[03:25] <sethk> tolstoy, yes, although if I had to bet, at this point, I'd put the kernel in third place as far as being the likely cause
[03:26] <tolstoy> sethk: and breezy live CD doesn't work either, so I'm not inadvertantly introducing the bug.
[03:26] <whitynz> it says hard link not allowed for directory
[03:26] <tolstoy> sethk: firmware and/or driver, then kernel, eh?
[03:26] <derrick81787> can anyone help me install mame on breezy amd64?
[03:26] <sethk> tolstoy, I'd put my money on the driver first, then firmware, only then kernel.
[03:26] <sethk> tolstoy, I might have the driver/firmware backwards, but the kernel is in 3rd, I think
[03:27] <timfrost> whitynz, yes.  You need to use symlink (ln -s newname directory)
[03:27] <tolstoy> sethk: you don't think there's some config setting that didn't get enabled or something?
[03:27] <Determinist> k, i'm out, woman calling and bed's waiting
[03:27] <whitynz> timfrost, ok i'll try that
[03:27] <Determinist> nn folks
[03:28] <sethk> tolstoy, I don't know of a config setting that would cause these symptoms.  I could be wrong, of course.
[03:28] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I guess you still don't have it working?
[03:28] <tolstoy> sethk: for instance, note the request to comment out stuff in http://kerneltrap.org/node/5414
[03:28] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: hi!  Nope.  Hoary Live CD works, though.
[03:28] <timfrost> whitynz, got the order wrong (ln -s a b creates b pointing to a)
[03:28] <Rolan> when i use static ip, why is so slow to get the network working?
[03:28] <sethk> tolstoy, let me read that
[03:28] <whitynz> timfrost, yup I got it, cheers
[03:29] <majd_> would someone be willing to help me install my hp photosmart 3200 printer?
[03:29] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: Hmm. I've rebuilt, rconfigured, patched. Now I can build ipw2200 OK, but I cannot get a device.
[03:29] <sethk> tolstoy, I'd have to look at the code to see what they are talking about, but I agree that looks suspicious, especially as it appears to be ubuntu specific
[03:31] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I think the debian folks changed the kernel config just enough to break us.  not that I really know, but, you know, all rational explanations seem out the window.
[03:31] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I even tried debian testing: same deal.  compiled 1.0.3, I think and it loaded: same behavior.  Very frustrating.
[03:31] <|SiN|> Hi to all... how can i mount ext2 partition under windows xp?
[03:32] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy, yeah, I agree. Lot's of people are having similar problems with Ubuntu/Kubunt and wireless. You'ld think they'd fix it.
[03:33] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: might be that the probs seem suspiciously like misconfigured networking.  at least a few issues I saw on bugzilla suggest the devs think that.
[03:34] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: I've tried to email the dev list. for ipw2200. Moderator has blocked the email and I really don't want to jion a devel list.
[03:34] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: how far have you gotten?
[03:35] <tolstoy> I'm going to post to whatever ubuntu uses for bug tracking these days, see how it goes from there.
[03:35] <theconartist> what is the gnome burning app
[03:35] <tolstoy> theconartist: nautilus, or serpentine for music tracks
[03:36] <theconartist> there is a different one
[03:36] <tolstoy> baker?
[03:37] <tigerrr> any know where i can get the default httpd.conf for apache2... i deleted it on accident without making a backup.. i tried apt-get remove, apt-get install but it doesnt reinstall the config files
[03:38] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: how much of ipw2200 have you gotten to work?
[03:39] <Psi-Jack> Hey. How is the support for an ATI AiW Radeon 8500, for both DRI/DRM, and TV support in Linux these days?
[03:39] <Kyral> DRM...
[03:39] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: under FC4 and Hoary (Live CD): it works.  Nothing under Debian Testing or Debian Unstable or Ubuntu Breezy and Dapper
[03:39] <Kyral> EVIL!
[03:39] <Psi-Jack> Kyral: Heh. Which one is correct? DRI, for the Direct Rendering Interface?
[03:39] <Kyral> DRI
[03:40] <Kyral> DRM == Digital Rights Management
[03:40] <Psi-Jack> Gotcha.
[03:40] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. Do you know the answer to that one? :)
[03:40] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: I had Kubuntu-5.04 installed befor I upgraded to 5.10 and it worked there as well.
[03:40] <Kyral> Atis...are okay
[03:40] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I'm guessing it works fine under windows.
[03:40] <Kyral> NVIdia works better as usual
[03:40] <Rick_Knight> TYolstoy: it works perfectly.
[03:40] <Psi-Jack> Is the TV support there?
[03:40] <Rick_Knight> (under Windows XPpro)
[03:40] <Kyral> Psi-Jack: I dunno
[03:40] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I think FC4 and Hoary used the 2.2 firmware.
[03:41] <Kyral> I run an NVidia card
[03:41] <lowman62> what is the X11 libs called?
[03:41] <supa> x
[03:42] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[03:44] <Seq> is hoary able to run User Mode Linux already, or do I have to build a new kernel?
[03:44] <Locke> what is the command to format a different partition?
[03:44] <CanadianSnow> ok
[03:44] <CanadianSnow> so
[03:44] <Seq> by hoary with UML, i meant breezy
[03:44] <CanadianSnow> who knows how to do autodetection
[03:44] <Rick_Knight> Question about ipw. Does ipw2200 create the device (eth0 or wlan0 etc) or does something els do that?
[03:44] <CanadianSnow> !bot ?
[03:44] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[03:45] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I think I'll try ipw2200-1.0.3 and the 2.2 firmware and see how that goes.
[03:46] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: I did that and made no difference at all. Right now I have ieee80211-1.1.8 with the cast patch and ipw2200-1.0.10.
[03:46] <majd_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=112364&highlight=hp+photosmart+3210
[03:46] <Locke> what is the command to format a different partition?
[03:46] <majd_> that thread explains how to set my printer up, but i can't follow it
[03:46] <majd_> can anyone help?
[03:47] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: right.  just rip the hope from me. ;)  well, did you have to comment out that is_multicast_ether_addr thing?
[03:48] <Toma-> ubotu: wiki UbotuUsage
[03:48] <Toma-> cool..
[03:48] <Rick_Knight> Tolstoy: No 1.0.3 and 1.0.0 both built fine for me. Just didn't work.
[03:48] <Quake4Ialdaris> Hi anyone know why WHOAMI environ would be empty in breezy?
[03:49] <Toma-> Quake4Ialdaris: because its not needed?
[03:49] <Kyral> Quake4Ialdaris: there is no $WHOAMI...
[03:49] <bimberi> there is $USER tho
[03:49] <abort> how do you mate the browsing bar in nautilus smaller?
[03:49] <The> Hi can someone help me?
[03:50] <Locke> what is the command to format a different partition?
[03:50] <Gunfus> what is the problem..?!
[03:50] <Quake4Ialdaris> ok, USER works for me
[03:50] <Quake4Ialdaris> thanks
[03:50] <Gunfus> The, what is the problem,.!?
[03:50] <Toma-> the: you'll need to ask the question before asking that.
[03:50] <The> Im trying to install some applications in gdesklets
[03:50] <timfrost> Locke, it depends on what filesystem you want on it.  mke2fs /dev/hda8 will create an EXT2 filesystem on /dev/hda8
[03:50] <bimberi> Quake4Ialdaris: yw :)
[03:50] <The> but It gives me errors
[03:50] <Lil-Abner> Hi.
[03:50] <ITSa341> hello, question about ndiswrapper. Should I use win98/winme drivers or win2k/winxp drivers??
[03:50] <The> I do not know hot to fix it,,, Im knew into ubuntu
[03:51] <Lil-Abner> Can any one tell me if I can download and install Ubuntu over and existing Linux distro?
[03:51] <Gunfus> The, what error..? what application..?! can you do a pastebin..?
[03:51] <phrizer> Hey, i'm trying to get sun's java working on my system, i've downloaded 'j2eesdk-1_4_02_2005Q2-linux.bin' but am stuck there. I installed fakeroot, and java-package, java-common, and tried 'fakeroot make-jpkg j2eesdk-1_4_02_2005Q2-linux.bin' but i get a plugin not found error.
[03:52] <NigelS> phrizer: the .bin is designed to be run
[03:52] <NigelS> phrizer: if you have sun's java you prob won't be wanting gcj etc
[03:52] <Toma-> phrizer: you sure you want j2eesdk?
[03:52] <demonstar> im having trouble setting up NFS / Samba ...
[03:53] <phrizer> oh
[03:53] <The> /home/luis/.gdesklets/Displays/OSXCornerXMMS-0.1.2/osxcornerxmms-bottomright.display
[03:53] <The> >   1 xmms = get_control('IKXmms2:701uz5p7uot652wbszeprbeev-2')
[03:53] <NigelS> phrizer: personally I would go with sun until gcj is a bit better :) unless your list of java apps is limited
[03:53] <phrizer> Toma-,  ?
[03:53] <The> and also I would like to know how can I do that every time I log in gdesklets starts automatically
[03:54] <varsendagger> ahh i can't apt-get instal mplayer what the heck, how do i add the right repo?
[03:54] <Toma-> phrizer: ee is for development.... you sure you dont want re? its the one that lets you use java web applets and so on
[03:54] <bimberi> ubotu tell varsendagger about mplayer
[03:54] <timfrost> !mplayer
[03:54] <ubotu> somebody said mplayer was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[03:54] <Gunfus> The, to make gdesklet start automaticly you can add it to System-> Preferences -> Session
[03:55] <Gunfus> The, for the error with Gdesklet I am not sure.. I can';t help you with that..
[03:55] <Gunfus> The, sorry
[03:55] <Gunfus> The, good luck I got to go
[03:55] <The> thanx
[03:55] <The> can anyone else help me with gdesklets?
[03:57] <The> can anyone tell me where are all the bins file stored
[03:57] <cvogel> various directories, The.  /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin
[03:57] <Lil-Abner> To install ubuntu on a machine, do I have to download a cd and install that way, or can I download it unto an already existing distrubution of linux and install over it?
[03:58] <cvogel> The: at a terminal type echo $PATH
[03:58] <cvogel> that's where bash looks for all binaries
[03:58] <cvogel> each dir seperated by a :
[03:58] <Toma-> The: run "env | grep PATH"
[03:58] <cvogel> You can also add to that directory temporarily or by editing a file in your home directory
[03:58] <Toma-> or that
[03:59] <The> thats where all the executalbes of my files are right?
[03:59] <cvogel> the ones bash knows about... 99% of programs installed are in those dires
[03:59] <ssstormy> is anyone around familiar with the Xv and X11 devices?  My video players (all except Mplayer) can't play on X11 and ALL of them can't play on Xv, the reason seeming to be hardware issues with my video card
[04:00] <_jason> The, do "locate --regexp='/bin$'" if you want all the folders named bin :)
[04:00] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: well, 1.0.3 didn't work for me either, alas.  Same prob.
[04:00] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I think it's a changed kernel config.
[04:00] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: you know, because I'm an expert on these things.
[04:01] <The> can anyone else help me with the gdesklets error that i Have?
[04:01] <The> /home/luis/.gdesklets/Displays/OSXCornerXMMS-0.1.2/osxcornerxmms-bottomright.display
[04:01] <The> >   1 xmms = get_control('IKXmms2:701uz5p7uot652wbszeprbeev-2')
[04:01] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: do you get an interface?
[04:01] <The> its only happening with the desklets of xmms!
[04:01] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I do see (with iwconfig) Invalid misc: 10.
[04:01] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: yes.
[04:02] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: but then I've got network-manager working.
[04:02] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: What is network-manager?
[04:02] <cvogel> It's a gnome utility for managing network interfaces, I think
[04:03] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: it's a little daemon + applet (nm-applet) that finds your wireless and other networks and lets you switch between them.
[04:03] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: is it part of ubuntu?
[04:03] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: When I do ifconfig eth0 (the wireless device), I see errors:0 and dropped:10.
[04:03] <cvogel> eth0 is not your wireless device, probably
[04:04] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: probably in universe or multiverse.  package: network-manager
[04:04] <cvogel> My wireless PCI card is ath0.. for atheros chipset
[04:04] <tolstoy> cvogel: it is.  breezy installer set it up that way.
[04:04] <cvogel> eth0 is your ethernet card
[04:04] <tolstoy> cvogel: that's eth1, and it works fine.  i've no idea why the installer preferred the wireless.
[04:05] <TestDummy> Does anybody have any idea why each and every GTK1 application I load uses gigantic, ugly text?
[04:05] <tolstoy> er, set wireless to eth0.  i just chalked it up to this being a new machine.
[04:05] <cvogel> what about iwconfig
[04:05] <Rick_Knight> When I've had wireless working, eth0 was my wireless interface, et1 is my Ethernet interface.
[04:05] <TestDummy> Tried using switch to adjust, didn't help.
[04:05] <tolstoy> cvogel: yeah, iwconfig confirms eth0.  if only that were the prob, here.
[04:05] <cvogel> Rick_Knight.. yeah.. depends on the chipset
[04:06] <cvogel> well.. what are you trying to do? use iwconfig eth0 essid, key, etc.. then dhclient or whatever
[04:06] <The> >   1 xmms = get_control('IKXmms2:701uz5p7uot652wbszeprbeev-2')                      ?
[04:06] <Rick_Knight> cvogel: what brings up the interface, ipw2200 or something else?
[04:06] <trucekill> is anyoneone having trouble with the canadian universe and multiverse repositories for apt?
[04:07] <The> yeah trucekill
[04:07] <The> i changed it
[04:07] <tolstoy> cvogel: that all works.  it's that the driver, or something, anyway, is dropping packets.  can't even reach my router.  yet, under hoary, it works perfectly.
[04:07] <cvogel> tolstoy.. interesting.  Hoary had the wrong drivers for my chipset
[04:07] <joseph> does anyone know why cedega depends upon xlibs?
[04:07] <joseph> what would happen if I installed xlibs on breezy?
[04:07] <cvogel> I had to compile them from CVS on hoary.. works out-of-box on breezy
[04:08] <majd_> can i run counter strike on ubuntu?
[04:08] <tolstoy> cvogel: yeah, things should get better, not worse!
[04:08] <bob832> hi in the process of setting up an ftp server however, when i log in on another computer, its says connection timed out...how can i go about troubleshooting this problem?
[04:08] <Rick_Knight> cvogel: My problem now is that I no longer get the interface. wpa_supplicant errors out on "no device found" .
[04:09] <ITSa341> joseph: I ran cedega on ubuntu.
[04:09] <cvogel> I ran cedega as well
[04:09] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: can you get stuff working with no encryption?
[04:09] <cvogel> Rick_Knight.. have the latest kernel upgrade?
[04:09] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I don't know, haven't tried. I will now.
[04:10] <joseph> ITSa341: on hoary or breezy?
[04:10] <Rick_Knight> cvogel: Ihave kernel 2.6.12-10. What should I have?
[04:10] <ITSa341> 5.1*
[04:10] <ITSa341> 5.10
[04:10] <The> can anyone help me?
[04:11] <cvogel> that one is the latest, Rick_Knight
[04:11] <ardchoille> what's the command to bring up midnight commander in a term?
[04:12] <joseph> what does xlibs do to a breezy installation?  does it make any changes?
[04:12] <philc> I want a static IP on one wireless network, and dhcp on another. I'm currently using network manager. Is this possible?
[04:12] <TestDummy> No idea on why these GTK1 fonts are so large and ugly??
[04:12] <tolstoy> TestDummy: is there something you can set in .gtkrc?  I've blocked all memory of that stuff out.
[04:13] <tolstoy> TestDummy: maybe you can at least google for that file and what to put in it.
[04:13] <TestDummy> ...
[04:13] <TestDummy> I wouldn't be on IRC asking questions if I wanted to use Google!
[04:13] <philc> wow
[04:14] <tolstoy> TestDummy: yeah, i know, i know, but sometimes I, at least, don't know what to google for, so come here for a hint.
[04:14] <abarbaccia> hey guys - whats the command to see the size of a partition?
[04:14] <cvogel> fdisk -s PARTITION
[04:15] <tolstoy> So do we use launchpad.com/distros/ubuntu to search for and file issues these days?
[04:15] <abarbaccia> im talking about the two letter command
[04:15] <ITSa341> I have found that google either points me to ubuntu kiwi , forums or bad info most of the time. So I always come here for help. Get it right that way.
