[00:48] <shadowh511> hi, all
[18:12] <SiDi> ping knome
[18:12] <knome> pong SiDi
[18:13] <SiDi> hello:)
[18:13] <knome> hi
[18:13] <SiDi> I wanted to know if you had any idea how to change the roundness of scrollbars in a theme. i'm currently playing with murrinaXubuntu and i cant figure out how to do
[18:13] <knome> hmm
[18:13] <knome> can't remember directly
[18:14] <knome> but i suppose it changes if you change the roundess
[18:14] <knome> i mean the whole theme roundness
[18:14] <SiDi> hm
[18:15] <SiDi> it's like the only thing that doesnt change
[18:15] <knome> haha.
[18:15] <SiDi> really looks weird with roundness 20
[18:15] <knome> the murrinaxubuntu isn't done for the new murrine engine
[18:15] <SiDi> ow
[18:16] <knome> SiDi, you should look here: https://code.launchpad.net/~murrine-themes-team/murrine-themes/common-gtkrc and change things in there
[18:16] <SiDi> well anyways i just wanted to make it greenish :)
[18:16] <knome> that's what we start to work on once we get jaunty out
[18:16] <SiDi> Okey
[18:19] <SiDi> roundness 20 : http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/715/capturenbl.png :|
[18:20] <knome> ...haha
[18:20] <knome> looks like a mac
[18:20] <SiDi> Yes :D
[19:14] <thorwil> http://abduzeedo.com/ultimate-typographic-logos-inspiration
[21:41] <knome> 'lo
[21:42] <knome> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04%20Jaunty/Release%20artwork/jaunty-release-0.9cody.png versus http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04 Jaunty/Release artwork/jaunty-release-0.5.png
[21:42] <knome> which one is better?
[21:42] <knome> (http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04%20Jaunty/Release%20artwork/jaunty-release-0.5.png for the latter link)
[21:42] <SiDi> (also say that the mouse is probably on the way out, whatever version is kept)
[21:42] <knome> ^
[21:43] <savvas> is that the actual size or?
[21:43] <SiDi> click on it :P its about 400x400
[21:43] <knome> savvas, debatable.
[21:44] <savvas> the "out on..." could use a brighter colour :)
[21:44] <savvas> sorry "out 23rd" :)
[21:44] <savvas> that whole paragraph I mean :P
[21:44] <knome> savvas, what about the layour
[21:44] <knome> *layout
[21:45] <savvas> it's wonderful, but I'm not an artist :)
[21:45] <knome> particularly how the xubuntu + jaunty text is aligned
[21:45] <knome> which one is better?
[21:45] <SiDi> savvas: we're actually having an argument (without blood though) about how the text should be aligned. so we want points of views from people here
[21:45] <savvas> I'd prefer big letters, easier for the eye to catch
[21:45] <savvas> and that's my medical opinion :)
[21:46] <SiDi> kwwii: dashua : anyone around ?
[21:46] <savvas> I love the background, is there an svg? :)
[21:46] <SiDi> It's the Xubuntu Jaunty GDM :)
[21:46] <knome> savvas, in the xubuntu-artwork source package
[21:46] <SiDi> knome has the sources
[21:47] <savvas> thank you!
[21:47] <knome> savvas, that doesn't have the sun rays, though.
[21:47] <knome> savvas, and it's a bit darker/less blue
[21:47] <savvas> waaah! :)
[21:47] <savvas> ok I'll wait for you finalize it then hehe
[21:48] <savvas> or there won't be any other changes?
[21:48]  * SiDi doesn't know
[21:48] <knome> savvas, not for the background.
[21:48] <savvas> oh oki doki
[21:48] <knome> savvas, but this version is only for our release artwork.
[21:48] <knome> savvas, the other one in the sources is the one we are shipping and we're fine with it :)
[21:49] <savvas> is lp:~xubuntu-team/xubuntu-artwork/trunk updated? :)
[21:49] <knome> savvas, yeah.
[21:49] <knome> savvas, should be.
[21:49] <knome> savvas, but not with this artwork :P
[21:49] <knome> again.. ;P
[21:50] <knome> just get the sources and look at it youself. there is many layers and the colors are relatively easy to change.
[21:50] <knome> actually not layers but elements.
[21:53] <savvas> hrm... main archive server is slowww..w.w
[21:56] <savvas> knome: and since you're using the "jaunty jackalope" without any change, I'd fill up the gap between with bigger letters :P
[21:56] <savvas> I stand for "jaunty-release-0.9cody.png" :)
[21:58] <SiDi> I find it too "fat"
[21:58] <SiDi> if you look at how the text is set on the 0.5, it's aligned in the bottom
[21:58] <savvas> then remove the text
[21:58] <SiDi> which looks much better for me :p
[21:58] <savvas> jaunty jackalope is merely a codename, that shouldn't be visible to eye of a user :)
[21:58] <SiDi> thats why its in blue and not in white ;)
[21:59] <savvas> I am about 40 cm away and I can't read it :P
[21:59] <SiDi> open it with your image viewer ^^firefox tends to resize images
[22:01] <savvas> ah.. must be the fact that firefox shows it on the upper left
[22:01] <savvas> I still vote for 0.9 :p
[22:03] <savvas> damn lags
[22:33] <BUGabundo> hi
[22:34] <BUGabundo> where I can get jaunty artwork to print and set on a stand for jaunty launch?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> hay fabsh. nice to see you here
[22:43] <knome> BUGabundo, which jaunty artwork are you talking about?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> anything we have
[22:43] <BUGabundo> banners, cd covers
[22:43] <BUGabundo> the shaband to put on a stand


[07:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:20] <doctormo> hello czajkowski, when do you fly? (do you?)
[07:32] <czajkowski> tomorrow
[07:32] <czajkowski> 6:20am
[08:02] <jussi> good morning all!
[08:03] <czajkowski> jussi: howdy
[08:03] <jussi> hiya czajkowski, excited to be leaving soon?
[08:03] <jussi> czajkowski: dont forget my tinwhistle!
[08:03] <czajkowski> tomorrow morning
[08:04] <czajkowski> 90 min flight
[08:04] <czajkowski> jussi: tin whistle is packed my dear
[08:04] <jussi> excellent :D
[08:35] <doctormo> I leave today at 7:30pm, get there for 11am
[11:13] <nigelb> I guess a lot of folks are in air or bound to airport today
[11:17] <AlanBell> tomorrow for me
[11:18] <AlanBell> but going on the train
[11:18] <nigelb> AlanBell: wow!
[11:18]  * nigelb <3 trains
[11:18] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'm so so jealous :D
[11:18] <AlanBell> going through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Tunnel
[11:19] <nigelb> brbr
[11:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: how long is the ride?
[11:25] <Pendulum> AlanBell: I'm jealous you're getting to train. I really liked the Eurostar the time I took it
[11:25] <nigelb> Pendulum: free at last huh?
[11:25] <AlanBell> nigelb: no idea, I think we have plans for a podcast recording to pass the time
[11:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: wow, rocking :)
[11:26]  * nigelb really needs to get down and renew passport
[11:26] <AlanBell> Pendulum: planes are good too
[11:27] <AlanBell> although long flights are hard work
[11:27] <nigelb> I dnno, there is something about trains that I love
[11:27] <Pendulum> they are, but given the choice I'd go with the Eurostar (admittedly I also ended up in first class on a cheap ticket because there are only 2 wheelchair spots on the train and the other was already booked)
[11:28] <AlanBell> I hope you get well looked after on the plane
[11:28] <AlanBell> who are you flying with?
[11:29] <Pendulum> Delta
[11:29] <nigelb> AlanBell: you, popey, and daviey?
[11:29] <Pendulum> which could be okay or could be horrible
[11:31] <Pendulum> mostly annoyed because I really wanted to sleep in this morning as I don't sleep on flights, and instead my body decided that this was late enough and I've not gotten loads of sleep :(
[11:31] <nigelb> what time is the flight?
[11:31] <Pendulum> 7PM tonight
[11:32] <nigelb> how much of a TZ difference do you land up in?
[11:32] <AlanBell> I think someone has broken https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Attendees
[11:32] <nigelb> its displaying okay for me so far
[11:33] <AlanBell> there is a second arrivals and departure section
[11:33] <AlanBell> with different data
[11:33] <nigelb> ouch
[11:34] <Pendulum> ugh, transatlantic flights are expected to run 90-120 minutes late today due to ash :(
[11:35] <Pendulum> and that's not "late" as in leave late, but "late" as in be that much longer
[11:35] <AlanBell> you will still be there well before me
[11:35] <nigelb> oh, slower
[11:35] <Pendulum> yes, but it means potentially 10.5 hours in flight instead of 8.5
[11:35] <Pendulum> yeah, they're having to reroute around it, I guess
[11:36] <Pendulum> and I'm always first on and last off so figure I could be on a plane for close to 12 hours
[11:36] <AlanBell> they have to divert south from the great circle route to go round it
[11:36] <nigelb> well, at least better than being grounded at least
[11:37] <Pendulum> yeah. i'm glad i was already planning on taking loads of pain medication
[11:38] <jussi> Pendulum: make sure you have your prescriptions with you
[11:38]  * nigelb was just about to say that
[11:38] <nigelb> jussi: you're flying or taking a train?
[11:38] <jussi> flying
[11:38] <jussi> tomorrow
[11:38] <Pendulum> jussi: I know. And I never remove from the prescription bottles (which also have it written on it) as well
[11:38] <jussi> ahh, yeah
[11:39] <nigelb> jussi: btw, I entered your channel out of curiousity ;) No big deal
[11:39]  * jussi almost got done for drug running with morphine...
[11:39] <Pendulum> I don't have morphine :(
[11:39] <jussi> nigelb: i was asking how you found it
[11:39] <nigelb> jussi: well, I have this script that does a whois on whoever PM's me
[11:39] <jussi> yes... but I have +i set... ?
[11:39] <nigelb> yeah, it wasn't you :p
[11:40] <czajkowski> nigelb slightly stalkerish
[11:40] <jussi> oh, mind telling me who so I can slap them into +i? :P
[11:40] <nigelb> czajkowski: it was entirely innocent.  someone told me its a nice script to have
[11:40] <jussi> mind, I can guess who...
[11:40] <Pendulum> but I know one of my meds isn't available in europe at all (and if they confiscate it, I'm screwed since we're in Belgium and not Holland since the non-synthetic version of the same chemical is cannabis ;-) )
[11:40] <nigelb> jussi: you should be able to guess whom I might PM on *that* list ;)
[11:40] <qense> Pendulum: What's the med?
[11:40] <czajkowski> nigelb ah tis
[11:41] <Pendulum> qense: marinol. it's a synthetic THC
[11:41] <nigelb> czajkowski: like some random person pm's you and you want to associate with what the heck he/she is talking about
[11:41] <qense> You could quickly jump the border and fetch some. :)
[11:41] <qense> Although there have been crack-downs on drug tourism lately, tourists cause almost all problems.
