[09:22] <Kano> hi, did anybody notice that since 7th the daily kernel does not build?
[09:33] <apw> it has not been mentioned
[10:16] <apw> Kano, it is occuring seemingly because there is something wrong with that keyspan firmware, which we by happenstance remove as redundant against linux-firmware
[10:16] <apw> or ... all firmware builds are broken


[00:20] <mup> Bug #1502360 opened: Editing the filesystem on partition does not trigger a node update <storage> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502360>
[12:55] <mup> Bug #1502435 opened: Clicking "Edit" node details and clicking "check now" for power status in the ui 1.9.0 (alpha3+bzr4345) results in redirection to http://xx.xx.xx.xx/MAAS/#/nodes <1.9.0> <alpha3> <ui> <web> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502435>
[15:56] <JZTech101> I tried to reinstall maas today
[15:56] <JZTech101> I got this:
[15:56] <JZTech101> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f42af9dba6bd012026db
[15:56] <JZTech101> help?


[12:06] <cmaloney> morning
[14:48] <jrwren> anyone following the FSF stuff know of efforts to make a debian/ubuntu that is FSF free? seems like it is a matter of packaging. there are plenty of coreutils replacements, there is glibc replacement, and there is clang.
[14:48] <jrwren> is it straightforeward and just requires some work?
[15:00] <greg-g> I'd rather not fall into the trap of throwing out all of the work of volunteers who aren't RMS just because they use GPL or had their project within GNU (eg: guix, etc). There is a good segment of them who are working to remove RMS from GNU, so let's not throw our their good work and good will.
[15:01] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm feeling the same thing as greg-g
[15:02] <cmaloney> If I were to throw everything out I'd move to BSD or a Macintosh.
[15:11] <jrwren> not throwing it out. lets say I simply don't want to use it. maybe even for other reasons.
[15:17] <cmaloney> I thought I saw something along these lines, but my searching fu is failing me
[15:21] <jrwren> no worries. I can always build on alpine
[15:40] <greg-g> but why don't you want to use it? guilt by association? That's not very fair to the devs that did eg: https://gnu.tools/ (started around when RMS was initially removed from the board in 2019)
[15:41] <greg-g> there's good people and good things in the GNU world. If we can get RMS to fucking retire from it (or fork it or something) we'll be better off than "choosing not to use it"
[15:42] <jrwren> at this point, i'm not sure i agree.
[15:42] <jrwren> historically there were. presently, it seems to remain associated is to claim support of.
[15:43] <greg-g> yeah, I see that, but what I want to do is to give the good people in the GNU world time to figure out their destiny, not make their choice for them
[15:43]  * greg-g shrugs
[15:43] <jrwren> or i'm struggling to find the line between FSF and GNU
[15:43] <greg-g> maybe it means starting a new org on gitlab.com and being done with it
[15:45] <cmaloney> https://wingolog.org/archives/2021/03/25/here-we-go-again
[15:45] <cmaloney> From the maintainer of Guile
[15:46] <cmaloney> There's definitely nuance to all of this, but I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to burn everything to the ground
[15:46] <greg-g> yeah, I was thinking specifically of wingo (who I'm in a shared channel with right now)
[15:46] <cmaloney> grief is like that
[15:46] <greg-g> and cwebber, of course
[15:46] <greg-g> who... I haven't heard much from in the last few days on social....
[15:46] <cmaloney> the cool kid's table. ;)
[15:46] <cmaloney> Yeah, I can imagine this is soul-crushing for them
[15:47] <greg-g> I've been backchanneling a bit with Kat Walsh (mindspillage) and boy... yes.    Patch yo stuff.
[19:44] <cmaloney> hello again


[01:14] <nesys> Hi folks,
[01:14] <nesys> I found on kubuntu 8.10 the same bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/278318
[01:15] <nesys> I've tryed to apply patches and new configs, but the problem is unsolved
[01:17] <nesys> with vlc, or mplayer, or another player, when I see a DVD I have every 10 secs a video freeze (audio is ok), and the vlc debug says 'late picture skipped'
[01:17] <nesys> any advice will be appreciated :)
[02:07] <gbear14275> can anyone tell me what types of changes are made to programs before they go to package releases?  I'm just curious what types of changes the azureus people are claiming the ubuntu side does that makes them unable to support azureus on ubuntu?
[02:08] <gbear14275> not looking for details, just generalities and was curious if this was a common thing with all ubuntu program developers
[02:13] <jdong> gbear14275: sigh I can't believe this is coming up again....
[02:14] <jdong> gbear14275: azureus has a serious security vulnerability where local users are allowed to do whatever the hell they want to any instance of azureus running on your system.
[02:14] <jdong> this is a huge problem if you share your computer with multiple users, because I can stop your torrents or even delete them without your authorization.
[02:15] <jdong> we applied a patch that reserves a range of ports for private communications
[02:15] <jdong> upstream doesn't think this is a security problem and doesn't like this patch
[02:15] <jdong> *shrug* I'm pretty tired of arguing with azureus upstream about this stuff.
[02:15] <jdong> they also claim they need to bundle their own SWT GTK libraries rather than using the system ones
[02:16] <jdong> in general, upstreams tend to be able to come up with better reasons for doing thins like this other than, and I quote, "you are a fucking idiot"
[02:16] <jdong> hopefully that answers your question :)
[02:24] <raylu> o.0
[02:25] <jdong> whee good upstream relations!
[02:25] <jdong> I suppose I shouldn't tell them I plan on stripping the Azureus core from the Vuze UI and combine the 2.5.x.x UI with the new core....
[02:25] <jdong> (shhhhhhh THAT'S OUR LITTLE SECRET)
[03:31] <gbear14275> jdong, wasn't questioning the ubuntu actions was just curious if I was standard or not... I trust the ubuntu devs more than the azureus guys, but thank you for the explanation again jdong
[03:31] <gbear14275> I appreciate it
[03:34] <alex_21> I used apt-get source for apt-get source libwebkit-1.0-1"  and it returned an unable to find source package error. What can I do?
[05:05] <alex_21> Hi, I downloaded the source for webkit from the Ubuntu Repository, and untared the tar.gz. Now I ahve a .orig file. Am I doing something wrong. I jsut want to make a change to main.c in the GTKLauncher source that comes in the Webkit source that is on Webkit's site
[05:10] <LaserJock> alex_21: what file did you download? just the .orig.tar.gz file?
[05:10] <LaserJock> apt-get source libwebkit should work, btw
[05:11] <LaserJock> actually, scratch that
[05:12] <LaserJock> apt-get source libwebkit-1.0-1 works here
[05:17] <alex_21> All thesource
[05:17] <alex_21> qith apt-get source
[05:17] <alex_21> And I am on Hardy, not II
[05:20] <alex_21> And actually, I want to modify main.c in the GTKLauncher in the Webkit site's source
[05:21] <LaserJock> alex_21: if you've downloaded the whole source package then there should be an unpacked source tree there
[05:21] <LaserJock> if not run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[05:22] <alex_21> All I see is a .orig file
[05:23] <LaserJock> alex_21: then you must not have gotten the whole thing
[05:24] <LaserJock> alex_21: there should be a .orig.tar.gz file, a .dsc file, and a .diff.gz file
[05:25] <LaserJock> alex_21: are you sure it's a file? it could be a directory if you untarred it
[05:26] <alex_21> Yes it is a directory
[05:27] <alex_21> Where is the source int question though. In this .orig directory?
