[00:03] <murthy> what will happen if I uninstall ureadahead?
[00:04] <murthy> seems I can remove it without removing the entire installation
[02:19] <vbgunz> Kubuntu 14.10 update-grub does not find Windows 7 or another Kubuntu 15.04 installation. This used to be simple, now it feels impossible. Both Windows 7 and the Kubuntu 15.04 installations are working and I can boot them up but grub does not find them, any clues?
[05:36] <mat619> Hi there, need your help: Due to suddenly terrible frame rates in many games over the last few weeks I decided yesterday to switch from fglrx-updates to radeon, just to try out which games work well and which don't. Used the standard driver selection tool (not sure what it's called on an english Kubuntu 15.04 install) to switch to radeon, rebooted, login dialog came up, logged in - black screen with cursor and only one of my last ru
[05:38] <mat619> First bootup with radeon was terribly slow (over 5 minutes, compared to 30 s before) by the way. OK, reboot - shutdown takes another 5 minutes. Next time it comes up X fails to start altogether, log complains about no screens now. OK, I know that drill, so "sudo Xorg -configure" it is - or so I thought: X just segfaults at 0x0, all the time
[05:39] <mat619> So... what to do now?
[05:45] <amichair> is plasma 5.3.2 available on 15.04?
[06:41] <amichair> does kubuntu still support backpots of kde point releases (e.g. plasma 5.3.2 on 15.04)?
[06:51] <hateball> amichair: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5.3
[06:53] <amichair> hateball: I don't see any mention of 5.3.2. That page looks a bit old.
[07:53] <arnold> hi all
[08:02] <valorie> amichair: yes, but they have been slow to get backported
[08:02] <valorie> most work is going into getting wily ready
[08:02] <valorie> more help packaging is always welcome
[08:03] <amichair> valorie: ok, as long as backports are not abandoned :-)
[08:04] <valorie> no, sgclark was working on them last I heard
[08:04] <amichair> but it was very nice when they used to backport kde point releases within a day or two
[08:04] <valorie> right, we need more help
[08:04] <amichair> don't we all ;-)
[08:04] <valorie> it's been a busy spring and summer
[08:04] <valorie> yup
[08:26] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:04] <Nilli> Is 14.04 stable enough to install for someone who won't be able to update or fix problems themselves? I can only help them maybe once or twice a year.
[11:07] <lordievader> If you enable automatic updates sure.
[11:08] <Nilli> Alright.
[13:34] <alvin> Is "Google Hangouts" supposed to be working? (System Settings -> Online Accounts) I can't really follow. Facebook stopped supporting normal chat, but I don't know about Google.
[13:39] <ahoneybun> alvin: it works, just add you Google account under Online Accounts
[13:40] <alvin> Keeps crashing here
[13:40] <ahoneybun> with KDE Telepathy?
[13:41] <alvin> Yes, but it's goog to know that it should work :-)
[13:41] <alvin> *good
[13:41] <ahoneybun> alvin: don't forget to get the good updates with the backport PPA :)
[13:41] <alvin> I have those
[13:41] <ahoneybun> ok
[13:42] <alvin> Wouldn't want to use Kubuntu without the official unoficcial backports.
[13:42] <ahoneybun> get the latest software, yep
[14:43] <murthy> Haudegen: hi
[14:45] <diego___> Hello, I'm looking for help to fix my desktop and panels.
[14:45] <diego___> I believe this has to do with plasma application, but I'm not sure.
[14:45] <diego___> The problem is that the desktop went black and the taskbar in the bottom crashed;
[14:45] <diego___> it's not there and can't be invoked with shortcuts.
[14:45] <diego___> Thanks.
[14:46] <murthy> diego___: hi
[14:49] <diego___> murthy: Hi, I should have asked first if I'm in the right place?
[14:51] <murthy> diego___: ya, I will help you
[14:52] <murthy> diego___: are you able to open the task manager?
[14:53] <murthy> diego___: do you know the keyboard shorcut to do that?
[14:53] <diego___> I have a shortcut for System Activity.  Is that teh same one?
[14:54] <diego___> murthy: I also have one with F2, I think it's the KRunner.
[14:54] <murthy> diego___: ya open system activity
[14:55] <murthy> diego___: can you see a process named plasmashell running?
[14:55] <diego___> No.
[14:55] <murthy> diego___: ok that the issue
[14:55] <diego___> murthy: There's kcmshell5
[14:56] <murthy> diego___: open the krunner and type plasmashell and press enter
[14:56] <murthy> diego___: are you new to linux ?
[14:57] <diego___> Not really.  But I haven't really had a formal instruction on the basics.
[14:58] <diego___> So I just get around as I can.
[14:58] <murthy> diego___: me too
[14:58] <diego___> 4 years in ubuntu, and 1 with Kubuntu
[14:58] <murthy> diego___: nice
[14:59] <murthy> diego___: did you do what I said now?
[14:59] <diego___> Oh, right
[14:59] <diego___> That was it.
[15:00] <diego___> It's an easy fix, but still get this bug often.  I'll file a bug.
[15:00] <diego___> I mean report.
[15:02] <diego___> Thanks.
[15:06] <murthy> diego___: when does this happen?
[15:08] <diego___> murthy:  I've tried to distinguish, but can't really point to it.  The closest I get is when I change the desktops too quickly.
[15:08] <murthy> diego___: do you have a graphics card?
[15:09] <diego___> murthy:  Sometimes I get a crash notification which allows me to restart it right then.
[15:09] <diego___> But sometimes I don't so before today I was restarting the computer each time.
[15:10] <diego___> murthy: I'm not sure.  I don't think so.
[15:10] <murthy> diego___: using a laptop?
[15:10] <diego___> murthy: yeah
[15:12] <murthy> diego___: have you installed the binary drivers?
[15:12] <diego___> murthy: no, I don't recall that.
[15:14] <diego___> murthy: I actually don't know much about such topics, even though I've seen it mentioned often.
[15:15] <murthy> diego___: there are two types of drivers for a graphics card
[15:16] <murthy> diego___: one is open source which is given by linux
[15:16] <murthy> diego___: the other is the binary one which is given by the graphics card company
[15:17] <murthy> diego___: do you like to see if the driver given by the graphics card company is installed?
[15:18] <murthy> diego___: Some times installing the driver given by the company solves the problem of plasma crashing
[15:18] <diego___> murthy: I'd appreciate it.
[15:19] <murthy> diego___: open the kickoff menu aka the start menu and search driver manager. open it
[15:19] <Haudegen> murthy: I searched for files owned by root using: find $HOME -user root
[15:19] <Haudegen> murthy: There is nothing Plasma related.
[15:20] <murthy> Haudegen: so there are some files which are not yours?
[15:21] <Haudegen> murthy: There are no alien files.  Everything is quite reasonable.
[15:21] <diego___> murthy: I get a box:  Using Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs from intel-microcode.
[15:21] <diego___> murthy: I have a lenovo ideapad.
[15:21] <Haudegen> murthy: I'll look at some other hosts in the evening.
[15:22] <murthy> Haudegen: what about your graphics card driver?
[15:22] <murthy> diego___: only one is shown?
[15:23] <diego___> murthy: yup.  It has a checkbox.
[15:23] <Haudegen> murthy: AMD open source driver on my current machine.  But I have the same issues on Nvidia graphics and Intel.
[15:23] <murthy> Haudegen: all using the open source driver?
[15:24] <Haudegen> murthy: Nvidia proprietary driver.
[15:24] <murthy> Haudegen: ah
[15:24] <murthy> Haudegen: In that case it must be a bug in plasma
[15:24] <Haudegen> murthy: The crashes are somehow related to the use of Activities.
[15:24] <murthy> Haudegen: yes
[15:24] <murthy> Haudegen: thats a known atleast to me
[15:24] <Haudegen> murthy: I use them a lot.  When I switch activities and desktops, Plasma likes to crash.
[15:25] <murthy> Haudegen: kactivitymanager segfaults
[15:25] <Haudegen> murthy: And pulls down plasma?
[15:25] <murthy> Haudegen: very rare occasions i guess
[15:26] <Haudegen> murthy: Activities are the reason why I can't change to another Window manager while waiting for Plasma 5 to stabilize.  That's a bummer. :)
[15:26] <murthy> Haudegen: there is a file called libqt5sql.so. that is causing kactivitymanger to segfault
[15:26] <Haudegen> murthy: Will this be fixed in 5.3.2?
[15:26] <murthy> Haudegen: seems diego___ is facing the similar problem
[15:27] <murthy> Haudegen: may be. I am not sure. I have to check the change log
[15:27] <Haudegen> murthy: I have the same issues on six very different machines.  Desktops, laptops, cheap, expensive, ...
[15:28] <Haudegen> murthy: It got a *lot* better with 5.3.1.  5.3.0 sometimes crashed with every single mouse click. :)
[15:28] <murthy> Haudegen: I am facing even more of a problem. for me shutdown takes more thann 3 mins. we have to be patient. the bugs will be fixed soon
[15:29] <diego___> murthy: Haudegen   I only use the desktops, but not activities.  I can look at it, if you don't mind guiding me.
[15:29] <Haudegen> murthy: Yeah, the Plasma guys will sort it out.  But I'll stay on LTS even on desktops in the future.  That's for sure.
[15:31] <murthy> diego___: no you said plasma crashes when you switch desktop right? Haudegen's plasma crashes when he switches activity, something might be common here
[15:31] <Haudegen> diego___: Just configure some activities and change desktops and activities.  It doesn't matter if you use the mouse or the keyboard to do the switching.  It's somewhat unpredictable but the crashes will happen eventually.
[15:32] <murthy> Haudegen: Its upto your requirements. If you own multiple computers, its better to have one LTS or debian stable
[15:34] <Haudegen> murthy: That's correct.  But when the transition from KDE 3 to 4 happened, the newer KDE versions where a lot better, so I started using non-LTE + backports.  This combination was even more stable then LTS for desktop applications.
[15:34] <Haudegen> murthy: I started the bad habit back then.
[15:35] <murthy> Haudegen: ya, It was very well known that plasma5 frameworks 5 ... all are very new, so it is bound to bugs. you better have a stable install by side
[15:36] <diego___> murthy: Haudegen: Yes, for me it's only desktops since I don't use the activities.  I created one to see if it happens more.
[15:36] <Haudegen> murthy: Yes.  But when 14.10 came out, I didn't think about plasma 5.  I should have stayed on 14.04.
[15:37] <murthy> diego___: Haudegen wait for some time, 5.3.2 is being backported to 15.04. update to it when it is available to see if this solves the issue, else we will file a bug
[15:39] <diego___> murthy:  What about the drivers?  Would it be helpful for me to investigate and install proprietary drivers?
[15:40] <Haudegen> Haudegen: I'm waiting for 5.3.2.  I even noted the scheduled release date in my calendar: 25.06.2015.  I really hope the backports will be available soon.  I'm working and living in KDE, the crashes are really annoying.  That's not ment to be critizism for the developers.
[15:42]  * Haudegen is talking to himself.  Must be the heat.
[15:43] <murthy> sorry I was on the phone
[15:44] <lordievader> 5.3.2 should be coming soon to Vivid. It is already in Wily.
[15:44] <murthy> diego___: yes. but the driver manager didn't show any other driver as available right?
[15:45] <diego___> murthy: no.  Just the intel one..
