[20:29] <RFleming> ok, not that much :)
[20:29] <[Gentoo]> i know newer ones are a lot faster but i dont need it that fast
[20:29] <RFleming> ssd's will soon be the only option.
[20:29] <[Gentoo]> yeah
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> one day
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> hdds will be like vhs
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> or theyl bring out something beter than ssds
[20:30] <lorddune> all things being equal, should I load my OS from the HDD with the partial SSD or the other one or makes no difference
[20:30] <k1l> lorddune: no it doesnt. and ssds have same time to death ratio as regular hdds have
[20:30] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: the good one
[20:30] <RFleming> lorddune, the problems with ssd's in the past were how they failed.  Some were really unreliable, some still are.  If you align your partitions right, and do proper maintenance, then you're golden
[20:31] <feanor> hey, I need some help with c++ (maybe on priv) anyone?
[20:31] <[Gentoo]> you dont have to do much by default now on linux for an ssd
[20:31] <lorddune> RFleming: thanks.
[20:31] <RFleming> maybe throw in discard in /etc/fstab, or run an fstrim cron job, and you're set
[20:31] <Pici> feanor: try ##c++ (you'll need to be registered and identifted to join, see #freenode for help on that)
[20:32] <[Gentoo]> RFleming: discard isnt always needed
[20:32] <[Gentoo]> most ssds do a similar thing by themselves
[20:32] <RFleming> lorddune, I tend to have machines with large amounts of RAM, so I usually mount /tmp and /var/tmp into tmpfs
[20:32] <lorddune> RFleming: yeah I tweaked the journaling years ago when I installed this HDD but not a computer junkie
[20:32] <[Gentoo]>  /tmp is normally mounted tmpfs nowadays
[20:33] <[Gentoo]> and some FS automatically detect ssds on mkfs
[20:33] <RFleming> I also reduce swappiness and vfs cache pressure, without ill affect
[20:33] <kewlness> I am having a version issue with python-pip though apt tells me it is up to date - could somebody provide the heroic assist? :) Details here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223418/
[20:33] <lorddune> i dont even know when this HDD started going bad actually
[20:34] <RFleming> lorddune, if you're getting SMART bad sector alerts, it isn't the SDD part :)
[20:34] <fommil> if anybody has any ideas about my imagemagick question, I've also placed it on SO: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/123802
[20:34] <lorddune> well that's the thing though RFleming . I can acces most of the HDD, but SMART cannot even see the HDD anymore
[20:35] <RFleming> controller
[20:35] <lorddune> RFleming: so not sure if the HDD is actually bad or if the root is corrupt
[20:35] <eternally_on> Can a .vdi be used to boot up in roughly the same manner as a LiveDisk?  Somewhat newb with Linux, still learning a lot.
[20:36] <RFleming> lorddune, on a livecd, can you see the drive?
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: what signs are there of it going bad?
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> eternally_on: yes
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> eternally_on: you have to convert it to raw
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> img file
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> then dd it to a disk
[20:36] <eternally_on> dd?
[20:36] <[Gentoo]> yes copy to drive
[20:36] <lorddune> RFleming: and [Gentoo] the computer takes eons to load
[20:37] <RFleming> lorddune, from a livecd?
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: make sure all the hardware will work
[20:37] <[Gentoo]> like if you installed drivers etc on the .vdi
[20:38] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] yes, it's OK from a live cd load. did a memtest, it's fine, BIOS looks fine. HDD not accessible from livecd
[20:38] <RFleming> lorddune, then the disk is dead
[20:38] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: does it show up in fdisk -l?
[20:39] <RFleming> gparted should at least see the disk
[20:39] <[Gentoo]> yeah
[20:39] <lorddune> RFleming: no, it's not. i can still copy and write to that HDD
[20:39] <eternally_on> Gentoo:  Could the Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu 12.04 be used to put the image on a flashdrive once it's converted to raw?
[20:39] <[Gentoo]> eternally_on: no idea
[20:39] <[Gentoo]> you're better off dd'ing the img to the drive
[20:39] <RFleming> eternally_on, I believe the SDC can create a liveusb image of your system
[20:40] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] I was fiddling around with root repair last night
[20:40] <RFleming> lorddune, I'm with [Gentoo] on this.  DD the failing drive either to a file, or another disk
[20:41] <RFleming> lorddune, sudo apt-get install pastebinit && fdisk -l | pastebinit
[20:41] <RFleming> (from livecd)
[20:42]  * cce7 updated to today's trusty beta, and my 3-display orientation settings arn't sticking.  Am I missing something?
[20:42] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] the problem I have is my cload and portable HD have no room left at all. I want to make sure of my procedures installing the new HDD so I don't lose the old stuff.
[20:43] <RFleming> !ubuntu+1 | cce7
[20:43] <cce7> ok!
[20:43] <cce7> (thank you kindly)
[20:43] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: im confused..
[20:43] <RFleming> cce7, you're welcome!
[20:44] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: me too, that's why I am here
[20:44] <RFleming> lorddune, you might need another disk :)
[20:44] <eternally_on> So I have this .vdi in a .bz2, which if I think I know what I'm talking about is type of compressed archive, correct?  And then within this .bz2, alongside the .vdi are other .vbox and .vbox-prev files.  Would I need to convert these as well or just convert the .vdi into a raw image?
[20:44] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: so what disk do you need to install the OS to?
[20:44] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: and has that disk got partitions?
[20:44] <[Gentoo]> that you need
[20:44] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] I bought a new HDD to install. Want to make sure I don't brick the other one though.
[20:44] <ubuNoob> Gentoo
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: why would you brick it
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: so you want to install the os to the new drive?
[20:45] <ubuNoob> Gentoo clonezilla USB or DVD? my use is 500GB and dvd is only 4.7GB
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> if so why is there a problem
[20:45] <RFleming> [Gentoo], problem 1. lorddune has a failing disk.  Problem 2. New disk is smaller than failing disk.  Problem 3. lorddune doesn't have any other disks he can dump an image of his failing disk to.
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> ubuNoob: eh?
[20:45] <[Gentoo]> RFleming: ok
[20:45] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: the last time I had a drive fail like this, I powered down the PC, put in the new HDD and the old one was toast when I fired it back up
[20:46] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: how big is the failing drive>?
[20:46] <RFleming> lorddune, so you have already copied everything off the failing drive?
[20:46] <[Gentoo]> and how big is the new empty drive
[20:46] <RFleming> [Gentoo], 2TB
[20:46] <usr13> RFleming: Sounds like lorddune  has one too many problems.
[20:46] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: 2TB
[20:46] <[Gentoo]> and the new one?
[20:46] <RFleming> [Gentoo], 1TB
[20:46] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: 1TB
[20:46] <ubuNoob> Gentoo for clonezilla
[20:47] <RFleming> lorddune, you happen to have any 2TB disks lying around?
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: and you cant access the new drive?
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> the old one i mean
[20:47] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: i barely have 200 gig of data though
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> well what is the output of fdisk -l
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> paste it
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> please
[20:47] <RFleming> lorddune,  fdisk -l | pastebinit
[20:47] <[Gentoo]> if you can try to mount it if its seen then we can see an error
[20:48] <lorddune> I am on the computer
[20:48] <lorddune> how am I gonna live disk without rebooting
[20:48] <[Gentoo]> if it mounts then its good
[20:48] <RFleming> [Gentoo], he's afraid to turn his system off and boot from livecd in the event the disk doesn't come back up
[20:48] <[Gentoo]> so hes on the failing disk now?
[20:48] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] EXACTLY!!
[20:48] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: yup
[20:48] <[Gentoo]> ok
[20:48] <[Gentoo]> easy then
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> partition the new disk
[20:49] <usr13> ubuNoob: Have you started the install yet?
[20:49] <ubuNoob> Gentoo u recommanded clonezille
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> rsync your current in use system straight over
[20:49] <ubuNoob> usr13 i am still trying to back up
[20:49] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: no, the HDD is still in the box in the bag from MicroCenter lol
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> is it sata?
[20:49] <usr13> ubuNoob: Backup what ___________?
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> i think theyre plug and play
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> never tried it though
[20:49] <[Gentoo]> try it
[20:49] <RFleming> lorddune, it'll be fine
[20:50] <ubuNoob> usr13 i need to Convert Dynamic Disk to Basic
[20:50] <usr13> ubuNoob: _________MY Documents _________?
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: but yes it should be fine
[20:50] <ubuNoob> usr13 so i need to back it up first
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: why do you think its gona break on reboot?
[20:50] <lorddune> RFleming: [Gentoo] maybe I can be reaaaaaal careful and install the HDD with power on (just kidding)
[20:50] <usr13> ubuNoob: Just copy the files to a USB drive.
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: thats what i meant
[20:50] <[Gentoo]> lorddune: i heard it works on sata i could be wrong
[20:51] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: the last time I lost a drive like this and installed a new OS, the other HDD was unreadable
[20:51] <[Gentoo]> i wouldnt be so paranoid
[20:51] <[Gentoo]> but
[20:51] <AR0W> heyo
[20:51] <[Gentoo]> like i said just rsync it all over while running
[20:52] <[Gentoo]> get the same result either way
[20:52] <[Gentoo]> rsync -vaHAX --exclude {/proc,/sys} /newpartition
[20:52] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: OK. Paranoia is good though
[20:52] <[Gentoo]> --exclude all dirs you dont want
[20:53] <usr13> ubuNoob: Everything you need to backup is more-than-likely in My Documents, so just copy the whole directory to the USB drive.
[20:53] <[Gentoo]> like proc sys mnt/* etc
[20:53] <RFleming> lorddune, sata is hotswap.  When putting the new drive on your board, apply power first, then the SATA cable
[20:53] <lorddune> [Gentoo]: RFleming thanks a lot, might check in later and let you know what happens
[20:53] <RFleming> ubuntu should detect the change, then you rsync it
[20:54] <ubuNoob> usr13 okay am doing it now thanks again
[20:54] <lorddune> RFleming: really, you can do that without messing up the boards?
[20:54] <RFleming> lorddune, you'll still need a new drive to install ubuntu though
[20:54] <RFleming> lorddune, you're one drive short.
[20:54] <[Gentoo]> RFleming: no because partition
[20:54] <RFleming> lorddune, yeah, yes you can.
[20:54] <[Gentoo]> hes using 200gb
[20:54] <[Gentoo]> which leaves 800 for ubuntu lol
[20:55] <RFleming> [Gentoo], his system partition is only 200GB on a 2TB drive?
[20:55] <[Gentoo]> he said hes only using 200gb of it
[20:55] <[Gentoo]> the disk
[20:55] <lorddune> yeah my system partition on that drive was basically the entire drive
[20:56] <[Gentoo]> im too tired for this lol
[20:56] <lorddune> I had another HDD that fried was 500 gig and a 1 TB external
[20:56] <lorddune> so never had any storage or backup issues
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> so the amount of data you need to back up is more than 1TB?
[20:57] <lorddune> nooo
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> o ok
[20:57] <lorddune> under 200 gig
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> you could have had this all done by now lol
[20:57] <lorddune> yeah i am procrastinating
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> try plugging the new drive in see if it works
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> if it dont
[20:57] <lorddune> LOOL
[20:57] <RFleming> lorddune, do you happen to have 200GB on another drive other than the 1TB drive you bought?
[20:57] <[Gentoo]> then you havent got a choice but to reboot anyway
[20:58] <lorddune> let me check
[20:59] <lorddune> no, don't have room
[20:59] <[Gentoo]> there is honestly nothing else to say as they are your only 2 options
[20:59] <RFleming> lorddune, which is more important, the data on that drive, or the data on your failing drive? :)
[20:59] <lorddune> all of the partitions are too small, 200 gig or so and I have loads of info on each partition
[20:59]  * eliasps is away: I'm away or busy, leave a message and I'll get back to you.
