[12:16] <Lure> fdoving: ;-)
[12:19] <MidMark> Bug #78374
[12:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78374 in kde-guidance "user password is not read every time you open an user, results in password overwritten" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78374
[12:25] <nixternal> argh, the daily-live installer also crashes :(
[12:25] <MidMark> guys is there a plan or a date for solving the data loss bug for removable device?
[12:25] <nixternal> why don't you want me installing feisty :\
[12:26] <fdoving> nixternal: they know you'll find more bugs.. makes more work :)
[12:26] <nixternal> seems like it :)
[12:42] <fdoving> nite.
[12:45] <Lure> fdoving: nite
[01:39] <nixternal> anyone seen a split screen (1/2 blue/gray, the other half pink) when doing an apt-get upgrade recently with Feisty?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nice!  :D
[03:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ty
[03:13] <Hobbsee> awww
[03:52] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell
[04:00] <nixternal> crimsun: i take it the latest <IP_ADDRESS> kernel didn't get the sound fixes as well for conexant drivers
[04:03] <crimsun> nixternal: no, it requires a manual addition of one file and fairly invasive changes to two others
[04:03] <crimsun> you probably weren't reading when I said that
[04:03] <nixternal> sure i was
[04:03] <nixternal> or maybe not
[04:04] <crimsun> I'll try to cross-port them this week
[04:04] <nixternal> cool
[04:04] <crimsun> man, it sure would be nice if people helped.
[04:04] <nixternal> for the time being i have plugged in amplified speakers :)
[04:04] <crimsun> it sucks having to triage an entire subsystem by myself.
[04:04] <nixternal> well, if i knew wth i was doing with sound stuff i would help
[04:38] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You here?
[04:39] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yep :)
[04:39] <manchicken> How long is the meeting going to be.
[04:39] <manchicken> ?
[04:40] <manchicken> IIRC, 2200UTC is 1600CST...
[04:40] <manchicken> I'll still be at work at that time.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: not sure - couple of hours, maybe
[04:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: reckon you can irc from work?  :P
[04:40] <manchicken> I'm thinking of working from home tomorrow though.
[04:40] <nixternal> manchicken: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu?action=show#head-3eaefbc2eac3713873d872f82862c5f675244eee
[04:40] <nixternal> ;)
[04:40] <manchicken> I can IRC from work, but I'd miss the time from the trip home.
[04:40] <nixternal> yay for short header links
[04:41] <manchicken> heh
[04:41] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you could always leave late :P
[04:41] <manchicken> SWEET!!!!
[04:41] <manchicken> That's awesome.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's nice to see changes made.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> nice!
[04:41] <Hobbsee> that guidance isnt in kubuntu yet though
[04:41] <nixternal> Hobbsee: leaving late is not an issue when working in the City of Chicago, it is the traffic that is the issue, which means in order to not fight rush hour, you leave work at 3pm (early) or 7pm (late)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true.....
[04:42] <nixternal> oh wait, i forgot, i am, but i take the train ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> same in most countries, i think
[04:42] <manchicken> I'm going to be moving to Bourbonnais here soon.
[04:42] <nixternal> 1 mile walk/drive to the station
[04:42] <manchicken> I'll be taking Metra to and from work.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: nice :)
[04:42] <nixternal> then i hop on the good ol' red and brown line
[04:42] <manchicken> nixternal: Where you stay?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'd suggest going home late, and taking something into the office for dinner, etc
[04:42] <nixternal> bloomingdale
[04:42] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'm hoping the meeting will bring lots of interesting things
[04:43] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I think I might just work from home tomorrow.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> that works too :)
[04:43] <manchicken> I'm hoping that there will be smaller changes that are needed that will make big differences.
[04:43] <manchicken> This software-properties proggy will be nice to port over, but I'm concerned it might not make code freeze.
[04:45] <nixternal> manchicken: usability wise the tabs in system settings are great!
[04:45] <Hobbsee> manchicken: when's code freeze?  feature freeze?
[04:45] <nixternal> i will admit that i did not notice the advanced portions at first with the Edgy layout
[04:45] <nixternal> for Herd2? it is like soon/now i believe
[04:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, right.  do it for herd 3 then
[04:46] <Hobbsee> there are 6 herds - plenty of time
[04:46] <nixternal> Hobbsee: kaudiocreator and kscd are being removed I take it?
[04:46] <manchicken> I thought it was 2007.02.08
[04:47] <manchicken> Riddell said that was freeze date, ready or not.
[04:47] <manchicken> Though I may have misunderstood.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dunno, are they?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: oh yeah, feature freeze. that just means "get a section of the code in, it doesnt have to work yet"
[04:48] <nixternal> it is Feb 8 for feature freeze
[04:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: submit semi working code, then keep fixing it as fast as you can :)
[04:49] <manchicken> This software-properties work is going to need some work.  heh.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> manchicken: hehe.  i'm glad that you're doing it :)
[04:49] <manchicken> heh
[04:49] <manchicken> I'm going to separate the bloody backend from the front.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mind you, as for why i want a menu box to say "it's done" giving me 2 boxes to click out of, i'm not sure.  change the text of the first menu box, and make the second "done" one vanish
[04:51] <manchicken> The Qt port is first ^_^
[04:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:51] <Hobbsee> that's a bug in the gnoem one :P
[04:52] <manchicken> nixternal: You know where there's a changelog?  I want to show off to my dad ;)
[04:54] <nixternal> hehe
[04:54] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com   and locate the feisty-changes one, it will be somewhere in there
[04:58] <nixternal> what package is system-settings part of?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kde-systemsettings, iirc
[04:59] <Hobbsee> apt-cache showsrc system-settings
[05:04] <nixternal> manchicken: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/systemsettings/?rev=619933&view=rev
[05:04] <nixternal> errr
[05:04] <nixternal> ya that's it
[05:08] <manchicken> Sweet.
[07:31] <highvoltage> Riddell: ping
[11:12] <Tonio__> hi
[11:12] <Tonio__> ;)
[11:13] <crimsun> wb
[11:14] <raphink> salut Tonio__
[11:14] <raphink> hi crimsun
[11:15] <Tonio__> yo raphink, banan !!!!!
[11:15] <raphink> bananier, bon sak!
[11:16] <Tonio__> hehe, merde il connaissait la suite ;)
[11:16] <Tonio__> how are you ?
[11:16] <raphink> goude sankiou
[11:17] <raphink> testing svn-buildpackage
[11:17] <crimsun> hi raphink
[11:17] <raphink> happy new year crimsun
[11:17] <Tonio_> hello crimsun
[11:17] <raphink> or api nouillre :)
[11:17] <crimsun> & you
[11:18] <raphink> :)
[11:19] <raphink> anyone uses svn-buildpackage here?
[11:36] <Riddell> highvoltage: pong
[11:39] <raphink> anyone knows how to build a source package with svn-buildpackage?
[11:39] <raphink> -S doesn't seem to be taken in consideration by svn-buildpackage
[11:44] <highvoltage> Riddell: do you know who maintains kubuntu.org?
[11:44] <Riddell> highvoltage: me
[11:45] <highvoltage> Riddell: great. is it possible to add more mirrors to download instructions?
[11:46] <Riddell> highvoltage: mirrors should be in launchpad
[11:46] <Riddell> then I have a script somewhere to update automatically
[11:46] <highvoltage> Riddell: ah, ok. hmmm... I see the mirrors are listed in http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[11:47] <highvoltage> Riddell: Znarl asked me earlier why it only links to cdimage.ubuntu.com, but I see he was mistaken
[11:49] <Riddell> the download page is generated from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[11:49] <Tonio_> hello Riddell
[11:50] <highvoltage> Riddell: ok, thanks. I'll just point Znarl to the downloads page if he asks again :)
[11:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: since II've not been there for a month, can you make me a short resume of kubuntu's todo work and priorities ?
[11:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: update kmplayer
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: otherwise I'm working on update tool this week
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also fix a few things in gtk-qt and systemsettings, desktop files etc....
[11:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: you have multimedia simplification and samba fixing assigned to you
[11:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know for samba, multimedia is about finished
[11:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: also you have getting upstream to fix kwin-style-crystal on your todo
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: done this morning
[11:52] <Riddell> oh?
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: my todo is still there, I was just talking about the things I've missed last month :)
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've send the fix upstream, I don't have a package right now, I'm waiting for the response
[11:53] <Riddell> perfect
[11:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm starting, let's go !
[11:54] <Tonio_> first is to finish multimedia spec and kmplauer
[11:55] <Tonio_> and getting jabbin reviewed for the sip spec
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: no freeze at the moment afaik right ?
[11:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: nope
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: kmplayer uploaded
[12:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: your friends openwengo together with KDE at http://www.kde-france.org/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,56/id,solutions_linux_2007/
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[12:43] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee, might be an idea to send a reminder to kubuntu-devel about the meeting incase there's confusion
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.  i've jsut gotten home from a horrible shift at work
[12:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: at the supermarket?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when my boss is in a *mega* bitchy mood....argh...horrible....
[12:47] <Riddell> you have people below you?  does that mean you're a boss too?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> which made everyone else mega-stressed, etc
[12:47] <Hobbsee> no, i'm not
[12:47] <Hobbsee> well, not usually
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ^
[12:50] <Riddell> you're our boss
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *puts boss hat on* - what are we goign to do about this removable media data loss bug?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whenever i act as the boss, i get into trouble :P  so i try not to act as boss...much...
[12:51] <hunger> Hobbsee: *My* boss would have said "what are *you* going to do about" ;-)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe :)
[12:52] <Riddell> which removable media data loss bug?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hunger: well, i cant code the stuff, so Riddell or someone else will have to fix it - the "me" part of it might be finding someone to code that fix :P
[12:52] <hunger> Hobbsee: Of course we all got that you actually meant that;-)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bug 61946
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[12:53] <Hobbsee> which is in feisty as well, presumably
[12:55] <Riddell> is there an upstream bug?
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe indeed
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, as long as wengo network is not a real sip one.... :)
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's a side effect of moving to dbus for it.  quite probably
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just surprised wengo and kde look close; since wengo isn't a real kde app and not really an open one
[12:57] <Hobbsee> jdong: poke
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: someone from wengo got on the gnome foundation board
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hunger: so you'll code us the fix, right?  :P
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nope. I'm trying to code something else right now.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hunger: awww :p
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hunger: what are you working on?
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: And that is with me being on vacation:-(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ouch :(
[01:03] <Hobbsee> what's vacation?
[01:03] <hunger> Hobbsee: Doing some demos for decibel.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[01:04] <hunger> Hobbsee: And "improving" stuff I do not have time for at work.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: likely :P
[01:11] <Jucato> wow. didn't realize the meeting is just 10 hours away :)
[01:11] <seaLne> getting excited? :)
[01:12] <Jucato> no. setting my alarm clock :)
[01:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you e-mail the people who have tried to join kubuntu-members?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yay :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not yet.  i need to figure out how best to do that
[01:13] <jsgotangco> ahh i miss those meetings that make me crazy that I'm living in +8 timezone
[01:13] <jsgotangco> NOT
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh wait, the people who are trying to join, or hte people already there?
