[00:00] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I have already shut down the screensaver
[00:00] <robinking623> charlie-tca: not after suspend
[00:00] <charlie-tca> I am running out of ideas here.
[00:00] <robinking623> charlie-tca: that is a laptop. celeron 2g 512mb, with intel 815
[00:00] <charlie-tca> Is it usb mouse?
[00:01] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I am using "noapic" after the kernel
[00:01] <robinking623> charlie-tca: usb mouse and usb keyboard
[00:01] <charlie-tca> That shouldn't freeze it, I don't think
[00:02] <charlie-tca> If the memory test doesn't show anything wrong, file a bug using 'linux' as the package. you can file it with 'ubuntu-bug linux' in a terminal
[00:03] <charlie-tca> Add to the report that it freezes keyboard and mouse at random times, with the exception of the mouse movement.
[00:03] <robinking623> charlie-tca: and I am using a pcmcia card to extend the usb2.0 port. but at the beginning I thought that caused the crashdown. so I plug it out, just with the usb-hub. but after that xfce still crashed
[00:03] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu is it?
[00:04] <robinking623> charlie-tca: xubuntu 910. with 2.6.31-20-generic
[00:04] <robinking623> charlie-tca: but I am not the only one who has that problem
[00:05] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I will show you the url
[00:05] <charlie-tca> You aren't having the problem?
[00:07] <charlie-tca> Okay, what url?
[00:07] <robinking623> charlie-tca: yes I have the same
[00:07] <charlie-tca> read it wrong.
[00:07] <robinking623> charlie-tca: but I am not the only one
[00:08] <charlie-tca> Did you have the problem before the -20 kernel?
[00:09] <robinking623> charlie-tca: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386883
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Did you install LXDE, too?
[00:10] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I can not say. because I was running windows on this laptop. I just used it to watch dvb-t
[00:10] <robinking623> charlie-tca: no. just xubuntu without modify
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Well, that says you fixed your issue?
[00:11] <robinking623> charlie-tca: just press "f5"
[00:12] <robinking623> charlie-tca: Re: Xubuntu randomly crashes, mouse still responds--sorry, i was  wrong. it still crashed down. help!!!!
[00:12] <robinking623> charlie-tca: so I thought maybe a bug with xorg or something
[00:12] <charlie-tca> You have two different things there. The first person is crashing firefox after installing Lxde.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> You said you crash random times, and the applications don't matter.
[00:13] <charlie-tca> I would file a bug against the kernel.
[00:13] <robinking623> charlie-tca: Installation went smooth. Restart. Log on, start Firefox, close it, wait a few seconds, crash
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Is it only after running firefox?
[00:14] <robinking623> charlie-tca: right
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Then remove your extensions and restart the computer. Then see if it crashes. If it does, you need to try a new profile for firefox
[00:15] <robinking623> charlie-tca: and I feel really weird that the xorg crashed down, but the mouse can still move and harddisk run sometimes.
[00:15] <charlie-tca> firefox does that
[00:16] <robinking623> charlie-tca: but last time, I just want to click the icon of firefox, it crashed down
[00:16] <charlie-tca> Remove any extensions and plugins for firefox (you can try disabling them), but you have to restart the computer, not just log off
[00:16] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I "wanted" to but I did not have the chance
[00:17] <charlie-tca> It could still be firefox doing something stupid, right?
[00:17] <robinking623> charlie-tca: you re right, but one time I just type something in the cli. it crashed down
[00:18] <charlie-tca> try it. Then ask here again if it still crashes.
[00:19] <robinking623> charlie-tca: ok
[00:19] <robinking623> charlie-tca: I will just remove the firefox and use opera or chrome
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Try epiphany, maybe?
[00:20] <charlie-tca> My eyes are blurring and I have to go rest them, now. Good luck.
[00:21] <robinking623> ok, see you good night
[00:21] <Kangarooo> robinking623: use chrome. its fast all the time.
[00:21] <robinking623> Kangarooo: already
[00:21] <Kangarooo> opera gets later bloated. maybe couse of saving all cache
[00:25]  * robinking623 running memtest
[00:25] <Kangarooo> robinking623: does slider in firefox worked?
[00:25] <robinking623> Kangarooo: slider?
[00:26] <Kangarooo> can u get it active when in far right side? yes slider if page is bigger then screen
[00:27] <robinking623> Kangarooo: or you mean coolpreviews?
[00:27] <Kangarooo> slider. scroller.
[00:28] <Kangarooo> maybe im saying it wrong in english
[00:28] <robinking623> Kangarooo: is that a plugins? or Add-on?
[00:29] <Kangarooo> you see this chat has text more then screen can show so theres slider to the right. with moving it u can see previous chat posts.
[00:29] <Kangarooo> isnt that called slider?
[00:30] <robinking623> Kangarooo: ok. you mean the slider of firefox?
[00:30] <robinking623> Kangarooo: and you asked if the slider of my firefox works?
[00:30] <robinking623> Kangarooo: it works
[00:30] <Kangarooo> well the same kind thingy in firefox if u have bigger page then u see the slider. so question: can u get it active with mouse clicking it to far right side?
[00:30] <robinking623> Kangarooo: without problem
[00:31] <Kangarooo> .. got some pidgin error.
[00:32] <Kangarooo> ok so u have xubuntu ? default theme?
[00:32] <robinking623> Kangarooo: right
[00:32] <robinking623> Kangarooo: I have ubuntu and xubuntu
[00:33] <robinking623> Kangarooo: and I have really big problem with my xubuntu laptop
[00:33] <robinking623> Kangarooo: 2 laptops
[00:33] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034 this bug u dont have?
[00:35] <robinking623> Kangarooo: sorry I am using firefox 3.6
[00:35] <robinking623> Kangarooo: and I don't have that problem
[00:35] <Kangarooo> how u got 3.6 in xubuntu? 10.04xubuntu ?
[00:36] <robinking623> Kangarooo: ubuntu-tweak
[00:36] <Kangarooo> i have 9.10 latest updates and 3.5.8
[00:36] <robinking623> Kangarooo: you just need the ppa with firefox 3.6 and
[00:36] <robinking623> Kangarooo: I know
[00:36] <Kangarooo> wow. ok then ill try that and report that bug is removed
[00:36] <robinking623> Kangarooo: ok
[00:37] <Kangarooo> or u can also write if realy that bug is not working for u
[00:38] <Kangarooo> hp problems?
[00:40] <robinking623> Kangarooo: I am busy debuging my old laptop
[00:40] <robinking623> Kangarooo: it crashed down randomly
[00:40] <Kangarooo> ok. but ubuntu tweak u hav on xubuntu?
[00:41] <robinking623> Kangarooo: yes
[00:41] <Kangarooo> ok im going to sleep also
[00:42] <robinking623> Kangarooo: xubuntu = xfce + ubuntu - gnome
[00:42] <robinking623> Kangarooo: me too. good night
[00:44] <Kangarooo> ah robinking623 its not in synaptic so u took it from website?
[00:45] <robinking623> Kangarooo: right
[01:56] <raevol> hey guys
[01:56] <raevol> i set my laptop to a display resoltuoin that isn't supported while i was trying to get an external display to work
[01:56] <raevol> now nothing displays on the screen after i log in
[01:56] <raevol> i can't find the config file where the resolution is stored
[01:56] <raevol> how do i fix this
[01:57] <raevol> ok it seems to have fixed itself
[01:57] <raevol> so is there any way to get support for external displays using the display manager in xfce?
[02:36] <m0ar> I can't use alt+1 for the serverwindow in irssi when using xfce4-terminal :s
[02:36] <m0ar> Very wierd, but /window 1 works
[02:36] <m0ar> Same to alt+2,3,4 and so on
[09:11] <robinking623> hello everyone, I still have the problem with xfce
[09:13] <robinking623> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8927548#post8927548
[09:30] <Sysi> you could try to add acpi=off to kernel parameters
[09:30] <Sysi> !grub2
[09:31] <Sysi> gksudo nano /etc/default/grub ; for a start
[09:37] <robinking623> Sysi: already, doesnot work
[09:37] <Sysi> hum
[09:40] <robinking623> Sysi: but I am sure the kernel is still working
[09:40] <robinking623> Sysi: but the xorg is crashed down
[09:41] <robinking623> Sysi: and it takes my usb keyboard away.
[09:43] <robinking623> just brb
[09:43] <Sysi> i had same proble with propably same intel graphics card, it worked with acpi=off
[09:47] <robinking623> Sysi: any other ideas?
[09:48] <Sysi> i had same proble with propably same intel graphics card, it worked with acpi=off
[09:49] <pdg1> hello hello?
[09:49] <Sysi> and with centos ir works straight after installation, old distro with old computer clearly..
[09:49] <Sysi> hell pdg1
[09:49] <robinking623> Sysi: no, you did not get my meaning. xfce works already, but it crashed sometimes down. then I have no chance to repair it
[09:49] <Sysi> *hello :D
[09:50] <Sysi> robinking623: maybe itäs my english, but i don't get whatäs your problem
[09:50] <robinking623> Sysi: I have only a usb keyboard
[09:50] <pdg1> is it just me, or does Karmic run a little slower on oldeer hardware than Hardy
[09:51] <robinking623> Sysi: but under windows xp, it works without problem
[09:53] <Sysi> do you mean that your usb keyboard don't work?
[09:54] <robinking623> Sysi: after the xorg crashed down
[09:54] <robinking623> Sysi: no I mean the laptop
[09:55] <robinking623> Sysi: xfce works without problem with all my hardware. just still the xorg crashed
[09:55] <robinking623> Sysi: and it crashes down without telling me before..........
[09:56] <robinking623> Sysi: while the kernel it is still working
[09:56] <Sysi> robinking623: ...
[09:56] <Sysi> so you can gt to virtual terminal after xorg has crashed?
[09:57] <Sysi> why typing is so hard now..
