[02:09] <ollie_> Hi, I'm in the process of trying to get my focusrite saffire interface working on ubuntu. I installed ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins, added myself to the audio group, started qjackctl and changed it to firewire, and clicked start, and i got sound for a bit. It momentarily pauses when new applications are opened, and it seems to have died completely when I was installing this irc client with apt. How do I get this working?
[02:12] <holstein> ollie_: you can ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians if you'd like
[02:12] <holstein> i am told it works out of the box in 12.04
[02:13] <holstein> ollie__:  you can ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians if you'd like
[02:13] <holstein> i am told it works out of the box in 12.04
[02:13] <holstein> i have a firewire device and i typically troubleshoot as root
[02:13] <holstein> i dont leave JACK running all the time either, nor do i run pulse audio through it, but im told that works well now too
[02:14] <ollie__> hm
[02:14] <holstein> i would open a terminal and run "gksudo qjackctl"
[02:14] <holstein> i would choose the firewire driver
[02:14] <holstein> i would choose settings like 1024/2
[02:15] <holstein> under setup
[02:15] <ollie__> yep
[02:15] <holstein> 1024 frames per period
[02:15] <ollie__> I dont have a realtime kernel, should i untick realtime?
[02:15] <holstein> 2 periods per buffer
[02:15] <holstein> ollie__: you can try it.. it shouldnt make it fail, but try both if you are having issues
[02:16] <ollie__> ok, now how do i test it? do i need to run my audio player as root?
[02:16] <holstein> ollie__: you can.. i typically just get it started though,a nd see that it starts
[02:17] <holstein> you could run something else as root if you want to hear something
[02:17] <ollie__> it has started
[02:17] <holstein> then, troubleshoot permissions errors or whatever
[02:17] <holstein> you want to run it as a normal user ASAP
[02:18] <ollie__> okay
[02:18] <ollie__> I cant seem to make it make sound as root
[02:18] <ollie__> I think i need to change the sound settings too
[02:18] <ollie__> but it was working as a normal user
[02:18] <holstein> ollie__: maybe you dont have the speakers in properly?
[02:18] <holstein> ollie__: you shouldnt need to change any sound settings
[02:19] <ollie__> im not actually using ubuntu per se, but a distro based on it
[02:19] <holstein> ollie__: kxstudio?
[02:19] <ollie__> elementary os
[02:19] <holstein> shouldnt be anything there that is breaking our stuff
[02:19] <ollie__> i had to change the sound device to jack in their settings panel
[02:19] <holstein> ollie__: you shouldnt have to
[02:19] <ollie__> so i guess i would need to do that as root
[02:19] <holstein> ollie__: i would leave that be
[02:20] <ollie__> ok
[02:20] <holstein> just start JACK, and use what tools you want with JACK
[02:20] <ollie__> i will try as a normal user again
[02:20] <holstein> unless you want all the system sound going through JACK.. but their tool wont help with that i say
[02:20] <ollie__> am I meant to use everything with jack?
[02:20] <holstein> ollie__: you dont have to. i dont
[02:20] <ollie__> ah
[02:20] <ollie__> well i dont know how to get my interface to work without jack
[02:21] <holstein> ollie__: you cant really yet, but you can do pulse to jack bridging
[02:21] <ollie__> its saying jack server could not be started, sorry
[02:21] <ollie__> every time its done that ive had to reboot to get it to work again
[02:21] <holstein> ollie__: i would just look at the messages and troubleshoot
[02:21] <ollie__> is there another way?
[02:21] <holstein> it'll be permissions
[02:21] <holstein> ollie__: another way to what?
[02:22] <holstein> use your firewire device for all sound? not yet
[02:22] <holstein> the alsa firewire stuff is very new if available at all
[02:22] <ollie__> i meant to get jack going again without rebooting
[02:22] <holstein> ollie__: i would read the messages and troubleshoot them
[02:22] <ollie__> ok it appears to have frozen... reboot it is
[02:22] <holstein> ollie__: if it starts as ROOT, then its a permissions issue
[02:22] <holstein> ollie__: sudo killall jack or jackd
[02:23] <ollie__> it was starting earlier as a normal user
[02:23] <holstein> or ps aux | grep jack
[02:23] <ollie__> it worked momentarily
[02:23] <ollie__> once i set the audio device as jack in the gui
[02:23] <holstein> ollie__: if its only starting for a blip, that doesnt count
[02:23] <ollie__> i was playing music
[02:23] <holstein> ollie__: all im saying is if it runs as root, you can stop configuring the system
[02:24] <ollie__> ok, well it runs
[02:24] <holstein> ollie__: you can relax the jack settings too... even more than i suggested
[02:24] <holstein> 2048/2
[02:25] <ollie__> Is jack for audio applications like ardour, or for everything?