[15:45] <murthy> diego___: so there is not proprietary drivers available to be installed
[16:12] <akasic> hi all, can anyone tell me how to enable vsync in with an nvidia gpu? in nvidia-settings there is no option for my 740m
[16:13] <lordievader> akasic: You can enable it in for kwin. What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[16:15] <akasic> 15.04
[16:15] <akasic> but that is a card opton, very strange ill look, thn
[16:15] <akasic> x
[16:17] <lordievader> akasic: It should be in the nvidia x config too, I suppose.
[16:18] <akasic> the option of kwin is for composition effects? i need for every 3d
[16:18] <akasic> no, no vsync, sync to blanc, etc
[16:20] <akasic> thnx anyway
[16:49] <Haudegen> lordievader: My Wily VM is on 5.3.1 still.
[16:50] <lordievader> Hmm... would it be in staging then... I thought it had landed already.
[17:12] <mparillo> Haudegen: Have you upgraded recently? My wily is on 5.3.2 with no PPAs required.
[17:12] <knightyyy> how can I view kde's logs?
[17:14] <Haudegen> mparillo: I have an VM based on the Alpha 1 ISO.  No PPAs.
[17:14] <Haudegen> mparillo: Fully updated.
[17:16] <Haudegen> mparillo: Maybe my mirror is outdated (at.archive.ubuntu.com).  I'll try switching to the german mirror.
[17:23] <Haudegen> mparillo: 218 updates after switching to the german mirror.
[17:34] <lordievader> Haudegen: There you go ;)
[17:34] <lordievader> So 5.3.2 is in the archives, right?
[17:43] <mparillo> When I try to help people, I am usually the one learning. It never occurred to me that the mirrors would not be up-to-date. Yet another reason to try to help.
[18:19] <Haudegen> lordievader: Yes it is.  And the mirrors are untrustworthy.
[18:30] <lordievader> Haudegen: Phew, then my mind ain't going :)
[18:30] <Haudegen> lordievader: I'm sorry for confusing you.
[18:31] <lordievader> Haudegen: No worries ;)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[19:48] <AceKing> I use Witopia VPN service. I noticed today, when I connect to an openvpn server, it shows I'm connected, but if I check my IP address, it still shows my local IP. I've been using Witopia since 2010, and never had this problem. I tried rebuilding the ovpn files, and imported them again, still the same problem. Same problem on my PC, and laptop. Any ideas how to fix this?
[19:48] <lordievader> AceKing: Can you pastebin the openvpn config?
[19:49] <AceKing> lordievader: Sure.. Give me a minute
[19:50] <AceKing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11850978/
[19:53] <lordievader> AceKing: Do you get a new gateway pushed by the server?
[19:54] <AceKing> lordievader: I'm not too sure
[19:54] <lordievader> AceKing: Compare 'ip r' before you connect to the vpn with the output after you've connected.
[19:55] <AceKing> lordievader: At the risk of sounding stupid, how do I check that
[19:56] <lordievader> AceKing: You disconnect the vpn, open a terminal, run 'ip r', connect to the vpn, and run 'ip r' again.
[19:56] <AceKing> lordievader: Ok, thank you
[19:57] <AceKing> lordievader: Yes, it changed
[19:58] <lordievader> The default gatway, or just a couple of routes?
[19:58] <AceKing> a couple of routes
[19:59] <lordievader> There is your problem then, the default gateway ain't changed ;)
[19:59] <AceKing> lordievader: How can I fix it?
[20:00] <lordievader> AceKing: Find out what the gateway should be, likely mentioned among the routes, and let openvpn set your default gatway to that.
[20:01] <lordievader> Make sure the connection to the vpn server goes outside of the vpn tunnel.
[20:02] <AceKing> lordievader: OK, one more thing... Is there an easy way to setup IPsec? When I go to add a VPN connection, it doesn't show as a choice
[20:02] <lordievader> AceKing: With Strongswan, yes. Their documentation is rather good.
[20:03] <AceKing> lordievader: Thank you for all your help. I appreciate it
[20:03] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[20:16] <AceKing> lordievader: If I can bother you once more... Here is how they say to setup a connection in Witopia. Of course it's not the same Kubuntu, and I can't seem to get it to work. If you would be so kind to point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. https://www.witopia.net/support/setting-up-and-using-your-vpn/ubuntu-linux-ipsec-setup/
[20:24] <Wazhai> Hi, I have a problem with Kubuntu 14.04 auto update, it doesn't auto check. I've set it in Software Sources to check for updates daily, but it doesn't. When I open Muon Update manager, it currently says last checked 1 day 20 hours ago. I think my PC needs to be turned on at a certain time of day for this to work. Does anyone know how to fix this? Also, Application update notifier is running in the system tray.
[21:37] <tweak> hi. just curious what the easiest way is to automount drives on bootup so i don't have to open dolphin just to mount a drive ?
[21:48] <tweak> also curious how to change the application laucher icon, as well as looking for my old plasma wallpaper that was a view of earth and space with constellations that you could zoom in/out and move around.
[22:06] <tweakeroon> hi. just curious what the easiest way is to automount drives on bootup so i don't have to open dolphin just to mount a drive ? also curious how to change the application laucher icon, as well as looking for my old plasma wallpaper that was a view of earth and space with constellations that you could zoom in/out and move around.
[22:15] <Wazhai> tweakeroon: you can set up automount using GUI with "gnome-disk-utility".  Select the disk, gears icon below, mount options, mount at startup
[22:18] <tweakeroon> Wazhai: Thanks so much! Was about to edit fstab -_-
[22:22] <tweakeroon> Wazhai: actually the mount options option is greyed out
[22:26] <Wazhai> tweakeroon: hm, sorry, but I don't know. I can edit all of my partitions' mount options there
[22:27] <Wazhai> maybe try running it as root?
[22:27] <tweakeroon> Wazhai: good call, that did it. thank you xD
[22:28] <Wazhai> glad to help :)
[22:36] <tweakeroon> anyone have a clue as to how to change the kde laucher icon? the standard right click options->appearance->icon isnt there
[22:41] <lordievader> Why use a Gnome utility when you have fstab...
[23:08] <TNVolFan> Hey Guys and Girls, long time no see
[23:08] <TNVolFan> sorry, been away taking care of some stuff
[23:08] <lordievader> o/
[23:09] <TNVolFan> I am having a bang up problem with my Belkin F5D8235 router, for some darn reason it keeps hanging up and I think the firmware has gone to crap on it.  I am trying to use openwrt to build a new firmware so I can put the custom build on it.
[23:09] <TNVolFan> Hey Lordie..
[23:10] <TNVolFan> Can you guys help me figure out what getopt belongs to?  I think its part of perl.  Its asking for that as a prereq of the openwrt to build.  I am not entirely sure tho.  the readme doesn't specify
[23:10] <lordievader> Does your router support OpenWRT?
[23:13] <TNVolFan> yep, sure does, well at least according to the site and the make menuconfig.  The router is a Belkin F5D8235-4 version 2.  On the make menuconfig, its listed as aRT3xxx and in the submenus its defined as Target Profile of Belkin F5D8235 v2
[23:14] <TNVolFan> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start#belkin
[23:15] <TNVolFan> i think I almost have the prereqs installed but its slightly confusing what the developer meant by his prereqs in the readme file.  I will excerpt only the prereqs they are calling for
[23:16] <TNVolFan> According to the README file in the openwrt 15.05, it shows: You need to have installed gcc, binutils, bzip2, flex, python, perl, make,
[23:16] <TNVolFan> find, grep, diff, unzip, gawk, getopt, subversion, libz-dev and libc headers.
[23:16] <TNVolFan> well, darn, sorry about the scroll, ctrl V didn't work out lol
[23:17] <TNVolFan> getopt is what is confuzzing me
[23:20] <lordievader> TNVolFan: You probably want libc6-dev.
[23:21] <TNVolFan> let me check that out in the package manager.  I wonder if getopt is a part of that dev package
[23:21] <lordievader> getopt.h is in that package, and since you are building stuff ;)
[23:23] <TNVolFan> maybe... just maybe you have a good point.  Let me give that a shot and see what happens..  the worst that could happen is the build fail....  Right?  LOL
[23:24] <TNVolFan> looks like its already installed.  Let me give this a shot
[23:26] <TNVolFan> I hope to goodness this build works LOL...  This Belkin has been locking up, half working, booting me off youtube on my smartTV and a whole buncha irritating stuff.  I am sure you would understand haha
[23:26] <TNVolFan> What drives me crazy..  Belkin hasn't released a firmware since 2012 on that thing, sooo, figured I would explore other options


[02:36] <someone_> I have an old problem with wifi on Kubuntu, its speed decrease without reason and sometimes I lose the connection, Is there any package or a driver could help in that , I think it is a general problem, I remmber I have used opensuse and the same problem appeared, I'm not sure it is problem in the kernel or in KDE.
[02:43] <avargas> someone, r u sure is not the wifi source device
[02:43] <vespertatia> try wireshark, maybe someone's deauthenticating you someone_
[02:46] <someone_> vespertatia I don't think so, but How I can know, I have wireshark and the router in the next room.
[02:49] <vespertatia> maybe driver problems too, try wpa_supplicant, also monitor your logs, what does it say
[02:50] <someone_> vespertatia the result https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/r2hrS7nCRp/
[02:55] <someone_> vespertatia What do you see?
[03:16] <vespertatia> someone_: that's an overview of how to use wpa_suppicant, try looking in to /var/log
[03:16] <vespertatia> but please remove private information if there's any
[03:30] <someone_> vespertatia :)
[03:30] <someone_> Ok looking for what there are a lot of files there.
[08:16] <hingrida> Hello, my children have set something on the kubuntu desktop so that it is bigger than the actual monitor and when moving mouse it the screen moves to travel to the place I am going to
[08:17] <hingrida> I think the screen resolution is now lower than the native 1920x1080
[08:17] <hingrida> because when I set it to 1920x1080 then it happens too
[08:18] <hingrida> Where an be the setting to reset this to the default?
[08:19] <acheronuk> Displays in systemsettings
[08:21] <hingrida> It's set to 1920x1080 there
[09:45] <IrcsomeBot1> jpweb7 was added by: jpweb7
[10:41] <Guest69991> #ubuntu
[11:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:58] <user|34529> Where is kuser in Kubutu 18.04 in order to activate vbox checkbox. You need to check the box in order to use the USB in Virtualbox.
[12:31] <user__> hey guys
[12:31] <user__> anyone here
[12:34] <diogenes_> hey
[18:36] <SzykCech> Is Kubuntu 30bit depth color palete capable!?!? I mean 10bits per color...
[18:46] <SzykCech> I swear you if I won't get this answer!!!
 Hey there! … Sometimes my Kubuntu seems to be very slow. What options do I have, to accelerate my system and performance (without changing the hardware) ? … Software Information: Kubuntu 18.04, KDE-Plasma-Version: 5.12.5, KDE-Frameworks-Version: 5.46.0, Qt-Version: 5.9.5, Kernel-Version: 4.15.0-23-generic, 64-bit System … Hardware Information: Acer Aspire E1-571, 4 x Intel-Core i5-2450M (2.50 GHz), about 4 GB RAM
[19:20] <diogenes_> and what about graphics?
 I think it was Intel HD Graphics 3000
[19:24] <diogenes_> well "sometimes" any pc can be slow and no matter how powerful it is, for instance when you transcoding some videos and at the same time you have like 20 tabs opened in the web browser + listening to the music and playing some games etc.
[19:24] <diogenes_> it would be a problem is it's slow all the time
[19:29] <SzykCech> Is Kubuntu 30bit depth color palete capable!?!? I mean 10bits per color...
