[01:38] <kmrs75> http://s684.photobucket.com/albums/vv203/techsx2/mis%20designs/LINUX/    this was all cut in linux
[14:08] <kmrs75> morning all
[17:37] <thorwil> http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=87
[17:49] <coz_> hey guys ...who would be responsible for sounds on ubuntu?
[17:49] <coz_> login start up etc


[02:37] <jose> jcastro: hey, you know who is in charge of releasing 14.04 when the day comes?
[02:38] <jcastro> probaly slangasek
[02:38] <jcastro> or maybe infinity
[02:39] <jose> hmm, ok
[02:39] <jose> I was thinking on having an ubuntuonair session like in the old times, but can't do anything until I have my university schedule
[02:39] <jose> they're giving it to me next friday
[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] <jose> hey dholbach!
[07:42] <dholbach> hi jose
[07:42] <jose> dholbach: have a min?
[07:44] <dholbach> sure
[07:45] <jose> we have opened the schedule for Ubuntu Open Week and was wondering if you'd like to do or know someone who can do our usual development team session :)
[07:46] <dholbach> when is it going to be?
[07:47] <dholbach> I think I should be able to do something there :)
[07:48] <jose> 22nd-24th April from 15 to 20 UTC each day
[07:48] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek shows our so far empty schedule :)
[07:53] <dholbach> jose, can I have 24th - 15 UTC? I'll think of develop-y
[07:53] <dholbach> :)
[07:53] <jose> seems good, thanks a bunch! :)
[07:54] <dholbach> awesome
[08:20] <jose> morning, dpm!
[08:20] <dpm> hola jose
[08:20] <jose> dpm: cómo van las cosas por el otro lado del mundo?
[08:21] <dpm> jose, bien, bien :) y en tu lado tambien?
[08:21] <jose> dpm: sep, por suerte sí
[08:21] <jose> me preguntaba si tenías un minuto
[08:24] <dpm> jose, si, claro
[08:25] <jose> del 22 al 24 de abril tendremos la Open Week, y quería saber si quieres participar o sabes de alguien que quiera apoyar con una sesión de app dev, los slots son de 15 a 19 utc
[08:25] <jose> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek tiene el horario
[08:26] <dpm> jose, claro. Me pillo un slot para "Introduction to App Development"
[08:27] <dpm> es IRC o on-air?
[08:27] <jose> como prefieras
[08:29] <dpm> on-air entonces para mi sesión
[08:29] <jose> genial, qué día y a qué hora?
[08:30] <dpm> jose, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/trusty/Timetable :)
[08:30] <jose> yay, gracias!
[08:30] <dpm> jose, you can also probably ask popey for an OpenWeek session on how to get started contributing to core apps
[08:31] <jose> that'd be awesome, the more sessions we have the better it is
[08:31] <jose> you'll do it, right popey?
[10:19] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:29] <dpm> hey czajkowski, how's it going?
[12:30] <dpm> ah, the 'aloha' was from a couple of hours ago, but in any case, hi! :)
[12:39] <czajkowski> dpm: it's going well
[12:39] <czajkowski> :)
[12:39] <czajkowski> heading to barcelona next month and italy so keeping busy
[12:40] <dpm> nice, I'm heading to Barcelona again soon, but just as a brief stop to visit my family
[12:44] <dpm> ok, lunch time
[14:56] <jcastro> popey,  I installed the unity8 preview desktop and now I have 2 network indicators, is that normal?
[14:56] <popey> yes
[14:57] <popey> unfortunately
[14:57] <jcastro> ok so I just deal with it then?
[14:57] <popey> yes
[14:58] <popey> you may be able to apt-get remove indicator-network
[14:58] <popey> YOU GET TO KEEP THE PIECES!
[14:59] <jcastro> I'll just keep it
[14:59] <jcastro> next thing you know you'll tell me to install ccsm
[16:59] <jose> popey: done
[16:59] <popey> ta ☻
[18:00] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone - see you tomorrow!
[18:02] <elfy> cya dholbach
[18:02] <dholbach> bye elfy


[04:37] <Ahmuck> Xsession: unable to launch "/usr/bin/startldxe" X session --- "/usr/bin/startldxe" not found; falling back to default session. [okay] - Lubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha1
[04:37] <Ahmuck> new install
[04:37] <micahg> Ahmuck: check #ubuntu+1
[04:38] <hggdh> micahg: what is the PPA for the mozillateam?
[04:38] <micahg> hggdh: the daily one?
