-errors file
[04:20] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: can you athenticate with the owa?
[04:21] <Ocid> authenticate*
[04:21] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: the address to owa is http://dgexchange03/exchange/jmartin. do I put all of this in the server field?
[04:21] <Ocid> nope
[04:21] <Ocid> just  http://dgexchange03
[04:22] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: Says could not connect to server http: Could not resolve hostname
[04:23] <Ocid> can you get to that address with browser?
[04:23] <] BreliC[> man, i can't get over how slllllllllooooooooowwwwwwwwwww my SuSE desktop box is w/KDE
[04:23] <] BreliC[> Ubuntu and Gnome is soooooooo much quicker
[04:24] <] BreliC[> KDE is just getting bloated
[04:25] <UbuntuGet> good words ] BreliC[ :)
[04:25] <] BreliC[> UbuntuGet, hehe, thanks
[04:25] <Foodcoman> KDE 3.4 was snappy on Ubunutu compared with Mandrake!
[04:25] <wezzer> KDE is bloat
[04:25] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: it works fine from mozilla
[04:26] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: try the FQDN name in evolution
[04:27] <Ocid> and the username should be like DOMAIN\jmartin
[04:28] <synd> ohh
[04:28] <synd> hmm
[04:28] <synd> goo: you still here?
[04:29] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: Error while Scanning folders in "Exchange server dgexchange03.dglaw.com".  Could not connect to Evolution Exchange backend process: No such file or directory
[04:29] <computerguy867> does anyone know how to get midi playback working so the use of solfege and rosegarden is possible?
[04:30] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: wow, that's out of my expertize, have no idea what that means
[04:30] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: might be that evolution only works with exchange 2003
[04:31] <flyingsquirrel54> Anyone know of a good OS program to create ISO's from CD's that will work on Win?
[04:31] <synd> ok.. how do i mount a nikon coolpix 3200?
[04:31] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: it is 2003
[04:31] <computerguy867> all i read on the ubuntu forums are posts of failure when it comes to midi
[04:31] <dockane> flyingsquirrel54, ircc k3b is nice bruning program
[04:31] <comforteagle> Does anyone running Ubuntu on an iBook find the resolution or size of windows a bit too large?
[04:32] <synd> comforteagle: what model iBook?
[04:32] <dockane> comforteagle, which resolution do you use ?
[04:32] <comforteagle> synd, g4
[04:32] <synd> comforteagle: well i know hardware-wise the max resolution is 1024x768
[04:32] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: hmz, cannot check now, don't have any exchange servers here at home
[04:32] <comforteagle> dockane, synd at 1024,768
[04:32] <synd> comforteagle: i have an iBook G4 myself, but i dont run ubuntu on it
[04:33] <comforteagle> hmm
[04:33] <comforteagle> Is there another way to shrink the size of everything a bit?
[04:33] <dockane> comforteagle, don't know if your modell capable of a higher resolution.
[04:34] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/connector/2004-September/000395.html
[04:34] <comforteagle> dockane, its at the max res.
[04:34] <synd> comforteagle: i have it running at 1024x768 on this laptop im on now and it doesnt really seem too bad.. but it is a lot different than my desktop that i have running at 1600x1200
[04:34] <synd> comforteagle: are you in gnome?
[04:34] <comforteagle> synd, yes
[04:34] <Somebody> Hello, I can't seem to be able to play .mid. With what can I play .mid files with?
[04:35] <icebalm> hmm, is breezy open yet
[04:35] <mjr> Somebody, timidity
[04:35] <synd> comforteagle: have you tried using xfce or fluxbox? those seem a bit smaller than gnome
[04:35] <dockane> comforteagle, then i cant help you sorry. had a problem on my thinkpad with the 640 resolution which wouldnt change to higher resolutions untill i changed the  display frequency in some xserver conf file
[04:35] <comforteagle> synd, no on ubuntu.
[04:36] <comforteagle> is xfce installed by default?  I didn't notice.
[04:36] <goldfish> comforteagle: nope
[04:36] <goldfish> get it though :)
[04:36] <synd> comforteagle: no, apt-get it
[04:36] <goldfish> xfce4 is sweet.
[04:36] <synd> comforteagle: i actually like it a lot better than gnome.. plus its a bit faster than gnome imho
[04:37] <comforteagle> synd, I do too... I run it on my tower.
[04:38] <synd> comforteagle: i see
[04:38] <Signuts> Hey guys, what's the differences with gentoo vs ubuntu, i'm really sick of jump through emerge hoops.
[04:38] <Fade> ubuntu is based on debian, and distributes binary packages as the main package format.
[04:38] <icebalm> Signuts: please don't start distro wars, try them out yourself, see what the differences are
[04:39] <jordanau> Signuts, well i have been running ubuntu succesfully for 2 moths now and have never even heard of an emerge hoop if that helps
[04:39] <Fade> ie. you don't have to compile anything
[04:39] <Fade> ymmv
[04:39] <Signuts> i'm not sorry for asking
[04:39] <jordanau> icebalm, what???
[04:39] <dockane> does anybody know a benchmark to compare results with other systems ?
[04:39] <jordanau> Signuts, that was a normal question
[04:39] <synd> ugh id really like to know how to get this nikon camera mounted
[04:39] <synd> anyone help?
[04:40] <jordanau> does gfoto support it?
[04:40] <dockane> synd, nope sorry. never tried to mount my nikonf f3 hp ;)
[04:40] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid: No such file or dir
[04:41] <jordanau> Signuts, you are saying you want to switch to ubuntu from gentoo?
[04:41] <Signuts> jordanau, not yet, questioning it.
[04:41] <samiam> does anyone have an idea what the name of the graphical package manager is that has been displayed in the screenshots for hoary and is supposed to be synaptic
[04:41] <jordanau> Signuts, thats what i thought, you were in no way starting a war
[04:41] <samiam> either I have the wrong version of its a different program
[04:41] <synd> goo: you here?
[04:41] <Ocid> flyingsquirrel54: where, on my link? just google for that error
[04:41] <Fade> signuts -- my amd64 box is a gentoo machine, because when I bought it, that was the best option.
[04:42] <icebalm> jordanau: asking differences between two distribs is a good way to start a war
[04:42] <Fade> I still prefer the debian way of package management.
[04:42] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid:  no sorry, on that page it says to run a command in the terminal.
[04:43] <flyingsquirrel54> Ocid:  the try this...
[04:43] <nad> #
[04:43] <nad>     /msg nickserv set email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:43] <Signuts> well luckily i have a spare box to try this out. Thanks guys
[04:44] <flyingsquirrel54> I'll have to look around some more. at least I can view the emails via web, I had forgotten about that possibility
[04:44] <Fade> take it easy
[04:44] <jordanau> Signuts, you will find the installation very easy
[04:44] <goldfish> samiam: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26092
[04:44] <jordanau> Signuts, glad to help
[04:45] <goldfish> samiam: might be it, ImageMagick
[04:45] <bretzel> Q: what is the puropse of having two separeted pkgs for X11 development: x-dev and xlibs-dev ???
[04:45] <jordanau> icebalm, i guess i am just still new to the linux thing
[04:45] <Burgundavia> bretzel, one is developmetn and the other is the stable release
[04:45] <Burgundavia> h
[04:45] <Burgundavia> I can read today, really
[04:46] <synd> anyone have a clue how i can get this Nikon Coolpix 3200 mounted?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> synd, does dmesg see it?
[04:46] <bretzel> So x-dev is development ? or xlibs is ? because one missing pkg was giving me brain-suck trying to compile E17
[04:46] <synd> Burgundavia: i have no idea. dmesg in terminal?
[04:47] <Burgundavia> synd, run dmesg, plug it in, and then run dmesg again, and look at what is different
[04:47] <varla> hi there anybody can tell me why I keep making these symbolic link into my dev directory and they have disappeared when I reboot
[04:47] <Burgundavia> the last few lines will tell you whether or not it has been detected
[04:47] <synd> Burgundavia: yeah, it sees it
[04:47] <Burgundavia> varla, /dev is built dynamically at everyboot, taht may be it
[04:47] <Burgundavia> synd, ok, does gthumb see the camera?
[04:48] <synd> Burgundavia: gthumb in term?
[04:49] <varla> Burgundivia,i used to be on warty and they always stayed there, now with hoary they dissapear and I have problems with my cd playre
[04:49] <Fade> varla -- define symlinks you want to be persistent in /dev in the config file /etc/devfs/symlinks
[04:49] <Burgundavia> synd, apps->graphics-->gThumb
[04:49] <Fade> (he says hoping ubuntu is the same as debian in that respect)
[04:49] <synd> Burgundavia: ah.. i dont think it sees it
[04:49] <synd> Burgundavia: ive never used gthumb before
[04:49] <varla> ok I will try that thanks
[04:50] <Fade> n'p
[04:51] <synd> Burgundavia: ?
[04:51] <cspnico> hi
[04:52] <varla> Fade, there is no symlinks file there. Should I create one?
[04:52] <Burgundavia> synd, yess
[04:52] <synd> Burgundavia: how exactly do i check if gThumb can see my camera?
[04:52] <cspnico> i search to have the name if a log which could give information from my computer thaks to a website
[04:52] <synd> never used it
[04:53] <Burgundavia> synd, file-->import photos
[04:53] <Fade> varla: 'sec
[04:53] <icebalm> Fade: ubuntu doesn't use devfs, it uses udev
[04:53] <dcraven> cspnico, what kind of information?
[04:54] <Burgundavia> cspnico, you might have better luck at #ubuntu-fr
[04:54] <cspnico> yes i could drive log from another computer
[04:54] <devazion> icebalm, no? it use devfs until breezy right? :|
[04:54] <icebalm> devazion: nope, udev
[04:54] <Fade> varla: if ubuntu uses udev, my advice is bad.