[19:30] <SzykCech> I must know this before I decide to buy expensive hadrware (monitor and professional graphic card)
 @diogenes_, Yes, sounds legit. … But sometimes my performance is also slow, when I have only Telegram, a PDF (Okular) and Firefox with 1 or 2 tabs opened :/ … Should I close in ''htop'' some applications ? And is there a way, to reduce the RAM usage of some programs (which are running background) ?
[19:37] <diogenes_> Faszinosium4 i can assume this behavior might occur after a few days running the pc without shuting down or rebooting?
 Oh ... yes 😅
[19:45] <diogenes_> Faszinosium4 then most likely it's one of the applications eating up memory, there was this behavior when you leave firefox opened for a few days, it will constantly eating up memory so that's one example how you find yourself out of memory and the system start using swwap, as a result system becomes very slow and sluggish.
 When I open ''htop'', the Swp shows 685M/2.00G (the bar is red)
 What is this ''Swp'' and how can I reduce it ? Does it have an influence on my performance ?
[19:49] <diogenes_> yes, if the system is short on ram, it starting to use swap (you can read what is that on internet) and when the system is using swap it's always becoming slow (expect for the cases when you got a super fast SSD), a quick reboot will get your fast system back.
 Thanks for the information!  … Is there maybe a command to reduce/clean the swap (without rebooting my system) ? … It takes some time to reboot :D
[23:24] <saber> hello
[23:24] <Guest20999> hello
[23:24] <Guest20999> i need help to install nvidia nvs 5200m driver ubuntu 18
[23:25] <Guest20999> i need help to install nvidia nvs 5200m driver kbuntu 18
[23:26] <claydoh> Guest20999: Use the Driver Manager found in System Settings
[23:27] <Guest20999> i think it's buggy
[23:27] <Guest20999> i prerfer to do it by termnal way
[23:30] <claydoh> which driver version supports your card?
[23:30] <Guest20999> nvidia 340
[23:32] <claydoh> it seems that 390 supports that card
[23:32] <Guest20999> i don't have any idea :"3
[23:33] <claydoh> what driver, if any have you tried to i stall?
[23:33] <claydoh> install
[23:33] <Guest20999> i try with 390 ,, but i broke my xserver
[23:33] <Guest20999> so
[23:33] <claydoh> http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/134859/en-us
[23:33] <Guest20999> i make a fresh install and came to here
[23:34] <claydoh> how did you try installing it?
[23:40] <claydoh> Guest20999:  That way we don't try to do the same thing again, perhaps
[23:41] <dcatch69> Hello, is it possible yet to do an update from 16.04 to 18.04?
[23:42] <Guest20999> i try to modfiy somehow file in xorg dir
[23:42] <Guest20999> i forget :3
[23:42] <dcatch69> Ok thanks
[23:43] <claydoh> dcatch69: you can, the upgrade notifier won''t pop up until 18.04.1 later this mointh
[23:44] <claydoh> but you can do it manually, ill look for the command
[23:44] <Guest20999> how to cheak any driver that alread working at my system rightnow
[23:45] <claydoh> Guest20999: the driver manager
[23:46] <claydoh> for some things
[23:46] <Guest20999> by termnal
[23:46] <Guest20999> how to do it
[23:47] <claydoh> dcatch69:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BionicUpgrades/Kubuntu
[23:48] <claydoh> Guest20999: depends on the device
[23:51] <dcatch69> Thank you claydoh
[23:51] <claydoh> if you want to see the video driver, this will show it (among lots opf other things)
[23:51] <claydoh> lshw -c video
[23:52] <claydoh> https://www.howtoforge.com/linux-lshw-command/
[23:54] <claydoh> Guest20999: I may have to run off, work calls :(
[23:54] <claydoh> I may be a long time between answers
[23:56] <Guest20999> any time you avalb we can talk


[12:22] <Riddell> Kamion: all 6 latest kubuntu CDs are good to go
[12:22] <Riddell> dapper that is of course
[12:56] <Burgundavia> fabbione: when you get a chance, you get a logging daemon in ubuntu-laptop?
[01:18] <Nafallo> gnight
[01:19] <Kamion> mdz: looks like your livefs builds did indeed die, so I've restarted them
[01:49] <jbailey> Any edgy users here on ppc willing to risk completely ruining their system by testing glibc for me?
[01:49] <jbailey> If you're not so brave as that, a chroot will work too ;)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:55] <gnomefreak> jbailey: no but if you need to ruin an i386 let me know ;)
[01:55] <jbailey> Nah, I can do i386 here. =)
[01:56] <gnomefreak> im lookinjg for things to break so i have a good excuse to reinstall
[02:03] <jbailey> Started the build on i386 in the meantime.
[02:03] <jbailey> But would really like a ppc user to test it.
[02:32] <zul> you broke it?
[03:17] <jdub_> mjg59: http://people.redhat.com/krh/plymouth/
[03:18] <jdub> mjg59: The changes to rhgb replaces all the X server
[03:18] <jdub> startup/hand-holding code and the gtk+ progress screen and just paints
[03:18] <jdub> on the fbdev using cairo.
[03:18] <jdub>
[03:19] <mjg59> jdub: Pff. Primitive.
[03:23] <jdub> mjg59: should i finally reboot to see how primitive it is compared to ours? :)
[03:23] <mjg59> jdub: Yeah. It might fuck up, but then you can aid debugging
[03:23] <jdub> mjg59: can we use pngs and cairo on ours yet? :)
[03:32] <jdub> oh man
[03:32] <jdub> i accept tseng's friend request on last.fm
[03:32] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:32] <jdub> and the next song it plays for me is "we belong together" by mariah carey
[03:32] <jdub> tseng: SABOTAGE!
[03:33] <jdub> ha ha
[03:33] <tseng> that certainly isnt on my playlist.
[03:33] <Burgundavia> hey Hobbsee
[03:33] <tseng> hey Hobbsee, Burgundavia
[03:33] <tseng> jdub: Muse!
[03:33] <tseng> rock on
[03:34] <bddebian> Hi Burgundavia
[03:35] <Burgundavia> hey bddebian
[03:35] <stillflame> so i'm working on fixing oem-config stuff, with it silently ignoring invalid usernames, and i am wondering what the policy/proceedure is on having to translate "no underscores or capitol letters" into every language.  pointers?
[03:35] <tseng> isnt that something the translation team would handle?
[03:36] <stillflame> ooo, that sounds promising.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi Burgundavia, tseng!
[03:36] <stillflame> so then i submit a bug requesting translations?
[03:41] <stillflame> there's the ubuntu-translators list - would sending requests there be appropriate?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> stillflame: is that supposed to be done in rosetta?
[03:43] <Hobbsee> stillflame: i've got no idea
[03:46] <stillflame> hmm.  i'll submit a bug and hope that works :-/
[04:56] <Kamion> stillflame: I'm currently in the middle of a total restructure of oem-config - http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/
[04:56] <Kamion> not quite working yet but it will be a lot easier to fix that bug there
[04:57] <Burgundavia> mdz: ping (re: -news moderator password)
[04:58] <Kamion> and the messages should just come from user-setup or (possibly) ubiquity - there should be no need to invent new ones for oem-config
[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> oh. excellent.
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> looks like xfs 32bit->64bit change ate my filesystem
[06:18] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: that's why it's called xfs
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> I have 670gb of data in lost and found
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> and another 700 or so gone
[06:21] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: that is crazy
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> you're telling me
[06:57] <stillflame> Kamion: excellent!  i'll happily look around in your code, beta test, and even submit a patch or two.
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> I take that back though, the data in lost+found is scrambled
[07:23] <Amaranth> HrdwrBoB: Ouch!
[11:20] <jdub> rodarvus: ping
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Kamion: do we have a time frame on Knot 2? I have started work on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnot2
[01:24] <Kamion> Testing/Current's all cleared out - have at it
[05:23] <Kamion> Nobody at all willing to help me test the dapper point release?
[05:24] <Kamion> help on amd64 and powerpc especially would be most appreciated
[05:24] <Nafallo> my rabbit destroyed my powercord this morning, sorry :-/
[05:24] <Kamion> see Testing/Current for the test matrix
[05:28] <Chipzz> hrrrrm
[05:28] <Chipzz> I'm reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dpkg7Zip
[05:29] <Chipzz> just some random thoughts, I may be talking out of my ass
[05:30] <Chipzz> 1) I thought the compressed file system shared data with the compressed (gzipped) debs... am I correct in this?
[05:30] <Kamion> you mean the live filesystem on the desktop CD?
[05:30] <Chipzz> yes
[05:30] <Kamion> you are entirely wrong, sorry
[05:30] <fabbione> Kamion: i would love too... but i have my hands full of diapers to do proper testing :/
[05:31] <Kamion> fabbione: you're excused :)
[05:31] <Chipzz> 2) I do not know if this matters, but gzip supports random access, while bzip2 does not
[05:31] <Chipzz> not sure about 7zip
[05:31] <Kamion> Chipzz: various people have had random bluesky ideas about sharing space that way but nobody's ever come close to implementing it in a way we could use sanely
[05:31] <fabbione> Chipzz: you don't need random access when unpacking a deb
[05:32] <Chipzz> uhu
[05:32] <Chipzz> that would only be relevant if the compressed fs was to share data with the debs
[05:32] <Chipzz> which is not the case
[05:33] <Chipzz> Kamion: ah, so that's where I got that silly idea from ;)
[05:34] <Chipzz> adding 7zip support to dpkg may be something that may prove hard to get integrated upstream though, I guess
[05:35] <azeem> #
[05:35] <azeem> Created: 2005-11-05 by ScottJamesRemnant
[05:36] <Chipzz> I doubt the dpkg maintainer would be happy to introduce that dependency :/
[05:36] <fabbione> Chipzz: what are you talking about???
[05:36] <fabbione> Chipzz: the maintainer and upstream are the same person that wrote that specs
[05:37] <fabbione> Chipzz: there is no dependecy. dpkg is statically linked for an amazing amount of good reasons
[05:37] <Chipzz> fabbione: in that case I'm talking out of my ass I guess
[05:38] <mc44> fabbione: congratulations :) got the baby hacking on X yet? :p
[05:38] <azeem> fabbione: is that a ubuntuism? (statically linked dpkg)
[05:38] <fabbione> mc44: yeps.. he already started working on multihead :)
[05:38] <fabbione> azeem: i am pretty sure it's the same in debian too.
[05:39] <fabbione> azeem: it's a just a matter of "whoops.. libbz2 did break the abi and i can't upgrade or fix anything anymore"
[05:39] <fabbione> azeem: at least.. afaik
[05:39] <azeem> right, stuff besides glibc is linked statically
[05:40] <mc44> fabbione: ah thats why his middle name is Xinerama? :)
[05:41] <fabbione> mc44: ehhee
[05:41] <felixw> Hey.  I'd like to create a custom live CD of Dapper Drake with a different default language.
[05:42] <felixw> I've loopback-mountet the ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso, but I can't find the point where English is defined as default langauge.
[05:42] <felixw> Any ideas where the default language can be changed?
[05:43] <Chipzz> fabbione: I was under the impression some people wanted to keep the base debian install very small; for example, if you look at some of the packages in the base install, some don't even use debconf (while actually they could)
[05:44] <Chipzz> but I should have checked dpkg 's dependencies, indeed
[05:44] <mdke> felixw: you can look on the help wiki, there is some details about customisation. otherwise best to ask in #ubuntu.
[05:44] <fabbione> Chipzz: and how's that related with dpkg with 7zip compression?
