[05:15] <valorie> damn, it seems 55% no on Scottish independence
[05:15] <valorie> only the highlands not yet counted
[05:18]  * tsimpson is glad they voted to stay
[05:27] <valorie> I have very mixed feelings
[05:29] <tsimpson> it was a very high turnout so at least it's a legitimate result
[05:30] <valorie> oh, for sure
[06:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:19] <sgclark> apachelogger: I tried to ask you about the kfilemetadata path yesterday but you were away, was that another ECM break?
[11:29] <sgclark> nm
[11:42] <apachelogger> sgclark: yes no, not really, please make sure that the include path in debian/rules says 3 rather than 2
[11:42] <apachelogger> the 2 thingy is for kde4 (and used to work for 5 stuff because we had patched ECM) the 3 thing is for ECM based software
[11:43] <apachelogger> at this point if paths are changing for no apparent reason it is because you there is a 2 where it should be 3
[11:43] <apachelogger> -include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk
[11:43] <apachelogger> +include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk
[11:44] <sgclark> ah ha, ok thanks I will look out for that apachelogger
[11:46] <apachelogger> FWIW I am not sure kfilemetadata should split the plugins btw
[11:49] <sgclark> that was part of the stuff santa was doing
[11:50] <sgclark> whom I have not seen since I got back
[11:50] <apachelogger> yeah, he's been gone for a while
[11:51] <apachelogger> also the baloo lib split seems overly pointless
[12:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imgur.com/EKPo3Sg
[12:51] <shadeslayer> top post on reddit :D
[13:32] <soee_> shadeslayer: hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUR-HgAtwtg&feature=youtu.be :)
[13:32] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:32] <shadeslayer> ofcourse
[13:33] <shadeslayer> humans screw up
[13:34] <soee_> i said yesterday that scots wont win it, its just politic, bussiness etc, citizens vots are nothing
[13:41] <apachelogger> it's because jr left too early
[13:41] <apachelogger> that's the problem
[13:41] <apachelogger> lunchpad is being weird again -.-
[13:42] <apachelogger> or maybe Oo
[13:42] <apachelogger> Oo oO
[13:42] <apachelogger> :O
[13:44] <apachelogger> oh ffs
[13:44] <soee_> :)
[13:47] <mcstr> http://s1.postimg.org/alw1y4j8v/Bildschirmfoto7.jpg  <-- is this a known bug?
[13:48] <soee_> what bug ?
[13:49] <mcstr> soee see how the kicker startmenu is so dark
[13:49] <mcstr> happens if i run it in foreground of firefox, but not for example in foreground of dolphin
[13:49] <apachelogger> this is not the plasma bug tracker
[13:49] <soee_> oh im not sure, im not using this menu
[13:50] <mcstr> apachelogger shall i try in projectneon then?
[13:52] <apachelogger> mcstr: project neon is not the plasma bug tracker either
[13:53] <mcstr> so where then ? :)
[13:54] <apachelogger> bugs.kde.org
[13:58] <mcstr> done :P
[15:14] <sgclark> 5.0.2 needs to be tested, do testers test from staging or ?
[15:16] <apachelogger> I'd say so yes
[15:18] <sgclark> !testers please test 5.0.2 http://goo.gl/a0ywC7
[15:18] <sgclark> blech
[15:18] <sgclark> !testers
[15:18] <sgclark> ^
[15:19] <sgclark> woohoo I don't have to test
[15:20] <lordievader> sgclark: Anything in particular, or add it to the sources and run a dist-upgrade?
[15:21] <sgclark> this is plasma 5 so if you  are using that then that should work I think
[15:26] <lordievader> I have the regular Kubuntu Next ppa enabled, and I think plasma5 is installed. However it doesn't show up in lightdm...
[15:26] <sgclark> err no, dist-upgrade wants to remove plasma5
[15:26] <BluesKaj> sorry, I'm sticking with plasma 4 for the time being, atm i don't have another stable OS as a fallback
[15:29] <sgclark> ok, well anyone using plasma 5 in vm or otherwise, just do an upgrade with that ppa enabled. Thanks.
[15:31] <lordievader> sgclark: I'll try and get it installed. If that succeeds I'll see if I can test 5.0.2 ;)
[15:31] <sgclark> ok thank you.
[15:57] <lordievader> Shouldn't plasma-workspace be a depency of kubuntu-plasma5-meta?
[16:04] <apachelogger> no
[16:04] <apachelogger> plasma-workspace is for the most part an asset package
[16:04] <apachelogger> it provides thingsies a shell impelemntation of plasma will want
[16:04] <apachelogger> so meta -> plasma-desktop -> plasma-workspace
[16:04] <lordievader> kubuntu-plasma5-meta removed plasma4 but didn't give me plasma5.
[16:05] <apachelogger> lordievader: that sounds like bad dependencies somewhere then
[16:05] <apachelogger> plasma-workspace at any rate wouldn't give you a plasma
[16:05] <apachelogger> plasma-desktop would
[16:05] <lordievader> An older version of plasma-desktop was still there.
[16:06] <lordievader> I was digging around and figured that could be it. Only later I saw plasma-desktop.
[16:09] <apachelogger> mh
[16:09] <apachelogger> lordievader: I'd argue that simply installing the meta wouldn't upgrade existing packages
[16:09] <apachelogger> so you'd want to install and dist-upgrade
[16:09] <lordievader> apachelogger: It seems that was the problem. It's fixed now btw.