[04:55] <varla> Fade: ok how will I know which it uses
[04:55] <synd> Burgundavia: its not detecting the camera
[04:55] <Fade> icbalm says it uses udev
[04:55] <Burgundavia> synd, hmm, it should
[04:55] <icebalm> varla: ps aux | grep udevd
[04:56] <Fade> in /etc/udev there will/should be a similar config for symlinks.
[04:56] <Fade> but as I don't yet have a ubuntu system to test on, I can't say for sure.
[04:56] <icebalm> you can change udev.rules
[04:56] <synd> Burgundavia: any idea how?
[04:56] <icebalm> the format of the file is not intuitive however
[04:57] <varla> I just look there and there is one file symlinks.conf
[04:57] <synd> Burgundavia: i also have a sandisk multiformat card reader that i could use but im not sure how to mount that either.
[04:57] <Fade> that'd be the one.
[04:57] <rizla> hi flks
[04:57] <Burgundavia> synd, it should automount
[04:57] <varla> ok thanks I will look into this
[04:58] <synd> Burgundavia: it doesnt automount
[04:58] <synd> Burgundavia: and i have it enabled in removeable drives and media prefs
[04:58] <Burgundavia> synd, then I would say something is borked on your machine
[04:58] <synd> ugh
[04:59] <Burgundavia> are you running warty?
[04:59] <synd> no, hoary final
[04:59] <Burgundavia> install of hoary final?
[04:59] <synd> yea
[04:59] <synd> clean install
[04:59] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:59] <Burgundavia> then report the bug
[04:59] <balor> synd: I've seen this before
[04:59] <Tirno> hi. I'm having trouble with wireless on my laptop (hoary). There is a physical button to switch the centrino wireless-card on and off. 1)After login, computer freezes if card is on. 2) often, I lose the network and cannot associate with an accesspoint in spite of sudo iwlist scan yielding results
[04:59] <Tirno> any ideas?
[04:59] <balor> synd: It happened after I plugged in a dodgy USB webcam
[05:00] <sp3tt> The ubuntu live cd can find my disks, but the installer can't. Why?
[05:00] <Nermal> note the word "dodgy"
[05:00] <Nermal> sp3tt, different kernel ?
[05:00] <synd> well its recognizing the camera.. but i just cant get the pictures off of it.
[05:00] <balor> synd: ah
[05:00] <balor> synd: what kind of webcam
[05:00] <sp3tt> Nermal, do they use different kernels?
[05:00] <synd> it also notes the size card i have in the camera as well
[05:00] <cspnico> i couldnt control my pc from a website?
[05:01] <synd> balor: nikon coolpix 3200
[05:01] <sp3tt> And is there a parameter to make fdisk show unpartitioned space?
[05:01] <balor> synd: When you plug it in does a /dev/sda device get created?
[05:01] <synd> balor: how do i check
[05:02] <balor> synd: ls /dev | grep sda
[05:02] <queuetue> Hi - I have an ubuntu server ("A") with a printer attached.  A second machine ("B") would like to use that printer.  Can anyone explain the process of making this work?
[05:02] <balor> synd: do this when the camera is unplugged and then plugged
[05:02] <balor> queuetue: you'll be using CUPS then if both machines are *NIX
[05:02] <comforteagle> I just finished intalling xfce4 via apt-get.  How do I switch to it?
[05:03] <synd> comforteagle: reboot
[05:03] <petemc> wtf
[05:03] <synd> comforteagle: then click session on the login screen
[05:03] <comforteagle> i really have to reboot?
[05:03] <queuetue> balor, Yes, I *KNOW* I'll be using cuos. :)  I'm asking for an explanation of how to use cups to accomplish this.
[05:03] <synd> comforteagle: and xfce should be there
[05:03] <petemc> comforteagle: no
[05:03] <synd> comforteagle: im not sure
[05:03] <synd> comforteagle: i meant like restart X
[05:03] <petemc> comforteagle: try logging out, look at the sessions menu
[05:03] <comforteagle> petemc, ok...
[05:04] <synd> petemc: that didnt work when i installed xfce
[05:04] <balor> queuetue: One machine becomes a CUPS server, the other uses the printer as shared out by that machine.
[05:04] <synd> petemc: iono?
[05:04] <icebalm> queuetue: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions most notably: "How can I share my printer on my LAN?"
[05:04] <Tirno> My problem is solved by rebooting. But that's kinda silly.... I know that there are few problems under linux that can be solved with a reboot that can be solved more elegantly
[05:04] <petemc> synd: it should. I dont know what "iono" means
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - im still having problems with my my udev. yesterday my udev.conf disapeared (i must have unwittingly updated it) - it wouldn't boot past "Starting Hotplug SubSystem". i got the udev.conf from the 0.50 udev, and now that wont add the /dev/hd* device nodes, so none of my filesystems will mount
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> any help with that would be, er, groovy
[05:04] <synd> synd: iono = i dont know
[05:04] <synd> petemc: *
[05:05] <petemc> very cryptic
[05:05] <synd> say iono out loud
[05:05] <synd> haha
[05:05] <rizla> does somebody use avidemux?
[05:06] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: reinstall the udev package?
[05:06] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - tried
[05:07] <Tirno> what's the etiquette here when a question doesn't get answered. Most chans I'm on, there is little traffic, so no answer means noone knows/wants to answer. Should I repeat my question or wait an hour and ask then?
[05:07] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: did you try with --force-confnew ?
[05:07] <Super_Cat_Frog> tirno, in irc, i usually wait about 15 mins, then try again
[05:07] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - no, i'l try that now, ta
[05:07] <Tirno> k, thanks
[05:08] <queuetue> icebalm, Ok, that FAQ entry describes a part of the process, but hw do I actually share the printer?
[05:09] <icebalm> queuetue: no, that FAQ entry describes the whole process
[05:09] <sp3tt> Is there a way to show unpartitioned space?
[05:09] <cspnico> I cannot control my pc from a website?
[05:09] <queuetue> icebalm, I'm somehow missing the "now do this to add the printer to the remote computer" part...
[05:09] <cspnico> i fordot thez name of the log who do that
[05:09] <comforteagle> xfce on ubuntu on my ibook is sweeeeeet
[05:09] <icebalm> queuetue: you add it like a networked printer
[05:10] <queuetue> icebalm, Ok.  How do "add it like a networked printer"?
[05:10] <icebalm> queuetue: the same way you add any other printer!
[05:11] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - im gonna try rebooting now, thanks
[05:11] <queuetue> icebalm, specifically, how do I add it?  I need to type in a URI, and Nothing I can find tells me what it is...
[05:13] <icebalm> queuetue: ipp://hostnameofcomputerhere/nameofprinter
[05:13] <ups> how does someone see a windows partition from a live cd?
[05:14] <IRCMark> hi, I have a problem with phpmyadmin
[05:14] <Mithsir> Hi! Is anyone running openoffice on hoary?
[05:14] <Mithsir> Hi! Is anyone running openoffice on hoary amd64?
[05:15] <sp3tt> ups: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[05:15] <ups> sp3tt, /mnt/windows has to be created?
[05:15] <sp3tt> Yes,
[05:15] <balor> Is there a version of Quake2 in Universe?
[05:16] <sp3tt> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[05:16] <ups> sp3tt, well, the system has only windows on it, and it's a live cd
[05:16] <ups> i know how to do that on a regular system ;)
[05:16] <sp3tt> ups: I am running live cd too!
[05:16] <sp3tt> And I have mounted my windows partition without trouble,
[05:17] <sp3tt> Weird how the live cd can find and mount them... But not the installer,
[05:17] <ups> sp3tt, u mean the partitions are automounted?
[05:18] <sp3tt> No.
[05:18] <Tirno> hi. I'm having trouble with wireless on my laptop (hoary). There is a physical button to switch the centrino wireless-card on and off. 1)After login, computer freezes if card is on. 2) often, I lose the network and cannot associate with an accesspoint in spite of sudo iwlist scan yielding results
[05:18] <Tirno> websites suggest that ndiswrapper might help
[05:18] <ups> sp3tt, then what is the default mount point? (i'm helping a friend with this, dont have the live cd myself)
[05:19] <Tirno> but after boot and pressing the button, the wireless usually works fine for a bit
[05:19] <sp3tt> I think it is /mnt/hda1
[05:19] <Tirno> "a bit" being anything from 10 minutes to 7 hours
[05:19] <ups> sp3tt, so basically after the live cd has booted, what to do?
[05:20] <sp3tt> sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[05:20] <sp3tt> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[05:20] <queuetue> icebalm, I get "Network host "foo" is busy: will rety in 30 seconds" iow, the standard cups "one of 30,000 possible things is wrong - please guess what it is" message...
[05:20] <ups> sp3tt, err... if none of the partitions aren't mounted then where can i create that directory?
[05:21] <ups> sp3tt, or am i missing something?
[05:21] <sp3tt> cd /mnt
[05:21] <sp3tt> sudo mkdir windows
[05:21] <ups> hmm
[05:22] <pbtraveller> Hi hab Probleme mit dhcpd No subnet declaration for start (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:22] <gustav_> balor: sort of, you'll still need the game CD to get the data-files
[05:22] <pbtraveller> jemand ne idee?
[05:23] <housetier> pbtraveller #ubuntu-de wird eher ne Idee haben :)
[05:25] <pbtraveller> danke bin neu auf ubuntu/ linux werde mal schauen
[05:25] <pbtraveller> danke
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - i did dpkg -i --force-conf (or something like that) on udev, and on a different version, but neither worked - its now just freezing at Starting Hotplug Subsystem - any ideas?
