[00:21] <veebers> scratch that,  it seems that stopping unity8 while any application is active seems to throw a spanner in the works
[07:05] <Saviq> veebers, yeah, sometimes crash, sometimes hang?
[07:05] <tvoss_> Saviq, good morning
[07:05] <Saviq> tvoss_, yo
[07:06] <tvoss_> Saviq, hey, as you recently looked into it: do you know how to enable gdb pretty printers?
[07:06] <Saviq> tvoss_, nope
[07:08] <veebers> Saviq: yeah, I added code tp that MR to handle it (make sure OSK is gone when stopping unity8, and then start it again when needed)
[07:08] <Saviq> veebers, k thanks
[07:08] <veebers> Saviq: nw, do you know if anyone is working on a fix for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1238417 ?
[07:10] <veebers> Saviq: also fyi you'll see that MR is 'needs review'
[07:13] <Saviq> veebers, I don't think anyone is, since we have a workaround...
[07:15] <tvoss_> veebers, the clean fix would be to also fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1237784
[07:16] <tvoss_> veebers, right now, mir uses the android input stack as is, which uses inotify to get notified about device node creation
[07:16] <tvoss_> veebers, while I haven't verified myself, I'm pretty sure that switching to libudev would also fix the autopilot event injection issue
[07:17] <Saviq> veebers, are you still "at work" to fix some issues with that MP or shall we take over?
[07:17] <veebers> Saviq: heh, no I'm just about to pop out to pick my partner up from work
[07:18] <Saviq> veebers, k o/
[07:18] <veebers> Saviq: ack re: the bug I mentioned. I will probabl be around a little bit later on
[07:18] <veebers> Saviq: also interested, what are the issues that you mentioned?
[07:18] <Saviq> veebers, just s/unity/unity8/ in the "you need to stop unity8"
[07:19] <Saviq> veebers, but am also wondering if we should stop it ourselves...
[07:21] <veebers> Saviq: right, both thomi and myself had that discussion too, I think it's safer in the long run to have the environment owner (the user sort that out)
[07:21] <Saviq> veebers, may very well be
[07:25] <davidcalle> Good morning all
[07:26] <Saviq> veebers, while still here, any reason to not use _patch_envirionment for QT_LOAD_TESTABILITY?
[07:26] <Saviq> davidcalle o/
[07:30] <veebers> Saviq: oh um, that's still there from the transition from having a "are we using upstart to start unity", also it's guaranteed to be cleaned up in _cleanup_launching_upstart_unity
[07:30] <Saviq> veebers, right, will fix
[07:30] <Saviq> veebers, if someone set it before - we shouldn't be resetting it
[07:30] <Saviq> veebers, fyi, we need -g in cleanup, too
[07:34] <didrocks> Saviq: hey! I guess we have still a yummi unity8 crash with latest image, mind having a look?
[07:34] <didrocks> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_mir-mako-smoke-unity8-autopilot/21/artifact/clientlogs/_usr_bin_unity8.32011.crash/*view*/
[07:34] <Saviq> didrocks, smokes truncate .crash files
[07:35] <Saviq> didrocks, I won't get anything out of it
[07:35] <didrocks> Saviq: let's hope not, we need to get stable at some point :)
[07:35] <Saviq> didrocks, they do
[07:35] <Saviq> didrocks, a unity8 crash needs to be some 12MB at least
[07:35] <didrocks> argh
[07:35] <Saviq> didrocks, either way
[07:35] <Saviq> didrocks, we have fixes in queue for a few crashers
[07:35] <didrocks> any idea why they are truncated on this arch?
[07:35] <didrocks> ok, any ETA?
[07:36] <Saviq> didrocks, today
[07:36] <didrocks> (to know if we can handle + get the results today)
[07:36] <Saviq> didrocks, utah doesn't wait for them to be completed, AFAICT
[07:36] <didrocks> Saviq: if you can get them merged before 10 UTC (so in 2h30), we can hope getting the results
[07:36] <Saviq> greyback, ↑ the "waitforme" branch
[07:36] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, as soon as I have a crash on my phone, I'll fw it to you
[07:36] <Saviq> didrocks, please apport-cli View, Keep it first
[07:37] <didrocks> Saviq: yep, I know about it for years ;)
[07:37] <Saviq> didrocks, sorry :)
[07:37] <didrocks> no worry :p
[07:37] <Saviq> didrocks, btw, smoke will also cough up only one .crash file per project
[07:37] <didrocks> yeah, that's how apport works…
[07:38] <Saviq> didrocks, we should collect them and move away from /crash/ after every test
[07:38] <didrocks> agreed
[07:38] <didrocks> well, first, they have to fix the "wait for apport to finish"
[07:38] <Saviq> +1
[08:38] <nic-doffay> Saviq, I don't suppose you ever got an answer to this question you asked? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1150151
[08:38] <Saviq> nic-doffay, right indeed
[08:38] <Saviq> nic-doffay, can you poke Oren about it/
[08:42] <om26er> bug 1239575
[08:42] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yep np.
[08:42] <om26er> Cimi, ^ do you know if that was intentional ?
[08:59] <Cimi> om26er, intentional
[09:01] <om26er> Cimi, looks bad doesn't it ?
[09:01] <Cimi> om26er, nope
[09:01] <Cimi> om26er, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/DiFH5zJxUPhXES9dICX4ydlmQzpkKFMNeJlq3NsPhPIUAzbAH8XjX4YlZ0eii1w5csbAX2ZqnW9l6bjLSDzzd8Y1oCJf2qKzJYZ49lDeg5dPDbCiCEI-3eyi8Fs
[09:01] <Cimi> om26er, put covers
[09:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, can I ask you to https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/ap_launch_unity_with_upstart/+merge/190886
[09:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: ofc
[09:02] <om26er> Cimi, doesn't look good to. In the current implementation there is still one bug. the text is overflowing a bit left
[09:02] <om26er> *to me
[09:03] <Cimi> om26er, it's prob because you're missing the cover
[09:03] <Cimi> it's grid aligned...
[09:05] <om26er> cover is supposed to appear inside the tile. so that should have no effect on the text alignment.
[09:07] <Saviq> Cimi, om26er, maybe we just need a margin on the left
[09:07] <Cimi> om26er, I think there's another bug in that screenshot
[09:07] <Saviq> like 0.5 GU
[09:08] <Cimi> Saviq, 1du maybe
[09:08] <Cimi> or 2
[09:08] <Cimi> 0.5 is way too much
[09:08] <Cimi> om26er, Linkin Park
[09:08] <om26er> Cimi, lol. But I love them
[09:08] <mzanetti> Saviq: is data/unity8.conf supposed to be our upstart service file?
[09:08] <Saviq> Cimi, remember that UShape "softens" the edges
[09:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, yes
[09:09] <om26er> the later albums were not that good.. but still
[09:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, I need to fix, though
[09:11] <mhr3> Saviq, tsdgeos, we want to disable the category reordering, it seems to be causing more problems than it solves, comments?
[09:12] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah I think
[09:13] <mhr3> pstolowski, will you mp a revert branch?
[09:13] <mhr3> doesn't have to be revert...
[09:16] <pstolowski> mhr3, yes, i'm on it. it don't want to revert, just disable signal etc.