[16:09] <apachelogger> I can see the problem though, it's a bit of a mess to prevent though
[16:10] <lordievader> apachelogger: The meta package cannot depend on version >x?
[16:10] <apachelogger> no
[16:10] <apachelogger> because people didn't listen to me
[16:10] <lordievader> Hmm, yes that is a bit of a problem.
[16:10] <apachelogger> we have >=4:5.0 and >=5.0 depending on the package
[16:10] <apachelogger> and since 4: makes everything bigger there is no way to express both at the same time
[16:11] <apachelogger> so one would have to manually list the relevant version for all the packages
[16:11] <apachelogger> which is of course crap
[16:11] <lordievader> Change in versioning isn't a solution? (Getting rid of the 4: prefix...)
[16:16] <apachelogger> lordievader: that wouldn't work, everything needed 4: prefix
[16:16] <apachelogger> to which Riddell objected because it isn't technically necessary for new packages
[16:17] <lordievader> So in short... it is a mess?
[16:18] <apachelogger> exactly
[16:18] <lordievader> Great. Good luck on that ;)
[16:22] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:57]  * Mamarok is back with Utopic installed correctly
[19:58] <Mamarok> 2 things: the installer says "Thank you for installing Kubuntu 14.04..." I guess this is an overlook
[19:58] <Mamarok> also: default file manager appears to be Konqueror when opening a connected device from the panel...
[21:19] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, konkueror? not dolphin?
[21:26] <Mamarok> yep, opening a newly connected USB disk opens it with Konqueror, not with Dolphin
[22:03] <soee> when coonecting through ssh and doing some commit to my git repo i have this message: bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (pl_PL.utf8)
[22:03] <soee> any idea how to fix it ?


[02:54] <bigjools> blog.launchpad.net/general/diff-comments is a 404.  LOL?
[02:54] <bigjools> ah already noted above
[06:49] <jtv> The UI is very colourful now...  Still getting used to it, but it looks quite nice.
[06:53] <wgrant> jtv: The purple links? That's a bug that'll be fixed in a couple of hours...
[06:53] <jtv> Ah.  Shame.
[06:53] <jtv> And then there's the new "beta bar" at the top.
[06:53] <wgrant> Indeed.
[06:54] <wgrant> That's some UI that was actually designed by a web designer.
[06:54] <wgrant> So mysteriously it doesn't look like it was designed by some random person in 2005.
[06:54] <jtv> Looks nice, though doesn't actually seem to fit the style very closely.
[06:54] <wgrant> Indeed.


[05:58] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:12] <Kilos> hi barrydk mazal drussell MaNL SilverCodeZA Squirm theblazehen and other lurkers
[06:18] <barrydk> More almal
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:18] <mazal> Morning all
[06:20] <gremble> Good morrow
[06:20] <Kilos> hi gremble
[06:20] <gremble> How are you Kilos ?
[06:21] <Kilos> good ty lad and you?
[06:21] <gremble> I am well thank you
[06:50] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:50] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[06:50] <Kilos> congrats my my
[06:50] <inetpro> Kilos: congrats?
[06:51] <Kilos> congratulations
[06:51] <Kilos> sigh
[06:51] <inetpro> for what?
[06:51] <Kilos> for being the pro you are
[06:51] <inetpro> it's not my birthday today :-)
[06:51] <Kilos> and managing the rowdy meeting
[06:52] <inetpro> ai!
[06:52] <Kilos> im happy so you be happy and smile all day
[06:53] <Kilos> some feedback
[06:53] <Kilos>  <PabloRubianes> if this helps to empower LoCos it could replicate in other continents
[06:53]  * inetpro is happy if Kilos satisfied with the outcome
[06:54] <Kilos> ek in my noppies or knoppies ek vergeet
[07:20] <Kilos> oh inetpro i think i have found the prob to those funny bits in the minutes, its if i tick another channel and return and dont actuall tick in the texting box then konversation does those funny things
[07:20] <Kilos> we spoke about this before
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: http://www.takealot.com/ocz-arc-100-2-5-ssd-240gb/PLID33054507
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> good price, but perhaps out of your budget nonetheless
[07:38] <drussell> yo Kilos
[07:46] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:47] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[07:47] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:53] <TinuvaMac> top of the morning to you too Kilos
[07:53] <Kilos> ty sir and to you too
[07:54] <TinuvaMac> :P
[07:54] <Kilos> oh ya :o
[07:54] <Kilos> haha
[08:25] <Kilos> Symmetria  help
[08:25] <Kilos> oh first Symmetria ping
[08:32] <Kilos> hmm... hows does one find cuttingedge
[08:33]  * pieter2627 thinks one needs a blade and blade sharpener to get a cutting edge :P
[08:33] <Kilos> lol
[08:34] <Kilos> i am sure i mailed him before when neology mirror gave me errors but have no idea what the addy is now
[08:34] <Kilos> ai!
[08:41] <Kilos> inetpro  tell me man
[08:45] <Kilos> oh my
[08:46] <Kilos> maybe he was in pidgin somewhere and now is gone
[08:51] <Kilos> pieter2627  do you remember him?
[08:52] <pieter2627> who?
[08:52] <Kilos> cuttingedge
[08:52] <Kilos> the guy who maintains the neology mirror
[08:52] <pieter2627> have only seen him here a few times
[08:53] <Kilos> oh my
[09:57] <inetpro> Maaz: neology
[09:57] <Maaz> Ubuntu mirror "Neology" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za-archive Official Archive Mirrors for Ubuntu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[09:57] <inetpro> Kilos: there ^^
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: but first, what is wrong?
[09:59] <Kilos> i am trying to find how he got reviewed so quick
[09:59] <Kilos> so ongolaboy can go the same route
[09:59] <Kilos> ty
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: and that has what to do with Neology?
[09:59] <Kilos> i was looking to contact him
[09:59] <Kilos> well he is the neology maintainer
[10:00] <inetpro> Kilos: what is wrong?
[10:00] <Kilos> and he got it made an official mirror quick
[10:00] <inetpro> ahh... now I understand
[10:00] <Kilos> the mirror peeps havent verified the cameroon mirror in 10 months
[10:01] <Kilos> and no reply from them on irc as yet today
[10:01]  * inetpro missed the conversation on the other channel
[10:01] <TinuvaMac> Kilos: its easy to get reviewed quick, join the ubuntu archive irc channel on here. chat to the guys there = done
[10:01] <TinuvaMac> but wait for the americans to wake up
[10:01] <Kilos> i am there now
[10:02] <Kilos> he has been trying for 10 months
[10:02] <TinuvaMac> americans wake up from 2-4pm SA time
[10:02] <Kilos> ya ill keep trying ty
[10:03] <inetpro> TinuvaMac: you mean the #ubuntu-mirrors channel?
[10:03] <TinuvaMac> my bad, yes that
[10:03] <Kilos> ya im there ty
[10:03] <Kilos> and ongolaboy
[10:05] <inetpro> they've been very quiet there for a long time... but I guess people don't ask many questions either
[10:06] <inetpro> mirroring is mostly just happening smoothly
[12:31] <mazal> Bye for now everyone
[12:40] <barrydk> Totsiens almal, cheers , buy
[15:22] <Kilos> sjoe what a sad looking page
[15:42] <gremble> o/
[16:05] <Kilos> o/
[18:12] <gremble> So quiet here tonight
[18:16] <inetpro> why?
[18:16] <inetpro> good evening gremble
[18:16] <inetpro> oh and hi evryone else
[18:16] <gremble> I don't know why it is quiet. I merely made an observation.


[00:50] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: I think I speak for the whole team here (really, myself and OvenWerks) when we say that we want our panel (and all installed plugins) to match as closely as possible.
[00:50] <Eickmeyer>  Additionally, I was told by xnox that the indicator-sound and indicator-application packages (really, anything indicator*) are depricated. That's what we currently use to display the volume control.
[00:51] <Eickmeyer> So, I think it would be in our best interest to match Xubuntu on installed UI defaults as closely as possible, with the changes being in the theming and wallpaper.
[00:55] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: m_ad[m] had mentioned he'd do testing.
[10:00] <m_ad[m]> OvenWerks: iso testing is what i wanted to start and helped out with during the last week of the release cycle :)
[10:00] <m_ad[m]> maybe i can do more in the near future after i dealt with some things i private land
[15:14] <OvenWerks> m_ad[m]: no problem.
[15:21] <m_ad[m]> :)


[05:26] <darkxst> Noskcaj, any update on -photos in debian?
[05:27] <Noskcaj> darkxst, not that i've heard of.
[05:27] <darkxst> maybe just get it straight into ubuntu then, since freeze is pretty close now
[05:27] <Noskcaj> Can you look into updating it? I have to get xubuntu's indicators ready first
[05:27] <Noskcaj> s/updating/uploading
[05:30] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I don't really have time, still have to try and get the gnome-desktop transition ready, among other things
[05:31] <Noskcaj> ok. I'll put it into a branch sometime  tomorrow
[05:31] <darkxst> Noskcaj, ok thats fine, thanks
[05:59] <Noskcaj> darkxst, lp:~noskcaj/+junk/gnome-weather . The xfce stuff is ftbfs, so done
[06:00] <Noskcaj> crap, lp:~noskcaj/+junk/gnome-photos
[06:02] <darkxst> Noskcaj, thanks, file a bug against ubuntu and get it onto sponsorship queue
[07:34] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[08:15] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, sorry i really g2g


[12:35] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  stuff. whatever. (r3293: Steve Alexander)
[12:45] <carlos> That's what I call a descriptive log message....
[12:58] <carlos> kiko: dude, aren't you supposed to be sleeping?
[02:06] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Raise a POSyntaxError if we don't have a .po header. Fixes bug #1892 (r3294: Carlos Perello Marin)
[02:06] <carlos> dilys: thanks
[02:33] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=SteveA]  Fixeg a problem while applying sanity fixes to translations. The order matters so we should fix first the newline style and then the missing newline chars. (r3295: Carlos Perello Marin)
[05:01] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Bump bug batch size to 200 in production configs (r3296: Stuart Bishop)
[05:14] <stub> Hmm... dapper wants me to remove bzrtools again
[05:20] <cprov> stub: bzr want to reweave all my tree, 3 hours each, ohhh my
[04:37] <lifeless> bradb unless its dead-set urgent its easier for stub and I not to be passing the assignment token around
[04:42] <jd_> hi! I'm currently working on Rosetta dapper/fr and I have a question about gnome-app-install, what is the best place to ask on irc? :)
[04:43] <bradb> lifeless: ok, i'll wait till tomorrow, thanks
[04:45] <matsubara> jd_: for rosetta stuff you could talk to carlos
[04:46] <carlos> jd_: hi, what do you need?
[04:46] <jd_> thanks. hi carlos
[04:46] <jd_> well, I need to know the meaning of a word in the gnome-app-install so I can translate in French
[04:46] <jd_> but you might not be the good person to ask
[04:47] <jd_> since #rosetta is empty...
[04:48] <carlos> jd_: well, #rosetta is not used anymore... you should use this channel for Rosetta questions
[04:49] <carlos> jd_: anyway, that question is better answered by gnome-app-install developers/maintainers
[04:49] <jd_> ok. so, if any know what the word  channel  is used for in gnome-app-install... I thought it was an alias for repository, but I may be wrong here
[04:50] <carlos> jd_: I can help you with the system but not with the content... Well, I can try to help you on that, but I cannot guarantee that I will actually help you...
[04:50] <carlos> ;-)
[04:50] <jd_> yep, I'll subscrire to their ml - just asking on irc for any lightspeed answer ;)
[04:50] <carlos> jd_: hmm, I think is better that you ask at #ubuntu-devel....
[04:50] <carlos> sorry ;-)
[04:50] <jd_> ok, thank you ^_^
[04:50] <carlos> jd_: ask mvo, he's one of the developers of that application
[04:51] <jd_> ohoel, good
[04:51] <jd_> (niarf, tab completing is ***)
[04:53] <lifeless> brabd - just put it in the queue for stub, email him saying 'asap please'
[05:43] <jordi> carlos: did you cleanup the rosetta-users queue, but not approve a numbero of posts?
[05:44] <carlos> jordi: I approved all posts we had from users
[05:44] <carlos> I think there were 3
[05:44] <carlos> and answered them
[05:45] <jordi>     Subject: Plural forms for language 'mr' [Marathi]
[05:45] <jordi> I don't see this post, for example
[05:45] <jordi>     Subject: Gnome translations
[05:45] <jordi> or this
[05:46] <jordi> I can bounce the posts again, no biggy
[05:47] <jordi> hmm
[05:47] <jordi> actually, it seems it did go in
[05:47] <jordi> why don't I have them?
[05:47] <jordi> hrm
[05:47] <jordi> damn, I'm missing quite a few mails.
[05:50] <carlos> jordi: I got all them
[05:50] <carlos> and I answered already
[05:51] <jordi> I saw it.
[05:51] <jordi> I can't see what's going on het.
[05:51] <jordi> yet
[05:51] <jordi> trying to find out
[05:51] <carlos> jordi: mail problems?
[05:54] <jordi> weird
[05:54] <jordi> not in my procmail log
[05:58] <jordi> carlos: I don't have them.
[05:58] <jordi> weird.
[06:01] <carlos> jordi: btw, I just added you to the ubuntu-translators mailing list as an admin ... so say 'hello' to the SPAM ;-)
[06:01] <jordi> gee
[06:06] <jordi> carlos: I don't know where the mails are getting lost.
[06:06] <jordi> I got just some of them
[06:07] <carlos> jordi: no idea dude, I got them and the mail archive should have them... I guess is a problem of your mail server...
[06:36] <sladen> oooh, we have a new code-drop with funky bling bling.  ta dudes.
[06:51] <kiko> how much bling, sladen? :-)
[06:53] <sladen> drop-downage that even tells you the last comment placed.
[06:53] <kiko> on the bug page, yeah. we won a battle
[06:53] <sladen> pity that clicking the servity, priority and assignment don't drop it down
[06:54] <kiko> I'll talk to mpt about it
[06:54] <kiko> https://launchpad.net/people/sladen/+packages
[06:54] <kiko> you have some build bustage to fix ;-)
[06:54] <kiko> cross-platform bustage, anyway
[06:57] <sladen> without it sliding off the right-hand-side over the top of something else
[07:00] <sladen> ... : hppa not in arch list: i386 amd64 -- skipping    should that be a failure?
[07:03] <jamesh> lifeless: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/jhbuild/jhbuild/utils/cmds.py?rev=1.13&view=markup <- you might be able to adapt pprint_output()
[07:24] <jamesh> mpt: your MaloneSimplifications branch is approved
[07:26] <mpt> thanks jamesh
[08:01] <dilys> Merge to test/launchpad/sourcecode/sqlobject/: r=spiv Fix two issues with SQLObject: first, make prejoining really work with selectOne (by using a fully qualified column name for the orderBy), and second, make count() queries work for set operations that are distinct (r52: Christian Reis)
[08:23] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=jamesh]  branch pages title fixes (r3302: David Allouche)
[08:28] <jamesh> spiv: this is a minimal test case of kiko's problem: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileDdMKe2.html
[08:33] <ddaa> spiv: the sftp server test suite fails with paramiko-1.5.3
[08:50] <Keybuk> where's launchpad gone?
[08:52] <jamesh> Keybuk: since you were starting to understand it, we replaced it with something even more complex
[08:53] <Keybuk> you seem to have replaced it with a script that just outputs "500 Internal Server Error" :p
[08:54] <spiv> Keybuk: That's more than it's giving me atm ;)
[08:54] <Keybuk> it seems to be fixed now
[08:54] <spiv> Ah, same here.
[08:55] <cprov> carlos:  https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~daf/bugs/scrape.py
[08:55] <jamesh> possibly one of the app servers is having issues
[08:56] <carlos> cprov: thanks
[09:04] <elmo> err, guys someone broke #LP app 2/4 again
[09:07] <elmo> (s/2/1/) I'll restart the apps servers on gangotri, in 5 minutes, if no one tells me otherwise
[09:09] <spiv> elmo: No one here seems to know anything about it
[09:11] <elmo> spiv: does anyone want to debug it, or should I just hit it with a big hammer?
[09:12] <spiv> elmo: We'll take a quick look
[09:13] <elmo> k
[09:16] <dilys> Merge to test/launchpad/sourcecode/sqlobject/: r=jamesh make SelectResults.__nonzero__ issue only one query: lazyColumns ends up causing an extra query when list()ing, so fix __nonzero__ to stop using it and make sure we omit prejoins when clone()ing (r53: Christian Reis)
[09:21] <lifeless> elmo: bounce it please
[09:21] <lifeless> elmo: I'll talk with stub about some debugging tools we could use
[09:22] <spiv> elmo, lifeless: thanks
[09:23] <elmo> ok, done
[09:23] <lifeless> great
[09:51] <lamont> cprov: ping
[09:51] <lamont> or Kinnison
[09:52] <lamont>         socket.error: (4, 'Interrupted system call')
[09:53] <cprov> lamont: pong
[09:53] <lamont> cprov: looking at https://launchpad.net/+builds, what does it take to kick the hppa buildd's back into happiness?
[09:54] <lamont> and would it be possible to grep the source making sure that EINTR and EAGAIN are treated the same?
[09:54] <cprov> lamont: need to manually renable them
[09:54] <lamont> cprov: and I assume that I can't do that?  (certainly can't without at least some education)
[09:55] <cprov> and some lp.Admin permission ...
[09:55] <lamont> meaning Kinnison or infinity.  got it
[09:56] <lamont> well, that's the official list of buildd admins anyway... I suppose that lp admin is a superset of that...
[09:56] <lamont> do we have buildd-admin as a separate permission level yet?
[09:57] <cprov> lamont: I have it too
[09:57] <cprov> lamont: yes, buildd-admins own the builder
[09:59] <cprov> I mean, the builders at all
[10:00] <lamont> EPARSE
[10:02] <cprov> lamont: all the builders are owned by the team Build Daemons Maintainer (buildd-admins)
[10:24] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=spiv]  Update launchpad-database-setup for postgresql 8.1 (r3303: Robert Collins)
[10:50] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: r=spiv Fix the _Batch class to properly handle empty lists. Matsubara pointed out an interesting problem when doing a list() on an empty batch; it tried to call SelectResults.__len__. Turns out that Python tries to hit __len__ when slicing into a sequence with negative indices, and that's the way we indicate empty lists in _Batch. Implement a bit of a band-aid on __iter__() and __getitem__() and change start() and end() to use them
[11:46] <dilys> Merge to test/launchpad/sourcecode/sqlobject/: r=salgado Redo my slightly misguided fix for count(*) on set operations; the reality is that set operations are naturally distinct and that we should not be passing distinct onwards (r54: Christian Reis)


[03:13] <ubotu> Paladine called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[04:11] <jdong> Hobbsee: urgh paladine is really driving me nuts.
[04:11] <jdong> Hobbsee: turns out, after talking to the admin that handled his forum fuss... he left out the part of the story where he was whining about another thread and didn't get his way.
[04:11] <jdong> and he made the vista thread in protest.
[04:12] <jdong> convenient how the part he left out suddenly makes him look like the innocent guy ;-)
[04:12] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAOF said: !nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[04:13] <RAOF> Lets try this one again :P=
[04:13] <Hobbsee> jdong: that'd be right
[04:13] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah
[04:18] <jrib> RAOF: it's probably still broken
[04:19] <jrib> !nouveau
[04:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveau - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:19] <jrib> !nouveau is foobar
[04:19] <ubotu> But nouveau already means something else!
[04:19] <jrib> heh
[04:19] <RAOF> So, who do I poke to fix it, if not you guys? :P
[04:20] <jrib> have to wait for seveas to be around
[04:20] <nalioth> and he'll probably eat you
[04:20] <mneptok> RAOF: dress as Zimbra. Seveas' is a Debian packager so he'll stay FAR away from you.
[04:21] <mneptok> -'
[04:21] <jrib> tonyyarusso: haha
[04:23] <jrib> hmm someone fixed the old url for the factoids
[10:51] <stefg> any bot-master awake? I want the !uuid factoid changed, it's dangerously incorrect
[10:52] <Amaranth> !uuid
[10:52] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:52] <Amaranth> stefg: how is that incorrect?
[10:52] <stefg> Amaranth: the command should be 'sudo /sbin/blkid' ...
[10:52] <Amaranth> err
[10:52] <Amaranth> no
[10:52] <Amaranth> works fine as just 'blkid' here
[10:52] <stefg> otherwise blkid won't update the cache and show outdated info...
[10:53] <Amaranth> you expect the UUID on your HDs partitions to change mid-session?
[10:55] <stefg> Amaranth: no... not even mid-session. running blkid as user cannot update /etc/blkid.tab. so if any partition changed after you initially installed ubuntu the info blkid (as user) shows is WRONG! that took me a day of work.... after i got fooled by it
[10:56] <Amaranth> !no uuid is <reply> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  sudo blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[10:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[10:58] <stefg> thanks
[01:23] <stefg> aaarghh ... someone tell this prickhead CompJunki_  how to behave in #ubuntu. He's spamming the chanlle with bs (phewwww... better now, needed to blow off steam, but not in #ubuntu)
[01:24] <PriceChild> argh him again?
[01:25] <PriceChild> Grrr I'm just reading the logs of #ubuntuforums from last night *grrr*
[01:27] <mc44> grr?
[01:36] <Pici> oh.. wonderful.
[01:52] <Pici> http://lifehacker.com/software/ubuntu/identify-any-package-in-ubuntu-with-the-ubotu-irc-bot-296403.php
[01:54] <PriceChild> Pici, i don't have a lifehacker account...
[01:54] <PriceChild> Pici, could you inform them of apt-file also perhaps?
[01:54] <Pici> PriceChild: I added my response at the bottom.
[01:55] <PriceChild> just apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, and then they can do apt-file search file
[01:55] <Pici> I'll add that.
[01:55] <PriceChild> ty
[01:57] <Pici> Do you need sudo to do an apt-file update?
[01:58] <PriceChild> i don't even think its needed... should be done during the install but yeah
[01:58] <Pici> Okay. Added.
[02:01] <PriceChild> *goes off again*
[03:02] <Jucato> %login
[03:11] <Pici> %logout
[03:28] <popey> hmm
[03:29] <Pici> hmm indeed
[03:31] <Hobbsee> i wonder what he wanted.
[03:35] <stefg> sort of : one, two... one,two... mic check ...
[03:35] <Pici> #ubuntu-ops are you ready to rock!?!?!
[03:35] <AndrewB> rock what?
[03:36] <stefg> ubuntu rocks, anyway, so we were never readier than now !! :-)
[04:16] <stefg> how about opening #ubuntu-trolls and pushing the annoying guys in there ? :-) so they can play with each other and don't bother the main channel..... Seen some candidates lately
[04:17] <Pici> I dont see any point in that. Theres really no difference between banning them and banforwarding them.
[04:18] <elkbuntu> and we dont want them teaming up
[04:18] <elkbuntu> they do that well enough on their own without our assistance
[04:18] <stefg> I wasn't too serious.... more like an experiment .... #ubuntu-the-cube >:-)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> a +z?
[04:21] <elkbuntu> if you find a way to set up a face-stabbing interface in the channel, it would make sense, but until then... sorry ;)
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: haha - one-way mirror channel?  Could be amusing.
[05:27] <Pici> sigh.
[06:38] <Pici> Am I wrong to think that ubuntustudio is an official ubuntu project?
[06:39] <Gary> it's the offical namespace
[06:39] <Gary> everything #ubuntu* is
[06:39] <PriceChild> Pici, the packages are in the ubuntu repositories iirc
[06:39] <PriceChild> for gutsy at least...
[06:40] <Pici> PriceChild: Yeah, thats what I thought.
[06:40] <PriceChild> i get mixed up between studio and myth over feisty... but i think studio didn't make it in time
[06:41] <Jucato> s/it was/they were/
[06:41] <PriceChild> Jucato, canonical are doing the cd image builds etc. for gutsy
[06:42] <Jucato> so now there are 6? ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntustudio, mythbuntu?
[06:42] <Pici> gobuntu
[06:42] <PriceChild> fluxbuntu
[06:43] <PriceChild> elbuntu
[06:43] <Jucato> oh sorry :)
[06:43] <PriceChild> (enlightenment)
[06:43] <Pici> ubuntu-mobile (or whatever its called)
[06:43] <Jucato> hm.. thought elbuntu sort of died...
[06:43] <PriceChild> haven't a clue
[06:43] <Jucato> UME
[06:43] <Jucato> Ubuntu Mobile Edition
[06:43] <Jucato> oh well... I'm quite out of the loop it seems :)
[07:09] <MehdiHassanpour> hi, how can we have ubotu in our channel ?
[07:10] <stdin> If you want him to join your channel: /msg Seveas (but he's not around atm)
[07:10] <PriceChild> MehdiHassanpour, what channel is it by the way?
[07:11] <MehdiHassanpour> PriceChild: ubuntu-ir
[07:11] <PriceChild> the loco channel?
[07:11] <MehdiHassanpour> yes
[07:11] <PriceChild> I don't see that being a problem, just gotta wait on Seveas' return :)
[07:12] <MehdiHassanpour> PriceChild: ok, ty :-)
[07:12] <stdin> I suppose you could memo him, /msg memoserv send Seveas your message goes here
[07:13] <MehdiHassanpour> stdin: :-)
[07:19] <MehdiHassanpour> stdin: (notice) [Seveas]  is rejecting all memos ;-)
[07:19] <stdin> heh, oh well
[07:20] <Pici> Seveas rejected me too :(
[07:22] <ubotu> bbrazil called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:26] <Pici> Hobbsee: Do you have an issue with me removing the +q? I spoke to him.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> Pici: no
[07:47] <tonyy> ubotu, bantracker
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bantracker - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:47] <PriceChild> tonyy, @btlogin
[07:48] <tonyy> PriceChild, No - I wanted the URL - it told me exactly what I needed without realizing it ;)
[07:48] <PriceChild> btlogin gives you the url :)
[07:48] <tonyy> that is, if the site weren't down :(
[07:48] <tonyy> oh?
[07:49] <tonyy> @btlogin
[07:49] <tonyy> "Error: Authntication failed"
[07:49] <Pici> tonyy: Site is up to me.
[07:49] <tonyy> nice typo
[07:49] <tonyy> Pici, the front page is fine, but the bans one errored out on me
[07:49] <Pici> I get a database lock error, but that usually goes away after refreshing a few hundred times
[07:49] <tonyy> now it's okay
[07:50] <tonyy> Can only one of us access it at a time or something?
[07:51] <Pici> I'm in it now too.
[09:47] <ompaul> kill a blob a day
[09:48] <ompaul> hehe, that could be misunderstood
[09:51] <Tm_T> why it takes full day to kill a blob?
[09:51] <Tm_T> just hit with an axe will ya?
[09:52] <mneptok> mmmmm mitosis
[09:52] <ompaul> Tm_T, you should do more than just killing blobs
[09:52] <ompaul> you should converse with mneptoks
[09:53] <ompaul> topylis and of course the day would not be complete without grinning in a most silly way at mc44
[09:53] <Tm_T> topylis?
[09:53] <ompaul> Tm_P, you don't know topyli?
[09:54] <ompaul> woops
[09:54] <ompaul> Tm_T see above
[09:54] <Tm_T> ompaul: well I know topyli, but who the hell is topylis
[09:54] <Tm_T> topyli is my favourite pet <3
[09:55] <ompaul> topylis with no s
[09:56] <mneptok> and he makes his own sauce.
[09:57] <mneptok> right in the bag!
[09:57] <Tm_T> ... you should see his bag :(
[09:57] <mneptok> heat and serve over rice, pasta, or raw animal fury.
[09:57] <ompaul> rice no sauce or gentoo thanks
[09:57] <ompaul> a bit of salt
[09:58] <ompaul> maybe
[09:58] <Tm_T> bit of me too?
[09:58] <ompaul> mixed with some veg and some fried chicken
[09:58] <ompaul> no sauce
[09:58] <mneptok> if i'm eating that much Finn i neeh black vodka
[09:58] <Tm_T> "this days special lunch: Tm_T in salad bed"
[09:58] <mneptok> *need
[09:58] <Tm_T> mneptok: Koskenkorva or Kiteen kirkas
[09:59] <mneptok> Turkice Peper
[09:59] <mneptok> (sp?)
[09:59] <Tm_T> ?
[10:00] <mneptok> it's the licorice candy i'm familiar with as regards black vodka
[10:00] <Tm_T> Turkish Pepper you mean?
[10:00] <mneptok> yeah. but i believe there's a Svensk marketed name.
[10:01] <mneptok> but i'm an ill-informed blob
[10:01] <ompaul> that would be a great blog name
[10:02] <ompaul> illinformedblobseeksharwaretocorrupt.blogspot.com
[10:03] <mneptok> precompiledforyourprotection.com
[10:04] <Tm_T> mneptok: turkisk peper is prolly swedish name
[10:04] <mneptok> Lutefisk Peper is Norwegian. not a big seller.
[10:05] <Tm_T> :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> mneptok: I promise to give you some Koskenkorva when you come to visit me ;)
[10:06] <mneptok> Tm_T: that may be next midsummer
[10:06] <Tm_T> <3
[10:06] <mneptok> Tm_T: invitation to a friend's summer party near Helsinki, then probably some visiting family
[10:06] <Tm_T> lovely
[10:07] <Tm_T> I live 450 km from Helsinki though =)
[10:07] <mneptok> i *think* i have family near Tampere
[10:07] <mneptok> if you're near there
[10:09] <tonyy> mneptok, um, what were Swedish-Finns doing in Karelia?
[10:09] <Tm_T> well I'm more in North-Karelia, you know, "Siberia of Finland"
[10:35] <mneptok> tonyy: getting tossed out by the Russians, mostly.
[10:36] <tonyy> mneptok: well, yeah, but what prompted them to go all the way across the country rather than hanging with the other Swedes on the west side?
[11:11] <jdong> "I'm hardcore like porno bitches" ==> "I give 110% when it comes to helping my community"
[11:11] <jdong> *GASP*
[11:11] <jdong> err....
[11:11] <jdong> stupid mouse wheel
[11:11] <jdong> please disregard.
[11:12] <Tm_T> jdong: ...
[11:12] <jdong> it was ment for another channel
[11:12] <Tm_T> jdong: how hardcore you exactly are?
[11:12] <jdong> Tm_T: it's a family guy line....
[11:12] <jdong> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EZjWdr3YA
[11:12] <jdong> at 1:40
[11:12] <Tm_T> dont make excuses
[11:12] <jdong> parodying "white translations" of explicit music :)
[11:12] <Tm_T> ANSWER!
[11:12] <tonyy> ....
[11:12] <jdong> Tm_T: very hardcore :)
[11:12] <Tm_T> jdong: youre disgusting :/
[11:12] <jdong> Tm_T: "backports guy". Need I say more? ;-)
[11:13] <Tm_T> yeah, I know your type of people, I keep avoiding them
[11:13] <jdong> lol, that would be the right thing to do :)
[11:14] <PriceChild> jdong, you fool
[11:14] <ubotu> Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:14] <jdong> PriceChild: hey it's only rhe 4th or 5th time I've done that
[11:14] <Tm_T> stdin: because you're too young
[11:15] <PriceChild> jdong, but that's a particularly bad one
[11:15] <stdin> hmm, now where's that ageing machine I had?
[11:15] <jdong> PriceChild: probably the worst, in the owrst channel to do it in, too.
[11:15] <jdong> :)
[11:15] <PriceChild> definitely
[11:16] <jdong> anyway, if you can all scrub it out of your memory like roswell.... thanks.
[11:16] <tonyy> What for?
[11:16] <tonyy> wait, what was I even doing?
[11:16] <PriceChild> tonyy, who are you?
[11:17] <jdong> lol :)
[11:17] <jdong> you guys are the best.
[11:17] <tonyy> PriceChild: Tony Yarusso, an Ubuntu member apparently
[11:17] <jdong> tonyy: what's this Ubuntu thing?
[11:17] <jdong> that's like Linux right?
[11:18] <Tm_T> Linux?
[11:18] <Tm_T> wasnt that some kind of bisquit?
[11:18] <stdin> It's like Unix, only cooler
[11:18] <jdong> stdin: isn't that like those monks who can't have babies?
[11:19] <Tm_T> stdin: Unix glue?
[11:20] <stdin> I like the way my parents lay Linux, like "Line-X"
[11:20] <tonyy> jdong: Google it?
[11:21] <jdong> stdin: hey one of the faculty teaching 6.01 here does that :)
[11:21] <Tm_T> stdin: lay?
[11:22] <PriceChild> stdin, you've got access in #kubuntu haven't you?
[11:22] <stdin> PriceChild: yep
[11:22] <stdin> Tm_T: very lay
[11:22] <PriceChild> stdin, in the launchpad ubuntu-irc team?
[11:22] <stdin> PriceChild: yes I am
[11:23] <PriceChild> stdin, poke nalioth, hobbsee or seveas if he returns soon and I'm sure they'll poke you on. I don't have access for it though sorry.
[11:24] <jdong> PriceChild: is that a record?
[11:24] <PriceChild> jdong, hmm?
[11:24] <jdong> PriceChild: 5 words, 4 pings?
[11:24] <jdong> :)
[11:24] <PriceChild> jdong jdong jdong jdong jdong
[11:24] <jdong> ok that's a record.
[11:24] <nalioth> PriceChild: yes?
[11:25] <Tm_T> jdong: dingdong!
[11:25] <Tm_T> nalioth: stdin needs +
[11:25] <jdong> someone get the door....
[11:25] <Tm_T> jdong: jdingjdong, jingle bells?
[11:25] <nalioth> Tm_T: + what?
[11:25] <PriceChild> nalioth, I think stdin (binary2k) should be on the autovoice list in here (access level 5) seen as he's a #kubuntu op and on the ubuntu-irc team.
[11:25] <PriceChild> and you've got access to change that :)
[11:26] <nalioth> why would you want the extra attention, stdin ?
[11:26] <stdin> bragging rights maybe :p
[11:27] <PriceChild> ahem
[11:27] <Tm_T> =)
[11:27] <Tm_T> stdin: because you forgot to come in?
[11:28] <stdin> :D
[11:28] <Tm_T> wheeee
[11:29] <Tm_T> stdin: welcome
[11:29] <stdin> I feel better now
[11:30] <nalioth> stdin: we can fix that for you.
[11:30] <stdin> coffee at 22:30? why not :)
[11:30] <Tm_T> 0030 here
[11:31] <Tm_T> this is good btw
[11:31] <Tm_T> not bulk shaitte
[11:31] <Tm_T> did cost only 3,40  / 100 g
[11:31] <stdin> hmm, now I actually do have a craving for coffee
[11:32] <Tm_T> what, about 8 times more than that bulk stuff =)
[01:01] <PriceChild> Hi NovaTel, how can I help?
[01:05] <coreymon77> hi, i just got kubuntu membership today and i was told to come here to find out how to get a kubuntu/member irc cloak
[01:06] <PriceChild> Hey coreymon77
[01:07] <PriceChild> gimme a min
[01:07] <Tm_T> :)
[01:07] <Tm_T> coreymon77: hello there :)
[01:07] <coreymon77> hi
[01:07] <coreymon77> after long last i finally got it!
[01:08] <nalioth> kubuntu membership?
[01:08] <Tm_T> coreymon77: haha, I still havent got it, should remember to do things for it
[01:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, yup
[01:08] <coreymon77> yup
[01:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, could you cloak him then? :)
[01:08] <PriceChild> nalioth, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+participation shows that kubuntu members is a member of ubuntu members
[01:09] <PriceChild> and he's in that: https://launchpad.net/~coreymon77
[01:09] <coreymon77> im in kubuntu
[01:11] <PriceChild> coreymon77, by the way you get an ubuntu/member cloak, not kubuntu/member unless I'm very much mistaken?
[01:11] <Tm_T> yes
[01:11] <coreymon77> oh
[01:11] <coreymon77> okay
[01:12] <coreymon77> makes no diff
[01:12] <Tm_T> there's no kubuntu cloak
[01:12] <coreymon77> only one?
[01:12] <coreymon77> okay