[05:25] <Sionide> where do you install xmms themes?
[05:25] <o> Lo, does anyone know if it's possible to edit the right click menu on the desktop?
[05:26] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: it sounds like you will have to purge the package and reinstall it, dpkg -P
[05:26] <housetier> pbtraveller /join #ubuntu-de und dort fragen :)
[05:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - could it be hotplug (or something else) causing this problem??
[05:27] <queuetue> Does anyone know how to set up a network-shared printer between two ubuntu machines?
[05:28] <no0tic> does switch "location" in net preferences work?
[05:28] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: doubtful
[05:29] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: but anything is possible
[05:29] <djp> doe anybody know the best way to listen to .sid files under ubuntu hoary?
[05:29] <djp> does anybody even!
[05:29] <Nermal> what does file say about them ?
[05:30] <djp> Nermal: sorry?
[05:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> is breezy being built against gcc 3.4 or gcc 4? that could be causing my udev problems (if im using the breezy version, it wont run on a system built with gcc 3.3.5)
[05:30] <no0tic> it seems to be broken..
[05:30] <mjr> djp, dunno about the best, but at least sidplay is in universe
[05:31] <Choubaka> Super_Cat_Frog: 4.0 afaik
[05:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> ahh
[05:31] <djp> mjr: sure, have seen that.. what is the difference between sidplay and sidplay-base?
[05:31] <mjr> *shrug*
[05:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> is it possible then to get apt-get to install every apps latest version (including downgrading), after removing breezy from my sources.list?
[05:31] <djp> mjr: thanks anyway
[05:37] <queuetue> Is there maybe some other printing system that actually works, besides cups?
[05:38] <queuetue> Heck, there are like 4 different sound alternatives that hardly work, there must be more than oe broken printing system. :)
[05:39] <wave> ok whats with this badger thing? breezy badger? bsd badger? Where the heck did a badger come from?
[05:39] <uggwar> queuetue: you can share the printer over samba
[05:39] <queuetue> uggwar, It
[05:39] <uggwar> queuetue: sorry?
[05:39] <Tirno> wave: itsa badger badger badger badger
[05:39] <queuetue> 's a little embarassing that that's probabl how I have to do it...
[05:40] <uggwar> queuetue: hehe
[05:40] <queuetue> uggwar, Sorry, stray return.:)
[05:40] <wave> ???
[05:40] <uggwar> queuetue: I was a bit too fast there :)
[05:41] <Tirno> (mushroom mushroom)
[05:41] <queuetue> lasagna
[05:41] <Tirno> surely you've seen the irritating flash movie?
[05:41] <queuetue> Tirno, Oh, you were actually making a point? :)
[05:42] <Iron_Monkey> any one good with Kubuntu ?
[05:43] <wave> irritating flash movie?
[05:43] <Choubaka> looping one
[05:43] <Choubaka> loops are annoying
[05:43] <Choubaka> because they're addictive :|
[05:43] <wave> what do I need to google? or does anyone have a link?
[05:43] <bretzel> Running E17 -- How to add E17 se3ssion in gdm ?? searched in all places but no clue
[05:44] <Nermal> wave, no idea.. ask jdub
[05:44] <bretzel> I mean, add E17 in choices in gdm
[05:44] <Nermal> they seem to have an animal as the second word and an uber dodgy word as the first
[05:44] <Nermal> there is a ubuntu list announcement as to why he chose "breezy" and I guess badger as its an animal starting in "b"
[05:45] <cspnico> how use terminal with webmin?
[05:45] <Nermal> I see oreilly books on "hoary hedgehog" having a hedgehog splaying its legs with skimpy underwear on the front cover :|
[05:46] <flodine> can muine get album covers for you?
[05:46] <Arnia> flodine: Yep... from Amazon
[05:46] <Arnia> Does it automatically
[05:46] <flodine> how  do i do that
[05:47] <syntaxis> Nermal: breezy isn't that dodgy a word... it's fairly often used to mean "fresh", "animated", "energetic"
[05:47] <wave> I found it.
[05:47] <] BreliC[> syntaxis, also means nonchalant, as in attitude
[05:47] <wave> and all I have to say is ...............
[05:48] <Nermal> syntaxis, I was referring to hoary
[05:48] <] BreliC[> wave, how difficult was it to install E17 on Hoary?
[05:48] <flodine> Arnia how do i get it to auto get album cover?
[05:48] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: I am actually rinning E17, just finished compiling it ...
[05:49] <syntaxis> Nermal: ah, ok... I read "they seem to have an animal as the second word and an uber dodgy word as the first" as being a more general statement
[05:49] <wave> sorry never messed with E17 on ubuntu. only gentoo and it was only elogin and such never got the windows manager.
[05:49] <Fab_> hi
[05:49] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: But I have to stop xwindow and then write ~/.xinitrc file to run it ... I am asking for how-to add E17 as choice in gdm or other
[05:49] <] BreliC[> bretzel, sorry, i meant to ask you... how is it?  any problems compiling it?
[05:50] <wave> Has anyone seen bannana phone?
[05:50] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: no unresolveable probs: need : x-dev, xlibs-dev, ltdl3-dev pkgs
[05:50] <Fab_> quick question: where is the arror icon located, the one that closes/opens panels / drawers
[05:50] <Fab_> arrow*
[05:51] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: and of course E17 sources... get the sources and follow guide from "http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org
[05:51] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: And how is it: --- WOW! but no such tools because it is still in early dev stages... but usable and very eye-candy! :-)
[05:52] <Gibby> Hi guys. I have a problem. I was trying the AMD64 live 5.04, trying to recover some data on old disks. The disks are using ReiserFS. I can mount them fine, but when I try deleting a directory, the Kernel panics: "not syncing: Aiee! killing interupt handler."
[05:52] <Gibby> Any idea what's going on?
[05:53] <Gibby> I've tried this twice, and the same results each time.
[05:53] <] BreliC[> bretzel, nice!  I've been looking at it for a while, just never got around to actually compiling it.  I think i'll give it a shot.
[05:53] <keffo> hm, odd question.. you know between the scenes in moviemaking.. you use a little black 'n white stuff you "klicking" with
[05:53] <keffo> what is that called+
[05:53] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: and actually cannot find its famous file-manager that I see often in E17 screenshots...
[05:55] <bretzel> ] BreliC[: not that long to compile btw, ( I am using P4 @2.4 ghz and took only few minutes to compile all the stuff
[05:55] <dj28> does anybody here know how i can isntall msttcorefonts on ubuntu? it's in debian but seems to be missing from ubuntu
[05:56] <queuetue> I have a pair of ubuntu servers - ("A") with a printer named "foo" attached, and a second machine ("B") that would like to use that printer.  I have changed Location "/" to allow 192.168.1.*, changed Listen <IP_ADDRESS>:631 to "port 631" on "A" and on "B", have added a printer that points to "ipp://A/foo".  instead of printing, I get  the standard cups error "A is busy. trying again in 30 seconds" (or something very similar to that.)
[05:56] <queuetue> Can anyone explain how to fix this?
[05:57] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - i tried that, still doesn't work
[05:57] <e-ogma> How does Ubuntu work with ADSL modems? fine? I could use a D-link or a Quick Connect modem, which one would be best?
[05:57] <howy> Just installed Ubuntu 5.04 as a server
[05:58] <howy> Found some bugs, also some suggestions
[05:58] <Gibby> Hi guys. I have a problem. I was trying the AMD64 live 5.04, trying to recover some data on old disks. The disks are using ReiserFS. I can mount them fine, but when I try deleting a directory, the Kernel panics: "not syncing: Aiee! killing interupt handler."
[05:59] <howy> biggest problem area was sendmail - realize that is not a supported package - should I still report them?   I have a recurring problem with the GRUB failing to boot my windows partition correctly. I fixed it before but I forgot how.
[06:00] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - it does, yes
[06:00] <tritium> dj28, msttcorefonts is in multiverse
[06:01] <Fab_> bretzel: do i need to compile all the packages on that site in the order mentioned there, or just the enlightenment one
[06:01] <tritium> Sabator, you may need to enable LBA in your bios
[06:01] <Super_Cat_Frog> sabator - at the risk of sounding like a stuck record of windows jokes - thats a feature
[06:01] <TTilus> queuetue: another guess would be http://A:631/printers/foo
[06:02] <Sabator> I remember I had to go into the GRUB menu file and the arguement "unhide" was very important, but there was another part to it. I got the answer from this channel last time
[06:02] <dj28> tritium, weird, i didn't see it
[06:02] <tritium> dj28, but you found it now?
[06:02] <dj28> tritium, but it worked out fine. they seemed to install automatically when i installed cabextract
[06:02] <cspnico> i can use irc with webmin?
[06:02] <TTilus> queuetue: I have a server running cups and client has DeviceURI http://tavi:631/printers/hp in /etc/cups/printers.conf
[06:03] <TTilus> tavi is the server and printer is called hp
[06:03] <queuetue> TTilus, ok, thanks for that (trying now.)
[06:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> icebalm - is there anything i can do short of reinstalling?
[06:04] <Sabator> Well if nobody knows for sure, let's try an alternate solution. A lot of you must idle this channel a lot, right? if people could search their logs for my name, and let me know what the solution was, that would be a great help. I've only been in this channel once before.
[06:05] <icebalm> Super_Cat_Frog: maybe, I'm not sure what it might be
[06:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> does anybody else have any idea what could cause ubuntu to stop booting at "Starting Hotplug Subsystem"?
[06:06] <comfrey> Super_Cat_Frog: it is looking for stuff
[06:06] <comfrey> Super_Cat_Frog: it stops all tgether?
