[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: with the same settings and target machines, i would think so
[15:08] <lvjiabin> So many bosses
[15:09] <mehmet> kubuntu7.10ded
[15:09] <juancamilo> hi all
[15:10] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: I'm on a Debian system at the moment, but kubuntu might have these too: electric, linsmith, x10, vipec
[15:10] <juancamilo> i have an external usb drive, and it seems to mount automatically and it appears on the desktop, but when i try to open it i get this error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:10] <lvjiabin> On ,thank you verymuch!
[15:10] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: but I'm not a circuitboard drawing kind, 'just' a systems engineer
[15:11] <lvjiabin> Lynoure,I know ,you are great  also!
[15:11] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: thank you :)
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:12] <mehmet> what is the from
[15:12] <Jucato> Lynoure: all of those you mentioned are available
[15:16] <Lynoure> Jucato: Yes, I assumed they would be, as Ubuntu relies so much on Debian (makes it easy to have them)
[15:16] <Jucato> :)
[15:16]  * Jucato checked Lynoure's list just to be sure
[15:17] <juancamilo_>  i have an external usb drive, and it seems to mount automatically and it appears on the desktop, but when i try to open it i get this error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:18] <juancamilo_> all this is unknown to me, so any help will be apreciated
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo_: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:27]  * genii puts on a new pot of coffee
[15:29] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: I did that but now when i try to open it, it will start loading for a while and then i got this message: did not receive a reply, Possible couses include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
[15:29] <WaltzingAlong> !mounting | juancamilo_, ok. you could try mounting it from within konsole so you see the helpful feedback
[15:29] <ubotu> juancamilo_, ok. you could try mounting it from within konsole so you see the helpful feedback: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo_: also check kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[15:36] <aceler> Well. I am inside new shiny Real Time kernel and with fglrx driver inside.
[15:36] <aceler> :)
[15:36] <aceler> THank you very much.
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> :D aceler
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks :)
[15:38] <aceler> And the last. As you can see, my english is not so fluent. Can anybody describe this situation for ubuntu Wiki?
[15:38] <aceler> For users like me - with the new Radeon card and an RT kernel
[15:41] <BluesKaj> aceler, which model Radeon ?
[15:41] <aceler> HD2600Pro
[15:41] <aceler> The driver in linux-restricted-modules is too old and does not support it
[15:43] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: thanks for the reply. look i tried the system settings and the drive appears there but i don't see anything wrong....???
[15:44] <BluesKaj> aceler, have you checked the ATI site for the recommended driver : http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[15:44] <aceler> BluesKaj: yes, I installed this driver
[15:45] <aceler> And it works.
[15:45] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[15:45] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[15:45] <diesel_> HI all I am having a hard time with my usb external hard drive. I can get it to mount using the sudo mount command manually, but would like it to happen automagicilly. Can anyone help? This is a new learning expeiance for me.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> aceler, did you disable the restricted driver in system settings before installing it ?
[15:45] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: i also did: /$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/jj/ but it just stays there forever, I don't get any feedback from it....
[15:46] <ardchoille> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:46] <aceler> BluesKaj: yes.
[15:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Restricted Extras is a new way of getting common "restricted" codecs, etc. See !RestrictedFormats
[15:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:46] <aceler> BluesKaj: the problem was with RT kernel from ubuntustudio, not the generic one
[15:46] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[15:47] <aceler> In order to install fglrx driver, I recompiled this kernel with no paravirtualization support. That's the trick.
[15:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> you removed kernel support for that in order to install a video driver?  overkill much?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> aceler,well, that driver is also recommended for my ATI card , but it doesn't provide 3D or DRI like the older restricted driver , so I uninstalled the 8.43 and reverted to the older restricted driver cause it works , a bit clunky on google earth but it's the best for my setup
[15:50] <aceler> BluesKaj: what is your card?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> what good is new car if it won't start
[15:50] <BluesKaj> X200G ...elcheapo omboard
[15:50] <BluesKaj> onboard
[15:50] <aceler> The older drivers like 8.39 and older just say that my card is unsupported
[15:51] <aceler> again, I have Radeon HD2600Pro - it's new.
[15:51] <aceler> Moreover, XVideo overlay does not supported here
[15:52] <BluesKaj> have you tried to install the newer unsupported , i heard some ppl were ignoring the ATI recomendations and the drivers worked anyway
[15:53] <aceler> No
[15:53] <aceler> It's not a recomendation. It is an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log :)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> yes I did it in feisty , I took the hd2900 driver and it ran fine ...in gutsy it won't ...the older drivers work better in gutsy
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:55] <BluesKaj> just trying to explore possibilities here
[15:57]  * BluesKaj goes for more coffee
[15:58]  * Jucato goes for milk tea
[15:58] <butter> is there  away to quickly erase the drive containing the OS without the cd?
[15:59] <Ahmuck> butter: not really, any quick erase can be recovered
[15:59] <Ahmuck> if that is what you were asking
[15:59] <Downix> I need a new system
[15:59] <butter> I just want to whipe it out and start over
[15:59] <Ahmuck> ah, then yes, fdisk the parititions
[15:59] <Ahmuck> or use dban
[16:00] <Ahmuck> dban takes a while however
[16:00] <Ahmuck> gparted would be another way
[16:01] <Ahmuck> butter: for that matter, a simple dos diskette would do
[16:02] <butter> hehe I unlplugged my floppy
[16:02] <butter> now it's come back to haunt me
[16:02] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[16:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> mornin' contrast
[16:03] <waylandbill> is it just me, or does konqueror render web pages slowly?
[16:03] <contrast83> hey Daisuke-Laptop
[16:04] <contrast83> waylandbill: From my experience, it depends on the page. Some are lightning fast, others are just a tad slower than Firefox.
[16:04] <Ahmuck> butter: i haven't had a floppy since 2003
[16:04] <butter> lol
[16:04] <Ahmuck> i use cdrom and boot from it
[16:04] <contrast83> And it doesn't seem to have to do with the elements (pictures, Flash, etc.) on the page.
[16:04] <butter> dos boot cd?
[16:05] <contrast83> Is anyone here using Virtualbox in seamless mode with Compiz-Fusion? The viewport I start it on is completely blacked out unless it has a window from the guest OS open on it.
[16:05] <Ahmuck> have you tried vbox forum?
[16:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, it works for me, though i know that's not a great answer
[16:05] <contrast83> It appears to be dead in there. :-\
[16:06] <Ahmuck> ah yes.  nm
[16:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> vbox people and/or compiz-fusion people :)
[16:06] <Ahmuck> vbox
[16:06] <contrast83> Yep, I'm in there too. Nothing. :-)
[16:06] <Ahmuck> *buntu needs a community vbox wiki
[16:06] <Jucato> you could start one if you like
[16:06] <waylandbill> I use vbox, but I don't use compiz fusion. :)
[16:08] <Jucato> there seems to be this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[16:08] <Jucato> !virtualbox
[16:08] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[16:08] <Jucato> oh there...
[16:08] <bbm4n> hello
[16:08] <iulius22ro> hello everyone
[16:08] <bbm4n> guys i have a serious resolution problem
[16:09] <bbm4n> i restarted kubuntu  and they've freaked out!
[16:09] <iulius22ro> plz i want to change my mac adress to be permanent even after a reboot? how can i do that?
[16:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> iulius22ro: mac addresses don't change.
[16:10] <bbm4n> you cannot change you MAC
[16:10] <ardchoille> build your own NIC?
[16:10] <bbm4n> its printed on the NIC
[16:10] <Ahmuck> unfortunately, that page is the instruction book, not a list of problems and thier solutions
[16:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> ardchoille: look at the typing style...  you think a self-built nic is likely in this scenario?
[16:10] <iulius22ro> manually i can with ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55
[16:11] <Ahmuck> yes, you can fake a mac address
[16:11] <iulius22ro> but after a reboot i have to enter it manually again
[16:11] <ardchoille> Daisuke-Laptop: lol, not really.. I was being a smart allek :)
[16:11] <iulius22ro> a a permanent solution?
[16:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> iulius22ro: live with the one you have and stop spoofing mac addresses to leech someone else's bandwidth?
[16:11] <Ahmuck> MAC spoofing
[16:11] <bbm4n> guys can anyone help me with the resolution problem?
[16:11] <ardchoille> pwnd!
[16:11] <Ahmuck> i suppose you could write a script for the problem
[16:12] <Ahmuck> Daisuke-Laptop: actually there are practical applications beyond leeching for mac spoofing
[16:12] <iulius22ro> too hard 4 me :D
[16:13] <bbm4n> i have to scroll wtih mouse, lol!
[16:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> Ahmuck: oh i know
[16:16] <bbm4n> any ideas with restricted drivers maybe?
[16:19] <ardchoille> dasKreech: hi
[16:21] <dasKreech> ardchoille: hello
[16:21] <ubuntu> hallo leute
[16:22] <BluesKaj> dasKreech !
[16:22] <dasKreech> BluesKaj!!!
[16:22] <dasKreech> you old dog :-)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:24] <ubuntu> weis jemand wie man call of duty 2 zum laufen bringt?
[16:25] <Jucato> !de | ubuntu
[16:25] <ubotu> ubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:25] <schiste> !de
[16:25] <schiste> pwnd :(
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: were you using the opensource version or the personal version of virtualbox?
[16:26] <contrast83> Personal
[16:27] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: you could also check in #virtualbox or #vbox
[16:27] <contrast83> Yep, already did. Thanks though.
[16:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> my biggest issue with vbox is that i can't use my usb thumbdrives in it
[16:28] <BluesKaj> aha, now I realize why google earth is so clunky on my setup .. it's a 32bit running off the 32 bit library on a 64bit pc ...or that's the explanation in some of the google earth forums ...does that explanation make sense ?
[16:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> so *all* of my schoolwork for my java class gets done in there, including submission, because i can't save the friggin thing to my flash drive :\
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke-Laptop: yes for that you would need the non-free personal one which has usb support
[16:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> WaltzingAlong: that's the one i'm using.
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: should not be so slow because of that
[16:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> and i still don't have usb support.
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> oh!
[16:30] <WaltzingAlong> on gutsy? you no doubt uncommented the lines you needed to? Daisuke-Laptop http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/747
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> ahhhhhh
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> see, i'm always too busy to google this when i'm working with it
[16:31] <pietjephuck> Any one have an idea how to convert .ts files (hdtv) to dvd?
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> but then when i'm not, i just forget about it
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info devede | pietjephuck
[16:31] <ubotu> pietjephuck: devede: program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> so do it, do it now Daisuke-Laptop :D
[16:32]  * BluesKaj wonders what the "fix" is to make google earth respond more quickly and smoothly ...the recommended ATI proprietary drivers just break X on mysetup
[16:33] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: Get a physical globe?
[16:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> WaltzingAlong: i have done
[16:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> odd to see a script in init.d/ that doesn't accept the restart...  or is it system controlled (on demand)?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> got a map on the wall ...it's just not the same dasKreech :>(
[16:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> *the restart argument
[16:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> BluesKaj: do you have hundreds of pins in the map with string linking them all together in a web of people whose genes are slightly more advanced than our own?
[16:35] <diesel_> How do I find the UUID of a USB connected external hard drive?
[16:35] <contrast83> Hmm... Well, it's not nVidia-specific. It's doing the same thing on my laptop (ATI/AIGLX). I'm starting to think maybe I skipped a step. I just set up the VM normally, then installed Guest Additions and hit R-Ctrl+L. Did I miss something?
[16:35] <dasKreech> two more chromosomes
[16:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> forty six and two?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Daisuke-Laptop, there are no genetic types more advanced than us !
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> diesel_: blkid
[16:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> BluesKaj: haven't you ever watched x-men?  of course there are!
[16:37] <BluesKaj> theyaren't advanced , they're freaks
[16:39]  * Jucato is offended by that...
[16:39] <Jucato> it's people like you that make our existence truly miserable :(
[16:39]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[16:39] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: Species 8472?
[16:39] <ardchoille> lol Jucato
[16:40] <waylandbill> Jucato? innocent? I heard it all now. :-P
[16:40] <BluesKaj> no idea , don't really watch comics on tv ...i'm old
[16:40] <dasKreech> comics on TV :) ah that's classic
[16:40] <Jucato> bwahah!
[16:41] <dasKreech> It's a smallville after all. It's a smallville after all!
[16:41] <diesel_> WaltzingAlong: Thanks much that worked. This has been killing me. I have been trying to get these to auto mount on start up, but no joy so I thought that I would manually edit fstab.
[16:41] <WaltzingAlong> diesel_: great. you could also make the changes via kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[16:42] <X314> is there a way do do a rescue system whatever with any of the boot disks?
[16:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> has that applet improved since feisty?
[16:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> i remember it caused me a lot of grief...  gave my swap partition a mountpoint :\
[16:42] <diesel_> WaltzingAlong: Thanks did not know that. Off to try that.
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> X314: sure what do you need to rescue?
[16:43] <X314> WaltzingAlong my desktop computer -.- it boots, but then the screen just turns black after kubuntu has booted
[16:45] <WaltzingAlong> X314: seems like you may merely need to reconfigure X ; is there the recovery entry in grub still? you could select that, get to the prompt, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh       to reconfigure X; also check the log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for (EE) to explain why X did not start
[16:46] <X314> WaltzingAlong well.. thats the thing.. I think it starts... it just isent sending any info out.. it reacts when I type in my password and press enter.. it thinks for about a minute then turns silent again.. but I cant really be sure..
