[02:58] <BHSPitMonkey> jenda, love 'em
[02:58] <BHSPitMonkey> though it hasn't happened to me in a very long time
[02:58] <BHSPitMonkey> it was related to some kind of problem, I don't remember what it was
[09:32] <mindspin> anyone here who is in charge for the fridge?
[09:41] <meatballhat> jenda: boo!  :D
[09:48] <Madpilot> mindspin, if you've got a question or  comment, just ask it, someone will notice!
[09:52] <mindspin> we (kubuntu-de.org) did an interview with riddell about kde4 and its integration in kubunzu
[09:52] <mindspin> we are gonn release it tomorrow and think it could be published on the fridge
[09:52] <mindspin> gonna even
[09:59] <jenda> meatballhat: eek!
[10:00] <jenda> hehehe
[10:01] <meatballhat> jenda: I'm on the job.... got me a to-do list from yesterday
[10:01] <meatballhat> :)
[10:01] <jenda> whee :)
[10:01] <jenda> good news ;)
[11:56] <jenda> meatballhat: how goes? :)
[11:56] <meatballhat> jenda: blech ... regrouping is the worst ....
[11:56] <meatballhat> I need a memory upgrade
[11:59] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:07] <meatballhat> :P
[12:08] <meatballhat> jenda: I'm teetering on the edge of wanting to wipe the slate clean   :D
[12:10] <meatballhat> jenda: gots to run ... be on IRC at work  ;-)
[12:10] <jenda> hehe
[04:03] <mindspin> nixternal ping
[04:04] <jenda> nixternal: don't! It's a trap!
[04:04] <mindspin> no I#m a good cop
[04:04] <nixternal> haha
[04:04] <nixternal> what's up
[04:05] <mindspin> we (kubuntu-de.org) did an interview with riddell about kde4 and its relations to kubuntu
[04:05] <mindspin> I think it should go to the fridge
[04:05] <mindspin> wanna have it?
[04:06] <nixternal> mindspin: send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:06] <nixternal> I am in D.C. on vacation until tomorrow, and I am getting ready to head out
[04:06] <mindspin> I#ll send it when the translation is done ;-)
[04:06] <mindspin> no prob
[04:06] <nixternal> that way there, I will or someone will put it up
[04:06] <nixternal> cool
[04:06] <mindspin> we gonna publish it tommorrow
[04:06] <mindspin> hopefully
[04:06] <nixternal> good deal
[04:07] <mindspin> happy holiday btw.
[04:09] <nixternal> why thank you
[04:10] <jenda> nixternal: say hello to DC for me :)
[04:10] <nixternal> oh I am :)
[04:10] <jenda> Haven't been there for... half my life ;)
[04:10] <nixternal> I used to live here. I am here visiting my x and my daughter
[04:11] <jenda> when did you live there?
[04:15] <nixternal> I did too
[04:15] <jenda> we shouldda met ;)
[04:15] <nixternal> 95-98
[04:15] <nixternal> end of 94 actually
[04:16] <jenda> Hmm... /me has the feeling we might've even talked about this before ;)
[04:16] <nixternal> I lived on Wisconsin and S
[04:16] <nixternal> hehe
[04:16] <jenda> Willard Ave, Chevy Chase
[04:16] <nixternal> shoot, about 2 miles
[04:16] <jenda> The Irene - a gigantic apartment building
[04:16] <nixternal> I know where that is
[04:16] <jenda> :)
[04:16] <nixternal> I could take Wisconson Ave. into Chevy Chase and you cross Willard
[04:17] <nixternal> I would take Willard either to Bethesda or to the Congressional Golf Course, can't remember which one exactly
[04:17] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:18] <jenda> Since I was such a teeny boy, I don't remember much of that. I remember Bethesda because that's where my siblings went to highschool (BCC High)
[04:18] <nixternal> ahh
[04:18] <nixternal> I like it here actually. It is a neat area.
[04:18] <nixternal> Anywho, we are getting ready to go to lunch, so I will chat with you all later :)
[04:22] <jenda> laters ;)
[04:22] <jenda> (arrgh, the pain)
[06:47] <jenda> beuno: you've got little to worry about :)
[06:48] <beuno> you think?
[06:48] <crimsun> of course
[06:48] <jenda> no doubt :)
[06:48] <beuno> :D
[06:49] <jenda> But enjoy it :) It only happens once ;)
[06:49] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: i'm here to support you
[06:49] <beuno> Admiral_Chicago: I apreciate it!
[06:49] <MenZa> if jenda vouches for you, so do I
[06:49] <MenZa> :d
[06:49] <beuno> hahah
[06:50] <MenZa> I've met jenda, and I would never doubt his judgment.
[06:50] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe, when i met richard, it made me doubt his judgement more...
[06:50] <beuno> lol
[06:51] <jenda> hehehe
[06:51] <jenda> :)
[06:51] <jenda> O_O
[06:51] <jenda> beuno: you will, I guarantee you that.
[06:51] <jenda> ....or else...
[06:52] <beuno> hmmm, maybew I should of kept that to myself for an hour or so...
[06:52] <beuno> :D
[06:52] <jenda> hehe
[06:52] <jenda> an hour if you're optimistic ;)
[06:52] <beuno> I'd really like to, I haven't been to prague in over 15 years
[06:53] <beuno> right, I've seen meetings run out of time and postpone membership approvals
[06:55] <jenda> yep, it happens.
[06:55] <MenZa> jenda: we should meet up again.
[06:55] <MenZa> Last time wpned.
[06:55] <MenZa> pwned*
[06:55] <MenZa> And next time, I'll have a beer myself.
[06:56] <MenZa> Stupid class trips.
[06:56] <jenda> whee :)
[06:56] <jenda> definitely
[06:56] <jenda> well...
[06:56] <jenda> actually...
[06:56] <MenZa> at least it took me to cz :)
[06:56] <jenda> I' might be passing through Denmark with a few friends this summer...
[06:56] <MenZa> Seriously?
[06:56] <MenZa> When?
[06:56] <jenda> Might be hitchhiking :)
[06:56] <jenda> no idea yet.
[06:56] <beuno> hmmmm
[06:56] <MenZa> July 8th -> About a week onwards, I'll be away
[06:56] <MenZa> I'll be in London
[06:56] <jenda> (hitchhiking only if we convince my friend's gf...)
[06:57] <beuno> I'll be travelling through europe from july 15th to august 15th
[06:57] <jenda> hehe
[06:57] <MenZa> I might also get a chick from the US to visit
[06:57] <MenZa> Her dad's going to Norway
[06:57] <jenda> I'd hate to go to denmark when beuno is in CZ and MenZa in the UK :)
[06:57] <beuno> hahah, well, maybe we can meet up somewhere in the middle?
[06:57] <MenZa> :D
[07:02] <jenda> :)
[07:02] <jenda> hopefully :)
[07:04] <beuno> in fact... the last time I was in prague, it was still checkoslovakia
[07:05] <jenda> hehe :)
[07:05] <jenda> and I was a teeny kid :)
[07:06] <beuno> yeah, so was I
[07:06] <beuno> I must of been 5 or 6
[07:06] <beuno> maybe 7
[07:07] <jenda> I was 2 ;)
[07:07] <jenda> err, actually the republic split '93, so I was 5
[07:07] <beuno> I think I went there in '91, but I'm not sure
[07:07] <MenZa> :o
[07:08] <beuno> actually, I was 8 then, I'm '83
[07:16] <jenda> hehe :)
[07:16] <jenda> beuno: I'm staarving. I'll do my best to be back in time, but I can't hold any longer :/
[07:17] <beuno> jenda: you said I had nothing to worry about, so go
[07:20] <beuno> it's being delayed, so I say go
[07:24] <jenda> hehe
[07:24] <jenda> I'm back, I stuck to a sandwich
[07:25] <jenda>
[07:30] <jenda> ooh, meeting...
[07:30] <beuno> I'm 5th in line
[07:30] <beuno> so it depends
[08:37] <bordy> hey all... quick question. A member of my LoCo wanted to find some sort of kit for tradeshows (ie CDs, pamphlets, shirts, whatever) I realize the shirts are out of the question, but is anyone able to point me in the direction of resources for this guy?
[08:39] <bordy> nm, found some good stuff :)
[08:44] <jenda> 4
[08:44] <beuno> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:45] <Burgwork> welcome aboard beuno
[08:45] <beuno> thanks for all the support, jenda, Burgwork, tsmithe, Admiral_Chicago
[08:45] <Burgwork> get that ubuntu.com addy sorted out, so next week it can be used
[08:45] <tsmithe> :)
[08:45] <jenda> :)
[08:45] <jenda> hehe
[08:45] <tsmithe> jenda, i didn't get champagne
[08:45] <beuno> Burgwork: will do, although I'm not sure how that works
[08:45] <tsmithe> :P
[08:45] <tsmithe> beuno, automanually
[08:46] <tsmithe> it just kinda happens
[08:46] <Burgwork> pretty much it is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:46] <tsmithe> (although it happens when you stop checking :P)
[08:46] <Burgwork> thus I am<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:46] <Burgwork> that gets forwarded to your preferred email addy in LP
[08:46] <Burgwork> you can setup gmail so it can send as ubuntu.com
[08:46] <beuno> great, I'll make sure to start using it as soon as it's working
[08:47] <beuno> :D
[08:47] <beuno> jenda: I understand you hand out ubuntu cloaks?
[08:48] <Burgwork> no, Seveas does
[08:49] <beuno> aah, great, I'll talk to him later then, thanks Burgwork
[08:49] <beuno> are you going to be helping out with UWN this week?
