[13:28] <zeroseven0183> @zakame
[13:34] <zakame> zeroseven0183: hey!  how was your party? sorry I couldn't attend
[13:35] <zeroseven0183> Funfilled and foodfilled hehehe
[13:35] <zeroseven0183> Five lang kami pero masaya
[13:35] <zeroseven0183> 2 more notebooks with Ubuntu
[13:35] <zeroseven0183> mas focused yung discussion and fellowship
[13:35] <zakame> nice nice :)
[13:36] <zeroseven0183> I'll upload the pictures sa G+ account ko
[13:36] <zakame> cool :)
[13:37] <zakame> looks like the pressed CDs will be here by Monday, TNT tracking says they're at Hong Kong now
[13:37] <zakame> I'll send a box your way
[13:37] <zeroseven0183> Wow malapit na
[13:37] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[13:37] <zeroseven0183> Can you send it sa office?
[13:38] <zakame> sure just email your address
[13:38] <zeroseven0183> Sure
[13:39] <zeroseven0183> A good portion of the place was ours from 1:30 to 7:30
[13:39] <zeroseven0183> free Wifi
[13:40] <zakame> wow that long
[13:40] <zakame> weekends are best for parties indeed
[13:41] <zeroseven0183> Yup
[13:53] <zeroseven0183> Next releast party should be in Baguio, right @Knightlust
[14:06] <zakame> heheeh
[14:06] <zakame> bbl
[15:10] <Knightlust> zeroseven0183: *cough* *cough*
[15:10] <zeroseven0183> Hahaha
[15:10] <zeroseven0183> Siempre
[15:11]  * Knightlust ducks and tries to sneak away
[15:11] <Knightlust> hehehe


[04:44] <Symmetria> morning all
[05:02] <superfly> hi Symmetria
[05:03] <Symmetria> lo superfly
[05:13] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:13] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:57] <magespawn> morning all
[06:00] <superfly> morning magespawn
[06:00] <superfly> Kilos: I have seen some photos of kbmonkey in Cape Town, it looks like he's having a ball
[06:01] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[06:01] <Kilos> lol ty superfly
[06:01] <Kilos> on G+ ??
[06:01] <superfly> yes
[06:02] <Kilos> thats whats using all his data
[06:02] <Kilos> photos and music
[06:03] <Kilos> he must stop having a ball and start working now
[06:03] <Kilos> morning Tonberry
[06:08] <Kilos>  morning maiatoday
[06:08] <magespawn> Kilos I got your message, ty.
[06:08] <Kilos> yw magespawn
[06:09] <Kilos> i love rsync. has saved me stacks
[06:10] <Kilos> even rsync /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:10] <Kilos> the cp command missed too much
[06:10] <Kilos> hi DraZoro
[06:10] <DraZoro> Hello Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> hey Superhuman you a quiet fella hey?
[06:15] <Kilos> DraZoro, how did the studies go?
[06:16] <DraZoro> Kilos, The studies are still in progress. I am starting with the exams next month
[06:16] <Kilos> whew good luck man
[06:16] <Kilos> study hard hey?
[06:16] <DraZoro> Thanks a lot Kilos
[06:17] <DraZoro> Yes will do
[06:25] <magespawn> bbl
[06:37] <Kilos> hi sdehaan
[06:54] <Kilos> lo drussell
[07:01] <Kilos> hey skarr
[07:01] <skarr> good morning Kilos
[07:05] <drussell> Kilos: morning :o)
[07:24] <Squirm> morning
[07:26] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:48] <Kilos> hey Squirm magespawn
[07:49] <Kilos> môre bmg505
[07:59] <Kilos> oh my didnt read properly again in pauly's list mail
[08:45] <maiatoday> oh sorry Kilos, busy, hi
[08:45] <kbmonkey> hello :)
[08:46] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey
[08:47] <Squirm> anyone here used Elastix before? wondering what it's like. can't download it until I have more bandwidth :|
[08:50] <kbmonkey> I found an internet cafe :)
[08:50] <Kilos> yay
[08:51] <Kilos> well you cant go swimming so you might as well sit in there
[08:51] <Kilos> how do they charge kbmonkey
[08:51] <Kilos> per hour or for data used
[08:52] <kbmonkey> per hour, luckily
[08:52] <Kilos> ah
[08:52] <kbmonkey> R35 for 4 hours
[08:53] <Kilos> i hear you are having a ball there
[08:53] <Kilos> thats not bad at todays prices
[08:53] <kbmonkey> sjoe Kilos I tell you one thing, there's some interesting characters
[08:53] <Kilos> connection speed?
[08:53] <Kilos> lol
[08:54] <kbmonkey> speed is fine, no noticeable lag
[08:54] <kbmonkey> im sure they overcharge as well, lol ;P
[08:54] <Kilos> oh so you could actually download what you might need and store onna stick or so?
[08:55] <Kilos> in 4 hours you can download stacks if you have storage tools
[08:57] <kbmonkey> yes, your time also carries over, not like you have to sit here for 4 hours in a go
[08:58] <Kilos> thats not bad
[08:58] <Kilos> what news about the job application?
[08:58] <Kilos> but they all on windows hey?
[08:58] <Kilos> or are there linux cafe's
[08:59] <kbmonkey> i met some people into linux who do networking jobs and such things.
[08:59] <Kilos> ah
[09:00] <kbmonkey> yes im looking at what is out there. i need a koffie, Maaz!
[09:00] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[09:00]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:01] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[09:01] <Maaz> kbmonkey: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[09:01] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[09:01] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[09:02] <kbmonkey> ha ha. attitude bot
[09:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[09:04] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:04] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:05] <kbmonkey> Maaz, ty
[09:05] <Maaz> Enjoy kbmonkey
[09:05] <kbmonkey> battery running low, eek
[09:06] <Kilos> eish
[09:06] <kbmonkey> need a bigger one :]
[09:06] <Kilos> lol
[09:06] <kbmonkey> or power cables, lol
[09:06] <Kilos> yeah
[09:07] <kbmonkey> good idea Kilos, saving pages to disk!
[09:07] <kbmonkey> slim meneer!
[09:07] <magespawn> kbmonkey they very cheap compared to me.
[09:09] <Kilos> magespawn, big city, lotsa competition
[09:09] <magespawn> yup lucky for me
[09:09] <Kilos> you inna one horse town and the horse is dead
[09:10] <Kilos> only donkeys left
[09:11] <kbmonkey> ha ha!
[09:11] <magespawn> ha
[09:11] <Kilos> hehe
[09:14] <kbmonkey> i found out that you can pull youtube videos out from the google chrome browser cache
[09:15] <Kilos> ah good to know but vids eat data
[09:16] <kbmonkey> they do indeed!
[09:16] <kbmonkey> but i need this one of johnny cash playing 'personal jesus'.
[09:16] <Kilos> thats when a cafe like that is helpfull
[09:16] <kbmonkey> shows you how to play it on guitar
[09:17] <Kilos> i enjoy his music
[09:17] <Kilos> great voice
[09:17] <kbmonkey> *thumbs up*
[09:18] <kbmonkey> nice chatting, I need to go before my power cuts me of :]
[09:18] <Kilos> take charger with next time
[09:19] <Kilos> be good
[09:20] <kbmonkey> will do, cheerios ubuntuers
[09:23] <magespawn> was he using his own laptop?
[10:00] <Kilos> looks like. them and fones batteries go flat
[10:00] <Kilos> oh ya . he said he is only taking the lappy for now
[10:25] <magespawn> got to go sell you all later.
[10:26] <Kilos> k
[10:34] <inetpro> good morning
[10:34] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[10:34] <inetpro> Kilos: heh
[13:50] <Kilos> hi zeref
[15:28] <nlsthzn> o/
[17:45] <Kilos> evening everybody
[17:46] <Kilos> haai nuvolari is jy ok seun
[17:46] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos
[17:47] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn all well there?
[17:48] <nlsthzn> Good-good... and back in ZA land?
[17:48] <Kilos> you are?
[17:48] <Kilos> oh sorry
[17:48] <Kilos> we ok ty
[17:49] <Kilos> thought you were here on hols for a moment
[17:50] <nlsthzn> Kilos: will be this coming December :) Got to show the family we are still alive :p
[17:50] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:54] <nlsthzn> ... so I saved up all my leave for the year and we will be in SA for the month...
[18:27] <Kilos> thats great nlsthzn
[18:27] <Kilos> hard to be away from family for so long
[18:28] <nlsthzn> Yup
[19:31] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight


[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79475 in launchpad "Milestone assignment for a spec shows a long list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79475
[12:40] <kNo`> 10
[12:41] <kNo`> errr.... wrong chanel
[01:15] <luisbg> any launchpad admins around?
[01:16] <LarstiQ> luisbg: what is your question?
[01:17] <LarstiQ> Perhaps an admin is not required and I can help, or they can later read what you want them for :)
[01:18] <luisbg> I want to delete a registered series
[01:18] <luisbg> it isn't a question but a favor
[01:18] <luisbg> since only admins have to permissions to do so
[01:22] <luisbg> tsmithe, we should ask every now and then until we find an admin, cool?
[01:22] <tsmithe> yeah indeedy
[01:26] <LarstiQ> ah.
[01:26] <luisbg> LarstiQ, is that to us?
[01:26] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: did you file a support ticket?
[01:27] <tsmithe> LarstiQ, no - but i commented on the bug
[01:27] <tsmithe> or was that not enough
[01:28] <LarstiQ> bug 2141, right?
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[01:28] <tsmithe> yeah
[01:28] <luisbg> it isn't really a bug since admins can delete it
[01:28] <luisbg> the bug is needing an admin to delete something yours :P
[01:29] <tsmithe> yeaha
[01:29] <LarstiQ> luisbg: the point is, the bug is about the situation existing, the support ticket would be for your concrete request
[01:29] <tsmithe> i'm very tired
[01:29] <tsmithe> luisbg, can you do it
[01:29] <tsmithe> blame me if you want
[01:29] <luisbg> where I have to do it?
[01:29] <tsmithe> hang on
[01:31] <tsmithe> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+tickets
[01:32] <luisbg> cool, doing so
[01:32] <tsmithe> linky me please when done
[01:35] <luisbg> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3206
[01:36] <luisbg> short and explicite =)
[01:38] <Exal|away> Hi, some translator admin around?
[01:39] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: probably not right now, what is your question?
[01:57] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: I only want to belong to spanistransh lation team rigth now
[01:58] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: I have seen that many people is witing for this some back time
[02:01] <Exal|away> *waiting
[02:01] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: that should be an ubuntu internal thing if I understand things correctly. Is the issue that the ubuntu spanish team isn't responsive?
[02:03] <Exal|away> yes
[02:08] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-es/+members mentions you only subscribed today?
[02:09] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: exactly today
[02:10] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: I don't know how that team works, but since there are a lot of people subscribed but not approved, I think there is some step where you need to prove fitness
[02:10] <LarstiQ> so, what should help, is suggesting quality translations in launchpad, I guess
[02:11] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: or ask on http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-es-l10n
[02:11] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: yes, I have sent a mail
[02:11] <Exal|away> I see i.e.: CarlosGaona   2005-09-26
[02:12] <LarstiQ> https://launchpad.net/~carlos
[02:14] <Exal|away> I will sent a mail to Carlos, thanks LarstiQ
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79492 in launchpad-bazaar "Badge branches with import/mirror errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79492
[02:16] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: np
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79493 in launchpad-bazaar "Highlight important branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79493
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79495 in launchpad-bazaar "Inactive branches should "fade away"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79495
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79496 in launchpad-bazaar "Show recent commits across the project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79496
[03:32] <LarstiQ> I don't suppose there any admins around?
