[04:09] <pitti> Good morning
[04:35] <xnox> pitti: i didn't go to sleep yet =/ i guess i should =)
[04:37] <pitti> xnox: eek; yes indeed :)
[07:39] <infinity> doko: Removing libmudflap0 made libmudflap0-4.4-dev, libmudflap0-4.6-dev, libmudflap0-4.7-dev uninstallible.
[11:20] <cjwatson> barry: Any objection to me syncing python-wsgi-intercept from Debian over the top of our entirely Ubuntu-local wsgi-intercept source package?  debdiff is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6381487/
[12:42] <seb128> jpds, hey, I saw you did some redshift uploads today, could you check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift/+bug/868904 (it's in the sponsoring queue)?
[12:43] <jpds> seb128: Oh, that'd be marrusl's patch.
[12:44] <jpds> seb128: Yeah, I'll add that in.
[12:44] <seb128> jamespage, hey, could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/981269? you wrote on it a while ago saying you would handle it and unsubscribed sponsors, it's back in the sponsoring queue ... is that still on your list?
[12:44] <seb128> jpds, thanks
[12:53] <seb128> slangasek, xnox, infinity, cjwatson: hey, is there any chance you guys could look at the sponsoring queue a bit? The red items are mostly stuff desktop doesn't feel competent enough to review (sysvinit, debian-installed, efitbootmgr, acpi-support, partman-base, ...)
[12:54] <seb128> smoser, jamespage: same for server stuff, you guys have horizon/cloud-init/mysql stuff in there
[12:54] <cjwatson> The partman-base one is probably mine, I'll try to look today
[12:54] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[12:54] <cjwatson> Part of a gigantic bug of doom
[12:56] <seb128> cjwatson, xnox, https://code.launchpad.net/~srwarren/debian-installer/tegra/+merge/175967 ... do you have any recommendation on who would be right for review?
[12:56] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: FYI, I'm going to release an openssh security update for saucy today for http://www.openssh.com/txt/gcmrekey.adv
[12:56] <xnox> seb128: i'd say infinity
[12:56] <seb128> infinity, ^? ;-)
[12:56] <seb128> xnox, thanks
[12:57] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: do you want me to do the trusty upload also, or shall I wait?
[12:59] <brainwash> pitti: just curious, wouldn't it be possible to push your systemd-shim package into proposed? it fixes the issue for most users already
[13:00] <barry> cjwatson: go for it!
[13:02] <cjwatson> seb128: yeah, that's an infinity one
[13:02] <cjwatson> mdeslaur: go ahead; I was just in the process of chasing up http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=722970 so I can do the update to 6.3 ...
[13:02] <rbasak> seb128: jamespage is at ODS this week.
[13:02] <cjwatson> barry: done, thanks
[13:02] <mdeslaur> cjwatson: thanks...oh, you might want to update to 6.4 :)
[13:02] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[13:02] <seb128> rbasak, ok, thanks
[13:03] <cjwatson> mdeslaur: well, either one :)
[13:03] <cjwatson> need to avoid the regression in fail2ban either way
[13:23] <seb128> slangasek, bdrung: how do we move forward on https://code.launchpad.net/~vorlon/ubuntu-packaging-guide/dont-recommend-packaging-dev/+merge/192244 (that's in the sponsoring queue ... should it be there, or should we mark it Work in progress to get it out of the queue? (seems it's a discussion between concerned parties rather a sponsoring request)
[13:36] <bdrung> seb128: i think we should raise it to the wider audience or we should adjust the text to reflect that _some_ developers prefer to use packaging-dev and others selective installations of tools
[13:37] <seb128> bdrung, seems like moving the discussion to ubuntu-devel@ could be a good idea there?
[13:37] <bdrung> seb128: yes
[14:13] <seb128> xnox, do you need sponsoring for https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/ubuntu-dev-tools/fix-series-alias-lookups/+merge/191700 ? can't you just upload?
[14:14] <xnox> seb128: i need code review, sensibility check, et al. I'm not "ubuntu-dev-tools" upstream.
[14:14] <seb128> xnox, who is upstream for those?
[14:14] <xnox> seb128: and i think it got rejected on irc, setting the status appropriately.
[14:15] <seb128> xnox, thanks
[14:15] <xnox> seb128: well: who-uploads ubuntu-dev-tools
[14:15] <xnox> seb128: mostly bdrung
[14:15] <xnox> seb128: in general if a core-dev requests code-review, there are $reasons =)
[14:16] <seb128> xnox, yeah, but stuff sit in the sponsoring queue for months, it would be nice if people were a bit more active seeking for reviews when that happens
[14:32] <psusi> according to the man page for dpkg-source, you have to specify --abort-on-upstream-changes to have it do so, but it seems to be on by default... why is this and how do you turn it off?
[14:37] <psusi> ( and it isn't in debian/source/local-options... in fact there is no debian/source )
[14:38] <xnox> psusi: typically i add files to ignore which are modified/regenerated at build time. Or add them to debian/clean, such that they are always removed.
[14:38] <xnox> psusi: are you sure it's the only warning? maybe there are errors, such as unrepresentable changes in diff.
[14:38] <xnox> psusi: please paste full error.
[14:38] <psusi> that's the one
[14:39] <psusi> I'm trying to rebuild the source package from the debian git repo for util-linux... let me get it up again
[14:40] <xnox> psusi: git repository is not a valid source package format =)
[14:40] <xnox> psusi: thus i'm not sure why you think "dpkg-source manpage" is at fault here ;-)
[14:41] <psusi> xnox: because this is how lamont maintains the package... debianised in the git repo
[14:42] <psusi> so you must be able to build the source package from there but it seems to complain that there have been upstream changes
[14:42] <xnox> psusi: locally I have source/format "1.0" defined in util-linux package. So i'd guess you have unrepresentable changes in your tree somehow.
[14:42] <psusi> well yea, that's intentional
[14:44] <psusi> ohh I see, that's just a warning... the real error is the unrepresentable changes... hrm...
[14:44] <lamont> psusi: git clone, and then debian/rules autofiles; debuild "$@"
[14:45] <psusi> pfft.. it's trying to include the .git direcotry
[14:46] <lamont> debuild -I.git
[14:46] <xnox> lamont: i think the changelog is dated. As 2.19 tags are merged, yet changelog is still at 2.17.
[14:46] <lamont> xnox: ON WHAT BRANCH
[14:46]  * xnox tried fetching a tarball matching the changelog, how naive
[14:47] <lamont> xnox: master is so totally irrelevant to anything
[14:47] <xnox> lamont: ok. It's just what $ debcheckout util-linux
[14:47] <xnox> gave me.
[14:47] <psusi> lamont: would be nice to delete it then and set the HEAD to something sane ;)
[14:48] <lamont> debcheckout... I can sort of tell what that command is going to try based on the name...
[14:49] <xnox> lamont: as per debian policy Vcs-git should point to packaging repository, there is no syntax agreed on specifying packaging brach, thus it is expected for HEAD to point to something packaging-like. =)
[14:49] <lamont> xnox: that makes sense, sort of
[14:49] <xnox> lamont: anyway, i'll go away and do my thing. But you certainly placed enough hoops =)))) to make sure that one knows what they are doing, when touching it ;-)
[14:49] <xnox> which is good =)
[14:49] <lamont> git branch -l -a <-- pretty much tells the tale
[14:51] <psusi> debuild -I.git is not working, it's still trying to include .git
[14:51] <xnox> lamont: is the remote repository up to date? git tag --list | grep v2.20, gives me nothing.
[14:52] <xnox> lamont: yet you did upload 2.20.1-5
[14:52] <psusi> the git url in the control file is also wrong ;)
[14:52] <psusi> seems debian migrated the git repo and the web browser link auto forwards you
[14:52] <psusi> the correct url is now git://anonscm.debian.org/users/lamont/util-linux.git
[14:55] <xnox> psusi: right, I see. yeah, now i get v2.21 and v2.20 et al.
[14:58] <lamont> clearly, benevolent neglect is failing here.
[16:04] <cjwatson> Ooh, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725767
[16:04] <cjwatson> And it's safely removable from Ubuntu too
[16:48] <xnox> it's the end of an era.
[17:14] <cjwatson> slangasek: If you managed to find time to merge isdnutils, we could remove automake1.7 and the kitten quotient would increase
[17:24] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[17:29] <fishor> hello devs. are there any way to connect hardware database with bug reports in launchpad? I working on atheros ath9k-htc firmware and it is hard to find related bugs. Mostly they are reported per factory name, not per driver or related chip
[17:30] <sladen> fishor: try ogra_, who used to look after it a (long, long) time agin
[17:30] <sladen> ago
[17:31] <sladen> fishor: ogra_ might be able to tell you who took over the baton
[17:31] <fishor> ogra_, ping
[17:31] <fishor> sladen, "took over the baton"?
[17:32] <fishor> sladen, do you means this functionality or this hardware?
[17:34] <ogra_> sladen, fishor i have had nothing to do with the hardware database in 4 years or so ...
[17:34] <ogra_> i only wrote the initial stuff for it about 8 years ago
[17:35] <ogra_> afaik it is called checkbox today ... and there should be a LP team ...
[17:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: regarding bug 1193509 apport-checkreports does kind of print the crash file name
[17:35] <fishor> ogra_, how about custom search with email notification?