[11:41] <Pendulum> qense: I am aware that if I absolutely had to I could. Just would be a PITA.
[11:42] <qense> Pendulum: It would be odd if they'd confiscate it. Do you have papers for them?
[11:42]  * nigelb had to google for PITA
[11:42] <qense> Pita bread!
[11:42] <nigelb> jussi: sorry I stalked your channel though :/
[11:42] <czajkowski> nigelb i get a lot of random pm being freenode staffer
[11:42] <nigelb> czajkowski: yeah, I get a lot during classroom sessions or during patch day
[11:42] <Pendulum> qense: yeah. so I think I should be okay. just a little paranoid because it's the main thing I have to manage pain.
[11:42] <qense> I had to take a Schengen Declaration with me for my medication when I went to Greece (inside Schengen-area), but I was never asked to show it.
[11:43] <Pendulum> yeah, I've never actually been questioned on meds anywhere
[11:43] <czajkowski> back later
[11:43] <nigelb> Pendulum: they'll most probably not ask you
[11:43] <jussi> nigelb: no problems, not much happens there, just was curious how you came acoss it.
[11:43] <Pendulum> I just get paranoid because of how bad it would be if they did decide it wasn't acceptable
[11:43] <nigelb> jussi: hehe, btw a lot of people have the ##<nick> channel
[11:44] <jussi> yup
[11:44]  * nigelb doesn't
[11:44] <nigelb> too many channels, irssi doesn't have enough space until end of UDS
[11:45] <Pendulum> heh
[11:45] <qense> I'm already in 15 channels on Freenode and in 7 on GIMPNet and the UDS hasn't even started yet.
[11:45] <nigelb> oh grr, when I /whois my other nick, I can't see what channels its on
[11:46] <nigelb> well, at least the +i works great :D
[11:49] <nigelb> AlanBell: bah, its only 2 hours
[11:49] <Pendulum> I suspect UDS is going to be the first time I'll really ever wish I ran irssi in a screen
[11:50] <nigelb> Pendulum: you don't run it off a server?
[11:51] <Pendulum> nigelb: nope
[11:52] <nigelb> Pendulum: screen is mostly useful when its running on a server and you keep connecting to the same session
[11:52] <nigelb> when its only on your laptop, not really that useful, you can always open another terminal, not possible on a server though
[11:52] <Pendulum> I know. This is why I don't run screen
[11:53] <nigelb> Pendulum: chris offered me a user on his vps to run irssi :)
[11:54] <Pendulum> I could probably set it up on a friend's server, but I've not asked if he'd be cool with my setting it up on it, and he hasn't offered and it's too late to ask now :)
[11:55] <nigelb> Pendulum: you can ask a lot of folks around, they'd be happy to set it up for you :)
[11:57] <jussi> channels.... hrm, Im in like... errr... 70ish?
[11:58]  * nigelb bows
[11:58] <nigelb> jussi: ever used putty?
[11:58] <nigelb> (the ssh thingy)
[11:59] <jussi> oh, hang on,its more like 110...
[11:59] <jussi> nigelb: yes...
[11:59] <nigelb> jussi: can I PM, I need help with that
[11:59] <jussi> nigelb: Im quite busy at the moment, do they not have a support channel?
[12:00] <nigelb> jussi: no clue
[12:01] <jussi> /msg alis help
[12:01] <jussi> nigelb: ^^^^
[12:01] <nigelb> ok
[12:10] <nigelbabu> yaay!, it works
[12:10] <nigelbabu> I fianlly managed to ssh into my irssi session
[12:28] <AlanBell> Pendulum: you can run screen on one of my servers if you like
[13:00] <qense> Guys, you did all notice ubuntulog is now idling in this channel as well?
[13:14] <jussi> qense: i do beleive it was asked to come in.
[13:14] <qense> I did
[13:14] <qense> With Jono's approval, of course.
[13:15] <jussi> qense: ok, please make sure the channel topic gets updated if you do that in any other channels. we have a legal oblgation to notify people on join that they are being logged.
[13:15] <qense> jussi: I didn't know that, thank you for doing it.
[13:15] <qense> I hope the people idling yesterday won't sue.
[13:16] <jussi> and let me know if you see any cahnnels that are logged without an appropriate topic or entry message
[13:16] <jussi> qense: :D
[13:16] <qense> jussi: Will do, thank you for pointing me at it!
[14:11] <qense> Dammit! More airspace troubles because of ash.
[14:11] <qense> But the pictures at Iceland! They look so awesome.
[14:12] <qense> I mean, look at this: <http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1377447.ece/Vliegverkeer_ondervindt_weer_hinder_van_aswolk>
[14:12] <qense> Amsterdam Airport said that travellers to North-America and South-Europe should expect delays and even cancellations.
[14:16] <qense> (_maybe_ even cancellations)
[14:17] <Pendulum> yeah, i'm getting nervous
[14:17] <JanC> looking at cloud maps it looks like Amsterdam, Brussels & London airports are safe for now, I'm not so sure about Paris (but I'm not a meteorologist ;) )
[14:17] <Pendulum> I can't decide whether I wish my flight was earlier or later
[14:19] <JanC> clouds are blowing NE to SW over Belgium currently, while blowing the other way over Spain & (part of) France
[14:20] <JanC> and currently airports are closing in teh north of Portugal & Spain and south of France...
[14:21] <qense> yes
[14:23] <Pendulum> nigelbabu: ^^ do you want to say what you just told me?
[14:23] <nigelbabu> well, someone had their chicago -> brussels flight cancelled
[14:24]  * nigelbabu goes to hunt for scroll back in -devel
[14:24] <qense> The ash came back just a bit too early.
[14:24] <qense> I'm happy I'm going by train and I've already got my ticket; no ash troubles for me.
[14:24] <Pendulum> I wish it would hold until Monday
[14:25] <Pendulum> I don't really care if I get stuck *in* Brussels
[14:25] <nigelbabu> scott ritchie i suppose (YoKoZar)
[14:25] <JanC> qense: unless it's a steam train  ;)
[14:26] <qense> JanC: It is the NS after all, who knows. ;)
[14:26] <Pendulum> oh dear, if your'e right, then that's a whole bunch of people
[14:27] <Pendulum> (I count 12 people on that flight according to the wiki)
[14:27] <nigelbabu> Pendulum: he rescheudled to paris and then train to brussels ;)
[14:27] <qense> aw
[14:27] <nigelbabu> ouch, 12 people
[14:27] <Pendulum> hopefully the rest can, too. I know at least one is probably at the airport already for flight to Chicago
[14:28] <JanC> nigelbabu: there are no assh problems in Brussels for the moment, but maybe his plane got stuck in Spain or Portugal or such...
[14:28] <nigelbabu> JanC: dunno, I just heard in -devel when trying to catch who pinged me
[14:29] <JanC> nigelbabu: I know, read what he told
[14:29] <nigelbabu> JanC: so, all those people will be affected right?
[14:29] <Pendulum> huh, according to the website for the airline, the flight is still happening
[14:29] <JanC> I guess the airline companies will try to reschedule them somehow
[14:30] <Pendulum> oh, wait, I take that back
[14:30] <Pendulum> it's cancelled
[14:30] <JanC> Pendulum: any reason given?
[14:30] <Pendulum> nope
[14:30] <Pendulum> just says cancelled
[14:30] <Pendulum> and it's not until this afternoon
Microsoft offered them some money?</paranoid-mode>
[14:31] <Pendulum> (like the flight wasn't even supposed to depart Chicago for another 7 hours)
[14:31] <nigelbabu> JanC: lol
[14:32] <JanC> Pendulum: sounds like thay know their plane is stuck somewhere and won't be in Chicago in time for the flight
[14:32] <Pendulum> that's what I'm hoping
[14:32] <Pendulum> frustrating that this is a saturday so probably can't reach travel agent :-/
[14:32] <JanC> Pendulum: let's hope your plane doesn't get stuck  ☺
[14:32] <qense> As long as the air space stays clear for tomorrow.
[14:33] <JanC> I expect no problems for Brussels airspace
[14:33] <nigelbabu> akgraner is supposed to be on that flight, I hope she knows :/
[14:33] <JanC> based on the direction of the wind
[14:40] <Pendulum> okay, just talked to my airline and they currently don't have any plans
[14:40] <Pendulum> (to cancel)
[14:40] <Pendulum> sadly final decision will be after I'll need to have headed to the airport, but we'll see
[14:41] <qense> Someone just twittered he left Salt Lake City Airport.
[14:41] <JanC> heh, Paul Sladen is coming by bike + ferry boat?  ☺
[14:41] <nigelbabu> JanC: yeah, rocking itenary
[14:42] <nigelbabu> JanC: nick barcet is better
[14:42] <nigelbabu> entirely on bike :)
[14:42] <JanC> nigelbabu: taht's somewhat impossible from the UK  ;)
[14:43] <JanC> unless you rent a "water bike" to cross the channel :P
[14:43] <nigelbabu> JanC: or send it via train?
[14:43] <JanC> well, then it's not "entirely by bike"
[14:44] <nigelbabu> hehe :)
[14:44] <JanC> and biking through the Channel Tunnel is not allowed  ;)
[14:45] <nigelbabu> haha
[14:45] <nigelbabu> unless you happen to bribe emergency personnel on both eds
[14:45] <Pendulum> I wish I had an earlier flight so that I didn't have all this wait time now!
[14:45] <Pendulum> I think I'm seriously going to go to the airport waaaay early just so I'm not in my flat
[14:46] <nigelbabu> Pendulum: :)
[14:47] <qense> JanC: Were you planning on attending or not? I keep forgetting. If so, by car or by train?
[14:48] <JanC> qense: I'll be there on mon-tue-wed & fri
[14:48] <qense> You can probably sleep at home. :)
[14:48] <qense> Handy
[14:49] <nigelbabu> lucky
[14:49] <nigelbabu> I wish it were in asia for once
[14:49] <JanC> and by car, but I sleep at my uncle & aunt's place on mon-tue & tue-wed
[14:49] <qense> nigelbabu: In your house!
[14:50] <nigelbabu> qense: haha
[14:50] <JanC> qense: it's a bit too far to sleep at home, especially as the first 3 days are workdays in .be & the traffic around Brussels is killing then  ☺
[14:50] <qense> How much rooms do you have?
[14:50] <nigelbabu> well at least it will be extremely touristy
[14:50] <qense> JanC: Belgiums isn't Luxembourg.
[14:51] <JanC> ?
[14:51] <qense> It's larger
[14:51] <qense> :)
[14:51] <JanC> right, but the main issue is the traffic around Brussels during peak hours
[14:51] <qense> Who doesn't hate rush hour.