[09:57] <robinking623> Sysi: you mean the tty, no I have no keyboard
[09:57] <robinking623> Sysi: so that is the point
[09:58] <Sysi> when that happened to me, i couldn't restart xorg even trough ssh
[09:58] <Sysi> so it was just about crashing
[09:59] <Sysi> that acpi=off fixed it but xorg took a lot of cpu power after that
[09:59] <robinking623> Sysi: I think I should change the version of xorg or intel driver
[09:59] <robinking623> Sysi: but acpi works but I need "noapic"
[09:59] <Sysi> you can add that too
[10:00] <robinking623> Sysi: I tried, it crashes also
[10:00] <Sysi> sounds difficult case
[10:00] <robinking623> Sysi: so I don't think that it the problem with acpi
[10:00] <robinking623> Sysi: really
[10:00] <Sysi> robinking623: but always worth a try
[10:01] <Sysi> have you tried older ubuntu release?
[10:01] <robinking623> Sysi: already but I 'd like to change the new version
[10:02] <robinking623> Sysi: because it works always without problem after boot for more than I hour
[10:02] <robinking623> Sysi: I will try to change the xorg
[10:02] <Sysi> robinking623: why do you want new version if it's crashing? :P
[10:03] <robinking623> Sysi: because it is just the point of xorg, not other things
[10:03] <robinking623> Sysi: now I am using the new kernel of ubuntu. it works after xorg crashed
[10:04] <Sysi> robinking623: i don't give this as proper advice but i use to say "don't fix it if it's working"
[10:04] <robinking623> Sysi: I just start to cp 50G files from one partition to another, it does still now
[10:05] <robinking623> Sysi: or I will try to use another distro
[10:05] <robinking623> Sysi: arch maybe
[10:05] <Sysi> btw, you don't need to hilight me everytime
[10:06] <Sysi> robinking623: that's not real linux solution, but that's what i did :D
[10:07] <Sysi> my old laptop now works like a charm with centos, i'd just like to test some bsd on it
[10:07] <robinking623> Sysi: but thank you anyway, I will continue googling
[10:08] <robinking623> Sysi: bsd works, I just have a friend who is using freebsd with his 2 laptop
[10:08] <robinking623> s
[10:08] <robinking623> Sysi: they are working properly
[10:09] <Sysi> i'm trying to consider, pcbsd or freebsd
[10:09] <Sysi> my friend has openbsd and he says it's a bit funny
[10:10] <robinking623> Sysi: why?
[10:10] <Sysi> se said it's designed to shell-server or something
[10:12] <robinking623> Sysi: that is right but you can running xorg on it and with desktop enviroment
[10:13] <Sysi> i know
[10:13] <Sysi> i use centos, everyone say that it's ment for servers
[10:13] <robinking623> Sysi: right, centos is just like rhel
[10:14] <Sysi> same source compiled with same settings
[11:36] <p0a> Hello when I boot my comp my monitor goes into 'power saving mode'
[11:36] <p0a> I bought a new monitor but I get the same problem
[11:36] <p0a> What would the problem be?
[11:37] <TheSheep> one possibility would be that the resolution is out of the monitor's range
[11:38] <p0a> It didnq't happen before
[11:38] <p0a> and I didn't mess with anything software-wise
[11:38] <TheSheep> does switching to text mode with alt+ctrl+1 help?
[11:38] <TheSheep> when did it start?
[11:39] <p0a> some days ago
[11:39] <p0a> it happened, then the next day it was fine and i assumed it was something temp
[11:39] <p0a> but now it wont work again
[11:40] <p0a> I dont think text mode has to do anything with it, it doesn't even show GRUB menu or BIOS stuff...
[11:40] <p0a> it goes into power saving mode as soon as I boot the comp
[11:41] <hatake_kakashi> I reckon its acpi issue, rare on desktops though
[11:42] <p0a> what's the remedy?
[11:42] <hatake_kakashi> might need to manually append that at boot
[11:44] <p0a> what do you mean? how would I do anything without a monitor
[11:44] <hatake_kakashi> you don't even get grub menu? something like press Esc to view menu?
[11:45] <p0a> nothing
[11:45] <p0a> as soon the comp fires up the monitor does it
[11:45] <hatake_kakashi> so you see BIOS and all but you can't see the hidden grub menu?
[11:45] <p0a> I dont think its xubuntu related, apologies for asking here but I dont know a more apt channel
[11:45] <p0a> not even bios
[11:46] <hatake_kakashi> its a hardware related issue, and you tried asking in ##hardware ?
[11:47] <p0a> ok i will
[12:47] <dzordz> how can i in xubuntu open keyring manager to disable asking for paswword?
[12:47] <dzordz> for wifi
[12:50] <jjdavis699> hi
[12:50] <jjdavis699> i need help
[12:52] <jjdavis699> how do you enable effects
[12:52] <saml> hey does normal ubuntu packages work on xubuntu?
[12:53] <dzordz> saml, yes
[12:53] <rww> saml: yeah
[12:53] <saml> dzordz: thanks!
[12:53] <saml> do I need to reinstall things when newer version comes out?  upgrade instructions look hectic for normal users
[12:54] <saml> i mean newer OS version like 9.10
[12:55] <dzordz> 9.10 is already out
[12:55] <dzordz> 10.04 will bee after 1month
[12:56] <Sysi> no, everything is upgraded at the release upgrade
[12:56] <Sysi> no need to any reinstalls
[12:58] <Sysi> for me upgrading seems easy, just run one command or use update manager
[17:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello subspider  :-)
[17:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello ubottu :-)
[17:55] <subspider> hello Sachse_Siechtum
[17:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sachse_Siechtum,  how you doin? :-)
[17:55] <subspider> sorry i as not here
[17:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah no problem
[17:56] <subspider> i'm doing fine and you??
[17:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm great...just eating some salami toasts :-)
[18:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> Damn snow...
[18:36] <robinking623> Sysi: i have already solved problem
[18:36] <robinking623> Sysi: now i am using 804. and X.Org X Server <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:36] <Sysi> good that it's working
[18:37] <robinking623> Sysi: i think the driver in Xorg should be the reason
[18:37] <Sysi> propably so
[18:38] <robinking623> Sysi: that is the only difference
[18:38] <robinking623> Sysi: kernel maybe also
[18:40] <faron> hey ! you guys r talkin about xorg ! I had a question about that pro.........I was thinking about uninstalling that but I'm wondering what would happen if I did that ?
[18:40] <faron> Now,be informed...I am not a very comp literate person
[18:42] <faron> xorg sounds like it might be a kind of important pro but synaptic says that it is "optional"
[18:42] <Sysi> faron: if you use graphical stuff you need xorg
[18:42] <Sysi> if only command line, you don't
[18:42] <faron> I  was thinking about uninstalling it bue to it's memory use aha !
[18:43] <faron> So,someone like me who really doesn't know much aboput comps shouild probably leave that one alone huh ?
[18:43] <faron> bue=due
[18:44] <knome> probably :P
[18:44] <faron> hey there knome ! how r ya taday ?
[18:44] <knome> i'm fine
[18:45] <faron> nice ta see ya
[18:45] <knome> you too
[18:45] <faron> hey knome ?
[18:45] <knome> faron, yeah?
[18:46] <faron> can I ask you a couple of questions about pidgin ?
[18:46] <knome> sure, but i don't know if i'm able to answer them
[18:47] <faron> cool.....#1 why when I join a chat am I not auto switched to that chat tab ?
[18:47] <knome> no idea.
[18:47] <faron> I can't seem to find a setting for that
[18:47] <knome> hmm
[18:47] <knome> then it's maybe a "feature"
[18:47] <faron> hmmm is right...okay...how about this one...
[18:48] <faron> what does it mean when pidgin times you out & you go to your buddy list & click on "reconnect",but you just sit there staring at this message forever informing you  "connecting"  ??
[18:49] <faron> pidgin will not "reconnect me unless I close the entire pro down & reopen it
[18:49] <knome> probably does have something to do with bad connections to irc servers
[18:51] <faron> It's works great until it times me out.But,it just won't allow me to use those "reconnect" buttons for soem reason
[18:53] <faron> hey knome ?
[18:54] <faron> when you said "feature" did you mean that that is probably like an extra ? you know...like an add on ?
[18:55] <faron> it seems like that would be like a default
[18:58] <knome> faron, no
[18:59] <knome> faron, i meant that maybe it is supposed to be so
[19:35] <mtrg> Hi, how to change language input?
[19:46] <mtrg> Oh, this is sad
[19:47] <knome> what is?
[19:47] <mtrg> knome: need to change my language input
[19:48] <knome> mtrg, see settings -> keyboard -> tab layout
[19:48] <mtrg> knome: but that's manual, isn't it?
[19:48] <mtrg> knome: , i need to automate it by alt+shift
[19:48] <knome> mtrg, do you need a fairy to change the layout?
[19:49] <mtrg> yeah, i change it alot
[19:49] <knome> mtrg, you probably need some kind of script which you then bind to alt+shift
[19:49] <mtrg> but one more issue. Ctrl^C doesn't work with my keyboard layout
[19:50] <mtrg> it works with US, but not with my language
[19:50] <mtrg> ah forget about it, i solved the Ctrl+C
[19:50] <mtrg> knome: which command should I use to change keyboard layout within xfce?
[19:51] <mtrg> knome: keyboard app has a sectionf or shortcuts. thinking to place it there.
[19:53] <knome> mtrg, yes, you need to put it there. i don't know what the command is for changing layout real-time, sorry.
[19:53] <mtrg> knome: setxkbmap?
[19:54] <knome> mtrg, probably.
[20:03] <mtrg> How to disable sessions from being saved. I want to start a fresh session every time
[20:03] <mtrg> should I untick on "launch gnome services on startup"?
[20:05] <knome> mtrg, check the logout dialog.
[20:05] <mtrg> knome: you mean untick?
[20:06] <knome> mtrg, no, click the quit button and see the logout dialog which appears.
[20:06] <mtrg> what's there?
[20:06] <mtrg> there is a tick box on "Save session" -- should i untick it?
[20:07] <knome> mtrg, yes, if you want to start with a clean session.
[20:07] <mtrg> knome: but everytime, that tick box is there. i have to remove it everytime?
