[17:54] <karab44> sveta: I just entered password on black screen and it logged into desktop
[17:54] <karab44> PatrickDickey: are you kidding me?
[17:55] <tmerriam> thanks
[17:55] <libmn> Any suggestions?  I would have thought that kernel upgrade breaking the system for everyone using disk encyption would be a serious issue...
[17:55] <sveta> karab44: I'll try it next time
[17:55] <karab44> sveta: after loggining in screen turns visible
[17:55] <PatrickDickey> karab44 The Blank screen is the default screensaver, iirc.
[17:55] <ysantos> cual es canal español
[17:55] <ysantos> ??
[17:55] <d3vlabs> is there a device manager for linux
[17:55] <d3vlabs> like windows has
[17:55] <karab44> PatrickDickey: there could be many reasons why screen is black but definitely not by screensaver, sorry.
[17:55] <PatrickDickey> ysantos hablas ingles?
[17:56] <ysantos> como los bit...
[17:56] <ysantos> like the bit
[17:56] <PatrickDickey> karab44 that's what it sounds like to me though. Since you said that typing your password in brings up your desktop.
[17:56] <PatrickDickey> !es | ysantos
[17:57] <ysantos> thanks...!!
[17:57] <PatrickDickey> de nada
[17:57] <karab44> PatrickDickey: after I entered and accepted password it showed visible desktop so only lightdm is black.
[17:57] <PatrickDickey> Ahhhh that's different then. :S
[17:58] <karab44> yep, missunderstanding
[17:58] <karab44> bbl
[17:59] <PatrickDickey> karab44 check this bug out, and see if it's the same https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1281846
[17:59] <ysh> the output for ps -p pid -o comm= and ps -p pid -o cmd= is different, shouldnt they be same ?
[18:00] <PatrickDickey> ysantos, necessita escribe /join ubuntu-es
[18:00] <ysantos> vale
[18:00] <karab44> PatrickDickey: yes I had that bug earilier
[18:00] <karab44> but I didn't wait any second, I just entered password on blind and whole Desktop appeared
[18:01] <CountryfiedLinux> ok trying to run gnome-tweak-took and getting this error
[18:01] <CountryfiedLinux> ** (gnome-tweak-tool:14249): WARNING **: Couldn't register with accessibility bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:01] <CountryfiedLinux> WARNING : Shell not installed or running
[18:01] <CountryfiedLinux> any suggestions?
[18:01] <Beldar> ysantos, stop posting and go here. #ubuntu-cl
[18:03] <sqard> does Linux support sound external card...js bought one n iz nt woking.
[18:03] <karab44> I have a worse problem from time to time after booting I have a black screen and I can't nothing do about it. Error says that it has to use default graphic drivers and after that it's only black screen. I have to reboot from tty
[18:03] <snuggles08> HELP!!!
[18:03] <OerHeks> CountryfiedLinux, those 'warnings' are just messages, no problem.
[18:03] <Beldar> CountryfiedLinux, this in a computer you are sshing and does it even have a desktop?
[18:03] <karab44> bbl
[18:04] <CountryfiedLinux> yes Beldar Unity
[18:04] <OerHeks> CountryfiedLinux, lots of progs give messages when you start it from cmd
[18:04] <CountryfiedLinux> OerHeks, but it doesn't launch
[18:04] <Beldar> CountryfiedLinux, That tool is for the gnome-shell or fallback anyway basically
[18:04] <ysantos> beldar vale pues ya estaba lokillo
[18:04] <prappl93> Is there a way to switch 14.04 out of LTS mode?
[18:05] <Beldar> you want unity-tweak
[18:05] <CountryfiedLinux> Beldar, Any good alternatives to gnome-tweak-tool and ubuntu-tweak?
[18:05] <bean> prappl93, as in upgrade to 14.10 when it comes out?
[18:05] <prappl93> Yes.
[18:05] <PatrickDickey> karab44 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2123131 maybe? There's a reference to another bug and comments that might work.
[18:05] <Beldar> CountryfiedLinux, you want unity-twea
[18:05] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak
[18:05] <OerHeks> it does exist
[18:05] <snuggles08> I accidently moved /home inside of /lib and I can't run nautilus or terminal!
[18:05] <bazhang> unity-tweak-tool is the package
[18:05] <iceburnt> why my ubuntu can't detect the signal wifi?
[18:05] <OerHeks> ah thanks bazhang
[18:06] <bean> pradeep, http://askubuntu.com/questions/110477/how-do-i-upgrade-to-a-newer-version-of-ubuntu appears to have answers. Should be a config in the "Software Sources" prefs.
[18:06] <Beldar> iceburnt, in the terminal run lspci find the wifi hardware and post just that.
[18:06] <sqard> js bought external sound card for my desktop...wit microsoft z wokin bt on Linux z nt.ani one wit solutions plis hlp
[18:06] <PatrickDickey> prappl93 The LTS just means that it's going to be supported longer than the intermediate releases. It's "Long Term Support".
[18:07] <snuggles08> sqard: I can't even understand what you're trying to say.
[18:07] <Beldar> sqard, Try to use whole words here please.
[18:07] <TerranceWarrior> anyone here have trouble with sane/scanners under ubuntu?
[18:07] <PatrickDickey> sqard We need more information please. Like the brand and model of the sound card. Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
[18:07] <prappl93> PatrickDickey, I know. I was just curious because if my memory serves me correctly there used to be 2 ISOs released every LTS release (2 years) for just the LTS set up and the non-LTS one. Couldn't find a non-LTS one this time.
[18:07] <iceburnt> broadcom bcm4312 Beldar
[18:07] <bean> !sane | TerranceWarrior
[18:08] <Beldar> !broadcom | iceburnt
[18:08] <snuggles08> Help please?
[18:08] <PatrickDickey> prappl93 Are you referring to the desktop and alternative isos?
[18:08] <iceburnt> thx u
[18:09] <PatrickDickey> snuggles08 please refresh my memory, what's the problem that you're having?
[18:09] <prappl93> PatrickDickey: I tried looking in the alternative section and couldn't find an image that wasn't branded for LTS. I'll just switch the software sources closer to the release of 14.10 and get 14.10 that way.
[18:09] <bean> snuggles08, can you open a command prompt?
[18:09] <Beldar> snuggles08, Do not plead help here please, it just confuses stuff, and people will help if your understood and they know.
[18:10] <PatrickDickey> prappl93 IIRC (and I'm old, so forgive me :D) there were various isos available (Desktop, Server, NetInstall, Alternative (text-based)) in the past. They moved away from those to just Desktop and Server.
[18:10] <karab44> well ... I am not sure it started to happen I believe after changing internal graphics card parameter in BIOS.
[18:10] <bazhang> theres also mini iso PatrickDickey
[18:11] <prappl93> PatrickDickey, that's what I was thinking. They still have the Net install one in the Alts section. I just thought they used to release an LTS-specific ISO as well as a non-LTS for people who didn't want to configure it that way.
[18:11] <bazhang> !mini
[18:11] <bean> prappl93, 14.04 is an LTS, there's no "non-lts" version of it :)
[18:11] <captine> hi all.  simple question.  got GIMP installed, but it is not visible in my dash/menu.  can run it from the command line though??? any ideas
[18:12] <Beldar> captine, Are you missing any other apps from showing?
[18:12] <PatrickDickey> It might have been a branding thing, like you mentioned earlier prappl93. But I think they moved away from that, as they're getting more popular.
[18:12] <prappl93> bean, what I am saying is before (a few years ago if memory serves correctly) whenever they released a new LTS one, they had an image ready for LTS users, and one ready for non-LTS that way they didn't have to toggle LTS off.
[18:12] <prappl93> They seem to not be doing that anymore.
[18:12] <bean> Hmm, if that existed I never knew about it. Such a thing doesn't exist now, afaik.
[18:12] <captine> Beldar, not sure.  just re-installed and did a big copy and past of the apt-get install xxx xxx xxx that I had kept to get the machine back to it's old state
[18:12] <captine> only using it for a couple hours
[18:12] <kostkon> prappl93: that was never the case
[18:13] <PatrickDickey> snuggles08 when you say you moved /home into /lib, how did you do that?
[18:13] <Beldar> captine, You can reset unity and compiz, the commands have changed from 12.04 to 14.04 so if you look this up be sure it is your releases command.
[18:14] <libmn> Can anyone help?  Kernel upgrade made my system unbootable!  (See above.)
[18:14] <snuggles08> PatrickDickey: I fixed it myself.
[18:14] <PatrickDickey> snuggles08 Glad to hear it.
[18:15] <PatrickDickey> libmn when you try booting, hold your shift key down until you get a GRUB menu. Then try choosing an earlier kernel, see if it boots that way.
[18:16] <ravindu> hello
[18:17] <PatrickDickey> libmn If you're able to boot it with the earlier kernel, you should be able to remove the later one.
[18:17] <ravindu> anyone using xChat IRC here?
[18:17] <ravindu> anyone using xChat IRC here?
[18:17]  * PatrickDickey is using IceChat on Windows 8.....
[18:17] <ravindu> actually, XChat IRC Client
[18:17] <ravindu> anyone using it/
[18:17] <ravindu> *?
[18:17] <Durabys> Can you people please point me towards someone who can help me in regards to Hadrware incompatibility and Ubuntu.
[18:18] <ravindu> google whatever hardware question you want
[18:18] <Beldar> ravindu, Many, address the actual issue please/
[18:18] <PatrickDickey> ravindu Are you having an issue with XChat, or are you just curious if people use it?
[18:18] <ravindu> search for it on ubuntu forums
[18:18] <Durabys> I have it already all covered here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2227432
[18:18] <bazhang> !google | ravindu
[18:18] <ravindu> at stacksocial
[18:18] <PatrickDickey> Durabys what hardware are you having problems with?
[18:18] <ravindu> okay ubottu
[18:18] <WilsonMathew> I just installed ubuntu 14.04 lst into my laptop and I just boots into windows 8
[18:18] <WilsonMathew> I tried boot repair
[18:19] <Durabys> External WD  HDD 2.5inch 2TB device..all detail explained on that thread
[18:19] <ravindu> you can configure windows boot options to show ubuntu in it, I think
[18:19] <WilsonMathew> but I still gives me this problem, what can I do next?
[18:19] <ravindu> its done in windows
[18:20] <ravindu> WilsonMathew, did you install Grub?
[18:20] <Beldar> WilsonMathew, Put the Auto generated bootinfo summary in this thread. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[18:20] <PatrickDickey> Durabys when you ran the drive on Windows, did you use the WD utilities that came with it?
