 I don't think anyone thought that throug
[04:32] <snap-l> h
[04:34] <snap-l> Whomever made some of the more overriding user interface decisions is a perverse person
[04:34] <snap-l> There's things that just don't make any damn sense
[13:34] <snap-l> Anyone having trouble with gwibber under Natty?
[13:35] <wolfger> Nope. A simple "sudo apt-get install choqok" fixed it. :-)
[13:37] <rick_h__> lol
[13:37] <rick_h__> what is this gwibber thing?
[13:39] <brousch> i can't read choqok without grinning like a schoolboy
[13:39] <wolfger> can you be more specific about your trouble? I opened a ticket at one point for not being able to sign up to identica until after I signed up to twitter
[13:39] <wolfger> otherwise, it worked as well as Gwibber ever did.
[13:39] <rick_h__> I think it's just called "desktopcouch fail!"
[13:51] <rick_h__> and today is lose faith in humanity day, it has so been declared
[13:51] <rick_h__> widox: _stink_ snap-l n0p jcastro 7pm edition of CHC tonight
[13:51] <wolfger> damn. I didn't know i was supposed to hold onto it until today
[13:52] <rick_h__> sorry, n0p is probably off to AA CHC now, need to take him off the list
[13:54] <snap-l> I wolfger Blergh
[13:54] <widox> rick_h__: w00t, planning on it
[13:54] <snap-l> Wow, I think I need more coffee
[13:54] <snap-l> rick_h__: PLanning on being there
[13:55] <snap-l> Jim MacQuillan might be there as well
[13:55] <rick_h__> awesome
[13:55] <snap-l> Blazeix: CHC tonight! 7pm edition
[13:55] <rick_h__> oops, knew I was going to miss someone
[13:56] <snap-l> I think the install that I did horked the USB key
[13:56] <snap-l> couldn't keep up with the write traffic
[13:56] <rick_h__> http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/27/apple-finally-responds-to-location-data-tracking-kerfuffle/
[13:56] <snap-l> and once it got an error, bam
[13:56]  * wolfger wonders what langauge snap-l was speaking there...
[13:56] <rick_h__> yea, it's where you find out there are differences in USB sticks
[13:56] <snap-l> I'm installing to a SD card now
[13:56] <snap-l> We'll see if that works any better.
[13:57] <brousch> ahcrap. i forgot to post the west mi natty party
[13:57] <snap-l> brousch: Too late. You're coming to PEnguicon now
[13:57] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, I need the details of what time I need there
[13:57] <rick_h__> so I can get the baby sitter here on time
[13:57] <rick_h__> officially 7pm, should I be heading down early?
[13:57] <snap-l> Head down a little early
[13:58] <snap-l> enough to get through registration and all
[13:58] <brousch> now i've got parents coming up on friday and a funeral on saturday. i couldn't make pcon even if it wasn't too scary
[13:58] <snap-l> brousch: Bring parents
[13:59] <snap-l> That's when you find out all sorts of interesting about them. ;)
[13:59] <snap-l> "I have one just like that at home"
[14:05] <wolfger> I don't think brousch could handle knowing that his parents are furries XD
[14:06] <snap-l> wolfger: I don't think any of us could
[14:06] <wolfger> wusses, the lot of you
[14:06] <snap-l> and if you can, THAT'S GREAT. Please keep it to yourself. :)
[14:07] <tjagoda> If I send this song along with my request for a firewall which can understand IPv6, nobody can refuse me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0
[14:07]  * wolfger keeps it to himself, at snap-l's request
[14:08]  * snap-l makes a quick mental note not to give wolfger my parent's phone number.
[14:10] <rick_h__> krondor: CHC long 7pm edition tonight fyi
[14:10] <brousch> wtf. the venue form for the loco meeting wants the latitude and longitude of the location
[14:11] <tjagoda> Do you not navigate via sextent?
[14:11] <tjagoda> =P
[14:11] <krondor> rick_h__:  might be doable, Emily kept me away from the android meetup till late (9 pm) because she got stuck in the OR so I have some guilt to leverage
[14:11] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, that form is a little wonky
[14:12] <snap-l> And the meeting form that requires your meeting in UTC traps me up a lot
[14:13] <brousch> it asked for the time zone of the meeting
[14:15] <rick_h__> krondor: cool, well uncool, but also cool
[14:20] <_stink_> wow, the leading story on both Marketplace Money *and* the BBC World News Hour on NPR this morning was the Sony data breach
[14:21] <rick_h__> thank goodness
[14:21] <rick_h__> I was pissed at the TNT podcast, they really dropped the ball on it
[14:22] <tjagoda> Does anybody else consider Sony an evil corporation, or is that just me?