[01:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the ones who have tried to join but aren't in
[01:13] <Jucato> jsgotangco: lovely, ain't it? :)
[01:14] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+members  the proposed members
[01:14] <jsgotangco> i dont miss it one bit
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not an admin of the team
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee hey :)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_!!!!
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee I'll be there toonight at the meeting fyi
[01:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you can still see that page though?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd probably decline them from within LP with a message about how to apply for membership
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mhb, iirc
[01:21] <Jucato> ah ok. he didn't add it to the agenda...
[01:22] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds like a list of bluetooht people would be a good thing to get at the meeting tomorrow :)
[01:24] <gnomefreak> tomorrow? you mean todays meeting?
[01:24] <Jucato> tomorrow for Hobbsee and me :)
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ah good point its late afternoon there :(
[01:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: meeting may not be the best place for that, just on the mailing list would have more potential people
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.....
[01:26] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah.  s/tomorrow/today
[01:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: probably best to refer to "the meeting" rather than "the meeting <insert time here>" :P
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:29] <Riddell> the meeting in 9.5 hours
[01:30] <Jucato> that works too :)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> argh, i want sleep first :P
[01:43] <pinheiro> back
[01:43] <Jucato> moin pinheiro!
[01:45] <Hobbsee> hey pinheiro!
[01:45] <pinheiro> heya
[01:46] <pinheiro> meeting?
[01:46] <Jucato> topic
[01:47] <pinheiro> so its today?
[01:47] <pinheiro> 22.00
[01:47] <Jucato> depends on which timezone, but basically, yes :)
[01:47] <pinheiro> greenich time
[01:47] <pinheiro> my time
[01:48] <Jucato> oooh :)
[01:48] <Jucato> right in the middle of it all
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: would you like have a look on kchmviewer on ppc?
[01:49] <Riddell> freeflying: not today I'm afraid, I'm in feature mode not bug mode
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what feature?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> freeflying: what's wrong with it?
[01:50] <freeflying> Hobbsee: it keep crashing from dapper on ppc
[01:50] <freeflying> Hobbsee: but the same version works fine in sid
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dist upgrade tool
[01:51] <pinheiro> will be there
[01:51] <freeflying> Riddell: you've add im-switch to language-selector-qt?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> freeflying: ah
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: which?
[01:52] <Jucato> the one about #kubuntu
[01:52] <Hobbsee> oh, the one from ages ago...
[01:52] <Jucato> but reserve your talk for llater :)
[01:52] <Jucato> later*
[01:52] <Riddell> freeflying: yes (well, I just copied whatever was in the gtk one)
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: the gtk one is writen by mvo?
[01:55] <Riddell> freeflying: yes
[01:55] <Jucato> wb Hobbsee
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: need we test it for you?  :)
[01:56] <Riddell> freeflying: yes please
[01:56] <freeflying> Hobbsee: the meeting time is too early here, I can only be there for about 30 m
[01:56] <Hobbsee> yay, kde :)
[01:56] <freeflying> :)
[01:57] <freeflying> Riddell: where they stands?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: fair enough
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in feisty
[01:59] <Hawkwind> The meeting is during precious nap time here...... :-)
[02:01] <Jucato> heh
[02:01] <freeflying> Riddell: kubuntu-desktop dosen't depends on language-selector-qt now
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Hawkwind: nap early :P
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Tell the 4 year old that!
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Hah
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: you said gwenview is unmaintained now ? did upstream talked that ? last version is one month old only
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Hawkwind> Unfortunately, he's a *sick* 4 year old right now :(
[02:03] <Hobbsee> ah :(
[02:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes he did
[02:03] <Jucato> Tonio_: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=37647108
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, okay so we'll have to discuss this in the meeting.....
[02:04] <Tonio_> very annoying since showimg looks unmaintained too
[02:04] <Riddell> freeflying: it does here
[02:11] <Lure> Riddell: btw, did you find out why I do not see Language install/select buttons in Regional&Language?
[02:11] <Lure> does anybody else have this problem ^^^
[02:14] <Riddell> Lure: still no looked at it (since my apt is still broken), I hope the changes havn't been lost
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: did you upload the change or was screenshot from your local build?
[02:15] <Riddell> Lure: hmm, I can't see it in the kdebase changelog so maybe I didn't upload
[02:15] <Riddell> or I uploaded and it got overwritten
[02:15] <Riddell> hmm, that's not good
[02:15] <Lure> Riddell: :-(
[02:15] <freeflying> Lure: I can't find it too, so just ask Riddel about it :)
[02:17] <Lure> freeflying: thanks, I was already thinking that I was going mad not seing it ;-)
[02:19] <allee> Tonio_: hi, happy new year ;)
[02:19] <allee> Tonio_, Riddell: Gwenview changed again from unmainted to short-of-time-please-help: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=31356273&forum_id=1210
[02:19] <allee> so it's not that critical anymore
[02:20] <Tonio_> allee: good news
[02:20] <allee> yeap
[03:08] <Lure> Riddell: btw, when can we expect kubuntu- specs to be approved for feisty?
[03:08] <Lure> we are working on unapproved specs... ;-)
[03:17] <Riddell> Lure: I doubt anyone will get to approving the rest of the specs
[03:18] <Hobbsee> so the plan is just to implement them anyway?
[03:18] <Riddell> so long as I think they're sane, of course :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:19] <Lure> Riddell: I have marked the development status at least
[03:20] <Riddell> Lure: which spec are you thinking of?
[03:20] <Riddell> ah, -laptop and -network
[03:21] <Lure> Riddell: yep
[03:27] <Hobbsee> this is...neat :)
[03:28] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which kde doc?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> http://developernew.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Programming_Tutorial_KDE_4/
[03:28] <Hobbsee> the "i can code bits of C++ but cant code a thing in kde" one
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you may want to ask Riddell to give you a wake up call, btw
[03:28] <Jucato> aah the wiki. yeah :)
[03:29] <Jucato> heh no need. my mom's awake by 4:30 AM. :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh right, so that's a wiki
[03:31] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I'll be taking a look over those tutorials over the next few weeks :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yay :)
[03:31] <Jucato> I just haven't reached that "i can code bits of C++" part :P
[03:32] <Jucato> which is strange, because I made 2 very simple KDE patches lol
[03:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, neither can i...
[03:33] <Lure> sebas: 04:50	Riddell	http://alioth.debian.org/~modax-guest/13_preserve_perms_for_passwd_group_shadow.diff  current patch from debian for guidance user module
[03:33] <Lure> sebas: this looks useful improvement, but would make sense if you review it and apply if Ok with it
[03:39] <Hobbsee> argh, how's it 1.40am already?
[03:39] <Jucato> :D
[03:48] <Hobbsee> zigovr3: please disable your away message
[03:48] <Jucato> !away > zigovr3
[03:55] <manchicken> Hobbsee: So yes, I will be at the meeting.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yay :)
[03:55] <Jucato> kool
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hey Zerlinna
[03:55] <manchicken> Damnit, I don't think there's any coffee in this house.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> manchicken: quick!  go find some!
[03:57] <manchicken> I've got plenty of beer...
[03:57] <manchicken> But I think I'll wait for the meeting on that.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <Zerlinna> hi Hobbsee :)
[03:58] <Zerlinna> ...and hi everybody else ;)
[03:59] <Jucato> grrr! spilled tea over my shirt... :(
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:02] <Jucato> good thing it wasn't that hot anymore...
[04:03] <Jucato> I was drinking and something buzzed by me, thought it was a bee...
[04:03] <abattoir_> hi all :)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir!
[04:04] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: will you give me a wakeup call tomorrow please?
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya
[04:10] <Jucato> hi bddebian!
[04:10] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:11] <Hobbsee> OK, bedtime for me
[04:11] <Hobbsee> see you later, for the meeting
[04:12] <Jucato> see yah!
[04:33] <Lure> sebas: ignore - I have seen latest commit ;-)
[04:38] <jdong> Hobbsee|NotHere: <mock> contentless pong </mock>
[04:39] <Jucato> er.. contentless ping :P
[04:40] <jdong> Jucato: she pinged me last night with "poke" :D
[04:40] <Jucato> aaah
[04:40] <Jucato> so it's payback time :)
[05:02] <zigovr3> sorry what's about my away message ?
[05:02] <zigovr3> anyway I'm not away anymore :)
[05:03] <Jucato> !away
[05:03] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[05:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee|NotHere: sure
[06:04] <manchicken> I'm excited about the meeting.
[06:04] <Riddell> I hope it doesn't disappoint you :)
[06:04] <bddebian> Excited about meetings?  Sicko ;-P
[06:05] <manchicken> It's my first time actually being involved enough in a project to give a shit about the meetings ;)
[06:05] <bddebian> hehe
[06:06] <manchicken> Riddell: That Qt port will happen, but I'm not sure if it's going to make code freeze.
[06:06] <manchicken> I'm having to separate backend from frontend a little bit since nobody thought of that before.
[06:07] <manchicken> Anybody know if Perl-Qt bindings will ever be complete?
[06:07] <bddebian> Sure, when you write them ;-P
[06:08] <sebas> Probably not
[06:09] <manchicken> heh
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: just do what you can, I'll probably look at it a bit before feature freeze anyway
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: what's incomplete about perl-qt?
[06:10] <manchicken> Almost none of the networking side of Qt is impletmented.
[06:10] <manchicken> QHttp, etc.
[06:11] <manchicken> I was working on a Podcast app in Perl-Qt... when I tried to use QHttp as my bitch for threaded HTTP requests, I found that QHttp wasn't actually being called.
[06:12] <Riddell> gosh, someone who still programmes in Perl
[06:14] <manchicken> That's my bread and butter man.
[06:14] <manchicken> I hack perl for a living ;)
[06:14] <manchicken> And it seems to be a rather sought-after skill.
[06:14] <manchicken> People keep offering to move me around the country.
[06:14] <manchicken> (US)
[06:17] <manchicken> Perl with embedded C is considerably useful.
[06:18] <manchicken> I wrote an interface to libmtp in Perl with Inline::C.
[06:18] <manchicken> Quite nice.
[06:21] <manchicken> Which reminds me, we need to update the standard amarok build to include libmtp.
[06:21] <manchicken> I'm tired of maintaining my own build ;)
[06:21] <manchicken> <-- lazy
[06:22] <Riddell> amarok in feisty does depend on libmtp
[06:23] <manchicken> Good ^_^
[06:23] <manchicken> Is there a hopeful release date for feisty?
[06:25] <Riddell> you must have seen the scheudule
[06:26] <Riddell> you were just talking about freeze dates
[06:27] <manchicken> I have seen no schedule.