[02:25] <ollie__> At the moment I just want to get basic sound output through my interface
[02:25] <holstein> ollie__: JACK is open, so *anything* can be written with JACK support
[02:25] <holstein> jack connects any software and hardware that has jack support
[02:26] <holstein> ollie__: i just take a cable from the output of my internal sound card, and plug into the inputs on my device
[02:26] <ollie__> is that ffado thing the driver for firewire devices?
[02:26] <holstein> ollie__: ffado is the firewire driver
[02:27] <holstein> i would just ask [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians
[02:27] <holstein> he as that device and uses it all the time
[02:27] <ollie__> What would that do? I want to use the interface as my sound card
[02:27] <ollie__> ah okay
[02:27] <ollie__> thanks a lot for the help
[02:28] <holstein> ollie__: you can either use the pulse to jack bridge, or just use a jack aware player like audacious
[02:28] <holstein> or just take a cable and analog jack the internal sound care runnning pulse to the firewire interface
[02:31] <ollie__> How do I use the pulse to jack bridge?
[02:31] <holstein> ollie__: AFAIK, its installed by default..i would just pop over and ask [lsd] about it
[02:31] <holstein> i dont use it
[02:31] <holstein> i just use audacious, or the cable
[02:32] <ollie__> I've sent lsd a message, just waiting on a response
[02:33] <holstein> you have?
[02:34] <holstein> i would just message him in the channel.. but do what you like
[02:34] <ollie__> i.imgur.com/cIZHN.jpg I've got my music playing, this time with realtime unticked, and it seems to be working better. Pic shows how I have it setup in the DE's sound settings
[02:34] <holstein> i typically dont send PM's without asking first
[02:34] <holstein> ollie__: if you have no lowlatency or RT kernel, theres no reason to check that box
[02:34] <holstein> i would leave it unticked, and just see if you can keep it running
[02:34] <ollie__> How do I get rid of the gui without killing jack?
[02:34] <holstein> relax the settings to 2048/2 or whatever
[02:35] <holstein> ollie__: you can start jack from the command line, but then you dont have the connections
[02:35] <holstein> you can click the icon in the tray and it will minimize
[02:35] <holstein> there are settings about how you would likt it to minimize
[02:37] <ollie__> ah, i see, cool
[02:37] <ollie__> So I guess I should just set it to autostart
[02:37] <holstein> ollie__: i dont
[02:37] <holstein> ollie__: i like to see if start each time, and i have different profiles
[02:37] <holstein> try i though... see what you like
[02:38] <ollie__> do you have sound from your interface without jack running?
[02:38] <ollie__> because of your cable?
[02:38] <holstein> ollie__: sure
[02:38] <holstein> ollie__: i also have a console though that my audio is going through
[02:39] <ollie__> Yeah thats why i'd want to autostart, as I need it on to get any sound
[02:39] <Stuzz> afternoon
[02:39] <ollie__> hey
[02:40] <Stuzz> sup?
[02:40] <holstein> ollie__: try it... i dont
[02:40] <holstein> ollie__: you get sound through the device when JACK is not running
[02:40] <holstein> there should be a mix knob... a "live" side and a "computer" side
[02:40] <holstein> something like that
[02:41] <holstein> you can just use the preamps and the mixer as a PA with the unit unplugged from a computer
[02:42] <ollie__> I suppose that could work
[02:42] <ollie__> I like to route separate things to separate outputs though
[02:42] <holstein> ollie__: it does.. its how you "monitor" before things get tracked
[02:42] <ollie__> one is my headphones, one is speakers
[02:42] <holstein> ollie__: route what you want where you want
[02:42] <holstein> im just saying what works for me...
[02:42] <ollie__> sure
[18:59] <fruitflies> hi all, got an old ibookg3 that can run linux...  is there a use for this as an audio tool, perhaps a really minimal midi sequencer??  tks.
[20:19] <fruitflies> hi all, got an old ibookg3 that can run linux...  is there a use for this as an audio tool, perhaps a really minimal midi sequencer??  tks.