[05:27] <LaserJock> alex_21: well, let me ask this, what are you wanting to do in the end?
[05:28] <LaserJock> alex_21: are you wanting to build a new .deb or just wanting to play around with the source or?
[05:33] <alex_21> If you download the source from the Webkit site, there is a GTKLauncher browser they include under WebkitTools directory. I wan't to edit the main.c file for that and repackage it. However if this package can do it, I would love to use it instead
[05:34] <alex_21> I mean, all the .deb stuff is done here
[05:36] <alex_21> I eman the Ubuntu package. If it can be modified like the main.c file can, then I am good to go
[05:41] <alex_21> Is this what you wanted to know?
[05:41] <NCommander> hola world
[05:43] <alex_21> Hola
[05:45] <innovati> ¡hola!
[05:46] <alex_21> ?Hola?
[05:47] <innovati> ¿que?
[05:47] <alex_21> ?Porque estas aki?
[05:47] <alex_21> Lol
[05:47] <innovati> me gusta Ubuntu
[05:48] <alex_21> Esaba Vromiando
[05:48] <alex_21> Lol
[05:48] <alex_21> A mi tambien
[05:49] <LaserJock> alex_21: sorry, got distracted, if you want a .deb in the end you need to get the 3 files I mentioned (.orig.tar.gz, .dsc, .diff.gz)
[05:49] <LaserJock> alex_21: once you do that run dpkg-source -x *.dsc and it should unpack it all
[05:50] <alex_21> Unpack it to where?
[05:50] <alex_21> And is this the normal source
[05:50] <LaserJock> alex_21: in the current directory
[05:51] <alex_21> I modified line 100 and something in the code from Webkit, and need to duplicate this feet
[05:51] <LaserJock> alex_21: the .orig.tar.gz file is the source tarball like what you'd get from the website
[05:51] <alex_21> Oh, Ok
[05:51] <LaserJock> alex_21: the .diff.gz is a diff to that that holds all the Debian/Ubuntu changes
[05:52] <alex_21> Cool, thanks
[05:52] <LaserJock> alex_21: I'd suggest talking to #ubuntu-motu if you have more questions on packaging and how to get a .deb
[05:52] <alex_21> So to make this mod, I can drop the main.c file into the folder and then zip it up and repackage it and it should work?
[05:53] <LaserJock> you don't need to zip it up, we have tools for handling all that
[05:53] <LaserJock> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide has lots of info on that type of thing
[05:54] <alex_21> Yeah, but the wiki is huge and my screen reader will take ages to read that
[05:58] <LaserJock> alex_21: short story is: make changes, apt-get builddep webkit, run debuild -us -uc in the source tree (make sure devscripts is installed)
[05:59] <alex_21> Ok, thanks
[05:59] <alex_21> So the .dif file takes care of all the changes?
[05:59] <alex_21> .Diff?
[06:01] <alex_21> And can I just put info from the new source that I got from the site into the .orig directory?
[06:01] <alex_21> Essentially replacing the current source
[06:01] <LaserJock> no
[06:01] <LaserJock> you shouldn't have a .orig folder
[06:01] <alex_21> No to which?
[06:02] <LaserJock> your changes will show up in a new .diff.gz file
[06:02] <alex_21> Well it is webkit--something.orig and is a directory
[06:02] <LaserJock> is the .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz files still there?
[06:02] <alex_21> But this new .diff file will be created for me?
[06:02] <LaserJock> yes
[06:03] <alex_21> Yes, they are still there
[06:03] <LaserJock> then remove the .orgig directory
[06:03] <LaserJock> and run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[06:03] <alex_21> Why remove it, because that is where all my changes are
[06:04] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:04] <LaserJock> then move it to something like webkit-tmp
[06:04] <alex_21> I haven't ziped it up again yet, I just untarred it, and am making changes to it
[06:05] <LaserJock> that's ok
[06:05] <alex_21> So I am confused, should I, ... what?
[06:05] <LaserJock> mv the directory to webkit-tmp and run dpkg-source -x *.dsc
[06:06] <alex_21> I want to make a .deb package out of the source I just edited
[06:06] <LaserJock> I know
[06:06] <alex_21> Oh, in the webkit-name directory?
[06:06] <alex_21> Webkittmp
[06:06] <LaserJock> but I'm unsure that the source package is properly unpacked
[06:07] <alex_21> I can see all the source files, so is it unpacked?
[06:07] <LaserJock> do you have a new directory?
[06:07] <LaserJock> make sure that there is a debian/ directory within webkit directory
[06:07] <LaserJock> bah, I gotta run for a bit
[06:08] <LaserJock> ask in #ubuntu-motu if you get stuck
[06:08] <alex_21> I moved it
[06:09] <alex_21> Ok
[08:35] <kobazik> can anyone provide me with details how the Ubuntu nightly build is being created? and howto to automate building a whole system from src.deb
[18:06] <philsf> there's a (minor) issue with an archive mirror, who can I get in touch with about it?
[19:12] <n1lo> How can I update to ubuntu unstable or testing?
[19:14] <n1lo> ?
[19:15] <Nafallo> n1lo: user support in #ubuntu
[19:15] <Nafallo> n1lo: for short, you cant, cause they do not exist.
[19:16] <n1lo> how can I use a unstable packages?
[19:17] <Nafallo> n1lo: #ubuntu please
[19:17] <n1lo> Nafallo, Ok.
[19:19] <calc> anyone around that knows in detail about ppas? I have a ppa for openoffice-pkgs that i deleted some packages from but the orig.tar.gz are still there
[19:19] <calc> eg http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.0.0~rc2.orig.tar.gz and http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/openoffice.org_3.0.0~rc4.orig.tar.gz
[19:20] <Nafallo> sounds like a soyuz (#launchpad) query to me :-)
[19:20] <calc> ok
[19:25] <Luke> i'm trying to make a deb of a C program which doesn't specify an install target. What is the correct way to handle this?
[19:26] <pochu> calc: afaik they take some time to be removed
[19:27] <DRebellion> Luke, probably a question for #ubuntu-motu . If the program hasn't got an install target, it's probably trivial to install the files yourself in rules.
[19:27] <calc> pochu: several months?
[19:27] <Luke> DRebellion: so I can just move the binaries in place pretty much
[19:27] <DRebellion> Luke, yep.
[19:28] <Luke> right - thanks
[19:34] <pochu> calc: one hour or two I think, but it may have changed
[19:36] <philsf> there's a (minor) issue with an archive mirror, who can I get in touch with about it?
[19:39] <calc> pochu: well its definitely not working after just a few hours
[19:39] <calc> pochu: the rc uploads were deleted at least several weeks ago (longer than that iirc)
[19:47] <Jimi__Hendrix> are you guys the devs or am i in the wrong place?
