[00:02] <Ian_Corne> well
[00:02] <Ian_Corne> first came tv ofcource
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> with the simpsons and friends and all other shows
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> everthing is subtitled here in Flanders (flemish part of belgium)
[00:05] <sebsebseb> hi
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> hey
[00:08] <sebsebseb> Ian_Corne: hey
[00:32] <DanaG> hmm, Oneiric upgrade is uninstallable, because it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop... but it won't tell me the actual dependency info.
[00:32] <DanaG> Where is that info logged?
[00:33] <jtaylor> probably just some archive inconsistency, wait a while
[00:33] <penguin42> is that from a gui or command line?
[00:35] <DanaG> Both update-manager and do-release-upgrade return the same failure.
[00:36] <DanaG> I do have some amount of third-party repo stuff, but I moved sources.list.d away temporarily.
[00:36] <DanaG> It should just fire up aptitude to try to resolve, or something. =þ
[00:36]  * penguin42 would try from the command line, it normally says more - or as jtaylor says, give it a while and try again
[00:37] <penguin42> DanaG: But if you've got 3rd party stuff in, I'd purge those first (using purge-ppa)
[00:37] <DanaG> Is there a log somewhere?
[00:38] <yofel> there is somewhere in /var/log/
[00:38] <DanaG> Ah, now I remember what I had third-party.... mainly just va-api stuff, I think.
[00:38] <DanaG> I tried building mplayer-vaapi myself, and it kept giving me "unknown parameter: -va"
[00:40] <penguin42> va?
[00:41] <DanaG> yeah, you have to do -vo vaapi -va vaapi
[00:41] <DanaG> or at least you did last time I tried.
[00:41] <penguin42> what is 'va'
[00:41] <DanaG> Beats me, but it was always required.  vo alone didn't do it.
[00:41] <penguin42> shrug
[00:41] <DanaG> For mplayer-vaapi.
[00:42] <DanaG> Anyway, I found /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[00:51] <DanaG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/671381/
[00:51] <DanaG> There's the apt.log.
[00:52] <DanaG> at-spi and gnome-orca.  Removing them now.
[00:57] <penguin42> anyway, bed
[01:01] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi/+bug/790240
[01:01] <DanaG> ah, no need to file a bug.. it's already there.
[01:10] <Ian_Corne> DanaG: I think all 3rd party repos get disabled automaticly when you do-release-upgrade, doesn't help with the purge tho
[01:10] <DanaG> Actually, I think my issue was that one.
[01:10] <DanaG> My gripe with the disabling third-party:
[01:11] <DanaG> It not only disables PPAs; it also switches from blazing-fast mirrors.kernel.org to slow archive.ubuntu.com.
[01:11] <Ian_Corne> :D
[01:15] <DanaG> Really, I'd say it should disable third-party only if the third-party doesn't have Ubuntu's official signature.
[01:39] <bjsnider> DanaG, the -va option means "video acceleration"
[01:39] <bjsnider> haven't seen you in here in a log time
[01:40] <DanaG> Yeah, I've been working at a company that's primarily Windows-based, and have been playing games when on the weekend.
[01:40] <DanaG> But I decided that I might as well try +1 on my laptop... and leave my server on Natty.
[01:40] <bjsnider> you escaped cal poly san luis obispo?
[03:26] <DanaG> hmm, issues with libc-bin...
[03:30] <DanaG> Woah, boatloads of dependency issues.
[03:30] <DanaG> Things like libgl1-mesa-glx.
[03:31] <DanaG> libc-bin conflicts with libc-bin
[03:33] <DanaG> Hmm, only aptitude is showing all that, when I try to dist-upgrade.
[03:33] <DanaG> It wants to remove darn near everything.
[03:35] <DanaG> How can a package conflict with itself?
[03:36] <DanaG> apt-get, on the other hand, is giving sane results.
[03:45] <DanaG>  './usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-0/changelog.Debian.gz' is different from the same file on the system
[03:46] <DanaG> ah, probably getlibs.
[03:54] <DanaG> rm'ing the file fixed it.
[03:59] <micahg> DanaG: aptitude doesn't seem to work with multiarch fully
[04:00] <DanaG> ah.
[04:00] <DanaG> hmm, would it be possible to, as a workaround, ignore non-native packages?
[04:00] <micahg> idk
[04:02] <DanaG> I'd imagine that'd be easier to do than making it fully support multiarch.
[04:02] <DanaG> s/making/to make/
[05:33] <DanaG> Argh, stupid X... makes my text tiny by ignoring my screen's real size.
[05:33] <DanaG> It's a feature!  Now I have a 20-inch laptop!
[05:33] <DanaG> Oh, and my panel is entirely missing.
[05:34] <DanaG> Ouch, that tiny text is already giving me a headache.
[05:38] <DanaG> Okay, so once I set it to 1.5 scaling (thanks to Xorg lying), the size 11 default is huge.
[05:40] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[05:45] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] Why is there a file /usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop although I never asked for KDE when I set up my Oneiric?
[05:46] <rww> the synaptic package contains .desktop files for GNOME and KDE, I'd assume.
[05:46] <rww> Probably because one uses gksudo and the other kdesudo
[05:48] <bullgard4_> Ah! Thank you.
[05:48] <jbicha> bullgard4_: it looks like the second to the last line in synaptic-kde.desktop is the answer also but I don't know what it means
[05:53] <bullgard4_> jbicha: The last line of my file synaptic-kde.desktop reads: "OnlyShowIn=KDE;". Do you refer tho this line of text?
[05:53] <bullgard4_> -h
[05:53] <jbicha> the line above that
[05:56] <bullgard4_> jbicha: The last but one line of my file synaptic-kde.desktop reads: "X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true". I do not know the function of the X-KDE-SubstituteUID flag.
[05:57] <jbicha> neither do I, but you can Google for it if you like
[06:05] <bullgard4_> I found an explanation here (although not explicitely for Ubuntu): https://features.opensuse.org/307769: "All YaST .destop files in /usr/share/applications/YaST2 use the "X-KDE-SubstituteUID" to make them running as root. X-KDE-SubstituteUID is a KDE only "workaround" for that only KDE is supposed to be able to understand. Really, also GNOME as very famous DE understand that."
[06:23] <vyshay> how can i get flashplayer working? http://pastebin.com/HT7cQ4xj
[06:28] <IdleOne> !flash64
[06:29] <vyshay> that page is really old
[06:30] <micahg> vyshay: how long have you been running oneiric?
[06:30] <vyshay> 2 weeks.  kubuntu
[06:31] <IdleOne> so what if it is old, it works (for me) running kubuntu
[06:31] <micahg> hmm, can you take a look at this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[06:32] <vyshay> trying it out...
[06:35] <vyshay> i think that's working!  thanks
[06:35] <micahg> vyshay: you're welcome
[08:14] <nperry> anyone else getting all the udev warnings on boot?
[08:14] <rww> yes
[08:18] <nperry> I'll assume there is already a bug report for it then?
[08:19] <nperry> As I can't remember the exact error to report it
[08:19] <nperry> and can't seem to find logs
[08:19] <rww> no idea, sorry :(
[08:20] <nperry> bug 829561
[08:20] <nperry> I think!
[08:46] <raju> hello i am using xubuntu 11.10 i am not getting sound in my system .previously it was played good . to attempt a call i have muted that  and again disabled the mute . but from that instant i am not getting sound. i have tried by restarting my system also
[08:46] <raju> please help on this
[08:52] <raju>  ....
[10:25] <Machtin> safe-upgrade wants to remove gstreamer0.10-camerabin{u}, is this replaced by something?
[10:29] <Ian_Corne> yes
[10:55] <Machtin> good :)
[11:16] <Peddy> jbicha, just dropping by to let you know I 'fixed' my oneric bug of the day - bug 744812. It made qt programs like clementine and smplayer ugly with the default font.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:42] <penguin42> hey
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I have a stack, double fault running after booting into my other pc ...can someone explain this to me ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> looks like it's checking or writing to the disk , but i've never seen this before so ....
[13:02] <ikonia> whats happening ?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Double fault 0000 (#incremental numbers scrolling by) SMP
[13:06] <ikonia> has something changed to cause this or did you always get it
[13:06] <penguin42> that's the fall out of whatever was the first message which will have long gone off the top
[13:06] <penguin42> hmph - this nspluginwrapper foul up is a pain
[13:07] <BluesKaj> never seen this before
[13:09] <BluesKaj> ikonia, my screen froze , lost use of KB and mouse , so I had to do a hard power down
[13:09] <ikonia> BluesKaj: so just randomly popped up
[13:09] <BluesKaj> upon reboot after grub
[13:09] <BluesKaj> that's when this happened
[13:10] <ari-tczew> if I have installed nvidia-current 280.13, how can I force it to got it enabled? Jockey shows - installed, not used
[13:11] <penguin42> hmph, annoying - downgrading nspluginwrapper doesn't help
[13:15] <BluesKaj> penguin42, check this out, it works on my pc, https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[13:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh but why doesn't downgrading both nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-installer work?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> penguin42, just remove nspluginwrapper
[13:18] <penguin42> yeh but I don't understand what just changed
[13:19] <BluesKaj> a more mature flashplugin , it runs without the plugin wrapper , maybe ?
[13:23] <penguin42> BluesKaj: no, that ppa is just the 64bit beta - not the same thing
[13:24] <BluesKaj> well penguin42 ,sorry , guess i misunderstood
[13:41] <zniavre> good afternoon
[13:41] <zniavre> im using OO with gnome-panel session
[13:42] <zniavre> but there  is bluetooth and network-applet icons missing
[13:42] <zniavre> like everybody using gnome-panel session?
[16:52] <auk> hello, is it just me or is flash currently broken in the repos?
[16:52] <penguin42> auk: Yes it is
[16:53] <BluesKaj> auk, there's afix on sevenmachines/launchpad
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> not really a fix
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> it's just the 64 bit version
[16:53] <BluesKaj> well it works
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> workaround
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> but it's better then using 32bit flash on 64 bit systems
[16:53] <BluesKaj> no nspluginwrapper needed
[16:55] <penguin42> Be careful about recommending the 64bit version - it's not obvious when it's security maintained
[16:55] <penguin42> and it's a beta that can disappear (it has done before)
[16:56] <auk> ok many thanks i'm going to go ahead and install from sevenmachines
[16:57] <auk> is this a recent development with the flash package or is it long-standing?
[16:57] <penguin42> auk: Last week
[16:57] <BluesKaj> well.I didn't realize that the wrapper ws being used at first but most system nowadays are 64bit
[16:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's because Adobe won't release the 64bit officially rather than as a Beta
[16:59] <BluesKaj> penguin42,  because it's a bit buggy or is it politics ?
[16:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Poltiics I think - at one point they pulled it completely; and the problem is you really need to keep up to date with Flash versions for security
[17:00] <bjsnider> this situation appears to have changed
[17:00] <penguin42> bjsnider: Where?
[17:00] <bjsnider> the alst 2 flash 11 releases have had both arches
[17:01] <penguin42> Adobe still list it as Beta on their site
[17:01] <bjsnider> flash 11 is at beta
[17:02] <bjsnider> so that is a misleading statement
[17:02] <bjsnider> i386 is also beta at the moment
[17:02] <penguin42> bjsnider: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/?no_redirect shows 64bit as a 'preview release'
[17:02] <penguin42> (for 10.x)
[17:03] <bjsnider> http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html
[17:04] <bjsnider> they are offering both amd64 and i386 side by side
[17:04] <penguin42> bjsnider: Right, so the interesting question is whether the 64bit will survive when it finally gets released
[17:04] <bjsnider> it looks like it will
[17:05] <penguin42> bjsnider: The flashplugin-installer packages only install release stuff not beta; and it'll be great if it does survive
[17:06] <bjsnider> well, the official stuff does that, but there are custom ppa versions, like mine and sevenmachines
[17:07] <bjsnider> and with oneiric multiarch should mean that everybody can use the i386 version if they want
[17:19] <fasta> How can I see the difference between a crashed Ubuntu and one which just takes eons of time to load?
[17:20] <fasta> Or: why is there no real progress bar or some escape hatch to show me what it is doing?
[17:21] <fasta> Also, it doesn't boot.
[17:26] <bjsnider> fasta, if you hit escape when the boot screen is appearing you can see what it's doing
[17:27] <fasta> bjsnider: OK, I see that, but I see all kinds of udev problems.
[17:28] <fasta> bjsnider: what happened to gnome-2.X in this version of Ubuntu?
[17:28] <fasta> bjsnider: i.e. Ubuntu Classic.
[17:29] <Ian_Corne> it is no longer supported
[17:29] <bjsnider> it isn't needed anymore
[17:29] <fasta> Why not?
[17:30] <fasta> Your 'new' interface is pretty broken and lacks any kind of polish compared to 2.X.
[17:30] <bjsnider> there's a 2d unity and a gnome-shell fallback
[17:30] <fasta> bjsnider: how does gnome-shell compare to gnome 2.x?
[17:31] <bjsnider> fasta, that's too general a question
[17:31] <bjsnider> you can try it for yourself if you want
[17:32] <fasta> bjsnider: is gnome-shell newer?
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> it's gnome3's default shell
[17:32] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is gnome-2's replacement
[17:32] <Ian_Corne> well, gnome-shell is gnome-panel's replacement, no? :p
[17:33] <Ian_Corne> gnome2 and 3 are just collections of packages, right?
[17:33] <fasta> Ok, and what about the ton of issues I have with simply booting my machine?
[17:33] <bjsnider> that's right
[17:33] <fasta> It takes about 5 minutes and human intervention to get to a desktop.
[17:33] <Ian_Corne> you're gonna have to be more cspecific fasta
[17:33] <fasta> Ian_Corne: where is the boot process logged?
[17:33] <bjsnider> i guess the easiest response is "it's alpha software, expect problems"
[17:34] <fasta> bjsnider: 11.04 also has problems.
[17:34] <fasta> bjsnider: 9.10 also had problems.
[17:34] <bjsnider> maybe on your system
[17:34] <fasta> bjsnider: on multiple systems.
[17:34] <bjsnider> not all hardware is as friendly to linux as we'd like
[17:34] <fasta> bjsnider: it has nothing to do with hardware.
[17:35] <fasta> bjsnider: these all were Ubuntu specific problems.
[17:35] <Ian_Corne> i've got a feeling you're just venting your rage
[17:35] <bjsnider> did they fix all the bugs you submitted?
[17:35] <Ian_Corne> use another distro then.
[17:35] <fasta> bjsnider: no
[17:35] <fasta> Ian_Corne: no, you should just say 'oh, do cat <blah/bootlog>
[17:35] <fasta> Ian_Corne: then I could give a dump of all the issues and then I assume someone would actually fix it.
[17:36] <fasta> Unless you want Ubuntu to keep sucking forever.
[17:36] <bjsnider> what did they do about the bugs you submitted?
[17:36] <fasta> bjsnider: they basically asked whether I could check it with a newer version...
[17:37] <fasta> bjsnider: because they never read the bugs in the first place. Way to go.
[17:37] <fasta> 1) Create a buggy system 2) Wait for users to get pissed 3) No users
[17:37] <Ian_Corne> dmesg is a good start to look at boot stuff, xorg log
[17:37] <fasta> Ian_Corne: what is wrong with that answer?
[17:38] <bjsnider> ubuntu has a lot more users than any other distro
[17:38] <Ian_Corne> well, if you would be a little friendlier, maybe i would have helped you with more joy
[17:38] <fasta> Ian_Corne: the answer is wrong, because there should simply be one command which will dump everything relevant to a file suitable for debugging.
[17:39] <fasta> Ian_Corne: this requires multiple user interactions, which is a sure sign of bad system design.
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> ugh
[17:39] <fasta> Every program should provide a reason for failing.
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> i'm out
[17:39] <fasta> A good reason.
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> And people shouldn't make war
[17:39] <fasta> Not some lame excuse because some lame programmer was too lazy writing the program right the first time.
[17:40] <penguin42> fasta: Writing big programs is hard! Yes some of the bugs in Ubuntu are silly, but hey all the programmers are human
[17:40] <fasta> penguin42: writing big programs is easy.
[17:40] <fasta> penguin42: I know, because I did.
[17:40] <bjsnider> what program?
[17:40] <fasta> bjsnider: nothing which is open-source.
[17:40] <fasta> bjsnider: well, I did write some patches.
[17:40] <bjsnider> photoshop?
[17:41] <Ian_Corne> :p
[17:41] <fasta> bjsnider: no, not photoshop.
[17:41] <bjsnider> microsoft turd?
[17:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> bjsnider, :P
[17:41] <fasta> bjsnider: ....
[17:41] <bjsnider> windows internet exploder?
[17:42] <fasta> I think it is just epic failure if in 2011 you are not able to boot an extremely standard Intel processor successfully.
[17:42] <bjsnider> yeah but this is alpha software
[17:42] <fasta> All the involved standards are years old.
[17:42] <Ian_Corne> and it's not just the processor..
[17:43] <fasta> All the hardware is fine.
[17:43] <fasta> It is the higher level stuff which messes up things.
[17:43] <penguin42> fasta: The problem is that the testing tends to be done on a relatively small set of hardware, especially not older stuff
[17:43] <fasta> The drivers are pretty good too.
[17:43] <fasta> (They still suck, but they are not the main problem).
[17:43] <fasta> It are the programmers that do the 'glueing together of stuff' that are the problem.
[17:43] <bjsnider> the drivers are pretty good but they suck
[17:44] <fasta> bjsnider: I have high standards.
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> and a bad attitude
[17:44] <fasta> (which incidentally is the problem with Ubuntu(
[17:44] <fasta> )
[17:44] <bjsnider> i say get in the trenches and fix the problems yourself. you clearly have the ability
[17:44] <Ian_Corne> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ go, implement your own high standards
[17:44] <penguin42> fasta: Please don't come here and just moan about things!
[17:44] <BluesKaj> fast doyou have any positive ideas to help the situation or....?
[17:45] <penguin42> fasta: Feel free to fix things though so that they do meet your standards
[17:45] <fasta> bjsnider: the reason likely is that there is no incentive for me to fix all the broken systems introduced by others.
[17:45] <bjsnider> well, getting your system working to your own satisfaction is reason enough, no?
[17:46] <kyubutsu> no
[17:46] <BluesKaj> fasta, so you say others should have the incentive . but not you ?
[17:46] <fasta> BluesKaj: there is a company behind it, no?
[17:46] <kyubutsu> fastaOS will top the charts when it comes out in 2055
[17:46] <penguin42> fasta: I agree it is depressing when lots of things are broken - I don't know a good way to stop it happening though; the problem is that there is a lot of requirement for drivers for new hardware and new features (that IMHO aren't great) but that doesn't necessarily let stuff stabilise
[17:47] <bjsnider> i would use fastaos
[17:47] <Tetsuo55> its fairly easy to prevent it
[17:47] <fasta> Writing an OS takes about a month or so.
[17:47]  * BluesKaj throws fasta a crying towel
[17:47] <bjsnider> what would it cost me to run it?
[17:47] <Tetsuo55> you just need a good and compelete toolcycle
[17:47] <kyubutsu> there, i gave you plenty of time for perfection, fasta
[17:48] <Tetsuo55> all patches need to go through a codereview, like gerrit, then a buildbot tries to compile it, and when that works it runs unit tests
[17:48] <bjsnider> took microsoft 6 years to write vista
[17:48] <fasta> kyubutsu: by that time you are already replaced by a machine anyway.
[17:48] <bjsnider> 6 years and $4 billion
[17:48] <fasta> bjsnider: because they do backwards compatibility.
[17:48] <Tetsuo55> the only hard part is getting a builbot for all the more common hardware configurations
[17:49] <fasta> bjsnider: and because they put all kinds of pointless stuff into their OS.
[17:49] <Tetsuo55> but i guess you could talk to the bigger manufacturers about that
[17:49] <Tetsuo55> and we need more people calling up the hardware manufacters to demand proper open source data and drivers
[17:50] <Tetsuo55> (even on other os's like windows)
[17:50] <fasta> I don't care about open source. We need protocols that are defined.
[17:50] <kyubutsu> :(
[17:51] <fasta> The protocols are about specifications. A pile of code means nothing by itself.
[17:51] <Tetsuo55> when you make defined protocols for hardware and drivers, your already 90% open source
[17:51] <Tetsuo55> the protocols and specs are mostly closed source right now
[17:51] <bjsnider> so you don't care if the process of defining the protocols is open or if an organization like apple just comes out and says 'this is the way it is'
[17:51] <Tetsuo55> and all the drivers already supposedly follow linux kernel specs perfectly
[17:52] <fasta> bjsnider: you are just a troll.
[17:52] <kyubutsu> :o
[17:52] <bjsnider> i are?
[17:53] <kyubutsu> whoa.. thought this was -offtopic for a second
[17:53] <kyubutsu> :o
[17:53] <fasta> bjsnider: yes, because I never said that.
[17:53] <Tetsuo55> if you guys are serious about this stuff
[17:53] <Tetsuo55> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/
[17:53] <Tetsuo55> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?page_id=407
[17:53] <bjsnider> you said you didn't care about open source
[17:54] <Tetsuo55> thats a book and blog by an ex-microsoft employee that focusss on the big problems like kernel instability
[17:54] <kyubutsu> guys, ubuntu-offtopic is over there --->
[17:54] <Tetsuo55> hes also contacted linus several times
[17:55] <Tetsuo55> he also targets ubuntu directly, saying that more should be invested in bug-fixing devs
[17:55]  * penguin42 has some sympathy with that - I wouldn't mind a primarily bug fix release