[20:59] <RFleming> lorddune, you may need to make some sacrifices :)
[20:59]  * eliasps is back (gone 00:00:16)
[20:59] <RFleming> lorddune, or go buy a 1TB external drive :)
[21:00] <lorddune> all of my desktop files I saved.
[21:00] <lorddune> work stuff is saved
[21:00] <RFleming> lorddune, if it's all saved, then why are we having this discussion? :)
[21:00] <lorddune> I'll lose countless games thats about it
[21:01] <lorddune> RFleming: was asking advice about OS
[21:01] <k1l> !away > eliasps
[21:01] <lorddune> RFleming: should I install 12.04 LTS again or just update now to the new HDD
[21:01] <RFleming> lorddune, so if this disk failed would you be upset?
[21:02] <lorddune> RFleming: not at all, I am mailing it back to Segate as it has another 2 years warranty
[21:02] <RFleming> lorddune, you could always get 14.04 LTS
[21:02] <RFleming> it isn't officially released yet, but it's pretty damned stable
[21:02] <Stryker13X> Hello. How are you? anyone ever heard of the proprietary chicken application?
[21:02] <lorddune> i wasn't sure if you could install later versions and still go backwards for like backups.....
[21:03] <k1l> !ot | Stryker13X
[21:03] <Stryker13X> okay sorry
[21:03] <lorddune> so a backup for 12.04 LTS can be seen by 14 LTS?
[21:03] <RFleming> lorddune, are you referring to say deja-dup?
[21:04] <RFleming> lorddune, or did you backup a different method?
[21:04] <lorddune> RFleming: no, Backup as in Backup from Ubuntu
[21:04] <RFleming> isn't backup deja-dup?
[21:05] <RFleming> or was it different in 12.04 LTS?
[21:05] <lorddune> RFleming: It's called "Backup" on my version of Ubuntu
[21:05] <RFleming> can you go to a terminal
[21:05] <lorddune> RFleming: has a safe icon or whatever
[21:05] <lorddune> sure, yeah have a terminal open
[21:07] <ubuNoob> usr13 how long will u be online for?
[21:07] <ubuNoob> usr13 my document files/folders gonna take a few mins
[21:08] <lorddune> RFleming: oh, you are talking about Ubuntu One
[21:08] <RFleming> lorddune, try apt-get -s install deja-dup
[21:08] <lorddune> RFleming: I have that
[21:08] <RFleming> that's what you used for backup :)
[21:08] <lorddune> RFleming: I use a different backup I guess
[21:08] <RFleming> no, Ubuntu calls deja-dup backup
[21:09] <lorddune> RFleming: the one I use maybe came with Ubuntu Tweak or something
[21:09] <RFleming> lorddune, no... they call deja-dup Backups
[21:09] <lorddune> RFleming: yeah, I have a file backed up on Ubuntu One called Deja-Dup
[21:09] <RFleming> that program only backed up your home directory, not the OS
[21:10] <lorddune> RFleming: deja dup is a small file
[21:10] <RFleming> lorddune, some of the config files might not match, but yeah you can use your old backup on a new os install
[21:10] <RFleming> lorddune, where did you run your backup to?
[21:10] <lorddune> RFleming: the other program I use to backup is a backup for everything (that I selected)
[21:11] <lorddune> RFleming: cool. I can burn a new disc for 14 LTS if needed
[21:11] <RFleming> lorddune, it's still in 'beta'
[21:11] <lorddune> RFleming: the only install disc I have burned was penguin though
[21:12] <RFleming> pangolin? :)
[21:12] <lorddune> RFleming: I actually might go back to penguin
[21:12] <lorddune> RFleming: never had one problem with that OS
[21:12] <lolcat> hello
[21:12] <lorddune> RFleming: started having problems with 12.04 actually
[21:12] <lolcat> is ubuntu 14.04 terribly slow at booting?
[21:12] <agostin> hello everybody,which are applications that i need in Ubuntu
[21:12] <RFleming> lorddune, good luck in your adventure! :)
[21:13] <lorddune> rf RFleming hahaha THANKS
[21:13] <RFleming> lolcat, no :)
[21:13] <lorddune> RFleming: I'll be back in a few hours or a few days one way or another!!
[21:13] <RFleming> agostin, whichever programs you need.
[21:13] <lolcat> RFleming: It seems to use like 4 times as long as 13.10
[21:13] <RFleming> I dunno...
[21:13] <RFleming> !ubuntu+1 | lolcat
[21:13] <lolcat> Maybe lvm is crap
[21:13] <lorddune> RFleming: good theng we got tablets and phones for work nowadays too!!
[21:13] <RFleming> maybe they can help you out
[21:14] <RFleming> lorddune, haha, yeah.
[21:14] <DoomBoom> is the package libbullet-dev missing a header file? http://pastebin.com/PT1NQXKn
[21:14] <lorddune> RFleming: thanks again, i appreciate your time very much. you too gentoo
[21:14] <k1l> agostin: just use ubuntu, and if you need a program see in software center if there is something for you. every user got other "important" programs
[21:14] <lorddune> RFleming: tell gentoo I said thanks if you see him later, he's offline
[21:14] <agostin> thnx
[21:14] <OerHeks> lolcat install bootchart to see what is taking so long?
[21:15] <OerHeks> !bootchart
[21:15] <OerHeks> after the next reboot = after every reboot :-D
[21:15] <RFleming> lorddune, will do... if I remember :)
[21:16] <lolcat> OerHeks: fancy
[21:16] <lolcat> OerHeks: I like it when reboot is quicker than taking a zip of coffe
[21:17] <longbonglungfish> hello all, i'm a xubuntu user (13.10) and am having a very obnoxious issue with a particular website that i need to access for an m.a. program. the website is as follows; https://websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu/graduate/ the issue is that whether i'm using midori, firefox or even the internal browser of rssowl, the site will never load, unless i fully disable javascript in the browser. this is highly problematic, as in or
[21:17] <longbonglungfish> der for me to utilize the site, i must have javascript enabled. i asked a friend who runs os x to test out the site, and it loads and works fine for him, with javascript enabled. another person tested it out under puppy linux and had similar success. i brought this issue to the xubuntu specific forum and much to my chagrin, people there didn't seem to understand that javascript is not java, and they were of very li
[21:17] <longbonglungfish> ttle help, which is why i'm asking around here. can anyone tell me what might be causing this issue and how to remedy it? please let me know and many thanks in advance.
[21:17] <OerHeks> longbonglungfish, try chrome or chromium too, i like chrome best
[21:18] <hexacode> anyone know the best online tutorial for what linux is....explained to a windows user who's beginning to learn OOP concepts.
[21:18] <DoomBoom> longbonglungfish: Hmm... yeah it doesn't load for me either when I enable js
[21:18] <DoomBoom> also on xubuntu
[21:19] <DoomBoom> must be something weird going on in that code
[21:19] <katsumeblisk> hexacode: OOP (if you mean Object Oriented Programming) has nothing to do with knowing how to use Linux. :)
[21:19] <longbonglungfish> holy cow doomboom! that at-least makes me feel a little better.
[21:19] <RFleming> longbonglungfish, using xubuntu 14.04, I could load that site... took nearly 5 minutes on a 100Mbps uplink, but it loaded
[21:19] <Beldar> longbonglungfish, Try a addon like user agent switcher in FF, have it read as another browser.
[21:19] <RFleming> longbonglungfish, Oh, on Chrome
[21:19] <Beldar> like IE
[21:19] <longbonglungfish> 5 minutes. what is wrong with that site!?
[21:20] <RFleming> longbonglungfish, CS used as labour, is my guess
[21:20] <RFleming> first year ones at that :)
[21:20] <RFleming> probably was a group project for 40% of their mark
[21:20] <longbonglungfish> hahahah. man oh man. mine has been loading for over 20 minutes now.
[21:20] <Beldar> longbonglungfish, My college changed their OS in this area while I was there, both had some problem or another with linux.
[21:21] <DoomBoom> what Beldar suggested is a good idea, if it's not loading because it gets stuck on an unexpected os/browser combination or something that could fix it
[21:21] <longbonglungfish> hmm... i'll try it out with a different user agent. maybe it'll load faster.
[21:22] <k1l> longbonglungfish: in chromium it just shows a white page and loads. but when i press the stop button it shows most of the site
[21:22] <Beldar> longbonglungfish, I don't think linux access is on the minds of the developers on these .edu systems, hehe.
[21:22] <RFleming> ROFL
[21:22] <RFleming> that site is OOOOLD
[21:23] <RFleming> Browser requirements: IE6+, Netscape 6+, FF 1.0+, Safari 1.2+
[21:23] <DoomBoom> I don't think the code has been updated recently
[21:23] <RFleming> DoomBoom, it it ain't broke...
[21:23] <longbonglungfish> boy oh boy. okay, it finally loaded in firefox. let's see how long logging in takes. i'm also trying to access it under midori with chromium as a user agent, still loading.
[21:24] <RFleming> longbonglungfish, try safari as a user agent
[21:25] <RFleming> or IE
[21:26] <skinux> Where can set UBUNTU_MENUPROXY to automatically be set to 0, globally?
[21:26] <skinux> I'm guessing it wouldn't be xinit
[21:26] <RFleming> skinux, eclipse?
[21:27] <longbonglungfish> alright. switched it to safari and am attempting again. chrome ua didn't seem to make a difference. i can't understand why a site would take hundreds of times longer to load on an up to dated ubuntu box than on my buddy's piece of crap mac running tiger.
[21:27] <skinux> No...I was thinking setting it globally, so that all app menus would be inside apps instead of inside Ubuntu's top bar.
[21:28] <RFleming> longbonglungfish, try changing the OS to Windows or MacOS
[21:28] <longbonglungfish> shoulda thought of that. alright. will do.
[21:29] <k1l> longbonglungfish: i think the issue is more based on that site and not on the OS
[21:30] <RFleming> skinux, can that not be set in Ubuntu Tweak?
[21:30] <RFleming> err unity tweak
[21:30] <RFleming> sorry... I use xubuntu
[21:32] <longbonglungfish> ah ha! do you think it could be that the site has both ssl v2 and ssl v3 enabled (http://foundeo.com/products/iis-weak-ssl-ciphers/test.cfm?test_domain=websql.brooklyn.cuny.edu)?
[21:32] <CapsAdmn> i have some issues with BitSync, i know it's not really related to ubuntu but the error is "device time difference is more than 600"
[21:32] <CapsAdmn> initially the time was off by 2 hours
[21:32] <greek> I've got a web application running on a dedicated LAMP server. I've just purchase a 2nd server, and my intention is to make it a hot standby. I know how to use rsync to ensure the application layer is identical on both servers, and I also know how to setup replication so that the database layer is synchronised. What I'm curious about is how to actually handle the hot switch (not sure how else to phrase it).
[21:32] <CapsAdmn> i set it to oslo (we have daylight savings)
[21:33] <longbonglungfish> cause changing the os in the user agent doesn't seem to help :\
[21:34] <CapsAdmn> i read something about this on stackoverflow or something and changed the utc thing in the shell by writing to a file i forgot
[21:34] <CapsAdmn> which did change the time and all but i'm still getting the error in that program so im thinking maybe the problem is somewhere else
[21:35] <Node_514> how do i install the java .tar.gz?
[21:35] <Node_514> ubuntu is more of a pain then windows, I only use it cause i'm a hipster
[21:35] <k1l> Node_514: that sort of comments are unnecessary
[21:35] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: Do you need the runtime or the jdk?
[21:36] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: Both are in the repos
[21:36] <Node_514> i need the one for firefox
[21:36] <k1l> Node_514: to isntall java install the java packages form ubuntu repos. dont load stuff from any site, that is bad windows habbits
[21:36] <k1l> !java | Node_514
[21:36] <Node_514> "java
[21:36] <Node_514> !java
[21:36] <longbonglungfish> well, thanks guys for at-least confirming that the site is problematic on your machines. it's literally the only site i've had problems with since i ditched os x. hopefully the webmaster 'ell get around to fixing it or there won't be a problem with it in 14.04.