[06:27] <manchicken> If there is one, I'm interested in seeing it ^_^
[06:29] <Riddell> oh well, FeistyReleaseSchedule is what you're after
[06:33] <manchicken> Ooh, just in time for tax season ;)
[06:33] <manchicken> I wonder if I could write off my kubuntu hacking time on my taxes ;)
[06:33] <manchicken> heh
[06:33] <manchicken> That'd be an interesting audit.
[06:34] <manchicken> "Well sir, I value my time at about $150USD/hour, and Ubuntu is a non-profit, so my contributions of 300 hours are all tax-deductable."
[06:34] <manchicken> heh
[06:35] <Riddell> hmm, can you really do that for voluntary hours?
[06:35] <Riddell> in general I mean, Ubuntu isn't actually a charity in the US
[06:37] <manchicken> Oh?  I thought it was 503c.
[06:37] <manchicken> My bad.
[06:56] <mhb> abattoir_: hey
[06:57] <mhb> abattoir_: around?
[07:06] <\sh> Riddell: happy new year friend :) could you check out https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arts/+bug/55973 it should  fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/42169 ...
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42169 in wine "winecfg dies when clicking the "Audio" tab" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:51] <mhb> !meeting
[07:51] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[08:03] <manchicken> Meeting is at 2200UTC
[08:03] <Riddell> Lure: wiki says it's this week
[08:04] <Riddell> \sh_away: have you tested that it helps?
[08:19] <Lure> Riddell: true - it is on Thu! :-(
[08:20] <Lure> Riddell: when does the freeze start?
[08:20] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[08:22] <Lure> [20:21]  <Mithrandir> Lure: tomorrow.
[08:27] <toma> ow tomorrow there is also a meeting? great! looking forward to that ;-)
[08:28] <Lure> sebas: seen this proposal: http://hughsient.livejournal.com/11986.html
[08:29] <Lure> sebas: not sure if it makes much sense though (at least not before full kde4 with dbus instead of dcop)
[08:37] <Tonio_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51DyWl_q0c
[08:37] <Tonio_> I know this isn't the purpose, but that's one of the most incredible thing I've seen in my life !
[08:38] <Tonio_> nature is so incredible
[08:39] <mhb> abattoir_: ping
[08:41] <sebas> Lure: current powermanager takes exactly the same amount of clicks to accomplish this
[08:41] <sebas> Not sure how many people want yet another systray icon
[08:41] <sebas> Or isn't this for brightness only?
[08:42] <sebas> Looks like it is
[08:43] <sebas> UTC is CET -1 right?
[08:43] <Lure> sebas: I meant more about dbus interface link: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/gnome-power-manager/trunk/docs/dbus-interface.html
[08:44] <sebas> Lure: Reading
[08:44] <Lure> sebas: btw, I have sent you an e-mail about some refactoring I plan to do tonight and would like to get your feedback first
[08:45] <Lure> sebas: CET-1 or CET-2 - depending on daylight saving
[08:45] <sebas> Lure: I'll read it in a bit
[08:45] <Lure> sebas: ta
[08:48] <Riddell> s/dbus/hal/
[08:49] <sebas> Right
[08:52] <sebas> And it's UTC+1 here
[08:55] <Riddell> Zerlinna: sysadmin made the domain transfer request today
[08:55] <Riddell> Zerlinna: and he just turned up on the kubuntu-events list
[09:07] <sebas> Lure: I've replied
[09:07] <mhb> Jucato: I did add the meeting agenda point
[09:07] <Riddell> Lure: that should be kdebase language installer patch installed now
[09:12] <nixternal> how large is the entire KDE trunk checkout?
[09:15] <Lure> sebas: thanks - so you think that we could just remove list values from .ui and dynamically add items (conditionally) from code with fixed index numbers?
[09:16] <Lure> sebas: I can try that, even though having keywords might be nicer
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: does not work - if index is higher than max, then it is appended - so index is always sequential (no gaps)
[09:20] <Lure> sebas: even worse - if you use too big index, you get
[09:20] <Lure> QComboBox::insertItem: (PoweredIdleCombo) Index 3 out of range
[09:21] <Lure> sebas: will implement keywords...
[09:25] <manchicken> Chocolate and tequila go quite well together.
[09:26] <manchicken> My buddy brought me back some tequila chocolates from his parents' home town in Mexico... quite good.
[09:26] <manchicken> Highest proof candy I've ever had.
[09:30] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell sorry i was afk...
[09:31] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I've seen his mail on kubuntu-events
[09:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: dunno, just a sec
[09:34] <nixternal> i have been checking it out all day i think. i just got my account
[09:34] <ryanakca> nice... you don't need an account to check it out, do you?
[09:34] <ryanakca> (asking in #kde-devel)
[09:35] <sebas> Lure: I agree that having keywords might be nicer, but it also breaks the config
[09:35] <Lure> sebas: will go with option 2 - properly handle old IDs
[09:35] <sebas> Ok, didn't know about the too big index thing (hoped it would be smarter) :-)
[09:35] <nixternal> ryanakca: nah, just to commit
[09:35] <sebas> Ok
[09:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: meh, wouldn't be much use to me at the moment, all of KDE is in C++/Qt iirc
[09:36] <nixternal> and others
[09:36] <nixternal> there is some ruby in there, some c# i think, lots of xml as well :)
[09:39] <ryanakca> lol
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: btw, "Lock screen" in for lid is misleading ;-)
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: it does blank the screen actually (now when we have lock optionally)
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: also notification is "blanking screen"
[09:39] <Lure> sebas: should I change it to "Blank screen"?
[09:39] <ryanakca> looks like a good beginner language and all... and System Settings is coded in python along with most of the Ubuntu/Canonical stuff...
[09:41] <manchicken> What's to learn?
[09:41] <manchicken> system settings is in C++...
[09:41] <ryanakca> hmm... well, rephrase that to a couple modules?
[09:42] <manchicken> kde-systemsettings is C++ with .desktops and ksycoca
[09:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: might want to update your wiki page... looks like you still aren't a member yet :)
[09:42] <Lure> ryanakca: guidance modules are python
[09:43] <nixternal> ya, i need to update it one of these days
[09:43] <manchicken> Don't "try" to learn a language.  Just get in there and make the magic happen ^_^
[09:43] <manchicken> You'll learn along the way.
[09:43] <ryanakca> Lure: that's probably what I'm thinking about
[09:44] <ryanakca> manchicken: my definition of learning is reading a bit from my python book, and then making a small app based on the last chapter I've looked at and looking at the book for reference :)
[09:45] <manchicken> Why make a small app when there are existing apps that you could just work off of?
[09:45] <ryanakca> should I try just downloading a python app and writing stuff in it? (I still haven't gotten to the part on figuring out what classes are)
[09:45] <manchicken> You'll learn faster if you're making small changes to code than if you're writing it all from scratch.
[09:45] <manchicken> Then your examples are all around you.
[09:45] <mhb> ryanakca: if you don't know stuff like classes at all then wait
[09:46] <ryanakca> manchicken: have an example of an existing app I should work on?
[09:46] <manchicken> Ask Riddell for a low priority task in Python.
[09:46] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:46] <manchicken> I'm sure he's got something.
[09:46] <mhb> ryanakca: if you know classes in other languages, it's easy to learn them in Python
[09:46] <ryanakca> kk
[09:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do you have a low priority task in Python? that I can work on now that I'm frustrated with trying to merge keep?
[09:48] <manchicken> What's frustrating you in merging keep?
[09:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: I can bounce you an e-mail with something, what's your address?
[09:49] <ryanakca><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:50] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[09:51] <ryanakca> manchicken: ok, I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Merging . It says to 'less ubuntu.debdiff' . I'm looking at the changes. some of them I have no clue why, or what is happening
[09:51] <manchicken> Then walk through the code and find out.
[09:52] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:52] <ryanakca> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), cdbs, kdelibs4-dev, docbook2x, automake1.9         should be the same in both packages... however it doesn't appear to be so
[09:52] <manchicken> Maybe go skim mailing lists, etc.
[09:52] <ryanakca> the ubuntu one has more dependencies than debian
[09:52] <ryanakca> kk
[09:52] <mhb> ryanakca: by the way, I hope you're going to use another email address from now on ... wish you good luck :o)
[09:52] <manchicken> That might just be that ubuntu is tighter than debian ;)
[09:53] <ryanakca> lol
[09:53] <manchicken> heh
[09:53] <manchicken> That's right.
[09:53] <manchicken> There are web logs of the channel.
[09:53] <manchicken> heh
[09:53] <manchicken> Let the spamming... BEGIN.
[09:53] <ryanakca> mhb: meh, GMail has a good spam filter, and if anything gets threw, I have spamassassin
[09:53] <mhb> ryanakca: I don't think you understood what I meant
[09:54] <ryanakca> manchicken: my email is already on the web, REVU has it :)
[09:54] <ryanakca> mhb: ?
[09:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: e-mail sent
[09:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: kk, ty
[09:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: chances are nothing actually needs merged for keep, it probably is fine with a sync from debian.  what other build-deps do we have?
[09:55] <mhb> ryanakca: if you were accepted as a member you could consider to use another email address .o) that's what I meant
[09:55] <ryanakca> mhb: oh, lol, thanks :)
[09:55] <manchicken> Are you all handing out ubuntu addys?
[09:55] <ryanakca> and hour and 5 minutes
[09:56] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[09:56] <manchicken> heh
[09:56] <sebas> Lure: Hm, I think it's lock screen, still.
[09:56] <Riddell> members get addresses
[09:56] <sebas> blank screen doesn't make sense when lid is closed - you can't see it.
[09:56] <manchicken> What does it mean to be a "member"?
[09:56] <manchicken> And a member of what?
[09:56] <Lure> sebas: it saves battery
[09:56] <manchicken> Some secretive kubuntu kult?
[09:56] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:56] <ryanakca> lol
[09:56] <ryanakca> wiki, just a sec
[09:56] <Lure> sebas: locking is just optional feature of actions
[09:57] <Riddell> manchicken: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewMemberHowto
[09:57] <Riddell> manchicken: we'll be reviewing new members at the meeting in an hour
[09:58] <ryanakca> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NewDevelopersAndMaintainers
[09:58] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you think I should put anything in there?
[09:58] <manchicken> I'm not sure I have made a "significant" contribution yet.  heh
[09:59] <manchicken> I pretend to have done so, but in reality I don't believe I have.
[09:59] <Riddell> manchicken: we usually ask for a couple months of contributions before going for membership, look in on the meeting tonight and if you want go for it at future meeting
[10:00] <manchicken> Does that disqualify me from participating in anything, or does it just mean I don't get the nifty addy?
[10:00] <sebas> Lure: Hm, right, blanking is useful for the idletime thing, although that is screensaver's task in principle
[10:00] <manchicken> I don't really care if there's no real impact on what I want to do ^_^
[10:00] <Riddell> manchicken: doesn't disqualify you from anything except uploading to the archive
[10:00] <manchicken> I'm happy with my notsosoft email ^_^
[10:00] <manchicken> Oh.