[09:06] <Bhaskar> jinty: hello
[09:07] <Bhaskar> jinty: we are going to deploy school at the end of Jan 2007, but still problem in localization, how can we proceed??
[09:07] <Bhaskar> jinty: if we can not get in success in localization, i think some sort of effect for who those involving in localization of schooltool
[09:08] <Bhaskar> jinty:so pls solve all the problems, together
[09:08] <Bhaskar> jinty: if we not success in localized schooltool, our project will dissolved
[09:13] <Bhaskar> jinty: if this project is dissolved, so bad message for schooltool localization in any country
[09:14] <jinty> Bhaskar, I think you'd better ask ignas in #schooltool what is the estimated time for him to be finished with that bug
[09:16] <jinty> Bhaskar, but I do think that, currently, any reasonable deployment of schooltool requires a high level of python/schooltool/zope3 knowledge
[09:16] <Bhaskar> thla: most of time ignas is in offline in #schooltool
[09:17] <jinty> Bhaskar, I think he just starts a bit later in the day
[09:18] <jinty> Bhaskar, I will ask him about it today, if you like?
[09:19] <carlos> morning!
[09:47] <Bhaskar> jinty: you ask with him today
[09:47] <jinty> Bhaskar, yes
[09:47] <Bhaskar> jinty: well
[09:48] <Bhaskar> jinty: i must localise schooltool within Jan
[09:49] <Bhaskar> jinty: otherwise office will decide to disolve this project, so i am in tension
[09:50] <Bhaskar> jinty: specially i am allocated for this project
[09:51] <jinty> Bhaskar, as I said, I will see what I can do.
[09:52] <Bhaskar> jinty: thanks
[12:05] <cprov> stub: thanks for the db on mawson.
[12:19] <stub> cprov: I haven't rebuilt it yet
[12:20] <cprov> stub: err, my bad, it's still broken, then
[12:24] <stub> cprov: it is rebuilding now
[12:24] <cprov> stub: ok
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79535 in malone "Only parses first request in email requests" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79535
[12:46] <danilos> carlos: is bug 79118 something caused by your recent changes?
[12:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79118 in rosetta "Problems with "Need Review" and "Save & Continue"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79118
[12:46] <carlos> danilos: I'm on a phone call with Steve. I will see once I'm done
[12:47] <danilos> carlos: ok, thanks
[12:49] <mantiena> Hi all
[12:50] <mantiena> kiko, are you online ?
[12:50] <kiko> mantiena, yes.
[12:52] <static> gooooood morning launchpad
[12:52] <mantiena> kiko, several months ago you told me, that after few monts I will able to add new milestones/releases in Baltix distro (http://launchpad.net/baltix ), I just tested and still can't (or can't find a way :( ), maybe you can help me ?
[12:52] <mantiena> static, hi
[12:53] <kiko> mantiena, it still is not possible.
[12:53] <mantiena> :(
[12:54] <mantiena> kiko, even launchpad admins can't add new releases for Baltix ?
[12:54] <mantiena> I get an error message "you are not allowed"
[01:08] <mantiena> kiko, so, adding new release is not possible only for me, or not possible even for launchpad admins ?
[01:09] <kiko> mantiena, right, it is currently not possible to anyone.
[01:09] <mantiena> :(
[01:10] <kiko> mantiena, I suggest that for now you use a tag to group bugs arbitrarily
[01:12] <mantiena> kiko, ok, thanks, btw, maybe you know when there will be ability to add new release or at least new milestone (I need just one more milestone) ?
[01:30] <kiko> BjornT, can you confirm bug 79353?
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79353 in ubiquity "Installer crashed installing boot loader" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79353
[01:30] <kiko> err doh
[01:30] <kiko> BjornT, can you confirm bug 79535.
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79535 in malone "Only parses first request in email requests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79535
[01:35] <carlos> danilos: could be a bug introduced by me, yes
[01:35] <carlos> danilos: let me finish with the changes SteveA suggested for TranslationReview and will take a close look to that bug
[01:42] <danilos> carlos: sure, thanks
[01:42] <danilos> I need to drop by bank, pick up "mail" from my parents house, so I am announcing a... lunch break! :)
[01:43] <carlos> danilos: see you later!
[03:27] <SteveA> bug 40173
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40173 in malone "When filing a bug, the popup package search should show package descriptions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40173 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[04:04] <kiko> jordi, my diary now has RSS!!!
[04:06] <WebMaven> SteveA: Hi
[04:09] <Spads_> kiko: do you have a hackergotchi?
[04:13] <kiko> Spads, yeah, I do
[04:13] <Spads> kiko: add yourself to planet ubuntu!
[04:14] <kiko> Spads, how does one do that?
[04:19] <Spads> kiko: there's a bzr tree for the configs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79563 in launchpad "Product release finder script crashes if it can't parse the product version in the given URL." [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79563
[05:05] <SteveA> WebMaven: hello
[05:06] <WebMaven> SteveA: have you figured out yet what kind of sponsorship you'll be doing?
[05:07] <SteveA> yes
[05:07] <SteveA> silver
[05:07] <SteveA> so, thanks for bringing the issue up here initially
[05:07] <WebMaven> Very cool. Have you provided the logos yet?
[05:08] <SteveA> no
[05:08] <SteveA> matthewrevell is doing all that stuff
[05:08] <SteveA> matthewrevell: do you know about getting sponsorship logos to the pycon pepole?
[05:09] <matthewrevell> SteveA: I was just about to ask if you had a contact
[05:09] <WebMaven> matthewrevell: specs here: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/HowToSponsor
[05:10] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Cool, thanks. So, should logo art go to the pycon-sponsors email addr?
[05:10] <WebMaven> I *think* so.
[05:10] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: I'll give that a go.
[05:10] <WebMaven> if not, then surely it will be redirected appropriately.
[05:12] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Nice one. I'm working on our bag inserts as we speak.
[05:12] <WebMaven> SteveA: I assume you talked to Steve Holden about this, right?
[05:13] <WebMaven> SteveA: I mean, that he returned your email inquiry?
[05:13] <SteveA> I had a voice call with Steve
[05:14] <WebMaven> Excellent. Will the logos go up on the site immediately, or after the check clears?
[05:15] <WebMaven> Also, keep in mind that you get to specify the link on the logo, if you want to create a special landing-page.
[05:17] <WebMaven> matthewrevell: don't forget to get the inserts printed and shipped, as well as a banner, should you want to have one hung.
[05:17] <WebMaven> but there is time for that still.
[05:18] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Thanks for the list, that's useful.
[05:18] <matthewrevell> SteveA: You happy for me to get banner pricing from Christina?
[05:18] <SteveA> sure
[05:23] <WebMaven> OK, you guys have it well in hand, so I'll go away now.
[05:25] <WebMaven> SteveA: BTW, I've been checking in fixes for ZAlchemy. Soon I'll be checking in demos as well.
[05:26] <WebMaven> SteveA: Do you think you guys will have a release before PyCon?
[05:27] <SteveA> no
[05:33] <WebMaven> SteveA: OK. I was wondering if an impromptu sprint could be organized. But Oh well.
[05:50] <Snoid_07> hi there!
[05:51] <Snoid_07> anyone from Spanish trasnslation group?
[05:51] <Snoid_07> or Spanish (Spain)
[05:52] <Snoid_07> I don't know the difference between both groups.
[05:53] <kiko> Snoid_07, what's up?
[05:54] <Snoid_07> i'm trying to figure out which group of translation is the one used by american-spanish users
[05:55] <Snoid_07> there's a group called Spanish (Spain) and another called Spanish
[05:55] <Snoid_07> Are the translations the same for both?
[05:57] <kiko> carlos, ping?
[05:57] <kiko> or danilos
[05:57] <carlos> kiko: pong
[05:57] <Snoid_07> i mean, some applications have both groups, not all
[05:57] <kiko> carlos, ^^^
[05:57] <jordi> kiko: I'll subscribe as soon as I get home, mate!
[05:57] <carlos> Snoid_07: usually, it's just 'Spanish'
[05:57] <kiko> heh
[05:57] <Snoid_07> yeah, but... in the case...
[05:57] <heno> kiko: got your mail earlier, thanks. I replied as well.
[05:58] <danilos> Snoid_07: it should be only a single Spanish translation; where there are two, it's usually something locale-based (eg. Gnome Weather applets have "default location", so there is a single translation for every country where Spanish is used in)
[05:58] <carlos> Snoid_07: for Spanish, we try to use a common set of words that can be used for all countries that speak Spanish
[05:58] <kiko> thanks heno
[05:58] <heno> kiko, SteveA: would anyone object if I used Malone to do this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ForumProject/TestTrackingInMalone ?
[05:58] <heno> It's a bit unorthodox ...
[05:58] <heno> not quite bugtracking
[05:59] <Snoid_07> thanks carlos.
[05:59] <carlos> Snoid_07: np
[06:00] <kiko> heno, hmmm.
[06:01] <Snoid_07>  is there a fast mode to translate a present aplication? (talking about Ubuntu). A set of langfiles or something. And if so, where are they located?
[06:02] <Snoid_07> maybe a little offtopic, i know
[06:03] <kiko> Snoid_07, what's a "fast mode", and which application?
[06:04] <Snoid_07> Gnome-panel2.0
[06:04] <Snoid_07> fats mode = where are the langfiles to edit them
[06:04] <Snoid_07> *fast
[06:06] <Snoid_07> fast way, i meant
[06:06] <kiko> Snoid_07, you can download the files and translate them offline
[06:07] <kiko> if that's what you are asking
[06:07] <Snoid_07> yeah! it can be done
[06:27] <heno> kiko: was that 'hmm' as in you'd block my account for spamming? ;) or just slightly odd
[06:27] <kiko> heno, I found it interesting, but I need to think about it
[06:28] <heno> kiko: ok, cool. no rush. I'll speak with Bjorn in Oslo as well
[06:37] <popey> kiko: any luck with the "I am still getting two mails for every one I should get" from the support ticket system in launchpad?
[06:38] <kiko> popey, flacoste_lunch is back from vacation and is going to look into it
[06:38] <popey> thanks
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79593 in launchpad "Do not hardcode the DistributionMirrorTestHTTPServer port on tests" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79593
[07:17] <flacoste> popey: is there a bug filed about that email issue in the support tracker?
[07:28] <kiko> flacoste, I thought it was known and filed, but perhaps not
[07:28] <flacoste> popey: would it it but bug 79072
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79072 in launchpad-support-tracker "Mail from answers are all the same" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79072
[07:28] <flacoste> kiko: ^^^ ?
[07:28] <kiko> lemmy see
[07:30] <kiko> flacoste, well,. I think popey is saying that:
[07:31] <kiko> a) he is a member of a team
[07:31] <kiko> b) he is subscribed to a request
[07:31] <kiko> c) the team is subscribed to a request
[07:31] <kiko> he gets emailed twice
[07:31] <flacoste> hmm, that's possible
[07:31] <kiko> flacoste, there is code in Malone that does this collapsing already btw
[07:32] <flacoste> but does the team has an email address?
[07:32] <flacoste> if it does, this isn't a bug, otherwise it is
[07:33] <matsubara> flacoste: I can confirm what kiko described above. I just got 2 emails from a ticket I just subscribed to.
[07:33] <matsubara> flacoste: and the team doesn't have an email address
[07:33] <flacoste> matsubara: do you know if there is a bug filed about that?
[07:34] <matsubara> flacoste: don't think so. let me look for it
[07:38] <matsubara> flacoste: couldn't find; I'll file a new one.
[07:38] <flacoste> matsubara: thanks, assign it to me and make it Critical
[07:45] <BjornT> flacoste: fwiw, i've also noticed duplicate mails from the support tracker. it's from tickets for products where Launchpad QA are support contacts, but i'm not subscribed to the tickets. for example #3206
[07:46] <flacoste> BjornT: you received duplicate emails?
