[07:04] <[2] BoxingFiend> dump = determine if the filesystem needs to be dump, and pass = is used by fsck upon reboot time
[07:04] <benplaut> i thought CaptiveNTFS was stable by now (didn't cause corruption)?
[07:05] <mmc_> boxingfiend... ok, i have installed jazip
[07:05] <thoreauputic> benplaut: feel free to walk erudeye through setting up CaptiveNTFS ;-) I suggest not
[07:05] <crow> sup?
[07:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> be lazy like me and use smb to mount ntfs
[07:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc_: got it to work?
[07:06] <benplaut> thoreauputic: point taken :)
[07:06] <erudeye> :D
[07:06] <crow> anyone know if its possible to use other GUIs in ubuntu?
[07:06] <benplaut> i use all ext3 anyway, so...
[07:06] <shad0w> i cant get 3d accelleration to work.. i have an ATI Radeon 9200
[07:06] <erudeye> like kde :D
[07:06] <benplaut> crow: other Desktop Environments?
[07:06] <crow> ben: like fluxbox
[07:06] <shad0w> anyone know how to fix 3d accelleration ;o
[07:06] <seth_k> shad0w: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <shad0w> thanks
[07:07] <benplaut> crow: yup... just install using apt-get or synaptic, and then select session when you log in
[07:07] <benplaut> i use flux for games: )
[07:07] <mmc_> boxingfiend... well... not sure what to do now... i tried to run jazip from the command line and  it says can't read config file... permissions wrong maybe?
[07:07] <crow> ben: i love flux, its simple yet powerfull
[07:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> 1 sec let me install it and read the man page
[07:07] <mmc_> boxingfiend thx
[07:08] <benplaut> crow: too simple, IMO, but... to each his/her own :)
[07:08] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: sudo jazipconfig
[07:08] <crow> just installed ubuntu today, used several other distros but liking ubuntu so far
[07:08] <crow> ben: most other GUIs use too many system resources IMHO
[07:09] <SysFail> has anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????
[07:09] <[2] BoxingFiend> crow: flux rocks on system resources
[07:09] <digitalfox> flux is beautiful
[07:09] <emX> *box are cool WMs, but i'm most pleased with ion
[07:09] <digitalfox> ion?
[07:09] <digitalfox> is ion low resource?
[07:09] <emX> !info ion
[07:09] <nalioth> crow: i'm not sure if the fluxbox packager included a .desktop file
[07:09] <crow> havent heard of that one
[07:10] <digitalfox> nalioth, why would it? O.o
[07:10] <mmc_> boxingfiend... "no zip devices detected by system"  am i mising a driver for scsi or someting?
[07:10] <emX> ion's really low resource usage
[07:10] <mmc_> *something
[07:10] <emX> tiled window manager -- no overlapping windows.
[07:10] <nalioth> crow: if you dont see it in "sessions", you'll need to open a /usr/share/xsessions/ *.desktop file READONLY and use it as a template for the flux .desktop
[07:11] <digitalfox> you need to reboot gdm
[07:11] <thoreauputic> nalioth: there's a more serious issue with the hoary fluxbox which is only solved by compiling with --disable-xmb  (slow starts)
[07:11] <benplaut> crow: the minimum [on features]  i can handle is XFCE, but i abandoned it because the "start" button doesn't go all the way to the bottom-left corner :P
[07:11] <IcemanV9> emX: sounds like you needs a LARGE lcd to see all windows :P
[07:11] <digitalfox> to see the changes take effect
[07:11] <digitalfox> IcemanV9, that's what I was thinking :p
[07:11] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc_: i am assuming your parallel is detected under /dev/sda.. if so then add to /etc/fstab; /dev/sda /zip auto auto 0 0, where /zip is the local directory you want to mount to
[07:11] <crow> i havent installed it yet, was going to ask to see if it works, before i tried installed
[07:11] <digitalfox> I wonder how much memory that saves
[07:11] <emX> IcemanV9: :-)
[07:11] <mmc_> boxingfiend... thx.. i'll be back
[07:11] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:11] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont use flux, but i have seen several users in here with less-used DMs, not have an entry in the sessions menu for their new DM
[07:11] <emX> digitalfox: funs about as low as straight X
[07:12] <emX> *runs
[07:12] <crow> benplaut: yeah, i dont require eyecandy though, as long as the system works for me...
[07:12] <thoreauputic> nalioth: correct - enlightenment is an example I think
[07:12] <emX> IcemanV9: use it on my laptop, with 15" screen at 1024...works fine.
[07:12] <digitalfox> I've never run straight X, only twm
[07:13] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i dont remember how many, but i've done it on my system for more than one
[07:13] <IcemanV9> emX: 15" @ 1024?? you're kidding, right?? not 1600 or 1400?
[07:13] <Wckdkl0wn> anyone know?
[07:13] <benplaut> crow: i'm stuck with the GUI config tools of Gnome :)
[07:13] <thoreauputic> nalioth: yes, i've done the same
[07:13] <emX> IcemanV9: blame the i810 drivers (or IBM); that's all it can do.
[07:13] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:14] <IcemanV9> emX: aw, shucks! too bad, i am using 1400 w/ 15"
[07:14] <erudeye> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab
[07:14] <thoreauputic> nalioth: flux does include fluxbox.desktop in the ubuntu package though
[07:14] <emX> IcemanV9: that'd be nice...
[07:14] <digitalfox> uh, the i810 drivers work fine at higher than 1024x768
[07:14] <erudeye> but i still can't read it
[07:14] <digitalfox> pretty sure...
[07:14] <[2] BoxingFiend> change users to user
[07:14] <emX> digitalfox: not with my specific chip
[07:14] <erudeye> ok
[07:14] <nalioth> thoreauputic: tx 4 the info
[07:14] <emX> digitalfox: i spent a weekend fiddling with it...
[07:15] <thoreauputic> nalioth: the trouble with the ubuntu fluxbox is it floods the font server or something - which slows the startup alarmingly (like 30 seconds or more)
[07:15] <dbernar1> oh thats why...
[07:16] <nalioth> thoreauputic: will have to keep that in mind, will it be addressed in 5.10?
[07:16] <dbernar1> I guess not alarmingly for me...
[07:16] <erudeye> You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "data". <<<< :(
[07:16] <thoreauputic> the issue is fixed by compiling flux with --disable-xmb
[07:16] <dbernar1> or alarmingly enough, to point to the reason.
[07:16] <erudeye> i didn't got the ide
[07:16] <erudeye> a
[07:17] <[2] BoxingFiend> make sure you sudo umount /mnt/data, then mount again
[07:17] <erudeye> hmm
[07:17] <thoreauputic> nalioth: I emailed the maintainer, but got no reply
[07:17] <ecliptik> my wireless card is crashing out randomly, it works fine when I'm in the room with the router but when I move away from it some the activity light goes solid and my networking is dead, any ideas on what's going on with it?
[07:17] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:17] <ecliptik> it's a netgear wg511 v1 pcmcia card using prism2 drivers
[07:17] <erudeye> :((
[07:17] <erudeye> it can't
[07:17] <thoreauputic> erudeye: did you edit fstab?
[07:18] <erudeye> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    ro,users,umask  0       0 <<< this is on my fstab
[07:18] <thoreauputic> erudeye: wrong
[07:18] <erudeye> should i restart?
[07:18] <erudeye> what wrong?
[07:18] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda5       /mnt/data       ntfs    noauto,ro,users,umask=022  0 0
[07:19] <keikoz> what's the umask for, if you dont put a value ?
[07:19] <erudeye> ok let me try
[07:19] <holycow> anyone here run cinelerra by chance?
[07:19] <[2] BoxingFiend> i think it's user not users for the options flag, let me check the man page
[07:19] <thoreauputic> erudeye: if you fix it you will be able to mount with "mount /mnt/data" as a user
[07:19] <keikoz> yes it is user
[07:20] <erudeye> hmm
[07:20] <erudeye> k
[07:20] <thoreauputic> [2] BoxingFiend: they do different things
[07:20] <keikoz> but i dont see what putting it for
[07:20] <keikoz> put umask=0222 that's enough
[07:20] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply could not create direct show player    i get this error in firefox.. what do i have to isntall to fix it?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> users allows any user to umount
[07:20] <thoreauputic> user only the one who mounted it
[07:20] <keikoz> and the ro is not useful; you can't anyway write on it
[07:21] <yahalom> anyone using the StarterBar desklet?
[07:21] <thoreauputic> keikoz: it does no harm :)
[07:21] <keikoz> no that's sure
[07:21] <thoreauputic> keikoz: let's just get it working for him, OK?
[07:21] <keikoz> i just like making it simple, when it is possible
[07:21] <mmc_> boxingfiend... back... no go yet... /dev/sda not appearing
[07:22] <keikoz> rhaaaa he was asking, i explained him
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the gnome-system-tools version from breezy doesn't appear to work properly with sudo. It asks for my root password when i start time-admin, network-admin, shares-admin etc. and refuses to accept the password of my current user. if i remove the breey version and re-install the hoary version it uses gksdo i believe
[07:23] <imaek> How do I tell what is using alsa? It is lsof something
[07:23] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see which drive is detected
[07:23] <thoreauputic> keikoz: well, we've been helping him, and there's no point in prolonging the agony with unecessary corrections :)
[07:23] <SysFail> has anybody gotten mp3 to audio cd burning to work????
[07:23] <yahalom> anyone?
[07:23] <dabaR> where is w32codecs? ubotu does not kno...
[07:23] <La_PaRCa> can i just add a resolution to my xorg.conf if its not there?
[07:23] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, even after using sudo with another application, it continued to ask me for my root password when i should have 15 minutes of access.
[07:24] <[2] BoxingFiend> !restricted
[07:24] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <thoreauputic> dabaR: ^^^
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, there is another a fix, make certain you get the latest one
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, are you seeing this issue in breezy>
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but it has been fixed
[07:24] <mmc_> boxingfiend "AttachedDevices: "
[07:24] <mmc_> boxingfiend.. nothing showing
[07:24] <dabaR> La_PaRCa: ya, you prolly could. or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it must have been fixed very recently because i just downloaded the source package off packages.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <La_PaRCa> dabaR, its not for me, its for a newbie, so I need to do it the easy way for me
[07:24] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, run breezy or run hoary, mixing is total crack
[07:24] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, does ubuntu have something like qa.debian.org that is more up to date?
[07:25] <mmc_> i feel like i must be missing scsi support in the kernel??? ya think?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, what does qa.debian.org?
[07:25] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i just wanted to see if gnome-system-tools had boot-admin
[07:25] <[2] BoxingFiend> mmc: it's there, forgot the module name for insmod
[07:25] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it does, trust me
[07:25] <jasoncohen> i don't need the instability of breezy for that
[07:25] <thoreauputic> erudeye: please keep your questions in channel and ask before /msg ing or dcc chatting
[07:26] <dabaR> thoreauputic, [2] BoxingFiend: in fact, it is not there any more.
[07:26] <dabaR> Is it in backports, or marillat, what was it?
[07:26] <keikoz> thoreauputic
[07:26] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, package tracking system with up to date info + changelog info + bug info - see http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dabaR: it's in backports I think
[07:26] <keikoz> that's a bill gates -style opinion :p
[07:26] <erudeye> :D
[07:26] <erudeye> ok
[07:26] <dabaR> i should just go see.
[07:26] <erudeye> but i'm confuse
[07:27] <thoreauputic> keikoz: chill
[07:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, that is nifty. I believe launchpad will have something similar
[07:27] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, debian has a much better infrastructure for handling bugs (reportbug provides useful info that isn't available through bugzilla)
[07:27] <thoreauputic> keikoz: thanks for the gratuitous insult
[07:27] <keikoz> rhoooo
[07:27] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/gepolabo/
[07:27] <keikoz> was joking xD
[07:28] <mmc_> <scrathing head>
[07:28] <thoreauputic> keikoz: since you feel like hijacking the process, feel free to help erudeye and I'll disappear happily
[07:28] <dabaR> bah, I really did not have them installed.
[07:28] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, that's for stock quotes, isn't it?
[07:28] <keikoz> no, i go to sleep
[07:28] <dabaR> I am not using my ubuntu, it seems.
[07:28] <[2] BoxingFiend> is scsi support, scsi disk support, and iomega parallel port zip drive scsi support compile by the default kernel?
[07:28] <dabaR> ok, I go to something else.
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, qa.debian.org is updated live i believe. packages.debian.org/packages.ubuntu.com get updated once a day at most or less
[07:29] <iceman> Anyone using 64 bit ubuntu ...
[07:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, qa.debian.org is done based on source packages. it's more a tool for develoeprs
[07:29] <jasoncohen> *developers
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, launchpad is also sources packages
[07:30] <Burgundavia> it is very much a tool for developers
[07:30] <erudeye> OK i got it, thanx guys
[07:30] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot.
[07:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, btw, do you have firefox 1.0.5 in breezy? it went into sid on 7/16
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, not currently
[07:30] <keikoz> thoreauputic i'm sorry, didnt want to hurt you
[07:30] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, Ubuntu just passed the Upstream Version Freeze
[07:30] <keikoz> and i dont search pbls ... ^^
[07:31] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ...already?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> it did
[07:31] <iceman> I'm looking at a upgrade ... to 64 bit AMD based System ... need advice ..
[07:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyReleaseSchedule
[07:32] <ColonelKernel> still getting very slow dns resolution
[07:32] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so breezy may actually be decently stable in a few weeks?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, notice any similarities? --> http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven
[07:32] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, might
[07:33] <Burgundavia> gnome 2.12 is still coming
[07:33] <Burgundavia> and the X stuff isn't finished yet
[07:33] <holycow> by the way, if anyone is interested, the cinelerra rpms from http://heroinewarrior.com/download.php3 convert fine with alien and install cleanly it seems
[07:33] <holycow> neat
[07:33] <bluefoxicy> oh my GOD
[07:34] <bluefoxicy> http://opensource.com/
[07:34] <bluefoxicy> evil.
[07:34] <jsgotangco> JaneW, hi
[07:34] <highvoltage> JaneW: I second that :)
[07:34] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[07:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, well, the ubuntu release schedule will have to be flagrantly ignored to get 2.12 in
[07:34] <holycow> bluefoxicy, they write quite a lot of open source and support quite a bit of open source development
[07:34] <holycow> i
[07:35] <holycow> i'm happy they are making money frankly
[07:35] <Orborde> I'm assigning it with "ifconfig -a eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>", and it works until I reboot.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, most of the features are already there
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, for gnome 2.12
[07:35] <highvoltage> bluefoxicy: that is evil.
[07:35] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and that is one thing that does ignore the feature freeze, due to how closely Ubuntu works with gnome
[07:36] <jasoncohen> so, after august 11th, there will be no more updates for most everything else?
[07:36] <jasoncohen> since that's the featurefreeze date
[07:36] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, only stablization stuff
[07:37] <mjkelly93> anybody know what command or program is used to configure the "ati" module for ati cards?    Im looking for a program similar to fglrxconfig, except for the ati module?
[07:38] <jasoncohen> i still don't understand ubuntu's policy on firefox. i get the theoretical argument for not having packages change versions due to potential library changes and thus breakage in other apps, but that need not happen with firefox AND more importantly the ubuntu security team doesn't seem to be able to keep up with firefox updates- especially on warty
[07:38] <JaneW> morning :)
[07:38] <Madpilot> does "Upstream Freeze" for Breezy mean that the latest version of Screem (among others) won't be in Breezy?
[07:38] <jasoncohen> it took quite a while to get al of 1.0.4's fixes backported (over 2 weeks) and there's been nothing for warty and it's been nearly 2 months!
[07:39] <QaDeS> anyone can help me setting up my wpa encrypted wlan?
[07:39] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, how do you feel about ubuntu's policy on upgrading packages- in particular firefox
[07:39] <[2] BoxingFiend> Ordorde: /etc/network/interfaces for default values
[07:39] <Andrewcool> Hello
[07:40] <Andrewcool> anybody there?
