[16:00] <dpm> Hi everyone!
[16:01] <dpm> Welcome to this new Ubuntu Translations meeting
[16:01] <dpm> let's wait a couple of minutes for people to turn up...
[16:03] <kelemengabor> o/
[16:03] <dpm> hey :)
[16:04] <dpm> let's see who's there :)
[16:04] <henninge> me
[16:04] <etali> Hi, that worked to wake me up :)
[16:04] <dpm> cool :)
[16:04] <Destine> dpm, Hi!
[16:04] <dpm> whoah, people is coming in masses now... :)
[16:05] <dpm> I'll have to take note that pinging really works...
[16:05] <Destine> dpm, yes... it works!
[16:05]  * Blue-Omega_ highlights dpm back
[16:05] <dpm> :-)
[16:05] <mcas> o/
[16:06] <TomaszD> g'day
[16:06] <Blue-Omega_> you too
[16:07] <dpm> hey everyone, thanks for coming. Let's get started, shall we?
[16:07] <Destine> dpm ok.
[16:07] <dpm> So here's the agenda for today:
[16:07] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Meetings/2010-04-22
[16:07] <dpm> As I said, I'd like to concentrate on the UDS sessions on translations today. And here's a preliminary list:
[16:08] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/UDS
[16:08] <dpm> I'd just like to hear what you think, and let everyone propose sessions if they'd like to.
[16:08] <dpm> You'll see in the page that there is also a "Final list section".
[16:08] <dpm>  That's just in case we end up with a big list and there is no time to run all sessions
[16:09] <dpm> (or to avoid us really quickly burning out ;)
[16:09] <kelemengabor> how many sessions can we have in total?
[16:09] <dpm> kelemengabor, there is no set limit, we've got enough space, I think
[16:10] <dpm> it's just a matter of having a good set and not exceedingly many
[16:10] <dpm> but there's room for proposing more
[16:11] <kelemengabor> cool, I have a few problems to discuss :)
[16:11] <dpm> I cannot tell you exactly "we've got e.g. 15 slots"
[16:11] <dpm> but I can tell you: "we probably have enough"
[16:11] <dpm> anyway,
[16:11] <dpm> so if the list gets really big, some might go to the "Deferred" section for another UDS or another method of discussion (e.g. on the mailing list, on a meeting, etc.)
[16:12] <dpm> Oh, and btw, I'll obviously be attending, ArneGoetje from the Desktop team will be as well, and henninge from the Launchpad Translations team.
[16:12] <dpm> He'll be the only representative of the Rosetta team this time.
[16:12] <dpm> so don't be too hard on him ;)
[16:12]  * henninge shivers
[16:13]  * dpm hugs henninge :)
[16:13] <dpm> I know some of you are attending as well, but I might not know all. Who else is coming?
[16:13]  * henninge feels better ;)
[16:13] <etali> Are all sessions streamed, or just the "main" ones?  (Not going, but hoping to follow along remotely)
[16:13]  * kelemengabor will be there
[16:13] <dpm> cool :)
[16:14] <dpm> etali, all sessions' voice is streamed, and we've got IRC in all rooms, so it's very easy to participate remotely. In fact...
[16:14] <Destine> dpm, got declined...
[16:14] <dpm> For those not attending but still interested in participating, you can always remotely be there on IRC. Sound for all the sessions is streamed for everyone to listen in, and on every UDS rooom there are projectors showing the IRC conversations for everyone in the room to see.
[16:15] <dpm> Destine, sorry to hear that, but there's always a next UDS, so don't worry
[16:15] <dpm> Jorge Castro is going to run a talk on how to participate remotely in UDS next Friday:
[16:15] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/
[16:15] <henninge> dpm: there is this but I am not sure it will fill a session. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/launchpad-translator-communication
[16:15] <Destine> dpm, sure, I am still working...
[16:15] <etali> dpm, every room?  That's cool.  Thanks.
[16:16] <henninge> dpm: without the "fuzzy" subject, though.
[16:16] <dpm> henninge, yeah, let's start with the sessions. I can start with a quick review of the existing topics, or either ellaborate more on any where you might have questions, or let everyone who's got any proposal to start. I'm flexible, what do you guys prefer?
[16:17] <Destine> +1 for doing the existing ones first.
[16:17] <henninge> yes, of course.
