[08:25] <czajkowski> morning
[23:00] <diana1068> hi girls! :)
[23:01] <AlanBell> hi diana1068
[23:07] <AlanBell> so what do you do with Ubuntu diana1068?
[23:10] <diana1068> im trying to fix the updating issue
[23:10] <diana1068> i cant upgrade it from <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:11] <JanC> ;)
[23:12] <AlanBell> oh, a new kernel for Lucid?
[23:13] <AlanBell> I have 100MB of updates to do, still on .24 here
[23:15] <AlanBell> looks like the latest Lucid kernel it wants me to install is 2.6.32-24.43
[23:18] <JanC> maybe it's in -proposed or such?
[23:19] <diana1068> im actually on 2.6.32-24.43 now. but i was told i can upgrade it to 25+
[23:19] <AlanBell> any particular feature you are after?


[02:21] <Unit193> Yes, you can ignore it though if you'd like.
[09:13] <Unit193> New simple-scan drops gnome-common! \o/
[11:35] <ochosi> nice
[15:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: just tried wily in a vbox and i don't see any grave issues with greybird and gtk3.16 so far. also, the greeter theming/config is borked
[15:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: what i noticed though is that the popovers have animations now, and yeah, ofc the new scrollbars. those might need some theming work, but generally they look ok and i presume they work as intended


 Thanks. I got sidetracked fixing some plasma beta issues so far today
 qtsystems-opensource-src seems to be failing build time tests on riscv64. Ignore them?
 No full log yet, but I think making them non-fatal would work.
 E.g. by prepending `-` to the command
 Yeah, that is what I intended
 @mitya57 [E.g. by prepending - to the command], does not work. just fails the build with env: ‘-dbus-test-runner’: No such file or directory
 Prepend before `env`, that's where the command begins
 thanks. I should have seen that
 @x_sun [@mitya57 FYI Polymer exclusion from qtwebengine 5.14.2 breaks embedded pdf viewe …], Can you please test qtwebengine from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4072/+packages and check if it fixes that issue?
 (Photo, 1169x823) https://i.imgur.com/mcM7PH5.jpg Everything looks fine
 Thanks a lot for testing! I will publish it then when it builds on all architectures.
 No prob


[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:27] <ESphynx> good morning dholbach :)
[07:28] <dholbach> hi ESphynx
[07:28] <ESphynx> how's it going? ;)
[07:28] <dholbach> good good - how about you? :)
[07:29] <ESphynx> dholbach: been desperately trying to get this updated package ready before the FF :P
[07:29] <ESphynx> however the whole ICCM->EWMH nightmare has made this extremely difficult :(
[15:37] <psusi> is there a way to get objdump to disassemble a program using the detached ddebs debug symbols?


[00:18] <Hobbsee> staff: FWIW, <IP_ADDRESS>.ptr.us.xo.net seems to be the hotel address for UDS, so please don't block it due to the multiple connections out of there;)
[00:20] <Mez> Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:20] <Hobbsee> Mez: was hoping to do that once i found out what the addresses for google are too.
[00:22] <LjL> last time they said it was iline@ anyway
[00:22] <PriceChild> Mez: Hobbsee<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:22] <PriceChild> Yep I had to double check that last time someone asked about it too.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: mind sending the mail? : )
[00:23] <Mez> PriceChild: ah, lol - I for some reason thought it was ilines (and I think I've used ilines before too!)
[00:23] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: I'd rather someone who's an authority on it requested it ;)
[00:24] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: organiser/attendee... someone who actually knows what's going on rather than me becoming a middleman.
[00:24] <LjL> Hobbsee: in other words, no pony for you.
[00:26] <PriceChild> No you can have a pony, I just don't want to request an iline, find out I have the wrong address, and get stuck not being able to contact anyone for the right one.
[00:26] <LjL> PriceChild: just iline <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:26] <LjL> who needs bans
[00:26]  * LjL goes to /mode #ubuntu +e *!*@*
[00:27]  * LjL wonders how long it'd take y'all to figure that out if i did it
[00:28] <LjL> probably not very long now that i mentioned it
[01:52] <PriceChild> man i remember the first alphas of songbird, its changed a bit
[02:00] <bazhang> steelgun seems familiar
[02:43] <bazhang> any one else feel requinb4 is going overboard with the !hi trigger?
[02:44] <bazhang> he/she is helpful, but..
[02:49] <nalioth> bazhang: i personally don't feel it's needed in #ubuntu,
[02:50] <bazhang> nalioth, okay thanks. just after a few hours of everyone saying hi getting the !hi was a bit grating imo
[02:54] <nalioth> i personally see it as more of an -offtopic factoid
[03:57] <bazhang> * [Guest89929] (n=idiot@pool-162-83-62-247.sal.east.verizon.net): I.P Daily
[04:36] <meoblast001> hello
[04:36] <bazhang> hi
[04:36] <meoblast001> hi
[04:36] <meoblast001> i picture this place as a round white room
[04:36] <meoblast001> with 2 doors
[04:36] <meoblast001> on oposite sides
[04:37] <meoblast001> and it echos a lot
[04:37] <meoblast001> and we talk
[04:37] <bazhang> you wanted to discuss why you were removed?
[04:37] <meoblast001> yes
[04:37] <bazhang> just a moment
[04:39] <bazhang> 2008-12-08T02:47:53 <meoblast001> !troll | magnetron
[04:39] <meoblast001> is that bad?
[04:39] <bazhang> after he was trying to help you for 30 minutes, yes.
[04:39] <meoblast001> he was cussing at me
[04:39] <meoblast001> i gave him a link
[04:39] <meoblast001> told him i would restart xorg
[04:39] <bazhang> he was warned, and stopped.
[04:39] <meoblast001> came back and he asked for the link again
[04:39] <meoblast001> i gave it to him
[04:40] <meoblast001> he then told me it didnt explain what i was doing
[04:40] <bazhang> not the right response to someone who is trying to help you.
[04:40] <meoblast001> it said that i had to install some x something and run some command
[04:40] <meoblast001> then he yelled at me
[04:40] <bazhang> people are volunteers.
[04:40] <meoblast001> ppl yelling offends me
[04:40] <meoblast001> sorry
[04:41] <bazhang> you may have forgotten that key point.
[04:41] <meoblast001> yeah
[04:41] <meoblast001> i try to stick in my loco until they ban me
[04:41] <meoblast001> and then go to another room until i get hated there
[04:41] <bazhang> you were repeatedly targeting him instead of just asking the channel.
[04:42] <bazhang> and then !troll when he did not give the answer you wanted
[04:42] <meoblast001> he told me to discus it in #ubuntu in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:42] <bazhang> yes.
[04:42] <meoblast001> ok i understand now
[04:42] <bazhang> he did not say he would do the support though.
[04:43] <meoblast001> oh
[04:43] <bazhang> right.
[04:43] <meoblast001> i think im gonna go to #ubuntu-offtopic to talk to the ppl that have me on their /ignore list
[04:43] <bazhang> or act in a way that people dont want to /ignore you.
[04:43] <bazhang> oops
[04:44] <Myrtti> oops
[04:44] <Myrtti> I don't want to be awake, really
[04:44] <bazhang> then sleep!
[04:44] <bazhang> its the change of seasons imo
[04:44] <Myrtti> but it's seven o'clock
[04:45] <Myrtti> I'll just let my intestines steep in two liters of strong coffee
[04:45] <bazhang> naptime then :)
[04:45] <Myrtti> and pray for Gaia I'll be functional the whole day
[05:05] <Myrtti> ARGH.
[05:05] <Myrtti> I maded you a cup of coffee but I eated it.
[05:28] <nickrud> I pine for the days I could drink 2 liters of coffee
[05:28] <bazhang> heh
[05:28] <bazhang> just started myself
[05:28] <nickrud> 3d cup, out comes the antacids :(
[06:03] <bazhang> hynix is asus-tek?
[06:04] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[06:04] <Myrtti> oh
[06:04] <bazhang> or perhaps sp0rtily ban evading
[06:04] <Myrtti> looks like it
[06:04] <Myrtti> [08:04] [freenode] ~~~hynix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:04] <Myrtti> @bansearch *!*kavita@*
[06:05] <Myrtti> hrm
[06:05] <Myrtti> not sure anymore
[06:06] <bazhang> QED
[06:07]  * Myrtti facepalms
[06:07] <Myrtti> WHY DOES HE HAVE TO CHANGE HIS NICK MORE OFTEN I CHANGE MY BEDSHEETS
[06:07] <bazhang> heh
[06:08] <Myrtti> he probably changes it more often I change socks
[06:08] <bazhang> new corporate logo a week :)
[06:08] <Myrtti> twice or three times a day is his current record
[06:11] <jdong> too... much... info?
[06:12] <Myrtti> I've complained about it to him like dozen times
[06:12] <Myrtti> jdong: you change your socks three times a day?
[06:12] <Myrtti> freak
[06:12] <Myrtti> anyway
[06:12] <Myrtti> :-<
[06:12] <jdong> I was more referring to the bedsheets comment :)
[06:12] <bazhang> just lots of strange stalker-y folks in that channel do the same
[06:12] <bazhang> hard to keep them straight
[06:13] <jdong> !twss
[06:13] <jdong> aww that doesn't work in here :)
[06:13] <bazhang> err that came out wrong
[06:13] <jdong> that's also what she said.
[06:13] <bazhang> back to ubuntuforums with ye!
[06:13] <Myrtti> jdong: that's also a A FACTOID I HATE WITH PASSION
[06:13] <jdong> (you can tell when I'm on my 30th sleepless hour when I try to turn everything into an innuendo)
[06:14] <jdong> Myrtti: not a fan of The Office (US)?
[06:14] <Myrtti> jdong: I don't really watch telly, even less some lame adaptations of perfectly good UK shows
[06:14] <jdong> oh come on! :P
[06:15] <Myrtti> I didn't watch one second of the most popular TV show in Finland either
[06:16] <Myrtti> ok
[06:16] <Myrtti> can I say it now?
[06:17] <Myrtti> ASUS-tek is an idiot. a fool. a moron.
[06:17] <Myrtti> WHAT KIND OF FOOL GIVES THEIR IM ACCOUNTS TO BE FREELY USED BY FRIENDS AND RELATIVES
[06:18] <Myrtti> this idiocy makes my brain hurt
[06:18] <Myrtti> ow ow ow oww
[06:19] <Myrtti> I feel a sudden urge to bludgeon squishy things with a baseball bat
[06:19] <bazhang> save it for netyire
[06:20] <bazhang>  /me'ing around for several hours
[06:21] <Myrtti> I'd put ASUS-tek on ignore, but he GODDAMNIT CHANGES IP'S AND NICKS ALL THE TIME
[06:21] <Myrtti> I've just about had it with him
[06:22]  * Myrtti feels a vein throb on her neck
[06:22] <bazhang> I'm glad not to have privileges in that channel
[06:24] <Myrtti> If I had time, I'd write a complaint about him to some higher up instance like the council and toss the problem of dealing with him politely and nicely to them
[06:24] <Myrtti> I don't have the calmness and objectivity left anymore
[06:24] <Myrtti> and of course
[06:25] <Myrtti> if I'd try to deal with him, he'd just ignore me
[06:25] <Myrtti> well, not ignore, but wouldn't just get it
[06:26] <Myrtti> I honestly don't know what to do with him
[06:26] <bazhang> its the humm..okey?