[07:40] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, you'll want to use wpasupplicant. i can show you my config file. I use WPA-PSK. there are also examples installed.
[07:40] <Madpilot> Andrewcool: only 405 of us... :)
[07:40] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, same as debians
[07:40] <QaDeS> ok :)
[07:40] <Andrewcool> :D well umm 403 can be asleep :D
[07:41] <jordan> hi
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, true- but debian doesn't cater to desktop users
[07:41] <jordan> hi
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, they also don't care as much about ease of use
[07:41] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, as long as the security fixes get in, I am fine
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Well umm i have a question about Ubuntu
[07:41] <jordan> HI
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Hello..
[07:41] <Burgundavia> Andrewcool, don't ask to ask, just ask
[07:41] <Andrewcool> Will can Ubuntu do duel like xp and Ubuntu
[07:41] <jordan> :)
[07:41] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, well, they don't in a timely fashion. 2 weeks is a long time for hoary and it's been 2 months and there's no updates for warty. hoary's mozilla never was patched
[07:41] <jordan> bye
[07:42] <Madpilot> !dualboot
[07:42] <ubotu> dualboot is probably http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38398 or ask me about <grub>
[07:42] <Madpilot> !grub
[07:42] <ubotu> grub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[07:42] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and the breakage of mozilla's extension site was unfortunate- and not mozilla's fault
[07:42] <Andrewcool> ok thanks
[07:42] <Madpilot> Andrewcool: you should look at the 'grub' link that was just posted
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes it was actually, if you read the bug
[07:43] <jasoncohen> they make a valid argument that by distributing firefox in the way that debian, ubuntu and other distros distribute it, you're not getting an official mozilla package and when things break they get the complaints- like the inability to use extensions. in order for them to have safely allowed ubuntu users, they would have had to look at the full version tag of firefox- and do the same for all distros
[07:44] <jasoncohen> and at the time they merely wanted to block access to old firefox versions which was more important than catering to all the distros
[07:44] <SysFail> would be nice if konqueror worked without crashing...wouldnt need firefox :)
[07:44] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the reason mozilla had to break u.m.o is because they cannot tell if a version is patched except through the vendorstring
[07:44] <jasoncohen> for me the issue is that it's unacceptable that mozilla-browser still hiasn't been patched and that warty's firefox and mozilla haven't been patched
[07:45] <QaDeS> jasoncohen, i instaled wpasupplicant now
[07:45] <andrewcool_away> Is there a easyier way to do duel install.. :D
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i thought they could
[07:45] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, nope
[07:45] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, so, are they doing anything to change that?
[07:45] <Madpilot> duel install? is that where the two OSes fight with each other?
[07:46] <andrewcool> umm *confushed*
[07:46] <hondje> they take 10 inodes and fire
[07:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, since firefox is perhaps the #1 used app in ubuntu and mozilla-browser is in main, ubuntu should either have timely security updates or it should release the newest version available
[07:46] <Madpilot> it's spelled "dual", andrewcool... and those URLs are the standard resources
[07:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, security patching is not easy
[07:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, it's not as big as an issue on debian because if you are running etch, you can easily install the latest version from sid and sarge users tend not to be desktop users- at least that i have seen
[07:47] <Burgundavia> they always need more people to help
[07:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i know it isn't. that's why i don't think this particular app should be patched
[07:47] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply error occurs in firefox how would i fix it... i did google for it but keeps coming up as a problem for windows
[07:47] <Madpilot> gah... someone pls remind me what I enter to figure out my kernal version?
[07:47] <Gatton> uname -a
[07:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I happen to agree with you, but convince the powers that be
[07:48] <jasoncohen> heh, that will be hard
[07:48] <Madpilot> Gatton: thnx...
[07:48] <holycow> http://cvs.cinelerra.org/packages.html#apt-x86  <-- cinelerra via apt
[07:48] <holycow> neato
[07:48] <Gatton> Madpilot np. Finally an easy question I can answer ;)
[07:48] <Madpilot> Gatton: start small and work up! ;)
[07:48] <iceman> Anyone using 64 bit ...
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: me
[07:49] <iceman> swarm what processor
[07:49] <Wckdkl0wn> anyone?
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: mobile amd64
[07:49] <iceman> swarm what speed ..
[07:49] <swarm> iceman: fast
[07:49] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, remember when you were telling me that the documentation has to be easy to use for grandmothers? Well, a newbie expects to have the latest version of firefox. they don't understand the concept of backporting security fixes. When things break, regardless of who's fault it is, the users pay. Debian users wont' mind changing a string in about:config but many new Ubuntu users would mind. It's just easier and more secur
[07:49] <jasoncohen> e for the users to have timely and official updated firefox packages
[07:50] <swarm> iceman: which is your problem?
[07:50] <jasoncohen> i'm glad you agree though. i just don't understand why the ubuntu developers are so opposed to the position that seems to have a lot of support
[07:50] <iceman> swarm: i'm looking to move from a p4 2.8 to a AMD 64 3000... want to know whats out htere for 64 bit ..
[07:52] <bojangles> man that is hard to believe that India is pirating windows at 80%...I always thought they were the most honest people and that they would each pay $20,000 for a basic version of MS enterprise
[07:52] <swarm> iceman: there is good support but not perfect. Depends on what you need. Ubuntu works fine for what I need. Of course wine still doesn't work. Check even debian-amd64.
[07:52] <robotgeek> bojangles: lol
[07:52] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i personally just installed the official firefox build. Unfortunately that solution isn't as nice for upgrades, is more difficult for new users, and requires manual linking to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[07:52] <iceman> What software is out supporting 64 bit ..
[07:52] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[07:52] <andrewcool>  i have a amd 64 anthlon but do i get the intel or amd64 install cd
[07:53] <Burgundavia> iceman, almost everything in the ubuntu repos can run on amd64
[07:53] <HrdwrBoB> andrewcool: you can get either
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> andrewcool,  if you want the 64bit disrto get the amd64
[07:53] <andrewcool> which one is better :D...
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> however going '64 bit' can have some annoying issues.
[07:53] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, doesn't everything in main have to be supported on all 3 archs?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> so i stick to the 32 bit for the time being.
[07:53] <iceman> What issues...
[07:53] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[07:53] <bojangles> robotgeek, what is so funny...the prices escalate far beyond that per person for a basic enterprise system plus a few enhancements
[07:53] <swarm> andrewcool: if you want most stable thing use intel install. if you want most performance but a few things not working use amd64 install as I'm doing.
[07:54] <robotgeek> bojangles: how did u arrive at the 80% figure?
[07:54] <andrewcool> ok thanks
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> flash,  some other web things..   cedega/wine quirks..
[07:54] <bojangles> robotgeek, that is what this dude said earlier in here.
[07:54] <robotgeek> bojangles: sorry, just came in :). I think the figure would be much higher, though
[07:54] <jasoncohen> swarm, there are packages missing from amd64 like mplayer
[07:54] <iceman> I know my p4 lacks hyperthreading... so i gain hyper transport in the move ...
[07:55] <bojangles> robotgeek, well i can't understand why they don't each pay the $20,000 to get started and be honest.
[07:55] <swarm> jasoncohen:  yes indeed
[07:55] <jasoncohen> swarm, anything in main will be on amd64 but bets are off for univese and multiverse. most apps are built for amd64 but not all. it depends on what *you* need
[07:55] <robotgeek> bojangles: i think it's difficult if that represents your life savings!
[07:55] <swarm> jasoncohen:  that's what I have tried to say. even debian amd64 misses some hundred packages over almost 6000.
[07:55] <Wckdkl0wn> npdsply error occurs in firefox how would i fix it... i did google for it but keeps coming up as a problem for windows
[07:55] <jasoncohen> swarm, it can't be 6,000. i thought they had 98-99% of packages
[07:56] <kidaa> it's a long shot but does anybody here have any experience using ubuntu in a medical practice at either user or support?
[07:56] <bojangles> robotgeek, that is no excuse...they know that MS is on the side of "intellectual robbery....i mean property"
[07:56] <iceman> and the move will cost me less that 200.oo for the motherboard, processor, and case ...
[07:56] <swarm> jasoncohen: no, I mean 98% of about 6000.
[07:56] <jasoncohen> well, debian doesn't even have an OO version for amd64. hoary just has a 32 bit version for amd64 because it won't compile clean for a 64 bit processor
[07:56] <jasoncohen> swarm, you mean 16,000
[07:56] <jasoncohen> debian sarge has approximately 15,250 packages
[07:57] <jasoncohen> sid has in the mid 16,000s
[07:57] <iceman> Need to find informatin on the IBM AS/400 Servers ... know where there is one i might get cheap ..
[07:57] <bojangles> jasoncohen, yes sarge has quite a bit...but not everything works
[07:57] <swarm> jasoncohen: perhaps I have missed first number :D
[07:57] <andrewcool> ok when i install this..well it detect xp and partion the harddrive?
[07:58] <cafuego> !dstats hoary
[07:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, the debian maintainers are damn good. everything in "main" on sarge should work as it's been thouroughly tested, and remember- main on debian probably includes 13-14,000 packages. it encompasses all free software, unlike ubuntu
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> I find it much safer to install linux onto its own Hard drive.
[07:58] <[2] BoxingFiend> kidaa: hard question to answer, linux is so versatile, from a firewall, LAMP, desktop replacement... I personally don't know of linux distro in the medical field, but my wife uses linux on her laptop and she's in the medical field
[07:58] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well most of the stuff works...but there is a lot more than just main
[07:58] <supernix> Uptime: 4 days, 10 hours and 7 minutes
[07:58] <cafuego> Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15660 packages, 1468 maintainers, 28183 MB installed size
[07:58] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, that is fud. Ubuntu has everything in Debian and more
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, no- you don't understand
[07:58] <Centaur5> So if a program won't work on the amd64 the package manager won't list it?
[07:58] <jasoncohen> bojangles, main on debian is NOT LIKE MAIN ON UBUNTU
[07:59] <cafuego> And those are the ACTUAL number, as opposed to made-up ones.
[07:59] <jasoncohen> main on ubuntu contains 2 or 3,000 packages
[07:59] <Amaranth> cafuego: Most of ubuntu's 'maintainers' showing up there are actuall debian folks
[07:59] <jasoncohen> main on debian includes 90-95% of packages
[07:59] <glick> damnit where are the decent games?
[07:59] <robotgeek> so, now we have FUD in debian vs ubuntu!
[07:59] <jasoncohen> so 14,000+
[07:59] <robotgeek> glick: tuxracer!
[07:59] <glick> arnt there any decent and fun games for linux i can get into?
[07:59] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well i see thousands of packages at the sunsite repository and there is a lot more than just main
[07:59] <cafuego> Amaranth: yes, but they're still package maintainers ;-)
[07:59] <iceman> glick america's army for linux ...
[07:59] <glick> robotgeek, tuxracer is fun for about 2 mintures
[07:59] <jasoncohen> bojangles, you can't blame debian for broken UNOFFICIAL packages
[07:59] <Amaranth> !dstats breezy
[07:59] <glick> iceman, i dont have a fantastic video card
[07:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on breezy... 16845 packages, 1567 maintainers, 31667 MB installed size, 10018 MB compressed size.
[08:00] <Madpilot> glick: Scorched3d. it's in the repos
[08:00] <holycow> glick, heh
[08:00] <robotgeek> glick: :), chess, blackjack!
[08:00] <Amaranth> yay, lots bigger
[08:00] <bojangles> jasoncohen, well what is the official apt sources.
[08:00] <iceman> glick what video ... you got
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> glick,  hundreds of them  :P   - but I tend to like Emulators/Old-Skool
[08:00] <glick> laptop nvidia4
[08:00] <bojangles> jasoncohen, because i had to look around and find several universities and also sunsite
[08:00] <glick> MX
[08:00] <iceman> nvidia.. what memory
[08:00] <Burgundavia> glick, look for something called glest
[08:00] <glick> 32megs
[08:00] <ian_> glick: get snes9x
[08:00] <glick> glest?
[08:00] <Amaranth> geforce4MX was always 32MB, iirc
[08:00] <glick> ian_, heh i have tha
[08:00] <glick> tat
[08:00] <glick> that
[08:00] <iceman> glick dang 64 bit and you could play aao
[08:01] <ian_> glick: what kind of games do you want?
[08:01] <glick> whats aao?
[08:01] <iceman> try wolfenstein enemy terratory ...
[08:01] <glick> ian_, like a game i can get into
[08:01] <jasoncohen> bojangles, check out packages.debian.org. nearly everything is in main. contrib and non-free only have packages that can't be included in main for licensing reasons. everything in main gets full security support and is thoroughly tested. they're not handpicked packages like in ubuntu main. it includes everything- which is why debian takes forever to release. they are testing 10s of thousands of packages on 11 architectures and
[08:01] <jasoncohen> have very high stability standards
[08:01] <glick> i like management sims
[08:01] <Centaur5> what's the coolest game you could put on an ati 9700 128 meg video card?
[08:01] <glick> trade sims
[08:01] <iceman> glick america's army online ... aao
[08:01] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: freeciv
[08:01] <glick> iceman, ah
[08:01] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, freeciv would be fine except....i have played sid miers civ so i cant possibly go back to anything less
[08:02] <[2] BoxingFiend> centaur5: neverwinter runs smooth on that
[08:02] <iceman> check on enemy terratory ... might be playable ... and it full install and free ..
[08:02] <jasoncohen> bojangles, packages.debian.org lists all packages in debian- search sarge
[08:02] <cafuego> Centaur5: Transport Tycoon Deluxe. Mind you, that would also run fine on a 256MB vga card
[08:02] <jasoncohen> all official packages that is
[08:02] <cafuego> 256Kb even
[08:02] <[2] BoxingFiend> centaur5: doom3 runs well on 128 megs
[08:02] <Centaur5> doom3 runs on linux?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> if you can see in the dark... doom3 is fun. :P
[08:02] <glick> what linux games do you play?
[08:02] <robotgeek> i have a old machine, so i'm better off playing chess/blackjack
[08:03] <jasoncohen> Centaur5, a ati 9700 pro is a damn good card...the drivers on the other hand aren't so good but you should be able to play most any game.
[08:03] <[2] BoxingFiend> there is a wine config for it somewhere
[08:03] <Madpilot> gnomeMines.
[08:03] <phaedrus_> wuts a good place for mp3 torrents?
[08:03] <QaDeS> jasoncohen, i creates a config via wpa_passprase, but starting wpy_supplicant yields "ioctl[IPW_IOCTL_WPA_SUPPLICANT] : Operation not supported"
[08:03] <Centaur5> jasoncohen: Well that is the video card my laptop has, so it's actually a 9700 mobile if that makes a difference
[08:03] <Burgundavia> phaedrus_, not in #ubuntu
[08:03] <phaedrus_> : 00
[08:03] <robotgeek> phaedrus_: not here!
[08:03] <phaedrus_> : )
[08:03] <jasoncohen> Centaur5, sure does
[08:03] <cafuego> jasoncohen: All those packages are also in ubuntu, they're just not in main becasue 1) Downloadign a 2MB package list takes forever on dialup and 2) Most of those packages are not used. (See popularity-contest).
[08:03] <jasoncohen> ati 9700 pro was top of the line when it came out. it was a very good card
[08:04] <robotgeek> !ops
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[08:04] <phaedrus_> im not on my ubuntu box right now..i have this channel programmed for startup
[08:04] <phaedrus_> lol
[08:04] <Amaranth> hi
[08:04] <jasoncohen> cafuego, i know the reasoning behind ubuntu's main
[08:04] <robotgeek> hi
[08:04] <Centaur5> So I assume that most of these games you guys are talking about requires wine?
[08:04] <Amaranth> phaedrus_: Please don't discuss illegal activities in this channel.
[08:04] <phaedrus_> no prob
[08:05] <Amaranth> :D
[08:05] <[2] BoxingFiend> neverwinter and aa is about the only 2 linux ported games i know
[08:05] <jasoncohen> cafuego, but you missed a few important reasons- a) ubuntu has 50 or so developers whereas debian has about 1400 maintainers, b) canonnical provides support and can't support 15,000 packages
[08:05] <phaedrus_> i just downoad backups because my cd ripping doesnt werk...
