[01:50] <Venim> anyone knwo how to get the wine menu working?
[01:50] <Venim> i.e. "other"
[01:50] <Venim> its full of stuff that i don't really have installed
[01:51] <f1assistance> how would I join a Windows workgroup or access such?
[07:34] <surgy> hey guys all of my bottons on my main panel are all the way to the left how do i fix this?
[07:35] <surgy> actually how do i make a new panel i just quit all of them
[07:35] <surgy> lol oop
[07:35] <surgy> oops
[07:36] <surgy> anyone?
[07:37] <bazhang> reset them?
[07:38] <surgy> i deleted all of my panels!
[07:38] <surgy> lol how do i get one back?
[07:38] <surgy> is there a way to reset them all to default?
[07:38] <bazhang> you wish to reset them?
[07:39] <surgy> yes please
[07:39] <bazhang> !panels
[07:40] <surgy> ok how do i keep all of my icons from being cluttered at the left hand side of the panel?
[07:40] <bazhang> did you reset them?
[07:41] <surgy> yes i restarted the panel
[07:42] <surgy> and i right click and move, but it wont let me move the icons anywhere i want
[07:43] <surgy> oh i figured it out
[07:43] <surgy> "expanding empty space"
[07:43] <surgy> but how do i move my network monitor and volume control?
[07:45] <surgy> ?
[07:45] <surgy> there is no "move" option when rightclicked
[07:48] <surgy> but how do i move my network monitor and volume control?
[07:49] <x0d> xubuntu+hp mini 110+internal SD card reader = unrecognized =/
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> aren't they in the syten tray?
[07:49] <x0d> everything else works fine, though
[07:49] <x0d> anyone know what packages support sdcard readers?
[07:50] <surgy> well_laid_lawn: they are on the main panel i want them to be off to the right
[07:50] <surgy> nvm
[09:54] <visitor1> sudo su does what?
[09:55] <Sysi> opens root-terminal
[09:55] <visitor1> its ok using?
[09:56] <Sysi> depends what you're doing, i like to not write sudo all the time when using aptitude
[09:57] <visitor1> ok, thanks Sysi
[09:57] <Sysi> but if you copy stuff, you can mess things
[09:58] <Sysi> (just properties but still)
[10:36]  * dreamtraveler_ geia
[16:53] <vince> Yo guys
[19:49] <eino> I deleted X and I would like rTorrent to be started when I boot up, but when I boot, I need to login. is there any way to automate this so that after I press the power button of my computer, the torrents start without me having to touch it at all?
[19:51] <well_laid_lawn> eino: there is a #rtorrent channel
[19:52] <knome> eino, you need to bind a script/app to a runlevel earlier than logging in
[19:52] <knome> eino, i don't know what/how, but runlevel is a good searchword :)
[19:54] <well_laid_lawn> the rtorrent wiki has stuff about that
[19:56] <eino> knome okay
[20:17] <Guest59513> My browsers , firefox chrome, seamonkey, are running really slow on xubuntu 32 and 64 and ubuntu 32 and 64, any ideas?
[22:08] <gddrew> can anyone help me? I'm having some trouble getting Xubuntu installed from Live CD.
[22:49] <gddrew> Having lots of trouble installing Xubuntu.
[22:53] <gddrew> Anyone here?
[23:06] <greg294> Anyone here?
[23:12] <gddrew> I need some Xubuntu help
[23:23] <gddrew> Anyone?
[23:59] <zerothis> _some_ of my opengl apps are painfully slow. have visual effects set to (*)none currently, compiz was working at full speed but then it quit <http://pastebin.com/7Rvt7WH7>


[01:12] <micahg> bug/feature humor: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DilbertDailyStrip/~3/ELiqVQ2o2Zw/
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[15:00] <bddebian> Boo
[15:40] <^arky^> hi, Where do you assign bugs related to non-working repo's
[15:48] <gnomefreak> ^arky^: ask them to try gb repos :)
[15:48] <gnomefreak> non-working repos are generall the repos "owner" for lack of a better word
[15:53] <arand> Would Bug #421407 qualify for a papercut?
[15:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 421407 in ubiquity "[Jaunty and Karmic] the installer by default proposes a wrong size for the Ubuntu partition (far too small)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421407
[16:02] <thekorn> bdmurray: hi, just FYI I started rewriting bughelper over the last weekend, https://code.launchpad.net/~bughelper-dev/bughelper/bughelper-ng
[16:35] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[19:42] <hggdh> ping bdmurray
[20:16] <bdmurray> hggdh: hi
[20:22] <hggdh> bdmurray, I think I now know why edge does not work on the GMs -- edge has changed the links, and instead of going to bugs.edge.lp.net,
[20:22] <hggdh> it goes to edge.lp.net. Ergo... CSS
[20:25] <dhillon-v101> hey guys, can I talk to Brian Curtis
[20:30] <hggdh> dhillon-v101, it is probably bcurtiswx, but he is not here right now
[21:22] <BUGabundo> boas noites
[21:22] <BUGabundo> /me waves
[21:31]  * hggdh waves back, and notice BUGabundo is using a broken IRC client
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hggdh: NEVER!
[21:32] <BUGabundo> and guud evening
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hggdh: why whould you say that?
[21:35] <hggdh> bucause of the "/me" at the beginning
[21:35] <hggdh> BUGabundo, can you please search gmane.org for messages (in ubuntu-bugs) from me? "C de-Avillez"
[21:35] <hggdh> the most recent I can find is either *none*, or March 2009
[21:41] <BUGabundo> hggdh: so?
[21:43] <hggdh> I have more input in ubuntu-bugs than that
[21:44] <hggdh> I certainly did not stop opening bugs, or working on them ;-)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> I don't follow Carlos :(
[21:44] <hggdh> I want to know if I am doing something wrong, or if gmane is just being picky with me
[21:46] <hggdh> bdmurray, I have a replacement lp_karma_suffix GM that adds a search link on the commenter (on gmane)
[21:47] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[21:47] <BUGabundo> two points
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I was still stuck on /me
[21:47] <BUGabundo> :/
[21:54] <BUGabundo> what's the nvidia opensource driver package name?
[21:55] <micahg> nv?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:55] <micahg> xserver-xorg-video-nv
[21:55] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:55] <Nafallo> !info xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[21:56] <ubot4> Nafallo: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (source: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau): X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.10~git+20090404+11be9a9-0ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 169 kB, installed size 420 kB
[22:02] <MightyTweek> Can anyone provide guidance on getting the priority of a bug onto a dev's radar for the release of Karmic? Specifically https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/361856
[22:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 361856 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 "New upstream 173.14.18 available" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:02] <mac_v> BUGabundo: just a doubt, isnt the nm applet supposed to refresh the wireless list when clicked on it?
[22:02] <mac_v> i'v read it some where but forgot the link!
[22:02] <BUGabundo> mac_v: not afaik
[22:02] <BUGabundo> mac_v: $ nm-tool
[22:02] <Nafallo> mac_v: I thought it scanned for networks all the time?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> or sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[22:03] <BUGabundo> Nafallo: every 45 secs I think
[22:03] <mac_v> i dont have problem,
[22:03] <Nafallo> I wonder how much battery that activity chews throu...
[22:04] <mac_v> but i read that the nm-applet is supposed to refresh the network lists when you click on it , there are bug reports for a button so want to mark as dups
[22:04] <mac_v> ;)
[22:05] <mac_v> damn it , wish asac was not a vacation :(
[22:05] <mac_v> on*
[22:06] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:06] <BUGabundo> wasn't he back already?
[22:12] <mac_v> BUGabundo: Nafallo http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ#head-96dbd4cab9367561769e01ca9e40776fbab2a83a
[22:13] <mac_v> hehe  , not bad memory :)
[22:25] <MightyTweek> Let's say there's a LP bug with Wishlist importance requesting an import from upstream, but there's a major regression the new version resolves. File a new bug or post a comment to the existing one requesting the priority be bumped up?
[22:26] <micahg> MightyTweek: bug #?
[22:26] <MightyTweek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/361856
[22:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 361856 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 "New upstream 173.14.18 available" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:27] <micahg> MightyTweek: which version of Ubuntu do you want this for?
[22:27] <MightyTweek> Karmic
[22:28] <MightyTweek> the major regression being that the current version doesn't even compile on 2.6.31
[22:29] <BUGabundo> karmic doesn't have 173 anymore
[22:29] <BUGabundo> afair
[22:29] <kees> sure it does
[22:29] <micahg> MightyTweek: there's already comment about that in the bug
[22:29] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:29] <kees> nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 | 173.14.16-0ubuntu1 | file: karmic/restricted Sources
[22:29] <BUGabundo> then I was wrong
[22:30] <MightyTweek> My graphics adapter (GeForce FX 5200) is not supported by the newest nvidia driver, thus needing this one
[22:31] <micahg> MightyTweek: I would suggest checking with #ubuntu-motu to see if anyone will be working on this
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ppa for the beta xorg driver? anyone knows?
[22:31] <MightyTweek> micahg: thanks, will do
[22:32] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers
[22:32] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:34] <MightyTweek> in the meantime, does it make sense to nominate it for release for Karmic and mark the other bugs relating to the breakage on Karmic as duplicates of this one?
[22:35] <micahg> well, one's an update request
[22:35] <micahg> and one's a regression
[22:35] <micahg> I would think the regression should be prioritized
[22:35] <micahg> and a note added that it will fix the update as well
[22:36] <micahg> but I might be wrong
[22:36] <micahg> ping hggdh ^^
[22:38] <micahg> ping bdmurray
[22:39] <bdmurray> micahg: that sounds reasonable to me
[22:39] <micahg> ok
[22:39] <micahg> so keep them separate for the moment then?
[22:39] <bdmurray> yes
[22:39] <micahg> MightyTweek: did you catch that?
[22:42] <MightyTweek> micahg, yes, so I guess I should comment on one of the existing bugs about the breakage and mention the wishlist?
