[00:08] <zlatan> hi to all...my ubuntu 11.04 can't to connect to internet(but it is trying)...when it type iwconfig it says for wlan0:
[00:08] <zlatan> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20 dBm  Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:offEncryption key:offPower Management:off
[00:09] <zlatan> any clue what is going on and how to connect :)
[00:26] <zlatan> ??
[01:40] <hv> is it true that you can no longer have two or more cities in the date/time indicator applet?
[01:40] <hv> or I am missing something?
[01:51] <coz_> hv,   I am not s ure on natty
[01:54] <rmcbride> the original tz behavior should wind up back in the time indicator by release. It is not there now however.
[01:54] <rmcbride> I believe it's being redesigned
[03:26] <yellowblue> !ops im a true gangsta
[03:27] <yellowblue> !ops
[03:43] <hv> coz_: thanks (though you have quit the channel)
[03:43] <hv> rmcbride: I see, thanks.
[04:15] <rmcbride> no problem, hv. I noticed it too. I use the multi timezone thing a lot
[04:36] <dw1> hello - looking for some Windows 7 Ubuntu 10.4 dual boot install advice. Anyone here can help?
[04:37] <dw1> Windows 7 is already installed. I want to "install them side by side" without changing the size of any existing partitions, so I am torn between "install them side by side......" and "use the largest continuous free space"
[04:37] <dw1> I want to do exactly both of these things, but I am asked to choose between them (or go manual).
[04:38] <dw1> Which is preferred?
[04:40] <cozziemoto> dw1,  I would go with  install side by side
[04:40] <cozziemoto> dw1,  you should then be givine a slider to resize partition if you like for ubuntu
[04:41] <cozziemoto> "given"
[04:41] <Volkodav> go manual and do partitions as you like
[04:42] <dw1> cozziemoto: OK, Thanks, advice noted
[04:42] <cozziemoto> I am noticing that wacom tablet cursor is jittery  almost to the point of trails
[04:43] <cozziemoto> who is implimenting the wacom drivers into natty?
[04:50] <dw1> Volkodav: CAn you give me a little coaching on the manual option?
[04:50] <dw1> Volkodav: I have already 3 primary partitions. I don't want them touched at all
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: Two are for Windows 7 OS. The third is for my dta files
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: So I want Ubuntu to manage with 1 extended partion and however many logical partitions in there it needs
[04:51] <dw1> Volkodav: Does that sound OK to you?
[04:54] <coz_>    dw1   did you read here?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition
[04:55] <dw1> coz_: thanks. I'll take a look
[04:56] <dw1> coz_: I really need an option that says "Install them side by side, choosing between them each at startup AND for this purpose use the largest continuous free space
[04:56] <dw1> coz_:  That would be perfect
[04:56] <coz_> cool
[04:56] <coz_> mm
[04:56] <dw1> coz_:  I I want to select two of four radio buttons, but it will only let me select one
[04:56] <coz_> dw1,  generally it installs side by side anyway
[04:56] <coz_> mm
[04:57] <dw1> coz_:  So perhaps doing it manually is the way to go
[04:57] <dw1> coz_:  Ah!!. Your last comment about side by side anyway is reassuring
[04:57] <coz_> dw1,   ok  is that link explaining manual partitioning
[04:58] <coz_> dw1,  when it gets to the partition manager.. a slider should be available for moving the partiion size around
[04:59] <coz_> dw1,  it is by far the easiest way...however ...again... if you want manual paritioning go for it...
[04:59] <coz_> I have to break here  ,,, be back in a few
[04:59] <dw1> coz_: Thanks v much for your time
[06:01] <victory> I just upgraded to natty, and it seems the "Classic" desktop and the "Ubuntu" desktop are both running the same Gnome panels. Where is the new Unity interface?
[06:35] <sidnei> victory, you'll only see Unity if your hardware supports it. i think that means ATI graphics at the moment. i heard there'll be a fallback unity 2d that works for all graphic drivers before final.
[06:53] <victory> sidnei, Thanks. I just figured that out. I have nvidia - was trying nouveau, but although compiz works in classic desktop, I get no window decorations in the normal/unity desktop
[06:54] <victory> the 2d is in the repos, but does it work?
[07:14] <sidnei> dunno. i know there's a ppa with it, which suggests that the repos aren't the latest
[07:14] <sidnei> theres more info on omg ubuntu
[08:36] <alkisg> Trying to upgrade natty, I get "dpkg-vendor: not found" by the mount package
[08:36] <alkisg> Should I install dpkg-dev to workaround it?
[08:39] <alkisg> OK symlinking /bin/true to /usr/bin/dpkg-vendor allowed the mount package to be upgraded.
[10:49] <bazhang> bug #1
[10:49] <kcj> Ah. LOL. Fail on my part.
[11:05] <om26er> the problem in the ISO; icon theme problem, is solved if you reinstall librsvg2-common and relogin. should I report a bug?
[12:40] <hedin> Hi, I just hit what looks like a bug.... in evolution+mapi... here is the console output from evolution. http://paste.ubuntu.com/567636/
[13:52] <SupeR_NovA> help me now run ubuntu 11.04 nvidia driver Vmware ?
[13:54] <penguin42> my understanding is that the nvidia driver isn't available for 11.04 yet - but what does that have to do with vmware?
[13:57] <rumpe1> me have nvidia driver ⊙_ʘ
[13:58] <rumpe1> but of course not in vm
[13:59] <yofel> rumpe1: not available for current X
[14:00] <rumpe1> yofel, ? ... and what do i have then?
[14:00] <rumpe1> i can use Nvidia X Server settings... thought this would be the nvidia driver
[14:00] <yofel> I don't know, check the version of xserver-xorg-core, if you have the nvidia driver installed it probably kept new X back
[14:01] <rumpe1> ah... could be
[14:01] <yofel> even the newest beta driver from nvidia segfaults with x-server 1.10
[14:02] <rumpe1> have v1:7.5+6ubuntu6
[14:02] <rumpe1> well ... ok then
[14:03] <yofel> that's xorg, and the old one
[14:03] <yofel> current xorg is 1:7.6~3ubuntu4 and xserver 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1+git20110131.be3be758-0ubuntu4
[14:03] <rumpe1> and i wondered why to many packages were kept back :>
[14:03] <yofel> I'm currently using old X with nvidia too, as nouveau isn't really usable here :S
[14:04] <rumpe1> although network-manager is buggy, i'm still impressed with it's overall stability
[14:05] <yofel> agreed, I'm on kde though
[14:05] <SupeR_NovA> penguin42, I installed it under vmware and ask if I can install the drivers but it was not something to help
[14:06] <penguin42> SupeR_NovA: NVidia install in vmware won't help you; there is a vmware driver
[14:10] <SupeR_NovA> penguin42,  okey but is there a way to let third-unity to his happy the new
[14:10] <penguin42> sorry, I don't understand that question
[14:29] <zlatan> hi...there isn't skype or opera in my natty repos...how do I add them
[14:34] <charlie-tca> zlatan: enable the canonical partner repository
[14:36] <zlatan> charlie-tca, it says: ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the
[14:36] <zlatan> ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
[14:36] <zlatan> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner
[14:36] <zlatan> # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner
[14:36] <charlie-tca> and it includes skype in natty
[14:36] <zlatan> so I believe it is enabled but there actually isn't any packages in partner part of repo
[14:36] <charlie-tca> !info skype
[14:37] <charlie-tca> your right, zlatan
[14:37] <charlie-tca> apparently doesn't get there yet
[14:37] <charlie-tca> !info skype maverick
[14:37] <charlie-tca> I can't win with this bot
[14:37] <charlie-tca> skype was in partner for lucid and maverick
[14:39] <charlie-tca> maybe we don't get to have it until it closer to release.