[06:26] <bazhang> the nick changes?
[06:27] <Myrtti> the nick changes that makes it impossible to ignore him
[06:27] <Myrtti> the creepy remarks about women
[06:27] <bazhang> yeah
[06:27] <bazhang> the 'chicks' comments
[06:27] <Myrtti> the creepy stalking like behaviour towards many channel regulars
[06:27] <bazhang> he does do that
[06:28] <bazhang> kind of forgot in the aftermath of sporty and others
[06:33] <bazhang> imo there should be another operator added to that channel. flannel for example
[06:34] <Myrtti> I wouldn't mind magnetron or someone from the most sensible regular users list
[06:34] <bazhang> the entmoot-like speed of actually adding someone is not that great..
[06:34] <bazhang> hrrrmmm
[06:34] <Myrtti> well he is on my list of more sensible regular users list
[06:35] <Myrtti> don't know about you folks
[06:35] <bazhang> he would be a great choice
[06:35] <bazhang> sensible regular users list ~2
[06:36] <bazhang> he and toplyi
[06:36] <Myrtti> yeah
[06:36] <Myrtti> and I know topyli would decline the offer
[06:37] <bazhang> well the next best to a finn would be a swede then :)
[06:37] <bazhang> those arctic climes keep y'all frosty
[06:38] <Myrtti> if nanonyme would be on the channel nowadays, I'd suggest him
[06:38] <Myrtti> but I know he'd decline too
[06:39] <Myrtti> Finns are always good choice for ops, the culture of IRC is so deeply rooted into our Internet culture that the unwritten and written rules are really stuck on us
[06:39] <bazhang> yep
[06:39] <Myrtti> well, atleast if you're >21yo
[06:39] <Myrtti> younger tend to think of IRC as http://irc.fi
 hehe i cracked my neibour ap
[06:47] <Myrtti> WOHOOO HE LEFT THE CHANNEL
[06:49] <bazhang> * [l7] (n=l7@evil-wire.org): l7
[06:50] <bazhang> weird isp
[06:59] <Myrtti> not really
[07:01] <bazhang> just paranoid I guess :)
[07:02] <Myrtti> it's about as weird as all vanity domains / shell account hostnames
[07:03] <Myrtti> he's on #maemo as well, and has acted nicely there
[07:16] <elkbuntu> oh not that moron again
[07:16] <ikonia> bazhang: I've made a request for more people to be added in -ot
[07:17] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: which moron? ;-)
[07:17] <Myrtti> we have so many of them
[07:17] <Myrtti> hard to keep up
[07:17] <bazhang> heh
[07:17] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, hynix
[07:17] <bazhang> ikonia, thanks
[07:17] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: yeah, him again
[07:18] <Myrtti> well, he didn't do nothing bad per se
[07:18] <Myrtti> this time
[07:18] <Myrtti> he's just idiot.
[07:19] <ikonia> is he indian ?
[07:19] <ikonia> or from an indian region?
[07:20] <Myrtti> indian
[07:20] <elkbuntu> he goes by other nicks too
[07:20] <Myrtti> I had him on facebook for a while
[07:20] <Myrtti> with him seeing my restricted profile
[07:20] <Myrtti> now he's on my blocked list
[07:20] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, ... ... ...
[07:21] <elkbuntu> you... added him?
[07:21] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I know, I'm too nice
[07:21] <Myrtti> he added me
[07:21] <Myrtti> I thought about it for two days and added him with very restricted view to my info
[07:21] <ikonia> putting people like that on your facbook account is inviting trouble
[07:22] <Myrtti> the moment he decided it would be ok to add me on his Skype roster, I had enough
[07:22] <ikonia> you know his behaviour, yet you give him access to your private information, no matter how limited ?
[07:22] <bazhang> should be a zero-tolerance approach to the stalker-y behaviour imo
[07:22] <ikonia> thats not stalking if you accept it
[07:22] <ikonia> your offering your information
[07:23] <bazhang> I mean in the irc channels
[07:23] <Myrtti> well I'm trying to be consistent with my policy about facebook
[07:23] <ikonia> I think you need to be realistic
[07:23] <ikonia> giving your information out to people you know are a pain is inviting trouble
[07:23] <Myrtti> ikonia: why do you think he's on my blocked list now, then?
[07:24] <ikonia> not sure how he got onto your list in the first place
[07:24] <ikonia> it's your business who you allow on your facebook / personal information, but it seems unwise to allow people who are known to the channels any personal information
[07:25] <Myrtti> well I hadn't grasped the whole picture of how annoying he can be before he added me to his skype roster
[07:25] <Myrtti> well
[07:25] <Myrtti> wanted to add
[07:26] <bazhang> regardless
[07:26] <bazhang> my point was about the comments in -ot
[07:26] <bazhang> from anyone
[07:26] <bazhang> cf AtomicSpark earlier
[07:27] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[07:27] <Myrtti> the day isn't starting well
[07:27] <ikonia> bazhang: I've made my feelings on the asues-tek user quite public that he should not be in the ubuntu-offtopic channel due to the number os issues he's caused on a long term basis
[07:28] <bazhang> ikonia, agreed; I feel it should extend well beyond him though
[07:28]  * Myrtti gives up
[07:28] <bazhang> any commentary of that nature just invites further
[07:29] <bazhang> elkbuntu, you are still +o here btw
[07:29] <elkbuntu> liar.
[07:30] <bazhang> hehe
[07:35] <Myrtti> anyway, the moment you manage to convince me ASUS-tek is being what he is with bad intent or breaking the rules on purpose, I'm happy to kick him
[07:36] <Myrtti> and wont look back for a second
[07:36] <bazhang> first creepy comment should be the threshold
[07:36] <bazhang> he has crossed the line already.
[07:37] <bazhang> Myrtti, should not come from you
[07:38] <ikonia> Myrtti: inability to socially interact or repeated inability to follow the guidelines (both which he has shown) suggests he should be removed until he can understand
[07:38] <bazhang> Myrtti, I agree with your earlier comments about not being objective any more in that regard
[07:38]  * Myrtti lays her gloves on the counter and walks away
[07:39] <bazhang> could be what hobbsee did earlier re: sdlwof/mylogic situation
[07:39] <ikonia> I've been trying for days now with eagles to help him understand why he presents himself as he does, and the bottom line is he knows why, but just doesn't want to fit in because he enjoys the attention it gets
[07:39] <ikonia> I suspect the same is true of asuses-tek
[07:39] <bazhang> temp -operator someone
[07:39] <ikonia> bazhang: it just needs more active people added to the access list,
[07:39] <ikonia> which I'll chase up today
[07:40] <bazhang> at least until the entmoot has decided :)
[07:43] <ikonia> I'd also request a topic change in -ot, to something more clear - eg: offtopic chatter, the rules still apply, etc etc
[07:43] <ikonia> so that it is clear to anyone who reads the topic
[07:44] <bazhang> I disagree.
[07:44] <ikonia> or people can be pointed to the topic
[07:44] <ikonia> oh ?
[07:44] <bazhang> most people ignore that
[07:44] <ikonia> yes they do, but thats not a reason to not have it
[07:44] <Flannel> The first two bits are enough for anyone who pays attention (of course, people who pay attention generally is preaching to choir)
[07:45] <ikonia> Flannel: should just be something more formal to maeke it clear this is sstill an #ubuntu channel and the ubuntu guidelines spirit still applies (in my opinion)
[07:45] <Flannel> ikonia: A link to the IRC guidelines isn't sufficient?
[07:46] <bazhang> okay I see that point
[07:46] <ikonia> Flannel: no no, thats fine, but look at the other stuff
[07:46] <ikonia>  This topic lies on prime days of month, use windows to mark that in youru diary
[07:46] <bazhang> from a legalistic/guidelines view
[07:46] <bazhang> perhaps something like /msg ubottu o4o if in doubt
[07:47] <ikonia> I don't know, I was only thinking out loud
[07:48] <Flannel> Really, anyone who pays attention to the topic already has a good idea what the channel is about.  New people don't really pay attention to topics, unfortunately.
[07:48] <ikonia> Flannel: I concur 100
[07:48] <ikonia> %100
[07:48] <ikonia> Flannel: I'm more thinking of a point of stopping the "I didn't know" argument, or the ability to say "check the topic"
[07:49] <ikonia> so its clear
[07:50] <ikonia> seaves in disguise as "blurry" again in -ot
[07:50] <ikonia> not sure what he's up to
[07:50] <Flannel> Well, the 'lies on prime days of the month' is a bit deceptive if we're trying to distort the rules, but apart from the removal of that, "check the topic" will satisfy whatever.
[07:51] <ikonia> Flannel: exactly
[07:51] <ikonia> Flannel: just trying to present ourselves as a group a little better
[07:52] <Flannel> As a group... better?
[07:52] <ikonia> eg: you can't say to someone "come on, behave" if the topic's messing around
[07:52] <Flannel> Sure you can.  There's being amusing and having fun, and then being inappropriate.
[07:53] <Flannel> No person whos genuine actually thinks that the rules don't apply on the prime days.
[07:53] <ikonia> well, I see the side of having fun, but I don't see being unclear in the topic as the best way to present the channel
[07:53] <Flannel> Anyone who would cause a problem with that, will find something else to cause a problem with.
[07:53] <Flannel> I'm sure whomever added that added it on a composite day of the month, and just forgot to remove it.
[07:53] <ikonia> I don't disagree on that, I just feel it's sonething that can be used as a another pointless argument
[07:54] <ikonia> yes, I don't think it's intentional, just an oversight
[07:54] <ikonia> hence the request
[07:55] <ikonia> maybe I'm a tad on the left side of this because I actually read channel topics
[08:01] <bazhang> heh
[08:01] <bazhang> the only user on all of irc
[08:02] <ikonia> don't mind being wrong, just giving an opinion
[08:02] <bazhang> just kidding
[08:02] <ikonia> it's a valid point that not many people do
[08:03] <bazhang> sorry to joke and run..
[08:03] <bazhang> but your point applies no doubt
[08:03] <ikonia> maybe, maybe not
[08:03] <bazhang> especially when in terms of conflict resolution
[08:03] <bazhang> uh I didnt know?!?
[08:04] <bazhang> a backstop so to speak.