[08:51] <Burgwork> yes, I will be
[08:51] <Burgwork> I have a bunch of stories I will post up for writing later tonight
[08:52] <beuno> super, I'll start sending emails to all the relevant lists to get them participating too
[09:00] <Burgwork> cool
[09:00] <Burgwork> usually I just cull stuff as it comes through
[09:01] <beuno> that's good, I just like to nag different people to remind them we do this on a weekly basis  :D
[09:04] <Burgwork> all reporters have to hound after their subjects
[09:04] <Burgwork> it is a given
[09:04] <jenda_> someone highlighted me a while ago - so just FIY, I can't read it, as I can't ssh into my shell, sorry
[09:04] <Burgwork> we shoudl investigate the behind Ubuntu website
[09:04] <jenda_> if it's important, please repeat :)
[09:04] <Burgwork> anybody know who runs it?
[09:05] <jenda_> Burgwork: http://behindubuntu.org/about/team/
[09:05] <jenda_> uh oh
[09:05] <Burgwork> I recognize none of those names
[09:06] <jenda_> Can't say I do, either.
[09:09] <Burgwork> somebody mind emailing them?
[09:09] <jenda_> https://launchpad.net/~christophe-sauthier
[09:09] <jenda_> that guy's the only one with any LP karma
[09:09] <jenda_> Burgwork: sure, but I missed the entire conversation ;)
[09:09] <Burgwork> I will pm it
[09:10] <beuno> I followed behind ubuntu when it started, but it got discontinued afaik
[09:19] <jenda> beuno: so, shall we get that cloak done? :)
[09:20] <jenda> beuno?
[09:20] <jenda> hmm?
[09:22] <jenda> Burgwork: one of those folks does ring a bell afterall, but he's listed as a former team member: https://launchpad.net/~zhengpeng-hou
[09:22] <Burgwork> ah, right, I remember him
[09:25] <beuno> :D
[09:26] <jenda> beuno: I don't hear a 'yes' ;)
[09:26] <beuno> yes ;)
[09:29] <jenda> beuno: how does it fit?
[09:30] <beuno> yaaaaaaaay!
[09:30] <beuno> very nice  :D
[09:30] <beuno> thanks jenda
[09:32] <jenda>
[09:32] <jenda> np
[09:34] <beuno> it seems several ppl here at the office where at the meeting
[09:34] <beuno> *watching*
[09:34] <beuno> so they basically didn't do any work for 2 hours, hehehe
[09:39] <jenda> hehe
[09:39] <jenda> beuno: are you the boss? :)
[09:39] <beuno> jenda: yeap, heheheh
[09:40] <jenda> and where th do you work that people were at the meeting? :)
[09:40] <jenda> ah!
[09:40] <jenda> well, in that case, you should give those who were a raise ;)
[09:41] <beuno> I'm getting them a round of beer, that's for sure
[09:42] <jenda> hehe
[09:42] <jenda> I'm getting you one when you come here.
[09:43] <beuno> I'm going to have to get you one too, I'm here because of you basically, so...
[09:43] <beuno> you and Dan got me started, which is the hardest part
[09:43] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:43] <jenda> well, once you get me one and I get you one, we should get each other about 4 more, and it'll be ok :)
[09:44] <beuno> hahahaa
[09:44] <beuno> it's a plan
[09:44] <jenda> :)
[09:45] <jenda> You wouldn't believe how much beer an Ubuntu CZ Meeting needs to go through well :)
[09:45] <beuno> hahahaaaaaa
[10:00] <jenda> hehe
[10:00] <jenda> hello meatballhat :)
[10:00] <meatballhat> jenda: yo  ;-)
[10:00] <jenda> meatballhat, beuno - the entire team is now uniformed ;)
[10:00] <meatballhat> yours?  with polo shirts?
[10:01] <jenda> hehe
[10:01] <jenda> meatballhat: I meant the three of us being members ;)
[10:01] <meatballhat> jenda:   gack! ... I'm always doing this  :P  ... I gotta run home ... might be on again later, but for sure tomorrow morn  :)
[10:01] <meatballhat> jenda: yaaay!!!
[10:02] <beuno> triple yay!
[10:02] <jenda> meatballhat: don't you have a polo?
[10:02] <jenda> beuno: you should get one ;)
[10:02] <meatballhat> jenda: that I do ;-)  ... it's waaaay snazzy
[10:02] <beuno> there are ubuntu polo shirts?
[10:04] <jenda> beuno: oh yeah ;
[10:04] <jenda> ;)
[10:04] <jenda> beuno: juliux is the one selling them
[10:05] <jenda> beuno: YOU are working on the DIY site, and you DON'T KNOW there are SHIRTS???
[10:05] <jenda> :)
[10:05] <beuno> hahah
[10:05] <beuno> I just look at code
[10:06] <beuno> dan looks at what the code *does*
[10:06] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:06] <jenda> ok
[10:06] <jenda> So I'm the only one who actually gets to the good stuff on top ;)
[10:07] <jenda> I can't find a pic, though...
[10:08] <beuno> np, I'll talk to juliux when I see him
[10:27] <beuno> I'll bbl, again, thanks for everyone's support
[10:37] <adamant1988> jenda: ping
[10:39] <jenda> pong!
[10:41] <adamant1988> jenda: wanted to swing something by you on the UWN.  I was reading a really interesting article about how gmail can be your e-swissarmy knife, and I was thinking perhaps we could add a weekly section on a unique use for a program people might not have thought of?
[10:41] <jenda> hmm
[10:41] <jenda> adamant1988: that might be very interesting...
[10:41] <jenda> but will we be able to source it, weekly?
[10:42] <adamant1988> Well, I'm sure with ALL of the open source programs out there that we can collect info from the forums and such on how people are using their software in unique ways.
[10:42] <adamant1988> If the info isn't there, we don't need to do it.. I can handle the polls and such.
[10:43] <adamant1988> the JobBoard spec is just sitting in the list too :(
[11:42] <adamant1988> tsmithe: Help with my spec :(
[11:43] <tsmithe> can't - have spent all evening polishing and ironing (raf inspection tomorrow)
[11:43] <tsmithe> and now i need a bath :)


[10:43] <yillkid> Hi all.
[10:44] <yillkid> I have a question, dows Ubuntu Mobile can install on AMD platform ?
[10:44] <yillkid>  I have a question, does Ubuntu Mobile can install on AMD platform ?


[17:10] <bePolite> Please can someone help me the the bzr equivalent to git stash
[17:10] <bePolite> I am trying to revert the changes I made to a repository
[17:35] <LeoNerd> Wow, nobody awake?
[17:36] <LeoNerd> (the answer is  bzr shelve  for reference)
[19:37] <_mj> https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr-explorer/+question/245103
[19:37] <_mj> can anybody please help me with this ?


[08:31] <Chat7211> molweni.Dumelang.
[08:42] <sflr> happy youth day every one!
[10:07] <NeVeR_> what a waste of a public holiday :( On a saturday ftl..
[10:28] <charl> afternoon
[10:28] <charl> father's day, mother's day, youth day, children's day, everyone needs a day
[10:29] <charl> what about grandparent's day
[10:29] <charl> and infants day
[10:39] <NeVeR_> lol
[10:39] <NeVeR_> or "My day"
[10:40] <NeVeR_> or Young adults day
[10:40] <NeVeR_> singles day
[10:40] <NeVeR_> ubuntu day
[10:46] <charl> yup
[10:47] <charl> i srsly don't care for public holidays
[10:47] <Banlam> NeVeR_, I'm sure if you actually do a search, most of those days exist
[10:47] <Banlam> whether widely accepted or not
[10:48] <NeVeR_> :P
[10:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:55] <Kilos> cremora minora
[11:01] <Kilos> yo Banlam charl
[11:03] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[11:03]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:04] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[11:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:07] <Kilos> yo Tonberrymeeting monday night hey
[11:07] <Tonberry> oh
[11:07] <Tonberry> ok
[11:07] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[11:07] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[11:52] <Kilos> twitter is really lagging today
[11:52] <Kilos> maybe its choqok
[11:53] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:58] <nuvolari> o/
[12:58] <nuvolari> lo
[13:01] <Kilos> yo nuvolari
[13:08] <Kilos> nog nie bloeps uitgewerk in Konversation nie
[13:12] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[13:12] <nuvolari> maar vir hoekom gebruik oom Konversation?
[13:17] <charl> konversation... dat is tog 'n instant messaging program?
[13:18] <charl> meeste instant messaging programme ondersteun ook irc so dit kan wel
[13:18] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[13:18]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[13:18] <charl> danke schon
[13:19] <inetpro> Konversation is a user-friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client built on the KDE Platform
[13:19] <charl> ah... what was the KDE IM client called again...
[13:19] <inetpro> http://konversation.kde.org/?about
[13:19] <inetpro> charl: Kopete
[13:19] <charl> oh wait, that was called kopete yes
[13:19] <charl> sorry got the two mixed up
[13:20] <charl> there was another programme called i think quassel
[13:20] <charl> i really disliked that one
[13:22] <charl> Kilos: please let us know how you find konversation to be... i think i should switch from xchat/irssi
[13:22] <inetpro> charl: eh, it may not be as feature complete as konversation but it is brilliant when used together with quassel-core
[13:22] <charl> oh wait quassel-core is a bnc right?