[14:52] <cjohnston> o/
[14:52] <JanC> it might take 2h to travel 50km or so, in case of bad luck  ;)
[14:52] <qense> cjohnston! You're still here!
[14:52] <cjohnston> where else would i be
[14:52] <qense> Half the people are flying already.
[14:53] <qense> (Or stuck at the airport )
[14:53] <JanC> people who are used to going to work in brussels told me I should drive to Brussels before 6am   :-/
[14:53] <qense> omg
[14:54] <cjohnston> i dont leave till tomorrow
[14:54] <cjohnston> have a wedding im in tonight
[14:55] <qense> JanC: You can merge the LP account 'janc-lugwv' into your own, did you know that?
[14:55] <JanC> qense: huh?
[14:55] <qense> I was looking for you on Launchpad and saw there were two Jan Claeyses
[14:55] <qense> One as janc-lugwv
[14:55] <qense> was
[14:56] <JanC> I don't even know where that one comes from...
[14:56] <qense> JanC: https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+requestmerge
[14:56] <qense> JanC: translation import, according to LP
[14:56] <JanC> ow, that's possible, maybe
[14:56] <JanC> for some translations I made *ages* ago
[14:57] <JanC> and not in Ubuntu
[14:57] <qense> claim the karma!
[14:57] <nigelbabu> upstream perhaps
[14:57] <JanC> probably my libgtkspell translation
[15:00] <JanC> ugh, and I don't own that mail address anymore
[15:10] <qense> aw
[17:08] <akgraner> hi all
[17:08] <akgraner> Can get to Chicago o'hara  - but on standby for flight tomorrow
[17:09] <nigelbabu> akgraner: good to know
[17:09] <nigelbabu> we heard your flight got cancelled
[17:09] <akgraner> found about an hour ago - flight to London, Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels - closed  - UbuAsh
[17:10] <nigelbabu> ugh!
[17:10] <maco> so basically only the europeans who go by train are making it
[17:10] <maco> oh, and sladen
[17:10] <maco> who i believe is going by ferry
[17:10] <maco> (just because he likes to travel in as convoluted ways as possible)
[17:10] <nigelbabu> dont tell me're all gling to remotely attend frm airports
[17:10] <akgraner> the one today did  - but was able to get last seat standby for a flight out tomorrow from 0'hara providing ash clears
[17:11] <Pendulum> Delta seems to still be running flights
[17:11] <nigelbabu> maco: and the indians :D
[17:11] <bencrisford_> maco: ferries are the best :D
[17:11]  * bencrisford_ dont like flying
[17:11] <Pendulum> (at least from NYC as I'm not cancelled yet)
[17:11] <nigelbabu> vish is going to make it :)
[17:11] <maco> bencrisford_: sladen lives on a boat, so if it involves using somethng less-common than a plane or train, he's probably going for it
[17:12] <nigelbabu> maco: lives on a boat! whoa!
[17:12] <maco> like..i dont know... ferry to one place, bicycle a few towns over on his brompton... then grab an eagle's talons and fly the rest of the way?
[17:12] <nigelbabu> hahaha
[17:12] <bencrisford_> haha
[17:12] <nigelbabu> eagle's talon lol
[17:12] <bencrisford_> ferries aren't that odd, I have got a ferry to france more times than I can recall
[17:12] <bencrisford_> even to spain once
[17:13] <bencrisford_> :)
[17:13] <akgraner> Pendulum, I talked to the airline was told Delta cancelled theirs as well
[17:13] <akgraner> I'm at Charlotte now
[17:13] <maco> i took one from palermo to napoli once. wow that was just /weird/  --- first class = a room full of recliners that dont really recline very far so sleeping is tough and theres no leg room
[17:13] <maco> 2nd class has actual rooms O_o ???
[17:13] <akgraner> might want to actually call them
[17:14] <Pendulum> akgraner: yeah, I think I will. I wonder if it's because it's from NYC and not Chicago?
[17:14] <nigelbabu> italy?
[17:14] <akgraner> Pendulum, American tried to get me on another airline
[17:14] <maco> nigelbabu: yes
[17:14] <nigelbabu> maco: wow
[17:14] <akgraner> are you flying direct?
[17:14] <Pendulum> yeah
[17:14] <nigelbabu> maco: are you sure you didn't confuse 1st and 2nd class :D
[17:14] <maco> also, i didnt think. i only took one book with me, and it was half-read when i left. so by the time we reached italy ... or um actually i think before the plane left the US... i finished
[17:14] <maco> nigelbabu: yes
[17:15] <bencrisford_> :P
[17:15] <maco> (normally i just buy more books while i'm travelling. going to a country where i dont know the language, that doesnt work so great)
[17:15] <nigelbabu> maco: ick, train sounds much better
[17:15] <bencrisford_> whoa, i'd forgotten how slow usb 1.0 was
[17:16] <Pendulum> akgraner: my flight is still okay
[17:16] <akgraner> Pendulum, sweet!
[17:17] <Pendulum> I wonder if flights from NYC use a more southernly route anyway or something
[17:17] <Pendulum> so it might be easier to reroute than things from chicago
[17:18] <akgraner> Pendulum, they tried to route us through JFK today but we were told those flights were cancelled as well :-(
[17:18] <akgraner> I hope you are able to get out
[17:19] <Pendulum> huh, I did just talk to Delta who said they were fine (although overbooked)
[17:19] <JanC> heh, Brussels airport is still open with almost no cancelled flights according to latest news?
[17:20] <Pendulum> also my flight doesn't come from Europe, so dunno if that makes a difference
[17:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:20] <akgraner> czajkowski, hey
[17:20] <JanC> they said there were some cancelled flights in Charleroi (aka Brussels South Airport)
[17:20] <akgraner> are you going to make it in?
[17:21] <nigelbabu> czajkowski: already in brussels?
[17:21] <akgraner> JanC,  yeah we were told Brussels was closed for today
[17:21] <Pendulum> akgraner: the airport is definitely still open
[17:21] <Pendulum> (in Brussels)
[17:21] <JanC> akgraner: Brussels airport is definitely *not* closed
[17:22] <JanC> unless that happened during the last minutes somehow  ☺
[17:22] <akgraner> Pendulum, they were telling us for arriving flights after 5pm today
[17:22] <akgraner> so not sure what info all these crazy airlines are getting
[17:22] <akgraner> looks like all information would be the same -  but.. :-(
[17:23] <czajkowski> ireland flights are closed to spain and canaries
[17:23] <czajkowski> so far I've been told to go to the airport
[17:23] <czajkowski> but this *may* change
[17:23] <Pendulum> yeah, I'm still getting told to go to the airport
[17:23] <Pendulum> akgraner: so where are you?
[17:23] <akgraner> Pendulum, Charlotte getting ready to head to 0'hara
[17:23] <Pendulum> ah
[17:24] <Pendulum> from what I've been reading it doesn't even make sense that Belgium would be considering closing airspace :-/
[17:24] <akgraner> in Chicago - then I'm booked on a flight tomorrow arrive Mon morning to Brussels
[17:24] <akgraner> idk - that's just what the airline told me I arrived today
[17:25] <Pendulum> it's also possible that no one really knows what's going on so they're saying what they think is going on rather than what they know for sure ;-)
[17:25] <akgraner> *nods*
[17:25] <czajkowski> Pendulum: the cloud is over 1000KM long and is spreading
[17:26] <czajkowski> so it's depending on the flight path and winds is the issue
[17:26] <maco> akgraner: its after 5pm there...
[17:26] <akgraner> maco flight leaving US after 5pm
[17:26] <czajkowski> aye it's 5:26 here
[17:26] <czajkowski> and they're an hr ahead
[17:27] <Pendulum> huh, my flight is at 7:05 tonight
[17:27] <JanC> 08:00  	Chicago O'Hare
[17:27] <JanC> American Airlines 	 AA088
[17:27] <JanC> 	Scheduled 08:00
[17:28] <JanC> so apparently the airlines didn't officially cancel that flight yet at the arriving airport?
[17:28] <maco> akgraner: oh
[17:29] <JanC> czajkowski: meaning planes have to take a northern route over iceland instead of a more southern route?
[17:29] <czajkowski> http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1273316351.png
[17:30] <akgraner> JanC, it's cancelled :-)
[17:31] <JanC> akgraner: it was supposed to be cancelled hours ago, so I wonder why they didn't inform the airport authorities in Brussels then...
[17:31] <akgraner> JanC they cancelled it at 7:30am
[17:34] <Pendulum> they need to bring back ocean liners
[17:34] <nigelbabu> hahahah
[17:35] <jussi> lol
[17:35] <czajkowski> jussi: where you now?
[17:35] <jussi> czajkowski: helsinki
[17:35] <jussi> I leave tomorrow
[17:35] <czajkowski> jussi: flight ok?
[17:36] <jussi> czajkowski: haent looked..
[17:36] <jussi> I scared..
[17:37] <nigelbabu> jussi: do you have a train option?
[17:37] <nigelbabu> Just in Case  (tm)
[17:37] <jussi> nigelbabu: not really
[17:37] <jussi> ferry + train.
[17:38] <jussi> similar to those in ireland.
[17:38] <JanC> Pendulum: if you have 3-4 weeks the time, yes  ;)
[17:38] <nigelbabu> jussi: well, much better than nothing
[17:39] <Pendulum> JanC: apparently it only takes 5 days for the Queen Mary 2
[17:39] <Pendulum> hmm... eurocontrol's twitter says Brussels airport will be open tomorrow morning
[17:40] <JanC> it's open all the time
[17:40] <JanC> the problem seems to be how to fly around the ash clouds  ;)
[17:40] <Pendulum> well, specifically, that it will be open at least for flights out
[17:40] <czajkowski> it is brussels international or the other one ?
[17:41] <czajkowski> and wtf is gwibber broken
[17:41] <akgraner> czajkowski, not having troubles with it here
[17:42] <czajkowski> only on this lucid machine
[17:42] <czajkowski> it wont shagging launch
[17:42] <JanC> I think only RyanAir and such fly on Charleroi
[17:42] <czajkowski> and when it eventualy does it's all greyed out
[17:42] <czajkowski> grrrr
[17:42] <czajkowski> JanC: ah ok
[17:43] <JanC> and some other cheap companies & charter flights arrive in Bierset (Liège), Ostend or Antwerp
[17:44] <czajkowski> sitting in the back garden in the sun, heavenly
[17:44] <JanC> heh
[17:44] <JanC> czajkowski: expect 10 °C here  :P
[17:44] <czajkowski> mutters
[17:44] <JanC> and rain almost all week
[17:45] <JanC> I guess that comes with the "no ash clouds here"
[17:45] <Pendulum> heh
[17:45] <czajkowski> ok plan B) relocate UDS to Ireland and flights can get here and there is no rain
[17:45] <Pendulum> czajkowski: transatlantic flights can't
[17:45] <czajkowski> Pendulum: :(
[17:45] <Pendulum> would be worse than Brussels for those of us coming from the US, in fact
[17:45] <Pendulum> Greece, maybe
[17:46] <czajkowski> nah too many riots there
[17:46] <Pendulum> true
[17:46] <Pendulum> was just thinking locations with less ash issues
[17:47] <jussi> Australia!