[05:44] <felixw> mdke: Thanks!
[05:44] <mdke> felixw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization/6%2e06?highlight=%28live%29
[05:45] <Chipzz> fabbione: not introducing a dependency (which argument indeed is void, since as you pointed out, dpkg is statically linked)
[05:46] <fabbione> Chipzz: increasing dpkg of 10KB of code is nothing compared to how much the base system is bloated anyway. If you want to reduce the base system size, you start killing other stuff.
[05:46] <fabbione> Chipzz: saving that space in dpkg is not what you are looking for.
[05:47] <Chipzz> fabbione: I'm not against including 7zip support in dpkg ;)
[05:47] <Chipzz> anyway I'll stop wasting your time ;)
[05:47] <Chipzz> and come back when I have something usefull to say ;)
[05:57] <lfittl> Does anybody have an idea why nvidia-cg-toolkit isn't included in our repositories, although it is in debian unstable since 2004?
[06:20] <mdz> Kamion: morning, how goes it?
[06:32] <Kamion> mdz: morning - working my way through i386 tests
[06:33] <Kamion> all good so far
[06:38] <gnomefreak> Kamion: is there a page on what the install cd installs?
[06:38] <Kamion> ubuntu-standard + ubuntu-desktop + language packs
[06:39] <Kamion> oh ubuntu-minimal as well obviously
[06:39] <gnomefreak> is that same for x,k,ed(ubuntu)
[06:39] <Kamion> obviously not, see their preseed files
[06:39] <gnomefreak> xubuntu-standard ect
[06:39] <gnomefreak> ohok
[06:39] <Kamion> still the ubuntu-standard package
[06:39] <Riddell> Kamion: new live CD builds?
[06:39] <Kamion> (metapackage)
[06:40] <Kamion> although there's a xubuntu-standard task for internal convenience reasons
[06:40] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, ubiquity badness needed correcting
[06:40] <Riddell> ok
[06:40] <Kamion> it's a one-liner in the gtk and kde frontends
[06:41] <Riddell> bummer
[06:42] <Kamion> manifests when you have existing partitions other than ext3, swap, vfat, ntfs, xfs
[06:43] <Kamion> so create a reiserfs filesystem and then start ubiquity and don't touch the reiserfs filesystem but install alongside, and you should be able to duplicate it
[06:55] <Kamion> mdz: the d-i partitioner hasn't changed, so I'm not going to worry too much about testing all the permutations there
[06:59] <Kamion> and the only part of oem-config that's changed is localechooser, so I only need to test it on one architecture
[07:57] <fabbione> is anybody aware of the refresh problems in edgy?
[07:57] <fabbione> seems to be gtk/gnome specific..
[08:08] <zul> fabbione: i think there wassome pango problems recently with amd64
[08:09] <fabbione> i am on i386
[08:09] <Nafallo> WTF! is away-msg standard in xchat or something?
[08:09] <fabbione> but i guess it's a similar problem?
[08:09] <zul> i guess so
[08:12] <fabbione> it's not libpango
[08:13] <fabbione> i can't even read emails to check -changes
[08:25] <gnomefreak> Kamion: you still here?
[09:00] <kozz> was wondering if someone could help me with a sponsored upload for mkvmlinuz, fixes https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460
[09:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[09:00] <kozz> http://www.kozz.org/files/ubuntu/mkvmlinuz/
[09:04] <Riddell> Kamion: all current kubuntu dapper desktop CDs good (and alternate CDs still good)
[09:20] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks
[09:24] <gnomefreak> Kamion: did you need the logs for bug 55214?
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55214 in ubiquity "installer crash during "Creating user"" [Untriaged,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/55214
[09:25] <gnomefreak> i saw somehting that concered me in it wanted to check to make sure
[09:25] <kozz> Kamion: would it be possible to also include a compressed kernel on the cd?
[09:26] <kozz> like the one from breezy called vmlinuz-chrp.initrd
[10:11] <Kamion> gnomefreak: /var/log/syslog would be useful, but even in its absence I don't want the bug closed
[10:11] <Kamion> kozz: we had to remove that for space reasons, I'm afraid; sorry
[10:26] <crimsun> Kamion: Please demote linuxsampler to multiverse. Its README lists an exception to the GPL: "This software is distributed under the GNU General Public License (see COPYING file), and may not be used in commercial applications without asking the authors for permission." The relevant BTS # is Debian 328121.
[10:26] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 328121 in linuxsampler "Subject: linuxsampler: Inconsistent and non DFSG free license" [Grave,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/328121
[10:28] <Kamion> crimsun: can you file a bug on the package and subscribe ubuntu-archive please?
[10:28] <crimsun> Kamion: surely, thank you.
[10:28] <Kamion> the above is actually non-distributable - it's not internally consistent with the GPL
[10:28] <Kamion> (hm, not sure about that)
[10:29] <Kamion> (it depends whether they're using any GPLed code not written by them - if it's all written by them then they can do what the like)
[10:30] <Kamion> crimsun: reading that bug, it's been removed from Debian, so there's some argument that we should remove it too if we're not willing to support it ourselves
[10:41] <kozz> Kamion: do even the alternative cd has space problems?
[10:44] <Kamion> kozz: all our CDs have space problems of one kind or another - it's hard to cram an operating system, lots of applications, and lots of language support onto one CD these days
[11:18] <kozz> Kamion: yeah, i'm sure they have... the thing is that for the pegasos it is only possible to boot a compressed kernel with the ramdisk in the same file. or teoretically use grub2 but that's still to much beta
[11:19] <kozz> Kamion: but the dvd should have plenty of space, right?
[11:22] <Kamion> right, I realise it's difficult for pegasos users, but there are just too many things competing for that space at the moment :(
[11:23] <Kamion> I thought it was on the DVD, but apparently not - I think it's because the kernel just doesn't build that file at the moment
[11:23] <Kamion> hmm, maybe not, it should be d-i's job
[11:23] <Kamion> oh, that was it, our kernel images don't currently ship the files mkvmlinuz needs
[11:24] <Kamion> which is not something I can fix - needs to be done by the kernel maintainers
[11:26] <Kamion> you may be able to get updated firmware for the pegasos to let you run yaboot
[11:27] <Kamion> which I think is a better solution long-term; having to munge the images into lots of different formats isn't really sustainable
[11:27] <Kamion> anyway, the kernel issue is bug 34306
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34306 in linux-source-2.6.15 "all powerpc kernel images should install additional utilities" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34306
[11:28] <kozz> the new version of mkvmlinuz works
[11:28] <kozz> after https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mkvmlinuz/+bug/53460
[11:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53460 in mkvmlinuz "mkvmlinuz fails to create kernel" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[11:29] <kozz> so bug 34306 is a bit old
[11:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34306 in linux-source-2.6.15 "all powerpc kernel images should install additional utilities" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34306
[11:29] <Kamion> ah
[11:29] <Kamion> ok, can you leave a comment correcting me in that bug?
[11:30] <Kamion> I'll apply your mkvmlinuz patch shortly when I'm not in the middle of a dapper CD image test
[11:31] <kozz> but I agree with you, not good to have different solutions for the kernel, the best solution imho is to use grub2 for all platforms
[11:31] <kozz> but that will take a time until it is mature enough
[11:36] <Kamion> Riddell: could you fill your test results into Testing/Current please?
[11:36] <Kamion> just so that I have them
[11:45] <Kamion> kozz: ok, thanks for the mkvmlinuz patch! uploading now
[11:45] <Kamion> pretty sure that -fno-stack-protector is the way to go for now at least


[02:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 839 shortly for the day's update.
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[03:24] <Bashing-om> Oppps - 839 saved and out :D


[04:52]  * jasonjang is away: away
[04:57]  * jasonjang is back (gone 00:04:44)
[20:03] <TommyT> are there any loco groups active on irc? Our group's usage of irc has fallen to nothing.
[20:03] <TommyT> I am curious how the groups are using it
[20:04] <TommyT> I suppose I should call us a "team"
[20:18] <rww> TommyT: #ubuntu-us-ca uses it mostly for social chat and for meetings.
[20:18] <rww> we have two IRC meetings a month
[20:18] <rww> unfortunately, they're not very well-attended right now, because this is our "slow" time of the year
[20:19] <TommyT> thanks! We have an established "chat night" on irc but nobody shows up
[20:19] <TommyT> a few years back some organized a Google video meeting but that never became regular
[20:21] <TommyT> I assume "ca" stands for "California," so it seems like you have population going in your favor.
[20:22] <TommyT> I'm talking about ubuntu-us-ar and the AR is "Arkansas," which as a friend from Dallas once pointed out has fewer folks than her home town
[20:23] <TommyT> (We may have caught up with Dallas by now but that would be the whole state.)
[20:35] <TommyT> rww: thanks for your response
[21:52] <TommyT> Since we have so little population, is there a regional channel we might consider monitoring instead?
[21:53] <rww> #ubuntu-us exists, but it isn't very lively. I don't think there are channels for regions of the US, but I could be wrong.
[21:53] <mhall119> just states I think
[21:54] <TommyT> For those who don't know, Arkansas is bordered by Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas
[21:54] <TommyT> So maybe I could check out some of those


[00:44] <bdrung_> i want to set the package of the debian bug in launchpad to apt-mirror, but it does not work ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-mirror/+bug/244613 )
[00:44] <bdrung_> but apt-mirror exists. what do i wrong?
[00:47] <wgrant> bdrung_: It's complaining that it's not published?
[00:48] <bdrung_> wgrant: but it is long ago: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt-mirror.html
[00:48] <wgrant> bdrung: That's not in Launchpad.
[00:48] <bdrung> what can i do?
[00:48] <wgrant> bdrung: There's a Launchpad misfeature in play here.
[00:48] <wgrant> Wait.
[00:49] <wgrant> And complain at peoplee.
[00:49] <wgrant> The problem is that a couple of days ago Debian was imported into Launchpad.
[00:49] <bdrung> and?
[00:49] <wgrant> But it isn't being officially published from there like Ubuntu is, so Launchpad is of the opinion that it has no packages.
[00:50] <wgrant> There's nothing you can do except complain, I'm afraid.
[00:50] <wgrant> I presume somebody is working on a fix.
[00:50] <bdrung> ah, so the debian distribution has no packages.
[00:51] <wgrant> Ah.
[00:51] <wgrant> Er, yes.
[00:51] <bdrung> is there a bugreport for it?
[00:52] <wgrant> I'm not sure, but bug #291512 seems at least somewhat relevant.
[00:52] <wgrant> There are no Soyuz devs here now, unfortunately.
[00:54] <bdrung> wgrant: thx
[04:50] <calc> i have an issue
[04:50] <calc> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bugs?orderby=-datecreated&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status_upstream=hide_upstream
[04:50] <calc> that hides all bugs that have any kind of upstream status (afaict) even 'invalid'
[04:51] <wgrant> calc: File a bug, I suspect.
[04:51] <calc> there is no way to delete an upstream task from a bug so there is no easy way to see bugs without real upstream status
[04:51] <calc> wgrant: ok
[04:51] <calc> so my issue is i am losing bugs when trying to effectively triage
[04:53] <Hobbsee> calc: um, wrong day?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> calc: it's a saturday in most countries by now.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> but, yes, apart from that --> bug, and wait.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> wonder if the bug guys will be able to give you a quicker solution on monday, though
[04:55] <calc> heh i'll be in the air on monday :\
[04:55] <calc> take off at 6:30am sunday and land at 3:00pm on monday
[04:56]  * calc wonders how many other bugs are hiding in between the cracks for OOo
[04:58]  * calc would really like to be able to delete 'tasks' off of bugs that would solve lots of problems including this one
[04:59] <calc> bug 291968
[04:59] <calc> thats my bug :)
[05:00] <calc> hopefully i'll have irc access next week
[10:48] <Stedevil> Hi :) I have a problem with the SVN importing of launchpad. 3 weeks ago I tried to import freedroidRPG trunk from SF and it is constantly failing. https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/freedroid/trunk
[10:49] <Stedevil> Could somebody help me try to solve it?