[16:47] <X314> was after som major software update thingie yesturday, or the day before that i think
[16:47] <WaltzingAlong> X314: when you get to the grub screen where you can select which system to load (you may have to press ESC to see the list) you could make changes to the entry to disable splash and quiet so you see more output
[16:48] <X314> okay.. I'll try that.. be back in 5 min or so..
[16:49] <waylandbill> and the changes don't even need to be permanent. Grub allows one time modification of the command to boot.
[16:56] <LaSombra> Anyone knows if kwin has a tendency to crash with compiz?
[16:57] <waylandbill> LaSombra: yes. alot.
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: either you use compiz or you use kwinh hence kwin --replace    or compiz --replace
[16:57] <LaSombra> waylandbill: Hmmm. Imagined that.
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> kwin*
[16:58] <LaSombra> WaltzingAlong: Yeah, thx :/
[16:58] <LaSombra> Hope this can be fixed inside Kubuntu and not upstream.
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: so what do you mean? when compize --replace is launched, compize becomes the window manager, replacing any other window manager (ie kwin)
[16:58] <X314> hmm.. 7.10.. isent that Gutsy..?
[16:58] <waylandbill> LaSombra: I'm guessing that the window decorations disappear on you.
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: what is there to fix?
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> X314: yes 7.10 gutsy gibbon
[16:59] <X314> WaltzingAlong so my system has updated to gutsy, could that be why its not working..? it was 7.04 before
[16:59] <LaSombra> waylandbill: Sometimes.
[17:00] <Jucato> you can't have kwin and compiz running at the same time
[17:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> and why oh WHY would you not want it fixed upstream?
[17:00] <WaltzingAlong> X314: sure could be something during the upgrade; had you used envy or automatix or installed the kernel modules manually for your video card
[17:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's just...  wow
[17:01] <LaSombra> WaltzingAlong: KWin should be used instead of emerald for example
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> oi
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> kwin is a window manager
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> compiz is a window manager
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> emerald is a window DECORATOR
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> kwin cannot be used interchangably with emerald.
[17:02] <Jucato> LaSombra: you can't use kwin with compiz. compiz has window decorator that "emulates" kwin window decorations
[17:03] <X314> WaltzingAlong hmm.. I dident do anything manualy.. I barely know what I'm doing at all most of the time -.- .. but well.. any advice on what to do about it?
[17:03] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: but maybe you mean that there are some problems with compiz, like titlebars going missing
[17:04] <waylandbill> that's the most likely problem.
[17:04] <Jucato> and it's not about kwin crashing (which it can't, since it can't be running, or at least shouldn't be, while compiz is being used)
[17:04] <WaltzingAlong> X314: were you able to boot at least so you could log into the !terminal ?        did it seem the distupgrade to gutsy went well? which kernel are you running (uname -a)
[17:05] <Iradigalesc> Hello! I have an old laptop and I need APM to use the battery detection... Is it possible to install APM at Kubuntu gusty?
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> X314: if just X is not loading then switch back to the 'vesa' driver with  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg        so you can at least get into X where #kubuntu can help you further
[17:07] <X314> WaltzingAlong I think I can get into terminal.. and as far as I know there where no problems with updateing to gutsy.
[17:08] <WaltzingAlong> !find apm
[17:08] <ubotu> Found: apmd, libapm-dev, libapm1, xserver-xorg-video-apm, hapm (and 4 others)
[17:09] <lg188>  hello
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> X314: if the issue is just x not loading you can switch to vesa. you could also from terminal (or ssh into the machine from another) check the X log with less /var/log/Xorg.0.log for reasons (EE) why it failed
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> lg188: greetings
[17:10] <lg188> WaltzingAlong: is ahh
[17:12] <lg188> i have fogotten hsi name
[17:12] <X314> WaltzingAlong I'm doing the X thing now..
[17:12] <lg188> forgotten
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> lg188: whose name?
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> X314: ok
[17:13] <drarem> I have 4 home movies on disk recorded to .wmv files, can i get them all onto a single dvd allowing people to play them on their set-top dvd players?
[17:13] <drarem> they are the entire .dat tape length
[17:14] <lg188> some on helped me  and i sais that i ill be at Monday butt i have forgotten hsi name so i dint know who ....
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: well you need something that can read wmv
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | drarem
[17:15] <ubotu> drarem: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:15] <diesel_> Can someone suggest a backup strategy for my laptop. It has a external hd attached. The lappy hd is 80 gig.
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !info devede | drarem, and you may find this tool helpful for creating video dvd discs
[17:15] <ubotu> drarem, and you may find this tool helpful for creating video dvd discs: devede: program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !backup | diesel_
[17:15] <ubotu> diesel_: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[17:16] <drarem> devede looks interesting, is it the same compression though as sonic on winslows?
[17:17] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: do not know but it will generate video dvd compliant files/discs. (mpeg2 format and such)
[17:17] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[17:18] <drarem> ok thanks
[17:19] <BluesKaj> drarem, the video codecs on devede are std for dvd and cd ... if you want to play windows media files wmv etc use the VLC player
[17:19] <drarem> i just have 4 .dat tapes i want to put on 1 instead of 4 dvd's which I don't think will be possible without serious degradation
[17:19] <drarem> like i recorded in betamax =)
[17:21] <The_Machine> anyone else have a problem with their scroll button using Kubuntu?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> drarem, you need a video capture card that will take the video output from the recorded video ,then diditize it to mpeg
[17:21] <zorglu_> q. what are the available audio player available ? (beside amarok which doesnt fit my needs)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> err digitize
[17:22] <Jucato> zorglu_: what are your needs?
[17:22] <zorglu_> Jucato: being able to do a playlist :)
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: what has suited you in the past? also ask adept manager to filter based on audio or player or so on
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: amarok can do playlists as well
[17:22] <Jucato> zorglu_: but amarok is great at playlists...
[17:22] <zorglu_> WaltzingAlong: ok ok i dont want to talk about that :)
[17:22] <Downix> trying to figure out how to check on what's eating up RAM
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: no i just talked with #amarok for a while
[17:23] <Jucato> in fact, there was someone in here that complained before that it's too playlist-centric
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: what are the alternatives ?
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: top, htop, ksysguard, ?
[17:23] <X314> WaltzingAlong I got as far as the color stuff "24 bits of color deoth" and all that.. when i pressed ok there, i got "xsever-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-costomised configuration file; backup in /ect/x11/xorg.conf.20071119182050
[17:23] <Jucato> talked with #amarok? O.o
[17:23] <Jucato> zorglu_: juk
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok lookin
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> X314: OK. if you booted with the recovery option, press ctrl+d
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> vlc
[17:24] <riri> how to change the kde4 wallpaper ?
[17:24] <Downix> never have figured out top
[17:24] <X314> WaltzingAlong alot of text stuff boot thingies i think showed up OK then the screen turned black again.
[17:25] <WaltzingAlong> otherwise X314 sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart                     which driver did you pick? vesa?
[17:26] <drarem> the wmv's in total are 3.5Gb but the dvds expand even huger?
[17:26] <X314> driver for what? you lost me...
[17:27] <WaltzingAlong> X314: which video card do you have?
[17:27] <X314> WaltzingAlong I think I did something bad.. I restarted the computer.. and there are black squares here and there.. or rather places with nothing showing.. and some text is missing parts of it
[17:28] <X314> WaltzingAlong ATI Radeon 9800 pro
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> X314: do you have a console again? how about ctrl+alt+f1
[17:29] <X314> WaltzingAlong I can get back to the terminal.. there are just parts of everything missing
[17:30] <drarem> is there anything I can use to edit wmv files before sending to dvd?
[17:31] <WaltzingAlong> X314: yeah we can fix it. back in terminal, grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf              do you see ati, fglrx, or vesa?
[17:31] <WaltzingAlong> avidemux comes to mind but something suggests it works with the avi container drarem
[17:32] <drarem> ok
[17:32] <X314> WaltzingAlong I get no such file or directory
[17:33] <X314> wait
[17:33] <X314> my bad. typo
[17:33] <WaltzingAlong> happens
[17:34] <BluesKaj> drarem, devede or tovid can transcode wmv/avi files to dvd/mpeg
[17:34] <X314> now nothing hapens.. just the _ blinking under it
[17:34] <drarem> right, wondering how to keep near-quality of the dat tape without putting one home movie on one dvd
[17:34] <drarem> have 4 movies
[17:35] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: any transcoding in lossy formats is bound to lose some quality
[17:35] <bbeck> I would like to set some names for local boxes in my resove.conf file (e.g. server_name <IP_ADDRESS>), but dhcp keeps trampling the file.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to set my static names in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf?
[17:36] <zorglu_> maouaoua one need 1 or 2 php to get basic music playing :)
[17:36] <WaltzingAlong> bbeck: /etc/hosts
[17:36] <WaltzingAlong> X314: how about, grep -i "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:36] <Dr_willis> i alwyas put mine in /etc/hosts also. :)
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: do you know another alternative?
[17:37] <bbeck> WaltzingAlong: thank you.
[17:37] <mkz> recently I was experiencing a problem with my kubuntu gutsy install hanging (hard-lock).  After reviewing a number of log files (kern.log, syslog, messages, dmesg) it seems that maybe my sound driver (snd-hda-intel) was the culperit.  I moved snd-hda-intel.ko out of it's original directory (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel) in order to supress it's loading.  I want to re-enable my sound so I've returned the
[17:37] <mkz> ko file to it's original directory, but oddly enough kmix still shows no sound installed.  Is there something I've missed?  Is there a command to reconfigure sound?
[17:37] <Jucato> zorglu_: kde-apps.org... :/
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok :)
[17:37] <X314> WaltzingAlong I dont think I have root access anymore..
[17:37] <Jucato> zorglu_: or..try searching in adept
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: kde really need a audio player :)
[17:38] <zorglu_> apparently they all seems to be "smart" :)
[17:38] <Jucato> zorglu_: I presume you've exhausted all possible means to solve your problems with amarok?
[17:38] <WaltzingAlong> X314: does the prompt show you normaluser@host or root@host? if normaluser, then you would need            sudo like sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:38] <X314> WaltzingAlong it doesnt say anything.. just the _ before it said root@host
[17:38] <Jucato> zorglu_: I'm a very minimal audio user... amarok is perfect for that... (except for 50% of the features I don't use)
[17:38] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: xmms mpg321
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: i did. and i want to add stream in playlist and amarok make it hard/impossible. moreover their spam about their personnal choise of music bother me
[17:39] <Jucato> hm?
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: they have put their personnal choise of music in it and prevent people from removing it :)
[17:39] <WaltzingAlong> as far as i know it is possible to add streams to a playlist in amarok
[17:39] <Jucato> what spam?
[17:39] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ?
[17:39] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever noticed spam.
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: believe it or not, this is only because they like it. they dont even get funding for this :)
[17:39] <Jucato> the radio streams?
[17:40] <zorglu_> Jucato: yep the dev choise of music that the user cant remove
[17:40] <Jucato> zorglu_: that's what FOSS is mostly about... doing what you like/consider fun... specially if you dont' have funding
[17:40]  * Jucato dares not try remove because he likes some of those...
[17:41] <Jucato> although I can't seem to understand why they'd be considered "spam"...
[17:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: well i got a different view of foss :) for me it is about empowering the user . but lets not argue :)
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I just added a stream to my playlist
[17:41] <X314> WaltzingAlong I rebooted and now all the text shows up fine
[17:41] <Jucato> but what about the stream problem?
[17:41] <WaltzingAlong> X314: ok how about checking the X log
[17:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: the stream is renamed "1024" it is from di.fm and got displayed ok but only when not in playlist
[17:42] <WaltzingAlong> grep -i "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:42] <Jucato> hm... ok...
[17:42] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ?
[17:43] <X314> WaltzingAlong on less /var/log/Xorg.0.log I get no such file or directory
[17:43] <X314> oh.. case sensitive apparently
[17:43] <X314> interesting.. got it now
[17:44] <X314> WaltzingAlong its open now. what am i looking for?
[17:46] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok i switched back to mplayer :)))
[17:46] <zorglu_> Jucato: thanks for your help
[17:46] <Jucato> zorglu_: have you tried the mplayer frontends?
[17:46]  * Jucato is not sure if they support playlists though
[17:47] <zorglu_> Jucato: i found one for video. quite good and quite unknown too. it is called smplayer
[17:47] <zorglu_> mplayer http://www.di.fm/mp3/trance.pls  <- this is my solution :)
[17:47] <Jucato> it's not as unknown as you think :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> and it doesnt take 50mbyte :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> Jucato: oh good then because it is real nice. and i do watch a LOT of video :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> 50mbyte was about amarok
[17:47] <Jucato> (thought we were talking about audio playlists though...)
[17:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm cant get  http://www.slayradio.org/home.php  working in amarok.
[17:48] <zorglu_> Jucato: i will create a .m3u by hand and point mplayer to it :)
[17:48] <Dr_willis> there it went. :)
[17:48] <Jucato> zorglu_: so neither kplayer nor kmplayer worked for you?
