[05:38] <calamari> ahh, sorry.. needed to run that as sudo :)
[05:38] <calamari> famd    3246 calamari   50r   DIR    2,0 7168    1 /media/floppy0
[05:38] <Cindux> Anyone know how i can remove a file from terminal ?
[05:38] <farruinn> Cindux: rm is the remove command
[05:39] <Cindux> so it would be
[05:39] <tritium> DAC1138, what ARE you sticking with?
[05:39] <Cindux> sudo rm /usr/share/backgrounds/image.jpg ? ?
[05:39] <regeya> Crane, in all seriousness, yes, he died today.
[05:39] <trey3> Cindux, yes
[05:39] <Cindux> woah
[05:39] <Cindux> lol
[05:39] <DAC1138> oh. im using the xig server, what i was going to use before
[05:39] <Cindux> i guessed correctly woohoo
[05:39] <regeya> Crane: http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=2845948&nav=3w6oVVr7
[05:39] <Cindux> thanks man
[05:39] <DAC1138> Xsummit (laptop edition)
[05:39] <trey3> Cindux, cept... for that... sudo in front...
[05:39] <Crane> heh sorry I was reading the story on CNN
[05:39] <Cindux> oh er = /
[05:39] <Cindux> dont i need to be root to remove ?
[05:40] <Cindux> what if i sudo su first
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, well, it would do some good for ubuntu if you could sent that info to daniels
[05:40] <Crane> I didn't realize he had been retired that long
[05:40] <Cindux> then next line i did it
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, send
[05:40] <trey3> Cindux, sudo su would do nothing...
[05:40] <calamari> trey3: killed famd and re-ran it.. seems to have worked.. thanks
[05:40] <DAC1138> ill send it...im just busy building a new kernel right now though, im tired of rebooting
[05:40] <Cindux> i thought it allows all your commands to be typed as root
[05:40] <Cindux> bla
[05:40] <farruinn> Cindux: sudo -s would give you a root shell
[05:40] <trey3> calamari, you're welcome... lsof rules  ;)
[05:40] <Cindux> oh ic
[05:40] <tritium> DAC1138, thanks.  We appreciate it.
[05:41] <Cindux> so in the root shell i do rm /usr/share/backgrounds etc
[05:41] <DAC1138> and people with the same problem as me have already sent bug reports into x.org and xfree86 devel, i dont know if they ever got "heard" or looked at
[05:41] <farruinn> yes
[05:41] <DAC1138> but, ill still send it in
[05:41] <Cindux> wee
[05:41] <farruinn> but always think twice before removing a file
[05:41] <Cindux> its a jpeg
[05:42] <VTepes> hey, how do I get deb packages after installing Ubuntu?  All Synaptic is showing me is what's already installed... (sorry if this is a common question, but I searched the forum and couldn't find an answer)
[05:42] <calamari> brb.. trying the boot disk v2 :)
[05:42] <tritium> farruinn, earlier he really insisted on putting his personal background images in /usr/share/background.  Now he probably wants to delete them.
[05:42] <farruinn> yeah, I remember that
[05:43] <farruinn> I just wanted to make sure he understood that it wasn't like putting a file in the trash
[05:43] <tritium> VTepes, click on "Status" and then choose "Not installed"
[05:43] <crimsun> VTepes: make sure the main repository is enabled
[05:44] <VTepes> crimsun: main restricted?  that's all I seem to have options for...
[05:45] <crimsun> VTepes: and tritium's suggestion?
[05:45] <VTepes> crimsun: that works, but I'm still not seeing very many choices...
[05:46] <VTepes> crimsun: wait, I think it's working now, thanks:)
[05:46] <tritium> VTepes, you probably want to enable universe and multiverse
[05:46] <VTepes> I think I was having network problems earlier...
[05:49] <ChrisC_> my mouse is hosed ... what is the keyboard shortcut to get to the applications menu so I can do a clean shutdown?
[05:50] <trey3> ChrisC_, alt f1
[05:50] <lyy> anyone record tv shows from their tv tuner? i can't seem to figure out how.
[05:51] <bob2> mythtv.
[05:51] <trey3> lyy, what are you using?
[05:51] <lyy> bob2: is it very painful?
[05:51] <trey3> bob2, I thought tvtime was being favored over mythtv and co?
[05:51] <lyy> trey3: i installed tvtime. but it can't record. i tried looking into mencoder but it's confusing
[05:51] <wm_eddie> Anybody here using Ubuntu on a IBM Thinkpad 600e?
[05:51] <lyy> in windows, all i did was install the program.
[05:51] <VTepes> I'm on a Thinkpad R31
[05:51] <trey3> lyy, ahh... k... listen to bob2  :)
[05:52] <lyy> i guess in linux i need to through some hoops
[05:52] <lyy> jump*
[05:52] <lyy> ok, i'll install mythtv
[05:53] <ChrisC_> trey3: thanks, turns out kb was hosed too, had to push the shiny button ...
[05:53] <ChrisC_> does anyone here have any experience with using Ubuntu with a KVM?
[05:53] <VTepes> wm_eddie I'm on a Thinkpad R31, I may be able to help...
[05:54] <wm_eddie> Does Suspend work with 2.6?
[05:54] <VTepes> wm_eddie: I'm trying to figure that out myself right now;)  I can't find power options in Gnome
[05:55] <bob2> trey3: I don't know
[05:55] <pvh> Ah, I AM already logged in.
[05:55] <wm_eddie> VTepes: Well what I did was install 2.4 :)
[05:55] <tritium> wm_eddie, are you using Hoary?
[05:55] <bob2> I'm sure they're all kinda dodgy in different ways
[05:55] <wm_eddie> no, warty
[05:55] <pvh> Is there a media library plugin available for XMMS?
[05:55] <tritium> wm_eddie, power management is being actively worked on in Hoary
[05:56] <aebcoat> pvh give rythmbox a try?
[05:56] <pvh> aebcoat: It crashes when adding songs to the library.
[05:56] <trey3> pvh, for mp3? yes... for other media? via xmms-xmplayer yes...
[05:56] <wm_eddie> tritium: aw man, I should check it out then :(
[05:56] <aebcoat> hmm, ok
[05:56] <pvh> aebcoat: And it doesn't have a very good 'small' representation.
[05:56] <tritium> wm_eddie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryPM
[05:56] <wm_eddie> (I've installed 4 distributions on this laptop today)
[05:56] <VTepes> trtium: what power management options are available in warty?
[05:56] <pvh> trey3: xmms-xmplayer, eh?
[05:56] <trey3> pvh, idk... the panel icon is a pretty good minimized view...
[05:57] <trey3> pvh, yes.
[05:57] <lyy> bob2: bob2 after using synaptic to install mythtv i'm asked to remove some stuff below /var/lib/mysql with the mysql-server package with the "dpkg --purge mysql-server" command.. should i do it?
[05:57] <wm_eddie> tritium: the problem is my laptop is APM
[05:57] <tritium> wm_eddie, oh...
[05:57] <wm_eddie> Right now I'm trying to remember what I did to make my PCMCIA ethernet card work in 2.4
[05:57] <tritium> VTepes, acpi power mgmt requires kernel 2.6.10, which isn't in Warty
[05:57] <trey3> pvh, uhh... xmms-xmmplayer I meant  ;)
[05:57] <pvh> trey3: idk?
[05:58] <VTepes> tritium: (or anyone else) can I upgrade, or is that a bad idea;)?
[05:58] <trey3> pvh, apt-cache show xmms-xmmplayer
[05:58] <bob2> lyy: do you have a mysql database you care about?
[05:58] <pvh> Also, I've noticed a lot of applications I'm installing don't show up in my applications menu.
[05:58] <tritium> VTepes, that depends on how comfortable you are with a distribution that hasn't been released as stable.
[05:58] <lyy> bob2: none that i know of.
[05:58] <pvh> Is that because they're coming from (uni|multi)verse?
[05:59] <bob2> pvh: yup
[05:59] <VTepes> tritium: I think I'll stay with what I have for now... thanks:)
[05:59] <lyy> bob2: did you remove ?
[05:59] <tritium> VTepes, sure
[05:59] <pvh> bob2: I assume they're adding themselves to the Debian menu somewhere. Can I find that?
[05:59] <lyy> bob2: i'll just do what you do.
[05:59] <trey3> bob2, not necissarily because of that... also because most aren't using the new menu spec etc...
[06:00] <trey3> pvh, apt-get install 'menu' if you want Debian's menu... its a mess though imo
[06:00] <aebcoat> speaking of the debian menu- anyone know how t remove all invalid entries?
[06:00] <trey3> uhh... without the ' 's though...
[06:00] <pvh> trey3: Such a mess. That's one thing I really like about ubuntu.
[06:00] <daniels> trey3: what do you mean, 'most aren't using the new menu spec'?
[06:00] <tritium> pvh, their .desktop files are not setup to work with the new menu setup
[06:01] <wm_eddie> It's an awesome movie
[06:01] <pvh> tritium: Ah, nice.
[06:02] <Crane> can anyone tell me where the printer setup file is located?
[06:02] <trey3> daniels, guess I am wrong if you're disputing... most are going into vfolder related folders still though? I thought that changed?
[06:02] <tritium> Crane, /etc/cups/printers.conf
[06:02] <knghtbrd> great fun, but not much plot
[06:02] <crypticreign> what is in multiverse?
[06:02] <pvh> trey3: Where can I read about how the menus work?
[06:02] <Crane> tritium, Thanks alot!!
[06:02] <tritium> yep
[06:02] <bob2> lyy: remove?  I haven't used it.
[06:02] <pvh> crypticreign: Things that aren't in universe. :)
[06:02] <bob2> pvh: not easily.
[06:02] <bob2> pvh: you can add them because hitting applications:/// in your file manager
[06:03] <bob2> trey3: indeed
[06:03] <knghtbrd> crypticreign: Debian contrib/non-free
[06:03] <crypticreign> ah
[06:03] <liquidhex> Hey.. I installed oidentd through synaptic, and its running in the background, but i updated my /etc/oidentd.conf file and tried to hide my root connection to irc, but its still coming up root@ when i /whois myself..
[06:03] <pvh> bob2: I'll check that out. I'm not sure how I could have ever discovered that otherwise though.
[06:03] <knghtbrd> solution: don't irc as root
[06:03] <knghtbrd> =)
[06:03] <liquidhex> knghtbrd, im only doing that to test
[06:03] <liquidhex> my ~/.oidentd.conf file wont work either
[06:04] <tritium> evolution-exchange is still contacting "localhost", even though I gave it the correct OWA URL
[06:04] <knghtbrd> I use nullidentd
[06:04] <liquidhex> knghtbrd, can you choose and/or randomize your responses with it?
[06:04] <knghtbrd> choose yes
[06:04] <liquidhex> that works for me..
[06:04] <liquidhex> maybe i should try that
[06:05] <knghtbrd> yeah, it's damned simple.  If not for the makefile edit (yumi's not a Linux box), I wouldn't have had to modify the program even a little bit
[06:05] <crypticreign> where can i get w32codecs?
[06:05] <crimsun> crypticreign: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:05] <wm_eddie> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[06:05] <liquidhex> wait a sec
[06:06] <liquidhex> i killed the daemon and restarted it
[06:06] <Surphaze> just installed ubuntu and im having some issues making my nic work, its a linksys wmp54G and google is telling me its only supported by ndiswrapper.  Are the kernel sources on the install cd anywhere?
[06:06] <Surphaze> I can't find them if they are
[06:06] <pvh> You know, instead of prefixing comments with a person's name, it would really make more sense if we prefixed them with a topic.
[06:07] <wm_eddie> Surphaze: I don't think so...
[06:07] <trey3> wm_eddie, bah... old java... most of the rest of that is ok though...
[06:07] <pvh> I guess that's what multiple rooms are for.
[06:07] <lyy> bob2: it says to log in as mythtv and run mythtv-setup. i'm not sure how to log in as mythtv
[06:07] <knghtbrd> pvh: the multiple channels don't work out that way
[06:07] <pvh> knghtbrd: I know...
[06:07] <bob2> lyy: sudo -u mythtv -s
[06:08] <knghtbrd> and it's an irritant to have 7 channels with the same people if you're watching 7 spur of the moment topics
[06:08] <souheil> hi all
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: So true.
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: But if there were tab-completion for "thread names", conversation would be so much easier.
[06:08] <pvh> knghtbrd: And you could mute topics that disinterested you.
[06:08] <knghtbrd> and this is light duty for me
[06:08] <souheil> i need help with X config
[06:08] <Surphaze> so I guess its going to be a whole buch more reboot/download cycles for me :(
[06:08] <souheil> can anybody help me?
[06:08] <trey3> souheil, thats not very specific... whats wrong?
[06:08] <pvh> irc-reform: Your chat program could just have a list of all the prefixes you saw since you logged in.
[06:09] <knghtbrd> souheil: why don't you start .. yeah listen to trey  =)
[06:09] <pvh> irc-reform: That would be just great.
[06:09] <trey3> pvh, I think you're way over thinking IRC...
[06:09] <pvh> irc-reform: Nonsense! How much of your life is spent in IRC?
[06:09] <souheil> i got a s3 trio : (lspci : )0000:00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]  (rev 54)
[06:10] <bzbb> pvh, too much, I need to spend more time climbing mountains
[06:10] <bzbb> souheil, ouch, I'm sorry
[06:10] <knghtbrd> good grief, does xfree4 even support that thing?
[06:10] <pvh> irc-reform: Not really the weather for it right now in my hemisphere.
[06:10] <souheil> the XF86 S3 drv won't work, and i'm now struggling w/ vesa drv
[06:11] <knghtbrd> you may not get that working either
[06:11] <bzbb> irc-reform I just got back from the other hemisphere
[06:11] <bzbb> 3 weeks in chile
[06:11] <lyy> bob2: running  sudo -u mythtv -s mythtv-setup gives me this error : mythtv-setup: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup: cannot execute binary file
[06:11] <wm_eddie> woo I got my nic to work
[06:11] <knghtbrd> The Trio isn't VESA 2 compliant
[06:11] <souheil> bzbb :)) looks like a /.er here
[06:11] <pvh> irc-reform: I'm headed for montreal in a couple weeks, so I'm going in the wrong direction.
[06:11] <lyy> bob2: i tried sudo -u mythtv mythtv-setup , and i get mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
[06:11] <bzbb> irc-reform: autohighlight would be nice, too
[06:12] <bob2> lyy: yes, the former won't work
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: It would be really easy to add...
[06:12] <bob2> nor the latter
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: Any conversations you've added to would be highlighted.
[06:12] <lyy> bob2: i guess i'm sol
[06:12] <bzbb> Irc-reform: if only  Iwas any good at C
[06:12] <bob2> lyy: maybe 'sudo su -m mythtv'
[06:12] <pvh> irc-reform: Hell, maybe I'll hack it into my copy of x-chat tonight.
[06:12] <alainm> what tool should i use to control my wireless connection?
[06:12] <souheil> the pc is an old pii 350mhz, and i need to get mplayer or any other video player running smoothly on it
[06:12] <bzbb> irc-reform: I would want a copy of that
[06:13] <souheil> the vesa drv is slow as hell
[06:13] <knghtbrd> irc-reform: the jam is moldy in the kitchen and the rolling stone gathers no Microsoft commercials
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: still got mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: maybe i should run it as root
[06:13] <knghtbrd> irc-reform: (as you can see, there are still obvious limitations)
[06:13] <lyy> bob2: run mythtv-setup as root that is
[06:13] <bzbb> irc-reform: I was younger than, I'm older than that now!
[06:13] <alainm> how come when i install an application such as amsn using the synaptic package manager is doesn't add it to the menu?
[06:14] <alainm> applications menu that is
[06:14] <pvh> irc-reform: It doesn't change IRC, it just makes it easier to follow a conversation.
[06:14] <bzbb> Irc-reform: human stupidity, willful or not is always a limitation
[06:14] <pvh> irc-reform: Okay, x-chat plugins, let's see.
[06:14] <tritium> lyy, maybe so.  Not everything can be done using sudo (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf has instructions at the top that can't be used using sudo)
[06:14] <lyy> bob2: i guess it was a long long time since you installed this
[06:14] <bob2> lyy: as I said, I never used it
[06:14] <bob2> and this packaging of it seems useless crap
[06:14] <lyy> oh
[06:14] <sm> not sure alainm.. killall gnome-panel will force it
[06:15] <lyy> bob2: i agree hehe
[06:15] <bzbb> irc-reform: x-chat can use perl or python for plugins, wight?