[19:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> because i have a question about what goes on in between releases
[19:50] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: yea we are developers, or at least some of us are :)
[19:51] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok so im thinking of making my own distro (i know its a lot of work...but thats not the point) i want to know what happens between releases of ubuntu
[19:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> what do you guys do between 8.04 and 8.10 and jaunty...
[19:52] <calc> er package things, fix bugs, develop new code, etc
[19:52] <calc> lots of things
[19:55] <Jimi__Hendrix> so basically if new open office comes out
[19:55] <Jimi__Hendrix> you put that in by default?
[19:56] <pochu> calc: no idea then, I suggest you ask on the launchpad-users ML
[19:57] <lubosz> hi
[19:57] <lubosz> what hapened to this in intrepid? http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/atlas3-base
[19:57] <lubosz> i have a .deb for hardy depending on that
[19:58] <lubosz> and what to install it in intrepid, there is no intrepid specific release
[19:58] <calc> pochu: ok
[19:58] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: if it comes out before Feature Freeze yes
[19:59] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: in the past we tried to cram it in regardless but that led to problems, so we stick to Feature Freeze now :)
[19:59] <lubosz> is this the same as libatlas3gf-base in intrepid?
[20:00] <Jimi__Hendrix> and bug fix/code wise...if theres a bug in program x that you guys find and have time do you try and edit the source...and would this mean that the kernel i install with ubuntu is different than the one i get with fedora?
[20:04] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: yes it is different, every major distro changes the kernel around
[20:05] <calc> aiui kernel.org doesn't even recommend using their kernels but to use distro kernels instead
[20:05] <calc> or at least they recommended doing that at one point
[20:05] <jdong> linus believes so.
[20:06] <Jimi__Hendrix> and what do you do to the kernel...lets say i get the source for the ubuntu kernel...and compile it...would it work with the distro i build?
[20:07] <calc> the difference between a kernel.org kernel and a distro kernel is generally bug fixes, sometimes they add extra features as well
[20:07] <calc> so it should generally work unless your own distro requires other kernel features that would need to be added
[20:08] <Chipzz> the kernel version does have some influence on the version of glibc you want to ship though
[20:09] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok 2 more questions i think...
[20:10] <Jimi__Hendrix> 1...what would an example of a kernel version be...and 2 assuming i have all the time i need...could i make a distro using just the information provided in the LFS book tree?
[20:26] <Jimi__Hendrix> no one?
[20:43] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: i doubt LFS gives you enough info to create a full distro
[20:44] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: the last time i looked at it (~ 5 years ago) it was outside of the scope of what they even tried to explain
[20:44] <Jimi__Hendrix> well what dont they explain?
[20:45] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: well back then they only explained how to compile apps for your own system, nothing about packaging at all for example
[20:46] <Jimi__Hendrix> well i would use apt and .debs because of their popularity
[20:47] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: to learn how to package you probably should read the ubuntu wiki and debian doc section
[20:47] <calc> there is quite a lot to learn about
[20:48] <calc> the rules file for openoffice.org for example is ~ 150K and nearly 4K lines long
[20:49] <NCommander> o_o;
[20:51] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok calc
[20:51] <Chipzz> calc: whut? :)
[20:52] <calc> Chipzz: its a bit on the large side
[20:52] <Chipzz> no shit :)
[20:53] <Chipzz> 4K LOC, OMG :)
[20:53] <Chipzz> and heh, a sentence in all caps that actually made sense :)
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look that up?
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look up how to make it?
[21:29] <Jimi__Hendrix> i ment
[21:31] <NCommander> StevenK, you around?
[21:35] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: you probably need to start off by working with a current distro so you understand how they actually work
[21:35]  * calc has to go, bbl
[21:36] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: if you want to just make a different version of *buntu that isn't that hard, but to make your own distro entirely you will need a lot more than just one person to do it
[21:36] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: eg Debian has ~ 150 active members and 1000+ total members (iirc)
[21:37] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: ubuntu and fedora have similiar numbers of developers
[21:40] <Jimi__Hendrix> calc, well i would use what others have...just mash it together for the most part and make my own installer...
[21:41] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: hehe, making your own installer would be pretty much a full time job in itself
[21:41] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: its taken years of work to get the ubuntu installer the way it is
[21:41] <Jimi__Hendrix> rofl
[21:42] <Jimi__Hendrix> id settle with one like arch...with the blue screen...
[21:42] <greg-g> Jimi__Hendrix: it isn't just what it looks like
[21:42] <Jimi__Hendrix> well what does the installer actually...do
[21:42] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: a LOT
[21:43]  * calc imagines the ubuntu installer is at least many tens of thousands of lines of code if not more
[21:44]  * Jimi__Hendrix likes open source for a reason
[21:45] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok well if you suggest i help an existing distro how would i do that...i know C++, some C, and a decent amount of python...
[21:48] <calc> Jimi__Hendrix: determine what you are actually interested in doing then help in that area
[21:49] <calc> if you want to help with the installer for ubuntu for example look though the ubiquity bugs and see if there is anything you can fix, etc
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> learning about how a distro works so i can make my own
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> ahh
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok
[21:49] <Jimi__Hendrix> and what do i do if i fix one?
[21:51] <calc> create a patch and attach it to the bug in launchpad
[21:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok cool
[21:52] <Jimi__Hendrix> one more thing...i think...for now...maybe
[21:53] <Jimi__Hendrix> is there a way to test the installer without reinstalling a bunch of times on a computer...lol
[21:57] <RainCT> Jimi__Hendrix: virtual machine?
[21:58]  * Jimi__Hendrix shrugs
[21:59] <crimsun> johanbr: RE 275998, pulseaudio-related but not the sole culprit
[22:00] <johanbr> crimsun: I see. Thank you for looking into that.
[22:01] <johanbr> Is it easily fixable?
[22:02] <crimsun> johanbr: I need to read the attachments RSN to answer that ;)
[22:02] <johanbr> ahh :)
[23:00] <Chipzz> 22:29 < Jimi__Hendrix> calc, so if i really want my own distro...where should i go to look up how to make it?
[23:01] <Jimi__Hendrix> yes?
[23:01] <Chipzz> if you're asking this question, the answer simply is "don't"
[23:01] <ion_> :-)
[23:02] <Chipzz> if you're capable enough to make your own distro, you should know how to figure these things out by yourself
[23:02] <Jimi__Hendrix> ok so all the people at cannical had this information when they were born?
[23:02] <directhex> yes
[23:02] <ion_> yep
[23:02] <Chipzz> if you don't know how to figure out these things on your own, you are not capable enough and shouldn't bother
[23:02] <directhex> or they learnt their craft when tinkering with debian, using published documentation
[23:02] <directhex> which is the same thing, sorta
[23:02] <Chipzz> or they used google
[23:03] <directhex> Chipzz, or msn live search!