[21:37] <Node_514> that's a dead giveaway that i use dvorak
[21:37] <skinux> RFlemming: Didn't think of that
[21:37] <mojtaba> Hi, I am going to configure my openvpn following this instructions: http://www.tecmint.com/install-openvpn-in-debian/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecmint+%28Tecmint%3A+Linux+Howto%27s+Guide%29     The problem is that, in the last step, I get following error: [FAIL] Starting virtual private network daemon: openvpn failed!
[21:38] <mojtaba> Does anybody know what should I do?
[21:39] <k1l> !away | tinoco-away
[21:39] <riccgava> qualche italiano online?
[21:39] <k1l> !it | riccgava
[21:41] <Node_514> i already have java, but it doesn't work on firefox
[21:43] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: Make sure it's not disabled. Java is insecure so some browsers disable it by default
[21:44] <AR0W> anyone tried to build a windows 8 usb key from ubuntu ?
[21:44] <daftykins> not gonna happen
[21:45] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: What kind? Windows to Go or just the installer?
[21:45] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: Installer is easy. Just use dd
[21:45] <AR0W> katsumeblisk: installer
[21:45] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: Look up dd
[21:45] <AR0W> katsumeblisk: ive used dd
[21:45] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: Then what's the issue?
[21:45] <AR0W> not starting
[21:45] <AR0W> UEFI
[21:45] <daftykins> it doesn't work like that.
[21:45] <katsumeblisk> I've used dd, but I have UEFI disabled.
[21:46] <AR0W> formated it in ntfs
[21:46] <AR0W> setted as boot flag on gparted
[21:46] <AR0W> dd if= of =........
[21:46] <AR0W> not booting uefi nor legacy
[21:46] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: I had mine formatted as FAT32
[21:47] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: That's probably why
[21:47] <AR0W> this damn shitt is driven me crazy as hell
[21:47] <daftykins> yeah UEFI only reads FAT
[21:47] <AR0W> gonna try in FAT
[21:47] <katsumeblisk> Except external drives, I always just use FAT32 for the most compatibility.
[21:47] <katsumeblisk> USB devices^^
[21:47] <AR0W> file size is a prob for me
[21:47] <daftykins> AR0W: first off, keep the language family friendly. second, coming in an #ubuntu support channel for a Windows query is a tad odd.
[21:47] <AR0W> daftykins: sorry
[21:48] <katsumeblisk> AR0W: How is file size a problem? You're writing the image, not copying it.
[21:48] <AR0W> daftykins: its not a windows query, since its on ubuntu
[21:48] <daftykins> do you really want to argue that? :)
[21:48] <Oog> ive done aptitude update/upgrde but my openssl still isnt udpated to fix heartbleed - advice?
[21:48] <audreyslutjuice> any tmux powerline users here?
[21:48] <katsumeblisk> Oog: What version is it?
[21:49] <AR0W> daftykins: i don t want to argue nothing, i m here to ask for help, if you want help if not kick or don t respond
[21:49] <katsumeblisk> Oog: That you have installed
[21:49] <daftykins> AR0W: drop the attitude
[21:49] <Oog> 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
[21:49] <k1l> Oog: ubuntu doesnt give a new version number but includes a patch
[21:49] <katsumeblisk> Oog: What version of Ubuntu?
[21:49] <daftykins> Oog: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[21:49] <katsumeblisk> Oog: I'm guessing everything but 14.04 doesn't have the updated version number
[21:49] <k1l> Oog: what ubuntu do you have exactly and what package number is openssl ?
[21:49] <katsumeblisk> THanks daftykins
[21:49] <Oog> k1l: how can i find that
[21:50] <skinux> Why does Crash reporter not allow copying of detail information?
[21:50] <katsumeblisk> Oog: You're fine
[21:50] <k1l> Oog: "lsb_release -a"
[21:50] <katsumeblisk> Oog: According to that link
[21:50] <Oog> ubuntu 13.10
[21:50] <unstable> What is the best way to do desktop sharing from my ubuntu machine to a mac machine?
[21:50] <unstable> the closest thing to join.me
[21:50] <katsumeblisk> unstable: Probably VNC
[21:51] <Oog> i saw taht page said 1.01.e but i read openssl wasnt fixed until the g version
[21:51] <Node_514> i don't geti t
[21:51] <jwm224> I converted mkv files to mp4 files, and they still won't play on my xbox. What went wrong? I used tranmageddon to do the conversion. they play on ubuntu.
[21:51] <RFleming> Oog, that's wrong
[21:51] <katsumeblisk> Oog: That's only for rolling release distros
[21:51] <Node_514> get it
[21:51] <k1l> Oog: "apt-cache show openssl" will give you the version number
[21:51] <RFleming> Oog, run 'dpkg-query -W libssl1.0.0' and make sure the version listed is at least the following:  For 13.10: 1.0.1e-3ubuntu1.2    For 12.10: 1.0.1c-3ubuntu2.7    For 12.04: 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12    See http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/ and http://www.heartbleed.com/ for more details.
[21:51] <Node_514> I Have java so I can play minecraft, but firefox doesn't even know it's there
[21:51] <Node_514> can't even activate it
[21:51] <daftykins> audreyslutjuice: the likelihood of that is very low. do you have an ubuntu support question related to it?
[21:51] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: Did you look in settings under the plugin stuff like I said?
[21:52] <k1l> Oog: please read the updated news. ubuntu did patch the security issue but didnot include a new version number
[21:52] <Node_514> i did
[21:52] <Node_514> java isn't even in the list
[21:52] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: Then you don't have it installed
[21:52] <Oog> thanks it does seem updated
[21:52] <katsumeblisk> Node_514: or you need to restart Firefox if you just installed it.
[21:52] <Node_514> but i can play minecraft
[21:52] <Panter|Linux> hey i got a problem with my ubuntu install
[21:52] <daftykins> Node_514: there are plenty of guides online how to get it working. you need to symlink the plugin file to firefox's plugins directory
[21:52] <daftykins> Panter|Linux: ask with detail on one line please
[21:53] <mojtaba> 05:37:55 PM - mojtaba: Hi, I am going to configure my openvpn following this instructions: http://www.tecmint.com/install-openvpn-in-debian/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecmint+%28Tecmint%3A+Linux+Howto%27s+Guide%29 The problem is that, in the last step, I get following error: [FAIL] Starting virtual private network daemon: openvpn failed!
[21:53] <mojtaba> 05:38:07 PM - mojtaba: Does anybody know what should I do?
[21:53] <RFleming> Oog, OpenSSL is still the same version, what they did was compile a new version of libssl1.0.0 which openssl depends on.  It has the different version number, where openssl is the same ole one.
[21:53] <jwm224> I converted mkv files to mp4 files, and they still won't play on my xbox. What went wrong? I used tranmageddon to do the conversion. they play on ubuntu. Anyone know what direction or action I should take?
[21:53] <Panter|Linux> daftykins,  ok np well i have an cyborg r.a.t 5 mouse if i plug it in and open up a screen ie webbrowser the mouse buttons stop working and if i unplug it and use my laptops touchpad it keeps working
[21:53] <katsumeblisk> jwm224: I don't think that's really an Ubuntu specific problem.
[21:53] <RFleming> Oog, if you were to run openssl version -a, you'd see it was built yesterday.
[21:54] <Oog> RFleming: cool i see thanks
[21:54] <surfergirl_> .
[21:55] <daftykins> Panter|Linux: i think there are guides online regarding that mouse
[21:55] <jwm224> This is the first time on here. Is there a better place to ask the question? I'm using Ubuntu to transfer files from mkv to mp4.
[21:55] <surfergirl_> is it possible to dd select os folders to a usb hard drive (e.g
[21:55] <Panter|Linux> ok daftykins  ty i will try and search them :) ty
[21:55] <RFleming> !ot > jwm224
[21:56] <RFleming> surfergirl_, no... you'd be better off using rsync
[21:56] <Oog> now that ive updated do i need to do anything else? restart all my services? is there any reason to update nginx for example?
[21:56] <surfergirl_> is it possible to dd copy select folders to a usb hard drive?
[21:56] <katsumeblisk> Oog: I'd just run the update manager and you'd be good to go. :)
[21:56] <k1l> Oog: maybe create new personal keys
[21:56] <Oog> yeah im making new keys
[21:56] <Oog> so aptitude update/upgrade should do everything?
[21:57] <jwm224> How do I view private messages?
[21:57] <RFleming> !ot | jwm224
[21:57] <katsumeblisk> jwm224: It's specific to your IRC client.
[21:57] <surfergirl_> dd /if=/boot /of=/mnt/ext/backup/boot.img copies 0 bytes in, etc
[21:57] <RFleming> surfergirl_, ^^
[21:58] <RFleming> surfergirl_, dd works on files only, not directories
[21:58] <RFleming> surfergirl_, use rsync
[21:58] <daftykins> odsent: can you use paste.ubuntu.com to show me the output of "java -version" in a terminal?
[21:59] <jwm224> Sorry, about that. I'll try to connect to #ubuntu-offtopic. Thanks.
[21:59] <RFleming> jwm224, NP :)
[21:59] <RFleming> jwm224, you may want to gloss over the guidelines so you know what's not allowed.
[22:00] <odsent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223752/
[22:00] <surfergirl_> yes, i did dd if=/boot etc
[22:00] <katsumeblisk> surfergirl_: That's not a file. That's a directory
[22:00] <jwm224> will do.
[22:01] <odsent> daftykins http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223752/
[22:01] <daftykins> odsent: ok and same for "ls /usr/lib/jre/" (if it says no such directory, repeat with jvm instead of jre)
[22:01] <k1l> odsent: make sure you got the java-plugin package installed, too. that is needed for the webbrowser
[22:02] <RFleming> alrighty, time for me to go.  Cheers!
[22:02] <odsent> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223757/
[22:02] <daftykins> odsent: close any open firefox windows and run "sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin"
[22:02] <odsent> BYE BYE
[22:03] <surfergirl_> yes, I want to copy os directories to a usb device.
[22:03] <katsumeblisk> surfergirl_: just use cp or rsync. No need for dd
[22:03] <daftykins> surfergirl_: you are going in circles.
[22:04] <surfergirl_> will rsync copy open files?
[22:04] <daftykins> surfergirl_: if you're trying to make a bootable USB flash drive, just folders may not be enough
[22:04] <mojtaba> Hi, I am going to configure my openvpn following this instructions: http://www.tecmint.com/install-openvpn-in-debian/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecmint+%28Tecmint%3A+Linux+Howto%27s+Guide%29 The problem is that, in the last step, I get following error: [FAIL] Starting virtual private network daemon: openvpn failed!    Does anybody know what should I do?
[22:04] <surfergirl_> I need a backup I can restore to if changes fail.
[22:05] <odsent> IT WORKED!!!!!!!!
[22:05] <Panter|Linux> dam
[22:05] <daftykins> odsent: you're welcome
[22:06] <gmachine_24> greetings earthlings. My problem: it seems by default my computer attempts to open directories with the EasyTag program. So, e.g., when I plug in a USB drive or turn one on, EasyTag starts to scan the directories of the new drive.........no matter what type of files are on that drive
[22:06] <daftykins> mojtaba: read the logs as to what's going wrong.
[22:06] <daftykins> mojtaba: but i don't like that you come in here linking debian guides :P
[22:07] <mojtaba> sorry, daftykins I could not find one for ubuntu
[22:07] <gmachine_24> surgergirl, I believe rsync will copy the latest saved file of whatever files you have.....
[22:07] <mojtaba> how can I read the log
[22:07] <gmachine_24> er, surfergirl
[22:07] <daftykins> mojtaba: you learn what location it's in and you open it with a text editor... really you shouldn't be doing anything as low level as setting up a VPN if you can't read logs.