[07:47] <flacoste> BjornT: to which addresses?
[07:48] <BjornT> flacoste: yeah. to my preferred email address, bjorn.tillenius _a_ gmail.com
[07:49] <BjornT> flacoste: it doesn't happen for every notification, though, only a few.
[07:50] <flacoste> weird
[07:50] <flacoste> i'll report another bug about that
[07:54] <BjornT> yeah. i took a look at it last week, but i couldn't reproduce it locally.
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79615 in launchpad-support-tracker "Launchpad sends 2 emails when person is direct subscribed to a request and is also a member of a team subscribed to the request" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79615
[07:58] <flacoste> matsubara: since you are also a member of Launchpad QA, can you confirm this behaviour for ticket #3206 ?
[08:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:01] <kiko> hello mpt
[08:01] <kiko> mpt, what's your /practical/ comment on bug 44041?
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44041 in malone "Only the leftmost section of the yellow "Affects/Status/Severity/Assigned To" status bar is clickable" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44041 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[08:01] <kiko> only practical comments are allowed -- no cynical or blue-skies
[08:01] <kiko> mpt, and/or bug 1095 too :-)
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095
[08:02] <matsubara> flacoste: I do have duplicate emails and they date back from before I subscribed to the request.
[08:02] <matsubara> flacoste: now I'm confused. I don't know if the bug I just reported is the real cause or something else.
[08:02] <mpt> kiko, for 44041 I'd reject it, because clicking on the assignee name should go to that assignee's bugs
[08:02] <mpt> kiko, for 44041 I'd reject it, because I think clicking on the assignee name going to that assignee's bugs is appropriate behavior
[08:03] <mpt> gah
[08:04] <BjornT> flacoste: btw, is should add that i mean really duplicated messages. meaning that even the Message-Id is the same. looking at a code it looks like something is happening after simple_sendmail() is called. (since afaics, a new message-id is generated for each address?)
[08:04] <kiko> mpt, should we have a twisty or something that graphically indicates the expansion too, then?
[08:04] <mpt> kiko, for 1095, I don't think there is a practical solution without substantial changes to the bug page, though the situation should improve a bit when the expand/collapse widgets are restored.
[08:05] <BjornT> flacoste: so it could be that the issue is with how the mail sending is integrated into the transaction system.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79617 in launchpad-support-tracker "Sometime duplicate notifications are sent to team members" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79617
[08:07] <kiko> mpt, are we restoring them? yes!
[08:07] <mpt> kiko, see the spec :-)
[08:32] <popey> kiko: flacoste no, its not that I am in a team that gets the mails
[08:33] <popey> I am subscribed to the answers as an individual
[08:33] <flacoste> popey: do you receive duplicate notifications for all of them or only some?
[08:46] <Gwaihir> sorry guys...
[08:46] <Gwaihir> does Rosetta handle Universe packages for translations?
[08:46] <mpt> Gwaihir, no
[08:46] <kiko> it does not, Gwaihir
[08:47] <Gwaihir> ah ok... I was talking in MOTU but they say it does
[09:16] <LarstiQ> hmm
[09:16] <LarstiQ> perhaps someone in here has access to escudero and can help me out?
[09:17] <kiko> hmmm
[09:17] <kiko> ddaa?
[09:17] <ddaa> Yay
[09:17] <ddaa> I have some superveal powers on escudera
[09:17] <ddaa> s/escudera/escudero/
[09:18] <LarstiQ> ddaa: including what becomes http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/src/ ?
[09:18] <ddaa> hu, no, not that
[09:19] <LarstiQ> feh.
[09:19] <ddaa> prolly poolie, lifeless, and maybe j-a-meinel have access there
[09:19] <LarstiQ> they do, but aren't very responsive atm.
[09:19] <ddaa> otherwise we can bug a sysadmin for you
[09:20] <ddaa> if it's like really urgent OMG
[09:20] <LarstiQ> no, it's not OMG urgent.
[09:20] <LarstiQ> it's 0.14rc1-announcement-delaying urgent
[09:20] <ddaa> *shrug*
[09:21] <LarstiQ> I'll just go ahead opening up bzr.dev first then.
[09:31] <Odd_Bloke> Hi guys, the FAQ seems to suggest that Lauchpad will host Bazaar branches which can be committed to. We currently have a mirror of our own branch set up on Launchpad but would like to make the full transfer. Is this possible?
[09:32] <thumper> ddaa: can you talk Odd_Bloke through this?
[09:33] <kiko> it will not be a happy story
[09:33] <thumper> Odd_Bloke: this is a topic that has been in discussion for some time, and the conclusion that we had got to at this stage is that you cannot convert a branch
[09:33] <ddaa> hu...
[09:34] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: short answer you can
[09:34] <thumper> you can however push to a new branch
[09:34] <ddaa> you cannot
[09:34] <Odd_Bloke> Pushing to a new branch would retain the revision history, no?
[09:34] <thumper> yes
[09:35] <thumper> it effectively makes an entire new repository on the server
[09:35] <ddaa> The recommended way is that you mark the existing branch as "Abandoned", add "-deleted" to its name, and forget about it. Then push the branch to sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net
[09:35] <thumper> ddaa: see it is asked for :)
[09:35] <ddaa> I damn well know this feature is asked for.
[09:35] <thumper> ddaa: I know, it was a friendly gib
[09:36] <ddaa> and I think I documented the issue we need to fix before implementing it
[09:36] <LarstiQ> thumper: while technically correct, did you really mean repository?
[09:36] <ddaa> LarstiQ: repository as in .bzr/repository
[09:36] <ddaa> not as in bzr init-repository
[09:36] <Odd_Bloke> OK, so forget the existing branch and then 'bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net'?
[09:36] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: right
[09:36] <LarstiQ> ddaa: that is why I say, technically correct.
[09:37] <LarstiQ> ddaa: there is still confusion about branches/repositories/workingtrees
[09:37] <Odd_Bloke> And then to pull it out again it's just 'bzr pull sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net'?
[09:37] <thumper> LarstiQ: I'm obviously still confused about that then
[09:37] <kiko> LarstiQ, that is definitely true
[09:37] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the first time you'll need to compose the sftp url by hand. It's moderately tricky. There is currently a patch deployed on edge.launchpad.net that gives instruction to other users on how to commit to this branch, including the full sftp url.
[09:37] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: to pull out you have two options
[09:38] <ddaa> either http://bazaar.launchpad.net for public read-only
[09:38] <ddaa> or sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net for restricted read-write
[09:38] <ddaa> only members of the team owning the branch can use the sftp url
[09:38] <ddaa> though it's recommended to "bzr checkout" from sftp instead of "bzr pull"
[09:39] <thumper> ddaa: why?
[09:39] <ddaa> see http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/08/17/1
[09:39] <Odd_Bloke> This may be a stupid question, but how does the Launchpad server know what to relate the pushed branch to?
[09:39] <thumper> k
[09:39] <ddaa> thumper: because checkout is the right way to work on multi-committer branches.
[09:39] <LarstiQ> ddaa: hmkay
[09:39] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: what do you mean by "what"?
[09:40] <thumper> ddaa: but pull is fine if it is just a private branch
[09:40] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: Hold on, I'll try doing this first and then if I have problems I'll ask. :p
[09:40] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the launchpad product is determined by the sftp URL
[09:41] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the launchpad owner is determined by the sftp URL
[09:41] <ddaa> the user logging in is determined by the sftp handshake (ssh login and ssh key)
[09:42] <ddaa> thumper: yes, but Odd_Bloke is interested in making a multi-committer branch :)
[09:43] <thumper> fair enough
[09:44] <ddaa> it also has nicer defaults, because push does not default to the parent
[09:45] <ddaa> the common use case with pull-push is "pull from somebody else, push to my public place"
[09:45] <ddaa> here, we have "push and pull from the same place"
[09:45] <ddaa> also, if it is a private branch, you do not need to pull, since you just push new data.
[09:46] <Odd_Bloke> I'm getting "Branches must be inside a person or team directory." errors...
[09:46] <ddaa> ...
[09:46] <LarstiQ> Odd_Bloke: what are you using as url to push to?
[09:47] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the sftp URL needs to conform to the syntax described there: https://code.launchpad.net/
[09:47] <ddaa> or there: http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
[09:48] <ddaa> if you give me more details (your launchpad account name, the product, the team, the branch name) I can tell you the exact URL to use.
[09:50] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: Thanks, that seems to now be working.
[09:50] <ddaa> what's the url of the branch page?
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> https://code.launchpad.net/~gryle-devel/+branch/gryle/trunk
[09:52] <Odd_Bloke> Just got the confirmation from bzr.
[09:53] <Odd_Bloke> And the timestamp of the error on the page is before the push had completed.
[09:53] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: yeah, known bug
[09:53] <ddaa> the error should disappear in 10 mins
[09:53] <ddaa> ideally, we would track sftp sessions to avoid this race
[09:54] <Odd_Bloke> Just doing a checkout into a different directory as a test.
[09:55] <bdmurray> I'm having an issue pushing a branch to launchpad, is this the right place to look for assistance?
[09:55] <ddaa> duh!
[09:55] <ddaa> bdmurray: absolutely
[09:55] <ddaa> Looks like this FAQ entry suddently increased my popularity by a tenfold :)
[09:55] <bdmurray> The error is: bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does not exist.
[09:56] <ddaa> mh
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: That's worked, thanks again.
[09:57] <ddaa> bdmurray: I thought this bug was fixed. Try adding the "--create-prefix" option to bzr push.
[09:58] <bdmurray> ddaa: yes, that fixed it
[09:58] <ddaa> bdmurray: by the way, what was the full command you entered to get this error?
[09:58] <bdmurray>  bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:58] <ddaa> looks good
[09:59] <ddaa> weird, I cannot see the branch there https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/+branches
[09:59] <bdmurray> hmm, looking at the output again it says 0 revisions pushed
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79637 in malone "Code that constructs the nomination +editstatus URL wrongly assumes ILaunchBag.bugtask will not return None." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79637
[10:01] <ddaa> bdmurray: it looks like you are acting confused
[10:02] <ddaa> bdmurray: check that the current directory in your shell is indeed within the branch you intend to upload ("bzr info", or "bzr log | less")
[10:02] <ddaa> and paste the last command you ran with its full output to some pastebin
[10:03] <ddaa> this feature works very reliably, but it's a bit confusing to use at first.
[10:04] <bdmurray> ddaa: I believe I see the issue.  The publish to branch is different than the push url.  How would I change the publish to branch?
[10:05] <ddaa> The branch you have was created with "bzr checkout", right?
[10:06] <ddaa> bdmurray: it would be easier for me to help if you showed me the output of bzr info and the command you ran and its output.
[10:06] <bdmurray> it looks like I initially used "bzr branch" and not "bzr checkout", if I recall correctly I received an error with bzr checkout
[10:07] <ddaa> because now I can only speculate
[10:08] <bdmurray> bzr info and my failing push command correct?
[10:08] <ddaa> yes please
[10:09] <flacoste> matsubara, kiko: can one of you run a query for me on staging?
[10:09] <kiko> yes
[10:09] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.com/860792
[10:11] <flacoste> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filelmFvE7.html
[10:11] <flacoste> kiko: just tell me how long this takes to execute
[10:12] <flacoste> i'm trying what I think is a trivial fix to the +needsattention timeout
[10:12] <kiko> it's pretty fast flacoste
[10:13] <flacoste> great, the timeout was caused by a typo then!
[10:13] <kiko> what typo?
