[00:00] <elz89> OK, I will give this a try now...
[00:32] <jMCg> YAY. NFS doesn't work any more since upgrade.
[00:36] <elz89> jMCg: A little more info would not go a miss?
[00:36] <jMCg> elz89: still looking into it.
[00:38] <jMCg> Server is running, /etc/exports hasn't changed, and no other file has. mount.nfs says Connection timed out. Firewall is currently inactive, I'm still setting up the servers.
[02:49] <TimR_> Hi Guys I am just wondering if anybody can tell me how to setup a userpage as domain.com/~username  ?
[02:50] <wo0f> apache config
[02:50] <JanC> TimR_: with Apache that's basic configuration stuff?  (used to be enabled by default even)
[02:51] <TimR_> what am I looking at in the apache config file or what do I need to do
[02:51] <wo0f> make your file in sites-available
[02:52] <wo0f> then link it in sites-enable
[02:52] <JanC> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html#userdir
[02:53] <JanC> TimR_: you need to enable mod_userdir (if it isn't already) and set the directory in the users $HOME that contains the files to be served
[02:53] <TimR_> alright
[02:53] <TimR_> Thanks Janc and wo0f
[02:54] <JanC> actually, UserDir can be outside the user's $HOME
[02:55] <JanC> but that's how it started  ;)
[02:55] <wo0f> TimR_, just copy and edit the default file
[02:56] <TimR_> well see that is the next question what would I be adding or editing to the file?
[02:56] <JanC> wo0f: I doubt the default vsite enables this
[02:56] <wo0f> make a new one
[02:56] <wo0f> "TimR" for instance
[02:57] <TimR_> ok
[02:57] <wo0f> then create a symbolic link of your file in the sites-enabled folder
[02:57] <TimR_> what info needs to be in there?
[02:57] <wo0f> um
[02:57] <JanC> TimR_: it might be useful to read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
[02:58] <wo0f> document root is where the files are
[02:58] <TimR_> ok
[02:58] <JanC> and i would suggest using the a2* tools instead of manually creating symlinks  ;)
[02:59] <wo0f> JanC, a"* tools?
[02:59] <JanC> a2dismod   a2dissite  a2enmod    a2ensite
[02:59] <wo0f> oh well yeah
[02:59] <wo0f> i usually just ln -s :P
[03:00] <wo0f> JanC, good tip tanks
[03:23] <TimR_> Alright I have a other question how do you limit the size of home directory the user can have?
[03:23] <TimR_> like only 50meg
[03:26] <qman__> disk quotas
[03:28] <TimR_> thanks
[03:46] <Deathbringer> could some one help me with my apaceh2 on my ubuntu server?
[03:47] <TimR_> what issue are u having deathbringer
[03:47] <Deathbringer> i created a new virtual host and my apaceh2 wont restart with out failing
[03:48] <TimR_> what is the error are you getting when u restart it
[03:48] <Deathbringer> permision denied make_sock could not bind to address  <IP_ADDRESS>:80 no listening sockets available shutting down unable to open logs Fail
[03:49] <Deathbringer> i have been playing with it for hours and cant figure it out
[03:50] <TimR_> mmm
[03:50] <Deathbringer> I have disabled the enabled site i added and i still cant restart it
[03:50] <TimR_> are u getting a ip address to the server?
[03:50] <Deathbringer> nope thats the error how it comes in
[03:51] <TimR_> there is ur issue
[03:51] <TimR_> your not getting a ip address
[03:51] <Deathbringer> what you mean how do i fix?
[03:51] <TimR_> are u behind a switch or router
[03:51] <Deathbringer> no its on a dedicated server
[03:51] <TimR_> then is it connected to a modem or what?
[03:52] <Deathbringer> its on its own dedicated line i disabled the firewall on the server in CP
[03:52] <TimR_> is this at a datacenter or at ur house?
[03:52] <Deathbringer> idk what its connected to cuz i rent it from a server hosting company
[03:52] <TimR_> then the issue is at the server hosting company
[03:53] <Deathbringer> ok then how do i fix it?
[03:53] <TimR_> you need to contact them and tell them your not getting a ip address
[03:53] <Deathbringer> I am buying a new domain and need to get that domain to be picked up by the server
[03:53] <Deathbringer> and i have no clue how to use virtual hosts..
[03:54] <TimR_> the ip address is the issue
[03:54] <TimR_> who is the hosting company?
[03:54] <Deathbringer> iweb
[03:54] <Deathbringer> what you mean the ip address is the issue?
[03:55] <Deathbringer> I have 4 IPs for it
[03:55] <TimR_> if your getting a error of <IP_ADDRESS>:80 that means the server is not getting a ip address
[03:56] <Deathbringer> where do i fix it?
[03:56] <TimR_> i told you have to contact iweb
[03:56] <TimR_> they have to take look at it
[03:57] <Deathbringer> I am not paying them to look at it... thats why i am in support chan i installed all this myself it has nothign to do with iweb...
[03:57] <TimR_> then I am sorry we cant really help you
[03:58] <Deathbringer> nvm i fixed it...
[03:58] <TimR_> how did you fix it
[03:59] <Deathbringer> i left out sudo...
[04:00] <TimR_> ic
[05:10] <qman__> binding to <IP_ADDRESS> means binding to all IPs, it doesn't mean you don't have one
[09:49] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:51] <lenios_> hi
[09:56] <lau> I am trying to use pbuilder to build rdiff-backup-fs on lucid any idea how to fix this dep issue ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/709439/
[10:29] <Faraway> @Adri2000
[10:41]  * e-DIO-t spara sui cattolici.
[10:41] <e-DIO-t> ma guarda te se mi devo trova' "bible time" nel menu.
[10:42] <e-DIO-t> ops, sorry, wrong channel!
[11:01] <RoyK> hm... anyone that knows if it's possible to use cryptsetup on files, not partitions, without mapping them manually with losetup?
[11:13] <RoyK> testing one two
[11:39] <patdk-lap> royk, no idea, only used partitions
[11:57] <RoyK> patdk-lap: I resorted to setting up a simple encrypted home dir with a New And Improved Password inspired by http://xkcd.com/936/
[11:59] <patdk-lap> ya, the password min requirements checker I setup handles both of those
[12:00] <patdk-lap> if it's short, it must be mixed case and numbers and symbols
[12:00] <patdk-lap> the longer it is, you can get away with all lower case only
[12:00] <patdk-lap> it just makes sure there is x entropy available
[12:00] <patdk-lap> but I haven't seen anyone using long passwords yes
[12:01] <patdk-lap> my passwords are normally mixed case,symbols and about 15-20 long
[12:02] <RoyK> I just used a rather understandable, but hardly common, phrase in my language
[12:02] <RoyK> patdk-lap: how is this password requirement setup?