[22:08] <gmachine_24> however, if you are creating a new file with, e.g. gedit and it has not been saved, rsync will not copy it
[22:08] <jordan__> Hi all, quick question. We're trying to address the heartbleed bug at my start up. The easiest way is to redeploy our infrastructure to a new ami that is not vulnerable. What is the expected lifetime of the daily images? I'd like to use the Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS (Precise Pangolin) Daily Build [20140408] image.
[22:08] <ubuNoob> usr13 bad new. i lost my windows 7 i have to use the repair disc
[22:09] <NEone> Hi. On Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS (precise), 64-bit, headless server. I worried about the "HeartBleed" vuln, so I checked apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. It actually seemed to update openssl and ssllib and other packages. But a "openssl version" command still shows the 1.0.1 version from March 2012. Didn't Ubuntu update openssl to 1.0.1g ?
[22:09] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: If you just run the updater, you're fine
[22:09] <surfergirl_> I prefer dd as the target drive does not necessarily havr extended attributess/acls installed, etc
[22:09] <gmachine_24> surfergirl, on the other hand, perhaps this person knows more: https://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2012-January/027271.html
[22:09] <katsumeblisk> NEone: You're fine.
[22:09] <katsumeblisk> NEone: Canonical recompiled it with the patch but left the version number alone
[22:09] <Beldar> NEone, updated, same name.
[22:09] <daftykins> NEone: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[22:10] <camahueto> Hi, I got problems with the Atheros driver for wireless in Precise, Is this the place to ask about that?
[22:10] <daftykins> we're really beginning to need a factoid for this.
[22:10] <NEone> Cool, thanks.
[22:10] <Beldar> daftykins, Tin fedora's for everyone. ;)
[22:10] <jordan__> katsumeblisk: our infrastructure is highly automated. it's easiest if we can just change the ami we use.
[22:11] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: What's an ami?
[22:11] <Panter|Linux> that's some hardcore shit daftykins
[22:11] <jordan__> ec2 image
[22:11] <jordan__> system image
[22:11] <daftykins> Beldar: ooh that could be neat
[22:11] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: So you can't update?
[22:11] <jordan__> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/20140408/
[22:11] <jordan__> no, we have a hands off approach. we define our system in our code repository
[22:11] <jordan__> and then deploy takes care of the rest.
[22:12] <Panter|Linux> brb
[22:12] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: Uh. I'm not sure. If you're using dailies, I'm sure you're fine.
[22:12] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: I think the update went out yesterday or today.
[22:12] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: So today's would be fine.
[22:13] <jordan__> i don't normally use dailies, and am reluctant because i don't want the daily to be removed out from under me.
[22:13] <jordan__> do you think it'll be left up for at least a month?
[22:13] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: What do you mean left up? Do you mean the iso on Canonical's site?
[22:14] <jordan__> yes, the iso, ovf and the image on aws
[22:14] <katsumeblisk> jordan__: I don't know much about the images, so I'm probably not much use anymore. Sorry.
[22:14] <jordan__> i don't know how often they garbage collect these images.
[22:14] <Panter|Linux> alright that seems to do the trick :)
[22:14] <Jordan_U> jordan__: Why does it matter? (Also. please move discussion of development releases of Ubuntu to #ubuntu+1).
[22:15] <jordan__> Jordan_U: we redeploy regularly, so i need some assurance that that AMI won't disappear
[22:15] <jordan__> katsumeblisk: thanks for help!
[22:15] <daftykins> Jordan_U: it's discussion of precise. not trusty, you'd know that had you read up
[22:15] <Jordan_U> daftykins: If I'd not have just recently joined, then I would have read up :)
[22:16] <daftykins> perhaps don't throw about such things in future then
[22:17] <jordan__> the knowledge of #ubuntu+1 was helpful. I'll check it out.
[22:17] <jordan__> thanks all.
[22:18] <_zap_> hi. i want to install a new version of virtualbox for ubuntu 12.04 (lts). the problem with the provided package is that it contains precompiled kernel modules for 3.2 but i am using a newer kernel version. what is your suggestion to solve this problem? thanks for your advice.
[22:19] <Beldar> _zap_, This your download page? https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[22:20] <_zap_> Beldar: no i am using the one in the ubuntu repository
[22:21] <_zap_> Beldar: there is a 4.3 version but it contains the kernel modules for one specific kernel
[22:21] <Beldar> _zap_, I always use this one, there should not be a kernel issue none the less install dkms
[22:21] <_zap_> Beldar: dkms is installed. ok i try this one
[22:21] <Beldar> never heard of any kernel module issues, myself
[22:21] <_zap_> Beldar: have you tried on 12.04 with a different kernel
[22:22] <Beldar> _zap_, Just the ones in 14.04.4
[22:22] <Beldar> 12.04.4*
[22:22] <Beldar> saucies kernels
[22:22] <_zap_> Beldar: yes i am also running 12.04.4. which kernel are you running
[22:22] <_zap_> Beldar: ah ok
[22:23] <Beldar> _zap_, I'm im W8 right now, it's updated is all.
[22:23] <_zap_> Beldar: W8?
[22:23] <Beldar> _zap_, Yeah, many here multi boot I have 5 OS on this HD.
[22:24] <_zap_> Beldar: i was wondering what you mean by "W8"
[22:24] <Beldar> MS is only 20%, lol
[22:27] <surfergirl> rsync isnt ideal for my dd as there are attributes and acls and things not on yhe target drive, thus i was thinking dd or maybe tar
[22:27] <Lartza8> Installed Ubuntu and got dropped into a grub rescue :S possibly something to do with UEFI or GPT?
[22:27] <Lartza8> Windows 8.1 dual boot, windows installed first
[22:28] <Beldar> Lartza8, You familiar withe the bootrepair tool?
[22:28] <Lartza8> Beldar: no
[22:29] <Beldar> Lartza8, Save the bootinfo summary url. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:29] <camahueto> I ask again. I got a brand new Dell Inspiron Notebook with Ubuntu 12.04.4 already installed. When I turned it on the wireless was working, but after updating the software
[22:29] <Beldar> Lartza8, You can run that summary only as well, might be worth it for us to look at it.
[22:30] <Lartza8> Beldar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223838/
[22:31] <camahueto> I ask again. I got a brand new Dell Inspiron Notebook with Ubuntu 12.04.4 already installed. When I turned it on the wireless was working, but after updating the software, I losy the wireless connectivity. The result of lspci -nn | grep 0280 is: 06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0036] (rev 01)
[22:31] <HelloWorld> Lartza8 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[22:32] <picca> hello HelloWorld
[22:32] <HelloWorld> Hi
[22:33] <gmachine_24> surfergirl, I use tar all the time to back up my drives
[22:33] <Beldar> Lartza8, Cool, out of my area as far a gpt stuff. sdb (where ubuntu is) is a gpt setup HD because of it's size, and grub was put in the sda mbr
[22:33] <Voyage_> how to shred a file (delete multiple times by overwriting data on it)  so it cannot be recovered by deleted file recovery tools?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> Lartza8: Did you move the Ubuntu partitions from sda to sdb?
[22:34] <ecker_> Hi, I'm installing Ubuntu 13.10 on my Mac Pro (2008), I get the screen "Try, install, OEM" etc. No matter if I pick "Try" or "Install" I end up with a few boxes on my screen looking like this: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s66/sh/635ce8f9-dd37-474d-87e4-712a74fd04ad/108854114a60eab51387d1b10dedf8d6
[22:34] <ecker_> Where do I start troubleshooting this? "Funky blocks"?
[22:34] <Beldar> Jordan_U, Cool I was hoping you would notice that subscript. ;)
[22:34] <HelloWorld> camahueto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2103062
[22:34] <Beldar> script*
[22:34] <Jordan_U> Voyage_: shred /path/to/file
[22:35] <gmachine_24> and rsync to sync my music folder(s) with those on the back up drive; and snapraid for a drive that has mostly video (i.e. large files) and only one, two or none is changed or deleted every day
[22:35] <gmachine_24> *mostly video files
[22:35] <Lartza> Beldar my live system froze so didnt get any replies
[22:35] <gmachine_24> I should say added, deleted or changed
[22:35] <Lartza> I managed to send out the summary though
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Lartza8: Did you move the Ubuntu partitions from sda to sdb?
[22:36] <Lartza> Jordan_U, No
[22:37] <gmachine_24> My problem: it seems by default my computer attempts to open directories with the EasyTag program. So, e.g., when I plug in a USB drive or turn one on, EasyTag starts to scan the directories of the new drive.........no matter what type of files are on that drive
[22:37] <Lartza> There used to be a gentoo install that spanned sda and sdb
[22:38] <bjorn2in> Hi all... I am having trouble with Ice-tea PlugIn both in Chrome and FF... running 12.04 and IcedTea Web 1.2.3 (1.2.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)... browser just hangs when attempting to execute java script.. help please :)
[22:39] <Jordan_U> Lartza: Ok, well it looks like the only grub installation you have is actually from that old Gentoo install, rather than from Ubuntu. The Windows installation probably overwrote the MBR of sdb, which probably previously contained Ubuntu's grub.
[22:39] <super_mdh>  I've been running servers that have used the vulnerable
[22:39] <super_mdh>                    version of openssl. They were not webservers. Servers are
[22:39] <super_mdh>                    now running the patched version of openssl. Do I need to
[22:39] <super_mdh> sorry, bad terminal
[22:40] <super_mdh> I've been running servers that have used the vulnerable version of openssl. They were not webservers. Servers are now running the patched version of openssl. Do I need to change my private keys or something?
[22:40] <AcidRain2012> hello. i am using an hdmi cable. and ubuntu is picking it up as a dvi cable
[22:40] <AcidRain2012> how do i fix this?
[22:40] <AcidRain2012> im not even using the dvi slot
[22:40] <Jordan_U> super_mdh: Were they using openssl based services, such as ssh?
[22:40] <AcidRain2012> i believe that due to this, its not allowing me to send audio over the hdmi cable
[22:41] <Lartza> Jordan_U windows was the first OS installed and i selected /dev/sda on the ubuntu install for grub
[22:41] <super_mdh> Jordan_U: yes.
[22:41] <darkangel> Hey i was wondering if Ubuntu developers take free Features... Lets say if i made a pretty nice feature for Ubuntu peeps and i give it to them would they host it?
[22:42] <AcidRain2012> i have vga connected to my tv. i have hdmi connected to a projector
[22:42] <AcidRain2012> hdmi is being reported as DVI
[22:43] <OerHeks> darkangel, see launchpad, for hosting your contribution to ubuntu, if your ppa is interesting, who knows ?
[22:43] <OerHeks> !launchpad
[22:45] <Lartza> Jordan_U windows is sda1 and sda2(C:) gentoo was sda3 /boot and sda4 /
[22:45] <Voyage_> Jordan_U,  shred /home/me/someDirectory/  will shred all files in the "someDirectory"?
[22:45] <akiva> Hey folks; which kernel version will ubuntu 14.04 be using?
[22:46] <Beldar> !14.04 > akiva
[22:46] <Voyage> Jordan_U,  I changed nick
[22:46] <bip> hi all...does anyone know what is the name of a program that is showed on ubuntu.com in section desktop...i mean about second one image where openstack is presented
[22:47] <Lartza> Could someone link back my(Lartza8) paste.ubuntu.com link please?
[22:48] <Beldar> Lartza, this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7223838/
[22:49] <Lartza> Thank you
[22:49] <qin> Voyage: shred: shred_test/: failed to open for writing: Is a directory
[22:49] <lolcat> qin: you use shred on devices
[22:50] <Lartza> Jordan_U sdc MBR is from an older windows install that was on that drive
[22:50] <lolcat> qin: install secure-delete and use srm on the folder/files
[22:50] <qin> Voyage: apparently adding asterix does the job
[22:50] <Lartza> But anyways, how can I fix grub?
