[00:40] <tsimpson> !forget seenserv
[01:11] <blizzkid> what's the right channel to ask about ubuntu membership?
[01:12] <Pici> blizzkid: There really isn't any, but if you join #ubuntu-offtopic I'd be glad to answer some questions if I can.
[01:12] <blizzkid> ok
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic =~ s/ discussion/other discussion/
[02:36] <Pici> @login
[02:36] <Pici> !support-#ubuntu-offtopic =~ s/ discussion/other discussion/
[02:44] <Pici> s/other/LjL/
[02:45] <Pici> what a maroon
[02:45] <LjL> no u
[02:45] <Pici> That fellow that just left that oh so pleaseant away message in #u just said 'sorry' in pm
[06:58] <Flannel> Sigh.
[06:58] <Flannel> Ok op people.  I need your help!
[07:02] <Myrtti> Flannel: yes?
[07:03] <Flannel> Myrtti: I've got a LoCo member guy, plenty enthusiastic, etc.  But a bit misguided sometimes.  Tends to just run off and do stuff on his own, instead of utilizing the LoCo (asking for input, help, etc).  Some of this was in direct conflict with what we decided the LoCo would do.  (thats the end of the background).  Now he's... trolling (well, time-sink, split hairs, being difficult and stubborn).
[07:06] <elky> Flannel, anyone we might know?
[07:06] <Flannel> elky: Likely not.  Certainly not a troublemaker from #u or anything like that.
[07:07] <Flannel> I'm just... torn on what to do.  I'm sort of thinking hes being difficult because... well, I don't know why.
[07:08] <Flannel> He's somewhat new in the LoCo, but been here long enough (approx 1 year?) that he should have assimilated these things by now.  And I know he's got aspirations to create a LUG (and may have difficulties keeping the two separate).
[07:11] <elky> Flannel, what kind of things are we talking about anyway
[07:12] <Myrtti> Flannel: ask him if he knows how the other locos work and suggest he joins one you know functions well
[07:12] <Myrtti> s/joins/joins the irc channel of/
[07:12] <Flannel> Myrtti: Hah
[07:12] <Flannel> I was going to say, I'm suggesting he leave the state?
[07:13]  * Myrtti got up from bed one hour earlier than normal to clean up the place
[07:13] <Myrtti> -->
[07:13] <Flannel> elky: This particular discussion has to do with the usage of the team wiki page.  What is appropriate, what isn't, etc.
[07:14] <Flannel> elky: But, the last time I spoke with him (aboutmaking sure to keep the LoCo in the loop when planning LoCo activities, etc), was the same sort of thing.  By the end he was asking questions that really had nothing to do with what we spoke about, etc.
[07:14] <Flannel> AS if he was a) hearing only what he wanted ot hear, or b) completely had no understanding of english c) thought it was opposite day.
[07:16] <elky> it sounds like d) All of the above, but it's probably a)
[07:16] <Flannel> yeah, but that doesn't help me decide on a course of action.
[07:17] <elky> how many people are actually trying to mediate him?
[07:17] <Flannel> mediate being defined as?
[07:17] <elky> if it's just you, he's going to take it as 'only one person thinks i'm doing wrong, therefore he mus tbe the wrong one'
[07:18] <elky> Flannel, speaking with him about boundaries, etc
[07:18] <Flannel> Ah, well, right now in the channel there's three of us.  But, so far it's mainly just been me.
[07:18] <elky> so there's your problem.
[07:19] <Flannel> We were worried about assaulting him with lots ofpeople
[07:19] <elky> he thinks he's the sole doer of the group, hence disregards what you're saying
[07:19] <topyli> sounds like one of those "important" people
[07:19] <Flannel> topyli: that's exactly correct.
[07:21] <topyli> always reminds me of this "nice to be important and important to be nice" dub
[07:21] <topyli> it also always bothers me because i forget the artist
[07:21] <topyli> hah! yellowman
[07:32] <Seeker`> nalioth: please can you prod the mootbot logs
[08:22] <topyli> heh, reading a support forum for my router. it has samba support and many people naturally have usb disks hooked up. in this theread this person wonders whether to format his disk as ext3. "ext3 should be better with small files while xfs might be better with big files" and so on
[08:22] <topyli> and this is the wrong channel *goes*
[08:23] <elky> can someone else stop the thread of getting laid and 'gentlemens clubs' please
[08:23] <elky> in -ot
[08:28] <Flannel> "thread" != one message
[08:33] <topyli> on a not-so different note, sometimes i wonder whether or not it's good to have drderek around
[08:33] <Myrtti> sometimes i wonder whether or not it's good to have me around
[08:34] <Flannel> sometimes I wander around
[08:36] <Flannel> Hi Chr|s, how can we help you today?
[08:36] <Chr|s> elky: was I wrong to do an o4o trigger?
[08:36] <elky> Chr|s, nope. you felt uncomfortable, and that's the reason we have it there.
[08:36]  * Flannel notes that !guidelines would've sufficed.
[08:36] <Chr|s> it wasn't that, it was because someone mentioned a website which is not suitable to freenodes guidlines
[08:37] <Chr|s> Flannel: I will keep that in consideration
[08:37] <elky> Flannel, guidelines is also alot more to read than a factoid, and most wont. most will read the factoid.
[08:37] <Flannel> Chr|s: It's not terribly important.  As long as the message is gotten across in an appropriate manner.  You can always type stuff out too, if you don't know what factoid to use.
[08:37] <topyli> i missed it. otherwise i'd have removed him on the spot
[08:38] <Flannel> topyli: I should've pinged you then
[08:38] <Chr|s> Flannel: alright
[08:38] <Flannel> Chr|s: Typing it out means you don't have to worry about if the factoid is 100% applicable, etc.
[08:39] <Flannel> Chr|s: Mind you, you can do whatever you'd like and prefer.
[08:39] <Chr|s> Flannel: to an extent :)
[08:40] <Chr|s> Can I idle here? I wanna feel important.
[08:40] <topyli> heehe
[08:40] <topyli> no
[08:41] <Chr|s> bummer :( heh thanks
[08:41] <topyli> create #ubuntu-VIP :)
[08:41]  * popey joins
[08:41] <Chr|s> heh
[08:42] <Chr|s> I feel special now
[08:42] <Chr|s> <3
[08:42] <popey> "special"
[08:42] <topyli> hahaha
[08:42] <elky> topyli, you just suggested what?
[08:43] <Myrtti> "my mum says I drive the little bus becuz I'm speshul"
[08:43] <topyli> elky: i hope he doesn't actually do it
[08:44] <elky> he did.
[08:44] <topyli> oh great
[08:44] <Myrtti> http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/index.php?mode=DETAIL&parent=HWT&pid=7769&page=4&perpage=16
[08:45] <Myrtti> oh look, it's GWENDA! http://www.davidandgoliathtees.com/index.php?mode=DETAIL&parent=HWT&pid=7694&page=10&perpage=16
[09:16] <ikonia> @bansearch histo
[09:16] <ikonia> hope I didn't leave a forward on
[09:17] <ikonia> I hope they are MARKS
[09:17] <ikonia> @bansearch
[09:17] <ikonia> oops
[09:17] <ikonia> @btlogin
[09:18] <ikonia> phew, no bans for histo
[09:18] <Myrtti> I just looooove our intraweb
[09:19] <ikonia> ?
[09:20] <Myrtti> "+ bonus banana: webdav share (behind authentication)"
[09:20] <Myrtti> monkey see, monkey do
[09:20] <Myrtti> juk juk
[09:20] <Myrtti> :-DDDD
[09:22] <ikonia> are you taking drugs ? or just hitting the ramdom comment generator
[09:22] <ikonia> I'm not following %1
[09:22]  * topyli backs away from Myrtti slowly
[09:22] <Myrtti> ikonia: that's from a task assignment given to me
[09:22] <Myrtti> list of several things to set up to a server
[09:22] <ikonia> oh
[09:22] <Myrtti> and as the last item
[09:22] <Myrtti> a bonus banana
[09:23] <topyli> the best kind!
[09:23]  * Myrtti scratches her head in an orangutang style
[09:23] <Myrtti> JUKJUK!
[09:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu ActionParsnip starting to get into really bad advice habbits
[09:44] <Myrtti> ok, this is only getting better
[09:57] <ikonia> need to update the page from the !upgrade factoid
[10:04] <Myrtti> today seems to be one of the crackpot days again
[10:04] <Myrtti> without dwelling into details
[10:04] <ikonia> very
[10:04] <bazhang> ah now I know who useruseruser is
[10:05] <Myrtti> oh?
[10:05] <ikonia> who ?
[10:05] <bazhang> he of the guunnnniiit (aka userus_)
[10:05] <bazhang> let me do a quick btsearch to confirm though, kicked for that before
[10:06] <bazhang> @login
[10:08] <elky> crap, didnt mean to post that yet
[10:08] <elky> crapcrapcrap.
[10:08] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha ha
[10:09] <ikonia> may as well get the responses then
[10:17] <bazhang> gah cant find it, used to do that guuuunnitt quite a bit in main channel (userus_, useruseruser)
[10:22] <elky> bazhang, not worth hunting over
[10:22] <bazhang> elky, okay
[10:49] <popey> Myrtti: that guy in #u is on 7.10 so he _has_ to edit sources.list
[10:49] <popey> 7.10 is on old-releases now
[10:50] <Myrtti> oh right, I keep forgetting that since I'm on 8.10 myself still
[11:04] <ikonia> ok upgrade instructions now updated
[11:04] <ikonia> the !install link is now valid again
[11:27] <popey> xcdfgkjhgcv returns
[11:31] <ikonia> only to the troll pit
[11:31] <ikonia> I liked that he set him self up yesterday
[11:31] <ikonia> called the swine flu people dicks for being ill, then came in complaining that he felt ill, so does that make him a dick for being ill ;)
[11:32] <popey> he came into -uk just now
[11:32] <popey> kick on sight
[11:32] <ikonia> ah
[11:32] <ikonia> forgot to rejoin -uk after my client restart
[11:32] <popey> i suggested DJones sit in here as he is now an op of that channel
[11:32] <popey> that okay?
[11:32] <ikonia> op of uk ?
[11:32] <popey> yes
[11:33] <ikonia> I don't have a problem with it, but then I'm out of the loop on policy
[11:33] <bazhang> hehe
[11:33] <ikonia> seeing as no-one has authroized me to the irc-team yet in launchpad
[11:33] <bazhang> !seeker
[11:33] <popey> well, _I_ am in here, and I'm not an op of #ubuntu
[11:33] <ikonia> popey: as I said, I'm sure it's fine
[11:34] <ikonia> popey: I like having you here, saved me having to join #-uk to poke fun at you
[11:34] <popey> hah
[11:34] <bazhang> !seeker
[11:34] <bazhang> much better ^^
[11:35] <popey> i prefered the old one
[11:35] <jussi01> !-seeker
[11:35] <jussi01> uh uh
[11:35] <ikonia> jussi01: fix my edit permissions on the bot will you please
[11:36] <ikonia> jussi01: when the database went funny I lost my editor permissions
[11:36] <popey> \o/
[11:36] <bazhang> DJones, welcome!
[11:36] <ikonia> bazhang: shush, I was going to fake him out
[11:37] <DJones> thanks
[11:37] <bazhang> oof
[11:37] <ikonia> too quick
[11:37] <ikonia> you ruined
[11:37] <bazhang> aww
[11:38] <DJones> never mind, no doubt you'll catch me out out some other tinme
[11:38] <ikonia> moments gone now
[11:41]  * jussi01 wonders who DJones is... ??