[08:04] <bazhang> back in a bit
[08:04] <ikonia> Flannel make a valid point that anyone who uses the current topic as an excuse is already going to have ten other options in reserve
[08:04] <bazhang> yep
[08:04] <ikonia> catch you later
[11:35] <ikonia> annoyed now with that guy trying to direct the porn searcher to -offtopic
[11:35] <bazhang> yep
[11:36] <ikonia> so easy to just hit !offtopic to anything without thinking it through
[11:36] <bazhang> that is true
[11:40] <ikonia> this guy is getting really annoying now
[11:40] <ikonia> trying to justify porn sites as valid
[11:41] <bazhang> although given the state of -ot recently..
[11:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, another troll from the wikipedia/baby-dangling crap of today's headlines?
[11:42] <ikonia> not read them
[11:42] <bazhang> he did finally drop it though, after getting in the last word of course
[11:42] <ikonia> is this the scorpions album
[11:45] <ikonia> this guys is border line on trolling
[11:46] <ikonia> it's not hard to grasp porn = no discussion
[11:46] <bazhang> well dont feed :)
[11:46] <ikonia> I refuse to have him justify it to the channel
[11:46] <bazhang> just let me chat with him for a second
[11:49] <bazhang> he admits to doing it without thinking
[11:49] <bazhang> it happened in a split second
[11:49] <ikonia> of coruse
[11:49] <ikonia> it wasn't intentional
[11:49] <ikonia> no-one said it was
[11:49] <ikonia> I asked him to think about it
[11:49] <ikonia> and he started justfiying it like he meant to do it
[11:49] <bazhang> probably !coc or !guidelines if the guy was around long enough to see them
[11:49] <ikonia> (which I know he didn't as it was auto pilot)
[11:50] <ikonia> instead of just syaing "yup" no problem, he went on "well who are you to censor speach" etc etc
[11:50] <bazhang> just got his back up for being called out on it initially
[11:50] <ikonia> well thats tough
[11:50] <bazhang> but buzukelis was not around long enough so its moot at this point
[11:50] <ikonia> everyone makes mistakes, eg: autopilot !offtopic
[11:51] <ikonia> I agree, it just took "no problem"
[11:51] <bazhang> I've done it before
[11:51] <ikonia> rather than "well, porn is an acceptable search, and freespeach is aillgal in some countries are you giong to censor that2
[11:51] <bazhang> sometimes its tough to get that !coc out instead
[11:51] <ikonia> I've done it
[11:51] <ikonia> every's done it,
[11:51] <bazhang> yep
[11:51] <ikonia> everyone
[11:51] <ikonia> I know it was an accident
[11:51] <ikonia> but he started defending it like he meant to do it
[11:52] <ikonia> as I said "no problem" was all he needed to say
[11:52] <bazhang> well some folks dont take criticism kindly in a big channel like that.
[11:52] <bazhang> it happens
[11:52] <ikonia> of course it does
[11:52] <ikonia> but he didn't even drop me a pm saying that
[11:52] <ikonia> just went off ranting about censorshop and freesepach
[11:52] <ikonia> if he felt argived I would apologise no problem
[11:53] <ikonia> but he didn't he pretended he did it on purpose
[11:53] <ikonia> then changed to an accident (I knew it was an accident)
[11:53] <bazhang> sure
[11:53] <bazhang> he got his back up ie defensive
[11:53] <bazhang> on being criticised
[11:54] <ikonia> I see that, but he still kept going
[11:54] <bazhang> I once got into a pretty heated argument with elky in #u
[11:55] <bazhang> pre-operator days :)
[11:55] <ikonia> I've done it with people, it's not wrong to disagree
[11:55] <bazhang> miracle I survived :)
[11:56] <bazhang> no, but in my case I got defensive unneccesarily
[11:57] <bazhang> as did joaopinto in this case
[11:57] <ikonia> I've done it too
[11:57] <ikonia> it's easy done if you think your right, or the other person can't see your point of view
[11:57] <ikonia> but as he said, it was an accident, so he knows it was wrong, but then went of on censorship
[11:57] <bazhang> true
[11:57] <ikonia> there wasn't a right/wrong to it
[11:57] <bazhang> absolutely
[11:58] <ikonia> I could understand it if he disageed/thought I couldn't see his view point, but there was no view point, he did an autopilot thing, (no problem) and was asked to think a bit more before trigger it
[11:58] <ikonia> hence why it was so frustrating as he started making up arguemnts
[11:59] <ikonia> there wasn't an argument to be had
[11:59] <bazhang> dont respond now please
[11:59] <ikonia> I smell your hand there
[11:59] <ikonia> sorry I'd typed a nice response befor eyou said that
[12:00] <ikonia> I sense your grooming hand at the helm there
[12:00] <bazhang> just following your and flannel's lead
[12:00] <ikonia> ??
[12:01] <bazhang> with joaopinto?
[12:01] <bazhang> or icesword
[12:01] <ikonia> our lead, I don't think I've ever spoke to him before
[12:01] <bazhang> oh
[12:01] <ikonia> I know the nick iceword, but dno't remember him
[12:02] <bazhang> no, I mean as far as conflict resolution
[12:02] <ikonia> ooh
[12:02] <ikonia> well, it was a nice gesture he made, even with your hand guiding him
[12:02] <ikonia> not-needed, but still appriciated
[12:02] <bazhang> I said nothing to him
[12:02] <ikonia> Hmmm ;)
[12:02] <bazhang> just drop it, which he completely ignored :(
[12:03] <ikonia> oh, well in that case kudos to him
[12:03] <bazhang> hehe
[12:03] <bazhang> there is the whole language barrier thing as well
[12:03] <bazhang> he is native brasilian
[12:03] <ikonia> yes, I did pick up on that a bit
[12:25] <ikonia> !usb
[12:26] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:26] <ikonia> hello
[12:26] <ikonia> @login
[12:26] <Nafallo> should that one be renamed !oldusb and !usb point to usb-creator? ;-)
[12:26] <Nafallo> might make sense actually :-
[12:26] <Nafallo> )
[12:27] <ikonia> Nafallo: I'm thinking of something like !usb-install and !usb-installer
[12:27] <ikonia> so that a "to" a usb stick is different from a "from a usb media"
[12:27] <ikonia> not worded great in that factoid
[12:28] <Nafallo> that would probably make sense. might want to distict the two a bit further than two additional chars though? :-)
[12:28] <ikonia> Nafallo yes, bad example
[12:28] <Nafallo> !usb-creator
[12:28] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:28] <Nafallo> easy to remember
[12:29] <ikonia> usb-creator, isn't that the application though
[12:29] <ikonia> that would be a 3rd factoid
[12:29] <Nafallo> that is the application indeed :-)
[12:30] <Nafallo> I should know, since I had to read the sourcecode the other day to fight a false fact in -se ;-)
[12:30] <ikonia> write a quick descrption then and lets bot it up
[12:31] <ikonia> seeing as you know it well ;)
[12:31] <elkbuntu> ok, paddy_eire has just officially creeped me out
[12:31] <ikonia> what's up
[12:31] <ikonia> (not been following)
[12:32] <elkbuntu> see -ot
[12:32] <elkbuntu> read up to about *:26
[12:33] <ikonia> have you ever asked to see a picture of him before ?
[12:33] <elkbuntu> never.
[12:33] <Nafallo> usb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration
[12:33] <Nafallo> usb-creator is a simple application to help you make a bootable usb-stick from an ubuntu isofile. You may find it under System/Administration/ even
[12:34] <ikonia> Nafallo: do you suggest usb-creator or boot-usb
[12:34] <elkbuntu> ikonia, hence why the random pic showing then whinging when i dont express appreciation is creepy
[12:34] <ikonia> elkbuntu: most odd
[12:34] <Nafallo> ikonia: usb-creator. boot-usb sounds more like instructions for setting up the BIOS correctly :-)
[12:34] <Nafallo> at least to me
[12:35] <ikonia> Nafallo seems sensible
[12:35] <elkbuntu> rght, i should at least go to bed on time, and hence i bid you adieu
[12:35] <ikonia> night
[12:37] <ikonia> damn you ubottu
[12:37] <ikonia> Nafallo: does that read right though ?
[12:38] <Nafallo> except the even shouldn't be on the end :-)
[12:38] <ikonia> ah
[12:38] <ikonia> I quite like it with even
[12:38] <ikonia> but your right
[12:38] <Nafallo> that or the System
[12:38] <Nafallo> like in being specific about what menu it is :-)
[12:38] <ikonia> Nafallo i quite like it saying it may be under System -> aministration
[12:39] <ikonia> "it will be under" probablty better
[12:39] <Nafallo> the System -> Administration. well. not sure. English isn't my first language :-)
[12:39] <ikonia> "the system - administration menu2
[12:40] <Nafallo> well. it is a may, since it's not necessarily installed everywhere :-)
[12:40] <ikonia> I'll drop the may
[12:40] <Nafallo> oki
[15:44] <jpds> Hello from UDS.
[15:45] <ikonia> hi !
[15:45] <ikonia> you lucky rat how di dyou get there
[15:46] <jpds> ...well the hotel actually.
[15:46] <jpds> Got a flight.
[15:46] <Pici> jpds: Which hotel?
[15:46] <ikonia> still, you jammy thing
[15:46] <ikonia> well done
[15:46] <ikonia> Pici: I assume you are there ?
[15:46] <Pici> I am :)
[15:46] <ikonia> another jammy rat
[15:46] <jpds> Pici: Domain.
[15:48] <Pici> jpds: I'm at the other one, Wild Palms
[15:49] <jpds> Pici: Come over, it's fun.
[15:49] <Pici> jpds: How are you getting to Google from there?
[15:49] <jpds> Pici: You looked over the schedule?
[15:50] <Pici> I did.
[15:50] <jpds> Pici: We have a shuttle at 8:15.
[15:50] <Pici> ooh.
[15:51] <Pici> I dont think we do, or at least I don't know about it
[15:51] <Pici> I think I'll take a walk then
[17:07] <LjL> !info tilp2
[17:07] <LjL> i'd really like to have back the implicit !info...
[17:10] <Hobbsee> bazhang: oh?
[17:52] <ikonia> Hobbsee: got moment for a quick pm ?
[17:57] <Hobbsee> ikonia: yes, although i'm at UDS
[17:57] <ikonia> it's only a quicky
[18:00] <LjL> who's "ubuntu-ops"?
[18:01] <Pici> eh?
[18:02] <LjL> Pici: /ns info #ubuntu-ops, it's got access in #uds
[18:02] <LjL> err, /ns info ubuntu-ops
[18:02] <Pici> last address = ompaul, ask him.
[18:02] <Pici> I suspect its been around for longer than the ircc has.
[18:03] <LjL> Pici: never been any widely used though
[18:03] <Pici> LjL: Well, if someone can login as it (or is a staffer), they can see where it does have access.
[18:03] <LjL> might not be a tremendously bad idea to resurrect it though
[18:06] <LjL> for that matter, it wouldn't be awful if nickserv and chanserv recognized a concept of groups
[18:09] <Pici> Any idea if thats a feature in the new ircd?