[04:15] <ITSa341> :-)
[04:15] <abarbaccia> im talking about the two letter command
[04:15] <abort> how do you make the nautilus browser bar smaller
[04:15] <bimberi> abarbaccia: df
[04:15] <The> can anyone help me with gdesklets?
[04:15] <timfrost> abarcaccia, df
[04:15] <TestDummy> Don't see much in the .gtkrc files except for what switch wrote to them.
[04:15] <abort> The: sure
[04:15] <abort> The: how so
[04:15] <bimberi> abarbaccia: df -h    is worth the extra 3 keystrokes :)
[04:15] <Madpilot> ITSa341: we usually point people to the Ubuntu wiki as well :P
[04:16] <The> every time i try to use an xmms gdesklet it does not allow me..
[04:16] <The> It gives me different errors
[04:16] <The> such as /home/luis/.gdesklets/Displays/OSXCornerXMMS-0.1.2/osxcornerxmms-bottomright.display
[04:16] <The> >   1 xmms = get_control('IKXmms2:701uz5p7uot652wbszeprbeev-2')
[04:16] <ITSa341> yup, kiwi, or here are the places I trust for good info
[04:16] <abort> The: how are you running the deskle
[04:16] <Madpilot> ITSa341: um, it's "wiki" not "kiwi"... :D
[04:16] <The> i installed
[04:17] <The> and it went to applications accessories gdesklets
[04:17] <abarbaccia> anybody here can help me with lvm?
[04:17] <cvogel> The, from apt?
[04:17] <The> yeap..
[04:17] <ITSa341> Madpilot I know, it's just habit :-)    you familiar with ndiswrapper?
[04:17] <s_spiff> hey.. needed help with azuerus
[04:18] <timfrost> tolstoy, yes.  The migration to malone is set to be comopleted by 18:0 UTC, 13 Jan
[04:18] <Madpilot> ITSa341: nope, I run lots of Cat5 instead of wireless, sorry
[04:18] <ITSa341> Mad, cat5 is limited in distance. I am 2 miles from the ap   :-)   can we say cantenna   hehe
[04:18] <The> I used apt get install gdesklets
[04:18] <majd_> what's APT for ubuntu?
[04:19] <molinero> ???-?????? ??????? ????????
[04:19] <majd_> i know it's for managing packets, but i can't get to it
[04:19] <s_spiff> i usually get a download speed on ABC wghile downloading torrents.. a speed of about 16kbps...but in ABC [ another bit torrent Client ]  i can set download speed to unlimited and upload to anything i choose like 3 / 4 kbps
[04:19] <pejcao> any1 knows how to open a kodadk DCR file in lunux?
[04:19] <abort> The: you are running the desktlet from the notification area iconZ
[04:19] <tolstoy> timfrost: ummmm, huh?  talking the launchpad thing?  ubuntu.com keeps talking about bugzilla.
[04:19] <s_spiff>  in azuerus i hav to set the download spped to 6kbps to get download speed of 19
[04:19] <The> what you mean from the notification area iconz?
[04:20] <s_spiff>  which uses up my bandwidth .. giving me  a download speed of only 7...and upload of 7..
[04:20] <Madpilot> majd_: Synaptic is the GUI version; apt-get is the CLI one
[04:20] <abort> The: the notification area is where the gaim icon and such goes, the system tray
[04:20] <shadeofgrey> hey everybody
[04:20] <timfrost> tolstoy, yes. bugzilla will go read-only sometime in the next 24 hours.
[04:20] <s_spiff>  can someone give me a work around for this?
[04:20] <tolstoy> timfrost: ok.
[04:20] <The> yeah
[04:20] <gdub> hey all
[04:20] <TestDummy> =| Silly it..
[04:20] <shadeofgrey> does anybody know if openoffice.org runs on powerpc - specifically Tiger?
[04:20] <rjs> how do i change from su mode back to a normal user in a terminal?
[04:20] <abort> exit
[04:21] <The> well first i went to applications -> accessories and then finally clicked on gdesklets
[04:21] <shadeofgrey> if so, does anybody further know whether compatability is plannedfor the intel versions of mac hardware recently announced and released?
[04:21] <abort> ok, im talking about the cornerxmms desklet
[04:21] <rjs> shadeofgrey: there is a project to port it, but if memory serves its proving to be hard
[04:21] <The> yeah yeah
[04:21] <The> I clicked and dragged to the application and try to run it
[04:21] <wckdkl0wn> how hard is it to go from ubuntu to kbuntu? if u have ubuntu installed?
[04:22] <trucekill> ummm I think you can just apt get kde but im not sure
[04:22] <rjs> abort: thanks
[04:22] <arrinmurr> wckdkl0wn: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:22] <shadeofgrey> so... whats the verdict -- wait to buy my new macbookpro until somebody comes up with a version of it that works?
[04:22] <Malachi> What programs replace Evolution?
[04:22] <Malachi> I know Thunderbird, of course...
[04:22] <s_spiff> can anyone tell me how to get screenshots in .jpg format?
[04:22] <Malachi> But what about Evo's other features?
[04:22] <rjs> kmail
[04:22] <wckdkl0wn> i had ubuntu installed before and got rid of it because i couldnt figure out how to get kde on it.. and now they have kbuntu out so i wanna try it again
[04:22] <luisito> man! the Ubuntu comunity its getting bigger and bigger. Everytime I come here there is more and more people.
[04:22] <shadeofgrey> because id rather use some no name text editor than sell out and buy microshaft word (waste)
[04:22] <czr> Malachi, which features do you need?
[04:22] <rjs> but you can keep evolution if you want
[04:23] <Malachi> Mail, Contacts, Calendar...
[04:23] <Madpilot> luisito: 596 is pretty standard for this channel...
[04:23] <majd_> Madpilot, how do you get to it? i can't find it
[04:23] <timfrost> wckdkl0wn, 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' to install all the KDE packages.  Then choose KDE rather than gnome when youi next log in
[04:23] <Malachi> Tasks...
[04:23] <The> so abort do you have any sugestions?
[04:23] <czr> malachi, evolution is probably the 'best' outlook-clone, for people who like outlooks
[04:23] <Madpilot> majd_: System menu --> Admin --> Synaptic Package Mngr
[04:23] <Malachi> czr: Okay. That answers my question.
[04:23] <wckdkl0wn> i am gonna go install it then i will be back lol
[04:23] <abort> The: run gdesklets from the terminal, using "gdekslets open /path/to/.display file"
[04:23] <Madpilot> majd_: and when it asks for a password, use your own user pw
[04:23] <majd_> yeah sorry wasn't paying attention
[04:24] <abort> The: is xmms running when yo ulaunch it?
[04:24] <The> no abort
[04:24] <The> should i run it?
[04:24] <s_spiff> can some1 tell me how to save the desktop sceenshot as a .jpg?
[04:24] <abort> The: start it first, see what happens, ill brb
[04:24] <The> sure thanx
[04:24] <abort> s_spiff, rename it to .jpg
[04:25] <s_spiff> ok
[04:25] <abort> s_spiff, which doesnt work nevermind
[04:25] <abort> s_spiff, use gimp to take the shot
[04:25] <gdub> check check
[04:25] <s_spiff> thanks..
[04:25] <The> same error
[04:25] <The> :(
[04:25] <s_spiff>  no.. the rename worked fine
[04:25] <The> abort same error
[04:26] <czr> s_spiff, it works
[04:26] <s_spiff> but the size is huge!
[04:26] <czr> s_spiff, when you've taken the screenshot and are giving the filename, use filename.jpg instead of filename.png
[04:26] <s_spiff> 1.21mb!
[04:26] <s_spiff> i did that
[04:26] <s_spiff>  worked
[04:27] <czr> the size is probably huge because you have lot of graphics on your desktop?
[04:28] <czr> you can open the picture (png recommended) in gimp, then save it as jpg with compression options
[04:28] <czr> so you can reduce quality
[04:28] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: Okay, this is weird, but do you think that because the installer assigned eth0 to the wireless that that is the problem, somehow?
[04:28] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I don't see how it could be, but people here seem shocked that eth0 is wireless, eth1 is not.
[04:29] <czr> does ubuntu bind the network interface names to the MACs of the interfaces when it detects new ones?
[04:29] <czr> assuming eth0 = wlan, eth1 = fixed, then you boot with wlan-disabled (hw-key)
[04:29] <czr> that would lead into oodles of problems wrt iptables
[04:30] <demonstar> hey I need help getting xmame
[04:30] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I don't know. How can I change the installer what the installer does?
[04:31] <needhelp> how can I change the icons ?
[04:31] <timfrost> czr, /etc/iftab maps MAC address to HWname.  Check the entries there
[04:31] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: /etc/network?
[04:31] <czr> timfrost, the question was whether ubuntu does it automatically for new interfaces
[04:31] <s_spiff> needhelp, either download the Gnome Art
[04:31] <s_spiff>  and then u have an option of installing new icon sets
[04:31] <needhelp> lets say I download some iconst
[04:31] <needhelp> how can I install them
[04:31] <s_spiff>  or download some icons..
[04:32] <_jason> needhelp, drag them into the window where you change themes
[04:32] <s_spiff>  and then go to System>Pref>Themes>Install>direect it to the icon file
[04:32] <timfrost> czr, I believe not.  But you can add entries to /etc/iftab
[04:32] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I've allways had eth1 as the ethernet on this notebook.tolstoy: /etc/network had all eth0 stuff remarked out.
[04:32] <s_spiff>  and u'll get them..
[04:32] <needhelp> ok
[04:32] <s_spiff>  then go into theme details..
[04:32] <s_spiff>  and chose icons..
[04:32] <needhelp> where is this window?
[04:32] <needhelp> ok thanx
[04:32] <s_spiff> System>Pref>Themes
[04:32] <_jason> needhelp, system prefs themes
[04:32] <needhelp> s)_piff
[04:32] <s_spiff> yeah?
[04:33] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: did you install network-manager?  Ah, that's write, it's a gnome app.
[04:33] <czr> timfrost, I'd use nameif/ifname in bootscripts, I'm not thinking about the manual solution. RH binds the names based on MACs so that end-users don't get too confused (imho not very bad idea)
[04:33] <s_spiff> ! themes
[04:33] <McJerry> could i run gparted under kde?
[04:34] <Kyral> McJerry: yes
[04:34] <s_spiff> i think u can McJerry ,
[04:34] <czr> McJerry, yes if you have the necessary gnome-libs installed
[04:34] <czr> McJerry, installing gparted should pull them automatically
[04:34] <s_spiff> if you have both GNOME and KDE installed, you can run one app. in the other env.
[04:34] <s_spiff> ! metathemes
[04:34] <ubotu> s_spiff: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[04:34] <Madpilot> McJerry: yes, you should be able to - I run a couple of KDE apps in Gnome with no problems
[04:34] <czr> you don't have to install whole of GNOME desktop in order to run gnome programs
[04:34] <McJerry> k, thanks, i got ubuntu, buddy on west cost has kubuntu, i couldn't answer his question, tx guys
[04:35] <s_spiff> some one tell me what is a meta theme
[04:35] <_jason> McJerry, you can run it, when you install it it should pull in all the necessary gnome libraries
[04:35] <McJerry> Madpilot, i run kde apps in gnome, just didn't know if i could go other way
[04:35] <McJerry> thanks all
[04:35] <s_spiff> right,u don't have to... but i said that cuz I have both installed.
[04:36] <needhelp> s_piff I downloaded some icons I do not how to install
[04:36] <shad0w1e> I'm running Ubuntu inside of a VM, and the screen goes nuts when it enters X. I've been told this is a xorg problem, and it will work by switching over to XFree. does anyone know about this issue, or what I should do? Thanks
[04:37] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I just noticed, my hotplug directory is empty except for the ipw-2.3 stuff. It used to have a bunch of other stuff in it. I assume it's a casualty of some experimenting with this ipw problem. How can I get the firmware stuff back?
[04:37] <czr> shad0w1e, which VM?
[04:37] <shad0w1e> I'm running Kubuntu 5.10 on top of Microsoft VM 2004
[04:37] <czr> vmware works quite nicely with ubuntu
[04:37] <majd_> can i just download source for debian and use it on ubuntu
[04:37] <czr> microsoft virtual server doesn't support linux
[04:37] <shad0w1e> I mean Virtual PC
[04:37] <shad0w1e> 2004
[04:37] <czr> same crap :-)
[04:37] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I think it's all in the kernel.  So re-install that?
[04:37] <shad0w1e> I remember having this problem on Solaris 10....
[04:37] <shad0w1e> I was told it's xorg, but I dont know how to fix it
[04:38] <czr> shad0w1e, you shoulr really try vmware instead, it plays nice with linux and whatever
[04:38] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: OK. Tomorrow.
[04:38] <czr> vpc is only good at running windows
[04:38] <shad0w1e> czr, I'll keep that in mind, thanks.. but for the time being, know of any easy way to change over to XFree ?
[04:38] <shad0w1e> czr, heh
[04:38] <tolstoy> dpkg -S /lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw2100-1.3.fw-2.6.12-10-686
[04:38] <tolstoy> linux-image-2.6.12-10-686: /lib/hotplug/firmware/ipw2100-1.3.fw-2.6.12-10-686
[04:38] <czr> shad0w1e, probably not unless you might breaking package dependency rules
[04:38] <czr> shad0w1e, it wasn't a joke even
[04:39] <czr> shad0w1e, you could try to build your own xfree86
[04:39] <cantspeakslowl1> I'm trying to set up grub on a dual boot install. fdisk -l shows ubuntu on /dev/hde1 and ntfs on /dev/hdf1. I'm following the instrctions at http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu with root  (hd1,0) but it isn't working...
[04:39] <czr> shad0w1e, and then overwrite the existing X server, cross fingers and hope that it works (it probably wont)
[04:39] <shad0w1e> czr... yuck... Can I bring over my existing Linux install into VMWARE?
[04:39] <needhelp> can anyone tell me how to install the icons I donwloaded?
[04:39] <shad0w1e> its a hard drive Image...
[04:39] <czr> shad0w1e, existing linux install under vpc?
[04:39] <shad0w1e> yes
[04:39] <czr> shad0w1e, no. VM images are incompatible between vms I think
[04:39] <_jason> needhelp, we told you already
[04:40] <needhelp> yeah I following
[04:40] <shad0w1e> yuck. okay thanks a lot..
[04:40] <czr> shad0w1e, although I'm not sure whether newer vmwares can read MS VPC-images, you might want to check their web space
[04:40] <needhelp> But I do not know hot to it
[04:40] <poimen> someone kwos how to enable multiverse in dapper?
[04:40] <needhelp> I donwload a tar.gz file
[04:40] <czr> shad0w1e, check out the vmware workstation 5.5 pages
[04:40] <shad0w1e> thank you. I'll look around some more...
[04:40] <needhelp> and there are different folder...SOrry but its my first day on linux
[04:40] <_jason> needhelp, open system->prefs-> themes.
[04:40] <shad0w1e> First I'm gonna try to get running over here...
[04:40] <shad0w1e> if its not too impossible
[04:40] <czr> never had any serious problems with vmware/linux/anything
[04:40] <shad0w1e> heh
[04:40] <_jason> needhelp, then click on your file and drag it into the window
[04:40] <czr> but vpc is pos really
[04:41] <needhelp> whats the extension of the file
[04:41] <shad0w1e> czr heh
[04:41] <shad0w1e> pos
[04:41] <czr> piece of crapola :-)
[04:41] <_jason> needhelp, just drag the tar.gz into that window
[04:41] <czr> unless you're running new windowses in it
[04:41] <majd_> how do i acess the terminal?
[04:41] <needhelp> ohhh ok
[04:41] <shad0w1e> crapola doesnt begin with a s
[04:41] <needhelp> hold on I will do it
[04:41] <shad0w1e> heh im just messin'
[04:41] <_jason> majd_, applications -> accessories
[04:41] <majd_> thanks
[04:41] <tolstoy> Oh, yikes!  I added a bug to launchpad, and somehow it's in "firefox (ubuntu)"!  Hm. How to change that.