[16:18] <dpm> ok, let's try to do this quickly, then
[16:18] <dpm> = Translations community roundtable =
[16:19] <dpm> the name says it all. roundtable session to discuss anything that doesn't need a full session
[16:19] <dpm> feel free to add any bullet points with topics on the wiki page
[16:19] <dpm> = Launchpad Translations roundtable =
[16:20] <dpm> Another unstructured session. I thought henninge could gave us an update of the latest developments in LP
[16:20] <henninge> dpm: sure, I can do that.
[16:20] <dpm> and we can give him feedback on the usage of LP translations
[16:20] <dpm> cool :)
[16:20] <henninge> also, the topic from the blueprint could simply go in here
[16:20] <dpm> ah, good point
[16:21] <dpm> = Translations Community Advocacy =
[16:21] <dpm> a session to discuss how to promote the Ubuntu translations project
[16:22] <dpm> let it grow and get more contributors for all languages
[16:22] <dpm> = Translations Community Learning Content =
[16:22] <dpm> a session to discuss the creation of documentation and other media (e.g. screencasts, etc.) on how to get started translating Ubuntu
[16:23] <dpm> and basically ease the entry barrier
[16:23] <dpm> screencasts could for example be made and used for all teams
[16:23] <dpm> e.g. replacing the sound track
[16:23] <dpm> = Translations Community Events =
[16:23] <dpm> this is related to the other two
[16:23] <Destine> Translations Community Learning Content. This one sounds interesting.
[16:24] <dpm> :)
[16:24] <dpm> discuss a series of translation events to help translating Ubuntu throughout the cycle
[16:24] <dpm> in addition to the Ubuntu Global Jam, etc
[16:24] <dpm> = Extend the translations reporting site =
[16:25] <dpm> that's about better reporting the translations stats for Ubuntu as a distro
[16:25] <dpm> I started last cycle on that, and I'd like to improve this, perhaps with the use of a LP Translations Reporting API
[16:26] <dpm> btw, it's taken longer this time, but I've calculated the stats for lucid, I'll announce them soon on the ML
[16:26] <dpm> = Translation teams outreach =
[16:27] <dpm> I'd like to contact all translation teams and know more about them and see if they need help in any areas. That's also about communication. Some teams might not know what's going on and that there is a global mailing list and other communication resources
[16:27] <dpm> this might be in the form of a survey to make it easier, but I still don't know
[16:27] <dpm> = Launchpad Translations Reporting API =
[16:28] <dpm> we've got a spec for accessing translation data through launchpadlib
[16:28] <dpm> already, and adiroiban has even started working on it
[16:29] <dpm> https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/Specs/ReportingAPI
[16:29] <dpm> I'd like to discuss how this can be implemented, current status, etc.
[16:29] <dpm> and get other people involved if they want to become the next LP superheroes :)
[16:30] <dpm> = Developer education on localization =
[16:30] <freeflying> dpm: sorry, late
[16:30] <dpm> I'm still not sure if I'll schedule a session for this one
[16:30] <dpm> freeflying, no worries :)
[16:31] <dpm> all the i18n documentation is spread around, and if you add that with the Ubuntu infrastructure, langpacks, etc. it's difficult to understand everything
[16:31] <dpm> so I'd like to have a development resource to collect all that
[16:31] <dpm> This is about expanding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Internationalisation
[16:31] <dpm> = Universe is translatable in Launchpad =
[16:31] <dpm> ah, an interesting one... :)
[16:32] <freeflying> dpm: thats great, we need some attention on i18n from development perspective
[16:32] <dpm> freeflying, yeah, that's been lacking for some time, and I hopefully can dedicate some time to it next cycle
[16:32] <dpm> anyway,
[16:33] <dpm> I'd like to discuss if this would be technically possible. I'm told that from the LP translations side, this wouldn't be much of an issue, but we'd have to see how we'd implement this in language packs, etc
[16:33] <dpm> so I'd simply like to see the options
[16:34] <freeflying> dpm: for i18n, Arne seems will have seesions
[16:34] <dpm> So that was it. Questions on any of these, or would you like to start with proposing ideas
[16:34] <dpm> )
[16:34] <dpm> ?