[17:36] <cjwatson> IIRC the old hwdb is scheduled for removal from LP
[17:36] <ogra_> yeah
[17:36] <ogra_> its dead since ages
[17:36] <slangasek> bdmurray: ah, so we could check that $MATCH is in the list?
[17:37] <ogra_> fishor, i dont know anything about checkbox or whatever the new hwdb is (if there is even any)
[17:37] <bdmurray> slangasek: well its a truncation of the filename - print(r.split('.')[0].split('_')[-1])
[17:38] <bdmurray> but that could probably be fixed
[17:40] <fishor> ogra_, are there any good way to help finding bugs related to some chip or project?  For example "TP-Link TL-WN821N" and "TP-Link TL-WN822N" and so on ... may have differiert  HW insight
[17:40] <slangasek> bdmurray: or we could do the same truncation on $MATCH for matching purposes, maybe?  but yeah, that seems like a good approach
[17:40] <fishor> mostly they are never reported upstream
[17:41] <fishor> since i work on this HW i would like to find some one who can report enough information.
[17:42] <bdmurray> fishor: if this is something collected by apport when bugs are reported you might find it in bug descriptions or probably in attachments of bugs reported by apport.  You could then log for bug reports with this information.
[17:42] <bdmurray> s/log/look/
[17:42] <fishor> for now i just take a list from wikidevi and search for device names,
[17:42] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay thanks
[17:43] <fishor> bdmurray, first i need to find related bugs - it is already problematic
[17:43] <fishor> then, apport usually do not provide information i need
[17:45] <fishor> we know there is some crasher in our fimware, it seems to be related to some spesial conditions or access points, but till now, no one provided information we need
[17:47] <slangasek> cjwatson: blah, how did I ever become TIL for isdnutils
[17:48] <fishor> is it possible to extend apport or ubuntu-bug, to help gether wireless related information?
[17:48] <cjwatson> slangasek: ... or get somebody in Germany (who therefore cares) to do it :-)
[17:48] <slangasek> oh, I see how, I multiarcheded it
[17:50] <bdmurray> fishor: apport when used to report a bug about the linux package collects lsusb information - this is a usb device right?
[17:50] <fishor> yes
[17:51] <bdmurray> so you could find people with this hardware if that's what you want to do
[17:55] <fishor> uff, i just found the reason why it was not enough results with ath9k_htc. For some reason they are reported as ath9k_usb
[18:00] <fishor> bdmurray,  here is one example, Bug #1049383  it is still imposible to get needed information :(
[18:01] <fishor> but is is probably not new for you :)
[18:01] <slangasek> cjwatson: isdnutils hasn't been merged with Debian since feisty; this is going to take a while
[18:03] <bdmurray> fishor: you might look at bugs reported about network-manager by apport as that would contain some of the wireless information you asked for in comment #7
[18:11] <fishor> bdmurray,  suddenly there is no results for network-manager + ar9271 or ar7010, nor ath9k_htc or usb
[18:12] <fishor> may be there is any
[18:14] <bdmurray> Did you also check expired bugs?
[18:25] <fishor> bdmurray, no results. but thank you for the tip
[18:35] <hyperair> so upower -d shows can-suspend: no, but pm-is-supported --suspend shows that it is supported (exit code 0) and pm-suspend does work.
[18:35] <hyperair> what gives?
[18:35] <dave_>
[18:36] <hyperair> ?
[18:45] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, are you (or somebody else in foundations) looking at debugging https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1024590? it's ranked 1 in e.u.c daily issues now that the hud and some other ones got resolved
[18:45] <seb128> in fact update-manager has the 1 and 3 (and 2 is fixed so going to drop in the list)
[18:46] <seb128> dobey, hey, are you looking at the s-c issues on e.u.c? It's having the 7-8-12-17 entries there
[18:47] <seb128> ev, ^ 7-8 are failed retracing, anything we could do to have a that fixed? (e.g who has access to the e.u.c retracers to debug retracing issues?)
[18:50] <bdmurray> seb128: I got as far as I could with bug 1024590 - could use some help from glatzor or mvo...
[18:52] <dobey> seb128: the failed retrace ones are the webkit2 issue
[18:52] <seb128> bdmurray, I tried to ping mvo this morning without success
[18:52] <seb128> dobey, I doubt it, there is no webkit in the filenames
[18:53] <dobey> seb128: the partial trace that is there includes cairo, which is where the webkit crash is happening
[18:53] <seb128> shrug
[18:53] <seb128> dobey, I opened an upstream bug on webkit but nobody replied ... did you get any luck trying to debug it?
[18:54] <dobey> and i can't view the list of crashes on errors.ubuntu.com, unless i select a specific package so the 7-8-12-17 numbers mean nothing to me
[18:55] <dobey> seb128: no i don't have time to try and debug webkit
[18:56] <seb128> dobey, e.u.c doesn't work for you? (you say you can't see the list)
[18:56] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/eb9f7ebe2cb2dbf7d79986d38e2d000bb4bfaf04
[18:56] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/ddf3377b6988d948653e94fa421be8d713a624fc
[18:57] <dobey> seb128: if i tell it to display all binary packages it just says "No data to display"
[18:57] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/94f7beb32c9a9172de3f9281691510762d655d47
[18:57] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8a013246d3c6a42c90701932a3a8d4dfde51af89
[18:57] <dobey> seb128: if i select only software-center, it displays only software-center
[18:57] <seb128> dobey, what if you load https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2013.10&period=day ?
[18:57] <dobey> that seems to have loaded
[18:57] <seb128> but the table is empty?
[18:58] <dobey> not on that link, no
[18:58] <dobey> although the numbers don't exactly line up with the ones you mentioned
[19:00] <seb128> weird, dunno about that
[19:00] <dobey> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/8a013246d3c6a42c90701932a3a8d4dfde51af89 looks like a bug in libmenu?
[19:00] <seb128> but yeah, changing the combo doesn't always work
[19:00] <seb128> could be
[19:01] <dobey> or gnome-menus or whatever it's called
[19:20] <bdrung> xnox, seb128: everyone can commit changes to ubuntu-dev-tools, but only a few developers do the upload to debian.
[19:23] <bdrung> xnox, seb128: re the sponsoring request: i am not that familiar with this code segment. so the requested change could be what we want. a test case would be nice.
[20:10] <slangasek> cjwatson: wow, the isdnutils merge is mind-bogglingly bad, somewhere along the way someone added a dpatch build-dep to the package in Ubuntu :p
[20:11] <stgraber> slangasek: do we actually have any remotely useful delta on that one?
[20:12] <slangasek> stgraber: how can I know the answer to that before merging it? ;)
[20:12] <stgraber> slangasek: by reading the very well maintained and readable changelog? :)
[20:12] <tumbleweed> does hardware supported by that package still exist?
[20:12] <slangasek> heh
[20:13] <stgraber> tumbleweed: I'm pretty sure I still have an ISDN PCI card somewhere, not that I've used it in the last decade ;)
[20:14] <slangasek> stgraber: there's some stuff, it may be mostly merged into Debian but it's different enough I can't be sure yet
[20:15] <infinity> slangasek: I assume you're tearing out the dpatch bits as you merge?
[20:15] <slangasek> "tearing out" would be too gentle
[20:24] <infinity> I'm really not okay with this Midway system being so much faster than my old PPC machine.
[20:24] <infinity> On the one hand, it's ten years newer.  On the other hand, it's ARM.  It's not allowed to be fast.
[20:25] <slangasek> on the gripping hand, oh no it's an ARM with three hands
[20:25] <infinity> SO MANY HANDS.
[20:32] <stgraber> infinity: oh, we actually have a midway system somewhere now?
[20:32] <infinity> stgraber: OEM has a chassis with some cards.  I used it for the d-i enablement a few months ago, and I'm using it right now for glibc test building.
[20:32] <stgraber> nice, any of you tried running VMs on that stuff?
[20:33] <infinity> That's still a WIP, I believe.
[20:34] <infinity> Though the goal is to ship 14.04 with a sane A15 KVM and libvirt solution, I think.
[20:35] <stgraber> would be kind of nice if we could get working openstack on A15 (and maybe A57?) hardware, having a few of those in canonistack and buildstack would solve our current porter and buildd situation
[20:36] <infinity> stgraber: Our buildd situation is great (except for PPAs).
[20:36] <infinity> stgraber: But yeah, my plan for builders is to skip from our A9s to A57s, and do some PPA virt fanciness there when we have 'em.
[20:36] <stgraber> infinity: btw, how do those calxeda box boot? Should I add some code to my d-i branch to spit out something they can actually boot from?
[20:36] <infinity> stgraber: I'm not sure I can justify the budget to upgrade the A9s to A15s.
[20:36] <hallyn_> tjaalton: sadly, Xspice is giving me segv :(  will have to try under debian ...
[20:37] <infinity> stgraber: They boot raw vmlinuz/initrd.gz, the one pooped out in the base generic/ directory works fine.
[20:38] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, doesn't seem worth it, the ton of A9 we have currently clearly is enough to deal with any distro workload. The qemu based buildds kind of suck but they shouldn't be getting any worse and aren't on the critical path since we can turn on devirt for distro use, so waiting for A57 based server seems perfectly reasonable.
[20:38] <stgraber> infinity: ah good, so they have their bootloader and config built into some kind of onboard chip?
[20:40] <infinity> stgraber: Yeah, u-boot's in firmware, and so is the DTB.
[20:40] <infinity> stgraber: Would be a weird chicken-and-egg issue to say "sure, you can pxeboot this, but only after you insert 24 SD cards with u-boot on them".