[18:10] <LjL> Pici, i don't think the new ircd changes anything in the services (given they've just beed changed)
[18:10] <PriceChild> Pici: that will be part of a separate project.
[18:10] <Pici> PriceChild: okay
[18:11]  * PriceChild tries to find it
[18:11] <PriceChild> Pici: http://svn.freenode.net/gms/
[18:11] <Pici> PriceChild: Ah, part of the web based management stuffs
[18:12] <PriceChild> mmhm
[18:12] <PriceChild> help is always welcome ;)
[18:13] <Pici> I don't know php... but I know someone who does..
[18:15]  * LjL totally ignores what you're talking about
[18:15] <LjL> anyway, ok with the web management, but it certainly needs new services too?
[18:17] <Pici> Not necessarily.
[18:26] <LjL> ok i've registered the ubuntu-ops nickname
[18:26] <LjL> now i'll spam you with memoservs containing its password
[18:26] <ikonia> how delightful
[18:27] <ikonia> ntohing like a good spamming
[18:53] <ikonia> LjL: your quick today
[18:58] <Mez> #uds = restricted?
[18:59] <PriceChild> Mez: it forwards to the other?
[18:59] <Mez> nope, kicks me and says I need to be invited
[18:59] <Mez> ah, I'm +Q
[19:01] <PriceChild> LjL: who has access to ubuntu-ops? :/
[19:02] <LjL> PriceChild: the whole irc team, or at least that's the idea
[19:02] <LjL> PriceChild: of course whether or not to add it to access lists is entirely the prerogative of channel founders
[19:02] <LjL> just as with uic
[19:15] <ikonia> LjL: best kick message in a while
[19:22] <Mez> hmm, does anyone know how to setup a tunnel so my home PC connects to my server, and then a port on my server is mapped to my home PC?
[19:23] <jdong> Mez: sounds like a job for SSH
[19:23] <jdong> I'm guessing your home PC is in a NAT?
[19:25] <Mez> jdong, yeah
[19:25] <Mez> and I think I worked it out
[19:25] <jdong> ok :0
[19:26] <jdong> I was going to suggest (1) home$ ssh server -R 1234:localhost:22
[19:26] <jdong> then ssh to server
[19:26] <jdong> and then on server ssh to localhost -p 1234
[19:26] <Mez> ssh -R I need it to be accessible to others
[19:26] <jdong> then you can directly stop at (1)
[19:26] <jdong> an make sure port 1234 is accessible through your server's firewall if there is one :)
[19:27] <Mez> jdong: that wont work will it?
[19:28] <jdong> why won't it?
[19:28] <Mez> :localhost: will bind it to lo
[19:28] <jdong> no, -R's syntax is [remote_host:]remote_port:localaddress:localport
[19:29] <jdong> i.e. it listens to <IP_ADDRESS>:1234 on server, which maps to localhost:22 on home.
[19:30] <jdong> oh sorry, remote_host defaults to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:30] <jdong> so -R <IP_ADDRESS>:1234:localhost:22 is correct
[19:30]  * jdong smacks himself for not RTFMing
[19:31] <Mez> still doesnt seem to work
[19:36]  * Mez reboots SSH
[19:37] <Mez> jdong: thanks, was an issue with my SSH config ;)
[19:37] <Mez> http://torpor.sourceguru.net:4444/ now works
[20:12] <Mez> LjL: Floodbot is a little trigger happy with the flood warnings today
[22:40]  * jussi01 waves
[22:55]  * Mez waves back
[22:58] <jussi01> heya Mez, hows things?
[23:05]  * genii sips
[23:08] <geeksquad> i need help with a ban
[23:09] <geeksquad> it has benn 1 week
[23:10] <geeksquad> is anyone on?
[23:11] <Pici> What channel?
[23:11] <geeksquad> #ubuntu
[23:11] <Seeker`> why were you banne
[23:11] <Seeker`> and who banned you?
[23:12] <geeksquad> i had a question and a op said he would not answer it so i asked someone else and he banned me
[23:13] <geeksquad> Myritti i think
[23:14] <Seeker`> what was the question?
[23:15] <geeksquad> how do you make your uid 0
[23:17] <geeksquad> i had a diffrent nickname though but this one was not to evade the ban
[23:18] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[23:18] <geeksquad> ?
[23:18] <Seeker`> what was the nick?
[23:19] <geeksquad> thegeek or geek 64 not sure witch
[23:19] <geeksquad> geek 64 without the space
[23:19] <Seeker`> hmm, ubottu is ignoring me
[23:20] <geeksquad> geek64is what i think it is
[23:20] <geeksquad> thats a first
[23:20] <geeksquad> did you put a ! infront
[23:20] <jussi01> Seeker`: @login
[23:20] <Seeker`> @login
[23:20] <Seeker`> tried that in PM,got no reponse
[23:21] <jussi01> now try
[23:21] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[23:21] <Seeker`> mwahahahaha
[23:21] <Seeker`> I mean, it worked
[23:21] <jussi01> better?
[23:21] <geeksquad> whats that  do
[23:21] <jussi01> lol
[23:21] <jussi01> Ive got lag
[23:22] <geeksquad> Seeker' are u there
[23:22] <jussi01> geeksquad: give him a minute
[23:23] <geeksquad> ok
[23:24] <Seeker`> geeksquad: The comment on the ban is "see a banevasion here"
[23:24] <geeksquad> no it was "try a ban evasion on that"
[23:25] <geeksquad> witch got me mad
[23:25] <Seeker`> no, it was "see a ban evasion here"
[23:26] <geeksquad> maybe im mistaken
[23:27] <geeksquad> you should check the logs
[23:27] <geeksquad> it was last week
[23:27] <Seeker`> it looks like youwere told to come back in 3 weeks
[23:27] <geeksquad> that was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <Seeker`> the bantracker shows you being banned in #ubuntu
[23:28] <Pici> And -ot
[23:28] <geeksquad> and offtopic
[23:29] <geeksquad> but the are both 3 weeks
[23:29] <Seeker`> has it been 3 weeks since the ban?
[23:29] <geeksquad> witch one
[23:29] <Seeker`> either of them
[23:30] <geeksquad> none it has been 3 weeks one was 1 day before thanksgiving it is the -ot one
[23:31] <Seeker`> all of your bans show up as being placed on the 26th november
[23:31] <geeksquad> the bantracker has a glitch then
[23:32] <geeksquad> cause the -ot was on the week of thanksgiving
[23:32] <Seeker`> you need to speak to Myrtti or LjL then
[23:32] <geeksquad> are they on
[23:32] <Seeker`> LjL is, dont know if he is about
[23:33] <Seeker`> jussi01: any comments?
[23:33] <geeksquad> LjL i need to speak to you
[23:33] <geeksquad> and Seeker` what does @btlogin do im just curious
[23:34] <Seeker`> logs me in to the bantracker
[23:34] <geeksquad> oh
[23:35] <geeksquad> is it for ops only
[23:35] <Seeker`> yes
[23:35] <geeksquad> ok
[23:35] <geeksquad> and on chanserv i see unban whats that do
[23:36] <Seeker`> what do you think?
[23:36] <geeksquad> unbans you but is that ops only
[23:36] <Seeker`> what do you think?
[23:36] <geeksquad> yes
[23:36] <geeksquad> am i right
[23:36] <Seeker`> yes
[23:36] <geeksquad> ok
[23:37] <geeksquad> can you email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>when myrriti and LjL are on and active
[23:37] <Pici> You were banned on the 3rd for ban evasion, the only reason that it was noticed was because you had asked for support on something that we highly suggested that you not do.
[23:38] <geeksquad> but i was experimenting
[23:38] <geeksquad> i just forgot to tell myrtti
[23:38] <Pici> Experimenting by evading the ban placed on the 26th?
[23:38] <geeksquad> no
[23:39] <Seeker`> geeksquad: you were banned on the 26th, and told to come back in 3 weeks
[23:39] <Seeker`> you were then bakc in #ubuntu on 3rd december, which is certainly not 3 weeks later
[23:40] <geeksquad> and when i first went here and talked to LjL he said the ban was first 1 week so thats what i think the ubuntu ban is
[23:40] <Seeker`> it would probably be advisable to come back 3 weeks from the 26th november and speak to LjL or Myrtti about it then
[23:40] <Pici> Indeed.
[23:40] <geeksquad> whens that
[23:40] <Seeker`> bugging them about it sooner will most likely make the ban longer
[23:41] <Seeker`> 17th December
[23:41] <geeksquad> witch got the -ot ban from 1 to 3
[23:43] <LjL> too late.
[23:43] <LjL> this is the 3 weeks ban?
[23:43] <LjL> i should update the comment to say 5 weeks. i hadn't updated it when it became 4 weeks.
[23:44] <Seeker`> LjL: when did it become 4 weeks?
[23:44] <LjL> Seeker`: last time he came here
[23:45] <Seeker`> fair enough
[23:45] <Seeker`> its really difficult to tell people to "go away" when I have no power to do so
[23:45] <LjL> heh i know
[23:46] <Seeker`> on the other hand, I have no power to unban people
[23:46] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops geeksquad So, five weeks now.
[23:46] <Seeker`> so its pointless in them trying to convince themto do so
[23:46] <Seeker`> s/2nd them/me
[23:48] <Seeker`> what is the in=channel ocmmand for searching for bans?
[23:48] <Seeker`> -typos
[23:49] <LjL> @bansearch ljl
[23:49] <LjL> not necessarily in channel, you can use it in query too
[23:49] <Seeker`> ty


[00:00] <sekisushai> hello
[00:01] <sekisushai> i've a problem with dpkg
[00:19] <sekisushai> hello
[00:19] <sekisushai> i've a problem wih the $PATH and dkpg
[00:19] <sekisushai> after looking for helps on the internet
[00:20] <sekisushai> i realised i don't have the libc package installed
[00:20] <sekisushai> and i've no aptitude to get it
[00:20] <sekisushai> how can i fix it ,
[00:20] <sekisushai> ?
[00:25] <chronossc> I did a zerofill and a reformated a entire 1TB disk, but now, in ext2 partitions, I can't create a directory with dolphin ... msg is Access denied to /media/722834cd-2063-499e-9446-893d41cd60c8/New Folder. ... before this full reformat it works normally....
[00:50] <ScottyK> Is there a FAQ somewhere to help with Samba issues? A couple of my computers can only "see" themselves".
[00:50] <BarkingFish> !samba
[00:51] <ScottyK> even though that's 10.04, will it apply to 11.10?
[00:52] <BarkingFish> if the link is wrong, google for Samba Ubuntu 11.10 and see what you can find.
[00:53] <BarkingFish> I'd do it myself, but unfortunately, I can't use the net and IRC together at the moment due to a very poor wifi connection
[00:53] <BarkingFish> actually, hold on a moment
[00:53] <ScottyK> barking - no problem!
