[08:54] <kjackal> Hello Juju world!
[10:30] <lazyPower> o/
[11:29] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - ping
[11:31] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Pong.
[11:31] <lazyPower> hey there, i was taking a look through the revq and landed on https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/error-message-fix/+merge/292622
[11:31] <lazyPower> i noticed  there was no feedback, and i'm curious if there is a way we can scope those tests to sync a smaller subset of the archive, so it would be feesible to gate on automated testing
[11:32] <lazyPower> as it stands right now, i'm sad that we're marking this merge as needs fixing, because the work is great, its the automated test result thats giving it grief :(
[11:33] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Yeah, it does suck. :(
[11:34] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - i'm half a mind to open an issue against the charm re: the tiemout in automated testing, and approve this mp, as it has zero to do with why its failing in CI
[11:34] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, that's probably worthwhile.
[11:34] <lazyPower> i dont think this ever passed in CI because i've been pretty lenient landing changes against it while we sorted our charm testing
[11:34] <Odd_Bloke> It's something we want to fix, but it's not high enough priority for us to actually get to it any time soon. :(
[11:35] <lazyPower> well, thats a problem :|
[11:35] <lazyPower> any chance we could get that bumped in terms of priority? maybe "soonish" rather than "not anytime soon"
[11:36] <Odd_Bloke> Honestly, probably not; the charm is only a small part of what our team works on, and everything else we're working on is to fulfil contractual obligations.
[11:37] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - do yinz run this in any kind of automated capcity on your team? mojo specs or anything like that?
[11:37] <lazyPower> if you've got passing results for me, i'll give it as pass
[11:37] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: IS deploy it using mojo etc., but I don't think we have anything running from that branch.
[11:38] <lazyPower> ok
[11:43] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - ok, i think i have enough information here to move forward. thanks for the feedback. I'll take an item to follow up with the ~charmers about scenarios like this one as well. This is known  to me having touched the charm extensively in the past, and its not fair at all to gate. This MP will wither on the vine it sounds like due to time constraints... we need to come up with something better both from the tests standpoint, and from
[11:43] <lazyPower>  our gating standpoint.
[11:45] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: Ack, thanks for spending time on it. :)
[11:45] <lazyPower> np. keep submitting quality work :)
[11:49] <lazyPower> Odd_Bloke - ah one additional line item here, once approved, we'll need you or a member of your team to sort out proper publishing of the charm (charm push). We can sort access with a launchpad team so anyone there can push, but moving forward as LP ingestion is disabled, we're left in limbo for publishing.
[11:53] <rick_h_> lazyPower: huh? how are we in limbo for charm publishing?
[11:53] <lazyPower> rick_h_ - once i approve this and push to the targeted lp branch, it isn't in the store. Its not anywhere that i can reasonably charm push.
[11:53] <lazyPower> i dont want to own it, its not my charm
[11:54] <Odd_Bloke> lazyPower: I believe rcj was working with... someone to handle that.
[12:00] <lazyPower> rick_h_ - the short story here is: there's about 30 some odd merges left in the queue, that are following the old practice of pushing into lp, and targeting the ~charmer lp branches. If the author doesn't charm push to either their namespace, or a team namespace, we're left creating teams in the store which will further continue to promote non maintainership of charms. I believe Marco/Cory brought this up in Holland
[12:01] <lazyPower> so i'm trying to circle back and help those 30 some odd merges find a proper home, and once the new queue launches (any day now i hear), this will start to just go away. the docs already reference the new publish model, so its a time-limited problem that should solve itself in short order.
[12:12] <shruthima> Hello Team, Iam trying to upgrade charm with fixpacks which is deployed from charm store. But it is showing this error  root@ubuntu:~/charms# juju upgrade-charm ibm-im --resource ibm_im_fixpack=/root/repo/agent.installer.linux.gtk.x86_64_1.8.4001.20160217_1716.zip ERROR already running latest charm "cs:~ibmcharmers/trusty/ibm-im-5" Could anyone please suggest on the same?
[12:13] <lazyPower> shruthima - correct me if I'm wrong, but all you're wanting to do is update the resource correct?
[12:14] <shruthima> no i want to update the charm installtion with fixpacks
[12:15] <shruthima> iam providing actual package from local machine
[12:15] <lazyPower> shruthima - see juju attach -h
[12:16] <lazyPower> yo udont need to upgrade the charm if you're only updating the resource, if you have an updated charm locally you will need to additionally specify the --path to use to upgrade the charm code itself,
[12:16] <lazyPower> default behavior if you've deployed from teh charm store, is to poll the charm store when you issue juju upgrade-charm, as there haven't been any additional revisions published to that channel, there's no new revision for the charm to upgrade to.
[12:16] <shruthima> ya juju attach is working fine
[12:17] <shruthima> oh k we are with the wrong assumption
[12:18] <lazyPower> shruthima - common misconception :) happy i could lend a hand though
[12:20] <shruthima> ya locally juju upgrade working fine with tha option path .thankyou
[12:44] <lazyPower> stub - are you still around?
[12:45] <stub> lazyPower: yes
[12:45] <lazyPower> stub - you broke ubuntu-repository-cache with revision 212 :(
[12:45] <lazyPower> by moving to python3, and not moving series to xenial, the charm will never work
[12:46] <stub> really?
[12:47] <lazyPower> yeah, the install hook fails 100% of the time. if you branch the current tip of whats in https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/trunk and run a deploy its beyond broke, due to moving to python3
[12:47] <stub> I get python3 on my trustys.
[12:47] <lazyPower> well, i've verified its broke by default in aws and on the lxd provider
[12:48] <lazyPower> looks like its missing python3-six, python3-yaml, and jinja
[12:48] <stub> So how do all the other charms using py3 work?
[12:48] <stub> Oh... so it needs a charmhelpers sync
[12:48] <lazyPower> more than likely
[12:48] <lazyPower> i'm trying to figure out a path to fix the CI timing out, as thats holding up a whole slew of merges for this charm
[12:49] <lazyPower> stumbled into that in the process
[12:49] <stub> I have an uncommitted merge here adding multiseries support... I might have messed up landing.
[12:50] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/ubuntu-repository-cache/+bug/1609594  was filed by jose, and i followed up with the findings
[12:50] <mup> Bug #1609594: Charm does not install python3 modules yaml and jinja2 <ubuntu-repository-cache (Juju Charms Collection):New> <ubuntu-repository-cache (Charms Xenial):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1609594>
[12:50] <stub>   Robert C Jennings 2016-07-05 Add multiseries support
[12:50] <lazyPower> to be fair, i looked for the r=  in the merge message
[12:50] <lazyPower> so, i dont mean to point a finger
[12:50] <lazyPower> <3
[12:51] <stub> yeah, I'm just trying to track down the mps.
[12:51] <stub> The fix is just resync charmhelpers, assuming no incompatibilities show up. I've seen it before.
[12:52] <lazyPower> let m finish this test run bumping the tests from series=trusty to series=xenial and i'll back out those changes and give a re-sync a go
[12:53] <stub> I committed it, but didn't publish it.
[12:53] <stub> Or I can prepare a MP with new charmhelpers.
[12:53] <lazyPower> I'll defer to your judgement, i trust ya
[12:53] <stub> https://jujucharms.com/ubuntu-repository-cache/20 has it listed as both trusty and xenial
[12:54] <stub> I think that branch might be out of date now... ut can't see the repo in the store.
[12:56] <lazyPower> yeah it looks like the charmstore metadata is missing repo and bugs-url
[12:56] <lazyPower> s/repo/homepage
[12:57] <stub> https://code.launchpad.net/~cloudware/cloudware/ubuntu-repository-cache seems to be the branch
[12:57] <lazyPower> stub - ok, so we have a few merges in the queue targeting the wrong branch :|
[12:57] <lazyPower> and you're 2 revs ahead of whats in lp:~charmers
[12:58] <stub> lazyPower: Right. But it is still in bzr, so the resubmit button should do the right thing,.
[12:58] <lazyPower> s/you're/that branch is/
[12:58] <lazyPower> hmm ok #TIL theres a resubmit button
[12:58] <lazyPower> let me see if i can help that along...
[12:59] <stub> And ~cloudware might want to review it too since they are maintaining things
[13:00] <lazyPower> lp:~daniel-thewatkins/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/error-message-fix is not mergeable into lp:~cloudware/cloudware/ubuntu-repository-cache
[13:00] <lazyPower> welp, that didnt help anything
[13:00] <stub> I've been updating the branch descriptions for moved branches and setting the branch status to Merged.
[13:02] <stub> The branches might need to be pushed to the new namespace or something equally annoying :-(
[13:02] <stub> lazyPower: ok if I edit the branch description?
[13:02] <stub> Of the ~charmers branch?
[13:03] <lazyPower> I'm fine with that
[13:03] <lazyPower> the one thing is ee as potentially problematic is that the cloudware branch is private, which means no bugs
[13:04] <lazyPower> stub thanks for lending a hand here, i see i've stumbled into a rabbit hole :)
[13:04] <stub> lazyPower: punt it to ~cloudware? ;)
[13:05] <stub> Dan and Colin should both be happy enough to shuffle branches and resubmit themselves.
[13:05] <lazyPower> works for me, i'll follow up on these MP's and wrap this up. I've got an > 1 hour invested in it already
[13:07] <stub> The description on the old branch says it is moved anyway. In small print, but it is there. https://code.launchpad.net/~charmers/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/trunk
[13:10] <lazyPower> gah, i missed that too
[13:10] <stub> Because I just added it
[13:10] <lazyPower> oh!
[13:11] <lazyPower> well, perfect :)
[13:11] <lazyPower> thanks stub
[14:29] <Prabakaran> Hello Team, Could someone please advise me on how to keep bundle stream for pushing the charms in Launchpad? For example if our product is supported on both Trusty and Xenial version how do i name the streams... is it like this https://code.launchpad.net/~<group name>/charms/bundle/<charm name>/trunk
[14:34] <rick_h_> Prabakaran: I'd suggest moving to the new publish method and not keeping the charms in that path any more
[14:35] <rick_h_> Prabakaran: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store
[14:35] <Prabakaran> k thanks rick_h_
[15:02] <tvansteenburgh> anyone have an example of setting frontend config options with the haproxy charm?
[15:11] <tvansteenburgh> never mind, looks like you just set all your options and the charm is smart enough to know which are frontend vs backend
[15:13] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh "magic" *hand wavey*
[17:23] <jhobbs> how much ram do i need for a controller machine 0?
[17:24] <jhobbs> I'm creating a VM to host it.. is 2GB enough? 4GB?
[17:26] <jrwren> jhobbs: I am not a good person to answer, but IIRC EC2 m3.large is default using that provider because of the memory usage.
[17:26] <jhobbs> jrwren: cool that's helpful, thanks
[17:27] <jhobbs> i'll go with 8
[19:25]  * D4RKS1D3 hi everyone
[19:29] <D4RKS1D3> Anyone knows if it is possible to upgrade a charm from local when you installed from the repos?
[19:30] <D4RKS1D3> Or I need to remove and install the unit?
[19:47] <beisner> hi D4RKS1D3, i think for that you can use --switch <foo> with charm upgrade.  https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/authors-charm-upgrades
[19:47] <beisner> or rather upgrade-charm --switch  :)
[19:49] <D4RKS1D3> thanks beisner
[19:50] <D4RKS1D3> I will check
[21:01] <mwenning> hi, did juju-gui change somehow?   I'm deploying juju-gui and wiki-simple using juju 2.0 on my local system - juju-gui shows nothing
[21:02] <mwenning> juju status shows all units idle and ready and I can point my browser at mediawiki fine.
[21:03] <mwenning> you can login ok, but it shows 0 machines


[08:16] <tyuiop> hi
[08:17] <tyuiop> getting this error with my site The website encountered an unexpected error. Please try again later.