[06:15] <jacquesv> mplayer assistance needed
[06:15] <alainm> sm: i have rebooted though
[06:15] <tritium> I should say cannot be done without some modification to the commands used
[06:15] <jacquesv> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:15] <jacquesv> Illegal instruction
[06:15] <jacquesv> it bombs
[06:15] <bzbb> well, Its bedtime for me
[06:15] <jacquesv> any ideas ?
[06:15] <pvh> irc-reform: I'll be back with a plugin.
[06:15] <bzbb> gotta get up in 8 hours
[06:15] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer what?
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> jacquesv: you probably have the wrong version
[06:16] <bzbb> irc-reform
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> get mplayer-386 to be sure
[06:16] <bzbb> mesg me with the resuslts
[06:16] <jacquesv> did apt-get install mplayer
[06:16] <sm> alainm hmm, then perhaps run the update-menus command manually.. only I don't remember it's name
[06:16] <jacquesv> ok
[06:16] <jacquesv> HrdwrBoB, ok
[06:16] <pvh> bzbb: Will so.
[06:16] <pvh> bzbb: Er, will do.
[06:17] <souheil> jacquesv, what's ur apt repository?
[06:18] <alainm> sm: did that, still nothing.. i have installed a bunch of applications.. and they don't show up.. the only one that does is Xchat
[06:18] <jacquesv> basic
[06:18] <jacquesv> souheil, basic but added multiverse ! me thinks...checking
[06:19] <jacquesv> yes
[06:19] <souheil> jacquesv, can you drop its lines?
[06:19] <stuNNed> will there ever be a generic 'galaxy' repo in ubuntu?
[06:19] <jacquesv> souheil, sources.list ?
[06:19] <sm> like what applications ? only a subset - gnome apps ? - show up in the menu - not all debian apps
[06:19] <souheil> jacquesv, yep
[06:19] <tritium> xine-ui
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[06:20] <jacquesv> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:20] <alainm> sm: pan, kdevelop3, emacs
[06:20] <jacquesv> souheil, basic plus multi
[06:20] <souheil> jacquesv, k
[06:20] <grepper> heh, looks like the grub splash worked after all - strange update-grub kept telling me it couldn't find the image
[06:20] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer -version
[06:20] <alainm> sm: amsn
[06:20] <tritium> grepper, silly update-grub
[06:20] <pvh> trey3: I haven't been able to figure out how xmms-xmplayer adds media-library stuff to xmms...
[06:20] <sm> yeah, emacs should appear in Accessories
[06:21] <grepper> now, how can I get a boot splash that covers the boot up messages ?
[06:21] <jacquesv> souheil MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:21] <alainm> sm: so where does it put the rest?
[06:21] <sm> it will be in the ubuntu bugzilla or the lists I'd say
[06:21] <trey3> pvh, eh... it doesn't... it adds the ability to *play* movies via xmms...
[06:21] <jacquesv> multi-pass
[06:21] <siimo> can someone tell me what is in multiverse?
[06:21] <tritium> grepper, wait for usplash, I'd say
[06:21] <jacquesv> multi-pass
[06:21] <jacquesv> hahaha
[06:21] <trey3> siimo, non-free unsupported software
[06:21] <pvh> trey3: Ohh. I'm looking for a dynamic-playlister.
[06:21] <grepper> tritium: I will be able to use it with warty ?
[06:22] <pvh> trey3: In the style of rhythmbox/itunes/winamp.
[06:22] <tritium> grepper, oh, no, it's going to debut in Hoary
[06:22] <sm> night all
[06:22] <jacquesv> souheil, any ideas
[06:22] <tritium> grepper, there is the bootsplash kernel-patch, if you feel like patching and building a custom kernel
[06:22] <grepper> darn, so I need to patch my kernel I guess, from the limited reading I've done
[06:22] <lyy> bob, the installation of mythtv is like, 10 pages
[06:22] <grepper> tritium: cool, does universe have it ?
[06:23] <jacquesv> all I want is to watch an xvid
[06:23] <souheil> jacquesv, mplayer does crash sometimes, and it prints a lengthy message about possibly why
[06:23] <tritium> grepper, no, I don't see it in ubuntu, even in multiverse
[06:23] <jacquesv> souheil, running from cmdline and ends with Illegal instruction
[06:23] <jacquesv> nada
[06:23] <grepper> ok
[06:23] <souheil> jacquesv, it happens on unsupported to non-thoroughly supported formats
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, think some wmv, qt and such
[06:24] <jacquesv> souheil, can I get it running in verbose mode ?
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, -v :)
[06:24] <tritium> grepper, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8257
[06:24] <jacquesv> souheil, nada
[06:24] <souheil> jacquesv, does it even run some file?
[06:25] <jacquesv> I am just trying to start it up
[06:25] <grepper> tritium: thanks, reading
[06:25] <tritium> sure thing
[06:25] <souheil> jacquesv, whats ur arch?
[06:25] <jacquesv> man I wanna watch Battlestar Gallactica tv series
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, i admit i'm compiling it myself...
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, :)
[06:26] <jacquesv> AMD XP 2600+ Nvidia Ultra 512 MB ATi Radeon 9800 Pro
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, avi i guess?
[06:26] <jacquesv> yes
[06:26] <jacquesv> must say Ubuntu is running fine
[06:26] <souheil> jacquesv, what does mplayer -version say?
[06:27] <jacquesv> souheil, MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[06:27] <jacquesv> I apt'd it
[06:27] <jacquesv> souheil, maybe I should get tarball and compile ?
[06:28] <crimsun> jacquesv: dpkg -l mplayer-custom|grep ^ii
[06:28] <souheil> jacquesv,  that what i always do
[06:28] <jacquesv> mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[06:28] <souheil> jacquesv, just remember that you can get a proper .deb
[06:28] <crimsun> jacquesv: ding.
[06:29] <crimsun> jacquesv: you should be using -k7, not -custom.
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, ?
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, dong
[06:29] <jacquesv> :)
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, aaah
[06:29] <souheil> jacquesv, if you fakeroot debian/rules binary
[06:29] <siimo> hi why do other mirrors than the official one has md5 mismatch? please help? official mirror is too slow for me
[06:29] <jacquesv> crimsun, how do I switch
[06:30] <crimsun> jacquesv: install -k7 and remove -custom
[06:30] <jacquesv> souheil, not familiar with fakeroot ?
[06:30] <jacquesv> crimsun, ok
[06:30] <liquidhex> What is the VGA font for terminals a part of?
[06:30] <siimo> Failed to fetch http://mirrors.wamug.org.au/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[06:30] <siimo> whats that??
[06:31] <souheil> jacquesv, just makes debian/rules think that you're root, a necessity for .deb making w/o being root
[06:31] <jacquesv> souheil, ok
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, where can I get k7 version
[06:32] <jacquesv> souheil,  k7  ? do I have to compile this version
[06:32] <crimsun> jacquesv: same place you got custom
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, multiverse?
[06:32] <jacquesv> crimsun, aint there
[06:32] <siimo> ?!?
[06:32] <crimsun> jacquesv: for what, hoary? warty?
[06:32] <crimsun> siimo: what about the official repo?
[06:32] <jacquesv> warty
[06:33] <crimsun> jacquesv: the instructions for RestrictedFormats have an update
[06:33] <siimo> crimsun, official is fine but other mirrors arent
[06:33] <souheil> jacquesv, thats weird
[06:34] <souheil> jacquesv, -custom saysThis version is for your own machine :-)
[06:35] <souheil> crimsun, does ur experience confirm the comment in the pkg?
[06:35] <jacquesv> souheil, strange
[06:35] <jacquesv> the plot thickens
[06:35] <crimsun> souheil: which comment?
[06:36] <souheil> jacquesv, -custom says his version is for your own machine :-)
[06:36] <jacquesv> crimsun, u have a link to this ?
[06:36] <jacquesv> souheil, for AMD ?
[06:36] <crimsun> jacquesv: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:36] <souheil> crimsun, sorry! This version is for your own machine :-)
[06:36] <crimsun> jacquesv: "Where to get DVDCSS/xvid/other legally questionable packages
[06:37] <souheil> jacquesv, previous msg wrong
[06:37] <wm_eddie> Damn!
[06:38] <souheil> crimsun, do you actually need dvdcss?
[06:38] <da_bon_bon> hey i wanna intreoduce a frnd to linux and he has a live cd. he cant change his bios setting to boot and i cant explain well. any suggestions ?
[06:38] <crimsun> souheil: if you plan to play DVDs directly from mplayer, yes
[06:38] <souheil> crimsun, i just played dune dvd, w/o it!!
[06:39] <crimsun> souheil: using a static binary of mplayer?
[06:39] <alainm> so is anyone else having this problem with applications not showing up in the Applications menu?
[06:39] <wm_eddie> Where do I put what alsaconf put in /etc/alsa/modutils/0.9 ?
[06:39] <souheil> crimsun, unless it's included in libdvdnav or libdvdread
[06:39] <souheil> crimsun, no
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, i compiled it myself a few hours ago
[06:40] <crimsun> wm_eddie: eh? ubuntu handles that for you.
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, and the same thing, for my debian-ppc ibook
[06:40] <souheil> crimsun, it's really weird...
[06:42] <wm_eddie> crimsun: no my sound card is strange.
[06:42] <jacquesv> crimsun,
[06:42] <twisted_steel> is there any way to forcefully remove a broken package from my system?
[06:42] <crimsun> twisted_steel: how broken is it?
[06:42] <jacquesv> crimsun, so I have to use mplayer-k7 ? what of mplayer-i686
[06:42] <crimsun> jacquesv: your arch is k7, so use k7.
[06:42] <jmhodges> gah, anyone have a working libgtksourceview-cil ?
[06:42] <jmhodges> deb i mean
[06:42] <jmhodges> heh
[06:43] <twisted_steel> crimsun: the removal didn't work; it removes files and then tries to remove them again, and they are of course already gone
[06:43] <twisted_steel> crimsun: so dpkg fails
[06:43] <jacquesv> crimsun, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?
[06:43] <trey3> jacquesv, -686 is for p2 and above... -k7 is for AMD...
[06:43] <jacquesv> trey3, fails dependancy says needs -k6 ?
[06:43] <trey3> jacquesv, yuh... people don't seem to get that he deprecated -k7  :/
[06:43] <crimsun> jacquesv: please tell me you didn't click the url on the web page.
[06:44] <crimsun> jacquesv: please tell me instead you added it as a repo in Synaptic (or edited /etc/apt/sources.list manually)
[06:44] <jacquesv> I did to find out what packages he had then added to my apt sources
[06:44] <jacquesv> yes
[06:44] <crimsun> jacquesv: what did you add?
[06:44] <jacquesv> crimsun, i did add the uri testing main
[06:45] <crimsun> jacquesv: did you read directly below that?
[06:45] <jacquesv> I am runnign apt-get install mplayer-k7
[06:45] <twisted_steel> crimsun: I touched the files in an attempt to get it to pick them up, but it tries to remove one of them at least 2 times
[06:45] <trey3> jacquesv, if you have an AMD processor... apt-get install mplayer-k6 ...
[06:45] <jacquesv> crimsun, apparently not !!!
[06:45] <jacquesv> crimsun, "debian-marillat repository's packages were rebuilt against newer packages that aren't available in Warty"
[06:46] <trey3> jacquesv, use testing...  :
[06:46] <jacquesv> crimsun, doh!
[06:46] <crimsun> jacquesv: continue reading.
[06:46] <jacquesv> crimsun, yes ....
[06:48] <jacquesv> crimsun, the light goes on!
[06:49] <jacquesv> whats the deal with audio/video and Ubuntu ?
[06:49] <stuNNed> crimsun: know if when hoary ships fbsplash will be enabled and if so will default gnome-terminal background be the fbsplash image file?
[06:49] <jacquesv> is the licensing ?????
[06:49] <jacquesv> trey3, hmmm
[06:50] <wm_eddie> Damn now when I unmute PCM I get loud noises...
[06:50] <Guardiann> jacquesv yep its the licensing
[06:50] <crimsun> stuNNed: to be honest, I have no idea; jdub probably has a much clearer idea.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok thanks
[06:51] <stuNNed> brb
[06:51] <jacquesv> aaahhhhhhhhhh crap
[06:52] <jacquesv> I get mplayer
[06:52] <jacquesv> wont play my avi ????
[06:52] <crimsun> jacquesv: did you install w32codecs?
[06:52] <jacquesv> ohhh uuuuh
[06:52] <jacquesv> :_(
[06:53] <neighborlee> does a full upgrade to hoary cause any weirdness I should prepare for ?LOL
[06:53] <jacquesv> bloody 'ell....hoary ? who chooses the names ?
[06:53] <neighborlee> lol
[06:53] <neighborlee> maybe one of the devs last names ..ha
[06:53] <jacquesv> we'll be the laughing stock of the linux community
[06:54] <wm_eddie> Who chooses the wallpapers ><
[06:54] <wm_eddie> hehe
[06:54] <wm_eddie> I love this distro
[06:54] <neighborlee> jacquesv,heh
[06:54] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, I do, why ?
[06:54] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, haha just kidden
[06:54] <jacquesv> neighborlee, hey
[06:56] <wm_eddie> c'mon sound work!
[06:56] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, I had that problem....till I went to mixer and turned up the levels
[06:56] <jacquesv> wm_eddie, doh!
[06:57] <wm_eddie> when I turn them up, I get static
[06:58] <Shinigami> hello everyone.  I have a new instalation (warty) and I seem to be haveing some dificulty surfing and would like some sugestions.  My connection seems ok with ping, IRC clients, but the browsers take forever (about a min) to load anything.  Gaim also took a bit to log-on, but is very responsive after that.  Any thoughts for a new Ubuntu user?I have a fair understanding of computers, but only a moderate level of Linux, so an
[06:58] <Shinigami> y help is appreciated.
[06:59] <wm_eddie> I think I heard of that before.
[06:59] <wm_eddie> something about IPv6
[06:59] <Shinigami> probally
[07:00] <Shinigami> wm_eddie: my friend was trying to help me yesturday when I could not log in myself.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> I remember the fix being something like changing a line in the chrome configuration or something.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> try a google search for firefox or mozilla IPv6 problem
[07:01] <Guardiann> the fix is at www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:01] <Shinigami> *nods* ok, thank you.  I'll be bak :)
[07:01] <Shinigami> Both of you.
[07:02] <Guardiann> yw
[07:03] <wm_eddie> sigh, I'll never get this thing working right.
[07:04] <trey3> wm_eddie, hardware plugged into right place (no seriously) ... mic muted? fiddle with mixer settings till static is gone...
[07:05] <wm_eddie> trey3: yup everything is in order.
[07:05] <wm_eddie> the static only happens when a sound plays. (but the static never stops)
[07:05] <wm_eddie> something is not configured right...
[07:05] <VenomousGecko> Hey guys
[07:05] <trey3> wm_eddie, somethings wrong... sound card is working though... else you wouldn't get static... gotta be an alsa issue...
[07:05] <calamari> hi
[07:05] <VenomousGecko> I am having an issue with an install on an Inspiron 8000
[07:06] <wm_eddie> I would get the same sound after waking from suspend on SuSE 8.2
[07:06] <wm_eddie> sometimes.
[07:06] <VenomousGecko> Anyone interested in hearing my story :P
[07:06] <souheil> any one with s3 trio issue w/ Xf86 s3 drv?
[07:06] <trey3> wm_eddie, definatly up-stream alsa issue then... should report it somewhere...
[07:07] <wm_eddie> Nobody cares about this old 600E anymore
[07:07] <wm_eddie> Funny thing is it only stops when I mute PCM
[07:08] <wm_eddie> and if I turn up In-gain the right speaker also starts doing the static thing
[07:08] <calamari> still messing w/ the boot disk.  Anyone used syslinux before?  The kernel starts booting, then complains that I don't have a correct "root=" entry.  I'm using "root=/dev/hda1 ro"
[07:08] <froust> anyone know where i can download icons for firefox to replace the ones that come with ubuntu?
[07:08] <wm_eddie> Themes?
[07:09] <wm_eddie> or do you mean the Firefox icons in GTK?
[07:09] <jacquesv> aaah
[07:09] <wm_eddie> or gnome rather
[07:09] <VenomousGecko> Is anyone aware of an issues with certain keys (ie the fn+font combo) causing ubuntu to freeze on Dell Inspiron 8000?
[07:09] <jacquesv> I got maplayer up but wont play my xvid file
[07:10] <wrd> do you mean mplayer ?
[07:10] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: do any other players?  are you sure your xvid is ok?
[07:10] <jacquesv> wrd yes
[07:10] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, well I only have mplayer
[07:10] <wrd> what does mplayer say (try starting it in the commandline?)