[06:06] <Super_Cat_Frog> comfrey - it just stops altogether (left it for ages but it didn't do anything)
[06:07] <agenteo> do you know the way to avoid the opening of two nautilus windows when you double click on a not mounted device icon from GNOME?
[06:07] <XplOzIon> Hi all
[06:07] <comfrey> Super_Cat_Frog: hmm... well ... i would start by blacklisting certain modules...
[06:07] <Super_Cat_Frog> comfrey - it was working yesterday morning, but i had breezy in my sources.list so i might have upgraded it unwittingly. ive tried removing breezy from my sources.list, purging udev and hotplug and installing the latest version in hoary but that didn't help
[06:07] <Super_Cat_Frog> comfrey - ah, i didn't think of that
[06:08] <XplOzIon> agenteo: Yeah, go to System Tool -> Configuration Editor
[06:08] <comfrey> or... turn off hotplug and see what mods it needs or so
[06:08] <Fab_> bretzel: why has thou forsaken me??
[06:08] <XplOzIon> Select Apps -> nautilus
[06:09] <agenteo> XplOzIon: ok
[06:09] <XplOzIon> agenteo: Preferences and check always_use:browser
[06:09] <comfrey> Super_Cat_Frog: check out the  hotplug config and you can tell it to look for certain things
[06:09] <comfrey> pair down what it is looking for in single usermode,
[06:09] <XplOzIon> agenteo: that way you will use it like u wanted
[06:09] <comfrey> and perhaps see if there is a verbose option
[06:09] <Super_Cat_Frog> comfrey - any particular file, my blacklist seems to be as it was
[06:09] <agenteo> XplOzIon: it was already checked
[06:09] <tritium> Sabator, you can't hit a key (Esc, for example) at boot time and get to the menu?  You can always comment out "hiddenmenu" in your /boot/grub/menu.lst and then run "sudo update-grub"
[06:09] <comfrey> um... hnag on, i can check
[06:10] <agenteo> XplOzIon: I'm already using it in browser way
[06:10] <Sabator> tritium, I can get to the menu fine
[06:10] <XplOzIon> agenteo: oh, hmm
[06:11] <Sabator> but I can't remember the exact command
[06:11] <Sabator> for booting Windows
[06:11] <XplOzIon> brb
[06:11] <Sabator> because I moved the partition
[06:11] <tritium> Sabator, it's not a menu item?
[06:11] <agenteo> XplOzIon: by the way I've noticed the difference :) looks like when it's not in browser the double window is not opened
[06:11] <agenteo> at least fot the floppy
[06:11] <Sabator> well I actually edited menu.lst before tritium
[06:12] <tritium> Sabator, you'll have to edit it to reflect the new partition info, and run "sudo update-grub"
[06:12] <comfrey> Super_Cat_Frog: so... i was thinking of diiscover... i m not so sure off the top of my head how to restrict hotplug...
[06:12] <Fab_> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[06:12] <Fab_> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[06:12] <Fab_> See `config.log' for more details.
[06:12] <Fab_> any suggestions?
[06:12] <Sabator> edit it how, tritium?
[06:13] <tritium> Sabator, your editor of choice.  e.g., "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:13] <Sabator> yeah, but what do I edit?
[06:13] <eruin> nano -w
[06:13] <queuetue> TTilus, Apparently the "secret" was top restart cups an 8th time - the 7th must not have been enough to truip the "voodoo bit".
[06:14] <Fab_> queutue: lol
[06:14] <Fab_> my printer works now, btw
[06:14] <Fab_> over smb
[06:14] <Sabator> I really wish I could remember how I fixed the problem last time
[06:14] <Sabator> it's doing my head in
[06:14] <Sionide> pico is easy
[06:14] <Sabator> I spoke to all my mates and tried to get logs off them
[06:15] <Sionide> i much prefer pico to vi
[06:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> fab_ - apt-get install build-essential
[06:15] <Sabator> I use gedit all the time
[06:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> (iirc)
[06:15] <Sionide> or gedit, yeah
[06:15] <bretzel> Fab_ bretzel: why has thou forsaken me?? uh ???
[06:16] <flyingsquirrel54>  anyone know of a irc about wine?
[06:16] <Fab_> super_cat_frog: argh, yes, thank you
[06:16] <Fab_> bretzel: lol, i asked you a question, but you didnt answer ;)
[06:16] <Fab_> bretzel: do i need to compile all the packages on that site in the order mentioned there, or just the enlightenment one <- that one
[06:16] <nickrud> comfrey, you're trying to blacklist some modules?
[06:16] <bretzel> Fab_: Sorry I was AFK or asking in #e channel for stuff
[06:16] <Fab_> no prob :P
[06:16] <bretzel> Take only tose with higher 00x version ones
[06:17] <Fab_> yep
[06:17] <Super_Cat_Frog> nickrud - me, my hotplug is crapping out on boot
[06:17] <Fab_> figured that already
[06:17] <Fab_> wish me luck ;)
[06:17] <nickrud> Super_Cat_Frog, create a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d, and put the modules there, one per line
[06:18] <bretzel> you will need to tar xvfz all the archives and enter in each dirs and configure( --prefix=/usr  : I did it that way )  && sudo make install in each dirs
[06:18] <Fab_> bretzel: yep
[06:18] <Fab_> im configuring already ;)
[06:18] <nickrud> there's also a $VERBOSE line in /etc/init.d/hotplug where you can get verbose messages to messages.log
[06:18] <pont> Hey
[06:19] <Super_Cat_Frog> nickrud - ive alreadgot a blacklist file (its calle /etc/hotplug/blacklist, blacklist.d is a directory) im just not sure what to put in my blacklist to stop it breaking (it worked fine yesterday morning)
[06:19] <pont> MultiTrack recorder :P what kinda stuff can I install
[06:19] <Sabator> I think the problem I'm having is that when i installed Hoary I shoved the Windows partiton out of the way to make room for the linux one, insteadof putting the Linux partition behind the Windows one, so when Windows is trying to boot it can't find it's own files. I could use a partitioning program to move Windows back to it's normal position, but then Ubuntu wouldn't boot, and I know there's a simpler solution.
[06:19] <Super_Cat_Frog> nickrud - just realised you said create a file *in* blacklist.d
[06:19] <ScislaC> not exactly an Ubuntu Q, but it's the OS I'm running into the prob on... I setup pureftpd and used pureadmin to add users... when I try to login it says user authentication failed... anyone have any clues?
[06:19] <bretzel> :-) and enjoy: After that run enlightenment and fire up your browser to: http://evidence.sourceforge.net/ get the files link, grab eveidence----*---.deb file! yes there is one :-)
[06:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> scislac - i have no idea about your problem, but the only ftp server i got running and working in short order on gentoo was vsftpd - very easy to setup
[06:20] <bretzel> Fab_: and then I am actually searching for "examine", the tool for the evidence's prefs editor
[06:20] <Fab_> bretzel: lol
[06:20] <Fab_> one thing at a time ;)
[06:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> sabator - isn't there a boot.ini file or something like that in windows, that tells itself where it is
[06:22] <Goonie> Can anyone point me to a good tool to modify keyboard layouts?
[06:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> also, i dont think ubuntu would be bothered by being moved, just give grub the right info
[06:22] <Sabator> how would I make sure GRUB has that info?
[06:22] <Striss> Hey there...I'm running Hoary, I was wondering how I find out what Video Driver I'm currently using?
[06:23] <Sabator> I can't really get into ubuntu to update it automaticallu
[06:23] <ryanblack> look in xorg.conf...?
[06:23] <Sabator> striss, run glxgears
[06:23] <pont> Has anyone read the review of ubuntu in linux journal ?
[06:23] <Sabator> if you get a shit framerate
[06:23] <ryanblack> ah that would be easier..
[06:23] <ryanblack> ah
[06:23] <Sabator> then you need better drivers
[06:23] <Goonie> How do I map the windows key to something else?
[06:23] <gypsymauro> hello
[06:24] <gypsymauro> someone running ubuntu can query me the content of /etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules
[06:24] <gypsymauro> ?
[06:24] <Striss> glxgears gets me 96FPS...but when I try to run any gl apps, they are insanely slow...i have an onboard intel video chipset, should GL work with that?
[06:25] <moquist> gypsymauro: I don't have that file.
[06:25] <gA> 96FPS is a bit poo
[06:25] <mjr> Striss, depends, really, but for you it probably doesn't. See glxinfo though, the line about Direct rendering
[06:25] <Striss> k
[06:25] <mjr> at least some intels should work with DRI, some might not be out of the box (I'm not too familiar with intels myself, sadly)
[06:26] <Striss> Direct Rendering is not enabled
[06:26] <mjr> yep
[06:26] <mjr> the X log file will probably say why
[06:26] <dockane> is there a program to read out information of ram modules ?
[06:26] <Striss> alrighty, checking now
[06:26] <mjr> but I gotta go now, hungry
[06:27] <Striss> (**) I810(0): Direct rendering disabled
[06:27] <Striss> thats all i can find in the log about it
[06:27] <gypsymauro> moquist: tanx
[06:27] <mjr> Striss, before I go, dri.sourceforge.net might be a place to look for info
[06:27] <Striss> alrighty, thanks mjr
[06:27] <mjr> Striss, is there something related immediately above that text?
[06:28] <Striss> nope, just says DPMS enabled
[06:28] <mjr> hmh
[06:28] <mjr> ah well
[06:28] <dr_willis> i was thinking for the intel 810 - theres a kernel module you need to enable  befor X loads.
[06:28] <Striss> hmm, (II) LoadModule: "dri"
[06:28] <Striss> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a
[06:28] <nickrud> Striss, how much memory do you have allocated to the 810?