[13:22] <charl> yeah ok never tried that
[13:22] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[13:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[13:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[13:22] <charl> i only have one problem with irssi... and that is there is no mention notification
[13:23] <charl> i know you can hack it in with your own scripts though but that's an advantage of a gui client
[13:23] <Kilos> charl: havent got sound in konveration yet but very like xchat
[13:24] <Kilos> maqybe xchat better
[13:24] <charl> ah ok
[13:24] <Kilos> Maaz: ty
[13:24] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:24] <Charl> Maaz: danke schon
[13:24] <Maaz> Charl: *blink*
[13:25] <Charl> Maaz: botsnack
[13:25] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[13:25] <Kilos> xchat is more user friendly if you are gnome oriented
[13:25] <inetpro> Kilos: go to Configure | Notifications
[13:25] <Kilos> yo inetpro
[13:25] <inetpro> Kilos: oops, go to Settings | Configure Notifications
[13:26] <Kilos> got it ty inetpro
[13:27] <Kilos> takes a bit of getting used to the different names for things
[13:27] <inetpro> you can set all kinds of sounds for multiple events
[13:27] <Kilos> also inetpro i had to /msg nickserv to say its me
[13:28] <inetpro> something like 17 different events
[13:28] <Kilos> oh and its going via ubuntu irc not freenode. is that ok?
[13:28] <inetpro> Kilos: it's easier than falling off a tree, just go figure
[13:29] <Kilos> hahaha ya man i spent hours with it
[13:29] <Kilos> xchat is easier for ordinary peeps
[13:30] <inetpro> you can change the defaults and connect to chat.freenode.net on port 7070 in stead
[13:30] <Kilos> whats the diffs?
[13:30] <inetpro> Kilos: just because you are used to it?
[13:30] <Kilos> will it get here easier
[13:31] <inetpro> it's the same all over
[13:31] <inetpro> it's just another one of many many irc clients
[13:31] <Kilos> ah then its ok
[13:32] <inetpro> the important issues to learn is where to connect to and what your nickname is
[13:32] <Kilos> oh and with xchat i see more info next to nicks like IP etc
[13:33] <Kilos> is that also another thing i must go figure?
[13:33] <Kilos> and i gotta start from cli, nothing in internet goodies
[13:34] <inetpro> gotta start from cli?
[13:34] <Kilos> so we gonna be off anyway for a while
[13:34] <Kilos> have to start it in terminal
[13:34] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:34] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[13:35] <Kilos> lol what am i missing
[13:35] <inetpro> anyways, me has to go now
[13:35]  * inetpro wanna try and upgrade some machines today
[13:35] <Kilos> ok see yous when freenode revives
[13:36] <Kilos> im on ubuntu irc so it wont bug me
[13:36] <Kilos> only you freenode guys
[14:06] <Kilos> oh nuvolari also if i can get used to kde maybe my pc will handle 12.04 without getting another graphics card
[14:15] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[14:15]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[14:15] <Kilos> ah only chanserv quit
[15:01] <nuvolari> superfly: ping
[15:01] <nuvolari> (or anyone python-savvy)
[15:02] <zeref> nuvolari: i know a bit of python
[15:03] <nuvolari> zeref: do you know how to remove something that has been installed using setuptools?
[15:07] <zeref> ummm
[15:07] <zeref> setuptools has the easy install module right?
[15:07] <nuvolari> yeah, that's about all I know :P
[15:08] <zeref> if yes then easy_install -mxN PackageName
[15:09] <zeref> i used to use this guide: http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/EasyInstall
[15:21] <nuvolari> zeref: thanks
[15:36] <Kilos> inetpro, when you dumping unity?
[16:02] <magespawn> Evening all
[16:02] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[16:13] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[16:18] <magespawn> Whats up?
[16:18] <Kilos> not much. too cold to think up here
[16:19] <Kilos> hi sflr
[16:20] <sflr> hi Kilos!
[16:20] <magespawn> Hah you guys should really come here for winter.
[16:20] <magespawn> Hi sflr
[16:21] <Kilos> yeah i agree. tvl no good in winter
[16:21] <sflr> hi magespawn
[16:21] <sflr> what is there in winter?
[16:21] <Kilos> northern natal
[16:21] <magespawn> Hluhluwe
[16:23] <Charl> i would melt there
[16:23] <Charl> i visited my uncle in nelspruit a few times
[16:23] <sflr> haha, is it nice and warm there?
[16:23] <Kilos> lol lekker for ballies
[16:23] <Charl> yup
[16:24] <magespawn> Hluhluwe has two seasons, summer which is now and hell which is the rest of the year
[16:24] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[16:24] <Kilos> even summer ther is good man
[16:24] <Kilos> worked there in summer
[16:24] <Kilos> gets warm at times
[16:24] <Kilos> 40°c
[16:25] <magespawn> 90% humidity
[16:25] <sflr> hectic. is it close to the beach at least?
[16:25] <Kilos> humidity is good
[16:25] <Kilos> no lung probs
[16:26] <magespawn> No not really about 100km drive.
[16:27] <sflr> there must be a reason there is a city there. agriculture?
[16:27] <Kilos> farmers
[16:27] <sflr> ok
[16:28] <Kilos> somewhere there are big pineapple farms too i think
[16:28] <Kilos> and the game reserve is right there
[16:29] <magespawn> Biggest pineapple farms in SA, sokething like 80 - 90% os SA total.
[16:29] <magespawn> Something
[16:30] <magespawn> Not a city small town / village.
[16:30] <Kilos> dorpie
[16:30] <sflr> pineapple must be cheap there!
[16:30] <magespawn> Yup
[16:30] <magespawn> And yup.
[16:30] <sflr> yes, i looked on the map now
[16:30] <Kilos> big queen pines if i member right
[16:30] <Kilos> and canning factory near by
[16:31] <magespawn> And some small ones, no canning factory here.
[16:31] <Kilos> oh is it bit north
[16:31] <Kilos> i cant member 30 years back
[16:32] <magespawn> There is no factory here now.
[16:32] <Kilos> it wasnt in hluhluwe it was onna farm somewhere
[16:32] <Kilos> north
[16:33] <Kilos> tween you and that big dam
[16:33] <sflr> how is the internet connection there?
[16:33] <magespawn> There is a drying factory, I think that used to be canning. Most of the pineapples are userd for fresh export.
[16:33] <Banlam> dried pineapple?
[16:34] <Kilos> ah
[16:34] <magespawn> In the town cell 3g and adsl, outside gprs.
[16:34] <magespawn> Yes Banlam.
[16:34] <Banlam> how do i not know about this
[16:35] <Kilos> just so you can say everyday i learn something new
[16:35] <magespawn> Indeed.
[16:35] <Kilos> yo smile
[16:37] <smile> hi! :D
[16:37] <magespawn> Western cqpe is where most of the canning pineapples come from now.
[16:38] <magespawn> Cape
[16:38] <sflr> there is a soccer and rugby field :) looking at it in google earth. and 3 traffic circles. lol
[16:38]  * Banlam hasn't seen pineapples in WC before
[16:39] <magespawn> Yup thats us.
[16:40] <sflr> magespawn, is there lagoons or dams? I see lots of water towards the ocean
[16:40] <smile> Kilos: how are you? :)à
[16:40] <magespawn> If you search G&C Net, Hluhluwe, it should show my shop.
[16:40] <Kilos> good ty smile
[16:40] <Kilos> and you?
[16:40] <magespawn> That would be Lake St Lucia and False Bay.
[16:42] <magespawn> Part of the Isimangaliso world heritage site.
[16:43] <sflr> i see the shop. big white house with trees, in middle of a big plot.
[16:43] <magespawn> Do not quote me on the spelling of that.
[16:43] <magespawn> Thats it sflr.
[16:43] <smile> Kilos: tired, but fine :)
[16:43] <Kilos> ah smile  cure for tired is sleep
[16:44] <sflr> hey smile
[16:44] <smile> sflr: hi :)
[16:44] <smile> Kilos: yes I know :p but no time to sleep :p
[16:44] <Kilos> eish
[16:45] <magespawn> You know if you do not sleep you lose your memory and go mad.
[16:45] <smile> magespawn: yes. :p
[16:45] <smile> But I will sleep. But not now
[16:45] <sflr> smile is taking the Limitless tablets ;)
[16:45] <smile> :o
[16:46] <smile> in 4 hours i'll sleep :)
[16:46] <Kilos> whew
[16:46] <magespawn> Anybody know the score?
[16:46] <Banlam> 36027 to us
[16:46] <Kilos> whew
[16:46] <Banlam> 36-27 to us
[16:47] <magespawn> Ty Banlam.
[16:47] <Banlam> np
[16:48] <sflr> I didnt expect anything less
[16:48] <magespawn> Why in 4 hours smile?
[16:49] <sflr> watching 24 hours Le Mans race?  lol
[16:49] <smile> magespawn: because then it's 21:50 here :)
[16:49] <Kilos> hehe i love motor racing
[16:49] <Banlam> le mans is gonna be on for a lot longer than another 4 hours :P
[16:49] <sflr> Kilos, Le Mans is on now
[16:50] <Kilos> if you have dstv ya
[16:50] <Banlam> 36-27 final score
[16:50] <sflr> smile, where are you?
[16:50] <magespawn> Somewhere in our time zone.
[16:51] <Kilos> europe methinks
[16:51] <sflr> magespawn, he said he sleeps in 4 hours time @ 10pm. in our time zone in 4 hours time will be 11pm. that's why I was wondering. hehe
[16:51] <smile> sflr: GMT +1 (but in summer GMT +2)
[16:51] <smile> :)
[16:51] <sflr> ok. Northern hemi
[16:52] <Banlam> whose summer? :P
[16:53] <magespawn> We are GMT +2 all the time.
