[00:04] <system_2011> Anyone there?
[00:15] <poyntz> ayy
[00:15] <poyntz> is kubuntu mav heaps brighter than win 7 or is that just me?
[00:16] <James147> poyntz: i wouldent have said so....
[00:18] <poyntz> James147: is there anyway to make the white in ff and chrome and oo word less bright?
[00:18] <James147> poyntz: on a laptop?
[00:19] <poyntz> James147: yep
[00:19] <James147> poyntz: then turn down the back light (click on the battery widget)
[00:27] <sithlord48> is medibuntu up for natty?
[00:52] <poyntz> top stuff on linux-image-2.6.35-24 ! my distro now acts like its on 64-bit =D
[00:54] <poyntz> can anyone help me get omaque working?
[01:02] <poyntz> pls explain this to me ~ http://pastebin.com/W4t2duc8
[01:30] <Patricia> my ubuntu not be riding my stick alone, I need to manually mount
[02:00] <rtdos> help! every once in awhile while i'm working in an application: firefox, kate, terminal, etc. KDE will what appears to re-initiate my login causing me to lose everything.  Is this a known issue?
[02:01] <James147> rtdos: not seen it do that before :s ... could you see if it happens with a new user?
[02:23] <rtdos> i'll try a new account and keep you posted.
[02:29] <elkng> why dont they put "Midnight Commander" in "kubuntu live CD" ?
[02:30] <rtdos> here is my xsession-errors log, james147:   http://pastebin.com/LQXxKqRQ
[02:33] <rtdos> james, here is my log from /var/log/X.0.log  -   http://pastebin.com/GJuXS6ch
[02:34] <James147> elkng: my guess is space...
[02:34] <James147> and most people dont need it
[02:39] <lazarus_> kde is alot better than it used to be
[02:40] <James147> lazarus_: when was `use to be`? :)
[02:44] <elkng> James147: for space issues they could remove... X or KDE but not mc
[02:45] <James147> elkng: ^^ then maby you want a different distrabution
[02:45] <Sentynel> elkng: did you typo "#slackware" as "#kubuntu"?
[02:45] <Sentynel> we're the nice fluffy GUI lot
[02:53] <rtdos> here is the OLD log James147 - http://pastebin.com/LcrYN4yv
[02:54]  * James147 isnt very good at finding stuff in the xorg longs :(
[02:54] <James147> logs ^^
[02:54] <lazarus_> they arnt too hard to understand
[02:54] <James147> lazarus_: just never been bothered to look at or understand them
[02:55] <James147> ^^ or needed to
[02:55] <lazarus_> im still not used to kubuntu
[02:59] <elkng> there is an nc.obenbsd, why not original netcat?
[03:00] <Sentynel> elkng: because the openbsd netcat has more features including ipv6 support, I should think
[03:07] <rtdos> are there addtional plugins available for krunner than what is provided?
[03:08] <James147> rtdos: yes try looking at http://kde-look.org/
[03:08] <Sentynel> rtdos: http://kde-apps.org/content/search.php search for "krunner" here
[03:08] <James147> Sentynel: :D
[03:08] <Sentynel> haha, nice
[03:10] <rtdos> is there a way to do a grep search through the command line?
[03:10] <rtdos> ....to look for krunner plugins?
[03:11] <James147> rtdos: what are you trying to achieve?
[03:11] <Sentynel> rtdos: um, well, you could probably scrape the output from the search for plugin information and pipe that through grep, but, er, it's a bit impractical
[03:12] <rtdos> i was wondering if i needed a plug into search my local directory for scripts (and execute them)
[03:12] <Sentynel> easiest way of doing that would just be to add your local directory to the path
[03:13] <rtdos> i can get my scripts to work through the command line but not through krunner.
[03:13] <rtdos> in .bashrc, correct sentynel?
[03:13] <Sentynel> rtdos: yeah, something like this
[03:13] <James147> rtdos: ^^ thatss a bad idea
[03:13] <Sentynel> export PATH=/some/directory:$PATH
[03:14] <Sentynel> as James147 says, though, just adding your home directory isn't very sensible
[03:14] <rtdos> how come?
[03:14] <Sentynel> it'd be better to have a separate folder containing or symlinking to things you want in the path
[03:14] <rtdos> like a folder that contains my scripts?
[03:14] <James147> rtdos: first: the krunner working directory wont change... so you wont really acomplish much... and it opens allot of potential bad things from happening... mostly you begin to forget what is being run..
[03:15] <Sentynel> well, the working directory may not be a problem depending on what the scripts do
[03:15] <James147> rtdos: what you should do is create a folder (ie ~/bin) place your scripts in there (or just a symlink to the scripts in there) then add that absalute path to ~/.bashrc
[03:15] <Sentynel> I wouldn't have thought you'd want to run working directory specific stuff in krunner
[03:15] <James147> relitive paths in your PATH varible are a VERY BAD idea ^^
[03:17] <rtdos> so how this is what it would like like in my .bashrc file "export PATH=/bin/scripts:$PATH" ?
[03:17] <James147> ^^ (add the absalute path to ~/bin to bashrc that is.. ie the line "PATH=~/bin/:$PATH"
[03:18] <James147> rtdos: ^^ come to think of it... i think ~/bin might already be in teh standard bashrc
[03:18] <lazarus_> howdy
[03:18] <rtdos> you mean "PATH=~/bin/scripts:$PATH" ?
[03:18] <Sentynel> James147: it's not in mine, but this install dates back from 8.10 or so so it might have been added
[03:18] <James147> ... if it isent then its also best to check to see if the dirstory exists as well
[03:19] <Sentynel> my own $PATH includes something like /home/sam/python/bin
[03:19] <rtdos> i just created the directory scripts under ~/bin
[03:19] <James147> rtdos: yes, if thats where your scripts are (although, generally people put the scripts directly in the bin folder... or symlinks there from a script folder)
[03:20] <rtdos> (that way I can back up my scripts by just copying the folder)
[03:21] <James147> rtdos: something like this is a good idea: http://pastebin.com/PV84bF9i (added to your ~/.bashrc that is)
[03:22] <rtdos> ok, thanks. i'll try that.
[03:22]  * James147 's .bashrc has gotten really long :S
[03:22] <Sentynel> James147: how long is long?
[03:23] <James147> 2 lines short of 2--
[03:23] <James147> 200
[03:23] <Sentynel> hm, that's pretty long
[03:23] <Sentynel> mine's 128 at the moment
[03:23] <James147> :D but has lots of cool stuff in it
[03:23] <rtdos> better than CMD.EXE   :D
[03:24] <Sentynel> rtdos: don't even joke about that, man
[03:25] <James147> ^^ though to be fair, mine is synced over about 5 computers and 3 different distros :) so has a bit of redundency in it
[03:25] <Sentynel> heh, I'm nowhere near that organised
[03:25] <Sentynel> I keep trying to use aliases I haven't got on my laptop and stuff
[03:26] <James147> Sentynel:  :) yeah, i use to do that... and thats why i now sync it over dropbox ... its nice having one change echo through my computers
[03:27] <James147> http://pastebin.com/gFVJBqmj ^^ thats what mine looks like atm
[03:27] <James147> ^^ still need to find a better way to see if a program is installed :S
[03:29] <Sentynel> checking for output from which is what I'd do
[03:30] <James147> Sentynel: atm I just throw the output away and see if it return successfully... but along the same lines :)
[03:30] <Sentynel> yeah
[03:30] <James147> just feels a bit hackish :)
[03:30] <Sentynel> I can't think of anything neater that can reliably be assumed to be present on $DISTRO
[03:31] <elkng> where can I type in address of my dns server? there is no /etc/resolv.conf
[03:32] <James147> elkng: then create one ^^ note that dhclient will overwrite that file though if you use it (at least I think it dose)
[03:32] <elkng> James147: thanks
[03:33] <rtdos> funny thing is, i understand .bashrc better than autorun.bat/config.sys :)
[03:33] <rtdos> thanks james
[03:33] <rtdos> thanks sentynel
[03:34] <James147> rtdos: thats because bashrc is written in bash... and bash isent designed to be stupidly hard to understand... most of the time ;)
[03:34] <rtdos> hehe, 'most' of the time. :)
[03:35] <James147> rtdos:  :) yeah lines like: PS1="${EMK}${UC}\u${EMK}@${UC}\h ${EMB}\${NEW_PWD}${EMK}${UC}\\$ ${NONE}"   take a while to understand :)
[03:39] <Sentynel> James147: I'd have expected there to be a way to make, say, if [ -f aptitude ] $PATH aware, but there doesn't appear to be, which leaves which
[04:15] <ashok> hi
[04:45] <Nemco> #kubuntu-es
[05:45] <rtdos> how do i remove activities from the activities panel?
[05:46] <James147> rtdos: click teh stop button (a square) then click the x
[05:50] <rtdos> done. i had over a dozen. i wonder if that was what was causing my xserver to crash earlier?
[06:07] <ecinx> hey James147
[06:07] <James147> hey ecinx
[06:07] <ecinx> i've been all over the place with this stuff
[06:09] <ecinx> my kile isn't working properly, the code complete part of it
[06:09] <ecinx> i've tried a lot of programs and they all have their pros, but I can't find a unified solution of the features
[06:10] <ecinx> I like the snippet thing in gedit
[06:10] <ecinx> some stuff from texclipse, and kile. I think if i knew how to edit the plugin in texclipse i would be golden
[06:11] <ecinx> James147: how do I install kile 2.1b5? from synaptic i only get b4
[06:13]  * James147 shrugs... he dosent use kile anymore... but thinks that you may need to compile it from source if it isent in the repos
[06:13] <James147> ^^ you could see if its in the beta or backports repo... but if it isent then you might need to build it from source
[06:14]  * James147 has found kubuntu (and well any release based os) to be lacking if you want to balance on the bleeding edge for most of the software you use... finds the rolling release model better for that...
[06:23] <ecinx> James147: how do i check that?
[06:23] <James147> ecinx: do you have either the backports or beta repo enabled>
[06:24] <ecinx> i don't know what that is ill check
[06:24] <James147> ecinx: which verion of kde are you on?
[06:24] <ecinx> 4.6 rc 1
[06:25] <valorie> you'll have beta
[06:25] <valorie> and you'll get rc2 if you update/upgrade
[06:25] <valorie> it's out
[06:25] <James147> yup :)
[06:25]  * valorie is on rc2 now
[06:26] <James147> ecinx: ^^ which means that if kile isent b5 after you upgrade then its unlily to be in the beta repo and you might have to compile from source if you want it :)
[06:26] <ecinx> how do i upgrade?
[06:27] <ecinx> this is the kde version that came when i installed k desktop two days ago
[06:27] <James147> ecinx: then you must of had the beta repo enabled from before you have kde
[06:28] <James147> ecinx: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  or run kpackagekit
[06:28] <James147> valorie: ^^ any problems with the upgrade as of yet?
[06:28] <valorie> nope
[06:28] <ecinx> kpackagekit doesnt work in rc1
[06:29] <valorie> oh well, kpackagekit is crashy
[06:29] <valorie> but I haven't tried again
[06:29] <ecinx> only reason i even considered upgrading but i forgot about it
[06:29] <valorie> let's see
[06:29] <ecinx> valorie: if you got to systems setting sand go to programs you can access it
[06:29] <ecinx> but you can't install anythign since it doesn't ask for a password
[06:29] <valorie> I took the opportunity to install muon
[06:29] <valorie> I've got apt
[06:30] <valorie> that's fine
[06:30] <James147> ecinx: then run: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"  :)
[06:30] <valorie> I mostly used kpk for search
[06:30] <ecinx> in the terminal or alt f2?