[17:49] <zorglu_> !info smplayer
[17:49] <ubotu> smplayer: complete front-end for MPlayer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.20-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 816 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[17:49] <Dr_willis> C64 Tunes Streaming! gotta love it.
[17:49] <zorglu_> Jucato: i dunno kplayer. but no kmplayer didnt
[17:49] <zorglu_> Jucato: just compare the IU of kmplayer to smplayer :)
[17:50] <andy_123> hi all,
[17:50] <andy_123> looks like adept has a bug, after update i'm getting a warning when installing something
[17:50] <andy_123> is this a known issue?
[17:50] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: in c64 time we had some fun with "demo" one was a naked women and you had to put a wet finger on the serial port to make contact and make her come :))
[17:51] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  gotta love that.
[17:51] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: it was fun time :)atari st was fun too. with overscan and boot block :)
[17:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: kmplayer was intended to be an embedded player for online/streaming content. the UI (specially the ones at the bottom) are optimized for that end. that it can function as a standalone player is an added feature (since you can opt to play a video externally)
[17:52] <andy_123> does anyone get a warning using adept manager?
[17:52] <Dr_willis> andy_123,  there was a samba package issue over the weekend
[17:53] <andy_123> oki, how to solve it?
[17:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: well i wrote a video player during the past 3months. and from my point of view, their UI is ununderstandable :)
[17:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: not the only project to get ultra complex/poorly organized ui tho
[17:53] <Dr_willis> !smbbug
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbbug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <Dr_willis> !sambabug
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambabug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <Jucato> (by whose standards though... but anway...)
[17:54] <zorglu_> Jucato: vlc has many possibilities for example but the ui is poorly organized so most users are unable to get those possibilities
[17:54] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's gone (or supposed to be)
[17:54] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yea - i was just update/upgrading to check myself. :)
[17:54]  * Jucato doesn't use vlc...
[17:54] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  it could be your servers havent updated yet.
[17:54] <X314> I get really crappy sound in vlc..
[17:54] <andy_123> Dr_willis: adept complians that it cannot apply the changes. that there was a problem with downloading something
[17:55] <Dr_willis> andy_123,  could try updateing/upgrading from the terminal
[17:55] <zorglu_> ok ok in anycase thanks for your help guys :)
[17:55] <andy_123> will try that...
[17:55] <vt04> ok
[17:55] <Dr_willis> if it mentions somthing about samba package not found its the samba bug. Should be getting fixed soon aa all the servers
[17:56] <vt04> ok
[17:56] <X314> !gutsy
[17:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[17:57] <X314> yes but whats the channel called? ><
[17:57] <zorglu_> btw transe is good for coding :)
[18:03] <harry_> does anyone know how to bring up the toolbar with key commands? my toolbar has dissapeared and mousing over it doesnt work
[18:03] <jussio1> harry_: alt +f2 then type kicker
[18:04] <harry_> ? still doesnt show up
[18:04] <X314> anyone know what to look for in the X log if my monitor turns black after boot?
[18:04] <Jucato> harry_: Ctrl+M
[18:04] <Jucato> that one?
[18:04] <Jucato> wait what toolbar?
[18:05] <harry_> the main desktop tool bar on the bottom of the screen
[18:05] <Jucato> X314: look in /var/log/Xorg.#.log (replace # with the latest number for the most recent log) and look for EE lines
[18:06] <harry_> It still is not there???  Help please
[18:06] <Jucato> harry_: ah, that's a panel, and the name is kicker (the kde panel). try this; press Alt+F2, type in "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[18:07] <caris_mere> When you plug in a usb stick, it automatically gives a list of options...I selected one and said remember this, but now I want to change it.  Do you know how?
[18:07] <X314> Jucato and if there are no (EE) lines?
[18:08] <harry_> It shows up for a brief .05 seconds and disappears
[18:08] <Jucato> X314: once everything turns black after boot, press Ctrl+Alt+F1, login to the command line, type "startx". if it throws you back, there should be some error messages
[18:08] <JohnFlux> harry_: did you recently add an applet to it?
[18:08] <JohnFlux> harry_: sounds like one of the applets is crashing
[18:09] <JohnFlux> :(
[18:09] <Jucato> JohnFlux: or one of Kubuntu's most annoying kicker bugs :/
[18:09] <harry_> not recently... This morning I added
[18:09] <Jucato> hiding and relocating itself
[18:09] <X314> Jucato okay. trying
[18:09] <harry_> New to this ubunto stuff and I like it but it is a bit frustrating
[18:10] <Jucato> harry_: Alt+F2, "kcontrol" then, in the list at the left of the window, go to Desktop -> Panels
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: I'd be frustrated too :(
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: you could delete the config file:  rm  .kde/share/config/kickerrc    and restart X ?
[18:10]  * Jucato scratches his head...
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: do what Jucato suggests first though
[18:11] <Jucato> JohnFlux: yours is easier, but he doesn't need to restart X does he?
[18:11] <harry_> HAHAHA   yea, i've been doing a lot of that lately
[18:11] <JohnFlux> ;)
[18:11] <Jucato> caris_mere: System Settings -> Notifications -> Storage Media Notifications
[18:11] <caris_mere> Jucato: thanks
[18:12] <harry_> ah... It is back... all I did was to change the pixel size a bit and apply.. there she is.. THANKS
[18:12]  * snowdonke1 snowdonkey
[18:12] <harry_> Is there some kind of virus scanning soft in linux??
[18:13] <Dr_willis> harry_,  you need to scan your windows partitions for viruses? :)
[18:13] <Jucato> !antivirus | harry_
[18:13] <ubotu> harry_: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[18:13] <Dr_willis> theres tools that can do that.
[18:13] <Jucato> !virus
[18:13] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[18:13] <X314> Jucato fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.x0-lock and start again. Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error.
[18:13] <harry_> ok  thx
[18:13] <georg> Hallo zusammen. Wo finde ich bitte den deutschen Kubuntu channel ?
[18:14] <Jucato> !de | georg
[18:14] <ubotu> georg: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:14] <Jucato> X314: oh... I"m clueless :/
[18:14] <georg> Danke thanks
[18:14] <X314> Jucato well thanks anyways. :)
[18:15] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ? please say your word
[18:15] <harry_> what about a Firewall such as Firestarter.. How do I know it is working other than locking and unlocking it??
[18:16] <Dr_willis> check the wikipedia for hackers
[18:16] <Dr_willis> harry_,  try some of the portscanning web sites perhaps.
[18:16] <Dr_willis> of coruse most services are disabled by default. so even with it OFF they may not find much
[18:16]  * genii slides Dr_willis a large coffee
[18:17] <Dr_willis> Its about time for me to head to work also. :()
[18:17] <Jucato> me me me!! I want some!! me!! mine mine mine!!
[18:17] <harry_> thx 4 the help folks
[18:17]  * Jucato jumps up and down in front of genii
[18:17]  * Dr_willis injects Jucato  With an double-expresso
[18:17] <Jucato> yay!!!
[18:18] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I don't think he needed it
[18:18]  * Jucato somersaults to and fro
[18:18] <Jucato> oh yes I did!! I did!! I did!! I did!!
[18:18] <kaminix> Hmm... recently an update for flac came out via apt. Ought I re-encode all my FLACs now?
[18:18] <Dr_willis> They guys i work with Forbid me to have Coffee after 9:00 :)
[18:18] <ardchoille> lol
[18:19] <Dr_willis> kaminix,  i doubt if you will gain anything from it.
[18:19] <Jucato> kaminix: no. updates only affect the software, not their output
[18:19] <Jucato> unless it has a new feature that you want to take advantage of that will affect the quality/size of the files you encoded...
[18:19] <kaminix> I see... no better compression or anything?
[18:20] <Jucato> (see last comment)
[18:20] <waylandbill> Jucato needs the Robusta beans for his coffee. :)
[18:20] <kaminix> Yeah... well... does it?
[18:20] <Jucato> koffee beans would be enough
[18:20] <Jucato> kaminix: you'll have to check the changelogs for that (but most probably not)
[18:21] <kaminix> Okay :)
[18:21] <kaminix> Thanks. :)
[18:21]  * genii hooks Jucato up to a caffeine drip
[18:22] <stdin> kaminix: if you want to see the changelog you can do "aptitude changelog <package>" (replacing "<package>" with the actual package name)
[18:22] <Jucato> stdin!
[18:22] <stdin> Jucato!!!!!!11.1
[18:22] <genii> Jucato: I got called away to some work, only now saw your antics LOL
[18:22] <Jucato> lol
[18:22] <jmcnerney> ANYONE: Why does Adept will not let me search/install new packages (like firefox)? I'm used to Synaptic manager....
[18:23] <stdin> jmcnerney: 1st guess is that your sources are disabled?
[18:23] <Jucato> it does... if you're not experiencing that, there's something wrong on your end... unfortunately...
[18:24] <jmcnerney> Disabled? I just did a fresh Dapper Drake install, no modifications. My last build was ubuntu (not kubuntu) and I had no problems.
[18:24] <stdin> jmcnerney: either that or you've selected to filter only installed packages from the filter list at the top
[18:24] <stdin> jmcnerney: if you installed with no active network (internet) connection then the sources will be disabled by default
[18:25] <jmcnerney> YES! I did install offline. How do I reactive sources?
[18:25] <jmcnerney> eg: "re-activate"
[18:26] <stdin> in adept, Adept -> Manage Repositories
[18:26] <stdin> there you can check the disabled ones to re-enable them
[18:26] <stdin> (if I remember the dapper interface correctly)
[18:27] <Jucato> right-click on the lines to enable
[18:27] <stdin> and remember to click the apply button after
[18:28] <jmcnerney> Sounds right...I'm enabling now.....THANKS in advance (I hope)!!!!
[18:32] <jmcnerney> exit
[18:35]  * Minataku meows at Jucato :3
[18:35]  * Jucato purrs
[18:35] <Minataku> lol
[18:35] <pietjephuck> lol
[18:35] <pietjephuck> quiet today?
[18:36] <Jucato> very...
[18:36] <Jucato> that's good
[18:37]  * genii tries to enjoy the quiet
[18:37] <pietjephuck> Was reading back, this guy had a problem with metwork being disabled
[18:37] <emilsedgh> being quiet in long time means kubuntu is getting better :P
[18:37] <genii> emilsedgh: Yes, exactly
[18:38] <Jucato> or people leaving :(
[18:38] <seb_> hello
[18:38] <Jucato> we can't tell.. all we now is "Konversation terminated"
[18:38] <Jucato> :(
[18:38] <pietjephuck> I tried to install with wireless card, it was not working so my sources where disabled as well
[18:38] <Minataku> We've still got 387 users in here
[18:38] <Minataku> Well, 386
[18:38] <genii> Minataku: Yup :0
[18:38] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no, im sure kubuntu is rising
[18:39] <Minataku> Which is a little above average, I think
[18:39] <Jucato> 385..
[18:39] <Jucato> 384
[18:39] <genii> pietjephuck: There is also of course source-o-matic
[18:41] <X314> Minataku I will now stop hogging the off-topic channel and take my problems here in hope for solutions!
[18:41] <X314> anywho, blackscreen after boot.
[18:41] <X314> boot of kubuntu gutsy
[18:42] <pietjephuck> genii: I plugged in the wired connection and enabled the sources
[18:42] <X314> has been so since I (out of no better knowlage) upgraded to gutsy
[18:42] <genii> Good :0
[18:42] <Tecumseh> hi there
[18:42] <Minataku> Hm
[18:42] <Minataku> lol
[18:43] <Minataku> You should get better help in here anyway ^^
[18:43] <X314> hopefully
[18:43] <Tecumseh> I'm having troubles with kde after enabling compiz-fusion following the kubuntu documentation. kde-window-decorator keeps crashing
[18:43] <pietjephuck> Just looking forward to the day when there will be native drivers for all cards
[18:43] <stdin> tried disabling splash? (didn't read the backlog in -offtopic because I'm lazy)
[18:44] <Tecumseh> this is the error message I'm getting: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45059/
[18:44] <X314> Minataku Is there any "simple" (I have realised that nothing really is simple per say in linux) to restore the old version?
[18:44] <Tecumseh> How can I prevend these errors / crashes?
[18:45] <stdin> Tecumseh: prevent them? that's easy, don't enable compiz
[18:45] <pietjephuck> lol
[18:45] <Tecumseh> ok, that's obvious...
[18:45] <stdin> Tecumseh: or maybe try with emerald, but that not exactly "less buggy"
[18:45] <pietjephuck> to obvious
[18:46]  * stdin notes there _is_ a reason kubuntu didn't ship with compiz...
[18:46] <Minataku> What reason is that?
[18:46] <stdin> because it doesn't work :p
[18:46] <stdin> compiz doesn't like KDE apparently
[18:46] <Minataku> Well, apparantly, for a lot of people, nothing does
[18:46] <Tecumseh> from what I'm seeing now is that kwin is starting at bootup, then compiz kills it and uses kde-window-decorator wich then crashes. Is there an option to not start kwin but start compiz to start with?