[00:54] <ScottyK> We have tornadoes out west, waiting for the power to start flickering
[00:56] <BarkingFish> ScottyK: at the moment, I've set #ubuntu on that, iceroot suggests you try #samba for now to get some help :)
[00:57] <BarkingFish> for what its worth,
[00:57] <BarkingFish> iceroot reckons samba has barely made any changes between those 2 versions, so the data on the wiki should still be accurate
[00:57] <ScottyK> great, thanks BarkingFish!!
[00:57] <BarkingFish> it's still using Samba 3 at the moment
[00:58] <BarkingFish> but there are major changes coming when Samba 4 comes out, so be ready :)
[00:58] <ScottyK> bleah
[00:58] <ScottyK> i'll just get it working by the time 4 comes out i'm sure
[00:58] <BarkingFish> lol, no doubt
[01:19] <hays> I have a motherboard with a realtek 8111 and the net drivers don't seem to be installing
[01:29] <hays> am I basically boned if I don't have an internet connection and need to build a kernel module to get it if I installed from CD-ROM?
[01:39] <hays> will it help me to install from the dvd?
[01:48] <c_smith> Hello, I'm looking to buy a game, but the fact that it uses Kernel 2.2.x and glibc-2.1 has me wondering about incompatibilities, would there possibly be any with a game that was from Loki Game (which went out of business years ago.)?
[01:51] <c_smith> the company closed doors in '02, if that helps.
[01:53] <OerHeks> there is a wiki, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LokiInstaller wich says the installers moved to http://liflg.org/ ?
[01:57] <c_smith> the installer is not what I'm worried about, I'm just wondering if a specific game would have library incompatibilities (the game is Sid Meier's Planetary Pack)
[02:01] <OerHeks> maybe, i read if you can't get patches, no game > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=402721 maybe applies to Planetary Pack too
[02:03] <c_smith> thanks for the info
[02:05] <graft> hi, so i switched from unity to kde plasma, but now all my default apps that are opened via firefox (e.g. for decompressing a rar) are the gnome ones - how do i get 'em to be KDE defaults? e.g. ark instead of file roller?
[02:07] <hays> does anyone have any ideas on how to get a RTL 8111E working on a fresh kubuntu install
[02:25] <hays> Does the DVD have devel tools on it?
[02:26] <hays> I need them to install a kernel module apparently
[02:28] <graft> anyone experienced this shrinking gnome-terminal issue?
[02:28] <graft> and know what to do about it?
[02:28] <graft> hays: are you running the 3.0.0 kernel?
[02:29] <hays> graft yep
[02:29] <graft> that one uses rt2800usb for your card, i assume?
[02:31] <hays> nope
[02:31] <hays> Realtek 8111/8168
[02:31] <hays> wired NIC
[02:31] <graft> oh i see
[02:31] <hays> so I basically am trapped in sneakernetville
[02:31] <szal> graft: what are you doing w/ the Gnome terminal in KDE?
[02:31] <graft> szal: trying to debug an emacs issue :)
[02:32] <hays> graft: its an 8111E
[02:32] <graft> ooh.. hm, i'm surprised that doesn't just work
[02:33] <graft> hays: are there any 3.1 kernel builds you can try?
[02:34] <hays> graft: dunno..  I have no internet so downloading stuff is a bit hard
[02:35] <graft> hays: heh... hm, yes i see. is that the only kernel you have, then?
[02:35] <graft> hays: i mean can you roll back to a previous kernel that worked?
[02:35] <hays> nope this is a fresh new box
[02:36] <szal> graft: other than that, there hasn't been a kernel update for Oneiric yet since its release
[02:39] <Belial``> i recently had a wubi install of kubuntu 11.10 just to check some things out. well, i finally decided to wipe my drive and install kubuntu 11.10 normally. however, now with a normal install, kwin effects only work under xrender instead of opengl
[02:39] <graft> blech.. realtek has drivers for 2.6 and 2.4 but no 3.0 it seems
[02:39] <Belial``> anyone have this problem before? the system is completely up to date.
[02:39] <Belial``> everything worked perfect under the wubi install.
[03:20] <belial``> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3119247.0 anyone know what might be causing this?
[03:30] <number19> i'm trying to create a panel at the top, i select empty panel and when i try to add a system indicator widget the plasma desktop crashes, i'm using kubuntu 11.10 and i've tryed it 3 times on 3 different fresh installs with the same result
[03:30] <number19> is this a known bug that has a fix?
[03:35] <number19> 11.10 seems very stable other than then panel bug i'm experiencing
[06:13] <DaemonFC> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/887432
[06:13] <jmichaelx> does anyone else have unreadable tooltips in libre office?
[06:14] <DaemonFC> What is going on with that? It has been doing this since Natty
[06:35] <noaXess> good morning
[06:36] <noaXess> why does some apps have just a X as task manager icon? see here http://i.imgur.com/54EVH.png
[06:58] <well_laid_lawn> that kinda looks like the xchat icon
[07:13] <noaXess> well_laid_lawn: hm.... yeah.. but i think it's a default icon if X doesn't find/see the defined for the app..
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> could be
[07:13] <noaXess> don't know how taskmanager gets that icon..
[07:15] <noaXess> well_laid_lawn: see here.. http://i.imgur.com/4OWS4.png in the moment i use smoothtasks...
[07:16] <noaXess> for tweedeck it's the same problem..
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try a different icon theme
[07:18] <kesten> I have a question about Startup Disc Creator
[07:18] <noaXess> the apps that are showed as an X in taskmanager or smoothtasks, has this X also in the system menu: http://i.imgur.com/Je5M7.png
[07:47] <zorobabel> Kubuntu is pretty awesome
[08:24] <zorobabel> but software manager is not working for me after switching to KDE
[08:25] <jtr__> zorobabel: run muon ?
[08:25] <jtr__> zorobabel: and apper for updating
[08:26] <zorobabel> okay, let me try
[08:27] <jtr__> zorobabel: default apps vary for different desktop environments , so muon is your new package manager, and apper is the new software updater :)
[08:27] <jtr__> zorobabel: but your old things should still run( with an odd looking window of-course )
[08:27] <joro> Hello
[08:28] <jtr__> zorobabel: worked ?
[08:28] <joro> Yes
[08:28] <zorobabel> it works but in muon getting this error: "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided."
[08:28] <jtr__> zorobabel: running it from terminal ?
[08:28] <joro> Ok
[08:28] <zorobabel> no
[08:28] <zorobabel> but I can
[08:29] <jtr__> zorobabel: sudo apt-get install polkit-kde-1
[08:29] <zorobabel> okay
[08:30] <jtr__> zorobabel: it is a background proc that manages the authentication issues , like the gnome-keyring ( if you dont understand this part, its still ok )
[08:30] <zorobabel> thank you
[08:30] <jtr__> zorobabel: working ?
[08:30] <zorobabel> one sec
[08:30] <zorobabel> brb
[08:35] <zorobabel> it worked, thanks
[08:35] <jtr__> zorobabel: is it working now ?
[08:35] <jtr__> zorobabel: great :)
[09:06] <vprints> Good morning :)
[09:06] <vprints> anybody familiar with kubuntu translation system here?
[09:07] <vprints> Do current translations of kubuntu come directly from upstream or from launchpad?
[09:08] <vprints> why i'm asking is that i'm starting with translations again
[09:08] <jussi> vprints: I cant answer that, but Im sure if you /join #ubuntu-translators they will be better able to answer you
[09:09] <vprints> is is there a point in translating in LP or are there completely ignored
[09:10] <vprints> jussi: aha, thanks
[09:12] <adminn> всем привет
[09:13] <vprints> zdrastvuite
[09:14] <adminn> language-selector-qt doesn't work!
[09:16] <adminn> I click "install new language" button and it isn't starting
[09:44] <Guest96853> f
[10:17] <katsrc> hey
[10:17] <katsrc> since Google+ Pages came out, there should be Kubuntu page there.
[12:18] <Guest64052> \join
[12:32] <yggdrasil> hi, when im in terminal
[12:32] <yggdrasil> and i run a dpkg ... i get the screens where it asks questions a.. and i cant read them the color scheme is whacked..
[12:57] <sirfilip> morning
[13:31] <zorobabel> hello
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:47] <ryangauger> How do I connect to a wireless network on Kubuntu 11.10? It didn't work for me with Kubuntu 11.04 either...
[13:54] <BluesKaj> ryangauger, which wifi card ?
[14:13] <ryangauger> Sorry, BluesKaj for the wait,  I don't know. Kubuntu recognizes the wifi connection, but when clicking on it, trying to connect, it displays on the panel, "Waiting for Authorization". But no authorization box pops up asking for the password.
[14:15] <peace> how to upgrade from 3.6.23 to newest firefox? i tried downloading from official website but it installed 3.6.23 instead of 7.0.1
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ryangauger,yes i understand , but we need to know which wifi card , run , lshw -C network , in the terminal .
[14:34] <romeyro> hi everyone
[14:34] <romeyro> i have a 5.1 sound with which i have trouble
[14:35] <romeyro> when i listen music from internet and my kubuntu partition its working
[14:36] <romeyro> but when i want to listen to my music from my ntfs partition (win7), there is no sound and yesterday it was working well
[14:37] <DarsVaeda> hi, how do I set dolphin to always use detailed view?
[14:38] <romeyro> DarsVaeda: on the top of dolphin you have preview mode and window mode
[14:38] <romeyro> DarsVaeda: around find
[14:39] <DarsVaeda> don't get it
[14:39] <DarsVaeda> there is a button "preview" and also buttons for detailed view and so on
[14:40] <DarsVaeda> but if I click on a new folder it always goes back to the icons view mode
[14:40] <romeyro> oh my bad you want this kind of view by default
[14:40] <romeyro> hum let me check
[14:41]  * DarsVaeda nods furiously :)
[14:41] <DarsVaeda> found nothing in the settings
[14:42] <DarsVaeda> ha! I found it
[14:42] <BluesKaj> DarsVaeda, , try click ing on the "view">detailed view
[14:43] <romeyro> DarsVaeda: ok i found the solution :P
[14:43] <DarsVaeda> no you have to click the settings icon
[14:43] <romeyro> DarsVaeda: on the left part of the window
[14:43] <DarsVaeda> then "adjust preview settings"
[14:43] <romeyro> there is a button view proprieties
[14:44] <romeyro> select the option you want and make sure to select apply to all folders
[14:44] <romeyro> and check use there view proprities as default
[14:45] <BluesKaj> DarsVaeda, if I choose the view in the toolbar then viewmode then details , the setting holds
[14:46] <romeyro> just under minimise and close button top left
[14:46] <DarsVaeda> BluesKaj: strange does not for me
[14:46] <DarsVaeda> uhm whatever now it works, thanks :)
[14:46] <romeyro> you have configure and controle dolphin
[14:46] <romeyro> i mean top right
[14:47] <BluesKaj> romeyro, is correct , about apply to all folders in the in view properties
[14:47] <DarsVaeda> I found it
[14:47] <BluesKaj> been a wile since I set those settings :)
[14:48] <romeyro> same here
[14:49] <romeyro> i have a HD on which i put all my data. but its an nfts. When i want to play some music there is no sound
[14:49] <romeyro> anyone have an idea about how to fix it
[14:50] <BluesKaj> romeyro, what about music on your linux partition ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> does it play?