[06:30] <James147> valorie: yeah, i find it much quicker to use apt-get or aptitude :0
[06:31] <James147> valorie: , hell... i oly really use kpackagekit to remove repos if i nede to :)
[06:31] <James147> ecinx: any terminal should do
[06:31] <valorie> I've found it useful in all kinds of ways, but muon will do
[06:31] <valorie> as a backup
[06:31] <valorie> until it stops crashing, which it still is
[06:32] <ecinx> since you don't use kile what do you use?
[06:32] <James147> ecinx: mostly vim :)
[06:32] <James147> (+makefiles :D )
[06:33] <ecinx> sweet
[06:34] <ecinx> Do i need to restart?
[06:34] <James147> ecinx: did you get a new kernel?
[06:34] <ecinx> no
[06:34] <James147> ecinx: then no :)
[06:35] <James147> ecinx: i would restart kdm though (logout, it should be on of the options on the login screen)
[06:35] <ecinx> so how do i see if my KDE updated?
[06:35] <ecinx> okays brb
[06:35] <James147> ecinx: then logback in and in any kde program > help > about kde
[06:41] <ecinx> same ol rc1
[06:42] <valorie> I wouldn't be sure about that
[06:43] <valorie> check the Help > About KDE in any KDE app
[06:43] <ecinx> that's what i did
[06:43] <valorie> Platform Version 4.5.95 (4.6 RC2) from Konversation
[06:43] <James147> ecinx: try running the command again (just to make sure) "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:43] <ecinx> wait
[06:44] <ecinx> this only works for kubuntu?
[06:44] <James147> ecinx: what are you in atm?
[06:44] <valorie> well, do you have KDE installed?
[06:44] <ecinx> ubuntu
[06:44] <valorie> you are upgrading KDE
[06:44] <ecinx> valorie:  yes
[06:44] <valorie> so it will only affect KDE apps
[06:44] <James147> ecinx: kubuntu and ubuntu share the same repos, so the command should upgrade both (given they ahve the beta repos and kde installed)
[06:45] <valorie> quassel being one of those
[06:45] <ecinx> i got kde from kubuntudesktop
[06:46] <James147> ecinx: then you have kubuntu (effectivly)
[06:46] <ecinx> nice :)
[06:47] <ecinx> initially i tried to install it straight up, kubuntu that is , but I forgot what the problem was but it didn't work right
[06:47] <James147> ecinx: i suggest trying the command again (if it dosne t upgrade anything then you can try chaning your mirror... or waiting ffor your mirror to sync)
[06:47] <Hama> Hi, i would like tu ask you, if you have some experience witch installing Kubuntu Mobile ARM to HTC Dream?
[06:48] <ecinx> the star in synaptic means there's an upgrade for it?
[06:48]  * James147 dosnt use synaptic so wouldnt know
[06:49] <ecinx> I think so because they are the only ones that give me an optoin to upgrade when i right click them
[06:50] <James147> ecinx: possibally ^^ the command i gave you above, however, will upgrade all youur packages to their latest version
[06:50] <ecinx> hmm
[06:50] <ecinx> lets try again
[06:51] <ecinx> i probalby broke something
[06:51] <ecinx> it didn't upgrade anyting
[06:52] <James147> ecinx: it could be that your mirror is not synced yet
[06:53] <James147> ecinx: if in doupt, you could reboot to make sure you on the lastest verion (although I dont think it will do much)... or change your mirror and try again or wait a day or so and try again
[06:57] <ecinx> big download
[06:57] <James147> yup, you will be needing to down loads the entire kde
[06:57] <ecinx> 153 files
[06:58] <ecinx> it says 2 min remaining so it's not too bad
[07:00] <ecinx> James147: I'm going to try vim
[07:01] <ecinx> when this thing finishes
[07:01] <ecinx> kde desktop kde netbook,, where's kde tablet?
[07:01] <James147> ecinx: :D i suggest you start with vimtutor (and install the "vim" package, if you havent already)
[07:02] <ecinx> i was reading the emacs tutor
[07:02] <ecinx> put me to sleep
[07:02] <James147> ecinx: that would be the netbook one :)
[07:02] <ecinx> but my netbook has an intel i7 vpro
[07:03] <James147> ^^
[07:03] <ecinx> it's heavy though
[07:03] <ecinx> like 4 pounds
[07:03] <ecinx> or 5
[07:04] <ecinx> I have a toshiba 13" that's under 4 lbs
[07:04] <James147> ^^ dosent sound like a netbook, more like a fullon laptop
[07:05] <ecinx> lol, i kknow is a laptop
[07:05] <ecinx> just that KDE says netbook
[07:05] <ecinx> no cddrive though
[07:05] <James147> bah, you dont need a cddrive... havnt used one of them in years
[07:05] <ecinx> I know
[07:06] <ecinx> i dont know why people tell me to get a usb cd
[07:06] <ecinx> optical is dead
[07:06] <ecinx> my blurays look cute in their little blue cases
[07:06] <ecinx> but they are relics
[07:08] <ecinx> netflix :) brb it says i have rc1 still
[07:09] <ecinx> there we go
[07:09] <ecinx> bugs
[07:10] <James147> bugs?
[07:10] <ecinx> yes
[07:10] <ecinx> how do i screen shot the whole screen?
[07:10] <James147> ecinx: "print screen" button... or launch ksnapshot manually
[07:11] <ecinx> chucks no send to pastebin option
[07:15] <ecinx> http://imagebin.org/131586
[07:16] <James147> the panel?
[07:16] <James147> umm.. try clocing and reopening plasma-desktop "kquitapp plasma-desktop && sleep 2 && plasma-desktop
[07:17] <James147> if that dosent fix it you can try a new user or reset plasma to its default settings (by renaming/moving/deleting ~/.kde/share/config/plasma*)
[07:18] <ecinx> i had similar problems b4
[07:18] <ecinx> but not to this extent
[07:18] <ecinx> and it got fixed with a hover befor
[07:18] <ecinx> e
[07:19] <ecinx> looks nice now
[07:19] <ecinx> thank you
[07:19] <James147> ecinx: ^^ which suggestion worked?
[07:19] <ecinx> valid. This  cache is likely corrupt.
[07:19] <ecinx> plasma-desktop(21236)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This  cache is likely corrupt.
[07:19] <ecinx> plasma-desktop(21236)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This  cache is likely corrupt.
[07:19] <ecinx> is that bad?
[07:19] <ecinx> the command you gave me kquite
[07:20] <James147> ecinx: dosent sound good... thats for sure
[07:20] <ecinx> It's not done yet thoug
[07:20] <James147> you can try removing the caches in
[07:20] <James147> ~/.kde/...
[07:20] <ecinx> the terminal that is
[07:20] <James147> or clearing out /tmp
[07:22] <ecinx> i have to wait till this is done
[07:22] <ecinx> let me see if this new kde fixed kile
[07:22] <James147> ecinx: plasma-desktop wont return till its closed... ctrl+c to kill it
[07:22] <ecinx> it is up htough
[07:22] <James147> (best to run plasma-desktop from krunner if you dont care about its output)
[07:22] <ecinx> just the terminal window isn't done
[07:23] <James147> ecinx: plasma-desktop dosent background its self, the terminal will return to a prompt once plasma-desktop has ended
[07:24] <ecinx> ok
[07:24] <ecinx> it keeps doing stuff
[07:25] <ecinx> after i ctrl -c
[07:25] <James147> ecinx: press enter a few times
[07:25] <James147> ^^ or you can just open another terminal :)
[07:25] <ecinx> ok, it shut up now
[07:27] <ecinx> I don't see vim qt :(
[07:30] <James147> ecinx: there isent one
[07:30] <ecinx> that sucks
[07:31] <ecinx> so which do i get? vim or vim gtk
[07:31] <James147> ecinx: i tend to install the vim-gtk package (although i wish it dident come with the gtk part :( ) to get access to the vim compiled with system clipboard and client server support :)
[07:32] <James147> ecinx: (vim-gtk will install both gvim and vim... but the vim in vim-gtk has more compiled in optioned then the one in vim... well... not that many more, but the xterm-clipboard is a very importnat one to me :D )
[07:32] <ecinx> okay:)
[07:33] <James147> other then that you can install either, it shouldnt make much difference, espically if your just starting
[07:33] <ecinx> i don't care about  all that going up donw left right stuff
[07:34] <ecinx> i know it has it's uses for some people
[07:34] <ecinx> but at least for now, i don't really need it that's why the emacs tutorial put me to sleep
[07:35] <James147> ecinx: you can skim over the easer parts if you want
[07:36] <James147> but vim does take a while to learn... and a little dedications :) but pays off in the end
[07:36] <ecinx> what's cream?
[07:36] <James147> cream?
[07:36] <ecinx> cream for vim
[07:36] <James147> no clue
[07:37] <valorie> just use kate
[07:37] <ecinx> I'm on
[07:37] <valorie> much simpler
[07:37] <valorie> :-)
[07:38] <James147> valorie: but vim is sooo much more powerful :D
[07:38] <ecinx> for TeXing
[07:38] <valorie> pays off in the end if you want to be known as a GEEK
[07:38] <valorie> lol
[07:38] <valorie> :-)
[07:38] <James147> valorie: whats wrong with that :D
[07:38] <valorie> nothing, I wear the geek shirts
[07:38] <ecinx> i want to be known as he's wearing armani
[07:39] <valorie> but am a bit too dim to use vim, OR emacs
[07:39] <James147> valorie: bah, its not that hard once you get use to it :)
[07:39] <ecinx> you code in kate valorie?
[07:39] <valorie> ummm..... html?
[07:40] <valorie> yes, that's code
[07:40] <valorie> lol
[07:40] <ecinx> that's close
[07:40] <valorie> I'm not a coder, for sure
[07:40] <ecinx> teX is markup too
[07:40] <valorie> yup
[07:40] <valorie> I don't know that stuff
[07:40] <ecinx> okay here's what i want
[07:40] <ecinx> i type brace and {}
[07:40] <valorie> but I'm about to learn docbook, I guess
[07:40] <ecinx> magically appear
[07:41] <valorie> {} is pretty easy to type
[07:41] <valorie> 2 chars instead of 5?
[07:41] <ecinx> If you are good in TeX im pretty sure you can do HTML in it
[07:41] <ecinx> 5 is faster than 2 for me
[07:41] <valorie> ok
[07:42] <ecinx> a better example is
[07:42] <valorie> the only time I type fast is in IRC
[07:42] <valorie> or my blog, or something
[07:42] <ecinx> frac
[07:42] <ecinx> and \frac{}{} comes out
[07:42] <valorie> lol
[07:42] <valorie> you know how to use that
[07:42] <valorie> I don'
[07:42] <valorie> t
[07:42] <James147> ecinx: to do that in vim type in normal mode      :imap brace {}      then hit enter :)
[07:43] <James147> then when you type brace, it will be replaced with {}
[07:44] <ecinx> or integrali -- > \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{placecursor here}dt
[07:45] <ecinx> valorie:  you seeit's value?
