[00:06] <basso> so whats up?
[02:40] <Bookman> How do I change my keyboard settings?  I want to be able to use my 'special keys' like my volume keys.
[02:46] <stlsaint> Bookman: are you talking about changing the keyboard layout?
[02:46] <stlsaint> Bookman: System>Preference>Keyboard
[02:49] <Bookman> I don't have System
[02:49] <Bookman> I have Preferences>Keyboard and Mouse
[02:50] <Bookman> but it does not have an option/ability to change the layout.
[02:52] <BWMerlin> i am having problems with lubuntu, i cant do anything (literally)
[02:53] <BWMerlin> i can open file manager, click on the menu and restart lubuntu and that is it
[02:54] <stlsaint> BWMerlin: you are on Lubuntu?
[02:54] <BWMerlin> atm windows with lubuntu inside vmware
[02:55] <stlsaint> Bookman: what distro are you on?
[02:55] <Bookman> Lubuntu
[02:57] <stlsaint> aye, sorry for asking, should have known :D
[02:58] <stlsaint> BWMerlin: are you able to open any applications?
[02:58] <Bookman> No problem.  googling the problem here and there seems to be no way to change the keyboard layout.  At least through a gui application.
[02:58] <stlsaint> Bookman: sorry as im not on my lubuntu install atm,
[02:58] <stlsaint> Bookman: do you have a /etc/default/keyboard config?
[02:59] <BWMerlin> stlsaint: nope, the "start" meny has run and logout
[02:59] <BWMerlin> i cant open chrome
[03:00] <BWMerlin> and my home folders has a read me telling me to set up home folder encryption and the file i am suppose to run to set it up
[03:00] <Bookman> stlsaint, nope, no /etc/default/keyboard
[03:00] <BWMerlin> i cant run the file and i cant access a terminal promot
[03:00] <stlsaint> BWMerlin: that sounds like a faulty install
[03:00] <BWMerlin> ooo
[03:00] <BWMerlin> ok
[03:01] <BWMerlin> reinstall it is
[03:01] <phillw> Bookman: there is a new lxkeymap coming out, it's only available in the development ppa at the moment. please be patient :)
[03:01] <stlsaint> phillw: can the keyboard layout be changed in the control center?
[03:02] <Bookman> phillw, no worries at all!
[03:02] <phillw> stlsaint: not at present, it can be done via CLI, but I've long since forgotten how to do it. with lxkeymap it will be a gui
[03:03] <stlsaint> Bookman: yes the keymap can be changed via cli
[03:03] <Bookman> setxkbmap
[03:04] <Bookman> But I can put up with no volume keys until the lxkeymap is ready!
[03:06] <phillw> Bookman: it's in the ppa for 11.04 lubuntu is now in the 'tweaking' things stage of its young existance, and paper-cuts are a real PITA
[03:06] <stlsaint> Bookman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[03:09] <phillw> Bookman: http://pastebin.com/PxBQu9vN
[03:10]  * phillw just takes me a while to dig through the archived email stuff :)
[03:13] <BWMerlin> this is the second time I have noticed this, but the choose your location map is very laggy
[03:14] <Bookman> phillw, I'm not sure I understand what you are showing me there.
[03:14] <Bookman> stlsaint, Nice, but I don't see my keyboard config in there.  Compaq R4000 laptop.
[03:24] <Bookman> phillw, is there a ppa that I should be adding?  I don't mind testing versions.  This is my play laptop!
[03:26] <phillw> Bookman: before you add a ppa, can you add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#ppa-purge
[03:27] <stlsaint> phillw: hey i meant to ask you about that, there is a ppa-purge on webupd8, is there a difference between the lubuntu ppa and the one on webup8?
[03:28] <stlsaint> phillw: oh, this seems to be a lubuntu specific ppa, where is this ppa hosted at?
[03:29] <Bookman> phillw, so I should purge first?
[03:29] <phillw> stlsaint: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[03:30] <stlsaint> oh never mind
[03:30] <stlsaint> Bookman: no, only purge after you have added a ppa that has caused a issue with your system
[03:33] <Bookman> phillw, sorry, but a little confused.  You are asking me to add a purge?
[03:34] <stlsaint> Bookman: did you read the wiki page?
[03:35] <stlsaint> Bookman: the purge application is only used when a ppa causes issues with system
[03:35] <Bookman> stlsaint, yes, I understood that.  Just a little confused over phillw last message to me. "before you add a ppa, can you add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#ppa-purge"
[03:36] <Bookman> How do I add a purge?
[03:36] <phillw> Bookman: having ppa purge on BEFORE you need it is a good idea :)
[03:36] <Bookman> Ah, got it now!
[03:37] <Bookman> (sorry, easily confused sometimes)
[03:38] <Bookman> purge installed
[03:40] <BWMerlin> i think my ubuntu install borked again
[03:40] <BWMerlin> its been saying that system is shutting down for 10 mins now
[03:40] <stlsaint> BWMerlin: in vm still?
[03:41] <BWMerlin> yep
[03:42] <stlsaint> BWMerlin: just reset the machine and boot into it again
[03:46] <Bookman> phillw, Ok, purge installed.  Is there a testing ppa now?
[03:47] <phillw> Bookman: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[03:53] <Bookman> phillw, excellent, thanks.
[03:55] <Bookman> phillw, I see that it supports languages, but not layouts.
[03:56] <phillw> Bookman: it's still a developement ppa :)
[03:56] <Bookman> Good progress though !
[03:57] <Bookman> Man, I just love how my laptop runs so cool with Lubuntu compared to Ubuntu.  I think I'll install it on my wife's machine tonight
[03:57] <phillw> Bookman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved do get registered and chip in, it's not a mailing list that will send you 100's of mails a day.
[03:59] <Bookman> phillw, I guess it is about time that I did!
[04:01] <Bookman> hey, I have the wife's machince but it does not have a working cd drive anymore.  Is there a way to install Lunbuntu on it?
[04:02] <phillw> an external usb cd drive?
[04:02] <Bookman> damn, left it at work....
[04:02] <Bookman> Ubuntu causes that machine to run so hot.
[04:02] <phillw> if the computer can boot from usb stick then you can make one of those.
[04:03] <Bookman> Yeah, I don't have one of those either!
[04:03] <phillw> Bookman: then you're like a turkey at Christmas .... stuffed :P
[04:04] <Bookman> hahaha, yeah, I thought so.
[04:04] <phillw> Bookman: you can install lubuntu and remove gnome if it has internet access
[04:06] <phillw> Bookman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
[04:06] <phillw> Bookman: we're nice like that :)
[04:06] <Bookman> Holy, you are just full of info!
[05:11] <BWMerlin> gah
[05:12] <BWMerlin> lubuntu is broken again
[05:12] <BWMerlin> im starting to think the way im installing it has something to do with it
[05:36] <phillw> BWMerlin: have you run the self test on the CD?
[05:36] <BWMerlin> im using the iso
[05:36] <BWMerlin> but i can run that i guess
[05:38] <BWMerlin> ok the cd check said no errors
[05:43] <phillw> BWMerlin: if it is not installing correctly, you may need to clean the cd drive lens, If you can get hold of one - Clean the CD drive with a CD-Drive cleansing CD, burning an ISO CD requires far greater precision than burning, say, a music CD. ( just type in cd lens cleaner into your favourite search engine, they can be bought for about 3 USD / 1 GBP)
[05:44] <BWMerlin> phillw: maybe i should of said earlier this is all inside vmware so im just using the iso no need to burn it
[05:44] <phillw> as there are two leds on a cd/rw drive, it is possible one of them is a bit dirty.