[11:43]  * DJones is somebody who must have done something wrong and found himself added to the access list in -uk as punishment and rather thank make a mess, would rather watch & learn before doing something stupid
[11:46] <bazhang> * [xcdfgkjhgcv] (n=xcdfgjkh@host86-171-251-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com): xcdfgjkhgcv
[11:49] <Gary> DJones: aww, I was waiting to watch the time you set /mode +b *!*@*
[11:53] <gnomefreak> it must be way too early, DJones someone did something bad and you gave him ops in a channel? please tell me i miss read that
[11:53] <elky> why is -uk more special than the other locos?
[11:53] <popey> who said it was?
[11:53]  * elky re-reads the topic.
[11:54] <popey> I clearly made a mistake recommending DJones come in here
[11:54] <elky> i really dont want a situation where we have a representative of every single loco channel here. it's bad enough dealing with -offtopic with the excess of cooks here now.
[11:54] <popey> It seems apparent I'm not welcome either.
[11:55] <elky> popey, you're part of the wallpaper
[11:55]  * popey was being serious
[11:55] <elky> you even have a pretty yellow dot saying so
[11:56] <gnomefreak> can i have a pretty blue dot?
[11:56]  * jussi01 gives gnomefreak a purple dot :D
[11:56] <gnomefreak> jussi01: perfect :)
[11:56] <elky> gnomefreak, let me figure how to hack my xchat config
[11:57] <gnomefreak> ah that explains why i dont see little dots
[11:57] <Myrtti> I can haz purple pluses \o/
[12:00] <elky> popey, all i'm saying is it's getting out of hand. this is a mediation channel, not a training academy.
[12:01] <popey> ok
[12:05] <bazhang> whoa look who just joined -ot
[12:05] <DJones> elky: I'm quite happy to leave, I did say to popey that I was aware of the no idling policy here, so I didn't expect that I'd be allowed to stay anyway, but i appreciated popey's suggestion as a place to learn, I'll stick with -irc in future
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, he's been in there since this time yesterday
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, please do not draw attention to it.
[12:06] <bazhang> elky, I just said look who, did not mention a nick
[12:06] <elky> bazhang, some others yesterday decided to wave.
[12:06] <elky> dorks.
[12:07]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[12:07] <bazhang> elky, I am just a spectator in there at any rate.
[12:07] <bazhang> elky, assuming the 'too many cooks' reference
[12:08] <elky> bazhang, i'm talking about in here, when we get the -ot trolls in here, and we end up with 5 people trying to mediate
[12:09] <bazhang> elky, then there should be clear layout of how that gets done.
[12:10] <elky> we used to be able to rely on 'one person at a time' as being commonsense.
[12:10] <bazhang> indeed.
[12:11] <bazhang> IRCC members first, then senior ops, then ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> thats a word you dont hear often in regaurd to trolls
[12:11] <elky> bazhang, whoever takes ownership of the issue first, then others if assistance is requested
[12:12] <bazhang> elky, thanks for clarification
[12:12] <elky> there's a reason i PM you when you're dealing with someone, rather than just jumping in
[12:12] <gnomefreak> shouldnt IRCC be last in the order
[12:12] <ikonia> bazhang: who joined offtopic ?
[12:12] <bazhang> ikonia, PM
[12:12] <elky> gnomefreak, depends, not always possible.
[12:12] <ikonia> err ok
[12:12] <ikonia> sorry not been paying attention
[12:12] <gnomefreak> elky: ah true
[12:53] <Pici> bazhang: He pm'ed and told me he'll stop.   Hes gone.
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: yes, i complained about having mac os added yesterday - but this time i meant about moving the clients list to the bottom, and adding an *ALL BOLD* prominent uppercase notice about not reporting bugs to the trackers
[14:22] <ikonia> where did that come from ?
[14:23] <LjL> Pici: i mean, i don't think every other help.ubuntu.com page we have that mention programs warns you about reporting unrelated bug to the upstream tracker... do they?
[14:24] <LjL> elky: you don't see what changed because that's not really the diff to the version as of yesterday, but only to the previous version from the same author, sorry
[14:24] <Pici> ikonia: it was a banforward
[14:24] <LjL> elky: this is probably more like it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev1=331&rev2=334
[14:24] <Myrtti> LjL: it needs more love in any case
[14:25] <LjL> it might need more love, but it certainly doesn't need random bold statements added
[14:25] <elky> who put that there?
[14:25] <LjL> elky: some "chemistrydioxide"
[14:26] <elky> seems like a pidgin dev...
[14:26] <Pici> The user info link for him seems to be broken
[14:26] <elky> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=E89&q=chemistrydioxide+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[14:27] <elky> or just someone who annoys them too
[14:27] <LjL> elky: yes, pretty sure to be a pidgin dev, since he rants about ubuntu users logging ubuntu support questions on the pidgin bugtracker
[14:28] <Pici> I highly doubt that our IRC page is the source
[14:28] <Pici> I say revert the change.
[14:28] <LjL> i say if someone's such an idiot they don't understand that "Pidgin" is an IRC client with which to connect to #ubuntu, and instead they 1) google "Pidgin" 2) find its bugtracker 3) log an Ubuntu question on it...
[14:28] <LjL> that's hardly the fault of our page
[14:28] <tsimpson> people often report ubuntu issues on <upstream bugtracker> anyway
[14:29] <Pici> Drop a note on the pidgin wiki page and be done with it.
[14:29]  * genii pries his eyes open, wanders to the coffeepot and puts a fresh batch on
[14:29] <tsimpson> it's already in the pidgin wiki page
[14:29] <LjL> of course, because he edited that too
[14:30] <LjL> the Pidgin page is very ill-designed anyway
[14:30] <LjL> why would it have a section for reporting bugs to upstream?
[14:30] <LjL> now *that* might much more easily be the source of user confusion
[14:30] <elky> LjL, revert the irc page thingie
[14:31] <LjL> yes elky i will. i think i will also remove the reference to Colloquy and add Mibbit instead like pici said.
[14:31] <LjL> and drop a note about it all in #ubuntu-doc
[14:31] <elky> good idea
[14:34] <Pici> I've subscribed myself to the IRC page too
[14:39] <LjL> what do you think of the term "chatroom" he used to explain "channel"?
[14:39] <LjL> aside from the fact that i usually kill anyone on sight who uses that term to refer to irc channels...
[14:39] <LjL> i think it can easily give people the wrong idea too
[14:40] <ikonia> a/s/l please
[14:40] <elky> what ikonia said
[14:40] <LjL> yes, that's what i meant with "the wrong idea"
[14:40] <ikonia> 67/m/arm chair
[14:40] <LjL> but perhaps he might be right thinking there's a need to clarify what a "channel" is? (i'm not sure myself, just wondering)
[14:41] <elky> ikonia, not 75/m/outside your window, watching you ?
[14:41] <LjL> i'll make it "There are many real-time discussion channels for the Ubuntu community"
[14:42] <LjL> if you don't understand what a real-time discussion it, don't join ;P
[14:42] <ikonia> elky: not yet........
[14:42] <elky> anyway, bedtime for me
[14:43] <Pici> goodnight
[14:43] <ikonia> night elky
[14:49] <LjL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat?action=diff&rev2=335&rev1=334
[15:14]  * genii hands Pici a coffee
[15:42] <genii> jussi01: Some server crashed upstairs here so I'm /away working on it for a bit
[16:14] <ikonia> @bansearch xcdfgkjhgcv
[16:33] <Pici> fcol @ fscking a mounted filesystem
[16:33] <ikonia> he was lucky to not do that
[16:38] <jussi01> sigh...
[16:38] <ikonia> what's up
[16:47] <jussi01> ikonia: meh... life... and a few stupid people...
[16:47] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[16:51] <genii> jussi01: Ooops i didn't catch the profanity there in #k offtopc
[16:53] <LjL> why, you care about profanity in #k-ot nowadays?
[16:53] <LjL> that's news
[16:54] <ikonia> profanity in any of the channels isn't cool
[16:54] <ikonia> not seeing the language in the ubuntu channels has genuinly made me appreciate how over used other channels are with bad language
[16:58] <LjL> well, in the past when i complained about such things about #k-ot, i was mostly ignored or told they were acceptable
[17:08] <genii> I usually don't sweat over swearing much in offtopic if it's in context, a warning once in a while or so. It doesn't bother me there as much as in the regular support channels
[17:09] <ikonia> genii: the regular support channels are monitored quite good on bad language in my opinion
[17:09] <genii> ikonia: I agree
[17:12] <genii> ikonia: Maybe someone msg'd him the    rm -rf        command or so
[17:12] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking
[17:14] <Pici> Whats the question?
[17:14] <ikonia> "why did you just say that"
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <jhodgins> Caus eI saw it and was like whats that mean?
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <ikonia> then why did you not ask "what does this mean"
[17:15] <ikonia> 17:14 <jhodgins> because I like drama.
[17:15] <ikonia> he knew what he was doing
[17:15] <ikonia> or she did
[17:16] <Pici> ah
[17:17] <ikonia> I've explained to her the problem, lets see how she behaves
[19:10] <jussi01> genii: you speak spanish?
[19:10] <genii> jussi01: Hehe, no. babelfish does
[19:10] <LjL> that sounded more like google translate to me
[19:10] <jussi01> hehe
[19:11] <genii> When i do a whois on him I think he uppercased the u like: #Ubuntu-es
[19:12] <jussi01> nom nom, half price meat from the supermarket cooked section :D
[19:12] <LjL> genii: who? i don't see that
[19:12] <LjL> besides, case of channels in /whois should be dictated by who *created* the channel i believe, not by the joiner
[19:12] <Pici> LjL: supremo
[19:13] <LjL> [20:13:07] [Whois] supremo is a user on channels: #kubuntu #ubuntu-es
[19:13] <Pici> from irssi: channels : #Ubuntu-es #kubuntu
[19:13] <LjL> weird
[19:13]  * LjL tries from telnet
[19:13] <Pici> Its silly that channels are even case sensitive anywhere
[19:14] <LjL> they are not
[19:14] <LjL> they are sometimes case preserving, but not case sensitive
[19:14] <Pici> LjL: er, right, wrong word.
[19:14] <LjL> Pici: irssi is right
[19:15] <LjL> Pici: it's weird though that my konversation sometimes *does* show channels not all lowercase, too. just not for supremo
[19:16] <LjL> for instance my own WHOIS in konversation shows #Kubuntu-es, with an uppercase K
[19:16] <LjL> but that's because the channel was created like that
[19:17] <Pici> Weird.
[19:17] <genii> Gah work again. AFK
[19:19] <LjL> Pici: anyway i think there have been bugs in the floodbots in the past due to irc's case preservingness
[19:20] <LjL> at some point i filled the code with strtolower()s because i couldn't understand why something was happening... =)
[19:21] <Pici> LjL: string comparison bugs?
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: but see a channel on irc is very much like a nickname. it practically *is* a nickname on old ircds (/whois will return "no such nick/channel")... and it's pretty clear that nicknames preserve case
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: they'd ignore people who joined #Ubuntu instead of #ubuntu, for instance
[19:22] <Pici> LjL: Interesting
[19:22] <LjL> Pici: because when you PRIVMSG a channel, people will actually see, as the channel name, the name you used when JOINing
[19:22] <LjL> with its own case
[19:23] <Pici> I know
[19:23] <LjL> Pici: no wait i'm wrong on that - privmsg will show the actual case
[19:23] <LjL> Pici: but the JOIN itself will reflect what the joiner used
[19:24] <Pici> LjL: Right, that makes more sense.
[19:25] <LjL> Pici: so the floodbots would log "UNEXPECTED: foobar joined #UbuntU", and then forget completely about foobar's existence
[19:26] <LjL> of course, i would have easily noticed that by checking the logs.
[19:26] <LjL> but there is no fun in that.
[19:30] <genii> Strange behaviour, that
[19:31] <Pici> LjL: I'm at work, so I won't try visiting that site, is it banworthy?
[19:33] <LjL> which site pici?
