[01:11] <jenda> What'd I miss, what'd I miss?
[01:11] <jenda> + hello all there :)
[01:11] <dotwaffle> hey
[01:12] <jenda> aloha, dotwaffle? :)
[01:14] <dotwaffle> Well, I'm not in Hawaii, but aloha none the less =)
[01:14] <dotwaffle> Can't make this Thursday's meeting =(
[01:14] <jenda> nixternal!
[01:14] <jenda> nixternal_?
[01:15] <jenda> Make that the only state I've never been to :)
[01:15] <nixternal_> whats up bud
[01:15] <nixternal_> nice little network hiccup     there
[01:15] <jenda> (only state of the US... but no, I have to take that back: Puerto Rico :) )
[01:15] <jenda> Ah...
[01:15] <nixternal> had a good trip i take it?
[01:16] <jenda> dotwaffle: I thought it was - my bad.
[01:16] <jenda> nixternal: quite good :)
[01:16] <jenda> I'll be there tomorrow supporting you, don't worry :)
[01:16] <nixternal> glad to hear...of course you visited one of the most expensive of the states too
[01:16] <nixternal> hehe
[01:16] <nixternal> thank you sir..much appreciated
[01:16] <jenda> err, today my time :)
[01:17] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/WikiMockup   <- layout 1 draft
[01:17] <jenda> most expensive? Alaska?
[01:17] <dotwaffle> Expensiva.
[01:17] <jenda> nixternal: seen that. Very, very nice work. I had a few remarks...
[01:17] <nixternal> oh..i thought you said you went to hawaii
[01:17] <jenda> nah - only state I haven't :)
[01:17] <nixternal> must of gotten confused during the net hiccup
[01:18] <jenda> not bad for a Czech, eh? :)
[01:18] <nixternal> im jealous..i have never been to alaska
[01:18] <nixternal> i have a lot of Czech friends here, so it is only a matter of time ;)
[01:18] <jenda> hehe :)
[01:19] <jenda> I just made it to AK this summer. Was one of the best ever.
[01:19] <jenda> I totally loved AK :)
[01:20] <nixternal> i have heard cool things
[01:20] <nixternal> i must make it there
[01:20] <nixternal> sooon
[01:20] <nixternal> brb b4 my pizza goes up in flames
[01:20] <nixternal> almost forgot about that
[01:35] <jenda> hello sara_
[01:36] <sara_> hello Janda
[01:36] <sara_> jenda
[01:36] <jenda> ;)
[01:36] <jenda> Just came back.
[01:36] <sara_> sorry
[01:37] <sara_> I am on my vacations right now, but is raining so I'm inside
[01:37] <jenda> didn't yet make it through the gazillion tons of mail ;)
[01:37] <jenda> Ah right - got that one, though :)
[01:37] <sara_> which one?
[01:37] <jenda> No problem - have a good vacation.
[01:37] <jenda> The one about you being away.
[01:38] <sara_> yeah ,but it has rain the whole time so it has not beign fun
[01:38] <jenda> ooh. US?
[01:38] <jenda> It's been sunny all the time here (Czech Rep.)
[01:38] <sara_> yeah north east, T-stroms
[01:38] <sara_> ohh how hjealous
[01:38] <jenda> don't be.
[01:39] <jenda> It's very, very hot.
[01:39] <jenda> I can barely bear it ;)
[01:39] <sara_> is hot in here, but full of T-steomr so it just makes it muggy and sticky
[01:39] <jenda> ouch.
[01:39] <jenda> That's not very nice... lemme guess - south west US?
[01:40] <jenda> :)
[01:40] <sara_> yeah and the whole week is going to be like tihs, my luck :(
[01:40] <sara_> noth east
[01:41] <sara_> NorthEAst
[01:41] <jenda> Haha... alright... let's call that a close miss. I guessed the exact opposite. :D
[01:41] <jenda> I'd bet New Mexico is a lot hotter.
[01:41] <jenda> And it has a lot of storms too ;)
[01:41] <Bilange> sara_, yeah, we get lots of storm since 3 weeks (quebec)
[01:41] <jenda> Hello Bilange :)
[01:41] <Bilange> hello jenda
[01:41] <sara_> I'm sure, but no humidity like here
[01:41] <jenda> sara_: WDC?
[01:42] <sara_> i ahte T-stroms
[01:42] <sara_> Philly
[01:42] <jenda> Or one of the other Chesapeake-bordering places?
[01:42] <jenda> Ah.
[01:42] <jenda> :)
[01:42] <jenda> I lived in WDC for three years. I konw the feeling.
[01:42] <jenda> I had a headache every-single-day.
[01:42] <sara_> yeah it horrible, but I just love the area
[01:42] <jenda> (TM)
[01:43] <jenda> Oh it's beautiful :D I loved it too.
[01:43] <sara_> by the way we are supose to have a meeting for the magazine the 17th . I am wondering if we can use the marketing chanel
[01:47] <Burgwork> sara_, if you are meeting, please do it in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:48] <sara_> DO I need to get in contac twith anyone about that
[01:50] <Burgwork> nope, merely make certain you are not going to conflict
[01:50] <Burgwork> the channel itself and fridge will tell you
[01:50] <Burgwork> also, tell the fridge people about your meeting
[01:51] <sara_> how you do taht?
[01:51] <sara_> whoa re the fridge people?
[01:51] <Burgwork> fridge.ubuntu.com
[01:51] <Burgwork> the community news site, also runs the meeting calendar
[01:51] <sara_> ohh I see that now
[01:53] <Burgwork><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:54] <sara_> thanks, as soon as we agre on a time I'll do it and send an e-mail to the marketing list also
[02:08] <Burgwork> I have no plans to switch to Ubuntu. (That's because I already use it -- but if I didn't I *would* switch!) -rob "roblimo" miller
[02:09] <adamant1988> Hello all
[02:10] <adamant1988> jenda glad to see you're back :)
[02:13] <adamant1988> well not so much with the back apparently
[02:13] <jenda> adamant1988: very, very back :)
[02:13] <adamant1988> haha
[02:13] <jenda> just a little tired, overwhelmed and...
[02:13] <adamant1988> I created a logo mockup for SU
[02:14] <jenda> a little drunk too, but that'll pass.
[02:14] <jenda> :)
[02:14] <jenda> adamant1988: saw it ;) Good work, appreciated...
[02:14] <jenda> but...
[02:14] <jenda> what we need is a site graphics proposal now.
[02:14] <adamant1988> What are you looking for exactly?
[02:15] <jenda> Well...
[02:15] <adamant1988> I'm not great with templates but I think I could whip up a mockup..
[02:15] <jenda> striking original, simple and elegant ;)
[02:15] <jenda> a block of text fro ubuntu.com for now
[02:15] <adamant1988> How many sub pages is spread ubuntus site going to need?
[02:15] <j_baer_> hey ... are you folks talking about spread ubuntu?
[02:16] <adamant1988> are we talking like a single page website or a LOT of pages?
[02:16] <jenda> and five big colorful links: See it, Try it, Get it, Shipit, SPREAD IT.
[02:16] <jenda> adamant1988: the mockup: just the front page
[02:16] <jenda> j_baer_: yep
[02:16] <j_baer_> I'm the new guy to the team ...
[02:17] <adamant1988> Jenda just some ideas completely white, a large wireframe globe with the links marked as locations on it. The globe being inside an Ubuntu logo
[02:18] <adamant1988> any text and such can written in scrollable columns linked to the globe...
[02:18] <adamant1988> it's just an idea...
[02:18] <jenda> adamant1988: that's very nice... but I can't think of more of a use for it than a background image for SU or something of the sort.
[02:18] <adamant1988> unless you make it the main menu too.
[02:19] <adamant1988> Make locations on the globe link to sub pages.
[02:19] <jenda> We don't really need a logo (as was decided after discussion) - logos are for branding. Do we brand with Ubuntu or Spreadubuntu?
[02:19] <jenda> Ubuntu - if you ask me.
[02:19] <jenda> adamant1988: hmm...
[02:19] <adamant1988> there was a lot of talk of a spreadubuntu logo and I did a mockup really quickly =\
[02:21] <adamant1988> no ones replied on my switch data project =\
[02:21] <sara_> I think is goos, but I just don'y know how we would carry it out
[02:21] <nixternal> [18:44]  <jenda> I lived in WDC for three years. I konw the feeling
[02:21] <nixternal> where at?