[17:47] <jussi> *G*
[17:47] <Pendulum> :)
[17:48] <JanC> well, Finland would be fine too  ;)
[17:49] <JanC> http://www.brusselsairport.be/en/flightinfo/arrivals/ for those who want to monitor arrivals
[17:50] <bencrisford_> I don't get why all you US peeps are getting so worked up :P, just swim :)
[17:53] <bencrisford_> I'm gonna go eat something, hope you get all your travel problems sorted :)
[17:57] <Pendulum> thanks
[18:00] <doctormo> Everyone excited
[18:02] <czajkowski> ok pleia2 just tweeted she's boarding
[18:02] <czajkowski> itnet7 is on im and has been told his flight is off till MONDAY
[18:02] <doctormo> you mean dented ;-)
[18:03] <czajkowski> doctormo: no I mean what I said. she tweeted.
[18:03] <doctormo> grumpy pants
[18:03] <czajkowski> doctormo: no, just don't correct me when you'r the one who is wrong :)
[18:04] <Pendulum> czajkowski: he was originally on the same flight as Amber, it looks like. So I wonder if that's when they were first able to book him in next
[18:04] <doctormo> I was wrong
[18:04] <Pendulum> doctormo: we're all worried about not actually making it... it dampens the excitement
[18:04] <pleia2> yeah hopefully i wont get stuck in chicago :)
[18:04] <czajkowski> pleia2: *hugs*
[18:04] <Pendulum> pleia2: did you call to check?
[18:04] <czajkowski> doctormo: that didn't kill you now did it :)
[18:04] <pleia2> hugs :)
[18:05] <doctormo> I'm going to Gwibber my hug, hang on
[18:05] <doctormo> there we go
[18:05] <pleia2> Pen: this is a chicago/brussels flight, wont know unti
[18:05] <pleia2> l chcago :/
[18:05] <Pendulum> pleia2: you couldn't call the airline and ask?
[18:06] <doctormo> Funny I asked specifically for a flight through Heathrow instead of New York
[18:06] <pleia2> its still on as of now
[18:06] <czajkowski> anyone heard from cjohnston
[18:06] <Pendulum> czajkowski: he's at a wedding today
[18:07] <Pendulum> pleia2: okay, so I'm not the only one still getting told their flight is on!
[18:07] <czajkowski> hows his flight looking?
[18:07] <Pendulum> he doesn't fly out until tomorrow
[18:07] <Pendulum> so probably okay for now
[18:13] <JanC> czajkowski: heh, isn't pleia2 flying over Chicago too?
[18:13] <Pendulum> JanC: she's got a connection there
[18:14] <Pendulum> apparently it's that they're greatly limiting flights because of the rerouting that needs to happen
[18:14] <JanC> yeah, I know see her flight number is listed twice in the arrivals
[18:14] <JanC> I now *
[18:15] <jussi> my flight appeas to be ok
[18:15] <JanC> Pendulum: right, so there are traffic jams on the northern fly-route?  ;)
[18:15] <jussi> I just checked in
[18:15] <Pendulum> JanC: southern
[18:15] <Pendulum> they can't fly up because the ash is too dense
[18:15] <Pendulum> err.. fly north
[18:15] <JanC> heh, north of Iceland there is no ash
[18:16] <Pendulum> true
[18:16] <JanC> maybe they can fly on some heights in the southern routes too
[18:17] <czajkowski> DR. WHO!!!
[18:17] <JanC> anyway, traffic jams in the air sounds funny  ☺
[18:17] <Pendulum> one of those times when it's good we don't have our flying cars or jetpacks?
[18:18] <JanC> Pendulum: I doubt those would have any issue, ULM planes and the like never stopped flying either
[18:18] <doctormo> czajkowski: Aye, getting now.
[18:18] <Pendulum> doctormo: so where are you now?
[18:18] <doctormo> Pendulum: Er, Boston.
[18:19] <pleia2> boarding, wish me luck :)
[18:19] <Pendulum> pleia2: will keep fingers and such crossed for you!
[18:19] <doctormo> pleia2: *hug* have a good trip
[18:19] <Pendulum> doctormo: ah. you were talking as if you'd flown and I was getting confused :)
[18:23] <doctormo> Pendulum: No, just checked, looks like my flight is canceled
[18:24] <doctormo> Of course no information from anyone.
[18:24] <Pendulum> doctormo: :(
[18:24] <czajkowski> doctormo: feck
[18:24] <czajkowski> doctormo: when were you due to fly?
[18:25] <doctormo> 7:15pm
[18:26] <Pendulum> doctormo: what airline?
[18:26] <doctormo> AA
[18:26] <doctormo> (this is why I always fly Virgin)
[18:27] <doctormo> flight 108
[18:27] <Pendulum> anyone else notice that so far the flights we know are canceled are AA?
[18:27] <czajkowski> doctormo: I don;t think airlines matter in this case
[18:28] <doctormo> czajkowski: This is my first attempt at flying with AA, they're not impressing me.
[18:28] <Pendulum> either the rest of us are about to get massively screwed over, or AA is getting bumped way down the priority list when it comes to what's being allowed to fly
[18:28] <czajkowski> I don't think it's airline related it's the same flight plan
[18:28] <doctormo> I actually have no idea what I'm supposed to do.
[18:28] <czajkowski> can ye mail your travel agents?
[18:29] <Pendulum> doctormo: call the airline
[18:29] <czajkowski> the advice over here is call your airline
[18:29] <czajkowski> as that's who's dealing with it
[18:36] <JanC> czajkowski: can't you do some celtic rain dance so that the ash gets rained down into the ocean?  ;-)
[18:37] <czajkowski> eh we have sunshine here, it's an odd one .
[18:37] <czajkowski> when we had the rain all our airports were closed.
[18:37] <JanC> czajkowski: if it would rain in Ireland and/or Iceland, that would help to literally "clear the air"
[18:38] <JanC> well supposed the ash clouds are below the rain clouds of course  ☺
[18:49] <doctormo> Airline can't get me on a flight until Monday evening
[18:49] <doctormo> To get into Brusseles tuesday. Bleh, horrid
[18:50] <jussi> doctormo: aww, that sucks!
[18:50] <doctormo> jussi: Sucks is a very light word for what it is
[18:51] <jussi> doctormo: :/
[18:55] <Pendulum> my flight is still supposed to be on
[18:55] <Pendulum> i'm leaving in the next 30 minutes
[18:56] <Pendulum> (for the airport)
[18:57] <Pendulum> (also nice man at Delta is looking up for me info on what Delta is/isn't cancelling)
[18:58] <czajkowski> Pendulum: fingers crossed
[18:58] <czajkowski> Pendulum: you have my mobile number?
[18:58] <Pendulum> okay, Delta just pretty much said that if it isn't going into Glasgow, Shannon, Lisbon, or Madrid, their flights are pretty much happening, if delayed due to rerouting
[18:58] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yes. do you have mind?
[18:58] <Pendulum> *mine
[18:59] <czajkowski> hmm
[18:59] <czajkowski> I know I did
[18:59] <czajkowski> but cannot find it in new phone
[19:03] <doctormo> Just booked a flight for 6pm on BA, $1.6k cost :-(
[19:03] <jussi> doctormo: cripes!
[19:03] <JanC> pff, can't sabdfl fly to the US himself to pick you all up?  ;)
[19:04] <jussi> doctormo: I hope you areflying business...
[19:05] <jussi> JanC: lol, that would e cool
[19:05] <doctormo> premium economy
[19:06] <JanC> "premium economy" sounds like "leg space is 5cm less than I need but I get a 15cl bottle of champagne"
[19:09] <czajkowski> doctormo: lordie that;'s some crazy price
[19:12] <czajkowski> doctormo: is that the airline rebooking or a cost to you/canonical?
[19:16] <doctormo> czajkowski: That's cost to me as far as I know
[19:16] <doctormo> czajkowski: AA were terrible at trying to rebook onto BA
[19:16] <czajkowski> doctormo: ugh,
[19:17] <czajkowski> over here theyre saying if you cancle your flight you can't claim any cash back at all on it
[19:17] <doctormo> Right, AA said they'd refund if I canceled, but I need the Belgium leg of the trip
[19:17] <doctormo> So it looks like I'll eat the cost
[19:18] <cjohnston> czajkowski: yes?
[19:18] <czajkowski> can you not just wait for AA or your travel agent to sort it out
[19:18] <czajkowski> cjohnston: any word on your flight?
[19:18] <cjohnston> ummm... what about it
[19:19] <doctormo> czajkowski: They're idea of sorting it out was to get me there by Wednesday
[19:20] <czajkowski> cjohnston: most USA flights are not taking off
[19:20] <doctormo> their*
[19:20] <Pendulum> czajkowski: it's not most
[19:20] <czajkowski> doctormo: lotta expense tbh.
[19:20] <cjohnston> why
[19:20] <czajkowski> cjohnston: the ash!
[19:20] <Pendulum> cjohnston: there's more ash issues
[19:20] <cjohnston> uggh
[19:20] <doctormo> Damn pokemon!
[19:20] <czajkowski> Pendulum:  a lot...
[19:21] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I've only actually heard of 2 separate flights cancelled
[19:21] <czajkowski> Pendulum: akgraner doctormo itnet7 kev and 2 others
[19:21] <czajkowski> Pendulum: how you getting ti airport?
[19:21] <Pendulum> akgraner and itnet7 were supposed to be on the same flight (I dunno about kev)
[19:21] <Pendulum> czajkowski: taxi
[19:22] <czajkowski> cool
[19:22] <czajkowski> will he come and get your bags?
[19:22] <Pendulum> nope. gotta go flag taxi on the street. can't call and book one in NYC
[19:22] <doctormo> Same in Boston Pendulum
[19:23] <Pendulum> anyway, I'm going to go. see some of you soon, I hope! catch the rest of you online later or tomorrow!
[19:23] <czajkowski> Pendulum: okie dokei
[19:24] <cjohnston> czajkowski: Pendulum mine is still showing on time
[19:26] <doctormo> OK time to go to the airport, suspend and battery don't work so I'll likely be offline until I get there.
[19:26] <cjohnston> bye doctormo
[19:47] <czajkowski> 1. Please contact your airline to check the date and time for your trip
[19:47] <czajkowski> and any connections to see if any of your flight are affected.