[18:21]  * PatrickDickey this is why I hate WD now--and I used to love their drives...
[18:21] <Beldar> ravindu, Do you know anything about UEFI?
[18:21] <karab44> guys I can't record my microphone nicely, sound Input Front Microphone appears only after Audacity is launched. It's not detected after pluggining it in.
[18:22] <ravindu> Beldar, I have heard of something called UEFI SecureBoot being a feature of Windows 8
[18:22] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew in Windows 8, You have a setting for Fast Boot. Did you disable that? I'll have to dig for it, but it's in Settings somewhere.
[18:22] <ravindu> Oh Yeah, thats it
[18:22] <ravindu> Disable Fast boot
[18:22] <Durabys> Can some of your reply to me on that thread I am starting to lose the discussion "thread" here. :-)
[18:23] <Beldar> ravindu, Cool, these dualboots are a big issue, it is not a guessing game, not many are up on fixing these, so just be aware and help when you know please. ;)
[18:23] <WilsonMathew> PatrickDickey, yes I did disable it.
[18:23] <libmn> I'm not able to boot with any kernel (see above).
[18:23] <Durabys> Sorry I have to leave.  Work calls.
[18:23] <ravindu> Wow... I'm sorry
[18:23] <libmn> What kernel version should I install?
[18:24] <WilsonMathew> Beldar, I will make the auto generated bootingo summary and pos it
[18:24] <Beldar> WilsonMathew, Careful here, many will try to help on this who are clueless.
[18:25] <WilsonMathew> Beldar, In caseI can't intall ubunut in my laptop? what other options do I have to use linux? because I hate using windows.
[18:26] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew I had to use the Server disc, if I remember correctly. And then install a desktop on top of that.
[18:27] <PatrickDickey> Also, WilsonMathew if you can't get Ubuntu working, you could try Fedora. It's just as good (well that's a matter of personal preference, I guess).
[18:27] <GothPaw> when setting my ip static for my eth0 do I put my router ip for the gateway or should I put the gateway ip given to my router by my isp?
[18:27] <Beldar> WilsonMathew, If it were me I would image/clone windows, should be done first anyway, for needs or a resale in our case. However as I have suggested a person experienced an knowing in this area is your best help.
[18:27] <TerranceWarrior> sometimes my usb epson v370 scanner works, sometimes it doesn't. it doesn't appear to be on the sane list.
[18:27] <PatrickDickey> GothPaw, you'll put the router IP (192.168.x.x) in.
[18:28] <TerranceWarrior> it's brand new too.
[18:28] <GothPaw> PatrickDickey: thanks.... thought so but wanted to be certain.
[18:28] <Vivekananda> hey everyone how do I change the default tab to spaces in ubuntu in terminator ?
[18:29] <ravindu> BTW, whats the topic of conversation?
[18:29] <TerranceWarrior> site has scanimage drivers.
[18:29] <TerranceWarrior> bogus
[18:29] <Elpower> is correct?: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1  env PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 skype %U
[18:29] <WilsonMathew> patrickDickey, Well I just want to be able to install any linux distro in my laptop but It seems that the problem is my computer and not the disto. Because I have tried fedora, mint and even arch linux but I can't seem to find a way to intall any of these.
[18:30] <libmn> Is there another channel where I might be able to get help?
[18:30] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew Did you go into your BIOS and disable SecureBoot?
[18:30] <WilsonMathew> yes.
[18:30] <ssmy> so, I turned off my server for the first time in a few months (ubuntu 12.04), and it fails to boot now with grub error partition not found. Did the whole reinstall grub via chroot and all, but no change. any ideas?
[18:30] <WilsonMathew> and I also tried withoug disabling it.
[18:30] <PatrickDickey> limn when you try GRUB, did you also try the Recovery Mode options?
[18:31] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew are you trying to install with the Desktop version?
[18:31] <ssmy> also, ls in grub rescue is blank
[18:32] <WilsonMathew> patrickDicke, I dont think my computer has a BIOS or a legacy mode option. Yes, I am trying to intall the desktop version.
[18:33] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew When I refer to BIOS, I mean the system setup (as you're booting). And you don't want to use the Compatibility Mode, otherwise Windows won't boot. You might need to use the server version to install Ubuntu though.
[18:34] <PatrickDickey> IIRC, that's the only way I could get Ubuntu to install, was using the Server iso and going with minimal and then manually installing a desktop later... :S
[18:34] <TerranceWarrior> bogus
[18:34] <Beldar> ssmy, Did you purge grub and reinstall than load the mbr?
[18:34] <WilsonMathew> patrickDickey what is the difference between the server version and the desktop one?
[18:35] <ssmy> Beldar, no, just grub-install/grub-update. I suppose I could. not sure what changed though
[18:35] <PatrickDickey> WilsonMathew The server one basically installs the things you'll need to run a server. Where the desktop doesn't. The desktop installs the programs that a regular user would need.
[18:36] <Beldar> ssmy, easiest way to get to the issue since you kno how to chroot.
[18:36] <iceburnt> how to browsing with hidden ip address?
[18:36] <PatrickDickey> ssmy did grub install have any errors?
[18:36] <Bray90820_> So i am running ubuntu in a VM on OSX and i was wondering of there was a way to get gparted to recognize my osx/bootcamp partition
[18:37] <Beldar> Bray90820_, Why that just makes no sense,
[18:37] <Bray90820_> I need to change a partition type of my bootcamp partition to get osx to recognize it correctly
[18:38] <WilsonMathew> patricDickey and Beldar, Well thanks. I will keep trying and will let you know how it goes. thanks
[18:38] <PatrickDickey> Bray90820_ Probably not. As far as Ubuntu is concerned nothing outside of the vdk file the "hard disk you created" exists. You'd have to use a Live CD to deal with the actual drive.
[18:38] <Beldar> Bray90820_, You would never do it from a vm, get the gparted disc and boot it.
[18:38] <ssmy> PatrickDickey, no. grub-update said something about lvm in /run, but it's not running lvm.
[18:38] <iceburnt> why after I upgrade in booting there is some kernel image with different version in advanced ubuntu?
[18:39] <Bray90820_> Do you by chance know if you can install gparted to a USB stick
[18:39] <PatrickDickey> iceburnt because until you remove the older versions, they are available for you to choose from. It would be in case the newer version has issues, or in case of compatibility problems.
[18:39] <ssmy> Beldar, just purge grub-pc? or grub*
[18:39] <Beldar> Bray90820_, Not sure even if that is the best option a vm is definitely the worst though.
[18:40] <Bray90820_> Well I know a ubuntu usb would do exactly what i want but that's not an optin right now
[18:40] <PatrickDickey> Bray90820_ Why isn't an Ubuntu USB an option?
[18:40] <Beldar> ssmy, grub grub-common grub-pc
[18:41] <Bray90820_> Yes ubuntu usb is an option but it requires an 8GB drive i only have 4
[18:41] <Beldar> Bray90820_, Just be careful om not default to a crazy idea is all. ;)
[18:42] <Beldar> to*
[18:42] <PatrickDickey> Bray90820_ I think I'm confused. You need an 8GB usb to run the Ubuntu Live CD from it?
[18:42] <Bray90820_> Yes
[18:42] <Bray90820_> You are correct
[18:42] <Bray90820_> The flash drive i have is only 4GB
[18:43] <iceburnt> what for remmina is?
[18:43] <Beldar> Bray90820_, gparted by its self is a small download
[18:43] <PatrickDickey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick according to this, you only need a 2GB one.
[18:43] <OerHeks> 1 gb is enough
[18:44] <ssmy> Beldar, PatrickDickey seems to have gone fine. output http://paste.ubuntu.com/7645223/
[18:44] <Beldar> Bray90820_ sounds like your thinking full install of ubuntu on the usb, just use the iso loaded correctly.
[18:45] <Beldar> ssmy, Does it boot?
[18:45] <Bray90820_> I was thinking live i have done it many times before
[18:45] <ssmy> Beldar, about to try, have to reboot. brb
[18:45] <Beldar> Bray90820_, Live is only 1 gig
[18:46] <Beldar> no persistent
[18:46] <Vivekananda> anyone care to comment ?
[18:46] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Sure, I love lattes
[18:47] <PatrickDickey> Vivekananda and Beldar I prefer Frappachinos.
[18:47] <Elpower> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1  env PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 skype %U <- is correct for using in Skype.desktop?
[18:47] <PatrickDickey> Elpower Give me a second, and I'll look at my old Skype.sh file.
[18:48] <Beldar> Vivekananda, just repost in the time the channels asks you to follow.
[18:49] <Beldar> cryptic Helps are really unproductive
[18:49] <PatrickDickey> Elpower here's what I have in my older skype file LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libv4l/v4l1compat.so /usr/bin/skype your mileage may vary on whether it works for you though.
[18:49] <Bray90820_> Beldar: I'll try creating it and report back
[18:49] <Beldar> Bray90820_, cool
[18:49] <PatrickDickey> Elpower I should have asked what you're trying to do with Skype though. That was just to get my webcam working
[18:49] <ravindu> whats the best web browser for ubuntu?
[18:49] <ravindu> whats the best web browser for ubuntu?
[18:50] <PatrickDickey> ravindu whatever you like using.
[18:50] <OerHeks> ravindu, best is an opinion, there is no single best
[18:50] <Beldar> ravindu, best is subjective, find what you like and label it for yourself. ;)
[18:50] <ravindu> LOL yeah, but what do many people use? Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox?
[18:50] <ravindu> Or Opera?
[18:50]  * PatrickDickey lynx.
[18:50] <Beldar> ravindu, no polling here please
[18:50] <ravindu> Oh Okay.
[18:51] <PatrickDickey> ravindu Yes, yes, and not on your life. :P Sorry. I couldn't resist it.
[18:52] <Beldar> ravindu, probably percentiles on the web however. ;)
[18:52] <ravindu> Im an Ubuntu n0b.
[18:52] <ravindu> *n00b
[18:52] <ravindu> Just installed 14.04
[18:52]  * PatrickDickey is going to be upset if I have to use VGA to get rid of the hissing noise from my Graphics Card...
[18:53] <PatrickDickey> No worries ravindu. The nice thing is, you can try them all and decide for yourself.
[18:53] <PatrickDickey> And you can have them all installed.
[18:53] <OerHeks> ravindu, all webbrowsers will work fine, except IE
[18:53] <Beldar> ravindu, we ask that you use single posts here to as well, not enter like a punctuation. Do you have a support issue to address?
[18:54] <ravindu> Please don't get annoyed by my amateurism
[18:54] <ravindu> Nope
[18:54] <ravindu> Is this channel only for support issues?