[08:18] <tyuiop> when i try to fix it this command sysctl -w fs.inotify.max_user_instances=1024 on my ubuntu 9
[08:18] <tyuiop> getting message like this : sysctl: setting key "fs.inotify.max_user_instances": Read-only file system
[13:05] <xue> hi all, i was redirected here as my question concerns ubuntu-server
[13:07] <xue> i have rpi2 which i need to use with ros. To use it that way i need to be connected by wi-fi so i do use wifi dongle
[13:07] <xue> but i am unable establish connection
[13:08] <xue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xmZgCQhvkt/ here is my netplan config file, does anybody know what i might be doing wrong?
[13:09] <xue> i need also add, that while booting dongle lights up diodes but still timeouts
[13:15] <RoyK> xue: before someone elsee starts complaining, I guess this question belongs to #ubuntu-arm
[13:26] <xue> RoyK: thanks for help, it was very useful
[13:26] <xue> here, get some ++ from me
[13:26] <xue> RoyK++
[16:06] <xue> Does Ubuntu-server especially ARM comes with proprietary software of i have to enable it by hand
[16:07] <xue> it doesnt seems like its possible as rpi requires closed source software to book
[16:07] <xue> boot
[16:09] <oerheks> rasppi comes with firmware, you find the images here https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[16:09] <xue> i asked about ubuntu-server not raspian
[16:09] <xue> sorry
[16:10] <xue> i mean kernel modules required to use some USB devices
[16:10] <oerheks> that url is not raspian, it is ubuntu server build for rasppi
[16:10] <waveform> ubuntu server for pi uses the same firmware as raspbian/raspios, including the binary blobs required by the kernel for wifi+bt support (specifically, we source the binary firmware blobs from the raspberrypi github repos)
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> xue: are you having issues with an usb device specificly, if you do, perhaps elaborate more so the volunteers can try to help?
[16:11] <waveform> (I should clarify: for the built-in wifi+bt support in the 3 onwards)
[16:14] <waveform> just read the back-scroll and I see you're using a 2B with a wifi dongle. In that case, we may well differ from raspbian's kernel in support (ubuntu server for pi uses ubuntu's kernel with pi-specific patches from the pi foundation, but ultimately that means they do have different configurations)
[16:15] <xue> rlt8188, on ubuntu mate 18.04 with de i worked ootb but i cant make it work on 18.04 server
[16:15] <xue> guys from #netplan told me, that my config files are rather good
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> realtek chipset can be picky about kernel versions, you might wanna investigate dmesg xue
[16:19] <oerheks> interesting, can you paste your .yaml on paste.ubuntu.com ??
[16:19] <xue> pasted here once, and on ubuntu gerneral and arm and netplan
[16:19] <xue> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xmZgCQhvkt/
[16:19] <xue> here you are
[16:20] <oerheks> sure you installed wpasupplicant ?
[16:23] <oerheks> and are you sure wlan0 is correct?
[16:23] <oerheks> that would be the old interface naming scheme, not sure it works
[16:24] <TJ-> it's RasPi :)
[16:24] <xue> i dunno, i am tired of this shieeet, that enough at least for today
[16:25] <xue> im gonna play some gothic 2
[16:25] <xue> see ya
[19:28] <trippeh> strange, apt upgraded a 18.04 with rocket.chat snap, now snap.rocketchat-server.rocketchat-server.service just dont start and doesnt log anything. the mongo and caddy services come up fine.
[19:32] <trippeh> okay it started after switching to the stable 3.x track. lets see if it upgrades cleanly :)
[19:36] <trippeh> seems so!


[14:24] <adom> marcoceppi: hey man. have you played with Ubuntu MATE on Raspberry Pi at all? curious on how well it runs...might be just the excuse I need to buy a Pi3 finally...
[14:25] <adom> reference: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-xenial-raspberry-pi/


[04:21] <lilstevie> if someone sees twb can you tell him to ping me
[13:10] <chroot> hey, i want to know if ubuntu support arm ?
[14:09] <chroot> hi , what is the different between flash and rom?
[14:13] <lilstevie> rom is read only
[14:15] <chroot> but what is rom used for in smartphone?
[14:15] <chroot> some people say smartphone use flash as their second storage
[14:16] <lilstevie> most phones have "ROM"
[14:17] <lilstevie> it is firmware stored in flash
[14:18] <chroot> you mean that it is the same thing in smartphone?
[14:21] <lilstevie> most smart phones don't have ROM
[14:21] <lilstevie> it is just what people call the firmware
[14:22] <lilstevie> well sorry, they have some form of rom, but it is insignificantly small, like 40-60kb
[15:22] <arcaico> Hello I want to install the Sun's JVM, but I need the sun-java6-bin for arm9...anybody know something?
[18:53] <taruti> What is the proper procedure of generating a boot.scr+flashing so encrypted root is supported?
[18:54] <taruti> just giving the uuid of the luks partition is clearly not enough


[00:28] <FFForever> Hi
[00:28] <FFForever> how can i reencrypt a public key?
[00:31] <pmatulis> FFForever: what sort of key?
[00:32] <FFForever> rsa private key for ssh logins, sorry i meant private
[00:33] <pmatulis> FFForever: use '$ ssh-keygen -p'
[00:35] <pmatulis> FFForever: you don't actually re-encrypt.  you simply will be changing the passphrase to decrypt
[00:35] <FFForever> pmatulis, i already decrypted it
[00:36] <pmatulis> FFForever: just use the command i suggested.  see the man page if you like
[00:36] <FFForever> kk
[00:38] <jeeves> is there a way to allow access to the log files through the CLI (without using sudo) so I can access the log files with GL_Tail
[00:40] <pmatulis> jeeves: see 'man logrotate'
[00:42] <pmatulis> jeeves: you want to change the default mode of the log file in question
[00:43] <jeeves> pmatulis, ???
[00:49] <FFForever> how do i enable log rotations, i ran /etc/cron.daily/syslogd manually removed over a gig of logs...
[01:04] <pmatulis> FFForever-Away: it should run by default.  is it not sysklogd?
[01:32] <pmatulis>  /quit
[01:49] <FFForever> back sorry had to go
[02:48] <loongson_> 389-directory server is a successor to LDAP
[02:48] <loongson_> and packages are already available at REBU
[02:48] <loongson_> REVU
[02:49] <ScottK> loongson_: You'll probably do better to bring it up during the meeting on Tuesday.
[02:49] <FFForever> can i run a sharepoint server?
[02:49] <twb> FFForever: I'm not stopping you.
[02:50] <loongson_> Okay, Tuesday UTC1500?
[02:50] <loongson_> but it is midnight at my place
[02:50] <ScottK> That's the best chance for it.
[02:51] <ScottK> loongson_: Or maybe mail to ubuntu-server mailing list.
[02:51] <loongson_> That maybe a better idea............ I have lectures in the next morning
[03:13] <FFForever> whats wrong with my system? 462M	/var/log
[03:13] <FFForever> my local system only uses 45mb
[03:16] <FFForever> how can i remove old logs?
[03:17] <jmarsden> FFForever: The rm command works fine for removing log files, just like any other files...
[03:17] <FFForever>  78M -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm       78M 2009-07-18 19:17 syslog
[03:18] <jmarsden> As for why you got bigger logs on one machine than another, it could be you have different levels of logging configured on the two machines... or that one is rotating log files more often than the other...
[03:18] <jmarsden> Is there any content in the syslog file that suggests what the underlying issue is?
[03:19] <twb> FFForever: the problem is that logrotate is either not installed or not configured correctly.
[03:19] <FFForever> twb, how do i configure it correctly this is insane....
[03:19] <Dustan> Hello all, I am looking for some advice on backup solution for a ubuntu(lamp) vps I just set up. I'd like to do something that runs automatically (daily/weekly) downloads to my home computer.  I'm am pretty inexperienced but willing to get my hands dirty. What are my possible solutions?
[03:19] <FFForever> i should be using a default ubuntu server install
[03:19] <twb> FFForever: it is configured correctly by default.  Therefore something must have broken it.
[03:19] <FFForever> twb, how can i reconfigure it back to the default
[03:20] <twb> FFForever: in particular, make sure that cron and logrotate are installed, that crond is running, and that /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exists, that /etc/crontab will run-parts on cron.daily @daily, and that /etc/logrotate.conf is sensible.
[03:20] <Dustan> I've read that the sql databases can be difficult to backup?
[03:21] <FFForever> twb oddly it just installed
[03:21] <twb> Dustan: SQL isn't a kind of database.  It's an API for interacting with databases.
[03:21] <Dustan> I told you I was inexperienced lol.
[03:22] <Dustan> I am however learning at an accelerated rate!
[03:22] <Dustan> Jumping in the deep end.
[03:22] <twb> Dustan: a RDBMS such as PostgreSQL has files on disk, but these files are usually in an inconsistent state (e.g. due to buffering).  To back up such a database, you should use the database-specific "dump" functionality to extract a coherent backup.
[03:23] <twb> Dustan: you should probably ask your RDBMS vendor (e.g. #postgres) about how to do that.
[03:23] <jmarsden> Dustan: Or man mysqldump if you are using MySQL :)
[03:23] <Dustan> I was reading about that, you want to dump them, then backup the inage
[03:24] <twb> jmarsden: I don't think we should encourage people to use mysql :-(
[03:24] <jmarsden> twb: Original request was for backup of a LAMP stack, in which M usually represents MySQL...
[03:24] <Dustan> So I need to take special care to make sure I am backing up my databases properly, but what about the act of backing up and getting the stuff to my local computer?
[03:25] <twb> jmarsden: I missed that, sorry.
[03:26] <twb> Dustan: I tend to use rsnapshot for that, but I'm biased by way of working with its maintainer.
[03:26] <Dustan> I have seen a few tutorials on the subject, but was wondering what you guys though would be best in my scenario?
[03:26] <jmarsden> Dustan: There are many options, so many it is hard to know what you will prefer.  rsnapshot or rdiff-backup or one of many mamy otehr tools will do remote backups
[03:27] <twb> The overkill end of the spectrum is populated by amanda and such
[03:28] <twb> amanda scares the shit outta me
[03:29] <Dustan> I would probably put preference towards ease of use/configuration.
[03:30] <Dustan> I am running ubuntu at home too, so that should help a bit.
[03:31] <Dustan> let's say I go with rsnapshot, my vps dies, how difficult is it to restore?
[03:32] <Dustan> I get back to a fresh ubuntu install and upload my backup image, a little cli magic and im back?
[03:32] <jmarsden> Dustan: try rsnapshot as a place to start.  For the MySQL backups I put a script like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/221584/ into /etc/cron.daily/backup-mysql-database  and it does its thing, keeping 7 days worth of backup copies for me... adjust as necessary for your own needs, and make sure the file is chmod 0700 so only root can read it
[03:33] <Dustan> sorry if these are stupid questions
[03:33] <jmarsden> Dustan: Usually you would back up data and config files, not everything on the server... package management etc will mean you don't becessarily want to back up all installed programs etc etc. with rsnapshot.
[03:34] <jmarsden> Unless your home-to-VPS link is VERY fast, a full backup of a server could take a looong time...
[03:35] <Dustan> Ok, thank you for the clarification.
[03:35] <Dustan> Makes sense
[03:37] <Dustan> getting the packages back is pretty simple anyways, I got pretty efficient at it breaking stuff the first few days. I even made a script to do it all for me :)
[03:37] <jmarsden> Right, as long as you make and back up a list of what packages are installed, getting them all back after a fresh install is usually straightforward.
[03:39] <Dustan> Cool, thanks for the direction guys, I really appreciate it!!!, It's been a of of fun getting this all up and going.
[03:40] <jmarsden> No problem.  dpkg --get-selections will output a list of your packages, so you can redirect that to a file and then back that file up...
[04:01] <MrGlass> hi
[04:02] <MrGlass> i am having trouble install APC (for php5) and xsl
[04:11] <jmarsden> MrGlass: sudo apt-get install php-apc       # should install APC just fine...
[04:11] <jmarsden> In other words, it should install just like all other packages are installed.