[17:02] <Pretto> unity is not working after system upgrade. what can i do?
[17:04] <patdk-wk> not sure, I guess you could reinstall
[17:07] <Pretto> patdk-wk: here is something that may help if someone wants to help http://pastebin.com/2KX4rxY4
[17:52] <espen77> my natty launcher is showing the disks for my lucid system, any way to remove them?
[18:44] <Pretto> does unity runs with nvidia?
[18:45] <yofel> yes, but there is no nvidia driver for current X server 1.10 - nouveau has 3D support for some cards though
[18:46] <Pretto> yofel: it seems that it's not working here
[19:18] <coz_> ooo bug in valac
[21:32] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:32] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:33] <Omega> How do you restart unity?
[21:33] <Omega> I'm having stacking issues
[21:33] <BUGabundo> you press the power button on the PC
[21:33] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:33] <Omega> (it doesn't autohide)
[21:33] <ginnn> hi
[21:33] <charlie-tca> logout/login?
[21:33] <Omega> BUGabundo: If you don't have a useful answer, don't say anything.
[21:34] <ginnn> any one here using 11.04 alpha 2?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> isn't autohide broken again?
[21:34] <Omega> I'm using intellihide
[21:35] <BUGabundo> uuhhhh Omega is sensible :P
[21:35] <BUGabundo> relax and have fun
[21:35] <BUGabundo> if it aint working. it brokne
[21:35] <charlie-tca> +1
[21:35] <Omega> BUGabundo: You're not helping.
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:35] <BUGabundo> no help from me then :P
[21:36] <Omega> This is a support channel, not a relaxing channel.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> aahh
[21:37] <charlie-tca> guess I will go back to relaxing, myself
[21:37] <BUGabundo> you have been here for so long, haven't you ?
[21:37] <charlie-tca> support is hard work
[21:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: [[]]
[21:39] <Omega> It's a shame two MOTU (that know eachother) would behave like this.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Um, I don't qualify for that. I am not a MOTU, developer, or programmer. I am simply another user here
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Perhaps you think this a developers channel? Most of us are simple users that run the latest stuff to help test it.
[21:41] <BUGabundo> +1
[21:41] <BUGabundo> I'm just an Ubuntu Member
[21:41] <BUGabundo> don't even Code a line :P
[21:42] <Omega> Yes, meaning you've signed the COC.
[21:42] <BUGabundo> but do help other users, report bugs, take care of documentation and promote FLOSS
[21:42] <BUGabundo> COC doesn't make anyone MOTU
[21:42] <BUGabundo> gives them them the title of Ubuntero/Ubuntista
[21:42] <penguin42> Omega: Take it easy; no one here is a professional support guy; people do it to try and move stuff forward - so take it easy
[21:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: from my POV
[21:43] <BUGabundo> telling someone to be calm, tends to irritate them
[21:44] <penguin42> BUGabundo: True :-)
[21:45] <Omega> If he was honestly trying to be helpfull I wouldn't have made it such a big deal.
[21:45] <BUGabundo> if you ask nicely and clearly what you want
[21:45] <IdleOne> I can see where Omega is coming from, they are having an issue and it is frustrating, the answer they got were not helpful but were also not violations of the COC. All that said NOBODY owes you anything here. we help when we can and if we feel like it. attitudes should reflect that.
[21:45] <BUGabundo> and don't be so aggressive to users that spend their day helping others, you might get a bit more help
[21:46] <BUGabundo> we are all here for fun and community help
[21:46] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: I've , as all of us, have been hit by ooohhhh so many frustrating bugs....
[21:47] <IdleOne> indeed
[21:47] <BUGabundo> I've been running devel since 6.06
[21:47] <glenn> trying to boot to natty alpha 2 on a macbook and all i get is black screen
[21:47] <IdleOne> So anyway, back to support :)
[21:47] <Omega> glenn: Did it work before?
[21:48] <Omega> BUGabundo: Did I not ask clearly and nicely? Was I being aggressive?
[21:48] <glenn> no this is first time trying with this disk, i don't it likes my nvidia video card, do u know the boot parameter for vesa
[21:49] <glenn> or is there a "rescue mode" option?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Omega: ok, /clear
[21:49] <BUGabundo> what can we help you with?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> GPU? 32bit or 64?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> upgrade or clean isntall?
[21:49] <BUGabundo> fully updated or milestone?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> which driver? which WM?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> enough for you ?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I guess I scared him
[21:53] <BUGabundo> oh well
[21:56] <Omega> Why do you need to know _any_ of the things you asked me to answer my question?
[21:56] <Omega> Stop wasting my time, really. If you don't know the answer, don't respond, don't tell me to reboot.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> you need a sense of humor
[22:00] <IdleOne> OK lets start over.
[22:00] <Omega> Again, this is not the place for humor.
[22:00] <IdleOne> Omega: can you please restate your question
[22:01] <Omega> How do you restart unity? I'm having stacking issues.
[22:01] <IdleOne> log out and log back in
[22:01] <vish> Omega:  "unity --restart"
[22:01] <IdleOne> also I think the command unity --reset
[22:01] <Omega> Thank you vish.
[22:01] <IdleOne> or --restart
[22:02] <vish> hmmm.. maybe IdleOne is right :D
[22:02]  * vish hides..
[22:02] <vish> iirc, the reset on was to reset to the default options..
[22:02] <IdleOne> Now that we got that sorted. Please keep in mind that you will get more flies with honey...not sure you would want more flies.