[17:55]  * BluesKaj thinks there's , about trollstransference going on here
[17:55] <bjsnider> canonical doesn't have unlimited resources
[17:56] <penguin42> say one in every 5 releases; no new features (except keeping up with current hardware), just fixes
[17:57] <BluesKaj> kyubutsu, nope it's over here on my client <-----  :)
[17:57] <fasta> AFAIK, hardware didn't change in the past 30 years in any significant way.
[17:57] <kyubutsu> then go debian, and come to ubuntu+1 for giggles and fun, penguin42
[17:57] <kyubutsu> :-P
[17:58] <fasta> It is just a leadership problem.
[17:58] <penguin42> fasta: That's not true - it's much more complex to get a PC to do everything these days unless you want to only run text mode
[17:58] <penguin42> fasta: Just to interact with a USB keyboard is 10s of times harder than an old PS/2 one as a simple example
[17:58] <fasta> penguin42: and why is it so hard?
[17:58] <penguin42> kyubutsu: Well except Debian doesn't either!
[17:58] <fasta> penguin42: not because it is inherently hard.
[17:59] <penguin42> fasta: No, it's because there are more layers of protocol in the hardware/firmware - and the OS has to deal with them
[17:59] <penguin42> fasta: But people expect more these days; they expect suspend/resume, they expect hot plug USB devices, error recovery on SATA, etc
[17:59] <penguin42> fasta: They expect that when they plug in their printer that the right driver gets loaded - not that everything is just an FX-80 like it was 30 years ago!
[17:59] <kyubutsu> 19 million lines of kernel code cant be wrong!
[18:00] <kyubutsu> >:(
[18:00] <penguin42> kyubutsu: Well....
[18:00] <BluesKaj> one would think the ppl here are getting paid to fix things , from your attiude fasta , take it to canonical and be done with it
[18:01] <fasta> kyubutsu: yes, they can.
[18:01] <penguin42> fasta: They expect power saving features, they expect it to run well on multi core processors, on machines with 512MB RAM (e.g. a netbook/tablet) and machines with 128GB RAM, work off an SD card and a vast fibre channel storage array - doing all that is hard!
[18:02] <penguin42> fasta: Now personally those things are more important to me than pretty GUI but hey
[18:02] <fasta> penguin42: well, I disagree that doing that is hard.
[18:02] <penguin42> fasta: Hah  - then we agree to disagree!
[18:02] <fasta> penguin42: all of that might be 'work', but it is not a hard scientific problem.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I think you've just been trolled :)
[18:02] <kyubutsu> penguin42: you forgot to mention wifi connectivity
[18:03] <kyubutsu> :(
[18:03] <penguin42> kyubutsu: Oh yeh that's about a billion lines of code...
[18:03]  * penguin42 prefers ether - you know where your packets are going with ether
[18:03] <fasta> The only hard part is artificial barriers like not telling what the hardware does in the first place.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> this is going nowhere ...bbl
[18:03] <fasta> Perhaps also broken hardware, which doesn't meet the spec, but those items should simply not work.
[18:04] <fasta> They should be returned to the store.
[18:04] <fasta> E.g. all realtek chips should never ever have existed in the first place.
[18:04] <fasta> Linux uses tons of code to work around all kinds of problems, but then there are still cases in which it might not work.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> where's the OT cops ? !
[18:05] <fasta> I will stop.
[18:08] <bjsnider> you don't work for realtek in the publicity dept. i guess
[18:08] <fasta> So, I have failed to execute '/lib/udev/input_id' input_id /devices/<lots of stuff>'.
[18:09] <fasta> Just tell me why that should possibly happen.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> my realtek chip works ok, except there's nosimultaneous analog and digital audio output
[18:09] <fasta> I also get mtrr: type mismatch for e0000000, 100000000 old: write-back new: write-combining.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> but I can't expect mush from an entry level integrated soundard
[18:10] <penguin42> fasta: I think the mtrr stuff is normally BIOS bugs that the kernel fixes
[18:10] <BluesKaj> mush heh =much
[18:10] <fasta> penguin42: ah, so you are saying that before it did work and with an Ubuntu change it doesn't work anymore that it really is the BIOS fault?
[18:11] <fasta> penguin42: generally Linux doesn't work that way; it tries to work arounds things.
[18:11] <penguin42> fasta: Possibly; that mtrr message is just a warning though; I don't think it should be a killer
[18:11] <fasta> penguin42: it is not a killer, since if I wait a few minutes I can boot just fine.
[18:11] <fasta> penguin42: however, gdm does not start automatically.
[18:12] <fasta> penguin42: so, I have to do that manually and if I do that, I can get a KDE session.
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> fasta: install lightdm
[18:12] <penguin42> fasta: I doubt the mtrr stuff is causing that (bad MTRR settings can cause stuff to run **very** slowly - i.e. cache off - but I doubt thats the cause here)
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> it's the new greeter for 11.10
[18:12] <fasta> But the fact that I need to do all of this, is pretty insane.
[18:12] <penguin42> fasta: Yeh you shouldn't have to - it's a bug if you're having to; but hey +1 is still in Alpha
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> for an alpha release?
[18:12] <Ian_Corne> No it's not insane.
[18:13] <fasta> Ian_Corne: what would that help?
[18:13] <Ian_Corne> isntalling lightdm?
[18:13] <fasta> Ian_Corne: yes
[18:13] <penguin42> fasta: I'd say the udev stuff sounds more of an issue - I've seen some stuff happen with broken udev config files (e.g. added for special devices like scanners or mobile phones) that were broken config files
[18:13] <fasta> Ian_Corne: I already did, though.
[18:13] <Ian_Corne> enable it as the default greeter
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> and check if it works now
[18:14]  * penguin42 gets dinner
[18:14] <fasta> penguin42: ok, I did that now.
[18:14] <fasta> Ian_Corne: ok, I did that now.
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> what's in your /etc/udev/rules.d?
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> there shouldn't be to much in there
[18:14] <fasta> The udev stuff is also pretty impossible to debug.
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> well check that direcotry
[18:14] <Ian_Corne> directory
[18:15] <fasta> It should say 'file /hadasdasdasd/dasdas/dadasdas/d.sh' had a non-zero exit status.
[18:15] <Ian_Corne> as penguin42 stated you could be using broken config files
[18:15] <Ian_Corne> but it doesn't so no sense in complaining here about it
[18:15] <Ian_Corne> write a bugreport, send a msg to the udev maintainer mailing list
[18:15] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu-bug udev
[18:16] <Ian_Corne> is the command
[18:16] <fasta> Ian_Corne: likely it is just a matter of deleting some files for my system.
[18:16] <fasta> (all of these problems could have been stopped at compile time, btw)
[18:17] <fasta> Er prevented*
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> compiletime?
[18:17] <Ian_Corne> installation time
[18:17] <fasta> Ian_Corne: no, at compile time.
[18:18] <fasta> Anyway, that's again another discussion.
[18:18] <fasta> Can I force it to continue somewhat faster?
[18:18] <Ian_Corne> so they should check, when they do the build of the package, if there are any wrong files on YOUR system?
[18:18] <fasta> It seems there is some time out going on.
[18:18] <bjsnider> fasta, do you know there are actual channels where you can talk to the devs about these concerns?
[18:18] <bjsnider> such as #ubuntu-devel, and #ubuntu-motu
[18:18] <Ian_Corne> fasta: i asked you to list the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> but you still didn't respond
[18:19] <fasta> Ian_Corne: you also asked me to reboot my computer.
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> when?
[18:19] <fasta> Ian_Corne: and it so happens that it still didn't gave me the new window.
[18:19] <fasta> Ian_Corne: saying whether I want to 'resume' booting.
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> window?
[18:19] <Ian_Corne> ah
[18:20] <fasta> Ian_Corne: so, this is a boot with that other dm installed.
[18:20] <fasta> Ian_Corne: now I have the resume dialog.
[18:21] <Ian_Corne> ok
[18:21] <fasta> Ian_Corne: there are just 70-perseistent-cd.rules and 70-persistent-net.rules and README
[18:21] <fasta> Ian_Corne: modulo that typo.
[18:21] <Ian_Corne> ok, so nothing fishy there
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> well, my next step would be to do "ubuntu-bug udev"
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> it will collect the logs files and create a bug report on launchpad
[18:22] <Ian_Corne> more knowledgeable people will help you there
[18:25] <fasta> I think I am just going to recompile my kernel myself.
[18:25] <fasta> Likely someone has already fixed it (as always).
[18:25] <Ian_Corne> you think it's a kernel problem?
[18:26] <fasta> Ian_Corne: yes, I think so.
[18:26] <fasta> lightdm is pretty useless, imho.
[18:56] <Gamoder> Hi - I wonder whether 11.10 will be supporting significantly more (and/or better) hardware than the current 11.04 does (especially regarding Nvidia Optimus and some «Multitouch»-Touchpads)
[18:59] <penguin42> Gamoder: I don't know, but if you knew which program/package deals with it then it might be possible to look at the changelog for that package
[19:01] <Gamoder> Unfortunately I don't think I know that - and since I am currently not using mentioned new-hardware notebook I can't look it up now
[19:04] <DanaG> Speaking of touchpads, I wish somebody would address this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/546697
[19:05] <DanaG> There's precisely one Windows driver that unlocks multi-finger detection on ALL touchpads... so we need to figure out how it's doing that.
[19:05] <Gamoder> strange - I had no problems using «multitouch» (well - two-finger-scroll/tap - which is all I need) with my old notebook
[19:06] <DanaG> And speaking of scrolling, Gnome really needs an option to enable BOTH kinds of scrolling.
[19:07] <Gamoder> you mean scrolling both on the edge and using two fingers? Well - i personally don't need it, but of course it would be nice. But hey, it's Gnome and not KDE, so ...
[19:08] <DanaG> For me, I need it if I want to use a magic trackpad with my laptop.
[19:08] <DanaG> Internal touchpad won't do two-finger (at least, in Linux, or in any other Windows driver).
[19:08] <Gamoder> Magic trackpad = the thing you can do finger gestures on?
[19:09] <DanaG> So either I get two-finger on magic trackpad and NO SCROLLING AT ALL on internal,
[19:09] <DanaG> Or I get edge-scrolling on both.
[19:09] <Gamoder> ah, ok
[19:09] <Gamoder> So I'd prefer edge-scrolling on both :-)
[19:09] <DanaG> I'd prefer to have both on both.
[19:09] <DanaG> With that one magic Windows driver, I have two-finger and edge scrolling on the internal touchpad.
[19:09] <Gamoder> ok - but actually, for my new notebook, I would like to have at least one of all these options :-)
[19:10] <DanaG> The Windows driver for the magic trackpad suck too much, though.
[19:10] <DanaG> lost an 's' there.
[19:10] <Gamoder> yeah - Windows mouse acceleration is somewhat strange, I think
[19:11] <DanaG> The internal touchpad, on the other hand, is great in Windows.
[19:11] <DanaG> Magic Trackpad's driver is deliberately garbage.
[19:11] <DanaG> Can't even right-click properly.
[19:14] <DanaG> Anyway, what kind of touchpad do you have?
[19:14] <DanaG> Recent Synaptics?
[19:15] <Gamoder> Some kind of Alps Touchpad, I think
[20:50] <mongy> ok I am trying out alpha3.  how can I change font sizes?
[20:52] <Ian_Corne> i think via ubuntu-tweak
[20:53] <Ian_Corne> or something along those lines
[20:53] <penguin42> scary that doesn't seem doable by default
[20:53] <rww> !info gnome-tweak-tool
[20:54] <rww> ubuntu tweak is a different thing :)
[20:54] <Ian_Corne> idd penguin42
[20:55] <rww> psh, why would normal users /ever/ want to change the font size. /s
[21:00] <mongy> because its just huge
[21:01] <mongy> first thing I do since unity is reduce font and reduce the big wedge that is the launcher
[21:05] <Dimmuxx> reducing font size is always one of the first things I do on a fresh ubuntu install
[21:05] <htorque> gnome devs should consider renaming that tool. "tweak" is a synonym for "screw up your system". no windows user will ever try it. :P
[21:06] <DanaG> Yeah, the default font size, assuming CORRECT DPI, is huge.
[21:06] <Gamoder> Hmm ... not that bad for me
[21:06] <DanaG> Unfortunately, Xorg pulls screen dimensions out of its butt to make up a hardcoded 96 DPI.
[21:06] <DanaG> So I now have a 20-inch laptop!  It's a feature!
[21:07] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[21:07] <DanaG> I booted Ubuntu, and bam, instant headache from the tiny font size.
[21:07] <ali1234> DanaG: it only does that when used with broken hardware and/or drivers
[21:08] <ali1234> unless you use KDE, then anything can happen
[21:09] <ali1234> if i didn't have a 24" monitor i would definitely want to decrease the font size
[21:09] <htorque> so, only in the common case. :P i'm a bit sad you can only change a "text-scaling-factor" instead of the dpi setting...
[21:10] <Gamoder> I never have wanted to decrease the font size
[21:10] <penguin42> is fairly sure people often want to increase stuff if they have bad eyes or a high res display
[21:10] <Gamoder> But a problem is that even for a given font size, GTK (at least the default sytle) needs much space - especially visible when comparing Windows-Eclipse VS Gnome-Eclipse
[21:18] <diverse_izzue> my nautilus hangs upon opening a file properties dialog. anyone else?
[21:20] <DanaG> ali1234: wrong.
[21:20] <DanaG> It actively lies.
[21:20] <DanaG> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[21:21] <ali1234> works for me
[21:55] <dupondje> Damn Empathy
[21:55] <dupondje> its like the most crashing app :s
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Power Night o/
[22:09] <BUGabundo> does this work for anyone? http://madebyevan.com/webgl-water/
[22:13] <etph987> anyone know a hack to get classic gnome on 11.10?
[22:13] <rww> !info gnome-session-fallback
[22:13] <rww> assuming "something that looks moderately like GNOME 2" counts as "classic gnome"
[22:13] <rww> since there is no GNOME 2 on oneiric
[22:13] <etph987> unity drives me crazy, got classic running on 11.04
[22:14] <Ian_Corne> etph987: have you looked at lxde?
[22:15] <etph987> like kde
[22:16] <etph987> is there a way of upgrading to gnome 3 in 11.04?
[22:17] <rww> !gnome3
[22:17] <rww> oh, right, #ubuntu+1
[22:17]  * rww sighs
[22:17] <rww> etph987: /msg ubottu !gnome3
[22:18] <Ian_Corne> etph987: there's a ppa
[22:18] <Ian_Corne> BUT
[22:18] <Ian_Corne> i wouldn't do it
[22:18] <etph987> how come? lan_Come
[22:19] <Ian_Corne> Ian Corne
[22:19] <Ian_Corne> ;-)
[22:19] <rww> as I said, /msg ubottu !gnome3
[22:19] <Ian_Corne> because when I tried it, it didn't work well and broke unity and gnome-classic
[22:20] <etph987> ohh k
[22:20] <Ian_Corne> but rww has to tell you something
[22:20] <Ian_Corne> :p
[22:21] <etph987> ubottu !gnome3
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> no, he said /msg ubottu !gnome3
[22:22] <rww> doesn't work in here, there's a !gnome3-#ubuntu+1. hence me saying /msg.
[22:22] <Ian_Corne> It basicly says what I said, didn't know :)
[23:33] <BUGabundo> nite tech world
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> gn
[23:34] <alex-mayorga> I got caught in the multiarch changes, any easy fix?
[23:34] <alex-mayorga> !multiarch
[23:34] <jtaylor> whats your issue?
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> i guess the ndiswrapper?
[23:35] <alex-mayorga> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade fails with Unable to resolve dependencies for the upgrade: no solution found.
[23:35] <jtaylor> did you enable multiarch?
[23:36] <alex-mayorga> yup, followed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[23:36] <poolie> hi
[23:36] <poolie> is it just me or is it really hard to resize windows on oneiric unity
[23:36] <poolie> if they don't have a resize grab handle within the window
[23:36] <jtaylor> yes some don't have it
[23:37] <jtaylor> there were some complaints about them, apparently someone caved :(
[23:37] <jtaylor> I liked them
[23:37] <jtaylor> alex-mayorga: can you give more detail
[23:39] <alex-mayorga> I got bitten by bug 357965
[23:39] <alex-mayorga> that lead to bug 830526
[23:39] <jtaylor> thats a old bug :O
[23:39] <alex-mayorga> so I followed https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html
[23:40] <alex-mayorga> no my regular aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade is not working
[23:40] <alex-mayorga> just looking for a fix, if any
[23:40] <jtaylor> what does apt-get dist-upgrade say`
[23:41] <alex-mayorga> jtaylor: 35 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 11 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:41] <alex-mayorga> let me go that route, thanks
[23:41] <jtaylor> check what it removes
[23:41] <jtaylor> dist-upgrade is not safe
[23:42] <alex-mayorga> brltty-x11 gir1.2-unity-3.0 gnome-mag gstreamer0.10-camerabin libatspi1.0-0
[23:42] <alex-mayorga>   libgjs0b liblightdm-gobject-0-0 libntfs-3g75 libpulse-browse0
[23:42] <alex-mayorga>   lightdm-greeter-example-gtk ntfsprogs
[23:42] <alex-mayorga> shall I cancel?
[23:43] <poolie> jtaylor, were you replying to me about resizing?
[23:43] <jtaylor> yes
[23:43] <jtaylor> but I know nothing about it
[23:43] <alex-mayorga> poolie: I think there's a known issue about 1 pixel borders
[23:43] <jtaylor> alex-mayorga: seems safe
[23:44] <alex-mayorga> jtaylor: thanks! I'm upgrading right now
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> alex-mayorga: show us what it's going to install too
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> newly
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> i think ntfsprogs doesn't have a replacement, which is normal and brltty either
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> the rrest should have a replacement
[23:45] <Ian_Corne> but as long as ubuntu-desktop isn't removed, you should keep a working system I think
[23:45] <miki>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[23:46] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/672005/
[23:46] <Ian_Corne> ah kernel updates! good :)
[23:47] <alex-mayorga> should I go ahead?
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> think so
[23:47] <jtaylor> yes looks fine
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> I did these updates before too
[23:47] <alex-mayorga> thanks guys
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> except the kernel
[23:47] <Ian_Corne> don't know about that
[23:48] <jtaylor> kernell upgrades are usually safe
[23:48] <jtaylor> as they don't remove the old one
[23:48] <jtaylor> if it breaks, boot the old one
[23:48] <alex-mayorga> yup, would let you know
[23:49] <alex-mayorga> for now my system is Flash free, due to google-talkplugin
[23:49] <alex-mayorga> dunno if that's a bod or good thing :)
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> jtaylor: but they can break your gfx blob
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> because dkms doesn't install for the older kernels
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> alex-mayorga: alot of websites still use flash, so i dunno
[23:50] <poolie> how am i supposed to tab between windows within a single application?
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> if you can live without, good for you
[23:50] <rww> poolie: Alt-`
[23:50] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne: only thing I miss id grooveshark.com
[23:50] <rww> poolie: might be Alt-keyAboveTab, dunno, but it's ` on my keyboard
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> yeah didn't even realise it used flash
[23:50] <Ian_Corne> alex-mayorga: you're on 64bit?
[23:51] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne: yup
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> 64 bit beta flash plugin
[23:51] <alex-mayorga> wait, the dist upgrade is pulling Flash now
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> it's pretty stable
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> ah
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> also good
[23:51] <Ian_Corne> i like the 64 bit one better then the 32bit+ndis
[23:52] <alex-mayorga> it crapped again with: nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> yeah it's broken :p
[23:52] <jtaylor> it didn't install any i386 libs
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> idd
[23:52] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne: let me try the 64 bit Flash
[23:52] <poolie> rww that's what i guessed, since that's it on mac, but it doesn't work for me
[23:52] <alex-mayorga> I do miss the music down here :(
[23:53] <poolie> jtaylor, right, bug 160311, a very popular bug
[23:53] <rww> poolie: open Alt-tab, tab to application you want, then start doing Alt-`. That worked for me yesterday.
[23:53] <alex-mayorga> anyone else with now scroll arrows on Terminal windows?
[23:53] <rww> I was wondering who originally had the bad idea for that behavior, btw. Utterly unsurprised to hear that it came from OS X
[23:54] <poolie> rww
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> ugh ` tabbing
[23:54] <poolie> wow, that's kind of cool but not very discoverable
[23:54] <alex-mayorga> Ian_Corne: mind walking me the PPA route, please?
[23:54] <poolie> also, why not make it look at the top level?
[23:54] <Ian_Corne> it's awful, i'm on azerty
[23:55] <jtaylor> apt-add-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> alex-mayorga: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> done
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> ok jtaylor !
[23:55] <jtaylor> update, install flashplugin64-installer
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> steal my thunder why don't you!
[23:55] <jtaylor> ._.
[23:55] <Ian_Corne> :)
[23:57] <jtaylor> no one using opera here or?
[23:57] <jtaylor> because my flash is broken with opera
[23:57] <jtaylor> but works fine with other browsers
[23:59] <alex-mayorga> jtaylor: not here