[19:47] <czajkowski> 2. If your flight is delayed, you may need to be re-book it - you
[19:47] <czajkowski> should coordinate this with your airline. IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are
[19:47] <czajkowski> unable to arrive at the UDS venue (La Hulpe, Belgium) on or before the
[19:47] <czajkowski> evening of Tue 11th May 2010, do not fly, and instead contact the travel
[19:47] <czajkowski> agent you used to book the ticket with and coordinate a refund.
[19:47] <czajkowski> 3. IMPORTANT: If you are unable to attend UDS, please let me know so we can inform the hotel know to release your room. If you make your flight eventually and your arrival date has changed, please let me know your new date asap.
[19:47] <czajkowski> mail just in folks
[20:15] <qense> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8625813.stm doesn't look promising :(
[20:15] <qense> wait
[20:15] <qense> that's the old map
[20:18] <qense> This is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8669610.stm
[20:24] <JanC> czajkowski: who's supposed to have got that mail? (maybe i didn't get it because I don't travel by plane?)
[20:25] <JanC> hm, AA088 is still scheduled to arrive at Brussels Airport  :P
[20:27] <JanC> some other flights from the US are marked as delayed (which is better I guess, at least the airlines forwarded info about those...)
[20:28] <qense>  JanC: All sponsored people got the mail.
[20:29] <qense> I know from Twitter that at least Ken van Dine's flight was cancelled.
[20:29] <JanC> ah, might have been more useful to send to people actually taking a plane I suppose...  ;)
[20:29] <qense> or VanDine, I've got no idea how the Americans abuse surnames.
[20:29] <JanC> qense: if he was on AA088, there were 12 peopel on that flight  :-(
[20:30] <qense> JanC: Good news that that flight did fly!
[20:30] <JanC> well, it didn't ;)
[20:30] <JanC> except, Brussels Airport is still expecting it to arrive  ;)
[20:30] <qense> argh
[20:30] <qense> Poor Brussels Airport.
[20:31] <JanC> it's bad management from AA
[21:20] <doctormo> OK at airport, got in to flight on BA and I will get to brussels for tomorrow morning :-)
[21:21] <doctormo> At cost and American were completly useless, I will be sure to avoid them in future.
[21:21] <doctormo> But BA were great, they got me on that final leg from Heathrow.
[21:21] <czajkowski> doctormo: mail was sent from marianna to all UDS attendees
[21:22] <czajkowski> doctormo:
[21:22] <czajkowski>  2. If your flight is delayed, you may need to be re-book it - you
[21:22] <czajkowski> should coordinate this with your airline. IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are
[21:22] <czajkowski> unable to arrive at the UDS venue (La Hulpe, Belgium) on or before the
[21:22] <czajkowski> evening of Tue 11th May 2010, do not fly, and instead contact the travel
[21:22] <czajkowski> agent you used to book the ticket with and coordinate a refund
[22:01] <JanC> sounds like ash cloud issues are getting better
[22:01] <czajkowski> our airports shut tomorrow from 2 in some places and 4 in others
[22:02] <czajkowski> pm
[22:08] <cjohnston> JanC: they are?
[22:08] <cjohnston> someone keep me up to date.. heh
[22:09] <JanC> cjohnston: they said they expect less problems tomorrow
[22:09] <cjohnston> I hope so
[22:10] <cjohnston> ill be upset if i make it to the layover and then stuck
[22:12] <czajkowski> cjohnston: you got the mail from marianna so you know what to do if there is any issues
[22:13] <cjohnston> ya
[22:21] <czajkowski> JanC: is there a Swedish Ubuntu community ?
[22:25] <AlanBell> !se
[22:25] <czajkowski> AlanBell: cheers
[22:27] <qense> afaik there are now cancellations for Amsterdam atm
[22:28] <qense> anyway, I'm off to bed, see you all tomorrow!
[22:28] <czajkowski> nn
[22:39] <czajkowski> yay pleia2 has made it t Chicago
[22:43] <akgraner> I'm in Chicago too
[22:44] <akgraner> czajkowski, is pleia2 still a go for her flight tonight?
[22:44] <cjohnston> im in st pete.. im going backwards!
[22:45] <czajkowski> akgraner: her tweet says she's landed there
[22:45] <akgraner> ahh not checking all that
[22:45] <jussi> cjohnston: where?
[22:45] <cjohnston> st petersberg
[22:45] <cjohnston> florida
[22:45] <akgraner> I forgot to turn my phone off on the plane :-(  gotta charge it
[22:45] <cjohnston> which is west of where i live
[22:45] <jussi> oh lol
[22:46] <cjohnston> bad akgraner !
[22:46] <jussi> I was thinking russia...
[22:46] <akgraner> well it happens
[22:46] <cjohnston> off to go see if i can find a printer
[22:46] <cjohnston> yup
[23:01]  * pleia2 lurks in chicago
[23:01] <pleia2> akgraner: oh, are you at the airport?
[23:01] <akgraner> pleia2, nope :-(
[23:01] <pleia2> aww
[23:01] <akgraner> is your flight still a go?
[23:01] <pleia2> canceled flight?
[23:01] <pleia2> yep, delayed 2 hours though
[23:01] <akgraner> yep
[23:02] <pleia2> was supposed to leave at 6, scheduled to go out at 8
[23:02] <pleia2> so I get to hang out here for 3 hours or so


[15:21] <5EXABHXT1> hallo, can anyone point me to the direction what happens when the x11-session is locked (password secured)? What disables running sound output? What disables video-recording? And last, are user-restrictions what group a user is in, are only active after logout and new login?


[08:27] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: On FFADO Studio Controls claims it's creating the pulse bridges but actually doesn't. :(
[08:28] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, Pulse may need a kick in the butt: `AutoJack - DEBUG - Pulseaudio: Connection failure: Connection refused`
[08:49] <BrianHechinger[m> OvenWerk1: Ok, here's the status. 64/2 start and runs fine. Well, it failed once, had to switch back to 128 then back to 64 but it did eventually start up and work as expected. 32/2, however, is weird. It tries to start but can't connect to Pulse. After this start attempt studio-controls is hung and I need to `kill -9` it. Pulse is also left is a funky state and I need to restart it as well.
[08:49] <BrianHechinger[m> https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/8f4b5b2a4a0fc91b6ca17c47844310e5
[08:49] <BrianHechinger[m> at that point everything is hung
[08:51] <BrianHechinger[m> I can't `pulseaudio -k`. I need to `kill -9` both studio-controls and pulseaudio.
[09:00] <BrianHechinger[m> Ok, 64/2 works and is stable so that'll be fine. :-D
[10:07] <neff> Hello guys!I have a lame question,but...i can't upgrade my 21.10 to 22.04. Any help?
[10:08] <twbuncho[m]1> That's what I get,So I use iso clean install method
[10:09] <neff> No way man.This system a 8 years old(upgraded many times).So clean install it's not a way.
[10:10] <twbuncho[m]1> are you using sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:10] <neff> Tried it
[10:11] <neff> Say no new distro found or something like this
[10:11] <neff> do-release-upgrade -m desktop
[10:11] <twbuncho[m]1> no new release found
[10:11] <neff> not work
[10:11] <neff> Yes
[10:12] <neff> I can upgrade to dev version...but i want real LTS :D
[10:12] <twbuncho[m]1> I did not type -m deskto[
[10:12] <neff> did it
[10:14] <neff> not work
[10:16] <twbuncho[m]1> s/deskto[/desktop/
[10:16] <neff> ???
[10:53] <neff> Any advice guys?Somebody?
[10:54] <twbuncho[m]1> Normally, Short Term release version will not have new version upgrade delay
[11:04] <neff> sad
[12:08] <BrianHechinger[m> I'm so glad I started making my desktop easier to rebuild. I just did a fresh install of 22.04 (which has the benefit of not dragging all my filth with it)
[12:10] <tomreyn> neff: https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-22-04-lts-release-notes/ has notes on upgrading
 It's cool,but it's not work
[13:04] <neff> I follow every step from their instructions and it's keep saing no new version found
 "I follow every step from their..." <- Use USB Media Clean Install
 man it's not an option.I need upgrade.
[13:29] <neff> I don't wanna spend hours to configure everything from zero
[13:32] <BrianHechinger[m> Bah, still getting the firewire crash with FFADO. :(
[15:05] <OvenWerk1> neff, I think the upgrade may not work untill 22.04.1
[15:24] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: ^^^ would that be true? is there a way to bypass that?
[15:25] <OvenWerk1> neff: you will get the dev version 22.04.0 untill 22.04.1 releases if I understand right
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> LTS -> LTS is delayed until after the release of 22.04.1, and upgrading *at all* is delayed due to a few showstopper bugs in the upgrade mechanism.
[15:27] <Eickmeyer> Also, we don't support LTS -> LTS upgrades due to the DE change.
[15:28] <OvenWerk1> Eickmeyer: in this case 21.10 to 22.04
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerk1: Yeah, there's still some upgrade items that need to be worked out yet, that's in the Ubuntu release notes. This is why ALL release notes need to be read.
[15:29] <OvenWerk1> neff: so the real answer is upgrade is not working yet
[21:08] <jazzslag> hi, how do I restart Ubuntu Studio Controls from the command line?
[21:09] <jazzslag> I've used the autojack command but I'm wondering if there might be another
[21:25] <OvenWerk1> jazzslag: studio-controls for any recent version will start the gui.
[21:26] <OvenWerk1> studio-controls will start autojack if it is not already running
[21:26] <OvenWerk1> if you actually have ubuntu-studio-controls... you should probably upgade. That is a number of years old by now
[21:43] <jazzslag> thanks but I meant restarting jack while it is already running
[21:46]  * twbuncho[m]1 uploaded an image: (382KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hBJLYOQMQtEvngQAgXtiWECB/image.png >
[21:47] <twbuncho[m]1> Start or Restart JACK,no need command
[21:48] <jazzslag> I know but I want an automated solution - I'm trying to do it via a Python script as part of a larger system
[22:11]  * twbuncho[m]1 uploaded an image: (729KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xBqkwAXQpvIijOyCZdmBRqDR/image.png >
[22:12] <twbuncho[m]1> Small bug of Light/Dark Change
[22:14] <jazzslag> that's lovely
[22:14] <jazzslag> if anyone knows this command it'd be great lol
[23:11] <Eickmeyer> jazzslag: There's no command line for studio-controls as it's only a gui to control autojack.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> twbuncho[m]1: That is a known bug with gtk/qt. Simply go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Colors, go to a different color scheme, apply, go to your desired color scheme, click apply again. That's a workaround, but it's a bug with Plasma, not ours.
[23:13] <jazzslag> so the autojack command might be my best bet?