[14:22] <rick_h__> I've always thought they were stupid, not sure on evikl
[14:23] <rick_h__> memorystick seems stupid vs evil
[14:23] <rick_h__> however, just about any large corporation gets evil points, so I guess
[14:23] <brousch> sony is on my evil list. has been since the rootkit thing
[14:24] <rick_h__> yea, that was a big stupid evil
[14:24] <tjagoda> They're also massively proprietary
[14:26] <krondor> sony == evil to me.  ps3 linux retraction, hardware issues and proprietary for proprietary's sake formats, the death of sega (not that sega didn't help them at it)
[14:27] <rick_h__> I do feel bad for those sysadmins "You're going to be responsible for a system with 70million people worth of personal info"
[14:27] <jjesse> isn't the bigger proble mthe information was stored in a way that could be taken out?  shouldn't they have encrypted it somehow?
[14:28] <krondor> sucks when execs at your company stirs the ire of hacker groups and then you're left to pick up the fallout.
[14:28] <rick_h__> yea, I wish there were more tech details
[14:28] <rick_h__> I mean, the gawker thing was just morons
[14:28] <rick_h__> but there's due diligence and things that go beyond that
[14:28] <rick_h__> encrypting every bit of data you possess isn't going to be something people do
[14:29] <krondor> I can see the PSN designers saying; " I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
[14:29] <krondor> Mr. Bolton that is not a trivial detail
[14:29] <rick_h__> heh
[14:29] <rick_h__> that's what I go thinking, I don't think I could be in a job with that much data/responsibility
[14:29] <rick_h__> I'd never be able to say it was hacker-proof
[14:30] <wolfger> rick_h__: and let's not forget, there's no reason to encrypt your data unless you have something to hide.... terrorist!
[14:30] <rick_h__> I'm wondering though if they'll start resetting passwords on other sites like they did the gawker hack
[14:30] <jjesse> wolfger wasn't that what the dude from google said?
[14:30] <rick_h__> I mean, 70million?
[14:30] <rick_h__> but I guess the db isn't public yet so they won't can't
[14:31] <rick_h__> just feels like there was more activity on the gawker case but this is so much larger with so much more data yet taken more lightly
[14:31] <wolfger> jjesse: I have no idea who said it, but it's been said, and probably by many people.
[14:32] <rick_h__> yea, not sure any one person can take credit for that, think it goes back just a few centuries or so
[14:40] <tjagoda> Feel sorry for all those PS3 fans though
[14:40] <tjagoda> Little Jimmy and his stolen identity
[15:04] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://www.mediabistro.com/ebooknewser/i-hope-you-dont-have-a-borders-rewards-card_b9719
[15:04] <rick_h__> did I mention today is "lose all faith in humanity" day?
[15:05] <dvader> rick_h__: I find your lack of faith disturbing
[15:06] <tjagoda> I find his lack of faith justified
[15:06] <tjagoda> =(
[15:15] <snap-l> rick_h__: Damn, you mean I didn't earn all of those free drinks? :)
[15:22] <tjagoda> I miss Linux right now
[15:22] <tjagoda> where error logs actually record errors instead of cryptic binaries
[15:22] <wolfger> heheheh
[15:22]  * tjagoda is downloading windows SDK to open a .dmp
[15:22] <tjagoda> why do they even call it an error log in windows?
[15:23] <tjagoda> More like a log of files which may or may not have been generated by errors
[15:23] <tjagoda> =P
[15:23] <wolfger> OMG. Minecraft releasing source code? This is horrible.
[15:23] <tjagoda> ..why?
[15:23] <wolfger> volunteer work on serious linux stuff is going to plummet :-p
[15:23] <jjesse> shouldn't that be good then?