[22:44] <micahg> yeah
[22:45] <micahg> MightyTweek: here
[22:45] <micahg> s the person you should contact about the package
[22:45] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~albertomilone
[22:46] <MightyTweek> thanks micahg
[22:50] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping
[22:53] <hggdh> OK. going back to the hotel, will be back in 30 min.


[00:41] <zombiehoffa> is pcmanfm not copy/pasting files for anybody else?
[00:53] <csc`> Still waiting to see if anyone answers the question i had five days ago, in regards to after updating to Ringtail, I can no longer shut my laptop down anymore.
[01:09] <zombiehoffa> hmm. fix releasenames is blowing cpu usage up to 20+
[01:09] <zombiehoffa> That's new since I git pulled
[01:10] <zombiehoffa> awe crap, wrong window, sorry
[01:12] <phillw> csc`: have you asked on the forum or mailing list?
[01:12] <csc`> phillw, I don't particularly get decent feedback on Forums and I don't do mailing lists.
[01:12] <csc`> I get enough 'spam' as it is.
[01:13] <csc`> all I want to know is what log I should start looking at, I can more than likely fix it myself if I know where to look
[01:15] <phillw> csc`: when you say 'shut down' do you mean that the shut down option is not available, or if it is what happens when you select it?
[01:16] <csc`> it happens at the splash, only the splash falters and reveals the text sequencing
[01:16] <csc`> it spits no error message out, and i've left it for about 2 hours + to see if it shut down eventually, and it never did
[01:17] <csc`> to be honest i'm probably going to just go back to 12.04 LTS
[01:18] <phillw> csc`: have a try of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2141890&p=12632626#post12632626
[01:18] <phillw> at least then we have a chance to see what the error is?
[01:20] <csc`> phillw, I already notice a similarity
[01:20] <csc`> this is a dell inspiron 2200
[01:20] <csc`> what is bumblebee?
[01:21] <phillw> I'm heading for bed (02:18 am here). feel free to email me on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with what you find and I'll dig a bit further when I have slept. There are several threads open on "cannot shut down"
[01:21] <phillw> csc`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[01:21] <csc`> i saw
[01:21] <csc`> but this laptop is intel based
[01:22] <csc`> doesn't contain any nVidia chipset for graphics
[01:22] <phillw> obviously only of use for nvid :)
[01:22] <phillw> does the computer shut down if you tell it to from a console?
[01:24] <csc`> haven't tried
[01:24] <csc`> about to though
[01:24] <phillw> csc`: i.e. Menu --> Accessories --> LXTerminal
[01:24] <phillw> sudo -i
[01:24] <phillw> (enter password)
[01:26] <phillw> hiyas hyperair, and others... I'm off to bed. csc's computer hangs on selecting shutdown. Hopefully the OP will be back after running
[01:26] <phillw> shutdown -h -q now
[01:26] <phillw> to see how it got on.
[01:26] <hyperair> hm okay
[01:26] <hyperair> hangs on shutdown eh
[01:28] <phillw> hyperair: there are quite a few hits for this with 13.04. He is an intel graphic card, so not a nVid issue. I've suggested using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2141890&p=12632626#post12632626 so any errors are reported.
[01:29] <phillw> I will leave him to your tender mercy :)
[01:31] <csc`> phillw, no, in fact after doing what the forum post suggested it actually worsened
[01:31] <hyperair> csc`: what did you do?
[01:31] <hyperair> oh the quiset splash thing?
[01:31] <csc`> removed 'quiet splash' from /etc/default/grub
[01:31] <hyperair> and how did it worsen?
[01:32] <hyperair> what does it do now that it doesn't do before?
[01:32] <csc`> now i cant even see the last remenants of the shutdown process
[01:32] <hyperair> what last remnants?
[01:32] <csc`> because the splash screen still displays
[01:32] <hyperair> huh
[01:32] <csc`> and unlike before I modified the file, the splash screen would proceed as normal and fail to text instead
[01:32] <hyperair> so you mean that you could see text before?
[01:32] <csc`> now i've got the issue the last guy who posted has
[01:32] <csc`> yes.
[01:32] <hyperair> okay
[01:32] <csc`> and no, it had no obvious errors.
[01:32] <hyperair> so what did the text say?
[01:33] <csc`> no errors at all.
[01:33] <csc`> typical initscript stuff
[01:33] <hyperair> even if there aren't errors, i'd like to know the last log message
[01:33] <csc`> last was timidity shutting down
[01:33] <hyperair> that's it?
[01:33] <csc`> that I recall, yes
[01:34] <hyperair> could you try again and confirm that? i think the initscripts are parallelized. there could be something else hanging.
[01:34] <csc`> i can confirm that
[01:34] <hyperair> uninstall timidity and try again?
[01:34] <csc`> and no, i will not do it again because i've already hard-shutdown over a dozen times because of this bug
[01:35] <hyperair> well, if you're not interested in my assistance in debugging the issue then you can continue hard-shutting down.
[01:35] <csc`> No, I already stated I was downgrading to 12.04 LTS.
[01:35] <hyperair> downgrading.
[01:35] <csc`> phillw, requested I find the source of the issue
[01:35] <hyperair> you can't downgrade an ubuntu installation
[01:35] <csc`> of course you can
[01:35] <hyperair> no you can't.
[01:36] <hyperair> did you fresh install an older version?
[01:36] <csc`> its called going from version B to version A.
[01:36] <hyperair> it doesn't work that way
[01:36] <hyperair> how did you perform the downgrade?
[01:37] <csc`> I preserved /home/ and deleted everything else
[01:37] <hyperair> that's a fresh install.
[01:37] <csc`> its also downgrading from one version to another, the hard way.
[01:37] <hyperair> downgrading bears a different meaning.
[01:38] <csc`> your meaning is clearly obfuscated by that of society
[01:38] <hyperair> no it isn't.
[01:38] <csc`> "Reduce to a lower grade, rank, or level of importance."
[01:38] <csc`> Verb. Downgrade.
[01:39] <hyperair> downgrading as a technical jargon in the context of ubuntu refers to using the package manager to downgrade all the packages back.
[01:39] <hyperair> what you did was a fresh install
[01:39] <hyperair> and look, i'm not interested in arguing this issue out with you
[01:39] <csc`> im not using technical jargon, i'm using the definition as stated by the dictionary.
[01:39] <hyperair> if you wish to be stubborn, go to #ubuntu and be stubborn instead. there are plenty of people with more patience than i there.
[01:39] <csc`> Not particularly
[01:40] <csc`> I've never received any response to any issue in #ubuntu.
[01:40] <csc`> It has always gone ignored.
[01:40] <hyperair> perhaps you weren't there are the correct time.
[01:40] <csc`> Doubtful.
[01:40]  * hyperair shrugs
[01:41] <csc`> if you would like a 7z of /var/log, you're more than welcome to it
[01:41] <hyperair> ah yes please
[01:41] <csc`> but i really don't feel like deciphering this issue due to the 'severity'
[01:41] <hyperair> actually, instead of hard-shutting down, could you try this instead: when it hangs, let it hang for a while, then hit alt+sysrq+s, wait 10 seconds, and alt+sysrq+b
[01:42] <hyperair> then give me /var/log
[01:42] <csc`> i also had an issue with the proprietary software management system, in which my broadcom card was finally noted in it, but when I tried using the manager to manage the b43 module, i no longer had wireless
[01:43] <csc`> hyperair, may or may be difficult seeing as how i'd have to push four keys and typically keyboards only allow a maximum of three pressed
[01:43] <hyperair> it's a laptop, is it?
[01:43] <csc`> Yes.
[01:43] <hyperair> and sysrq requires fn?
[01:43] <csc`> Yes.
[01:43] <hyperair> you can try doing it without fn
[01:43] <hyperair> it seems to work for me
[01:44] <csc`> main button is Print Screen, Fn switches to SysRq
[01:44] <hyperair> so it becomes more of Alt+PrtSc+s, wait 10 secs, and Alt+PrtSc+b
[01:44] <hyperair> if that goes well, the +b one should reboot the system
[01:44] <hyperair> if it doesn't, then try using the fn version
[01:45] <hyperair> if that still doesn't work, then... well, just hard-poweroff and give me /var/log anyway
[01:48] <csc`> hyperair, didn't particularly do anything
[01:49] <hyperair> hmm, okay.
[01:49] <hyperair> then just give me /var/log anyway
[01:49] <hyperair> what does "sysctl kernel/sysrq" say?
[01:49] <csc`> 176
[01:51] <hyperair> weird, the magic keys should work.
[01:51] <csc`> i pushed it several times, both with and without the fn key
[01:51] <hyperair> could you try poking them now with the system running instead of when it's hanging?
[01:52] <hyperair> just to test that the sysrq keys work
[01:52] <hyperair> if the sysrq keys work now and not when it's hanging, that means the kernel has had a hard lock up
[01:52] <hyperair> which is bad and requires a separate machine to debug.
[01:52] <csc`> sounds about right
[01:54] <hyperair> so sysrq works now?
[01:55] <csc`> what will it do
[01:55] <csc`> because im uploading a 7z and transferring my home directory to the desktop via sftp
[01:56] <csc`> hyperair, see notice for the log as of whatever timestamp that has
[01:57] <hyperair> alright
[01:57] <hyperair> sysrq reboots the machine.
[01:58] <hyperair> i mean sysrq+b reboots the machine
[01:58] <hyperair> sysrq+s just triggers "sync"
[01:58] <csc`> hmm, how does ubuntu prevent root ssh access?
[01:58] <hyperair> but it'll show up in dmesg
[01:58] <csc`> via config?
[01:58] <hyperair> not sure what the default looks like, but mine has PermitRootLogin no
[01:58] <hyperair> grep PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[01:59] <csc`> says yes
[01:59] <csc`> but the request timed out
[02:01] <csc`> bleh, that'll teach me for running things as root
[02:01] <csc`> Is encrypted filesystem support stable in 12.04, hyperair?
[02:01] <hyperair> csc`: which kind? the dm-crypt over lvm one?