[14:42] <Nived> Hello
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[14:56] <HighFlyingHugh> So who's In and Who's Out - Brexit ?
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[15:02] <HighFlyingHugh> QUESTION: Which Ubuntu App is the Wifi radar/Scanner App to see which bands are being used ?
[15:04] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Snappy is included in Ubuntu 16.04, does that mean Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Gnome, etc. also have it included?
[15:04] <AlSubaieN> hello
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[15:08] <HighFlyingHugh> Hi cm-t_
[15:08] <HighFlyingHugh> o/
[15:09] <cm-t_> Hey o/
[15:09] <carmaduck> QUESTION: is there an ubuntu sdk snap that can be installed on arch?
[15:10] <copypasta> Hi
[15:10] <mariogrip> QUESTION: sorry that i ask about this but, lower your pitchfork, and tell me a bit about OVH vs Ubuntu/canonical
[15:10] <ahoneybun> dragonbite: I've just used it for Telegram to success with Kubuntu
[15:11] <cm-t_> Ohhh, forgot, i've to move, LoCo meeting :(
[15:11] <cm-t_> Will drop that:
[15:11] <ahoneybun> nice cm-t_
[15:11] <cm-t_> Question: Popeydc, what's the weather in Paris this evening ? :D
[15:11] <copypasta> QUESTION: I've been playing with snapcraft and it looks fine, but essentally, can you explain the difference between xdg-apps and snaps?
[15:11] <davidcalle> cm-t_: nice one :)
[15:11] <cm-t_> ^^
[15:12]  * dholbach <3 popey
[15:13] <dshimer> QUESTION: I could be wrong but it seems like you can only update individual snaps one at a time. Am I wrong, is there a design reason for that or will there be a way to dist-upgrade your snaps some day?
[15:15] <nik011> QUESTION: what languages does snapcraft support, and will there come new ones?
[15:15] <ahoneybun> popey: your voice is robotic in mycroft
[15:16] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: popey's voice is amazing! i would love to have him in my mycroft
[15:17] <ahoneybun> he is the default
[15:17] <carmaduck> QUESTION: how launchpad build a snap? like a ppa or sumthing
[15:17] <dholbach> twitter.com/snapcraftio
[15:17] <dholbach> facebook.com/snapcraftio
[15:17] <dholbach> http://google.com/+SnapcraftIo
[15:20] <dshimer> QUESTION: What is the status of scheduling some of the great interview ideas discussed at UOS?
[15:21] <kz6fittycent> QUESTION: Are there any tutorials for building SNAPS that you'd recommend?
[15:22] <dragonbite> Yup!
[15:22] <popey> https://github.com/kyrofa/nextcloud-snap/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml
[15:24] <dragonbite> Cool!  Looks like a great place to start!  Thanks!
[15:26] <HighFlyingHugh> QUESTION: What is the situ. with buying an Ubuntu phone at the moment. ? Recently heard its impossible .
[15:27] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Can you have multiple versions of the same snap, so you can have your old snap there when you try your new snap and if it doesn't work just switch back?
[15:28] <ahoneybun> HighFlyingHugh: depends on your area, if your in the USA the Nexus 4 can be loaded with it with 3G speed, the Meizu Pro 5 can get 4G in some areas but you'll get no 3G so you'll drop to 2G
[15:32] <kz6fittycent> ahoneybun, so the Meizu Pro 5 "will" get LTE speeds in the US?
[15:33] <ahoneybun> kz6fittycent: on some carriers in some areas I BELIEVE
[15:33] <ahoneybun> the bands are there
[15:33] <kz6fittycent> hmmm ahoneybun
[15:33] <kz6fittycent> I may pull the trigger...
[15:33] <dragonbite> any idea on which carriers (Verizon, AT&T, T-mobile)?
[15:33] <ahoneybun> well the phone is GSM so eith AT&T/T-Mobile
[15:34] <ahoneybun> perhaps the smaller carriers based on them
[15:34] <ahoneybun> you'll be on 2G in some places where 4G is not
[15:34] <kz6fittycent> ahoneybun, are you running the N4?
[15:34] <ahoneybun> I've had the N4 till it died kz6fittycent
[15:35] <ahoneybun> in the US
[15:35] <kz6fittycent> ah
[15:35] <ahoneybun> might get another one soon on the weeekend
[15:35] <ahoneybun> *weekend
[15:35] <kz6fittycent> ahoneybun, you know the odd thing about LTE and the N4 is that I CAN/DO get it with Android and the hybrid radios.... but NOT on uTouch.
[15:36] <ahoneybun> kz6fittycent: mhall119 tried that and he said that it caused the device to reboot a lot
[15:36] <kz6fittycent> with android or uTouch? ahoneybun
[15:36] <ahoneybun> it does work on Ubuntu Touch but reboots
[15:36] <ahoneybun> alot he said
[15:37] <nik011> QUESTION: any new ubuntu touch devices coming soon?
[15:37] <dshimer> QUESTION: Popey, is your participation in things like Linux Unplugged or the Ubuntu Podcast something you consider "part of the job" to some extent or just something you enjoy?  Are there other podcasts or public venues you join regularly?
[15:37] <kz6fittycent> ahoneybun, I've flashed the hybrid radio(s) and it works fine, just no LTE
[15:37] <ahoneybun> mm there should be LTE in most areas
[15:37] <ahoneybun> unless your in the middle of nowhere
[15:38] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: flashing the unlocked radio and tweaking the ofono configs allowed me to get LTE "working" on ubuntu on Nexus 4
[15:38] <mhall119> but it was horribly unstable
[15:38] <kz6fittycent> I don't get LTE anywhere with uTouch on the N4. Android, no issue,same radio
[15:38] <ahoneybun> thanks mhall119
[15:38] <ahoneybun> I have it on my desktop popey
[15:38] <mhall119> I also didn't get LTE signal everywhere that it was available, so I suspect the radio wasn't compatible with all frequencies
[15:38] <mariogrip> popey: what's the whether like in norway?
[15:39] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, ah! So, you tweaked the ofono entries...
[15:39] <mhall119> kz6fittycent: yeah, I don't remember what or why, but IIRC the Nexus 4 images didn't specify LTE somewhere
[15:39] <gouchi_> QUESTION : Will Ubuntu touch switch to snap or it will stay with click packages ? (Sorry if the question has already been asked)
[15:40] <mhall119> there as at least an additional step other than flashing the radio
[15:40] <mariogrip> I need a mhall119 one in my mycroft also!
[15:40] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, yeah, that's unfortunate. In fact, I attempted to contact Matthew Paul Thomas via https://athoneycutt.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/apn-changes-for-ubuntu-touch/
[15:41] <ahoneybun> mm?
[15:41] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, but I don't think he was interested in talking about something as old as the N4
[15:42]  * mhall119 hugs his old and busted N4
[15:43] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, it IS a good phone...
[15:43] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, have you thought about buying the Meizu Pro 5?
[15:44] <mhall119> I've thought about it, but I've heard mixed opinions about how well it will work in the USA
[15:44] <kz6fittycent> hahahahha
[15:45] <kz6fittycent> popey that was great!!
[15:45] <mhall119> the wireless display though....that's tempting
[15:45] <kz6fittycent> mhall119, yeah, and it's a BEAST in terms of hardware
[15:46] <mariogrip> mhall119: oneplus 3 :)
[15:46] <kz6fittycent> QUESTION: Are you aware of any timeline/timeframe when Touch will move away from an "Android" kernel?
[15:47] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: where is my opo ?
[15:47] <mariogrip> oneplus 3 is a beast
[15:47] <kz6fittycent> mariogrip, will that run uTouch?
[15:47] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: i dunno :P in your pocket :)
[15:47] <ahoneybun> well on my desk but close
[15:48] <mariogrip> kz6fittycent: yes, well, when i get it ported yes
[15:48]  * ahoneybun thinks of the uses for mycroft on Ubuntu Phone
[15:48] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: lol :P
[15:48] <kz6fittycent> mariogrip, haha awesome
[15:52] <kz6fittycent> when popey rolls by the Queen, she just nods with unabashed approval
[15:52] <mhall119> mariogrip: let me know when everything works on the OP3
[15:52] <mariogrip> mhall119: sure :D
[15:52] <mhall119> and I'll get dpm to let me expense it :)
[15:53]  * dpm senses mariogrip getting some pressure from mhall119 :)
[15:53] <mariogrip> dpm: hahaha :P i'll work fast now! mhall119 needs new phone
[15:54] <dpm> :-)
[15:54] <mhall119> anybody who has seen the state of my N4 can attest to that
[15:54]  * ahoneybun has
[15:55] <mhall119> it is, shall we say, well loved
[15:55] <mariogrip> mhall119: haha :D buy an oneplus 3 and help port :D yeey great idea :D
[15:56] <kz6fittycent> -1 google....
[15:57] <mariogrip> my oneplus 3 should arrive tomorrow :D
[15:59] <mariogrip> kz6fittycent: well, it's open source, so why is google a problem?
[15:59] <AlSubaieN> THANK YOU BOTH
[15:59] <kz6fittycent> mariogrip, I was being facetious
[15:59] <AlSubaieN> very informative
[16:00] <mhall119> mariogrip: I see what you did there ;-)
[16:00] <mariogrip> mhall119: :D
[16:00] <mariogrip> kz6fittycent: :)
[16:00] <popey> thanks everyon!
[16:00] <popey> *everyone
[16:00] <mariogrip> Thanks popey and dholbach!! :D
[16:00] <gouchi_> Thank you
[16:00] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone
[16:01] <dholbach> this was fun :-)
[16:02] <kz6fittycent> so I am GOING to learn how to build some snaps...
[16:02] <kz6fittycent> question is, what should I focus on?
[16:06] <kz6fittycent> maybe a hexchat snap?


