[18:10] <Lrrr> hello?
[18:23] <Lrrr> I'm having a bit of an hard time figuring out how to deal with Germinate.
[18:24] <Lrrr> err
[18:24] <Lrrr> Germinate output
[18:24] <Lrrr> I'm making a custom distribution.
[18:28] <Lrrr> It gives me a nice list of packages, but what I don't figure out is how to take that list an make a CD of it... if someone can point me in some kind of direction I would appreciate.
[21:18] <twb> Is this insane?
[21:19] <twb> d-i preseed/late_command string in-target oem-config-prepare --quiet
[21:19] <twb> ...in my preseed.cfg, using oem installation
[22:41] <twb> OK, it works as expected.
[22:42] <twb> What's the *best* way to have d-i shutdown the system (instead of rebooting) after installation has finished?
[23:54] <xivulon> superm1, hi, what was the forum you mentioned at uds?


[13:51] <melodie> hi
[14:42] <brendand> melodie, if you have a question or need help, just say what it is :)
[14:43] <melodie> hi brendand, thanks
[14:50] <thebishop> i'm sure it's known, but certain apps don't integrate properly with unity on 13.04.  Pidgin and X-Chat don't have the ">" denoting a running app, and don't show up in Alt-Tab either
[17:05] <utlemming> would anyone be able to tag Bug 1158465 for precise and quantal?
[17:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158465 in walinuxagent (Ubuntu) "[SRU] update Windows Azure WALinuxAgent to 1.3.2 (12.04.2, 12.10 and 13.04)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158465
[17:06] <TheLordOfTime> utlemming, already done?
[17:08] <jibel> utlemming, approve you mean?
[17:08] <utlemming> jibel: yes, approve, sorry
[17:09] <jibel> utlemming, done
[17:09] <utlemming> jibel: awesome, thank you kindly
[17:09] <jibel> yw
[20:18] <_NerdyMe_> errors.ubuntu.com seams not to be working since yesterday... somebody already noted?
[20:20] <_NerdyMe_> update: errors.ubuntu.com: noted that it just doenst work chromium. in firefox it does.
[20:24] <bdmurray> _NerdyMe_: did you try a full reload of the page? some javascript changed


[12:59] <buggzero> hello?
[01:00] <HedgeMage> hi buggzero
[01:00] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[01:00] <mhz> hi buggzero
[01:00] <mhz> hi HedgeMage
[01:00] <mhz> hi TT :D
[01:00] <buggzero> well Ive just looked into edubuntu
[01:00] <HedgeMage> hi mhz :)
[01:00] <buggzero> and I have some question about it
[01:00] <mhz> shoot
[01:01] <buggzero> would it be suitable for my 8 yr old brother?
[01:01] <mhz> sure
[01:01] <mhz> and even for you
[01:02] <buggzero> well he doesnt have internet access
[01:02] <buggzero> and I set him up with a machine based on old hardware
[01:02] <buggzero> but I wanted to get him to use his own computer more
[01:03] <mhz> how old?
[01:03] <buggzero> edu seemed like a good package, but I don't know how it will do on his older computer
[01:03] <buggzero> like windows98 old
[01:03] <mhz> hmmm
[01:03] <Flashq009> I am new to the edubuntu.  How is the edubuntu software?  I have read about it on the site, but curious about what others have to say about it, both the good and bad.
[01:04] <mhz> well, the older the hardware, the slower any modern desktop is
[01:04] <mhz> buggzero: so, my bet is Edubuntu with light desktops
[01:04] <buggzero> yes, but i mean DSL and other such lite distros have done well
[01:05] <HedgeMage> buggzero: Edubuntu itself will do fine, just gnome can be a resource hog so you might try edubuntu with xfce or something if gnome is too slow on that machine
[01:05] <LaserJock> buggzero: Edubuntu+XFCE is good
[01:05] <mhz> Flashq009: it depends on your objectives
[01:05] <buggzero> yeah xfce has done good
[01:05] <mhz> buggzero: or...
[01:05] <buggzero> to another project machine i peiced together
[01:05] <mhz> I have a PII of 400 MHz for my daughter
[01:06] <mhz> she's turning 5 years old
[01:06] <mhz> and she uses Wmaker + Edubuntu :D
[01:06] <buggzero> Wmaker?
[01:06] <mhz> windowmaker
[01:06] <buggzero> it that another window manager?
[01:06] <Flashq009> Well I am looking for educational programs for my cousins ages from 5 - 20.
[01:07] <mhz> it obviously requiered me to get a nice theme for her and create a copuple of buttond for her
[01:07] <mhz> s
[01:07] <mhz> Flashq009: then, edubuntu is right for them
[01:07] <buggzero> flashq009: http://old.tux4kids.com/tux4kids/ has a lot of great links and is one of the suites in edubunutu
[01:07] <mhz> yup
[01:08] <Flashq009> ok will check it out  be back in a little bit
[01:08] <Flashq009> thank you
[01:08] <mhz> okis
[01:08] <mhz> Flashq009: maybe
[01:08] <buggzero> mhz: do you know if there is any sort of journaling program in edui
[01:08] <mhz> you could see wiki:EdubuntuSoftwareList
[01:09] <mhz> buggzero: journaling?
[01:09] <Flashq009> where is the wiki again?
[01:09] <mhz> wiki.edubuntu.org
[01:09] <Flashq009> thanks
[01:09] <mhz> yw
[01:09] <buggzero> yes like for him to journal in, blog, but only offline?
[01:09] <mhz> hmmm
[01:10] <mhz> buggzero: my BEST bet would be MoinMoinDesktopEdition
[01:10] <mhz> he'll get 2 things at one: Blogging + familiar with wiki
[01:10] <LaserJock> heh, I could have guessed that answer ;-)
[01:11] <mhz> LaserJock: hey!
[01:11] <buggzero> mhz: lol, well I have to get him to sit on the computer for more than 5 minutes at a time first
[01:11] <mhz> well, and if encouraged... even work on CSS so he can tweak it to his own colors
[01:11] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: what's up?
[01:12] <mhz> buggzero: but with MMDE he only creates new pages like point|click
[01:12] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: up late last night due to the fn compromise.... TIRED
[01:13] <LaserJock> oh yeah, Ive been away because of the summit, I hade lots of messages from lilo
[01:14] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: did the cracker do anything harmful?
[01:14] <HedgeMage> klined most of the network
[01:15] <mhz> hmmm
[01:15] <LaserJock> that's not good
[01:15] <HedgeMage> really uncreative insults in the kline messages, though... if one is going to go to the trouble, one should at least have a good line ;)
[01:15] <HedgeMage> tell me about it
[01:16] <LaserJock> well, I got pickpocketed in Paris so I've been doing some damage control too :(
[01:16] <HedgeMage> :(
[01:17] <buggzero> thats a bummer
[01:17] <buggzero> it didnt happen to be around a Beware of Pickpocketer sign did it?
[01:17] <LaserJock> no, it was as I was getting onto a packed subway
[01:18] <LaserJock> luckily they didn't get my passport and I was with the Ubuntu conference
[01:18] <LaserJock> so people helped me out
[01:19] <buggzero> Its one of those things you get overcautious about, but only after the fact, but that is awsome to hear that you had people to spot you
[01:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I would have been totally sunk without the Ubuntu people
[01:20] <buggzero> what ubuntu summit btw?
[01:21] <LaserJock> at the beginning of each development cycle the devs (and anybody that wants to come) get together to write and approve specifications for the next release
[01:23] <LaserJock> all I have to say is that the Ubuntu community really pulls through for each other
[01:24] <LaserJock> it was my first time outside the US and was pretty traumatic
[01:37] <buggzero> i can imagine
[02:07] <Flashq009> Up to what age is the edubuntu software good for?  Preschool, Kindergarten, HighSchool, College?  or rather what grade level is good for?
[02:07] <LaserJock> well, it sort of depends
[02:07] <LaserJock> the default install is mostly for younger kids I'd say
[02:08] <LaserJock> but you also have the entire Ubuntu software repository at your disposal so you can install anything you want afterwords
[02:08] <Flashq009> really, where is the repository?
[02:09] <Flashq009> how can I see all the software package listings?
[02:10] <Flashq009> so that I can choose which ones are appropriate for the kids and there grade leve or learning abilities.
[02:10] <LaserJock> well, you can just use a package manager (synaptic for instance is in the Administration menu)
[02:10] <Flashq009> hold on let me chck
[02:11] <LaserJock> basically, there are the default installed apps, but if you have an internect connection you have access to something over 15,000 packages
[02:12] <Flashq009> I have internet connection
[02:13] <LaserJock> then you can basically install whatever you want
[02:13] <LaserJock> you could install Kubuntu apps, for instance
[02:13] <Flashq009> ok
[02:13] <Flashq009> I am waiting for the computer to load the live cd
[02:14] <Flashq009> how many ubuntu versions are there?
[02:15] <Flashq009> I thought there was just ubuntu and edubuntu.
[02:16] <crimsun> there's just one ubuntu version, which is "ubuntu". There are three different derivatives of ubuntu called "kubuntu", "edubuntu", and "xubuntu".
[02:16] <crimsun> the only difference between the four is the set of default installed packages.
[02:16] <crimsun> they share the same repository, the same developers, etc.
[02:17] <Flashq009> ok... I see
[02:17] <crimsun> An analogy could be the Volkswagen Golf and Jetta use the same chassis, but there are variations.
[02:18] <LaserJock> heh, I saw more Golfs in Paris than the whole rest of my life
[02:18] <Flashq009> does the repository have it categorized by categories, for example: education software or such so that I can just look for those programs?
[02:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:19] <Flashq009> ok live cd finish booting... looking at SPM
[02:20] <Flashq009> I do not see education software category.
[02:20] <LaserJock> you might need to enable the Universe repo to get the full amount of software
[02:21] <Amaranth> damn i missed ogra this morning
[02:21] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah. I don't think there is a specifc category for education, but I'm not sure (I'm using the devil at the moment)
[02:21] <Amaranth> Should be Edutainment
[02:22] <Flashq009> ok I enabled the universe.. looking for the Edutainment or such category for listing of all education software
[02:27] <Flashq009> I did a search for edutainment... it gave list of only 27 packages
[02:27] <LaserJock> isn't that KDE stuff
[02:28] <Flashq009> what is kde?
[02:28] <LaserJock> KDE is another desktop envioronment, Gnome is the default one in Edubuntu. But some of the educational apps in Edubuntu are from KDE
[02:29] <Flashq009> will work on gnome?
[02:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:30] <LaserJock> you might try searching for a specific thing you want
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if the current categorization is set up well for education
[02:31] <Flashq009> wouldn't it be easier if all the education software was in its own repository or category so users just look in that area rather than the entire repository?
[02:34] <LaserJock> well, it doesn't really work that way
[02:34] <LaserJock> because the educational software will depend on non-educational software
[02:35] <LaserJock> but better categorization would certainly help
[02:35] <Flashq009> i agree better categorization would definetly help many users.
[02:36] <Flashq009> Where or how can I voice that a better categorization for edubuntu will would a good idea?
[02:37] <LaserJock> hmm, well you just did a little bit ;-)
[02:37] <Flashq009> I did?