[09:16] <pstolowski> s/it/I/
[09:16] <mhr3> yea, fine with me
[09:18] <pstolowski> mhr3, Saviq, tsdgeos https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1239584
[09:19] <tsdgeos> well
[09:19] <tsdgeos> we ought to fix those empty categories :D
[09:21] <Saviq> pstolowski, osk misbehaving I believe is unrelated
[09:21] <Saviq> pstolowski, mhr3, tsdgeos so if we can fix the empty cats, that'd obviously be better
[09:22] <mhr3> Saviq, it surely would, but do you have someone who could look at it?
[09:22] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, tsdgeos :)
[09:23] <Saviq> mhr3, should've asked first, thought it was past hope ;)
[09:23] <pstolowski> :)
[09:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well, i haven't had a look at it
[09:23] <tsdgeos> not sure how do i repro tbh
[09:23] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: just "search"?
[09:23] <pstolowski> mhr3, besides empty cats, there were some other glitches as well right?
[09:24] <mhr3> yea, the "shifting" of the override model
[09:24] <mhr3> having apps category twice there
[09:24] <mhr3> lots and lots of issue really
[09:25] <mhr3> tsdgeos, while i do believe you're awesome, i'm not sure if you'll be able to tackle all of that in the next couple of hours where we still can do fixes
[09:26] <mhr3> Saviq, that's why i suggested the revert instead ^
[09:26] <tsdgeos> mhr3: sure i'm not saying we should not rever it
[09:26] <tsdgeos> i'm just saying hiding them under the rug is not future proof
[09:26] <tsdgeos> since i don't even have a rug around here
[09:26] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:26] <Saviq> lol
[09:26] <mhr3> sure, i just want 13.10 to be usable :)
[09:27] <mhr3> and you know... without being able to see bugs after two searches
[09:27] <mhr3> should take at least dozen :P
[09:29] <Saviq> Cimi, you're working on the music carousel overlay?
[09:29] <Saviq> Cimi, and video carousel mount, for that matter?
[09:29] <Saviq> -mount, layout, too
[09:30] <Cimi> Saviq, today yes
[09:30] <Saviq> Cimi, ok
[09:30] <Cimi> Saviq, as well with quitting termination mode
[09:30] <Saviq> Cimi, start with the carousels please
[09:30] <Cimi> ok
[09:31] <Cimi> Saviq, is this really for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1226221
[09:32] <Cimi> iirc might be easy to store a property across scopes
[09:32] <Cimi> but how about the zeitgeist part?
[09:35] <tsdgeos> didn't we already have a property across scopes for that?
[09:37] <MacSlow> Saviq, are ap tests meant to work as usual if executed on the device?
[09:37] <Saviq> MacSlow, kind of, yeah
[09:37] <Saviq> MacSlow, you need to make sure display is on
[09:37] <Saviq> MacSlow, easiest is to see that it's on, sudo stop powerd; stop unity8
[09:38] <Saviq> MacSlow, from then on they should run ~fine, yes
[09:38] <Saviq> MacSlow, but we are fixing things around that atm
[09:47] <MacSlow> Saviq, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235207
[09:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you know what changed in the scope backend? Apparently I'm now getting a model that doesn't support get()
[09:48] <mzanetti>  which breaks the previews
[09:49] <Saviq> MacSlow, maguro?
[09:49] <Saviq> MacSlow, try stopping maliit-server
[09:49] <MacSlow> Saviq, yes the GX
[09:49] <MacSlow> GN
[09:49] <Saviq> MacSlow, and make sure no app is running
[09:49] <Saviq> MacSlow, if all else fails - reboot
[09:50] <Saviq> reboot
[09:54] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, Saviq so ok to disable reordering?
[09:54] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: sure
[09:54] <Saviq> pstolowski, tsdgeos yeah
[09:55] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm still having a look at the crashers on sigterm, my patch fixes the crash once everything has properly stated, but if we get a sigterm "while starting", we still crash a bit
[09:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah btw you know you opened a pandora's box? ;)
[09:56] <tsdgeos> why?
[09:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, now that we're destroying everything correctly
[09:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we uncovered a bunch of bugs :)
[09:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, 3 different crashes in notidy
[09:56] <tsdgeos> like?
[09:57] <tsdgeos> :D
[09:57] <tsdgeos> i'm sorry :D
[09:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on exit, though - so it's not really bad
[09:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the ones at the bottom in https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-notifications/
[09:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, only other one I found was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1239409
[09:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so that's unity8 crashing or notify-osd crashing?
[09:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, there is no notify-ods
[09:59] <tsdgeos> ah
[09:59] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's unity8 in unity-notifications
[10:00] <tsdgeos> i see
[10:01] <MacSlow> Saviq, I can't stop/kill unity8 on the device...
[10:01] <Saviq> MacSlow, kill -9 in case
[10:04] <MacSlow> Saviq, ok... brute force seems to have worked... now let's hope the ap-test work
[10:04] <om26er> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/add_leftMargin_tile_text/+merge/190905
[10:05] <tsdgeos> MacSlow: you need to stop unity8 from the phablet user, not from root
[10:06] <Cimi> om26er, 0.2 gu is not processed iirc
[10:06] <om26er> Cimi, its working
[10:06] <tsdgeos> problem with 0.2
[10:06] <tsdgeos> is that it may be a non integer in some places
[10:07] <tsdgeos> which will make people unhappy
[10:07] <tsdgeos> 0.2 gu i mean :D
[10:08] <MacSlow> tsdgeos, ok... but I wanted to be sure I strike with all possible might ;)
[10:09] <Cimi> om26er, let's use 1du or 2
[10:10] <Cimi> om26er, and remove your code from the running tile :)
[10:10] <om26er> Cimi, yes. working on that
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, pushed a fix to the upstart branch...
[10:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, will build packages for testing here
[10:13] <nic-doffay> Saviq, got any new bugs I can look at while some branches of mine are reviewed?
[10:13] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok... had to reflash my device anyways.
[10:14] <Saviq> nic-doffay, how's multi-selectors?
[10:14] <Saviq> nic-doffay, waiting for review?
[10:17] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yeah
[10:18] <om26er> Cimi, what provides du ? api reference only have gu and dp.
[10:18] <om26er> is that from qml?
[10:19] <Saviq> nic-doffay, take https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1127627 from dednick
[10:19] <Cimi> om26er, du
[10:19] <Cimi> om26er, was my typo :)
[10:19] <Cimi> sorry
[10:19] <Cimi> dp
[10:19] <Cimi> hah
[10:19] <Cimi> monday morning
[10:20] <om26er> \o/
[10:20] <Cimi> om26er, 1 du is 1 pixel
[10:20] <Cimi> dp
[10:20] <Cimi> dammit
[10:20] <Cimi> DP
[10:21] <Cimi> so 1 or 2 max
[10:21] <Cimi> maybe 1 id fine
[10:21] <Cimi> *is
[10:21] <om26er> Cimi, yeah, 2 looks fine here.