[19:33] <Pici> LjL: The site that NeoGeo64 linked to
[19:34] <LjL> Pici: ah i hadn't even noticed that link. it looks like porn.
[19:35] <LjL> as in, it is porn.
[19:45] <Pici> [brubin@SPAPP60:collect/rubin]$ rm test                                        (04-29 11:06)
[19:45] <Pici> er,
[19:45] <Pici> http://ircwall.snuxoll.com/quotes/120 is pretty funny.
[19:49] <genii> jussi01: <Riddell> **  Kubuntu Q & A session in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom (questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat)
[19:49] <genii> And others who may be interested^^
[21:11] <LjL> Pici: quite a work of art, innit
[21:55] <LjL> !truecrypt
[21:56] <LjL> !no truecrypt is <reply> Truecypt is a freeware on-the-fly disk encryption software.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TruecryptHiddenVolume
[21:56] <LjL> ask jdong :)
[21:57] <jdong> hehe :)
[22:33] <Pricey> jussi01: looks like he's just going to repeat everything i say in pm..
[22:34] <LjL> please lastlog neogeo64, he was being a troll earlier too
[22:34] <LjL> also, i banned him... years ago
[22:34] <jussi01> Pricey: Im off to bed, so if he comes in...
[22:35] <Pricey> Yep I noticed him back earlier, had been watching him but a little late this time.
[22:35] <LjL> [22:42] ***<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:36] <LjL> [22:42] <NeoGeo64> Help, where can I find the keygen for Ubuntu 7.10
[22:36] <LjL> [22:42] <mc44> NeoGeo64: don't troll please
[22:36] <LjL> same troll in 2007 as 2009
[22:36] <LjL> [22:55] <NeoGeo64> When I was younger, I was into hentai hardcore.
[22:36] <LjL> [22:55] <NeoGeo64> I got out of that phase eventually
[22:36] <LjL> [22:56] *** NeoGeo64 has left #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by LjL: "You should have known better, bye")
[22:36] <LjL> this is Session Start: Wed Oct 17 22:20:14 2007
[22:36] <Pricey> He did moe than that didn't he?
[22:37] <LjL> Pricey: well, not stuff he got banned for, but yes
[22:37] <LjL> [22:49] <NeoGeo64> 12 year old girls?
[22:37] <LjL> [22:49] <NeoGeo64> jk
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> oh in that case plz upload to tinypic or smth
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> i need new material.
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> ok dude
[22:37] <LjL> [22:50] <NeoGeo64> you cant show 12 year old girls posing in their underwear
[22:38] <LjL> he was also around in 2008, never banned according to my log (don't know according to the bantracker)
[22:38] <LjL> but kinda trollish still
[22:44] <jdong> what on earth?
[22:44] <jdong> we allow that in -ot?
[22:44] <LjL> jdong: this is not now, it's 2007 and 2008
[22:44] <LjL> jdong: but, yes. sometimes.
[22:45] <jdong> mmm I see
[22:45] <LjL> jdong: i did ban him at least once as you can see anyway
[22:45] <Pricey> jdong: he was banned a few minutes ago
[22:46] <Pricey> he seemed to join to troll #ubuntu about 4 hours ago, but nothing since
[22:46] <jdong> interesting
[22:48] <LjL> jdong: anyway you have a point in that my logs do show he's been let talk freely in #ubuntu for way too long in 2008
[22:48] <LjL> #ubuntu-offtopic even
[22:49] <jdong> well I had no context to go on, but yeah from the snippet posted it was a bit *WHOA*
[22:50] <LjL> jdong: well the snippet itself is, well, a snippet - could just be that no ops were around to see that.
[22:50] <jdong> exactly
[22:51] <LjL> it's such a shame we don't have the old bantracker database, too.
[22:51] <LjL> even before dumping it, seveas was planning to only keep the last year of it
[22:51] <LjL> crazy idea
[22:52] <LjL> trolls *do* come back. always.
[22:57] <Seeker`> you know what they say; once an evilGary, always an evilGary
[23:01] <popey> !seeker
[23:10] <bazhang> @bansearch chronic
[23:12] <Seeker`> popey: :(
[23:13] <Seeker`> who changed it back from "something clever"?
[23:13] <bazhang> not me
[23:13] <bazhang> !-seeker
[23:13] <Seeker`> !jussi01
[23:13] <LjL> Seeker`: someone clever did
[23:13] <LjL> Seeker`: someone stupid asked
[23:14] <bazhang> chronic is banned only in +1?
[23:14] <Seeker`> i'm not particularly bothered, I'm the one that added it iwht "something stupid"
[23:34] <LjL> bazhang: i don't think there was anything particularly bannable in other channels, no
[23:34] <ikonia> bazhang: yes
[23:35] <ikonia> bazhang: no and ubuntu too
[23:35] <ikonia> LjL: there was
[23:35] <ikonia> LjL: he got removed from ubuntu ubuntu+1 and kubuntu
[23:35] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:35] <ikonia> he's changed his client to get around
[23:36] <ikonia> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?sess=b8fdd2c46b3de6b218dc501145630020
[23:36] <ikonia> oops
[23:36] <ikonia> idiot
[23:36] <ikonia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:36] <ikonia> that was kubuntu ban
[23:37] <Seeker`> thats bad to post that link
[23:37] <Seeker`> how long are sessions valid for?
[23:37] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:37] <ikonia> it's not any more
[23:38] <Pricey> no, it still is
[23:38] <ikonia> oh, I thought it was gone once you started a new one
[23:39] <ikonia> how do you clear it down ?
[23:40] <LjL> ikonia: you have 20 minutes to find out before it gets logged on irclogs.u.c. :)
[23:40] <ikonia> ha ha, tsimpson jussi01 ping
[23:41] <Seeker`> does accessing it prolong the session?
[23:42] <ikonia> closed my windows while I'm investingating
[23:42] <ikonia> can't hurt
[23:43]  * Seeker` keeps on opening that URL :P
[23:43] <ikonia> thanks for that
[23:44] <Seeker`> ikonia: oh yeah, 16 mins left btw :P
[23:44] <ikonia> it will be fine
[23:45] <ikonia> just need to find where the session file is kept on ubottu's server I believe
[23:46] <Seeker`> ikonia: in the db?
[23:46] <ikonia> don't know, don't know if it's in the db or flat file
[23:46] <ikonia> I've got some notes some where on this PC
[23:51] <bazhang> ikonia, okay, just saw him in #kubuntu and wanted to be sure he wasn't ban dodging (again)
[23:52] <ikonia> bazhang: and he was, so I removed him
[23:52] <bazhang> ah okay
[23:55] <genii> Return of "chronic" ?
[23:56] <genii> @btlogin
[23:56] <ikonia> can't find my darn notes on how to delete that session, where is tsimpson or jussi01 when you want one


[02:04] <imgbot> [03:04] <imgbot> [03:54] <imgbot> [03:54] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [04:19] <imgbot> [12:08] <ricmm> bzoltan: so only 107+ ? 106 and 105 clean?
[12:09] <ricmm> bzoltan: basically just want to know if 105 is broken, and if 107 is broken for you then try to roll back to qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin to 0.4.3+14.10.20141013-0ubuntu1
[12:10] <bzoltan> ricmm:  yes, up until 106 it was OK and from 107 the UITK AP tests are broken
[12:10] <ricmm> ok
[12:10] <ricmm> in that case its the desktop file reader changes
[12:10] <bzoltan> ricmm:  I have not yet tried to roll back
[12:11] <bzoltan> ricmm: do you know who yo talk for the fix?
[12:12] <ricmm> bzoltan: dandrader, gerry, kgunn
[12:12] <ricmm> but first do confirm with a rollback of qtmir
[12:12] <ricmm> just to make sure the pinpointed version is correct
[12:13] <bzoltan> ricmm: OK, so it is 0.4.3
[12:13] <bzoltan> ricmm:  is it a trival downgrade?
[12:14] <ricmm> bzoltan: apt-get install qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin=0.4.3+14.10.20141013-0ubuntu1
[12:15] <bzoltan> ricmm: cool, thank you ... doing it right now
[12:34] <Saviq> davmor2, bug #1383277
[12:35] <popey> ooh, i have been seeing that too
[12:35] <Mirv> bfiller: I published the rtm-002 now.
[12:36] <bfiller> Mirv: thanks, would be great if we could respin a mako image with that
[12:37] <Mirv> bfiller: I'll ping og_ra when it has migrated to release pocket
[12:38] <Mirv> bfiller: I wonder if we should try to get it to utopic too? I'm not sure if those ubuntu-phone thread repliers are using rtm or utopic
[12:39] <bfiller> Mirv: we should probably get it to ubuntu as well, I think the people were using rtm but we should to be safe
[12:39] <popey> Saviq: davmor2 bug 1383279
[12:39] <Saviq> popey, a
[12:39] <Saviq> h
[12:40] <Saviq> popey, reassigned to u-s-c
[12:40] <Mirv> bfiller: ^ that 001 will have it, kicked build button.
[12:46] <bfiller> Mirv: thanks
[12:46] <bfiller> Mirv: could you create silos for line 56 and 57 when you have a chance?
[12:55] <Mirv> ogra_: bill requested ^ above at least mako rtm image build, could you arrange it? the sim unlock problem seen on the mailing list would be now fixed.
[12:56] <ogra_> i cant do a Mako only build
[12:56] <ogra_> but i can indeed trigger an RTM image build
[12:57] <Mirv> ogra_: yeah, that's what I thought. I guess that's important enough bug that it'd be nice to have a new image sooner.
[12:58] <Mirv> hmm, I guess sil2100 is still stuck somewhere in Frankfurt or so :(
[12:58] <ogra_> right, no issue with that
[12:58] <ogra_> yup, i just saw his mail ... i think his new filght is in 2-3h
[12:59] <ogra_> ... "I'm stuck here until the flight at 17:00 UTC+2" ...
[12:59] <ogra_> even more
[12:59] <Mirv> he didn't mail me, but I heard yesterday evening
[12:59] <Mirv> that's terrible
[12:59]  * ogra_ is on the right MLs :)
[13:00] <Mirv> ogra_: argh, not again... "aren't you on the xyz mailing list"
[13:00] <ogra_> obviously LH screwed up his re-booking
[13:00] <Mirv> I wonder if I should be on some more lists..
[13:00] <ogra_> Mirv, thats the internal foundations list ... i was on that team and didnt unsubscribe when i changed :)
[13:00] <Mirv> hehe, right
[13:03] <Saviq> jdstrand, hey, could we get your feedback on bug #1383086 please (also, is there a project we could add a task for to request security feedback?)
[13:37] <kenvandine> does anyone know why some autopkgtests aren't running?
[13:37] <kenvandine> i have ubuntu-system-settings in proposed and excuses says there is a test running
[13:37] <kenvandine> but it isn't... last run was a week ago
[13:44] <pete-woods> trainguards: if I want to change my mind about the target of my landing (I want to do utopic, rather than rtm), what's the right way to do this?
[14:10] <Mirv> pete-woods: you tell the line number and we'll change it :)
[14:10] <Mirv> or I will, robru being at his home timezone and sil2100 stuck on Frankfurt airport...
[14:10] <Mirv> pete-woods: so, I'd free up the rtm silo and assign utopic one instead
[14:11] <kenvandine> Mirv, do you know why we have a bunch of packages stuck in proposed?
[14:11] <kenvandine> Mirv, excuses says "test running"
[14:12] <kenvandine> but they aren't running :)
[14:12] <Mirv> kenvandine: in rtm or utopic?
[14:12] <kenvandine> utopic
[14:12] <Mirv> oh..
[14:12] <kenvandine> we have packages stuck migrating since friday
[14:14] <Mirv> the answer to your question is "no" (do I know). we should probably ping pitti or someone else.
[14:18] <cjwatson> ask on #ubuntu-release about such things.