[08:05] <phaedrus_> peace
[08:05] <Swedish_Chef> does ubuntu have the option of installing a barebones system, a la a new install of debian?
[08:05] <jasoncohen> and not all of those packages are so uncommon. main doesn't even have midnight commander/mcedit
[08:05] <Burgundavia> Swedish_Chef, install the server option
[08:05] <glick> why is the army releasing first person shooter games?
[08:05] <phaedrus_> well...try server install at install boot
[08:05] <Burgundavia> glick, marketing
[08:06] <Amaranth> Swedish_Chef: Yep, boot the installer with the 'server' option.
[08:06] <crow> does ubuntu have a fluxbux package?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> crow, yes
[08:06] <robotgeek> crow: fluxbox
[08:06] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick:  recruitment campaign
[08:06] <Madpilot> !info fluxbox
[08:06] <ubotu> fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 626 kB, Installed size: 1988 kB
[08:06] <jasoncohen> you also need universe for many important apps for a server - spamassassin, many php4 modules, openvpn etc.
[08:06] <glick> so you can be like wow! i wanna get my head blown off in real life just like i did in the game!
[08:06] <phaedrus_> army has had first person shooter games for years...trained on them when i was in the marine corp
[08:06] <crow> apt-get install fluxbox says package not found
[08:06] <robotgeek> whoa..ubotu is nice!
[08:06] <Amaranth> phaedrus_: Sure, but now they use 3rd party games. :)
[08:07] <robotgeek> !repositories
[08:07] <ubotu> repositories is, like, at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> crow: you need to add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:07] <cafuego> jasoncohen: To be honest, people who need a stable production server won't be running ubuntu on it.
[08:07] <phaedrus_> : )
[08:07] <Swedish_Chef> does the server option install anything on top of the base distro?
[08:07] <crow> thanks
[08:07] <jasoncohen> cafuego, ubuntu is a highly polished desktop system but it's lacking on the server side since many server apps don't get security updates (they're in universe)
[08:07] <Amaranth> like America's Army
[08:07] <Madpilot> robotgeek: ubotu is a real robot geek... ;)
[08:07] <jasoncohen> cafuego, heh...a lot of people run servers on fc3
[08:07] <robotgeek> Madpilot: they took our joooob :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: They're nuts. :P
[08:07] <jasoncohen> Swedish_Chef, it just installs ubuntu-base which is very slim indeed
[08:07] <jasoncohen> Amaranth, wikipedia runs nearly all their servers on fc3
[08:07] <kidaa> i please get the command to list all partitions / harddrives detected by ubuntu (again)
[08:07] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Yes, but they also paid for a RCSE.
[08:07] <jasoncohen> kidaa, fdisk -l
[08:08] <Amaranth> jasoncohen: Yeah, and they use gcj and mono too, they _are_ nuts.
[08:08] <cafuego> jasoncohen: SO i think we can discount their opinion outright.
[08:08] <Madpilot> gcj?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> heh, i would use debian
[08:08] <cafuego> !info gcj
[08:08] <ubotu> gcj: (The GNU Java compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[08:08] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Indeed.
[08:08] <graue> hey, I have a partly used CD-RW disc that I want to add more stuff to, how do I do that in Ubuntu?
[08:08] <jasoncohen> though i  get kernel page faults in 2.6.8
[08:08] <Swedish_Chef> why would anyone want to run a real server on fedora? the 6 month release cycle and lack of support, plus the fact that you're supposed to do a clean install makes servers a nightmare...
[08:08] <robotgeek> people like me have to use gcj (ppc)
[08:08] <jasoncohen> could be related to my ivtv card (mythtv system)
[08:09] <cafuego> robotgeek: There's an IBM jdk.
[08:09] <Amaranth> robotgeek: Sure, but you're not running a site like wikipedia. :)
[08:09] <robotgeek> robotgeek: i know, but firefox keeps crashing
[08:09] <Amaranth> They switch back and forth between using Java Lucene and Lucene-Sharp for searches, appearently.
[08:09] <cat> try reporting a bug, or see what's making firefox to crash
[08:09] <robotgeek> no java for me, me happy without it!
[08:10] <jasoncohen> cafuego, i tried 2.6.11 from etch but it wouldn't compile ivtv. that driver is so finicky...you need the right firmware/driver/kernel combo to get it to compile, heh
[08:10] <robotgeek> cat: yeah...will do
[08:10] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, talking to yourself now?
[08:10] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i am not real, am i?
[08:11] <cafuego> robotgeek: You won't be using java in firefox if you're not on i386.
[08:11] <Velcan> anyone around that can tell me how to save the output of zenity to a var?
[08:11] <cafuego> robotgeek: botsnack
[08:11] <robotgeek> cafuego: and why is that??
[08:11] <cat> Velcan: man bash
[08:11] <jasoncohen> cafuego, anyways, ubuntu mentioned something about a corporate/server release with a 12-24 month release cycle
[08:12] <jasoncohen> "Ubuntu will make a new release every six months. In addition, we may make an Enterprise Release every 12 to 24 months, which will receive additional testing."
[08:12] <cafuego> robotgeek: Coz java on non-i386 Linux is crap at the best of times.
[08:12] <Velcan> oh didnt think i would find it in there. thanks
[08:12] <jasoncohen> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[08:12] <jasoncohen> does ubuntu have the resources to maintain a desktop distro + a server distro?
[08:12] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Yes. I expect that will have a limited set of packages and optional payware support.
[08:12] <cat> jasoncohen: www.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <robotgeek> cafuego: true, it was all right on OS X, linux, esp ppc has been nothing short of a nightmare!
[08:13] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[08:13] <jasoncohen> cat, huh? i obviously know ubuntu's site. i just pasted a link
[08:13] <cafuego> robotgeek: it's fine once you decide flash and java are both crufty distractions.
[08:13] <jasoncohen> cafuego, a limited set of packages? the problem currently is that the set of packges in main is TOO limited for a server
[08:13] <robotgeek> cafuego: :), it works well for me! not having java and flash!
[08:14] <cafuego> jasoncohen: Nobody said they would be using the *same* main (or not include universe/multiverse by default)
[08:14] <ugo> huh? i have an amd64....java64 works quite well thank you
[08:14] <ugo> how do you mean?
[08:14] <cafuego> ugo: In mozilla? As plugin?
[08:14] <jasoncohen> cafuego, "Yes. I expect that will have a limited set of packages and optional payware support.
[08:14] <robotgeek> damn firefox crashed again (no script extension)
[08:14] <jasoncohen> isn't that the same as ubuntu now?
[08:15] <cafuego> jasoncohen: "I expect" - note I am guessing.
[08:15] <ugo> cafeugo: oh that...i never set it up....are there issues?
[08:15] <cafuego> ugo: Yeah, there is no plugin. Hence my remark.
[08:15] <jasoncohen> main is limited to the packages ubuntu wants to support. universe is just taken from debian
[08:15] <Velcan> cat:  looking at man bash - do you know how? I'm wondering if im on the right track by thinking maybe i need to turn my zenity command into a function?
[08:15] <cafuego> jasoncohen: support != enterprise support
[08:15] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, it seems to take a while- took over 2 weeks last time. i just installed the official mozilla build
[08:15] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, have you seen the announcment of the ubuntu foundation?'
[08:16] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the 10M donation to create a new foundation.
[08:16] <jasoncohen> i heard about it- don't know the details
[08:16] <steve_> what is a multiverse
[08:16] <cafuego> steve_: a possibly infinite collection of universes
[08:17] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i am on ppc, so mozilla build doesn't work
[08:17] <steve_> cafuego, im scared....
[08:17] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: i dunno if they have a ppc veersion
[08:17] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 6.04 will be an enterprise release. 5 years of support on the server, 3 on the desktop
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, very nice
[08:17] <Rattboi> poop
[08:17] <steve_> :|
[08:17] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, do you have a URL on that info?
[08:17] <crow> !info aterm
[08:17] <ubotu> aterm: (Afterstep XVT - a VT102 emulator for the X window system), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.2-10 (hoary), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 276 kB
[08:18] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and what's the release cycle going to be like?
[08:18] <ugo> cafeugo: that'll hurt
[08:18] <steve_> !info pr0n
[08:18] <ugo> !info
[08:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the current 6 month cycle will continue in parallel
[08:18] <jasoncohen> are there plans to expand main to include more server stuff for the 6 month releases?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, support for 5 years == no new release for 5 years
[08:18] <Gatton> cuz you can never have too many terms
[08:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you sure? RHEL has support for 5 or 7 years but releases every 18 months
[08:19] <ugo> one thing i'm curious about is the naming structure for ubuntu
[08:19] <graue> am I in the wrong channel? is there a support channel somewhere I should use?
[08:19] <graue> I'd really just like to know how to use CD-RW discs...
[08:19] <ugo> so we've got warty warthog...hairy hedgehog...
[08:19] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, "Ubuntu will make a new release every six months. In addition, we may make an Enterprise Release every 12 to 24 months, which will receive additional testing."
[08:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, fairly certain
[08:19] <jasoncohen> not 5 years
[08:19] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, ok
[08:19] <eyequeue> hoary hedehog
[08:19] <bojangles> well i don't know who the was but he said India was #3 on the list and was not paying $20,000 for each copy of windows
[08:20] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[08:20] <bojangles> crimsun was there in the channel...maybe he remembers
[08:20] <ugo> is there any chance they'll run out of matching word animal pairs?
[08:20] <eyequeue> breezy badger
[08:20] <ugo> lets see zany zebra
[08:20] <Nsaneice> zany zebra
[08:20] <Nsaneice> hey
[08:21] <Nsaneice> I need to enable timestamps
[08:21] <ugo> Nsaneice i am a mind reader...
[08:21] <glick> what are games that you can play over and over again and that last a while?
[08:21] <eyequeue> Nsaneice:  in?
[08:21] <Nsaneice> Well your good, sometimes I can't read my own mind...
[08:21] <[2] BoxingFiend> glick: neverwinter
[08:21] <jasoncohen> anyone know if gnomebaker is going to go into main? the latest release has fewer dependencies from universe and it can create audio & data CDs as well as DVDs. serpentine only does audio
[08:21] <glick> [2] BoxingFiend, free games
[08:21] <Nsaneice> XChat
[08:22] <ugo> Nsaneice yeah i was wondering why there was a brick wall somewhere
[08:22] <graue> jasoncohen, do I need that in order to rewrite to CD-RW discs?
[08:22] <Nsaneice> Just to see how far apart ugo and my post was
[08:22] <eyequeue> Nsaneice:  settings > preferences > interface > text...
[08:22] <eyequeue> 4 seconds, here
[08:22] <ugo> hmm....an animal that starts with q
[08:22] <jasoncohen> graue, i dont' believe so. nautilus probably supports CD-RWs
[08:22] <bojangles> that is hard to believe that India is pirating at 80%
[08:22] <glick> whats with that game thats on the open cid
[08:22] <glick> the open cd
[08:22] <Nsaneice> Thanks eyequeue
[08:23] <graue> jasoncohen, how would I add to one that already has stuff on it?
[08:23] <jasoncohen> but i think gnomebaker is important to have as nautilus isn't a full fledged cd burning app
[08:23] <eyequeue> np
[08:23] <glick> whats it called the battle for wesnoth
[08:23] <QaDeS_> re
[08:23] <graue> I see
[08:23] <bojangles> and that they rank #3 on the list...instead of each person paying $20,000 for a legal copy of windows
[08:23] <glick> how is that
[08:23] <jasoncohen> graue, i've never done it- sorry
[08:23] <graue> ok, thanks, I'll try gnomebaker
[08:23] <nagual> where is the documentation for /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:23] <Madpilot> glick: wesnoth is in the U repos. it's good
[08:23] <robotgeek> bojangles: i am from india. I am now studying in the US, but I did not know anyone who has a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <ugo> bojangles well im really happy you dont fix the prices of m$ windows
[08:24] <bojangles> robotgeek, you mean nobody wants to pay MS $20,000 for a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, no one purchased a PC with windows on it?
[08:24] <hondje> as jasoncohen described...never used it though
[08:24] <hyphenated> bojangles: was the source of that stat just about india, or did it include other countries?
[08:24] <jasoncohen> basically everyone who buys a PC has purchased a legal copy of windows
[08:24] <bojangles> ugo, i don't fix the prices...MS reports the prices on their website
[08:24] <robotgeek> bojangles: well, lemme see...no!
[08:24] <ugo> 20k?
[08:24] <jasoncohen> i have a legal copy of windows but i didn't pay for it. it was given to me
[08:25] <QaDeS_> jasoncohen, may i past you the output in a query?
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, yes and that is just for the basics.
[08:25] <Madpilot> jasoncohen: unless - like most of the ppl I know - you buy parts & roll your own comp...
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> Anyone here know how to get voodoo 3 to run X
[08:25] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: well, ther's a difference in the way it works
[08:25] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  i recommend asking for it "bare" (all reputable shops around here do that)
[08:25] <ugo> i got mine on discount...$10
[08:25] <hondje> I don't thinkI know anyone with a pirated copy of windows
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, just for 5 user licenses it starts at $4000
[08:25] <glick> how is bzflag?
[08:25] <GhostFreeman> all my attempts to do so excluding vesa don't work
[08:25] <jasoncohen> Madpilot, that's what i've done as well- but most pc users don't
[08:25] <bojangles> ugo, and for MSSQL it escates beyond calculation
[08:25] <bojangles> escalates
[08:25] <eyequeue> glick:  i've heard it's violent, something to do with tanks i think
[08:25] <jasoncohen> eyequeue, i build my own boxes. i was just saying most people don't and therefore paid for windows
[08:25] <Madpilot> glick: bzflag is fast, goofy and oddly addictive...
[08:25] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, the output of what?
[08:26] <eyequeue> jasoncohen:  gotcha
[08:26] <cafuego> Do you ever get those support emails that make you go "I'm not doing your homework for you" ?
[08:26] <ugo> yeah i did pricing for a company once....
[08:26] <hyphenated> glick: it looks about as cool as 3D games from the late 80's
[08:26] <QaDeS_> jasoncohen, of my wpa_supplicant
[08:26] <ugo> bojangles funny how i forgot bout it....
[08:26] <QaDeS_> it's getting further, but it won't connect
[08:26] <glick> hyphenated, is that good or bad
[08:26] <hondje> bzflag is awesome
[08:26] <QaDeS_> No suitable AP found
[08:27] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: the big guns like HP/Compaq come with legal version. but the build ur own is much cheaper
[08:27] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: and those people generally prefer not to buy their windows copies
[08:27] <hyphenated> glick: it depends. do you like games for their looks, or for how fun they are?
[08:27] <jasoncohen> QaDeS, sure
[08:27] <glick> hyphenated, mostly how fun they are
[08:27] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i build my own, and definitely prefer not to buy ms things :)
[08:27] <Madpilot> MS charges about $400 Canadian for a retail copy of XP Pro. that's obscene...
[08:27] <ugo> hey i did a manual build of openafs yesterday
[08:27] <hyphenated> glick: no loss giving it a go then :-)
[08:27] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, but comparitively few people build their own computers or buy bare PCs
[08:28] <jasoncohen> i would bet less than 5%
[08:28] <robotgeek> eyequeue: :)
[08:28] <Nsaneice> I don't know what it is USD something like 135?
[08:28] <ugo> unfort i dont have the startup scripts
[08:28] <hondje> I bet it's less than %5
[08:28] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: nah...there are guys who build it for you, say ur local geek
[08:28] <ugo> can anyone give me a pointer how to extract them from an official ubuntu package?
[08:28] <hondje> there's a reason dell is obscenely rich
[08:28] <hyphenated> xe.com/ucc says it's 327 USD
[08:28] <jasoncohen> robotgeek, and how many people do you think do that?