[20:41] <infinity> (viable for a Panda, laughable for a server blade chassis)
[20:42] <stgraber> sounds like a reasonable implementation. I guess they're using the stock u-boot pxe implementation which basically just parses a subset of pxelinux.cfg, grabs kernel and initrd, and then they pass the dtb to the kernel on top of that
[20:44] <stgraber> infinity: finally managed to get a succesful build: https://www.stgraber.org/download/d-i/current/images/generic/
[20:44] <stgraber> infinity: would be nice if you could test those .img.gz on your beagle and panda
[20:46] <infinity> stgraber: Is that beagle image really xM-only?
[20:46] <stgraber> infinity: the only dtb we have in our package says beagleboard-xm
[20:46] <infinity> stgraber: Our current omap3 images boot on a few beagle models (and the one I have is an old c3)
[20:47] <infinity> Of course, this could be a lie, and maybe our current omap3 images don't boot at all. ;)
[20:47] <infinity> I'll try to test later today.
[20:47] <stgraber> it very well could be that the xm dtb works fine on older models too, I try to keep the name in the d-i build in sync with the dtb though
[20:48] <stgraber> hmm, looking at the result in my browser now, I think I'll move vmlinuz and initrd.gz to a "standalone" directory (better names are welcome) should be slightly less confusing to someone who doesn't know how things work on arm
[20:49] <infinity> stgraber: Except that a ton of people rely on that structure. ;)
[20:49] <infinity> (I don't mind breaking Panda, I do mind breaking production highbank setups)
[20:50] <stgraber> infinity: well, I kinda broke the structure already when I dropped netboot/ from the path ;)
[20:51] <stgraber> infinity: hmm, I guess I could keep vmlinuz and initrd.gz in netboot/ and dump the rest into a new board/ directory maybe?
[20:51] <stgraber> that way URLs for highbank should still work
[20:51] <infinity> Oh, you dropped netboot?  I didn't notice the path mangling...
[20:51] <infinity> No netboot, cdrom, etc...
[20:52] <stgraber> yeah, I dropped that level, but I'll re-introduce it now so that the path to vmlinuz and initrd.gz stays the same
[20:52] <infinity> stgraber: Well, and you can't just drop the cdrom images... We use those.
[20:52] <infinity> And they're different from the netboot ones.
[20:52] <infinity> (Well, the initrd is)
[20:54] <stgraber> infinity: what's using the cdrom ones? (not that I mind re-introducing them, I just couldn't think of anywhere we were actually using those)
[20:55] <infinity> stgraber: We still produce server CDs for omap* (though, maybe we should stop).
[20:55] <infinity> stgraber: But they're also convenient for someone else who wants to do the same.
[20:55] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[21:01] <stgraber> infinity: building d-i again with cdrom builds back on, and the fs structure tweaked to be more conventional with the board images under netboot-boards (which should be clear enough that those are netboot images for particular boards)
[21:04] <dobey> anyone know a good way to flash an ubuntu iso to a usb flash drive, in 13.10 that has udisks which apparently casuses usb-creator-gtk to segfault?
[21:04] <mdeslaur> dobey: you can just use dd
[21:04] <infinity> dobey: dd
[21:05] <dobey> dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdg ?
[21:05] <mdeslaur> dobey: yep
[21:05] <infinity> dobey: Yeah.  And add a bs=4M or so, if you don't want it to take a year.
[21:17] <dobey> thanks, that did work
[21:36] <stgraber> infinity: new proposed structure: https://www.stgraber.org/download/d-i/current/images/generic/
[21:50] <Noskcaj> pitti, Is there any chance i could get a testimonial for MOTU from you? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj/MOTU
[21:50] <Noskcaj> (I'm not actually applying till next month, but i'll try and get the testimonials now
[21:54] <ari-tczew> can you log-in on wiki.ubuntu.com ?
[21:59] <Noskcaj> ari-tczew, The page isn't loading, but i think that's just my internet crashing
[21:59] <Noskcaj> works fine, internet fixed
[22:00]  * ari-tczew sees Please contact the server administrator<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[22:28] <melodie> hello
[22:29] <melodie> I have been told that the build method for the isos would have been changed for the Saucy version. If this is right, is there any available doc about it somewhere?
[22:30] <slangasek> melodie: it hasn't; there was a rewrite to the tools, but that was a couple of cycles ago already, and available at lp:ubuntu-cdimage
[22:31] <melodie> thanks slangasek


[15:02] <cfhowlett> zak??
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> nice work on the wiki cfhowlett ! :)
[15:23] <sakrecoer_> very good! thank you!
[15:24] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, thanks.  we need to narrow the window on the contest to beat the feature freeze so only 5 weeks
[15:24] <cfhowlett> also: need to work with PR? to get the word out on the contest.  or is that on us as well?
[15:28] <sakrecoer_> cfhowlett: "or is that on us as well?" what do you mean by that?
[15:28] <cfhowlett> are we expected to get the word ou t to all the media/blogs/etc or should / shouldn't the PR team do that?
[15:29] <sakrecoer_> well... it seems like we ARE the PR team :)
[15:29] <sakrecoer_> at least i am in it :)
[15:30] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, OK then.  Can I delegate to you: get the first paragraph of the wiki out to all the likely media outlets and include the URL of the wiki
[15:30] <cfhowlett> ?
[15:30] <sakrecoer_> ok :)
[15:31] <sakrecoer_> zequence: is it thru https://rt.ubuntu.com/ that we post content to the website?
[15:34] <cfhowlett> also: it is worth mentioning that we need to prepare the wallpaper package and I have NEVER packaged anything!
[15:35] <sakrecoer_> zequence is writing this for us: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioPackageMaintenance cfhowlett
[15:36] <cfhowlett> I don't even have a firm grasp on bzr, so I truly hope someone can help with this.
[15:53] <sakrecoer_> i think zequence will assist us for a while, and i intend on learning this thoroughly as fast as possible :)
[15:53] <sakrecoer_> cfhowlett
[15:53] <cfhowlett> yeah ...
[15:58] <cfhowlett> Well, we can certainly launch the contest immediately and see to packaging later
[16:07] <sakrecoer_> https://plus.google.com/102125777892703446963/posts/91t3hFe3we4
[16:07] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, that for me?
[16:08] <sakrecoer_> its the post on the google plus page..
[16:08] <sakrecoer_> i don't have facebook tho..
[16:08] <cfhowlett> if so ... china + google = NO GO ...
[16:08] <sakrecoer_> haha! right...
[16:09] <sakrecoer_> is it blocked, or accessible but with police knocking on door 20 seconds lateR?
[16:09] <cfhowlett> blocked.
[16:10] <sakrecoer_> i'm not too fund of google, so i have mitigated feeling about that particular block :D
[16:31] <cfhowlett> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase
[16:51] <zequence> cfhowlett: Zak is the art lead, who has been very much abscent.
[16:52] <cfhowlett> yeah, real life will do that :)
[16:52] <zequence> Think I gave you a link to the correct text logo. If I didn't, I'm sorry for that
[16:52] <cfhowlett> please do!  I must have missed it.
[16:53] <zequence> cfhowlett: It's the one called ubuntu-studio_1304_OK_brandmark-wordmark_04_a_alternate-wordmark_by_madeinkobaia.svg
[16:53] <zequence> It's actually not the alternate anymore :)
[16:53] <zequence> madeinkobaia, that's Zak's nick
[16:54] <cfhowlett> so that'll be in the bzr right
[16:54] <zequence> Right
[16:54] <zequence> In the root folder
[16:54] <zequence> The non alternate should probably be called the alternate, and is ok to use too, I suppose
[16:55] <zequence> Both have less space between the letters than the original text done with the UBuntu fonts
[16:55] <cfhowlett> and this is the official version?
[16:56] <zequence> Yes. It's what we use on all our merchandise, social channels
[16:56] <zequence> The website has yet not been updated with the new text
[16:59] <zequence> cfhowlett: I changed the sidebar to the artwork sidebar on your page. Also, added the link to that page to the side bar. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/UserShowcase
[17:00] <cfhowlett> nice!
[17:01] <cfhowlett> So which of these brandmarks and logos are approved for use?  the "current standard" text only lists ONE ...
[17:02] <zequence> cfhowlett: The one named alternate is the first choice. And, that should really be enough
[17:04] <zequence> It is the current standard, just as the text file says
[17:04] <cfhowlett> no circle logo?
[17:05] <zequence> Let me see if I can find that
[17:07] <cfhowlett> It would be helpful to have the list of approved assets centrally located somewhere.  I attempted to provide this on the Showcase page, but my information is clearly outdated.
[17:10] <zequence> cfhowlett: This is why I created the textfile
[17:10] <zequence> The whole area of artwork is a mess. No one even knows who created the original artwork
[17:10] <zequence> Ok, so I found the website version of the text logo
[17:11] <zequence> It has the CoF, but it's the non alternate version
[17:11] <zequence> Zak is really the one who should provide all the variants though, so you should talk to him
[17:11] <zequence> To get the text logo with the CoF, get the website theme, with the command: bzr branch lp:ubuntustudio-website
[17:11] <cfhowlett> Hmmm.  Thought he said he'd be unavailable for the foreseeable future.