[01:06] <OvenWerks> holstein: Found the problem with my E string. It was wrapped to high up on the tunning peg so it was not really touching the bed of the nut  :P Much better now.
[01:29] <cfhowlett> OvenWerks, phrasing!
[02:42] <holstein> OvenWerks: hey!.. thats great.. thats an easy-ish fix
[09:03] <Puccio1976> giorno
[09:03] <Puccio1976> hi
[10:11] <hlblyhipy> Hello hope someone can help me.Im trying to record a midi track with ardour and an maudio keystation 49
[10:12] <hlblyhipy> jack sees the keystation,ardour can play note but only from the computer keyboard and it wont record any notes.im new to midi
[12:23] <carlos> hola
[12:26] <mathias__> hallo
[12:26] <mathias__> kanmn mir jemand helfen_
[12:28] <zequence> mathias__: Hi
[12:28] <zequence> mathias__: Speak english?
[12:28] <zequence> !de
[12:29] <mathias__> ok thank zou
[14:51] <zgorbyo> hi all
[14:52] <zgorbyo> is there a way to make compiz work in ubuntu studio 14-04?


[16:28] <pavlushka> zaki: ping
[17:03] <zaki> pavlushka: pong
[17:03] <zaki> pavlushka: i"m looking for a .tech domain
[17:03] <zaki> like xyz.tech
[17:04] <pavlushka> zaki: if can pay, you can have any kind of domain, just google it and pay :P
[17:04] <pavlushka> *if you can pay
[17:05] <zaki> got one but I want it from some bangladeshy service
[17:05] <zaki> domain hosting service*
[17:05] <pavlushka> zaki: why?
[17:06] <zaki> ....
[17:06] <pavlushka> zaki: anyways, find out a Bangladeshi domain service first and ask them
[17:07] <pavlushka> they might manage
[17:07] <zaki> hmmm
[17:07] <zaki> what are you doing
[17:07] <zaki> ?
[17:08] <pavlushka> zaki: watching a movie
[17:08] <zaki> which one? :D
[17:18] <pavlushka> zaki:  Mesrine - Public Enemy No.1
[17:19] <pavlushka> zaki: arek jaigae ping disi
[17:25] <zaki> oky
[18:19] <zaki> no confermation msg
[18:19] <zaki> :3
[18:21] <pavlushka> Welcome NahidSultan :)
[18:47] <pavlushka> Night every one :)