[06:28] <Striss> no idea, its shared memory so i dunno much about it
[06:29] <gustav_> Goonie: use the System->Settings->Keybordshortcuts tool (I'm not sure it is exactly as that, mine is in Swedish)
[06:29] <mjr> ah yes, if you have too little allocated it probably affects 3d capabilities badly
[06:29] <nickrud> If you don't give it enough, it won't do threeD
[06:29] <Striss> oh wait, i found the problem in the log
[06:29] <Striss> i'm using 24bit depth
[06:29] <mjr> on my old laptop (radeon 7500 with 16 megs) I could only have 3d when running at 800x600, which sucked
[06:30] <Striss> (**) I810(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at 16-bit depth.
[06:30] <Striss> how do I go about switching to 16bit from 24?
[06:30] <ivoks> hi folks
[06:30] <mjr> Striss, well, there you have it then. A bit of a shame, but at least it's fixable by giving up something...
[06:30] <ryanblack> forgive the ignorance but was is DRI for....
[06:30] <ryanblack> ;-)
[06:30] <ivoks> i'm a new ubuntu user :)
[06:30] <mjr> Striss, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, change DefaultDepth
[06:30] <Sabator> GO YOU
[06:30] <Striss> thankya
[06:30] <Striss> do I need to shut down X first?
[06:31] <ivoks> nope, but u need to restart it (ctrl alt backspace)
[06:31] <mjr> no, but you'll need to restart after
[06:31] <ryanblack> I think you can change it and then save.... ---^
[06:31] <mjr> echo
[06:31] <ryanblack> what he said..
[06:31] <Striss> k thanks a lot guys, you're all great help
[06:31] <Striss> ubuntu rocks as well hehe
[06:31] <xfSx> i've got problems making a public smb share, publicly broweseable and readable by anyone (like in xp), i've messed around with smb.conf but can't seem to get it workin
[06:31] <nickrud> Striss, and make sure you have a VideoRam line in the driver section, 32768 will set aside 32M
[06:31] <ivoks> yeah, ubuntu is really nice desktop distro
[06:31] <ivoks> i agree
[06:31] <xfSx> try out some of the themes fron art.gnome.org with it, sweeet
[06:31] <ivoks> xfSx that's pice of cake
[06:32] <mjr> ok, _now_ to eat ;)
[06:32] <ryanblack> hmmp I like kde better...
[06:32] <xfSx> ivoks, cool, how? i tried the shared folders app but..
[06:32] <xfSx> you run kubuntu?
[06:32] <ringmauer> how to watch divx in ubuntu?
[06:32] <ryanblack> and then added kde
[06:33] <xfSx> ringmauer, apt-get install vlc
[06:33] <ivoks> xfSx /q xfSx
[06:33] <flodine> can someone help me get muine to get album covers auto
[06:33] <ringmauer> okej i see
[06:33] <xfSx> ivoks?
[06:33] <flodine> dont see where you do that
[06:33] <ringmauer> xfSx never installed something in linux before, but do i need a lot of packages or just one+
[06:33] <ringmauer> ?
[06:33] <ryanblack> I am having an issue with getting opengl to work now that I installed Kde and took off gnome...
[06:34] <ivoks> ryanblack nope...
[06:34] <ryanblack> I suppose I could just reinstall with the kubuntu cd and reinstall the drivers etc..
[06:34] <ryanblack> I don't have anything setup since I just installed *ubuntu to begin with
[06:34] <ringmauer> What version of Vlc should i have to make it work with ubuntu?
[06:34] <ryanblack> when I log into kde I cannot use opengl
[06:34] <ryanblack> but when if I used gnome it was fine
[06:35] <Sabator> ringmauer get the latest one
[06:35] <ringmauer> but for what os
[06:35] <ryanblack> something about not using the right screen
[06:35] <Sabator> what OS?
[06:35] <ringmauer> yes vlc for ubunto doesnt exist
[06:35] <Sabator> apt-get install vlc
[06:35] <Sabator> it doesn't work?
[06:35] <Mestapheles> xwvlc
[06:35] <karljp> apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.11; untar, copy /boot/oldconfig into source, make oldconfig, make-kpkg should make a prefectly functional kernel right?
[06:35] <ringmauer> il try again
[06:35] <ivoks> people with Alps touchpad really hate 2.6.11+ kernels
[06:36] <Sionide> the worst thing about my ubuntu install is it's on my laptop, which runs at 1024x768 which i'm not used to because my desktop monitor runs at 1280x1024 :(
[06:36] <Mestapheles> rather wxvlc exists on ubuntu
[06:36] <ringmauer> no it doesnt work
[06:36] <ringmauer> but doesnt i have to download some files before installing+
[06:37] <moquist> ohboy.  what hoops do I need to jump through to get OOo2 working?  it complains about Java and dies ATM.  should I go with Sun, Blackdown...something else?
[06:37] <Depht> ringmauer, you need to add the universe repository
[06:37] <ringmauer> and where can i add that?
[06:37] <flodine> is there a muine room
[06:37] <Depht> ringmauer, the repositories dialog from synaptic is an easy way; it's in the settings menu
[06:37] <ryanblack> so... what good fps' can I get for *nix
[06:38] <ryanblack> ;-)
[06:38] <Depht> q3?
[06:38] <Sionide> q3 = quake 3
[06:38] <ryanblack> free?
[06:38] <Depht> yes, just couldn't be bothered with that many letters
[06:38] <dr_willis> RTCW:ET = free
[06:38] <ivoks> why doesn't ubuntu listen to what I say in sudoers?!
[06:38] <ringmauer> Depht: I cant find it can u tell me more specific where i fint the repsoitores dialo
[06:39] <ringmauer> g
[06:39] <ryanblack> enemy territory!!
[06:39] <ivoks> %admin  ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/fetchnews, /usr/bin/pon, /usr/bin/poff, /usr/bin/network-admin
[06:39] <ryanblack> woohoo
[06:39] <Depht> ringmauer, in synaptic, the settings menu
[06:39] <ivoks> and no... he asks pass every time.. i hate that
[06:39] <ryanblack> I need to google for that...
[06:39] <ryanblack> but first I need to get opengl in kde working
[06:39] <Goonie> I need help with my laptop keyboard layout plz
[06:39] <ryanblack> kubuntu = dead room
[06:39] <ryanblack> ;-)
[06:40] <Choubaka> ivoks: did you edit it with visudo?
[06:40] <nickrud> too busy with the eye candy
[06:40] <Choubaka> are you sure the syntax is correct?
[06:40] <dr_willis> it has nothing to do with kde ryanblack  - its an X configuration issue.
[06:40] <ivoks> Choubaka of course :)
[06:40] <queuetue> What is kubuntu, aside from ubuntu with apt-get install kde?
[06:40] <Amaranth> ryanblack: #ubuntu = uses GNOME and can't help :)
[06:40] <ryanblack> I know..
[06:40] <Amaranth> queuetue: It's Ubuntu with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:40] <ivoks> Choubaka well, man sudoers says it is... and my experience says it is
[06:40] <ryanblack> queuetue I cannot tell
[06:41] <ryanblack> I installed ubuntu..
[06:41] <Amaranth> Choubaka: XFCE?
[06:41] <ryanblack> and took a kubunu cd
[06:41] <Choubaka> yes.
[06:41] <ryanblack> and added kde
[06:41] <ryanblack> since I like kde and know my way around from forever ago when I used linux
[06:41] <dr_willis> ryanblack,  there was no need to do that either. You could of 'apt-get install kubuntu'   (or similer)'
[06:41] <ryanblack> ubuntu kbuntu are new to me I have been away from the scene forever..
[06:41] <Choubaka> I should design an xfce-desktop package.
[06:41] <ryanblack> dr_willis: I know I don't have net at home on that box
[06:42] <ryanblack> :-\
[06:42] <ryanblack> I can't apt-get anything
[06:42] <ivoks> ?
[06:42] <Choubaka> sure you can
[06:42] <Choubaka> from the CD :p
[06:42] <ryanblack> well from what he meant
[06:42] <nickrud> ryanblack, apt-zip is the tool for you
[06:43] <ryanblack> could I use that to install on my pb os x and grab stuff and then move via usb stick to ubuntu
[06:43] <ryanblack> ?
[06:43] <ryanblack> there is an apt-zip port to os x somewhere right?
[06:43] <nickrud> that's the purpose :)
[06:43] <Goonie> I need help with my laptop keyboard layout plz
[06:43] <ryanblack> Goonie: what's wrong..?
[06:44] <queuetue> Goonie, "q" is next to "w" .. :)
[06:45] <ryanblack> nickrud: how would I grab stuff via apt-zip on a pb and take that .deb or whatever output and move to the ubuntu box?
[06:45] <Choubaka> queuetue: not in dvorak :p
[06:45] <Depht> no one knows where 1 is on dvorak, other than "somewhere in a corner"...
[06:45] <queuetue> Choubaka, yeah, I was worried someone would bring that up. :)
[06:45] <Depht> * q
[06:45] <nickrud> It's been a while, but you apt-zip on ubuntu, it creates a script you run on the xp box, which downloads the needed debs.
[06:45] <Goonie> ryanblack~ nothing is wrong I guess but the Icelandic layout has a key next to z that has the "more than" and "less than" char.... my laptop doesn't have that key so I wanted to change my windows key to do that function
[06:46] <nickrud> take 'em back to ubuntu, and install.
[06:46] <ryanblack> I am on a powerbook..
[06:46] <ryanblack> ..? will this work on os x....
[06:46] <ryanblack> like it'll make me a shell script that'll run in tcsh?
[06:46] <ryanblack> haha
[06:46] <nickrud> probably, and also a .bat
[06:46] <karljp>  ert fr sland!