[12:03] <patdk-lap> mine are just patterns on the keyboard
[12:03] <patdk-lap> you give me a strange keyboard layout, heh, I can't type it in
[12:03] <jMCg> I use long gibberish phrases that I come up when I'm high on HATE for passwords and people dreaming up password restriction rules.
[12:03] <RoyK> my point exactly - I switch between keyboard layouts regularly, so I need something simple
[12:04] <RoyK> jMCg: lol
[12:04] <patdk-lap> jmcg, ya, I try to make it as unrestrictive as possible
[12:04] <patdk-lap> but people just love to use, password, their name, ....
[12:04] <patdk-lap> ya, I had to get creative in checking that their username wasn't in their password
[12:05] <RoyK> we had a change-password-every-month policy at work until recently - boss changed that when he became aware of the consequences - people either write down their password or just use blah<int> and increase the number
[12:05] <patdk-lap> amonth is way way too short for that
[12:05] <patdk-lap> I suggest a min of 6months
[12:05] <patdk-lap> atleast, based on the amount of time I see a compromised password get stolen, till it gets used
[12:06] <RoyK> also, the policy said you should use numbers, mixed case, symbols and whatnot, which doesn't quite fit the fine style of that xkcd thing
[12:06] <patdk-lap> ya, have those restrictions in place :( cause of audits here :( they won't let them be turned off
[12:07] <RoyK> that policy was removed after I printed out that XKCD strip and handed it out in an IT meeting :P
[12:07] <patdk-lap> well, as long as you don't have external people auditing you, that is god
[12:07] <patdk-lap> good
[12:08] <patdk-lap> but when you do, you just have to do what they say, no matter how dumb
[12:08] <RoyK> we don't, but we've had a consulting firm going through all of IT recently, and they approved it
[12:09]  * patdk-lap wonders about royk :)
[12:09] <patdk-lap> we base our security on xkcd :)
[12:09] <jMCg> patdk-lap: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/why-isnt-everyone-hacked-every-day/6633
[12:09] <RoyK> patdk-lap: not really, but he has a very good point in that strip
[12:09]  * jMCg needs to find some time to actually realize that catphrase.org site.
[12:09] <patdk-lap> royk, I know, just playing :)
[12:13] <patdk-lap> jmcg, that assumes attacks are out to make a profit
[12:13] <patdk-lap> so far, the attacks against me, are just standard defacing, so no profit in that
[12:13] <patdk-lap> just getting their name out
[12:32] <jMCg> patdk-lap: it does. And it's a good assumption when it comes to crime. Vandalism is.. well.. stupid.
[12:36] <jMCg> Of course auntie natties kitty honey blog will hardly be a target for crime -- but it will be an invitation for vandalism if it looks easy to break.
[12:37] <jMCg> But yeah.. re vandalism, we have another jewel from xkcd: http://xkcd.com/932/
[12:45] <jMCg> To put my statement (vandalism is stupid) into more of a perspective: While defacing big corporations does a great deal in certain communities - who have already arrived at that mindset - that these corporations don't give two fucks about anything that isn't green with lots of zeros, in the general public, through mainstream media all it does is facilliate the mind set that hackers are evil (because they break your X-Box)
[12:49] <patdk-lap> ya, I loved that one about the cia poster, heh
[13:34] <liran> How do I disable all Diffie-Helman ciphers in my ubuntu Apache server?
[13:35] <RoyK> liran: why?
[13:36] <liran> RoyK: testing
[13:39] <liran> RoyK:  ?
[13:55] <RoyK> liran: sorry, don't know - perhaps someone at #httpd would know
[14:23] <patdk-lap> hmm, apache doesn't do ciphers, maybe you should check out mod_ssl or mod_gnutls
[14:23] <patdk-lap> they both explain it pretty simply
[16:27] <binaryhat> i have 14 pdf files and only 10 were copied over to the samba share.  i get 'could not write to  smb://....'
[21:17] <hydromet> hello, this may seem like a question with an obvious answer, but I'm trying to get some precise understanding of language
[21:18] <hydromet> If I patch my Ubuntu Server's Linux kernel, is such patching of the kernel considered to be a "custom kernel"? Or, to phrase the question another way, is patching a kernel the same thing as customizing it?
[21:20] <qman__> hydromet, using any kernel that is not in a package in the repositories is a custom kernel
[21:21] <qman__> in binary form
[21:22] <hydromet> qman__: thank you, that's what I thought but I wanted to be fairly precise (based on something else I was reading, wanted to make sure I understood it)
[21:23] <hydromet> I have Ubuntu Server 11.04 running as a virtual machine in VMware Fusion ... I had to patch the kernel to accommodate for security purposes for Openswan ... its been an interesting learning curve(s)
[21:45] <elz89> Is anyone around to assist me with a video display issue on a fresh install of oceiric? All the text is blurred. I have made some adjustments to /etc/default/grub to no avail.
[21:45] <elz89> *oneiric
[21:46] <Theravadan> anyone know why iptables is not rejecting/dropping packets? iptables increments the counter for the DROP/REJECT but the packet is allowed.
[21:46] <elz89> Theravadan: Have you restarted networking since config change?
[21:49] <Theravadan> elz89, hmm actually it was working, it drops the packet so connecting just hangs as it should
[21:51] <elz89> connecting to what?
[21:51] <Theravadan> elz89: connecting to the blocked port. how can i have it send  RST?
[22:07] <dnmons> The postfix process is started before dovecot. Unfortunately, I’ve set Dovecot to do local delivery and handle authentication. How can I delay the postfix process at boot? Causes some queued messages to be dropped. (This was not a problem with 11.04. new in 11.10.)
[22:51] <elz89> Anyone about to help with a video issue in oneiric?
[22:51] <elz89> My text is unreadable.
[22:53] <patdk-lap> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[22:53] <patdk-lap> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[22:53] <patdk-lap> put those in /etc/default/grub
[22:54] <patdk-lap> update-grub
[22:54] <patdk-lap> and reboot
[22:55] <elz89> patdk-lap: I forgot to update grub, what a newb :-P
[22:56] <elz89> thanks :-)


[03:05] <sid> elkbuntu: You around?
[06:55] <morka> heh
[06:55] <morka> it really exists
[06:56] <n2diy> yeeaaa
[06:56] <morka> btw, we offered free updates to anyone who bought xp during last months of 2006
[06:56] <morka> once vista was released, our order servers went down
[06:57] <morka> so, apparently people are willing to at least voluntarily check out vista
[06:57] <n2diy> ! ubotu | bugs morka, see #1
[06:57] <ubotu> bugs morka, see #1: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:58] <n2diy> whoops, that didn't work.
[06:58] <morka> yes, yes
[06:58] <n2diy> ! ubotu | bugs morka
[06:58] <ubotu> bugs morka: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:58] <morka> ms majority market share
[06:58] <morka> b.g. now basically retired
[06:58] <n2diy> whoops, that didn't either.