[23:03] <Chipzz> directhex: now now, no need to be rude ;)
[23:05] <Jimi__Hendrix> google returns LFS
[23:05] <Jimi__Hendrix> ibm says lfs
[23:05] <directhex> LFS is if you *really* want to do, well, from scratch
[23:11] <Chipzz> Jimi__Hendrix: why do you want to make your own distro in the first place? What added value do you think it has to the opensource community at large (hint: I think it actually subtracts rather than adds to the opensourc community; every new distro causes more fragmentation which is not something we need IMO)
[23:16] <Jimi__Hendrix> Chipzz, school project on anything...and lfs makes this sound doable...unless lfs does not result in a new distro
[23:17] <Jimi__Hendrix> afk but feel free to reply...io will read it eventually
[23:17] <Chipzz> school project? :P
[23:19] <Chipzz> anyway you probably should be looking at LFS then, but more as a "bootstrapping linux" experiment
[23:20] <Chipzz> I wouldn't go for a whole new distribution
[23:21] <directhex> custom debian/ubuntu? that's achievable
[23:21] <Chipzz> I don't know how much time you're supposed to be spending on this project, but I'm guessing that just the bootstrapping would fill your assigned time :)
[23:21] <Dyresen> If you just want to learn stuff, run slackware for a couple of years.
[23:22] <Chipzz> never tried LFS, but I think LFS would be a better way to learn things
[23:22] <Chipzz> provided you don't just copy/paste all the commands
[23:23] <directhex> Chipzz, remember, gentoo teaches you linux - nothing says "contributing to free software" like watching lots of 'make' output scroll past
[23:24] <Dyresen> directhex: I don't agree. If you run gentoo for a couple of years you know more linux than most people.
[23:24] <Dyresen> directhex: running gentoo will force you to read documentation and do a lot of editing in config files.
[23:25] <directhex> quantity, not quality
[23:25] <Dyresen> Then you are allready miles past most of the people asking for help in the ubuntu channel.
[23:27] <Dyresen> anyway, Im hit by a ubuntu packaging bug (as far as I can see, and I know quite a few people are)
[23:27] <Dyresen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/puppet/+bug/296605
[23:27] <Dyresen> Can some one doing ruby/rails/puppet packaging look into it?


[05:45] <Kilos> hi captine  ambo_  gremble  Squirm  nuvolari  octoquad  and others
[05:46] <Kilos> oh my and inetpro  as well too
[05:58] <gremble> Hello Kilos
[06:00] <gremble> www.voidlinux.eu :o
[06:00] <gremble> That looks pretty cool
[06:07] <Kilos> what gui will it use or is everything cli based?
[06:28] <nuvolari> oh hi omo Kilos
[06:28] <nuvolari> er
[06:28] <nuvolari> *oom
[06:28] <nuvolari> oh hi gremble
[06:29] <Kilos> lol
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[06:36] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:44] <superfly> morning Kilos, gremble, nuvolari, ThatGraemeGuy
[06:45] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:45] <Kilos> rev telkom
[06:46] <Kilos> they seem to give better service to mobile peeps
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi fly
[07:02] <gremble> Kilos: it can use whatever gui you would like it to use
[07:02] <gremble> It is initially installed with no GUI though
[07:03] <Kilos> ah
[07:07] <gremble> ya'll needs SASL authentication
[07:07] <Kilos> and the same to you
[07:07] <Kilos> peeps always vloek me
[07:07] <Kilos> sigh
[07:08] <gremble> I authenticate with SASl
[07:08] <gremble> SASL*
[07:08] <Kilos> SASL?
[07:08] <Kilos> hehe
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz: google sasl
[07:08] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: "Simple Authentication and Security Layer (SASL) - Wikipedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Authentication_and_Security_Layer :: "SASL: Simple Authentication and Security Layer - Andrew Systems ..." http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/ :: "Connecting with SASL - Freenode" https://freenode.net/sasl/ :: "RFC 4422 - Simple Authentication and Security
[07:08] <Maaz> Layer (SASL)" https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4422 :: "Postfix SASL Howto" http://www.postfix.…
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> tada!
[07:09] <Kilos> you think i got my email addy for a joke
[07:09] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy
[07:10] <Kilos> when i first started with internet use, the lady that helped me suggested it, because i knew so little
[07:11] <gremble> That's not very nice of her
[07:11] <Kilos> ya but so true
[07:11] <Kilos> i was totally doff
[07:12] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:12] <Kilos> but i could fix her bmws auto gearbox
[07:12] <Kilos> hello my pro
[07:13] <Kilos> so the 2days work on the car payed for the months teaching on xp
[07:13] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well :-)
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo pro
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe so cheeky
[07:16] <Kilos> inetpro  if i have no reply from the namibia ubuntu team within a week will you germanise the mail for us?
[07:17] <inetpro> uh, why?
[07:17] <Kilos> i looked at the zim ubuntu peeps but their emails are even dead
[07:18] <Kilos> well they maybe like you and dont understand english
[07:18]  * Kilos ducks
[07:18] <gremble> Actually, I think Afrikaans is more widely spread in Namibia than English
[07:20] <Kilos> i didnt think of that. ill wait and see then try again
[07:21] <Kilos> maybe i should join their group first
[07:21] <Kilos> but now back to whatsapp on fone
[07:21] <Kilos> grrr
[07:22] <Kilos> i even have the user guide hehe
[07:25] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:36] <Kilos> hmm... i woke up
[07:36] <Kilos> xperia will never find the playstore without a gmail account
[07:37] <Kilos> i turned it off because i dont need mails here and on fone grrr
[07:42] <gremble> You can turn of emails
[07:42] <gremble> off*
[07:42] <Kilos> great ill look for thaat ty gremble
[08:00] <charl> good morinng
[08:00] <charl> *morning
[08:00] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:00]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:03] <Kilos> hi c ha
[08:03] <Kilos> ai!
[08:03] <Kilos> charl  too
[08:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:14] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:14] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:14] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:14] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:17] <charl> hi mazal, Kilos
 i turned it off because i dont need mails here and on fone grrr
 You can turn of emails
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> o_O
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is probably the third time you've gone down this road
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> settings/accounts/google account/uncheck gmail
[09:36] <Kilos> ty
[09:39] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo :)
[09:39] <gremble> The road less travelled has to be travelled over and over and over and over and ...
[09:40] <Kilos> for sure
[10:03] <arnaudmez> Hello
[10:04] <arnaudmez> Happy New year bros !!
[10:07] <gremble> You're only almost a month late
[10:07] <gremble> Well done
[10:07] <gremble> :P
[10:07] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  same for you ty
[10:07] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[10:07] <arnaudmez> hi gremble
[10:08] <Kilos> you not supposed to be away so long
[10:08] <arnaudmez> French countries celebrate it until they get tired and i'm living in a french country
[10:08] <Kilos> you supposed to be here daily
[10:08] <arnaudmez> So i will keep it until i get bored of this HNY thing
[10:09] <Kilos> ok maybe you are the guy i need
[10:09] <Kilos> where are you again?
[10:10] <Kilos> im trying to get as amny countries in africa linked so we can grow the ubuntu community in africa
[10:10] <Kilos> as many
[10:11] <arnaudmez> I'm in Congo Brazzaville
[10:11] <arnaudmez> That's interresting Kilos
[10:11] <arnaudmez> Explain the topo
[10:11] <Kilos> thats just what i want
[10:12] <Kilos> well if you look at the ubuntu map. africa is sadly behind other continents
[10:12] <arnaudmez> link ?