[10:21] <Cimi> will look bad on desktop
[10:21] <Saviq> nic-doffay, then, bug #1226221
[10:24] <Cimi> on https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/fix_1238837/+merge/190743
[10:24] <Cimi> there's a mouse area inside an item
[10:25] <Cimi> nevermind, API helped
[10:26] <om26er> Cimi, so this branch is good to go now ? :)
[10:26] <Cimi> om26er, think so
[10:26] <Cimi> om26er, I wrote the same code friday :)
[10:26] <Cimi> om26er, didn't realise you were doing it too
[10:27] <om26er> Cimi, oops, I came here to ping you to make sure you were not already working but couldn't catch you. I guess you were offline already
[10:27] <Cimi> om26er, actually not
[10:27] <Cimi> om26er, (I already fixed it then I went EOD)
[10:27] <Cimi> om26er, btw
[10:28] <Cimi> om26er, you need to write a new test or extend the current one
[10:28] <Cimi> om26er, because you're no longer testing app termination now
[10:28] <om26er> Cimi, if your branch have a test, feel free to propose yours
[10:28] <Cimi> om26er, you should now check that clicking the icon closes the app
[10:28] <om26er> Cimi, right, I made a comment about that https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/fix_1238837/+merge/190743/comments/438142
[10:29] <Cimi> om26er, so yes, exactly
[10:29] <tsdgeos> what?=¿
[10:29] <tsdgeos> ../../../../../src/modules/Unity/Application/ubuntukeyboardinfo.cpp: In member function ‘void UbuntuKeyboardInfo::tryConnectingToServer()’:
[10:29] <tsdgeos> ../../../../../src/modules/Unity/Application/ubuntukeyboardinfo.cpp:61:32: error: ‘class QString’ has no member named ‘isEmtpy’
[10:29] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:29] <tsdgeos> ah
[10:30] <Cimi> om26er, in RunningApplicationTile add 'objectName: "closeIcon"'
[10:30] <tsdgeos> a q_assert
[10:30] <Cimi> om26er, then you find it in the test
[10:30] <om26er> Cimi, how do I run these tests? to me it says Unity.Test is not installed
[10:30] <Cimi> om26er, ./build
[10:30] <Cimi> ….
[10:31] <Cimi> om26er, cd builddir
[10:31] <Cimi> om26er, make testRunningApplicationsGrid
[10:31] <nic-doffay> Cimi, are you planning on dealing with this soon or can I take it? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1226221
[10:31] <Cimi> nic-doffay, if you are doing nothing, take it
[10:32] <Cimi> nic-doffay, should work with a shared property across scopes
[10:33] <Cimi> nic-doffay, or if you can use zeitgeist or something else
[10:33] <Cimi> nic-doffay, you can push and pull recent searches
[10:33] <Cimi> nic-doffay, maybe mhr3 can help you
[10:34] <Cimi> om26er, you want to do it or I can do it if you want
[10:35] <om26er> Cimi, I am working on it (trying)
[10:35] <nic-doffay> mhr3, mind giving me a shout about this?
[10:36] <mhr3> nic-doffay, you'd need to store it somewhere, but we don't have zg on the device, and it won't be for 13.10
[10:39] <Cimi> dbus? :D
[10:39] <Cimi> gsettings
[10:39] <Cimi> I meant
[10:41] <nic-doffay> Saviq, you mentioned this could possibly be a regression ^
[10:42] <Saviq> nic-doffay, the fact that they're not common between scopes is a regression that should be relatively easy tacklable
[10:42] <Saviq> nic-doffay, the fact that it's not persistent - not so much - we should probably store it in U1Db for syncing
[10:44] <nic-doffay> Saviq, can this be done now?
[10:45] <Saviq> nic-doffay, "this"?
[10:45] <Saviq> nic-doffay, U1Db? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/u1db-qt5/overview.html
[10:47] <nic-doffay> Saviq, just wondering about your approach in comparison to mhr3 's
[10:51] <mhr3> nic-doffay, "my" approach is just saying that it needs to be stored somewhere, i'm fine with somewhere being u1db, plus if it's supposed to be shared between all scopes, it can be purely qml patch afaict
[10:52] <nic-doffay> mhr3, right then.
[10:53] <nic-doffay> mhr3, where are the recent searches currently?
[10:53] <Saviq> nic-doffay, read, please, read
[10:53] <mhr3> nic-doffay, in qml :)
[10:57] <nic-doffay> mhr3, Saviq I meant what source files.
[10:58] <Saviq> nic-doffay, in qml source files
[10:58] <Saviq> nic-doffay, you've been around it for the past month
[10:59] <Saviq> nic-doffay, PageHeader
[11:04] <Cimi> om26er, update?
[11:04] <om26er> Cimi, Just pushed a test
[11:04] <om26er> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/fix_1238837/+merge/190743
[11:06] <Cimi> om26er, remove empty line
[11:06] <Cimi> before bracket
[11:06] <Cimi> seems fine here
[11:06] <Cimi> bravo
[11:06] <Cimi> om26er, rename the other test
[11:07] <Cimi> test_clickTile maybe
[11:08] <Cimi> toTerminateApp doesn't make sense anymore since we drop the functionality
[11:08] <om26er> Cimi, test_clickTileNotClose sounds fine ?
[11:09] <om26er> since we are making sure clicking it does not close. the name of the test should also indicate that
[11:09] <Cimi> om26er, sounds better
[11:09] <Cimi> om26er, yeah yours is better
[11:09] <mhr3> Saviq, is it possible to create a map for ListElement?
[11:10] <Saviq> mhr3, .get() should work
[11:10] <mhr3> not what i meant, a sec
[11:11] <mhr3> Saviq, something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235442/
[11:11] <mhr3> but something that actually works :)
[11:11] <Saviq> mhr3, ah no
[11:12] <mhr3> :/
[11:12] <Saviq> mhr3, a list, yes - an object, no
[11:18] <Cimi> Saviq, u1db?
[11:19] <Cimi> Saviq, that way will sync across devices
[11:19] <Saviq> Cimi, yes, that's the plan
[11:19] <Cimi> Saviq, I would not do this
[11:19] <Cimi> Saviq, searches depends on local content
[11:19] <Saviq> Cimi, that's why I put ubuntu-ux on the bug
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, it's not like searching google where it makes sense to share your search history
[11:20] <Saviq> Cimi, anyway, storing in U1Db does not automagically equal syncing
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, I know but it's not required
[11:20] <Saviq> Cimi, and dconf isn't the right place to store it
[11:20] <Cimi> Saviq, I'd go for something local
[11:20] <Saviq> Cimi, U1Db *is* local
[11:20] <Saviq> until you sync it
[11:35] <pstolowski> mhr3, Saviq https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/disable-reordering/+merge/190918
[11:36] <Saviq> pstolowski, FIXME++ ?
[11:36] <pstolowski> k
[11:37] <mhr3> eh, acked already
[11:37] <mhr3> switched back
[11:38] <Saviq> mhr3, good we don't have autolanding ;)
[11:38] <mhr3> oh?
[11:38] <mhr3> good to know
[11:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-lazyimage-initialSize/+merge/190930
[11:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, thanks
[11:51] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: hi, we have a report of the proposed HUD update breaking the unity8 ap tests, I want to check I'm running the tests correctly myself
[11:51] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: hi
[11:51] <tsdgeos> sure
[11:51] <tsdgeos> whatcha doing
[11:51] <tsdgeos> ?
[11:52] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: on the device I'm stopping unity8
[11:52] <pete-woods> then running autopilot run unity8.shell.tests.test_hud.TestHud.test_show_hud_appears
[11:53] <tsdgeos> you need to be insde tests/autopilot
[11:53] <tsdgeos> or tests/whatever
[11:53] <tsdgeos> for that to work
[11:53] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: that's from the installed unity8-autopilot package
[11:53] <tsdgeos> ah
[11:53] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:53] <tsdgeos> then no, you don't need to be anywhere
[11:53] <tsdgeos> ok, and it's not working?
[11:53] <pete-woods> the HUD gui isn't appearing
[11:54] <pete-woods> it gets to the point of showing the funny symbol in the middle of the screen
[11:54] <pete-woods> but then waits there until timeout
[11:54] <tsdgeos> that is weird
[11:54] <tsdgeos> i tried them here last week and it worked fine
[11:55] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: what's the autopilot backtrace?
