[15:06] <a_l_e> HardyOne: exactly what i'm saying, sorry: my system is the most recent official release for my platform and is not outdated until tomorrow.
[15:06] <Baby_Shambl3s> PriceChild: thats a lot of unbans seems like it will take a while
[15:06] <dystopianray> a_l_e: for your platform? are you running ppc or something?
[15:07] <HardyOne> a_l_e: guess it is all a matter of perspective
[15:07] <genie> jaffarkelshac, the text which I added correct?!
[15:07] <a_l_e> dystopianray: exactly.
[15:07] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 6.06 will be supported until 2011, there is no need to jump straight onto 8.04
[15:07] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you find any error in .conf file?!
[15:07] <dystopianray> a_l_e: 8.04 doesn't even officially support ppc
[15:07] <HardyOne> ppc support was dropped when they went intel
[15:08] <a_l_e> dystopianray: that's why i've bought a new computer without ppc
[15:08] <jaffarkelshac> its almost identical to mine, no errors that i can see, i even pasted your smb.conf and i am able to share genie
[15:08] <Baby_Shambl3s> HardyOne: why would it be dropped casue they went intel?
[15:08] <dbmood1> jaffarkelshac: try apt-get --purge remove samba
[15:08] <dbmood1> --- then start again / reuse the conf file again
[15:08] <HardyOne> Baby_Shambl3s: actually I have no idea why it was dropped :/
[15:09] <koudelka> probably too much work
[15:09] <Baby_Shambl3s> dbmood1: sheeeez dotn get banned :)
[15:09] <genie> jaffarkelshac, when you share did you got a promote for sudo password?!
[15:09] <dbmood1> what ?
[15:09] <jaffarkelshac> no genie
[15:09] <dbmood1> he can apt-get install samba...after that ?
[15:10] <Baby_Shambl3s> dbmood1: jk dont worry if you didnt get it there is no point, just wasted a poor joke :/
[15:10] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you see what error I got?!
[15:10] <HardyOne> a_l_e: you can argue that windows is not ever stable either do to updates every day
[15:10] <jaffarkelshac> is the error the same as before? i want to read it again genie
[15:10] <a_l_e> HardyOne: am i using windows?
[15:10] <HardyOne> do/due
[15:10] <genie> jaffarkelshac, 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission denied
[15:10] <genie> You do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[15:11] <koudelka> jaffarkelshac, code wants to be wrong
[15:11] <koudelka> that's just how it is :P
[15:11] <HardyOne> a_l_e: that is not what I said but no OS is ever really stable if you think of it
[15:11] <koudelka> HardyOne, *
[15:11] <genie> jaffarkelshac, check your permission in /var/lib/samba/usershares
[15:11] <a_l_e> HardyOne: did i say that ubuntu is not  stable?
[15:11] <HardyOne> koudelka: *??
[15:11] <koudelka> my message was to you :P
[15:11] <koudelka> code wants to be wrong
[15:12] <Baby_Shambl3s> nice song jamiroquai talula *completely offtopic*
[15:12] <dbmood1> ~stable
[15:12] <dbmood1> no bots today ?
[15:12] <dbmood1> !stable
[15:12] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[15:12] <HardyOne> a_l_e:  you are being confrontational ( feeling I have ) if I am of the mark please let me know but don't be condescending
[15:13] <Baby_Shambl3s> HardyOne: m$ did a great job lying to the world their OS was stable
[15:13] <koudelka> i wonder if there's some guide on how to make gui interfaces to commandline software using monodevelop
[15:13] <a_l_e> HardyOne: do you know what was the problem i was reporting?
[15:13] <koudelka> like simple ipdables editors or things like that
[15:14] <HardyOne> a_l_e: actualy no I jumped in mid convo so I may have misread what you were talking about
[15:14] <jaffarkelshac> genie, from that it seems you do not have write permission for that folder, what is the output for ls -l /var/lib/samba give you genie
[15:14] <a_l_e> HardyOne: my problem is, that hardy installs a faked vim and you have to find through the hard way the reason why "this version" doesn't support almost all the interesting features of vim.
[15:14] <dbmood1> ah multics
[15:14] <jaffarkelshac> genie, particually sambashare folder
[15:14] <dbmood1> multics was stable there was no panic function
[15:15] <genie> total 60
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 account_policy.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 group_mapping.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 ntdrivers.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root         696 2008-04-23 15:30 ntforms.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 ntprinters.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        4096 2008-04-23 16:52 passdb.tdb
[15:15] <Baby_Shambl3s> well time for work
[15:15] <genie> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 perfmon
[15:15] <genie> drwxr-xr-x 4 root root        4096 2008-04-23 15:30 printers
[15:15]  * Baby_Shambl3s bye
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root       16384 2008-04-23 16:52 registry.tdb
[15:15] <genie> -rw------- 1 root root        8192 2008-04-23 15:30 secrets.tdb
[15:15] <genie> drwxrwx--T 2 root sambashare  4096 2008-04-23 15:30 usershares
[15:15] <genie> genie@genie02:~$
[15:15] <genie> jaffarkelshac, did you see it?
[15:15] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it has been like this in all the recent releases
[15:15] <HardyOne> a_l_e: I see. well I don't know why it is that way but reporting it and perhaps helping to correct the issue might be a project you can help with
[15:15] <a_l_e> HardyOne: the only answer i got was: it has always been like this. and as i've said that the current lts version i have, didn't have this problem
[15:15] <Hobbsee> !paste | genie
[15:15] <ubotu> genie: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:16] <Nom-> got spam?
[15:16] <a_l_e> ... i was flamed that i use an ancient version (2 years!!!)
[15:16] <Nom-> :)
[15:16] <dbmood1> !spam
[15:16] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...
[15:16] <genie> sorry guys this is by mistake
[15:16] <a_l_e> HardyOne: i'm reporting it as a bug!
[15:16] <dystopianray> a_l_e: it's not a bug, it is intentinoal
[15:16] <a_l_e> dystopianray: what is intentional?
[15:16] <dystopianray> a_l_e: the minimal vim
[15:16] <dbmood1> -- perhaps there can be an anti-irc spam thing built into pidgin
[15:17] <Nom-> oh yeah... vim-tiny has been around for ages
[15:17] <jaffarkelshac> i am comfused as ever, clearly you have rwx access for sambashare i am not quiet sure how to help
[15:17] <a_l_e> dystopianray: that i have no clue that i have to google for the error to find out that vim is an alias to vim-tiny?
[15:17] <HardyOne> a_l_e: you have to remember that in this channel the people like to use Alpha and test bleeding edge so for them 2 years is ancient
[15:17] <Nom-> It annoys me to... #1 task on any new install: apt-get install vim-full
[15:17] <genie> jaffarkelshac, is this same user pc permission?!
[15:18] <Flannel> Nom-: Or just regular vim, if you don't like the gnome stuff
[15:18] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I mean same your pc ?!
[15:18] <a_l_e> HardyOne, dystopianray: it's ok for me to intall vim-tiny instead of vim, but this is not a usal thing and give a notice to ther user (on the other side, installing vim or elivs instead of vi is normal and doesn't need any special notice!)
[15:18] <eternal_p> good morning all...I have a weird problem...every once in a while, pidgin will crash...at that point, I can no longer run a new instance of firefox and/or even run terminal (it hangs after drawing the window), i have disabled Compz but it still won't draw....any thoughts?
[15:18] <jaffarkelshac> when you share a file, a conf file for that share is written in the usershare folder genie, yes its the same
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: vim is too large, space is very previous on the livecd
[15:19] <genie> jaffarkelshac, then why I cannot share?!
[15:19] <HardyOne> a_l_e: maybe it is all about size and trying to keep the install cd to a minimum
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: vim-tiny has been around for a long time as well
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: not even 2 years
[15:19] <dystopianray> a_l_e: that is a long time
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: this is nothing.
[15:19] <a_l_e> dystopianray: not in the corporate world and not in my home.
[15:20] <HardyOne> a_l_e: in software terms 2 years is a long time
[15:20] <a_l_e> it's a long time when you are 16... but then...
[15:20] <Nom-> 2 years is a painfully long time
[15:20] <jaffarkelshac> i am not sure why genie
[15:20] <dystopianray> a_l_e: tomorrow that 2 years will cover 4 separate releases of ubuntu
[15:21] <genie> jaffarkelshac, thanks for your help if you find any things let me know
[15:21] <Nom-> a project was kicked off 2 years ago to upgrade our production machines to debian sarge.  We're still using debian woody now, and hating it every minute... so many things done the dodgy way because the "upgrade" was coming soon
[15:21] <Nom-> *sigh*
[15:21] <a_l_e> dystopianray: and today 2 years doesn't cover even one lts release of ubuntu! so what?
[15:22] <dystopianray> a_l_e: my point is that this change has been around for a long time and there has been plenty of oppurtunity to find out about it
[15:22] <dystopianray> a_l_e: if you're only going to lts to lts then expect a huge number of changes both small and large
[15:23] <a_l_e> dystopianray: and my point is, that when somebody points you to a problem, the answer is not "it has always been like this"
[15:23] <HardyOne> a_l_e: I could understand if it was difficult for you to install vim-full ( compiling yourself ) but it is packaged and requires one simple command to do. really not that big a deal
[15:23] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i expect those changes, and i want them to be visible.
[15:23] <eternal_p> I guess no one has heard of my problem?
[15:23] <jaffarkelshac> genie, you put ; usershare....... remove the ;
[15:23] <a_l_e> HardyOne: it took one whole week to find out that no vim was installed!
[15:23] <dystopianray> a_l_e: you were given the reason and solution almost straight away and yet you persist in arguing about it
[15:23] <a_l_e> because a program which behaved 90% was installed.
[15:24] <a_l_e> dystopianray: i had found the solution before coming here... so what?
[15:24] <dystopianray> a_l_e: what are you trying to achieve by arguing with us?
[15:25] <a_l_e> dystopianray: if there is somebody which has a bit of knowledge of the system, how to formulate the bug report so that a problem get's fixed.
[15:25] <HardyOne> a_l_e: took you a week. perhaps because you were not asking the right question. I am not trying to blame you. just saying that we are volunteers and cant guess at what you are trying to tell us if what you are really doing is complaining about an app and not telling us what you expect the app to do
[15:25] <eternal_p> a_l_e: launchpad
[15:25] <HardyOne> !bug | a_l_e
[15:26] <ubotu> a_l_e: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[15:26] <a_l_e> eternal_p: bind it to a project? to a package? etc etc etc...
[15:26] <eternal_p> just put in whatever problem you are haing on Lanchpad
[15:26] <eternal_p> that is the only place any developer will see it
[15:26] <eternal_p> complaning her won't get you far
[15:26] <a_l_e> eternal_p: thank you, i have noticed it!
[15:27] <thyko> im on hardy RC
[15:27] <HardyOne> complaining anywhere wont get you far
[15:27] <thyko> i have a bcm43xx card
[15:27] <a_l_e> HardyOne: not true.
[15:27] <eternal_p> a_l_e: bad attitude
[15:27] <a_l_e> HardyOne: i know many places where complaining leads to fixes!
[15:27] <jaffarkelshac> genie, did it change?
[15:27] <eternal_p> a_l_e:  that is the thing with linux, if you don't like it, go away and compile your own, then you can complain to the mirror as much as you like :)
[15:27] <thyko> i have installed b43-fwcutter
[15:28] <HardyOne> a_l_e: ok. complaning in a chatroom about an issue you are having with Ubuntu wont get you far. the best place is launchpad.net
[15:28] <thyko> but the blue light on my pavilio dv6636nr still wont come on
[15:28] <a_l_e> sorry, i'm stopping answering. i will finish the bug report as good as i can formulate it and then i will go on with my workd
[15:28] <thyko> the driver does not load automaticaly during startu
[15:28] <thyko> p
[15:28] <HardyOne> a_l_e: we appreciate the bug report and hopefully it will be addressed quickly
[15:28] <a_l_e> eternal_p, HardyOne: i know of chat rooms where you are welcome to complain about problems and people will help you find a solution, tell you where and how report,  etc etc
[15:29] <a_l_e> HardyOne: thanks! that's the way i like it!
[15:29] <genie> jaffarkelshac, let me to check it now
[15:29] <a_l_e> friendly, positive! and i'm not joking!
[15:29] <thyko> and when i modprobe b43, there are no messeges printed in /var/log/messeges
[15:29] <HardyOne> a_l_e: :)
[15:29] <thyko> whats the solution?
[15:30] <thyko> a_l_e: where can i submit a bug-report?
[15:30] <HardyOne> !bug | thyko
[15:30] <ubotu> thyko: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[15:30] <a_l_e> !launchpad
[15:30] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[15:30] <Nom-> hmm where would one request that a perl cpan package is upgraded for the official repos?
[15:30] <Mimi> !bug
[15:30] <HardyOne> Nom-: launchpad.net mark it as wishlist
[15:30] <ccooke> a_l_e: Hi - you're complaining about the difference between the (default) vim in hardy and the vim-full, yes?
[15:30] <Nom-> Ah kk :D
[15:30] <thyko> !thanks
[15:30] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[15:30] <thyko> heh
[15:30] <Mimi> xD Awww!
[15:31] <Nom-> ubotu: botsnack
[15:31] <a_l_e> ccooke: no, i'm complaining that no notice is given that a faked vim is installed.
[15:31] <HardyOne> ccooke: he is filling a bug report at the momment
[15:31] <Nom-> bah that's no fun
[15:31] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:31] <ccooke> HardyOne: ah, okay.
[15:31] <HardyOne> ccooke: or not lol
[15:32] <genie> jaffarkelshac, it's same with ; or without it I got the error
[15:33] <Adys> is there a reason to keep "language-pack-en" and "language-pack-gnome-en" if its the only language pack on the system?
[15:33] <W8TAH> i installed kde-desktop and i dont like it -- how do i make it go away again?
[15:33] <W8TAH> including KDM
[15:34] <jaffarkelshac> with ; i cant share folders i dont own but without ; i can which is what usershare owner only = false lets you do. genie
[15:34] <Hobbsee> W8TAH: remove kdelibs4c2a
[15:34] <W8TAH> will that wipe out all the cruft too?
[15:34] <HardyOne> W8TAH: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96048
[15:34] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I make False I will try with false
[15:35] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: never!
[15:36] <genie> jaffarkelshac, same things no different
[15:36] <jaffarkelshac> check this, system > administrator > users and groups, unlock and click manage groups, look for sambashares, properties and see if your user is ticked genie
[15:36]  * genii sips
[15:37] <lastent> hi, I'm having problems with the flash sound and the pulse audio, right now ]I can't hear the sound on flash videos
[15:38] <koudelka> lastent, have the same thing
[15:38] <samuel> hello all
[15:38] <samuel> ive got ubuntu installed on a computer (8.04, amd64) with 4 hard disk drives.... the drive devices keep switching about, is there any way to stop this behaviour? one is an ide the others are sata, and it seems that /dev/sdd gets switched around with /dev/sdb any ideas?
[15:38] <koudelka> lastent, you need to close that application that uses pulse audio and then restart firefox and go to the flash site and the sound will work
[15:38] <edugonch> Hello, I need to uninstall all the graphics from my ubuntu installation, I need to have a minimal installation, I try to do ---> aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop but it doesn't work, any help please
[15:39] <koudelka> lastent, but then the sound in the pulse audio applications won't work so....
[15:39] <genie> jaffarkelshac, my name listed and ticked, but I notice listed as full name not username!
