[12:00] <Slackman> kde available in PPC yet?
[12:00] <bigtony> that worked
[12:00] <bigtony> thanks
[12:00] <lemsx1> bigt, pkill -9 xine it's better :-)
[12:00] <Skif> bob2: if this is fixed in dri-upstream, I can try to drop it in and see what happens
[12:00] <bigtony> what does the 9 do?
[12:00] <borgmeister> does anybody know the command for restarting the enlightenment sound daemon?
[12:00] <lemsx1> bigtony, murders the app
[12:00] <ogra> bigtony: tels it to quit in any case
[12:00] <ogra> +l
[12:00] <bigtony> good deal thanks
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: yes
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: it has been for weeks
[12:01] <Slackman> bob2 erm. i get unresolved deps
[12:01] <Slackman> i am running warty
[12:01] <bigtony> oh one thing while i'm at it
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: in warty?
[12:01] <magneto> can i remove the contents of /var/cache/archives without hurting anything
[12:01] <bigtony> i know you can hit control alt f2 to go to shell
[12:01] <bigtony> if it locks up
[12:01] <bob2> magneto: man apt-get, look at "clean" and "autoclean"
[12:02] <bigtony> how do you restart? other than the obvious reset button
[12:02] <magneto> bob2: kool
[12:02] <Slackman> bob2 yeh running warty...and i just upgraded everything today to make sure
[12:02] <bigtony> its control alt f?
[12:02] <Slackman> what am i doing wrong?
[12:02] <ogra> bigt: control-alt-del in the console
[12:02] <bigtony> oh ok
[12:02] <bigtony> thought it was something different
[12:02] <theweb|sleeping> Hey all, is there someone who is using mason?
[12:02] <bigtony> thanks for the help
[12:02] <LinuxJones> bigtony, you probably don't have to re-boot unless your dual booting :)
[12:03] <bigtony> one day i might know how to spell my name :)
[12:03] <bigtony> yeah i was just trying to learn the commands is all thanks
[12:03] <MoisesC> hi there
[12:03] <MoisesC> someone with hoary?
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[12:03] <Drago> hmmm....
[12:04] <kensai> MoisesC: 60% of all
[12:04] <Drago> should I have a /dev/usb?
[12:04] <MoisesC> after the last update, my nautilus runs slooowly :/
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> MoisesC: install gamin
[12:04] <MoisesC> ok
[12:04] <MoisesC> thanks
[12:04] <Drago> I'm trying to get my scanner working with sane.
[12:04] <ogra> Drago: nope....i got none
[12:05] <kensai> MoisesC: upgrade the ubuntu-desktop it will install gamin and remove something that is not needed
[12:05] <Drago> can anyone help
[12:05] <billytwowilly> how do the debian init levels work again? 3-5 are the same, 2 is no X, 1 is single user, 6 is reboot 0 is off?
[12:05] <Drago> it's a scanner supported by sane
[12:05] <MoisesC> oh ok
[12:05] <ben_> is there a way to make gkrellm go to the system tray, i hate it taking up space on the taskbar
[12:05] <ogra> Drago: type: groups
[12:05] <bob2> billytwowilly: no, 2-5 is the same, 1 is single-user, 6 is reboot
[12:05] <MoisesC> i removed it by the totem-xine stuff
[12:05] <ogra> Drago: is scanner in the list ?
[12:05] <Drago> yes
[12:05] <Drago> it's ausb scanner
[12:05] <ogra> k
[12:05] <billytwowilly> bob2, how do I get to an init level with no X?
[12:06] <MoisesC> (excuse my english)
[12:06] <bob2> billytwowilly: make one
[12:06] <ogra> Drago: model ?
[12:06] <bob2> billytwowilly: rm /etc/rc3.d/*gdm
[12:06] <Drago> Microtek Slimscan C6
[12:06] <billytwowilly> do that for /etc/rc2.d/ if I want it to be init 2 right?
[12:06] <bob2> yes
[12:06] <ogra> Drago: is it shown in the device manager ?
[12:06] <Drago> yes
[12:06] <Drago> it works when I boot off my live cd of knoppix
[12:07] <Drago> just not in ubuntu
[12:07] <ben_> anyone?
[12:07] <cuga> Hey for some reason i can't have files bigger then 2GB , anybody know why?
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: what happens?
[12:07] <Drago> hmm?
[12:07] <bob2> ben_: I'm almost certain you can't
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: if you startxsane
[12:07] <bob2> cuga: it depends what program you're using
[12:07] <Drago> it says no scanner found
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: are you on ppc ?
[12:08] <ben_> bob2, booo, lol. you can't minimize programs to the tray?
[12:08] <cuga> bob2: it was a download from firefox that I let go over night, was supposed to be 2.5GB but it cut off at exacly 2GB
[12:08] <Drago> it shows up as Phantom C6 in device manager.
[12:08] <Drago> no I'm on a AMD
[12:08] <ogra> Drago: 64?
[12:08] <Drago> XP
[12:08] <magneto> ben: try gdesklets
[12:08] <usual> hmmm
[12:08] <usual> wonder why Xorg is being updated again
[12:09] <cuga> bob2: does it make sense that firefox cut it off?
[12:09] <Keybuk> usual: bugs, bugs and more bugs
[12:09] <Drago> my proc is a AMD 1700 XP
[12:09] <Keybuk> did I mention THE BUGS?
[12:09] <ogra> Drago: what says: sane-find-scanner
[12:10] <Desolate> bleh
[12:10] <magneto> bob2: thanks wasnt sure how package data was kept in apt-get
[12:10] <Drago> no usb scanners found'
[12:10] <Desolate> well, I've burned the .iso onto a cd, put it in the drive, and changed the boot options
[12:10] <Desolate> yet I still get an error
[12:10] <ogra> Drago: what says: sudo sane-find-scanner
[12:11] <Drago> the exact same thing
[12:11] <bob2> ben_: there is no "tray" in gnome
[12:11] <bob2> ben_: there's a "notification area", and no you can't minimize random programs to it
[12:11] <bob2> cuga: I'd have thought firefox would support large files
[12:11] <ben_> aw
[12:11] <Keybuk> bob2: everyone calls it the "tray" :)
[12:11] <bob2> cuga: you could use wget -c on it
[12:11] <ben_> there should be a tray :p
[12:12] <bob2> heh, true
[12:12] <Keybuk> bob2: even the API is eggtrayicon :p
[12:12] <bob2> hahaha
[12:12] <Keybuk> but no, you can't minimize to it because that would be "stupid"
[12:12] <cuga> bob2: yeah i just read up on it, it is firefox's problem :( night of downloading down the crapper
[12:12] <Keybuk> what's wrong with the usual minimisation?
[12:13] <Drago> someone said before it may be fasely busy.
[12:13] <Drago> could that be true?
[12:13] <Drago> if it is I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it.
[12:13] <ogra> Drago: replug it
[12:13] <Drago> did that about 50 times
[12:14] <bob2> cuga: you can use wget to resume it
[12:14] <Drago> different ports
[12:14] <Drago> turned it off then on
[12:15] <ogra> Drago: i think filing a bug would be best here....
[12:15] <Drago> with who?
[12:16] <ogra> Drago: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <ben_> is there an arial equivilant in open office
[12:17] <usual> gmail is a big lie
[12:17] <usual> pop support my ass
[12:17] <ben_> usual: u are stupid, they said that they are phasing it in
[12:18] <ogra> Drago: package xsane
[12:18] <ben_> before you dis a great service, look around for a few minutes ;)
[12:18] <usual> ben_, I wouldn't say I am stupid
[12:18] <ben_> usual: fine, misinformed/ignorant :p
[12:18] <ben_> j/k, lol
[12:18] <usual> ben_, misinformed
[12:18] <will_> why is it so bad?
[12:19] <usual> I was just told about it and given the help link
[12:19] <usual> no info
[12:19] <ben_> it was on slashdot
[12:19] <usual> oh
[12:19] <usual> this is what I got
[12:19] <usual> http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273&query=pop&topic=0&type=f
[12:20] <ben_> anyways
[12:20] <ben_> is there an arial-type font in OpenOffice?
[12:20] <Drago> damn...
[12:20] <Drago> I want to scan...
[12:21] <ben_> anyone?
[12:21] <fga> can anyone help troubleshooting software suspend ?
[12:21] <bob2> ben_: you can get arial
[12:22] <bob2> fga: ask on the list and use a subject interesting enough to draw in matthew ;-)
[12:22] <ogra> Drago: sorry no idea.... you scanner is detected, xsane is working ..... its no permission problem as sudo changes nothing.....
[12:23] <Drago> I don't know if this is useful but... I use vmware. and when I try to get the scanner to be used in vmware it says it "specified device seems to be claimed by another driver (microtekX6) on host operating system)(ubuntu)
[12:23] <fga> bob2: i'll try this... hope i didn't just do something wrong :)
[12:24] <Drago> it's like something is using it
[12:24] <Drago> but not telling me.
[12:24] <bob2> Drago: you're running all this inside vmware?
[12:24] <Drago> no
[12:24] <Drago> I run VMware in Ubuntu
[12:25] <Drago> I was gonna see if I could get it to work under vmware
[12:25] <Drago> but vmware can't take control of the USB because it says something else has it claimed.
[12:25] <Drago> I run windows in vmware
[12:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu controlls you!
[12:27] <Ruffian|JANE|> im gonna make a background that says that
[12:27] <Drago> my main OS is Ubuntu I have VMware installed running windows 2003 server
[12:28] <|trey|> Drago:  you have w2k3 server as a guest OS? that doesn't seem smart  :o
[12:28] <Drago> |trey|: it's fun.
[12:28] <Drago> I also have windows xp installed too.
[12:28] <ogra> Drago: do you ahve added any kernel options (noacpi/noapic etc )?
[12:29] <Drago> ummm I have the default kernel.
[12:29] <|trey|> Drago:  I have to get around to installing w2k3 server, seems decent, but on my hardware its gonna be a pain :(
[12:29] <|trey|> Drago:  XP sucks imo  :(
[12:29] <ben_> bob2, where do i get arial, and what folder should it go in?
[12:29] <Drago> |trey| yes it does, 2k3 is nice
[12:30] <bob2> ben_: corefonts.sf.net
[12:30] <bob2> ben_: ~/.fonts/
[12:30] <bob2> which I assume OO uses
[12:30] <Drago> ogra, how do I find out.
[12:30] <|trey|> Drago:  yes, want to learn some more about it   :)
[12:30] <ogra> Drago: if you didnt add it....its not there
[12:30] <|trey|> Spent all of like a couple weeks with it, thats not enough time to know it  :(
[12:31] <Drago> someone said something about hotplug causing the problem
[12:31] <seek187> Is there any way to upgrade gaim? there isn't any software repos for this  type of thing?
[12:31] <ogra> Drago: nope, hotplug loads the module....
[12:31] <Drago> I mean hotplug crashed once and made me like not be able to use my usb till it turned off the computer and powersupply.
[12:31] <|trey|> seek187:  umm... I'm @ 1.0.2 ... this isn't in warty?
[12:32] <Lowry> hi all
[12:32] <ogra> Drago: its obviously there, you can see the scanner in the dev manager
[12:32] <Drago> yeah
[12:32] <seek187> |trey| Mine is only 1.0.0
[12:32] <ogra> Drago: on which event crashed your hotplug ?
[12:33] <ogra> Drago: did you plug in anything?
[12:33] <|trey|> seek187:  add warty-updates to your sources.list
[12:33] <seek187> ok
[12:33] <Rotund> yup.  GAIM is only 1.0.0 in warty
[12:33] <Drago> it was booting up
[12:34] <Drago> it got to hotplug loading
[12:34] <Drago> and then it just stopped
[12:34] <Drago> I waited 15 min
[12:34] <Drago> it still didn't move
[12:34] <ogra> Drago: hmm....
[12:34] <Drago> so I restarted
[12:34] <seek187> |trey|, in which line in my sources.list?
[12:34] <Lowry> Any ppc users with hoary?
[12:34] <Drago> nothing in my usb worked
[12:34] <Drago> which at the time had my KB and Mouse plugged in to
[12:34] <|trey|> seek187:  umm, anywere... its like 'warty' or 'warty-security'...
[12:35] <Drago> the bios couldn't even find them
[12:35] <seek187> ohh ok
[12:35] <seek187> thx
[12:35] <ogra> Drago: do you use a hub ?
[12:35] <Drago> yes
[12:35] <Lowry> When I select lcd in fonts- text forms a thin blue edge around it
[12:36] <ogra> Drago: could you trythe scanner without ?
[12:36] <Drago> cord won't reach
[12:37] <Drago> I'd need about another 7 feet or wire.
[12:37] <stuNNed_> what samba packages does network-admin use to connect to windows shares?
[12:37] <|trey|> stuNNed:  smbclient
[12:37] <ogra> Drago: the symptoms look like your hub is your problem
[12:37] <Drago> hmmm
[12:37] <Rotund> gaim is still at 1.0.0 in the updates
[12:37] <Drago> if that was true, why when I load knoppix off the CD does my scanner work.
[12:38] <ogra> Drago: hmm, how many meters of usb wire do you have attached?
[12:38] <|trey|> Rotund: hmm.. ok.. that sucks for warty users  8)
[12:38] <Rotund> |trey|: which are you using?
[12:38] <Rotund> you doing hoary?
[12:38] <Drago> ogra: the 4 foot wire to the scanner from the hub
[12:38] <grape> ogra: i had the same problem the other night when I installed warty for a friend
[12:38] <|trey|> Rotund: yes.
[12:38] <Drago> the 3 foot wire from the hub to the computer
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: it's unlikely to break
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: eg: gamin, etc
[12:39] <grape> usb registered in when I tailed messages, but just that it existed
[12:39] <Rotund> |trey|: is it pretty stable (usable)
[12:39] <ogra> Drago grape: one of you should file a bug....really.....
[12:39] <stuNNed_> |trey|, and smbclient doesn't need samba installed to work, is this right?
[12:39] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I've had no gamin or xorg probs so far  :/
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: I know, but if you need a machine to work
[12:39] <Drago> grape, did you get it to work?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> anbd it already does what you need
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> why screw with it?
[12:39] <Drago> that link won't load.
[12:40] <grape> well, I have got to get it resolved tonight - usb stuff works fine on my thinkpad, but not an i810.... which is juat wacky
[12:40] <|trey|> stuNNed: yes...
[12:40] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[12:40] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I've used Sid in an enterprise environment with little problems...
[12:40] <grape> will do :-)
[12:40] <seek187> Hmmm there is no warty-updates Error 404
[12:40] <Rotund> what is in the multiverse that isn't in the universe?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yes, we use it here as well, but the point is, when you NEED it to work
[12:41] <Drago> hmmm is there anyway to scan my usb ports through terminal?
[12:41] <chibifs> o_o
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> and you don't want to change
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> eg: you run warty
[12:41] <|trey|> Rotund: flash plugins, mplayer etc...
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> then when you need a new package
[12:41] <ogra> Drago lsusb
[12:41] <chibifs> Gah. BitchX is evil. ;_;
[12:41] <ben_> can i just copy over a whole bunch of windows true type fonts? will that work?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> .. you just install it
[12:41] <grape> ogra, can you tell me if sda1 would pop up on the desktop by default, or would I have had to configure that?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to update your syttem
[12:41] <ben_> i have a windows box downstairs
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: use irssi
[12:41] <Xenguy> chibifs: yes it is - kill it now! :-)
[12:41] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: You're a pretty lousy sys admin if you don't plan for upgrades :/
[12:41] <chibifs> Is it anything like xchat? I'm building a console only machine. :/
[12:42] <ogra> grape: it should appear by default..... but sometimes the fam process doesnt rcognize.....
[12:42] <Drago> hmmm Bus 002 Device 024: ID 05da:009a Microtek International, Inc. Phantom C6 there it is... is there anyway yo link that to /dev/usbscannerxxx like sane looks for?
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: um.. no, but say one day you're doing some troublshooting and you need an app that's not installed
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> if you are tracking an unstable version
[12:42] <grape> ogra: ok cool, thanks :-)
[12:42] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: the BEST thing about apt is that you can easily upgrade a running system with little problems...
[12:42] <Xenguy> chibifs: irrsi is good
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> you may have to upgrade core system libraries
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> which MAY break things
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> and I don't want to break things on a production server for stupid reasons
[12:42] <ogra> grape: so its mounted, but not shown,....
[12:42] <Drago> wait... I think I found something out...
[12:43] <Drago> okay
[12:43] <Drago> I have libusb installed.
[12:43] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I guess... but then, enless you are paying for Warty support, you are owed no support anyways...
[12:43] <Drago> but I just noticed sane-find-scanner is saying libusb not availible.