[04:41] <majd_> i was looking in system
[04:42] <_jason> majd_, yeah it used to be there, they changed it in breezy
[04:42] <czr> shad0w1e, crapola was a nicer version of the word that I had in mind :-)
[04:42] <majd_> i'm having trouble installing gtkpod
[04:42] <Locke> i know this is probably extremely off topic, but does anyone know anything about damn small linux?
[04:42] <majd_> it sayts to put ./configure --help
[04:42] <czr> shad0w1e, don't want to offend all the people working for microsoft on this channel ;-)
[04:42] <majd_> but that gives me an error
[04:42] <majd_> do i need to login as root?
[04:43] <_jason> majd_, I wouldn't recommend it
[04:43] <shad0w1e> ohh look at that. it seems that if I change over to 16 bit color, it fixes my problem...
[04:43] <needhelp> It worked THANX YOUUU
[04:43] <_jason> majd_, what's the error (use pastebin if it is large)
[04:43] <needhelp> :)
[04:43] <ssstormy> what's te error?
[04:43] <czr> Locke, probably google and DSL pages is the best reference
[04:43] <_jason> needhelp, np
[04:43] <majd_> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[04:43] <czr> Locke, unless you had a specific question in mind
[04:43] <czr> Locke, also LJ had an article about it some issues ago
[04:43] <ssstormy> majd_, well that's pretty straight forward
[04:43] <_jason> majd_, then you are probably in the wrong directory
[04:43] <ssstormy> it's not in the dir oyu'r in
[04:43] <Locke> czr: i just want to install it for a nothing but command line, but i can't figure out how to get it from launching the GUI
[04:44] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: Disabling wpa made no difference. I need to get an interface first.
[04:44] <cantspeakslowl1> any takers on troubleshoooting my GRUB woes?
[04:44] <ssstormy> majd_, tar zxvf your source package
[04:44] <Locke> czr: more than likely it's the same for other distros... any idea's?
[04:44] <czr> Locke, heh. then this is the wrong channel. try asking on the DSL mailing lists?
[04:44] <_jason> cantspeakslowl1, just ask, and if someone knows they will try
[04:44] <ssstormy> cd your_source_package_folder
[04:44] <ajmitch> Locke: it's not the same
[04:44] <ssstormy> ./configure --help
[04:44] <needhelp> whats the apt get command to uninstall?
[04:44] <czr> Locke, start linux with boot param 2
[04:44] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: try install network-manager?
[04:44] <czr> Locke, or 3, depending on distro
[04:44] <_jason> needhelp, apt-get remove
[04:44] <ssstormy> needhelp, apt-get remove
[04:44] <needhelp> thanx
[04:44] <cantspeakslowl1> I'm trying to set up grub on a dual boot install. fdisk -l shows ubuntu on /dev/hde1 and ntfs on /dev/hdf1. I'm following the instrctions at http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu with root  (hd1,0) but it isn't working...
[04:44] <majd_> ssstormy, that did something....i don't know what though
[04:44] <Locke> czr: lol, first how do i do that, and second i don't think anybody even works on DSL anymore
[04:45] <majd_> it just showed me a bunch of files in the tar.gz
[04:45] <Malachi> Locke: I'm sure they do...
[04:45] <_jason> !ubuntuguide
[04:45] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is out of date, reported to break a lot an generally a bad source for information. Use help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[04:45] <Locke> Malachi: lol, the last version i saw in the distro library had been updated in 2003
[04:45] <czr> Locke, modify the kernel boot param line. I don't know how dsl does that so can't really help you there. might check /boot/grub/menu.lst and read how to config grub. or with lilo /etc/lilo.conf & lilo. with syslinux it's different, etc
[04:45] <majd_> how would i launch it? (it doesn't say in INSTALL file)
[04:45] <Malachi> Locke: =) Do people still use Windows ME?
[04:46] <ssstormy> majd_, here's how to build it
[04:46] <Locke> Malachi: no
[04:46] <Malachi> Locke: Sadly, yes.
[04:46] <ssstormy> ./configure
[04:46] <ssstormy> make
[04:46] <ssstormy> make install
[04:46] <Locke> Malachi: not in my world...
[04:46] <czr> Malachi, a lot of organisations are still using NT4
[04:46] <BxL> Locke, I use windows 2000
[04:46] <_jason> majd_, don't use make install, use checkinstall instead
[04:46] <Malachi> Locke: Invite me there, pleae.
[04:46] <Locke> Malachi: i never used ME... i used 98, XP and then Linux
[04:46] <_jason> ubotu, tell majd_ about checkinstall
[04:46] <aliesya82> hi kent
[04:46] <_jason> ssstormy, checkinstall is better than make install
[04:46] <Malachi> Locke: ME users should kill themselves. Ease the burdon on society
[04:46] <Kyral> Checkinstall EVIL
[04:46] <ssstormy> _jason, you're right, I forgot
[04:47] <Locke> Malachi: and never went back, ME wasn't even a real version in itself, it was just Windows 98 Third Edition
[04:47] <Malachi> Locke: But anyway, I didn't really like DSL.
[04:47] <_jason> Kyral, LIES
[04:47] <Locke> Malachi: i have a 133 MHz CPU computer i want to use as a file server and that is it
[04:47] <Malachi> Locke: (1) Because of the name, (2) Too small for me.
[04:47] <Kyral> _jason: TRUE!
[04:47] <bjron> quick question, how do I tell what options were used when I package was compiled?
[04:47] <ITSa341> <has dsl at the office, only choice is dsl or dial-up
[04:48] <[method] > has anyone here run into an issue where ubuntu is unable to connect to websites that start with a hyphen?
[04:48] <majd_> _jason, i replace sudo with the name of the .tar.gz file right?
[04:48] <needhelp> can anyone help me with gdesklets??
[04:48] <Locke> Malachi: trust me, i would MUCH rather Ubuntu, and once i get a better computer i'll turn this current PC i'm using into a server and keep Ubuntu Server on it, but until then, my little 133 is going to have to do
[04:48] <ssstormy> btw, I try to execute autogen.sh in the cvs gtkpod and libgpod packages (need CVS) and it tells me Checking for required M4 macros...
[04:48] <ssstormy>   libtool.m4 not found
[04:48] <ssstormy>   glib-gettext.m4 not found
[04:48] <ssstormy>   intltool.m4 not found
[04:48] <ssstormy>   pkg.m4 not found
[04:48] <_jason> majd_, that doesn't sound right, what command are you referring to exactly
[04:48] <ssstormy> Checking for forbidden M4 macros...
[04:48] <ssstormy> ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build libgpod
[04:48] <tolstoy> can anyone help me with launchpad?  think i misfiled a bug
[04:48] <ssstormy>   were not found in your aclocal path, or some forbidden
[04:48] <majd_> sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[04:48] <ssstormy>   macros were found.  Perhaps you need to adjust your
[04:48] <ssstormy>   ACLOCAL_FLAGS?
[04:48] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I've installed network-manager, but there is no menu entry. What command starts it
[04:48] <_jason> ubotu, tell ssstormy about pastebin
[04:48] <ssstormy> I have installed those packages, so why can autogen not find them?
[04:48] <Malachi> Will DSL or any other linux distro run on a 4gig HD, 32meg PC?
[04:48] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: nm-applet
[04:49] <_jason> majd_, btw, is there a reason you aren't using the packaged gtkpod?
[04:49] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I'm assuming that gnome and kde share the notification thing, right?  hopefully?
[04:49] <Malachi> Oops, Locke, that was addressed to you...
[04:49] <_jason> majd_, yes that will install 'checkinstall' for you
[04:50] <Locke> Malachi: the answer to this question sadly is no, not on THIS one, i've tried every method imaginable and yet i still can't get it Ubuntu Server to install
[04:50] <majd_> jason: where is the packaged gtkpod?
[04:50] <_jason> !info gtkpod
[04:50] <ubotu> gtkpod: (manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod), section universe/sound, is extra. Version: 0.94.0-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 486 kB, Installed size: 1992 kB
[04:50] <majd_> they only had the .tar.gz version on their sourceforge site
[04:50] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I have the gnome libs installed, so a lot of gnome apps work.
[04:50] <_jason> ubotu, tell majd_ about repos
[04:50] <Malachi> Locke: It's a shame....if you ever get it to work, please let me know....
[04:50] <Malachi> Locke: I have a lot of old PCs just lying around...
[04:51] <needhelp> can anyone help me with gdesklets??
[04:51] <Locke> Malachi: i have 486s lying around here, the PC i'm using now is 450 AMD
[04:51] <Malachi> Hrm...
[04:51] <Locke> needhelp: ask your question
[04:51] <shad0w1e> czr, changing to 16-bit color worked!!!
[04:51] <_jason> majd_, forget about compiling things in ubuntu.  It's very rare you will have to.
[04:51] <majd_> _jason, thank god!
[04:51] <Malachi> needhelp: Maybe....
[04:51] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: but if you don't have something for the applet to dock with....
[04:51] <Locke> Malachi: "supposedly" i'm supposed to get a 600 MHz pc tomorrow from someone
[04:51] <cantspeakslowl1> help.ubuntu.com refers to System->Administration->Boot which is NOT on my menu (http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2521330) -- any ideas where I can find the boot control panel, or the comman to bring it up ?
[04:51] <cdubya> hey Locke, you install dsl?
[04:51] <Malachi> Locke: Good luck.
[04:52] <Locke> cdubya: trying to now... i just asked a question a few minutes ago, hehe
[04:52] <czr> shad0w1e, good :-)
[04:52] <needhelp> every time I try to add a deskelet for xmms it gives me an error, I do not know how to fix this..In one of the error I get /home/luis/.gdesklets/Displays/OSXCornerXMMS-0.1.2/osxcornerxmms-bottomright.display
[04:52] <needhelp> >   1 xmms = get_control('IKXmms2:701uz5p7uot652wbszeprbeev-2')
[04:52] <cdubya> heh
[04:52] <_jason> majd_, just enable universe like that link ubotu sent you explains and you should be able to use synaptic or apt-get, whichever you prefer, to install gtkpod.  Let me know if you have any problems.
[04:52] <czr> shad0w1e, what is your native desktop color depth (in windows)?
[04:52] <cdubya> Locke, havin fun?
[04:52] <majd_> _jason, thanks sooo much i really apreciate it
[04:52] <Locke> cdubya: oh yeah...
[04:52] <cdubya> heh, yeah. :)
[04:53] <cdubya> Locke, did they ever switch to using apache?
[04:53] <Malachi> needhelp: What desklet are you using?
[04:53] <ssstormy> btw, I try to execute autogen.sh in the cvs gtkpod and libgpod packages (need CVS) and it tells me the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6983
[04:53] <abarbaccia> hey is there any way to script partitioning of disks?
[04:53] <czr> hmm. I wonder whether there is a program that reads in an audio c-tape, then automatically corrects any pitch skew that affected the recording ;-)
[04:53] <abarbaccia> i want to delete the partition on the disk and make a new one
[04:53] <McJerry> if i only have a root part and a swap part and am booted into root part how can i use gparted to resize the root part?
[04:53] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: network-manager does not work on KDE. I get a lot of disk activity, but nothing else.
[04:53] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.10/+bug/6699
[04:53] <Locke> cdubya: no idea, it takes 16 minutes to get from startup to GUI, so i haven't fiddled with it much yet as you could imagine
[04:54] <needhelp> Im using 0.35.2
[04:54] <cdubya> Locke, no, they're still using Monkey web server.....
[04:54] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: I have no idea if bugs on launchpad get to the devs, but there it is, anyway.
[04:54] <varsendagger> !ff1.5
[04:54] <No1Viking> What app can I install so I can create gif animations?
[04:54] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:54] <Locke> cdubya: lol
[04:54] <Malachi> needhelp: No, what widget?
[04:54] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: re: network-manager.  maybe you can start gnome-panel?
[04:55] <varsendagger> No1Viking, i think  you can do that with gimp
[04:55] <[method] > could anyone help me out, I have a windows box that can load a website, but my ubuntu is unable to connect to it, ubuntu can't even ping it.
[04:55] <majd_> _jason, wow...that easy huh?
[04:55] <_jason> majd_, yep
[04:55] <No1Viking> varsendagger, ok, thanks
[04:55] <tolstoy> [method] : what's the web site?
[04:55] <Malachi> needhelp: Starterbar?
[04:55] <needhelp> OSXCornerXMMS
[04:55] <czr> does gimp even have gif export anymore?
[04:55] <czr> gif is evil
[04:55] <[method] > tolstoy: http://-method-.deviantart.com
[04:55] <needhelp> and all that I download to try to use with XMMS
[04:55] <Locke> cdubya: the help IRC channel is slighly helping, but i'm serious, if one more person calls me a lamer i swear my IQ is going to drop
[04:55] <No1Viking> czr, just do save as....
[04:55] <Madpilot> No1Viking: there's an animation plugin for the GIMP - search Synaptic for it, I can't remember what it's called
[04:56] <[method] > the only way I can get ubuntu to connect to it is by using a proxy
[04:56] <czr> nolviking, I don't use gifs ever :-)
[04:56] <No1Viking> Madpilot, ok
[04:56] <czr> just was suprised to learn that gimp has gif support, gif has been pretty much removed from all open source software
[04:56] <tolstoy> [method] : I get something if I remove the -'s from around the word "method".
[04:56] <cdubya> Locke, lol.....
[04:56] <cdubya> heh
[04:57] <varsendagger> No1Viking, check out GUG for info ( gimp user group)
[04:57] <cdubya> Locke, what's the problem?
[04:57] <[method] > yeah, but that some guy named method, my username on the site is -method-
[04:57] <varsendagger> GUG.org
[04:57] <Madpilot> No1Viking: gimp-gap
[04:57] <czr> [method] , - is an illegal character to start DNS labels
[04:57] <[method] > all my windows boxes can do it
[04:57] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: the bug is actually at: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6999
[04:57] <czr> [method] , windowses don't adhere to standards
[04:57] <Locke> cdubya: just formatting the damn hard drive at the moment
[04:57] <[method] > ah
[04:57] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: oh, wait, not it isn't. Hm.
[04:57] <needhelp> ??
[04:57] <cdubya> Locke, heh
[04:57] <No1Viking> Got it Madpilot. Installed now!
[04:57] <[method] > is there any way to get around that>
[04:58] <No1Viking> Thanks guys!
[04:58] <No1Viking> :)
[04:58] <veronica> i'm need help with setting up usb wireless adapter?
[04:58] <czr> [method] , use windows? if you don't like to play with the standards, use something that doesn't respect them :-)
[04:58] <Madpilot> No1Viking: np
[04:58] <Malachi> needhelp: I'm sorry, it's not like me to just leave a person hanging after already getting started with their question,
[04:58] <Malachi> but I must go.
[04:58] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I found the bug report. I'll second it if possible, but I think I'm done for tonight. I'll be around here tomorrow.
[04:58] <czr> [method] , seriously, try nslookup -method-.blah.blah on command line, what does it give?
[04:58] <Malachi> needhelp: Problems have aroused.
[04:58] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: er. http://launchpad.net/maline/bugs/6699.
[04:58] <shadowplay> are ubuntu binaries 386 compatible?  Or are they 586 & up?
[04:59] <Malachi> needhelp: I'm sorry...maybe Googling the error will help.
[04:59] <Malachi> I must go.
[04:59] <tolstoy> Rick_Knight: okay.  I figure if there's two of us, it means we're not crazy.
[04:59] <[method] > well, the only way I can find, if I use a proxy I can get to the site, so I will continue to do that
[04:59] <Rick_Knight> tolstoy: I hope you're right! Bye for now.
[04:59] <czr> [method] , the proxy is running windows, right? :-)
[05:00] <[method] > no idea, it's just some random proxy
[05:00] <czr> [method] , it's a dns resolution problem, standard dns resolvers will probably refuse to even attempt at finding anything starting with '-'
[05:00] <czr> [method] , must be something non-unix based then. just continue using proxy then, but know that standards based stuff won't be able to access your 'site'
[05:01] <veronica> yeah thanks guys!
[05:01] <[method] > well, it's deviantart, maybe I can get them to change my name, seeing that it doesn't fit a standard
[05:01] <[method] > thanks for your input..
[05:02] <czr> method, that would be recommendable I guess. just remove the special characters from the front and that's enough :-)
[05:02] <matrix> i need help?