[14:19] <pete-woods> Mirv: yes, that would be awesome :)
[14:22] <popey> [D/query balloons
[14:22] <popey> oops
[14:36] <Saviq> Mirv, could we please have a silo for line 42 then, cleaned the utopic-targeted silo ↑
[14:57] <brendand> marcustomlinson, hey
[14:58] <marcustomlinson> brendand: hey
[14:58] <brendand> marcustomlinson, can we sit for a few minutes and look at your silo?
[14:58] <marcustomlinson> brendand: yeah ok
[14:58] <brendand> marcustomlinson, dallas right?
[14:58] <marcustomlinson> brendand: yep
[15:01] <Saviq> Mirv, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1425
[15:02] <AlbertA> trainguards: line 28 (rtm landing-001) is ready for QA but it's not showing up in the trello queue any ideas?
[15:13] <Mirv> pete-woods: the line number, please? :)
[15:14] <Mirv> Saviq: on time, great!!
[15:14] <Mirv> cjwatson: is vivid open yet? ;)
[15:14] <pete-woods> Mirv: line 62
[15:15] <Mirv> pete-woods: oh right it didn't even have an assigned silo. ok then, 016.
[15:18] <pete-woods> Mirv: sorry, that's a new line. the original one is 49
[15:19] <Mirv> pete-woods: thanks, freed the silo
[15:20] <Mirv> (the line 49)
[15:20] <bzoltan> ogra_: sir, where are you?
[15:20] <Mirv> Saviq: rtm-015
[15:20] <ogra_> bzoltan, hmm, i thinnk its is called ballromm B
[15:21] <cjwatson> Mirv: no :)
[15:24] <popey> davmor2: bug 1383343
[15:24] <popey> dunno if we have one already filed for that, seems we should
[15:26] <davmor2> popey: confirmed
[15:33] <popey> davmor2: ta
[16:25] <brendand> bzoltan, silo 13 isn't going to land this week you know
[17:10] <robru> Mirv: are you at the sprint?
[17:12] <robru> I'm around for any landing needs anybody might have
[17:32] <rsalveti> davmor2: I got a silo that's ready for qa to sign it off, but it seems the spreadsheet is not showing that
[17:32] <rsalveti> rtm silo 14
[17:45] <rsalveti> Saviq: hey, we want to land https://code.launchpad.net/~mfrey/unity8/lock-fix/+merge/238918
[17:45] <rsalveti> Saviq: don't think we're landing more stuff into utopic anymore, so how to proceed with that landing?
[17:45] <Saviq> rsalveti, I'm releasing trunk into rtm
[17:45] <Saviq> rsalveti, I've a silo already, will take that in
[17:46] <rsalveti> Saviq: awesome
[17:47] <robru> rsalveti: fixed spreadsheet status of row 48
[17:47] <rsalveti> robru: thanks!
[17:48] <robru> there it is ;-) you're welcome!
[17:48] <brendand> AlbertA, which bug is silo 17 meant to fix?
[17:48] <brendand> AlbertA, i don't see one mentioned in the changelog
[17:49] <AlbertA> brendand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1378311
[17:50] <brendand> AlbertA, that's not going to land this week though
[18:00] <AlbertA> brendand: I believe it was indirectly associated with a bug that was tagged 10-23
[18:00] <AlbertA> brendand: but let me check...
[18:07] <Mirv> robru: yes!
[18:07] <robru> Mirv: mmmm, how was the flight? /me is super jealous i didn't get to go
[18:08] <Mirv> robru: yes, it's nice to have you around, since I'm walking around so much that my response time can vary.
[18:08] <Mirv> robru: 1h late (+1.5h US customs queueing), but not too bad especially given how Lukasz is doing.
[18:08] <Mirv> I was here at 10pm, which was ok.
[18:09] <robru> yeah I saw lukasz' email, that's just brutal
[18:11] <ogra_> something he cal tell his kids about :)
[18:11] <ogra_> *can
[18:12] <brendand> bzoltan, ping
[18:12] <brendand> ogra_, what happened?
[18:13] <ogra_> brendand,
[18:13] <ogra_> oops
[18:13] <ogra_> brendand, his original flight was overbooked and they screwed up the new booking
[18:13] <ogra_> he should be in the air now (finally)
[18:16] <robru> ogra_: landings are open, right? I can publish that? ^
[18:17] <ogra_> robru, i donkt think landings are open, no
[18:17] <robru> hm, rsalveti published himself ;-)
[18:17] <ogra_> but thats the sim lock fix, that has been discussed before ...
[18:18] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:18] <ogra_> (talking about rtm-008 and rtm-006)
[18:18] <ogra_> not sure about the mess rsalveti made with rtm-002
[18:18] <ogra_> :P
[18:18] <ogra_> :)
[18:18] <rsalveti> it is ricmm's fault
[18:18] <ogra_> as usual !!
[18:19] <ogra_> robru, we actually planned to build an image once the 006 and 008 packages landed commpletely
[18:20] <robru> ogra_: 6 and 8 aren't even started to publish yet, are they being reviewed still?
[18:20] <ogra_> hmm, dunno, i thought Mirv had handled them this morning already
[18:21] <ogra_> though i'm not sure if anything is allowed to land without QA signing off ... brendand ^^ ?
[18:21] <robru> ogra_: unless they landed already and there's already two new landings in those silos? ;-)
[18:22] <ogra_> magically with the same packages ? :)
[18:22] <Mirv> ogra_: didn't sil write on Friday "This also means we will be unblocking landings through the CI Train now."?
[18:22] <brendand> ogra_, no
[18:22] <Mirv> ogra_: yes I published the mako sim unlock silo
[18:22] <ogra_> Mirv, well, i think olli still only wanted landings for the critical bugfixes
[18:22] <robru> yeah I read something about how landings were unblocked but since it's final freeze it's basically only critical fixes anyway
[18:22] <ogra_> Mirv, and i think every landing needs QA signoff at this point in the release
[18:23] <olli> Mirv, ogra_ is right
[18:23] <olli> i.e. if on the list, good to land
[18:23] <Mirv> ogra_: yes, only rtm14 critical of course
[18:23] <olli> if not, then escalation to product team
[18:23] <ogra_> olli, modulo QA signoff indeed :)
[18:23] <olli> for exception
[18:23] <ogra_> sine we want to keep brendand and davmor2 busy ;)
[18:23] <Mirv> both today's fixes so far were for 2014-10-23 critical ones
[18:23] <ogra_> *since
[18:24] <Mirv> ogra_: right, so QA signoff simply to every landing..
[18:24] <ogra_> yeah
[18:24] <Mirv> ricmm: that means I'm changing your "turn off backlight" silo to also requiring signoff
[18:24] <ogra_> Qa might decide the landing is trivial enough to just let it through, but we should get their comment at least
[18:24] <Mirv> and ken's system-settings and pete-woods's silo
[18:24] <ogra_> Mirv, a bit late :P
[18:25] <Mirv> oh...
[18:25] <ogra_> (given it is already migrating)
[18:25] <ricmm> :)
[18:25] <Mirv> right :)
[18:25] <olli> Mirv, checking the tags only is not sufficient
[18:25] <olli> as anyone can set the tags and sometimes they get set by accident
[18:26] <Mirv> and Saviq's unity8 landing
[18:26] <olli> the list from my mail is the authoritive source
[18:26] <ogra_> well, only landing team should set them ... (though indeed everyone can set them, the landing team simply needs to check twice)
[18:26] <Mirv> olli: right.. so the 10/16 email. check.
[18:27] <olli> Mirv, 10/23 ;)
[18:27] <Mirv> olli: yes, 10/23 email sent on 10/16 :)
[18:27] <olli> hah
[18:27] <olli> I can see now how this gets confusing
[18:28] <Mirv> Saviq: so, I can immediately see your unity8 landing has bugs listed not on the List, so they should be escalated if wanted in
[18:30] <rsalveti> but we're not just accepting MRs for the bugs from that email
[18:30] <rsalveti> afaik we're back in the game and landing criticals
[18:30] <rsalveti> even if not for this deadline
[18:31] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm so going to slap you into the middle of next month
[18:31] <Mirv> rsalveti: reading olli above it sounds like only bugs from the e-mail, or would need contacting the product team
[18:31] <rsalveti> doesn't make sense, we had that for one week only, for the purpose of that milestone
[18:31] <rsalveti> olli: isn't that the case?
[18:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, as i understood we only land what has been approved by olli, pmcgowan or vicotr ... and then only after QA signed it off
[18:32] <rsalveti> as we're fixing the other critical bugs, and we want to land them
[18:32] <rsalveti> ogra_: I thought that was only for the previous milestone
[18:32] <olli> rsalveti, only what's on the list for 10/23
[18:32] <ogra_> (heh, vicotr ... victors evil russian brother)
[18:32] <rsalveti> olli: why that?
[18:32] <rsalveti> why did we decide to push the same requirements for 23?
[18:33] <olli> rsalveti, ideally, we shouldn't fix bugs that aren't on the list, unless the list is wrong or there is a good opportunity
[18:33] <rsalveti> olli: well, we have people enough to fix some other criticals
[18:33] <rsalveti> same that happened last week
[18:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, the bugs simply need to be sent to either of these three and be added to the list
[18:33] <Mirv> yes, that's what Saviq said too, they have more people than bugs on the list
[18:33] <rsalveti> we're just flushing them now
[18:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, I don't understand why we need that
[18:33] <Mirv> it does make sense to fix later critical bugs earlier
[18:33] <rsalveti> we have the rtm14 bug list
[18:33] <rsalveti> exactly
[18:33] <olli> rsalveti, the intention is to reduce churn & regression risk
[18:34] <rsalveti> if it's on the rtm14 critical list, let's land it
[18:34] <ogra_> rsalveti, because they want to asses the risk for their product
[18:34] <rsalveti> olli: but them we'll never fix every bug
[18:34] <rsalveti> it's just a waste of time
[18:34] <rsalveti> we should land every critical we have now
[18:34] <rsalveti> as before
[18:34] <rsalveti> anytime
[18:34] <nik90> olli: is the rtm14 critical list public? Since I need to check if some alarm bugs are on that list which would affect user experience.
[18:34] <rsalveti> we can't land on utopic, can't land criticals out of that list
[18:34]  * ogra_ doesnt care either way, i just know what was requested
[18:34] <rsalveti> will just take vacations
[18:35] <ogra_> in any case everything going into RTM needs QA signoff ... regardless of the list
[18:35] <Mirv> nik90: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=rtm14
[18:35] <olli> rsalveti, let's chat in the break
[18:35] <rsalveti> olli: sure
[18:35] <olli> rsalveti, vacation or improve test coverage or ...
[18:35] <rsalveti> but I'm in favor of always landing critical fixes, sooner the better
[18:35] <ogra_> olli, there are a good bunch of bugs that wont affect krillin but mako ... which we definitely want tto have fixed
[18:36] <olli> rsalveti, I'd be with you if the overall number of bugs would go down
[18:36] <nik90> Mirv: and If I need to request a bug to be on that list, do I ask olli and victorp?
[18:36] <rsalveti> olli: but that's because we still have bugs
[18:36] <rsalveti> ignoring that is just ignoring the reality that we have more bugs
[18:36] <Mirv> nik90: so basically any bug that both has the tag "rtm14" and is Critical. then we have an these "touch-2014-10-23" milestones additionally, and this List we're talking about is about those subsets of the whole list
[18:36] <rsalveti> the bug number will still increase for a while
[18:36] <rsalveti> until it's stable
[18:36] <rsalveti> we now have way more people using the product
[18:36] <rsalveti> expect more bugs
[18:36] <nik90> Mirv: ok
[18:37] <Mirv> ogra_: what was the policy on adding 'rtm14' tag itself?