[15:39] <genie> jaffarkelshac, what about you?!
[15:40] <fbc> Tomorro does the RC get renamed or is the actualy hardy going to be different CD.
[15:40] <genie> jaffarkelshac, and root not ticked in that group
[15:40] <jaffarkelshac> genie sorry, that is as far as my knowledge goes, everything appears fine, i dont know why you cant share
[15:41] <genie> jaffarkelshac, any way I can share with root
[15:41] <lastent> koudelka, so your tellign me that I just can run flash videos and hear the sound if I'm not using anyother audio program?
[15:42] <oholiks> kahrytan: audacious replaces xmms, works about the same.. should we close down the downgrade society now? ;)
[15:42] <genie> jaffarkelshac, I will do more digging in this
[15:42] <HardyOne> edugonch: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96046
[15:42] <genie> jaffarkelshac, thank you very much
[15:42] <koudelka> lastent, basically yes, atleast that's how it is for me
[15:42] <jaffarkelshac> i would not advice it, at the moment with your current settings you should be able to
[15:43] <GoodJob> hello
[15:43] <edugonch> HardyOne: Thanks ;)
[15:43] <GoodJob> is Ubuntu 8.04 Final released yet?
[15:43] <dystopianray> GoodJob: no
[15:43] <fbc> GoodJob, yeah it's on pirate bay..
[15:43] <HardyOne> edugonch: np make sure you read before entering commands
[15:43] <koudelka> GoodJob, no it will be released sometime within 24h probably
[15:43] <fbc> GoodJob,  JK
[15:44] <GoodJob> so tommorow then :/
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob, yup
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: yes, april 24 is the expected release date
[15:44] <GoodJob> do you happen to know on which hour
[15:44] <_Lucretia_> I'm reading through a howto for installing the latest fglrx drivers, but what does this mean: "If using 64bit make sure to collect package "ia32-libs" and " libGL.so.1" before proceeding!"  - I'm using the howto from here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Hardy_Installation_Guide
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: noone knows exactly when it'll be released
[15:44] <GoodJob> damn
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob,  I would expect 24:00 GMT
[15:44] <GoodJob> i reaaaaly need it :D
[15:44] <fbc> GoodJob, we all do.
[15:44] <dystopianray> GoodJob: get the latest daily build
[15:45] <kahrytan> oholiks->  I know it does.. its my fav standalone player
[15:45] <GoodJob> i wanted to ask you guys about something else too
[15:45] <GoodJob> what about that GRUB 2?
[15:45] <jaffarkelshac> anyone ben able to install vmware ?
[15:45] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac yeah me
[15:46] <dystopianray> GoodJob: what about it?
[15:46] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: maybe it means save the file ( backup )
[15:46] <GoodJob> i'm curious why isn't GRUB 2 the Ubuntu's bootloader
[15:46] <jaffarkelshac> i keep getting am error, Unable to build the vmmon module. excution aborted GoodJob
[15:46] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: as in save the ia32-libs package?
[15:46] <jaffarkelshac> i downloaded the tar.gz from the website
[15:46] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac do you have the very latest VMware installed?
[15:46] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: I would guess so
[15:47] <dystopianray> GoodJob: does any distro use grub 2?
[15:47] <GoodJob> dystopianray not sure :)
[15:47] <jaffarkelshac> i think its the latest i am trying to install
[15:47] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: I honestly can't see why, but...
[15:47] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac uhmmm you have Windows XP right?
[15:47] <edugonch> Yes.... is a little long, is there a way to install a minimal installation from 0, I try with the alternate cd that I download from the ubuntu page, but I didn't see any option to do this
[15:47] <dystopianray> GoodJob: I don't think grub 2 is actually considered stable upstream
[15:47] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: they don't go into any detail about reinstalling those
[15:47] <jaffarkelshac> no, ubuntu
[15:47] <ravalox> Hey, does anyone here run their Ubuntu system on an XFX 790i motherboard?
[15:47] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac i see
[15:48] <Trolloc> !anyone | ravalox
[15:48] <ubotu> ravalox: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[15:48] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: reading it now
[15:48] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: method 2
[15:48] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac well, i run VMware in Windows so i really can't determine why do you get that errror
[15:48] <ravalox> Well, I need to figure out how to set the Audio out on an XFX 790i motherboard to 5.1 instead of it's dinky default 2.1
[15:48] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac never had a single error in VMware ;)
[15:49] <ravalox> But that requires such specialized knowledge I'd have to see if someone owned that motherboard first.
[15:49] <ravalox> or something.
[15:49] <jaffarkelshac> i think its the modules for the current kernel
[15:49] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac on which version of the kernel are you running that baby?
[15:50] <GoodJob> 2.6.25?
[15:50] <jaffarkelshac> 2.6.24
[15:50] <GoodJob> oh
[15:50] <GoodJob> you should update the kernel
[15:50] <jaffarkelshac> when did 25 come out
[15:50] <GoodJob> don't you know?
[15:51] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: I dont know what they mean by "collect"
[15:51] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: less than a week ago i think
[15:51] <GoodJob> it's a couple of days now since it's out ;)
[15:51] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: me neither
[15:51] <jaffarkelshac> i had about 75 updates lately none for kernel
[15:51] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: save the files wont hurt
[15:51] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac strange
[15:51] <tretle> when are pulse audio controls being added to hardy
[15:51] <tretle> ?
[15:52] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac maybe you need to recompile the kernel and install it?
[15:52] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: so back up everything in /usr/lib32 ?
[15:52] <tretle> I can change the device to pulse audio mixer but I just have the master volume in it
[15:52] <GoodJob> the latest one i mean
[15:52] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: just the 2 files mentioned I think. I am really not certain
[15:53] <jaffarkelshac> i am not that confident in recompiling kernel  and no idea how to do it GoodJob
[15:53] <tretle> and I can find any options on setting the volume of individual applications either
[15:53] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: I've no idea where this ia32-libs is, I only know of the deb
[15:54] <Trewas> GoodJob: hardy uses kernel 2.6.24, something newer is intrepid territory
[15:54] <_Lucretia_> HardyOne: gonna ask on #ati
[15:54] <HardyOne> _Lucretia_: good idea
[15:54] <crimsun> Trewas: they're not.
[15:54] <crimsun> Trewas: sorry
[15:54] <jaffarkelshac> Trewas, so ther eis no 2.6.25?
[15:54] <crimsun> tretle: they're not.
[15:55] <crimsun> tretle: install pavucontrol from universe.
[15:55] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: 2.6.25 was released less than a week ago
[15:55] <Trewas> jaffarkelshac: no
[15:55] <ibleed> in gnome network manager how do i switch from a wireless connection to a wired one ?
[15:55] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: it (or a newer kernel) will be part of a later release of ubuntu, not hardy
[15:55] <Fritzel> I'm trying to create a new icon, what type of file is svg? gimp doesn't know what kind it is
[15:56] <tretle> any idea why they didnt?
[15:56] <dystopianray> Fritzel: svg is a xml based vector format
[15:56] <jbroome> Fritzel: inkscape is what you need for svg
[15:56] <dystopianray> Fritzel: i've heard that inkscape is great for svg
[15:56] <jaffarkelshac> i get it now, 2.6.24-16...17..18 will be the hardy update and 2.6.25 will be fore the next release, ah much better
[15:56] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac http://howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[15:56] <Fritzel> er ok then better question what kind of files can be used as a desktop icon?
[15:56] <Fritzel> png's don't seem to be recognized
[15:57] <crimsun> ibleed: have you plugged in a wired connection?
[15:57] <GoodJob> jaffarkelshac please use the version numbers 2.6.25 instead of those for the old kernel in that tutorial
[15:57] <ibleed> yes i have crimsun and i still have the wireless icon in the panel
[15:57] <crimsun> ibleed: did you click the applet and choose Wired Network?
[15:57] <dystopianray> GoodJob: why are you suggesting that he install a new kernel?
[15:58] <jaffarkelshac> i thought that was for the next release
[15:58] <ibleed> crimsun, i right clicked and uncheck "wireless" buy my connection is still wireless
[15:58] <crimsun> ibleed: no, choose Wired Network with the primary-click (left-click, normally?)
[15:58] <dystopianray> jaffarkelshac: don't install a new kernel, there is no need for you to do so
[15:58] <GoodJob> dystopianray it's a thing we all should do :)   but not me 'cause i'm still stuck on Windows XP... but only for 1 day now ;)
[15:59] <ibleed> when i left click it crimsun it only allows me to do "manual configuration"
[15:59] <jaffarkelshac> i dont intend to dystopianray, i will find another way to install vmware on hardy
[15:59] <dystopianray> GoodJob: please don't suggest suck ridiculous things to people, you're probably going to ruin his ubuntu
[15:59] <crimsun> ibleed: is your wired nic's driver loaded?
[16:00] <Almindor> back
[16:00] <ibleed> crimsun, it should be.  i haven't messed with drivers or anything.  i just made the mistake of attempting wireless and can't figure out how to go back to wired
[16:00] <Almindor> something is most defenetly not right with hardy
[16:00] <Almindor> not sure if it's realted to ff/flash tho
[16:00] <crimsun> Almindor: what's the issue?
[16:00] <Almindor> I'm getting 100% cpu/hdd activity with "microfreezes" of only certain apps (the new scheduler perhaps?)
[16:01] <Almindor> eg: right now pidgin got frozen, I can't even type in there but xchat works (there's a ff/flash opened)
[16:01] <Almindor> it usually takes about 5s per app, and the hdd/cpu cycle is about 1m
[16:01] <Almindor> started recently tho
[16:01] <Almindor> (week perhaps even less, I only had updatedb hdd activity before)
[16:02] <crimsun> Almindor: hmm.  I've noticed that, too, and it doesn't seem to be FF/Flash/PA
[16:02] <Almindor> feel very "windows like"
[16:02] <GoodJob> we should all update to the latest kernel when we install the final Ubuntu that comes out tommorow
[16:02] <crimsun> GoodJob: err, what?
[16:02] <GoodJob> so that we don't get hacked or anything
[16:02] <dystopianray> crimsun: he's a troll
[16:02] <crimsun> dystopianray: k, thanks.
[16:03] <GoodJob> ok suit yourself guys
[16:03]  * Almindor hopes it's some sort of minor oversight problem, or atleast a workaround is there
[16:03] <GoodJob> i'm gonna do it
[16:03] <Almindor> problem is, I can't find the culprit
[16:03] <crimsun> Almindor: firefox seems to be aggressively caching/flushing
[16:03] <crimsun> Almindor: just watching top here (even though I know I'm supposed to use exmap-gtk)
[16:04] <Almindor> crimsun, sounds logical, which reminds me, FF is one of the few apps which will get updated right? (eg: after release, not just bugfix updates)
[16:04] <Almindor> top is top :P
[16:05] <talavis> any one else having troubles with the i386 alternate cd?
[16:06] <dystopianray> talavis: apparently the kubuntu one doesn't work
[16:06] <Almindor> crimsun, aren't you per chance on amd64?
[16:06] <crimsun> Almindor: not on this box, which is ia32.
[16:06] <rkerr> hm... so I installed with Wubi last week. That placed an icon on the desktop for my Windows drive. Then after updating to the latest packages yesterday, the desktop icon is gone, and the fstab entry is also gone.
[16:07] <Almindor> anyone here with ati/fglrx on ubuntu64? :)
[16:07] <talavis> dystopianray: so it's more people having it? good to know, thanks
[16:07] <dystopianray> talavis: is it the kubuntu alternate you're using?
[16:08] <talavis> dystopianray: yes, the final ones up for testing now
[16:09] <dystopianray> talavis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220030
[16:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220030 in ubuntu "Kubuntu Alternate Install CD - Stop making coasters!" [Undecided,New]
[16:10] <talavis> dystopianray: i have seen that one and reported one myself, but my problem is different from that one
[16:10] <dystopianray> talavis: oh?
[16:10] <talavis> dystopianray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/220804
[16:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220804 in ubuntu "Kubuntu 8.04 alternate CD not working past initial menu" [Undecided,New]
[16:11] <co0lingFir3> is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?
[16:11] <dystopianray> talavis: did you verify that it burnt successfully?
[16:11] <talavis> dystopianray: checked md5 of both iso and burned cd
[16:12] <dystopianray> talavis: is it possible to use the desktop cd at all?
[16:13] <talavis> dystopianray: i haven't tested, want an encrypted fs, will download it now
[16:14] <dystopianray> talavis: the desktop cd won't support an encrypted fs sadly
[16:14] <talavis> dystopianray: i know, that's why i was trying with the alternate
[16:16] <b4l74z4r> when i installed gutsy, it reserved almost 6 gb of hd space for the swap file, has this fault been corrected in hardy?
[16:17] <dystopianray> b4l74z4r: manually specify the exact size you want
[16:17] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> I found a fix for my problem
[16:18] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> Closed Source Software fixed it
[16:18] <b4l74z4r> ok, but i'm thinking that beginners will tend to go for the automatic partitioning and therefore that fault should be corrected
[16:18] <dystopianray> kahrytan: what did you do?
[16:19] <dystopianray> kahrytan: is that the 800x600 issue still?
[16:19] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> nividia-config
[16:19] <kahrytan> dystopianray-> displayconfig-gtk doesnt support my monitor. but nvidia-config does
[16:19] <dystopianray> ah ok
[16:20] <kahrytan> even the games work.
[16:21] <dystopianray> nice
[16:22] <elcuco> hi all, is anyone using iwl3945? it's not working for me
[16:22] <kahrytan> and 800x600 is set to @60
[16:22] <crimsun> elcuco: any better luck w/ linux-backports-modules-$(uname -r) installed?
[16:23] <elcuco> crimsun, and using ipw3945? the closed source driver?
[16:23] <co0lingFir3> hi guys, is it normal that hardy removed the update-manager with a recent update?
[16:23] <crimsun> elcuco: sorry?
[16:23] <edugonch> hello, is there a minimal cd for 8.1
[16:23] <edugonch> 8.10?
[16:23] <crimsun> co0lingFir3: it shouldn't be, no.
[16:24] <dystopianray> elcuco: no he's using iwl3945, the open souce driver
[16:24] <crimsun> edugonch: do you mean 8.04?  8.10 isn't even sketched out fully...
[16:24] <edugonch> yes sorry
[16:24] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: strange... so update-manager should still be installed?
[16:24] <crimsun> edugonch: well, there's a netinstall image.
[16:24] <elcuco> dystopianray, you confused me now... is the open source driver usable at all?
[16:24] <dystopianray> elcuco: yes of course
[16:24] <crimsun> co0lingFir3: if the ubuntu-desktop metapackage is installed, yes.
[16:25] <elcuco> sweet, i don't have the firmwares... that might be the problem. how come it's not in the install cd?
[16:25] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: on a april 22nd update it removed the following packages: ubuntu-desktop, update-manager and update-notifier. how can that be?
[16:25] <edugonch> I'm trying to install a textbase system from alternate cd but I can't do it, there isn't the option in that cd, so I'm trying to install it with other methods
[16:25] <dystopianray> elcuco: it is
[16:25] <evanfraser> Hi folks
[16:25] <edugonch> I just need a minimal installation
[16:26] <genii> So after tomorrow this channel will be for Ibex?
