[04:34] <jpds> infinity / slangasek: I have no intentions of putting efitools in main.
[04:35] <jpds> infinity / slangasek: I just want it in universe of Secure Boot work of mine.
[04:35] <jpds> infinity: But yeah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages says to file an FFE.
[04:36] <jpds> slangasek: And yes, I have an enterprise customer that needs them. :)
[04:37] <jpds> But I think they'll live with them being in universe.
[05:47] <infinity> jpds: I guess I'm curious about why they're "needed".
[05:53] <jpds> infinity: To manage their own enterprise keys.
[05:54] <infinity> jpds: Do we not already have tools that let people do that?
[05:55] <jpds> infinity: I think there's sbsigntool, but efitools seems to complement it.
[05:55]  * infinity shrugs.
[05:55] <infinity> Kay.
[05:55] <infinity> It'll get reviewed.  I was just concerned about the "people need this" wording in the FFe.
[05:56] <infinity> Cause if it's needed for platform support, it belongs in main.  If it's not, it probably doesn't need to exist.  So... Whee.
[05:57] <jpds> Well, I doubt most people want to maintain their own enterprise key sets.
[05:57] <jpds> Some of us, do. :)
[10:33] <didrocks> do you have any time to look at the apport change? We don't have reliable Touch image test results on the number of crashes we get until that one went in?
[10:45] <seb128> does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1294891 need a ffe?
[10:45] <seb128> (that's a new package)
[10:45] <seb128> no bugbot?
[10:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1294891 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu GNOME community wallpapers" [High,Triaged]
[10:45] <seb128> (oh, just some lag)
[10:45] <Laney> Yeah, but if you're fine to NEW review it then what evs, I'll ack it
[10:46] <seb128> well, I can't sponsor and NEW it as well... ;-)
[10:46] <seb128> dholbach reviewed it, let me see if he wants to upload so I can NEW and you can ack it
[10:46] <Laney> the dream team
[10:47] <seb128> indeed!
[10:54] <xnox> Hello =) Can ~sru please release debian-installer into precise-updates? Maybe, arges_ =)
[11:14] <didrocks> sorry to reping, but we are really blocked on Touch on the apport change to get reliable and useful crash test results, can anyone look at it?
[11:15] <Laney> am looking
[11:15] <Laney> do you know which fix is the relevant one?
[11:15] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/apport/fix-cgroup/+merge/212282
[11:16] <Laney> nod
[11:16] <didrocks> Laney: just some additional space, what can happen wrongly? :)
[11:20] <didrocks> thanks Laney
[11:21] <Laney> yw, good luck ;-)
[11:22] <infinity> xnox: Ahh, didn't notice the d-i there when I did the kernels.  Will copy.
[11:22] <xnox> infinity: thanks.
[11:36] <Laney> I think that fcitx-qimpanel upload might be a mistake
[11:37] <Laney> rejecting, happyaron can come back if not
[12:19] <Laney> Anyone feel qualified to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io/+bug/1295093 ?
[12:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1295093 in docker.io (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Sync docker.io 0.9.0 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:14] <rbasak> Can someone look at the juju-quickstart FFe for me, please? Bug 1282630.
[13:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1282630 in juju-quickstart (Ubuntu Trusty) "[FFe] Upgrade juju-quickstart to new upstream release 1.3.0" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1282630
[13:45] <tjaalton> I've just uploaded new sssd to fix a ftbfs (stupid lp), and autofs to build-depend on sssd-common so that it'll build support for sssd backend
[13:46] <tjaalton> but it'll mean finally fixing the sssd MIR
[13:46] <tjaalton> which is bug 903752
[13:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 903752 in sssd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] sssd" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/903752
[13:47] <tjaalton> so if someone has cycles to add sssd to the supported seed that would be great, I never succeeded in that when gave germinate a try..
[14:01] <roaksoax> infinity: howdy!! any chance you could look at the MAAS FFe and process it from the unapproved queue?
[14:02] <ScottK> roaksoax: You aren't supposed to upload until after an FFe is approved.
[14:06] <roaksoax> ScottK: I'm aware... but its been open for over a month
[14:06] <ScottK> How does that change if you should upload it?
[14:06] <roaksoax> ScottK: it doesn't, but it is a  way for someone to notice it
[14:07] <ScottK> Noticed and rejected.
[14:07] <roaksoax> ScottK: Thanks for being so helpful
[14:07] <roaksoax> gaughen: ^^
[14:09] <ScottK> I don't have an opinion on the FFe itself.  If it gets approved, we can later accept it from the rejected queue.  In the mean time, it won't get processed in the queue by someone who might not realize it has a pending FFe.
[14:09] <gaughen> roaksoax, what just got rejected for maas?
[14:09] <ScottK> This doesn't hurt you at all, it just protects the release team from the possible effects of your inappropriate upload.
[14:11] <roaksoax> ScottK: agreed, but something else you could have done was to review the FFe. It is not the first time I see a package being uploaded before having the FFe approved, in fact, I've been recommended to upload packages many teams before having FFe/MIR approvals to have it in the queue. But anyways, that's a completely different matter. Thanks for rejecting it!
[14:12] <roaksoax> gaughen: FFe not approved.. it was filed over a month ago
[14:12] <roaksoax> gaughen: so the package has been sitting in the queue since friday
[14:12] <ScottK> The best way not to get blocked on FFe approval is to get stuff in before feature freeze.
[14:13] <roaksoax> ScottK: agreed! but unfortunately all the work needed to be done couldn't be completed before FF
[14:15] <roaksoax> ScottK: hence we filed the FFe early for all the incoming features
[14:20] <stgraber> tjaalton: added to the supported seed, we'll see if all goes well with the next c-m run
[14:20] <tjaalton> stgraber: whoa, thanks!
[14:22] <stgraber> tjaalton: btw, something must be wrong with sssd's upstart job somehow. I had it get stuck a few times to the point where I had to reboot the system for upstart to get a clean state again...
[14:22] <stgraber> tjaalton: this happens when sssd starts and dies which can happen if you have a sssd.conf but no keytab or something along those lines
[14:23] <tjaalton> stgraber: yeah I think I've seen that too at some point..
[14:23] <tjaalton> when debugging something
[14:23] <stgraber> tjaalton: I was wondering if it may be worth forcing sssd to stay in the foreground and then drop "expect fork", that should fix that kind of problem
[14:24] <tjaalton> could be
[14:25] <gaughen> ScottK, now that your mind is on maas, you going to have a peak at the maas FFe?
[14:28] <ScottK> You probably would rather I didn't.  Given maas's track record for having a development schedule aligned to Ubuntu's I would approach it very skeptically.
[14:29] <jdstrand> infinity: hi! fyi, bug #1298611 has the testing documented
[14:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298611 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "[FFe] apparmor signal and ptrace mediation" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298611
[14:29] <jdstrand> infinity: not sure why it picked up libvirt there...
[14:30] <jdstrand> infinity: anyhoo-- the kernel is ready to be reviewed
[14:30] <jdstrand> infinity: apparmor userspace, libvirt, et all will come later in the week (again, they can be separate from the kernel)
[15:11] <stgraber> tjaalton: sssd now showed up on c-m, I promoted it to main so the next run should let us know if everything is clean or if it's trying to bring other things in main with it. I guess some of the binary packages may also want to move back to universe, we'll look into those then.
[15:16] <stgraber> tjaalton: looks like sssd is trying to pull at least libpam-pwquality and libsasl2-modules-ldap into main
[15:53] <stgraber> tjaalton: the following packages also want to move back to universe, any reason to seed any of those? python-libipa-hbac python-libsss-nss-idmap sssd-tools
[16:02] <tjaalton> stgraber: i'll check those in 3h when i'm back home. could be i need to change the packaging a bit to avoid pulling the world in main..
[16:20] <tjaalton> stgraber: pwquality mir should be accepted somewhere, the pam module too
[16:25] <ScottK> Should we have a transition tracker for rebuilding python extensions to support 3.4 only?
[16:26] <cjwatson> Sounds like a plan; there are a couple like that already ...
[16:29] <ScottK> I think it's mostly bad have depends python3* >= 3.3 and good being >= 3.4, IIRC.
[17:02] <slangasek> jpds: why do they need these SB tools, instead of the ones we already have in main?
[17:02] <slangasek> ah, n/m, read the scrollback
[17:04] <tjaalton> stgraber: a quick glance shows that the non-main deps of the python libs and sssd-tools are from sssd itself
[18:09] <xnox> android-tools upload ^ is a one-liner fix, which makes "adb shell" have a system locale set and behave less brain-dead. This unbreaks a few things that try to decode everything in POSIX/ascii at the moment.
[18:09] <xnox> it's been well-tested since january, but never uploaded.
[18:10] <zul> can someone reject the ceilometer upload please?
[18:21] <xnox> ScottK: good catch, about 58 packages are like that.
[18:25] <ScottK> xnox: Did you set up a tracker?
[18:26] <xnox> ScottK: yeah, created a tracker, which ends up listing 19 source packages. Will work on uploading them.
[18:32] <ScottK> xnox: You can skip pykde4 if it's on the list since it'll be uploaded again anyway.
[18:32] <xnox> ScottK: thanks. ditoo pyqt?
[18:32] <xnox> and sip4?
[18:33] <ScottK> No immediate plans on those, you may as well go ahead.
[18:33] <ScottK> You can skip qscintilla2 though.
[18:35] <xnox> ScottK: right, thanks. I'll fire off local rebuild and check it after dinner and do mass dput
[19:05] <zul> ScottK:  can you reject ceilometer for me please?
[19:05] <ScottK> Sure.
[19:06] <ScottK> zul: .
[20:10] <xnox> ScottK: please accept python-levenshtein (source) for the no-change rebuilds
[22:12] <rtg> infinity, just uploaded a kernel if you would be so kind as to accept it for building.
[22:13] <infinity> rtg: No more kernels for you.
[22:14] <rtg> infinity, there will be at least one more. sorry.
[22:14] <infinity> rtg: Especially not ones with 6MB diffs.  Is your tree clean?
[22:14] <rtg> well, lemmecheck
[22:14] <rtg> infinity, looks clean
[22:14] <infinity> I suppose that's plausible, given the .8 rebase.
[22:14] <infinity> Lemme look.
[22:15] <rtg> infinity, it was a pretty big stable update
[22:15] <rtg> which is why I wanted some mileage on it before freeze
[22:16] <infinity> rtg: Oh, whee, this is also the apparmor FFe?