[15:23] <tjagoda> xD
[15:24] <wolfger> I do not understand the obsession people have with Minecraft, but I understand the obsession exists
[15:24] <jjesse> next up an announcement from all distros that they will now be pushing release dates back
[15:24] <tjagoda> I don't want to try it
[15:24] <tjagoda> I'm addicted to enough media/games as it is
[15:25] <wolfger> I think I will make it one of my Penguicon goals to get Eve running under WINE, so I can quit using Win7 (as soon as they fix my wifi issue)
[15:26] <wolfger> which I've been thinking is a driver problem, since I have to rmmod and modprobe to recover, but somebody now says is actually a network-manager issue???
[15:26] <tjagoda> I'm making it one of my Penguicon goals to spend as much time in the computer lounge/not working as is possible
[15:27] <wolfger> but if it's an NM issue, I would expect it to impact all wifi, not just a particular model of Realtek
[15:27] <wolfger> what was rick_h__ saying about faith? :-p
[15:42] <tjagoda> lol
[15:44] <snap-l> I don't remember what rick_h__ said about faith, but I know what George said about faith
[15:44] <snap-l> "I gotta have faith"
[15:44] <snap-l> "I gotta have faith"
[15:44] <snap-l> "I gotta have faith-a a faith-afaithafaith."
[15:44] <greg-g> snap-l: https://identi.ca/conversation/69754862 just fyi
[15:45] <brousch> snap-l: I prefer Limp Bizkit's version
[15:45] <greg-g> and dang fred durst for being in my head now
[15:45] <greg-g> 3 dollar bill, ya'll!
[15:45] <snap-l> greg-g: Awesome
[15:45] <snap-l> I was hoping for some more moderation
[15:46] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, because I checked today, another dubious account joined, flagged and blocked
[15:46] <snap-l> greg-g: Thanks for staying on top of that
[15:46] <greg-g> but I would much rather admin it like I do mailman mailing lists
[15:47] <snap-l> I thought that we could get by with just flagging the accounts, but they don't seem to go anywhere
[15:47] <greg-g> snap-l: it took me about 30 minutes of flagging/blocking constantly last night. I was luckily in the mood for mostly brain dead work before bed
[15:47]  * greg-g nods
[15:49]  * snap-l reinstalled natty on a SD card. Seems to be working better
[15:49] <snap-l> also, program note: none of the laptops that I own (save for the Netbook) can boot from a SD card.
[15:50] <snap-l> So I have this USB dongle hanging off of the machine
[15:50] <snap-l> unfortunately, it's also the largest card that I own (8GB)
[15:50] <greg-g> huh
[15:50]  * snap-l is going to use some of his internet money and pick up some more 8GB cards. ;)
[15:51] <greg-g> bitcoin?
[15:51] <snap-l> possibly even a 16GB if they're not crazy
[15:51] <snap-l> greg-g: Um, not exactly
[15:51] <greg-g> you said internet money
[15:51] <snap-l> That's me, pretending to be a pimp.
[15:51] <brousch> envy me. i will be using python and COM to extract data from autodesk inventor
[15:52] <snap-l> brousch: I don't envy you.
[15:52] <brousch> better than VBA
[15:52] <snap-l> Well, yes
[15:53] <snap-l> But that's like saying that you're ruling because you got bit by a 3 year old instead of stung by a scorpion
[15:55] <snap-l> IN which case, yeah, you're ballin'
[16:04] <brousch> I'm callin in the big guns before i get into this one too much, michipug
[16:08] <snap-l> ?
[16:09] <brousch> tips on using python and com
[16:09] <rick_h__> brousch: don't
[16:09] <rick_h__> email away your resume
[16:10] <brousch> bah, come on
[16:10] <snap-l> COM, seriously?
[16:11] <brousch> i have a book about the windows extensions, but it's like 10 years old
[16:11] <brousch> snap-l: that's what they give me
[16:11] <snap-l> Right, COM isn't used anymore
[16:11] <brousch> i thought they had a .net api for it, but nope
[16:12] <snap-l> Wow, way to keep up with the times, Autodesk
[16:13] <brousch> 5 DVDs to install the program and they can't include a .net api
[16:13] <snap-l> Do they still make you keep the boxes for all of the software?
[16:13] <brousch> yes
[16:13] <snap-l> Man, they're idiots.