[05:02] <czr> it's ok to have - in the name, just not start a name with it
[05:02] <matrix> my systems used all memory
[05:02] <qwe> hmm, my pentium-m starts up throttled down to 800mhz on startup and I can't seem to raise it back up to its full speed
[05:02] <cdubya> Locke, what were you going to use dsl for again?
[05:02] <qwe> anyone have any ideas?
[05:03] <czr> qwe, what is the max speed of it? (rated)?
[05:03] <qwe> czr: 1.73ghz
[05:03] <czr> qwe, hmmh. someone else had exact same problem
[05:03] <czr> qwe, is it a new laptop?
[05:03] <qwe> czr: relatively. since october
[05:03] <czr> (not related to ubuntu, this problem is)
[05:03] <czr> qwe, has it run at max speed in any linux then?
[05:03] <qwe> yes, when I had gentoo
[05:04] <czr> qwe, ah. hmmh. which kernel version did you run on gentoo?
[05:04] <qwe> I just installed ubuntu since I lost my root partition and I don't have time to reinstall
[05:04] <qwe> 2.6.14
[05:04] <czr> and what is the kernel version you have now?
[05:04] <qwe> .12 I think
[05:04] <czr> the speedstep tables are updated in each kernel
[05:04] <czr> that might be it then
[05:04] <qwe> yeah hmm
[05:04] <ToRTuReD_X> man this sucks
[05:04] <qwe> maybe I'll do a stage 3
[05:04] <ToRTuReD_X> anyone wanna tell me if there are new repositories and what they are?
[05:04] <czr> qwe, or just build a new kernel in ubuntu for ubuntu
[05:05] <ToRTuReD_X> been a LONG time since i used ubuntu
[05:05] <ToRTuReD_X> ;/
[05:05] <czr> qwe, probably will go away with new kernel. the other person was running p-m rated over 2GHz with 2.6.15 and that didn't have the speedstep info yet, so stuck at 800MHz
[05:05] <qwe> czr: bleh. if I have learn how to do that I might as well go back to a system I already know like the back of my hand ;)
[05:05] <qwe> ahhh
[05:05] <czr> qwe, building kernel for ubuntu is exactly the same as for gentoo
[05:05] <czr> since building the kernel is always the same, go figure ;-)
[05:06] <qwe> oh, you don't do any dpkg nonsense?
[05:06] <czr> depends on how you do it obviously
[05:06] <czr> you don't have to if you don't want to
[05:06] <qwe> meh
[05:06] <czr> download source, extract, config, build, install
[05:06] <qwe> yup
[05:06] <qwe> done that so many times I've lost count
[05:06] <majd_> weird, i just installed curl (ftp) and it said it worked fine, but i can't find it
[05:06] <matrix> why ubuntu used full memory?
[05:06] <czr> qwe, you might also look for a precompiled kernel package for ubuntu from somewhere that has newer kernel than .12
[05:07] <czr> qwe, but I don't know where you should even start, I normally build my own if the stock kernel isn't satisfactory. you lose the graphical bootsplash, but meh :-)
[05:07] <_jason> I just noticed that totem-xine isn't playing certain sound for me anymore.  mplayer will play files fine.  This just started.  I've tried .wmv and a random avi I downloaded from the web and both don't have sound.  mp3's however do play fine with sound.  Any ideas?
[05:07] <shadowplay> fyi answered my own Q.  Wiki says ubuntu runs on 386
[05:07] <czr> shadowplay, good to know
[05:07] <qwe> czr: yeah, well installing ubuntu was just a quick fix anyway.   Like, where they are stored on the host linux system?
[05:08] <czr> dapper will have a .15 kernel qwe
[05:08] <czr> dapper, normally distros select a kernel for a release and then stick with it. kernel is not upgraded during a release (except for critical security fixes)
[05:08] <qwe> czr: meh. like I said, I wasn't intending to stick with ubuntu forever anyway, I just wanted to get something up quick
[05:08] <qwe> can't beat a 30-min install
[05:08] <czr> but ubuntu is nice :-)
[05:09] <czr> actually you can, but not's let get into there :-)
[05:09] <erratic> hey how do I make this go away W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:09] <shadowplay> czr: sort of.  Gentoo ppl complain that makes it slow.  Why maybe technically true, but I haven't noticed the difference on a 1g p3.
[05:09] <erratic> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:09] <erratic> root@Alice:/etc/apt#
[05:09] <czr> shadowplay, gentoo people complain about everything that isn't gentoo :-)
[05:09] <tolstoy> _jason: the only time i had odd problems was installing pre-breezy over hoary and having polypaudio still trying to run the show.
[05:09] <erratic> how do I make that go away??
[05:09] <qwe> czr: ubuntu is nice, but I'm enough of a power user that anything that isn't gentoo isn't good eough ;)
[05:09] <erratic> not really
[05:09] <erratic> it won't let me use my french package repository
[05:10] <_jason> tolstoy, hrmm I'm using alsa.  I just don't see how it started all of a sudden.   I could mail you one :-)
[05:13] <qwe> shadowplay: haven't had much experience with the ubuntu forums but that's what I've heard
[05:13] <erratic> nor have I found a way using google which is rediculous
[05:13] <shadowplay> qwe: --omg-optimize!
[05:13] <qwe> czr: heheheh
[05:13] <majd_> _jason, thanks
[05:14] <qwe> shadowplay: I'm not an idiot ;)
[05:14] <_jason> majd_, actually it may be 'uninstall', but you'll see something there that obviously uninstalls
[05:14] <majd_> yeah
[05:14] <cdubya> ssstormy, you ever get an answer to your question?
[05:14] <majd_> what ftp client do you recomment?
[05:14] <majd_> *recommend?
[05:14] <qwe> ftp
[05:14] <erratic> ncftp
[05:14] <qwe> :P
[05:14] <BxL> majd_, gftp
[05:14] <czr> seriously though, I rarely recommend gentoo for newbies, but I think it might be (just might) be a better learning vessel than LFS nowadays for people in a hurry
[05:14] <shadowplay> qwe: no, but it's a funny page: funroll-loops.org  :-)
[05:14] <WorstPhobia> Is there a way to use the Windows Key in Ubuntu?
[05:14] <czr> rarely = newer that is :-)
[05:14] <qwe> shadowplay: I've seen it ;)
[05:15] <qwe> czr: I've learned more about linux through gentoo than I have through any other distribution
[05:15] <majd_> bxl, do i want common or gtk?
[05:15] <joseph> hey, does anyone have a lot of experience with getting hardware to work in linux???
[05:15] <qwe> besides, portage rocks
[05:15] <erratic>  ubuntu sux
[05:15] <majd_> what's the difference?
[05:15] <czr> qwe, that was my point. I used to recommend LFS when gentoo was crap and before it existed
[05:15] <WorstPhobia> Never mind, I'll ask tomorrow.
[05:15] <qwe> joseph: wow, could you be more vague?
[05:15] <joseph> i can't get my laptop to come out of standby
[05:15] <czr> qwe, for people who wanted to get their hands dirty that is
[05:15] <ssstormy> cdubya, nope, none of them so far
[05:15] <qwe> joseph: hold the power button until it turns off
[05:16] <qwe> czr: I did LFS back in the day. took forever, wasn't really worth it
[05:16] <cdubya> ssstormy, .wine/drive_c/Program_Files ...... is that what you were wanting?
[05:16] <erratic> ubuntu sux
[05:16] <qwe> booted up damn fast though
[05:16] <czr> joseph, you might also need to remove the battery out of the laptop (and remove power cord) for some laptops with buggy bioses
[05:16] <BxL> erratic, why?
[05:16] <tolstoy> sethk: FINALLY: I got wireless working by install ipw2200 driver 0.19 (+ 2.2 firmware)
[05:16] <cdubya> ssstormy, not sure about crossover office.....if that's how it handles it for sure.....
[05:16] <joseph> no, i need it to standby, not turn off
[05:16] <qwe> are there no ops in here?
[05:16] <shadowplay> BxL: what's erratic?
[05:16] <erratic> scrool up
[05:16] <sethk> tolstoy, which driver did you replace, and which firmware?
[05:16] <czr> qwe, well, it's more pedagogic than useful :-) gentoo is somewhere in between of useful and pedagogic
[05:16] <erratic> scroll*
[05:17] <qwe> czr: personally, I use it for the level of control it offers
[05:17] <tolstoy> sethk: firmware was 2.3.  not sure which driver.  can I "strings *.ko" to find out?
[05:17] <czr> qwe, you don't mind rebuilding stuff all the time?
[05:17] <sethk> tolstoy, not important, I was just curious.
[05:17] <shadowplay> czr: it makes running games easier (gentoo that is)
[05:17] <joseph> but im lookin for someone who knows enough about linux to help me diagnose it, non of the forums are helpin me
[05:17] <czr> shadowplay, xbox makes running games easier I think ;-)
[05:17] <batman> hey does anyone know where i can find a guide to setting up the partitions for a dual boot between windows and ubuntu?
[05:18] <czr> or ps2, which ever really.
[05:18] <qwe> czr: nah, the only thing that takes annoyingly long are kde packages
[05:18] <erratic> Reading package lists... Done
[05:18] <erratic> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:18] <czr> qwe, you don't upgrade libc too often then? ;-)
[05:18] <qwe> shadowplay: yeah that too... enemy territory was a breeze to install
[05:18] <erratic> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:18] <erratic> need help...
[05:18] <joseph> batman, gentoo's is the one that will teach you the best
[05:18] <erratic> root@Alice:/etc/apt#
[05:18] <qwe> czr: nope
[05:18] <tolstoy> sethk: modinfo the-file-right-there.ko worked.  It's 1.0.6.  They're up to 1.0.10 now.
[05:18] <czr> qwe, why would you run buggy critical libraries then?
[05:18] <erratic> Reading package lists... Done
[05:18] <erratic> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[05:18] <qwe> czr: I wouldn't call glibc buggy ;)
[05:18] <erratic> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:19] <czr> qwe, you wouldn't? hehe. I certainly would. so much code, so little time :-)
[05:19] <ajmitch> erratic: stop pasting that
[05:19] <erratic> I can't
[05:19] <erratic> until someone helps me
[05:19] <erratic> I'm sorry
[05:19] <ajmitch> yes you can
[05:19] <czr> qwe, anyhow, I think we agree that we agree, have fun in stage 3 :-)
[05:19] <erratic> Ignoring you
[05:19] <qwe> czr: will do :)
[05:19] <czr> I need to finish editing audio for a while now
[05:19] <tolstoy> sethk: the price of this old driver: no pretty blue light for the wirless.
[05:19] <shadowplay> czr: actually, I upgraded my ubuntu kernel via synaptic, and nvidia broke.  I even tried installing from nvidia's site.  I'm going to try recompiling nvidia again, but that doesn't buy me anything over gentoo ;-)
[05:19] <qwe> ajmitch: he needs a good kicking
[05:19] <tolstoy> RickKnight: It works!!!!!
[05:20] <Madpilot> ajmitch: just kick erratic please, he's been trolling for a few minutes now...
[05:20] <erratic> your mom needs a good kicking
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> install the key, or install it and tell it to ignroe the warning,
[05:20] <sethk> tolstoy, I guess that's worth it if it actually works.  :)
[05:20] <joseph> hmm, so no one here knows how to get hardware working?? (specifically power management stuff so my standby stops locking the computer)
[05:20] <shadowplay> czr: i'm *not* trolling.  it's a real problem i'm having.
[05:20] <qwe> ah, he kicked himself
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:20] <czr> shadowplay, I didn't think you were trolling :-)
[05:20] <ajmitch> tolstoy: the led can be turned on
[05:20] <RickKnight> tolstoy: What works!
[05:20] <czr> shadowplay, can't help with nvidia though, I don't touch closed binary crap
[05:20] <shadowplay> czr: nod.
[05:20] <tolstoy> RickKnight: driver 0.19
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> shadowplay,  i think when you install the kernel. you often have to reinstall the nvidia packages. (but i though it did that autpmaticially)
[05:21] <qwe> czr: I wish I could afford not to, but I can't get any gl performance worth a toot without 'em
[05:21] <VR^> Hey all, how do i launch the firefox profile manager? (i installed ff 1.5 by following the guide, if that makes a difference)
[05:21] <tolstoy> ajmitch: with this old driver?  I don't even see anything in /sys/bus/pci/etc/etc/etc.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> shadowplay,  unless the kernel you installed is one that has issues with nvidia stuff.
[05:21] <czr> qwe, I feel your pain
[05:21] <_jason> VR^, firefox -profilemanager
[05:21] <RickKnight> tolstoy:80211-1.1.9?
[05:21] <czr> qwe, I've been putting on one low level opengl project for couple of years now because of this reason
[05:22] <ajmitch> tolstoy: hm, maybe not with the old driver :) - I'm using the ipw2200 driver
[05:22] <VR^> _jason: thanks
[05:22] <czr> qwe, then again, I'm lucky enough to have confusingly large array of other projects to work on, so I'll survive
[05:22] <shadowplay> Dr_Willis: yeah, I did, several times.  but perhaps i did thinks in the wrong order.  I do notice ubuntu is using agpgart, and the (working) setup i have on gentoo isnt.
[05:22] <tolstoy> RickKnight: nope. the ipw2200-0.19.  It doesn't require the separate ieee80211 build.
[05:23] <czr> shadowplay, nvidia binary drivers program the agp GART directly, so the kernel agpgart module would get into the way
[05:23] <picasso> ajmitch: do you have to recompile each time you upgrade kernel?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> shadowplay,  there is an agpgart module I though. but really with ubuntu on my 4 systems and nvidia - its been totally trivial to get it working.
[05:23] <tolstoy> ajmitch: yeah, the options ipw2200 led=1 trick is rejected with this driver.  I can live with it until the crack ubuntu staff sorts out the problem.
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> shadowplay,  i was amazed at how well it worked.
[05:23] <joseph> hmm, so no one here knows how to get hardware working?? (specifically power management stuff so my standby stops locking the computer)
[05:23] <shadowplay> Dr_Willis: I switched between the nviida and the legacy nvidia too, along with doing a custom kernel... so i really need to start from scratch
[05:23] <ajmitch> tolstoy: aha, I'm using ipw2200 (in dapper) now with that option
[05:23] <qwe> czr: heh. I wish the open-source driver scene moved along faster
[05:24] <tolstoy> RickKnight: the ipw2200 0.19 driver is what ships with hoary.
[05:24] <RickKnight> tolstoy: where does the ipw2200-0.1.9 come from.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  theres often issues with apci and the power saving stuff in laptops. sadly.     best bet - disable/dont use the standby feature
[05:24] <tolstoy> ajmitch: for some reason, neither dapper nor breezy work with the HP nw8240
[05:24] <Guest64999> have the drive Agere/Lucent v.92 for Ubuntu ?
[05:24] <ajmitch> tolstoy: what issues, and are they fileed as bugs?
[05:24] <tolstoy> RickKnight: under downloads at ipw2200.sf.net, choose the [more]  link.
[05:24] <RickKnight> tolstoy: I downloaded the 2.4 firmware and now I have an interface.
[05:24] <joseph> Dr_Willis, so u don't think there's a way to get it to work under linux?
[05:24] <petoix> hi
[05:25] <petoix> i installed ubuntu
[05:25] <petoix> and my sound isnt working whY?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  totally depends on the laptop and kernel.. google for your specific laptop and linux support. It may be some bug/issue thats being worked on.
[05:25] <tolstoy> ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6699
[05:25] <shadowplay> petoix: did you run alsamixer?
[05:25] <RickKnight> tolstoy: So 0.1.9 is old. It will build on 2.6?
[05:25] <joseph> Dr_Willis, ya, i've done that, that's why im turning to IRC
[05:25] <tolstoy> ajmitch: I have no confidence I filed it correctly over there, so if you know what to do....
[05:25] <petoix> nope how do i run it sir ?
[05:25] <tolstoy> RickKnight: yeap.
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  how new is the laptop? whats the cpu and stuff?
[05:26] <andre_> i need some help, pvt-me, plz
[05:26] <andre_> =p
[05:26] <shadowplay> petoix: hang-on there's a howto i think
[05:26] <RickKnight> tolstoy: does it do encryption? WPA?
[05:26] <tolstoy> RickKnight: it'll complain about a dupe function, I think, but you just comment out the offending code.
[05:26] <tolstoy> tolstoy: no idea.