[16:26] <jbroome> yup
[16:26] <crimsun> genii: s/tomorrow/hardy's release/
[16:26] <evanfraser> One of my servers no longer boots after I've upgraded it to 8.04.  I can't see any actual errors in the boot up log is the weird thing
[16:26] <genii> crimsun: Thanks
[16:26] <evanfraser> it just hangs after: [  153.020215] checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (bad gzip magic numbers); looks like an initrd
[16:26] <evanfraser> [  153.137379] Freeing initrd memory: 8191k freed
[16:26] <ionstorm> How long should a pentium 4 hyperthread 3.0 ghz with 1 gig of ram take to boot up hardy heron, for some reason bootchart says xorg starts after 1 minute of booting, is that too long?
[16:26] <evanfraser> any help would be much appreciated :)
[16:26] <elcuco> yes, it is, right /lib/firmware/2.6.24-16-generic/iwlwifi-3945.ucode
[16:27] <elcuco> dystopianray, so can you give me some points? how to fix/debug this issue?
[16:27] <dystopianray> elcuco: sorry i have no idea
[16:27]  * elcuco waits 5 minutes for the updates to finish
[16:28] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: oh i see. i use wicd instead of network-manager (for static ip) and ubuntu desktop requires the last of them
[16:28] <ionstorm> how long does it normally take to boot up hardy to the gdm login?
[16:28] <crimsun> ionstorm: depends on your machine and configured software.
[16:30] <co0lingFir3> crimsun: how do i create an archive with password?
[16:30] <evanfraser> what kind of archive?
[16:30] <jimcooncat> In the hype: "support for keyboard accessibility". Does this mean I'll be able to control Hardy with just my keyboard?
[16:31] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, do you mean a rar archive?
[16:31] <co0lingFir3> evanfraser: dont care. some kind of encrypted archive, but i dont think that zip supports encryption, does it?
[16:32] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, I'm certain you can password protect zips as well...
[16:32] <jimcooncat> Yes, you can zip with a password, but I don't believe that's all that secure
[16:33] <jimcooncat> After all, once you have a file you can just try and crack it all day
[16:33] <co0lingFir3> jimcooncat: and how do i do that?
[16:33] <jimcooncat> I'm no cracker. But the tools are out there.
[16:35] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3:  http://www.xs4all.nl/~itsme/projects/cracking/zip-passwords.html
[16:35] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3,
[16:35] <evanfraser> co0lingFir3, rar a <rarfilename> -p <files to rar>
[16:35] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3: here's one by our own ubuntugeek! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-crack-zip-files-password.html
[16:38] <genii> Is there some official release hour GMT? This Q is coming up often
[16:38] <jimcooncat> co0lingFir3: you'll want to look into gpg probably
[16:40] <co0lingFir3> jimcooncat & evanfraser: thx a lot!
[16:40] <dystopianray> genii: there isn't, but it'll probably be in the afternoon in GMT+1
[16:40] <genii> dystopianray: OK, thanks
[16:40] <fredreichbier> is there a special way to install the newest ATI (fglrx) drivers for hardy or is it mostly the same as with gutsy?
[16:41] <bullgard4> Where can I obtain the GNOME source code? (I believe in Hardy version 2.22. is current.)
[16:42] <dystopianray> bullgard4: upstream source or ubuntu's source?
[16:42] <bullgard4> Ubuntu's source.
[16:42] <evanfraser> Hi folks, if anyone has a spare minute, could you please take a look at my boot log and see if you can tell my system doesn't boot since upgrading to hardy?: http://www.barkboy.com/boot.log
[16:42] <Pici> bullgard4: You could use apt-get source
[16:42] <dystopianray> bullgard4: you can use apt to grab the source for any package
[16:43] <AzaTht> thought I wa going to report a bug, but, I don't really know to what package to report it
[16:43] <dystopianray> bullgard4: you can also use apt to install all the build deps for any package so you can actually compile it
[16:44] <AzaTht> in short: my tx1270eo, when it sleeps the screen, wont reactivate again
[16:44] <bullgard4> dystopianray: 'What is the name of the GNOME DEB program package?
[16:45] <dystopianray> bullgard4: i'm not sure, there may not be a single gnome source package
[16:46] <Arelis_> Hi, everybody. Is this computer completely compatible with Ubuntu? http://www.mediacomputers.nl/Productd.asp?POD={1177EC47-277B-4677-9CDA-592738C9F64C}
[16:46] <Exlax> It sure is.
[16:47] <dystopianray> AzaTht: did it work in previous versions?
[16:47] <AzaTht> anyone around having an tx1000?
[16:47] <Exlax> How's the 8.04 Release Client? is it stable enough for primary release?
[16:47] <Exlax> er
[16:47] <Exlax> release candidate*
[16:47] <AzaTht> dystopianray: on gusty yes
[16:47] <Arelis_> Exlax: _completely_ ?
[16:47] <Exlax> Enough.
[16:47] <evanfraser> Exlax, out of the four systems I've upgraded, two haven't been straight forward upgrades
[16:47] <dystopianray> AzaTht: what video card do you have?
[16:47] <uchimata> Hi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?
[16:47] <Exlax> I kinda butchered my 7.10 installation.
[16:47] <Arelis_> Exlax: "Enough"? How much compatible is it?
[16:47] <bullgard1> Exlax: Please define 'primary release'.
[16:48] <AzaTht> dystopianray: nvidia thingi
[16:48] <Exlax> Primary OS
[16:48] <dystopianray> Exlax: if you grab the latest daily build it'll probably be identical to the final
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: are you using nvidia's binary driver?
[16:48] <Exlax> That's what i thought.
[16:48] <AzaTht> yes
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: try the 'nv' driver and see if suspend works with that
[16:48] <AzaTht> ok
[16:48] <Exlax> Does wine run alright under 8.04? that's my deciding factor.
[16:48] <AzaTht> just deactivate the binary driver?
[16:48] <dystopianray> AzaTht: that should do it i think
[16:49] <dystopianray> Exlax: it should run just as well as it did in 7.10
[16:49] <Exlax> dystopianray: Thanks much. :) Grabbing it now, then.
[16:49] <dystopianray> Exlax: grab the latest build from here if you can: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:51] <Exlax> Thanks, dystopianray.
[16:51] <Exlax> Grabbing now.
[16:51] <kahrytan> Exlax->  Hardy has Nextto the nearest WINE version
[16:51] <kahrytan> newest*
[16:51] <AzaTht> dystopianray: hehe, even a bug in the binary package when trying to remove
[16:51] <kahrytan> Exlax-> wine-0.9.59
[16:52] <AzaTht> it tries to remove lib32/libGL...
[16:52] <ratpoison> Hello! Hardy user. I've just finished installing, tweaking and customising my installation. I now want to create a live-dvd that installs the same setup on multiple machines. How do I do that OR can you point me where to find info?
[16:54] <spowers> the weirdest thing happened with my hardy upgrade
[16:55] <spowers> from gutsy.  my nvidia driver broke (not weird) but I couldn't ctrl-alt-f1 anymore
[16:55] <spowers> from the "safe" X mode
[16:55] <spowers> it was frustrating, because that's how i usually fi x
[16:55] <spowers> fix x
[16:56] <pmratpoison> I've had similar experience with gutsy breaking my tty's
[16:56] <pmratpoison> this bug has been reported on launchpad
[16:56] <AzaTht> dystopianray: didn't work
[16:56] <genii> Same here with the TTYs
[16:57] <Mimi> !enter
[16:57] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:58] <pmratpoison> you can search launchpad for that issue, if it is the same problem, the solution proposed in launchpad may work
[16:58] <AzaTht> dystopianray: though perhaps I didn't explained goodly, it's the power down of the screen that's borked, not the cpu suspend
[16:58] <dystopianray> AzaTht: what do you mean?
[16:58] <evanfraser> Anyone know how to recreate an initrd file under ubuntu?
[16:58] <spowers> pmratpoison: i'll give it a try.. my gettys are still there, i was able to use chvt
[16:59] <AzaTht> when the computer has been idle for a while, the screen goes black
[16:59] <SunRayCafe> installed 8.04 RC yesterday. Getting seemingly random mouse and keyboard lockup. Other system activity seems to continue, and when they become active again a few seconds later they catchup any typing/movement that occurred in the meantime.
[16:59] <AzaTht> but when I tries to return, only the backlight is lit
[16:59] <spowers> and now that i'm using the vesa driver i can vt switch too
[17:00] <uchimata> Hi, anybody else problems with vpnc after upgrading to hardy?
[17:00] <jaffarkelshac> i am attempting to install vmware for hardy but it just wont work, something to do with vmmon modules any help would be appreciated
[17:01] <AzaTht> dystopianray: though the computer is accessable, just that the screen is kept black
[17:01] <pmratpoison> SunRayCafe: You can install screenlets and then find a widget that shows your heaviest processes. If you have it at desktop at all times, you will be able to guess what causes thoses lockups
[17:01] <AzaTht> (semi black)
[17:01] <SunRayCafe> ran htop in a console, doesn't seem to be related to a specific process...
[17:02] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: did you use the any-to-any patch?
[17:02] <SunRayCafe> oh, crap, found the cause :(
[17:02] <ionstorm> does hardy require more ram than gutsy?
[17:02] <SunRayCafe> it's my synergy. Sorry guys, thanks
[17:02] <dystopianray> AzaTht: it's black when it resumes or when you try to sleep?
[17:02] <fredreichbier> i just tried to install the latest fglrx and got that: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/43294/ - i don't know whether it is related to hardy
[17:02] <jaffarkelshac> i tried that but same problem uchimata
[17:02] <bullgard1> Pici: I cannot use apt-get source because I do not know 'source'.
[17:03] <chronos> Is there a DVD of Hardy I can download for my PPC mac?
[17:03] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: ok, that's the first step... you have to patch some lines, i'm searching for the corresponding how-to, gimme a second
[17:03] <d4t4min3r> can I install from flashdrive?
[17:03] <jaffarkelshac> uchimata, this is the output of my install if it helps http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7854/
[17:03] <AzaTht> dystopianray: when I tries to resume
[17:04] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: here we go: http://aldeby.org/blog/?p=113
[17:04] <genii> chronos: If there will be, you'll find it likely at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/
[17:04] <dystopianray> AzaTht: hrrm that is weird, i'm not sure what a possible solution could be, file a bug report about it
[17:04] <chronos> So it's not true that hardy isn't going to support the PPC?
[17:04] <pmratpoison> wasn't the ppc port discontinued?
[17:04] <uchimata> jaffarkelshac: I'm pretty sure this how to will help you
[17:05] <jaffarkelshac> thank you uchimata
[17:05] <AzaTht> dystopianray: to what package?
[17:05] <AzaTht> nvidia-glx-new?
[17:05] <genii> pmratpoison: ppc is now community supported. There is 7.10 for it, I see no reason there won't be also an 8.04
[17:06] <dystopianray> AzaTht: no, not if nv has the same problem, file it against the kernel maybe, it'll be changed if necessary
[17:06] <AzaTht> k
[17:06] <d4t4min3r> can I install from a flash drive?
[17:07] <pmratpoison> genii: after a little bit of googling, I just found that out
[17:08] <pmratpoison> chronos:  but anyway, if you require commercial support for the ppc, you can always change distro
[17:08] <a_l_e> genii: i don't think there will be a official 8.04 for ppc
[17:09] <pmratpoison> according to that ---> http://www.osnews.com/thread?306765 there wasa beta for ppc
[17:11] <pmratpoison> but anyway, If I had a ppc cpu, I would choose a distro that centers on ppc
[17:11] <jac0b|w> is anyone having problems with the kernel
[17:11] <genii> pmratpoison: YDL isn't a bad choice for PPC
[17:12] <Andycasss> how to uninstall bcm43xx drivers that came automatically? (I want to use ndiswrapper instead)
[17:12] <axion>  try slackintosh is also nice..
[17:12] <axion> however less userfriendly
[17:13] <Mimi> O.O I just spent 4 hours downloading updates to install hardy,... once I downloaded it all.. I got maybe 10 windows saying 'sorry emerald failed to... something... report problem" and same for AWN and a bunch more. Then it says "Sorry install failed" (the hardy install) "your system might be in a unstable state"
[17:13] <AzaTht> dystopianray: seems related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131626
[17:13] <jac0b|w> 2.6.24-16 kernel is giving me problems
[17:13] <jac0b|w> it won't boot
[17:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131626 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Sleep wakes up but screen is blank" [Medium,Triaged]
[17:13] <AzaTht> but not fully ヾ
[17:14] <dystopianray> AzaTht: do you have working hibernate?
[17:15] <AzaTht> can check
[17:15] <AzaTht> (that I know worked in gutsy at least)
[17:15] <GNUtoo> hello, is it possible to install hardy on qemu? grub didn't install and while booting the kenrel reset ata2...
[17:16] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: is there a particular reason to use qemu? you might find that virtualbox is a lot better
[17:16] <Mimi> "The upgrade aborts now. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a)." :/ What do I do?
[17:17] <GNUtoo> dystopianray, i don't know how to use virtualbox...
[17:17] <AzaTht> dystopianray: hibernate works just fine
[17:17] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: it's really easy to pick up
[17:17] <d4t4min3r> I have a question
[17:17] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: if you can use qemu then virtualbox should be trivial
[17:17] <Mimi> !ask
[17:17] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:18] <GNUtoo> dystopianray, debian works fine on qemu...so why can't ubuntu works fine?
[17:18] <dystopianray> GNUtoo: i'm not sure, i'd imagine it would
[17:18] <d4t4min3r> im out of blank cds and I want to install ubuntu, how else can I install
[17:18] <d4t4min3r> can I install within windows
[17:19] <Mimi> Yup, donwload Wubi
[17:19] <d4t4min3r> I want to overright windows
[17:19] <axion> you could use loadlin
[17:19] <SunRayCafe> Wubi doesn't work in RC, right?
[17:20] <d4t4min3r> doesn wubi just install ubuntu inside windows right
[17:21] <d4t4min3r> if I put the live cd on an external hdd can I run it from that
[17:22] <HardyOne> !install | d4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that
[17:22] <ubotu> d4t4min3r take a look at this link I believe you can do that: Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[17:22] <allquixotic> Hi, is there a way I can change the behavior of what happens when focus changes with metacity? Since a recent Hardy update, clicking on a background window that's maximized doesn't make foreground windows, which aren't maximized, to get lower Z priority and thus let the maximized draw overtop it.
[17:24] <AzaTht> dystopianray: ok, tried to explain in a bug then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/221085
[17:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 221085 in ubuntu "Screen sleep doesn't recover on my tx1000" [Undecided,New]
[17:24] <AzaTht> "first reported 0 seconds ago" ツ
[17:25] <AzaTht> dystopianray: do you by any chance have knowledge about wvdial?
[17:28] <dystopianray> AzaTht: no I don't, sorry
[17:28] <AzaTht> ok
[17:28] <AzaTht> gonny try poking some other folks then ツ
[17:29] <AzaTht> !wvdial
[17:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wvdial - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:30] <AzaTht> dumb bot, you shall everything know
[17:30] <genii> AzaTht: PErhaps try man wvdial on your Terminal
[17:30] <AzaTht> genii: I can use it, it's just that it borks sometimes, and is dumb on startup
[17:30] <genii> AzaTht: There is also a manpage for wvdial.conf
[17:31] <AzaTht> thanks ツ
[17:31] <AzaTht> genii: didn't find there why "kill -9 pidof_wvdial" doesn't work
[17:31] <genii> AzaTht: If you have a network adapter, it often becomes default gateway instead of the modem. There is some line you can add to wvdial.conf for this
[17:32] <genii> AzaTht: You may require suso with it
[17:32] <genii> *sudo
[17:32] <x-ip> hi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?