[18:54] <Beldar> ravindu, no anoyance just that the channel has norms that when follwed you will be best served is all. ;)
[18:54] <PatrickDickey> ravindu that's the preferred use here.
[18:55] <ravindu> Oh Okay :)
[18:55] <Beldar> ravindu, yes support only
[18:55] <PatrickDickey> You'll probably want to go to ubuntu-offtopic to ask your questions ravindu.
[18:55] <Beldar> you are doing fine, in asking and learning ravindu ;)
[18:56]  * PatrickDickey by no means am I saying you need to *leave* this channel though.
[18:56] <ravindu> How do I connect to ubuntu-offtopic
[18:56] <PatrickDickey> ravindu type /join #ubuntu-offtopic in and hit enter.
[18:56] <Beldar> ravindu, /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:56] <ravindu> THanks
[18:56] <Beldar> np
[19:00] <ssmy> Beldar: okay, so it booted. once. then it does the same thing. thinking maybe disk failure?
[19:00] <norman> does cp have an option to rename instead of replace files with the same name?
[19:01] <PatrickDickey> norman typically you'll use mv to rename.
[19:01] <Beldar> ssmy, A live ubutnu has a gui for smartcheck,
[19:01] <norman> PatrickDickey: does mv have an option?
[19:01] <bprompt> norman:    there's a "rename" too, but usually would be "mv"
[19:02] <PatrickDickey> norman it has a lot of options.
[19:02] <m110h> 11
[19:02] <Beldar> ssmy, YOou might like a cli of that run, your call
[19:02] <Beldar> You*
[19:03] <norman> im just copying files from all levels in a directory into another directory and I don't want files to be overwritten if they have the same name
[19:03] <ssmy> Beldar: actually, that server runs a smart check daily on all drives. I will check manually though
[19:03] <Beldar> ssmy, Heh neglected to say the location of the smart tool in disks top right corner drop down if on a live desktop.
[19:03] <Beldar> ssmy, Ah cool good idea.
[19:05] <Beldar> ssmy, Since you have multiple discs I assume this =HD's be sure the one that has grub in the mbr is read first, should be the one with the OS on it. THis a raid?
[19:06] <Beldar> Do you said drives my mistake
[19:06] <Beldar> Doh*
[19:06] <ssmy> Beldar: it usually has the SSD to boot and a RAIDZ of 4 disks. currently it's in my desktop for testing. so just the one other disk.
[19:07] <Beldar> ssmy, Ah, never messed with raid so my help now is not really with any real knowledge
[19:07] <PatrickDickey> norman http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9392735/linux-how-to-copy-but-not-overwrite You'll use --no-clobber then in cp.
[19:07] <TJ-> norman: "cp --backup=numbered ..." may do what you want, check "man cp"
[19:07] <ssmy> well, I took the drives out, so otherwise it acts as a dead-simple single-disk, single-partition system. so that fixing things like this is easier.
[19:08] <Beldar> ssmy, That is where grub is and the OS, and first read in the ios?
[19:08] <Beldar> bios*
[19:09] <Beldar> pulling the HD might change the bios is a guess
[19:09] <Beldar> HD's
[19:10] <Beldar> ssmy, Or the boot we see usb boot reversing the HD listings
[19:10] <PatrickDickey> Beldar and ssmy, When you put the HD's back in, I think that's going to cause GRUB to freak out. Because it scans all of them, and doesn't find anything on the other ones.
[19:10] <dune> bye bye
[19:10] <ssmy> Beldar: honestly, not sure. I've been switching by choosing the disk to boot from. It did work the once though, so I don't think that's the issue
[19:10] <PatrickDickey> Even though you "install" grub on one drive, I think it puts a file on the others as well.
[19:10] <ssmy> PatrickDickey: it shouldn't. grub using GUIDs for ages now
[19:11] <Vivekananda> Beldar: okay although I dont know when that happen or what that looks like
[19:11] <Beldar> ssmy, I would just be careful with I think, check the HD as how read when not booting with a fdisk -l
[19:11] <ssmy> Beldar: well, it reads it second. can't do much about that though, it's mSATA
[19:11] <TJ-> PatrickDickey: No, grub doesn't need or put anything on any drive other than the drive it is told to
[19:12] <Beldar> Vivekananda, No clue as to what your addressing, which was my point to begin with.
[19:12] <PatrickDickey> Vivekananda are you having any issues?
[19:12] <Beldar> Vivekananda, I see your original post, had I an answer I would have answered that.
[19:13] <Vivekananda> Beldar: just referring to what you said --  Vivekananda, just repost in the time the channels asks you to follow
[19:13] <TJ-> ssmy: When you say it booted once, did you do anything differently that time to other boots - like manually selecting the boot disk via the BIOS/firmware boot device menu ?
[19:13] <Vivekananda> I dont know how that is indicated on the channel  ( ie it is asking me to follow)
[19:13] <Beldar> Vivekananda, Ah, ten minute intervals, be sure it is detailed when needed is all.
[19:14] <ssmy> TJ-: no, same as before. just open boot menu and choose. disk order shouldn't matter anymore I think.
[19:14] <ravindu> #ubuntu-offtopic is awesome!
[19:14] <ravindu> Thanks, whoever intorduced it to me
[19:15] <ravindu> whose name I cant remember
[19:15] <PatrickDickey> ravindu Glad you like it.
[19:15] <DrGrov> I am back
[19:15] <lsc> hi there, how to "du -sh *" with hidden files? :o
[19:15] <TJ-> ssmy: If there's more than one disk, it can; if not, it won't. It is possible (with multiple disks) that the non-boot disk has at some time in the past had (accidentally or otherwise) the GRUB core installed
[19:15] <DrGrov> So how can I get the properiatry drivers installed (mp3, flash) on 14.10 Xubuntu? How about getting the old /home directly to my new user on this fresh install?
[19:16] <Beldar> !14.10 | DrGrov
[19:16] <TJ-> ssmy: There are also some BIOSes out there that pass an incorrect boot-device indicator to the boot loader, causing boot failures because the boot loader tries to read the rest of its config and modules from the wrong device - that is relatively rare, though.
[19:17] <ssmy> TJ-: hmm. the other disk does have a functioning ubuntu install w/ grub on it. I guess I can try booting without it connected.
[19:17] <Beldar> DrGrov, 14.10 is #ubuntu+1
[19:17] <DrGrov> Oh sorry
[19:17] <DrGrov> I am sure it is 14.04 I mean :)
[19:17] <Beldar> no biggie DrGrov
[19:17] <Beldar> ah
[19:18] <DrGrov> Beldar, should I perhaps start by getting the nVidia drivers and see if I can get sound to play when I have it connected via HDMI?
[19:18] <Beldar> DrGrov, Have you instlled the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:18] <norman> TJ-: thanks, --backup=numbered worked for me
[19:18] <DrGrov> Beldar, No apparently not :) I will push them in right away
[19:19] <DrGrov> Beldar, now I have them. Is there anything else restricted I would be needing except that?
[19:19] <Beldar> !codecs | DrGrov, more good links
[19:20] <Beldar> DrGrov, I know nothing about graphic driver stuff, just a heads up
[19:22] <DrGrov> Beldar, Okay. Now I got the DVD and restricted-extras fixed. Additional Drivers and from there getting the nVidia drivers?
[19:24] <PatrickDickey> DrGrov to play DVD's you'll also have to run install-css.sh (it's in the page that talks about playing DVD's).
[19:28] <carlos_felix> hi. i need help. printer error cups-insecure-filter.
[19:29] <finisherr> Quick question. I'm installing a minimal ubuntu os to a subdirectory with debootstrap. Is there a way to minimize the size of the installation. Fedora based systems have febootstrap-minimize, which drastically cuts down on the size of the installation. Any similar tools on this end?
[19:32] <Vivekananda> I am trying to understand something related to emacs and ubuntu terminal .  I changed tabs to spaces as directed and tried it out. the output looks fine with M-x whitespace-mode in emacs but on the ubuntu terminal for some reason I get a tab = a lot of spaces. I dont understand how to change that . Here are the samples  ,   emacs :   http://imgur.com/bZhntWX,cpx02Tt#0     and  terminal  : http://imgur.com/bZhntWX,cpx02Tt#1
[19:39] <PatrickDickey> Vivekananda are you talking about when you actually run the program? Because the text you showed looks the same to me.
[19:40] <PatrickDickey> :QuixWorl4ot
[19:41] <DrGrov> How can I get NTP support in Xubuntu 14.04?
[19:41] <DrGrov> It does not seem to pick it up correctly when prompted
[19:41] <Vivekananda> PatrickDickey: the text is the same but the indentation is off on the console . It is okay on emacs. I am trying to figure out why the console just puts in so many spaces to make everything shift a long way to the right
[19:42] <ssmy> Vivekananda: the point of using tabs is that the viewer can change the tab width. presumably emacs is set to something lower than the terminal's default 8
[19:43] <Vivekananda> ssmy: yeah it is set to 4
[19:43] <Vivekananda> terminal is 8 ? you say ?  I am using terminator. Is there a way to change the tab width in terminator ?
[19:43] <ssmy> Vivekananda: you probably want the command `tabs -4`
[19:43] <elementary-site5> Hello! Does anybody know the solution to the Problem I am having? After I choose something in the GRUB menu (With disabled quiet and splash, and added Nomodeset), the loading gets stuck at a FB conflict between inteldrmfb and EFI VGA
[19:44] <ssmy> or in the preferences there is probably a way. otherwise toss that in your .bashrc
[19:45] <Vivekananda> ssmy: where do I use this command in terminator ? is there a menu inside ?
[19:45] <ssmy> Vivekananda: it's just a terminal command. run it to change the tab width. I can't test at the moment, but I'm sure terminator has a gui setting for tab width in the preferences somewhere
[19:46] <yalchin-38> Привет всем !!!
[19:48] <yalchin-38> Привет !!
[19:48] <PatrickDickey> !ru | yalchin-38
[19:49] <elementary-site5> Right, let's change the client to something graphically better ...
[19:49] <PatrickDickey> russian | yalchin-38
[19:49] <PatrickDickey> !russian | yalchin-38
[19:49] <chillpill_>  Translation failed
[19:49] <yalchin-38> Привет
[19:49] <PatrickDickey> LOL Yeah, I forgot the !