[06:46] <Choubaka> the <> key is keycode 94
[06:47] <ryanblack> Goonie: ah I understand...
[06:47] <karljp> choubaka, that's a bold assumption
[06:47] <ryanblack> nickrud:  Ah I'll have to tinker with that...
[06:47] <ryanblack> but I'd rather have net :-(
[06:47] <Dave2|Laptop> Hey. I'm having trouble getting evolution installed on Breezy; it complains that libcamel1.2-3 isn't going to be installed (I've already installed it), and that e-d-s won't be installed (it also complains about libcamel1.2-3). Is this a known problem, or just me?
[06:47] <Danimall> hi, everyone!
[06:47] <Choubaka> well, in my layout it is :D
[06:47] <nickrud> ryanblack, no tinkering needed, it's a solid, tested package
[06:47] <seeker_> when I run sound recorder and try to record it doesn't grab audio from the mic, even though in the mixer I enabled the mic. how can I get it to grab audio from the mic?
[06:47] <ivoks> and open log.smbd
[06:47] <queuetue> Dave2|Laptop, hoary is only a few days old!   :P
[06:48] <Choubaka> :P
[06:48] <Choubaka> Hoary != debian stale
[06:48] <Depht> Dave2|Laptop, I get that too, downgraded a few packages again
[06:48] <queuetue> Heh.
[06:48] <Danimall> anyone has experience with mmc/sd card readers?
[06:48] <Amaranth> queuetue: masochism
[06:48] <Choubaka> ooops :DDDD
[06:48] <Choubaka> I did _not_ inted to type stale
[06:48] <Dave2|Laptop> Depht, I guess I ought to just wait a bit and use thunderbird or something in the mean time
[06:48] <Choubaka> I in fact typed stable
[06:48] <nickrud> anyone here read the new dpl's recent interviews?
[06:49] <Choubaka> only I pressed ctrl-b by accident
[06:49] <queuetue> Choubaka, the "b" is next to the "n".
[06:49] <queuetue> Choubaka, unless you use dvorak.
[06:49] <ivoks> people, u do so much noise :)
[06:49] <Dave2|Laptop> Choubaka, I'm well aware
[06:49] <ivoks> i can't see what man is writing to me :)
[06:49] <Dave2|Laptop> But it's Ubuntu stable :P
[06:50] <dequacker> Hi.
[06:50] <queuetue> Well, I feel put in my place.
[06:50] <dequacker> Can someone please help me?
[06:50] <Depht> dequacker, what with?
[06:50] <dequacker> I have a problem installing DVD::Rip (and the forums haven't been able to help me) :(
[06:50] <queuetue> dequacker, Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[06:50] <guruff> hi; i have question about gnome menu; i have an 'directory' in gnome menu called Debian; tried to got rig of it rm -rf /var/lib/gnome/Debian and rm /usr/share/desktop-directories/Debian.directory... but it's still there; any idea how to got rid of it ?
[06:50] <Depht> dequacker, from marillat's place?
[06:51] <dequacker> Depht, yes.
[06:51] <dequacker> What're my options?
[06:51] <nickrud> guruff, purge the package menus and menu-xdg
[06:51] <nickrud> guruff, purge the packages menu and menu-xdg :)
[06:51] <Depht> dequacker, does it not just work?
[06:51] <dequacker> Depht, exactly.
[06:51] <dequacker> It can't install using apt-get, and I can't apt-get transcode either.
[06:52] <moritz_> is there any channel en espaol? o ???
[06:52] <dequacker> moritz, para que buscas ese canal?
[06:52] <dequacker> no hablas ingles?
[06:52] <eruin> y tu mama tambien
[06:52] <nickrud> moritz_, I think it's called #ubuntu-es
[06:52] <Depht> dequacker, when does it go wrong? it selects all the packages for me, but I don't fancy installing them all right now...
[06:52] <moritz_> habalo ingles y aleman pero estudio espaol ;)
[06:53] <moritz_> nickrud, that seemed quite correct :) - thanks.
[06:53] <Danimall> I need help with a built-in mmc/sd card reader!!!
[06:53] <nickrud> I just did an irc search on #ubuntu, it's still in short term memory :)
[06:53] <dequacker> depht I have this same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17758
[06:54] <dequacker> moritz ist deutscht? oy vey. Der Untergang ist gut.
[06:54] <Amaranth> dequacker: English please.
[06:55] <Burgundavia> dequacker, try #ubuntu-de
[06:55] <dequacker> Thanks, but I was just replying something to moritz. I speak fluent English.  Third started was latin. Fourth started(2 weeks) french, and than some chinese. Now I'm trying to pick up spanish...
[06:57] <dequacker> Hmm.
[06:57] <dequacker> LOL. I don't think they'll like it if you try them out in here, moritz.
[06:57] <guruff> nickrud; purge menu and menu-xdg :) thx, helped
[06:57] <ivoks> i speek croatian. only croatian.
[06:57] <queuetue> Offtoic, but ... I'd love to learn french - does anyone have a suggested method? (American, english-only speaker)
[06:58] <karljp> move to france
[06:58] <Jimbob> queuetue: Move somewhere where they speak french?
[06:58] <dequacker> wtf. Now everyone is interested in learning foreign languages.
[06:58] <moritz_> well I think quebeck is closer :)
[06:58] <karljp> they don't speak french there :)
[06:58] <moritz_> Well that's even written wrong.
[06:58] <karljp> they speak quebecistani
[06:58] <bretzel> Yes Quebec is
[06:58] <dequacker> Depht, any insight on what the problem with DVD::Rip might be?
[06:58] <moritz_> karljp, well they speek something that is close to what the frogs speak....
[06:58] <queuetue> Jimbob, That;s actually the reasoin for learning - to ease a move. :)
[06:58] <nydust> where do i see what port mysql are running on?
[06:58] <karljp> closer than english I guess :)
[06:58] <moritz_> Perdono! - french speak.
[06:59] <Depht> dequacker, not really, I don't get any dependency messages at all
[06:59] <queuetue> Montral, in fact. :)
[06:59] <moritz_> karljp, nah. If you don't speak french up there.  I don't know what the problem is. I tried the solution one of these guys gave in the forum and it didn't help me.
[06:59] <karljp> only americans kill people for not speaking their language
[06:59] <cobb> do any free programs exist that generate UML diagrams from java code?
[06:59] <dequacker> I tried this "What you can do, is download libvorbis0_1.0rc3-1_i386.deb from rpmseek.com then enter the following to force the installation of libvorbis0 over libvorbis0a."
[06:59] <moritz_> cobb, I'd look around the eclipse stuff.
[07:00] <dequacker> But I've no idea how to make it work.
[07:00] <cobb> moritz_: oops, sorry. Wrong channel but thank you!
[07:00] <moritz_> cobb, no es nada!
[07:00] <Jimbob> karljp: Naw, there are plenty of countries that kill people for not speaking the language -- you just need to be drunk and beligerant around cops when you are "not speaking the language"
[07:00] <karljp> shoot first, ask questions later.
[07:00] <moritz_> crap-- I'm still missing the leading upside down questionmark.
[07:00] <karljp> the motto of all good police forces
[07:00] <dequacker> This is the package that has the dependency problem, and causes transcode not to install. This code will install the package regardless of the dependency issues. So just go into synaptic, or apt-get transcode and dvdrip.
[07:00] <dequacker> Couldn't make the above work.
[07:01] <lunitik> karljp: can't ask questions if they kill you first  :/
[07:01] <moritz_> karljp, the only rule I follow is: if you shoot someone, make sure he's dead. It's easier for you in court than.
[07:01] <karljp> "I only wanted a coke!"
[07:01] <lunitik> moritz_: ha
[07:01] <karljp> moritz: that's a useful one :)
[07:01] <moritz_> karljp, it's called pop!
[07:01] <ryanblack> soda...
[07:01] <karljp> soft drink
[07:01] <Jimbob> (Or soda in some areas)
[07:01] <ryanblack> gotta love that brand name association..
[07:01] <ryanblack> I live in the southern us.. all soda is coke..
[07:02] <moritz_> yea. But that stuck.
[07:02] <karljp> well, I did want a coke, not some generic softdrink
[07:02] <ryanblack> I hate when people call it that..
[07:02] <cobb> I've updated to freezy and I've found a bug I think.  And beg your pardon...
[07:02] <lunitik> cobb: what is the bug?
[07:02] <seeker_> anyone know how I can fix that?
[07:02] <Choubaka> http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu <- This is a good read.
[07:03] <karljp> in california, my accent made them look at me funny when I asked for a coke too, and I speak english nativly!
[07:03] <cobb> lunitik: xmms-flac makes xmms go: "*** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0xb6e1d932 ***" and then die.
[07:03] <moritz_> karljp, I learned schools english. It got ruined completely in Wisconsin...
[07:03] <ryanblack> karljp: where from?
[07:03] <karljp> .au
[07:03] <lunitik> cobb: XMMS is not supported... no real point filing a bug on it  :/
[07:03] <ryanblack> ah
[07:03] <moritz_> aussie!
[07:03] <karljp> .is now.
[07:03] <ryanblack> Birmingham - al - usa here...
[07:03] <nickrud> seeker, you can try alsamixer and see if some obscure thing is muted
[07:03] <moritz_> .is?
[07:04] <karljp> up here in the north
[07:04] <cobb> lunitik: no, but when breezy goes stable shouldn't xmms work with xmms-flac?
[07:04] <karljp> about as far from .au as you can get :)
[07:04] <lunitik> cobb: its not supported... so it certainly wouldn't be a priority... now if Rhythmbox didn't work with FLAC...
[07:04] <moritz_> I wanted to visit .au all my life long...