[10:13] <kiko> https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileocuOlP.html
[10:13] <kiko> it could be table locks
[10:13] <flacoste> in the last subselect, the outer select was referenced by mistake
[10:13] <kiko> or different data causing different behaviours
[10:13] <kiko> etc
[10:13] <flacoste> Ticket.id instead of t.id
[10:14] <flacoste> really silly
[10:14] <flacoste> kiko: compare with https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filezkusuL.html
[10:15] <kiko> flacoste, that is even faster
[10:15] <flacoste> really?
[10:16] <flacoste> that doesn't make sense!?!
[10:16] <ddaa> bdmurray: checking
[10:16] <ddaa> this is weird
[10:16] <bdmurray> thanks
[10:18] <ddaa> So... you previously did "bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which failed because there is no product "bughelper.main" in launchpad.
[10:18] <flacoste> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filemlD5RP.html is the actual query timeing out, can you check what is its performance on staging?
[10:20] <ddaa> bdmurray: try "bzr info<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and paste the command and output, please.
[10:20] <kiko> flacoste, /that/ query takes a long time.
[10:20] <ddaa> bdmurray: it looks like this URL is not interpreted correctly, and that there's already a branch there.
[10:21] <salgado> mpt, ping!
[10:21] <flacoste> kiko, the the difference are the prejoins, could this be the problem?
[10:21] <kiko> sure it could
[10:21] <kiko> definitely
[10:21] <kiko> in particular if there are missing indexes
[10:21] <mpt> salgado, nice ping you've got there :-)
[10:22] <salgado> heh
[10:22] <flacoste> kiko, they should have indices
[10:22] <salgado> mpt, I'm fixing bug 70518 and I was wondering if you could give me some help on the text that will go in the email...
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70518 in launchpad "Notify team members when their membership is going to expire" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70518 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[10:23] <flacoste> kiko, just to make sure the typo isn't the culprit, can you try https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileUZdMcW.html
[10:23] <bdmurray> ddaa: http://pastebin.com/860802 - which URL is not interprested correctly?
[10:23] <ddaa> bdmurray: you need to install paramiko
[10:23] <ddaa> sftp won't work without it
[10:23] <kiko> flacoste, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file1bO1Id.html
[10:24] <ddaa> bdmurray: and you should also delete<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:24] <ddaa> actually
[10:24] <flacoste> kiko: is that the query with or without the typo?
[10:24] <ddaa> bdmurray: you should delete /home/theman/ubuntu/bughelper.main/sftp:
[10:24] <flacoste> and how do you get the query plan and the runtime?
[10:25] <kiko> flacoste, that's the last  query you gave me
[10:25] <flacoste> ah, explain analyze
[10:25] <kiko> flacoste, right.
[10:25] <ddaa> bdmurray: what version of bzr are you using? If it's the latest (0.13), please bug the #bzr folks about this  failure mode on my behalf.
[10:27] <bdmurray> ddaa: I believe I am running that latest version for Dapper - 0.8.2
[10:27] <mpt> salgado, is there a standard procedure for applying for membership renewal?
[10:27] <ddaa> oh...
[10:27] <bdmurray> Is it still worth reporting?
[10:27] <ddaa> nope
[10:28] <ddaa> 0.8.2 is old history, let me dig the apt.sources line you shoud add to get a recent bzr
[10:28] <salgado> mpt, no
[10:28] <ddaa> the bzr folks are trying to get a UVF exception to update bzr on Dapper
[10:28] <bdmurray> UVF?
[10:28] <ddaa> Upstream Version Freeze
[10:29] <LarstiQ> ddaa: 0.14rc1 just got uploaded
[10:29] <kiko> congrats LarstiQ
[10:29] <ddaa> bdmurray: basically, so the default bzr version on dapper will be 0.13 or something more usable than 0.8
[10:29] <bdmurray> ddaa: Does the information about paramiko belong here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto ?
[10:30] <ddaa> bdmurray: debhttp://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/./
[10:30] <ddaa> details are found there http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[10:31] <ddaa> bdmurray: I do not know, but it sounds like a good place to put a warning.
[10:31] <mpt> salgado, would it be fairly easy to print the list of team administrators in this message?
[10:31] <ddaa> bdmurray: I am not an Ubuntu person, I just do Launchpad and Bazaar.
[10:31] <bdmurray> ddaa: okay, I'll add it in just in case.  Thanks for all of your help.
[10:31] <salgado> mpt, yes, that's trivial
[10:32] <ddaa> bdmurray: you're more than welcome, don't forget to tell your friend how nice and helpful the Launchpad folks are :)
[10:32] <ddaa> s/friend/friends/
[10:32] <bdmurray> ddaa: will do. ;)
[10:34] <flacoste> kiko: what about that one https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileWQsrFa.html ?
[10:34] <mpt> salgado, are you intending to implement a separate "Your membership has expired" message for when it actually does expire?
[10:34] <kiko> flacoste, still slow.
[10:35] <salgado> mpt, that is already implemented. I'll paste it so you can see what it looks like
[10:35] <mpt> cool
[10:38] <flacoste> kiko: and that one: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filefVrPtI.html
[10:38] <salgado> mpt, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filexq53uc.html
[10:38] <mpt> salgado, that message won't work for expiry
[10:38] <mpt> because there will be no reviewer_name
[10:38] <mpt> right?
[10:38] <salgado> mpt, the reviewer in that case is the Team Membership Janitor, a celebrity
[10:39] <mpt> ugh
[10:40] <mpt> "The status of your membership in the team Fighters Against Software Anthropomorphism was changed by Team Membership Janitor from Approved to Expired."
[10:40] <mpt> anyway
[10:42] <mpt> ("And don't argue, because it was a celebrity who changed it.")
[10:42] <mpt> salgado, I commented on #70518 with a suggested template
[10:42] <salgado> hah. I'll hardcode that as the comment in this case
[10:43] <salgado> thanks mpt!
[10:43] <mpt> and while I was writing it, I realized that we should have standard boilerplate: "(This is an automated message. Replies to this address will not be read.)"
[10:44] <salgado> yeah, that'd be nice indeed
[10:46] <salgado> mpt, all other membership notification emails have a 'Launchpad:' prefix in their subjects. do you have something against it?
[10:49] <mpt> no, I just didn't know that
[10:50] <salgado> I guess it's okay for me to add it to the subject you suggested, then?
[10:50] <mpt> sure
[10:56] <bdmurray> ddaa: do you know whom I would talk to about the bzr website?
[10:57] <salgado> mpt, one last question... when you write "<{url of foo}>", does it mean that the "<>" should be included in the final version?
[10:57] <ddaa> bdmurray: matthewrevell, poolie, j-a-meinel. The #bzr channel is a more appropriate forum for this.
[10:57] <popey> 19:34 < flacoste> popey: do you receive duplicate notifications for all of them or only some?
[10:57] <popey> some
[10:58] <flacoste> popey: ok, thanks
[10:58] <flacoste> i'll look into this
[11:09] <kiko> flacoste, for the first one:  Total runtime: 12230.706 ms
[11:09] <flacoste> kiko, interesting, that one has the sourcepackage prejoin removed
[11:09] <kiko> for the second one: 21090.739
[11:11] <flacoste> first one had person prejoin removed, second one had sourcepackage prejoin removed
[11:12] <flacoste> can you tell me how long it takes without any prejoin: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileyYF754.html
[11:12] <flacoste> kiko: ^^^
[11:13] <kiko>  Total runtime: 2636.834 ms
[11:14] <kiko>                                              Hash Cond: ("outer".message = "inner".id)
[11:14] <kiko>                                              ->  Seq Scan on ticketmessage  (cost=0.00..181.28 rows=10428 width=8) (actual time=0.003..15.678 rows=10405 loops=1)
[11:14] <kiko> flacoste, missing an index perhaps?
[11:14] <flacoste> probably, i'll ask stub to take a look into this
[11:15] <kiko> there's another seq scan on ticket
[11:16] <mpt> salgado, yes
[11:16] <mpt> salgado, also, the first "will expire" should be "is due to expire"
[11:24] <ddaa> Good night folks.
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79647 in launchpad "Automated messages should have "do not reply" boilerplate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79647
[11:30] <kiko> mpt, alternatively, ensure that the reply-to address hits somewhere where somebody will read it


[07:43] <infinity> zequence: Friendly reminder about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency/+bug/1396193
[11:06] <zequence> infinity: Thanks. Had a busy weekend. All waiting to build in the ppa.
[14:56] <NikTh> apw: Hello, if you have time check this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1386695 . Thanks
[15:24] <apw> NikTh, wassup?  the end of that implies you are testing a -25 kernel, but the one in proposed with the fixes applied claims to be a -26, did you get a test with -26 at all ?
[15:53] <NikTh> apw: No. I didn't test with -26. I didn't get the -26 update when I updated the system today. Weird. Proposed are enabled, that's for sure.
[16:10] <NikTh> apw: I just get the -26 update, tested it and unfortunately it does not work.
[16:11] <NikTh> s/get/got
[16:29] <apw> NikTh, well say that, and they will rip out the fixes for this update
[16:29] <apw> NikTh, not really sure what one is supposed to do if a bios update changes things
[16:35] <NikTh> apw: This is the latest version of BIOS available. I would update it either way, someday. The thing is your first kernel now works. But not the second. In comment #33 I have listed the kernels I tested.
[16:35] <apw> NikTh, right which is the opposite of what you reported before the update, which is confusing at best
[16:37] <NikTh> apw: correct. Although I didn't see any reference to ACPI or similar at release notes of BIOS. Here you can read the latest update (http://www.msi.com/support/mb/880GMAE45.html#down-bios_
[16:46] <apw> NikTh, well teh right thing to do is mark it verification-failed, and we'll have to start again
[16:50] <NikTh> apw: start again ? all over ? with this kernel bisecting thing ? Haha, I don't have the time. I have the time to test any kernel you (or anyone else) produce, but to follow this procedure all over again..hmm, a bit difficult.
[16:51] <apw> NikTh, well i think it is likely the patches we found before will do the trick, but we need this fix removed, as it does not work, then start again on top of the new release
[16:52] <NikTh> apw:  OK, but your first kernel Works ( I have the links in comment #33). Should I remove the #verification-needed-utopic and replace it with the #verification-failed tag ?
[16:53] <apw> NikTh, verification-failed-utopic probabally but yes
[16:53] <apw> bjf, ^ looks like we have a verification failure on utopic
[16:54] <NikTh> verification-failed is a ready tag as I can see. But should I remove the other one or leave it as it is ? (both)
[16:55] <bjf> apw, bug #?
[16:56] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/1386695
[16:56] <apw> seems a bios update has changed the bug to not need the fixes found by the preceeding testing
[16:56] <apw> but to need different ones
[16:58] <NikTh> I'll leave @penalver to handle the tags because it seems we edit them at the same time.. a bit confusing. :-)
[17:00] <NikTh> apw: right. But I still believe for such bugs the latest BIOS update should be tested. Not an "outdated" one.
[17:01] <apw> NikTh, oh indeed, just that it wasn't and has had an effect on update, makes all the work we did before, wrong and moot
[17:03] <NikTh> apw : Indeed
[17:03] <apw> and indeed will create a crap-load of work for stable to remove those broken fixes, and then we have to start again once we have a new base, sigh
[17:06] <NikTh> apw: I thought it was easier to merge the patches from the first kernel, the one that now works (with the new BIOS) rather to start all over again.