[16:53] <magespawn> Aren't we?
[16:53] <Kilos> lol yeah we dont daylight save
[16:54] <magespawn> In SA we don't save much.
[16:54] <smile> magespawn: ^^
[16:54] <Kilos> aus is 8 hours ahead in theiur summer and 9 in winter
[16:54] <Kilos> lol @ magespawn
[16:54] <magespawn> Brb going to bath fish2.
[16:54] <Kilos> k
[16:57] <smile> :DD
[16:57] <smile> The preload attribute is supported in all major browsers, except Internet Explorer and Opera. :o
[17:00] <Kilos> all good sflr ?
[17:04] <magespawn> Back.
[17:14] <smile> brb. :)
[17:14] <magespawn> I did not think IE was A major browser
[17:32] <magespawn> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/m/news/index.cfm?release=2012-177 from Jonathan Carter in G+
[17:32] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[17:32] <smile> Kilos: hiiiii :DD
[17:33] <Kilos> hiiiii smile <3
[17:34] <smile> :DD
[17:34] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:35] <Kilos> lol dunno what that is here but on aim its a heart
[17:35] <psydroid> hoi smile
[17:35] <psydroid> I am just awake now
[17:35] <psydroid> hello magespawn
[17:36] <magespawn> Hey psydroid
[17:37] <smile> psydroid: :o :o
[17:37] <smile> Kilos: lol :p
[17:38] <Kilos> too much work to try remember what all the text smiles are
[17:38] <psydroid> smile, I had a headache so I decided to lie down for a few hours, I'm feeling better now
[17:38] <Kilos> good psydroid headaches suck
[17:39] <smile> psydroid: good. :)
[17:39] <smile> Kilos: :o is surprised, :p is the normal with the tongue. and :) is a happy one. :D is even happier and :DD the happiest :)
[17:39] <psydroid> yeah
[17:40] <Kilos> lol ya thats fine if you can remember them
[17:40] <Kilos> where does the <3 come from
[17:41] <Kilos> my daughter uses it all the time
[17:48] <miles_> grrr
[17:50] <magespawn> http://christianoss.org/blog/2012/06/15/understanding-open-source-movement  recommended by one of our community, written by another.
[17:51] <smile> grr :p
[17:51] <magespawn> From google plus
[17:52] <miles_> grrr
[17:53] <smile> grr. :p
[17:53] <miles_> sukkeling to make Konversation use my nick
[17:53] <miles_> :|
[17:55] <Kilos> whew
[17:55] <Kilos> betcha it forgets again
[17:55] <Kilos> grrr
[17:57] <Kilos> superfly: advice please. will kubuntu 12.04 not want to see a better graphics card?
[17:57] <Kilos> like unity
[18:02] <psydroid> it will, Kilos
[18:02] <psydroid> something is definitely not ok in 12.04
[18:02] <Kilos> will it also want a better graphics card?
[18:02] <psydroid> it feels slower than the previous
[18:03] <psydroid> yes, I think so
[18:03] <psydroid> the previous LTS release
[18:03] <Kilos> eish i thought is was just gnome3 and unity that did that
[18:03] <psydroid> I think it's something with xorg
[18:03] <psydroid> no, I think the problem lies deeper
[18:04] <Kilos> grrr
[18:04] <psydroid> I'm not completely sure, but this is what I have noticed on a few systems where kubuntu is slow while ubuntu 10.04 flies
[18:05] <psydroid> kubuntu 12.04, that is
[18:05] <Kilos> maybe then i will try get kubuntu11.10
[18:05] <psydroid> but it's funny that 12.04 prereleases and even 11.10 were faster
[18:05] <psydroid> I had stability problems with 11.1/
[18:06] <psydroid> 11.10*
[18:06] <Kilos> lol murphy says if you can struggle you will
[18:07] <psydroid> and the 12.10 daily I recently installed on a machine seemed to be broken too so I couldn't update
[18:07] <Kilos> ouch
[18:08] <psydroid> so I keep waiting for a kubuntu release that is actually usable, until that time ubuntu 10.04.4 serves me well
[18:08] <Kilos> my son is using 11.04 upgraded online to 11.10 and is happy with it
[18:09] <Kilos> kubuntu that is
[18:09] <Kilos> maybe each pc has its own prefs
[18:10] <magespawn> My laptop is on 10.04 ubuntu, and two pc in the shop are on 11.10 ubuntu and kubuntu, one each. No problems with any so far.
[18:11] <Kilos> my pc loves 10.10. worked better and faster than 10.04
[18:11] <Kilos> maverick rocks but no more security updates
[18:11] <Kilos> sigh
[18:12] <psydroid> yes, neither the oldest nor the newest is the best for each machine
[18:12] <psydroid> that's why I have several releases installed at the same time
[18:13] <Kilos> 10.04 just needed tweeking to make it use pidgin mxit and a few other things which were working right off in maverick
[18:13] <Kilos> hi bmg505
[18:13] <bmg505> lo
[18:13] <bmg505> vity powa sucks
[18:13] <bmg505> *city
[18:13] <Kilos> meeting monday night hey
[18:14] <bmg505> what time?
[18:14] <Kilos> lol try being on a plot
[18:14] <Kilos> meet here at 19.30
[18:14] <bmg505> my brain has been frozen for at least a week now
[18:14] <bmg505> time for summer
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah join the family
[18:15] <Kilos> freezing in the tvl
[18:15] <bmg505> I enjoy complaining about rain and heat much more than complaining about this fridge
[18:15] <Kilos> i tried singing the mtn song a few times. it didnt help
[18:15] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:16] <bmg505> probably because you do not have enough airtime :)
[18:16] <Kilos> dont complain about rain. rain keeps everything growing
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:17] <Kilos> no rain no food for sheep and other grass eaters
[18:20] <Kilos> haha
[18:21] <Kilos> excuse me if i mess around some guys, im trying to get Konversation configured without much luck
[18:33] <smile> bye :)
[18:33] <Kilos> sleep tight smile
[18:33] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:33] <superfly> Kilos: no, KDE has a "2D" mode
[18:34] <Kilos> yay superflyso i can use it then
[18:34] <superfly> yup
[18:34] <Kilos> ty
[18:35] <magespawn> Superfly I have foundnthe hardware requirements are quite low compared to the other os choices
[18:41] <Kilos> sflr: you still here?
[18:42] <Kilos> hmmm maybe the 24 hour was too long and he fell off his stool
[18:45] <Kilos-> hmm
[18:58] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Bye
[19:03] <magespawn> Night all.


[04:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#2353 closed: tests: remove dependency on snapcraft for integration tests <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2353>
[05:11] <mborzecki> morning
[05:13] <mborzecki> ugh, travis jobs unhappy again
[05:43] <zyga> good morning
[05:43] <zyga> mborzecki: the dreaded accounts service test
[05:43] <mborzecki> zyga: hey
[05:44] <mborzecki> yeah, not repeating in isolation :/
[05:44] <zyga> I reproduced it but didn't noice and closed the session
[05:44] <mborzecki> ayy
[05:44] <mup> PR snapd#5990 opened: tests: do not run degraded test in autopkgtest env <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5990>
[05:45] <mvo> hey zyga
[05:45] <mvo> and hey mborzecki
[05:45] <mborzecki> mvo: hey
[05:45] <zyga> hey mvo
[05:45] <zyga> good morning
[05:45] <zyga> I haven't seen infinity yet
[05:45] <mvo> zyga: I just asked him in #ubuntu-release
[05:45] <zyga> I kicked off main again, I will try to hunt the accounts service failure
[05:45] <zyga> thanks!
[05:46] <mborzecki> hm maybe it's something about gce being slow or sth, that online accounts service is dbus activated, isn't it?
[05:46] <mvo> zyga: thank you - all autopkgtest are good except for the degraded one
[05:46] <mvo> zyga: I do the proper release now (without the umount fix sadly)
[05:54] <zyga> mborzecki: unlikely, bus activated services get the socket from systemd, right?
[05:54] <zyga> mborzecki: so you'd race with systemd
[05:54] <zyga> well - we shall see really
[06:12] <mup> PR snapd#5966 closed: snap: overhaul validation error messages <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5966>
[06:16] <mup> PR snapd#5991 opened: release: 2.35.5 <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5991>
[06:21] <mup> PR snapd#5992 opened: release: merge 2.35.5 changes into the 2.36 branch <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5992>
[06:24] <zyga> https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/10/15/restyling-apps-at-scale/ <- interesting for theming
[06:46] <mborzecki> heh pushed a commit with some additional debug to the PR that failed consistntly due to interfaces-accounts-service, and it's failing no more
[06:46] <mborzecki> why am i even suprised
[06:48] <zyga> brb
[06:48] <zyga> mborzecki: it's just an ordering issue
[06:57] <mborzecki> zyga: i'm not so sure, the testt that executed before this one do not seem reelvant
[07:01] <zyga> mborzecki: I sent a trivial PR, we'll see
[07:02] <mborzecki> zyga: are debug sections meged together?