[07:11] <jacquesv> wrd I am
[07:11] <jacquesv> hang on
[07:11] <Guardiann> jacquesv have you installed the codecs
[07:11] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: try totem-xine or vlc?
[07:11] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: try with gmplayer for gui mplayer?
[07:11] <souheil> jacquesv, there's libxvidcore on multi
[07:12] <parmin> hello there
[07:12] <parmin> i've installed apache 1.33 and php as cgi
[07:12] <parmin> but all i've get is error messages
[07:12] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, tried gmplayer...
[07:13] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: just get totem-xine and see if that works... apt-get install totem-xine should install codecs needed, and mplayer should work after that too ;)
[07:13] <bur[n] er> assuming your xvid is ok
[07:15] <grepper> hey bur[n] er :)
[07:16] <bur[n] er> didn't know you were an ubuntu guy these days
[07:16] <grepper> yeah, well it is well suited to this machine I am giving to my nephew
[07:16] <bur[n] er> right on
[07:16] <grepper> simple menu's, not too much cruft installed
[07:17] <bur[n] er> for sure
[07:17] <bur[n] er> i hope he doesn't burn cds ;)
[07:17] <jacquesv> duuuuuuuuude
[07:17] <jacquesv> its working
[07:17] <jacquesv> wooooohooooo
[07:17] <jacquesv> heeeehhaaa
[07:17] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: what'd you do?
[07:17] <grepper> he's a Mac user, so he will like these silly little windows that pop up all over the place :)
[07:17] <jacquesv> started from cmdline
[07:18] <bur[n] er> huh... good work
[07:18] <jacquesv> battlestar galactica
[07:18] <jacquesv> cylons
[07:18] <jacquesv> sure are pretty
[07:19] <bur[n] er> jacquesv: i would suggest teh Industrial skin for mplayer :)
[07:19] <bur[n] er> makes more gnomey
[07:19] <jacquesv> bur[n] er, thx getting it
[07:20] <bur[n] er> sure
[07:21] <wrd> good night
[07:21] <siimo> can someone post a list of ubuntu mirrors where there is no md5sum mismatch?
[07:22] <Coglike_> can nautilus display a webpage as my desktop background?
[07:22] <trey3> Coglike_, not that I know of...
[07:22] <ThreeShot> like active desktop on windows?
[07:23] <Coglike_> ThreeShot: yah.
[07:23] <Coglike_> i was thinking now that there's nothing on my desktop, i want my rss on there.
[07:23] <ThreeShot> mabye...I think you can set an image from the net directly as wallpaper, but I dunno about an actual web page.
[07:23] <bur[n] er> for rss, you could use gdesklets
[07:24] <Zotnix> Ick
[07:24] <Zotnix> Bit slow.
[07:24] <Coglike_> gdesklets seems like overkill for this
[07:24] <Zotnix> Blam is very nice.
[07:24] <bur[n] er> i know nothing of blam
[07:24] <Coglike_> and they always ass up and eat my memory.
[07:24] <Surphaze> this is really causing a lot of pain, I found this as far as setup for trying to use ndiswrapper https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper the issue is just the linux-image on the cdrom doesn't seem to be enough to build ndiswrapper but because ncurses-devel not available configuring the kernel from kernel.org source is a real pain
[07:24] <Zotnix> Oh, on your desktop
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> ndwisrapper is in the repositoruy
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> you shouldn't need to build it
[07:25] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, im pretty much a newbie to ubuntu but im not seeing it in synaptic
[07:25] <Surphaze> I only have the cdrom repository
[07:25] <souheil> a ciao all
[07:25] <Coglike_> blam, liferea, gdesklets, they don't really get to the heart of the problem, which is. i'm really good at html and css. and i want to use those skills to make my desktop look pretty.
[07:25] <Surphaze> because I have no internet connection
[07:26] <Surphaze> in ubuntu yet
[07:26] <Coglike_> can i set a browser to use the root window?
[07:26] <ShyGuy91284> Anyone here know what desktop the Ubuntu LiveCD uses?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> sorry Coglike_, i know nothing of it :\
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> Surphaze: install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> like this
[07:26] <trey3> ShyGuy91284, uhh... GNOME?
[07:26] <bur[n] er> ShyGuy91284: gnome
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils and linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:27] <Coglike_> bur[n] er: yah, but its there all the time anyways.
[07:27] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to share a folder on this machine, but if somone create's a file, the default group is his, i want it tobe of the group that is of the current folder it resides (and if he create's a folder, it would do it recursivly) any ideas?
[07:27] <ShyGuy91284> K.  Thanks.  I need to do a presentation on Gnome, and a LiveCD is the best way.  Cya.
[07:27] <Coglike_> bur[n] er: even a calendar there would be better than just nothing
[07:27] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: i'm looking for the same thing... you can do it with samba i know... are they putting files there via samba?
[07:28] <bur[n] er> sorry Coglike_
[07:28] <Kirsch> no
[07:28] <wm_eddie> Why isn't the gnome-pilot program working
[07:28] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, its not there, package not found
[07:28] <Kirsch> any method, i know it's a chmod command i can run.
[07:29] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, I do have linux-restricted-modules
[07:29] <bur[n] er> force group = group  <--- put that in /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:29] <Surphaze> HrdwrBoB, and I already have it installed
[07:29] <HrdwrBoB> Kirsch: man chmod will tell you
[07:29] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: it's a chown actually... chown -R user:group blah
[07:29] <Kirsch> HrdwrBoB: no it doesn't.
[07:29] <bur[n] er> -R == recursive of course
[07:30] <Kirsch> bur[n] er: no, if u have a directory Kirsch:www and user blah is in www, and he create's a folder in this folder, the permissions will be blah:blah, not blah:www
[07:30] <bur[n] er> Kirsch: if he creates that file through samba and you have a force group = www then it will do it
[07:30] <nico__> t
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> Kirsch: chmod 2755 dir will do it
[07:30] <trey3> Surphaze, I see 'ndiswrapper-utils' and 'ndiswrapper-source'... makes sure universe and multiverse is activated...
[07:31] <bur[n] er> but i dont' know how to do it if they create it locally or through ftp or scp or whatever, only samba :\
[07:31] <Surphaze> trey3, that requires having the internet working to grab from tho right?
[07:31] <Surphaze> all I have is the base install pretty much
[07:32] <trey3> Surphaze, uhh... yeah, it would...
[07:32] <trey3> Surphaze, but you're online... hold on...
[07:32] <calamari> anyone know if grub uses /boot/initrd* ?
[07:32] <Kirsch> HrdwrBoB: thanks! that's what i wanted.
[07:33] <trey3> Surphaze, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/ndiswrapper/   <-- you can put that on disc... and one more... hold on again...
[07:34] <calamari> maybe I should just ask this straight out.. are there any facilities to make a working boot disk in Ubuntu?  I tried mkboot, but the result did not boot up
[07:34] <trey3> Surphaze, nm... says thats where -utils is too... but I don't see it  :/
[07:35] <stuNNed> why does rescue mode mount root partition rw?
[07:36] <Surphaze> trey3, damn would be easy to install if I was on the net, but can't get on the net from there :(
[07:36] <Surphaze> nasty little loop
[07:36] <trey3> stuNNed, kinda pointless editing files (what you would likely do in rescue mode) if they are ro...
[07:36] <trey3> Surphaze, you can download them wherever you are... and use sneaker net to get them to the linux machine...
[07:37] <stuNNed> trey3: something like what redhat does is nice, give the option to chroot in and have rw or not.
[07:37] <Surphaze> trey3, where can I find the debs then?
[07:37] <trey3> Surphaze, I just showed you.
[07:37] <Surphaze> ah sorry
[07:37] <stuNNed> trey3: can't run fsck when rw
[07:38] <Surphaze> trey3, thats just the sources tho, im going to hit the same problem
[07:38] <trey3> stuNNed, fsck is ran on boot generally anyways  :/
[07:38] <trey3> Surphaze, not really... install and read docs...
[07:38] <stuNNed> trey3: can it be forced to run?
[07:38] <Surphaze> ok I'll give it a shot, but not optimistic
[07:39] <trey3> Surphaze, ndiswrapper lets you install windows wireless drivers... you know this correct?
[07:39] <trey3> stuNNed, umm... never tried...
[07:39] <Surphaze> yes
[07:39] <Surphaze> trey3, yes
[07:40] <Surphaze> trey3, googling for my wireless card is supposedly the only way my card will work
[07:40] <trey3> stuNNed, never had issues with filesystems really with Unix...
[07:40] <trey3> Surphaze, yeah... no
[07:40] <Surphaze> trey3, yeah... no?
[07:41] <trey3> Surphaze, they were basically saying "I'm too lazy to tell you" or "I don't really know, I just want to seem smart"...
[07:43] <Surphaze> trey3, you know this even if I haven't told you which card it is?
[07:43] <Surphaze> I mean if I don't need ndiswrapper thats great
[07:43] <Surphaze> but I haven't found anything pointing that way
[07:43] <trey3> Surphaze, I don't even know what wireless card you're using...
[07:43] <trey3> Surphaze, but ndiswrapper will work with any that aren't supported by linux...
[07:44] <Surphaze> right
[07:44] <lyy> i want to choke the packager of mythtv.
[07:44] <trey3> bob2, mythtv help?
[07:45] <Surphaze> trey3: linksys wpc54g I am saying it doesn't seem supported by linux but there are forum posts saying it works in ndiswrapper
[07:45] <lyy> trey3: i think i need to start up and run mysql at least once
[07:45] <Surphaze> trey3, you confused me with the "yeah... no" thing
[07:45] <trey3> Surphaze, I was being sarcastic...
[07:46] <Surphaze> ok
[07:46] <duzchip> Hello guys!
[07:46] <trey3> Surphaze, like I said... they were basically telling you to look it up youself... such comments are why #debian got the reputation it has today...
[07:46] <JoePenguin> hi duzchip
[07:46] <duzchip> I'm up for another 15 hours of idling :P
[07:46] <trey3> duzchip, hey
[07:46] <lyy> trey3: if i compared the time it takes to figure out to record on linux compared to windows, i feel like shooting myself
[07:47] <bob2> trey3: as I said twice, earlier, I've never used it.
[07:47] <Surphaze> trey3, but im saying I looked it up before I asked :)
[07:47] <duzchip> This is probably the nicest channel online. I have never had anyone greeting me before ;P
[07:47] <Surphaze> trey3: looking it up got me this way
[07:47] <trey3> bob2, ahh... I'm sorry... didn't see you say that  :(
[07:47] <duzchip> That's Ubuntu-people for'ya :P
[07:47] <kuru> I would like to gave gaim with encryption
[07:47] <JoePenguin> duzchip: I'm generally a nice person, but even I get annoyed sometimes :)
[07:48] <kuru> I can't seem to be able to install it without breaking the system
[07:48] <duzchip> JoePengui: I guess most people do :P
[07:48] <trey3> kuru, which are you installing?
[07:48] <neighborlee> trey3, and thankfullly why we dont have that reputation ..whew
[07:49] <JoePenguin> duzchip: I was looking at my ifconfig a moment ago and I was suprised to see that Ubuntu had ipv6 configured without me doing anything.
[07:49] <kuru> trey3: gaim-crypt or something
[07:50] <duzchip> JoePenguin: I think that Ubuntu is one of the few distros that's fighting to get IPv6 accepted and used
[07:50] <kuru> trey3, gaim-encryption_1.0.1+2.31-1_i386.deb
[07:50] <duzchip> JoePenguin: IPv6 still aint all developed but I think it should work just fine
[07:51] <trey3> kuru, there is another encryption plugin... tried that?
[07:52] <trey3> kuru, http://gaim-e.sourceforge.net/   <-- stronger encryption...
[07:52] <zenrox> install the dev of gaim then compile the gaim-encription plugin
[07:53] <trey3> kuru, also... look into SILC... gaim has support for this... secure also...
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: that one has that pluging
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: all I want is to jabber using encryption
[07:55] <kuru> trey3: is there an ubuntu package for that?
[07:55] <kuru> that's all there is to it
[07:55] <kuru> I don't care who makes it or how
[07:56] <trey3> kuru, for SILC? grrr... Gaim in Ubuntu doesn't seem to have compiled SILC support in  :/
[07:57] <kuru> trey3: so now when I install any other deb that breaks ubuntu (all it does is report brokeage) I can't install anything else without removing it
[07:58] <kuru> even though it doesn't _really_ break anything.. simply requires a package that isn't there (the package is there with 'ubuntu' affixed to the name whereas it's a debian pacakge so it doesn't have it)
[07:58] <kuru> and so it just sucks
[07:58] <kuru> ubuntu should have the encrypted version
[07:58] <kuru> who uses jabber without encryption anyway?
[07:58] <trey3> kuru, used to come with the encryption plugin.... I think they just don't compile it in?
[07:59] <pertz> Are there any ubuntu fans here who use to be die hard Debian people?
[07:59] <trey3> (or maybe fedora folks just compile it in... dunno..)
[07:59] <trey3> pertz, yeah...
[07:59] <kuru> pertz: people actually use fedora?
[07:59] <Martok> Hey dudes, I have a question.
[07:59] <Martok> LOL, I used Fedora Core.
[08:00] <trey3> kuru, yes... its rather nice actually... but whatever... off subject..
[08:00] <pertz> I've been considering ubantu lately because I don't like running Debian unstable due to the lack of security support, and the stable version just isn't cutting it due to age.
[08:00] <Martok> I thought it was cool until I realized it was just a test bed for Redhat developers to try new stuff.
[08:00] <kuru> pertz: I use ubuntu on my workstation and debian for my servers.
[08:01] <trey3> pertz, most security stuff is already in the packages in sid...
[08:01] <pertz> Still debian on the servers then?
[08:01] <kuru> pertz: and some Gentoo thrown in there.. and a little bit of FreeBSD ;)
[08:01] <Martok> Hey, does anybody know how play 2 sounds at the sametime?
[08:01] <kuru> pertz: everyone's got a different way of seeing things. Depends on your requirements.
[08:01] <trey3> Martok, buy a decent sound card?  ;)
[08:01] <Martok> trey3: No, it works in Windows.
[08:02] <jdz_> Martok: You need to use a sound daemon.  Like ESD :)
[08:02] <Martok> Ok, I'll search for ESD.
[08:02] <Martok> I hope it's easy to configure.
[08:03] <pertz> Well security is a have to, so unstable doesn't quite cut it (even though I've always claimed Debian's "unstable" was as good as anyone else's "stable", but it's getting to the point where I'm having to compile a lot of crap by hand and try and watch security updates myself while running stable. I know they're close to a release, but I anticipate being in the same situation again another 1-2 years from now....
[08:03] <jdz_> Martok: It's part of Gnome, so it should be install and working.  You'll just need to have whichever applications your using output to ESD instead of directly to ALSA or OSS
[08:03] <trey3> jdz_, if he's using Ubuntu (one can assume he is) ... esd is being used by default... and uhh, well - going by his question - its still not working  :/
[08:03] <Martok> Yeah.
[08:03] <Martok> How do I configure it?
[08:03] <kuru> pertz: I think of Ubuntu as 'just another branch of Debian'
[08:03] <kuru> pertz: it has yet to deviate from that
[08:03] <Martok> I guess it doesn't work with my card?
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: Which applications are you trying to get to play sound at the same time?
[08:04] <kuru> pertz: so, if that's what you're looking for, Ubuntu is right for you.
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: It should work with any card.  But an application might not be using ESD.
[08:04] <Martok> I want the Gnome sounds to play, but still beable to listen to music in XMMS.
[08:04] <trey3> pertz, seriously, most security updates are just backported from new packages... take into account that the devels use sid in most cases... you think they want security holes?
[08:04] <kuru> pertz: and Debian's unstable is not as good as anyone's stable (unless you're talking MS).. it can get quite messy.
[08:04] <jdz_> Martok: Ah!  Right.  Go into XMMS's output settings.  There should be a drop-down box, select ESD
[08:04] <pertz> Well, what's ubantu's equivalent of dselect? And how good it ubantu's attention to security?
[08:04] <Martok> Oh, thank you.
[08:05] <whiprush> dselect, aptitude, and synaptic are all available
[08:05] <crimsun> pertz: you can use dselect if you wish.
[08:05] <kuru> dselect is crap
[08:05] <trey3> kuru, I ran Debian Unstable for 4 years... rarely a huge issue...
[08:05] <Martok> Output plugin?
[08:05] <crimsun> kuru: ...subjectively. :)
[08:05] <pertz> I've run unstable before too with really good results.