[22:50] <Voyage> qin,  shred ~/someDirectory/*' will.
[22:50] <Slart> bip: which one? can you take a screenshot and show us?
[22:51] <bip> yea wait
[22:51] <Voyage> but  how many times will it delete/overwrite the files?
[22:52] <qin> Voyage: would you care to man shred, my memory is bit hazy
[22:52] <js__> test
[22:52] <qin> lolcat: why srm?
[22:52] <bip> http://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/img/desktop/image-for-developers.png
[22:53] <lolcat> qin: I like secure delete. you can decide how many runs. default is 30-some
[22:53] <bip> i mean about progs which is on left side
[22:53] <bip> ;)
[22:53] <Slart> bip: sublime text perhaps?
[22:54] <qin> lolcat: you mean like shred -n 30
[22:54] <bip> ;) please?:>
[22:54] <qin> lolcat: Anyway srm looks interesting, thanks
[22:54] <lolcat> qin: No, srm uses special patterns to securly delete regardless of media, like it will work on tape and floppies and ssds and everything
[22:55] <lolcat> qin: shred is primitive
[22:55] <lolcat> but then, both will do the job
[22:55] <qin> lolcat: haha
[22:55] <bip> so if you know..i would be absolutely grateful
[22:56] <Voyage> qin,  shred -n 99 -v /path/* is fine?
[22:56] <Slart> bip: sublime text.. it's a nice editor
[22:56] <bip> aaaa heh thx so much man
[22:56] <Slart> bip: you're welcome
[22:56] <lolcat> qin: For a normal harddrive I guess you just have to overwrite once, on ssds Id do more passes
[22:56] <bip> :)
[22:59] <Voyage> I wonder how multiple switches work in linux    shred -n 99 -v      or shred -nv 99
[23:00] <Slart> Voyage: why use 99 writes.. if you're that paranoid you shouldn't trust the chip in your hard drive to write to the disc..  and if you're not that paranoid 3 should be plenty enough
[23:00] <usr13> Voyage: It depends on the application.
[23:01] <Voyage> Slart,  usr13  ok. I saw shred: scans/Image-0007.jpeg: pass 1/99 (random)...
[23:01] <Voyage> shred: scans/Image-0007.jpeg: pass 2/99 (bbbbbb)...     but I can still view that file.
[23:02] <micdawg> sudo update-initramfs -u -k 3.11.0-19-generic update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.11.0-19-generic Floating point exception (core dumped)
[23:02] <micdawg> Anyone seen that?
[23:02] <usr13> Voyage: Well good for you.
[23:02] <Voyage> I mean , why the picture is still viewable?
[23:02] <Voyage> Slart,  I have changed the 99 to 11
[23:02] <usr13> Voyage: It's not.
[23:02] <Voyage> usr13,  not?
[23:02] <Slart> Voyage: perhaps the shredding isn't finished? or it's cached somewhere?
[23:02] <Ben64> if it is viewable, thats only because its still opened and exists only in ram.
[23:03] <qin> Voyage: -vn 3 - works; -nv 3 - fails;
[23:03] <Ben64> and to make a file unrecoverable, all you need is one (1) overwrite
[23:03] <Ben64> 99 is ridiculously unnecessary
[23:03] <Voyage> Slart,  qin  my bad. its not viewable
[23:03] <usr13> Voyage: Do you have it open in an image viewer?
[23:04] <Voyage> Slart,  qin  my bad. its not viewable.
[23:04] <micdawg> pretty sure my 14.04 update went south :/
[23:05] <Ben64> micdawg: #ubuntu+1 for 14.04 support and discussion until release day
[23:05] <Slart> micdawg: never seen a floating point exception during initramfs... strange
[23:05] <qin> micdawg: #ubuntu+1 will rejoyce to  hear about it
[23:05] <micdawg> k, thanks
[23:05] <usr13> micdawg: Which direction was your computer facing?
[23:05] <micdawg> lol, apparently not the right way :P
[23:06] <usr13> micdawg: Trun it around and try again.
[23:07] <micdawg> lol
[23:10] <Lartza> I managed to get grub2 to work. How do i fix a nouveau lockup?
[23:12] <tttttttttt> hi ..can some advise on getting flash to work.. ubuntu 13.10 with firefox
[23:13] <Beldar> tttttttttt, flash-plugin-installer
[23:14] <tttttttttt> if i install flash plug installer ..the video is distorted and half size
[23:14] <Beldar> tttttttttt, where?
[23:15] <Beldar> link?
[23:15] <tttttttttt> youtube
[23:15] <tttttttttt> plays ok if i dont install the plugin
[23:16] <omlet> hi
[23:16] <tttttttttt> but some some site ask for the plug in and dont play
[23:16] <jedichu> Hi!  What's the recommended way to fix heartbleed?  As of right no 'apt-get upgrade openssl' does not return a patched ver for me.
[23:16] <omlet> any ppa or rebuild tuto for heartbleed
[23:16] <Beldar> jedichu, one patch, same file name.
[23:16] <jedichu> Beldar: what?
[23:17] <Beldar> !ssl
[23:17] <Beldar> jedichu, The patch is in the repos, the files have the same name is all, it is a patch.
[23:17] <jedichu> ummm
[23:17] <jedichu> # openssl version -a
[23:17] <jedichu> OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
[23:17] <jedichu> built on: Mon Apr  7 20:33:19 UTC 2014
[23:17] <jedichu> that says no
[23:18] <Beldar> jedichu, really, march 7th is not soon enough for you?
[23:19] <Beldar> my trisqual install is even updated
[23:19] <jedichu> well the heartbleed vuln was announced late on apr 7 so anything before apr 8 is not good enough for anyone
[23:19] <Beldar> trisquesl
[23:20] <rypervenche> jedichu: I patched on April 7th. All patches I've seen are for April 7th.
[23:21] <rypervenche> jedichu: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[23:21] <jedichu> rypervenche: ok thanks.  So you're saying that my ver 1.0.1e built on: Mon Apr  7 20:33:19 UTC 2014 is totally kosher?
[23:22] <rypervenche> jedichu: Find which package version you have.
[23:23] <rypervenche> jedichu: apt-cache policy openssl
[23:23] <jedichu>   Installed: 1.0.1e-3ubuntu1.2
[23:23] <jedichu>   Candidate: 1.0.1e-3ubuntu1.2
[23:24] <rypervenche> jedichu: You're good. That is the version that is on that page.
[23:25] <jedichu> rypervenche: Cool thanks for confirming.  I imagine you've gotten this question a fair bit today and seems like you might want to put our conversation in a pastebin or something, since all I needed to know was 'apt-cache policy openssl and does it match'
[23:25] <jedichu> :)
[23:26] <rypervenche> jedichu: I was fixing this all day at work today. Vacation starts today :)
[23:26] <jedichu> go you!
[23:32] <sudhir> Hi All, I am new to ubuntu. I have a specific question related to mirroring. Here is the link to my question: http://mibpaste.com/Xexv59
[23:39] <phao> Hey. Is it too much trouble adding something like a "traditional task bar" on unity?
[23:41] <StAtIk> hello everyone.... I need help
[23:41] <Magiobiwan> So, I just updated a server from 13.10 to 14.04 and discovered that it broke my networking. For some reason, br0 isn't being recognized.
[23:41] <Oog> how can i find out why my system says *** System restart required *** upon login? i did aptitude update/upgrade recently because of heartbleed i guess this is why?
[23:41] <StAtIk> downloading graphicvs drivers
[23:42] <Magiobiwan> And this VPN is horrible
[23:42]  * Magiobiwan grabs laptop
[23:43] <ubuNoob> usr13 u r they
[23:44] <Lartza8> Can I fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/7224075/ with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop? :)
[23:44] <Lartza8> on the upside my root is almost 900 megabytes lighter
[23:45] <sadpuppy> watch out for root rot
[23:45] <tttttttttt>  Hi.. anyone here able to help with getting flash to run in 13.10 firefox
[23:48] <Magiobiwan> So, I'm not sure if my earlier message made it out thanks to a combination of laggy BNC and high-latency VPN
[23:48] <sadpuppy> reinstall
[23:48] <Magiobiwan> But, I just upgraded from 13.10 to 14.04 and it seems to have broken br0
[23:49] <Beldar> !14.04 > Magiobiwan
[23:49] <Lartza8> !14.04 > Lartza8
[23:50] <Magiobiwan> Ah. A different channel
[23:50] <Bashing-om> Lartza8: If it were your intent for a "simpler" system, the advise is to build up from "core" not tear down from.
[23:51] <Lartza8> Bashing-om: I usually install Arch for that nowadays... but yeah lighter or "simpler" was the intent :)
[23:52] <ubunnoob> it didnt work
[23:52] <ubunnoob> the disk is still dynamic not basic
[23:52] <Bashing-om> Lartza8: As you know what was removed, then yeah, I see no problem to (RE-)install as needed starting from the desktop.
[23:53] <Lartza8> Bashing-om: ubuntu-desktop does seem to miss a few but hits pretty close yeah
[23:54] <Lartza8> I could just do a quick reinstall too and hope that grub works the first time now
[23:54] <Lartza8> for minimal headaches in the future :P
[23:54] <Bashing-om> Lartza8: Might run -> sudo apt-get update , sudo apt-get upgrade <- see if the package manager screams and hollers about anything missing at this time.
[23:57] <mbslk> Hi all, Not sure if my earlier message got lost......I need some help with mirroring the repository and hold clients to not fetch any package whenever mirroring is in progress. Is it possible? Here is the link to the question in detail: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7224106/
[23:59] <Oog> how do i update my adiscon repository?
[23:59] <Oog> http://ubuntu.adiscon.com/v7-stable saucy/ it says it moved to launchpad


[14:39] <shahriar86> anyone from su team around?
[16:59] <AliTabuger7> i'm here
[17:00] <AliTabuger7> I'm usually here, but I've got the window burried, shahriar86, so if you just type my nick somewhere in the message so it would make a sound, I'd be here sooner.


[12:45] <thumper> s-x-u: re: xubuntu users team, it could be that the xubuntu users team isn't actually associated with any bugs or specs in Launchpad
[12:45] <s-x-u> thanks
[12:46] <s-x-u> about asking a question to a team ?
[12:46] <thumper> s-x-u: as far as asking questions, I don't think teams are targets
[12:46] <thumper> you ask questions on projects
[12:46] <thumper> not teams
[12:46] <thumper> AFAIK
[12:48] <s-x-u> ok thanks /// i do not understand the last word im dutch
[12:49] <spiv> mpt: no
[12:49] <thumper> s-x-u: As Far As I Know
[12:51] <s-x-u> ok thanks
[01:48] <tj9991> hey everyone, I was hoping that I could contact someone about a translation template taking quite some time to import. I moved my project to a different name which uses the same template three days ago
[01:49] <tj9991> I can't get any translation done while it is in the queue, and I wanted to know if someone could speed it along, as I already had the previous template approved
[02:44] <_gpg_> hi
[02:46] <_gpg_> i aked this question few months ago, but well, I would like to know if Launchpad will be open source in the feature, any one got any related links about this fact please ?
[02:49] <_gpg_> good night
[02:53] <spiv> _gpg_: https://launchpad.net/faq
[02:53] <_gpg_> Sourceforge is open source
[02:56] <_gpg_> ty for the answer btw, the text didnt change for a while, honeslty i prefere to read "we dont want to open the code and we dont care" rather the to read "Sourceforge"
[02:56] <_gpg_> see you later
[03:04] <mpt> _gpg_, as I understand it, the code sourceforge.net runs is quite different from the open-sourced code
[03:04] <mpt> but anyway, we are actively planning to open the Launchpad code
[03:04] <mpt> there just isn't a definite date for it.