[22:02] <IdleOne> :)
[22:03] <vish> yummy :p
[22:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you a motu now?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> heck no
[22:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: He's a BOTU, not got the mastership yet
[22:06] <BUGabundo> can you imagine the amount of stuff I *could* break? :P
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahaha
[22:06] <bjsnider> he called you a motu
[22:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:06] <bjsnider> it's clearly a conspiracy
[22:06] <BUGabundo> he tough *everyone* here was
[22:06] <BUGabundo> or at least by the cloak
[22:07] <penguin42> meddlers of the universe
[22:07] <bjsnider> oh, maybe he meant you're an ubuntu member
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I guess
[22:07] <BUGabundo> !membership
[22:07] <IdleOne> How did you get membership?
[22:07] <IdleOne> they accept anybody
[22:07] <IdleOne> :P
[22:07] <bjsnider> bribery plain and simple
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I went for an Inquisition
[22:08] <BUGabundo> plus some past probs caused me a bit of trouble
[22:09] <BUGabundo> then again, my past 20k karma at LP helped too
[22:09]  * BUGabundo misses 20k
[22:09] <vish> BUGabundo actually cheated to get that 20k from what i hear
[22:09] <vish> ;)
[22:09] <BUGabundo> LIES
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I used to work more then the darn ubottu
[22:10] <vish> the plot thickens ;)
[22:10] <BUGabundo> kept up to date on pretty much any bug on +1
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and all MLs
[22:10] <BUGabundo> can't keep up with that this days
[22:10] <BUGabundo> most of my effors are now directed to android and CM
[22:10] <hggdh> heh. welcome to the group
[22:10] <BUGabundo> and our local android forum
[22:10] <BUGabundo> hheeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy hggdh
[22:11] <BUGabundo> missed you buddy
[22:11] <hggdh> BUGabundo: pois ca estou :-)
[22:11] <hv> oh god! appmenu indicator leaks like crazy. used 1.6G mem!
[22:11] <vish> BUGabundo: hggdh has been happily lost in the world of ubuntu-users mailing list ;p
[22:11] <BUGabundo> how's the job at canonical?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> still rolling ?
[22:11]  * vish hides..
[22:11] <hggdh> vish: I left the ML :-)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I haven't been in -users in years
[22:11] <BUGabundo> lucklly
[22:11] <hggdh> BUGabundo: life goes good
[22:12] <vish> hggdh: finally!! good for you :)
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I left ALL MLs when I got a SSD
[22:12] <BUGabundo> over 80GBs of email dumped lol
[22:12] <penguin42> weird; my chromium is locked up (100% cpu) as is wicd-client, exaile and quicksynergy
[22:12] <bjsnider> exaile? ugh
[22:13] <BUGabundo> penguin42: shitf + esc
[22:13] <penguin42> bjsnider: I bounce between exaile and amarok at the moment, my amarok stopped working and I haven't figured out why
[22:13] <bjsnider> the guys who develop exaile should go and fix amarok
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:14] <bjsnider> instead, we have lots of programming resources and each one is developing his own media player
[22:14] <bjsnider> do we need 647 media players?
[22:14] <vish> penguin42: i thought you were a gnome user..hmm..
[22:15] <BUGabundo> MOCP ftw
[22:15] <vish> or maybe i'm confusing with someone else :)
[22:15] <penguin42> vish: <---- is running gnome ----> is running KDE    although they both used to be Gnome but with Unity I thought I'd try KDE again and have stuck with it for a few weeks
[22:15] <vish> ha!
[22:15] <hggdh> penguin42: how KDE behaving?
[22:16] <penguin42> hggdh: Not too bad, I've got a fix submitted for one bug that was annoying me (can't mount luks partitions) but at the moment natty is being flaky for me in both gnome and kde
[22:16]  * hggdh will keep with the known evil, then
[22:17] <penguin42> pidgin on here is being flaky I think with libdbusmenu, and the open radeon drivers on the kde box are getting flaky
[22:18] <hggdh> penguin42: weechat (at least the dev version) runs nicely here
[22:19] <hggdh> (but no dbus interface)
[22:20] <penguin42> hggdh: I don't think it's pidgin's fault from the last crash I got - I think it's libdbusmenu, but now I've got all the debug packages installed it hasn't crashed again yet
[22:20] <hggdh> of course
[22:20] <hggdh> now it knows you will be able to zero in the crash ;-)
[22:21] <penguin42> yeh
[22:21] <penguin42> the radeon crashes are annoying me though - I think it was Sunday when I just had loads of different crashes
[22:22] <hggdh> this is actually something I am getting worried on, I cannot check on UNity right now -- no nvidia drivers
[22:22] <hggdh> so it's nouveau and the known issues, with the classic desktop
[22:22] <penguin42> hggdh: I tried unity for a while, it was flaky as hell and I didn't like it, so this machine is just running classic
[22:23] <bjsnider> nvidia released a new blob a couple days ago that added almost nothing to the previous one, an annoying move by them
[22:23] <hggdh> penguin42: unless you have an Intel card, this is pretty much what works right now -- classic on X 1.10
[22:23] <penguin42> bjsnider: I wish I could say welcome to closed source drivers, but unfortunately the open Radeon driver isn't helping me much
[22:24] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yeh this box running gnome is i945gm
[22:24] <bjsnider> nvidia is hiring more developers and may be shifting their linux strategy in some way
[22:24] <hggdh> BTW, grapevine says Dell is buying AMD
[22:25] <penguin42> yeh heard that, could be fun to watch
[22:30] <bjsnider> why the hell would dell want amd
[22:30] <bjsnider> dell has been paid for years by intel to use their chips
[22:31] <penguin42> Dell often used Radeons
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Nothing but Radeon a couple of years
[22:46] <Pretto> will natty will be ready to run on laptops with nvidia till april?
[22:47] <penguin42> Pretto: It'll probably be a little bit before release
[22:47] <penguin42> Pretto: It happens pretty much in every release that the closed drivers take a while to catch up
[22:48] <Pretto> penguin42: hehehe i hope so, i was trying it today but had no luck with nvidia drivers
[22:48] <Pretto> penguin42: when you install it the xorg is removed
[22:49] <penguin42> Pretto: I think that's because it conflicts with the version of the X server
[22:51] <Pretto> penguin42: maybe, i hope that it doesnt happen after release, it causes the system to be unusable to an end user
[22:51] <penguin42> Pretto: It normally gets sorted out
[22:51] <Pretto> penguin42: let's wait :)


[00:19] <charlie-tca> First screenshot - Natty desktop with Xfce4.7 and new panels
[00:19] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/126610
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Ignore the text on the desktop, it is conky running
[07:43] <shad1> Hello
[07:43] <shad1> Is there someone who could please help me real quick?
[07:44] <TheSheep> !hi | shad1
[07:44] <shad1> Hey! Alright
[07:46] <shad1> So, I'm trying to install Xubuntu on my Mac Mini, but the .iso file is too big for my CD's, and I can't do DVDs because the Mac mini won't read those. And it won't boot off of any USB drives either
[07:46] <shad1> How do I 'skim' the .iso down?