[17:06] <NikTh> This one works : http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp1386695-utopic/
[17:07] <apw> yes, it likely is, but those are on the wrong base so i have to wait for stable to revert and respin their tree, and for that to make it out, then i can start retesting those again on top of that base, as that is where it will need to be
[17:08] <NikTh> Ah, so you will probably release the fix when ? With the happy new year ? :P
[17:13] <NikTh> apw: I have to go. Sorry for the extra work, but this time we (you) will fix it once and for all. There is other BIOS update available :-)
[17:15] <bjf> apw, i'm looking at those two commits. do you feel like we should revert them. i'm leaning that way
[17:16] <apw> bjf, as they don't clearly fix the bug, i don't see how we can not revert them
[17:16] <apw> much as i hate to do it
[17:29] <bjf> apw, ack, i'm dealing with it. henrix, looks like i'm respinning utopic and lts-utopic
[17:30] <henrix> bjf: fun!  /me goes read backlog
[21:48] <binBASH> tinoco arges present?
[21:48] <arges> hi
[21:48] <binBASH> hi
[21:48] <binBASH> I'm trying to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1318551
[21:49] <binBASH> So I've read now at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe how to produce dump
[21:49] <arges> yea I've just started to look at the bug, tinoco has done the most research at this point
[21:50] <binBASH> cat /sys/kernel/kexec_crash_loaded
[21:50] <binBASH> 1
[21:50] <binBASH> the question now would be how to reproduce that bug :)
[21:50] <tinoco> binBASH: keeping machine idle
[21:50] <binBASH> as it occurs for me mostly at boot
[21:50] <tinoco> :(
[21:50] <tinoco> binBASH: if you are using intel_idle (and you are, by default probably)
[21:51] <tinoco> and HP proliant servers
[21:51] <tinoco> having CPU idle will trigger the problem
[21:52] <tinoco> binBASH: if you are trying to reproduce this
[21:52] <binBASH> does governor matter?
[21:52] <tinoco> binBASH: make sure to test kdump tool before
[21:52] <binBASH> Because I'm using powersave currently
[21:52] <tinoco> binBASH: keeping CPU idle will trigger C-states to go lower and lower
[21:52] <tinoco> P-states will go lower on C1E state..
[21:52] <tinoco> (frequency governor)
[21:53] <tinoco> C-states will shutdown parts of the core
[21:53] <tinoco> and that is where the problem is
[21:53] <binBASH> Ok, so I should probably test this without running X :)
[21:54] <binBASH> tinoco: thing is I saw at also at running servers in my datacenter. But mostly directly during bootup :)
[21:54] <tinoco> binBASH: we might be facing 2 separate things
[21:54] <tinoco> on the same case.. i´ll split them if thats the case
[21:55] <tinoco> now im focused on proliant 360/380 panics due to NMI being triggered
[21:55] <binBASH> Probably, but the question for me is, how to get crashdump when it crash at boot. Dunno if this is possible :)
[21:55] <tinoco> (original case description)
[21:55] <tinoco> binBASH: can´t u even boot ?
[21:55] <binBASH> yup
[21:56] <arges> binBASH: it depends on when at 'boot' it crashes. I think if you can use serial consoles and add 'debug' to the grub options it may give us more information
[21:57] <tinoco> binBASH: curious though.. this bug is intermittent and usually does not happen @ boot
[21:57] <tinoco> since all cpus are going to be powered on and on C0 or C1E state
[21:58] <tinoco> binBASH: you can use the workaround i provided . to be started as a init script
[21:58] <tinoco> (keeping all cpus under C1E max state)
[21:58] <tinoco> and then.. turn the workaround off
[21:58] <tinoco> and wait for the dump
[22:03] <binBASH> Ok, I will look into this the next days. If I can manage to get a trace/dump :)
[22:04] <binBASH> The funny thing is tinoco, if it occurs after boot, probably after some days. There is message output to screen every few seconds
[22:04] <binBASH> with some stacktrace :)
[22:06] <binBASH> The boot crashs are more like russian roulette. But with only one bullet taken out :)
[22:06] <tinoco> binBASH: thats what NMI are all about
[22:06] <tinoco> and CPU general faults
[22:06] <tinoco> if you have a double/triple fault
[22:06] <tinoco> you have a panic
[22:06] <tinoco> binBASH: do you have a stack trace example
[22:06] <tinoco> to show me ?
[22:06] <tinoco> binBASH: id like to make sure you are not suffering from x2apic bug also
[22:07] <tinoco> similar stack trace..
[22:07] <binBASH> Not yet, because I don't know how to get it :)
[22:07] <binBASH> I could take camera and make pic :D
[22:07] <tinoco> if you get the beginning of stack trace
[22:08] <tinoco> works for me :)
[22:08] <tinoco> if the stack trace is huge.. you are getting the first lines.. not the latest frames (the one i need)
[22:09] <binBASH> Could make movie as well :)
[22:10] <tinoco> binBASH: lol
[22:10] <binBASH> If you have better idea...
[22:11] <tinoco> binBASH: are u having this on a proliant ?
[22:11] <tinoco> OR on a gigabyte based motherboard ?
[22:11] <tinoco> cause i really think you case is different
[22:11] <tinoco> (we talked before, right ?)
[22:11] <binBASH> I have it on multiple boards
[22:11] <binBASH> not only Gigabyte
[22:11] <binBASH> Wait, I look what is the other
[22:12] <tinoco> binBASH: ALL your machines are workaround by the use of ¨noautogroup¨ ?
[22:13] <tinoco> binBASH: can i ask you to open a different bug (if not proliant servers)
[22:13] <tinoco> and tell me the bug #
[22:13] <tinoco> ?
[22:13] <binBASH> Intel S2600CP
[22:13] <tinoco> binBASH: i really think we are dealing with different cases on this bug
[22:13] <binBASH> is the other one
[22:14] <tinoco> binBASH: this way you can open a new bug and attach the core file on it
[22:14] <tinoco> for me to investigate in parallel
[22:14] <arges> binBASH: you can use from the Ubuntu machine 'ubuntu-bug linux' to gather relevant information
[22:15] <binBASH> tinoco: the problem is, I don't know how to get the core file :D
[22:16] <tinoco> binBASH: just a sec
[22:16] <tinoco> ill paste it to you
[22:16] <tinoco> just made an example
[22:17] <tinoco> binBASH: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9336310/
[22:17] <tinoco> an example for precise..
[22:17] <tinoco> but its pretty similar if not the same for trusty
[22:18] <tinoco> binBASH: could you open a new bug
[22:18] <tinoco> keep a good description on whats happening
[22:18] <tinoco> and attach the /var/crash/* after the dump was created ?
[22:18] <binBASH> sure
[22:18] <tinoco> then i´ll assign myself to it
[22:18] <tinoco> just so i can keep cases separate
[22:19] <binBASH> the problem will be probably, that it occurs before file systems are mounted :)
[22:19] <binBASH> but we'll see...
[22:19] <binBASH> because tinoco I have /var/crash/* stuff
[22:19] <binBASH> but not from that boot crashs
[22:20] <tinoco> binBASH: checking if noautogroup can be changed online somehow
[22:21] <tinoco> inaddy@workstation:~$ sudo sysctl -a | grep autogrou
[22:21] <tinoco> kernel.sched_autogroup_enabled = 1
[22:21] <tinoco> you can boot with ¨noautogroup¨
[22:21] <tinoco> and enable it online
[22:21] <tinoco> so cores are generated (for your cause)
[22:22] <tinoco> it might work
[22:22] <tinoco> this commit: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/2/20/10 enabled it to be a runtime flag
[22:22] <binBASH> ok, I've enabled it now
[22:22] <binBASH> though no crash yet :)
[22:22] <tinoco> while true; do ps -ef; sleep 1; done
[22:23] <tinoco> :o) to create some work
[22:24] <binBASH> let's hope it will trigger anything
[22:38] <tinoco> binBASH: i´m leaving now. please let me know when you open the new bug
[22:38] <tinoco> and when/if you could provide core dumps..
[22:38] <tinoco> in your case i think core dumps are going to be needed (not only pictures :()
[22:38] <tinoco> tks ;)
[22:38] <binBASH> :-)
[22:39] <binBASH> I really would like to, but I think no way when it crashs during boot and no fs initialized :)
[22:39] <tinoco> lets see if enabling this runtime works
[22:40] <tinoco> we might trigger some ¨logic¨ after sometime
[22:40] <tinoco> and for some reason it is being triggered @ the boot
[22:40] <binBASH> Yeah, I've atted it now to sysctl.conf so it will be enabled by default here
[22:40] <tinoco> lets see..
[22:40] <binBASH> added
[22:40] <tinoco> good
[22:40] <tinoco> i´ll be back tomorrow
[22:40] <tinoco> let me know when you´ve opened the other bug
[22:40] <tinoco> so i can assign myself to it
[22:40] <tinoco> ;)
[22:40] <binBASH> Yup, I will
[22:40] <tinoco> cya guys .. bb tomorrow
[22:40] <binBASH> tinoco: I mean, I'm fine with that noautogroup
[22:40] <binBASH> if it has no negative result.
[22:41] <tinoco> binBASH: yep.. i would like to investigate this
[22:41] <tinoco> if you can help us on reproducing/opening the bug
[22:41] <tinoco> it would be awesome
[22:41] <tinoco> since others can be facing this also
[22:41] <tinoco> and we don´t know the deep of this
[22:41] <tinoco> ;)
[22:42] <binBASH> and the question is, why it appeared suddenly at 3.8 kernel :D
[22:42] <binBASH> anyways, sleep well tinoco and thx for additional hints
[22:42] <tinoco> binBASH: yep.. this is even better in case i have to bisect something for you
[22:42] <tinoco> if you have a ¨good¨ vs ¨no good¨
[22:42] <tinoco> i can provide bisection for you to test
[22:42] <tinoco> and give me feedback
[22:43] <tinoco> (maybe 10 kernels to be tested ? :o)
[22:43] <binBASH> would be np
[22:43] <tinoco> great, lets do this then.. if you can´t get a core
[22:43] <tinoco> fill the bug and let me know
[22:43] <tinoco> i can start a bisection for you
[22:43] <tinoco> and you test the kernels i generate
[22:43] <binBASH> Ok, will do it tomorrow evening
[22:43] <tinoco> great ;)
[22:43] <tinoco> tks binBASH, talk to you tomorrow then
[22:43] <binBASH> sleep well, bye


[02:25] <roothorick> So... Bug 901025 ...any hope of getting Precise installed on my laptop or should I just go with something else in the meanwhile?
[02:25] <roothorick> related: should I try upgrading oneiric on my desktop?
[09:55] <WanderingEnder> What's 12.04 defaulting for a music player?
[09:56] <Ian_Corne> rhythmbox
[09:56] <WanderingEnder> wasn't that the old default?
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> banshee
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> and before that rhythmbox
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> :p
[09:58] <WanderingEnder> Yeah, I'm using Banshee now, and wondering if I should keep it.
[10:09] <Vegar> why are you ditching banshee?
[10:10] <WanderingEnder> I have about 40k songs, trying to navigate them.
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:02] <FernandoMiguel> hey BluesKaj
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi FernandoMiguel
[14:55] <FernandoMiguel> scrub: scrubbing /dev/sdb<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes (~465GB)
[14:55] <FernandoMiguel> so it knows what 500gbs is but not 1.5T LOL
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> that's because that's GB level
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> once you cross the 1TB
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> it goes by the TB
[14:58] <Ian_Corne> I guess?
[15:48] <dbristow> Anybody else seeing this MD5SUM/SHAxSUM problem with 12.04's precise-preinstalled-desktop-armel+ac100.bootimg file?
[15:48] <dbristow> (doesn't match)
[15:48] <dbristow> All three checksums agree
[15:50] <dbristow> They all say that this one file doesn't verify
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> boa noite


[00:01] <Ddorda> how do i make a branch available for changes to a group?
[00:01] <maxb> Ddorda: Change its owner to be the team you want to be able to write to it
[00:02] <Ddorda> maxb: how do i do that?