[02:37] <LaserJock> you just told the Edubuntu IRC channel :-)
[02:38] <LaserJock> do you know Edubuntu mailing lists?
[02:38] <Flashq009> no
[02:38] <LaserJock> lists.ubuntu.com has a listing of Ubuntu mailing lists
[02:39] <LaserJock> edubuntu-users would probably be a good place to ask about categorization
[02:41] <LaserJock> but in actuallity, categorization is not an easy thing
[02:42] <Flashq009> why is it not easy?
[02:43] <LaserJock> because the package manager is looking at information that is collected from the individual packages
[02:44] <LaserJock> and the individual packages are created by lots of people (somewhere over 1,000 people)
[02:44] <LaserJock> so for Ubuntu to say "I think we should redo the categorization" in fact is a rather big thing
[02:45] <LaserJock> not that it isn't a good idea, it just isn't trivial
[02:47] <Flashq009> hmm... well, maybe if it is an education program.. for example..  the individual/s thay created the program put and edu or such extension as a name convention, then searching the repositories would not be too hard.  Just an idea... I do not if that would be feasible.
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, that would be even harder :-)
[02:49] <Flashq009> for example:   calculus.edu or edu.calculus, or edu_calculus or something like that
[02:49] <LaserJock> yeah, but then everything that depends on that would have to be adjusted and rebuilt
[02:51] <LaserJock> they problem is that any change to the categorization would probably take convincing the people who maintain those apps to change the categorization
[02:52] <Flashq009> well, maybe a good categorization system(foundation)  for a new build and/or new linux distro would be a start.. maybe in the future
[02:53] <LaserJock> yeah, I mean the current categories are not ideal, in my opinion, and having a more flexible system would be good
[02:54] <LaserJock> but it would take a lot of effort to do and many people don't use the categories much
[02:54] <Flashq009> thats true
[03:01] <Flashq009> any how I love this edubuntu.  Thanks to all those wonderful software developers and everyone involved in making a difference in peoples lives.
[03:02] <LaserJock> Flashq009: just remember that you can make a difference too, we have lots of work that needs to be done and encourage everyone to contribute
[03:03] <Flashq009> how can I contribute?
[03:04] <LaserJock> anyway you want
[03:04] <LaserJock> we need people who can do documentation, who can test and file bug reports
[03:04] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: basically, the idea is you start where you feel comfortable with
[03:04] <Flashq009> ok,  I am listening
[03:04] <LaserJock> well, what are your interests?
[03:05] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: what would you say it is needed?
[03:05] <Flashq009> I have many interests,  but I am not sure if I understand the question?
[03:06] <LaserJock> basically, you find something that interests you and you feel is needed, then you work on it :-)
[03:07] <LaserJock> if nothing pops up right away just hang out here or on the mailing list and you'll find something
[03:08] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: basically, edubuntu is yours as it is ours
[03:08] <mhz_cook> therefore,
[03:08] <mhz_cook> we all take care of it and want it cool
[03:09] <Flashq009> you mean ... for example...  if I like a particular software and want to see if improved.., I can suggest ideas and/or help to test the software and give feedback... ?
[03:09] <LaserJock> sure
[03:09] <bimberi> hi Flashq009 - http://edubuntu.org/Community mentions documentation, testing, packaging, artwork, or reviewing of material as areas where you can contribute.  I would add bugsquashing, support and advocacy to that list
[03:10] <Flashq009> that is awsome.. I like this community.
[03:10] <LaserJock> hehe, so do we ;-)
[03:11] <bimberi> it also mentions the Edubuntu Study Content team.  I'd not heard of that before :)
[03:12] <mhz_cook> bimberi: hehhe
[03:12] <mhz_cook> that is an idea i proposed long ago
[03:12] <mhz_cook> but I have not convinced any teacher yet
[03:12] <Flashq009> thanks for the link.  I am reading it right now.
[03:12] <mhz_cook> to work on this
[03:14] <LaserJock> Flashq009: except for a few people, everybody involved with Edubuntu are community volunteers
[03:15] <crimsun> (which holds true for Ubuntu and all of its derivatives)
[03:15] <LaserJock> right
[03:17] <mhz_cook> yeah, and those 'not volunteers' do a great job
[03:17] <mhz_cook> it is just that responsibilities may vary
[03:17] <LaserJock> yes, very much so
[03:17] <bimberi> mhz_cook: It's a very good idea (Study Content) - in fact something that will really help with adoption of Edubuntu.  To have materials available that teachers can just pick up and use to achieve learning goals.
[03:21] <mhz_cook> Flashq009: if a 'volunteer' does not work on something, it may or may not cause big troubles. If a voluteer "owns" a resposibility, it will affect the whole community
[03:22] <mhz_cook> bimberi: indeed.
[03:22] <mhz_cook> we just need at least 3 teachers
[03:48] <LaserJock> jsgotangco!
[03:49] <jsgotangco> hey!
[03:49] <jsgotangco> back to reality?
[03:49] <LaserJock> I'm back, not sure about reality
[03:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: when did you leave for the airport? I thought we were going to leave a 9:00
[03:50] <jsgotangco> well i looked at my sched, i left at 8:30 and had a delay on my flight for almost an hour
[03:50] <jsgotangco> when i landed in schiphol i had to run to my next plane
[03:51] <LaserJock> ah, I left at 9:00
[03:51] <LaserJock> jani was in the lobby and said you already left so I figured you just needed to get there earlier or something
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:52] <HedgeMage> hey there
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:21] <mhz> edu-jetlang?
[04:21] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:06] <buggzero> bummer
[05:06] <buggzero> edubuntu wont install for me
[05:08] <LaserJock> really?
[05:08] <buggzero> yeah it fails at LTSP ChRoot
[05:15] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:19] <mhz> buggzero: it takes a lot to finish that step?
[05:19] <mhz> or it fails?
[05:22] <buggzero> yeah it hangs at 50%
[05:22] <buggzero> then a red screen comes up says it failed
[05:23] <mhz> oh
[05:23] <mhz> well
[05:23] <mhz> what is the hardware you are using?
[05:23] <buggzero> pIII
[05:23] <buggzero> 750 mghrz
[05:24] <buggzero> 172 ram
[05:25] <mhz> weired it is it fails
[05:25] <LaserJock> you're trying to make an LTSP server out of that?
[05:25] <buggzero> no?
[05:25] <buggzero> just regular ol desktop install
[05:25] <buggzero> using edubuntu?
[05:29] <LaserJock> then you shouldn't be doing LTSP stuff
[05:33] <buggzero> how do I not use it?
[05:33] <buggzero> because im doing a straight fresh install and i just torrented the img
[05:34] <LaserJock> what options do you get at bootup?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> you get an option to install workstation on boot
[05:35] <buggzero> yeah but i do install to harddrive
[05:39] <buggzero> dont worry everyone i think its going to be O K
[05:40] <LaserJock> buggzero: right, but the workstation install doesn't do the LTSP stuff
[07:22] <cbx33> good morning
[09:24] <trive> hello
[10:11] <cbx33> morning all
[01:31] <donpaolo> Hi ogra! is edubuntu different from ubuntu in rsync configuration? I'm trying to use backuppc, but it works with ubuntu  and it doesn't with edubuntu
[01:32] <ogra> nope, its the idential package
[01:32] <ogra> must be some glitch in your config
[01:35] <donpaolo> ogra, and with ssh?
[01:36] <donpaolo> ogra, could you see if in http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/ssh.html#how_do_i_setup_openssh is there something that can't work in edubuntu?
[01:37] <ogra> if it works in ubuntu it must work in edubuntu as well
[01:37] <ogra> there is no difference at all
[01:37] <donpaolo> ogra, ok, thank you
[03:23] <sbalneav> I'm here, I'm there, I'm everywhere!  So beware! :)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:24] <jsgotangco> hey sbalneav how is UK?
[03:24] <sbalneav> That was so saturday.  :)  It was great!    I'll try to get some posted later today.
[03:34] <ogra> sbalneav, we were in a bar after the dinner where a live band played pink flody :)
[03:35] <sbalneav> Wow!
[03:35] <ogra> right across the road from the restaurant
[03:35] <sbalneav> Pink Floyd makes everything better.
[03:35] <ogra> heh
[03:35] <jsgotangco> did they play well enough
[03:35] <ogra> yep
[03:35] <ogra> better than the tom jones stuff or prince they played later :)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> prince haha
[03:38] <ogra> imagine prince "kiss" in a very low voice :)
[03:38] <ogra> and with no tune at all ... like spoken by a bored news speaker
[04:20] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:49] <Amaranth> ogra: ping?
[04:49] <ogra> Amaranth, pong
[04:49] <Amaranth> ogra: i think i have something to show you
[04:49] <ogra> yay !
[04:49] <Amaranth> let me make sure i've pushed the latest code
[04:51] <Amaranth> ok, branch http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng/
[04:51] <Amaranth> the first tab of the willow-config program doesn't do anything but the other two do work
[04:54] <Amaranth> neat trick, if you train a good website as bad you're likely to have all good sites blocked and all...bad sites let through :)
[04:54] <ogra> Amaranth, btw, jdub suggested "Mad Martigan" as appname
[04:54] <ogra> after a guy in the movie willlow
[04:55] <Amaranth> hmm
[04:55] <Amaranth> i dunno, that's pretty out there :P
[04:58] <rodarvus> hi there
[04:58] <DanielC> Greetings. Can anyone recommend a low-cost thin client box? The ideal box would be no bigger than a network switch and be silent.
[04:59] <DanielC> It is meant to work with Edubuntu.
[04:59] <ogra> define low-cost
[04:59] <ogra> i usually recommend stuff from disklessworkstations.com
[05:00] <ogra> Amaranth, looks very cool !
[05:00] <DanielC> The one I have on my desk costs 175. Anything lower than can be considered "low cost" :)
[05:00] <DanielC> *click*
[05:00] <Amaranth> ogra: Is that good for the mid-point thingie?
[05:00] <ogra> Amaranth, totally !
[05:01] <ogra> thats really sexy ...
[05:01] <Amaranth> I foresee several poolside days in my future. :P
[05:02] <ogra> :)
[05:04] <JaneW> hi all
[05:04] <JaneW> I have popped in for a quick visit
[05:05] <ogra> hey JaneW, you were missed in paris
[05:05] <DanielC> Speaking of which... how was Paris?
[05:05] <ogra> great
[05:06] <DanielC> Anything interesting happen?
[05:06] <ogra> localdevice support is completely specced ... the next generation of edubuntu servers will work out of the box without editing of the dhcpd.conf ...
[05:06] <JaneW> ogra: I missed Paris too
[05:06] <JaneW> ogra: how was it?
[05:07] <ogra> other stuff is in the review queue ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: good things in store for edubuntu?
[05:07] <JaneW> cool
[05:07] <DanielC> cool
[05:07] <ogra> JaneW, bad food hotel 10km away from the rest of the world ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: :/
[05:07] <ogra> so we were somehow feeling like in jail ...
[05:07] <JaneW> ogra: it didn't look too promising, but it seemed to be a deliberate tactic...
[05:07] <ogra> oh and a glass beer was 9 at the bar
[05:08] <DanielC> I was going to suggest that dhcpd.conf default to a network range other than <IP_ADDRESS>/24 because that conflicts with most existing networks. But from what you say, this won't be necessary, correct?