[08:28] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[08:29] <Madpilot> 400 Cdn = ~ 325 US, Nsaneice
[08:29] <jasoncohen> those people aren't cutting into MS's market share of legal windows copies
[08:29] <Nsaneice> For the Home?
[08:29] <Orborde> Where does Ubuntu store its default interface info for eth0? I can't make eth0 remember the static IP address I assigned it past a reboot. Help, please?
[08:29] <eyequeue> ugo:  a .deb is an "ar" archive which then contains tarballs
[08:29] <jasoncohen> Orborde, /etc/network/interfaces
[08:29] <Orborde> Sorry, double-posted that.
[08:29] <robotgeek> jasoncohen: local geeks have stores, and they have friends
[08:29] <hyphenated> Orborde: how are you configuring it? I use 'network-admin'
[08:29] <Gatton> curse you smeg
[08:29] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: no, that's XP Pro, full retail not OEM
[08:29] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:29] <Amaranth> Gatton: What did smeg do?
[08:30] <eyequeue> ugo:  if you don't want to get low-level with it, you can just tap enter on the deb using "mc"
[08:30] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Um...I don't really know. I've been trying to use ifconfig under the admin username from a root terminal
[08:30] <Coag> hello everyone :)
[08:30] <Nsaneice> I think my father bought a XP Pro OEM for 89
[08:30] <robotgeek> Amaranth: :)
[08:30] <Gatton> Amaranth, it doesn't want to allow me to put the new entry under the menu I want. Always puts it under System Tools
[08:30] <Gatton> doesn't seem to allow me to drag it either
[08:30] <Amaranth> Gatton: Do you have the system tools menu selected when you click on New Entry?
[08:30] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: yah, OEM can be very cheap - relatively - but retail is crazy...
[08:30] <hondje> Not to be offensive, but most people that think pirated copies of windows are the majority don't have much work experience
[08:30] <robotgeek> atleast out here, XP is like 21$...some upgrade version.
[08:30] <Nsaneice> There is OEM, Retail, and Winbeta
[08:30] <Nsaneice> :)
[08:31] <Gatton> Amaranth, No I have Office selected.  I'm talking private PCs
[08:31] <jasoncohen> Orborde, System > Administration > Networking
[08:31] <Gatton> Of course I'm using 0.5. Not sure if there's a newer version
[08:31] <robotgeek> the Fink Download and build thing did not work for me!
[08:31] <Amaranth> Gatton: Can you email the /home/<username>/.config/menus/applications.menu file to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[08:31] <hondje> most private pcs aren't pirated either
[08:31] <ugo> right...thanks
[08:31] <hyphenated> Nsaneice: I should check how much it costs across the road. probably about 1USD :-) (I'm in indonesia right now)
[08:31] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Oh. I thought it needed to be DHCP.
[08:31] <Nsaneice> IC
[08:32] <robotgeek> the private PC's are mostly pirated. I dunno abt the work PC's. I guess they must be legal
[08:32] <Gatton> Amaranth, Sure thing
[08:32] <Orborde> jasoncohen: Subnet mask/gateway address should be what?
[08:32] <bojangles> now it appears MS has a bargain basement price for the stripped down standard version instead of the enterprise version which has cut all the valuable features....so you can get it at the bargain prices legally
[08:32] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:32] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=4271ea85-f9e5-4986-80ec-5f53ade3740d&type=ovr
[08:32] <robotgeek> abt 2 years ago, it was q$
[08:32] <Madpilot> hondje: I don't know all that many ppl who buy Dell, I guess
[08:32] <robotgeek> q$
[08:32] <Amaranth> Gatton: I probably won't be able to get to it right away though.
[08:32] <hondje> Madpilot: then you don't know many people :p
[08:32] <bojangles> is anyone interested in paying MS a fortune....just to get started....at least they will be honest
[08:32] <eyequeue> Orborde:  man 5 interfaces, iirc, gives you an example of manual (static) configuration (it's not terribly hard really)
[08:32] <Nsaneice> I am on a Dell lappy right now..
[08:33] <hondje> there's a really good reason Dell and Microsoft are rolling in the money
[08:33] <hyphenated> Nsaneice: did you get suspend to work, out of curiousity?
[08:33] <Madpilot> hondje: most of the computer users I know are on pirate copies on built-by-a-friend systems...
[08:33] <Gatton> Amaranth, No biggie. Anything you can suggest I look for in the meantime? Or is it a programming thing? :)
[08:33] <Nsaneice> I bought it from a rich guy, who got it as a gift from work, so he gave it to me to stop from paying taxes
[08:33] <bojangles> ugo, so you see i am not fixing the prices...those are MS prices at microsoft.com
[08:33] <jasoncohen> Orborde, gateway is the IP of your router and subnet is <IP_ADDRESS> usually\
[08:33] <Nsaneice> Suspend?
[08:34] <robotgeek> hey...my sleep works mostly, but sometimes...it just crashes on 'unsleep'
[08:34] <Nsaneice> Like Hibernate?
[08:34] <lcore_> Firewall questions: I've noticed NEW connection outgoing from my tcp80 port to my ISP network addresses ports 4328 and 4802. What could tickle this (apache2 listening on port 80?). Can this be a sign of intrusion?
[08:34] <Amaranth> Gatton: After you've sent that file try running 'rm -rf ~/.config/menus ~/.local/share/desktop-directories ~/.local/share/applications'
[08:34] <robotgeek> and the dmesg output doesn't say anything!
[08:34] <hyphenated> a working suspend or hibernate would make me happy
[08:34] <Amaranth> Gatton: That'll clear out all the changes you've made and start you fresh.
[08:35] <Nsaneice> it doesn't work for me, and I don't know much Linux..
[08:35] <eyequeue> lol, unsleep: nothing appropriate.
[08:35] <eyequeue> sleep (1)            - delay for a specified amount of time
[08:35] <Gatton> Amaranth, good advice. Let me give it a shot
[08:35] <hyphenated> eyequeue: they're descriptions of the actions that occur, not literal commands :-)
[08:35] <Amaranth> Gatton: *cough* send the file first :)
[08:35] <Nsaneice> But, I did enjoy building Ubuntu from server
[08:35] <eyequeue> hyphenated:  i knew :)
[08:35] <Gatton> Amaranth, don't worry I backed it up ;)
[08:35] <robotgeek> eyequeue: or whatever u call suspend!
[08:35] <bojangles> hah...this dude said no wonder MS and Dell are making a fortune.
[08:36] <bojangles> hah...they don't make peanuts...IBM made over $14billion dollars in just one year last year
[08:36] <Nsaneice> IBM go down the hole, no more PPC chips..
[08:36] <crow> anyone else having problems with pastebin?
[08:36] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i think there's two names for each, one being a to-disk and one being a to-ram, and each having two differing names in differing docs :/
[08:36] <Rattboi> Nsaneice: I think Xbox's sell better than Apple's do
[08:37] <Madpilot> yeah, seems there's big companies - MS & Dell - and then there's IBM, still the super-heavyweight...
[08:37] <robotgeek> eyequeue: so what do u call, what it does when you shut the lid
[08:37] <Rattboi> same with PS3
[08:37] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: i read that most of the new gaming consoles will have PPC chips inthem...
[08:37] <Rattboi> and Revolution
[08:37] <Gatton> Amaranth, do you want the file attached or just the listing? There isn't very much in the file. Only a few lines
[08:37] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: Just saying that Apple is looking to Intel chips
[08:37] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i think that was (beleive it or not) "lid.sh"
[08:38] <Amaranth> Gatton: whichever works
[08:38] <Madpilot> Nsaneice: not looking, but going, I thought?
[08:38] <Rattboi> Nsaneice: yeah, but I don't think that has much to do with their profit margins
[08:38] <GhostFreeman> can someone please tell me if PPC is superior than x86
[08:38] <Amaranth> Gatton: doesn't make a difference, i just need to read it
[08:38] <robotgeek> IBM got a real sweet deal, with everyone buying chips from them.
[08:38] <GhostFreeman> I want to end this argument with a friend i've been having
[08:38] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i started by looking in /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:38] <Rattboi> especially since like Freescale was making a lot of PPC for Apple anyways
[08:38] <Nsaneice> Madpilot: No clue..
[08:39] <bojangles> robotgeek, it is not just selling all the chips now...but they will lock in future sales because the chip buyers will want to maintain backward compatibility
[08:39] <Rattboi> GhostFreeman: superior how?
[08:39] <Rattboi> each will have it's advantages
[08:39] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: PPC is superior on paper
[08:39] <hyphenated> GhostFreeman: they're not comparable like that. is white bread better than brown bread?
[08:39] <robotgeek> eyequeue: i don't have a acpi-support directory
[08:39] <NewUbuntuUser> this is a quick question that probably has a long answer... but in a nutshell... is it easy or at least POSSIBLE to play Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft on Ubuntu?
[08:39] <Rattboi> hyphenated: exactly
[08:39] <shawarma> Hi! There's some sort of problem with liba52 and mplayer... Does anyone know what causes this? (To reproduce: try playing almost any DVD with the mplayer from multiverse)
[08:39] <bojangles> GhostFreeman, PPC is shit...but the cell processor is quite impressive
[08:39] <GhostFreeman> I think i understand
[08:39] <linukso> GhostFreeman: PowerPc is a much cooler name then x68 => superior!
[08:39] <Rattboi> ask PPC_Guy
[08:39] <Rattboi> :)
[08:39] <hyphenated> heh
[08:39] <Rattboi> I wonder what he'll say
[08:39] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  acpi-support: /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:40] <bojangles> linukso, that is a lie...PPC is shit...the research went into the cell processor
[08:40] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: And for floating point operations it's better than x86, but in reality the x86 generally blows the PPC away.
[08:40] <PPC_Guy> hey all. Question. Just added a second hd to my ubuntu box but can't see the flippin thing
[08:40] <GhostFreeman> hmm
[08:40] <Gatton> Amaranth, I sent it thanks
[08:40] <GhostFreeman> I was told x86 was inferior to PPC but then again he was a mac geek
[08:40] <Nsaneice> I think x86 uses less power and has less heat
[08:40] <Coag> didya format it PPC_Guy
[08:40] <Rattboi> yeah, mac guys will say that
[08:40] <Rattboi> most
[08:40] <eyequeue> robotgeek: see if sudo apt-get install acpi-support seems like it wants to be reasonable on your box (not removing anything important for example)
[08:40] <PPC_Guy> yup
[08:40] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Everytime a new PPC comes out (G3, G4, G5) it is temporarily the fastest desktop CPU available but the x86 folks regain the crown quickly and the PPC just keeps falling behind until a new major version.
[08:41] <robotgeek> eyequeue: one sec
[08:41] <Coag> PPC didya mont t?
[08:41] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i'm on a breezy laptop, so things may differ a bit here
[08:41] <Rattboi> I can't believe that it's less heat
[08:41] <Nsaneice> PPC_Guy: add it to fstab
[08:41] <Coag> mount it*
[08:41] <linukso> bojangles: I didn't comment on the facts, just the name :)
[08:41] <robotgeek> eyequeue: cool, PPC?
[08:41] <Nsaneice> PPC_Guy: then a good old " sudo mount -a "
[08:41] <Coag> mount -t fs /dev/hd# /home/persona
[08:41] <PaxAnima> is it possible to perform a netinstall of ubuntu using floppy?
[08:41] <GhostFreeman> so why the hell are the new consoles using PPC when x86, on paper, kicks its ass
[08:42] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  nah, centrino here
[08:42] <nagual> when grub first installed itself during install it did some stuff 'automatically' question is, can i get back to that?
[08:42] <GhostFreeman> That's what I don't get. Seems like they're downgrading based on what you guys say
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: Because the PPC in the consoles is nothing like the one in desktop.s
[08:42] <GhostFreeman> true
[08:42] <robotgeek> eyequeue: apt-cache doesn't show acpi-support, or anything similiar
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: The console versions don't do out of order execution or any of the stuff a desktop machine needs.
[08:42] <Gatton> Amaranth, Nevermind.  I was leaving the Category picker blank when creating the new entry
[08:42] <Amaranth> GhostFreeman: They are tuned specifically to running games.
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> ok
[08:43] <eyequeue> the other thing to keep in mind is that clock speeds on one archetecture don't map well to clock speeds on another archetecture
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: Category picker?
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: What version are you using?
[08:43] <NewUbuntuUser> this is a quick question that probably has a long answer... but in a nutshell... is it easy or at least POSSIBLE to play Battlefield 2 or World of Warcraft on Ubuntu?
[08:43] <hondje> yes, if you pay money
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> yes
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> dual boot
[08:43] <GhostFreeman> :)
[08:43] <Razor-X> fever sucks ;)
[08:43] <Amaranth> doesn't bf2 have a native version?
[08:43] <robotgeek> eyequeue: eyequeue, i belive that this machine runs apm
[08:43] <Nsaneice> NewUbuntuUser: Yes if you pay for software
[08:43] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  drat, could be a breezy thing :(  you've got all the various repositories added i gather?
[08:43] <NewUbuntuUser> =P darn
[08:43] <robotgeek> eyequeue: pretty much
[08:43] <Gatton> Amaranth, 0.5. When creating the new entry under icon there is an option for Category which has all of your menu headings listed. I was forgetting to choose Office thinking that it would automatically place it in the highlighted category
[08:43] <Amaranth> Gatton: It sounds like you're using 0.5, the latest version is 0.7.5. :)
[08:44] <NewUbuntuUser> i wanted to give Mr. Gates the boot =P
[08:44] <Razor-X> NewUbuntuUser: i'm stuck on a Windows box
[08:44] <glick> excuse me what package is esddsp in?
[08:44] <glick> esound wrapper?
[08:44] <Gatton> Amaranth, oops. I assumed Synaptic would pick up on that but told me I had the latest version. Off to upgrade :)
[08:44] <robotgeek> eyequeue: no problem, just wanted my linux laptop to be close to/better than OS X
[08:44] <NewUbuntuUser> stuck is a good way to put it
[08:44] <Amaranth> Gatton: wait
[08:44] <GhostFreeman> I use Windows but MS dosen't get my money
[08:44] <Razor-X> the only way i'm making do is an SSH shell connected to an emacs session, and XEmacs-native with Eshell
[08:44] <orangerange> can anyone please help me work with openoffice writer?
[08:44] <Gatton> ok
[08:44] <Razor-X> DOS is just too horrendous.....
[08:44] <barlas> orangerange, what do you want help with?
[08:44] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  i also found it works best on this particular box with 2.6.12, which isn't recommended with hoary :/  i think the best advice i could give may be to wait a few months? :(
[08:45] <Amaranth> Gatton: If you're an x86 user, please run http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg to install the latest version.
[08:45] <NewUbuntuUser> well thanks for the info XD!
[08:45] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  or of course, find that your box works with apm unlike mine, heh
[08:45] <Gatton> Amaranth, gonna do that right now thanks
[08:45] <Razor-X> especially the WinXP emulation of DOS
[08:46] <orangerange> barlas, thank you so much for your help. My document is at http://koyuri.tripod.com/Original_Useful_Phrases.sxw . I want to: 1) keep everything on one page by having the remainder of the table wrap to the right side of page 1.   2) I want to be able to enter text inside the table  while keeping the scheme of alternating white and grey rows
[08:46] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  btw, sometimes i find it doesn't like to bring wlan back up, and other times, it seems to hate sound ... this is with suspend-to-disk, the -to-ram option has never behaved here with this hardware
[08:47] <robotgeek> eyequeue: i don't mind, actually. I don't really want to mess around with the configuration right now. it's a bad time. and i need to get work done :)
[08:47] <orangerange> barlas, in regards to point 1, i want it to look something like http://linux.ee/~vagula/ooshots/dictionary.png
[08:47] <Gatton> Amaranth, niiice.  I have a script which i run to bring it back again.
[08:48] <Amaranth> Gatton: :D
[08:48] <Razor-X> so.... to help out an ailing Ubuntu user... can anyone suggest a nice DOS emulator that does all of DOS well? (not just games)
[08:49] <Coag> ubuntu doesnt support my wireless no matter what it seems
[08:49] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  mine seems to be a firmware problem, it's still under development (and needs 2.6.12 to work with suspend at all)
[08:49] <robotgeek> Coag: what seems to be the problem?