[09:48] <matadoor> hi all! I have a question. Why the builds are so out-dated in this page: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ ? I would like to help translate it and this will be a very big help.
[09:58] <matadoor> anybody?


[15:08] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar-archive-plugin 0.5.2 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00893.html


[02:11] <IdleOne> How do i search factoids?
[02:12] <Unit193> !factoids
[02:12] <Unit193> !search foober
[02:12] <IdleOne> !search ads
[02:13] <IdleOne> Unit193: what is the trigger for the one that tells how to remove the adware?
[02:14] <jbroome> is it a link to ubuntu.com? :)
[02:14] <Unit193> !adlens
[02:14] <IdleOne> you're no help, go back to your staff duties :P
[02:15] <jbroome> oh yeah, that's a helpful one
[02:15] <IdleOne> thank you
[02:15] <jbroome> k. i'm going to +q random people for NO reason at all.
[02:15] <jbroome> abusing my power makes things on me GROW
[02:15] <jbroome> i may have been around #defocus too much today
[02:16] <Unit193> No more love for you!
[02:16] <Unit193> :P
[02:16] <IdleOne> I have been demoded :(
[02:17] <IdleOne> ubottu: noads is <alias> adlens
[02:17] <IdleOne> what?
[02:17] <IdleOne> I think I have forgotten everything I ever knew
[02:18] <jbroome> Bwhahah
[02:18] <Unit193> IdleOne: Both of them?
[02:18] <IdleOne> both of what?
[08:06] <Myrtti> indian ip address so that nickname isn't intentional most probably
[08:06] <Myrtti> oh well
 (bsrdjwdzq3ch says)
[12:05] <bazhang> is that comic chat?


[06:06] <Kilos> o/
[17:02]  * Kilos waves to genii
[17:02] <Kilos> hehe
[17:18]  * genii makes sure Kilos gets a large mug of strong coffee, just the right temperature for sipping
[17:21] <Kilos> hee hee ty genii
[17:22] <genii> Any time, of course :)


[00:59] <snap-l> jcastro_: Hahahaha
[02:49] <painbank> any suggestions for burning DVDs to a media server for streaming to a PS3?
[03:20] <jrwren> suggestions?  does don't count? :)
[03:24] <painbank> haha, I suppose.
[13:21] <snap-l> GOod morning
[13:26] <jrwren> good morning
[13:31] <rick_h_> ugh *cough cough*
[14:59] <snap-l> Apparently I screwerd up my Rubik's cube
[16:22] <snap-l>  <3 LMMS
[16:22] <snap-l> Creating a little something for an upcoming episode.
[16:22] <snap-l> Driving the cat and JoDee nuts. ;)


[10:01] <elacheche> Hello folks.. @LC, I just added my LoCo (utn) to your agenda for the re-verification.. We expire tomorrow, can you please extend that until the meeting date?
[10:02] <elacheche> ping svij popey wxl :)
[10:02] <popey> hi elacheche - I'm not on the loco council. but "hi" :D
[10:03] <elacheche> x) Hi popey.. Sorry, I lost focus these days, too much work and community needs :/ x(
[10:04] <popey> :)
[10:10] <svij> elacheche: yep, can do that later today
[10:10] <elacheche> thanks svij !
[14:24] <kenvandine> we have quite the backlog, saw another team expire this morning :/
[16:01] <wxl> kenvandine: feel free to extend teams that are in progress with an expiration of after the meeting. that will give you time to resolve things and make the team feel less bad
[16:05] <kenvandine> maybe we should do that for all the recent expirations
[16:06] <wxl> i would suggest it
[16:14] <kenvandine> i just extended all the teams that expired in the past month as well as the one that was expiring later today
[16:14] <kenvandine> i extended them until the end of december to give us time to meet and get our act together :)
[16:15] <wxl> good job, kenvandine :)
[16:20] <kenvandine> i feel less guilty now :)
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> wxl tsimonq2 Yo
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> Are you available?
[17:26] <tsimonq2> hiho
[17:26] <tsimonq2> Yep
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> Interested in your thoughts about how Ubuntu could improve its presence at LFNW this year?
[17:27] <tsimonq2> We could sponsor it, or have more than just me going ;)
[17:27] <tsimonq2> Also, maybe a release party
[17:27] <flexiondotorg> Looks like wxl wants to go too.
[17:27] <tsimonq2> (since that's right after 18.04)
[17:28] <tsimonq2> That would be really nice if he could
[17:29] <tsimonq2> But yeah flexiondotorg, I really don't know what to say ;)
[17:29] <tsimonq2> We'll have a presense
[17:30] <tsimonq2> And sponsorship of the event would increase that, I think
[17:30] <tsimonq2> (we would get a bigger table iirc)
[17:30] <popey> Is the call for talks still open?
[17:31] <tsimonq2> It's not opened yet iirc
[17:31] <popey> A "release party" (everyone welcome) would be fun
[17:32] <tsimonq2> Right, and I've casually been chatting with bashfulrobot and valorie about logistics
[17:32] <tsimonq2> So far we've generally agreed that Saturday night is no-go, but maybe a little earlier in the day
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> No go for what?
[17:33] <tsimonq2> (because the huge game night is then, unless we somehow collab with them)
[17:33] <tsimonq2> A release party
[17:33] <tsimonq2> Maybe
[17:33] <popey> Is there some element of the game night that can be sponsored?
[17:33]  * tsimonq2 doesn't really know to be honest :)
[17:33] <kyrofa> flexiondotorg, I'd like to see that as well. We should definitely be submitting talks when it opens
[17:33] <popey> like tacos, coffee or beer?
[17:33] <popey> hehe, ok
[17:33] <tsimonq2> popey: Good question
[17:34] <popey> maybe we should contact the organisers?
[17:34]  * tsimonq2 is on mobile so responses are delayed :P
[17:34]  * genii 's ears perk up for a moment at the mention of coffee
[17:34] <tsimonq2> Sure, although I'm not sure who exactly that is, wxl
[17:34] <tsimonq2> Whoops, popey
[17:34] <popey> Would you like _us_ to get in touch with them? Or you guys want to take that on?
[17:35] <tsimonq2> If you guys are willing to do that then by all means go ahead
[17:35] <popey> do you have a contact at LFNW we could speak to, or shall we dig that up?
[17:36] <tsimonq2> genii: There's a coffee shop right in the conference center ;)
[17:36] <tsimonq2> popey: I don't know, you'd have to dig that up
[17:36] <popey> kk
[17:37] <tsimonq2> One other thing to mention is that it would be super great to do a keysigning party, with some Debian Developers there
[17:38] <tsimonq2> I'm sure I'm not the only one looking at DM ;)
[17:49] <wxl> popey: you can always go to #lfnw
[17:50] <wxl> popey: re: sponsorship there's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:51] <wxl> they also have a mailing list. let me find that again
[17:51] <wxl> i think the call for talks is still going on...
[17:53] <wxl> there it is http://lists.blug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fest-list
[17:53] <wxl> flexiondotorg, popey: there should be several members of both the lubuntu and kubuntu teams there
[17:59] <kyrofa> Thanks wxl, subscribed
[18:09] <wxl> kyrofa: you're coming to LFNW? :)
[18:10] <kyrofa> wxl, I was there last year
[18:10] <wxl> oh cool
[21:01] <genii> We need a LFNE :(
[21:51] <tsimonq2> Or an LFMW :P
[21:56] <genii> Heh