[07:45] <ecinx> it took me forever to type that
[07:45] <valorie> well, it makes me glad not to be a coder
[07:45] <valorie> it's like learning magic
[07:45] <ecinx> lol
[07:45] <ecinx> it's not coding
[07:45] <valorie> a lot of energy goes into it
[07:46] <ecinx> TeX  is a replacement for MS word
[07:46] <valorie> I know what TeX is but didn't know it looked like THAT
[07:46] <valorie> lordy
[07:46] <valorie> I'm not learning that
[07:46] <ecinx> lol
[07:46] <ecinx> that's just math stuff
[07:46] <valorie> wordstar was bad enough
[07:46] <ecinx> w/o the mathstuff it's pretty nice
[07:47] <valorie> and I had a lot more brainpower back then
[07:47] <ecinx> the way it sets everything up for you
[07:47] <ecinx> you don't worry about margins and all that crap
[07:47] <valorie> I can see the value
[07:47] <valorie> I just don't wanna do it
[07:47] <ecinx> it's especially good for books
[07:48] <ecinx> \chapter{The Sea}
[07:48] <valorie> I would pay someone to do the markup
[07:48] <ecinx> blah blah ..
[07:48] <ecinx> \chapter{The Sky}
[07:48] <valorie> but I'm afraid docbook is much the same, and I'm bound to learn that, so.....
[07:48] <ecinx> when you compile it will be in bold Chapter 1, and under it The Sea
[07:48] <valorie> right
[07:49] <ecinx> I need tex shortcuts to type math faster
[07:49] <James147> ecinx: btw... in vim you can do the "integrali" thing   by  tpying in normal mode   :imap integrali \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{}dt<esc>2hi          then it will do what you want :)
[07:49] <ecinx> to the point that i don't need to write down anything in class and can just type the math
[07:50] <ecinx> how do you go to normal mode?
[07:51] <James147> ecinx: <esc>  (escape)  will put you in normal mode
[07:51] <James147> (note the : at the start is important)
[07:52] <ecinx> ah i see
[07:53] <ecinx> what do o do to be inside a brace?
[07:53] <James147> ecinx: imap lets you create maps for insert mode ^^ in this case the key sequence "integrali" will be maped to the other part ^^ the <esc>2hi  at the end moves the courser back to between the bracers and enters insert mode again
[07:53] <ecinx> i like how easy i caon do the imaps
[07:53] <James147> ecinx: ^^ that above command will do that
[07:55] <ecinx> I don't need the dt part
[07:55] <ecinx> i can just type that
[07:55] <James147> ecinx: :) then remove the dt and probally the 2h as well
[07:56] <ecinx> :imap integrali \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}{}<esc>i
[07:56] <ecinx> like that?
[07:56] <James147> ecinx: yeah
[07:57] <ecinx> that feels so weird
[07:57] <ecinx> it doesn't type the word out
[07:58] <James147> ecinx: no.. thats the one problem... it will however place the word in if you cont complete it
[07:58] <James147> ecinx: a better way would be to prefix it with a \ or ,
[07:58] <ecinx> comma owns
[07:58] <ecinx> i've never seen ,a word start like this
[07:58] <James147> ecinx: yeah, thats why its good for imaps
[07:59] <James147> ecinx: you might want to join #vim as well :) might be a better place for vim support then here :)
[07:59] <James147> ecinx: but you can see why its worth learning?
[08:00] <ecinx> yeah
[08:00] <valorie> I'm not even throwing peanuts from the sidelines!
[08:00] <valorie> lol
[08:00] <ecinx> lol
[08:00] <ecinx> you should see texclipse
[08:00] <ecinx> it's pretty nice
[08:00] <ecinx> i just don't know how to edit their plugin, otherwise i would make it bettery suited for math
[08:01] <James147> :)
[08:01] <ecinx> lyx is kind of like the math standard, probably that's why all other tex editors are general latex not math
[08:02]  * James147 notes that if you add those commands to ~/.vimrc (without the : at the start) then they are setup when you launch vim
[08:04] <ecinx> how do you open it?
[08:04] <James147> ecinx: ~/.vimrc? with a text editor (like vim :D ) (ie vim ~/.vimrc)
[08:05] <James147> (create it if there isent one)
[08:07] <ecinx> :syn on
[08:07] <ecinx> like that?
[08:09] <James147> ecinx: http://pastebin.com/3nFCtWVG << my vimrc, you might find it useful
[08:10] <ecinx> you use latexsuite?
[08:10] <ecinx> i heard that was bad
[08:11] <ecinx> broken
[08:11] <James147> ecinx: not anymore... but the stuff listed for it in there is still useful
[08:12] <James147> (or dosent hurt)
[08:12] <James147> really you only need filetype plugin and indend from that block though
[08:12] <ecinx> how do i open this file in vim
[08:12] <ecinx> i opened it in term
[08:13] <James147> :e FILENAME    or :tabnew FILENAME     or to start a vim session just vim FILENAME
[08:13] <ecinx> brb im going ot print out the shortcut cheet sheat
[08:27] <onome> autocad
[08:29] <ecinx> autocad?
[08:32] <valorie> !autocad
[08:32] <valorie> ubottu didn't know anything about it, and reprimanded me for laughing at it
[08:32] <valorie> silly bot
[08:33] <valorie> indeed
[08:33] <ecinx> trix r 4 kidz
[08:33] <ecinx> valorie: Since you said you are not a coder
[08:33] <ecinx> I heard python is really good and easy
[08:34] <ecinx> I don't know python, but ill learn it when i find the time
[08:37] <valorie> the world has enough bad coders
[08:37] <valorie> and can always use more good writers
[08:38] <valorie> I don't need to be cool
[08:38] <valorie> :-)
[08:39] <ecinx> I'm not a coder
[08:39] <ecinx> I'm a student
[08:39] <ecinx> computer engineering
[08:39] <ecinx> so my coding is going to be limited
[08:39] <ecinx> and im probably going to learn low level coding
[08:40] <valorie> ok, I'm not a developer either
[08:40] <valorie> sec
[08:41] <ecinx> i'm even further than that
[08:41] <ecinx> we into circuitry and stuff
[08:55] <valorie> very cool
[08:55] <valorie> I think everyone should head in the direction(s) that interests them
[08:56] <valorie> I have, and it's changed over the years, which is fine
[09:06] <Peace-> Hi world
[09:08] <valorie> the world needs more peace
[09:08] <valorie> for sure
[09:10] <Peace-> valorie: lol
[09:14] <ecinx> dead
[09:14]  * ecinx goes to sleep
[09:14] <ecinx> gn
[10:51] <xerxes_> hi
[12:16] <nikolai> hi can someone help me with following problem? i just tried to configure a second monitor (hp 72) with kubuntu 10.10. The problem is the screen stays blank and the monitor turns to standby. I can't configure this screen because kubunut only shows me the defaul screen (my laptops screen). what can i do?
[12:33] <gr8m8> !xrandr
[12:33] <nikolai> thank you
[12:36] <nikolai> i have an nvidia 9600m GT graphics card
[12:37] <nikolai> isn't it possible to configure screens the old way? i mean with the tool in prefernces?
[12:41] <BajK> is it possible that by default kubuntu's root thingie has english locale only? I have a password with an "ü" in it and some dialogs accept and the console as well but kdesudo does not
[12:46] <yofel> nikolai: for nvidia cards nvidia-settings should work if you have the nvidia driver installed
[12:57] <nikolai> yofel: thank you very much i kind of forgot about that tool
[13:27] <BajK> any ideas to speed up kubuntu a bit :D
[13:27] <sveri> hi there, i am looking for an app starter in kde, maybe something to integrate into a panel, just like gnome has?
[13:27] <BajK> Intel Celeron M 1,46 GHz - Mobile Intel 940 GML Express - 40 GB HDD - 512 MB Ram
[13:28] <BajK> sveri: app starter? a menu or just icons in your panel?
[13:28] <sveri> BajK: icons in my panel would be enough
[13:28] <BajK> make sure your widgets are unlocked, and then simply drag an icon off your kickoffmenu to your panel
[13:28] <BajK> it will become an icon
[13:29] <sveri> uhm, ok, i think i was a bit unclear, what i want is to create an app starter for apps that dont have an "icon"
[13:29] <BajK> ah okay, mom
[13:29] <sveri> just like sype dragging /home/user/skype/skype to a panel, and then click on it, to start skype
[13:30] <BajK> I think this works in 4.6 but dunno. You can add a Quick launch widget (which comes with preset icons for dolphin, kmail and browser) and there you can freely add appliation
[13:30] <BajK> you may also place files there
[13:30] <BajK> (nice, didnt know that)
[13:31] <BajK> to choose an icon then right click on the symbol and choose Edit launcher and there you can edit properties such as icon etc
[13:31] <sveri> BajK: ah, cool, thats exactly what i was looking for, just didnt know the name, thank you very much
[13:31] <BajK> no problem, you're welcome ;)
[13:33] <sveri> god, how i love linux
[13:33] <BajK> :P just got a notebook from a friend of mine. windows xp pre-installed and stuff. he told me "well you can erase anything". he didnt say he wants windows back (since I dont own it anymore^^)
[13:33] <BajK> now it runs kubuntu
[13:34] <sveri> hehe, nice
[13:34] <BajK> even my grandma uses it and the last thing that she was typing on was like pre-WW2 typing machine
[13:34] <BajK> and she's 86^^
[13:35] <sveri> cool, i too converted my whole family to use linux, my mother always says how great it is to have a computer which doesnt crash
[13:35] <BajK> my mum loves that application managment. she needed a money managing system. I told her "just go to systemsettings, software and stype "Kmymoney"", she was amazed how quickly it went. and then she could just launch it
[13:36] <sveri> yea, its indeed great
[13:37] <BajK> but well I need several hours to set up kubuntu once.  I see no reason to stand the fuzz with virus scanners, updates and sort of things
[13:37] <sveri> yea, indeed, the same goes for my mom and sister
[13:38] <BajK> I just upgraded my sister's notebook. also acer. and acer seems to be pre-destinated for overloaded stupid default installations.
[13:39] <BajK> so it depends on who gets the kubuntu. on my machine I have the panel at the top and the title bar buttons (close, maximize, ...) on the left. if I install it for a "normal" user, I leave the taskbar at the bottom and choose "plastique" design since it sort of mimics windows xp
[13:40] <BajK> sveri: we might consider continuing our discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic before one of the moderators gets annoyed :P
[13:40] <sveri> :D
[13:40] <sveri> well, ok
[13:45] <test1_> hello all
[13:45] <test1_> i am misunderstood with kmix, unfortunately
[13:46] <test1_> can anyone explain me the meaning of its tab's contents ?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:30] <test1_> hello all
[14:30] <test1_> i am misunderstood with kmix, unfortunately
[14:30] <test1_> can anyone explain me the meaning of its tab's contents ?
[14:32] <rork> test1_: which kubuntu version are you using and which tabs exactly?
[14:34] <ricky_1966> hi, there is a software under kubuntu 10.10 for printing labels like glabels ? I've installed glabels but it make an errore under GTK
[14:35] <test1_> rork, kubuntu 10.10 amd64 and the tabs: "Playback Devices" and "Capture devices"
[14:37] <loro> oj
[14:41] <rork> test1_: Under playback devices you'll find controls for sound output (e.g. Amarok, games, cd's) Under Capture devices you'll find controls for sound input, e.g. a microphone or midi device. If you have questions about a certain control can you give it's name, or if you want info about all controls it might be useful to post a screenshot. (see !screenshot)
[14:43] <test1_> In the "Play back devices" tab i have only 1 control, is this correct ?