[07:02] <mup> PR snapd#5993 opened: tests: show list of processes when ifaces-accounts-service fails <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5993>
[07:03] <pstolowski> mornings
[07:03] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:09] <zyga> Oh! No
[07:14] <mborzecki> pulled logs from 6 failed runs, dropped into python to check if there's a test common to all failed jobs that ran before, seems there's no connection there
[07:15] <mborzecki> maybe we shuld just switch this test to manual to unblock prs
[07:23] <mborzecki> zyga: this is what i'm trying with here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ktcj47ZDqh/
[07:29] <mup> PR snapd#5991 closed: release: 2.35.5 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5991>
[07:31] <mup> PR snapd#5990 closed: tests: do not run degraded test in autopkgtest env <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5990>
[07:45] <pedronis> mborzecki: the failure mode of that test look like the are different services that provide similar but different apis for something, it's quite weird
[07:55] <mup> PR snapd#5994 opened: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[08:04] <mborzecki> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9oddtb/flatpaks_sandboxes_and_security/ another *pak & sandbox thread
[08:10] <mup> PR snapd#5984 closed: ifacestate/hooks: only create interface hook tasks if hooks exist (2.36) <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5984>
[08:10] <zyga> woot, that's great
[08:10] <zyga> thank you again pstolowski
[08:10] <zyga> I will try to optimise apparmor use next week
[08:10] <pstolowski> zyga: sounds awesome!
[08:17] <zyga> man, reading reddit is a waste of time
[08:18] <mborzecki> zyga: heh, usual bs in the comments
[08:18] <zyga> BS is one thing, I really cannot stand people that claim to know something but are clearly clueless about it
[08:23] <mborzecki> btw. on the topic of desktop themes, anyone running kde? do gtk apps from snaps have breeze properly applied to them?
[08:24] <zyga> mborzecki: sorry, I'm on gnome usually
[08:24] <zyga> but on the bright side, we will always have Adwaita
[08:29] <zyga> eh
[08:29] <zyga> not a great morning
[08:30] <mvo> sil2100: bad news, probert seems to be still crashing, I have a theory (only tested on my pi3-64)
[08:30] <zyga> question, what is probers?
[08:30] <zyga> probert
[08:40] <Chipaca> we need a "this topic provides no added value" thing for the forum :-|
[08:40]  * zyga hugs Chipaca
[08:41] <zyga> what topic is that?
[08:41] <Chipaca> zyga: today, it's https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gnome-calendar-is-not-in-spanish/7866/11
[08:41] <Chipaca> if it were a support ticket, i wouldn't mind
[08:43] <Chipaca> also, ps, spanish is not a regional language :)
[08:45] <sil2100> mvo: oh no
[08:45] <sil2100> Let me check if the right version has been pulled in
[08:46] <sil2100> Yeah, it looks like it
[08:46] <sil2100> mvo: so it's still crashing at the same place in console-conf? On startup?
[08:48] <Chipaca> zyga: has anything reached master since yesterday?
[08:48] <zyga> not that I know of :/
[08:48] <zyga> let me look
[08:49] <zyga> Chipaca: actually, I'm mistaken
[08:49] <zyga> 063f83e687d1fa2d339bc123ff5c37a2030afb50 landed
[08:49] <Chipaca> zyga: hello mistaken, i'm Chipaca
[08:49] <zyga> I'm Zygmunt if I'm not mistaken
[08:49] <zyga> ;-)
[08:49] <zyga> (or both, knowing me)
[08:50] <Chipaca> mborzecki: does 'gdbus monitor' work withouot --dest?
[08:51] <Chipaca> $ gdbus monitor --session
[08:51] <Chipaca> Error: Destination is not specified
[08:51] <sil2100> zyga: did you try a new image on your dragonboard?
[08:51] <Chipaca> mborzecki: go with dbus-monitor --session
[08:51] <zyga> sil2100: I only have the image from Friday
[08:52] <zyga> shall I re-download http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/dragonboard.img.xz ?
[08:53] <mup> PR snapd#5995 opened: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: switch to manual while we debug the test <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5995>
[08:54] <mborzecki> Chipaca: see #5994
[08:54] <mup> PR #5994: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[08:55] <Chipaca> mborzecki: better :)
[08:55] <Chipaca> mborzecki: or was it always like that, and I'm in need of more coffee?
[08:55] <zyga> meh, now travis is not doing much
[08:55] <zyga> ohhh coffee
[08:55] <mborzecki> Chipaca: no, i mistyped it, had it `dbus monitor` before
[08:55] <zyga> I could use that
[08:55] <Chipaca> hah, even more fun
[08:56] <mborzecki> did eavesdrop need to be expliclitly enabled for session bus?
[08:57] <zyga> not that I recall
[08:59] <Chipaca> mborzecki: what about checking the package version of accountsservice?
[09:00] <mborzecki> Chipaca: that should be the same as if you spin up the test image
[09:01] <Chipaca> hm, tru
[09:01] <Chipaca> e
[09:03] <mborzecki> Chipaca: gnome-online-accounts                 3.18.3-1ubuntu2
[09:07] <mborzecki> btw. pushed a repo with a minimal spread setup i use to spin up images, faster and smaller than doing the same from snapd tree https://github.com/bboozzoo/spread-mini
[09:12] <Chipaca> mborzecki: also: gdbus introspect --session --dest=org.gnome.OnlineAccounts --object-path=/org/gnome/OnlineAccounts/Manager
[09:35] <Chipaca> WTF, travis
[09:43] <Chipaca> mborzecki: zyga: as travis is kinda stuck, would you mind merging #5994 and #5993 into a single one?
[09:43] <mup> PR #5994: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[09:43] <mup> PR #5993: tests: show list of processes when ifaces-accounts-service fails <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5993>
[09:43] <mborzecki> hahah
[09:43] <Chipaca> oh wait one of them is already running
[09:44] <Chipaca> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:48] <mborzecki> ok, hm last time we were debugging this test the observation was that the signature returned as 'expected' is correct and matches that of AddAccount
[09:49] <sil2100> zyga: I'll rebuild it in a moment
[09:49] <sil2100> (the image)
[09:49] <zyga> sil2100: ok
[09:49] <mborzecki> looking at my notes i was digging into gdbus to see if there's some parsing error
[09:49] <sil2100> I'm on the release sprint right now and we need to fix ubiquity first
[09:49] <zyga> sure
[09:54] <mvo> sil2100: sorry for the delay, had a call - my mistake, console-conf is working!
[09:57] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ISTR gdbus was funny about how it interpreted arguments
[09:57] <mborzecki> Chipaca: i switched to busctl now, will push a commit in a minute
[09:57] <Chipaca> mborzecki: but you can specify the type
[09:57] <mborzecki> at least this one is explicit about the types
[09:58] <Chipaca> mborzecki: ah, good
[10:06] <zyga> mborzecki: what is the chance that with more debugging it will no longer fail ;-) ?
[10:07] <mborzecki> zyga: high :)
[10:07] <zyga> still, I'd love to merge it
[10:07] <zyga> to see what is wrong
[10:08] <zyga> I'm wary of merging your branch with extra kills and what not just because we don't know the problem yet
[10:08] <mborzecki> the upside is we'll know more the next time it appears
[10:08] <zyga> yes, exactly
[10:08] <mborzecki> zyga: i'll drop pkills
[10:15] <sil2100> mvo: \o/
[10:15] <sil2100> mvo: sweet!
[10:16] <sil2100> I'll prep a quick image for zyga in a moment for the db and upload it somewhere, since I'm at the office it should be a fast upload
[10:16] <zyga> cool
[10:18] <mborzecki> zyga: while pipe2 instead of socketpair in your pr?
[10:18] <zyga> no preference really
[10:19] <zyga> also no need to use sockets :-)
[10:20] <mborzecki> zyga: Chipaca: please take a look at #5994
[10:20] <mup> PR #5994: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[10:21] <zyga> what is in dbus.env?
[10:22] <mborzecki> zyga: when you dbus-launch it spits some stuff you can eval in the shell to set the environment variables, now it's dumped to a file in case i need to use it in debug section
[10:24] <zyga> right
[10:24] <zyga> I know that,
[10:24] <zyga> what is there in practice :)
[10:24] <zyga> is it just a variable definition?
[10:24] <Chipaca> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-QvYL1sZnrl,guid=78c09efa6f3ce976cbffb0a35bc5bc72';
[10:24] <Chipaca> export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS;
[10:24] <Chipaca> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID=25966;
[10:24] <Chipaca> DBUS_SESSION_BUS_WINDOWID=119537665;
[10:25] <mborzecki> zyga: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TTh392C3Bb/
[10:25] <zyga> aha, I see
[10:25] <zyga> thanks!
[10:25] <mborzecki> oh, windowid?
[10:25] <mborzecki> wonder why i don't have it
[10:26] <Chipaca> mborzecki: probably because I did it from within X and you didn't
[10:26] <zyga> mborzecki: my PR passed
[10:26] <zyga> let's merge it
[10:26] <zyga> man, I knew this would happen
[10:27] <mborzecki> Chipaca: hm did it in tmux, which was in turn started by systemd user session, maybe that's why
[10:27] <zyga> sil2100: flashing now
[10:27] <Chipaca> an extra downside of this accounts service silliness is that it took me a day to see a trivial bug in my shutdown pr
[10:28] <zyga> now let's reproduce the f*r
[10:28] <mup> PR snapd#5993 closed: tests: show list of processes when ifaces-accounts-service fails <Created by zyga> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5993>
[10:28] <sil2100> zyga: thanks! Fingers crossed it's all resolved here as well
[10:30] <zyga> we will know soon
[10:33] <mup> PR snapd#5996 opened: [RFC] daemon: support `snap logs snapd` to get snapd logs <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5996>
[10:35] <mvo> cachio: good morning! new snapd 2.35.5 in beta - sorry for yet another dot release :/
[10:35] <mvo> cachio: but .4 is fine, this is just yet another fix on top
[10:37] <mup> PR snapd#5997 opened: ifacestate: simplify task chaining in ifacestate.Connect <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5997>
[10:38] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ^ the simplification you suggested in previous PRs
[10:38] <pstolowski> *PR
[10:38] <zyga> nice pstolowski :)
[10:38] <mborzecki> pstolowski: nice
[10:40] <zyga> sil2100, mvo: booting ...
