[00:54] <stas> hi guys, why this builds contain no support fo btrfs: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[01:56] <Darkr> Is there anyway I can disable cpu freq scaling?  You see, my hardware is a tad buggy.  It crashes when scaling occurs.  In Hardy, I simply removed powernowd and that did the trick.  But in Karmic, that no longer exists so I can't do that.  Any advice?
[01:58] <Darkr> brb, I'm going to try doing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7602572
[02:11] <Darkr> I just wanted to say nevermind, but thank you for your help.  Someone in another channel (#ubuntu+1) was able to help me.
[02:40] <NCommander> apw, belated ping, I know the kernel currently FTBFSIng on SPARC, I hope to get you revised patchs soon, but its hard to work on my sparc box whiel I'm at debconf. I should be able to do something once I'm in Ireland tomorrow morning
[02:46] <johanbr> Darkr, easiest way would be to change the cpufreq governor, for instance using the cpufreq-applet
[02:52] <gj> anyone using an acer?
[02:52] <gj> laptop?
[02:54] <gj> anyone using an acer laptop?
[11:45] <Athunye> Hello. Since the update to 2.6.28-14 some pages like yahoo.com, scrib.com and some other won't load. In karmic they do load and so with arch linux.
[12:11] <Athunye> I think it is not a flash problem because I even purged it. In links I can load those web pages, though.
[12:11] <Athunye> I tried opera, and epiphany-browser as well.
[14:26] <reisi> are there any updates on lzma support in perhaps 9.04 kernels? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177634
[14:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 177634 in linux "squashfs kernel module does not support lzma" [Medium,Won't fix]
[14:26] <reisi> it's currently targeted at Milestone "later"...
[14:34] <amitk> reisi: it is marked as "Wont fix" for 9.04
[14:38] <reisi> amitk: well hopefully it'll get into 9.10 then.. or is it in the mainline already? squashfs+lzma seems superb backup solution if you need to image a fs with huge number of files..


[18:15] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:42] <olly> morning
[18:50] <ajmitch> morning
[18:55] <olly> http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/Images/Banners/Slidersup_AUAgreement_VA_NZ_en_20130219090759.jpg
[18:55] <olly> at least they spelled Christchurch right
[18:58] <Atamira> MORNING
[18:58] <Atamira> oops
[19:59] <snail> looks like i won my war with apache config. the required line was <ProxyMatch ^(?!.*/oai.*).*$> which is depressingly complex
[20:25] <olly> snail: you shouldn't need the middle .* there AFAICS
[20:25] <snail> olly: at this point, since it works I'm not touching it
[20:26] <olly> i can understand that


[02:05] <pleia2> mhall119: ever find a summary for the app dev stuff? I still don't have content for a blog post and it's supposed to start tomorrow
[02:06] <pleia2> I don't think it's been announced anywhere, didn't get in UWN
[02:06] <pleia2> (maybe it was on a mailing list?)
[04:40] <nigelb> what are the changes.
[04:40] <nigelb> *chances
[04:40] <nigelb> I read up on nzpug mailing list about timers
[04:41] <nigelb> and it turns out to be cgoldberg's blog :)
[04:41] <hobgoblin> hi nigelb
[04:41] <nigelb> Hey hobgoblin, you're up early :)
[04:41] <ajmitch> nigelb: it's a small world, you know :P
[04:41] <hobgoblin> tell me about it :(
[04:42] <nigelb> ajmitch: yeah :D
[04:42] <nigelb> hobgoblin: I was up at 4 am too. I know the feel.
[04:42] <hobgoblin> lol
[04:42] <nigelb> And the weather here makes me want to snuggle under the blankets :)
[04:42] <ajmitch> nigelb: you're in NZ already? :)
[04:43] <nigelb> ajmitch: Nah. Not yet. Haha.
[04:43] <ajmitch> then you don't know what cold is
[04:43] <nigelb> lol
[04:43] <nigelb> It's 15 in AKL? *brrrr*
[04:44] <ajmitch> luxury
[04:44] <nigelb> It's pleasant 20s in Bangalore. Today's run was amazing too :)
[06:47] <toddy> Moin
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <dholbach> I have an off-topic question, but I need to get a new mobile today (mine didn't survive the WE) - which ones do you have? can you recommend them? what doesn't work so well?
[08:05] <dholbach> I tried to do some research last night, but the sheer mass of different phones makes it quite hard
[08:09] <hobgoblin> mornign dholbach
[08:10] <hobgoblin> I'd answer you - but my idea of a mobile is one that costs £10 and phones and texts ...
[08:14] <nigelb> dholbach: Are you looking for a smart phone or one that does calls and texts?
[08:16] <nigelb> If you're out for a smart phone, I've heard good things about Galaxy Nexus series (SII in particular), and the Note (if you're comfortable with such a large thing), and there's always the iPhone but may involve needing to deal with iTunes (never pleasant).
[08:16] <hobgoblin> nigelb: I'd ssupect the former :)
[08:17] <nigelb> hobgoblin: heh, me too.
[08:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:20] <hobgoblin> morning
[08:21] <jussi> dholbach: I have an N9 (actually N950) and love it, but the lack of apps is a big downer. I have also owned a Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro and its real nice, if a bit plastically
[08:22] <jussi> I have a samsung wave with bada, which is rubbish
[08:22] <hobgoblin> jussi: send it to me then :)
[08:22] <jussi> and the next planned phone will be a Galaxy Note.
[08:22] <jussi> hobgoblin: its owned by the company, sorry
[08:22] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:23] <jussi> hobgoblin: Ive a zte blade with a cracked screen if you want it :P
[08:23] <hobgoblin> :)
[08:23] <jussi> I just noticed somethign, I have way too many pgones
[08:23] <dholbach> up until yesterday I had an "old phone" which did calls and text messages and had lots of battery life - I'm not sure I have many use-cases for a smart phone
[08:23] <jussi> dholbach: ahh, a "feature phone" :P
[08:25] <dholbach> thanks a lot for your answers - I have to admit I'm still confused :)
[08:25] <hobgoblin> so would I be dholbach
[08:25] <jussi> dholbach: you might want to consider *gasp* a nokia thing with symbian and a touchscreen keyboad combo. ie. http://www.gigantti.fi/product/puhelimet-ja-gps/matkapuhelimet/NOK303GRAPHIT/nokia-asha-303-grafiitin-harmaa
[08:28] <jussi> That should give you battery life, plus email and a few smartphones features that can be useful, at a nice budget price
[08:29] <dholbach> cool
[08:29] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[08:29] <dholbach> I guess I'll just take the dog for a walk and see what I come home with
[08:29] <dholbach> I really need to get the phone now - hearing text messages come in you can't read is horrible :)
[08:29] <jussi> hehe
[08:29] <dholbach> so see you in a bit
[08:29] <jussi> laters
[10:34] <czajkowski> hows folks?
[10:38] <jussi> czajkowski: o/
[10:38] <jussi> dholbach: did you get a new "handy" :D
[10:38] <dholbach> haha
[10:38] <dholbach> yes, another "old school phone"
[10:39] <jussi> dholbach: what did you get?
[10:39] <dholbach> I wanted to have something new immediately and something I don't have to charge every hour
[10:39] <dholbach> a Nokia C2 something
[10:39] <jussi> ahh yes
[10:40] <jussi> walk in, do you have something I dont have to charge every hour and is in stock? yes sir, here you are. pay, walk out.
[10:40] <jussi> dholbach: something like that?
[10:40] <czajkowski> simples
[10:40] <jussi> :ds
[10:40] <dholbach> yes, very much like that :)
[10:45] <alourie> dholbach: that's a bad phone
[10:45] <czajkowski> alourie: not if you just want to make calls and sms
[10:45] <dholbach> alourie, I guess I'll find out over time :-)
[10:45] <czajkowski> it does what it says on the tin
[10:45] <alourie> czajkowski: my mother in law has it
[10:46] <alourie> it's terrible
[10:46] <dholbach> alourie, anything I should particularly watch out for?
[10:46] <alourie> dholbach: sound quality
[10:46] <alourie> it's sometimes unbearable
[10:46] <alourie> but
[10:46] <alourie> it may be this specific one's problem
[10:47] <alourie> I hope your will be ok
[10:47] <alourie> *yours
[10:48] <dholbach> it is ok - just did a test call
[10:48] <alourie> dholbach: when you buy it, check it in place
[10:48] <alourie> :-)
[10:48] <alourie> ok
[10:50] <daker> hi
[11:58] <daker> and say hello to the new internet meme http://memegenerator.net/instance/22144465
[12:01] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:39] <czajkowski> herro
[12:43] <daker> o/
[14:18] <jcastro> dpm: wow, lots of app-dev tag activity over the weekend
[14:19] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, trying to cope with all the questions right now, that's awesome :) jokerdino and mhall119 have been rocking at answering them too
[14:21] <jokerdino> wait, no.. i just subscribed to the tag :)
[14:22] <dpm> there you go, just subscribed and already rocking the tag
[14:27] <mhall119> dpm: do you want to try one of these on-air hangouts?