[14:44] <rork> test1_: give me a minute, I'll reboot into 10.10 and check how it looks on my system
[14:47] <rork> test1_: I only have one channel in "Capture Devices" too
[14:49] <test1_> rork, in the kde 3.5.xx there was many control in each tab, but in the kde 4.x.x its kmix only has 1 control on my computer. why? !!!
[14:50] <test1_> my main problem on the new kubuntu 10.10 is :
[14:51] <test1_> when i play TV with xawtv its audio is not heared, but on the same computer and same configuration, with only difference in OS i have no problem
[14:52] <e01> i was installed kde4.6rc2 just now from the ppa, and the FPS is stacked to 58, in kde4.5 i get 100
[14:53] <e01> in forums i read that kwin in 4.6 is better than in 4.5 but seems that this isn`t true, or is just in my case?
[14:53] <e01> nvidia 8600gt
[14:53] <e01> any idea?
[14:53] <test1_> i were using the Kubuntu 7.1 amd64 on the same computer and no an things was changed excey that i installed the kubuntu 10.10 (amd64) on another partition of its hard-drive and
[14:54] <test1_> when i play a film or a sound file its sound is heared but when i play the TV the same way as in kubuntu 7.10 its sound is not heared :-(
[14:58] <rork> test1_: does xawtv have it's own volume control or could it be a problem with the backend used?
[15:03] <test1_> rork, no xawtv has no volume control, its sound's way is simple: a wire is connected from my Tv card's output to the "Line" input of motherboard and all this were working.
[15:03] <test1_> rork, but with the only new change is the change of Kubuntu 7.10 with Kubuntu 10.10
[15:04] <test1_> rork, i even tested my TV-card's audio output wire when working wirh Kubuntu 10.10 and it has sound, but
[15:05] <test1_> when i connect its output in the "Line" input of motherboard ( its correct place) no sound is heared :-(
[15:09] <rork> test1_: you can try to add more channels in Settings > Configure Channels, but on my computer this was empty (which was quite a surprise to me). You can also try the commandline utility `alsamixer` to control sound.
[15:45] <globaldirect> hej hej
[15:45] <globaldirect> hi
[15:46] <globaldirect> haben wir jemand  aus Polen?
[15:46] <globaldirect> How is from Polen?
[15:47] <globaldirect> Kdo je s Polsky?
[15:47] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone . is kde 4.6 rc2 stable and is it safe to upgrade ?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it's a release candidate (rc) and beta , hence it's still in development and unstable
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no , what i want to know is did it broke anyone's kde?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> I'm running it on natty and some apps crash like dragonplayer
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: kpackagekit fixed?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> dunno phoenix_firebrd , sorry ..I never use kpackagekit ...I prefer muon , but mostly i just them to see what's available and use the cli to install
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: good, i will give it a try
[16:28] <IdleOne> Hey folks I was looking around in ~/.config and noticed a file named Trolltech.conf, what is it?
[16:28] <IdleOne> mentions Qt and kde4 a lot
[16:28] <IdleOne> I am running gnome btw
[16:36] <BluesKaj> IdleOne, kde is built on Qt4 , I beleive
[16:38] <mr-rich> IdleOne: Those are for KDE ... if you run any KDE apps
[16:39] <IdleOne> the file name is a little umm, stupid but thanks for answering :)
[16:40] <mr-rich> IdleOne: if you're running Gnome, you should be in #ubuntu ... this channel is for kubuntu - Ubuntu running KDE, not Gnome ... :)
[16:43]  * BluesKaj wonders how to get google apps to intergrate properly with kde , chromium and GE certainly don't link to application settings in system settings , like fonts and colours etc
[16:43] <BluesKaj> err integrate
[16:44] <BluesKaj> done lots of searching , but none of the suggestions thst supposedly work for others seem to work here
[16:44] <BluesKaj> don't seem to work here , rather
[16:45] <IdleOne> mr-rich: are you telling me to leave ? :P
[16:46] <IdleOne> mr-rich: I asked here because I saw all the qt and kde mentions in the file but the name of the file is what worried me
[16:46] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, this is a kde chat btw , it's kubuntu , not #ubuntu
[16:46] <mr-rich> No ... Of course not ... I was just letting you know in case you ended up in the worng place by accedent ...
[16:47] <Peace-> BluesKaj: mmm systemsettings gtk stuff?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> err IdleOne  , same goes
[16:47] <IdleOne> mr-rich: no worries.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> Peace-, nope, that works for FF , not google stuff
[16:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj:but on chrome stuff ? have you set default style or gtk styke?
[16:48] <Peace-> mm
[16:48] <Peace-> style
[16:49] <BluesKaj> google seems rather arrogant , their stuff is untouchable in linux , barely configurable at all, the bin install seems like an after thought to me
[16:49] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopcn1570
[16:49]  * Peace- uses ppa for chromium
[16:52] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I don't mean the actaual webpage fonts etc , I mean the toolbar etc fonts ...unreadable on a large monitor
[16:53] <Peace-> BluesKaj: you mean settings ?? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopqf1570
[16:56] <BluesKaj> Peace-, no , those don't work on the toolbar and bookmark fonts
[16:56] <Peace-> mm
[16:57] <Peace-> :??
[16:58] <BluesKaj> Peace-, you need a large monitor like my 42" TV to see what I' mean
[16:58] <Peace-> LOL
[16:58] <Peace-> 42 '' wth
[16:58] <BluesKaj> that's what I'm using
[17:00] <BluesKaj> I sit in m y easy chair with a wireless KB and mouse abou 2.5M away from the tv..it's actually our media server pc , so i like to surf and chat on it a lot , due to my lazy nature :)
[17:00] <michi_> z
[17:03] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD lazy
[17:08] <murali> How to install google chrome in kubuntu. Please help
[17:11] <Anf3t4m1n> my sound card doesn't work... plz help me! the driver are installed, but the s/pdif exit desn't work :(
[17:12] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: well
[17:12] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: version of kubuntu ?
[17:12] <rork> murali: you can download a .deb here: http://www.google.com/chrome/index.html and install it with `sudo dpkg -i name.deb` or install the open source version from the repositories: `sudo apt-get install chromium-browser`
[17:12] <Anf3t4m1n> peace 10.10
[17:12] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: do you need of pulse?
[17:13] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: on 10.04 was working fine  your card?
[17:13] <Anf3t4m1n> i am new in linux
[17:13] <Anf3t4m1n> :-\
[17:14] <Anf3t4m1n> i have installed yesterday my 1st version of kubuntu
[17:14] <Peace-> oh wow
[17:14] <Anf3t4m1n> asd
[17:14] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: type ALT F2
[17:14] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: on the top of your screen type konsole
[17:14] <Peace-> run it
[17:14] <Peace-> then
[17:14] <Peace-> run this on konsole
[17:14] <Peace-> alsamixer -V all
[17:15] <Anf3t4m1n> ok
[17:15] <Anf3t4m1n> i am in
[17:15] <Peace-> set every volume controller to max
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Anf3t4m1n, open alsamixer in the terminal, unmute with the M key,  any relavent controls need to be turned up with arrowkeys which are also used to navigate
[17:16] <Anf3t4m1n> the s/pdif doesn'have a volume controller :|
[17:16] <edgy> Hi, how can I stop ssh from autostarting everytime from upstart? I tried update-rc.d -f ssh remove but nothing changed
[17:16] <Anf3t4m1n> i have just tryed this
[17:16] <BluesKaj> Peace-, not the inputs ...they may overload the soundcard
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Anf3t4m1n, no the pcm is controlled by the master
[17:17] <Peace-> BluesKaj: guess it's better remove pulse tome...
[17:17] <BluesKaj> edgy, why not autostart?
[17:18] <Anf3t4m1n> all active, but doesn't work
[17:18] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: ok press quit or esc
[17:18] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: and type this
[17:18] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: speaker-test -c2 -D hw:0,0 -t wav -l1
[17:18] <Anf3t4m1n> alsamixer haven't the volume control for s/pdif exit :-\
[17:18] <Peace-> on the konsole
[17:18] <Anf3t4m1n> ok
[17:19] <BluesKaj> oops sorry Anf3t4m1n I meant spdif is controlled by the master pcm has it's own control
[17:19] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n:or this one              speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav -l1
[17:20] <|__CLAUDIO__|> Hi everybody. I was wondering if someone could help me in setting up Filezilla  so that I can transfer files and folders to my var/www directory.
[17:20] <Anf3t4m1n> none :(
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Anf3t4m1n, spdif /pcm are supposed to be linked if you're using the spdif output to a dac
[17:20] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: if BluesKaj can't help you i guess you should just read this  http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/audio-problem-with-kubuntu-10-10/
[17:21] <Anf3t4m1n> yes but pcm volume is 100%
[17:21] <Anf3t4m1n> oky, thank you very much
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Anf3t4m1n, m ake sure the spdif has '00' in the box
[17:21] <Anf3t4m1n> yes
[17:21] <Anf3t4m1n> green 00
[17:21] <Peace-> Anf3t4m1n: and this http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/kubuntu-audio-card-that-doesnt-work/
[17:21] <BluesKaj> how many spdifs ?
[17:22] <Peace-> that is what i know about aduio card
[17:22] <Anf3t4m1n> in alsamixer are 8 spdif :|
[17:23] <Anf3t4m1n> but i have just 2 exit
[17:23] <Anf3t4m1n> digital-optical, and digital
[17:25] <chiiiiiz> Hi!!!
[17:25] <edgy> BluesKaj:  because I don't want people to bruteforce attack me
[17:25] <chiiiiiz> Kpackagekit always freezes when I try to use it.
[17:26] <chiiiiiz> I purged it, and reinstalled, but no change...
[17:26] <BluesKaj> edgy, areyou behind a router?
[17:26] <chiiiiiz> It says: Exécutable : kpackagekit PID : 2512 Signal : Segmentation fault (11)
[17:26] <edgy> BluesKaj: no
[17:26] <chiiiiiz> any idea?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:28] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, kpackagekit is abit clunky , try muon instead
[17:29] <chiiiiiz> dpkg --configure did not give anything
[17:29] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, it won't if it works
[17:29] <chiiiiiz> thanks, I did not know about muon...
[17:31] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, you can use the package manager to find the apps , but whynot just sudo apt-get install nameofapplication in the terminal..it's clean and effective
[17:32] <chiiiiiz> I mainly used the package manager to update with the graphical end...
[17:33] <BluesKaj> well , if you insist , but the cli updates guis as well :)
[17:33] <chiiiiiz> BluesKaj: where shall I tell the machine to use muon instead of Kapckagekit as package manager
[17:35] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, just put he muon app in your panel and use that
[17:36] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, kmenu/applications/settings , right click on muon , add to panel
[17:37] <BluesKaj> chiiiiiz, correction : kmenu/applications/system , right click on muon , add to panel
[17:41] <edgy> BluesKaj: any help?