[16:34] <dpm> freeflying, ArneGoetje, feel free to speak up or to add the sessions to the wiki page
[16:35] <kelemengabor> to me, all of these make sense, so they are worth a bit of time to discuss
[16:35] <dpm> cool, I'm glad to hear that :)
[16:36] <henninge> dpm: same feeling from me
[16:36] <dpm> cool
[16:37] <kelemengabor> especially the developer education... I met in this cycle with the "stop nagging me" attitude from some developers in bugreports, if we could do anything to change that... :)
[16:38] <ivarela> hi to all
[16:38] <dpm> yeah, that's a good point
[16:38] <dpm> bones ivarela, it seems you guys are getting famous :) -> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2022
[16:38] <ivarela> yes, I saw it yesterday (marcos told me)
[16:38] <dpm> awesome
[16:39] <ivarela> thank you very much ;)
[16:39] <kelemengabor> also, I'd like to propose a session about better, say "proactive" bug detection and shortening the average lifespan of bugs
[16:40] <kelemengabor> it's quite annoying to that we do not even try to reduce the number of translation problems to 0
[16:41] <kelemengabor> that is, we often detect bugs only when it's too late
[16:41] <dpm> kelemengabor, that's a good idea, especially because we tend to get a lot shortly before release, and often there is no much time to squash them all
[16:41] <dpm> kelemengabor, do you think you could add it to the wiki page?
[16:42] <dpm> with a short description, or bullet points, etc?
[16:42] <kelemengabor> and there are several cases when nobody listens to the reports, thus they get not fixed for several releases...
[16:43] <kelemengabor> sure
[16:44] <dpm> cool, any other things?
[16:44] <dpm> anyway, so I understand that everyone is happy with the current set and wouldn't like to add more? If so, feel free to speak up here, on the mailing list or just add them to the wiki
[16:45] <kelemengabor> also, there it would be great if we could agree on a langpack update schedule: predicatable translation updates could help scheduling work
[16:46] <kelemengabor> and not only langpacks, but DDTP translations, (k)ubuntu-docs too
[16:47] <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah. I'll add that one. I'd like to review the way we do it now. We can discuss all of those and perhaps sync'ed updates. Even on-demand updates
[16:47] <kelemengabor> this means also extending a bit the definition of "supported release": not only bug fixes, but translation updates too
[16:47] <dpm> We discussed that on the UDS in Barcelona, but I must admit that not much have changed
[16:47] <dpm> so It hink it's a good time to review it
[16:48] <kelemengabor> oh sure, on-demand updates is something I'd also like to see: who knows better than me that I just fixed a "paperbag" bug? :D
[16:49] <dpm> kelemengabor, I feel like giving you work today :P, do you think you could add also the langpack and translation updates on the wiki page?
[16:49] <dpm> the sessions, I mean :)
[16:49] <kelemengabor> I'll try :)
[16:49] <dpm> thanks a lot :)
[16:50] <kelemengabor> I'm not sure if it's worth a session, but I'd like to talk about the possibility of a centralized, all langugage speaking help.ubuntu.com too
[16:52] <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah, that's a good point too. But for that to move forward, we need someone from the docs team to be there too (even remotely). We discussed that on the last UDS, but again (and that's probably my fault for not pushing it more), we didn't see any change there
[16:52] <kelemengabor> it may make sense to let teams to create local websites as they wish, to fit their needs etc, but saying them to duplicate the infrastructure of help.ubuntu.com makes no sense to me: you can simply not build an arbitrary site around that content, so why not have it centralized?
[16:52] <dpm> I'll try to e-mail the docs list today or tomorrow to see whether someone from the docs team can make it. I still think it's worth adding
[16:53] <kelemengabor> okay, I'll add that too :)
[16:54] <dpm> cool, thanks for the feedback as well, that seems to reinstate the comments other translators have had on this
[16:55] <dpm> so, anything else anyone? As I say, this can continue on the mailing list in the next few days
[16:55] <dpm> also, if anyone has got questions on UDS, feel free to ask!
[16:55] <kelemengabor> I guess this was all from me :)
[16:56] <dpm> awesome, thanks a lot kelemengabor
[16:57] <ivarela> is my first time here. And I arrived late (sorry for the delay), so I do not know what issues were discussed. There will be a summary list?
[16:58] <dpm> ivarela, sure, the meeting is logged and I'll post a summary on the mailing list (probably not until tomorrow, though)
[16:58] <kelemengabor> dpm: oh, and one more thing...
[16:58] <dpm> sure, go ahead
[16:59] <kelemengabor> earlier, you asked translators several time on the list to test proposed langpack updates if they are okay
[16:59] <kelemengabor> I don't think that this makes much sense...