[02:01] <hyperair> if so, then it's been stable since before 8.04
[02:02] <csc`> preferably LUKS/LVM
[02:02] <csc`> im really not all that fluent when it comes to 'hardcore internals'
[02:02] <hyperair> hmm, i see a hung modprobe.
[02:03] <csc`> hyperair, b43 id presume?
[02:03] <hyperair> yes
[02:03] <csc`> yeah that was manually done.
[02:03] <hyperair> i think that's probably what's causing your shutdown to hang.
[02:03] <csc`> i cannot load it manually anymore after messing with jockey or whatever the proprietary driver management thing is
[02:03] <csc`> it hangs for 5 minutes then dies.
[02:03] <hyperair> it actually dies?
[02:03] <hyperair> O_O
[02:03] <csc`> modprobe does
[02:03] <hyperair> i saw a BUG. that usually results in an unkillable process
[02:04] <hyperair> hmm.
[02:04] <csc`> well b43 was working before i messed with it in 'software update settings'
[02:04] <csc`> that wasnt really a big deal from 12.04
[02:04] <hyperair> did it also have the shutdown hangging issue before you messed with it?
[02:05] <csc`> Can't recall tbh
[02:05] <csc`> i don't think I ever shutdown until after I mucked with it
[02:06] <csc`> regardless if you think that's the issue, I'd be willing to choose 13.04 over 12.04 LTS, because the main reason for this switch was to go full paranoia mode with encrypted filesystems
[02:06] <csc`> but theres another issue regarding anything beyond 12.04
[02:06] <csc`> the damnable PAE crap
[02:06] <hyperair> i've been in full paranoia mode with encrypted filesystems since 8.04
[02:06] <hyperair> what's wrong with PAE?
[02:06] <csc`> this laptop doesnt support it
[02:06] <hyperair> what?!
[02:06] <hyperair> what CPU is that running?
[02:06] <csc`> Pentium M
[02:07] <csc`> [apparently one of the models that allows you to still run a PAE kernel
[02:07]  * hyperair whistles
[02:07] <hyperair> wait, i thought you said it couldn't run a PAE kernel?
[02:07] <csc`> but ubuntu still ragequits
[02:07] <csc`> not without modification, no
[02:07] <hyperair> eh?
[02:07] <csc`> I modify proc/cpuinfo
[02:07] <csc`> to force the kernel
[02:07] <hyperair> ../proc/cpuinfo is modifiable?
[02:08] <hyperair> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 May  8 10:07 /proc/cpuinfo
[02:08] <csc`> something is
[02:08] <csc`> dunno, installed a package
[02:08] <hyperair> what package?
[02:09] <csc`> i love bottlenecks
[02:09] <csc`> =|
[02:09] <csc`> fake-pae - Add missing pae flag to /proc/cpuinfo
[02:09] <csc`> not recommended but I haven't experienced any adverse issues besides these
[02:10] <hyperair> interesting
[02:10] <Unit193> hyperair: It's some mangled "fake-pae" package, funtimes.  https://launchpad.net/~prof7bit/+archive/fake-pae
[02:10] <hyperair> Unit193: yeah i just saw
[02:10] <hyperair> bind mounts!
[02:10] <csc`> yeah.
[02:10] <hyperair> bwahahaha!
[02:10] <hyperair> very nice.
[02:11] <csc`> CBF'd to do it manually so I found the package during my journeys
[02:11] <hyperair> heh
[02:11] <csc`> you can upgrade to 12.10 from 12.06
[02:11] <hyperair> in any case, can you try seeing if alt+prtsc+s works?
[02:12] <hyperair> just hit that key, and after that run dmesg to see if anything happened
[02:12] <csc`> but you'll get annoying messages saying your package manager is broken
[02:12] <hyperair> it should show something like [250782.622253] SysRq : Emergency Sync
[02:12] <csc`> yes, it works.
[02:13] <hyperair> okay, so we know that your sysrq key works, but you couldn't do anything during the reboot.
[02:13] <csc`> nope
[02:13] <csc`> fubar'd
[02:14] <hyperair> sounds like it wasn't a mere stuck process..
[02:14] <hyperair> could you do dmesg | grep BUG and see if you have anything now?
[02:14] <hyperair> (you haven't run the modprobe command again have you?)
[02:15] <csc`> no
[02:15] <csc`> not since i upgraded
[02:15] <csc`> [   16.351941] Kernel BUG at f0bf69da [verbose debug info unavailable]
[02:15] <hyperair> oh wait, silly me. there it is.
[02:15] <hyperair> yeah that's probably what's causing it.
[02:15] <csc`> is it something I did or something in the kernel/ubuntu
[02:16] <csc`> but not to mention, it's quite a pain to install straight 13.04 on this laptop, no?
[02:17] <csc`> i'd still have to go from 12.04 and upgrade up
[02:17] <hyperair> well, yeah i think you need to get the netinst one
[02:17] <hyperair> the non-pae netinst installation
[02:17] <hyperair> which also allows you to do the LUKS/LVM setup
[02:17] <csc`> not an option
[02:17] <csc`> might i note an added complication: USB Tether
[02:17] <hyperair> usb tethering is surprisingly problem free
[02:17] <hyperair> is it an android?
[02:17] <csc`> nope
[02:18] <csc`> Palm Pre.
[02:18] <csc`> RNDIS
[02:18] <hyperair> you sure have some old hardware there..
[02:18] <hyperair> rndis is about right
[02:18] <hyperair> android uses that too
[02:18] <hyperair> [224862.927854] rndis_host 2-1.1.4:1.0 usb0: unregister 'rndis_host' usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.1.4, RNDIS device
[02:18]  * csc` is talking to you right now via said tether
[02:18] <hyperair> like that
[02:18] <hyperair> tethering is actually pretty damn problem free.
[02:18] <csc`> and it's routed throughout my apartment
[02:18] <csc`> :)
[02:18] <hyperair> nice
[02:18] <csc`> well i've had issues in the past
[02:18] <hyperair> hang on, you mean that old laptop is the one doing the routing?
[02:19] <csc`> its routing into a router, yes
[02:19] <hyperair> i see.
[02:19] <hyperair> okay, let's see
[02:19] <hyperair> try blacklisting the wl kernel module
[02:19] <csc`> will try, but yeah
[02:19] <csc`> gotta wait for this backup to complete :)
[02:20] <hyperair> oh hmm...
[02:20] <csc`> my desktop wont use this stupid wg311v2
[02:20] <hyperair> just drop to a terminal and remove the broadcom-sta-dkms package
[02:21] <csc`> is that some new broadcom driver crap or something?
[02:21] <csc`> Package 'broadcom-sta-dkms' is not installed, so not removed
[02:23] <hyperair> hmm
[02:23] <hyperair> remove broadcom-sta-source and broadcom-sta-common
[02:23] <csc`> wl is loaded however
[02:23] <hyperair> it's loaded?
[02:23] <hyperair> O_o
[02:23] <hyperair> oh yeah it probably is
[02:23] <hyperair> it's just hung
[02:23] <csc`> according to lsmod
[02:23] <hyperair> and probably defunct
[02:23] <hyperair> is your wifi card working?
[02:24] <csc`> nope.
[02:24] <hyperair> okay.
[02:24] <hyperair> just remove it then
[02:24] <csc`> rmmod wl && modprobe b43?
[02:24] <hyperair> yup
[02:24] <hyperair> i'm not sure you can rmmod it
[02:24] <csc`> nope, complains in use
[02:24] <hyperair> problem is that it's being modprobed during bootup
[02:24] <hyperair> you need to blacklist or remove it
[02:25] <csc`> Error: could not remove module wl: Device or resource busy
[02:25] <hyperair> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge broadcom-sta-source broadcom-sta-common
[02:25] <hyperair> that
[02:25] <hyperair> not rmmod
[02:25] <hyperair> i need you to get rid of the package
[02:25] <csc`> neither are installed...
[02:25]  * hyperair stares
[02:26] <hyperair> what does "modinfo wl" say?
[02:27] <csc`> want a pastebin or looking for a specific bit
[02:27] <hyperair> just the path
[02:27] <hyperair> something like..
[02:27] <hyperair> filename:       /lib/modules/3.9.0-hyper1/kernel/drivers/net/netconsole.ko
[02:27] <csc`> http://pastebin.com/J2TqDGgs
[02:27] <csc`> filename:       /lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko
[02:28] <hyperair> hmm dkms
[02:28] <csc`> also im running proposed updates due to hoping it would fix the damn issue
[02:28] <csc`> it had no effect
[02:29] <hyperair> no i need you to get rid of the "wl" module someho9w
[02:29] <hyperair> from your installation, completely.
[02:29] <hyperair> what do you have in /usr/src?
[02:29] <hyperair> try dpkg -S /usr/src
[02:30] <csc`> bcmwl-kernel-source
[02:30] <hyperair> aha
[02:30] <csc`> purging said package
[02:30] <hyperair> yay
[02:30] <csc`>   bcmwl-kernel-source* dkms* are to be removed/purged
[02:31] <csc`> dkms is safe to purge?
[02:32] <hyperair> er
[02:32] <hyperair> well if nothing else depends on it, i guess so
[02:32] <csc`> apt-get autoremove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[02:32] <csc`> wants to remove dkms and bcmwl-kernel-source
[02:32] <hyperair> when you install something that needs dkms it'll be installed again.
[02:32] <hyperair> it'll be fine then
[02:32] <csc`> only other thing i have is virtualbox
[02:32] <hyperair> dkms is just a kernel module rebuilder helper thing.
[02:33] <hyperair> and virtualbox doesn't use dkms?