[06:58] <morka> ms will slowly go the way of ibm
[06:59] <n2diy> morka: Exactly, nobody stays number one forever.
[06:59] <morka> all oem manufacturers have agreements with ms
[06:59] <morka> that's how they can get OS cheaper, and compete
[06:59] <morka> we have linux preinstalled on some systems, but can't advertise it much.
[07:00] <morka> and it comes with no support whatsoever, just hardware support
[07:00] <morka> for a windows based machine, you get support for os and hardware
[07:00] <morka> for just about the same $$$
[07:00] <n2diy> morka: Not all of them, some broke rank. But it is the little guy that will break MS. When I explain to the locals they don't have to pony up for a 1000 licenses with linux, I think they'll listen.
[07:01] <morka> who broke ranks?
[07:01] <morka> corps ?
[07:01] <morka> maybe
[07:01] <morka> homeusers wont budge, unless they are geeks
[07:01] <morka> but corps dont even buy any OSes
[07:01] <n2diy> morka: Wasn't Dell shipping linux boxes, and a small name was selling through Walmart
[07:02] <morka> dell n series
[07:02] <morka> you get freedos
[07:02] <morka> or maybe redhat
[07:02] <morka> if u want
[07:02] <n2diy> morka: Ok, so they are/were testing the waters.
[07:03] <morka> yes, but they barely sell
[07:03] <n2diy> morka: Umm, that is why it is called testing.
[07:03] <morka> linux acceptance would be great for OEM builders
[07:03] <morka> margins are very low, like 50$
[07:04] <morka> saving on OS would let you either compete on the price, or squeeze in more harware in
[07:05] <n2diy> morka: What about RMO folks? No more hassles with all the nasties associated with Winders.
[07:05] <morka> they barely sell because dell cannot advertise much about those n-series:)
[07:05] <morka> what RMO folks
[07:06] <n2diy> morka: Yes MS has a hatchet hanging over their head.
[07:06] <morka> difficult to say whose hatchet is hanging over whose head
[07:06] <n2diy> morka: Do you know what an RMO is?
[07:06] <morka> dell is one of the largest buyers of ms software
[07:06] <morka> I dont know what an RMO stands for
[07:08] <n2diy> morka: Repair and Maintiance (sp) Org/Op
[07:19] <n2diy> morka: did you fall out of your chair?
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: are we using your server for gobby
[11:53] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, yes
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> kk i'm on my way to check it out
[11:54] <Admiral_Chicago> juliux: url@ftw?
[11:54] <juliux> ja
[11:54] <juliux> yes
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> gobby isn't too happy about this. it's hanging on TLS
[11:57] <tsmithe> Admiral_Chicago, meeting in an hour!!
[11:57] <juliux> i will check it
[11:57] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, which port you use?
[11:57] <Admiral_Chicago> 6523: ubuntu.juliux.de
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: i'll see you there, I woke up 30 minutes ago thinking I overslept
[11:58] <tsmithe> hehe
[11:58] <tsmithe> lucky you didn't then :)
[11:58] <Admiral_Chicago> no i woke up at a health 4.30 am
[11:58] <juliux> Admiral_Chicago, i think you use the wrong password the password is ufl@ftw
[12:00] <Admiral_Chicago> ty
[02:45] <nixternal> meatballhat: where are you from?
[02:45] <meatballhat> Bedford, OH ... between Cleveland and Akron  :)
[02:45] <nixternal> ahh, I seen the "school and snow" comment
[02:45] <nixternal> we are getting pounded in Chicago right now
[02:45] <jenda> If you guys have a meeting, I'm coming ;)
[02:46] <meatballhat> nixternal: no doubt ...  I wanted to move to Chicago for awhile despite the weather  ;-D
[02:46] <nixternal> there is nothing here, just good pizza and polish sausages
[02:47] <tsmithe> i wish it would snow properly here...
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> blasphemy
[02:48] <meatballhat> nixternal: hilarious!  .... all my favorite bands are from Chicago  :)
[02:48] <nixternal> Smashing Pumpkins? I went to the same highschool as them
[02:49] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: what do you know about Chicago? :)
[02:53] <meatballhat> nixternal: mostly Joan of Arc, Don Caballero :)
[02:56] <nixternal> my lord it is cold out, and windy
[02:57] <jenda> meatballhat: I wonder what's next in line for DIY.
[02:57] <jenda> I kinda dropped out of the line of thought :)
[02:57] <meatballhat> making it *work*  :D   .....
[02:58] <jenda> I'll try reading back through the stuff today, and perhaps tomorrow we could discuss it?
[02:58] <jenda> :)
[02:58] <meatballhat> that would be great :)  ... how long until you're off?
[03:00] <jenda> not long :/
[03:00] <jenda> Saturday.
[03:00] <jenda> I might be meeting G0SUB of Ubuntu India down there :) Looking forward to it.
[03:00] <meatballhat> jenda: tomorrow it is, then  :)
[03:00] <meatballhat> jenda: that's great!
[03:00] <jenda>
[03:01] <jenda> but last time I talked to him, it was more like 'show me when it's done'
[03:01] <jenda> Which I can understand :)
[03:02] <meatballhat> jenda: precisely why I haven't pursued more of his attention
[03:02] <meatballhat> :)
[03:02] <jenda> hehe
[03:03] <meatballhat> jenda: laters
[03:03] <jenda> see you all later, and once again, congratulations, meatballhat ;)
[03:03] <meatballhat> :)
[03:03] <meatballhat> thank you !!!
[03:53] <juliux> jenda, ping
[04:13] <jenda> juliux: pong
[04:13] <juliux> jenda, i get your stickers today
[04:13] <jenda> wee
[04:13] <jenda> watchya think?
[04:13] <juliux> jenda, what the hell you did with the package?
[04:14] <juliux> it looks like a bomb but not a normal stickers
[04:14] <juliux> but the stickers are ok
[04:14] <jenda> I had to make sure they didn't get damaged :)
[04:14] <juliux> they are looking great
[04:15] <jenda> :)
[04:16] <meatballhat> juliux: you still selling those black polos?  :)
[04:16] <juliux> meatballhat, yes
[04:16] <juliux> meatballhat, but they are not black, it is navy blue
[04:16] <jenda> navy blue, dude, navy blue ;)
[04:17] <meatballhat> sounds good to me either way :)
[04:17] <meatballhat> shipping to the states?
[04:17] <juliux> but there is only size L and XL left
[04:17] <juliux> yes shipping to the states
[04:17] <meatballhat> hmmm ... I'm prob an L anyway :)
[04:17] <juliux> are you in the near of chicago?