[14:50] <romeyro> i have some show tv and the sound is good
[14:51] <romeyro> the sound from the system and youtube works well
[14:51] <romeyro> its a  5.1 surround that i have
[14:54] <BluesKaj> which player romeyro ?
[14:54] <romeyro> i tried with amarock and audacious
[14:55] <BluesKaj> VLC ?
[14:55] <romeyro> let me try
[14:57] <romeyro> its working but the sound is greeching
[14:57] <romeyro> its not clear
[15:00] <BluesKaj> romeyro, do you have pulseaudio installed ? if so you should open phon and make sure the proper soundcard device is being used m which is the same as the listed in phonon device prefence.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> err open phonon
[15:01] <phunyguy_work> On the same topic as Music, I am trying to import some CDs from my collection, and KIO seems to not like it very much.  It is painful to even browse the CD in Dolphin.
[15:01] <phunyguy_work> super slow with no CD activity.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, try cdrao / cdrecord in the terminal
[15:01] <romeyro> BluesKaj: i see Phonon in system setting - multimedia - Phonon
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> what will that get me?
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> I prefer to use Dolphin, I like it's features.
[15:02] <phunyguy_work> drag and go.
[15:02] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, how about k3b
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> to import a CD?
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> anything that uses KIO is super slow with CDs
[15:03] <BluesKaj> yup
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> tried with Amarok and that was even more of a headache
[15:03] <BluesKaj> dd then
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> would /kind of/ like a solution to the problem, not a band aid.
[15:03] <phunyguy_work> :)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> dd dev/whatevercdrom
[15:04] <romeyro> phunyguy_work: if you have wine you can use audiograber + lame(its a plugin to get a better sound quality)
[15:04] <phunyguy_work> I want to figure out what is going on with KIO
[15:04] <phunyguy_work> and I prefer vorbis ;)
[15:04] <phunyguy_work> this actually works OK on another PC, but my main PC is the concern.  doesn't work so hot on there.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> whyn compress at all , just wav copy .
[15:05] <BluesKaj> if you want quality sound
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> wav?  FLAC maybe
[15:05] <BluesKaj> no not flac , why bother
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> but I honestly can't tell the difference between CD and OGG...
[15:05] <phunyguy_work> HD space?
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> we all can't afford 25TB.
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> why is everyone dodging the issue? lol
[15:06] <BluesKaj> c'mon gimme a break
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> I am actually a big FLAC fan... but it takes too much space.
[15:06] <phunyguy_work> I use it when I need it.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, what issue , you're the one hung up KIO sound quality yet you want to use lossy codecs
[15:07] <romeyro> haha, thats why i have a separate HD i ahve all my music there
[15:07] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: not sure I follow.;
[15:07] <BluesKaj> no i guess not , nm
[15:07] <phunyguy_work> I like how Dolphin browses the CD, gives me an OGG folder that I can just drop in the Music folder.
[15:08] <phunyguy_work> then use Picard to tag.
[15:08] <phunyguy_work> tag/rename.
[15:08] <phunyguy_work> but the problem is a speed issue.  Browsing said CD is VERY slow.  15-20 second response time entering and backing out of folders.
[15:09] <phunyguy_work> When i have 300 CDs to rip... it gets painful.
[15:09] <romeyro> i just find why the sound is not clear,
[15:09] <BluesKaj> dolphin isn't meant for media copying afaik
[15:10] <romeyro> my subwoofer is not working i dont know why
[15:10] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: please explain why the features are there, than.
[15:10] <romeyro> when i m on windows it works
[15:10] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, why should I explain , I don't use it and i know very few ppl who do
[15:11] <phunyguy_work> in the left pane i get a shortcut to the CD drive, I click that, wait 20 seconds, then up pops a directory structure containing, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, CDA, Full CD, etc. If you delve into those folders, it has a listing of the files in that format.  You drag those files out into your collection, and it encodes as it copies.
[15:12] <phunyguy_work> seems pretty fantastic, if only it would work right./
[15:12] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, , you seem to be showing you linux chops , why not figure it out for yourself instead of being dismissive
[15:13] <phunyguy_work> how am I being dismissive? I am just requesting help with a specific issue.  Everyone keeps throwing bandaids out as solutions.
[15:14] <phunyguy_work> I apologize if my comments come out abrasive.  That was not intended.
[15:15] <phunyguy_work> Just simply saying, there are some nice built in features that I would like to use.
[15:16] <phunyguy_work> actually I think my issues are unrelated to the CD ripping.
[15:16] <phunyguy_work> seems browsing my home folder is a bit painful as well ATM.
[15:16] <phunyguy_work> brb.
[15:17]  * genii-around suspects Strigi/Akonadi
[15:17]  * phunyguy_work agrees.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do
[15:19] <loxs> is there some easy "recipe" (package list to remove) in order to get to a minimal kde setup. Mostly I want to get rid of all the "semantic" shit.
[15:20] <loxs> (if it's possible)
[15:21] <romeyro> loxs: i dont know how to do it if its not by deleting software installed from the Muon software center
[15:22] <loxs> romeyro, how do you do it your way?
[15:23] <romeyro> loxs: Application/system/Muon Software Center from Kde menu
[15:24] <romeyro> loxs:  click on installed software and uninstall what u dont need, but make sure what u uninstalling
[15:24] <loxs> yeah, I can do that with dpkg -l   | grep -i kde too
[15:24] <loxs> the tricky part is in "make sure"
[15:24] <romeyro> yeah :S
[15:25] <loxs> and I was asking exactly that. "which packages are not essential and can be removed"
[15:25] <phunyguy_work> I think I may have found the culprit...   I am having a major issue with samba over this 10mb VPN connection.
[15:28] <phunyguy_work> I get 50-150KB/s over it, when it should be closer to 900KB/s to 1MB/s.  with HTTP over this VPN connection, I get that speed, but samba (whether it be via cp command or in Dolphin) it is very slow.
[15:29] <phunyguy_work> and that same lack of speed is causing dolphin's freezeups for 20 seconds with each folder click (when not in the samba share even.  just in home folder)
[15:29] <phunyguy_work> just to verify I will disable the shares.
[15:32] <phunyguy_work> Well I'll be....  problem persists with shares unmounted, and all references removed.
[15:33] <tdn> after upgradeing to kubuntu 11.10, networkmanager does no longer automatically connect to wifi netwo
[15:33] <tdn> rks that I have configured. Also, it does not remember entered wifi passphrases. How to fix this?
[15:34] <phunyguy_work> HAH!  It is related to the CD.
[15:34] <phunyguy_work> removed that, and it stopped choking.
[15:35] <phunyguy_work> So just having an audio CD in the drive, makes Dolphin quite unresponsive.
[15:35] <phunyguy_work> any ideas?
[15:38] <ramaloce> 1
[15:42] <BluesKaj> trying to replicate copying a cd to my music file in dolphin ..takes a while to read the cd about 2 mins it seems then it begins to cioy
[15:42] <BluesKaj> +copy
[15:42] <phunyguy_work> aahhhh... This CD is not liked by Dolphin, perhaps because it has 69 tracks, with like 59 of them being less than 1 second.  (hidden track)
[15:42] <phunyguy_work> (Tool - Undertow)
[15:43] <BluesKaj> uhm ,, yeah
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> still.. seems like a KDE issue, not the CD issue.
[15:43] <phunyguy_work> it's a valid CD.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> try an regular cd with 12-20 tracks
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's also converting on the fly btw , that also takes time
[15:46] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: that's what I did. tried a CD with 6 tracks, and it is super speedy browsing.
[15:46] <phunyguy_work> BluesKaj: I haven't told it to convert yet.
[15:47] <phunyguy_work> and this is a regular CD.... with 69 tracks.
[15:47] <phunyguy_work> number of tracks shouldn't be a factor like this.
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I'm doing a straight copy from a David Gilmour compilation cd that I made yrs ago , we'll see haow it turns out in amin or 2
[15:49] <phunyguy_work> Extraction works nice too on the smaller CD.  I will try the 69 track one here in a second.
[15:50] <phunyguy_work> I wonder if CDDB is the issue.  It seemed to take forever to look up this 6 track EP, but at least Dolphin wasn't locked up.
[15:53] <phunyguy_work> naah it can't be.  browsing the 69 track CD had all the info and it was still very slow.
[15:57] <phunyguy_work> Ripping seems to work OK.  It's just browsing.
[15:58] <phunyguy_work> for example, I scrolled the mousewheel down to see the rest of the file list, and it did nothing, I dragged the Ogg Vorbis folder over, and it started copying that / encoding... then about 20 seconds in, the file list finally scrolled...
[15:58] <phunyguy_work> quite strange.
[15:58] <phunyguy_work> well ripping is working, so I will be patient with Dolphin while it rips.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> wonder about icedax, it bypasses the soundcard etc , for direct copy to you target
[16:02] <BluesKaj> your target
[16:04] <phunyguy_work> Fantastic... CDDB makes me nuts.  Artist: "Tool - Undertow",  Album: "Tool - Undertow"
[16:04] <phunyguy_work> good job uploader!
[16:04] <phunyguy_work> good thing these will be hit with picard in a bit
[16:08] <BluesKaj> romeyro, do your ntfs music files play now ?
[16:15] <phunyguy_work> an 11 track CD works OK as well.
[16:15] <mr-rich> Ok, sounds through web browsers have stopped playing ... any clues?
[16:15] <mr-rich> ie: youtube, etc ...
[16:16] <phunyguy_work> mr-rich: have you restarted (all instances of) the browser?
[16:16] <phunyguy_work> sounds like a flash plugin crash.
[16:16] <phunyguy_work> had it happen many times.
[16:17] <mr-rich> phunyguy_work: yes ... started all 3 browsers ... FF, Chrome & Recong
[16:17] <phunyguy_work> hmmm....
[16:17] <mr-rich> phunyguy_work: video works ... no sound
[16:18] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, pulseaudio installed
[16:18] <phunyguy_work> no idea.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:19] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: yup ... and I also can't access the mic on my web cam either ...
[16:20] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: well except in Audacity ...
[16:21] <BluesKaj> mr , check phonon  device preferemce , test the cards listed or the pulseaudio sound server , whatever is listed there
[16:21] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, ^
[16:22] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: Done several times ... internal card is selected on all devices ...
[16:23] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: on audio in, cam mic is greyed out ...
[16:24] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, I have the same problem except I don't have pulseaudio installed ...check for pulseaudio in the terminal
[16:25] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: deamon already running ...