[19:51] <EleanorEllis> Recently, my machine has been getting very unresponsive. I have a 2 year old laptop with a 64 bit core i3 processor and I am running Ubuntu 14.04. At the moment, I am mostly using google chrome with a lot of tabs open as I am developing a website and need to flip between lots of things at once. I also have quodlibet running to listen to music. Right now, google chrome seems to have frozen altogether and I don't know why. Usually I get a
[19:51] <Xasin> There we go, much better. So, does anybody know a solution to getting a FB conflict after the GRUB Menu?
[19:52] <OerHeks> Xasin, facebook conflict?
[19:52] <PatrickDickey> Xasin which card do you have?
[19:52]  * PatrickDickey thinks he means Fallback conflict
[19:52] <OerHeks> oh
[19:53] <PatrickDickey> OerHeks But I was thinking the same thing at first too. ;)
[19:53] <Xasin> I don't think it's that. The exact error was: fb: conflicting fb usage inteldrmfb vs EFI VGA
[19:54] <Xasin> And yes, I have already tried to add Nomodeset, and I have disabled safe Boot.
[19:55] <PatrickDickey> Xasin are you using  proprietary drivers, or open source ones?
[19:56] <Xasin> I am using the ones which came installed on my laptop. That would be Driver Version <IP_ADDRESS>47 of the original Driver.
[19:58] <ozbrk> hi guy I need help online accounts are not working on facebook and twitter and some of the other selections and I don't know why. In facebook selection there is just a white screen that's all and twitter account check closes itself
[19:59] <EleanorEllis> Recently, my machine has been getting very unresponsive. I have a 2 year old laptop with a 64 bit core i3 processor and I am running Ubuntu 14.04. At the moment, I am mostly using google chrome with a lot of tabs open as I am developing a website and need to flip between lots of things at once. I also have quodlibet running to listen to music. Right now, google chrome seems to have frozen altogether and I don't know why. Usually I get a
[20:01] <banginpadr> hi
[20:02] <dfrey> Since upgrading to 14.04, I get a message each time I boot saying that my input devices and graphics couldn't be configured (or something similar) and then it asks me if I want to run in reduced graphics mode (or something like that).  Any idea what is going wrong?  I have a nvidia gtx560
[20:03] <CrypticByte> when mir comes out will we be forced to use it or will there be a way to use unity as it is?
[20:03] <PatrickDickey> CrypticByte is there a reason why you wouldn't want to use mir?
[20:04] <CrypticByte> I dont use a touch screen computer for one
[20:04] <CrypticByte> too windows 8ish
[20:04] <PatrickDickey> dfrey you could try installing the proprietary drivers (search for hardware in Unity).
[20:05] <ozbrk> CrypticByte: Accutaly we thought the same thing when we say farewell to Gnome 2 but today we have mate and gnome fallback seission. There is no reason to think something like that :)
[20:05] <dfrey> PatrickDickey: I believe I am running gnome3, not unity
[20:06] <dfrey> I also believe I am running the nvidia driver.  I see it when I do lsmod
[20:06] <PatrickDickey> dfrey If you go into Software Sources (or Software Updater and click on Settings), the last tab should show you the proprietary drivers that are available.
[20:06] <jo-erlend> CrypticByte, Unity 7 probably won't be ported to Mir at all, so you certainly won't be forced to use it. :)
[20:07] <jo-erlend> but of course, whether you use Mir, X11 or Wayland, you won't notice it as a user.
[20:07] <EleanorEllis> Regarding my computer hanging. Here is my top output sorted by % memory usage http://paste.ubuntu.com/7645520/ and here it is sorted by %CPU usage http://paste.ubuntu.com/7645525/
[20:07] <PatrickDickey> They'll have a fallback for cards that can't handle mir anyhow, I'd imagine. So you should be able to use that.
[20:07] <ozbrk> I need help with the online accounts guys anny ideas about that some parts of the app doesn't work (e.g. firefox option gives me just a white screen and twitter section closes itself)
[20:08] <ozbrk> facebook*
[20:11] <dfrey> It appears that I am already running the nvidia driver from the nvidia-331 package.
[20:13] <GarryFre> I just installed the latest ubuntu and mis-spelled my user name and I can't find in google how to fix it without reinstalling all over again! Help?
[20:13] <dfrey> I swear every time I upgrade ubuntu my sound, video or flash plugin break.  This time it was all three.
[20:13] <itsnotlupus> Hi, just upgraded to 14.04 from 13.10. enabled fglrx drivers, now Xorg crashes hard whenever I try to start Chrome. Does that ring a bell for anyone?
[20:15] <GarryFre> Ok I'm going to reinstall. I've had enough of trying solutions that are lies and guesses that do not work.
[20:15] <itsnotlupus> GarryFre, you should be able to create a new user on your box
[20:15] <itsnotlupus> and just use that new user
[20:15] <Oxh> GarryFre: create a new user or edit /etc/passwd file
[20:15] <Beldar> GarryFre, For web info use the ubuntu wiki's only basically
[20:15] <GarryFre> Oh I know how to do thay. Tnx
[20:21] <Beldar> waits for the permission problems to be addressed
[20:21] <DrGrov> Hello again
[20:22] <DrGrov> Having issue with nVidia GT 620 on 14.04 Xubuntu. It is not detecting the display properly and it looks horrible.  I believe it is a broken EDID. Anyone know any fix for this?
[20:24] <asdofindia> Having a weird problem. I was using the internet without any problem. And suddenly it stops working. ping <IP_ADDRESS> returns packets, but ping google.com says unknown host
[20:25] <asdofindia> I'm connected to IRC via IP address of freenode now :D
[20:29] <Beldar> asdofindia, Have you just tried a logout or reboot?
[20:29] <DrGrov> Anyone know what I am talking about with broken EDID from the display and not displaying properly? Fonts are a bit "wrong" and it suddenly tears the screen a bit.
[20:29] <asdofindia> Beldar, yes. I went to windows. it is working there. (of course it is). came back.
[20:30] <asdofindia> my /etc/resolv.conf is empty with only a comment #generated by network manager. But somewhere in askubuntu it says that's how it is in ubuntu 14.04
[20:30] <Beldar> asdofindia, Cool, we never really know if it is a user bound to find errors no matte the issue, rather than a easy fix is all.
[20:30] <Beldar> no answer here though
[20:31] <ssmy> DrGrov: I have some experience with broken EDID on nvidia, I have to do the one for my korean 1440p. I was able to find a working one on the net though.
[20:32] <DrGrov> ssmy, How did you actually get it to stick so to speak? I am having serious issues to get 1080p even though the panel itself supports 1080p. Had the same issue on my LG 42" but can not remember anymore how I did it. ActionParsnip helped on that occasion but he is away now unfortunately.
[20:33] <Transcix> join #Dalnet
[20:34] <ssmy> DrGrov: I used CustomEDID in my xorg.conf
[20:35] <asdofindia> how do i manually set the dns in ubuntu 14.04
[20:39] <DrGrov> ssmy, And how did you exactly get that done?
[20:40] <DrGrov> Another question, how can I get my old /home on a 1TB drive to become my new /home? I have the OS on a 120GB SSD and I don't know how to get my new user the old /home data on the 1TB drive so I have the new user on the 1TB drive, not on the SSD.
[20:40] <jakestaats> hello?
[20:40] <ssmy> DrGrov: here's a good description of how I did it: http://askubuntu.com/questions/236092/how-to-force-a-higher-screen-resolution-from-ubuntu-12-04-and-an-nvidia-gtx460
[20:40] <__llort__> asdofindia, i think you need to use program called resolvconf
[20:41] <__llort__> asdofindia, i have no idea how to do it though let me know if you figure anything out
[20:41] <asdofindia> yes, please. i'm looking at the man resolvconf. can't google because there's no dns :P
[20:41] <jakestaats> i need help to fix ububtu because it got stuck on the log in screen after i installed the latest nvidia drivers
[20:42] <asdofindia> jakestaats, is it a black screen?
[20:42] <vivivi_> hola buenas noches
[20:42] <DrGrov> ssmy, Unfortunately I do not understand any of that at the moment
[20:42] <ssmy> DrGrov: save anything you want out of your homedir (easy to just `mv /home/user{,-bak}` for backup) then copy over your old one, then run `sudo chown -R user.user /home/user` with the username replaced
[20:42] <jakestaats> no i log in and its stuck on the welcome screen
[20:42] <ssmy> DrGrov: well, the big thing is to get a working EDID file. I found one online, I don't know how to make one.
[20:43] <DrGrov> ssmy, Ok, I did not get that EDID file since it was not available anymore
[20:43] <ssmy> DrGrov: ah, I am not sure then. if it's actually a bad EDID you might be stuck.
[20:44] <ssmy> DrGrov: if it helps, I believe the open-source nouveau driver deals with bad EDIDs better than the nvidia one, albeit at lower performance. that may be worth testing
[20:45] <DrGrov> ssmy, It did not work as intended on 1080p either, the nouveau driver that is.
[20:45] <asdofindia> jakestaats, I don't know what is actually wrong. but you could try installing an alternate desktop platform by going into ctrl+alt+f1 console
[20:46] <jakestaats> asdofindia how do i uninstall ubuntu from terminal so i can install windows?
[20:47] <gdoteof> i am on 14.04 and have a 40" seiki 4k as my only m onitor.  i was trying to downgrade the resolution to 1920x1080 through the display manager and everything went to hell
[20:47] <asdofindia> ah! misunderstanding. I meant you could switch from unity to cinnamon or something like that.
[20:47] <gdoteof> at first i aws logging in at like 640x480 but through some flailing am not able to boot into a somewhat useable session
[20:48] <asdofindia> jakestaats, like `sudo apt-get install gnome`
[20:48] <gdoteof> its abck at 4k.. by running unity-control-center
[20:48] <asdofindia> but again, i'm not sure it'll help
[20:48] <gdoteof> but i still don't have any menu, none of my keyboard shortcuts work
[20:48] <gdoteof> i can rightclick on the desktop to create a folder
[20:48] <gdoteof> opent he folder to get to nautilus, and then use nautilus to make a dekstop shortcut for a terminal
[20:49] <gdoteof> i tried reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and unity
[20:49] <wabi> unfortunatly..i am banned on the #erlang channel here.. anyone around besides of that channel..that is capable of programming some erlang ?
[20:49] <DrGrov> ssmy, Mind if I PM you about this matter? I think I know what to do but not 100% sure on how to achieve it.
[20:49] <PatrickDickey> gdoteof Was it ever working properly?
[20:49] <Weishen> why does ubuntu look like OS X? the settings and menus look alike.
[20:49] <gdoteof> PatrickDickey: yeah it was totally fine until i changed the resolution through the unity-control-center the first time
[20:50] <gdoteof> i just changed from the default 3840x2160 to 1920x1080 then eveyrthing broke
[20:50] <PatrickDickey> Weishen probably because OSX copied the look.