[04:17] <meatballhat> not so much ... about 7 hours east :)
[04:18] <juliux> hehe
[04:18] <juliux> i was asking because i will send nixternal two shirts tommorow
[04:18] <meatballhat> gotcha :)  ... should I send you an email?  paypal?
[04:19] <juliux> yes e-mail with your name, postaddress
[04:19] <meatballhat> will do ... your email on LP?
[04:19] <juliux> and you can pay via paypal
[04:19] <juliux> yes
[04:19] <meatballhat> excellent
[04:19] <juliux> or take<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:19] <meatballhat> done :)
[04:20] <juliux> but that is not the paypal account
[04:20] <juliux> did you want a t-shirt or a polo?
[04:20] <meatballhat> juliux: I'd like the polo, assuming it's the more business-y of the two ;-)
[04:21] <juliux> yes it is more business
[04:21] <juliux> that is the reason why we made polos;)
[04:21] <juliux> we made 100 polos and 50 t-shirts
[04:21] <meatballhat> I'm going to be on the local lecture circuit :)   (wheee!)
[04:21] <meatballhat> good choice :)  ....I prefer the Linus side of the camp, if you know what I mean
[04:22] <juliux> you have luck;) there are only 2 polos in L left
[04:23] <jenda> juliux: speaking of paypal... ;)
[04:24] <juliux> jenda, what you mean
[04:24] <juliux> ?
[04:24] <meatballhat> jenda: you collecting?  ;-)
[04:24] <jenda> juliux: I mean, I still have a rather large deficit here ;)
[04:24] <tsmithe> i would shout, "i am!" here, but that seems inappropriate
[04:24] <jenda> juliux: I'm not sure who was supposed to pay, but I'm sure nobody did :-D
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, i mailed smurf that he should pay your the money
[04:25] <jenda> tsmithe: very ;)
[04:25] <tsmithe> :)
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, i am sorry i have no paypal account and i want no paypal account
[04:25] <jenda> juliux: ooh, so I can go bother smurf... :) I love a good excuse.
[04:25] <jenda> juliux: it's no problem ;)
[04:25] <juliux> jenda, yes you can
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tsmithe: congartulations
[04:35] <tsmithe> thanks :)
[04:35] <tsmithe> you too
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> tanks
[05:29] <KenSentMe> jenda: Remember we discussed making a Ubuntu Magazine?
[05:29] <jenda> oh yes.
[05:29] <KenSentMe> The Dutch Ubuntu team is now planning to make one
[05:29] <KenSentMe> And i think we might succeed
[05:29] <jenda> hmm
[05:30] <jenda> KenSentMe: I'm _truly_ on my way out now... litterally, my jacket's already on... but I'd like to talk about it later tonite or tomorrow... possible?
[05:30] <jenda> :)
[05:30] <KenSentMe> Okay, no problem :)
[05:30] <jenda> :)
[05:30] <jenda> laters
[05:32] <sid> elkbuntu: ping
[05:46] <MenZa> Ooooh, Melissa!
[05:47] <tsmithe> :o
[05:48] <MenZa> TSMITHE!
[05:48] <MenZa> mah favourite boi.
[05:48] <MenZa> ^^
[05:49] <tsmithe> hey MenZa, guess what!
[06:06] <MenZa> tsmithe: what?
[06:06] <MenZa> :O
[06:06] <tsmithe> i got ubuntu membership!
[06:06] <MenZa> sweet
[06:06] <MenZa> congrats man :D
[06:07] <tsmithe> yay! :D
[07:14] <Burgwork> grumble
[07:14] <Burgwork> can somebody op me so I can change the topic?
[07:15] <Burgwork> oh, wait
[08:28] <juliux> jenda, thxs for the big ubuntu stickers
[08:28] <juliux> jenda, it is no on my notebook, around the hp logo;)


[12:04] <theCore> LaserJock: can i send it to you via Direct transfert ( I got a problem with http right now )
[12:05] <LaserJock> theCore: hmm, try it again
[12:06] <robotgeek> LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/10248
[12:07] <LaserJock> theCore: sorry I wasn't able to get the DCC (I probably have something turned off).
[12:07] <LaserJock> theCore: but I see what you are talking about in the robotgeek's screenshot
[12:07] <LaserJock> thanks robotgeek
[12:08] <robotgeek> sure, np.
[12:08] <LaserJock> theCore: it looks like the Packaging Guide hasn't been updated in KDE for a few months. It looks like about PG from Christmas time ;-)
[12:09] <robotgeek> LaserJock: same with desktop guide as well
[12:11] <LaserJock> actually though that doc could be useful
[04:46] <Burgundavia> now that I blogged provactively, will anyone care?
[04:49] <robotgeek> Burgwork: where?
[04:50] <robotgeek> fridge?
[04:51] <Madpilot> planet.u.c
[04:51] <Madpilot> he's bashing Launchpad :P
[04:51] <Madpilot> Mark's going to come gunning for you, Burgundavia
[04:53] <Burgundavia> how do I get old svn versions of a doc?
[04:53] <Burgundavia> hmm, never mind
[04:53] <Burgundavia> any idea how to use css on moin?
[04:54] <robotgeek> Burgwork: svn list, maybe?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> I got it
[04:56] <robotgeek> so, it is svn list, is it? useful information :)
[04:57] <Burgundavia> bloody hell. It doesn't look like I can use custom css on a moin wiki
[04:59] <Madpilot> nice long blogpost/ad for Epiphany on p.u.c too
[05:01] <Burgundavia> mine was more of a rant
[05:02] <Madpilot> yeah, the line about 'killing kittens' sort of tipped me off :P
[05:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, in the bit about not bug-triaging on LP anymore, did you actually mean to write, "I know I am alone in this." or is that missing a "not"?
[05:05] <Burgundavia> good catch
[05:07] <Burgundavia> fixed
[05:08] <Madpilot> not in planet.u.c yet - will it reload?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:12] <Burgundavia> 10min intervals
[05:32] <Burgundavia> night all
[05:34] <LaserJock> cya Burgundavia
[05:40] <trappist> remind me, is the kubuntu quickguide on the list of things we're not worrying about?
[05:42] <LaserJock> trappist: just a sec
[05:44] <Madpilot> trappist, I think so
[05:45] <LaserJock> trappist: last edit was Feb. 15th
[05:47] <trappist> does that mean we don't like it anymore?
[05:47] <LaserJock> to be honest, I don't know
[05:47] <LaserJock> that is a fairly recent edit in the whole scheme of things
[05:47] <trappist> I'm ever so useful when I know what to work on
[05:48] <trappist> and the last thing I asked about was incorrectly listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Projects so I haven't learned to trust that yet
[05:48] <Madpilot> we've got a lot of stuff on that Project page that isn't really active...
[05:48] <trappist> or, better, when I know what not to work on, since we covered the positives earlier today
[05:49] <LaserJock> trappist: well, some of the problem is that we work fairly independently
[05:49] <LaserJock> so you would have to talk to the authors to know for sure
[05:49] <trappist> I guess not all the authors hang out here?