[08:05] <randabis> hey someone see if this works
[08:05] <randabis> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mmpr2.ogg
[08:05] <trey3> pertz, dselect is even being deprecated in Debian in favor of Aptitude... Ubuntu comes with this...
[08:05] <jdz_> Martok: The basic theroy is you can only have one application outputting sound to the card at once (unless it has hardware mixing).  So to get mutiple applications, you need a sound daemon (like ESD) to do software mixing.  If an application tries to output directly to the sound card, it won't work.
[08:06] <trey3> s/this/both/
[08:06] <pertz> Just afraid to run it on a critical production box - I've kept it on the edges.
[08:06] <Martok> Oh, ok.
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: sure.. but not on a server
[08:06] <Martok> So is Gnome outputing directly?
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: that can cause havoc
[08:06] <pertz> Yea, I know, they're phasing dselect :P
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: cause there have been times when it was _very_ unstable
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: broken pacakges, etc.
[08:06] <kuru> trey3: most of the time it's smooth
[08:06] <jdz_> Martok: ESD is outputting directly.  Everything else needs to output to ESD, which does the mixing.
[08:06] <crimsun> hoary has had its share of zaniness as well.
[08:06] <trey3> kuru, apt-listbugs is your friend  :/
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: and you can certainly afford to do that on a workstation (I have always ran it on my workstation)
[08:07] <Martok> Is ESD eSound?
[08:07] <whiprush> yes
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: not enough.. what if you wanted a particular package.. something came up.. whatever.
[08:07] <randabis> :/
[08:07] <trey3> crimsun, only bad issue for me thus far was the menu's... and even that was workable...
[08:07] <kuru> trey3: this is not acceptable on a production level server.
[08:07] <pertz> Ubantu doesn't track all of the packages debian does though right? And I'm guessing if I grabbed the debian version of one I'm suddently going to be looking at a lot of dependancy problems?
[08:08] <kuru> pertz: yes, mostly due to package namings
[08:08] <crimsun> pertz: it's quite possible that you'll run into dependency issues.
[08:08] <Martok> Ok, thanks jdz_, and trey3.
[08:08] <kuru> pertz: so you might want to grab the debian source, modify, re-generate the .deb and install ;)
[08:08] <jdz_> pertz: You can enable Ubuntu's Universe, and get all of Debians packages
[08:08] <kuru> trey3: did you say gaim-e.sf.net ?
[08:08] <jdz_> pertz: Ubuntu doesn't support all of Debian's packages though, only the one's in Ubuntu's main.
[08:08] <trey3> kuru, yeah
[08:09] <kuru> trey3: can't find it
[08:09] <pertz> So how good is their package coverage compared to debian? And does anyone know anything about progress on efforts to compile source packages on the fly to try to fix some of the versioning problems?
[08:09] <kuru> nevermind
[08:09] <trey3> kuru, *shrug* copy and paste from the site  :/
[08:09] <whiprush> pertz: universe is basically the rest of debian compiled for ubuntu.
[08:09] <jdz_> pertz: Everything in Debian is in Ubuntu's universe. :)
[08:09] <jdz_> pertz: Enable universe and you'll be all set.
[08:10] <trey3> jdz_, not utterly true... for instance... no 'alsaconf'...
[08:10] <pertz> So what does universe do? Just a translation between package names or something?
[08:10] <crimsun> (alsaconf was removed for being "mostly useless")
[08:10] <jdz_> trey3: interesting.  I did not know that.
[08:10] <trey3> pertz, Universe = Unsupported Free software...
[08:10] <trey3> pertz, Multiverse = Unsupported Non-Free software
[08:11] <lyy> hehe, this is so cool
[08:11] <lyy> all my programs are run in memory
[08:11] <pertz> Okay, but if it's pulling from debian packages that aren't supported by ubantu, what's going on with the dependancies?
[08:11] <trey3> crimsun, haha... bah... still, its not there... but is in Debian  :/
[08:11] <lyy> i still got 200 megs of ram left to use
[08:11] <Martok> Does Synaptic have all the available packages from the Ubuntu repositories?
[08:12] <trey3> pertz, they are met... just don't expect them to work... basically a frozen sid... so you're back where you started kinda...
[08:12] <pertz> So it pretends they're met without checking?
[08:13] <trey3> pertz, warty = an ~3 month old Sid with patches etc for packages that are supported....
[08:13] <trey3> pertz, no... they are met...
[08:13] <jdz_> pertz: Basicly, Universe is a snapshot of Debian Sid at the time of release, with everything compiled to work with Ubuntu.
[08:13] <pertz> but it's all straight out of frozen (or unstable later on?) without security patches or anything else?
[08:14] <trey3> pertz, think of main contrib and non-free.... if you want something in non-free, it doesn't "pretend" its there if its not enabled... simular response... its still apt-get  :/
[08:15] <pertz> So all of the packages are recompiled, just not checked or something in the universe?
[08:15] <trey3> pertz, Security Updates are _only_ made to the software that is in main and restricted
[08:15] <pertz> Okay.
[08:15] <pertz> What's restricted?
[08:15] <trey3> (restricted = non-free supported... basically hardware drivers etc)
[08:15] <pertz> Ah.
[08:15] <trey3> pertz, knew you would ask  :P
[08:16] <jdz_> Not every package can be supported by Ubuntu directly, because there are so damn many.  That doesn't mean the ones in Universe won't work though.  Infact I've never had proublems with Universe so far.
[08:16] <pertz> So at the end of the day, ubantu is the next step up from running debian frozen (or unstable), but still doesn't quite go all the way to the top?
[08:17] <trey3> pertz, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view  <-- read, and keep in mind concept of main contrib and non-free in Debian...
[08:17] <jdz_> Well, with Ubuntu, your garanteed 6 month releases AND all the packages avabale in Debian.
[08:18] <bob2> well, most of them
[08:18] <trey3> jdz_, thats _never_ a good thing on a server  :/
[08:18] <bob2> and debian main (which gets security support) is a lot bigger than ubuntu's supported suite
[08:19] <jdz_> debian main is also something like 3 years old eh.
[08:19] <trey3> bob2, yes... but its not garenteed that sid security patches are actually in those packages though...
[08:19] <bob2> trey3: sure
[08:19] <bob2> I'm talking about stable.
[08:20] <trey3> bob2, eh... sid packages get the same security stuff... they just don't seperate it out...
[08:21] <calamari> hi
[08:21] <trey3> calamari, hi
[08:21] <bob2> trey3: er, no
[08:21] <bob2> they get seperate uploads
[08:21] <calamari> is there a way I can pause booting so I can read the messages before they scroll off?
[08:21] <pertz> Can ubantu do a text only install or is it married to the graphics gui now?
[08:21] <setite> what is a good thing for a noob to read that tells you all abotu linux?
[08:21] <calamari> I've tried using shift-pgup, but eventually it goes off the scrollback
[08:22] <bob2> pertz: you mean "can the installed system be text-only?"?
[08:22] <trey3> pertz, it only does text still... its debian-installer  :/
[08:22] <setite> this kid doesnt know anything... what DOS is, MBR, etc....
[08:22] <calamari> and also shift-pgup stops working once it gets to the ubuntu login prompt
[08:22] <bob2> setite: I hear o'reilly's "linux in a nutshell" is good
[08:22] <crimsun> setite: ora.com has articles and various books.
[08:22] <trey3> pertz, 'custom' to edit package selection etc...
[08:22] <whiprush> calamari: look in /var/log/dmesg
[08:22] <pertz> Anything linux oriented written by o'reilly tends to be good.
[08:23] <poningru> hey how do I turn on 3dnow and sse in my atholon, for some reason its not enabled
[08:23] <bob2> trey3: no
[08:23] <poningru> anyone?
[08:23] <bob2> poningru: I'm 99% sure it's not possible to disable
[08:24] <trey3> bob2, oh... only person I recognize in #kubuntu :o
[08:24] <crimsun> poningru: look in the flags of /proc/cpuinfo
[08:24] <calamari> is there a way tofind out whether ide disk support is a module or built into the kernel?
[08:24] <bob2> calamari: it's a module in ubuntu kernels
[08:24] <calamari> aha
[08:24] <crimsun> calamari: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK
[08:24] <trey3> calamari, you can look through /boot/config-`uname -r`
[08:24] <poningru> ok
[08:25] <calamari> thats probably why I can't boot from these boot disks then
[08:25] <calamari> wonder whose bright idea that was.. hehe
[08:25] <poningru> oh heh
[08:26] <poningru> it is flagged
[08:26] <poningru> hmm
[08:26] <bob2> the ubuntu disks use an initrd to avoid that
[08:26] <bob2> poningru: why do you think it's disabled?
[08:26] <calamari> the initrd is 4mb .. way too big for a floppy
[08:26] <bob2> then you need a custom kernel
[08:26] <pertz> Does universe pull from more sources than just Debian?
[08:26] <bob2> no
[08:26] <trey3> calamari, default kernels are build to the lowest common denominator... having it built in would probably upset people who don't need it?
[08:26] <bob2> well, "99.99% no"
[08:27] <trey3> calamari, I don't really see why having it as a module would break booting from a bootdisk though  :/
[08:27] <bob2> trey3: some drivers conflict when built in, too
[08:27] <trey3> bob2, that too...
[08:27] <pertz> Okay, didn't think they'd be wiring up anything new there, but that page made it sound like a distinct possibility.
[08:27] <poningru> bob: I dont know, I saw it in some conf file and it wasnt enabled
[08:28] <trey3> pertz, multiverse does... universe is only the rest of Debian though...
[08:28] <pertz> So, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)
[08:28] <calamari> trey3: dunno either.. but I saw this page: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/09/msg00574.html
[08:29] <calamari> trey3: thats the exact error I get (the bottom one), when I try to boot
[08:29] <calamari> (from the boot disk)
[08:29] <bob2> poningru: what conf file?
[08:30] <Local_man> ubuntu runs badly on a 200 mhz system with 64 mb ram
[08:30] <trey3> calamari, is /boot located on /dev/hda1?
[08:30] <poningru> dont remember
[08:30] <poningru> let me look
[08:30] <calamari> trey3: yes
[08:30] <trey3> calamari, uhh... that error disagrees...
[08:30] <bob2> Local_man: no
[08:30] <pertz> *Ignores the 200mhz 64MB box next to him running Debian...
[08:30] <bob2> Local_man: gnome will run badly on that
[08:30] <poningru> bob2: ah nm it wasnt a conf file
[08:30] <Local_man> isee
[08:30] <poningru> it was the error I got when starting the mplayer
[08:30] <pertz> Of course I hate X too so....
[08:31] <Local_man> ice better?
[08:31] <trey3> calamari, using ext3
[08:31] <trey3> ?
[08:31] <poningru> 3DNow supported but disabled
[08:31] <poningru> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[08:31] <poningru> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[08:31] <poningru> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[08:31] <calamari> trey3: ext2
[08:31] <trey3> calamari, shouldn't be issue (although why is a good question..)
[08:31] <calamari> trey3: why what? :)
[08:32] <trey3> calamari, why no journel...
[08:32] <poningru> bob: this is from cpuinfo
[08:32] <poningru> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[08:32] <lyy> i'm having a hard time making mplayer work on ubuntu
[08:32] <calamari> trey3: I was afraid to use a journaling fs because I remember hearing lots of reports of file corruptions from them
[08:32] <poningru> yeah me too
[08:32] <poningru> lyy
[08:32] <calamari> trey3: maybe they are better now.. hehe
[08:32] <lyy> poningru: to tell you the truth, all i care about is, music and movies
[08:32] <Local_man> iprefer fs myself..
[08:33] <poningru> calamari: I heard reiser4 has dealt with those now
[08:33] <crimsun> lyy: what cpu do you have, and which mplayer- package do you have installed?
[08:33] <pertz> ext3 has been good to me so far and I've been running it on several different boxes for a while now.
[08:33] <bob2> poningru: so your mplayer was poorly compiled
[08:33] <bob2> poningru: install mplayer-k7
[08:33] <lyy> crimsun: i have an p3 intel pent
[08:33] <poningru> ah ok
[08:33] <crimsun> lyy: you need mplayer-686
[08:33] <poningru> let me try again
[08:33] <lyy> crimsun: ok
[08:33] <pertz> So, how good are the distro sites for ubantu (frequently available, frequently crammed, only issue around release time, always easily accessable, etc.?)
[08:33] <trey3> calamari, thats kinda the point of a journel... to try to fix file curruption...
[08:34] <Local_man> i need to format a small hard drive... would like 2 partitions plus a hard drive... should i make the root partitipon larg or /usr?
[08:34] <lyy> crimsun: what repo will give that?
[08:34] <crimsun> lyy: for warty or hoary?
[08:35] <trey3> lyy, marillats w32codecs (guilty party most of the time when people say mplayer isn't working) is b0rked right now  :/
[08:35] <Local_man> i mean swap partition.. not hard drive
[08:35] <lyy> i don't know
[08:35] <calamari> trey3: anyhow.. I know /boot is on /dev/hda1 because everything is on /dev/hda1, and swap is /dev/hda2 :)
[08:35] <bob2> crimsun: -686 is not going to have 3dnow support
[08:35] <crimsun> bob2: right, but lyy has a pentium 3
[08:35] <lyy> i'll try anything
[08:35] <trey3> calamari, hmm... then you have bigger issues  :/
[08:35] <calamari> trey3: not really.. boots fine from the hard drive
[08:35] <lyy> soon i'll have to try rm -rf /
[08:36] <randabis> you COULD just get w32codecs from the mplayer site...you just have to put them in /usr/lib/win32/
[08:36] <lyy> ifall else fails
[08:36] <topyli> when a new user logs into gnome, he gets notified about .xmodmap but not stuff like .xinitrc or .xsession :(
[08:36] <crimsun> lyy: what does /etc/issue tell you regarding the ubuntu version?
[08:36] <calamari> sad to hear that I have to do a kernel recompile to get a decent boot disk, though
[08:36] <bob2> crimsun: erk, sorry
[08:36] <trey3> calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?
[08:36] <lyy> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:36] <lyy> Illegal instruction
[08:36] <pertz> Anyway, I've got a new box coming in in a few days that isn't critical, I think I'll take ubantu for a spin and see where it takes me.
[08:37] <crimsun> lyy: dpkg -l mplayer-\*|grep ^ii
[08:37] <calamari> trey3: huh?
[08:37] <poningru> I dont have to reboot my comp for reinstallation do I?
[08:37] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know if the hal/cups integration from fedora will make it into hoary?
[08:37] <jdub> ficusplanet: it won't
[08:37] <trey3> calamari, what don't you understand?
[08:37] <jdub> ficusplanet: hopefully next release
[08:38] <calamari> trey3: what does this line mean "calamari, uhh... replace menu.lst on floppy with menu.lst on hd?"
[08:38] <lyy> crimsun: ii  mplayer-custom 1.0-pre5-0.6ub The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux
[08:38] <calamari> trey3: or are you referring to a grub boot disk?
[08:39] <ficusplanet> jdub, OK. Thanks.  Also along the lines of hardware "just working," are you guys changing netapplet at all?
[08:39] <trey3> calamari, umm... that is a grub error... you said thats the issue... so bootdisk has grub  :/
[08:39] <crimsun> lyy: that's why you're getting an illegal instruction error. You need to remove 'mplayer-custom' and install 'mplayer-686'.
[08:39] <Local_man> i got the live CD stuck in the floppy drive.. but it still sticks out far enough to use as a cup holder.. question is.. will it hold a full 20 oz cappacino?
[08:39] <jdub> ficusplanet: netapplet, yes. not networkmanager.
[08:39] <trey3> which would make sense... as most linux bootdisks these days have grub...
[08:39] <lyy> crimsun: ok. know where i can get mplayer-686 aside from googling for it?
[08:39] <calamari> trey3: I made the boot disk myself using syslinux
[08:39] <ficusplanet> jdub, Yeah, I heard of that decision.  Will netapplet be made into an actual applet and cleaned up, etc., though?
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: the same place you got 'mplayer-custom'.
[08:40] <lyy> crimsun: i used synaptic
[08:40] <jdub> ficusplanet: most likely, yes.
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: (presuming you used debian-marillat and sh.nu)
[08:40] <lyy> i didn't see a mplayer-686 there
[08:40] <poningru> gah
[08:40] <crimsun> lyy: see /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:40] <lyy> ok
[08:40] <poningru> bob: this is the error I still get
[08:40] <poningru> CPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred 1060 MHz (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)
[08:40] <poningru> Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
[08:40] <poningru> 3DNow supported but disabled
[08:40] <poningru> 3DNowExt supported but disabled
[08:40] <poningru> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
[08:40] <poningru> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[08:40] <poningru> Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[08:40] <poningru> Illegal instruction
[08:41] <poningru> sorry for the flood guys
[08:41] <lyy> poningru: that's what i got too
[08:41] <ficusplanet> jdub, Excellent.  Thanks a lot.  Ubuntu has been wonderful so far.