[12:43] <ogra> Drago: you have anything sane needs to work by default installed :)
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: that's not the point, the point is, it works
[12:43] <Drago> I have all the sane and dependencies installed
[12:43] <Drago> libusb is the most current.
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> then you PLAN your upgrade to the latest stable after however long
[12:44] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: that IS my point though... and hoary works...  :/
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> and you migrate to that
[12:44] <Drago> so why is sane not finding it.
[12:44] <Drago> hmmmm
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yes hoary works, but it a) constantly changes
[12:44] <Chibi> Hm :/
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> and b) *MIGHT* not work
[12:44] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: please turn that off
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not willing to stake my job
[12:44] <ogra> Drago: you did install something extra ?
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> on the constant workingness of unstable packages
[12:45] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: ok...
[12:45] <Rotund> grrr.  I want gstreamer-ffmpeg
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> on my desktop, it's ok, if I break it, I can fix it, and no-one else is disadvantaged
[12:45] <Drago> only thing I installed was vmware.
[12:45] <Drago> hmmm perhaps I should try building libusb?
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> or on a test server, whatever
[12:46] <ogra> Drago: no
[12:46] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: just for the record... I recently installed 30 or so Ubuntu Hoary boxes on my campus, why? Because the teacher insisted on xorg...
[12:46] <Drago> ogra: why not?
[12:47] <kensai> what does composite really do in xorg?
[12:47] <Drago> hmmm is there a libusb package on the ubuntu servers?
[12:47] <Slackman> kensai...slows it down :P
[12:47] <|trey|> kensai: hardware acceleration...
[12:47] <bob2> slow things down a lot
[12:47] <bob2> hah
[12:47] <ogra> Drago: my scanner works, as a lot of others do too, lets find the problem ....
[12:47] <bob2> |trey|: no, it does not
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yeah but they are end user systems
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> one person per machine?
[12:47] <|trey|> bob2: umm... thats its purpose...
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> also, unchanging environment
[12:48] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: yes...
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> you can test upgrades on one machine
[12:48] <ogra> Drago: and not break your install....
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> that is the point
[12:48] <kensai> |trey|, Slackman, which one is corect?
[12:48] <bob2> |trey|: no, the composite extension does not do " hardware acceleration"
[12:48] <Slackman> |trey| er..its purpose is to render off screen..
[12:48] <bob2> it's purpose is off-screen composition
[12:48] <Slackman> this can be used for opengl later to make it faster
[12:48] <Slackman> but at the moment
[12:48] <Slackman> its software
[12:48] <Slackman> and slow as shit
[12:48] <kensai> Slackman, I don't see any difference not even slow things down
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Slackman: nvidia drivers accelerate it
[12:48] <Slackman> but it will, in future allow for a flickerless x
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> it's still slow
[12:48] <|trey|> ok.. I don't get why so many people care then?
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: pretty shadows!
[12:49] <bob2> |trey|: they want pointless transparent stuff
[12:49] <sjoerd> kensai: you probably use something like xcompmgr then
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> TRULY transparent backgrounds
[12:49] <Slackman> kensai: it depends, nvidia cards work well
[12:49] <ogra> Drago: install libsane-extras
[12:49] <|trey|> I was under the impression from peoples comments that it did indeed use your graphics card etc... else it seems pointless  :/
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: if you have an nvidia card, are using the nvidia drivers, and enable it in the config, it does
[12:49] <Slackman> HrdwrBoB yeh true, nvidia does accel it, but its not really any faster
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> and it WILL in other cards.. later
[12:50] <HrdwrBoB> Slackman: it's an order of magnitude faster
[12:50] <Slackman> it will be faster when they fix it more
[12:50] <kensai> sjoerd: I dont have that
[12:50] <Slackman> its pretty much the same on my system
[12:50] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: thats kinda what I had gathered... makes a lot more sense...
[12:50] <mjr> the point is that the composite manager can render the windows any way it seems fit, so that should include any hw-accelerated ways too; just a matter of coding
[12:50] <Drago> installed.
[12:50] <kensai> Slackman: I am usnig Nvidia
[12:50] <sjoerd> kensai: then there is no difference, because your not really using it
[12:50] <|trey|> Making the GUI prettier, but slower is not useful...
[12:51] <grape> ogra and Drago: I am going to grab a shower and head off to my friend's house - will file the bug report on the usb from there if need be. I'd rather have the system in front of me before I go and make assumptions...
[12:51] <Slackman> kensai, just give it a go and see how it goes..its flickerless, for me its about the same, but on anything other than nvidia its horribly slow
[12:51] <kensai> sjoerd: how I install it?
[12:51] <grape> catch you guys in an hour or so
[12:51] <ogra> Drago: retry sane
[12:51] <Slackman> kensai, google for it, you dont need ot install it, just enable it
[12:51] <Drago> ogra: still says "libusb not available" in the sane-find-scanner
[12:51] <ogra> Drago: retry sane
[12:51] <Drago> reinstalled it's the same
[12:52] <Drago> also reinstalled libusb too.
[12:52] <Drago> same outcome.
[12:52] <grape> Drago: "fix broken packages" or "ldconfig" maybe? just thinking of things I didn't do ;-)
[12:53] <|trey|> 'fix broken packages' = apt-get -f install?
[12:53] <ogra> grape: not on a default install with nothing tweaked.....except.....
[12:53] <ogra> Drago: please stop vmware and make sure the vmware modules are unloaded
[12:53] <Drago> just a FYI: it didn't work before vmware was installed.
[12:54] <ogra> lol
[12:54] <ogra> k
[12:54] <grape> |trey|: fix broken packages in synaptics..
[12:54] <Drago> I did that.
[12:54] <Drago> nothings broken
[12:54] <|trey|> grape: umm, I gathered that, just seeing what it actually does...
[12:54] <grape> that's what they all say ;-)
[12:54] <grape> hehe
[12:54] <grape> lol oh ok
[12:54] <grape> it just "fixes" things ;-)
[12:54] <cuga> the header files for my running kernel should be in my /lib/modules/kernerversion right?
[12:55] <|trey|> grape: so does -f for apt-get...
[12:55] <Drago> it just looks like sane does not want to find libusb
[12:55] <ogra> Drago: and you did not install sane or anything extra except libsane-extras ?
[12:56] <seek187> hmmm no gaim in warty-updates either :(
[12:56] <Drago> umm hmm I installed a few extra packages from synaptic.
[12:57] <ogra> Drago: do a search for sane in synaptic
[12:57] <ogra> Drago: uninstall all packages without a logo in the found packages.....
[12:58] <Drago> okay
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <seek187> ?
[12:59] <ben_> unbuntu crashed on me
[12:59] <ben_> the whole thing
[12:59] <ben_> mouse would move but nothing responded
[12:59] <Drago> removed.
[12:59] <ben_> not cool
[12:59] <Drago> still the same.
[12:59] <Drago> well the ones found with sane
[01:00] <ben_> i switched to linux so it would be more stable than windows 98, not so it would crash >:(
[01:00] <bob2> you're running warty?
[01:00] <ben_> how can i look at the sys log to see why it crashed?
[01:00] <ben_> bob2: yeah
[01:00] <Drago> no change
[01:00] <bob2>  /var/log/syslog
[01:00] <ogra> Drago: replugged ?
[01:01] <Drago> yep
[01:01] <Drago> scan-find-scanner still says libusb not found
[01:01] <Drago> err availible
[01:02] <ogra> Drago: you uninstalled the packages like i told you??
[01:02] <Drago> yes I uninstalled all sane packages with out the ubuntu logo next to them
[01:03] <ogra> Drago: funnyly you just installed sane-find-scanner  ...... why is it there ?
[01:03] <ogra> uninstalled
[01:04] <Drago> sane-find-scanner is part of sane
[01:04] <fga> i built a custom kernel and would need to manually add some modules to the initrd file... how can i mount it in read/write mode ?
[01:04] <ben_> what does a crash look like in the logs?
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: and sane has a logo in front ?
[01:04] <Drago> it's needed for sane to run.
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: nope
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: xsane has the logo
[01:05] <Agrajag-> does the ubuntu installer happen to come with a tool for resizing parititions?
[01:05] <ogra> Drago: not sane
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag-: yes
[01:05] <Agrajag-> HrdwrBoB: ta
[01:06] <Drago> I only have xsane xsane-common libsane pyton2.3-imaging-sane and python-imaging-sane installed
[01:06] <Drago> one of those packages have to have sane-find-scanner in it then
[01:07] <nixman> is there a howto on playing all media files with mplayer ? right now i got mozplugger and it defaults to using realplayer for certain things
[01:07] <ben_> "Nov 10 18:51:20 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."
[01:07] <ben_> did that crash it?
[01:08] <ben_> if so, uh, what's that mean?
[01:08] <ogra> Drago: copy n paste: dpkg -S `which sane-find-scanner`
[01:08] <ben_> it repeats that error a couple times
[01:09] <ben_> "Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Timeout waiting for command completion.
[01:09] <ben_> Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."
[01:09] <ben_> anyone?
[01:09] <ben_> c'mon, warty crashed, isn't that important :p
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> ben_: it's broken
[01:09] <Drago> dpkg: /usr/local/bin/sane-find-scanner not found.
[01:09] <ben_> HrdwrBoB, what's broken?
[01:10] <Drago> it still runs when I type it.
[01:10] <ogra> Drago: uninstall whatever you compiled yourself for the scanner
[01:11] <ben_> anyone?
[01:11] <Zugwrack> ogra: How do I upgrade from Warty to Hoary?
[01:11] <Drago> and how would I do that.
[01:11] <Zugwrack> Hi ben_:
[01:11] <ben_> hi :)
[01:11] <ben_> lol
[01:12] <ben_> warty crashed, but no one will explain why :(
[01:12] <ben_> scroll up
[01:12] <ogra> Drago: make uninstall in the source tree....if this isnt implemented....no idea
[01:12] <kapputu> hi all
[01:12] <ogra> Zugwrack: sure you want to do this ?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> ben, a search on google reveals that's a network card problem
[01:12] <Drago> there.
[01:13] <Zugwrack> ogra: No..but I still have the PPC cd if I need to reinstall...I have /dev/hdb just for linux ;->))
[01:13] <ben_> LinuxJones, and that can crash the whole system?
[01:13] <JDahl> ben_, rest assured - if I knew why your machine crashed I would tell you. I am not at all like the other secretive bastards in here
[01:13] <Drago> ogra: done
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ben, I don't think that's you problem no
[01:13] <JDahl> they all know - but they're not telling you :S
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: type sane-find-scanner
[01:13] <ben_> the network card was working fine though, i even took it out and put it back in to try and unfreeze it and the wireless network applet detected it
[01:13] <Drago> it's not there.
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ben, but stranger things have been known to happen :D
[01:13] <kapputu> what's been happening with ubuntu ?
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: great
[01:13] <kapputu> haven't followed in a while
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: xsane
[01:14] <Drago> still can't find it.
[01:14] <seek187> Is Hoary broken really bad? im thinking of upgrading to it
[01:14] <Drago> my friend sam was tryingt o figure it out yesterday he must of compiled it.
[01:14] <ogra> Drago: what else did you compile??
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> Drago: must have compiled it
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> not of
[01:15] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: his friend.....argh
[01:15] <Drago> only thing 'I' compiled was vmware.
[01:15] <Drago> well installed
[01:15] <kapputu> ogra, how r u
[01:16] <ogra> Drago: you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu.....if it doesnt work its a bug.... report it  and it will be fixed
[01:16] <ben_> brb
[01:16] <Zugwrack> Ok is there a Hoary PPC cd for download?
[01:16] <ogra> Zugwrack: no need for this ;)
[01:16] <Drago> there is stuff you need to compile in ubuntu simply because of the fact that it is not part of ubuntu
[01:16] <Drago> like vmware
[01:16] <seek187> can I just put hoary in my sources list in place and warty and upgrade that way?
[01:16] <Zugwrack> ogra: So how to do it?
[01:17] <ogra> Zugwrack: if you want to upgrade just change warty to hoary insynaptic.....
[01:18] <ogra> Zugwrack: and do a smart upgrade (mark all upgrades)
[01:18] <Zugwrack> Ahhh..just change the line that says Warty to Hoary...wow that was too hard...duh...then synaptic will take over and upgrade?(after apply?)
[01:18] <ogra> Zugwrack: leave out security......
[01:18] <Zugwrack> Ok
[01:18] <kapputu> hey ogra, do you know when the CDs were shipped?\
[01:18] <Drago> thats the only thing I made
[01:18] <Zugwrack> universe, multiverse, etc?
[01:19] <Drago> there is no other source code on my computer besides vmware
[01:19] <ogra> kapputu: look at shipit.ubuntu.com
[01:19] <kapputu> do they give you the dates when they were shipped ?
[01:19] <ogra> Zugwrack: yep
[01:19] <Drago> and sane-backend which I asked and sam compiled trying ot get it to work.
[01:19] <ogra> kapputu: yep
[01:19] <Drago> but that is not uninstalled.
[01:20] <Zugwrack> ogra: I was asking earlier about when I open terminal...that I always have to resize it...I haven't been able to figure out how to tell the terminal to save the size I have re-sized to?
[01:20] <ogra> Drago: look in /usr/local...there should be noting in /lib or /bin ....
[01:20] <kapputu> they were sent the day before
[01:20] <kapputu> how long does it take to reach?
[01:20] <ogra> Zugwrack: me neither ;)
[01:21] <ogra> Zugwrack: but its a often requested thing i notice....
[01:21] <ben_> firefox 1.0 is so much better than what warty comes with
[01:21] <Drago> nothing there.
[01:22] <Zugwrack> ogra: Another terminal might allow this? or is it related to gnome desktop itself?
[01:22] <Zugwrack> ben_: So you got it upgraded eh?
[01:22] <kapputu> hmm is there a way to install firefox 1.0 on top of ubuntu's ?
[01:24] <Zugwrack> How do I disable pbbuttonsd?
[01:25] <Zugwrack> What is the script name used to load extras at the end of bootstrap?
[01:25] <Drago> ogra: still doesn't change the fact that xsane doesn't find my scanner.
[01:25] <Pariente> can some one tell me how to configure a motorola cable model in ubuntu 4.10??????
[01:26] <Pariente> surpricingly the eth0 didnt work now matter what i do
[01:26] <Hoodster> HI All. I have a question about mounting nfs. I want to be able to browse a nfs machine on my local network. I try to do a mount command but I get a permission denied, which I don't understand because I can browse the nfs server from a different machine running (KDE). Any suggestion?
[01:26] <RageMax> the clock applet and evolution is broken in hoary right now
[01:26] <RageMax> just a note to anyone who hasn't upgraded yet
[01:26] <Lowry> I am sharing internet from my G4 to my powerbook - what a a good way to copy a file from my hoary powerbook to the g4?
[01:26] <Zugwrack> hoodster: you have hosts and hosts.allow setup on box machines?
[01:27] <Zugwrack> Lowry: smb://<g4 name or ip> it should ask for username password...
[01:27] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: Not sure. How do I find out? On the NFS server I am running NFS-Lite, which is very basic and should not restrict users from accessing it.
[01:28] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: First off you need some basic things done on both machines...I assume both are *nix?
[01:28] <Lowry> thx
[01:28] <Zugwrack> Lowry: NP
[01:28] <Lowry> os x
[01:28] <kapputu> hmm, when I do a About firefox, it shows it as version 0.93
[01:28] <kapputu> can someone verify ?
[01:29] <Lowry> I was using a flash drive
[01:29] <Lowry> But it was change to read only
[01:29] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: What are these basic things? The NFS server should be setup already.
[01:29] <stuNNed_> man
[01:29] <stuNNed_> Ubuntu just works :D
[01:30] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: What operating systems are you running first off...even M$ has a hosts file
[01:30] <ben_> if i just paste a .ttf file in the fonts folder, will it show up in open office?
[01:30] <kapputu> stuNNed, I can see you still are ...
[01:30] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: I apologize for not specifying. The NFS server is running NFS-Lite, which is linux, and the client is running Ubuntu Warty 4.10
[01:31] <Drago> ogra, anyclue what else may be causing it?
[01:31] <jdub> Hoodster: see /etc/default/portmap
[01:32] <kapputu> firefox 1.0 kicks ass !!
[01:32] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: Ok then you will need to have at least setup a username the same on both boxes..then edit hosts and hosts.allow to make sure you can map using the hostname, or ip(this will let each of them know about the other)
[01:32] <Hoodster> jdub: I edited /etc/default/portmap and commented out the only entry. I did not reboot after I did that.
[01:32] <jdub> Hoodster: /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[01:33] <kensai> Oh I never knew how great xfce was
[01:33] <kensai> it is by far the best lightweight desktop IMHO
[01:33] <ben_> anyone?
[01:33] <ben_> can i just paste a .ttf file into the fonts folder and open office will pick it up?
[01:34] <stuNNed_> in yours opinions  what do you think has the better ms office filters?  abiword/gnumeric or OOo?
[01:34] <cypher-> give it a try and find out
[01:34] <cypher-> you can always safly remove it afterwards
[01:34] <Hoodster> jdub: Thanks, I will try it.
[01:34] <ben_> cypher-, was that to me?
[01:34] <cypher-> yes
[01:34] <ben_> i can't seem to find where all the fonts are held though..
[01:34] <ogra> Drago: could you try again: sudo xsane
[01:35] <cypher-> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/
[01:35] <Drago> nothing
[01:36] <Drago> I reinstalled the sane packages and it detects scanners...
[01:36] <Drago> 3 of them
[01:36] <ogra> Drago ARGH.....
[01:36] <ogra> Drago why did you do this
[01:36] <valeria> hi all
[01:36] <Drago> it's the sane package.
[01:36] <ogra> Drago its from universe and its not needed...
[01:37] <valeria> i have nvidia geforce 4 mx and i've installed nvidia drivers from ubuntu
[01:37] <Drago> fine. I uninstalled it.
[01:37] <stuNNed_> how do i turn off autocompletion in open office writer?
[01:37] <ogra> Drago: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3306
[01:37] <ogra> Drago: seems related
[01:37] <valeria> when i launch an application with 3d i got:  xlib: extension  "xfree86-dri" missing on display
[01:38] <Hoodster> Zugwrack and jdub: I can connect to the nfs server by clicking on Computer | Network, Then click on File | Connect to server... I then select "Custom Location". I enter the IP address and a server name. An icon appears in the Network window and desktop and when I click on it, my browser launches and I can see the contents of the NFS-Lite fileserver, but I can't really interact with the files. There must be a different way to access it.
[01:38] <valeria> any hint
[01:38] <cypher-> valeria, what graphics card do you have ?
[01:38] <ben_> what's the command to copy files?
[01:38] <ogra> Drago: tryteh differentbootoptions mentioned there
[01:39] <ogra> ben_: cp
[01:39] <valeria> ge force 4 mx480
[01:39] <cypher-> ben_, cp
[01:39] <ben_> is there a way to copy files from the clipboard?
[01:40] <Drago> no see theres a difference between his and mine... xsane finds it. xsane doesn't even remotely says it finds a scanner.
[01:41] <ogra> Drago: please try the bootoptions mentioned there
[01:41] <cypher-> valeria, the only thing i can think of is commenting out 'DRI' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:41] <cypher-> and then restarting x
[01:42] <cypher-> ben_, ctrl+c and ctrl+v will work if you have the permissions to move to the folder
[01:43] <valeria> ok i try
[01:43] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, how do I change the user/group permissions of a folder and its subdirectories?
[01:44] <rouslan> Mojo_Jojo: read 'man chmod' and 'man chown'
[01:44] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[01:44] <rouslan> i think recursive option is -R
[01:44] <ogra> valeria: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:45] <Mojo_Jojo> I tired this sudo chown -R $USERS <folder> but it didnt work
[01:45] <valeria> got same error even disabling it
[01:45] <valeria> ogra i used that howto
[01:45] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: folder/*
[01:45] <valeria> maybe i did some wrong
[01:45] <valeria> recheck the url
[01:46] <ogra> valeria: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:46] <ben_> grrr, didn't work
[01:47] <Mojo_Jojo> ohthis is correct right? sudo chown -R $USERS enemy-territory/*
[01:48] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: if you wnatthe users takeover the enemy territory, yes
[01:48] <ben_> oh well
[01:48] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, if thats right why this error chown: `enemy-territory/CHANGES': invalid user
[01:48] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: sudo ?
[01:49] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: oh.... no
[01:49] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: not $USERS..... $USER
[01:49] <desp> sudo chown -R $USER enemy-territory/
[01:49] <desp> no star
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah I uses sudo...???what??
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh ok
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> ah there we go it worked :D thanks :D
[01:51] <Drago> ogra: none of those options would let me boot
[01:51] <Drago> I tried all 3
[01:51] <Drago> noapic, pci=noacpi & acpi=off
[01:51] <jazzka> I need to configure ubuntu so I can connect remotelly with vnc
[01:51] <valeria> ogra the file seemed altered
[01:52] <jazzka> any help?
[01:52] <valeria> and i made the md5sum...
[01:52] <desp> any ideas when Firefox 1.0 is gonna show up for warty>
[01:52] <desp> ?
[01:52] <valeria> the Xf86config-4 had nvidia before
[01:52] <valeria> as driver i mean
[01:52] <jdub> desp: warty is released and frozen.
[01:52] <ogra> Drago: a boot with each of them ?
[01:53] <Mojo_Jojo> has anyone have problems with games?? like enemy-territory
[01:53] <Drago> yes
[01:53] <Temet> Hello every body
[01:53] <kensai> is there a good wysiwyg creator in linux like frontpage?
[01:53] <Drago> i got a error and it would fall back to grub
[01:53] <Drago> and then I would try another
[01:53] <Mojo_Jojo> kensai, nvu is ok
[01:53] <Drago> and it would do the same thing
[01:54] <Temet> which soft do you use to burn cds under gnome ?
[01:54] <Amaranth> kensai: nvu or mozilla composer
[01:54] <kensai> Mojo_Jojo: thanks
[01:54] <Mojo_Jojo> np
[01:54] <ogra> Drago: how did you add the options?
[01:54] <kensai> Amaranth: is mozilla composer in apt?
[01:54] <Amaranth> Temet: Sadly the best program I've found is for KDE, k3b.
[01:54] <Drago> grub at boot.
[01:54] <Amaranth> kensai: It's a part of the mozilla suite.
[01:54] <Desolate> hiya, need some help connecting my linux pc to a windows wireless network
[01:54] <Drago> like it said.
[01:55] <Temet> Amaranth , and it runs well with gnome ?
[01:55] <Drago> I edited the grub option
[01:55] <rouslan> Temet: cdrecord is console based but works
[01:55] <ogra> Drago: in edit mode at the end of the kernel line
[01:55] <Amaranth> Temet: It looks totally out of place, but it runs fine.
[01:55] <Temet> rouslan ... yeah, console ...
[01:55] <Temet> thanks Amaranth
[01:55] <Drago> yeah let me try again
[01:55] <kapputu> Desolate: have you setup your wireless connection ?
[01:56] <Drago> maybe I typed wrong
[01:56] <Desolate> the network is running, yes
[01:56] <ogra> Temet: you can use your filemanager (nautilus)
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> how come when I open enemy-territory I just get a black screen and if I move the mouse I see my desktop?
[01:56] <Desolate> as I'm currently on it (on an XP laptop)
[01:56] <Drago> let me double check what I have written
[01:56] <ogra> Drago: with a space.....
[01:56] <kensai> Amaranth: nvu isn't in apt right?
[01:56] <Desolate> but I have no idea how to make the linux pc recognize that network
[01:56] <Temet> hum ogra ... i don't like ;)
[01:56] <Drago> noapic pci=noacpi and acpi=off
[01:56] <kapputu> Desolate: you need to set the workgroup of your machine to be the same name as the other windows machines
[01:56] <ogra> Temet: oh, why.....
[01:57] <Drago> are those all right?
[01:57] <Temet> ogra : because ! LOL
[01:57] <Desolate> kapputu: I assume I need to enable windows networking in Network Settings first though, right?
[01:57] <ogra> Drago: yep..... with a space at the end of the kernel line
[01:57] <kapputu> yeah
[01:57] <Drago> okay let me try that I don't think they had a space.
[01:57] <kapputu> wasn't sure which stage you were in
[01:58] <ogra> Drag: start with acpi=off
[01:58] <Desolate> well right now, ubuntu isn't even recognizing any wireless devices
[01:58] <Lowry> Is the shares folder working in hoary ppc?  My password is rejected
[01:58] <kapputu> ok
[01:58] <kapputu> what wireless card do you have ?
[01:59] <Desolate> it's not a card, it's an external wireless adapter
[01:59] <kapputu> oh
[01:59] <jdub> Lowry: run 'sudo shares-admin' at the command line
[01:59] <kapputu> hmm I don't have much experience with that
[01:59] <Desolate> a microsoft one at that :p
[01:59] <jdub> Lowry: that's new, hasn't had sudo integration
[01:59] <kapputu> you might want to ask someone else, I'm sorry
[01:59] <Desolate> alright, np
[02:00] <kapputu> also try to stay away from Microsoft products in the future
[02:00] <Desolate> yeah, why do you think I'm installing linux? :p
[02:00] <Desolate> I've learned my lesson :)
[02:00] <kapputu> good
[02:00] <kapputu> everyone does !!
[02:00] <kapputu> I learnt mine three weeks back
[02:01] <Lowry> thx
[02:01] <kapputu> haven't gone back to windows ever since I installed ubuntu
[02:01] <kapputu> hmm actually I did once and got infected with a blaster worm
[02:01] <kapputu> so good reason not to go back at all
[02:01] <jazzka> what about vnc + ubuntu? there's nothing on the web
[02:02] <jdub> jazzka: what are you looking for?
[02:03] <ogra> jazzka: integrated already ;)
[02:03] <jazzka> jdub, I would like to connect to my ubuntu pc, from other linuxes and windows
[02:03] <jazzka> ogra, but how can I start the server?
[02:03] <jdub> jazzka: computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop
[02:05] <valeria> ogra now it works thank you
[02:05] <jdub> ogra: yes.
[02:05] <ogra> valeria: thanlk jdub
[02:06] <ogra> jdub: ouch
[02:06] <ogra> jdub: should be blocked....
[02:06] <wasabi> Upgrading from evolution in Warty to Evolution in Hoary invalidates any panel launchers for it. (/usr/bin/evolution-2.0 -> /usr/bin/evolution).
[02:07] <mat|work> is there a graphical tool to manage runlevel services in ubuntu warty? I thought I could do it with gnome-system-tools but there is no services-admin
[02:07] <jdub> wasabi: only one is broken
[02:07] <jdub> mat|work: no, it's not supported or included
[02:07] <wasabi> to be or not to be?
[02:08] <Drago> ogra, no luck
[02:08] <mat|laptop> jdub: and is this planned ? :)
[02:08] <ogra> Drago: but you could boot now ?
[02:08] <Drago> yeah
[02:08] <ogra> Drago: did you try all three....
[02:08] <Drago> yes
[02:08] <jdub> mat|laptop: ideally, we won't have the standard g-s-t services editor
[02:09] <Drago> I'm currently booted under pci=noacpi
[02:10] <ogra> Drago: so i'm really at the end now......if neither of them help, please file a bug, i dont know what else your friend did to your system....so i have no idea how to help
[02:10] <Drago> he said he only installed sane-backend
[02:11] <Drago> but it didn't work straight from a fresh install cause that was one of the things I tried to do first
[02:11] <ogra> Darg: it should work out of the box, if it doesnt it is a bug and must get fixed....but now you tweaked your system.....
[02:12] <ogra> Drago: i dont know if he changed _any_ config ....created devices and so on ...... we could run this task for ages and wouldnt come to an end
[02:12] <Drago> I'm talking to him as we speak
[02:13] <mat|laptop> jdub: related question: is rcconf supported / will it work at all ?
[02:13] <ogra> Drago: make sure your system is in a state as it was after install, then file a bug please
[02:14] <jdub> mat|laptop: rcconf is in universe now, no one's proposed it for supported
[02:15] <bob2> rcconf has some serious issues
[02:15] <bob2> sysv-rc-conf is the replacement in debian, iirc
[02:16] <mat|laptop> ah
[02:16] <mat|laptop> I haven' usedmk
[02:16] <mat|laptop> err
[02:16] <mat|laptop> I haven't used debian for years :)
[02:19] <Desolate> does anyone happen to have any experience with connecting a linux pc to a wireless windows network?
[02:20] <hypa7ia> Desolate: i'm on that setup right now
[02:20] <Desolate> alright, cool
[02:20] <Desolate> well, I have a bit of a dillema
[02:20] <hypa7ia> err, scratch that, minus the windows
[02:20] <Desolate> ah :p
[02:20] <hypa7ia> but might still be able to help
[02:20] <hypa7ia> what's the dilemma?
[02:21] <Desolate> ok
[02:21] <Desolate> well, I have a linksys router running the network
[02:21] <Desolate> and a (yes, I know, it's sad) microsoft wireless adapter (USB port)
[02:21] <Desolate> now the problem is, that wireless adapter requires a certain software to be installed
[02:22] <Desolate> but being microsoft, there's no way that software can be installed on a linux plataform
[02:22] <Desolate> ergo, I'm mostly screwed :P
[02:22] <hypa7ia> Desolate: have you had a look at ndiswrapper?
[02:23] <seek187> Ahhh how to get fix nautilus from going slow in hoary?
[02:23] <Desolate> not as far as I know
[02:23] <Desolate> what is it?
[02:23] <jdub> seek187: when you upgraded, did you install gamin?
[02:23] <seek187> dont know let me see
[02:24] <seek187> no just libgamin0
[02:24] <hypa7ia> Desolate: it's a wrapper for windows drivers
[02:24] <punkass> install it..should fix the slow problem
[02:24] <seek187> ok
[02:25] <Desolate> and what exactly does that do?
[02:25] <seek187> brb
[02:26] <punkass> you use it to load the windows inf file for your wireless card...
[02:26] <Desolate> ah
[02:26] <Desolate> it's not a wireless card per se
[02:26] <Desolate> but I guess it'll do
[02:27] <punkass> nope thats why hypa7ia called it a wrapper
[02:27] <punkass> it can run quite a few different wireless cards
[02:27] <seek187> ahhh that's much better thanks!
[02:27] <punkass> you just need the correct inf file
[02:27] <Desolate> and how do I know which one is the correct?
[02:27] <punkass> read.. :)
[02:28] <punkass> i believe the ndiswrapper site has a list of cards it works with
[02:28] <hypa7ia> Desolate: is it a usb adapter, or an ethernet adapter?
[02:28] <Desolate> usb adapter
[02:29] <amathis> is quake in apt-get?
[02:29] <amathis> and does it work?
[02:29] <punkass> quake2 is and not sure if it works
[02:30] <hypa7ia> Desolate: gimme the model and i'll have a poke around for you :-)
[02:30] <ogra> night
[02:30] <punkass> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List
[02:30] <punkass> that is the list of cards it works with
[02:31] <Desolate> hypa7ia: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=6743a1c0-7f1c-4e73-ac65-25250ea0b14f&type=ovr
[02:31] <Desolate> punkass: as I said, it's not a card...
[02:31] <punkass> well they make refernce to chipsets aswell
[02:32] <grape> Drago: any luck with usb?
[02:35] <Drago> grape: nope.
[02:37] <punkass> Desolate: well from what i can see so far you need the linux-wlan-ng package
[02:37] <Desolate> hmm
[02:37] <hypa7ia> Desolate: give that a try, if it doesn't work maybe look at the linuxant driverloader
[02:37] <hypa7ia> http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/
[02:38] <Desolate> got an url handy for linux-wlan-ng?
[02:38] <punkass> its in apt-get
[02:38] <punkass> just use synaptic to install
[02:39] <punkass> looks like the mn-510 uses the prism2 chipset set and i believe that its pretty well supported
[02:40] <Desolate> hmm, can't find linux-wlan-ng in synaptic package manager
[02:40] <punkass> ah you may need universe
[02:40] <punkass> yeah its in universe
[02:40] <punkass> have to add that to your repository list
[02:41] <Desolate> that's gonna be hard without an internet connection :P
[02:41] <punkass> just add universe after main restriced
[02:41] <Desolate> oh
[02:41] <grape> oooh there is "badness" in this box!! eek!!
[02:41] <punkass> well you are going to have to get it to your comp somehow
[02:42] <punkass> can you not use a lan cable for now?
[02:42] <Desolate> believe it or not, the pc doesn't have an ethernet port :P
[02:42] <punkass> doh
[02:42] <gen> blasphemy
[02:42] <hypa7ia> that's crazy :-p
[02:42] <grape> that's badness
[02:42] <Desolate> lol, yeah
[02:42] <grape> hehe
[02:43] <Desolate> it's not even that old either
[02:43] <hypa7ia> yeah, i tried installing ubu without a net connection.  it didn't work out.
[02:43] <Desolate> has 4 years or so
[02:43] <gen> my p133 has a eth card
[02:43] <hypa7ia> Desolate: is buying a 10$ eth card an option? :-)
[02:43] <Desolate> myeah, I guess
[02:43] <punkass> well dont know what to tell ya..except for hya7ia suggestion
[02:43] <Desolate> but even then, I'm nowhere near close to the router
[02:44] <punkass> well you could get the deb off the web via this comp
[02:44] <punkass> stick it on a disk
[02:44] <Desolate> ah
[02:44] <punkass> then copy it over
[02:44] <Desolate> could I connect the ubuntu pc to this laptop via an ethernet cable?
[02:44] <Desolate> or would that not work?
[02:45] <punkass> you need a straight through lan cable i believe
[02:45] <Desolate> hmm
[02:45] <punkass> instead of a crossover cable, which is normal (i think :)
[02:45] <Desolate> alright, well I'll try getting universe into this pc
[02:45] <Desolate> and transfering it
[02:45] <punkass> one sec
[02:45] <Desolate> is that possible?
[02:45] <punkass> oh are u running ubuntu on this laptop?
[02:45] <Desolate> no
[02:46] <punkass> ok one sec..ill fire you a link
[02:46] <Desolate> thanks
[02:46] <seek187> can the radeon drivers do opengl?
[02:47] <punkass> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb
[02:47] <cuga> seek187: thats about all it can do ;)
[02:47] <calc> seek187: nope only directx
[02:47] <cuga> lol
[02:48] <seek187> lol
[02:48] <Desolate> great, thanks punkass
[02:48] <seek187> so could it play quake3?
[02:48] <punkass> np
[02:48] <gen> q3 is 20 yrs old
[02:48] <zenwhen> um
[02:48] <mjg59> seek187: Depends on the Radeon
[02:49] <mjg59> seek187: Newer Radeons need you to use the fgrlx drivers from ATI
[02:49] <zenwhen> What card are we talking about?
[02:49] <mjg59> They're included with Ubuntu, but less well tested than the free drivers
[02:49] <seek187> mjg59, ok thx
[02:49] <seek187> 9200
[02:49] <zenwhen> oh
[02:49] <calc> any card up to 9200 will work with the free drivers
[02:49] <mjg59> 9200 will work fine with the free drivers
[02:49] <zenwhen> fglrx then
[02:49] <punkass> Desolate: you need to have wireless tools installed too...might want to check that out
[02:49] <seek187> ok
[02:49] <calc> 9500+ need fglrx
[02:49] <seek187> so 9200 will work?
[02:49] <Desolate> got a link? :)
[02:49] <zenwhen> i thought it was 8500+
[02:49] <mjg59> Just install ubuntu and you ought to get openGL immediately
[02:49] <mjg59> zenwhen: No
[02:49] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:49] <punkass> that one should be on the install cd
[02:49] <zenwhen> Why would you use the free drivers
[02:49] <gen> 8500 brings bad memories to mind
[02:50] <punkass> or maybe already installed
[02:50] <seek187> yeah glxgears work fine
[02:50] <zenwhen> If oyu wanted to play a game
[02:50] <mjg59> zenwhen: Because we have the source code to debug them
[02:50] <zenwhen> you*
[02:50] <calc> the 8500 i had hardware issues
[02:50] <zenwhen> Well
[02:50] <calc> i returned it and got a 7500
[02:50] <seek187> im just wanted to play ET
[02:50] <gen> calc: is my point
[02:50] <zenwhen> I know why the distro would use them
[02:50] <Desolate> ok
[02:50] <zenwhen> I wonder why a user would use them.
[02:50] <gen> 8500 had many many many issues upon arrival
[02:50] <mjg59> zenwhen: For laptops, this is going to be much more of an issue when we start supporting suspend/resume
[02:50] <mjg59> The fgrlx drivers are probably not going to work
[02:50] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:50] <calc> gen: on mine the video had EMI issues, lots of pixel shake at high res, etc
[02:50] <mjg59> The ATI ones will, because we can fix them to
[02:50] <Desolate> now, punkass, I've got linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb on the linux pc
[02:50] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:50] <Desolate> what's next?
[02:51] <Desolate> it's just sitting on the desktop atm :P
[02:51] <zenwhen> I hope oyu dont make it too hard to use the fglrx drivers
[02:51] <punkass> have to run it from command line
[02:51] <zenwhen> because oyu will put off a lot of users
[02:51] <punkass> so open a terminal
[02:51] <zenwhen> you*
[02:51] <Desolate> uhuh
[02:51] <calc> i have a 9600 now but don't use 3d
[02:51] <Desolate> and then? :P
[02:51] <zenwhen> Thats nice, but plenty of people do.
[02:51] <punkass> then: sudo dpkg -i Desktop/yourfile.deb
[02:52] <mjg59> zenwhen: No, we won't make it hard
[02:52] <zenwhen> Oh alright
[02:52] <mjg59> It just probably won't be the default, because it's harder for us to support
[02:52] <zenwhen> Thats what I was wondering.
[02:52] <punkass> yourfile.deb of course = the wlan file
[02:52] <nimc> calc, u used radeon 7500 with ubuntu ?? i cannot get fglrx to work with it.....
[02:52] <zenwhen> I dont even have an ATi card anymore.
[02:52] <zenwhen> But I set up a lot of folks on ubuntu with Radeons
[02:52] <gen> im using a old geforce 2 gts right now heh
[02:52] <zenwhen> Its really a great OS for computer newbs
[02:53] <ben> wo
[02:53] <mjg59> nimc: Do they support the 7500?
[02:53] <zenwhen> free yes
[02:53] <zenwhen> non-free no
[02:53] <ben> go into firefox, type about:config and turn off the ipv6 dns stuff
[02:53] <ben> holy moley it makes things faster
[02:53] <zenwhen> oh
[02:53] <zenwhen> yeah
[02:53] <zenwhen> whrere did you see thta tip
[02:53] <encryptio> that's why my browsing was so slow...
[02:53] <ben> on the boards
[02:53] <zenwhen> where*
[02:53] <nimc> mjg59, officially on ati it doesnt seem so, but ubuntu wiki imply that they do
[02:53] <zenwhen> Yeah
[02:53] <mjg59> nimc: The fglrx drivers don't work with the 7500, as far as I know
[02:53] <zenwhen> did you get the tip from a screenshot?
[02:54] <mjg59> nimc: The performance of the free drivers is about as good as you'll get on a Radeon that old
[02:54] <ben> zenwhen, no...it's a topic on the boards, the post-installation how-to, i believe
[02:54] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:54] <zenwhen> lol
[02:54] <calc> nimc: no i got rid of my 7500 a few years ago
[02:54] <nimc> mjg59, on windows the radeon 7500 with good drivers does pretty well...
[02:54] <calc> nimc: i have a 9600 in my desktop and laptop now
[02:54] <nimc> calc ok
[02:55] <encryptio> whoa, thx ben o_O
[02:55] <mjg59> nimc: The free drivers will be pretty good as well
[02:55] <ben> welcome ;)
[02:55] <punkass> ben is it just the one setting?
[02:55] <ben> punkass, yeah
[02:55] <punkass> cool thanks
[02:55] <nimc> i'd love to try ati binary drivers.... but it gets stuck on 'sudo modprobe fglrx' with device not found
[02:55] <encryptio> just filter for "ipv
[02:55] <encryptio> "
[02:55] <ben> it's network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to 'true
[02:55] <ben> '
[02:56] <nimc> mjg59, i'm using the free driver... i get like 200 fps in glxgears
[02:56] <punkass> yeah got it
[02:57] <mjg59> nimc: Hrm. That's less than I'd expect. If you run glxinfo, does it say that it's using direct rendering?
[02:57] <nimc> hmm it doesnt say anything, just give fps lines in the terminal
[02:58] <tolstoya> anyone else have troubles with the smp kernel for hoary?
[02:59] <nimc> it's on ibm a31p laptop, which is 2ghz pentium4 and radeon7800 (which has same cheap as 7500, perhaps clocked higher)
[02:59] <nimc> mjg59, how to get it to use direct rendering ?
[02:59] <mjg59> nimc: glxinfo, not glxgears
[02:59] <nimc> ahh ooooops
[03:00] <nimc> direct rendering: No
[03:00] <mjg59> Ah :)
[03:00] <mjg59> That would be why it's slow, then
[03:00] <mjg59> I'm afraid I'm just going to bed, so I can't track that down now
[03:00] <mjg59> 2AM here...
[03:00] <nimc> oh :(
[03:01] <nimc> ok.... thanks
[03:01] <Lowry> later
[03:03] <WX> anyone here using a WMP54G PCI card for wireless?
[03:14] <tom_> hello
[03:15] <tom_> is anyone actually here???
[03:15] <seek187> ?
[03:15] <occy> anyone here use KDE on Ubuntu?
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> occy: you can do it
[03:16] <tom_> not me atm but i would love to get some kde games on it if nothing else
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not recommended
[03:16] <jdub> it's not discouraged...
[03:16] <occy> HrdwrBoB, heh
[03:16] <occy> You can walk into that boobie trap, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[03:17] <occy> heyaz Safari_Al
[03:17] <occy> I've been meaning to run for the Gnome Board for years.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[03:18] <occy> part of knowing how to make gnome better is always keeping an eye on what other desktops are doing :)
[03:18] <occy> :P
[03:19] <occy> I'm guessing there aren't any meta packages for kde 3.3 then.
[03:20] <Safari_Al> occy, hi mate!
[03:20] <occy> Safari_Al, ltns :)
[03:20] <Safari_Al> occy, didn't expect to see you here.  How's it been going?
[03:21] <occy> going great bubba
[03:21] <Safari_Al> Fantastic.
[03:21] <occy> Safari_Al, don't know if you know... but I'm training for a Marathon
[03:21] <occy> less than 90 days away
[03:21] <occy> did my first 17 mile run last Sunday :)
[03:22] <occy> http://occy.net/schedule2.html
[03:22] <Safari_Al> occy, nice work.  Marathon is 40 miles, right?
[03:22] <occy> 26.2 miles
[03:22] <Safari_Al> Ah.  Probably 40km then.
[03:22] <occy> 10k = 6.2 miles
[03:22] <occy> too much math for me. :)
[03:22] <Safari_Al> occy, I used to be into middle/long-distance running,  not much beyond about 10km though.
[03:23] <occy> Safari_Al, ahh, right on.  10k's are super fun.
[03:23] <occy> great distance.
[03:23] <Safari_Al> occy, what sort average time per km are you doing atm?
[03:23] <occy> hmmm
[03:23] <Safari_Al> oh crap
[03:23] <Safari_Al> that will probably require maths :P
[03:23] <occy> yeah...
[03:23] <occy> hehe
[03:23] <occy> I can pull off an 8min/mile
[03:24] <occy> but need to keep it to around 10min/mile
[03:24] <occy> hehe
[03:24] <Safari_Al> 8min mile.
[03:24] <Safari_Al> ok
[03:24] <occy> silly metric people.
[03:25] <occy> I've done my mile in 6mins before
[03:25] <occy> heh
[03:25] <occy> but I can't hold that pace for very long.
[03:25] <Safari_Al> I went for my first run in about 4 years a couple of weeks ago
[03:25] <Safari_Al> averaged a tad over 4min/km over about 6km
[03:25] <occy> sweet
[03:25] <Safari_Al> got me pretty tired out :>
[03:26] <occy> I'm more about finishing the distances now than I am actually trying to race.
[03:26] <Safari_Al> yeah
[03:26] <occy> I'm also signed up for my first Ironman.
[03:26] <Safari_Al> Is that a swim & run?
[03:26] <occy> 2.4 mile swim,  112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run
[03:26] <occy> in under 17hrs
[03:26] <Safari_Al> ooh triathalon
[03:26] <Safari_Al> but
[03:26] <Safari_Al> what are these "miles" of which you speak?
[03:26] <occy> hehehe
[03:27] <Safari_Al> How are you at swimming?
[03:27] <occy> http://fitgeek.org/
[03:27] <occy> Pretty good...
[03:27] <occy> I'm up to a 2 mile swim so far
[03:27] <occy> not one word on the kings measurement
[03:27] <occy> ;)
[03:28] <occy> err s/on/about/
[03:28] <occy> let's just put it this way....  it's a buttload of work.
[03:28] <Safari_Al> yeah no doubt about that.
[03:28] <desp> any ideas why gvim refuses to remember the font/color scheme settings?
[03:28] <occy> you are essentially(mortals) going straight at it for anywhere from 14hrs to 17hrs
[03:29] <occy> 14hrs is an insane time.
[03:29] <Safari_Al> Certainly.
[03:29] <occy> I'd be happy to make it in around 16hrs (well, as long as it's under 16hrs 59 mins and 59 seconds.
[03:29] <occy> the cut off is 17hrs
[03:29] <Safari_Al> ah
[03:29] <occy> anyhoo... other than that, not doing too much
[03:30] <occy> desp, sorry, no clue there.
[03:30] <Safari_Al> occy, where are you working atm?
[03:30] <occy> ugh
[03:30] <occy> oh
[03:30] <occy> Well, I've been sorta out of work still.
[03:30] <occy> heh
[03:30] <Safari_Al> Too bad.
[03:30] <occy> over 2 1/2 years now.
[03:31] <occy> I'm doing some contract stuff that is helping keep our head above water.  (that and living on savings)
[03:31] <occy> but... need to find full-time employement soon.
[03:31] <amathis> occy~ how is ti ?
[03:31] <marcdm> Hail to all
[03:31] <occy> All I seem to be talented for these days though is building websites.
[03:31] <Safari_Al> occy, come to .au.  we're looking for new linux system engineers :P
[03:31] <marcdm> I need some major help installing ubuntu
[03:31] <occy> Safari_Al, heh
[03:32] <occy> amathis, what's that bub?
[03:32] <amathis> occy~ how is the band?
[03:32] <occy> ahhhh
[03:32] <marcdm> I'm get a failure when it tries to install initrd
[03:32] <occy> I thought you were saying that.... but didn't know if it was:   s/ti/it/
[03:32] <occy> heh
[03:32] <occy> http://theinterference.com/ </pimp>
[03:32] <amathis> :P
[03:32] <occy> still going.
[03:32] <occy> lost our old drummer, picked up a new one.
[03:32] <marcdm> already tried with....
[03:33] <Safari_Al> occy, so you are using ubuntu a bit now?
[03:33] <marcdm> could the fact that lilo was installed in the MBR have anything to do with it?
[03:33] <occy> Safari_Al, for desktop... it wouldn't install on my laptop.  Need to retry the final release version.
[03:34] <occy> amathis, thanks for asking.
[03:34] <occy> amathis, and caring :)
[03:34] <amathis> occy~ amathis == pyrobunny, BTW
[03:34] <robertj> is Evolution broke for other hoary users?
[03:34] <occy> amathis, ahhhh, man of 1000 nicks
[03:34] <amathis> occy~ heh.
[03:34] <bob2> robertj: they'd have reported it to the bts if it was :)
[03:35] <occy> Ubuntu is nice, Jdub+crew has done some great work.
[03:35] <occy> if they had a clue though, they'd hire me on full-time to make it the most kick ass distro on the planet.
[03:35] <occy> I know I could.
[03:35] <occy> :)
[03:35] <occy> I could take out Tuomas, Garrett, and Jakub in one swoop
[03:35] <occy> *chuckle*
[03:35] <bob2> there are bounties on offer
[03:35] <bob2> have a shot and prove your awesomeness
[03:36] <occy> bob2, heh, shush ;)
[03:36] <occy> bob2, and howdy ;)
[03:36] <Safari_Al> occy, I have to get back to the study now.  but it was good to catch up.  all the best for the 'thon :)
[03:36] <occy> Safari_Al, okies bud.    I still love those Songs you gave me.  Great stuff.  I listen to em' at least once a week or so.
[03:38] <occy> marcdm, let me read.
[03:38] <amathis> occy~ I didn't give you any songs... *wink wink*
[03:38] <occy> amathis, nod nod
[03:38] <occy> marcdm, :/  Seems a bit over my head.  :(
[03:38] <bob2> marcdm: you're doing a default install?
[03:38] <seek187> Anyone ever tried installing enemy-territory?
[03:39] <marcdm> I"m trying to install Warthog on a machine that previously had slackware 10 with lilo installed in the MBR
[03:39] <occy> night night gang.
[03:39] <marcdm> I'm doing nothing fancy with the WW install
[03:39] <marcdm> actually, I'm duplicating the install that I did 3 days ago in VMWare
[03:39] <bob2> marcdm: defaults for everythig?
[03:39] <marcdm> using the same ISO that I downloaded. this is before I burnt it to CD
[03:40] <marcdm> everything except country.
[03:40] <marcdm> I select Jamaica for country.
[03:40] <marcdm> everything else is default
[03:41] <marcdm> pretty basic machine. AMD K62 500, SIS900 NIC, CMedia Sound, Sis or trident video. (don't remember)
[03:41] <overflow> Hey, Is not ubuntu looking for developers ? I would love to be paid for build a distro :)
[03:41] <marcdm> I want to work with Ubuntu.... except Fedora (buggy) it's the only other GNome Distro I've liked
[03:43] <marcdm> on my machine I use Suse with Gnome 2.8. I prefer ubuntu. But I need this machine up and running tonite...
[03:43] <gen> tonite
[03:44] <marcdm> I'm just thinking now that maybe it's Lilo in the MBR making trouble. So I'm going to run over and execute fdisk /mbr and see what happens
[03:44] <bob2> ubuntu will nuke the mbr
[03:44] <bob2> and install gnome
[03:45] <Rotund> ubuntu need gstreamer-ffmpeg
[03:45] <robertj> hrmm, I really like Disk Manager, it would be great if it had a "Copy" button for each disk too
[03:45] <Rotund> I can't find any .deb packages for it
[03:45] <gen> what exactly does gstreamer do
[03:46] <marcdm> when you say it will Nuke it, when exactly does this happen?
[03:46] <Rotund> it's like directshow on Windows
[03:46] <gen> marcdm: after install, before first reboot
[03:46] <marcdm> the last 4 times I tried the install with different variations of CDs, CD-Rom drives, and RAM it failed when installing initrd
[03:46] <robertj> gen: it's a multimedia framework which converts between different formats and allows you to redirect audio into filters, over the net, or whatever, and eventually out into speakers/screen
[03:46] <robertj> mac: check your disk
[03:52] <seek187> would anyone know why I get a blank screen when trying to run enemy-territory?
[04:05] <Ruffian|Q|> Hmmm, im thinking of running Ubuntu on my PPC,  but i dont want to overwrite OS9.2
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> does anyone talk in this channel anymore?
[04:07] <amathis> Ruffian|Q|~ yes you do.
[04:07] <amathis> you do want to overwrite OS9.2
[04:07] <amathis> :)
[04:07] <grape> hehe
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> no, I dont
[04:07] <grape> :-P
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> as much as I hate it, I dont
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> im thinking about it actually
[04:07] <amathis> don't think first.
[04:08] <Ruffian|Q|> I dont know how to even boot from CD
[04:08] <amathis> do first, think later.
[04:08] <Ruffian|Q|> in Mac
[04:08] <grape> thinking bad
[04:08] <grape> beer first
[04:08] <grape> then wipe disk
[04:08] <amathis> call your padre.
[04:08] <amathis> pray for it.
[04:09] <Ruffian|Q|> hmmm, I think I might
[04:09] <Ruffian|Q|> Will Ubuntu detect my ZIP drive?
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> usb?
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> nope
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> Its internal
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> its on my PPC
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> ide
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> i think
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> yea, it should
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> would mount
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> good
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> under '/mnt/sda1
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> or similar
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> just mount it like a floppy?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> it should do that
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:11] <grape> anyone know where a config file for ez-ipupdate is?
[04:11] <Ruffian|Q|> and what about my monitor?  Mac OS 9.2 would only let it go to 640x480......... Is taht the only Resolution I can have on it with Ubuntu PPC?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|Q|: er.. what resolution is it running it
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> in
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> 640x480
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> I cant change it
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> OS 9.2 wont let me
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> in ubuntu
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> install it and you will know
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> aaaaah
[04:13] <seek187> what package would artsdsp be in?
[04:13] <Ruffian|Q|> lol, What about my single button mouse?  Like, how will I do stuff
[04:13] <marcdm> ubuntu Runs on a Mac?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> F11 and F12
[04:13] <tom_> ruffian its always a good idea to begin with a live cd version if one is available
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> middle and second button
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> marcdm: yes
[04:13] <marcdm> I absolutely love the look and feel of the Powerbook
[04:13] <bob2> marcdm: of course
[04:13] <seek187> nevermind figured it out :)
[04:13] <marcdm> but I don't use many apps that Run on a Mac
[04:14] <marcdm> I really should read some more.
[04:14] <Ruffian|Q|> tom_, no PPC Live version
[04:14] <wasabi> Does Ubuntu have gst-python anywhere?
[04:14] <billytwowilly> upgrading to xorg messed up my touch pad. The right hand side no longer acts as a scroll bar
[04:14] <marcdm> anywho... update on my current problem.. (HwBob, maybe you can help)
[04:14] <bob2> wasabi: I think it requires a newer version of gst than is currently in sid
[04:14] <marcdm> I'm trying to replace a slackware 10 system with a warthog
[04:15] <bob2> billytwowilly: did you install the synaptics module for x.org?
[04:15] <wasabi> bob2, darn.
[04:15] <tom_> ruff if there is no lice cd ubuntu for ppc then see if another distro has one and check out your system that way ... its a cheap way of finding out stuff painlessly
[04:15] <billytwowilly> bob2, probably not. Thanks
[04:15] <crimsun> wasabi: you can always pull deb-src from sid and recompile
[04:15] <marcdm> I think I forgot Lilo in the MBR that caused ubuntu install to fail when installing initrd
[04:15] <wasabi> Yeah.
[04:15] <bob2> wasabi: (it should be on the top of jdub's things to do list)
[04:15] <bob2> marcdm: no, ubuntu installs grub to the mbr
[04:15] <jdub> bob2: your mum?
[04:16] <marcdm> now I'm not entirely sure because I just restarted the install after booting with floppy and executing fdisk /mbr
[04:16] <jdub> wasabi: it's in hoary
[04:16] <bob2> oh
[04:16] <marcdm> bob2: it doesn't get to the point of installing grub
[04:16] <wasabi> horreigh!
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> any idea why Ubuntu warty would see my atheros, let me configure it with the gui yet Die at the end?
[04:16] <marcdm> it stops when installing initrd
[04:18] <marcdm> additionally (bob2 you listen), when I was rebooting to run fdisk, I noticed that the bios was reporting the 10GB Hard drive as 541MB
[04:18] <marcdm> so I changed the User setting in the Bios to AUTO and AUTO for mode (the last column in AWARD bios)
[04:19] <marcdm> let's see if it fails this time...
[04:19] <marcdm> going to check on the progress. back in 5
[04:19] <wasabi> configure: error: You need to recompile gst-python with gst.interfaces support Argh.
[04:21] <grape> anyone know how to start sshd on ubuntu?
[04:22] <bob2> install openssh-server
[04:22] <grape> DOH
[04:22] <grape> thanks
[04:23] <marcdm> went into the office next door to see a beautiful RED screen saying failure with unbuntu-base install
[04:24] <carger314> whenever i try to play a dvd with mplayer (in the terminal) it keeps giving me this: libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[04:24] <carger314> what in the world does that mean?
[04:24] <marcdm> it failed when installing initrd-tools
[04:25] <bob2> carger314: mplayer -dvd /dev/hdWHATEVER
[04:25] <bob2> probably, WHATEVER = "c"
[04:25] <bob2> marcdm: did you make sure the cd burnt ok?
[04:25] <marcdm> I went to terminal 3 and .. it doesn't say much. Just says everything else worked up to initrd-tools
[04:25] <GotD0t> carger314: it means mplayer is looking at a nonexistant drive
[04:25] <carger314> ah
[04:25] <grape> if I can ssh into this box, should I be able to get a remote desktop?
[04:25] <marcdm> well, I used k3b with data verification. And I've used the ubuntu "verify cd" option in the menu
[04:26] <GotD0t> anybody know how i can burn a DVD image?
[04:26] <grape> i never did that live gui stuff before ;-)
[04:26] <marcdm> nothing failed
[04:26] <desp> does gmail work in firefox?
[04:26] <GotD0t> yea
[04:26] <marcdm> is there any way to install accross the network?
[04:26] <alakdan> anybody here with ubuntu packages for enlightenment 0.16.7 ?
[04:26] <marcdm> bob2:is there any way to install accross the network?
[04:26] <bob2> marcdm: check the md5sum of the cd
[04:26] <bluewheel> desp : yep I use it
[04:27] <bob2> desp: yes
[04:27] <bluewheel> but they are now going to roll out POP3, maybe IMAP even
[04:27] <desp> strange. I can't see the login/pass fields on the entry page
[04:27] <tom_> marcdm you probably ought at this stage to do an md5sum on that cd rather than relying on gui
[04:27] <bob2> desp: wait for a bit
[04:27] <desp> bluewheel: yeah I am reading /.
[04:27] <marcdm> ok kool. How do I do that?
[04:27] <bob2> alakdan: has ljlane packaged it for sid yet?
[04:27] <marcdm> (sorry to sound dumb)
[04:27] <bob2> marcdm: "md5sum /dev/cdrom"
[04:27] <GotD0t> bluewheel: im certain that POP3 support wont be around for long... unless they can figure out how to deliver the ads through that
[04:27] <marcdm> forget it, I'll search
[04:27] <tom_> do you have the correct md5sum value?
[04:27] <desp> bob2: I've been waiting for a bit already, firefox seems stuck at the "Connecting to google.com..." phase
[04:27] <bob2> where is this gmail pop3 thing everyone is talking about?
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> pop3 would only be offered if the messages had ads tacked on
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> I daresay
[04:28] <desp> is there an easy way to upgrade to firefox 1.0 in warty?
[04:28] <bob2> desp: works for me now
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> the money has to come from SOMEWHERE
[04:28] <desp> bob2: are you using 1.0?
[04:28] <bob2> desp: get the tarball from mozilla.org, install to ~/ or /usr/local/
[04:28] <bob2> desp: no
[04:29] <alakdan> bob2: you mean for debian? will it be ok to include unstable sources list to ubuntus apt-sources list?
[04:29] <desp> I see. okay
[04:29] <bob2> alakdan: no, it won't
[04:29] <bob2> alakdan: are there packages in sid or not?
[04:30] <alakdan> bob2: not sure. but someone from #e referred me to this link deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[04:32] <Keybuk> hmm?  packages built for Debian unstable should largely work on Ubuntu
[04:32] <Xenguy> feedback for developers (as promised) for any Ubuntu developers who happen to be listening (based on 2 separate installs, last night and tonight)...
[04:32] <Keybuk> the problem is putting Debian *itself* in the sources.list -- because APT doesn't know which packages to pick when they're the same version
[04:32] <Keybuk> from other non-Debian/non-Ubuntu sources, it's ok
[04:32] <bluewheel> does anyone know if the stock ubuntu kernels work with cpu frequency scaling, it seems to be supported but i am not able to change the scaling_min_freq or even set it when i use usersapce, same for powersave
[04:32] <bluewheel> i am trying it by echoing in the values
[04:33] <bluewheel> and root does have write access to the files
[04:33] <Keybuk> bluewheel: it works ok here ... do you have the right module for your CPU loaded ?
[04:33] <seek187> How come in linux firefox the middle mouse will open tabs but when you try to close tabs with the middle mouse it goes back or something?
[04:33] <bluewheel> Keybuk, yea powermac
[04:33] <Xenguy> Networking: I have a feeling Ubu would perform like a champ with DHCP, but my setup at home is static IP.  For some reason I've been unable to get a working net connection established (tried pppoeconfig, and manual config file tweaking)...
[04:34] <arun--> what are the good big screen laptops, big i mean by resolution, i am tired of 1024x768
[04:34] <Keybuk> bluewheel: no idea about mac, speedstep-centrino works ok for me
[04:34] <Keybuk> (on a P-M, obviously :p)
[04:34] <bluewheel> Keybuk, ok thanks :-)
[04:34] <bluewheel> i'll keep looking
[04:34] <Xenguy> this in spite of the fact that I have a working debian/sid 2 box network up and running with firewall and NAT (tho I admit I am no networking expert by any means)...
[04:35] <tom_> Xenguy dfe works a charm with dhcp
[04:35] <arun--> bluewheel, i think the CPU should support frequency scaling
[04:35] <Xenguy> Networking (cont) So I think that the networking for static IP's is weak currently and could use some work...
[04:35] <arun--> my centrino works fine
[04:36] <tom_> Xenguy if you have not seen this its worth a look http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
[04:37] <Xenguy> Grub: With install #1 I overwrote my MBR with grub's configuration (it 'saw' the existing Debian/sid install on the other hard drive) - the only problem was that when I tried to boot the existing debian install, grub failed with 'error 21' or some such -- I think grub installation procedure maybe needs to be smoothed out a bit...
[04:37] <Xenguy> brb...
[04:37] <arun--> does any one have any idea regarding freebsd if it still has the 1023 cylinder problem?
[04:38] <bob2> Xenguy: how many hard drives do you have?
[04:38] <bob2> arun--: #freebsd would know
[04:39] <bob2> Xenguy: if you're behind NAT at home, you need to set static settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:40] <Xenguy> back
[04:40] <marcdm> now back to my second original question...
[04:40] <marcdm> is there anyway to install ubuntu accross the network?
[04:40] <bob2> pxe, yes
[04:40] <bob2> did you check the md5sum of the cd?
[04:40] <marcdm> bob2: md5sum of the iso checked out but the cd gave a r/w error
[04:40] <Xenguy> That's my main feedback for now, except for the fact that Ubuntu is amazing work, and I say kudos to you all! :-)
[04:41] <marcdm> md5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error
[04:41] <alakdan> to get the 0.16.7 version of enligthenment, I have added deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/, problem is I now have two versions of enlightenment packages (the other one the ubuntu packages). How do i specifically install the 0.16.7 version using apt-get?
[04:41] <marcdm> pxe install?
[04:41] <crimsun> alakdan: apt-get -tunstable install enlightenment
[04:42] <alakdan> crimsun: thank you
[04:42] <marcdm> bob2: I don't think I need pxe. If it's a cdrom prob. I just want to be able to tell the installer to get the files from an nfs mount
[04:42] <alakdan> :)
[04:43] <bezak> hey guys, i'm having trouble getting my dsl working (an enuriating little problem) I think I know what is wrong im just not sure how to fix it, I connect fine, (i set it up with pppoeconf) and when I type plog (i think thats the command) heres what i get (amongst other stuff but this is the important bit)
[04:43] <bob2> marcdm: that's bad, try another cd
[04:43] <alakdan> crimsun: it does not work :(
[04:43] <bob2> alakdan: it will install the highest-versioned one automatically
[04:43] <bezak> not replacing default rout eth0 (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[04:43] <bob2> bezak: get rid of your default route
[04:43] <tom_> marcdm and if writing another cd make sure you use the pad option
[04:43] <crimsun> alakdan: looks like you need to pin.
[04:43] <bob2> bezak: ie don't have a "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:43] <bezak> bob2: how do i do that?
[04:43] <Xenguy> tom_: re URL above: nice :-)
[04:43] <x0563511> Can i ask a question? (has to do with nvidia)
[04:44] <alakdan> crimsun: pin?
[04:44] <bob2> x0563511: just ask
[04:44] <tom_> xenguy ... you good ol plain english :)
[04:44] <WW> marcdm: FYI: that r/w error sounds like the error I get when I try to burn ISO with Nautilus. See bug #2751 in bugzilla.
[04:44] <tom_> *yeah
[04:44] <bezak> bob2: so just remove any gateway in /etc/network/interfaces should do the trick?
[04:44] <x0563511> OK, apparently ubuntu comes with the nvidia kernel drivers... they were in synaptic. Ive installed them all (nvglx, nvidia-kernel, ect)
[04:44] <Xenguy> bob2: 2 HD's; yes, I was messing with /etc/network/interfaces, but didn't get something just right - not a problem in this case
[04:44] <bob2> bezak: yes
[04:44] <x0563511> but my XF86config is still the default
[04:45] <Xenguy> tom_: hmm?
[04:45] <x0563511> Do i need to do anything except change the nv module to nvidia?
[04:45] <bob2> Xenguy: "man interfaces", then edit it
[04:45] <bezak> bob2: thanks, ill give that a spin *reboots out of os x* :)
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:45] <Xenguy> bob2: nod
[04:45] <x0563511> The readme for the nvidia drivers (on the nvidia site) say to remove some of the extensions...
[04:45] <bob2> Xenguy: your bios may not be able to boot the second one, if that's where ubuntu is
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: ignore that readme
[04:45] <marcdm> WW: I don't know if Nautilus has anything to do with it. Used k3b on a Suse 9.1/Gnome 2.8 system
[04:45] <tom_> Xenguy ... i found that URL directly helpful without it leading to a fortnight of basic research
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: read the url I gave you
[04:45] <x0563511> ok
[04:46] <marcdm> burn another CD, I doubt that's a good idea.
[04:46] <crimsun> alakdan: like bob2 said, it installs the highest version available. You need to pin if you want a different version. man 5 apt_preferences
[04:46] <bob2> alakdan: or apt-get install enlightenment=VERSION
[04:46] <bob2> "apt-cache policy enlightenment" will list available versions
[04:46] <marcdm> I'm somewhat of a believer in the "same action" = "same result" principle
[04:46] <bob2> marcdm: except your cd is fucked
[04:46] <bob2> marcdm: or the cd drive
[04:46] <WW> marcdm: Hmmm, maybe it's not related then.  Nevermind :)
[04:46] <marcdm> exactly.
[04:47] <Xenguy> bob2: I don't think that is a problem now - on install #2 I put grub on /dev/hdc1 (instead of the MBR) and then modifed LILO on HD#1 to include HD#2 as an 'other' OS.  So basically HD1/lilo now points to HD2/grub (if that is what you meant)
[04:47] <bob2> Xenguy: is hda2 hdb?
[04:47] <marcdm> bob2: yeah I kinda thought so too. But I think the burner is more fucked than the CD.
[04:47] <Xenguy> bob2: not that I am aware of, no
[04:47] <marcdm> bob2: that's why I don't want to waste anymore blank CDs
[04:48] <x0563511> bob2, ok, thanks. The readme would have had me remove DRI.
[04:48] <x0563511> bob2, the wiki said to leave it there, but remove GLCore
[04:48] <tom_> marcdm if you have not seen this then you should before trying reburning a cd ... i agree dont just do exactly what you did last time ... do it as this guy says ... it fixed my inconsistent burns
[04:48] <tom_> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
[04:48] <Xenguy> tom_: I see what you mean now - yep :-)
[04:49] <Xenguy> So guys - I'm thinking seriously of doing a 'stealth install' of Ubu at work, and I need yer help on a couple of points =)
[04:50] <Xenguy> I'm thinking of bringing in a 2nd hard drive and adding it to the box at work.  The main thing I don't want to happen is to screw up the NTLDR (W2kPro's bootloader on the MBR)...
[04:50] <alakdan> bob2 crimsun; hmm. apt-cache policy enligthenment  I get the ff: ubuntu based = 1:0.16.6-1 0 and debian unstable from soulmachine.net <IP_ADDRESS>-0cvs20041022
[04:51] <Xenguy> Does anyone here have W2K and Ubu playing nice with each other's boot loaders?
[04:51] <alakdan> it seems apt always choose the old one because of the '1:0' prefix in ubuntu
[04:51] <alakdan> version
[04:51] <florofila> hello =)
[04:51] <bob2> Xenguy: which disk is it then?
[04:51] <tom_> Xenguy its a free universe but stealth linux activuty in a production situation is not gonna endear you to anyone
[04:52] <bob2> Xenguy: does it have a floppy drive?
[04:52] <bob2> alakdan: yes
[04:52] <bob2> alakdan: do the =VERSION thing I said
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: most workplaces dislike you bringing storage devices onsite
[04:52] <alakdan> bob2: did it, thanks a lot!!! :)
[04:53] <Xenguy> bob2: W2K is already installed on HD1 (at work); I want to install Ubu to HD2, *without* f***ing up the W2K boot loader/MBR
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> especially large storage devices
[04:53] <florofila> nobody says hello =(
[04:53] <bob2> alakdan: ah, cool
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: hd1 is not a disk in linux
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: you need to fidn the device names if you want help with the grub problem
[04:53] <Xenguy> tom_ HrdwrBoB : yep I know - but I *think* I know what I am doing in this case -- thanks for the warnings tho
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: as for work, if you really want to subvert your admins, you can boot a usb key or cd or floppy disk and run it from the hard disk
[04:54] <bob2> florofila: one person joins every 20 seconds, if everyone got a hello and goodbye, that's all there would be :)
[04:54] <Xenguy> bob2: sorry for the confusing shorthand (HD == hard drive != hd?)
[04:55] <tom_> bye guys thanks for the company
[04:55] <Ruffian|Q|> Ill prolly use Ubuntu PPC
[04:55] <Xenguy> bob2: as for usb key/cd/floppy -- I'm not sure how to do that -- I really want to install Ubu honestly...
[04:56] <Xenguy> bob2: as for the device names, let's assume it would be something like W2K == /dev/hda1, and Ubu == /dev/hdb1 (is that what you mean?)
[04:57] <florofila> bob2, but nobody say hello
[04:57] <bezak> hi again guys, still no love with the pppoe
[04:57] <florofila> burp nevermind
[04:57] <Xenguy> bob2: yes there is a floppy drive
[04:57] <JDahl> Does fixing openAFS have any priority for Ubuntu?
[04:58] <bezak> i took the gateway out of my /etc/network/interfaces but it didnt make a difference, should there be some reference to ppp0 in my interfaces file?
[04:58] <bob2> Xenguy: you can install ubuntu to a disk, but boot it from a floppy/usb thing.  it's just so yuou don't have to fiddle the windows bootloader
[04:58] <bob2> florofila: as I said...
[04:58] <bob2> JDahl: do you want to help :)
[04:58] <Xenguy> bezak: I was wrestling with the same kind of problem earlier tonight
[04:58] <Xenguy> bezak: no luck here either so far
[04:58] <florofila> is there a channel about ubuntu on spanish?
[04:58] <bob2> bezak: pon should generate it
[04:58] <bob2> florofila: #ubuntu-us
[04:58] <bob2> er, es
[04:59] <JDahl> bob2, atleast I finally got it working... so I wouldnt mind passing on whatever I know
[04:59] <bezak> bob2: hmmm it doesnt seem to have
[04:59] <Xenguy> bob2: ahh, now I see what you are saying -- OK.  usb is out (I don't have one); but floppy would probably work alright
[04:59] <florofila> thanks
[04:59] <bob2> JDahl: cool, could you create a wiki page explaining what you did?
[04:59] <florofila> is ubuntu-es no us =)
[04:59] <bezak> woops
[04:59] <JDahl> bob2, sure
[04:59] <marcdm> tom_: been reading the page you sent me...
[05:00] <bezak> auto eth0 iface eth0 intet static name Ethernet LAN card address <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> broadcast <IP_ADDRESS> network <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:00] <marcdm> tom_: however, cdrecord returns an error...
[05:01] <marcdm> I feel like such a bother.
[05:01] <florofila> alguien habla espaol?
[05:01] <gen> negative
[05:01] <Xenguy> marcdm: I think tom_ is gone (?)
[05:01] <bob2> florofila: this is an english-speaking channel
[05:01] <bezak> un poco :P
[05:01] <florofila> i know
[05:01] <bob2> bezak: is eth0 the one plugged into your dsl modem?
[05:02] <florofila> but in ubuntu-es nobody speak
[05:02] <bezak> bob2: certainly is
[05:02] <bezak> speak louder mb they can't hear you :)
[05:02] <florofila> buta la wea
[05:02] <bob2> florofila: please?
[05:02] <bob2> florofila: there's a spanish mailing list and forum, too
[05:02] <jdub> florofila: estoy buscando mis pantalones
[05:04] <bezak> bob2: is there a way i can manually put my ppp0 in there?
[05:05] <bob2> bezak: do you need to?
[05:05] <Xenguy> bezak: I was wondering the same - ppp0 should hold the IP address, not eth0
[05:05] <bezak> bob2: haha ive got no idea, I just want it to work
[05:06] <Ruffian|Q|> How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?
[05:06] <bezak> hmm its time to order pizza i think
[05:06] <Xenguy> bezak: you would have to mention food wouldn't you :P
[05:06] <florofila> anyway, bye bad guys i think you're more friendly
[05:07] <bezak> ciao
[05:07] <bezak> Xenguy: I can see this takin a while
[05:07] <Xenguy> bezak: patience is everything :-)
[05:07] <Xenguy> and once it's set up (finally) -- it's done :-)
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> anyone here know why the network-admin tool complains about my WEP key?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> they match
[05:08] <bezak> yeah its just when the internet doesnt work its sooo annoying
[05:08] <bezak> i had this problem on a gentoo box one time
[05:08] <bezak> i just installed mandrake haha
[05:08] <gen> you broken my intarweb!!
[05:08] <gen> mandrake is a bloat fest
[05:09] <bezak> urpmi is sweet though
[05:09] <Xenguy> bezak: http://turnofftheinternet.com/  ;-)
[05:09] <bezak> Xenguy: lol
[05:09] <Xenguy> bezak: darn, doesn't work too well with popup-blocker browsers ;-)
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> gen, too true
[05:10] <bezak> Xenguy: safari let it through
[05:10] <Xenguy> hehe
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> bezak: apt is better
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> and i was a staunch supporter of Mandrake for 4 years
[05:10] <bezak> nomasteryo: yeah i havent really used it, except with Fink on the mac.
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:10] <Xenguy> bezak: urpmi is MDK finally catching up to debian, years later ;-)
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:10] <bezak> haha
[05:11] <bezak> mdk control center is nice too
[05:11] <bob2> bezak: how did you get it working under gentoo?
[05:11] <bezak> bob2: lol i didnt i just gave up
[05:11] <bob2> erm, ok
[05:11] <bezak> bob2: im not sure if its the same problem though
[05:11] <bezak> hence the mandrake install
[05:12] <punkass> anyone know why in hoary, when u maximize a window in now covers the panels
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> i ask again, why would my wep key generate an error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "my_wep_key".)
[05:12] <bob2> nomasteryoda: does it work if you set it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:12] <bob2> punkass: has anyone reported that as a bug yet?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> er, isn't the interface for that
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> gui
[05:13] <punkass> not sure..just thought i would ask here first
[05:13] <bob2> nomasteryoda: is that a no?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> er, not looked at that file ...will
[05:13] <bob2> ah
[05:13] <punkass> not sure where my_wep_key is from.. isnt it supposed to be: wireless_key
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> mine is wep
[05:14] <bezak> alright im off to try one more thing before i get pizza
[05:14] <bezak> bbl
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> but yea in the file
[05:14] <gen> PIZZZZ
[05:14] <gen> A
[05:14] <punkass> i know but in interfaces file it is: wireless_key 12341344 or whatever your key is
[05:14] <gen> i had pizza tonight
[05:14] <gen> rocked my world
[05:14] <punkass> hmm about to have a nice big burrito
[05:18] <johnnybezak> the bezak attack is back
[05:18] <johnnybezak> heres how i fixed my little pppoe problem
[05:18] <johnnybezak> route del default
[05:19] <bob2> right
[05:19] <johnnybezak> route add default ppp0
[05:19] <bob2> oh
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> bob2: what if my WEP key is there in the file?
[05:19] <johnnybezak> could someone tell me what that actually does
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> it still throws error
[05:19] <bob2> nomasteryoda: what throws an error?
[05:19] <bob2> johnnybezak: it tells your computer to use the ppp interface as it's default way of accessing the internet
[05:20] <Ruffian|Q|> How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> er, error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "kojak
[05:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: do you know how i can make this happen on boot, ie automagically
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> where kojak is the WEP key
[05:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: so i dont have to do it all the time
[05:20] <bob2> nomasteryoda: don't you need ti give it as hex or something?
[05:20] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: hopefully my fix can help you
[05:20] <bob2> johnnybezak: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> er, in suse i didn'
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> not
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> ok... will try that
[05:22] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i fixed the pppoe problem
[05:22] <johnnybezak> bob2: done
[05:22] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: hrm, interesting
[05:23] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: see above
[05:23] <johnnybezak> brb guys goin to pick up pizza
[05:23] <bob2> johnnybezak: erm, that's odd
[05:23] <bob2> I'm not sure why you're having problems then
[05:24] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: if there are any ubuntu developers listening, then they would probably be interested in this -- obviously this kind of hack shouldn't be necessary to get a basic pppoe connection going
[05:24] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: but hack or not, well done ;-)
[05:27] <bob2> it'd be great if one of you two can file a bug
[05:27] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: could you paste to #flood again by any chance (I'm there now)
[05:28] <Xenguy> bob2: tx for the paste
[05:29] <stuNNed_> man, network-admin is giving me troubles, seems buggy
[05:29] <stuNNed_> and there is no gnome-ppp in warty :(
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> that's because modems are obsolete
[05:29] <bob2> Xenguy: you used pppoeconf, right?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> bob2, thanks
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. yeah sucks
[05:30] <Xenguy> bob2: yes
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> brainblock or something
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> actual hex key made it work
[05:30] <nasdaq4088> arafat is dead
[05:30] <bob2> nomasteryoda: ah
[05:30] <bob2> nasdaq4088: yeah :/
[05:30] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, gives me troubles with wifi as well, is that obsolete?
[05:30] <Xenguy> nasdaq4088: :-(
[05:31] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i know many folks who still use dialup modems...
[05:34] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i just typed route del default then route add default ppp0 then pon
[05:35] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: got it - thanks.  I'm just cross-checking your paste to #flood with my own working debian 'interfaces' file
[05:36] <bob2> do you have ppp0 in your interfaces file?
[05:36] <johnnybezak> bob2: me?
[05:36] <bob2> Xenguy: you
[05:38] <Xenguy> bob2: it seems all my 'eth0' entries are commented out - there are only references to eth1 (my 2nd NIC in the gateway box)
[05:38] <bob2> ahhh
[05:38] <bob2> eth0 is the ppp one?
[05:39] <Xenguy> bob2: yes (if I understand correctly) -- ppp0 uses eth0
[05:39] <Xenguy> bob2: does that make sense?
[05:40] <bob2> yes
[05:41] <Xenguy> bob2: I think you know more about this issue than I do right now :-)
[05:42] <bob2> johnnybezak: try commenting out eth0 completely
[05:43] <Xenguy> bob2: to answer your original question: no I have no references to ppp0 in the interfaces file
[05:43] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah ill give it a go, but for the moment ill go with "if it aint broke dont fix it" hehe time to play with some fun stuff
[05:43] <bob2> Xenguy: cool, thanks
[05:43] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: OK, but it would be nice to solve this issue too (rather than just relax with a workaround), yes?  :-)
[05:44] <bob2> I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it out
[05:44] <bob2> can one of you check that?
[05:44] <Xenguy> bob2: I can test that, but I will disappear from here for a while if I do :-)
[05:44] <bob2> heh
[05:44] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: haha you guys are obviously less lazy than me
[05:45] <bob2> well, when you don't mind dropping off, that would be great
[05:45] <johnnybezak> bob2: what do you want to try?
[05:45] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I'm lazy too, but when the scent is fresh, y'know ... ;-)
[05:45] <johnnybezak> :)
[05:45] <NetSurfAU> I'm a complete novice with Linux.  I'm trying to set Ubuntu up on a L/top that has only a PCMCIA CD Rom & I can't find the right set of floppy's to install Ubuntu from this CD Rom.  HELP!!!  :)
[05:46] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: < bob2> I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it
[05:46] <Xenguy>               out
[05:46] <bob2> NetSurfAU: erm, are you sure there are any ubuntu install floppies at all?
[05:46] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: do you want to test this (are you in Ubu right now?), or shall I?
[05:46] <hypa7ia_> i don't think that there are
[05:47] <tseng> there surely arent, since its on the list for hoary
[05:47] <tseng> why talk about fixing something that isnt broken :)
[05:47] <bob2> yeah, that's what I thought
[05:47] <NetSurfAU> The documentation mentions something about using Debian one's, but I can't find the correct ones there either.
[05:47] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: haha you can :)
[05:48] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: damn, you *are* a lazy bastard ;-)
[05:48] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: hehehe
[05:49] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: are you in ubu now?>
[05:50] <johnnybezak> guys when i try and use the graphical sreen res tool it doesnt have the right screen res, is there anyway to add an option or am i editing xf86.conf??
[05:51] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: nope, debian
[05:51] <bob2> "graphical screen res tool"?
[05:52] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: ok ill do it then
[05:52] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I take back all those nasty things I said  =)
[05:52] <bob2> the gnome randr applet?
[05:52] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: so comment out eth0 in my interfaces config
[05:52] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: yep
[05:53] <Xenguy> (man, Stairway to Heaven still works for me)
[05:53] <marcdm> bob2: Hey
[05:53] <marcdm> wazzup?
[05:53] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: look in flood is this what he means
[05:54] <marcdm> I just got our little red-error screen again. trying to install Ubu
[05:54] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: K, sec
[05:54] <bob2> marcdm: did you burn a non-broken cd yet?
[05:55] <marcdm> actually, I didn't test this one because md5sum in Winxp was fighting the CD... but I just burned this CD with nero
[05:55] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I think we want to ask bob2 if that is what he means
[05:55] <bob2> johnnybezak: no, the last lines, too
[05:55] <bob2> everythign except the two lo lines
[05:55] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok
[05:56] <johnnybezak> alright
[05:56] <johnnybezak> i saved it
[05:56] <johnnybezak> and poffed
[05:56] <johnnybezak> then poned
[05:57] <johnnybezak> and the net works
[05:57] <bob2> cool
[05:57] <johnnybezak> should i try a restart to if everything is ok?