[04:12] <MrGlass> right
[04:12] <MrGlass> well, actually, the guides i found online said to use pecl
[04:12] <MrGlass> so i did
[04:13] <MrGlass> but aparently i was missing apache2-dev
[04:13] <MrGlass> so it wouldnt install
[04:13] <MrGlass> still no idea on xsl though
[04:13] <jmarsden> Undo that and use the packaged version.  When it exists, always use the packaged version.
[04:13] <jmarsden> sudo apt-get install php5-xsl     shoudl handle that one...
[04:13] <jmarsden> as before... they install just like all other packages...
[04:14] <MrGlass> yay
[04:14] <MrGlass> thanks jmarsden
[04:14] <MrGlass> yeah, dunno y google didnt just show that
[04:14] <MrGlass> much easier
[04:14] <jmarsden> No problem :)  In future you can use http://packages.ubuntu.com to search for packages before you google...
[04:14] <MrGlass> lol, fair point
[04:15] <MrGlass> i was just googling the errors i got
[04:15] <jmarsden> The guides you found were for older version of Ubuntu, basically.
[04:15] <MrGlass> yeah, not surprising
[04:15] <MrGlass> btw, whats the diff between aptitude and apt-get?
[04:16] <jmarsden> They both install packages, some people liek one and some like the other... aptitude does more to help with managing dependencies than apt-get, which is great when it works and a nuisance when it doesn't quite work.
[04:16] <MrGlass> hmm, k
[04:16] <MrGlass> right, im gonna go celebrate finally getting this server configured right
[04:16] <MrGlass> while it backs up
[04:16] <MrGlass> lol
[04:16] <MrGlass> cya
[04:17] <jmarsden> Bye :)
[04:34] <Byron_> Hello everyone.
[04:35] <Byron_> I finally have my Ubuntu server running smoothly.
[04:35] <Byron_> I have 3 sites being hosted on it.
[04:35] <Byron_> Just wanted to get an idea about a book. Is the "Ubuntu 9.04 Server: Administration and Reference" a worthy purchase?
[04:51] <jmarsden> Byron_: I think it is so new that few people have read it... no reviews yet on Amazon, etc.  Maybe you can flip through it in a local brick and mortar bookstore before purchase, to make sure it suits your needs?
[04:52] <Byron_> jmarsden: That's the unfortunate part. Nobody near me carries it. I'm feeling like this book only exists in my head.
[04:53] <jmarsden> Then it's basically a US$25 gamble at this point... so if your company is paying, fine, if you are paying, maybe wait a while?
[04:54] <Byron> Checking IRC for a copy of the book so that I have something to read and better understand the server I built. I'm going about it all blindly and resolving issues, but that's only going to get me so far without knowing exactly how/why that error happened in the first place.
[04:54] <Byron> No, this book is being purchased by me.
[04:55] <jmarsden> So... have you read all the Debian and Ubuntu docs online already?  At least the Ubuntu Server Guide... ?
[04:56] <jmarsden> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/
[04:56] <Byron> No luck finding a server guide, either. I don't live in the woods for this book to be so elusive.
[04:57] <jmarsden> It is elusive because it has only been published for about six weeks :)
[04:58] <jmarsden> Read the official docs for now, and look for that book in another month or two, when it is likely to have been more widely distributed.
[04:59] <Byron> I live near the very busy part of SoCal. I'm surprised I'm not seeing at least a copy or two near me.
[05:00] <jmarsden> Understood... I'm in SoCal too... but the world of Ubuntu servers has survived for years without this particular book... so you can probably get equivalent information elsewhere, including online.
[05:23] <qman__> This is the best linux book I have, though it's not ubuntu specific:  http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781590594445
[05:24] <qman__> adapting it to ubuntu requires a little bit of experience, but it has a lot of good information
[05:28] <qman__> it covers a lot of good security practices, why they're good, and how to do them
[05:32] <Byron> Sorry, checking out the server guide online. I'll take a look at that book as well.
[05:51] <loongson_> are anyone on the MOTU team?
[05:52] <jmarsden> I wish I were... maybe one day :)  I suggest you try asking your question in #ubuntu-motu
[05:53] <loongson_> I know, I was sent here by that group
[05:53] <loongson_> Anyone who are MOTU
[05:53] <loongson_> would you please review all 389-related packages
[05:53] <loongson_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-389-directory-server
[05:54] <loongson_> in REVU?  They needs to be advocated before 389 can make it to Karmic
[05:54] <loongson_> 389 is the LDAP successor and it definitely needs to be included by Karmic
[05:56] <jmarsden> You'd probably have more success on a weekday, at a time when either the USA is mostly awake, or at a time when Europe is awake... right now the USA is mostly asleep (10pm here in California) and most of Western Europe is not yet awake :)
[07:26] <richardcavell> Can anyone help me with getting ssh to work?  I can ssh to other computers over the Internet but they cannot ssh to me
[07:29] <mattt> richardcavell: firewall?
[07:30] <richardcavell> iptables returns nothing, mattt
[07:31] <richardcavell> I've set up port forwarding - port 22 from the Internet to my computer through the modem. Like I said, I can ssh out but they can't ssh in.
[07:42] <MrGlass> hey
[07:42] <MrGlass> how do i uninstall an app?
[07:42] <MrGlass> from command line
[07:43] <MrGlass> ah, remove
[07:43] <MrGlass> lol
[08:09]  * qman__ is listening to "Still" by "Geto Boys" from the album "YTMND Soundtrack - Volume 4"  [0:07/4:03]  [128 kbps]
[08:09] <qman__> oops, wrong channel, sorry
[10:30] <petx> hi all... I try to show request time out while pinging other PC on network... any idea??
[12:07] <orogor> hi here
[12:08] <orogor> when creating a raid with md , can i specify a device as an uuid instead of a devfs name?
[12:08] <orogor> also , why is sata_nv missing ?
[12:10] <orogor> haa sorry , it s built in
[12:27] <piegod> Hello, I've tried to follow the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing but on connected machines I get no Internet connectivity (eth1 is a WiFi AP, eth0 has Internet)
[12:27] <piegod> what am I doing wrong?
[12:28] <Bilge> Life
[12:29] <piegod> ?
[12:31] <jpds> orogor: Sure, the uuids are at /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[12:32] <orogor> jpds, what would be the sintax for that ?
[12:33] <orogor> i replace /dev/sda by uuid=1234455  ?
[12:33] <jpds> sudo mdadm --add /dev/disk/by-uuid/ /dev/sda ?
[12:33] <jpds> by-uuid/skajfdskdafhqwruqw *
[12:33] <orogor> actually i ask before i never saw anyone doing this in any exemple or  doc
[12:34] <orogor> thanks
[12:34] <jpds> Well, the stuff in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ are just symbolic links to ../sda1, etc.
[12:35] <orogor> haa, never paid attention they were symlinks
[12:51] <orogor> bbl
[13:05] <pixlbox> this question may be off topic, i have ftp set up so i can access my fonts from elsewhere for some reason the fonts arnt uploading to the server correctly, its just listing them there the files themselves are 0KB
[13:56] <BrixSat> hello
[13:57] <BrixSat> i have a pc with 2 nics eth0 is wan and eth1 is lan, how do i forward from eth0 the port 13000 to <IP_ADDRESS> wich is on eth1?
[14:09] <pmatulis> BrixSat: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 for an example
[14:11] <BrixSat> pmatulis thanks
[14:23] <rferrada> alo?
[14:24] <rferrada> dears, im new in this chat...and im having problems with mu new server
[14:25] <rferrada> i just installed again a server with ubutnu 8.04L with a new IP address but the dns server still ask me for the old IP address, so when i do ping to this server appair like unreachable
[14:27] <rferrada> somebody there?
[14:35] <rferrada> toc toc ...someboy in the room???
[14:38] <Tom_Ass> yes, but I can't help you with that problem
[14:39] <rferrada> :( thanks anyway to respond
[14:40] <rferrada> i dont know why there are a lot of people in the room and nobody say nothing
[14:47] <BrixSat> hi
[14:48] <BrixSat> say again.. you have a dns installed on a fresh machine and it asks for the old one?
[14:49] <BrixSat> the problem is not on that one rferrada the problem is probably on the machine that dhcp your server
[14:49] <BrixSat> and by the way dns takes time to spread
[14:49] <BrixSat> in some cases 48 hours
[14:50] <aent> hi... I was wondering if I could set a max upload/download speed for certain IP addresses? either in apache or somewhere else?
[14:51] <rferrada> hi thanks !...no, i re install one server with a new IP address but the dns still when i do ping is looking for the old ip
[14:51] <BrixSat> aent using a php script you can control the upl / dnl speed
[14:52] <rferrada> the dns is installed in the PDC server
[14:52] <BrixSat> rferrada so way till the pdc server rehash the config
[14:52] <BrixSat> inside the network can you ping your server?
[14:52] <BrixSat> using ip and not dns
[14:53] <aent> its not a php script...
[14:53] <zoopster> rferrada: you need to update your named server with the new ip address
[14:53] <rferrada> no, i can ping my selft (the server) and also i got connection with the internet but the another pcs, can to ping to th "name server" just directly to the IP address
[14:54] <BrixSat> so problem is not on your server
[14:54] <rferrada> yes, thay can ping to the Ip, but not the name
[14:54] <pmatulis> rferrada: so change you dns configuration (point the name to the new IP)
[14:54] <zoopster> rferrada: change the "A" record on the dns entry pointing to that server
[14:54] <BrixSat> but on pdc, update the condifg like zoopster said
[14:55] <pmatulis> wow, triple blast
[14:56] <rferrada> so..change the A in the dns entry?
[14:56] <BrixSat> yes
[14:57] <rferrada> thanks, one question more...how is called this file because i try to find some file that cintain this name and i coulnt
[14:58] <BrixSat> rferrada to simplify use webmin ;) a web interface to control the server ;)
[14:58] <zoopster> rferrada: where does your named server - you mentioned a PDC...is the named server running on windows?
[14:59] <rferrada> no it run with a old gentoo
[15:01] <rferrada> i mean pdc is gentoo my server is ubuntu
[15:01] <pmatulis> rferrada: maybe http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/BIND
[15:01] <rferrada> yes i will try with that...thanks a lot for your help...
[15:02] <zoopster> pmatulis has all the links!
[15:02] <rferrada> i will try tomorrow morning
[15:02] <pmatulis> first hit from google for "gentoo bind"
[15:03] <rferrada> thanks guys
[15:03] <BrixSat> where does normaly iptables rules stay?
[15:08] <rferrada> sorry the last question is for me?
[15:08] <BrixSat> :P If you know the answer yes ;)
[15:09] <rferrada> hahah..is runnugn in the old gentoo (PDC)
[15:09] <BrixSat> why does iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p UDP --dport 13000 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:13000
[15:09] <BrixSat> get's destination anywhere on nat list?
[15:09] <BrixSat> DNAT       udp  --  anywhere             anywhere            udp dpt:13000 to:<IP_ADDRESS>:13000
[15:10] <zoopster> BrixSat: there is no "normal" location, but logically you save them in /etc using iptables-save and restore from there using iptable-restore. I use UFW to make it simpler for me so they are saved elsewhere for me
[15:47] <BrixSat> ;)
[16:12] <ricdanger> hi
[16:12] <ricdanger> is there any alternative software to canonical landscape (somehthing like the ~opensource spacewalk)?
[16:21] <RoyK> what is it landscape does so well?
[16:32] <pmatulis> ricdanger: no
[16:33] <ricdanger> how do you handle updates on multiple servers?