[02:33]  * csc` shrugs
[02:33] <csc`> thought it did
[02:33] <hyperair> i think it does
[02:33] <csc`> some things have been a bit wonky
[02:33] <hyperair> then just do sudo apt-get install dkms
[02:33] <csc`> but not really as critical as this one
[02:33] <hyperair> (it's already installed, this just makes it marked as manually installed so autoremove doesn't try to get rid of it)
[02:33] <csc`> oh boy, removing all dkms modules
[02:33] <csc`> enter the funzone
[02:34] <hyperair> heh
[02:38] <csc`> so if all is well
[02:38] <csc`> i should be able to modprobe b43 and receive wireless correct
[02:38] <hyperair> yeah
[02:38] <hyperair> but you probably need to reboot
[02:39] <hyperair> basically now you should be rid of the wl
[02:39] <hyperair> and when you boot up the next round, dmesg | grep BUG shouldn't show anything
[02:39] <hyperair> and you should be able to shutdown
[02:41] <csc`> yeah modprobe kinda stalls again
[02:41] <csc`> figured id try it for the fun of it
[02:41] <csc`> id presume thats because technically the wl module is still loaded into memory
[02:48] <hyperair> you could strace modprobe to see where it hangs
[02:48] <hyperair> it's probably a hanging syscall
[02:48] <csc`> tis still hanging
[02:48] <csc`> and unresponsive to ctrl+c
[03:04] <csc`> hyperair, so the netinstall should work with a usb tether, correct?
[03:05] <hyperair> csc`: i think it should.
[03:07] <csc`> perhaps got a link to a guide to the netinstall with a non-pae CPU and doing luks/lvm?
[03:07] <hyperair> er wait
[03:07] <hyperair> haang on...
[03:07] <hyperair> i think you can just direct-install it
[03:07] <hyperair> using the normal desktop image
[03:07] <csc`> normal image would fail to boot
[03:08] <hyperair> iirc your CPU supports pae, but doesn't advertise it in /proc/cpuinfo
[03:08] <hyperair> it fails?
[03:08] <csc`> yes
[03:08] <csc`> still fails to boot
[03:08] <hyperair> what kernel are you booting right now?
[03:08] <csc`> "blah blah you no has pae supported processor"
[03:08] <csc`> hyperair, im faking cpuinfo, remember
[03:09] <hyperair> exactly!
[03:09] <hyperair> but the thing is that fake-pae only tricks the *userspace*
[03:09] <hyperair> i.e. dpkg.
[03:09] <hyperair> it doesn't trick the kernel
[03:11] <hyperair> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-1210-on-non-pae.html
[03:11] <hyperair> hmm
[03:11] <hyperair> looks like you need a custom kernel to do this.
[03:12] <hyperair> oh
[03:12] <hyperair> aha
[03:13] <hyperair> csc`: follow the instructions in the link, but instead of the 3.5.x kernels, use the 3.8.x kernels instead
[03:18] <csc`> hyperair, so what about encryption?
[03:18] <csc`> is that fairly seamless in the 13.04 installer?
[03:18] <csc`> (if i choose to nuke the entire laptop and start new, that is)
[03:20] <csc`> uh oh
[03:20] <csc`> ssh died.
[03:21] <csc`> guess its time to see if a reboot works
[03:29] <csc`> hyperair, well good and bad news
[03:29] <csc`> hyperair, sysrq works now, but it still stalled (Pretty sure I know why)
[03:30] <csc`> usually stalls if i keep the tether engaged phone-side
[03:45] <hyperair> hmm weird.
[03:47] <csc`> meh
[03:47] <csc`> initializing the tether PC side has improved since upgrading
[03:47] <csc`> so im not really complaining about it hanging if I leave my phone in 'tether mode'
[03:48] <csc`> hyperair, in regards to encryption though, is it fairly seamless with the 13.04 installer?
[03:48] <hyperair> csc`: not the desktop one. i think you need the alternate installer
[03:48] <hyperair> it's fairly seamless there.
[03:48] <csc`> damnit
[03:48] <hyperair> but it's not hard to do the LUKS/LVM partitioning yourself
[03:48] <hyperair> i did.
[03:49] <csc`> like i said im dumb when it comes to that
[03:49] <hyperair> google some guides
[03:49] <csc`> i use ubuntu based distros on laptops so I don't have to muck with it
[03:49] <csc`> it just works (tm)
[03:49] <csc`> ...usually
[03:49] <hyperair> it just works after installation. :)
[03:50] <csc`> so the alternate installer is fairly guided though when it comes to lvm/luks
[03:50] <hyperair> yes
[03:52] <csc`> also, hyperair, i should be able to just switch to a non-pae kernel to boot the installer, then just install fake-pae instead of a non-pae kernel, in theory?
[03:52] <hyperair> yes
[03:52] <csc`> ie. Follow the guide but instead of installing a kernel install fakepae
[03:53] <hyperair> yeah probably
[03:53] <csc`> figured as much
[03:54] <csc`> hopefully i wont run into the issue of the cursed wl driver
[03:54] <csc`> is wl a new replacement for b43?
[03:55] <csc`> also on a side note, i now has wireless
[05:29] <csc`> heh. unetbootin made a gz and not an lz
[05:29] <csc`> =\
[06:42] <silidan> hi, is there a openvpn client gui for LUbuntu that can be used by unprivileged users (means no root rights/password) to connect to a vpn?
[06:54] <csc`> hyperair, neither that guide nor the netinst image for stock ubuntu worked for non-pae
[06:55] <hyperair> hm that sucks
[06:55]  * hyperair doesn't have a pae machine to test
[06:55] <hyperair> er a non-pae machine
[06:56] <csc`> the guide modified to use 3.8 instead of 3.5 dropped to an ash terminal
[06:57] <csc`> hyperair, 12.04-alternate for lubuntu should be fairly painless to setup encryption though, i'd presume?
[06:58] <hyperair> try and see?
[06:58] <csc`> every try pretty much results in an hour wait
[07:00] <hyperair> well
[07:00] <hyperair> your guess is as good as mine.
[07:09] <csc`> hopefully im not wasting my time, heh.
[07:20] <qwertymn> hi, after upgrade to 13.04, after login the screen just stays blue, and lubuntu doesn't start the desktop anymore. Anyone an idea howto fix?
[07:21] <lele_> hi- installation of lubuntu 13.04 are good, on 256MB of ram, but chromium not open page for less memory, help please.
[07:45] <silidan> hi, is there a way for openvpn client to be used by unprivileged users (means no root rights/password) to connect to a vpn on LUbuntu 13.04?
[07:47] <csc`> silidan, perhaps theres a group, what does groups say
[07:48] <csc`> lele_, probably because you only have 256mb of ram
[07:48] <silidan> no there is no openvpn group
[07:48] <csc`> silidan, what does running 'groups' list
[07:49] <csc`> hmm perhaps im having a derp moment
[07:50] <silidan> csc`: i am currently not at that machine, cant tell you yet..
[07:51] <csc`> thats the wrong command anyway
[07:52] <silidan> well if you wanna know to which groups the user belongs grousp username will do
[07:52] <silidan> but i can assure you that user is part of netdev if that should be important
[07:53] <csc`> just 'groups' does that.
[07:53] <silidan> for the current logged in user that is...
[07:54] <silidan> csc`: i also found a tutorial to do that the problem is openvpn doesnt accept the "iproutes" in its config file, and also manuall creating the tun dev doesnt accept the --type argument...
[07:54] <csc`> really not all that familiar with *buntu internals
[07:55] <silidan> csc`: thanks anyway
[07:55] <csc`> perhaps iproutes should be readable by the users group?
[07:55] <csc`> dunno, haven't messed with VPN at all either
[07:57] <silidan> how can i check readability for the users group?
[10:48] <silidan> is the openvpn package ins lubuntu 13.04 the same as in ubuntu 13.04 and is it build with --enable-ipconfig2 ?
[11:45] <qwevic> hello. can you help me? i starterd and install lubuntu 12/04 on my pc and it is needed to boot with some option - when i reun form live cd i check marks on all option like boot with acpi=off etc . how do it again on instaled version?
[14:03] <Raju> Hi this is raju from Middle east
[14:04] <Raju> I just know that Lubuntu is supporting for the low configuration computers
[14:04] <Raju> I just wanted to know that lubuntu has got any server vertion
[14:05] <Raju> Kindly send me the details through my mail id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:06] <Raju> kindly provide me some msg about it
[14:06] <Myrtti> it's called Ubuntu server.
[14:06] <Raju> i am planning to convert most of our office computers to load Lubuntu
[14:07] <Myrtti> there is no separate Lubuntu version for servers.
[14:07] <Raju> Ok fine
[14:07] <Myrtti> Servers are Ubuntu's without any graphical user interface.
[14:07] <Raju> so i can Ubuntu as the server and Lubuntu as my client
[14:08] <Raju> Is it possible to use windows server as a mil server and all the client computers as Lubuntu
[14:08] <holstein> Raju: they are all ubuntu.. lubuntu is ubuntu with LXDE and certain configurations
[14:08] <Raju> Is there any possible communication with ADS
[14:08] <holstein> Raju: the server version is ubuntu *without* any desktop
[14:08] <holstein> they all use the same source repos
[14:09] <holstein> Raju: nothing about ubuntu/linux is preventing the integration of *anything* with it.. its all open and open for you to setup with any commercial products that allow this configuration
[14:09] <Raju> If i am using Windows 2003 or 2008 as my maindomain server and all the desktop computers as Lubuntu
[14:11] <Raju> my uservers are all in the windows servers. For them i am planning to provide desktop. so they have to first get login to the win server and try to get access with Lubuntu desktop
[14:11] <Raju> is it possible or i need to write a code to communicate to windows server
[14:12] <holstein> Raju: nothing about ubuntu or linux is preventing that communication.. fire it up live and see how it works
[14:12] <Raju> ok thats great
[14:13] <Raju> let me try frist with one computer and if it works well and i can go for other vertions
[14:13] <Raju> Thank you very much my friends.
[14:13] <Raju> For your support and information.
[14:14] <holstein> turnkey linux provides live server versions of ubuntu server.. highly customized
[14:14] <holstein> and, not officially supported by ubuntu,.. http://www.turnkeylinux.org/ ..but handy for testing
[14:14] <holstein> other than that, try the official server channel, or mailing list
[14:15] <Raju> so i can practise with this server
[15:49] <chente> huwwo everyone
[17:12] <trasher> abiword keeps flickering
[17:14] <trasher> London?