[05:08] <JaneW> cheap, far away and no distractions, and free shuttle to from airport
[05:08] <ogra> you could go to paris but that took you 1h
[05:08] <JaneW> 9euros!
[05:08] <JaneW> yikes
[05:08] <ogra> yep
[05:09] <JaneW> more than a 1L bottle of amarula
[05:09] <ogra> DanielC, existing setups wont be touched ... new installs will have a not so common range
[05:09] <DanielC> ogra: Great. That was going to be my suggestion. I'm using 192.168.17.x on mine because that's not common.
[05:10] <ogra> it will likely even be something else than 192.168  i think ... we'll need to discuss that ...
[05:10] <DanielC> Ok.
[05:11] <ogra> but that will also need two NICs on install ...
[05:11] <ogra> (which seems to be k12ltsp default as well... it confused many k12 people that switched that we default to one)
[05:12] <DanielC> Wait... Edubuntu only needs one NIC?
[05:12] <ogra> DanielC, if it runs standalone, yes
[05:12] <ogra> as soon as you put it in a bigger network you'll better off with two
[05:12] <DanielC> Ok.
[05:13] <DanielC> Yes, and mine are always going to be in bigger networks.
[05:13] <ogra> but i'm running my edubuntu server here as my dhcp server, my thin clients are on the same network as my normal machjines
[05:13] <DanielC> Most schools are not going to switch to Edubuntu overnight, they'll start with a trial.
[05:14] <ogra> and our target for the first two releases was only a single standalone classroom, so that was the right setup
[05:14] <ogra> the next releases are about integration :)
[05:14] <DanielC> :-)
[05:14] <DanielC> Integration is good :)
[05:14] <ogra> yeah ...
[05:15] <DanielC> Even though the eventual goal is to use 100% free software, making the first trial run a good experience is a good strategy.
[05:17] <JackHanna> hey guys
[05:17] <ogra> DanielC, btw, thats the system used to develop ubuntu ltsp http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200014.html?id=EiiIgkzb i can guarantee 100% functionality ;)
[05:18] <DanielC> ogra: Thanks!  That one is also a bit cheaper than the one I have here.
[05:18] <JackHanna> funny.. I was just coming in here to ask about pxe booting terminals
[05:18] <DanielC> :)
[05:20] <JackHanna> I have a ubuntu 6.06 install that I apt installed edubuntu on that I'm trying to get working with net booting thin/thick clients on
[05:21] <ogra> make sure to follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall if you add it on top of ubuntu
[05:21] <JackHanna> does anyone know of a place you could go to find LTSP installs in your area? I think that would really help spread the project and get new admins on board
[05:21] <JackHanna> ooh thanks
[05:22] <ogra> there was such an request from someone in the community, not sure if anyone implemented something like a website for it yet ...
[05:22] <ogra> but should be easy to do based on the tools used for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[05:22] <JackHanna> I haven't found info on configuring the 2 nic cards for...
[05:24] <ogra> just make the one for the thin clients use <IP_ADDRESS> as static ip and you are done
[05:24] <JackHanna> ok, and pxe,dhcp and stuff will be taken care of on that interface?
[05:24] <ogra> yep
[05:25] <JackHanna> hmm.. cool, reaching for 2nd nic right now
[05:25] <ogra> indeed the other interface shouldnt be in 192.168.0.*
[05:25] <JackHanna> good point.. I'll have to reconfig my linksys to use 10.x or something
[05:26] <JackHanna> I've got my linksys pluged into my dmz at work for testing(porn) and stuff
[05:26] <JackHanna> testing*cugh*bittorrent*cough*
[05:26] <ogra> heh
[05:26] <JackHanna> can't wait till our 10mbit connection gets in!
[05:29] <pips1> ogra, Amaranth I liked the "Mad Martigan" suggestion for Willow ;-)
[05:29] <pips1> big favourite of mine
[05:31] <JackHanna> but hey, the cable company is here at the library hooking me up with free cable and a free cable modem! whoot
[05:35] <JackHanna> what do you put as the default gateway for the 2nd nic?
[05:36] <JackHanna> I'm guessing it have to be itself right?
[05:38] <ogra> doesnt matter ... you can point it to itself ...
[05:38] <ogra> the thin clients dont need any routing ...
[05:40] <JackHanna> do you know where the documentation on adding edubuntu to ubuntu is? I was going over it last week
[05:40] <ogra> there is none i think
[05:41] <ogra> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server and then follow the howto above ...
[05:41] <pips1> "LTSP Term 150": $279.95. I was told today that my local government buys "fat" clients (PCs) for only around $560 (i.e. double price of thin client). So the cost savings aren't in the hardware cost so much, but more in the maintenance savings (thin clients last loger, less hardware failures (no ventilator ot other "moving parts") and can be replaced like a defective light bulb...).
[05:41] <JackHanna> that's it I did the edubuntu-server.. they said you didn't need to do the desktop unless  you wanted the added apps and stuff
[05:42] <ogra> if you only want ltsp install ltsp-server-standalone
[05:42] <JackHanna> so after installing edubuntu-server I still have to do the steps above
[05:42] <ogra> not edubuntu-*
[05:42] <ogra> yes
[05:43] <ogra> its only a metapackage that depends on the right packages, there are no configuration bits or something
[05:43] <JackHanna> but the link you gave me was for installing ltsp standalone..
[05:45] <pips1> ogra, will you change the edubuntu package for edgy? currently, the (kde) edu applications are all bunched in there... :-/
[05:46] <ogra> lets see, seems we got an additional 20MB for free from ubuntus seed cleanup ...
[05:46] <pips1> right
[05:46] <ogra> depending on how much that will fill up over time until release we wont need to drop anything if we're lucky
[05:47] <pips1> btw, good news re 'local devices support' spec :-)
[05:48] <pips1> did you have a chance to look at those two "student control panel" apps that were mentioned on the mailing list?
[05:50] <ogra> pips1, please stop poking me about controlaulas, i have answered you about it several times niow v... we dont want apps written in basic
[05:50] <pips1> the one from LinEx and the iTALC one?
[05:50] <pips1> huh?
[05:50] <pips1> sorry, that wasn't me poking...!
[05:51] <pips1> they are written in basic!?!
[05:51] <pips1> good lord
[05:52] <ogra> controlaulas is written in gambas, yes
[05:52] <ogra> and i answer that question once a month
[05:53] <ogra> and i'm sure i answered it to you as well already in this channel ...
[05:53] <pips1> well, you can still look at the thing for ideas.. you don't need to actually distribute it if there are technical reasons that speak against it.
[05:53] <pips1> ogra, nope, not to me, but I see you have been pestered enough :-P hehe
[05:54] <ogra> feel free to add them to the TeachersPet page for feature suggestions
[05:54] <pips1> oki
[05:58] <pips1> I had an interesting discussion about those "student control" apps with a sys admin just on the weekend.. he thinks it's more effective to change the seating layout in the labs. he wants "angled V-shape" desks, where the side without the computer is facing to the teacher and the other side faces away from the teacher... so students have an unobstructed view to the front and the teacher sees the screens of the students...
[05:59] <pips1> the problem, of course, is that you can fit less students in such a lab
[05:59] <pips1> and you need "custom" tables
[06:00] <ogra> well, i'd like to hear from a teacher about that :)
[06:00] <ogra> sysadmins dont do the day to day work :)
[06:01] <pips1> yeah
[06:01] <pips1> I think he was teaching too though
[06:01] <pips1> s/was/is
[06:06] <pips1> ogra,  did you have a look at the iTALC app at all?
[06:06] <pips1> http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php
[06:06] <ogra> yes i met the author in paris
[06:06] <pips1> so....? :-)
[06:07] <pips1> is it an option or not?
[06:11] <ogra> well, either invest 200h to re implement it in gtk (its qt) and make it work with our ltsp or finish SCP in less but have less features by default and a sane python based plugin system ...
[06:12] <ogra> iTALC is fine if you have certain prerequisites we dont use ... ldap by default for the whole school would be one for example ...
[06:12] <JackHanna> the install script for ltsp is still running...
[06:12] <JackHanna> crosses fingers
[06:12] <highvoltage> hi ogra
[06:13] <rodarvus> highvoltage!
[06:13] <rodarvus> have you uploaded your pictures somehwere already? ;)
[06:14] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i tried to upload all my photos this morning, but i noticed i ran out of webspace :(
[06:14] <rodarvus> oh
[06:14] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage, rodarvus, and ogra
[06:14] <highvoltage> so what i'll do is delete all the older photos i have
[06:14] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[06:14] <highvoltage> so i'll do that tomorrow morning. quite a bit behind today
[06:14] <highvoltage> hey LaserJock!
[06:14] <pips1> hey highvoltage
[06:14] <rodarvus> highvoltage, you can also upload them to somewhere else, such as flickr
[06:14] <highvoltage> have you recovered from paris?
[06:14] <highvoltage> hey pips1
[06:15] <LaserJock> I got a really bad cold :(
[06:15] <highvoltage> rodarvus: true. do i have to upload them 1 by 1 with some dodgy interface though?
[06:15] <highvoltage> geepers.
[06:15] <rodarvus> highvoltage, hopefully not
[06:15] <highvoltage> i was home at midnight on saturday. i'm glad i left very early.
[06:16] <rodarvus> I left Paris on Saturday, 22h local time (20h UTC)
[06:16] <ogra> hey LaserJock
[06:16] <pips1> ogra, thanks for your info re iTALC
[06:16] <rodarvus> but had to leave the hotel *much* earlier (14h)
[06:16] <highvoltage> ogra: hello
[06:16] <rodarvus> :)
[06:17] <ogra> pips1, i'll stay in contact with the italc author though ... might become handy at some point where we target such setups by default
[06:17] <pips1> good
[06:18] <pips1> edgy will still be targeted at class room, right?
[06:19] <ogra> well, we'll have network authentication in edgy ...
[06:20] <pips1> whooot
[06:20] <ogra> so steps are done into becoming a school distro rather then a classroom distro
[06:20] <ogra> but the real switch might happen not before edgy+1
[06:21] <pips1> yep, ic
[06:21] <pips1> a plugins architecture for s-c-p sounds like a good idea
[06:22] <pips1> and avoiding feature bloat too
[06:32] <ogra> YAYAYAYAY !!!
[06:32] <ogra> we have a working ltsp again :D
[06:32] <ogra> wow, fixing the bugs debian introduced costed me three days ...
[06:33] <mhz> hi all
[06:34] <LaserJock> \o/
[06:35] <mhz> ogra rulz
[06:36] <ogra> well, for now only ltsp-build-client works again ... i didnt test it in reality yet
[06:38] <cbx33> hi all
[06:38] <cbx33> everybody back safe?
[06:39] <pips1> hi mhz
[06:39] <mhz> hi pips1
[06:39] <pips1> hey cbx33
[06:39] <cbx33> hi pips1
[06:39] <mhz> hey cbx33
[06:40] <mhz> hey LaserJock
[06:40] <mhz> hehehe
[06:40] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[06:40] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[06:40] <mhz> hi highvoltage
[06:40] <highvoltage> and mhz :)
[06:40] <cbx33> hi mhz
[06:40] <ogra> meh, more bugs
[06:40] <mhz> lol
[06:40] <cbx33> hi ogra
[06:40] <ogra> why is that debiuan
[06:40] <ogra> stuff so broiken
[06:40] <cbx33> did you hear about grasynco?