[08:41] <lyy> if you figure it
[08:41] <crimsun> poningru: same thing. You need 'mplayer-k7', not 'mplayer-custom'.
[08:41] <lyy> poningru: if you figure it out let me know
[08:41] <Local_man> does ubuntu support duron processors?
[08:41] <HrdwrBoB> Local_man: yes
[08:41] <poningru> yeah but if I try to get mplayer-k7
[08:41] <poningru> it doesnt let me install it through the synaptic package manager
[08:42] <poningru> sigh let me try again
[08:42] <trey3> crimsun, -k7 is deprecated... just tell them -k6 ...
[08:42] <crimsun> lyy: / poningru: please read /wiki/RestrictedFormats and pay particular attention to the section regarding debian-marillat's repo being updated.
[08:42] <neighborlee> k gents cross fingers and toe fo rme..im almost done apt-get upgrading into hoary..
[08:42] <crimsun> trey3: 10-4
[08:43] <Local_man> i need to use a 2.4 kernel to use my winmodem.. can i use one on Warty?
[08:43] <poningru> oh okay
[08:43] <poningru> thank you crimsun
[08:43] <poningru> didnt see that
[08:43] <trey3> still says depends -k6 here?
[08:43] <jdz_> Local_man: No, ubuntu uses 2.6 kernels
[08:44] <Local_man> ok ty
[08:44] <randabis> you can use 2.4 kernels with it I thought...
[08:44] <Local_man> debian kernels?
[08:44] <lyy> so howdo i remove a package?
[08:44] <jdz_> randabis: from what I understand, that would break a lot of stuff.  for example, udev.
[08:44] <lyy> or how do i verify that a package was removed?
[08:45] <jdz_> lyy: open up Synaptic (the graphical package manager) and search for it :D
[08:45] <Macbeth> I am having a problem configuring network settings for ubuntu on my inspiron 8000 laptop. If anyone's not busy, perhaps they could help an ubunu newbie :)
[08:46] <randabis> hmm
[08:47] <Local_man> does ubuntu install wvdial?
[08:47] <trey3> Local_man, yes
[08:47] <trey3> Local_man, ps... I see 2.4 kernels... unsupported though...
[08:48] <Local_man> oh  ok great thank you
[08:48] <jdz_> trey3: I think they are left over from debian, and again, it will break a lot of stuff.  be warned.
[08:49] <trey3> jdz_, yes... but its what he asked for  :/
[08:49] <Local_man> i'll try it
[08:49] <Macbeth> he wants to break stuff.
[08:49] <trey3> (and mainly... g-v-m will be broken... thats about it...
[08:50] <duncanm> hello
[08:50] <duncanm> when i apt-get dist-upgrade, i keep on seeing
[08:50] <duncanm> Setting up python2.4-xml (0.8.4-1ubuntu1) ...
[08:50] <duncanm> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag
[08:50] <duncanm> dpkg: error processing python2.4-xml (--configure):
[08:50] <duncanm>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[08:50] <duncanm> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-xml:
[08:50] <duncanm> how do i deal with that?
[08:50] <duncanm>  python-xml depends on python2.4-xml (>= 0.8.4-1ubuntu1); however:
[08:51] <duncanm>   Package python2.4-xml is not configured yet.
[08:52] <bob2> sure your disk is ok?
[08:52] <duncanm> yeah
[08:52] <duncanm> why is that a problem?
[08:52] <duncanm> how can i trigger it to redownload?
[08:52] <duncanm> i was low on disk earlier, but i installed a new disk, so i'm good now
[08:53] <trey3> duncanm, if you have a spare disc around... I'd recommend downloading an hoary image...
[08:54] <duncanm> hrm
[08:54] <duncanm> well
[08:54] <bob2> trey3: how would that help?
[08:54] <duncanm> i have it running hoary now
[08:54] <trey3> duncanm, python transition is kinda painful...
[08:54] <bob2> please don't advise people to do that sort of thing
[08:54] <Local_man> can two versions of linux share partitions?
[08:54] <bob2> Local_man: for swap and home, yes
[08:54] <trey3> Local_man, yes
[08:54] <bob2> Local_man: not for /, tho
[08:54] <neighborlee> hey guys..i'm going to hoary..was it okay that I just did 'upgrade' or should I have done dist-upgrade ????
[08:54] <bob2> duncanm: reinstall whatever package the corrupt file is from
[08:54] <stuNNed> anyone use mutt?
[08:54] <trey3> neighborlee, dist-upgrade
[08:54] <bob2> neighborlee: things won't get upgraded with upgrade
[08:54] <duncanm> bob2: apt-get reinstall <foo> ?
[08:54] <Local_man> i see.. because i have mandrake running a 2.4 kernel
[08:54] <bob2> stuNNed: it's best to ask specific questions...
[08:55] <trey3> duncanm, apt-get install --reinstall
[08:55] <duncanm> sudo apt-get -f --reinstall install  python2.4-xml
[08:55] <stuNNed> bob2: sorry, how to invoke the pager in mutt?
[08:55] <duncanm> i tried that
[08:55] <bob2> duncanm: right
[08:55] <bob2> duncanm: it won't install at all?
[08:55] <neighborlee> bob2: i take it im safe to do dist-upgrade then after having done regular upgrade ? ;(
[08:55] <lyy> crimsun: thanks for the link. i'm trying to install now
[08:55] <bob2> neighborlee: yes
[08:55] <neighborlee> k thx
[08:55] <bob2> neighborlee: as safe as either by themselves are?
[08:55] <bob2> stuNNed: how do you mean?
[08:55] <neighborlee> heh
[08:56] <duncanm> bob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml
[08:56] <lyy> poningru: how's it going ? you got mplayer-686 installed?
[08:56] <duncanm> bob2: so maybe i need to do it in some special order
[08:56] <duncanm> it's probably deprecated one over another, isn't it?
[08:56] <trey3> duncanm, dpkg -P python2.3-xml and try again...
[08:56] <duncanm> i can't get it to redownload, though
[08:56] <Local_man> ok  how would you partition a 4 gig hd for running both ubuntu and mandrake?
[08:57] <duncanm> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of python2.3-xml:
[08:57] <duncanm>  python2.3-reportlab depends on python2.3-xml.
[08:57] <duncanm> dpkg: error processing python2.3-xml (--purge):
[08:57] <duncanm>  dependency problems - not removing
[08:57] <stuNNed> bob2: using abook i have in .muttrc: macro pager A |'abook --add-email'\n  ..but i don't know how to access it
[08:57] <trey3> duncanm, get rid of all the python2.3 crap...
[08:57] <bob2> duncanm: you'll need to pass --force-depends to it
[08:57] <bob2> trey3: dude, stop giving out terrible advice
[08:57] <stuNNed> bob2: or use it rather
[08:57] <trey3> bob2, python2.3 is gone from hoary...
[08:57] <duncanm> bob2: so, i'll listen to you,
[08:57] <trey3> bob2, he is using hoary...
[08:58] <duncanm> bob2: force-depends goes where?
[08:58] <bob2> trey3: er, look again
[08:58] <bob2> duncanm: dpkg -P --force-depends python2.4-xml
[08:59] <bob2> stuNNed: hit A and it will run that command, piping the message to it
[08:59] <stuNNed> bob2: it says it's not bound
[08:59] <duncanm> Removing python2.4-xml ...
[08:59] <duncanm> update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/xmlproc_parse corrupt: missing newline after manflag
[08:59] <trey3> dpkg -l | grep 'python2.3'  <-- returns nothing...
[08:59] <duncanm> nope
[08:59] <duncanm> it's the same error
[08:59] <stuNNed> bob2: Key is not bound.  Press '?' for help.
[08:59] <trey3> bob2, without ' 's I get only 2.4 stuff...
[09:00] <trey3> bob2, fresh hoary install...
[09:00] <Local_man> does gnome help have a glossary?
[09:01] <stuNNed> bob2: buwhahahahah figured it out :D
[09:01] <duncanm> Local_man: what do you want to know about GNOME?
[09:01] <bob2> stuNNed: you almost certainly mean: macro pager A '| blah'
[09:01] <bob2> trey3: well, I don't know what you did, but python2.3 is most certainly in hoary at the moment
[09:01] <duncanm> bob2: so, what can i do to fix this?
[09:02] <trey3> bob2, its not installed by default from the daily images...
[09:02] <duncanm> hrm
[09:02] <bob2> trey3: indeed
[09:02] <duncanm> looks like it's solved now
[09:02] <duncanm> woohoo
[09:02] <duncanm> bob2: i have one more question
[09:02] <trey3> bob2, hence saying he should remove... easiest way to resolve his issue...
[09:02] <duncanm> i'm still running the 2.6.8 kernel
[09:02] <jdz_> stuNNed: It looks like Dashboard supports irssi, so I think beagle would too :D
[09:03] <trey3> bob2, sorry if thats not the best option... but certainly not worst possible...
[09:03] <duncanm> bob2: i have 2.6.10 installed, but when i boot, i think it's not loading the modules, so it couldn't see my XFS root partition
[09:03] <bob2> trey3: how would that resolve his issue?
[09:03] <bob2> duncanm: you're using the ubuntu kernel?
[09:03] <duncanm> bob2: yes
[09:03] <trey3> bob2, python2.3 stuff was conflicting from what I read?
[09:03] <bob2> trey3: I didn't see that anywhere
[09:03] <bob2> duncanm: they use initrds, if your bootloader isn't configured to use it, you won't be able to boot one at all
[09:04] <bob2> duncanm: are you using the defaulr grub config?
[09:04] <duncanm> bob2: i have always been using the ubuntu kernels, though
[09:04] <duncanm> yeah
[09:04] <duncanm> i haven't changed a thing
[09:04] <duncanm> i dunno how to use debian at all, so i just slapped it on the machine at home and didn't really do much to it
[09:04] <trey3> bob2, ahh... I think that was just him guessing... imma shut up now
[09:04] <duncanm> occasionally, i run apt-get upgrade, that's it...
[09:05] <trey3> bob2, 'duncanm bob2: well, the problem is with, python-xml python2.3-xml python2.4-xml'   :/
[09:05] <trey3> I just saw the last part  :/
[09:05] <trey3> sorry
[09:05] <bob2> duncanm: hrm.  it should work.
[09:05] <duncanm> i thought so
[09:06] <duncanm> is there a way to reconfigure the kernel package?
[09:06] <gnuyen> hi
[09:06] <gnuyen> i installed gstreamer-0.8-mad
[09:06] <trey3> duncanm, sure... thats almost certainly not what you actually want to do though...
[09:06] <gnuyen> and rhythm box still doesn't show my mp3s
[09:06] <bob2> duncanm: there's nothing to reconfigure, really
[09:06] <duncanm> i remember it asking me some questions
[09:06] <duncanm> i didn't pay much attention
[09:06] <gnuyen> is there something else i have to do?
[09:07] <trey3> gnuyen, that should be it...
[09:07] <duncanm> something to do with the directory already being there, etc
[09:07] <duncanm> i have both the normal kernel installed as well as the SMB one
[09:07] <duncanm> SMP
[09:07] <gnuyen> hmm
[09:07] <gnuyen> i guess i'll keep lookin
[09:09] <duncanm> bob2: i'm thinking of just triggering a redownload/reinstall, maybe the last installation was borked
[09:09] <duncanm> i was low on disk then
[09:10] <lyy> how do i manually install without synaptic?
[09:10] <lyy> from the cache
[09:11] <trey3> lyy, you mean apt-get? or synaptic? or dpkg -i?
[09:11] <duncanm> thanks guy
[09:11] <duncanm> guys
[09:11] <trey3> lyy, 'apt-get install pkg' 'synaptic install pkg' and 'dpkg -i pkg'
[09:11] <lyy> i gues dpkg -i
[09:12] <trey3> uhh... s/synaptic/aptitude/
[09:12] <trey3> haha
[09:12] <lyy> is there a forceful install?
[09:13] <trey3> lyy, dpkg --force-help
[09:13] <poningru> yeah because when you attempt to instal mplayer-k6
[09:13] <poningru> it says there arent .... libs
[09:13] <poningru> but I know I have those libs
[09:16] <trey3> poningru, you using testing or unstable from marillat? what version of hoary?
[09:16] <trey3> s/hoary/ubuntu/
[09:17] <poningru> um
[09:17] <lyy> there, got that crazy binary in there
[09:17] <poningru> let me check
[09:17] <lyy> hehe
[09:17] <lyy> do it with force poningru
[09:17] <lyy> who cares if the system is unstable
[09:17] <trey3> lyy, good job  :)
[09:17] <lyy> it's crap anyway
[09:17] <lyy> i'm here to learn
[09:17] <poningru> um how do I check?
[09:17] <trey3> lyy, >.<
[09:17] <lyy> so best way to learn is to use it without worries
[09:18] <trey3> poningru, haha... you just took it from the faqs?
[09:18] <lyy> poningru: did you get the mplayer working yet?
[09:18] <poningru> no
[09:18] <lyy> i got it working
[09:18] <lyy> ok, goto /etc/apt/
[09:18] <lyy> open up yoru sources.list and add in these lines
[09:19] <lyy> poningru: actually 2 lines
[09:19] <lyy> deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[09:19] <lyy> deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free
[09:19] <lyy> then as root, type apt-get update
[09:19] <lyy> and then run your synaptic and search for mplayer
[09:19] <poningru> trey: 2.4?
[09:19] <poningru> err nm
[09:19] <lyy> remove all mplayer listings you find completely
[09:19] <trey3> lyy, Crimsun's packages contain plugins?
[09:20] <lyy> and then install the mplayer-686
[09:20] <lyy> poningru: and then it will work
[09:20] <trey3> eh... actually can't... plugins are like 10megs... those are all barely above 3  :/
[09:20] <poningru> hmm
[09:21] <lyy> trey3: works for me. i can watch my movies now
[09:22] <poningru> trey: here we go 4.1
[09:22] <trey3> lyy, hmm... w32codecs is in cerk... k...
[09:22] <poningru> lyy let me try those
[09:22] <lyy> trey3: cerk?
[09:22] <lyy> never heard of cerk
[09:23] <trey3> lyy, grrr... cerkinfo... look at the url  :/
[09:23] <poningru> lyy your second url
[09:23] <poningru> that is the cerk repository
[09:23] <lyy> poningru: oh
[09:26] <lyy> poningru: hmm..it doesn't player some files
[09:26] <michael25> anyone able to help me?
[09:26] <michael25> I just installed for the first time and I have display problems
[09:27] <trey3> crimsun, why does mplayer-nogui depend xmms?  :(
[09:27] <lyy> mpgs are ok
[09:27] <lyy> i'm not sure if wmv works
[09:29] <poningru> lyy: all you had to do was download win32 codecs
[09:29] <poningru> nvm
[09:29] <poningru> let me try it your way
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: thatdoesn't work
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: you have to compile the codecs into it
[09:31] <spockster> need help with ma111 wireless usb adapter  anyone?
[09:31] <lyy> poningru: however xine works that way
[09:33] <lyy> good night guys
[09:34] <poningru> michael: whats the prob?
[09:41] <crimsun> trey3: xmms plugin support, I presume. Would you rather they be disabled? If so, let me know, because the same should be applied to the packages in 'hoary/multiverse'.
[09:52] <knghtbrd> crimsun: why would one need to depend on XMMS if one provides a plugin for it?
[09:53] <crimsun> knghtbrd: Build-Depends on xmms-dev.
[09:53] <knghtbrd> that's fine
[09:53] <knghtbrd> I was talking runtime
[09:54] <knghtbrd> if trey wasn't, ...
[09:54] <crimsun> I'll look at it later.
[09:54] <crimsun> it's a straight port from hoary/multiverse. I only tweaked what was necessary to make it build against Warty's packages.
[10:07] <spiral> hi
[10:08] <MainVoid> it.... is... quiiiiiiet here today.....
[10:09] <HrdwrBoB> MainVoid: it ebbs and flows
[10:09] <spiral> MainVoid: maybe are they working ?
[10:09] <Agrajag> quiet, you'll wake the sleeping Cthulhu in the corner
[10:09] <MainVoid> LOL
[10:10] <MainVoid> spiral: work? what's that? ;)
[10:11] <spiral> MainVoid: dunno :-p
[10:12] <spiral> hmmm... anyone here know if ppracer is to be integrated in hoary ?
[10:17] <carambol> is realplayer10 working in hoary?
[10:17] <carambol> i dont get sound (bbc.com)
[10:23] <sangriag> I posted a bug and a problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=54708#post54708
[10:24] <sangriag> Does someone know how to handle the situation?
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> readingit
[10:27] <MainVoid> sangriag: u have *16* partitions??
[10:27] <sangriag> yes
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend against that :)
[10:27] <MainVoid> sangriag: right.. so my first question then is, can u get me output from mount from both FC1 and ubuntu64?
[10:27] <HrdwrBoB> I stick to one partition per OS preferably
[10:27] <MainVoid> HrdwrBoB: so would I.. ;)
[10:28] <sangriag> yes
[10:28] <carambol> is realplayer10 working with Hoary?
[10:28] <HrdwrBoB> and I think ubuntu uses a different default uid to fc
[10:29] <MainVoid> sangriag: it'd be interesting to see which partition gets mounted in FC1 for /home and respectively in U64..
[10:29] <sangriag> Hrdwrbob and mainvoid, I used to do the same but I got into two accidents in the past while compiling when I was with a single partition. There was no space and everything garbled
[10:29] <sangriag> :-(
[10:29] <sangriag> Okay
[10:29] <sangriag> You can get the shared partition and ubuntu64 at the above URL
[10:30] <MainVoid> sangriag: well, that tells me how you *wanted* it to be.. ;) Not how it ended up being.. ;)
[10:30] <MainVoid> sangriag: just wanna confirm how things stand..
[10:31] <sangriag> and about FC1 I mounted /boot to /dev/hda3, / to /hda9, /var to /hda12, /usr to /hdb15
[10:32] <sangriag> And the /swap, /tmp and /home are shared
[10:32] <MainVoid> sangriag: there's, like HrdwrBoB pointed out, another issue to remember as well... UID's ...
[10:32] <MainVoid> sangriag: the same users would have to have the same UID's and GID's in both distro's..
[10:33] <MainVoid> sangriag: or you'd run into permissions issues...
[10:33] <sangriag> But the problem is with X now
[10:33] <sangriag> not default IDs
[10:33] <MainVoid> sangriag: that is however another thing to think of and not primary at the moment..
[10:33] <sangriag> else I can link the /home to somewhere else?
[10:33] <sangriag> Since it is Debian based, it was doing fine earlier
[10:34] <sangriag> with Debian, I meant
[10:34] <Ng> 16 partitions for 3 distros! :o
[10:35] <sangriag> Yea
[10:35] <Ng> that's quite an interesting test for the installer ;)
[10:35] <MainVoid> sangriag: I'd probably only share the swap partition to be quite honest with you....
[10:35] <MainVoid> Ng: just consider the implications it would give having differing UID's and GID's.. ;)
[10:36] <Ng> MainVoid: that's not too hard to work around, but yeah
[10:36] <sangriag> But the only way to share your personal data is to share the /home also so that you do not have to reenter your personal information each time you change distro and save space too
[10:36] <spiral> isn't it possible for him to change uids & gids in order for them to match between distros ?
[10:36] <Ng> spiral: yes
[10:36] <Ng> I have a shared /home
[10:36] <spiral> Ng: :-)
[10:37] <MainVoid> So, how to solve this one then?
[10:37] <sangriag> First problem is caused by the messy installer which whined me for two days and I forcefully installed and no X at the end (it is not only my single case, I read other threads also).
[10:37] <MainVoid> sangriag: does X report any errors to it's error log?
[10:38] <sangriag> none.
[10:38] <MainVoid> sangriag: output to screen?
[10:38] <sangriag> even startx says no such commands available
[10:38] <sangriag> none
[10:39] <Ng> do you have the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[10:39] <sangriag> I installed X and configure it manually as I didn't see any xserver installed
[10:39] <Ng> that ought to depend on enough stuff to give you a complete X install
[10:39] <Ng> startx is in xbase-clients
[10:39] <MainVoid> yeah, sure sounds like u missed a few packages perhaps...
[10:39] <sangriag> does ubuntu have a different command to start X?
[10:40] <Ng> normally it starts X with gdm
[10:40] <sangriag> meaning the installer is messy
[10:40] <MainVoid> it would be very interesting to see if there was any logfiles saved from the installer...
[10:40] <sangriag> gdm is also not there
[10:40] <Ng> install ubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <sangriag> wait, let me check
[10:41] <MainVoid> sangriag: out of interest, can u `ls -ltr /usr/X11R6/bin/startx` ??
[10:41] <Ng> sangriag: you should post a bug about the installer issue(s) to the ubuntu bugzilla - the forum is unofficial, so it won't be seen by the developers. well, it might be, but bugzilla is the correct place for bug reports :)
[10:42] <Ng> MainVoid: it kinda seems that way, although it should be able to handle an arbitrary number fine
[10:42] <MainVoid> Ng: yeah, I'm thinking it is something along those lines..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: I tend to only have primary partitions and max 4 of those on x86..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: since I have seen very odd things happen otherwise..
[10:43] <MainVoid> Ng: it *should* work, but should ad does r 2 different things, I'm afraid.. ;)
[10:44] <sangriag> Ng I wrote directly to the developers and they said they are not using amd64 ;-)
[10:44] <sangriag> Mainvoid no startx in the directory
[10:44] <Ng> I got errors from the installer when I told it to mount my existing /home, but it wasn't the error sangriag got and ignoring it worked fine ;)
[10:44] <Ng> sangriag: they do, you need to report the bug in the bugzilla and mark it for the amd64 platform
[10:44] <Ng> I have a number of bugs in there myrself :)
[10:45] <Ng> and if you search for amd64 in the bugzilla you'll see there are plenty
[10:45] <MainVoid> sangriag: thought it may not be, was just curious.... sounds like u r missing packages then..
[10:46] <sangriag> what is the URL of the ubuntu bugzilla?
[10:47] <pvh> Does ubuntu ship with a repartitioning tool?
[10:47] <Ng> there's parted, which is fairly good
[10:47] <sangriag> pvh a hopeless one.
[10:47] <Ng> sangriag: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[10:48] <Ng> parted isn't hopeless, the installer partition handling tool just isn't that great
[10:48] <pvh> what should i install then? i'd prefer something nice and graphical which installs into my "computer" menu
[10:48] <Ng> parted isn't graphical, although there is qtparted in universe, which is the KDE frontend
[10:49] <sangriag> do fdisk
[10:49] <Ng> for some reason gparted doesn't seem to be there
[10:49] <Ng> fdisk isn't a repartitioner
[10:50] <pvh> i have already freed the space, in this case, but i would like a nice tool which can resize partitions and the like.
[10:50] <Ng> pvh: as far as I know parted or qtparted are your only option, but there might be another one hiding in there somewhere ;)
[10:50] <sangriag> Ng: thanks, when I try to install ubuntu-desktop it just asks to insert the warty CD and when installed it said failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com.ubuntu/.....<packagenames> and at the end Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing
[10:51] <pvh> Ng: Thanks.
[10:51] <MainVoid> sangriag: from that URL, it seems ur sources.list may be screwed, just slightly....
[10:51] <Ng> sangriag: are you using apt-get or synaptic atm?  I'm overly cautious..
[10:57] <pvh> I mean, why not just prompt the user with "This partition must be unmounted before committing."
[10:57] <Ng> pvh: to be fair, qtparted isn't in the main section of ubuntu, it's in universe, which means it's not officially an ubuntu supported package. I'm sure that in hoary or the one after they'll have a nice gparted interface with safe warnings and stuff
[10:57] <Ng> sangriag: /msg me your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <pvh> Ng: It's no insult towards ubuntu.
[10:57] <pvh> Ng: It's just an example of poor software engineering.
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: One of the first laws of user interface design is don't let people walk off cliffs.
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: Right?
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: indeed
[10:58] <MainVoid> pvh: create a bug at their site then for this.. ;)
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: By the way, your alias rocks YT's world.
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: nice :D
[10:58] <MainVoid> pvh: I do agree with u there as well...
[10:58] <pvh> Ng: Good idea. I'm on it.
[10:58] <Ng> pvh: not many people get the reference ;)
[10:59] <MainVoid> pvh: UI design is something most developers don't know enough about..
[10:59] <IMAlbert> If your install is at the middle/end of the disk, can you go back and remove/resize partitions at the beginning of the disk without the who partition table collapsing?
[10:59] <pvh> MainVoid: Ignorance is no defense!
[10:59] <pvh> :P
[10:59] <MainVoid> LOL
[10:59] <sangriag> Ng it was a default one with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and httoP://security.ubunut.com/ubuntu
[10:59] <pvh> I mean, it's one thing to delete without asking.
[10:59] <pvh> The best part was the error message it through while it was working:
[11:00] <pvh> Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[11:00] <Ng> IMAlbert: if you have a partitioning tool to do it, yes. ubuntu doesn't currently have a simple, graphical one though
[11:00] <IMAlbert> whole
[11:00] <pvh> I mean... Come on. Either be sure you aren't destroying the data, or don't do it!
[11:00] <Ng> sangriag: can you actually paste it to me? what you just wrote there has at least two typos in it ;)
[11:00] <pvh> Anyway, sorry about hte rant.
[11:00] <pvh> Thanks for the heads up.
[11:00] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, totally agree there with you..
[11:01] <pvh> Another novice question: How do I assign this partition a mountpoint in ubuntu?
[11:01] <F4rm> Does anyone know how to setup an openvpn client?  I was given a .key .csr and client.conf file by our network admin
[11:01] <MainVoid> pvh: man fstab
[11:01] <F4rm> I have no clue how to set this up
[11:01] <sangriag> I am using a different computer than the one in which there is ubuntu64
[11:01] <b_e_n_z> F4rm, http://openvpn.sf.net
[11:01] <pvh> MainVoid: Thanks. I figured it would probably be fstab.
[11:02] <sangriag> Is there a pastebot, Ng?
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: u can prob copy an existing line, and change the obvious bits, and most likely it'll work..
[11:02] <F4rm> b_e_n_z, I'm clueless I've tried figuring it out from that page
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: unless u wanna do something fancy.. ;)
[11:02] <MainVoid> pvh: it is fairly straight forward tho..
[11:03] <pvh> MainVoid: and applying the changes?
[11:03] <Ng> sangriag: you should be able to use "/query Ng" to get a window just to me and paste it there, or you could use http://pastebin.ca
[11:03] <MainVoid> pvh: mount <newly created mount point>
[11:04] <MainVoid> pvh: u do need to create the mount point first too.. i.e. create a dir where u want to mount the new part.
[11:04] <pvh> MainVoid: Got that already, but thanks.
[11:04] <MainVoid> pvh: kewl, half way there then.. ;)
[11:04] <MunDy`> my Ubuntu doesn't work =(
[11:04] <pvh> MainVoid: I think the biggest weakness of Linux is that it's almost impossible to figure out.
[11:04] <MainVoid> lol
[11:04] <sangriag> Ng, I am using gaim ;-)
[11:04] <sangriag> not xchat right now
[11:05] <pvh> MainVoid: And by that I mean that you can't just go in and start looking for what you need on your system.
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: nah, it's biggest weakness is that there is soooo much documentation, and not enough guidance..
[11:05] <sangriag> I will paste the enabled servers in pastebin.ca
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, know what u mean... it is not intuitive enough for most ppl, tho it is getting there..
[11:05] <MainVoid> pvh: much better these days then it was initially....
[11:06] <pvh> MainVoid: That's the nice thing about windows/osx. If you want to reformat a drive, you can go poke through your system and things are sorted into various areas.
[11:06] <pvh> MainVoid: Good luck recognizing 'parted' in /usr/bin
[11:06] <sangriag> Ng, now it worked, I forgot to masq
[11:07] <Ng> pvh: it's not almost impossible to figure out when you have lots of friendly IRC channels and forums and mailing lists :)
[11:07] <Ng> sangriag: cool :)
[11:07] <MainVoid> pvh: :) there's also the -k switch to man, or better yet, "Google is your friend"
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: Both of which only help you if you know what to look for.
[11:07] <IMAlbert> I ve used both gaim and xchat myself
[11:07] <MunDy`> Can someone help me? i just installed Ubuntu (warty) but i can't actually get in...
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: If you don't know the right keyword, ye're hooped.
[11:07] <sangriag> But with my slow connection it would take more than 2 and half hours to download the ubuntu-desktop and its dependencies
[11:07] <pvh> MainVoid: Which is where #ubuntu is great.
[11:07] <Ng> MunDy`: what's the problem?
[11:07] <Cam-> mundy: describe your problem
[11:08] <MunDy`> X wont start
[11:08] <MainVoid> pvh: "linux repartitioning tool" should give at least a few hits.. ;)
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: From 1996-2004, for about fifty different distros.
[11:08] <sangriag> Ng and MainVoid: do you also use amd64warty?
[11:08] <Ng> MunDy`: do you see it trying, does it give you any errors?
[11:08] <Ng> sangriag: I do
[11:08] <MainVoid> pvh: yup, IRC is very nice to have...
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: 90% of it will be out of date, and 9 of the remaining 10% will be wrong.
[11:08] <Ng> I'm using it right now :)
[11:08] <MainVoid> sangriag: nope, I'm on a P4 right now..
[11:08] <pvh> MainVoid: The last 1% will mostly be people asking for help and not getting a response other than "me too!"
[11:09] <MunDy`> when i 'view the output' frolm it, it just gives me information on X itself, "X is an opensource .... blah blah... for written by blah blah... e-mail blah balh...."
[11:09] <pvh> Okay, slight exaggeration. :)
[11:09] <MunDy`> not an actual error message
[11:09] <MunDy`> and yeah it does try
[11:09] <sangriag> Ng, how do you feel the difference between the two?
[11:09] <MainVoid> pvh: lol
[11:09] <MunDy`> but it crashes, and then gives me that msg ^^
[11:10] <MainVoid> svenlawaytilfrid: away until friday?
[11:10] <pvh> MainVoid: Well, my copy is running, and I think it's time for me to get some sleep. Thanks for your help!
[11:10] <svenlawaytilfrid> MainVoid: yep.
[11:10] <Ng> sangriag: the 64bit version is ok, if you don't need 32bit stuff like Flash and the various windows video codecs :)
[11:10] <MainVoid> pvh: np..
[11:10] <MainVoid> svenlaway: enjoy! ;)
[11:10] <Ng> MunDy`: when you get that message, scroll right to the bottom, that's where the error should be
[11:10] <Ng> MunDy`: do you know what kind of graphics card you have?
[11:10] <polli> hey, is there anyone else that's having problems with dcgui-qt?
[11:10] <MunDy`> Radeon 9200
[11:12] <Ng> MunDy`: I think you may need to read through http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:12] <Ng> that should cover installing the radeon driver
[11:12] <IMAlbert> I also have an X question
[11:12] <MunDy`> ok, thanks Ng
[11:12] <MunDy`> i'll try that and see what happens =)
[11:12] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: fire away..
[11:12] <MunDy`> bbl
[11:12] <Ng> MunDy`: good luck :)
[11:14] <IMAlbert> I wasn't able to get X working for a while until I finally got it working using the frame buffer.
[11:15] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: what video card do u have?
[11:15] <IMAlbert> Later I installed the Nivida driver and it functions properly but when I login from gdm it switches me back to the framebuffer
[11:15] <IMAlbert> When I create a new user, it functions properly.
[11:16] <IMAlbert> Onboard, I believe Nvidia Vanta
[11:17] <IMAlbert> It displays gdm with the Nvidia driver
[11:18] <IMAlbert> When I login, I login to the GNOME desktop.
[11:18] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: is the problem specific to one particular user?
[11:20] <IMAlbert> Yes, me (the default one), I created a test user and it works properly with it.
[11:21] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: ok, so when u login to gnome, what happens next? does it change resolution perhaps?
[11:22] <IMAlbert> When I login to Gnome it changes from the Nvidia driver to the framebuffer.
[11:22] <Ng> hmm
[11:22] <Ng> that's very strange ;)
[11:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I guess that what I'm trying to ask is, how do u know that is what is happening?
[11:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: not meaning to sound daft there, sorry..
[11:24] <lerio> hi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?
[11:24] <IMAlbert> The screen goes momentarily blank, the monitor clicks, the image size shrinks and the horizontal rate changes to 60 HZ
[11:25] <Ng> IMAlbert: log in, go to Computer (menu at the top) -> System COnfiguration -> Screen Resolution
[11:25] <Ng> you should be able to set the right resolution and refresh in there
[11:26] <Ng> my guess is that at some point that's what's happened and it was on 60Hz or whatever and Apply was clicked and it remembered those settings
[11:26] <eruin> IMAlbert: what happens if you run glxgears?