[10:00] <Lure> sebas: true - we are overlaping with Display module too (DPMS settings)
[10:00] <Riddell> manchicken: (which means going to tech board after membership)
[10:00] <manchicken> In that case, I'd prefer to let you be my shit umbrella for the time being ^_^
[10:01] <Riddell> manchicken: but only members get the @kubuntu.org addresses
[10:01] <manchicken> I'm okay with that.
[10:01] <manchicken> As long as I still get to participate in the development and direction if I had an idea that didn't suck.
[10:01] <Lure> sebas: issue is that it depends for lid: if I have it docked with lid closed, then if I blank in clone mode - I do not see external monitor; this is where do noting makes sense
[10:02] <Riddell> manchicken: certainly, membership is mostly just a badge to say you've been helping for a while
[10:03] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:03] <manchicken> Makes sense.
[10:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... can't seem to find it...
[10:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: find what?
[10:03] <sebas> Lure: Aye, didn't think of such a case
[10:03] <ryanakca> the email?
[10:04] <ryanakca> wait, nevermind...
[10:04] <ryanakca> hmm... GMail thought it was spam...
[10:04] <Riddell> damnit gmail, I am not spam
[10:04] <nixternal> lol
[10:04] <ryanakca> lol
[10:04] <nixternal> Riddell: nice new section as well == blah == :)
[10:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, classes make up modules or something of the sort, and they can then be imported?
[10:11] <mhb> ryanakca: if you don't know classes, read the book :o)
[10:12] <ryanakca> lol
[10:12] <mhb> ryanakca: it's quite easy to learn a new programming language by doing, if you know the basics (of programming)
[10:24] <manchicken> I've heard rumors of the existence of a glade-to-qt-designer proggy out there.
[10:24] <manchicken> anybody know of such an animal?
[10:28] <Lure> Riddell, sebas: what are good defaults for powermanager actions (need to be flexible, depending on what HW supports) - I suggest:
[10:29] <Lure> CriticalBattery: hibernate, suspend, shutdown
[10:29] <Lure> PoweredIdle: nothing
[10:29] <Lure> BatteryIdle: suspend, hibernate, nothing
[10:29] <Lure> LidClose: blank
[10:29] <mhb> I've made some mockup images for my Kmilo pop-up agenda point. Check them out if you want: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinB%c3%b6hm/Meetings/KmiloPopup
[10:30] <Lure> Riddell, sebas are you ok with this?
[10:30] <ryanakca> Lure: The average user doesn't know the difference between suspend and hibernate,  do they? unless you put a little 'alt' tag when you put your mouse over it...
[10:30] <Lure> ryanakca: it is just order in case if HW does not support something
[10:30] <fdoving> Lure: does hibernation work out of the box on lots of laptops?
[10:31] <Lure> fdoving: yes, and if it does not you can disable it in powermanager config
[10:31] <fdoving> .. my laptop can go to hibernation-sleep just fine, but it doesn't weak up.
[10:31] <ryanakca> same here... well, my mom's is like that
[10:31] <fdoving> Lure: ok. would like some sane defaults that does something that works by default. and let the user select something more 'advanced'.
[10:32] <ryanakca> mhb: ooh, I particularly like the last one on that page
[10:32] <Lure> fdoving: yes, you are right - probably "nothing" then, maybe only for CriticalBattery
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: but the only safe one is shutdown (on critical battery)
[10:33] <fdoving> Lure: maybe 'if nothing is selected by the user' -> popup and ask?
[10:33] <Lure> fdoving: they get warning twice, so they should do it manually
[10:34] <fdoving> Lure: i agree. that's the safe one. however, shutdown will kill open-not-saved documents. hibernate/suspend -might- save your work if it works.
[10:34] <fdoving> Lure: well.. some users might ignore the warnings.. or not know what to do about it.
[10:34] <allee> [22:32]  <pusling> allee: ..and you can ask hobbsee to pull kommando from experimental if she cares.
[10:34] <Lure> fdoving: it looks like "nothing" is the best choice (safest)
[10:35] <Lure> fdoving: if they own laptop and do not know what to do on critical battery level, then we cannot help them ;-)
[10:35] <fdoving> Lure: i'd say 'shutdown'. it stops some services and syncs the devices.
[10:36] <fdoving> atleast that syncs unwritten data to the disk.
[10:36] <fdoving> 'nothing' leaves it running empty and just die.
[10:37] <Lure> fdoving: true that, but it is very drastic operation...
[10:37] <mhb> nothing's the best
[10:37] <mhb> IMO
[10:37] <fdoving> Lure: to shutdown when the battery is very very close to empty?
[10:37] <fdoving> i'd say that is sane.
[10:37] <mhb> because on my machine the information are not quite correct
[10:37] <Lure> mhb: right, but I still need to put something in ;-)
[10:37] <fdoving> mhb: that's a good point.
[10:38] <Lure> fdoving: if I think again, we should trust HAL - if it claims suspend/hibernate is supported, we should use it
[10:39] <Lure> fdoving: that way users will at least report bugs ;-)
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: yes, good point.
[10:39] <fdoving> Lure: atleast something is better than nothing.
[10:39] <mhb> Lure: I think users want a system that work, not report bugs
[10:39] <mhb> Lure: s/work/works
[10:39] <Lure> fdoving: I still think that we should to nothing on idle (battery or powered) - play it safe here...
[10:40] <Lure> fdoving: and most users may probably hate idle actions anyhow...
[10:40] <sebas> Lure: Does the blank unblank if lid is opened?
[10:40] <mhb> Lure: if it works worse when we trust HAL (even just in some cases), I'd say don't trust it too much
[10:40] <sebas> It looks all good though
[10:40] <fdoving> Lure: i agree. nothing on idle.
[10:40] <Lure> sebas: I think so
[10:40] <sebas> (It's actually pretty much what I've set it to do, so you won't break _my_ config ;-))
[10:41] <Lure> ok, so we will have:
[10:42] <sebas> I'd say use what HAL provides and have bugs fixed in HAL (also black / whitelists)
[10:42] <sebas> The whole idea of HAL is to have it in one place
[10:42] <Lure> CriticalBattery: hibernate, suspend, nothing (in this order dependant on HW)
[10:42] <manchicken> Anybody have any idea how to convert glade to designer without manually creating it in designer?
[10:42] <Lure> Idle: nothing
[10:42] <Lure> Lid: blank
[10:43] <sebas> CriticalBattery hibernate, shutdown (suspend might crash just a couple of minutes later, or not be able to resume
[10:43] <manchicken> (glade 2.0 that is)
[10:43] <sebas> shutdown at least keeps the filesystem from breaking
[10:44] <sebas> And hibernate doesn't need any power while suspended
[10:44] <Lure> sebas: ok, will do hibernate, shutdown then
[10:44] <sebas> ok
[10:45] <mhb> I fear HAL does not work well on a lot of machines ... so it may result into more users complaining about Kubuntu
[10:45] <mhb> which is not exactly the desired result
[10:46] <mhb> and another thing: is this the same thing that Ubuntu desktop does when battery is critical/lid is closed-opened ? We should keep that consistent.
[10:46] <sebas> Why should we keep that consistent?
[10:47] <sebas> I see a point in keeping the safest settings, though.
[10:48] <mhb> a) because we're not a separate system b) because they must have had this discussion before
[10:48] <Lure> mhb: I think it is the same as gnome/ubuntu
[10:48] <sebas> mhb: We are a separate system, as to b) they have different target users, so their decision is based off different assumptions
[10:49] <mhb> sebas: no, we're not
[10:49] <sebas> I'm all for 'makes most sense' rather than 'gnome does'
[10:49] <sebas> mhb: Arguable, why do users choose Kubuntu then? :>
[10:49] <mhb> sebas: UI != system
[10:49] <sebas> Well, defaults are in the UI
[10:50] <mhb> sebas: yes, arguable :o) but that's not my point
[10:50] <sebas> I'm with you on safest is best
[10:51] <sebas> But I'm not with you that we should do whatever GNOME does, I'd say let's do what makes most sense to us
[10:51] <mhb> sebas: what I think is that they are a larger development team, and we both solve this particular problem for the common user
[10:51] <mhb> sebas: so hearing their arguments could help
[10:51] <sebas> I don't think they're a larger development team
[10:52] <toma> meeting takes place in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[10:52] <ryanakca> yep
[10:52] <sebas> toma: y
[10:52] <Tonio_> toma: yup
[10:52] <fdoving> we can have a look at what gnome does, but if it doesn't make sense for us, we must do something else. if we don't we're doomed.
[10:52] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:52] <mhb> if their solution is totally wrong then we should do something different, I agree
[10:53] <Riddell> ** meeting in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:53] <ryanakca> if it worked, might as well take what works, but no point making the same mistake twice if they're methode didn't work
[10:53] <ryanakca> *method*
[10:53] <mhb> but I guess it's not ... but before we can decide that, we should hear their arguments and think about them
[10:53] <mhb> a good thing is that this decision is easy to change
[10:54] <mhb> so we can decide now and finetune later in the development cycle, am I correct?
[10:55] <sebas> Not quite, you don't want to change the behaviour every week
[10:55] <sebas> If I rely on my machine going to hibernate, I don't want it after an upgrade to just plain shutdown
[10:55] <sebas> That's asking for dataloss.
[10:56] <sebas> And of course the other way round with suddenly switching on a suspend mode that doesn't work and freezes the system
[10:56] <manchicken> I find that suspend and all of that works just fine as long as I'm not using binary drivers.
[10:56] <fdoving> .. but that's kinda HALs problem, if it reports suspening to work.. and it doesn't..
[10:57] <manchicken> ATI's binary gfx drivers disrupt my system greatly.
[10:57] <mhb> fdoving: no arguing about that
[10:57] <Lure> manchicken: suspend/hibernate is not supported by ubuntu team if you use binary drivers
[10:57] <manchicken> The nvidia ones seem to be less so, but still not good.
[10:57] <manchicken> Lure: I never use binary drivers ;)
[10:58] <manchicken> I'm far too much of an FSF zealot for that ^_^
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: but we still cannot presume it's 100% working
[10:58] <fdoving> Lure: i don't use binary drivers but that's interessting.
[10:58] <mhb> fdoving: better - we should make sure everything works even if it doesn't work on 100%
[10:58] <manchicken> I would think there'd be a variety of unsupported functionality when using non-free drivers.
[10:58] <pinheiro> heay all
[10:59] <mhb> fdoving: everything = KDE settings, it = HAL
[10:59] <fdoving> mhb: well.. we most rely on some info. it's not like we can wait till everything is perfect.
[10:59] <Lure> pinheiro: hi
[10:59] <Lure> pinheiro: could you (or kwwii) make one icon for powermanager
[11:00] <pinheiro> one more?
[11:00] <Lure> pinheiro: ac-adapter one is old style (not the one from uds-mtv)
[11:00] <pinheiro> wre is it?