[11:55] <Saviq> /away
[11:55] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: do you mean this part? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6235587/
[11:56] <tsdgeos> yeah that
[11:56] <tsdgeos> have to run for lunch sorry, will try to see what's wrong later
[11:56] <tsdgeos> is that ok?
[11:56] <om26er> jamesh, hello
[11:57] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: this bug is classified as super-urget, but yeah, you may as well get some lunch
[11:57] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: some further info, this test fails for me regardless of HUD version, so I don't think that it's the backend at fault
[11:58] <Cimi> Saviq, I go and merge omen's branch? reviewed
[11:59] <Cimi> *omer
[12:02]  * Cimi pushed
[12:53] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: back
[12:53] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: ok, let me try to see if i can repro
[12:54] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: I'm suspicious that this test might just not work under Mir?
[12:54] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: does it pass on the pc but not on the device?
[12:54] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: it works fine in mir, i tried
[12:54] <tsdgeos> a few days ago i mean
[12:54] <tsdgeos> not now
[12:54] <pete-woods> okay
[12:57] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: works for me :_S
[12:57] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6235761/
[12:57] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: how are you setting up the test? are you stopping unity8 first?
[12:58] <pete-woods> what am I doing differently
[12:58] <tsdgeos> sure
[12:58] <tsdgeos> stop unity8
[12:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: do you have some packages for your branch?
[12:58] <tsdgeos> and then run then run the autopilot line you said
[12:58] <mzanetti> Saviq: I can't install the ones from jenkins for some reason
[12:58] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: nothing i see different
[13:02] <mhr3> mzanetti, try this lp:~mhr3/unity8/route-overridden-previews
[13:02] <mhr3> i'm not completely sure it works :)
[13:03] <mzanetti> mhr3: building
[13:03] <mzanetti> mhr3: hmm... just merging it into the switching-previews branch doesn't really fix it
[13:04] <mzanetti> mhr3: well, there is now an empty image
[13:04] <mzanetti> mhr3: before there wasn't even that one
[13:04] <mhr3> mzanetti, that's better, no? :)
[13:04] <mzanetti> its one step closer, yes
[13:04] <mzanetti> not good enough tho :P
[13:04] <mhr3> well it theoretically should work on the phone
[13:04] <mzanetti> ah ok
[13:04] <mzanetti> lemme try
[13:04] <mhr3> you don't have click scope nor the apps on the desktop
[13:05] <mzanetti> mhr3: hmm... how come I have the suggested apps section here?
[13:05] <mhr3> it's from software center, not clicks
[13:05] <mzanetti> ah wait...
[13:05] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: have you got time to try running those tests again with the proposed version of HUD?
[13:06] <mzanetti> mhr3: well, in the apps scope I do see the preview for the camera-app. it doesn't work with the camera-app in home
[13:06] <mhr3> :/
[13:06] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: what do i need to do? install a few hud packages? or?
[13:08] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: it's the newest hud build from the proposed PPA
[13:08] <pete-woods> you should only need to install the hud package itself, as nothing else has changed
[13:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, it conflicts with the ubuntu-touch-session
[13:10] <mzanetti> Saviq: already removed that one... still some strange issue
[13:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, like?
[13:11] <mzanetti> Saviq: some circular dependency I think. the locak packages required version ...pkg0saucyX something while that pulled in something riquiring ...ubuntu0
[13:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, huh, will know in 5
[13:12] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: do you have a link for the .deb package? i don't want to add the proposed ppa to my phone since i'm in the middle of debugging something and took me all day to get here
[13:15] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: I don't actually know where the PPA is hosted, mail of deb file good enough?
[13:18] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: yep
[13:19] <MacSlow> does it make sense to use strace on running an autopilot test?
[13:20] <MacSlow> or is there a specific python-counterpart for it?
[13:20] <MacSlow> hm... guess strace it good enough...
[13:30] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: standup now, will try it just after
[13:30] <tsdgeos> sorry for the delay
[13:30] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: np, at least I have someone who the tests originally pass for now :)
[13:32] <mzanetti> Saviq: dednick: standup
[13:35] <didrocks> Saviq: do you know who is working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework/+bug/1233988? (I reopened downstream as well)
[13:35] <Saviq> didrocks, alf
[13:35] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, thanks
[13:39] <dandrader> Cimi, what's your launchpad id?
[13:39] <Cimi> dandrader, what you think?
[13:39] <dandrader> tried cimi, andra, cimitan
[13:39] <dandrader> Cimi, coulnd't find it. just tell me
[13:40] <Cimi> dandrader, cimi
[13:40] <dandrader> Cimi, weird: No items matched "cimi".
[13:40] <dandrader> Cimi, well, could you please reassign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1228756 to yourself then :)
[13:41] <Cimi> dandrader, https://launchpad.net/~cimi :-\
[13:53] <nic-doffay> Saviq, any idea which revision the common scope regression is a part of? I've been trying to find it...
[13:53] <nic-doffay> Haven't found anything of relevance yet.
[13:56] <Saviq> nic-doffay, no, no it happened quite some time ago
[13:56] <Saviq> dednick, can you take a look at bug #1239708?
[13:57] <dednick> Saviq: yeah
[13:58] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: still works here
[13:58] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: okay, so it sounds like that was a red herring then - thanks for checking it for me!
[13:58] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: no worries
[13:59] <tsdgeos> pete-woods: where's the bug btw, why assigned to you?
[14:00] <pete-woods> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hud/+bug/1239016
[14:00] <pete-woods> because pete-woods = general dogsbody who fixes random bugs on project's he's not really on
[14:00] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:00] <tsdgeos> make sense
[14:02] <nic-doffay> Saviq, check out my comment here too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1169258
[14:03] <Saviq> nic-doffay, the ExpansionContainer would just have to *be* a Flickable or a ListView, is all
[14:04] <dednick> larsu: hi
[14:07] <nic-doffay> Saviq, about that common search, how could I make SearchHistoryModel in PageHeader common to all scopes? My assumption would be that it was already?
[14:11] <Saviq> nic-doffay, it would work then, wouldn't it
[14:11] <Saviq> nic-doffay, there's a PageHeader per-scope
[14:12] <Saviq> nic-doffay, so you need a SearchHistoryModel in Dash.qml or Shell.qml, and pass it to PageHeaders
[14:13] <mhr3> Saviq, does run_on_device stop the upstart job or am i supposed to do that myself?
[14:14] <Saviq> mhr3, it does
[14:14] <mhr3> and it works just fine with mir, right?
[14:14]  * mhr3 is bored while it's building
[14:14] <Saviq> mhr3, yes
[14:15] <mhr3> thx
[14:27] <davmor2> guys quick question I see nux on unity8 should it be there?
[14:28] <mhr3> mzanetti, finally compiled the branch on the phone and it works there
[14:28] <mhr3> minus the webapps, those give error
[14:33] <tsdgeos> davmor2: where?
[14:35] <davmor2> tsdgeos: ii  libnux-4.0-0                                          4.0.3+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1                 armhf        Visual rendering toolkit for real-time applications - shared lib
[14:35] <davmor2> ii  libnux-4.0-common                                     4.0.3+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1                 armhf        Visual rendering toolkit for real-time applications - common files
[14:35] <tsdgeos>  ah
[14:35] <tsdgeos> you mean it's installed
[14:36] <tsdgeos> i thought you meant in the unity8 cod
[14:36] <tsdgeos> e
[14:36] <tsdgeos> i think libunity uses it for some non visual thing
[14:36] <davmor2> tsdgeos: yeah sorry,  I'm assuming it's pulled in by something but didn't think that unity8 used it so wondered why it was being pulled in
[14:38] <davmor2> tsdgeos: ah thanks, so it should still be on the image then?  That was the important bit to confirm
[14:38] <tsdgeos> i'd say so yes
[14:38] <tsdgeos> not terribly sure
[14:38] <tsdgeos> mhr3: pstolowski: maybe you guys know more?