[07:05] <karljp> you should, it's great
[07:05] <moritz_> gotta get somewhere down south...
[07:05] <karljp> ryan, I think I drove across al without stopping.
[07:05] <ryanblack> I don't doubt you...
[07:05] <ryanblack> I wouldn't stop either....
[07:05] <ryanblack> ha
[07:05] <moritz_> I've been to HongKong already... Beautiful... But I'm never going to go on a trip like that withough a girl again...
[07:05] <seeker_> nickrud: i unmuted everything and tried. still no record
[07:05] <karljp> actually, no I stopped for lunch in mobile.
[07:05] <karljp> Didn't stop in mississipi
[07:06] <lunitik> cobb: ps, you have libflac7 installed right?
[07:06] <ryanblack> no, really al is not that bad... just poor infrastructure.... and a few lame people..
[07:06] <ryanblack> beautiful settings though..
[07:06] <karljp> not enough rock for me :)
[07:06] <nickrud> seeker_, my mike is dead so I haven't tried recording under ubuntu, sorry I don't have any better suggestions :)
[07:06] <ryanblack> you clime/boulder?
[07:06] <ryanblack> *climb..
[07:06] <karljp> yeah
[07:06] <ryanblack> cool
[07:06] <karljp> west is best baby!
[07:06] <ryanblack> horse pens 40....
[07:06] <ryanblack> north of birmingham - awesome rocks
[07:07] <cobb> lunitik: yes, libflac7 is installed
[07:07] <karljp> yeah, I've heard about it
[07:07] <seeker_> thing is , I can hear myself through the speakers, but the volum monitor dosn't show anything
[07:07] <moritz_> I just need water and snow...
[07:07] <karljp> all the guys camped at the red were talking about it
[07:07] <moritz_> boarding is something I'd die for...
[07:07] <karljp> I need snow in the winter, but not where I live.
[07:07] <ryanblack> I used to live closer to it in a small town called ashville
[07:07] <karljp> northern california was good for that, nice and warm, snow a short drive away for boarding, and lots and lots of rock to climb on.
[07:07] <moritz_> dinner time...
[07:07] <ryanblack> I want to move north to be in a higher tech area...
[07:07] <karljp> pity it was in america
[07:08] <ryanblack> I am tired of slow expensive "broadband" here..
[07:08] <ryanblack> heh
[07:08] <karljp> lovely country though
[07:08] <ryanblack> so you would prefer to live elsewhere..?
[07:08] <karljp> I do live elsewhere :)
[07:08] <ryanblack> what about taxes etc
[07:08] <karljp> what about taxes?
[07:08] <ryanblack> where are you again?
[07:08] <karljp> I don't think taxes are really something that makes a great deal of difference at the end of the day.
[07:09] <lunitik> ryanblack: why the quotes? broadband is a type of signal... has nothing to do with the speed... its broadband even if you are only getting like 4kb/s out of it  :/
[07:09] <mikeco>  they do when you pay 32%
[07:09] <ryanblack> well if you are in a country where they tax the hell out of you...
[07:09] <karljp> if you stop thinking of it as money that is being taken form you, and just as money that you never have
[07:09] <karljp> it's take home pay, and purchasing power that matter
[07:09] <karljp> If I live somewhere with 80% tax, and my take home is more, I don't care what the tax rate is.
[07:09] <mikeco> less tax means more take home pay, and purchasing power.
[07:09] <Amaranth> I was told I'd get moderator access to my sub-forum on the forums and after two weeks I still don't have it.
[07:09] <ryanblack> lunitik: in the sense I meant I think it made sense ;-)
[07:09] <karljp> no, taxes and wages are independent
[07:10] <Amaranth> lunitik: EEEK! CLOWN!
[07:10] <karljp> if wages are fixed, then lower taxes mean more take home sure.
[07:10] <ryanblack> anything besides ppp dialup = broadband here..
[07:10] <mikeco> except that they're not
[07:10] <Jimbob> There is #politics, guys :-)
[07:10] <lunitik> Amaranth: Clowns are scary... but they apparently cheer some people up  :o
[07:10] <karljp> they're not fixed either though mikeco
[07:10] <lunitik> Amaranth: I think I've seen Killer Klowns too many times or something  :P
[07:10] <Amaranth> lunitik: Until they pull out a knife and stab you.
[07:10] <mikeco> look, i don't care the reason, or the country, it's not right for me to pay 32% of my income to tax.
[07:11] <Amaranth> btw, I have a co-developer for the menu editor now
[07:11] <ryanblack> hahah
[07:11] <Amaranth> so maybe it'll get released :)
[07:11] <karljp> how much should you pay?
[07:11] <karljp> 0?
[07:11] <mikeco> especially when it's spent on lying politicians
[07:11] <ryanblack> mikeco:  agreed
[07:11] <ryanblack> I am 15% bracket...
[07:11] <ryanblack> but I am poor ass hahahha
[07:11] <karljp> and then just have use charges for everything?
[07:11] <mikeco> 10% across the board.
[07:11] <mikeco> it works.
[07:11] <ryanblack> gotta love having 2 dependants...
[07:11] <ryanblack> I think a flat tax rate is fair...
[07:11] <ryanblack> but it would mean the poor had to pay more
[07:11] <mikeco> it works fiscally
[07:11] <lunitik> mikeco: things related to politics in any way should not be discussed in public
[07:12] <karljp> yes they should
[07:12] <ryanblack> because 10% across the board wouldn't be enough money
[07:12] <karljp> you can't pretend it doesn't exist lunitik
[07:12] <mikeco> ryan.
[07:12] <ryanblack> yes?
[07:12] <mikeco> 10% of a large number is a large number.
[07:12] <karljp> ryan: depends what services you think govt should provide :)
[07:12] <ryanblack> I understand
[07:12] <karljp> it might be enough, it might not be :)
[07:12] <lunitik> karljp: no... because everyone involved sees it their way... no one will agree... and it usually ends up bad
[07:12] <mikeco> you wouldn't pay tax unless you made enough
[07:12] <lunitik> Simular to religion
[07:12] <ryanblack> but they're (the middleclass and rich) are currently taxed much more
[07:12] <karljp> whether it ends up bad depends on the people involved
[07:12] <ryanblack> they'd love flat 10%
[07:13] <karljp> I don't think we've got anywhere bad here yet :)
[07:13] <ryanblack> ah
[07:13] <ryanblack> well it's sort of like that now
[07:13] <mikeco> and if the top 20% wage earners paid 10%, that would be more than enough\
[07:13] <karljp> and just because it "could" end up bad doens't mean you should never ever talk about it.
[07:13] <ryanblack> I don't make near enough as I "should" by govt standards
[07:13] <mikeco> being that only the top 5% pay the most now, in the states
[07:13] <mikeco> ryan, in that case, you most likely wouldn't pay tax
[07:13] <ryanblack> I love EIC hahahaha
[07:13] <karljp> mike: if you could actually make everyone actually pay their tax, it would probably work :)
[07:13] <flyingsquirrel54> ringmauer: you still there?
[07:13] <lunitik> karljp: sure it does... there is no point discussing someone when there is no chance of a result coming from the discussion...
[07:14] <ryanblack> I got all my fed and 80% state back plus a, man I love democrats, credit
[07:14] <karljp> there is a chance.
[07:14] <mikeco> the numbers figure out to be wage earners making 105,760. and change a year
[07:14] <karljp> if there's no chance, why not just have dictators,
[07:14] <ryanblack> lunitik:  to hear others opinions and for intellectual stimulation
[07:14] <karljp> cos it doesn't matter,
[07:14] <mikeco> ryanblack, dems didn't do that for ya
[07:15] <ryanblack> mikeco: how so.. the party seems tied to all the social service stuff etc..?
[07:15] <mikeco> seems. you said it not me
[07:15] <sic|work> morning, has anyone gotten internet explorer to run in wine on ubuntu?  I know I know IE sucks...but I have to have it for work for our timesheet software
[07:15] <ryanblack> sic|work: hahaa IE on *nix haahaha
[07:15] <lunitik> karljp: *shrug* we basically are a dictatorship in the US... nothing really is decided in public, all in the House, or directly by the president  :/
[07:15] <ryanblack> ah geeze...
[07:15] <mikeco> however, they block most changes to the irs tax laws that would benefit you.
[07:15] <nickrud> mikeco, earned income credit started under carter in the 70's
[07:15] <mikeco> in the 15% tax bracket
[07:15] <sic|work> ryanblack...hehehe I know...stinks
[07:15] <a_peck> how come evolution doesn't let me import csv contact files? and that gmail won't let me export contacts! they're mine!
[07:16] <ryanblack> sic|work: I am truly and deeply sorry...
[07:16] <a_peck> do you know I could convert a cvs file to vcard format?
[07:16] <lunitik> sic|work: www.codeweavers.com
[07:16] <mikeco> ryanblack, i don't think you should be paying tax.
[07:16] <ryanblack> I spend a lot of time putting firefox on xp boxes that I run across after people buy a mac from me..
[07:16] <karljp> sic: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6
[07:16] <ryanblack> mikeco: I'll write you in for pres
[07:16] <ryanblack> :-D
[07:16] <mikeco> haha
[07:16] <mikeco> seriously.
[07:17] <ryanblack> "mikeco" and an ip addy for pres
[07:17] <ryanblack> hahahah
[07:17] <sic|work> karljp, thanks but frankscorner procedure wont' work in ubuntu for some odd reason
[07:17] <mikeco> the tax you pay, and anyone else not paying over 27% doesn't affect the economy on a grand scale
[07:17] <karljp> ahh, sorry, not tried it myself ;)
[07:17] <mikeco> as i stated , 10% of a lot is a lot. 10% of a little is a litte
[07:17] <mikeco> little, sorry
[07:17] <ryanblack> true
[07:18] <karljp> mike: so what you really need is the rich people to actually pay their taxes, instead of using a portion of their money to "protect" it
[07:18] <ryanblack> but then what is the incentive to earn more and better yourself when it is so sweet to be poorass
[07:18] <ryanblack> like me
[07:18] <ryanblack> :-D
[07:18] <mikeco> karljp, they do pay it. and pay plenty
[07:18] <karljp> so what's the problem?