[05:50] <Madpilot> some time after our string freeze, we should go through that list and note what isn't active anymore...
[05:50] <Madpilot> trappist, mailing list is better for getting everyone
[05:50] <LaserJock> trappist: not all the time
[05:52] <trappist> Madpilot: that's sort of why I asked.  I have a biggish patch to the kubuntu quickguide languishing on the list for a while.
[05:54] <LaserJock> oh, well it might be that somebody just needs to apply it
[05:54] <Madpilot> trappist, Jerome is jsgotango when he's on IRC, he's listed as maintainer of the Kubuntu quickguide
[05:54] <trappist> oh.  don't think I've ever seen him.
[05:55] <LaserJock> yeah, he seems to be busy lately
[05:57] <Madpilot> I think he's been on business trips or something
[05:59] <LaserJock> he does a lot of touring
[06:04] <trappist> damn rock stars.
[06:08] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek - know anything about Kubuntu Quickguide?
[06:08] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i know that it is complete, however we need to discuss if the KDG and User Guide conflict.
[06:09] <Madpilot> has it been updated for Dapper, though?
[06:09] <robotgeek> lemme check quickly
[06:10] <robotgeek> This guide was written midway during the 6.04 development, so parts of it may be incomplete or out of date.
[06:10] <robotgeek> I think it is not really conflicting, as it covers more basics than the Desktop Guide
[06:13] <Madpilot> is Kubuntu going to be shipping both guides?
[06:13] <robotgeek> i am not sure, really. i wanted to ask jerome before, but i forgot about it. we needed to discuss this.
[06:16] <robotgeek> however, i think we can ship both
[06:17] <LaserJock> robotgeek: are we presently shipping the quickguide?
[06:19] <robotgeek> LaserJock: yes
[06:22] <Madpilot> good, finally figured out Malone's settings - there are two 'Documentation Team' entries in bug-contacts but only one of them actually emails the list...
[06:23] <robotgeek> heh
[06:24] <trappist> I'm on the wireless networking part of the serverguide.  I think its final contents are going to depend a lot on the final decision of whether to cram wpasupplicant config tools into the newly available window before release.  should I just leave it alone for now, until we know how that turns out?
[06:25] <trappist> there's been some traffic on the -devel list about it, and as far as I can tell there's no final word either way yet.
[06:26] <Madpilot> that could change the wireless sections of the desktop guides, too...
[06:26] <Madpilot> I don't do wireless myself, so I'll leave that up to those who do
[06:27] <trappist> probably even more than the serverguide, since we're talking about gui tools
[06:27] <robotgeek> Madpilot: there's just too much information about wireless to do a good job in the desktop guides, it is better to leave that job to the wiki
[06:28] <Madpilot> robotgeek, good point. I'm just glad I still run lots of Cat5 :P
[06:28] <eleybourn> Sorry if this is the wrong group for this. I am installing about 10 Ubuntu machines to give to one of our local charities for disadvatages families. Anyone know of good documentation to get beginners started with Ubuntu. Pref PDF that I can print out and give. I can't find much on the Ubuntu websites.
[06:29] <trappist> I think it does belong in there, if only to hold a blurb and point to a good wiki page and maybe a strong recommendation that you research compatibility before buying a wireless card
[06:29] <LaserJock> eleybourn: help.ubuntu.com
[06:29] <robotgeek> LaserJock: we don't have pdf's for breezy, iirc
[06:30] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I know, but h.u.c is the best we've got for the moment
[06:30] <robotgeek> eleybourn: yes, unfortunately help.ubuntu.com is your best bet. documentation is also included in the install
[06:30] <Madpilot> talk to mdke, he might be able to build some PDFs of Breezy's docs
[06:31] <eleybourn> I had seen that. Most of it is designed more as a FAQ not really as a beginners introduction
[06:31] <Madpilot> eleybourn, we've got PDFs of the stuff we're writing for the new release, but not for Breezy...
[06:33] <trappist> actually, screw it.  I don't have enough wireless foo to do anything more useful than fill the hole in the doc, so I'll leave the hole for somebody more qualified.
[06:33] <eleybourn> There's a great little apache group program called fop. It turns XML into PDF's. A little nasty to learn (no docs, only examples).
[06:33] <Madpilot> eleybourn, that's what we're using :P
[06:33] <Madpilot> well, what mdke is using, actually
[06:34] <eleybourn> shiny
[06:34] <robotgeek> yeah, i used that too
[06:34] <LaserJock> eleybourn: yeah, I think Dapper will have xml, html, and pdf
[06:35] <eleybourn> Will there be a beginners tutorial doc in Dapper?
[06:35] <LaserJock> eleybourn: take a look at doc.ubuntu.com
[06:35] <LaserJock> eleybourn: that is our working docs for Dapper
[06:36] <Madpilot> eleybourn, the Ubuntu Desktop Guide has been significantly rewritten for Dapper
[06:39] <eleybourn> Ok. I missed d.u.c. I'm liking the desktopguide
[06:40] <eleybourn> I think theres even a few things in there I didn't know & I've been using Debian/Ubuntu for years.
[06:40] <Madpilot> d.u.c is unstable, the HTML stuff there is built from our SVN repo twice a day - so it's nearly as current as it gets
[06:45] <eleybourn> Big question sorry. How applicable is the new desktop guide to Breezy. From my cursory glance it seems fine.
[06:46] <Madpilot> most of it should work, I think - not all of it, though
[06:46] <Madpilot> some minor but irritating things like menu layouts have changed slightly btwn Breezy & Dapper
[06:51] <eleybourn> Thanks.
[06:51] <Madpilot> AFAIK, all of the apps we mention in the Ubuntu Desktop Guide exist for Breezy too - some of them are in different repositories, though
[06:59] <eleybourn> Anyway thanks for the help. My only AU$0.02 would be to put screenshots into the desktop guide. Beginners are going to want to see what their looking at.
[06:59] <eleybourn> TTFN
[07:01] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what we need, tons of orange ;-)
[07:01] <robotgeek> hmm, i just sent off an email ot the doc list
[07:02] <Madpilot> LaserJock, not a fan of Dapper's default theme? :P
[07:02] <LaserJock> robotgeek: are you talking about Kubuntu or Ubuntu or both?