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #134997 in malone "Clicking "Add a comment" doesn't immediately let me do so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134997
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #134998 in malone "Clicking assignee field's radio button should focus the field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134998
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135002 in launchpad-answers ""Ask a question" form doesn't auto-focus the "Summary:" field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135002
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135006 in malone ""Also affects distribution/package" doesn't focus distribution menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135006
[08:33] <carlos> morning
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135008 in rosetta ""Languages in Launchpad" page doesn't auto-focus search field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135008
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135009 in blueprint "Search field isn't auto-focused on Blueprints front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135009
[09:12] <mpt> whoa
[09:13] <mpt> thumper or jml, tell me about registering branches you're not the author of
[09:13] <mpt> How often does that happen?
[09:15] <jml> mpt: I don't know.
[09:15] <jml> mpt: it's entirely possible.
[09:15] <mpt> I see that it's possible
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135010 in launchpad-bazaar "Green links in project cloud aren't explained" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135010
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135012 in launchpad-bazaar "Search field isn't auto-focused on Code front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135012
[09:15] <mpt> e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/+addbranch
[09:16] <mpt> I was just surprised
[09:16] <mpt> but I guessed it might be possible, from the awkwardness of the sentence beginning the form for registering your own branch
[09:16] <mpt> "Register a new Bazaar branch whose author is Matthew Paul Thomas."
[09:16] <mpt> as if that's not what I'm doing already :-)
[09:19] <jml> mpt: you mean something different from what I thought you meant.
[09:19] <jml> I'm not sure if I like this feature.
[09:21] <mpt> well
[09:21] <mpt> Is it morally different from getting a Bazaar import of a project?
[09:25] <mpt> I suppose it makes misattributing branches easy
[09:25] <spiv> mpt: Well, it seems it has the potential for causing mischief, by allowing random people to attribute arbitrary work to other people.
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135014 in launchpad-bazaar ""Register a branch" page begins with awkward sentence" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135014
[09:27] <spiv> It'll still be "owned" by the actual registrant, but the owner can reassign it.
[09:27] <spiv> So that does seem dangerous.
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135015 in launchpad "Search field isn't auto-focused on front page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135015
[09:46] <unimatrix9> translators around?
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135018 in launchpad "Search field isn't auto-focused on Projects page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135018
[09:51] <unimatrix9> well thanks ubotu
[09:51] <unimatrix9> :)
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135020 in rosetta "Clicking "Add more lines" doesn't auto-focus the newly-expanded field" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135020
[10:25] <gnomefreak> anyone know what the following error means? bzr: ERROR: Selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet: files debian/changelog
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135022 in launchpad-bazaar "TestCase.run_bzr loads plugins by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135022
[10:28] <gnomefreak> nevermind it was wrong package :(
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135026 in launchpad "duplicate pptp projects" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135026
[11:59] <mpathy> Hi there
[11:59] <mpathy> how can I delete a project I registered in launchpad?
[11:59] <mpathy> I found no link for that
[12:02] <jordi_> mpathy: request the project to be hidden via a question.
[12:13] <pin17931> Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[12:21] <mpathy> jordi: Is it really that... cumbersome?
[12:21] <mpathy> thats a feature every other platform hast
[12:21] <mpathy> -t
[12:37] <jordi> mpathy: apparently "remove" operations are quite complicated, due to the big amount of info the database holds.
[12:38] <jordi> if a project holds translations, for example, they would be shared across LP for others to benefit from them; removing them would be complicated, and is not yet supported as in "removing". For now, they are hidden.
[12:38] <jordi> pin17931: with a bit of patience, someone will.
[12:43] <mpathy> okay
[12:44] <pin17931> jordi: ok, I'll wait
[12:47] <gnomefreak> do we have a date for release of PPA?
[01:57] <seb128> hi
[01:57] <seb128> carlos, danilos: could one of you look at bug #135051 and comment?
[01:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135051 in gcalctool "Dutch upstream translation not included" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135051
[01:58] <carlos> I will take a look
[01:58] <seb128> thanks
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135052 in rosetta "assertion failure in POTemplateURL.__init__" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135052
[02:06] <carlos> seb128: that's no sense
[02:06] <seb128> carlos: what do you mean?
[02:07] <carlos> seb128: it's fully translated in Launchpad (at least for Gutsy)
[02:07] <carlos> and there is just one message that doesn't match what upstream has
[02:07] <carlos> seb128: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gcalctool/+pots/gcalctool/nl/+translate
[02:08] <carlos> seb128: and same in Feisty
[02:08] <seb128> carlos: might be due to the fact that language packs are outdated
[02:08] <carlos> and Dapper... so I don't really see any problem in gcalctool...
[02:09] <seb128> Version: 1:7.10+20070803
[02:09] <carlos> that's not so outdated... but maybe, yes
[02:09] <seb128> do you know why they are not updated weekly nowadays?
[02:09] <carlos> because changes on PPA, Martin told me that they will not be updated while he's on out
[02:10] <carlos> hmmm
[02:10] <carlos> he did an update last week though...
[02:10] <seb128> is he still updating them daily somewhere?
[02:11] <carlos> seb128: he's using PPA, he built new packages around 19th this month and told me that was last version until he's back
[02:12] <seb128> k
[02:12] <seb128> thanks
[02:12] <carlos> so either it's blocked on the approval queue
[02:12] <carlos> or something went wrong and the upload to the archive failed
[02:12] <seb128> the upload failed most likely
[02:12] <carlos> will you answer that user?
[02:13] <seb128> yes
[02:13] <carlos> ok, thanks
[02:13] <seb128> I'll talk to him on IRC
[02:13] <seb128> you're welcome
[02:13] <seb128> thank you for looking at it
[02:13] <carlos> if there is something else that I'm missing, please ping me again
[02:13] <carlos> np
[02:13] <seb128> will do
[02:14] <pin17931> (sorry for asking again:) Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[02:37] <seb128> carlos: do you know when the current translation has been imported?
[02:40] <carlos> let me check...
[02:42] <carlos> seb128: it was not imported recently, it's there since, at least, 2007-04-13 (at least translations that changed something in Launchpad)
[02:42] <carlos> seb128: also, there is another file waiting to be imported
[02:42] <seb128> carlos: that's weird
[02:42] <seb128> the upstream translation has been updated in july and august
[02:43] <seb128> and we uploaded the new versions corresponding
[02:45] <carlos> seb128: it could be that we already had those translations applied by someone else
[02:45] <carlos> let me see the mail log...
[02:46] <carlos> ok
[02:46] <carlos> seb128: last import in Gutsy
[02:46] <carlos> was done 11th August
[02:46] <carlos> and all translations were accepted and applied
[02:46] <seb128> ok, thanks
[02:46] <carlos> 367 translations
[02:46] <seb128> so it's likely due to the outdated language pack
[02:47] <seb128> and the example he gave me seems to be the only string which has been changed on launchpad
[02:47] <carlos> so the complain is about changes they did that are not applied?
[02:47] <seb128> yes
[02:47] <seb128> we really need to update language pack weekly
[02:48] <carlos> we were doing it, although the changes to production server of PPA broke that..
[02:49] <carlos> so don't worry, it's not usual that we get so long to update them
[02:50] <bluekuja> carlos, is ppa down atm?
[02:51] <Fujitsu> bluekuja: What gives you that idea?
[02:51] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, unable to upload
[02:52] <bluekuja> maybe wrong address
[02:52] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, works fine for you?
[02:52] <Fujitsu> Hm, upload.dogfood.launchpad.net:21 is broken, it seems.
[02:52] <carlos> bluekuja: no, it's not
[02:52] <bluekuja> Fujitsu, yep
[02:52] <bluekuja> that's why I cannot upload
[02:52] <carlos> cprov: ?
[02:54] <cprov> carlos: yes
[02:54] <carlos> cprov: please, read the last lines
[02:54] <carlos> seems like upload.dogfood.launchpad.net is now down
[02:54] <cprov> carlos: I'm checking
[02:54] <carlos> cprov: thanks
[02:56] <cprov> carlos: should be back.
[02:56] <bluekuja> cprov, thanks ;)
[02:56] <bluekuja> works fine now
[02:57] <cprov> bluekuja: nop
[03:00] <carlos> cprov: :-)
[03:04] <carlos> seb128: btw, I'm not sure whether you know about this new urls: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gcalctool/+imports
[03:05] <seb128> carlos: no, I didn't know about it, thanks
[03:05] <seb128> or I looked at something similar some time ago but I'm not familiar with it ;)
[03:06] <carlos> seb128: so you can see there whether there is something pending to be reviewed, or failed or even already imported (will only note that for three days since it was imported)
[03:06] <carlos> seb128: it's there only since last week
[03:06] <seb128> you had an import queue similar to that some time ago no?
[03:07] <carlos> yes
[03:07] <carlos> we have such queue
[03:07] <carlos> but with everything mixed
[03:07] <seb128> k, so that's probably what I looked at previously
[03:07] <seb128> right
[03:07] <carlos> seb128: you even have https://translations.launchpad.net/people/+me/+imports now
[03:08] <seb128> k
[03:08] <carlos> later!
[03:08] <seb128> enjoy your lunch
[03:20] <soren> Recently, there's been a few bugs on my bug list that I can't remember seeing there before, and I can't figure out why they're there. E.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/14911 .  I may be a subscriber (or reporter, actually) of one of the duplicate bugs, but I can't unsubscribe from this one (and hence make it go away from my bug list).
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 14911 in firefox "Flash plugin problem with ARGB visuals causes crash" [Medium,In progress]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[03:22] <soren> I'm not listed in the list of subscribers, by the way.
[03:22] <kiko> soren, let me check.
[03:23] <kiko> soren, what's your launchpad username, and what's the URL of the buglist page you are looking at?
[03:23] <soren> username: shawarma
[03:24] <soren> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~shawarma
[03:26] <kiko> soren, ah, the reason is that we now include bugs which you have /commented on/ in that default listing
[03:26] <seb128> that's not cool
[03:26] <kiko> I think that would be worth being customizable (what your default parameters for your bugs homepage was)
[03:27] <soren> kiko: I might actually find that useful.. I'd like to be able to remove it from the list if I don't care anymore.... which I don't :)
[03:27] <kiko> but I haven't considered it yet
[03:27] <seb128> having an option would be nice
[03:27] <seb128> people tend to open bugs on wrong packages
[03:27] <seb128> and I don't want to have those bugs on my list just because I reassign and add a comment ;)
[03:27] <kiko> soren, the question is -- are you not actually interested in +subscribedbugs or +assignedbugs or +reportedbugs?
[03:28] <kiko> sabe for seb128
[03:28] <kiko> same
[03:28] <soren> kiko: Good point.
[03:28] <soren> kiko: So the default page is the union of assigned, commented on and reported bugs?
[03:28] <soren> (or thereabouts)
[03:29] <kiko> I believe it also include bugs reported
[03:29] <soren> Er... and subscribed bugs.
[03:29] <kiko> wow, I did even worse than you. :)
[03:29] <soren> \o/
[03:30] <soren> Hmm... That might not actually be completely braindead :)
[03:30] <soren> That could be useful at some point.
[03:30] <soren> I've just gotten used to the main bug list page is the one I want and suddenly it wasn't anymore :)
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135061 in rosetta "Restricted manager translations not in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135061
[03:31] <kiko> yeah, which is why I'm asking whether it should be customizable or.. something else.
[03:31] <soren> For me, subscribed bugs would be a saner default.
[03:32] <kiko> directly subscribed bugs
[03:32] <kiko> yeah
[03:43] <kiko> matsubara, I just filed a bug for https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2007-08-26/B1248 which showed up this weekend
[03:43] <kiko> (so you don't have to :)
[03:46] <matsubara> thanks kiko
[03:50] <shirish>  hi all, how do I link the upstream bug-report in the new interface?