[22:16] <rtg> infinity, yup to AA. 47 stable patches.
[22:16] <rtg> misc config changes as well
[22:16] <infinity> jjohansen: Is alpha6 still the one you wanted there?
[22:17] <infinity> rtg: Kay, so this AA FFe needs some attention before I JFDI on the accept, but I'll get there.
[22:17] <rtg> infinity, jjohansenassured me that it was backward compatible regardless of user space support.
[22:17] <infinity> rtg: Right, he's assured me the same thing.  We've been talking (at length) about it.
[22:17] <jjohansen> infinity: well I could give you a bigger diff that I guarantee will break things
[22:18] <infinity> jjohansen: Gee, what a swell offer.
[22:18] <jjohansen> yes that kernel has been tested on precise
[22:19] <infinity> jjohansen: Okay, can you triple-check the diff in the queue and make sure it's what you wanted?  And then I'll get to abusing the FFe.
[22:20] <jjohansen> infinity: sure
[22:20] <infinity> rtg: And why did ZSWAP go away?
[22:21] <rtg> infinity, it isstill experimental, so I thought I'd rather be safe then sorry.
[22:21] <rtg> the help text is actually a little scary.
[22:21] <infinity> rtg: Hrm.  Kay, but it was on for the whole cycle, that might confuse.  Scary help text is a good enough reason, though.
[22:22] <rtg> infinity, we're having some random oops in some cases, though I have no hard evidence that ZSWAP is related. the feature is relatively new (3.11)
[22:22] <infinity> rtg: *nod*... Fair enough.  Better safe than sorry.
[22:23]  * infinity lolz at -CONFIG_VERSION_SIGNATURE="Ubuntu 3.11.0-0.1-powerpc-e500mc 3.11.0-rc5"
[22:23] <infinity> Dear Ben, Oops?
[22:23] <rtg> right
[22:26] <jjohansen> infinity: that it looks good to me
[22:26] <infinity> rtg: Alright, looks sane enough to me.  When the security team and I sort out the AA FFe, I'll either accept or reject and make you pull their patches.
[22:26] <infinity> (But I'm leaning to accept)
[22:26] <infinity> jjohansen: Kay, good deal.
[22:48] <slangasek> hmmm, anyone know where ibus-pinyin-db-android went?  ubuntukylin builds apparently depend on it and it's gone from trusty
[23:04] <infinity> slangasek: They do?  I thought I fixed all its rdeps.
[23:04] <infinity> slangasek: It was absorbed into ibus, IIRC, though I did the NBS mangling for that a while ago now.
[23:05] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, this could have something to do with them being the only flavour that isn't seed-based?  I fixed the seeds/meta for everyone else.
[23:06] <slangasek> infinity: right, they're not seed-based; if it's been absorbed into the main package, huzzah
[23:07] <infinity> slangasek: libpyzy-1.0-0: /usr/share/pyzy/db/android.db
[23:07] <infinity> slangasek: Which is a dep of ibus-pinyin
[23:08] <infinity> slangasek: Why *aren't* they seed-based? :P
[23:08] <infinity> (This also means we can't mark them as an LTS in LP very easily)
[23:11] <slangasek> because when they were first getting started, pitti's other thing was presented to them as the quick'n'easy way to localize an ISO that has a small delta to Ubuntu Desktop, and they have yet to transition off
[23:12] <slangasek> they in fact have expressed interest in switching to seeds, but this hasn't materialized for reasons unbeknownst to me; it's possible they've felt blocked on governance to make this switch
[23:13] <stgraber> if they want to swtich to using seeds, they should probably grep for edubuntu in the relevant branches and use that as an example seeing how we're also just a tiny overlay (well, a GB or so, but that doesn't really matter) on top of Ubuntu desktop
[23:16] <infinity> slangasek: So, out of curiosity, where did this pinyin-android change need to be made?  I'm a bit miffed that I didn't pick up on it in my NBS culling of the binary.
[23:16] <infinity> (ie: nothing depends on it)
[23:16] <slangasek> infinity: the ubuntukylin-default-settings package
[23:18] <infinity> Oh, bah.  Which is then installing it directly to the image, thus a lack of actual deps.
[23:18] <infinity> So, yeah, them having a meta that depends on things would be vaguely useful.


[07:59] <hws> cpaelzer: Test
[08:00] <cpaelzer> hws: exactly
[08:00] <cpaelzer> and after a long discussion like
[08:00] <cpaelzer> 1
[08:00] <cpaelzer> 2
[08:00] <cpaelzer> 3
[08:00] <cpaelzer> you could highlight more people to read the above via
[08:00] <cpaelzer> hws: ^^
[08:16] <cpaelzer> hws: btw I also created a bug for a kernel contrib by borntraeger around KVM and zero pages
[08:16] <cpaelzer> hws: you should have a mail to mirror that back
[08:16] <cpaelzer> are you the right one to do so?
[08:16] <cpaelzer> (the mirroring)
[08:16] <hws> cpaelzer: already done
[08:16] <cpaelzer> great
[08:17] <cpaelzer> while we are here - good morning borntraeger
[08:17] <hws> cpaelzer: already an answer available :)
[08:17] <cpaelzer> borntraeger: the alignment patch on qemu missed 2.10 as many others did this release
[08:17] <cpaelzer> borntraeger: did you hear anything on an earlier than usual 2.10.1 and if so any date rumors?
[08:18] <borntraeger> cpaelzer, only wishes, but no facts
[08:18] <cpaelzer> hws: the update didn't flow down to me through the tool yet
[08:18] <cpaelzer> borntraeger: ok, that is my state - thanks
[08:19] <hws> cpaelzer: just to shortcut..... FWIW, this fix is only necessary if you have guest that use storage keys - e.g. an 16.04 guest should not trigger this problem.
[08:21] <cpaelzer> hws: do we have any linux guests that use storgae keys in the meantime?
[08:21] <cpaelzer> I might have lost track
[08:21] <hws> cpaelzer: question for christian...
[08:21] <cpaelzer> and as a HV host it is a bit weird, as you can only make "so much" assumption on your guests
[08:22] <cpaelzer> who says no one uses a Ubuntu Xenial as host in 2020 (still supported then) with a new Guest that suddenly uses stroage keys
[08:22] <cpaelzer> ...
[08:22] <cpaelzer> anyway this is just the sort of discussion that I wanted on that bugzilla
[08:22] <cpaelzer> for a more permanent documentation of the case
[08:23] <cpaelzer> and since it is mirrored now this will happen
[08:23] <cpaelzer> I don't mind loosing a few hours for the mirroring
[08:32] <borntraeger> cpaelzer, hws no current Linux guest uses storage keys
[08:32] <borntraeger> sles 11 and rhel6 do
[08:32] <borntraeger> sles12, rhel7 ubuntu 16.04 do not
[08:32] <cpaelzer> well the old one before we removed it
[08:33] <cpaelzer> so since there is no intention to add storage keys back in Linux or host non Linux (not intention I'd know of) - the TL;DR is "not needed"?
[08:40] <borntraeger> cpaelzer, unless you want to support some old debians as guest or so
[08:45] <cpaelzer> borntraeger: did anybody check if there really is no perf impact?
[08:45] <cpaelzer> I know that over time all pages will be used
[08:45] <cpaelzer> but I thought the zero page would still be overloaded
[08:45] <cpaelzer> or is even the fix
[08:45] <cpaelzer> only active on storage key using guests
[08:46] <cpaelzer> borntraeger: and so it is not only "not needed" but even when applied "not actively changing" the zero page handling as long as you have only "new" guests?
[08:48] <borntraeger> cpaelzer, if a guest has a pattern of only reading a page, it will be a zero page inside the guest
[08:49] <borntraeger> cpaelzer, the fix is to not use zero pages in the host to back guest pages


[00:18] <mup> Bug #1633209 changed: Daily Images appear to have broken for xgene-uboot <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1633209>
[17:03] <mah_> Hi all I had maas deployed on orange box
[17:03] <mah_> but I did upgrade
[17:03] <mah_> then all is messed up
[17:03] <mah_> when I try to install something related to maas
[17:03] <mah_> it ask for dependencies
[17:03] <mah_> so how to solve the issue
[17:04] <brendand> mah_, can you give details on the versions and what exactly fails
[17:04] <brendand> e.g. what OS version, which maas version, which command you are running and what the output is
[17:04] <mah_> I thought i have maas 1.7
[17:05] <mah_> and when I did upgrade
[17:05] <mah_> and I figure out then a problem when connecting to maas url
[17:05] <mah_> connection refused
[17:05] <mah_> so I removed maas
[17:05] <mah_> and trying to install it again
[17:05] <mah_> but the dependencies show 1.9 version
[17:06] <mah_> so I guess that the upgrade is reason for that
[17:06] <brendand> mah_, yes. 1.9 is the supported version in trusty
[17:06] <mah_> maas : Depends: maas-region-controller (= 1.9.4+bzr4592-0ubuntu1~14.04.1) but it is not going to be installed         Depends: python-django-maas (= 1.9.4+bzr4592-0ubuntu1~14.04.1) but it is not going to be installed
[17:07] <mah_> so why that message appears
[17:07] <mah_> when I tried to install maas
[17:07] <brendand> you might need to e.g. do an apt-get update
[17:07] <brendand> and upgrade the system
[17:08] <mah_> I did that
[17:09] <mah_> but also the same problem
[17:10] <brendand> what if you do apt-get -f install?
[17:10] <mah_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:10] <brendand> that should try and fix any issues
[17:10] <mah_> apt-get -f install works ok
[17:11] <mah_> this is the error I got when install maas
[17:11] <mah_> The following packages have unmet dependencies.  maas : Depends: maas-region-controller (= 1.9.4+bzr4592-0ubuntu1~14.04.1) but it is not going to be installed         Depends: python-django-maas (= 1.9.4+bzr4592-0ubuntu1~14.04.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:13] <brendand> you might have to incrementally try to install each package and see what the root cause is
[17:14] <brendand> so try to install python-django-maas, see what the problem is with that
[18:24] <BoogPowell> Good afternoon. I just installed MAAS Region Controller from DVD into a VM. The install seemed to go fine, except trying to access "Nodes" and "Networks" from the web UI return "failed to detect a valid IP address from -1."
[18:24] <BoogPowell> Any pointers as to what'e causing this?
[19:03] <BoogPowell> Anyone?
[20:19] <BoogPowell> Wow - thanks for the help! You may go back to sleep now.