[06:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you think Lisa would mind running the Edubuntu art team?
[06:41] <pips1> ogra, you are *are* talking about unstable, right? ;-)
[06:41] <mhz> highvoltage: ikks (aka Igor Tamara from Colombia) has a very interesting Map of Colombia related to Schools implementing FLOSS
[06:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, she said could you drop her an email about whats involved etc
[06:41] <mhz> Could we have something like that for Edubuntu?
[06:41] <cbx33> i think she's worried about being up to the task
[06:41] <cbx33> I reckon she'd be great
[06:42] <pips1> mhz, link?
[06:42] <mhz> yeah. w8
[06:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, she is, as far as I know, the only candidate, so whatever contributions she can make, in terms of leadership or artwork knowledge, would be greatly appreciated.
[06:43] <mhz> who is Lisa?
[06:44] <ogra> pips1, nope i'm talking about debians bzr branch
[06:44] <highvoltage> mhz: cbx33's wife. she painted the edubuntu 'gangsta' wallpaper
[06:44] <highvoltage> sorry, not painted. i nearly said 'painted the mona lisa'. d'oh!
[06:45] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:45] <ogra> cbx33, we couldnt imaginne anyone better :)
[06:45] <mhz> oh, yeah! the wife
[06:46] <mhz> pips1: highvoltage: http://estadisticas.slec.net/slec/ejemplos/
[06:46] <highvoltage> ogra: hello
[06:46] <ogra> heya !
[06:46] <LaserJock> highvoltage: heh, having fun with colors?
[06:46] <highvoltage> yay! :)
[06:46] <mhz> please click on "Cundinamarca"  near the center, small region
[06:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: well, ogra has been ignoring me, so i had to step up my hello. i was just about to use blinking text ;)
[06:47] <ogra> haha
[06:47] <ogra> is there a tag for blinking text on irc ?
[06:47] <highvoltage> no, i don't think so.
[06:48] <pips1> hehe
[06:48] <bddebian> highvoltage: :-)
[06:49] <pips1> mhz, took me quite a while to locate that region ;-)
[06:50] <highvoltage> i can't believe how quickly last week zoomed by.
[06:50] <mhz> pips1: hehe
[06:50] <highvoltage> a week away from home sounded like a long time, but it flew quickly with the ubunteros.
[06:50] <pips1> mhz, nice info
[06:52] <cbx33> I'm sure she will do it
[06:52] <mhz> pips1: yeah, I figure something like that would help show off some stats about edubuntu
[06:52] <cbx33> I'l bbl
[06:52] <cbx33> some serious family stuff to deal with tonight
[06:52] <cbx33> take care guys
[06:52] <highvoltage> seeya cb<tab>
[06:52] <bddebian> Heh, me too
[06:54] <pips1> mhz, who collected that info? just one person? how? by calling schools?
[06:55] <mhz> pips1: well, in Colombia, Igor Tamara started an edu-community. He encourages schools to use FLOSS and provide info, He then uploads the info
[06:57] <ogra> pips1, the official page once was http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide
[06:58] <pips1> mhz, in switzerland, the government does statistics of ict in schools. I am just reading the latest one. very interesting.
[06:59] <pips1> they don't have a map though
[06:59] <pips1> ogra, cheers
[07:00] <mhz> ogra: BTW, Danile Favara (aka nomed) showed us how easy would be to cook Edubuntu Lite or Edubunt Latino, etc. It was just a matter of using his dsslive implementations. For a non hacker took about 20 minutes to understand how to do it. And the whole human-process takes about 30 minutes. The computing process, about 90 minutes, depending on hardware.
[07:01] <DanielC> Whoo hoo!!  Another Ubuntu convert. My boss and I just finished installing and setting up Ubuntu on his desktop (his primary computer).
[07:01] <mhz> cool
[07:01] <DanielC> :-D
[07:02] <DanielC> Taking over the world, one PC at a time...
[07:02] <pips1> mhz, are you talking about ubuntu derivatives / customisation?
[07:09] <pips1> got to run, cu all
[07:24] <LaserJock> hi HedgeMage
[07:24] <LaserJock> things calming down today?
[07:25] <HedgeMage> Starting to :)
[07:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: were some accounts really compromised? i suppose changing my passwd won't hurt...
[07:27] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: it was <25 user accounts... however, changing certainly wouldn't hurt
[07:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: have a time frame of when this occurred ?
[07:33] <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hey there!
[07:33] <sbalneav> Made it home safe?
[07:35] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[07:37] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey hey!
[07:37] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: if you didn't try to ID to nickserv during the time things were crashing two nights ago, you are okay.
[07:39] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: nope, but there was something odd. I appeared as op in #doomsday, and I'm not set to auto-op
[07:40] <HedgeMage> that would happen because the servers came up before chanserv was back, so the channel didn't know about any of your settings yet.
[07:45] <highvoltage> hey sbalneav :)
[07:45] <highvoltage> sbalneav: yes, i did!
[08:34] <highvoltage> geez, these drupal updates sure are icky
[08:35] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: how so?
[08:36] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i upgraded, and then the site would only display blank pages
[08:37] <HedgeMage> ouch!
[08:37] <HedgeMage> from what to what?
[08:37] <highvoltage> so i spent quite some time trying to troubleshoot it, and the people on #drupal-support helped me a bit the week before paris, but we didn't get much far.
[08:37] <highvoltage> so tonight i just started over, with the backed up database, and now for some reason it just works.
[08:37] <highvoltage> from 4.7.0 to 4.7.2
[08:37] <HedgeMage> weird
[08:37] <highvoltage> yep. perhaps i was just being stupid earlier :)
[08:37] <HedgeMage> lol
[08:38] <highvoltage> i still feel a little caution about the next upgrade, but i'm going to make sure i do it earlier when the next update is released.
[08:38] <highvoltage> i don't want to skip an update again.
[08:48] <duck--> hello again, HedgeMage
[08:49] <HedgeMage> hi duck--
[08:49] <duck--> So, ogra is the one who could possibly point me in the right direction for customizing installation CDs?
[08:49] <ogra> not really
[08:50] <ogra> i only use the ubuntu build server tools to build a cd, if you customize it the brocess is very different
[08:50] <ogra> but there is a wikipage about customizing aan install cd iso
[08:51] <duck--> yes, I've toyed with it once in the past with no success.
[08:51] <highvoltage> isn't it bad karma to have a nick like duck-- ?
[08:51] <duck--> The ubuntu website instructs a contact to get in touch with the "development team" but gives no contact information, hence my dilemma.
[08:51] <duck--> highvoltage: not when large objects are thrown.
[08:51] <highvoltage> :)
[08:52] <HedgeMage> duck--: did you try emailing the dev mailing list (either ubuntu main or edubuntu) ?
[08:53] <ogra> duck--, there are plenty of people making customized CDs, so i suspect it can be done somehow
[08:53] <duck--> HedgeMage: indeed I did, I received a reply stating that the message was awaiting approval by a list administrator.
[08:53] <ogra> but i never did that myself ...
[08:53] <HedgeMage> duck--: ahh if you join the mailing list you don't have to deal with that.
[08:53] <HedgeMage> non-members get moderated, and most of that is spam so it gets lost sometimes
[08:53] <duck--> HedgeMage: hmm, I thought I did.  Let me double-check.
[08:53] <signifer123> Fro custom cd's i do believe there was a guide on it for version 5.10...i'll look for it...
[08:54] <duck--> I've seen it signifer123, but it's rather incomplete and hacky.  I'm looking for something more stable, complete, and official.
[08:55] <signifer123> Ok, have you looked at MyBuntu scripts?
[08:56] <duck--> No, actually.  Is that the script that was included on that same wiki page?
[08:56] <signifer123> I don't think they are still up though...
[08:56] <duck--> oh...
[08:56] <ogra> google cache might help
[08:56] <duck--> well, the addition of multiple methods and a lack of explanation of the tasks is confusing.
[08:57] <duck--> on the wiki page, that is
[08:57] <ogra> well, its a wikipage
[08:57] <duck--> yep :)
[08:58] <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto initially had only this content: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[08:59] <ogra> both work, but one is edited by many many folks :)
[08:59] <ogra> and somehow hides the simplicissity of the task :)
[09:00] <ogra> hmm
[09:00] <ogra> -iss :)
[09:01] <duck--> I'd be more than willing to contribute my findings in a complete and coherent manner, if only I could figure it out.
[09:06] <JackHanna> hey oga,  the install script in that quick start ended with errors, the client gets an ip address but fails with a tftp error of file not found
[09:06] <JackHanna> looks like 2 packages failed to download
[09:08] <ogra> which packages ?
[09:08] <JackHanna> fontconfig2.3.2-1 and xprop
[09:08] <JackHanna> from the archive.ubuntu.com server
[09:08] <JackHanna> does that make sence, or do you nee more info
[09:08] <ogra> well, then you only have half a thin client installed
[09:09] <JackHanna> any idea why they'd fail to fetch?
[09:09] <ogra> sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/$(dpkg --print-architecture) && sudo ltsp-build-client
[09:09] <ogra> nope
[09:10] <JackHanna> your saying I should run that
[09:10] <ogra> netwrok breakage ? cosmic rays, a whacky cable ...
[09:10] <JackHanna> I'll try and run it again
[09:16] <duck--> ogra: one last question, and possibly a strange one, how do you disable automounting?
[09:17] <ogra> for plugged devices ?
[09:17] <duck--> yes
[09:17] <ogra> s/plugged/removable/
[09:17] <signifer123> i thoghut he ment fstab...
[09:17] <signifer123> thought...
[09:17] <duck--> i know how to disable it for ones that are permanent, fstab and all that
[09:17] <ogra> see the menu ...
[09:18] <ogra> system->settings->removable devices i think
[09:19] <duck--> was wondering what programmatically can be changed to disable this, for forensics purposes
[09:19] <duck--> if you know, off-hand
[09:19] <ogra> must be a gconf key, look for it in gconf-editor
[09:20] <duck--> hmm, ok, thanks
[09:24] <duck--> hmm, i think i'm going to start a project if there isn't already one for customizing installation CDs, I see a definite need
[09:25] <JackHanna> sounds like a good idea.. have you taken a look at this virtual device at VMware that will pxe boot and install iso's for you may go well with your program for an easy to set up and use network installer
[09:25] <LaserJock> duck--: perhaps working with http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/ would be good
[09:27] <JackHanna> http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/371
[09:27] <duck--> JackHanna: that's an excellent idea as well
[09:27] <duck--> LaserJock: you don't think that this is beyond the scope of the livecd-customization?
[09:28] <JackHanna> at work I love using Altiris Deployment server... I'm such a sucker for a pxe boot OS installer and imageer
[09:28] <JackHanna> imager
[09:29] <JackHanna> I can't even think about manageing computer labs without Altiris
[09:29] <duck--> JackHanna: yeah, that would be nice, at my work we're stuck with ghosting, having to boot each client off a cd to image it
[09:29] <duck--> then send out the image in a multicast from the server
[09:29] <LaserJock> duck--: it'd be great to have one tool for CD customization
[09:29] <JackHanna> yuck, check out that appliance.. I've been meening to look into it
[09:29] <duck--> LaserJock: hmm, yeah indeed.