[07:46] <TheSheep> its should fit on the cd :/
[07:47] <TheSheep> but you can also do a network install
[07:47] <TheSheep> !mini
[07:48] <shad1> Well I thought so too, but every time Power ISO keeps telling me 744 needed, 702 available...should I just use a different program?
[07:48] <TheSheep> trying won't hurt
[07:48] <Myrtti> the disks are less than 700M in size, so perhaps
[07:49] <TheSheep> you can also try enabling 'overburn' in the program's options
[07:49] <shad1> I couldnt find that in powerisop
[07:49] <shad1> powerIso*
[07:49] <TheSheep> be sure that you are recording the file as image, not just putting the file on the cd
[07:49] <TheSheep> the latter won't work
[07:50] <shad1> How can I tell the difference? I double-click the file to open, then hit burn
[07:52] <shad1> I mean, when I open it, it tells me the file is a Hybrid Mac/PC Image, as opposed to "Non-bootable image" or somethingm
[07:54] <TheSheep> I really don't know that program you are using
[07:54] <TheSheep> !iso
[07:54] <TheSheep> hmm
[07:54] <TheSheep> !burn
[07:55] <TheSheep> they have a howto there
[07:55] <shad1> Ah, I knew it would be a problem trying to do this from Windows..
[07:56] <shad1> I tried making a VM to do stuff from there but it was bugging out on me ;/
[07:57] <shad1> Damn, Daemon tools does not work either, same "insufficient disc space" error
[07:59] <TheSheep> shad1: make sure the iso you download is correct -- check the md5 checksum
[07:59] <TheSheep> !md5 | shad1
[08:06] <Myrtti> shad1: you could try InfraBurn
[08:06] <Myrtti> oh, vm.
[08:07] <shad1> Do I need to extract the .iso to check the md5sum? I follow the directions and it just spits out a ton of errors
[08:07] <Myrtti> shad1: no
[08:07] <shad1> Hm
[08:11] <shad1> Well I'm just going for the overburning option
[08:11] <TheSheep> shad1: if the md5 is incorrect, you will just waste a cd
[08:11] <TheSheep> shad1: your download was corrupted
[08:11] <TheSheep> shad1: download again
[08:12] <TheSheep> (or use bittorrent, it can download only the broken parts)
[08:12] <shad1> I'll try that
[08:13] <shad1> Man, how is the occurance of a corruption that high?
[08:13] <shad1> risk of*
[08:14] <Sysi> pretty big file over internet
[08:14] <shad1> Well uTorrent didn't download anything new, jsut says I'm seeding now
[08:15] <shad1> All 744MB of the .iso
[08:19] <TheSheep> :/
[08:20] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the errors you got?
[08:23] <shad1> I dont even know if I did it right to be honest...I followed this guide: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows  And the .iso is on my desktop, CD'd over to nmy desktop, and did md5sum -c md5sum.txt (I grabbed that from within the .iso) and all the errors are "No such file or directory"
[08:24] <Sysi> md5sum.txt need to be on same folder, and you need to run that command there
[08:25] <Sysi> *.txt and .iso
[08:25] <shad1> the .txt and .iso were both in the same folder
[08:25] <shad1> does it matter if there are other files and folders in that folder alongside the .iso and .txt?
[08:27] <TheSheep> I think it tried to check the sums for other files in that md5sum.txt which you don't have
[08:27] <Sysi> it shouldn't
[08:28] <Sysi> you had correct path?
[08:28] <shad1> let me try again with the two in their own folder
[08:29] <shad1> Same thing. "md5sum -c md5sum.txt"
[08:33] <Myrtti> what if you do md5sum disk.iso?
[08:33] <shad1> without the -c ?
[08:33] <Myrtti> yes
[08:34] <Myrtti> and then compare the output to the contents of the md5sum.txt
[08:35] <shad1> yeah it gave me something real now
[08:35] <shad1> let me compare
[08:36] <Myrtti> though if you've done the download with torrent then it should by default check out
[08:36] <shad1> yeah, they are exactly the same anyway
[08:36] <Myrtti> (I personally never use -c filename.md5 anyway)
[08:37] <shad1> is -c just to compare every files' md5?
[08:37] <Myrtti> shad1: so whatever vm solution you're using, it's not capable of using an ISO as installation media?
[08:37] <Myrtti> shad1: it's useful if you've downloaded many files
[08:39] <Sysi> isn't processing md5sum from big file a bit slow operation?
[08:39] <shad1> oh, well i made a VM with ubuntu 10.04 just cause i have it on hand, and installed it, but for some reason the stupid thing doesnt like my keyboards. I could type before installing, but I can't log in because the keyboard just flat out stops working. Mousing over it turns the caps lock key off and stuff.
[08:39] <shad1> And yeah it took like 10 seconds to do the md5, but my currrent rig is fairly hefty
[08:46] <shad2> fd
[08:48] <shad2> well im reinstalling the VM stuff, hopefully it should work...but once it is up, what should I do?
[08:55] <shad2> anyone?
[08:59] <shad2> well thanks anyways guys
[10:51] <dario_> hi
[10:51] <dario_> !it
[10:59] <sagarchalise> !fr
[11:05] <sagarchalise> !en
[17:22] <knome> charlie-tca, what's with the joincycle @#shimmer ?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> heh
[17:24] <charlie-tca> trying to confure you... :-)
[17:24] <charlie-tca> no, actually, I couldn't remember the channel, so I was looking to find it. Adding to Natty artwork page for contacting ochosi
[17:25]  * charlie-tca could have looked at his channel list. It would have been easier
[17:26] <charlie-tca> I seem to have installed greybird in natty
[17:26] <knome> a-ha
[17:27] <charlie-tca> What happened to blue? or should I not be asking ;-)
[17:41] <nicofs> how can i change the appearance of only one of my panels? (background: transparent...)
[18:52] <likemindead> This channel's deader than MTV...
[18:52] <likemindead> ;-)
[18:53] <Sysi> xubuntu works too well
[18:53] <charlie-tca> +1
[18:54] <charlie-tca> That, and we don't know the answer
[18:54] <likemindead> Good answer, Sysi! :D
[18:55] <likemindead> I have a new hdd under the Xmas tree & I've been tempted to switch to UNE. But I love Xfce sooo much. I dunno...
[19:22] <mikubuntu> having trouble configuring wireless for intellinet driven receiver ... anybody have any links that might help us out?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[19:26] <mikubuntu> thx charlie i will check it out
[20:05] <vinny> hi. how can I get flash on opera for xubuntu on a PPC
[20:05] <vinny> ?
[20:05] <vinny> any help would be appreciated
[20:08] <likemindead> Have you installed the "xubuntu-restricted-extras" package, vinny?