[05:26] <tolstoy> RickKnight: but if you can confirm, that's at least something.
[05:26] <petoix> k
[05:26] <joseph> Dr_Willis, it's rather old, hp ze4420, pentium celeron 2.0 ghz
[05:26] <petoix> i ran it now and a dialog poped up
[05:27] <r0ver> hello, what cdburner do you suggest for ubuntu ? (are there something like k3b for gnome ?)
[05:27] <ajmitch> tolstoy: ah, the problem being that malone hasn't been used for bugs filed in main - they're switching in the next week or so
[05:27] <bamm`laptop> gnomebaker
[05:27] <petoix> also when i minimize a window it disappers and i have to use Alt + Tab to change
[05:28] <petoix> why?
[05:28] <tolstoy> RickKnight: the driver (0.19) seems to require ieee80211_crypt, so, praps.
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  could be it need some kernel options to get it working right..  but it may just be it has  issues no one has bothered to patch the kernel to work around.
[05:28] <Guest64999> Do have the drive Agere/Lucent v.92 for Ubuntu ?
[05:28] <RickKnight> tolstoy: Yes, it is something. I'll do it tomorrow. When I installed the 2.4 firmware and things worked as far as an interface, I thought I had it solved. Now I just can't get the IP address. Something to do tomorrow.
[05:28] <tolstoy> ajmitch: should I refile back in bugzilla? timfrost said they were turning that off within hours.
[05:28] <Madpilot> r0ver: k3b works in Gnome - many of Gnome's native burners seem buggy, TBH...
[05:28] <bimberi> r0ver: nautilus is good for data cds, there's serpentine for audio, otherwise gnomebaker or graveman
[05:28] <joseph> Dr_Willis, that's the thing, i need someone who's good enough to help me to find out if i can keep linux on here
[05:28] <ajmitch> tolstoy: yes, it's being switched very soon now
[05:28] <tolstoy> RickKnight: just letting you know so you can start bright and early, then, if it works, have an EXCELLENT rest of the day.
[05:29] <tolstoy> ajmitch: should I refile in regular bugzilla?
[05:29] <petoix> .... anyone ?
[05:29] <ajmitch> tolstoy: the fact that you get an ip via dhcp indicates that the wireless is certainly working to a degree
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  i disable all that hibernate/suspend crud - even under windows :P i find its more hassle then its worth.
[05:29] <RickKnight> tolstoy: ieee80211_crypt is one of the extra kernel things kubuntu adds.
[05:29] <ajmitch> tolstoy: probably not worth it
[05:29] <r0ver> Madpilot: including gnomebaker ? (is it buggy too ?)
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> joseph,  could check the ubuntu laptop forum.. or other disrto laptop forums even.
[05:29] <tolstoy> ajmitch: I will if I get no changes or comments on that bug for a few days.
[05:29] <petoix> ..
[05:29] <zuverink> How can i boot staight to init 3?
[05:29] <joseph> Dr_Willis, ya, but it's rather important to me.  I've looked under tons of forums
[05:30] <fluffyashes> Can anyone help me with a broken gksu
[05:30] <RickKnight> tolstoy: Well, that really is it for me. Tomorrow get here too fast. night all.
[05:30] <ajmitch> tolstoy: you assume that every bug will be attended to in a few days
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  edit the grub kernel= line and add '3' to the end. is one way
[05:30] <tolstoy> RickKnight: I removed ieee802* stuff and ipw2200* stuff before installing 0.19.  It works. ;)
[05:30] <petoix> well ?
[05:30] <petoix> isnt this the help channel ?
[05:31] <tolstoy> ajmitch: yes!  and why not, be-damned!  Well, I'll revisit in a few days and see if I should prod or poke.
[05:31] <fluffyashes> Can someone help me with broken gksu i can't access any gui that requires root password.
[05:31] <shadowplay> petoix: try applications --> sound & video --> mixer ?
[05:31] <Madpilot> r0ver: I haven't used it since upgrading to Breezy; the Hoary version burnt coasters for me, though
[05:31] <petoix> mixer ?
[05:31] <zuverink> Dr_Willis: I hit the kernel line, hit "e" added the 3, but it still boots graphical
[05:31] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: use your own user password
[05:31] <Madpilot> !tell fluffyashes about root
[05:31] <shadowplay> petoix: (sorry i don't have ubuntu running at the moment so i don't knew the exact name of the app)
[05:31] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: it doesn't give me a chance to enter my password it just says i've entered it wrong
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  could just disable the GDM service..
[05:32] <petoix> ok
[05:32] <shadowplay> petoix: volume control should do it too, if you open it
[05:32] <r0ver> Madpilot, bimberi, bamm`laptop: thanks friends!, i'll do a couple of test and maybe i write the results on my blog. Thanks again.
[05:32] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: i have all access to thing through the gui with sudo and su
[05:32] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: excuse me i meant terminal not gui in that last message
[05:32] <petoix> k dont worry about it
[05:32] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: have you actually created a root account?
[05:33] <zuverink> Dr_Willis: I am trying to install an nvidia card(pci) it displays until the dm starts and then i loose display
[05:33] <shadowplay> petoix: as for the disapearing windows, you can right click on a gnome-panel (the 'start' bar) and add an applet that shows all the running apps
[05:33] <blink56k> hi
[05:33] <petoix> sec
[05:33] <zuverink> Dr_Willis: so I cant get to gdm
[05:34] <petoix> wheres the gnome-panel
[05:34] <petoix> ?
[05:34] <Madpilot> petoix: the bars at the top & bottom of your desktop
[05:34] <petoix> yes but there is no "start"
[05:35] <czr> lol. my system just booted itself :-)
[05:35] <czr> not this one obviously, but still :-)
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  try 'alt-ctrl-f1' to get to a console and then kill the gdm service?
[05:35] <petoix> also when i minimize a window it disappers and i have to use Alt + Tab to change!
[05:35] <majd_> hey everyone, i installed gftp through the synaptic packet manager
[05:35] <petoix> ffs.
[05:35] <majd_> but i can't figure out how to open it
[05:36] <blink56k> I'm trying to remove ubuntu on this machine but by reinstalling windows all I get is a messed grub bootloader that won't boot anything.  What I did was make grub bootable from a CD but don't understand any of the commands on it.  Can anyone help? Thanks
[05:36] <fluffyashes> majd_ it should have a shortcut in Applications>INternet>gftp
[05:36] <Madpilot> petoix: app windows should show up in your bottom panel
[05:36] <majd_> fluffyashes, it isn't there though, i looked
[05:36] <shadowplay> petoix: right-click on either bar --> add. choose windowlist.
[05:36] <petoix> nope
[05:37] <petoix> wait
[05:37] <bamm`laptop> blink put in the windows disk, let it go to part where says "hit r to repair" .. when you login you'll get a little dos prompt type thing.. type "fixmbr"
[05:37] <_jason> I have no sound when I play a .wmv in totem-xine (I have tried a random avi as well and the problem persists).  However, mp3's will produce sound just fine.  The movies play fine in mplayer.  This just started happening, it was working fine before.  xine-ui behaves the same way.  Any ideas?
[05:37] <Madpilot> shadowplay: thanks, that was going to be my next suggestion!   You can overwrite the mbr as bamm`laptop says by using the fdisk /mbr command which you can access from the recovery console
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  interesting..
[05:38] <fluffyashes> or a simple format mbr
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  could use the rescue/recover/failsafe (whjatever its called) menu item to boot to a non-X system
[05:39] <blink56k> i'm not sure if i can really overwrite it from the recovery console... :(...is there any other way to do it
[05:39] <shadowplay> petoix: did you get sound working?
[05:39] <blink56k> the recovery environment is the one provided by ibm/lenovo
[05:40] <s_spiff{AWAY}> hey need help here..
[05:40] <fluffyashes> Can someone help me with a gksu problem? i am unable to use any graphical program that requires root permission
[05:40] <petoix> nope
[05:40] <bamm`laptop> blink56k,  you could boot into live disk and add it to grub list for _easiest_ way to fix without windows disk (at least i think easiest)
[05:40] <s_spiff{AWAY}>  ?I had certain fav/history in Windows Opera Browser..where can i find it?
[05:40] <s_spiff{AWAY}> i want to check out a link..i cant remeber it..and only way i can get is thru the history of the browser
[05:41] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: please ask before pm'ing people
[05:41] <blink56k> add what to grub list?
[05:41] <shadowplay> petoix: applications --> sound & video --> volume control
[05:41] <zuverink> Dr_Willis: how do you reconfigure Xorg?
[05:41] <petoix> yea..
[05:41] <Psi-Jack> Hey guys.. I have an spca50x-based webcam, and when it's hooked into my USB 2.0 NEC-based PCI controller, it crashes my system trying to use it.    Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening?
[05:41] <petoix> doen that
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> s_spiff{AWAY},  proberly in the c:/documents and settiings/username/application data dir
[05:41] <shadowplay> petoix: if there are red x's at the bottom of each slider, that means the channel is muted
[05:41] <DACRepair> how do i mount  is it "Mount <location> <Dstination> <option> <Filesystem>"?
[05:42] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: i just figured it would be easier, sorry. I also didn't realize that it was any different from a name with a : after it.  I am sorta new to xchat
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> zuverink,  I forget the 'proper' way to do it. .. ive never had to mess with it that much. :P the ubuntu wiki has the details
[05:42] <shadowplay> petoix: petoix click on it to enable it
[05:42] <blink56k> cant i just reinstall windows from the reovery partition and when i restart, use grub from a cd (not an ubuntu live cd, but a grub alone live cd) so that i cant continue into the windows installation
[05:43] <DACRepair> zuverink, it should be ./xorg config
[05:43] <blink56k> ^can
[05:43] <NigelS> blink56k: if you're getting to a grub console, why not just point it at where windows is
[05:43] <blink56k> the grub live cd works, i just don't know any commands to put after the grub> prompt
[05:43] <fluffyashes> Can anyone help me with gksu, I cannot use any graphical program that requires root permission.
[05:43] <blink56k> thats what i dont know how to do
[05:43] <shadowplay> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:43] <blink56k> it's not one of those "select yours os" prompts
[05:43] <petoix> k
[05:44] <petoix> ehh there was no x's
[05:45] <shadowplay> petoix: ok, and the volume sliders are up right?
[05:45] <fluffyashes> Does no one want to help me? ive asked like 4 times
[05:46] <petoix> yes
[05:46] <NigelS> blink56k: press ? for options I think; then set the root drive to the place where windows is, so root (hdX,X) iirc and then "makeactive" and then b to boot
[05:46] <_jason> fluffyashes, what happens when you try to use it?
[05:46] <shadowplay> fluffyashes: quick workaround... open a terminal, sudo <name_of_program> &
[05:46] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: I might have asked already - but have you enabled the root account?
[05:46] <Mabus06> I used source-o-matic to generate a sources.list, and did the keys thing that the page had said to do, but I still get errors when installing packages or apt-get update
[05:46] <blink56k> so whent he grub prompt shows up i tipe root sda1? and then makeactive and then boot?
[05:46] <_jason> Mabus06, can you pastebin the errors?
[05:47] <blink56k> hdX, X (whats the second x for)
[05:47] <Kachingo> Howdy
[05:47] <bamm`laptop> number of partition
[05:47] <bamm`laptop> hd0 hd1
[05:47] <DrZeus> Hi all.  HOw can I do to submit a patch for the kernel of the next release? I mean, is it possible?
[05:47] <fluffyashes> _jason: It tells me that i have entered an incorrect password, it doesn't even give me a chance to enter one
[05:47] <fluffyashes> shadowplay: that does absolutely nothing besides give me a pid, no window pops up
[05:47] <NigelS> blink56k: no that wasn't what I said, the X and X stand for the drive number and the partition number, e.g. (hd0,0)
[05:47] <czr> DrZeus, what kind of patch?
[05:47] <_jason> fluffyashes, as Madpilot asked, did you enable the root account?
[05:47] <shadowplay> petoix: open a terminal (i think it's applications --> accessories -> terminal; or console)
[05:47] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: i've been able to use sudo and su freely so i guess root is enabled
[05:48] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: you're currently logged in with your normal user account, though?
[05:48] <blink56k> root hda1, 1 then makeactive then , boot...are those the three commands?
[05:48] <DrZeus> because there was a problem with the acpi of my laptop an needed a patch for the kernel, and a patch for the patch itself(how funny is that).  Breezy couldn't detect the battery state
[05:48] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: yes
[05:48] <NigelS> blink56k: I think you need to press the command "e" to entire the edit mode to begin with.
[05:48] <petoix> yes i know that.
[05:48] <fluffyashes> _jason: I JUST turned on the ability to login to the root account
[05:48] <shadowplay> fluffyashes: that's wierd.  try something like sudo ls;  then sudo xterm;
[05:48] <czr> DrZeus, you should check whether the patch has been incorporated into dapper first
[05:48] <petoix> shadowplay
[05:48] <_jason> fluffyashes, that will break gui admin tools
[05:48] <NigelS> blink56k: no it needs to be exact, e.g. with the brackets.....
[05:48] <Kachingo> I was just wondering, I'm a complete n00b with linux. What directory should I install program folders? I downloaded firefox 1.5, but I can't find where it should go. Cheers
[05:48] <Mabus06> _jason,  http://pastebin.ca/36554
[05:48] <czr> DrZeus, since that's the next release, then probably discuss about it on #ubuntu-dev or mailing-lists
[05:48] <NigelS> blink56k: and you don't type boot, you just press b when you're done editing
[05:49] <fluffyashes> _jason: sudo works normally i've been using it all night
[05:49] <DrZeus> czr->I found the patch, and the patch for the patch, and I would like to contribute for it(instead of doing the recompile again in the dapper release)
[05:49] <fluffyashes> _jason: what will break those tools?
[05:49] <_jason> fluffyashes, enabling the root account
[05:49] <Madpilot> Kachingo: Linux doesn't install stuff like Windows does - what format is your file in?
[05:49] <blink56k> e, root [hda0, 1] , makeactive, press b?
[05:49] <czr> DrZeus, I understand what you did. I'm saying that the more you work before hand to check that the patch isn't already in dapper and tell why it's needed, the more are the chances of it being included
[05:49] <fluffyashes> _jason: I did it after I couldn't access it in the first place, so i should turn it off?
[05:49] <shadowplay> petoix: ok do an ls.  choose a file that's a few kb in size (if you have a .wav file that's even better) and type ...
[05:49] <DrZeus> czr->I dont know that much about the kernel or that; so then its better to go to ubuntu-dev you say?
[05:49] <NigelS> blink56k: you're tryiing to be funny now :) they have to be round brackets
[05:50] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: try turning the root login off, see if that fixes things
[05:50] <czr> DrZeus, where did you find the patch and which kernel version is it against?
[05:50] <vskye> Kachingo - just install it in you're /home/username dir
[05:50] <NigelS> blink56k: and no space iirc
[05:50] <shadowplay> petoix: cat the_file > /dev/dsp
[05:50] <fluffyashes> Madpilot: i turned it on in an effort to fix things, it was off and it wasn't wokring
[05:50] <NigelS> blink56k: your best bet is to go to the grub page on the web now and have a look
[05:50] <gg> alo.... need help about identd server on ubuntu
[05:50] <shadowplay> petoix: replacing 'the_file" with teh filename you choose.
[05:50] <gg> pls............
[05:50] <blink56k> ahh I'm such a dumbarse...id leave linux on my machine happily but my school just doesnt support it on its network :(
[05:50] <gg> anybody can help me ... pls........
[05:50] <_jason> Mabus06, have you tried using a different mirror?
[05:50] <NigelS> blink56k: why do you need your school to support it?
[05:50] <fluffyashes> _jason: i can't disable the root login it won't let me open the menu to change itb ack now
[05:51] <_jason> fluffyashes, what menu?
[05:51] <Kachingo> Madpilot: it was an archive, but I extracted it, so now it's a folder. You know how windows has c:/program files where I put stuff. But I don't really know the layout of linux
[05:51] <czr> blink56k, how is it not possible to 'support linux on the network'?
[05:51] <NigelS> blink56k: linux is a far safer proposition to have on your network than a windows box which could get worms etc
[05:51] <seven> g'day people, i have installed ubuntu and love it...its like crack...now i'm trying to migrate completely from windows...the only thing i have left to configure is kismet and it has given me hell, would someone be so kind as to give me a hand with it?
[05:51] <blink56k> it lets it on the wired network but wont let it on the wireless network without the cisco vpn client
[05:51] <petoix> shadowplay what u meaN?
[05:51] <DACRepair> does anyone have any experiance getting a Ati RADION 7000 32mbddr running under breezy
[05:51] <_jason> fluffyashes, just do 'sudo passwd -l root'
[05:51] <fluffyashes> _jason: System>Administration>Login Screen Setup it won't open now...that was how i had enabled logging into the root acount
[05:51] <Mabus06> _jason, ?
[05:51] <czr> blink56k, ah. you should probably try looking for a cisco vpn compatible client then for linux
[05:51] <blink56k> it's really stupid of them because the school servers themselves run on linux
[05:52] <Madpilot> Kachingo: Linux sorts stuff according to what it does, so one app will have stuff all over the system - and you probably didn't need to extract the archive. What format was the archive in?
[05:52] <DrZeus> czr-> it has 2 methods of implementation: for kernels below 2.6.13 and for 2.6.13
[05:52] <shadowplay> petoix: we're trying to send a file directly to the sound device, to test if it's working.
[05:52] <DrZeus> czr-> this is the link: http://www.minet.uni-jena.de/~ferdy/l10.html
[05:52] <blink56k> yeah well first I'm going to try that grub thing and then I'll keep you posted
[05:52] <czr> blink56k, they're probably running cisco clients on some prupose that has nothing to do with windows vs linux
[05:52] <fluffyashes> _jason: that spits out [1] + Broken pipe sudo network-admin
[05:52] <NigelS> blink56k: cisco do a linux vpn client though yes?
[05:52] <Kachingo> madpilot: .tar.gz
[05:52] <czr> drzeus, the kernel going into dapper is .15, so you should check whether the patch has been accepted in mainline kernel first
[05:53] <Exdaix> Anyone have an idea as to why I don't get any automounting USB devices?  I have a fresh install of 5.10
[05:53] <Exdaix> dmesg displays it found the device
[05:53] <czr> DrZeus, start by reading the .14 changelog (kernel.org) and .15 kernel change log in order to see that, or grep for the changes that the patch includes
[05:53] <Exdaix> but no icon
[05:53] <seven> i have followed the steps on the ubuntu web page on how to "patch" the orinoco drivers and everything followed as planned until i got to the make and the make install
[05:53] <czr> DrZeus, the next release will use the .15 kernel anyway
[05:53] <blink56k> well be back later guys...wish me luck!
[05:53] <seven> i got errors on the make and the make install
[05:54] <shadowplay> petoix: so type  cat /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav | /dev/dsp
[05:54] <petoix> Ok
[05:54] <petoix> kk
[05:54] <_jason> Mabus06, change the ca.archive to us.archive and try again
[05:54] <fluffyashes> _jason: the same thing happens when i type "sudo network-admin &" as happens when i try and open the network-admin from the menu... it tells me that my password is invalid and never gives me a chance to enter it
[05:54] <shadowplay> petoix: you hear anything?  or get an error?
[05:54] <petoix> korptix@korptix:~$  cat /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav | /dev/dsp
[05:54] <petoix> -bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[05:54] <petoix> korptix@korptix:~$
[05:54] <petoix> nope
[05:54] <DrZeus> czr-> it presumes that SHOULD work for 2.6.13 and beyond
[05:55] <_jason> fluffyashes, sorry, I'm getting confused.  Did you get an error when you ran 'sudo passwd -l root'?
[05:55] <Mabus06> _jason, just manually go through my sources.list and replace the 'ca's with 'us'?
[05:55] <DrZeus> czr-> or at least MAY work.  I think that's enough for me
[05:55] <czr> DrZeus, the patch should work, or that the laptop will work without the patch with newer kernels?
[05:55] <shadowplay> petoix: ok.  try this now:  ps ax | grep esd
[05:55] <fluffyashes> _jason: i did originally but i was su at the time so i exited su and tried it again and got the above result
[05:55] <shadowplay> petoix: tell me what it says
[05:55] <_jason> Mabus06, if you want to.  Or you can use gedit.  Or you can make a new one at http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:55] <jeff_> do i need to install resolvconf to use dnsmasq and ipmasq to share an internet connection from one laptop to another (laptop with connection to internet is connected to internet by wireless card and is connected to laptop2 by ethernet cards)
[05:55] <fluffyashes> _jason: if enabled the root account login breaks things, then they're broken cause i enabled it and i can't disable it cause the login screen setup won't open
[05:56] <seven> no takers on the kismet help?
[05:56] <petoix> korptix@korptix:~$ ps ax | grep esd
[05:56] <petoix>  7810 ?        SL     0:01 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[05:56] <petoix>  9808 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[05:56] <petoix>  9810 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep esd
[05:56] <Mr_aRt> alo........
[05:56] <fluffyashes> _jason: BUT it is key here that this problem occured before i enabled the root login, I did that trying to fix the problem
[05:56] <Mr_aRt> i need help about identd sever ... anyone can help me pls...................
[05:56] <Mr_aRt> i need help about identd sever ... anyone can help me pls...................
[05:56] <Madpilot> Kachingo: you probably need to run the install from source stuff on that tar.gz, then
[05:57] <_jason> fluffyashes, I'm fairly certain that you didn't enable root by checking that box.  You'd have to set a password somewhere, right?
[05:57] <shadowplay> petoix: hmm, strange you have two of them running, but ok.
[05:57] <brx> Mr_aRt: just ask your question, people might answer.
[05:57] <Kachingo> Madpilot: How would I go about doing that?
[05:57] <shadowplay> petoix: try:  sudo  cat /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav | /dev/dsp
[05:57] <_jason> fluffyashes, okay, let's step back.  gksudo used to work at some point?  does regular 'sudo' currently work?  (try 'sudo echo hi')
[05:57] <shadowplay> petoix: same as before with sudo in front
[05:57] <DrZeus> czr-> I did some research about that, and its a problem with the acpi of my laptop.  So I dont know(or at least dont know where to look at) how to check if that is fixed in the next release
[05:58] <fluffyashes> _jason: yes, gksudo used to work at some point, but at that point su and sudo didn't work
[05:58] <petoix> k
[05:58] <Mr_aRt> i like to install identd server to my server , i have "apt-get install identd"
[05:58] <Madpilot> !tell Kachingo about compile
[05:58] <_jason> fluffyashes, does sudo currently work?
[05:58] <Mr_aRt> than how to configure it ???
[05:58] <fluffyashes> _jason: my friend the unix elitist messed with a few things nad now su and sudo work
[05:58] <fluffyashes> _jason: but i have no idea what he did
[05:58] <czr> drzeud, read the changelogs of the new kernels (as I told you before)
[05:58] <czr> drzeus even
[05:58] <fluffyashes> _jason: sudo and su work perfectly
[05:58] <petoix> root@korptix:~#  sudo  cat /usr/share/sounds/shutdown.wav | /dev/dsp
[05:58] <petoix> -bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[05:58] <petoix> root@korptix:~#
[05:59] <Madpilot> fluffyashes: I recommend killing your friend :P
[05:59] <czr> drzeus, what you should do probably is try to get the patch into kernel mainline if it's not there, but I assume that the person who did the patch would try that anyway, so I wouldn't see any point of you doing the same thing
[05:59] <Kachingo> madpilot: cheers
[05:59] <czr> DrZeus, however, if the patch is distasteful (or a hack), then it will never be accepted in kernel mainline
[05:59] <Mabus06> that didn't help, _jason, I get the same errors
[05:59] <TuxOtaku> okay...i'm a total newbie to burning Video DVDs...anyone here care to help me with a problem?
[05:59] <Madpilot> Kachingo: np - I've only installed one thing from source, though, so you'll have to ask someone else for help if/when it doesn't work...
[06:00] <czr> DrZeus, then you should ask the people who control ubuntu kernel patching process whether they want to add a hack into the kernel or not, I'd imagine not
[06:00] <fluffyashes> _jason: his solution to this problem was the command "sudo xauth -f /home/ashes/.Xauthority extract /root/.Xauthority" but i was unsure of whether i wanted to do that or not so  i came here
[06:00] <_jason> Mabus06, can you pastebin the errors along with your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[06:00] <TuxOtaku> i have an mpeg-2 video...i need this on a video DVD
[06:00] <narles> i need help with managing my ipod on ubuntu.... can anyone help me figure out why my ipod won't eject properly?
[06:00] <shadowplay> petoix: ok, i'm not sure if the problem has to do with not having permission to the sound device, using the wrong driver, or having too many esd's running
[06:00] <shadowplay> petoix: last one's the easiest.   sudo killall esd
[06:01] <shadowplay> if anyone knows how to get sound working easily, please jump in... i'm going through the whole truoubleshooting thing here
[06:01] <fluffyashes> _jason: and now my x is doing that thing where it won't let me select any other windows but the one i'm presently in so i'm gonna have to restart x
[06:01] <DrZeus> czr-> I see.  Thnx for the advice.  I will be in contact with the ubuntu kernel team then, for asking that
[06:02] <fluffyashes> I have to restart x i will brb
[06:02] <DrZeus> czr-> because is a general-purpose patch.  It is not for ubuntu directly.  It was tested with gentoo, and checked that worked for other distros also
[06:02] <Mabus06> _jason, the errors are the same thing as before except with us instead of ca
[06:02] <shadowplay> petoix: ?
[06:03] <_jason> Mabus06, can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:03] <czr> DrZeus, a kernel patch is a kernel patch, but each distro is running somewhat different kernel, so it is a bit distro-related
[06:03] <Mabus06> _jason, http://pastebin.ca/36555
[06:03] <Miyomei> Okay, I'm having a load of problems.
[06:03] <czr> DrZeus, if you want I can try to find out whether the patch is in mainline, throw me the link again
[06:04] <Miyomei> First off, I'm running from the LiveCD right now. I moved my ubuntu HDD plus others to a new PC, and now it wont boot. It keeps looking for root in /dev/hda1.
[06:04] <petoix> lol
[06:04] <petoix> dont worry i got it
[06:04] <petoix> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[06:04] <shadowplay> petoix: cool!
[06:05] <narles> i need help with managing my ipod on ubuntu.... can anyone help me figure out why my ipod won't eject properly?
[06:05] <Madpilot> !sound
[06:05] <ubotu> [sound]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:05] <shadowplay> petoix: sorry for the run-around... i was going through the different possibilities.
[06:05] <petoix> lol thanx anwayz
[06:05] <wadeb> hi all, is this a good IRC channel for ubuntu application developers?
[06:06] <narles> you need to BUY crossover softwear.. wtf..
[06:06] <fluffyashes> _jason: i just logged in as root to see if it was truely enabled and yes, it is and then i tried to access the programs that i couldn't acess as a regular user and they wouldn't even open
[06:06] <Miyomei> Along with not being able to boot into my Ubuntu install, I want to shrink the partition, but it wont even let me do it from the LiveCD.
[06:06] <blink56k> back...just a clarification...when i boot from the grub live cd, i dont get the usual choose your os splashscreen, i just get a grub prompt...when i type root (sda1,1) i get error 23 error parsing numbers...that or device string not recognized
[06:06] <vskye> Miyomei - edit you're fstab to reflect the new /dev/hd??
[06:06] <_jason> fluffyashes, I wonder if you can disable root while logged in as root lol
[06:07] <Miyomei> vskye - How would I go agout doing that? I mean, the command?
[06:07] <shadowplay> petoix: one quick thing to try is to go back to the volume control -> file ->change device;  and choose whichever one's not selected. but follow the howto first.
[06:07] <fluffyashes> _jason: i'm back with my regular user now
[06:07] <fluffyashes> _jason: now those programs won't even open
[06:07] <petoix> k
[06:07] <fluffyashes> _jason: i mean the programs which require root privledges
[06:08] <petoix> but sound still isnt working
[06:08] <petoix> do i have to reboot ?
[06:08] <seven> /orinoco/orinoco-0.15rc2/hermes.h:400: warning: passing arg 1 of `readw' makes pointer from integer without a cast
[06:08] <seven>   <-- this is where my errors start
[06:08] <_jason> fluffyashes, 'gksudo network-admin' fails without any errors?  I don't really know what else to suggest other than disabling the root account
[06:08] <sudharsh> did i miis somethin
[06:08] <vskye> Miyomei - try a emergency boot, (can't recall) and the location of you're boot hd, ala /dev/hda1 or whatever and then after boot edit /etc/fstab
[06:09] <TuxOtaku> so, yeah....how do i use k3b to burn a video DVD from an mpeg
[06:09] <fluffyashes> _jason: AHHA!! it says something now...an error... gksudo: error while loading shared libraries: libgksuui1.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:10] <Miyomei> Alright. Also, how do I shrink the partition size of my Linux partiton?
[06:10] <blink56k> what do i type into a grub command prompt to boot a certain partition...note, im not talking about the choose your os splashscreen, but "grub> _  "
[06:10] <vskye> Miyomei - sorry for the total lack of details, but I just converted from SuSE a month or so ago.
[06:10] <_jason> Mabus06, have you been messing with the gpg keys for the repos?
[06:10] <Miyomei> vskye - Better than I am; this is only my third day of Linux from XP. ;p
[06:10] <vskye> Miyomei - ;)
[06:10] <czr> blink56k, just type grub commands that you would have in the grub config for that partition
[06:10] <sudharsh> Miyomei whats ur problem?
[06:11] <Mabus06> _jason, yes, as the source-o-matic page said to... maybe I did it wrong?
[06:11] <czr> blink56k, the commands that are in menu.lst are exactly the ones that you can type in
[06:11] <Miyomei> Repost: "First off, I'm running from the LiveCD right now. I moved my ubuntu HDD plus others to a new PC, and now it wont boot. It keeps looking for root in /dev/hda1."
[06:11] <blink56k> where do i find menu. lst
[06:11] <Miyomei> Repost: "Along with not being able to boot into my Ubuntu install, I want to shrink the partition, but it wont even let me do it from the LiveCD."
[06:11] <sudharsh> blink56k check in /boot/grub
[06:11] <czr> blink56k, on any linux installation that boots with grub in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:11] <Miyomei> Those are the problems I'm having, but vskye helped me out a bit with the first.
[06:12] <sudharsh> k...
[06:12] <vskye> Miyomei - if you can, try putting the drives back in the same order as they were on the old computer.
[06:12] <narles> i need help with managing my ipod on ubuntu.... can anyone help me figure out why my ipod won't eject properly?
[06:12] <_jason> Mabus06, back up your current sources and make a new vanilla one with just the essential stuff, main, updates etc..  Let's see if we can work on that
[06:12] <Miyomei> vskye - The case layout is physically different, so I'm not able to.
[06:12] <blink56k> ok found it
[06:13] <blink56k> so to boot into any partition i type root (hd0,1) for example?
[06:13] <czr> blink56k, not really, root doesn't 'boot' :-)
[06:13] <_jason> fluffyashes, try reinstalling the 'libgksuui1.0-0' package
[06:13] <czr> blink56k, root sets the default partition for grub from which it will look for files
[06:13] <czr> blink56k, like kernel and such, but yes, start with root (hd0,1), then continue with kernel and initrd (if you have one)
[06:13] <Miyomei> And, it would let me alter the partition on my Linux HDD if 'extended' and 'linux-swap' weren't mounted, but I don't know how to unmount them.
[06:14] <sudharsh> Miyomei try mount....
[06:14] <czr> blink56k, then as a last command, execute boot (if grub let's you proceed to that stage, it will display errors if any of your commands are really wrong/bad ones)
[06:14] <sudharsh> it'l tell u the current state o affairs
[06:14] <fluffyashes> _jason: it says that libgksuui1.0-1 is not installable
[06:14] <sudharsh> fluffyashes do a apt-get update
[06:14] <Mabus06> _jason, my 'vanilla' sources.list : http://pastebin.ca/36556
[06:14] <vskye> Miyomei - been there, done that! So, hda1 would be the first partition on (C:) and hda2 would be the second parition, etc.
[06:15] <sudharsh> and 'a' means primary master
[06:15] <blink56k> well the thing is, im planning to reinstall windows from a 2nd partition onto the 1st and it succeeds...except when i restart the machine to boot into the new windows environment, grub rears its ugly head to say it's broken...so what what i did was create a grub CD that i can use when grub breaks after the windows reinstallation
[06:15] <Miyomei> Right. But now my Linux drive is hdb1.
[06:15] <czr> vskye, hda1 is the first partition on the ide drive that is in the primary IDE bus as master
[06:15] <_jason> Mabus06, I'm guessing that still gives you errors?  I'm gonna search since I haven't seen this before
[06:15] <Miyomei> But it's still looking in hda1 for root.
[06:15] <czr> vskye, so it really depends on how you have cabled your drives in your new host
[06:15] <Mabus06> _jason, and the errors I get : http://pastebin.ca/36557
[06:16] <sudharsh> u goota change fstab
[06:16] <blink56k> czr: kernel, initrd?
[06:16] <Miyomei> But I can't get into the system to change it.
[06:16] <czr> blink56k, yes. those normally come after a 'title' line
[06:16] <Miyomei> Unless I mount hda1, I guess, but I don't know how.
[06:16] <sudharsh> Miyomei use the live cd
[06:16] <Miyomei> I'm on it right now. ;p
[06:16] <needhelp> is there any similar msn messenger for linux?
[06:16] <sudharsh> needhelp gaim
[06:16] <sudharsh> and kopete if usin kde
[06:16] <czr> gaim is quite ok, kopete for kde
[06:17] <needhelp> can I use webcam ?
[06:17] <DACRepair> Miyomei, do this MOUNT /dev/hda1 /mnt -t
[06:17] <DACRepair> wait
[06:17] <vskye> Miyomei - So why not just as swap the ide cables?  Just to get the thing to boot and change the reference from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdb1?
[06:17] <czr> most webcams don't support linux
[06:17] <sudharsh> in the new gaim beta
[06:17] <blink56k> ok, so what are the exact commands i would type to boot into a certain partition?
[06:17] <sudharsh> czr thers somethin called spca5xx
[06:17] <Locke> how can i save everything in a floppy as an image?
[06:17] <_jason> Mabus06, drop the ca, just make everything from ca.archive to archive.  The ca.archive times out for me too
[06:17] <needhelp> what about amsn?
[06:17] <sudharsh> drivers for the cheap china ones
[06:17] <DACRepair> Miyomei, after -t do the filesystem fat32=vfat ntfs=ntfs
[06:17] <fluffyashes> _jason: it gives me errors detailed here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6984
[06:18] <czr> sudharsh, wouldn't know, I just know that most webcams are done on a very low budget (crap hardware) and no specs released. so it would depend on the webcam
[06:18] <sudharsh> needhelp: gaim supports all protocols
[06:18] <docta_v> sudharsh: everything but skype at least
[06:18] <sudharsh> czr: yup i googled for 2 weeks and found the drivers in a blg
[06:18] <hillbilly> Is it possible to loginto gaim in invisible mode ?
[06:18] <czr> blg?
[06:18] <sudharsh> docta_v: oh yeah :)
[06:18] <sudharsh> hillbilly yes
[06:19] <hillbilly> oh how ?
[06:19] <Mabus06> _jason,  ok
[06:19] <hillbilly> everytime i login, i have to manually change my state to invisible !
[06:19] <needhelp> how come when i dod lususb my webcam is detected
[06:19] <needhelp> I wonder how..
[06:19] <needhelp> Because in all my other distro i couldnt be able to detect it
[06:19] <nemik> where does ubuntu put openssl libraries and such?
[06:20] <Mabus06> _jason, seems to work... :/
[06:20] <czr> nemik, like all other distros, /usr/lib/
[06:20] <Mabus06> What's wrong with the canadian mirror?
[06:20] <sudharsh> needhelp: what does lsusb say
[06:20] <sudharsh> vimicro...?
[06:20] <nemik> thanks czr
[06:20] <czr> nemik, that's the path for non-critical ones (not critical in booting). critical ones go under /lib. man hier for more info
[06:20] <needhelp> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 043e:8585 LG Electronics USA, Inc. LPC-UC35 Webcam
[06:20] <Locke> how can i save everything in a floppy as an image?
[06:20] <czr> locke, yes
[06:20] <_jason> fluffyashes, interesting since I can't find that package either...
[06:20] <czr> locke, cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/image.blah
[06:21] <czr> locke, restoring a floppy would be the same, but just reverse the arguments to cp
[06:21] <fluffyashes> well i have a .deb package of it
[06:21] <sudharsh> needhelp: does lg provide the webcam drivers
[06:21] <nemik> czr, synaptic says i have it but it is not there, need it for doing a wpa_supplicant make
[06:21] <czr> locke, assuming it is either 720k or 1440kB
[06:21] <needhelp> noop
[06:21] <Locke> czr: i just use dd
[06:21] <needhelp> that I know
[06:21] <sudharsh> else do a 'apt-get install camorama'
[06:21] <czr> locke, same effect, cp is shorter :-)
[06:22] <czr> nemik, hmmh. which ubuntu version?
[06:22] <fluffyashes> _jason: i have a .deb package of libgksuui from ubuntu... but when i try and install it get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6985
[06:22] <nemik> breezy 5.10, basic desktop install
[06:22] <Miyomei> DACRepair: That's not working.
[06:22] <Miyomei> I'm using 'sudo  mount dev/hda1 /mnt -t filesystem fat32=vfat ntfs=ntfs
[06:22] <Miyomei> '
[06:22] <Miyomei> I should mention that I'm trying to mount my Ubuntu partition. ;p
[06:22] <czr> nemik, dpkg -L libssl0.9.7 | grep .so
[06:23] <sudharsh> Miyomei: use the live cd and change the fstab entries
[06:23] <nemik> thanks
[06:23] <czr> nemik, that is a list of all library files that come with package libssl0.9.7 which should contain the stuff
[06:23] <_jason> fluffyashes, what does 'apt-cache policy libgksuui1.0-0' say
[06:23] <Miyomei> sudharsh: I can't get to fstab if it's on the partition that I can't mount.
[06:23] <nemik> czr, great! i'll give it a shot, i may need to apt-get the libopenssl then
[06:23] <czr> libssl0.9.7 :-)
[06:23] <nemik> ahhh ok
[06:23] <czr> synaptic should pull that for you though automatically
[06:24] <sudharsh> Miyomei: so u r etering the commands from the live cd
[06:24] <czr> if the package dependencies were coded correctly in the package that you're installing
[06:24] <Miyomei> Yes, I'm on it right now.
[06:24] <czr> and if your system isn't borken because of some other reason (playing with unstable repositories, etc)
[06:24] <fluffyashes> _jason: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6986
[06:24] <sudharsh> what other os do u hav
[06:24] <nemik> czr...yea....about that. i hope not
[06:24] <czr> nemik, good luck :-)
[06:25] <sudharsh> if u hav Winblo$...
[06:25] <Miyomei> sudharsh: I have a broken XP installation. Can't boot it.
[06:25] <nemik> zcr, thanks and thanks for the suggestions!
[06:25] <sudharsh> d/l explore2fs
[06:25] <_jason> fluffyashes, I don't know D:  try again in a few minutes, sorry
[06:25] <czr> nemik, wait a moment. did you say 'wpa_supplicant make'?
[06:25] <wckdkl0wn> how do i update my repositories?
[06:25] <sudharsh> Miyomei: gr8...:(
[06:25] <sudharsh> wckdkl0wn apt-get update
[06:25] <czr> nemik, you're building some software with make, or what are you doing exactly?
[06:25] <sudharsh> dont forget sudo
[06:25] <nemik> czr, yes, trying to do a make for it for the latest version
[06:25] <fluffyashes> _jason: gah ok thanks for trying
[06:25] <czr> nemik, ach. stupid me :-)
[06:26] <czr> nemik, libssl0.9.7 contains the binary library files only. not the ones that you need for 'development' (like when you're building software that will use the library)
[06:26] <nemik> ahhh that's what i thought
[06:26] <czr> nemik, libssl-dev is the package that includes the rest stuff
[06:26] <wckdkl0wn> ok now how do i download kde?
[06:26] <czr> so install that, then do a configure blah blah and make
[06:26] <nemik> czr, excellent, off to synaptic for that!
[06:27] <czr> nemik, or just write 'sudo apt-get install libssl-dev' on the command line
[06:27] <czr> since that's where you are running make anyway :-)
[06:27] <nemik> yea i know, that's what i meant! ;)
[06:27] <_jason> I have no sound when I play a .wmv in totem-xine (I have tried a random avi as well and the problem persists).  However, mp3's will produce sound just fine.  The movies play fine in mplayer.  This just started happening, it was working fine before.  xine-ui behaves the same way.  Any ideas?
[06:27] <czr> synaptic is just a fancy graphical front-end for apt :-)
[06:27] <nemik> oh i know
[06:27] <czr> good good
[06:27] <sudharsh> _jason installed w32codecs?
[06:27] <_jason> sudharsh, yep
[06:28] <sudharsh> check the multmiedia syatems selectors
[06:28] <brad_teenbot> can anyone tell me how to download sound on here so i can have sound?
[06:28] <_jason> sudharsh, I'm using alsa, but i've tried selecting oss and still get nothing.  Should I try something else?
[06:28] <sudharsh> try esd
[06:29] <brad_teenbot> what do i type in the terminal to get sound?
[06:29] <sudharsh> dont forgt to revert to alsa if not workin
[06:29] <_jason> sudharsh, I removed that nasty thing a long time ago :)
[06:29] <sudharsh> esd?
[06:29] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install kde?
[06:29] <brad_teenbot> what do i type in the terminal to get sound?
[06:29] <_jason> sudharsh, I'll try it just to troubleshoot if I can't figure it out.  Yeah, esd
[06:29] <regeya> apt-get install kde
[06:29] <Miyomei> On boot, can I change where Grub looks for a root folder?
[06:29] <regeya> schnikes
[06:29] <sudharsh> wckdkl0wn: sudo apt-get install kubunu-desktop
[06:29] <brad_teenbot> i totally forgot its been awhile since ive ran linux
[06:30] <wckdkl0wn> ty
[06:30] <nemik> czr, thanks so much, got it perfectly now!
[06:30] <_jason> wckdkl0wn, remember to spell 'kubuntu' correctly though
[06:30] <regeya> brad_teenbot,
[06:30] <sudharsh> _jason: i had that prob yesterday
[06:30] <brad_teenbot> yes
[06:30] <sudharsh> rebooting worked
[06:30] <brad_teenbot> what do i type in the terminal to get sound?
[06:30] <wckdkl0wn> sudharsh, E: Couldn't find package kubunu-desktop
[06:30] <sudharsh> sry...thsat was kubuntu
[06:30] <nemik> czr, my damn university wireless still won't work, but at least i know its not an old version of wpa_config!
[06:30] <brad_teenbot> regeya, what do i type in the terminal to get sound?
[06:30] <regeya> /usr/sbin/gimme_sound_okplsthx
[06:30] <needhelp> Where can I download pyxmms?
[06:31] <_jason> sudharsh, yep tried rebooting
[06:31] <sudharsh> needhelp synaptic...
[06:31] <sudharsh> chek the preferences in xine...wait i'll go with u
[06:31] <needhelp> is pyxmms as pyxmms-remote?
[06:31] <wckdkl0wn> sudharsh, nvm got it
[06:31] <borisattva> someone here recommended me a package to install that keeps track of all my non repository installs and allows them to be removed via synaptics or whatever in the futur, like add/remove in windows. does anyone know the name of that application?
[06:32] <_jason> sudharsh, wait... wtf it's working right now hold on
[06:32] <sudharsh> ok k
[06:32] <needhelp> is pyxmms as pyxmms-remote?
[06:32] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install the latest version of xchat?
[06:32] <sudharsh> pyxmms....why would u wnat that...
[06:32] <sudharsh> ..update the repos
[06:33] <sudharsh> and u r rokin
[06:33] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or
[06:33] <shadowplay>                http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:33] <needhelp> sudharsh because a gadget from gdesklets needs this dependecy
[06:33] <blink56k> czr: good news...i successfully booted manually from the grub. prompt...if i wanted to boot from a windows partition would root (hd0,1) save deafult makeactive boot suffice?
[06:33] <needhelp> and that may be the reason why is not working
[06:33] <sudharsh> ok...try pyxmms then
[06:33] <regeya> I was bout to suggest that brad_teenbot go read some docs
[06:33] <borisattva> anyone?
[06:34] <czr> blink56k, not sure. better check the nice grub documentation on the web for that
[06:34] <needhelp> in my synaptic I only have pyxmms-remote :(
[06:34] <brad_teenbot> where do i read docs?
[06:34] <needhelp> should i install that one?
[06:34] <regeya> borisattva, you mean things installed from source?  checkinstall then.  if oyu mean .deb files then you need nothing
[06:34] <sudharsh> needhelp wait...i''ll check mine
[06:34] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: scroll up
[06:34] <regeya> whee
[06:35] <needhelp> sure
[06:35] <regeya> the frontal lobotomy patient linux users group pays #ubuntu a visit...
[06:35] <_jason> sudharsh, hrmm ok strange, here is what I have found: double click on a file to load totem will crash totem immediately.  However running totem from the command line works fine.  Still some files that had sound before aren't playing with sound.  But not every wmv is not working.
[06:35] <sudharsh> needhelp: lol...my sources are gone..
[06:35] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install the latest version of xchat?
[06:35] <needhelp> lloool
[06:35] <borisattva> reg: no it was some particular package, that once you install keeps track of all your non repository installed apps. so that you dont need to remember them and have them all listed in one area if you ever want to look forsomething to clen aup.. just like the add/remove programs in windows. i installed it before but since then had to completely reinstall the system and now cant remember the pacakge name
[06:36] <sudharsh> does it crash xine 2
[06:36] <borisattva> someone in this chat room sugested it
[06:36] <dargaard_> i have a quick question, how do i stop X from loading at start up? the runlevels are not what i expected here.
[06:36] <needhelp> the thing is i cannot make a gadget work, and I was reading about this gadget and it uses pyxmms
[06:36] <_jason> sudharsh, yep without an error message
[06:36] <sudharsh> k then try ptxmms-remote
[06:36] <regeya> borisattva, no idea.  guess I haven't had to worry about it too much.
[06:36] <sudharsh> vow,,,
[06:37] <_jason> sudharsh, but plays fine from command line...
[06:37] <sudharsh> k now open up xine
[06:37] <_jason> sudharsh, done
[06:37] <sudharsh> u wouldnt that would u :)
[06:37] <seven> can someone help me install and configure the wlan_ng in ubuntu? (learned i don't need to use the orinoco drivers for kismet)
[06:37] <brad_teenbot> thanks guys for trying to help me but now i have to call a freind because i cannot figure it out
[06:37] <sudharsh> bring up the settings
[06:38] <seven> i dl'd wlan_ng with apt-get but after i dl it and reboot my card quits working
[06:38] <needhelp> so sudharsh what can u suggest me to do?
[06:38] <narles> i need help with managing my ipod on ubuntu.... can anyone help me figure out why my ipod won't eject properly?
[06:38] <borisattva> oh well. thanks anyway
[06:38] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: what exactly are you trying to do?
[06:38] <sudharsh> install pyxmms and try if works
[06:38] <sudharsh> i m o a dialup so it takes time to d/l stuff
[06:38] <seven> is this chan moserated?
[06:38] <seven> moderated?
[06:38] <_jason> seven, yes
[06:39] <_jason> sudharsh, i'm in settings
[06:39] <seven> k, was wondering if anyone seen my posts
[06:39] <rvirani> what package do I need to develop on c++
[06:39] <rvirani> I installed g++ but my stuff doesnt run
[06:39] <needhelp> nicee it worked
[06:39] <needhelp> :)
[06:40] <shadowplay> rvirani: doesn't run or doesn't compile?
[06:40] <sudharsh> enable 'master of the universe thingy'
[06:40] <regeya> borisattva, as I say, with debs I don't worry a great deal, and with source package I go through the ./configure && make && checkinstall three-step.  I'd be interested to know 1.) what the app is and 2.) the advantages
[06:40] <_jason> sudharsh, yep did that
[06:40] <sudharsh> scroll to audio
[06:40] <narles> can anyone tell me  how i can unmount my ipod properly?