[09:29] <JackHanna> and I believe there are some other good pxe boot imageing freeware tools out there
[09:31] <duck--> JackHanna: but my issue at hand is pressing, so I'm afraid I can't spend too much time on it at the moment.
[09:31] <JackHanna> isn't that how it always works?
[09:31] <duck--> hehe
[09:31] <JackHanna> anyone work for a library or school?
[09:31] <duck--> i do
[09:32] <JackHanna> witch and where
[09:32] <duck--> Madison Area Technical College, Madison, WI, http://matcmadison.edu
[09:32] <duck--> witch?!!? where!   See thought it was weird ;-)
[09:46] <mhz> highvoltage: just in case you wanna know. It seems to me, ion2 desktop is a little bit more friendly than fluxbox and wmaker, because it does update the desktop menu when you install apps. I have not seen icons or backgrounds on it yet, but it does cleverly administer the desktop area.
[09:47] <LaserJock> yeah, menu systems suck ;-)
[09:48] <mhz> highvoltage: and... also wanted to mention that I'll start working on edubuntu-latino (edubuntu lite idea) next week.
[09:48] <mhz> LaserJock: yup, however, gnome, kde and xfce do take care of that
[09:49] <highvoltage> LaserJock: heh.
[09:49] <highvoltage> mhz: ion2? ubuntu ships with ion3 :)
[09:50] <mhz> hehehe
[09:51] <LaserJock> I really like openbox
[09:51] <mhz> yup, many nice alternatives
[09:51] <crimsun> (I hope you mean openbox 3 and not openbox 2)
[09:51] <LaserJock> crimsun: uh yeah
[09:52] <LaserJock> openbox 3 has been out for years
[09:52] <crimsun> hey now, I happen to like both openbox 2 and 3
[09:53] <crimsun> I was a blackbox 0.4x user back then
[09:54] <LaserJock> I haven't ever used blackbox much, back in the Gentoo days I tried out virtually all the window managers
[09:55] <crimsun> while I certainly won't discredit shaleh, I do prefer blackbox 0.4x over any current derivatives
[09:56] <crimsun> "use what gets the job done" became my mantra
[09:56] <fowlduck> hello
[09:57] <crimsun> hi
[10:04] <fowlduck> be back in a bit....again
[10:11] <ere> I'm about to add ldap for authentication to a network that consists of two schools and one kindergarten, do you have any suggestions/advice to a beginner in Ldap?
[10:11] <JackHanna> make sure you can restore from backup!
[10:12] <ere> the number of users will be 200+ to begin with. Totally about 100 computers, most running ubuntu/edubuntu, some MS, and a few OSX
[10:12] <JackHanna> if your intrested in a way for lower admins/teachers to make accounts for students have a look at my buddies web project to have Ruby on Rails and a web interface make users for you
[10:13] <ere> JackHanna: that is interesting, url?
[10:13] <JackHanna> http://www.aaronbedra.com/pages/ldap
[10:13] <JackHanna> he made it so we could have patrons with accounts for video editing on the Macs... all the other tools where way to complicated for the librarians to use
[10:16] <ere> JackHanna: how do you structure entries in the DIT? and what kind of information do you store?
[10:16] <JackHanna> I guess just name and password.. but anything could be added.
[10:17] <JackHanna> just shoot him an email, the link should be on his www page
[10:17] <JackHanna> I couldn't believe no one had made a tool like this before
[10:17] <fowlduck> like what?
[10:18] <fowlduck> what tool?
[10:20] <fowlduck> did I miss something?  when did Sun's JRE/JDK/etc get into the repos?
[10:23] <LaserJock> fowlduck: right before Dapper was released, I believe
[10:23] <fowlduck> wow, very very nice
[10:24] <LaserJock> Sun went to a different license that is a bit more open
[10:24] <th1a> fowlduck:  sabdfl was on stage at Sun One... it was a thing.
[10:24] <fowlduck> wow
[10:25] <LaserJock> yes, we get Java and they get Sparc
[10:25] <fowlduck> ?
[10:25] <fowlduck> the architecture?
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:26] <LaserJock> Ubuntu now supports Sparc
[10:31] <fowlduck> nice
[10:32] <fowlduck> LaserJock, I think you do something with docs, right?  There is a broken link here to a deb package: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html
[10:32] <fowlduck> LaserJock, it's the RealPlayer deb
[10:32] <LaserJock> hmm, let me look
[10:37] <LaserJock> fowlduck: hmm, looks like it is broken, I'll file a bug. thanks for noticing
[10:37] <fowlduck> no problem
[10:40] <fowlduck> thanks for filing it, too :)
[11:09] <JackHanna> damn install died again with those 2 missing packages!
[11:14] <fowlduck> same 2?
[11:14] <JackHanna> yep
[11:14] <fowlduck> ouch
[11:14] <fowlduck> sounds broken
[11:15] <fowlduck> be back in a bit
[11:16] <JackHanna> I'm out.. later guys
[11:16] <JackHanna> I'll work on this later
[11:16] <ogra> JackHanna, do you have the correct versiuons ?
[11:16] <ogra> from the error ?
[11:16] <JackHanna> versiuons?
[11:17] <ogra> fontconfig 2.3.2-1 isnt in ubuntu
[11:17] <JackHanna> It's running again, I ran apt-get update first
[11:17] <ogra> you named that version before
[11:17] <JackHanna> oh... then how is it expected to be installed
[11:17] <JackHanna> ya that's one it asked for
[11:17] <ogra> 2.3.2-1.1ubuntu12 is though
[11:17] <JackHanna> then why is it asking for that package?
[11:18] <ogra> do you have any debian sources in your servers sources list ?
[11:18] <ogra> if so, reinsatll the server, you cant fix that easily
[11:18] <JackHanna> I don't think so
[11:18] <JackHanna> sigh
[11:18] <ogra> looks to me like you are using a debian veryion of your ltsp package
[11:19] <JackHanna> I ran the quick install guide.....
[11:19] <ogra> what does: dpkg -l ltsp-server reveal ?
[11:19] <JackHanna> I had also installed easy ubuntu if that adds any wacko repos...
[11:19] <JackHanna> are you going to be around tuesday?
[11:19] <ogra> check with  dpkg -l ltsp-server
[11:20] <ogra> i'm always around ... unless i sleep
[11:20] <ogra> :)
[11:20] <JackHanna> later
[11:20] <ogra> sigh


[00:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: s-c is now updated with bug fix
[00:35] <OvenWerks> Hope fully I can just move forward now...
[01:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Agreed. That regression was a PITA.
[01:32] <Eickmeyer> Technically not a regression, but whatever.
[02:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: What do you make of bug 1877806?
[11:59] <StevenJayCohen> I'm planning an article about installing Studio into other flavors. Is it okay to mention the eventual goal of Studio Controls not being exclusive to Ubuntu?
[12:12] <StevenJayCohen> Building the article around a reference to Janet from The Good Place: Girl/Not-a-girl becomes Flavor/Not-a-flavor
[12:14] <StevenJayCohen> So, yes, I am implying that UbubtuStudio is a Janet
[14:35] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: I'd rather publicly announce that on our site first, but one idea I had for you was giving you access to the website to do some posts there.
[14:40] <RikMills> kde frameworks 5.70.0 landing in proposed
[14:40] <StevenJayCohen> That's why I thought to ask. It felt like something requiring an official announcement. I've got enough to make a post without that part anyway. Reminding people that Studio can work inside any other flavor seems like enough for an article. We're both using wordpress, right? If I remember correctly there is a way to syndicate a post. Or I can keep my personal posts about my personal experience and figure
[14:40] <StevenJayCohen> out how to generalize the advice for posts to the official blog.
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: \o/
[14:57] <RikMills> maybe /o\ https://pointieststick.com/2020/05/10/why-the-animations-in-your-plasma-5-18-feel-slow-now-and-when-it-will-be-fixed/
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: uhoh...
[14:57] <RikMills> I wish plasma devs would tell me these things before they release things!
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: Yeah, keep your personal posts separate. I'm sure you can come up with stuff for the site though. And maybe Twitter, too.
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: So, slugfest for a month then, it seems.
[14:58] <RikMills> unless I can safely revert the commits in question via a patch
[14:59] <RikMills> I am not sure how long until we get 5.19, as it requires new qt and 2 new sources
[14:59] <Eickmeyer> Are we waiting on Debian for new qt or....?
[15:00] <RikMills> yes debian, and then a transition here
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[15:01] <RikMills> we might get our transition done 1st, but not all qt 5.14 is packaged yet
[17:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Calf plugins are not known for stability, dsp quality, care is coding etc.
[17:03] <OvenWerks> Ardour does not "sandbox" plugins as some other sw does or allows because it does not scale and there are Ardour users who regularily use Ardour with well over 100 channels in live situations where their livelyhood depends on quality.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> Ardour is profesional sw, Calf plugins are not.
[17:06] <OvenWerks> I wish people would not suggest the use of calf plugins except where there is no other sw that can do the same job (almost never)
[17:06] <OvenWerks> I would (if it was up to me) drop the package from US.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> They are working on replacing the the gui tool kit with a unique built in kit.
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Right, and lsp-plugins are more complete nowadays anyhow. Might be worth dropping calf from the default, but we can't drop it from the repo. That bug was originally filed against Ardour, should I remove Ardour from the bug report?
[17:15] <StevenJayCohen> I mostly use: AirWindows, GVST, and LSP plugins. Then again, I rarely use virtual instruments.
[17:17] <StevenJayCohen> The LSP plugins have an odd glitch graphically, but I think its the plugins and not Ubuntu Studio at fault.
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> Got a screenshot?
[17:19]  * StevenJayCohen uploaded an image: image.png (48KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bWTXPVTeSGkugnuqgBIYqNpJ >
[17:19] <StevenJayCohen> I've seen this on windows when VSTs don't properly request a window size, some hosts just collapse
[17:20] <StevenJayCohen> I can resize it and use it fine
[17:20] <StevenJayCohen> That's not Reaper, Reaper works fine.
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> Ok, so yeah, that means the plugin isn't requesting a proper window size. Might be worth filing a bug report with the developer. https://github.com/sadko4u/lsp-plugins
[17:21] <StevenJayCohen> I had that on my todo list ;)
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> As a matter of fact, looks like you've got nothing to do then: https://github.com/sadko4u/lsp-plugins/issues/101
[17:21] <Eickmeyer> Known issue. :)
[17:22] <StevenJayCohen> I'll just chime in there then.
[17:23] <StevenJayCohen> My screenshot was in OcenAudio https://www.ocenaudio.com/
[17:23] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it's fixed, just awaiting a hotfix.
[17:23] <StevenJayCohen> I don't get the error in Reaper at all
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> Still might get fixed in the hotfix. I'd wait until after that is released. Will probably be 1.1.20 when released.
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> I track this pretty closely and try to backport when able.
[17:24] <StevenJayCohen> true
[17:24]  * Eickmeyer notes that 1.1.19 still needs to be pushed to groovy, but ERR:PackageSetRightsDelayed
[17:25]  * Eickmeyer *ahem*teward*ahem*
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> And yes, I know Rafael was working on them, but this sure is taking a while.
[17:26] <teward> i have a headache what
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> Packageset. Go back to your hangover. :)
[17:26] <teward> 1.1.19 of what?
[17:26] <teward> not a hangover
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> 1.1.19 of lsp-plugins
[17:26] <teward> allergies + sinuses
[17:26] <teward> Eickmeyer: is it ready to go?
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> teward: Yes. lp:lsp-plugins
[17:27] <StevenJayCohen> Now I can't remember, did Studio come with GVST installed or did I add that?
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> StevenJayCohen: I'm not 100% sure on that.
[17:29] <teward> Eickmeyer: on radar for BeforeBedtime today
[17:29] <StevenJayCohen> I think they haven't been updated in a few years (the linux and mac versions).
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> teward: Ok, go nurse your headache. :)
[17:29] <teward> can't
[17:29] <teward> work requires attention
[17:29] <Eickmeyer> teward: My condolances and regrets. :(
[17:29] <StevenJayCohen> These: https://www.gvst.co.uk/portpage.htm
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> Innnnterrrresssssting.
[17:30] <StevenJayCohen> teward: Sorry about the headache. I get them too.
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I don't think we carry that by default.
[17:31] <StevenJayCohen> Guess I added it and forgot
[17:31] <StevenJayCohen> THey are solid and simple
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but where's the source code?
[17:31] <teward> StevenJayCohen: meh it happens.  I also need my caffeine but E:NOCOFFEE
[17:31] <StevenJayCohen> Right, I wasn't sure on that
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, doesn't look like they're open source.
[17:31] <StevenJayCohen> been there
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunatelly, means I have to Nack adding them.
[17:32] <teward> if it's not open source we can't package it normally.  we'd need to touch base with Canonical, etc. to see if it needs to go into multiverse or such
[17:32] <teward> yeah which means we can't include them per licensing policy
[17:32] <teward> *yawns*
[17:32] <teward> Eickmeyer: we need to set up a trello board or something with tasks to assign :P
[17:32] <teward> Lubuntu has Phabricator
[17:32] <teward> maybe we just need something similar
[17:33] <StevenJayCohen> Probably added it when I grabbed this: https://loudmax.blogspot.com/
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I'll look into it, but first; housecleaning, because Mother's Day, and my wife deserves a day.
[17:34] <StevenJayCohen> Universe would be a great place for OcenAudio - quick QT based sound editor - free, project from a Brazilian University, not open source packaged in a deb file.
[17:35] <StevenJayCohen> https://www.ocenaudio.com/whatis
[17:36] <teward> > not open source packaged
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> ^ That
[17:36] <teward> so the source isn't available.
[17:36] <teward> if we can't get the source we can't ship it
[17:36] <StevenJayCohen> Much slicker than AUdiacity, QT based, and respects theming
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> We cannot include anything that's not open source, StevenJayCohen .
[17:36] <teward> ^ this
[17:36] <StevenJayCohen> right, but would that be Universe? or not?
[17:36] <teward> it can't be universe
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> That would technically be Multiverse.
[17:36] <teward> because we can't ship non-open-source packages
[17:36] <teward> Eickmeyer: and even then we STILL need source access
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> ^True.
[17:37] <StevenJayCohen> Multi -- got it
[17:37] <StevenJayCohen> I wonder if they'd be open to that?
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> We would still need the source code, even if in multiverse.
[17:37] <teward> i'd have to consult with Release Team and Archive Admins
[17:37] <teward> as well as Canonical
[17:37] <teward> because I need to cover our butts legally :P
[17:37] <StevenJayCohen> Yep, understood.
[17:37] <teward> MOST closed source things are not open to it
[17:37] <teward> and Multiverse isn't default enabled last I checked.
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> That's correct.
[17:38] <StevenJayCohen> Performance-wise, it wipes the floor with Audacity (if all you need is a single track editor)
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> So, even if it was in Multiverse, we can't include it by default.
[17:38] <StevenJayCohen> Yeah, I get it -- too bad really.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: we can point out places where people can get other sw that may be approriate to their workflow
[18:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We have to be careful with that. The open source zealots would have a field day if we endorsed anything that's closed-source. Something on the website might be good, though.
[18:16] <OvenWerks> it would be nice to add zyn/fussion now that fussion has been released open
[18:16] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: I'm told that kde animation commit should be fine to revert for now
[18:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I would n ot add a utility that points to them or even urls, but a web page that list some sites was all I meant.
[18:18] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Cool. That could be a decent stopgap until we know for certain if 5.19 is going to drop with the new qt.
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, we're on the same page.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer, teward: Is this a valid licence: https://github.com/zynaddsubfx/zyn-fusion-build/blob/master/COPYING
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> The WTFPL? Yes. It is definitely valid.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> As in valid for inclusion in debian?
[19:28] <OvenWerks> (acceptable)
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> I don't see why not, it's probably not the first time a Debian package has been WTFPL.
[19:29] <tsimonq2> I've seen it. Don't ask. :P
[19:30] <tsimonq2> As long as it's documented in debian/copyright, it's a legit license.
[19:30] <OvenWerks> Cool we should change the upstream for zynaddsubfx
[19:31] <tsimonq2> ...was it relicensed or just forked?
[19:31] <tsimonq2> Sorry, I'm missing some context.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> the fussion gui adds controls to function ality that the old gui doesn't
[19:31] <OvenWerks> relicenced
[19:32] <OvenWerks> the first year out it was closed source (just the GUI)
[19:32] <tsimonq2> Might be slightly sketchy if there are still original files with an older license.
[19:32] <tsimonq2> Ohh, okay.
[19:32] <tsimonq2> And the vendor gave permission to relicense?
[19:32] <OvenWerks> The vender did the relicence
[19:32] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[19:32] <tsimonq2> That works then.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> Just make sure you do a full copyright check - so check every file for anything which may say that it could still be closed.
[19:33] <tsimonq2> It's tedious and it's the worst part of packaging but it's vital.
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Oh, look what that cat dragged in!
[19:36] <OvenWerks> It was part of the business plan from the day it was released. Make the new gui paid for the first year and then release the code open source after that.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> The actual dsp with the old gui remained open source the whole time.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, I'm trying to understand this thing. This is a build script on TOP of zynadsubfx for the fusion GUI?
[19:40] <OvenWerks> It loks so. I am looking at https://lists.linuxaudio.org/archives/linux-audio-user/2020-May/113013.html
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> I'm getting a strong whiff of this requiring a repack to be a valid package.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> where it seems to that cloning that will auto pull in the other?
[19:41] <OvenWerks> could be.
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> Yes. We can't simply do that in packaging.
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> I mean, RPM packaging is capable, but this is running into the limitations of DEB packaging.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> This seems to use two separate repos to build zyn-fusion.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> Theoretically, it could be done with a repack, but this is debian packaging gymnastics for sure.
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> I'd just have to patch the build script to ignore a whole bunch since you can't be "git clone"-ing anything inside a Debian package build.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> I now understand why this has not happened yet
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> I'm also leery anytime I see the name rosea grammostola. Technically, that's the name of a tarantula, but in this case it's the moniker of a very pushy, militant, "I know what's best for the Linux Audio community and I represent it" person.
[20:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: but it is a pointer to the repo that I was interested in more than the poster who was posting in responce to another person.
[21:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Right, gotcha. So, the big thing is that the build script clones the main zynaddsubfx repo, not like a typical submodule thing.
[23:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: re:pitivi, I had thought when we put that one in, it was because it was a live videa editor... sort of half way between other editors and obs. However, I just opened it up and it is nothing like I remember so maybe I was thinking of something else...
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yeah, it's pretty much a basic video editor now. It's done by Gnome, IIRC.
[23:55] <OvenWerks> Anyway, from my POV those changes are fine
[23:56] <OvenWerks> RE: most plugins... If we could not install the jack client variety I would be happy
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> So, even lsp-plugins since I made that submenu?
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> I'm not against it, by any means.
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> Rather, not against that proposal.


[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76228 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76228
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76230 in gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (universe) "no debug symbols for gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76230
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76231 in psicode (universe) "I installed psi3 then i launched from shell, after that I've got a core dumped" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76231
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76232 in Ubuntu "Printer no longer works after Suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76232
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76233 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "No 3D GL Acceleration (DRI) for ATI Radeon 7500x" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76233
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76234 in pulseaudio (universe) "permissions on native socket incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76234
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76235 in apport (main) "crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76235
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76236 in Ubuntu "[debian]  Please sync mbpeventd 0.9-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76236
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76238 in Ubuntu "Slow boot, stalls on "Starting Basic Networking"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76238
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76240 in Ubuntu "Boot Failure - Non-Existent MD Arrays Don't Assemble" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76240
[03:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76242 in kernel-image-2.6.7-amd64 (universe) "Kernel hangs repeatably with help from x11vnc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76242
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76243 in gcc-4.1 (main) "gcc crashes when compiling wine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76243
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76244 in docbook-website (universe) "Ubuntu website's main search does not include wiki" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76244
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76245 in gnome-power-manager (main) "Screen does not dim on low battery" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76245
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76246 in Ubuntu "Shut down error, restarts to useless black screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76246
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76248 in compiz (universe) "compiz-core (x server does not load before login)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76248
[06:32] <Cas> Hi, I have problems with apache on Feisty and wondered if somebody can help me setup a good bug report of this
[06:32] <Cas> Apache acts very weird and I have not really usefull information, my errorlog only shows line as: [notice]  child pid 8766 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
[06:33] <Burgundavia> interesting
[06:34] <Burgundavia> file a bug, indicate your version of apache and what modules you are running
[06:37] <Cas> Burgundavia: will do, hopefully the maintainers know a way how I can provide more information
[06:38] <Cas> All my pages are served white(empty), and php files are not served as text but gets downloaded (but also are empty)
[06:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76249 in cvs (main) "CVS Crash when using -r" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76249
[06:44] <ajmitch> probably the bug that's known about php 5.2
[06:44] <ajmitch> bug 74876
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74876 in php5 "Segmentation fault in PHP 5.2" [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74876
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76250 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "ieee softmac causing crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76250
[06:52] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: cd drive speed, what controls that?
[06:52] <ajmitch> no idea
[06:53] <Burgundavia> there is no reason for the drive to be spinning at more than 1x for a music cd
[06:53] <Burgundavia> all it does is waste battery
[06:55] <Cas> ajmitch: thanks that's the bug indeed
[06:56] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: file against the kernel? sound-juicer?