[20:08] <likemindead> !flash
[20:09] <Sysi> i wonder if it's architechture dependant
[20:11] <vinny> by architecture dependent, do you mean the restricted extras
[20:11] <vinny> and no, I haven't downloaded the restricted extras
[20:12] <vinny> i just found it. I am going to do that now.
[20:18] <vinny> so i get the feeling restricted extras is not for PPC architecture
[20:18] <vinny> ...
[20:18] <Sysi> problem with restricted
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Might ask in #ubuntu-powerpc then, too
[20:18] <vinny> ah great
[20:19] <vinny> thanks for the heads up
[21:19] <John_Abbott> Hey
[21:19] <John_Abbott> Quicky here, How do I load a cd in Prompt mode on ubuntu?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> you mean, mount it?
[21:20] <John_Abbott> Yes
[21:20] <charlie-tca> create a directory for it, then use      mount /dev/cdrom /DIR_JUST_CREATED
[21:20] <charlie-tca> but it might be /dev/sr0 like mine is
[21:20] <John_Abbott> ...
[21:20] <charlie-tca> oh, put sudo in front of mount
[21:21] <John_Abbott> I have a actual disk.
[21:23] <Myrtti> !mount
[21:23]  * Myrtti facepalms
[21:23] <Myrtti> !iso
[21:24] <Myrtti> there we go
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Oh, sure, I could not have done that
[21:25] <Myrtti> but AFAIK even if it's totally headless system it should automount the cd
[21:25] <Myrtti> if it doesn't, IIRC iso9660 is the correct filesystem type
[21:27] <John_Abbott> GUYS.
[21:27] <John_Abbott> IT'S A DVD.
[21:27] <John_Abbott> ...< . >
[21:27] <charlie-tca> John_Abbott: it does not matter. Please don't shout at us
[21:27] <John_Abbott> I'm not trying to copy files to it, i'm trying to run files from it!
[21:28] <charlie-tca> and... does it not show up when you put it in the drive?
[21:28] <John_Abbott> It does, but I get a error.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> and the error is...
[21:28] <John_Abbott> Hold on.
[21:28] <John_Abbott> Lemme restart
[21:29] <Myrtti> mountpoint /cdrom does not exist, I suppose
[21:29] <John_Abbott> Ok, Can I just tell you? It's a windows 98 SE install disk.
[21:29] <John_Abbott> I'm trying different OS's on this computer.
[21:29] <charlie-tca> and it won't autostart in linux, right?
[21:29] <John_Abbott> Nope
[21:30] <Myrtti> it's not supposed to.
[21:30] <John_Abbott> When I click setup.exe
[21:30] <John_Abbott> ...what?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> because it is a windows cd.
[21:30] <John_Abbott> ...Drat
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Linux does not use an .exe file
[21:30] <John_Abbott> Is there any possible way to run it?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> start the computer with the cd in the drive?
[21:30] <John_Abbott> I do.
[21:31] <John_Abbott> Then it just boots Ubuntu
[21:31] <charlie-tca> change the bios to boot from cd
[21:31] <Myrtti> if you're willing to very probably erasing whatever you've got in the computer, reboot with the cd in the drive.
[21:31] <John_Abbott> Even when I select tboot the CD/
[21:31] <Myrtti> then there's always a possibility the CD is so scratched or damaged it won't boot.
[21:32] <John_Abbott> I just burned it -.-
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Help for windows in actually in ##windows
[21:33] <charlie-tca> As I recall, some of the win98 cd's require a floppy boot
[21:33] <John_Abbott> oh
[21:34] <charlie-tca> They needed DOS to boot the cd
[21:35] <John_Abbott> Drat
[21:35] <John_Abbott> It's a dvd. and I only have a cd and DVD drive
[21:35] <charlie-tca> and again, it doesn't matter to linux if it is a cd or dvd
[21:36] <charlie-tca> The only I can do is suggest you try ##windows for help with it.
[21:50] <Thermi> gn8
[23:26] <nicofs> how can i change the appearance of only one of my panels? (background: transparent...) Is there some conf file to do this?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I don't think it is possible to only change one
[23:28] <nicofs> charlie-tca: from what i see they are managed in some sort of xml files... i found the xml to one of my panels.. if i could find the other one...


[12:01] <mpool> hullo
[12:02] <mpool> are we here?
[12:02] <spiv> I am.
[12:04] <lifeless> dudes and dudettes
[12:05] <mpool> ah
[12:05] <ddaa> Hello, sorry for being late to the meeting, we're chatting with sabdfl now
[12:06] <lifeless> are we ?
[12:07] <ddaa> everybody please get acquainted with https://launchpad.canonical.com/BazaarMeetingAgenda while i'm answering a call of nature
[12:09] <spiv> ddaa: is my proposed item on the agenda?
[12:09] <spiv> ddaa: you probably want to subscribe to that page :)
[12:09] <ddaa> subscribed
[12:10] <ddaa> sabdfl interrupt
[12:13] <SteveA> spiv: hi
[12:13] <SteveA> I'm interested in how the smartserver work is going
[12:14] <lifeless> its coming along nicely
[12:14] <lifeless> all transport tests are passing, and a number of the bzrdir interface conformance tests.
[12:14] <lifeless> we're refactoring/extending some infrastructure at the moment to accomodate it better
[12:15] <spiv> I haven't actually been involved in the smartserver work recently, I've been doing other things.  I should organise another day with mpool.
[12:15] <SteveA> I don't know the plan for it, so while this is very interesting, it doesn't give me a picture of how things are going.   What's the one sentence goal, and how much is left towards that goal?
[12:16] <lifeless> uhhh
[12:16] <lifeless> what metric are you hoping for the answer to be in ?
[12:16] <mpool> the goal is to push & pull over smartserver over ssh, and have it be much faster than sftp
[12:17] <mpool> i would say we are in the middle third of the work
[12:17] <mpool> we plan to release it in august
[12:17] <mpool> lifeless: do you concur, doctor?
[12:17] <lifeless> I think that fits
[12:19] <SteveA> when you say "release", does that mean release as open source kind of release, or release to internal testing for launchpad / supermirror ?
[12:19] <SteveA> does it require a new bzr release?
[12:19] <lifeless> it will be a new bzr release
[12:19] <lifeless> its not a separate product
[12:21] <mpool> yes, at least in the main public bzr.dev tree, hopefully in an actual released tarball
[12:21] <mpool> SteveA: i've spoken to sabdfl about this and heard no suggestion we needed private testing - do you know something i don't?
[12:22] <lifeless> SteveA: integration with launchpad/supermirror is a second-stage feature. Its been designed with spivs input to allow that to take place, but its not being implemented in parallel at this point. Though that may be an idea.
[12:24] <SteveA> okay
[12:24] <SteveA> I just talked with mark, and this is all fine
[12:25] <spiv> Implementing in parallel would probably help uncover unexpected issues.