[05:57] <marcdm> bob2: I burned a new CD using nero 6.0.11 in WinXP. It stopped in the same place
[05:57] <marcdm> I'm beginning to think it's a problem with the hard drive
[05:57] <bob2> johnnybezak: if you can, that would be great, but I'm pretty sure it's all good now
[05:58] <johnnybezak> bob2: ill give it a restart
[05:58] <bob2> marcdm: you verified the md5sum of the iso?
[05:58] <johnnybezak> brb
[05:58] <bob2> erm, cd, not iso
[06:00] <Xenguy> marcdm: where does it freeze?
[06:00] <seek187> Where is my local mail located?
[06:00] <marcdm> iso's MD5 checks out.
[06:00] <marcdm> it freezes when it tries to install initrd-tools
[06:01] <Xenguy> marcdm: does it do a 'flashing' routine when it freezes?
[06:01] <johnnybezak> bob2: all systems are go
[06:01] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: woohoo
[06:02] <johnnybezak> hehe
[06:02] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: tx for the lessons learned :-)
[06:02] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i was just going along for the ride
[06:03] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: had no real idea what i was doing
[06:03] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: every little bit helps - truly
[06:03] <johnnybezak> haha
[06:03] <johnnybezak> now to fix X
[06:03] <johnnybezak> in my x config it has the right resolution but that is being overridden by the GUI tool in the computer menu
[06:04] <johnnybezak> anyone know how that thing owrks?
[06:04] <marcdm> Xenguy: no flashing. That was before I changed the cdrom drive
[06:05] <Xenguy> marcdm: OK, I had a problem getting the installation to proceed the first few times I tried -- finally it started to work (I swapped a CD-ROM drive at one point too)
[06:06] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: see you around (booting back into Ubu momentarily)
[06:06] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: yeah catcha man good luck
[06:09] <weasello> when ubuntu is looking for my hostname, that's .. like... google.com, right? (Except my own address)
[06:14] <Tyche> Ubuntu is the BEST AROUND!
[06:14] <crimsun> weasello: yep
[06:15] <GnuHippy> apt-get is broken for me
[06:15] <Rene_S> Hmm, I keep hearing how Windows is the best around, sad really.  No one can seem to agree on anything anymore.
[06:15] <GnuHippy> no I hear it is OS X
[06:16] <GnuHippy> Apple is the self-proclaimed bestest
[06:16] <Rene_S> In the pre Window's 95 era, I thought Dos was pretty good.
[06:17] <GnuHippy> you didn't use Windows 95?
[06:17] <Rene_S> I used OS/2 then
[06:17] <GnuHippy> ic
[06:17] <Rene_S> IBM shipped out free CD's of that
[06:17] <GnuHippy> it's too bad nobody really wants to take on M$ that way anymore
[06:18] <johnnybezak> hey guys i have an X problem the resolution in X 1440/900 is right but for some reason ubu is using the gnome resolution tool instead of the x config file, and the gnome tool doesnt have 1440/900 anyone know a solution?
[06:18] <Rene_S> It's expensive
[06:18] <Rene_S> Add a modeline
[06:18] <Rene_S> there is program on your comp called gtf
[06:19] <johnnybezak> Rene_s: was that to me?
[06:19] <Rene_S> so you add gtf 1440 900 85  and paste that into your xorg or Xfree86 file
[06:19] <zenwhen> Eventually the average joe is going to care about Open Source software. Not soon, but one day. Not the way we do, but he may care enough to run a Linux based OS that just works when he installs it and can do so for free.
[06:19] <zenwhen> Ubuntu s a huge leap towards that.
[06:20] <Rene_S> the 85 can be replaced by whatever resolution you want
[06:20] <Witigonen> So, is it possible to watch streaming quicktime movies with sound in Ubuntu?
[06:20] <zenwhen> I switched my mom from windows to ubuntu and she loves it.
[06:20] <zenwhen> all she needs is a web broswer and email client
[06:20] <Lowry> hi all
[06:20] <zenwhen> she has them and is happy
[06:21] <Lowry> I crashed gnome-help - what does it list under in Bug Buddy?
[06:22] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, did you get that ?
[06:23] <wm_eddie> Witigonen: Have you checked out VLC?
[06:23] <encryptio> mmm... vlc
[06:23] <wm_eddie> Although it's GTK+ only it's pretty good.
[06:23] <encryptio> is 0.8 in hoary yet?
[06:24] <billytwowilly> 0.8 what?
[06:24] <Lowry> anyone?
[06:25] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: sort of
[06:26] <encryptio> 0.8 of vlc.
[06:26] <Chibi> Would anyone appreciate it if I put together some more recent XFCE packages than the ones in universe? :o
[06:26] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i typed
[06:27] <Witigonen> wm_eddie, I'm trying to watch this streaming video content on PBS' website (Commanding Heights).  So I don't really know where exactly the file is to try and get it for VLC.
[06:27] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, hmm, I wonder if there is a web page that can explain it better. lemme see
[06:27] <Witigonen> wm_eddie, I do have VLC, though :)
[06:27] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: gtf 1440 900 70
[06:27] <johnnybezak> and it said   # 1440x900 @ 70.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.59 kHz; pclk: 126.98 MHz
[06:27] <johnnybezak>   Modeline "1440x900_70.00"  126.98  1440 1536 1688 1936  900 901 904 937  -HSync +Vsync
[06:27] <johnnybezak> now what do i do?
[06:28] <GnuHippy> remove the comment tag
[06:28] <GnuHippy> the #
[06:28] <johnnybezak> GnuHippy: i didnt put it there
[06:28] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, ok go hear and follow the directions there pretty straight forward  http://sh.nu/nvidia/modeline_howto.html
[06:30] <Chibi> Okay, I suppose not. :/
[06:30] <johnnybezak> its wierd there is no mention anywhere in my xconfig of the resolution I am running now, only the proper one but its not the one im running now
[06:30] <treason^> anyone installed ubuntu on a intel motherboard with integrated graphics/sound?
[06:30] <Rene_S> Does your config have the proper horizontal and vertical number s in the monitor section ?
[06:32] <GnuHippy> apt-get is broken for me
[06:32] <GnuHippy> I can't get it working again
[06:32] <Rene_S> broken ?
[06:32] <GnuHippy> sec
[06:33] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: ok i put that modeline info in should i restart X
[06:33] <johnnybezak> Rene_S:?
[06:33] <Rene_S> yeah
[06:33] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, just like windows hehe restart x
[06:33] <GnuHippy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:33] <GnuHippy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:33] <GnuHippy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:34] <Rene_S> oh, mine does that 2
[06:34] <GnuHippy> but it won't let me install anything
[06:34] <Rene_S> you need to fix that
[06:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> Hi Roblinux
[06:34] <Rene_S> I know in synaptic I can choose fix
[06:34] <RobLinux> Hi Ruffian
[06:34] <RobLinux> what you doing here
[06:35] <Rene_S> not sure how it would be done on the command line
[06:35] <GnuHippy> I got it working
[06:35] <GnuHippy> I removed k3b
[06:36] <GnuHippy> I can't wait till hoary is more stable!!
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol, your using Hoary
[06:36] <GnuHippy> yeah
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> it will be more stable wne ITS ACTUALLY RELEASED!
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[06:36] <Rene_S> I cant wait till I dont need to rely on KDE apps
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> I love KDE
[06:37] <zenwhen> I am looking forward to that as well
[06:37] <hypa7ia_> Rene_S, what kde apps are you using?
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I gotta have all the latest stuff :)
[06:37] <zenwhen> I would REALLY like to remove everything related ot kde from ym system right now
[06:37] <zenwhen> to my*
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I don't like KDE or Gnome ATM they both have their quirks
[06:37] <Xenguy> bob2: bummer, I commented out the eth0 references in /etc/network/interfaces but I still get no ppp0 interface showing up via pppoeconf and when I run ifconfig, or pon :-/
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I like explorer!!
[06:37] <encryptio> ...
[06:37] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Kaffeine for my porn, k3b more music burning and apollon to get my porn .... hehe
[06:37] <gen> explorer lol
[06:38] <zenwhen> I use K3b.
[06:38] <GnuHippy> Totem-xine is good for pr0n
[06:38] <zenwhen> Thats it.
[06:38] <zenwhen> lol
[06:38] <pdaoust> GnuHippy: don't use expletives in this room
[06:38] <Xenguy> bob2: I really don't know what I am doing wrong, but I think this means the networking interface needs to be improved
[06:38] <RobLinux> you can use different enviornment with ubuntu?
[06:38] <pdaoust> GnuHippy: like 'explorer'
[06:38] <zenwhen> Xenguy, dialup?
[06:38] <encryptio> yeah, it's "unsupported" though
[06:38] <gen> roblinux: of course
[06:38] <Xenguy> zenwhen: DSL/pppoe
[06:38] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:38] <zenwhen> nevermind
[06:39] <Rene_S> For some reason the Totem-xine front end always dies on me
[06:39] <RobLinux> gen: I'm dual-booting Yoper and Libranet, and Libranet is family with Ubuntu,
[06:39] <Xenguy> RobLinux: what does that mean?
[06:39] <pdaoust> Rene_S: when you run it from the console, do you get any error messages?
[06:39] <GnuHippy> Yoper.... It is stable for you?
[06:40] <RobLinux> that means that I'm wondering what I'm gonna do when Libranet 3 comes out is not gonna be free and I wanna stay with a free good sitro debian based
[06:40] <Rene_S> Hmm dunno never tried running it from a console before hehe odd considering i use that method for all my other misbehaving apps
[06:40] <RobLinux> Yes it is its nice!!! I'm using a celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb
[06:40] <RobLinux> LInux Box
[06:40] <pdaoust> Rene_S: :-)
[06:40] <RobLinux> Stronger, Faster, Stable it must be yoper! thats what it says on the logging :)
[06:40] <Xenguy> RobLinux: go free - there's no real dilemma there
[06:41] <RobLinux> yea I'm gonna stay with Yoper and might go with Ubuntu ;) since ... Ubuntu and Libranet are the best support I ever gotten
[06:42] <GnuHippy> if only I could get DMA working on my drives...
[06:42] <Rene_S> I am gonna wait till Andreas gets his website up and releases 2.2 for Gnome
[06:42] <RobLinux> Yea I cant wait for San Andreas either!!!
[06:42] <seek187> anyone know how to get the computer icon on the desktop to open with thte command line??\
[06:42] <GnuHippy> I am helping with Yoper64
[06:43] <GnuHippy> lol @ rob
[06:43] <pdaoust> seek187: nautilus computer:///
[06:43] <seek187> ah thanks!
[06:43] <pdaoust> seek187: that is, if you're wanting to do it in Nautilus. If you just want to find the folder in the filesystem, it's actually a magical virtual folder that doesn't exist outside of gnome-vfs
[06:44] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, I was only kidding about the porn btw.
[06:44] <seek187> perfect! thats what I wanted
[06:44] <RobLinux> GnuHippy: what you mean you helping with Yoper64?
[06:45] <pdaoust> seek187: glad I could help!
[06:45] <hypa7ia_> suuuure Rene_S :-)
[06:45] <seek187> :)
[06:45] <GnuHippy> packaging and artwork
[06:45] <RobLinux> oh you mean for Yoper?
[06:45] <GnuHippy> yeah
[06:45] <RobLinux> Yoper64 for AMd Athlon 64?
[06:45] <GnuHippy> but only the 64 bit build
[06:45] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Honest, I only watch porn on my tv.   You buy porn?
[06:46] <Rene_S> No, I steal it off Satellite like other folks
[06:46] <encryptio> nooooo!
[06:46] <encryptio> good man
[06:46] <GnuHippy> ic
[06:46] <RobLinux> Nice I'll be getting a amd 64 laptop in the near future (few months) so I can have 3 computers :)
[06:47] <RobLinux> All you folks using Ubuntu ?
[06:47] <Rene_S> I am
[06:47] <GnuHippy> I am
[06:47] <hypa7ia_> i am, on a laptop
[06:47] <pdaoust> RobLinux: I am; I just switched from Gentoo on MOnday
[06:47] <RobLinux> GnuHippy let me ask you, Yoper is ok for a intel celeron 634mhz ?
[06:47] <GnuHippy> yes
[06:47] <RobLinux> pdaoust: Coool how you like ubuntu?
[06:47] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, think twice before getting an amg64 laptop... you're not gonna have any batt life
[06:47] <Rene_S> Lapdance ?  What does linux have to do with Lapdance ?
[06:48] <GnuHippy> it is really good on older machines down to p2s
[06:48] <pdaoust> RobLinux: (hard drive crashed, and it's my work computer, so I had to get things up and running quick -- none of this three days of compiling anymore ;-)
[06:48] <nab_> hello!
[06:48] <Tyche> I have it installed on laptop and also 700
[06:48] <RobLinux> hypa7ia : I thought it was better
[06:48] <Tyche> RobLinux: I think you would be fine with that.
[06:48] <nab_> i love ubuntu :)
[06:48] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, did that work for ya you were away awhile ?
[06:48] <pdaoust> RobLinux: my bad Gentoo habits are hard to get rid of, though; I'm already installing all sorts of fun unstable packages.
[06:48] <wm_eddie> Xenguy: everything needs a gentoosmite functions :)
[06:48] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: hmm i tried putting that into my config file, which worked but it doesnt actually affect my screen res
[06:49] <pdaoust> what the hell is gentoosmite?
[06:49] <Xenguy> nab_: if I could get a working net connection, I'd be real happy ;-)
[06:49] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: still not working?
[06:49] <Xenguy> pdaoust: a bot function that 'smites' gentoo users ;-)
[06:49] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, odd
[06:49] <RobLinux> what unstable means?
[06:49] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, thats how i do mine all the time
[06:49] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: its being overridden by this little gnome system config tool
[06:49] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: nah, fucked up -- it's probably something stupid, but it still pisses me off
[06:49] <pdaoust> xenguy: that's just bloody not fair. what's wrong with us?!?
[06:50] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: yeah
[06:50] <pdaoust> xenguy: oh yeah, I forgot, we're 'ricers'
[06:50] <pdaoust> ^_^
[06:50] <Xenguy> pdaoust: this is ubuntu, I'm not running away from gentoo users here, OK ? ;-)
[06:50] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: do you know where this gnome program gets its screen res numbers from
[06:50] <Dekkard> www.funroll-loops.org
[06:50] <pdaoust> heh heh
[06:50] <pdaoust> dekkard: yes, yes, I've seen it
[06:50] <pdaoust> :-D
[06:50] <[Quackers] > hmmm... hello guys
[06:50] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, no, you're definitely gonna have far worse batt life on an amd64 than on a pentium-m
[06:51] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, its supposed to get it from you Xorg or Xfree86 config file
[06:51] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: can i show you my X config file?
[06:51] <nab_> hehe xen my connection works but im a noob so i cannot help you ;)
[06:51] <wm_eddie> what's newer hoary or warty?
[06:51] <[Quackers] > I need some help
[06:51] <[Quackers] > I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.
[06:51] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, sure if ya want
[06:51] <GnuHippy> although AMD64 is much better than regular p4 mobile chips
[06:51] <johnnybezak> ok ill post it in flood
[06:51] <Xenguy> nab_: just tell me how you set it up :-)
[06:51] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: warty is the first release; hoary is the second
[06:51] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:52] <wm_eddie> hoary is going to have firefox 1.0 soon right?
[06:52] <Xenguy> nab_: pppoeconf?
[06:52] <nab_> i already set it up during installation when it aksed for ip,dns,etc
[06:52] <gen> wm_eddie: just get it yourself, it's a simple install
[06:52] <wm_eddie> I think I'll add hoary to my sources list just to get it.
[06:52] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I've already installed firefox 1.0 RC1 from hoary
[06:52] <Rene_S> Hmm does no one dl Firefox from mozilla anymore ?
[06:52] <Xenguy> nab_: hrm
[06:52] <gen> pdaoust: he means 1.0 not an rc
[06:52] <wm_eddie> Rene_S: The point of apt it to not have to roll your own packages.
[06:52] <nab_> xen its easy for me cause im using a LAN (NAT)
[06:52] <pdaoust> gen: ohhhh
[06:52] <pdaoust> k
[06:53] <Rene_S> wm_eddie, I dont mozilla makes a nice installer :)
[06:53] <wm_eddie> Rene_S: Yeah but it still installs to /usr/local/firefox/ doesn't it?
[06:53] <RobLinux> you folks know whats the difference between apt-get install ... and apt-get -t testing install ?
[06:53] <pdaoust> (to whoever is interested) I think the reason I liked Gentoo so much was not the whole compiling crap... I quickly became enamored with simply installing binaries as soon as I installed Ubuntu... I liked Gentoo because of the package manager (that's the reason most like Gentoo). I think deb/apt is quite lovely.
[06:53] <wm_eddie> that's like not cool.