[20:07] <knome> mtrg, it should not be.
[20:07] <mtrg> knome: how to delete previous sessions?
[20:07] <knome> mtrg, if you untick it, it should keep unticked.
[20:07] <knome> mtrg, see settings -> session and startup
[20:08] <mtrg> then?
[20:08] <knome> mtrg, do you need step-by-step instructions?
[20:09] <mtrg> knome: no, but i can't find anything there that allows me to delete my sessions
[20:09] <knome> mtrg, you only have *one session*
[20:09] <knome> mtrg, which is launched every time.
[20:09] <knome> mtrg, if you save the session for future logins, it overrides the old ont.
[20:09] <knome> *one
[20:09] <mtrg> knome: but i get a drop-down menu for sessions, guess it allows me to choose sessions
[20:09] <knome> mtrg, which xubuntu version you are using?
[20:10] <mtrg> knome: 9.10
[20:10] <knome> mtrg, okay, then the sessions you mean is a different thing.
[20:10] <knome> mtrg, they allow you to run gnome or even kde
[20:10] <knome> mtrg, they have nothing to do with xfce sessions
[20:12] <mtrg> ok
[20:12] <mtrg> knome: any idea how xfce4-keyboard-setting changes the layout neatly?
[20:13] <mtrg> i want to place it in a shortcut, or write an application to do so
[20:13] <knome> mtrg, as i said, you probably should write a script for that
[20:13] <mtrg> but that script needs to call soemthing. at least an api
[20:13] <knome> mtrg, which invokes setxkbmap (?) or some other app to change the layout
[20:14] <knome> mtrg, or you can run setxkbmap directly, but then i suppose you'd have to create one shortcut per layout
[20:15] <mtrg> right. but that has another weird issue.
[20:15] <mtrg> I can't do Ctrl^C shortcuts with the other layout
[20:15] <mtrg> but when I change it with the GUI, i can still Ctrl^C
[20:15] <mtrg> setxkbmap us <-- this is the command i use
[20:15] <mtrg> but instead of us, my layout
[20:16] <mtrg> such as, setxkbmap fr
[20:17] <knome> mtrg, when you are at the other layout, add a new keyboard shortcut again for the command
[20:21] <mtrg> knome: where can i find xorg.conf?
[20:22] <knome> mtrg, you shouldn't poke xorg.conf if you don't know what you are doing, but it's at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - it also might be empty.
[20:23] <mtrg> knome: doesn't exist in that name
[20:23] <mtrg> knome: I want to add an option to toggle layouts
[20:23] <knome> mtrg, the new ubuntu tries to get away from xorg.conf.
[20:23] <mtrg> where is it then..
[20:23] <knome> mtrg, you can create that file, if you DEFINITELY want to hassle with xorg.conf
[20:24] <knome> mtrg, it either is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (note the uppercase X), or it doesn't exist.
[20:24] <mtrg> yeah, uppercase, not there
[20:24] <mtrg> wondering how does xfce4-keyboard-settings already switches keyboard layout
[20:25] <knome> mtrg, if it doesn't exist, and you still want to use one, feel free to create one.
[20:30] <mtrg> knome: I found a neat solution..
[20:30] <knome> mtrg, good to hear
[20:30] <mtrg> knome: configured layouts using xfce4-keyboard-settings the normal way
[20:31] <mtrg> knome: just executed this at shell: setxkbmap -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
[20:31] <knome> mtrg, okay :)
[20:31] <mtrg> knome:  it's sad why doesn't xcfe-keybaord-settings doesn't automatically push options field
[20:32] <knome> the xfce developers try to keep the options visible to minimum
[20:32] <knome> so the layout stays simple/clean
[20:33] <mtrg> wondeering where it saves language settings. i'd better edit it
[20:33] <mtrg> doesn't look neat enough to run a service that pushes -options "" everytime
[21:22] <mtrg> Xubuntu ROCKS -- all issues solved :)
[21:23] <mtrg> Thanks everyone for their efforts in making such great operating system
[21:27] <DerHorst> mtrg: I try xubuntu since today
[21:27] <DerHorst> First look is great, I hope that I am as happy as you in a few days =)
[21:28] <DerHorst> but enough for today
[21:28] <DerHorst> ciao
[21:48] <Kangarooo> how can i start keyring manager in xubuntu?
[22:10] <mintrepublic> hi guys
[22:10] <mintrepublic> i'm having some trouble installing xubuntu
[22:11] <mintrepublic> i have an old hp from 2004 with an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ and a gig of ram
[22:12] <mintrepublic> i burned the x64 iso to a cd and booted to it
[22:12] <mintrepublic> the screen came up, but no matter what i select- install, livecd option, ram check, they all do the same thing
[22:13] <mintrepublic> takes me to a black screen with a dog icon in the middle, then just black
[22:13] <mintrepublic> i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong
[22:16] <likemindead> Ha... it's a mouse, not a dog.
[22:16] <likemindead> Other than that, I'm not sure I can help, though. Sorry.
[22:16] <likemindead> I've always gone with 32-bit. :-\
[22:19] <faron> likemindead does that name have anything to do with being "Gratefully" minded ?? {Heh,heh}
[22:19] <mintrepublic> haha, my monitor is a tv screen, so i couldn't see that well
[22:19] <mintrepublic> i might try the alternate install next
[22:20] <likemindead> I don't follow, faron.
[22:21] <faron> nevermind then...sort of a Grateful Dead issue
[22:21] <Sysi> mintrepublic: how long you've waited with black screen?
[22:21] <faron> thought you might be a fellow follower4
[22:21] <faron> follower {no4}
[22:22] <mintrepublic> i just left it on in the living room, so about 15-20 minutes
[22:32] <likemindead> mintrepublic, 9.10 or 10.04 or ...?
[22:32] <mintrepublic> oh sorry, 9.10
[22:33] <mintrepublic> 9.10 desktop amd64, to be exact
[22:48] <Kangarooo> mintrepublic: i had once a problem with installing xubuntu 9.10 and none of options worked then i cleaned cd as i saw it was with fat from food :) still didnt work then i rewrited (it was rewritablecd) and then i installed with it 3 comps
[22:48] <Kangarooo> maybe oyur cd has butter on it? :)
[22:49] <Kangarooo> breathe on it and then clean in clothe.. ;)
[22:49] <Kangarooo> likemindead: one my friend thought it was a bear :)
[22:53] <mintrepublic> I doubt it has butter or anything else on it since I just took it out of the spindle...
[23:49] <networkr> can anyone help me in editing my menu in Xubuntu Karmic?
[23:49] <networkr> I just loaded spicebird and that doesn't populate menu since it' just a tarball
[23:53] <networkr> all these people logged in and nobody can help me with editing my menu?????


[01:28] <directhex> oh, alpha 4 released
[01:28] <directhex> how's the cd size?
[01:31] <TheMuso> directhex: If its oversized, a file should be present in the dir stating clearly that a disk is oversized.
[01:31] <directhex> TheMuso, i meant from a "did any langpacks have to take a flying leap this time round" perspective
[01:31] <TheMuso> oh
[01:31] <TheMuso> Look at the seeds. :p
[01:31] <TheMuso> Looks like it
[01:37] <crimsun> TheMuso: pulse 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu5~ppa3 from our ppa is good for main upload
[01:37] <crimsun> i'll be fixing the segv and fpe bugs on the bus tomorrow and saturday
[01:38] <crimsun> (well, minus the -jack stuff)
[01:40] <TheMuso> crimsun: Just uploaded your most recent changes to the bzr repo.
[01:40] <TheMuso> and to karmic
[01:41] <crimsun> TheMuso: thanks
[01:41] <TheMuso> np
[03:44] <eddel> Can a package in universe have a Recommends: on a package in multiverse?  In Debian, main can't Recommend non-free. Can I here?
[03:47] <lifeless> I"m not sure
[03:48] <lifeless> it should be documented in the wiki
[03:54] <eddel> I found the chapter and verse in the Debian Policy but this ain't Debian so ...   Pointers would be appreciated.
[03:56]  * ojwb would think the same logic applies - recommends is quite a strong relationship, and something which depends that strongly on something non-free isn't really free itself
[04:01] <jtimberman> eddel: there's an ubuntu policy manual too
[04:01] <jtimberman> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/
[04:05] <crimsun> TheMuso: it's probably a really good idea to push 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu6
[04:05] <dEdd> jtimberman: Thanks, Section 2.2.3 is equivalent to what Debian has:  pkg in universe _must not_ require a pkg outsitde main + universe. That's what I needed.
[04:06] <jtimberman> can you 'suggest' it though?
[04:09] <ojwb> presumably, though it would be better to suggest a free alternative if there is one...
[04:17] <TheMuso> crimsun: righto, will do that now.
[04:21] <crimsun> TheMuso: many thanks!
[04:21] <TheMuso> crimsun: np
[04:21] <TheMuso> uploaded
[04:45] <stoner> just out of interest do you think anyone would be interested in a command line media play that indexes your music collection
[04:45] <stoner> only i've made on
[04:45] <stoner> one *
[06:19] <Dyno3421> in python, calling os.path.join('folder_name', image_name) keeps just returning folder_name/image_name. is this normal? I'm trying to load an image with pygame, but it's a no go since the path isn't valid
[06:19] <StevenK> Dyno3421: Yes, it's normal, but this isn't the channel for questions like that.
[06:52] <ebroder> When I have one package that can completely replace the functionality of another, is that when I use conflicts/provides/replaces?
[06:52] <ebroder> I guess I know I want conflicts and provides, but I can never remember how replaces works
[06:53] <ScottK> ebroder: If they can be co-installed, you probably just want provides.
[06:53] <ebroder> ScottK: They can't be co-installed
[06:54] <ebroder> I'm specifically shipping config files. One is the primary and default; the other is alternate versions of the same config files
[06:58] <ScottK> ebroder: Then conflicts or use update-alternatives perhaps
[06:58] <ebroder> But should it also Replace the other package?
[07:00] <ScottK> Replaces allows it to over-write files provided by the other package.