[17:16] <holstein> trasher: what would i do? elaborate about what "flickering" means.. try as a different user.. upgrade or downgrade and test abiword..
[17:17] <trasher> holstein, i tried. flickering of the line when i am typing in abiword 2.8.6, in 2.9.2 on every new line the word processor goes upward to the beginning of the document
[17:19] <trasher> upgraded , downgraded, googled and googled.
[17:19] <trasher> upgraded the distro too. 13.04.
[17:22] <holstein> trasher: i know what i would do.. i would use libreoffice, since that is what i use and prefer personally... and its arguably better supported
[17:22] <holstein> trasher: same issue as a different user then?
[17:22] <trasher> hmm
[17:23] <trasher> i have openoffice and libreoffice too
[17:23] <holstein> libreoffice is the modern "fork" of openoffice.. you can consider openoffice "EOL"
[17:24] <trasher> i dont like libreoffice
[17:24] <holstein> trasher: yeah? it seems *just* like openoffice to me.. accept more polished, and supported
[17:24] <holstein> but, to each his own.. so, the same issues with abiword as a different user trasher ?
[17:25] <trasher> it isi a copy
[17:25] <trasher> yes, same issues with abiword
[17:25] <holstein> trasher: its the modern fork.. its the *same* team.. its not a copy actually.. you can consider openoffice EOL, and libreoffice the continued version
[17:26] <trasher> it is still supported
[17:26] <holstein> trasher: start abiword from the terminal, and see if there is helpful error output
[17:26] <trasher> yes
[17:26] <trasher> i get errot
[17:26] <holstein> trasher: you can consider openoffice EOL.. libreoffice is where the current version is.. you can take that on at anytime you like
[17:26] <holstein> trasher: im not stating opinion.. this is fact..
[17:27] <holstein> trasher: you dont have to like, or use. or like to use libreoffice... its just the latest version of openoffice
[17:27] <trasher> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5645318/
[17:28] <holstein> trasher: what grahpics card/driver ?
[17:28] <trasher> intel
[17:28] <trasher> hd integrated
[17:28] <holstein> that shouldnt be the issue then..
[17:29] <trasher> yea
[17:32] <holstein> nothing about abiword would make me waste too much time "Fixing" it.. but i would try and report it upstream
[17:32] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1591720
[17:33] <trasher> ya
[17:33] <trasher> seen that
[17:33] <trasher> abiword is quite cool imo, it sjust that they really maintain it as much. what a shame
[17:33] <holstein> trasher: its great.. and it seems dead
[17:34] <holstein> unfortunately
[17:34] <trasher> yes
[17:34] <trasher> i like kate too. its better, but cant import images
[17:35] <holstein> libre/open supports all of that well
[17:35] <trasher> hm
[17:36] <trasher> i tried MS Office 2007 Word, but the blinking cursor drove me nuts
[17:38] <holstein> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100518101224AACpXsv
[17:38] <holstein> ^^ not that i have peronally tried that "fix"
[17:39] <trasher> thanks, but i use wine :D
[17:39] <holstein> trasher: looks like that is an "in application" "fix"
[17:39] <trasher> spent whole night trying to figure out a replacement for abiword, since it was not suitable for doing assigment documents
[17:39] <holstein> yeah?
[17:40] <holstein> libreoffice is what we got. its well supported, and current
[17:40] <trasher> i got that
[17:40] <trasher> i just dont get the same feeling as with abiword, i guess will keep on goolging for solutions
[17:40] <holstein> good luck
[17:41] <holstein> as the abiword team, assuming there is still one
[17:41] <holstein> ask*
[17:41] <trasher> hope so, thanks
[17:41] <holstein> fork it, and do what you want with it.. it'll get more and more broken as GTK progresses
[17:41] <trasher> fork it how??
[17:41] <holstein> trasher: its all open.. take the code and do what you want with it
[17:42] <holstein> trasher-word
[17:42] <trasher> i dont know programming
[17:42] <holstein> fork it, and hire a team to maintain it
[17:42] <holstein> i dont either... thats why i use libreoffice
[17:42] <holstein> but, with FOSS, the answer is always "yes".. it just might be more hassle than its worth
[17:43] <trasher> hm
[17:46] <yo_mama> will there be a LXLE based on Lubuntu 13.04 ?
[17:46] <wxl> yo_mama: that's a question for lxle
[17:47] <wxl> yo_mama: irc://irc.ubuntu.com:8001/lxle?
[17:47] <wxl> yo_mama: but chances are, no since lxle's deal is it's based on lts and 13.04 ain't lts
[17:47] <trasher> how many months is lts support?
[17:48] <wxl> !lts
[17:48] <yo_mama> wow ubuntu has it's own ircnetwork!
[17:48] <holstein> lubuntu has not official LTS
[17:48] <wxl> yo_mama: of course :)
[17:48] <wxl> holstein is correct though that's changing soon
[17:48] <yo_mama> I head no idea
[17:48] <wxl> yo_mama: it *IS* canonical, after all
[17:49] <trasher> wow
[17:50] <yo_mama> wxl: irc.ubuntu.com leads to freenode :/
[17:50] <wxl> yo_mama: and your point is? XD
[17:51] <yo_mama> wxl: my point is that ubuntu does NOT have it's own ircnetwork
[17:51] <wxl> yo_mama: or do they own freenode?
[17:51] <holstein> yo_mama: freenode *is* connonicals supported AFAIK
[17:52] <yo_mama> nope
[17:52] <wxl> http://askubuntu.com/questions/123988/what-is-irc-ubuntu-com-used-for
[17:53] <yo_mama> I like Freenode. It's feels very professional.
[17:55] <yo_mama> EFnet is a disaster managed by crazy people
[17:55] <Myrtti> thanks
[17:56] <wxl> hahahah
[17:56] <Myrtti> :-)
[17:56] <wxl> efnet is nuts, i kind of like it
[17:56] <wxl> oftc is nice and in between
[17:56] <wxl> btw we should probably move to offtopic
[18:35] <csc`> hyperair, well that was hardly painless...
[18:35] <csc`> got some lovely new issues because of the raring packages stuffed onto the iso, and eventually it would seem I managed to get a bootable semi-working system out of it
[18:36] <csc`> but now i've got a few 'critical' issues to fix
[18:37] <csc`> the installation did not install any type of software source management tool, and it would seem the updater thinks xz-utils or such should be held, I'm not familiar with Debian enough to know where it holds blacklist configuration
[18:49] <silidan> hi, id like to allow a guest account on my system where ppl can use openvpn to connect to vpn server, with their own vpnusername/vpnpasswords how would i do this? (currently it needs root rights to start openvpn, i dont want to give guest account root rights)
[18:50] <silidan> my openvpn is configured so it works as intended when called with root rights (sudo), but i cant use  it without root rights atm...
[19:03] <csc`> this is very annoying.
[19:32] <csc`> nice. Didn't even ask to update to 13.04 but seemingly there anyway
[19:36] <csc`> wonder how that came about happening...


[15:34] <blackboxsw> sru-create.py -b 1759406 --bugs 1420018
[15:34] <ubot5`> bug 1420018 in cloud-init "docs: user-groups uses - instead of _" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1420018
[15:45]  * blackboxsw forgot the    -d 03/29/2018 -v 18.2.4 on that command
[17:05] <blackboxsw> rharper: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/2
[17:27] <rharper> k
[18:12] <rharper> blackboxsw: https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/3
[18:23] <rharper> blackboxsw: do you want me to mark those done in the trello checklist ?
[18:30] <blackboxsw> rharper: you can ~~ ~~ on the hackmd file to mark the line item done. We mark it done in the SRU trello card when we've run the specific test and captured output within [18:30] <rharper> ok
[19:04] <blackboxsw> rharper: ec2 -proposed on artful and xenial has our SRU'd cloud-init. we can start manual testing there, gce and azure looks like
[19:04] <blackboxsw> I'm back from lunch and can start wherever
[19:04] <rharper> k
[19:04] <blackboxsw> if you are working on cloud_tests that's more valuable probably (from a reuse perspective)
[19:05] <blackboxsw> initial check on ec2 upgrade path, clean boot looks fine
[19:05] <rharper> sure, sounds like you've got a groove there
[19:05] <blackboxsw> so I'm not worried about initial regression potential and putting up a new upload today... but I wanted to get through openstack test today if I could too
[19:06] <blackboxsw> that and vsphere check for the init-local hostname set
[19:07] <rharper> y
[19:09] <blackboxsw> I think I'll add a manual vsphere test script to this SRU just because we've altered things to specifically fix ubuntu/juju k8s solution
[19:28] <blackboxsw> minor manual changes https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/4
[19:29] <blackboxsw> next PR will be the SRU verification results
[21:10] <blackboxsw> sru results ec2 and azure, + a bump in sru-templates for next time https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/pull/5


[00:01] <ev> as it turns out, the kde frontend doesn't really do recursive main loops.  Bah.
[01:47] <CIA-71> ubiquity: jriddell * r4224 trunk/ubiquity/plugins/ (ubi-language.py ubi-prepare.py): Add network check to KDE ubi-language for release notes label
[01:48] <Riddell> ev: I'm not convinced at that ^^ it hides the release notes widget if no update is available, doesn't it want to show it if release notes are available?
[01:49] <ev> Riddell: if memory serves, this was the condition handed down by sabdfl, but yeah, it makes sense to show the release notes URL if a network connection is available.
[01:53] <Riddell> ok, fixing
[01:58] <ev> cool, thanks
[02:02] <superm1> ev, is the intention of that prepare widget to really check for ethernet (and it's just checking for internet access at this point), or is it misworded right now?