[18:37] <ogra_> uh, i forgot
[18:37] <bzoltan> brendand: pong
[18:37] <Mirv> yeah, me too :P
[18:37] <ogra_> heh
[18:37] <ogra_> sil might know
[18:37] <rsalveti> I just think we'll never ship if we keep this process as is
[18:38] <rsalveti> but anyway, will complain in the corridor
[18:38] <olli> :)
[18:38] <Mirv> nik90: well, for now contact me or sil2100 when you've a bug that is critical (that part you can set yourself in your own projects) and that would also like to have the 'rtm14' tag.
[18:38] <bzoltan> brendand:  Is it because of the UITK or is there a generic freeze?
[18:38] <nik90> Mirv: ack
[18:38] <olli> Mirv, rtm14 is for you to express that this is relevant for the product
[18:38] <rsalveti> we're only landing ones that already has a deadline, just not for 23
[18:38] <Mirv> nik90: ^ ok there you go, you can add rtm14 for your own project when you think it should be in the radar as a critical bug
[18:39] <Mirv> olli: thanks.
[18:39] <bzoltan> elopio:  the AP failures are same with the   qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin:armhf                    0.4.4+14.10.20141013-0ubuntu1
[18:39] <rsalveti> postponing something that was originally for 30 just because we can't include it for 23 makes no sense
[18:39] <rsalveti> made sense last week because of the reason of the deadline
[18:39] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, you can, if its rtm and crit
[18:40] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: olli said I can only land stuff on the 23 list
[18:40] <pmcgowan> ok go yell at him then :)
[18:40] <elopio> bzoltan: do you mean, the same +70 errors?
[18:40] <Mirv> I think that was the plan :)
[18:40] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: that's what I'm doing here
[18:40] <rsalveti> :-)
[18:40] <olli> pmcgowan, hey...
[18:41] <brendand> bzoltan, the landings are restricted to ollis list
[18:41] <bzoltan> elopio:  yes
[18:41] <pmcgowan> heh olli's list
[18:41] <bzoltan> elopio:  I have flashed the 118 image and downgraded that package.
[18:44] <bzoltan> brendand:  Well, obviously  I am not happy for it. But can not do much I guess. I hope that the V queue will soon open and I can start landing there.
[19:20] <ogra_> Mirv, so what about the SIM lock stuff ? i cant see it on the dashbaodr
[19:20] <ogra_> wow, what a typo
[19:21] <ogra_> Mirv, i would actually like to trigger an image build ( rsalveti wants one too) ... but i cant seem to find the SIM lock issue landing anywhere
[19:23] <ogra_> ah, found it ... line 39 ... and it actually landed
[19:23]  * ogra_ triggers a build
[19:23] <ogra_> imgbot, stunt
[19:23]  * imgbot rolls on its back and purrs
[19:23] <ogra_> good :)
[19:24] <olli> lol
[19:25] <cjwatson> bzoltan1: Friday, hopefully
[19:26] <bzoltan1> cjwatson:  Friday is good, thanks
[19:26] <cjwatson> not promising but we've managed to be up and running within a day of release before ...
[19:27] <bzoltan1> sure, I totally understand
[19:29] <imgbot> [19:32] <Mirv> ogra_: yes, thanks!
[19:33] <Saviq> Mirv, there actually *is* a DO_NOT_ADD_RTM option ;)
[19:34] <Mirv> Saviq: oh, right, it is there!
[19:34] <ogra_> WHY_DO_ALL_OPTIONS_SCREAM ?
[19:34] <Saviq> ogra_, BECAUSE_THEYRE_IMPORTANT
[19:35] <ogra_> AH_THAT_MAKES_SENSE_THEN
[20:27] <robru> bzoltan: row 70 is missing something
[20:27] <Mirv> robru: oops :) I added it
[20:28] <Mirv> we're rapidly trying to get the MR in there. sorry for setting it as "Ready"
[20:28] <Mirv> the battle for working wifi
[20:31] <robru> Mirv: heh, no worries.
[20:32] <bzoltan> robru: Mirv: ready :)
[20:33] <robru> bzoltan: Mirv utopic 14
[20:37] <Mirv> bzoltan: building https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-014-1-build/81/console
[20:38] <Mirv> zbenjamin: conflicts
[20:39] <imgbot> [20:39] <imgbot> [20:39] <ogra_> wow
[20:39] <robru> pete-woods: ^ I'm afraid to publish anything as I've been out for 2 weeks. what's up with silo 16?
[20:39] <ogra_> that was really fast !
[20:40] <robru> hm
[20:40] <davmor2> ogra_: that just means it didn't work and we now all have broken images right?
[20:40] <ogra_> davmor2, well, blame rsalveti :P
[20:41] <davmor2> rsalveti: it's all you fault!!!!
[20:41] <kenvandine> davmor2, why can't it ever be your fault? :-p
[20:42] <robru> wtfqueuebot
[20:42] <davmor2> kenvandine: it is but most that I let stuff through that was broken by the devs :P
[20:42] <Mirv> oh, not again, the 1min repeat queuebot thing
[20:42] <ogra_> it *relly* wants to publish that :)
[20:42] <ogra_> *really
[20:42] <kenvandine> really
[20:42] <robru> but but!
[20:42] <robru> I remember the cause of that issue and the spreadsheet doesn't look like it has that problem right now!
[20:42] <Mirv> it became fun when it was repeating three different landings every minute
[20:44] <pete-woods> robru: I think it's ready (I mean I've tested it). but I don't know the rules about publishing..
[20:44] <robru> pete-woods: is it a critical bugfix? utopic is in final freeze ;-)
[20:45] <pete-woods> robru: it is, yes
[20:45] <robru> pete-woods: ok
[20:46] <ricmm> :)
[20:46] <ricmm> s'il vous plait
[20:47] <robru> ricmm: rtm 2
[20:47] <ricmm> robru: thanks
[20:47] <robru> ricmm: you're welcome
[20:57] <davmor2> ogra_, rsalveti: why is this image never seeming to finish flashing?
[20:58] <davmor2> ogra_, rsalveti: nevermind it just finished but my god that took a while :)
[20:58] <rsalveti> davmor2: hahah
[20:58] <rsalveti> I might be able to flash it tomorrow, will take a while to download it
[20:58] <rsalveti> really slow
[21:00] <cwayne> davmor2, got time for a custom tarball test tomorrow?  only critical bug fixes I swear :)
[21:00] <robru> somebody who knows stuff let me know if it's actually ok to publish silo rtm 14
[21:00] <davmor2> cwayne: Where's my fitbit damn you ?  possibly depends when
[21:00] <robru> or not
[21:01] <Mirv> robru: yes, I just published it. so it is on the 10/23 List (on the mailing list), ie ok.
[21:01] <robru> ah ok, thanks Mirv
[21:01] <Mirv> "10/23 iteration planning"
[21:01] <cwayne> davmor2, its in my room
[21:02] <cwayne> i dont have a charger for it though :/ but i do have the dongle to sync it
[21:05] <balloons> ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1383479
[21:05] <ogra_> olli, pmcgowan ^^^ we need to talk about this one
[21:08] <olli> ogra_, ack, not sure I fully grasp the implications
[21:19] <pmcgowan> ogra_, yeah, this week or next?
[21:21] <pmcgowan> balloons, ^^?
[21:26] <pmcgowan> ogra_, balloons although if it has a small footprint I suppose there is not so much urgency?
[21:33] <ogra_> pmcgowan, it has a giant dependency chain
[21:33] <ogra_> (it will remove quite a bit of python packages)
[21:33] <pmcgowan> that sounds good
[21:34] <pmcgowan> so we should do next two weeks
[21:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, but there is some risk in it, if people dont use out tools for testing but directly call autopilot for example
[21:34] <ogra_> so we should do it early to asess possible fallout
[21:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, who might do that?
[21:34] <pmcgowan> ok
[21:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, well, i know that the unity8 team calls AP directly during developemnt
[21:35] <ogra_> (eaiser than always calling pahblet-test-run if you develop )
[21:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, so maybe an email to the list to prep folks
[21:54] <balloons> pmcgowan, thanks for commenting on it. Sorry, I was offline and missed the discussion
[21:54] <balloons> ogra_, pmcgowan, the potential issues also arise from people depending on autopilot or a dependency without declaring it. It's unlikely but possible


[06:41] <duoi> Hi all. Anyone have any suggestions for dual head pico-itx SBCs that would be able to run ubuntu ARM?
[13:19] <xperia> hi. small question. is it possible to build ubuntu touch without using and depending on android? i want a ubuntu linux distro with ubuntu touch. how can this be maked the best and easy way? any known instructions ?
[16:32] <zeorin> Hello, does anyone know how I could create my own armhf rootfs?
[17:11] <ogra_`> zeorin, you could start from an ubuntu-core tarball
[17:12] <ogra_`> aalternatively, install qemu-user-static and use qemu-debootstrap to create an armhf chroot
[17:36] <zeorin> I'm wary of the core install because the device I want to use it on doesn't have ethernet...
[17:37] <zeorin> It's an Asus Transformer Prime
[17:37] <zeorin> I've got ubuntu running on it currently using instructions found here http://lifeinarootshell.blogspot.it/2013/03/howto.html
[17:39] <zeorin> but after an update to 13.10 lightdm won't start, not authorized to connect to networks, unity (if using startx) is just a black screen except for the cursor, when I ran do-release-upgrade I had to prefix the command with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 because that wasn't set... Just problems all around... I figure a fresh install starting in saucy would be better
[17:40] <zeorin> I'm currently trying it with rootstock even though it's deprecated... It seems that live-build. is the recommended method nowadays... But there are no clear instructions on how to build an armhf saucy rootfs using that tool.... And obviously it's Xmas time, so family wants me around and I don't really have time right now to figure out exactly how to get out of that what I need
[17:41] <zeorin> If you know of any clear instructions online somewhere that would be A+
[17:42] <zeorin> BTW, thanks for responding, I've asked several questions in this channel (even before the festive times), and even though there's many users logged in, no one has ever answered :)
[17:51] <zeorin> rootstock seemed to have failed, I can't find a qemu-debootstrap package
[17:53] <infinity> zeorin: What was wrong with using ubuntu-core, exactly?
[17:54] <zeorin> no wifi support included, afaik... If you know a way to add that after install then I would be happy :)
[17:54] <infinity> The "LC_ALL=C.UTF-8" bit should be entirely unnecessary for an upgrade, unless you were just trying to avoid Perl being a bit verbose because you SSHed in from a machine that set a different locale.
[17:54] <zeorin> well, you see it was necessary because the initial image and installation instructions I had never had it set... Also reconfiguring locales didn't help
[17:55] <infinity> No, I mean it's was unnecessary.  As in, not necessary.  What made you think it was?
[17:55] <zeorin> do-release-upgrade would fail without it (indeed it was perl complaining), but I was doing this directly on the machine, not through ssh
[17:55] <infinity> perl complaining won't cause do-release-upgrade to fail.
[17:55] <infinity> It's just annoyingly verbose warnings.
[17:56] <infinity> If there's actually a problem with upgrading in LANG=C, we'd appreciate bug reports.
[17:56] <zeorin> It would fail without it. I spent a whole day finding the LC_ALL fix...
[17:56] <zeorin> the install is a bit of a hack because it used an armhf image initially created for AC100, a 12.04 image
[17:56] <infinity> Forgive my skepticism, given that all the buildd chroots auto-upgrade all day long and run in LANG=C.
[17:57] <zeorin> It's cool :)
[17:57] <infinity> But yeah, the wireless thing is an issue.  I remember that when I had an ac100.
[17:57] <infinity> And I've also completely forgotten which special packages it wanted...
[17:58] <infinity> Oh, right, crda
[17:58] <zeorin> how would I get wireless support enabled after using core? I read something about grabbing the wifitools and wpa_supplicant packages and installing them manually after transferring them onto the device, but are those the only packages?