[02:21] <nixternal> i used to live there...my x and daughter still live there
[02:21] <jenda> Willard Ave.
[02:22] <jenda> Chevy Chase.
[02:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:22] <nixternal> i live in g'town, and alexandria...and spent most of my time in southern maryland
[02:22] <nixternal> i was stationed at patuxent river
[02:22] <adamant1988> sara_ what?
[02:23] <sara_> your proposal, I like the idea, but as it stand right now it would be hard to carry it our
[02:23] <jenda> adamant1988: whatcha mean by "a lot of talk of a spreadubuntu"?
[02:23] <jenda> err... + logo
[02:24] <sara_> maybe when we get the spreadubuntu site we could make a testimonial section
[02:24] <adamant1988> I mean I came into the channel and it's what everyone was discussing was spreadubuntu and a logo for it and all that
[02:24] <sara_> ohh I was responding to no one answering to your proposal
[02:24] <adamant1988> Sara_ I am willing to do the grunt work on that project myself.
[02:25] <adamant1988> And I don't know if spread ubuntu could use the testimonials or not, but I think the info could be useful itself...
[02:26] <sara_> ohh, perhaps you can try to add that to the structure of spread ubuntu on the Seet it or Try it part. Like what others are saying about ubuntu
[02:26] <sara_> I use modo from luxology and they have similar section on their website
[02:27] <sara_> but not as elaborated
[02:27] <adamant1988> Well my idea for implimenting the data would be simple but effective "testimonial banner ads"   You see the picture, the brief description (so and so, age, new user) and a good one liner from their blog.
[02:28] <sara_> where would you post the adds
[02:28] <adamant1988> Banners make good signatures in forums.
[02:28] <adamant1988> There are tons of sites that promote Ubuntu that would be happy to display them.
[02:28] <sara_> uhh, interesting
[02:29] <adamant1988> aside from eventually getting our own page to put them on... which was the main goal.
[02:29] <sara_> Maybe you need to make a mockup
[02:29] <sara_> you are good with graphics
[02:29] <adamant1988> decent...
[02:30] <adamant1988> Mockup of what the page should look like?
[02:30] <adamant1988> or banners or what?
[02:31] <sara_> mockup of how you think the thing would actually look and maybe an explanation on how people would get acees to it. The bannes and what they would link to.
[02:31] <adamant1988> I'm thinking that the banners could actually link to the blog
[02:31] <adamant1988> I'll create a mockup banner with my photo
[02:31] <sara_> I would like to know if i am lookinf into using Linux how would I get access to it. How could I be exposse to it
[02:32] <adamant1988> Ubuntu is one of the first things people come to when they search in linux... But at that point they still need convinced...
[02:33] <adamant1988> but if our aim is 0 cost marketing then I think we'll have a harder time reaching the masses.  Not impossible by any stretch though.
[02:33] <sara_> not me, I did not hear about ubuntu until i had try sometihn like three distros and was frustated about to quit
[02:33] <adamant1988> it was the first thing I heard about
[02:34] <adamant1988> I couldn't try it because breezy didn't like my computer...
[02:34] <adamant1988> just a thought... maybe we could get some press on PCworlds site?
[02:34] <adamant1988> they have a writer who is VERY partial to Ubuntu.
[02:34] <nixternal> we already have press there
[02:34] <sara_> so where do you think we should put the banners
[02:34] <nixternal> and to get more press costs a butt load..i know i used to do hardware reviews for them
[02:35] <sara_> or where we wouldbe allow to put eh banners. I would like to see one on distrowatch
[02:35] <adamant1988> well, where is the target audience going to be?
[02:36] <adamant1988> In particular pick a target market... if it's tech savvy computer users then I could imagine that working something out with computer help forums and linux forums would be a good place to get some activity.
[02:36] <adamant1988> as long as the forums are completely microsoft owned I don't see them objecting, most of them have members who use alternate OS's etc.
[02:36] <sara_> probably
[02:37] <adamant1988> For the end-user and home user, that's more difficult
[02:37] <nixternal> consumer = 10 to dead on age, male and female....business = all of them
[02:37] <adamant1988> they usually visit places like ebay and usually only because their friends tell them about it or they chance upon it in google.
[02:38] <adamant1988> so getting to them is best done via word of mouth =\
[02:40] <adamant1988> so.. I don't know if 'pass this on to your friends' emails are allowed here, but that's one way to get to them...
[02:41] <sara_> it could work, I would be carfull with some over zealous poeple spamming it
[02:42] <adamant1988> Yeah, but that would be a good place to put the email... I know some places I could get it started from, I'm sure everyone does..
[02:43] <sara_> I have no idea
[02:43] <sara_> :)
[02:43] <adamant1988> lol
[02:43] <adamant1988> you don't have an end user friend with an email account?
[02:43] <sara_> ok gotta go to dinnet now, but looking foward to see how this idea develops
[02:43] <adamant1988> ok :)
[02:50] <gnomefreak> welcome back from beach ;)
[02:52] <jenda> gnomefreak: aloha to you ;)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> welcome back jenda ;)
[02:53] <jenda> thanks ;)
[02:53] <jenda> I'll drop out in a bit, though.
[02:53] <jenda> Dead tired.
[02:53] <adamant1988> and drunk
[02:53] <jenda> I'll be on for two weeks now.
[02:53] <jenda> adamant1988: not anymore ;)
[02:53] <adamant1988> lol
[02:54] <gnomefreak> me too jenda
[02:55] <adamant1988> gnomefreak, the answer is an anticoagulant.
[02:55] <gnomefreak> ;)
[02:55] <adamant1988> That's what I do when peopl...
[02:56] <adamant1988> I got someone really interesting in Ubuntu today
[02:57] <adamant1988> I just took my laptop down to the local library and sat with it for a while... wasn't long at all before people noticed I wasn't using Windows.
[02:57] <adamant1988> I am thinking about trying it again and taking Ubuntu disks with me
[02:57] <jenda> adamant1988: really?
[02:57] <jenda> Interesting...
[02:57] <adamant1988> Yeah
[02:58] <adamant1988> I had to give about 10 people links to Ubuntu.com
[02:58] <adamant1988> and detailed instructions on how to get CDs from shipit.
[02:59] <adamant1988> but this one kid in particular was going spastic, he begged me to let him play on the lappy.
[02:59] <gnomefreak> its ubuntu what could he break ;)
[02:59] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:59] <adamant1988> and it wasn't connected to the net
[02:59] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:59] <jenda> haha :) true. No pass, no spaz.
[03:00] <adamant1988> I was just working on my blog post in OO.o and listening to some ogg music.
[03:00] <gnomefreak> even if he had password he wouldnt know what to do ;)
[03:01] <adamant1988> I like the Simply Free idea for a slogan though... I've thought of so many ways that can be made into a good ad
[03:01] <adamant1988> I'm thinking I might use that as the slogan for my project in town and see how it goes.
[03:02] <nixternal> jenda: i need to hire you...i need you to shake the ubuntu-list mailman and get me a LoCo team list setup so everyone on my LoCo can communicate ;)
[03:02] <jenda> ooh ;)
[03:02] <jenda> nixternal: I'm good with that kind of thing. write me an email with the details ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> i have emailed everyone and their mother, and never got a reply
[03:03] <nixternal> for 2 weeks now
[03:03] <nixternal> i guess i just needed to email the jenda ;)
[03:03] <jenda> haha :)
[03:04] <jenda> No-one dares not to reply the jenda ;) I'll do all I can to get a ML for you.
[03:04] <adamant1988> lol
[03:04] <adamant1988> When is the ubuntupeople site going to be back up?
[03:05] <jenda> adamant1988: it won't.
[03:05] <adamant1988> -_-
[03:05] <adamant1988> That sucks... so the marketing team will have no website....
[03:06] <jenda> It won't have a _forum_.
[03:06] <jenda> We decided that on the meeting.
[03:06] <jenda> We'll have the wiki...
[03:06] <jenda> nixternal: BTW, I kinda like the TOC on the right...
[03:07] <adamant1988> TOC? and we're just going to use the wiki for everything?
[03:07] <jenda> not for everything.
[03:07] <nixternal> jenda: you mean in the box to the right?