[10:40] <zyga> fingers crossed
[10:43] <zyga> sil2100, mvo: no more crashes!
[10:43] <zyga> woot
[10:43] <mvo> zyga: yay
[10:43] <zyga> sil2100: what was the issue?
[10:47] <zyga> sil2100, mvo: although it does not crash I cannot actually connect to wifi
[10:47] <zyga> it times out all the time
[10:47] <zyga> (wifi dit not change)
[10:47] <mvo> zyga: same for me on my pi3-64
[10:47] <mvo> sil2100: -^
[10:48] <zyga> bor0en
[10:48] <zyga> or just broken
[10:51] <Chipaca> mvo: want me to give the appInfosFor a stab? I'm blocked waiting for spread otherwise :-)
[10:51] <Chipaca> bah, i've got other things i could do
[10:52] <Chipaca> like lunhc
[10:52] <Chipaca> lunch
[10:52] <Chipaca> but that's boring
[10:57] <zyga> sil2100: do you need that reported?
[10:59] <mup> PR snapd#5998 opened: osutil: tweak handling of error adduser errors <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5998>
[11:01] <mvo> Chipaca: app infos for as in 5996?
[11:01] <Chipaca> mvo: ah, yes :-)
[11:02] <mvo> Chipaca: I would not mind - but note its still an RFC PR that needs approval from gustavo
[11:03] <Chipaca> mvo: actually we could expose a pseudo-snap 'snapd' in /v2/snaps
[11:04] <mvo> Chipaca: that works for me
[11:04] <mvo> Chipaca: no strong opinion either way
[11:04] <Chipaca> mvo: snapInfosFor calls allLocalSnapInfos, if we make that one pseudo-snapd-aware, we get a consistent pseudo-snapd in the api (except you can't remove/refresh/etc it sometimes)
[11:04] <Chipaca> (the latter makes it awkward, i guess)
[11:04] <Chipaca> bah :)
[11:05] <Chipaca> it depends on what we want
[11:05] <Chipaca> i'll comment on the rfc
[11:05]  * mvo nods
[11:05] <mvo> thank you!
[11:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: we have system and snapd (as pseudo but not quite things),  should snap logs system do the same,  do something?
[11:07] <pedronis> all of this is cute but without a plan it will get messy
[11:07] <zyga> snap logs system giving just snapd logs feels weird though
[11:08] <pedronis> yea, agreed
[11:08] <pedronis> also snapd will be a snap
[11:08] <zyga> but without services
[11:08] <zyga> so all kinds of weirdness
[11:09] <sil2100> zyga: yeah, not sure what's the reason for that not working, I think I also had wifi issues on my regular armhf rpi3 core18 last time
[11:09] <Chipaca> pedronis: zyga: FC on the RFC
[11:09] <sil2100> Not sure if that got reported somewhere
[11:09] <sil2100> I guess Paolo was looking at something like that?
[11:10] <pedronis> Chipaca: my C  is mostly that it probably needs a forum topic
[11:16] <Chipaca> sergiusens: what was the env var that dropped snap/snapcraft.yaml and manifest.yaml into the snap?
[11:18] <pedronis> Chipaca: I think  SNAPCRAFT_BUILD_INFO=1  from here:  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/notifications-for-out-of-date-stage-packages/5161
[11:18] <Chipaca> thanks
[11:27] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I see you found it
[11:28] <Chipaca> sergiusens: yes, thanks
[11:28] <pstolowski> we're at the brink of opening 3rd page of PRs... would be good to land some
[11:28] <Chipaca> grep took me to the tests, and then samuele confirmed it :)
[11:28] <Chipaca> pstolowski: har har
[11:29] <sergiusens> Chipaca: hah, I thought you would have done a forum search first 😉
[11:29] <Chipaca> pstolowski: dunno if you noticed but we've been fighting the spread tests since at least yesterday
[11:30] <mborzecki> pstolowski: well, stuff is blocked by travis atm
[11:30] <pstolowski> Chipaca: yes i'm aware
[11:30] <Chipaca> pstolowski: almost everything in the first page is red
[11:30] <mborzecki> hopefully we can land #5994 soon
[11:30] <Chipaca> so, i mean, sure it'd be nice to land stuff
[11:30] <mup> PR #5994: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[11:32] <zyga> mborzecki: it failed in my PR
[11:32] <mborzecki> zyga: hm, which one?
[11:32] <zyga> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OuTgkBZz/
[11:33] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5988
[11:33] <mup> PR #5988: cmd: rename ns_group to mount_ns <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5988>
[11:33] <mborzecki> zyga: is that goa using 100MB of mem/
[11:34] <zyga> apparently
[11:37] <mborzecki> anyone willing to look at #5959 while we wait for PRs to be green again?
[11:37] <mup> PR #5959: systemd: extend Status() to work for socket and timer units <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5959>
[11:41] <zyga> mborzecki: done
[11:41] <mborzecki> zyga: thanks!
[11:44] <cachio> mvo, hi
[11:44] <cachio> sure
[11:44] <cachio> mvo, I'll make a run
[11:44] <zyga> mborzecki: I pushed https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5999
[11:44] <mup> PR #5999: tests: ensure that goa-daemon is off <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5999>
[11:44] <zyga> not sure if this is a red herring or real
[11:44] <cachio> mvo, should we promote 35.4 to stable?
[11:45] <mup> PR snapd#5999 opened: tests: ensure that goa-daemon is off <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5999>
[11:47] <pstolowski> Chipaca: #5961 gtg
[11:47] <mup> PR #5961: snap/pack, snap/squashfs: use type to determine mksquashfs args <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5961>
[11:48] <mborzecki> zyga: i'm not sure it's a problem though, the original error is Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Type of message, '(ssssa{ss})', does not match expected type '(sssa{sv}a{ss})', so the expected type is correct and matches what busctl introspect shows
[11:49] <mborzecki> zyga: the mystery is why gdbus came up with (ssssa{ss})
[11:50] <mborzecki> zyga: it's like it's treating '{}' as s instead ov a{..}
[11:50] <mborzecki> and only occasionally
[11:51] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[11:52] <dot-tobias> Hi everyone
[11:53] <zyga> hey
[12:00] <sil2100> mvo, zyga: another good news - we seem to have everything for enabling core18 dailies, so I'll do that once we spin out latest RC images for cosmic
[12:00] <sil2100> As I don't want to eat up precious resources before we're done with those
[12:00] <zyga> sil2100: ok let me know if you need any more testing
[12:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#2355 closed: extensions: cleanup and generic tests <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2355>
[12:12] <mup> PR snapd#6000 opened: snap,client: use a different exit code for retryable errors <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6000>
[12:14] <mvo> cachio: yeah, 2.35.4 can go to stable
[12:14] <Chipaca> mvo: do you need #5986 squashed?
[12:14] <mup> PR #5986: data/systemd, wrappers: tweak system-shutdown helper for core18 <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5986>
[12:15] <mvo> sil2100: nice, thanks!
[12:15] <mvo> sil2100: did our 2.35.5 snapd upload from cosmisc-proposed made it?
[12:15] <Chipaca> also dunno what makes gdbus go ssssa{ss} instead of sssa{sv}a{ss} but it looks like it's over it for a bit
[12:15] <Chipaca> :-(
[12:16] <mvo> Chipaca: yes, please squash 5986 it will be needed for 2.36
[12:16] <mvo> Chipaca: and thanks for this PR, nice job!
[12:16] <Chipaca> mvo: should i retarget it? (it's currently targetted to 2.35)
[12:16] <Chipaca> targeted*
[12:16] <mvo> Chipaca: yeah, I really really job we are done with 2.35
[12:16] <Chipaca> :)
[12:17] <mvo> pedronis: I pushed a PR for the retryable errors, iirc field was askign for this in the context of auto-connect (just fyi)
[12:18] <dot-tobias> ogra: I'm trying to rotate the HDMI display connected to my Pi 3B running Core edge (edge because I need the mir-kiosk snap). setting pi-config.display-rotate=1 and then rebooting seems to bog the system, it does not boot up at all anymore. Removing the option from config.txt (SD inserted into the reader on my main machine) allows proper boot again. This does not occur on Core stable. Is this known or should I open a forum thread? Couldn't find
[12:18] <dot-tobias>  anything there.
[12:18] <mup> PR snapd#5986 closed: data/systemd, wrappers: tweak system-shutdown helper for core18 <Simple 😃> <⚠ Critical> <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5986>
[12:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#2356 opened: nodejs plugin: add support for bases <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2356>
[12:20] <Chipaca> pstolowski: thanks for the review! I'll add a comment to Alike in a followup (but note it's only there for tests)
[12:21] <pstolowski> Chipaca: k, yes, i know it's for test
[12:21] <pedronis> mvo: ah, I see, was confused for a second (too many problems with similar terms)
[12:21] <mup> PR snapd#5961 closed: snap/pack, snap/squashfs: use type to determine mksquashfs args <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5961>
[12:29] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, do you want a 2.36 branch for PR 5989?
[12:29] <zyga> error: cannot communicate with server: Post http://localhost/v2/snaps: write unix @->/run/snapd.socket: write: broken pipe
[12:29] <mup> PR #5989: interfaces/system-key: add parser mtime and only discover features on write <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5989>
[12:29] <zyga> man, my trivial PR is red for 40 hours over random stuff
[12:29] <jdstrand> zyga: hey, I know the feeling
[12:29] <zyga> yeah :|
[12:30] <jdstrand> "do I really want to fix that typo?" ;)
[12:30] <zyga> mvo: the graceful restart thing, is that a thing?