[18:00] <infinity> No, you probably also want wireless-crda, crda, and all the packages they depend on.  Though, that depends on the kernel driver, not all of them need those.
[18:01] <zeorin> I think I'm way out of my depth here...
[18:01] <zeorin> it's a broadcom 4329 wifi+bluetooth chip
[18:40] <iceroot> hi
[18:41] <iceroot> does the arm version include ALL FOSS programs from the repos? if i got it correct only the non-free part like flash, skype and other stuff you dont want is missing
[18:44] <iceroot> and if i got it correct, i can download all source-packages (which will result in the *all.deb) and rebuild them on arm with dpkg-buildpackage, right?


[13:49] <zzarr> hello!
[13:51] <zzarr> I'm trying to configure qt (Src/configure), I'm building it for cross compilation x86-64 to armhf, it works if I don't have -ssl or -openssl specified
[13:51] <zzarr> but if I specify -openssl I get ERROR: Feature 'openssl' was enabled, but the pre-condition '!features.securetransport && (features.openssl-linked || libs.openssl_headers)' failed.
[14:11] <mitya57> zzarr: that's a question for #qt
[14:12] <mitya57> But maybe installing libssl-dev:armhf will help?
[14:27] <zzarr> mitya57: it says unable to locate package libssl:armhf (is it only arm, do I need to add the architecture manually)?
[14:27] <zzarr> I was sent here from #qt
[14:28] <zzarr> lisandro told me to ask in this channel
[14:28] <zzarr> he said that you where the one to ask too
[14:30] <zzarr> I have a chroot with arm in (I use qemu-arm-static), would the openssl lib (libssl.so.1.1) from that help?
[14:31] <lisandro> zzarr: ahh, you did not told me the chroot part
[14:32] <lisandro> back to#qt
[14:59] <mitya57> You are building upstream source, not Debian package, that's why it's better to ask upstream and not me.
[15:00] <mitya57> In case packages are uninstallable, that maybe our problem though. But there is no package named libssl. Why are you trying to install it? You need libssl-dev.
[15:01]  * mitya57 was not on #qt until now so doesn't know if you have already resolved it
[15:01] <mitya57> zzarr: ^^^


[21:48] <BobSapp> sometimes when you change the resolution, the screen borders need adjusting
[21:48] <flipstar> damn where do i get net-snmp-config.h from? just get these messages.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53986/
[21:49] <BobSapp> but some resolutions arent availiable at certain refresh rates
[21:49] <Angelus> yeah BobSapp ,. but i used to think that the way to adjust it was to change the refresh rate lol
[21:49] <BobSapp> so probably you chose a higher refresh rate that reduced resolution, making a resolution change, that caused the borders to need realignment
[21:49] <BobSapp> now you know!
[21:50] <LinuX-Man1ak> where are you from :))
[21:50] <Angelus> yeah hopefully
[21:50] <flipstar> i would appreciate any tipps ..
[21:51] <Angelus> well but i do have another problem BobSapp , i chose 75Hz fron nvidia-settings, but somehow kde is still showing that im using 52Hz, which should i believe?
[21:51] <BobSapp> does your screen menu show the current refresh rate?
[21:51] <flipstar> did you closed and reopend that kde app ?
[21:51] <nonhorifugio> where is kubuntu ita???
[21:51] <BobSapp> mine does
[21:52] <nonhorifugio> room
[21:52] <flipstar> !it | nonhorifugio
[21:52] <ubotu> nonhorifugio: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:52] <LinuX-Man1ak> is there a kubuntu forums like ubuntuforums.org ?
[21:52] <BobSapp> Angelus: what does your screen tell you on its menu?
[21:52] <Angelus> hmm
[21:52] <Angelus> in the middle of the menu there is
[21:53] <Angelus> H: 60. 0KHz and V: 74.9 Hz
[21:53] <Angelus> so i think it is using 75 Hz
[21:53] <BobSapp> sounds like ur at 75 hz then
[21:53] <BobSapp> yeah
[21:53] <flipstar> 74.9 ;)
[21:53] <BobSapp> mine is at 60hz on the right
[21:53] <flipstar> got 85
[21:53] <LinuX-Man1ak> mine's 85 :D
[21:53] <BobSapp> lol nice
[21:53] <BobSapp> im using twinview so i cant go that high on both screens
[21:53] <Angelus> then why the hell is kde showing that im using 52?
[21:53] <Angelus> O-o
[21:53] <BobSapp> stale/old settings?
[21:54] <Angelus> what? :o
[21:54] <BobSapp> probably it will reflect the changes once you restart x by logging in/out
[21:54] <Angelus> i dunno
[21:54] <Angelus> lemme try
[21:54] <Angelus> brb
[21:54] <flipstar> hm he forgot to save those settings ..
[21:54] <BobSapp> lol
[21:55] <BobSapp> probably if he was using nvidia settings
[21:55] <BobSapp> he just   clicked apply
[21:55] <BobSapp> maybe
[21:56] <uxi> ok, what do i need to do in kubuntu to be able to run # make menuconfig      it fails ugly
[21:57] <BobSapp> well ima go have a bath while this installs lol
[21:58] <donah> hi all. I'm looking for help with ltsp on a kubuntu server...
[21:58] <LinuX-Man1ak> so.... is there something like kubuntu forums ??
[21:59] <tekteen> You could ask the question here or on the ubuntu fourms
[21:59] <Angelus> im back
[21:59] <Angelus> 85Hz became available
[21:59] <Angelus> and i chose it
[21:59] <Angelus> restarted X
[22:00] <Angelus> kde is still saying 50Hz O_o
[22:00] <LinuX-Man1ak> i wasnt reading ... are you using nvidia card ?
[22:00] <Angelus> yeah
[22:00] <snarkster> LinuX-Man1ak: yes there is a kubuntu forum
[22:01] <LinuX-Man1ak> @Angelus, look this post
[22:01] <LinuX-Man1ak> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3878483&postcount=4
[22:01] <LinuX-Man1ak> it's on ubuntu but it's going to fix it
[22:02] <LinuX-Man1ak> @snarkster: can you give me a link ?
[22:02] <LinuX-Man1ak> sorry for my bad english ;]
[22:02] <val0> what shell does ubuntu come with stock?
[22:03] <Angelus> ah
[22:03] <tekteen> val0: bash?
[22:03] <Angelus> so its Dynamic Twinview that makes kde report bad refresh rates
[22:03] <Angelus> !!!!!!!!!!
[22:03] <tekteen> Is that your question?
[22:04] <LinuX-Man1ak> yep :)
[22:04] <val0> tekteen: that's what i thought :S
[22:04] <val0> tekteen: just argueing with someone :D
[22:04] <tekteen> val0: ok
[22:04] <tekteen> :-D
[22:04] <Angelus> what is twinview anyway?
[22:04] <flipstar> anyone knows something about net-snmp ? im getting this error messages ...... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53986/
[22:05] <LinuX-Man1ak> i have to idea :D
[22:05] <LinuX-Man1ak> no*
[22:05] <val0> tekteen: how've you been? i miss that guy who was on here for two days straight asking questions like there is no tomorrow
[22:05] <tekteen> lol
[22:05] <tekteen> good
[22:05] <tekteen> lets go to ot
[22:06] <flipstar> hm
[22:06] <val0> k
[22:08] <LinuX-Man1ak> i'm going to sleep. good night
[22:08] <LinuX-Man1ak> :)
[22:09] <Dalai> nighty
[22:11] <snarkster> im out to play with wine.. ttyl
[22:11] <Angelus> i discovered the max refresh rate of my monitor was 85hz , cause when i tried 87 its started to flicker
[22:12] <flipstar> oO
[22:12] <Angelus> but anyways thanks for the lesson BobSapp[afk] and flipstar
[22:12] <trojan_> Hello
[22:12] <trojan_> Who can tell how to install my Wifi driver
[22:13] <trojan_> it is a Broadban 1390
[22:14] <justin__> hi all
[22:16] <vege> if someone has a few minutes spare
[22:16] <vege> I need some help to install punkbuster updates to a game
[22:16] <vege> unsure how =P
[22:17] <Dalai> hmm what program should i use to install a file that is in x86.run format
[22:18] <BobSapp[afk]> congats Angelus
[22:18] <flipstar> just ./x86.run
[22:18] <flipstar> make it exec-able before ..
[22:18] <vege> flipstar me ol' mate  ; )
[22:18] <justin__> does anyone have any suggestions concerning compiling your own kernel
[22:19] <flipstar> hi vege
[22:19] <jpatrick> !kernel
[22:19] <vege> help me update punkbuster?  needs to be done manually, I have the setup for it
[22:19] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[22:19] <jpatrick> justin__: there :)^
[22:19] <vege> hi justin
[22:20] <justin__> do you get much better response out of it or is it worthless to compile your own
[22:22] <flipstar> you can build your own modules in .. and make it much smaller
[22:22] <flipstar> costumize it to your hardware ..
[22:24] <vege> I've given the file executable permisssion and have cd to the pb folder, which holds the update
[22:24] <vege> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53989/
[22:24] <vege> it doesn't run
[22:25] <vege> need caffeine, brb 2 min
[22:25] <flipstar> try sh ./<package>
[22:25] <cn28h> How can I set compose/dead keys? I know how to do it in the defauolt KDE configuration programs, but since kubuntu uses that other program to configure KDE I'm looking there.. but I don't see anything about it.
[22:30] <vege> error > ./pbsetup.run: 18: Syntax error: "(" unexpe
[22:30] <BobSapp> cya guys restartin
[22:32] <mkz> I'm trying to establish a pptp connection between my home and work.  I've installed network-manager-pptp and restarted knetwork-manager.  I now have an option in nm titled VPN Connections, but the only option is Disconnect VPN and it's greyed out.  I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy.  What might I be missing?
[22:32] <flipstar> there is no output when you ran ..
[22:33] <flipstar> vege: ..try without sudo
[22:33] <vege> I did, I ran >  vege@ORAC:~/ET/pb$ sh ./pbsetup.run
[22:34] <flipstar> without sh ... >_<
[22:34] <vege> lol
[22:34] <vege> ege@ORAC:~/ET/pb$  ./pbsetup.run
[22:34] <vege> ??
[22:34] <flipstar> yup
[22:34] <mkz> more info: when I enter settings and select VPN connection | add I get a create new CPN connection dialog, but only PPP service is listed and there is a message that no configuration interface has been found.
[22:34] <justin__> how do i compile a program from source.  i tried to d/l a program but they didnt have it for my distro.
[22:34] <vege> result >>  vege@ORAC:~/ET/pb$
[22:35] <flipstar> mkz: you try to etablish an vpn ?
[22:35] <flipstar> !compile | justin__
[22:35] <ubotu> justin__: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[22:36] <flipstar> vege: ..nothing .. ?
[22:37] <vege> nothing
[22:37] <mkz> flipstar: yes. The forums suggest that knetworkmanager has a bug and does not permit me to configure a pptp connection.  It's suggesting that I install nm-applet, but I'm not able to find nm-applet in aptitude...
[22:37] <flipstar> vege: there was no decribtion on the website ?
[22:38] <vege> ok, there's another pf file I will try that one
[22:38] <vege> I may have to go looking for it flipstar
[22:38] <justin__> i did a ./configure and it said that the "c compiler cannot create executables"  any advice on how to fix this
[22:38] <flipstar> yes read that site and install build-essentials
[22:39] <justin__> ok
[22:39] <mkz> build-essential (no s)
[22:40] <flipstar> mkz: but knetworkmanager cant build an vpn connection .. ?
[22:40] <flipstar> use secvpn for that or similar
[22:40] <mkz> flipstar: nope
[22:40] <flipstar> or try network-manager-openvpn
[22:40] <hola> why im not able to share my ppp0 interface with my virtual machine
[22:40] <nuno_> I need some help with compiz fusion
[22:41] <flipstar> hola: is your using vmware ?