[20:50] <jakestaats> asdofindia it says unable to fetch some archives
[20:51] <asdofindia> jakestaats, ah, i'm so stupid. before you enter password to login, there's a small wrench icon, do you see? click on that and choose some other desktop environment than unity default
[20:51] <Weishen> PatrickDickey: ha funny, no but really ubuntu has gnome, kde and xfce, the latest ubuntu has os x look and feel, except the opened apps bar is on the left.
[20:52] <PatrickDickey> gdoteof you might try this rm ~/.config/monitors.xml from a command line, or go into monitors.xml and change the resolution back to what it was before. I'll admit I'm only guessing here though.
[20:52] <gdoteof> PatrickDickey: the resolution is back now
[20:53] <gdoteof> i was able to get it back to the original resolution, but the menu bar, ctrl-alt-t all window chrome (bars for oving, buttons for minimizing/closing) are all gone
[20:53] <jakestaats> asdofindia i dont see that on the log in screen
[20:53] <PatrickDickey> Well Weishen everyone copies each other. And I did read somewhere that Apple is copying the look of Unity (in their latest OS version).
[20:54] <asdofindia> before you login? which version of ubuntu? it must be on the top right of the small square where you enter the password
[20:54] <PatrickDickey> gdoteof Does CTRL+Alt+F2 work? You might be able to reboot, and see if that fixes everything.
[20:54] <gdoteof> PatrickDickey: yes it does; i ahve rebooted abotu a dozen times before i came in here
[20:55] <gdoteof> ctrl-alt-f2 and running startx was the only way i could get to where i am now
[20:55] <gdoteof> and like i said, i reinstalled ubuntu-desktop and unity
[20:56] <gdoteof> i followed these instructions which i have seen all over: http://www.itworld.com/software/416001/reset-unity-desktop-ubuntu-1404
[20:58] <diego_> hola algun usuario de crunshbang ?
[20:58] <Weishen> I'm sure apple doesn't even take a look at ubuntu linux, being a non-profit free os available for anyone. They do their own thing
[20:58] <fingermybutthole> non-profit?
[20:59] <Weishen> yeah, wait except they started to sell ubuntu os phones now i guess they're making some money now.
[20:59] <jakestaats> i need to know how to uninstall ubuntu from terminal!!!
[21:00] <gdoteof> it's odd because everything at the login-screen works fine
[21:00] <gdoteof> but, just no "unity" environment it seems
[21:01] <gdoteof> i can alt-click windows to drag them
[21:01] <subman> My Dash no longer displays applications in its searches.  Just references and news and others.  If I choose to search in applications, nothing is ever found....like searching for 'system monitor' brings up no applications at all.  ideas?
[21:02] <PatrickDickey> jakestats I'm assuming you want to uninstall the ubuntu-desktop, right?
[21:02] <PatrickDickey> gdoteof what graphics card are you using?
[21:02] <gdoteof> r290x
[21:03] <jakestaats> yes patrick but i cant get past the log in screen
[21:03] <Weishen> anyone know why ubuntu unity have mac os x elements on the gui? close, minimize and maximize buttons being on the top left, centralized settings one window, etc.
[21:04] <Beldar> Weishen, only mac os in your mind.
[21:05] <PatrickDickey> jakestats Press CTRL+ALT+F2 keys together, and that should bring up a command line login prompt. Log in there, and type sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop. You'll have to install some desktop though.
[21:05] <Beldar> ask the unity desktop developers
[21:05] <ix_> Weishen, it's because the benevolent dictator admires os x
[21:05] <Beldar> they use in in the closet
[21:06] <jakestaats> patrick that will removw ubuntu from my hdd right?
[21:07] <Weishen> k
[21:07] <gdoteof> if i run unity --reset-icons &disown  the menu pops up for just a brief moment
[21:07] <gdoteof> and i get this error (among a bunch of loading plugins)
[21:07] <gdoteof> compiz (core) - Info: Starting plugin: opengl
[21:07] <gdoteof> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/swrast_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32)
[21:09] <Beldar> Weishen, You seem uninformed, there are possible orders for touch phones in the future, no profit is made in theses departments, if their paid support is a different corp they may be making a small amount.
[21:09] <Beldar> do the research please
[21:09] <jo-erlend> PatrickDickey, uninstalling ubuntu-desktop won't remove any software. It's just a meta-package that is used to _install_ software.
[21:10] <PatrickDickey> jakestats exactly what are you trying to do? If you want to get rid of the entire operating system, that's one thing. If you're trying to switch to a different desktop, that's another.
[21:10] <jakestaats> patrick im trying to switch to windows
[21:10] <jo-erlend> jakestaats, no, removing the ubuntu-desktop package won't remove any software from your computer at all.
[21:11] <jo-erlend> jakestaats, you don't have to do anything in Ubuntu in order to do that. Just format the disk using Windows installer.
[21:11] <PatrickDickey> jakestaats then you need to put your Windows disc in, and run the installation. Reformat the entire drive, and install it.
[21:12] <Beldar> jakestaats, What windows release, and where did you get the install media?
[21:13] <DrGrov> Haha!
[21:13] <jakestaats> beldar i got windows 8.1
[21:13] <DrGrov> I got the resolution fixed with this help!
[21:13] <Beldar> jakestaats, Cool from where?
[21:13] <jakestaats> a store
[21:14] <Beldar> jakestaats, Good, you will need the activation key to install, just boot it as suggested use the key and hit install
[21:15] <DrGrov> But now I have lost my audio since it is travelling through the HDMI port LOL
[21:15] <jakestaats> beldar how do i mke a partition for windows
[21:15] <Beldar> jakestaats, If this is a uefi computer go to the bios and choose th sata cd boot
[21:15] <DrGrov> Is it possible to get a 100Hz TV to actually use a higher refresh rate than 60Hz?
[21:15] <Beldar> jakestaats, You want just windows right?
[21:15] <jakestaats> yes
[21:15] <asdofindia> i was following http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/kernfs.html and forgot to set the LFS variable. so, `mkdir -pv $LFS/$(readlink $LFS/dev/shm)` was run as `mkdir -pv /$(readlink /dev/shm)`
[21:16] <asdofindia> how can i revert this?
[21:16] <asdofindia> Or, does it need to be reverted?
[21:16] <ziofrenk> ciao
[21:16] <ziofrenk> !list
[21:16] <Beldar> jakestaats, If you want more than one partition there is a manual install, if not the auto install does all that for you.
[21:17] <DrGrov> Or do I need to limit myself to 60Hz even though the LED TV can handle 100Hz?
[21:17] <Beldar> jakestaats, REally this is a ##windows channel issue I'm on there and can help you there, ubuntu is not in the way of this.
[21:18] <DrGrov> This is the guide I used, I will save this and hope that anyone else who has issues uses this since it truly does help.
[21:18] <ix_> DrGrov, you probably could get it to 100hz, but playing with that can be dangerous
[21:18] <DrGrov> I used nvidia-settings and acquired the EDID, used his tool and thus making a custom EDID and then got the xorg.conf from nvidia-settings setup to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:19] <DrGrov> ix_, Ah but now I can remove the metamode and let it automatically work its magic to set it up as it wants automatically
[21:19] <subman> My Dash no longer displays applications in its searches.  Just references and news and others.  If I choose to search in applications, nothing is ever found....like searching for 'system monitor' brings up no applications at all.  ideas?
[21:20] <Beldar> subman, What have you modified on the desktop, E.g. themes, compiz....etc?
[21:20] <subman> Beldar: nope, stock
[21:20] <Guest62065> ciao
[21:20] <Guest62065> !list
[21:20] <Beldar> subman, Might need a reset look up the one for that release to reset unity and compiz.
[21:21] <ix_> DrGrov, I don't really know, but I see that xrandr can do it with xrandr -s 1280x1024 -r 100, just insert the correct resolution
[21:21] <subman> Beldar: I don't understand 'look up the one for that release'.  Look up what?
[21:21] <Beldar> subman, There are buttons in the dash for specific groups I believe do any show there.
[21:22] <Beldar> subman, for example 14,04 unity compiz reset at google
[21:22] <subman> Beldar: yup.  Applications is selected, amongst others.  I can even choose applications icon from the bottom and do a search there but nothing shows up
[21:22] <Beldar> subman, what ubuntu release
[21:22] <ssmy> Beldar, got it working. combination of disabling non-UUID root in grub and apparently Crucial M4 mSATA ssds occasionally just don't work correctly on bootup. I'll have to get a better one.
[21:22] <histo> Beldar: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[21:23] <Beldar> histo, I know just trying to conform releas if not posted already
[21:23] <subman> Beldar: 14.04
[21:24] <Beldar> subman, see histo post above
[21:25] <asdofindia> hi, can anyone tell me if "devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)" is in there `mount` output? (debugging purpose)
[21:25] <asdofindia> or, if it is not there.
[21:26] <ssmy> asdofindia, yes exactly as shown
[21:27] <asdofindia> beautiful. and tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755) ?
[21:27] <Beldar> ssmy, I have a Crucial M4 myself, not sure about what  mSATA means, mine boots perfectly.
[21:28] <histo> asdofindia: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:28] <asdofindia> 14.04
[21:29] <ssmy> Beldar, mSATA is a different form factor. apparently the said versions occasionally boot incorrectly. as far as I can tell, the 2.5" versions are not affected.
[21:29] <histo> asdofindia: why are you concerned with those mounts?
[21:29] <subman> Beldar: nope, still no applications at all show up.  I have to start everything by the command line (if I remember the program name that is!)
[21:30] <asdofindia> histo, thanks for the concern. I ran http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter06/kernfs.html commands without setting LFS variable
[21:30] <Beldar> ssmy, Ah I was just looking at wikipedia I wondered, I love mine 256 gigs runs like lightening.
[21:30] <histo> asdofindia: are you tyring to build a LFS system inside of ubuntu?
[21:30] <rafaellaguna> :'(
[21:30] <Beldar> subman, Did you rebooot to finalize?
[21:30] <asdofindia> histo, well, I'm just following the book.
[21:31] <histo> asdofindia: What's your target though? another partition?
[21:31] <asdofindia> histo, yes. of course
[21:31] <ssmy> Beldar, it's plenty fast, just maybe not as reliable as hoped. mine is also an itty bitty 32g, but it's just a server boot disk. that's what backups are for I guess.
[21:31] <histo> asdofindia: K, just making sure you weren't doing something silly or maybe thought you had an XY problem
[21:32] <Beldar> ssmy, This is a ssd slot?