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> jazzslag: autojack simply parses a config in ~/.config/autojack and also has no command line.
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> The entire point of studio-controls and autojack is to make it easier for users to use Jack and not have to use the terminal.
[23:15] <jazzslag> i get that, and it definitely solves audio problems I was experiencing with 'vanilla' ubuntu
[23:16] <Eickmeyer> In the future I hope to make a Plasma widget that can start/stop Jack from the systray.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> But OvenWerk1 is the primary dev.
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> On studio-controls.
[23:19] <jazzslag> the main reason is that the program i'm running (a threaded python program with overlapping playback of samples) seems to be causing xruns
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> jazzslag: You don't have to run studio-controls at the same time Jack is running. Once it's running, you can safely close it.
[23:21] <jazzslag> i get that also, all i want to do is restart the jack server from the command line
[23:21] <Eickmeyer> Then what I'd do if I were you is learn how to use Jack directly from the command line.
[23:22] <Eickmeyer> https://jackaudio.org is a good place to start.
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> Because, to be honest, I don't know how myself.
[23:25] <jazzslag> lol I was really hoping to avoid getting into the guts of Jack. appreciate the help though
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> No prob. BTW, I don't know of a single jack controller that provides a command-line control beyond dbus interfaces, which is its own ball of wax.
[23:31] <jazzslag> I had a feeling this would be tricksy, I'll have a think, there must be a workaround
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> Most people, when they need a custom solution, build custom scripts, which gets very tricky and builds a lot of trial/error. If you're getting xruns, my guess is studio-controls is probably not the culpret since it's literally the process running Jack.
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> If you have a USB interface, you might try making sure you're using these settings: https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/list_of_jack_frame_period_settings_ideal_for_usb_interface
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> Rather, it's not the process running Jack.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> It provides literally zero overhead.
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> !morehelp
[23:43] <jazzslag> Ah great thanks for the link, (samplerate/buffersize)*period might be the culprit, I'll try it tomorrow. My orig hunch was that it was a problem with playing multiple audio streams via python threading
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> jazzslag: Yeah, likely not. While studio-controls is written in Python, it isn't running if the gui isn't running. It was written in such a way that it has no overhead.


[06:12] <lapion> whatever happened to #ubuntu ?
[06:12] <dax> elaborate?
[06:13] <lapion> oops I just needed to close the tabe and rejoin..
[06:13] <lapion> tab
[06:14] <lapion> even worse I had two tabs active at the same time, one where I could not rjoin and one where I never left
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:30] <cantoo> is current ubuntu beta stable ?
[09:31] <k1l> if you need to ask that dont use development releases :)
[09:31] <cantoo> thanks
[09:31] <cantoo> i'm gonna do it tho
[09:31] <ikonia> more fool you
[09:32] <ikonia> considering the basic issues you are having in #ubuntu using an unstable/development release seems like suicide


[14:38] <wuzle> Hello, I am trying to write a conf file for wicd. It looks like the daemon start, but upstart is tracking the wrong pid. ie if I run 'sudo start wicd', it returns the process as 2806. But soon after, status shows the process as 'stop/waiting' and the pid reported in /var/run/wicd/wicd.pid is 2807. Is upstart tracking the wrong process here? Is there a way to fix it?
[15:07] <sadmac> wuzle: could be a weird one. strace it and see how many times it forks
[15:09] <wuzle> sadmac: I tried just starting wicd in the foreground from upstart. It seams to work, but is this a bad thing?
[15:10] <sadmac> wuzle: you mean you told it not to daemonize?
[15:10] <sadmac> wuzle: that's a fantastic thing. Always the preferred option
[15:10] <sadmac> well, you don't get the "readiness" indicator that forking provides, but usually its a fine thing.
[15:11] <wuzle> sadmac: yes, there was a command line option to wicd.
[15:11] <wuzle> sadmac: I mean, yes, I told it not to deamonize
[15:11] <sadmac> wuzle: yeah, that's fine
[15:12] <ion> As soon as Upstart 0.10 is released, letting it fork is a good thing. Until that, it’s often best to let it stay in foreground.
[15:13] <wuzle> BTW, this all started because the wicd init.d script wasn't working on startup (Ubuntu 9.10). But worked fine if I call '/etc/init.d/wicd start'. The guys on the wicd chat room thought it was because dbus wasn't started yet. And I noticed dbus moved to upstart. So that is why I have come down this road.
[15:17] <jfanj> I am having a problem with many of my daemons not starting on boot and was wondering if anyone here could help me out?


[09:00] <jsgotangco> i thought breezy had serpentine?
[09:00] <Madpilot> thought I saw something in one of the promo things - doesn't it?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> it does
[09:01] <jsgotangco> where is it?
[09:01] <jsgotangco> or is it invoked when putting a blank disc?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> sound and video
[09:01] <jsgotangco> there's no serpentine here in colony 3
[09:02] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[09:06] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you are correct
[09:08] <jsgotangco> putting a blank disc asks you if you want to burn an audio/photo or data cd
[09:09] <jsgotangco> audio does nothing
[09:09] <Burgundavia> it is a bug
[09:09] <jsgotangco> photo does nothing too
[09:10] <jsgotangco> data opens up nautilus burner
[09:11] <Burgundavia> just chatting with mdz now
[10:14] <mdke> morning all
[10:14] <Burgundavia> morning
[10:16] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i should buy a usb wlan stick and see if its just breezy that has an itch
[10:41] <rob^> got a laptop? load breezy, take it into the store and plug it in.
[10:42] <jsgotangco> rob^, i've tried 2 cards already nothing worked
[10:42] <rob^> ouch, I hope you didn't pay for them
[10:43] <jsgotangco> nope
[10:43] <jsgotangco> they work fine in my other laptop
[10:44] <rob^> have you tried http://www.linuxhardware.net?
[10:44] <rob^> maybe you'll need to recompile your kernel to include the right drivers
[10:45] <jsgotangco> recompiling isn't part of the scope of the testing :)
[10:45] <rob^> do they have a list of ones that do work?
[10:46] <jsgotangco> prism and atheros generally work
[10:46] <rob^> tried em?
[10:46] <jsgotangco> i have 2 prism cards
[10:47] <jsgotangco> they all work in hoary except on the M2
[10:47] <Burgundavia> likely a PCMCIA bug
[10:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, likely
[10:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, but i have an Intel Pro/Wireless it should also work out of the box
[10:47] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:47] <rob^> hey, would anyone recommend dnsmasq over bind for dns caching only server?
[10:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, it doesn't
[10:48] <Burgundavia> rob^, they were talking about dmsmasq for network-manager
[10:48] <rob^> oh?
[10:48] <rob^> so everyone one has proper dns set up?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> decided to back that out in favour of keeping bind9
[10:49] <rob^> ah
[10:49] <Burgundavia> no idea, talk to j^
[10:49] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, did you start on Quick Tour already?
[10:49] <rob^> I just want something lightweight
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, only on the wiki
[10:49] <jsgotangco> I'll be editing About Ubuntu later to reflect the changes on Firefox and OOo
[10:49] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, going to put it in SVN tomorrow
[10:53] <mdke> that diablo guy owns #ubuntu-laptop? jeez
[10:53] <mdke> he needs to hand that over
[10:53] <Burgundavia> we are probably going to have to yank it our from him
[10:53] <Burgundavia> which looks bad for us
[10:53] <rob^> I'm sure lilo will be happy to do it
[10:53] <rob^> I asked him to do something similar once
[10:54] <mdke> why does it look bad for us?
[10:54] <mdke> get it done asap, the guy is a menace
[10:54] <Burgundavia> because he is quite loud and vocal
[10:54] <Burgundavia> and well spread the word wide
[10:54] <mdke> np
[10:54] <rob^> I wouldn't worry about him
[10:54] <rob^> let the ops deal with it
[10:54] <rob^> he should have known better
[10:55] <mdke> yes
[10:55] <Burgundavia> he already left -devel in a huff
[10:55] <Burgundavia> and bitched about daniels in -laptop, which got him kicked by mjg59
[10:55] <rob^>  /ignore
[10:55] <jsgotangco> rob^, i'm not really worried a bit on the unit not working at all, after all, laptop testing hasn't really formally started yet
[10:55] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, actually, I think it has
[10:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we have a colony and a laptop
[10:56] <rob^> yep, still though it should work if its listed as such
[10:56] <jsgotangco> we still don't get emails from ubuntu-laptop
[10:56] <Burgundavia> but I don't expect much from this relesae
[10:56] <Burgundavia> breezy+1 is where they are going to work us hard
[10:56] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:57] <Burgundavia> but already mjg59 is doing amazing work
[10:57] <jsgotangco> indeed
[10:58] <mdke> ah there is a mailing list
[10:58] <jsgotangco> i see a lot of tosh utils in dmesg
[10:58] <mdke> the testers should have been subscribed to that
[10:58] <jsgotangco> mdke, we've been subscribed explicitly
[10:58] <Burgundavia> doesn't exist yet
[10:58] <mdke> i just saw it in lists.
[10:58] <jsgotangco> i tried to join it 2 days ago and it said i was already subscribed
[10:59] <Burgundavia> lid close, card readers. Anything else I missed from the template?
[10:59] <jsgotangco> there's just nothing on it yet
[10:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, lid close meaning sleep?
[11:00] <jsgotangco> it only shuts down the lcd for me
[11:00] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:05] <Burgundavia> a sane comment on osnews --> http://osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=11635&comment_id=21597
[11:19] <rob^> yay running your own dns rocks!
[12:00] <Burgundavia> night
[02:44] <jjesse> monring


[03:28] <jthan> wyattderp: Do you know my name? :-p
[03:28] <wyattderp> jthan, I dont think so o.O
[03:28] <jthan> It was on your list!
[03:29] <jthan> Does andrew not even idle here anymore?
[03:29] <jthan> WHAT IS HAPPENING?
[03:31] <TheLordOfTime> jthan:  been away for a while...?
[03:31] <jthan> Yeah, kind of.
[03:31] <TheLordOfTime> ah
[03:33] <jthan> Actually yeah.
[03:33] <jthan> To be honest, I don't know why I idle here.
[03:34] <jthan> None of the "originals" that I met here are even here anymore, minus a few that are also in other channels. so.
[03:34] <TheLordOfTime> I lurk here because men
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> meh*
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> the channel's usually  inactive 99% of the time so...
[03:35]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> i'm usually in #ubuntu-server or #ubuntu-bugs or some bitcoin channel more often than not.  or #ubuntuforums xD
[03:35] <jthan> Yeah. It used to be just the opposite. Used to be able to come here at any given hour of the day and there was a lot of active conversation
[03:35] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[03:36] <jthan> *sigh* the good ol' days.
[03:37] <jthan> I don't even use Ubuntu anymore. Such is my life.