[14:28] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, let's go for it.
[14:29] <czajkowski> mhall119: link? and can anyone join?
[14:29] <mhall119> huh...gotta verify a youtube account
[14:29] <dpm> mhall119, ok, you're starting it, then?
[14:29] <dpm> czajkowski, we're on it :)
[14:29] <mhall119> dpm: yeah
[14:30] <dpm> cool
[14:30] <mhall119> hmmmm, I verified, now it wants me to upload a video
[14:32] <dpm> weird
[14:32] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/fc24944c2b76d41df9fe5985c41755fea3abf986?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:37] <czajkowski> popey: you're such a fecker!
[14:37] <popey> :D
[14:37] <jokerdino> o.O
[14:37] <jokerdino> PG-13 room right? :D
[14:38] <czajkowski> talk about giving a person a heart attack
[14:38] <jokerdino> jcastro: not sure if you have already discussed this, dpm created the ubuntuappshowdown tag and was looking for it.
[14:43] <jcastro> dpm: yeah I removed that tag
[14:43] <jcastro> we didn't really need it, I think just dumping everything into app-dev works better
[14:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: mhall119 https://plus.google.com/photos/102921374554385564572/albums/5730819334465556225/5755292385275560226
[14:46] <cjohnston> not as good
[14:46] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:47] <AlanBell> jokerdino: "feck" is an irish word that is apparently not very rude, we tend to believe czajkowski when she claims that
[14:47] <czajkowski> it is you should know
[14:47] <czajkowski> cjohnston: it's the caption that makes this though
[14:48] <jokerdino> i know feck is an irish word. i have read paddy clark hahaha :) (which is actually more vulgar)
[14:48] <mhall119> AlanBell: I think she means "not very rude for the Irish"
[14:48] <jokerdino> actually i am not sure what i am talking about. goes off to scoot.
[14:48] <mhall119> which is entirely different from "not very rude"
[14:49] <czajkowski> mhall119: indeed
[14:51] <jokerdino> i am trying to make some sense here.
[15:01] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:02] <dpm> jcastro, no worries re: the tag, I was just curious as to what had happened to it
[15:02] <jono_> hey dholbach
[15:02] <jono_> all set?
[15:02] <dholbach> yep
[15:02] <jono_> cool one sec
[15:03] <jono_> dpm, the button on http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/participate/ doesnt work
[15:04] <dpm> jono_, mhall119 is setting up the hangout right now
[15:04] <jono_> ahh cool
[15:04] <jono_> mhall119, be sure to record it :-)
[15:04] <mhall119> http://youtu.be/UwbRQUCb5XM
[15:04] <jono_> mhall119, I can see you live
[15:04] <mhall119> can everyone see that?
[15:04] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes
[15:05] <czajkowski> mhall119: yes and I can hear you
[15:06] <dpm> yeah, here too
[15:06] <mhall119> everybody please join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:06] <dpm> jono_, yeah, we've been making tests before we started. popey and his wild stare were also featured in the test
[15:07] <czajkowski> lol
[15:07] <dpm> mhall119, is the youtube link the one to use, or do we need a G+ one?
[15:10] <jcastro> hey what are we doing?
[15:11] <jcastro> oh this is the workshop
[15:16] <jono_> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3b1947c021d4cb9bf8cd1ee932ac8348e97b983a?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:16] <jono_> jcastro, intro to Python
[15:16] <dholbach> jono_, en route
[15:27] <pleia2> dpm, mhall119, can you guys please keep the classroom team a bit more in the loop about sessions? we never got anything to post on the blog, and didn't realize these would be g+ based
[15:28] <pleia2> we should probably talk about how to handle g+ sessions, folks who are on slower connections or at work during them can't view them, so we need to make sure we set appropriate expectations
[15:31] <cjohnston> pleia2: hangouts on air ftw :-)
[15:31] <pleia2> cjohnston: nothing wrong with them, but I'm the one who has to deal with flak when people complain that they thought things on the classroom schedule are irc-based ;)
[15:32] <cjohnston> I don't disagree.. Was just commenting about the not being able to view them.. they will still be able to view, just not live
[15:34] <cjohnston> although I don't think it would be a bad thing to expand the classroom outside of just IRC, just need to ensure that IRC doesn't get abandoned
[15:35] <pleia2> we just need better communication, if we were given the opportunity to announce how these would go I'd feel a lot more comfortable about it, but in spite of asking I never got anything
[15:36] <cjohnston> sure
[15:48] <czajkowski> rather cool I can see dpm on various screens in the office here
[15:48] <czajkowski> looks cool!
[15:49] <dpm> :)
[15:56] <jcastro> popey: the slower rate of video encodes is awesome
[15:56] <jcastro> they're still posting content to the ubuntudeveloper channel
[15:57] <jcastro> it's really extending the content. :)
[16:18] <Pici> Where should we be directing folks asking about the developer workshop things?
[16:18] <Pici> -classroom?
[16:20] <Pici> looks like it, going with that.
[16:20] <cjohnston> Pici: provided there is anyone in there to ask about it
[16:21] <cjohnston> (answer questions)
[16:21] <pleia2> maybe -classroom-chat (no one is talking in -classroom and it's moderated)
[16:24] <Pici> pleia2: I provided both channel names :)
[16:25] <pleia2> \o/
[16:37] <dholbach> jono_, mail sent - more tomorrow
[16:37]  * dholbach calls it a day
[16:38] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[16:38] <bkerensa> mhall119: do we have a ETA on getting a AWS instance up for SUMO Evaluation?
[16:40] <mhall119> bkerensa: not today :)
[16:40] <bkerensa> mhall119: ;) sounds good
[16:55] <akgraner> Does anyone know who runs this youtube site? - http://www.youtube.com/user/planetubuntu
[17:05] <bkerensa> akgraner: maybe https://twitter.com/#!/boredandbloggin since he runs @planetubuntu on twitter?
[17:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, nope  - I would have access to it if he did
[17:06] <bkerensa> huh
[17:06] <akgraner> bkerensa, he doesn't
[17:07] <akgraner> I don't think this is an official channel and some of our Connect vidoes are up without attribution and my boss asked me to look into it - that's all
[17:08] <Andy80> hi all
[17:11] <Andy80> I'd like to bring your attention to this project https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuReleaseSprint :) I talked about it during the last UDS with dpm , Jono and Daniel Holbach. Then I was a bit busy with other things, but... anyway, please give it a look and feel free to comment or improve the wiki etc..., thanks :)
[17:18] <balloons> hi Andy80 ..
[17:19] <Andy80> balloons: hi
[17:20] <balloons> folks are a bit busy today with the app developer showcase, but your idea is interesting
[17:20] <balloons> is this intended for community blueprints?
[17:21] <Andy80> oh thanks! Sorry if I didn't ping you back before, but I was really busy (moved to another country for 3 months) now I've finally a bit of spare time
[17:22] <Andy80> it's intended both for community blueprints and all the other stuff discussed during UDS... basically it's a sort of "ok guys, let's see where we are at the moment, let's discuss if we're in time, how we can improve, if we need more help etc..."
[17:23] <Andy80> we don't need to spend a whole week re-capping every blueprint discussed.... I would start with 2 or 3 days and few blueprints. I mean... let's see if it's really useful and productive without spending a whole week 7-8 hours/day
[17:24] <mhall119> jono_: you going to be ready in 30 minutes for the GTK and Glade sessions?
[17:25] <jcastro> hah
[17:25] <jcastro> mpt is awesome
[17:25] <jono_> mhall119, dpm is down for the GTK session
[17:25] <jono_> I am doing the Glade one
[17:25] <mhall119> ok
[17:25] <jcastro> "As for unresponsive and buggy applications, traditionally many open-source developers have thought that “Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow” relieved them from needing to perform standard quality assurance processes such as test suites, error collection, and fuzz testing."
[17:25] <mhall119> dpm: will you be ready then?
[17:25] <balloons> jcastro, lol.. mpt said that?