[01:02] <stlsaint> booya
[01:03] <paultag> ayya
[01:06] <stlsaint> still no one filling the dayton area eh? shame
[01:06] <Cheri703> stlsaint: we *are* in the nomination phase for filling 2 seats on the team's council
[01:06] <Cheri703> feel free to nominate yourself ;)
[01:07] <Unit193> stlsaint: Yeah, do it!
[01:08] <stlsaint> nope
[01:09] <stlsaint> i dont know the area at all and im horrible with my work schedule (sometimes)
[01:09] <stlsaint> plus im way to self obsorbed in personal projects to lead others in random outside projects
[13:03] <thafreak> Anyone ever order from "Computer Network Accessories Inc" out of dayton? www.cnaweb.com
[20:43] <dzho> thafreak: if you do order from them, I'd be interested in hearing how it goes.
[20:44] <dzho> if they're acceptable, I wouldn't mind throwing them some business.
[21:13] <thafreak> dzho: I normally order from another place, but they're in ohio and their prices don't seem to bad
[21:13] <thafreak> I'll give them a shot I think
[21:14] <thafreak> I'll let you know...probably only going to be ordering some cat5e stuff, keystones and plugs for now...
[21:50] <Unit193> They are also on eBay: http://myworld.ebay.com/shopcna?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
[23:31] <stlsaint> o/
[23:31] <Unit193> Howdy.
[23:31] <stlsaint> Unit193: what the heck what you doing in this channel??
[23:32] <Unit193> stlsaint: Simple, I think I live in Ohio! ;)
[23:38] <stlsaint> Unit193: you "think" lol
[23:38] <Unit193> Pretty sure, last I checked.
[23:39] <stlsaint> Unit193: what part?
[23:39] <Unit193> Richland area.
[23:39] <stlsaint> ah ok
[23:39] <stlsaint> bunch of you ohians i see
[23:39] <Cheri703> there's nothing else to do around here!
[23:39]  * Cheri703 lives 15 min from Unit193
[23:40] <Unit193> Why there's something! There's... Let me think.... Give me an hour or two...
[23:41] <Cheri703> NOTHING THERE IS NOTHING TO DO HERE
[23:41] <Cheri703> THIS IS WHY I AM MOVING
[23:45]  * Unit193 doesn't care.
[23:45] <stlsaint> yea not much to do


[01:17] <h00k> hi.
[23:46] <Cheesehead> h00k: Any problems or issues with the meetng minutes? I got all the action items right?


[00:25] <isthis4real57468> thx oerheks first time i see kde or other flavor confirmed by a link
 Sup folks
[01:34] <swift110> hey cejudo
[03:30] <user|84413> what are the hardware requirements for installing Kubuntu?
[07:21] <lordievader> Godo morning
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:45] <user|65007> hi, after installation pc start with a white screen and nothing i can do. help me?
[12:46] <lordievader> user|65007: What graphics card and driver are you using?
[12:46] <user|65007> I use kubuntu 18.04 LTS 32 bit and nvidia graphics card
[12:48] <lordievader> What happens when you boot with nodemodeset?
[12:48] <lordievader> nomodeset*
[12:49] <lordievader> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
[12:51] <user|65007> okay I try this but not now. I chat from work position but the problem i have in my home. SMILE
[12:53] <user|65007> thanks
[13:00] <eemaster5[m]> Hello, does anyone know whether there is an easy way to unlock multiple drives that are encrypted with the same password?
[13:03] <eemaster5[m]> Or, more general, the question about typing a password only once for a system with multiple disks
[13:03] <lordievader> Sounds like a crypttab and gpg-agent combination.
[13:06] <eemaster5[m]> I've been using a live ISO to check step by step how I could migrate from Windows on that machine and everything seemed easy, intuitive and my peripherals worked, but then I came across the multiple encrypted disks/one time password on boot question and most solutions I found are rather complicated.
[13:07] <eemaster5[m]> VeraCrypt, for example, seems to try the password first entered on all other drives if they are auto-mounted
[13:07] <eemaster5[m]> On Linux, it seems to still be quite a complex topic for beginners
[13:08] <lordievader> eemaster5: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#crypttab You want to read the part about unlocking with a keyfile.
[13:24] <eemaster5[m]> And what do I do if the first disk dies vs. the password-trying I mentioned as an example?
[13:35] <lordievader> You can have multiple passwords for a luks volume. The keyfile is just one of those.
[13:36] <eemaster5[m]> Ah, thanks! :)
[16:10] <kubuntutest> hello I've got a question about the installation process. I've got an 1tb ssd with win10 and about 200gb unpartitioned space. If I choose the default installation procedure (something like "use whole disk") it will wipe/partition my windows installation, won't it?
[16:13] <kubuntutest> thing is: I'm not that experienced with linux and prefer to just tell the installer "here you've got 200gb do whatever you want but in the end I'd like to have a running system".
[16:21] <diogenes_> kubuntutest, just create a 300 mb fat32 partition mountpoint /boot/efi out of that free space, the remaining space, create an ex4 partition, mountpoint / and proceed with the installation.
[16:28] <kubuntutest> will do, thank you!
[16:44] <user|81840> mmc tool
[18:00] <eemaster5[m]> I restarted my system and suddenly it's all black with "Could not sync environment to dbus."
[18:01] <eemaster5[m]> I can click "Okay", but nothing happens
[18:11] <eemaster5[m]> I switched to a terminal and installed the package 'dbus-x11' that some internet topics mentioned and after a reboot, everything now works again
[18:11] <eemaster5[m]> But I have no clue what I did exactly, since my GUI knowledge is limited
[18:11] <evgeny> hi ! Who had same problems like this? When i try install Nvidia graphical driver through Driver Manager, after reboot it takes black screen? The system wrote me that driver was "recommended". Kubuntu 18.04.3 LTS
[18:26] <eemaster5[m]> Ok, now, after I installed dbus-x11 and it works again, Discover tells me it fails to get authentication to change the sources...
[18:26] <eemaster5[m]> I really thought a freshly installed system would be a bit more, I don't know, STABLE
[18:26] <eemaster5[m]> Reminds me of my Xubuntu times a few years ago
[18:41] <eemaster5[m]> I'm not being asked for any authorization anymore
[18:41] <eemaster5[m]> This is horrible
[18:47] <eemaster5[m]> I think this started happening after installing some GTK app or whatever, no clue
[18:47] <eemaster5[m]> Suddenly the whole graphical system crashes all the time lol
[18:52] <eemaster5[m]> Some of my personal files now disappeared, including certain desktop configuration files, which also returns me a ton of error messages
[18:55] <tomreyn> eemaster5[m]: are you looking for help with this?
[18:57] <tomreyn> evgeny: and your graphics card is?  lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:01] <evgeny> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/Wanw8kE9
[19:02] <eemaster5[m]> tomreyn: It turns out I had a brain fart and mounted a second disk into my home directory that is on the first disk already...
[19:04] <tomreyn> i see how this could break things
[19:06] <tomreyn> evgeny: i'm not very much into nvidia, have you checked those are still supported?
[19:07] <evgeny> tomreyn, yes
[19:08] <tomreyn> by the 390 driver?
[19:10] <evgeny> There are 3 drivers to choose in Driver Manager - Propriethary, new version, Free - legacy version and Xorg default noveau
[19:11] <tomreyn> do they not list the driver versions there?
[19:12] <tomreyn> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/390.116/README/supportedchips.html does indeed list "GeForce 8200"
[19:12] <tomreyn> is your ubuntu an amd64?
[19:13] <tomreyn> uname -m
[19:13] <evgeny> Legacy 304.137, binary 340.107, and Xorg. i tried first two and get black screen or other errors
[19:14] <evgeny> x86_64
[19:14] <tomreyn> 340.107? that's weird. is your system fully updated?
[19:15] <tomreyn> maybe you installed this driver earlier as a download from nvidia.com ?
[19:16] <evgeny> tomreyn, my system is auto update mode. I've to try install only from Driver manager
[19:17] <tomreyn> and you're certain this is ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS?
[19:17] <evgeny> yes
[19:17] <tomreyn> i'm asking becaue i only see nvidia driver 390 and newer on 18.04
[19:17] <evgeny> Kubuntu 18.04.3 LTS x64
[19:18] <tomreyn> oh wait i missed them due to the name change
[19:18] <evgeny> maybe i need to download 390 then
[19:18] <tomreyn> nvidia-340 does seem to exist
[19:20] <tomreyn> so i guess if you install the 340.107 and use Xorg it *should* work
[19:20] <tomreyn> dont try wayland, though
[19:21] <tomreyn> (i mean you can try, but it likley wont work)
[19:21] <evgeny> tomreyn, how to do this? I again to try install 340.107 and will get black screen, i tried it :(
[19:21] <tomreyn> are you using Xorg or wayland?
[19:21] <evgeny> dunno
[19:22] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[19:22] <tomreyn> this would tell
[19:22] <evgeny> my system using now default driver with 10280x1024 resolution only
[19:23] <evgeny> https://termbin.com/50y6
[19:24] <tomreyn> plymouth.enable=0 may be a problem, why do you have this?
[19:24] <tomreyn> (and you're using Xorg)
[19:25] <evgeny> to speed up boot (about Plymonth)
[19:25] <evgeny> i need bring back it?
[19:26] <tomreyn> you can try removing it by editing it out from grub's menu
[19:26] <tomreyn> ...when you'll boot with the 340 driver installed
 Just installed kubuntu. Can I edit my home partition
[21:22] <keithzg-M> Ooof, that KRDC disconnects whenever Windows pops up a UAC prompt is getting kindof untenable :(
[21:22] <ismael> Hi, I would like to help woth translations
[21:38] <RikMills> ismael: translations of what? KDE things are nearly all done by KDE translation teams
[22:08] <R13ose> Hi