[08:49] <Coag> well i was in here yesterday
[08:49] <robotgeek> eyequeue: well, the pros of having a old machine!
[08:49] <Coag> i had my WMP54G setup with ndiswrapper and recoginized
[08:49] <Gatton> Amaranth, thanks for your help. And please disregard the email. I appreciate it
[08:49] <Coag> but no matter what i did i could get it to see an AP
[08:50] <eyequeue> Coag:  i don't know the exact url, but there was a page on the wiki that talked of wireless chipset support, maybe that could help
[08:50] <Razor-X> i've been noticing that, nowadays, preference has been much more on wireless internet, very very whacky wireless networks
[08:50] <Amaranth> Gatton: No problem. Always happy to help one of my users. :)
[08:50] <orangerange> Hello all. I want to: 1) keep everything on one page by having the remainder of the table wrap to the right side of page 1.   2) I want to be able to enter text inside the table  while keeping the scheme of alternating white and grey rows. . My document is at http://koyuri.tripod.com/Original_Useful_Phrases.sxw .
[08:50] <orangerange> How do i do so?
[08:51] <ugo> hey....aptitude keeps trying to remove openoffice automatically
[08:51] <Amaranth> ugo: aptitude is stupid like that ;)
[08:51] <eyequeue> ugo:  does it say why?
[08:51] <Coag> well, eyequeue and robotgeek i ended up gettign rid of ubuntu :9 which i didnt want to but not seeing an AP was not ok so im STUCK on Fedora Core 3 and the nasty YUM system
[08:51] <ugo> i tinkered with my box the wrongway majorly yesterday
[08:51] <Razor-X> is sxw the Oo format, thingy?
[08:51] <ugo> so i know im at fault...
[08:51] <robotgeek> Coag: can you turn off the ip masking if you have it enabled.
[08:51] <Madpilot> Razor-X: yes.
[08:51] <ugo> The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
[08:51] <Razor-X> ugo: you can probably change that in aptitude's settings
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: ubuntu had it turned on by default on mine, and i had the same problem
[08:52] <orangerange> barlas, ?
[08:52] <Coag> are you serious?
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: /etc/init.d/ipmasq stop
[08:52] <Coag> i coulda fixed it?
[08:52] <Coag> *sigh*
[08:52] <Razor-X> if I had a physical copy in front of me (like I use normally) then I could hel pmore interactively
[08:52] <EGCdgital> Hi everyone
[08:52] <Coag> too bad youw erent here yesterday
[08:52] <EGCdgital> I need some help
[08:52] <barlas> orangerange, hmm... wait a second
[08:52] <Coag> youw erent
[08:52] <eyequeue> Coag:  i hear you, but you do need to have something that works with the peculiarities of your own hardware.  do give it another try when breezy releases
[08:52] <barlas> let me see
[08:52] <orangerange> barlas, thank you.
[08:52] <robotgeek> Coag: if it was enabled, that might have done the trick!
[08:53] <Coag> yeah
[08:53] <Coag> thanks alot
[08:53] <Razor-X> I stay away from WYSIWYG now.....
[08:53] <EGCdgital> my video card dont works 100%  I cant change my resolution =( I dont have audio too
[08:53] <Coag> alot of people tried to help me
[08:53] <Coag> but none had been in the situation before
[08:53] <Coag> so they were guessing
[08:53] <EGCdgital> somebodt help me please
[08:53] <Razor-X> EGCdgital: what happened?
[08:53] <EGCdgital> dont works ok my video card
[08:53] <EGCdgital> I've ati radeon 9200
[08:53] <Razor-X> !resolution
[08:54] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:54] <Coag> linux + ait = not good
[08:54] <EGCdgital> is my first time with linux
[08:54] <EGCdgital> Im virgen
[08:54] <eyequeue> Coag:  are you dual booting there?
[08:54] <Razor-X> I misread, and thought that you did something to break the video-card support
[08:54] <Coag> eyequeue, i tried
[08:54] <robotgeek> Coag: i found out only by looking at the kernel logs :(
[08:54] <Razor-X> there you are, a generic, bot-ified response to a commonly bleated question ;)
[08:54] <Coag> can i pm you with my dual boot situation eyequeue
[08:54] <Razor-X> Coag: I can help with double-booting as well
[08:55] <Coag> ill jsut say it in here
[08:55] <Coag> might take a while
[08:55] <Coag> here goes
[08:55] <EGCdgital> I cant change my resolution
[08:55] <EGCdgital> of my desktop
[08:55] <EGCdgital> =/
[08:55] <Razor-X> !resolution
[08:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:55] <eyequeue> Coag:  a trick i've heard with some chipsets/firmware:  if the linux driver is misbehaving due to misconfiguration, sometimes you have to boot to another OS to get it sort of "reset" to a working config, then go back to linux with the correct (attempted-correct?) configuration
[08:55] <Razor-X> read everything that people say
[08:55] <Coag> I installed XP with two partitions, the first partition on the disk i made FAT and 500 megs the second one i made the windows drive
[08:56] <Coag> when i installed ubuntu i formatting that fat drive and made it boot
[08:56] <robotgeek> eyequeue: what??
[08:56] <Coag> so now i cant boot back into windows
[08:56] <Razor-X> Coag: you installed Ubuntu on 500 mb?
[08:56] <Coag> no
[08:56] <Coag> i used the 500 mb as boot
[08:56] <Razor-X> ..........
[08:56] <eyequeue> robotgeek:  weird, but when the linux driver is still somewhat unfinished, the other OS driver apparently can force a more-complete reset or something
[08:56] <Coag> which had XP boot files im assuming, and i formatted it
[08:57] <Razor-X> why in the world would you boot a 500 MB FAT partition with nothing bootable on it?
[08:57] <Razor-X> XP Boot files are all located in the same partition
[08:57] <robotgeek> eyequeue: weird!
[08:57] <vinux> hey guys what's that website with alot of ubuntu themes?
[08:57] <Madpilot> vinux: gnome-look.org?
[08:58] <ugo> done...
[08:58] <vinux> Madpilot, I think that's it
[08:58] <firestorm> Hi all. When installing transcode I get: transcode: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed   ... any hints?
[08:58] <eyequeue> Coag:  okay, IF you can get into ubuntu, such as from a livecd, try running "sudo grub-install" to get a boot sector back
[08:58] <Coag> when i installed ubuntu i formatted that partition with the ext2 and put the bootloader on it and pointed towards an ext3 partition for ubuntu which worked fine, and my windows XP partition where it could boot
[08:58] <robotgeek> alrite ppl, off to bed!
[08:58] <barlas> orangerange, can't find anything like that :-/
[08:58] <Seveas> firestorm, if you use transcode from hoary-extras, you need libgcc1 from hoary-backports
[08:58] <Coag> i already install over ubuntu because being without internet was not ok
[08:58] <orangerange> barlas, what can't you find?
[08:58] <Coag> i can boot to linux, but i cant boot to windows
[08:59] <Coag> and i do have grub pointed at the right parition
[08:59] <SysFail> and the problem is?
[08:59] <Razor-X> Coag: so, for clarity purposes, can you get me a partition table of your drive(s)?
[08:59] <SysFail> heh
[08:59] <barlas> orangerange, unfortunately, my OOo  is not working atm here :-/ can't find on net
[08:59] <Coag> hd (0,4)
[08:59] <Coag> Razor-X, sure how?
[08:59] <ugo> hey is there a guide of some sorts on how to maintain two gcc versions on one box
[08:59] <Coag> wait
[08:59] <Coag> nevermind
[08:59] <eyequeue> Coag:  i've seen ppl in here mention an ms command something with -mbr or something, but i don't know that one myslef (that would give you back windows, i think)
[08:59] <Razor-X> hah, ok
[08:59] <orangerange> barlas, okay. thank you 8-)
[08:59] <firestorm> Seveas: yikes, how do I get libgcc1 from hoary-backports?
[08:59] <Razor-X> eyequeue: I know the command, but it may do more harm than good
[08:59] <Seveas> firestorm: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[08:59] <Coag> O.o
[08:59] <Coag> fdisk couldnt be found
[09:00] <abhayks> Seveas: or better upgrade to breezy
[09:00] <Coag> ok so how to get that partition table
[09:00] <Razor-X> Coag: what about cfdisk, parted, gparted, or qtparted?
[09:00] <eyequeue> Coag:  try cfdisk
[09:00] <Seveas> abhayks, NO
[09:00] <Razor-X> :D
[09:00] <Razor-X> abhayks: Breezy is HIGHLY deprecated
[09:00] <Seveas> upgrading to breezy is risky and not to be done ....
[09:00] <Seveas> Razor-X, ehm...
[09:00] <Seveas> get a dictionary
[09:00] <Seveas> deprecated means outdated...
[09:00] <Coag> none of the commands work
[09:00] <eyequeue> Coag:  actually, listen to Razor-X, he probably doesn't have the headache that i do now, heh
[09:00] <Seveas> breezy is bleeding edge :)
[09:00] <Coag> damn fedora core 3
[09:01] <Seveas> Coag, this is #ubuntu, not #fedora :)
[09:01] <Coag> i know
[09:01] <abhayks> breezy is NOT risky
[09:01] <Coag> but this is a problem that started in ubuntu
[09:01] <Seveas> abhayks, it is
[09:01] <Coag> that i carried on to fedora
[09:01] <linukso> Why why why! Gnome-volume-manager is very nice, but when two users are logged in at the same time, why can't only the "active" session mount external medias and cd/dvd's?
[09:01] <abhayks> I am running it very successfully on my thinkpad
[09:01] <crow> how do you compile a program with options when you get it off of apt-get?
[09:01] <Seveas> abhayks, that does not mean it isn't risky...
[09:01] <Razor-X> deprecated: To express disapproval of
[09:01] <Razor-X> ;)
[09:01] <eyequeue> abhayks:  it is (i'm on it) ... see /topic for one example
[09:02] <firestorm> Seveas: and what should the options in /etc/apt/sources.list be for the backports?
[09:02] <Razor-X> deprecated is just to steer people away from softwary that shouldn't be used
[09:02] <Seveas> crow, apt-get source $programname, edit debian/rules and run dpkg-buildpackage
[09:02] <crow> say i want to make aterm --enable-transparency
[09:02] <Seveas> firestorm: To find out the location of backports, go to backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[09:02] <Seveas> look there :)
[09:02] <Razor-X> crow: ./configure --help
[09:02] <firestorm> Seveas: I already have an entry that looks like: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:02] <Razor-X> in the source directory of aterm
[09:03] <eyequeue> firestorm:  -extras and -backports are different.  clone the line with the other suffix :)
[09:03] <Seveas> firestorm, add another with hoary-backports instead of hoary-extras
[09:04] <firestorm> Seveas: thanks...now I need to dl 45MB for apt-get upgrade...will see how apt-get install transcode looks then....thanks for your help :)
[09:05] <Razor-X> firestorm: be careful with backports
[09:05] <abhayks> For Laptops, breezy is real bliss. Yes I do except that I don't upgrade Xorg very often.
[09:05] <Razor-X> if you replace too much of your system with backported stuff, things can break
[09:05] <Razor-X> regardless... i'm off
[09:05] <Razor-X> I may not have a headache, but i'm fighting fever
[09:05] <Razor-X> so... night everyone
[09:06] <crow> does ubuntu not use gcc or cc?
[09:06] <DukGalNamu> hey, anyone hear use btdownloadheadless?
[09:06] <Razor-X> crow: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:06] <abhayks> crow: it does
[09:06] <Razor-X> and with that, i'm off
[09:06] <crow> ok, thanks
[09:06] <Coag> <3 apt-get
[09:06] <Coag> using it on fedora :)
[09:06] <DukGalNamu> ...
[09:07] <crow> says there isnt a package called build-essential
[09:07] <crow> argh
[09:07] <DukGalNamu> crow: try just apt-get build-essentials
[09:07] <crow> !info build-essentials
[09:07] <DukGalNamu> without the install
[09:08] <crow> thats an invalid operation
[09:08] <DukGalNamu> !dance
[09:08] <ubotu> DukGalNamu: I haven't a clue
[09:08] <firestorm> Seveas: with razor-x's comment, should I enable backports *only* for transcode then comment it out again in sources.list once installed?
[09:08] <vinux> abhayks, so breezy is working pretty good?
[09:08] <Burgundavia> vinux, sort of
[09:08] <abhayks> vinux: OH its perfect --
[09:08] <vinux> Burgundavia, what do you mean sort of?
[09:09] <abhayks> just ensure that you do not upgrade Xorg very often
[09:09] <Burgundavia> vinux, might not work for you
[09:09] <benplaut> try the live CD
[09:09] <abhayks> I have gnome configured, with no pannel and using adesklets instead. It is just too good an eye-candy
[09:09] <benplaut> if that works, than a clean install is likely to work
[09:09] <SysFail> breezy has a live-cd?
[09:10] <benplaut> yeah
[09:10] <abhayks> all the applications are bleeding-edge.
[09:10] <SysFail> I musta missed that
[09:10] <vinux> hehe
[09:10] <Coag> abhayks,
[09:10] <Coag> wanna post a screenie?
[09:10] <abhayks> and this is my way of giving back my testing results to my fav distro- Ubuntu
[09:10] <benplaut> abhayks: if you don't have gnome-panel, then go ahead and use flux or blackbox... you will hardly notice a difference, and it will be alot faster
[09:11] <SysFail> or WM
[09:11] <abhayks> can I post in IRC ?
[09:11] <Coag> umm... flux is a huge difference
[09:11] <benplaut> those _are_ WMs...
[09:11] <SysFail> WM= window maker
[09:11] <benplaut> ooohhh
[09:11] <Coag> abhayks, upload the picture somewhere and post the link
[09:11] <benplaut> _that_ WM :)
[09:11] <SysFail> yeah :)
[09:11] <abhayks> benplaut: Thanks for the advice, I'll definately try fluxbox. Was thinking of XFCE4 also
[09:12] <SysFail> I love WM
[09:12] <linukso> metacity is a fast windowmanager, I dont understand what you are complaining about...
[09:12] <vinux> xfce4 is awsome
[09:12] <benplaut> XFCE, IMHO, is awesome
[09:12] <benplaut> woops
[09:12] <Coag> i love xfce
[09:12] <benplaut> well, common opinion :)
[09:12] <abhayks> coag: I'll try to post in ubuntuforums.
[09:12] <vinux> hehe
[09:12] <Coag> you could jsut imageshack.us
[09:12] <benplaut> i do too, but i don't use it for the simple reason that the "start" button cant's go all the way to the bottom pixel of the screen
[09:12] <benplaut> very annoying
[09:13] <abhayks> what is imageshak.us ?
[09:13] <benplaut> my system is powerful enough that i can still use Gnome, with noth that much speed decrease
[09:13] <benplaut> it's an image host site
[09:13] <benplaut> it's good- use it
[09:13] <abhayks> thanks
[09:13] <benplaut> wait
[09:13] <benplaut> no
[09:13] <benplaut> it's www.imageshack.us
[09:14] <Coag> same difference
[09:14] <Coag> oih
[09:14] <abhayks> OK
[09:14] <Coag> i left out a c
[09:14] <Coag> haha
[09:14] <Coag> no he did
[09:16] <z[bandito> hi
[09:17] <z[bandito> how can you disable certain keys on the keyboard?  i have a system with a japanese keyboard, but the software is configured for US english.  it works ok, but the spacing on some keys is too close .. like print screen is very close to backspace and easy to hit on accident.  on a slow machine this can cause additional pain ;)
[09:17] <dices> hello everyone
[09:17] <z[bandito> hi
[09:18] <linukso> z[bandito: if its gnome, you can just change the gnome keyboard shortcuts to make printscreen do... Nothing
[09:18] <dices> Is it possible to select all wanted apps with apt-get and export of list of downloads ? so i can take it and download elsewhere ?