[10:12] <Kilos> eish now ive lost that link
[10:13] <Kilos> im looking
[10:13] <Kilos> Maaz  google ubuntu map
[10:13] <Maaz> Kilos: "Maps — Ubuntu Apps Directory" https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/maps/ :: "Ubuntu - OpenStreetMap Wiki" http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu :: "Open Street Map Installation Tutorial (Ubuntu 12.04) - SlideShare" http://www.slideshare.net/MarcHuang1/osm-installation-en :: "osm-gps-map package : Ubuntu - Launchpad"
[10:13] <Maaz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/osm-gps-map :: "GMapCatcher, An Offline Google and OpenStreet ... - Ubuntu Vibes" h…
[10:13] <Kilos> ai!
[10:15] <Kilos> gremble  can you see last nights link to slexy.org from me please
[10:15] <Kilos> konversation grays out old stuff
[10:16] <gremble>  http://slexy.org/view/s2uqc4PO0Q
[10:16] <arnaudmez> Thanks Kilos
[10:16] <arnaudmez> having a look just now
[10:16] <gremble> This one?
[10:16] <Kilos> lemme see ty
[10:17] <Kilos> arnaudmez  http://people.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil/ubuntumembers-map.html
[10:17] <arnaudmez> okay I see better now
[10:18] <arnaudmez> Kilos: what do we need to do for this to get fixed
[10:18] <Kilos> arnaudmez  that slexy link is what i want to send to all the ubuntu groups all over
[10:18] <arnaudmez> at least for the Congo my country
[10:18] <arnaudmez> let me see
[10:18] <Kilos> i need to know if there is an ubuntu community there
[10:19] <Kilos> who are the admin guys and their contact info or you can be the contact if you like
[10:19] <Kilos> maybe even build an official Loco there
[10:20] <arnaudmez_> put me as a contact please
[10:20] <arnaudmez_> principal Admin and contact
[10:21] <Kilos> right can you mail me all your info to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:22] <Kilos> and also help me find other ubuntu contacts in surrounding countries
[10:23] <Kilos> Symmetria  you can help too
[10:25] <Kilos> ai they got worse net than we do
[10:27] <arnaudmez_> Kilos: who ?
[10:27] <Kilos> arnaudmez_  who what?
[10:27] <Kilos> im lost
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:28] <arnaudmez> Kilos: email me atn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with details you want me to fill in and I will proceed right now
[10:28] <Kilos> cool ty
[10:31] <Kilos> actually arnaudmez  greate a wiki page for yourself as well
[10:31] <Kilos> create
[10:32] <arnaudmez> okay, wiki page ... please direct me ... what will be the best wiki site to use ?
[10:32] <Kilos> sec
[10:33] <Kilos> here is mine
[10:33] <Kilos> Good morning to you, I am from South Africa and we were discussing linking up the various African countries the other night.
[10:33] <Kilos> We use irc > freenode > #ubuntu-za and mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to stay in contact, and grow ubuntu in this manner. We have 2 members on the ubuntu-dev team and another python programmer who has a package in the repos. On our irc channel we are also available for online help to any linux users anywhere. We have members on other linux distributions as well, such as, archlinux,  redhat and some others. We also have members in the
[10:33] <Kilos> Netherlands Belguim the UK and other countries. please feel free to join us and maybe have a contact person on our irc channel. If you look at this map you will see Africa is sadly lagging behind.
[10:33] <Kilos> http://people.ubuntu.com/~chilicuil/ubuntumembers-map.html
[10:33] <Kilos> Lets get together and grow Ubuntu Africa.
[10:33] <Kilos> Hoping to hear from you soon.
[10:33] <Kilos> Miles Sharpe
[10:33] <Kilos> Kilos on IRC
[10:33] <Kilos> ai
[10:33] <Kilos> sorry guys
[10:33] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kilos#preview
[10:33] <Kilos> got mixed up with left and right clicks
[10:34] <Kilos> you need a launchpad account
[10:36] <Kilos> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount
[10:44] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:45] <arnaudmez> lauchpad account you said
[10:45] <arnaudmez> will proceed this evening with that
[10:45] <arnaudmez> but first I've replied to you
[10:45] <Kilos> yip you need that to create a wiki page
[10:45] <Kilos> cool
[10:45] <arnaudmez> and i will keep those links
[10:46] <Kilos> than you
[10:46] <Kilos> thank you too
[10:46] <Kilos> whew typing getting worse
[10:46] <arnaudmez> no problemo
[10:49] <Kilos> im trying to get contact info for somaunn as well so if you know him chase him here please
[10:50] <Kilos> oh sorry arnaudmez  did you need help with something?
[10:50] <arnaudmez> Somaunn+arnaudmez=the same person
[10:51] <Kilos> oh my goodness thats lekker
[10:53] <Kilos> get all your ubuntu peeps to get launchpad accounts
[10:53] <Kilos> actually all your linux users is good too
[10:56] <mazal> Kan die dag nie maar klaarkom nie
[10:56] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:56] <mazal> Erger as 'n Maandag vandag
[10:57] <Kilos> dit begin nou eers interesant word man
[10:57] <mazal> Ek begin nou daai gaaivol punt bereik
[10:58] <Kilos> ai!
[10:58] <Kilos> drink koffie
[10:58] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[10:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[10:58] <mazal> Virusse en id10t's heel dag lank
[10:59] <Kilos> Maaz  with rusks
[10:59] <Maaz> There is a packet of Ouma's in the cupboard Kilos help yourself
[10:59] <Kilos> you have to educate you internet users better
[10:59] <mazal> En stupid Win
[10:59] <arnaudmez> ty Kilos
[11:00] <Kilos> cool arnaudmez
[11:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:02] <arnaudmez> mazal: what I did, install VMware > Put windows there
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[11:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[11:03] <arnaudmez> My PC runs Fed21 full time
[11:03] <mazal> I can't arnaudmez
[11:03] <arnaudmez> mazal: why
[11:03] <mazal> Is not a personal choice , it's forced unto us as it's the work's OS of choice
[11:03] <mazal> So we are stuck with the junk
[11:04] <arnaudmez> mazal: One thing i've learned for years now!!! Never put your life into work stuffs (laptops, phones, etc.)
[11:04] <arnaudmez> there is always a choice to make
[11:04] <mazal> Unfortunately this one is not ours to make
[11:05] <arnaudmez> ask them for you to use you laptop (personal) just setup a VM there ...
[11:05] <mazal> No you don't understand , is not just me , we are managing a network of over 300 pc's
[11:05] <arnaudmez> tell them, they will save money doing that and if they want you will provide them with that full system image the day you the fight against them ....  Virtual OS is something I must still learn someday
[11:10] <mazal> I don't need it , but just for my own knowledge. Have never tried a virtual OS inside another one
[11:13] <Kilos> its actuallt quite lekker
[11:13] <Kilos> actually
[11:13] <Kilos> just slower
[11:13] <arnaudmez> mazal: this is for you https://www.virtualbox.org/
[11:13] <arnaudmez> mazal: this one too www.vmware.com
[11:14] <Kilos> there is a faster one than virtualbox
[11:14] <arnaudmez> I'm working as a support team member and i'm doing config of POS's throught my Vmachine and it's working just like a dream
[11:19] <mazal> I'll ask you again one day when I get the time to learn it :)
[11:21] <Kilos> hehe
[11:21] <Kilos> i need to ask for what it is called as well
[11:31] <arnaudmez> faster VM manager than vbox ?