[12:30] <zyga> graceful restart breaking snap install (perhaps) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6cblPVl4/
[12:31] <zyga> jdstrand: "let's start with this simple PR"
[12:32] <jdstrand> zyga: "I'll just merge from trunk"
[12:32] <zyga> jdstrand: I actually tried to debug various failures
[12:32] <jdstrand> zyga: I see you are looking at the accounts-service ones. thanks!
[12:32] <zyga> but this is not the very best of Tuesdays
[12:33] <jdstrand> been seeing those a lot
[12:35] <mvo> jdstrand: yes please - 2.36 for 5989
[12:36] <mvo> zyga: hm, the graceful stop breaks? or start? the log you pasted looks harmless?
[12:36] <mborzecki> re
[12:36] <zyga> snap install died on unix socket hangup
[12:37] <zyga> error: cannot communicate with server: Post http://localhost/v2/snaps: write unix @->/run/snapd.socket: write: broken pipe
[12:37] <mvo> zyga: oh? do you have more details?
[12:37] <mborzecki> zyga: got journactl of snapd?
[12:37] <zyga> doesn't look transparent
[12:37] <zyga> https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/441691823/log.txt
[12:37] <mvo> zyga: thanks, let me look
[12:37] <zyga> look for "error executing" please
[12:37] <zyga> save the log guys, I really want to land and iterate :/
[12:37] <zyga> so I want to restart that job
[12:37] <zyga> just tell me when please
[12:38] <mvo> zyga: right, I see the error
[12:40] <zyga> mborzecki: ready?
[12:40] <mborzecki> zyga: yeah
[12:40] <zyga> restarting job
[12:40] <mborzecki> mvo: isn't that just snap (the client) polling and hitting /run/snapd.sock with some unfortunate timing?
[12:41] <mvo> mborzecki: the log looks odd, it looks like core got installed
[12:41] <mvo> mborzecki: and with a snap snapd should not go into stop mode
[12:42] <mvo> mborzecki: aha, no - just the core configureation, hm
[12:42] <mvo> mborzecki: maybe it is just unfortunate timing
[12:42] <mvo> mborzecki: which still sucks :/
[12:45] <zyga> mvo: I'm more and more convinced we should do something with systemd to ensure we can shut down gracefully
[12:45] <zyga> (that is, pass the fd back and exit)
[12:45] <zyga> and then let systemd handle the grace period where we are going down
[12:48] <mvo> zyga: right, I'm not sure how to do that race-free yet, I am looking into a test to reproduce the current issue now
[12:51] <mborzecki> zyga: afaiu this is a remote end doing shutdown on a connection
[12:56] <pedronis> niemeyer: mvo: hi, reminder that I have a conflict with the standup
[12:57] <zyga> mvo: did you look at sd_pid_notify_with_fds ?
[12:57] <niemeyer> pedronis: Ack, thanks
[12:57] <mvo> zyga: I did not
[12:58] <mvo> zyga: thank you, I have a look now
[12:59] <mvo> zyga: aha, neat, that looks interessting
[13:01] <mborzecki> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994 is green, land it?
[13:01] <mup> PR #5994: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <⛔ Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[13:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#2357 opened: scons plugin: add support for bases <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2357>
[13:18] <mup> PR snapd#6001 opened: interfaces: typo 'allows' for consistency with other ifaces <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6001>
[13:29] <mup> PR snapd#5994 closed: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: more debugging <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5994>
[13:37] <mup> PR snapd#5988 closed: cmd: rename ns_group to mount_ns <Simple 😃> <Created by zyga> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5988>
[13:42] <mborzecki> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3D95h34pXs/
[13:44] <mborzecki> heh, so i broke dbus/gdbus/goa https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4bF95krMWf/
[13:47] <mup> PR snapd#5995 closed: tests/main/interfaces-accounts-service: switch to manual while we debug the test <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5995>
[13:48] <mup> PR snapd#6002 opened: interfaces/system-key: add parser mtime and only discover features on write - 2.36 <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6002>
[13:52] <Chipaca> mborzecki: the dbus snakes are attacking
[13:52] <pstolowski> zyga: might be worth re-running the tests on 5170, they were last run 19 days ago
[13:52] <zyga> pstolowski: great point
[13:53] <zyga> pstolowski: they will fail on accounts service ;-)
[13:53] <pstolowski> :)
[13:55] <mup> PR snapd#5998 closed: osutil: tweak handling of error adduser errors <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5998>
[14:05] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6002/
[14:05] <mvo> jdstrand: thank you!
[14:05] <mup> PR #6002: interfaces/system-key: add parser mtime and only discover features on write - 2.36 <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6002>
[14:07] <jdstrand> mvo: fyi, I'll let you decide on PR 5980, PR 5981 and PR 5982 for 2.36 (I'm not pushing for it-- might be nice to have more testing), but it would be nice if they were in trunk by SLC
[14:07] <mup> PR #5980: interfaces/apparmor: conditionally add explicit deny rules for ptrace <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5980>
[14:07] <mup> PR #5981: interfaces/many: updates to support k8s worker nodes <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5981>
[14:07] <mup> PR #5982: interfaces/many: conditionally use 'unsafe' with docker-support change_profile rules <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5982>
[14:08] <jdstrand> mvo: that's just an fyi for what I'm thinking about.  A quick check on your PR run tells me so, our are too 😢
[14:11] <cachio> sergiusens, we have several on the queue
[14:11] <sergiusens> but none are running right? just waiting?
[14:11] <cachio> 2 running
[14:12] <cachio> the rest waiting
[14:12] <cachio> 3 running
[14:13] <sergiusens> ah, I see, closer to the bottom https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/pull_requests
[14:14] <cachio> :)
[14:26] <sergiusens> mvo: what is the ETA for core16 coming to stable? Not rushing, just getting my ducks aligned 🙂
[14:26] <zyga> Chipaca, mvo: shall we land the .po update?
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: I'm not sure I can +1 it at this point :)
[14:28] <mvo> sergiusens: thats a sil2100 question now :)
[14:28] <mvo> sergiusens: foundations works on this
[14:28] <mvo> zyga: yes
[14:28] <mvo> Chipaca: no? why not?
[14:28] <Chipaca> zyga: mvo: but I +1 the ones mvo committed
[14:29] <Chipaca> mvo: 5 commits,  4 by me
[14:29] <mvo> Chipaca: haha
[14:29] <mvo> Chipaca: ok
[14:29] <Chipaca> there, I +1'ed it :)
[14:31] <mup> PR snapd#5935 closed: po: sync translations from launchpad <Created by mvo5> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5935>
[14:31] <mvo> thanks zyga
[14:31] <mborzecki> hm i can reproduce the problem with dbus when goa-daemon is in the process of dying and a call is made, at least in that situation busctl delivers more meaningful error message
[14:32] <mborzecki> still, we do not kill goa-daemon in the test
[14:32] <mvo> mborzecki: nice
[14:35] <zyga> mborzecki: my PR has kills it
[14:37] <Chipaca> zyga: mvo: #5980 has two +1's (from you two), is green, but jdstrand said it was ready for re-review. Seems to me to be a quick one :)
[14:37] <mup> PR #5980: interfaces/apparmor: conditionally add explicit deny rules for ptrace <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5980>
[14:38] <sil2100> mvo, sergiusens: aaaaa, for core16 it's well, not foundations as far as I know
[14:38] <sil2100> mvo, sergiusens: since I don't have upload access for core16 in the store or even snap recipe access (AFAIK)
[14:39] <mvo> sil2100: for core16 it is - for "core" (without the 16) we are still in charge
[14:39] <sergiusens> mvo feels like it might still be your problem if only to transition correctly 😅
[14:39] <mvo> sil2100: sounds like we need to fix the access :)
[14:40] <Chipaca> I could use reviews on #5957 (it unblocks #5955)
[14:40] <mup> PR #5957: overlord/snapshotstate/backend: fall back on sudo when no runuser <Snapshots 📸> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5957>
[14:40] <mup> PR #5955:  cmd/snap, tests: snapshots for all <Snapshots 📸> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5955>
[14:40] <mvo> sil2100: snap recipe is here https://github.com/snapcore/core16
[14:41] <mvo> sil2100: and you should have store access now :)
[14:41] <sil2100> mvo: thank you!
[14:42] <mvo> sil2100: let me know if I can help, sorry if my earlier reply to sergiusens  sounded strange, I think for core16 we need the same mechanisms as for core18, i.e. a watcher that scans for package changes and that then triggers a core16 build plus some (auto) testing
[14:43] <sil2100> mvo: sure! The script for core18 is ready btw., just waiting for some time to poke Steve about a nice comfy place for it to be on
[14:44] <sil2100> Hopefully I won't have to create a new instance for it, my mojo mojo is weak
[14:44] <mvo> sil2100: cool
[14:44] <mvo> sil2100: yeah, I had the same problem with my cnf-extractor-charm - fortunately I was rescued by IS
[14:44] <mvo> sil2100: speaking of this, thats something I need to talk to steve about as well :)
[14:45] <mvo> sil2100: anyway, none of your concerns (most likely)
[14:56] <tomwardill> hello! A question, what happens if a snap pre-refresh hook fails? Can it abort the refresh and continue with the existing installed version?
[14:59] <Chipaca> tomwardill: yes
[14:59] <pstolowski> tomwardill: it should work that way yes, are you experiencing something else?