[05:45] <phillw> BWMerlin: I have no knowledge of vmware, sorry.
[05:46] <BWMerlin> it installs
[05:46] <phillw> BWMerlin: you can ask on #ubuntu-beginners one of the people on there may be familiar with vmware.
[05:46] <BWMerlin> but i dont get a populated "start" menu
[05:46] <BWMerlin> and nothing runs
[05:46] <BWMerlin> i can open my home folder and see the readme about encrypting my drive and the file i need to run to do it but it doesnt run
[05:46] <BWMerlin> and i cant open anyting
[05:46] <phillw> have you md5'd the iso?
[05:47] <BWMerlin> nope will do that now
[05:48] <phillw> although if the self test reports okay, it should be okay.
[05:51] <BWMerlin> where can i find the lubuntu md5 sum?
[05:53] <BWMerlin> ok the sums work out
[05:56] <phillw> BWMerlin: if the md5 is okay (which is suspected it would) it is a VMware issue, I'm sorry but I have no experience of it. see if any one on  #ubuntu-beginners has experience with using it.
[05:57] <BWMerlin> im going to try something
[05:58] <BWMerlin> im thinking that 3 things might be messing it up
[05:58] <BWMerlin> im going to try installing it without home folder encryption, not getting updates and not using 3rd party drivers
[05:59] <phillw> BWMerlin: it's always wise to resort to basics if you are having a problem :)
[05:59] <BWMerlin> being a vm its easy to spin up a new one
[06:21] <BWMerlin> phillw: this is looking much better
[06:22] <BWMerlin> one of those three things (or possibly all of them together) screwed up my install
[10:38] <leszek> hi
[10:46] <bioterror> hi leszek
[20:09] <annihilator> is there a 64bit version of lubuntu?  if not can i get the same effect if i install cmdline ubuntu and then aptget the lxde desktop? and get the same distro package?
[20:11] <bioterror> install mini.iso 64bit
[20:11] <bioterror> and then lubuntu
[20:14] <phillw> annihilator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall covers using the 64bit kernel.
[20:14] <bioterror> take the 10.10 64bit ;)
[20:14] <annihilator> thx
[20:24] <annihilator> phillw: doing the instructions you gave me does that will allow me to run 64bit programs? under the lxde desktop?
[20:25] <annihilator> and i have another question does linux support sharememory videocards?
[20:25] <annihilator> lubuntu to be specific of course
[20:25] <phillw> all the programmes are cross compiled in both 32 and 64 bit, it will pull in the 64 bit versions.
[20:26] <phillw> annihilator: I've never heard of those cards, but as the video cards are supported by the kernel and not the desktop environment they should be fine if they work on any flavour of ubuntu.
[20:27] <annihilator> phillw: intel video cards are shared memory
[20:27] <phillw> i have an intel shared memory graphics chip on my laptop, never had a problem :)
[20:27] <annihilator> they use the ram as video memory but i have an nvidia card with 256 dedicated but in windows i can allow it to use the unused portion of my memory in the 32bit version
[20:28] <bioterror> graphics cards which takes memory from computer RAM
[20:28] <bioterror> my laptop has one
[20:28] <annihilator> so i have about 1.5gb of video memory  (256 dedicated and the rest is shared memory) that is why i was asking
[20:28] <phillw> bioterror: ^^ :)
[20:29] <annihilator> cause if i use the 32bit version of (l)ubuntu and get the same effect i will just go down that route
[20:29] <bioterror> you can adjust those from BIOS?
[20:29] <annihilator> no
[20:29] <bioterror> how much ram does the GPU take from RAM
[20:30] <annihilator> it is autocontrolled by bios but i can overide through the nvidia driver
[20:32] <annihilator> it uses 1.5gb of system memory
[20:32] <bioterror> what
[20:32] <annihilator> you asked how much ram my gpu uses
[20:32] <annihilator> it uses 1.5gb
[20:32] <bioterror> :o
[20:32] <annihilator> which gives me a total of 1.791gb
[20:32] <bioterror> my desktop has only 512MB ;)
[20:33] <annihilator> i have 4gb of ram and my nvidia drivers allocates 1gb of system memory between the cpu and gpu as needed
[20:33] <annihilator> the other .5 is added to the 256mb of the gpu
[20:35] <annihilator> but trying to get the same effect in ubuntu might prove difficult but since it is a nividia card i might be able to accomplish that but only if nix supports it
[20:36] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[20:38] <Goodgame> bonjour
[20:38] <phillw> annihilator: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 is also a great resource.
[20:38] <Goodgame> la commande pour chercher les paquets contenant un mot précis sous ubuntu c'est quoi de nouveau?
[20:38] <phillw> Goodgame: english, please. My french is very poor :)
[20:39] <Goodgame> how shit wrong channel
[20:39] <bioterror> !language
[20:42] <Goodgame> sorry
[20:42] <Goodgame> another question
[20:42] <Goodgame> when I create another virtual desktop it disapears at the reboot, this isn't normal is it?
[20:42] <bioterror> you mean third workspace?
[20:42] <Goodgame> yes
[20:43] <bioterror> nano .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[20:43] <bioterror>   <desktops>

[20:44] <bioterror> change that
[20:46] <Goodgame> thanks
[20:46] <Goodgame> gotta reboot to make it ok?
[20:46] <bioterror> log off and log in
[20:47] <bioterror> we're not using windows 95 or 98
[20:47] <bioterror> :;)
[20:47] <Goodgame> another question
[20:48] <Goodgame> what is they keyboard combinaison in chromium to go to the adress bar
[20:48] <bioterror> ctrl+l
[20:48] <bioterror> like in firefox & opera
[20:48] <Goodgame> ok thanks
[20:48] <Goodgame> do you know rhythmbox?
[20:48] <bioterror> yes, but I dont use it
[20:49] <Goodgame> ok
[22:03] <Bookman> Has anyone ever installed xPlane on Lubuntu before?
[22:06] <bioterror> nope
[22:06] <bioterror> and it's not in the repos :D
[22:08] <Bookman> I am getting the following:  error while loading shared libraries: libopenal.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[22:08] <Bookman> bioterror, I understand it is not in the repos, but I am sure one can install software outside the repos?
[22:13] <Bookman> Ah, it seems to be a fault with Ubuntu distros.  some error with the openal package.....
[22:13] <bioterror> :DDDDDDDDDDDdd
[22:13] <bioterror> works now
[22:13] <bioterror> sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1 /usr/lib/libopenal.so.0
[22:13] <bioterror> there you go
[22:13] <bioterror> happy gaming
[22:14] <Bookman> Tried that...no go
[22:14] <bioterror> it is a go
[22:14] <bioterror> I can confirm it with my Lubuntu 10.10
[22:14] <Bookman> ln: target `/usr/lib/libopenal.so.0' is not a directory
[22:14] <Bookman> So maybe not all installations are equal?
[22:15] <bioterror> so how about installing some libraries?
[22:15] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install libopenal1
[22:15] <Bookman> Done that
[22:15] <bioterror> then you should have that
[22:15] <Bookman> hmmm....