[03:08] <nixternal> a box
[03:08] <jenda> There's the mailing list for communication
[03:08] <jenda> nixternal: yep
[03:08] <nixternal> ok
[03:08] <jenda> but my word isn't final, you know that :)
[03:08] <adamant1988> yeah, but we'll have our OWN wiki not the one on ubuntu.com right?
[03:08] <jenda> adamant1988: no, ubuntu.com
[03:08] <nixternal> we have a meeting in a few days, and i want everyone involved
[03:08] <jenda> No separationism any more.
[03:08] <jenda> nixternal: me too.
[03:08] <adamant1988> ok, is spreadubuntu going to be on the main ubuntu site as well?
[03:09] <jenda> I think spreadubuntu.* will forward to spread.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <nixternal> i just requested 500 more cd's for "Ubuntu Chicago Days" in a couple of months
[03:10] <adamant1988> I requested 50 and was shot down to 30...
[03:11] <nixternal> this will be my 2nd order of 250+
[03:11] <jenda> nixternal: nice :)
[03:11] <nixternal> they go quick
[03:11] <nixternal> i got rid of 250 in less then 30 minutes at the last show
[03:11] <jenda> I requested 41 and will get the lot.
[03:12] <adamant1988> why did I get shot down? is my town undeserving =(
[03:12] <nixternal> Ubuntu Chicago is going to do a day in chicago of just marketing Ubuntu, hacking and enjoying the city...there are a few computer places and we want to put up posters and what not and kind of own that part of the city for the day
[03:12] <nixternal> 500 will last i would say a good 6 hours
[03:12] <jenda> adamant1988: the reason you gave seemed to be satisfactoy for 30 CDs only to shipit, I guess.
[03:12] <nixternal> as only people interested, or who we make interested will grab them
[03:12] <bimberi> adamant1988: it's not personal :)  i heard of someone who ordered 300 and got 100
[03:13] <nixternal> im sure they will shrink my request hardcore
[03:13] <nixternal> you always request more then you need, just in case
[03:13] <adamant1988> still blows I'm going to have to order more than that to get what I need for the school....
[03:14] <nixternal> adamant1988: i have spoken to a couple of the people in charge of that task, and they say as long as you can provide a good, clean legit reason and can back it up, they have no problem doing it
[03:15] <adamant1988> OOH I like these groovix computers sites...
[03:16] <adamant1988> wow they stocked up well, maybe i should order my computer from them instead of system 76...
[03:17] <nixternal> lol
[03:17] <adamant1988> lol
[03:17] <jenda> and his cursor moves towards the X on Xchat's upper right corner...
[03:17] <bimberi> that _is_ deep
[03:18] <nixternal> so if jenda falls asleep now..that means when i wake up in the morning, i should have a solid 100+ emails in the marketing team inbox
[03:18] <jenda> Hahahha :D
[03:18] <jenda> Not today, nixternal, sorry :)
[03:18] <nixternal> i was looking forward to at least 1 dangit ;)
[03:18] <jenda> I promise I'll catch up tomorrow, though.
[03:19] <nixternal> ya jenda, i need you well rested for tomorrow
[03:19] <nixternal> don't need you falling asleep right when it is my turn in front of the CC firing squad
[03:19] <nixternal> actually, everyone in here...TOMORROW @ 20:00 UTC,  CommunityCouncil meeting, and I am up for membership... I need you to show me some love!!!
[03:19] <nixternal> LOL
[03:20] <nixternal> don't make me do a channel ping
[03:21] <adamant1988> what?
[03:22] <adamant1988> what's the CC for?
[03:23] <nixternal> Community Council
[03:23] <nixternal> for my Ubuntu membership
[03:24] <nixternal> i have my 2 big membership requests within the next week...i have Ubuntu membership tomorrow, and then Kubuntu membership next week
[03:24] <nixternal> and then I have LoCo membership or introduction tomorrow as well
[03:24] <adamant1988> you have to request Ubuntu membership?
[03:24] <adamant1988> what are the benefits of that?
[03:25] <nixternal> everything
[03:25] <adamant1988> specifically?
[03:25] <nixternal> that is the benefits...you have a deeper communication channel which is huge, and it is just a small step and a token of the CC's appreciation for the work I have done..but I am not doing it for the benefits, I am doing it for the LOVE!!!!
[03:25] <bimberi> nixternal: kubuntu membership implies ubuntu membership - you don't need both
[03:26] <nixternal> they are seperate bimberi
[03:26] <bimberi> nope
[03:27] <nixternal> i thought they were, as if you are on Kubuntu member launchpad, your not on Ubuntu member launchpad, and plus there are 2 different CC's reviewing your history
[03:27] <bimberi> you should find that kubuntu-members is a member of ubuntu-members
[03:27] <adamant1988> so why should I apply to get ubuntu membership? (that's what I'm asking)...
[03:28] <nixternal> i guess you are right on that bimberi, as that is how it is
[03:28] <bimberi> gah this modem, trying to load launchpad is sooo slllloooww
[03:29] <bimberi> adamant1988: it's recognition of your efforts as part of the ubuntu community
[03:29] <adamant1988> oh I see...
[03:29] <adamant1988> I guess I will just ahve to try harder.
[03:30] <bimberi> nixternal: the CC wanted to offload some of the membership application load, so the kubuntu and edubuntu CC's were established
[03:30] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:30] <nixternal> i see
[03:31] <bimberi> nixternal: so, up to you, i reckon you're fine for either :)
[03:32] <adamant1988> or both
[03:33] <nixternal> i was told by others on the Kubuntu team to do it...so i will follow the leader ;)   that was bad...verry bad
[03:33] <nixternal> gahaha bimberi
[03:33] <nixternal> thx
[03:35] <bimberi> nixternal: hehe, no not that _you're_ applying.  Just what it's effect is on the CC's wish to reduce the workload
[03:36] <nixternal> i know...had to poke fun at you though ;)
[03:36] <bimberi> :P
[03:37] <bimberi> adamant1988: you don't have to try harder.  Just keep up the effort and decide when you feel ready to apply.  The criteria is essentially 2 months of sustained, significant contribution
[03:37] <adamant1988> heh, well I should be able to keep that up...
[03:37] <adamant1988> I wonder if these groovix computers are worth their weight....
[03:39] <adamant1988> Yeah, I'm trying to find a good Ubuntu affiliate to buy a pc from
[03:39] <adamant1988> my fiance is going to switch to Ubuntu wether she likes it or not lol.
[03:39] <adamant1988> whether*
[03:40] <bimberi> we don't have any affiliates locally - working on it though - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks
[03:42] <adamant1988> hrmmm
[03:42] <bimberi> btw, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuFriendlySuppliers is work-in-progress to broaden the scope of that AustralianTeam initiative
[03:43] <adamant1988> groovix and system76 both look good.
[03:53] <nixternal> hey
[03:54] <nixternal> Riddell just brought to my attention, Kubuntu has been using the GNU/Linux distribution for everyone...i thought we had some slick ones earlier with that...he beat us to it ;)
[04:31] <adamant1988> hello again all.
[04:33] <nixternal> oh lord
[04:33] <nixternal> you again"
[04:33] <nixternal> ;)
[04:33] <adamant1988> lol
[04:33] <adamant1988> Hrmm... I'm looking at Suse's website.
[04:33] <nixternal> don't ever look at SuSe's wiki, as it is as proprietary as the rest of it
[04:34] <adamant1988> I think that Suse actually meets the need of being able to purchase a boxed set with a manual and all, though.
[04:34] <adamant1988> And plus I love beagle.
[04:34] <adamant1988> lol
[04:35] <adamant1988> I'm just looking anyway
[04:35] <adamant1988> but I don't mind suse being all proprietary and all that.
[04:35] <adamant1988> But I AM going to download apparmor for my pc
[04:36] <nixternal> where can you purchase SuSe at around you?
[04:37] <nixternal> i used to be able to go into Best Buy and buy it, and CompUSA...but not anymore
[04:37] <nixternal> since Novell bought it from the Germans, all the stores stopped selling it that carried Microsoft Products
[04:37] <adamant1988> No where, but I CAN get it in a box with a manual, which is something I feel is relatively important for a home user to have.
[04:39] <adamant1988> I still doubt that anything could handle repos like Ubuntu does (except for Linspire and such)
[04:40] <adamant1988> But it gives me another distro to play with.
[04:43] <nixternal> you can do the same for Ubuntu on sites taht sell it like that also i believe
[04:45] <adamant1988> Show me a site that sells it in English... I'd like to get a copy for my fiance probably.