[10:50] <Stedevil> I suspect the problem might be that we dont have a /trunk folder on our SVN at SF, in fact we dont have any branches at all so "trunk" is situated in the root folder
[10:51] <Stedevil> However I dont seem to be able to find any way of specifying exact location for the import.
[10:52] <Stedevil> In fact, I dont find any controls at all, not even "delete this import", anywhere.
[11:54] <RainCT> Hi
[11:55] <RainCT> I can't create a bug watch for Debian (LP says «u'Package xoids not published in Debian'»), but the package does indeed exist (http://packages.debian.org/sid/xoids)
[11:59] <wgrant> RainCT: That's a Launchpad bug, and it was triggered a couple of days ago when they started to import Debian. It's known.
[12:03] <Stedevil> wgrant: do you perhaps have any insight on my problem I wrote earlier? :)
[12:05] <wgrant> Stedevil: You would probably do better asking on a weekday, when there are Launchpad developers here.
[12:05] <Stedevil> Ahh, thanks :)
[12:08] <RainCT> wgrant: OK, thanks
[16:44] <fta> are vcs-imports broken ?
[16:44] <fta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/googlechrome/trunk


[12:46] <rlameiro> ScottL: i think i cant make it to the meeting today
[12:47] <rlameiro> ScottL: i have to go to the ariport and i am not sure if i get home in time
[12:53] <rlameiro> jussi: are you there?
[12:53] <rlameiro> I am thinking on a implementation of the UBS controls
[12:55] <rlameiro> what do you think if the controls utility, could download from a server a text file with the list of PPA we determine safe for ubuntustudio
[12:55] <rlameiro> this way we wouldnt need to upgrade the package each time some PPA changes, or something new is needed to be added
[12:56] <rlameiro> if so, where can i put that file? some safe place, also it sgould be GPG signed, but i dont know how, maype gziped or something
[13:13] <ScottL> rlameiro, i don't think we are ready for a meeting today, i know i'm not
[13:13] <rlameiro> ok
[13:14] <rlameiro> ScottL: what do you thing about the file download?
[13:53] <ScottL> rlameiro, hmm, i'm not sure, i'd have to think about it
[13:53] <ScottL> my first thought is that i would rather we test the ppa ourselves and then copy the build into our own ppa
[13:54] <ScottL> this keeps a single ppa for user's to worry about
[13:54] <ScottL> but, this does not prevent us from fixing the rtprio and memlock settings, which is actually pretty important
[13:55] <rlameiro> ScottL: well, but the backpots need to have its own ppa
[13:55] <rlameiro> i need to look into the rtprio stuff
[13:56] <rlameiro> it needs to be added to the audio.d/config isnt it
[13:56] <ScottL> rlameiro, true, but we could include one other for "extended" universe ppa (or whatever name we come up with)
[13:56] <rlameiro> ok
[13:56] <rlameiro> like enable backports ppa
[13:56] <rlameiro> and another with enable ubuntustudio universe team ppa
[13:56] <rlameiro> or something
[13:57] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16
[13:57] <ScottL> /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[13:57] <ScottL> the link provides alink to mailing list discribing it, but you seee the file also below my link
[13:57] <rlameiro> yes that, misspelled it
[13:58] <rlameiro> i just dont get that stuff of not adding the user to the @audio group when using PA
[13:58] <ScottL> i have misgivings about enabling ppa's that we do not have control over, we cannot guarentee their quality and we would receive the bugs for them
[13:59] <rlameiro> ScottL: me too
[13:59] <rlameiro> I was thinking on separate ppa, just that
[14:00] <rlameiro> but all controlled by the team, also the list would need to be approved by the team, but maybe its better to have just one ppa with everything
[14:01] <ScottL> the way i understood dtchen's explanation, is that the active user (the one at the keyboard) has rights to the /dev/snd/* which means you have access to the @audio group
[14:01] <rlameiro> i wanted to put the kernel in a diferent one, because, that way, we could warn users about the rt kernel implications
[14:01] <rlameiro> even with jack?
[14:01] <ScottL> you are not explicitly in the group but because you are the person logged on you access to that groups rights
[14:02] <rlameiro> humm
[14:02] <rlameiro> ok
[14:02] <ScottL> that's a good idea about the kernel
[14:02] <rlameiro> ScottL: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=12
[14:03] <rlameiro> ScottL: the idea was like this, the user selects the checkbox for the kernels PPA and a Warnig box appears
[14:03] <ScottL> according to dtchen, this should work, even with jack...of course there may be unforseen situations
[14:03] <rlameiro> saying that you may have problems with the propietary kernels etc
[14:03] <rlameiro> the things abogani explained on the mailing list
[14:03] <ScottL> proprietary drivers?  instead of proprietary kernels?
[14:04] <rlameiro> ScottL: when you instal the rt kernel, ussually users have some problems with the nvida and ATI propietary drivers
[14:04] <rlameiro> this is a defense for us, or elese we would be swamped with bugs and complains
[14:05] <ScottL> i meant that you said "saying that you may have problems with the propietary kernels etc"   but i realize you meant drivers not kernels
[14:05] <rlameiro> if they want rt kernels, they should know thew caveeats
[14:05] <ScottL> exactly
[14:05] <rlameiro> oops, sorry fail
[14:05] <rlameiro> :D
[14:05] <ScottL> lol
[14:06] <ScottL> i'm hoping this is transitory...if preempt gets in archives and can be shipped by default, many may not want to switch because performance is acceptable
[14:06] <ScottL> transitory = people wanting -rt kernels
[14:06] <rlameiro> yeap, but there are still situations whwere rt kernels is better, for instance with laptops
[14:07] <ScottL> my understanding is that we cannot make an -rt kernel without Igno's patch, and that leaves us in a difficult position sometimes
[14:07] <rlameiro> as the mobile processor have some weard differences, with the rt you can push it to the limit
[14:07] <rlameiro> ScottL: no, if we tell the user :D
[14:08] <rlameiro> we are not the devs, we just try to get together the best software
[14:08] <rlameiro> we are not kernel devs
[14:08] <ScottL> rlameiro, i fear that most users think we work in a fantasy land and we have all the knowledge, resources, and time to make things "right" and that somehow we just choose to screw things up for select peoples
[14:08] <rlameiro> the problem is that most people think that ubuntustudio makes its own kernel, and all software
[14:08] <ScottL> precisely
[14:09] <ScottL> "omnipotent" gods thats fail
[14:09] <rlameiro> so, ubuntustudio controls could be a way to WAR users about the caveats
[14:09] <rlameiro> and also ask for help
[14:09] <rlameiro> it can be naggy, but yes it is needed
[14:10] <ScottL> a dialogue box would be nice to tell them of the dangers and a link to an informative website would be a really good thing IMO
[14:10] <rlameiro> precisely my idea
[14:10] <rlameiro> with a BIG warning triangle
[14:10] <ScottL> english is my native tongue and my last sentence was pretty horrible :P
[14:10] <rlameiro> we also should push translation
[14:11] <ScottL> maybe I should have an editor and a translator :P
[14:11] <rlameiro> lol
[14:11] <rlameiro> i got you :D
[14:11] <ScottL> that's why i worry about abogani and the way he gets down on himself about his english
[14:12] <ScottL> i really do think he types it better than a lot of native english speakers
[14:13] <rlameiro> ScottL: that is normal with us, because our native language isn't english, but we do spend most of our time reading stuff in english
[14:13] <ScottL> once we get an ISO build that works i should be updating the seeds to include the new lv2 stuff and hopefully moderating the menu for them as well
[14:13] <rlameiro> so sometimes qe feel that we should do better at it
[14:13] <ScottL> even if something is spoken (or written) not quite correctly but the intent is understood, then that is a win
[14:14] <ScottL> because sometimes even for those born in US and speak english natively, it is difficult to understand some spoken dialogue because of slang and poor word choices
[14:14] <ScottL> it's not what you would call "proper english" but it gets understood the same more or less
[14:15] <rlameiro> yea, true, sometimes i cant get some english expressions ou there :D
[14:16] <ScottL> oh, and when we get an ISO build that installs I really want to test JACK/Pulse Audio together and see what's different
[14:16] <rlameiro> ScottL: do you know another ubuntu channel for developres, besides #ubuntu-dev?
[14:16] <ScottL> i do not...i wasn't even directly aware of #ubuntu-dev until now
[14:16] <rlameiro> ScottL: about that,, http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=12
[14:17] <rlameiro> i think we could implement it on controls
[14:17] <rlameiro> as enable it or disable it
[14:17] <ScottL> which part?
[14:17] <rlameiro> also warning that when jack is stoped pulse crash :D
[14:17] <rlameiro> the pulse/jack
[14:18] <ScottL> you mean the bridge?
[14:18] <rlameiro> so you can get pulse audio into jack and vice versa
[14:18] <rlameiro> yeap
[14:18] <ScottL> i agree, but probably not this cycle
[14:19] <ScottL> i am expected to have some troubles still with maverick in terms of getting jack and pulse enabled and working in a stable manner vai dbus
[14:19] <rlameiro> maybe
[14:19] <ScottL> not that i have great or expansive knowledge of the subject
[14:20] <ScottL> but when we change infrastructure like this it seems to have "unforeseen consequences" which take a cycle to rectify
[14:20] <rlameiro> it depends on how can i make it or not
[14:20] <rlameiro> i have some spare time now
[14:20] <ScottL> i'm not talking about -controls
[14:20] <rlameiro> i am starting to reading stuff about python-apt etc
[14:20] <rlameiro> i need to make a mock-up and implement it
[14:21] <ScottL> but first can we fix the rtprio and memlock situation, that is clearly defined and pretty critical
[14:21] <rlameiro> also i will meet in person RNCBC in 15 days so i can ask him directly about rtirq
[14:22] <ScottL> hey, that's pretty cool!
[14:22] <rlameiro> ScottL: AFAIK the issue is easy to fix, just changing the file path in the python script
[14:22] <rlameiro> that is the first thing i will do
[14:22] <rlameiro> that and remove nice
[14:23] <ScottL> rlameiro,  i would even suggest that we fix that first, test it, and then push the changes now to improve usability
[14:23] <rlameiro> ScottL: should i develop it on the alpha?
[14:23] <ScottL> and then worry about other improvements
[14:23] <rlameiro> ScottL: for lucid?
[14:23] <ScottL> you could develop on lucid i think without any problems
[14:24] <rlameiro> i dont know if i can
[14:24] <ScottL> you don't know if you can update -controls on lucid?