[07:00] <ebroder> Ok. That sounds like what I want
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <TheMuso> Anyone having problems with bzr branches on launchpad? Looks like I am getting connection refused...
[07:23] <TheMuso> hrm seems fine now.
[07:27] <lifeless> some rollout issue
[07:27] <lifeless> fixed now, but they will be trying again later
[07:30] <TheMuso> ah ok
[08:12] <mdke> could someone have a look at ubuntu-docs_8.10.3 and maybe let it into intrepid-proposed?
[09:37] <cjwatson> ScottK,ebroder: FYI the "overwrite files provided by another package" meaning of Replaces does not apply in the presence of Conflicts; since two packages that conflict can't even be unpacked at the same time, it would be meaningless. The policy manual has explicit language about what Conflicts+Replaces together mean
[09:53] <seb128> jdstrand, hey
[09:53] <seb128> jdstrand, the evince apparmor profile create issues, I assigned the bug to you
[12:03] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: Hello, please don't forget to upload irssi
[12:39] <liw> hmm, something pops up a dialog every time I log into my desktop machine, telling me I have a broken hard disk -- while I appreciate the sentiment, I'd like a way to turn that off (unless that's been fixed in the past 48 hours?)
[12:39] <amitk> liw: +1
[12:39] <liw> (I've alread dealt with the bad sectors, and have nothing on the broken hard disk I am worried about)
[12:40] <liw> hm, let's upgrade and reboot and see if it is fixed now
[12:41] <liw> (fsck... *sigh*)
[12:45] <liw> nope, still there
[12:49] <liw> hm, no obvious process that's showing the dialog -- how do I figure that out?
[12:50] <liw> er, never mind, the window title is explanatory
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> liw - it's part of the gdu notifier. and i think there's already a bug report about the notification
[12:54] <liw> chrisccoulson, there's #512152 which seems to be about the warning being triggered by mistake, at least originally
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> liw - yeah. theres also one about the non-expiring notificaion, causing notify-osd to display it as an ugly fallback dialog
[12:56] <liw> well, I think a dialog is appropriate, if my disk is actually failing
[12:56] <liw> but I'd like to not be nagged about it on every login
[12:57] <liw> (also, I'd like launchpad not to muck up my arrow/paging keys)
[13:01] <cjwatson> liw: I think edge no longer does ...
[13:04] <liw> cjwatson, good, then I'll get the fix too, eventually :)
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> liw - the notificaion is currently only a dialog by accident, due it not using notify-osd correctly. but, yes, i agree that it should be a dialog anyway
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> and it will be a more helpful dialog when it is fixed correctly
[13:06] <liw> cool
[13:08] <mjr> Hello hello; recent gnutls upgrade apparently broke md5-signed certificates. This is all fine and well, except, you know, when you happen to have one on disk that you kinda trust for putting it there yourself, and then ldap authentication breaks large system-wide.
[13:09] <mjr> probably configuring to ignore that, but I thought I'd mention that the change is really potentially rather disruptive
[13:10] <mjr> and therefore perchance not a thing to do in a minor update
[13:10] <cjwatson> liw: bug 1072427
[13:10] <cjwatson> err
[13:10] <cjwatson> liw: bug 107247
[13:11] <liw> cjwatson, *nod*
[13:13] <mjr> (at least not inspiring much confidence in Ubuntu's stability around here in, oh, the birthplace of Linux)
[13:17] <jdstrand> seb128: re evince/apparmor> ack. I'll have it fixed shortly
[13:18] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks
[13:18] <liw> mjr, I know nothing about gnutls, but... do you mean it dropped support for md5-signed certificates?
[13:19] <seb128> doesn't seem there was any gnutls change in karmic
[13:20] <jdstrand> mjr: this is likely bug #305264
[13:23] <phish3> hey I just updated a package for karmic and uploaded it to my ppa
[13:23] <phish3> now I'd like to provide the same update for juanty
[13:23] <phish3> how should i do that?
[13:24] <liw> phish3, add a changelog entry to say you're uploading to jaunty, and upload the new source package?
[13:24] <liw> (that's a guess)
[13:24] <phish3> liw: I'll try
[13:49] <liw> hal's going away; what's today's replacement for "gnome-mount --unmount -h /org/freedesktop/..."?
[13:51] <seb128> liw, devkit-disks --unmount ...
[13:52] <liw> indeed; thanks!
[13:52] <seb128> you're welcome
[13:55] <mjr> jdstrand, thanks
[14:04] <dez> Hi all
[14:06] <dez> Hi, I want to join the ubuntu development community. anyone could help me?
[14:06] <iulian> dez: Please see /topic.
[14:07] <dez> ok, thanks iulian
[14:14] <mjr> jdstrand, except it happened today and we seem to be up-to-date with gnutls, 0.3 today probably broke it
[14:15] <jdstrand> mjr: you are running intrepid?
[14:15] <phish3> what's the best way to get build deps from a control file or where one would run debuild
[14:16] <phish3> *get and install
[14:16] <liw> phish3, "apt-get build-dep"?
[14:16] <liw> else run dpkg-checkbuilddeps and parse output?
[14:16] <jdstrand> mjr: 2.4.1-1ubuntu0.3 was only pushed yesterday
[14:17] <jdstrand> mjr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls12/+bug/305264/comments/70 explains the situation wrt md5. This is going to be discussed in an as yet to be published usn
[14:18] <phish3> liw: that'd work if i had the package
[14:18] <phish3> built already
[14:18] <phish3> the deps changed though
[14:18] <phish3> so now I need to go fetch new ones....
[14:19] <liw> phish3, there might be something in the devscripts package
[14:20] <mjr> jdstrand, oh yeah, true, intrepid, sorry, forgot to mention
[14:22] <jdstrand> mjr: unfortunately our hands were rather tied wrt upstream's handling of the CVE that started that bug. In the end we needed to fix the security issue and that was the only way to do it. as I said, this is going to be discussed in the next security notice for gnutls (another update is pending)
[14:23] <jdstrand> mjr: I apologize for the inconvenience
[14:28] <s0u][ight> cjwatson ping
[14:29] <phish3> liw: thanks for the tip, mk-build-deps btw
[14:29] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m7ab3cd19 gnome-keybinding-properties crashes
[14:29] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: yes?
[14:30] <s0u][ight> cjwatson take a look at the link
[14:30] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: I don't know anything about gnome-keybinding-properties; I don't know why you're asking me
[14:30] <s0u][ight> :s it's a bug i discovered, i never submitted a bug before
[14:31] <s0u][ight> btw thanks about easybcd helped me a lot
[14:34] <s0u][ight> cjwatson seems to be fixed in git, sorry for bothering you
[14:34] <soren> Can I somehow check for the existence of a function in posix shell?
[14:37] <soren> Ah, "type" reveals it.
[14:39] <mjr> jdstrand, well, we worked around it, will have to follow the situation then
[14:43] <jdstrand> mjr: the situation should be over now-- people like yourself unfortunately need to workaround it/update the md5 certificates. also note that upgrading to 9.04 (or later) would have caused the same problem for you later even if the change did not occur in 8.10. but I know it is a pain
[15:35] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: thanks
[15:38] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a channel for notify-osd ?
[15:38] <AnAnt> or is the guy working on notify OSD here ?
[15:40] <Pici> AnAnt: #ayatana might be the place to ask
[15:55] <phish3> can I specify multiple distributions in debian/changelog?
[15:56] <phish3> ex: pulseaudio (1:0.9.16~test4-0jenewton2) jaunty; urgency=low -> pulseaudio (1:0.9.16~test4-0jenewton2) jaunty, karmic; urgency=low
[15:57] <james_w> phish3: space separated, but it's not supported by the archive software
[15:57] <phish3> james_w: best solution?
[15:57] <james_w> upload twice?
[15:58] <phish3> alrighty
[15:59] <phish3> I'm still wrapping my head through it and making progress but ubuntu build system is a bit harder than opensuse's imo
[16:25] <slangasek> ScottK: bug #339313 isn't marked as fix released, though; could you follow that up?
[16:25] <ColdWind> any dev interested in latex can sponsor bug #409673 ? it's breaking major functionality on pdftex, pdflatex and programs based on these like kile (I guess a few more too)
[16:26] <ScottK> slangasek: Doing the LP Foo now.  It's complicated due to package renames.
[16:26] <slangasek> ScottK: ok
[16:41] <ogra> ScottK, i guess you could use an xorg.conf with Driver fbdev
[16:41] <ScottK> ogra: OK.  I'll try it.
[16:42] <ogra> NCommander has the HW to do testing for you though and he cares for KDE usually in the mobile team
[16:45] <james_w> if a package uses pycentral include-links then it seems hard to make it available for other python versions
[16:45] <james_w> has anyone else seen this?
[16:46] <james_w> I've installed python2.4 in a karmic chroot and can't get setuptools to be available under 2.4
[16:49] <MacSlow> kenvandine, and idea what might be causing gconfd-2 eating up the CPU if one does "compiz --replace"?
[16:49] <ogra> MacSlow, kill metacity
[16:49] <ogra> it keeps running
[16:50]  * ogra had the same prob, seb128 nicely educated me
[16:50] <MacSlow> ogra, trying...
[16:50] <MacSlow> how odd is that?!
[16:50] <ogra> :)
[16:51] <ogra> known bug though
[16:51] <MacSlow> ogra, any clues why that's happening?
[16:51] <ogra> no, but seb128 might have researched it, he pointed me directly to the workaround
[16:52] <seb128> there is a bug open on launchpad
[16:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson knows details
[16:52] <ogra> ah
[16:52] <ogra> MacSlow, ^^
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> yes, its because metacity doesn't set the RestartStyleHint correctly when exiting
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> so gnome-session just respawns it again
[16:53] <cjwatson> james_w: XS-Python-Versions doesn't do it?
[16:53] <cjwatson> james_w: I was wondering if lsb_release needs to be available for more than current
[16:54] <james_w> XS-Python-Version: 2.5, 2.6
[16:54] <james_w> so will it refuse to bcompile for 2.4?