[17:48] <BluesKaj> edgy, checkout guardog or iptables
[17:48] <BluesKaj> wireshark is bit overkill , but it might help
[17:56] <StetsyukIA> Доброго времени
[17:57] <IcarianHeights> ru | StetsyukIA
[17:58] <IcarianHeights> !ru | StetsyukIA
[18:02] <BluesKaj> edgy, maybe this is better : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSH#Managing_SSHD_Daemon
[18:21] <StetsyukIA> есть проблема в убунте КДЕшніе плеері не воспроизводят видео, показівает пустую рамку
[18:21] <StetsyukIA> подскажите че над доставить
[18:21] <James147> !ru | StetsyukIA
[18:31] <syl> russia
[18:32] <Guest83961> people, who can to tell me where i can download "kde-devel" for kde 4.5.5?
[18:33] <Guest83961> helloooo!
[18:34] <yofel> Guest83961: that was a package provided by debian, I don't think we have that anymore
[18:34] <rork> Guest83961: that was a metapackage IIRC, let me see if I can get you the details
[18:35] <yofel> was dropped after lucid
[18:36] <yofel> Guest83961: here's the dependencies so you an install them yourself
[18:36] <yofel> Depends: kde-minimal (>= 5:55ubuntu1), kdesdk (>= 4:4.2.2), kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.2.2), libqt4-designer, kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.2.2)
[18:36] <yofel> but you would usually use apt-get build-dep on the package that you want to develop for
[18:41] <Guest83961> i have this error: CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake
[18:45] <Guest83961> what is this?
[18:46] <Peace-> Guest83961: compiling is not a safe way...
[18:46] <Peace-> Guest83961: anyway... for the erorr..
[18:46] <Peace-> you should install apt-file
[18:47] <Peace-> that stuff give you what you are missing to compile if you feed it with the error of course
[19:09] <rtdos> what other window managers are there ?
[19:13] <webc4532> hello, upgrading oxygen-icon-theme and oxygen-icon-theme-complete is a real pita: gtk-update-icon-cache eats at least 170mb ram which made my system swap like hell
[19:15] <rtdos> what is fluxbox/kde?
[19:15] <James147> rtdos: metacity (horiffic, default with gnome) compiz (alright, can be abit anoying to make it play nicly with kde, default on ubuntu asfaik)
[19:16] <James147> rtdos: fluxbox is another one ^^ asfar as I know its designed as a light weight one
[19:17] <James147> good for older hardware (though if your running kde then you probally dont have that old hardware so probally dont need to worry)
[19:18] <James147> ^^ kwin is the default with kde and kubuntu, and is best intergrated with kde its the one i recomend keeping if your not having any problems with it
[19:22] <rtdos> james, is enlightenment a desktop or window manager?
[19:22] <rtdos> and have you tried it?
[19:22] <Peace-> i have tried xD
[19:23] <Peace-> destkop enviroments
[19:23] <Peace-> like kde but with a lost of stuff less
[19:23] <Peace-> xD
[19:29] <Daskreech> rtdos: it's both
[19:30] <rtdos> daskreech, what's the difference?
[19:30] <Daskreech> in terms of a full Desktop environment it's missing a lot of things. Any of the WM projects will tell you that E implements a lot of things that it doesn't need to so more than pure WM but not all the thigns that we need for a desktop
[19:34] <rtdos> thanks daskreech
[19:35] <Daskreech> rtdos: it's not really trying to be anything but enlightenment though if you like it then Wheeeee
[19:40] <rtdos> i just heard about it recently, daskreech, and thought i'd give it a try. i guess the headies and gnome are up in arms over it since it will replace gnome as the default in 11.04 of Ubuntu.
[19:40] <Daskreech> rtdos: Ha ha yeah that would cause some fires
[19:40] <James147> rtdos: it will?
[19:41] <Daskreech> James147: I think rtdos is being sarcastic
[19:41] <James147> :p
[19:41] <rtdos> well, that's what i read on wired.com anyways, james. :)
[19:42] <socomm> Hello just installed kubuntu and am trying to get wireless working.
[19:42] <socomm> the driver is present but for some reason it will not connect.
[19:42] <socomm> i've tried to dhclient on wlan0 and it say network is down
[19:42] <Daskreech> !wireless
[19:42]  * Daskreech is no good at helping with wireless
[19:42] <falktx> howdy!
[19:43] <James147> socomm: network manager not working? (wondering why your trying dhclient directly)?
[19:43] <James147> Hello falktx
[19:43] <smoothtaste> socomm: What kind of machine?
[19:44] <socomm> smoothtaste: acer aspire revo
[19:45] <socomm> James147: i've configured the connection on net man but it doesn't connect, dropped to cli for inspection
[19:45] <socomm> ifconfig wlan0 up returns as "resource device busy"
[19:45]  * James147 notes that if you not useing network-manager... then you should stop that service, it messes with manual configureation
[19:47] <socomm> yeah net-man is stopped
[19:47] <socomm> iwconfig shows the card
[19:47] <socomm> can't ifconfig wlan0 up
[19:47] <James147> socomm: wpa pr wep?
[19:47] <socomm> there are no physical off switches on the machine, im pretty sure
[19:47] <socomm> wep - hidden
[19:48] <socomm> James147: but wlist scan wont even work
[19:48] <socomm> im guessing its because the device is down or not available
[19:48] <socomm> can't figure out how to bring it online
[19:48] <James147> socomm: can you pastebin teh steps you have teken to try to connect? (replacing any secret stuff  with a placeholder ;) )
[19:49] <socomm> http://www.susegeek.com/wireless/iwconfig-wireless-interface-configuration-utility-in-linux/
[19:49] <socomm> pretty much that, but it has to do with the interface being down, its not the connection .....
[19:49] <socomm> does anyone know how to force it to come up
[19:50] <James147> socomm: ^^ probally because you havent "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up"
[19:50] <James147> that will bring the interface up
[19:50] <socomm> James147: i've sudo -s (root shell)
[19:51]  * James147 would say you shouldn do that... but he is in a sudo -i on his server ;)
[19:51] <socomm> device or resource busy
[19:52] <socomm> if i can find where the wlan0 file is i can fuser
[19:52] <James147> socomm: hmm, what does "ifconfig" tell you?
[19:52] <socomm> ifconfig -a shows eth0 lo and wlan0
[19:53] <James147> socomm: and iwconfig?
[19:53] <socomm> wlan0 shows as managed et cetera - wlan0 is detected
[19:53] <socomm> in short
[19:55] <socomm> wait a minute
[19:55] <socomm> lshw -c network shows wireless interface as disabled
[19:55] <socomm> how can I enable it
[19:55] <James147> socomm: I think that might be a hardware stwich...
[19:56] <James147> but i am not sure (never had to deal with it that low)
[19:57] <socomm> James147: i've searched all over the machine i can't find a hw switch
[19:57] <socomm> fffffffffffffffffff lol
[19:58] <James147> socomm: could be a button on the keyboard (normally one of the fn keys)  and if i remember correctly, a friend had problems with windows in that he had to boot to that to enable it there first :S
[19:58] <socomm> James147: lol trust me i've searched all over the kyb for that xD
[19:59]  * James147 notes that his button to turn of the wireless doesnt work at all... and is kind of glad at that :)
[20:00] <James147> socomm: are you dual booting?
[20:00] <socomm> James147: nope
[20:00] <James147> socomm: what chipset is it?
[20:01] <socomm> RT3090 it looks like
[20:02] <James147> heh, looks like google is having problems with that one aslwell :S
[20:02] <Snowhog> socomm: Which modle of the revo do you have?
[20:03] <socomm> Snowhog: 3700
[20:03] <James147> socomm: ahh yes, whats in /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state?
[20:03] <Snowhog> socomm: What letter before 3700??
[20:04] <socomm> Snowhog: r3700 sorry
[20:05] <socomm> James147: true for networkingenabled wirelessenabled wwanenabled
[20:08] <James147> socomm: this looks intresting: http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1490123
[20:08] <Snowhog> socomm: Look through http://www.lonewolfdesigns.co.uk/installing-ubuntu-acer-revo/ for some insight.
[20:42] <socomm> i give up
[20:42] <socomm> there are no drivers for maverick
[20:42] <socomm> well no pre-packaged ubuntu drivers
[20:42] <socomm> thx for help guys
[20:42] <socomm> quit
[20:44] <James147> d
[20:46] <shane4ubuntu> Ok, the kde informational announcments that pop up by the clock, They are getting in the way, how can I change/edit/configure how they act re-act,  When I mouse over them I want them to disappear, or become transparent so I can see through them. ??  Any ideas?
[20:49] <yofel> *that* is notify-osd behaviour, not knotify, you can move the systray, they should pop up under it
[20:50] <shane4ubuntu> right they always pop up under it, but I like it in the corner, just with the app I'm working with, (bookkeeping) the balance shows in the bottom corner just above the clock, also what I'm entering, so it keeps getting covered with every new song title popping up.
[20:52] <shane4ubuntu> actually for the time being I shrank the app, so that the notifications are under it, that helped, but seems like mousing over it should make it transparent, that was a nicety in Gnome. ;)
[20:55] <yofel> using the air plasma theme they should be transparent by default
[20:55] <yofel> the blur effect will blur the background behind them though
[20:55] <yofel> you can turn that off though
[20:56] <shane4ubuntu> air plasma, ok, let me check out that theme
[20:56] <yofel> this is kde 4.6 here though, so I'm not sure what happens in other versions
[20:57] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: where do I find that?
[20:57] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: right, but perhaps I have it, or the theme can be installed, where do I find the themes again?
[20:57] <yofel> shane4ubuntu: system settings -> workspace appearance
[20:58] <yofel> air should be the default theme though..
[20:58]  * James147 notes that you need desktop effects and te transparency effect enabled for transparency to work at all
[20:58] <shane4ubuntu> hmm, I was setup with Oxygen
[20:59] <shane4ubuntu> James147: good point, I do think I have that enabled, I know I have desktop effects on
[20:59] <shane4ubuntu> ok, air them, they are semi-transparent
[21:00] <James147> oxygen was the default in older version, and if you upgraded then it wont change (unless you change it)
[21:00] <shane4ubuntu> James147: yeah, I think I messed with the themes before, and actually set it to oxygen
[21:02] <shane4ubuntu> Thanks guys, I'm really enjoying kde
[21:10] <Nick_Meister> hi guys how do i disable certain shortcuts while im in a certain applications
[21:11] <James147> Nick_Meister: global or application level shortcuts?
[21:12] <Nick_Meister> James147, global
[21:12] <Nick_Meister> like alft+f3
[21:12] <Nick_Meister> the ones that overlap :S
[21:12] <socomm> anyone know how to enable hdmi output on kubuntu?
[21:13] <ArGGu^^> socomm it should work just fine
[21:13] <socomm> ArGGu^^: hmm
[21:13] <ArGGu^^> there should not be any need to enable it
[21:13] <yofel> video should work like any other external output
[21:13] <yofel> for sound I have a seperate audio output listed in phonon for HDMI
[21:14] <socomm> not interested in sound right now
[21:14] <ArGGu^^> socomm you do not get picture?
[21:14] <Nick_Meister> does nobody know the answer to this :X
[21:14] <James147> Nick_Meister: not sure you can, its probally bst to reassign the applicaion level shorcuts to something different
[21:14] <ArGGu^^> what version kubuntu you have
[21:15] <Nick_Meister> James147, thats messed up :S i dont see why you would not include such a feature
[21:16] <James147> Nick_Meister: ^^ why is it "messed up" and what elegent non complex solution would you do instead?