[17:25] <jono_> I can join the GTK session to help though if needed
[17:26] <jcastro> balloons: yeah on reddit
[17:26] <jono_> mhall119, I am definitely free for the Glade session
[17:26] <mhall119> jono_: it seems to help having 2 people, even if it's just one to monitor questions
[17:26] <jono_> mhall119, ok, I will join in a supporting role
[17:26] <jono_> lets see if dpm is free
[17:27] <balloons> Andy80, well.. although it's not blueprints, g+ is being used right now to do the Ubuntu App Developer Showdown Workshops
[17:28] <balloons> Andy80, http://smarturl.it/ubuntuappshowdown
[17:29] <Andy80> balloons: cool :) my idea is having a small group discussing live (maybe the people working on that task) and the other people from home can make questions using the chat.
[17:29] <dpm> jono_, mhall119, yes, I was already planning to run the gtk3 session
[17:30] <Andy80> it doesn't cost like an UDS and allows people that in any other case would have not attended, to attend and give their opinion
[17:30] <dpm> Andy80, we're happy to discuss this, but right now we're a bit busy with the live Ubuntu App Developer Workshops
[17:31] <dpm> Personally, I think it would be a good idea, but not as a replacement for UDS
[17:31] <Andy80> dpm: yeah, balloons told me and I'm also following the live video :) I'll ping you back next week if you want and we can continue discussing this... or maybe tell me which one is the more appropriate mailing list...
[17:32] <Andy80> dpm: no no! not an UDS replacement.... something to fit in the middle between two UDSs
[17:33] <jono_> dpm, cool, I might join it too if that is ok
[17:33] <dpm> never!
[17:34] <dpm> jono_, absolutely :), I'm going to join the Quickly session in a few mins too, I'm just preparing the last touches to the gtk3 session
[17:34] <jono_> thanks dpm
[17:36] <mhall119> dpm: let me know if you need another invite
[17:36] <dpm> ok, cool, will try to join in a few
[17:49] <jcastro> pleia2: woo that userdays WI!
[17:53] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah :D still need to fill a couple slots but we're mostly set for UD on saturday
[17:55] <mhall119> dpm: I'm going to hop off during your session for lunch
[17:56] <dpm> mhall119, no worries, go for it
[18:00] <jono_> dpmwhere do I join the hangout?
[18:00] <jono_> dpm where do I join the hangout?
[18:01] <dpm> mhall119, can you invite jono_?
[18:01] <mhall119> I did, I'll invite him again
[18:01] <mhall119> sent
[18:05] <dpm> can you guys see me?
[18:22] <mhall119> doing sessions on G+ hangouts really needs better comment/chat integration
[18:22] <AlanBell> mhall119: could be done
[18:23] <AlanBell> embed the live youtube thingie in a page with IRC web client in it
[18:24] <AlanBell> or . . . someone could write a desktop application during the next three weeks to do just that . . .
[18:24] <mhall119> +1
[18:25] <mhall119> but the youtube feed also has comments, the G+ status update has it's own comments, and then we have the IRC comments
[18:27] <AlanBell> right, so such an app would need to sort that somehow
[18:49] <czajkowski> evening folks
[18:56] <cprofitt> afternoon czajkowski
[20:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: ping if you're free later can you drop me a ping, need to set up a FAQ on AU please.
[20:23] <paultag> czajkowski: I just had some salt water taffy and thought of you :)
[20:23] <czajkowski> paultag: tease
[20:23] <czajkowski> also
[20:23]  * czajkowski hugs paultag hey there
[20:23]  * paultag hugs czajkowski
[20:23] <paultag> missed you :)
[20:23] <czajkowski> alwasy miss my taggy!
[20:24] <czajkowski> even when you're being a fecker :)m
[20:24] <paultag> awww! :)
[20:24] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/ZfBQ2.jpg ← didn't learn about this in drivers ed
[20:24] <paultag> czajkowski: what's new?
[20:24] <paultag> How's things?
[20:24] <czajkowski> paultag: good thanks mad busy, and love it. Heading to paris on thursday for sisters birthday so should be some fun
[20:25] <paultag> czajkowski: oh, sweet!
[20:28] <czajkowski> yup
[20:28] <czajkowski> paultag: hows life with you? working away and keeping out of trouble I hope
[20:28] <paultag> czajkowski: I'm always causing trouble :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> this is true :)
[20:28] <paultag> czajkowski: Life's grand, work's awesome, love my gig. Working on becoming a DD, Just got approved by the DAM, which is a good sign :)
[20:28] <czajkowski> ah good to hear
[20:29] <czajkowski> liking the blog posts
[20:29] <paultag> that way I can be cranky and people will understand why :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: aw, thanks!
[20:29]  * czajkowski needs to go back to blogging, just not got stuff to blog about really
[20:29] <czajkowski> paultag: like you need a reason
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: I've been doing iron-blogger with a bunch of my friends, so if I don't blog once a week, I owe money :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, that's true :)
[20:29] <paultag> czajkowski: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20111120-00
[20:30] <czajkowski> paultag: I've been doing a photo desktop a week , which has proved entertaining
[20:30] <paultag> czajkowski: I saw some of your FB posts and giggled
[20:30] <czajkowski> I do like todays https://plus.google.com/102921374554385564572/posts/V7NANEn2mo3
[20:31] <paultag> czajkowski: hahahaha
[20:31] <paultag> oh that's great
[20:31] <czajkowski> <--- easily amused on a monday morning
[20:31] <paultag> oh man, it is a monday isn't it
[20:31] <paultag> barf
[21:27] <jono> mhall119, ready in two mins
[21:27] <jono> balloons, can we chat after I chat to mhall119?
[21:28] <balloons> sure
[21:28] <jono> thanks
[21:33] <jono> mhall119, ok, lets rol
[21:33] <jono> roll
[21:33] <mhall119> ready
[21:34] <jono> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/0f9e431d4f64220a1b6cbda5f0bb32a2e48cd1fa?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:48] <jono> balloons, all set?
[21:49] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b4dff183bbc5c37ae67c6c9d04433811ccc08541?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[21:53] <balloons> coming


 We aren't an official flavor.
 We are basically training for it
 I'm the lead. Thank you for showing love ❤
 @KajiiNarumiChat
 But hey, I work with people from the mainstream
 So we aren't part of the flavors, but we are part of the family
 😃😃😃 (re @ItzSwirlz: I'm the lead. Thank you for showing love ❤)
 Anyone know whos the guy to talk to about theming design via IRC?
 That reminds me to actually get the wallpapers in other than the official colors of UL with the fossa
 I tried Cinnamon on Linux mint, but I didn't like Linux mint, although I liked Cinnamon. (re @ItzSwirlz: So we aren't part of the flavors, but we are part of the family)
 I see what you mean (re @KajiiNarumiChat: I tried Cinnamon on Linux mint, but I didn't like Linux mint, although I liked Cinnamon.)
 That's where the LM Vs UC difference is. Linux Mint comes with lots of their own maintained software installed
 We rely more on GNOME software
 Yes, yes ... I like that the flavors in Ubuntu are different, Ubuntu Gnome is not equal to Fedora Gnome, Xubuntu is not equal to Manjaro, and Ubuntu Cinnamon remix is not equal to Linux mint. (re @ItzSwirlz: We rely more on GNOME software)
 At work Ubuntu Studio is super functional for me. At home I have Ubuntu. And in this new lts I thought it would be official Cinnamon, even so I want to leave it as the only distro on my pc
 please retweet all flavor release tweets
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu_mate/status/1253382564221464578
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1253382547171663881
 Sorry, I don't speak English, it's difficult for me to translate (re @ItzSwirlz: We rely more on GNOME software)
 https://twitter.com/ubuntustudio/status/1253378716362629120
 I did some
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1253378475295232003
 Any that @UbuntuCinnamon missed?
 https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Kylin/status/1253377716801302534
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1253331338456776704
 (waits)
 https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1253492395448193026
 (waits again)
 aaandd?
 @philipz https://twitter.com/UbuntuCinnamon/status/1253294147844308992
 thanks was just about to do it :D
 xD
 You're the best
 😍😍😍😍
 omg i have an idea
 no need to retwet all at once, you can space them out :D
 xd (re @philipz: no need to retwet all at once, you can space them out :D)
 I did all 9, waiting for UbuntuDDE
 and the last one https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1253365222825512963
 Oh god
 thx
[02:10] <valorie> lubuntu, no image in your tweet?
[02:10] <valorie> that gets more attention....
 was a blog post (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <valorie> that gets more attention....)
 none for xubuntu as well :D
[02:10] <valorie> tomorrow is another day!