[03:38] <jthan> bts3685: MAKE KEJAVA COME BACK
[03:38] <jthan> pleia2: and you can get andrew.
[03:39] <TheLordOfTime> jthan:  heh.  i still use Ubuntu primarily, mostly on servers, and since the last time I saw this channel active I've moved into specializing with bug triage.
[03:39] <TheLordOfTime> (even more specifically, bug triage for nginx :P)
[03:39] <jthan> Oh that's nifty. I'm a fan.
[03:40] <jthan> And by "i'm a fan" I mean, I haven't tried nginx yet, but I have menat to.
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> i do the triaging of ubuntu bugs for nginx
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> i also maintain their PPAs, but i'm a little behind
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> although I'm going to apply for upload rights for the nginx package here on Ubuntu at some point
[03:40] <jthan> I wish I had more time to be active. There is so much I want to delve into and try.
[03:40] <TheLordOfTime> ... maybe after this Critical SRU goes through
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> jthan:  honestly, this is my "ubuntu activity" when i'm here
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> but i've been active less and less
[03:41] <TheLordOfTime> (BUT STILL KICKING!)
[03:41] <jthan> I think it counts :-p
[03:41] <jthan> I used to hang out in #ubuntu offering a hand whenever possible.
[03:42] <TheLordOfTime> i do support on Ask Ubuntu nowadays
[03:42] <TheLordOfTime> occasional support in #ubuntu-server because nginx
[03:43] <jthan> Ask Ubuntu?
[03:43] <TheLordOfTime> http://askubuntu.com/
[03:43] <jthan> Oh that's really cool.
[03:43] <jthan> I want to contribute :-p
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> you can, it's free!
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> http://askubuntu.com/users/10616/thomas-w  <-- that's me
[03:45] <jthan> I don't even have an install though, so most times checking into a solution is pretty difficult :-p
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> hehe
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> jthan:  you can just help newbies then
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> with basics
[03:45] <jthan> That's true. What languages are you proficient in?
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> "languages" as in...
[03:45] <TheLordOfTime> spoken language or coding?
[03:46] <jthan> Coding. Sorry.. was reading your bio. It made sense in my head.
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> that's an old bio
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> use my LP information instead
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> http://launchpad.net/~teward
[03:46] <jthan> You should fix the link in your bio then
[03:46] <TheLordOfTime> "proficient" is a relative term, i'm by no means expert in each
[03:47] <TheLordOfTime> yes i should
[03:47] <TheLordOfTime> as i said, old bio
[03:47] <TheLordOfTime> jthan:  and i've updated my bio a little now.
[03:48] <TheLordOfTime> but... i don't keep that stuff up to date
[03:48] <jthan> You go to Pitt?
[03:48] <TheLordOfTime> nope, Penn State.
[03:48] <TheLordOfTime> Penn State Harrisburg Campus if you want to be specific
[03:48] <TheLordOfTime> but still Penn State
[03:48] <jthan> Got it.
[03:48] <jthan> I'm on the other side of the state, Hellertown... About 20 minutes East of Allentown.
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> yeah you're on the far other side of the state from me :P
[03:49] <jthan> Yes, indeed.
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> I'm in Pittsburgh right now, but I go to school in Harrisburg
[03:49] <jthan> Pittsburgh is a legit city.
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> you're kinda in prime position to go to FOSSCON though
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> :p
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> me, well...
[03:49] <jthan> I go to school out in Boulder, CO.  About to head back next Thursday.
[03:49]  * TheLordOfTime can't afford it at the moment
[03:49] <TheLordOfTime> nice.
[03:49] <jthan> :-/ Been there, done that.
[03:50] <TheLordOfTime> i need to go to FOSSCON.. can't this year :/
[03:50] <TheLordOfTime> because E: No Money.
[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[09:22] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[09:25] <rmg51> o/
[10:59] <KyleYankan> TheLordOfTime: Too far away from fosscon?
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:10] <JonathanD> hi
[12:10] <teddy-dbear> 0/
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> \o
[13:21] <InHisName> TheLordOfTime: try to check if someone else is leaving from Harrisburg for fosscon with empty seat in vehicle.  Check with JonathanD.  You might luck out with only $0 cost space to fosscon, if the driver wants to be generous.
[13:22] <JonathanD> Hi.
[13:22] <JonathanD> TheLordOfTime: you're only in hburg?
[13:22] <InHisName> Hi JonathanD and everyone else
[13:22] <JonathanD> Hey InHisName
[13:23] <InHisName> Will fosscon doors be 'open' at 8:30, if I arrive that early ?
[13:23] <JonathanD> Yes.
[13:23] <JonathanD> We might still be doing some setup.
[13:23] <JonathanD> (you can help :P)
[13:23] <InHisName> I could help
[13:23] <InHisName> Oh you said that
[13:55] <jedijf> rmg51: how are we on cd's/dvd's?
[13:56] <jedijf> i have sticks for usb installs - vm's to play with - can use sticks for that too
[13:56] <rmg51> I just bought 25 dvds
[13:56] <jedijf> nice
[13:56] <jedijf> don't burn - we'll do onsite when we know what they want'
[13:57] <rmg51> still have plenty of cds
[13:57] <jedijf> sound like a plan?
[13:57] <rmg51> it's what we did last year
[13:58] <jedijf> can't remember yesterday, let alone last year
[13:58] <rmg51> now all I have to do is get out of the apt early ebough
[13:59] <jedijf> well, i mean you can get there whenever - i should be there by 8 to setup - pastry first then our stuff -
[14:00] <jedijf> gonna defer to fedora and gentoo and let them setup if they're there
[14:00] <jedijf> since they're supporting fest too
[14:02] <jedijf> bbiab bid opening in 15 minutes in brick nj
[18:15]  * wyattderp Is glaring at teddy-dbear "Darn knife weilding bear..."
[18:16] <teddy-dbear> :-D
[18:17] <wyattderp> o.O
[18:17] <wyattderp> >,..,<
[18:17] <teddy-dbear> I may have to dig out my sword for fosscon ;-)
[18:17] <wyattderp> Oh so you will be there... o.O
[18:18] <teddy-dbear> or my tommygun
[18:18] <wyattderp> REMATCH BEAR! I'll bring my.... lighter.
[18:18] <teddy-dbear> maybe my pitchfork
[18:19] <wyattderp> Hmm... We will have to see...


[04:09] <locknet> Hi guys!, is there any chance that a cifs mount makes hang a Windows Server?
[04:11] <locknet> i mount 5 shared folders (36GB total) in a debian system to backup the data, today the server (Windows Server 2012) gets frezzed (after almost a complete day to be mounted)
[04:11] <locknet> frozen*
[13:07] <samba35> how to i clam unclaimed devices (why usb and display are showing uncalaim ?)
[13:08] <tomreyn> yes
[13:09] <samba35> -communication:0 UNCLAIME also
[13:09] <samba35> how to fix  ?
[13:10] <samba35> after google it say device drivers but i am confued
[13:10] <samba35> confused
[13:11] <tomreyn> you're also not going to length to provide needed info, as always :-/
[13:11] <tomreyn> what's the command you're running, the command that created this output? what's the full output, on a pastebin? what's not working as expected? are there any error messages? which ubuntu release are you running?
[13:12] <samba35> ok
[13:12] <samba35> Linux version 4.15.0-108-generic (buildd@lcy01-amd64-013) (gcc version 7.5.0 (Ubuntu 7.5.0-3ubuntu1~18.04)) #109-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 19 11:33:10 UTC 2020
[13:13] <samba35> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS"
[13:19] <samba35> tomreyn, what will be best command to get full idea of this kind of error
[13:19] <samba35> i run lshw but it does not show any erros
[13:20] <tomreyn> samba35: what's the error you're encountering?
[13:21] <samba35> i am not able to get sound ,not proper display ,some usb devices not working
[13:21] <tomreyn> did this start recently, or has it always been this way?
[13:22] <samba35> recently
[13:22] <tomreyn> so you've been running ubuntu 18.04 on this system for a while already?
[13:23] <samba35> i hold kernel .109 and unhold it after weeks .but after that i work 1/2 days but after that problem started
[13:23] <samba35> and now i update and upgrade
[13:24] <tomreyn> why did you set the kernel image to be held?
[13:24] <samba35> apt-mark unhold and apt-make showhold dont show any package still i am not able to update to kernel  4.15.0-109
[13:24] <samba35> there was some problem long time back
[13:26] <tomreyn> the #109 kernel image is from june 19, that's not a long time ago.
[13:26] <tomreyn> was "some problem" about sound, about display, or about usb devices not working?
[13:27] <samba35> may be problem start that time and then i hold and now unhold
[13:28] <samba35> sound card show dummy output
[13:30] <samba35>  after reinstall new kernel grub not able to get new kernel
[13:30] <tomreyn> rmadison linux-image-generic
[13:31] <tomreyn> ^ ignore this
[13:31] <samba35> should i install this package?
[13:32] <tomreyn> you should install all the pending updates, ensure you undo the changes which caused your kernel to be held at an old version, then reboot
[13:32] <samba35> ok
[13:33] <samba35> btw with 18.04.5 what is current version of kernel ?
[13:34] <tomreyn> ubuntu server will prompt you as to whether you want the vanilla kernel you have, or the !LTSE kernel.
[13:36] <samba35> ok i will get back to u later ,will update system
[13:36] <samba35> Thanks
[13:36] <tomreyn> always do this first of all, when you run into errors or unexpected behaviour.
[13:38] <samba35> always do what ? please
[13:39] <tomreyn> always install any pending updates first of all
[13:39] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[13:39] <samba35> ok
[13:39] <samba35> Thanks
[13:40] <samba35> bye for now
[20:52] <kre10> hey guys, can you help me to install tvheadend on ubuntu 20.X(focal)(raspberry 4)?
[20:55] <tomreyn> !crosspost | kre10
[20:56] <kre10> So sorry!


[00:07] <Guest44454> Good afternoon everyone, I am really struggling with cloud-init. Can I fire off some questions?
[00:07] <Guest44454> The struggle starts with me knowing absolutely 0 (zero) about it
[00:08] <Guest44454> But my boss has insisted we use it to spin up our servers in case of disaster
[00:37] <minimal> Guest44454: have you started by readings the docs? https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[13:53] <Guest38> Hello all, does cloud-init has support for lvm ? i don't see nothing mentioned on the documentation.
[13:59] <falcojr> Guest38: No, there's nothing for setting up or resizing anything LVM related
[14:26] <minimal> falcojr: growpart (from cloud-utils) does have some lvm support
[14:28] <minimal> Guest38: so far I've just added entries to run_cmd in user-data to run pvresize and lvextend
[14:30] <minimal> IMHO growing/resizing LVM is not a simple "one size fits all" method - typically I'd want the underlying partition grown to fill the disk and the PV on top of it also grown to fill the partition, but I would not want LVs automatically resized by cloud-init
[14:32] <minimal> falcojr: just checked, growpart can run "lvm pvresize" (I assume after partition has been grown)
[14:32] <falcojr> minimal: in cloud-init?