[12:25] <SteveA> I'd like to get the smartserver used on the supermirror for the "launchpad 1.0" october release
[12:25] <SteveA> so, we should do some planning of that sometime
[12:26] <mpool> spiv: yes, i'd like to keep you involved
[12:26] <lifeless> SteveA: did you have some different expectations ?
[12:26] <SteveA> I had unformed expectations
[12:26] <mpool> SteveA: seems like it would be nice if spiv can take responsibility for the lp side of that
[12:26] <mpool> as he is so far
[12:26] <SteveA> I had no idea how big/long/hard/uncut a task the supermirror would be
[12:26] <SteveA> s/supermirror/smartserver/
[12:27] <mpool> is there anything about say planning of it that he would need to know but doesn'tt?
[12:27] <SteveA> he being mark?
[12:27] <lifeless> http://samba.org/~jelmer/bzr/bzr-git-kernel.png
[12:27] <lifeless> ^^ awesome :)
[12:28] <lifeless> should we cancel this meeting ?
[12:28] <lifeless> I have another in 30 minutes
[12:28] <mpool> he in that sentence being spiv?
[12:28] <mpool> s/\?//
[12:28] <mpool> ok, let's keep moving on
[12:28] <mpool> i'll talk to stevea afterwards if that's ok
[12:28] <SteveA> ah, you're in a meeting
[12:28] <SteveA> I hadn't realize
[12:28] <SteveA> d
[12:29] <lifeless> ddaa is meant to be here
[12:29] <SteveA> anyway, thanks for the status update.
[12:29] <mpool> *acion* spiv, lifeless, mbp will meet this week
[12:29] <SteveA> mark is happy
[12:29] <SteveA> ddaa is sprinting with jamesh
[12:29] <lifeless> but I understand mark to be talking with him
[12:29] <SteveA> is there anything in particular you need from ddaa?
[12:29] <lifeless> hes the meeting chair :)
[12:29] <SteveA> lifeless: would you take on that role for this meeting?
[12:29] <ddaa> yeah, I'm coming
[12:29] <lifeless> sure
[12:29] <ddaa> okay I'm here
[12:29] <SteveA> thanks lifeless
[12:29] <lifeless> meeting agenda coming up in 10
[12:29] <lifeless> (seconds)
[12:30] <lifeless> Usual introduction *      roll call *      production status
[12:30] <lifeless> Current focus
[12:30] <lifeless> *      SFTP advertising *      vcs-import knits *      cscvs/bzr-native *      supermirror branch browser *      private branches *      cscvs/svn-symlinks *      dyson *      About 9% of hosted branches are empty directories -- are people finding SFTP service too hard to use? (spiv)
[12:30] <lifeless> Usual end
[12:30] <lifeless> *      other meeting actions *      critical bugs *      pending sysadmin tasks *      any other business
[12:30] <lifeless> meh
[12:30] <lifeless> silly toolchain
[12:31] <ddaa> -EUSER
[12:31] <spiv> lifeless: hey, it's more compact that way ;)
[12:31] <ddaa> So, lifeless, spiv, mpool are here.
[12:31] <lifeless> Usual introduction *      roll call *      production status
[12:31] <lifeless> Current focus
[12:31] <lifeless> *      SFTP advertising *      vcs-import knits *      cscvs/bzr-native *      supermirror branch browser *      private branches *      cscvs/svn-symlinks *      dyson *      About 9% of hosted branches are empty directories -- are people finding SFTP service too hard to use? (spiv)
[12:31] <lifeless> Usual end
[12:31] <lifeless> *      other meeting actions *      critical bugs *      pending sysadmin tasks *      any other business
[12:31] <lifeless> nope, GARH
[12:31] <ddaa> Jamesh, ddaa, SteveA are mostly here and being periodically NMUed by sabdfl
[12:31] <lifeless> Usual introduction
[12:31] <lifeless>     *      roll call
[12:31] <lifeless>     *      production status
[12:31] <lifeless> Current focus
[12:31] <lifeless>     *      SFTP advertising
[12:31] <lifeless>     *      vcs-import knits
[12:31] <lifeless>     *      cscvs/bzr-native
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      supermirror branch browser
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      private branches
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      cscvs/svn-symlinks
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      dyson
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      About 9% of hosted branches are empty directories -- are people finding SFTP service too hard to use? (spiv)
[12:32] <lifeless> Usual end
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      other meeting actions
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      critical bugs
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      pending sysadmin tasks
[12:32] <lifeless>     *      any other business
[12:32] <lifeless> thats better
[12:32] <lifeless> ddaa: SteveA has asked me to chair to allow you to be NMU'd
[12:32] <lifeless> production status : anyone have issues to report?
[12:32] <lifeless> 5
[12:32] <lifeless> 4
[12:32] <lifeless> 3
[12:32] <lifeless> 2
[12:32] <ddaa> problem with samba branches
[12:32] <lifeless> 1
[12:33] <ddaa> apparently jelmer's plugin is producing revisions that get through the branch puller
[12:33] <lifeless> with the scanner ? there is a bug report I believe.
[12:33] <ddaa> but cause the branch scanner to crash
[12:33] <lifeless> ok. who has the backtrace? can they enlarge on the bug report ?
[12:33] <lifeless> ddaa: is that you ?
[12:33] <lifeless> or jamesh or spiv ?
[12:33] <spiv> Anyone that gets the launchpad-errors-reports email.
[12:33] <ddaa> one of the responsibilities of the branch puller is to sanitize the data so that would not happen
[12:33] <lifeless> ok, spiv can you do that ?
[12:33] <spiv> I've replied to the bug already with the exception (though not the full traceback)
[12:34] <lifeless> ok, any other production errors ?
[12:34] <spiv> It died in get_revision, claiming invalid XML iirc.
[12:34] <lifeless> ddaa: this is a decision meeting not a design meeting
[12:34] <lifeless> ddaa: please discuss the detail in the bug report
[12:34] <ddaa> I'm not having a design discussion.
[12:34] <ddaa> no other issue
[12:34] <lifeless> well you're assuming the data is invalid, it may be skew between systems for instance.
[12:34] <spiv> (bug 53825, for the record)
[12:34] <ddaa> no other important issues that I'm aware of, at least
[12:35] <lifeless> spiv: can you do this examination please ?
[12:35] <spiv> lifeless: I've already followed up on the bug, do you want me to dissect it further?
[12:35] <lifeless> I will eyeball it and comment
[12:35] <lifeless> ok, sftp advertising
[12:35] <lifeless> this was in ddaa's queue IIRC
[12:35] <lifeless> ddaa: status  ?