[05:02] <nixternal> DOWNLOAD IT adamant1988
[05:02] <nixternal> ;)
[05:02] <adamant1988> lol
[05:02] <adamant1988> she would need the manual... as is I'm going to have to be the manual for her.
[05:05] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com
[05:05] <nixternal> there is her manual
[06:53] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42307
[06:56] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=42234
[06:56] <adamant1988> wow
[06:57] <adamant1988> that second one is impressive
[06:57] <nixternal> no comment
[06:57] <nixternal> i did get a kick out of the "Linux for human beings....and robots" though
[06:58] <adamant1988> lol yeah that was pretty cool.
[06:58] <adamant1988> -_- I'm downloading the sled 10 isos...
[06:59] <adamant1988> You can tell Ubuntu has overwhelming qualities when I get a knot in my stomach from downloading another iso and thinking of using it =\
[07:00] <nixternal> sled?
[07:00] <adamant1988> yeah SUSE LINUX ENTERPRISE DESKTOP
[07:00] <nixternal> oooh i about used my ops on you ;)
[07:00] <adamant1988> lol i was kicked out of a channel once for using Ubuntu
[07:01] <adamant1988> But I've seen the screenshots, I've got the itch now, and I have to scratch. lol.
[07:01] <nixternal> liberals
[07:01] <adamant1988> That way I can dismiss it as betaware and go back to distributing Ubuntu CDs
[07:01] <nixternal> thats how SuSe sucks you in..it looks pretty..and yast2 is sweet and what not..but enjoy rpm headaches
[07:02] <adamant1988> Actually I'm more interested in the interface alterations
[07:02] <adamant1988> the "computer" menu is a subtle but big change, and I'd like to see how it's implimented.
[07:02] <adamant1988> I figure I'll use it on my laptop for a week before I reinstall ubuntu.
[07:03] <adamant1988> I just did a clean Ubuntu install last night so it's not like I'm losing any important data.
[07:03] <nixternal> Kubuntu and thats that
[07:05] <adamant1988> lol
[07:06] <adamant1988> sorry kubuntu just isn't as inviting as gnome
[07:06] <adamant1988> kde*
[07:06] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:06] <nixternal> my kubuntu is beautiful
[07:06] <nixternal> it runs so smoothe, and it is solid
[07:06] <nixternal> solid gold baby
[07:07] <adamant1988> I know but it's just not as inviting to me =\  I like simplicity and effectiveness.
[07:07] <adamant1988> all that polish has it's place, but not on my desktop.  I'll probably never touch XGL even if it comes included in edgy
[07:08] <nixternal> you think gnome is simplistic?
[07:08] <nixternal> xfce is simplistic
[07:09] <adamant1988> in fact I'm putting Xubuntu on Jenny's (my fiance) computer for the little social experiment I'm doing.
[07:09] <nixternal> xubuntu might not be the best one for her, but ok
[07:09] <adamant1988> it has.. modest... hardware to say the least so Xubuntu is pretty much be required...
[07:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:10] <nixternal> i run kubuntu and ubuntu dual boot on a p2 600, 196mb ram, 10gb hard drive
[07:10] <adamant1988> otherwise I'd give her a default Ubuntu install.
[07:10] <adamant1988> hers is an old slow processor with 128 megs of ram.
[07:10] <adamant1988> It's running XP  SOMEHOW
[07:11] <nixternal> ouch
[07:11] <nixternal> i ran xubuntu on this laptop, and i couldn't tell a difference between it and the others speed wise
[07:11] <adamant1988> But I promised her that Linux would speed her computer up, and I know Xubuntu can run 'ok' on 64 megs of ram so I'm putting that on her computer.
[07:11] <nixternal> the fastest ubuntu is Kubuntu dapper w/ kde 3.5.3...and i will boot mine against anybodies anytime anywhere ;)
[07:12] <adamant1988> I'd be happier if Kubuntu didn't have that crap blue theme off the bat... The ubuntu color scheme should be universal throughout.
[07:13] <nixternal> [00:14]  <Red_Herring> anyoen think of a "Swtich to Ubuntu" virus?
[07:13] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:13] <adamant1988> that's good publicity
[07:13] <nixternal> adamant1988: i agree with the kubuntu artwork/theme
[07:13] <adamant1988> I met a kid who broke his fathers windows install to get him to use linux.
[07:14] <adamant1988> like 5 minutes ago in the forum room
[07:14] <adamant1988> sick kid.
[07:14] <nixternal> lol...i used a virus years ago to get a client of mine to switch over to *nix
[07:14] <nixternal> NetBSD
[07:14] <nixternal> oh..and they have never had a virus since
[07:15] <adamant1988> lol
[07:17] <nixternal> hmmm...ckenyon has a good one, sounds familiar, but it is good....Taste Freedom, Experience Ubuntu...as well as his "Join the Ubuntu Circle"...that is good
[07:18] <adamant1988> good slogans
[07:18] <adamant1988> I wonder why none of these are considered for the main slogan :)
[07:18] <nixternal> the ChicagoTeam named it's meeting "The Taste of Ubuntu"
[07:18] <nixternal> hint*The Taste of Chicago"
[07:18] <nixternal> ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> i posted my poster i was working on yesterday because there simply aren't any..and now there is a poster campaign
[07:19] <nixternal> i wish you would have done this earlier ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> it would make my life easier right now
[07:20] <adamant1988> lol
[07:20] <adamant1988> that'll teach you
[07:21] <nixternal> i like the current design and layout, just need to make it better
[01:31] <jenda> kgoetz: what's that?
[01:32] <kgoetz> jenda: teh 4.30 am meeting time :
[01:32] <kgoetz> *-:
[01:32] <jenda> ooh I see.
[01:32] <jenda> I'm sorry about that.
[01:33] <kgoetz> its no tlike  i have a lfe, but days the meeting ison i always have something on :|
[01:33] <kgoetz> nah, not your fault :(, juust a pain for me
[01:33] <jenda> But I'll keep an eye on time-screwers ;)
[01:33] <kgoetz> :)
[01:34] <kgoetz> and risk being wiped out fo rthe next 2 days
[01:37] <bimberi> kgoetz: 2nd place is 03:30 :/
[01:38] <mdke> kgoetz: that does happen sometimes. Rotating meeting times is a good way to avoid this
[01:38] <kgoetz> bimberi: even that would be better :
[01:38] <kgoetz> *:|
[01:39] <kgoetz> mdke: yeh. anyhow, see yuo u all later as k_k again
[01:39] <bimberi> oops, and 07:30
[01:45] <jenda> nixternal: You know what? I really think we should have the table of contents on the right. The huge white space in the middle of it does'nt look good.  Before drapper came out I could not get breezy working on my alpto so I used Opensuse and it took to long
[06:07] <jenda> aloha, y'all.
[06:07] <jenda> Is Suse worth trying?
[06:08] <adamant1988> I don't know
[06:08] <adamant1988> what's what I'm going to find out.
[06:08] <adamant1988> My main interest is the XGL integration and the new menu system.
[06:08] <adamant1988> I have to say that SUSE has always done well at producing an attractive gnome desktop
[06:08] <adamant1988> If Ubuntu could have that (except with two bars) then I would die.
[06:09] <adamant1988> nothing
[06:09] <adamant1988> I love Ubuntu's gnome desktop
[06:09] <adamant1988> I'm saying Suse's is more attractive
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> how so?
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> maybe i wasnt clear - what makes suses more atrractive?
[06:10] <adamant1988> I'm not sure... but it seems more 'elegant' I can't quite figure it out... I'm thinking it's the new menu system they've put in and the 'cleanness'.
[06:11] <adamant1988> Which Ubuntu has until people use and the bars get filled up...
[06:12] <adamant1988> haha
[06:12] <adamant1988> I don't.
[06:12] <adamant1988> Suse was what I used preubuntu, I was really happy with it except for the package managment.
[06:12] <adamant1988> YAST was broken hardcore
[06:16] <adamant1988> In my mind Suse only has one thing over Ubuntu... They sell boxed sets =\.  I'd love to buy myself an ubuntu boxed set and get a couple disks and a manual (hell maybe even a tshirt :) )
[06:17] <adamant1988> I would do it if it was in English
[06:17] <adamant1988> But I'm glad someone agrees that we should have boxed sets :P
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll keep using ubuntu-en, but having a box set would rock
[06:18] <adamant1988> I agree, lets write canonical.