[16:33] <ricdanger> i'm currently using puppet for configuration changes
[16:33] <ricdanger> but I just don't trust it for upgrades
[16:34] <pmatulis> ricdanger: good call
[16:35] <ricdanger> my problem is that I'm handling updates of both desktop and server
[16:35] <ricdanger> desktops can be turned off by users
[16:35] <ricdanger> so the upgrade can go wrong
[16:36] <ricdanger> and it only have a total lack of reporting for this kind of operations
[16:36] <RoyK> if it's just software upgrades, then just install cron-apt and configure it to do it all automatically
[16:38] <ricdanger> i was undert the impression cron-apt would only fetch the packages
[16:38] <RoyK> by default, yes
[16:38] <ricdanger> maybe I should take a better look at it :D
[16:38] <RoyK> but you can configure it to install them as well
[16:39] <ricdanger> that's great
[16:39] <ricdanger> and is there a way to prevent it from installing kernel upgrades?
[16:39] <ricdanger> that messes up+ with my vmware installation
[16:39] <ricdanger> they must be done manually, because of the "vmware-tools"
[16:40] <RoyK> not sure
[16:40] <BlasterMaster> has anyone experience with "desktop sharing" under "freenx"?
[16:40] <ricdanger> I setup a server 2 months ago
[16:40] <ricdanger> maybe I can help
[16:41] <BlasterMaster> ok i want to set the server up that i can have a remote desktop with freenx
[16:41] <RoyK> ricdanger: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=238706
[16:42] <ricdanger> blastermaster: as far as I remember, it was quite straight forward to setup with an apt-get and nx-setup (i guess it was called like that)
[16:42] <ricdanger> i only had a problem with some user password that had a minus character as the first character
[16:43] <ricdanger> do you have anyu specific p+roblemn?
[16:43] <RoyK> ricdanger: in short - apt-get install wajig, wajig hold <package name>
[16:45] <BlasterMaster> i want the same session which i have on my local display, but i cant get connectet with this session
[16:45] <BlasterMaster> maybe i dont know how to setup the node.conf
[16:45] <ricdanger> uhmmm...
[16:45] <ricdanger> I never did that with nx
[16:45] <ricdanger> only with vnc
[16:46] <ricdanger> :S
[16:46] <ricdanger> I just create "NX" sessions and attach them with the nx cl'ient
[16:47] <BlasterMaster> for me it would be nice to see so that i can use amarok on both session
[16:47] <pmatulis> RoyK: why not just use aptitude for pinning?
[16:48] <RoyK> probably works just as well
[16:48] <RoyK> I'm not into aptitude
[16:48] <ricdanger> I never used aptitude
[16:48] <ricdanger> never undestood the advantages of it over apt
[16:48] <RoyK> well - catch you guys later
[16:50] <pmatulis> ricdanger: if you can avoid installing extra packages, especially ones from universe, then you should do so
[16:53] <BlasterMaster> so am i wrong to have the same displayed on both screens with nx?
[16:56] <BlasterMaster> i tried to create a shadow session but it never worked
[16:58] <pmatulis> ricdanger: btw, pinning with aptitude is as simple as 'sudo aptitude hold gdm', if you wanted to pin the gdm package
[17:01] <axisys> i have two 80gb disks (sda and sdb) on x2100 . i am running jaunty server on sdb.. how do I mirror sda .. so incase sdb goes bad, i can boot from sda ?
[17:02] <axisys> in solaris i just  use svm (solaris volume manager) to take care of that
[17:06] <jgedeon> axisys you can set them up in a software raid.
[17:06] <jgedeon> But if you are worried about losing something soon you can dd the drive.
[17:12] <axisys> jgedeon: no fear of loosing anything..
[17:15] <MT-> You guys have any idea what's going on with lines 18 & 19 and the duplicates of those?
[17:18] <MT-> and the link...http://pastebin.com/m36d3ddeb
[17:22] <pmatulis> MT-: no home for user 'nobody'?
[17:23] <MT-> pmatulis: is there supposed to be?
[17:23] <MT-> pmatulis: I'm just curious why those are showing up
[17:24] <MT-> ls
[17:28] <pmatulis> MT-: ls?
[17:29] <MT-> pmatulis: sorry, I was sending my bot something and spaced on what I was sending and doing and pretty ,uch had a cataclismic brain fart
[17:36] <pmatulis> MT-: i think what you're seeing is an application dropping privileges.  it starts as root but then drops to nobody
[17:37] <MT-> oh
[17:37] <MT-> hrm... would supybot do that?
[17:38] <pmatulis> MT-: no
[17:38] <MT-> oh..
[17:38] <pmatulis> you start supybot as your regular user right?  i think it complains if you try to start it as root
[17:39] <MT-> ya, I run as normal
[17:40] <pmatulis> MT-: anyway, i just did a test.  i became root and then su'd to nobody.  i get the message 'Successful su for nobody by root'
[17:40] <MT-> So it's not root becoming nobody
[17:42] <pmatulis> yes it is
[17:42] <pmatulis> "i became root and then su'd to nobody"
[17:42] <MT-> .... sorry...
[17:43] <MT-> lemme guess - next line should be a little more explanative that it is
[17:46] <MT-> pmatulis: thanks :)
[17:46] <MT-> I'll try to watch that sometime and catch the pid to track it down :)
[18:10] <FFForever> why is sendmail-mta using such a high amount of cpu when sending messages (brings me over 1.0 load avg), is there better alternatives then sendmail-bin for sending mail with php
[18:14] <MT-> FFForever: mail(
[18:14] <MT-> FFForever: mail()
[18:15] <MT-> FFForever: you do know that 1.0 means 1 process average, right?
[18:15] <MT-> it's not a %
[18:23] <FFForever> what is a zombie process?
[18:24] <MT-> FFForever: a process that started running, finished its job, but didn't stop execution
[18:25] <FFForever> how do i locate them, top says i have 4, are they bad?
[18:26] <FFForever> MT-, how does my log files keep getting around 500mb+??
[18:26] <FFForever> root@chr1831:~# du -sh /var/log
[18:26] <FFForever> 1005M	/var/log
[18:26] <FFForever> was 2.1gb yesterday
[18:28] <MT-> FFForever: pastebin this  du -hs /var/log/*
[18:29] <FFForever> http://pastebin.com/f79cf896d
[18:30] <MT-> FFForever: look at mail*
[18:30] <FFForever> MT-, i see, what about syslog?, thats 60mb =\
[18:30] <MT-> FFForever: check that you're not being spammed
[18:30] <MT-> look at the obvious first
[18:31] <MT-> if the errors in mail* point to syslog, then go there
[18:31] <FFForever> Jul 19 06:36:21 chr1831 sm-mta[5140]: n6G8FkUS003836: SYSERR(root): Cannot exec /usr/sbin/sensible-mda: No such file or directory
[18:31] <FFForever> Jul 19 06:36:21 chr1831 sm-mta[3820]: n6G8FkUS003836: SYSERR(root): putbody: write error: Broken pipe
[18:31] <FFForever> i thought i fixed that by installing sensible-mda
[18:31] <MT-> are you using exim4?
[18:32] <FFForever> not that i know of, i am operating a outbounds only mailer (sendmail-bin)
[18:32] <FFForever> just so php can send emails
[18:32] <MT-> aptitude install sendmail
[18:33] <FFForever> will that open port 25 for everyone to mail through me?
[18:33] <FFForever> i just want php to be able to send mail, no one else
[18:33] <MT-> no ubuntu app defaults to public incoming 25
[18:34] <FFForever> ahhhh
[18:35] <MT-> you can easily configure them for that - but 80% of users probably don't want that - guessing
[18:36] <FFForever> MT-, can i add suphp to log rotation?
[18:36] <MT-> !info suphp
[18:36] <MT-> !suphp
[18:36] <MT-> If ubottu doesn't know about it - I would suggest no
[18:36] <FFForever> MT-, i installed it manually, it runs php as the uid/guid of the user and not as www-data
[18:37] <MT-> oh - then ya - I would say don't do that
[18:37] <FFForever> !libapache2-mod-suphp
[19:20] <ScottK> MT-: Why are you recommending Sendmail?
[19:21] <MT-> ScottK: it seemed to be what he was trying to use
[19:21] <MT-> sorry
[19:21] <ScottK> Generally for Ubuntu we prefer Postfix and Exim4 and all the help docs are written for Postfix.
[19:21] <ScottK> MT-: Many MTA packages provide a sendmail binary.
[19:21] <MT-> FFForever: ^
[19:21] <MT-> ScottK: I'll suggest better from now on :)
[19:22] <ScottK> MT-: OK.  Sounds good.
[19:22] <ScottK> Postfix is generally the best recommendation for here.
[19:23] <arrrghhh> soooo does anyone know of a good cli "jukebox-like" program?  all i really want is a web ui to control it (like vlc) - i've seen all these cli/headless solutions for streaming (i have a daap firefly server setup arleady) but i want something that plays thru the local server hardware instead of streaming it to another device.  for me, this would be easier then i am not tethered to the stereo system anymore!
[19:30] <arrrghhh> or do most use their servers for streaming instead of hooking the server to a physical amplifier?  it seems the configuration i desire is uncommon.
[19:50] <arrrghhh> anybody at least be able to help me out with sound?  i get an error when trying to run alsamixer.
[19:53] <simon-o> arrrghhh: are you sure #ubuntu-server is the right place?
[19:53] <arrrghhh> well i'm running a server install... there's no gui...
[19:54] <simon-o> arrrghhh: and you want sound on a server?
[19:54] <arrrghhh> well, initially i didn't... but i'm finding streaming it to another device is cumbersome, i'd much rather just play the music directly off the server and control the software thru a webui...
[19:55] <arrrghhh> er control the software that plays the music thru a webui.
[19:55] <arrrghhh> and i figured this room would have more server-minded peoples that would have more useful suggestions than just the plaim ubuntu room :D
[19:56] <mattgyver> Hi, im running fail2ban but it appears that its releasing the ip bans though i have set the ban time set to -1, the logs show several "Error: Unknown communication issue" does anyone know how to remedy this?
[19:57] <arrrghhh> i really just want a music device that's not my craptacular ipod which no longer shuffles music.  i'd like something that i don't need to hook a screen up to that plays music easily.
[19:57] <simon-o> arrrghhh: ok I understand. I can't help you there. but I think in #ubuntu they can. and besides that it's !weekend
[19:57] <simon-o> !weekend
[19:58] <arrrghhh> yea, i see.
[19:58] <arrrghhh> i'll try over in ubuntu, i just usually am met with a flood of suggestions that require an X server at the very least, and then the flaming starts as to why i'm not using a full desktop blah blah have  you checked in ubuntu-server y'know.
[19:59] <simon-o> arrrghhh: ok, good luck :)
[19:59] <arrrghhh> thanks!
[20:22] <MT-> come back... I had an idea
[20:22] <MT-> lol
[20:22] <MT-> oh well
[20:54] <user345fgh> hi
[20:55] <user345fgh> is there some sort of console editor to add services that start at runtime?
[21:14] <jpds> user345fgh: Yes, init.d and update-rc.d
[21:15] <RoyK> looking into zfs on opensolaris, linux comes short
[21:37] <pmatulis> user345fgh: please investigate the chkconfig package
[21:38] <pmatulis> (a type of "port" from red hat)
[21:38] <pmatulis> it's in universe however
[23:05] <Pit3r> good nigh everyone
[23:05] <Pit3r> someone already install citrix xenapp client in ubuntu 9.04 64bits?
[23:18] <axisys>
[23:20] <axisys> how do I build software raid 1 between sda and sdb ? i have jaunty server running on sda1 ..
[23:21] <axisys> i dont want to reinstall to create md0 (mirror of sda1 and sdb1)
[23:26] <billybigrigger> can someone here shed some light on how i go about getting webalizer to read more than 1 access log?
[23:26] <billybigrigger> everytime apache rotates the log i loose my stats
[23:40] <orogor> hi here
[23:41] <orogor> anyone familiar with initramfs grub and boot stuff ?
[23:41] <orogor> i am  trying to boot to a raid 10 system with  separate /boot , however i keep having problems
[23:59] <billybigrigger> LogFile="cat /var/log/apache2/access.* > /var/log/apache2/awstats"


[00:59] <chilts> totally
[20:43] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:10] <hads> morning
[21:41] <mwhudson> hads: unconvinced


[02:38] <ircuser> How can I convert many text files to PDF at once ( into a single PDF document or one PDF file for one text file) ? I've got some 200 separate text files I need to print to PDF.