[12:36] <ddaa> actions from last meeting:
[12:36] <ddaa>    * ddaa to tell jdub about existing blog entry
[12:36] <ddaa>    * jamesh to blog about team-shared branches and using them with checkouts
[12:36] <lifeless> actually, jamesh was to blog on it
[12:36] <lifeless> the agenda is not detailed enough.
[12:36] <jamesh> I haven't written the article yet
[12:36] <ddaa> I did the first one, did not observe any resulting effect
[12:36] <ddaa> jamesh: still planning to do it, or want to hand it over?
[12:37] <jamesh> Still planning to do it
[12:37] <lifeless> ok
[12:37] <lifeless> vcsimports knits
[12:37] <ddaa> action from last meeting
[12:37] <ddaa> * ddaa to file bug about converting existing vcs-import branches to knits.
[12:37] <ddaa> mh
[12:37] <ddaa> do not remember clearly
[12:38] <ddaa> looking
[12:38] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-bazaar/+spec/vcs-imports-knits-upgrade
[12:38] <lifeless> ok
[12:38] <lifeless> who is moving this forward - you ?
[12:39] <ddaa> I would like feedback on that spec
[12:39] <lifeless> ok, jamesh - could you review it while you are at the sprint?
[12:39] <jamesh> okay
[12:39] <lifeless> seems like a good use of the face time
[12:39] <lifeless> ok
[12:39] <lifeless> bzr-native
[12:39] <lifeless> ddaa: that seems to be coming along well.
[12:40] <ddaa> feedback has bee requested from lifeless, jamesh and steve
[12:40] <jamesh> we've been discussing the importd changes a bit this morning
[12:40] <lifeless> on bzr-native ?
[12:40] <ddaa> feedback on vcs-imports-knits-upgrade has been requested
[12:40] <ddaa> we discussed bzr-native this morning
[12:40] <ddaa> got to order food
[12:41] <lifeless> ok, in progress. cool
[12:41] <lifeless> branch browser
[12:41] <lifeless> spiv: ?
[12:42] <ddaa> action from last meeting:
[12:42] <ddaa> * spiv to have a pre-impl call with SteveA
[12:42] <spiv> No progress worth reporting.  It's my top priority for this week.
[12:42] <spiv> Oh, I had that call.
[12:42] <lifeless> ddaa: please dont blat the actions list, we've all read the page
[12:42] <ddaa> nice, make it rock
[12:42] <spiv> And the mail sent to the list by Steve outlines the plan.
[12:43] <lifeless> spiv: do you have an expected time of completion ?
[12:43] <lifeless> spiv: like 'august' ?
[12:43] <lifeless> spiv: ?
[12:43] <spiv> lifeless: That seems a reasonable estimate.  Ask me again next meeting for a firmer answer.
[12:43] <lifeless> ok. for the next meeting, have an answer :)
[12:44] <lifeless> private branches:
[12:44] <ddaa> ACTION: spiv to give delivery estimate for branch browser
[12:44] <lifeless> still in spec form. I have feedback to give. Steve has updated the spec.
[12:44] <lifeless> to be clearer - a terminology change
[12:44] <lifeless> svn-symlinks.
[12:44] <lifeless> ddaa: is that rolled out ?
[12:44] <ddaa> lifeless: jamesh has rolled out
[12:44] <ddaa> hu
[12:44] <ddaa> has committed
[12:44] <ddaa> I rolled out
[12:44] <ddaa> It rocks
[12:44] <lifeless> cool
[12:44] <lifeless> dyson:
[12:45] <lifeless> jamesh has got it working from behind the proxy
[12:45] <jamesh> stub reported a new bug
[12:45] <lifeless> stub has yet to trial it again on staging. expecting that soon
[12:45] <lifeless> ahha!
[12:45] <jamesh> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/53698
[12:45] <lifeless> I did not notice that
[12:45] <jamesh> it failed when scanning a GRASS cvs snapshot tarball
[12:45] <jamesh> because the version number component of the tarball did not match the DB constrainyt
[12:46] <lifeless> 6.1.cvs_src_snapshot_2006_07_15  being the string
[12:46] <ddaa> "dyson blows on grass"
[12:46] <jamesh> I guess valid_version() is looking for valid debian version numbers
[12:46] <jamesh> which wouldn't like the underscores
[12:46] <lifeless> jamesh: can you please talk this over with Mark ?
[12:46] <jamesh> okay
[12:46] <lifeless> jamesh: its in the product registry area which I know he cares about
[12:47] <lifeless> I think representing what upstream does in ProductSeriesRelease is important, my vote is to loosen the constraint for this table.
[12:47] <lifeless> hosted branches:
[12:47] <lifeless> About 9% of hosted branches are empty directories -- are people finding SFTP service too hard to use? (spiv)
[12:47] <lifeless> spiv: ?
[12:48] <lifeless> ddaa: can you prep a critical bugs list please.
[12:48] <ddaa> One of the problem with the sftp service is that once a branch has been created, if you did not create a proper branch the first time, for some reason, then you are screwed
[12:48] <lifeless> ddaa: as i dont have one ready
[12:48] <mpool> right
[12:48] <spiv> I got stub to add some stats about branches to cricket.
[12:48] <mpool> can i suggest we discuss this (empty branches, lp use, etc) on the lp list please?
[12:48] <lifeless> yes.
[12:49] <lifeless> I think 10% is uncomfortable, and discussion is needed.
[12:49] <spiv> Sure, I can move this to the list.
[12:49] <lifeless> any other meeting items ?
[12:49] <lifeless> 5
[12:49] <lifeless> 4
[12:49] <lifeless> 3
[12:49] <lifeless> 2
[12:49] <lifeless> 1
[12:49] <lifeless> ok
[12:49] <lifeless> critical bugs:
[12:49] <lifeless> ddaa: do you have a list handy ?
[12:49] <ddaa> doing
[12:49] <lifeless> we will come back
[12:50] <lifeless> pending sysadmin tasks?
[12:50] <ddaa> critical bugs:
[12:50] <ddaa> 31308: cannot set branch associated to productseries: lifeless to spec
[12:50] <ddaa> 37897: renaming breaks vcs-imports: david to do something about it
[12:50] <ddaa> basically, no progress on that
[12:50] <lifeless> ok, no change on those.
[12:50] <lifeless> pending sysadmin tasks.. anyone got stuff to nag about ?
[12:50] <ddaa> and 51130
[12:50] <lifeless> 5
[12:50] <lifeless> 4
[12:50] <lifeless> 3
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[12:50] <lifeless> ok
[12:51] <lifeless> any other business? or meeting over time
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[12:51] <lifeless> meeting over, thanks
[12:51] <lifeless> see some of you in 9 minutes for the review meeting
[12:51] <lifeless> mpool: can you do me a favour  ?
[12:52] <lifeless> mpool: collate the irc log into a minutes for the meeting?