[14:24] <rlameiro> the problems with rtprio came because the change was made between karmic and lucid
[14:24] <rlameiro> so never was detected fixed in time
[14:25] <ScottL> if you can update -controls on a lucid install, it should be able to be merged into the code for maverick and then released
[14:25] <rlameiro> but, of course it can be developd in lucid, but needs testing on MM
[14:25] <rlameiro> yeap
[14:25] <ScottL> then an SRU can be filed to get it released into lucid still during maverick's development
[14:25] <rlameiro> thats tha
[14:26] <rlameiro> thats it, so we can push it to lucid also :D
[14:26] <rlameiro> thats what i wanted to know :D
[14:26] <ScottL> oh good :)
[14:27] <ScottL> hopefully you can make the rtprio, memlock, and nice changes, they get reviewed and testing in lucid, and then an MM ISO is available to test as well
[14:28] <ScottL> then we can merge the code for MM
[14:28] <ScottL> afk a few minutes
[14:28] <rlameiro> ok
[14:58] <rlameiro> ScottL: ok, i just removed nice from UScontrols
[14:58] <ScottL> rlameiro, sorry had to finish a blog post before the family woke up    http://dullass.blogspot.com/
[14:59] <ScottL> good :)
[14:59] <rlameiro> i changed the file were writ the memlock, but there is already info on mine
[15:00] <ScottL> rlameiro, did you just remove the code or did you comment them out?  i think i would advocate commenting them out for the time being
[15:00] <rlameiro> the instllation process of jack already does some stuff, so i need to make something to check for the actuall state of the file, or it will addin one more line
[15:00] <rlameiro> i removed it
[15:00] <ScottL> yes, that is true
[15:00] <rlameiro> but its not important
[15:00] <rlameiro> its only mu branch
[15:00] <ScottL> we have the old code still so it's not that big of a concern
[15:00] <rlameiro> after i make a diff and commnet out the original
[15:01] <ScottL> rlameiro, it's time for me to go, i have to wake up son and get him ready for us to go out into town
[15:01] <rlameiro> also, there is a commented line with a nice setting /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[15:02] <rlameiro> go go
[15:02] <ScottL> rlameiro,  ciao, i always enjoy talking with you
[15:02] <rlameiro> have a good time
[15:02] <rlameiro> mee to :D
[20:13] <rlameiro> hi again
[20:14] <rlameiro> ScottL: i just reconfigured jack, using $dpkg-reconfigure -p high jackd and it added memlock unlimited, and rtprio 99
[20:14] <rlameiro> both to @audio
[20:14] <rlameiro> so, i dont know, why do need ubuntustudio controls for the moment...
[20:15] <rlameiro> besides enabling firewire
[20:16] <rlameiro> crimsun_: I would love if you could clarify some things avout the audio setup at the moment
[20:17] <rlameiro> as i want to push ASAP a modified version of ubuntustudio controls for the 10.04.1


[00:28] <JackFrost> Alrighty, test building then will push.
[00:30] <JackFrost> I: pybuild base:217: python3.7 setup.py clean → ValueError: Namespace Gtk not available, E: pybuild pybuild:341: clean: plugin distutils failed with: exit code=1: python3.7 setup.py clean
[00:32] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Introducing some ping for the catfish ftbfs due to cleaning errors.
[00:32] <bluesabre> D:
[00:32] <bluesabre> pybuild gets more and more strict every year
[00:34] <JackFrost> FWIW, this also fails on bionic chroot. :>
[01:00] <bluesabre> :\
[01:01] <bluesabre> JackFrost: what's the build process? I don't think I've ever seen my packages run clean
[01:01] <JackFrost> dpkg-buildpackage -nc -sa -S && sudo DIST=unstable pbuilder build ../catfish*dsc  is what I do.
[01:01] <JackFrost> debuild -tc -sa -S  if using the current system.
[01:02] <bluesabre> shew, that's different than what I've been doing
[01:03] <JackFrost> ...What *have* you been doing?
[01:04] <JackFrost> Note: normally I'd do pdebuild, but due to the clean target that won't work, so I use -n(o)c(lean) so it doesn't run that.
[01:05] <bluesabre> `gbp buildpackage` or `debuild -S -sa && pbuilder-dist eoan build ../*.dsc`
[01:05] <JackFrost> That latter one should certainly equate to my command.
[01:06] <bluesabre> Running now for a sanity check
[01:07] <bluesabre> Well, how about that
[01:07] <bluesabre> Wonder what changed :\
[01:08] <bluesabre> I wonder if python-gi-dev stopped pulling some important bits
[01:08] <JackFrost> +from catfish_lib.catfishconfig import __version__, __url__
[01:09] <bluesabre> ahhhh
[01:09] <JackFrost> That's a random guess.
[01:09] <bluesabre> Probably a good one
[01:10] <bluesabre> Welp, guess I have another catfish release to put together
[01:10] <JackFrost> git diff d140421e5cfffd94c41b574b3833ececab453ecd..30616bab0807a894def8d6d51f48aee3d95a6dec setup.py
[01:11] <bluesabre> Sorry for wasting your time JackFrost
[01:14] <JackFrost> bluesabre: That's OK.  I did get to confirm that, though.
[01:15] <JackFrost> You *could* just build-depend on them too. :3
[01:29] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Did you see the format that Corsac is now using for watchfiles, btw?
[01:30] <bluesabre> JackFrost: Nope, just saw the most recent one you were using
[01:30] <JackFrost> https://salsa.debian.org/xfce-team/desktop/xfce4-terminal/commit/01a5232d3eb408630fc85ca62c0d0caa1c6196e2
[01:31] <bluesabre> oh, that's nice


[12:03] <andreasn> kwwii, where in kde svn is the oxygen icons located exactly?
[12:39] <kwwii> andreasn: they moved them recently...let me check
[12:43] <kwwii> lol, I can't find them
[12:58] <andreasn> do you know someone who might know?
[13:05] <kwwii> someone in kubuntu-devel will know
[13:08] <kwwii> andreasn: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/oxygen-icons/
[13:09] <andreasn> ah, thanks
[13:09]  * kwwii is half-blind
[13:09] <thorwil> hi!
[13:09] <thorwil> kwwii: seen the wiki organizing proposal from John Baer?
[13:12] <thorwil> he also keeps editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/WikiDesign
[13:13] <thorwil> and it seems monitoring the wiki with that wildcard doesn't lead to notifications on page creation, but any edit is covered
[13:14] <kwwii> wow, just reading his emails now
[13:15] <kwwii> hrm, I don't agree with everything he's saying, but at least he is working on this stuff
[13:17] <elky> oh, i remember that name from when i was first getting involved with ubuntu...
[13:17] <elky> plenty of noise, very little signal iirc
[13:19] <kwwii> boah, I hate threads like this
[13:19] <kwwii> people should really try to keep their emails as short as possible
[13:20] <thorwil> sure. but no shorter :)
[13:23] <kwwii> :)
[13:47] <thorwil> Andrew was so nice to add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Archives/7.10
[14:07] <kwwii> thorwil: replied to your email
[14:07] <kwwii> Andrew?
[14:39] <_MMA_> Anyone *not* seeing the attached .PNGs come up? (clear your cache) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions
[14:42] <_MMA_> Just kinda, happened here. On multiple machines. I see the attachment text but no actual images.
[14:46]  * kwwii thinks you turned them off
[14:46]  * kwwii thinks you are using lynx and don't know it
[14:46] <_MMA_> hehe
[14:47] <thorwil> _MMA_: that happened to me on countdown banner submission page. randomly. sometimes a few images, sometimes all. could in some cases be solved by reloading
[14:47] <_MMA_> I did all of that. Locally anyway.
[14:49] <_MMA_> I think we might have too many images on the page.  Please make a short break reading the stuff you already got. When you restart doing requests AFTER that, slow down or you might get locked out for a longer time!
[14:50] <thorwil> yeah, know that one
[14:50] <thorwil> _MMA_: tell newz about it
[14:51] <_MMA_> I'll PM him in a bit. SHould be up soon.
[14:53] <kwwii> I'm talking to him anyway in another channel
[14:53] <_MMA_> k
[14:53] <newz2000> hi
[14:53] <thorwil> welcome newz2000 :)
[14:54] <kwwii> ta-da!
[14:56] <kwwii> I wonder who writes all this spam and if those who do feel a certain amount of competition as to comical aspects of the content
[15:02] <thorwil> what one is supposed to do, sitting on a large amount of amazing pills and lots of money that you need to transfer? ;)
[15:02] <_MMA_> :)
[15:02] <kwwii> ;)
[16:34] <thorwil> _MMA_: who was it again, asking for windows explorer style thumbnails on folders? http://zwabel.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/kde-for-painters/
[16:36] <_MMA_> thorwil: "starsunflower"
[16:36] <thorwil> hmm, absent
[16:37] <_MMA_> Now we can only hope some folks in GNOME follow suit.
[16:40] <thorwil> bwhahagrmpf
[16:47] <thorwil> allthough, maybe this will lead to the possibility of doing such things with little effort: http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2009/04/the-merge/
[16:59] <_MMA_> thorwil: I thought that was just a menu project?
[17:04] <_MMA_> Oh I see.
[17:05] <knome> _MMA_, answer for yer question: i *have* shown the art of xubuntu, but there hasn't been much going on since the last time i showed them.
[17:09] <_MMA_> knome: You really want to get more participation for Xubuntu, you *gotta* be active. Nobody is going to do it for you. Why have you not been more active here or on the list? Does Xbuntu not need the help?
[17:26] <_MMA_> Neat: http://ppa-search.appspot.com
[17:58] <knome> _MMA_, at the moment we don't need help, no.
[19:27] <_MMA_> kwwii: When you gonna fix this damn wallpaper? :)
[19:29] <kwwii> _MMA_: huh?
[19:30] <_MMA_> knome: Ok. Than best advise I can give for the fuuter of Xubuntu art if if you're going to lead, communication is very important if you want others involved. Not that it's the magic bullet but is needed to keep momentum going. Even after goals have been defined.
[19:30] <_MMA_> *goals/direction
[19:33] <knome> sure.
[19:44] <thorwil> just added Notes from the Karmic Koala Introduction to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic
[20:56] <thorwil> damn. http://www.nzetc.org/etexts/BeaLife/BeaLifeP022a.jpg
[20:59] <thorwil> good night! :)


[00:12] <mwhudson> oh apart from the fact that you can't chattr a symlink
[00:12] <mwhudson> oh well
[00:13] <sarnold> bummer. I liked that idea.
[00:13] <sarnold> are you at a point that you could install auditd and use auditctl to add a file watch?
[00:14] <mwhudson> it also appears that there is no debug shell on tty2 during oem-config
[00:14] <mwhudson> which makes everything else harder
[00:14] <sarnold> ow
[00:14] <mwhudson> i'm sure i fix that by mounting the image and screwing around in /lib/systemd though
[00:15] <mwhudson> +can
[00:26] <infinity> mwhudson: is_resolved_used() in netcfg-common.c is suspect, IMO.
[00:27] <infinity> char *path = realpath(RESOLV_FILE, NULL);
[00:27] <infinity> resolved_used = !strcmp(path, RESOLVED_FILE);
[00:27] <infinity> RESOLVED_FILE   "/run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf"
[00:28] <mwhudson> yeah i saw some stuff in there that didn't quite make sense
[00:28] <infinity> Oh, no.  That should work.
[00:28] <infinity> realpath() should resolve ../run to /run
[00:30] <infinity> mwhudson: I think it's something more subtle.  Like maybe it's being put in static config mode halfway through.
[00:30] <infinity> mwhudson: In mine, I noticed that after DHCP, it then asked me for a nameserver (which is very suspect).  Did you get the same there?
[00:30] <infinity> And I just hit enter, so then it had nothing to write to resolv.conf, thus giving me a blank one.
[00:30] <mwhudson> yeah istr that
[00:38] <mwhudson> er
[00:38] <infinity> Okay, I've stopped caring for today.