[15:00] <tomwardill> Chipaca, pstolowski: We've not tried yet, was just checking if it worked that way
[15:00] <tomwardill> is it just a case of exit(1) from the hook?
[15:01] <Chipaca> tomwardill: yep
[15:02] <tomwardill> excellent, thanks.
[15:02] <Chipaca> at least that's what the integration test uses :-)
[15:03] <sil2100> sergiusens: anyway, we weren't looking at core16 recently yet
[15:03] <sil2100> sergiusens: so I guess it
[15:03] <sil2100> argh, I guess it
[15:03] <sil2100> (keyboard errors)
[15:03] <sil2100> I guess it'll still take a bit
[15:05] <sil2100> Since you mentioned it now, I'm doing an image test build to see what's the current state
[15:14] <mup> PR snapd#6003 opened: cmd/snap: block 'snap help <cmd> --all' <Simple 😃> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6003>
[16:09] <Chipaca> hmm, hmm, snap refresh --offline
[16:13] <pedronis> Chipaca: what would that do ?
[16:13] <Chipaca> pedronis: remember apt-zip?
[16:14] <pedronis> no
[16:14] <Chipaca> https://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
[16:14] <pedronis> I see
[16:18] <Chipaca> pedronis: context is a person in the forum in 'the heart of africa' (says their profile), 3rd world with intermittent energy and connectivity, wanting to only talk to the store once and get everything for multiple devices
[16:18] <Chipaca> pedronis: I tagged you in one of the topics on this, there's a second (linked to that one)
[16:19] <Chipaca> anyway, i'm off for a bit
[16:20] <mup> PR snapd#6004 opened: cmd/snap-confine: reduce verbosity of debug and error messages <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6004>
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: I think this is what sergiusens may have been reporting. it looks like my 5981, 5989 and 6002 PRs are 'stuck'. 'Details' show all green for 5981, shows spread at 6 minutes for 5989 (did that restart?) and show nothing started for 6002
[16:21] <jdstrand> mvo: let me know if I should do something
[16:36] <zyga> dpkg-deb: error: <compress> from tar -cf subprocess was killed by signal (Illegal instruction), core dumped
[16:36] <zyga> that's a new error
[17:11] <mup> PR snapd#5992 closed: release: merge 2.35.5 changes into the 2.36 branch <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5992>
[17:21] <mvo> jdstrand: sorry for the slow reply - "stuck> not sure what we can do, I poke around a bit
[17:22] <zyga> hey mvo
[17:22] <zyga> back from sports?
[17:22] <mvo> zyga: yes
[17:22] <zyga> mvo: I wonder if I can and 6001 today
[17:24] <zyga> mvo: there's a deadlock in one of the tests: https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/442145572/log.txt
[17:24] <mvo> zyga: urgh
[17:24] <zyga> look for PC=0x5626a1bf1aa1
[17:26] <mvo> zyga: hrm, hrm, its not even clear where it hangs
[17:35] <jdstrand> mvo: no worries. let me know if I need to mash any buttons or anything
[18:01] <zyga> mvo: if still here can I land 5999
[18:02] <zyga> jdstrand: I know there are other priority things on your plate but gentle ping about the oldest open PR: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170
[18:02] <mup> PR #5170: interfaces/builtin: add adb interface <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5170>
[18:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#2357 closed: scons plugin: add support for bases <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2357>
[18:02] <jdstrand> yes. it seems like it, but it isn't forgotten
[18:02] <zyga> that's great, I'll try to review your PRs tomorrow
[18:04] <zyga> jdstrand: I sent a rewording PR for snap-confine but it's just about making the debug and error messages more consistent so I didn't request your review on anything
[18:04] <zyga> there's a 2nd PR about IPC tweak (upgrading eventfd to a full pipe) so that the helper can do more
[18:04] <zyga> I don't think this is security critical either but if you want I can request your review
[18:05] <zyga> though I'd rather not really since it's just the start and I have more after that and it would probably not land this week
[18:05] <jdstrand> zyga: are they all static messages or is there string handling in the debug/error messages that changed?
[18:05] <jdstrand> s/is there/are there/
[18:05] <zyga> nothing new
[18:05] <zyga> just changing existing strings
[18:05] <zyga> no more string manipulation
[18:05] <zyga> (actually less, I remove some of the repeating arguments we keep saying over and over, like snap name)
[18:06] <zyga> In general I tried to make it more terse and more useful
[18:13] <mup> PR snapd#5980 closed: interfaces/apparmor: conditionally add explicit deny rules for ptrace <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5980>
[18:13] <zyga> jdstrand: can you please merge master into 5982
[18:14] <zyga> mvo: FYI: another PR had a deadlock in cmd/snap, something to be wary of
[18:16] <zyga> jdstrand: and 5981 please
[18:16] <zyga> ok, I gotta go
[18:16] <zyga> promised to watch Han Solo with my son :)
[18:16] <zyga> ttyl
[18:19] <jdstrand> zyga: nice, thanks! :)
[18:19] <jdstrand> zyga: enjoy :)
[18:32]  * jdstrand wonders why 5981 is showing changes to master that were merged in 5980
[18:32] <jdstrand> after merging master
[18:36] <jdstrand> oh, it idn't have it yet
[18:36] <jdstrand> weird
[18:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#2358 opened: dotnet plugin: add support for bases <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2358>
[19:10] <mvo> zyga: same package the deadlock?
[19:10] <mvo> zyga: might be worth running it with go test -count 1000
[19:11] <Chipaca> zyga: deadlock?
[19:11] <Chipaca> ah
[19:11] <Chipaca> han solo wins
[20:25] <slvn_> Hey, my 10 snaps games are published for a while. Only two of them appear in the listing of snapcraft.io
[22:35] <mup> PR snapd#6005 opened: snap/pack, snap/squashfs: remove extra copy before mksquashfs <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6005>
[23:10] <mup> PR snapd#6006 opened: tests: move spread-shellcheck to run-checks --static <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6006>
[23:27] <mup> PR snapcraft#2359 opened: [WIP] extensions: add glib <Created by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2359>


[07:26] <dholbach> good morning
[14:26] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: any news on the interviews?
[14:26] <akgraner> nope - everyone I am trying to get is at the sprint  - one sec let me send something right now :-)
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[14:28] <JoseeAntonioR> just let me know so I can do them asap, we've got 4 days left
[14:42] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, just cc'd you
[14:42] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: and here it is!
[14:43] <akgraner> I threw you under the bus to help :-)
[14:43] <akgraner> so you may get some emails - hopefully we get some quotes from people as well
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> btw, all my email addresses end up in the @ubuntu.com
[14:43]  * JoseeAntonioR reads
[14:45] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[14:45] <JoseeAntonioR> in the hangout I'll try to have them set up their lower third so people know who they are, plus it looks professional
[15:33] <akgraner> I've Jane and Leanne have emailed me back so I have a quote from Leanne now and Jane asked for clarification on what time we needed it by I said 00:00(EST) on Sunday/0500 (UTC) Monday.  So hopefully we will get some more responses.
[18:54] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: great, I'll be around all day
[20:40] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, perfect thank you


[15:45] <kwadroke> so, r2d2rodgers - got a particular time in mind for the google+ meetups?
[15:49] <kwadroke> might help if I typed in your name right, r2d2rogers
[17:57] <krakrjak> g+ meetup?
[19:47] <kwadroke> sorry been away
[19:48] <kwadroke> there's talk of a google+ virtual meetup on the carlug.org mailing list
[20:16] <krakrjak> cool!
[23:11] <az7_> this sounds awesome


[08:07] <ariabbas> .
[08:07] <Kilos> hi ariabbas  and others
[08:48] <ariabbas> -;) Kilos
[08:48] <ariabbas> hi all
[09:10] <Kilos> most of africa is still asleep
[09:14] <Kilos> or working for a change
[15:01] <Kilos> hi guys, you all working hard?
[15:03] <coco1> Kilos: hi, hope you are doing very well :-)
[15:03] <Kilos> yeah im well ty, and you coco1
[15:05] <coco1> Thanks, GOD is keeping me well Kilos:
[15:06] <Kilos> great
[15:07] <coco1> (y)
[15:08] <Kilos> how do you make those funny characters? lol
[15:08] <coco1> Ah ah ah ah
[15:08] <Kilos> cellphone?
[15:09]  * coco1 is just saying YES with (y) ***
[15:10] <coco1> Ok no, I'm just using a normal Notebook ;-)
[15:11] <coco1> w/ Pidgin
[15:13] <Kilos> oh you use pidgin for irc, i use pidgin for mxit and masn and those
[15:13] <Kilos> msn
[15:13] <Kilos> i use konversation for irc
[15:14] <Kilos>  i cant even copy paste that +1
[15:16] <coco1> :-D
[15:19] <coco1> I'm using all my IM accounts (Jabber or IRC) w/ Pidgin
[15:21] <Kilos> haha i didnt like everything in pidgin
[15:23] <coco1> OK you are certainly right in your point :-/
[15:25] <Kilos> haha it was all too much with aol and everything else so a genuine irc client suits me better, most peeps use hexchat on ubuntu
[15:25] <Kilos> but on kubuntu konversation is my choice
[15:26] <coco1> Ok cool!
[15:28] <ongolaBoy> irssi (irc) , gajim (xmpp) :)
[15:29] <Kilos> lol
[15:29] <coco1> (y)
[15:29] <Kilos> irssi is too difficult for me, i like simple
[15:30] <Kilos> do you two know each other?
[15:41] <ongolaBoy> yes ... :)
[15:41] <Kilos> cool