[21:32] <asdofindia> histo, I did do something silly :P by not setting LFS variable and running the commands in 6.2.2 and 6.2.3 I have now derped my dns
[21:32] <Beldar> in a*
[21:33] <histo> asdofindia: yeah.. It happens, it's probably best to use their iso for environment etc...
[21:33] <histo> asdofindia: also there is #lfs-support
[21:33] <asdofindia> lfs-support is as usual, silent
[21:34] <asdofindia> histo, btw, could you tell me if "tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)" is in mount?
[21:34] <mendes> oi
[21:34] <Beldar> ssmy, Yeah that has to be problematic.
[21:34] <jakestaats> hey beldar im back i found out i partitioned my hard drive all to ubuntu so i need to fix ubuntu first
[21:35] <histo> asdofindia: yes, that's there from when they moved /var/run to /run to reduce the amount of tmpfs mounts
[21:35] <Beldar> jakestaats, To what install windows?
[21:35] <ssmy> Beldar, yes, it's essentially a combination of mini-pcie and SATA. very small form factor.
[21:35] <Beldar> over ubuntu jakestaats
[21:36] <asdofindia> histo and ssmy, thanks! that means my stupidity didn't cause my internet problem.
[21:36] <Beldar> jakestaats, Repair ubuntu to wipe it with a windows install?
[21:36] <Simon--> derp. does dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU return i486 on 32-bit ubuntu or something?
[21:36] <jakestaats> yes so i have to fix ubuntu, my problem is that i installed latest nvidia drivers and the computer reset and i cant get past the log in screen
[21:37] <Beldar> jakestaats, Whomever told you that is wrong, boot the windows media and install plain simple stuff.
[21:37] <histo> jakestaats: what happens after you login?
[21:38] <subman> Beldar: problem fixed after reboot.  Thanks!
[21:38] <jakestaats> its stuck on the oreange ubuntu 14.04 lts screen, like the one in the backround when you log in
[21:38] <asdofindia> jakestaats, hold down your power button for 5 seconds. You can restart
[21:38] <Beldar> jakestaats, As I understand your situation you do not want ubuntu and have a w8 install media is this correct?
[21:39] <jakestaats> yes but ubuntu has my whole hdd partitioned
[21:39] <Beldar> jakestaats, Not an issue I keep telling you and this is the wrong channel!!!!!
[21:40] <jakestaats> ok how do i goto windows one then?
[21:40] <Beldar> jakestaats, /j ##windows  I am there I can help you
[21:41] <Beldar> hopefully anyway
[21:41] <asdofindia> wow! never knew that channel existed
[21:43] <Beldar> asdofindia, not sure that is all you have missed. ;)
[21:59] <spence> is there a way to blacklist a faulty mirror when using mirror.txt?
[22:01] <yandexru> Hello, what is better, linux or linux ?
[22:01] <asdofindia> linux is better
[22:01] <yandexru> :D
[22:01] <yandexru> \
[22:01] <asdofindia> why does cd //run work? (and go to //run)
[22:03] <remuxa> so i'm setting up ubuntu using the minimal installer
[22:04] <remuxa> and every time i select "select and install components" (or something like that)
[22:04] <remuxa> it never gives me the option to choose said components
[22:04] <remuxa> (e.g. lubuntu-desktop, dns server, font pack, etc.)
[22:04] <asdofindia> http://askubuntu.com/questions/23808/what-is-the-double-slash-directory
[22:05] <remuxa> as a matter of fact, i've seen the box come up before
[22:05] <remuxa> but now, using the same settings, i can't get it to show up
[22:06] <remuxa> is this likely a problem with my cd?
[22:07] <remuxa> or am i choosing some option in the expert install that blocks the dialog box from appearing?
[22:07] <remuxa> (because of space constraints, the graphical installer is not an option for me)
[22:07] <stasiomod> http://webchat.freenode.net?nick=felixM&channels=%23ubuntu-offtopic&uio=d4
[22:12] <ssmy> asdofindia, any number of slashes is treated as one slash
[22:13] <blade57> hi all
[22:14] <blade57> im looking to see if any one of you know of a by passer for a company firewall filter
[22:16] <master_> hollo
[22:16] <gamax92> h
[22:16] <blade57> hi
[22:16] <DrGrov> Everything finally working as intended. Thank you everyone that helped and gave pointers!
[22:17] <DrGrov> Now I wonder. How can I get my old 13.10 /home from my 1TB drive assigned to my new user which /home on 14.10 is on the same drive (SSD) as the OS is?
[22:17] <holstein> !14.10 | DrGrov
[22:17] <DrGrov> Oh sorry
[22:17] <mkdmz> I've been spinning my wheel for three days on this question, could someone help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/483396/how-do-i-set-up-a-custom-icons-for-my-pygi-app-documents
[22:17] <DrGrov> I mean 14.04, I blame my tiredness for that holstein
[22:18] <holstein> DrGrov: you want to use 14.04 if you are worried about stability.. nothing in 14.04 is preventing you from using that /home config
[22:18] <DrGrov> holstein, No but I really want to get my current user to that /home as I had on 13.10. I had the same thing going on when I switched from 12.04 to 13.10 and now.
[22:18] <asdofindia> blade57, tor. but it will be slow.
[22:18] <gamax92> Is there legacy fglrx for 14.04?
[22:18] <mkdmz> Can someone tell me where the secret manual is for creating mimetypes for a new type of document, because the so-called official documentation DOES NOT WORK.
[22:19] <mkdmz> Can someone tell me where the secret manual is for creating mimetypes for a new type of document, because the so-called official documentation DOES NOT WORK.
[22:19] <holstein> DrGrov: sure.. use what you like, friend. i have not read the scroll back, but if you are finding you are having issues, try and *not*just pull the entire /home over and expect "magic".. just pull over what you need/want
[22:19] <IMTheNachoMan> hey guys. is it possible to create a cron schedule, or some kind of schedule, to run a python script even when the user is not logged in. or even if nobody is logged in?
[22:20] <holstein> mkdmz: there is no "secret" other that details here for the volunteers to be able to help
[22:20] <gamax92> Can the screensaver replaced?
[22:20] <holstein> !ati | gamax92
[22:20] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: You can create an startup script
[22:20] <holstein> gamax92: you can replace the screensaver, if thats your question
[22:20] <cuddylier> Anyone know why this may happen? http://puu.sh/9tIpT/0d28806b68.jpg
[22:20] <Artpicre> Where can I find some Unity themes ?
[22:20] <mkdmz> holstein: it is indeed a secrect because it is not listed in the documentation.
[22:20] <gamax92> holstein: but thats only fglrx 9, not the legacy one.
[22:21] <holstein> Artpicre: its not really meant for that.. typically, you just change the wallpaper, and it "self-themes"..
[22:21] <holstein> mkdmz: the documentation is open to be contributed to
[22:21] <holstein> !contribute | mkdmz
[22:21] <holstein> mkdmz: other than that, if you think you have found a bug, please help by filing..
[22:21] <holstein> !bug
[22:21] <holstein> gamax92: i would just check the repos
[22:22] <gamax92> which repos?
[22:22] <SethT> how do i allow remote connects to mysql in ubuntu. i have to allow access from my ip to port 3306 ?
[22:23] <Nubuntu> hey guys, new Ubuntu install...just noticed audio is very muddy and low sounding. Details: using Alienware 18 laptop and alsamixer turned up to max and system volume at 100%. Muddy sound like no treble and very low compared to Windows.
[22:23] <holstein> gamax92: the default ones.. i would just apt-cache search.. or, use synaptic, or whatever package manager i want to use to search, or just go right to ati, assuming they still suppor the kernel you are using, which may the be the reason you dont find support for your hardware
[22:23] <Artpicre> holstein> There are pre-installed themes, so I wandered if there was a website where I can download more. Because I've tested that some themes change windox appearance
[22:23] <holstein> !audio | Nubuntu
[22:23] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz, but doesn't user have to be logged in for those?
[22:23] <gamax92> ati doesn't officially support ot.
[22:23] <gamax92> but there are patches for 8.97 to kernel 3.13
[22:23] <mkdmz> holstein: Obviously new mimetypes are creates, because we have the different icons and certain apps launch them.  The problem is not a bug, it's people making changes and not documenting it so other can use the things appropriately.  Would you consider lack of documentation a bug?
[22:23] <Artpicre> And also colors of launchbar, icons and others
[22:24] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: No, they are designed to be run on run levels.
[22:24] <holstein> Artpicre: nothing is preventing themes from being provided, but, i say, if theming is the goal, you'll want something other than unity. its not really in the work flow to customize too much of it
[22:24] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz, i wanted something that will run every hour
[22:24] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: They are like rc scripts
[22:24] <asdofindia> can't there be cron jobs as root?
[22:25] <Artpicre> holstein> Oh.. Okay. So what sould I use for theming ?
[22:25] <Artpicre> should*
[22:25] <holstein> asdofindia: you shouldnt run anything as root, unless neccessary
[22:25] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: So create and init script that calls a python script, where the python script has a timer in it.  Set the init script to relaunch if it fails.
[22:25] <holstein> Artpicre: a desktop environment that supports theming and customization on the level that you seek
[22:26] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: If you look in /etc/init/ you will see some examples.  I would look up startup as well to learn some things.
[22:26] <asdofindia> holstein, ironic. I'm just learning to build LFS and this chapter should be entirely run as root
[22:26] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz, k. ty!
[22:27] <Artpicre> holstein> Do you have some examples ? It doesn't matter for me, which level of customization.
[22:27] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: http://askubuntu.com/questions/814/how-to-run-scripts-on-start-up
[22:28] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/
[22:31] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz:  awesome. ty
[22:33] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: The best way to learn is to make a real basic start up file, then copy it to /etc/init/
[22:33] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: Then use: sudo initctl start yourScriptName
[22:33] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan: if it runs you are good.  You can stop it with: sudo initctl stop scriptName
[22:34] <mkdmz> But you have to tell it to start on that signal inside the script.
[22:34] <mkdmz> Once you get that going, you can add what ever you want in it.
[22:35] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz:  humm. i am reading and wondering if cron might work too?
[22:35] <mkdmz> IMTheNachoMan:  Maybe.  I don't use cron.
[22:36] <arve> Hello all! How do you disconnect a remote sftp connection when logged on to the same server as sftp connection goes to? I do last and I can't see this connection listed
[22:36] <DrGrov> So, how can I move old /home to my new user on that 1TB drive?