[06:40] <_jason> sudharsh, ok
[06:41] <sudharsh> what hav u got in audio driver
[06:41] <_jason> sudharsh, alsa
[06:41] <sudharsh> set it 2 auto
[06:42] <_jason> sudharsh, same thing
[06:42] <sudharsh> no sound still??
[06:42] <sudharsh> i think u gotta restart to make the changes
[06:42] <sudharsh> i mean xine
[06:43] <_jason> sudharsh, yeah I did.  I mean it still crashes when I try to load from nautilus
[06:43] <sudharsh> k lets do dat again :D
[06:44] <sudharsh> r u tryin to open xine or totem?
[06:44] <_jason> sudharsh, tried both
[06:44] <_jason> sudharsh, I don't even use xine, I was trying to see if I could get to the root of the problem
[06:44] <sudharsh> oh...........
[06:45] <nofear> !dvd
[06:45] <nofear> !upgrade
[06:45] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:45] <sudharsh> try updating 2 a newrr version helps
[06:46] <sudharsh> does totm work for other users
[06:46] <_jason> sudharsh, okay, I'll try that if I can't think of something else.  I just don't comprehend how it suddenly stops working
[06:46] <Madpilot> sudharsh: totem? totem-xine works for me, totem-gstreamer doesn't
[06:47] <sudharsh> totem-gstreemer is a dummer
[06:47] <seven> once i apt-get wlan_ng is there something in a .conf file i have to do to enable it?
[06:47] <brad_teenbot> yeah im just trying to get the sound to work on here
[06:48] <brad_teenbot> my freind said that i had to do something with the terminal and it will download or something
[06:49] <brad_teenbot> any suggestions?
[06:49] <needhelp> how can I check if my webcam works?
[06:50] <matthew_w> Hey - is ca.archive.ubuntu.com down?  Because.. I can't get anything from synaptic except 404 errors, and it happened for literally no reason.
[06:50] <Psi-Jack> Hey, I have two sound cards, and I want to configure devfs to make my SB PCI512 as /dev/dsp, and my on-board VIA to use /dev/dsp1, how would I do that?
[06:50] <_TomB> does the Breezy LiveCD have support for bluetooth on it?
[06:51] <Madpilot> matthew_w: yeah, ca.archive seems to be down for me too
[06:51] <matthew_w> Madpil; ok good, thought I f*d something. :)
[06:51] <matthew_w> Nite.
[06:51] <needhelp> how can I check if my webcam works?
[06:51] <czr> _TomB, bluez should be there, but gnome doesn't have bt support, so you'd have to rely on application support for bt
[06:52] <_TomB> I just wanted to know if the kernel modules were in it
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> Can anyone help me with that?
[06:52] <czr> psi-jack, ubuntu doesn't use devfs, second, you have to config alsa to do that (best way to reorder the cards)
[06:52] <_TomB> I'm remastering the LiveCD, and didn't know if I may have removed support by mistakes or something
[06:52] <brad_teenbot> what command do i type in the terminal for the sound to start downloading?
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> czr: I'm looking at it. It's using devfs...
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> But..
[06:53] <arrinmurr> needhelp: with camorama, vlc, gnomemeeting, kopete, motion or something
[06:53] <czr> psi-jack, which ubuntu would that be?
[06:53] <brad_teenbot> and also how do i log in on the terminal?
[06:53] <needhelp> thanx
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> czr: Kubuntu, actually. But, you suggest reordering in Alsa.. How do I do that then?
[06:53] <needhelp> Do you know how can I install a software that I download
[06:53] <czr> psi-jack, grep devfs /proc/mounts give you what?
[06:53] <needhelp> its amsn_0.95.-3.ubuntu.deb
[06:53] <Psi-Jack> czr: Hmm, nothing..
[06:53] <czr> psi-jack, you'd have to setup an asound.conf (I think, never needed to do that, I just tell each program which card to use)
[06:53] <czr> psi-jack so it's not using devfs
[06:54] <Psi-Jack> Gotcha.
[06:54] <czr> psi-jack, maybe you confuse devfs with udev
[06:54] <Psi-Jack> I just saw it.. I thought itwas used. :)
[06:54] <czr> most modern distros use udev since devfs is not supported anyway
[06:54] <czr> and kernel dropped devfs anyhow
[06:54] <Psi-Jack> czr: Where's asound.conf? Or.. Better, how to make/configure it?
[06:55] <gil-> i need help with flash in firefox, i cant see the text
[06:55] <czr> psi-jack, you'd have to check the alsa site for that I think. as I said, I've never needed it for anything
[06:55] <Psi-Jack> czr: Wow.. Why did Linux drop devfs?
[06:55] <arrinmurr> needhelp: but before you do, you should be aware that there's a big probability that when you try to access your webcam, your computer will lock up. if it happens, you should read thishttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75284
[06:55] <czr> psi-jack, because it was a wrong solution to the problem. hotplug (kernel-space) and udev (user-space) is the right solution to the problem
[06:55] <needhelp> ok
[06:55] <needhelp> so how could I install
[06:55] <czr> psi-jack, and Linus didn't like devfs ;-)
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[06:56] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: you mean how to log into a console?
[06:56] <arrinmurr> needhelp: dpkg -i amsn_0.95.-3.ubuntu.deb
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> That's messed up. devfs was an excelent idea..
[06:56] <shadowplay> oh well
[06:56] <czr> psi-jack, idea maybe. implementation not.
[06:56] <needhelp> is dpkg the command to install?
[06:56] <czr> psi-jack, the problem was that devfs forces a naming system for your devices. udev let's you (sys admin) to configure them
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> czr: Right. The implementation was bad.
[06:56] <needhelp> its nice to learn something new
[06:56] <arrinmurr> needhelp: or more precisely: sudo dpkg -i amsn_0.95.-3.ubuntu.deb
[06:57] <czr> Psi-Jack, and udev allows you to do all kinds of other neat stuff as well (run scripts when specific devices are inserted to system, or leave the system, etc)
[06:57] <gil-> i need help with flash in firefox, i cant see the text
[06:57] <arrinmurr> needhelp: dpkg -i  is
[06:57] <shadowplay> is there a way to do a history search in irssi (search up the scroll-log)
[06:57] <czr> psi-jack, udev has it's problem as well though, but I rather not get into that now :-). devfs is dead. long live udev.
[06:57] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[06:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> shadowplay: hit 'page up'
[06:58] <arrinmurr> needhelp: you should always try to find software in the ubuntu repositories first though
[06:58] <shadowplay> PuMpErNiCkLe: yeah, i mean to do a *search* like in less/vim/emacs ...
[06:58] <needhelp> how can I search?
[06:58] <needhelp> in the respostories?
[06:58] <needhelp> and when does synaptic gets upgraded?
[06:58] <shadowplay> needhelp: run synaptic (in the gui) or aptitude (console)
[06:58] <czr> psi-jack, if you fail to do the alsaconf, you might try to config udevd instead, but that would be a bit wrong place to do it (alsa would see the cards in different order from oss-applications)
[06:59] <needhelp> yeah the version its in synaptic its version 0.94
[06:59] <arrinmurr> needhelp: apt-cache search something
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> czr: Right. I'm looking how to do it in Alsa... But not getting much luck
[06:59] <czr> psi-jack, can I ask you why you need to reverse their order?
[06:59] <ice_1963> or apt-cache search
[06:59] <czr> psi-jack, yeah. alsa docs can be pita ;-)
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> czr: My VIA sound chipset is being made primary.. It's not the primary one I want to have. The SB PCI512 is. I'm only using the VIA one for my phone through Skype.
[07:00] <czr> psi-jack, normally that should be a problem since most programs allow you to set which sound device they should use. that's why I ask
[07:01] <czr> psi-jack, give me a sec, I'll have a quick look see if I find a nice solution for you. if none will magically appear, you have some alsa learning to do :-)
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> czr: Yes. I've tried to, for KDE, set arts to use /dev/dsp1, and it's not working for some reason.. But, I still want /dev/dsp to be the "primary".
[07:01] <czr>  /dev/dsp* is OSS interface anyway
[07:01] <Psi-Jack> czr: I appreciate it. I've been out of he loop for Linux for a couple years... Kinda .. Well, pretty rusty.
[07:01] <czr> you should really try to see whether programs allow you to use the ALSA interface
[07:01] <foxiness> hi , the synaptic clean the index every week or less can i stop this ,i hate to download it every time
[07:02] <Psi-Jack> czr: Skype only uses OSS..\
[07:02] <czr> since the OSS in ubuntu is really an ALSA emulation layer for legacy applications
[07:02] <czr> yeah, I figured that
[07:02] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[07:02] <czr> but esd should be able to use alsa directly
[07:02] <Psi-Jack> And it really corrupts the sound. Baaaaad problems.
[07:02] <narles> anyone know where i can find gtkpod-aac.. can't find it in universal and multiversal repositories
[07:02] <czr> and most other non-braindead-software (depends on how lazy the programmers were really)
[07:02] <czr> but then again, you have VIA, what did you expect? ;-)
[07:03] <czr> VIA support in alsa is somewhat lacking since it has so many bugs (the hardware)
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> czr: Yes.. But it works reliably, this one. :)
[07:03] <czr> no it doesn't. it just seems to do ;-)
[07:03] <d33t> samba question: i recently set up samba on a machine where some areas are public, other require a login. when i try to get to the restricted areas from a windows box, the username defaults to "Guest". is there a setting on the server that will allow me to enter a login name every time?
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> czr: Works good enough for phone usage. :)
[07:04] <d33t> i have done a ton of tutorials and googeld a bit, but i couldn't fix it. don't even know if i can
[07:04] <d33t> haven't hit the forums much though....
[07:04] <czr> psi-jack, try reading this http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=.asoundrc
[07:04] <czr> it explains what are the configurable bits in alsa
[07:05] <Remmy> Hi all... my system fails to boot properly... it jibbers out at /etc/init.d/rc... I think because it is looking for /dev/initramfs/progress_state which does not exist. How would I go about fixing this problem?
[07:06] <brad_teenbot> Can ayone please help me with this im trying to get sound working because i have just downloaded linux back onto my computer, what comman (or commands) do i type in the terminal to downlaod the sound config or whatever it is
[07:06] <regeya> oh dear me.
[07:06] <czr> Psi-Jack, now that I'm thinking, editing modules.conf might be a best solution
[07:06] <Toma-> brad_teenbot: youre using ubuntu?
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> czr: Hmm?
[07:07] <czr> Psi-Jack, that way we'd tell the alsa drivers which card index to use for each driver, you have two separate kinds of sound cards, right?
[07:07] <brad_teenbot> Toma, yes
[07:07] <czr> Psi-Jack, is priv msg ok?
[07:07] <czr> (are you identified to freenode)
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> czr: Yes, and sure.
[07:07] <czr> ok, let's continue there
[07:07] <d33t> hrm, a bit late for samba help then?
[07:08] <Toma-> brad_teenbot: what sound card? why are you in a terminal? can you get xmms to make a sound at all? if not, whats it saying?
[07:08] <brad_teenbot> its not saying anything i have no sound because i guess it isnt intalled or anything
[07:08] <shad0w1e> is there really a performance decrease with ext3 versus ext2 (im talking about a very slow machine)
[07:09] <Madpilot> brad_teenbot: no system sounds at all?
[07:09] <czr> shad0w1e, define performance
[07:09] <czr> shad0w1e, ext3 adds journalling, so that's normally why people use it over ext2
[07:09] <d33t> shad0w1e: i'm no expert, but from what i've recently read, yes. ext2 doesn't keep a log, so it shoudl use less overhead
[07:09] <shad0w1e> hard drive taking longer...
[07:09] <narles> has anyone tried the command sudo dosfsck -a /dev/sda2??
[07:09] <shad0w1e> how do I check the clock speed of a box?
[07:09] <czr> shad0w1e, ext3 on the same hard ware in the same location where you have ext2 before?
[07:09] <brad_teenbot> when i click on the speaker in the upper right hand corner it sais "no volume control or elements/ or no soundcard found "
[07:10] <d33t> shad0w1e: fallback is, you can lose info if the machine dies in mid write
[07:10] <shad0w1e> then I'll at least know what I'm dealing with
[07:10] <czr> shad0w1e, cpu clock? or which clock?
[07:10] <shad0w1e> CPU
[07:10] <Madpilot> brad_teenbot: do you have a soundcard or on-board?
[07:10] <czr> shad0w1e, cat /proc/cpuinfo will give current information about all logical CPUs
[07:10] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: double-click the speaker .. it'll open the volume control
[07:11] <czr> shad0w1e, current speed = if you use throttling/speedstep, CPU MHz will show you the speed at that moment.
[07:11] <shad0w1e> OK This is a Cyrix MII 300 (225 Mhz) with 64 RAM
[07:11] <d33t> shad0w1e: there's a way to turn off journalling on an ext3 partition, which will make it run as an ext2 partition. you can play with that if you want to test it
[07:11] <shad0w1e> scary
[07:11] <shad0w1e> heh
[07:11] <czr> shad0w1e, but cpuinfo contains other useful stuff like vendor id for processors, which normally have proper speeds hard-coded anyway
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> czr: Did you get my PMs?
[07:11] <czr> Psi-Jack, don't think so
[07:11] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, odd.
[07:11] <czr> I got only one :-)
[07:11] <foxiness> hi,is there applications to see where my space going "/usr 1 gb /Desktop 3gb etc"
[07:12] <brad_teenbot> Shadow play,  thats what i dd and it said "no voulume control elements and/or devices found"
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> czr: Did you get the Testing? :)
[07:12] <czr> yes
[07:12] <czr> replied even
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[07:12] <d33t> foxiness: df
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> I'm getting.. Nothing.
[07:12] <shad0w1e> I dont think I should bother with ext3 on this old machine,...
[07:12] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: it didn't even open?  if it *is* open try file --> change device
[07:12] <theconartist> what is a good up-to-date repo, with for example, firefox 1.5?
[07:12] <theconartist> :o
[07:12] <czr> hmm. ok, let's try again, seems I didn't register after netsplits :--)
[07:12] <d33t> foxiness: you can use 'df -h' to see it in "human" readable format
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> czr: Hehehe
[07:13] <foxiness> d33t, i want something like du but GUI one
[07:13] <d33t> foxiness: that what you wanted?
[07:13] <d33t> ah
[07:13] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: you can also go to a terminal and look at dmesg | less
[07:13] <theconartist> anyone?
[07:13] <d33t> you using kde or gnome?
[07:13] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: to see if it found anything like a soundcard when booting
[07:14] <foxiness> d33t, ubuntu :) gnome
[07:14] <d33t> heh, well, i have a nice app on kubuntu, but it's written for kde
[07:14] <brad_teenbot> do i just type in dmesg in the terminal?
[07:14] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: dmesg | less
[07:14] <foxiness> d33t, man i dont like kde
[07:15] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: space will scroll, 'q' will quit, '?' gives keystroke help
[07:15] <foxiness> d33t, i hate everthing start by K on my life
[07:15] <d33t> i'm not partial to either, i'm more of a minimalist guy, but kde works well on the desktop, gnome on the laptop......
[07:15] <d33t> you search synaptic?
[07:15] <foxiness> yes
[07:16] <foxiness> no
[07:16] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: brb
[07:16] <foxiness> it download my index -every day job-
[07:16] <foxiness> but i do it on gnomefiles.org
[07:16] <holycow> hey guys, if i want to start a service when a server boots i just haveto symlink to it in rcS.d correct?
[07:16] <Madpilot> foxiness: for getting more file/directory size info, try Baobab
[07:17] <foxiness> and i found this http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1084
[07:17] <holycow> how come the last 2 symlinks i put in rcS.d are now in rc3.d?  if i want to delete those i remove them from rc3.d and recreate new links in rcS.d (the startup scripts are new anyway) ?
[07:17] <derekS> why do i have an entry in my /etc/init.d called bittorrent?
[07:18] <foxiness> Madpilot, ok ,thank you for late me know about it , i will try it
[07:18] <d33t> foxiness: well, i have kdirstat on my kde install, don't use anything on gnome
[07:19] <theconartist> ubotu, dapper
[07:19] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. It's going to be released on April 20, 2006. Not before. Use at your _own_ risk before the release date.
[07:19] <foxiness> d33t, me to :) , but i hope for this day when we live togther
[07:20] <shadowplay> brad_teenbot: find anything?