[09:19] <cafuego> dices: apt-zip and apt-move
[09:19] <dices> cafuego: thx lemme see
[09:19] <z[bandito> yes it is gnome.. is it in settings?  sorry I'm not on the system atm
[09:20] <z[bandito> wasn't sure if there was an easy to access setting from gnome or if i would need to launch a configuration from the shell, or edit a config, or what ;)
[09:20] <dices> cafuego: is that in the apt-get repositories ?
[09:20] <cafuego> dices: it ort to be, let me see.
[09:20] <cafuego> !info apt-zip
[09:20] <ubotu> apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section universe/admin, is extra. Version: 0.13.2 (hoary), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 96 kB
[09:21] <cafuego> dices: universe
[09:21] <linukso> z[bandito: you can change keyboard shortcuts from the system -> preferences menu
[09:22] <mebaran151> what is the best cdripper
[09:22] <pax> k3b
[09:22] <pax> oops
[09:22] <z[bandito> thanks very much linukso :)
[09:24] <linukso> z[bandito: np
[09:24] <z[bandito> you wouldn't know how to disable a certain pointing device would you?  :)  i have an other machine, also older (i'm trying to set up some older machines as desktop linux boxen for some poor college student friends for homework using firefox, gedit, and o.office) which has a broken trackpoint eraser pointing device... it has a USB mouse but sometimes the trackpoint overrides the mouse and takes the pointer all over the screen ...
[09:24] <z[bandito> =\    :)
[09:25] <Atlas95> hello
[09:25] <gyaresu> mebaran151, goobox for ripping. and do it in 'flac' (free lossless audio codec)
[09:25] <linukso> mebaran151: sound-juicer works fine.
[09:25] <Atlas95> i have an 9600 pro and i want to buy a x800 because R300 chipset don't support 3d under linux
[09:26] <Atlas95> but i don't know if x800 is supported?
[09:26] <gyaresu> Atlas95, anything nvidia is fine.
[09:26] <Atlas95> someone can help me?
[09:26] <pax> apt-cache search cd ripper and try them all
[09:26] <mebaran151> goobox is the best
[09:26] <mebaran151> I would like to use ogg
[09:26] <mebaran151> I know FLAC is lossless
[09:26] <mebaran151> but I dont have that much space
[09:27] <z[bandito> gotta run
[09:27] <mebaran151> my MPEG 4 movie collection needs its room
[09:27] <pax> gimme
[09:27] <mebaran151> Atlas95, the newere it is, the less likely linux will natively accelerate it
[09:27] <mebaran151> pax?
[09:27] <z[bandito> thanks for the help bbl
[09:27] <mebaran151> try the fglrx driver
[09:27] <mebaran151> it is pretty recent
[09:28] <pax> mebaran151: kidding :)
[09:28] <mebaran151> oh
[09:28] <mebaran151> actually
[09:28] <mebaran151> I am writing a little ruby script
[09:28] <mebaran151> to grant access
[09:28] <mebaran151> to my little database over streaming ftp
[09:28] <erudeye> where i can find package for ubuntu
[09:28] <bojangles> ok here is the minimum $4000 for windows price at microsoft.com....i did not fix any prices these are quoted by MS as they consider how valuable they are.
[09:28] <gyaresu> !tell erudeye about sources
[09:28] <mebaran151> do you know if ssh opens files bsd style, as streams
[09:29] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=5c9ab977-c900-4924-b156-2615fc883e5c&type=ovr
[09:29] <mebaran151> or if it requires the whole block to connect
[09:29] <bojangles> now notice that is only for 25 clients....the price escalates beyond calculation for additional features
[09:30] <cafuego> mebaran151: ssh user@remotehost "command to add user to db"
[09:30] <abhayks> Hi managed to host a snapshot on Imageshak
[09:30] <bojangles> i can't understand why India is pirating windows....instead of honestly paying the money asked per person and per processor
[09:30] <cafuego> bojangles: Because windows is shit and MS demanding money for it is a crime.
[09:31] <gyaresu> cafuego, said a potty word.
[09:31] <robotgeek> bojangles: for the n'th time. cause they can't afford it!
[09:31] <bojangles> cafuego, you mean you don't want to pay $4000 for a minimum os without SQL server even...just to get started
[09:31] <dices> hey i love windows, keeps work for me
[09:31] <dices> same person comming 3 times a month = $$$
[09:31] <Atlas95> what card graphik i can buy
[09:31] <Atlas95> ?
[09:31] <reka> sny ML/SML programmers?
[09:31] <reka> *any
[09:31] <gyaresu> Atlas95, anything nvidia.
[09:31] <cafuego> Atlas95: Depends on your budget and cpu.
[09:31] <Atlas95> what tyoe
[09:31] <firestorm> Hi. I cannot play DVDs but previously a package suggested i install 'libdvdcss'. When I try, I get: E: Package libdvdcss has no installation candidate
[09:31] <Atlas95> under 300
[09:31] <Atlas95> but recente
[09:31] <cafuego> 300 whatnow?
[09:32] <Atlas95> a good card
[09:32] <gyaresu> Atlas95, nvidia 6800gt
[09:32] <pax> 6800gt is ancient by now
[09:32] <reka> firestorm: it's in backports
[09:32] <gyaresu> Atlas95, ~$300AU will do the job
[09:32] <abhayks> Though I had to use gnome pannel to get access to snapshot application ( as yet not part of my adesklet pannel)
[09:32] <abhayks> here is the link to it
[09:32] <abhayks> http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11dj.png
[09:32] <text_> how do i exit xwindows? when i press ctrl+alt+backspace it goes to back to the classic console but then starts x again instantly
[09:33] <pax> text kill gdm or stop it
[09:33] <cafuego> Atlas95: if you have a 32bit intel box and want to run games on Windows and other stuff on Linux, an ATI is going to be fastest. if you want decent 3D on windows AND Linux and/or have a 64bit Athlon, get nvidia.
[09:33] <reka> text_: iirc, sudo /etc/init.d stop
[09:33] <reka> text_: iirc, sudo /etc/init.d gdm stop
[09:33] <pax> text, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <gyaresu> text_, for admin stuff?
[09:33] <text_> k
[09:33] <reka> hehe
[09:33] <mebaran151> how do I clear my CDDB database
[09:33] <abhayks> text_: set the system to init 3 mode
[09:33] <mebaran151> in goobox I accidently clicked the wrong album choice
[09:34] <text_> thanks alot guys
[09:34] <text_> appreciate the quick replies
[09:34] <pax> text anything to kill x, welcome
[09:34] <Atlas95> for the moment i have a barton 2800+ with 1go of pc3200 and sapphire 9600 pro
[09:34] <abhayks> benplaut: did u like the snapshot
[09:34] <bojangles> now you don't even want to ask about MS price of this one
[09:34] <bojangles> http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=e9548378-8d87-47bc-80f4-2b6f2ac3a444&type=ovr
[09:35] <bojangles> it supports up to 64 processors on your motherboard and an 8 node cluster for starters
[09:35] <cafuego> Atlas95: Then you need a faster CPU, not a faster gfx card.
[09:36] <bojangles> but you don't even want to ask how much money?
[09:36] <Madpilot> bojangles: has this become #microsoft-prices at some point? ;)
[09:36] <abhayks> comeon guys I took so much time just to upload one image -- please give your reviews
[09:36] <abhayks> http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot11dj.png
[09:36] <bojangles> Madpilot, no...we are just trying to understand why someone said India is pirating windows at 80%
[09:36] <Madpilot> abhayks: intersesting. what WM is that again?
[09:36] <cafuego> abhayks: bad green
[09:37] <abhayks> Its normal gnome
[09:37] <Madpilot> bojangles: um, because it's freakin' expensive & overpriced. next question?
[09:37] <gyaresu> abhayks, it's sexy.
[09:37] <abhayks> gyaresu: thanks
[09:37] <pax> what, republicans want to bomb India now?
[09:37] <robotgeek> abhayks: is that gdesklets?
[09:37] <Madpilot> abhayks: cool. what is the resources thign on the side?
[09:37] <robotgeek> abhayks: and what's the dock thing?
[09:38] <Madpilot> *thing
[09:38] <abhayks> cafuego: that is a fully transparent gnome-terminal running top. Yes green ids not looking good
[09:38] <benplaut> abhayks: that's really good looking!
[09:38] <benplaut> do you have anything for a taskbar, however?
[09:38] <gyaresu> abhayks, does that mean ALL your terminals look that way?
[09:38] <robotgeek> abhayks: try torsmo
[09:38] <Madpilot> go with dark blue or dark grey text. or just black...
[09:39] <benplaut> oh, and junk the Ubuntu Human icon theme ;)
[09:39] <abhayks> robotgeek: that is adesklets. The dock is modubar and That system REsources is System monitor
[09:39] <abhayks> They are all desklets of adesklets
[09:39] <Madpilot> cool stuff, abhayks. no multiple virtual desktops, though?
[09:40] <gyaresu> "adesklets" ?
[09:40] <Madpilot> ... i couldn't function anymore without all four desktops...
[09:40] <mebaran151> how do I enable mp3 recording in goobox
[09:40] <mebaran151> what pkg do I need
[09:40] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i even quit os x for it :)
[09:40] <gyaresu> !codecs
[09:40] <ubotu> somebody said codecs was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:40] <sss_lr> apt-cache search " mp3 recordin"
[09:41] <Madpilot> robotgeek: ? the virtual desktops convinced you to go w/ Ubuntu?
[09:41] <abhayks> Madpilot: no multiple desktops
[09:41] <robotgeek> i used to use debian before
[09:41] <abhayks> gyaresu: apt-get install adesklets
[09:41] <Madpilot> abhayks: too bad.
[09:41] <mebaran151> gyaresu, I dont think it was codecs
[09:41] <mebaran151> I can play mp3's just fine
[09:41] <robotgeek> then pathner came along, used it for quite a while, then dual booted, and now running only ubuntu
[09:41] <mebaran151> both in mplayer and in totem
[09:41] <gyaresu> mebaran151, ah. sorry.
[09:42] <robotgeek> Madpilot: got most of my issues sorted out
[09:42] <mebaran151> and I installed lame
[09:42] <abhayks> Madpilot: that will take too much resources
[09:42] <Jimmothy> what's the name of the ftp client with  ubuntu?
[09:42] <mebaran151> the only encoder of any note
[09:42] <mebaran151> gftp
[09:42] <Jimmothy> ta
[09:42] <gyaresu> mebaran151, what repository. i'm not getting it.
[09:42] <robotgeek> abhayks: adesklets doesn't show up?
[09:42] <Madpilot> abhayks: how resource-intense is gdesklets,then?
[09:42] <robotgeek> gftp
[09:43] <abhayks> Madpilot: gdesklets are very resorce hungry-- unlike adesklets
[09:43] <Madpilot> robotgeek: search Syn for "gdesklets", not a...
[09:43] <abhayks> u can see CPU load =5%
[09:43] <robotgeek> Madpilot: yeah, gdesklets shows up..what's adesklets?
[09:43] <abhayks> robotgeek: adesklets are displayed as SystemMonitor and the dock bar
[09:44] <gyaresu> abhayks, they're not listed though.
[09:44] <abhayks> apt-get install adesklets
[09:44] <gyaresu> abhayks, no.
[09:44] <mebaran151> gyaresu, universe
[09:44] <gyaresu> Madpilot, robotgeek can you guys seem them.
[09:44] <robotgeek> abhayks,Madpilot : i manage with torsmo, and no icons. thank u
[09:44] <mebaran151> goobox is not technically supported
[09:44] <robotgeek> gyaresu: nope
[09:44] <gyaresu> mebaran151, i got full sources.
[09:44] <mebaran151> hmm?
[09:45] <erirlar> how can i change the computer name? tryed changeing it in /etc/hosts but then i couldnt log inn to Gnome
[09:45] <mebaran151> what mp3 pkg's do you have
[09:45] <abhayks> abhayks@abhayks:~/Work/Themes/modubar-0.0.1$ apt-cache search adesklets
[09:45] <abhayks> adesklets - interactive Imlib2 console for the X Window System
[09:45] <gyaresu> mebaran151, I have uni and multi and backports...
[09:45] <mebaran151> it does ogg vbr which is all I reall need
[09:45] <mebaran151> backports
[09:45] <mebaran151> hmm, I am on AMD64
[09:45] <abhayks> set ur source.list
[09:45] <Madpilot> gyaresu: no adesklets I can find?
[09:45] <mebaran151> that might be it
[09:45] <mebaran151> what mp3 pkgs hav eyou installed
[09:45] <Madpilot> abhayks: which repos are you using? I thought I had all the standard U ones enabled...
[09:46] <bojangles> now intel is starting off with the dual core Itanium2 called Montecito to be released soon for SGI....then when they get to 64core...it will be ready for the MS windows i just posted
[09:46] <bojangles> then you can ask how much?
[09:46] <abhayks> Madpilot: I am using breezy ( main, universe and multiverse)
[09:46] <abhayks> this is why I say Breezy rocks
[09:47] <robotgeek> abhayks: no, i am not ready for breezy!
[09:47] <gyaresu> ah!
[09:47] <bojangles> and this dude said...no wonder MS and Dell make so much money
[09:47] <Madpilot> abhayks: that's the problem, I'm still on Hoary...
[09:48] <Madpilot> bojangles: please drop it? we know MS is evil, it doesn't need to be repeated endlessly...
[09:48] <gyaresu> Maddy, abhayks living on the edge.
[09:48] <abhayks> I had to use my mouse pointer to take the snapshot-- else if I place my mouse pointer on any icon  in the modubar-- they become enlarged and sort of pop up
[09:48] <robotgeek> my maverick days of living on the edge are over!
[09:49] <abhayks> Hey Breezy is not risky, not at all for our normal everyday work
[09:49] <Madpilot> robotgeek: yeah, no more Windows viruses for me, either... :)
[09:49] <Nermal> morning
[09:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: :)
[09:49] <cafuego> abhayks: It sure is over here, though.
[09:49] <robotgeek> later folks...
[09:50] <abhayks> Actually I found Ubuntu to be the best for my thinkpad.
[09:50] <gyaresu> Nermal, You better behave.
[09:50] <Nermal> hmm ?
[09:50] <abhayks> and breezy is like a breeze of fresh air
[09:50] <Nermal> I had a lovely weekend, you ?
[09:50] <Nermal> abhayks when it works :)
[09:50] <mebaran151> abhayks, breezy aint working on AMD64
[09:50] <mebaran151> at all
[09:50] <mebaran151> the partition corrupts parititons
[09:50] <mebaran151> it wont even layout the lsb
[09:51] <Nermal> hmm... I need to install cyprus for bitchx :|
[09:51] <mebaran151> is grip any good for cd burning?
[09:51] <cafuego> mebaran151: it runs OK here, provided I update _very_ carefully.
[09:51] <mebaran151> it has lots of neato options
[09:52] <mebaran151> cafuego, the current arrays have a very borked installer
[09:52] <mebaran151> that complains the kernel doesnt know that paritions have been set or mounted
[09:52] <gyaresu> Anyone use an Optical-out on their sound card?