[22:16] <bioterror> and you have so.1 which you're linking as .01
[22:16] <bioterror> so.0
[22:16] <bioterror> so w00t w00t
[22:16] <bioterror> you cant make 0 from 0
[22:16] <bioterror> right?
[22:16] <Bookman> ?
[22:17] <bioterror> $ ls /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1
[22:17] <bioterror> does that command reply you something
[22:18] <Bookman> Ah, I got you.  I copied from their own website and pasted to terminal.  I now copied what you gave me and it is working.  Thanks!
[22:18] <bioterror> ofcourse it works if I say it ;)
[22:18] <Bookman> There you go!
[22:18] <bioterror> happy downloading
[22:19] <Bookman> Thanks again.  Appreciate the help!
[22:22] <Bookman> Oh, one last thing...how do I change my clock to a 12 hour clock?
[22:23] <bioterror> digital clock settings
[22:23] <bioterror> when you right click it
[22:23] <bioterror> and change clock format to %h:%m%p
[22:23] <bioterror> sorry
[22:24] <Bookman> Does that 'st'?ick
[22:25] <bioterror> damn
[22:25] <bioterror> trying to remember
[22:26] <Bookman> Yeah, that did not work!
[22:26] <bioterror> it's %I:%M%p
[22:26] <Bookman> And it is done!  Thanks yet again.
[22:26] <Bookman> Now, is it 'sticky'?
[22:27] <bioterror> should be
[22:27] <Bookman> Awesome


[11:53] <Zhenech> could someone please mark this as affecting quantal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monkeystudio/+bug/1074845
[12:40] <jtaylor> done
[13:16] <Zhenech> jtaylor, thanks
[17:01] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: the probably better alternative would be to remove the check completely
[17:02] <jtaylor> but that would require rebuilding what already has picked up .9
[17:02] <jtaylor> (which is probably almost nothing)
[17:02] <tumbleweed> how sure are you that patch versions are compatible?
[17:02] <jtaylor> no
[17:02] <jtaylor> but if they aren'T the soversion should bump
[17:02] <tumbleweed> also, why doesn't that have strict version dependencies to match
[17:02] <jtaylor> there is no reason to do this compiletime <-> runtime check
[17:03] <jtaylor> looks like a case of bad upstream
[17:03] <tumbleweed> do minor releases tend to come with sovesrion bumps?
[17:03] <jtaylor> minor yes, patch don'T no
[17:03] <jtaylor> probably not
[17:03] <jtaylor> debian maintainer said no, but he didn't even know about this issue
[17:04] <tumbleweed> sounds reasonable, do it
[17:04] <jtaylor> such things should be handled by soversion not runtime checks
[17:05] <tumbleweed> yeah
[17:06] <tumbleweed> btw, re the i386 FTBFS, I never reporduced it on sid, and gave up before diving in too deeply
[17:06] <jtaylor> my i386 chroot just finished I'll try 0.9.1
[17:14] <jtaylor> still affected :(
[21:52] <alo21> hi all
[21:52] <alo21> jtaylor: hi... can I ask a thing?
[21:52] <jtaylor> yes?
[21:53] <alo21> jtaylor: I found at merges.ubuntu.com a package called xorp, and I noticed that you are the last uploader
[21:54] <alo21> and I am wondering If I can work on it
[21:55] <jtaylor> sure go ahead
[21:57] <alo21> jtaylor: thanks... I think xorp can be dropped (synced), but because I am a beginner and I am not very insecure, I would like to know If it is right.
[21:58] <jtaylor> yes its pretty likely that it can be synced
[21:58] <jtaylor> test build the debian package
[21:58] <jtaylor> if it works we can give a sync a go
[21:59] <alo21> jtaylor: ok. Thanks again
[22:03] <alo21> jtaylor: I am looking for the debian folder (http://packages.debian.org/source/testing/xorp), but I cannot find it. Can use the Ubuntu one?
[22:04] <jtaylor> use pull-debian-source to get the source
[22:04] <jtaylor> or dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorp/xorp_1.8.5-1.1.dsc
[22:06] <alo21> jtaylor: If I use pull-debian-source, it will retrieve the testing or unstable source?
[22:06] <jtaylor> by default unstable
[22:06] <jtaylor> but you can pull testing or experimental too
[22:06] <jtaylor> see the manpage
[22:13] <alo21> jtaylor: I occured this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1368872/
[22:13] <jtaylor> are you building in pbuilder?
[22:13] <alo21> I run debuild -S
[22:14] <jtaylor> that should not be needed when you pull the unmodified source
[22:14] <jtaylor> you can pass that directly to pbuilder
[22:16] <alo21> jtaylor: it meens that every time I edit a part of a packeg for ubuntu, i have to edit debian/rules too. right?
[22:16] <jtaylor> not always
[22:16] <jtaylor> rules takes care of building the package, you only have to touch that if there is something wrong with the build
[22:17] <alo21> and could you tell why I occure that error?
[22:17] <jtaylor> because you don't have all build dependencies installed
[22:17] <jtaylor> in this case scons is missing
[22:18] <jtaylor> you could install them with mk-build-deps -ir
[22:18] <jtaylor> but for this its better to just dump it in pbuilder
[22:19] <jtaylor> pbuilder-dist raring amd64 build <dsc-file>
[22:19] <alo21> jtaylor: I asked it, in this way I start to recognize some errors and know how to resolve the,
[22:19] <alo21> them*
[22:34] <alo21> jtaylor: the building is ended. Have try to install it too?
[22:35] <alo21> have i*
[22:35] <jtaylor> you should test the upgrade/install too yes
[22:35] <jtaylor> there is a pbuilder hook that does that for you
[22:36] <jtaylor> unfortunately it often screws something up
[22:42] <alo21> jtaylor: ok, it works. Now I am going to make a sync request
[22:52] <alo21> jtaylor: here is the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorp/+bug/1080485
[22:57] <jtaylor> thx, sponsored


[00:01] <guiverc> When packaging is done, and if you feel appropriate, should I PM or reply back (publically on post) to Fahim that his submissions were selected the defaults  (he may appreciate it)
[00:02]  * guiverc may not actually do it until it's on a daily that he can download & see
[00:02] <kc2bez> I think that is a good idea.
[00:04] <guiverc> Fahim's name will need including in the contributors list too
[00:05] <kc2bez> Yes, absolutely, I also added to the debian/copyright
[00:06] <guiverc> :)   thanks Dan
[00:06] <kc2bez> Sure thing.
[00:07] <kc2bez> I hope to start on 20.04.3 release notes tomorrow.
[00:13] <guiverc> :)
[10:49] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal 20.04.3] (20210819) has been added
[13:24] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto, teward: Looks like qterminal is stuck in -proposed: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qterminal
[13:24] <tsimonq2> Apport issue might need to be solved first.
[13:26] <teward> probably.  updAte excuses is slow tho
[13:26] <tsimonq2> Well, I wouldn't entirely blame this one on excuses. It does say that the apport autopkgtest is blocking migration, independent of glibc.
[13:26] <tsimonq2> I did retry the apport autopkgtest against qterminal: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/apport/impish/amd64
[13:28] <tsimonq2> Looking at that page, maybe there's a variable we can eliminate there. If apport itself does succeed when specified as its own trigger, I'm willing to bet that qterminal isn't causing apport to fail, lol. :)
[13:43] <tsimonq2> Also, I figured out what's up with Lugito.