[11:31] <Kilos> yeah
[11:32] <Kilos> inetpro  is using it and ThatGraemeGuy  i think
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[11:32] <Kilos> the fast virtual machine ThatGraemeGuy
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuuuuuhhhhh
[11:33]  * ThatGraemeGuy confused
[11:33] <arnaudmez> should be http://virt-manager.org/ if i'm not wrong ... someone to correct me
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh for kvm stuffs
[11:34] <Kilos> faster than virtualbox
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> we use proxmox
[11:34] <Kilos> ya thats it
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> but virt-manager is probably the same deal
[11:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> they are all just tools for managing VMs based on KVM
[11:35] <Kilos> ty
[11:35] <arnaudmez> proxmox ??? never eared about
[11:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> KVM is what does the real work and thats the same whether you are using proxmox, virt-manager, virsh or any of a few dozen others
[11:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://www.proxmox.com/proxmox-ve
[11:41] <charl> i hear good things of ovirt
[11:41] <charl> i have never been a big fan of proxmox
[11:42] <arnaudmez> okay guys i got it
[11:42] <arnaudmez> proxmox is a paravirt solution
[11:42] <charl> virtualbox isn't bad for desktop virtualisation though even though it's not entirely open source
[11:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i honestly haven't used a significant variety of the KVM management tools to have any sort of meaningful opinion
[11:42] <charl> vmware is faster but vmware is entirely proprietary
[11:42] <arnaudmez> it's actually depends on what you want to achieve
[11:43] <charl> virtualbox is the default vagrant provider as well but there is a vagrant kvm provider too
[11:43] <arnaudmez> charl: http://virt-manager.org/ is also a good thing it's integrate directly with KVM and do the Job
[11:44] <arnaudmez> every person passing the RHCSA or RHCE cursus need to understand KVM by the use of virt-manager
[11:44] <charl> problem is most images on the vagrant cloud are only "compiled" for virtualbox
[11:44] <charl> arnaudmez: i know of it, i have used it back in 07/08
[11:44] <charl> one of the first versions of that i believe, can't recall
[11:45] <charl> it was the first kvm gui tool afaik
[11:46] <charl> i run here a combination of virtualbox and vmware but not happy with either
[11:46] <charl> but those are the best supported so if you want to get things done without too much hassle ...
[11:46] <charl> on the server i would definitely go for either xen source or for kvm
[11:48] <arnaudmez> yeah, i understand that
[11:48] <arnaudmez> that why i said "peoples who are passing RH cursus..."
[11:49] <charl> ganeti used to be really cool
[11:49] <arnaudmez> I'm now using vmware only and find it even better, still I need to understand their internal network principle
[11:49] <charl> not sure if anyone still use that
[11:50] <charl> vmware networking ... heh heh heh
[11:50] <charl> i try to just run everything in bridge mode
[11:50] <mazal> maaz koffie on
[11:50] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[11:50] <mazal> maaz kettle on
[11:50] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[11:50] <mazal> Ag nee man
[11:50] <charl> coffee on mazal
[11:50] <mazal> Ah
[11:51] <mazal> maaz koffie
[11:51] <Maaz> Vra in engels man mazal
[11:51] <mazal> maaz coffee on
[11:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:51] <mazal> yay !!!!
[11:51] <charl> give Maaz a kick in the bottom bucket
[11:51] <mazal> Hi charl
[11:51] <charl> Maaz: coffee please
[11:51] <Maaz> charl: Righto
[11:51] <charl> hi mazal :)
[11:51] <mazal> Shees I am struggling to keep my eyes open
[11:51] <mazal> All of sudden the moeg attacks me
[11:52] <charl> nono it's friday
[11:52] <charl> first it's beer o clock and then it's sleep time later
[11:53] <mazal> Dunno what's going on these days , have zero energy :P
[11:54] <mazal> maaz hurry up dude
[11:54] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[11:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for mazal and charl!
[11:55] <mazal> maaz dankie tog
[11:55] <Maaz> mazal: Sorry...
[11:56] <mazal> maaz we are going to have to work on our communication
[11:56] <Maaz> mazal: I already know stuff about we
[11:56] <mazal> oh boy
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:58] <charl> Maaz: danke
[11:58] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[11:59] <charl> Maaz is all like "ich verstehe dein denglish nicht"
[12:00] <charl> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUua8CcWLdg
[12:01] <mazal> My speakers don't work :(
[12:02] <mazal> Well , they work , but so soft I can't here anything really
[12:13] <charl> bah
[12:27] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[12:34] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[12:35] <Private_User> hmm...
[12:35] <Private_User> Kilos: no longer part of ##ubuntu-za-social?
[12:35] <Kilos> oh my
[12:35] <Kilos> i forgot to add it when i had to install again
[12:39] <Private_User> lol
[12:39] <charl> so it turns out there are a couple of things that i don't understand
[12:39] <Private_User> yeah we always forget the minor stuff after a reinstall
[12:39] <charl> firstly, the obvious thing to do with a new version of *buntu is to try it in virtualbox
[12:39] <charl> downloaded kubuntu vivid, open it in virtualbox, it's a display mess
[12:40] <charl> downloaded lubuntu vivid, open it in virtualbox, display is also a mess
[12:40] <charl> these are the small things that mean you either make it or you don't
[12:40] <charl> no wonder so few people run ubuntu on a desktop
[12:40] <charl> linux mint, on the other side, works perfectly (of course)
[12:41] <charl> why, because mint is not made by The Evil Linux Enpire (TM)
[12:43] <mazal> I'm off. Have a nice weekend everyone. Be safe and God bless
[12:43] <Kilos> you too lad
[12:43] <Kilos> behave
[12:43] <Kilos> oi
[12:45] <charl> lubuntu and kubuntu both fail but guess what... kylin works perfectly
[12:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> debian ftw
[12:46]  * ThatGraemeGuy hides
[12:46] <charl> indeed ThatGraemeGuy
[12:46] <charl> apparently we should just sell ourselves over to the chinese because we are now unable to produce quality products in the west
[12:46] <arnaudmez> charl: not bad at least something worx
[12:47] <charl> the default wallpaper choice is also much better in kylin
[12:47] <arnaudmez> someone can advise here ? i'm looking for a screen recorder software
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> arnaudmez: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
[12:48] <arnaudmez> ty ThatGraemeGuy
[12:48] <charl> it is also useless to run unity inside vmware due to the graphical effects
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[12:49] <charl> you would think somebody would have been intelligent enough to detect the lack of gpu and simply turn all that crap off automatically
[12:49] <charl> ah will you look at that, ubuntu vivid gnome 3 works perfectly
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> its' open source, get coding
[12:50] <charl> there we go, gnome 3 ftw
[12:50] <charl> forget about unity and kubuntu
[12:50] <charl> and lubuntu for that matter
[12:50] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: i have never worked on a linux desktop in my life
[12:50] <charl> programmed i mean
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> then why are you cluttering up our channel with your ranting if you aren't willing to be part of the solution? :)
[12:51] <Kilos> rofl
[12:52] <Private_User> lol
[12:52] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: because i am playing the average user, and the average user is not a programmer :)
[12:52] <charl> so that's a very simple answer
[12:52] <charl> if you are going to tell the average user "go fix the problem yourself" you will very fast have no users left
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> statistically the average user is probably using windows 7 actually
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> and utterly unaware of everything you ranted about
[12:55] <charl> well then it's time to change that...