[00:03] <maxb> "Change branch details" on the branch's webpage
[00:04] <Ddorda> maxb: thanks
[00:09] <thumper> we should keep track of the questions people ask and try to make things more obvious
[00:09] <thumper> or at least point to the right help
[00:09] <thumper> hi maxb
[00:10] <maxb> I suppose the tricky thing here is that "Change branch details" is a good a name as any for a general edit page for a branch
[00:10] <maxb> The tricky thing is knowing that access control is managed through "Owner"
[00:14]  * thumper nods
[00:14] <thumper> we are looking to change that
[00:15] <thumper> soonish
[00:15] <thumper> maybe...
[00:16] <Kangarooo> hello ive forgot to finish bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+filebug/lr3ZeUYaRYLze01iCz0TsHZ8fPB?field.title=update-apt-xapian-index+crashed+with+SIGSEGV+in+PyEval_EvalFrameEx%28%29
[00:17] <Kangarooo> now that link is not anymore awailable.. and crash files ive deleted. is stere still solution?
[00:19] <maxb> I think the answer is most likely "no" :-(
[03:47] <arankairon> bug
[03:49] <arankairon> anyone know how to fix a bug?
[03:51] <micahg> arankairon: are you looking for support?
[03:51] <arankairon> or rather report a really big machine/OS incompatible / buggy mess of not-functioning
[03:51] <arankairon> i dunno at this point micahg
[03:51] <micahg> arankairon: is this with Ubuntu?
[03:51] <arankairon> i had to downgrade to jaunty jackalope
[03:52] <arankairon> yes
[03:52] <micahg> try #ubuntu
[03:52] <arankairon> i was there, no one answered!
[03:52] <micahg> arankairon: you have to be patient, there are a lot of conversations in there at once usually
[03:52] <arankairon> ahh...
[03:53] <arankairon> should i be more persistent?
[03:54] <spm> without knowing what you asked; it will help if you ask your question with as much specific detail about the problem and what you have tried to fix as possible. general "I have a problem" questions will be ignored by and large.
[03:54] <arankairon> ahh...
[03:54] <spm> ie " <arankairon> anyone know how to fix a bug?" will typically only get a response of 'yes'. which helps neither you nor anyone else. ;-)
[03:55] <arankairon> all i know, without having documented my first fevered foray into fixing my own computer (although i could follow where i was lastnight)
[03:56] <arankairon> is that grub 2 does not upgrade, like, at all from grub on my older laptop computer
[03:57] <spm> then phrase your question around trying to u/g grub to grub2 via <how> and it failed <error messages pasted> and this is a problem <because>.
[03:58] <arankairon> and i think that that upgrade is necessary to fix the problems people have been having with dysfunctional touchpads, no sound (on karmic koala) and total disabling of every possible interface on the computer (lucid)
[03:58] <arankairon> alright, thanks...
[03:58] <arankairon> take a gander at that problem though
[03:58] <arankairon> it sounds fun
[04:00] <spm> ha. thanks for the generous offer. :-) Good luck with getting it solved tho!
[04:02] <arankairon> that's pretty much all i wanted anyway, was to bring it to the attention of the general community
[04:02] <arankairon> i'm a total newb
[04:02] <arankairon> but smart
[04:03] <arankairon> hmm
[04:03] <arankairon> yeah, it was fun though, lastnight
[04:04] <arankairon> stayed up until 1:30am trying to get it to work
[04:05] <arankairon> maybe one day i'll speak l33t ; )
[04:05] <arankairon> :D
[04:06] <arankairon> adios
[05:33] <Meep> Hi - is there any way that you can track an RSS feed for PPA builds?
[05:34] <micahg> Meep: not yet, but you can subscribe to bug 207333 to find out when it becomes available
[05:53] <Meep> Martin Pool's comment in 207333 indicates there are APIs that can achieve the same thing.  I'll dig around dev.launchpad.net, but if there are any pointers to ways of interacting with the PPA, it would be appreciated.
[05:54] <poolie> Meep: have a look at https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/beta.html#archive etc
[05:54] <poolie> .getBuildRecords
[05:55] <poolie> lp:hydrazine has some example code you can peek at
[05:55] <poolie> not for this in particluar
[05:55] <Meep> Thanks.
[07:23] <Z-RAY_> guys i tried to manually reinstall kdenlive and MLT from source, because i had these white dots and lines and now kdenlive don't see many modules! help me, please to make this thing work
[07:24] <jussi> Z-RAY_: thats offtopic for here, try #kubuntu or #kde
[07:25] <Z-RAY_> ok
[08:54] <xapantu> hi all !
[08:55] <xapantu> I have a problem with a ppa, an other member of my team clicked on the "delete" button (he thinks that he deleted only a package :s) and I can't re-create the ppa because launchpad say me thatthe ppa still exists
[08:56] <xapantu> is there a way to completly remove it ?
[09:05] <noodles775> xapantu: AIUI, creating a new PPA with the same name as the one you've deleted is not yet possible. See bug 392887
[09:06] <xapantu> noodles775, ok, thanks :s
[09:06] <xapantu> so, I am going to create a ppa with another name.
[09:56] <lag> Is there any way to 'move a bug' onto another package?
[10:05] <lifeless> ywa
[10:05] <lifeless> click on the icon to the left of the package name
[10:05] <lifeless> you should get an expanded section
[10:05] <lifeless> type in the new package name
[10:05] <lifeless> done
[10:06] <lifeless> (well, after you click save)
[10:21] <lag> lifeless: Which icon?
[10:22] <lifeless> the one with a horizontal bar and a triange pointing down right under the bar
[10:22] <geser> (assuming one has enough rights to edit that bug)
[10:23] <lag> I want to move this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=SYNC_LOST_DIGIT&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has
[10:23] <lag> _patch=&field.has_no_package=
[10:23] <lag> Ouch
[10:23] <lag> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=SYNC_LOST_DIGIT&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_pack
[10:23] <lag> age=
[10:23] <lag> Grrrrr
[10:24] <geser> just tell the bug number
[10:24] <lag> I can do better than that, wait one
[10:25] <lag> http://tinyurl.com/SYNC-LOST-DIGIT
[10:26] <lag> I want to move it from 'linux-ti-omap' to 'linux-ti-omap4'
[10:26] <StevenK> lag: Done.
[10:27] <lifeless> lag: bug numbers are best.
[10:27] <lifeless> like this
[10:27] <lifeless> bug 20034
[10:27] <StevenK> lag: I hit the drop-down button next in the Affects column, and changed the package name
[10:28] <lag> So you did
[10:28] <lag> Nicely done
[10:28] <lag> Thanks chaps
[12:07] <[Dmitry]1> Hi all
[12:07] <[Dmitry]1> How i can cancel my build request on lp?
[12:12] <[Dmitry]1> Please tell me how to cancel, otherwise many users will be broken update ...
[12:20] <Daviey> Is there a known issue with subscribers not showing up on bug reports?
[12:20] <Daviey> I'm seeing a bug report, where the subscribers aren't being loaded (but the UI is aware i am subscribed as it's offering me the option to unsubscribe)
[12:22] <Quintasan> james_w: ping
[12:27] <deryck> Daviey, subscribers list might not load if it is very long and times out.
[12:46] <Daviey> deryck: I wouldn't think it's *huge* for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/566792
[12:47] <Daviey> deryck: loaded that time :/ odd
[12:48] <deryck> Daviey, looking at the bug now....
[12:49] <deryck> Daviey, the "also notified" i.e. implicit project subscribers list is sort of long.  I suspect postgres cache to the rescue on the reload.
[12:59] <Daviey> deryck: Not worth raising a bug about?
[13:02] <deryck> Daviey, I don't think so, no.  Not about the specific bug you have issues with.  the subscribers list timeouts have a bug.
[13:26] <getxsick> hi!
[13:28] <getxsick> our project needs more amount of RAM to build, is it possible to increase RAM amount for our builds?
[13:50] <james_w> Quintasan: hi
[14:20] <Quintasan> james_w: oh hi there
[14:21] <Quintasan> james_w: is there anything more on Launchpad recipes for daily builds than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds/ ?
[14:21] <james_w> Quintasan: you mean documentation?
[14:22] <Quintasan> james_w: yes, and guides or some tutorials
[14:22] <Quintasan> I want to revive Project Neon but the current Ruby magic is just well...errr, crappy
[14:22] <james_w> Quintasan: not unless anyone has written anything on help.launchpad.net
[14:23] <Quintasan> james_w: okay, thanks
[14:23] <Quintasan> well, now just to get my code imported
[14:24] <Quintasan> james_w: I have one question though, how often the code gets imported to launchpad for builds? each time I start a build?
[14:24] <james_w> no, every 6 hours or so
[14:24] <Quintasan> oh, okay
[14:24] <Quintasan> that's more than enough
[15:07] <bencer> is there any way to make a mirror of a ppa or downloading the full content ?
[15:09] <bigjools> use debmirror
[15:14] <bencer> bigjools: yes, that's what i saw, i can use debmirror with ppas too, thanks
[15:14] <bigjools> np
[16:02] <shadeslayer> hi! im creating a branch in bzr which mirrors kdelibs,but it seems SVN is not suppported
[16:02] <shadeslayer> how do i import it then?
[16:07] <Quintasan> james_w: ping
[16:09] <james_w> hi Quintasan
[16:09] <Quintasan> james_w: hello, I'm fighting with the recipe
[16:10] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: did you have a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports ?
[16:10] <Quintasan> james_w: I have imported Qt to bzr under https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/qt-kde, then in my recipe I have lp:~neon/project-neon/qt-kde and bzr dailybuild complains that only Bazaar branches are allowed
[16:10] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: ok
[16:12] <james_w> Quintasan: that import should have been under launchpad.net/qt really
[16:12] <james_w> Quintasan: can you show me the full error?
[16:13] <Quintasan> james_w: bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'qt'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."
[16:13] <Quintasan> just this
[16:13] <james_w> Quintasan: please run again with "-Derror" on the command line and pastebin the full traceback
[16:15] <Quintasan> james_w: http://pastebin.ca/1892544
[16:15] <james_w> Quintasan: ah, can you pastebin the recipe, I expect the syntax is incorrect
[16:15] <james_w> or rather the contents of two fields are reversed
[16:17] <Quintasan> http://wklej.org/id/358499/
[16:18] <james_w> Quintasan: that's not a valid branch: lp:~neon/project-neon/debian/qt
[16:18] <james_w> which branch are you trying to refer to?
[16:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:19] <Quintasan> okay, I wanted to grab a directory form the whole branch
[16:19] <Quintasan> is that possible?
[16:19] <james_w> no, not right now
[16:19] <Quintasan> okay, so I will recreate it
[16:37] <Quintasan> james_w: is this feature going to be implemented someday?
[16:59] <james_w> Quintasan: perhaps today, depending on exactly what your needs are
[17:00] <Quintasan> james_w: well, I wanted to have a branch named debian which would store debian dirs for packages for Project Neon
[17:22] <lamont> wgrant: I'm assuming you're asleep now?
[17:22] <lamont> wgrant: tradition for changelogs in lp-buildd is to use UNRELEASED instead of hardy-cat, until such time as the code is actually released.
[17:28]  * maxb looks at /builders
[17:28]  * maxb cries
[17:29] <maxb> *two weeks* build queue on PPAs !?
[17:35] <micahg> maxb: archive rebuild :)
[17:35] <maxb> archive rebuild AND ppa builders borrowed for mysterious canonical purposes :-(
[17:36] <micahg> maxb: probably alpha2 testing/release
[17:36] <bigjools> builders will be back in due course
[17:37] <bigjools> the queue is not that big either, it's got a bunch of stuff in it that won't ever get built
[17:37] <bigjools> it'll be back to normal tomorrow
[22:05] <bladernr_> hey, could someone take a look at this merge proposal and let me know what I did wrong? https://code.launchpad.net/~mago-applications/mago/mago-reorganize-applications/+merge/28686
[22:05] <bladernr_> When I created the merge proposal, no diff was made
[22:07] <james_w> bladernr_: that is odd. A bug is probably in order
[22:07] <bladernr_> ok... this is the first time I've done a merge request under a team account and not my own
[22:07] <james_w> bladernr_: oh, no, the branch has already been merged, so it doesn't have any unmerged revisions
[22:08] <bladernr_> yeah, that's the thing...