[23:37] <mup> Bug #1635061 opened: [2.1] Event log "load 30 more days" button is for loading 1 additional day <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635061>


[04:36] <Robdgreat> BOOMER
[04:36] <boomer> allo
[04:36] <Robdgreat> sup
[04:36] <boomer> just working on another assignment
[04:36] <Robdgreat> fun
[04:37] <Robdgreat> composing 8-bit music here
[04:37] <boomer> looked through those asm slides?
[04:37] <Robdgreat> haven't gotten to, yet
[04:38] <Robdgreat> I'm using GoatTracker right now
[04:38] <boomer> im learning c now
[04:38] <Robdgreat> sweet
[04:38] <Robdgreat> <3 c
[04:38] <Robdgreat> I'm not really any good at it, but I like it
[04:42] <boomer> im working on an assignment for a simple http server in java


[00:01] <allee_> bigon: should it go to /usr/share/dbus-1/services  so dbus find it?
[00:01] <bigon> yep
[00:01] <allee_> aka /usr/share/dbus-1/services
[00:02] <allee_> for kde specific files one needs to tweak the prefix but only for them
[00:04] <hunger> Good night.
[00:04] <allee_> hunger: nite
[00:04] <bigon> even files in bin/
[00:05] <bigon> .
[00:06] <bigon> ?
[00:06] <alleeHardy> stuff in bin/   depends only on qt libs  so /usr/bin should be okay IMHO
[00:06] <alleeHardy> s/only qt/not on kde/
[00:06] <bigon> mmm
[00:06] <bigon> http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=decibel&ver=0.5.0%2Bsvn737972-2&arch=powerpc&stamp=1195781792&file=log&as=raw
[00:07] <bigon> the build log of decibel on debian
[00:07] <nixternal> ppc
[00:08] <nixternal> http://experimental.debian.net/build.php?arch=&pkg=decibel
[00:08] <nixternal> that is for all
[00:10]  * bigon surrender
[00:10] <bigon> could someone else fix the FTBFS of decibel?
[00:14] <Riddell> mornfall: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747 (!)
[00:15] <mornfall> Riddell: Doesn't really seem to be compatible with perl-qt3 though? It is apparently based on SWIG and not SMOKE. Dunno though. At least if it is the same one I have seen before.
[00:18]  * nixternal heads out for some sush, sake, and sapporo!
[00:18]  * nixternal can't spell, sushi!!! not sush :p
[00:19] <Jucato> sush.... :P
[00:19] <Jucato> I've never tasted sake before... is it really good as they say? :)
[00:20] <nixternal> oh ya
[00:21] <nixternal> hot sake will put you on your arse..the best hacking medicine one could ask for :)
[00:21] <Jucato> hahah
[00:22] <DaSkreech> Hey Jucato
[00:22] <Jucato> hi Das
[00:22] <DaSkreech> how goes?
[00:23] <Jucato> very fine... :)
[00:23] <Jucato> made another new year's resolution...
[00:23] <Jucato> write only short blog posts unless absolutely necessary :)
[00:24] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[00:24]  * DaSkreech resolved not to make any resolutions
[00:25] <DaSkreech> I lost :-(
[00:25] <Jucato> :P
[00:26] <Riddell> mornfall: right, I hadn't seen it before
[00:38] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Vote!
[00:39] <Jucato> hm?
[00:39] <DaSkreech> Should I suck it up and do pure KDE4?
[00:39] <Jucato> what do you mean by "do pure KDE4"?
[00:40] <DaSkreech> Jump into KDE4 with nothing that needs KDE3 libs
[00:40] <Jucato> I vote "no"
[00:40] <DaSkreech> well as much as can be avoided
[00:41] <DaSkreech> I'll use non KDE stuff where I can
[00:41] <DaSkreech> like mplayere
[00:41] <Jucato> you're going to be  using *a lot* of non-KDE stuff then :)
[00:41] <DaSkreech> How much?
[00:42] <DaSkreech> I'll do FF3 just cause I can't live without the extensions anyway
[00:42] <Jucato> as much as the KDE 4.0 apps that don't work properly yet :)
[00:42] <DaSkreech> mplayer for audio stuff
[00:42] <DaSkreech> what else do I need?
[00:42] <Jucato> 4.x apps I mean (including trunk)
[00:42] <DaSkreech> I have centerim for IM
[00:42] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[00:43] <DaSkreech> I guess irssi for IRC
[00:43]  * Jucato doesn't get what's the point then...
[00:43] <jjesse> Jucato: dang how long can your posts get?
[00:43] <DaSkreech> Jucato: what else is missing?
[00:43] <Jucato> jjesse: that's hopefully the last :)
[00:43] <DaSkreech> jjesse: Is that a challenge? :-)
[00:43] <jjesse> DaSkreech: man i hope not, my eyes glazed over halfway through
[00:44] <Jucato> yeah... it's a year end review... but anyway.. like I said, no more long posts from me unless absolutely necessary :)
[00:45] <Jucato> anyway, breakfast
[00:46] <jjesse> grin just giving you a hard time
[00:47] <Jucato> nah, I gave myself a hard time too...
[00:48] <Jucato> but I still might do long personal blog posts, but those would probably not be in the planet (different tag, different feed :P)
[01:04]  * DaSkreech steals Jucato back
[01:18] <Riddell> nixternal: still no ktorrent-kde4 4.0.0
[01:20] <DaSkreech> Jucato: what else do you see as detrimentally missing?
[01:21] <Vorian> Riddell: I have it if you want an upload
[01:21] <Riddell> nixternal: rsibreak doesn't contain the magic debian/rules kludge to add wrapper scripts in /usr/bin and /usr/share/applications
[01:21] <Riddell> Vorian: does it have the magic debian/rules kludge?
[01:22] <Vorian> lemme check
[01:22] <Riddell> Vorian: http://pastebin.com/m671bbbc6
[01:22] <Riddell> you need to change the install/ target to something suitable
[01:24] <Vorian> Riddell: nope
[01:24] <Riddell> Vorian: could you add that and test it compiles?
[01:24] <Vorian> sure thing
[01:25] <Vorian> Riddell: in the kde.mk?
[01:25] <Riddell> Vorian: in debian/rules
[01:25] <Vorian> duh
[01:25] <Vorian> sorry
[01:26] <Riddell> ideally it would go in kde.mk but I can't find a target that works for all builds
[01:26] <Vorian> that makes sense
[01:52] <jjesse> grgh iwhy can't i get vm to vm network communication when on wireless
[01:54] <jjesse> ooo thunderstorms
[01:54] <Vorian> Riddell: it built fine
[01:54] <Riddell> Vorian: and you get something in usr/bin ?
[01:54] <Vorian> I also have his rsibreak
[01:58] <Vorian> Riddell: only usr/share and usr/lib
[01:59] <Riddell> Vorian: what did you change the install rule to?
[01:59] <Vorian> and usr/lib/kde4/bin
[02:01] <Riddell> Vorian: I need to go to bed but you need to change that top "install/kgeography-data-kde4::" to "install/ktorrent-kde4::" or maybe just "install::" whatever works
[02:01] <Riddell> debuild -nc   is your friend for working out what works
[02:01] <Vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51293/
[02:01] <Vorian> Riddell: thanks for the tip :)
[02:04] <Riddell> or maybe "common-post-build-indep::"
[02:05] <Vorian> i'll give that a whirl
[02:34] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[02:37] <Hobbsee> heya
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Vote :) should I go KDE4 pure?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> n oid ea;0
[02:38] <DaSkreech> I want to help with Bug reports etc
[02:39] <DaSkreech> I think I'll find my way into KDE3 most of the time if it annoys me
[02:39] <DaSkreech> I'm sick of Gutsy freezing on me now so I'm going to hardy
[02:39] <DaSkreech> but I thinking hardy && KDE4 pure :)
[02:40] <coreymon77> hardy=when?
[02:40] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: for me or for release ?
[02:41] <coreymon77> the latter
[02:42] <DaSkreech> april
[02:42] <coreymon77> ah
[02:42] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: want to toss a vote in?
[02:42] <coreymon77> i wonder whats gonna be done for I
[02:42] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: for what
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Should I go KDE4 pure?
[02:43] <coreymon77> dunno
[02:43] <coreymon77> havent tried it yet
[02:43] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Gut feeling :)
[02:43] <coreymon77> with my desktop box, im waiting till its stable
[02:43] <DaSkreech> Yeah reasonably I should as well
[02:44] <coreymon77> i sure hope that the release after hardy is gonna be lts, because pretty soon im gonna have to stop upgrading my distro on my desktop box
[02:45] <coreymon77> but i want to wait for a lts for that
[02:46] <Hobbsee> .....*decides not to comment*
[02:46] <coreymon77> sooner or later, my computers not gonna be able to handle newer distros
[02:46] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: what, i was told that hardy is not gonna be a kubuntu lts, isnt that right?
[02:48] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: it is not
[02:49] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i know
[02:49] <coreymon77> which is why im wondering if i should bother will kde4 yet at all on my desktop
[02:49] <coreymon77> im wondering if it can handle it
[02:50] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: it will after a while
[02:50] <coreymon77> huh?
[02:50] <coreymon77> whats that supposed to mean
[02:50] <coreymon77> isnt the 11th stable release?
[02:50] <DaSkreech> KDE and Macs drop system requirements after the first few iterations
[02:51] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: my desktop is a dell box
[02:51] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: from 2002
[02:51] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: only my laptop is a mac
[02:52] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: my mac will be able to handle it easy
[02:53] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: :-)
[02:53] <coreymon77> its the dell box im not sure about
[03:08] <nixternal> you won't see a Kubuntu LTS possibility until 2010
[03:08] <nixternal> who runs LTS anyways?
[03:09] <Jucato> that is the question )
[03:09] <Jucato> :)
[03:09] <nixternal> Riddell: haven't uploaded ktorrent-kde4.0 just yet
[03:09] <Jucato> well, some individual users do... but not major rollouts of Kubuntu.. nothing Canonical can make money from :)
[03:09] <Vorian> nixternal: it needs to change
[03:09] <nixternal> Riddell: should every app have that magic kludge btw? this is the first I have seen it I think
[03:10] <nixternal> bah, I am to drunk tonight to do it possibly :p
[03:10] <Vorian> lololol
[03:10] <nixternal> to much magic developer juice
[03:10] <Jucato> you're two drunk? O.o
[03:10] <Jucato> hm... which reminds me :)
[03:10] <nixternal> ya, I went with 4 sakes and 4 sapporos
[03:10] <nixternal> 8x to many
[03:11] <Jucato> man!  I guess he is goning to live ;)
[03:18] <nixternal> hah, giuliani beat paul...about time...hell manchicken could be paul :p
[03:18] <nixternal> s/be/beat
[03:18] <nixternal> sorry, don't want to clump you in with him
[03:19] <manchicken> nixternal: I hope Fred Thompson is appropriately ashamed for having lost to a white nationalist.  He should have worked harder.
[03:19] <nixternal> oh lord, i see thompson just below "write-ins"
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:20] <nixternal> he still thinks the primaries are a citcom
[03:20] <manchicken> Nice.
[03:20] <yuriy> under Paul you could live free AND die
[03:20] <manchicken> nixternal: Where are you looking?
[03:20] <nixternal> fox news
[03:20] <Vorian> fox news ftw
[03:21] <Vorian> !
[03:21] <nixternal> everything else *.liberal is beat up by adaware :p
[03:21] <manchicken> That's where I'm watching, but only because they're doing well with their reporting.
[03:21] <nixternal> that's a first
[03:21] <Vorian> seriously, who would vote for McCain or Huckabee?
[03:21] <nixternal> I am voting for mickey mouse
[03:22] <manchicken> Well, nobody else is framing in their commercials with the poll results coming in even through the commercials.
[03:22] <nixternal> fox news went all espn like they do for auto racing :p
[03:22] <nixternal> speaking of auto racing, 1 more month until nascar
[03:23] <yuriy> Vorian: NH and iowa respectively apparently..
[03:23] <Vorian> yuriy: they don't count though :)
[03:23] <Vorian> ok
[03:23] <Vorian> 5 or 6 delegates
[03:24] <DaSkreech> nixternal: wouldn't want to front my Bro 700 dollars :)
[03:24] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I can pay you back by Weekend
[03:24] <nixternal> if I had $700 I would cut my wrists and die rich
[03:25] <Jucato> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pointers.png (intermission)
[03:25] <DaSkreech> nixternal: you really are drunk :-)
[03:25] <Jucato> nixternal: not before you transfer that $700 to me right? :)
[03:26] <Vorian> nixternal: incoming
[03:30] <Jucato> heh Vorian's recent blog post was the complete opposite of mine :)
[03:30]  * Jucato should learn to write one-liner posts :/
[03:30] <Vorian> :)
[03:31] <Vorian> yours was teh bestest tho Jucato :)
[03:31] <Jucato> haha
[04:04] <jjesse_> wow its crazy stormying out
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Here too
[04:04] <jjesse_> tornado warning
[04:04] <jjesse_> wait just a tornado watch
[04:04] <jjesse_> DaSkreech: where are you at?
[04:05] <Jucato> 83.6F... :/
[04:05] <DaSkreech> jjesse_: no where near you
[04:05] <jjesse_> ah :0
[04:51]  * Hobbsee comes back
[04:58] <ScottK> Sounds ominous
[04:59]  * Hobbsee DOOMs ScottK
[04:59] <ScottK> At least I'd get some rest.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> no you wouldn't.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> well, depends where you get doomed too
[10:04] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:48] <mhb> morning
[10:50] <Riddell> abend
[10:51] <mhb> Riddell: abend? wo bist du denn?
[10:52] <Riddell> hmm, you beat me
[10:52] <mhb> Riddell: are you overseas again?
[10:54] <mhb> Riddell: australia?
[10:57] <Riddell> not yet
[10:57] <Riddell> US next week
[10:58] <mhb> ah, the forbidden land
[10:58] <Riddell> yeah, I didn't give back my green immigration slip last time I was there, they may get grumpy and not let me in
[11:00] <mhb> it's the UDSprint, right? Enjoy it (and support Kubuntu as much as possible)!
[11:00] <Riddell> it's the KDE release event
[11:01] <mhb> ah
[11:01] <mhb> UDSprint elsewhere? or offline?
[11:01] <mhb> it says January 24th in the schedule, so I assumed
[11:02] <mhb> totally forgotten about the release event :o) anyway, good luck convincing people to try Kubuntu! Those that are not biased, that is :o)
[11:08] <Riddell> hardy sprint is in London in Canonical Towers
[11:09] <mhb> ah
[12:41] <hunger> Any idea what might break kwallet in hardy?
[12:50] <Riddell> hunger: it works for me
[12:51] <mhb> hunger: well
[12:51] <hunger> Riddell: I found a bugreport for feisty which describes my problem (#86168)
[12:51] <mhb> hunger: .kde/ -> .kde4/ home dir might be it
[12:52] <hunger> Unfortunately removing the kwalletrc which was given as a workaround there does not work for me:-(
[12:52] <mhb> bug 86168
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86168 in kdelibs "kded crashes in KWallet (forgotten KMail password)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86168
[12:52] <hunger> mhb: I never ran kde4 with my normal user.
[12:52] <mhb> hunger: hmm, yes, I had trouble with KDE4 & kwallet, but no crashing
[12:52] <mhb> this is something different
[12:53] <hunger> Deleting the ~/.kde/share/apps/kwallet fixes the issue. But then the passwords are gone just as they are now.
[12:54]  * hunger grumbles that he can not update the bugreport in LP.
[12:54] <hunger> The password is in kwallet.
[12:56] <Riddell> hunger: why can't you update the bug report?
[12:56] <Riddell> oh, I see
[13:02] <hunger> Riddell: The sympthoms are similar to those described here: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64671
[13:02] <ubotu> KDE bug 64671 in general "Kded uses 100% of the CPU on first Wallet access" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[13:03] <hunger> It is supposed to have been a qt bug.
[13:22] <Riddell> anyone able to test today's daily CD?  it doesn't work for me
[14:07] <bddebian> Heya
[14:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: who can I ask for a kubuntu-es ML?
[14:43] <mhb> jpatrick: canonical admins is my guess
[14:44] <jpatrick> mhb: yes, but I need someone's email to bug
[14:44] <jpatrick> :)
[14:45] <Jucato><EMAIL_ADDRESS>maybe?
[14:45] <mhb> well, you should request stuff at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:46] <Jucato> oh
[14:46] <mhb> I don't recommend it as you're gonna wait a long time before someone takes a look at it
[14:46] <mhb> a month at least
[14:48] <jpatrick> hmm
[14:53] <jpatrick> hi claydoh
[14:54] <jpatrick> jussi01: mate, that was jono, the Community manager (or something) like that for Ubuntu
[14:55] <claydoh> hi jpatrick
[14:55] <jussi01> jpatrick: he should know better... :P
[14:55]  * claydoh  is chatting on a 10 year old laptop from bed
[14:56] <jpatrick> jussi01: and you too :p
[14:56] <jussi01> LOL
[14:56]  * claydoh had knee surgery yesterday
[14:56]  * jussi01 goes home... too long at work...
[14:56] <Jucato> claydoh: oh... chatting and chatting at the same time... how are you feeling?
[14:57] <claydoh> fine actually
[14:57] <Jucato> why the surgery? something happened?
[14:57] <claydoh> tho this boat anchor thinlpad 770 is rather heavy
[14:57] <Jucato> O.o
[14:58] <claydoh> kneecap issues, tears and cycts in the cartilage
[14:58] <claydoh> nothing major,  was only out for about 2 hours total
[14:59] <Jucato> ouch :(
[14:59] <Jucato> still a surgery :)
[14:59] <claydoh> yeah needles an stuff
[15:01] <claydoh> but the persistent pain ive had the past few monts/year is already gone :)
[15:01] <Jucato> that's good :)
[15:01] <Jucato> sKalpel...
[15:02] <claydoh> they used a small scope and a small tool, very small cuts, and I have pictures of the inside of my knee lol
[15:03] <Jucato> O.o
[15:03] <Jucato> gRoss
[15:04] <jpatrick> Jucato: *G*ross
[15:04] <Jucato> :P
[15:05] <claydoh> not really
[15:05] <Jucato> it's more fun to say gRoss..or  gnome-ross
[15:27] <allee> Riddell: I'm rsyning the daily-live.   Is a virtualbox install okay or should it be real hardware?
[15:36] <Riddell> allee: anything thanks
[15:38] <allee> Riddell: vbox: life-sys booted and install copied 50 %  data, growing  55% ...
[15:43] <jpatrick> hmm, should I point jono in #kde-devel to the PPA archive?
[15:44] <Artemis_Fowl> When will the KDE4 packages be available? Friday?
[15:44] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: when KDE4 is released
[15:45] <Artemis_Fowl> The same day?
[15:45] <jpatrick> most probably (I guess)
[15:45] <Artemis_Fowl> nice...
[16:43]  * hunger grumbles about hardy.
[16:43] <hunger> aptitude crashes, kwallet is broken, gcc ICEs a lot, suspend is broken, ... really annoying.
[16:47] <hunger> monotone does not work anymore either:-(
[17:02] <amachu> Riddell: hi
[17:11] <Riddell> allee: please report on the iso testing site
[17:20] <TheInfinity> hmm
[17:34] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you please process bug 181558
[17:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181558 in gutsy-backports "Please backport kdmtheme (1.2.2-0ubuntu1) from Hardy" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181558
[17:45] <allee> Riddell: sorry was busy.   URL?  in wiki Testing/ISO seem to be about gutsy
[17:46] <allee> ah google suggests iso.qa.u.c
[18:29] <Riddell> allee: that's the one
[18:47] <Serega> hi all
[18:48] <jpatrick> Serega: /topic
[18:48] <jpatrick> hi ;)
[18:48] <Serega> :)
[18:48] <Serega> nice topic
[18:48] <Serega> as usual
[19:26] <articpenguin3800> if dual boot hardy and gutsy is it ok to give hardy my /home too?
[19:28] <fdoving> articpenguin3800: can be, but i won't suggest it, as newer versions of apps may upgrade the configfiles.
[19:28] <articpenguin3800> ok i will just copy the /home files to the hardy partition then =)
[19:29] <fdoving> i would rather recommend having a separate mountpoint for your gutsy-home.
[19:29] <fdoving> yep.
[19:29] <fdoving> or mount your gutsy-home to /home/username/gutsy - for example.
[19:30] <articpenguin3800> or /home/john/hardy
[19:51] <tlayton> anybody having problems with pidgin on hardy? i get random crashes and it doesn't show in the tray
[19:52] <tlayton> i've tried both the hardy repo version (2.2) and a ppa version (2.3.1)
[19:53] <tlayton> oops, forgot to mention, this is in KDE 4, doesn't happen in KDE 3
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Crashes/Freezes/irreconcilable stoppages suck
[20:01] <davmor2> Riddell:  which needs testing most 32bit or 64bit?
[20:04] <allee> Riddell: can you kick a build of libkdcraw on hppa ia64 i386 and amd64?   IMHO that not likdcraw fault: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.    or   E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[20:05] <Riddell> davmor2: everything!
[20:06] <Riddell> davmor2: I did 32 bit desktop
[20:06] <davmor2> :D don't know if I got that long ;)
[20:06] <allee> davmor2: then 64 bit ;)
[20:07] <davmor2> I'll start with 64 and move on to 32 bit alt or live as a preference?
[20:07] <Riddell> I usually test live first
[20:08] <davmor2> np
[20:08] <Riddell> since if something is horribly broken you may not have to wipe your hard disk to find out
[20:08] <davmor2> I got spare test machines now :)
[20:08] <allee> ... or whatever untested at: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[20:09] <davmor2> allee: check out http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/subscriptions and see which have davmor2 in :)
[20:12] <allee> davmor2: looks like you have too much free time ;)
[20:12] <TheInfinity> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,grossbild-1064101-527737,00.html <-- wie ekelig.
[20:12] <TheInfinity> arghj sorry
[20:12] <TheInfinity> wrong channel ;)
[20:13] <TheInfinity> here i wanted to ask if somebody tried hardy in a vm with vmware software
[20:13] <TheInfinity> because i get a compile error
[20:13] <TheInfinity> and this makes testing hardy more diificult ;)
[20:13] <TheInfinity> and also the question if its known that kde4 is completly broken
[20:14] <davmor2> allee: that's not the time killer it's burning the 22 cd images to cd-rw's that's the killer :)
[20:15] <davmor2> anybody know of a cd burner that can do it in half the time please god let me know ;)
[20:39] <kwwii> Riddell: did you see the mail aobut banners on ev-marketing?
[20:39] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume that we want a kubuntu banner to be on display somewhere?
[20:45] <davmor2> Riddell 64bit live installing seems okay on install will have a look at the live once it's finished :)
[20:46] <davmor2> Riddell: spoke to soon :( I still get the message pop up saying a new medium has been detected once the hard-drive has been formatted.
[20:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I will miss Basket
[20:48] <Riddell> davmor2: in virtual machine?
[20:49] <Riddell> kwwii: no, I'm not on ev-marketing, what does it say?
[20:49] <davmor2> no real
[20:49] <davmor2> Riddell:^^ I only test on real machines :)
[20:53] <smarter> does Hardy still use /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings ?
[20:54] <smarter> Many users have troubles changing there wallpaper/theme since kubuntu use /etc/default/kdm.d
[20:54] <smarter> (see Bug #132723 )
[20:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723
[20:57] <jpatrick> our theme rocks
[20:57] <smarter> jpatrick: I agree, but that's not a reason to force people to use it ;)
[20:58] <jpatrick> smarter: it's our distro
[20:58]  * jpatrick ducks
[20:59] <smarter> "KDE customization: WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU" ^^'
[21:01] <smarter> So bug #132723 is not a bug but a feature? :P
[21:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723
[21:16] <Riddell> smarter: there's probably a bug there, although I'm not clear what it is
[21:17] <smarter> Riddell: but why do we use /etc/default/kdm.d ?
[21:19] <Riddell> smarter: it lets us customise the kdm settings without editing a config file (which causes unnecessary and confusing questions when upgrading)
[21:20] <Riddell> it also should allow users to make their own changes, if it doesn't that is indeed a bug
[21:21] <smarter> Riddell: the kcm module to change kdm background still use kdmrc
[21:21] <smarter> so if you change it here, /etc/init.d/kdm does weird things
[21:21] <smarter> and people reported that kdmtheme doesn't work at all
[21:21] <Riddell> it should just see that it's changed and not overwrite it
[21:22] <davmor2> Riddell: why is there so much stuff in lost and found?
[21:22] <smarter> Riddell: Yes but it test if the theme or the background is changed, and it assume that if you changed the background, you changed the theme
[21:22] <smarter> so if you change the background you get the default ugly kde3 theme
[21:23] <smarter> and it's very confusing for users
[21:23] <Riddell> davmor2: xdg menu sillyness, it'll be fixable
[21:23] <Riddell> smarter: that'll be a bug then :)
[21:24] <davmor2> You forgot the Honest guvnor ;)
[21:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: everything ok in #kubuntu-es?
[21:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: more or less
[21:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: having my worse day as op
[21:33] <jpatrick> oh, looks like something's wrong
[21:34] <jpatrick> err, I'm putting +m for a while :\
[21:35] <jpatrick> let things cool down for a while
[21:49] <davmor2> Riddell: is Kub using pulse now? if so is there any chance of toning it down a bit by default..... It near blew my bloody ears off ;)
[21:50] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's not
[21:50] <davmor2> oh it's just loud then :)
[21:52] <davmor2> Riddell:  most things seem to be working okay anyway install was okay and it seems a bit faster than gutsy too
[21:52] <jpatrick> davmor2: you using amarok?
[21:53] <Longfield> hello here. I've been a Kubuntu user for a while and with KDE4 coming, I would like to help the distro I use. I'm a Computer Engineer, and I have experience in both C++ and pyhton, and QT too (not with python bindings yet) ... where would be my help appreciated ?
[21:54] <davmor2> jpatrick: no, I have but it was the system login sound that woke me up
[21:54] <jpatrick> davmor2: ha right
[21:54] <jpatrick> Longfield: of course!
[21:57] <jpatrick> Longfield: we need help porting the apps to KDE4 right now
[21:57] <Longfield> jpatrick: ok, good, maybe you could point me to something specific where I could start off ?
[21:58] <jpatrick> Longfield: I'm not sure, maybe mhb can help you
[21:59] <bobofett> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[21:59] <bobofett> Read that page if you have not.
[21:59] <bobofett> Register for Launchpad if you have not.
[22:00] <bobofett> And lots of decent links there on that page I just gave you to get you started....I'm just starting with trying to help myself, but I wouldn't call myself a developer by any stretch of the imagination...Just testing and whatever I can do along the way.
[22:00] <nosrednaekim> Longfield: AFAIK, the major thing is porting kde3 systemsettings modules to KDE4
[22:01] <Longfield> bobofett: thanks for the pointer ...
[22:01] <bobofett> hey I that's all I know too...lol The one thing I could pretend to help with...haha
[22:05] <mhb> hubba wa?
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> mhb: we have a new slave for you.... introducing Longfield
[22:06] <mhb> hello Longfield
[22:06] <Longfield> hey mhb
[22:08] <mhb> Longfield: your help would be appreciated anywhere
[22:09] <mhb> Longfield: we are currently very much lacking on good system configuration tools ... that means the GUIs are often too complex and there is bit rot all over them
[22:10] <mhb> (those are usually written in Python, they're called Guidance configuration tools)
[22:10] <Longfield> like guidance-power-manager for instance ?
[22:11] <mhb> Longfield: yes and no. g-p-m was a part of the Guidance set, but KDE4 is going to have a new power manager that should be Good Enough for us to use
[22:11] <mhb> sebas: ^^ how's the KDE4 power manager, by the way?
[22:11] <mhb> Longfield: so guidance-power-manager is doomed to die of old age.
[22:12] <Longfield> OK, but I seen what you mean in general
[22:12] <mhb> Longfield: but they are tools like "mountconfig", "displayconfig" and "userconfig" that really need care
[22:12] <mhb> first of all, they're not ported to Qt4 yet
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> mhb: its terrible feature wise... pretty much only battery life(unless you aren't talking about the default plasmoid)
[22:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I'm talking about the g-p-m replacement sebas promised :o)
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok
[22:14] <Longfield> so one first step could be to port them to port one of them to at least qt4 ?
[22:14] <sebas> mhb: No progress, other than the plasmoid
[22:14] <mhb> Longfield: right
[22:15] <mhb> Longfield: that's one of the tasks Kubuntu really needs,
[22:16] <Longfield> good. Could you just tell me quickly where I can find some information about this Guidance set, and their codebase ?
[22:16] <mhb> Longfield: the good thing is that Kubuntu is the only KDE distribution that tries hard to integrate its configuration tools into KDE upstream = so all projects can easily benefit from them
[22:16] <mhb> Longfield: sure
[22:16] <mhb> Longfield: the easiest way is "apt-get source kde-guidance
[22:16] <mhb> "
[22:18] <sebas> Longfield: svn+ssh://svn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance
[22:19] <davmor2> Riddell: mystery new device window appears on 32 bit too :)
[22:24] <Longfield> There are 6 guidance tools (display, mount, power, service, user and wine) and power is aimed to disappear because it should be included in KDE4, correct ?
[22:24] <mhb> right
[22:31] <davmor2> allee: you about still?
[22:34] <davmor2> Riddell: 64bit Alt dies trying to install language files Red Screen Of Death :)
[22:34] <Riddell> uh oh
[22:35] <davmor2> do you want me to try without installing language packs?
[22:36] <davmor2> got a feeling it is going to be a key issue
[22:37] <Riddell> davmor2: are there any handy log files to say what the problem is?
[22:37] <Riddell> it could just be a bad CD burn, maybe try a new CD?
[22:39] <davmor2> Riddell: it was running fine to the point where it asks if you want to download language packs
[22:40] <davmor2> I'll try it again and see :)
[22:40] <Riddell> davmor2: what language are you installing in?
[22:40] <Riddell> it shouldn't need to download anything if you're using English
[22:40] <davmor2> english
[22:40] <Riddell> spooky
[22:41] <davmor2> just running check cd
[22:47] <mhb> Riddell: are python-kde4 libraries in the Gutsy KDE4 repositories?
[22:47] <mhb> or anyone
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yes
[22:47] <Riddell> mhb: I think stdin put them in the ppa
[22:48] <davmor2> Riddell: Disc checks out on both md5sum and running check disk
[22:48] <Riddell> davmor2: a problem in d-i should affect all variants
[22:49] <Riddell> davmor2: noticed any ubuntu desktop testers complaining?
[22:50] <davmor2> don't think they have been tested yet.  I've not been here all day although I will be tomorrow :)
[22:50] <Riddell> I didn't see any reports on isotesting
[22:51] <davmor2> Riddell: there's no alt tests done yet
[22:55] <davmor2> Riddell: died again this time selecting no don't download any laguages
[22:56] <Riddell> so it might be a problem in whatever follows the languages bit
[22:56] <Riddell> davmor2: might be worth testing an ubuntu desktop CD, see if it has the same issue
[22:57] <Riddell> I'm afraid my machine is tied up just now
[22:58] <davmor2> Riddell: bunch of error on Ctrl+Alt+F4.  Can't find package language-pack-en then further down it says can't find task minimal and can't find task standard
[23:00] <Riddell> uh oh
[23:01] <davmor2> Riddell:  I got to go unfortunately.  I can try them all tomorrow but that's another day away.
[23:01] <davmor2> posted to testing to try and get someone else to try
[23:01] <Riddell> davmor2: ok, thanks for your help
[23:02] <davmor2> np I'll be back tomorrow morning
[23:02] <Longfield> I cannot install python-kde4 under gutsy, it wants want install kdebase-runtime-bin but cannot, any clue what it is ?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> Longfield: why can't it?
[23:03] <stdin> Longfield: I think it'll need rebuilding against the new kde4libs et all
[23:04] <Longfield> stdin: yeah, it could be a version problem (not good version that is packaged ..)
[23:05] <mhb> stdin: how soon can we expect a sane version to be in the repos?
[23:06] <stdin> around when 4.0.0 is out
[23:06] <mhb> stdin: thank you
[23:07] <stdin> when 4.0.0 comes out it'll be easier to maintain a package like that, less of a moving target
[23:08] <Longfield> thank you stdin ... I can easily understand that's it's complicated to keep all these different package versions in sync !
[23:10] <allee> dav/usr/share/pycentral/python-zodb/site-packages/ZEO/mkzeoinst.pyq:jjjj:qqq
[23:10] <allee> upps sorry


[00:10] <nibalizer> hi
[01:14] <c_smith> anyone here know who it was from linbit that occasionally comes to the LoCo's events (at least did in the past)
[01:15] <c_smith> nvm, found it.
[01:15] <c_smith> Brian_H, if you ever need to ask a question of me, go ahead and ask it, like I said, I'll usually get back to you when I'm next on if I'm not on right then


[00:08] <george_e> ...ah - it works now.
[00:09] <george_e> So I guess the lesson becomes - don't use the dev. releases of Juju if you're looking for stability.


[03:03] <george_e> Is this the place to ask questions about Unity development?
[03:45] <RAOF> george_e: Yes.
[03:45] <george_e> RAOF: Great! Does Unity use Glib's DBus API?
[03:46] <RAOF> I believe so, but I'm not familiar with the code.
[03:47]  * george_e is reading through the code...
[04:19] <TheMuso> I thought compiz had a dbus plugin, and that gets used...
[04:26] <george_e> TheMuso: Oh, it does? I didn't realize that.
[04:27] <TheMuso> george_e: I don't know for sure.
[05:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:11] <thumper> TheMuso, george_e: yes unity uses glib dbus AFAIK
[06:11] <george_e> thumper: Thank you.
[06:11] <george_e> Are you familiar with DBus at all?
[06:11] <thumper> no
[06:12] <thumper> I'd like to be, but am not at the moment
[06:17] <george_e> Me too :) I ran into a bit of a problem and I don't know where to ask for help.
[07:02] <oSoMoN> good morning
[07:19] <MacSlow> greetings everybody
[08:49] <andyrock> gord, around?
[08:50] <gord> andyrock, hey hey
[08:50] <andyrock> i cannot compile unity, i got this error
[08:50] <andyrock> n file included from /home/andyrock/Desktop/unity/tests/TestBGHash.cpp:24:0:
[08:50] <andyrock> /home/andyrock/Desktop/unity/tests/../plugins/unityshell/src/BGHash.h:25:43: fatal error: unity-misc/gnome-bg-slideshow.h: No such file or directory
[08:50] <andyrock> compilation terminated.
[08:50] <andyrock> make[2]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-bg-hash.dir/TestBGHash.cpp.o] Error 1
[08:50] <andyrock> make[1]: *** [tests/CMakeFiles/test-bg-hash.dir/all] Error 2
[08:50] <andyrock> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[08:51] <gord> andyrock, right yeah you need the latest libunity-misc from lp:libunity-misc, i sent a mail to ayatana-dev explaining :)
[08:51] <andyrock> gord, doh :) i forgot it... -.-
[09:08] <andyrock> gord, thx btw :)
[09:09] <ephan> Does anybody know where I can find indicator3-0.4? I need it for Unity it seems
[09:09] <ephan> oh wait, libindicator I'll compile, thanks eitherway
[09:34] <gord> andyrock, np :)
[09:34] <andyrock> gord, dash background is too light IMHO :)
[09:35] <gord> andyrock, waiting on a blur from jay, it will look good in the end
[09:37] <andyrock> gord, dinamic or static blur?
[09:37] <gord> andyrock, not sure yet :) waiting on him, hopefully dynamic but there were a few issues last i checked
[11:57] <c10ud> jcastro, sorry for pinging, but my slave^H fellow developer sbte made a patch for indicator-status-provider-emesene, any chance someone can apply it and push an updated package? see bug #817504 (i think i should ask Ken, but anyway, you know better :))
[12:09] <Trevinho> c10ud: https://bugs.launchpad.net/emesene/+bug/817504/comments/3 ;)
[12:10] <c10ud> sbte, ^
[12:13] <c10ud> Trevinho, thanks for the small tut btw
[12:17] <sbte> Trevinho, thanks
[12:29] <dbarth>  /away
[12:30] <sbte> Trevinho, done
[13:16] <Trevinho> sbte, c10ud  Cool! :)
[13:23] <fhd> I'm trying to build unity-2d on natty, but cmake says I'm missing "dconf-qt". Yet there is no package with that name. Where can I get it?
[13:25] <andyrock> fhd, try sudo apt-get install libdconf-qt-dev
[13:25] <fhd> andyrock: There is no such package, do I need to add an apt repository?
[13:25] <andyrock> fhd,  natty or oneiric?
[13:26] <fhd> andyrock: natty
[13:26] <fhd> andyrock: I'm following this guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity2D
[13:26] <andyrock> fhd, well i think it is only in oneiric
[13:26] <Trevinho> fhd: I think that you should use an older branch of unity-2d if you want to compile it in natty
[13:27] <fhd> Trevinho: Well, I'd like to contribute a bit, so I guess I'd be best of modifying the latest version, right?
[13:28] <andyrock> fhd, install oneiric in vbox then :)
[13:28] <ephan> fhd, try sudo apt-get source unity
[13:28] <fhd> ephan: OK
[13:28] <andyrock> fhd, ephan it won't work
[13:29] <ephan> I personally can't build Unity on Natty because https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/817949
[13:29] <ephan> andyrock, I personally managed to install all packages neede but this one, libbafm
[13:29] <ephan> I need Oneiric to compile Unity?
[13:30] <andyrock> ephan, if you want to compile unity without going crazy... yes
[13:30] <ephan> andyrock, yeah I went crazy this morning, I built dozens of packages from source and then the last one I needed doesn't work
[13:31] <andyrock> ephan, or you should install/build all dependencies
[13:31] <fhd> Okay, I guess I can pick a bug that should be fixed and work with an old branch, eh?
[13:32] <fhd> I don't really want to go to Oneiric yet
[13:32] <API> andyrock, unity works fine on a vbox?
[13:32] <API> ah
[13:32] <API> you are talking about unity2d
[13:32] <andyrock> API, i know that unity works fine on vbox... Trevinho could you confirm it?
[13:32] <ephan> fhd, I don't think it's even recommended to install Alpha 2 on real hardware
[13:33] <API> I'm having a lot of problems with unity, not sure if related to being on a 64 bit machine, I would like to test it with a 32bit machine (so a vbox)
[13:33] <andyrock> fhd ephan , install on vbox
[13:34] <ephan> andyrock, I personally run it through USB Drive on another comp, but that also works
[13:34] <sbte> ephan, try building without -Werror
[13:34] <ephan> sbte, when using Oneiric it works
[13:35] <ephan> gotta logout/login, Ubuntu 11.04 bug -.-
[13:35] <sbte> ephan, sure, but if you want to build bamf on natty, it probably works if you compile without -Werror
[13:35] <ephan> sbte, I still need all the packages
[13:36] <ephan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bamf/+bug/817949 I need to compile bafm to get libbafm, and I get error
[13:36] <fhd> Sorry, but I'm new to Ubuntu development: Where can I see in which versions a bug should be fixed?
[13:36] <sbte> ephan, yes, and if you compile it without -Werror it will work
[13:36] <ephan> oh you mean compile bfam without -Werror or Unity?
[13:36] <sbte> because the build fails because of a warning turned into an error
[13:37] <sbte> ephan, bfam
[13:37] <ephan> ah thanks sbte
[13:37] <ephan> I read that "Warnings treated as errors"
[13:38] <andyrock> fhd, you have not dconf-qt-dev
[13:38] <andyrock> right?
[13:38] <andyrock> but do you have dconf-qt?
[13:39] <ephan> "compile it without -Werror it will work" sbte, I had never heard of that, how does that work?
[13:41] <fhd> andyrock: Nope, there is no package with "dconf-qt" in its name in natty
[13:41] <ephan> fhd, compile from source perhaps
[13:41] <andyrock> fhd, you can find it in unity2d daily build ppa
[13:42] <sbte> ephan, configure with --disable-werror I think, but I'm not sure
[13:42] <ephan> I did try "./configure --disable-Werror", but I'm searching for some information online
[13:42] <sbte> ephan, haven't done C in ages
[13:42] <ephan> heh
[13:43] <fhd> ephan, andyrock: I'm actually wondering if I do need the latest version of unity-2d. What if I fix a bug, wouldn't that patch make it into natty?
[13:44] <fhd> ephan, andyrock: Well, I guess I would have to merge it into the latest version at some point, so I might as well work with the latest source.
[13:45] <andyrock> fhd, i think not (maybe i am wrong) but ubuntu needs a src expection, etc
[13:45] <fhd> andyrock: src expection?
[13:45] <andyrock> fhd, a patch that works with old code could not work with new code
[13:45] <andyrock> fhd, sorry... sru ex...
[13:45] <fhd> andyrock: Yeah
[13:46] <Trevinho> andyrock: yes, unity works in Vbox, BUT, I don't upgraded to latest nux
[13:46] <Trevinho> since it wasn't working
[13:47] <fhd> andyrock: And with vbox you mean virtualbox?
[13:47] <andyrock> ok thx... API ^^^
[13:47] <andyrock> fhd, yeah
[13:47] <Trevinho> yes VirtualBox
[13:47] <Trevinho> I'm using oneiric in VBox and it works
[13:47] <fhd> andyrock: Don't think this would make development easier on my cute little netbook
[13:48] <Trevinho> but few days ago I upgraded nux to latest commits and it wasn't working
[13:48] <fhd> But that's apparently the typical development setup?
[13:48] <Trevinho> I don't know if was vbox by the way
[13:48] <andyrock> fhd, do you want to develop on a little netbook? :P
[13:48] <fhd> andyrock: Yeah, on the train. It's not that bad, I even compiled Chromium on it :)
[13:49] <andyrock> fhd, i develop unity on real hardware on a real partition
[13:49] <fhd> andyrock: I've got a baby at home, so if I want to hack on stuff, it's on the train
[13:49] <fhd> andyrock: Well, I guess I have enough space for another ubuntu installation.
[13:50] <andyrock> fhd, greeting :)
[13:50] <andyrock> for the baby... :)
[13:50] <fhd> andyrock: :)
[13:53] <fhd> andyrock: What's the typical way to install the latest Ubuntu for development purposes. A snapshot CD or something more geeky?
[13:54] <ephan> I don't think it makes any difference
[13:54] <andyrock> fhd, daily build should be good
[13:54] <fhd> andyrock: Right, I can just apt-get upgrade then
[13:54] <fhd> andyrock: Okay, thanks for your help, that's what I'll do then
[13:55] <andyrock> fhd, yw
[13:57] <jcastro> woo a backlog fix: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/fix-783434/+merge/69713
[13:57] <jcastro> njpatel: find me a reviewer!
[13:58] <ephan> good jcastro
[13:59] <njpatel> jcastro, been waiting for that one for some time :) DBO needs to review it
[14:00] <jcastro> https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/unity/fix-742664-trunk/+merge/69751
[14:00] <jcastro> andyrock: nice dude!
[14:00] <jcastro> njpatel: there's that community review thing in launchpad.
[14:01] <jcastro> that's pretty awesome
[14:02] <andyrock> jcastro, thx :) please force DBO to solve dnd problem in nux :)
[14:02] <Trevinho> jcastro: I hope to push another backlog fix soon
[14:02] <Trevinho> ;)
[14:03] <jcastro> woo
[14:03] <ephan> oh this is just a great fix
[14:04] <Trevinho> Oh God... The cc1plus compiler is really loving to eat my memory! :P
[14:25] <kenvandine> ronoc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/654526/
[14:27] <ronoc> kenvandine, thanks
[14:28] <ronoc> kenvandine, hmmm, must be missing a dependency in the pkgconfig
[14:29] <ronoc> kenvandine, thats part of gtk3
[14:29] <kenvandine> right
[14:29] <ronoc> were you compiling for 2
[14:30] <kenvandine> the package builds both
[14:30] <ronoc> I will wrap the necessaries
[14:30] <kenvandine> thx
[14:30] <ronoc> and resubmit
[14:30] <kenvandine> just add a .1
[14:30] <ronoc> kenvandine, will do
[14:30] <kenvandine> also make sure you are building with -Werror
[14:30] <kenvandine> a bunch of those are simple fixes
[14:31] <ronoc> kenvandine, I do except for the service which because of valac needs to have warnings turned off
[14:31] <ronoc> ill try again though its been a while
[14:31] <kenvandine> ok
[14:31] <kenvandine> the package builds with -Werror
[14:31] <kenvandine> so it'll fail in the package
[14:31] <ronoc> kenvandine, ok, ill take a look
[14:32] <kenvandine> thx
[14:32] <lucazade> Hi! indicator-power is visible in Unity-3D but not in Unity-2D, is this a known issue?
[14:41] <lucazade> filed bug 818086
[14:42] <andyrock> JohnLea_, around=
[14:42] <andyrock> ?
[14:42] <Trevinho> Mh, the underscore doesn't meen anything good! :)
[14:42] <andyrock> Trevinho, sometimes i forgot to delete it
[14:42] <andyrock> :)
[14:43] <Trevinho> You're a n00b :)
[14:44] <JohnLea_> andyrock; pong
[14:45] <andyrock> JohnLea_, great! :) Trevinho needs you
[14:45] <ephan> hm, may I know for how long you guys have been Ubuntu Developers?
[14:46] <andyrock> ephan, i am an unity contributor since about six month (or more, i don't know)
[14:46] <JohnLea_> Trevinho; hyia, how can I help?
[14:47] <ephan> andyrock, you started with the bitesize campaign? I think it was 6 months ago
[14:48] <andyrock> ephan, my first patch was not bitesize but yes, i was and am a bitesize one!
[14:48] <Trevinho> JohnLea_: I've made the fix for bug #690143
[14:48] <JohnLea_> Trevinho; great!
[14:49] <Trevinho> however I'd like to show the border too of an icon
[14:49] <Trevinho> show the bug attachments
[14:49] <Trevinho> tell me if you like that or if I should use what you already proposed
[14:49] <ephan> andyrock, thanks, I'm about to start with bitesize, but still fighting the source for now :)
[14:50] <andyrock> ephan, jcastro will be glad to receive you... :)
[14:52] <ephan> andyrock, not sure if it'll be so soon. I only know GTK for a few months
[14:53] <Trevinho> JohnLea: did you see that?
[14:53] <andyrock> ephan, here you will learn a lot of things... have fun
[14:53] <JohnLea> Trevinho; could you send us a mockup of this effect when tile illumination is always on?  Always on is our default setting, and I would have to get this change agreed by a couple of people.  To agree they will have to make a judgement on how this effect works combined with the 'always on' tile illumination setting.
[14:53] <JohnLea> Trevinho; yes, I've see the mockups attached to the bug, thx
[14:54] <Trevinho> They're not mokcups actually
[14:54] <Trevinho> it's running unity :)
[14:54] <JohnLea> cool ;-)
[14:54] <JohnLea> a few screengrabs with the 'always on' setting then
[14:54] <Trevinho> However according to the spec you gave the icon illumination was off
[14:55] <JohnLea> woops, must be a out of date reference; could you point me to it so I can double check?
[14:55] <Trevinho> JohnLea: I'm basing on the mockup you posted
[14:56] <Trevinho> JohnLea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/690143/+attachment/2162568/+files/launcher_window_on_other_workspace.png
[14:56] <JohnLea> atm, by default tile illumination is always on.  This can be changed in ccsm though
[14:56] <Trevinho> YEs, but in that mockup the illumination was on
[14:56] <Trevinho> but not for that icon
[14:56] <Trevinho> So I used that as reference
[14:57] <Trevinho> If the illumination must be always on or just follow the ccsm settings I can revert the change...
[14:57] <JohnLea> yes, that mockup is a bit out of date
[14:57] <JohnLea> sorry
[14:57] <JohnLea> re. illumination
[14:58] <JohnLea> The default setting is 'backlight always on'.  However using ccsm it can be set to 'backlight toggles'
[14:58] <Trevinho> Ok...
[14:59] <Trevinho> So, you want that the illumination of the non-viewable windows follows the settings too?
[14:59] <JohnLea> actually, with both settings if the app is running (on any workspace) it will be illuminated
[14:59] <Trevinho> yes
[14:59] <Trevinho> You just want to change the icon indicator, though
[15:00] <Trevinho> Ok... Because I guess that in the case you set the illumination-toggle I guess that this solution could be better
[15:01] <JohnLea> yes, that change is signed off and can go is straight away.  However the side illumination is also a nice idea, but needs with work with tile illumination, and will also need to be signed off by a few people before it can go in.  I do like it though
[15:01] <JohnLea> 'in' not 'is' ^
[15:04] <andyrock> didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/815032 bitsize bug?
[15:05] <Trevinho> Mh, ok JohnLea ... So... I will push the commit with the side-illumination enabled *only* when the "backlight always on" setting is disabled... If the design team approves it it will be merged, otherwise I'll adapt it to your decision.
[15:06] <didrocks> andyrock: I think it can be one, right (mid-size one as the code in Launcher.cpp isn't trivial)
[15:06] <andyrock> didrocks, i know it too well :)
[15:07] <didrocks> andyrock: so for you, I guess, there will be no issue :)
[15:07] <andyrock> i'm adding it to unity contributors hacker...
[15:07] <didrocks> ok, I guess you can give the necessary guidance
[15:07] <JohnLea> Trevinho; even better, decouple it from the existing backlight illumination settings and provide a new option in the CCSM menu titled "Backlight toggles with side illumination".  This would make it easy to further evaluate and test this feature.
[15:08] <andyrock> didrocks, it should be an alpha value hidden in the nux draw function
[15:08] <JohnLea> Trevinho; then this setting could be added to the list of items to be tested in the next round of user testing
[15:09] <didrocks> andyrock: that or the blending I would say in the main launcher draw function
[15:09] <JohnLea> Trevinho; (for clarity, this would be a new option inside the CCSM "Backlight Mode" menu)
[15:10] <andyrock> didrocks, o
[15:10] <andyrock> *ok
[15:10] <Trevinho> Ok, I got it JohnLea
[15:10] <JohnLea> Trevinho; cool, thx! ;-)
[15:10] <didrocks> andyrock: thanks! :)
[15:10] <Trevinho> But... JohnLea... the problem is.... With that option the side illumination should be used always?
[15:10] <andyrock> didrocks, thx you
[15:10] <Trevinho> or only for not-visible windows?
[15:13] <JohnLea> Trevinho; this new option (disabled by default)  is exactly what you have already built if I understand correctly, e.g. 'Backlight Toggles' for running apps only on the current workspace, with side lighting for apps running on other workspaces.  Is my understanding correct?
[15:14] <Trevinho> Yes
[15:15] <Trevinho> But the name of the option could lead to a confusion... I mean, I know it's too long but it should be "Backlight toggles with side illumination on windows on other viewports" :P
[15:18] <JohnLea> Trevinho; ;-)  how about "Backlight and side illumination toggles"?
[15:18] <Trevinho> Ehehe... Yes, I would have done that, but I said you for clarifying :)
[15:53] <jono> DBO, heya, pal, in my new alt tab I don't see the tiles on the left and right curve into 3D, they are all flat - is that to be expected?
[15:53] <DBO> jono, they only curve if there is not enough room
[15:54] <jono> DBO ahhh! makes sense
[15:54]  * jono loads more apps
[15:54] <jono> lol
[15:58] <andyrock> jcastro, i have added https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/815032 to unity-community-hackers
[15:59] <andyrock> and i have added some more information, is it ok?
[15:59] <jcastro> wow
[15:59] <jcastro> I didn't even know we could do that
[16:03] <andyrock> jcastro, if nobody do it, i will fix it. i've other more important bugs to solve!
[16:04] <jcastro> heh
[16:04] <didrocks> jono: not sure you noticed my twit this week, but: http://twitter.com/#!/leDidRocks/status/95371439624032256
[16:05] <jono> didrocks, sorry, pal, I did, I was just on the road - thanks so much!
[16:05] <didrocks> jono: yw, keep me updated about your experience! :)
[16:05] <jono> didrocks, will do!
[16:06] <jono> didrocks, speaking of which, are you familiar with a black box painting when you log into Unity? the black box appears where the keyring password window should be
[16:07] <didrocks> jono: oh? didn't get that one, but there are known compiz issue taking too much memory and preparing a lot of things no startup (images), maybe you see one appearing. Tell me if after next compiz update (on Monday normally) you still get it
[16:08] <jono> didrocks, sounds good, I am filing a bug now, will keep you updated
[16:08] <didrocks> jono: excellent, thanks!
[16:13] <jono> didrocks, this is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/818142
[16:13] <didrocks> jono: I'll affect compiz as well
[16:14] <jono> thanks didrocks
[16:48] <ephan> My Unity version is "unity 3.8.16". Should the latest one (4.4.0) be installed on Natty's?
[17:01] <tedg> ephan, The latest Unity is really more targeted at Oneiric.  It may be backportable, but I'm not sure anyone is looking at that.
[17:02] <ephan> I was wondering
[17:02] <ephan> thanks tedg
[17:49] <jcastro> cdbs: around?
[18:21] <ephan> Guys, is there a way to change the order of the buttons in maximized frames on Unity (latest version)? The Close, Minimize,Maximize buttons
[19:30] <Trevinho> jcastro: here you are the merge I was talking you about: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/fix-690143/+merge/69849 ;)
[19:30] <jcastro> reading
[19:31] <jcastro> ooh, screenshots too!
[19:31] <Trevinho> eheh :)
[19:31] <jcastro> wow, that looks pretty ninja
[19:32] <ephan> oh sweet
[19:35] <Trevinho> jcastro: however that screen is valid just using the last option...
[19:53] <ephan> Will "gnome-search-tool" be removed now that Unity has a launcher that can also search?
[20:28] <jono> kenvandine, ping?
[20:30] <kenvandine> jono, pong
[20:30] <jono> kenvandine, quick q
[20:30] <jono> I am finding that I often need to post tweets to multiple accounts
[20:30] <jono> is this something gwibber is planning on supporting?
[20:31] <kenvandine> gwibber has always supported that...
[20:31] <kenvandine> ??
[20:31] <jcastro> ephan: you still need the search tool
[20:31] <jcastro> ephan: unity uses zeitgeist so it only indexes files you've used
[20:31] <jcastro> there's no way to say, invoke the dash, do a search and have it search every file in a directory or whatever
[20:53] <ephan> thanks jcastro I was just wondering, since Ubuntu 11.10 is having space problems (or so I heard)
[20:54] <ephan> I'll move 11.10 when Alpha 3 is released so I can start helping more
[20:55] <jcastro> yeah hopefully it won't be so broken
[20:55] <jcastro> I'm having compiz issues the past few days
[20:56] <ephan> I expected that, moving to GTK3 is a big step IMO


[19:01] <bobweaver> gezz passports are not cheap after my 2nd attempt I will have spent over $420.00 USD
[19:02] <bobweaver> Getting frugal with it. nah nah nah nah nah nah nah ... nah nah nah nah nah nah .. getting frugal with it
[19:02] <tgm4883> bobweaver, denied again?
[19:03] <bobweaver> nope
[19:03] <bobweaver> apponment is for tomorrow
[19:03] <tgm4883> ah
[19:03] <bobweaver> 140 for te 1st denial
[19:05] <bobweaver> the *     so  140(old) +  140 +25 +60 +20 +20 + 55(new birth certificate)     = 460.00 USD
[19:05] <tgm4883> bobweaver, so you have an appointment with someone now?
[19:05] <bobweaver> that is 2 months rent for bobby
[19:06] <bobweaver> yeah I set it up when getting birth certificate
[19:06] <bobweaver> shit I forgot photos
[19:06] <bobweaver> add 17 usd
[19:06] <bobweaver> 477.00 USD
[19:08] <bobweaver> bodhi_zaren from the forums said that he mad his with gimp though maybe I can do that and save the 17 usd that is a meal
[19:08] <tgm4883> yea you can bring your own photo
[19:08] <tgm4883> just meet the requirements they want
[19:29] <jhodapp> bobweaver, why did you get denied the first time?
[19:30] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  birth certificate had rips in it. it is 28 years old
[19:30] <bobweaver> seal was all flattened and what not.
[19:31] <jhodapp> bobweaver, so they were questioning the authenticity of it?
[19:31] <bobweaver> and it did not have watercolor as they did not use it back then
[19:31] <bobweaver> I think
[19:31] <tgm4883> watermark?
[19:31] <bobweaver> or that it just was not good enough I sent in that time got denial letter in the mail and of cource they kept the 140 fee
[19:32] <bobweaver> yeah the birth certiface must have water mark now-a-days
[19:32] <bobweaver> home-land-security (I think )
[19:33] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  http://www.visarite.com/birthcertificate.htm   << watermark   and my seal was just about flat for 28 years of storage
[19:34] <bobweaver> like you have to have one or the other  seal that is raised   or watermark
[19:34] <bobweaver> this new just has watermark that I got today
[19:34] <tgm4883> I had to go get a new one
[19:34] <tgm4883> as I don't have an old one :/
[19:37] <bobweaver> I might as well and throw the old one out
[19:37]  * bobweaver is powerful turns out that when I was born the hospital lost power.
[19:37] <bobweaver> no baby pictures
[19:37] <jhodapp> lol
[19:39] <bobweaver> so it turns out that my BC was not filed until I was 5 days old due to power issues and what not
[19:39] <bobweaver> middle of hurricane season I guess in FL
[19:40] <bobweaver> also I had my dads birth date wrong
[19:40] <bobweaver> which I still can not find
[19:41] <bobweaver> I have not talked to him in years
[19:41] <bobweaver> last I hear he got arrested with drugs and guns
[19:41] <bobweaver> I will google it
[19:42] <tgm4883> I didn't even need my dads birth date I think
[19:43] <bobweaver> http://ithaca-cortland.ynn.com/content/video_stories/493269/meth-and-heroin-confiscated-in-drug-busts/
[19:43] <bobweaver> that's my daddy
[19:43] <bobweaver> what a jack off
[19:45] <bobweaver> yeah part ten is asking for it and my mothers
[19:45] <bobweaver> of the forum that I got from the post office
[19:45] <tgm4883> yea they ask for it, but I don't think it's required
[19:45] <tgm4883> I'm almost certain I didn't have it
[19:46] <bobweaver> lol it is on my OG hospital record of birth
[19:46] <tgm4883> unless it's printed on my birth certificate, but I think that is just the place of birth
[19:46] <bobweaver> along with little bobby foot prints :)


[13:23] <guiverc> lubuntu daily-live 2018-07-18 32bit; i can't view, or edit connection info (want to connect to wifi), on x86_64 desktop it appears to open xterm, but i see no xterm in menu for 32bit daily-iso?  any thoughts, comments (am I missing something, raise bug-report?)
[13:31] <guiverc> yeah - installed xterm on 32bit daily-live & the nmtui-edit applet suddenly works... will raise bug report...
[13:33] <guiverc> but if someone can tell me what package to file against; would be appreciated :)
[13:56] <guiverc> filed against xterm (#1782579); missing from 2018-07-18 daily image in my opinion


[01:25] <netritious> wrst: moaning on a mailing list is probably the least bothersome thing you can do on the interwebs
[01:25] <wrst> well I need to find something more bothersome then :)
[01:25] <netritious> :)
[01:26] <wrst> right now I am exploring the world of creating an Arch package, or not creating but maintaining one at least
[01:27] <netritious> right now I'm pretty certain I've found the components for my pfsense boxl, although only three rj-45 and $100 over budget.
[01:27]  * Unit193 does Debian packages! :D
[01:27] <netritious> oh and realtek nics...still, it's not to shabby
[01:27] <Unit193> I need to stop.
[01:28] <netritious> Unit193: where were you when I needed help packaging snort? :D
[01:28] <Unit193> Hiding?  Drinking coffee?  Making snarky comments?
[01:28] <netritious> all of the above?
[01:28] <Unit193> Likely.
[01:30] <netritious> I'm looking at somewhere between 20-30W, +/- 5W.
[01:32] <netritious> **on the firewall
[01:33] <netritious> motherboard/cpu/vga: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186236
[01:35] <wrst> Unit193: arch packages especially in the AUR is more a script borderline hack
[01:35] <Unit193> Yep.
[01:35] <wrst> nice netritious :)
[01:36] <wrst> of course arch is just a borderline hack too :)
[01:36] <netritious> arch is neat
[01:36] <netritious> I wish I had more time for it
[01:36] <wrst> well once its setup you really don't need time for it
[01:36] <wrst> love it on my laptop, but... wouldn't dare set it up for someone else to use, or use on a server, etc
[01:39]  * wrst flashes his router... nothing can go wrong here...
[01:40] <netritious> no, I mean I just don't have time for it. I've already compressed a new ubuntu setup to a few minutes.
[01:41] <wrst> ha ha undertsand completely
[01:42] <netritious> I guess I could setup arch and just clone that, but why? I just don't need (or want) bleeding edge.
[01:43] <netritious> I have quite a bit of ancient tech lying around to...would arch install on an old toshiba laptop? like PIII era? I will try if it does :)
[01:44] <netritious> I think it's about a twelve year old laptop
[01:44] <wrst> well I'm sure its possible, but not worth it when you can run debian with a 486 kernel and probably work much better :)
[01:45] <wrst> well you may not need that kernel but I have before and makes a huge difference having something like debian to go to
[01:46] <wrst> and flashed my router the wrong way, via wifi, didn't back it up (very stupid) and it all worked