[00:37] <popey> bkerensa: dude!
[00:37] <popey> bkerensa: _please_ use the new logo in your omg articles ☺
[00:37] <bkerensa> popey: Y U make do so much work :P
[00:37] <bkerensa> ok
[00:37]  * bkerensa goes to fix
[00:38] <popey> dude! it's tattooed on your freaking arm!
[00:38] <popey> ☺
[00:38] <bkerensa> I know
[00:38] <bkerensa> :P
[00:41] <bkerensa> popey: The post has been brought into branding compliance :)
[00:42] <popey> Thank you for your compliance!
[00:42] <popey> ☺
[04:21] <nigelb> "Ex-Ubuntu council member movies from shutting down lists to fixing branding!" \cc popey
[07:50] <popey> :p
[12:14] <duanedesign> o/
[18:39] <cjohnston> Greetings
[18:40] <jussi> hello mr johnston
[18:45] <cjohnston> jussi! hows being a dad?
[18:45] <jussi> tiring... :D
[18:48] <cjohnston> Agreed
[18:51] <cjohnston> Anyone know if there is a way to move email from one gmail address to another gmail address? without forwarding or something along those lines of course
[18:52] <pleia2> seems highly unlikely
[18:52] <cjohnston> they have importing from other services, so you would think they would from one to another
[18:54] <pleia2> there are several tools for uploading old mboxes and stuff, but I'm pretty sure they all use some kind of forwarding
[18:54] <cjohnston> that sucks
[18:55] <cjohnston> I guess I gotta figure out what I really need in the new box, vs what I can archive in the other
[18:55] <popey> gmail has an imap importer
[18:55] <popey> or you could use offlineimap
[18:55] <popey> offlineimap syncs bidirectionally
[18:55] <MrChrisDruif> I was also thinking about imap
[18:55] <popey> but its full sync
[18:55] <MrChrisDruif> You want the email in both addresses?
[18:55] <pleia2> ah, there you go :)
[18:57] <cjohnston> MrChrisDruif: no.. I'd like to move the stuff related to the new email over to the new one.. i dont need/want/nor care if its in the old one
[19:00] <cjohnston> popey: I'm not seeing anything about an imap importer.. .although I am on google apps, so maybe thats why
[19:00] <popey> i used it on google apps
[19:02] <cjohnston> hrm
[20:19] <JanC> cjohnston: offlineimap should allow syncing one IMAP account to your local PC, then syncing it back to another online IMAP account
[20:20] <JanC> and so do some other imap sync tools
[20:20] <cjohnston> thanks JanC
[20:21] <JanC> """OfflineImap synchronizes emails between two repositories, so that you can read the same mailbox from multiple computers. It supports IMAP as REMOTE repository and Maildir/IMAP as LOCAL repository."""
[20:24] <JanC> cjohnston: if you don't need continuus syncing, another solution is to use a GUI mail client and just move all that mail from one IMAP account to the other IMAP account manually  ;)
[20:25] <JanC> *continuous*
[20:27] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:27] <cjohnston> ty JanC
[20:55] <JanC> the manual thing might take long though
[20:57] <JanC> I did it once because I didn't have time to investigate better solutions and the mail client running all night didn't take any of my time  :P
[21:27] <jo-erlend> listen. I added myself to be considered as a member a couple of weeks ago. The meeting was last Tuesday, but I was so ill, I forgot the whole thing in my self-pity. :)
[21:27] <jo-erlend> are there any rules for that? Can I just add myself again and be considered at the next meeting, or..?
[21:27] <pangolin> jo-erlend: yes
[21:28] <jo-erlend> that is a slightly ambiguous confirmation. :)
[21:29] <jo-erlend> but that's good to know. I'm not really in a hurry anyway. I just think it's a little important that it happens before the release.
[21:36] <pangolin> jo-erlend: you can re-apply at any time you are ready :)
[21:37] <pangolin> just don't get sick again
[21:37] <pangolin> hehe
[21:37] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed! ;-)
[21:39] <jo-erlend> yes, in the effort to become a member in order to better represent the community, I'll try to keep my body from going nuts on me. :)
[21:41] <jo-erlend> but I thought the meeting was every Tuesday in the Europe region?
[21:42] <Pendulum> jo-erlend: it's once a month for each board
[21:42] <jo-erlend> oh.
[21:42] <Pendulum> you can add yourself to any of the board's meetings if one of the others would be a better time for you, though
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> I'm Europe based, but would seriously consider the Americas meeting, seeing more people from USA know me already and the time suits me better
[21:44] <MrChrisDruif> Woops.. jo-erlend ^
[21:44] <JanC> jo-erlend: you have an application web page?  ☺
[21:45] <jo-erlend> time isn't all that important to me, as long as I know in advance. I only sleep once a blue moon anyway, so. :)
[21:45] <jo-erlend> JanC, only my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoErlendSchinstad
[21:47] <MrChrisDruif> jo-erlend; well, I have orchestra rehearsal every Tuesday, which end at 10PM CET, which is the starting time of the EMAE (?) meeting
[21:49] <bkerensa> Hello all
[21:49] <JanC> MrChrisDruif: EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Asia)
[21:49] <jussi> africa...
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Almost got it right ^_^
[21:49] <JanC> eh, right  :P
[21:49] <JanC> makes more sense too
[21:49] <MrChrisDruif> Asia is with Oceanic meeting?
[21:50] <JanC> yes, Asia-PAcific
[21:50] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, you get my point ;-)
[21:51] <JanC> EMEA being mostly in the same range of time zones
[21:51] <jo-erlend> what exactly is it that goes on in those meetings that can't be done via email? Because I'm not going to drink human blood or be buried in a coffin or anything like that. :)
[21:56] <jussi> jo-erlend: they dont know that ;)
[21:56] <jussi> :P
[21:58] <jo-erlend> that'a also slightly ambiguous; do you mean the people here doesn't know what goes on in the meetings, or that the people in the meetings doesn't know that I don't drink human blood? :)
[21:58] <jussi> the latter :P
[21:58] <jo-erlend> I prefer beer, thank you. :)
[21:59] <jussi> jo-erlend: you realise you can go to other meetings if this one doesnt suit your time.
[21:59] <jussi> any of the other boards can approve you
[21:59] <jussi> (or decline you :P )
[22:00] <jussi> you could even go to an irc council meeting ;)
[22:01] <JanC> jussi: only if he's an IRC op, I suppose?
[22:01] <jussi> JanC: definately not.
[22:01] <JanC> or at least contributed to the IRC community a lot
[22:02] <jussi> if he has contributed to the irc community he can go to the ircc
[22:03] <jo-erlend> It doesn't really matter that much to me if I'm a member or not. It won't change anything to me personally. It's mostly about the email address. I think it'll look better when I issue press releases if it comes from ubuntu.com instead of gmail.com or schinstad.no.
[22:03] <JanC> jussi: so almost everybody in here could go that way, theoretically?  :P
[22:03] <jussi> JanC: yes.
[22:04] <jussi> and Id encourage them to, as the ircc give membership to ubuntu irc memebrs, which has some additional benefits for those active on irc
[22:04] <JanC> jo-erlend: I just use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if I want it to look somewhat more official  ;)
[22:05] <jussi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Membership
[22:05] <jo-erlend> I could probably get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if I wanted to, but that's not the point. Perhaps membership actually means a little more than I care to admit. :)
[22:09] <jo-erlend> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkz_hpU8yi4 <-- Nellie McKay sings her "The in-crowd". Worth listening to.
[22:11] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well everyone
[22:11] <jo-erlend> likewise.
[22:12] <jo-erlend> I still have a bucket of beer and an equal amount of bugs to file.
[22:32] <paultag> jcastro: are you in, champ?
[22:40] <paultag> jcastro: I'm back and willing to negotiate
[22:42] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: you were down for the last EMEA but didn't show, if you cant make the meeting perhaps try the A/O or Americas boards
[22:45] <jo-erlend> czajkowski, right. Thanks.
[22:48] <JanC> next EMEA might be fine too (if he doesn't get sick again ;) )
[22:49] <czajkowski> or drop the board a mail if you miss a meeting so they know
[22:51] <JanC> well, I know last Thursday evening I wouldn't have thought about emailing anyone after I got sick...  ;)
[22:51] <czajkowski> fair enough, but folks do
[22:51] <czajkowski> anways xbox and then sleep
[22:51] <czajkowski> nn
[22:51] <JanC> slaapwel!
[23:07] <akgraner> cjohnston, are you home yet?