[12:55] <charl> but change starts by getting the basics right
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes yes
[12:55] <charl> i should rephrase "the average linux user" not the average user, valid point though
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> you do realise you are not the first one to go down this road? :)
[12:55] <charl> true, true
[12:56] <charl> but you see, my point is basically this: i have friends/colleagues/other people i know
[12:56] <charl> they (mostly) use windows
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> in my mind one of the greatest challenges in the world of open source is the ease with which people go off to reinvent the wheel
[12:56] <charl> i'm the *only* real linux desktop user in the office
[12:56] <charl> i tell them to go try it, this is their experience, and they move back to windows
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> there was a time you used KDE or GNOME, or a light window manager like (flux|open)box, or whatnot
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> the fragmentation is getting worse, not better
[12:57] <charl> very true that
[12:57] <charl> for example people ask me "which desktop should i try" and i honestly don't know what to answer
[12:58] <Kilos> ai!
[12:58] <charl> some people like unity, some people like gnome, some people like kde, some people like mate, cinnamon, lxde, xfce, i3, enlightenment etc etc
[12:58] <charl> so what do you end up recommending *shrug*
[12:58] <Kilos> point them to a lts thats stable already
[13:04] <Kilos> new peeps should never go to a new release unless they know where to go for help
[13:07] <charl> also true Kilos
[13:32] <Kilos> hi Guest7907
[13:32] <Kilos> wassup mage
[13:32] <Guest7907> hi Kilos it is magespawn
[13:32] <Kilos> whats broken
[13:32] <Guest7907> nickserv is telling magespawn is already in use
[13:32] <Guest7907> hold a sec
[13:33] <Guest7907> brb
[13:34] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[13:34] <magespawn> ty
[13:34] <magespawn> not sure what happened ther
[13:34] <magespawn> there
[13:34] <Kilos> lol
[13:35] <Kilos> help is actually a good nick for noobs with probs
[14:07] <arnaudmez_> camstudio=crap > recordmydesktop=good
[14:09] <charl> hi magespawn
[14:11] <magespawn> hi charl
[15:12] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:14] <Kilos> early storm decided my pc needs a rest
[16:09] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[16:09] <Tonberry_> hi
[16:42] <magespawn> good evening
[16:44] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:49] <Squirm> Greetings
[16:49] <magespawn> hi Squirm
[16:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[16:50] <gremble> magespawn: next time nickserv says that your nick is in use, just use the ghost command: nickserve ghost magespawn password123
[16:51] <Squirm> yep
[16:51] <magespawn> ahh yes i forgot the nickserve part
[16:51] <gremble> oh it is /msg nickserve :P
[16:52] <gremble> that is important, otherwise you would be sharing your password with us
[16:52] <magespawn> i was using: nick ghost
[16:52] <gremble> (I've done that before)
[16:54] <magespawn> me too
[16:54] <magespawn> followed very quickly by a password reset
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:01] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[17:01] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[17:03] <gremble> I forgot how annoying join/part messages are
[17:09] <captine> eve all.  where does one get all the details of what maaz will do or say?
[17:09] <captine> seems he is pretty intelligent :)
[17:09] <captine> or she....
[17:11] <gremble> I don't think a python script generally identifies with a gender. You can send him a private message with help perhaps to get some information
[17:12] <Squirm> Maaz: help
[17:12] <Maaz> Squirm: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:12] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:12] <Squirm> captine: like that :)
[17:12] <Squirm> Maaz: help with games
[17:12] <Maaz> Squirm: I use the following features for games: duel and werewolf
[17:12] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:12] <Squirm> Maaz: duel
[17:12] <Maaz> Squirm: What?
[17:12] <Squirm> Maaz: help with duel
[17:12] <Maaz> Squirm: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:12] <magespawn> and if you use a private message then you can practice away
[17:13] <Squirm> Maaz: how do I use duek
[17:13] <Maaz> Squirm: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[17:13] <captine> cool.  thanks
[17:13] <Squirm> Maaz: how do I use duel
[17:13] <Maaz> Squirm: Duel at dawn, between channel members.  Do you accept?
[17:14] <Maaz> magespawn appears to have fled the country during the night
[17:15] <Squirm> :/
[17:15] <captine> funny
[17:21] <superfly> Logged an ADSL fault via my ISP
[17:24] <magespawn> lol
[17:24] <magespawn> any luck superfly?
[17:24] <superfly> magespawn: did it when I got home an hour ago, will have to see how long it takes
[17:25] <superfly> *sigh* I can't seem to browse any sites via my phone
[17:26] <superfly> only things like IRC and Telegram work
[17:26] <superfly> I'm on HSDPA for crying out loud!
[17:28] <Kilos> ai!
[17:29] <Squirm> superfly: who's your ISP?
[17:31] <superfly> Squirm: Axxess
[17:31] <superfly> Squirm: was a Telkom fault, but they haven't fixed it properly yet, so I asked my ISP to prod them along
[17:31] <Squirm> :/
[17:31] <Squirm> Good thinking
[17:31] <superfly> In my opinion, Axxess is by far the best out there.
[17:32] <Squirm> They seem to be doing well, don't know many people using them
[17:32] <Squirm> I'm also pretty impressed with Afrihost though
[17:33] <superfly> I used to use Afrihost, but when I moved and my ADSL moved, they couldn't get 2 and 2 together, so I dropped them and switched to Axxess, best decision I ever made (second only to marrying my wife ;-) )
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Don't forget tuesday nights monthly meeting guys
[17:38] <Kilos> ai!
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz  hey
[17:38] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Don't forget tuesday nights monthly meeting guys
[17:38]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[17:38] <Kilos> wow that took long
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz  wake up
[17:39] <superfly> Tuesday is also the day when DebConf 16 is decided
[17:40] <Squirm> superfly: that's cool, Axxess has some good deals too
[17:40] <Squirm> Can't afford ADSL at the moment
[17:40] <Squirm> :/
[17:40] <Kilos> ai!