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a german version of debian :)
[06:19] <sara_> Why doy ou think we need a box?
[06:19] <adamant1988> Because it's something tangible and physical.
[06:19] <adamant1988> You get a product, you want some confirmation that you have the product and that your money was well spent ( I kept my windows XP disks boxes for almost a year, sitting next to my computeR)
[06:20] <sara_> so waht is the diff between that and a Cd case
[06:20] <adamant1988> and... I read the manuals when I get bored =\
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol adamant1988
[06:20] <adamant1988> it's true
[06:21] <adamant1988> I didn't have an Ubuntu manual so I bought Ubuntu Hacks, the O ' Reilly book.
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i belive you :)
[06:21] <adamant1988> good book, lots of useful stuff about wine and all that.
[06:21] <adamant1988> plus..
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> and install skype ;)
[06:26] <adamant1988> "Oh yeah? My Mark Shuttleworth has +10 atk points"
[06:26] <Bigtoe> hah
[06:27] <adamant1988> "Oh no!"
[06:27] <jenda> Ooh! mom, I got two Seveases this time! I wonder if tommy would trade for a Kamion.
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i *love* it
[06:27] <adamant1988>  I'll trade you that saveases for a Tux the dragon (common it's a good deal)
[06:27] <jenda> No way.
[06:27] <adamant1988> wow, my Enlish went to hell in that sentance
[06:27] <jenda> Seveas, ban him!
[06:28] <adamant1988> Wow, we should stop this now...
[06:28] <adamant1988> before someone gets hurt
[06:28] <adamant1988> (jenda)
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely longer membered members are worth more o_0
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. longer membershiped members...
[06:29] <adamant1988> of course not
[06:29] <jenda> hehe ;)
[06:29] <adamant1988> What do you think this is? a fair game?
[06:29] <adamant1988> NO.
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:30] <adamant1988> Truth is I have a 90 card deck and I know where every card is inside of it
[06:30] <adamant1988> I can't be defeated Muahahahahahaha
[06:30] <jenda> Whoever has the sabdfl wins anyway, unless one other player has all the other three of the CC.
[06:30] <adamant1988> lemme guess you have it?
[06:30] <jenda> Or all the 143 or so other members :D
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:31] <jenda> ... ending the game and the flood of the channel logs :D
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[06:31] <adamant1988> Lol... ok... THAT is why we need an ubuntu boxed set.
[06:31] <adamant1988> hours of enjoyment without touching the computer
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, totally agree. *sage nods*
[06:31] <adamant1988> my fourth suse disk is done burning
[06:31] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: can you name the CC including IRC nicknames off the top of your head?
[06:31] <adamant1988> onto the fifth.
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, nope, i think i know 4 memebers, ;)
[06:32] <jenda> There are only 4 ;) (members of the CC)
[06:33] <adamant1988> Jenda
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> the ones i know arnt CC, they just exist as memmbers (you, hobbsee, robotgeek,... ok, 3)
[06:33] <adamant1988> write letters to canonical, tell them we want a boxed set.
[06:33] <jenda> hehe ;)
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> even as a novelty item
[06:34] <jenda> I think we'd first have to find out if the Ubuntu shop was interested.
[06:34] <adamant1988> it's possible... the germans have one
[06:34] <adamant1988> we should too...
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> heeh. The Germans was the name of one episode of Faulty Towers
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> its hilarious
[06:36] <adamant1988> lol... ok then..
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> you barbariens :( how can you not know Faulty Towers :(
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> * barbarians
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:36] <adamant1988> Have you watched 'House M.D."?
[06:36] <nixternal> wheeeeee
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> that doctor show?
[06:37] <adamant1988> yes
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal, hi :)
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, seen a few eps
[06:37] <nixternal> hey there Kamping_Kaiser, hello adamant1988 ;)
[06:37] <adamant1988> best show ever.
[06:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[06:37] <adamant1988> hey nixternal
[06:37] <adamant1988> I have the first season on DVD :)
[06:38] <adamant1988> nixternal what do you think about an Ubuntu boxed set?
[06:38] <nixternal> i like it
[06:38] <adamant1988> We're going to write lots of mean letters to the Ubuntu shop to get them to make it
[06:38] <nixternal> the hard thing with the us, is getting places to sell it
[06:38] <adamant1988> just sell it online
[06:38] <adamant1988> then people who want it will get it
[06:38] <nixternal> online stores will sell it since their overhead is nill usually
[06:38] <adamant1988> exactly
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> the hard thing everyware else is using US$ to buy it :O
[06:39] <nixternal> yup
[06:40] <adamant1988> well.. the germans have one specifically for them
[06:40] <adamant1988> we should too! (and europe and all that)
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc the german one is for anyone in EU, who is willing to speak german
[06:42] <adamant1988> exactly
[06:42] <adamant1988> so make a us version for anyone willing to pay in $
[06:43] <adamant1988> man.... here goes (installing suse on lappy)
[06:44] <adamant1988> I have to go to the bank and get about $150 put on a visa gift card...
[06:45] <adamant1988> yay lol
[06:45] <jenda> adamant1988: send about that much on my paypal account while you're at it ;)
[06:45] <adamant1988> lol it's almost all I have lol...
[06:46] <adamant1988> I need to buy a linux compatible printer, and I need to look at getting a cedega subscription so my sister will finally use Linux.
[06:46] <adamant1988> The only thing stopping her from using Ubuntu is Ragnorak Online.
[06:47] <adamant1988> I like "listen" the music player
[06:47] <adamant1988> it does everything Amorak does without the KDE-ishness
[06:47] <nixternal> woohoo...i just got my kubuntu cd's
[06:47] <adamant1988> SCORE
[06:47] <nixternal> i have a few hundred more to go now!!!
[06:48] <adamant1988> lol.
[06:48] <adamant1988> man those debian guys need to be quiet once in a while...
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. gl
[06:50] <adamant1988> I know, I'm waiting to the day Ubuntu has become far enough apart from the debian project that they'll quit harrassing us in blogs.
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, i'm waiting for the day ubuntu /is/ debian in 1 number of ports, 2 number of packages, 3 etc, and /is not/ debian in size. its closing in :(
[06:52] <adamant1988> i don't mind a big distro =\
[06:52] <adamant1988> here we go... formatting...
[06:53] <adamant1988> we'll find out if SLED 10 is worth it's weight.
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont mind a big distro, but ubuntu sucess was founded in its smallnes - ie it ran like a startup. now its so big its hard to controll/run
[06:54] <adamant1988> Well, either the canonical folks will see this and do something about it
[06:54] <adamant1988> otherwise ubuntu will have a problem solving bug #1
[06:54] <sara_> I think that they know about ut and are looking into it
[06:54] <adamant1988> I don't see bug #1 being solved without boxed sets personally.
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure will, and actually, its not canonicals issue to fix. it sthe ubuntu foundations
[06:55] <adamant1988> (ok, so I REEALLLY want a box set)
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, boxed linux doesnt sell that wlel, thers just some people who really like them
[06:55] <adamant1988> I know it doesnt, but it should be an option to those of us who want the manual and such... I'd feel cheap giving out shipit CDs for christmas...
[06:55] <Burgwork> adamant1988, there is a boxed set in germany
[06:55] <adamant1988> even though it'd be a great gift.
[06:56] <MenZa> bug #651
[06:56] <MenZa> woot
[06:56] <adamant1988> lol what bug is that?
[06:56] <MenZa> Chatzilla registers bug #somenumber as a Mozilla bug report
[06:56] <Burgwork> adamant1988, the issue with boxed sets is that setting up the manufacturing and distribution costs real money, for little obvious returns
[06:56] <MenZa> Provides a link
[06:56] <MenZa> I thought you guys were firing off html i nhere
[06:56] <MenZa> html in here*
[06:56] <adamant1988> I'd buy a ton of them lol
[06:57] <adamant1988> We're talking of creating an  Linux shop in town
[06:57] <adamant1988> because there are no alternative operating systems here.