[00:00] <teward> bleh, well, i'll just upload a version bump, LP's erroring on what i want it to do (it can't basically)
[00:00] <wgrant> Hm, really?
[00:00] <wgrant> What's the error?
[00:00] <teward> wgrant: well, see, I need it to rebuild in the staging PPAs
[00:01] <teward> copy for rebuild says, "same version already has published binaries in the destination archive"
[00:01] <teward> just spammed the hell out of myself with errors
[00:01] <wgrant> Did you ensure that you selected the option to copy binaries, rather than to rebuild?
[00:01] <teward> wgrant: there's no arm binaries yet
[00:02] <teward> hence the need for a rebuild
[00:02] <teward> or will it autobuild arm binaries
[00:02] <wgrant> You have to copy the existing binaries, but then it will notice that there are still binaries missing and create the ARM build anyway.
[00:02] <teward> ahh okay
[00:02] <teward> so copy binaries to itself then, copy over to the other ppa as well then
[00:03] <teward> after it sees it needs ARM builds
[00:03] <teward> ok
[00:03] <wgrant> You can't ask it to rebuild the existing binaries, because they'd try to overwrite the existing ones with the same filenames.
[00:03] <teward> right
[00:03]  * teward expects to see 2 FTBFS shortly
[00:03] <wgrant> It's qemu-user, so "shortly" may be over-optimistic, but we'll see.
[00:03] <teward> well, 'shortly' as in when it runs
[00:03] <wgrant> (we
[00:04] <wgrant> 'll have proper ARM VMs Soon™, but getting enough capable hardware is harder than it looks)
[00:04] <teward> last time I ran an ARM build was swig3.0, and it FTBFS in Precise because dep-wait on gcc, which apparently is FTBFS in the repos
[00:04] <wgrant> Hm, that seems unlikely.
[00:04] <wgrant> precise's armhf port is excellent.
[00:04] <teward> mm, i lied, it wasn't gcc
[00:04] <wgrant> The only reason this might fail is that qemu-user doesn't like threads very much sometimes.
[00:04] <teward> guile-2.0-dev is missing.  check that in precise repos...
[00:05] <teward> yeah that there's ftbfs in armhf
[00:05] <teward> but ultimately, nginx should be fine, if all the main deps are present
[00:06] <teward> the only thing i hate about the NGINX packaging is the 3rd party modules >.<
[00:07] <teward> wgrant: i can disregard the complaints about copying failed, as its talking about i386 / amd64, not armhf, right?
[00:07] <teward> ('cause building armhf right now)
[00:07] <wgrant> You could probably have just backported a modern guile-2.0 to precise. There are no huge changes in vivid.
[00:08] <wgrant> teward: I think those complaints are from the previous copies without binaries.
[00:08] <wgrant> teward: Each copy is atomic, and the latest batch clearly worked.
[00:09] <teward> mmm
[00:09] <teward> wgrant: the FTBFS was the tests
[00:09] <teward> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/102666041/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.guile-2.0_2.0.5%2B1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:09] <teward> FAIL: test-with-guile-module, FAIL: test-pthread-create, FAIL: test-scm-spawn-thread  (SEGV all around)
[00:10] <teward> i'm too lazy to
[00:10] <teward> it only affects the ZNC PPA anyways
[00:13] <teward> wgrant: reminder, arch:all packages are arch-independent, right?
[00:14] <teward> s/reminder/remind me/
[00:15] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:15] <wgrant> They build on a single architecture, but are published on all.
[00:18] <teward> right that's what i assumed
[00:35] <wgrant> teward: Succeeded in just under half an hour.
[02:51] <teward> wgrant: indeed, I got an email from the person on https://bugs.launchpad.net/nginx/+bug/1425324 about it - can we keep the armhf builds enabled there then?
[02:51] <wgrant> teward: You don't need them on any other PPAs?
[02:52] <wgrant> It's no problem to keep them enabled. My only concern is that they might not be enabled in enough places :)
[02:53] <teward> wgrant: well, i'm not going to enable them on the ZNC PPA, and for nginx, i only need them on staging since I do all the builds there before moving them to the main nginx ppas
[02:54] <teward> wgrant: and ZNC Precise will always FTBFS unless I backport within the swig3.0 PPA the build deps and i'm too lazy to do that at the moment
[02:54] <teward> and i noticed a bug where ZNC won't install after compile when the ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ppa is included (for g++-4.7/precise) because it needs newer c libs apparently
[02:54] <teward> so meh
[02:56] <teward> wgrant: so far, the only things I needed built for armhf were my swig3.0 backports PPA, and nginx.
[02:56] <teward> nothing else on my radar for arm builds - only put nginx on the list because 5 emails today on it
[02:57] <wgrant> :)
[02:57] <wgrant> If you need anything else, give me a yell. If I'm not around, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion is your friend.
[02:57] <teward> wgrant: indeed.  thanks.
[02:57] <teward> wgrant: i should be extra glad though... nobody's asked me to set up arm builds for my wireshark backports ppa... xD
[02:57] <teward> that'd... not go well
[03:00] <wgrant> Heh
[03:03] <teward> wgrant: i'll likely give a holler if I need arm turned on anywhere else, for now I think we're set, since it's not like I respin the software every day xD
[03:04] <teward> except when i made a grave fail in package edits that forces me to reupload to fix xD
[08:35] <ppisati> ok so, i'm geting this: "File linux_3.18.3-2.2.diff.gz already exists in Misc packages for Ubuntu, but uploaded version has different contents"
[08:36] <ppisati> this after the previous build failed, i found the problem, fixed it, but my new upload is rejected
[08:36] <ppisati> what am i supposed to do?
[08:37] <wgrant> ppisati: You need to change the version when you change the package.
[08:37] <ppisati> wgrant: i feared that answer
[08:38] <wgrant> ppisati: Unless you want to hack the build system to disable the ABI check, the easiest way to build a kernel in a PPA is to replace the latest changelog entry rather than appending a new one.
[08:38] <ppisati> wgrant: well, abi checck is off
[08:39] <ppisati> wgrant: anyhow, let me change the version
[08:39] <ppisati> wgrant: but i don't really understand why you keep the previous diff around
[08:39] <wgrant> ppisati: We don't keep it around, but it is remembered.
[08:40] <wgrant> Each filename in a PPA references a unique file throughout time.
[08:40] <ppisati> wgrant: os it's per PPA, right?
[08:40] <ppisati> *so
[08:40] <ppisati> ok
[08:40] <wgrant> Changing the version when you change the package is normal good practice, not an onerous restriction.
[08:40] <wgrant> ppisati: Right.
[08:41] <ppisati> wgrant: i agree that changing version everytime you change a pkg is right, but since this pkg never existed, the previous sentence could be debated
[08:41] <ppisati> anyway
[08:41] <ppisati> no need to argue
[08:41] <wgrant> The package did exist!
[08:41] <ppisati> i bump the version
[17:43] <dobey> hrmm, not sure if anyone is around who would know the answer to this...
[17:44] <dobey> anyone know if there's a way to force LP to do the translations update commit to a branch?
[17:46] <teward> wgrant: around?
[17:46] <teward> (if not i won't bother you)
[17:48] <cjwatson> dobey: I don't believe so; that code is only called from a cron script, so you'd have to wait for that.
[17:48] <dobey> cjwatson: that's what i thought. and it runs at like 00:00 UTC daily, iirc.
[17:48] <cjwatson> taotie.canonical.com-codehost:30 04 * * * $LP_PY /srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/production/launchpad/cronscripts/translations-export-to-branch.py -q --log-file=INFO:/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/production-logs/translations-export-to-branch.log
[21:32] <teward> general question: if i want arm builds for a specific ppa but i know for a fact pre-Trusty releases won't build at all for armhf, is it still acceptable to ask for ARM builds on a given PPA?
[21:33] <dobey> teward: just don't build for precise on that ppa then?
[21:33] <dobey> teward: you can't build for quantal, raring, or saucy anyway
[21:34] <teward> dobey: ehh, to do *that*, I'd have to set up an ARM builds PPA to separate it from primary staging
[21:34] <teward> for the software i'm packaging in question that is
[21:34] <teward> except that I know why it FTBFS in precise - one of the build-deps is not built in Precise
[21:35] <teward> so short of a backport which I'm too lazy to do... :P
[21:35] <teward> (the FTBFS in precise are dep-waits)
[21:35] <dobey> just doa  backport
[21:36] <dobey> grab the source and see if it builds in a precise chroot locally, and if it does then make the minimal changes to denote it's a backport for precise (append ~12.04.1 to version, and change release in changelog to precise) and upload it
[21:37] <teward> dobey: precise is the next schroot i'm building for the armhf environment, but... slow.
[21:37] <teward> have to build each schroot after all
[21:37] <teward> (I use sbuild)
[21:37] <dobey> teward: well, does it build on x86 precise?
[21:37] <dobey> i don't test builds on every arch. that would be annoying :)
[21:40] <teward> dobey: haven't tested - the target is armhf, not x86, but i'll test after the sbuild schroot is done building
[21:41] <dobey> yeah, but x86 is much faster to build on x86, and unless it supports cross-compiling and you're building a cross-compile chroot instead of a qemu one, it's going to likely be quite slow to build on armhf
[21:43] <teward> dobey: and how are armhf builds currently done in the PPA builders?
[21:44] <dobey> teward: qemu
[21:52] <teward> dobey: ok.  i'm running an x86 build now in sbuild, if it works there then hopefully the armhf ones do - it's the guile-2.0 source package that's the build-dep :/
[21:52] <teward> and that FTBFS due to some threads error or something in precise armhf
[21:53] <dobey> is guile not included in precise archive already?
[21:53] <teward> dobey: for x86, yes.  FTBFS in armhf
[21:54] <dobey> oh well
[21:55] <dobey> and the version in trusty fixes that?
[21:55] <teward> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guile-2.0/2.0.5+1-1/+build/3245257  <-- log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guile-2.0/2.0.5+1-1/+build/3245257/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.guile-2.0_2.0.5%2B1-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:55] <teward> dobey: no idea, i haven't tested yet - the only way to know if it fixes the FTBFS is to run the arm build
[21:55] <dobey> well you said your package builds fine on trusty
[21:55] <dobey> so i presume that means guile is available on trusty arm
[21:56] <teward> mhm
[21:56] <dobey> and indeed the trusty package is available on armhf
[21:56] <teward> but not on precise armhf
[21:57] <dobey> so if you take the trusty package and build it on precise, it should work i think, unless there's another dependency issue that creates
[21:57] <dobey> well, no, it's trusty, not precise
[21:57] <dobey> you'd have to backport it to precise
[21:58] <teward> right
[21:58] <dobey> if it builds on precise armhf fine, then it might be worth asking to get it shipped as an update on precise
[21:59] <teward> dobey: right, but i don't have an armhf environment to test build in
[21:59] <teward> dobey: and no PPA to run that test in
[21:59] <teward> hence my conundrum
[22:00] <dobey> well i didn't know it was guile and the issue was that armhf build failed on precise in archive
[22:00] <dobey> so yeah, best way to test that is with an sbuild armhf builder (hopefully it can be cross-compiled, but i suspect it might not be possible)
[22:01] <mapreri> teward: just create an armhf chroot. it's easy with pbuilder, I guess it's easy with sbuild too. if you do a lot of this funny things you may ask access to stuff like debomatic-armhf.debian.net
[22:01] <teward> well the sbuild armhf builder i have crapped out before running any build
[22:01] <dobey> it's easy, it's just slow
[22:01] <teward> first, i'm checking to make sure amd64 builds
[22:01] <dobey> cross-compile is a lot faster
[22:01] <teward> and i386
[22:01] <mapreri> that's a qemu issue, but yay
[22:01] <dobey> but not everything works with it
[22:26] <teward> dobey: FTBFS - configure.ac:41: require Automake 1.12, but have 1.11.3
[22:27] <teward> dobey: so the backport is out of the question
[22:27] <teward> unless you know a way around that
[22:28] <dobey> backport automake :)
[22:30] <teward> dobey: at that point it becomes too much work for me to care
[22:32] <teward> wgrant: around?
[22:33] <mapreri> "require Automake 1.12, but have 1.11.3" that's silly. 1.12 < 1.13, yet, it fails. muh
[22:34] <teward> mapreri: remember, precise
[22:34] <dobey> mapreri: huh?
[22:34] <dobey> mapreri: 1.11.3 < 1.12
[22:34] <dobey> 1.11.3 != 1.13
[22:35] <mapreri> ah, ouch. sorry for the noise, misread the digits...
[22:38] <teward> dobey: i'll just separate out Precise from staging - saves me the headache of doing multiple backports just to make the one package build
[22:38] <teward> besides, no idea if automake 1.12 is reverse compatible
[22:39] <teward> don't want OTHER things to ftbfs anywhere
[22:41] <wgrant> teward: Hi
[22:42] <teward> wgrant: so yesterday you said to bug you to enable ARM in places.
[22:43] <teward> had a feeling you knew this would happen, but I need arm builds for another staging PPA - this time for a brand new staging PPA for ZNC that handles Trusty and newer
[22:43] <teward> since i know Precise would ftbfs
[22:43] <wgrant> Sure
[22:43] <teward> and i can actually avoid some... nasty things... by separating Precise out from the staging
[22:43] <teward> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/znc-staging-trusty+ is the one i'd like ARM builds on, if you can
[22:44] <wgrant> teward: Done.
[22:44] <teward> wgrant: thank you kindly
[22:57] <teward> wgrant: oopsies, i forgot to add a PPA dependency LOL (depwaits are evil)
[22:58] <wgrant> Luckily you can just add the dep and retry.
[22:58] <teward> wgrant: indeed - i forgot to define the PPA to depend on
[22:58] <teward> wgrant: HOPEFULLY i put the PPA dep in before the latest upload for that PPA got in - if not, well... there's a depwait
[22:58] <teward> again
[22:59] <wgrant> Depwaits are quick to fail and can be manually retried immediately, so that's not so bad.
[22:59] <teward> wgrant: indeed, although, if the depwaits are what i think it is, there'll be 3 depwaits for trusty upload to that ppa - i386, amd64, and armhf
[23:00] <teward> looks like I snuck it in XD
[23:00] <teward> right before it started
[23:00] <teward> wgrant: i had to cancel 2 armhf for the prior version in the system - the one that depwait'd i can't cancel, will it autocancel when it sees there's a newer version?
[23:00] <teward> or can you force it to just fail and not check again
[23:06] <wgrant> teward: Just ignore old depwaits. But you don't need to upload a new version just because the old one depwaited.
[23:06] <teward> wgrant: that's not the reason i uploaded a new wone
[23:07] <teward> wgrant: the new staging PPA means I don't have to define CXX in the debian/rules - it was defined because the previous staging PPA pulled in ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test which has g++-4.9 - which breaks those actual releases other than Utopic/Vivid (which have the libraries)
[23:08] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[23:08] <teward> because unless CXX is defined correctly, it will actually use the highest g++ - 4.9 - which isn't present anywhere, and may cause libc problems
[23:08] <teward> wgrant: unlike nginx, I think these builds'll take about 45 - 50 minutes - based on the Vivid build time for 1.6.0-2 in the repos themselves
[23:09] <wgrant> teward: qemu-user times are pretty hard to predict, but we'll see.
[23:09] <teward> wgrant: and also - https://dev.launchpad.net/CommunityARMBuilds - do you really have >4 hr builds?
[23:09] <wgrant> Er yeah :)
[23:09] <wgrant> gcc, libreoffice, linux, eglibc...
[23:10] <wgrant> libreoffice takes like 6 hours even on a very modern fast amd64 machine.
[23:10] <wgrant> With 8 cores
[23:10] <wgrant> Let alone on a silly little ARM board.
[23:10] <wgrant> Or, worse, an ARM emulator.
[23:10] <teward> eurgh
[23:11] <teward> wgrant: betcha wireshark would take around that long - that thing's a BEAST
[23:11] <teward> although, IMO, anyone running Wireshark on an ARM board might have some... issues... other than lag and build time
[23:12] <wgrant> Heh, quite.
[23:12] <teward> i'd question the sanity of anyone running wireshark on ARM
[23:12] <teward> tshark, or a pure capture, i can understand.  but not the gui
[23:29] <teward> wgrant: looks like it's working...
[23:29] <teward> slowly, but... working


[03:20] <Bluefoxicy> okay how the heck do I turn the thing back to right alt = altgr
[08:17] <tijnix> goodmorning all
[08:17] <tijnix> almost weekend!
[08:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:19] <elfy> hi lordievader
[09:20] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you?
[09:20] <elfy> rejoicing in the fact the weekend started for me :)
[09:21] <lordievader> Nice nice
[09:21] <tijnix> few hours to go for me
[10:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:34] <elfy> hi BluesKaj
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hi elfy
[10:36] <elfy> all ready for the next one :D
[10:37] <BluesKaj> yup , aready setup, have a dedicated HDD for it
[10:46] <BluesKaj> how about you ?
[10:49] <elfy> partition is ready yep
[11:13] <BluesKaj> wonder when the chainloader will be available
[13:02] <sjoshi> !15.04
[13:05] <sjoshi> Is 15.04 release?
[13:05] <sjoshi> released*
[13:06] <k1l> sjoshi: yes
[13:07] <sjoshi> k1l: ok thanks!