[06:54] <Rene_S> No I install mine in /home/idiotuser/
[06:54] <hypa7ia_> obligatory gentoo flame: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[06:54] <gen> rene_s: you should put in /usr/local/
[06:54] <nab_> Is here anyone who can tell me why the hell im only getting 75hz when my monitor makes 100hz? i entered the correct values at frglxconfig
[06:54] <Xenguy> nab_: yeah, I was thinking DHCP would be a snap (but I'm on static IP at home)
[06:54] <nab_> im using static ip myself
[06:55] <Rene_S> Nah, Its only there till there is a deb file :)
[06:55] <pdaoust> hypa7ia_: harsh!!!!!
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> i know :-)
[06:55] <Rene_S> then i do what everyone esle does and apt-get
[06:55] <pdaoust> so, guys, tell me: what do people not like about Gentooists?
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> i only tease because i love :-)
[06:55] <[Quackers] > someone help me please, I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.
[06:55] <pdaoust> heh heh
[06:55] <gabriel82> has anyone here installed ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:55] <pdaoust> [Quackers] : are you in Windows right now?
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> well, pdaoust, the attitude is annoying as !@#$
[06:55] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i just pasted it into flood
[06:55] <trans_err> gabriel82, yeah?
[06:55] <gen> quackers, you from sa?
[06:56] <gabriel82> trans_err: how's it?
[06:56] <[Quackers] > pdaoust, im currently on another computer
[06:56] <[Quackers] > yeah gen
[06:56] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: the main reason I think is that a few have sent bogus bug reports to countless projects.
[06:56] <gen> knew it
[06:56] <pdaoust> hypa71a_: are they, like, stuck up and elitist or something?
[06:56] <trans_err> every works except sleep and 3d accel
[06:56] <Xenguy> hypa7ia_: heheh
[06:56] <stuNNed> now i can see why hsfmodem was pulled from the repo's, cuz it is the suxor, who should i file a bug with?  ubuntu?  linuxant?  or both? :D
[06:56] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I'm one of those ^_^ mind you, I submitted a bug to the Gentoo bugzilla, not the... oh wait, no, I sent the bug to the Evo bugzilla too. oops.
[06:57] <Xenguy> nab_: (please preface your lines with my nick) What you have a static IP and it works for you?! /me wonders what is wrong
[06:57] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: And other than that, many have a "3y3m t3h l33t h4x0rz" feeling... if you know what I mean.
[06:57] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: yeah, I can appreciate that, I guess ^_^
[06:58] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: the bug report I filed turned out not to be an Evo bug at all, but a bug in one of the themes I'd installed off the 'Net. erg.    I was very very angry.
[07:01] <encryptio> well, i like missing the buggy parts! :)
[07:01] <hypa7ia_> wm_eddie, i stopped way before you... when in the install i was told to write my own grub script.  i think not.
[07:01] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, can you repaste the top half of your x file i missed it
[07:02] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I had very few problems with the package manager. It worked for me.
[07:02] <johnnybezak> ok but the top half doesnt really matter does it?
[07:02] <Rene_S> yeah
[07:02] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: I'd always find stupid packages that wouldn't build.
[07:02] <Rene_S> it tells me how your monitor is configured
[07:02] <Rene_S> the bottom part looks right
[07:02] <johnnybezak> Rene_S ok
[07:03] <pdaoust> heh heh
[07:03] <Rene_S> That was my fear in using FreeBSD
[07:04] <hypa7ia_> my fear with freebsd as just drivers.  drivers are the bane of my existence
[07:04] <fhobia> how do i install mozilla-suite ?
[07:05] <Adrenal> that inbox monitor for the panel
[07:05] <Adrenal> is there anyway to make it check more then one pop3 account?
[07:05] <Rene_S> Women are the bane of my existance
[07:05] <Adrenal> cos gmail is about to get pop3
[07:05] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: there you go
[07:05] <pdaoust> I dunno, Rene, they're kinda cute ^_^
[07:06] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, merci
[07:06] <pdaoust> anyway, folks, I have to go to bed -- cya
[07:06] <Rene_S> Cute ?
[07:06] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: de rien
[07:06] <Adrenal> anyone?
[07:06] <pdaoust> Rene_S: yep, cute
[07:06] <Rene_S> After 37 years there not cute anymore
[07:06] <Rene_S> there old
[07:06] <pdaoust> Rene_S: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... my condolences :D
[07:07] <hondo_san> Stupid question from a KDE on FreeBSD person, but after I install packages from either CLI or gui, should I expect to immediately see them in the applications menu, or is there some GNome MoJo I need
[07:07] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, that parts ok, next part has the monitor and vid card peice
[07:07] <Adrenal> GNOME SUCKS
[07:07] <Rene_S> thats the critical part
[07:07] <Adrenal> now that i have your attention
[07:08] <hypa7ia_> hondo_san, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't
[07:08] <Adrenal> can i make the mail check check more then one account?
[07:08] <pdaoust> Adrenal: hush, such language
[07:08] <pdaoust> and blaspheny
[07:08] <hypa7ia_> Adrenal, tried synaptic?
[07:08] <Adrenal> looked there, but way too many apps to scroll through
[07:08] <pdaoust> Adrenal: what mail checker are you using? GNOME mail checker?
[07:08] <pdaoust> xbiff?
[07:08] <Adrenal> was wondering if anyone could send me in the right direction
[07:08] <Adrenal> yeh, using the gnome
[07:09] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, Your horizontal and vertical refresh dont go as high as 85
[07:09] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: there you go
[07:10] <hypa7ia_> Adrenal, it's in synaptics, just search for mozilla
[07:10] <pdaoust> Adrenal: doesn't look like it; what I'd do is just use multiple instances of the applet and configure each one for a different account...
[07:10] <Adrenal> yeh
[07:10] <pdaoust> Adrenal: kinda cheesy solution, but hey -- it works!
[07:10] <Adrenal> thats what i was thinking
[07:10] <Adrenal> is there anyway to put in custom animations then?
[07:10] <Rene_S> thats the problem, your modeline is set for 85 hz and neither you vertical or you horizontal support that
[07:10] <Rene_S> are you sure your monitor settings are correct ?
[07:11] <johnnybezak> the refresh rates?
[07:11] <seek187> wow gdesklets takes up lots of ram
[07:11] <Rene_S> yeah look at them 28-72 and 43-60
[07:11] <pdaoust> Adrenal: I think all you hafta do is drop the custom animations into /usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck
[07:12] <Adrenal> thanks
[07:12] <pdaoust> Adrenal: then they'll appear in your list, under Preferences
[07:12] <johnnybezak> ok so i have to make the hz to what 60?
[07:12] <Rene_S> Dunno whatever you monitor supports, do you have the book for it or something telling you what the specs are ?
[07:13] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: im on a mac, so no manual, but I could have a look on the net
[07:13] <Adrenal> thanks everyone
[07:13] <encryptio> johnny: what computer?
[07:14] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, yeah  try and find the spec for horizontal and vertical .  plugging in the wrong values can hurt the monitor
[07:14] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, for instance i know mine is 32-92 and 55-160
[07:15] <encryptio> and mine 30-180, 30-180
[07:15] <encryptio> (lcd)
[07:15] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: hmm i think there wrong
[07:15] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i found some other ones on the net ill give them a go
[07:15] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, k
[07:15] <RobLinux> what program is there to download music with linux ? ubuntu/libranet?
[07:16] <encryptio> gtk-gnutella is my choice, but giftui is good too
[07:16] <encryptio> ^@roblinux
[07:16] <RobLinux> hmm let me try them both i havent heard of them
[07:16] <RobLinux> encyptio?
[07:16] <bitserf> is there an xcompmgr package?
[07:16] <Rene_S> I use Apollon
[07:16] <Rene_S> Its has all 3 networks i like
[07:16] <encryptio> yeah, roblinux?
[07:17] <RobLinux> oh you said ^@ me :-p
[07:17] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, try soulseek
[07:17] <Lathiat_> bitserf: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:17] <Rene_S> or Nicotene
[07:17] <Rotund> does anyone know if there will be a release in ubuntu for the new nvidia drivers?
[07:17] <bitserf> lathiat: thanks muchly :)
[07:17] <bigtony> question: anyone using an old isa card with ubuntu.  Hehe
[07:22] <RobLinux> yea I need codecs
[07:22] <gen> do a google rob
[07:22] <gen> plenty of guides
[07:22] <encryptio> bigtony: keep trying different days and hours.. you might find a guy that knows the answer. that's how i got my 3ddesktop fixed.
[07:22] <Rotund> RobLinux: In synaptic, enable universe and add multiverse to it
[07:22] <bigtony> good deal
[07:22] <bigtony> i gotta fix this monitor i think its tube is screwed
[07:22] <hypa7ia_> lol, Rene_S, no :-p
[07:22] <gen> crt's are so 1980's
[07:23] <Rene_S> that may be but mine still works
[07:23] <bigtony> enabl: whats a good font to use in here
[07:23] <bigtony> err
[07:23] <bigtony> encryptio
[07:23] <Rotund> RobLinux: Add "ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/" "testing" "main" to the repositories and w32codecs is in there
[07:23] <RobLinux> ROtund I'm liking console better :) i do apt-get -t testing install
[07:23] <RobLinux> thanks
[07:24] <RobLinux> lets see how i learn to add it :-p
[07:24] <Rotund> there one called flash-nonfree, get that
[07:24] <Rotund> (flash support)
[07:24] <Rotund> mplayerplug-in is good
[07:24] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Ok, cause if you were I would tell ya to get in line there are plenty of folks ahead of ya that call me dumb :)
[07:24] <gen> roblinux: can add by, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:24] <bitserf> yes! drop shadow windows :)
[07:25] <Rotund> I'm sorry.  mozilla-mplayer
[07:25] <RobLinux> Rotund, I'm using Libranet at the moment but im also a ubuntu user :)
[07:25] <encryptio> yea, bigt?
[07:25] <Rotund> RobLinux: okay
[07:25] <bigtony> whats a good font combo to use in here
[07:25] <bigtony> my eyes are going retarded :)
[07:26] <bitserf> don't suppose there are accelerated ATI drivers for 6.8 yet?
[07:26] <Rotund> RobLinux: I don't know what sort of stuff you normally use.  Ubuntu hit most of the basics outside the illegal video players
[07:27] <hypa7ia_> bigtony, try the Bitstream Vera ones
[07:27] <bigtony> what font size ?
[07:27] <bigtony> and thanks
[07:27] <encryptio> i stick with the default monospace-thing, but just experiment. and remember this: the current (warty) xchat has to show a new line before it changes the font
[07:27] <Rene_S> They work for me
[07:27] <Rene_S> I use 11 or 12
[07:27] <encryptio> 9.. here
[07:28] <Rotund> RobLinux: It sounds like mplayer-custom includes the w32codecs... dunno if this is true
[07:28] <stuNNed> bigtony, MonoSpace 14 here
[07:28] <Rene_S> at 9 my eyes would jsut go retarded
[07:28] <bigtony> yeah let me try monospace 14
[07:28] <bigtony> this isn't cuttin it
[07:28] <Chibi> 8. :/
[07:28] <Chibi> I used 6pt when I was using windows. :o
[07:28] <bigtony> yeah that much better
[07:28] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: Ok that worked
[07:28] <bigtony> i can see again ;)
[07:29] <Chibi> I'm a 2 inch from monitor kinda person.
[07:29] <RobLinux> anyone here tried Yoper, Libranet, Mandrake 10.1, SLackware 10.0, Ubuntu ? and can help me compare them to see which 1 has more goods than bad, because to my conclusion each distro has its good and bad things, which would fit best for a home/personal user
[07:29] <Rotund> RobLinux: Nope.  it's not
[07:29] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, cool ill send ya my bill in the mail hehe
[07:29] <RobLinux> Thanks ROtund let me try
[07:29] <bigtony> so your that guy that makes the artwork on the head of a nail
[07:29] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: haha
[07:29] <Rene_S> I used Yoper Mandrake and this one
[07:29] <Chibi> RobLinux - Slackware probably isn't comparable as a desktop to the rest.
[07:29] <johnnybezak> well at least it changed, the numbers are wrong though
[07:29] <gen> roblinux: you'll find a biased view in here
[07:29] <gen> bad place to ask
[07:29] <Rotund> RobLinux: I definitely prefer Ubuntu to all except LibraNet (which I haven't useD)
[07:29] <Rene_S> Yoper is fast but short on packages
[07:29] <Chibi> I've used slackware since I started Linux
[07:29] <johnnybezak> because my screen has warped sideways
[07:29] <johnnybezak> haha
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtony: ProFont is a nice monospace font
[07:30] <Rene_S> Mandrake is bloated but good support
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtone: i find the .pcf version much clearer at 1600x1200 tho
[07:30] <bigtony> alright thanks will try that
[07:30] <Rene_S> this is nice but gnome based
[07:30] <RobLinux> what you mean CHibi, slackware isnt comparable?
[07:30] <johnnybezak> Mandrake is good, control center works well
[07:30] <Rene_S> not everyone likes gnome
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtony: google for "ProFont", should be the first hit
[07:30] <Rotund> RobLinux: Mandrake has really nice guis for setups.  Ubuntu and Libranet have apt-get and a huge repository (I assume libra net does)
[07:30] <Chibi> You don't want slackware unless everyone in your house is used to text-editing settings. :P
[07:30] <bigtony> alright
[07:30] <Chibi> It isn't fine tuned for desktop use.
[07:30] <RobLinux> ya
[07:30] <holycow> chibi?
[07:31] <holycow> chibi?
[07:31] <holycow> chibifont?
[07:31] <Chibi> ? o_o
[07:31] <Rotund> RobLinux: I'm personally a GNOME guy that wants bleeding edge w/o wasting time compiling everything (Gentoo)
[07:31] <holycow> not the shame chibi from efnet i guess :)
[07:31] <holycow> ehe
[07:31] <holycow> sorry
[07:31] <RobLinux> Libranet and Ubuntu should be cousins, only that Ubuntu might get more users since its free and its gonna get me
[07:31] <Chibi> On efnet I'm ChibiCng
[07:31] <holycow> ever run into chibifont?
[07:31] <Chibi> No.
[07:31] <holycow> well obviously your not the same dude
[07:31] <holycow> ehe sorry about that :)
[07:32] <Chibi> HolyCOW!
[07:32] <holycow> <-- right here
[07:32] <holycow> >_>
[07:32] <Rotund> RobLinux: biggest issue I've seen w/ Mandrake is the RPM system (have they gotten it better yet?) and the all gui editing of settings means that when the GUI messes up a setting, you have no idea how to fix it.
[07:32] <RobLinux> WEll I'm a newbie so I needed something I can change around as my knowledge increases, so right now I'm liking Ubuntu (havent done much there), but been with Libranet more and YOper its nice and whatever but nobody to ask for help there ... Mandrake/Slackware problems with isntallation
[07:32] <bitserf> bigtony: http://xeraph.org/profont.png (had to show off drop-shadows :P)
[07:33] <Rene_S> I only ever tried Minislack once and when none of my main hd was detected  i gave up
[07:33] <Chibi> Slackware's installation is EASY. >.>
[07:33] <bigtony> haha
[07:33] <bigtony> ok let me get it there
[07:33] <holycow> bitserf, running xorg i guess?
[07:33] <RobLinux> I dont like all that gui stuff especially with my slow system celeron 634mhz 256mb gui 24/7 is gonna slow it down once in a while its fine i'm using x system right now ,
[07:33] <bitserf> hell yeah :)
[07:33] <holycow> i like plain jane debian
[07:33] <GammaRay> RobLinux: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.
[07:33] <encryptio> bitserf: how'd you get that drop shadow thing?
[07:33] <holycow> its slow but stable and steady
[07:33] <GammaRay> Rotund: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.
[07:33] <encryptio> i want osx stuff
[07:34] <GammaRay> I meant Rotund
[07:34] <holycow> slow development time i mean!
[07:34] <holycow> doh!
[07:34] <RobLinux> slackware installation wasnt that hard but when it ended it would jus come up in a GRUB_ screen maybe I should of saved the boot to a floppy
[07:34] <Chibi> Slackware uses LILO.
[07:34] <gen> lilo blows
[07:34] <Rene_S> debian isnt the only thing with slow development time, look at MS 25 years and still no OS that works.
[07:35] <Chibi> There's nothing wrong with Lilo.
[07:35] <holycow> Rene_S, rofl :)
[07:35] <Chibi> :/
[07:35] <holycow> thats a damn good point there
[07:35] <Lathiat_> Rene_S: heh
[07:35] <bitserf> encryptio: upgrade to hoary, enable Composite and RENDER extensions in xorg.conf, restart x, and then run xcompmgr -c &
[07:35] <encryptio> hoary...
[07:35] <encryptio> no wway to do in in xf86?
[07:36] <bitserf> encryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/