[06:59] <ajmitch> well I have no idea what you're doing, so I can't say
[06:59] <ajmitch> it may be a simple case of DMA disabled for the drive
[07:02] <Burgundavia> drop in a music play, watch sj launch, press play
[07:02] <Burgundavia> about half the time, the cd will spin up to 1x, the other half, to full speed
[07:03] <ajmitch> I don't often deal with cds
[07:03] <Burgundavia> you aren't much help ;)
[07:04] <ajmitch> once they're on the system, they get put on the shelf :)
[07:04] <ajmitch> I know :)
[07:04] <Burgundavia> no wonder so few file bugs
[07:05] <nixternal> lol
[07:05] <nixternal> that exchange at the end there between you two == classic
[07:09] <Cas> Burgundavia: what about a buffering? if you have a moving laptop it can be handy
[07:09] <Cas> Burgundavia: also I don't know if there is any rereading on bad segments on dirty cd's like cdparanoia does
[07:09] <Burgundavia> sure, but that can be done with 2x
[07:10] <Burgundavia> it is spinning the cd at full speed or somethign close to it
[07:10] <Burgundavia> as it is sitting on my lap, I tell the difference
[07:11] <Cas> you got a point
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76252 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.19 (restricted) "dvb-usb-wt220u-02.fw not available in restricted modules package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76252
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76253 in gaim (main) "Certain headers missing in gaim-dev? (eg. internal.h)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76253
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76255 in groff (main) "groff_mmse man page is in another language" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76255
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76259 in Ubuntu "Kernel panic when reading ramdisk from dirty ext3 file system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76259
[10:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76260 in xorg (main) "x11-common conflicts with xxkb, but xxkb depends on x11-common inderectly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76260
[10:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76261 in sound-juicer (main) "Crash on extract in the 2nd song" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76261
[11:07] <seb128> sfllaw: could you review bug #73115 ?
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73115 in control-center "theme manager crash on theme installation" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73115
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76263 in initramfs-tools (main) "no NFS mounts if root on NFS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76263
[11:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76262 in firefox (main) "firefix 2.0 slow redirect under ssl with gzip" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76262
[12:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76264 in libtelepathy (universe) "Missing include in tp-helpers.h" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76264
[12:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76265 in firefox (main) "Useless Yahoo Flickr crashes FF when exiting Flickr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76265
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76266 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager tray icon is blurred when panel is smaller than 26 pixels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76266
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76267 in mpfr (main) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76267
[12:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73447 in curl (main) "SRU Request to fix Curl Segfault" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73447
[12:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76269 in gnome-power-manager (main) "brightness and inhibit applet has huge icons in the about dialogs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76269
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76270 in banshee (universe) "Doesn't let me listen to the new Lugradio" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76270
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76271 in ksynaptics (universe) "Switching touchpad on doesn't un-grey configuration menu." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76271
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76272 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76272
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76274 in Ubuntu "Brightness Settings Don't Work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76274
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76275 in xine-lib (main) "New upstream release available (1.1.3)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76275
[01:58] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76276 in gdesklets (universe) "broken on feisty -- missing dependency (python-orbit)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76276
[02:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76277 in firefox (main) "crash when firefox should open www.blogger.com" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76277
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76278 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "fglrx 3d rendering fails after latest feisty upgrade - fallback to Mesa" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76278
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76279 in update-manager (main) "The "Proposed updates" checkbox must be changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76279
[03:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76282 in kdewebdev (main) "Quanta crashes when closed on Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76282
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76283 in nautilus (main) "duplicate entries for devices in nautilus desktop" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76283
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76284 in giftoxic (universe) "unexpected closing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76284
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76285 in xmms (main) "XMMS gets stuck in loop after using GUI for other simple tasks." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76285
[04:00] <bddebian> Boo
[04:01] <ogra> bee
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76286 in Ubuntu "Video settings get messed up after using GUI to disable power management." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76286
[04:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76287 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Oopses very late at shutdown sequece" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76287
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76288 in procps (main) "sysctl IPv6 forwarding example is incorrect" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76288
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76289 in control-center (main) "Keyboard shortcut setting from USB headphones problematic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76289
[04:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76290 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Crash while foreground application works." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76290
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76291 in Ubuntu "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76291
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76292 in Ubuntu "ubuntu-source 2.6.20 does not boot on 64-bit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76292
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76293 in lufs (universe) "[Merge]  lufs 0.9.7-8.1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76293
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69047 in ubiquity (main) "at installation kubuntu 6.10; aec62xx IDE chipset" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69047
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76294 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "atheros oops" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76294
[05:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69028 in ubiquity (main) "Install issue" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69028
[05:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69106 in ubiquity (main) "cant install ubuntu 6.10 " [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69106
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76296 in libapache-mod-security (main) "mod-security removed from Feisty?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76296
[05:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69210 in ubiquity (main) "Installing system freezen at 94%" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69210
[05:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69176 in ubiquity (main) "No notification in Ubiquity for bad sectors" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69176
[05:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69473 in ubiquity (main) "Not assigning a mountpoint not possible" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/69473
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76297 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "GLX broken" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76297
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76298 in gtkwave (universe) "Printing in a .ps file gives an empty file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76298
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76300 in gdebi (main) "gdebi doesn't grant administrative rights" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76300
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76301 in gnome-vfs2 (main) "patch from CVS to fix crash triggered when closing ekiga by example" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76301
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #1
[06:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[06:57] <Admiral_Chicago> i wonder if that points the the static page?
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76302 in firefox (main) "Crash while loading page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76302
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76303 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Error reinstalling linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76303
[07:13] <lakin> seb128: glad to see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/33998 <- this one finally fixed even if it wasn't me that coded it. :)
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33998 in nautilus "Trash can should provide easily reached button to empty trash" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[07:13] <seb128> lakin: yeah
[07:14] <lakin> Was my patch used at all or did someone else implement a better version?
[07:14] <lakin> btw, I'm finishing my revisions to my thesis ... I'm almost done .. Maybe I'll have more time for Ubuntu again soon.
[07:15] <lakin> Hrmm. Ubugtu grabbed the upstream status rather than the Ubuntu status from that bug report.
[07:15] <seb128> lakin: from the upstream mailing list discussion it looked like one of the gedit guys did send a similar patch because he didn't notice there was already one
[07:15] <seb128> alex pointed him to the previous patch
[07:15] <seb128> apparently they are quite similar
[07:16] <lakin> Cool.
[07:16] <lakin> It was always on my "todo" list .. but it never got high enough on the priority list.
[07:17] <seb128> ah, being busy, I know that too :p
[07:17] <lakin> heh
[07:17] <lakin> Yup.
[07:17] <lakin> Life's like that
[07:17] <_lemsx1_> Bug #76304 <--- submitted patch to fix this
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76304 in upstart "/etc/event.d/rcS does not set RUNLEVEL properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76304
[07:18] <seb128> _lemsx1_: good :)
[07:18] <_lemsx1_> seb128: no brainer ;-)
[07:19] <_lemsx1_> seb128: that bug affects Edgy, it would be wonderful if a new package was uploaded with this fix
[07:20] <seb128> _lemsx1_: let's wait for Scott to reply, he's maintaing upstart ;)
[07:20] <_lemsx1_> seb128: cool
[07:22] <hjmf> Hi all, noob here trying to get through this; I need some hints
[07:23] <hjmf> I'm triagging bug #75835 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/75835) and I've noticed there are some firefox bug reports with the same sympthoms
[07:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75835 in firefox "crash when saving .run file (shell script)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75835
[07:23] <hjmf> Seems that some people have firefox crashing when selecting 'save as' command in links pointing to large files.
[07:23] <hjmf> You can see more than a dozen at https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.searchtext=save+as&orderby=-datecreated
[07:24] <hjmf> Comparing some stacktraces from several attached crash reports (using apport-unpack) they look very similar (though I'm not a developer so I might be wrong).
[07:24] <seb128> time for a work break, bbl
[07:25] <hjmf> Should I mark those bug reports as duplicates and confirm them? What do you think? As I've said I'm noob and I need some advice
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76304 in upstart (main) "/etc/event.d/rcS does not set RUNLEVEL properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76304
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76306 in gnomebaker (universe) "No progress in progress bars" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76306
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76307 in alacarte (main) "Alacarte doesn't update its display when you check boxes or add applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76307
[07:42] <palski> hjmf: if you mark them as duplicates you should not mark them  as confirmed imho
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76308 in kdegraphics (main) "kpovmodeler doesn't work with pov-3.5-doc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76308
[07:48] <palski> hjmf: and when you marking bugs as duplicates please, explain why you are doing so people can reopen if they disagree
[07:50] <hjmf> palski: if there aren't any confirmed bug with that synthom
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76310 in Ubuntu "problem with sound at laptop Acer5101" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76310
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76311 in alsa-lib (main) "snd-cs46xx recording not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76311
[07:51] <hjmf> should I confirm one and then mark the others as duplicated?
[07:53] <palski> hjmf: ah, ok then you should confirm the bug that has best bug report and mark the rest as dupes
[07:56] <ivoks> hi
[07:56] <hjmf> palski:  thanks. I've submited this same question to the bugsquad mailing list before I've noticed your answer
[07:57] <hjmf> palski: I guess I have to be less impatient :)
[07:57] <palski> well, lets see what they will answer :)
[07:59] <palski> it is always good to hear opinions from other people too, especially because there are lot of people who now better than I :)
[08:00] <hjmf> palski: I've requested some feedback to the reporter of bug #75835, I'll wait a couple of days and If no objection at the mailing list I'll follow your advice; thanks
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75835 in firefox "crash when saving .run file (shell script)" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/75835
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76312 in doc-linux (main) "doc-linux-html includes files that automatically open pages online" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76312
[08:01] <palski> hjmf: sounds good
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76313 in doc-linux (main) "Distributions-HOWTO is generally broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76313
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76314 in doc-linux (main) "Some -HOWTOs installed on an en-gb system are not in English" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76314
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76316 in keytouch (universe) "Keytouch sometimes launches a "new install" of Epiphany" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76316
[08:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76315 in doc-linux (main) "Some -HOWTOs have been removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76315
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76318 in Ubuntu "Feisty Herd 1 live cd doesn't recognize iMac resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76318
[08:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76320 in doc-linux (main) "doc-linux-html is messy and inconsistent" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76320
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76321 in enemies-of-carlotta (universe) "improper shell quoting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76321
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76322 in launchpad-integration (main) "Should be possible to specify package in Launchpad advanced bug search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76322
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76324 in python-utmp (universe) "DEB Package contains only documentation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76324
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76326 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror should be able to parse .lnk files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76326
[09:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76327 in mesa (main) "Edgy's DRI performance halved" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76327
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76328 in Ubuntu "Network connection error after laptop suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76328
[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76329 in xserver-xgl (universe) "beryl-manager crashes.something wrong with xserver-xgl and direct rendering. ATI X700 Mobility (R420) AMD64 kernel 386" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76329
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76330 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Latest security update breaks nvidia kernel module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76330
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76331 in udev (main) "Mouse does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76331
[09:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76332 in trac (universe) "Trac 0.10.3-1 needed in edgy-backports" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76332
[09:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76333 in kile (universe) "No package for powerpc (and amd64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76333
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76334 in gnome-panel (main) "Some remote filesystems work from nautilus but not from gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76334
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76335 in ubiquity (main) "install kubuntu crashes at copying grub to hda" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76335
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76337 in wesnoth (universe) "how about a wesnoth-all metapackage?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76337
[10:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76338 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Linux Restricted modules 2.6.20-2 are incompatable with X4100 Mobility." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76338
[10:41] <Ubugtu> WARNING: No bugmail received in 30 minutes. Please poke Seveas.