[14:39] <mhr3> yes, it's needed for the non-ui things
[14:40] <mhr3> since unity-core links to it
[14:40] <dakira> hi. is this the right channel to query about scopes?
[14:41] <davidcalle> dakira, yes
[14:43] <dakira> davidcalle: hey! I was the one who reported the torrent lens not working. What are the necessary changes to get it working again. I've got some time to spend. What changed in 13.10 that breaks the old lens?
[14:43] <dakira> I mean scope ;)
[14:44] <dakira> davidcalle_:  got my last message?
[14:45] <davidcalle_> dakira, no, screen froze :)
[14:45] <dakira> davidcalle: I was the one who reported the torrent lens not working. What are the necessary changes to get it working again. I've got some time to spend. What changed in 13.10 that breaks the old lens?
[14:46] <pstolowski> tsdgeos, unitycore uses logger and proprerty classes from nux
[14:46] <pstolowski> davmor2, ^
[14:47] <davidcalle> dakira, oh right. It needs to be adapted to the new framework. We are still missing a new Python tutorial on that, but if you want to give it a shot, you can use https://launchpad.net/unity-scope-soundcloud as an example.
[14:47] <davmor2> pstolowski: Great thanks, I was just double checking that it should be on the image, it seems it should and I'm happy I don't have to write a bung now :)
[14:47] <davmor2> bug even
[14:48] <dakira> davidcalle: I'll have a look, thanks. Do I have to change both, the scope and the lens?
[14:48] <pstolowski> davmor2, yw
[14:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so, you were saying that we're crashing / hanging in join()?
[14:49] <Saviq> tsdgeos, i.e. bug #1239409 ?
[14:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sometimes yes
[14:50] <tsdgeos> with that backtrace can't really say "sure"
[14:50] <davidcalle> dakira, it's a bit different now, there are no more lenses, just scopes. If you look in you /usr/share/unity/scopes you will see folders that act as categories for scopes (that's what is replacing lenses). So, you would need to updates the scope and put its .scope file in one of its category or create a new one if none fits.
[14:50] <davidcalle> in your*
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I just uploaded a (hopefully fully) symbolic .crash of that
[14:51] <tsdgeos> let me see
[14:52] <dakira> davidcalle: so categories are basically the new lenses. any documentation on how to create one?
[14:52] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1239409/comments/5
[14:53] <dakira> davidcalle: and looking at that folder I was wondering on where to find the skimlinks scope. Is it hardcoded somewhere else?
[14:53] <davidcalle> dakira, look at an existing scope file  (eg. graphics.scope) in /usr/share/unity/scopes, that's all you need.
[14:54] <dakira> Daviey: thanks!
[14:54] <davidcalle> dakira, it's on the scopes server https://productsearch.ubuntu.com/smartscopes/v1/remote-scopes
[14:54] <dakira> davidcalle: oops.. thanks
[14:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: but was it crahing in the thread that did the join() or in another thread?
[14:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it didn't crash
[14:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, hung
[14:57] <tsdgeos> ah
[14:57] <tsdgeos> was stuck
[14:57] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:57] <dandrader> greyback, would you have time to review that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1236489
[14:57] <tsdgeos> if you control+c in some specific moment
[14:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I forced a crash with kill -SIGSEGV
[14:57] <tsdgeos> you can make it hang
[14:58] <tsdgeos> working on that
[14:58] <tsdgeos> i know what's wrong
[14:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah awesome
[14:58] <greyback> dandrader: sure
[14:58] <tsdgeos> not sure how to fix it "properly" yet
[14:58] <dandrader> greyback, thanks!
[14:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, happens almost every time on stopping unity8 during autopilot here...
[14:58] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:58] <tsdgeos> then it's not what i say
[14:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you thread aplly all bt?
[14:59] <tsdgeos> apply
[15:00] <tsdgeos> i'm interested in what's going on with the thead that has startShell in it
[15:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me get it to hang
[15:00] <Daviey> dakira: no problem?
[15:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236270/
[15:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me know which symbols you'd like
[15:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: get the glib2 ones and the qtbase ones if possible
[15:06] <tsdgeos> Saviq: unity-mir won't hurt either
[15:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, they're there
[15:07] <tsdgeos> are they?
[15:07] <tsdgeos> weird
[15:07] <tsdgeos> thread 1 should be calling join() from unity-mir
[15:07] <tsdgeos> and all we see is a lock() :-S
[15:09] <dednick_> larsu: can you take a look when you have a minute? https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qmenumodel/lp1239394/+merge/190965
[15:11] <greyback> dandrader: one comment https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/ubuntu-keyboard/osk_rotation_lp1236489/+merge/190946
[15:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236299/
[15:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there are the other 7 threads?
[15:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, they must've disappeared since :D
[15:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, let me re-hang it
[15:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: it's weird, thread 1 should always be there
[15:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, crap, need to reboot phone, display b0rked
[15:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236344/
[15:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, had to manually bt threads < 8 - must be gdb crapped out after memory corruption
[15:25] <tsdgeos> brr
[15:26] <mhr3> mzanetti, works fine for me - https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity8/route-overridden-previews/+merge/190984
[15:26] <tsdgeos> right
[15:26] <tsdgeos> so thread 1 is in the join
[15:26] <tsdgeos> and there is no thread with startShell in the stacktrace
[15:26] <tsdgeos> that is weird
[15:27] <tsdgeos> if the thread ended why didn't it return after join?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> startShell is the thread that actually does qApp->exec
[15:27] <tsdgeos> Saviq: this is in an autopilot run you say, right?
[15:27] <tsdgeos> looks very much like the lock i'm having
[15:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, first test is enough
[15:28] <tsdgeos> but i can only get there if i kill it very early
[15:28] <tsdgeos> one would think autopilot lets it live a bit more
[15:28] <tsdgeos> let me push the "fix" i have
[15:28] <tsdgeos> and let's see if that also fixes this case
[15:28] <tsdgeos> don't think so
[15:28] <tsdgeos> but who knows
[15:28] <Saviq> tsdgeos, k
[15:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: try lp:~aacid/unity-mir/crashes_stop_starting_up
[15:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: which is the autopilot test you are running exactly, just for me to try the same
[15:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just the first one... but now I'm running through upstart it doesn't hang anymore... ugh
[15:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: unity8.application_lifecycle.tests.test_application_lifecycle.ApplicationLifecycleTests.test_app_moves_from_unfocused_to_focused ?
[15:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, one of the mock ones
[15:33] <tsdgeos> i have no mock ones :S
[15:33]  * Saviq stops
[15:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, all the others are mock ones ;)
[15:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, except for the lifecycle ones
[15:34] <tsdgeos> what do you mean mock?
[15:34] <tsdgeos> how is the hud one mock?
[15:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ApplicationManager is using a mock
[15:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it's not really launching apps
[15:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, autopilot run unity8.shell.tests.test_hud.TestHud.test_hide_hud_click
[15:38] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:39] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that gets stuck here with unity-mir + waitforme
[15:39] <tsdgeos> how often?