[11:26] <lerio> hi all. I need help on sharing my Internet connection on Hoary. what do i have to check?
[11:27] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yup, I concur with Ng there, that is the sounds of a monitor changing resolution (in some cases anyway)
[11:28] <MainVoid> lerio: eh, ok. there's a few questions that needs to be asked first for that one...
[11:28] <MainVoid> lerio: how do u connect to the net?
[11:28] <IMAlbert> At the moment I can't do any live checks since i am in another partition
[11:29] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: that's ok. if u still have problems after having tried it, get back in here and we'll see what the status is then.. should work fine tho...
[11:29] <IMAlbert> give me a few moments
[11:29] <lerio> MainVoid: thanks. ok: i connect to the network via an adsl modem--this computer runs hoary.
[11:30] <eruin> I'm having trouble with nvidia drivers needing a reinstall to work with glx every boot
[11:30] <eruin> :P
[11:30] <lerio> MainVoid: the other one is connected to this pc through a crosscable and runs debian
[11:30] <rend> whats the most cds your have burned at a time?
[11:31] <lerio> MainVoid: i can ping hoary from debian
[11:32] <lerio> MainVoid: and the same from hoary to deb
[11:32] <Br|ce> hi folks
[11:32] <MainVoid> lerio: check what ur default route is then on your debian box, and configure it to connect to a proper dns service as wel..
[11:32] <Br|ce> could someone point me to a link that explains the basics of setting up a dual head system ?
[11:32] <MainVoid> rend: ??
[11:32] <eruin> Br|ce: no idea, but search for xinerama
[11:32] <Br|ce> (I've got a laptop with a radeon 9200 and a spare crt monitor)
[11:33] <eruin> Br|ce: and check through the radeon driver readme/faq
[11:33] <Br|ce> ok
[11:33] <Br|ce> thanks
[11:33] <lerio> MainVoid: i've already set deb's resolv.conf with the correct dns
[11:34] <MainVoid> lerio: can it resolve properly?
[11:34] <lerio> MainVoid: but i'm not able to ping them
[11:34] <MainVoid> lerio: so, if u do a traceroute <domain>, where does it start giving u probbs? at the hoary end?
[11:35] <lerio> MainVoid: also, the deb install misses lots of packages. so i'm not able to run ifconfig and traceroute
[11:35] <PWM> Hi, i've searched the net for ways to install the firestarter firewall, but since I'm a noob with linux, I can't figure it out... I've downloaded the firestarter debian-archive so can someone please tell me how to install it? :)
[11:36] <lerio> MainVoid: i need an internet connection to install them!!!
[11:36] <MainVoid> lerio: <g> ok.. u can check what the default route is with netstat -rn
[11:36] <mbp_> PWM: "sudo dpkg -i firestarter-*.deb"
[11:36] <mbp_> or, more simply
[11:37] <mbp_> "sudo apt-get install firestarter" will get you the current one from hoary and download it automatically
[11:37] <mbp_> or use the Synaptic package manager from the menu
[11:37] <PWM> mbp_: thanks I'll try right away :)
[11:38] <lerio> MainVoid: what do you need to know?
[11:38] <MainVoid> lerio: ur deb box should have ur hoary system as the default route...
[11:38] <PWM> mbp_: It says it could find the package "firestarter" :(
[11:38] <MainVoid> lerio: and I then assume ur hoary box has a proper connection to the net from there on...
[11:39] <lerio> MainVoid: there are two lines, where the fields are Destination Gateway Genmask
[11:39] <PWM> and when I searc for it with synaptic it doesn't find anything
[11:39] <MainVoid> PWM: if u apt-cache search <search string>, do u then find firestarter?
[11:40] <MainVoid> PWM: u were quicker then me there.. ;)
[11:40] <lerio> MainVoid: <IP_ADDRESS> --- <IP_ADDRESS> --- <IP_ADDRESS> (the first line)
[11:40] <rend> MainVoid: ????
[11:40] <PWM> MainVoid: I appreciate your help, but like I said I'm totally new to this, and I must admit you confused me a bit there :)
[11:41] <lerio> MainVoid: <IP_ADDRESS> --- <IP_ADDRESS> --- <IP_ADDRESS> (the the second one -- <IP_ADDRESS> is my hoary box)
[11:41] <MainVoid> lerio: and the second line should have the hoary box in the second column?
[11:41] <mvo_> MainVoid: apt-cache and synaptic use the same database :)
[11:41] <rend> I make like 100 cds per day... looking for some cheap way to make duplication and printing of them cheaper/easier to do..
[11:41] <MainVoid> mvo_: I know, just managed to type at the same time here.. ;)
[11:41] <lerio> MainVoid: and yes, the hoary box has a proper internet connection
[11:42] <MainVoid> Ng: u there?
[11:42] <MainVoid> lerio: hmm....
[11:43] <PWM> how about that "universe" thing everybody writes about that you should enable in synaptic... I can't see anything that says "universe" :/
[11:43] <Ng> MainVoid: yes
[11:43] <polli> hmm, does anyone have problems with dcgui-qt (I'm using hoary)? I get a lot of "CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error <insert favorite digit here>" when I start it
[11:43] <lerio> MainVoid: sounds strange... :)
[11:44] <MainVoid> Ng: does the kernels in ubuntu allow a system to act as a router by default, or is that commented out, u know?
[11:44] <MainVoid> PWM: there should be 2 repositories unchecked in synaptic...
[11:44] <KarlosII> what architecture is ubunut optimized for?
[11:44] <Ng> MainVoid: it probably has ip forwarding disabled by default, which you can enable with "echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" (that will be forgotten on a reboot, you can set it permanently with /etc/sysctl.conf)
[11:45] <MainVoid> lerio: see Ng's comment.. ;)
[11:45] <PWM> MainVoid: yeah, but the URL is the same so I figure "that's ok" :|
[11:46] <MainVoid> PWM: not quite, the URL points to the correct server, and then there's different repositories on that server...
[11:46] <Ng> (edit /etc/sysctl.conf and put a line in with "net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1", that makes the change permanent)
[11:46] <KarlosII> what architecture is ubunut optimized for?
[11:46] <Ng> KarlosII: probably no more than 486
[11:46] <PWM> MainVoid: , well, I guess I'll have to stop assuming so much until I learn this new OS :) Thanks for your help :)
[11:46] <Zindar> 386,586 and 686
[11:46] <Zindar> and PPC... :)
[11:46] <jdub> KarlosII: packages use 486 instructions, tuned for 686
[11:46] <MainVoid> PWM: No probbs.. ;) I didn't explain myself very well there, but you get the idea I hope.. ;)
[11:47] <KarlosII> eww 486
[11:47] <jdub> there's no benefit using anything higher
[11:47] <KarlosII> 486 and 586 is garbage
[11:47] <Ng> KarlosII: are you a gentoo user by any chance? ;)
[11:47] <jdub> applications that need to use processor specific functions do it at runtime
[11:47] <KarlosII> Ng, why woud you say that
[11:47] <Ng> KarlosII: because gentoo users seem to belieive that gcc optimisations actually improve things
[11:47] <Zindar> ok... I was just thinking about the kernel packages.. ignore me :)
[11:47] <prego> how do I enable apm in ubuntu? my laptop does not work with acpi
[11:48] <KarlosII> I'm thinking about kernel
[11:48] <Ng> KarlosII: I'm at least haf half joking btw ;)
[11:48] <Ng> -haf
[11:48] <KarlosII> Ng, well I willadmit it I use gentoo but i find the speed different in compilation of the kernel.
[11:48] <jdub> KarlosII: you can choose between 386, 686, k7
[11:48] <jdub> (and smp variants)
[11:48] <KarlosII> for kernel?
[11:48] <MainVoid> prego: add -noacpi -nolapic in menu.lst for the correct kernel
[11:48] <jdub> yes.
[11:48] <Zindar> isn't there a 585 kernel too?
[11:48] <KarlosII> hmm
[11:48] <jdub> no.
[11:49] <Zindar> ok
[11:49] <KarlosII> jdub oh
[11:49] <KarlosII> heh
[11:49] <clubky> h
[11:50] <KarlosII> what debian tree is based on?
[11:50] <jdub> hi clubky
[11:50] <KarlosII> ie sid/sarge
[11:50] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is a branch of debian sid.
[11:50] <jdub> released every six months
[11:50] <clubky>  from n turkey
[11:50] <lerio> MainVoid: if i try to run the echo command it says permission denied (even with sudo), but i was able to change the file. do i have to reboot?
[11:51] <KarlosII> hmm i need something more stable.....I have debian installation based on sid that my mom is complaining is crahsing
[11:51] <MainVoid> lerio: yup..
[11:51] <jdub> KarlosII: see above - there are stable releases every six months
[11:51] <lerio> MainVoid: thanks a lot. i'll let you know...
[11:51] <MainVoid> KarlosII: well, why is it crashing?
[11:51] <KarlosII> sid is not stable
[11:51] <MainVoid> lerio: no probbs, have fun!
[11:51] <KarlosII> jdub
[11:51] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is not sid, it's a branch of sid.
[11:51] <KarlosII> jdub, a branch....
[11:52] <jdub> www.ubuntu.com/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[11:52] <KarlosII> now you got me baffled okie
[11:52] <jdub> we take sid, branch off it regularly, stabilise it and release it
[11:52] <jdub> as per the release schedule
[11:53] <KarlosII> hmm okie is upgrading to new  release easy rather then a complete reinstall as i get that impression from the document
[11:53] <jdub> yes, just like debian.
[11:54] <PWM> hmm, when I try to start firestarter it says my password is wrong... but I'm sure I typed the right password
[11:54] <KarlosII> jdub, so you have your own apt repositories setup is what you're saying
[11:54] <jdub> KarlosII: ubuntu is completely built against itself, and we have a very different release schedule, yes.
[11:55] <KarlosII> now it's making sense
[11:55] <spiral> so this will come with gnom 2.10 final & maybe kde 3.4, isn't it ?
[11:55] <KarlosII> gnome 2.10?
[11:55] <KarlosII> didn't know that existed
[11:55] <prego> MainVoid: thank you, but still APM does not work. "No APM support in kernel"
[11:55] <jdub> spiral: hoary will come with gnome 2.10, probably not kde 3.4.
[11:55] <KarlosII> I reall should keep my eye on things betetr
[11:56] <jdub> KarlosII: it's in development. we track gnome development, releasing our preview ont he same day of gnome's release.
[11:56] <spiral> jdub: will it be available on universe/multiverse ?
[11:56] <KarlosII> jdub, is there good NX support btw?
[11:56] <jdub> not atm
[11:56] <jdub> spiral: kde 3.3 will be
[11:56] <jdub> as built by the kubuntu team
[11:56] <prego> anyone has succeded with firewall-easy?
[11:57] <spiral> jdub: yes... and kubuntu, is it downloadable somewhere or just via apt-geting on ubuntu classic ?
[11:57] <jdub> KarlosII: yes
[11:57] <jdub> spiral: kubuntu is being developed in hoary atm
[11:58] <KarlosII> jdub, hmm
[11:58] <MainVoid> prego: hmm..
[11:58] <KarlosII> jdub I need remote access to fix thinsg for my ma....hmmm
[11:58] <jdub> KarlosII: vnc, ssh, etc., etc.
[11:58] <PWM> how do I start firestarter? it says my root password it wrong when I try to start it
[11:59] <jdub> PWM: sudo firestarter
[11:59] <KarlosII> hmmm
[12:04] <gusto_> anyway to su to become root?
[12:04] <MainVoid> gusto_: yup..
[12:04] <gusto_> MainVoid: can you please tell me how?
[12:05] <MainVoid> gusto_: su on it's own to "switch user" to root, and keeping your own environment variables, or do su - <username, blank for root> to use that users env vars...
[12:06] <MainVoid> gusto_: man <command> will tell you more..
[12:06] <jdub> gusto_: sudo su -
[12:06] <MainVoid> jdub: why sudo su -?
[12:06] <gusto_> jdub: thanks
[12:06] <jdub> gusto_ wants to su to root
[12:06] <MainVoid> jdub: that'd mean ordinary users are not allowed to run su...
[12:06] <prego> MainVoid: perhaps because root account is disabled by default
[12:06] <jdub> ubuntu uses sudo
[12:07] <MainVoid> su - does it..
[12:07] <jdub> so sudo su - gives you a root shell
[12:07] <jdub> (as would sudo -s -H)
[12:07] <jdub> but sudo su - is nicer
[12:07] <MainVoid> prego: disabling the root account would be detrimental to any system.. ;)
[12:07] <prego> MainVoid: login is disabled not the account itself
[12:07] <jdub> MainVoid: the root account is disabled by default in ubuntu.
[12:07] <prego> MainVoid: you are supposed to use sudo instead
[12:08] <prego> MainVoid: IMHO sudo su - allows loging as root whereas login is disbled by default
[12:08] <MainVoid> I agree with that being a good idea, however, if I know the root password, I should be allowed to login as that user..
[12:09] <jdub> MainVoid: if there is no root password, you can't.
[12:09] <MainVoid> I'd disagree to having to be forced to use sudo for that particular usage..
[12:09] <jdub> you can't su to root, dude, there is no root password
[12:09] <trey3> jdub, sudo -s doesn't bring environment? usually, taking me to /root is annoying... just want environment...
[12:09] <MainVoid> jdub: this is the first distro I've seen doing this.
[12:10] <prego> MainVoid: doing this, no root brute-force attack is possible
[12:10] <MainVoid> prego: do u mean local or remote brute force?
[12:10] <prego> MainVoid: They would require first the list of users, crack each user, but they still don't know which ones are in sudoers
[12:11] <prego> MainVoid: both... unless exploits...
[12:11] <MainVoid> prego: for remote, I only use SSH to login remotely, which nicely also has it's AllowUsers setting..
[12:11] <digmig> i tried sudo passwd root once - behaves normal since then. security reestablished.
[12:11] <trey3> jdub, 'sudo -s' == 'su' != 'su -' ?
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: for local brute force, well then it is not just the root account that is interesting..
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: and other users are more likely to have weaker passwords then root anyway..
[12:12] <prego> MainVoid: you tweak in ssh what sudo does already...
[12:12] <MainVoid> prego: eh??
[12:13] <prego> MainVoid: restricting root access, I mean
[12:13] <trey3> MainVoid, thats not a valid point actually... knowing the first user is in effect the admin... most users will still give it a difficult password to crack...
[12:13] <prego> MainVoid: I agree that the user that has sudo acess is the weakest point
[12:14] <Ng> that would be true on a box with aroot password
[12:14] <MainVoid> trey3: if u r local, u can prob read /etc/passwd, meaning u already know the usernames...
[12:14] <Ng> privilege escalation attacks are pretty easy generally :(
[12:14] <spiral> and for the ssh example... If you prevent root access...
[12:14] <spiral> you need to know a local user password to ssh
[12:15] <spiral> then su - & know the root password...
[12:15] <trey3> MainVoid, no... only root has read rights to /etc/passwd and /etc/group
[12:15] <spiral> and not just only a local user password... even if it's the sudoer one, it might be easyer
[12:15] <MainVoid> trey3: wrong, I can cat /etc/passwd on warty
[12:15] <MainVoid> /etc/shadow has the passwords
[12:16] <MainVoid> spiral: yes, u sould login as a normal user into a box...
[12:16] <trey3> MainVoid, eh... I guess I changed that here  :/
[12:16] <MainVoid> s/sould/should/
[12:16] <prego> What means "uninstall completely" in synaptic?
[12:16] <trey3> prego, dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge ...
[12:16] <spiral> MainVoid: so in my example, you need two passwords... isn't it more secure ? :-o
[12:16] <trey3> prego, basically removes config files too..
[12:16] <prego> trey3: ah thanks
[12:17] <MainVoid> spiral: that is what I'm saying too... ;)
[12:17] <spiral> MainVoid: ok, thanks :-)
[12:17] <prego> trey3: If I don't do that, the config files are kept, ... how do I know which are the "hung" config files?
[12:17] <IMAlbert> I'm back, sorry I took so long. I had to manually edit my bootloader to get here.
[12:17] <MainVoid> spiral: what I am against is having to have to use sudo in order to be allowed to use su
[12:17] <trey3> prego, no way to tell really...
[12:18] <prego> trey3: thanks, anyway ;-))
[12:18] <spiral> MainVoid: :-)
[12:18] <HcE> MainVoid: use sudo -s if you need to be root for longer periods
[12:19] <MainVoid> HcE: nah, I stay away from root, unless I *have* to have root access... and when I do, I don't mind a little bit of pain to go with it.. though that sudo bit is ... odd...