[22:08] <bladernr_> I created a branch, and someone merged it before I ever made the merge request...
[22:08] <bladernr_> I think Ara did it...
[22:08] <bladernr_> I didn
[22:08] <james_w> it's not possible to create a merge proposal for that situation really
[22:09] <bladernr_> I seem to have done it though :/
[22:11] <bladernr_> So I created the branch, then worked on the code, and pushed the changes... that's when I found out that someone had already merged the branch (It's status was merged)
[22:11] <james_w> oh sure, it's possible to create an "empty" one like that,
[22:11] <bladernr_> That's when I created the merge proposal
[22:11] <bladernr_> heh
[22:11] <bladernr_> sigh...
[22:11] <james_w> I meant that it's not possible to create one for what your intent was, now that the code has already been merged.
[22:11] <bladernr_> gotcha...
[22:12] <james_w> it looks like you did exactly the right thing, and it would have worked fine if the code hadn't been merged first
[22:12] <james_w> so if they are happy with the code being in lp:mago now, then I suggest just moving on and it should work fine next time
[22:13] <bladernr_> ok... I just wasn't sure if revno 127 and 128 actually got into mago... heh...
[22:13] <bladernr_> james_w:  thanks for helping me sort this out!
[22:14] <james_w> np


[11:43] <bb> hi
[11:43] <bb> how's life?
[11:57] <bb> hellloo
[11:57] <bb> got questions to ask
[11:57] <bb> any one there?


[05:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1003.3+signed1]
[07:15] <LocutusOfBorg> hello guys, slangasek I think we should merge debhelper again, can I do it?
[07:47] <elbrus> infinity: Laney: slangasek: juliank: not sure if I caught all the autopkgtest / pinning backlog
[07:48] <elbrus> but just to be clear, why I wanted to get rid of pinning with a= is because one can have either sid or unstable, or testing or buster in ones sources.list
[07:49] <elbrus> autopkgtest should do the right thing, not only for Ubuntu
[07:49] <elbrus> and I don't want the logic to convert names in autopkgtest, as that is rediculous
[07:49] <elbrus> slangasek: can you point me at the commit what you have now in Ubuntu after my "mess"
[07:50] <elbrus> and I didn't see a note in the debian bug 893754, was that intentional, or just missed?
[07:52] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: Leave debhelper to me.
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, https://launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/+archive/ubuntu/locutusofborg-ppa/+files/debhelper_11.1.6ubuntu1.dsc
[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> feel free to take from there
[07:54] <LocutusOfBorg> if you read #debian-devel, some cherry-picks or this version are useful for us
[07:56] <infinity> elbrus: I agree that it shouldn't "only work in Ubuntu", but I think we can also agree that "only works in Debian" isn't an ideal solution to that. ;)
[07:57] <elbrus> infinity: I never intended that
[07:57] <elbrus> I hope you didn't read that in my words anywhere
[07:57] <infinity> elbrus: I know, hence the winky face.
[07:57] <elbrus> sorry, missed that :(
[07:57] <infinity> elbrus: I'm quite positive you didn't intend to break our use-case.  Just, y'know, oops.
[07:57] <elbrus> right
[07:58] <elbrus> so let's figure out together how to properly fix autopkgtest (or at least agree how it should behave)
[08:00]  * infinity just typed "patch --dry-rub"...
[08:00] <infinity> Cause who doesn't love slow roasted patches?
[08:04] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: DH merge uploaded.  It's byte-identical to yours except without all the translation cruft.
[08:05] <infinity> elbrus: I'd love to be involved in getting to the bottom of doing this "right", but I also need sleep (and I'm on vacation, in theory), so I won't hold you hostage by my schedule.  I think juliank has a good handle on how I think the world should work.
[08:05] <infinity> elbrus: (Really, "how the world should work" from my POV is "how it worked before these changes landed", which should be easy enough to sort out in a TDD fasion)
[08:06] <elbrus> infinity: juliank actually helped with the current fix (and learned something new in the process :) )
[08:06] <infinity> elbrus: And it may well just be that Debian and Ubuntu need divergent paths here, due to how we publish archives.  stable, testing, and unstable are full suites.  bionic, bionic-updates, and bionic-proposed are not (well, bionic is, the others are partials).
[08:06] <elbrus> infinity: before these changes == unacceptable for autopkgtest from my standpoint
[08:06] <infinity> elbrus: Which leads to curious differences.
[08:07] <elbrus> infinity: I think I understand what you mean
[08:08]  * elbrus doesn't know what TDD is
[08:08] <infinity> elbrus: Test Driven Development.  ie: decide what we want the result to be, then make the code behave.
[08:08] <elbrus> ack
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks infinity I wanted to remove the translation delta, but I know you redo usually the merge from scratch so I didn't loose any time with it :)
[08:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm interested because now dh-strip-nondeterminism should be back in sync with debian
[08:14]  * infinity wanders off to bed.
[08:23] <elbrus> slangasek: skip my note on not updating the debian bug 893754, I just saw debian bug 894094
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> g night Adam!
[11:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: budgie-artwork (artful-proposed/universe) [0.8.3 => 0.8.3ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom)
[11:12] <fossfreedom> ^^^ can an archive admin please can someone cancel the above upload - forgot to  put my name in the changelog correctly.
[14:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.13.0-1013.16] (no packageset)
[14:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fonts-roboto (xenial-proposed/universe) [2:0~20160106-1 => 2:0~20160106-1ubuntu0.1] (personal-gunnarhj)
[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vagrant (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.8.1+dfsg-1ubuntu0.1 => 1.8.1+dfsg-1ubuntu0.2] (ubuntu-cloud)
[16:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.13.0-1013.16]
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (artful-proposed/main) [2.20.7-0ubuntu3.7 => 2.20.7-0ubuntu3.8] (core)
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apport (xenial-proposed/main) [2.20.1-0ubuntu2.15 => 2.20.1-0ubuntu2.16] (core)


[03:16] <ChaoPeng> Hi, there
[03:16] <ChaoPeng> I am a new comer
[07:42] <mlankhorst> hey
[08:24] <tjaalton> hi
[23:06] <RAOF> Prf_Jakob: The system-compositor is installable from ppa:ubuntu-desktop/system-compositor; that PPA is a little old, but I'll get back to refreshing it (and handling some of the problems) after xserver 1.13 has been shepherded in.
[23:07] <Prf_Jakob> ok
[23:07] <Prf_Jakob> thanks


[07:38] <sil2100> mvo: hey! How's the snapd release for the apparmor bits going?
[07:48] <mvo> sil2100: there were complicatoins :/ or there are
[08:48] <cpaelzer> waveform: pi-bluetooth LGTM no
[08:48] <cpaelzer> now
[08:48] <cpaelzer> waveform: I was unsure if you wanted to address more of the non-mandatory things I asked for or if you want to get it promoted asap (not much groovy time left)
[08:49] <cpaelzer> I updated the bug accordingly - it should be clear, but let me know if you need me to move the state further
[09:13] <cpaelzer> rharper: I have looped you in on a mail I got about this topic
[09:14] <waveform> cpaelzer, thanks - will update in the bug
[09:14] <cpaelzer> rharper: this was a tab completion fail, but hello o/
[14:56] <teward> !dmb-ping | meeting in ~4 minutes.  may start a few min late, brewing coffee for my day and afk for a few min
[15:02] <teward> !dmb-ping | meeting time
[17:26] <ahasenack> smoser: hi!
[17:26] <ahasenack> smoser: have you ever tried to push https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/ubuntu/swtpm/ into ubuntu?
[17:30] <ahasenack> swtpm, that is, as libtpms is already in both ubuntu and debian
[17:30] <ahasenack> and tpms is not even in debian, hm
[17:31]  * ahasenack finds https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=941199
[17:43] <smoser> ahasenack: hi.
[17:43] <smoser> i've not pushed at all on that.
[17:43] <ahasenack> I see you still keep the ppa up to date, though
[17:43] <smoser> i did it maybe 2 years ago, and then came back to it a week ago
[17:43] <smoser> ;)
[17:43] <ItzSwirlz> I'll go review the packaging for it if its an ITP
[17:44] <ahasenack> hah
[17:44] <smoser>     libtpms (debian, ubuntu) arrived only in groovy (20.10) in ubuntu (no focal).
[17:44] <smoser>     swtpm is not available as of 2020-10-12. (ITP #941199, debian, ubuntu)
[17:44] <ahasenack> ItzSwirlz: there is a review in another bug, with comments, and no update from the uploader yet about those comments
[17:44] <smoser> that is following the link to the gist https://gist.github.com/smoser/ef279e77b068cc081d2f63c10f809db0
[17:44] <ahasenack> ItzSwirlz: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=958509
[17:45] <ItzSwirlz> yeah I just saw that RFS
[17:45] <ahasenack> review was a month ago
[17:46] <ahasenack> libtpms I just imported into git ubuntu
[17:46] <ahasenack> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtpms


[09:19] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:13] <icey> ahoy


[23:15] <spike> is there a recommended blueprint for starting tomcat 6 as a non-root user with upstart on RHEL?
[23:15] <spike> limited to the repo supplied 0.6.5 release sadly


[14:43] <h00k> hello, hello
[14:45] <spikeb> hi
[14:49] <h00k> Monday. ugh.
[14:50] <spikeb> i agree.
[14:52] <h00k> Did you see the new zodiac signs?
[14:52] <spikeb> i heard a rumour about them
[14:52] <spikeb> that is about it
[14:52] <h00k> Yeah, it's crazy. There's even a new one, and Scorpio is only 6 days
[14:53] <spikeb> haha
[14:53] <spikeb> nice
[20:51] <nickmoeck> h00k: yeah.... about the Zodiac signs... there's 2 Zodiacs.  The tropical one, which we use here in the US (and the rest of the western world), is based on the equinox, not the constellations
[20:51] <h00k> nickmoeck: Yeah...
[20:51] <nickmoeck> h00k: the one that "changed" is the sidereal Zodiac, which no one actually uses
[20:51] <h00k> And then there's the Chinese, also
[20:52] <nickmoeck> stupid media not doing their research
[20:52] <h00k> :) Horray!
[20:52] <h00k> Did you ever realize how rockin' the Power Rangers theme song really is?
[20:53] <nickmoeck> I knew it was rocking 15 years ago :)
[20:54] <h00k> I mean, yeah, it was pretty cool...but the wailing on the guitars now that I can appreciate it...man.
[20:56] <lostson> i hope your being facetious
[20:56] <nickmoeck> I think they remixed the theme song for the re-airing of the classic power rangers
[20:58] <h00k> No...serious...it's some pretty hardcore stuff
[20:59] <h00k> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0KOfTV1dbc
[20:59] <h00k> ignore the lyrics
[21:01] <h00k> Even the first 30 seconds
[21:02] <h00k> The the break around 2:20
[21:06] <lostson> ok put the crack pipe down h00k
[21:16] <h00k> oh, sure, then he leaves.
[21:16] <h00k> I see how it goes.


[00:27] <OvenWerks> zequence: How can I stress test lowlatency? Right now I can run jack at minimum latency (16/2) and process audio using gutarix or rakarrack with no xruns. I seem to be able to run 4 or 5 softsynths at a time as well already. Not much of a keyboard player so a sequence to run may be best.