[16:28] <rick_h__> man, if I have to explain how cookies work one more time I'm going to explode
[16:28] <rick_h__> "it's not that hard...no really...it's not"
[16:30] <wolfger> You put the dough in the oven, let them bake, when they come out let them cool, then eat them.
[16:31] <brousch> i was gonna say just eat the dough, but i guess at that point it's not technically c ookie
[16:33] <Blazeix> Cookies are a super-secure medium that is unhackable. You can store all sorts of information in them and not worry at all.
[16:33] <brousch> thanks Blazeix!
[16:33]  * brousch starts moving his password storage to cookies
[16:36] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: http://illruminations.com/2011/04/27/ubuntu-and-amateur-radio-for-ubuntu-open-week/
[16:37] <ColonelPanic001> this is awesome, thanks
[16:37] <greg-g> just doing my job
[16:38] <ColonelPanic001> I would like a job posting links in IRC, plz.   I'd like to see my representative in the IRC Chatter's Union
[16:40]  * greg-g dones another hat
[16:40] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: hello, how may I help you?
[16:40]  * ColonelPanic001 cues Rod Serling
[16:40] <ColonelPanic001> "The Colonel doesn't realize that he's just taken a job... in the Twilight Zone"
[16:41] <ColonelPanic001> "A place where greg-g is every job description in the company"
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> 1600 UTC is what, 1200 here? I can never remember if we're -4UTC or -5
[16:42] <rick_h__> http://everytimezone.com/
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> 4
[16:42] <rick_h__> topic that greg-g :P
[16:43] <ColonelPanic001> that is a handy website.
[16:46] <greg-g> ok, that should be good
[16:46] <greg-g> rick_h__: done
[16:47]  * greg-g takes off his channel op hat and puts the Union Representative hat back on
[16:49] <snap-l> I just compared my Java development skills to tapdancing on broken glass skills in an e-mail
[16:49] <snap-l> ie( a bloody mess)
[16:50] <greg-g> barefoot tapdancing?
[16:50] <snap-l> bah, yes.
[16:52] <snap-l> Also love how I'm the family paypal account
[16:52] <snap-l> bro-in-law isn't terribly computer literate, so he calls me up to order dirt-bike parts
[16:52] <snap-l> of course, they get shipped to the house
[16:52] <snap-l> So we're shipping and receving. ;)
[16:53] <brousch> geez
[16:53] <snap-l> 's OK
[16:53] <snap-l> he's the family mechanic
[16:54] <snap-l> Also loved the expression on the mailman's face when he brought up the frame that my bro-in-law bought
[16:54] <snap-l> considering the place that shipped it didn't box it up
[17:00] <rick_h__> greg-g: lol, just kidding
[17:13] <greg-g> rick_h__: :)
[17:39] <rick_h__> http://www.androidcentral.com/official-google-docs-android-app-here
[17:39] <rick_h__> android users, hotness ^^
[17:48] <snap-l> rick_h__: Oh that's awesome.
[18:03] <wolfger> F. T. W!
[18:04] <wolfger> Now I will uninstall the crap Samsung/AT&T loaded on my phone
[18:04] <brousch> rick_h__: you are making my pants tight
[18:05] <rick_h__> I tend to do that, can't help it...sorry :/
[18:06] <rick_h__> http://blog.delicious.com/
[18:06] <rick_h__> and I don't care any more yay!
[18:07] <wolfger> rick_h__: you are the source of all hotness
[18:07] <brousch> greg-g: thanks for the RT
[18:11] <brousch> rick_h__: even if delicious survives, it's always good to have an open source alternative to a proprietary platform
[18:12] <greg-g> brousch: np! (I'm also trying to use the !UbuntuMI/!MichiganLoCo/!UbuntuMichigan identi.ca group more)
[18:12] <greg-g> rick_h__: huh (re: delicious) that's interesting
[18:12] <greg-g> rick_h__: but, as brousch said, I'm still on the bookie bandwagon ;)
[18:12] <brousch> i can't use it with hootsuite, so i pretty much ignore identica
[18:13] <greg-g> brousch: then I'll be sure to retweet/dent your stuff there
[18:13] <brousch> heh
[18:13] <brousch> what's the official twitter hashtag for us?
[18:14] <brousch> #UbuntuMichigan?
[18:14] <greg-g> "official"?
[18:15] <greg-g> well, the LoCo Directory searches for "ubuntumi" but I think only for identi.ca (file a feature request!)