[13:43] <tsimonq2> A) I don't think that the new Lugito is registered with LiberaChat.
 It should be registered with the same pw as before.
[13:44] <tsimonq2> B) LiberaChat is requiring a SASL connection.
 might be that
[13:45] <tsimonq2> Here's what I'm seeing:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/001534306d99e977238fb0b105537379dc27701e)
[13:45] <tsimonq2> Now, that being said... it doesn't seem sustainable to have to maintain a raw IRC connection protocol on our end. I didn't see that shortcoming when Lugito was originally written.
 I think it is the SASL issue. we had the same problem with lubot
[13:46] <tsimonq2> Yeah. So either we just connect it through Matrix, or write SASL integration into Lugito.
[13:47] <tsimonq2> I think the latter of which is much less sustainable long term, but the former will require a bit of work as well.
 Matrix seems like a path of lesser resistance
[13:48] <tsimonq2> I agree.
[15:20] <tsimonq2> Do we have anything left on the docket that needs to get in the archive today?
 pavucontrol-qt
[15:21] <tsimonq2> What's the latest?
 and cala settings needs to be updated for impish
 There is a diff already, let me add you to the reviewers
[15:22] <tsimonq2> Cool, if you're able to throw me a link, that would work too
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D137
 I haven't done anything with cala settings yet
[15:24] <tsimonq2> Reviewing the diff now.
[15:27] <tsimonq2> The diff looks good, but I'm going to practice doing a full local review before I upload.
 ok, sounds good. It was in our packageset for hirsute but not impish so I can't upload. I need to compile a list and submit that.
[15:38] <tsimonq2> No problem.
 I appreciate the help.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> Glad to be back :)
 It really is great having you here.
[15:40] <tsimonq2> For sure :)
[15:41]  * tsimonq2 crosses fingers that the upload is accepted...
 Looks like it was
[15:42] <tsimonq2> [ubuntu/impish-proposed] pavucontrol-qt 0.17.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[15:42] <tsimonq2> \o/
 Just ran a quick test on latest Impish Lubuntu and think the new default wallpaper is fantastic..:)
 What is?
 I really like it too. I guess I should, I selected it.
 standby, I'll grab a screenshot.
 I'm on vacation and I don't have a computer nearby
 Sorry
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/495099b0/file_3180.jpg
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/7aef67f4/file_3181.jpg
 I like It! Thanks
 Whoops, the notification popped up on the SDDM screenshot.
 Ohhh yes , xD
 I am super happy with them, I am glad others like them too.
 That's lovelyt (re @kc2bez: )
 Thanks Bill
 that looks great though


[02:52] <ochosi> has anyone here gotten the global menu to work with xfce4-panel?
[03:09] <FlamingLinux> hello, does anyone know how to move the buttons to the left in Xubuntu Lucid Lynx?
[03:13] <ochosi> FlamingLinux, go to settings > settings manager > window manager > and there drag and drop the buttons
[03:14] <FlamingLinux> thank you
[03:14] <ochosi> FlamingLinux, having said that: themes can also hardcode the button position
[03:14] <ochosi> FlamingLinux, but with most themes the drag and drop works
[03:14] <FlamingLinux> oh? thanks for letting me know :)
[03:15] <ochosi> np
[06:35] <visitor1> hi people, need help to get a canon mp640 under xubuntu 10.04 working,i downloaded the latest sane from the sane webpage and i did ./configure, make,make install
[06:35] <visitor1> , i installed xsane form the ubuntu package manager, but when i start xsane it says no devices avaiable but the scanner is connected and i can print with it
[09:10] <Distress> Hello, i have a bit of a problem. Some time ago i installed xubuntu on my mothers computer for safety reasons, its an old hp laptop. Now, all of a sudden the wireless stopped working, and if i right click the network icon in the top bar the "activate wireless" option is grayed out and unchecked. I tried rebooting, updating, rebooting, uninstalling the wireless driver and installing it again.
[09:10] <Distress> I have no more options
[09:10] <Distress> Please help!
[09:11] <psycho_oreos> probably its missing a firmware, which chipset brand name and model?
[09:13] <Distress> brb checking
[09:13] <Distress> but how could it work earlier and stop working all of a sudden if firmware is mising?
[09:14] <psycho_oreos> well its hard to say, anything is remotely possible
[09:15] <Distress> THe laptop is a HP Compaq nx6110
[09:15] <psycho_oreos> I've noticed ubuntu likes to create alternative directories for firmwares whenever a new kernel has been installed and if the proprietary driver was installed in the previous kernel version, in the upgraded and now booted up kernel version will not see those proprietary drivers for example
[09:15] <psycho_oreos> pastebin your lspci -nnk output
[09:16] <psycho_oreos> s/{driver,drivers}/{firmware,firmwares}/
[09:17] <Distress> pastebin.org/278020
[09:18] <psycho_oreos> hmm thought so, broadcrap.. even worse, there's no b43 module loaded
[09:18] <psycho_oreos> could it be that b43 is blacklisted?
[09:19] <psycho_oreos> hmm wait maybe its deliberately removed, there's no traces
[09:19] <Distress> but according to the proprietary drivers dingy its activated
[09:20] <psycho_oreos> I believe you may have activated the wrong way.. proprietary drivers for that instance would probably be using wl instead of b43.. wl doesn't support that specific chipset, b43 however otoh does
[09:21] <psycho_oreos> modprobe -l| grep wl| wc -l
[09:22] <Distress> it said 17
[09:22] <psycho_oreos> err whoops
[09:22] <psycho_oreos> modprobe -l| grep wl.ko| wc -l
[09:22] <Distress> 0
[09:23] <psycho_oreos> modprobe -l| grep b43.ko| wc -l
[09:23] <Distress> 1
[09:24] <psycho_oreos> weird.. so the driver is there (at least the right one and free/open one)
[09:24] <psycho_oreos> sudo modprobe b43
[09:25] <Distress> hmm, did nothing
[09:25] <psycho_oreos> nope, check iwconfig for wlan0
[09:26] <Distress> what should i look for? theres alot in the wlan0 section
[09:26] <psycho_oreos> pastebin the last 20 or so lines of dmesg
[09:28] <Distress> pastebin.org/278050
[09:28] <psycho_oreos> nothing there
[09:29] <Distress> should i just format and re-install the system?
[09:29] <psycho_oreos> no
[09:29] <psycho_oreos> dmesg| tail -30
[09:30] <psycho_oreos> pastebin that
[09:31] <Distress> pastebin.org/278059
[09:31] <psycho_oreos> still nothing there
[09:31] <psycho_oreos> something is telling me you're not doing it right
[09:31] <Distress> yeah might be
[09:32] <psycho_oreos> dmesg| tail -30 would and should display the last 30 lines of dmesg output
[09:32] <psycho_oreos> copy and paste exactly what I typed into the terminal
[09:34] <Distress> i get 62 lines
[09:34] <psycho_oreos> ok copy and paste those into pastebin
[09:34] <Distress> pastebin.org/278073
[09:36] <psycho_oreos> I can't see any output from what you pasted, try another service, like pastebin.ca
[09:38] <Distress> hmm, .ca isnt loading. but its weird, i can see output from my other computer
[09:39] <Distress> trying .com
[09:39] <Distress> pastebin.com/YRZ9jCAY
[09:40] <psycho_oreos> ahh there we go, some progress ok, what I need is the last 30 lines of dmesg.. did you do dmesg| tail -30 ?