[02:42] <HenryKirk_> this is a test, just checking if all is working....Hello
[02:42] <pedro3005> ircuser, you could first make them all one txt file and then transform that to a pdf
[02:43] <pedro3005> cat *.txt > bigfile
[02:43] <pedro3005> i think that works
[02:44] <ircuser> pedro3005: thanks..trying
[02:46] <ircuser> pedro3005: is there any way i can put something like a [02:46] <pedro3005> ircuser, hm, don't know then
[02:47] <ircuser> pedro3005: anyway thanks a lot.....
[02:47] <pedro3005> ircuser, np
[02:47] <pedro3005> HenryKirk_, hello
[02:47] <HenryKirk_> hi pedro
[02:48] <ircuser> pedro3005: however, what command can i use to print a tet file to PDF so that i can use like " <command> *.* "?
[02:49] <pedro3005> ircuser, you have to use a pdf converter
[02:49] <pedro3005> PDF isn't plain text
[02:49] <pedro3005> HenryKirk_, what were you testing?
[02:50] <ircuser> pedro3005: yes..thnks
[02:50] <HenryKirk_> only that the irc connection is actually working, now that it is, I proceed to joining a ubuntu test group
[08:24] <mongoosedog> hey guy i've downloaded  an extract thunderbid, as i can't get evolution to work, anyone know how to get it to run?
[08:25] <pleia2> mongoosedog: how did you download it? through the package manager?
[08:25] <mongoosedog> no off the site, and i got the linux version
[08:26] <pleia2> ok, in Ubuntu you'll actually want to download it with the package manager, not by downloading it from the website
[08:26] <mongoosedog> ok which package there are heaps
[08:26] <pleia2> you can open the software center
[08:27] <pleia2> search for thunderbird
[08:28] <mongoosedog> got it
[08:28] <mongoosedog> din't pop up last time
[08:28] <pleia2> :)
[08:28] <pleia2> ok, once you install it through the software center it'll show up under applications > internet
[08:30] <mongoosedog> thank you
[08:31] <pleia2> you're welcome
[08:33] <mongoosedog> hmmm, same problem here too
[08:34] <pleia2> same problem?
[08:34] <mongoosedog> my password that works for the webbased email, won't work on the thunderbird or evolution
[08:35] <mongoosedog> and the web based thing is horrible
[08:35] <pleia2> does the email server support pop or imap?
[08:36] <mongoosedog> pop
[08:36] <pleia2> what kind of error do you get?
[08:36] <mongoosedog> bad login
[08:36] <mongoosedog> after i type my oassword
[08:36] <pleia2> might want to ask your email provider what username you need to use in order to use a client
[08:38] <mongoosedog> yeah i might call them i had it working back on vista, oh well thanks anyway
[08:38]  * pleia2 nods
[10:00] <robbmunson> hi boys....and girls :)
[10:09] <leoquant> robbmunson good morning
[10:25] <Votebot> Everyone run its robb! :) (Only kidding, its him controlling me, and yeah im sure I will "get it" eventually, but meh, once is fun!)
[10:41] <leoquant> !Votebot quiet
[10:41] <Votebot> Factoid votebot quiet not found
[11:36] <mongoosedog> guy mt media tomb stopped working, i just moved my computer so it dont shutdown, Unable to connect Unable to connect
[11:36] <mongoosedog> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at blah bla, any suggestion, oh does ubuntu have any firewalls and whatnot?
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:36] <mongoosedog>
[11:37] <mongoosedog>
[11:37] <mongoosedog>
[11:37] <mongoosedog> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at
[11:39] <Yos> mongoosedog, can you connect to other websites ?
[11:46] <mongoosedog> yes i can
[11:47] <mongoosedog> sorry went afk
[11:50] <mongoosedog> it's a bit odd
[11:59] <Yos> mongoosedog, then it sounds like a problem with the site (server) and not with firefox
[12:01] <Yos> And yes, ubuntu comes with a very good firewall but by default, it is turned off afaik
[12:15] <vinux_> hello, My wireless mouse is getting detected but does not work...can anyone help please ?
[14:42] <AJHunter> I'm having trouble with the Facebook Chat Pidgin plugin. It keeps asking for my birthday.
[14:46] <leoquant> AJHunter is this a login plugin?
[14:47] <AJHunter> no, it's the actual chat
[14:47] <leoquant> ah ok
[14:48] <leoquant> strange asking bout your birthday, it is done in your account, looks like a bug to me
[14:48] <leoquant> does pidgin come with this plugin?
[14:48] <AJHunter> no
[14:50] <AJHunter> sorry... I accidentally closed pidgin... :-[
[14:52] <leoquant> : http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-facebookchat/wiki/FAQ
[14:52] <leoquant> looks like a bug
[14:52] <leoquant> no answers/solutions there
[14:53] <AJHunter> Maybe...
[14:53] <AJHunter> ok
[14:53] <drubin> why notjust use facebooks jabber chat
[14:53] <drubin> AJHunter: You can use pidgin to connect to facebook. and NO you don't need a pluging
[14:53] <AJHunter> I don't?
[14:54] <drubin> Nope getting a link for you now
[14:55] <AJHunter> ok...
[14:55] <drubin> http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php AJHunter
[14:55] <drubin> there you got, explains how to connection via pidgin :)
[14:55] <drubin> AJHunter: If you need a hand give me a shout
[14:56] <AJHunter> ok... trying it now...
[14:58] <drubin> And this is why we need a bot to remind others about links
[14:59] <AJHunter> Thanks! It worked! But of course, no one's on...:-/
[14:59] <drubin> lol
[15:00] <AJHunter> thanks! gotta go!
[15:00] <drubin> Votebot: fb chat is http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php
[15:00] <drubin> o ye you can't do that
[16:16] <vinux_> hello, My wireless mouse is getting detected but does not work...can anyone help please ?
[18:15] <ShadowKnight> hi, i had a quick question. i wanted to download Amarok for ubuntu but the only thing i see is either debian or kubuntu. which one do i download? or is there another music player that is able to add music to an itouch?
[18:15] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, are you on ubuntu right now?
[18:15] <ShadowKnight> yes i am
[18:16] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, Click Applications then click Ubuntu Software Center please
[18:16] <ShadowKnight> k i did it
[18:16] <pedro3005> On the search box type amarok
[18:16] <pedro3005> Select Amarok and press the arrow next to it
[18:16] <pedro3005> Scroll down and click Install
[18:16] <ShadowKnight> oh okay now it comes up. so i just press the arrow and install it?
[18:16] <pedro3005> You're done ;)
[18:17] <ShadowKnight> thank you soooo much :D lol. is this the best music player? im new to ubuntu so im trying to get the necessary software that i would need for my daily uses lol
[18:17] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, yes. the ubuntu software center have thousands of good software this way, and you'll be downloading directly from their servers, no security risk or anything
[18:18] <ShadowKnight> oh okay, so i never download from websites, i just go there?
[18:18] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, if it is there, it's recommended you install it from there
[18:18] <pedro3005> and normally, it WILL be there
[18:18] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay then thats good to know then :)
[18:18] <pedro3005> Sometimes it's not there but you can download a .deb file. That is good too, just double click the file and click install
[18:19] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, but many software you download manually for linux is just code that you have to compile, which is complicated for beginners and can generate a load of problems. So always use one of these two preferred methods and avoid compiling anything
[18:20] <ShadowKnight> oh okay then thank you for that. ill be sure to do those two methods only until i understand this
[18:20] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, now, about players, there are many, you just have to see which you like best. There is Rhythmbox, which comes with ubuntu, there is Banshee, there is Amarok and others. All of these you can find on the Software Center.
[18:20] <ShadowKnight> okay ill look into all of them :) thank you so much :)
[18:21] <pedro3005> ShadowKnight, no problem. come back anytime
[19:09] <jdeloach> I have a problem with my DVI-to-VGA converter. Can someone help me? It's like the graphics card wont do it, as I have another graphics card that does it fine.
[20:17] <Phrea> jdeloach: dvi is backwards compatible with vga via such a convertor, so I dont think it's the convertor itself that's at fault [unless it's just broken somehow]
[21:21] <Kevinswenson> Hey, does anyone know how to create a group in terminal?
[21:40] <drubin> well that wasn't fair giving us only 3mins to answer
[21:41] <pedro3005> drubin, I have answered him 'groupadd' lots of times
[21:41] <pedro3005> but it's for a homework assignment and I wouldn't spoon feed the answer for him (told him to look at the man page)
[21:46] <Kevinswenson> anyone on?
[21:47] <Phrea> [22:41:05]<pedro3005> drubin, I have answered him 'groupadd' lots of times
[21:47] <stlsaint> Kevinswenson: yes
[21:48] <Kevinswenson> i still dont get it!
[21:49] <nigelb> Kevinswenson: if its for a homework assignment, I would prefer that you learn than us spoonfeeding you the answer
[21:49] <stlsaint> Kevinswenson: look at man page
[21:50] <stlsaint> or not it seems...
[21:51] <Kevinswenson> sorry trying to figure it out
[21:51] <stlsaint> Kevinswenson: trash the man page idea...sorry was trying to give resources
[21:59] <drubin> nigelb: you can word that in a nicer way. Simply ask where he gets stuck and point him in the right direction
[22:00] <nigelb> drubin: Didn't mean to be rude.
[22:00] <drubin> nigelb: you weren't :)
[23:42] <Jesse1984> Hi All, im a Linux n00b, and im trying to get my ATI graphics card on my laptop working, its a HP 8530p Core2 T9600, 4GB DDR2, 15.4 1680x1050 Widescreen display and mobility Radeon HD 3650. I have installed Karmic and it was running ok with full res to begin with but laptop was getting really hot, i have read in different forums that the proprietary ATI driver fixes the overheating, so i have been trying to get it working, fi
[23:42] <Jesse1984> rstly i used the hardware update tool GUI from within Karmic, rebooted, had a black screen, went into recovery mode, tried a heap of things nothing worked then found this command which sort of reset things i guess and allowed me to boot in with low vga mode : sudo apt-get remove xorg-driver-fglrx, then: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg -so from there i went here http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installa
[23:42] <Jesse1984> tion_Guide and followed the guide to install the prorietory driver manually by building the package, which all went through ok, then a black screen on reboot - now when i log into recovery mode my keyboard doesnt work (which was also happening the first time i went to recovery mode but some how i got lucky and kept rebooting then the keyboard started working last time, this time its not working again)... sorry for the massive
[23:42] <Jesse1984>  amount of info.. hope someone can help???
[23:43] <celthunder> woah
[23:43] <celthunder> give us a sec to read all that :)
[23:43] <Jesse1984> :) thx
[23:44] <celthunder> well
[23:44] <celthunder> you basically forced yourself into 16 bit mode
[23:44] <celthunder> and completely removed ati drivers
[23:45] <Jesse1984> yes...
[23:46] <celthunder> so what do you want us to do?
[23:46] <celthunder> you could get back in to where you originally first started by installing the open source ati drivers again
[23:47] <Jesse1984> just any pointers on where to go from here would be great :)
[23:47] <Jesse1984> yes, but the laptop was getting really hot, have you heard that withough the proprietary drivers laptops can overheat ?


[00:04] <Unit193> miseria in #ubuntu-kernel
[00:16] <teward> what's unopaste?  new anti-paste floodcontrol bot for #ubuntu ?
[00:16] <k1l_> yep
[00:20] <teward> i see
[02:54] <emma> AlanBell: Yeah I think there was a mistake and I was banned from #ubuntu-ops. I think that should be lifted.