[18:15] <brousch> i'll use #ubuntumi then
[18:16] <greg-g> rick_h__: we need a bookie twitter account
[18:16] <greg-g> looks like @bookie is parked ("protected" user with no tweets or contacts)
[18:20] <wolfger> brousch: I stopped ignoring Identica, only to find that most other people had started ignoring Identica while i was busy ignoring it.  I've never had a problem with multiple accounts on Tweetdeck before.
[18:33] <brousch> rick_h__: hootsuite ftw
[18:33] <rick_h__> oh, yea I got it
[18:33] <rick_h__> had to log out of the main account ont he website
[18:37] <rick_h__> hah! from the FAQ: Is AVOS going to build a Delicious extension that is compatible with Firefox 4.0?
[18:37] <rick_h__> boom, we've already got one of those thanks to _stink_!
[18:40] <brousch> how about an ie extension? get jrwren on that
[18:41] <rick_h__> hah, wife asked me for that and I told her it would never happen
[18:41] <rick_h__> because at work they only have IE6...
[18:44] <Blazeix> hm, would it be possible to build a bookmarklet? That way it would work in all browsers.
[18:45] <Blazeix> assuming IE supports bookmarklets, which may be a large assumption.
[18:48] <rick_h__> yea, I think it's possible but I've not done it since I never have a bookmark folder/view open to use it
[18:48] <rick_h__> I looked into that at the start until I found the Chrome extension to hack
[18:48] <rick_h__> and you kind of need the webui view for that
[18:48] <rick_h__> or a build a bookmarklet ui so that it gets your api key embedded
[18:49] <Blazeix> right, it'd have to be one of those things that's generated by your bookie instance
[18:49] <rick_h__> yea
[18:56] <brousch> snap-l: don't you use Gallery? http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Productivity-Sauce/Manage-Your-Photo-Gallery-from-Android-Using-ReGalAndroid
[19:03] <snap-l> I used to use Gallery
[19:03] <snap-l> It's a pain in the ass, though
[19:04] <rick_h__> +1
[19:04] <rick_h__> think wordpress is a pita...ugh
[19:05] <snap-l> Apparently today is windy day.
[19:05] <rick_h__> only today? been windy a lot lately
[19:06] <snap-l> Well, it's really windy. :)
[19:07] <snap-l> Ugh... spent some $$ on getting a sensor and a shield for the Arduino (The Phidget Electronic Brick interface)
[19:07] <snap-l> only to find that the cable isn't the right type (Sharp uses a different 3 pin cable)
[19:08] <snap-l> On the plus side, I found a place that still has the Electronic Brick explorer kits, so I just ordered one of those.
[19:14] <snap-l> Oh that's brilliant.
[19:15] <snap-l> Try this with Compiz: Open Expose mode
[19:15] <snap-l> click on the background (no windows)
[19:15] <snap-l> everything disappears.
[19:15] <snap-l> IT's rather disconcerting and cool at the same time.
[19:19] <brousch> jcastro: I'm going to make a printed hand-out of your Unity Keyboard Shortcuts and Mouse Tricks for my demo tomorrow, unless you have one already prepared
[19:19] <jcastro> I do not
[19:19] <jcastro> someone made wallpapers
[19:19] <jcastro> brousch: there's a print thing
[19:19] <jcastro> one sec
[19:21] <jcastro> brousch: http://www.stackprinter.com/
[19:21] <jcastro> select ask ubuntu
[19:22] <jcastro> and the question is 28086
[19:22] <jcastro> that will gen a nice printable format for you
[19:22] <greg-g> whoa, neat
[19:23] <brousch> ok, thanks
[19:26] <brousch> damnit, does chrome not have "print selection"?
[19:26] <snap-l> nice!
[19:26] <snap-l> I don't htink so
[19:27] <brousch> barbaric
[19:27] <snap-l> Of course that also fits into the "never tried it, nor needed it" category.
[19:27] <rick_h__> printing? why would we do that?
[19:28] <Blazeix> brousch: my version of chrome seems to have it
[19:28] <Blazeix> select something -> print -> selection
[19:29] <Blazeix> oh, that might tie into window chrome, which I'm on right now.