[22:41] <flipstar> !compiz | nuno_
[22:41] <ubotu> nuno_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:41] <hola> flipstar: vbox
[22:41] <flipstar> hm dont know that
[22:41] <vege> @flipstar >>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53990/
[22:41] <vege> it's running
[22:41] <flipstar> great
[22:42] <vege> for some reason the newer version was having problems
[22:42] <flipstar> mkz: maybe you got more luck with that extension..
[22:42] <vege> the old one is going
[22:42] <mkz> I will try the network-manager-openvpn (instead of network-manager-pptp) and let you know
[22:42] <flipstar> great
[22:43] <vege> I've been using Linux only 2 days
[22:43] <vege> this is a bit frustrating but fun too
[22:43] <hola> flipstar: it is not important to know a specific tools, the important is to understand how to share a internet connection vitha virtual machine
[22:44] <mkz> vege: it gets better.  And if you are having fun now, just wait... :)
[22:44] <flipstar> you could improve you knowledge by take a look at http://download.galileo-press.de/openbook/linux/galileocomputing_linux.zip ;) vege
[22:44] <vege> your writing in red text to me is private message?
[22:44] <flipstar> yes but in vmware (which i did used some time ago) it was pretty easy
[22:44] <vege> I need to register to pm?
[22:45] <justin__> terminal says i need glib 2.0 development headers what is the package called so apt can go get it
[22:45] <flipstar> no but your name is in there so it is highlighted
[22:45] <flipstar> maybe it is called little bit different justin__
[22:45] <justin__> ok
[22:45] <flipstar> try glib-dev or so
[22:45] <justin__> i am very new at this
[22:45] <justin__> ok
[22:46] <vege> thnx flip, downloading Ark
[22:46] <justin__> that is not it
[22:46] <justin__> hmmmm
[22:46] <flipstar> libglib-dev ?
[22:47] <flipstar> it is libglib2.0-dev
[22:47] <BobSapp> ok ive started my kubuntu install guess what?
[22:47] <justin__> ok
[22:47] <BobSapp> i have black borders on the side of the screen lol
[22:47] <vege> when I installed Kubuntu 7.10 I had to disable my ethernet port
[22:47] <vege> there was a message about security settings
[22:47] <flipstar> BobSapp: wtf oO
[22:48] <vege> how do I know if security is all good now?
[22:48] <BobSapp> but more importantly no boot loader was installed is there a way to setup grub/lilo from kde?
[22:48] <flipstar> !grub | BobSapp
[22:48] <ubotu> BobSapp: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:48] <BobSapp> flipstar: ty
[22:48] <justin__> what about gtk 2 dev headers what is the pkg name
[22:49] <flipstar> try apt-cache search <package_name>
[22:49] <justin__> i dont know the package name
[22:49] <flipstar> yes you do
[22:49] <flipstar> gtk 2 dev
[22:50] <flipstar> its not the exactly name but enough for apt-cache search
[22:51] <flipstar> hm bad example maybe you should type gtk-dev
[22:51] <justin__> no luck
[22:51] <justin__> all i want to do is install pidgin.....
[22:52] <justin__> but i need to learn so...
[22:52] <flipstar> libgtk2.0-dev ..
[22:52] <flipstar> piding rocks once it is installed :)
[22:52] <flipstar> but why dont you install from adept ?
[22:52] <justin__> i want to learn how to compile
[22:53] <flipstar> oh
[22:53] <flipstar> than you also have to learn how to solve depencies ..
[22:53] <justin__> does it have myspace messenger capabilities
[22:54] <justin__> is there a script or prog that will do this automatically
[22:54] <flipstar> yes..
[22:54] <flipstar> adept_manager
[22:54] <justin__> lol
[22:55] <firephoto> justin__: you might try the package from hardy first instead of compiling.
 i want to learn how to compile
[22:55] <vege> could someone please look at this?  >>
[22:55] <vege> give pbweb.x86 chmod +x
[22:55] <vege> I need to chmod that file
[22:56] <vege> not sure how to
[22:56] <flipstar> you got an graphical operating system .. just right click on it ..
[22:56] <D0nMcN> Hey guys, need some help installing Kubuntu. I'm on it right now on Konversation, I setup my partitions on qtparted, and they are correctly made, I am sure of it, althought I am going through the manual mode in installation, and I click next and it gives me this message: "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[22:57] <philipp_> he
[22:57] <philipp_> yhey
[22:57] <BudgetDedicated> you need to define the mountpoint for /
[22:57] <philipp_> hey
[22:57] <philipp_> i use debian
[22:57] <D0nMcN> Can you explain how to do that
[22:57] <D0nMcN> the mount point for the ext3 partition is /media/sda2
[22:58] <vege> right click on it and??
[22:58] <BudgetDedicated> I do not know by heart, but you should select the partition get the options select "use as ext3" and there you can choose the mountpoint
[22:58] <vege> properties?  permissions??
[22:58] <flipstar> property
[22:58] <D0nMcN> okay, set the mount point to /
[22:58] <flipstar> than permissions :)
[22:58] <D0nMcN> ?
[22:58] <BudgetDedicated> yes set to /
[22:58] <vege> can't see any reference to chmod
[22:58] <D0nMcN> oh, thank you
[22:58] <D0nMcN> was set to /media/sda2
[22:58] <D0nMcN> does the swap partition need to be set at a mount point?
[22:59] <flipstar> no
[22:59] <D0nMcN> thanks
[22:59] <flipstar> just as swap
[22:59] <BudgetDedicated> yea because it already existed when you booted up. It will not by default destroy existing partitions
[22:59] <flipstar> filesystem:swap
[22:59] <vege> set all to write?
[22:59] <justin__> after i run ./configure then i run make then makeinstall
[22:59] <justin__> correct??
[22:59] <D0nMcN> yay, it is working now
[22:59] <vege> read, write and exec?
[22:59] <flipstar> no just check exec ..
[22:59] <D0nMcN> thanks a lot guys
[22:59] <BudgetDedicated> good luck D0nMcN
[22:59] <vege> all already checked exec
[23:00] <D0nMcN> thanks, bye for now, i'm sure i'll be here sooner or later again, i'm new to Linux
[23:00] <D0nMcN> lol
[23:00] <flipstar> gl
[23:00] <flipstar> vege: sry what you wanted to do ?
[23:00] <vege> please check here, the solution >>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608466
[23:00]  * D0nMcN waves, "bye!"
[23:00] <eean> is there a way to get the livecd to boot to KDM instead of loading KDE?
[23:00] <justin__> do yall suggest custom compile or adept
[23:01] <flipstar> eean: kdm is the login and session manager kde the windows decorator ..
[23:01] <eean> flipstar: yes, I want the login.
[23:01] <eean> I just want to a XDMCP dumb client livecd, a lot more complicated idea then I though :/
[23:01] <eean> then I thought
[23:02] <flipstar> i think xorg and staff i generated during boot with an live cd .. but i dont know
[23:02] <flipstar> *is
[23:03] <eean> um yea
[23:03] <eean> but the livecd boots a desktop
[23:03] <flipstar> right
[23:03] <hola> someone know how to share ppp0 interface with a virtual machine
[23:03] <eean> I'd have to logout to get kdm
[23:03] <eean> I don't want to do that :)
[23:03] <vege> flip?
[23:04] <flipstar> hm? you are in kdm when you see the desktop
[23:04] <eean> no, no you're not
[23:04] <eean> :|
[23:04] <flipstar> sry i dont want to read that
[23:04] <eean> I'm out
[23:04] <vege> it's very short
[23:04] <flipstar> kdm is the session manager ..
[23:04] <vege> 1 post
[23:04] <vege> 1st post
[23:05] <justin__> this takes a while to make
[23:05] <flipstar> vege: so did you do that ?
[23:05] <vege> I don't know how to
[23:06] <flipstar> you already did that +x
[23:06] <vege> I just copied that pb file into the ET folder
[23:06] <flipstar> (exec)
[23:06] <flipstar> just do it as describet there
[23:06] <vege> I tried to run it but it wasn't in et folder, only in the pb folder
[23:07] <flipstar> you dont have to run
[23:07] <flipstar> just launch the game
[23:07] <vege> sudo ./pbweb.x86 chmod +x
[23:07] <vege> ??
[23:07] <flipstar> you already did that
[23:07] <flipstar> thats what exec is about
[23:07] <flipstar> you checked that right ?
[23:08] <vege> I ran the game and it gives me the violation 200004
[23:08] <flipstar> did you changed permissions ?
[23:08] <vege> yes
[23:08] <flipstar> hmpf
[23:08] <vege> I will run that update from the ET folder too
[23:09] <vege> I ran it from it's default pb folder
[23:09] <vege> it's running now
[23:10] <vege> I know I manually changed permissions on that file
[23:10] <vege> please tell what is the console command to do that
[23:10] <justin__> can i use pidgin with kde??
[23:11] <tim_> yo
[23:11] <Flare183> justin__: yeap
[23:11] <tim_> can some 1 help me my sound doesnt work
[23:11] <tim_> and idk why
[23:11] <Flare183> justin__: kopete is prefered
[23:11] <justin__> i compiled and installed it then went to the menu and clicked it but nothing happened
[23:12] <justin__> kopete doesnt support myspace messenger
[23:12] <flipstar> try it in a console ..there you have more output
[23:12] <ppibburr> justin__ try it from the the command line
[23:12] <hola> someone know how to share ppp0 interface with a virtual machine
[23:12] <justin__> type pidgin??
[23:12] <ppibburr> yup
[23:12] <vege> I'm a reboot
[23:12] <tim_> flipstar:  can u help me with my sound issue
[23:12] <Marcin> hallo, kann ich mit einem nicht installiertem kubuntu eine festplatte fromatieren, auf der windows ist
[23:13] <justin__> this is the output pidgin: error while loading shared libraries: libpurple.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:13] <flipstar> tim_: you checked kmix ?
[23:13] <flipstar> !de | Marcin
[23:13] <ubotu> Marcin: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[23:13] <tim_> yea i put the stuff up if it wasnt
[23:13] <tim_> kmix is up all the way...
[23:13] <flipstar> did it ever worked ?
[23:14] <tim_> it did
[23:14] <tim_> one day
[23:14] <justin__> can someone help
[23:14] <tim_> and idk why it stoped
[23:14] <justin__> this is what the terminal output said pidgin: error while loading shared libraries: libpurple.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:15] <Marcin> flipstar
[23:15] <flipstar> what ?
[23:15] <Marcin> can i formate a hdd with a non installed kubuntu?
[23:15] <Marcin> on the hdd is windows
[23:15] <flipstar> win is ntfs..so it isnt recomment
[23:15] <ppibburr> non installeD? live?
[23:15] <flipstar> why dont using windows cd ?
[23:15] <Marcin> dont know how :(
[23:16] <Marcin> yeah, i mean live
[23:16] <flipstar> tim_: what is idk ?
[23:16] <SoopaDoopaFAI> ntm
[23:16] <tim_> flipstar:  i dont know
[23:16] <flipstar> oh
[23:16] <tim_> flipstar:  it used ot do the sounds on boot etc
[23:16] <chris__> How can I get Flash working with Konqueror?  (64bit)
[23:16] <Marcin> i want to formate the hdd and than use it as second hdd
[23:16] <flipstar> !flash | chris__
[23:16] <ubotu> chris__: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash - The Flash package is currently BROKEN, see « /msg ubotu FlashIssues »
[23:16] <ppibburr> reinstall as 32bit
[23:17] <flipstar> so it just worked one day ....... oO tim_
[23:17] <tim_> flipstar:  ive had linux for 3 days and sound worked for one day
[23:17] <chris__> flipstar: Flashplugin-nonfree package is broken, also it wouldn't download via Konqueror
[23:17] <chris__> And I'm not going to reinstall a 32-bit operating system.