[02:11] <valorie> add images before tweeting if you want attention
[02:11] <valorie> thanks @philipz
[02:11] <valorie> all rt'd
 Luckily I know marketing tactics with art!
 any time valorie
[02:12] <valorie> sometimes it's hard to come up with something for my genealogy society, but I try to add *something*
 was thinking that us flavors should likely do a survey similar to the one ubuntu did - https://twitter.com/rhys_the_davies/status/1253244019267768320
[02:13] <valorie> all-test tweets get far fewer likes or rt's
 Ubuntu Cinnamon 20.04 is stable version? (re @ItzSwirlz: That's where the LM Vs UC difference is. Linux Mint comes with lots of their own maintained software installed)
 @philipz Would you count remixes too? Or leave it to the 7 official flavors.
 yes
 yes (re @KajiiNarumiChat: Ubuntu Cinnamon 20.04 is stable version?)
 did it for him (re @KaiLoveLinux: @philipz Would you count remixes too? Or leave it to the 7 official flavors.)
 for the only avail one
[02:14] <valorie> sounds like a good survey
[02:15] <valorie> otoh we basically give people all KDE software
[02:15] <valorie> so unsure how much it would guide us
 each individual flavor would likely do their own survey, as they would likely have unique questions that they'd want to ask their users
 but we could all coordinate doing it together to give as much PR as possible to them
 I plan to write the "pre-release" survey for Ubuntu Lumina, so I can see what people know, where I need to focus, and other things.
 which survey platform were you thinking to use @KaiLoveLinux
 👍 (re @ItzSwirlz: yes)
 Google Forums as I am not fond of others that I have tried, others would be an option I'd take if recommended to me. (re @philipz: which survey platform were you thinking to use @KaiLoveLinux)
 valorie: know any good survey platforms?
[02:18] <valorie> survey monkey?
 has kubuntu used them before?
[02:19] <valorie> or you can go all-text and do ranked-choice voting
[02:19] <valorie> not that I know of
[02:19] <valorie> KDE uses them sometimes though
 well lets all checkout possibilities and return with our findings some time soon. i know we all need a break now that the release is out the door :D
 XD

 from ubuntu's survey https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/7559/flavour.png
 it is wide and tank-like (re @ItzSwirlz: XD)
 there was a request for flavors (re @philipz: from ubuntu's survey https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/7559/flavour.png)
 got people to say "Cinnamon"
 (cough)
 nvm
 the numbers seem exactly what i'd expect
 this one was a bit odd for me as xubuntu was higher than kubuntu https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/b020/whatisyourprime.png
[02:26] <valorie> I never heard about this survey
[02:26] <valorie> tsk tsk to popey
[02:26] <dax> maybe xubuntu tweeted it out and kubuntu didn't, or something
[02:27] <dax> really hard to get a representative sample for linux community surveys
[02:28] <dax> you can do everything right and then someone posts a link on some advocacy subreddit and throws everything off
[02:29] <valorie> yep
[02:29] <valorie> kubuntu isn't all I do, so I miss some stuff
[02:30] <Eickmeyer> I also never heard about the survey. Probably why Studio never tweeted it out.
 The snaps result is quite interesting "Our sentiment analysis revealed something quite interesting with snaps. There was an almost even split between negative, neutral and positive comments at 30.1%, 33.5% and 36.3%, respectively."
[02:32] <valorie> thank goodness for the -flavors chan
[02:32] <valorie> so we can all more easily stay informed
 i think my thick skull is giving in.😇 may I please discuss my difficulty here, before  committing my self to launching a bug? (re @philipz: bugs should be reported on launchpad, but can be discussed here to know if others are aware of an already existing bug)

 :D (re @KajiiNarumiChat: )
 Be careful with partitioning
 do you have already good existing partitions setup?
 /home  & / (re @ItzSwirlz: do you have already good existing partitions setup?)
[02:36] <valorie> @first_sheemon of course
 gr8
 got a good efi?
 only legacity
 no windows in my pc 😎
 yes of course (re @first_sheemon: i think my thick skull is giving in.😇 may I please discuss my difficulty here, before  committing my self to launching a bug?)
  (re @ItzSwirlz: got a good efi?)
 okay you should be fine
 😳😳😳 the seed is stop... (re @ItzSwirlz: :D)
 ah great, it was a torrent? oof (re @KajiiNarumiChat: 😳😳😳 the seed is stop...)
 i know someone else was hosting it for me
 0kB/s  download :
 Thanx.
 oh
 dear lord
 maybe grab the torrent file instead
 xD :
 sadly couldnt get the fossa as a png and get it converted well but i tried
 why not
 wasn't it an svg, so it should be easy to convert it
 So btw guys you can also change your gdm3 colors
 there is a css stylesheet of some sort or something
 so i will do that stuff tomorrow
 quality though (re @philipz: why not)
 gimp isnt best with svg
 but i do plan on making more ubuntu emojis
 also glad i fixed ubuntuthinking :

 everyone send me ur fav emojis and ill ubuntu them
 seems fine when i've done it (re @ItzSwirlz: gimp isnt best with svg)
 Hm
 anyways is there a tool to change color of theme
 E.g yaru theme
 To show a preferred hex
 Like a good theme builder
 🥴- Best emoki
 🥴- Best emoji (edited)
  (re @ItzSwirlz: everyone send me ur fav emojis and ill ubuntu them)
 🐺 (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/g766in/kubuntu_2004_lts_with_a_bit_of_buntu_branding_on/
 What is used as a SoftwareCenter replacement these days?
 i use synaptic :D
 I'm on UbuntuMATE... there is sofware boutique, but that installs stuff via snaps which I don't want to.
 There is gnome-software and ubuntu-software
 I wonder :)
 so I had software-boutique installed
 but it was not visible in menus
 typing software-boutique in terminal yielded 'you do not have ubuntu-mate-welcome snap installed'
 @wimpress why is ubuntu-mate-welcome needed for software-boutique?
 I actually meant - is this by-design or is it a bug? :D
 I’ll tweeting (re @philipz: joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#)
 Groovy. Gorilla
 ok then
 Actually is cinnamon remix allowed to join (re @philipz: joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#)
 from what i understand, the boutique is part of welcome, so that would be why (re @MrkiMike: I actually meant - is this by-design or is it a bug? :D)
 i wouldn't mind but it maybe a decision that canonical/ubuntu would have to make (re @ItzSwirlz: Actually is cinnamon remix allowed to join)
 True
 xubuntu has released its what's new video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_uVSNnIGY
 alright. meta updated to 0.2 for groovy, gpg key is currently publishing to lp
 Ubuntu 20.10 Groovy Gorilla Release Schedule has been posted: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531
 Apr 30: Toolchain Updated
 July 02: Ubuntu Testing Week
 August 27: Feature Freeze, Debian Import Freeze
 Sept 03: Ubuntu Testing Week
 Sept 17: UI Freeze
 Sep 24: Doc String Freeze
 Oct 01: Beta
 Oct 08: Kernel, Non-lang pack trans deadline
 Oct 15: Final, RC, LP Trans deadline
 Oct 22: Rel
 So with Ubuntu’s icon theme when an error occurs and the report a problem opens, with UC’s icon theme it shows Numix icon. What file would that be
 Does anyone know
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 Where is there not many seeders?Or is my computer just not connecting to all the trackers? :
 or perhaps you're behind NAT so nobody can connect to you 😜
 which client you using? (re @troyBORG: )
 qBittorrent Enhanced (re @philipz: which client you using?)
 is there an enhanced version of qbittorrent as i havent heard about it

 Yeah it looks like my Pfsense was blocking stuff going to the BT client.. :
 Lots of the trackers just say "Not contacted yet". :
  (re @philipz: is there an enhanced version of qbittorrent as i havent heard about it)Got it from the AUR.... :
[19:29] <ubuntutestingbot> [irc] <popey> test
 uh, fail
[19:30] <popey> lets try that again
 this one still works?
[19:39] <popey> yes
[19:43] <jpeisach> test
[19:44] <jpeisach> uh
[19:44] <jpeisach> ok?
[19:44] <jpeisach> Test
[19:44] <jpeisach> Hmm still not orking
 ugh
 thanks
[19:44] <jpeisach> cd ..
[19:44] <jpeisach> pfft great job
[19:44] <jpeisach> ja
[19:44] <jpeisach> @popey still can't join
 On 20.04 Ubuntu when you r not on the main keyboard language SUPER key don't work
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 Ubuntu Cinnamon has had their first patreon donation
[22:22] <valorie> nice!