[09:52] <cafuego> mebaran151: This is a dist-upgraded Debian Sid ;-)
[09:52] <Nermal> mebaran151 grip is more for ripping audio off a cd to disk
[09:52] <cafuego> mebaran151: sid -> hoary -> breezy
[09:52] <Nermal> gnomebaker is quite nice for gnome cd burning
[09:52] <abhayks> Nermal: mebaran1: A couple of my friends had initial problems on AMD64 with breezy, but they are all happy now
[09:52] <mebaran151> Nermal, isnt that would goobox does too
[09:53] <mebaran151> abhayks, they need to fix the installer
[09:53] <mebaran151> it wont let me parition
[09:53] <abhayks> for CD/DVD burning, I trust only k3b
[09:53] <mebaran151> and my rig is pretty standard
[09:53] <Nermal> hmm
[09:53] <mebaran151> so what should I use, goobox or grip
[09:53] <Nermal> nautilus has worked fine for me, though it is rather basic :|
[09:53] <abhayks> mebaran151: you may try installing hoary and do a dist-upgrade to breezy
[09:53] <mebaran151> grip has more output functions
[09:54] <mebaran151> abhayks, I'm scared
[09:54] <mebaran151> I do my devel on this computer
[09:54] <mebaran151> I am willing to fix the occasional bug
[09:54] <mebaran151> which is why I like to run the devel copy
[09:54] <mebaran151> but I also need to work
[09:54] <mebaran151> and not having X can be a big deal
[09:54] <mebaran151> the biggest draw of breezy is its much imporved mono support
[09:54] <gyaresu> | X still broken in Breezy - DO NOT USE BREEZY YET |  - how bad could it be? :)
[09:54] <mebaran151> I would like to try it out
[09:54] <mebaran151> gyaresu, now we wonder why ...
[09:55] <Nermal> shit
[09:55] <abhayks> mebaran151: i understand ur concerns. Surely not having X would make life hell for me. Though I use this mostly for doing telnet to my server machines where I do the work.
[09:55] <Nermal> I've rested my hand in superglue :|
[09:55] <gyaresu> Nermal, DON'T EVEN START.
[09:56] <lok> then force a downgrade of xserver-xorg
[09:56] <Atlas95> how to manually install a gdm theme?
[09:57] <Atlas95> the install button don't work for me
[09:58] <Nermal> hurrah
[09:58] <Nermal> Atlas95 drag and drop
[09:58] <Nermal> ?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> Atlas95, drag the theme into the theme window
[09:58] <ecarroll> Alright here is a fun problem to chew on, I have recently installed kubuntu, on a machine in which only the /home was left from a previous installation, now my sound system is borked, in KDE control panel i can play the sound test but not the midi test, in addition XMMS sends to stderr that the sound device is busy and cannot be opened, it sends to a gui dialog a message telling me my sound card is misconfigured; now here is the real
[09:59] <Nermal> ecarroll midi needs a sequencer device
[09:59] <Nermal> xmms is probably trying to use anying but arts
[09:59] <Nermal> so either install the xmms arts output plugin
[09:59] <Nermal> or turn arts off
[10:00] <ecarroll> I set xmms to use both artsd and alsa to no avail
[10:00] <bojangles> gyaresu, X is not broken in breezy...worked fine here...it just needs a couple of symlinks and don't use the latest kernel
[10:00] <Nermal> ecarroll output of lsof /dev/dsp ?
[10:00] <hussam> hey guys, anybody using the win32 codecs package? ( the one from mplayer )
[10:00] <ecarroll> Nermal: nothing
[10:00] <Nermal> humm
[10:00] <gyaresu> bojangles, really. should get an op to change the motd.
[10:01] <ecarroll> hussam: yes, get it from marillat mirror
[10:01] <bojangles> gyaresu, what is motd?
[10:01] <scaroo> bojangles, dont you have issues with xkb ?
[10:01] <scaroo> mine is totally broken, even with symlinks
[10:01] <gyaresu> bojangles, message of the day
[10:01] <bojangles> scaroo, no..it worked fine for me but it missed a couple of symlinks in /usr/bin/X11 or so
[10:01] <abhayks> scaroo: mine was broken too, but symlinks helped me
[10:02] <Nermal> bojangles motd = message of the day
[10:02] <bojangles> scaroo, you have to make sure the keyboard module is available and locatable
[10:02] <Nermal> displays a message to users when they log on
[10:02] <kjon> I updated my ubuntu with a debian repository and I get a 'broken pipe' error. How can I solve that?
[10:02] <scaroo> ok, could you please guys tell me wich symlinks i need
[10:02] <abhayks> /etc/motd
[10:02] <hussam> ecarroll: I already have it. but I was asking why there were no updates after the one released in 20050412?
[10:02] <Nermal> kjon erm.. by not using a debian repository ?
[10:02] <bojangles> scaroo, it is easy to trace....look for the broken symlinks and fix them
[10:02] <Nermal> scaroo you using breezy ?
[10:02] <scaroo> Nermal, yep
[10:02] <abhayks> kjon: If u want bleeding edge go for breezy, my advice dont use debian repo
[10:03] <bojangles> scaroo, you should find one called X in /etc/X11
[10:03] <Nermal> aye.. my xkb is screwed
[10:03] <Nermal> I guess you need to find the rules file and symlink it
[10:03] <kjon> Hell... something says me that I screwed it up.
[10:03] <scaroo> i symliked xkeysymb and /etc/x11/xkb
[10:03] <hussam> hussam: will mplayer ever update the packages?
[10:03] <bojangles> scaroo, don't change the symlink that is broken but instead make the right directories available
[10:03] <ecarroll> hussam: because the windows codecs haven't been updated
[10:03] <Nermal> scaroo iirc.. I removed a .rules file
[10:03] <the_walrus> has anyone here used Xen at all?
[10:03] <kjon> But, the update installed a lot of things; however, the only problem -at this stage- is with python2.3-gtk2
[10:04] <ecarroll> hussam: try vlc it doesn't use w32-codecs
[10:04] <hussam> ecarroll: but mplayer itself isn't being shutdown, is it?
[10:04] <bojangles> well anyway i have things to do.
[10:04] <reka> how do i report a package bug?
[10:05] <hussam> ecarroll: i use xineui
[10:05] <hussam> ecarroll: i heard mplayer were having problems over some patent issues
[10:05] <mouarffr> hi there, Is free.fr (french ISP) is a running mirror for Ubuntu ?
[10:05] <mouarffr> the official fr mirror is very very slow
[10:06] <scaroo> mouarf : ca tourne pas mal pour moi
[10:06] <ecarroll> hussam: non-vlc uses w32-codecs, vlc uses dvdbob code
[10:06] <hussam> ecarroll: ah, I see
[10:06] <ecarroll> Nermal: what is mcop when i run artsd It says it can't open some file with that name in /tmp
[10:07] <mouarffr> scaroo, can U please provide me your apt line config
[10:07] <mouarffr> scaroo, tks
[10:07] <julo> hi
[10:07] <julo> how can I know which package a file belongs to, using apt ?
[10:07] <mebaran151> how can I use mencoder to repair a broken avi index
[10:08] <ecarroll> apt-get install apt-file, apt-file search <name>
[10:08] <scaroo> mouarffr, deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:09] <mebaran151> anyone here know how?
[10:10] <kc122> hey, i have a question about installing ubuntu linux on my intel based desktop
[10:10] <zenrox> ask
[10:10] <julo> thanks ecarroll
[10:10] <kc122> i curently have windows installed on my computer
[10:11] <kc122> will the ubuntu instalation erase windows and all my current files?
[10:11] <zenrox> kc122,  thare is a nice howto on www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:11] <guillem> Hi. I'm playing around with my new  AMD64 ubuntu64 system... What do you guys do to run 32 apps? I've heard about chrooting... Do I install also ubuntu32 in another partition and chroot from 64 or something like that?
[10:11] <ecarroll> kc122: depends.
[10:12] <kc122> depends on what?
[10:12] <Nermal> whether you tell it to or not
[10:12] <ecarroll> kc122: depends, 100% on if you tell/allow ubuntu to reformat your windows partition
[10:12] <kc122> O.K. thanks
[10:12] <ecarroll> kc122: no prob =D
[10:12] <zenrox> like i said a nice howto
[10:12] <Nermal> guillem don't think so
[10:12] <Nermal> I think you have a seperate dir for 32bit libs :|
[10:12] <ecarroll> now why do you need a howto when you have us nice folks here
[10:12] <Nermal> or something
[10:12] <benplaut> g'night all
[10:13] <Nermal> ecarroll to save time / typing
[10:13] <zenrox> yep
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> anybody have a clue as to why there's no png2yuv available for ubuntu?
[10:13] <guillem> Nermal, so you say that the 64bit packages install 32 libs also in another place?
[10:13] <Nermal> Computer__Guru there probably is.. just in a random package
[10:13] <Computer__Guru> not that i can see
[10:14] <Nermal> guillem yeah.. well. at least I think so
[10:14] <zenrox> Computer__Guru, you can open the file in gimp and probly save as a yuv??
[10:14] <abhayks> Computer__Guru: Nice name u have
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> zenrox: an application i use is requiring png2yuv, which should be part of either mjpegtools or netpbm, but isnt present ont he system, though both packages are installed
[10:15] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> abhayks: ty
[10:15] <guillem> Nermal, wow, I can see I have the "/usr/lib32" plenty of stuff
[10:15] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  ya its plobly with anothe packare
[10:15] <d4rksh4de> how to edit menu.lst correctly?
[10:15] <DarkLight> hey guys. Can you help me with Ubuntu plz?
[10:15] <zenrox> search for that in synaptic
[10:15] <Nermal> Computer__Guru hmm.. can't see it on packages.ubuntu.com :|
[10:15] <Computer__Guru> zenrox: any idea how i'd find it?
[10:16] <zenrox> ^^
[10:16] <abhayks> DarkLight: what help u want?
[10:16] <Computer__Guru> synaptic isnt going to search within packages, though
[10:16] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  also try some of the defernt searches too that synaptic provides
[10:16] <DarkLight> abhayks: heh, Im running now on Live Ubuntu Linux, its nice (I wanted to try it cause Im Winoz user) but I cant acces to my HDD
[10:17] <DarkLight> its correctly connected, I can normal boot on it to windows, but this Live Ubuntu cant see partitions and acces to disk :(
[10:17] <zenrox> DarkLight,  thats casue your windows partions = ntfs
[10:17] <d4rksh4de> how to put Windows boot to 1st in list correctly?
[10:17] <DarkLight> yep, its ntfs. why linux cant acces to ntfs?
[10:17] <hondje> it can read ntfs fine, it can't write safely
[10:17] <guillem> Nermal, however seems that some packages from multiverse, for instance, do no follow that policy :-((
[10:18] <Madpilot> DarkLight: because MS owns the standard, I think
[10:18] <DarkLight> I have Suse live cd from 03/2003 and it couldnt acces to ntfs, I thought that new version can :|
[10:18] <domster> d4rksh4de - su, vim /boot/grub/menu.lst, change '0' to 'saved' under default
[10:18] <zenrox> DarkLight, the live cd dont provide read access to ntfs in the first place
[10:18] <DarkLight> is any way how to acces to my disc over the live cd on which Im running? :)
[10:18] <DarkLight> btw sry for my stupid questions, linux is new for me :)
[10:18] <zenrox> DarkLight,  but linux can read ntfs partions just cat write to them
[10:18] <ecarroll> DarkLight: mount -t ntfs
[10:19] <scaroo> arg i dont succeed repairing my xkb :( could someone help me ?
[10:19] <zenrox> DarkLight,  not on a live cd
[10:19] <DarkLight> zenrox: :|
[10:19] <d4rksh4de> domster> 0 to saved    ... where?
[10:19] <DarkLight> but thanx to all for ur help :)
[10:19] <zenrox> ecarroll,  is right i need to look up befor i press enter
[10:19] <domster> d4rksh4de - I should probably explain a bit better, hold a sec
[10:19] <d4rksh4de> domster> i have the file opened
[10:19] <identp> is it possible to print a file from ubuntu to a shared network printer connected to a windows machine?
[10:20] <Nermal> guillem :|
[10:20] <shadeland> man, i'm trying to get mp3 support on the livecd, this is a challenge :)
[10:20] <Nermal> identp of course
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> synaptic returned nothing, as did packages.ubuntu.com
[10:20] <zenrox> identp, yes nice howto on the forums
[10:20] <Nermal> there are gnome tools to configure cups
[10:20] <identp> great, ill check it out
[10:20] <Nermal> Computer__Guru I couldn't even see it on packages.debian.org :|
[10:20] <DarkLight> shadeland: heh, how can you try to run mp3z when you cant acces to HDD with ntfs? ha, u have fat32 :D
[10:20] <domster> d4rksh4de: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/656
[10:20] <Computer__Guru> Nermal: i swear it exists
[10:21] <zenrox> Computer__Guru,  look for a tar.gz on the web and compile and add it your self
[10:21] <Nermal> Computer__Guru google ? :)
[10:21] <shadeland> DarkLight, I can access ntfs fine
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> googled it, as well. cant find a source package
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> so oh well
[10:21] <Computer__Guru> screw it
[10:21] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:21] <domster> d4rksh4de - there should be a comment right above the line you need to change pointing it out
[10:21] <shadeland> ntfs support is built in (although I'm only using it as read-only)
[10:22] <DarkLight> shade: u r lucky man, I cant =)
[10:22] <shadeland> Why not, I'm using 5.04 live CD
[10:22] <shadeland> mount -t ntfs -o ro /mnt/hda3 /mnt/cdrive
[10:22] <zenrox> shadeland,  you manuly mounted it tho
[10:22] <shadeland> or whatever
[10:22] <shadeland> yeah
[10:22] <DarkLight> wuuuu, thanx for tip, ill try to mount it :)
[10:23] <shadeland> make sur to include -o ro
[10:23] <shadeland> that makes it read only
[10:23] <zenrox> the live cd (imho) should auto mount any ntfs fs systems it finds
[10:23] <d4rksh4de> domster> and when i do this it puts the Windows on the list 1st? (right now windows is the bottomest)
[10:23] <abhayks> yes linux does not have a stable driver to write to ntfs partetion
[10:23] <DarkLight> zenrox: for example, live cd of suse linux do it (find ntfs auto) but this ubuntu not :|
[10:24] <zenrox> DarkLight,  better exxompol = knoppix
[10:24] <Belutz> hai all, i just insall kubuntu desktop over my ubuntu... it's greatttttt
[10:24] <Belutz> i love ubuntu!!!
[10:24] <DarkLight> zenrox: =)
[10:24] <zenrox> lol
[10:24] <DarkLight> darkshade: console after mount cmd say that only root can do it :( fcuk
[10:24] <domster> d4rksh4de: not exactly - you could just edit the order. what this does is make it so it defaults to the OS you last booted into
[10:25] <zenrox> DarkLight, add a sudo inforunt
[10:25] <Belutz> anyone, how do i set different wallpaper for each desktop in gnome?
[10:25] <DarkLight> zenrox: ?? xixi, sry for my suxxx english, Im from CZ and only 14yrs old =)))))
[10:25] <Androo> what repository has the "regionset" tool?
[10:25] <zenrox> sudo
[10:26] <zenrox> sudo mount ..........
[10:26] <d4rksh4de> domster> but i can choose any time other OS?
[10:26] <abhayks> I dont understand this kde/gnome issue ( both are bloated and work properly) though I feel k3b is the best DVD ripping appl, but that apart both are equally good
[10:26] <domster> d4rksh4de, sure can
[10:26] <zenrox> Belutz,  dual monitor??
[10:26] <d4rksh4de> domster> ok thank you
[10:26] <Belutz> zenrox: 1 monitor
[10:27] <abhayks> Now I'll try XFCE ( it is low on system resources)
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  thats not possable as far as i know?
[10:27] <Nermal> !regionset
[10:27] <ubotu> Nermal: No idea
[10:27] <Belutz> is XFCE have a great look?
[10:27] <Nermal> bah
[10:27] <Belutz> zenrox: ic... cause it's possible in KDE
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  yes
[10:27] <jukk> i want to setup music server for my LAN to listen to...most of the music is in mp3 format. is there a php script to do this?
[10:27] <abhayks> Well, I have not tried as yet but seen the screenshots- they appear gr8
[10:27] <Belutz> is XFCE available in hoary universe?