[09:41] <psycho_oreos> wait, nm I see that
[09:41] <psycho_oreos> lsmod| grep b43
[09:42] <Distress> pastebin.com/bb5dhiqU
[09:43] <psycho_oreos> hmm weird.. try using that interface through networkmanager or whatever you use
[09:43] <psycho_oreos> interface as in wlan0
[09:46] <Distress> cant activate wlan0
[09:47] <psycho_oreos> what about scanning, does it support scanning? like can you see other wireless networks?
[09:48] <Distress> no thats the problem, activating wlan0 is unchecked and grayed out
[09:48] <Distress> and i cant do anything like that
[09:48] <psycho_oreos> ok go back into terminal and do iwlist wlan0 scanning
[09:48] <psycho_oreos> err sudo iwlist wlan0 scanning
[09:49] <Distress> "interface doesn't support scanning: network is down"
[09:49] <psycho_oreos> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[09:49] <psycho_oreos> and repeat that same command again
[09:50] <Distress> unkown error 132
[09:51] <psycho_oreos> pastebin your ls -al /lib/firmware/b43
[09:53] <Distress> pastebin.com/6G6CRari
[09:55] <psycho_oreos> pastebin your ls -al /lib| grep firmware
[09:56] <Distress> pastebin.com/xCZ5d3xb
[09:56] <psycho_oreos> weird
[09:57] <Distress> yeah
[09:58] <psycho_oreos> to say the least, once loading b43, dmesg should have entries about b43 such as the calling of regdom, etc
[10:02] <Distress> god damn it
[10:02] <Distress> guess ill format
[10:02] <Sysi> you could try to boot to older kernel
[10:03] <Distress> okay ill try
[10:07] <Distress> Hmm, just noticed there isnt any menu.lst in the grub directory
[10:08] <psycho_oreos> you probably have grub2
[10:08] <psycho_oreos> !grub2
[10:08] <Distress> shouldnt it be in /boot/?
[10:09] <Distress> i only have /boot/grub/
[12:04] <arthurjohnson> Distress: Grub config is now in /etc/default/grub, make your adjustments and run sudo update-grub
[12:05] <Distress> how do i get it to run an older kernel then?
[12:06] <Sysi> grub menu on bootup
[12:15] <Distress> okay so i tried booting an older kernel, but still nothing
[15:56] <emerson> hi my toolbar just disappear what do I have to do to have it back ?
[15:57] <knome> emerson, alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[15:59] <emerson> knome: thank you man ..but I wanna know how  this happens ?
[15:59] <emerson> knome: I don't understand...is it a bug ?
[16:04] <likemindead> What version of Xubuntu are you running, emerson?
[17:32] <Psilocybin_Elf> Wooosh, didn't realise how fast Xfce was 'til I turned compositing off!!!
[17:35] <Sysi> bad graphics?
[17:39] <Sysi> (card, drivers)
[19:23] <ochosi> has anyone here tried global-menu in xubuntu?
[20:02] <renata> hello, I am stuck with formating usb flash on lucid. I know that commad is 'sudo mkfs.vfat' for that. However, I dont know what follows next. I need a hand please
[20:04] <Sysi> you definately want to use command line? i've always used gparted
[20:05] <xbonton> xubuntu crashes randomly showing black and white lines flashing pls help ;(
[20:06] <charlie-tca> !formatting
[20:06] <gottto> renata: you need the device name - e.g. /dev/sdb1 - but use   sudo fdisk -l   to find the right one
[20:08] <renata> gottto, thanks, that worked, fdisk -l was what I needed
[20:09] <gottto> np renata :]
[20:11] <xbonton> http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1475153  <----- anyone please help
[20:14] <gottto> xbonton: it's either the monitor refresh rate being wrong or the vid card overheating or similar - the X log will tell the refresh rate being used and you'll need to google to check if it is right
[20:20] <dezza_k> Quick question, and I'm not holding out much hope for answer. Using an Nvidia GeForce 6200. Got a 1920x1080 plugged into the DVI socket and a 1280x1024 monitor in the VGA socket. Have twinview enabled, but the VGA screen will no go to a usable resolution above 1024x768 (same even on a single display set-up). It reports as being a CRT screen even though it's LCD. Any suggestions?
[20:21] <dezza_k> Oh, using the Nvidia drivers 195.36.15 and X11 1.7.6
[20:22] <gottto> there's some docs for nvidia in /usr/share/docs iirc - anything useful in there dezza_k ?
[20:25] <xbonton> gottto: changed the refresh rate i hope it works ty ;)
[20:25] <dezza_k> gotto: There doesn't appear to be documentation as such, but there are some source code for what appear to be sample apps. I'm gonna take a look through those.
[20:25] <gottto> k
[21:24] <cristian_c> Hi guys
[21:27] <cristian_c> I tried to select the startup and login sounds
[21:27] <cristian_c> in Lucid 10.04
[21:28] <cristian_c> here I was told that with Lucid would restore service
[21:29] <cristian_c> but I can not find the option
[21:30] <cristian_c> I also installed Gdm2setup, but it does not have these options
[21:34] <cristian_c> Fino a jaunty funzionava tutto. In tale versione c'èra la finestra chiamata Login Window  e la scheda Accessibility, dalla quale si potevano scegliere i suoni per il login e lo startup
[21:34] <cristian_c> ops
[21:35] <cristian_c> Up to jaunty everything worked. In this version there was a window called Login Window and the Accessibility tab, where you could choose the sounds for the startup and login
[21:37] <cristian_c> how can I fix this?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> And then GDM was re-written and made real difficult to do much with if Gnome is not the chosen desktop?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I don't think there is a fix yet
[21:39] <cristian_c> even from the command line?
[22:40] <xubiNoob> hi all ... can anybody help me to solve an audio problem?
[22:40] <xubiNoob> i can't play any audio
[22:42] <xubiNoob> nobody?
[22:44] <xubiNoob> tnx anyway ... have a good night.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> !patience | xubiNoob
[22:46] <xubiNoob> just done :)
[22:47] <xubiNoob> it's 2 week that i've the problem :)
[22:47] <Darth_Tux> hi all, i hosed my grub in xubuntu, is there a way to repair it from the live cd?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> !grub2
[22:48] <xubiNoob> i've an open topic on ubuntu-it.org forum
[22:55] <likemindead> What exactly is the issue, xubiNoob?
[23:32] <Darth_Tux> i am having trouble reinstalling grub from a liveCD. mounting sda fails because i have to declare filetype, how do i do that?
[23:38] <likemindead> Have you looked here -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto ?
[23:38] <Darth_Tux> likemindead, i have looked in alot of places thus far
[23:39] <likemindead> Hahaha... yeah, I know how that goes.
[23:39] <likemindead> Looks promising: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1485445
[23:39] <likemindead> (It has a "SOLVED.")
[23:40] <Darth_Tux> yes, so has most of what i read
[23:40] <Darth_Tux> but the SOLVED doesnt fix my problem so it is still UNSOLVED :(
[23:41] <Darth_Tux> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[23:42] <likemindead> Stick ext4 in there somewhere? :-\
[23:43] <knome> mount -t ext4 ...