[16:25] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, did you check the device setting for pulseaudio in phonon ?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> device setting tab
[16:26] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: I think so ... what exactly am I looking for"\
[16:26] <mr-rich> ?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> the device setting tab
[16:27] <mr-rich> Audio Hardware Setup tab?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:31] <mr-rich> looking now ... what am I looking for?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> the same card that's listed in the device preferences
[16:32] <mr-rich> hmmmm ..... I might have my mic back ... time for a skype test call ...
[16:35] <mr-rich> Ok, same card ... what do I change? profile?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> no
[16:36] <BluesKaj> if it's the same card the just click apply if it's highligted
[16:38] <BluesKaj> now, in the terminal , sudo alsa force-reload , if that doesn't work , you may have to reboot
[16:39] <mr-rich> Ok, got Mic workng sorta ... it blays back at high speed ... I sound like alvin ...
[16:40] <phunyguy_work> I would keep it like that/
[16:41] <phunyguy_work> just sayin'.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> mr-rich,  what about webconent audio , like youtube flash etc
[16:45] <mr-rich> BluesKaj: still not poaying ...
[16:45] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, did you reboot?
[16:46] <mr-rich> not yet ... I'll have to figure this out later ... gotta go ...
[16:46] <mr-rich> dammit ...
[16:46] <BluesKaj> make sure you have multiarch support installed as well if you're 11.10
[16:48] <mr-rich> multi arch support?
[16:48] <mr-rich> is that in apper?
[16:49] <mr-rich> It is installed ...
[16:50] <mr-rich> dammit ... gotta go ...
[16:52] <romeyro> BluesKaj: do you have any idea about that , i installed wine but its not appear in my Kmenu
[16:52] <romeyro> i deleted it after i uninstalled it 3 days ago
[16:56] <BluesKaj> romeyro, not sure , have you rebooted since you instlled wine ,,it should show in the apps
[16:57] <romeyro> yes i rebooted
[16:59] <BluesKaj> romeyro, alt+f2 wine
[17:00] <romeyro> nothing hapened, but i m able to open winecfg
[17:00] <romeyro> from konsole
[17:01] <tdn> after upgrading to kubuntu 11.10, networkmanager does no longer automatically connect to wifi networks that I have configured. Also, it does not remember entered wifi passphrases. How to fix this?
[17:03] <phunyguy_work> OK, I am putting my OGGs in a subfolder of a USB drive that I have.  I am having Amarok use that USB HDD like it would use any removeable device, but i can't get it to see any of the audio tracks in there.  Does it not read subfolders?
[17:03] <phunyguy_work> I hit the configure button on the drive in amarok, and told it where the music is, and it shows 0 tracks still.
[17:04] <phunyguy_work> running amarok from command line shows no errors.
[17:06] <romeyro> BluesKaj:  its ok i just restore the default menu config
[17:08] <BluesKaj> tdn, sudo dhclient wlan0
[17:11] <romeyro> but now i have another trouble, i dont remember how i fixed it on my laptop, but when i clic on "browse c:" from wine menu i get the following message
[17:11] <romeyro> file:///home/romeyro/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[17:12] <romeyro> Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:///home/romeyro/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c: does not exist.
[17:12] <romeyro> its the wrong directory by the way, the right one is : file:///home/romeyro/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[17:12] <romeyro> how can i change it
[17:14] <lorenza> hi
[17:15] <tdn> BluesKaj, how will dhclient fix networkmanager?
[17:15] <genii-around> romeyro: Run winecfg
[17:15] <romeyro> but i cant change the C: directory from wincfg, the c: is locked in drives
[17:16] <genii-around> romeyro: Did you at some point do something like use sudo to run wine?
[17:17] <romeyro> no
[17:19] <genii-around> romeyro: If you do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall wine    that should original config files and so on back in place
[17:21] <romeyro> genii-around:  i just did it. But its still pointing the directory file:///home/romeyro/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c:  instead of file:///home/romeyro/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[17:22] <BluesKaj> tdn, did you do an ifconfig to check if nm sees the router/modem
[17:23] <gribouille> hi
[17:23] <gribouille> is kmail1 available in oneiric?
[17:24] <paulo> can someone please mention me?
[17:24] <paulo> just testing something
[17:24] <paulo> paulo
[17:24] <gribouille> paulo,
[17:24] <paulo> paulo
[17:24] <romeyro> genii-around:  its ok, i figured out how to changed the path from the config file
[17:25] <romeyro> genii-around: I've changed the line in /usr/share/applications/wine-browsedrive.desktop to Exec=xdg-open $HOME/.wine/dosdevices/c:
[17:25] <paulo> thanks gribouille
[17:25] <lorenza> ciao
[17:25] <gribouille> is kmail1 available in oneiric?
[17:27] <genii-around> gribouille: Not from the standard repositories.
[17:29] <gribouille> genii-around, I need to migrate from maverick to oneiric. will I have a lot of problems?
[17:30] <genii-around> gribouille: You'd probably be better off to make a fresh 11.10 install
[17:32] <gribouille> genii-around, that's what I intend to do. but the data will have to be migrated. can it be done without problems?
[17:33] <genii-around> gribouille: It's impossible to say, every user's situation may be different. I do know there have been a lot of problems with kmail2 importing kmail1 messages.
[17:34] <gribouille> genii-around, and for the account configuration?
[17:35] <genii-around> gribouille: That went smoothly on my box here. But again, depending on where your mailserver is, your mileage may vary
[17:45] <hanthana> which KDE version comes with Kubuntu 11.10?
[17:45] <EvilResistance> hanthana:  sec, i'll check
[17:47] <DarthFrog> 4.7
[17:47] <EvilResistance> KDE 4.7 from what i can tell.
[17:47] <EvilResistance> yeah
[17:47]  * EvilResistance searched through the dev files ;P
[17:48] <hanthana> guys, i want to build a Kubuntu based localized spin
[17:48] <DarthFrog> EvilResistance:  You don't have to do that.  Click on "Help" on any KDE app and then click on "About KDE".
[17:48] <hanthana> can I build it with KDE 4.7.3?
[17:49] <EvilResistance> DarthFrog:  except i'm not on oneiric ;P
[17:49] <EvilResistance> DarthFrog:  i'm still on natty
[17:49]  * EvilResistance has not yet upgraded
[17:49] <oldos2er> hanthana, i don't think 4.7.3 has made it to the repos yet, unless it's in a PPA.
[17:49] <DarthFrog> hanthana:  4.7.3 is in the PPA.
[17:49] <hanthana> PPA means?
[17:49]  * DarthFrog is running 4.7.3
[17:49] <DarthFrog> !ppa
[17:49] <DarthFrog> !addppa
[17:50] <hanthana> Dragnslcr: its mean i can build that kubuntu spin right?
[17:52] <hanthana> i never use kubuntu but i want to get it done
[17:52] <tdn> BluesKaj, it does. It is just that it does not connect automatically. And that it does not remember wifi passwords. It can connect alright.
[17:57] <hanthana> DarthFrog: when we can expect KDE 4.7.3 on Kubuntu as KDE 4.7.3 released on 1st of November 2011
[17:59] <DarthFrog> hanthana: It's available right now.  Add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu oneiric main".  Then type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[18:01] <hanthana> DarthFrog: ok, thanks. and kde 4.7.4 is scheduled to release on 6th of December 2011, then when we can expect it on Kubuntu repos?
[18:01] <DarthFrog> Or instead of editing that file, type "apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa "
[18:01] <DarthFrog> hanthana: Sometime after Dec. 6/11. :-)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> hanthana, if you still have the ppa in your sources.list , yes
[18:03]  * DarthFrog thinks the apt-add-repository command is better than editing the sources.list file.
[18:03]  * BluesKaj wonders when the alsa-flash bug is gonna be looked at and fixed , becoming fed up the pulseaudio bugs as well
[18:03] <hanthana> ok
[18:04] <hanthana> DarthFrog: BluesKaj thanks, i never installed or use Kubuntu but i will :)
[18:04] <BluesKaj> i should have said sources.lst.d
[18:05] <BluesKaj> hanthana, what are you using now ?
[18:05] <hanthana> BluesKaj: fedora
[18:05] <hanthana> and I do a Fedora remix too
[18:05] <DarthFrog> hanthana:  All you have do is issue this command:  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and you will have your choice of which desktop will run when logging in at the graphical login screen.
[18:06] <hanthana> I want to try Kubuntu based spin with all my translations in KDE l10n repo
[18:06] <DarthFrog> hanthana: And if you're run the apt-add-repo command beforehand, you'll even get KDE 4.7.3.
[18:06] <hanthana> ok ok
[18:07] <BluesKaj> DarthFrog, he's on fedora , the commands are differnt I believe
[18:07] <hanthana> are there any buit in tools for Kubuntu remix?
[18:07] <hanthana> i think i should have a fresh Kubuntu system to do this
[18:07] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:08] <hanthana> neither Ubuntu nor Kubuntu
[18:08] <phunyguy_work> is that person still in here that was having issues with youtube videos?
[18:08] <DarthFrog> hanthana: Ah, I see.  yeah, installing the kubuntu-desktop on Fedora wouldn't work. :-)
[18:09] <phunyguy_work> Because all of a sudden, I am as well.
[18:09] <hanthana> DarthFrog: obviusly ;-)
[18:09] <hanthana> i am downloading Kubuntu 11.10 right now
[18:10] <BluesKaj> phunyguy_work, nope he left , he was ahving audio problems on webcontent . but I have the same problem , however if I install pulseaudio and set it up correctly flash audio works
[18:10] <phunyguy_work> hmmm...
[18:10] <phunyguy_work> it was working recently.
[18:11] <BluesKaj> but then pulse screws up my digital spdif passthru
[18:14] <phunyguy_work> what gives, why would sound just stop working like that?
[18:15] <DarthFrog> phunyguy_work:  It's like the dancing dog.  It's not so much that it dances badly but the wonder is that it dances at all.  :-)  Computers are exactly like that.
[18:16] <phunyguy_work> DarthFrog: thanks for the analogy but it doesn't help me any... ;)
[18:16] <DarthFrog> phunyguy_work:  Nope.  :-)
[18:17] <phunyguy_work> actually I am getting no sound at all
[18:19] <DarthFrog> phunyguy_work:  Install the pavucontrol, paman, paprefs packages.  Use them to control pulse.
[18:19] <phunyguy_work> rather not use pulse.
[18:19] <phunyguy_work> going to restart
[18:19] <phunyguy_work> brb
[18:21] <DarthFrog> Hmm, no padevchooser package in Oneiric.
[18:23] <phunyguy_work> sounds are back
[18:26] <phunyguy_work> Is there a way to only show icons with no text labels in the task manager widget?
[18:29] <oldos2er> phunyguy, check http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Icon+Tasks?content=144808
[18:30] <semitones> hello
[18:31] <semitones> I downloaded and installed a plasmoid .deb from here, but I am at a loss how to  find it: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tea+Cooker?content=85564
[18:32] <semitones> there looks like some stuff in /usr/lib/kde4, but when I point the "install plasmoid from a local file" down there, it can't find any
[18:33] <oldos2er> semitones, did you install it from a deb file?
[18:33] <semitones> oldos2er: yes
[18:33] <oldos2er> semitones, if you haven't already, try restarting kde
[18:34] <semitones> oldos2er: what's the best way?
[18:34] <oldos2er> semitones, log out and log back in, or reboot
[18:34] <semitones> thanks
[18:34] <oldos2er> sometimes i have to do that before the plasma widget shows up
[18:35] <oldos2er> you're welcome
[18:35] <phunyguy_work> thanks oldos2er
[18:35] <oldos2er> welcome  :)
[18:36] <oldos2er> bye for now
[18:44] <semitones> well that didn't work, tea cooker is still not there
[18:45] <semitones> any other ideas?
[18:53] <phunyguy_work> one more silly issue.  I restored the default plasma panel, and had to manually add the message indicator, but now it shows a wrench next to it sometimes, hiding other icons.
[18:54] <phunyguy_work> the little configure wrench
[18:54] <phunyguy_work> and the wrench is also visible when i hover over it.
[18:57] <phunyguy_work> GRRR... and now desktop effects aren't working.
[18:58] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: pkill kwin && kwin --replace
[18:59] <phunyguy_work> that didnt enable them
[18:59] <Peace-> i know
[19:05] <kubuntuianer> is there a way to sync Kontacs with my phone via bluetooth? I usually used sync-evolution for this job but since I'm using KDE I need an alternative. Can someone help?
[19:06] <Peace-> kubuntuianer: mmm i dunno
[19:08] <phunyguy_work> So any ideas on this message indicator showing a wrench when hovered?
[19:08] <phunyguy_work> I can provide a screenshot if requested/
[19:10] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: screenshot
[19:11] <adi11> hi all.  fresh install of kubuntu 11.10 on my hp dv6700. on power managment window it offers me only "performace" option. is there any thing to install to set it "on demand"?
[19:11] <Peace-> adi11: looking
[19:12] <adi11> my hp is not doing anything and tha fan is always working at slow but anoying speed
[19:12] <adi11> thanks
[19:13] <phunyguy_work> Peace-: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4kvg5v&s=5
[19:14] <adi11> other question i have... i used to love katapult. where is katapult on kde 4.7.3?
[19:14] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: look at this to paste a screenshot quicly http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119
[19:15] <panconpalta> hi
[19:15] <panconpalta> hola
[19:15] <phunyguy_work> Peace-: I already send it via tinypic
[19:15] <panconpalta> i need a one help
[19:17] <adi11> what is the best launcher in KDE? where is katapult?
[19:17] <Peace-> adi11: there is lancelot
[19:17] <Peace-> or qml plasmoid
[19:17] <Peace-> the classical menu... or the standar one
[19:18] <adi11> i am looking for somethin like gnome do. or quicksilver
[19:18] <Peace-> krunner ?
[19:19] <adi11> krunner is far away of what katapult used to be. just lunching apps. no need to make me sandwich :)
[19:19] <phunyguy_work> Peace-: even better: http://oi41.tinypic.com/4kvg5v.jpg
[19:20] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: kde version ?
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> Peace-: 4.7.3
[19:20] <Peace-> adi11: i am watching somethig related to gnome2
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> errr
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> 4.7.2
[19:20] <phunyguy_work> typo.
[19:20] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: would you like try my panels?
[19:21] <phunyguy_work> hey now, can we have dinner and a movie first?
[19:21] <phunyguy_work> ;)
[19:21] <phunyguy_work> and no thanks.
[19:21] <Peace-> phunyguy_work: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/08/plasma-desktopkR1428.jpg
[19:21] <phunyguy_work> my netbook did this as well when manually adding a message indicator applet
[19:21] <Peace-> i have a script for this
[19:21] <Peace-> btw
[19:22] <phunyguy_work> I wonder if a restart of the plasma workspace will fix it
[19:23] <phunyguy_work> nope.
[19:26] <Peace-> who is hte one that has said gnome do stuff?
[19:27] <adi11>  its me PEace
[19:27] <Peace-> wtf gnome do it's like alt F2
[19:28] <adi11> i think you are wrong
[19:28] <adi11> gnome do is very much more
[19:29] <adi11> but i don like it here cause i am on kde
[19:29] <adi11> kde use to have Katapult
[19:29] <Peace-> adi11: when i type alt f2 i got this http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/08/plasma-desktopWD8852.jpg
[19:29] <adi11> cant find it anymore
[19:30] <adi11> thats Krunner i think
[19:30] <Peace-> yes
[19:31] <adi11> but for me cant start even firefox
[19:31] <adi11> or i dont know how to use it
[19:31] <Peace-> wtf type firefox and then press enter
[19:31] <BluesKaj> look in the panel Peace- , you have 3krunners there
[19:31] <adi11> on katapult i only type "F" and it would start firefox
[19:32] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[19:32] <adi11> kruner cant do it for me
[19:32] <Peace-> adi11: click on the icons... there is a configuration button...
[19:32] <adi11> yeah i am checking i t out
[19:34] <Peace-> adi11: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/08/plasma-desktopRu8852.jpg
[19:34] <adi11> i will try.
[19:34] <adi11> thanks
[19:39] <adi11> ok i thk this krunner can do it. :)
[19:39] <Peace-> adi11: it's a calculator too
[19:39] <Peace-> just type  =40/2
[19:39] <adi11> whre do i find some skins . this default way it ugly
[19:40] <adi11> i know it can do a lot of stuff. but i intend to use it as a app launcher
[19:40] <adi11> some bookmarks ect its ok too
[19:40] <Peace-> adi11: systemsettings  http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/08/plasma-desktopvP8852.jpg
[19:42] <Peace-> adi11: and of course you can mix themes ... http://wstaw.org/m/2011/11/08/plasma-desktopET8852.jpg
[19:43] <adi11> oxygen with faenza icons is the best for me :)
[19:45] <BluesKaj> adi11, you can add apps to panel , then launch from there
[19:46] <adi11> you mean use the mouse and click click :)
[19:47] <adi11> i like the keyboard better.
[19:48] <Peace-> systemsettings shortcut
[19:48] <Peace-> or dolphin ==> link to command
[19:48] <Peace-> then you can put the icon in the panel
[19:55] <tdn> After upgrading to kubuntu 11.10, networkmanager does no longer automatically connect to wifi networks that I have configured. Also, it does not remember entered wifi passphrases. How do I fix this?
[19:56] <Peace-> tdn: mmm try with a new user
[20:39] <pasnox_> hello
[20:39] <pasnox_> i'm running kubuntu oneiric with kde sc 4.7.3
[20:39] <tdn> Peace-, how does that fix anything?
[20:39] <pasnox_> and kopete can't connect to msn account, any hint ?
[20:39] <pasnox_> it was working fine before
[20:39] <tdn> Peace-, I took great care to backup my home dir -- including my .kde folder in order to keep my settings.
[20:43] <MeanderingCode> Hello.  Anyone here using oxygen-gtk and have messed up element outline highlighting?  http://uppix.net/1/0/d/484ebd4602a263eba6b3a1119c5a8.png
[21:12] <awesomeape> Hi there
[21:13] <awesomeape> I'm experiencing problems with skype under KDE. KDEInit could not start Skype
[21:13] <awesomeape> If anyone has had the same problem or knows solution, I would really appreciate
[21:28] <Sir_Brizz> guys I just upgraded to KDE 4.7.3 and now my network manager vpnc connections won't connect anymore
[21:33] <kaddi> is kopete and msn/wlm disagreeing again? I have been unable to connect for 3 days
[21:36] <KjetilK> has anybody been able to enable to use Akonadi for read-write access to Google Calendar?
[21:48] <asfyxia> @kaddi: kopete, emesene and kmess are failing for a couple of days, this is not only happening to you. Pidgin seems still to work. Apparently there are some protocols changed again in Redmond...
[21:48] <kaddi> yay for redmond >.<
[22:00] <Supper_slash> I am sure there is more than enough already, but i was just wondering if i could help in designing the graphics area. Desktops, splash screens, or anything like that. I love kubuntu, and would like to kinda help. but Im not a programmer, or anything much, i am quite good with graphics tho. Is any assistance needed?
[22:02] <well_laid_lawn> Supper_slash: you could ask in #kubuntu-devel
[22:02] <Supper_slash> idk, maybe even icons? I would like to help if i could.
[22:03] <Supper_slash> ok thanks.
[22:27] <kubuntuianer> I bought a card reader (Akasa AK-ICR-11) which also has bluetooth. Bluetooth is working an lsusb show me "Bus 001 Device 007: ID 058f:6362 Alcor Micro Corp. Flash Card Reader/Writer". But the reader is not working. What can I do?
[23:12] <adi11>  hi all. i have a nvidia graphic card nForce 630m. in additional driver. i have 4 version of Nvidia pproprietary drivers. which one should i chose to install. there are a couple of 173, and 2 others one of them is labeled recommended
[23:15] <julio> hola
[23:17] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all. How may I assist, today?
[23:19] <well_laid_lawn> I could do with a coffee
[23:21] <DaemonFC> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3119268.0
[23:21] <DaemonFC> I can't seem to get any answers to this no matter where I post it and how
[23:33] <Phoenixz> Asking this in the nicest way possible but.. Has Kubuntu lost its way? I always had a perfectly working system, even when using alpha versions.. Never really had big problems.. Now, even with official releases, I have a crapload of stability issues..  Sometimes the @#($*@ nepomuk akonadi couple, which are notoriously hard to kill off..
[23:33] <Phoenixz> Other times its google chrome with flash (yes, I know, not kubuntu, but this seems to happen only on kubuntu), many systems suddenly dont work anymore (knetwork mananger that changes EVERY time, and with the last update for some reason it stopped using kwallet all together, I lost all network configurations I had), etc etc etc.. What is happening?
[23:34] <Phoenixz> Skype is another nice example.. Well, not really skype, more like pulse audio.. I cant use skype anymore because with the 11.04 > 11.10 update, the microphone stopped working.. why? skype says its pulse audio, I cant do anything in the audio configuration because instead of the * devices I always saw, I suddenly only see pulse audio..
[23:35] <well_laid_lawn> try a new user to see if it is your configs that are the issue
[23:35] <Phoenixz> From my (very humble) point of view, every new update since 9.10 has been going down in quality.. more stuff like akonadi, that -afaik- nobody wants, and cause problems all over the place..
[23:36] <Phoenixz> well_laid_lawn: about microphone? no.. Tried that already.. its just that it worked, I updated, and its no longer working.. In stead of so many audio devices I see "pulse audio".. wtf... ?
[23:36] <well_laid_lawn> !wtf
[23:37] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[23:42] <Fleck> kmail + IMAP = horrible, mails do not get marked as read, if i delete new mail fast - after few seconds mail is back as NEW mail...
[23:52] <Guest77383> m