[17:32] <AzaTht> that's intresting, but not main problem (I usually deactivate the wireless when using the modem, but thanks anyway)
[17:33] <AzaTht> genii: the main problem is: 1: when I start it, it tries to send the PIN million if times, so I have to ctrl-c it
[17:33] <AzaTht> 2: I can't kill it if it looses the carrier
[17:34] <genii> AzaTht: Sounds like something bad with your Expect script that sends the name/pass   etc
[17:34] <AzaTht> possibly
[17:34] <AzaTht> tried to follow what I found on the net for my huawei e220
[17:35] <xFlipx> is intel 965 chipset still blacklisted for the upcoming release?
[17:36] <psymin> A buddy of mine recently installed Heron beta.  He's having difficulty getting intel 3945 working using iwl3945 .. any advice?  Is there a repository with ipw3945?
[17:37] <m11> hello
[17:37] <AzaTht> genii: this is the "result" when I connect: http://rafb.net/p/BmSblX72.html
[17:37] <genii> AzaTht: Since you seem to have some custom stuff in there for your setup, it would be difficult to diagnose exact issue
[17:38] <Mimi> Hi... I tried to upgrade to Hardy using update-manager --devel-release ... it downloaded all the files, took 4 hours haha... anyway, once it tried to install, all my apps except gnomre closed with a 'report error' message... now when I try to do any updates, I get "you must do a partial update" which also fails
[17:38] <AzaTht> genii: my wwdial.con is http://rafb.net/p/ID9wGD46.html
[17:39] <Mimi> I then did apt-get update and upgrade in terminal and that worked, but  update-manager still tells me i must do a partial update. I dont wanna do it because its gonna break the files again.
[17:40] <Zarvox> hi all
[17:40] <AzaTht> Mimi: remove non-ubuntu thingis from /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:41] <jac0b|w> has anyone had a problem when booting up the new kernel?
[17:41] <genii> AzaTht: The comma in username could be problemmatic
[17:41] <Zarvox> the brightness of my laptop screen is diming automaticly
[17:42] <AzaTht> genie: true, (wonder where that came from)
[17:42] <AzaTht> but it doesn't "use" that antway ツ
[17:42] <jac0b|w> the new hardy kernel won't boot for me but I can boot with my old kernel could anyone help me
[17:43] <xFlipx> Does anybody know if the Intel 965 chipset is still blacklisted for the upcoming heron release?
[17:43] <genii> AzaTht: The thing uses some odd control strings, not Hayes standard type stuff. You might want to find some listing of them to know you have the syntax correct for that exact model
[17:43] <Zarvox> i've upgraded my RC with latest kernel and no problem for me
[17:44] <AzaTht> genii: I see
[17:44] <jac0b|w> Zarvox: what version do you have?
[17:45] <Zarvox> 2.6.24-16-generic is the latest ?
[17:45] <jac0b|w> I tried reinstalling the kernel but it didn't do anything
[17:46] <jac0b|w> I look to see if mine is the generic
[17:46] <AzaTht> ubuntu isn't using pdiff?
[17:46] <jac0b|w> but I know it is the 2.6.24-16.30
[17:47] <Zarvox> for me screen brightness of my laptop decrease automaticly
[17:47] <Mimi> Help.... hardy destroyed my install :P
[17:47] <AzaTht> Zarvox: yes, that's a feature
[17:47] <HardyOne> Mimi: you are SOL
[17:48] <HardyOne> :P
[17:48] <jac0b|w> is it recommended that you do  a clean install or is a web upgrade okay?
[17:48] <Zarvox> LOL
[17:48] <tannewt> Hi all, how has suspend/resume changed since gutsy?  I wrote a bash script to run upon suspend and resume but they are no longer being run.
[17:48] <Mimi> I didnt do anything wrong though....
[17:48] <Andycasss> why doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?!
[17:48] <HardyOne> Zarvox: right click on the top panel and add the brightness app
[17:48] <Mimi> All I did was go to the FAQ on how to install hardy, types update manager -- dist upgrade or whatever, and went from there.
[17:48] <Andycasss> ifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface
[17:48] <HardyOne> Mimi: more info then destroyed my install is needed to help you
[17:49] <AzaTht> Zarvox: it's to save energy
[17:49] <Mimi> Yes, and if you havent noticed, Ive described above what i've done :(
[17:49] <Zarvox> yes HardyOne and now ?
[17:49] <Mimi> I noticed something is different, the shut down picture is different now. but the booting up picture is the same. gdm does not start, saying i have to set it up manually
[17:50] <AzaTht> Zarvox: if you don't want it,  go to Settings → Power settings and disable it
[17:50] <Fade> I really hate bootsplash. :)
[17:50] <AzaTht> energy/Power whatever
[17:50] <HardyOne> Zarvox: you can adjust the brightness with that app. but also in the System>Preferences I believe there is a setting you can uncheck. dont remember where right now
[17:50] <AzaTht> Fade: then remove it ツ
[17:50] <Fade> i always do.
[17:51] <HardyOne> energy/power management
[17:51] <HardyOne> :)
[17:51] <AzaTht> HardyOne: yea
[17:51] <Zarvox> tx HardyOne
[17:51] <AzaTht> didn't rememver if it was energy or power ツ
[17:52] <HardyOne> Zarvox: np thanks to AzaTht also :)
[17:52] <savvas> anyone with a freash release candidate? please do this and tell me if it prompts you for a login user/password or if it show an error: nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net
[17:52] <Zarvox> yes tx all :-)
[17:52] <savvas> *fresh install of
[17:52] <Mimi> HardyOne, ... with the information I have given... can you pinpoint the problem? :/
[17:53] <HardyOne> !gdm
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gdm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <HardyOne> hmmm
[17:53] <AdrianStrays> Is the Sabayon User important?  I installed a splash screen which showed all the different users, and there is a user called sabayon, which I know nothing about, and wanted to remove from the users list
[17:53] <tanath> o.O
[17:53] <Mimi> Well, does it mean that I've lost everything and I got to do a fresh install again... ?
[17:54] <AzaTht> savvas: "Error: Illegal response"
[17:54] <savvas> not Error: Invalid reply AzaTht ?
[17:54] <Fritzel> does anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?
[17:54] <AzaTht> savvas: pobably, I had it in Swedish
[17:54] <AzaTht> manual translation
[17:54] <Zarvox> i've installed hardy rc an hour ago and i've no big problem
[17:54] <savvas> AzaTht: ok hold a sec
[17:54] <HardyOne> Mimi: try this /etc/init.d/gdm start
[17:55] <HardyOne> Mimi: no it does not mean that you have to do a fresh install
[17:55] <HardyOne> not yet atleast
[17:55] <Zarvox> for me hardy is the better version of ubuntu i try
[17:55] <Mimi> HardyOne, I tried and it said.. somethink like "Warning! Gdm is already running! aborting" but when i went ctrl alt f7 there was nothing there
[17:56] <jac0b|w> I am getting "VFS root device can't be found" can anyone help me?
[17:56] <savvas> AzaTht: how about now: nautilus ftp://ftp.greek-fun.com
[17:56] <AzaTht> Mimi: try "sudo pkill -HUP gdm"
[17:56] <Andycasss> why doesnt ifconfig give me "wlan0", while iwconfig does?! ifup wlan0 gives me unknown interface
[17:57] <AzaTht> savvas: I'm gettng login prompt, but trying to login as anonymous I get invalid reply
[17:57] <AzaTht> (to vortex I don't get an login prompt)
[17:58] <AzaTht> !spam
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[17:58] <savvas> AzaTht: that one is ok, the vortex that is freebsd-based doesn't seem to work
[17:58] <Mimi> Man it would be so great if i could use my ubuntu partition on virtualbox so i can fix this from windows :P Alright Im going to be dual booting a lot... so after I kill gdm, what do you think I should try AzaTht ? :P
[17:58] <jac0b|w> no one knows anything about the VFS can't find root device error?
[17:58] <x1250> start it
[17:58] <AzaTht> Mimi: not kill, HUPing
[17:58] <Mimi> oh
[17:58] <AzaTht> HUP tells gdb to restart
[17:58] <AzaTht> gdm*
[17:58] <Mimi> Oh that's nice
[17:59] <savvas> AzaTht: final request, can you run "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r" in a separate terminal and try "nautilus ftp://vortex.sh3lls.net" again? you could reply to this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525283
[17:59] <ubotu> Gnome bug 525283 in ftp backend "gvfs ftp error "invalid reply" without login prompt" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[17:59] <m11>  i have setup PXE install server and it worked until reboot, now i have problem with dchp3 server not starting. (cant stop/start/restart) , how can i check what is blocking it to start ?
[17:59] <AzaTht> lets see
[18:00] <Mimi> Let me go try that :-) Thanks. (though when it 'started', it said something like 'sorry could not start, you need to config x  manually' or somehting like that AzaTht  (I know you're busy helping others too so please take your time :P )
[18:00] <genii> jac0b|w: That usually means your initrd is missing/corrupt. Happens if for instance you had a kernel upgrade and then it didn't have a chance to run initramfs on it
[18:00] <m11> mimi , dpkg-reconfigrue xserver-xorg
[18:00] <jac0b|w> genii: how would I run the initramfs
[18:00] <AzaTht> Mimi: been there, done that, seems you have a borked xconfig file
[18:01] <AzaTht> savvas: trying
[18:01] <savvas> AzaTht: ok thanks, the correct first line should be something like this: <-- 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
[18:01] <Mimi> Arg, sounds like my mouse and laptop media keys are gonna go bye bye again :p everytime ubuntu makes me do that, i lose all my settings. alright, going to try, see ya all really soon ;p
[18:01] <AzaTht> savvas: http://rafb.net/p/4sCEeo11.html
[18:02] <savvas> interesting, then i'm not alone :P
[18:02] <genii> jac0b|w: Boot to livecd, mount old / somewhere, also loopmount /proc /sys and /dev to where they would be on the old /       then chroot there and do an apt-get install <somekernelname>
[18:02] <savvas> AzaTht: could you reply with that output to the bug link?
[18:03] <AzaTht> ok
[18:03] <jac0b|w> genii: any live CD or ubuntu
[18:03] <AzaTht> savvas: need to reg firsty
[18:04] <genii> jac0b|w: An ubuntu would be preferable, since loopmounting the dirs I said (/proc /sys /dev)
[18:05] <DanaG> mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/dev  (where /mnt is the mount point)
[18:05] <savvas> AzaTht: if it's not much of a problem, please do, I'd like to see that bug fixed :)
[18:05] <jimcooncat> Will online docs be available right off, or will we have to wait for a week as with gutsy?
[18:05] <DanaG> and do the same for /proc
[18:06] <genii> jac0b|w: If you mount the old /dev/sda1 (for instance) to /mnt  then DanaG's instructions make sense
[18:06] <DanaG> Bind is much easier to remember than that type none, -o none, or whatever the heck it is.
[18:07] <dreamz93> j #xubuntu+1
[18:08] <quittt> is Hardy released?
[18:08] <Phoop> Hello. When booting the RC of 8.04 it hangs while loading the Hardware Abstraction Layer hald. It is the same thing I had with Gutsy. Do I have some shitty hardware in my machine or..?
[18:10] <LARefugee> Hi. Has anyone upgrade from Dapper to Hardy according to the docs in release notes? How did it go?
[18:10] <jac0b|w> genii: if I were to do a clean install would that be easier
[18:11] <genii> jac0b|w: Frankly, yes
[18:11] <jac0b|w> it sounds like it
[18:11] <jac0b|w> thanks for the help
[18:14] <Mimi> HardyOne, hey there :) the xorg reconfigured thing worked alright :) Thanks... but no internet connection xD Mmmm either way... I'm not sure what to do next ;p
[18:14] <Creeture> So, is it just me or does Firefox 3 seem awfully unstable
[18:14] <pen> anyone know the most complete icon set ever in ubuntu?
[18:14] <pen> most consistent
[18:14] <jac0b|w> genii: what about dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version#
[18:15] <savvas> Creeture: unstable when doing what?
[18:15] <Creeture> savvas: Try to save a file.
[18:16] <Creeture> It's weird. I click a link to save, and firefox freezes. In an attempt to see what it's doing, I start an strace on that pid. When I start the strace, firefox starts responding again.
[18:16] <Creeture> Unless I stop the strace, then it freezes again.
[18:16] <savvas> Creeture: download a file you mean? or save a website? either way, mine works
[18:17] <Creeture> savvas: Yeah, it's just being kooky.
[18:19] <savvas> Creeture: you could start fresh (losing all your extensions, passwords, bookmarks, configuration) by clearing up .mozilla/ and do "sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox-3.0"
[18:19] <jac0b|w> if I were to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version# would that fix a problem i have initramfs
[18:19] <quittt> to update it, just change all gutsy in sources.list to hardy??
[18:19] <Creeture> savvas: I just finished that little experiment. Same thing.
[18:20] <alteregoa> ok, how can i pileup hardy to 2.6.25
[18:20] <savvas> Creeture: did you reinstall firefox or firefox-3.0 ?
[18:20] <alteregoa> i can't smell the kernel , it doesn't work somehow
[18:20] <Creeture> savvas: That's the only part I skipped. Going to do it now.
[18:20] <noodlesgc> anyone know if the intel 965 x3100 compiz and video playback issues are fixed in Hardy?
[18:20] <quittt> oh Firefox is very sucky... I stick with SeaMonkey hehe
[18:21] <paynito> after upgrading to 8.04 with synaptic i am in commandline and startx fails with xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) unable to connect to X server
[18:21] <alteregoa> i use internet exploderer
[18:21] <savvas> Creeture: apt-cache policy firefox-3.0 | grep -i "installed\|candidate"
[18:21] <warrendX> hi
[18:21] <warrendX> i would like to know if there's also an hour planned for the hardy release?
[18:22] <savvas> no warrendX
[18:22] <warrendX> ok
[18:22] <Creeture> savvas: Both are 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[18:22] <orthodoc> guys how do we upgrade from the devloper release?
[18:22] <orthodoc> does it just happen?
[18:22] <warrendX> savvas : also not a hour deadline?
[18:23] <warrendX> i had liked to know if it would be released before tomorrow 8h (GTM+2), but i don't think so
[18:23] <savvas> orthodoc: if you update, you get the current hardy, and you'll get the released one the same way, through updates :) you're already using hardy
[18:23] <orthodoc> yes i am
[18:23] <alteregoa> whats a seamonkey? ancient african homo erectus?
[18:24] <savvas> Creeture: might be one of your plugins? :\ or does it do the same thing when you run it after you clear up .mozilla/firefox ?
[18:24] <orthodoc> savvas: just wanted to know if i 've to run any particular command
[18:24] <savvas> orthodoc: nope :)
[18:24] <orthodoc> ok...
[18:24] <savvas> warrendX: i'm not sure, but why do you ask?
[18:24] <orthodoc> how many hrs from now??
[18:25] <warrendX> because i wanted to download when i'm away :)
[18:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> 'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other apps like that available to me?
[18:25] <topyli> alteregoa: the old style mozilla suite with the browser, mail client and composer bundled
[18:25] <alteregoa> nice
[18:25] <alteregoa> so tomorow i have to apt-get update another 600mb?
[18:25] <orthodoc> not aware if there is any auto upgrade procedures yet!
[18:26] <savvas> warrendX: you can make a script for that :P
[18:26] <warrendX> for what? :)
[18:26] <orthodoc> ok...
[18:26] <savvas> warrendX: to check 2-3 hours and try download it
[18:26] <Creeture> savvas: I think I may have tracked it down. I did your suggestion. Cleaned and reinstalled. At the hardy welcome page, put in lightning in the google search box. Went to the mozilla lightning page and did the save link as after following the linux x86 link. it worked. then, i did edit preferences, changed my download option to prompt for where to save and did the same thing again. locked up.
[18:26] <noodlesgc> hello anyone please? I need to know if intel 965 is unblacklisted in Hardy?
[18:26] <warrendX> ow yeah , would be nice
[18:26] <alteregoa> i don't think i need a clean install
[18:27] <x-ip> hi, there is a way to get the .deb from e17 so i could install them at my hardy heron ?
[18:27] <savvas> Creeture: you could run firefox from a terminal then, just to see if there's an output :)
[18:27] <Baby_Shambl3s> 'ello just wondering since I cant use compiz I wont be able to use AWN (Avant dock) is there any other docking stations that i could use?
[18:27] <Creeture> savvas: already doing it. no output.
[18:27] <Pici> x-ip: Enlightenment is in the repositories
[18:27] <alteregoa> ok i tried to download the iso on a BBS with ZMODEM, but it takes a few hours
[18:28] <x-ip> ou, Pici but is the 0.16 and i want the 0.17
[18:28] <Creeture> savvas: Something in this fiddling around has made it better.
[18:28] <orthodoc> warrendX: find a nice installation script her - http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/install.html
[18:28] <x-ip> Version: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-5
[18:28] <Pici> x-ip: ah, so I suppose it is, nevermind
[18:28] <orthodoc> but it requires interaction...
[18:28] <Pici> x-ip: You'll have to search yourself for a packaged version of E then
[18:29] <x-ip> ok =), thanks
[18:29] <x-ip> hmmm where are the repositories from elubuntu ?
[18:29] <alteregoa> elbuntu?
[18:29] <x-ip> i saw it called eubuntu too
[18:29] <spowers> if i try modprobe nvidia, and dmesg shows  nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module  does that sound familiar to anyone?
[18:29] <x-ip> the documentation isnt updated, so the links doesnt work anymore
[18:30] <alteregoa> potprobe ganjidia dmsg smoke
[18:30] <Creeture> savvas: Looks like it's not just firefox. It's just a symptom. I'm seeing some crash data in dmesg.
[18:31] <paynito> do i really need the -f  on my sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:31] <Baby_Shambl3s> so im guessing i cant use docking apps like AWN without conky or beryl... but their must be other apps that do the same but dont rely on conky/beryl, can someone suggets soemthing :(?
[18:31] <Creeture> paynito: In my opinion, you should use aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:31] <savvas> Creeture: try report a bug about it :)
[18:32] <paynito> thanks, why is aptitude better?
[18:32] <Creeture> savvas: Don't know what to report yet. :) Thanks for the help so far though.
[18:32] <warrendX> orthodoc : wasn't there also something to download the iso today and download when it's out the changes, or something like thatN
[18:32] <warrendX> N
[18:32] <warrendX> ?
[18:33] <savvas> Creeture: there's another rather risky way to clear up most if not all gnome-related configurations, it helped me clear up a lot of bugs
[18:33] <Creeture> stuff is segfaulting all over the place.
[18:33] <orthodoc> the official release will be out tommorrow and you can download the release the iso then
[18:33] <orthodoc> but the problem is, everyone will be downloading...
[18:33] <warrendX> i thought you could download RC
[18:33] <Fritzel> does anyone else have any issues with flash playing for 2 seconds then halting?
[18:33] <orthodoc> and the servers will be loaded
[18:33] <warrendX> and ownload potential chnages
[18:33] <orthodoc> yes you could download RCas well
[18:33] <Creeture> I'm getting segfaults from x-session-manager now, along with kded (started because amarok ROCKS).
[18:34] <d4t4min3r> I can't get my wifi to work, im using a usb linksys wifi and its listing networks in the network think, showing the network "linksys" and it connects but
[18:34] <savvas> Creeture: ah.. kde.. not my "experties" :P
[18:34] <d4t4min3r> it won't work. and when you look at the connection details it doesn't have any.. ip address or any info
[18:34] <orthodoc> am not sure about downloading potential changes, but you can keep updating and upgrading the RC
[18:34] <Creeture> savvas: I'm actually using xubuntu, but amarok starts up kded and kdeinit.
[18:34] <Creeture> This thing is being weird.
[18:34] <warrendX> ok
[18:35] <orthodoc> one of the reasons why i upgrade to the RC just before the release...
[18:36] <d4t4min3r> could anyone help me
[18:36] <savvas> warrendX: there's another solution, you could download the rc, and then use rsync to download just the file changes
[18:36] <orthodoc> ...of the final version...
[18:36] <warrendX> was that then
[18:36] <orthodoc> there never is actually a final release..
[18:36] <warrendX> but there aren't any important changes or updates?
[18:36] <orthodoc> there is only a named release...
[18:36] <d4t4min3r> could anyone help me with connectign to the interent
[18:37] <savvas> warrendX: well... there were some 150mb of updates these days..
[18:37] <orthodoc> changes and updates keep happening
[18:37] <warrendX> ok
[18:37] <warrendX> i mean between RC and tomorrow?
[18:37] <orthodoc> but usually it is robust enough and it is not necessary to update except for the security releases
[18:37] <orthodoc> remember this is a LTS
[18:38] <Mimi> lts = limited time support?
[18:38] <savvas> long :p
[18:38] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me with wifi problems
[18:38] <savvas> 3 years for desktop, 5 for server
[18:38] <warrendX> long time ^^
[18:38] <Mimi> oh ok  :)
[18:38] <Mimi> !ask | d4t4min3r
[18:38] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[18:38] <ravalox> d4t4miner, I may be able to
[18:39] <ravalox> Is it an Atheros card?
[18:39] <savvas> !wifi | d4t4min3r
[18:39] <ubotu> d4t4min3r: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> just installed 8.04 and the wifi is picking up networks, including mine
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> I click to connect to it, and it says connected but I can't surf to any page including the 192.168.1...
[18:39] <d4t4min3r> and.. if I click on connection detials it says its all empy... ip address all that is empy
[18:40] <orthodoc> the first thing i noticed today id that hibernation is working on my laptop...
[18:40] <d4t4min3r> im using linksys usb wifi
[18:41] <pen> anyone know the most complete icon set available in ubuntu?
[18:41] <Laney> Tango?
[18:41] <orthodoc> pen: the ultimate gnome
[18:41] <warrendX> pen: search on gnome-look, but i would recommend you humanElephant or nuovext or tango
[18:42] <pen> ok
[18:42] <pen> any others?
[18:42] <pen> I want some variety too
[18:42] <warrendX> humanElephant looks nice on hardy
[18:42] <Boohbah> humanElephant is a scary name
[18:43] <pen> lol
[18:43] <LinuxGuy1234> Just installed 8.04 in VBox under Gusty... and works
[18:43] <warrendX> or it was human savannah or something like that
[18:43] <Fritzel> are there any mmo's aside from Everquest, Everquest 2, and WoW that have controls like those games and run in some form or another on ubuntu? I can't find a game that has controls that I can tolerate
[18:44] <nanonyme> Is humanelephant a God that has a human's body and an elephant's head?
[18:44] <Mimi> Fritzel, Guild Wars?
[18:45] <siriusnova> Fritzel - MMORPGs are horrid
[18:45] <Fritzel> er I ment to put guildwars on the list, too
[18:45] <siriusnova> I played WoW till i realized I was an addict
[18:45] <Mimi> Oh ok:)
[18:45] <siriusnova> and gave up on it
[18:45] <siriusnova> it was like going through a real addiction, withdrawls and everything lol
[18:45] <Mimi> If you had a life you woudlnt get addicted to it!!! ....  jk. *cough* Yeah, gotta focus on.. doing... something... productive!!! *goes read more about ubuntu* xD
[18:45] <Fritzel> -nod- yeah they can do that, so do you know of any other games with good controls?
[18:45] <tomd123> so have the updates stopped coming since they are finalizing the releasE?
[18:46] <spowers> someone should make wesnoth massively multiplayer
[18:46] <spowers> or uqm
[18:46] <tomd123> easier said then done
[18:47] <spowers> i don't really mean someone should do it
[18:47] <spowers> but i bet it would be fun
[18:48] <tomd123> spowers: you should start creating it. Seriously that's how open source gets done, someone gets an idea and makes it into a reality rather than leaving it as an idea
[18:48] <Creeture> Gonna go reboot, see if this thing quits segfaulting
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> ok so I guess I should try ndis drivers for my wifi usb device but.. I don't have the origanal disk with the drivers on it..
[18:48] <spowers> tomd123: yeah, i could..  if it really, really tickled my fancy
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> it doesn't make sense that it can pick them up and show them... but it just won't connect
[18:48] <d4t4min3r> well it shows connected with three bars just I can't surft to any site
[18:49] <spowers> tomd123: i mean, enough to get good at C.  i'm not sure the uqm project would appreciate me sending them a bunch of half-arsed changes in a giant patch that probably broke half their game
[18:50] <spowers> is anyone else having trouble with the binary nvidia driver in hardy after an upgrade from gutsy? i cannot get the kernel module to load.
[18:50] <tomd123> spowers: I meant starting your own fork, not just patching their game lol, that would be ridiculous
[18:50] <Fritzel> I'll mess with wesnoth I've never actually played it maybe I can get into it
[18:50] <spowers> wesnoth is a fun game!
[18:50] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me
[18:51] <Fritzel> it certainly seems detailed
[18:51] <tomd123> spowers: fork as in keep game play, just make it an mmo, lol, I guess you shouldn't start it then if you don't know what I'm talking about :P
[18:51] <warrendX> why was this news posted: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[18:51] <warrendX> i though it was the 24th? :)
[18:52] <d4t4min3r> anyone here that can help me with wifi issues
[18:52] <tomd123> read the actual article warrendX
[18:52] <tomd123> warrendX: they announced it, the head line is misleading
[18:52] <Mimi> warrendX, it says 'Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April.'  What was your question again?
[18:53] <Baby_Shambl3s> how can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?
[18:53] <warrendX> ow ok sorry
[18:54] <LinuxGuy1234> warrendX: it's the 23rd
[18:54] <briansvgs> hello
[18:54] <warrendX> euh, tomorrow
[18:54] <briansvgs> so networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)
[18:54] <Mimi> It would help people across different timezones if we just said "its tomororw', because unlike dates, tomorrow is tomorrow
[18:55] <Baby_Shambl3s> how can i get cairo-dock in hardy its not in synaptic?
[18:56] <tomd123> well, first thing 8.04 comes out, I'm installing minimal + enlightenment, I don't like gnome, too bloated for me
[18:56] <tomd123> maybe not bloated, I just like to play with "features" :P
[18:56] <Mimi> is update-manager --dist upgrade supposed to  ditch all your custom settings and apps?
[18:56] <tomd123> I don't think so
[18:57] <briansvgs> so networkmanager in ubuntu doesn't seem to autoconnect to networks as well as the old one did. is this a bug (for example, even though I have connected to my school wifi network before, it doesn't autoconnect sometimes)
[18:57] <Mimi> Baby_Shambl3s,  i dont use cairo but just googling for 'cairo dock hardy how to' i got a bucnh of stuff
[18:57] <tomd123> briansvgs: does it connect to the network?
[18:57] <blue|palm> Hi, ive just installed the hardy rc, but I can't seem to get my ati drivers working perfectly. xvinfo reports: "X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0  no adaptors present" and this of course means that everything requiring xv doesn't work (mpalyer mainly)
[18:57] <topyli> tomd123: you'll probably want to run things like gnome-settings-daemon though. means installing much of gnome
[18:57] <briansvgs> yes
[18:58] <blue|palm> im using the drivers out of the restricted driver manager, which i believe is 8.3
[18:58] <topyli> tomd123: i would simply install gnome in order to make sure my E desktop works smoothly
[18:58] <briansvgs> but in gutsy, after you connected to the network once, it would autoconnect to it after
[18:58] <jerico2day> hey all, i've a quick question the 8.04 desktop edition coming out soon, will it support raid natively during the install? (couldn't find the answer at ubuntu.com)
[18:58] <tomd123> topyli: I do fine with the command line + firefox
[18:58] <topyli> tomd123: why E then?
[18:58] <topyli> twm is much smaller
[18:59] <tomd123> topyli: I like the e menus
[18:59] <topyli> now you lost me, sorry
[18:59] <Mimi> x) can we have global menu like mac os x in hardy :P
[18:59] <topyli> you like the command line, firefox, and a menu?
[18:59] <tomd123> when you click on the desktop, a menu pops up with different apps just like the apps menu in gnome
[19:00] <topyli> so you can launch firefox?
[19:00] <Baby_Shambl3s> Mimi: way ahead of you just wondering if there was a way to get it directory from  synaptic with having to compile just by adding a repository to hardy?
[19:00] <Pici> xfce has that, does it not?
[19:00] <briansvgs> yes. I can launch firefox as well
[19:01] <tomd123> topyli: you didn't specify it had to make sense
[19:01] <briansvgs> I was just asking about the autoconnect thing. everything else is working properly
[19:02] <tomd123> briansvgs: google is your friend
[19:03] <tomd123> first link popped up http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-178933.html
[19:03] <Baby_Shambl3s> I'm guessing there is no way to add cairo-dock to the repository is there cause google is giving me nothing but compiling?
[19:03] <_Rambaldi_> does anyone know what time tomorrow hardy goes up
[19:03] <warrendX> they says that there isn't an hour :(
[19:03] <anzas> no, its impossible to predict
[19:04] <spowers> depends on the mirror
[19:04] <warrendX> approximatively?
[19:04] <spowers> you should try to not destroy archive.u.c
[19:04] <Blice> Hi. I just switched to thew new version, and I have a problem. I only have borders on one window at a time. Like, if I switch from one window to another, the new window gets borders and the window I switched from loses it's borders. Any ideas?
[19:04] <_Rambaldi_> i wonder if once its up if there will be a mass update
[19:04] <briansvgs> thanks.
[19:04] <blue|palm> can anyone point me to a link that could help fix xv issues?
[19:05] <tomd123> Blice: your one day too early, wait for tomarrow and burn the real release, if you still have problems, you should then mention them
[19:05] <beex> I've updated two machines I use daily to the RC, and now I cannot get synergy to work
[19:05] <jetsaredim> did the stock ubuntu mouse cursors get removed or something?
[19:05] <beex> jetsaredim, the look fine to me
[19:06] <tomd123> jetsaredim: mouse is the same, I don't really notice though
[19:06] <jetsaredim> i did a few updates last night logged out and logged back in just now and my kwin-baghira package was gone
[19:06] <beex> does anybody else use synergy?
[19:06] <jaffarkel> nope
[19:06] <jetsaredim> and also my mouse cursor was reset back to the stock and I don't see the ubuntu cursors in my configuration to choose from
[19:07] <jaffarkel> does anyone know if its possible to adjust lcd brightness in command line?
[19:07] <d4t4min3r> does anyone know if ndiswrapper comes install on HH
[19:07] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: no, but you can adjust nvidia driver alpha level with nvidia-settings
[19:08] <dny> after setting up a lamp server, phpmyadmin should be at http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ right?  it's not showing up for me. :x
[19:08] <d4t4min3r> I found the cd with the dirvers for the usbwifi on it
[19:08] <paynito> anyone have a
[19:08] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: i'm not sure but you could always download the .deb before hand if you need it for install
[19:08] <paynito> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:08] <paynito> xkeyboard-config
[19:08] <jaffarkel> this if for a laptop, my brightness control wont work with the new kernels (14-16) Boohbah
[19:09] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: if it works in an older kernel, why not use the old kernel?
[19:09] <ubuntucool123> if anyone has trident video card in laptop and wants to run ubuntu 8.04 with proper resolution look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4772671
[19:09] <tomd123> jaffarkel: you have to go to the proc folder and search for the folder it is in on the internet, then just edit the file and set the number to the brightness you want, save and your good
[19:10] <jaffarkel> i thought kernel updates were necessary for a secure box Boohbah
[19:10] <NukeSkyjumper> i'm copying a few large files from one drive to another, and the entire machine is running godawfully slow...
[19:10] <paynito> after upgrading with aptitude dist-upgrade
[19:10] <paynito> my kernel is
[19:10] <paynito> 2.6.15-51-386
[19:10] <paynito> is that right?
[19:10] <x1250> jaffarkel: it really depends of the changelog in the new kernel. The update may have nothing to do with security, or it can...
[19:11] <NukeSkyjumper> seems like this should be handled better, especially on a core2duo system @3.3GHz
[19:11] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: no, most kernel development adds new features, and when there is a security fix, you will hear about it
[19:11] <paynito> i always get setting kernel variables : failed on boot
[19:11] <Pici> paynito: aptitude dist-upgrade will not upgrade you from Dapper to Hardy
[19:11] <paynito> damn
[19:11] <jaffarkel> tomd123 what folder in proc
[19:11] <Boohbah> jaffarkel: like the vmsplice exploit which came out in january...\
[19:11] <tomd123> paynito: type in "uname -a" into the command line to see your kernel version
[19:11] <Dusk_> hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???
[19:11] <tomd123> jaffarkel: you have to check on the internet for your laptop
[19:12] <tomd123> mine was in acpi/sony/brightness, I can't remember exactly
[19:12] <Pici> paynito: Please see the topic on how to do the LTS Upgrade
[19:12] <jaffarkel> oh i see, i never knew that i thought kernel updates were security fixed Boohbah
[19:12] <paynito> 2.6.15-51-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue Feb 12 16:52:52 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:12] <paynito> i did, i did the LTS upgrade with upgrade manager
[19:12] <jaffarkel> i will check tomd123
[19:12] <markf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades#head-db224ea9add28760e373240f8239afb9b817f197
[19:13] <paynito> unplugged the power half way
[19:13] <Dusk_> hi i've just installed ubuntu 8.04rc..how can i have home and system icons on my desktop???
[19:13] <paynito> had a messed up dapper
[19:13] <paynito> reinstalled pango
[19:13] <x1250> cd .config
[19:13] <x1250> oops, lol
[19:13] <paynito> now i have a command prompt
[19:13] <tomd123> jaffarkel: find it on the internet, they changed the directory, I just looked
[19:14] <x1250> Dusk_: $ cat .config/user-dirs.dirs
[19:14] <paynito> Ubuntu 8.04 danny-laptop tty1
[19:14] <jaffarkel> i did a systm search for brightness, i found some .sh files in proc tomd123
[19:14] <paynito> xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
[19:14] <x1250> Dusk_: there define XDG_DESKTOP_DIR as /home/user/
[19:15] <tomd123> jaffarkel: I cannot help you for certain, google your laptop and brightness adjust
[19:16] <jaffarkel> thanks for the help anyway tomd123
[19:16] <Eli_> Hi i ran into strange bugs after upgrading to hardy today. It looks like it is PolicyKit/Dbus related. Anyone here who can help ?
[19:17] <melter> does anyone know if ubuntu's firefox 3.0b5 has all the security fixes from 2.0.14?
[19:18] <tomd123> melter: if the fixed it in 2.0.14 then they probably fixed it in the new one
[19:19] <melter> 2.0.14 was released after 3.0b5
[19:19] <Pici> melter: Perhaps, maybe 2.0.14's fixes dont even apply to FF3?
[19:19] <melter> so 2.0.14 IS the new one
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: hey
[19:19] <melter> Pici: i don't know
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: the name of the driver on the install cd for the usbwifi... is the same driver that is listed now on ubuntu that its using
[19:19] <Pici> melter: Neither do I
[19:19] <tomd123> melter: the name says it all though, if you don't want problems, you probably want to use <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:19] <d4t4min3r> rf2500
[19:20] <d4t4min3r> its showing the network in the wifi listing on ubuntu.. and it says it  connects... and gives me three bars but I can't surf to any site
[19:20] <nanonyme> Hmm, does Hardy already have a package for Firefox 2?
[19:20] <tomd123> beta means that it is under developement, it's not even a release candidate so expect lots of bugs
[19:21] <tomd123> nanonyme: yes
[19:21] <nanonyme> Under which name?
[19:21] <Eli_> has anyone read my message
[19:21] <Eli_> ?
[19:21] <d4t4min3r> any ideas?
[19:21] <tomd123> nanonyme: "sudo apt-get install firefox-2"
[19:21] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: pastebin the ouput of iwconfig please
[19:22] <x1250> Eli_: Maybe there is someone who can help, but what you say will not do. Pastebin some error messages or be more descriptive.
[19:22] <nanonyme> Right, firefox-2 then.
[19:22] <d4t4min3r> sure one sec im gona have to discontect from this pc to the other
[19:22] <d4t4min3r> ill be back
[19:22] <Boohbah> i guess pastebin is sort of tricky with no network
[19:22] <kahrytan> nanonyme->  dont share profiles with ff3 and ff2
[19:22] <Eli_> i posted it here but since the thread is "solved" it seems to be ignored
[19:22] <Eli_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=727746
[19:22] <nanonyme> kahrytan: Do they try to do that by default?
[19:23] <kahrytan> nanonyme-> forgot. I just know it isnt compatble
[19:24] <nanonyme> Hmm. It refuses to start Firefox 2 for me even with the start menu icon.
[19:24] <nanonyme> It starts FF3 b5 instead. :/
[19:24] <paynito> the following packages have unmet dependencies
[19:24] <paynito> xkeyboard-config: depends: xkb -data >= 1.1~cvs.20080104 but it is not installed
[19:25] <BUGabund1> hi there
[19:25] <BUGabund1> quick check
[19:25] <tomd123> nanonyme, completely remove ff3 and 2 and then install just 2, I think I heard about this issue somewhere
[19:25] <BUGabund1> does umount autocomplete on bash on your hardy systems?
[19:26] <tomd123> BUGabund1: yes
[19:26] <BUGabund1> typing "umount TAB TAB"
[19:26] <BUGabund1> it lists losts of stuff, and not my dirs/mount points, tomd123
[19:27] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I think you want to type in mount
[19:27] <tomd123> not umount
[19:27] <tomd123> BUGabund1: just type in mount and hit enter, no tabbing plz
[19:28] <BUGabund1> why not tomd123?
[19:28] <blackvd> I just upgraded to hardy and now emerald isn't running on boot. I have to run emerald --replace from alt+f2 does anyone know how I can have it start on login?
[19:28] <BUGabund1> I need to get to the mountpoint so I can unmount it
[19:29] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I don't know, I guess you're supposed to know what to unmount before you type in the command
[19:29] <NukeSkyjumper> how do you tell udev to rescan devices?
[19:29] <NukeSkyjumper> i just created a new partition, but its device isn't showing up in /dev
[19:29] <tomd123> BUGabund1:  no you don't, just type in umount and then the absolute path to the directory
[19:30] <BUGabund1> don't be stupid tomd123
[19:30] <BUGabund1> it worked a few weeks ago
[19:31] <tomd123> BUGabund1: I suggest you try somewhere else if your not going to listen to people
[19:31] <blackvd> well I thought I might try and fix the easy problem first. My major problem after update is that sudo is broken now " unable to resolve host"
[19:31] <tomd123> BUGabund1: why don't you read "man umount" if you don't like to listen to ppl
[19:32] <paynito> after upgrading to hardy i only have a cli and start x says
[19:32] <paynito> xauth: creating new authority file /home/danny/.serverauth.4808
[19:32] <paynito> giving up.
[19:32] <paynito> xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server
[19:32] <paynito> xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error
[19:32] <paynito> any help?
[19:33] <BUGabund1> just re-read it tomd123... nowhere it says it doenst handle bash autocomplete
[19:33] <d4t4min31> Boohbah: you here
[19:33] <d4t4min31> http://pastebin.com/d2378e860
[19:34] <Boohbah> i'll take a look
[19:34] <d4t4min31> thanks
[19:34] <Boohbah> it looks good
[19:34] <Boohbah> try 'ifconfig wlan0'
[19:34] <tomd123> BUGabund1: when you hit tab when you type in umount does it autocomplete
[19:34] <Boohbah> d4t4min31: does it show that you have an ip address?
[19:34] <d4t4min31> no
[19:35] <Whitor> Hi... My wireless card worked with 7.10 but not yet with 8.04 ... I'm getting a little nervous since the official release is so close... I've been updating via a wired NIC... and hoping that with an update, my wireless would start working again... I knew this -was- a known issue... is it still ?? or should I start digging for a manual solution?
[19:35] <BUGabund1> priv tomd123
[19:35] <d4t4min31> its empty
[19:35] <tomd123> BUGabund1: the answer is yes
[19:35] <Boohbah> d4t4min31: ok, 'sudo dhclient wlan0'
[19:36] <d4t4min31> ok give me five mins ill be back
[19:36] <d4t4min31> gota switch agin
[19:37] <patifa> Whitor: it may help if you specify what card you have
[19:37] <__max_> anyone know what command shows what programs are using the sound driver? im guessing im using oss
[19:38] <firefeather> Anyone had experience with using jigdo on the install CDs?
[19:38] <__max_> i killed the pid for firefox since it locked up, and now xmms wont play :)
[19:38] <Boohbah> Whitor: i heard there was an issue with ndiswrapper in 2.6.24 but mine is working with 2.6.24-16-generic
[19:38] <__max_> or if there is a script that unloads and loads the nessesary sound drivers again.
[19:38] <Ergo^> hello
[19:38] <Ergo^> im having trouble with brasero and writing a double layer DVD
[19:39] <Ergo^> it says "cant write with current plugin set"
[19:39] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later
[19:39] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/alsa-info.sh
[19:39] <tomd123> DanaG: link not working
[19:39] <pen_> how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?
[19:39] <DanaG> or rather
[19:39] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/reload-alsa.sh
[19:39] <__max_> cheers :D
[19:39] <DanaG> from alsa-info site before it went down.
[19:40] <DanaG> When anybody links to a shell script, it's a good idea to look at it at least once to be sure there's nothing blatantly bad.
[19:40] <pen_> anyone know how?
[19:40] <Ergo^> does anyone have any experience with writing a double layer DVD's on hardy ?
[19:41] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??
[19:41] <marx2k_> When using screen, alt-s pauses my screen completely and I have to SSH back in and reattach... how do I go about not having to do that after hitting alt-s?
[19:41] <Boohbah> DanaG: why, did you put a fork bomb in that one? :-)
[19:42] <__max_> DanaG: worked like a charm, that script should really be included in the distro =/ not the first time its happend
[19:42] <agibby5>  i'm having a great deal of issues in hardy.  when i launch firefox, and press the control key, it crashes, when i press any key in a new terminal it crashes... any ideas/
[19:42] <DanaG> Boohbah: I know you're joking there, but you did get what I meant.
[19:42] <agibby5> also, my shift, windows, and contrl keys dont work as expected
[19:42] <DanaG> I once made a forkbomb program that'd fork a specified number of times.
[19:43] <agibby5> btw, i just did the upgrade to hardy last night.
[19:43] <DanaG> Once I accidentally locked up my system with 2^100 threads, I limited it to 50.
[19:43] <__max_> i actually read the code before executing it though ^ ^
[19:43] <marx2k_> Thats more like a fork-firecracker
[19:43] <dny> All of a sudden I'm getting ALSA errors such as 'The ALSA soundsystem is either busy or not present.'  How do I go about fixing this? :x
[19:43] <DanaG> So..... if you ask for over 50, it says, "YOU MAY NOT!!!"
[19:43] <pen_> how do I get the path of the icon gnome-panel is using for that app?
[19:43] <jeffimperial> Hello everyone.. what time in GMT does the Final Release get to the community?
[19:44] <DanaG> It also reminds me of a prank program I once made in VB6: it opened 250 copies of a small window, in random positions; each window had a "Go Away" button.
[19:44] <DanaG> .... and to be nice, I made it so that clicking any one would close all 250 windows.
[19:45] <Ergo^> anyone ?? i have a guest and cant write a double layer for him :D
[19:45] <Ergo^> single layer works perfectly fine
[19:45] <DanaG> baobab can't do it?
[19:45] <DanaG> Try k3b, perhaps.
[19:45] <DanaG> It'll pull in several KDE libraries, though.
[19:46] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[19:46] <Ergo^> hmm, but its hould work in gnome programs too ?
[19:46] <Boohbah> DanaG: assuming that you don't already have kde libraries installed... but does anybody NOT use KDE??
[19:47] <DanaG> "Anybody not use KDE" -- you know, if that were applied to religion, it'd be considered rude.
[19:47] <Boohbah> :-)
[19:47] <DanaG> Watch out for that -- some people are desktop-environment zealots.
[19:47] <bod_> hey guys, when i use mozilla it lags my machine, everytime it has to load a site, my mouse jerks and music jumps -- has anyone else experienced this?
[19:48] <Ununbium> people still believe in religion?
[19:48] <Boohbah> DanaG: i've been using free desktop evironments for a decade, i know what i like :-)
[19:48] <firefeather> Ununbium: Depends; do you believe in people who believe in religion?
[19:48] <Ununbium> nope
[19:48] <Ununbium> they don't exist
[19:49] <bod_> this only started happening since i started using wi-fi
[19:49] <firefeather> Ununbium: ;)
[19:49] <vicentecarro> Hi
[19:49] <firefeather> Oops; forgot I was joking around in the wrong channel; ubuntu-release is where that chatter should go. Sorry
[19:50] <vicentecarro> Where is .trash in ubuntu 8.04?
[19:50] <kane77> I have strange thing happening.. I open network settings and unlock it and then I try to change the location/profile and it gives me: "The configuration could not be saved. you are not allowed to modify the system configuration..."  what's that?
[19:50] <Dusk_> my ubuntu 8.04rc is restarting X server 15minutes later..is it about something with power management??
[19:50] <Boohbah> Dusk_: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:51] <bod_> vicentecarro, same place it was in 7.10 home/user/.Trash
[19:52] <vicentecarro> not in my users...
[19:52] <virtuald> it's ~/.local/share/Trash for me but it's an old install
[19:52] <Dusk_> bod_: let me paste it to you
[19:52] <vicentecarro> virtuald, i go to check it
[19:52] <bod_> Dusk_, ???
[19:53] <vicentecarro> Correct :)
[19:53] <paynito> dpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config (--configure)
[19:53] <Dusk_> bod_: sorry wrong person
[19:53] <paynito> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:53] <paynito> does that keep me from having a gui?
[19:53] <Dusk_> Boohbah: let me paste it to you
[19:53] <vicentecarro> Thanks virtuald
[19:53] <bod_> guys, how do i turn ipv6 off in firefix - its some weird string put into tthe address bar
[19:53] <bod_> Dusk_, ok ;~)
[19:54] <Dusk_> Boohbah: http://pastebin.com/m7556cd1b
[19:54] <bod_> vicentecarro, im guessing the file path virtuald gave u is the accumulated trash of all users (brainstormin)
[19:54] <Boohbah> bod_: how is firefox getting an ipv6 string in the address bar?
[19:55] <vicentecarro> bod_, i go to make a test about that
[19:55] <bod_> Boohbah, its not,, its a special thing you type into the address bar of firefox to get to some settings -- i no you can turn ipv6 off there
[19:55] <Boohbah> Dusk_: and you said your X server is crashing? the log looks fine
[19:55] <bod_> vicentecarro, cool -- lemme no your findins ;~)
[19:55] <Dusk_> Boohbah: it restarts and turn backs to GDM log in screen
[19:55] <bod_> Boohbah, my problem is firefox spikes to 50% cpu everytime it has to do something
[19:57] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[19:57] <virtuald> bod_: it's in my home dir
[19:57] <genii> bod_:   about:config in the url bar gives you firefox settings. You may want network.dns.disableIPv6      area.
[19:57] <bod_> genii -- i think thats the one -- thanks dude
[19:57] <genii> bod_: np
[19:59] <bod_> genii, if network.dns.disableIPv6 is tur does that mean ipv6 is disabled?
[19:59] <bod_> virtuald, what is?
[19:59] <vicentecarro> bod_, confirmed. All my users have their own .local/share/.Trash/files/ folder and the deleted files are going now to that (strange) place. So i guess there is no more .trash folder in ubuntu.
[20:00] <bod_> vicentecarro, im using ubuntu 8.04 dev 64 and i have a home/bod/.Trash
[20:00] <vicentecarro> Are you sure your deleted files are going to .Trash?
[20:00] <virtuald> bod_: .local/share/Trash
[20:00] <bod_> oh, kk
[20:01] <bod_> vicentecarro, going to test
[20:01] <bod_> vicentecarro, test confirmed (yes they do)
[20:02] <virtuald> i guess the path can be changed in gconf-editor
[20:02] <vicentecarro> ok then. I'll keep that in mind if someone ask me.
[20:03] <vicentecarro> Thanks. see you
[20:03] <bod_> kk
[20:03] <bod_> ;~)
[20:04] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: u here
[20:04] <lixomancem> I have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?
[20:04] <Disgruntldtote> Hello everyone, I have an interesting webcam issue I would like to know if you could help me with
[20:05] <tomd123> Disgruntldtote: just ask your question
[20:05] <Boohbah> d4t4min3r: i am floating between channels
[20:05] <unenough> Hi, how do I control which video driver X uses? in xorg.conf there is no "DRIVER" line for the video device
[20:05] <Disgruntldtote> I am using a Logitech Quickcam Communicate STX on Hardy, and it does see it and function, but in every app EXCEPT for Camorama the picture has a blue hue.
[20:06] <Disgruntldtote> I tried adding the line "options gspca force_rgb=1" into my  /etc/modprobe.d/options
[20:06] <Disgruntldtote> but to no avail
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> unenough: whats your video card?
[20:06] <unenough> radeon
[20:06] <unenough> should be using fglrx
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> did you install the fglrx driver?
[20:07] <atob> Has anybody had problems with grub in hardy recently?
[20:07] <unenough> nosrednaekim: yes
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> unenough: ok, you need to add the driver line then
[20:07] <unenough> nosrednaekim: i'm wondering how Xorg chooses a dirver if there is no "driver" line
[20:08] <Zambezi> Is it problem with apt-get update now?
[20:08] <Disgruntldtote> hmph
[20:08] <kabads> should I be able to see 'headphone jack sense' on any of the sound controls in Hardy Heron, as I can't find them.
[20:08] <agibby5> anyone else having problems with ctrl, shift, and/or windows button issues in hardy/
[20:09] <lixomancem> I have run the following commands for the "tc" tool http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64124/ but they seem to be completely ignored. What gives?
[20:09] <Disgruntldtote> No sugestions then I spose
[20:10] <tannewt> what suspend technique is used in Hardy?  I want to add a script to be run
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> i somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> unable to resolve host home
[20:10] <d4t4min3r> am i still connected?
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> unenough: it chooses the defalt for your card... "ati"
[20:11] <kabads> I'm having a problem muting my laptops  front built-in speakers when I plug in headphones
[20:12] <unenough> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:12] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, looks like you need to get some kind of color correction filter working on your webcam
[20:12] <d4t4min3r>  somehow got it to connect on ubuntu but it keeps going in and out.. when i do sudo  dhclient wlan0 i get
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> (03:04:18 PM) d4t4min3r: unable to resolve host home
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> (03:04:25 PM) d4t4min3r: am i still connected?
[20:12] <d4t4min3r> keep loosing connection
[20:13] <Disgruntldtote> Thanks bitraiser, I just wish I knew how.
[20:14] <d4t4min3r> anyone here
[20:15] <Pici> d4t4min3r: yes
[20:16] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, has it worked in Gutsy and it just stopped working, now that you're on Hardy? According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasLogitech it's supposed to work on gutsy out of the box with the provided gspca driver
[20:16]  * izinucs is away: I'm having...... a break
[20:16] <kabads> if I compile alsa manually will it be easy to revert to ubuntu's default sound if it doesn't work?
[20:17] <Disgruntldtote> yeah well it does just im blue
[20:17] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, might want to send this guy ("scottslinux") here a PM or so and ask him how he's got his Communicate STX working with the color correction filter.       http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4722735
[20:17] <Disgruntldtote> lol
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> i never used it in Gutsy
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> I just got it today
[20:18] <Disgruntldtote> I appologise, the phone rang while you guys were responding to me
[20:21] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone tell me if my 'make check' compiled alright or if there are any issues i should be aware of - http://pastebin.ca/994926?
[20:21] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly
[20:22] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, what do you get with lsusb again on your camera? apparently there are 2 versions out there (with 2 different chipsets), using the wrong driver/driver version may cause some issues
[20:23] <Disgruntldtote> ahha, let me look really quick like
[20:23] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the compile, couple of warnings, but that shouldn't matter
[20:23] <Disgruntldtote> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc.
[20:24] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, mind if I PM you? we might have your solution here
[20:24] <Disgruntldtote> hey you betcha
[20:24] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: make and make check should work, its make install that you need sudo for
[20:24] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: thanx so I cna ignore the warnings without worrying it make cause problems when it is actually compiled o_0? and when using 'make' do i have to be in root (sudo) or can i do it as normal user?
[20:25] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: make is fine as normal user
[20:25] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: you read ym mind your too good cant compete :D
[20:26] <tomd123> Baby_Shambl3s: warnings are typically ok if you got the package off of the main site and they aren't beta
[20:26] <xngear> i'm glad you fixed uslpash, it is show something now instead of just turning monitor off lol :D
[20:27] <Baby_Shambl3s> tomd123: yup got it from the actual site, the latest stable version, thanks for that i'm more relaxed will do make than make install
[20:27] <doug2266778822_>  how does one change his curser icons i have the one i want downloaded. and im in the newest distro
[20:27] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, do you see my PMs?
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> yes  I see your pms
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> do you see mine?
[20:27] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, nope, don't see yours
[20:27] <Disgruntldtote> argh..... interesting
[20:28] <bitraiser> Disgruntldtote, are you registered with Freenode?
[20:28] <Disgruntldtote> nope. that may be my problem
[20:28] <lucypher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/220497
[20:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 220497 in network-manager "network-manager doesn't handle ppp connections." [Undecided,New]
[20:28] <lucypher> any news about this bug?
[20:29] <Disgruntldtote> how do I go about registering with freenode?
[20:29] <Pici> !register | Disgruntldtote
[20:29] <ubotu> Disgruntldtote: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[20:31] <Disgruntldtote> Ok working on registering. 1 sec
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote>      /msg nickserv register <p4ssinglane>
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> fuck
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> i fail
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> lmao
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> sorry about the language
[20:32] <Disgruntldtote> ok then
[20:33] <bitraiser> that's one way of writing down your password, by sharing it with 439 other IRC users :)
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> hahahaha
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> no kidding
[20:33] <Disgruntldtote> well its changed now anyway
[20:33] <paynito> xkbd problems leave me with no gui in 8.04
[20:33] <paynito> http://pastebin.com/f4e4f16c1
[20:33] <xngear> may you please also post your credit card number
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> I figured I would do it that way so that I could ask someone incase I forgot
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> hahaha
[20:34] <doug2266778822_> what do i need to install that lets me change my mouse theme?
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> and SS number?
[20:34] <Disgruntldtote> Im not a big IRC user as you can put together
[20:35] <bitraiser> now you know why there are so many idlers in here, we sometimes just happen to find peeps like you, who spill it all out online :)
[20:38] <paynito> dpkg:error processing xkeyboard-config
[20:38] <paynito> what now?
[20:41] <ecubuntu> any one have linksys wrt54gx4 and Hardy?
[20:43] <_Rambaldi_> i am not sure who iwas talking to but i fixed my lcd brightness problem, my last problem with hardy fixed.
[20:43] <_Rambaldi_> i can now adjust from terminal
[20:43] <ecubuntu> any one?
[20:44] <_Rambaldi_> seems like a ghost town
[20:44] <ecubuntu> I know
[20:44] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: I know how it feels to get everything working on your laptop(including web cam) :P
[20:45] <_Rambaldi_> ah it was you, even wrote a small script to make changing it easy
[20:45] <ecubuntu> hey guys I have router linksys wrt54gx4 but only with this router I can not get access to the internet on my laptop with Hardy
[20:46] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: good job, I would post this as a bug though so that the team can update the brightness display so it will work for everyone
[20:46] <ecubuntu> any one have the same problem?
[20:46] <_Rambaldi_> i still cant get my webcam working but i think its coz its a generic one, and not on the compatibility list
[20:46] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: is it a motioneye?
[20:47] <Fawzib> Anyone knows if dovecot 1.0.10 in Hardy comes with the managesieve patch? Is there a way to check?
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> it has no name really tomd123
[20:47] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: what laptop are you using?
[20:47] <_Rambaldi_> amilo li 1705 (fuji seimens)
[20:48] <dny> Anyone use AWN?
[20:48] <ecubuntu> I was
[20:48] <dny> I can't get applets to work, they show up as white lines  :x
[20:49] <ecubuntu> let me see
[20:49] <savvas> which applets ?
[20:49] <jimcooncat> is hardy available as a mini-iso? I don't see them on the releases page.
[20:49] <tomd123> _Rambaldi_: nvm, I don't know how to get that camera working :P, never heard of the laptop either :P
[20:49] <dny> also, where can I download applets?
[20:49] <Luckrider> does anyone know if there will be n update tomorrow when Hardy goes live, I want the new stable version, but am not sure if it will do it automaticly
[20:49] <savvas> dny: which applets did you try?
[20:49] <Luckrider> * an
[20:50] <dny> clock
[20:50] <dny> and the terminal one
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> my connection keeps droping,
[20:50] <_Rambaldi_> i think the problem was with the webcam, it cost 3 pounds so am not suprised tomd123
[20:50] <Some_Person> Luckrider: no update needed, it uses the same package base
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> using wifi
[20:50] <d4t4min3r> Boohbah: u on?
[20:51] <Luckrider> ok, thanks Some_Person, this is the first Beta I have used so far, so I wasn't sure
[20:51] <Some_Person> my first too
[20:51] <Luckrider> I like it though
[20:51] <Some_Person> me too
[20:51] <Luckrider> it is very stable
[20:52] <Some_Person> agreed
[20:52] <Luckrider> it is only my first linux beta though, I have used beta programs before, I just asked because this is different
[20:52] <Some_Person> compiz actually works right for the first time
[20:52] <Luckrider> oh
[20:52] <Luckrider> I have had beryl before
[20:52] <Luckrider> fusion isn't that different now though
[20:52] <Luckrider> I love it
[20:52] <Some_Person> beryl has been merged with compiz to form compiz fusion, which is in ubuntu since gutsy
[20:53] <Luckrider> I know, that is why fusion is more like beryl now
[20:53] <Some_Person> i used beryl back on edgy
[20:53] <d4t4min3r> can anyone help me
[20:53] <Luckrider> same
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> please
[20:54] <Luckrider> anf fiesty Some-Person
[20:54] <ecubunt1> d4t4min3r: ?
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> my connection keeps droping in and out
[20:54] <Some_Person> i used compiz fusion on feisty
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> im using wifi usb for connection on HH  wusb54gv4
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> got a connection but it keeps going in and out
[20:54] <Luckrider> oh, I used the update in synaptic, so I still had beryl
[20:54] <ecubunt1> what kind of router u have d4t4min3r
[20:54] <d4t4min3r> linksys
[20:54] <ecubunt1> model?
[20:54] <Some_Person> and then i abandoned effects on gutsy, because of bugs
[20:55] <Luckrider> oh, same here
[20:55] <ecubunt1> model? d4t4min3r
[20:56] <paynito> i can't install xkeyboard-config and xkb-data
[20:56] <paynito> i am stuck at a command line
[20:56] <d4t4min3r> 54gs
[20:56] <d4t4min3r>  sudo dhclient wlan0
[20:56] <d4t4min3r> sudo: unable to resolve host Home
[20:56] <jeroen-> can anyone tell me whats the deal with vmware in Hardy? It's now in the kernel, but no vmware-player in the repo's anymore?
[20:56] <jeroen-> I'm confused
[20:57] <ecubunt1> hardy d4t4min3r or ?????
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: just use virtualbox
[20:57] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: is virtualbox also in the kernel
[20:57] <jeroen-> ?
[20:57] <ecubunt1> what kind of security u have on yuor router d4t4min3r
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: yes
[20:57] <jeroen-> ok
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: it works very very well
[20:58] <d4t4min3r> yeah
[20:58] <jeroen-> but why is vmware-player removed from the repo's, but still in the kernel
[20:58] <jeroen-> ?
[20:58] <d4t4min3r> 8.04
[20:58] <jeroen-> where can I find the filosofy behind that
[20:58] <Some_Person> i started using ubuntu at breezy, was my first linux ever
[20:58] <Some_Person> what about you, Luckrider?
[20:58] <ecubunt1> i have gardy an wrt54gx4 and i can no get any connection d4t4min3r i thing soo is s bug
[20:59] <ecubunt1> becasue i have wrt54g on my office and i get connection d4t4min3r
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> right now i cant connect to any site
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> sometimes it comes in but just drops out
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> can even get to <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:59] <d4t4min3r> all security is turned off
[20:59] <Luckrider> oh, some_person, I started with edgy
[21:00] <ecubunt1> try to change the channel d4t4min3r
[21:01] <d4t4min3r> channel?
[21:01] <d4t4min3r> irc channel?
[21:02] <beautifulsnow> Hi..... all upgrade-manager --dist-upgrade did was break everything.. I mean, wireless doenst work, compiz is bye bye, x did not even start 1st time I tried (had to configure it from scratch) ummm.. and I haven't checked anything else because Im scared to find more broken stuff lol.... What should I do?:P Since I wireless doesn't work, Im SOL.