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[06:09] <nsnzero> morning all
[06:18] <paddatrapper> morning nsnzero, everyone
[06:32] <chesedo> morning nsnzero paddatrapper and all others
[06:42] <nsnzero> Maaz tell Langjan  he should install system-config-samba which is a gui for samba sharing
[06:42] <Maaz> nsnzero: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[07:02] <paddatrapper> morning chesedo
[07:03] <chesedo> nsnzero: i've now also switched to zsh (and oh my zsh)... also found the helpful z plugin in the process
[07:04] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper chesedo
[07:09] <nsnzero> chesedo: zsh is a more productive shell especially with auto completion - imho that is
[07:10]  * paddatrapper is seriously tempted to switch to zsh
[07:11] <nsnzero> chesedo: i also have a very customised prompt - its 3 lines and uses powerline fonts which allow graphics in the terminal to abit
[07:11] <nsnzero> paddatrapper: you can try it out without losing bash
[07:13] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: I know. I've used it once or twice before. It's just the effort of reconrfiguring (i.e anything that requires me working on my pc at the moment) that is holding me back
[07:22] <nsnzero> paddatrapper: i know whats thats like . . . painful
[09:29] <Langjan> Hello all
[09:29] <Langjan> hi nsnzero
[09:59] <nsnzero> hi Langjan
[10:06] <Langjan> Did you rest well nsnzero?
[10:09] <Langjan> kilos sent message to install system-config-samba which I did but it does not launch or show up in any way I can see
[10:14] <nsnzero> Langjan: ok i also sent a similar message
[10:18] <Langjan> Ok nsnzero thks but now I'm like the dog who eventually caught the bus - what do I do with it?
[10:28] <jerit> sup everyone
[10:29] <jerit> guys, I'd like to spam my website if you don't mind... Have a look please -> http://www.loganyoung.co.za
[10:29] <jerit> thoughts and opinions welcome
[10:47] <MaNI> Google fonts is causing a noticeable slowdown on page load, try to defer it to after load. Your pngs are larger than they need to be, also causing a delay, make use of pngcrush. The PNGs with text in them would be better as SVGs. These generic scrolling pages that everyone is doing are a horrid cliche I hate them, but thats just my personal opinion on those, if it's what your customers are after I suppose it's necessary to have one of
[10:47] <MaNI> those to appeal to that crowd.
[10:52] <Langjan> Looks good jerit, eish! I re-did my site and moved my server to SA just the other day. See what your opposition are doing: https://frikkadel.co.za/
[10:52] <Langjan> Gotta go guys, chat later - have a good day.
[10:59] <nsnzero> my apologies Langjan , busy at work today - hopefully i will catchup with you later in the afternoon
[11:02] <nsnzero> jerit: its neat, elegant and  to the point ... good stuff
[11:04] <jerit> thanks nsnzero I'm very happy with it but now I'm trying to come up with a redesign for my mom's site
[11:04] <jerit> I don't wanna do the same design with different content though
[11:27] <chesedo> jerit: it is nicely done... for increased load time i would suggest the same as MaNI as well as looking into png sprites to lower request for the twitter and facebook logos, and bundling your css to also lower requests...
[11:29] <chesedo> visually, someting might be wrong with your navbar one your lighter pages (like about page) before the scroll swich turns in darker... and the card components might also look better with increased padding...
[11:31] <chesedo> other than that, i'm somewhat jealous of the visual quality and disappointed in seeing .NET words :P
[11:37] <jerit> card components? The rows of blocks?
[11:44] <nsnzero> jerit: i get an Awww Snap error on the contact us page - using qupzilla web browser
[11:44] <jerit> getting the same in chrome
[11:45] <jerit> its HTTP 500
[11:45] <jerit> should probably fix that priority
[12:08] <chesedo> jerit: yes the row with blocks (its css has something with card)
[12:08]  * chesedo is not familiar with material
[12:17] <jerit> I figured out that HTTP 500... I forgot to move an outdated reference on the page to a model which I'd removed... oops
[13:15]  * pavlushka ahoys ZA
[13:16] <pavlushka> Today is the first day of spring according to our Bengali Calendar, its charming \o/
[15:25] <chesedo> ahoy pavlushka
[15:26] <pavlushka> howdy chesedo ?
[15:26] <chesedo> great ty ?
[15:28] <pavlushka> chesedo: ?     ?
[15:48] <Kilos> hello everyone
[15:48] <Kilos> inetpro what is a genove in german
[15:48] <chesedo> hi oom Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> google calls it genove as well
[15:48] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[15:49] <chesedo> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[15:49] <Kilos> ek lewe dankie miskien nie soos toe ek bietjie jonger was nie maar ek gaan aan
[15:50] <Kilos> hoe gaan dinge daar by jou?
[15:53] <chesedo> goed dankie, bly om te hoor oom gaan aan
[16:31] <Kilos> dankie man
[16:33] <nsnzero> hi guys
[16:33] <nsnzero> anyone build apps from source ? i want to know how to make a deb file
[17:04]  * nlsthzn did it before... can't remember now but got instructions on web
[17:22] <Kilos> cOmpiling from source
[17:22] <Kilos> i remember seeing that somewhere
[17:23] <Kilos> or compiling .deb files from source
[17:28] <nsnzero> hi nlsthzn and Kilos
[17:29] <nlsthzn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/140998/compiling-source-into-a-deb-package
[17:29] <nlsthzn> the checkinstall command makes debs
[17:29] <nlsthzn> and hi :)
[17:29] <nsnzero> i got alot of stuff about building and installing but not just making into deb
[17:29] <nlsthzn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall
[17:30] <nsnzero> nlsthzn: i using that atm but it keeps installing the deb !!!
[17:31] <nsnzero> there should be a make-deb command
[17:32] <nlsthzn> have you tried sudo checkinstall --install=no
[17:32] <nlsthzn> ln -s make-deb sudo checkinstall --install=no :p
[17:33] <nlsthzn> well that wouldn't work :p
[17:40] <smile> nsnzero: https://github.com/Smile4ever/firefoxaddons/commit/afcf2351d31d70f0b267127512ccb2260cfdfcd0 :D
[17:40] <smile> Workaround for the Firefox bug :)
[17:40] <smile> and speak actions can now be 100 characters longer than in Translate Now 0.5.0
[17:41] <nsnzero> nlsthzn: its works - thanks
[17:41] <nlsthzn> nsnzero, \o/
[17:42] <nsnzero> bravo smile
[17:44] <smile> :DD
[17:45] <smile> I estimated the work at one hour, but it was less :)
[17:45] <smile> Good software design is key :)
[17:50] <nsnzero> true smile - i follow python's zen when i write code
[17:51] <smile> :)
[17:52] <smile> nsnzero: the best thing: if the bug gets fixed, I'll have even less work to restore to what it was :p
[17:52] <smile> just comment out some lines and delete the definition of the content script from my manifest :p
[17:55] <Langjan> Hello all, you ok Kilos? Thks for the message
[17:56] <Langjan> Hi nsnzero
[17:56] <nsnzero> good evening Langjan
[17:59] <Kilos> ok ty Langjan
[17:59] <Kilos> hows you
[17:59] <Kilos> what message
[18:00] <Langjan> Fine thks Kilos
[18:01] <Langjan> You sent a message via maaz for me to install Samba
[18:02] <Langjan> system-config-samba
[18:02] <Langjan> Its installed but does not launch and does not seem to do anything?
[18:03] <nsnzero> Langjan: i think that was me . not Kilos
[18:03] <Kilos> genove=crook
[18:03] <Kilos> not me im innocent
[18:04] <Langjan> Well then it must have been nsnzero because he said he had also sent that message but maaz said it was from Kilos ?
[18:04] <Langjan> Do bots also tell tales?
[18:06] <Langjan> Anyway its installed nsnzero, is there something else/more that I should know?
[18:06] <Kilos> maaz is drunk again
[18:07] <Langjan> ai!
[18:07] <nsnzero> Langjan: system-config-samba doesnt work anymore so you can remove it
[18:07] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:07] <Langjan> OK so thats why
[18:08] <Langjan> Thought I was dom
[18:08] <Langjan> lmga
[18:08] <nsnzero> the reason that nautilus/memo couldnt set share permission was because you need to run them as root
[18:09] <Langjan> oh, ok - can you give me some pointers on how to do that please?
[18:10] <nsnzero> gksudo nautilus / nemo -> set sharing folder
[18:12] <Langjan> and then the folder name?
[18:13] <nsnzero> yes - right click and set the sharing options
[18:16] <Langjan> right click where?
[18:18] <Langjan> Unhandled error message: Error when getting information for file '/home/jan/sharing': No such file or directory
[18:19] <nsnzero> the second hdd - hard drive you want to share
[18:23] <nsnzero> Langjan: since the HDD is auto-mounted it is owned by root - you will need to create a folder on it and allow read write access to anyone
[18:26] <Langjan> Ok nsnzero something happened, let me start up the other computer and see if it works
[18:27] <nsnzero> when you connect via samba it will ask for user name and password -> use the same username and password you use on the 1st computer
[18:29] <Langjan> Samba? You just said it does not work?
[18:30] <nsnzero> samba works - system-config-samba doesnt work
[18:31] <nsnzero> there are two different applications
[18:38] <Langjan> OK I have created a folder named TimeshiftJua in the drive and created share facility but it does not show up
[18:38] <Langjan> Am I supposed to be able to open something in Samba?
[18:39] <smile> samba sucks :|
[18:39] <smile> when is someone finally going to fix samba?
[18:39] <smile> :p
[18:39] <nsnzero> Langjan: how are the computer linked ?
[18:39] <Kilos> you know oom Langjan
[18:40] <Langjan> Via ethernet cable to the router
[18:40] <nsnzero> there are 2 ways i know of sharing in linux samba and nfs
[18:40] <Kilos> all of this would be so much easier if you made that second drive an external then you just plug it in on the pc you need info with
[18:41] <nsnzero> Langjan: is samba or nfs installed on both computers ?
[18:41] <Langjan> Samba is, dont know about nfs
[18:43] <nsnzero> if you type smbtree what do you see ?
[18:45] <Langjan> Sorry I tried to install samba in the other computer yesterday and it keeps showing "waiting to install"
[18:45] <Langjan> installing smbtree
[18:47] <nsnzero> Langjan: samba needs to be installed on both in order for the sharing to work
[18:48] <Langjan> nsnzero, Samba does not install on the other computer
[18:50] <nsnzero> well we found out why the sharing wasnt working Langjan
[18:51] <Langjan> Well I tried via command line and the output was "Samba is already the newest version"
[18:52] <Langjan> Now we know why it did not want to install but strange that it did not show already installed before
[18:54] <Langjan> but smbtree shows nothing on that computer
[18:54] <nsnzero> ok samba is installed on both machines
[18:54] <nsnzero> see if testparm reports any errors
[18:58] <Langjan> Both show, inter alia, WARNING: The "syslog" option is deprecated and WARNING: The 'netbios name' is too long (max. 15 chars).
[18:58] <Langjan> 	map to guest = Bad User
[19:02] <nsnzero> ok what is the WORKGROUP name for both ?
[19:04] <nsnzero> Langjan: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2158196
[19:13] <Langjan> I have sftp running and files shared, but the second drive does not show. My workgroup is jan@jan-ESPRIMO-E5731 and the other is jua@jua-System-Product-Name
[19:14] <Langjan> Kilos, I see nsnzero has left us, this is becoming a bit of a nightmare not worth pursuing
[19:16] <Langjan> Let me bid you good night, slaap lekker ou vriend.
[22:11] <smile> bye