[23:43] <Darth_Tux> its ntfs
[23:43] <knome> !ntfs
[23:43] <Darth_Tux> and when i add -t ntfs the error gets longer
[23:45] <Darth_Tux> trying to avoid a reinstall
[23:45] <knome> maybe you should try to pastebin the error what you get with -t ntfs then
[23:47] <Darth_Tux> http://pastebin.ca/1872966
[23:49] <knome> Darth_Tux, looks like the ntfs partition itself is broken
[23:49] <knome> Darth_Tux, there's a tool called 'ntfsfix' in the package 'ntfsprogs'
[23:50] <Darth_Tux> what filetypes can the boot partition be?
[23:50] <knome> i don't know. sorry
[23:58] <Darth_Tux> if i reinstall without formatting any drives would that possibly fix things?


[03:26] <inahd> tello
[03:27] <inahd> hehe hi
[03:27] <inahd> could someone tell me... how i could access the filesystem from a live usb install, from my regular install?
[03:52] <shai_halud> mount it
[03:52] <holstein> shai_halud: user is gone
[03:52] <shai_halud> oh. thanks
[03:53] <holstein> shai_halud: no worries.. only gave us a minute to respond.. probably figured it out
[03:53] <holstein> well, 10 minutes
[03:54] <shai_halud> how are you doing tonight?
[03:55] <holstein> not bad.. tired, but i have a day off tomorrow, first one in a while... and you?
[03:55] <shai_halud> trying to figure something out in lmms. driving me nuts
[03:56] <shai_halud> has to do with an arpeggio not sounding in meter
[03:57] <shai_halud> i actually didn't notice at first. now it sticks out like a sore thumb
[03:57] <holstein> eh, sometimes it can be nice
[03:57] <shai_halud> strange how time affects the way music sounds
[03:58] <shai_halud> i.e., as time progresses, your perception changes
[03:58] <holstein> probably sound "wrong" to you, but it might create intrest for someone else
[03:59] <shai_halud> that's always possible, i suppose, but there was always something not quite right with this. now i have finally pinpointed the error, but i still don't know how to fix it
[04:00] <holstein> mute it for a bit
[04:00] <shai_halud> can't. it's the main driving part of the song
[04:00] <shai_halud> the rhythm that plays throughout
[04:01] <shai_halud> it's a repeated section though, so if i fix it, i will just delete the rest and c/p it
[04:01] <holstein> well, you can, if you want
[04:01] <shai_halud> i really want to fix it is what i want
[04:01] <holstein> but, you can grab it and scoot it around and hide the edges im sure
[04:01] <shai_halud> are you familiar with lmms?
[04:01] <holstein> sure, go for it.. im just proposing that it might not be broken
[04:02] <shai_halud> oh it is
[04:02] <shai_halud> trust me
[04:02] <holstein> you can ask in #opensourcemusicians ..i dont use it, but one of the dev's hangs there
[04:04] <shai_halud> see, it's an arpeggio called "Jupiter" in "Triple Oscillator", which , when a note is played, 2 notes follow it. . I have ... well, i have too many of these notes clustered together
[04:04] <shai_halud> it's a problem i have to fix myself
[04:04] <shai_halud> i doubt anyone can help with it
[04:05] <shai_halud> just venting
[04:06] <shai_halud> you may as well hear it http://soundcloud.com/teradyme/invitation
[04:06] <shai_halud>  you will notice the main driving rhythm, and when many of the same note are played in succession, they overlap too closely
[04:07] <shai_halud> it is almost beautiful, but i have to find just the right spacing for the notes
[04:08] <holstein> shai_halud: works fine for me
[04:09] <shai_halud> it's pretty close but it's off
[04:09] <holstein> its "floaty" and non-precise anyway
[04:09] <holstein> doenst bother me, as is
[04:09] <holstein> sounds like an analog synth cranked it out
[04:09] <shai_halud> turn on a metronome, about 98 bpm, and see how it sounds
[04:10] <shai_halud> it's an ugly mess when you do that
[04:10] <holstein> doesnt bother me
[04:11] <holstein> i dont need my music to be "neat"... sounds like an old record or an old analog synth
[04:11] <holstein> sounds natural
[04:11] <shai_halud> yeah. it's linux multi-media studio
[04:11] <holstein> i mean, fix it if you want... im sure it'll sound fine precise, but it might also sound boring
[04:11] <shai_halud> i've thought of that aspect too
[04:12] <shai_halud> if hydrogen was a little freer with hit placement, i would just try to place beats where i feel they belong, but i have tried, and it just sounds worse
[04:12] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: it's very free, read the manual!
[04:12] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: save yourself a lot of asking here:)
[04:13] <shai_halud> hehe
[04:13] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: you can have 32-s if you want
[04:13] <shai_halud>  i'm not asking, really. just lamenting
[04:13] <shai_halud> i figured out what was wrong
[04:13] <shai_halud> finally
[04:14] <shai_halud> it's the damn triplet
[04:14] <shai_halud> and the delay that it is set with (time setting)
[04:16] <shai_halud> basically what i did was use ... hm if i could adjust the durarion of the triplet i might be able to fix it
[04:16] <shai_halud> without getting too drastic
[04:42] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: problem often is the time setting :)
[04:43] <shai_halud> yeah, i have tried adjusting it. i am looking right now at measures and note length and proximity
[04:43] <shai_halud> experimenting in a solo track with the instrument til ifind the movement i am looking for
[04:44] <shai_halud> between that and time i should be able to get it
[04:45] <shai_halud> once i get this rhytm track fixed, it's going to be downhill
[04:48] <sirriffsalot> Using my oxygen on my hydrogen *shades* Feels so col
[04:48] <sirriffsalot> cool*
[04:49] <sirriffsalot> If I knew chemistry I could probably say a nice result of those two elements lol
[04:51] <shai_halud> oxygen?
[04:52] <shai_halud> is that a program too? i was thinking about that today .. thought i had heard of a program by that name
[06:15] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: oxygen49
[06:15] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: it's a midi-keyboard
[06:15] <shai_halud> mm
[06:15] <shai_halud> ok. i have heard of that
[06:16] <shai_halud> writing a crazy riff out slaughter fest.... because i can
[06:25] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: haa?
[06:25] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: didn't get that
[06:26] <shai_halud> said- i am writing a riff-out-slaughter-fest
[06:26] <shai_halud> something frank would be proud of
[06:26] <sirriffsalot> Aha.. ehe
[06:26] <shai_halud> (god rest his soul)
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> Zappa?
[06:27] <shai_halud> damn right. is there any other?
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> Well Frank Sinatra.. though he didn't write riffs
[06:27] <shai_halud> ha
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> But a lot of guitarists named frank I'm sure
[06:27] <shai_halud> when i say frank, it's that one
[06:28] <sirriffsalot> Someone here's named frank.. be careful, hehe
[16:42] <conspiritech> having issues trying to get a 3.5 mm analog input to play through to headphones
[18:05] <hectorlopez> hi there, im trying to compile libvisual under ubuntu 12.04 and here is the output http://dpaste.com/1008001/
[18:05] <hectorlopez> ubuntu studio :))
[18:07] <zequence> hectorlopez: Seems like you might be missing something. Did you install all needed dependencies?