[12:20] <MainVoid> it is always easier to do things the way one is used to do them..
[12:20] <MainVoid> not an excuse I know, but still, a point to take into account..
[12:20] <IMAlbert> MainVoid
[12:21] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yes?
[12:21] <trey3> hmm... sudo -i = shell + environment (path etc) ... damnit @ however told me -s  :(
[12:22] <IMAlbert> Took your advice (once I got in) and it seems to have done the trick.
[12:22] <trey3> 'sudo -i' = 'su -'
[12:22] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: kewl.. tho I think the suggestion as such was made by Ng.. ;)
[12:22] <IMAlbert> By the way, does the frambuffer operate at any rate other than 60 Hz
[12:23] <IMAlbert> Give credit where credit is due.
[12:23] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: have no idea, haven't checked that to be honest.. ;)
[12:24] <MainVoid> trey3: if that is the case, suggest that then as an alias in bash for ubuntu!!?? ;)
[12:24] <IMAlbert> I changed the setting to 1024x768 at 75 HZ
[12:24] <trey3> MainVoid, it will never go down... you can do it locally?
[12:24] <Ng> IMAlbert: typically the framebuffer can support the same resolutions as X, although it would depend on exactly which framebuffer driver it was using. It's almost certainly not using a framebuffer driver though
[12:24] <Ng> if you're sure gdm is using nvidia then it should still be using it once you log in
[12:25] <trey3> sudo -s = su though... I was always told thats wrong (due to not bringing env.)
[12:25] <MainVoid> trey3: nah, I'll prob get things around in such a way that I am used to them, more likely..
[12:25] <IMAlbert> Now the monitor doesn't change from gdm only when I restart X (as it should)
[12:26] <trey3> MainVoid, other than little things, you'd be surprised how fast you get used to using sudo..
[12:26] <IMAlbert> Thank You for your help
[12:26] <MainVoid> trey3: oh, I'm quite happy using sudo, just not in the context of running su.. ;)
[12:26] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: enjoy! ;)
[12:26] <MainVoid> trey3: AM or PM??
[12:26] <trey3> MainVoid, am...
[12:27] <trey3> if it was pm... I wouldn't mind at all...
[12:27] <IMAlbert> I see what happens come April
[12:27] <MainVoid> trey3: LOL, it's 11:30 here.. ;)
[12:27] <trey3> MainVoid, Aussie?  :)
[12:27] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: 1/4/05 u mean? :D
[12:27] <MainVoid> trey3: UK.. ;)
[12:28] <trey3> MainVoid, ahh... what part?
[12:28] <prego> I have some problems with a usb stick. If I format it with fat or reiserfs it works OK, but if I use ext2/ext3 it is pain slow when writting (being quick at reads)
[12:28] <MainVoid> trey3: North west, just south of Manchester...
[12:28] <IMAlbert> I will have to check that
[12:28] <trey3> MainVoid, cool... moved to the US from Blackpool... born in Coventry though  :)
[12:28] <jdub> MainVoid: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[12:28] <piper> Hey, I was wondering if anyone can help me; having some problems installing Ubuntu.
[12:29] <MainVoid> trey3: well, being Swedish originally, u can never guess where I moved from to get here...
[12:29] <trey3> piper, tell us problems... and we might be able to help  :)
[12:29] <piper> Specifically the formatting part. It doesn't want to format anything.
[12:29] <trey3> MainVoid, Japan?  8)
[12:29] <MainVoid> jdub: reading it now.. ;)
[12:29] <piper> (checked the forums and it seems to be a popular issue, but no replies... :( )
[12:29] <MainVoid> trey3: Dublin.. :D
[12:29] <trey3> MainVoid, bah... not even close  :(
[12:30] <trey3> piper, gah... what are you trying to set? how far do you actually get?
[12:31] <MainVoid> trey3: <g>
[12:31] <trey3> MainVoid, bah... their are like 3-4 screens related to partitioning...
[12:31] <trey3> there*
[12:31] <piper> Just up to the formatting part; I can set everything up but when it tries to format the partitions it gives me a red error screen.
[12:31] <odyssey> hello
[12:31] <MainVoid> jdub: it's prob a good way of getting noobs into using sudo...
[12:31] <trey3> piper, hah... haven't even seen that... what does error say?
[12:32] <MainVoid> jdub: tho, for me, that has used *nix for ~10 years..... different story..
[12:33] <MainVoid> jdub: ever tried su1?
[12:33] <trey3> jdub, permission to change 'sudo -s -H' to 'sudo -i' (on account of its shorter and does the same thing + more) ?
[12:33] <ismaeval> MainVoid: for a single user installation, using sudo is killing flies with cannon balls, as we say in spain :)
[12:34] <jdub> trey3: nice one
[12:34] <IMAlbert> Is it a home computer?
[12:34] <trey3> jdub, take that as a yes?
[12:34] <jdub> trey3: yep
[12:34] <MainVoid> ismaeval: if u *know* what u r doing, I'd agree, otherwise it's a good thing to learn.. ;)
[12:34] <trey3> 8)
[12:35] <ismaeval> MainVoid: using Linux -> knowing what u r doing or at least planning to ;)
[12:35] <IMAlbert> If it is, there's really no such ting as single user.
[12:35] <piper> Eh, I'll be back in a bit, got to write down the actual error message.
[12:35] <IMAlbert> thing
[12:35] <MainVoid> ismaeval: u r starting down the correct path at a minimum!! :D
[12:35] <trey3> jdub, hmm... haha... its locked...  :(
[12:36] <ismaeval> MainVoid: I think the minimum in this case is `su -c'
[12:36] <ismaeval> MainVoid: you don't need sudo unless *you know* you need sudo
[12:36] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: well, even on a home computer u may have more then one user at a time logged in to it..
[12:37] <ismaeval> in that case, having more than one user logged in, indeed sudo is *very* useful
[12:37] <IMAlbert> Hence, there is no such thing as a single user.
[12:37] <MainVoid> ismaeval: I'd rather say, u need sudo in case u r new to *nix, to be honest...
[12:37] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: how come?
[12:37] <ismaeval> MainVoid: using Mac OS X, sudo is the only way to get root, well, Apple users are new to *nix, let's agree
[12:38] <spiral> ismaeval: :-p
[12:39] <IMAlbert> If it's a home computer, more than one person in the house will invariably want to use it.
[12:39] <ismaeval> IMAlbert: then, the other partition with windows installed comes to mind :P
[12:40] <IMAlbert> Is it Windows ME like mine?
[12:40] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I see what u mean.. u r thinking of one person sitting by the same computer at one time..
[12:41] <poningru> lol
[12:41] <poningru> looking at mainvoids earlier comment
[12:42] <IMAlbert> Not necessarily, just don't expect the computer to see much idle time.
[12:42] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: well, then u may have multiple users at the same time, right? ;)
[12:43] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: tell me to shut up if I get too tedious.. ;)
[12:43] <IMAlbert> or consecutive
[12:43] <MainVoid> true, true..
[12:43] <trey3> jdub, ugh... I don't like the wording "to have a login shell as root" because this is technically still the case with 'sudo -s'  :(
[12:44] <piper> Well, I'm back with the error messages.
[12:44] <trey3> jdub, maybe you can think of something better?
[12:44] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: but that doesn't exclude u wanting to have multiple user support.. ;)
[12:45] <MainVoid> trey3: "to get a command line with root priviliges" perhaps?
[12:45] <IMAlbert> Of course not.  I wouldn't want someone else messing with MY files.
[12:45] <piper> I get up to the partitioning screen, select "Manually Edit", set up the partitions, select "Finish partitioning..." and get this lovely message on a red screen: "The (ext2/3/reiserfs) file system creation ... failed"
[12:46] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: so, how do u do on a system that doesn't have multi-user support to make sure that doesn't happen?
[12:46] <piper> Any help would be great :)
[12:46] <IMAlbert> You don't.
[12:47] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: wrong, u install a proper OS, like ubuntu.. :D (sorry, couldn't help myself!)
[12:47] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: one answer would be to encrypt your files, which becomes cumbersome after a while.. ;)
[12:48] <IMAlbert> But doesn't Ubuntu HAVE multiuser support?
[12:48] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: my point exactly.. :D
[12:49] <piper> So, nobody can help?
[12:50] <IMAlbert> What might be simpler is to make it impossible for the other users to see your directory by selectivly fixing permissions and paths?
[12:50] <IMAlbert> Actually that was supposed to be a statement.
[12:50] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: yes, but ur initial point was that a home computer didn't need multi-user support..
[12:51] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: like I said before, I'm only arguing the point for the arguments sake..
[12:51] <trey3> piper, sorry man... not very clear as to what exactly went wrong... we already knew something failed  :(
[12:51] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: I do understand what u mean tho, and u r correct in that..
[12:51] <IMAlbert> My intial point was actually that there was no such thing as a truly single user home computer.
[12:51] <MainVoid> trey3: does the installer give output on any of the other vt's that may be interesting?
[12:52] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: sounds then like I lost the argument, since I didn't read ur initial statement properly.. ;) DOH!
[12:52] <trey3> MainVoid, I believe on vt1 (ie ctrl alt f2) ... worth a try...
[12:52] <trey3> s/vt1/tty1/
[12:52] <piper> It installed fine when I formatted the entire disk (months ago), but I can't afford to do that now... well, thanks anyway, the error messages are fairly vague themselves.
[12:52] <topyli> piper: something happened to a /home partition at work and i wasn't even formatting it. it said "won't be used". i thought, oh, i'll mount it later, but when i rebooted it was there :)
[12:53] <IMAlbert> Especially in my sisters house (she is married with six children)
[12:53] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: so, if u live alone then? (think I found my loophole!!)
[12:53] <piper> Is there anyway to format using a live CD and then bypass the format page in ubuntu?
[12:53] <MainVoid> piper: when u do the formating, press alt+F2 and check the output there for errors...
[12:54] <IMAlbert> But that's my problem and we won't go there.
[12:54] <MainVoid> IMAlbert: lol
[12:54] <piper> MainVoid: Alright, thanks. I'll give that a shot.
[12:55] <trey3> piper, if it doesn't work... at least write down any applicable errors and come back  :)
[12:55] <IMAlbert> notepad?
[12:55] <MainVoid> lol
[12:56] <trey3> IMAlbert, >.<  ... you just reminded me of Winblows... I get to hurt you now.
[12:56] <DonLemmi> Hi, can anyone tell me how i can install a driver for my soundcard in ubuntu,please?
[12:56] <piper> trey3: the errors I got were just what I wrote above, the "..." was just the partition info.
[12:56] <trey3> DonLemmi, modprobe module_name
[12:56] <trey3> DonLemmi, not that that is much use without knowing module name  ;)
[12:57] <trey3> DonLemmi, lspci | grep Audio and paste output here
[12:57] <MainVoid> piper: "failed" is all u get??
[12:57] <trey3> piper, alt f2 should shot exactly what it was doing when it failed... "Failed partitioning" isn't very enlightening  :/
[12:57] <trey3> s/shot/show/
[12:57] <piper> MainVoid: yep. "... failed."
[12:58] <DonLemmi> trey3: its a crystal sound 4236B
[12:58] <piper> Well, I found a bug report<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:58] <DonLemmi> Its conencted to ISA
[12:59] <DonLemmi> so lspci doesnt list it
[12:59] <DonLemmi> i found it via lshw
[12:59] <kbrooks> isa? dude.
[12:59] <kbrooks> isa == slow and old
[01:00] <kbrooks> pci > isa
[01:00] <DonLemmi> Its an old P2 333MHz :)
[01:00] <MainVoid> piper: u should be able to format the partition using any other bootable Linux CD, and then just leave it as-is when u install....
[01:00] <MainVoid> piper: should work...
[01:01] <DonLemmi> In Knoppix Sound worked but i cant remember the modiulename. it was like cs4236 or similar
[01:01] <IMAlbert> Yes, but don't we want to see these machines receive a new lease on life?
[01:01] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[01:02] <piper> MainVoid: I'll give that a shot, if that doesn't work I'll try Alt-F2. Thanks for the help.
[01:02] <DonLemmi> thx MainVoid, ill try
[01:03] <MainVoid> DonLemmi: good luck! *should* work..
[01:03] <kbrooks> I HATE ISA
[01:03] <IMAlbert> Assuming the info you gave is correct.
[01:03] <kbrooks> BOYCOTT ISA
[01:04] <trey3> DonLemmi, that is the module name... 'snd-cs4236' ... modprobe that...
[01:04] <trey3> (snd- denotes alsa driver)
[01:05] <trey3> kbrooks, all well and good... but that doesn't make his sound card work... "buy a new sound card" is not good advice...
[01:05] <MainVoid> kbrooks: there are worse standards out there..
[01:05] <IMAlbert> Microchannel
[01:05] <MainVoid> EEEEEEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!
[01:06] <MainVoid> lol
[01:06] <MainVoid> SBus is also fun these days..
[01:06] <trey3> but yeah... during 2.4.20 ... there was a bug with it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=181890
[01:06] <trey3> Hopefully thats been fixed since then though  8)
[01:07] <DonLemmi> MainVoid / trey3 : thx, that loaded the module. now how can i "automate" that *g?
[01:08] <IMAlbert> What's glxgears supposed to do if you do not have a glx driver?
[01:09] <trey3> DonLemmi, put snd-cs4236 into /etc/modules ...
[01:09] <MainVoid> trey3: oi! <g>
[01:09] <trey3> MainVoid, wasn't me
[01:10] <MainVoid> lol
[01:10] <trey3> Shaggy is my idol  8)
[01:10] <trey3> "She got it on camera" "Wasn't me"  8)
[01:11] <DonLemmi> trey3: in /etc/modules or in /etc/modules.d/autoload.modules.2.6 blah :)?
[01:11] <trey3> DonLemmi, yeah... no... the first one  ;)
[01:12] <trey3> DonLemmi, hence why I said that  ;)
[01:12] <trey3> DonLemmi, /etc/modules = one of my favorate debianism's  8)
[01:13] <DonLemmi> k :)
[01:13] <DonLemmi> thx
[01:13] <Flyounet> Hi, How to stop the buzz sound when i make a mistake on the command line ?
[01:14] <trey3> Flyounet, don't make a mistake?
[01:14] <Flyounet> :)
[01:15] <trey3> Flyounet, haha... no... you can turn off console beeps... dunno how though  :(
[01:15] <Flyounet> I try to disable it in the bios management, but il continue to beep :|
[01:16] <krism> Flyounet : you mean from within gnome?
[01:17] <krism> if you go to Computer->Desktop Preferences->Sound and turn sounds for events off, itll remove most of the beeping
[01:17] <krism> also, in gnome terminal, Edit->Current Profile->Terminal Bell
[01:17] <piper> Question: what does "Configure the Local Volume Manager" entail? I'm pretty sure that's where my problem lies.
[01:17] <MainVoid> Flyounet: turn off the "Terminal Bell" in the gnome terminal will do it..
[01:18] <MainVoid> piper: is there anything in particular leading u to that conclusion, or just a hunch?
[01:18] <Flyounet> no, i try to install the ubuntu, but for the time i have problem with X... So i'am not under graphic environment
[01:19] <trey3> Flyounet, hmm... try 'softbeep'... takes it to sound card... or theoretically /dev/null (to shut it up entirely)
[01:19] <piper> Well I checked Alt-F3 (F2 was blank) and it said: "No matching physical volumes found ... No Volume Groups found"
[01:19] <MainVoid> <-- quitte has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[01:19] <MainVoid> LOL
[01:20] <trey3> piper, bah... looks like you're setting up an LVM volume then? yeah... don't do that..
[01:20] <MainVoid> piper: well, if u haven't defined any volume groups, that is quite normal to see.. and u'd know if u had done that.. ;)
[01:21] <piper> Not setting up an LVM volume, just doing what the help guide suggests. So that's normal, then?
[01:21] <trey3> piper, hmm... or you specified things that aren't actually there... which is actually what it seems to say on re-reading...
[01:21] <trey3> piper, seems it if what I just said doesn't fit...
[01:21] <trey3> piper, any other errors?
[01:22] <piper> trey3: No, it just went on to "Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while..."
[01:22] <synan> hi there!
[01:22] <MainVoid> piper: that would be a normal error message
[01:22] <trey3> piper, hmm... and you didn't wait?  shouldn't take that long though  :/
[01:23] <trey3> synan, hey
[01:23] <piper> trey3: I waited a little while while copying the rest down, but nothing else came up.
[01:24] <synan> one question, i was trying out synaptic and when trzsing to remove some debs i get some strange dependencie hell sayin it would have to remove base/systam and such???