[15:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, more than 60% I'd say
[15:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok yeah it hangs here too, nothing to do with what i was fixing
[15:46] <Saviq> good thing upstart doesn't care
[15:50]  * greyback breathes sigh of relief, his GNexus not bricked
[15:51] <tsdgeos> should i see qdebugs i write in main.cpp in autopilot runs?
[15:51] <tsdgeos> or any clue how i see them?
[15:55] <tsdgeos> noone?
[15:58] <dednick_> tsdgeos: i think you might need to redirect std out.
[15:59] <dednick_> or std err. cant remember
[15:59] <dednick_> 2>&1 i think
[16:00] <tsdgeos> didn't work :'(
[16:01]  * tsdgeos resorts to more manual debugging than debugs
[16:01] <dednick_> hm. i think ap eats everything. cant remember how to tell it not to.
[16:01] <dednick_> perhaps a command line option
[16:01] <dednick_> tsdgeos: ^
[16:02] <tsdgeos> there's -vv
[16:02] <tsdgeos> but it's just verbose for autopilot itself
[16:02] <tsdgeos> not for the underlying app
[16:02] <dednick_> tsdgeos: give me a minute. i'm sure there is something
[16:02] <larsu> dednick_: I commented on the patch
[16:02] <dednick_> larsu: thanks
[16:06] <davmor2> charles_: ping
[16:06] <charles_> davmor2: pong
[16:08] <davmor2> charles_: I've noticed something on testing the headset on saucy (desktop) in bluetooth settings bluetooth say it is turned off, but the indicator says it is on and setting up the headset looks to of worked
[16:09] <dednick_> tsdgeos: hm. maybe not. but i'm sure that ap tests during ci used to log qt messages
[16:09] <tsdgeos> yeah i had that impression too
[16:09] <tsdgeos> but..
[16:11] <davmor2> charles_: http://ubuntuone.com/2IE73Sj7W0XF1gecpYywOe and http://ubuntuone.com/4BBBPVXq8Sekr2kVrGi2SB
[16:14] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i think i know what's happening
[16:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, young man, it's a quarter past your EOD, what are you still doing here!? ;)
[16:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but cool!
[16:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i slept a bit more this morning ;)
[16:15] <charles> davmor2: could you repeat the system-settings test while running bt-monitor on the same system in a terminal?
[16:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: from what i can see, the qml view doesn't like being deleted when there's stuff moving
[16:15] <Cimi> in the running application grid
[16:16] <tsdgeos> that's the reason every time i debug it
[16:16] <tsdgeos> and put breakpoints
[16:16] <Cimi> I'd like to be able to tap anywhere on the screen to dismiss the termination mode
[16:16] <tsdgeos> it always works :D
[16:16] <Cimi> I'm looking for a solution that doesn't su*k
[16:16] <davmor2> charles: sorry for saucy desktop or on the phone?
[16:16] <tsdgeos> but autopilot usually "stops" while e.g. the hud thing is closing
[16:16] <Cimi> coding wise...
[16:16] <tsdgeos> and doesn't like that
[16:16] <tsdgeos> no idea why though
[16:17] <Cimi> because inversemousearea on the tile is limited to the grid, and not the whole listviewwithpageheader
[16:17] <tsdgeos> and no idea how to fix it either :D
[16:17] <charles> davmor2: whichever system you're running system-settings on & the scan isn't finding your headset
[16:17] <charles> davmor2: bt-monitor is provided by bluez-tools
[16:19] <tsdgeos> yep can totally repro without autopilot \o/
[16:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, make sense
[16:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so what i do to repro
[16:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we can make autopilot wait-for-it
[16:19] <tsdgeos> start unity8
[16:20] <tsdgeos> ./run
[16:20] <tsdgeos> and then open the indicators
[16:20] <tsdgeos> while it's scrolling down
[16:20] <tsdgeos> killall unity8 in a shell
[16:20] <tsdgeos> boom
[16:20] <tsdgeos> gets stuck
[16:20] <tsdgeos> if i let it finish
[16:20] <tsdgeos> works
[16:22] <davmor2> charles: will do
[16:24] <Cimi> guys, in the running application grid I'd like to be able to tap anywhere on the screen to dismiss the termination mode
[16:25] <Cimi> but inversemousearea is restricted to the list of running tiles due to the hierarchy of the files
[16:25] <Cimi> I am looking for a solution that doesn't look bad
[16:25] <Cimi> coding wise
[16:25] <Cimi> you have ideas?
[16:31] <Cimi> Saviq, tsdgeos ^ ?
[16:32] <tedg> Saviq, Can you send your indicator-network.log file on bug 1238990
[16:34] <tsdgeos> Cimi: hmmm nothing really smart, all i can think of is using the "global" shell variable and anchor to it
[16:34] <davmor2> charles: Hmm odd now it shows up http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236655/
[16:34] <charles> davmor2: it's like taking your car to the mechanic :)
[16:35] <charles> davmor2: do you see any pattern between when the headset is recognized & when it isn't?
[16:35] <Cimi> tsdgeos, which is not nice
[16:36] <tsdgeos> agreed
[16:37] <davmor2> charles: now I have the system in RW to enable me to install bluez-tools, let me set it back to RO and see if it still works
[16:37] <charles> ok
[16:39] <davmor2> charles: I have noticed that on desktop and phone that I don't think it is actually using the headset as such but that will be a different issue all together,  Android on the same device used it no issues so I'll dig into that when we have more time
[16:40] <Cimi> tsdgeos, and also does not work
[16:41] <Cimi> tsdgeos, Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling.
[16:41] <tsdgeos> right
[16:41] <Cimi> tsdgeos, which means the only solution is to add code in the scope list view
[16:41] <Cimi> and enable ad hoc
[16:41] <Cimi> quite ugly
[16:42] <Cimi> it's ugly because we don't use it anywhere else apart here
[16:42] <tsdgeos> well there's more solutions, btu sure that's one
[16:42] <davmor2> charles: hmm okay set back to RO but it is still listing my headset is there a way I can get rid of it's listing?
[16:43] <tsdgeos> another would be create a parentless element that fills all the screen
[16:43] <tsdgeos> but it's not much nicer
[16:43] <Cimi> ouch
[16:43] <Cimi> didn't know you could do this
[16:43] <tsdgeos> and at the moment i don't remember how parentless elemnts are crated :D
[16:43] <om26er> mhr3, hey! is there a separate package for apps scope ?
[16:43] <Cimi> hah
[16:43] <tsdgeos> Cimi: it's how you do "dialogs" for example
[16:43] <Cimi> tsdgeos, well, maybe can work here
[16:44] <charles> davmor2: no. iirc there's a ticket open for adding unpairing, but the design for it didn't get completed for 13.10 :/
[16:44] <tsdgeos> think about it
[16:44] <tsdgeos> need to go and do fun stuff i mean, taxes
[16:44] <tsdgeos> talk to you tomorrow :D
[16:44] <davmor2> charles: no worries I'll reflash it add the bluez-tools and then make it RO and try again
[16:45] <charles> davmor2: you can do it from the command line with "bluez-test-device remove $address"
[16:45] <charles> davmor2: ok
[16:45] <mhr3> om26er, unity-scope-click
[16:49] <Cimi> mm that is weird
[16:49] <Cimi> Saviq, inversemousearea should automatically be full screen?
[16:49] <Cimi> Saviq, or within parent?