[07:03] <robotgeek> LaserJock: kubuntu, sorry
[07:03] <LaserJock> Madpilot: don't really know, haven't seen it yet
[07:03] <LaserJock> Madpilot: only a couple screenshots
[07:29] <robotgeek> trappist: ping
[07:32] <trappist> pong
[07:37] <robotgeek> trappist: i saw your email to list, kmail complains about a "Warning: The signature is bad" mostly as it was signed by a different email, i think
[07:38] <robotgeek> trappist: however, i was wondering if you care to work in the integration of the docs
[07:39] <trappist> I don't remember a post like that.  that would make sense :)  I remember reporting a bug about kmail failing to remember my preference to accept an ssl certificate, though
[07:39] <robotgeek> PATCH: More serverguide additions mostly
[07:40] <robotgeek> that email is the one kmail was complaining about. nvm
[07:41] <trappist> at the moment I can say maybe on the integration.  I had my sights on a couple of other things, and my lack of real docbook foo or any real familiarity with either doc would probably slow me down a bit.
[07:42] <trappist> but I do have the time, so do keep in touch about it.
[07:43] <trappist> come to think of it, I know about as much about postfix as I do about wireless networking, which is just enough to make it work for me, so I'll probably end up leaving that alone...
[07:44] <trappist> so yeah, I can work on that :)
[07:44] <robotgeek> trappist: i'll start working on it right now, i'll probably get a fair idea by tommorow
[07:44] <trappist> ok I'm gonna head to bed.  I'll look for a clue about what needs doing in the morning.
[07:44] <robotgeek> cool
[07:45] <trappist> g'night
[08:30] <robotgeek> hey Burgundavia
[08:31] <Burgundavia> salut robotgeek
[08:31] <robotgeek> trying to decide if i should start work on that or go to sleep :)
[08:33] <Burgundavia> on which?
[08:33] <robotgeek> the integtration
[08:33] <Burgundavia> of?
[08:34] <robotgeek> Quickguide and Desktop Guide for Kubuntu, sorry
[08:34] <robotgeek> i tht u saw the email to the list
[08:34] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:34] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop <-- my current project
[08:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, isn't that the Quicktour reborn?
[08:35] <highvoltage> hi Burgundavia
[08:35] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yes, but on the website
[08:35] <Burgundavia> salut highvoltage
[08:35] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: still enjoying launchpad?
[08:35] <highvoltage> :)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> I am typing with bloody stumps, if that is what you mean :)
[08:37] <robotgeek> heh
[08:38] <highvoltage> hehe
[08:38] <Madpilot> "I would rather have my fingers gnawed by rabid chimpmunks than use Launchpad some days." - Mark really is going to hunt you down, Burgundavia :P
[08:39] <Burgundavia> well, if I was using Kubutu, it would be Knawed
[08:40] <robotgeek> lol
[08:42] <Madpilot> need sleep - later, all
[08:42] <robotgeek> later Madpilot
[08:57] <mdke> Burgundavia, sure you can use css on the moin wiki. Either use a table, or use html directly
[08:58] <Burgundavia> doesn't seem to be turned on
[08:58] <Burgundavia> regardless, somebody from #moin gave me a hand
[08:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.linspire.com/products_linspire_whatis.php?tab=features <-- very cool
[09:02] <mdke> damn no one has replied on the freeze thread
[09:03] <Burgundavia> I think we go wit your suggestion then
[09:03] <robotgeek> mdke: was just on my way out. have you seen my new emails to the list?
[09:05] <mdke> Burgundavia, which? ;)
[09:05] <mdke> robotgeek, yes
[09:06] <Burgundavia> mdke: 2 weeks
[09:06] <robotgeek> mdke: i think there will be sizeable amount of work to be done if both Quickguide and Desktop Guide are to merge, with new screenshots etc.
[09:07] <mdke> robotgeek, I think the best idea is if you just do what you can, and don't worry about how much you can merge, the DG is already quite complete, I think.
[09:07] <mdke> use what you like
[09:07] <robotgeek> yes, the Desktop Guide is quite complete.
[09:08] <robotgeek> do i have 2 weeks + 10 days as such?
[09:08] <mdke> I don't know
[09:08] <Burgundavia> the delay is not official yet
[09:09] <mdke> it might look weird to have just a few screenshots, I don't know
[09:11] <robotgeek> it's just too much work, and too much is bound to change. work on merging them will become useless there is a UI freeze.
[09:11] <robotgeek> i'll just focus on getting everything in order then
[09:11] <mdke> may that is the best thing
[09:12] <mdke> screenshots are kinda nice, but they are a pain to take in bulk at the end of the cycle, and they will very likely untranslated
[09:13] <robotgeek> i just saw your email on the list
[09:20] <mdke> -> work
[09:21] <robotgeek> bed
[11:25] <mdke> hey trappist
[11:26] <mdke> actually, unping
[01:16] <mdke> bhuvan, how is the serverguide going? are there a lot mroe gaps left?
[01:17] <bhuvan> mdke, going good. few gaps are left
[01:17] <mdke> cool
[01:17] <mdke> will they be filled for next week do you think?
[01:19] <bhuvan> mdke, i guess not
[01:19] <bhuvan> mdke, just imap & email services are pending
[01:19] <bhuvan> mdke, i will to fill the gap if possible
[01:20] <mdke> oh cool
[01:20] <mdke> there is some email material on the wiki, you could use that
[01:20] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[01:20] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailServer
[01:20] <bhuvan> sure i'll check it out
[01:20] <mdke> there are guides for postfix and dovecot
[01:22] <bhuvan> i'll take a look
[04:17] <trappist> robotgeek_zzz: I just figured out what you meant last night.  yeah, I probably should have mentioned that I signed one of my emails just before noticing that the wrong email address was primary in my gpg key.
[04:19] <robotgeek> trappist: how do i change primary keys?
[04:53] <mdke> hey trappist, I added a small section in the desktop guide about that crontab @reboot thing, if you fancy checking it out, that would be cool. You mentioned on -devel that it is a common question
[04:55] <mdke> btw great work on the server guide patches
[05:01] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:04] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i will see if i can copy stuff from the QuickGuide, i think i can
[05:04] <robotgeek> i'm only worried about the screenies, i don't think i can actually change them
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i made some minimal changes early on during flight 3
[05:04] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:04] <jsgotangco> screenshots wouldn't really eat that much time
[05:05] <jsgotangco> since flight 5 kubuntu is out, its possible to update them
[05:05] <mdke> but not translate them
[05:06] <mdke> perhaps that isn't a massive deal tho
[05:06] <jsgotangco> oh translating is out of the question for now if merging two docs
[05:06] <robotgeek> i really like chapter 1 in Quick Guide
[05:07] <jsgotangco> well that's the quick guide thing
[05:07] <jsgotangco> the others are just filler imo
[05:07] <mdke> i thought everyone agreed that merging was a bad idea?