[18:47] <Minataku> The Compiz losers are probably in league with GNOME to create some kind of lockin
[18:47] <stdin> Tecumseh: that's not the problem, that's what supposed to happen (and it doesn't kill kwin, it asks it to stop managing the windows and exit)
[18:47] <Minataku> I wouldn't put it past GNOME, I mean, they have to get users somehow despite how GTK sucks
[18:48] <Minataku> :P
[18:48] <jussio1> Tecumseh: try removing the startup script if you made it
[18:48] <Minataku> I'm joking of course
[18:48] <trappist> Tecumseh: there's an env var you can export in your .bashrc to set kde's decorator to, say, emerald insead of kwin
[18:48] <Minataku> But I DO think that GNOME and GTK suck
[18:48] <Tecumseh> jussio1: no startup created yet
[18:48] <trappist> Tecumseh: found it, export KDEWM="compiz --replace"
[18:49] <stdin> you don't need the --replace if it's set in KDEWM
[18:49] <trappist> stdin: makes sense
[18:49] <pietjephuck> I doubt very much they will stopp that low
[18:49] <genii> Yup, only if you're flipping them on-the-fly etc
[18:52] <Tecumseh> let's see if that worked, restarting X
[18:52]  * stdin bet's it still crashes
[18:54] <Tecumseh> hmmm, that didn't work as planned
[18:55] <Tecumseh> kde-window-manager still crashed leaving me with X started without a functional wm
[18:55] <expo> Sorry i am italian i have a problem: i have manually installed my modem (USB) this is alcatel speed touch now i am connect to the internet but i can't use protocol http please help me ! ! !
[18:57] <stdin> Tecumseh: didn't think it would, try with emerald instead. make a script in ~/bin (or somewhere) with something like "compiz --replace & emerald --replace &", set it +x then set KDEWM to that script. that should stop kde-window-decorator from starting
[18:58] <Tecumseh> didn't have emerald installed yet, trying with it first
[18:58] <Jay-Oh-En> how come i get this error when trying to get updates There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[18:58] <expo> server irc.azzurra.net
[18:59] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: could be a number of reasons, only way to tell is to use apt-get and look at the messages
[19:00] <Jay-Oh-En> ok stdin
[19:00] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: and if you want to show us the error messages, use the pastebin (link in topic) rather than flooding the channel :)
[19:01] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[19:02] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: it was a problem with Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
[19:02]  * jussio1 wonders what hardware Tecumseh is running...
[19:03] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: try posting the whole log from "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to pastebin
[19:03] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: ok :]
[19:03] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i did this sudo dpkg --configure -a and nothing happend
[19:04] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: hmm, ok, post "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to pastebin
[19:04] <Jay-Oh-En> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> i guess im good right?
[19:05] <stdin> looks fine
[19:05] <stdin> ok, try adept then
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> ok kool thanks stdin
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: how do i make programs not use kdewallet
[19:06] <debian> Hello
[19:06] <debian> Is kubuntu compatible with wpa and vpn? Would knetworkmanager do the job?
[19:07] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you'd have to disable kwallet all together as far as I know. press Alt-F2 and put in "kcontrol". then go to Security & Privacy -> KDE Wallet and un-check "Enable the KDE wallet subsystem"
[19:08] <ScorpKing> !wpa
[19:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:08] <stdin> debian: I'm pretty sure it can do vpn just fine, but for wpa you need to install and setup wpa-suplicant
[19:09] <stdin> or whatever it's called...
[19:09] <Tecumseh> jussio1: searching for the specs, at least it's a amd 64-bits dual 4000+
[19:09] <jussio1> Tecumseh: which gfx card?
[19:10] <hagabaka> hmm
[19:10] <debian> ok
[19:10] <hagabaka> so when I disable a restricted driver, it really means removing its package?
[19:11] <debian> Editing conf files or grapichal?
[19:12] <stdin> debian: I don't know, I've never used it. but it's explained in those wifi docs
[19:12] <debian> Ok
[19:12] <debian> Hope wpa is easy
[19:13] <BluesKaj> hagabaka, no it's not removed , just not used
[19:13] <debian> My school has a natzi policy against linux. So I'm just going to use it.
[19:13] <Dragonath> mm, tried running age of mythology with wine, AoM got some error, so wine closed but now my resolution is something in the lines of 800x600 instead of 1280x1024
[19:13] <Tecumseh> jussio1: onboard NVIDIA GeForce 6100 with shared memory
[19:13] <Dragonath> how to get it back?
[19:14] <stdin> Dragonath: logging out and back in should restore it
[19:15] <Dragonath> any other easier way that doesn't involve logging out?
[19:15] <Dragonath> it sounds kind of crude :P
[19:17] <stdin> Dragonath: you can _try_ just switching displays (Ctrl-Alt-F1, then Ctrl-F7), but that' may or may not work
[19:17] <jussio1> Tecumseh: so what exactly happens when it crashes? does it just loose your window borders?
[19:17] <Dragonath> well I tried that and it didn't, logging off and on again then, thanks
[19:17] <Jay-Oh-En> What's better WPA or WEP
[19:18] <stdin> wpa is more secure, but it depends what you mean by "better"
[19:18] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, WEP is easily broken. WPA is better for security but requires more overhead
[19:18] <Tecumseh> jussio1: It loses windows borders, storage media is not mountable (dvd's, usb flashdrive's, etc) and the panel is unreadable (scrambled somehow) for a while
[19:18] <jussio1> Tecumseh: have you tried sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[19:19] <Tecumseh> yep,,,
[19:19] <jussio1> ok
[19:19] <jussio1> Tecumseh: Im at a loss then
[19:19] <Tecumseh> me 2
[19:19] <Jay-Oh-En> Thanks for the answers :] i was looking for More security towards my Winblows xp computer (it's my dads)
[19:20] <Tecumseh> and I was thinking that linux in general was ready for the big masses, not that I'm counting myself to the masses anymore.
[19:20] <Jay-Oh-En> so people can't hack in and get passwords and stuff like that
[19:20] <Jay-Oh-En> or use my internet connection
[19:21] <jussio1> Tecumseh: can you paste your xorg.conf?
[19:21] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, IMHO, use WPA, disable SSID broadcasting, and use your wifi router's MAC filter
[19:21] <Tecumseh> sure, just a sec
[19:23] <Jay-Oh-En> Yorokobi: maybe you can get me a guide for a wgr614v5 netgear router?
[19:23] <Tecumseh> jussio1: Here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45140/
[19:23] <Zombocom> where's the irc for kubuntu support, is this it?
[19:23] <Zombocom> I'm in windows so I can't connect
[19:24] <jpatrick> you just did...
[19:24] <Zombocom> this is it?
[19:24] <jpatrick> yep
[19:24] <Zombocom> ok, Xserver doesn't initialize
[19:24] <jussio1> Tecumseh: If I see correctly, your problem is that you are running the nv driver instead of the nvidia one
[19:24] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/wgr614v5.asp
[19:25] <Jay-Oh-En> Thanks Yorokobi :]
[19:25] <jussio1> Zombocom: we could use a little more info if we are to help you...
[19:25] <Zombocom> I get to the logon screen in the command prompt thing and the screen  flashes, but then it goes back into the command prompt
[19:25] <jussio1> Zombocom: which version of kubuntu, which gfx card?
[19:26] <Zombocom> I'm using an hp pavillion dv 6433 with an intel graphics media accelerator 950
[19:26] <jpatrick> Zombocom: can you give us a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:26] <Zombocom> jussio1: kubuntu 7.10
[19:26] <jussio1> Tecumseh: oh, wait, i did see incorrectly... lol
[19:26] <Zombocom> jpatrick: I'm in windows which doesn't have ext2 drivers
[19:27] <Tecumseh> jussio1: I did enable the restricted drivers
[19:27] <jussio1> Zombocom: cant you install the ext2 driver?
[19:27] <jpatrick> Zombocom: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[19:31] <Zombocom> jpatrick: that program appears not to run in windows vista which is what I'm running right now
[19:31] <jpatrick> Zombocom: drat
[19:32] <Alonea> what do you do when you get NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED when trying to add a windows network printer?
[19:32] <Zombocom> jpatrick: I just tricked it
[19:32] <jpatrick> excellent
[19:32] <Zombocom> jpatrick: it works now
[19:32] <Alonea> I had it all set up before, but when I installed the new kubuntu I lost all those settings.
[19:34] <Zombocom> jpatrick: it has been installed
[19:34] <jpatrick> Zombocom: kubuntu should be in my computer now
[19:34] <Zombocom> jpatrick: the drive isn't showing up though
[19:34] <jpatrick> Zombocom: the dreaded restart?
[19:34] <Zombocom> probably
[19:34] <Zombocom> damnit
[19:35] <Zombocom> would it be easyer to reinstall kubuntu?
[19:35] <Zombocom> brb, restarting
[19:35] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, if you can still use the Linux terminals, install irssi and use that for IRC and links2 to browse :) Who needs a gui? hehe
[19:36] <Alonea> ah, nevermind. I found the trick where you go back, choose guest, then go forward and it will work
[19:37] <alexbe01__> Yorokobi: everyone living in the current millenium :P
[19:42] <Zombocom> ok back
[19:42] <Zombocom> someone said something about a terminal before I left?
[19:42] <stdin> "<Yorokobi> Zombocom, if you can still use the Linux terminals, install irssi and use that for IRC and links2 to browse :) Who needs a gui? hehe"
[19:43] <Zombocom> lol
[19:43] <Zombocom> ok I have to go, but I need help with this later
[19:43] <Zombocom> I heavily prefer linux
[19:43] <MsK`> ih
[19:43] <MsK`> hi
[19:43] <MsK`> I don't have any sound output in xmame, "no sound mixer plugin available" it says :/
[19:44] <mobile> Anybody else get a handg on 'local scripts' when they boot Gutsy?
[19:44] <Ace2016> Hi all
[19:44] <Ace2016> does anyone here play glest?
[19:44] <Ace2016> i just saw it on ubuntu and it looks totally awesome
[19:44] <Ace2016> i mean digg.com
[19:45] <mobile> What's glest?
[19:45] <Ace2016> http://linuxgames07.blogspot.com/2007/11/top-ubuntu-linux-games.html
[19:45] <Ace2016> its no 7 in the lis
[19:45] <Ace2016> list*
[19:45] <Ace2016> watch the video
[19:45] <mobile> Checking
[19:45] <kaboom> Hello
[19:46] <hagabaka> does anyone use compiz-fusion and have the issue that after you scroll mousewheel on KDE task bar, you can't use zooming with Super+Wheel?
[19:47] <mobile> The drift game looks awesome
[19:47] <mobile> I only have flightgear right now
[19:47] <Don_jr2> Does Kubuntu have korean language capabilities?
[19:48] <jussio1> !ko | Don_jr2
[19:48] <ubotu> Don_jr2: For Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko
[19:48] <Don_jr2> I speak english, I just wanted to know if it supported the language or not
[19:49] <Don_jr2> I"m doing some java programming and the korean symbols don't show up right on the box I"M using
[19:49] <Don_jr2> I'll go ask there if they speak english
[19:49] <Don_jr2> thanks
[19:57] <Evelyn> Anybody from Venezuela?
[19:57] <jpatrick> !ve
[19:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ve - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:00] <Duo> I have a question regarding a hung upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10. My Dist upgrade is hung at "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic"...
[20:00] <Duo> seems sorta like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/157907
[20:00] <Ace2016> i was just reading about Venezuela and the OPEC oil trade in us dollars
[20:00] <Duo> but, It has not progessed, any way to recover from this?
[20:02] <Downix> Ace2016: Aren't they dropping the US $ for the EU due to runaway inflation?
[20:02] <ardchoille> !ot
[20:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:03]  * Duo sighs
[20:07] <X314> if I want to boot gutsy without usplash, how do I do that?
[20:07] <nuutti> can someone help me,i don't know how to auth..
[20:07] <nuutti> i'm just started to use ubuntu
[20:08] <Ace2016> they were complaining about the dropping value of their us $ reserves, they wanted a more stable hard currency like the euro, but the us supporters like saudi arabia kept trying to move talks to other topics and stop them talking about the dollar
[20:09] <kaboom> @X314: Use Startup-Manager to edit the menu-lst comfortable and with a decent GUI
[20:09] <ScorpKing> !ot
[20:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:09] <ScorpKing> :D
[20:09] <Drew3> I have 3 Kub install-live disks 2 cd's and a dvd,  all three have the first screen jumping around so a to be unreadable,  where do I go from here? I insert the CD/dvd/s and get a unreadable greeting upon startup.
[20:10] <kaboom> @X314: http://web.telia.com/~u88005282/sum/index.html
[20:11] <X314> kaboom okay. cheers.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> heh Ace2016, a woman in saudi arabia was raped , but cuz she was alone without a male adult relative she was sentenced to 200 lashes for being out alone ...nothing was mentioned about the rapist's sentence
[20:11] <foenig> hi@all ... after running a dosbox session my audio system is "crap" - the sound is "chappellike" with one channel in the back and a very bad sound ... on which parameters shall i start to get my "good" sound back?
[20:12] <Ace2016> thats religion isn't it? or is it the law in the country? or is it one of the countries which makes its laws based on religion?