[16:54] <james_w> I guess it's set to that so it doesn't use 2.4 at build time, and so python2.4 can be demoted
[16:55] <james_w> I can imagine some modules importing lsb_release, but I don't know of any, and I imagine lsb-release calls are far more common
[16:56] <cjwatson> true
[16:56] <cjwatson> james_w: is there any reason why you can't use include-links (to suppress some of the byte-compilation) *and* make some additional symlinks manually
[16:56] <cjwatson> ?
[16:56] <james_w> manually at build time, or manually after installation?
[17:00] <james_w> hmm, seems no modules were set-up for python2.4
[17:00] <james_w> I tried to do an rtinstall as well
[17:01] <cjwatson> I meant build-time
[17:01] <happyaron> can tor added in karmic
[17:01] <happyaron> ?
[17:02] <happyaron> it seems to be an mistake that it has been deleted from Jaunty, some one told me that's to delete 0.1.x but 0.2.x is deleted now
[17:02] <james_w> cjwatson: yeah, you probably could
[17:02] <happyaron> and here I've filed a bug, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/413657
[17:09] <kees> mterry: so... I *was* getting kernel messages, but when I did a restart of rsyslog, they stopped (but no errors that I can find...)
[17:10] <mterry> kees: Oh, good...  :-/
[17:10] <james_w> ah, you can't rtinstall 2.4 because it's not in "supported-versions"
[17:10] <kees> mterry: the dd seems to be running, though
[17:10] <mterry> kees: that's good.  how did you restart rsyslog?  reload/hup or restart?
[17:10] <kees> mterry: stop/start
[17:12] <kees> mterry: the dd is restarting as well.  *scratch head*
[17:12] <mterry> kees: I'm not sure either...
[17:12] <kees> mterry: if it shows up in "dmesg", I should expect to see it out of syslog, yes?
[17:13] <mterry> kees: I don't think that's universally true.  I'm getting kernel messages, but not everything in dmesg
[17:13] <mterry> kees: oh, maybe i am
[17:14] <mterry> kees: the way i usually test kernel message is just tailing /var/log/syslog and unplugging usb
[17:16] <kees> mterry: dd appears to be buffering?
[17:16] <kees> read(0, "<6>[78582.176041] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 3\n<6>[78582.176197] gspca: disconnect complete\n", 512) = 98
[17:16] <kees> write(1, "<6>[78495.781527] device br0 entered promiscuous mode\n<6>[78496.856514] device br0 left promiscuous mode\n<6>[78536.296047] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 2\n<6>[78536.296173] gspca: disconnect complete\n<6>[78543.456518] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3\n<6>[78543.643728] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice\n<6>[78543.646665] gspca: probing 046d:089d\n<6>[78543.646669] zc3xx: Sensor MC501CB\n
[17:16] <kees> note the time offsets...
[17:17] <kees> and I just got a huge hit of sutff into syslog
[17:17] <kees> (which corresponded to the "write")
[17:17] <mterry> kees: the latest version uses bs=1; i would think that wouldn't buffer
[17:18] <kees> mterry: I have 4.2.0-1ubuntu2
[17:18] <kees> it shows:
[17:18] <kees>   start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $KMSG_PIDFILE --exec /bin/dd -b -m -- if=/proc/kmsg of=$KMSG_PIPE
[17:18] <mterry> kees: upgrade to 4.2.0-2ubuntu1!
[17:19] <kees> mterry: ah-ha!  4 hours new.  :)
[17:19] <mterry> kees: when I ported the dd stuff from sysklogd to rsyslog, I inexplicably dropped the bs=1 line.  not sure how, because I can't believe I retyped that line by hand
[17:19] <kees> heh
[17:20] <kees> mterry: okay, well, cool.  I'm sure that'll solve my issue.  thanks!
[17:20] <mterry> kees: OK, well that's good then.  One mystery down
[17:20] <mterry> kees: yeah  :)
[17:26] <phish3> any idea on one can see what position in the queue one's ppa packages are for being built?
[17:26] <phish3> *how
[17:37] <bdrung_> dholbach: yesterday i was the complete day afmk
[17:45] <jdstrand> asac: fyi, not sure if you saw it, but I requested a merge for my apparmor/firefox work. (see bug #382917)
[17:46] <jdstrand> asac: it is disabled by default and opt-in only (as the bug says), so risk of regression should be quite low
[17:46] <cjwatson> Laney: I can't remember if I said, but I think the ghc6 stuff on powerpc is as far as I can get it with retries alone. haskelldb-dynamic highlighting-kate haskell-curl haskell-pcre-light remain
[17:49] <dholbach> bdrung_: that's fine - no worries
[17:49]  * dholbach heads out for the WE now - take care
[17:51] <asac> jdstrand: great thanks for the update. I will let someone merge it.
[17:51]  * asac out again
[17:51] <jdstrand> lamont`: it would be great if we could get bug #412751 fixed. There is a debdiff in the bug. What do think? Shall I just upload? do you want a git commit? can you apply the debdiff to git? please advise
[17:52] <lamont`> jdstrand: most cool.
[17:52] <lamont`> I'll apply the debdiff and upload, prolly tonight if that works for you?
[17:53] <jdstrand> lamont`: that would be fantastic. no huge rush. thanks!
[17:53] <lamont`> there are a couple of other things already committed in the git tree to roll along with that, so upload is kinda pending these days
[17:53] <jdstrand> I thought there might be, so wanted to ask :)
[18:01] <Laney> cjwatson: Thanks, I'll catch up with it on Sunday
[18:01] <Laney> I think I've gotten as far as I can without serious investigation on other arches too
[18:01] <Laney> what remains are package that FTBFS for various reasons
[18:02] <Laney> and one or two that are blocked on broken cdbs
[18:07] <directhex> Laney, there's a different kind?
[18:17] <norsetto> is there any plan to make automake1.10 available in karmic or we just forget about it?
[18:18] <cjwatson> the Debian maintainer seems to think it's appropriate to supersede it entirely with 1.11, and only have one version
[18:19] <cjwatson> this doesn't seem out of order to me
[18:20] <omaha> hello all
[18:20] <norsetto> cjwatson, ok, so we forget about it, thx
[18:20] <cjwatson> if there are problems that can't be fixed with 1.11, it might be appropriate to reintroduce 1.10
[18:20] <cjwatson> but I'd rather do that if need be rather than just 'cos we're paranoid
[18:21] <omaha> is anyone familiar with the status of a touchscreen calibration util for evdev?
[18:21] <omaha> i'm under the impression that some work was done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyTouchscreenHandling
[18:21] <omaha> or was at least intended....
[18:22] <omaha> i'm about to write an app that would replace this utility, unless it already exists :)
[18:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sorry I need to go for dinner now but maybe there is still some us guy there working who could sponsor
[18:44] <seb128> slangasek, want to sponsor a nautilus fix for chrisccoulson?
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that's ok. i'm still investigating it some more actually. there seems to be something confusing going on from GDU
[18:44] <seb128> ok
[18:44] <seb128> need to run
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> so, nothing to sponsor just yet ;)
[18:44] <seb128> bbl
[18:52] <slangasek> seb128: can do
[18:52] <slangasek> or not
[18:52] <slangasek> :)
[19:28] <sebner> slangasek: I'm wondering who has the next archive admin job (buglist is pretty long and growing) :P
[19:29] <slangasek> sebner: the rotation is documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[19:30] <sebner> slangasek: ah, so I'm looking forward to monday seeing you in action ;-P
[19:30] <ebroder> Does anybody have an example d-i preseed file that sets an empty root password?
[19:30] <ebroder> I've tried setting user-setup/password-empty and user-setup/allow-password-empty both to true, but it doesn't seem to be enough
[19:31] <slangasek> sebner: it's still Friday, perhaps jdstrand is doing some today
[19:31] <cjwatson> there are some things d-i just won't let you do
[19:31] <jdstrand> I do plan to work on it today, but a bit later
[19:32] <cjwatson> if you want to do this, you'll have to set it to a dummy value and change the password directly from preseed/late_command
[19:32] <sebner> jdstrand: do you really want to take away all the sync bugs for slangasek? :P
[19:32] <ebroder> cjwatson: Ok. I kind of thought that was how I was reading the user-setup scripts; just wanted to be sure
[19:32] <jdstrand> heh, well, I'd like to... but whether or not I'll be able to is another question entirely
[21:04] <slangasek> mathiaz: so if you remove mysql-client-5.0 first, does the dist-upgrade work?
[21:05] <mathiaz> slangasek: hm - that would remove mysql-server too
[21:05] <slangasek> oh
[21:05] <mathiaz> slangasek: let me try that
[21:05] <slangasek> well if it's a dependency, I guess there's no hope for that
[21:05] <slangasek> I mean, yeah it works, but it doesn't help us narrow down the problem any :)
[21:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: right - and I think dist-upgrade should be supported
[21:06] <slangasek> yeah
[21:06] <slangasek> I was just wanting to isolate if it was a problem with the client vs. server packages, but if the server deps on the client, that doesn't help
[21:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: considering that FF is around the corner would it make sense to upload the new package now and sort out the upgrade later?
[21:06] <slangasek> I think that'd be ok
[21:07] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok - so I'm going to upload mysql-dfsg-5.1 today
[21:07] <mathiaz> and then I'd need some AA to do the override.
[21:08] <mathiaz> s/override/promotion/
[21:08]  * slangasek nods
[21:16] <ccheney> er is copying files in gnome terminal supposed to qualify as inactive for the sake of power management putting the system to sleep?
[21:18] <ccheney> it put one of my machines to sleep in the middle of a huge copy and now i get to do a long fsck :-\
[21:24] <ebroder> If I'm using the Jaunty d-i to install an older release, do I need to set both mirror/suite and mirror/udeb/suite? How badly are things going to break if they're not the same?
[21:25] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced that's even possible
[21:25] <cjwatson> I wouldn't recommend setting mirror/udeb/suite - that's for bits of the installer itself
[21:26] <cjwatson> the way to go about it would be to set only mirror/suite
[21:26] <ebroder> But just setting mirror/suite should work?