[17:00] <kelemengabor> it is hard to detect the differences introduced in the new langpack
[17:00] <kelemengabor> except if you did them yourself and made a note
[17:01] <kelemengabor> can we talk about abolishing this nonsense? :)
[17:01] <kelemengabor> this does not worth a full session though
[17:01] <dpm> yeah, I know, it's just a matter of running the langpack and see if there are any crashes (we've had quite a few in Arabic and Hebrew and plurals). I'm open to talk about anything, and I think this particular item would fit well in the langpacks schedule session you were proposing
[17:02] <dpm> I'd be happy to abolish that as well, but I haven't got any solution at the moment :)
[17:03] <dpm> anyway, we're running late and I'd like to finish the meeting. We can continue discussing this on #ubuntu-translators, though
[17:03] <dpm> So I'd say that was it. Thank you all very much for participating, and now let's go and finish all those remaining translations before the deadline today!
[17:05] <dpm> bye everyone!
[22:56]  * greg-g waves


[01:29] <greg-g> snap-l: my HSA is through my awesome credit union who actually respects its members :)
[01:45] <snap-l> greg-g: Lucky you
[01:45] <greg-g> snap-l: http://www.sffirecu.org/checking-savings/savings/health-savings-accounts
[02:56] <_stink_> Milyardo: do you have the same nick on chatspike?
[05:28] <rick_h_> howdy all from CA
[05:28] <rick_h_> brousch: yep, missed hte web summit
[05:29] <rick_h_> snap-l: not sure, not before I left.  That is all: http://ur1.ca/8leqw
[13:44] <jrwren> snap-l: i really like squeezebox's random album feature.
[13:44] <jrwren> i'm definitely an album listener.
[13:44] <jrwren> so I just click play until an album that is acceptable comes up
[13:45] <snap-l> jrwren: Me too
[13:45] <snap-l> jrwren: Makes me wish every device had that
[13:56] <snap-l> Getting a micro-blizzard here.
[13:58] <jrwren> clear skies here.
[13:59] <jrwren> beautiful clouds are sparse
[14:29] <snap-l> Man, I am sneezing my head off
[14:32] <_stink_> snap-l: NPR just informed me on the way to work that the allergy season is starting early.
[14:32] <_stink_> i immediately thought of how fun that must be for you.
[14:34] <brousch> snap-l: i left a 6"dia ball of dog fur someplace in your house. good luck finding it
[14:35] <snap-l> brousch: har har
[14:36] <snap-l> _stink_: Yeah, most of my other allergies are not as violent as dog
[14:36] <snap-l> but something is in enough concentration to really make it fun
[14:40] <snap-l> Yay, WRCJFM changed their stream after I asked them. They were roadcasting at 22KHz, and now it's at 44.1KHz.
[14:40] <snap-l> Classical doesn't work sped up.
[14:42] <ColonelPanic001> snap-l: \o/
[14:47] <rick_h_> morning all
[14:47] <snap-l> g'morning rick_h_
[14:47] <rick_h_> ugggghhhhh
[14:48] <snap-l> rick_h_: You do realize by having your keyboard shipped, you've doomed it to be in shipping limbo
[14:48] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, what's funny is it was shipped from CA and I don't think far from my hotel
[14:49] <brousch> it will arrive 5 minutes after you check out of the hotel
[14:49] <rick_h_> the wife has it, evidently they told here it'd be $200 to overnight :/
[14:50] <brousch> and you told her "make it so!"
[14:50] <rick_h_> I think the ups store saw her as a sucker
[14:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: How big is it?
[14:53] <snap-l> USPS has a flat-rate Express box that handles 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"
[14:53] <rick_h_> larger than your average keyboard
[14:53] <rick_h_> meh, I'll live without
[14:53] <snap-l> It's $40
[14:53] <snap-l> But yeah, I think it's not worth it
[14:54] <brousch> rick_h_: you drink with guido yet?
[14:54] <rick_h_> but yea, been doing a lot of laptop keyboarding and will be done a TON this week so just worried about my wrists/etc
[14:54] <rick_h_> brousch: heh no, but met up with the ohio crew last night
[14:54] <brousch> nice
[14:54] <snap-l> Your wrists should be fine
[14:55] <brousch> brondsema is there somwhere. i think some others from SF too
[14:55] <rick_h_> yea
[15:23] <snap-l> I swear, sometimes developers really don't understand interface design.
[15:24] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/91718157
[15:24] <snap-l> http://identi.ca/notice/91720110
[15:39] <_stink_> hah
[15:39] <_stink_> obv, just make your UI with no useful icons or context but full it with tooltips.
[15:53] <brousch> rick_h_: are you peeing your pants with excitement today?
[15:53] <brousch> _stink_: that makes an excellent mobile UI
[16:29] <jrwren> nodejs, because python has had asyncore for years.