[18:07] <hectorlopez> i only uset the git and cmake todo
[18:10] <holstein> hectorlopez: you'll be responsible for getting whatever dependencies the package needs...
[18:12] <hectorlopez> yes, i have, but i dont know how cmake have a strange error
[18:14] <zequence> hectorlopez: Try a channel for programming. I can't find the reason to your problem
[18:15] <zequence> hectorlopez: You could try #lad
[18:15] <zequence> == linux audio developers
[18:44] <hectorlopez> ok thanks
[19:02] <hectorlopez>  solved :D i have a missing dependency under ubuntu studio liborc-0.4-dev installed whit synaptic :DDD and found all libvisual thanks!
[19:42] <hectorlopez> one more, i want install sdl under ubuntu studio 12.04 :P i have google it but i dont have good resource
[19:43] <zequence> hectorlopez: sdl dev libs?
[19:44] <zequence> hectorlopez: Try: apt-cache search libsdl
[19:46] <hectorlopez> cool thx
[20:15] <holstein> hectorlopez: always try and just install from the repos.. the repos are common for all ubuntu's
[21:32] <TheGrey> o/ my soundcard (M audio 2496) is all of a sudden not recognised by aplay -l, or by its mixer (envy24control). Lspci shows it's ID though. Do I need to turn of the onboard soundcard in the BIOS? But at the moment my Nvidia HDMI is the default card! Thanks..
[21:33] <holstein> TheGrey: was it an upgrade that "broke" it?
[22:09] <zequence> TheGrey: Sounds pretty bad. Make sure the card is not loose or something
[22:16] <TheGrey> Thanks, I'll try and reseat the card. If that fails should I disable the onbard card? Also if lspci picks it up does it mean that it is detected by the system? Here is my dump: http://pastebin.com/ZGhCAG5N
[22:17] <holstein> aplay -l is important.. that means alsa sees it
[22:17] <TheGrey> holstein: right, but its not displayed there. What could be the issue you think?
[22:18] <holstein> TheGrey: if it was an upgrade that broke it, then the kernel or alsa version could have dropped support fort he device, or broke it
[22:18] <holstein> TheGrey: bad hardware
[22:20] <TheGrey> thanks. what do you think I can do to resolve this issue? I run sudo apt-get update reguraly.
[22:20] <holstein> you could stop updating, and use it more like an appliance
[22:20] <holstein> you could test the hardware in an offically supported opertating system.. or with a known-good live CD
[22:21] <TheGrey> kk, is there a way I can revert to an old ALSA?
[22:21] <holstein> TheGrey: first, i would try just booting the older kernel you probably kept.. then you can just search alsa in the package manager of your choice
[22:22] <holstein> you can always try the live CD you installed from.. that'll tell you something
[22:22] <TheGrey> I understand, thanks for all the help. And does the lspci rule out a seating error?
[22:23] <zequence> No dropped support
[22:23] <zequence> It's ice1712, which is still one of the most used chips around for pro audio on pci
[22:24] <zequence> TheGrey: I would suspect hardware failure, but there could be some weird IRQ conflict too, I guess
[22:24] <zequence> TheGrey: If you have more PCI slots, try switching
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: Also, try our live DVD to make sure it's not your OS
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: If none of those work, I would suspect hardware failure
[22:25] <TheGrey> right, no problem. I just got the card a week ago! It was working nicely for a few days.
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: The onboard card would not likely cause problems
[22:26] <TheGrey> right, thanks. Can the pci slot be an issue?
[22:27] <zequence> TheGrey: I've had some IRQ conflicts when using the Debian -rt kernel. It would mute my audio device, but that was different.
[22:28] <zequence> TheGrey: Different PCI slots have different IRQs
[22:28] <TheGrey> cool, what are IRQs?
[22:28] <zequence> The problem with the -rt kernel was actually the kernel itself, not my iRQs
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: IRQs are like channels. All peripherials on your PC have one
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: Some IRQs are share between many devices
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: Do this in a terminal: 3.2.0-39.41
[22:29] <zequence> Sorry :)
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: cat /proc/interrupts
[22:30] <zequence> I think your device should show as snd_ice1712
[22:31] <zequence> TheGrey: I would make sure that the card is well seated first. Then maybe try the live DVD. And last, try different pci slots
[22:32] <TheGrey> thanks, I cannot see it in the /cat buit I assume that because the card isn't loaded by ALSA. I'll follow your advice. Just a final question: if it is a IRQ issue, why would it have been working in the potentially faulty slot before?
[22:33] <zequence> TheGrey: Faulty slot would have nothing to do with IRQ. an update to your system could have something to do with handling of IRQs, all though unlikely
[22:33] <zequence> TheGrey: you didn't add any new PPA, or kernels, or anything like that?
[22:34] <TheGrey> As far as I am aware no. This appears to have happened randomly for me.
[22:34] <zequence> TheGrey: cat is not a directory. It's a command: cat /proc/interrupts
[22:35] <TheGrey> :D I meant that!
[22:35] <zequence> TheGrey: If the card shows or not is not depending on ALSA to my knowledge
[22:36] <TheGrey> oohh so that could meant a seating or IRQ issue?
[22:36] <TheGrey> or a hardware failure. I suppose its impossible to tell without testing
[22:37] <zequence> TheGrey: Again, I would make sure it's well seated first. Then double check with another OS to make sure it's not your OS. Then try different slots. If all fails, I would highly suspect hardware failure
[22:37] <zequence> You could also try putting the device into another machine
[22:38] <TheGrey> zequence: thanks for the sagely advice. I will proceed and try to resolve this issue. Many thanks again!
[22:38] <zequence> TheGrey: Hope it works out :)
[22:40] <zequence> hmm, what would make all devices show and being sure drivers are not involved. snd_1712 actually looks a lot like an ALSA name
[22:41] <zequence> TheGrey: Here's another command you could try: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices
[22:41] <zequence> I should look more into this
[22:42] <TheGrey> still not found. I reckon the reseating>liveCD>PCI switchout trifecta test is my best bet
[22:44] <zequence> TheGrey: Ahh, of course. Just do: lspci
[22:44] <TheGrey> zequence: and as mentioned it's sitting here: 08:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
[22:44] <zequence> Or rather: lspci -b
[22:45] <zequence> TheGrey: Oh, you said that :P
[22:45] <TheGrey> :)
[22:45] <TheGrey> so do you think this rules out a seating and/or IRQ issue?
[22:46] <zequence> TheGrey: Well, clearly the system sees the device, but ALSA is not loading it then. I would try a live DVD, or another OS installed on the same machine to see if the device works or not
[22:47] <TheGrey> kk. I've got a lot of tests to do!
[22:50] <TheGrey> and as a last restore, would resintalling ALSA potentially resolve this issue?
[22:52] <zequence> TheGrey: It's hard to say at this point what has gone wrong
[22:53] <zequence> TheGrey: I've never heard of alsa becoming corrupted
[22:53] <zequence> I mean, just by using it
[23:14] <sirriffsalot> How can I exclude certain packages from PPA's being suggested to be updated (in my case KXStudio's Ardour, which I no longer need being a subscriber of Ardour)?