[21:32] <niktaris> why are there .deb files on the remix version ?
[21:33] <niktaris> does it use d-i for installation or does it use the ubuquity ?
[21:34] <cjwatson> ubiquity uses a small number of .debs too
[21:35] <cjwatson> ebroder: it's worth a shot, but it is by no means guaranteed
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> hey slangasek - still available to do some sponsoring? i'm just building and testing this brasero change to fix a nautilus crash that seb128 mentioned earlier
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> i will push to bzr once i've tested it
[21:36] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: yep
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> thanks :) i'll let you know once i've pushed the change
[21:41] <mdke> could someone have a look at ubuntu-docs_8.10.3 and maybe let it into intrepid-proposed?
[21:42] <niktaris> cjwatson, hi, while trying to build a custom remix version I am curius as of how important these .deb files are.
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> does anybody know what happens to CD drive entries listed in /etc/fstab on upgrade if the device node is different after the upgrade to karmic?
[21:46] <cjwatson> niktaris: they're used for a variety of things which are conditionally installed; on your own head be it if you leave them out. :-)
[21:46] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I think update-manager has a rune to try to adjust them ...
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson - thanks. i've spoken to some people who have stale entries in their fstab after upgrading. we just discovered it because it was a trigger for a nautilus crash i've just been looking at
[21:48] <niktaris> cjwatson, I don't need to remove them I am just thinking if I should add mine too, even though they will be already installed in the .squashfs system :)
[21:49] <cjwatson> niktaris: if they're in the squashfs, you don't need to include them separately too
[21:50] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: at most update-manager does it, so they may not have used that to upgrade
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson - yeah, that's possible. thanks
[21:51] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I noticed today that mvo committed some code to upstream apt a little while back to add a more dynamic way to handle those, so we have some hope of making this go away eventually, although the upgrade problem remains
[21:51] <chrisccoulson> that will mean the CD entries going away entirely won't it?
[21:55] <ebroder> ...huh. So I set mirror/suite to hardy...and still got a Jaunty machine
[21:57] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: right
[21:57] <cjwatson> ebroder: may just not work
[21:57] <ebroder> I guess not. Oh well
[21:57] <cjwatson> feel free to figure out why :)
[21:57] <cjwatson> DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer may produce a more helpful (or at least verbose) syslog
[22:05] <niktaris> cjwatson, thanks
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - i pushed the brasero change for sponsoring to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/brasero/ubuntu
[22:20] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: grabbing
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[22:23] <mdke> slangasek: do you think you might be able to have a look at poking the ubuntu-docs package in the intrepid-proposed queue through if you get a moment later?
[22:23] <slangasek> mdke: yes, I have some time blocked this afternoon for SRU processing
[22:23] <mdke> slangasek: awesome, thanks
[22:31] <arand> slangasek: May I likewise plug the goffice package in ibex & jaunty queue?
[22:40] <a|wen> mathiaz: regarding the mysql-server 5.1 upgrade ... running apt-get with debug-options on the package-resolver doesn't reveal anything to note; it seems that apt's resolver simply isn't smart enough (aptitude safe-upgrade works fine)
[23:07] <jdstrand> slangasek, james_w: I couldn't get to archive work today. I'm gonna try to do some over the weekend though
[23:07] <jdstrand> slangasek, james_w: fyi only...
[23:09] <slangasek> jdstrand: ah, cheers
[23:12] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: uploaded
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - thank you
[23:34] <ccheney> grr i somehow broke my OOo build without even knowing wtf i did :-\
[23:39] <ebroder> Does anybody still have a good writeup on how to do a fully unattended dapper install with a preseed URL (not file)?
[23:39] <ebroder> I can't find any kernel command line arguments that will bypass the kbd-chooser/method prompt


[07:49] <praisethemoon> good day folks!
[07:59] <Chikore> Morning praisethemoon :)
[08:00] <praisethemoon> Chikore, good morning!
[08:00] <praisethemoon> How is it going?
[08:01] <Chikore> Good :) working ...
[08:16] <praisethemoon> Work Harder!
[08:16] <praisethemoon> We want to see awesome things :3
[08:30] <Chikore> haha you will see me crying
[08:30] <Chikore> xD
[08:47] <elacheche> Morning! Check this http://ipv6tree.bitnet.be/
[09:10] <praisethemoon> Chikore, xd no not that xD
[09:13] <Chikore> elacheche, let's ping it all haha
[09:19] <elacheche> Chikore: Read the updates.. The whole internet is pingging him x)
[09:19] <Chikore> Meskin :D
[09:19] <elacheche> oussemos: Morning! Check this http://ipv6tree.bitnet.be/
[09:20] <elacheche> wassup praisethemoon
[09:20] <oussemos> Morning elacheche & all
[09:20] <praisethemoon> pinging who elacheche ?
[09:21] <elacheche> praisethemoon: check the link
[09:21] <praisethemoon> Chikore, I think of starting my own business and working at the same time, do you think that is possible?
[09:21] <elacheche> Go in PM praisethemoon :p
[09:22] <praisethemoon> okay, sorry ^^
[09:22] <praisethemoon> I want to share a sad story
[09:23] <praisethemoon> there is a new AI course hosted by Udacity
[09:23] <praisethemoon> it costs about 1600$, and has limited seats, requires an application
[09:24] <praisethemoon> I applied and was accepted, the total number of applications is currently about 3000 for a 1000 available seats
[09:24] <elacheche> 1600$ is too much :/
[09:24] <praisethemoon> didn't realize the price till they accepted my application and asked me to pay, or apply for a scolarship (30 seats only)
[09:24] <elacheche> isn't it?
[09:24] <praisethemoon> It is man
[09:25] <praisethemoon> so I applied to the scholarship, and got
[09:25] <praisethemoon> https://paste.kde.org/pwzvah513
[09:25]  * praisethemoon stares into space
[09:25]  * praisethemoon and cries
[09:25] <elacheche> Good luck for the next time praisethemoon
[09:26] <praisethemoon> thank you elacheche x)
[09:26] <praisethemoon> at least I tried :3
[09:26] <elacheche> yep
[09:26] <praisethemoon> btw, what project did you choose elacheche?
[09:27] <elacheche> oussemos: isn't it better to register your nickname and get a cloack?
[09:27] <praisethemoon> Did the teacher accept the suggestion I proposed?
[09:27] <elacheche> praisethemoon: still thinking..
[09:27] <praisethemoon> oh boy
[09:27] <praisethemoon> you think way too much
[09:27] <praisethemoon> XD
[09:27] <praisethemoon> I can help you with some css
[09:27] <praisethemoon> i'm good @ bootstrap and Semantic UI
[09:28] <elacheche> Also still try to find a teacher x)
[09:30] <oussemos> elacheche: u r talking about freenode? its already registred
[09:32] <elacheche> oussemos: what do you wait fo to get a cloak ;)
[09:33] <praisethemoon> i can see ur IP
[09:35] <oussemos> elacheche praisethemoon : yeah good remark guys :D
[09:35] <elacheche> ;)
[09:36] <praisethemoon> (;
[09:47] <SalahMessaoud> o/ Channel
[10:03] <praisethemoon> SalahMessaoud, \o
[10:04] <praisethemoon> How is it going?
[10:04] <SalahMessaoud> praisethemoon, good good and you ?
[10:04] <praisethemoon> i'm good as well my friend
[10:05] <SalahMessaoud> did you try to apply to udemy nanodegree ?
[10:05] <SalahMessaoud> :D
[10:09] <praisethemoon> SalahMessaoud, yeah, got my butt kicked :(
[21:28] <praisethemoon> hello
[21:38] <praisethemoon> elacheche, yo
[21:53] <elacheche> yo praisethemoon
[21:55] <praisethemoon> elacheche, how is it going? :)
[21:59] <elacheche> Good :)
[22:01] <elacheche> Having fun tonight praisethemoon ?
[22:10] <praisethemoon> elacheche, yeah took the day off tomorrow
[22:10] <praisethemoon> ^_^
[22:12] <elacheche> Cool!  OK :p x) Have fun :p
[22:12] <praisethemoon> working on my language
[22:13] <praisethemoon> wbu elacheche?
[22:13] <elacheche> Good boy praisethemoon..
[22:13] <elacheche> I think that I find my project idea x)
[22:26] <praisethemoon> elacheche, hit me
[22:26] <praisethemoon> HARD
[23:46] <elacheche> A Tomcat check plugin for Nagios.. Actually it's something that I need, and I was not able to find a good/easy way to do it.. If there is a way, there is no docs.. Unreadable codes etc... I think somone should work on that, why wait for others when  have an idea how to do it..


[00:24] <Noskcaj> Logan_, any chance you could review something for me?
[00:24] <Noskcaj> lp:~noskcaj/+junk/gnome-weather
[00:24] <Noskcaj> It's needed for ubuntu-gnome
[00:47] <Logan_> Noskcaj: why not Debian?
[02:50] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Debian won't take stuff with CC-BY-2.0 licenses
[03:04] <Logan_> Noskcaj: what have other MOTUs' responses been?
[03:04] <Logan_> and can I see the discussion in Debian about the license?
[03:04] <Logan_> since it seems to be maintained in a Debian repository
[03:05] <Noskcaj> I've not contacted other MOTUs yet, but debian and the ubuntu-gnome head dev suggested this way/
[03:05] <Logan_> hmm
[03:07] <Noskcaj> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=703150 is upstream bug
[06:13] <Noskcaj> Could someone please review lp:~noskcaj/+junk/gnome-weather
[08:29] <darkxst> anyone able to upload lp:~noskcaj/+junk/gnome-weather to trusty NEW?
[08:30] <darkxst> its a sync from debian SVN, but can't go into debian due to CC-BY licensed artwork
[08:52] <geser> does Ubuntu accept this license?
[08:53] <geser> any reason why you didn't preserve the debian changelog? (or didn't exist any?)