[22:22] <valorie> and we're off to the groovy gorilla races, friends
 congrats
 it feels so weird like
 typing "groovy" as a distribution
[22:26] <valorie> it will be awhile before the old Simon & Garfunkel song stops playing in my head
[22:26] <valorie> :-)
 did you use Focal Fossa_white_RGB.svg from http://people.ubuntu.com/~flexiondotorg/Focal_Fossa_Wallpapers.tar.xz (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 Yes
 when you imported it into gimp, did you import it at a higher resolution?
 i Y'll
 Can someone help me define this little irritation?
 On the Dell Inspiron 13-7535 (any similar touchpad?), ignoring the touchscreen for a moment,
 the mouse cursor seems to get "stuck".  What seems to de-stick it is a sharp rap on the keypad with a finger.  However, I think I may have managed to improve on this fuzzyness.
 When a switch is clicked on a screen button, the cursor refuses to move afterwards.
 A rap event restores normal operation.
 Again, I am not sure what package to associate with this behavior; it could be a kernel driver, or a "virtual mouse" layer, it that still exists in Linux, or something else altogether.
 Any help will be appreciated.
 which flavor are you on?
 oops!  20.04, generated on 3-April, up to date ?)
 KDE...
 I would say that first you should test other flavors to see if the same thing happens and that would tell you if it's a flavor or linux issue.
 If it's a linux issue the  you'd file against the linux package as mouse drivers come from there I believe.
 Makes sense, but only one little machine here
 you can test multiple distros on a single machine
 you dont have to install it, run the live session after copying the iso onto a USB
 you can also install the flavor on a USB if you run the ISO in a VM
 and then run the installed version of the USB
 Low level drivers for sure. Next week, when I have more than one small partition...
 none of these options i mentioned would touch your hard disk
 yes!  how forgetful I am.  Thanx.
 perfect way to test flavors and distros before committing to them. i have an external usb hard disk and made space on it for an installation and can always wipe that partition if i want to try out another flavor/distro
[23:36] <valorie> one day in my travel laptop my HD died right before I needed to be at a library help session (genealogy)
[23:36] <valorie> so I just burned a USB and used the live session for those hours
[23:36] <valorie> before buying a nice shiny SSD
[23:37] <valorie> my Mac-using friend was incredulous that it was even possible
 yep my hard disk failed a few months ago and i was running of a live session with extra USB to keep my files between reboots
 running off* a
[23:37] <valorie> I told him, well if I shut mine now, you could do the same thing with this USB!
[23:37] <valorie> even on his aging mac
[23:38] <valorie> I don't think he believed me
 yep alot of old Macs are coming to linux as they can no longer get software updates. which is great.
[23:41] <valorie> yup


[07:31] <noodles775> Hi jtv - do you know if anyone's working on the current buildbot failure? lp/translations/doc/gettext-check-messages.txt
[07:31] <jtv> noodles775: no idea; let me check my irc backlog
[07:32] <jtv> noodles775: nothing in my backlog... was late logging in.
[07:32] <noodles775> jtv: thanks - I can't see a failure email either... do you? If not, I'll check why the email didn't get sent.
[07:33] <jtv> I'm checking my mailbox, but I may already have deleted it if I got it.
[07:33] <jtv> failure on jscheck...
[07:33] <noodles775> yeah, saw that one.
[07:35] <jtv> checking trash now
[07:35] <noodles775> jtv: do you mind doing the testfix? It looks like it was danilos r8643... we need to get it fixed asap in case the other later changes have issues too :/
[07:36] <jtv> noodles775: oh, it's a real test breakage?  Been a while since we saw one of those...
[07:37] <noodles775> yep
[07:37] <jtv> on db-devel?
[07:37] <noodles775> https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/waterfall
[07:41] <jtv> noodles775: a sucky one, but definitely one in my neck of the woods
[07:41] <noodles775> Thanks jtv!
[07:49] <jtv> noodles775: bug 476218
[07:49] <mup> Bug #476218: Buildbot failure on db-devel: unique violation on POTranslation <Launchpad Translations:In Progress> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/476218>
[07:49] <noodles775> Thanks jtatum
[07:49] <noodles775> jtv (sorry)
[07:50] <jtv> jtatum: if I were you I'd figure out what IRC client(s) these folks are using, and file a bug for over-aggressive nick completion!
[07:53] <jtv> noodles775: bad news.  The unique constraint that's being violated is on the primary key.
[07:53] <noodles775> :/
[07:53] <jtv> In other words, somehow it became possible to create objects with ids that were already taken.
[07:54] <noodles775> Where's stub when you need him ;)
[07:55]  * noodles775 pulls db-devel
[08:02] <noodles775> jtv: running `bin/test -vv -t fix_translation_credits.txt -t gettext-check-messages.txt` gives a different error again.
[08:03] <noodles775> as if these tests are dependent on being run in some order.
[08:03] <jtv> as if they forget to mark the database as dirty maybe?
[08:04] <noodles775> al-maisan: I just noticed this is a branch that you reviewed (not that that implies anything other than you might be familiar with it... do you mind taking a look too? It's very urgent that we get this fixed).
[08:05] <al-maisan> noodles775: where's the branch you are alluding to?
[08:06] <noodles775> al-maisan: r8643 db-devel
[08:06] <noodles775> for bug 474874
[08:06] <mup> Bug #474874: Missing DB permissions in fix_translations_credits script <current-rollout-blocker> <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad Translations:Fix Committed by danilo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/474874>
[08:06] <al-maisan> ah, OK.
[08:08] <jtv> noodles775: I get exactly the same error when I run that combination
[08:08] <noodles775> jtv: I just realised why though... I assume we should be running make schema (as there is a db schema security change).
[08:09] <jtv> ah, that's what I did, yes
[08:10] <noodles775> yep, my bad.
[08:10] <jtv> I texted stub
[08:10] <noodles775> Thanks.
[08:11] <al-maisan> jtv: this is very funny .. danilo's branch merely changes schema security settings..
[08:11] <jtv> I haven't spotted any recent changes so far that might've caused this
[08:11] <jtv> al-maisan: I don't think there's any particular reason to suspect that branch in particular, apart from the fact that this happens to be rosetta
[08:12] <al-maisan> hmm..
[08:12] <noodles775> jtv: but it's 100% reproducible isn't it? which means it *has* to be that branch... or did I miss something?
[08:12] <jtv> stub has an idea
[08:13] <noodles775> yay
[08:13] <jtv> there was a zcml branch from a community member that he saw a review pass by for few days ago
[08:13] <jtv> sorry, a branch that affects zcml
[08:14] <jtv> ah, he saw a patch fixing a problem like this (which may still not have gone in!)
[08:14] <jtv> the problem seemed to be something along the lines of objects being created twice
[08:14] <wgrant> I did a ZCML-related duplicate primary key thingy.
[08:14] <wgrant> But it only affects "make harness".
[08:14] <jtv> wgrant: that sounds like the one!
[08:14] <noodles775> wgrant! tell us more...
[08:15] <noodles775> wgrant: now it's affecting our test-run...
[08:15] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/fix-duplicate-harness-zcml/+merge/14464 is the one.
[08:15]  * noodles775 gets a patch
[08:15] <noodles775> paste
[08:15] <jtv> may be same cause
[08:15] <wgrant> It's unlikely to be the same.
[08:15] <wgrant> Hmm.
[08:15] <noodles775> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/311315/
[08:16] <noodles775> You can see it with db-devel r8643 by doing:
[08:16] <wgrant> Ew.
[08:16] <noodles775> bin/test -vv -t fix_translation_credits.txt -t gettext-check-messages.txt
[08:16] <wgrant> Hm, it's not in a script, though.
[08:16] <wgrant> What was the diff that killed it?
[08:18]  * wgrant narrowly avoids swap-death.
[08:18] <jtv> wgrant: we don't know... looks like the last build that _succeeded_ was triggered by a branch of yours, on Wednesday around 18:xx UTC
[08:18] <wgrant> OK, pull nearly done.
[08:18] <noodles775> wgrant: it's turned up on a buildbot run of r8643 - diff http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/311319/
[08:19] <jtv> so looks like everything >8640 is suspect
[08:19] <al-maisan> hmm .. running gettext-check-messages.txt alone passes
[08:19] <jtv> I went through all of those though and saw nothing that might cause this.  :-(
[08:19] <noodles775> al-maisan: yep.
[08:19] <noodles775> wgrant: notice that the diff has a new doctest which *does* run a script.
[08:20] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:20] <wgrant> I wondered what gettext-check-messages.txt had to do with anything.