[02:03] <ev> it's checking for Internet, but michaelforrest wanted to suggest to users that they use an ethernet connection
[02:03] <ev> I'm cool with us changing the text to Internet connection
[02:34] <superm1> cool, i think that's probably a good idea then
[02:34] <CIA-71> ubiquity: jriddell * r4225 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-language.py):
[02:34] <CIA-71> ubiquity: In ubi-language.py check if release notes can be accessed as well as checking
[02:34] <CIA-71> ubiquity: for upgrade available and show correct label as appropriate
[02:36] <Riddell> ev: dare I ask how the KDE frontend controlling is going?
[02:37] <ev> Riddell: got it getting to the slideshow and mostly handling the parallel stuff (building on your work), just need to fix some progress bar stuff and a race condition
[02:39] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4226 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[02:39] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Don't use "Ethernet" when indicating a user is connected to the network.
[02:39] <CIA-71> ubiquity: (LP: #615104, #615035)
[02:39] <Riddell> great
[02:39]  * Riddell snoozes
[02:40] <ev> Riddell: goodnight
[02:40] <ev> superm1: thanks!
[02:41] <superm1> sure np
[02:52] <superm1> ev, have you and michaelforest discussed transitions between pages at all?
[02:52] <ev> I brought it up, but I think he wanted to largely leave it alone for now
[02:52] <ev> GTK unfortunately makes life quite difficult here
[02:54] <superm1> dang. my primary concern is that now that so much is going on at once, some of these pages take a noticeably longer time to load, and if widgets are still left sensistive, there isn't an indiciation that it's chugging along necessarily
[02:55] <superm1> setting the whole notebook page unsensitive while switching pages doesn't seem too difficult, but might not give a very pretty effect
[02:56] <ev> yeah, that might be the best option though
[02:56] <ev> we already make the navigation buttons insensitive
[02:57] <superm1> what you think about doing that for beta and seeing what people's reception is on it then?
[02:59] <ev> hrm, actualy
[02:59] <ev> actually*
[02:59] <ev> don't we already switch to a spinning cursor?
[03:00] <superm1> yeah it looks like it actually
[03:00] <superm1> so maybe that's sufficient on it's own
[03:04] <ev> I think so
[03:04] <ev> it'll be quite clear that they're waiting if they can't interact with anything, due to the spinning cursor
[03:05] <superm1> well not necessarily can't, but shouldn't :)
[03:06] <ev> I thought the spinning cursor blocks click events, no?
[03:07] <superm1> doesn't seem like it to me
[03:07] <superm1> otherwise you wouldn't be able to expand that expander you put on the bottom
[03:08] <ev> ah
[03:09] <ev> yay, race condition fixed
[03:15] <ev> superm1: I cannot recall what the UI looks like here, but my thought was that we use the full spinning cursor (not the arrow plus spinner) and make the UI insensitive to input without greying everything out.
[03:16] <superm1> that sounds like the most ideal scenario
[03:16] <superm1> is that just removing the notebook page from the focus chain?
[03:17] <ev> not sure
[03:41] <superm1> ev, it seems just changing the focus of the page itself doesn't do it, probably have to do it to all widgets in the chain.  here's what sensitivity looks like: http://people.ubuntu.com/~superm1/sensitive.ogv
[03:46] <ev> ah, that is a bit scary
[03:46] <ev> incidentally, what did you create that screencast with?
[03:47] <ev> I've been struggling to find good tools
[03:47] <superm1> gtk-recordmydesktop
[03:47] <superm1> lets you just pick an area of the screen to do it from
[03:47] <ev> cool, thanks
[03:47] <superm1> it's a huge CPU hog though if you do too big an area or try to narrate with sound
[03:48] <ev> ah, yikes
[03:48] <superm1> you use KVM though don't you?  I thought it spit out VNC, which you can probably do pyvnc2swf
[03:49] <superm1> i'm a virtualbox person myself, so it only spits out RDP
[03:50] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4227 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[03:50] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Make sure finished_label reflects the derivative name rather than
[03:50] <CIA-71> ubiquity: hardcoding to "Ubuntu".
[03:50] <ev> indeed I do, I'll have to give both approaches a try
[04:02] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4228 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[04:02] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Set the buttons on the second autopartitioning screen appropriately
[04:02] <CIA-71> ubiquity: to the choices on the first.
[06:08] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4229 trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):
[06:08] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Add parallel operation support to the KDE frontend, with help from
[06:08] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Jonathan Riddell.
[06:08] <ev> right, bed.  I'll be back up in a few hours to finish the missing hostname (you convinced me, I'm adding it back), grub, and proxy options, as well as fix the UI nits (missing size and icon) on the automatic partitioner.
[06:08] <ev> I'm tempted to put the advanced button back on the partitioning pages, to the left of quit, back, next, instead of the original plan of putting the grub box on the manual partitioner page, with its setting remaining even on going back to the automatic partitioning page.  Opinions definitely welcome on that one.
[07:02] <CIA-71> ubiquity: superm1 * r4230 ubiquity/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py: hide the two extra text labels in auto partitioner mode if use entire disk was chosen
[08:55] <Riddell> gosh ev, you're my hero
[09:13]  * ogra hugs ev
[17:52] <ev> Riddell: do you want a feature freeze exception bug for this ubiquity KDE stuff, or am I okay to upload as-is?
[18:35] <ScottK> Riddell asked sheytan to test the ubiquity updates for Kubuntu that ev worked on last night.  After clicking on "Try Kubuntu" he gets a black screen after ksplashx.  Would someone be able to help us troubleshoot it (we need the Ubiquity fixes for Beta since Kubuntu is uninstallable at the moment)
[18:36] <superm1> ScottK, at that point is ubiquity even running though?
[18:36] <superm1> i thought clicking the try *ubuntu will request ubiquity to  close, and let the kdm upstart script take over
[18:36] <superm1> so I would believe the bug is further into your stack
[18:36] <ogra> ScottK, welcome to the club :)
[18:37] <ScottK> superm1: The odd thing is that an existing system fully up to date boots.
[18:37]  * ogra also awaits the ubiquity upload eagerly for armel
[18:37] <superm1> ScottK, if you boot directly into live mode does that happen (eg press a key at splash and pick live session)
[18:38] <ScottK> sheytan: ^^^
[18:39] <sheytan> Hey guys, i'm sorry for trouble. I think the that happen cause i made 64bit machine and tryied to run a 32 kubuntu
[18:39] <sheytan> now it works fine :)
[18:39] <sheytan> ScottK ^\
[18:40] <ScottK> sheytan: OK.  That's really great news.
[18:40] <sheytan> Yep ;D
[18:40] <sheytan> ScottK now ill install the packages from Riddell
[18:40] <ScottK> superm1: Thanks for helping.
[18:40] <superm1> cool, sounds good
[19:44] <ev> ScottK: so am I safe to upload?
[19:44] <ScottK> ev: Not sure.  Having some other problems.  I'd say it's unlikely to be worse at this point.
[19:44] <ev> that was my thinking as well
[19:44] <ScottK> (since it doesn't install at all at the moment)
[19:45] <ev> cool, I'll upload then
[19:45] <ogra> go go go
[19:45] <ev> :)
[19:46] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4231 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[19:46] <CIA-71> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: debian-installer-utils
[19:46] <CIA-71> ubiquity: 1.79ubuntu1, flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu8, partman-auto 91ubuntu4,
[19:46] <CIA-71> ubiquity: partman-uboot 4, user-setup 1.28ubuntu8.
[19:46] <superm1> ev, i'm a little confused by this "entire partition" button.  what exactly is it supposed to  be doing?
[19:46] <ev> superm1: it uses the entirety of the partition that's selected for resize, rather than resizing it
[19:47] <superm1> so if someone starts out at entire disk, then ideally entire partition should actually be greyed out then
[19:47] <superm1> and only shown as available if they choose "split partition" or start out in resize mode
[19:49] <ev> yeah, it should match 3.2.3 in the design spec
[19:50] <ev> and indeed
[19:50] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4232 trunk/debian/real-po/ (78 files): debconf-updatepo
[20:01] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4233 trunk/ (155 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[20:07] <ScottK> ev: Once Ubiquity binaries are in the archive, would you poke someone to respin Kubuntu so I can get someone testing?
[20:32] <cyphermox> is there a way to memory dumps or something from grub? I'm getting into an issue where only in the case of PXE booting to the hard drive (e.g. localboot 0, 0x80, etc.) the system hangs somewhere at grub before getting to load the kernel
[20:50] <ev> ScottK: sure thing
[20:50] <ScottK> ev: Thanks.
[20:50] <ev> and actually, I'll just respin them myself
[20:51] <ev> as I'd like to do ubuntu as well
[20:54] <ScottK> ev: Even better. I'll be offline this evening, so if you could poke someone in #kubuntu-devel to get them a test when they're done, I'd appreciate it.
[20:55] <ev> will do!
[20:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:49] <Riddell> ev: FFe approved
[22:00] <ev> thanks!
[22:01] <Riddell> ev: so I got a crash when I installed the debs I build locally on my virtual machine
[22:01] <ev> Riddell: you've accepted it in the queue?
[22:01] <ev> Riddell: can you pastebin your logs?
[22:01] <Riddell> not yet
[22:02] <Riddell> the very unhelpful http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/p2u1009J
[22:03] <Riddell> so I wonder if it's just because of my local build being funny
[22:05] <Riddell> ev: I take it you've run it without crashes at startup
[22:06] <ev> Riddell: yes, but I've run it via some special bootstrapping over NFS
[22:06] <ev> I can't see how it would be any different, but I'll build a package now and give it a go
[22:06] <Riddell> you haven't changed any of the startup bits
[22:07] <ev> correct
[22:07] <Riddell> shrug, I'm just going to accept it and we'll see what happens
[22:07] <Riddell> I'm away until monday afternoon though, hopefully others can test
[22:09] <ev> I'll be around tomorrow, so I can fix anything that arises (hopefully)
[22:09] <CIA-71> ubiquity: evand * r4234 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.3.8


[12:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: new PPA for catfish with stable, unstable, and daily builds: https://code.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: planning on doing similar for the other individual apps we have
[12:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: still looking into https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=811324, but based on what I've seen so far, pybuild with python3.5 is running unittests that do not exist, and dies
[12:28] <bluesabre> PPA solution: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+junk/catfish-daily-debian/revision/3
[12:29] <bluesabre> (probably not a reasonable official solution) :D
[13:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: cheers - I did see your comments the other day about this
[13:11] <flocculant> which one would you want *me* to use, which one *testers generally* ?