[00:38] <mwhudson> infinity: is the fact that /etc/resolv.conf is a _broken_ symlink when oem-config comes up likely to be relevant?
[00:38] <mwhudson> is it just that systemd-resolved isn't running, i wonder
[00:39] <infinity> mwhudson: Yeah, that's potentially relevant.
[00:40] <mwhudson> yeah that seems to have stopped it asking for a nameserver
[00:41] <mwhudson> (running systemctl start systemd-resolved in another tty)
[00:41] <infinity> Oh, is it just a unit ordering issue?
[00:41] <infinity> I imagine the oem-config systemd integration isn't heavily tested.
[00:41] <mwhudson> yeah
[00:41] <mwhudson> not so much an ordering as just nothing causing it to be started
[00:42] <mwhudson> afaict anyway
[00:43] <infinity> Well, yeah.  Same thing.
[00:43] <infinity> As in, the target needs some more stuff in Wants, probably.
[00:43] <mwhudson> yeah
[00:43] <infinity> If that's all it is, easy fix.
[00:49] <mwhudson> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/352792 ?
[00:51] <infinity> mwhudson: Tested and works?
[00:51] <mwhudson> infinity: no
[00:51] <mwhudson> infinity: lunch has a higher priority than that
[00:52] <mwhudson> infinity: but if it looks ok in spirit i can get onto that
[00:52] <infinity> mwhudson: Heh.  I'm in the middle of a fresh test install ehre.  I'll test it.
[00:52] <mwhudson> infinity: ok thanks!
[00:52]  * mwhudson lunches
[01:12] <mwhudson> oh ffs
[01:16] <sarnold> quick go grab a second lunch
[01:17]  * tsimonq2 passes mwhudson a Lunch™
[01:19] <mwhudson> heh
[01:21] <infinity> Oh FFS is right.  Apparently, one shouldn't reboot after installing oem-config if you don't prepare first..
[01:24] <infinity> Or maybe there's some other reason my boot is stalling...
[01:24] <infinity> Man, I hate computers.
[01:24] <infinity> Especially fake ones.
[01:25] <ehashman> my xubuntu VM is very confused by virtualbox display settings
[01:26] <ehashman> which apparently fails to set a display size so every time I log into it I get a System Error
[01:26] <infinity> I'm very confused by people using virtualbox.
[01:26] <ehashman> well, when your employer is like "plz install this rootkit to connect to the corporate VPN" and you're like "no", it's an option
[01:33] <mwhudson> infinity: earlier on, i installed, ran oem-prepare, shut the instance down.. and then promptly deleted the image
[01:33] <mwhudson> infinity: are you getting anywhere or is it worth me trying to test too?
[01:34] <infinity> mwhudson: I'm redoing an install (nearly done) to figure out why my last one decided it didn't like booting anymore.
[01:38] <mwhudson> uh ubiquity git tip ftbfs
[01:39] <infinity> mwhudson: Excellent.
[01:39] <mwhudson> because of lint
[01:39] <mwhudson> the best kind of ftbfs
[01:40] <infinity> That moment when you've set your VM's login to ubuntu/ubuntu and it takes you FOUR FRIGGIN TRIES TO TYPE IT CORRECTLY.
[01:41] <infinity> mwhudson: Pastebin the linty sadness?
[01:41] <mwhudson> ./tests/run-pyflakes
[01:41] <mwhudson> bin/ubiquity:100: 'termios' imported but unused
[01:41] <mwhudson> bin/ubiquity:100: 'termios' imported but unused
[01:41] <sarnold> man these ken thompson attacks are getting annoying.. time was you only got the extra prompts once
[01:41] <infinity> mwhudson: That's not tip.
[01:41] <infinity> mwhudson: Get current.
[01:42] <mwhudson> infinity: best is when you typo ubuntu twice the same way in the installer
[01:42] <infinity> ubnutu is how I usually (mis)type it.
[01:42] <infinity> In fact, the last commit to ubiquity is a fix of that. :P
[01:42] <mwhudson> ah wait
[01:42] <mwhudson> i'm on the bionic branch
[01:42] <infinity> Oh gross, was that committed to bionic too?
[01:43] <mwhudson> yeah and not reverted from there
[01:43]  * mwhudson has read git log now
[01:44] <tsimonq2> infinity: I was going to say... :P
[01:46] <infinity> mwhudson: Confirmed that the fix is full of tasty fixy goodness.  Merging.
[01:46] <mwhudson> infinity: thanks
[01:49] <mwhudson> infinity: how are ubiquity SRUs handled?
[01:50] <infinity> mwhudson: Expand that question?
[01:50] <mwhudson> infinity: well we want this fixed in bionic i presume
[01:51] <infinity> mwhudson: We do indeed.
[01:51] <mwhudson> do i need to do things to the bionic branch in git (like reverting that suspect commit?) or do i just get the source package from bionic, splat the fix in and upload it to unapproved?
[01:51] <mwhudson> and fiddle with the bug
[01:52] <infinity> mwhudson: Or submit an MP.
[01:52] <infinity> mwhudson: But I'm doing that revert first.
[01:53] <mwhudson> ah ok
[01:54] <infinity> mwhudson: There, bionic branch should look less poop now.
[01:57] <mwhudson> indeed
[01:58] <mwhudson> infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/352793
[01:59] <infinity> mwhudson: Ta.
[01:59] <infinity> mwhudson: Was there some sense of OMG urgency when this card landed in your lap, or can we let it sit there while we roll up a few more fixes?
[02:00] <mwhudson> infinity: that sounds like a question for someone who is on vacation or someone who is sick
[02:01] <infinity> mwhudson: Right, I'm going to call it not super urgent, then.
[02:01] <mwhudson> infinity: seems fair
[02:02] <infinity> mwhudson: iz merged, though.
[02:02] <mwhudson> infinity: thanks
[12:41] <seb128> is launchpad rendering weirdly/without images/formatting for others or is it just me?
[12:42] <infinity> seb128: Rollout issue, Colin's on the job.
[12:42] <seb128> k, thanks infinity
[12:43] <cjwatson> I forgot about the weird way that code and DB deployments both use the same intermediate tree so doing both at the same time results in bdaness
[12:43] <cjwatson> *badness
[12:48] <infinity> Ouch.
[12:58] <cjwatson> LP fixed
[13:00] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks!
[16:34] <Lord-Kamina> Hi. where does if_link.h come from?
[16:35] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ find /usr/include/ | grep if_link.h
[16:35] <stgraber> /usr/include/linux/if_link.h
[16:35] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~$ dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/if_link.h
[16:35] <stgraber> linux-libc-dev:amd64: /usr/include/linux/if_link.h
[16:37] <Lord-Kamina> Thank you.
[16:38] <Lord-Kamina> Can I just backport those headers or do I need to backport something else for them to work properly?
[16:41] <Lord-Kamina> Nevermind, thought they were a source package on their own.
[19:39] <seb128> xnox, can libzstd be synced now? looks like the delta you added was only for xenial upgrades?


[06:26] <oem> hi
[06:27] <oem> network:
[06:27] <oem>     version: 2
[06:27] <oem>     renderer: NetworkManager
[06:27] <oem>     ethernets:
[06:27] <oem>         eth0:
[06:27] <oem>           dhcp4: no
[06:27] <oem>     wifis:
[06:27] <oem>        wlan0:
[06:27] <oem>         dhcp4: yes
[06:27] <oem>         optional: true
[06:27] <oem>         access-points:
[06:27] <oem>           "Ground_flore":
[06:27] <oem>              auth:
[06:27] <oem>                key-management: psk
[06:27] <oem>                password: "PiFi12Pi"
[06:28] <oem>              mode: ap
[06:28] <oem>     bridges:
[06:28] <oem>        br0:
[06:28] <oem>          interfaces:
[06:28] <oem>            - eth0
[06:28] <oem>            - wlan0
[06:28] <oem>          addresses:
[06:28] <oem>            - <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[06:28] <oem> How do I configure netplan for wifi AP mode?


[09:23] <jrib> vakosel: hi
[09:23] <vakosel> hi
[09:23] <jrib> less traffic here
[09:23] <vakosel> how you highlithgt your name?
[09:23] <jrib> ok, paste what this command returns:
[09:23] <vakosel> grrrr
[09:24] <jrib> vakosel: just, type "jr" then press tab button
[09:24] <jrib> vakosel: ok, paste what this command returns:  apt-cache policy wine
[09:25] <vakosel> jrib,  Installed: (none)
[09:25] <vakosel>   Candidate: 0.9.9-0ubuntu2
[09:25] <vakosel>   Version table:
[09:25] <vakosel>      0.9.9-0ubuntu2 0
[09:25] <vakosel>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[09:25] <jrib> it seems to be available to you
[09:25] <jrib> just type:  sudo aptitude install wine
[09:25] <vakosel> why though synaptic manager cant find it?
[09:26] <jrib> vakosel: it should
[09:26] <vakosel> lol
[09:26] <jrib> maybe press "reload"?
[09:26] <vakosel> ok tell you what i did
[09:26] <vakosel> i added  dapper, updates, security,backports and checked everything inside and then reload
[09:27] <vakosel> from repositories tab
[09:27] <vakosel> main , restricted, univ, multiv
[09:27] <jrib> ok, then you hit "search" button and entered "wine"?
[09:27] <vakosel> yeap
[09:28] <vakosel> nothing returned which is strange because yesterday when i tried edgy workex
[09:28] <vakosel> worked
[09:29] <vakosel> jrib, maybe has to do with the address?
[09:29] <jrib> what address?
[09:29] <vakosel> where looks for packages
[09:30] <jrib> well if aptitude finds it, then so should synaptic
[09:30] <vakosel> let me check
[09:30] <vakosel> found it and dl it
[09:31] <vakosel> jrib, forgive me because i dont know much but i will
[09:31] <jrib> so you have wine now?
[09:32] <vakosel> yes
[09:32] <vakosel> lol
[09:32] <jrib> great, don't drink too much :)
[09:32] <vakosel> by the way i am kostas from greece ! thx for the help and for your time!
[09:33] <vakosel> and i wont drink  too much :)
[09:33] <vakosel> my repositories are setup ok though?


[02:19] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[02:21] <waltman> JonathanD: You've really got to restart your ntpd.
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> I just woke up
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> I was napping. I'm pretty sure it isn't morning yet.
[02:21] <JonathanD> waltman: tring to get a jump on tuesday, ya know.
[02:21] <JonathanD> We got back from camping tonight.
[02:22] <waltman> Did you get to break in your new bearlight?
[02:22] <JonathanD> Nope
[02:22] <JonathanD> left it here
[02:22] <waltman> oh noes!
[02:23] <JonathanD> only 5 losses though.
[02:23] <waltman> Did anyone die of dissentary, or was it all the bears?
[02:24] <JonathanD> just bears.
[02:24] <JonathanD> and one fording the river.
[02:25] <teddy-dbear> I'm still here :-D
[02:31] <waltman> teddy-dbear: your belly looks a lot fatter!
[02:31] <teddy-dbear> thank you
[02:32] <teddy-dbear> it's all the chocolate and cookies :-D
[02:32] <waltman> and campers!
[02:32] <teddy-dbear> not me :P
[02:35] <InHisName> just the bear neccessities
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> yeah, cookies and candy :-[
[02:37] <waltman> and picinic baskets
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> and cake too
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> only if they have some of the above
[03:04] <InHisName> Old neccessities:  salmon, fish, honey, nuts, berries
[03:05] <InHisName> and if you're a grizzly    wild acting campers
[03:23] <waltman> I think bearlights might be edible if you add enough ketchup
[04:06] <InHisName> nom nom
[12:00] <rmg51> JonathanD:  must be sleeping in
[12:00] <rmg51> so in his place....