[07:18] <mikeco> karljp, you're not listening. i'm saying the majority need not pay tax
[07:19] <karljp> ok.
[07:19] <mikeco> it's the minority and top wage earners that do
[07:19] <mikeco> and they make more than enough, and could pay only 10% and it works fiscally
[07:19] <karljp> so imagine your take home pay was identical
[07:19] <mikeco> completely, with no deficit
[07:19] <karljp> only you were being taxed 10%, instead of 30%
[07:19] <karljp> you'd be happier?
[07:19] <mikeco> take home would not be static.
[07:19] <mikeco> who the hell said that
[07:19] <lunitik> mikeco: that could never work... and it is hardly fair... just because they do well in life, they get raped for it?
[07:19] <ryanblack> I would tell my boss to pay me $1 below the cutoff
[07:20] <ryanblack> and take the rest of compensation as benefits like insurance etc..
[07:20] <ryanblack> hahaha
[07:20] <nickrud> mikeco, you hit the nail on the head, taxes are too hard on the wage earners, and too easy on the interest earners
[07:20] <mikeco> lunitik, uh, 10% is far less than 32%
[07:20] <karljp> all I'm saying is that the actual number of the tax isn't as relevant, you just need to stop thinking of gross pay as your money :)
[07:20] <lunitik> mikeco: with only the top money earners paying that? they wouldn't have the money to pay cops and politicians etc  :/
[07:20] <Nomikos> recommended channels for questions about shell?
[07:20] <mikeco> lunitik, i'd rather be raped at 10% than 32
[07:21] <mikeco> lunitik, do you understand what a top wage earner is
[07:21] <karljp> in theory here :)
[07:21] <mikeco> that goes all the way up to the billions
[07:21] <karljp> if you're talking in this channel,
[07:21] <nickrud> Nomikos, everyone's bored here, ask way :)
[07:21] <karljp> 99% sure, it's not you
[07:21] <Nomikos> having issues with backspace/delete working differently in bash and nano..
[07:21] <spo0nman> hmm, i have this in .ssh/config LocalForward 8090 cvs.server.address:22 .... i make the connection to the server ... now how do i do a cvs co?
[07:22] <karljp> speaking of actual problems,
[07:22] <karljp> has anyone built a clean 2.6.11 kernel?
[07:22] <mikeco> erm, bbiab, changing kernel
[07:22] <nickrud> Nomikos, mine work the same
[07:22] <lunitik> mikeco: still hardly enough... to pay for schools, road repairs, taxes go to a lot of things... it is high for a reason
[07:22] <karljp> the linux-source-2.6.11 package from ubuntu doens't build out of the box
[07:22] <karljp> dvb error.
[07:22] <Amaranth> It shouldn't be used, either.
[07:22] <Nomikos> both backspace and delete work ok in nano directly, but when I ssh in from another box and work in nano, only delete works, and backspace forward-deletes as well
[07:23] <ryanblack> MOOAHAHAHA tiger just came in WOOOOHOOO
[07:23] <Amaranth> It isn't 2.6.11, it's a snapshot of the kernel BK tree just before the 2.6.11 release.
[07:23] <karljp> ahh.
[07:23] <karljp> that might explain my problems with it.
[07:23] <karljp> it just looks like 2.6.11 then?
[07:23] <karljp> that suckz0rs
[07:24] <sandyeggoboy> need webcam installation help
[07:24] <Amaranth> 2.6.11 wasn't ready when hoary froze
[07:24] <Nomikos> did that make sense? :)
[07:24] <karljp> so that's 2.6.10 in hoary, that's fine.
[07:24] <Amaranth> This is why the "2.6.11" kernel is in universe. :)
[07:24] <karljp> but is the apt-get package for 2.6.11 safe to use?
[07:25] <sandyeggoboy> Its a little red rimmed thing that has "BTC" printed on it
[07:25] <Amaranth> Do _NOT_ use the 2.6.11 in universe unless it has some driver you desperately need that wasn't in 2.6.10.
[07:25] <karljp> good to know.
[07:25] <karljp> cos it doesn't work :)
[07:25] <nickrud> Nomikos, yeah, It's a configuration difference on the machine you're ssh'ing in from, compare the
[07:25] <karljp> I actually need a driver in the -ac patch,
[07:25] <Levande1> Is there no way to configure my ubuntuforums account to send me an email every time somebody has posted on a thread I've posted on?
[07:25] <karljp> but I'll try porting it to 2.6.10 instead of 2.6.11 then
[07:26] <Amaranth> And if you do use it, you need to boot with noinotify otherwise it'll freeze completely when GNOME starts.
[07:26] <karljp> that's what it did :)
[07:26] <nickrud> profile & bashrc 's, you'll find something about swapping backspace and delete
[07:26] <Amaranth> karljp: You're a good candidate for using it then.
[07:26] <karljp> I am?
[07:26] <karljp> I don't want to be.
[07:26] <Amaranth> Just edit grub's conf file so it boots with noinotify.
[07:26] <nickrud> It's been a while since I looked at it, so I don't remember exactly
[07:27] <nickrud> try googling swap backspace delete
[07:27] <Amaranth> Hehe, you need a driver from 2.6.11 that wasn't in 2.6.10.
[07:27] <Nomikos> nickrud: I'll look at those; in the ssh shell they both work fine though, only when i start nano it fails
[07:27] <Tomcat_> Ubuntu's xscreensaver *sometimes* doesn't ask for a password when resuming from suspend-to-disk/RAM. Any ideas? I have checked the ACPI scripts, but I can't detect the error...
[07:27] <karljp> no, it's not in 2.6.11 either yet :)
[07:27] <Amaranth> Ah.
[07:27] <karljp> it's only in the 2.6.11-ac
[07:27] <karljp> and I was trying to port it into my personal 2.6.11
[07:27] <karljp> what does inotify do?
[07:27] <Nomikos> nickrud: but I'll look into those files first, thanks :-)
[07:27] <Seveas> it b0rks your system karljp ;)
[07:27] <Amaranth> karljp: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/
[07:28] <Amaranth> karljp: Actually, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/inotify/README is a better read.
[07:28] <ifr> HI, all, trying to find a way to restart the net interfaces ; when I switch wifi nets eth0 can't seem to cope and I'd like to unload and restart all the drivers. I tried /etc/init.d/networking restart (noluck) and ifdown eth0 no luck any others?
[07:28] <ifr> Sorry, ubuntu 5.04
[07:29] <Amaranth> ifr: http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[07:30] <Levande1> Is there no way to set up my ubuntuforums account to send me an email every time somebody posts on a thread I've participated in?
[07:30] <ifr> Thanks amaranth
[07:30] <karljp> so I just add noinotify to the end of this line...
[07:30] <karljp> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11delkin root=/dev/hda3 ro quiet splash
[07:30] <Amaranth> Levande1: Subscribe to that thread. You can change your settings to auto-subscribe to ones you've posted in.
[07:30] <pont> anyone had any experiance with IP version 6
[07:30] <Amaranth> karljp: yeah
[07:31] <pont> I wish to use ping6 to ping myself but i can't seem to figure out how to pass it the IP
[07:31] <pont> Ifconfig outputs the following  inet6 addr: fe80::20a:95ff:feac:1778/64 Scope:Link
[07:31] <Amaranth> pont: Your local IPv6 address is ::1. This is like IPv4's <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:32] <Amaranth> pont: That's ::1 without a period. :)
[07:32] <pont> Amaranth, Yea, but i wanna figure out how to ping like eth0
[07:32] <karljp> amaranth: excellent, time to reboot again and see if that atually works,  then I can try and debug my driver patch hackery
[07:32] <Levande1> Amaranth: don't see any settings in my ubuntuforums User CP to auto-subscribe to threads I've participated in.
[07:33] <Amaranth> pont: No clue.
[07:33] <pont> Amaranth, hmm
[07:33] <pont> Amaranth, O well
[07:33] <Levande1> Amaranth: I would think it would be under "Edit Options", but don't see anything there.
[07:33] <pont> tricky
[07:34] <Amaranth> Levande1: I have no idea where I turned that feature on at.
[07:34] <pont> Amaranth,  got it working :)
[07:34] <klaym> www.savetoby.com <- please help save toby :/
[07:34] <Levande1> Amaranth: okay, thanks for your help, finally found it, it was under "Edit Options"
[07:35] <pont>  ping6 -I eth0 fe80::20a:95ff:feac:1778 (didn't like the fact i didn't specify the interface
[07:35] <nickrud> pont, try googling ip6 ping howto
[07:35] <Amaranth> Levande1: It was?
[07:35] <pont> nickrud, got it working :0
[07:35] <pont> :)
[07:35] <Levande1> In the 2nd box, 2nd option
[07:36] <Amaranth> ah
[07:36] <Amaranth> kinda doesn't explain what it is
[07:36] <nickrud> :)
[07:36] <Nomikos> nickrud: found it, thanks for the hint :)
[07:36] <Levande1> Amaranth: 2nd box, 2nd option under "Edit Options" in left side navigation bar
[07:36] <nickrud> Nomikos, what was it?
[07:36] <Amaranth> Levande1: I found that, I was commenting on the title of that option.
[07:37] <bur[n] er> can anyone recommend a good apache access.log report generator?