[20:13] <Downix> BluesKaj: What sentance?  Men are not punished for rape in saudi arabia
[20:13] <BluesKaj> no it's not Islam ,it's the backward arabic tradition
[20:13] <Downix> BluesKaj: Not Arabic tradition (which would have stoned the man for it) but Wahabiist tradition.
[20:13] <nuutti> someone knows how to auth with konversation?
[20:13] <SudoKing> authenticate?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> if i run ps2pdf i get - Segmentation fault (core dumped). konqueror also don't want to print that document to pdf but the same ps and html file display without problems. how can i figure out what's wrong?
[20:13] <nuutti> yes
[20:14] <SudoKing> what do you mean?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> the traditions they attribute to Islam , predate mohammed by a couple thousand yrs
[20:14] <ScorpKing> hiya SudoKing. ;)
[20:14] <SudoKing> hi
[20:14] <nuutti> authentication..
[20:14] <nuutti> sry my bad english
[20:14] <Downix> BluesKaj: Quite right.  But again, not Arabic.
[20:14] <SudoKing> Please don't tell me to set my resolution any higer
[20:14] <SudoKing> higher*
[20:14] <SudoKing> It crashed my X Server, and I had to reinstall Kubuntu
[20:15] <Downix> BluesKaj: Arab is a particular group within the Arabian area, along with Bedowin and other groups.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> ok, Downix i stand corrected , i'll withdraw the arabic ident
[20:16] <Downix> BluesKaj: But I do get what you mean.
[20:17] <X314> can I boot in "safe graphics mode" with grub?
[20:17] <ScorpKing> SudoKing: next time make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before you play with resolutions
[20:17] <SudoKing> lol
[20:17] <SudoKing> Scorp, it wouldn't even show the login screen or start KDM
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Downix, my wife's aunt's drivers licence wasn't recognized in Riadh... the car rental co wouldn't rent her a vehicle without her husband
[20:17] <ScorpKing> X314: press <ESC> at boot and select the second option
[20:18] <ScorpKing> SudoKing: that can be fixed without reinstalling. ;)
[20:18] <BluesKaj> anyway enuff offtopic
[20:18] <X314> ScorpKing I dont think that is right.. but I shall try.
[20:18] <SudoKing> tell me more
[20:19] <ardchoille> SudoKing: You could have used the livecd, mounted your installed system, and edited xorg.conf from the livecd
[20:19]  * ScorpKing agree..
[20:19] <ScorpKing> or from tty1
[20:19] <ardchoille> The livecd is good for more than just installing the system
[20:19] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: True that
[20:20] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: it's easier to test that way.
[20:20] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: This is why I tell people to go ahead and learn cli rather than being afraid of it
[20:20] <ScorpKing> yep
[20:21] <ardchoille> There are weeks at a time that I log into tty1 and don't even run xorg.. screen ROCKS!
[20:21] <ScorpKing> i love screen. works well on servers where the connection is lost all the time. :D
[20:21] <ardchoille> Yeah
[20:22] <ardchoille> screen, irssi, elinks, wget, mutt, ssh, bash, midnight commander, etc :)
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ok, screen ? cli app ?
[20:23] <ardchoille> !info screen
[20:23] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0.4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 574 kB, installed size 984 kB
[20:26] <SudoKing> Is there a way to use variables and such like Konversations DBUG and BUG commands in Auto Replace?
[20:26] <ardchoille> SudoKing: You mean in bash?
[20:27] <SudoKing> bash?
[20:27] <ardchoille> SudoKing: Where are you wanting to use these variables?
[20:27] <ardchoille> Oh, in konversation?
[20:27] <SudoKing> Like to produce a link or to type a quick command instead of having to type /cs command and such
[20:28] <SudoKing> like to type !pass password to quickly change my password?
[20:28] <ardchoille> No idea in konversation
[20:28] <SudoKing> hmph
[20:28] <_darkKnight_> why my hda disk changed to sda disk after upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10??
[20:29] <martijn81> i have a hp laserjet 1022nw with wireless, how do i setup this printer under kubuntu?
[20:30] <ardchoille> !printer
[20:30] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[20:32] <martijn81> ardchoille: but can it work like a networkprinter@wireless?
[20:32] <rothchild> hi, what's a good way of finding duplicate files? My 'digital life' is a mess!
[20:32] <ardchoille> martijn81: I don't know, I've never had a printer
[20:33] <martijn81> :(
[20:33] <ardchoille> !info kleansweep | rothchild
[20:33] <ubotu> rothchild: kleansweep: File cleaner for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 137 kB, installed size 456 kB
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> !konsole
[20:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> !terminal
[20:33] <ardchoille> rothchild: iirc, that has tons of features.
[20:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[20:34] <rothchild> thanks ardchoille
[20:34] <ardchoille> yw
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> anyone know offhand how to clear the history in terminal?
[20:36] <Dresken> Does anyone have any idea how to resolve this hal issue when trying to mount an NTFS HDD?
[20:37] <ScorpKing> Dresken: what is the full error you get?
[20:37] <ScorpKing> MilitantPotato: rm .bash_history
[20:37] <Dresken> hal-storage-removable-all-options refused uid 1000
[20:37] <MilitantPotato> ScorpKing: thanks
[20:37] <ScorpKing> yw
[20:38] <martijn81> ardchoille: shame those guides are for ubuntu and not for kubuntu
[20:38] <BluesKaj> I like the bash histrory , sometimes it saves having to repeat some commands :)
[20:38] <sparr_w> after upgrade to gutsy i have printing problems.  i have added my printer anew, and when i print the test page (successfully) i get the following in my cups logs, no other apps will print at all, they seem to work but nothing comes out of the printer.  http://rafb.net/p/4KJ4J869.html
[20:38] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Yeah, and thank goodness for grep :)
[20:40] <ardchoille> Wow, had no idea man bash was huge
[20:41] <rothchild> ardchoille, just the job! Bit fiddly but perfectly useable TA
[20:41] <ScorpKing> Dresken: is there an entry in /etc/fstab for that drive?
[20:42] <Dresken> No idea, how do I check? lol
[20:42] <Aaron_S> Okay, I think my instlation froze on me, how do I end the process?
[20:42] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: You can clear bash history from the terminal with: history -c
[20:42] <ScorpKing> Dresken: it looks like a bug btw - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/110210
[20:42] <ScorpKing> Dresken: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> ardchoille: I edited the .bash_history and removed the offending commands, but thanks for the command, It will come in usefull
[20:43] <Dresken> Well this only happened after I re-installed Kubuntu
[20:44] <icheyne> hi all - the Start Daemon link doesn't work any more at "strigi:/". I tried to start strigidaemon at the command line but I got an error:  terminate called after throwing an instance of 'CLuceneError' <br> Aborted (core dumped)
[20:44] <icheyne> any clues?
[20:44] <Dresken> ScorpKing: No I don't see anything about the HDD in that file
[20:44] <Dresken> Want me to paste you the content of the file?
[20:45] <ScorpKing> please - to pastbin
[20:45] <Dresken> How do I do it without flooding the channel again? lol
[20:45] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: If you edit .bash_history manually to delete all lines while bash is running, then those lines will be replaced when you exit bash.. forcing you to do it again.
[20:45] <philipp_> hi kubuntu-guys
[20:46] <ardchoille> hi philipp_
[20:46] <soon> where can I get support about a reg exp?
[20:46] <ardchoille> !pastebin | Dresken
[20:46] <ubotu> Dresken: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:46] <soon> any channel you can suggest
[20:46] <ardchoille> soon: #bash  ?
[20:46] <ardchoille> Just a guess
[20:46] <soon> I'll try it
[20:47] <Dresken> ScorpKing: http://rafb.net/p/UYA0Wn69.html
[20:47] <philipp_> /nick fips
[20:47] <ScorpKing> MilitantPotato: sudo su and then edit the history file ;)
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> ardchoille: i did & disown
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> will that work?
[20:47] <ardchoille> ni idea
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=601210&highlight=hal+storage+removable+all+options+refused+uid
[20:47] <philipp_> hjztuk
[20:48] <MilitantPotato> i'll see if it replaced the text
[20:48] <ScorpKing> Dresken: yeah, it's not in there.
[20:49] <MilitantPotato> & disowned worked
[20:49] <MilitantPotato> disown*
[20:49] <Dresken> Well that post only shows work arounds and to add or remove something from an unknown file <_<
[20:50] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: why is your floppy on auto mount?
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> wait I'm nuts.
[20:51] <Dresken> No idea <_<
[20:51]  * MilitantPotato goes to get his coffee
[20:52] <ardchoille> Where is my kernel? Is it the vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic file in /boot? If so, what is the vmlinuz file in /  ?
[20:53] <stdin> ardchoille: the one in / is a link to the one in /boot (normally)
[20:53] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, so it is
[20:54] <Dresken> Still no idea how to fix this, anyone? <_<
[20:54] <ScorpKing> Dresken: sorry but i don't see a solution. maybe mount it manually and if it works add an entry in fstab
[20:55] <Dresken> What entery exactly?
[20:55] <ScorpKing> !ntfs
[20:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:55] <ScorpKing> Dresken: that should help ^
[20:58] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[20:58] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[20:59] <ardchoille> I should packet that
[20:59] <ardchoille> spammer
[21:02] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: try unchecking "mount as user"
[21:04] <MilitantPotato> -ops
[21:04] <MilitantPotato> X(
[21:10] <enrico_> ciao a tutti
[21:11] <enrico_> qualcuno mi da una mano su linux?
[21:11] <ardchoille> !it | enrico_
[21:11] <ubotu> enrico_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:11] <enrico_> ok
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> hello, when trying to install kubuntu i get the display server has been shut down about 6 times in 90 sec
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> i suppose it has to do with the ati drivers
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> is there a way to continue the installation with vesa or something ?
[21:14] <Backie> I am running ati gfx cards, you doing the simple one or the advance?
[21:15] <A-L-A-R-M> well , i will choose the one that could help me actually
[21:15] <A-L-A-R-M> thats why i am asking
[21:16] <Backie> I used advanced it installed perfect
[21:16] <Backie> The normal is just a nasty ass installer
[21:17] <Backie> The grub-install won't work no matter what I did
[21:18] <pass> how do i manipulate daemons from command line, see what daemon are running now, configure new/existing daemons. (looking for a tools similar to svcadm on solaris)
[21:18] <Quel> hi there.. does anybody know, if it's possible to install MS Office 2007 in kubuntu 7.02?
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> !xorg | A-L-A-R-M:
[21:18] <ubotu> A-L-A-R-M:: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[21:19] <MilitantPotato> that's not it.
[21:19] <MilitantPotato> !display
[21:19] <lusepuster> Hi folks - I have this pproblem w Kopete and webcam: It shows fine, but it lags terribly, like minutes, behind when coming from the other end. Known problem, known solution?
[21:20] <waylandbill> when choosing to select an icon for a file, why is only Applications and Filesystems have icons? do the other categories get installed by a different package?
[21:20] <MilitantPotato> !factoids
[21:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:20] <[ka]killer> humm
[21:20] <Yorokobi> pass, Gutsy supports the Redhat service <servicename> <option> style of daemon control as well as SysV /etc/init.d/<service> <option>
[21:20] <[ka]killer> im having a problem with firefox
[21:20] <SudoKing> what's the problem?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> it locked up, so i restarted X (ctrl-alt-backspace) and now the process for firefox (firefox-bin) starts, but the app itself does not open
[21:21] <SudoKing> oh
[21:21] <SudoKing> any error messages?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> nope
[21:21] <[ka]killer> it just does not open
[21:21] <SudoKing> that's odd
[21:21] <[ka]killer> yah, thats why i came here
[21:21] <Backie> Have you checked to see if the frist process of firefox is still running?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> if it was normal i would have fixed it =P
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> !xconfig | A-L-A-R-M
[21:22] <ubotu> A-L-A-R-M: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[21:22] <[ka]killer> backie: sudo killall -9 firefox-bin
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: then select VESA video drivers.
[21:22] <SudoKing> !FixRes
[21:22] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:23] <Backie> I think firefox runs more than just firefox-bin
[21:23] <SudoKing> yea it does
[21:23] <SudoKing> let me check
[21:23] <[ka]killer> that i know of it runs firefox and firefox-bin
[21:23]  * SudoKing opens KSysGuard
[21:23] <[ka]killer> ctrl+esc =P
[21:24] <SudoKing> Ok, so it says that there is a process called firefox-bin and just one called firefox
[21:24] <[ka]killer> yup
[21:24] <SudoKing> maybe firefox is the actual visual?
[21:24] <[ka]killer> both get killed when you kill firefox-bin
[21:24] <sn00zer> why is there a AMD and Intel cpu temp on this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45152/
[21:24] <SudoKing> Then I don't know what the problem is...
[21:24] <[ka]killer> i dont know -_-
[21:26] <Quel> hi there.. does anybody know, if it's possible to install MS Office 2007 in kubuntu 7.02?
[21:26] <MilitantPotato> firefox-bin is the main APP AFAIK
[21:26] <MilitantPotato> killing firefox leaves firefox-bin running
[21:26] <SudoKing> but "firefox" is the only one with the icon beside it...