[21:17] <ArGGu^^> Nick_Meister special window setting and special application setting in workarounds there is block global shortcuts
[21:17] <ArGGu^^> you can set them when you right click window in title bar and go to advanced
[21:18] <James147> Nick_Meister: you can block global shorcuts entirly for an applicaion hoever... alt+f3 > configure window behaviour > window rules... and create a new rule to block global shorcuts
[21:18] <ArGGu^^> in the advanced is the special windows settings and application
[21:18] <Nick_Meister> thanks
[21:20] <bigbrovar> is anyone running kde 4.6 on 10.10
[21:20] <bigbrovar> plasma seems to be crashing every other day
[21:21] <bigbrovar> like every 5min to be exact
[21:21] <bigbrovar> Just wanted to know if this was a known issue
[21:21] <James147> bigbrovar: i suggest you test a new user and see if they suffer from the same problem
[21:22] <Nick_Meister> James147, i think i know of a more elegant solution, it may be better to display a list of current global shortcuts, and untoggle them from this same dialog...
[21:22] <bigbrovar> good idea
[21:22] <bigbrovar> James147: good idea
[21:22] <rtdos> james147, i've installed openbox, lxde, and a couple of other desktops but i noticed they do not make it easy to start my network connection. is there a script or something i can put somewhere in startup to connect me to my network no matter what desktop i use?
[21:23] <James147> rtdos: wired or wireless?
[21:25] <rtdos> wireless
[21:26] <rtdos> my connections name is wlan0
[21:26] <balint__> helo
[21:27] <Nick_Meister> that force disable did not work for me :S
[21:27] <James147> rtdos: i suggest you install nm-applet (network-manager-gnome is the package i think) and add that to the uato start programs the the enviroments
[21:27] <James147> Nick_Meister: you probally need to restart the window
[21:27] <rtdos> james, will it conflict with my kubuntu / kde settings?
[21:28] <James147> rtdos: depends on how you do it... if the other enviroments have their own startup scripts (like kde has ~/.kde/Autostart) then putting it in there shouldnt affect kde
[21:29] <rtdos> OK
[21:29] <rtdos> Thanks, James147
[21:30] <inkubo_> oi
[21:30] <inkubo_> i dont know nothing about it
[21:30] <Nick_Meister> James147, nope did not work i right clicked on the window title went advanced>special app settings>workarounds and selected to force the disabling of shortcuts
[21:30] <Nick_Meister> i restarted the app and nothing still
[21:31] <ArGGu^^> Nick_Meister special application settings->workarounds there  block global shortcuts, force , check checkbox. Works for me
[21:33] <socomm> yofel: can you tell me more about hdmi audio output?
[21:34] <ArGGu^^> socomm what version of kubuntu you are using?
[21:34] <ArGGu^^> 10.10?
[21:34] <socomm> 10.10
[21:35] <ArGGu^^> if you have not deleted the pulseaudio, then just set pulseaudio to use hdmi and it should work
[21:35] <yofel> I never actually tried my hdmi port here, but in my phonon settings I have internal audio (pulseaudio) and hdmi as audio devices
[21:35] <socomm> ok
[21:36] <socomm> let me try that
[21:36] <ArGGu^^> I have kubuntu 10.04 on my mediacenter with pulseaudio. I have set pulseaudio to use hdmi and it works.
[21:41] <kamillo1888> hi, if I enable ati radeon drivers, loading screen in kubuntu was changed into text mode, non graphics (with radeonhd drivers), what the problem is it?
[21:42] <kamillo1888> my kubuntu version is: 10.10
[21:43] <yofel> the proprietary graphics drivers don't support the interface the boot splash needs to recognise the right resolution (kernel mode setting)
[21:44] <kamillo1888> ok, i think this is problem with messages that services sending into console in system loading...
[21:45] <yofel> no, the text splash supports messages too, so it shouldn't matter (looks bad though :/)
[21:46] <yofel> there are ways to set the resolution by hand, google for grub gfxpayload
[21:46] <kamillo1888> ok thx ^yofel
[21:54] <socomm> hmmm is it normal for the hdmi to be zeroed out?
[21:55] <socomm> im using alsamixer, i've umuted but the thing is set to zero with no option to increase
[22:20] <valorie> socomm: use your arrow keys
[22:39] <shane4ubuntu> ok, another minor annoyance that I can't seem to pin down, my Num lock light is not on, but num lock is???  Somehow KDE messes with that and I'm not sure how to set it up correctly??  Any ideas?  I want num lock on all the time, and I want the light on all the time.
[22:47] <shane4ubuntu> I found where the settings are, however how do I get my light to lineup with the action?  if numlock is on, the light should be, and it isn't!
[22:48] <shane4ubuntu> lol, this apparently is an issue that goes back to '07-'08!  incredible.
[23:07] <bl4cksh33p> hi guys
[23:08] <bl4cksh33p> i have some problem with the windows "run as root" of kde, beacuse the password dosnt mach with my password
[23:08] <bl4cksh33p> and i must to do all in the terminal
[23:08] <friese> hi
[23:09] <friese> anybody knows the window-class of colibri?
[23:16] <Daskreech> hi shane4ubuntu
[23:26] <drbobb> the kde 4.6RC2 from ppa is working pretty nicely, except that kpackagekit segfaults right after startup - known issue?
[23:38] <shane4ubuntu> Daskreech: howdy!
[23:38] <Daskreech> yo
[23:39] <shane4ubuntu> do you know about the num lock issue and how to fix it?
[23:39] <shane4ubuntu> at least the light is lined up with the button now, but it was off.
[23:40] <Daskreech> Heard about it. Thought that it was amusing
[23:41] <shane4ubuntu> it is at least for a while, until today when I was using my numberpad, and instead of typing it went all over and deleted stuff.
[23:41] <shane4ubuntu> that was a little less than amusing at the moment
[23:49] <shane4ubuntu> 4.5.5 update today!  I upgraded, no probs, now we will see if strigi will work for me.
[23:51] <shane4ubuntu> Oh well, still no strigi


[02:10] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [07:02] <oSoMoN> jibel, good morning! ubuntu-rtm/landing-008 has incorrectly appeared in the "Need QA Sign-off" lane, it’s not ready for sign-off, can it be removed?
[07:03] <oSoMoN> (the "Testing pass" column of the CI train spreadsheet had "Yes" with no valid image number, tester or device)
[07:54] <jibel> oSoMoN, good morning, done
[07:55] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[09:00] <sil2100> huh, it's snowing here
[09:13] <oSoMoN> jibel, how likely is it that silo 9 will be validated by QA today?
[09:14] <sil2100> seb128: silo assigned, but coordinate with Mirv as he has silo 18 with qt as well that's fixing a critical touch blocker (but it's still in the works)
[09:15] <seb128> sil2100, yeah, cf #ubuntu-desktop backlog ;-)
[09:15] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[09:16] <jibel> oSoMoN, it should not be a problem to verify it today unless several RTM silos show up
[09:16] <oSoMoN> cool
[09:16]  * oSoMoN crosses fingers
[09:18] <sil2100> seb128: ah :) Yeah, then all's ok
[09:20] <dbarth> sil2100: can i send you a source package for the oxide silo? (forcing the use of gcc-4.8); i can't dput it into our current ppa, because of a later version
[09:21] <sil2100> dbarth: could you upload it somewhere to people.canonical.com and send me the link? :)
[09:21] <sil2100> btw. you want to force 4.9 not 4.8, right?
[09:24] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv, how can I upload to a CI train ppa?
[09:25] <seb128> dput got rejected saying I don't have upload rights
[09:25] <seb128> shouldn't coredev be authorized?
[09:26] <sil2100> seb128: geh, yeah, they should, but I think it's not the case right now
[09:26] <sil2100> slangasek: ping
[09:26] <seb128> slangasek is likely sleeping at this hour no?
[09:27] <sil2100> asac: hey, are you around? Could you add ~ubuntu-core-dev do the ~ci-train-ppa-service team?
[09:27] <dbarth> sil2100: i want to force to 4.8, as 4.9 produces code that provides an incorrect rendering
[09:27] <sil2100> dbarth: ah, I thought it was the other way around, ok
[09:28] <sil2100> dbarth: that's for RTM?
[09:28] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, but he tends to be around at different hours by accident ;)
[09:29] <seb128> sil2100, :-)
[09:30] <dbarth> seb128: yes
[09:30] <Mirv> seb128: if you can push your changes already to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtbase-opensource-src (packaging branch only) I can include it in my next 018 silo upload
[09:30] <asac> sil2100: does slangasek agree?
[09:30] <sil2100> seb128: sadly, I am not the admin for this team, so not much we can do besides waiting or uploading for you
[09:31] <asac> sil2100: asking because in the past we got push back when trying to add core-dev to teams because of mail-spamming etc.
[09:31] <Laney> seb128: want a sponsor? ;-)
[09:31] <sil2100> asac: I suppose so, it was his proposition to give all core-devs the power to publish through the train - not sure about the spamming though
[09:32] <sil2100> asac: ok, let's wait for slangasek
[09:32] <asac> sil2100: lets double check. yeah
[09:32] <asac> let me know if you got the info
[09:32] <sil2100> Sure, thanks
[09:41] <seb128> Laney, if you want to dput people.canonical.com/~seb128/qtbase-opensource-src_5.4.1+dfsg-2ubuntu4.dsc to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-012 please do :-)
[09:41] <seb128> thanks
[09:42] <Laney> okay
[09:42] <seb128> thanks
[09:42] <Laney> or asac could just add you individually ...
[09:45] <asac> who needs adding short term?
[09:46] <Laney> seb128
[09:46] <Laney> think he went afk though so I'll still dput this oen
[09:46] <asac> hmm. seb was trained and enabled for ci train, no?
[09:46]  * asac adds him
[09:46] <asac> yeah he left the team :P
[09:46] <asac> he is deactivated
[09:47] <Laney> all this team lets you do is dput to the PPAs, everything else is granted by core-dev
[09:47] <Laney> AFAIK
[09:47] <asac> right, but i think seb128 opted-out given that he is a deactivated member
[09:47] <Laney> nod
[09:47]  * asac will activate him
[09:47] <Laney> maybe wait for confirmation :)
[09:47]  * asac thinks he can deactivate if he doesnt like to be actiavted
[09:47] <asac> hehe
[09:47] <asac> seb128 reactivated :P
[09:49] <ogra_> iirc slangasek wanted some kind of separate group or some such since the mail spam you get is enormous ...
[09:49] <ogra_> (but i might mis-remember)
[09:51] <Laney> I never remember how launchpad mail works
[09:51] <Laney> doesn't core-dev having an email address set mean that they'll get filtered out?
[09:52] <ogra_> i think thats the question where the discussion ended last time :)
[09:54]  * Laney asked in #lp
[09:59] <Laney> Should be fine from the spam POV
[10:00] <ogra_> awesome
[10:01] <ogra_> then we should simply add it
[10:02] <sil2100> I would opt for that, yes
[10:02] <Laney> I think there's some policy issue around non-staff and de-virt PPAs
[10:02] <Laney> Someone with appropriate authority should rule it's okay. :)
[10:03] <sil2100> I think this was already discussed on other channels :)
[10:07] <dbarth> sil2100: quick update; dpkg-buildpackage is still running on the 350Mb+ tarball of oxide... :/ i will upload that to you just next
[10:08] <sil2100> dbarth: yeah, I know how that looks, I had to build the source package of oxide a few times already
[10:57] <dbarth> sil2100: ping; transfer ready
[11:02] <sil2100> dbarth: where did you upload it? :)
[11:02] <dbarth> sil2100: i pinged you on another channel
[11:02] <sil2100> Ah!