[22:38] <IMTheNachoMan> mkdmz:  thanks sir/ma'am. i will read up
[22:38] <IMTheNachoMan> preciate it
[22:40] <arve> exit
[22:41] <Nubuntu> ok no luck with muddy sound in Ubuntu. Anyone ever experience this it sounds very low and no treble. Why would it be such bad quality compared to windows??
[22:42] <Vivekananda> how do I install emacs lips intro on ubuntu 12.04
[22:43] <blade57> im looking to see if any one of you know of a by passer for a company firewall filter
[22:43] <AirForce590> Hey I need help lz
[22:43] <AirForce590> plz
[22:43] <DrGrov> holstein, But the problem is that I want to use that drive since I was using it as a primary drive. It is my only drive except the SSD that has the OS.
[22:44] <AirForce590> I installed ubuntu server 14.04 and it shows the statrup dialog, but no prompt!
[22:44] <AirForce590> Can some1 help me
[22:48] <DrGrov> I mean there has to be a way, yes?
[22:49] <coniform> hi, I need help with ubuntu. started with windows 8.1, was able to install 14.04, but on bootup only goes back into windows; grub is missing
[22:51] <digerati_> with dynamic resolv, how can i determine my DNS being used?
[22:51] <DrGrov> Running Xubuntu 14.04 and having my old /home from 13.10 on a 1TB drive. How can I easily get my old /home from that 1TB drive to my current user since my /home now is on a 120GB SSD.
[22:53] <digerati_> DrGrov, have you read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[22:53] <mkdmz> How can I find the Team Leader who handles mimetype stuff for Ubuntu?
[22:56] <DrGrov> digerati_, Apparently I have a /media/username/oldname already
[22:58] <vombocorn> Hey all
[22:58] <vombocorn> ping
[23:00] <asdofindia> coniform, lookup boot-repair
[23:00] <DrGrov> digerati_, The problem I am having is that I do not understand exactly how to proceed.
[23:00] <DrGrov> digerati_, It feels like I am in the middle somewhere between the steps.
[23:01] <LinuxGuruz> Anyone used LightZone?
[23:01] <LinuxGuruz> Worth trying?
[23:01] <asdofindia> DrGrov, I think what you want is to mount "/home" to your /dev/sdxN for the hard disk
[23:03] <digerati_> DrGrov, i would just prepare the new home partition or drive
[23:03] <digerati_> then copy the data over
[23:03] <asdofindia> but 1TB > 250 GB
[23:03] <digerati_> thats just the size of the drive, not the amount of actual data right?
[23:04] <RevMode> anyone know how to get 2.1 setup properly for Ubuntu?
[23:04] <asdofindia> Parkinson's law: Data expands to fill the space available
[23:05] <RevMode> problem appears to be playing mono but no place i can see to switch to stereo, and i think its playing through subwoofer only instead of splitting 2.1...anyone?
[23:06] <digerati_> RevMode, confirm with a phone or iphone to source the problem
[23:07] <digerati_> if its PC side, are there a number of audio sources on the back of the computer?
[23:07] <digerati_> you may want to try all ports, on mine i have a dedicated sub minijack port
[23:07] <RevMode> digerati, how do you mean source problem?
[23:07] <digerati_> figure out if its a computer side or audio equipment side
[23:07] <digerati_> cuts the troubleshooting in hald
[23:07] <digerati_> half*
[23:07] <RevMode> digerati, its a laptop with built in speakers
[23:08] <digerati_> with a subwoofer?
[23:08] <RevMode> digerati, well supposedly a 2.1 setup, its an alienware 18
[23:08] <digerati_> oh wow
[23:09] <digerati_> i was having similar audio issues, but it turns out i just didnt know anything about my audio card lol
[23:09] <RevMode> mostly i need to know how to configure it in ubuntu though it shows only mono on the sound config
[23:09] <RevMode> and this alsamixer stuff is confusing
[23:09] <digerati_> i would research alsa
[23:09] <digerati_> yeah
[23:10] <digerati_> im sure theres someone here that knows a lot about alsa
[23:10] <digerati_> hahha
[23:11] <dweezil> test
[23:11] <RevMode> actually i think its just the mono setting, how do you change to stereo?
[23:13] <digerati_> RevMode, https://superuser.com/questions/59481/how-to-swap-stereo-channels-in-ubuntu
[23:13] <DrGrov> I shall return tomorrow and fix that home stuff then
[23:14] <DrGrov> Thanks again for the kind help received today and have a good one!
[23:14] <digerati_> Take care :)
[23:14] <alberto_> oi
[23:14] <digerati_> dat alberto
[23:14] <alberto_> alguem fala portugês ?
[23:14] <alberto_> NiC
[23:19] <tay_> Howdy, question.
[23:19] <RevMode> im not sure i need to swap channels, is that what my problem is? i dont know what swapping channels is referring to but i think mono is definitely wrong
[23:19] <tay_> Can I dualboot Ubuntu when my computer boot is in Legacy mode?
[23:19] <coniform> asdofindia: I followed boot-repair and it just completed, it gives me an error http://paste.ubuntu.com/7646188/
[23:19] <psusi> tay_, of course
[23:19] <tay_> Because I've searched through all the options in my PC's limited BIOS, and I couldn't find a Legacy > EFI option.
[23:19] <asdofindia> coniform, of course
[23:19] <tay_> Ok
[23:20] <tay_> Thanks :)
[23:20] <coniform> should I reboot my computer?
[23:20] <coniform> I have not done that yet
[23:21] <asdofindia> coniform, the grub config seems to have been set. So I'd try restarting.
[23:27] <tay_> I've just run the Boot Repair utility, and after rebooting I'm at the grub console.
[23:27] <coniform> asdofindia: thank you so much for your help, it looks like it is working now!
[23:27] <tay_> Should I just exit the grub console to boot into Windows? The guide I'm following says I have to run bcdedit still.
[23:34] <tay_> Ok, when I exit grub it gives me "Reboot and Select proper Boot device"
[23:34] <tay_> So I can't even boot into Windows to run bcdedit.
[23:51] <monkwitdafunk> Hi #ubuntu. Does trusty rely on sata3. No more sata2. i volunteer in recycling services
[23:57] <asdofindia> tay_, you can still boot with grub console
[23:58] <tay_> Ok, so I ran Boot-Repair with slightly different parameters and now it just boots into Windows exclusively.
[23:58] <tay_> I've tried bcdedit /set "{bootmgr}" path \EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi
[23:58] <tay_> But it doesn't seem to change anything, I still boot into Windows every time.


[13:50] <mrgoodcat> ugh. might not be able to make it actually
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> morning btw
[18:04] <cmaloney> Yay power back on
[18:09] <greg-g> cmaloney: welcome back to the 20th century
[18:16] <cmaloney> Thanks
[18:16] <cmaloney> It's good to be back.


[08:09] <soren> How can I tell what the maximum resolution of my graphics card is?
[08:10] <mlankhorst> create a modeline with cvt and add it to your xorg.conf
[08:10] <soren> I'm considering a monitor that goes up to 2560x1600, but if my graphics card can't drive it, I'd like to know in advance.
[08:10] <mlankhorst> but file a bug first, i915 by any chance?
[08:11] <mlankhorst> oh what card?
[08:11]  * mlankhorst just woke up
[08:12] <soren> mlankhorst: Are you talking to me?
[08:12] <tjaalton> soren: it needs at least displayport or dvi-d connection, check that first :)
[08:12] <soren> tjaalton: It's got displayport.
[08:13] <soren> tjaalton: Why? Won't HDMI go up that high?
[08:13] <tjaalton> soren: nope
[08:13] <soren> Wow. Ok.
[08:13] <tjaalton> 1080p is max
[08:13] <soren> Good to know.
[08:13] <tjaalton> what card is it?
[08:13] <soren> It's some Sandybridge thing.
[08:13] <tjaalton> should be fine
[08:14] <tjaalton> at least it drivers 2600x1440 just fine :)
[08:14] <tjaalton> *drives
[08:14] <soren> Ok. Do you think I'd be able to use the laptop's own screen at the same time? (xinerama style setup)
[08:14] <tjaalton> hmm
[08:14] <tjaalton> depends
[08:14] <tjaalton> think you should thoguh
[08:14] <tjaalton> though
[08:14] <soren> Side-by-side.
[08:15] <soren> There's no way to look this up?
[08:15] <tjaalton> some older chip generations had limitations to the texture size, so if it was only capable of 2048x2048 you'd be in trouble, but I think snb can do 8kx8k
[08:15] <ogra_> two displays are usually no prob ... i have to add an xorg.conf that sets a higher virtual res though
[08:16] <ogra_> (and the error from the monitor applet about this urgently needs some proper wording btw)
[08:17] <jcristau> xorg.conf to set virtual size hasn't been necessary since kms
[08:17] <ogra_> jcristau, fglrx ;)
[08:17] <jcristau> oh well
[08:17] <jcristau> i live in a world where fglrx doesn't exist
[08:17] <jcristau> except for the lolz
[08:17] <soren> tjaalton: This is 8086:0126 if that helps at all.
[08:18] <ogra_> works awesome with three monitors but well, the monitor applet just dumping the cmdline output of xorg on me instead of a proper error was a bit ... uhm... surprising
[08:18] <soren> tjaalton: In a Thinkpad X220.
[08:18] <tjaalton> soren: it's the chip generation that matters, it should be fine
[08:18] <ogra_> seriously nothing my mom would have gotten along with
[08:18] <tjaalton> I think 965 was capable of 4kx4k
[08:19] <soren> tjaalton: Great. Thanks!
[08:19] <tjaalton> soren: you're also lucky that it's not a hybrid machine where the DP is hooked to nvidia ;)
[08:20] <tjaalton> (i've got a T420s..)
[08:20] <soren> tjaalton: Luck did not factor into it :) It waas rather intentional.
[08:20] <tjaalton> good thing
[08:21] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: remind me again, should 1.13 allow the nvidia being the output slave?
[08:21] <tjaalton> *be
[08:21] <mlankhorst> if the drivers supported it
[08:22] <mlankhorst> which as it stands depends on nvidia module being gpl
[08:23] <tjaalton> well, nouveau
[08:23] <tjaalton> but yeah
[08:25] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I can spin gears for 1 second before it locks up, usually ;)
[08:27] <tjaalton> :)
[08:27] <tjaalton> but you're testing offload?