[21:03] <ecubuntu> d4t4 channel on your router
[21:03] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys has any one noticed that the new version of compiz is very sluggish? I am on a dell m1530 with the nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT
[21:04] <Some_Person> vbabiy-laptop: seems ok here, emachines, nvidia geforce 6100
[21:05] <Kl4m> beautifulsnow: automatix user?
[21:05] <pen> anyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?
[21:05] <pen> it's all black
[21:05] <Luckrider> vbabiy-laptop, mine is working much faster than yesterday
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: mine improved from yesterday to but it still seem sluggish on some things
[21:06] <GoodJob> hello
[21:06] <GoodJob> any news on hardy?
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> Like when I switch tabs in terminal with compiz enabled it slow but with out it is really fast
[21:06] <beautifulsnow> "Kl4m: beautifulsnow: automatix user?", No, I did it via gnome's update manager. Followed the ubuntu guide.
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> GoodJob: what kinda of news
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> tomorrow is the release
[21:06] <vbabiy-laptop> if it has not changed
[21:06] <Luckrider> oh... I have not seen any sluggishness at all, It is moving very fast, and uses less power than when I first tried it
[21:07] <GoodJob> it's 10 p.m. my time
[21:07] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: what setting are you running at
[21:07] <beautifulsnow> >_> it doesn't matter what time zone it is, it's tomorrow for me, tomorrow for you, and tomorrow for your cousin in japan.
[21:07] <pen> anyone why tilda can't have transparency if I start in session?
[21:07] <GoodJob> i don't have a cousin in japan :D
[21:07] <vbabiy-laptop> the best feature of all is that my suspend not works :D
[21:08] <beautifulsnow> ;p was a joke
[21:08] <GoodJob> not that i know of anyhow :)
[21:08] <GoodJob> i know :P
[21:08] <Luckrider> umm.., vbabiy
[21:08] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: what is tilda
[21:08] <bod_> hey guys -- has anyone else had problems with newly added launchers in awn not bein there after a reboot?
[21:08] <Luckrider> I am not fully sure what you mean
[21:08] <AdrianStrays> I'm running Hardy, and the lag is really bad.  On webpages its slow to low and when I scroll everything drags.  Right now as you all post it takes a noticiblely long time for your messages to fully display
[21:08] <GoodJob> tilda is ~
[21:08] <pen> vbabiy-laptop: you don't know? it's a quake like drop-down terminal
[21:08] <beautifulsnow> bod_ all the time :P might wanna take it to #awn
[21:08] <GoodJob> it is written as tilde
[21:08] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: o never used it
[21:09] <bod_> beautifulsnow, will do, cheers ;~)
[21:09] <pen> !tilda | vbabiy-laptop
[21:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tilda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:09] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: are you using the custom setting or the preset settings?
[21:09] <Luckrider> oh
[21:09] <GoodJob> tilda? sigh
[21:09] <GoodJob> it's tilde!
[21:09] <Luckrider> yeah, custom settings
[21:09] <vbabiy-laptop> pen: but I know what you mean
[21:09] <GoodJob> ~
[21:09] <Kl4m> GoodJob: it is tilda.
[21:09] <pen> is it because of compiz?
[21:09] <Kl4m> The program is named tilda.
[21:09] <pen> I'm guessing
[21:09] <GoodJob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilde
[21:10] <GoodJob> program?
[21:10] <Luckrider> vbabiy-laptop, I am using the custom settings
[21:10] <Kl4m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilda_%28software%29
[21:10] <GoodJob> you mean an application?
[21:10] <vbabiy-laptop> Luckrider: same here, well it could be my video card drive. there still is some issues with that
[21:10] <beautifulsnow> Yeah it's a terminal that's embedded in the dekstop background I think, GoodJob
[21:10] <GoodJob> a program is just a part of an applicationž
[21:10] <Luckrider> yeah, what card do you have?
[21:10] <vbabiy-laptop> nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT
[21:10] <GoodJob> so this Tilda of yours is an application
[21:11] <GoodJob> !
[21:11] <pen> GoodJob: it's not a word
[21:11] <Luckrider> I don't know much about those, I have a Radeon FireGL
[21:11] <mneptok> GoodJob: you just crossed that "detail orientation/anal retention" line :)
[21:11] <vbabiy-laptop> also any one know of how to get the java plugin working in firefox2
[21:11] <beautifulsnow> :-)
[21:11] <GoodJob> whoa this Tilda is kinda cool
[21:11] <pen> ok, I will seek solution else where :)
[21:11] <beautifulsnow> Paying 50 bucks to whoever wants to come over and fix my hardy install without having to lose all my ubuntu settings :p
[21:11] <pen> GoodJob: yea
[21:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> can someone provide me a working link that allows me to download cairo-dock it seems google has all these expired links and posts "would prefer .deb if possibel"?
[21:12] <GoodJob> is Ubuntu going to include that shit?
[21:12] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: would you pay $250?
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: it's in the repository I think
[21:12] <GoodJob> nice
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: sudo apt-get install tilda
[21:12] <GoodJob> it's more user-friendly than Terminal
[21:12] <beautifulsnow> mneptok:  I would if I could afford it xD
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: it's better and faster
[21:12] <paynito> xkeyboard-config: Depends: xkb-data(>=1.1~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6) but it is not installable
[21:12] <paynito> anyone?
[21:12] <pen> GoodJob: but now I'm stuck in transparancy
[21:12] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: too bad. a support contract is $250.
[21:13] <GoodJob> just a click of a button and voila, i can't put some shit in my linux console
[21:13] <vbabiy-laptop> Yeah terminal has some issues, if you tail -f a very active log it eats up CPU like crazy
[21:13] <mneptok> !language > GoodJob
[21:13] <beautifulsnow> "support contract?" they actually offer it in ubuntu? can you link me to the site? sounds great
[21:13] <GoodJob> -f hey?
[21:13] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: http://shop.canonical.com
[21:13] <pen> ?
[21:13] <pen> -f?
[21:13] <beautifulsnow> Oh that's neat thanks. *goes and pays for training instead*
[21:13] <keanu> question - what'll happen to firefox tomorrow?  with Hardy ship with beta 5?
[21:14] <GoodJob> yes
[21:14] <Gnine> !botsnack
[21:14] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:14]  * mneptok hopes he can eat next month :P
[21:14] <GoodJob> ther RC has beta 5 so...
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> keanu: yes
[21:14] <Luckrider> beatifulsnow, try /me and type a comment
[21:14] <Kl4m> tail -f : follow and display the output of a file as it grows
[21:14] <keanu> nosrednaekim, ok, thanks
[21:14] <GoodJob> the Ubuntu RC has FF beta 5 so...
[21:14] <Luckrider> that is better than stars
[21:14] <beautifulsnow> mneptok:  do they come to your home and fix it?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> mneptok: selling your serveices?eh :)
[21:14] <beautifulsnow> Luckrider:   ... why? I know what /me does but ... what , why?
 mneptok wants you to know: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:14] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: sure, i can do that. it's $10,000 for the first hour, $100 each additional. :)
[21:14] <GoodJob> just because i used the word shit?
[21:15] <vbabiy-laptop> Hey guys what benefit does glib have in the Compiz configuration. There is a plugin for it.  :P not per visit :P but that's neat anyway... glad to see it available
[21:17] <beautifulsnow> Heh I don't Some_Person
[21:17] <mneptok> beautifulsnow: 1 year or 10 cases, whichever comes first.
[21:17] <ecubuntu> ?
[21:18] <paynito> I have a Buffer I/O error on device hdc
[21:18] <paynito> when running
[21:18] <paynito> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -f -y
[21:18] <paynito> is there a way to tell it to d/l everything and take the cd out?
[21:18] <Some_Person> ugh, does ff keep freezing up with anyone else?
[21:18] <beautifulsnow> Some_Person:  Lots of people came here asking for FF support after the update. I didn't have a problem w/ it so I'll zip it :x
[21:19] <paynito> failed to fetch cdrom: /patch/patch_2.5.9-4_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch
[21:19] <Gnine> !upgrade
[21:19] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:19] <Some_Person> i used ff3 on gutsy and it never froze, in fact it didnt freeze on hardy until today
[21:19] <beautifulsnow> Is there a way I can make my wireless work after dist upgrade...? it's busted so I can't install anything to fix it until I.....  get wireless working :)
[21:19] <Kl4m> paynito: you can use synaptic to remove the cdrom source or remove the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:20] <paynito> thank you
[21:20] <paynito> with nano?
[21:20] <pen> anyone know what prelinking is in ubuntu?
[21:20] <sukke> i have had problems only with ff3 beta 5.
[21:20] <Kl4m> pen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelink is an article about prelink
[21:20] <ecubuntu> beatifulsnow what kind of router u have?
[21:21] <sukke> not with beta 4 I am using in gutsy.
[21:21] <beautifulsnow> ecubuntu: it doesn't matter, wireless worked fine with gutsy, its just heron broke the entire install
[21:22] <Gnine> !wireless | beautifulsnow
[21:22] <ubotu> beautifulsnow: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[21:22] <doug2266778822_> is there a convert x to dvd for heron?
[21:22] <Alan> Is ndiswrapper supposed to be in the default Hardy install?
[21:23] <beautifulsnow> Gnine:  the thing is, how do I know what changed since the dist-upgrade? I didn't do it from  a iso, all I did was the update manager dist upgrade
[21:23] <Alan> because this is a real pain when you have to guess and pick a load of packages from the net to try and get it working...
[21:23] <Kl4m> doug2266778822_, what is "x" ?
[21:23] <beautifulsnow> ^ like alan said.
[21:23] <ecubuntu> I know beautifulsnow wifi work great in gutsy but in hardy no
[21:23] <paynito> K14m thanks a lot man, this might be something
[21:23] <paynito> no, i'm still getting an error on xkb-data~cvs.20080104.1-1ubuntu6_all.deb
[21:24] <doug2266778822_> Kl4m: like xvid avi and other formats.
[21:25] <Kl4m> paynito: did you apt-get update recently? maybe a package depends on another one which has been updated
[21:26] <ubuntu-user100> hello...! i had everything working alright in hardy. after performing update, my screen resolution dropped to 800 x 600. am using nvidia quadro NVS 140M. ran nvidia-xconfig but did not help. any ideas?
[21:26] <_Rambaldi_> can i change what some keys on my keyboard does? ie make my home buttom be backspace as well. i have a small backspace next to home and i keep hitting that instead
[21:26] <\phil\> hello! goodbye!
[21:26] <beautifulsnow> xD this is amazing... ugh. How did the update-manager -d break my system if it didn't install? It downloaded 4 hours worth of packages, BUT when it went to step 3 or whatever, the one where it actually INSTALLs, it aborted.
[21:28] <Gnine> ubuntu-user100: try booting up in recovery mode and select 'fix xserver' option
[21:28] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: will do
[21:28] <beautifulsnow> _Rambaldi_ yes you can, that question however sounds more fit to be  in #ubuntu than #ubuntu+1. just go to.... (im not on ubuntu, don't know from memory) applications>system>preferences>keyboard shortcus
[21:28] <paynito> apt-get update didn't fix it
[21:28] <paynito> dpg:error processing /var/cache. . ./xkb-data_1.1~cvs.20080104.1-ubuntu6_all.deb trying to overwrite /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir, which is also in package xkeyboard-config
[21:29] <Gnine> also, make sure your menu.lst is up-to-date
[21:29] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:29] <_Rambaldi_> i asked it there as well beautifulsnow
[21:29] <Baby_Shambl3s> *file
[21:29] <beautifulsnow> ubuntu-user100: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    as root should work too
[21:29] <Gnine> its easier my way
[21:29] <beautifulsnow> oh ok :D I gotta remember that because I know ill need it soon enough lol
[21:30] <tomd123> what does it mean for a bug to be triaged?
[21:30] <beautifulsnow> What else is in recovery mode btw.... *wink*
[21:31] <blackvd> Well so far I've been able to fix all my bugs after upgrading except the one bug I was hoping to be fixed isn't. That's the 30 second login time with gnome. Any clues in here?
[21:32] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:33] <tomd123> blackvd, check if you have any wierd services,
[21:33] <Gary_inNYC> When Hardy is officially available, will the apt repos get overwhelmed?  I'm thinking it may be better off for me to wait out the initial wave of people updating
[21:33] <jimcooncat> hi, where can i find a mini-iso?
[21:33] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: you are 100% right about virtual box; wow what a great app :-)
[21:33] <Alan> VirtualBox++
[21:34] <blackvd> nothing unusual to me I feel like it must be compiz causing it don't know though
[21:34] <_Rambaldi_> beautifulsnow, unfortunately there is a list of actions that can have shortcuts, invidual keys are not on the list
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: thats only the -ose too
[21:34] <Baby_Shambl3s> please check this as i have finally found the fiel for cairo-dock apparently the project still exist under a discreet domain :/ - http://pastebin.ca/995002, any suggestions to that warning are welcomed as long as it is helpful?
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> jeroen-: the non-ose is even better
[21:34] <jeroen-> one problem though, it doesnt install the kernel-module when istalling virtualbox-ose
[21:34] <Gary_inNYC> virtualbox is a nice app, but i never was able to get my zen vision m player to successfully share a usb bus without issues
[21:34] <jeroen-> nosrednaekim: well we are in for the open source :-)
[21:35] <AutoMatriX> Hi folks
[21:35] <dystopianray> virtualbox is awesome
[21:35] <Luckrider> Baby_Shambl3s, try SimDock, it is availible in add/remove, and it is easy to use
[21:35] <jeroen-> and if you install the kernel modele of virtualbox, you have to manually add your self tho the virtualbox group
[21:36] <tomaasj> so now what  ?
[21:36] <beautifulsnow> _Rambaldi_:  I wonder if this would help... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217091   and   http://web.mit.edu/answers/xwindows/xwindows_xmodmap.html
[21:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there, is this the channel for hardy or for intrepid :)
[21:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[21:37] <beautifulsnow> This is for hardy
[21:37] <tomaasj> curious, upgrading worht it ?
[21:38] <Baby_Shambl3s> Luckrider: yeha seen that but not as good its working for me but since its not installed through compile its has an extra folder which i doubt should be there, what i want to know is there any way to stop cairo-dock to stop looking for that or do i have to unninstall and compile it on my system?
[21:38] <beautifulsnow> No, not yet tomaasj
[21:38] <balgarath> might as well wait till final release at this point :)
[21:38] <_Rambaldi_> it  just might be it. thanks beautifulsnow
[21:38] <tomaasj> why not ?
[21:38] <Le-Chuck_ITA> beautifulsnow: will no longer be in a couple of hours :)
[21:38] <beautifulsnow> tomaasj:  don't wait until tomorrow, wait until next month :P too many bugs :p
[21:38] <tomaasj> ok !
[21:39] <Luckrider> I am not sure Baby_shambl3s, I have never used Cairo dock as it did not install in my last install of ubuntu
[21:39] <beautifulsnow> True Le-Chuck_ITA but in that case #ubuntu itself will become support channel for hardy too ;p
[21:39] <jeroen-> well a lot lesser bugs than when gutsy arrived
[21:39] <dystopianray> kubuntu 8.04 seems to have much less bugs than 7.10
[21:39] <balgarath> I have less problems with gutsy->hardy beta than I did with feisty->gutsy
[21:39] <tomaasj> dstill problem with wireless for dell inspiron laptop users ?  Like mine !
[21:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all have a nice release