[11:00] <Lure> it is in playground/guidance/powermanager/icons/
[11:01] <Lure> pinheiro: there are .svg for other icons, but this one does not match others
[11:01] <Lure> pinheiro: ac-adapter.png
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: it's not a decision that will make the system twice as usable, though
[11:01] <mhb> fdoving: so we can wait with this one
[11:01] <Lure> ups, meeting time...
[11:01] <pinheiro> can you send me an emils with taht stuf
[11:01] <Hobbsee> morning all
[11:01] <pinheiro> i will see what i can do about it
[11:02] <pinheiro> morning Hobbsee
[11:02] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:02] <pinheiro><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:11] <Lure> pinheiro: will do after meeting or tommorow (with Cc to kwwii) - it is no urgency
[11:11] <pinheiro> oki
[11:11] <pinheiro> cool
[11:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you have a blog?!?! :O
[11:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes, but there's nothing in it
[11:18] <Jucato> heheh :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:18] <mhb> Hobbsee: when you add something share the link with us :o)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> mhb: i think it's hobbsee.blogspot.com
[11:20] <Jucato> you think?
[11:20] <Jucato> :O
[11:22] <Jucato> ryanakca: http://developernew.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Programming_Tutorial_KDE_4
[11:22] <ryanakca> Jucato: ty
[11:22] <Jucato> heh you're up next, I think :P
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: let the grilling begin :P
[11:23] <ryanakca> eeeps!
[11:28] <Jucato> marinate, grill, then eat! :)
[11:28] <manchicken> KDE4 is nice.
[11:28] <manchicken> Qt4 obsoleted some stuff that I disagreed with though.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:35] <Jucato> is there a sort of "tour" of Launchpad's features? Including Malone and Bzr?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> not yet
[11:36] <Jucato> ah... it is definitely in need of one :)
[11:37] <Jucato> from #kubuntu <silya> Hi all! There is many mistakes in russian translation in kubuntu 6.10 :/ Who coordiantes it?
[11:37] <Jucato> is there an i18n team? or is it covered by the doc team?
[11:38] <manchicken> Damnit, I'm gonna have to just recreate this UI in designer.
[11:39] <Jucato> manchicken: have fun :)
[11:39] <manchicken> Yeah.  Keep laughin' ;)
[11:39] <Jucato> I ain't laughing
[11:39] <Jucato> just jeering you on
[11:39] <Jucato> er.. cheering
[11:39] <manchicken> if (sys.user == "jucato"): sys.exit(1) ;)
[11:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:40] <Jucato> at least you know how to use desginer...
[11:40] <manchicken> True.
[11:40] <manchicken> That doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer to have a converter though.
[11:42] <nixternal> ryanakca: i swore you were a member beceause you are on the Kubuntu Team, I thought the Kubuntu Team was the next step, that's why I applied back in August
[11:42] <nixternal> shows you how much i know
[11:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: heh, nope
[11:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: kubuntu team is just a team to subscribe bug reports to, iirc
[11:43] <ryanakca> lol
[11:43] <nixternal> heh, im subscribed to all boogs already
[11:57] <imbrandon> bah
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heya imbrandon
[11:57] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[11:58] <Jucato> moin imbrandon!
[11:58] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
[11:58] <mhb> Lure: how can you trigger the amarok pop-up?
[11:59] <Lure> mhb: play a song
[11:59] <Lure> mhb: it displays song info
[11:59] <imbrandon> uninstall
[11:59] <imbrandon> err
[11:59] <imbrandon> brb
[11:59] <imbrandon> steam on linux == developers worst dream
[11:59] <ryanakca> steam?
[12:00] <imbrandon> game purchaing service
[12:02] <Jucato> nixternal: would CustomizeKubuntu be a good title for the guide I made or ThemingKubuntu or something else? (they title the KDE version of the guide as customize-desktop)
[12:03] <nixternal> they both work
[12:03] <Jucato> heh ok :)
[12:03] <imbrandon> Customize works better imho
[12:03] <imbrandon> bbiab , halo time
[12:04] <Jucato> imbrandon: you ain't attending the meeting?
[12:04] <nixternal> nice, one osd for all
[12:04] <imbrandon> its not today is it ?
[12:04] <nixternal> no
[12:04] <nixternal> huh
[12:04] <nixternal> ya
[12:04] <nixternal> lol
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's on now
[12:04] <nixternal> imbrandon: we are in it now
[12:04] <nixternal> lol
[12:04] <Jucato> :)
[12:04] <imbrandon> jesus, how many times did it change days
[12:04] <nixternal> 4 or 5 easily ;p
[12:04] <Jucato> 3 times I think...
[12:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, soryr :(
[12:05] <Jucato> oh worse :P
[12:06] <Jucato> imbrandon: hm.. ok CustomizeKubuntu it is :)
[12:08] <Jucato> manchicken: afaik, K3b's and amarok's OSD's are not similar
[12:08] <manchicken> Ack, you're right.  It's just konversation and amarok that are similar.
[12:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're sick? :(
[12:09] <Jucato> yep. looks like it
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm slightly hypoglycaemic - it's hitting
[12:09] <Jucato> ouch...
[12:09] <Hobbsee> been goign to work too much again
[12:10] <seaLne> Tonio_: in what way? changelog etc you mean?
[12:10] <seaLne> k
[12:11] <Lure> pinheiro, kwwii: what is the name of info and warning icon in kde3? I thought messagebox_info/warn, but does not have warn in crystal...
[12:12] <pinheiro> lure check hicolor
[12:14] <Lure> pinheiro: nothing useful there... :-( and messagebox_info is only in oxygen I use currently
[12:15] <pinheiro> im now working on the core action icons so probly tomorow i will come to that one


[11:34] <bac> hello
[11:44] <frankban> hi bac
[12:05] <gmb> gary_poster, Maybe you'll know... what's the magic juju (haha) to make buildbot run everything in a single worker?
[12:06] <gary_poster> gmb, you mean devel and db-devel at once?  that's the branch that's been sitting in the review lane for three or four work days now
[12:06] <gary_poster> you need slave and master
[12:06] <gary_poster> getting for you
[12:06] <gmb> gary_poster, No, I mean instead of having worker-0 through worker-n, I want to run everything on one worker.
[12:06] <gmb> (Still trying to work out WTH we need to do, if anything, with zope.testing, or whether the change actually needs to go somewhere else).
[12:07] <gmb> I could do this locally, ideally, just running the test suite with --subunit. But it invariably OOMs on my VM.
[12:07] <gmb> (Well, it's LXC, so a VM inside a VM)
[12:08] <gary_poster> gmb, so...do you want to do that via testr, or via bin/test?  for the first, you need to hack testr because there is no way to specify that in the command line right now
[12:08] <gary_poster> for the second, bin/test --subunit --load-test, yeah
[12:08] <gary_poster> so you want to know the hack?
[12:08] <gmb> Please.
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb call in 2
[12:09] <bac> ok
[12:10] <gary_poster> gmb /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/testrepository/testcommand.py
[12:10] <gary_poster> gmb, make local_concurrency return 1
[12:10] <gmb> haha.
[12:11] <gmb> gary_poster, Thanks. That's... Obvious, yet a little icky.
[12:11] <gary_poster> gmb bac benji https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e8bf9fb9963993b7fa97e411b308785983a0c1ca
[12:35] <bac> gary_poster: ???
[12:55] <gmb> bac, So, I'm grabbing lunch and will ping you when I return; ~1h or so.
[12:55] <bac> gmb: sounds good
[12:56] <bac> garyposter: so the --load-list branch, land now or wait until you discuss with robert?
[13:12] <garyposter> bac, now pls
[13:12] <bac> garyposter: ok.  i just sent it off to 'ec2 test'.  i'll land it when that succeeds
[13:12] <garyposter> cool sounds good
[13:17] <garyposter> frankban, when would you like to talk about lpsetup?
[13:18] <frankban> garyposter: when you want, and now is ok
[13:20] <garyposter> benji, I made a bad estimate, I'm sorry.  I won't be ready for a bit.  I have two possible suggestions on how to handle that.  One is for you to have an hour or so while I do my other tasks.  Is that OK with you?   Apologies for the delay; I got pung by mysterious persons at Millbank.
[14:34] <bac> gmb: ok.  i'm presently fighting with ec2.  just a sec
[14:34] <gmb> bac, Sure, no rush.
[14:39] <bac> gmb: you want to start a hangout?
[14:40] <gmb> Sure
[14:40] <bac> gmb: we can use tb too, if you have it set up
[14:40] <gmb> Sounds like a plan to me.
[14:40] <bac> my jabber is brad.crittenden@gmail
[14:41] <gmb> bac, I just invited you to chat on gmail... working on the hangout.
[14:59] <gary_poster> gmb, no longer at Millbank, right? :-)
[14:59]  * gary_poster struggles to remember name of new location
[14:59] <gmb> gary_poster, Still at Millbank until Thurs.
[14:59] <gmb> Then off to Blue Fin.
[14:59] <gary_poster> ah ok
[14:59] <gary_poster> right
[15:03] <gary_poster> benji, status update: finished one call.  still remaining: working thought 600+ emails (sounds worse than it is, hopefully), writing email to Robert about duplicate test names.  Should we have a call about the problems so you can look at them, and then have me leave you alone at it for just a bit while I work on the other things, or should we wait on me to be done?  (Note that I'm somewhat concerned that a lesson
[15:03] <gary_poster>  may need to be "Gary should never start a blocking card by himself, because his attention is usually not focused enough."
[15:03] <gary_poster> )
[15:04] <gary_poster> If you still are being productive, this will turn into a "let's meet after lunch" timeframe
[15:04] <benji> gary_poster: I'm good either way.  I discovered some untested code and I'm busily mining that.
[15:04] <benji> post-lunch is good with me
[15:05] <gary_poster> cool benji, thanks & enjoy
[15:05] <benji> sounds good
[15:20] <gmb> bac, http://ubuntuone.com/4eFwwT1LOn8iRPIDHTbYAb
[16:35] <bac> benji: gmb and i could not get tb to work.  if you have time this afternoon could we try?
[16:35] <benji> bac: I'm available now.
[16:36] <bac> benji: even if it doesn't work, i like the new --create-auth option.  it fails now with much less typing!
[16:36] <benji> high praise ;)
[16:36] <bac> benji: ok, let's try.  you want to send?
[16:37] <benji> bac: let me update real quick
[16:41] <benji> bac: I'm sending now.
[16:41] <bac> benji: do i have to auth chat again?
[16:42] <bac> i see a window -- blank
[16:42] <benji> bac: you shouldn't; I've never seen it do that (I created a fake gmail account so I can talk to myself, don't tell G**gle)
[16:42] <benji> bac: have you updated recently?
[16:42] <bac> benji: yes.