[06:57] <adamant1988> I *might* have a location already lined up
[06:58] <adamant1988> and people here arne't going to take an OS seriously unless they pay for it in some way
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, take 500ml of blood, thats a bit serious ;)
[06:58] <adamant1988> haha
[06:58] <adamant1988> why don't I just ask for the first born child while I'm at it?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> adamant1988, nah, looking after children is anoying, just brainwash them
[06:59] <adamant1988> "USE UBUNTU" subliminal messaging
[06:59] <adamant1988> I'll raise an army to suit my purposes
[06:59] <adamant1988> BRILLIANT
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[07:00] <adamant1988> ok
[07:00] <adamant1988> so tabs in opera are WAY out of control
[07:00] <adamant1988> my tab bar is ALWAYS full and I can't figure out how that's happening
[07:01] <adamant1988> http://static.flickr.com/23/25510798_edbffcccad_m.jpg  <<< THATS WHAT I WANT
[07:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just realised it 2.30 again :|
[07:03] <adamant1988> 1 03 here.
[07:04] <adamant1988> gah, SUSE uses banshee by default...
[07:04] <adamant1988> how did I see that one coming.
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> as in 0103 or 1303?
[07:05] <adamant1988> is in 1:03 pm
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, right
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> its 02:35am here
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyay, nigth :)
[07:06] <nixternal> g'nite ;)
[07:06] <adamant1988> gnight
[07:07] <adamant1988> wow... suse installs slow.
[07:07] <adamant1988> 36:38 left on the install...
[07:07] <nixternal> oh ya, it is slow like ubuntu is slow
[07:07] <adamant1988> Ubuntu installed in like 20 minutes for me =\
[07:07] <nixternal> ubuntu is one of the slowest installs i have seen, where as Kubuntu is quick
[07:08] <nixternal> Ubuntu has never installed for me that quick
[07:08] <nixternal> ah well..i need some lunch and i have to prepare my speach for the meeting
[07:08] <adamant1988> installed on my old laptop in about 20 minutes =\
[07:08] <nixternal> i shall return
[07:08] <adamant1988> ok
[07:08] <adamant1988> I'll be in here to watch your meeting lol.
[07:09] <Bigtoe> i have never had it install in less than an hour
[07:18] <adamant1988> you guys are odd lol
[07:19] <adamant1988> grrr, there needs to be an ubuntu-rant channel with everyone in it.
[07:19] <Burgwork> -offtopic
[07:20] <adamant1988> Yeah... I met some guy in the ubuntuforums channel who's basically being all emo. (girls won't date him, not successful) etc.
[07:20] <adamant1988> He's playing depression down as the reason for his woes... I'm bipolar and ADD... it hasn't stopped me any... i don't get people like that.
[07:21] <Bigtoe> depression is a strange thing
[07:25] <adamant1988> yeah it is
[07:25] <adamant1988> so is psychosis.
[07:31] <Burgwork> this is wildly offtopic, so please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:33] <jenda> Thank you :)
[07:35] <adamant1988> Yeah that's why I asked about a rant channel lol
[07:35] <adamant1988> sorry couldn't contain it anymore I just wrote a blog about it so I'm good.
[07:41] <Burgwork> jenda, I can be a cold hearted bastard sometimes :)
[07:41] <jenda>
[07:53] <nixternal> [12:43]  <Burgwork> jenda, I can be a cold hearted bastard sometimes :)
[07:53] <nixternal> good, im not the only one then ;)
[07:54] <jenda> Hello mgalvin
[07:54] <jenda> I have a question :)
[07:54] <jenda> Is the UWN Rosettable?
[07:55] <jenda> aaand... I just realised that of course it isn't... because rosetta syncs monthly. Duh.
[07:55] <jenda> How is the UWN being translated, then?
[07:56] <mgalvin> jenda: hey...
[07:56] <nixternal> jenda: i believe the loco teams were going to be doing that
[07:56] <mgalvin> jenda: people just do it manually
[07:56] <nixternal> i know a couple were already doing so
[07:57] <jenda> nixternal: I'm asking for the Czech LoCo ;)
[07:57] <nixternal> there you go jenda, it is all you then, get to translatin' ;)
[07:57] <mgalvin> just grab the latest one from the wiki and make a translated copy, nothing special about it
[07:57] <jenda> Alrighty.
[07:57] <jenda> Will do.
[07:58] <jenda> Thanks.
[07:58] <jenda> And is there anything new? :)
[07:58] <jenda> Are you expecting more updates on the MT soon?
[07:58] <adamant1988> hello all... again
[08:13] <mgalvin> jenda: you guys can just give me an update whenever there are updates
[08:16] <adamant1988> hrmmm there's nothing that great in SUSE
[08:17] <adamant1988> the menu system is NICE but past that I can't see one single advantage of Ubuntu.
[08:19] <adamant1988> over*
[08:19] <mvirkkil> adamant1988: Beagle out of the box?
[08:20] <adamant1988> yeah, that's a nice thing, but I wouldn't call it neccessary
[08:21] <mvirkkil> adamant1988: Well, we could all be using msdos or vax. Most stuff is something someone thinks of as unnecessary
[08:21] <adamant1988> I see your point
[08:21] <adamant1988> but the menus are a really nice addon.
[08:22] <adamant1988> sad thing is, it didn't configure my laptop right
[08:22] <adamant1988> linux loves my laptop
[08:22] <adamant1988> so that's a shocker
[08:24] <adamant1988> the menus are a step in the right direction though
[08:38] <jenda> mgalvin: Alright, after the meeting then :)
[09:14] <jenda> Hello alecks ;)
[09:20] <jenda> make that hello a1ecks ;)
[09:22] <gaz00> hola
[09:23] <jenda> aloha, gaz00
[09:23] <jenda> a1ecks: are you interested in a bit of webdesign?
[09:29] <a1ecks> jenda: atm I'm a bit busy :/
[09:29] <a1ecks> jenda: but whats the job?
[09:30] <jenda> Spreadubuntu, but don't stress it - there's about a week or so more to work on it.
[09:32] <gaz00> hrm....
[09:32] <gaz00> spreadubuntu.org shows up as "for sale"... might be an issue
[09:32] <a1ecks> ah cool- i saw the forum post. I might try some stuff later/ tommorow
[09:32] <a1ecks> spreadubuntu.com is fine tho
[09:33] <jenda> great ;)
[09:33] <jenda> Yeah, we lost the .org.
[09:34] <jenda> Don't go there - the more people do, the higher the price will be if we want to buy it :-D
[09:35] <a1ecks> oh well
[09:35] <a1ecks> the .com is fine anyways
[09:36] <gaz00> looks like only [ http://www.kingcosmonaut.de/ ]  has linked to it
[09:36] <gaz00> Oh, and allforcarrie's sig [ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38938&highlight=alltray+gnome+terminal ]
[09:41] <nixternal> whee
[09:42] <nixternal> jenda: it seems you are the only one showing up, although jjesse emailed his stuff in just in case he couldn't make it
[09:45] <gaz00> lol...   Okay, so it's not exactly the best example of web design
[09:46] <jenda> haha, gaz00 ;)
[09:46] <jenda> nixternal: I'm with you :)
[09:46] <nixternal> ty sir
[09:46] <jenda> Can you link me to your wiki?
[09:46] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nixternal
[09:46] <jenda> right
[09:47] <nixternal> hehe
[09:47] <adamant1988> hello all.
[09:47] <nixternal> whats up adamant1988
[09:47] <adamant1988> not too much
[09:47] <adamant1988> I finally am getting some decent hours at work... 23.5 next week... increasing as I get trained on more things...
[09:47] <gaz00> hey cool!   80% chance of vista ready by jan [ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13812973/ ]
[09:47] <gnomefreak> anyone know where man pages are stored? /usr/share/doc?
[09:47] <nixternal> ewww
[09:48] <adamant1988> I have SUSE installed on my laptop
[09:48] <gaz00> gnomefreak: # which man
[09:48] <gnomefreak> man mount.smbfs
[09:48] <gaz00> gnomefreak:  on osx now, and its /usr/bin/man
[09:48] <adamant1988> I'm withholding all judgement but right now it seems the only advantage it has (for me) over Ubuntu is the menu system (which is AWESOME) and apparmor
[09:49] <jenda> gaz00: don't believe that ;) Besides, the longer it takes, the better for us.
[09:49] <adamant1988> actually
[09:49] <adamant1988> It would be better if they released sooner.
[09:49] <adamant1988> microsoft has a nasty habit of rushing things... just imagine what could happen if a practically beta version of Vista were released 0_0
[09:50] <adamant1988> that could be great for Linux in general.