[08:20] <al-maisan> so, something in fix_translation_credits.txt is breaking things, no?
[08:20] <wgrant> Does fix_translation_credits.txt itself fail?
[08:20] <wgrant> Or does it just break tests run after it?
[08:20]  * al-maisan checks
[08:20] <al-maisan> wgrant: no, it does not fail.
[08:21]  * noodles775 applies wgrant's diff.
[08:21] <wgrant> Probably not related, then.
[08:21] <noodles775> oh, that's for harness.
[08:23]  * jtv tries forcing a dirty database
[08:24] <al-maisan> yeah .. it would seem fix_translation_credits.txt only updates existing records
[08:24] <noodles775> but why does running it together with gettext-check-messages.txt cause the exact failure?
[08:25] <jtv> noodles775: probably because something updates the database in a way that our test framework doesn't notice, but without calling force_dirty_database either
[08:25] <jtv> Known, nasty problem.  Thing is, that shouldn't get us into this particular situation.
[08:25] <wgrant> As long as the test runs in DatabaseLayer, it should be reset every time, right?
[08:25] <jtv> Because this particular situation smacks of an id sequence being reset,
[08:26] <jtv> but the objects that have been created not being cleaned up
[08:26] <wgrant> I don't see code in DatabaseLayer that checks if the DB is dirty.
[08:26] <wgrant> Hm, but it does run in DatabaseLayer.
[08:26] <wgrant> Damn.
[08:26] <adeuring> good morning
[08:26] <jtv> hi adeuring
[08:26] <al-maisan> oh, wait, I see `TranslationMessage` instances being created in potmsgset.updateTranslation()
[08:26] <noodles775> hi adeuring
[08:26] <adeuring> hi jtv!
[08:27] <adeuring> hi noodles775!
[08:27] <jtv> al-maisan: yes, that's what it does
[08:27] <jtv> and that in turn will create a POTranslation (unless one for the exact same string already exists)
[08:27] <al-maisan> i.e. this is not an update-only action
[08:28] <jtv> but we should be looking at fix_translation_credits.txt
[08:28] <al-maisan> jtv: does run_script() flush the db after completion?
[08:28] <jtv> It runs a script.
[08:28] <al-maisan> yes
[08:28] <al-maisan> right.
[08:28] <jtv> It flushes the db, but that's not the issue.  The issue is, there's no way for anyone to know that that script just modified the database.
[08:29] <jtv> So what I'm trying right now is to mark that test as dirtying the db
[08:29] <jtv> (I was a bit slow about this earlier because I was also still on the phone with stub :-)
[08:30] <jtv> yup, that fixes it
[08:30] <al-maisan> jtv: hmm .. sounds promising.
[08:30] <wgrant> I don't see other tests that *just* run_script.
[08:30] <al-maisan> Ah.
[08:30] <jtv> wgrant: we may have them here or there... but they should tell the test setup that the db is dirty
[08:30] <jtv> al-maisan: yes, more than just "promising." :)
[08:30] <al-maisan> jtv: :)
[08:31] <noodles775> Thankyou jtv, wgrant and al-maisan!
[08:31] <jtv> and stub
[08:31] <al-maisan> de nada
[08:31]  * noodles775 's blood pressure drops drastically
[08:31] <noodles775> (yes, and stub of course!)
[08:34] <wgrant> When's the reroll?
[08:34] <noodles775> wgrant: tentatively scheduled for 16:00UTC today
[08:36] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:39] <jtv> who wants to review the fix?
[08:39] <jtv> (still working on the mp)
[08:40] <noodles775> I'll r-c it :)
[08:40] <jtv> noodles775: that was my next question—"are you authorised to RC?"
[08:40] <noodles775> adeuring is todays OCR, but it might be quicker for al-maisan given that he's already familiar with the situation?
[08:40] <noodles775> jtv: yep.
[08:41] <jtv> Do I request a "release-critical" review for that?
[08:41] <noodles775> yes please.
[08:42] <jtv> noodles775: requested
[08:42] <jtv> turns out searching for "noodles" gives 3 little pages of results
[08:42] <jtv> none of which seems to be you
[08:43] <jtv> still, if I did that on google it'd probably be a whole lot worse :)
[08:43] <noodles775> yep, I've only started using that as a nick since starting here (although it was a nickname in high school).
[08:44] <wgrant> Why the 775?
[08:45] <noodles775> noodles is already in use, needed a number
[08:45] <wgrant> Ah.
[08:45] <noodles775> (and i was born in 75 which is probably why a 'random' number ended up being 775 ;) ).
[08:48] <jtv> noodles775: maybe run_script (and equivalents, I think we have 2 of that name already) should just force a dirty db?
[08:49] <noodles775> jtv: yeah, might be worth chatting with BjornT about a longer term solution.
[08:49] <jtv> noodles775: I can think of some... I suspect it's mainly a matter of minimizing performance cost
[08:50] <jtv> also, nowadays, postgres doesn't allocate an xid until you've made changes.  So that could be a way to keep track as well.
[08:50] <jtv> Or maybe the existing mechanisms should have been enough to prevent this particular failure, and there's a bug in that somewhere.
[08:51] <jtv> AIUI the id sequences should be reset to whatever is the highest that's still seen in the table, + 1
[08:51] <jtv> in which case this problem _should_ never have happened.
[08:52] <noodles775> yep.
[09:02] <jtv> noodles775: ec2 instance is setting up
[09:04] <noodles775> jtv: um, for a test-fix, I assumed you'd land it directly on db-devel?
[09:04] <noodles775> jtv: in fact, I think time-wise, we have no option but to do so?
[09:04] <jtv> noodles775: ah, of course.
[09:05] <jtv> noodles775: blame the 'flu or my total inexperience with [testfix], your choice
[09:05] <noodles775> yes, please submit to pqm to land on db-devel.
[09:07] <jtv> the [testfix] comes before the [release-critical=], right?
[09:09] <noodles775> Looking at the log, it seems so:  [testfix][release-critical][r=kiko][ui=rs] Reverting the exposure of
[09:09] <noodles775>         Request and rc from kiko. Using testfix as there was a db init
[09:09] <noodles775>   [testfix][release-critical][r=edwin][ui=none] [bug 320889] Fixed a
[09:09] <mup> Bug #320889: Can't retarget a blueprint <Launchpad Blueprints:Fix Released by sinzui> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/320889>
[09:09] <noodles775> woops, sorry for pasting there.
[09:09] <jtv> hmm... got a regex error nonetheless.  :(
[09:09] <jtv> Now to find why "[testfix][release-critical=noodles][r=adeuring][bug=476218] Fix\n\tbuildbot failure: test failed to force dirty db."
[09:09] <jtv> does not match "(?is)^\\s*\\[testfix\\]\\s*\\[(?:release-critical|rs?=[^\\]]+)\\]"
[09:10] <mrevell> Morning
[09:10] <jtv> hi mrevell, had a chance to look at my scribblings?
[09:10] <jtv> (that's his morning ruined in a hurry :-)
[09:11] <mrevell> will do this morning jtv :)
[09:11] <jtv> :)
[09:11] <noodles775> jtv: it looks like that regex (ie. for testfix when in rc) doesn't want the =noodles bit.
[09:11] <noodles775> that would also fit with the examples I pasted above too.
[09:11] <jtv> noodles775: it says =[^\\]+ before the closing brackets though...
[09:11] <jtv> oh, that's for rs only
[09:11] <mrevell> I have to reboot, back in a sec
[09:11] <noodles775> yep.
[09:12]  * jtv resubmits
[09:12] <jtv> ...and PQM accepts!
[09:16] <noodles775> 3-points - thanks jtv!
[10:43] <wgrant> bigjools: Is your bug #476316 not a dupe of bug #475172 which is also probably a dupe of bug #464161 which already has bug #475566 as a dupe?
[10:43] <mup> Bug #476316: Slony-I: Table emailaddress is replicated and cannot be modified on a subscriber node <current-rollout-blocker> <oops> <Soyuz:In Progress by julian-edwards> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/476316>
[10:43] <mup> Bug #475172: EnsurePerson fails for new maintainers during upload processing <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/475172>
[10:43] <mup> Bug #464161: authdb Store for scripts connecting to incorrect database <Launchpad Foundations:Confirmed for stub> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/464161>
[10:43] <mup> Bug #475566: Slony-I: Table account is replicated and cannot be modified on a subscriber node <Launchpad Translations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/475566>
[10:45] <bigjools> wgrant: sort of, but I still need a local fix
[10:45] <wgrant> Ah.