[06:46] <jussi> emma: nope, no mistake, you didnt respond and had an autojoin script. the ban has been removed, so if youve some issue, feel free to join and tell us about it :)
[06:54] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:15] <MooDoo> just out of curiosity, how come meetings are done at 6pm UTC?  was that deemed the best time for all council members to be available? <nosey mode off>
[09:32] <jussi> MooDoo: At least as far as I know that is the case - most(all iirc) are EU or US based
[09:33] <MooDoo> ok thanks :) just curious :D  want to watch the one this wed :)
[09:33] <jussi> MooDoo: its not exclusive, so if youve ideas and stuff, bring them with you
[09:38] <MooDoo> jussi: yeah i'm going to be there as i've applied for ops in certain channels and want to bribe people with cookies ;)
[09:39] <jussi> MooDoo: ahh, cookies... got any spare for me? :D
[09:39] <MooDoo> lol
[23:55] <Unit193> miseria in #ubuntu-kernel, nearly same time as last time.
[23:56] <rww> should start highlighting all the -kernel ops :3
[23:57] <Unit193> Highlighted one because I know he's active there, but nothing came of it.


[07:25] <dholbach> good morning
[12:30] <svij> PSA: The results of the Ubucontest will be announced at the #ubuntu-on-air today at 15 UTC.
[12:47] <tedg> I was trying to work with u1db last night and couldn't get much working.
[12:48] <tedg> Specifically I did a "database.pushDoc({"foo": "bar"})" and the object returned doesn't seem to have a "contents"
[12:48] <tedg> Anyone have any insight into that?
[12:56] <tedg> kalikiana, is that something you worked on? ^
[12:56]  * tedg doesn't remember who was doing it
[12:57] <kalikiana> tedg: the object returned is a number :-)
[12:57] <kalikiana> also, it's putDoc
[12:58] <tedg> kalikiana: huh, "typeof" returns string
[12:58] <tedg> kalikiana: printing it is a uuid then a ":1" on the end
[12:59] <tedg> kalikiana: Can I use that number to find the doc?
[12:59] <tedg> Yeah, sorry, putDoc, I had that right in the code just not IRC.
[13:01] <kalikiana> tedg: you're right, it would be a string. but it's not the doc's id I'm afraid
[13:02] <kalikiana> if you want to know the id it's best you set the id yourself
[13:02] <tedg> kalikiana: Hmm, okay. I was hoping to use the autogen ID feature.
[13:02] <tedg> I'll just use math.random() or something.
[13:04] <kalikiana> tedg: this will do the equivalent of the default http://paste.ubuntu.com/12696810/
[13:05] <kalikiana> we should have some official way for it.. for now that's the best option
[13:06] <tedg> Cool, thanks.
[13:06] <tedg> I was surprised that putDoc() didn't return either the doc or the docId
[13:06] <tedg> Seems like one of those would be best.
[13:12] <kalikiana> tedg: what're you working on, if I may be nosy?
[13:17] <tedg> kalikiana: Ha, just a small app. Trying to use the U1DB to save state.
[13:17] <tedg> kalikiana: That way I can do the lifecycle stuff cleanly.
[13:23] <kalikiana> ah, nice
[13:47] <karni> Is it just me, or the singer of The Free Software Song looks just a bit like popey :D? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSkCny-HtTw
[13:47] <popey> OMG
[13:47] <popey> I opened that link, then managed to close it before the guy started singing. Nobody needs that :)
[13:48] <karni> haha
[13:48] <popey> :)
[13:58] <Elleo> popey: lies. we all know that's your ringtone
[15:01] <SturmFlut> You *really* want to see Ubuntu on Air today :)
[15:05] <popey> hehe
[16:14] <tpm_> how do I connect to an ubuntu phone to debug it? I already enabled devmode and it shows up in the sdk, but I do not see debug output
[16:20] <dpm> rpadovani, congrats to you and your team as UbuContest winners!
[16:49] <daker> hello, any one with some snappy/Ubuntu Core presentations ?
[16:59] <Kivi> hey all
[17:12] <Kivi> Why is this bug happening to me:
[17:12] <Kivi> This plugin does not support propagateSizeHints()
[17:12] <Kivi> I can run it on qmlscene no problem
[17:13] <Kivi> getting it to run on my phoen though causes it to crash with that message.
[17:39] <DanChapman> Kivi: does your app depend on QtWidgets or QQuickWidgets? I've seen the propogateSizeHints error pop up before for someone else and it was down to try to use something from qtwidgets
[17:40] <Kivi> DanChapman, I don't think so. it has some qt in there, but its just qstrings and such.
[17:41] <Kivi> i'll check though
[17:51] <Kivi> I can't see anything like this...
[17:52] <Kivi> In my c++, I import qtqml, qmlcontext, qobject, and qstringlist. Nothing else.
[19:32] <Kivi> Gah this is so annoying.


[00:21] <nhandler> akgraner: You should set an irc alias to make that announcement (if you haven't already)
[00:22] <akgraner> nhandler, not sure I understand what you mean?
[00:22] <nhandler> akgraner: So you would be able to do: /announceuwn 189     and then have your IRC client send the announcement message to all of the channels
[00:25] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[00:25] <akgraner> didn't know that is what it is called
[00:25] <akgraner> I'll set that
[00:25] <akgraner> thanks!
[00:27] <nhandler> No problem akgraner.
[00:28] <akgraner> :-)
[00:28] <akgraner> nhandler, a couple of the presenters have asked for a session before open week on how to use Lernid
[00:29] <akgraner> I'm going to email all of them  - who is the person(s) to ask to lead a lernid session?
[00:29] <nhandler> akgraner: There isn't really anything to know about that other than the few things on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid/Session%20Leaders
[00:30] <nhandler> Do you really think that is worth a session?
[00:31] <akgraner> There are several who have never even looked at lernid and I think they just have some questions
[00:32] <nhandler> I would be interested in knowing what questions they have. I still don't think it is worth a session, but mbudde would be the best candidate
[00:32] <akgraner> k - let me see who else responds and I'll let you know
[00:33] <nhandler> akgraner: Another option is to simply forward the questions to the ubuntu-classroom@ mailing list, and I or someone else can answer them
[00:34] <akgraner> ok so far they haven't been asked in email for but I'll ask them too submit them that way
[00:34] <nhandler> Also point them to that link
[00:38] <akgraner> ok can do


[02:07] <bryceh> tjaalton, dunno
[03:05] <tjaalton> bryceh: ah, some mistake then
[03:08] <bjsnider> wonder when they're going to add some additional amd64 ppa builders
[03:08] <bryceh> tjaalton, oh figured out, that was in my xchat scroll buffer on a laptop I hadn't used since UDS in belgium
[03:09] <bryceh> tjaalton, you'd asked me something about BEL at the time
[03:12] <tjaalton> bryceh: haha, okay :)
[13:18] <ScottK> I'd appreciate feedback on getting the proposed fix for Bug #569879 in for 10.04.1.  It seems to solve the problem here.
[13:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569879 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "Non-admin user logout fails on Lucid (affects: 8) (heat: 56)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569879
[13:27] <jcristau> sounds reasonable
[13:40] <ScottK> bryceh: Any objections if I upload it for an SRU of xorg-server?
[13:43] <RAOF> ScottK: Were you perhaps after me?
[13:43] <ScottK> RAOF: I was, but I'd forgotten.  Sorry.
[13:53] <RAOF> ScottK: I have no objections.
[13:54] <ScottK> RAOF: Thanks.  I'll try to get that up in the next day or two.
[15:00] <jcristau> maybe i should get that patch in 1.7-branch upstream
[15:10] <Sarvatt> funny, I thought the same thing regarding that commit a few months ago :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/bugsbugsbugs/+packages
[15:10] <Sarvatt> but it didn't fix the problem in the guy i was helping's case
[15:11] <bryceh> ScottK, yeah coordinate thru raof
[15:33] <RAOF> Sarvatt: How much do we still need the disable-pageflipping patch with 2.12 & 2.6.35-rc5?
[15:34] <Sarvatt> i dont need it at all on 945 anymore at least
[15:35] <RAOF> And all the upstream bugs mentioned in the patch seem to be closed, too.
[17:43] <Darxus> What needs to be done to get the bug #541492 fixes into Lucid and Maverick?
[17:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 541492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: [i845] GPU lockup (apport-crash) (Should KMS be blacklisted?) (affects: 78) (dups: 30) (heat: 523)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541492
[18:17] <alkisg> Hi, I'm having complete hangs (so no logs at all) on my nvidia 8600m based laptop, and I'd like to try some newer nvidia drivers to see if they fix the problem. Are they available in some ppa, or is my only option to install the drivers from their site?
[18:19] <alkisg> Ah, I just found 256.35-0ubuntu2~xup2 in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates, I guess I'll use those...
[19:35] <tomus> Hello. I would like to upload python-pyopencl into Ubuntu, and this package depends on files contained in nvidia-common and nvidia-current-dev (build-dep).
[19:45] <Sarvatt> will probably be tricky until nvidia-current-dev is split off into another package since the opencl stuff is installed to a nonstandard location with no .pc
[19:46] <bjsnider> tomus, it depends on the opencl headers?
[19:48] <tomus> Yes. I had to add parameter to ./configure pointing to /usr/linclude/nvidia-current to be able to build on Ubuntu, but it builds succesfully.
[19:48] <tomus> There are maybe four lines of difference between Debian and Ubuntu files.
[19:51] <bjsnider> i imagine the opencl headers will be in their own separate package at some point in the distant future
[20:00] <tomus> OK. Good to know.
[20:01] <tomus> For now few people ask me about creating Ubuntu package. I would like to create PPA on launchpad, experiment there a little and then ask someone to sponsor package. Is that OK?
[20:02] <tomus> On #debian-ubuntu I was advised to fill sync request - is in neccessary?
[20:29] <Sarvatt> you need to merge it instead of syncing since it needs ubuntu specific changes, #ubuntu-motu is the place to go about getting it into ubuntu
[20:44] <tomus> Thanks for information.


[00:06] <asac> jdstrand: you mean for karmic? ... sure. but not for other relesaes ;)?
[01:00] <fta> asac, did you read about murrine?
[01:02] <asac> not sure when ...
[01:02] <asac> i posted more stuff to the bugs
[01:02] <asac> so most till there i read
[01:02] <asac> also provided same thing for clearlooks which seems to be the origin from that code
[01:03] <asac> check what i wrote ... once its both done, maybe you can get that in as an SRU ;)?
[01:03] <asac> patch should be small enough to get that in
[01:03] <asac> for gtk2-engines ... and gtk2-engines-murrine packages (both need the patch from the bug)
[01:03] <fta> except that we still have no clue why it happens in the 1st place
[01:03] <asac> well. the engine is really buggy
[01:03] <asac> its not really a workaround ... though evolution has a bug too
[01:04] <asac> both sides are buggy ;)
[01:04] <asac> evolution just uncovered that the engines are buggy
[01:04] <asac> now evolution still has no progressbar right?
[01:04] <BUGabundo> asac: newest cyanogenmod rom for android has usb tehter
[01:04] <asac> so that means it doesnt get hidden, so i dont see why we dont want that patch landed
[01:04] <BUGabundo> *tether
[01:04] <BUGabundo> I'll test it with brand new lucid code :)
[01:04] <asac> haha
[01:05] <asac> lucid code?
[01:05] <asac> ;)
[01:05] <BUGabundo> lets hope NM works
[01:05] <BUGabundo> (12:51:15 AM) MsMaco: so when can we upgrade to lucid?
[01:05] <BUGabundo> (12:52:50 AM) dtchen: it already exists (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/)
[01:05] <asac> rather use dailies
[01:05] <asac> yes. but i dont think there is much there yet ;)
[01:05] <BUGabundo> asac: I think I'm on dailies
[01:05] <BUGabundo> my OS looks more like rolling release
[01:05] <asac> there is no new modem/nm code in lucid for sure
[01:05] <BUGabundo> then release based
[01:05] <asac> yeah ... thats good ;)
[01:07] <fta> we still have to rename the ppas
[01:07] <asac> fta: seeing whats wrong with evolution code ... sounds not that difficult now that we know what triggers this - at least in theory ;)
[01:07] <asac> fta: i have plenty of time next week as i am on vacation ;)
[01:07] <asac> but here
[01:08] <BUGabundo> asac: (01:07:36 AM) Sememmon: funny.. the icon that indicates you're connected to a wired network in karmic network manager.. is a disconnected cable.