[09:50] <gaz00> jenda: i'm fully aware.   80% is pretty low, but I find it amusing to see all the delays, and now, they are pushing it back another 6 months with a low chance of release
[09:51] <jenda> IT would be great if they released an extremely buggy (no doubt) beta-like final version...
[09:51] <jenda> ... by the end of 2011
[09:51] <adamant1988> haha
[09:52] <adamant1988> Wow.. I already want ubuntu back on my laptop
[09:53] <adamant1988> You never realize how much little things like sudo make life easier in linux until you use something like suse...
[09:53] <adamant1988> lol
[09:53] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:54] <adamant1988> although I do love the slab
[09:54] <nixternal> you know...that is something i noticed...you don't have to set up the sudoers config at all with Ubuntu
[09:54] <adamant1988> it's crazy how intuitive the slab is.
[09:55] <adamant1988> so Jenda you should help me argue a point that Ubuntu needs boxed sets to the shop.
[10:01] <jenda> I'll think about it. I'm hesitant if the initial investment isn't too large.
[10:01] <adamant1988> I think all we would have to show is that there IS a market for it.
[10:01] <Burgwork> jenda, boxed sets are madness
[10:01] <Burgwork> there is already a company doing them in germanyu
[10:01] <adamant1988> yeah, too bad those are in German...
[10:03] <jenda> Burgwork: well, they make a profit, dunney?
[10:04] <adamant1988> that's what I'm saying... if fhtere was a boxed set you might see people buying them as gifts and such, I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't think the market was there.
[10:04] <Burgwork> jenda, no idea, I expect not a great one
[10:04] <adamant1988> as long as they're reasonably priced and contain good stuff then they'll be good sellers I imagine.
[10:06] <adamant1988> I'm nto saying we'll see them in bestbuy or anything, but it would be nice to be able to order one
[10:08] <adamant1988> hrmm I'm going to have to plug my suse laptop in to the net to get a read on how it preforms under actual use.
[10:08] <adamant1988> I'll be back
[10:10] <gaz00> he really likes that boxed set idea, doesn't he?
[10:11] <jenda> I don't expect it to be a zillion dollar business, but if there's anyone interested in the project, they should contact the company in Germany...
[10:11] <jenda> damn, I was going to suggest to him to do that ;)
[10:11] <Burgwork> gaz00, madness
[10:15] <jenda> hello, j_baer
[10:26] <jenda> nixternal: brb, hope I don't miss it... five minutes, no more :)
[10:26] <nixternal> i don't think you will miss it ;)
[10:27] <ompaul> Burgwork, CC ?
[10:30] <jenda> what about it?
[11:12] <gaz00> off topic, but advertising fans might enjoy this:  http://www.glumbert.com/media/turkishbank.html
[11:18] <jenda> wow
[11:19] <gnomefreak> nixternal: deep dish ubuntu?
[11:19] <gnomefreak> sorry had to
[11:19] <nixternal> haha yes
[11:30] <gnomefreak> that cant be a good sign
[11:31] <jenda> you mean the new visitor to the meeting?
[11:31] <gnomefreak> jenda: and the CC wasnt saying anything
[11:31] <jenda> yep
[11:31] <gnomefreak> i have this feeling were going back to topic #1
[11:31] <jenda> I hope not.
[11:32] <Bigtoe> so whose meeting is going on right now?
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ubuntu cc meeting
[11:35] <Bigtoe> i guess i could have read the title :-/
[11:59] <jenda> Hello GStubbs43
[11:59] <GStubbs43> Hi
[12:01] <Bigtoe> fedora is going to have an exibit at oscon, but ubuntu isn't
[12:01] <Bigtoe> i am going to have to put a stack of ubuntu cds on fedora's table
[12:02] <jenda> Or make an exhibit. Where is oscon?
[12:02] <Bigtoe> portland, oregon
[12:02] <Bigtoe> i don't think there is enough time to put that together, it's in 2 weeks


[12:19] <zyga[m]> cjwatson: hello, I wanted to ask about gitlab + snap base series detection fix PR you've opened a while ago
[12:19] <zyga[m]> cjwatson: is it likely to land, I think it could help a few people but it would certainly help me :)
[12:19] <zyga[m]> I left one review question but I think that even that can be addressed later
[12:23] <jugmac00> cjwatson is not available this week. Could you add the link to the MP here anyway? Thank you.
[12:26] <zyga[m]> jugmac00: sure, the MR is https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/419405
[12:32] <jugmac00> zyga[m]: Thanks. I agree. The MP looks good. I just approved it. Let's wait til cjwatson returns next week.
[12:32] <zyga[m]> jugmac00: thank you for both :)
[22:08] <dericcrago> has anyone reported any build errors lately (last 5 hrs or so)?
[23:21] <sarnold> dmsimard: I dont think I've seen errors, but people have reported builds taking a long time to start


[00:06] <ahayzen> robert_ancell, hey, when running gnome-software from code, is there any special one needs to do to get polkit permissions to work with the snapd plugin ? I get things like "Requires authentication with @snapd"
[00:28] <robert_ancell> ahayzen, no, it should be automatic.
[00:29] <robert_ancell> ahayzen, what versions of g-s/snapd etc?
[00:31] <ahayzen> robert_ancell, gnome-software master and snapd 2.42.1, this in on fedora 31, as i couldn't get gnome-software master to build on ubuntu/debian before :-) (maybe it can now though)
[00:34] <robert_ancell> ahayzen, can you try:
[00:34] <robert_ancell> $ curl --unix-socket /run/snapd.socket http://localhost/v2/logs
[00:34] <robert_ancell> $ curl --unix-socket /run/snapd.socket -H 'X-Allow-Interaction: true' http://localhost/v2/logs
[00:34] <robert_ancell> The former should fail with an auth error, the latter should prompt for a Polkit auth
[00:34] <robert_ancell> The command is otherwise safe and will just return some system logs
[00:35] <ahayzen> yup those work :-)
[00:35] <robert_ancell> All G-S does is set the HTTP headers, and snapd does the Polkit auth. Perhaps it's not working in Fedora for some reason
[00:36] <ahayzen> yeah, must be broken somehow.  I studied german for 7 years and never used it
[09:38] <Laney> same
[09:38] <Laney> will get the chance in 2020 though!
[10:16] <jibel> I even worked for a german company and never spoke a single word of german
[10:18] <jibel> no wonder tests were passing, I was testing the wrong code :(((
[10:18] <jibel> I need holidays
[11:36] <duflu> I will be in Monday and Tuesday. For anyone I don't see then, happy holidays
[15:16] <kenvandine> getting all caught up on USN refreshes before the EOY
[15:18] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[15:18] <jibel> is seb128 here today?
[15:18] <kenvandine> he just joined :)
[15:19] <kenvandine> he's not supposed to be here
[15:19] <seb128> hey
[15:19]  * kenvandine glares at seb128
[15:19] <jibel> I don't see joiners
[15:19] <seb128> I travelled on wednesday and said I wouls swap some hours
[15:19] <jibel> salut seb128
[15:19] <seb128> lut jibel
[15:19] <seb128> hey kenvandine
[15:19] <seb128> what's up?
[15:19] <kenvandine> getting caught up on all these USN refreshes :)
[15:20] <jibel> not much, very quiet day, fixing the testsuite of ubuntu-release-upgrader before holidays
[15:20] <seb128> holiday coming \o/
[15:20] <kenvandine> seb128: i don't think i can get to grilo
[15:20] <jibel> man need it so much
[15:20] <Laney> moin seb128 kenvandine
[15:20] <jibel> +I
[15:20] <kenvandine> gotta finish these refreshes and a couple other bits of and bobs before the new year
[15:20] <seb128> kenvandine, no worry, as I said it can wait for after holidays
[15:20] <seb128> hey Laney
[15:21] <kenvandine> sorry... last minute push :)
[15:21] <seb128> kenvandine, I noticed the trello spam, that's still not fixed :p
[15:21] <kenvandine> lol
[15:48] <hellsworth> good morning folks!
[17:58] <hellsworth> how do i restart multipassd again?