[10:46] <bigjools> file first, dupe later I say
[10:59] <deryck> Morning, all.
[12:37] <sidnei> salgado: ping
[12:37] <salgado> hi sidnei
[12:37] <sidnei> salgado: found the problem. thankfully i've been bitten by this before.
[12:38] <sidnei> salgado: take a look at _bindUIPicker in picker.js
[12:38] <salgado> sidnei, yay!  will do in a minute
[12:38] <sidnei> salgado: there's a handler for the focus event that's doing e.halt() if e.target !== this._search_input
[12:39] <sidnei> salgado: i think the order that the handlers get dispatched changed, so that handler, which is for the bounding box gets triggered before the more specific handler for the extra-input
[12:40] <salgado> and that handler is to make the focus go to the search input whenever I click on the bounding box?
[12:41] <sidnei> salgado: apparently yeah. i think it should also check if the target isn't an input or some other control. that should fix your issue.
[12:42] <salgado> sidnei, cool, I'll give that a try.  at least now I know where the problem is. :)
[12:42] <salgado> sidnei, thanks a lot!
[12:42] <sidnei> iirc, all this mess is because firefox gets focus events wrong. there are lots of threads out there about it.
[12:53] <Ursinha> bigjools, oi :)
[12:54] <bigjools> Ursinha: oi
[12:54] <Ursinha> bigjools, there's one oops that only  happens to one team, easily reproducible: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1405K1314
[12:55] <Ursinha> bigjools, but only you may know the cause :)
[12:56] <bigjools> Ursinha: I am looking
[12:57] <bigjools> Ursinha: it's a data inconsistency issue, I've no idea why it would get like that
[12:58] <bigjools> basically the build state says it's building but there's no buildqueue record
[12:58] <bigjools> we need to reset the build state
[12:59] <Ursinha> bigjools, yes, then it shows in the list and when you click, boom
[12:59] <Ursinha> bigjools, resetting it is easy to do?
[12:59] <bigjools> needs LOSA + SQL
[13:00] <Ursinha> right
[13:00] <Ursinha> bigjools, I'll file a bug just to keep track
[13:03] <bigjools> BjornT: can you approve the DB query I just added to LPS please
[13:40] <jtatum> lol jtv :)
[13:44] <ursula> oh, I lost a joke from jtv :/
[13:47] <noodles775> for Ursinha : <jtv> jtatum: if I were you I'd figure out what IRC client(s) these folks are using, and file a bug for over-aggressive nick completion!
[13:47] <Ursinha> lol
[13:47] <Ursinha> thanks noodles775 :)
[13:48] <noodles775> :)
[13:48] <jtatum> don't feel bad, Ursinha, it was ~6 hours ago ;)
[13:48] <Ursinha> jtatum, oh! I thought that it happened in the moment I lost connection here :)
[13:50] <bigjools> Ursinha: we didn't say anything bad about you, honest
[13:50] <Ursinha> bigjools, oh, that I don't mind, kinda used to it
[13:50] <Ursinha> :P
[13:51] <bigjools> surely not :)
[13:53] <jtv> jtatum: so... you still think I'm joking?  Make a note to read it again a few months later.  :-)
[13:57] <jtatum> lol
[13:57] <jtatum> jtv, noted ;)
[14:23] <salgado> barry, when you encountered that different rich-root problem, I assume you fixed it by creating a new repo?  if so, what format did you use for it?  I used pack-0.92 but that doesn't support stacking AFAICT
[14:24] <barry> salgado: i used pack-0.92.  i didn't notice if it stacked or not (i /think/ it did but i'm not positive)
[14:24] <barry> salgado: yes, i created a new repo, and used diff/patch to get the change across.  kinda sucked ;)
[14:25] <salgado> barry, indeed, I've just did that.  I think the first format that supports stacking is 1.6, though
[14:29] <barry> salgado: yeah.  stacking's a lp optimization though.  when the format bug is fixed i'll happily let lp consume less disk space ;)
[14:30] <salgado> barry, well, not just that, if you don't use stacking you'll have to push the whole history every time you push a new branch
[14:30] <barry> salgado: true.  lp-dev-utils is small though and i have a fat pipe
[15:15] <Ursinha> danilos, what's the difference between product and project?
[15:17] <gary_poster> barry: do you know the procedure for adding a dependency to launchpad-dependencies (as in, python2.5-devel :-) )
[15:18] <barry> gary_poster: i don't, but salgado-lunch does
[15:18] <gary_poster> barry: I thought he did, and pinged him elsewhere, but was excited enough to ask you just in case while he is at lunch :-)
[15:19] <gary_poster> thx
[15:19] <barry> gary_poster: ;)
[15:24] <Ursinha> I wish I could ask wgrant, he's a walking grep :)
[15:38] <matsubara> Ursinha, product is a project and project is a project group. those are the old names
[15:40] <Ursinha> danilos, sure :)
[15:40] <Ursinha> matsubara, thanks!
[15:41] <Ursinha> danilos, so, what's the difference between primary_translatable and translation_focus?
[15:42] <danilos> Ursinha, translation_focus is explicitely set (or not) and primary_translatable can be defined even if translation_focus is not set (it's calculated otherwise)
[15:42] <danilos> Ursinha, basically, translation_focus mirrors the DB value, and primary_translatable provides with a good default if translation_focus is not defined
[15:42] <Ursinha> danilos, right, that leads to the second question
[15:42] <Ursinha> danilos, if translation_focus is none, what should it be, development_focus?
[15:43] <danilos> Ursinha, well, what do you think it should be? (a serious question)
[15:43] <Ursinha> errr sorry
[15:43] <Ursinha> hm, no, that's right
[15:43] <Ursinha> danilos, I think it should be the dev focus
[15:43] <danilos> Ursinha, the situation is this: project maintainer has not defined any release as the focus for translations
[15:44] <danilos> Ursinha, and I agree, it makes most sense :)
[15:44] <Ursinha> danilos, and after that, keep the same as it was
[15:44] <danilos> Ursinha, and if that's not defined either, I'd pick the latest series
[15:44] <danilos> Ursinha, well, it should default to development_focus already
[15:45] <danilos> Ursinha, so, the change you are making should be "if there's translation_focus, then that, otherwise keep the same as it was" :)
[15:46] <Ursinha> danilos, that's what I thought was the right thing to do :)
[15:46] <Ursinha> danilos, other question
[15:47] <Ursinha> danilos, what's the secondary_translatable_serieses?
[15:47] <danilos> Ursinha, I don't know
[15:47] <Ursinha> danilos, :)
[15:48] <danilos> Ursinha,         """Return a list of IDistroSeries that aren't the translation_focus.
[15:48] <danilos>         It only includes the ones that are still supported.
[15:48] <Ursinha> danilos, just want to be sure that's what I imagine it to be, a list of translatable series that not the translation focus
[15:49] <Ursinha> danilos, I see the comment, boss :P
[15:49] <danilos> Ursinha, well, it seems pretty clear to me :)
[15:54] <EdwinGrubbs2> deryck: ping
[15:55] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, pong
[15:56] <EdwinGrubbs> deryck: I just sent you an email that I hope you can respond to now, so that I can land the branch today before I go to the lazr-js sprint.
[15:57] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, will look now.
[15:58] <deryck> EdwinGrubbs, the design is fine that you sent.  I have no qualms at all. :)  I actually like that better than what I proposed.
[15:59] <EdwinGrubbs> thanks
[16:24] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I sent you a reply to the design
[16:25] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: If you don't was to fix the CSS, I'll do it right now to fix bug 465524. I know the problem affects more than the two portlets we are discussin
[16:25] <mup> Bug #465524: ~name Latest Memberships portlet joined date is rendered in the incorrect style <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Registry:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/465524>
[16:50] <bigjools> Ursinha: attagirl for your reply to danilos :)
[16:51] <Ursinha> bigjools, is that good? :)
[16:51] <bigjools> yes very :)
[17:03] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I'm fixing the registered CSS class not to use italics. Can you look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.iinet.net.au-archive ? It seems like the "registered by" info should go in the top right corner even though it is really long on this page.
[17:04] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: does that registration info *look* like it is correct? Where should that information be on the page?
[17:05] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I have no idea if it is correct. Normally, we put "registered by" just above the sidebar.
[17:05] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: Yes it goes in the registration slot. Official belongs in the Archive information portlet
[17:05] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: you should have an idea. Any time you want to know when an object was created and by whom, look to the right under the logout button
[17:06] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: You do not need to fix this issue. I'll report and bug and get it fixed. There are several cases of these.