[05:07] <robotgeek> err, chapter 2
[05:07] <robotgeek> mdke: i keep getting tempted :)
[05:07] <jsgotangco> mdke, the kubuntu quick guide has some nice parts that the original quick guide didn't have
[05:07] <robotgeek> shiny pictures
[05:08] <mdke> up to you robotgeek
[05:08] <robotgeek> let me see if i can do somethind today
[05:11] <jsgotangco> robotgeek, if your aim is rosetta, i'd suggest not doing it and instead focus on the original goal
[05:11] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i think i will be done today
[05:11] <jsgotangco> sure :)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> ok i gotta get out, just checked email
[05:12] <jsgotangco> cheers
[05:12] <robotgeek> later jsgotangco
[05:18] <mdke> robotgeek, you've got another week after today, don't fret
[05:22] <robotgeek> mdke: sorry for being so fickle minded
[05:25] <mdke> robotgeek, ?
[05:25] <robotgeek> mdke: about the merging and stuff
[05:26] <robotgeek> i am going to try it and see how much work it actually is.
[05:27] <mdke> robotgeek, i don't see how you are being fickle
[05:27] <robotgeek> mdke: i said yesterday that i won't do it, today i am saying that i will try it
[05:28] <mdke> oh no problem
[05:42] <trappist> robotgeek: you gpg --edit-key, use 'uid' to select the key you want to be primary, then I think you just say 'primary'
[05:43] <robotgeek> yes, figured that out. i made the same mistake too
[05:43] <robotgeek> is there a way to select from kmail the email id to sigh with?
[05:43] <robotgeek> sign
[05:43] <robotgeek> yelp is borked in dapper, sigh
[05:44] <mdke> how?
[05:44] <trappist> you can't select a subkey from a key, that I can tell.  yelp was working for me in dapper last night just fine.
[05:45] <robotgeek> i just dist-upgraded in kubuntu, Depends: libgnomeprint2.2-0 (>= 2.11.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:45] <trappist> oh dependency issues.  tried apt-get install yelp libgnomeprint2.2-0?
[05:46] <mdke> but you can still use it right?
[05:46] <robotgeek> libgnomeprint2.2-0: Depends: libgnomeprint2.2-data (= 2.12.1-0ubuntu1) but 2.12.1-3build1 is to be installed
[05:47] <robotgeek> no, the dist-upgrade removed yelp
[05:47] <trappist> mdke: somebody told me about @reboot years ago and I forgot all about it
[05:47] <mdke> trappist, it's clever. I had no idea about it
[05:48] <trappist> I never would have looked at crontab for that
[05:48] <robotgeek> hey, i am going to steal that too :)
[05:48] <mdke> robotgeek, maybe ping seb128 about it or maybe it is waiting on a build
[05:48] <robotgeek> i'll just boot into breezy
[05:49] <trappist> btw is it an accident that the serverguide is under generic but it builds under the ubuntu dir?
[05:50] <robotgeek> trappist: probably not
[05:50] <mdke> no
[05:50] <mdke> if you want it in blue you can build it under the kubuntu dir too
[05:51] <trappist> was just wondering because when I built I looked for it under generic since that's where the source is
[05:53] <mdke> hmm
[05:53] <mdke> it should tell you where the build is at the end of the process
[05:53] <trappist> network-applications.xml is gonna hit 3000 lines by the end of the day.  anybody think it should be split up?
[05:53] <trappist> mdke: yeah, that's how I found it, but I didn't look first.
[05:54] <mdke> trappist, don't split it up if it is the same chapter
[05:57] <trappist> I wouldn't know how to anyway :)  it's just getting to be a little cumbersome to work with.
[05:57] <mdke> trappist, then again, if you can think of a coherent way to split it into two chapters, that would work
[05:58] <trappist> well I can - not all of it is network applications.  a lot is network configuration, and I think the firewall section could fall under that too.
[05:59] <trappist> also it's probably late in the game to be bringing this up, but we don't have a securityguide?
[05:59] <mdke> what's the difference?
[05:59] <trappist> the difference between network configuration and network applications?
[06:02] <mdke> trappist, yes
[06:02] <mdke> oh you mean network configuration is "connecting to the internet"?
[06:06] <mdke> that would make a bit of a rubbish chapter on its own though
[06:07] <trappist> probably right
[06:09] <mdke> any idea why long lines are truncated here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/configuration.html
[06:10] <mdke> silly idea, IMO
[06:10] <trappist> I agree
[06:11] <Burgwork> somebody was looking for me?
[07:02] <robotgeek> mdke: do you know if kubuntu is going to have a install guide
[07:27] <trappist> doh
[07:27] <trappist> I was just about to get started :)
[07:27] <trappist> too hairy?
[07:27] <robotgeek> trappist: too many small changes, it may be possible if we both work on it.
[07:27] <robotgeek> lemme give you a preview
[07:28] <trappist> you think it's worth it?
[07:29] <robotgeek> trappist: moment, uploading
[07:33] <robotgeek> trappist: http://www.robotgeek.org/kubuntu/merging-web/C/
[07:37] <robotgeek> trappist: havent done much there except split up the chapters
[07:39] <trappist> robotgeek: holy crap you went to uta?  are you still in arlington?
[07:39] <robotgeek> trappist: nope, i moved to jersey 3 weeks ago
[07:39] <robotgeek> why?
[07:39] <trappist> I'm in arlington
[07:39] <robotgeek> trappist: damn!
[07:39] <trappist> haha
[07:39] <trappist> I live off cooper and green oaks
[07:39] <trappist> no kidding :)
[07:40] <robotgeek> i used to live off Yates and Uta Blvd
[07:40] <trappist> is that on campus?
[07:40] <robotgeek> trappist: you do to uta?
[07:40] <robotgeek> yes, that is on campus
[07:41] <trappist> nah, I got through high school by the skin of my teeth and joined the marine corps
[07:41] <LaserJock> lol, we were talking about a Southwest US loco team last night on -devel
[07:42] <LaserJock> the MOTU Science team almost covers it ;-)
[07:42] <robotgeek> trappist: neways, i might come down in may. we will meet then
[07:42] <trappist> robotgeek: and you're a libertarian.  can't believe I missed you!
[07:42] <trappist> be 3 friggin weeks.
[07:42] <robotgeek> heh
[07:43] <trappist> at least I assume so based on your ayn rand fanhood
[07:44] <robotgeek> yeah, someone pointed out to me that i might not be using that word in the correct sense of it or whatever the modern connotation is
[07:46] <LaserJock> robotgeek: so are you done at UTA?
[07:46] <robotgeek> trappist: anways about the docs, it will have to be reviewed again, newer screenshots taken and stuff. let's do it for dapper + 1, lol
[07:46] <trappist> I feel ya dog
[07:46] <robotgeek> LaserJock: done, moved out and stuff
[07:46] <trappist> robotgeek: you ever read esr's stuff?
[07:46] <robotgeek> trappist: yes
[07:47] <LaserJock> robotgeek: I'm envious ;-)
[07:47] <trappist> that's pretty much my brand of libertarian
[07:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: now i need to find a job, heh. which is why i have so much time on my hands
[07:48] <robotgeek> trappist: kkhatman lives in dallas
[07:50] <trappist> I recognize that nick.  I think.