[09:33] <darkxst> geser, plenty of CC-BY stuff in ubuntu
[09:34] <darkxst> there was a changelog for 3.8, no idea why Noskcaj didnt include that
[09:34] <darkxst> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/packages/experimental/gnome-weather/debian/changelog?view=co
[09:48] <mitya57> darkxst: plenty of CC-BY *2.0* licensed stuff?
[09:51]  * mitya57 wonders if optimization done by pkgbinarymangler is a derived/collective work
[09:52] <darkxst> mitya57, ok, don't know about plenty, but have definitely seen some in universe
[09:53] <mitya57> Can that artwork be just patched out?
[09:53] <darkxst> mitya57, its weather icons, app is nothing without them!
[09:59] <mitya57> OK, as a short term solution I think it's fine to have these in Ubuntu.
[09:59] <mitya57> I will maybe upload it in the evening, if noone else does that before me.
[10:01] <mitya57> By the way you really should use the sponsoring queue :)
[10:01] <darkxst> mitya57, I only have really limited upload rights, just desktop-extras
[10:02] <mitya57> But you still can file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors...
[10:03] <darkxst> where exactly would one file a bug on a non-existent package though?
[10:04] <mitya57> Against "ubuntu" project.
[10:04] <darkxst> ok
[10:04] <geser> darkxst: against Ubuntu, like all the RFP lingering there
[11:46] <mitya57> Noskcaj, darkxst: uploaded
[19:38] <ESphynx> hey guys, is there a way by now to mark a build-dependency as optional?
[19:39] <jtaylor> you shouldn'T do that
[19:39] <jtaylor> builds should be reproducable, optional dependencies would negate that
[19:39] <ESphynx> in an ideal world upx-ucl would be available on arm and not break my builds :P
[19:39] <jtaylor> it is only used for bootstraping for staged builds
[19:39] <ESphynx> jtaylor: I would like optiona if it exists at all on the platform.
[19:39] <jtaylor> you can remove arches from build depends
[19:40] <jtaylor> [!arch]
[19:40] <ESphynx> but gotta do that one by one and that's annoying as heck
[19:40] <jtaylor> you can also list the ones it works on I think
[19:40] <ESphynx> so how would I add that
[19:41] <ESphynx> upx-ucl [!ppc64el] [!arm64],   ?
[19:42] <jtaylor> if it never built on an arch just don'T care
[19:42] <jtaylor> it doesn'T harm migration
[19:43] <jtaylor> [!ppc64el !arm64] I think
[19:43] <ESphynx> it built before on arm64 and on powerpc
[19:43] <jtaylor> see gcc source that should have a few examples
[19:43] <ESphynx> not sure how ppc64el is related
[19:44] <ESphynx> ah, no it never built on arm64 that's new
[19:44] <ESphynx> still, I'd like the opportunity to have the build attempted so I can fix any problems
[19:45] <ESphynx> our project is a cross-platform SDK after all so it has to be as portable as possible ;)
[20:02] <ESphynx> thanks jtaylor :P


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[02:01] <edwin> someone speak spanish?
[02:03] <mhz> I do
[02:03] <mhz> yo
[02:03] <mhz> :)
[02:06] <edwin> heh
[02:06] <edwin> ola
[02:06] <edwin> lei.. un poco de edubuntu en la web
[02:06] <edwin> quieria averiguar mas
[02:07] <jelkner> ogra: is the edubuntu is ready for use?
[02:07] <edwin> heh.. se fue mhz
[02:10] <jelkner> does anyone know if the edubuntu cd is ready for use/testing?
[03:02] <mhz_vuelvo_luego> edwin: aun estoy en la preparacion de la cena... si me esperas un poco, con agrado te explico lo que necesites :)
[06:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:07] <mhz> hi there
[06:07] <mhz> got 3 minutes?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:07] <mhz> ok
[06:07] <mhz> I shoot
[06:07] <jsgotangco> what's up
[06:07] <mhz> Moin/ last time I understood the following:
[06:08] <mhz> Doc team is using SVN because you all need versioning, and DocBook because of its capabilities, right?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> DocBook has been used throughout any technical documentation AFAIK
[06:09] <mhz> However, despite SVN is very good and mature, it is always to work off line and then submit
[06:09] <jsgotangco> and very much centralized
[06:10] <mhz> That forces doc team gung to carry the HD with them all the time, right?
[06:10] <mhz> (if we talk about fans, of course)
[06:10] <jsgotangco> contributors have their machines yes
[06:11] <mhz> Also, SVN forces people to IDLE or others to submit their advances before we know the real time status of their contributions, right?
[06:12] <mhz> IDLE for others.
[06:12] <jsgotangco> im not following you
[06:12] <mhz> hehe
[06:12] <jsgotangco> SVN is being used because everyone in the team is used to it
[06:12] <mhz> SVN is good BUT forces to be people-dependant
[06:12] <jsgotangco> but its not just Edubuntu
[06:12] <jsgotangco> its the whole Ubuntu documentation
[06:12] <mhz> yes, I know
[06:13] <jsgotangco> we've been talking about moving it to Baz in the near future post breezy
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is gonna kick some butts
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is real cool
[06:13] <jsgotangco> because SVN forces us to be dependent on 1 person controlling ACLs
[06:13] <mhz> yes, exactly
[06:13] <mhz> Now we talk
[06:13] <jsgotangco> me and mpt have been doing some Ubuntu Help on Baz but it won't come out for breezy probably
[06:14] <mhz> I am a Translator, ans as such, I always wanted a tool that could let me work both off and on line
[06:15] <mhz> but always keep everything on line, so I can be anywhere with any web browser and work
[06:15] <mhz> MoinMoin lets me do that
[06:15] <mhz> plus its control versioning is very good
[06:15] <mhz> and deals beautifully with ACL's
[06:16] <jsgotangco> if you're talking about a web/browser interface to do documentation, we've discussed that a long long time ago in the docteam but it fizzled out and resulted in a mini-flame war within the community
[06:16] <mhz> LOL
[06:16] <jsgotangco> it needs to be planned ahead
[06:16] <jsgotangco> even the Gnome people have it as a bounty
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i mean Google
[06:17] <jsgotangco> because the problem is social, not technical
[06:17] <mhz> that's why I will do my translations in MoinMoin
[06:17] <mhz> and show a working alternative
[06:17] <mhz> not just the idea
[06:17] <jsgotangco> right
[06:17] <jsgotangco> but i don't think its workable in our time frame
[06:17] <jsgotangco> Sept. 8 is documentation freeze
[06:17] <mhz> my only problem is I am XML ignorant
[06:17] <jsgotangco> we can do so in Breezy +1
[06:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, we can just parse basic docbook tags
[06:18] <jsgotangco> so we have a proof of concept
[06:18] <mhz> so wahteever I do, I know Moin has a Moin 2 XML something, but I have no idea what to do with that output
[06:19] <jsgotangco> probably some Moin script that will transform moin tags to docbook equivalent
[06:19] <mhz> ok, so you say that I just take care of moining the doc and you get it into XML ?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know very little of Moin scripting
[06:20] <mhz> np
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know the ACLs and stuff
[06:20] <mhz> Moin is 100% python
[06:20] <jsgotangco> because a Moin solution will be very welcome in Ubuntu
[06:20] <mhz> and we can always get help from the Moin gang
[06:20] <mhz> (very cool and clever guys)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> a solution like that will benefit not only Edubuntu but the whole documentation project
[06:21] <mhz> Well, actually, I mentioned and you can see it, Moin .po files are being kept 100% wikied
[06:23] <jsgotangco> if you can work something out, we'll see and get the docteam to try it out
[06:23] <jsgotangco> the end result should still be in source docbook as much as possible
[06:23] <mhz> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinI18n/es
[06:23] <jsgotangco> and let Moin do the front end
[06:24] <mhz> exactly
[06:24] <jsgotangco> but it should not hamper people from still doing docbook if they want to
[06:25] <mhz> Well, I am hosting a site (always in Moin) in a few days more. this will have info about Edubuntu, Ubuntu, and 2 projects I am working on for Latin american schools
[06:25] <mhz> There, I plan to host a Spanish version of Cookbook
[06:26] <mhz> However, 97% of what we talked now, I am sure it is already done in Moin
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ok inform us when you get it working
[06:26] <mhz> Versioning has always worked perfectly
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i'll just brb for lunch
[06:26] <mhz> np
[06:26] <mhz> I'll go to sleep
[06:26] <mhz> :D
[06:26] <mhz> see ya
[09:33] <highvoltage> I'm updating the tuxlab troubleshooting guide for edubuntu/skubuntu/ubuntu
[09:34] <highvoltage> what would be the best way for a lab administrator to reset their password if they forget it?
[09:34] <highvoltage> (the first user created with admin)
[09:34] <highvoltage> afaik, they'll get a screen asking them for a password if they start into single user mode.
[09:37] <jsgotangco> well in ubuntu, you just reboot the system and when you're in grub you just go into 2nd option of the kernel and you get in automatically as root
[09:38] <jsgotangco> that is in the default install
[09:38] <jsgotangco> then reset your password when necessary
[09:46] <highvoltage> aaah
[09:46] <highvoltage> ok. thanks.
[11:07] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[11:08] <JaneW> hello jsgotangco
[11:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you feeling better? i heard you were ill
[11:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sorry if you got up early for nothing :(
[11:09] <jsgotangco> did yoga cause it? :)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes still a bit fragile (feeling hungover without the pleasure of the fun beforehand)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no that was Tuesday, if anything yoga would probably help
[11:09] <jsgotangco> well if you want some good stuff i got edubuntu running now
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: was a migraine, nit sure what triggers mine, I don't get them often
[11:09] <jsgotangco> kinda slow though
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: my mom and sister get them at least once a month
[11:10] <JaneW> YAY *smile*
[11:10] <JaneW> progress
[11:11] <jsgotangco> wonder if its my machine
[11:12] <jsgotangco> its an old 1.7Ghz celeron
[11:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, i test on a PIII 900 here... doesnt feel slow normally
[11:16] <jsgotangco> hm,
[11:18] <ogra> still burning the nightly iso... lets see if its caused by the recent one, but i doubt it
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ok i'll rsync this iso and burn again
[11:19] <JaneW> OT: I just did a search to see if I am insane, and it turns out I am not the only one who has the rouble with words and nouns in particular in connection with migraines, http://www.migrainepage.com/dcforum/discussion/3452.html
[11:19] <jsgotangco> you insane?