[21:28] <MilitantPotato> Quel: Not sure, check the WineHQ app database
[21:28] <A-L-A-R-M> MilitantPotato,  thats all fine what you say and i know about those things. but how to reconfigure xorg if the system is not installed yet
[21:28] <A-L-A-R-M> i get the  display server has been shut down about 6 times in 90 sec error during the installation
[21:28] <MilitantPotato> Quel: Why not use Open Office?
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: after the Kubuntu loading screen disapears?
[21:29] <blizzzek> bye
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: the one with the progress bar
[21:29] <A-L-A-R-M> okie
[21:29] <[ka]killer> well a full restart did it
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: i'm asking
[21:29] <A-L-A-R-M> its crashing
[21:29] <ScorpKing> Quel: i don't think so. google for MS Office 2007 on linux. or just use openoffice
[21:29] <[ka]killer> use openoffice or koffice
[21:30] <A-L-A-R-M> before getting to kde not even once
[21:30] <Backie> Is there a default root passwd or something?
[21:30] <ScorpKing> !sudo
[21:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[21:30] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: one scond
[21:30] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: does it crash after loading linux in the grub menu?
[21:30] <A-L-A-R-M> INSTALLATION
[21:31] <MilitantPotato> ah, live CD?
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> how on earth should grub exist if i couldnt even manage to start the installation
[21:31] <MilitantPotato> Sorry, I had the alternate stuck in my head.
[21:31] <Backie> ScorpKing, I know what sudo is I know what su is, and I know when I installed I never got asked for a root passwd so anyone know what it is
[21:31] <Quel> ScorpKing: thanks.. there is the problem with *.pptx Microsoft is not interested in ISO Formates... *g*
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> dude i know how to handle xorg on an installed system
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> thats why i asked if i can start an installation with vesa
[21:32] <MilitantPotato> Sorry :)
[21:32] <MilitantPotato> let me find the command
[21:32] <Quel> ScorpKing: you cant convert ist 1 by 1 for OpenOffice compatible... ^^
[21:32] <ScorpKing> Backie: there is no root password in *ubuntu for security reasons. if you have to you can set one but it's not recommended
[21:34] <ScorpKing> Quel: yeah, MS always makes it difficult.
[21:34] <Backie> ScorpKing, For security reason is the reason most *nix make you have a passwd on your root acct
[21:36] <Quel> ScorpKing: Thats the point.. I have kubunto on my laptop.. the presentation is in *.pptx format... that sucks! We have to change something before presentation.. and if its ppt and not pptx i think i'll not be able to change some stuff there... Holy Crap, Microsoft sucks -.-
[21:36] <ardchoille> Backie: The root account is disabled, that's why you were never prompted for a password for root
[21:36] <ScorpKing> Backie: if someone want's to get into your system they will go for the root account first but if there is no password on it they will have to look for another account with sudo privs which make it more difficult for them. go to tty1 and try to log in as root.
[21:36] <ibert> Hi. Just switched to gutsy and Having Problems with Xorg/VT: there are no VT's. just blakn screens with blinking "_". Thi problems persists with nv and nvidia driver....anybody got a hint?
[21:36] <nikos> hello
[21:37] <Backie> If someone is trying to hack me they prolly use an expoilt which would create a shell with root permisson not try and login as root
[21:37] <ardchoille> Backie: That is why we keep our systems fully up-to-date
[21:38] <Backie> ardchoille, lol like thats gonna make sure you never get owned
[21:38] <ScorpKing> Backie: oh well. if you have to then run sudo su and type passwd
[21:38] <Quel> i got my root password... like ScorpKing said :D
[21:38] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: Please do not teach others how to enable root, it's not recommended, it's unsafe and not at all necessary.
[21:39] <Backie> I just think its retarded to have the passwd for total control of your machine the same as your normal acct
[21:39] <Quel> ardchoille can i disable my root password again? :D
[21:39]  * ScorpKing will remember that..
[21:39] <ardchoille> !sudo | Quel
[21:39] <ubotu> Quel: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[21:39] <Quel> ardchoille you are scarriing me :D
[21:39] <Backie> Quel edit the passwd and change the shell to noshell, that should do it
[21:39] <ardchoille> Quel: Visit that web page to learn how to disable the root account
[21:40] <Quel> ardchoille thank you!
[21:40] <ardchoille> People who play with the root account are the same folks who come in here asking for help about how to fix the problems they caused by enabling root.
[21:40] <nikos> i need help ,  i have install the MS$ game on my Kubuntu and it make link on my Desktop , but when i need to play i open a terminal (  wine wow.exe -opengl ) , how i can fix the auto link on my desktop with this pack ( -opengl )
[21:41] <nikos> pach**
[21:42] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: When the boot menu comes up (where it says Run / Install Ubuntu), hit SAFE GRAPHICS MODE
[21:43] <sourcemaker> Is it possible to run the SAP GUI (Windows) under Wine in Kubuntu?
[21:43] <A-L-A-R-M> okie
[21:43] <Quel> yay.. easier than i thougt: sudo passwd -l root
[21:44] <xevious> sourcemaker: seems like it should work, but i've never had an opportunity to try it
[21:44] <xevious> sourcemaker: it's just a database app... nothing too intense
[21:44] <sourcemaker> xevious: thanks
[21:45] <ardchoille> Quel: :)  And that's the way it should be
[21:45] <sourcemaker> xevious: I know the java version... but this does not work very well (memory leaks) ;-)
[21:45] <Quel> ardchoille: yay - i am a hero *g*
[21:45] <ardchoille> :)
[21:46] <Quel> am i a unix professional now? :D
[21:46] <ardchoille> hehe
[21:46] <Quel> - just kidding
[21:46] <Quel> :)
[21:46] <ardchoille> Quel: I've been using Linux since 2001, have installed it on over 200 machines which I also support.. and I'm not even a pro yet.
[21:47] <MilitantPotat1> .
[21:47] <Quel> ardchoille: i installed Debian, kanotix, Kubuntu... yah about 5 times (totally).. i think i got it out *g*
[21:47] <Quel> ardchoille: Sooo... your dialog with Backie was VERY Interesting to read (for me), but i have to go to bed now :)
[21:48] <Backie> quel what he posted it aswell?
[21:48] <Quel> ardchoille: i am in IRC just to read those interesting topics! :)
[21:48] <Quel> Backie: just your dialog about Exploits over there
[21:49] <Quel> Backie: I think its important for security to know, how people would do something. I am learing java at school and i can do my "job" better if i know more about everything :)
[21:50] <Backie> Quel, http://pastebin.com/m2fc2a197
[21:50] <Zombocom> !xorg
[21:50] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output.   I do not have resolvconf installed so that is not it
[21:51] <Quel> Backie: <ardchoil.le> If you have to enable root, then you don't know what you are doing. --> I dont know what I'm doing.. hes right :)
[21:52] <Backie> I am not saying enable it I am just saying change the fucking passwd
[21:52] <Zombocom> I need help, the xserver doesn't start, I'm running an HP pavillion dv6433 with an intel graphics media accellerator 950
[21:52] <stdin> Backie: watch the language
[21:52] <Pollywog> !ohmy
[21:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:52] <Zombocom> it used to, but now it won't
[21:52] <ardchoille> Please take the sudo/root argument to another channel. When in this channel, please stick with the recommended methods.
[21:52] <Quel> Backie: I dont know... I am just a rookie :) I am just a student and i want to be a good guy in future :)
[21:53] <Zombocom> can anyone help me?
[21:53] <stdin> ardchoille: too polite :p s/please //
[21:53] <Backie> Pollywog, what you mean changing your name servers?
[21:53] <Pollywog> something keeps changing the contents of resolv.conf
[21:53] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[21:53] <Quel> ardchoille: sorry.. just wanted to say that and than go to bed. I can learn lots of things out of dialoges :)
[21:53] <Pollywog> I know resolvconf package does it but I do not have that installed
[21:53] <Yorokobi> Pollywog, knetworkmanager will do that when you switch between networks
[21:53] <A-L-A-R-M> are there no boot options for the installation ? something like debian for example ?
[21:54] <Zombocom> hello?
[21:54] <A-L-A-R-M> start an installation with a lower resolution or vesa ?
[21:54] <Pollywog> Yorokobi: I suspected it, what if I remove it?
[21:54] <Quel> ardchoille: that makes me happy! So good night everybody! :)
[21:54] <stdin> Pollywog: when you get a dhcp reply you get send a DNS server address, that get's written into resolv.conf
[21:54] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M: were you talking to me?
[21:54] <Pollywog> stdin: oic
[21:54] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M: if so how?
[21:54] <Yorokobi> Pollywog, you can configure the DHCP client to use specific DNS servers
[21:55] <Pollywog> and if I remove the kde network manager?
[21:55] <Pollywog> k
[21:55] <Pollywog> ty
[21:56] <Zombocom> I need help, the xserver doesn't start, I'm running an HP pavillion dv6433 with an intel graphics media accellerator 950
[21:56] <Zombocom> it used to run fine untill today
[21:57] <Pollywog> I have <IP_ADDRESS> in kde's network manager as my nameserver, but it still gets changed in resolv.conf
[21:57] <Backie> Well peeps I am away to wipe kubuntu for bsd cause it ain't as good as people say
[21:57] <Pollywog> Feisty did not do this
[21:57] <Zombocom> all these people and no one to help me?
[21:58] <pietjephuck> Backie: freebsd is nice, I have never tried it on a desktop though
[21:58] <Backie> I am gonna go with netbsd
[21:58] <MilitantPotat1> A-L-A-R-M: Choose safe graphics mode
[21:58] <Backie> I got openbsd on this one
[21:58] <pietjephuck> Netsbd is still aliave?
[21:58] <Pollywog> Zombocom: what are the errorr?
[21:58] <Pollywog> errors
[21:58] <Backie> pietjephuck, Yeah and it more stable than fbsd
[21:58] <Zombocom> Pollywog: no error
[21:59] <ardchoille> People are currently trying to get assistance. Please take the off-topic chatter to another channel.
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> okie, although i asked for something else
[21:59] <pietjephuck> Do you run a desktop manager
[21:59] <Zombocom> Pollywog: screen flashes then it makes me do a terminal login
[21:59] <Pollywog> Zombocom: no errors when you use startx command?
[21:59] <Zombocom> startx?
[21:59] <Zombocom> ok what's a terminal irc program
[21:59] <Zombocom> so I can communicate in there
[21:59] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, irssi
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> Zombocom,  bitch
[21:59] <Pollywog> Zombocom: yes startx in a console
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> irssi
[21:59] <Backie> BitchX
[21:59] <ScorpKing> bitchx
[21:59] <ScorpKing> lol
[22:00] <Pollywog> it will give clues as to why X is not starting
[22:00] <A-L-A-R-M> a bitch works always better...
[22:00] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M I thought you were calling me a bitch
[22:00] <Backie> When it comes to console ircing BitchX rulez them all
[22:00] <Pollywog> but you need to have a .xinitrc
[22:00] <A-L-A-R-M> not really, but there is always one. even in linux
[22:00] <Zombocom> one that doesn't need any xserver stuff
[22:00] <Zombocom> so I can communicate even if everything is bad
[22:00] <TimS> Everytime I close do3phin i get the XML bookmark error, how do I fix this
[22:01] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, irssi. bitch doesn't hold a candle to irssi
[22:01] <Zombocom> k
[22:01] <Zombocom> I'll be bacck in a little bit on irssi
[22:01] <ardchoille> TimS: Check the permissions on the bookmark file and change as needed.
[22:01] <Yorokobi> irssi + screen = excellent IRC times :)
[22:01] <A-L-A-R-M> screen ? i remember i onced used that but what was this command doing ? setting it to backround ?
[22:02] <stdin> !screen
[22:02] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[22:02] <ardchoille> A-L-A-R-M: maybe the "jobs" command?
[22:02] <A-L-A-R-M> dont know
[22:02] <MilitantPotat1> are Gdesklets meant for gnome?
[22:02] <ardchoille> MilitantPotat1: Yes, kde has superkaramba
[22:03] <A-L-A-R-M> ai ai ai karamba
[22:04] <Pollywog> k I think I fixed the resolv.conf problem thanks for the clues
[22:04] <MilitantPotat1> ardchoille: do the widgets need to be KDE specific?
[22:04] <rob____> hello
[22:04] <stdin> MilitantPotat1: no, they just are written in superkaramba's script language
[22:04] <ardchoille> MilitantPotat1: For superkaramba?
[22:04] <Zombocom> hey
[22:04] <Zombocom> I'm in kubuntu now
[22:05] <Zombocom> what do you guys need
[22:05] <Zombocom> xserver still hasn't started
[22:05] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, run startx from the command-line
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> I'm just trying to get a system monitor that shows HDDtemp readouts
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> ksensors doesn't seem to
[22:05] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, when X starts, then dies, you should have the error on screen
[22:05] <Zombocom> kk
[22:05] <Zombocom> I got it
[22:05] <Zombocom> fatal IO error 104
[22:06] <Pollywog> Zombocom you might need to make a ~/.xinitrc file
[22:06] <Zombocom> pollywog how might I do that
[22:07] <Pollywog> make a file with that name and in it put one line
[22:07] <Pollywog> on the line:
[22:07] <Pollywog> exec startkde
[22:07] <Pollywog> and save it
[22:07] <Pollywog> then run startx
[22:07] <Zombocom> where should the file go
[22:07] <Zombocom> and what commands should I use
[22:07] <Pollywog> in your home directory
[22:07] <Zombocom> k
[22:07] <Pollywog> vi .xinitrc
[22:08] <Pollywog> do you know vi?