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135064 in launchpad "RenamedView dies when raising NotFound" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135064
[03:51] <shirish> anybody, reported a bug in launchpad as well as in GNOME, now wanna track the GNOME bug-tracker, any ideas?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> shirish: doesnt look possible anymore, or kde.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> what a pain.
[03:53] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx for the reply :(
[03:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: for e.g. I made this bug-report https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwget2/+bug/135065 & made up-stream bug report at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=470696 now how do I join the 2?
[03:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135065 in gwget2 "use binary prefix instead of decimal SI prefix" [Undecided,New]
[03:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: no idea.  i dont work on launchpad.
[03:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok cool, thanx
[03:59] <Fujitsu> shirish: You do the sane thing... `Also affects: Project'
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: not if the project isnt listed in launchpad, it seems.
[03:59] <shirish> Fujitsu: GNOME isn't listed in projects I'm afraid :(
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Right, you create the project.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you shouldnt have to, for a registered upstream bugtracker.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i'm sure we didnt used to
[04:00] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It has been like that for at least a year... probably a lot longer.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you'd still be able to put in the upstream URL iirc
[04:01] <Fujitsu> You need a project to link it to first.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oh, so it does
[04:02] <Hobbsee> what a pain
[04:02] <Hobbsee> that's why i end up filing everything KDE under kdebase.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> until i created the bzr dirs
[04:03] <Fujitsu> I think there's a bug targetted to 1.1.9 to make project registration trivial.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> i dont see why it cant say "i have a URL to the upstream tracker here, track this"
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Because it needs to know what upstream is...
[04:04] <Hobbsee> call it " KDE bug tracker"
[04:04] <Fujitsu> No, that's a bug tracker, not an upstream.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> well, you can select that, still without knowing the project.  or it can just parse the URL.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> which wouldnt be hard, as it already has a list of all the registered bugtrackers.
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Bug trackers do not have a one-to-one mapping with projects.
[04:05] <shirish> Fujitsu: I need to tell it that I've already a filed a bug in the upstream bug-tracker
[04:05] <Fujitsu> shirish: Right, so you need to create a gwget(2) project.
[04:05] <shirish> Fujitsu: even if I use https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/projects/+new there is nothing about where the upstream bug-tracker
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: indeed, but one would only need to know which bugtracker it was referring to
[04:06] <Fujitsu> shirish: projects aren't linked to bug trackers initially...
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: rather than what package under what bugtracker
[04:06] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: No, one needs to know which project it points to, in order to have some context.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm.
[04:06] <Fujitsu> (yes, I'm defending LP's way of doing things... I never thought I'd see the day)
[04:08] <Fujitsu> LP doesn't have an `upstream from Ubuntu' idea, it has the idea of separate tasks for distributions, upstream projects, and they're not related.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ah, true
[04:08] <Hobbsee> how useful
[04:08] <Hobbsee> you know, i would have thought that the fact that they were listed on the same bug did make them rather related...or at least *should* make them rather related...
[04:08] <Fujitsu> The only way they're related is that hitting `Also affects' will often give a sane default if links have already been created.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> yeah
[04:09] <shirish> Fujitsu: for name its giving me an error
[04:09] <shirish>  Invalid name 'gwget(2)'. Names must start with a letter or number and be lowercase. The characters +, - and . are also allowed after the first character.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> shirish: read what you pasted again.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> shirish: and then think on it.
[04:10] <shirish> ah, the () are not allowed as its not told
[04:10] <Hobbsee> correct!
[04:11] <shirish> lol
[04:11] <Hobbsee> the whole "stupid questions deserve stupid answers" thing.
[04:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: agreed
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shirish: dont worry.  you're the third candidate for the stupidity award for the week :)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> shirish: but the other two are beating you
[04:12] <shirish> Hobbsee: ah saddened rofl
[04:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: the winner will probably get me hitting them over the head with a shovel.
[04:13] <shirish> I can picture that pretty realistically too ;)
[04:14] <shirish> Fujitsu: now we have 2 projects https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwget2/ and https://edge.launchpad.net/gwget/
[04:15] <Fujitsu> shirish: The former isn't a project.
[04:15] <shirish> Hobbsee: I may still win the award
[04:15] <Hobbsee> shirish: you havent asked who checks the bugs of $a particular launchpad team, yet.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: and you havent asked how to do something, done the complete opposite, and then bitched about it not working.
[04:16] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm trying, bear with me please
[04:16] <Hobbsee> shirish: so no, you're not winning.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hint:  you dont *want* to win
[04:17] <shirish> Hobbsee: I have seen your pic., hence even being 'hit' by you in any way would be a nice win (wink, wink) ;)
[04:17] <shirish> Fujitsu: back to where we were, now what is to be done?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> shirish: then remind me to hit you with a *very* large piece of concrete.
[04:17] <Fujitsu> shirish: Er, on the bug... `Also affects: Project', select project, enter URL, ..., PROFIT!
[04:17] <shirish> Hobbsee: with pleasure
[04:18] <Hobbsee> shirish: i told keybuk this.  it wouldnt be pleasurable.  it would be a large piece of concrete, to the head, repeatedly.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> shirish: you'd end up on the floor, with lots of blood pouring out of your head.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> and in lots of pain
[04:18] <Hobbsee> still, if that appeals....
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: excellent!
[04:19] <shirish> Hobbsee: bliss at last, then atleast wouldn't have to sit & see how to report stuff 'upstream' rofl
[04:19] <Hobbsee> shirish: i didnt know you wanted to be dead.  i'll have to remember that.
[04:20] <shirish> Fujitsu: Hobbsee: finally done the deed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwget/+bug/135065
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135065 in gwget2 "use binary prefix instead of decimal SI prefix" [Undecided,New]
[04:20] <shirish> Hobbsee: always a pleasure to talk/banter with you
[04:21] <shirish> Fujitsu: thank you for your help
[04:23] <shirish> guys can somebody help me with framing this bug-report https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gwget/+bug/134960 (not a native English speaker)
[04:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134960 in gwget2 "progess with decimal increment as well" [Undecided,New]
[04:24] <shirish> not sure if 'decimal increment' is the right term/word or not
[04:25] <Fujitsu> shirish: I think it should be incremental, 19.0001%, 19.0002%.
[04:25] <Fujitsu> Come to think of it, it could probably be 19.00000[12] %...
[04:27] <shirish> Fujitsu: true, but I was trying so its better than now, with two decimal places after . which should be enough unless one is doing something like 20-30 GiB on a slow connection. Of course this is an assumption/presumption.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> shirish: didnt you know, though...girls dont exist on the intarweb - so that cant be my picture.
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !girls | shirish
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about girls - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !girl | shirish
[04:32] <ubotu> shirish: Girls dont exist on the internet.  See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[04:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: will have to read that for sure :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: green alien.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Odd_Bloke: like the link says, girls dont exist on the intarweb.
[04:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: honestly, wouldn't know what to call that.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hm?
[04:45] <shirish> Hobbsee: I know my cousin sister uses gtalk & orkut all the time
[04:46] <shirish> Hobbsee: as well as couple of women whom I know and are hot, so that would be extreme to say
[04:46] <shirish> Hobbsee: what I would say is the anonymity of the net gives people to fake whatever one wants to
[04:47] <shirish> Hobbsee: for all you know, I could be a 15 yr. old kid or a  50-yr. old desperate guy, who knows what or who is true for sure
[04:48] <Hobbsee> this is, of course true.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> this is why people often use aliases, at least until they're well into the community
[04:49] <shirish> Hobbsee: true, and again being well into the community doesn't make things right overnight
[04:49] <Hobbsee> of course not
[04:49] <Hobbsee> i still have people like you talking to me.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> and wanting me to bash them up.
[04:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: but if I like somebody's picture, is that a bad thing? for e.g. if you liked I don't know 'somebody who looks like Brad Pitt' would you talk with him or not?
[04:51] <shirish> of course this is all virtual
[04:52] <Hobbsee> shirish: depends.  do you go up to random guys on the net and start talking to them in the same way as you would a girl who you didnt know, also on the net?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> shirish: also, i may like their picture, but i wouldnt take it for granted that htey'd actually want me, unless they indicated that.
[04:53] <shirish> Hobbsee: again depends, I have made some very good friends on the net, with whom I share a lot
[04:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: of course, I'm not saying either way
[04:55] <shirish> Hobbsee: another thing, while you think of the whole 'woman' angle on this, think of coming from a certain 'nation' & people have similar reactions.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> huh?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure of what you're meaning
[04:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, I'll try to tell you what I mean
[04:57] <kiko> Hobbsee, shirish: doesn't look possible anymore? what do you mean?
[04:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: I come from East Asia, India, and there are a few upstream projects where I try to give comments, do stuff, whatever and even after few months have passed, got accepted in the community
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kiko: it's very difficult ot figuer where to add an upstream link to a project
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kiko: as in, a bug report upstream to connect to a bug report on launchpad
[04:58] <kiko> Hobbsee, you mean "also affects upstream"?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kiko: what was that,yes
[04:59] <kiko> we could have
[04:59] <kiko> link to remote bug
[04:59] <shirish> the moment I say I come from 'India', I get the same silent treatment as said in that report, or some kind of abuse for all 'outsourcing' and what not.
[04:59] <kiko> but it's hard to design right because the upstream might use launchpad
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: this is true
[05:00] <Hobbsee> shirish: yeah, true.
[05:00] <kiko> Hobbsee, it might be easier if we said "Add a task"
[05:00] <kiko> but nobody lets me say that word
[05:00] <shirish> Hobbsee: see
[05:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: still confusing as to what it acutally means.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> shirish: true, i see your point
[05:01] <kiko> Hobbsee, well, we could explain what tasks were, and it'd be the only explanation necessary
[05:01] <kiko> i.e. nobody knew what wikiwords were before we explained them either.
[05:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: and I think that is partly the reason why also there isn't much activity from developing countries as in developing stuff upstream.
[05:02] <Hobbsee> shirish: possible
[05:03] <kiko> Hobbsee, wikiwords? :)
[05:03] <Hobbsee> kiko: yes
[05:03] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm part of a LUG here, who's has been trying to promote Ubuntu and make people aware of IRC and stuff like that, apart from their own insecurities, I do hear stuff about this also
[05:03] <kiko> Hobbsee, or "bug attachments". my point is that there are certain things you learn and then end up taking for granted.
[05:03] <shirish> kiko: wikiwords I guess like FriendlyAlien if I'm not wrong
[05:03] <Hobbsee> kiko: true
[05:03] <pin17931> Hi, import of an external svn repository for the opendental project failed. I was told to ask here for more info. Anyone can help?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> kiko: but based on the fact htat i *still* get confused on this stuff each time...it eihter means i'm clueless on this area of LP, or it's just confusing.
[05:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: another thing I have been wanting to chew, just like Fedora has Fedora Ambassador for promotion of their project, does Ubuntu have something?
[05:05] <shirish> Hobbsee: chew/chew on
[05:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: probably ask the marketing team.  (#ubuntu-marketing)
[05:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx
[05:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: sorry for blubbering on that, don't think you wanted to hear that story
[05:07] <Hobbsee> it's ok
[05:08] <shirish> Hobbsee: take care
[05:32] <carlos> cheers
[07:41] <gnomefreak> is LP bzr having issues for anyone else?
[07:42] <kiko> not that I know of
[08:07] <RainCT> hi
[08:07] <RainCT> is it possible to remove revision from a Bazaar branch in Launchpad?
[08:08] <LaserJock> kiko: available?
[08:09] <kiko> LaserJock, me!
[08:09] <kiko> RainCT, uncommit and push again
[08:10] <LaserJock> kiko: ok, the bug contact thing
[08:11] <LaserJock> in a number of teams I'm involved with we fairly regularly change bug contacts
[08:11] <LaserJock> it's not an every-day thing by any means
[08:11] <kiko> LaserJock, so, hang on I'm on the phone with tom
[08:11] <LaserJock> np
[08:23] <ircleuser> I have an administrative need with our Launchpad project
[08:24] <ircleuser> Is there anyone here that can help?
[08:24] <kiko> ircleuser, yes, give me a moment.
[08:27] <ircleuser> ok, thanks
[08:30] <pparks> Kiko, I work with ircleuser as well and am available if you have any question regarding our account.
[08:31] <kiko> okay
[08:31] <kiko> so LaserJock first
[08:31] <kiko> LaserJock, how many teams are we talking about?
[08:33] <LaserJock> sorry, was afk
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, there is edubuntu-bugs (I'm not admin) and motuscience (admin) and ubuntu-tex (admin)
[08:34] <kiko> is that all?
[08:34] <LaserJock> those are the ones that I'd be changing bug contacts on
[08:34] <kiko> I'll make you an admin of edubuntu-bugs
[08:34] <LaserJock> well, but my question is a bit more fundamental
[08:34] <LaserJock> with edubuntu-bugs I should be admin anyway
[08:35] <kiko> I'm failing to see fundamentals if that's the case :)
[08:35] <LaserJock> well
[08:35] <LaserJock> team admins can do pretty much anything
[08:35] <LaserJock> I personally feel ok with letting people set bug contacts
[08:35] <LaserJock> but I'm not so crazy about letting them approve members
[08:35] <LaserJock> for instance
[08:36] <LaserJock> I can understand for the bigger teams like bugsquad and ubuntu-memebers
[08:36] <LaserJock> where things can get crazy
[08:36] <kiko> I think limiting both things to team admins is not unreasonable, and I challenge you to find a case where a non-admin would need to set a bug contact without asking an admin for permission first.
[08:38] <LaserJock> heh, I used to have people do that all the time
[08:38] <LaserJock> especially with motuscience and ubuntu-tex
[08:38] <LaserJock> when it's a team of developers or something, there's no reason to not trust your team
[08:39] <LaserJock> it sets a big "us vs them" thing
[08:39] <LaserJock> granted, bug contact is fairly trivial
[08:39] <LaserJock> but I don't know what else you guys are going to do in the future, you know
[08:42] <kiko> so
[08:42] <kiko> the rationale for this, LaserJock, was
[08:42] <kiko> setting a bug contact can cause a /lot/ of mail to be received
[08:43] <kiko> so it should not be generally available
[08:43] <kiko> it's not too much overhead to contact a team admin if you need this done.
[08:43] <kiko> we did not constrain subscribing the team to a bug by means of the same rationale (it's only one item generating mail)
[08:44] <kiko> there isn't really a fundamental principle here -- the policy is what causes the least harm and inconvenience simultaneously
[08:44] <kiko> and in this case this was the call made
[08:44] <kiko> if you can find concrete situations in which the current implementation causes significant harm and inconvenience, then we can reconsider
[08:45] <kiko> but so far I haven't seen convincing evidence :)
[08:49] <LaserJock> well, me neither
[08:49] <LaserJock> I was more thinking that it would be good to give team admins some flexibility
[08:52] <kiko> LaserJock, in customizing the team policies? we have tried as a policy to avoid customizability unless really necessary
[08:52] <kiko> it increases the support and documentation overhead a lot
[08:57] <LaserJock> kiko: hmm, that make some sense
[08:58] <LaserJock> but I would think people would also find it sort of a turnoff
[08:58] <LaserJock> they have this service, but they can't customize it to suit their needs
[08:58] <LaserJock> but you're right about overhead
[08:59] <kiko> it makes the system harder to explain -- you need to ask the user "Do your team have option X enabled?"
[09:00] <LaserJock> yes, I write documentation too, I have an appreciation for that ;-)
[09:00] <kiko> if there was a significant drawback in not allowing it to be optional then I'd consider an option
[09:00] <kiko> no pun intended :)
[09:00] <kiko> but in general I prefer it when options model something concretely different in the real world
[09:01] <kiko> than a flag you set to work around something.
[09:01] <kiko> anyway, next up!
[09:01] <kiko> pparks, how may I help?
[09:01] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:01] <LaserJock> kiko: thanks for the chat :-)
[09:01] <kiko> LaserJock, it's always a pleasure to chat with someone so reasonable
[09:01] <LaserJock> pfft
[09:02] <LaserJock> I can be as stubborn as the next person
[09:02] <LaserJock> but I do *try*
[09:02] <kiko> you try to be stubborn?
[09:02] <LaserJock> no ;p , I try to be reasonable
[09:06] <LaserJock> kiko: I just sent a followup to the list, just to wrap the discussion up
[09:07] <LaserJock> in case somebody searches for it in the future
[09:07] <kiko> thanks
[09:07] <kiko> thanks so much
[09:12] <pparks> Sorry was in a team discussion
[09:12] <pparks> Are you ready for us to ask you a couple questions
[09:13] <kiko> pparks, sure I am.
[09:13] <pparks> We are the team that's responsible for the HPLIP page.
[09:14] <dwelch91> https://launchpad.net/hplip
[09:14] <dwelch91> The person who set up the page has left the company and we need access.
[09:14] <dwelch91> he was the only admin
[09:15] <dwelch91> (sorry, pparks' laptop ran out of battery)
[09:15] <pparks> Okay have power again
[09:15] <pparks> Sorry about that
[09:16] <kiko> dwelch91, pparks: okay, that happens.
[09:16] <kiko> pparks, can I suggest you create a team to manage that page, and I'll do the necessary reassignment?
[09:16] <dwelch91> can we be added as admins or reset the project?
[09:16] <kiko> by using a team you'll be able to delegate control of the project more flexibly
[09:16] <dwelch91> ok, what are the steps?
[09:17] <pparks> Do you have a link as well
[09:18] <kiko> dwelch91, pparks: to create a team: launchpad.net/people/+newteam
[09:18] <kiko> you can create it and add as many members and admins as you like
[09:18] <pparks> ok
[09:18] <kiko> once that's done just tell me the name of the team and I'll reassign.
[09:19] <pparks> Doing that right now
[09:20] <pparks> Team with hplip is already taken
[09:21] <dwelch91> We created a team named "hplip-team"
[09:21] <LaserJock> pparks: is Aaron Albright the guy that left?
[09:21] <dwelch91> how do we hook this up to the hplip project?
[09:21] <dwelch91> yes
[09:21] <dwelch91> he must have created the "hplip" team as well
[09:21] <LaserJock> it looks like he created the hplip team
[09:21] <dwelch91> he needs to be removed from the project
[09:22] <kiko> I'll sort it out.
[09:22] <dwelch91> or team, etc
[09:22] <LaserJock> so maybe kiko can just make you guys admins for hplip
[09:22] <dwelch91> that would be fine
[09:22] <dwelch91> i don't think pparks has a lp.net acct, but i di
[09:22] <dwelch91> do
[09:22] <dwelch91> "dwelch91"
[09:23] <dwelch91> on a related topic, is it possible to purge the "answers" section of the project?
[09:25] <kiko> dwelch91, meaning you wouldn't want to allow people to post questions to your team?
[09:25] <dwelch91> no, we want to get rid of all the old stuff that aaron had done in there - get a fresh start - we are moving our support from sf.net to lp.net
[09:26] <kiko> dwelch91, that's awesome to hear. I see now -- by purge you mean "do away with old questions", I imagine?
[09:27] <dwelch91> yes
[09:27] <dwelch91> its not a huge deal, but it would be nice to start with a "clean slate"
[09:29] <kiko> dwelch91, okay, so you're now an administrator of https://launchpad.net/~hplip
[09:29] <dwelch91> great, thanks
[09:29] <dwelch91> 1 more question -
[09:29] <kiko> dwelch91, as an admin you can add or remove people from that team by visiting https://launchpad.net/~hplip/+members
[09:29] <dwelch91> i reviewed your terms of service...
[09:30] <kiko> I imagine one thing you'll want to do is remove Aaron from that team (I didn't do it)
[09:30] <kiko> I also made ~hplip (the team) own hplip (the project)
[09:30] <dwelch91> do you have the same restriction as sf.net on only allowing FOSS s/w in the project download areas?
[09:30] <dwelch91> great, thanks
[09:30] <kiko> as you can review at https://launchpad.net/hplip/
[09:30] <dwelch91> i will shortly
[09:30] <kiko> dwelch91, I'll arrange with mthaddon to delete the superfluous hplip-team now that we've established that ~hplip is what we all wanted.
[09:31] <dwelch91> ok, good
[09:32] <kiko> dwelch91, I'm not sure we have the same restriction on the download area; it's a good question.
[09:32] <kiko> dwelch91, if you post a question to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I'll make sure it gets answered.
[09:32] <dwelch91> We are going to be needing to host some proprietary plugins into our FOSS driver...
[09:33] <dwelch91> the overall project is FOSS, but in order to support some of our devices, we have to ship some closed source .so files.
[09:33] <kiko> dwelch91, I see what you mean. well, just give me a URL to the question and I'll get it answered
[09:33] <dwelch91> we can't do that on sf.net, and are hoping we can on lp.net
[09:33] <dwelch91> URL to the question?
[09:34] <pparks> I got to run
 dwelch91, if you post a question to answers.launchpad.net/launchpad I'll make sure it gets answered.
[09:34] <dwelch91> oh, ok
[09:34] <kiko> I was referring to that
[09:34] <kiko> thanks
[09:34] <kiko> dwelch91, one last question
[09:34] <dwelch91> ga
[09:34] <kiko> ~hplip is currently owned by aaron
[09:34] <kiko> should I reassign to you or someone else?
[09:35] <dwelch91> he needs to be removed from the prj completely (replace w/me i guess)
[09:35] <dwelch91> "dwelch91"
[09:35] <kiko> the owner is the same as a project administrator in all regards except for the fact that he can't be demoted
[09:35] <kiko> okay, I'll fix that up.
[09:35] <dwelch91> thanks
[09:36] <kiko> done
[09:36] <kiko> dwelch91, by the way,
[09:36] <kiko> dwelch91, you'll probably want to change the contact email address for that team (which is currently set to aaron's email)
[09:36] <dwelch91> ok, will do
[09:37] <kiko> dwelch91, if you need any explanation of how that works just ask.
[09:37] <dwelch91> i will give it a try 1st
[09:37] <kiko> sure thing
[09:38] <dwelch91> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/12319
[09:39] <kiko> thanks.
[09:40] <dwelch91> kiko, thanks for all your help
[09:41] <kiko> dwelch91, you're welcome; just ask if you need any guidance
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135153 in malone "xsane segfaults" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135153
[12:36] <mpt> ok, the person Bugs advanced search page is getting out of hand
[12:36] <mpt> 407 milestones listed
[12:37] <kiko> mpt, I asked BjornT to work on that and he blew me off!
[12:39] <LaserJock> yeah, I agree it is getting more difficult to find what you want
[12:41] <kiko> oh, that was tags. I'm confused. :)
[12:41] <kiko> mpt, we should probably omit milestones from that view.
[12:42] <mpt> kiko, and what would be the replacement way of making them searchable?
[12:42] <mpt> Let's say I want to return bugs assigned to me that are targeted to any of Launchpad 1.1.9, Launchpad Bugs 1.1.9, Launchpad Translations 1.1.9, or Soyuz 1.1.9
[12:43] <kiko> mpt, is that really necessary for the person view?
[12:43] <kiko> why don't you just visit the milestone pages?
[12:43] <kiko> (which is what I do)
[12:43] <BjornT> kiko, mpt: we should dislay on the relevant milestones (i.e., only milestones included in the bug listing)
[12:43] <mpt> You're suggesting I should visit four separate milestone pages?
[12:44] <mpt> BjornT, that would be good.
[12:44] <mpt> And the same for tags, as kiko suggested.
[12:45] <kiko> right
[12:45] <mpt> At least, it would be a good start