[17:12] <zequence> A couple of weeks, yes. Not sure how long that is though
[17:12] <cfhowlett> I've got the bzr file, just not sure which assets are approved for use
[17:13] <zequence> The file in questions is found by path ubuntustudio-website/ubuntustudio-wp/img/us-logo.png
[17:14] <zequence> cfhowlett: The bzr file lists the two files by path, relative to that file
[17:14] <zequence> Those two are approved
[17:14] <zequence> I won't have time today, but I can make an attempt at cleaning up that branch
[17:14] <zequence> Most of the stuff in there is outdated
[17:15] <cfhowlett> I'm sure we would all be grateful!  If nothing else, updating the current standards file would clarify many matters
[17:16] <zequence> Ok, well, I won't have time today. Maybe not until Friday. I'll do it before the weekend though
[17:16] <cfhowlett> much appreciated!!
[17:16] <zequence> np
[17:22] <sakrecoer_> zequence: cfhowlett: it's is in the 16.04 folder in the root folder :)
[17:22] <cfhowlett> "it" ???
[17:22] <sakrecoer_> sorry, the text logo
[17:22] <cfhowlett> OK
[17:22] <sakrecoer_> ubuntu-studio_1604_brandmark-wordmark_03_a_-_by_madeinkobaia
[17:22] <sakrecoer_> .svg
[17:23] <cfhowlett> I'll pull the assets I misplaced on the wiki
[17:24] <sakrecoer_> it's the same as the one zequence told you, but renamed to 16.04 and with "alternate" removed...
[17:24] <cfhowlett> OK
[17:24] <sakrecoer_> zequence: i cleaned the artwork pack 3-4 weeks ago...
[17:25] <sakrecoer_> oh wait... no.... it's the wrong one...
[17:25] <sakrecoer_> the alternate one is white...
[17:26] <sakrecoer_> and the one i put in the 16.04 folder is black and not as classy...
[17:26] <sakrecoer_> let me fix that...
[17:33] <sakrecoer_> arf... missed cfhowlett, hopefully he will pull after i fixed that...
[17:34] <sakrecoer_> let it keep the name you posted here zequence to avoid further confusino


[00:01] <ChinnoDog> Bread run is over?
[00:02] <jedijf> at&t is messing with my 3g ports
[00:03] <ChinnoDog> They are blocking ports?
[00:03] <jedijf> even connectbot disconnects
[00:03] <jedijf> something strange is going on...giving it one more day before i switch to clear
[00:04] <jedijf> only 80 is working....outgoing....
[00:09] <rmg51> I want to see how you get one of the usb dongles to work with linux
[00:09] <jedijf> gonna go your route, with the hotspot
[00:10] <rmg51> just like Teddy ;-)
[00:17] <jedijf> honestly, i was shocked when rinetd and 8080 didn't work......maybe i'll try 80 see if that will fly
[11:11] <JonathanD> Morning PA.
[11:15] <InHisName> Morning JonathanD
[11:15] <InHisName> You're such a morning person, JonathanD
[11:21] <JonathanD> heh :P
[12:27] <waltman> Says the other person in the channel awake at 6:15 AM...
[12:37] <andrew> yar
[12:37] <andrew> been at work for 40 minutes
[14:24] <ChinnoDog> What is an unusual board game a 9yo boy would be able to appreciate?
[14:25] <pleia2> stratego
[14:25] <pleia2> (it was pretty much my favorite game growing up)
[14:27] <pleia2> wikipedia makes it sound more complicated than it is, age range is 8+ but I know I was playing it before then
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> That looks fun, like I would want to play
[14:27] <pleia2> yeah, I'm sure I'd still enjoy it :)
[14:32] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: depends on what interests him.
[14:32] <andrew> http://www.reddit.com/r/philadelphia/comments/goucj/alexis_ohanian_kn0thing_will_be_speaking_at_upenn/
[14:32] <PennBot> Title: Alexis Ohanian (kn0thing) will be speaking at UPenn on 4/19 : philadelphia (at www.reddit.com)
[14:34] <InHisName> Is he into dolls and lifestyles etc?   violence, shooting, killing, bloodletting, etc ?   Constructing, building, bridging, etc? or ??
[14:34] <InHisName> Puzzle games on words or numbers or tricks ?
[14:37] <InHisName> I liked stratego, battleship, dots game (used blank graph paper), tick tack toe (had more fun programming it)
[16:10] <waltman> We played just about everything Parker Bros. and Milton Bradley made when we were in that age range :)
[16:17] <andrew> How do I see dropped packet stats in XP?
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> I don't have an XP machine, but probably one of the perfmon counters
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> There is a 4 player version of Stratego that is out of production. I wonder if peeps that have played the 2 player version would think it is just as good.
[17:58] <waltman> 2 player games generally don't work well as 4 player games -- chess, for instance
[17:58] <waltman> I'd imagine the strategy would be quite a bit different in 4 player stratego
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> Is there a 4 player chess?
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> That would be weird
[17:59] <waltman> there are a LOT of chess variants
[17:59] <waltman> Well, that's kind of what I'm saying.  I think 4 player Stratego would be weird, too.
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> 4 player chess would take all day to play
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> ok then. I'll gift the 2 player version.
[18:00] <waltman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-handed_chess
[18:00] <PennBot> Title: Four-handed chess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[18:00] <ChinnoDog> I think I was appreciating nice toys at 9. I like the B&N edition of Stratego
[18:15] <jedijf> @karma
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[18:15] <jedijf> bvag -1
[18:15] <jedijf> @karma
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[18:15] <jedijf> @karma bvag -1
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[18:16] <ChinnoDog> naps++
[18:16] <jedijf> bavag-1
[18:16] <jedijf> @karma
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[18:16] <jedijf> bvag--
[18:16] <jedijf> that's it
[18:16] <jedijf> @karma
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[18:17] <teddy-dbear> 'bout time
[19:00] <ChinnoDog> sup lamalex


[22:40] <Kabiigon> hi
[22:42] <Kabiigon> is all the content on ubuntu tv free
[23:14] <Kabiigon> whats the best device to run ubuntu tv


[06:03] <msitarz> Hi
[06:04] <msitarz> could somebody tell me how does cloud-init decide which network interface to configure?
[07:36] <harmw> smoser: ifup $interface
[07:36] <harmw> damn
[07:36] <harmw> ok, Ill make some adjustments
[07:37] <harmw> udhcpc will put the interface where it's gotten an address on in the environment, yes, as $interface
[07:38] <harmw> and disabling would be done in /etc/networking/interfaces, so no need for a DISABLED (which Ill remove)
[08:29] <msitarz> harmw: is that related to my question ?
[08:32] <harmw> haha no, sorry :)
[08:56] <harmw> I should've bzr copied the default.script btw, since now it looks like cirros-dhcpc is completely new - which it obviously isn't
[08:57] <harmw> anyway, smoser , the merge request is updated
[12:46] <smoser> msitarz, it doesn't.
[12:46] <smoser> system configuration tells it.
[12:47] <smoser> on ubuntu, it blocks on anything 'auto' in /etc/network/interfaces.
[13:17] <msitarz> smoser: so cloud-init does not setup the network
[13:17] <msitarz> but the default OS configuration is just setup to use DHCP , that's why I get IP on eth0 ?
[13:18] <smoser> right.
[13:18] <smoser> thats how i would think things should work
[13:18] <smoser> eth0 should be expected to come up on dhcp and give route to network
[13:18] <smoser> now...
[13:18] <smoser> that is being fixedui do want to fix that htough
[13:18] <smoser> so that ocnfig drive can correctly insert networking
[16:21] <harlowja_at_home> smoser, btw, i'm in NY for a couple week, so will be on/off (forgot if i told u :-P)
[16:24] <smoser> harlowja_at_home, sure. just make sure you vote for my talk. :)
[16:24] <harlowja_at_home> ??
[16:25] <harlowja_at_home> where's that
[16:25] <smoser> http://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/ecure-containers-in-openstack-using-lxc-and-user-namespaces
[16:25] <smoser> and while you're there, you should vote for this one too
[16:25] <smoser> https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/astrologer
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> cool
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> will do, will get some others to vote for that also :-P
[16:26] <smoser> others by canonical at http://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/07/31/voting-begins-for-openstack-summit-sessions-in-paris/
[16:26] <smoser> look at that second link :)
[16:26] <smoser> if you have links to yours, i'll + them to
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> "highly effective astrological love problem solutions are good enough to solve all your problems - See more at: https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/astrologer#sthash.Gu4vFXan.dpuf"?
[16:26] <harlowja_at_home> what the
[16:27] <harlowja_at_home> i didn't put any up this time :-P
[16:49] <harlowja_at_home> smoser, astrogger even put it under the networking category +1, ha
[16:49] <harlowja_at_home> different type of networking, ha
[18:35] <harmw> smoser: ready to accept my merge request? :P
[18:36] <smoser> let me look. i think we were closer.
[18:37] <smoser> so the patch to busybox
[18:37] <smoser> you patch in a patch. is that right ?
[18:37] <smoser> is thats what happening there?
[18:37] <smoser> where does leasetime come from, do you know ?
[18:37] <smoser> ie, is it of any use for us to get that passed in from ifup ?
[18:37] <smoser> i dont know where it would get it from
[18:40] <smoser> harmw, do you mind if i bikeshed on some things?
[18:40] <smoser> i dont want to put you off, and i thikn its probably good enough.
[18:40] <smoser> but a few things.