[17:10] <danilos> Ursinha, you'll know who to ask any questions from now on, now that you hurt my feelings ;)
[17:10] <Ursinha> danilos, lol, sorry boss
[17:10] <Ursinha> danilos, you're emacs, gnome guy, but I love you anyway
[17:10]  * Ursinha pets danilos
[17:10] <danilos> Ursinha, :)
[17:10] <Ursinha> :P
[17:19] <Ursinha> danilos, how do I find out the currentseries of a project?
[17:19] <Ursinha> err product
[17:24] <danilos> Ursinha, 'currentseries'?
[17:24] <danilos> Ursinha, do you mean development_focus series? :)
[17:24] <Ursinha> oh, wait
[17:25] <Ursinha> danilos, apparently product.currentseries is related to distros
[17:27] <danilos> Ursinha, I don't see product.currentseries
[17:27] <danilos> Ursinha, I only see distribution.currentseries
[17:28] <Ursinha> danilos, sorry, I see targetseries = ubuntu.currentseries
[17:29] <danilos> Ursinha, right... is there any reason why do you worry about the rest of that method? :)
[17:30] <Ursinha> danilos, no, I'm just trying to understand how it works :)
[17:32] <danilos> Ursinha, well... it's quite simple :) it returns either the development_focus productseries or the latest productseries which has translatable templates; if none of those exist, it returns any linked ubuntu sourcepackage instead, or if there's no ubuntu sourcepackage, any other sourcepackage
[17:33] <danilos> Ursinha, btw, did you get the DB patch reviewed?
[17:34] <Ursinha> danilos, nope :(
[17:34] <Ursinha> guess people are busy this weel
[17:34] <Ursinha> week
[18:00] <mrevell> good weekend all
[18:47] <maxb> abentley: around? I don't understand your assertion that "undecided" repositories would encourage pack-0.92?
[19:11] <mars> flacoste, do you have a forecast as to when we will be dropping r-c?
[19:15] <beuno> mars, how's the yui3ification?
[19:21] <mars> beuno, moving along.  Everything works well, we've only had a few small changes to deal with.
[19:21] <mars> beuno, I just fixed a bug that was preventing the production config from loading.  With that fix we are one big step closer to being able to land the branch.
[19:22] <beuno> mars, that's great news
[19:22] <beuno> and most widgets work with 3.0.0 and the updated lazr-js
[19:22] <mars> beuno, we will at minimum have an integration branch to build off of for the sprint
[19:22] <mars> beuno, most do
[19:23] <beuno> mars, that's awesome, thank you
[19:36] <flacoste> mars: it's already dropped, since ~4h ago
[19:37] <mars> flacoste, ok, thanks
[19:38] <mars> sidnei, ^ it should be ok to start landing lazr-js branches, if you dare tempt the wrath of Friday :)
[19:40] <sidnei> mars: i would prefer waiting until monday :)
[19:40] <mars> hehe
[19:40] <mars> sidnei, ok, we will get everything straightened out monday morning during the sprint opener
[19:41] <beuno> sidnei, could you add the branch URL to the sprint page?
[19:42] <mars> beuno, we'll have to land on trunk.  salgado and I have made a number of fixes on top of sidnei's and Bjorn's work
[19:43] <beuno> mars, can we have the latest there?  it will take a while to get it into trunk, and it would be ideal not to stall on it
[19:43] <mars> beuno, we can.  I can push my integration branch with everyone's changes rolled into it.
[19:44] <beuno> mars, that would rock. Add it to the agenda wiki and we're set!
[21:29]  * wgrant dislikes the new c-i-p UI.
[21:40] <beuno> wgrant, c-i-p?
[21:42] <wgrant> beuno: canonical-identity-provider
[21:42] <beuno> wgrant, the one with the launchpad UI, or the ubuntu UI?
[21:43] <wgrant> beuno: The Ubuntu one doesn't seem to be serving anything yet. Does that UI exist?
[21:43] <wgrant> Maybe that one is less utterly sucky...
[21:43] <wgrant> But I presume not, since 3.1.10 brought some changes to the Launchpad UI.
[21:43] <beuno> wgrant, it's completely different
[21:43] <beuno> and should stop sucking
[21:44] <wgrant> beuno: Will it supplant the Launchpad UI entirely?
[21:45] <beuno> wgrant, it will be a separate instance with the same db
[21:45] <beuno> so it will be used for all ubuntu-related stuff
[21:45] <beuno> at some point, we will either re-work the launchpad one, or replace it with the ubuntu one
[21:46] <wgrant> Ahh.
[21:50] <wgrant> Bug #476963, anyway.
[21:50] <mup> Bug #476963: UI is pretty awful <Canonical SSO provider:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/476963>
[21:53] <beuno> :)
[22:26]  * thumper is at kiwipycon
[22:26] <thumper> even has web access :)
[22:28] <wgrant> Not once everyone else gets there.
[22:28]  * wgrant has bad memories of UDS Jaunty.
[22:29] <ajmitch> wgrant: it's not that bad, honest
[22:30] <ajmitch> (yet)
[22:30] <wgrant> Until 128 people get into the hotel, and the DHCP range fills up.
[22:30] <ajmitch> we're not all at a hotel, thankfully
[22:31] <mwhudson> yes, hotels insisting on doing the networking are the bane of conferences
[22:41] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: so, do you just want me to move the milestone badge to be first, since it is the most often present?
[22:42] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I expect it to have the same order as this: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+milestone/3.1.11
[22:42] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I'm also wondering if I should implement beuno's 0.5em padding on the <tr> or on the .registered stylesheet.
[22:43] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I think right-aligned is all that is needed.
[22:44] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I need to find my children. I'll be back in a bit.
[22:44] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: huh, beuno asked for 0.5em padding below each item.
[23:44] <maxb> I want to use bazaar to track source packages with modifications in the launchpad ppa. Would it make sense to register a launchpad-ppa project?
[23:46] <wgrant> maxb: People use distro branches for that.
[23:46] <maxb> for packages in a ppa?
[23:46] <wgrant> Yes.
[23:46] <wgrant> Not exactly semantically correct.
[23:46] <maxb> hmm
[23:46] <wgrant> But probably better than a project.
[23:47] <wgrant> After all, they are (in most cases) branches of an Ubuntu package.
[23:47] <maxb> lp:~maxb/ubuntu/karmic/python-defaults/launchpad-ppa ?
[23:47] <wgrant> Right.
[23:55] <maxb> mm, neat
[23:56] <wgrant> Hm?
[23:57] <maxb> oh, I'm just sitting here grinning that having twigged that package branches are the right way to do it, I can just push and all is happy :-)
[23:57] <wgrant> Yup.
[23:58] <wgrant> I'm not sure if you can manually stack on LP without playing with bzrlib.
[23:58]  * wgrant tries.


[10:43] <alkisg> Hi, could someone check LP bug #978654 to verify if I correctly did a branch merge proposal?
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 978654 in aptdaemon "<type 'exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError'>: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 24: ordinal not in range(128)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/978654
[13:30] <savio> hey anyone here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/987630
[13:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 987630 in gnome-settings-daemon "changing brightness freezes computer" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:46] <krychek> i want to add another project to my bug report because it's affected, but i can't seem to do it. launchpad can't find that project... my bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eog/+bug/1005292 and the also affected project is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005292 in eog "EOG shows black stripe in pictures" [Low,Triaged]
[15:47] <ogra_> krychek, thats a thinko ... you want "other distribution" and there select ubuntu and the other package
[15:49] <krychek> ohhh.. thank you :) it's ok now
[15:49]  * ogra_ agress that this procedure isnt actually obvious though
[15:49] <ogra_> *agrees
[15:53] <krychek> yeah, project means non-launchpad bug, distribution means launchpad bug (and not necessarily other than Ubuntu distribution)
[15:55] <krychek> and launchpad says that "Nouveau Xorg driver uses freedesktop.org Bugzilla to track its bugs" but there is no nouveau on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi
[15:57] <krychek> nevermind.. it's under Xorg
[17:24]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[17:24] <TheLordOfTime> hello world.
[17:25] <TheLordOfTime> how goes the Battle of the Bugs :P
[18:24] <Logan_> Can somebody please make Bug 1043072 public?
[18:28]  * TheLordOfTime looks
[18:29] <TheLordOfTime> ... stupid LP
[18:29] <TheLordOfTime> okay, so i guess i won't look, i'm timing out to LP
[18:37] <jtaylor> done
[18:46] <Logan_> jtaylor: Thanks. :)