[12:00] <rmg51> Good Morning Pa. :-D
[12:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:03] <JonathanD> hi rmg51 :P
[12:17] <rmg51> hi and bye
[12:17] <rmg51> time for work
[12:58] <jthan> What do we all use to track website visitors and usage statistics?
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> magic :-D
[13:04] <teddy-dbear> dang 11.04
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> just doesn't like to come out of hibernation right
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> time to log out to set things right
[13:47] <InHisName> quick logout & turnaround
[13:52] <andrew> mroning
[14:12] <InHisName> Good morning, andrew
[14:17] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:17] <andrew> morning
[14:17] <teddy-dbear> morning all
[14:31] <erstazi> morning *
[14:31] <erstazi> the kernel is now at 3.0rc1.
[14:32] <erstazi> waiting for the ppa to complete the build then I am going to grab it. (the mainline ppa is much quicker than compiling my own these days)
[19:11] <InHisName> erstazi: what kernel?   something to do with ubuntu or virtualbox or ???
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here using Cyanogen?
[19:47] <waltman> All the cool kids?
[19:47] <PennBot> I guess All the cool kids are doing it, waltman
[19:48] <waltman> as I thought!
[19:52] <jthan> Hey - cell phones cause cancer
[19:56] <teddy-dbear> bunk :-/
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> waltman: are you using it?
[20:00] <waltman> I don't think it works on my iPhone :)
[20:00] <ChinnoDog> But, all the cool kids are doing it
[20:00] <waltman> some friends on another channel have been talking about it
[20:01]  * waltman isn't cool :(
[20:01] <jthan> ChinnoDog: are you using it?
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> Not yet
[20:01] <jthan> "not yet"
[20:01] <jthan> that's like telling all the girls you've got a convertible on the way
[20:01] <jthan> It /almost/ impresses them.
[20:01] <jthan> but then they call your bluff
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> My phone is getting slow and my battery life sucks. I am considering installing Cyanogen for better battery life and so I can monitor/adjust performance characteristics
[20:01] <jthan> I always wondered why stuff just "got slow"
[20:01] <jthan> Macs do that
[20:01] <jthan> they run great for a year
[20:02] <jthan> then they just "get slow"
[20:02] <jthan> waltman: ^ can you relate?
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> Different operating systems do it for different reasons
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> There is too much stuff going on in the background on android. It might not be CPU/IO priority controlled because it causes the system to lag
[20:02] <waltman> jthan: yes
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> There is also too much network traffic I think, but there isn't an easy way to control that
[20:02] <waltman> jthan: I
[20:03] <waltman> jthan: ...
[20:03] <waltman> jthan: can
[20:03] <jthan> waltman: do you know a solution?
[20:03] <waltman> Oh, I thought you meant was *I* getting slow!
[20:03] <jthan> I find it's a hardware thing, honestly. I can reinstall until my heart is content, never seems to be the same as when you buy it
[20:03] <ChinnoDog> If my phone were rooted I would try lowering the priority of the background process
[20:03] <jthan> Lolol
[20:03] <jthan> waltman: You're only as old as you feel, sir.
[20:04] <waltman> In this heat, I feel pretty damn old.
[20:05] <erstazi> InHisName: linux kernel
[20:05] <waltman> My theory on osx is that some of the recent snow leopard updates have increased memory usage leading to more paging
[20:05] <waltman> true on my iphone, too
[20:05] <waltman> well, true that I think it
[20:06] <erstazi> jthan: "not clearly established that it does cause cancer in humans"
[20:06] <waltman> iphone performance can be helped a little by killing some apps you're not using
[20:06] <jthan> Yeah - I kill mine each night before bed, and then each morning I reboot the phone
[20:07] <jthan> Maybe it's in my head, but I feel like I do better battery and performance wise that way
[20:07] <waltman> seriously?
[20:07] <PennBot> I am serious. And don't call me Shirley
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> A study this past February by the National
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> Institute of Health did find that cell phones
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> do impact brain activity, but do not cause
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> cancer.
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> lol. scheduled iPhone reboot
[20:07] <erstazi> teddy-dbear: haha
[20:07] <jthan> erstazi: I know, I know. I don' necesarily buy it myself, but I was just making controversial remarks :-P
[20:07] <erstazi> jthan: I know, and it is funny
[20:08] <erstazi> InHisName: and I mean the linux kernel when I talk about 3.0-rc1
[20:08] <jthan> waltman: ChinnoDog: Yeah, really. I don't know if it's just me, or what.. but my iPhone 4 doesn't last me until bed time whilst using 3G
[20:08] <erstazi> recently, I upgraded to a new kernel for my n900 and the battery life last much longer
[20:08] <jthan> Lots of times I drop it down to EDGE
[20:08] <erstazi> I could go 24 hours and it barely used 1/4 battery
[20:08] <waltman> depends what I'm doing on it
[20:08] <erstazi> but still wifi sucks the battery
[20:09] <jthan> WiFi /saves/ battery, sir.
[20:09] <jthan> :-P
[20:09] <erstazi> I don't have it on "intermediate mode" though. I would get better performance with that but I noticed too many dropped packages when using "intermediate mode" because I use WPA2.
[20:09] <erstazi> jthan: right, compared to 3G
[20:09] <jthan> Yes.
[20:10] <jthan> ssweeny: were you the crazy guy with the freerunner?
[20:10] <ssweeny> jthan, i have one, yeah
[20:10] <jthan> Still using it, then..
[20:10] <jthan> ?
[20:11] <erstazi> ssweeny: do you have a Neo 1973? or the Neo FreeRunner?
[20:11] <waltman> You know what really sucks the battery life dry?  Angry Birds.
[20:11] <erstazi> waltman: yep
[20:12] <erstazi> I play that a lot on my n900 (or my son does)
[20:12] <erstazi> he loves that game
[20:12] <jthan> lol. Oh boy
[20:12] <jthan> I like tiny wings way better
[20:12] <jthan> much more mindless
[20:12] <erstazi> haha
[20:13] <erstazi> isn't that based on wavespark?
[20:14] <jthan> yes, kinda.
[20:14]  * ssweeny has a freerunner and n900
[20:14] <jthan> It's more of an "inspiration"
[20:14] <ssweeny> should be easy to guess which one i use daily
[20:14] <erstazi> ssweeny: what kernel are you running?
[20:14] <erstazi> s/kernel/kernel version/
[20:14] <ssweeny> erstazi, on which?
[20:15] <erstazi> ssweeny: both
[20:15] <erstazi> both are debian
[20:15] <ssweeny> n900 is 2.6.28
[20:16] <ssweeny> don't remember what the freerunner uses but it's probably close
[20:16]  * erstazi is using <IP_ADDRESS>power42 but is thinking of upgrading to <IP_ADDRESS>power47.
[20:16] <erstazi> the free hotspotting is nice.
[20:16]  * ssweeny hasn't updated his freerunner in 18 months or so
[20:16] <erstazi> btw, t-mobile has a non-contract plan of $50 a month for unlimited talk, unlimited text, and unlimited web (3G).
[20:17] <erstazi> the deal is with the web, you have up to 100mb of 4G then it goes down to 3G. but with the n900 you only have 3G (unless you mod it).
[20:17] <jthan> 100mb..
[20:18] <jthan> that lasts.. a day?
[20:18] <erstazi> jthan: but you don't have 4G with the n900 (;
[20:18] <jthan> Sure, but if you did...
[20:18] <erstazi> so it is unlimited regardless
[20:18] <erstazi> jthan: right but that is at least a step forward toward how Europe's rates are (:
[20:18] <jthan> Why bother with the 100mb of 4g? :-P
[20:19] <erstazi> jthan: I don't bother with it because I cannot use it (: haha
[20:19] <jthan> How is multitasking with Maemo?
[20:19] <jthan> Does it suspend apps, or truly run them in the background?
[20:20] <erstazi> jthan: quite good even before overclocking my phone
[20:20] <erstazi> jthan: it does run them in the background
[20:20] <erstazi> I did overclock it to 1.15(??) Ghz but didn't want to do that high. didn't do anything wrong but was afraid of damaging it.
[20:21] <erstazi> but I brought it back down to I think 860? I am not sure
[20:21] <jthan> Default is?
[20:21] <erstazi> even at the default 600mhz, it is "snappy" but you see a difference when overclocking at the 'ideal' config
[20:21] <jthan> Gotcha.
[20:22] <erstazi> just wish that there was more ram
[20:22] <jthan> Just wish it worked with AT&T ;-)
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: it does
[20:22] <jthan> or.. at least their 3G
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: it does
[20:22] <jthan> ooooh boy
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: you can use CDMA or GSM with the N900
[20:23] <erstazi> jthan: I had AT&T with 3G on it and then when my contract ended with AT&T, I switched to T-Mobile's non-contract plan. it is the best deal, honestly.
[20:23] <erstazi> contract plans are a joke in the U.S.
[20:23] <jthan> how do you install software on it?
[20:23] <jthan> I'm being a pain, probably. I could look this up :-P
[20:24] <erstazi> jthan: well, it is debian-based so you can choose from a selection of GUI application managers (one built in or installer 2 others) or use apt-get or aptitude
[20:24] <jthan> and can you just put anything on it you want?
[20:24] <erstazi> yes
[20:24] <erstazi> personally, I like Faster Application Manager.
[20:24] <erstazi> but I use aptitude a lot
[20:25] <erstazi> you will see a lot of n900's for about $600 but I paid $200 for mine, brand new.
[20:25] <jthan> How'd you get it so cheap?
[20:25] <erstazi> ebay, some guy didn't list the phone right and it was brand new in the box. it was listed as brand new but he messed up the listing badly.
[20:25] <jthan> Lucky.
[20:26] <erstazi> yep
[20:26] <erstazi> and he even sent me an extra charger for free.
[20:27] <jthan> Anyway.. Pays me to stick with AT&T.  I'm on my dad's family plan so my voice is 10 bucks, data is another 25
[20:28] <erstazi> that's not bad
[20:28] <erstazi> but with competition, rates will go down
[20:28] <erstazi> what is the temp in SE PA?
[20:29] <jthan> 90 in bethlehem
[20:30] <erstazi> nice
[20:30] <erstazi> it is 90 here in Erie
[20:33] <andrew> It's 92 here in WC
[20:38] <ssweeny> 91 in pittsburgh
[20:42] <andrew> So... just had a bug crawing around inside an LCD screen
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> haha
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> How did you debug your LCD?
[20:49] <erstazi> andrew: seriously?
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> It must have been a pretty flat bug to be able to fit in there
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> Maybe a silverfish?
[20:52]  * ChinnoDog imagines black silverfish outline moving across his LCD
[20:55] <andrew> ChinnoDog: blurry photo on facebook/the twitter
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> That bug must be blind by now
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> Maybe you can blow it out with a can of air.
[21:06] <andrew> It stopped moving :-/
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> uh oh. It crawled back there and died
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> .. or your squished it by accident
[21:08] <ChinnoDog> On the plus side, if it died and the heat from the monitor bakes it until it is nice and crispy you might be able to shake it out
[21:12] <teddy-dbear> do bots eat bugs?
[21:13] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: bugs?
[21:13] <PennBot> bugs are animals and I like animals, ChinnoDog
[21:13] <teddy-dbear> andrew: bugs?