[16:50] <Saviq> Cimi, by default - root element
[16:50] <Saviq> Cimi, within parent wouldn't make much sense, would it
[16:51] <Saviq> tedg, sure, can do
[16:51] <Cimi> Saviq, mmm so it doesn't really work for me
[16:51] <Saviq> tedg, I had to break the notification to get there though ;)
[16:51] <Cimi> Saviq, looks like it's limited to the component I am adding it
[16:51] <Cimi> or other mouse area collides
[16:51] <tedg> Saviq, I'm confused, is it when it doesn't return anything at all, or when it closes?
[16:52] <Saviq> tedg, my use case was that I had the new network indicator, but old unity8
[16:52] <Saviq> tedg, so didn't get the pinpad
[16:52] <Saviq> tedg, restarted unity8
[16:53] <Saviq> tedg, so the notification was gone, but indicator-network was still greyed out
[16:53] <Saviq> tedg, really minor use case ;)
[16:53] <Saviq> tedg, basically, we'd have to make it crash now
[16:54] <Saviq> tedg, since we'll be deleting / closing all the notifications on unity8 shutdown soon-ish
[16:54] <Saviq> /away
[16:56] <tedg> Saviq, Okay, so I'm going to move that one down to medium.
[16:56] <tedg> :-)
[16:56] <Saviq> tedg, at most ;)
[17:02] <tvoss> Saviq, test suite runs for me with the osk executables I gave you
[17:02] <tvoss> Saviq, can you cross-verify?
[17:16] <davmor2> charles: right in RO mode now http://paste.ubuntu.com/6236816/ and it's failing to connect again
[17:18] <davmor2> charles: daft question is there a RW rule for where bt stores it's config for devices?
[17:19] <charles> davmor2: that's a good question. I'll look at the bluez code
[17:21] <davmor2> charles: I'll reboot into RW mode and see if it connects again
[17:23]  * greyback going home
[17:24] <davmor2> charles: so in RW mode it finds it straight away
[17:29] <hashken> In Unity, how can I mark a window so that it does not get minimized when I do "Show Desktop".
[17:30] <hashken> I am using XPad for Desktop notes and when I do "Show desktop", even the XPad windows are getting minimized. I want to prevent this.
[17:32] <Saviq> tvoss, even without maliit, that is?
[17:33] <om26er> https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/search_indicator_dash_only/+merge/191012
[17:34] <om26er> any takers ?
[17:35] <Saviq> tvoss, thing is... if I start unity8, stop maliit-server, and type through autopilot.input.Keyboard(), it works fine
[17:36] <Saviq> tvoss, and since we're starting maliit for unity8 now, I can't reproduce the issue at all - maybe it's when it never launches?
[17:39] <om26er> Cimi, can you review that? ^ its a one liner
[17:39] <Cimi> om26er, yep
[17:41] <om26er> thanks
[17:43] <tvoss> Saviq, might well be
[17:43] <tvoss> Saviq, so issue solved?
[17:50] <Saviq> tvoss, well, avoided I'd say ;)
[18:00] <tvoss> Saviq, true ;)
[19:23] <thomi> morning
[20:09] <Saviq> hey thomi
[20:09] <Saviq> veebers, ping
[20:15] <thomi> hi Saviq
[20:36] <veebers> Saviq: pong
[20:37] <Saviq> veebers, hey, so I'd say lp:~unity-team/unity8/ap_launch_unity_with_upstart is ready if you could give it your last spin
[20:37] <Saviq> veebers, one important thing there is that I stopped using initctl for LD and QML2 paths
[20:38] <Saviq> veebers, so as to not leave them around in case of interruptions
[20:38] <Saviq> veebers, after all, we were setting them globally for the session, when you can just pass them to initctl start for this particular run
[20:38] <Saviq> veebers, I left QT_LOAD_TESTABILITY so that launched apps run under that
[20:39] <veebers> Saviq: ah nice thought, although if they are re-set using an addCleanup they should always be reset
[20:39] <veebers> Saviq: ah ok, makes sense then
[20:39] <Saviq> veebers, well, you can always kill autopilot enough to not call the cleanups ;)
[20:39] <veebers> Saviq: fair enough
[20:39] <Saviq> this is just safer and doesn't affect the whole system unnecessarily
[20:39]  * Saviq looks through the chlog
[20:40] <Saviq> veebers, dropped the maliit handling completely - it wasn't doing us any good (not any more than upstart is already)
[20:40] <veebers> Saviq: so is there anything left to do for that branch?
[20:40] <Saviq> veebers, AFAICT just testing - worked for me on both device and desktop
[20:41] <veebers> Saviq: hmm ok, the reason I introduced it was I guess mainly that trying to stop unity8 while the kb was up caused issues
[20:41] <veebers> Saviq: cool, I'll flash my device to latest and give it a spin
[20:41] <Saviq> veebers, that's handled by upstart - maliit is stopped before unity8 is
[20:41] <Saviq> veebers, i.e. maliit has "stop on stopping unity8"
[20:42] <Saviq> veebers, you will see maliit crashes due to maliit starting too early to connect to Mir
[20:42] <Saviq> veebers, but that's a different topic - and it's not critical
[20:42] <Saviq> veebers, I forgot to verify on sflinger if you could
[20:42] <Saviq> and I will do maguro as well
[20:43] <Saviq> veebers, jenkins is at least happy on mediumtests-saucy, not so much on mediumtests-touch yet
[20:44] <Saviq> but there's a slew of fixes in queue that will hopefully help that
[20:44] <Saviq> fginther, is there anything we're doing on mediumtests-touch to keep the display alive during mediumtests?
[20:45] <fginther> Saviq, before the test is started, we do "nohup powerd-cli active&"
[20:45] <fginther> Saviq, I'm not sure how reliable it is
[20:45] <fginther> Saviq, there's no way to query powerd of the actual state
[20:47] <Saviq> fginther, yeah so it's not reliable enough it seems :/
[20:47] <Saviq> fginther, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/2477/testReport/junit/unity8.shell.tests.test_notifications/EphemeralNotificationsTests/test_urgency_order_Native_Device_/
[20:47] <Saviq> veebers, I'm still seeing the keyboard tests fail on jenkins, but locally it seems to work fine - will do a bit more testing locally
[20:47] <Saviq> fginther, I wonder if it's too late
[20:47] <veebers> Saviq: ack, thanks
[20:48] <Saviq> fginther, well, it did light the display up here for me on mako...
[20:49] <fginther> Saviq, the timing is fragile, if it's not down while the display is on, it won't work
[20:49] <Saviq> fginther, although the help says "This does not modify the screen state." there
[20:49] <Cimi> Saviq, tried an inversemousearea filling the application thumbnail tile
[20:49] <Cimi> Saviq, onPressed (and clicked) are detected only in the frame within the application grid (category header excluded), idea? bug?
[20:50] <Saviq> Cimi, isolate please
[20:50] <Saviq> Cimi, try with a simple MainView application
[20:51] <Saviq> fginther, maybe "powerd-cli display on bright" would be better
[20:52] <Saviq> fginther, yeah that seems reliable
[20:52] <fginther> Saviq, I can try, I've been experimenting for the last few days to improve the test runner
[20:52] <Saviq> fginther, from a blanked display - after running that I can start unity8 no problem
[20:53] <fginther> Saviq, hmm
[20:56] <fginther> Saviq, before running the unity8 autopilot tests, does unity8 need to be stopped
[20:56] <fginther> ?