[08:41] <mlankhorst> oh derp
[08:42] <mlankhorst> no wonder things EXPLODED
[08:42] <mlankhorst> some reg I used as global but was per ringbuffer
[09:10] <tjaalton> hmm, ivb gpu hang with precise
[09:10] <tjaalton> even with the current updates
[09:10] <tjaalton> but this time I could ssh in
[09:10] <tjaalton> too bad it doesn't allow to save i915_error_state
[09:11] <tjaalton> oh now it did
[16:22] <tjaalton> bryceh: what do you think, should we wait for mesa 8.0.3 to pass the sru first before pushing 8.0.4 down the pipe? there's also one patch I added to git which is now confirmed to fix bug 1031784 (along with the -intel fix)
[16:56] <bryceh> tjaalton, I'm thinking we ought to get 8.0.4 into quantal as soon as feasible (I assume it's now in debian?)  Then once 8.0.3 gets approved start on the 8.0.4 sru
[16:57] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah it's in debian and quantal. I'd really like to get the one additional commit in 12.04.1 though :/
[16:58] <tjaalton> since without it HD2500 IVB's are unusable
[16:58] <mlankhorst> agreed :)
[16:59] <tjaalton> bryceh: so, adding that one (verified) commit on top of the current sru'd package shouldn't risk anything. 8.0.4 doesn't have that many fixes as .3 seems to have anyway, so it can wait post 12.04.1
[16:59] <bryceh> tjaalton, yep that sounds totally fine
[17:00] <mlankhorst> ok lets see if I can get my dmabuf patches sent out then :)
[17:00] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah, thanks
[17:01] <tjaalton> bryceh: also, looks like people are lazy in testing the SRU (who would've thought..)
[17:01] <tjaalton> so it's not moving :/
[17:04] <bryceh> tjaalton, yep no surprise.  Well I've got several machines on precise with piglit ready to run for exactly this eventuality.  So guess it's time to fire them up.
[17:04] <tjaalton> great
[17:07] <bryceh> I think I'll run them overnight and avoid boiling myself out of my office :-)
[17:08] <mlankhorst> bryceh: I can do that without putting any machines on! :D
[17:12] <bryceh> mlankhorst, :-)
[17:13] <bryceh> been contemplating getting a portable AC unit for the office
[17:14] <tjaalton> the office temp gauge shows 28.2C, but it doesn't feel too warm. maybe the darkness compensates
[17:14] <mlankhorst> why? Getting temperature close to body themperature is fun..
[17:15] <bryceh> sweat and electronics don't mix :-)
[17:16] <tjaalton> usually it's the indirect heat radiation from the shades that's making me sweat, when the sun is shining around noon
[17:16] <tjaalton> temperature rarely goes above 30
[17:16] <tjaalton> C
[17:16] <tjaalton> :)
[17:16] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I measured 35 here before in eve
[17:16] <mlankhorst> my room gets hottest :/
[17:16] <tjaalton> uh :)
[17:16] <tjaalton> well it's maybe 17C outside, so
[17:17] <tjaalton> don't mind it now that the vacation is over
[17:17] <mlankhorst> I think I'm getting all the heat form the roof
[17:17] <tjaalton> yeah, insulation works both ways :)
[17:17] <tjaalton> I mean, if you had any it would be cooler
[17:17] <bryceh> yeah I've got two large windows in my office, which is really nice most of the time but they tend to let in more heat than normal.  regular AC can barely keep up.  Then add 7 computer heat loads on top...
[17:17] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: erm insulation is fine here..
[17:18] <mlankhorst> that's why it was still 35°c in evening
[17:18] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: ok you got some sort of winter I guess :)
[17:19] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yeah when we get unlucky
[17:19] <tjaalton> what, don't like to skate on the canals?-)
[17:20]  * mlankhorst likes the heat
[17:20] <bryceh> one of the computers here has 10 hdd's in it.  toasty
[17:20] <tjaalton> it's nice until it's not
[17:20] <tjaalton> bryceh: whoa
[17:20] <tjaalton> 5W a piece
[17:20] <tjaalton> at least
[17:21] <bryceh> actually the two things that put out the most heat is GPU lockups and projector testing
[17:21] <mlankhorst> :>
[17:22] <bryceh> tjaalton, could be; actually I did mostly pick out "green" drives that supposedly are cooler and quieter
[17:23] <bryceh> anyway, hey I wanted to check on where we are with xserver 1.13?  are we blocked waiting on blobs, or for the official release, or...?
[17:23] <mlankhorst> fglrx is probably blocked, rest is in proposed?
[17:24] <mlankhorst> except new xorg-server rc
[17:24] <Sarvatt> arm drivers not in pkg-xorg according to #ubuntu-devel..
[17:24] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: yeah but they're out of date
[17:24] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ugh, more blobbages
[17:25] <bryceh> fglrx I'm actually not super worried about; it always lags a lot, and people can run -ati in the interim
[17:25] <mlankhorst> I would say grab the xf86-video-omap from https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+index?batch=75&memo=75&start=75 as a start
[17:25] <bryceh> Sarvatt, ideas on etas for the arm driver?
[17:26] <Sarvatt> looks like xf86-video-msm hasnt been updated since 2010?
[17:26] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: remember you saying you would test my q-backports? :P
[17:26] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah infinity asked me about it on #u-d, some drivers still missing
[17:27] <bryceh> ok, so blocked by drivers.
[17:28] <tjaalton> bryceh: what would be the deadline for copying them over to quantal?
[17:28] <bryceh> hmm
[17:28] <tjaalton> FF?
[17:28] <tjaalton> which is before beta
[17:29] <tjaalton> beta is sep 6th iirc
[17:29] <bryceh> FF is Aug 23rd
[17:29] <bryceh> beta 1 freeze is Aug 30
[17:29] <bryceh> beta 2 freeze sep 20
[17:30] <mlankhorst> I could poke the omap devs..
[17:30] <bryceh> so...  xserver 1.13~ by FF seems a good goal
[17:31] <Sarvatt> piglit has changed so much since tormod first packaged it, lots of generated files strewn in random places :P
[17:31] <tjaalton> wonder if the arm devs are willing to test & upload them
[17:31] <tjaalton> the arm drivers that is
[17:31] <tjaalton> since they are all over the place aiui
[17:32] <bryceh> in the past we've let fglrx get updated as late as beta 2 freeze, but given that we're going to backport this stack, having all the drivers working by beta 1 would seem a lot less risky for us
[17:32] <tjaalton> also, adding -modesetting and -displaylink to xserver-xorg-video-all will happen, meaning they need to be moved to main
[17:33] <mlankhorst> awesome
[17:33] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah for my tests I use a git checkout (which I'm keeping to a specific revision for all the mesa tests)
[17:33] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah that probably answers your question :)
[17:34] <bryceh> I uploaded an xserver sru from one of the arm guys yesterday; I was thinking if they will be doing X updates we might invite them to get git access and so forth
[17:35] <bryceh> tjaalton, MIR for them for quantal?  or quantal+1?
[17:35] <tjaalton> and put their drivers in git (/me hides)
[17:35] <tjaalton> bryceh: quantal
[17:35] <bryceh> ok
[17:35] <Sarvatt> i think some are in collab-maint
[17:35] <bryceh> tjaalton, do you know if anyone is planning on filing the MIRs?
[17:36] <tjaalton> I'm getting a displaylink monitor some day, will test the hotplug that it works
[17:36] <tjaalton> bryceh: I can do those
[17:36] <bryceh> ok, thanks
[17:36] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: ah, that's nice then
[17:36] <Sarvatt> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/xf86-video-omap.git;a=summary
[17:36] <bryceh> I also have some displaylink gadget I can test with if needed
[17:36] <Sarvatt> its guaranteed none of these will work in 1.13
[17:37] <Sarvatt> oh sweet, robclark updated xf86-video-omap for 1.13 already in the 0.4.0 release
[17:37] <Sarvatt> https://github.com/robclark/xf86-video-omap/commits/master
[17:38] <mlankhorst> bryceh: yeah if they want they can work against precise too :)
[17:38] <mlankhorst> When the changes in xorg settle down I'll upload newer versions more often..
[17:38] <bryceh> mlankhorst, excellent
[17:39] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah, it's useful in lts.. even via the backports
[20:36] <cnd> Sarvatt: I remember you or someone else saying that ppa-purge is currently a bit broken due to multiarch issues
[20:36] <cnd> when I try to use it, it tries to remove a ton of packages
[20:37] <cnd> do you know how to make it work properly?
[20:37] <Sarvatt> cnd: yeah it doesn't remove the multiarch packages, what ppa are you purging?
[20:37] <cnd> unity-team/staging
[20:37] <Sarvatt> do all the packages have something in their name in common by any chance?
[20:37]  * Sarvatt is looking
[20:37] <cnd> I don't know
[20:38] <cnd> I'm on quantal, so there's 11 source packages
[20:38] <Sarvatt> need to find what you have installed :i386 versions of out of there
[20:39] <cnd> Sarvatt: is there an easy way to do that?
[20:39] <Sarvatt> only on edgers where the packages all have names in it :(
[20:40] <Sarvatt> dpkg -l | grep autopilot or bamf maybe??
[20:41] <Sarvatt> dont know why you'd have multiarch versions of any of those installed..
[20:41] <cnd> Sarvatt: doesn't look like I have any
[20:46] <Sarvatt> i'll try it out on another machine and see if i can work it out
[20:48] <cnd> Sarvatt: thanks :)
[20:57] <Sarvatt> cnd: worked fine http://paste.ubuntu.com/1134942/
[20:57] <Sarvatt> i'd look to see if you have another ppa with unity in it thats broken
[20:57] <Sarvatt> it just does sudo apt-get install package1/precise after removing the source and updating, if theres a newer one than in the distro in another ppa it'll try that
[20:57] <cnd> Sarvatt: I have google chrome
[20:57] <cnd> but that's it
[20:58] <cnd> Sarvatt: ooooh… I'm on quantal
[20:58] <Sarvatt> oh, my bad :(
[21:17] <cnd> Sarvatt: I got it working by manually downgrading unity
[21:18] <cnd> and all its deps


[10:35] <darkxst> ricotz, so I think (well hope) almost there getting gjs working wil js188
[11:57] <ricotz> darkxst, great, so i guess it compiles with failing tests?
[12:01] <darkxst> well sort of, but I know what is causing most of the issues, just waiting on Jasper to get feedback from upstream on that, since the typedefs are a bit retarded.
[12:02] <darkxst> like this 'typedef struct { jsid *_; } JSHandleId;'
[12:04] <darkxst> such that my patches are a bit hacky to make that work


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 @AdamOutler is that service like teleirc.service ?
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 @ahoneybun, Nice... except Joey did not point out that the codebase has not been touched in months
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