[16:34] <brousch> nodejs because you like to wear skinny jeans
[17:30] <snap-l> http://www.chrispramas.com/2012/03/09/not-quite-a-talking-head/
[17:41] <greg-g> snap-l: http://evan.status.net/notice/1355551
[17:42] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, unfortunately he's right. :)
[17:42] <greg-g> :)
[17:42] <greg-g> I just remembered seeing that a while ago
[17:43] <snap-l> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/
[17:50] <Blazeix> hah, the GLFPC organizer just sent out an email to the effect of "holy crap, we need a bigger location"
[17:54] <jrwren> my jaw just dropped the first time i saw red squigglies in macvim/gvim http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2441
[18:04] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, could see that one coming. :)
[18:04] <snap-l> jrwren: pyflakes is awesome.
[18:30] <jrwren> snap-l: pyflakesvim!
[18:31] <snap-l> jrwren: I KNOW! :)
[19:33] <rick_h_> brousch: naw, too busy to take a pee break :P
[19:33] <rick_h_> jrwren: what's this nodejs/python async stuff?
[19:33] <brousch> heh
[19:36] <snap-l> I think someone got me something from my Amazon Wishlist.
[19:37] <snap-l> If this was you, thank you. :)
[19:54] <jrwren> nothing, i was teasing the nodejs fans.
[19:54] <jrwren> because python has had asyncore for years and its ZOMG ASYNC NODEJS IS ASYNC! ZOMG WEB SCALE ASYNC!
[21:40] <brousch> d0000ds http://streamti.me/
[21:40] <brousch> pycon streaming
[21:40] <snap-l> Wow, that's awesome.
[21:44] <brousch> i think brondsema will be here at 6:20pm EST http://streamti.me/track-4
[21:45] <brousch> i don't hear anything. do you?
[21:48] <greg-g> two CC employees are helping with the pycon video team :)
[21:49] <brousch> i assumed they just had Same Day Video
[21:49] <brousch> but this streaming could be nice
[21:50] <brousch> ah, the Flash player works well
[22:00] <rick_h_> cool, didn't know they had any streaming
[23:34] <Blazeix> brousch: see this? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui


[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> anyone on IRCC got a list of who determines ops on the ACL for various channels?
[00:09] <TheLordOfTime> I know #ubuntu has its own procedure, but i was curious about the other channels.
[00:11] <k1l> its the ircc for the core channels. the other channels have their own procedure, iirc
[00:11] <k1l> so its the team leaders who decide in most cases
[00:14] <TheLordOfTime> what defines "core" channels?
[00:16] <k1l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/Scope  lists them
[00:19] <TheLordOfTime> so therefore for anything not on that list it's safe to assume it's not a core channel?
[00:20] <hggdh> so, #ubuntu-bugs is not a core channel
[00:20] <TheLordOfTime> i forgot hggdh was in here xD
[00:20] <hggdh> heh
[00:21] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: I guess the best option then is get with bdmurray
[00:21] <TheLordOfTime> i was about to say that
[00:21] <k1l> the ircc helps on other channels to manage the flags etc. but i would say that its just helping for the team.
[00:21] <TheLordOfTime> in -bugs
[00:21] <k1l> but maybe the ircc got more inside information about that case
[00:21] <TheLordOfTime> indeed, i'll sit here and lurk like I normally do
[00:21] <TheLordOfTime> i assume hggdh'll do the same :P:
[00:21] <TheLordOfTime> in the mean time...
[00:21]  * TheLordOfTime has to go get some silver exchanged for cash.
[00:22] <hggdh> so... let's consider the call to IRCC opinion done, and wait for a response
[00:23] <k1l> so if the channel got a team behind or there is a Founder listed i would contact him first.
[00:34] <TheLordOfTime> the channel's founder is listed as IRCC hence my asking here :)
[00:38] <IdleOne> the IRCC has "dominion" over all #ubuntu* channels, so it can name ops for any of the channels in the ubuntu name space. Team channels are free to manage themselves (including selecting ops) but the IRCC can add ops if they chose.
[00:41] <IdleOne> IMHO it is more important to think of it as, the IRCC are there to help out anybody who needs/asks for help managing and maintaining channels within the !guidelines.
[00:53] <hggdh> frankly I thoughtyes, I -- for one -- already used the IRCC to help re-control the -br channel
[00:54] <hggdh> s/frankly I thought//
[00:55] <IdleOne> What is the root question here?