[01:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:08] <BUGabundo> didn't take long :)
[01:08] <asac> others said it looks like a seat belt ;)
[01:09] <asac> but its definitly better than the pacman ghost we had for a month or so in karmic ;)
[01:10] <asac> fta: so the pinning approaches i outlined worked somewhat
[01:10] <asac> of course not exactly the same way i had that on the wiki
[01:11] <asac> which is why it dropped from radar as i found myself hacking in apt code :)
[01:11] <asac> well not from radar, just from my current action :)
[01:12] <asac> BUGabundo: i guess your huawei thing didnt get better with latest kernels?
[01:12] <BUGabundo> no idea
[01:12] <BUGabundo> I'm still wifi tether :)
[01:13] <BUGabundo> glad I got an android :)
[01:13] <BUGabundo> asac: ppl still complaining
[01:13] <BUGabundo> so I guess its not fixed
[01:13] <asac> did they try the kernels?
[01:13] <BUGabundo> I tested kernels from PPA
[01:13] <BUGabundo> without success
[01:13] <BUGabundo> before release
[01:13] <asac> i hope you did something wrong ;)
[01:14] <asac> or is it a different issue with that?
[01:14] <asac> e.g. not the infinit mode switching :)
[01:15] <jdstrand> asac: I did mean for karmic
[01:16] <asac> go ahead then ... sure
[01:16] <jdstrand> thanks
[01:16] <asac> they are superseded anyway
[01:16] <asac> jdstrand: remember that firefox-3.0 binaries are now in ffox 3.5 sources ;)
[01:16] <asac> too
[01:17] <jdstrand> asac: right, I know, but our publication scripts aren't that smart
[01:17] <jdstrand> if I don't delete them, they'll just download them and then I need to manually remove them from the email
[01:19] <asac> ok ;)
[01:19] <asac> i trust you doing the right thing with 3.5 ;)
[01:20] <asac> 3.0 is none existing as you said, so the sources with all its binaries can go
[01:20]  * jdstrand nods
[01:20] <jdstrand> I'm not touching 3.5
[01:20] <asac> right
[01:20] <asac> good night!
[01:21] <fta> tb3 red, and i still need to add tb3.1
[04:52]  * JanC gets really annoyed @ firefox updates overwriting my search engine keywords...  :-(
[04:56] <JanC> well, s/overwriting/deleting/
[05:03] <mconnor> mmm, that shouldn't happen
[05:03] <mconnor> though I dunno how apt-get updates work
[05:46] <JanC> try a default install of karmic (don't upgrade, maybe keep it off-line!), set a keyword for one of the search engines, and then upgrade to the newest version
[09:30] <g0th> hi can anyone in here help me with shredder to thunderbird upgrade?
[09:30] <g0th> when I upgraded from karmic my whole mail system "vanished". Before I used shredder now I have thunderbird (I thought they were the same?!). A lot of settings are lost, I had to rename .thunderbird-3.0 to .mozilla-thunderbird to get any information at all (I also changed .thunderbird-3.0 to .mozilla-thunderbird in pres.js) and certificates and passwords dont properly work anymore. What do I do?
[09:31] <g0th> also I did a big mistake I think: in my local folder I set to delete messages older than 30 days. I thought it meant the messages on the pop servers but instead I think it deleted all the messages I stored locally on my pc. Is there a way to get them back?
[09:32] <g0th> another possibility is that the upgrade from shredder to thunderbird caused this somehow.
[09:32] <g0th> I was using shredder from ppa and now updated to karmic which removed shredder and installed thunderbird. I have the issues since then.
[09:33] <g0th> Eg. a lot of preference settings are gone and I keep getting a message about a certificate. If I click to store it premanentely it just keeps popping up. Any idea why?
[09:34] <g0th> is anyone around?
[09:52] <markey> well, I am
[09:52] <markey> except, I'm not a packager
[09:53] <markey> I'm just here for bitching about the broken Chromium Dailies ;)
[12:52] <eagles0513875> g0th: lots of devs are outa teh so called office for the weekend
[12:53] <eagles0513875> you might find the occasional one stray in here
[13:05] <asac> JanC: yes. you are not the first to report this ... guess i should look into that
[13:07] <asac> though ... my keywords still work :/
[13:08] <asac> JanC: like i have a keyword "bmo" ... which goes to bugzilla
[13:08] <asac> i didnt loose that
[13:08] <asac> oh ... guess bugzilla is not a system installed searchplugin
[13:10] <asac> i will check that for some vacation food ;)
[13:10] <asac> but not right now ;)
[13:10] <asac> later today or monday
[13:10] <asac> maybe stay around and bug me daioly aobut it ;)
[13:10] <asac> g0th: going back from tbird 3 to tbird 2 is not supported
[13:10] <asac> so if you used shredder for serious work, you are indeed a bit trapped
[13:11] <asac> but shredder is almost final, so whats the issue?
[13:11] <asac> why do you want to go back?
[13:11] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[13:11] <asac> we still have dailies there
[13:11] <asac> and next week we will get a milestone ppa too ;)
[13:11] <asac> at least thats what i set myself as a vaction goal :-P
[13:12] <av`> asac, there will be a mozilla seed for mozilla-related uploads?
[13:12] <asac> i will try ;)
[13:12] <asac> to get that
[13:12] <av`> great, it would be cool
[13:13] <asac> our team policy is strict enough imo... and i guess it would help also getting more folks contributing on mozilla ;)
[13:13] <av`> I guess that mozilla related stuff will get into the desktop seed
[13:14] <asac> i hope not
[13:14] <av`> if you don't propose a mozilla team seed alone
[13:14] <asac> most folks in that team have no idea about all the implications ;)
[13:14] <av`> yeah :)
[13:14] <asac> yeah. thanks for reminding ... i will ensure that that does not happen accidentially
[13:14] <av`> np, let me know when you have some news
[13:15] <asac> ack
[13:15] <av`> toolchain is in
[13:15] <av`> or at least mostly
[13:15] <av`> I've upgraded my lucid pbuilder already
[13:22] <asac> very good ;)
[13:22] <asac> i will stay on karmic until the first SRU round is done
[13:22] <asac> then move ahead ;)
[13:24] <av`> I gonna format my system to setup a fresh install soon
[13:24] <av`> too long since I don't clean it
[13:26] <asac> hmm ... this system was installed with etchy ;)
[13:27] <asac> doesnt really feel clean ... but its like a busy main street ... you cannot just redo without causing major issues
[13:30] <av`> well, my system is pretty slow now
[13:30] <av`> has some issues to sound etc
[13:30] <av`> cause broken upgrades, tests etc
[13:32] <asac> hmm
[13:32] <asac> what has happened to my connman upload to debian ;)?
[13:33] <av`> dak clean up
[13:33] <asac> dak clean up?
[13:33] <asac> is it dead atm?
[13:33] <av`> ftp-master meeting is running in germany
[13:33] <av`> yes
[13:33] <av`> cronjobs are down
[13:33] <asac> ah ok ;)
[13:33] <asac> thx for the info
[13:33] <av`> np
[13:33] <asac> guess the uploads wont get lost:)
[13:34] <av`> an huge dinstall usually runs in the evening
[13:34] <av`> so your upload should be into the upload's queue
[13:34]  * asac checks incoming
[13:34] <av`> asac, ftp://ftp.upload.debian.org/pub/UploadQueue/
[13:34] <asac> ftp://ftp-master.debian.org/pub/UploadQueue/
[13:34] <asac> hehe
[13:35] <asac> yeah found it
[13:35] <asac> ;)
[13:35] <av`> asac, connman is there
[13:35] <av`> :)
[13:35] <asac> just noticed that i didnt know that url anymore /me tried http.../pub/incoming/
[13:35] <av`> incoming are accepted uploads e.g already processed by dinstall
[13:36] <asac> right ;)
[13:36] <asac> poor folks .... see a bunch of dcut files there too
[13:36] <asac> when will ftp-master folks finally allow override?
[13:36] <asac> that would be like a boost in this millenium
[13:37] <av`> dunno, but I know they did some cool changes to dak
[13:37] <av`> like buildd auto-sign
[13:37] <asac> i think the reason was that debians mindset is paranoid and think someone can sabotage them by overwrriting while you upload ;)
[13:38] <av`> ubuntu uses dak too
[13:38] <asac> like ... i upload ffox ... then someone just uploads some garbage over my file ;)
[13:38] <av`> yeah
[13:38] <asac> av`: we dont use dak anymore
[13:38] <asac> last use of dak was security ... which (luckily) is now dead
[13:38] <asac> everything is soyuz
[13:38] <av`> scottk mentioned dak the other day
[13:38] <av`> e.g soyouz is based on dak
[13:39] <asac> well ... ;) ... you can stretch that definition quite far for sure
[13:39] <av`> yeah
[13:39] <asac> for me there are two enemies in debian:
[13:39] <asac> a) no overwrite
[13:39] <asac> b) no source only uploads
[13:39] <asac> both combined can be the hell
[13:39] <asac> and
[13:39] <asac> c) security upload dak is a complete mess
[13:40] <av`> debian will be setup source only uploads
[13:40] <av`> in the future
[13:40] <av`> I guess
[13:40] <asac> when i still did all the security uploads for mozilla (e.g. when backports were needed)
[13:40] <asac> we sometimes fought together with security team, ftp-masters and others to get an upload in for a week or more
[13:41] <av`> I hope things are better now
[13:41] <asac> like: partial upload broken because of reconnect -> dcut works, -> dak thinks the tarball is already there, but cannot find it and always gets a checksum mismatch
[13:41] <asac> i hope too
[13:41] <asac> i said that i will never do any security upload for other mozilla team members until a) and b) are fixed ;)
[13:42] <asac> so when thats done, i will probably be more active again ;)
[13:42] <asac> atm there is still security upstream support ... lets see what happens with debian after december
[13:42] <av`> well, binary uploads are somewhat nice
[13:42] <asac> *we* will have a tough time too
[13:42] <av`> e.g so ppl test before pushing
[13:42] <asac> i want to upgrade hardy to xulrunner-1.9.1 -> 1.9.2 :(
[13:43] <asac> av`: to some degree the testing is true ... but ... uploading 40M vs. 150M is a completely different story ;)
[13:43] <asac> with all the -dbg packages etc.
[13:43] <asac> especially if you have to push that 3 times ;)
[13:43] <av`> yeah, that's not nice with huge packages
[13:43] <asac> tbird, ffox, xulrunner (and even iceape)
[13:44] <av`> but works fine with small / medium ones
[13:44] <asac> so when i didn those four i could bet on having at least a connection drop for one of the packages
[13:44] <asac> with all the pain and wrestling ;)
[13:44] <av`> maintaining those packages is a pain
[13:44] <av`> e.g building / testing / uploading
[13:44] <av`> you get crazy
[13:44] <asac> its ok ... but you just need good infrastructure
[13:45] <asac> ubuntu is quite close when all the ppa builders are there
[13:45] <asac> have daily builds => push without testing ;)
[13:45] <asac> test binaries built ... for final QA sign off
[13:45] <asac> etc.
[13:45] <av`> anyway I hate uploading binaries
[13:45] <asac> but yes. thats insane ;) ... i lost a few disks because of all the spinning
[13:46] <asac> but that was really just in debian time ... i only build a upstream tree here now
[13:46] <asac> so i can do incremental builds after pulling latest
[13:46] <asac> for development
[13:46] <asac> and just sometimes a full respin
[13:46] <asac> and packages are unlikely to fail because we just adjust patches i did in upstream tree ... and also have dailies etc.