[11:04] <joc_> sil2100: hi
[11:04] <sil2100> joc_: hey
[11:05] <joc_> sil2100: i've been asked by the product managers to prep some phones with silo 4 however it looks like it needs a rebuild
[11:05] <joc_> sil2100: is there some way to get that done?
[11:06] <sil2100> joc_: yeah, it seems some other ubuntu-keyboard landed in the meantime - I could try rebuilding it for bfiller
[11:06] <sil2100> bfiller: you around? Any objections on rebuilding silo 4?
[11:08] <ogra_> imgbot, status 156 vivid
[11:09] <imgbot> Status: succeeded, Started: 2015-03-31 02:02:06 UTC, Finished: 2015-03-31 03:01:42 UTC
[11:09] <imgbot> Build URL: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-touch/+build/23785
[11:09] <imgbot> Changelog: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/156.changes
[11:20] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi folks! could I get vivid silo 6 reconfigured please? I've added a new project (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/libqtdbusmock/ofono-urfkill/+merge/246916) to the list of MRs
[11:21] <sil2100> pete-woods: on it!
[11:21] <pete-woods> sil2100: thanks!
[11:21]  * sil2100 off to prepare lunch
[11:37] <rvr> dbarth: alex-abreu: Silo 5 (twitter pic sharing) is tested and approved.
[11:45] <dbarth> rvr: cool; thanks
[11:46] <Mirv> dbarth: MP needs top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/unity-webapps-qml/rtm-tools-api/+merge/253530
[11:52] <seb128> asac, thanks
[11:53] <seb128> asac, Laney, I probably opted out because that team membership generates email spam for ppa build failures, etc
[11:53] <Laney> yeah I shitcanned those immediately
[12:08] <asac> right so thats why we shouldnt add ubuntu-core-dev to this team ... they will come back telling us to undo because of mailspam 99.99%
[12:08] <asac> :)
[12:11] <Laney> asac: we confirmed that the team will stop its members getting mail
[12:11] <Laney> it's only when direct individuals get added
[12:29] <dbarth> Mirv: done
[12:32] <Mirv> thanks dbarth
[12:53] <jgdx> citrain does not take --serial or something like it?
[12:54] <sil2100> What do you mean?
[12:54] <jgdx> sil2100, if I want to put a silo on one of my three devices, I can't choose which.
[12:54] <jgdx> they're all connected to my laptop
[12:55] <sil2100> Ah, you mean the citrain cli tool?
[12:55] <jgdx> sil2100, right
[12:55] <dbarth> sil2100: about the oxide silo; do you need me to trigger any build, or is that all handled by your source copy ?
[12:56] <sil2100> dbarth: no, it's just taking quite a while, since it re-uploads the tarball...
[13:02] <dbarth> sil2100: ok
[13:18] <Mirv> try debdiff:ing two oxide versions, that's fun for your machine
[13:27] <rvr> cyphermox: ping
[13:32] <rvr> cyphermox: I copied the /var/lib/ofono/<imsi> directory to a new one, but now, what? list-contexts hasn't changed.
[13:34] <sil2100> bfiller: ping
[13:34] <bfiller> sil2100: pong
[13:34] <sil2100> bfiller: QA signed-off gallery and we landed it in the archive, you can push to the store :)
[13:34] <sil2100> (if you didn't already)
[13:35] <bfiller> sil2100: yes, let me just rebuild the click from trunk now that it is landed and I will push
[13:35] <pmcgowan> seb128, think we should land that sound icon fix in rtm?
[13:43] <sil2100> bfiller: excellent, thanks
[13:43] <seb128> pmcgowan, that would be good if it's easy to backport
[13:44] <seb128> pmcgowan, it's easy to forget that you activated silent mode atm
[13:44] <pmcgowan> seb128, I checked the diff and it looks pretty good, asking to do it
[13:44] <pmcgowan> yes we have all done that
[13:44] <seb128> pmcgowan, thanks!
[13:45] <sil2100> ralsina: hey!
[13:46] <sil2100> ralsina: regarding the silo I just assigned for ubuntu-rtm ubuntu-push
[13:46] <sil2100> ralsina: can you make sure that all those fixes also land in vivid (if applicable)
[13:47] <sil2100> (to keep the delta between archives as low as possible)
[13:48] <ralsina> sil2100: yes
[13:48] <ralsina> sil2100: I have a silo requested for the system settings MR and the push changes are already in vivid
[13:49] <sil2100> Ah, ok, excellent, I see it now
[13:51] <sil2100> ralsina: had to fix the merge links though, since those were links to branches - could you double check if all is ok now on the spreadsheet?
[13:52] <ralsina> sil2100: oops, sry, checking
[13:53] <ralsina> sil2100: looks good
[13:53] <sil2100> ralsina: silos assigned :)
[13:54] <cyphermox> rvr: you also need to change the name of the contexts in the gprs file contained, then reboot
[13:54] <ralsina> yay
[13:54] <kenvandine> ralsina, keep in mind that will need a rebuild after silo 1 lands
[13:54] <cyphermox> rvr: like awe_ said, it may be easier to use two valid SIMs instead
[13:54] <sil2100> dbarth: oxide is building in silo 004 now (RTM)
[13:55] <sil2100> dbarth: had to change the silo as 006 had a different versioning scheme that's bigger than what we wanted to upload now
[13:55] <awe_> rvr, the easiest to confirm is to make sure that none of the contexts in either gprs will connect
[13:56] <awe_> ( ie. just give them fake AccessPointNames
[13:56] <awe_> )
[13:56] <sil2100> dbarth: the error on the silo is, well... known
[13:56] <awe_> the whole idea is that NM should only look at the <IMSI> directory that matches that of an installed SIM
[13:57] <awe_> where IMSI == SubscriberIdentity ( from list-modems )
[13:58] <ralsina> sil2100: I seem to have lied, push fixes are not on vivid, they will be landed tomorrow, just FYI
[14:00] <sil2100> ralsina: ok, as long as you keep that on your radar and make sure that happens - all is good
[14:00] <slangasek> sil2100, asac: was there still a question outstanding regarding adding core-dev to ci-train-ppa-service?  We certainly don't want core-devs to start getting ci-train-ppa-service spam
[14:00] <slangasek> but maybe that's not an issue?
[14:00] <bfiller> sil2100, popey: new gallery in store ready for review/publication
[14:00] <sil2100> slangasek: from what Laney said it's not an issue
[14:01] <popey> bfiller: on it
[14:01] <sil2100> slangasek: he poked on #lp and it seems he got an answer that in this case, where a core-dev team e-mail is set, no one will get any spam mail
[14:01] <slangasek> sil2100: are we sure about that? I know I set up a procmail rule to get rid of ci-train-ppa-service spam for myself
[14:01] <sil2100> (IIRC)
[14:01] <slangasek> ok
[14:01] <sil2100> Laney: ^ ?
[14:01] <slangasek> do you still need me to make the team addition?
[14:02] <sil2100> slangasek: I think yes, we didn't do that yet as we didn't know if there weren't any other objections
[14:03] <popey> bfiller: done.
[14:06] <asac> sil2100: slangasek: if its a non issue i think its fine to add core-dev. i leave the decision and execution of trying that to slangasek if you choose to do that :)
[14:06] <rvr> cyphermox: If I use two valid SIMs, what do I check?
[14:07] <asac> slangasek: sil2100: in all cases there should be a headss up to ubuntu-devel before we add them, also giving them some background etc. in case they wonder what to do with their powers etc.
[14:11] <cyphermox> rvr: in both cases you need to check that as you switch between SIMs, NM only considers the contexts from the valid SIM
[14:12] <cyphermox> ie. from the SIM that is currently inserted
[14:23] <rvr> cyphermox: Ok, I have now two SIMs.
[14:23] <rvr> cyphermox: Next?
[14:24] <rvr> cyphermox: How do I switch between SIMs?
[14:24] <cyphermox> by removing one and inserting the other?
[14:25] <rvr> cyphermox: Ahh, not inserted at the same time
[14:38] <rvr> cyphermox: Ok, these are the contexts in different situations. First, I had two inserted SIMs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712412/
[14:38] <sil2100> jibel, robru, davmor2, rvr, popey, ogra_: I would need to skip today's evening meeting - you fine with cancelling it altogether?
[14:38] <rvr> cyphermox: Then, I removed one of them, and rebooted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712413/
[14:38] <rvr> sil2100: Yes
[14:38] <popey> sil2100: yes
[14:38] <ogra_> sil2100, totally
[14:38] <rvr> cyphermox: And finally, I switched the SIM and rebooted: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10712414/
[14:38] <rvr> cyphermox: Is that correct?
[14:39] <jibel> sil2100, WFM
[14:39] <davmor2> sil2100: Whatever cancelmonger
[14:39] <sil2100> davmor2: ;)
[14:40] <rvr> davmor2: Get a life! He has more important things to do than joking around ;)
[14:40] <davmor2> rvr: No he doesn't ;)
[14:40] <rvr> davmor2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-7pgeD__qU
[14:44] <om26er> oSoMoN, Hi!
[14:44] <oSoMoN> hey om26er
[14:45] <om26er> oSoMoN, with silo9, I see this http://i.imgur.com/6NIJZNQ.png
[14:45] <om26er> I guess in this case the header should not be an overlay ?
[14:45] <oSoMoN> om26er, oh, good catch, I’ll fix that real quick, it’s a trivial one
[14:47] <cyphermox> rvr: that's not where you need to look, you need to check how NM behaves, not ofono; look in /var/log/syslog
[14:48] <om26er> oSoMoN, as per procedure I'll move the current card to failed and when the new silo is built it will automatically appear in trello and we'll pick it from there.
[14:48] <oSoMoN> om26er, ok
[14:48] <oSoMoN> om26er, will be ready in 2mins + the time to rebuild the silo
[14:50] <oSoMoN> om26er, PPA rebuilding
[14:51] <oSoMoN> om26er, oh, wait, that was in the webapp container, right? I fixed the same issue in the browser, will now fix it in the container
[14:52] <om26er> oSoMoN, yeah, thats a webapp
[14:52] <om26er> oSoMoN, is there a single code base for both ?
[14:52] <rvr> cyphermox: https://pastebin.canonical.com/128711/
[14:52] <oSoMoN> om26er, yes, that’s the same code base indeed
[14:58] <oSoMoN> om26er, ok, fixed in the container too, will wait for the current silo build to complete before triggering a new one, I’ll ping you when it’s built
[14:58] <om26er> oSoMoN, ok
[14:58] <oSoMoN> om26er, thanks again for catching this one, I had completely overlooked this issue
[14:59] <om26er> oSoMoN, no problem :)
[15:07] <rvr> cyphermox: ?
[15:07] <Saviq> trainguards, I can has silo for line 57 please?
[15:07] <sil2100> Saviq: on it!
[15:07] <sil2100> Sorry, in a meeting
[15:07] <Saviq> pete-woods wants one for line 58, too :)
[15:09] <cyphermox> rvr: looks fine
[15:09] <rvr> cyphermox: Is it ok then?
[15:09] <cyphermox> yes
[15:10] <rvr> cyphermox: Ok, approving the silo. To speed things up, next time please add test cases.
[15:11] <cyphermox> there is a test plan
[15:11] <cyphermox> (and test case for the bug is in the bug)
[15:12] <cyphermox> or so I've been told
[15:32] <om26er> jgdx, Hi!