[16:42] <benji> hrm
[16:43] <bac> oh
[16:43] <bac> now i see it
[16:43] <bac> works
[16:43] <benji> hmm, there might be a bug
[16:43] <bac> when trying with gmb it opened a tiny window with no conten
[16:43] <gmb> benji, For me, it just died silently.
[16:43] <bac> ok, killing it
[16:43] <benji> yeah, the expected behavior is that the tiny window will almost immediately expand and display the contents
[16:44] <benji> bac: did you see me type a question in the terminal?
[16:44] <bac> maybe.  i saw three lines of text
[16:44] <bac> do you want me to try again?
[16:44] <benji> not yet, I'll run some tests with my fake account and see if I can reproduce the problem
[16:45] <bac> ok
[17:35] <gary_poster> bac, hi.  I feel that I'm forgetting an argument as to why duplicate test names should be fine.  here's what I have so far.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1013362/  Can you think of anything else?  I think you gave me another one.
[18:46] <bac> gary_poster: didn't see your ping.  looking now
[18:47] <gary_poster> thx
[19:08] <gary_poster> bac, I had another exciting hang on the system 76. :-/  did I miss anything you said?  Last I saw, you said you were going to look at what I had pasted
[19:09] <bac> i was going to reply but noticed your absence
[19:09] <bac> what you wrote looks ok.  i did some quick tests and came up with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1013506/
[19:10] <bac> it shows that testr does get the count wrong.  the results in .testrepository show that the faqc test is run three times
[19:10] <bac> gary_poster: my branch is still trying to land.  multiple unrelated (i'm sure) problems getting through ec2
[19:11] <gary_poster> ok bac, thanks
[19:11] <bac> gary_poster: sorry my findings aren't more supportive
[19:12] <bac> you can always forget to mention them.  :)
[19:12] <gary_poster> bac, lol, no, that seems pretty much in line with what I was already saying. :-)
[19:12] <gary_poster> thanks
[19:17] <bac> gary_poster: i just added swap + vacation for next thursday and friday in canonicalpoo.com
[19:17] <gary_poster> heh
[19:17] <gary_poster> ok going to approve
[19:18] <gary_poster> benji, I didn't forget, but one thing led to another, as it often does, and now Francis would like to have his call early.  If you don't mind, I'd like to have a call with you afterwards, to either fix this or hand it off to you
[19:18] <benji> surprisingly canonicalpoo.com is available
[19:18] <benji> gary_poster: sounds good
[19:18] <gary_poster> thanks
[19:18] <gary_poster> lol
[19:19] <bac> benji: :)  -- i have a few vanity domains but don't think i'll pick that one up
[19:19] <gary_poster> lol
[19:19] <benji> would it be too harsh a statement to register it and point it to canonicaladmin.com? ;)
[19:19] <gary_poster> mwa ha ha ha
[19:19] <bac> i think i'll accomplish the same for free via /etc/hosts hacking
[19:20] <gary_poster> bac, oh poo
[19:21] <gary_poster> bac, please doublecheck that your swap day request was not for the following month
[19:21] <gary_poster> I don't think it was
[19:21] <gary_poster> but I just had paranoia after I clicked that I saw the wrong date go flying by
[19:23] <bac> gary_poster: it shows 08/06/2012 - 08/06/2012, which is the UK's stupid way of saying June 8
[19:23] <gary_poster> Cool thanks bac
[19:23] <gary_poster> approved both bac
[19:23] <bac> i mean !US
[19:45]  * bac afk for a bit.  bbl
[20:36] <gary_poster> benji, good news: flacoste told me to delete the card. :-) deleted
[20:37] <benji> gary_poster: that's hilarious
[20:37] <gary_poster> yes, in a sad kind of way :-P :-)
[20:37] <benji> tears of a clown
[20:37] <gary_poster> lol
[20:50] <gary_poster> bac (or anyone else), if I wanted to have a support ticket to get something on my computer working, what would I do?
[20:52] <gary_poster> Ah, founf it
[20:52] <gary_poster> fund
[20:52] <gary_poster> found!
[20:53] <benji> gary_poster: I hope they can help you.  You really need to get that keyboard fixed.
[20:54] <gary_poster> benji :-P even worse, I apparently need a new set of fingers'
[20:54] <benji> :)
[21:05] <bac> gary_poster: what did you find?  just going to #canonical-support?
[21:07] <gary_poster> bac, I found https://wiki.canonical.com/CanonicalUbuntuSupport .  I asked on that channel, to crickets.  I've tried to log in to Landscape per that wiki page but I do not have an account.  I've sent an email requesting one, and...that's the end of the line for now, I think.
[21:07] <bac> wha? no landscape?  how do you survive?
[21:07] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:08]  * bac has about 7 machines with landscape in lots of places
[21:08] <gary_poster> huh
[21:08]  * gary_poster has one machine running Ubuntu :-)
[21:08] <gary_poster> well, two for now
[21:09] <bac> hanoi office, web server, ibiblio, home server, home kvm, lappie
[21:09] <gary_poster> until I can retire my old Mac and return it to OS X service to Karyn
[21:13] <gary_poster> night all


[00:54] <bkerensa> cjohnston: http://devxdev.com/utv <-- Ubuntu TV :)
[00:55] <cjohnston> you should buy me one
[00:59] <bkerensa> cjohnston: lol ;p
[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[06:43] <nigelb> Morning dholbach
[06:43] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[06:43] <nigelb> How was your WE?
[06:46] <dholbach> great - how was yours? :)
[06:49] <nigelb> Not bad. Managed to survive :D
[06:49] <nigelb> Kinda tiring
[07:08] <jussi> anyone know of a tool like trello, but that I can run locally?
[07:15] <popey> jussi, https://github.com/oo7ph/Trello-Clone/ ?
[07:30] <jussi> popey: that doesnt seem to be quite what Im lookign for... unless I understand incorrectly
[07:30] <popey> dunno, was something I saw when I looked for a free trello
[07:30] <popey> was a link i had in my remembered browser thingy
[07:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:01] <jussi> morning czajkowski
[08:06] <czajkowski> jussi: hey how was the kde event
[08:06] <jussi> czajkowski: Akademy was good - although I didnt have much time there
[08:06] <jussi> just about 6 or 7 hours
[08:07] <jussi> was wonderful to catch up with people
[11:55] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:09] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:18] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:18] <jono> sorry dholbach, can you give me a few mins
[15:18] <dholbach> sure
[15:18] <jono> dholbach, been delayed
[15:30] <jono> dholbach, ok, all set?
[15:30] <jono> dholbach, sorry for the delay
[15:30] <dholbach> sure
[15:31] <dholbach> let's go
[15:32] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/99ab3d466071d33660653d33212e1dfafa4a14e5?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:47] <balloons> jcastrim askubuntu.com seems broken on the ff beta in quantal
[15:48] <balloons> jcastro, ^^
[15:49] <mhall119> balloons: isn't it more likely that the beta browser in the alpha release is the one that is broken?
[15:49] <balloons> mhall119, NEVER!
[15:49] <balloons> :-)
[15:51] <jcastro> heh
[15:51] <jcastro> not much I can do about that balloons
[16:06] <balloons> jcastro, you can't fix my broken software ;-(
[16:11] <jcastro> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/gwoffice-integrates-google-docs-with-the-ubuntu-desktop
[16:11] <jcastro> this is the coolest submission so far imo
[16:16] <balloons> jcastro, that's awesome
[17:01] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[17:03] <mhall119> jono: yup
[17:03] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/6eab3c48f940de3385ac9b73a101a45ecf7c0689?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[17:03] <mhall119> w 48
[17:04] <dholbach> alright my friends - time to call it a day
[17:04] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:04] <cjohnston> g'nite dholbach
[17:04] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:40] <jussi> jono: congratulations... I think I am now officially worried about what the poor little un will
[17:40] <jussi> b ecome :P
[17:42] <jono> thanks jussi! :-)
[17:42] <jussi> hehe, in all serious, congratulations and I hope it all goes well :)
[18:30] <jono> balloons, about set?
[18:30] <balloons> indeed
[18:32] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d6dcfb382049488901955b9ff4411a42f8b4ff5a?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[19:03] <IdleOne> I'm curious, jono posts the links to the google hangouts. Does that mean anybody is welcome to join in/listen in?
[19:03] <cjohnston> I was thinkin the same thing
[19:03] <jono> IdleOne, no, these are private meetings
[19:03] <IdleOne> I see.
[19:03] <IdleOne> shame.
[19:04] <jono> IdleOne, I keep my 1-on-1 calls with the team private so we are free discuss any matters
[19:04] <IdleOne> it would be interesting to sit in, without interrupting of course, to a team meeting sometime
[19:04] <jono> IdleOne, sure, maybe we can do this for one of our Wed meetings
[19:05] <jono> our team meetings
[19:05] <jcastro> \o/
[19:05] <jcastro> insta-transparency via google hangouts, ftw.
[19:05] <IdleOne> jono: understandable, there may be subjects that you or one of the team does not want public.
[19:05] <jono> jcastro, well, yes and no
[19:05] <jono> transparency is always good, but sometimes a team needs to bond in a private environment
[19:05] <cjohnston> it has to render so it's semi-insta  hehe
[19:05] <jono> which is the purpose of the wed meetings
[19:05] <jono> the Tues IRC meetings are the public meetings
[19:05] <cjohnston> what you guys do in private....
[19:06] <jono> cjohnston, we talk about various things
[19:06] <jono> often company-confidential content
[19:06] <cjohnston> not where I was headed :-P
[19:06] <jono> team-related stuff etc
[19:06] <jcastro> jono: right, I meant withing reason, we should certainly keep my getting yelled at private
[19:06] <jcastro> :p
[19:06] <jono> lulz
[19:06] <jono> CASTRO!
[19:06] <jono> CASTRO!
[19:06] <jono> STOP IT!
[19:06] <jono> :-)
[19:06] <cjohnston> maybe do the tuesday meetings on hangouts on air so that we can see faces, give your updates, and then answer any questions that come from irc
[19:06] <jcastro> "LOL I CAN PIPE DEADMAUS RIGHT INTO THE MEETING."
[19:07] <IdleOne> jono: I would expect that a public team meeting would be somewhat homogenized :)
[19:07] <snap-l> Nah, I think you all should do the meetings completely in public
[19:07] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah that's exactly what I want to do, but some people like IRC.
[19:07] <jono> cjohnston, I would prefer that
[19:07] <jcastro> some people who are old school
[19:07] <jono> personally I don't like IRC meetings
[19:07] <jcastro> and I wouldn't want to shame their old school ness
[19:07] <jcastro> his name is Daniel
[19:07] <snap-l> so people can realize there's a lot of boring shit that occurs during these meetings that they really don't care about.