[07:50] <robotgeek> trappist: yes, he contributed a section to the KDG
[07:50] <trappist> robotgeek: what's in jersey? we might have something for you here in keller if you're not unpacked yet :)
[07:51] <robotgeek> trappist: nothing in jersey. my sister offered rent free living while i look for jobs
[07:51] <trappist> free rent is nice
[07:52] <robotgeek> trappist: maybe we should go to /msg ?
[07:52] <trappist> good call
[07:55] <trappist> robotgeek: can you not hear me in /msg?
[07:55] <robotgeek> nope
[07:55] <trappist> oh freenode is telling me to register.  and I'm registered.  lemme check it out...
[08:13] <Burgwork> anybody want to help me with some docbook?
[08:13] <Burgwork> http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.12/press_release/docbook/C/press_release.xml?rev=1.16&view=markup
[08:13] <Burgwork> make this wiki page http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirteen/PressRelease into docbook, ala the above link
[08:15] <trappist> Burgwork: it looks pretty decent in yelp
[08:16] <Burgwork> think you can do the docbook conversion?
[08:17] <trappist> well I'm a docbook newbie, but if I download pressrelease.xml it looks an awful lot like docbook
[08:19] <Burgwork> grab the text from the wiki page I mentioned
[08:19] <Burgwork> and copy it into docbook
[08:20] <trappist> oh, at first glance they looked to be the same doc... yeah I'll give it a shot.  it'll help me flex my puny docbook muscles.
[08:21] <Burgwork> it is a pretty easy conversion
[08:21] <Burgwork> simply copy text
[08:27] <trappist> I assume the draft and embargo business should be omitted?
[08:29] <trappist> and that typos should be corrected? :) (like "Some the key new features")
[08:40] <Burgwork> trappist, yes
[09:04] <mdke> robotgeek, re installguide, no idea. but the installer has documentation onboard
[09:04] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, just wanted to add a section after "getting kubuntu"
[09:05] <mdke> robotgeek, sounds reasonable. Maybe explain there are 2 install methods (live cd and install cd), and give a brief description or something
[09:05] <robotgeek> yes. i'll look for documentation on that, and copy paste it in :)
[09:07] <mdke> heh
[09:07] <Burgwork> trappist, how are you doing?
[09:07] <mdke> Burgwork, what are you up to?
[09:08] <trappist> Burgwork: it's coming along pretty well between work-related interruptions
[09:08] <Burgwork> mdke, I am getting trappist to covert the gnome 2.14 press release to docbook
[09:08] <mdke> Burgwork, how come?
[09:08] <Burgwork> because I don't have the time and it needs to be done by eob today
[09:09] <mdke> right, but what is it for?
[09:09] <Burgwork> press release for GNOME 2.14
[09:09] <mdke> right, but why in docbook?
[09:09] <Burgwork> so it can be translated
[09:10] <mdke> ah
[09:10] <mdke> the release notes are probably in docbook
[09:10] <Burgwork> yes
[09:11] <mdke> if you ask in #docs on the gnome channel, you can get some help from the gnome guys I guess
[09:11] <Burgwork> gnome builds all their entire website out of cvs
[09:13] <mdke> even more of a reason to ask the gnome guys to help
[09:13] <Burgwork> the press release is pretty simple docbook
[09:14] <Burgwork> mostly it is just copy pasting text
[09:14] <trappist> I'm almost done with this work stuff, and the docbook conversion is going quickly otherwise.  I should be done shortly.
[09:15] <Burgwork> plus it is a good way for trappist to get his feet wet with docbook
[09:15] <mdke> haha
[09:15] <mdke> trappist, don't listen to him, he's just avoiding learning docbook himself :D
[09:16] <Burgwork> I know docbook. I just don't like it and avoid it
[09:17] <trappist> I don't know it so well.  when I do I'll likely avoid it too.  sorta like python :)
[09:20] <Burgwork> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/Desktop
[09:20] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't mind docbook and I really like python
[09:20] <Burgwork> mdke, ^ that is going to go at /desktop eventually
[09:20] <mdke> Burgwork, right
[09:21] <Burgwork> feel free to edit
[09:22] <mdke> ok
[09:23] <Burgwork> it is actually that I am a lazy sob and really want other people to do my work
[09:24] <mdke> I'm behind on your book
[09:24] <mdke> but I'll look at some stage
[09:25] <mdke> Burgwork, what is the intended style of that page, language-wise?
[09:26] <Burgwork> light fluffy feature/value intro to Ubuntu on the desktop
[09:27] <mdke> i would simplify the language a bit to ensure that non-native English speakers can get on well with it
[09:27] <Burgwork> sure
[09:27] <Burgwork> It is mostly just a copy of the quicktour at this point
[09:27] <mdke> yeah
[09:28] <mdke> there is some material on the flash thing page
[09:29] <Burgwork> hmm, forgot about that page
[09:50] <trappist> Burgwork: http://tra.ppi.st/pressrelease.xml
[09:51] <Burgwork> trappist, excellent! thanks so much
[09:51] <trappist> np
[11:15] <mdke_> yay for Riddell
[11:15] <robotgeek> awesome.
[11:16] <mdke_> robotgeek, you can use xincludes in the DG once I commit the changes tomorrow
[11:16] <robotgeek> mdke_: that will help in what way though?
[11:16] <mdke_> it will help for translating. But also, it will mean that there will be one target for each doc in the Makefile, instead of 3. And new contributors won't need to learn two ways of doing things.
[11:17] <robotgeek> :)
[11:17] <mdke_> xincludes are good
[11:17] <mdke_> ok, -> bed
[11:17] <robotgeek> i'll take your word for it :)
[11:17] <robotgeek> night mdke_


[09:15] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:33] <markjones> shwmae
[11:42] <brobostigon> helo markjones :)
[11:43] <markjones> i'm testing out a new IRC client
[11:43] <markjones> :)
[11:43] <brobostigon> ah, which one/
[11:43] <brobostigon> ?
[11:43] <markjones> LmeChat for OSX
[11:43] <brobostigon> ah, never heard of it.
[11:45] <markjones> it's nice
[11:45] <markjones> my Mac is now not being taxed by an app that is 5 years old
[11:47] <markjones> what's also nice is there are now keyboard shortcuts :)
[11:48] <markjones> ooh, and scrollback
[11:50] <brobostigon> :)
[11:54] <markjones> I discovered today that we need to change the Ubuntu-Cym logo
[11:54] <markjones> but I can't re-colour it
[11:54] <markjones> i can add a simple extension
[12:03] <brobostigon> ah.
[22:00] <brobostigon> nos da, everyone, sleep well.
[22:22] <markjones> ianto: ti'n presennol?