[14:33] <minimal> cloud-init typically calls cloud-utils' growpart
[14:34] <falcojr> yeah, but IIRC, we don't expose any options through cloud-init that work with LVM
[14:34] <minimal> depending on the user-data "growpart" mode setting
[14:35] <minimal> I just just pointing out that if growpart is triggered by cloud-init to grow a LVM partition it also will do a pvresize as well
[14:36] <minimal> so there's a limited degree of "implicit" support for LVM by viture of using growpart
[18:16] <blackboxsw> falcojr: just filed a review for discussion of on your pycloudlibe ec2 test instance launch approach https://github.com/canonical/pycloudlib/pull/188
[18:24] <falcojr> blackboxsw: "I'm testing this suggestion now". No problem if you want to keep going with it, but I can make the changes too
[18:25] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I'm just trying to make sure my suggestion doesn't actually break our use of pycloudlib :)
[18:26] <falcojr> blackboxsw: I see the param now in run_instances documentation (for some reason I didn't before), so I think it should work
[18:27] <blackboxsw> I think there may be a reason for post-launch IPV6 setup (because cloud-init's doesn't handle IPv6 via the EphermeralDHCPv4 local stage setup). But, maybe this is a non-issue for this iteration because we can specify both HttpProtocolIpv6='enabled' and HttpEndpoint='enabled'
[18:28] <blackboxsw> I'm not sure if omission of the HttpEndpoint setting will 'disable' ipv4 in this case
[18:29] <falcojr> blackboxsw: the one I'm setting in this PR only enables the IPv6 endpoint. v4 still lives too. I can't see how enabling it would break anything else
[18:29] <falcojr> (famous last words)
[19:07] <blackboxsw> spending my time today going through our cloud-config-user-groups.txt docs as they are not deployable without error :/
[20:19] <Guest44454> Morning all
[20:19] <Guest44454> I was talking yesterday about help with cloud-init on a bare metal local install
[20:20] <Guest44454> Can anyone help? My humble question is, how do I do it. I have read the docs (and gravely missed something) as I cannot see how cloud-init starts
[20:21] <Guest44454> ANy help with setting up a solution would be appreciated
[20:23] <meena> Guest44454: cloud-init starts on boot, however, it needs a data source that tells it what to do
[20:23] <Guest44454> Hi Meena
[20:24] <Guest44454> I understand that a 'nocloud' setup means I need to create my config file & place it in the /etc/cloud/ folder on my installation medium? (eg. /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg)
[20:24] <Guest44454> Is that correct?
[20:25] <meena> Guest44454: no
[20:26] <meena> NoCloud is either a filesystem or a available via HTTP: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/nocloud.html
[20:28] <Guest44454> Ok,
[20:28] <Guest44454> so,
[20:28] <blackboxsw> +1  meena thx. and additionally (and underdocumented) NoCloud can be seeded from /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net in an image per https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/sources/DataSourceNoCloud.py#L31    Generally the easiest check of how/whether cloud-init can detect your datasource is looking through the script ds-identify which tells cloud-init whether the environment in which it is running looks like
[20:28] <blackboxsw> it might be viable
[20:29] <blackboxsw> ds-identify code is here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/tools/ds-identify#L836 specifically that function tells cloud-init whether it thinks it will discover NoCloud config details
[20:29] <meena> i think one other undocumented thing is that there's no general guidelines on how to do a bare-metal install with cloud-init
[20:30] <Guest44454> Here comes probably the noobiest question, please be kind: Where & when & how do I run that command? ds=nocloud[;key=val;key=val]
[20:30] <Guest44454> Thanks meena, thats the struggle I was thinking :(
[20:31] <Guest44454> Scenario: I am standing in front of new hardware, nothing on it, with a USB stick and ubuntu server
[20:31] <blackboxsw> meena/Guest44454 +1 I was thinking we should add this to our upcoming roadmap as well (we've tried carving out time for documentation overhaul, tutorials/howtos etc of which I feel this could be a part of what's needed)
[20:32] <Guest44454> blackboxsw I am happy to contribute my journey in this
[20:33] <Guest44454> Let me just confirm what I have done in the past:
[20:35] <Guest44454> I created my usb drive with ubunutu server, and a bash script on the drive itself. I installed Ubuntu then ran the bash script which updated, upgraded, created users from a called bash script & expired their passwords forcing password changes at login & installed all needed software
[20:35] <Guest44454> This works perfectly, but now we are looking to cloud-init
[20:37] <memyselfandubunt> Hello all, when installing from a mini.iso i get around 360 packages very minimal instalation(which is what i want), but if i install it from the ubuntu-live-server i get around 560 packages without selecting any package group, is it possible to overwrite this in the ubuntu-live-server install (siquibity?)?
[20:37] <minimal> Guest44454: generally you start with an OS image already configured with cloud-init enabled, write that to a disk and boot so that cloud-init does its stuff on 1st boot
[20:40] <Guest44454> Thanks minimal, this part I also guessed to be right. How do I get the already configured OS written to disk to boot? 'our disk images are +350Gb'
[20:41] <meena> Guest44454: is all of that 350G used??
[20:41] <Guest44454> Its our ERP server
[20:41] <meena> https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#growpart
[20:41] <Guest44454> No, the hdd space is not full, but our image of working data is 350+ GB
[20:43] <Guest44454> I know I can exclude the ERP & rsync after install, so then lets go back to standing in front of a new hardware with a usb drive with ubuntu saerver on it
[20:43] <Guest44454> That usb drive contains my config, somewhere?
[20:45] <meena> Guest44454: usually, when creating an image, you shrink / truncate it to the most minimal size. So, a complex application might be somewhere between 500M and 9G. But 350G is… unusual.
[20:46] <Guest44454> My 350Gb was raw. Our existing ERP & data
[20:47] <minimal> Guest44454: well typically you'd have a disk image and then in the cloud-init user-data you would grow the partitions and copy data onto the machine via smb/nfs/http/etc
[20:47] <minimal> rather than bundling data into the disk image
[20:47] <Guest44454> Ah ok....
[20:48] <minimal> otherwise you'd end up with a disk image designed specifically for *one* machine which really negates the point of creating a disk image/using cloud-init in the first place
[20:49] <meena> yeah, bundling data is usually bad, it makes migrations hard
[20:50] <blackboxsw> Guest44454: ds=nocloud[;key=val;key=val] are directives that folks can use if launching KVM instances though QEMU or if they have access to set SMBIOS settings on their cloud platform, so probably not generally a bare-metal deployment approach. The live-server installer that memyselfandubunt mentioned is generally leveraging cloud-init to setup NoCloud datasource config based on configuration options chosen during install.
[20:51] <Guest44454> Just on a call, thanks guys, I have more input :)
[20:57] <Guest44454> Back
[20:58] <blackboxsw> note that live-serverinstall is also supporting automated-installs https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference  && https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/automated-server-install-quickstart/16614
[20:59] <Guest44454> Ok, so I shrink my existing, working (lets say new install with all software installed) image & copy it to somewhere on my installation media. (If it is big enough or call it via http ot ftp if I recall correctly?
[20:59] <Guest44454> cloud-init will then inflate / install from that image
[21:00] <meena> Guest44454: growpart and resizefs modules is what do that
[21:00] <Guest44454> is this an instruction I configure in cloud-init setup?
[21:01] <Guest44454> I do feel quite foolish asking the questions all :)
[21:01] <blackboxsw> -> have to bail for a bit.   No foolish questions :) only foolish answers
[21:02] <Guest4445423> I am back as new guest name, I was disconnected :P
[21:04] <meena> Guest4445423: you could also /nick a nick we can recognize you under
[21:04]  * meena has something like dyslexia and dyscalculia going on, and couldn't tell Guest4445423 and Guest44454 apart
[21:04] <ice10001> Another stupid question, can I copy this conversation as reference?
[21:06] <blackboxsw> ice10001: logs are captured by an IRC bot and published here https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/04/12/%23cloud-init.html
[21:06] <blackboxsw> so you can reference historical/hysterical conversations in the future
[21:07] <ice10001> blackboxsw learning new things every day lol,
[21:15] <minimal> ice10001: what I do for bare metal (i.e. physical machine) is that as part of the disk image I prepare I create a very small FAT/EXT4 partition labelled "cidata" and I put the meta-data, network-config, user-data YAML file in that partition and enable NoCloud in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[21:17] <minimal> then I use a simple Linux bootable USB stick to boot any physical machine, "dd" the disk image onto the machine's HDD/SSD, mount the cidata partition from the bootstick and edit the YAML files accordingly (i.e. config hostname, IP details, etc) before doing the 1st boot
[21:17] <ice10001> Thanks minimal, that part is starting to sound familiar :), where is that partition then? On the same USB install drive?
[21:17] <minimal> s/from the bootdisk/from the HDD or SSD/
[21:19] <minimal> I create it as part of the disk image - depending on whether you're creating for BIOS or UEFI you typically will have more than a single partition required (e.g. UEFI ESP part) so its just a case of adding another very small one with the "cidata" fs label (NoCloud scans for a "cidata" filesystem
[21:19] <ice10001> ok, got that
[21:20] <minimal> I'm typically creating only a 1MiB partition as the YAML files are no size at all
[21:22] <minimal> so the network-config file is where you set DHCP or static IP config etc
[21:22] <minimal> most of the stuff is in the user-data file
[21:23] <ice10001> (y)
[21:23] <ice10001> so, can I sum up so far:
[21:28] <ice10001> minimal: Apologies, I got lost:
[21:29] <ice10001> You said: then I use a simple Linux bootable USB stick to boot any physical machine, "dd" the disk image onto the machine's HDD/SSD, mount the cidata partition from the bootstick and edit the YAML files accordingly (i.e. config hostname, IP details, etc) before doing the 1st boot
[21:29] <ice10001> If you already booted, how are you doing first boot mentioned at the end of that statement
[21:45] <ice10001> minimal: I may have understood this now: You boot the machine with your usb drive, then dd the usb image to the hdd of the machine. So the machine will start with the 'install process" as if it was installing from the usb
[21:51] <minimal> ice10001: if you "dd" a disk image onto a machine and then boot it there's no installation involved, its just running the OS as provided by the disk image
[21:52] <minimal> the USB stick could be running any Linux distro, its just a way to be able to "dd" the image onto the disk/SSD
[21:52] <ice10001> Ok thanks
[21:52] <minimal> I've been meaning to setup a PXE-based netboot as an alternative to using a USB stick