[18:42] <smoser> here. i'll just make some changes here
[18:42] <smoser> and then propose for merge into your branch
[18:42] <smoser> then you sanity check
[18:46] <harmw> leasetime comes from the dhcpservice, we don't do anything with it
[18:46] <smoser> hm..
[18:46] <smoser> i'd have thoguht so
[18:46] <smoser> but why does ifup have '%leastime%' ?
[18:47] <smoser> see line 37 of your MP.
[18:47] <harmw> hm, it does?
[18:47] <smoser> see how it can call dhcpcd with '-l %leasetime'
[18:47] <smoser> it seems odd
[18:47] <smoser> but i didn't understand. so asking you
[18:47] <smoser> :)
[18:47] <harmw> hmk, well, not all clients are using the same options though
[18:47] <harmw> in ifupdown.c
[18:49] <harmw> and yes, its a patch that creates a new (patch) file that will add the new dhcp client directive to that struct in ifupdown.c
[18:49] <harmw> whats so wrong with my stuff for you to b wanting to bikeshed? :p
[18:51] <smoser> give me 10 minutes. i'll push up a branch.
[18:51] <harmw> meh
[18:52] <smoser> just making stuff more localized and such.
[18:52] <smoser> i'll show
[18:52] <smoser> nothing big
[18:52] <smoser> you really did good.
[18:52] <smoser> thank you!
[18:52] <harmw> yea right, well obviously not good enough
[18:52] <harmw> :p
[18:55] <smoser> harmw, what is -x
[18:56] <harmw> as in the udhcpc parameter ?
[18:56] <smoser> yeah
[18:56] <harmw> asking for options
[18:56] <harmw> no
[18:56] <harmw> 'include option OPT in set packets'
[18:56] <smoser> ok. so if hostname is empty
[18:56] <smoser> then we dont want the -x either
[18:56] <smoser> right ?
[18:57] <harmw> damn, well... isn't hostname defaulting to cirros?
[18:57] <smoser> probably. but just in case.
[18:57] <harmw> god I hate you for that :p
[18:57] <smoser> i told you bike shed
[18:57] <harmw> you're probably right
[18:57] <smoser> i've got it thoguh
[18:58] <harmw> probably something like: [ -z `hostname` ] && OPT=bla
[19:01] <harmw> you should merge the updated buildroot as well, someday
[19:01] <smoser> yes.
[19:01] <smoser> i will merge that for sure.
[19:02] <harmw> but lets finish this udhcpc branch first, then you're all set on the buildroot, and then its time to drink beers and enjoy the weekend :>
[19:15] <smoser> harmw, so every time something ifup dhcps
[19:15] <smoser> it will kill resolv.conf
[19:15] <smoser> ie, last one wins
[19:16] <harmw> but thats not any different from the current situation, right?
[19:16] <smoser> i dont know.
[19:16] <smoser> problby not
[19:16] <smoser> just found it interesting
[19:16] <smoser> and odd
[19:16] <smoser> i'm gonna make it only do that if
[19:16] <smoser> domain or dns is set.
[19:16] <harmw> that part was already in default.script, which is called at ifup
[19:16] <smoser> alright.
[19:16] <smoser> i'll lave it as it is
[19:16] <harmw> probably wouln't hurt, no
[19:16] <smoser> we could potentially make that work
[19:17] <smoser> make it configurable
[19:17] <smoser> we could
[19:18] <harmw> i'd opt for first bringing in the major changes, and then perhaps clean this little issue :)
[19:18] <harmw> *fix
[19:25] <harmw> grrr, why doesn't centos7 ship with cloud-init
[19:25] <harmw> I thought RH had added that to RHEL
[19:25] <harmw> and while the releasenotes of centos7 mention there are cloud images underway, they have yet to arrive
[19:29] <smoser> harmw, lp:~smoser/cirros/udhcpc-wrapper
[19:29] <smoser> i'll be back in a bit
[19:29] <harmw> ok, ill have a look at merging that with my branch
[19:43] <harmw> done, pushed
[19:45] <harmw> ok, I'm building a new image now
[19:46] <harmw> hm, I dont see any reason for it to fail on the current buildroot - but I'm using my 2014 buildroot to testdrive this thing... (since that builds on centos)
[19:46] <harmw> ill check back in an hour :)
[20:35] <harmw> and another hour :p
[20:35] <harmw> so, busybox 1.20.1 in buildroot 2014 :| damn
[20:35] <smoser> yeah. thats kindof annoying.
[20:36] <smoser> lets get to a new buildroot
[20:36] <harmw> haha cool
[20:36] <harmw> make it happen
[20:36] <harmw> :)
[20:36] <smoser> i dont have an easy answer for that patch having to have the busybox verison in it
[20:36] <smoser> (that is annoying)
[20:36] <harmw> I had the exact same objection to it
[20:36] <harmw> but went for it nonetheless
[20:37] <harmw> anyway, ill be back in 60 minutes
[20:37] <smoser> k
[20:37] <smoser> so lets shoot to merge to your 2014.02
[20:37] <smoser> and then merge to 2014.5
[20:37] <harmw> (and lets not forget udhcpc)
[20:38] <smoser> right.
[20:41] <smoser> holy moley. theres a bunch there.
[20:54] <smoser> harmw, ok. i hope id ont break anything. but heres my plan.
[20:54] <smoser>  a.) take the udhcp sutff without the patch disabled in the series file
[20:55] <smoser> so that it will still build fine, but will be inert
[20:55] <smoser> b.) get us merged to a newer version and address that later.
[21:03] <smoser> harmw, ok. pulled iwthout patch.
[21:25] <harmw> uhm, then you shouldn't have deleted default.script right?
[21:26] <harmw> since now we're not applying the patch to bb (to make it default to using cirros-dhcpc) it'll start udhcpc just like it always did
[21:27] <harmw> and that will be done with -s /usr/share/udhcpc/default.script
[21:27] <harmw> which doesn't exists
[21:27] <harmw> so please revert that file untill we will use the patch
[21:27] <harmw> thanks for merging though :)
[21:28] <harmw> be sure to update the chngelog btw


[00:00] <Theravadan> only shows 2011-03-20T23:59:41+0000
[00:00] <Theravadan> which ami should i use here: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/maverick/current/
[00:01] <pnunn> We are using ami-22423c70 on a huge machine quite happily.
[00:01] <Theravadan> i need a 64 bit ebs, not sure if it really matters which one i choose
[00:01] <Theravadan> nice
[00:02] <Theravadan> Client.InvalidAMIID.NotFound: The AMI ID 'ami-22423c70' does not exist
[00:04] <pnunn> OK... that's odd, I got that ID straight off my EC2 panel.  Ahh.. its in ap-southeast-1b that's probably why, are you using US?
[00:04] <Theravadan> pnunn: i will use any region, whatever works... i 'm in the US
[00:05] <pnunn> OK.. well, that ami is in the southeast zone.
[00:05] <pnunn> We are running it in an m2.4xlarge
[00:05] <Theravadan> ec2-describe-availability-zones on ly shows us-east-1 so i guess i cant put anything there
[00:05] <Theravadan> nice, so it is possible... hmm
[00:06] <pnunn> Change your region to Asia Pacific (Singap.).
[00:06] <pnunn> But... there should be workable instances in US regions too.
[00:07] <Theravadan> i'd prefer the US
[00:07] <Theravadan> oh southeast = southeast asia, thought you meant southeast US
[00:07] <pnunn> When I was setting this one up, I just looked for EC2 instances that were pretty recent.
[00:09] <Theravadan> just tried the ami i-9ce227f3 from http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/release/ ... terminated and no console output.
[00:09] <Theravadan> lemme try from the gui
[00:11] <Theravadan> pnunn, u using ebs?
[00:12] <pnunn> Theravadan: Yep.
[00:12] <Theravadan> pnunn, how is that going? reddit.com seems to be down because of ebs
[00:13] <Theravadan> i am just going to run m2.4xlarge and put the db in memory so it doesnt use I/O.
[00:14] <pnunn> Theravadan, pretty much what were doing.  The reason were on Huge is so we can put our db into a ramdisk.
[00:14] <Theravadan> pnunn, do any load balancing? Not sure if a need a static id for each of the servers in rotation, hope not
[00:14] <Theravadan> err static ip
[00:16] <Theravadan> ok i created the machine via the gui and that worked
[00:17] <pnunn> Good stuff...
[00:19] <Theravadan> pnunn, gonna create a 500gb ebs and mount it, never done this, any tips?
[00:20] <Theravadan> i'll create it via the gui first, gui seems to be better than cmd line
[00:24] <pnunn> Theravadan, I've only ever used the gui to this point.. it seems to work well.
[00:24] <Theravadan> pnunn, last time i used ec2 was 2 years ago and there was no gui so i'm used to the cmd line but.. gui seems to be easier to use
[00:25] <pnunn> Theravadan, yeh, its come a long way.
[00:33] <Theravadan> anyone have success with the new cluster instances? seems to be kinda beta from the feedback i see via google searches
[02:15] <pteague> downloaded & burned the iso... booted it up & i get "1. \n 2. \n Select CD-ROM Boot Type : _"  ... uh, ok?
[02:30] <pmatulis> pteague: do you have a question?
[02:35] <pteague> was wondering which to do... apparently 2 skips the cd/dvd so must be an odd bios issue even though i've set up the bios to boot correctly off the cd/dvd
[04:20] <Theravadan> if I create an ami from an existing ebs instance via the gui, it takes a snapshot, so when i create the new instance from the created ami, will it also have a totally new ebs volume?