[22:08] <Zombocom> ok
[22:08] <Zombocom> no
[22:08] <Zombocom> sorry
[22:08] <Pollywog> I think you can use cat
[22:08] <Pollywog> or echo
[22:08] <Pollywog> do you know those commands?
[22:08] <Zombocom> I'm in vi right now
[22:08] <Pollywog> k
[22:08] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc
[22:09] <Yorokobi> or use vi .... :)
[22:09] <Pollywog> Zombocom: do what Yorokobijust posted, if you can't vi yet
[22:09] <Zombocom> oh I'm in vi
[22:09] <Zombocom> on alt+F2
[22:09] <Zombocom> this is on alt+F1
[22:09] <Pollywog> k
[22:09] <Zombocom> how do I save in that
[22:10] <Zombocom> vi
[22:10] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, use I to enter insert mode, type in the exect startkde line then use <ESC>:wq
[22:10] <Pollywog> escape key  then :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> so I type "wq"
[22:10] <Pollywog> :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> or ":wq"
[22:10] <Zombocom> k
[22:10] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> kk
[22:12] <Zombocom> Yorokobi it's done, what do I do now, run xinit?
[22:12] <Zombocom> yorocobi or startx
[22:12] <Pollywog> startx
[22:12] <Zombocom> pollywog thanks
[22:13] <Zombocom> fatal error 104
[22:13] <Pollywog> as the user that has the xinitrc you just made
[22:13] <Pollywog> that is all?
[22:13] <Pollywog> there should be errors in a file
[22:13] <Zombocom> huh?
[22:13] <Zombocom> caught signal 11?
[22:14] <Pollywog> less .xsession-errors
[22:14] <Pollywog> try that command
[22:14] <Pollywog> Zombocom: did you in fact install a desktop environment?
[22:15] <Zombocom> pollywog I had kubuntu straight off the cd
[22:15] <Pollywog> k
[22:15] <Zombocom> pollywog I was using it last night
[22:15] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, did you change something last night?
[22:15] <Pollywog> do it worked on the LIVE cd but not when you installed kubuntu?
[22:15] <Pollywog> so*
[22:15] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: have you  reconfigure xorg and select vesa?
[22:16] <Zombocom> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 158
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> thats WACOM tablet
[22:16] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, is it complaining about Wacom?
[22:16] <Zombocom> what? pollywog I've been using this for a while
[22:16] <Pollywog> k
[22:16] <Yorokobi> if so, ignore those warnings
[22:16] <ardchoille> !baddevice | Zombocom
[22:16] <ubotu> Zombocom: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> thats easily fixed by commenting out the lines for wacom in xorg
[22:17] <Zombocom> ok
[22:17] <Zombocom> so is the last error the most current?
[22:17] <Zombocom> because there are a lot down there
[22:17] <Pollywog> pastebin them
[22:17] <Pollywog> !pastebin
[22:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:17] <Yorokobi> should be, yes. If not, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for lines with <EE>
[22:18] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: if you open /etc/X11/xorg.conf what's the driver under the Device setting?
[22:20] <Zombocom> the driver?
[22:20] <rockets> Does Kopete have a buddy pounce feature?
[22:20] <rockets> I can't find it.
[22:21] <Zombocom> i810
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: yes
[22:21] <rockets> Zombocom, WELCOME, to zombocom.
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> try vesa
[22:21] <rockets> You can do ANYHING at zombocom
[22:21] <Zombocom> haha
[22:21] <rockets> anything at all.
[22:21] <Zombocom> the only limit is you
[22:21] <rockets> This is zombocom!
[22:21] <rockets> Welcome!
[22:21] <Zombocom> ok
[22:21] <Zombocom> vesa it is
[22:22] <Zombocom> crap
[22:22] <Zombocom> vi won't let me input
[22:22] <Zombocom> I deleted but I can't write
[22:23] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, use I to insert
[22:23] <Zombocom> type I then whatever?
[22:23] <Yorokobi> yep, then hit <ESC> and :wq to write and quit
[22:25] <Zombocom> how do I save YoroKobi
[22:25] <Yorokobi> :wq
[22:25] <Zombocom> it says no screens found
[22:26] <Zombocom> I saved it and tried startx
[22:26] <Tester> Games download, trailers and more only in: http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[22:26] <Zombocom> no screens found
[22:26] <Tester> Games download, trailers and more only in: http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[22:26] <Yorokobi> ah, it doesn't like vesa, probably
[22:26] <Zombocom> I think I 38something was what it was when I first installed
[22:26] <Zombocom> 384?
[22:26] <Zombocom> hrm
[22:26] <Zombocom> ...
[22:27] <Yorokobi> *shrug* I've never used an Intel GPU
[22:27] <Zombocom>  they're not so good
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> What graphics chipset is it?
[22:27] <Zombocom> intel Graphics Media Accellerator 950
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> Shouldn't he reconfigure X if it's not detecting his monitor?
[22:27] <Zombocom> Accelerator*
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> I dunno if the 950 uses the i810 driver
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> !ops | tester
[22:28] <ubotu> tester: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[22:28] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: it told me I had a 945, so that could be the problem
[22:28] <PriceChild> MilitantPotato, ?
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> Tester has been spamming links all day and leaving
[22:28] <PriceChild> ah sorry didn't see
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> No worries :)
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> ty
[22:28] <jpatrick> that guy again?
[22:28]  * gnomefreak not even gonna op up
[22:29] <stdin> wow, lag
[22:29] <PriceChild> stdin, mhmm :/
[22:29] <MilitantPotato> Sorry to bother ya :)
[22:29] <Dragnslcr> Zombocom- yeah, I don't think I've ever seen 950, which is why I was confused
[22:29] <rockets> Is there a way to make konq stop bugging me about cookies all the tiem
[22:29] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: its a new computer, it says on the stickers that it's 950...
[22:29] <Dragnslcr> Zombocom- you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
[22:29] <stdin> PriceChild: got opped 10 secs after I tried to
[22:30] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr don't think so
[22:30] <Dragnslcr> Or xserver-xorg-video-i810, I think that also has 945 drivers
[22:30] <Dragnslcr> I think -intel just adds i965 support
[22:31] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: I looked and it's already installed
[22:31] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: latest version
[22:31] <Dragnslcr> What was the driver set to in xorg.conf the last time it worked?
[22:31] <Zombocom> dragnslcr, 945
[22:31] <Dragnslcr> "i945"?
[22:31] <Zombocom> oh no
[22:32] <Zombocom> i810
[22:32] <Dragnslcr> Try setting it to "intel" and see if that works
[22:32] <Zombocom> intel?
[22:32] <Zombocom> k
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: people are saying the drivers from intel work well
[22:32] <Dragnslcr> I think that's what I finally figured out on my girlfriend's laptop
[22:35] <ardchoille> PriceChild: fwiw, Tester uses a diff ip each time.
[22:35] <Zombocom1> it worked
[22:35] <Zombocom1> THANK YOU
[22:35] <Zombocom1> screen resolutions a bit tight
[22:36] <mario_> why dont i have frames in my windows with compiz
[22:36] <Zombocom1> but thank you so much dragnslcr
[22:36] <Zombocom1> !compiz
[22:36] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:37] <mario_> it's ubuntu 7.10, not kubuntu
[22:38] <Zombocom> Mario_ I think you'll get a lot more help in the channel #compiz-fusion
[22:38] <Zombocom> !beryl
[22:38] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:38] <Zombocom> !compiz
[22:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:38] <Zombocom> you quit irssi by hitting control+Z right?
[22:39] <Zombocom> or how do you do it
[22:39] <Zombocom> ./quit?
[22:39] <mario_> thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[22:39] <Zombocom> with no (.)?
[22:39] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, /quit
[22:39] <Zombocom> mario, are you angry?
[22:40] <sourcemaker_> is there anybody using a nvidia geforce3 graphic card on kubuntu gusty?
[22:45] <BluesKaj> mario_, Kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop... ubuntu uses the gnome desktop and issues with that system can addressed at #ubuntu chat
[22:48] <Nizse> Hi
[22:51] <bsundsrud> hi, I'm trying to create an image of a kubuntu system for use in a college lab (triple booting mac minis).  Is there an sane way to do this? Through DD, customizing an install CD, etc
[22:52] <pietjephuck> bsundsrud: not sure about kubuntu, but knoppix used to have a tutorial
[22:53] <bsundsrud> hmm, ok.  I'd even go for a way to edit the liveCD to add packages to the installer (and a way to automagially do users and partitions)
[22:54] <pietjephuck> I have cloned hard drives with dd in the past
[22:54] <rockets> cloning hard drives with dd = silly.
[22:55] <rockets> its soooo slow.
[22:55] <rockets> propiretary or not, acronis destroys dd.
[22:55] <rockets> proprietary even.
[22:55] <mkz> I move a ko module from my lib path in order to test if it was causing a problem with my system.  I've now replaced the file but the module does not appear available to the kernel.  I did nothing more than move the file and replace it.  Is there something else I need to do in order to make the module available?  I've tried modprobe but it says that my module does not exist (which it does) HELP
[22:55] <mkz> just short of this, how would one reinstall a sound driver?
[22:57] <ardchoille> !partimage
[22:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partimage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:57] <ardchoille> !info partimage
[22:57] <ubotu> partimage: backup partitions into a compressed image file. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-17 (gutsy), package size 268 kB, installed size 944 kB
[22:58] <stdin> mkz: try "sudo depmod -a"
[22:59] <mkz> stdin: I did that and I followed it with modprobe snd-hda-intel and now I don't get my fatel error.  I think I'll have to reboot to test it.  thank you
[23:00] <mkz> so, depmod creates the module dependancy map.  therefore, in the future, if I remove a ko file and replace it I should run depmod -a before attempting to run modprobe
[23:06] <loris> ciao
[23:10] <loris> ciao
[23:19] <ignoramus> Hey all.  I have the mplayer extension that i use in firefox for streaming media, but it's kind of weak (only works like 75% of the time).  I've seen talk of a VLC plugin, but can't find any good documentation on it... anyone know anything?
[23:21] <no0tic> hi, how can I use different video drivers in kaffeine?
[23:21] <no0tic> it lets me use only xv
[23:21] <icewaterman> no0tic: what did you have in mind?
[23:21] <ignoramus> no0tic: do you have all non-free codecs installed?
[23:21] <icewaterman> xv is default and best driver in most cases.
[23:22] <no0tic> icewaterman, it has a flaw with dvb, it shrinks the image horizontally
[23:23] <icewaterman> no0tic: hm, cant tell you about that. there is a vlc plugin, but vlc in ubuntu is incapable of playing wmv and real files.
[23:23] <no0tic> icewaterman, I use mplayer for video files, I use kaffeine only for dvb-t
[23:24] <icewaterman> hmm, you should have at least x11 option for playback.
[23:24] <icewaterman> x11 will be slow though
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, in settings->xine engine parameters
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, video
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, there's a list of drivers
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, but only xv works
[23:25] <icewaterman> no0tic: ah
[23:26] <icewaterman> x11 should work as well, tried that one yet?
[23:26] <no0tic> icewaterman, there isn't
[23:26] <icewaterman> x11 is without acceleration at all.
[23:26] <Minataku> xv has hardware acceleration even on lousy cards, at least for scaling
[23:27] <no0tic> Minataku, I had to disable scaling
[23:27] <no0tic> Minataku, because it shrinks images from my dvb-t card
[23:27] <icewaterman> no0tic: it is called xshm sometimes
[23:28] <sn00zer> does anyone know how to kill/restart kded? its using 93.4% of the cpu and sudo kill <PID> isn't killing it
[23:28] <icewaterman> sn00zer: ctrl+alt+backspace
[23:28] <sn00zer> icewaterman: didn't work, tried it twice
[23:29] <ubuntu> :
[23:29] <icewaterman> sn00zer: kill the process with signal -9
[23:29] <icewaterman> pkill -9 kded
[23:30] <no0tic> icewaterman, ok, and if would use opengl?
[23:30] <icewaterman> no0tic: doesnt work well in most cases and doesnt look very good either.
[23:30] <icewaterman> images look too blury
[23:31] <no0tic> icewaterman, it doesn't work totally here, as anyother video driver except xv that has the problem I told you
[23:31] <sn00zer> thanks icewaterman
[23:31] <jmichaelx> does the alternate install CD include the restricted modules?
[23:31] <stdin> yep
[23:31] <jmichaelx> stdin: were you answering me?
[23:32] <icewaterman> no0tic: try finding out whether that is really a problem with the xv mode or rather a problem with another setting related to it (like auto-zoom etc)
[23:32] <stdin> jmichaelx: yes
[23:32] <no0tic> icewaterman, disabling scaling works
[23:32] <no0tic> icewaterman, but I can't go fullscreen with full image
[23:32] <Minataku> That doesn't address what he said
[23:32] <jmichaelx> stdin: sweet... as the old laptop i am wanting to install *ubuntu on is very very old and the ethernet adaptor does not work.. i'll need to have madwifi working
[23:33] <icewaterman> no0tic: look for the settings if there is some info on how to zoom and what to crop.