[00:30] <zequence> OvenWerks: Use the rt-tests package
[00:31] <zequence> DalekSec: Nope. Haven't had time to get into that yet
[00:32] <DalekSec> Ah, alrighty-o.
[07:35] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was going to give you a link yesterday to an example test,  but had some problems and then had to go to sleep
[07:35] <zequence> ..hang on
[07:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: You can skip the part of building the test, and just do the command at the bottom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/CyclicTest
[07:38] <zequence> You get a value at the end, which on a realtime kernel is commonly below 400, down to 200 or so.
[07:39] <zequence> Compare generic and lowlatency. Lowlatency will give you a value of several thousands, typically. I have gotten up to 1200 with lowlatency
[07:39] <zequence> Sorry, generic will give you a value of several thousands
[07:40] <zequence> What you can notice from the test is that -lowlatency can perform really well 90% of the time, but now and again it will spike and not be able to finish a process in the same short amount of time
[07:41] <zequence> -rt, however, should perform a lot tighter, and not have these random spikes
[07:42] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ah, re: issuing the command at the bottom. First, of course, you need to install the package rt-tests, where you will find cyclictest
[07:43] <zequence> hmm, I think rt-tests builds a module for the kernel now.
[07:46] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ah, right. You want to do stuff during the test, preferably using both graphics and other stuff. You can unpack a big file, while watching flash video - like one or several youtube videos
[08:01] <zequence> Haven't looked at rt-tests for a long time, but, I think it comes with some stressing tools as well
[08:03] <zequence> Perhaps the tool hackbench, which is a part of the suite rt-tests
[09:57] <zequence> OvenWerks: The value I'm talking about is "highest". I don't recall what they represent, but it's the time it takes for a process complete, just to clarify. There's a average value as well
[10:48] <Rosco2> Newbie question: I am member of Ubuntu Studio Bugs. Description in Launchpad says team is subscribed to many bugs. I don't actually get too many emails.
[10:49] <Rosco2> I know it is possible to subscribe UbuntuStudioBugs or USDevel teams to a bug if you think they should be aware and follow an issue.
[10:51] <Rosco2> Originally assumed that USBugs would be subscribed to/owner of packages/meta packages and automatically get all bug traffic?
[10:51] <Rosco2> Are my assumptions correct?
[10:53] <zequence> Rosco2: Unfortunately that team is not subscribed to all bugs that it needs to be aware of
[10:54] <zequence> Rosco2: I've started that work some time ago. I believe the group should automatically get all bug reports for those projects - have you found that it doesn't?
[10:54] <zequence> Or, packages, rather
[10:54] <zequence> But, projects too, I suppose, if you subscribe to them
[10:55] <Rosco2> I have received some emails. But based on the popularity of some packages - I thought they would be more high traffic.
[10:55] <zequence> Rosco2: If you want to help out, you are welcome to make that team more functional
[10:56] <zequence> maybe it's just rare that people report bugs? You could compare by looking at the bugs for a specific package, and see if you got all mail about it
[10:56] <Rosco2> Yeah - sure. Triaging hardware related stuff is tricky for me.
[10:57] <Rosco2> But I have learn't a few of the tricks that the Bug Squad use.
[10:58] <Rosco2> To get people involved & triaging in a consistent way I mean
[11:06] <Rosco2> Will check my mails against what packages have had bugs submitted recently
[13:53] <Rosco2> zequence: My inbox contained lots of bug reports from ubuntustudio-met, -live, linux-rt, ubuntustudio, -live-setting etc.
[13:55] <Rosco2> zequence: There was a blender bug, and when I clicked around on other blender bugs, every time USBugs were on the "May receive notifications" section.
[13:56] <Rosco2> OTOH, when I went to bug page for audacity, there were not many bugs where USBugs were subscribed.
[13:58] <Rosco2> Maybe it is a packages/meta packages allocation/categorisation thing?
[14:13] <Rosco2> OK, now I understand. US-Devel team are subscribed to these packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+packagebugs
[14:14] <Rosco2> US-Bugs team are subscribed to a smaller set of individual packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-bugs/+packagebugs
[14:15] <Rosco2> We could increase the list for US-Bugs to other important packages, but maybe there would be too much noise?
[14:17] <Rosco2> At least that fits with what emails I received. So it is not a launchpad/email problem.
[16:08] <zequence> Rosco2: The whole point of ubuntustudio-bugs team is to receive all relevant bugs, so it's fine if they receive everything
[16:08] <zequence> Rosco2: ubuntustudio-dev really only needs to receive bugs from projects that team is a part of
[16:09] <zequence> By *everything* I mean anything that is multimedia related, and on the Ubuntu Studio ISO
[16:37] <OvenWerks> zequence: how much stress to test with? If I run cpu hogs my max goes way up, but they are running the cpus at 100% too. which is not at all normal for audio work.
[16:38] <OvenWerks> With all 4 cpus at 100% my max is in the 4500 range.
[16:39] <OvenWerks> with only 1 cpu hog pulling one cpu to 100% the max goes up to 7500 which seems odd.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> Running a video and a sound generator gives max of 15 to 25.
[16:45] <zequence> OvenWerks: What is most interesting is to see the random xrun, IMO
[16:45] <OvenWerks> I will have to install the two other kernels to test more.
[16:45] <zequence> OvenWerks: You can have no xruns for 2h, until you move the mouse, and something graphical happens
[16:45] <OvenWerks> No xruns at all so far
[16:46] <OvenWerks> Jack has been running for 2 or 3 days now
[16:46] <zequence> OvenWerks: One classic way to cause all cores to work is compiling something big - making sure in the compilation command that all cores are used
[16:47] <zequence> Like, linux
[16:47] <OvenWerks> My default setup is now that jack starts with session and paulse goes through that.
[16:47] <OvenWerks> I was running "stress"
[16:48] <zequence> OvenWerks: I understand you took special care in making sure all your HW components are tuned right?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> Yes.
[16:48] <zequence> OvenWerks: Would be interesting to see if you configured all of that "wrong"
[16:48] <OvenWerks> Some things I can't do like add hyperthreading
[16:48] <zequence> OvenWerks: If that has a great impact, we should absolutely document it and make it available to our users
[16:50] <OvenWerks> I am also running performance not ondemand which on this machine gives xruns up till about 10ms
[16:50] <OvenWerks> Interestingly, ondemand creates more heat than performance at high cpu usage
[16:51] <OvenWerks> It seems that running different cores at different speeds creates more heat.
[16:58] <OvenWerks> anyway it is family time for the day. This is a long weekend for us.
[18:25] <zequence> OvenWerks: See you later Oven
[18:25] <zequence> Len, I mean :P
[18:25] <zequence> I made Ross admin of ubuntustudio-bugs team, as he's to help us with making it subscribe to relevant bugs
[20:29] <Rosco2> Slowly subscribing to packages in ubuntustudio-meta!
[20:30] <Rosco2> Check progress here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-bugs/+packagebugs
[20:30] <Rosco2> It gives good stats on the bugs - there are a few to work on :-)
[21:49] <zequence> Rosco2: I wonder if it would be a good idea to recommend debian-multimedia devs to become members of that group. Our versions of packages aren't always the same as in Debian, since we sync from their development release
[21:50] <zequence> In either case, when a bug has been identified as valid, one needs to check if the bug is also affecting whatever Debian version of the package, and report it also in Debian
[21:52] <zequence> Once there is a fix, we either sync from Debian, or do a patch. For our development release, we should always sync, unless it's really late in the cycle. For stable release it might be better to patch.
[21:52] <zequence> And the patch should only fix the bug, not update to a newer release, or we sync. But, I suppose you know this already.
[21:53] <zequence> I'm probably not making perfect sense this late on a saturday evening :)
[21:55] <zequence> Yep, there are a few bugs there
[22:06] <Rosco2> I suppose I could let them know on debian-multimedia mailing list and ask if anyone wants to join
[22:08] <Rosco2> You are right, that perhaps we should pinch some stuff from Ubuntu Bug Squad, and tailor it to our needs and specific deb-multi upstream
[22:10] <Rosco2> And what you say about when to patch, when to sync etc. could also be added to the wiki


[18:26] <ESource5> ikonia, ALRIGHT
[18:26] <ESource5> !OPS
[18:27] <ESource5> !OPS
[18:27] <sladen> mmm?
[18:28] <ESource5> ikonia, ALRIGHT
[18:28] <ESource5> The book of Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians since it begins by referring to "the fathers and the prophets" (v. 1) and then it jumps into quoting Psalm 2. In fact, there are more than thirty Old Testament quotes in the epistle with many more allusions (Hebrews 3:16; 5:10; 8:5; 9:11-22; 12:16-18, etc.,) which included references to the Old Testament sacrificial system (Hebrews 8:3; 9:9; 10:4). Also, it appears that thos
[18:28] <ESource5> e to whom this epistle is addressed have been Christians for some time (Hebrews 5:12) and had suffered persecution (Hebrews 10:32-34). Therefore, we can confidently say that the book of Hebrews was written to the Hebrew-Christian community as a whole, which would consist of a mix of true believers and those still leaning on the Old Testament sacrificial system. In Hebrews, the author is demonstrating the superiority of Christi
[18:28] <ESource5> anity over Judaism. This is important because it sheds light on Hebrews 10:26. Let's take a look at its immediate context.
[18:29] <ESource5> In our immediate context of Hebrews 10:26 we see that many in the Hebrew-Christian community were still looking to the Old Testament sacrificial system (Hebrews 10:1-4) with its burnt offerings (Hebrews 10:6, 8), Temple work (Hebrews 10:19, 20), priesthood (Hebrews 10:21), and the Law of Moses (Hebrews 10:28). Obviously, many in the Hebrew-Christian community were still looking back to the Old Testament system and not dependin
[18:29] <ESource5> g on the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice. As stated in the opening paragraph, the writer is not addressing individuals but a larger group of people with a mix of believers and non-believers. Some who had received the knowledge of the truth of the complete sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ had not yet fully trusted in it and were dabbling with returning to the Old Testament sacrificial system.
[18:29] <ESource5> We cannot assert that Hebrews 10:26 is written only to those who are saved. After all, how could they be saved if they are looking back to the old sacrificial system? But, without knowing exactly who is and is not trusting in Christ, the writer of Hebrews would generically address everyone and give the proper warning that if you go on sinning willfully (i.e., abandon the truth found in Christ and his sacrifice), then there wil
[18:29] <ESource5> l be no sacrifice for sins because Jesus' sacrifice is the only one that can take away sin (Hebrews 10:4, 12-18). That is why in verse 18 it says, "Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer an the offering for sin." He is telling us that when someone is forgiven, there's no longer a need for another offering as in the Old Testament type offerings. To reject Christ's sacrifice is to go on sinning willfu
[18:29] <ESource5> lly by remaining in the Old Testament sacrificial system. For those who do that, there is no longer sacrifice remaining for sin because for them Christ is not a sacrifice.
[18:29] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:29] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.
[18:29] <ESource5>
[18:29] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:29] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.
[18:29] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:29] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.
[18:29] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:30] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.
[18:30] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:30] <kloeri> ESource5: stop
[18:30] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.
[18:30] <ESource5> Therefore, when the writer said in Hebrews 10:26, "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins," he is talking about those who had received the knowledge of the truth but were rejecting it--not that they were saved and and lost their salvation. To receive the knowledge of the truth does not mean they are saved. It means they received the knowledge o
[18:30] <ESource5> f the truth of who Jesus was and what he did as well as the truth that "it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4), and that God does not take pleasure in "whole burnt offerings and sacrifices for sins" (Hebrews 10:6).  The writer wants them to trust in the only sacrifice for sins, which is Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, and not return to the old sacrificial system.