[04:38] <hggdh> yes
[04:38] <micahg> hggdh: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[04:38] <hggdh> I need an example of a complex get-orig-source
[04:38] <micahg> hggdh: you want the bzr branch then
[04:39] <hggdh> k
[04:39] <hggdh> thank you
[04:40]  * micahg thinks it's in devscripts
[04:40] <micahg> mozilla-devscripts
[04:40] <hggdh> so, should be part od ./debian/rules
[04:40] <hggdh> s/so/no/
[04:42] <micahg> hggdh: nope
[04:43]  * micahg is looking
[04:43] <micahg> hggdh: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts/annotate/head%3A/README
[04:47] <hggdh> ah, it is included in debian/rules
[04:47] <hggdh> I mean via include <yaddayadda>
[04:51] <hggdh> installed. Now, to decipher it ;-)
[08:26] <om26er> what status can be given to this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/505510
[08:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505510 in hundredpapercuts "Make random file selection easier in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:38] <thekorn> om26er, hi, I don't get what this bugreport is about, multiselection with ctrl works for me in nautilus
[08:39] <thekorn> om26er, anyway, this bug has no ubuntu task, so we should not really care about the status of upstream tasks
[09:04] <LimCore> I found yet another bug in kmail
[09:04] <LimCore> anyone uses kmail and wants to help me?
[09:06] <LimCore> kmail says invalid passphrase, wthout ever asking for the passphrase. It happens sometimes, not always
[09:16] <persia> LimCore: Is this after doing something to fix kmail-crashes-when-passphrase-is-cancelled, or something else?
[09:31] <LimCore> persia: no, its on another box
[09:31] <LimCore> clean install there
[09:31] <LimCore> and this bug happens only on that box
[09:32] <persia> Bugs that only happen on one box are extra annoying :)  I'd recommend starting by checking the package installation set: perhaps there's something affecting pinentry that's missing.
[09:32] <LimCore> hmm wait wait
[09:32] <LimCore> ah
[09:33] <LimCore> no, this happens on 2 boxes
[09:34] <LimCore> one is clean ubuntu administrated by me, other is clean box administrated by someone else
[09:34] <LimCore> and it seems this bug is known:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/297976
[09:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 297976 in kdepim "kmail: cannot sign emails after upgradind to intrepid ibex" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:02] <LimCore> persia: it appears to be well confirmed bug known from 2008... :<
[10:02] <persia> LimCore: Is it well documented, or just well complained?
[10:03] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/297976
[10:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 297976 in kdepim "kmail: cannot sign emails after upgradind to intrepid ibex" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:04] <LimCore> persia: we will try now both workarounds there and inform does they work or not etc
[10:05] <persia> I'm not sure that more confirmation of the workarounds helps.
[10:05] <persia> I think the right answer is to find some way to make sure any necessary initialisation is occuring appropriately.
[10:06] <LimCore> persia: I can contribute some amount of testing; Could seomeone point me thought to explanatinon how exacly openpgp works, like, which application is execute to sign (or kamil internally?) how to debug that, who is storing passphrase, how to debu that, and so on
[10:08] <persia> I'd recommend starting with the pinentry-qt documentation to try to get that info.
[10:08] <LimCore> huhuhuh
[10:08] <LimCore> another coworker have this problem
[10:08]  * LimCore is so embarassed
[10:18] <LimCore> ssh -X appears to be causing this,  then you have to execute the php agent by hand. Perhaps kmail autostarting pgp agent if it is not running would be helpfull
[10:22] <Kermiac> morning/evening everyone :) Does anyone think bug 506260 is due to hal deprecation in lucid?
[10:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506260 in hal "hald-probe-input assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/hal/hald-probe-input: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x080492f9 ***" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506260
[10:29] <Kermiac> anyone?
[10:31] <seb128> Kermiac, can't be say from a quick look, the bug has been retraced and somebody needs to look at the code
[10:31] <seb128> it's a real bug though
[10:31] <Kermiac> ok, ty seb128 :)
[13:13] <arykalin1985> hy, have anybody problems with svn after recent update?
[13:14] <LimCore> arykalin1985: in 9.10?
[13:14] <LimCore> svn works for me after today update... how old is that update/
[13:14] <arykalin1985> yes
[13:15] <arykalin1985> today
[13:16] <arykalin1985> it's inhibits sometimes at svn up, but svn ls and svn st works fine
[13:23] <LimCore> well... I don't know aobut svn
[13:23] <LimCore> but while updating apt-get...
[13:23] <LimCore> apt crashed.. lol
[13:30] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/506415
[13:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 506415 in apport "apport crashed in *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: free(): invalid next size (normal): 0x000000000197ecb0" [Undecided,New]
[14:07] <hggdh> this is not apt crashing, but apport
[14:09] <hggdh> ah, you named it wrong
[14:09] <hggdh> LimCore: without a backtrace there is not much that can be done
[14:10] <hggdh> (and this is where apport would help)
[14:26] <LimCore> hggdh: but it seems there was a backtrace and even memmap
[15:14] <bddebian> Boo
[15:16] <vish> boo hoo
[15:16] <vish> :)
[15:22] <LimCore> bddebian: did I startled you successfully?
[15:24] <komputes> npviewer.bin segfaults when firefox/flash content is present, this seems to be reported in two major bugs: who can confirm a proposed merge?
[15:24] <komputes> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/141613
[15:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 141613 in nspluginwrapper "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Confirmed]
[15:24] <komputes> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/178038
[15:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 178038 in nspluginwrapper "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV " [Medium,Confirmed]
[15:27] <bddebian> LimCore: Yep :)
[16:04] <yofel> anyone an idea what package this should be? bug 403997
[16:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403997 in ubuntu "Icons on desktop are being drawn with flickering and alpha-channel ignorance when moved around" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403997
[16:07] <micahg> yofel: probably the graphics driver
[16:08] <micahg> yofm
[16:08] <micahg> yofel: nm
[16:08] <yofel> ?
[16:09] <micahg> yofel: idk, read the comments...
[16:09] <micahg> *I read
[16:09] <yofel> yeah, now I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do next
[16:10] <dpm> micahg, is the bugsquad meeting not happening today (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting), or did I just get confused with the times
[16:10] <micahg> dpm: heh
[16:10]  * micahg forgot about it
[16:10] <micahg> bdmurray: ??
[16:10] <micahg> or rather bdmurray ^^
[16:10] <dpm> (I might not be able to participate much, unfortunately, I'm on a call)
[16:11]  * yofel forgot the meeting too ^^
[16:11] <qense> I set a warning in Evolution, but I just booted. ;)
[16:11]  * bdmurray did too
[16:11] <bdmurray> Shall we have one or postpone 'til the 19th?
[16:12] <yofel> hi hggdh ^^
[16:12] <qense> I think there was someone from Translations who said he'd join the meeting to discuss some things regarding translation bug reports.
[16:12] <hggdh> sorry,  just logged in. Postpone what?
[16:12] <yofel> hggdh: meeting
[16:12] <hggdh> oh
[16:12] <dpm> hi qense, the translations guy was me :-)
[16:13] <hggdh> adiroiban, I think
[16:13] <dpm> but I'm happy if you guys postpone it as well, since I'm on a call right now
[16:13] <qense> ah!
[16:13] <happyaron> dpm: hi, I am here
[16:13] <hggdh> K. I have nothing against
[16:14]  * happyaron rushing in just now
[16:14] <qense> Well, if no one is ready then it would probably be better to postpone the meeting.
[16:14] <hggdh> do we have quorum?
[16:14] <micahg> +1
[16:15]  * hggdh will just wait and see -- was late, anyways, battling a nervous GDM
[16:15] <jibel> yofel: you should ask to attach  /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of lspci -nn
[16:15] <yofel> jibel: ok, will do, thx
[16:17] <hggdh> FWIW -- I am OK with either. 19th might be a bit complex, since we will have done an upgrade on the weekend on a prod system, but such is life
[16:18] <qense> I vote for the 19th in that case.
[16:18] <yofel> +1 for 19th
[16:19] <jibel> yofel: the OR said it happens with compiz turned off so ask for the output of the command gconftool -g /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager
[16:19] <qense> hggdh: you use nvidia on lucid?
[16:20] <yofel> jibel: ah ok, didn't know where that was set, thx
[16:20] <hggdh> no, I have an ATI (which, BTW, is not working)
[16:20] <hggdh> qense: ^
[16:20] <hggdh> +1 on the 19th.
[16:21] <hggdh> bdmurray: ^ we postpone, I guess
[16:21] <yofel> qense: I use nvidia on lucid, didn't reboot for a wihle though and can't say if the new driver works or not
[16:21] <qense> ah, I had GDM troubles as well, but a new upload of the nvidia drivers solved it. Maybe similar to the prolems with your ATi?
[16:21] <bdmurray> hggdh: got it, thanks!
[16:22] <hggdh> qense: IDK... ATI is broken for about a month, but this issue on X was new, after today's upgrades (and two bugs opened for it)
[16:22] <qense> ah, maybe I'll experience it as well soon then
[16:22] <hggdh> I have been running VESA since ATI croaked
[16:22] <qense> Vesa? :O
[16:22] <hggdh> better than VGA ;-)
[16:22] <qense> and I was thinking ATi was improving on Linux
[16:23] <hggdh> it was/is/will/would be
[16:23] <qense> good
[16:23] <hggdh> but I got ATI, the display is absolutely corrupted
[16:24] <micahg> hggdh: free drivers or fglrx
[16:24] <hggdh> micahg: free drivers. fglrx is another I gave up about 6 months ago :-)
[16:25] <hggdh> X autosenses it as a radeon
[16:25] <micahg> hggdh: maybe try the latest fglrx directly from ATI, it's fixed my issues in the past
[16:25] <hggdh> micahg: good idea, will try.
[16:26] <micahg> hggdh: tha ATI package can generate .debs
[16:28] <hggdh> oh, even better, then I can (hopefully) have a clean uninstall
[16:29] <hggdh> cuz, right now, VESA sucks ;-)
[16:58] <thekorn> komputes, I've one question about the mail you sent to the ML about the nspluginwrapper bugs, what do you mean by 'merge'?
[16:58] <thekorn> choosing one as master and marking the other as duplicates?
[16:59] <komputes> thekorn: yes, marking the two newer ones as duplicates of the first one reported.
[17:00] <komputes> thekorn: since they affect many people i thought I would check with the team first
[17:00] <komputes> thekorn: they seem to be the same bug
[17:01] <thekorn> komputes, I personally don't care, but this would generate alot of bugmail noise,
[17:01] <thekorn> which might anoy some unlucky people
[17:01] <thekorn> and I'm not sure if this is worth it
[17:02] <thekorn> so I personally think we should leave it as it is right now
[17:02] <thekorn> but ask the mozilla-team if this bugs are on their radar
[17:03] <thekorn> and ask them to leave an official statement on the bugreports about their plans
[17:08] <micahg> komputes: bug #?
[17:09] <thekorn> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/141613
[17:09] <thekorn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/178038
[17:09] <thekorn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/192270
[17:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 141613 in nspluginwrapper "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [High,Confirmed]
[17:09] <ubot4> thekorn: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/178038)
[17:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 192270 in nspluginwrapper "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Medium,New]
[17:10] <micahg> komputes: please don't mark duplicate unless you verified the cause in the stacktrace is the same
[17:11] <komputes> micahg: thats where i was hesitant, stacktrace looks similar but not identical
[17:11] <micahg> thekorn: komputes: I'll take a look at these later tonight
[17:11] <komputes> asac: ^ these bugs on your radar?
[17:11] <thekorn> micahg, super, great thanks
[17:11] <komputes> micahg: thank you
[17:53] <om26er_> what should i do with a bug saying 'no gchat' and in description 'i cannot use gchat' and was asked to provide further info and did not reply in 2moths. i can use gtalk so should i mark it invalid?
[17:54] <bdmurray> Do these linux mint people have a bug tracker?
[17:54] <bdmurray> om26er_: yes, that sounds reasonable
[17:55] <om26er_> ok
[17:56] <hggdh> om26er_: follow the standard replies, please
[17:56] <pedro_> bdmurray, seems they're using launchpad
[17:56] <om26er_> hggdh, you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses ?
[17:57] <pedro_> bdmurray, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/linuxmint
[17:58] <hggdh> om26er_: yes, sorry for missing to provide the link
[17:58] <bdmurray> pedro_: ooh, awesome thanks
[17:58] <om26er_> hggdh, actually i got the link from you in the email i think
[17:58] <pedro_> np
[17:59] <hggdh> heh. Age is kicking in, I guess ;-)
[18:05] <xteejx> Hi guys
[18:07] <xteejx> Need help with triaging bug 115967, I don't know ldap at all, but this bug is from 2007 but still a problem in Karmic, any help please?
[18:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 115967 in sudo "sudo-ldap not working with ldaps" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115967
[18:13] <om26er_> how old should a bug be to close it if no reply from the reporter/any other confirmer
[18:14] <xteejx> om26er_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Incomplete%20bugs%20without%20a%20response%20from%20submitter
[18:23] <xteejx> anyone able to help triaging sudo/ldap?
[18:31] <xteejx> also, at what point is a good time to start pointing people to test a Lucid live CD? alpha 1/2/3, etc or beta/rc??
[18:34] <xteejx> ill be here for a bit someone say my name ill grab the message/reply :)
[18:43] <xteejx> micahg, sorry to bother you, are you busy/able to help at all?
[18:44] <micahg> xteejx: maybe
[18:45] <xteejx> micahg, its bug 115967, the bug is from 2007 but still a problem in Karmic, don't know where to go from here with triage as I don't know ldap at all
[18:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 115967 in sudo "sudo-ldap not working with ldaps" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115967
[18:47] <micahg> xteejx: maybe check in #ubuntu-server
[18:47] <hggdh> bdmurray: why is the bug-control ML receiving apport-generated email? -- telepathhy, ubiquity, and others
[18:47] <micahg> hggdh: 10 or more dups
[18:48] <bdmurray> those bugs need a bug pattern
[18:48] <xteejx> micahg: Didn't realise there was a ubuntu-server will have an ask in a bit
[18:48] <hggdh> ah
[18:48] <xteejx> i had them through as well
[18:48] <bdmurray> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lucid-qa-improved-duplicate-bug-management
[18:48] <hggdh> I had forgotten :-(
[18:48] <hggdh> memory, Brian, memory, and a customer that gets more and more confusing
[18:50] <hggdh> BTW, bdmurray, I agree that the bughelpers ML can be discontinued
[18:53] <bdmurray> I'm gonna work on a pattern for screenlets bug 238841
[18:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 238841 in screenlets "SysmonitorScreenlet.py crashed with TypeError in on_draw()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/238841
[18:53] <bdmurray> it looks like 503983 could use one too
[18:53] <xteejx> I'm guessing my bug 115967 might have enough information to step it up to Triaged... not 100% sure though
[18:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 115967 in sudo "sudo-ldap not working with ldaps" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115967
[19:14] <xteejx> bdmurray: is there an apport hook for pm-utils?
[19:53] <thekorn> wow, the retracers seem to be on fire today ;)
[19:54] <maco> did it just discover a masterbug and dup 45-ish bugs to it? or were those all duping to other bugs? i didnt pay that close of attention as i went "AHHH!"
[20:10] <vish> could someone make https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/281717 , public? my bug just got duped to it
[20:10] <ubot4> vish: Error: This bug is private
[20:10] <vish> yeah yeah... !  ;p
[20:11] <vish> we should make the bots know when the user says its private :)
[20:12] <Pici> :)
[20:14] <hggdh> vish: done. I beieve you will not mark it confirmed, etc, etc ;-)
[20:16] <vish> hggdh: hmm.. i'm confused now after you said that... am i allowed to mark it or ... forbidden :s
[20:17] <hggdh> vish: now that it is public, yes. If your bug is the same issue, then the bug is certainly confirmed
[20:17] <vish> hggdh: hehe , you were mocking me from the other bug... lol ;)
[20:17] <hggdh> :-)
[20:18] <hggdh> not really mocking, though, just prodding you in the Right Direction (TM) for triage work ;-)
[20:20] <qense> maco, thekorn: the bugcontrol mailist is subscribed to every bug with 10 or more duplicates until a bug pattern has been written. That bug pattern should prevent the bug from being reported again and instead redirect the people to the existing master bug report.
[20:21] <maco> ah
[20:21] <thekorn> ah
[20:21] <maco> thekorn: jynx you owe me a soda
[20:21] <thekorn> oh
[20:22] <thekorn> okidoki, deal
[20:22] <maco> hehe
[20:22]  * micahg never understood what they were for before...
[20:22] <maco> does "jynx" (or something similar) exist over there, thekorn?
[20:24] <thekorn> hmm, no, but I've heard this phrase before
[20:24]  * hggdh is lost
[20:28] <maco> in the US if 2 people say the same thing at the same time you shout "jynx!" and then the person who wasnt first to say it has to be silent
[20:28] <maco> standard end of the jynx is a soda
[20:32] <hggdh> oh. Native customs.
[20:33] <hggdh> :-)
[20:36] <BUGabundo> ahah
[20:36] <xteejx> hey guys
[20:37] <xteejx> bug 124113, should I close this bug report, the reporter hasn't answered the question and I don't know if this was ever implemented
[20:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 124113 in iputils "ping6 doesn't support ICMPv6 Node Information DNS Name queries" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124113
[20:39] <xteejx> maco: we do that in the UK too lol
[20:40] <maco> xteejx: ok. i didnt know how far it went, just that apparently not in germany since thekorn doesnt know it
[20:41] <xteejx> maco: stops at the east of the pond, although it wouldnt surprise me if they did it in oz too, british commonwealth
[20:42] <qense> in the Netherlands some people scream 'citroen!' (citron!) when it happens, but most people just find it a bad joke :P
[20:42] <xteejx> qense: citron? doesn't that mean lemon?
[20:43] <qense> no, it's the yellow kind
[20:43] <jpds> xteejx: No, it's a car.
[20:43] <maco> qense: lemons are the yellow kind
[20:43] <qense> the man who founded the company was named Citroen but changed his name to Citroën when he moved to France because it sounded more french
[20:43] <maco> the green ones are limes
[20:43] <xteejx> jpds, i know citroen is a car maker we have them in the UK, just zitronen in german means lemon lol
[20:44] <BUGabundo> qense: ahahahh
[20:44] <xteejx> sounds similar
[20:44] <qense> Citroen was a common Jewish surname until the WWII
[20:44] <xteejx> oh.....
[20:44] <xteejx> :)
[20:45] <xteejx> anyway......forget citroen, buy an aston martin db9 ;)
[20:45] <maco> in aruba they mostly only have limes, no lemons, so most people there dont even know the word "lemon" and in the rare case that a bar has them, they refer to them as "yellow limes"
[20:45] <qense> I have heard of limes before, but I never new the citrons were the green ones
[20:45] <xteejx> maco: seriously? haha
[20:45] <qense> :)
[20:46] <xteejx> in england we have custard, but the french call it creme anglais....english cream, they dont believe custard exists
[20:47] <maco> dont they call mince pies like "tarts anglais" too?
[20:47] <xteejx> yeah i think so haha
[20:47] <xteejx> how grinchy :)
[20:47] <qense> Well, we have Filet Amèricain (in the Netherlands, it's not known in France), but no American has ever heard of it.
[20:47] <xteejx> filet? as in a fillet of chicken or fish or something?
[20:48] <qense> chopped and minced meat chopped in small pieces and then made into small pieces
[20:48] <maco> ground beef?
[20:48] <qense> this stuff: http://images.google.nl/images?hl=nl&source=hp&q=filet+americain&btnG=Afbeeldingen+zoeken&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=
[20:48] <xteejx> just wiki-ed it.....its made from horse meat....banned in the EU lol
[20:48] <qense> banned? Not here :P
[20:48] <qense> maybe made from fake horse meat nowadays
[20:49] <xteejx> netherlands is EU isnt it?
[20:49] <xteejx> its prob beef
[20:49] <qense> yes we are!
[20:49] <maco> looks like burgers
[20:49] <qense> burgers?
[20:49] <xteejx> maco: it does a bit
[20:49] <qense> nah, it's raw meat
[20:49] <maco> oh!
[20:50] <maco> carpaccio?
[20:50] <maco> er, carpacio, i mean
[20:50] <xteejx> raw meat!?
[20:50] <maco> but carpacio wouldnt be ground...
[20:50] <xteejx> wth is carpacio?
[20:50] <maco> slices of raw beef
[20:50] <qense> According to Wikipedia NL it's this in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steak_tartare
[20:50] <maco> theres also salmon carpacio, it hink
[20:50] <xteejx> ewwww
[20:50] <qense> but Filet Americain looks different
[20:51] <qense> made from raw lean beef
[20:51] <maco> well salmon carpacio's no different than super-super-thinly sliced sashimi
[20:52] <xteejx> its like we have "burger sauce" which is for chips (thick fries) to dip in, its only seen in the SE of england, no-one else in the world knows what it is....its like tomato puree and apricot sauce stuff
[20:52] <qense> Is it any edible? I've never had sushi and no salmon carpaccio either.
[20:52] <xteejx> sushi is really nice
[20:53] <qense> PM sauce! :P It's from a Dutch company now, iirc
[20:53] <qense> or was it MP sauce?
[20:53] <xteejx> PM?
[20:53] <maco> salmon is MUCH better raw than cooked
[20:53] <maco> tuna too
[20:53] <xteejx> i agree
[20:54] <xteejx> and dolphin..... theres enough in tuna!
[20:54] <maco> O_O dolphin's a mammal!
[20:54] <xteejx> buger sauce = american fry sauce + mustard! wow didnt know that
[20:54] <maco> oh wait... that probably doesnt matter to you
[20:54] <qense> Member of Parliament sauce. Very famous English sauce named after its first noteworthy users and said to be horrid.
[20:54] <xteejx> maco: fished from Japan
[20:54] <xteejx> maco: it does
[20:54] <xteejx> qense: never heard of it lol
[20:55] <maco> the uh..vegetarian in me gaped at "dolphin"
[20:56] <qense> A friend of mine whose mother is English knew it and was offended by the comment of the newspaper said it was a combination of watery ketchup and liquorice/licorice/drop (no proper English word?) water
[20:56] <maco> oh um, i do not recommend shark.
[20:56] <xteejx> maco: I'm not vegetarian, but very compassionate to animal welfare :)
[20:56] <xteejx> qense: we have licorice lol and its HP sauce or commonly known as just "brown sauce" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce
[20:56] <qense> ah, HP sauce
[20:56] <maco> my dad once served shark when i was a kid. was not tasty. even my siblings (who generally enjoy eating meat and fish and things) did not like it
[20:56] <qense> Houses of Parliament?
[20:57] <qense> shark? that is a weird dish!
[20:57] <xteejx> qense: ohhhhhhhhhh omg i never made that connection!!! hahaha probably only person in britain that knows
[20:57] <qense> It stood in the newspaper here!
[20:57] <qense> wait! did you recognise it from my description? :P
[20:58] <xteejx> qense: no i googled it hahah :P
[20:58] <xteejx> its really steak sauce
[20:58] <xteejx> or in greece....teriyaki
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - bug 503983 was caused by the recent glibc breakage by the way, which is fixed now
[21:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503983 in gnome-menus "update-gnome-menus-cache crashed with Error in setlocale()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503983
[21:01] <chrisccoulson> it's actually a duplicate of bug 504198, but i'm not sure if there's any easy way of relinking all those duplicates
[21:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504198 in eglibc "locale support broken on upgrade to latest eglibc" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504198
[21:01] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: I meant have something lying around but it'd just cause more e-mail to 504198
[21:02] <bdmurray> er might! ;-)
[21:03] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - no worries. i'll just close that one as fix released now and add a comment with the master bug number in
[21:03] <bdmurray> that seems best, thanks!
[21:04] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: would a launchpad search for setlocale() be a good idea too?
[21:04] <xteejx> bdmurray: as i asked earlier, you were prob busy....is there an apport hook for pm-utils, seems that there would be to replace acpi-support but there isn't one listed in the wiki
[21:04] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - yeah, possibly. i think the glibc breakage caused quite a few things to crash, so there might still be a few open bugs, even though it was only broken for a short period
[21:06] <xteejx> soooooooooo many bugs LP janitor has missed....doesn't it prune and invalidate old incomplete bugs?
[21:07] <bdmurray> xteejx: no that is turned off atm
[21:07] <xteejx> the pruning or the apport hook?
[21:07] <bdmurray> the janitor
[21:07] <bdmurray> and there is no hook for pm-utils
[21:09] <xteejx> oh :( on both
[21:09] <xteejx> oh well, "-p linux" i guess then
[21:10] <yofel> could someone set bug 504116 to Medium/Triaged? Thx.
[21:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504116 in apport "apport-collect returns incorrect name with -h option" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504116
[21:11] <bcurtiswx> anyone know why as bug control i can not access https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/503895
[21:11] <ubot4> bcurtiswx: Error: This bug is private
[21:12] <xteejx> bcurtiswx: can't access that either
[21:12]  * bcurtiswx shrugs
[21:12] <xteejx> pass...