[23:33] <stdin> jmichaelx: the alternate cd installs the same system as the desktop cd, just used a text installer
[23:33] <Minataku> If it has wifi, it's likely not "very very old"
[23:33] <Minataku> It's merely "old"
[23:33] <icewaterman> no0tic: cant help you with this. gtg anyway, it's late.
[23:33] <Minataku> Unless it has pre-802.11b wifi
[23:34] <no0tic> icewaterman, bye
[23:34] <Minataku> In which case it may qualify as "rather old"
[23:34] <jmichaelx> stdin: it does not automatically install a desktop environment does it?
[23:34] <stdin> jmichaelx: yeah it does, only the server install doesn't
[23:35] <jmichaelx> Minataku: i have a pcmcia atheros-based card... the laptop is a p2 333Mhz / 128 MB ram
[23:35] <jmichaelx> it qualifies as old
[23:35] <Minataku> Merely "old"
[23:35] <Minataku> Not "very very old"
[23:35] <Minataku> That's at least early 2000s
[23:35] <jmichaelx> 1999
[23:35] <jmichaelx> it's old
[23:36] <Minataku> I've got one from 1987
[23:36] <Minataku> And another from 1983
[23:36] <Minataku> Call me when you have one that's ACTUALLY old
[23:36] <jmichaelx> that qualifies as ancient
[23:36] <konkorbolum> hey there...i have a problem with kopete.i can receive files but i cant send any.how can i solve this issue?
[23:36] <jmichaelx> and also as unusable for linus, afaik
[23:36] <jmichaelx> linux*
[23:37] <Minataku> I'm a collector and a Linux user, I know what it's good for.
[23:37] <Minataku> You'd definitely be better off with NetBSD on that laptop of yours, BTW
[23:37] <Minataku> Kubuntu will strain the hell out of it
[23:37] <Minataku> Definitely get something much, much lighter
[23:37] <jmichaelx> Minataku: i had no intention of using kubuntu
[23:37] <stdin> not necessarily, just disable most of the effects and it'll work
[23:37] <Minataku> Ubuntu will be worse, because of how GNOME is a steaming pile
[23:38] <stdin> I know people that run KDE on a p1
[23:38] <jmichaelx> but... i was hoping to use ubuntu with windowmaker or possibly xfce (not xubuntu)
[23:38] <Minataku> I also note that you specified "*ubuntu"
[23:38] <jmichaelx> yeah, i am also no gnome fan. xfce is nice, but xubuntu is too heavy
[23:38] <Minataku> Yeah, I noticed that myself
[23:39] <Minataku> I've heard that it's suppsoedly lighter. It's not.
[23:39] <jmichaelx> Minataku: what advantage does net bsd have over freebsd?
[23:39] <Minataku> Well, you can get help with NetBSD around Freenode
[23:39] <Minataku> #freebsd is completely useless
[23:39] <jmichaelx> you can't for freebsd?
[23:39] <jmichaelx> i see
[23:39] <Minataku> I've tried twice, and got harassed twice
[23:40] <jmichaelx> yeah, many irc channels can be rough
[23:40] <Minataku> I realize it's a small sample, but two for two on two completely separate occasions
[23:40] <jmichaelx> lol, i believe you
[23:40] <Minataku> They even told me flatly that "they're not there to provide support"
[23:40] <Minataku> Apparantly it's just a chat channel or somesuch
[23:40] <jmichaelx> what the heck is their irc channel for, then?
[23:40] <jmichaelx> lol, i see
[23:40] <Minataku> Which completely defeats the purpose of even bothering on Freenode
[23:41] <stdin> if it's a chat channel, it should be ##freebsd (as per freenode channel naming guidelines)
[23:41] <Minataku> So yeah, I'm not all too thrilled with FreeBSD at all
[23:41] <stdin> s/guidelines/policy/
[23:41] <Minataku> So I usually avoid recommending it
[23:41] <Minataku> I also tend to avoid using it, as well
[23:41] <Minataku> lol
[23:42] <Minataku> Except in situations where NetBSD doesn't quite fit the bill, like their SPARC64 MP support
[23:42] <jmichaelx> well, i had considered bsd... i have tried vector linux (much nicer xfce based distro than xubuntu, imho) and currently have mepis antix on it. i don't care for antix.. i may just try to install fluxbuntu, then install xfce
[23:42] <Minataku> Still a bit lacking
[23:42] <Minataku> Fluxbox is extremely nice
[23:42] <Minataku> I use it on my main system
[23:42] <Minataku> JWM is another nice, light WM
[23:42] <mm_work> hey guys, quick question: is there a way to have a script run not just on login, but everytime the screen is 'un-locked'?  (eg: after entering your password)
[23:43] <Minataku> Fluxbox is very light and featureful
[23:43] <Minataku> JWM is extremely light
[23:43] <jmichaelx> fluxbox os nice enough, but i don't care for mepis antix at this point... i don't like how they use apt-pinning to mix dbian stable and testing
[23:43] <jmichaelx> fluxbox is*
[23:43] <Minataku> Well, Fluxbox is just a WM
[23:43] <jmichaelx> yeah, os was a typo
[23:43] <Minataku> It has nothing to do with any of the rest of the system
[23:44] <stdin> anywho...
[23:44] <stdin> !ot
[23:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:44] <Minataku> I realize that, but perhaps I'm misreading your line there
[23:44] <jmichaelx> stdin: sorry :-D
[23:44] <Minataku> stdin: Why not answer the standing question instead of just pestering us?
[23:45] <stdin> Minataku: Kubuntu support questions in here, anything else -offtopic
[23:45] <Minataku> Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice cop-out
[23:46] <stdin> those are the rules for this channel, whether you like them or not is irrelevant
[23:46] <jmichaelx> stdin: another question.. i presume that the network install CD would NOT include restricted modules(i.e. wireless drivers)?
[23:47] <stdin> jmichaelx: the net install should install everything the alternate one does, just getting them from the net instead (I say should because I'm not 100% sure)
[23:47] <jmichaelx> stdin: ty, i try to research this a little
[23:47] <jmichaelx> i'll*
[23:47] <stdin> !install
[23:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:48] <stdin> there's some documentation there ^
[23:48] <jmichaelx> ty
[23:49] <Minataku> I don't mind the rules, it's the disrespectful enforcement
[23:49] <Minataku> I know the rule, I forget it in the moment
[23:49] <Minataku> Remind me WITHOUT using the stupid bot
[23:49] <Minataku> That's for NON-regulars :P
[23:49] <SudoKing> he's not stupid...
[23:49] <Minataku> lol
[23:50] <stdin> Minataku: the bot is there so everyone has access to the rules and so we don't have to type the same thing out over and over. it's a tool we use
[23:50] <Minataku> Also, I'm here to provide Linux support, anyway
[23:50] <Minataku> It ends up being relevant to Kubuntu because it's a Linux distribution
[23:50] <SudoKing> um help I'm trying to run the package "defrag" but I don't know the parameters to run it for an ext2 type file system?
[23:50] <Minataku> Don't bother
[23:50] <stdin> still, this is Kubuntu specific support only
[23:51] <Minataku> Defragmentation isn't needed on Linux filesystems
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> I don't think extN file systems have fragmentation problems
[23:51] <Minataku> Unless you've been using the same fs for, say, 50 years
[23:51] <Minataku> Which is, as of this moment, impossible
[23:51] <Minataku> lol
[23:51] <SudoKing> hmph then why does the package exist>
[23:51] <Daisuke-Ido> drum
[23:51] <Minataku> For stupid people and PC-ricers
[23:52] <SudoKing> ricers?
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> fat32 partitions might still have fragmentation problems, even under Linux
[23:52] <Minataku> The same kind of people who have computers full of neon lights and LED fans
[23:52] <Minataku> Useless crap like that
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure about any other less-used file systems
[23:52] <stdin> SudoKing: ext2 has some fragmentation issues (over extended periods) but not ext3
[23:52] <Minataku> They usually overclock and reduce the lifespan of their hardware to 3 months as a result, too
[23:52] <SudoKing> Ok I'm not sure what file system I have?
[23:53] <stdin> SudoKing: if you didn't manually choose one, it's ext3
[23:53] <Daisuke-Ido> Minataku: i have both of those things and don't overclock, what does that make me?
[23:53] <Minataku> Daisuke-Ido: Hm
[23:53] <DaSkreech> I have a ResierFS / and XFS /home
[23:53] <SudoKing> Are there any other computer speed enhancing packages, then?
[23:53] <Minataku> I never thought of that
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> SudoKing- the Disks section of System Settings/KControl should tell you the file system of each partition
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> DaSkreech: i'm a little afraid to use reiser...  what if it kills my disk?
[23:54] <Minataku> I guess you're still a ricer, you're just not stupid
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: the kernel and the filesystem take care of  most of it for you, not much you need to do
[23:54] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke-Ido- man, I was resisting from making that comment
[23:54] <Minataku> My external partitions are all Reiser3
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: *need or can
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Ido: Meh. that's a problem with any FS
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> Minataku: does it help that i'm shopping for a compact case without the frills?
[23:54] <jmichaelx> hmmm.. ok, i want to do a very minimal ubuntu- window manager install, while still needing working madwifi, and am still not sure what route to take. it is almost seeming that installing fluxbuntu might be the best and possibly ony route
[23:54] <Minataku> And they've been that since long before :P
[23:54] <SudoKing> need or can?
[23:54] <DaSkreech> it's journaled if that helps
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> DaSkreech: not in this case
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: replace "need" with "need or can" in my previous message
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: install ubuntu-minimal ?
[23:55] <jmichaelx> i meant ubuntu minus desktop environment
[23:55] <Minataku> jmichealx: Sorry, KUBUNTU ONLY
[23:55]  * Minataku rolls eyes
[23:55]  * DaSkreech whaps Minataku  :)
[23:55] <Minataku> :P
[23:55] <stdin> SudoKing: the linux environment is quite well optimised to begin with, unlike windows
[23:55] <Dragnslcr> stdin- your patience is far greater than mine would be
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: get the alternate dc and do a server instal
[23:55] <SudoKing> but stdin, "not much you need or can to do" isn't proper grammar...
[23:55] <DaSkreech> cd
[23:55] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: do you know whether minimal has restricted modules? i need madwifi as i have no ethernet
[23:55] <SudoKing> aw, but I want to be able to monitor the performance of my computer
[23:56] <Minataku> Or just use NetBSD >.>
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> so install the restricted modules package.
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> oi
[23:56] <stdin> SudoKing: I'll turn myself in to the grammar police later, ok? :p
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- any of the install types should use the same repositories
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> oh, Minataku!  got a remote :D
[23:56] <Minataku> I like NetBSD :3
[23:56] <DaSkreech> install the server pacakge and install restricted
[23:56] <DaSkreech>  not that hard
[23:56] <Minataku> Dai: Cool
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- the only differences are what gets installed initially
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> it's an MCE remote, but it works, so i'm happy :D
[23:56] <jmichaelx> you don't understand.... i have no access to repos without working madwifi... i have no ethernet
[23:56] <Minataku> But you better make it have something to do with Kubuntu
[23:56] <Minataku> Or you'll get yelled at!
[23:56] <Minataku> XP
[23:56] <SudoKing> I need some performance tweaks then...
[23:56] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Do you have USB?
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> i painted the kubuntu logo on it
[23:57] <Minataku> There's a Kubuntu logo?
[23:57] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: it has usb 1.1
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- if you get the DVD, it may have the packages you need
[23:57] <Daisuke-Ido> yes
[23:57] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: wait that doesn't even matter the alternate CD is a repo
[23:57] <SudoKing> Also, what resolution does my computer need to be to show the Kubista wallpaper full screen?
[23:57] <stdin> Minataku: have you seen kubuntu.org ?
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- you can install packages from a CD or DVD
[23:57] <Minataku> Nope
[23:57] <DaSkreech> you can apt-get install from it
[23:57] <Minataku> I don't even USE Kubuntu
[23:57] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: this old machine has no DVD
[23:57] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: get the DVD if you want more assurance :)
[23:57] <Daisuke-Ido> http://sevenothree.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/kubuntu_logo.png
[23:57] <Minataku> Or Ubuntu, for that matter
[23:57] <stdin> Minataku: that's where the logo is
[23:58] <Daisuke-Ido> the ubuntu logo is similar but not.
[23:58] <fignew> Minataku: I'm sorry
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- you might need to put the packages on a CD and install them from there
[23:58] <Daisuke-Ido> fignew: don't be, he's far past kubuntu
[23:58] <Minataku> ?
[23:58] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Or a USB drive doesn't really matter
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- or get a cheap USB network adapter
[23:58] <fignew> Daisuke-Ido: I didn't realize you could be "past" an operating system
[23:59] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: i could possibly try that
[23:59] <DaSkreech> fignew: ask Steve about NeXT
[23:59] <fignew> I've used the most complicated OSes, but you know, I like for my desktop to work
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> I think they're $20-30
[23:59] <DaSkreech> fignew: SO you've used Vista?
[23:59] <fignew> Why would I have to ask him? I own a NeXT
[23:59] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: i have all knds of network adapters... but none that will work without restricted modules, as far as i know