[19:07] <jono> snap-l, indeed
[19:07] <cjohnston> we do ours on air, but we don't do the 'live ask questions part'
[19:07]  * jcastro shoves dholbach under a bus
[19:07] <pleia2> it's tricky to grep through hangouts afterwards to find thing ;)
[19:07] <pleia2> things
[19:08] <jono> pleia2, this is true
[19:08] <jono> the logging of IRC is handy
[19:08] <IdleOne> jono: so why not do the irc meeting in hangout and record it, that way the logs can still be published
[19:08] <snap-l> Just have jono do a transcription. ;)
[19:08] <cjohnston> well, someone could post on their blog the hangout
[19:08] <jono> I wonder whether the team member summaries are particularly useful
[19:08] <jcastro> hmm
[19:08] <jcastro> hey
[19:08] <jono> IdleOne, eh?
[19:08] <IdleOne> ah, pleia2 answered my question
[19:08] <cjohnston> to an extent..
[19:08] <jcastro> how about, video for the meeting, but publishing notes for grepness
[19:08] <IdleOne> that sounds good too
[19:08] <jono> jcastro, who will write the notes?
[19:09] <jono> jcastro, well volunteered!
[19:09] <pleia2> humans aren't so good at writing meeting notes
[19:09] <jcastro> haha
[19:09]  * IdleOne goes back to idle
[19:09] <jono> pleia2, agreed
[19:09] <jcastro> I'm much better at taking notes than pasting in IRC sentences
[19:09] <cjohnston> jono: you mis-wrote your sentence as a question, "jcastro will write the notes"
[19:09] <jono> put it this way, I am not writing meeting notes, if you want to do it, jcastro, go ahead :-)
[19:09] <jono> cjohnston, :-)
[19:09] <cjohnston> I'd rather read not so good human written notes than IRC logs
[19:09] <pleia2> IRC meetings (or notes) I can skim through at work, if everything moves to hangouts I'll neer watch the videos (can't do it quickly, can't do it at work)
[19:09] <jcastro> hey, all my TODO is public, I have a living notetaker
[19:10] <jono> maybe the community can take notes?
[19:10] <jono> so we do the hangout and others can take notes?
[19:10] <jono> the team will busy enough preparing their summaries without taking notes
[19:10] <cjohnston> I think notes would quicly fall away..
[19:10] <IdleOne> agreed ^
[19:10] <jono> cjohnston, very possibly
[19:10] <jcastro> I am wondering if people even read the existing notes
[19:10] <jcastro> I wouldn't
[19:11] <jcastro> "jorge and jono arguing about metal, daniel rolls eyes."
[19:11] <cjohnston> maybe make the summaries the notes.. same thing as IRC, but slightly different... then maybe if there are important questions that get asked, add them
[19:11] <jcastro> right, more of a summary than a point for point.
[19:11] <jcastro> "The team talked about the app contest at 4:45 into the discussion. Main points, foo, bar, baz."
[19:11] <cjohnston> compiling all of the summaries wouldn't be too much work
[19:11] <jono> I like the idea of doing hangouts
[19:12] <jono> and I think of folks can take note and publish them for the community then this will work
[19:12] <jono> if the community cares about notes, then I am sure our community can self organize to take them
[19:12] <balloons> jono et la, people do this for podcasts quite successfully
[19:12] <jono> particularly if G+ is considered more interesting than IRC
[19:12] <pleia2> mhall119: I'm going to be out of town this week (actually leave tuesday night, but super busy until then), can you join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage when you have the schedule for workshops available and nudge people to get it added to the calendar?
[19:12] <jono> also, we would still record the hangouts on youtube
[19:12] <jcastro> I am kind of surprised google doesn't do auto closed captioning, etc.
[19:12] <jcastro> that would solve the problem nicely
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[19:13] <czajkowski> this is what one of our squads do, a public summary of their meeting http://codesinger.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/yellow-squad-weekly-retrospective.html
[19:13] <jono> ok, so next week lets maybe try this
[19:13] <jono> tomorrow I needed to cancel the meeting for another one
[19:14] <balloons> jcastro, http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/automatic-captions-in-youtube.html
[19:14] <jono> brb, lunch
[19:16] <jcastro> I am for/pro anything that doesn't include the wiki
[19:16] <balloons> pretty funny results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idfnk68Eo28.. watch it with cc on :-)
[19:17] <jcastro> bkerensa: ping
[19:17] <jcastro> bkerensa: please check your hp account and check to see if it's enabled/free
[19:17] <jcastro> also, lmk if they sent you a mail
[19:18] <czajkowski> jcastro: you're so anti irc/wiki though you're the other extreme :(
[19:19] <jcastro> I'm not anti wiki/irc, I'm just pro better tools. :)
[19:19] <snap-l> Wikis are a pain
[19:19] <czajkowski> jcastro: anti :)
[19:19] <snap-l> They're out of date the moment you hit submit
[19:30] <jcastro> balloons: hey can you check your HP Cloud account?
[19:30] <jcastro> the one you mailed me the creds with
[19:30] <jcastro> and see if you can use it and the stuff says 0 for cost.
[19:30] <balloons> sur
[19:31] <bkerensa> jcastro: nope I am not enabled
[19:33] <jcastro> bkerensa: k
[19:33] <balloons> jcastro, were should I see "free"?
[19:33] <jcastro> I think it should just not be charging you
[19:34] <jcastro> sigh, I was hoping they would send everyone emails
[19:35] <bkerensa> jcastro: they have a chat agent and I asked him to check their backend and he said that my account bills at the normal rate
[19:35] <bkerensa> jcastro: he said something about if this is marked a free account its noted in the billing
[19:35] <balloons> jcastro, I can spawn instances, heh
[19:35] <jcastro> I am pretty sure they work
[19:35] <jcastro> it's whether they charge you that I am not sure of
[19:36] <jcastro> imbrandon: and yours shows up as free?
[19:37] <bkerensa> jcastro: ahh the guy just check he said http://h20a64e3977ba79ad14ba0fcf39ac26a4.cdn.hpcloudsvc.com/ABM_Request.docx
[19:37] <bkerensa> that I would need to fill that out first
[19:38] <jcastro> we've done all that already
[19:38] <imbrandon> jcastro: yup so far
[19:38] <imbrandon> jcastro: it said 67$ charge -67$ adjustment
[19:38] <imbrandon> jcastro: ^^
[19:39] <jcastro> ok, that's what I thought
[19:40] <jcastro> ok so they tell me if we have any problems to just ping them
[19:40] <jcastro> and they went off of our list
[19:40] <jcastro> so I'll just send you all emails
[19:41] <bkerensa> huh
[19:41]  * bkerensa will spawn up a instance and run it
[19:47] <jono> mhall119, what was that Django page you linked me to about manage.py commands again?
[19:49] <jono> mhall119, nm, got it
[19:49] <jono> thanks
[19:52] <jcastro> balloons: lmk when you've got some awesome QA thing running on it doing Science(tm) for Mankind
[19:52] <balloons> jcastro, yes I can mess with it this week if it's ready to roll
[19:53] <balloons> thanks for helping get this rolling!
[19:55] <mhall119> jono: np
[19:59] <jono> mhall119, do you have to do anything special to register a subcommand?
[19:59] <jono> other than ensuring the app is in INSTALLED_APPs
[20:00] <jono> and creating the dirs in the app dir?
[20:00] <jono> management/commands
[20:00] <cjohnston> is there an __init__.py in the management and commands directories?
[20:00] <jono> cjohnston, that was what I was missing
[20:00] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[20:01] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:04] <mhall119> what cjohnston  said :)
[20:05] <bkerensa> jcastro: so Josee reached out to me and Brian Murray about a Q+A.... Brian asked me what this was about ?
[20:05] <bkerensa> Do you know by chance? :P
[20:05] <jcastro> probably ubuntu on air
[20:42] <jcastro> ugh
[20:42] <jcastro> is it really 4:45 already
[20:43] <jcastro> my inbox looks like a car wreck
[20:43] <bkerensa> filtering for the win?
[20:43] <bkerensa> :D
[20:44] <jcastro> too bad filtering doesn't respond for me either
[20:45] <bkerensa> true
[21:00] <mhall119> bkerensa: we're doing some Q+A support workshops tomorrow
[21:00] <bkerensa> mhall119: that sounds fun :)
[21:00] <mhall119> http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/workshops/
[21:00] <mhall119> it's for the last week of the app developer showdown
[21:01] <bkerensa> cool I will pass it along to people :)
[21:16] <jono> mhall119, does this make sense:
[21:16] <jono> i = Failures(failuretype=FailureTypes.objects.get(id=id), date=item_date, share_id=item_share_id, user=item_username, accom_id=item_accom_id, summary=item_summary)
[21:17] <jono> I am getting an integrity error on the failuretype field
[21:17] <jono> that it can't be NULL
[21:17] <jono> my get() returns the correct object
[21:23] <mhall119> jono: try failuretype_id=id instead
[21:24]  * mhall119 assumes you're calling i.save() whhich throws the integrity error
[21:25] <jono> I am calling i.save()
[21:26] <jono> mhall119, what is the issue here?
[21:26] <jono> the value I pass to failuretype seems to be the correct type
[21:26] <jono> let me pastebin it
[21:26] <mhall119> please
[21:27] <jono> mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072056/
[21:28] <mhall119> jono: can you pastebin (or link to) your models.py?
[21:29] <jono> mhall119, sure
[21:29] <jono> mhall119, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1072059/
[21:30] <mhall119> and 'f' is not None?
[21:30] <jono> mhall119, f is:
[21:31] <jono> mhall119, the type is: <class 'dashboard.models.FailureTypes'>
[21:31] <jono> when I just print f it says 'worker' which is what it is
[21:32] <mhall119> and what's the exact error?
[21:33] <jono> django.db.utils.IntegrityError: dashboard_failures.type may not be NULL
[21:34] <mhall119> hmmm
[21:34] <mhall119> did you change from 'type' to 'failuretype' in your Failures model by any chance?
[21:35] <mhall119> I mean, did you rename a field in Failures from 'type' to 'failuretype'?
[21:36] <jono> mhall119, hmmm not sure
[21:36] <jono> I will recreate my db
[21:36] <mhall119> if so, and if you did this after running syncdb, the problem is that your database still has the old column name, you'll need to drop the table and re-syncdb it (or drop the whole database and re-syncdb it)
[21:37] <jono> aha!
[21:37] <jono> now it works
[21:38] <jono> but now I get this error when I look at the failures table in the admin:
[21:38] <jono> coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, datetime.datetime found
[21:38] <jono> it looks like my datetime is not getting formatted correctly
[21:38] <jono> as I am passing it a string
[21:38] <jono> mhall119, do you know how to convert the string into a datetime it will be happy with?
[21:38] <mhall119> you'll need to convert your argument from a string to a datetime
[21:39] <popey> jono, when my son was born, I solicited names from #lugradio
[21:39] <mhall119> jono: http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#datetime.datetime.strptime
[21:40] <jono> popey, heh
[21:40] <mhall119> use http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#strftime-strptime-behavior to determine what your format string should be (it'll  depend on what you want people passing on the commandline)
[21:41] <mhall119> popey: and we're all happy that you didn't name him "GNU/MicrosoftSucks Pope"
[21:41] <popey> hah
[21:41] <popey> well, i did tell them that given my surname is Pope, I wanted his initials to be something nerdy
[21:41] <popey> like http, ftp...