[04:41] <sako> hey guys any way to get the numeric permission value of a file? such as 440 or 755?
[04:43] <twb> sako: stat
[04:43] <twb> stat -c %a foo
[05:07] <sako> thanks!
[05:16] <sako> i want to make a good ubuntu desktop/server anyone build a computer recently can give me some advice? :)
[05:17] <sako> was looking at either i5 or i7
[05:17] <sako> not sure if i _really_ need an i7...
[05:21] <twb> sako: those are just marketing names
[05:21] <twb> i5 is marketed at home/desktop, i7 at business/server
[05:22] <twb> But you should be looking at the actual specs
[05:22] <sako> yea
[05:22] <twb> Most businesses won't care about paying an extra $80 for an i7-flavoured system
[05:22] <twb> Check with your management
[05:37] <twb> Ugh, aptitude is so slow on embedded hw
[07:27] <\sh> moins
[09:22] <jamespage> good morning
[09:22] <laen> Mooooorning
[09:55] <kim0> Hi folks .. What's the root password for lxc container
[09:58] <soren> kim0: How did you set it up?
[10:02] <kim0> soren: sudo lxc-create -n lxc1 -f lxc.conf -t natty ?
[10:02] <kim0> lxc.conf is just networking stuff
[10:05] <soren> kim0: "root", it seems.
[10:16] <kim0> soren: thanks :)
[10:30] <soren> kim0: Sure :)
[12:05] <pmatulis> anyone have problems with tftpd-hpa on lucid after recent kernel upgrade?
[12:15] <patdk-wk> pmatulis, nope, but I haven't used a tftp client yet
[12:15] <patdk-wk> I can't imagine the kernel upgrade could have any effect at all on it
[12:33] <zul> morning
[13:05] <teddymills> cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr   < --why is file descriptors alwayz zero ? is that okay ?
[13:07] <patdk-wk> dunno, kind of hard for me to see that file on your system from over here
[13:08] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[13:17] <SuperRoach> Hello there. I have a general question - I'm running 8.04 on a rented vps. I've asked about doing an upgrade to 10.04 which appears dooable in the community guide, however they say they can only do 9.04, and require a complete recreation of the vm. Could you think of why they would go against doing an inplace update?
[13:21] <patdk-wk> because it's a vps
[13:21] <patdk-wk> and I wouldn't use 9.04, it hasn't been supported for awhile, and will get no security updates
[13:21] <patdk-wk> updates for 9.10 will end next month also
[13:21] <patdk-wk> so options are 8.04 or 10.04
[13:22] <_ruben> or 6.06 ;)
[13:22] <patdk-wk> doubt he wants to downgrade :)
[13:22] <SuperRoach> _ruben, heh i noticed that in the list too (6.06)
[13:22] <jdstrand> 6.06 runs out in june
[13:23] <jdstrand> I know it was a joke, but I don't want there to be *any* confusion :)
[13:23] <SuperRoach> patdk-wk, I understand. I didn't understand why I could only be offered 9.04 though... It seems the guide isn't relevant for a  vps?
[13:23] <patdk-wk> nothing is relevent for a vps
[13:23] <Pici> o.O
[13:23] <SuperRoach> aw :(
[13:24] <Pici> Sure it is.  It just depends whether you're planning on using the OS images provided by your provider or upgrading yourself.
[13:24] <patdk-wk> I would imagine it would be pretty easy to break the vps doing an upgrade
[13:24] <SuperRoach> pici - preferbly I was preferring to do an inplace upgrade if possible
[13:25] <Pici> SuperRoach: I've had no issues upgrading this VPS from 8.04 to 10.10, one release at a time as they came out.  Then again, this isn't being used for anything critical, just my personal stuff.
[13:25] <Pici> (linode)
[13:25] <patdk-wk> I only have one vps, and hate it, they are doing 10.04 ontop of centos5
[13:25] <SuperRoach> The lack of grub made me weary of attempting it for starters though
[13:25] <patdk-wk> kernel is so broken :(
[13:25] <SuperRoach> pici - yeah just personal stuff here too
[13:26] <SuperRoach> You've mentioned that you done one release at a time. I take it you mean 8.04 -> 9.04 -> 10.04 on your vps?
[13:26] <patdk-wk> that is two releases
[13:26] <patdk-wk> 8.04 -> 8.10 -> 9.04 -> 9.10 -> 10.04 ....
[13:27] <SuperRoach> ahh, so not just the lts, got it.
[13:27] <patdk-wk> 9.04 is not lts
[13:27] <Pici> "not just the lts"
[13:27] <SuperRoach> pici - yeah, the .10's ?
[13:28] <Pici> Or maybe it was 8.10 first.  Anyway, I started paying for it in late 2008, and as each release has come out I've upgraded.
[13:29] <SuperRoach> Ok. And you had no problems in your experience with your vps? Did you need to modify your boot parameters with each inplace update
[13:29] <Pici> SuperRoach: No. I didn't touch them.
[13:29] <Pici> There have been some configuration file changes across upgrades, but nothing unexpected.
[13:30] <SuperRoach> That's good to know
[13:32] <zul> SpamapS: you up yet?
[13:32] <SuperRoach> patdk-wk, you mentioned nothing is relevant for a vps before - is that because of a vendor thing, or because of vps - actual installation difference?
[13:33] <patdk-wk> well, it all depends on the vps
[13:33] <patdk-wk> there are atleast 3 different versions they like to use
[13:33] <patdk-wk> and each one works differently
[13:35] <patdk-wk> I atleast have never seen a ubuntu vps upgrade manual, they are all for bare hardware
[13:35] <patdk-wk> so they aren't really relevent
[13:35] <SuperRoach> I see. Would knowing the vps version help? I'm aware it is Xen.
[13:35] <patdk-wk> are you sure it's xen? generally vps's don't use xen
[13:35] <patdk-wk> normally openvz
[13:36] <patdk-wk> if it's xen, it can be considered a vm
[13:36] <patdk-wk> and upgrades are ok
[13:36] <SuperRoach> Just got an email confirming... yeah I thought it was openvz too... Xen, and thats the reason for 9.04 it seems... they don't support 10.04.
[13:36] <patdk-wk> the only issue you will have is, when using 10.04 or higher, you need to use an ec2 kernel
[13:37] <patdk-wk> and you will loose console output doing that
[13:37] <SuperRoach> Eek.
[13:37] <patdk-wk> I have two I run like that
[13:37] <patdk-wk> don't really need console
[13:37] <SuperRoach> if you don't have console, how do you admin?
[13:37] <patdk-wk> ssh
[13:37] <patdk-wk> and hope it doesn't break :)
[13:38] <SuperRoach> lol
[13:39] <SuperRoach> was there a change that requires the need of ec2
[13:39] <patdk-wk> ya, xen isn't supported :)
[13:39] <SuperRoach> losing console sounds like one of the scariest things possibnle
[13:39] <patdk-wk> ec2 is based on xen though
[13:39] <patdk-wk> so instead of installed kernel-xen, you install kernel-ec2
[13:40] <patdk-wk> and if you don't have grub
[13:40] <patdk-wk> you probably don't have control over the kernel or ramdisk images
[13:40] <patdk-wk> and therefor can't upgrade them anyways
[13:40] <SuperRoach> ah, darn.
[14:02] <orudie> while ubuntu server installation I get the following red screen "unable to set password for the mysql root user" , any idea  ?
[14:17] <RoyK> can someone please test http://transport.nilu.no/products/fukushima and see if it works ok? the news hit .jp/.us and the server wasn't too happy about that...
[14:17] <jkg> the page loads, are you after testing anything specific?
[14:20] <patdk-wk> hmm, that is an old page
[15:10] <raubvogel> mysql question: should I have a file somewhere in /etc/mysql/conf.d/ with my local settings, which then will outrank my.cnf, or is it ok to edit my.cnf?
[15:14] <pmatulis> Caribou: o/
[15:14] <Caribou> Hello pmatulis
[15:18] <Caribou> hmm. looks like grub2 will be a good friend of mine...
[15:26] <hggdh> smoser, good morning, we need another hardy ec2 from proposed...
[15:26] <smoser> hggdh, remember you don't so much need it
[15:26] <smoser> because you can apt-get install kernel.. and reboot
[15:26] <smoser> if you've launched with pv-grub aki
[15:27] <hggdh> smoser, huh.
[15:27]  * hggdh blushes, and hides
[15:28] <Orfeous> hi! is it possible to make my samba-server like a domain controller? on my client computers on my lan i want to logon to a domain wich has all users and passwords etc centralized instead of using the local users accounts on the client computers.. is this the right channel for that question? im using ubuntu server 10.10
[16:03] <kirkland> hallyn: fyi, spice question on ubuntu-server@ mailing list
[16:03] <kirkland> hallyn: figured you'd be best equipped to answer that one
[16:04] <hallyn> kirkland: actually kim0 might be as i've packaged it but he's used it :)  but thanks i'll take a look
[16:04] <kim0> just replied
[16:04] <hallyn> kirkland: this is the week that dev-zero should be updating his packages and taking some of my stuff into his, and then hopefully pushing into universe
[16:04] <kirkland> kim0: rock
[16:05] <hggdh> zul, can I use cempedak?