[11:20] <ogra_> my GF just told me she has this too... my impression was just wrong :)
[11:20] <ogra_> so dont fear youre insane :)
[11:21] <jsgotangco> hmm i just installed colony 3 on a separate machine a few minutes ago and now i get an update notification for a ton of new stuff
[11:22] <ogra_> jsgotangco: did you enable universe ?
[11:22] <jsgotangco> no
[11:22] <jsgotangco> it even has dbus
[11:22] <ogra_> there were quite some uploads since the iso was built...
[11:22] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:22] <ogra_> yup... see breezy changes
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hmm i just noticed that yelp is now launchpad enabled
[11:24] <ogra_> all gnome apps should be
[11:25] <ogra_> seb128 patched libgnomeui... all apps that use it are launchpad aware
[11:25] <jsgotangco> some games still aren't but we'll see
[11:26] <jsgotangco> probably old stuff
[11:27] <ogra_> not sure if they got rebuilt with te new libgnomeui yet
[12:02] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:23] <ogra_> damned
[12:23] <ogra_> mdz broke edubuntu
[12:23] <ogra_> GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[12:48] <JaneW> what why?
[05:16] <highvoltage> hello everyone.
[05:16] <highvoltage> how are things?
[05:21] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[05:39] <highvoltage> ok. let's try that again :)
[05:39] <highvoltage> howzit going?
[06:04] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[10:42] <JaneW> hi all
[10:43] <JaneW> mvo just told me that ogra's area has no network atm...
[11:14] <JaneW> *** reminder *** Edubuntu Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes
[12:01] <JaneW> meetint NOW in #u-m
[12:01] <JaneW> meeting even


[06:07] <tylerflint> anyone awake?
[06:08] <tylerflint> I have an executable that doesn't daemonize itself
[06:08] <tylerflint> so I figured I could use start-stop-daemon
[06:09] <tylerflint> however, upstart thinks the daemon is dead when it is quite alive
[06:09] <tylerflint> I'm assuming it's because upstart doesn't know about the pidfile
[06:23] <ion> Why do you want it to daemonize itself?
[06:24] <ion> Pid files are a *very* unreliable way to keep track of processes, Upstart ignores such things.
[06:29] <tylerflint> I see
[06:30] <tylerflint> I only want it to daemonize so that it won't block the upstart process
[06:30] <tylerflint> unless I am misunderstanding how upstart works
[06:31] <ion> It definitely won’t block Upstart.
[06:31] <tylerflint> interesting
[06:32] <ion> “exec program-that-doesnt-daemonize” is the most trivial case of running a service.
[06:32] <tylerflint> wow
[06:32] <tylerflint> I guess I was making this way too complicated
[06:36] <tylerflint> if I use env FOO="bar"
[06:36] <tylerflint> will FOO be accessible by my program?
[06:37] <tylerflint> just as export FOO="bar" in a shell?
[06:48] <ion> yeah
[06:50] <ion> The cookbook has some examples.
[06:51] <tylerflint> thanks
[06:51] <tylerflint> I think I
[06:51] <tylerflint> 've got something that will work
[06:51] <tylerflint> seems really clean


[00:51]  * zmoylan-pi rebuilds second wonkiest pc to replace main pc which barfed when i tried to remove 4gb of old kernels...
[00:51] <penguin42> it barfed during kernel removal?
[00:52] <zmoylan-pi> yup... took 10 hours and then got stuck in a loop trying and failing to remove some
[00:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Oh, I've seen some of that - although not the barf
[00:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Everytime dpkg removes a kernel it triggers the trigger that updates grub to regenerate the list of kernels
[00:53] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Now, because you have zillions of kernels installed that takes ages
[00:54] <zmoylan-pi> after a fsck it booted again but i'm pulling data off it to wipe and go with latest xubuntu
[01:26] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NhVHMEbodI
[01:26] <daftykins> http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php?map=12
[01:26] <daftykins> just wow at the lightning over the Channel right now
[01:29] <penguin42> we're due it tomorrow
[01:32] <acemastr> lightning? in england? (ish)
[01:33] <acemastr> that's rare lol
[01:33] <daftykins> i did see heavy rain predicted for Sunday, so since i've only just kicked off my roof water leak insurance claim now i'll have to pop home and catch it dripping :P
[01:34] <penguin42> acemastr: We do get it a few times a year
[01:39] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points it'll rain fish so you arrive home to an indoor aquariam
[01:41] <penguin42> there was another occurence of that happening in the news the other day
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> i think that was what made it spring to mind... i haven't seen a report in donkeys age
[01:42] <zmoylan-pi> though there was that shark found inland last year i think
[01:44] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: had all those kernel packages made you hit an inode limit? :D
[01:44] <acemastr> we just get aligators crossing the road
[01:44] <acemastr> some guy ran over one on his motorcycle last week
[01:45] <zmoylan-pi> we have an infestation of foxes... :-) https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/866280440570814466/photo/1
[01:52] <penguin42> they are cute though :-)
[08:43] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[16:19] <daftykins> ripping out lath and plaster - things i hope to never do again
[16:53] <DJones> daftykins: Hot, sticky, bitty etc?
[17:02] <daftykins> indeed!
[17:02] <daftykins> black stuff coming out of the nose due to the dust, oy
[17:26] <DJones> Yikes
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> i think when you hit the asbestos it's all done... :-P
[17:42] <daftykins> my Dad thinks i've been lucky not to find any XD
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> it was used _everywhere_ in the 60s...
[17:43] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM7RHrwBQIo
[17:44] <daftykins> that's my progress vid
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> you should be wearing a breathing mask to catch the particles though... cheap at any diy place...
[17:51] <daftykins> yeah, no time for that though
[17:52] <daftykins> all done and we move on :>
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> sez the diy enthusiast coughing up a lung...
[17:55] <daftykins> oh i'm not that at all, i just know how much in the hole i am with the contractor already!
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> that's why they always charge an arm and a leg, they know how bad the internal organs will be... :-P
[17:56] <daftykins> they're making the apprentice do it at £22/hr
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> how much do you charge per hour of i.t. work?
[17:57] <daftykins> originally i was just going to have thermalboard thrown on top of what was there, but i said nah tear it down - and uncovered the roof leak
[17:57] <daftykins> depends how awkward they are ;D
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> well naturally, but how much for custards?
[17:59] <daftykins> £40/hr has been a long standing rate for old clients, up it for new work though
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> ooops theresa may was dragged into the british airways offshoring i.t. row last year... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/24/ba_job_offshoring_gmb_union_hand_delivered_letters/
[21:02]  * penguin42 would like to know what actually went wrong before blaming them for offshoring it
[21:03] <penguin42> but saying 'the root cause was a power supply issue' - people do have this thing where they get reliant on one data centre; you should always assume data centres will fail
[21:07] <diddledan> I'm wondering if it's related to the capita datacentre failure
[21:07] <diddledan> an entire DC went offline earlier in the week
[21:08] <daftykins> British Airways didn't seem to do well today, claiming a PSU took down worldwide operations!?
[21:08] <penguin42> daftykins: I think it's more claiming they lost power as opposed to a PSU
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> well it was like the storm problem in new york were they had the diesel generators for backup on a high story and had to hand cart the diesel fuel for a few days up umpteen flights of stairs... you only find the problems with your system when it really goes wrong
[21:10] <zmoylan-pi> who knew the elevators would stop when the power went?!
[21:10] <daftykins> could be, i kinda skipped past the heading just now reading some news
[21:48] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh or the Japanese Nuclear site at Fukushima where the new electric gates wouldn't allow them to get to the fire engines
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's really complicated... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7WHM2rchJ0
[22:05] <penguin42> damn that's neat
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> in our rush to replace things with new and shiny we abandon old working practical tech
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> but you wouldn't want it were kids might try and play on it... but i reckon that's frowned upon at a nuclear plant anyway... :-P
[23:02] <DM8_> Hello. I wonder if anyone can assist. When I connect to my VPN using the network manager, the DNS lookups no longer work. /etc/resolv.conf specifies <IP_ADDRESS> as nameserver which is dnsmasq service. However, I need to manually add a nameserver of <IP_ADDRESS> which is my router before my VPN traffic will flow.
[23:09] <acemastr`> might as well use google's
[23:10] <acemastr`> not entirely sure what the question is though lol


[19:23] <bdmurray> is anybody in a position to easily recreate bug 707101?
[19:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707101 in sudo (Ubuntu) "file .sudo_as_admin_successful is not created on natty (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707101
[19:24] <charlie-tca> I have ubuntu natty ready to try it
[19:25] <charlie-tca> It is valid
[19:25] <charlie-tca> You see the message everytime you open terminal
[19:25] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: great thanks!
[19:26] <charlie-tca> You are welcome


[08:13] <mup> PR snapd#12450 closed: tests: update dependencies to fix opensuse tumbleweed update process <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12450>
[08:48] <mup> PR snapd#12451 opened: packaging/fedora: sync with downstream packaging <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12451>
[08:48] <mup> PR snapd#12452 opened: packaging/opensuse: sync with openSUSE packaging <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12452>
[09:18] <mup> PR snapd#12448 closed: snapcraft.yaml: Limit the number of processors <Created by valentindavid> <Closed by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12448>
[10:29] <mup> PR snapd#12453 opened: spread, tests: add Fedora 37, drop Fedora 35 <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12453>
[14:09] <mup> PR snapd#12449 closed: snap/quota,wrappers: support inheritting journal quota for service sub-groups <quota> <Pulse> <need-architecture-review> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12449>
[18:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#4005 opened: Testing: Lint and test using Tox <Created by lengau> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4005>
[19:23] <mup> PR snapcraft#4006 opened: docs: update HACKING.md to recurse submodules <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4006>