[21:41] <mhall119> :P
[21:42] <popey> with p as the last initial there's a lot of scope
[21:42] <popey> he's SMP
[21:42] <popey> my wife didn't know this was orchestrated
[21:42] <mhall119> I think jono can one-up you on cheesy naming options
[21:42] <popey> I'm ARP, so me and him and nice and nerdy together :D
[21:42] <jono> mhall119, what is the format I pass to strptime?
[21:43] <popey> mhall119, managed to get my lens working :D
[21:43] <popey> going to enter the showdown \o/
[21:43] <popey> competition looks strong!
[21:45] <jono> oh I see I think
[21:46] <mhall119> jono: it depends on what you're sending on the commandline
[21:47] <jono> mhall119, got it working
[21:47] <jono> thanks
[21:47] <mhall119> if you're sending "2012-07-02" you want "%Y-%m-%d"
[21:51] <jono> mhall119, odd I am still getting an error in the admin
[21:55] <jono> Caught TypeError while rendering: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, datetime.datetime found
[22:04] <daker> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9910535/django-coercing-to-unicode-need-string-or-buffer-datetime-date-found
[22:07] <jono> daker, I fixed it, thanks!
[22:07] <daker> :)


[09:59] <zequence> OvenWerk1: We might need to do some last minute changes still. Indicator stuff. I could drop arandr while I'm at that
[16:12] <eagles0513875> hey zequence
[16:12] <eagles0513875> the problem we have is our master branch uses submodules which wont work with bzr
[16:12] <eagles0513875> which is honestly a shame
[16:12] <zequence> eagles0513875: I thought you said there was a new package already?
[16:13] <eagles0513875> zequence: i know the person who is packaging lmms has one but im not sure if its ready just yet
[16:13] <eagles0513875> should i mention that in the bug
[16:14] <zequence> eagles0513875: Ok, well, wait until it is. Then, link it to the bug report. After that, subscribe the two teams: ubuntu-release ubuntu-sponsors
[16:14] <zequence> eagles0513875: I'll make sure to test the package once it's ready. And, try to convince someone to upload it
[16:15] <eagles0513875> the person who made the package and he had no issues with 14.04 building etc
[16:15] <eagles0513875> as dependencies that are on the version currently in 14.04 have not changed just the branch being used is the issue
[16:16] <zequence> eagles0513875: I don't doubt that. But, I can't do much else than that. And testing the final package is of course a must in either case
[16:17] <eagles0513875> understood
[16:21] <eagles0513875> Would any devs be willing ot help with a major upgrade to lmms's core
[16:23] <zequence> None of us do much coding of that kind. I would try at the LAD mail list
[16:23] <eagles0513875> ya ill head over to their channel
[22:07] <OvenWerk1> eagles0513875, zequence: We already have a new lmms. My last ISO when I ran the upgrade got 1.* ... Or is there a newer one?
[22:10] <OvenWerk1> The only problem I had was that I had to remove one of the packages nvidia installs to get it to install. (either the old or new version) The nvidia driver still works fine with one monitor without the nvidia specific lib, but with two monitors I can not place windows more than half way over on the right monitor. It works fine with the open driver though.
[22:11] <OvenWerk1> I don't think it is LMMS itself, but the 32bit LMMS version includes wine.
[22:11]  * OvenWerk1 has an old P4
[22:14] <OvenWerk1> This is a new problem with 14.04 as I am using the nvidia drivers in 13.10 and have wine installed and dual monitors.
[22:22] <OvenWerk1> Ah, sorry just got the rest of the story from the other channel.
[22:24] <OvenWerk1> Sounds like a mistake I might make...


[02:50] <GrueMaster> hggdh: I thought you were in Texas?
[03:17] <hggdh> GrueMaster: indeed I am, I could not get to the sprint due to family illness
[03:18] <hggdh> GrueMaster: it is jibel that is in transit
[03:19] <GrueMaster> I figured that.  I was just poking. :P   Hope family is well.
[03:22] <hggdh> as good as one can expect ;-)
[15:19] <alourie> hello


[04:40] <tesko> anyone else's display bar above the program blink rapidly
[04:40] <tesko> when changing windows
[04:42] <tesko> ok my whole screen blunk when i opened firefox
[04:42] <tesko> i have hexchat and a terminal open
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> tesko: driver issue perhaps?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> tesko: sudo lshw -C video ?
[05:05] <tesko> want me to pastebin the results?
[05:08] <tesko> i think its a firefix problem
[05:09] <tesko> using firefox 55.0.2
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> tesko: this is version for artful
[05:26] <tesko> then how did i get 55?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> dunno?
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox xenial
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> perhaps the bot needs a reload
[05:36] <tesko> does it happen to you when you open firefox?
[05:36] <tesko> does it make the screen blink rapidly
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> not here tesko
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> tesko: are you sur
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> its not driver related?
[05:44] <tesko> no it just started with artful
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> tesko: got other apps that blink, or only firefox?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> Pici: you know if bot needs a reload here?
[05:47] <tesko> i checked a few apps, its just firefox
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> tesko: can you launch firefox from a terminal, perhaps usefull errors there?
[05:51] <tesko> hold on
[05:51] <tesko> gotta check something in the man pages
[05:56] <tesko> here lotuspsychje i ran firefox -jsconsole
[05:56] <tesko> https://pastebin.com/m4tpDmaq
[10:10] <graingert> anyone having gnome-shell login loops?
[15:03] <graingert> ok I fixed it, looks like it's because I had old extensions
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox artful
[16:49] <nacc> lotuspsychje: new ff is still stck in a-p
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> nacc: should be 55 on ubuntu right?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> even on artful?
[16:50] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ff is weird :)
[16:50] <nacc> i see 54 in a-p
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> nacc: maybe its the bot that needs a reload?
[16:50] <nacc> lotuspsychje: it's because it all came from security
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> oh
[16:50] <nacc> lotuspsychje: and there's no artful-security yet, if i had to guess
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> that should be right
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> nacc: how you like my artful box with new dash to dock fork :p http://imgur.com/a/q7Yem
[16:52] <nacc> lotuspsychje: nice
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> nacc: as for now i tweaked to bottom & size via dconf-editor
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> settings doesnt show yet on sys settings
[17:54] <tuga3d> hi all, gnome shell isn't looking in my .local/share/applications, i have several .desktop files in there that dont appear in the launcher.
[17:54] <tuga3d> any tips?
[18:05] <Bashing-om> tuga3d: Update/upgrade and reboot ?
[18:06] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: already did that :(
[18:06] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: i've installed neovim from repos and it doesn't appear also
[18:07] <Bashing-om> tuga3d: Re-add them to the launcher ?? Any errors ?
[18:08] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: how i do that? i thought gnome shell scan the ~/.local/share/applications for desktop files
[18:09] <Bashing-om> tuga3d: I run terminally . not a lot of experience with the GUI side :(
[18:10] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: yep, in terminal it works fine, although the ~/.local/bin isn't in PATH by default, don't know why.
[18:11] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: you have ~/bin in PATH, but all apps i installed in user go to ~/.local/bin
[18:13] <Bashing-om> tuga3d: Humm ,, Something hosed up somewhere: " $ echo $PATH >> /home/sysop/bin:/home/sysop/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin " . I have to be away for a spell . back soonest .
[18:14] <tuga3d> Bashing-om: ok, tnks
[18:18] <tesko> whats the command to upgrade to a new nightly build?
[18:19] <genii> Just keeping running updates as normal
[18:19] <genii> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, for instance
[18:29] <tesko> sudo update-manager -d gave me MIT MAGIC COOKIE error
[18:29] <tesko> wont let me in


[15:31] <Scary_Guy> "gpgv, gpgv2 or gpgv1 required for verification, but neither seems installed"
[15:31] <Scary_Guy> I should have listened to you guys about 23.10
[15:31] <Scary_Guy> Whats funny is THIS WAS WORKING FINE YESTERDAY!
[15:32] <Scary_Guy> "/usr/bin/apt-key: 95: cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied" also this (with sudo obviously.)  Going to try as root next.
[16:13] <Scary_Guy> yt-dlp is broken as well :/
[18:08] <cmaloney> And this is why I'm still on 20.04. :)
[18:42] <wolfger> "create" /dev/null ?
[18:43] <wolfger> I've had no issue with 23.10 thus far... (kubuntu, tho)
[18:44] <wolfger> I also didn't upgrade into it, but rather that was what I went to straight from Win 10 (and then again from a non-functional hard drive after trying to install Kali Purple)
[19:16] <Scary_Guy> I did "sudo rm /dev/null" and it did *NOT* like that.
[19:19] <wolfger> Why would you do that? (like, half serious question, and half incredulous scream, LOL)
[19:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, there are ways to recover /dev/null, and most of them involve reinstalling
[19:33] <jrwren> sudo mknod /dev/null c 1 3
[22:56] <Scary_Guy> ^yeah something like that I think
[22:57] <Scary_Guy> Though wolfger's comment made me think of this https://i.redd.it/aryo9p0vt4p71.png
[23:00] <wolfger> lol
[23:17] <Scary_Guy> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1488852/upgraded-from-23-04-to-ubuntu-23-10-no-app-center-no-firmware-flashing-tool
[23:18] <Scary_Guy> Basically "fuck you for not using Snap"
[23:24] <jrwren> mmhmmm.
[23:24] <jrwren> i'd not rely on canonical or ubuntu for anything mission critical.
[23:37] <Scary_Guy> At this point I think we should just rename the channel to #mint-us-mi (and at least they have LMDE6.)


[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Looks like we've got some progress on bug 1965439.  Looks like we're missing kdesud in /usr/libexec ?
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> per https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452532
[21:06] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: no we are not missing it. it is where it has always been on a multiarch install
[21:06] <RikMills> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy&arch=amd64&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=kdesud
[21:07] <RikMills> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic&arch=amd64&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=kdesud
[21:07] <RikMills> it is in the correct place for a Ubuntu/Debian system
[21:09] <RikMills> Ahmad Samir is basing what he said on a system such as Arch
[21:10] <RikMills> whatever the problem is, it is not the lack of the daemon
[21:11] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: I should have time to get to that git bisect tomorrow
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> AH, i SEE.
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> sorry, caps
[21:13] <RikMills> I saw a comment somewhere with a little more debug, but forgot to bookmark it. I shall trawl by browser history as well
[21:14] <RikMills> something where pam was denying the password
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha.
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> Well, I let Ahmad know that with a reply that he is basing his comnet on ARch systems.
[21:19] <RikMills> well, not ubuntu anyway
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> Nah, it's Arch. I have a little experience there.
[22:39] <valorie> @ahoneybun is an arch-lover
 Haha
 I may have had an interview with Gaming on Linux lol