[10:27] <Nermal> Androo   utils/regionset [universe]
[10:27] <zenrox> Belutz,  gnome dont have that capability
[10:28] <abhayks> yes XFCE is in hoary
[10:28] <zenrox> Belutz, yes
[10:28] <zenrox> xfce4.2.1 tho
[10:28] <Belutz> ok... trying to get XFCE *excited*
[10:28] <abhayks> USE Breezy-- for latest ones
[10:28] <zenrox> i love xfce
[10:29] <zenrox> i have 4.2.2 debs installed
[10:29] <Nermal> xfce isn't that exciting
[10:29] <zenrox> it is for me
[10:29] <Nermal> zenrox bless
[10:29] <zenrox> nice clean and faster on my dual monitors
[10:30] <abhayks> Please check "http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot24ii.png"
[10:30] <abhayks> this is a gnome session- a bit modified though
[10:30] <abhayks> XFCE appears equally good with very low on resources
[10:30] <zenrox> this is true
[10:31] <tobi_> good morning!
[10:31] <zenrox> but reall fast on sys's with lots of resources
[10:31] <ecarroll> what is the best way to perminatly disable artsd without breaking the ubuntu-desktop meta package? is there like a blacklist.d i can add it too?
[10:31] <tobi_> is there a way to fix x keymaps in breezy? *duck*
[10:32] <abhayks> Please any comments about the images !!
[10:32] <tobi_> daniels: are you there :) ?
[10:32] <d4rksh4de> do my intel x86 Ubuntu work on AMD 64 Athlon?
[10:33] <zenrox> d4rksh4de,  no
[10:33] <abhayks> d4rksh4de: It should not
[10:33] <zenrox> d4rksh4de, it can but will run in emulated mode
[10:33] <d4rksh4de> it should work on AMD Athlon
[10:33] <tobi_> damn, i'm dying without brackets :(
[10:33] <daniels> robihm?
[10:33] <d4rksh4de> but in 64 bit?
[10:33] <daniels> er
[10:33] <daniels> tobi_: hm?
[10:34] <DarkLight> grrr, now it says that "hdaX" (instead x is numer) does not exist :| im so sorry for my stupid problemz ;)
[10:34] <tobi_> daniels: is there a way to fix the keymaps in xorg?
[10:34] <tobi_> daniels: or just to make altgr work?
[10:34] <daniels> tobi_: make sure you have the newest xkeyboard-config and xlibs installed, and that /etc/X11/xkbcomp is a symlink to a binary that runs
[10:34] <daniels> (preferably xkbcomp itself if you want anything to work ...)
[10:34] <daniels> and also, /etc/X11/xkb/compiled should be a symlink to /var/lib/xkb, I think
[10:35] <tobi_> daniels: xlibs won't install, it tries to delete the xkb stuff.
[10:35] <mebaran151> why is sound juicer so damn slow compared to goobox
[10:35] <mebaran151> ?
[10:35] <daniels> tobi_: it should, it just needs some poking
[10:35] <tobi_> and the postconfig-script exits with signal 1
[10:35] <mebaran151> also for ogg, should I be using 160 kbps or 128 kbps
[10:35] <mebaran151> is 160 so much better
[10:35] <Androo> I have installed libdvdcss2 and Totem still will not play encrypted DVDs ("don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2 ....")
[10:35] <mebaran151> in the modern iteration of ogg
[10:36] <mebaran151> Androo, I dont think Totem will ever be able to use it ...
[10:36] <mebaran151> use mplayer
[10:36] <tobi_> daniels: so it will never run through, even if i delete the whole xkb dir
[10:36] <daniels> tobi_: make sure /etc/X11/xkb/rules exists as a directory
[10:36] <daniels> tobi_: mkdir -p /etc/X11/xkb/rules && sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs_6.8.2-42_all.deb && sudo apt-get install xkeyboard-config
[10:37] <daniels> tobi_: i have a fix for this coming up tonight
[10:37] <tobi_> daniels: ok, i'll give it a try! thanks a lot!
[10:38] <DarkLight> zenrox: still here?
[10:39] <zenrox> DarkLight, hdaX = hda 1-99 (usualy 1 for a cdrive)
[10:40] <zenrox> c drive
[10:42] <DarkLight> I tried from 1 to 10 and it still say "special device /mnt/hda1 does not exist
[10:42] <yahalom> hey guys i'm working on a windows box are there any apps that will give me a linux terminal?
[10:43] <Androo> yahalom: SSH + PuTTY
[10:43] <Ninwa> Is it just me or is like half the internet down.. O_O
[10:43] <Ninwa> Yes, I mean that in ths most serious way possible...
[10:43] <abhayks> anyone tried archLinux ?
[10:43] <Androo> if you mean accessing a remote box
[10:44] <Ninwa> I can only resolve about half of the domain names I try... and sometimes it will resolve but not connect to the IP
[10:44] <Androo> abhayks: yes, its quite nice, though the package selection isn't always fantastic
[10:44] <Ninwa> ... I think maybe there's a very bad node right next to me...
[10:44] <yahalom> Androo: i got putty. i want to be able to browse this box with alinux terminal not a remote host
[10:44] <Ninwa> it literally split the internet into two :(
[10:44] <abhayks> yahalom: try cygwin
[10:44] <Androo> yahalom: cygwin
[10:44] <yahalom> what is cygwin?
[10:45] <abhayks> Androo: Planning to install it on my desktop-- looks too risky for Thinkpad
[10:46] <abhayks> yahalom: it is an application that gives a *NIX like interface, most of unix utilities and even XServer
[10:46] <scaroo> daniels, the "apt-get install xkeyboard-config" fails because it tries to replace a file owned by xbase-clients
[10:46] <yahalom> :( admin has give me no install access.
[10:46] <abhayks> scaroo-- this is the worst part of dependency hell
[10:46] <daniels> scaroo: which one -- /etc/X11/xkb/compiled, or /xkbcomp?
[10:46] <yahalom> anyone know where i can get a gaim.exe without having to isntall it?
[10:46] <abhayks> yahalom: use Linux Live CD
[10:46] <hondje> yahalom: http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/
[10:46] <scaroo> daniels, /etc/X11/xkb/compiled
[10:47] <yahalom> abhayks: workign from a terminal
[10:47] <LasseL> is there any way I can "right-click-drag" in nautilus like I can in windows explorer?
[10:47] <daniels> scaroo: ok, there's a fix on the way for that
[10:47] <abhayks> u can download gaim.exe, without installing it
[10:48] <scaroo> abhayks, well said ! but it also a way to keep a system coherent :)
[10:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok can anyone help me i'm trying to install java
[10:48] <abhayks> sorry I don't have it, becoz I don't use any application ending with .exe
[10:48] <scaroo> daniels, ok so i wait and see
[10:48] <abhayks> scaroo: true
[10:48] <yahalom> abhayks: where? i onyl dounf installation exes
[10:49] <yahalom> abhayks: yeah i never use windows. just at work they are using windows :(
[10:49] <hussam> By next month, will breezy be safe enough to upgrade?
[10:49] <abhayks> yahalom: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/downloads.php
[10:49] <abhayks> here u'll find the windows version too
[10:49] <yahalom> abhayks: but its an install
[10:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so um anyone have any ideas about my java question?
[10:50] <pokemon69> hello, i'm with a small problem with debmirror I can't get with to download the backports packages, anyone can help out ?
[10:50] <Madpilot> !java
[10:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin.
[10:50] <abhayks> u mean -- u need the executable, OH to get around the restriction of not able to install
[10:51] <hondje> what's the Q, ChurcH_of_FoamY ?
[10:51] <Madpilot> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ubotu does - or do you have that URL already?
[10:51] <bojangles> there is one statement that i just don't understand no matter how hard i try
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i installed java but can't figure out how to get the plug in for mozilla
[10:51] <bojangles> this person said "Because they are freaking overpriced, that is why"
[10:51] <hondje> where'd you install it to?
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to work
[10:51] <yahalom> abhayks: exactly
[10:51] <hondje> /usr/java?
[10:51] <pokemon69> anyone can help me out with a comando so i can make demirror get the packages from the Backports project ??
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hell if i know i followd this
[10:51] <TPC> will the debootstrap on a hoary cd work when installing a "normal" debian system? or do I have to install debians debootstrap?
[10:52] <abhayks> yahalom: there is a hack for that-- not ethical though
[10:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#enable
[10:52] <Madpilot> bojangles: are you STILL rabbiting on about MS? why?
[10:52] <bojangles> but Apple is even more expensive than MS and Blade setups are even more expensive than Apple....so why do they say $20,000 for a basic copy of windows is overpriced.
[10:52] <abhayks> yahalom: use a linux live CD and get the windows administrator password
[10:52] <yahalom> abhayks: tell me
[10:52] <yahalom> abhayks: how?
[10:52] <bojangles> and RedHat is more expensive too.
[10:53] <yahalom> abhayks: how would i do that?
[10:53] <hondje> ChurcH_of_FoamY: but where did you extract it to?
[10:53] <yahalom> abhayks: i m on terminal :(
[10:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i don't know where it installed to >.<
[10:53] <bojangles> it seems like they just don't want to individually fork over the $20,000 each.
[10:53] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, you should use the java-common package wich offer you a tool to generate a deb file from the sun'sjava installer
[10:54] <scaroo> it will resolve for you the symlinks and so on to get the mozilla plugin
[10:54] <bojangles> and every TCO study has shown that $20,000 for windows is always cheaper than free Linux
[10:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i downloaded it from java's website >.<
[10:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause the how to dosen't work with my repos
[10:54] <abhayks> yahalom:http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_20348448.html
[10:54] <ValheruLord> are there any good documents about POSIx Standards
[10:54] <hondje> linux saves us assloads of money at work, ymmv
[10:55] <hondje> TCOs are for PHBs :p
[10:55] <Madpilot> bojangles: you do know that MS sponsered at least some of those "Linux is expesive" studies, don't you?
[10:55] <bojangles> Madpilot, well regardless...cant you see that $20,000 is cheaper than free.
[10:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hondje i tryed yesterday to follow this link but the repos woulden't work for me
[10:56] <Madpilot> bojangles: WTF is your problem? You've been on this subject for hours, and it wasn't even that interesting in the first place...
[10:56] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, hey, remember the ubuntu code of conduct
[10:56] <identp> kubuntu decided that it didnt like my cdrom anymore
[10:56] <identp> [15:56]  <identp> i took out one cd and put a new one in
[10:56] <identp> [15:57]  <identp> now i get the error: Unable to create io-slave: error loading 'kio_media'
[10:56] <bojangles> Madpilot, i am trying to understand why every individual in India doesn't want to be honest and pay the $20,000 for a legal copy of windows.
[10:57] <zenrox> identp,  try in #kubuntu
[10:57] <Burgundavia> bojangles, this is #ubuntu, not #bashwindowstco
[10:57] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: yeah, yeah. bojangles, because that's a lot of money, esp. in India?
[10:57] <abhayks> bojangles: Refrain yourself from making such slandrous remaks about Indians
[10:57] <identp> zenrox, tried there, no help :(
[10:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats the current version of java?
[10:59] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 1.5
[10:59] <abhayks> Madpilot: this is #ubuntu and not  #regional forum
[10:59] <xuniluser> HI Guys: I'm looking for a Visual-like Software Development tool for ubuntu linux. Anyone?
[10:59] <scaroo> ChurcH_of_FoamY, 1.5 rev3 to be precise
[10:59] <scaroo> xuniluser, try eclipse
[10:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[10:59] <abhayks> I believe we are all using ubuntu ( FREE)
[10:59] <Rattboi> I'm not
[10:59] <hondje> I thought it was 4
[11:00] <scaroo> xuniluser, try eclipse + cdt (c dev environement) + visual editor plugin
[11:00] <hondje> java version "1.5.0_04"
[11:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[11:00] <scaroo> hondje, ah maybe ! i may have missed the fouth release
[11:00] <scaroo> *fourth
[11:01] <hondje> I don't think you're missing much :)
[11:01] <scaroo> yep ii sure is a minor revision :p
[11:01] <hondje> anyone using matlab r14?
[11:01] <bojangles> abhayks, i am going on heard facts...i did not make those facts...someone in this room made them and crimsun was also in the room
[11:02] <the_walrus> does anyone know where a list of repositories is?
[11:02] <scaroo> the_walrus, apt-get.org
[11:02] <bojangles> abhayks, i just forget who it was
[11:02] <the_walrus> thanks scaroo
[11:03] <tobi_> daniels: still won't work. the xlibs postinst-script always deletes the /etc/X11/xkb/rules, if it exists...
[11:03] <linukso> hondje: yes
[11:03] <linukso> hondje: not r14, but I think R17
[11:03] <tobi_> daniels: and setxkbmap dies with "Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property"
[11:03] <abhayks> bojangles: sure u believe in having your own point of view and not to follow someone else views
[11:04] <hondje> 17? When they'd jump that high? Oh well...how does the UI run in linux?
[11:04] <daniels> tobi_: ok, just add 'exit 0' at the end of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xlibs.postinst and run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:05] <daniels> tobi_: did you install xkeyboard-config?
[11:05] <hondje> linukso: I'm still using r13, and I'm tired of it being retarded, like not using gl for plots, etc
[11:05] <tobi_> daniels: yeah
[11:05] <the_walrus> what happens if I put on a standard debian repository?
[11:05] <hondje> the_walrus: things break and you come back asking how to fix it
[11:05] <the_walrus> thought as much
[11:06] <the_walrus> i know how to fix stuff, its called "the axe"
[11:06] <the_walrus> :)
[11:06] <mouarffr> does anyone have an idea ? Xorg only launch on 640*480
[11:06] <linukso> hondje: ah, sorry. Mixing the numbers a bit. its R14, and I have not had any problems with the gui
[11:06] <hondje> then someone will point you to a guide on apt pinning, and you'll shorten your life from the stress
[11:06] <mouarffr> even if I don't have 640*480 in the conf file
[11:06] <linukso> hondje: except that it is slow
[11:06] <reka> !tell mouarffr about fixres
[11:06] <hondje> next thing you know, kids will throw rocks at you and laugh :( Very sad
[11:06] <hondje> linukso: happen to use a nvidia card with ti?
[11:06] <tobi_> daniels: i'll give it a try
[11:07] <linukso> hondje: yes
[11:07] <bojangles> abhayks, in this case i am just trying to understand the person' s comment "They are freaking overpriced"
[11:07] <bojangles> abhayks, this is not an obvious conclusion
[11:07] <hondje> linukso: awesome, and opengl doesn't complain?
[11:08] <mouarffr> for my screen resolution, the howto does not help me
[11:08] <bojangles> abhayks, nearly every TCO study has shown that paying  $20,000 each is far cheaper than paying nothing.
[11:08] <linukso> hondje: hmmm, never used opengl with matlab. sorry
[11:08] <bojangles> abhayks, so you can see it is not obvious.
[11:08] <reka> mouarffr: why not?
[11:09] <hondje> well, thanks a ton linukso
[11:09] <linukso> hondje: np
[11:10] <mouarffr> reka, my conffile is correct
[11:10] <xuniluser> scaroo: sorry for the delayed response, is eclipse included in the 5.0.4 ubuntu package?
[11:10] <reka> daniels: i posted a bug report for a broken package (sml-nj) today.  if the hoary repos only provide security updates, does this mean i'll have to wait for breezy before the problem is fixed?
[11:10] <reka> mouarffr: post it to a pastebin and i'll have a look.
[11:10] <xuniluser> scaroo: and how do i add the visual plugin and cdt?
[11:10] <abhayks> bojangles: these studies are worldwide an not restricted to India. Its OK to talk about M$, but plz talk in general terms and not with respect to any particular Country.
[11:11] <mouarffr> reka, pastebin ?
[11:11] <reka> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:11] <bojangles> abhayks, well this particular person came into this room and specifically stated that India is pirating over 80% because they do not want to pay $20,000 each for a legal copy of windows.
[11:11] <bojangles> abhayks, this is why India has been focused on.
[11:12] <daniels> reka: right
[11:12] <Wilow> Excuse me.  I have windows XP and Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 updated.  I recently over-rided my MBR sector when I reinstall windows.  However I am now unable to boot Ubuntu.  I ready on (ubuntuguide.org) that I should type "rescue" at boot and log in as root then type "grub-install /dev/hda".  Where /dev/hda is the location of my /boot partition.  However it comes up with an error message.  I think my boot partition is called something else.  So my question is how do I f