[00:56] <hggdh> IdleOne: who would be the "owner" of #ubuntu-bugs. I was looking at the access list, and I see hobsee and gnomefreak listed as ops, but I have not seen them in quite a while
[00:57] <IdleOne> They are both old ops from the very early days, still sorta semi active.
[00:58] <TheLordOfTime> can you define "semi active"?
[00:58] <IdleOne> the owner from a freenode point of view of all the ubuntu channels are the IRCC
[00:58] <hggdh> I know. And I do remember them :-) It is just that perhaps we (those of us that help manage the channel) might probably extent/ajust the access lsit
[00:58] <TheLordOfTime> that, and we're trying to find who would approve it
[00:59] <TheLordOfTime> (probably bdmurray, they have +f)
[00:59] <IdleOne> TheLordOfTime: They are half active when they are on irc.
[00:59] <TheLordOfTime> (unless IRCC has control of their ACL)
[00:59] <TheLordOfTime> s/their/the/
[00:59] <hggdh> yeah, I will touch bases with bdmurray on Monday
[01:00] <IdleOne> ah, well if that is all you need leave a message in here (already done) and someone can help get you sorted.
[01:00] <hggdh> aye aye :-)
[01:01] <IdleOne> Dismissed!
[01:15]  * hggdh salutes & leaves, before the OIC can come up with a Brand New And Improved Idea
[17:50] <harris> what does being an op entail
[17:52] <harris> what does being an op entail


[00:10] <qwebirc22737> !help Zinn
[00:11] <CaptCC> !help commands
[00:14] <CaptCC> Has anyone used mythbuntu to capture video from Playstation Gameplay?
[00:23] <CaptCC> Just read this : The mythtv channel is where the developers discuss code. It is not a user-support channel. Please don't ask non-development related questions there.  Really. Even if there's no one in the mythtv-users IRC group or everyone seems to be ignoring you.
[00:24] <CaptCC> Ok, thanks for your help
[12:57] <louisdk> hdhomerun-config-gui has been outdated some time now. It would be nice if this was updated for the 14.04 LTS release. Bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hdhomerun-config-gui/+bug/1022774


[06:40] <dashua> macvr: Aye
[06:41] <macvr> dashua: now i forgot what i wnated to ask !
[06:42] <macvr> dashua: btw way new doubt, how do i select inkscape colors from outside the program, like from the desktop?
[06:42] <dashua> Oh wow, it
[06:42] <dashua> 's been a while
[06:43] <dashua> Not an expert with inkscape. I've only dabbled with it
[06:43] <macvr> the color picker seems to work only within the page... :(
[06:43] <macvr> np...
[06:44] <macvr> dashua: i'll ask later when i remember the thought i had yday... :)
[06:45] <dashua> I've run into the same problem.  I don't make icons just themes ;)
[06:45] <dashua> But I will usually use Gimp for that
[06:46] <macvr> thats what i do for ,now... find the color from gimp and copy it to inkscape :P
[06:59] <dashua> Goodnight macvr.  Time for sleep.
[07:00] <macvr> goodnight :)
[09:37] <savvas> anyone here? :P
[09:38] <savvas> does anyone know where I can find the mandriva logo?
[09:38] <savvas> in svg format that is
[09:53] <macvr> savvas: actually i think i'v killed this room :P ... ever since i'v been active things have died down ...  and i dont know about the logo...
[09:54] <savvas> haha ok
[11:00] <SiDi> hi people
[11:54] <zniavre> bonjour SiDi
[11:54] <SiDi> bonjour zniavre :)
[11:55] <SiDi> whats up ?
[11:55] <zniavre> nothing news ..."la routine"
[12:37] <savvas> hm.. is your gimp working after the last updates in jaunty?
[12:43] <thorwil> savvas, i saw some imagemagick updates
[12:43] <thorwil> gimp works fine here, afaics
[12:43] <savvas> ah ignore
[12:44] <savvas> there was an instance open
[12:44] <savvas> I had to: killall -9 -r gimp
[12:44] <savvas> :P
[12:51] <thorwil> there can only be one
[16:31] <knome> macvr, can't agree with that ;)
[16:31] <macvr> knome: ? its alive? :P
[16:32] <knome> macvr, not much, but it maybe never has been really active
[16:32] <knome> so it's just normal
[16:33] <macvr> knome: atleast SiDi used to troll :P ... even he seems to have calmed down
[16:33] <knome> lol
[16:33] <knome> yes, but he was a newbie;)
[16:33] <knome> still had the energy
[16:33] <knome> to try activate the chan i mean ;)
[16:34] <macvr> haha..