[13:47] <av`> the nice thing of debian are the buildd machines available for developers
[13:47] <asac> wel ... from time to time i do a full package build ... e.g. when refactoring or trying something new in packages
[13:47] <asac> true
[13:47] <av`> e.g you have tons of several different archs to test stuff
[13:47] <asac> but its much more needed there
[13:47] <asac> because of the excotic archs
[13:48] <asac> otoh, in debian most folks dont use that service
[13:48] <asac> afaik
[13:48] <av`> yeah, the service is there but not a lot of ppl use it
[13:48] <asac> and buildiung is often not the problem
[13:48] <asac> and working on a sparc sigbus in firefox isnt good ;)
[13:49] <av`> which firefox release will we have in lucid?
[13:49] <asac> at least 3.6
[13:49] <asac> maybe even 3.7
[13:49] <asac> if mozilla really releases in a 4 month beat now ... ;)
[13:50] <asac> which is why we have to redo everything :/
[13:50] <asac> basically 3.6 -> 3.7 etc. is now considered a minor update
[13:50] <asac> (at least thats the discussion)
[13:50] <asac> so we dont get any security support at all ;)
[13:50] <asac> so we have to ride those new minor/major updates
[13:50] <av`> which improvements will it have?
[13:51] <asac> speed
[13:51] <av`> and what about chromium? will it be pushed into universe?
[13:51] <asac> i think thats the main focus still ...
[13:51] <asac> thats the plan
[13:51] <asac> chromium is a huge license mess
[13:51] <asac> also want to put that in debian
[13:51] <asac> but i dont see that happening soon
[13:51] <av`> would be nice, but debian has strict licensing stuff
[13:51] <asac> ubutu we might be able to get good-faith permission to upload a license buggy chrome ...
[13:51] <asac> in debian thats possible too .. but requires far more discussion
[13:52] <av`> which license is it under?
[13:52] <asac> causing huge flames etc ;)
[13:52] <asac> av`: chromium is a mix of a whole new universe :)
[13:52] <asac> i think chromium itself code is apache
[13:52] <asac> or bsd ... which is what google usually uses
[13:52] <asac> but webkit, and the other thousand dependencies are just pulled in from outside etc.
[13:53] <asac> with variouslicense ... some without explicit license
[13:53] <asac> and they are definitly not all mutually compatible
[13:53] <asac> all i saw are at least compatible in one direction
[13:53] <asac> but figuring out if they are used in the other direction is tough
[13:54] <asac> but maybe thats not an issue
[13:54] <asac> so the complete work is most likely just GPL
[13:54] <av`> I guess that having it into universe will make tons of ppl happy
[13:54] <asac> but even there i am not sure if all are GPL2+ or GPL2 or GPL3+ or GPL3
[13:54] <asac> which is scary as you could not distribute GPL3 with GPL2 ;)
[13:54] <asac> sure
[13:55] <asac> and we have to find a way ;)
[13:55] <av`> I study law, and I think I gonna choose an exam about pc licenses
[13:55] <asac> law?
[13:55] <asac> interesting
[13:55] <av`> yep
[13:55] <asac> licensing is intersting ;)
[13:56] <asac> but i think its quite well understood
[13:56] <asac> so nothing to do real research on ... guess some lawyers will disagree ;)
[13:57] <av`> I am studying latin law atm
[13:57] <av`> plus politic economy
[13:58] <av`> exams to be given at genuary / february
[13:58] <av`> two books around ~1000 pages
[13:59] <av`> I'll get crazy before becoming a lawier
[13:59] <asac> i never would have succeeded to get a good grade in law ... my brain is not ment to learn stuff like that ;)
[14:00] <asac> i am quite good to get excited about things i have no interest in, but that i have to learn ... but law is just too much
[14:00] <av`> yes, reading a law's book needs a fresh brain
[14:00] <av`> e.g you can't study at night
[14:01] <asac> for me the law is simple: just behave in the same way you want everyone else to behave ;) ... like kant
[14:01] <asac> everything else should get punished ... ;)
[14:01] <av`> lol
[14:01] <av`> would be nice to have that rule only
[14:01] <asac> like folks trying to get the maximum out of law loopholes -> go to prison
[14:01] <av`> so I wouldnt need to study so much
[14:02] <cwillu> yay for formally undecidable laws
[14:02] <asac> i think the next important step that law has to get is to find way to properly include common ethics in law
[14:02] <cwillu> start by defining 'loophole' :p
[14:02] <asac> cwillu: right. thats why i say, that its one of the things philosophie and law have to figure
[14:03] <asac> first ... only then life on this planet will be good and just and nice for everyone ;)
[14:03] <av`> law should be more strict in italy
[14:03] <asac> more strict is quite a wide definition
[14:03] <av`> here everyone do whatever they want
[14:03] <asac> personally i think we are too strict in some areas
[14:03] <asac> and not strict enough in others
[14:03] <av`> we should learn from german laws
[14:04] <av`> or better we should learn to apply laws correctly like germans do
[14:04] <asac> like we do?
[14:04] <asac> i am not sure we do
[14:04] <asac> maybe applying law is done properly
[14:04] <asac> but the law themselves are a mess
[14:05] <av`> some ppl here kill 2-3 other ppl and gets only 10 years of prison
[14:05] <av`> and then they go out after 3 years for another law introduced in the meantime
[14:05] <asac> i think law science has not even reached the state that they understand how to refactor laws ...with not many regressions ... instead of just adding more laws on top
[14:06] <av`> well, the italian constitution would need a cleanup
[14:06] <av`> we have rules from 1800
[14:06] <av`> and they still apply!
[14:06] <asac> yeah. well. so for murder here you get "life-sentence", which unless the judge says you are obviously dangerous forever, means 15 year
[14:06] <av`> murder for me is forever prison
[14:07] <asac> otherwise you get in a high security mental institution after the 15 years of prision for rest of life
[14:07] <asac> but then we also had those folks go shopping with some guards in city ... and escaped ;)
[14:09] <av`> we have mafia here, which kills everything in the south of italy
[14:09] <asac> but yeah. i think its pretty messed up too ... like child rapers sometimes get 2 years or so ;)
[14:09] <av`> they even went to germany to do a murder
[14:09] <av`> don't know if you remember it
[14:09] <av`> don't remember the city name where it happeend
[14:09] <av`> * happened
[14:09] <asac> but also our old chancellor burried money for his party he good from bribers (weapon deals) ... and then refused to say who that was, and where he got that money from :)
[14:10] <asac> and he never went to prison
[14:10] <asac> s/good/got/
[14:10] <av`> yeah, politician are the worst ppl
[14:10] <av`> they have contacts with the mafia around here
[14:10] <av`> and they cooperate with them
[14:11] <asac> and a bunch of other folks still in government also forgot that someone gave them 100k EUR and just had that in their rooms ;)
[14:11] <asac> "oh, i don know where that came from ... must have forgotten it. sorry"
[14:11] <av`> oh I thought that just in italy we had such things
[14:11] <asac> no ... unfortunately we had that too (and still there are some folks around ... and noone got in prison)
[14:12] <asac> but i hope italy is worse
[14:12] <asac> :-P
[14:12] <av`> yes
[14:12] <av`> it is
[14:12] <asac> i know
[14:12] <av`> did you read 'gomorra' book?
[14:13] <av`> from an italian writer?
[14:13] <asac> nope
[14:13] <av`> it is now translated in ~100 languages already
[14:13] <av`> so should be available in germany too
[14:13] <asac> hmm. are you running the -security ppa or karmic?
[14:13] <asac> is firefox also slow?
[14:13] <asac> like often stops reacting etc.?
[14:13] <av`> I am running karmic yes
[14:13] <asac> i think thats the sqlite we had in security
[14:13] <asac> i mean ... in the ppa
[14:14] <av`> nope, don't have security ppa enabled
[14:14] <asac> good ... but you have latest ffox?
[14:14] <av`> yep
[14:14] <asac> like rolled yesterday
[14:14] <asac> ok... and no speed issues?
[14:14] <asac> hmm
[14:14] <asac> ii  libsqlite3-0                        3.6.16-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>              SQLite 3 shared library
[14:15] <asac> let me downgrade for a while ...
[14:15] <av`> I have 3.5.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu6~asac3
[14:15] <av`> after the latest dist-upgrade I did
[14:16] <asac> hmm. where does that come from?
[14:16] <av`> your ppa I guess
[14:16] <av`> that's what I have in sources.list
[14:16] <asac> i dont load ~asac3 things to official channels i hope
[14:16] <asac> av`: asac?
[14:16] <asac> ok
[14:16] <asac> av`: security should have 3.5.4 now
[14:16] <asac> i mean ... real archvie security/-updates
[14:16] <av`> let me update
[14:17] <asac> ii  firefox-3.5                         3.5.4+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>     safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[14:17] <av`> mirrors are so damn slow now
[14:17] <asac> security.ubuntu.com is not a mirror
[14:18] <asac> maybe you dont have that enabled=
[14:18] <asac> ?
[14:18] <asac> (at least not mirrored with delay)
[14:18] <av`> Trovato http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security/restricted Packages
[14:18] <av`> should be this one
[14:18] <asac> yeah
[14:18] <asac> no
[14:18] <asac> thats just restricted
[14:18] <av`> I have others too
[14:18] <asac> eb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-security restricted main multiverse universe
[14:18] <asac> eb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-security restricted main multiverse universe
[14:19] <av`> yes, he wants me to update ffox
[14:19] <asac> k
[14:19] <asac> give that a try ;)
[14:19] <asac> and see if it gets slower
[14:19]  * asac checks what he uploaded to own ppa
[14:20] <av`> damn my karmic installation hanged out
[14:20] <av`> cause my bad dvd drive
[14:20] <av`> omg
[14:20] <asac> ah ok. those are test builds for the last upload i did before RC freeze
[14:22] <asac> av`: so what are your ideas/plans for lucid ;)?
[14:22] <av`> I gonna start my work for the desktop team plus I'll keep doing my work on mozilla extensions etc
[14:22] <asac> k
[14:23] <asac> will you help keeping extensions in sync in debian/ubuntu?
[14:23] <av`> sure
[14:23] <av`> plus I have GNOME stuff in debian too
[14:23] <asac> yeah noticed
[14:23] <asac> are you gnome team member there? or just individual packages?
[14:24] <av`> gnome team member
[14:24] <av`> e.g commit rights to all GNOME packages
[14:24] <av`> I'm into gnome-pkg-tools as well
[14:24] <av`> plus I have NM
[14:24] <av`> so enough
[14:25] <asac> nm?
[14:25] <av`> yes
[14:25] <asac> with mbiebl?
[14:25] <asac> or did he orphan that?
[14:25] <av`> new maintainer
[14:25] <av`> not network manager
[14:25] <av`> :)
[14:25] <asac> ah ;)
[14:25] <av`> enough stuff to do
[14:25] <asac> ack
[14:25] <asac> very good
[14:26] <av`> feel free to ask me if you need anything
[14:29] <asac> will do
[14:29] <asac> ok out for a bit ... enjoy your sat
[14:30] <av`> you too! cya later
[16:27] <JanC> asac: +1 on refactoring law instead of having a law that changes some laws that changed a lot of laws that changed even more laws, ... and then *after* it's voted someone sees that if you apply all the changes some parts of law became complete garbage...  ;)
[16:28] <JanC> it's like writing patches by hand and not testing them now  :P
[20:30] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/306185/ any idea what could cause that? (running valgrind on x64)
[20:45] <fta> hm, seems i just need libc6-dbg. I wonder why it's not needed on x86
[21:52] <mac_v> asac: tabs on top , hmmm...  not very ideal :/   >  https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/4.0_Linux_Theme_Mockups   , it increases the distance that needs to be traveled by the pointer , to the tabs :(
[21:53] <JanC> OTOH, it's more logical  ;)
[22:03] <fta> looks 99% like chromium to me
[22:19] <mac_v> JanC: logically i agree :) sure , by still :)