[23:17] <chris__> When I Have a 64bit
[23:18] <miladen> how do i unrar an archive with password?
[23:18] <flipstar> Marcin: if you want to format then this is easily
[23:18] <vege> still getting that punkbuster error message  =(
[23:18] <flipstar> miladen: using unrar or file-roller
[23:18] <miladen> unrar mosfv.part1.rar password?
[23:18] <flipstar> no
[23:19] <flipstar> without
[23:19] <miladen> what then?
[23:19] <flipstar> you have to enter later
[23:19] <tim_> flipstar: http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=205&product=14103
[23:19] <miladen> ok thx
[23:19] <miladen> doesnt work
[23:19] <flipstar> what..?
[23:19] <miladen> unrar mosfv.part1.rar doesnt work
[23:19] <flipstar> any msg ?
[23:19] <flipstar> oh yes.. unrar e of xourse
[23:19] <miladen> just shows all unrar commands
[23:19] <miladen> ok
[23:21] <tim_> flipstar:  any ideas?
[23:21] <chris__> Where can I find the wallpapers used in KDE 4?
[23:21] <flipstar> so theres nothing muted in 'alsamixer' ?
[23:21] <tim_> i jsut downloaded a package to help with sound drivers
[23:21] <tim_> i think
[23:22] <tim_> but do i gotta reboot to get them to work??
[23:23] <flipstar> you could restart that sound server
[23:23] <flipstar> does sudo asoundconf list detect your card ?
[23:23] <tim_> flipstar:  how
[23:23] <flipstar> systemsettings->advanced->services
[23:24] <tim_> flipstar:  yes
[23:25] <tim_> flipstar:  what am i lookinf for on system servies
[23:26] <flipstar> dont know maybe esd or something with sound .......
[23:26] <chris__> Does anyone have a source that has KDE 4 SVN?
[23:26] <chris__> that automaticly updates weekly?
[23:26] <chris__> I want the bleeding edge KDE 4.
[23:26] <flipstar> 4.0.1 will be released soon
[23:26] <chris__> when?
[23:26] <flipstar> 6.01
[23:27] <g2g591> chris__: just do an svn checkout yourself
[23:27] <flipstar> tagging is tomorrow
[23:27] <chris__> That's quite a ways off.
[23:27] <chris__> I don't know how to do svn checkouts.
[23:27] <flipstar> svc -co ...
[23:27] <flipstar> *svn
[23:27] <g2g591> chris__: svn co blablah
[23:27] <g2g591> chris__: ill give you a link
[23:28] <tim_> flipstar:  cant find it
[23:28] <flipstar> nothing with sound ?
[23:28] <chris__> I want the full KDE 4.x experience from SVN, how do I know what files to do?
[23:28] <g2g591> chris__: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[23:29] <justin_> anyone know anything about the wusb54g drivers and toshiba specific pathces
[23:32] <justin_> anyone know anything about the linksys wusb54g network adapter
[23:33] <D0nMcN> Hey guys, just got Kubuntu 7.10 installed, and its working perfectly :)
[23:33] <D0nMcN> Now, can you tell me something: I want to share files between Windows and Kubuntu on another partition on my single drive, what filesystem would I use? FAT32?
[23:34] <chris__> For the Server or your own PC?
[23:34] <D0nMcN> My own PC
[23:34] <sigma16> ok
[23:34] <sigma16> flipstar:  no luck
[23:34] <D0nMcN> I have 3 partitions already
[23:34] <sigma16> flipstar:  i cant get my sound to work >_<
[23:34] <sigma16> flipstar:  i did restart it
[23:35] <flipstar> your onboard soundcard is disabled ?
[23:36] <D0nMcN> How can I get to where my devices are listed?
[23:36] <sigma16> flipstar:  yes my broken onboard one is disabled
[23:36] <marx2k> Hm, doesnt look  like KDE4 is in my Session Options anymore
[23:36] <marx2k> wtd
[23:36] <flipstar> sudo fdisk -l or systemsetting>advanced>harddrive
[23:37] <marx2k> wtf
[23:38] <sigma16> ??????????????????
[23:38] <sigma16> flipstar: ????
[23:38] <flipstar> what ?
[23:38] <sigma16> help?:(
[23:38] <flipstar> did you tried google ?
[23:39] <sigma16> no help
[23:39] <sigma16> it says my sound card is supported
[23:39] <sigma16> dats all i got
[23:39] <sigma16> google doesnt like me
[23:39] <flipstar> oO
[23:39] <flipstar> http://www.google.de/search?q=soundblaster+no+sound+ubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a
[23:39] <flipstar> try this
[23:39] <sigma16> in english?
[23:40] <flipstar> it is
[23:40] <sigma16> how to get rid of digital out?
[23:41] <flipstar> via kmix or alsamixer
[23:41] <sigma16> no duh but where
[23:42] <flipstar> kmix>rightclick>select volumethings>switches
[23:43] <sigma16> i dont have that...
[23:44] <adrock358> HEY.  what's the best DVD burning software out there?
[23:44] <flipstar> k3b no clue
[23:45] <adrock358> how about for windows>?
[23:45] <flipstar> for what ?
[23:45] <adrock358> i'm in a media lab now and only have my live cd
[23:45] <adrock358> ...yes...i know...i'm sorry
[23:45] <adrock358> the media center ahs a class
[23:45] <adrock358> is there anything decent for windows?
[23:46] <flipstar> ..nero is great
[23:46] <Dr_willis> adrock358,   You are meaning softeare to take video files and make a dvd-video disk?
[23:46] <adrock358> wr....yes
[23:46] <adrock358> sopranos season 1
[23:46] <Dr_willis> People often over look that technicially thats not 'burning' :)  thats video conversion
[23:46] <Dr_willis> !find devd
[23:46] <ubotu> File devd found in udev
[23:46] <adrock358> for windows bro
[23:47] <Dr_willis> nero does it as a 2 step process also.
[23:47] <adrock358> i'll do nero.  thank you!
[23:47] <Dr_willis> !info devede
[23:47] <ubotu> devede (source: devede): program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[23:47] <adrock358> good one
[23:47] <Dr_willis> That one can do it. But it depends on what you want to do.
[23:47] <Dr_willis> The Devil is in the details.
[23:47] <flipstar> tolate
[23:47] <D0nMcN> Is there a way I can run DirectX 8 programs on Kubuntu 7.10?
[23:48] <Dr_willis> I still havent gotten my $50 mail in rebate from Nero
[23:48] <flipstar> try cadega
[23:48] <Dr_willis> wine supports DX8 i belive
[23:48] <Dr_willis> and cedega
[23:48] <D0nMcN> are they both free?
[23:48] <Dr_willis> !wine
[23:48] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[23:48] <flipstar> cadega not
[23:48] <Dr_willis> cedega is comercial. its a enhanced wine.
[23:48] <wzmocniony> Ãîñïîäà, êàêîé êîìïèëÿòîð C++ äëÿ NetBeans ïîäîéä¸ò ?
[23:48] <Dr_willis> Check that app database for your game to see how well wine supporta it
[23:48] <bipolar> D0nMcN: Wine is. and it's good enough to run quite a few games. I use it to play WoW every damn day :P
[23:49] <PriceChild> !en | wzmocniony
[23:49] <ubotu> wzmocniony: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[23:49] <D0nMcN> I'm looking to play a game called There which requires DirectX 8
[23:49] <D0nMcN> and my Windows supports it fine
[23:49] <bipolar> << WoW addict.. pitty me...
[23:49] <wzmocniony> PriceChild | ru
[23:49] <bipolar> D0nMcN: unless it's listed in the Wine compatibility list, the only way to know is to try installing it.
[23:49] <PriceChild> wzmocniony, /join #ubuntu-ru
[23:50] <wzmocniony> PriceChild | thnx
[23:50] <sigma16> flip
[23:50] <D0nMcN> can you tell me where the wine compatibility list is?
[23:50] <bascule> winhq.org
[23:50] <bipolar> D0nMcN: go to winehq.org, there is a link to it there
[23:51] <bipolar> D0nMcN: and don't use the version of Wine thats in the ubuntu repo, on winehq.org there is a doc on how to get the latest version.
[23:51] <adrock358> Dr_willis.  can you split torrents into different parts?
[23:51] <sigma16> flipstar:  i pmed u
[23:51] <flipstar> but latest isnt always the best ..
[23:52] <adrock358> flipstar. can you split torrents into different parts?
[23:52] <flipstar> why did you do this sigma16 ?
[23:53] <flipstar> you can select only parts to download .. yes
[23:53] <adrock358> thank you
[23:53] <sigma16> flipstar:  it frustrates me to see what i say blown off the screen when others talk or leave or join...
[23:54] <sigma16> flipstar:  which often leaves me repeating myself 2 or 3 times...
[23:54] <flipstar> dont think no one reads you message
[23:54] <adrock358> sigma16.  relax guy.  it's free chat
[23:54] <adrock358> this help is free.  that means for no money.  thank you to flipstar for even being here.
[23:54] <sigma16> adrock358:  didnt say u couldnt talk just wished to talk in priv cuz im frustrated... i dont like irc in the first place....
[23:54] <flipstar> !repeat > sigma16
[23:55] <mjwild> I get the error
[23:55] <mjwild> Errors were encountered while processing:
[23:55] <mjwild>  timidity
[23:55] <sigma16> flipstar: ..... i dont need that....
[23:55] <sigma16> im on that now
[23:55] <sigma16> and thats got me some were else i need help
[23:55] <flipstar> what did you tried mjwild ?
[23:55] <D0nMcN> is there an Internet Explorer for Kubuntu 7.10? the online game I want to play requires it, as it uses it in a lot of things
[23:55] <sigma16> it says im not a priviledged superuser
[23:55] <adrock358> well that's the problme (and i mean no offense.  and I am not trying to be-rate you)
[23:55] <bascule> sigma16: feel free to leave IRC if you don't like it, forum posts don't disappear as fast
[23:56] <flipstar> D0nMcN: you can configure konqueror for acting like ie
[23:56] <mjwild> when i do updaTES IT GIVES ME THAT ERROR
[23:56] <flipstar> also firefox
[23:56] <sigma16> bascule: yea but ur less likely to get help there... forum use is the reason why it took me 6 months to get net on my pc...
[23:56] <sigma16> bascule:  in the end it was my friend i talk to on the net who fixed my net in under 4 hours... when people on the forums couldnt help me for months...
[23:57] <sub[t]rnl> !patience | sigma16
[23:57] <ubotu> sigma16: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:57] <D0nMcN> flipstar: can you tell me how to configure Konqueror to act like IE?
[23:57] <adrock358> flipstar.  thanks for the help guy.  i appreciate it very, very much.  even if other people may not appreciate it as much
[23:57] <bascule> sigma16: in the best possible way, patience is an important factor, no one is the centre of everything
[23:57] <sigma16> bascule is ignored...
[23:57] <flipstar> D0nMcN: settings>browser identify
[23:57] <flipstar> but it just pretends
[23:58] <flipstar> great idea sigma16
[23:58] <sigma16> ?
[23:58] <sigma16> flipstar: what is...
[23:58] <flipstar> sigma16!* auf die Ignorieren-Liste gesetzt.
[23:58] <D0nMcN> flipstar: there is no settings>browser identify
[23:58] <bascule> cool then you won't see me being honest enough to say I can't stand uppity ego-tripping attebtion demanding idiots throwing tantrums cause they don't get a whole IRC chan to stop dead in it's tracks cause they have a feeling
[23:59] <mjwild> flipstar I ran this command and got the error sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:59] <flipstar> uhm setting->configure konqueror->browser identify or similar
[23:59] <Jucato> browser identification
[23:59] <tim_> can some 1 please help me with my sound card?