[16:34] <knome> he used to troll a lot more in #xubuntu-devel also but he's calmed down there also
[16:34] <knome> or not troll actually
[16:34] <knome> just make noise
[16:34] <zniavre_> :o)
[16:35] <knome> oh sir, you have a huge nose there
[16:35] <macvr> knome: i was kidding about the trolling ... just to lure him back in :P
[16:35] <knome> macvr, i know;)
[16:35] <knome> he gets irritated so easily
[16:35] <macvr>  oh sir, you have a huge nose there??? me?
[16:35] <knome> zniavre_, ;)
[16:36] <SiDi> knome, you wants noize ?
[16:36] <macvr> i was little if the bit i said was already noise!
[16:36] <knome> SiDi, always
[16:36] <macvr> he's back
[16:36] <SiDi> me comez to helsinki then
[16:36] <SiDi> and makez noize!
[16:36] <knome> hehe
[16:38] <SiDi> knome, you've never seen me on #ubuntu-fr
[16:38] <macvr> knome: is mma also away?
[16:38] <knome> SiDi, hah:D
[16:38] <knome> macvr, dunno
[16:40] <macvr> knome: SiDi:  >>> http://imagebin.ca/popup/REVT0J.html  <<< feedback?
[16:40] <knome> macvr, i don
[16:41] <knome> ...'t like drawn smilies
[16:41] <macvr> :( ... only ascii ones?
[16:41] <macvr> knome: but do u see anything wrong?
[16:42] <knome> suppose not.
[16:42] <knome> yes, i only like ascii ones :D
[16:42] <macvr> :)
[16:47] <macvr> knome: do u work with inkscape?
[16:47] <knome> macvr, yes
[16:47] <macvr> how do i change the perspective?
[16:48] <knome> macvr, "the perspective"?
[16:48] <macvr> s
[16:48] <macvr> from the effects menu
[16:49] <knome> don't know
[16:49] <knome> haven't used it
[16:49] <macvr> :(
[16:49] <knome> and i'm on an eeepc now
[16:49] <knome> can't even try
[16:49] <macvr> is inkscape generally slow?
[16:49] <macvr> and heavy on the resources?
[16:49] <SiDi> heavy on GPU indeed
[16:49] <knome> uh, hard to say. if you have lots of things, yes
[16:50] <macvr> it has caused 2 freezes and 1 crash! along with the ext4  they are causing havoc!
[16:50] <knome> lol
[16:51] <macvr> why lol :( ...!
[16:51] <macvr> :P
[16:51] <knome> funnily said
[16:52] <macvr> how do i use imagemaigck?
[16:52] <knome> man imagemagick
[16:52] <macvr> damn!
[16:52] <macvr> i forgot that!
[16:53] <macvr> knome: is it command line or does it have a gui?
[16:53] <macvr> i have it installed but, dont see a menu item
[16:53] <knome> cli
[16:54] <macvr> ok..
[16:54] <knome> inkscape is what you want to use to edit stuff even if it took all our resources ;)
[16:54] <knome> *your
[16:54] <knome> not ours
[16:55] <macvr> ^haha
[16:55] <macvr> knome: i dont like any cli things... i just found it in the packages and was wondering
[16:55] <knome> hah
[16:55] <knome> it can be useful sometimes
[16:57] <macvr> i just hate to enter commands ... :( ... so i hope i dont ever need to use it!
[16:57] <knome> lol
[16:57] <knome> ok
[16:57] <knome> maybe you won't then
[16:57] <macvr> :)
[18:02] <zniavre_> http://www.getdropbox.com/gallery/187396/1/svg?h=a783bc   can i hav critics with this icon test
[18:02] <zniavre_> ?
[18:05] <macvr> zniavre_: i think the one on the right is better... they are different aernt they?
[18:05] <macvr> what icon is it?
[18:06] <savvas> it reminds me of soulseek (?)
[18:07] <macvr> guys>>>> http://imagebin.ca/popup/T8v0EmS7.html   ...   http://imagebin.ca/popup/FQ6a4HM.html  ... which is better? the difference is the mouth stroke..
[18:08] <savvas> I like the last one ;p
[18:10] <macvr>  me too , but was wondering if the fuzziness was a prob...
[18:10] <thorwil> macvr, 2nd. however, make sure stroke width is never below 1px
[18:11] <macvr> thorwil: the stroke is not less than 1px in the big ones , but in the smaller ones its less...