[23:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot: I haven't looked at that closely, but one simple way to do it is to disable the PPA, and whenever you want to use the PPA for something specific, you enable it. Then either install one new app, or just: apt-get install --only-upgrade <someapp>, to update it
[23:21] <sirriffsalot> zequence: good advice. how about this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/170235/how-do-i-cherry-pick-packages-from-a-ppa
[23:23] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Yeah. That stuff is really Debian/apt technicality, and you should be able to find some info in either Ubuntu or Debian wikis
[23:23] <sirriffsalot> zequence: was it a bad idea for an Ubuntu guy?
[23:24] <zequence> sirriffsalot: What I mean is, it's not specific to PPAs or Ubuntu.
[23:24] <sirriffsalot> zequence: alright. gonna look for a more wiki-manualed approach
[23:26] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Could be there's a channel for apt you could try to
[23:26] <sirriffsalot> zequence: yeah, looking as we type
[23:27] <zequence> debian or ubuntu devs should know too
[23:27] <zequence> ..or users
[23:27]  * sirriffsalot points toward #ubuntustudio
[23:28] <sirriffsalot> zequence: hmm, strange.. now that I removed A2.8.16, the updater does not mention it again when I recheck..
[23:30] <zequence> sirriffsalot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75895/how-to-forbid-a-specific-package-to-be-installed
[23:31] <sirriffsalot> zequence: maan.. the trouble with linux is that there are so many approaches you have to know all of them well to decide which is best
[23:31] <sirriffsalot> zequence: thanks!
[23:31] <zequence> /etc/apt/preferences seems like a good place to put rules in
[23:32] <zequence> sirriffsalot: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
[23:32] <sirriffsalot> zequence: yeah, found that :)


[07:58] <mvo> hey, I was trying to enable automatic builds on branch changes for https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/+snap/base-18/ - but the checkbox "Automatically build when branch changes" and hit update snap package I get a "Uh oh!" error page with no oops ( Technically, the load balancer took too long to connect to an application server.)
[08:08] <wgrant> mvo: Is that reproducible?
[08:10] <wgrant> That suggests the store took too long to reply to LP, but it's working okay for me now.
[08:11] <mvo> wgrant: for me it is reproducible, I get it everytime (just tried again 10sec ago)
[08:23] <wgrant> mvo: Very weird. I'll keep digging, but hopefully cjwatson will have some ideas when he arrives.
[08:24] <wgrant> We're not getting OOPSes, which doesn't make much sense.
[08:25] <mvo> wgrant: ok, please let me know if I can help in any way. note its not super urgent yet, there is a bit of time before we really need base-18 :) but its puzzling
[08:26] <wgrant> mvo: I suppose you couldn't be convinced to namespace base-16 and base-18 a bit?
[08:26] <wgrant> The names are a little unclear today.
[08:27] <wgrant> When I first saw base-16 in the project list I assumed someone had written a new hexadecimal calculator.
[08:27] <mvo> wgrant: happy to do that
[08:27] <mvo> wgrant: haha
[08:27] <mvo> wgrant: snap-base-18 ?
[08:28] <wgrant> That'd be much clearer IMO
[08:30] <mvo> ok
[08:30] <mvo> I will delete the other names and rename
[08:30] <wgrant> mvo: I can rename
[08:30] <mvo> wgrant: great, please do, for both base-16 and base-18
[08:31] <wgrant> mvo: Done. Thanks.
[08:31] <mvo> wgrant: and thank you!
[08:31] <wgrant> mvo: Still digging in logs for your authorisation issue. It's very unusual that we don't get a soft timeout or something.
[08:31] <wgrant> Well, very unusual that you don't get a very obvious OOPS ID. Even less usual than we don't seem to get an OOPS even internally.
[08:32]  * mvo nods
[11:18] <ahasenack> hi there, I need some help in fetching an attachment from LP. It has a funny name (incorrectly encoded I bet) and launchpad gives me a 404
[11:18] <ahasenack> it's in this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1730311/comments/3
[11:29] <cjwatson> certainly looks like an encoding issue, but the exception makes no sense
[11:29] <cjwatson> NotFound: Object: <BugAttachment at 0x7f8d942abc90>, name: u'='
[11:29] <cjwatson> there's no '=' segment in that URL
[11:30] <cjwatson> I guess something must be decoding the %3F too early
[11:30] <wgrant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/983766
[11:30] <wgrant> Apache being evil
[11:31] <wgrant> Basically an unavoidable mod_rewrite misfeature IIRC
[11:31] <wgrant> But it's been half a decade, maybe it's been fixed :)
[11:32] <wgrant> You can get the raw librarian URLs from the API if you really need access to that attachment
[11:40] <Nafallo> wgrant: found /msg yet? ;-)
[11:41] <wgrant> Nafallo: Oops, apparently my window columns overflowed.
[13:09] <ahasenack> cjwatson: wgrant: that guy is adding attachments to the bug via email :/
[13:09] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1730311/comments/5
[21:42] <alai> hi, what user should be login to get the subscriptions list?
[21:42] <alai> it gives this error: lazr.restfulclient.errors.Unauthorized: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized
[21:42] <alai> (<Person at 0x7f6b8ed76890 canonical-is (Canonical IS)>, 'name', 'launchpad.LimitedView')
[21:43] <alai> I login using Launchpad.login_anonymously
[21:43] <alai> and get a list of bugs using launchpad.bugs.searchTasks()
[21:44] <wgrant> alai: What is the exact statement that is failing?
[21:44] <alai> and a for loop to get to each subscriptions
[21:44] <alai> wgrant, for x in task.bug.subscriptions:
[21:45] <wgrant> alai: Which bug is it?
[21:45] <alai> let me print out bug number
[21:47] <alai> wgrant, 1723480
[21:48] <wgrant> alai: Ah, so this is a bit of weirdness in some permissions. You have to options: either catch the exception and ignore the private subscriber, or log in as any user at all and you'll be able to see limited details (mostly just the name).
[21:48] <wgrant> This is one of two places where permissions differ between anonymous and arbitrary users.
[21:51] <alai> ah ok
[21:51] <alai> so to login using name i can just do Launchpad.login('username') ?
[21:51] <alai> i read somewhere that says Launchpad.login is deprecated
[21:51] <alai> i can test it out also
[21:52] <wgrant> alai: Just replace Launchpad.login_anonymously with Launchpad.login_with. It'll open your browser or give you a URL to authorise.
[21:53] <alai> wgrant, i need to have it in a script and we run a cron job to pull bugs every hour.  Is there a better option for login ?
[21:55] <wgrant> alai: I'd probably just catch the Unauthorized and skip the subscription. https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib#Authenticated_access_for_website_integration describes how to use a manual credentials file, though.
[21:55] <alai> cool yeah i think catching an exception is best here
[21:55] <alai> wgrant, thanks


[14:47] <Guest58933> hi
[14:48] <parlabane> hi
[14:48] <cfhowlett> greetings Guest58933
[14:49] <Guest58933> I was wondering if there is anyone who could advise me with USB 3.0 port not working on Ubuntu Studio 15.10
[18:58] <krymazz> buona sera...
[18:59] <krymazz> c'è online un'italiano?
[19:22] <sirriffsalot> krytarik, no, disculpa
[22:28] <orangefly> does anyone here happen to use a mackie onyx 1640i?
[23:17] <ardya> can program changes be triggered to azr3?