[16:05] <kim0> hallyn: can I post another answer that it should be landing in universe soonish :)
[16:05] <kim0> didn't know that
[16:07] <hallyn> kim0: i don't have your response yet, but sure
[16:08] <zul> hggdh: go ahead
[16:09] <hggdh> zul, thank you, destroying cempedak now
[16:09] <zul> nooooo :)
[16:10] <hggdh> heh
[16:25] <plm> Hi all
[16:25] <plm> How I configure in ssh for some users can't to do login?
[16:28] <kim0> plm: any idea why they can't login ?
[16:28] <Japje> kim0: i thought he was asking for a way to disable SSH for some users
[16:28] <kim0> :s
[16:29] <kim0> ah maybe indeed
[16:30] <kim0> plm: check out AllowUsers and AllowGroups in sshd_config
[16:30] <Japje> or change their shell to something like /bin/false :P
[16:34] <plm> kim0: thanks
[16:36] <kim0> Japje: that way they can't login locally either :)
[17:02] <Theravadan> what's the bwhat's the best way to create an AMI from a running instance? I am about to create a bunch of instances, should I make them EBS instances so I can make an AMI from the first one easily and clone the rest?e
[18:00] <SpamapS> Theravadan: you might want to consider using configuration management rather than image management to make your systems repeatable.
[18:41] <Orfeous> got some problem with PAM...
[18:41] <Orfeous> my errors looks like this: http://pastebin.com/6rAFEBAr
[18:44] <RoyK> Orfeous: erm ... that shouldn't happen. Take down the system in single and fsck the root
[18:44] <RoyK> s/root/root dev/
[18:47] <Orfeous> i cant understand why this has happened
[18:47] <RoyK> Orfeous: really, it shouldn't
[18:47] <Orfeous> maybe there was an upgrade of a package that did this
[18:47] <RoyK> doubt it
[18:47] <Orfeous> using "natty"
[18:47] <RoyK> I guess a filesystem corruption
[18:48] <RoyK> well, playing with alphas is like gasoline and matches... :)
[18:48] <RoyK> what filesystem?
[18:48] <RoyK> ext4?
[18:49] <Orfeous> ext4 yes
[18:49] <Aison> the harddrive of my test ubuntu server is failing, how can I copy the system to a new harddrive? what's the best way?
[18:50] <Orfeous> RoyK: this pam issues is causing my imap-server not working propertly when i try to login.. :(
[18:50] <RoyK> Orfeous: obviously
[18:51] <RoyK> Orfeous: but I don't think it's a pam issue - those files really _should_ be there unless they have changed something major on natty
[18:51] <Orfeous> RoyK: the files isnt in the specified directory..
[18:51] <Orfeous> ive checked
[18:52] <Orfeous> i reboot and i will see :)
[18:52] <Orfeous> soon back
[18:58] <Orfeous> the reboot did it :)
[18:58] <Orfeous> PAM working again
[18:58] <Orfeous> but the files isnt there anyway :D
[18:59] <RoyK> they're there on my natty VM
[19:00] <Orfeous> amd-64?
[19:00] <RoyK> yep
[19:01] <RoyK> lemme update to the latest...
[19:03] <Orfeous> lemme?
[19:03] <RoyK> let me
[19:27] <RoyK> Orfeous: heh - just upgraded my natty install and that seems like it broke it
[19:29] <Orfeous> yes, you see..
[19:30] <RoyK> forgot to make a snapshot before it also - oh well - a test VM isn't much of a loss :P
[19:30] <Orfeous> is it a bug or just a change? because pam is working without the files
[19:30] <RoyK> probably a change
[19:30] <Orfeous> when i rebooted
[19:30] <RoyK> or somewhere in the middle of two changes :P
[19:31] <Orfeous> hehe
[19:31]  * RoyK wouldn't use an alpha for anything but testing
[19:44] <jkg> I am trying to use trickle to rate-limit a file transfer over ssh (as in, tar ... | trickle -s -d 5 -u 10 ssh tar ...). without trickle it works great. with trickle the file transfer fails, and all I see is "Read from socket failed: Resource temporarily unavailable". Any ideas where I should be looking?
[19:44] <jkg> this is on ... urgh, hardy, apparently.
[19:45] <RoyK> jkg: rsync --bwlimit
[19:46] <RoyK> rsync uses ssh for transport by default (since five years back or so) and does a better job than most
[19:46] <jkg> I'm trying to remember why I ditched rsync in the first place
[19:46] <RoyK> standard ops (that I use) are rsync -avP --bwlimit /path/to/somedata somehost:/new/path
[19:47] <jkg> also ... you're telling me for *5 years* I've been typing "-e ssh" needlessly?
[19:47] <jkg> oh well :)
[19:47] <RoyK> yeah, waste of calories :)
[19:47] <RoyK> rsync had some nasty bugs before v3
[19:47] <RoyK> v3 works well
[19:48] <jkg> part of me says "switch to this other tool" is the wrong answer when "why doesn't this tool work" is the question ... however "ditch the tool you've never encountered and go back to one you use daily" is, so I will :-)
[19:48]  * RoAkSoAx starving... off to lunch
[19:48] <Pici> rsync 3.0.4 is in Hardy's backports, but 2.6.9 is in its normal repos.
[19:48] <a7ndrew> i'm not sure if this is helpful but if you use scp there is a -l switch
[19:48] <a7ndrew> for rate limiting
[19:49] <RoyK> Pici: rsync 3.0.7 is in lucid
[19:49] <a7ndrew> i'd never heard of trickle :)
[19:49] <Pici> RoyK: jkg stated he was using hardy.
[19:50] <RoyK> k
[19:50] <RoyK> ah
[19:50] <RoyK> ok
[19:50] <RoyK> sorry
[19:50] <Pici> :)
[19:50] <RoyK> then I'd use a backport
[19:50] <jkg> yeah, for my sins. legacy machine, and all that.
[19:50] <RoyK> rsync <v3 has some nasty issues
[19:50] <Pici> Hardy is still supported.
[19:51] <RoyK> perhaps they've backported the fixes, then
[19:51] <Pici> rsync | 2.6.9-6ubuntu2 |         hardy | source, amd64, i386 VS rsync | 3.0.4-3ubuntu1~hardy1 | hardy-backports | source, amd64, i386
[19:51] <RoyK> ok
[19:52] <RoyK> we've moved (almost) all our servers to lucid
[19:52] <jkg> so, backports ... it's been a while, and it was probably on Debian Etch, so, any pointers? :)
[19:52] <jkg> sorry that's a dumb question, I'll STFW.
[19:53] <RoyK> one 8.04 box still on - can't get g77 for lucid :P
[19:53] <Pici> jkg: If you're just looking to upgrade rsync from backports, I'd uncomment the line in /etc/apt/sources.list , sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get install rsync   (replace with aptitude if you prefer that).
[19:53] <Pici> jkg: You *may* want to disable the repo after that though, as there were other packages backported that you may not necessarily want.
[19:54] <jkg> ok, thanks
[19:54]  * RoyK should go pack for the trip to the north - a bit sad to leave the spring now.... :P
[19:55] <jkg> "rsync  version 3.0.4  protocol version 30" -- well that was less painful than I remember, and I didn't see the word "pinning" once ;)
[19:55] <a7ndrew> jkg: scp -l should work, and it uses ssh for its transport
[19:56] <Pici> I suppose there are other ways to enable backports safely using pinning, but that is complicated.
[19:56] <jkg> can scp preserve timestamps/permissions though? (the original reason to use tar | ssh tar was to keep those)
[19:58] <jkg> Pici: yeah, I think if the machine was ever going to go back into external-facing production I'd look deeper into the "right" solution, but for now, that worked great
[19:58] <a7ndrew> man page says it can do timestamps and 'modes' with the -p option. I've never used that though
[19:58] <RoyK> a7ndrew: any reason to use scp when rsync exists?
[19:59] <jkg> a7ndrew: oh! I was looking for -a, as per cp/rsync. doh :-) but rsync -az will suffice
[20:00] <RoyK> jkg: add a --partial (or -P if you want --progress too) so that if you're rsync'ing large files, they can be resumed if interrupted
[20:00] <a7ndrew> well, i could be wrong about this, but i find rsync sometimes spins its wheels a lot before doing anything, and uses a bunch of memory. I guess I only uses rsync for those cases where some of what i want to copy is on the other side.
[20:00] <a7ndrew> typing that out, those seem like sketchy reasons :P
[20:01] <jkg> RoyK: this is for an unattended process run out of cron, so I'll keep it quiet, but thanks for -P (combining those options is what I usually want and don't bother to do)
[20:01] <RoyK> a7ndrew: rsync may use rather large amounts of memory (or at least in earlier versions) for the initial index process - no idea if that still is a case for v3 - don't think so
[20:02] <RoyK> jkg: for an unattended process, you surely don't want -P :P
[20:02] <RoyK> no reason to get emails that size :þ
[20:04] <jkg> indeedy
[20:04] <jkg> given this process is going to run every minute (but look for, create and destroy a lock file, so not really every minute), I *really* don't want those emails
[20:04] <a7ndrew> I used to rsync stuff to and from a ARM-powered NAS box at home, very slow process. In fairness though it was probably the processor struggling with the encryption as much as the memory issue.
[20:06] <a7ndrew> I'm on the mailing list for backuppc and there are regular complaints there about rsync for the memory issue, but that's moving whole disks around
[20:11] <jkg> woo, all working. thanks folks.