[18:15] <macvr> thorwil: how do i use the perspective from the effects menu?
[18:17] <thorwil> macvr, i virtually never use that, so i have no idea :)
[18:18]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:18] <macvr> i think i'm the only crazy person who is interested in that! noone seems to use it...
[20:23] <zniavre_> macvr,  thank you , yes it's soulseek icon
[20:23] <SiDi> !info xorg
[22:55] <Viper550> hey
[23:27] <Viper550> hey
[23:27] <knome> ?
[23:32] <Viper550> I had been suggesting on -devel a reform for usplash's theme
[23:32] <Viper550> since we're all trying to aim for quick boot-ups, even on slower hardware, I think we should "decrease" the profile of the Usplash theme on Karmic
[23:33] <_MMA_> Viper550: As they are looking to drop it altogether, I doubt they wanna spend *any* time on it.
[23:33] <Viper550> I suggested we just switch to it being a small dark grey Ubuntu logo with a small throbber
[23:34] <knome> doesn't sound so... possible
[23:35] <Viper550> but they still said you'd need a feedback for fsck
[23:36] <_MMA_> Viper550: Then the old-school text can pop up. I just know what I read on the lists.
[23:37] <_MMA_> Some of the latest posts look very promising. Just some issues with initramfs.
[23:37]  * _MMA_ looks for link.
[23:38] <_MMA_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-June/028308.html
[23:46] <Viper550> but on slower computers if possible
[23:47] <_MMA_> Viper550: I would wager, if they attain the 10s time for most modern HW, Usplash will be dropped from the Ubuntu disks totally.
[23:49] <Viper550> But, what about my computer? The 256mb P3 equiv
[23:51] <_MMA_> Viper550: You're S.O.L. in my experience. (if you're serious) I can only speak to what I've learned as a developer of Ubuntu Studio working with upstream Ubuntu.
[23:51] <Viper550> yes my designated linux computer is older, but it still hums nicely
[23:52] <_MMA_> Viper550: It will be up to Xubuntu and the like to cater to you. (if that's their target)
[23:52] <knome> xubuntu will be just able to run on your configuration.
[23:52] <Viper550> It's evolved a bit from its stock config though, it originally had 128MB of RAM and a Nvidia graphics card. I don't think one of the newer versions didn't like my graphics card much - I had to go into recovery mode and set it to use vesa instead of ATI to make it work
[23:59] <Viper550> For a desktop/office/internet system, it ran ... oh great forgot where I put the disc


[21:32] <sabotage> anyone know a recommended replacement for mtview in Quantal?
[21:33] <sabotage> or any other tools that report/visualize the number of supported points on mutli-touch screens?
[21:56] <bregma> sabotage, there's a number of tools that report the touches, I'm not sure if there are any visualization tools any more
[22:01] <bregma> you could try installing the frame-tools package and run frame-test-x11 and see if it's what you're looking for
[22:18] <sabotage> bregma: well, it may have to do for now, thanks
[22:18] <sabotage> I see it at least reports the "Number of Touches: <n>"
[22:19] <sabotage> seems to me that I had some app like mtview on a different device running 12.10 (upgraded at each release since 10.04 iirc)
[22:20] <sabotage> that tool would open a window and show visual feedback of the touch points with colored circles, the darkest one being the primary touch point input
[22:21] <sabotage> anyway, seems mtview was deleted from the Quantal repos and I can't find any similar alternative
[22:22] <sabotage> I even devoted a few minutes to building mtview from src, but alas, the utouch-evemu libs do not appear to be available in Quantal either
[22:23] <sabotage> and I've got better things to do with my time than descend into dependency "hell"
[22:27] <bregma> mtview worked by reading MT events from the kernel and displaying them
[22:28] <bregma> that's not really valid, expecially if you;re using the MT extension to X
[22:28] <bregma> unfortunately, as far as I recall, the visualizer was never replaced
[22:29] <bregma> although I definitely recall seeing some visualization tools, but I can't find them now, so they mau have been one-offs
[22:33] <sabotage> well, thanks for the reply anyway... that frame-test-x11 at least has a nice concise and easily regex'd output for what I need right now
[22:33] <sabotage> just not as pretty :/
[23:51] <sabotage> bregma: fwiw, I fumbled my way through the PyMT instructions and finally have a /visual/ way of seeing how many inputs are being recognized
[23:51] <sabotage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/PyMT
[23:52] <sabotage> missing from that wiki is the info that you must run as root in order to use the "probesysfs" input provider type