[18:55] <pleia2> knome: did we ever find a way around the brokenness of resizing images in xubuntu.org interface, or should I just upload _sm files too again?
[18:58] <pleia2> anyway, another "xubuntu at" draft is up sans pictures
[19:05] <slickymaster> Unit193, not quite sure I'll be able to attend the meeting
[19:05] <Unit193> OK.
[19:08] <pleia2> I'll finally get to attend \o/
[19:10] <Unit193> pleia2: Bummer it'll be the one I chair. :P
[19:10] <pleia2> you'll do fine
[20:40] <Unit193> [20:51] <flocculant> not going to be here ... or at least not beginning :)
[20:52] <Unit193> That's OK, I have no idea about most of the topics anyway.
[21:00] <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[21:00] <Unit193> #chair ochosi knome
[21:00] <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 19 21:00:00 2016 UTC.  The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi
[21:00] <Unit193> So anyone else here or can I do a veeeery short one?
[21:00] <krytarik> I'm here.
[21:02] <pleia2> o/
[21:02] <Unit193> Nice.
[21:02] <Unit193> #topic Open action items
[21:02] <Unit193> (I know of none.)
[21:03] <Unit193> #topic Updates and Announcements
[21:03] <Unit193> Anyone have anything to announce?
[21:04] <pleia2> nope
[21:04] <Unit193> Looks like Numix will work out, just have to compile the SASS, and that's already in the PPA now.
[21:04] <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
[21:04] <Unit193> #subtopic Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest?
[21:05] <Unit193> I believe bluesabre is setting up a submission form, but apart from that..
[21:05] <pleia2> knome said he'd announce it, and we'll share on the social medias
[21:06] <pleia2> I think
[21:06] <pleia2> or maybe that was just to find volunteers :)
[21:06] <Unit193> Alright, I missed that part too.
[21:07] <Unit193> So moving on.
[21:07] <Unit193> #subtopic Ubuntu Software Center will be replaced by Gnome Software in Xenial
[21:07] <Unit193> Where do we stand on this? (There are not too many alternatives apart from Synaptic or CLI)
[21:08] <Unit193> It seems very basic, and last I knew it didn't exactly find new applications well, if at all.
[21:08] <Unit193> (it'll get there, but still very basic.)
[21:09] <pleia2> I don't know anything about this
[21:09] <Unit193> Anyone have any comments, remarks, or test results from trying it out?  There's a test PPA for it.
[21:10] <Unit193> Ubuntu isn't going to be using USC, GNOME Software seems to be what they're going for (it works on appstream files, integration work is ongoing in Debian and either just started or getting ready to start in Ubuntu.)
[21:11]  * pleia2 nods
[21:12] <Unit193> Alright, so if there's nothing else on that one either...
[21:12] <Unit193> #subtopic Alpha 2 participation
[21:13] <Unit193> I, as always, defer to flocculant on that one.  If it gets more testing, that's great, and maybe a couple more RC releases would be useful since it's an LTS.
[21:15] <pleia2> for reference, a2 lands on January 28th
[21:15] <pleia2> only 10 days away
[21:15] <ochosi> hi
[21:15] <ochosi> sorry for being late
[21:16] <ochosi> Unit193: since there aren't so many ppl around, mind if i quickly add a comment to gnome software?
[21:16] <Unit193> I don't think I've noticed anything horrible in it now.
[21:16] <Unit193> ochosi: Suuuure.
[21:17] <ochosi> alright, so just very quickly: my stance is that we should definitely check it out, but in the end i'd go with following ubuntu's lead
[21:17] <ochosi> even if it seems terrible in the alpha stage that it is in now
[21:18] <ochosi> if USC isn't maintained anymore, that's fairly bad for LTS
[21:18] <ochosi> even though i don't really know how much they fixed/improved since they first released USC, having not-anymore-maintained software in LTS is sort of a no-no to me
[21:19] <Unit193> Right, not really an option there, unless everyone else would be fine going with Synaptic.
[21:19] <pleia2> heh
[21:19] <ochosi> i presume that if gnome software is still horrible in beta even ubuntu might go back to USC for LTS and switch in 16.10
[21:19] <ochosi> hehe, well synaptic is still the same as it ever was
[21:19] <Unit193> GTK3 at least.
[21:20] <ochosi> i'd rather not change to something completely different for LTS
[21:20] <Unit193> Well either way, it's going to be a big change.
[21:20] <ochosi> after 16.04, i'd be fine with exploring our options and just seeing how our (vocal) user-base reacts to such a change
[21:20] <ochosi> yeah, or not. depends on what ubuntu ends up doing
[21:20] <ochosi> ok, so that was it from my side
[21:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Anything on alpha release?
[21:22] <slickymaster> o/
[21:22] <slickymaster> still made it
[21:22] <ochosi> in terms of alpha, i'm not sure, yeah more testing is good
[21:22] <slickymaster> at least part of it
[21:22] <ochosi> then again bluesabre said that not so much has changed since 15.10
[21:23] <Unit193> Frontend or backend?
[21:23] <ochosi> i for one likely wouldn't be around to do the effort of actually releasing the alpha, so i'd leave the final decision to bluesabre and flocculant
[21:24] <Unit193> Sounds good to me.
[21:24] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume frontend, but i've only done rudimentary xenial testing so far
[21:24] <ochosi> not even a hardware install
[21:24] <ochosi> and in vbox you don't notice many things
[21:24] <slickymaster> yeah, the tests I've done in VBox all went smoothly
[21:25] <ochosi> so yeah, i haven't really heard many arguments in favor of doing an alpha (apart from potentially more testing/feedback)
[21:25] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah we'll just defer to them then.
[21:25] <ochosi> cool
[21:25] <Unit193> #subtopic QA IRC package testing session
[21:25] <Unit193> slickymaster: ↑
[21:25] <ochosi> Unit193: feel free to give them an action item or something btw
[21:25] <slickymaster> as far as I know flocculant is on top of that
[21:26] <slickymaster> whether that session will occur will depend on the number of interested
[21:27] <slickymaster> it's schedule to the 31st
[21:27] <Unit193> Alright, so anything we're supposed to do for the subtopic?
[21:28] <slickymaster> I guess nothing much
[21:28] <Unit193> #subtopic Themes
[21:28] <Unit193> ochosi: ↑?
[21:29] <ochosi> well i'm still trying to iron out some minor issues with Greybird, but the good news is that it works okayish with the last commits from git
[21:29] <ochosi> Numix is currently unmaintained and will likely remain as is for the rest of the dev cycle
[21:29] <ochosi> so we
[21:29] <Unit193> GTK3.16 problems?
[21:29] <ochosi> 'll have to evaluate how well the SASS branch works
[21:29] <ochosi> gtk3.18 in xenial
[21:30] <ochosi> and then decide whether we want to include it as is
[21:30] <ochosi> i think bluesabre already did some packaging, so shimmer daily PPA should be the way to go
[21:30] <Unit193> As I noted above, yeah.
[21:30] <ochosi> #info All xenial testers that experience theme issues shall use the shimmer daily PPA to get the latest versions of our themes, Numix and Greybird
[21:31] <Unit193> Want to note anything about pidgin?
[21:31] <ochosi> another piece of info is that i worked on a pidgin status icon theme, it's practically finished but pidgin seemingly doesn't support system-wide themes
[21:31] <ochosi> so we might have to patch that support in
[21:32] <ochosi> (yeah, was going to mention that anyway ;))
[21:32] <Unit193> :D
[21:32] <Unit193> Well I knew something, so had to say it.
[21:32] <ochosi> i'm not a huge fan of just overwriting the default theme, which is what most theme installers i found on the interwebs suggest you do
[21:32] <ochosi> (or put it in every users home dir, which is also not kewl)
[21:32] <Unit193> Yeah that's not going to fly for packaging.
[21:32] <Unit193> Either one.
[21:33] <ochosi> also, still some issues around our libreoffice icons, i'm not really sure of the status upstream
[21:33] <ochosi> and whether the icon theme has been included somehow
[21:33] <ochosi> and whether we can set it as default now
[21:33] <ochosi> bluesabre will hopefully be on top of that one too
[21:34] <Unit193> Sounds fun, we'll assign that to bluesabre too.
[21:34] <Unit193> Anyone have anything for the next subtopic?  Or can we skip it?
[21:34] <ochosi> added a workitem for xubuntu-dev
[21:34] <ochosi> well, you..?
[21:35] <Unit193> No.
[21:35]  * ochosi doesn't know anything about the status of -core anymore
[21:35] <slickymaster> I have been testing Unit193's images
[21:35] <Unit193> #subtopic Core image
[21:35] <slickymaster> both 32 and 64 bits
[21:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Sure you do, same as it's always been "pending on merge"
[21:36] <ochosi> Unit193: oh meh, still.. i had hoped knome had done more poking meanwhile
[21:36] <Unit193> ochosi: There's some disagreement on how they should show up on cdimage, infinity seems to understand quite well while xnox and maybe slang don't get it.
[21:36] <ochosi> :/
[21:36] <Unit193> ochosi: The MP has a comment or two new, and there's a bit of log to read from -devel, but yeah there's otherwise nothing new.
[21:36] <Unit193> slickymaster: Anything broken? :P
[21:37] <slickymaster> nothing so far
[21:37] <slickymaster> I'd had tell you if it wre
[21:37] <slickymaster> * were
[21:37] <Unit193> Great, well thanks then.
[21:38] <slickymaster> besides the fact that -core size is growing
[21:38] <ochosi> what size is it now?