[17:41] <Kilos> tough in africa
[17:41] <superfly> Squirm: it's one of those non-negotiables in our house
[17:42] <Squirm> superfly: Yeah...  :P My grandfather is 84 and weightlifts 3 times a week haha
[17:53] <Kilos> those days are long gone
[17:53] <Kilos> head dont allow much physical stuff
[17:53] <gremble> Aww
[17:53] <Kilos> ya painful. i used to be very active
[17:54] <Kilos> used to be able to take a fair sized bull by the horns and twist till he dropped
[17:55] <Kilos> now i battle with a 20kg lamb
[17:55] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <Kilos> but i got internet
[17:55] <gremble> You should just remind the lamb that it would be delicious on a spit
[17:55]  * gremble makes a note that he should get one for his birthday this year
[17:55] <Kilos> lol shame i think the thing has brain damage
[17:56] <Kilos> but when it sees me it starts clapping its jaws together in anticipation of all the mulberry leaves its going to get
[17:56] <Kilos> very funny little thing
[17:58] <Kilos> they actually expensive to buy nowadays. not many peeps can afford lamb for a spit anymore
[17:58] <gremble> I probably can't either
[17:58] <gremble> but it would be nice to see if I can organise something
[17:58] <gremble> haha
[17:59] <Kilos> i think its around 80 bucks a kg
[17:59] <gremble> I'll have to get a really tiny one then
[17:59] <gremble> D:
[18:00] <Kilos> and a nice size for spit is 15 to 20 kg
[18:00] <gremble> You're dashing all my hopes and dreams
[18:00] <Kilos> meat prices have gone mad
[18:00] <Kilos> sorry
[18:00] <Kilos> i can post you some lamb droppings free
[18:01] <Kilos> even some lambs wool
[18:01] <gremble> I've always wanted poop
[18:02] <Kilos> lol good for the garden
[18:02] <Kilos> we got tons
[18:02] <gremble> I prefer the personal touch to gardening
[18:02] <gremble> So I generally prefer to poop in my own garden
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Kilos> oh my someone was here today using unity and wanted to upgrade
[18:05] <Kilos> i forgot to tell him to use the built in backup tool
[18:05] <Kilos> deja-dup
[18:05] <Kilos> makes great backups
[18:07] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[18:08] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[18:09] <Kilos> Private_User  wb
[18:10] <Private_User> thank you Kilos
[18:10] <magespawn> looks like the net is not playing the game tonight
[18:10] <Kilos> you must try sort your client to cloak before login in here
[18:10] <Private_User> my connection seems to be crap today
[18:10] <Private_User> on and off
[18:10] <Private_User> off and on
[18:11] <Kilos> what client are you using
[18:11] <Kilos> xchat?
[18:11] <Private_User> Pidgin
[18:11] <Private_User> but I think its my connectivity
[18:11] <Kilos> sjoe i havent done that for years
[18:11] <Kilos> nono
[18:11] <Private_User> not sure if its the weather
[18:11] <Kilos> watch
[18:11] <Kilos> -> Private_User<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined this channel.
[18:11] <Kilos> [23/01/2015 20:08] <-- Private_User<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left this server (Changing host).
[18:11] <Kilos> [23/01/2015 20:08] --> Private_User (~Private_U@unaffiliated/private-user/x-9143494) has joined this channel.
[18:12] <Kilos> see you dont login cloaked
[18:12] <Private_User> or because I am sitting in my parent out building and working
[18:12] <Kilos> in pidgin is there 2 places to enter your password
[18:12] <Private_User> Itested last weekend and it was fine
[18:12] <Private_User> let me check
[18:12] <Kilos> one at server , i forget the other one
[18:13] <Private_User> I only see on in the settings
[18:13] <Kilos> ai!
[18:14] <Kilos> we can ask the peeps on freenode
[18:14] <Private_User> but I think its my connection
[18:14] <Kilos>  do /j #freenode
[18:14] <Private_User> cause you never saw that before I assume since you only mention today?
[18:14] <Kilos> maybe ok leave it now but i think thats how you always login
[18:14] <Kilos> i just never thought about it
[18:15] <Private_User> ok lets see how it goes if it continues I will go back into the house and check
[18:15] <Kilos> not serious just uses 3 lines instead of one and shows your ip the first time
[18:16] <Private_User> trying to make this my office so this year I can start making some money
[18:16] <Kilos> good
[18:16] <Private_User> ok thanks for mentioning Kilos
[18:16] <Kilos> np
[18:16] <Private_User> lets monitor it and see how it goes
[18:16] <Kilos> will do
[18:16] <Private_User> but the connectivity is crap at the moment
[18:17] <magespawn> ]funny how it seems to go through stages like that
[18:17] <Kilos> the peeps at #freenode are very helpful and im sure they have pidgin users there too
[18:18] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> i think its if freenode ses your password before open channels it cloaks you
[18:18] <Private_User> I will give them a shout when this connection gets better if not then I will have to go into the house and try again
[18:18] <Kilos> sees
[18:19] <inetpro> gremble, magespawn: it's nickserv not nickserve
[18:19] <inetpro> good evening
[18:19] <Kilos> ill go with you to freenode
[18:19] <Kilos> hi thewre inetpro
[18:19] <Kilos> oh i forgot
[18:19] <Kilos> im not deaf or blind, just ignoring you
[18:20]  * Kilos hides
[18:20] <inetpro> ai!
[18:20] <Private_User> nah I am convinced its my connectivity trying other stuff that is normally quick and still very delayed
[18:20] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[18:21] <Kilos> np Private_User  we can check it out
[18:21]  * inetpro hides in the corner again
[18:21] <Kilos> no rush
[18:21] <Kilos> inetpro  wb my friend
[18:21] <inetpro> ty Kilos
[18:23] <Kilos> the 2 passwords are nickserv password and server password
[18:29] <magespawn> and there we go again
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <magespawn> i am off for tonight, good night all
[18:41] <Kilos> sjoe so fast
[18:43] <inetpro> good night mage[tab]
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro  dont even try catch up tonight. peeps chatted lots today
[18:45] <inetpro> way too much, I see
[18:45]  * inetpro too tired to even try
[18:45] <Kilos> but some was interesting
[18:45] <inetpro> like?
[18:46] <Kilos> got congo to belinked with us so we can maybe get them to form thier own loco they have 20 members
[18:46] <Kilos> but they nearly all speak french
[18:47] <Kilos> only arnaud speaks english
[18:47] <Kilos> arnaud=somaunn
[18:47] <inetpro> that's nice
[18:47] <Kilos> ill try get more
[18:47] <inetpro> they applying for memberships?
[18:48] <Kilos> ive got them to first get accounts at launchpad
[18:48] <Kilos> might take a while
[18:48] <inetpro> mooi!
[18:49] <superfly> hi inetpro
[18:49] <Kilos> iirc most are linux noobs
[18:49] <inetpro> hello superfly
[18:51] <inetpro> superfly: you back online again?
[18:51] <superfly> nope
[18:51] <superfly> using my phone as a wifi hotspot
[18:52] <captine> Kilos, you've been busy
[18:52] <Kilos> i try captine
[18:53] <Kilos> i was lucky with the congo because arnaud first came here for help
[18:54] <Kilos> the others are not as easy to even get mail replies from
[18:54]  * inetpro wonders whether there's a map with launchpad members?
[18:55] <Kilos> google is your friend
[18:55] <Kilos> hehe
[19:01] <inetpro> tomorrow is another day... good night
[19:01] <Kilos> night inetpro
[19:01] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:20] <captine> night
[19:20] <Kilos> night captine
[19:20] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:20] <captine> lol.  was saying night to inetpro
[19:20] <Kilos> haha
[19:20] <captine> waiting for my some to wake for his 10pm bottle, then to bed i go
[19:21] <Kilos> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> kids are hard work
[19:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight