[05:55] <mup> PR snapd#9707 opened: update-pot: fix typo in plural keyword spec <Simple 😃> <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9707>
[06:54] <mborzecki> morning
[07:10] <mup> PR snapd#9706 closed: tests: fix uc20-create-parition-* tests for updated gadget <⚠ Critical> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9706>
[07:22] <zyga> good morning
[07:23] <zyga> final day of cycle scheduling for me, after that I will have time for pushing snapd forward
[07:40] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[07:44] <zyga> hey :)
[07:44] <zyga> feeling better?
[07:46] <mborzecki> zyga: yeah, much better but still a bit weak
[08:02] <pstolowski> morning
[08:03] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mborzecki
[08:04] <mborzecki> pstolowski: mvo: hey
[08:04] <pstolowski> mborzecki: how are you? feeling better?
[08:05] <mborzecki> pedronis: yes, feeling better now
[08:12] <mvo> mborzecki: great to hear! take it slowely if you still feel weak
[08:15] <mborzecki> heh i replaced some not MATCH with NOMATCH but it looks like as if it's just spawninng subshells in a loop
[08:16] <zyga> mborzecki, oh
[08:16] <zyga> maybe a bug in the wrapper somewhere
[08:16] <zyga> NOTMATCH was added to the redirect system relatively recently
[08:16] <mborzecki> + NOMATCH /run/mnt/ubuntu-seed
[08:16] <mborzecki> + mount
[08:16] <mborzecki> /bin/bash: warning: shell level (1000) too high, resetting to 1
[08:32] <mborzecki> zyga: nvm, my fork of spread was not rebased on top of latest master, that's why NOMATCH was not define as a function in spread
[08:36] <mup> PR snapd#9708 opened: tests/main/uc20-create-partitions: verify ubuntu-save encryption keys, tweak not MATCH <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9708>
[08:36] <mborzecki> mvo: ^^
[08:40] <mvo> mborzecki: thanks, looking
[08:42] <mvo> mborzecki: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9708/commits/e4dd82d0211a81f7f1625abd93174a2feac8ac3b <- description and content do not quite match is thta the right comit?
[08:42] <mup> PR #9708: tests/main/uc20-create-partitions: verify ubuntu-save encryption keys, tweak not MATCH <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9708>
[08:43] <mvo> mborzecki: I guess it is, I was just confused
[08:43] <mborzecki> mvo: hm the upper hunk is a drive by tweak, i can split it in 2 patches if that's better
[08:43] <mvo> mborzecki: no, it's fine, I was just confused by not expecting this
[08:47] <mborzecki> some unexpected failures after mergeing master:
[08:47] <mborzecki> google:ubuntu-20.04-64:tests/main/lxd:snapd_cgroup_just_outside
[08:47] <mborzecki> google:ubuntu-20.10-64:tests/main/snapd-reexec-snapd-snap (package was updated in the distro?)
[08:47] <mborzecki> google:ubuntu-20.10-64:tests/main/snapd-reexec-snapd-snap (this seems to be quite random)
[08:59] <zyga> mborzecki, ahh, good
[08:59] <zyga> (about nomatch)
[09:39] <mborzecki> mvo: i've udpated #9686, please take a look
[09:39] <mup> PR #9686: tests: remove workarounds that add "ubuntu-save" if missing <Run nested> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9686>
[09:45] <mvo> mborzecki: looking
[09:56] <mup> PR snapd#9526 closed: snapshotstate: add cleanup of abandonded snapshot imports <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9526>
[10:31] <sil2100> Hey guys! So I just went and confirmed if current ubuntu-image properly calculates the image size - and I think it does
[10:31] <sil2100> So I have https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/393247 prepared to drop the --image-size workaround for UC20 images
[10:32] <sil2100> But just in case, could someone here do a quick test: build an UC20 image with ubuntu-image 1.10 (current) and see if the images boot and work correctly, as expected, with the auto-calcualted size?
[10:32] <sil2100> (i.e. without specifying --image-size for amd64)
[10:33] <sil2100> The image sizes per the generated files seem correct, but I'd prefer a live test to see if everything still works
[10:34] <sil2100> This is fixed since a long time, but so far our UC20 cdimage image builds still had the --image-size=8G set, and I'd just want a double-confirmation that we can really safely drop that
[10:36] <mup> PR snapd#9709 opened: snapshotstate: improve handling of multiple errors <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9709>
[10:36] <mvo> pedronis: your intuition about the error formating was spot-on, the test I wrote forced me to do some refactoring. sorry that it's a bit more complicated now :/
[10:43] <mvo> sil2100: sure, let me try
[10:44] <sil2100> mvo: thank you!
[10:46] <mup> PR snapd#9675 closed: bootloader/lkenv: add v2 struct + support using it <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9675>
[10:50] <pedronis> mvo: ok, I added it to my queue, should we chat about fde hook running?
[10:50] <mvo> pedronis: yeah
[10:51] <mvo> pedronis: is now good?
[10:52] <mvo> sil2100: seems to be fine. image is 3g in size and /writable has 540 mb free
[10:54] <pedronis> mvo: now is ok if it's not too long
[10:54] <mborzecki> mvo: can you squash merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9694/ ? looks like the uc20 nested test failed on uc20-create-partitions which is fixed in master, and another spread run does not make sense
[10:54] <mup> PR #9694: o/devicestate,daemon: fix reboot system action to not require a system label <Bug> <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Squash-merge> <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9694>
[10:59] <sil2100> mvo: sweet! Thanks a bunch!
[10:59] <mvo> sil2100: yw, thanks for promoting snapcraft btw
[10:59] <sil2100> mvo: yw, sorry I only did it so late, yesterday was weird
[11:08] <pedronis> there are unit test failures in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9695
[11:08] <mup> PR #9695: bootloader/lk: add support for UC20 lk bootloader with V2 lkenv structs <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9695>
[11:13] <mvo> sil2100: no worries
[11:16] <mup> PR snapd#9710 opened: seed/seedwriter: consider modes when checking for deps availability <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9710>
[11:26] <mup> PR snapd#9691 closed: spread: bump delta ref, tweak repacking to make smaller delta archives <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9691>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapd#9711 opened: tests: reset fakestore unit status <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9711>
[12:38] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can you take a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9687 ?
[12:38] <mup> PR #9687: osutil: add helper for getting the kernel command line <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9687>
[12:38] <pstolowski> sure
[12:40] <mborzecki> pstolowski: thanks
[12:50] <pstolowski> mborzecki: if you have a moment, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9609 needs 2nd review
[12:50] <mup> PR #9609: tests: add unit test for auto-refresh with validate-snap failure <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9609>
[12:50] <mborzecki> pstolowski: sure
[12:50] <mborzecki> pstolowski: heh, i did the change ian proposed on wednesday, but apaprently did not push the branch :/
[13:10] <pedronis> mvo: I commented on https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9709, I'm not quite conviced about its current form if the intention is to share it
[13:10] <mup> PR #9709: snapshotstate: improve handling of multiple errors <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9709>
[13:52] <mup> PR snapd#9688 closed: boot: add kernel command lines to the modeenv file <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9688>
[13:52] <mup> PR snapd#9708 closed: tests/main/uc20-create-partitions: verify ubuntu-save encryption keys, tweak not MATCH <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9708>
[14:27] <mup> PR snapd#9687 closed: osutil: add helper for getting the kernel command line <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9687>
[14:41] <pstolowski> #9590 needs second review
[14:41] <mup> PR #9590: tests: download timeout spread test <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9590>
[15:17] <mup> PR snapd#9712 opened: cmd/snap-repair,store: increase initial retry time intervals, stalling TODOs <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9712>
[15:21] <pedronis> pstolowski: ^ what I discussed in the standup, there are also some todos that we might have to consider when we are bit more sure of the work we did for downloads
[15:22] <pstolowski> pedronis: thanks, will take a look
[15:27]  * cachio lunch
[15:37] <mup> PR snapd#9713 opened: tests: sign new nested-18|20* models to allow for generic serials <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9713>
[16:08] <mup> PR snapd#9609 closed: tests: add unit test for auto-refresh with validate-snap failure <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9609>
[16:43] <mup> PR snapd#9714 opened: client: reduce again the /v2/system-info timeout <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9714>
[16:55] <mvo> pedronis: I pushed a draft of the EphemeralRunHook with the context, let me know if I captured what you had in mind. it will need more tests but mostly wondering if the shape is allright. but no rush of course!
[16:58] <mup> PR snapd#9715 opened: hookstate: add new HookManager.EphemeralRunHook() <Needs Samuele review> <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9715>
[18:48] <mup> PR snapd#9716 opened: daemon: split interfacesCmd to api_interfaces.go <Cleanup :broom:> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9716>
[18:58] <mup> PR snapd#9686 closed: tests: remove workarounds that add "ubuntu-save" if missing <Run nested> <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9686>
[19:06] <mvo> waveform: hey, help with https://github.com/snapcore/pi-gadget/issues/60 would be great (no rush but I'm not sure if you monitor GH issues)
[19:13] <mvo> pedronis: thanks so much for your initial thoughts on 9715!
[20:49]  * cachio afk
[20:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#3389 opened: plugins v1: move build base test in v1 plugins to base class <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3389>


[12:18] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: Fix https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/6429 (Links to consumed tokens generate 404 errors). r=jamesh (r3478: Guilherme Salgado)
[12:40] <kiko> matsubara, DUPEME: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/39293
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39293 in rosetta "No way to search for specific translated item" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:41] <matsubara> kiko: duped that one today in the morning.
[12:41] <kiko> rock and roll
[12:43] <kiko> don't you wish all our launchpad error reports were like the one on easter sunday? :)
[12:48] <sabdfl> kiko!
[12:48] <kiko> sabdfl, sabdfl, sabdfl!
[12:48] <sabdfl> happy easter, bunny
[12:49] <kiko> I refuse to be a bunny!
[12:49] <lifeless> kiko: dude, stop bouncing then :)
[12:49] <kiko> ai ai
[12:49] <sabdfl> mdz and i just toured the DC with james
[12:50] <kiko> isn't it lovely?
[12:50] <sabdfl> great work he and Znarl have been up to
[12:50] <kiko> yeah, they are busy bodies
[12:50] <kiko> okay, let me move out of the airport into the house
[12:51] <sabdfl> kiko: did stub decide if he was going to power ahead with zope3.2 tomorrow, in production?
[12:51] <lifeless> sabdfl: for your stuff I think he was going to cherry pick it
[12:52] <sabdfl> not likely
[12:52] <sabdfl> pretty big patch landed there, with lots of rf merges along the way
[12:52] <kiko> mmmm not sure
[12:52] <lifeless> oh? touches too much ?
[12:54] <sabdfl> mpt_ did a great job on the menu
[12:54] <sabdfl> looks much better
[12:54] <sabdfl> need to put proper links there though
[12:56] <erdalronahi> Hi all, hi doko
[12:56] <erdalronahi> I just tried to export some po-templates of OpenOffice2 in Breezy,
[12:56] <erdalronahi> but Rosetta "encountered" problems.
[12:57] <sabdfl> night all
[12:57] <erdalronahi> Unfortunately these templates are vital for us, since we (the Kurdish team) produce our GSI for upstream from them,
[12:58] <erdalronahi> and the deadline for OOo 2.0.3 is in two days.
[12:58] <erdalronahi> Can anybody help with that? Maybe doko?
[01:04] <radix> Hi!
[01:05] <radix> I'm having trouble creating a branch for a team for a product, or something
[01:05] <lifeless> yup
[01:05] <lifeless> just waiting for ddaa to resume
[01:05] <radix> Branch URL is required (I've had other problems with this before), but lifeless is telling me I should be able to create a branch without specifying it
[01:06] <radix> ok
[01:06] <lifeless> historically we had that form set so you could create it with NULL
[01:07] <lifeless> which creates a team branch.
[01:08] <lifeless> ddaa: hi
[01:08] <ddaa> just for a moment ;)
[01:08] <lifeless> 09:04 < radix> Hi!
[01:08] <lifeless> 09:05 < radix> I'm having trouble creating a branch for a team for a product, or something
[01:08] <lifeless> 09:05 < radix> Branch URL is required (I've had other problems with this before), but lifeless is telling me I should be able to create a branch without specifying it
[01:09] <ddaa> Well, no, you should not.
[01:09] <lifeless> ddaa: I knew you'd know this
[01:09] <lifeless> ddaa: how do we do hosted branches now ?
[01:09] <ddaa> just push to sftp
[01:09] <radix> aha
[01:09] <radix> so, what's the format for pushing to a team SFTP URL, then?
[01:09] <lifeless> ddaa: oh. Can we -please- get a web ui for it back.
[01:09] <lifeless> ddaa: discoverability!
[01:09] <lifeless> radix: I'll show you in a sec
[01:10] <ddaa> sftp://bazaar.launcphad.net/~team/product/branch
[01:10] <radix> cool
[01:10] <ddaa> assuming you are a member of team
[01:10] <radix> yeah, I should be now
[01:10] <radix> hrm
[01:10] <ddaa> lifeless: I think I have work in the pipe that includes some text which explains that hosted branches are created by pushing.
[01:10] <radix> can a team create a branch for any product? cause I don't think I've done any explicit association between my team and my product yet
[01:11] <lifeless> ddaa: it forces people to use an awkward workflow.
[01:11] <lifeless> #1 go to the web
[01:11] <lifeless> #2 go to bzr, init, push
[01:11] <radix> oh right, --create-prefix.
[01:11] <lifeless> #3 back to the web to set the rest of the metadata
[01:11] <radix> ddaa: awesome
[01:11] <radix> ddaa: I'd be happy to review ;-)
[01:12] <ddaa> lifeless: the #1 is one-off, it's not part of the workflow
[01:12] <ddaa> and it's much less error-prone
[01:12] <ddaa> since once the branch has been set with a NULL url, you cannot edit it.
[01:12] <lifeless> ddaa: well, thats a different issue.
[01:12] <ddaa> are we talking about UI?
[01:12] <lifeless> ddaa: I think you should be able to unhost a branch - not delete, just move it to a new home.
[01:13] <lifeless> ddaa: and if you can do that, the branch url starting NULL is not a problem.
[01:13] <ddaa> yes, but it's not trivial, and IMO it's not worth the trouble right now
[01:13] <lifeless> that said, I think there should be a toggle for having a NULL branch - rather than just enter nothing, have a group, with a tick box for 'hosted' and a text field for 'mirrored'
[01:14] <ddaa> I thought about that at first, but writing a custom widget was too much trouble at the time
[01:14] <ddaa> lifeless: I think your point has merit, so please file bugs if you do not want to to be forgotten
[01:15] <ddaa> But the current UI is the best compromise I (in concertation with spiv, salgado, etc.) could come up with given the current constraints.
[01:16] <ddaa> for example, switching branches to/from hosted would require expensive, launchpad-driven, operations on the branch warehouse.
[01:17] <lifeless> nup
[01:17] <lifeless> it doesn't
[01:17] <ddaa> I knew you would disagree :)
[01:17] <lifeless> it *could*
[01:18] <cprov> good night, guys
[01:20] <ddaa> cprov: good night
[01:20] <ddaa> lifeless: at the very least, it would require implementing a garbage collector for the sftp area.
[01:20] <ddaa> could be a simple cron script
[01:20] <ddaa> hey mpt_
[01:20] <radix> mpt_: "damnitwhyamIupsoearlybuggrit"?
[01:20] <mpt_> comportment (k?m-p?rt'm?nt, -p?rt'-) n. Bearing; deportment.
[01:21] <mpt_> but I'm guessing it means something wildly different in French
[01:21] <ddaa> in french it means "behaviour" or "attitude"
[01:21] <mpt_> bug 39312 seems to be using it synonymously with "problem"
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39312 in konqueror "BAD tab comportements in Launchpad (and others)" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39312
[01:22] <mpt_> Seveas, that's a slight bug in Ubugtu
[01:22] <ddaa> lifeless: essentially I agree with you on the desired functionality.
[01:23] <Seveas> mpt_, it currently sorts on severity first and status second
[01:23] <Seveas> I'm planning to make it a bit more intelligent
[01:23] <ddaa> lifeless: what I'm arguing is that the present UI is a reasonable way to present the _existing_ functionality.
[01:24] <ddaa> I'll be happy to discuss it when I come back from vacation, thursday.
[01:29] <lifeless> ddaa: thanks
[01:32] <mpt_> Seveas, cool
[01:37] <Seveas> turned out not to be a lack of intelligence but a bug, fixed
[01:37] <Seveas> it still is somewhat unintelligent, but I'm not too much in a hurry to fix it
[04:34] <stub> Do we have a magic method to flush the SQLObject cache in tests that need to do so?
[04:35] <stub> nm... found it
[05:13] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Person.is_valid_person should be false for teams (Bug 39241) (r3479: Stuart Bishop)
[05:49] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Add explicit 'return None' to assignKarma (r3480: Stuart Bishop)
[06:51] <doko> erdalronahi: I currently can't do anything about the rosetta export problem, waiting we'll have to wait until the removal of the wrong message strings is finished. carlos and stub are working on it
[07:39] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!
[08:46] <carlos> morning
[09:00] <SteveA> morning
[09:09] <stub> yo
[09:11] <carlos> stub: hi, sorry for not answering your email, I got the branch review and did all fixes I was asked for, but I'm getting weird test errors (looks like a bad conflict resolution with sample data) and my girlfriend was not happy with the idea of me working on holidays...
[09:12] <carlos> stub: I'm fixing the problem now and will ping you to execute it on production (after testing it on staging again)
[09:12] <stub> ok. So the only holdup is sample data? That shouldn't affect me running it for OOo
[09:13] <carlos> stub: that's what I think, but I want to be 100% sure
[09:13] <carlos> that script destroys data
[09:13] <stub> ok.
[09:14] <stub> Email me when you are done - hopefully I can run it tomorrow morning my time.
[09:14] <SteveA> mpt_: ping
[09:17] <SteveA> stub: voice call in a bit?
[09:18] <stub> SteveA: Sure.
[09:19] <carlos> stub: ok, thanks
[09:20] <stub> carlos: Or tonight if it doesn't take 7 hours to run on staging this time ;)
[09:20] <carlos> stub: well, I'm not sure it will be faster, but I'm not going to remove all templates we need to remove on production, I will test it only with a couple of POTemplates
[09:21] <carlos> if it works there, it should work for 10-13
[10:04] <erdalronahi> doko: good morning
[10:05] <doko> erdalronahi: good morning
[10:08] <mpt_> SteveA, pong
[10:08] <erdalronahi> doko: Maybe you have read my mail, we had serious problems with your script
[10:10] <doko> erdalronahi: I didn't claim it would be perfect, didn't see the failures you experience
[10:11] <erdalronahi> :) I'm sure you didn't
[10:11] <erdalronahi> Unfortunately I did. Now we are stuck up a bit,
[10:12] <erdalronahi> because the deadline of OOo 2.0.3 is tomorrow and I can't
[10:12] <erdalronahi> produce a GSI, let alone an up-to-date GSI
[10:13] <erdalronahi> I could not figure out what the script is supposed to do, else I would have done it "by hand" myself
[10:15] <doko> you can find the updated GSI here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/GSI_ku_20060418.sdf
[10:17] <erdalronahi> doko: I am very grateful
[10:17] <doko> we currently cannot import the 2.0.3 templates into rosetta (not before dapper release), when the first OOo 2.0.3 is uploaded. but maybe carlos knows that better
[10:19] <carlos> doko: right, Ubuntu should not have .pot files that doesn't match what we have in Ubuntu
[10:20] <carlos> doko: I guess we don't have 2.0.3 in dapper, right?
[10:21] <erdalronahi> doko: the last time the GSI was 12,1 megabyte, now it is 4,4
[10:21] <erdalronahi> there seem to be some things missing
[10:21] <erdalronahi> it's not the en-US originals that are missing
[10:22] <doko> I check, that about 7800 translations in the po files are present in the GSI as well
[10:23] <doko> s /check/checked/
[10:24] <doko> carlos: right, but I'm talking about GSI files ;-P it should be safe to import these once the project is in string freeze
[10:24] <carlos> doko: Import the GSI files?
[10:24] <carlos> doko: we don't have a way to import them, It's a completely new feature we need to implement
[10:26] <carlos> doko: about your mail to upload a new OO file, we will execute it later today. I think you will be able to do the upload tomorrow morning (your morning)
[10:29] <erdalronahi> doko: 7800 may be correct, but why was the GSI so much bigger last time?
[10:29] <erdalronahi> And not only yours, the one Rail Aliev from OOo produced was even bigger, 14,4 MB
[10:31] <doko> it has only the en-US strings, for which you have translated strings
[10:31] <erdalronahi> ok, that's a sound explanation
[10:32] <erdalronahi> but it means you have used a different script now?
[10:34] <doko> no, apparently po2oo wants to have the template files saved with an .oo extension
[10:37] <erdalronahi> that is a good explanation why I got those "no template present" errors
[10:44] <SteveA> mpt_: skype call?
[10:48] <erdalronahi> doko: the translate-toolkit in Dapper (0.8rel) is newer than 0.8rc6? Does "rel" stand for release?
[10:50] <doko> erdalronahi: yes
[10:51] <erdalronahi> doko: so to use your script I have to rename all "pot" to "oo"?
[10:52] <mpt_> SteveA, sure
[10:53] <doko> erdalronahi: no, the sdf files
[10:54] <erdalronahi> well, I didn't come that fare, before I get there, the directory with the script and all subdirs are wiped out completely
[10:54] <erdalronahi> I reproduced that on two different computers
[11:16] <carlos> stub: hi, do you have 5 minutes to help me with a test that is failing with the new testing infrastructure? (it was working before)
[11:22] <SteveA> BjornT: voice call later (phone perhaps) ?
[11:25] <BjornT> SteveA: sure, either phone or skype.
[11:26] <stub> carlos: sure
[11:27] <stub> carlos: I probably need to see the test output and the setup and teardown methods being used.
[11:29] <carlos> stub: this is the test: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filePN146I.html
[11:29] <carlos> stub: I think the problem is that I'm doing the SetUp and TearDown twice
[11:30] <carlos> stub: the problem is that the second SetUp is not restoring the database, and the test after "Or even a concrete language."
[11:30] <stub> I need the test output
[11:30] <carlos> is getting the database modifications done before
[11:30] <carlos> ok, let me run it again...
[11:31] <stub> Don't worry - I think I know what is going wrong
[11:31] <carlos> stub: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file86S8sg.html
[11:34] <carlos> stub: what should I fix?
[11:34] <stub> from canonical.ftests.pgsql import PgTestSetup
[11:34] <stub> PgTestSetup._reset_db = True
[11:35] <stub> What is happening is that database changes are not being noticed, as they are being made by a subprocess, so the database is not being reset.
[11:35] <carlos> oh
[11:35] <stub> carlos: Put those lines before the tearDown
[11:36] <carlos> Ok
[11:36] <carlos> thanks
[11:36] <stub> I think I have worked out how to fix this ad hope to sort this when improving the test fixtures.
[11:37] <carlos> ok, thanks
[11:40] <carlos> stub: in fact... it was breaking the next test
[11:41] <carlos> I guess we should add it always before the tearDown if we test a script, even if we execute the setUp and tearDown just once, right?
[12:14] <stub> So what happens when I push a --lightweight checkout to rocketfuel?
[12:14] <stub> c/rocketfuel/chinstrap
[12:19] <BjornT> stub: don't know, i would suggest pushing the whole repo instead
[12:20] <stub> So commits to the lightweight branch are actually committed to the repo, and then you push the repo as a whole. I see.
[12:20] <BjornT> yeah
[12:36] <lifeless> stub: right
[12:39] <sabdf1> stub: are you planning a rollout today?
[12:40] <sabdf1> i'm keen to send off a note w.r.t. dapper+1 specs that depends on the rollout
[12:40] <stub> sabdf1: Yes. Just deciding on what revision. Thinking about r3473
[12:41] <carlos> jamesh: hi, around?
[12:41] <jamesh> carlos: yeah
[12:42] <carlos> jamesh: Seems like I did a small mistake this weekend and merged from rocketfuel in the middle of fixing a branch you reviewed
[12:42] <carlos> jamesh: I was planning to send you a diff with the changes I did after the review
[12:43] <carlos> but I don't see a way to do it... Do you mind if I send you a diff against rocketfuel?
[12:43] <jamesh> carlos: that's fine.  Alternatively if you've pushed to chinstrap I should be able to see that diff on the pending reviews page
[12:44] <carlos> jamesh: you have there partial changes, I just did the final ones and I guess it would take some time to get the pending reviews page updated, but whatever you prefer
[12:44] <jamesh> carlos: in that case, send me the diff
[12:45] <carlos> ok
[12:51] <sabdf1> stub: does that include mpt's nice menu improvement, and my milestone landing?
[12:56] <stub> sabdfl: That would be r3473 and r3474. They can go in too if you are confident they are solid.
[12:56] <stub> Most developers will not have tested it though as yesterday was a holiday for most
[12:57] <sabdf1> stub: yes, they are solid
[12:57] <stub> (But then again, same goes for the Sunday code I was considering...)
[12:57] <stub> ok.
[12:57] <sabdf1> ok, thanks!
[12:57] <sabdf1> pls ping me when it's out so i can send that mail
[01:10] <carlos> stub, anyone else: Is there any problem if I turn off staging for 10 - 15 minutes to merge one of my branches and test a script there?
[01:10] <stub> No problem here
[01:23] <SteveA> Seveas: around?
[01:24] <Seveas> yes
[01:31] <lifeless> BjornT: could you do me a favour ?
[01:32] <BjornT> lifeless: maybe :) what do you want me to do?
[01:32] <lifeless> allocate the current pending reviews to folk
[01:33] <BjornT> sure
[01:33] <lifeless> thanks - I owe you one
[01:33] <lifeless> tchau eveyone
[01:38] <carlos> hmm, seems like staging will take a bit more to be back
[01:38] <carlos> the bzr merge says that it would take 45 minutes....
[01:39] <stub> BjornT: My branch in unassigned is a fix for the topcrasher and small
[01:41] <BjornT> stub: ok, i can review it today then if you send me a diff. it shows up as already merged, though, can you check out why?
[01:42] <lifeless> BjornT: you haven't pushed it ;0
[01:44] <stub> My bad
[01:45] <cprov> morning, hackers
[01:45] <mpt> hi cprov, there's an urgent bug for you
[01:46] <cprov> mpt: tell me which one
[01:47] <mpt> "Can I please have a fix for this available somewhere on drescher by the end of Tuesday? We *need* to have this fixed for beta." -- bug 37156
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37156 in qprocd "can't change sections or priorities with change-override.py" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37156
[01:48] <cprov> mpt: I've sorted this with Kamion yesterday, landed a workarrounded script in drescher for him, I'm reimplementing new version right now
[01:49] <cprov> mpt: my fault, must update the bug info :(
[01:51] <mpt> ok, no worries, just saw it hanging there :-)
[01:52] <carlos> lifeless: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/filewRqTXf.html
[01:52] <carlos> lifeless: any idea about that one?
[01:52] <lifeless> carlos: looks like a corrupt branch
[01:52] <lifeless> are you using a shared repository ?
[01:52] <carlos> not yet
[01:53] <cprov> mpt: bug info up to date, thank you for the heads up
[01:54] <carlos> lifeless: what could I do to fix it (and help you to debug the problem that caused it)?
[01:55] <lifeless> carlos: report it on #bzr
[01:55] <lifeless> carlos: file a bug
[01:56] <lifeless> what it indicates is that a revision referenced in that branch is not in the storage for the branch.
[01:56] <carlos> lifeless: and is there a fast solution to be able to merge that on staging?
[01:57] <lifeless> carlos: your branch is corrupt
[01:57] <lifeless> carlos: you need to fix that, which probably involves remirroring it
[01:57] <carlos> I guess I would need to get a diff and create a new one...
[01:57] <carlos> oh, so it's a problem with the mirror?
[01:57] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  expose destroySelf() through the IRevisionNumber interface (r3481: James Henstridge)
[01:57] <carlos> I mean, it would be a problem with the mirror?
[01:58] <lifeless> its a problem with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:58] <lifeless> probably
[01:58] <carlos> lifeless: I had a network problem pushing that branch, but I thought that a new push would fix anything broken ...
[01:59] <lifeless> carlos: how do you push? rsync or sftp ?
[01:59] <carlos> rsync
[01:59] <lifeless> it should yes
[02:01] <carlos> is there any way to test my local branch to know if it's a problem with my branch instead of the mirror?
[02:02] <lifeless> bzr check
[02:17] <carlos> lifeless: it ends killed
[02:18] <carlos> that smells like somethig is wrong with my branch :-(
[02:20] <lifeless> probably out of memory
[02:20] <lifeless> weave check can do that I hear
[02:21] <lifeless> its late here and I'm really beat
[02:21] <lifeless> can you please seek help on #bzr?
[02:22] <lifeless> night all
[02:29] <carlos> sure
[02:29] <carlos> lifeless: thanks
[02:29] <carlos> lifeless: and night
[02:47] <stub> Kinnison, cprov: I'm disabling the ftpmaster stuff on drescher in preparation for an update.
[02:47] <cprov> stub: okay
[02:47] <stub> cprov: Do you want the code updated too? Or should we keep running the existing code
[02:47] <cprov> stub: we need code update
[02:52] <stub> Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for a regular code update. Estimated downtime is 10 minutes. Wikis will be in read only mode during this period.
[03:20] <stub> Kinnison, cprov: Soyuz stuff should all be online again
[03:20] <cprov> stub: thank you
[03:34] <jamesh> cprov: are you still involved with the CoC code?
[03:34] <cprov> jamesh: UI code, when I have time
[03:34] <cprov> jamesh: I've seen bug 39547
[03:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39547 in launchpad "Code of Conduct 1.0.1 signatures not accepted" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39547
[03:35] <cprov> jamesh: not sure if I'll have time for it today
[03:35] <jamesh> It looks like changing CodeOfConductConf.currentrelease to '1.0.1' would make 1.0.1 signatures work (and stop 1.0 signatures from being accepted)
[03:36] <cprov> jamesh: yes
[03:37] <jamesh> but it seems a bit weird that https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0.1/+sign expects a signed 1.0 CoC
[03:37] <cprov> jamesh: I wonder if we can make this system better, maybe replace this code by a config section
[03:37] <jamesh> and after updating current version to 1.0.1, https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct/1.0/+sign would expect a 1.0.1 signature
[03:38] <cprov> jamesh: yes, it's wrong, old CoC version should not traverse to +sign
[03:39] <cprov> jamesh: what do you think ?
[03:40] <jamesh> cprov: ideally the 1.0 CoC should point people at the 1.0.1 CoC for signing
[03:41] <jamesh> cprov: if we only have a single CoC, I'd expect to have https://launchpad/codeofconduct/+sign (no version number)
[03:42] <jamesh> or if we have multiple CoC series, https://launchpad/codeofconduct/$cocseries/+sign
[03:42] <elmo> stuuuuuuuuuuuub
[03:42] <cprov> jamesh: makes sense, "Sign the current version", maybe "Read the old versions"
[03:42] <stub> elmoooo!
[03:42] <jamesh> cprov: to top it off, mpt would like to see this stuff under /people/$user/...
[03:43] <jamesh> (at least the signing UI)
[03:43] <elmo> stub: never mind
[03:43] <mpt> your signatures in /people/you/+signatures, and the Ubuntu CoC in /distros/ubuntu/+coc/1.0.1
[03:44] <cprov> jamesh: feasible, summarizing CoC system needs some hours of love
[03:44] <cprov> mpt: so you mean CoC you be oriented by distribution ?
[03:45] <mpt> cprov, or product or project
[03:46] <cprov> mpt: uhm, that's a nice decision, we missed it from the original implementation
[03:46] <zul> ./whois kiko
[03:46] <zul> oops...
[03:46] <mpt> cprov, either that, or we say "right, CoC's an Ubuntu-only thing", and put it at conduct.ubuntu.com similar to ShipIt
[03:47] <cprov> mpt: the last should make people less scared for now
[03:48] <cprov> mpt: not sure if project/product admins will fill comfortable to manage CoC things at all (yet)
[03:49] <jamesh> mpt/cprov: it is something that needs some specing (plus decisions on what is worth spending time on to support).
[03:49] <mpt> yeah
[03:50] <cprov> jamesh/mpt: what about have a meeting with SteveA/kiko about the conduct.ubuntu.com idea ?
[03:50] <mpt> yes, or maybe bring it up at the LP meeting
[03:51] <mpt> We probably need whatever evidence there is of the CoC working for Ubuntu
[03:51] <mpt> (has it been enforced? Is it a good persuasive tool? etc)
[03:51] <mpt> to know whether it's worth letting everyone else have one
[03:51] <jamesh> cprov: moving it to a separate site sounds like it would be a similar amount of work to allowing multiple CoCs (especially if you include the work the admins would need to do to get the separate site up and running with SSL, etc)
[03:51] <stub> elmo: If I'm supposed to be able to log in to carbon, I can't; it doesn't seem to have my key.
[03:52] <elmo> stub: yeah, it won't yet - I've "borrowed" it for preview on thursday
[03:52] <stub> elmo: No probs
[03:53] <jamesh> elmo: a few months ago you reported https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/30276.  Do you remember enough about what you did to answer the question I asked in a comment?
[03:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30276 in launchpad "launchpad claims a key is expired when it's not" [Major,Needs info]
[03:54] <elmo> jamesh: I suspect it was after - I didn't notice the key had expired until the (old dak-based) archive broke
[03:54] <elmo> gar, why can't you reply to specific comments through the web-ui
[03:54] <cprov> jamesh: maybe, sounds like we are swapping coding time by DC-admin time; don't know need focused discussion.
[03:55] <jamesh> elmo: okay.  I'll dupe it then.
[04:00] <zul> is there any launchpad admin's around that can merge 2 accounts for me?
[04:02] <Kinnison> Is there a reason why you cannot merge them yourself?
[04:02] <zul> yeah i dont have access to one of the email addressess anymore
[04:03] <Kinnison> aah, yes
[04:03] <zul> zul is the old one and i want it to be merged with zulcss
[04:03] <Kinnison> zul: you probably need one of lifeless or stevea
[04:04] <Kinnison> kiko may also know how to do it
[04:04] <Kinnison> s/admit/admin/
[04:04] <zul> ok...ill just wait around for kiko then
[04:04] <tseng> steve did it for me
[04:05] <tseng> send him a gpg signed request with both account names
[04:05] <tseng> is the key on both of them?
[04:05] <zul> just one of them
[04:06] <tseng> the lost one, or the good one?
[04:07] <zul> the good one
[04:07] <tseng> cool
[04:08] <zul> tseng: the bad one has my gentoo account and im pretty sure it has been retired
[04:26] <carlos> stub: still around?
[04:26] <stub> carlos: yes
[04:26] <carlos> stub: could you take a look to pqm?
[04:27] <carlos> seems like it's stalled, we got a confirmation of current task about 2 hours and a half
[04:27] <carlos> ago
[04:27] <mpt> so, that's pretty cool
[04:27] <mpt> Launchpad is censoring the FAQ
[04:28] <carlos> mpt: I see it...
[04:28] <mpt> by not linking to it on half the pages in Launchpad
[04:28] <stub> carlos: it is busy doing stuff - I think the 'push to chinstrap' stage. You sure about that  2 hours?
[04:29] <carlos> mpt: oh
[04:29] <carlos> stub: that or we got the same merge request twice
[04:30] <carlos> stub: I got the email from arch-commits mailing list two hours and a half ago
[04:31] <stub> Hmm... not pushing to chinstrap - no activity on that box...
[04:37] <stub> ok. Can't see anything to do except kill it :-(
[04:38] <carlos> stub: Can you do the push manually? or next merge will do that push?
[04:38] <carlos> or will be that merge lost?
[04:40] <stub> carlos: The merge never completed - it didn't get to the push stage. So there is nothing new to push.
[04:40] <stub> pqm is retrying the job now.
[04:41] <carlos> ok
[04:41] <carlos> stub: thanks for looking at it
[04:48] <SteveA> zul: hello
[04:49] <zul> hi SteveA
[04:50] <SteveA> let's talk in private about your account merging issues
[04:50] <zul> sure..
[04:50] <mpt> SteveA, bug 40014 is very strange, I think it might be Zope
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40014 in launchpad "Variable chunks (e.g. FAQ link) missing from pages' footer" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40014
[05:07] <BjornT> mpt, SteveA: yes, it is zope, it happens every time zope inserts a <base> tag. it doesn't update the content-length header after doing so.
[05:11] <SteveA> aw crap
[05:11] <SteveA> BjornT: any idea if this is fixed with zope3.2
[05:11] <SteveA> ?
[05:14] <BjornT> SteveA: it doesn't seem to be fixed, but i'll write a test just to make sure.
[05:14] <SteveA> ok
[05:14] <SteveA> this can go straight upstream, of course
[05:21] <SteveA> as a workaround, add whitespace crap at the end of the main template ;-)
[05:29] <BjornT> SteveA: i have a test now that confirms that it's not fixed. do you want me to fix it?
[05:35] <SteveA> please
[05:35] <SteveA> if you fix it upstream, then we can also apply the diff to our Zope
[05:36] <SteveA> or do it the other way around, if you prefer
[05:37] <BjornT> i'll fix it upstream first since i have zope3 trees already set up.
[05:38] <SteveA> ok
[05:40] <stub> quick fix is to trash the content-length header
[06:30] <BjornT> stub: can you please pull r67079 from upstream zope3? it fixes bug 40014, and the diff is at https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileo1sNuL.html
[06:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40014 in launchpad "Variable chunks (e.g. FAQ link) missing from pages' footer" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40014
[06:36] <SteveA> BjornT: looks good to me.  r=me
[06:40] <BjornT> cool
[06:41] <BjornT> SteveA, stub: btw, did you see my patch i sent to launchpad-reviews? it gets rid of the annoying warnings produced when running page tests?
[06:46] <SteveA> what kind of warnings?
[06:46] <SteveA> i saw that it was a very minimal patch
[06:48] <BjornT> SteveA: bug 39426
[06:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39426 in launchpad "Running page tests produces lots of warnings" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39426
[06:49] <SteveA> is this since zope3.2 ?
[06:50] <SteveA> your fix looks okay, if you add a comment saying something like "tell our custom database adapter that the request has started"
[06:52] <SteveA> do we get the same warnings on staging, i wonder
[06:52] <BjornT> SteveA: yeah, i think so. i would guess that the set_request_started() call was removed by accident or something like that. i couldn't find any other place where that method was called.
[06:53] <SteveA> it could mean that the request timeout stuff hasn't been working properly
[06:53] <SteveA> and isn't working properly in production right now
[06:54] <SteveA> in which case this should get cherry-picked
[06:56] <BjornT> yeah could be, i'm not sure how to test if the timeout stuff is working properly, though.
[07:04] <SteveA> see if we get tons of warnings in the production logs
[07:04] <SteveA> see if we've had any timeout oopses
[07:05] <jordi> I generated a few the other day
[07:06] <jordi> https://launchpad.net/people/jordi/+translations does it
[07:06] <jordi> but this is known
[07:09] <BjornT> the timeout stuff probably is broken then, https://launchpad.net/people/jordi/+translations takes around 25 seconds to render, but it doesn't time out.
[07:10] <jordi> it did the other day
[07:10] <jordi> it worked for me now as well
[07:11] <jordi> kiko is working on a new page for that
[07:29] <carlos> jordi: it depends on the load of the server
[07:31] <jordi> I figured
[07:31] <jordi> ok, time to leave office
[07:31] <jordi> laters
[07:31] <carlos> see you later
[08:26] <Seveas> SteveA, ping
[08:27] <SteveA> Seveas: pong
[09:55] <dguido> The page on the wiki is not complete, does anyone know where i can get an architecture overview of Malone?
[10:00] <dguido> I'd like to specifically know how the branching of new distributions works and how new distros stay maintained with continually updated sources from upstream.
[10:18] <kiko> e-hello
[10:24] <Seveas> jamesh, ping
[10:24] <kiko> SteveA, ping
[10:32] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  expose destroySelf() through the IRevisionNumber interface (r3481: James Henstridge)
[10:32] <kiko> yay
[10:32] <kiko> oh that's weird
[10:32] <kiko> two commits
[10:32] <kiko> but same number
[10:33] <kiko> did pqm drop the first?
[10:39] <BjornT> kiko: yes, something went wrong with the first merge request
[10:39] <kiko> I see
[10:49] <kiko> cprov, "qprocd"? not "launchpad-qprocd"?
[10:50] <cprov> kiko: duderino, don't blame me ;)
[10:51] <kiko> matsubara, ping?
[10:52] <kiko> matsubara, can you verify bug 6010 is actually fixed-in-production?
[10:52] <cprov> kiko: I preffer launchpad prefix too, but I'd really like another fancy name like 'librarian' or 'supermirror'
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6010 in malone "error when putting non-number into bug number field: OOPS-B192" [Major,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6010
[10:52] <kiko> I don't dislike qprocd
[10:52] <kiko> just..find it odd that it doesn't refer to lp
[10:52] <kiko> maybe you're right
[10:57] <cprov> kiko: but I won't fight against this new name/standard. It's weird, but harmless
[10:57] <matsubara> kiko: it's working and I changed the bug status to Fix Released
[10:58] <kiko> matsubara, I just tested in production following the steps reported and got the same 404
[11:02] <matsubara> kiko: hmm, we don't have a custom bug not found page. The fix for that bug was to make the bug field accept bug nicknames too.
[11:03] <kiko> that's not the entire bug, though
[11:03] <kiko> read the description
[11:04] <matsubara> I see. Should I re-open it or open a new one requesting a custom bug not found page?
[11:05] <kiko> I'd reopen it
[11:10] <matsubara> kiko: it doesn't belong to the oops milestone anymore, right? What about the severity?
[11:10] <kiko> matsubara, you are somewhat right (though it causes 404s) -- severity Normal.
[11:12] <matsubara> kiko: what milestone do you suggest? 1.0?
[11:13] <kiko> matsubara, later or none
[11:14] <kiko> does anyone know if today's the first day we're running on the new zope?
[11:26] <mdke> carlos, jordi, around?
[11:27] <jordi> yes
[11:27] <carlos> mdke: hi
[11:27] <carlos> kiko: no idea, sorry
[11:27] <mdke> wow, 2 for the price of one
[11:27] <carlos> :-P
[11:27] <carlos> mdke: sorry, you have only half of me...
[11:27] <mdke> if I upload an updated pot template, with lots of changes to line numbers, but very few changes to strings, do the strings get merged automatically, or do translators have to redo them?
[11:27] <mdke> carlos, half is enough
[11:28] <carlos> mdke: what do you mean by line numbers?
[11:28] <mdke> carlos, :
[11:28] <mdke> -#: C/config-system.xml:1069(para)
[11:28] <mdke> +#: C/config-system.xml:1084(para)
[11:28] <carlos> that will not affect translations at all
[11:28] <mdke> same msgid
[11:29] <carlos> only the msgid changes are 'bad' for translators
[11:29] <mdke> good, thanks v much, as usual
[11:31] <carlos> mdke: you are welcome
[11:32] <carlos> mdke: btw, I owe you an email answer... I will try to send it tomorrow, now that I'm done with the OO fixing
[11:32] <carlos> sorry for the delay...
[11:32] <mdke> carlos, no problema
[11:33] <mdke> carlos, who can upload pot templates to distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+translations?
[11:34] <jordi> the owner of the template, usually
[11:34] <jordi> who is it?
[11:34] <mdke> lemme see
[11:35] <BjornT> kiko: yes, today is the first day we're running on zope 3.2
[11:35] <mdke> jordi, rosetta administrators
[11:35] <kiko> how does it feel? any major differences?
[11:36] <jordi> mdke: hmm, why is it rosetta admins?
[11:36] <carlos> mdke: I think we talked about give you the ownership until I add rights to all Ubuntu uploaders
[11:36] <carlos> jordi: automatic imports
[11:36] <carlos> jordi: by default we use that owner
[11:37] <mdke> carlos, yes, did that happen?
[11:37] <jordi> oh, I thought it had been transfered to them
[11:37] <carlos> mdke: no, doing it atm...
[11:37] <tortho> A question about Rosetta... I have translated a lot of the Schoolbell package for dapper, but when i go to the main rosetta page and navigate to schoolbell, and then norwegian, i can se that it is not translated at all, is it possible to transfer in some way?
[11:37] <mdke> actually np, Riddell is going to upload a new package with the pot
[11:38] <carlos> mdke: we prefer the package path, but is ok to do the manual upload
[11:38] <carlos> mdke: could you remind me the owner we should set there?
[11:38] <BjornT> kiko: so far i haven't seen much difference. one or two bugs have been found related to it, though.
[11:38] <kiko> I haven't seen much difference either
[11:39] <mdke> carlos, let's just leave it, the package path is better, as you say
[11:39] <carlos> mdke: is better but it's slow and I understand that it would be a problem for you
[11:39] <carlos> mdke: it will not cause any problem
[11:40] <mdke> ubuntu-doc?
[11:49] <carlos> there are two teams related to ubuntu-doc...
[11:49] <carlos> ubuntu-doc
[11:49] <carlos>     Ubuntu Documentation Project
[11:49] <carlos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:49] <carlos>     Ubuntu Documentation Team
[11:49] <carlos> that's weird...
[11:50] <kiko> should be merged
[11:50] <carlos> you should have just one team...
[11:51] <mdke> carlos, kiko, there's a bug about it
[11:51] <kiko> yeah
[11:51] <mdke> kiko, if you wanna do your bug magic on it, it's been open a while
[11:51] <mdke> ;)
[11:51] <kiko> remind me what bug number it is, mdke?
[11:52] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/29177
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29177 in launchpad "Allow merging of teams (and specifically merge ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc-lists)" [Normal,Confirmed]
[11:52] <mdke> carlos, the first one is right
[11:52] <kiko> thank you
[11:52] <mdke> i think ;)
[11:52] <carlos> ok
[11:53] <carlos> mdke: kubuntu ownership changed
[11:53] <mdke> merci
[11:55] <Seveas> kiko! You broke more of my account
[11:55] <kiko> Seveas, I didn't do anything else, but I did notice your calendar was bustificated!
[11:55] <Seveas> kiko, the wiki thinks I no longer have an e-mailaddress
[11:55] <Seveas> I can login though
[11:55] <kiko> wow, that's weird
[11:55] <kiko> really?
[11:56] <Seveas> but subscribe won't work
[11:56] <Seveas> well, I was still logged in
[11:56] <Seveas> will try logout+login
[11:57] <carlos> mdke: and ubuntu-doc should be fixed tooo
[11:57] <Seveas> kiko, yes I can login with it
[11:57] <mdke> carlos, merci BEAUCOUP
[11:58] <kiko> Seveas, I can't see how it can't find your email address
[11:59] <Seveas> kiko, hmm, now it CAN find it but my list of subscriptions is missing...
[11:59] <Seveas> seems to be a session/cookie issue
[11:59] <kiko> odd
[11:59] <Seveas> anyway: it got busted but is now fixable by myself
[11:59] <kiko> sorry bout that once more
[11:59] <Seveas> kiko, AH! wait
[12:00] <Seveas> when I edit my profile it complains again
[12:00] <kiko> complains?
[12:00] <Seveas> This list does not work, unless you have entered a valid email address!
[12:01] <kiko> where is that?
[12:01] <Seveas> on the UserPreferences page
[12:01] <kiko> that's very very odd
[12:01] <Seveas> kiko, can you please edit wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX, just add a few letters
[12:01] <Seveas> let's see if it mails anyway
[12:02] <kiko> changed... DanielHolbach2, Vorik, OttoKeklinen, JunKobayashi, MarcAbramowitz, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK
[12:02] <kiko> mmmm
[12:02] <kiko> what's your wikiname?
[12:02] <Seveas> DennisKaarsemaker
[12:05] <kiko> Seveas, seems like you've run into an odd bug.. I don't quite understand how this could happen because the authserver can't lie about it, but if you could file a bug explaining the problem we'll have spiv look into it.
[12:05] <tortho> Is it possible to download a po file for a Dapper package, and upload it to the main package to transfer the translation?
[12:05] <Seveas> kiko, will do
[12:06] <mdke> tortho, it's done automatically


[00:09] <LjL> or it might not
[00:09] <URGENT-help> hello
[00:09] <LjL> you were warned thrice about your language, i believe
[00:09] <URGENT-help> I know
[00:09] <URGENT-help> sorry
[00:10] <LjL> i'm sorry too
[00:10] <URGENT-help> so can you please remove the ban, at least temporary
[00:10] <URGENT-help> ?
[00:10] <LjL> no, you should have thought about it after the first warning. if you had missed it, perhaps after the second warning.
[00:10] <URGENT-help> The 3rd was just a typo...
[00:11] <URGENT-help> I misspelled the 2nd and I corrected(without thinking what I am correcting)
[00:11] <LjL> i'm talking about the *warnings*.
[00:12] <URGENT-help> seriously, what do you win if you are not gonna remove the ban? I really need to speak to somebody in THAT channel. It makes no difference to you or the community for now. It's not like I am some "1337 h4x0r" spamming and systematically breaking the rules.
[00:13] <URGENT-help> Please, can you remove the ban? And then we can go on with our lives and everybody is happy? and if it makes you feel any better, you can just ban me right after
[00:13] <LjL> i don't win anything, i'm just doing what i'm supposed to do, that is warn about the rules, and if warnings are ignored, ban
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I ignored twice,  just twice. Many people do it much more often than me and they don't get banned
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I "ignored" is better.
[00:14] <URGENT-help> I wasn't paying attention because I was focused on getting help
[00:14] <LjL> is "couldn't give a damn" better?
[00:15] <URGENT-help> whatever you want is OK...
[00:15] <LjL> URGENT-help: i'll let you back in
[00:15] <LjL> after you read all of the following
[00:15] <LjL> !etiquette > URGENT-help    (URGENT-help, see the private message from Ubotu)
[00:15] <URGENT-help> THANK YOU
[00:15] <URGENT-help> OK
[00:16] <LjL> tell me when you have, please.
[00:18] <URGENT-help> OK
[00:18] <URGENT-help> Done
[00:18] <URGENT-help> Asked Ubottu
[00:19] <URGENT-help> so could you please tell me when I can join #ubuntu?
[00:19] <LjL> URGENT-help: so i can be very sure you'll abide to the code of conduct and our irc guidelines now?
[00:20] <URGENT-help> 100%
[00:20] <URGENT-help> I promise
[00:20] <LjL> join
[00:20] <URGENT-help> THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
[00:20] <LjL> !caps
[00:20] <LjL> should add that to the list
[00:32] <LjL> URGENT-help: mind vacating this channel if you have no further questions here?
[00:33] <URGENT-help> LjL: well, just one more question
[00:34] <LjL> ...
[00:34] <Pici> ...
[00:39] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops URGENT-help Unbanned with some doubts about it, definitely consider re-banning if further bad behavior occurs
[00:45] <Pici> agreed
[01:01] <jrib> LjL: repeat offenders
[01:02] <LjL> ban evading, yes
[01:03] <LjL> jrib: ah, i see you'd banned them yesterday too. but i banned ones with other nicknames - but extremely similar IPs - just an hour or so ago
[01:04] <jrib> nope, I just kicked them a few minutes ago and warned
[01:05] <LjL> jrib: let's see if this stops them for a bit
[02:05] <Cheek1> suuuuuuuuuuup
[02:19] <Pici> sup
[04:51] <Myrtti> good morning
[04:51] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[04:51] <Flannel> You slept through the world almost ending!
[04:53] <Myrtti> I wish
[05:02] <Myrtti> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/10/06/funny-pictures-this-will-make-exclent-barfs/
[05:21] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Bilange about the coc
[05:22] <Flannel> oops
[05:22] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Bilange about coc
[05:51] <Flannel> Sorted
[06:08] <Myrtti> Have a look at stupidroot
[08:04] <Myrtti> hello kids
[08:05] <jussi01> brrrr.... cccccooolllddd....
[08:07]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01
[08:07] <jussi01> :)
[08:22] <Flannel> Woooooo.  Marching season has officially started.
[08:35] <Myrtti> jussi01: you there?
[08:35] <jussi01> yes
[09:20] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:54] <elkbuntu> aim1159, welcome to the complaints department, can i help?
[10:56] <aim1159> elkbuntu: hi. just wondering what is this channel for. i'm an op from #ubuntu-ru
[10:58] <Myrtti> loco channel issues are handled in -irc
[10:58] <elkbuntu> it's for main-channel operators to deal with complaints. #ubuntu-irc is for small channels
[10:58] <Myrtti> this is for the main channels
[10:58] <aim1159> ok. thanks!
[11:09] <jussi01> elkbuntu: you shouldnt say small channels, some of those locos are pretty big... ;)
[11:11] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i realised that after i said it, but -ru is small, and i wasnt aware how much he'd understand
[11:12] <jussi01> ;)
[11:31] <ikonia> cheeky in #ubuntu as cheek1
[11:31] <ikonia> @btlogin
[11:32] <jussi01> oh, again...
[11:32] <jussi01> sigh...
[11:33] <ikonia> where ?
[11:35] <jussi01> ikonia: was sighing at the fact cheeky was back
[11:35] <ikonia> ahh
[11:35] <ikonia> sorry thought he's been dodging again before I spotted
[11:37] <Cheek1> anyone here?
[11:38] <ikonia> yes
[11:38] <jussi01> no...
[11:38] <jussi01> :P
[11:38] <Cheek1> why did you kick me out ?
[11:38] <ikonia> because I believed you where ban doding
[11:38] <ikonia> I see that ompaul actually removed the ban so I'm removeing your ban now
[11:38] <ikonia> please accept my apologies
[11:39] <Cheek1> ok well i wasnt
[11:39] <Cheek1> no dont need to appologize
[11:40] <ikonia> I'm sorry to say this is a stigma that goes with your reputation, and the fact that I foolishly didn't refresh the tracking tools
[11:40] <ikonia> the bands been removed, my mistake and apologies
[11:42] <ikonia> band = ban
[11:43] <Cheek1> could i just get back in?
[11:43] <Cheek1> coz i spoke to ompaul earlier onewards about the ban iam not sure if you guys were know or if there is a system you can see i have no clue
[11:44] <ikonia> Cheek1 yes you can return, again with my apologies
[11:44] <Cheek1> my reputation?
[11:44] <Cheek1> how come i cant have my earlier name?
[11:44] <jussi01> !register > Cheek1
[11:46] <Cheek1> hey ikonia its cool crap happens
[11:46] <ikonia> thank you
[11:46] <jussi01> Cheek1: now, anything else we can help you with?
[11:47] <Cheek1> jussi01: i want my earlier namei dont want to register this name @ all it was given to me
[11:47] <ikonia> your earlier nick is no longer available,
[11:47] <jussi01> Cheek1: we dont deal with the nicknames here, I suggest you ask in #freenode
[11:47] <ikonia> oh, it's not registered
[11:51] <Cheek1> \Type « /nick Cheeky
[11:51] <Cheek1> ermm .. for good?
[11:51] <Cheek1> yeah .. its wierd .. coz i think it was .. me .. who used that name .. for some reason iam still on irc.. but with two name this and cheeky
[11:51] <ikonia> someone else was using that nick until a few minutes ago, if you join #freenode they can explain it to you
[11:52] <Cheek1> ok thnks
[11:52]  * ikonia enjoys a double helping of humble pie
[11:55] <jussi01> ikonia: we all make mistakes - dont stress it
[11:55] <ikonia> I'm getting asked in pm now if "we did this to him", I think he's referencing his nick name
[11:55] <ikonia> jussi01: learnt to hit refresh every time
[11:57] <jussi01> *hugs*
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <Cheek1> did you guys har my ubuntu box or something ?
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <ikonia> har your ubuntu box ?
[11:57] <ikonia> 11:56 <Cheek1> harm
[13:04] <Myrtti> PLZ CAN HAZ COFFEE NAO?
[13:04] <jussi01> no...
[13:04] <Myrtti> COFFEE NAO!?
[13:11]  * elkbuntu jabs Myrtti with the caffeine IV
[13:30] <LjL> i joined just at the right moment
[13:31] <Pici> Right after a netsplit?
[13:36] <LjL> Pici: right before. at least it was a small netsplit and not *immediately* after i joined, otherwise bye bye to my connection
[13:39] <elkbuntu> it's been going on for at least an hour and a half i know of
[13:40] <LjL> elkbuntu: yeah, he's recapping to me
[13:40] <elkbuntu> it made the asia/oceania meeting nice and tricky
[13:40] <Pici> eww.
[13:41] <LjL> elkbuntu: i'm a subscriber to the concept that meetings should be held with everyone connected to one server
[13:41] <LjL> because yes, Murphy does inequivocally say that netsplits will happen during a meeting
[13:42] <elkbuntu> heh, we're hard pressed getting a quorum, let alone coordinating connections
[13:43] <ikonia> quorum is a must
[13:59] <ikonia> could someone who is in #ubuntu-meeting see at what point I left
[13:59] <ikonia> I think the netsplit has borked some of my channels as it still shows me as in there, but I can't see anything /topic etc etc
[14:00] <LjL> ikonia: what server are you on?
[14:01] <ikonia> kubrick
[14:03] <LjL> ikonia: go ask floodbot2 then :P
[14:04] <LjL> maniheer is getting on my nerves
[15:55] <ikonia> damn it auto_Bel.pl didn't work
[15:59] <ikonia> didn't put a forward on, I've sent a pm to mookid to join this channel if he wishes to discuss this futher
[15:59] <ikonia> just as an FYI
[15:59] <bazhang> oh joy :)
[15:59] <Pici> eh?
[16:00] <ikonia> Pici: a user in #ubuntu, just used auto_bleh to forward him here, but for some reason it dodn't put the forward on
[16:00] <Pici> ikonia: 10:54:57 >>>> mode/#ubuntu [+b *!*@httpd.info!#ubuntu-ops] by ikonia ?
[16:00] <mookid> I was summoned
[16:00] <ikonia> Pici ooh it did work, Hmmm irssi is playing up
[16:00] <mookid> I call to the stand, me
[16:00] <ikonia> mookid: thanks for coming
[16:01] <mookid> hey no problem
[16:01] <mookid> I get a chance to speak to you so I'm a winner here
[16:01] <ikonia> it's a quick request to get you to read the ubuntu irc guidelines that where sent to you, as your behaviour in #ubuntu was causing a disruption, so rather than discuss it in #ubuntu it seemed sensible to bring you here
[16:02] <mookid> That's what robert mugabe said
[16:02] <mookid> 'disruption'
[16:02] <ikonia> if you don't want to discuss this sensibly, thats fine,
[16:02] <ikonia> I'll leave you be
[16:02] <mookid> ?
[16:02] <mookid> so I make a valid point and you tell me I'm not being sensible
[16:02] <mookid> the point is.. if you make vague rules up that don't actually mean anything
[16:03] <mookid> what exactly do you expect?
[16:03] <ikonia> I'm not discussing robert mugabe, I'm mkaing a polite request for you to read the irc guidelines to participate better
[16:03] <mookid> I'm telling you, the rules are nonsensical - 'disruption'.. cmon..
[16:04] <ikonia> what part is not clear
[16:04] <mookid> define disruption
[16:04] <ikonia> happy to clarify
[16:04] <mookid> in a way which prevents you from making stuf up as you go along
[16:05] <ikonia> making stuff up ?
[16:05] <mookid> I get it.. you're important - I believe you
[16:05] <ikonia> I'm not at all
[16:05] <ikonia> disuption is pretty much anythign that moves the channel away from ubuntu support or helping people
[16:05] <mookid> I know several people who complain about your attitude
[16:05] <bazhang> mookid, you were being disruptive.
[16:06] <ikonia> @btlogin
[16:06] <bazhang> mookid, your removal was more than righteous
[16:06] <mookid> I typed one line.. it was done.. what good does it do anyone to draw more attention to it? other than let you display your massive e-dong to the rest of the channel?
[16:06] <ikonia> @login
[16:06] <mookid> seriously.
[16:06] <ikonia> mookid it wasn't one line, you whee asked to stop and carried out
[16:07] <mookid> I was asked to stop something I'd already done
[16:07] <mookid> how does that make sense
[16:07] <ikonia> you where asked, then posted more
[16:07] <mookid> you just saw an opportunity to tell someoen what to do
[16:07] <ikonia> you pushed a user out of the channel
[16:07] <ikonia> then tried to defend that
[16:07] <mookid> no I didnt
[16:08] <mookid> I was clearly joking.. the guy even reacted in a way to say that he knew I was joking
[16:08] <ikonia> mookid: then left
[16:08] <ikonia> "I get the hint"
[16:08] <mookid> I know.. I saw it..
[16:08] <ikonia> was his parting comment
[16:08] <bazhang> mookid, it is a support channel not a joke channel
[16:08] <mookid> he parting comment was actually 'fuckers'
[16:08] <bazhang> mookid, #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat and jokes
[16:09] <mookid> why do you have to proceduralise everything?
[16:09] <ikonia> I didn't see that parting comment or I would have spoke to him about it,
[16:09] <bazhang> mookid, read the links given you
[16:09] <mookid> linux for human beings.. IRC channel for beardy robot-people
[16:09] <bazhang> mookid, no need to drag this out.
[16:09] <mookid> yeah probably better to kick ban me from here aswell
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid honestly, the lines where just to help you get a drift on the channels topic
[16:10] <mookid> rather than stand your ground
[16:10] <bazhang> mookid, unless that is your intent
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid: if you read the guidelines you'll be fine, just helps the channel stay on topic and flow
[16:10] <mookid> I just think that attitudes like this arehalf of the problem with open source
[16:10] <ikonia> mookid: attitudes like yorus then must be the other half of the issue
[16:11] <Pici> If you cannot follow our channel guidelines then you can show yourself the door.
[16:11] <mookid> point proven
[16:11] <mookid> thanks
[16:11] <mookid> how can you exist in this 'free' movement
[16:11] <mookid> and have the gaul to make statements like that
[16:11] <ikonia> mookid: it's not a free movment channel
[16:11] <mookid> really?
[16:12] <ikonia> it's a support channel that has guidlines for participation
[16:12] <bazhang> mookid, why prolong this.
[16:12] <mookid> why not?
[16:12] <bazhang> its a very busy channel
[16:12] <mookid> this is interesting me
[16:12] <bazhang> and you were being very disruptive
[16:12] <ikonia> mookid: please just glance through the documents to get an idea for the channels guidlines
[16:12] <mookid> very?
[16:12] <mookid> you sure about that?
[16:12] <ikonia> there is no problem
[16:12] <bazhang> indeed
[16:13] <mookid> look - if you continue to approach shit like this you'll just repel people
[16:13] <ikonia> mookid calm down on the language
[16:13] <mookid> fuck, sorry
[16:13] <ikonia> thats also covered int eh guidlines and will help you not slip up in the main channels
[16:13] <bazhang> reminds me of cheeky
[16:14] <ikonia> I didn't want it to come to that, I only removed him from the channel as I didn't want this discussion to start in #ubuntu which is where it would have gone
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: sorry, but I think we were just going in circles.
[16:14] <bazhang> he doth protest too much
[16:14] <ikonia> Pici: not at all, just dissapointed
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: I know the feeling.
[16:14] <ikonia> Pici: not with you, that he wouldn't just conform a bit
[16:14] <Pici> ikonia: Right.
[17:04] <jussi01> shiny new hampster wheels ordered!! :D
[17:04] <ikonia> I expect a blog post
[17:05] <jussi01> ikonia: yep, probaly do it when I get it next week
[17:05] <jussi01> clarification: Im getting a new PC:
[17:05] <jussi01> :D
[17:05] <Pici> Oh.   It was before I started putting proper timestamps on my logs, so at least a few months ago.  And he was quite normal then.
[17:20] <Pici> Being the helper too, not the helped.
[17:21] <ikonia> nice
[17:21] <ikonia> he started off so odd in #ubuntu
[17:21] <ikonia> more so as if he's been in before, why ask what ubuntu is ?
[17:21] <Pici> He is still odd.
[17:21] <ikonia> if he's helping he obviously knows what it is
[17:22] <Pici> Same name, ident, and ip.
[17:22] <ikonia> something odd with it, can help out and has been in #ubuntu before, but claims not to know what ubuntu is, or anything about it
[17:22] <ikonia> it started off looking like a beos troll
[17:23] <LjL> a beos troll?
[17:23] <LjL> what a refined sort of troll
[17:23] <Pici> It was weird.
[17:23] <LjL> i can haz CP/M flamewarz
[17:24] <ikonia> well, it wasn't a troll, it looked like thats where it was going
[17:24] <Pici> 12:07:42 <dystopianray> why did mark shuttleworth make an operating system using linux?
[17:24] <LjL> why is the earth flat, for that matter?
[17:25] <ikonia> are the stars just pin holes in the curtain of night
[17:27] <LjL> ikonia: that's because some air needs to pass or we'd die suffucated, duh
[18:33] <ikonia> could someone explain this https://launchpad.net/~club-ubuntu
[18:33] <ikonia> genuine question
[18:33] <ikonia> I'm curious to why a "group" that is against the coc is being allowed a launhpad team ?
[18:35] <Daviey> You don't need to agree to the CoC to have a LP team
[18:35] <ikonia> ahhh
[18:35] <ikonia> thats where I may have it not straight
[18:35] <ikonia> I thought you had to agree to the coc to get ubuntu teams
[18:35] <Daviey> It also looks like they've been doing some good work, which is great
[18:35] <ikonia> really ?
[18:35] <ikonia> where ?
[18:36] <Daviey> One example, 5 a day - they are 11th best proforming team
[18:36] <ikonia> proforming ?
[18:37] <ikonia> (sorry - not trying to be dense)
[18:37] <ikonia> what do you mean by proforming ?
[18:37] <Daviey> performing*
[18:37] <ikonia> ahh
[18:38] <ikonia> performing in what
[18:38] <Daviey> 5 a day
[18:38] <ikonia> the launchpad page doens't show much
[18:38] <ikonia> 5 a day ?
[18:38] <ikonia> again, not trying to be thick, just not familer with all the terms
[18:38] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[18:38] <Pici> !5-a-day
[18:38] <ikonia> ooh, even a factoid
[18:39] <Pici> !5aday is <alias> 5-a-day
[18:39] <ikonia> Daviey how can you see those sort of stats, I couldn't see anything on the wiki page
[18:39] <ikonia> launchpad page sorry
[18:40] <Pici> ikonia: http://daniel.holba.ch/5-a-day-stats/
[18:40] <ikonia> Pici: thats handy, but I meant how did Daviey know that they where doing that and to look there
[18:40] <ikonia> eg: does it list what people are up to / participating in
[18:41] <Daviey> For a team "formed" begining of Aug - that's good IMO
[18:41] <Pici> It lists what the top 50 teams are all time are.
[18:41] <Pici> and concidering the rest are mostly loco teams, its pretty good.
[18:41] <ikonia> Daviey depends what they are doing, hence why I was curious to how you got he info as I couldn't see anything, be interested to know what else they are working on
[18:42] <ikonia> Daviey sorry, I didn't expalin that very well
[18:43] <ikonia> I meant how did you know to look at the 5 a day info, eg: what listed that they where working on the 5 a day
[18:43] <Pici> I assume he was looking at 5-a-day for something else and saw them.
[18:44] <ikonia> hence my interest/curiosity
[18:46] <ikonia> interested to know how to see what teams are working on in general, as launchpad only shows bugs/answers/blueprints
[18:50] <Daviey> I just happend to see them on the stats page.. when the ubuntu uk podcast did our segment :)
[18:52] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[18:52] <ompaul> ohh he away
[18:53] <ompaul> ahh well
[18:59] <LjL> what ompaul?
[18:59] <ompaul> LjL, pm
[19:16]  * jussi01 doesnt understand why ljl keeps that "see the message from ubotu" script...
[19:17] <LjL> because i'd still like ubottu's own message to be removed when i use it, mostly
[19:35] <Myrtti> !prayer
[19:35]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[19:40] <Pici> Its a Myrtti. yay.
[19:41] <jussi01> Pici: you need a :D or :) after that or it sounds really sarcastic....  :P
[19:42] <Pici> Nervous?
[19:44] <Myrtti> was
[19:44] <Myrtti> Monty Widenius and some other Finnish semi-FLOSS-celebrities
[19:46] <Pici> I'm sure you did fine.
[19:46] <Myrtti> yeah, I think so too
[19:46] <Myrtti> I'm just mad about that the 3 months of work the summercoders did was crammed into a five minute lightning talk each
[19:47] <Myrtti> and they had to try to "shout" over people getting drinks and eating
[19:47] <jussi01> thats a mongrel...
[19:47] <Pici> I'm usually not nervous talking in front of people if I know what I'm talking about.
[19:48] <jussi01> Pici: me either, unless they know more about it than me...
[20:17] <LjL> Pici: why are you always nervous when talking in front of people?
[20:17] <Pici> LjL: :P
[20:18] <Tm_T> kids...
[20:18] <Tm_T> I hated my speech, glad it wasn't important (:)
[20:29] <Pici> !prayer
[20:56] <Myrtti> @bansearch Martiini
[20:56] <Myrtti> @bansearch Martiini #ubuntu
[20:56] <Myrtti> right
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch marti
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch martini
[21:02] <ompaul> @bansearch martini #ubuntu
[21:03] <ompaul> i thought that nick was spelt some other way
[21:07] <ompaul> @bansearch Martiini #ubuntu
[21:08] <ompaul> Myrtti, ^^ it was going to happen
[21:08] <ompaul> and in pm the complements were flying
[21:08] <ompaul> so much so that I pulled the how to win friends and influence people theme :-/
[21:08] <Myrtti> örbörm
[21:10] <ompaul> he keeps insulting me ;-)
[21:10] <ompaul> some people don't learn
[21:15] <ompaul> perhaps education has begun
[21:16] <Tm_T> night, kids, this old fart needs some sleep
[21:20] <ompaul> Tm_T, old, you is no older than a quark
[22:04] <jussi01> PriceChild: Ping
[22:05] <ompaul> I wonder how it would be if we were to introduce the floodbots in here with only one function to mute people who say ping ;-)
[22:05]  * ompaul thinks I would be on the banlist forever
[22:05]  * jussi01 goes to ban ompaul
[22:05] <PriceChild> jussi01: pong
[22:06] <jussi01> PriceChild: got a moment for a quick PM?
[22:06] <PriceChild> sure
[22:39] <ompaul> @bansearch ward1983 #ubuntu
[23:55] <ompaul> LjL, did he / she / it pm you?
[23:56] <LjL> ompaul: no, but he was trolling #freenode a moment ago, i'm just waiting for half an excuse to ban him
[23:56] <ompaul> LjL, I have half of one, I want the other half :)


[02:22] <ubotu> New bug: #158202 in xresprobe (main) "Ubuntu installer crashes to a blank screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158202
[05:34] <ubotu> New bug: #155372 in openoffice.org (restricted) "Open Office does not start when using fglrx ATI driver." [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155372
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #162807 in xserver-xorg-video-nsc (main) "GX2 video doesn't work in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162807
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #162818 in xorg (main) "german keyboard layout reverts to american one on reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162818
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #56649 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (main) "include path to strtod()" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56649
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #162888 in mesa (main) "ATI radeon - complete system lock-up with 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162888
[15:23] <ubotu> New bug: #112279 in xkbutils (main) "Openoffice in Ubuntu doesn't work with devnagari fonts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112279
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #44393 in acpi-support (main) "After closing the lid, video does not come bak by pressing any key." [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44393
[17:31] <bryce> morning
[17:51] <ubotu> New bug: #159309 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Gutsy (k)ubuntu 7.10 on notebook HP nx6110: lid state incorrect after close-reopen (dup-of: 44393)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159309
[22:06] <tepsipakki> evening..
[22:06] <tepsipakki> oh, past midnight
[22:06] <tepsipakki> guess it's morning then :P
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #132241 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx] Many GL apps show black windows with onboard GeForce 4 MX 440" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132241
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #115705 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[fglrx] openoffice crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115705
[23:24] <Q-FUNK> :)
[23:34] <bryce> hi guys
[23:36] <Q-FUNK> hi bryce!
[23:54] <tormod> hi, I noticed build failures on hppa (libgl1-mesa-dev could not be installed). Is this normal/known/fixed ?
[23:55] <bryce> I think it's known; I  think tepsipakki had mentioned it to someone (pitti?) earlier
[23:56] <tormod> good


[11:44] <OnkelTem> Hi all. How to change date format in the system? In Dolphin for example. Currently it's weird MM/DD/YYYY
[11:44] <OnkelTem> No, it's MM/DD/YY
[11:53] <kirvesAxe> OnkelTem, open system settings and search for "format"
[11:54] <OnkelTem> kirvesAxe: https://i.imgur.com/U7xnuX6.png
[11:54] <OnkelTem> As you see, the date format is correct. But in Dolphin I have this mess:
[11:55] <OnkelTem> https://i.imgur.com/jY7f48E.png
[11:55] <kirvesAxe> I cannot see that as a correct date format, but that setting is the best guess I can give :)
[11:57] <kirvesAxe> But I'd either go check what Dolphin's settings are, or change that system format to something else and see if that has any effect on Dolphin or not.
[12:09] <OnkelTem> kirvesAxe: I tried, nothing helps, Dolphin uses the same format as before
[12:09] <OnkelTem> and I don't find any way to change that
[12:12] <OnkelTem> kirvesAxe: can you change date format in your Dolphin? Does that work?
[12:12] <Dragnslcr> I have the correct Y-M-D format in Dolphin. Let me check where I have that set.
[12:13] <Dragnslcr> Did you already check Settings -> Region & Language -> Time?
[12:13] <Dragnslcr> System Settings, that is
[12:14] <OnkelTem> Dragnslcr: positive. I changed it there.
[12:14] <OnkelTem> No matter what I set, and I tried many different ones, the Dolphin format doesn't change
[12:15] <Dragnslcr> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[12:16] <OnkelTem> Dragnslcr: 22.04
[12:17] <Dragnslcr> I don't have a 22.04 system anymore, so it'll be harder for me to confirm
[12:17] <Dragnslcr> What locale did you select in the Region & Language settings?
[12:18] <OnkelTem> I tried different ones, currently I set it to British English
[12:18] <OnkelTem> The language
[12:19] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, British English is D/M/Y
[12:20] <Dragnslcr> I think the only English locate that uses Y-M-D is en_SE (Sweden)
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> I remember having the same issue. I think it's already been reported as a feature request to be able to set the date format separately from the locale.
[12:21] <OnkelTem> So D/M/Y is fine.
[12:21] <OnkelTem> My problem is that it's M/D/Y
[12:22] <OnkelTem> I mean that Dolphin doesn't change its date format no matter what you set
[12:24] <Dragnslcr> Might need to log out and log back in
[12:25] <Dragnslcr> I just changed my locale, and Dolphin didn't update immediately
[12:27] <OnkelTem> I tried just everything
[12:27] <OnkelTem> And I found my own bug report that I created half a year ago
[12:27] <OnkelTem> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=463615
[12:27] -ubottu:#kubuntu- KDE bug 463615 in dolphin "Dolphin ignores date format locales" [Normal, Unconfirmed]
[12:27] <OnkelTem> And nobody gives a f
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> Unfortunately I can't help much. It works correctly for me on 23.04, and I remember it working correctly on 22.04.
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> Might be worth rebooting, then check System Settings to make sure the change stayed
[17:40] <user|62> Hello?
[19:23] <tweak> hi! i recently setup mysql for amarok, and i cannot get akonadi to work now. the error : Failed to open required defaults file: /etc/xdg/akonadi/mysql-global.conf . The file is present and i even changed the file permissions to myself as owner (it was root:root)


[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[14:35] <nigelb> nhandler: ouch, totally forgot!
[14:44] <nigelb> dholbach: whose turn today for cleensweep stats? mine?
[14:46] <dholbach> I think so
[14:46] <nigelb> oops, on it!
[14:56] <nigelb> dholbach: can we also rotate the team reports duty?
[14:57] <dholbach> nigelb: I'd say whoever wants to add something should add it
[14:57] <nigelb> we missed out this month  because I totaly could not find the time to do it :(
[14:57] <dholbach> yeah, I know
[14:57] <dholbach> same here
[14:57] <nigelb> I'll get the format and how-to ready so others can do it :)


[07:35] <mup> Bug #1981536 opened: volume group creation fails on md device - MAAS 3.2 <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981536>
[10:20] <mup> Bug #1981560 opened: upgrade from 3.1 to 3.2 missing steps <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981560>


[00:25] <ScottL> vlada, I'm not familiar really with bristol but i've heard it can be compiled with jack support
[00:25] <ScottL> which I presume means that it can be connected to JACK then
[00:26] <ScottL> but I'm pretty sure that it hasn't been compiled against JACK yet (there's even a bug for it I believe)
[00:52] <vlada> ScottL, interesting thing if you take into account that this is distro variation that even pro musician should be able to use out-of-the-box.
[00:52] <vlada> Hopefually, that'll get done right soon, so we can all enjoy lucid! ;)
[00:59] <ScottL> well, JACK was just put into the main, just before Lucid and a round of applications were built with JACK support
[00:59] <ScottL> bristol isn't in Ubuntu Studio at this time so it did not take importance right now
[01:00] <ScottL> hopefully it will be built against JACK for next (after Lucid) release
[01:01] <ScottL> I believe you can still run Bristol right now, just not with JACK support
[01:01] <ScottL> vlada, ^^^
[01:03] <vlada> ScottL, I'm actually quite new to ubuntu and have rather limited knowledge on what is in which repository... To bad we don't have everything jack-compiled already. It's not new technology.
[01:04] <ScottL> well, there is a level of politics and policies
[01:04] <vlada> noob question ahead: will I be able to upgrade whole system at once - as in - write one command and wait?
[01:06] <rlameiro> theoretically yes
[01:07] <rlameiro> you even dont need to write a command
[01:07] <rlameiro> just one click on update distribution or something
[01:07] <vlada> not encouraging... :) I'm alway more afraid of practice! :)
[01:08]  * vlada is more comfortable with terminal :)
[01:08] <rlameiro> yes you can
[01:08] <rlameiro> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade i think
[01:09] <vlada> and it goes through all repositories?
[01:09] <rlameiro> this upgrades the distribution
[01:09] <rlameiro> no all the software for all the repos i think
[01:10] <vlada> ok, I'll do it somehow for sure...
[01:11] <rlameiro> or maybe apt-get upgrade
[01:11] <vlada> rlameiro, hmm is it safe to upgrade to lucid already?
[01:15] <vlada> ...suppose I should not be that impatient!
[01:16] <ScottL> lucid is not officially released yet
[01:18] <vlada> ScottL, to beta version, I meant. oh, well... I'll wait!
[06:35] <Goptop> hi!
[13:36] <open_minded_jeff> hello room
[13:47] <open_minded_jeff> I have been having problems trying to get the ubuntu studio to successfully install on my intel Imac...
[13:47] <open_minded_jeff> is there anyone that could assist me with this issue...


[03:56] <JeZxLee> what time will Xubuntu 15.10 be released? I live in New York (about 12 PM now)
[05:22] <Zeioth> For anyone experiencing problems with AMD drivers in 15.10 (like me)
[05:22] <Zeioth> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15.10-4.2-Cat-Not-Ready
[05:43] <nikolam> where ordinary user in xubuntu could change a password?
[05:44] <nikolam> Ah I see, user settings and there is chage button
[06:06] <nikolam> my firefox just stopped responding...
[06:13] <nikolam> I think I made it with set-defaulr but I don't see it in df -h ?
[06:14] <nikolam> and I still have /share and /@share
[06:26] <Zeioth> solution for AMD drivers problem with 15.10:
[06:26] <Zeioth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1493888
[07:49] <xubuntu11w_newb> hello
[11:18] <fsociety[00]dat> hi #xubuntu :)
[11:19] <fsociety[00]dat> will Xubuntu Core available with 15.10 , officially?
[11:20] <max12345> can I share my calendar events I set on orage somehow?
[13:18] <morf> yes
[13:42] <TopGear> If I set Thunar to Detailed List and navigate to my /home folder (w/ Desktop, Documents, Downloads etc.) all folders have a special icon. A downward pointing arrow for Downloads and a piece of film for Videos. Oddly enough, Documents hasn't got such an icon in Detailed List (nor Compact List), but it does in Icons. Is anyone else having this problem? Xubuntu 15.10 by the way.
[13:44] <ducasse> TopGear: it has got a special icon here. Is this a fresh install?
[13:44] <flocculant> TopGear: the icon looks like aq document to me
[13:45] <TopGear> ducasse, Yes, completely fresh. I don't really like upgrades /\ flocculant, A white piece of paper with a folded corner?
[13:45] <flocculant> TopGear: yea
[13:46] <TopGear> flocculant, Oh, maybe that's supposed to be like that then. I just realized that, when I zoom in, all folder icons change, not just grow. Might've overseen that.
[13:47] <ducasse> TopGear: maybe the icon theme you are using hasn't got a special icon for that.
[13:47] <TopGear> ducasse, It's just the default icons I am using. Elementary Xfce darker.
[13:49] <ducasse> TopGear: weird. that doesn't happen here.
[13:51] <TopGear> ducasse, Here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/bD0VisZ.png
[13:51] <rinse_and_repeat> TopGear, also happens to me.
[13:51] <rinse_and_repeat> also fresh install
[13:52] <rinse_and_repeat> 15.04
[13:52] <flocculant> not sure what you think is the issue here?
[13:52] <TopGear> I tought the white paper icon next to Documents was a missing icon. Turns out it's the Documents-icon.
[13:52] <rinse_and_repeat> yeah it's a bit odd
[13:57] <flocculant> TopGear: aah ok - I'll wander off again then :)
[13:58] <TopGear> Yeah, there's nothing actually wrong apparentely. It was just confusing. Thanks!
[14:01] <flocculant> welcome :)
[14:10] <nikolam> How do I "Switch" user in Xubuntu now??
[14:11] <nikolam> I locked it to switch..
[15:20] <xubuntu91o> join
[15:20] <xubuntu91o> join
[15:20] <brianc_> ?
[16:37] <Zeioth> hi guys i'm experiencing a bug after install the version 15.10
[16:38] <Zeioth> it boots fine, but when LightDM shows my keyboard won't respond, and i can see the caret of the mouse blinking, but all freezes in about 10 seconds
[16:38] <Zeioth> this problem doesn't happen if i boot in secure mode
[16:39] <Zeioth> how should I start to debug this?
[16:40] <drc> Zeioth: Is this a fresh/new install, an upgrade or...?
[16:41] <Zeioth> it is an upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10 made using do-release-upgrade
[16:42] <drc> Zeioth: I have no knowledge of LightDM (don't actively use it).  Was just asking a question so the information might help someone who does.
[16:43] <drc> Just hang around, someone with more knowledge should be around soon(ish) :)
[16:46] <Zeioth> Since it works in recovery mode the reason must be a service or program loading on the start
[16:48] <Zeioth> someone running 15.10 without issues could please run "service --status-all" and paste the result in http://pastebin.com/ ?
[16:49] <drc> Zeioth: http://pastebin.com/zETJ4AKt
[16:50] <drc> Zeioth: That what you wanted?
[16:51] <Zeioth> yes thank you! I'm going to compare with my results
[17:01] <Zeioth> i disabled all our diferent services except ati drivers, lets see
[17:21] <jarnos> Is it ok to use today's daily xubuntu from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ instead of final 15.10 release? They seem to have different hash..
[17:22] <drc> jarnos: Most probably, I used yesterday's daily and had no problems with anything today after the update.
[17:23] <drc> However, I like to DL the -release and burn it for any further installs.
[17:23] <drc> And they should have different hashes, they <are> different.
[17:27] <drc> jarnos: Oh, sorry, misread the original question.  But the answer is still the same :)
[17:28] <drc> Most probably....
[17:29] <drc> But There is no daily for the 22nd...so I misread the misread.
[17:30] <drc> So the original answer stands...sorry for the confusion.
[17:39] <Zeioth> hmmm no luck so far
[17:40] <drc> Zeioth: I'm assuming you used the daily from the 21st?  32 or 64bit?
[17:41] <Zeioth> if i run "do-release-upgrade -c" it says is the last avaliable version
[17:41] <Zeioth> 64 bits
[17:42] <drc> OK, I know it works (I'm typing on a machine installed with that ISO) .
[17:43] <drc> Exactly what problems are you having?
[17:44] <drc> Wait, so the problem you are having is an <upgrade>, not an install?
[17:46] <sakrecoer_> trying to install xubuntu 15.10 on a machine with UEFI. i have no need for the windows that came along, so i booted the liveUSB, fine, Now chosing erase the disk and install ubuntu gives me a strange error, it can't mount the boot partition....
[17:47] <sakrecoer_> manual partition lead me to freeze when applying partition table.
[17:47] <sakrecoer_> what am i missing?
[17:47] <drc> OK.  1) I have absolutely no knowledge of QEFI. 2) Have you used the "check the media" option in the original boot menu to make sure the burn was good?
[17:48] <drc> s/QEFI/UEFI/
[17:48] <sakrecoer_> yes, no errors found
[17:48] <drc> So that's not the problem :)
[17:49] <sakrecoer_> seems not... but thanks for suggestion :)
[17:49] <flocculant> sakrecoer_: there aren't many people about currently, given that would be a generic issue rather than an Xubuntu one - you'll probably get help in #ubuntu just as easily
[17:49] <drc> sakrecoer_: You are going to have to wsait for someone with UEFI experience, sorry.
[17:50] <sakrecoer_> no problem :) thanks anyways guys! and congrat on the new release!
[17:50] <drc> Yeah...Works For Me (tm) :)
[17:50] <flocculant> sorry we're thin on the ground - many that hanh about here do #ubuntu as well :)
[17:50] <sakrecoer_> well.. maybe those congratulation sounded strange given my situation, but i mean it! thanks for being guys!
[17:51]  * sakrecoer_ slaps his fingers..
[17:51] <sakrecoer_> thanks for being xubuntu, guys
[17:51] <sakrecoer_> hehe
[17:51] <flocculant> :)
[17:52] <drc> sakrecoer_: flocculant was right, sounds like a non-exclusively xubuntu problem...more eyes in #ubuntu.
[17:52] <sakrecoer_> thanks!
[18:24] <itamagnano> Hi! Can someone help me? I have a problem: i've just installed Xubuntu 14.04.3 but it seems that it can't update. I tried to restart but no changes. I checked into the report and the problem is in aptdaemon 1.1.1-1ubuntu 5.2, type: crash, says that it can't decode a byte in a string. Sorry i can't paste this
[18:27] <itamagnano> And the unreportable reason is that some packages are old libexpat1 and tzdata
[18:28] <drc> If you need to paste long text, you can use http://paste.ubuntu.com
[18:38] <sakrecoer_> so fomrating /dev/sda1 to fat from NTSF made it!
[18:38] <sakrecoer_> sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
[18:38] <sakrecoer_> there seem to be no loading bar?...
[18:39] <sakrecoer_> the slide show is there, but no progess bar... well it seems to work..
[18:40] <drc> sakrecoer_:   weird...hope it works.
[18:42] <sakrecoer_> hehe... yea.. feels weird... like waiting for godot :D
[18:43] <drc> OK, any references to anything even smacking of culture belongs in -OT :)
[18:43] <sakrecoer_> sorry..
[18:43] <drc> It's lower your geekness score.
[18:43] <sakrecoer_> :D
[18:44]  * drc wonders i "godot" has even been mentioned here before?
[18:44] <sakrecoer_> drc! ;O your geek score!!!! ;)
[18:45] <drc> Hey. I had a minus score, so that's an improvement
[18:46] <sakrecoer_> haha!
[18:46] <drc> and this really is getting close to the line :)
[18:46] <sakrecoer_> maybe we get lucky and no one notices?
[18:46] <drc> ha!!!!!!!
[18:47] <sakrecoer_> ubottu, can you keep a seceret?
[18:47] <sakrecoer_> good
[18:51] <Bonn333> sakrecoer_: xD
[18:52] <sakrecoer_> godot arrived! thanks ver much for a humor filled assistance!
[18:53] <drc> np, enjoy.
[18:53] <sakrecoer_> cya! :)
[20:34] <evandrojr> Hi guy! At my house I have an annoying problem with my 2 laptops. The palm of my hand messes with my typing.
[20:35] <knome> evandrojr, remove the hand
[20:35] <evandrojr> I found out that if I run this 2 commands on the prompt the problem is fixed
[20:35] <drc> evandrojr: Are using a mouse instead of the trackpad?
[20:36] <evandrojr> very funny knome :)
[20:36] <evandrojr> drc I am using a touchpad
[20:36] <knome> you can turn the trackpad off or control the time for how long it is turned off after you stop typing
[20:37] <evandrojr> synclient PalmDetect=1 and synclient PalmMinWidth=3
[20:37] <evandrojr> fixes the problem for me, but I would like the prevent this problem for all the other users
[20:38] <evandrojr> Why that settings do not come as default for the distribution?
[20:40] <evandrojr> What is the setting to turn off the touchpad while I am typing. I remember I had that before but it if very annoying for games.
[20:43] <drc> evandrojr: Settings-> Devices-> Enable this device.
[20:44] <drc> or Settings-> Device->Touchpad->Disable touchpad while typing.
[20:44] <evandrojr> That was too easy! Sorry for my stupidity!
[20:46] <evandrojr> I was thinking I was going to send you a revolutionary patch or something like that. Make a better world for the Xubuntu user. NO WAY lol
[20:47] <evandrojr> knome, thank you very much for you help!
[20:47] <drc> evandrojr: You do know there is a way (that works for me at least) to disable the trackpad once you connect a USB mouse?
[20:49] <drc> (keeps me from mistakes when I tap the trtackpad absentmindedly, as I have a habit of doing).
[20:49] <evandrojr> I don't know. How do you do that?
[20:51] <evandrojr> Don't you guys think it would be nice to have this "turn of trackpad while typing" as the default option? Would make everyone's life easier
[20:51] <drc> Settings-> Removable Media->Input devices->Mice  type "synclient TouchPadOff=1" into the command area and click Auto...  The cexact ommand may vary depending on your trackpad
[20:52] <drc> It resets to use trackpad on reboot (or synclient TouchPadOff=0)
[20:55] <drc> Works For Me (tm) :)
[20:58] <evandrojr> drc the time to re-enable the touchpad after typing is ridiculous ! Too long! How can I fix that?
[21:00] <drc> The only thing I can think of is "Duration"  But I really have no idea, I don't use the trackpad.
[21:00] <sorinello> Hello. Any idea when the new release will be pushed into the source channels ? it seems my Xubuntu doesn't detect the new release
[21:02] <evandrojr> My xubuntu detected 15.10 and asked if I wanted to update
[21:02] <sorinello> did you ran apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:03] <sorinello> ah, I'm waiting a mirror from my country, maybe they didn't sync yet
[21:04] <evandrojr> I haven't updated because I was concerned with the Intel video driver. They usually are late to release the driver.
[21:05] <Unit193> sorinello: I take it you do have it prompt you for normal releases? (See /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades)
[21:06] <sorinello> Unit193, I have normal
[21:06] <sorinello> Prompt=normal
[21:07] <sorinello> I have a xubuntu and a xubuntu core OS'es
[21:07] <sorinello> I haven't run dist-upgrade, just apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <evandrojr> "Duration" worked perfectly I how come I did not see this option again.  Feeling stupid again....
[21:18] <evandrojr> Does anyone know if the Intel video driver is working well for movies on the 15.10? If there is no tearing at all?
[21:27] <sorinello> Unit193, so do you have any idea what I am missing ?
[21:28] <drc>  evandrojr: That would depend on what kernel you're using (probably the default), the version of the driver you are using (I use Nvidia and it shows 3 different drivers, I assume that intel also has multiple drivers), and your particular video card/chip.  So, no.
[21:29] <drc> No one probably does know for your specific situation.
[21:47] <mrkramps> intel only has one driver
[21:48] <mrkramps> and if you are affected by tearing you may try to enable the TearFree option for the dirver
[21:48] <drc> OK, now I know :)
[21:52] <drc> One driver?  So, they just lump everything, old cards, new cars and legacy cards all in one driver?  It must be either huge or not much changes in the intel world.
[21:54] <mrkramps> works pretty well
[21:55] <mrkramps> you have to change the acceleration method for older cards, but that's it
[21:55] <mrkramps> actually not for "older" cards, but rather for "old" ones
[21:55] <drc> Thank you, did not know that.
[22:05] <evandrojr> Thanks drc and mrkramps for the video info!
[22:20] <sorinello> Unit193, as a side note, xubuntu core doesn't seem to come with update-manager by default, so it must be installed if you want to upgrade to a newer version
[22:21] <drc> sorinello: IIRC, they expect if you're using -core, you'll know how to use the CLI :)
[22:22] <sorinello> drc, well core comes with xfce also :))
[22:22] <sorinello> but yes, you are right
[22:24]  * drc wonders waht any version of Xubuntu w/o xfce would be...Xubuntu-server? :)
[22:25] <drc> And with that...chow time!
[22:29] <function-> hey guys, anyone else experience the flickering when firing up google chrome? xubuntu 15.10 here
[23:49] <Zeioth> i had to do a clean reinstall but finally i got 15.10 working :D
[23:49] <Zeioth> and for some reason that fixed my opensource drivers, so it was for the best xD