[21:13] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: ^^
[21:13] <hggdh> the bug is probably waiting for apport-retraces to do its magic
[21:14] <hggdh> it is apport-retracer that assigns the bug triagers group(s)
[21:14] <hggdh> for our own bug, we have access, but not for others'
[21:14] <bdmurray> I can't see it either fwiw
[21:14] <xteejx> thought bug control had unrestricted access...maybe not
[21:15] <bdmurray> xteejx: well it is possibly not an Ubuntu bug ;-)
[21:15] <bdmurray> additionally a bug can be private and not an apport crash
[21:15] <bcurtiswx> it was marked a duplicate of an ubuntu bug...
[21:15] <xteejx> bdmurray: trust the brains of the outfit to think the obvious leaving us sratching our heads hehe :)
[21:16] <bcurtiswx> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/computer-janitor/+bug/503656 marked as dup of that
[21:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503656 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [High,Confirmed]
[21:17] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: hmm, I'd check with pitti then
[21:18] <yofel> and bug 505671 to Whishlist/Triaged
[21:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 505671 in apport "Redundant "Tags" field is added to bug descriptions in Launchpad" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/505671
[21:19] <bdmurray> yofel: I'd Won't Fix bug 505671
[21:20] <yofel> bdmurray: well, I'm not sure, It has some documenting value, but it indeed it duplicate information
[21:20] <bdmurray> yofel: I biased since I likely asked for it
[21:20] <thekorn> hmm, the bug above (bug 503656) looks similar to another one, /me tries to find it
[21:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503656 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503656
[21:21] <yofel> bdmurray: ah ok ^^
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: there are quite a few since it crashes easily in lucid
[21:21] <yofel> well, I personally don't care if it's there or not, so feel free to do what you want with the bug
[21:22] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, right, bug 503727 is the one, which as also a good number of dups
[21:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503727 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503727
[21:22] <thekorn> maybe another candidate for a bugpattern ;)
[21:22] <thekorn> let's try to write one!
[21:22] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: 656 has a launchpad janitor entry that said its a dup of 727 BUT it couldn't do it either (which I was trying to do manually but ran into my original problem) :D
[21:23] <xteejx> bdmurray: forgot to ask, when would you suggest we begin to ask bug reporters to test Lucid live/daily CDs for current hardware issues? I mean now or when beta comes out?
[21:23] <xteejx> its not really documented
[21:24] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, ok, I think I will just un-private the one bug and mark the other one as duplicate
[21:25] <thekorn> ..and write a pattern for it
[21:25] <bcurtiswx> pitti said the bug i mentioned earlier was only accessible to apport.. hes looking into it
[21:25] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, oh, you already did it
[21:26] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, aha, now I got what your original problem was
[21:26] <thekorn> sorry, did not pay attention
[21:27] <yofel> bdmurray: but can you set bug 504116 to Medium/Triaged? The help output has nothing to do with the actual used command
[21:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504116 in apport "apport-collect returns incorrect name with -h option" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504116
[21:27] <bcurtiswx> well i was originally going to manually dup the 656 to 727 and carry on some manual bug dup moving.. beh, its hard to describe :P
[21:35] <xteejx> when should we be directing people to test Lucid Live/daily CDs for hardware support issues, now or when a future alpha or beta comes out??
[21:36] <yofel> bdmurray: thanks :)
[21:38] <bdmurray> xteejx: if its is possible with the live cd now would be great
[21:39] <xteejx> bdmurray: cool no probs, will start directing peeps to a daily live CD then - thanks for clearing that up :)
[21:39] <bcurtiswx> ok, someone want to introduce me to this bug pattern thing we can do now.. whats involved?
[21:40] <thekorn> bdmurray, hey, is it poosible to search for a string in an attachement in a bugpattern?
[21:40] <thekorn> like in the Traceback.txt added by apport
[21:50] <bdmurray> thekorn: yes, see ubuntuone-client for an example
[21:52] <thekorn> bdmurray, sorry, now I'm lost ;) I don't see a pattern for ubuntuone-client on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns/files
[22:08] <bdmurray> thekorn: oh, I must not have checked it in.  see gnome-menus.xml then ;-)
[22:10] <bdmurray> basically the key will be Traceback
[22:13] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: its just writing a simple xml pattern
[22:13] <bcurtiswx> ok, what is a pattern?
[22:14] <bcurtiswx> if its a dumb question please feel free to mock me and shame me for it :P
[22:14] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns/revision/58
[22:14] <bdmurray> that's one what looks like
[22:15] <bdmurray> when apport is filing a crash it first checks to see if the crash matches a pattern like the following
[22:15] <bdmurray> then it directs the reporter to the pattern url instead of filing another bug report
[22:16] <bcurtiswx> ah, easy enough
[22:16] <bcurtiswx> thekorn, were you working on one for the bugs I mentioned earlier?
[22:16] <bdmurray> so you copy an existing one and modify the relevant bits
[22:16] <bcurtiswx> bdmurray: thanks. i do that for a lot of things :D
[22:16] <bdmurray> then you check the "master bug" using test-local
[22:17] <bcurtiswx> tag it test-local?