[20:13] <jkg> oh, spoke too soon. it failed on one file :-/
[20:13] <jkg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/583487/
[20:14] <jkg> (a typical file is /srv/data/documents/queue/test.add/$timestampTIFF001.XSM/blah.tif)
[20:16] <emindmedia> Hi everyone. I am getting ready to setup a new webserver, Does anyone know if ill have trouble with ubuntu on a poweredge 1650 / raid 5
[20:18] <ScottK> emindmedia: I think you shouldn't.  Of course no one can say for sure in advance if you will.
[20:19] <emindmedia> ScottK: I was just preparing to follow the guide step by step. I figured I would check, thank you.
[20:19] <jkg> emindmedia: it might be worth checking the list on http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell/servers -- if you want a 'sure thing', pick from that list.
[20:20] <jkg> that said I wouldn't expect a problem with any kit that wasn't really quite weird :-)
[20:21] <emindmedia> JKG: Thank you, unfortunately I'm stuck setting this up on servers we own before I can justify the CAPEX to buy certified equipment.
[20:22] <emindmedia> jkg: Thanks, I'm sure it will go smoothly. Or hopefully. :-)
[20:24]  * jkg finds and fixes the stupid bug in his rsync invocation
[20:28] <jkg> hrm, no. rsync is failing right at the end of transferring each file, when it comes to rename the file
[20:29] <jkg> (I fixed the path-doubling-up thing, but it still breaks in the same way)
[20:45] <jkg> ok, throwing away rsync and picking up scp. wonder hwo long until I'm back trying to get trickle working ;)
[20:46] <RoyK> jkg: why did you ditch rsync?
[20:47] <jkg> at the end of transferring any file of significant size, the rename it does was failing. I tried with/without --delayed-updates, got the same errors.
[20:50] <jkg> (glad I tested it with real files, I had just been creating a directory structure with mkdir/touch!)
[20:51] <jkg> oddly, scp has worked perfectly, except that it failed to set the timestamp on one particular file, claiming it didn't exist
[21:12] <gtaylor_laptop> Anyone else notice that Ubuntu EC2 instances take -forever- to restart? Or get stuck and don't restart until you restart them a second time through the EC2 management console?
[21:13] <jkg> gaibdube
[21:13] <jkg> GAHA
[21:13] <jkg> wrong terminal
[21:14] <jkg> uh, nobody saw that, right, I don't need to change any passwords...
[21:14] <guntbert> jkg: of course not
[21:14] <jkg> (also: when will GNOME implement focus-follows-eyes?)
[21:14] <guntbert> and the logs wil just show *****
[21:15] <jkg> the blessing is that I only use it in 3 places, for relatively unimportant accounts...
[21:15] <jkg> ... make that used. whew.
[21:39] <hallyn> does anyone here use the open-vm-tools?  The community documentation doesn't say anything about the kernel modules in open-vm-dkms.  Are they actually required on the host for the vm-tools in the guest to work?  (i'd assumed so)
[21:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ping
[21:47] <Theravadan> i want to add swap to my ec2 ebs instance, i'd prefer to put it on local disk, is that an option? using ebs for swap seems wrong
[21:47] <soren> hallyn: I don't believe they're needed on the host at all, no.
[21:52] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: pong, sup?
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: quick question about mysql. I'm doing this: mysql_install_db --datadir=/mnt/export
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: that installs a mysql dir under /mnt/export (/mnt/export/mysql)
[21:54] <hallyn> soren: interesting, thanks.  so they're for the guest?
[21:54] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: now, when running the daemon, should I sue /mnt/export or /mnt/export/mysql as datadir?
[21:55] <guntbert> RoAkSoAx: don't sue your system  - sorry, couldn't resist :-))
[21:55] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: /mnt/export
[21:56] <soren> hallyn: Yes.
[21:56] <soren> hallyn: They're their paravirt drivers.
[21:56] <soren> hallyn: ...and such.
[21:57] <hallyn> good then i don't need to worry as much about ltp crashing with them installed
[21:57] <soren> hallyn: There's a special driver for the emulated nic, there's a driver for a host-guest shared fileystem... err... and some toher stuff.
[21:57] <soren> hallyn: I forget. It's been a number of years by now :)
[21:57] <hallyn> one custom-designed to screw up xfs?  :)
[21:57] <hallyn> soren: thanks.
[21:58] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: I get this though:
[21:58] <RoAkSoAx> Mar 21 21:57:36 natty1 mysqld_safe: Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /mnt/nfsexport
[21:58] <soren> hallyn: Sure thing.
[21:58] <RoAkSoAx> Mar 21 21:57:41 natty1 mysqld_safe: mysqld from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysql1.pid ended
[21:58] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: looking at /var/log/mysql/mysql.err?
[22:10] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: for some reason the port is still open even though mysql is stopped
[22:13] <soren> *blink*
[22:14] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: lsof -n -p | grep 3306
[22:14] <SpamapS> err
[22:15] <SpamapS> netstat -tnlp | grep 3306
[22:15] <SpamapS> mixed two commands there
[22:17] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: will ping you later. Split brain in my cluster :)
[22:30] <storrgie> Is it possible to use a PERC 5 as an HBA instead of as a hardware controller?
[22:39] <pyrophelia> I've got 45 disks in a single 4u, how do I determine the identity of a bad disk from an error in the syslog.  [ 8670.445436] ata11.03: exception Emask 0x100 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x6 frozen
[22:40] <pyrophelia> I need to figure out which disk that is in /dev/ so I find identify the right backplane
[22:41] <kim0> Hi .. How do I update the tgz file that lxc clones to create guests?
[22:41] <pyrophelia> for whatever reason this sytem does not boot with the same disk order every time.
[22:42] <kim0> pyrophelia: I'm not sure .. but /dev/disk/by-path/ would probably show reboot consistent device paths
[22:42] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ok this is what I keep getting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/583558/
[22:43] <pyrophelia> I do but it reports PCI addresses not, ATA :/
[22:43] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: netstat -tnlp | grep 3307 should show anything listening on 3307
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: doesn't
[22:43] <pyrophelia> s/I do/it does
[22:43] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: whats bind-address set to?
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS:daahh I think that's the problem
[22:45] <pyrophelia> I don't get it.  Why does the syslog report errors in ATA addresses but I can't translate that to an actual address.
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: apparently not
[22:49] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: i think it is apparmor
[22:50] <sbeattie> RoAkSoAx: is there anything in dmesg?
[22:52] <soren> pyrophelia: There's a lot of symlinks in /sys that might help you.
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> sbeattie: it is not an error with apparmor, but rather it is enforcing mysql whne I don't really want it to
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> sbeattie: at least that's what I'm thinking might be going on
[22:55] <sbeattie> RoAkSoAx: I'm only picking up the tail of the discussion, and am not sure what you're trying to do, but you can put the mysql profile in non-enforcing mode via aa-complain or aa-disable (the latter is natty only)
[22:56] <Daviey> ooo, i didn't know about aa-disable...
[22:57] <RoAkSoAx> sbeattie: I'm trying to get MySQl in an HA Cluster, and actually launching mysql from another datadir which causes apparmor to not allow MySQl to do so
[22:59] <patdk-lap> well, edit apparmor
[22:59] <RoAkSoAx> patdk-lap: that';s what I already did
[22:59] <patdk-lap> :)
[23:07] <pyrophelia> soren, nothing uselful.  thanks anyway
[23:07] <pyrophelia> ok maybe i'm going about this wrong
[23:07] <pyrophelia> when you have a ton of disks in a single system, how do manage them?
[23:07] <pyrophelia> there has to be something better than syslog errors
[23:07] <pyrophelia> ata11.03 tells me nothing if I can't resolve it
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ok, this is the mysql command I'm using: /usr/bin/mysqld_safe --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --pid-file=/var/run/mysql1.pid --socket=/var/run/mysql1.sock --datadir=/mnt/nfsexport --user=mysql --bind-address=<IP_ADDRESS> and the conf is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/583581/
[23:44] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: the error it shows is that it cannot bind the port, ideas?
[23:45] <jeeves_moss> just wondering, if I put 2 NICs (in the same box) on 2 diff subnets, then have the router with static NAT routers for the "web only" subnet, what other configs do I need to do?
[23:46] <twb> jeeves_moss: what are you trying to achieve?
[23:47] <jeeves_moss> twb, I'm trying to keep ETH0 as our "web interface" so all web traffice coming into/out of this box stays on that one interface,and the gig interface is ONLY for inter....  nm, answered my own question.  dual gateways
[23:47] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: does that IP actually exist?
[23:47] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: yes
[23:48] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: strace it and figure out the errno that its catching
[23:48] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: ok ;)
[23:48] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: that really doesn't make any sense
[23:49] <jeeves_moss> twb, can you quickly have a look @ the config for me please?  http://pastebin.com/nQ1CmK3j
[23:53] <twb> jeeves_moss: you have two upstream interfaces?  That is, two ISPs?
[23:53] <twb> Hm, except they're both using /24s in 192.168/16, so that doesn't make any sense
[23:54] <jeeves_moss> twb, they dual into a single router with dual NATs to the same external interface
[23:54] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: weird, it is like if this bug: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=28516 was still present
[23:54] <jeeves_moss> twb, with the current config, I can see it externally.  but I've only got 2 ports open, so I think I've got it licked.  I don't think it's a Ubuntu issue
[23:54] <twb> I think the problem is you not knowing what you're doing
[23:57] <jeeves_moss> twb, that's a distinct possibilty