[21:38] <slickymaster> ~aroun 600 MB
[21:38] <slickymaster> +d
[21:39] <slickymaster> correction, around 700 MB
[21:39] <Unit193> Not a whole lot I can do while sticking with how cdimage would build them.  Ubuntu as a whole is getting a bit bloated under the hood, or more so.  Could do diffs on the manifests though I suppose.
[21:40] <slickymaster> yeah, that's true
[21:40] <ochosi> hmm, still sounds acceptable
[21:40] <Unit193> "acceptable"
[21:41] <Unit193> Anything else?
[21:41] <slickymaster> nothing from me
[21:41] <Unit193> #topic Announcements
[21:42] <pleia2> we have a new Xubuntu At... article pending
[21:42] <pleia2> hopefully getting it up this week
[21:42] <pleia2> that's all I've got
[21:43] <Unit193> There's some dates coming up, A2 and then FF end of Feb.
[21:44] <Unit193> #action slickymaster to schedule next meeting.
[21:44] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to schedule next meeting.
[21:44] <Unit193> #endmeeting
[21:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 21:44:35 2016 UTC.
[21:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-01-19-21.00.moin.txt
[21:44] <ochosi> pleia2: great, looking forward to that!
[21:44] <ochosi> thanks for the meeting Unit193
[21:45] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193
[21:45] <Unit193> Thanks for showing up.
[21:45] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[21:45] <pleia2> thanks Unit193
[21:51]  * flocculant managed to read backlog
[21:51] <flocculant> thanks Unit193
[21:51] <Unit193> flocculant: Sorry about your topics.
[21:51] <Unit193> flocculant: Wiki finally let me in though!
[21:52] <flocculant> no problem
[21:52] <flocculant> irc session will happen on 31st - just time to decide on tomorrow
[22:54] <ochosi> any pidgin users here?
[22:58] <ochosi> if there are and they show up later, here's a link in case you wanna test something: https://github.com/shimmerproject/pidgin-elementary
[23:03] <ochosi> night everyone!
[23:06] <Unit193> Yes, Knight everyone!
[23:13] <bluesabre> evening everyone!
[23:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: We defaulted to assigning things to you.
[23:13] <bluesabre> so I see
[23:13] <bluesabre> I'll be working hard these next few weeks, woo!


[14:31] <ESphynx> hi guys, how do we resume a suspended import?
[14:32] <ESphynx> ah, just had to login to see try again :P
[14:58] <ESphynx> how do I change the git source for a branch ?
[15:16] <ESphynx> how do I specify a particular branch for a recipe?
[15:26] <ESphynx> figured that out thanks :P


[13:06] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, thanks for helping rangerpb
[13:06] <rangerpb> yeah
[13:06] <rangerpb> i have some followups to smooth out with him, but implementing his comments right now
[23:26] <dbuechler__> smoser: I have that pastebin you asked for. Sorry about the delay. I had another fire to put out yesterday.
[23:26] <dbuechler__> http://pastebin.com/cij4M18Q
[23:27] <dbuechler__> cloud-init.log was empty.  Pastebin contains cloud-init-output.log and cloud.cfg as requested.  There wasn't anything overly sensitive in there, so I didn't feel the need to redact.


[01:17] <cjohnston> itnet7: ping
[02:19] <cprofitt> nigelb: ping
[02:19] <cprofitt> cjohnston: ping
[02:19] <cjohnston> sir
[02:19] <cprofitt> I contacted Richard Weait of OSM tonight
[02:19] <cprofitt> and sent a message to brian about the map script from LP
[02:19] <cjohnston> sweet
[02:20] <cjohnston> mark em in progress
[02:20] <cjohnston> :-)
[02:20] <cprofitt> who would be best to have a OSM person contact?
[02:20] <cjohnston> mhall119: you willing?
[02:21] <cjohnston> i dont know anything about maps at all
[02:22] <mhall119> willing to what?
[02:23] <cjohnston> be a point of contact for OSM
[02:23] <mhall119> I thought cprofitt was going to be out contact
[02:23] <cjohnston> i dunno
[02:23] <cjohnston> ask him
[02:23] <mhall119> cprofitt: can you be out point of contact for OSM?
[02:24] <cjohnston> cprofitt: we have some bitesized bugs when your ready to jump in head first too
[02:24] <cprofitt> I am contacting OSM, but if they want to talk to a developer I might want to point them at a person with better working knowledge of the code base
[02:24] <cjohnston> cprofitt: #ubuntu-website
[03:01] <mhall119> cprofitt: if you need a contact, send them my way
[03:01] <cprofitt> mhall119: sounds good... I just know I do not know the code well yet
[03:02] <mhall119> well, cjohnston keeps renaming stuff and I may not either
[03:02] <nigelb> ZING
[03:15] <cjohnston> thats ok.. nigelb goesnt know how to write commit messages
[03:15] <nigelb> cjohnston: :D
[03:21] <mhall119> lol
[06:38] <Darkwing> cjohnston: You still up by any off chance?
[06:41] <nigelb> Darkwing: he went to bed a while back.
[06:42] <Darkwing> nigelb: I figured as much. I was hoping for a bit of insomnia. :)
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:07] <jasonjang> aloha~ czajkowski & all
[11:28] <locodir-user> hola
[11:28] <locodir-user> hay alguien por aqui???
[16:43] <paultag> So.. Who wants to contribute to Fluxbox? -- http://people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/fluxbox/fluxbox-deps.png <- Internal Deps
[16:43] <paultag> hello, 10 year old project :)
[17:05] <mhall119> hey paultag, I was wondering, what UI toolkit does fluxbox use?
[17:34] <paultag> mhall119: its a window manager, not a de :)
[17:35] <paultag> mhall119: no uitk needed
[17:40] <mhall119> paultag: it has window decorators, they've gotta be drawn by something
[17:40] <mhall119> even if it's just Xlib
[17:50] <paultag> mhall119: I understand how it works :)
[17:50] <paultag> mhall119: and yeah, xlib
[17:50] <paultag> but Xlib is hardly a UI toolkit ;)
[17:52] <paultag> We have FbTk, but that's not really a UI Toolkit
[17:52] <paultag> has some stuff, but not a lot
[18:10] <mhall119> close enough  to answer my question ;)
[18:12] <paultag> mhall119: :)
[18:13] <paultag> ok, who wants to make me happy
[18:14] <paultag> could someone write a c++ parser? kthx
[18:31] <mhall119> yacc
[19:30] <paultag> mhall119: no wai :)
[19:30] <paultag> I'm not writing it, man
[19:31] <paultag> the syntax rules are so crazy complex


[10:25] <darkmatter> hallo coz_
[10:25] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[10:25] <darkmatter> http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/4194566636/ :O!
[10:26] <coz_> darkmatter,  nice :)
[10:26] <darkmatter> I lowered the saturation on the treeview rows since then. I totally forgot to check how they looked in notebooks >_>
[10:28] <coz_> darkmatter,  the saturation effects the appearanc in notebooks??
[10:29] <darkmatter> coz_: yeah. because the notebookes are lighter than the bg (shaded at 1.12 i think). it makes the lists look way to colorful.  I am not usually attracted to a neutral gray  but this is nice
[10:33] <darkmatter> shame though. I really liked the green, but I dun feel like redoing the notebooks just to make it work
[10:34] <coz_> darkmatter,  ooo   is that green?
[10:34] <darkmatter> coz_: the entire theme is green, just uber desaturated :P
[10:34] <darkmatter> even the black is green xD
[10:35] <coz_> darkmatter,  oh ok...mmm I must not be able to see that subtlety
[10:35] <coz_> darkmatter,  that part I saw  but the lighter areas looked somewhat neutral to me  so  ...duh :)
[10:35] <darkmatter> coz_: saturation from 2-4 depending. so yeah. its not easily noticable. it just makes a grey thats very warm instead of cool/cold
[10:36] <coz_> darkmatter,  yeah ... sorry   ... I  just didnt pick that up
[10:39] <darkmatter> coz_: the theme is 'half' mine. it's an extensive mod of Sonar (openSUSE's default gnome theme) with some color tweaks and heavy gtk reworking. next is gradient menubars. a refined metacity, and pixmaped scrollbars (recolorable trough. fancy sliders with a 'glow' on the edge... it's a suse thing)
[10:40] <darkmatter> coz_: because a reoccuring suse styling cue has been a slight glassy shimmer on the edge of darkness. I thought I'd expand on it as a subtle motif throughout the theme
[10:40] <coz_> nice
[10:41] <coz_> damn my  battery backup is beeping rapidly ???   wtf?
[10:41] <darkmatter> coz_: you can see it on the metacity as is, but the metacity lacks definition. a darker continuation of the shine/shimmer should frame it completely (you can'yt see the edge of the windows on dark backgrounds)


[00:54] <dojordan> I am getting ImportError: No module named ec2 . Any suggestions?
[00:54] <dojordan> in: File "/home/dojordan/code/cloud-init/tests/cloud_tests/platforms/__init__.py", line 5, in <module>
[07:46] <powersj> dojordan: are you trying to run the integration tests?
[08:58] <smoser> interesting bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1753558
[08:58] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1753558 in cloud-init "NoCloud data source is mis-using the "system-serial-number" SMBIOS field, should use "OEM Strings" instead" [Medium,Confirmed]
[09:07] <do3meli> do i have to do something special to finally have a merge request with status = approved to be merged into master?
[09:10] <smoser> do3meli: smoser has to not be lazy
[09:18] <do3meli> :-) thanks ;-)
[09:19] <do3meli> comming from github and dealing the first time with launchpad is not the easiest...so good to know its not my fault ;-)
[09:27] <smoser> do3meli we don't have automated lander.
[09:28] <smoser> but even in github, the developer still has to push "yes pull"
[12:25] <dpb1> there are some good questions here if anyone wants some karma:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/cloud-init
[12:25] <dpb1> :)
[19:59] <dojordan> @smoser, got everything passing locally but now C-I is failing integration. Are there currently any known blockers?