[12:52] <lifeless> I need to prep my meeting
[12:52] <mpool> sure
[12:52] <lifeless> thanks
[12:52] <ddaa> s/from/for/
[01:41] <jelmer> sorry, hope I'm not too late
[01:43] <ddaa> sorry was meditating about bugs, branches and revisions
[01:43] <jelmer> (-:
[01:43] <ddaa> jelmer: sabdfl wants us to reconcile your work and importd
[01:44] <ddaa> he said, essentially "I sponsored jelmer work for the ability to commit to subversion, but I want it to work with our existing import system"
[01:45] <jelmer> ddaa: Reconcile how exactly?
[01:45] <ddaa> so that importd can do something useful with the metadata bzr commit puts into svn
[01:45] <jelmer> making existing imports compatible with bzr-svn or simply integrating bzr-svn into importd?
[01:45] <jelmer> Ah, right
[01:46] <jelmer> http://samba.org/~jelmer/bzr/mapping.txt contains a short write-up of the metadata used by bzr-svn
[01:46] <ddaa> so, id-wise, importd and your plugin have two different approaches: random and deterministic
[01:47] <ddaa> there are advantages to both
[01:47] <jelmer> yes, do those have to be reconciled as well?
[01:47] <ddaa> I do not think it is reasonably feasible
[01:48] <ddaa> I think what would make sabdfl happy would be the possibility to use your work to:
[01:48] <jelmer> I don't have a lot of time at the moment, have to go in 5 minutes - any chance we can arrange a meeting later this week?
[01:48] <ddaa> get a bzr branch produced by importd, makes some new changes there, commit to svn, and have importd get the information from there
[01:49] <ddaa> so I'm happy to have two branch universes, the one based on cscvs imports, and the one based on your import system
[01:49] <ddaa> but both should be able to roundtrip with svn
[01:49] <ddaa> jelmer: please think about it
[01:49] <ddaa> jelmer: when would a meeting suit you?
[01:50] <jelmer> ddaa: Sure, I will. There's a couple of issues we'll ahve to deal with
[01:50] <ddaa> let's arrange meeting first
[01:50] <ddaa> sabdfl focus is no importd data, your deterministic import stuff is nice, but it's not the essential stuff as far as he is concerned
[01:51] <ddaa> "is _on_ importd data"
[01:51] <jelmer> ddaa: Thursday and friday, preferably
[01:51] <ddaa> ASAP, we are in a sprint with SteveA, jamesh and sabdfl in voice range
[01:51] <jelmer> I'll be away on tuesday and wednesday
[01:51] <ddaa> Thursday, what time?
[01:51] <jelmer> oh, ok - please say hi to them :-)
[01:51] <ddaa> not between 1200 and 1300 UTC, that's all
[01:52] <jelmer> After 1300 UTC.. I'm arriving at the airport early morning, not sure when I'll be home exactly.
[01:52] <ddaa> (that's the time of the weekly launchpad mass^Wmeeting)
[01:52] <jelmer> (-:
[01:53] <ddaa> I'd like a firm hour so we can schedule effectively
[01:53] <ddaa> say, 15 UTC?
[01:53] <jelmer> ddaa: Feel free to pick one, it's all fine by me.
[01:53] <jelmer> Yeah, 15 UTC sounds fine.
[01:53] <ddaa> deal
[01:53] <jelmer> Great.
[01:53] <jelmer> I've got to run. See you on thursday!
[01:54] <ddaa> see you
[04:07] <SteveA> mpool: ping?


[01:15] <B0-> yey! IRC :)
[01:15] <B0-> hey everybody!
[01:26] <B0-> bye everybody!
[01:34] <ravi> you should have new wallpaper leave that old pink wallpaper
[01:35] <ravi> thats how people will recognize change in the release
[08:21] <kiwilinuxguy> hey
[12:01] <ankittulsyan> QUESTION: Can you tell us something on what we can expect for the 14.10 release?
[19:01] <ogra_> moo
[19:01] <t1mp> jono: I see you
[19:02] <ssweeny> jono, you're on
[19:02] <balloons> live
[19:02] <ChickenCutlass> jono: we can see you
[19:02] <rickspencer3> 0/
[19:02] <ogra_> so red today
[19:03] <jono> ogra_, I bleed Ubuntu
[19:03] <dobey> i didn't know we were partnering with sriracha
[19:04] <jono> dobey, it is a key strategic vertical
[19:04] <mhall119> dobey: Sriracha Phones, they're really hot
[19:05] <dobey> jono: don't know if you're aware, but buffalo wild wings has sriracha flavored hot wings right now, if there's one near your location.
[19:05] <jono> dobey, I love BW3
[19:06] <dobey> jono: then you will love bw3+sriracha :)
[19:06] <nuclearbob> I like the parmesan garlic sauce myself
[19:06] <jono> indeed
[19:07] <ogra_> lol
[19:07] <ogra_> "withing the next two weeks"
[19:07] <ogra_> -g
[19:07] <dobey> that's what i was told two weeks ago
[19:08] <jono> dobey, would you like some cheese with that whinge?
[19:08] <jono> :-)
[19:08] <ogra_> yeah, i dont think jason has any idea how long landing a single change costs today
[19:08] <dobey> jono: no. rum. :)
[19:08] <jono> :-)
[19:14] <rickspencer3> holy moly
[19:14] <rickspencer3> it's like a machine gun fire of information
[19:14] <rickspencer3> ogasawara ftw!
[19:14] <mhall119> rickspencer3: it's been a busy few days
[19:14] <mhall119> and that was core's "light" schedule
[19:15] <Dustsnutt> that´s waht she said
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, that's what I thought. I was only in one session - it seems like I've missed loads ;)
[19:25] <good_day> ao
[19:28] <leedev> HI BACON
[19:31] <jono> hi leedev
[19:31] <leedev> ;)
[19:32] <good_day> how do i forward the video
[19:32] <good_day> ?
[19:33] <ogra_> good_day, forward ?
[19:33] <good_day> i cant do it like the other videos i have seen
[19:33] <good_day> oi
[19:33] <ogra_> its a live stream
[19:33] <dobey> it's live. you can only go as far forward as currently exists
[19:33] <t1mp> good_day: you need a time machine for that. The video is live :)
[19:33] <good_day> eh!
[19:33] <ogra_> you would have to do time traveling to forward it
[19:33] <dobey> despite whta you may have been lead to believe, time travel is not possible
[19:34] <good_day> yesterday iw as able to do ut
[19:34] <good_day> im sorry
[19:34] <sergiusens> albeit they are like 10 seconds in the future
[19:34] <AdiRo> copy the link
[19:34] <AdiRo> and post it on your social page
[19:34] <dobey> sergiusens: just move a bit to the east :P
[19:42] <ogra_> yay
[23:59] <thagabe> we can hear you!