[19:29] <Blazeix> s/window/Windows/
[19:29] <rick_h__> hmm, yea not here in my linux chrome
[19:29] <rick_h__> and I'm on dev
[19:29] <greg-g> on Fx4 in Ubuntu the option to select "selection" is in the print dialog
[19:29] <rick_h__> right FF has it, but not chrome on linux it looks like
[19:29]  * greg-g hugs Fx4
[19:35] <rick_h__> me and FF need some time apart
[19:35] <rick_h__> the frustration with working on the bookie extension has strained our relationship
[19:35] <_stink_> heh
[19:35] <rick_h__> _stink_: I did find a perfect way to help with the blanking issue though
[19:35] <rick_h__> lots of alerts vs logs
[19:35] <rick_h__> alerts stop and you can read the logs
[19:36] <rick_h__> https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-find-what-you-want/
[19:36] <rick_h__> speaking of FF, would love this
[19:37] <rick_h__> one bar to rule them all is the only way to go
[19:37] <brousch> blah, i'll make a doc out of the parts i need
[19:59] <brousch> look good? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu%2011.04%20Keyboard%20Shortcuts%20and%20Mouse%20Tricks.pdf
[20:03] <_stink_> brousch: maybe under Window Management make each line consistently show Operation - way to do it.  like the 4th and 5th are switched
[20:03] <_stink_> then bold the Operation so it's easy to find
[20:03] <_stink_> just a thought
[20:09] <snap-l> Also use more comic sans
[20:09] <_stink_> yes
[20:10] <brousch> i should download the ubuntu fonts
[20:12] <Blazeix> for Alt+F1 there's a typo, should be "launches _an_ application"
[20:18] <brousch> man, you guys are anal ;)
[20:18] <Blazeix> how nitpicky should I get? Page 2, Super+S: "let's" should be "lets" :)
[20:18] <snap-l> Blazeix: You've never used the 'and' application?
[20:19] <snap-l> And is awesome
[20:19] <Blazeix> I've used AndLinux :)
[20:19]  * snap-l makes a note to name his next application "and"
[20:19] <Blazeix> I hear And is almost as awesome as Ant, which snap-l loves
[20:19] <snap-l> Blazeix: You bet your ass I love Ant
[20:19] <brousch> have to these back upstream to jcastro so he can fix the source
[20:20] <jcastro> just submit an edit to it
[20:20] <snap-l> Blazeix: Best thing Java could have done; take the understandability of make and add XML
[20:21] <snap-l> like adding reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger
[20:22]  * snap-l waits for someone ro tell him they add reeses peanut butter cups to a hamburger in the south
[20:24] <brousch> jcastro: oh, yeah, forgot i have some powers
[20:25] <jcastro> anyone can submit an edit
[20:25] <brousch> done
[20:27] <Blazeix> brousch and I made the same edits at the same time :)
[20:27] <Blazeix> surprisingly, it managed to merge them both, I think.
[20:27] <jcastro> yeah
[20:27] <jcastro> there are tons of places you can submit edits
[20:27] <jcastro> you get +2 for each one!
[20:28] <brousch> how many - is it when i imply someone is an idgit?
[20:28] <snap-l> brousch: Depends if anyone concurs. ;)
[20:31] <brousch> If anyone else wants the odt, you can get it here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Ubuntu_11.04_Keyboard_Shortcuts_and_Mouse_Tricks.odt
[20:35] <brousch> added it to the thread. now i don't feel like a total leech
[21:50] <snap-l> Delicious Agony is playing "Presto" by Rush (the song)
[21:51] <snap-l> and while it's not my favorite Rush song, it's still pretty damn good
[21:51] <snap-l> jcastro: ^
[22:16] <fdvalero> one day left
[22:19] <snap-l> Speaking of which, we need some folks to commit to the Natty panel. :)
[22:19] <snap-l> Or I'll go drafting. :)
[22:21] <fdvalero> you talking about gnome 3
[22:26] <snap-l> Unity, Natty
[22:26] <snap-l> Ubuntu 11.04
[22:26] <snap-l> That sort of thing
[22:27] <snap-l> fdvalero: Have you been using Ubuntu 11.04 yet?
[22:30] <fdvalero> not, I'm using Lucid
[22:30] <fdvalero> but I have gnome-shell, is same as gnome 3
[22:30] <fdvalero> ok, go to college dude