[17:59] <hellsworth> answer: sudo snap restart multipass
[18:01] <hellsworth> grumble grumble multipass is still taking forever to start a vm and then fails saying it can't find snap/snapcraft.yaml :(
[18:02] <hellsworth> ok there it goes
[18:02] <hellsworth> finally
[18:20] <Laney> finishing the year on an upload that doesn't build anywhere /o\
[18:20] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/3.34.2-1ubuntu1
[18:20] <hellsworth> sounds about right
[18:21] <Laney> works on my system
[18:21] <Laney> fml
[18:22] <Laney> will have to hope I get a chance to look into it
[18:22] <Laney> BYEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[18:22] <hellsworth> cheers!!
[18:22] <hellsworth> happy holidays :)
[18:25] <seb128> Laney, enjoy the holidays!
[18:35] <seb128> tjaalton, the liglvnd update seems to make things angry, looks like the -dev doesn't bring libGL anymore which fails random autopkgtests and builds
[18:38] <tjaalton> seb128: things moved to libgl-dev etc
[18:40] <tjaalton> could be they were tested against new mesa + old glvnd
[18:40] <tjaalton> glvnd seems to be out of new now
[18:41] <seb128> tjaalton, see the libglvnd section on https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-package
[18:41] <seb128> yes, I newed it today
[18:41] <seb128> tjaalton, that sounds weird, new mesa was waiting on glvnd to be newed to build
[18:41] <seb128> but yeah, you are right, autopkgtest only pick the one package it tests from proposed
[18:42] <tjaalton> should have both
[18:42] <seb128> if they need to go in lock step then you miss a Breaks?
[18:42] <tjaalton> maybe
[18:42] <seb128> or versioned depends
[18:44] <tjaalton> libgl-dev has breaks on old mesa
[18:44] <tjaalton> etc
[18:44] <tjaalton> and replaces
[18:45] <tjaalton> so it's new glvnd and old mesa
[18:48] <seb128> tjaalton, unsure why it manages to try those autopkgtests with the old mesa then
[18:48] <seb128> tjaalton, anyway either we need to fix the dependencies for that to not happen
[18:48] <seb128> or we need to manually retry those with a trigger on the new mesa version
[18:49] <tjaalton> I don't see what to change without making circular deps
[18:54] <seb128> tjaalton, well<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:54] <seb128> tjaalton, that installs libglvnd-dev and no libgl-dev so maybe that one should also have the Breaks to force the mesa upgradE?
[18:55] <tjaalton> that's just a broken package, libglvnd-dev never provided libGL.so
[18:56] <tjaalton> nah, it installs libgl1-mesa-dev which used to provide it
[18:57] <tjaalton> new version of it depends on libgl-dev now, this test installed the old version
[18:58] <tjaalton> ah actually
[18:58] <tjaalton> libglvnd-dev did provide the .so, but not headers
[19:00] <tjaalton> so adding the lib{egl,gl,gles}-dev pkgs as libglvnd-dev depends should fix it
[19:00] <tjaalton> new mesa isn't actually needed for this
[19:00] <seb128> sounds like tyhe right way to fix it
[19:00] <seb128> it's just that something should pull in libgl which doesn't atm
[19:02] <tjaalton> right
[19:03] <tjaalton> didn't realize so many pkgs had actually started to build-depend on libglvnd-dev instead of mesa-common-dev etc
[19:03] <tjaalton> or any at all..
[19:04] <tjaalton> anyway, I'll push a new one to debian
[19:27] <Laney> this is probably something to do with why mutter fails too
[19:27] <Laney> so I hope for it to magically fix itself :>
[19:39] <tjaalton> tomorrow-ish
[23:22] <hellsworth> ok i'm off. see yall next year!!


[09:27] <pstolowski> cimi, hey, i see tsdgeos approve single-preview, shall i rebuild the silo?
[09:27] <cimi> pstolowski, hi
[09:27] <cimi> pstolowski, I rebuilt last night iirc
[09:29] <pstolowski> k
[11:29] <tsdgeos> cimi: morning, did you get my message about a suggestion how to test http://paste.ubuntu.com/15181460/ ?
[11:29] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah, thanks man!
[12:24] <cimi> tsdgeos, pstolowski https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-sharing-string-and-array/+merge/287008
[12:27] <pstolowski> cimi, ty
[13:37] <mterry> Saviq, ick, sorry about the relock-during-tutorial test break
[13:37] <Saviq> mterry, tsk tsk ;)
[13:38]  * mterry thought he ran full suite
[15:05] <cimi> pstolowski, hi
[15:05] <pstolowski> cimi, hey
[15:06] <cimi> pstolowski, I know you've been working a lot recently :) but did you have a chance to look at the social cards too?
[15:06] <pstolowski> cimi, no, sorry... trying to wrap filters...
[15:14] <Saviq> mterry, could we have a packaging review in https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/ubuntu-settings-components/packaging-cleanup/+merge/284376 please
[15:15] <mterry> k
[15:16] <mterry> Saviq, woah a source rename?
[15:16] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, is that really bad? ;)
[15:17] <mterry> Saviq, no..  just means it has to go through NEW and all that jazz again
[15:18] <Saviq> mterry, meeh it's in universe ;)
[15:18] <Saviq> mterry, and you can NEW it for us :)
[15:18] <mterry> Saviq, I can't!  I'm not actually on the archive team
[15:18] <mterry> Saviq, when doing that process, you should also file a bug to remove the old source package, and sub the archive team
[15:19] <Saviq> mterry, ack
[15:22] <mterry> Saviq, if you're doing a Provides: oldpackage, you don't NEED to provide oldpackage anymore.  You'll get some warnings about depending on a virtual package from other packages that haven't switched yet, but they ought to still work
[15:23] <mterry> Saviq, providing the old package is good for upgrades.  But in this case, something will depend on the new name shortly, I imagine
[15:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, if you can have a look too https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/preview-sharing-string-and-array/+merge/287008
[15:57] <tsdgeos> cimi: i'll have a look tomorrow morning, ok?
[15:58] <cimi> tsdgeos, no problem for me
[16:09] <pstolowski> cimi, silo 76 is ready for testing, right?
[16:23] <cimi> pstolowski, yes
[16:26] <Saviq> pstolowski, note we have silo 64 going before it
[16:26] <pstolowski> Saviq, ack
[16:26] <Saviq> already under design review
[17:31] <josharenson> mterry: So the thing we talked about w. the greeter yesterday kind of works... However, having the login call depend on the greeter _not_ being promptless makes it impossible to actually login when we really are promptless (if that makes sense)... Current behavior is that the greeter, correctly, waits for the user to "tap" the login button, but it only shows the shim stage as the call to login() is never actually made. I have se
[17:32] <mterry> josharenson, why do we show shim stage?
[17:32] <josharenson> mterry: because the "device" is unlocked
[17:33] <josharenson> but never logged in
[17:33] <mterry> josharenson, let's hangout  :)
[17:33] <josharenson> ok
[17:33]  * mterry makes one
[17:34] <mterry> josharenson, wait, how do I make a hangout now?  I used to do it from G+, but that UI changd
[17:34] <josharenson> hangouts.google.com ?
[17:35] <josharenson> yeah
[17:36] <josharenson> mterry: then you have to make it available to everyone (not just canonical) and you'll get a link
[17:36] <mterry> josharenson, didn't I send you one?
[17:37] <josharenson> mterry: yeah I joined
[17:37] <mterry> josharenson, humph, I'm the only one in mine
[17:37] <josharenson> mterry: lol let me re-join
[17:38] <josharenson> mterry: oh it says "requesting to join"
[17:38] <mterry> josharenson, I don't see a message about you
[17:38] <mterry> josharenson, I invited you
[17:39] <josharenson> mterry: i see the problem
[17:39] <josharenson> 1 min
[18:25] <josharenson> mterry: looks like its working almost exactly as we expected, just need to clean it up and make sure tests pass
[19:14] <mterry> josharenson, belated awesome  :)


[16:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Xubuntu and Lubuntu have switched to Pipewire by default for 23.04, joining Ubuntu. I'm working on fixing Installer since it pulls in studio-controls which causes issues as autojack expects pulseaudio. Basically, I'm making it so that the pipewire-pulse package satisfies the dependency.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that doesn't fix the audio meta since it also pulls-in studio-controls, so I'm trying to figure out how to make the alternate dependency there, which means adjusting our seed.
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> Alternate dependency doesn't work in seeds. :/
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Easy solution: Remove dependency of studio-controls from ubuntustudio-installer by taking the "studio-system fix" script and putting it into its own script executed as part of installer.