[15:32] <jgdx> om26er, yo
[15:33] <om26er> jgdx, to verify the fix in [1] after editing the gprs file a reboot will do as well ?
[15:33] <om26er> [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/apn-no-overwrite-1415495-rtm/+merge/254129
[15:34] <jgdx> om26er, restart's not working for you? Yes, it should.
[15:34] <om26er> jgdx, it didn't sims stayed Offline
[15:34] <jgdx> *ofono stop and start
[15:35] <jgdx> om26er, really. Hm, okay.
[15:35] <jgdx> om26er, to confirm, this [1] was the gprs file you used? [1] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/196032938/gprs
[15:36] <om26er> jgdx, yes, for both SIMs
[15:36] <om26er> jgdx, now gprs is not working for me
[15:37] <jgdx> om26er, please specify that which is not working?
[15:37] <om26er> jgdx, 2G/3G is not working on any of my SIMs after editing the apn file
[15:38] <jgdx> om26er, that's not a acceptance criteria for this particular bug, though.
[15:38] <jgdx> *an
[15:39] <jgdx> om26er, I can make 6. more specific. 2 sec
[15:40] <seb128> Mirv, still around?
[15:40] <om26er> jgdx, didn't get that last sentence
[15:41] <jgdx> om26er, I have made the test plan a bit more specific: https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/apn-no-overwrite-1415495-rtm/+merge/254129
[15:43] <om26er> jgdx, ah, ok. That seems to work as intended
[15:44] <jgdx> om26er, great. If you backed up your gprs file, you can restore it and reboot. If not, let me know.
[15:44] <om26er> jgdx, I didn't backup. It'll get restored when I start testing next silo
[15:44] <jgdx> om26er, oke doke
[15:48] <Laney> sil2100 / slangasek: Should be fine; the team's email address catches mail.
[15:48] <Laney> Ah, it's done already
[15:53] <rvr> Guys, is not good to ask for QA sign off and then rebuild the silo
[15:53] <rvr> oSoMoN: What did you change?
[15:54] <oSoMoN> rvr, I fixed the issue uncovered by om26er when he initially tested the silo, see the failed column
[15:54] <rvr> Ahhh, I see
[15:54] <rvr> Three cards right now
[15:54] <rvr> Meh
[15:54] <rvr> om26er: I re-assign the silo to you then
[15:55] <om26er> rvr, ok
[15:55] <om26er> will get to it after ubuntu-system-settings
[15:55] <oSoMoN> rvr, I had to rebuild the silo twice, I guess that’s the reason why there are two cards for it
[15:56] <rvr> oSoMoN: Yeah, sure, it's ok. Sorry, I wasn't aware that om26er already test it.
[15:57] <om26er> jgdx, whats the TestPlan to run except for these bug fixes ?
[15:59] <jgdx> om26er, we don't have proper one. We do have a task for that, though.
[16:01] <kenvandine> rvr, be aware that silo 16 is going to need a rebuild after silo 28 lands
[16:01] <kenvandine> rvr, but the changes won't effect each other
[16:02] <rvr> kenvandine: Hmm... I see.
[16:14] <rvr> kenvandine: Silo 16 works fine, Telegram is displayed once. But I am blocking it until a test is added, as it comes with no one.
[16:15] <kenvandine> ralsina, ^^
[16:19] <ralsina> rvr: test as in autopilot test?
[16:19] <rvr> ralsina: Yeah
[16:19] <ralsina> rvr: I have never done one, I guess I can try :-P
[16:22] <rvr> ralsina: Autopilot is not required per se, but at least a test that checks that Notifications group per package and not as before. Anyway, I think it can be done with autopilot easily.
[16:23] <ralsina> rvr: the only app that will show any difference at this point is telegram
[16:23] <ralsina> so the test needs to install telegram and check that there's only one item
[16:24] <rvr> ralsina: Yeah, so the test should be skipped if no Telegram is installed. So it would be something like: if there's a Telegram entry, it should be one. If there is none, pass.
[16:24] <dobey> citrain: can i get https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-builder-14.09-armhf/27/artifact/output/com.canonical.payui_15.01.120_armhf.click uploaded to the store please? thanks
[16:25] <ralsina> rvr: ok, I'll start llearning how to do it
[16:39] <bdmurray> cihelp: I'm looking for a refresher on how to sort out this test failure https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-ubuntu-release-upgrader/
[16:46] <plars> bdmurray: hmm, qa might be your best bet for that question, but looking at those runs, I find this:
[16:46] <plars> root: WARNING: file 'quantal.tar.gz.gpg' missing
[16:46] <plars> bdmurray: any chance ubuntu-release-upgrader has some bits in it hardcoded for quantal?
[16:47] <plars> bdmurray: the previous (passing) results were pre-EOL for quantal... may just be smoke but it raises a red flag for me just looking at the output
[16:49] <bzoltan_> robru: thank you
[16:49] <robru> bzoltan_: you're welcome
[16:52] <bdmurray> plars: looking
[16:53] <dobey> oops
[16:53] <dobey> cihelp: can i get  https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-click-builder-14.09-armhf/27/artifact/output/com.canonical.payui_15.01.120_armhf.click uploaded to the  store please? thanks
[16:55] <bdmurray> plars: no, nothing quantal specific
[17:13] <bdmurray> plars: oh, actually I found it and yeah its probably trying to the quantal release upgrdaer
[17:13] <robru> brb
[17:14] <bdmurray> plars: so what is the right way to proceed? It doesn't really seem worth an upload for that.
[17:26] <fginther> dobey, I can do that
[17:27] <boiko> trainguards: can I please get vivid silo 24 reconfigured? I added a new component there (telepathy-ofono)
[17:27] <fginther> dobey, upload finished
[17:34] <jhodapp> robru, can I get a silo for spreadsheet line 60 please?
[17:39] <plars> bdmurray: if it's part of a test in the packaging, I'm not sure how else you would fix it
[17:45] <jhodapp> sil2100, you still around? Can I get a silo for line 60 please?
[17:48] <robru> jhodapp: one sec
[17:48] <jhodapp> cool
[17:54] <robru> jhodapp: boiko: k should be good to go
[17:55] <boiko> robru: thanks
[17:58] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[18:15] <dobey> fginther: thanks
[18:26] <jhodapp> robru, thanks
[18:27] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome
[19:27] <robru> fginther: https://pastebin.canonical.com/128739/ can I get you to take a look at this venv issue? not sure what I'm missing here
[20:10] <oSoMoN> trainguards: hey, can I haz an RTM silo for line 61 ?
[20:10] <charles> hey, what happened to indicator-power and ubuntu-themes in line 61?
[20:10] <robru> oSoMoN: sure can't! because that's charles line
[20:11] <robru> charles: dunno, I assigned a silo for your line 61, you got silo 10 there ^^
[20:11] <charles> robru, want me to re-add it on line 62?
[20:11] <robru> oSoMoN: charles: hm just reloaded and it switched to osomon's
[20:12] <robru> charles: yeah please
[20:12] <charles> same here
[20:12] <charles> ack, adding to 62
[20:12] <oSoMoN> huh, line 61 was empty here, I wonder what the heck happened
[20:13] <robru> oSoMoN: spreadsheet is rubbish
[20:13] <oSoMoN> charles, I’m sorry if my request overwrote yours, when I input my name in the lander column that line was empty here
[20:13] <robru> oSoMoN: you got silo rtm 1
[20:13] <oSoMoN> robru, I couldn’t agree more
[20:13] <robru> brb
[20:13] <oSoMoN> robru, thanks!
[20:13] <charles> oSoMoN, no worries
[20:13] <charles> it's happened to everyone
[20:15] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[21:38] <fginther> robru, I'm looking that error. are you still using bootstack?
[21:39] <robru> fginther: yeah bootstack. just talking with slangasek apparently this is due to vivid having switched to systemd.
[21:41] <fginther> robru, ??? How does any change in vivid impact this? I'm very curious
[21:48] <pmcgowan> robru, scouple of silos are marked passed in trello but not in the train
[21:49] <pmcgowan> maybe just vivid 30
[21:57] <robru> pmcgowan: looking
[21:57] <slangasek> fginther: because there are precise containers on top of a trusty environment, and lxc support for systemd is/was in need of an SRU
[21:58] <fginther> slangasek, I see, thanks
[21:58] <robru> fginther: oh sorry, slangasek asked me to try deploying directly from vivid (eg without the trusty sandbox), and it almost worked, but apparently the systemd switch in vivid has broken lxc in precise/trusty (which depend on upstart) so I'll have to keep using the trusty sandbox which is known to work until lxc fixes get SRUd.
[21:58] <robru> heh
[22:00] <fginther> robru, that makes sense, thanks for clarifying
[22:00] <robru> fginther: you're welcome
[22:10] <robru> pmcgowan: is silo 30 urgent? because it got invalidated by a manual distro upload, it needs to be rebuilt and it's not an MP that I can just rebuild; needs cyphermox to merge the distro version back into this version.
[22:11] <pmcgowan> robru, oh heck, yeah it fixes vivid blockers
[22:11] <pmcgowan> robru, but tomorrow is fine
[22:11] <pmcgowan> robru, wait manual distro upload?
[22:11] <robru> pmcgowan: k, if I publish it I'd be reverting https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201670718/network-manager_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu11_<IP_ADDRESS>-4ubuntu12.diff.gz which is pitti's work
[22:11] <robru> yeah
[22:12] <pmcgowan> um I thought vivid was froze
[22:12] <pmcgowan> ish
[22:12] <robru> pmcgowan: well it's a bugfix
[22:13] <pmcgowan> robru, thanks for the info
[22:13] <robru> pmcgowan: you're welcome.
[22:17] <cyphermox> ugh
[22:17] <cyphermox> don't worry too much about NM, i'll fix it
[22:17] <cyphermox> land some other fixes with it too
[22:18] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, sorry and thanks
[22:18] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: no worries
[22:18] <awe_> cyphermox, which other fixes?
[22:18] <pmcgowan> robru, what would have happened if I didnt notice it didnt land?
[22:19] <cyphermox> awe_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1436330
[22:20] <robru> pmcgowan: hmmm, well at some point the spreadsheet would have updated to say qa had signed off (spreadsheet hiccups are why i didn't notice it myself), and then i would have published it later and found this conflict.
[22:20] <awe_> cyphermox, ok
[22:21] <pmcgowan> robru, ok, but am a bit concerned
[22:22] <robru> pmcgowan: yes, it's the spreadsheet. it's been failing to sync all day. earlier there was a case where two different people were adding a new landing request at the same time and neither one saw the other one, so they wrote on the same row
[22:23] <robru> pmcgowan: in this case, either the qa person who approved the silo didn't mark it in the spreadsheet, or they did mark it but it wasn't saved (there's no way to say for sure which one of those possibilities is what happened).
[22:24] <robru> pmcgowan: either way, the lack of the status in the spreadsheet means that I didn't get the ping to publish it, so it just sat there
[22:24] <pmcgowan> robru, ok


[18:57] <genii> Does https://help.ubuntu.com/ try to offer the user documentaion in the language which their browser uses? If not, how to go to documentation in a specific language
[19:08] <CrazyLemon> help.ubuntu.com doesnt offer..but when you click on HTML for lets say 16.10 then yes..its in users language
[19:22] <genii> Excellent, thanks