[22:17] <bdmurray> the check all the bugs for the package using search-bugs to cleanup duplicates and look for false positives
[22:17] <bdmurray> bugpatterns/master] ./test-local 503727
[22:17] <bdmurray> its a script in the bugpatterns bzr branch
[22:20] <bdmurray> I'd be happy to review any patterns for people
[22:23] <xteejx> can anyone have a look at bug 115967 please, am stuck on triaging I don't know the package, its in Karmic, is this enough to go to Triaged? I feel it might be but want a 2nd opinion
[22:23] <thekorn> bdmurray, I think writing a one for bug 503727 should be easy, but maybe bcurtiswx is doing it right now ?
[22:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 115967 in sudo "sudo-ldap not working with ldaps" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/115967
[22:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503727 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503727
[22:24] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: yes i am attempting to :D
[22:25] <bdmurray> xteejx: I check in #ubuntu-server maybe
[22:25] <bdmurray> er I'd
[22:25] <xteejx> bdmurray: asked a while ago, no response
[22:26] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, this is how I would do it, what do you think? http://paste.ubuntu.com/355755/
[22:28] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: lol i just made http://paste.ubuntu.com/355756/ to see if i fail or not
[22:29] <bdmurray> bcurtiswx: you'd have to escape the parens in yours
[22:29] <bdmurray> so \(\)
[22:29] <bcurtiswx> ah darn \(\)
[22:29] <xteejx> trying again in server, maybe get a response this time
[22:29] <bcurtiswx> ok so since im gonna play the dumb card here.. how do I put that into the codebase?
[22:30] <bdmurray> bzr add, bzr commit -m "blah", bzr push
[22:30] <bcurtiswx> im used to svn... same?
[22:30] <thekorn> yay for meaningful commit messages ;)
[22:30] <bdmurray> I'd use bcurtiswx's pattern since it is more specific just to be safe
[22:31] <bcurtiswx> is there a specific way to co the code?
[22:31] <thekorn> I'd take a combination of both ;)
[22:31] <bdmurray> well when I said blah I meant something like mine ;-)
[22:31] <bdmurray> making a gnome-menus pattern for LP: #503983
[22:31] <thekorn> his Title node and my Taceback one ;)
[22:32] <bdmurray> thekorn: ah, yeah that'd be ideal
[22:32] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: ok i'll do
[22:32] <thekorn> bcurtiswx, super, great
[22:33] <bcurtiswx> is there a web address to co with..? im used to svn co http://url.to.code.here/
[22:33] <bcurtiswx> co = checkout .. sorry
[22:34] <thekorn> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-bugcontrol/apport/ubuntu-bugpatterns   to get the source
[22:35] <thekorn> ...amke your changes ...
[22:36] <thekorn> bzr add; bzr commit -m "blah ;)"; bzr push :parent
[22:37] <bcurtiswx> thekorn: thx
[22:42] <bcurtiswx> done :D
[22:42]  * bdmurray claps
[22:43] <bcurtiswx> yeah, im a no0b.  :P
[22:43] <bcurtiswx> now to test?
[22:44] <bdmurray> testing before committing / pushing is really the right thing to do
[22:44] <bdmurray> as is this could block all bug filing for a package
[22:44] <bcurtiswx> i know.. i realized this too late
[22:44] <bdmurray> but ./test-local 13456 where that is your master bug number
[22:46] <bcurtiswx> LP: #503727: Matched bug pattern: https://launchpad.net/bugs/503727
[22:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503727 in computer-janitor "computer-janitor-gtk crashed with KeyError in create_column()" [Undecided,New]
[22:46] <bdmurray> then you could use test-local with some duplicates of it or doing something like
[22:46] <bdmurray>  ./search-bugs --tags apport-crash --package computer-janitor
[22:47] <bdmurray> I'm working on software-center now fwiw
[22:48] <bcurtiswx> Reached master bug LP: #503727
[22:48] <bdmurray> okay, so there likely aren't any more to consolidate
[22:48] <thekorn> I think you should also try ./search-bugs --tags apport-crash --package computer-janitor -d
[22:49] <thekorn> to check if it works with already marked duplicates
[22:49] <bdmurray> that just leaves unsubscribing the team from the bug and updating the tag
[22:49] <bdmurray> thekorn: oh, that's a good idea ;-)
[22:50] <bcurtiswx> yeah, it's catching them all :D cool
[22:53] <bcurtiswx> alrightie, dinner time here.. bbs
[23:17] <xteejx> wishlist bug 144793, would this be an implemented feature now?
[23:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 144793 in partman-auto-loop "Use dd with bs=4k when creating disk images" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144793


[11:24] <seb128> is anyone looking at https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/009ff218f16e78b57614e9a3a0e4ddae9cb0750a / https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1442508
[11:25] <seb128> it's one of the most reported vivid issues on e.u.c this week
[11:25] <seb128> seems it started with u-s-c 0.0.5+15.04.20150227-0ubuntu1 (the most recent version)
[19:25] <mterry> Is there a convenient way to get mir-next on my machine?
[19:26] <mterry> I see the staging ppa
[19:26] <mterry> But that only has mir
[19:26] <mterry> Not usc, qtmir, and unity8 rebuilt
[20:20] <kdub> mterry, not in general
[20:21] <kdub> but, there should be a coherent silo being put together this week