[20:56] <Saviq> fginther, yes
[20:56] <Saviq> fginther, while rebuilding them to use upstart we thought of stopping it, but we decided to bail out instead
[20:56] <Saviq> fginther, saying that you should stop it yourself
[20:56] <Saviq> fginther, felt safer
[20:57] <fginther> Saviq, "stop unity8" is all that is needed, correct?
[20:57] <Saviq> fginther, "initctl stop unity8" is preferred for explicity reasons, but yes
[20:57] <fginther> Saviq, what about unlocking the screen, does that even apply?
[20:57] <Saviq> fginther, for unity8 it does not
[20:58] <Saviq> fginther, I mean for the unity8 suite
[20:58] <fginther> Saviq, thanks, (and I was referring to unity8-autopilot as well)
[20:58] <Saviq> fginther, and even for apps you shouldn't need that temporarily
[20:58] <Saviq> as we'll unlock when an app is launched behind the greeter
[20:59] <fginther> Saviq, yeah!
[20:59] <Saviq> but we'll be locking this down at some point soon to plug that security hole ;)
[20:59] <fginther> oh well
[20:59] <Saviq> fginther, but at that point we should have all apps transitioned to unity8
[20:59] <Saviq> s/unity8/upstart/
[20:59] <Saviq> and then in the suite you'd restart unity8 under testability
[21:00] <Saviq> and use unity8's emulator to unlock
[21:00] <Saviq> so no more blindness
[21:00] <fginther> Saviq, I like this plan
[21:00] <Saviq> fginther, that was the plan all along ;)
[21:00] <Saviq> fginther, just not executed yet :)
[21:06] <Saviq> we should get rid of two of {otto,utah,phablet-test-run}...
[21:58] <Saviq> mhr3, still here? got a fix for blurred switching previews if you want to test it out
[22:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, breaker :P
[22:02] <mzanetti> Saviq: huh?
[22:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, for sourceSize 0 is a special value, different than undefind
[22:02] <Saviq> undefined
[22:02] <mzanetti> awww man
[22:02] <Saviq> although I agree that's broken
[22:03] <Saviq> mzanetti, pushed a fix to mhr3's issue with blurred images in previews
[22:03] <mzanetti> Saviq: cool, thanks
[22:07] <veebers> Saviq: finally finished running all those tests on my desktop and phone and they all pass fine for me
[22:07] <veebers> Saviq: pitty about the CI failures :-\
[22:08] <Saviq> veebers, yeah, we'll get there - awesome
[22:08] <Saviq> veebers, approve?
[22:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, if you want - you could approve too :)
[22:09] <Saviq> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/ap_launch_unity_with_upstart/+merge/190886 I mean
[22:09] <veebers> Saviq: I've comment-approved now
[22:17] <veebers> Saviq: did I see you mention earlier that you've had issues turning on the screen after starting unity8 again?
[22:24] <Saviq> veebers, yeah, the bug's still there
[22:24] <Saviq> veebers, on mako at least, screen needs to be on to start unity8
[22:25] <Saviq> veebers, otherwise you get "could not unblank display" and SIGABRT on startup
[22:25] <veebers> Saviq: ah ok, it turned on after a while. I was able to start unity alright (as far as I could tell) it's just that pushing the power button didn't turn on the screen
[22:25] <Saviq> veebers, push once, wait
[22:25] <Saviq> veebers, and monitor ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[22:25] <veebers> but I'm impatient ;-) I just mash at the key until something happens
[22:25] <Saviq> veebers, upstart will respawn it, as it will be SIGABRTing all the time
[22:26] <veebers> Saviq: ah right, thanks I'll do that next time
[22:26] <Saviq> mergin' that shit!
[22:29] <veebers> Saviq: \o/
[22:29] <Saviq> veebers, yeah, I'm much happier with that setup :)
[22:29] <Saviq> veebers, now we need to switch apps over to upstart
[22:30] <Saviq> veebers, and we can start unlocking unity8 while knowing what happens - and not blindly instead
[22:30] <veebers> Saviq: awsome, thanks for finishing it off
[22:30] <veebers> Saviq: that would be _awesome_ :-)
[22:30] <Saviq> veebers, we'll get there, mark my words! ;)
[22:30] <veebers> ^_^
[22:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, dammit, confused switching-previews again ;(
[22:40] <mzanetti> Saviq: ack. will fix tomorrow
[22:40] <mhr3> Saviq, i'll trust you :)
[22:40] <Saviq> mhr3, yeah, managed to break it ;P
[22:40] <mhr3> lol
[22:42] <Saviq> mhr3, well - not my fix, just switching-previews ;)


[00:35] <smoser> slangasek, i'm pretty sure its /run .
[00:35] <smoser> which is blocked on the mounting of /
[00:35] <smoser> but somehow on intel this works.
[00:38] <smoser> ie, the change that caused this failure was
[00:38] <smoser> /etc/init/cloud-init-local.conf
[00:38] <smoser> - start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/
[00:38] <smoser> +start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ and mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run
[02:12] <slangasek> smoser: mmm.  Remind me the intended semantics of /etc/init/cloud-init-local.conf?  You don't /want/ to block the filesystem events from returning, right, you just want cloud-init-local to run only after / and /run are mounted?
[02:12] <slangasek> smoser: did you ever try 'start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/ and virtual-filesystems'?
[07:22] <jamespage> doko: done (subscriptions)
[07:48] <wouter> hi -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule suggests Utopic is to be released today. Is that still on schedule?
[07:52] <mitya57> wouter: yes!
[07:54] <wouter> okay, thanks
[09:07] <hyperair> argh is the archive broken?
[09:07] <hyperair> my upgrade crashed out
[09:07] <hyperair> i've been running aptitude full-upgrade, and still have 1200+ packages to install
[09:07] <hyperair> at least it's progress ¬_¬"
[09:16] <flexiondotorg> Is it too late to request some sync requests from Debian?
[09:17] <flexiondotorg> There are some upstream fixes that landed in Debian a few hours ago for MATE.
[09:18] <hyperair> is that in main or universe?
[09:19] <hyperair> i think you can still request syncs for universe packages even after final freeze
[09:19] <flexiondotorg> hyperair, universe
[09:19] <hyperair> at least, it won't be impacting the iso images
[12:21] <pitti> cjwatson: argh, because I can't type; new one coming
[12:25] <pitti> nemo: you can use apport-unpack on the .crash file (see manpage)
[12:28] <nemo> pitti: ah. thanks
[12:28] <nemo> pitti: fortunately it turned out to be really really really easy to reproduce so they didn't need the bt
[12:28] <nemo> but I'll remember that
[12:29] <nemo> pitti: hm. where *is* the .crash ?
[12:29] <pitti> nemo: aside from that, the .crash is just a plain text file, so it's quite human readable
[12:29] <pitti> nemo: /var/crash/
[12:33] <nemo> pitti: oh nice. yeah. I can just copy and paste this
[12:33] <nemo> pitti: shame I couldn't just ctrl-c from the tool, but that might just be a limitation of the gtk widget
[12:34] <pitti> nemo: there's a nice close button in the window title bar :)
[12:36] <nemo> pitti: oh, I just mean if I ever run into an ubuntu user who hits a crash in our stuff, would be nice if I could just tell them to ctrl-c
[12:36] <nemo> but. nbd for me, that /var/crash thing is pretty much perfect
[12:37] <pitti> ctrl-c is spelled "Cancel" in GTK
[12:37] <nemo> hm.
[12:37] <nemo> that's how you copy in a fair number of gtk apps
[12:38] <nemo> in fact, some, like gedit/pluma don't even let you use the X copy ಠ_ಠ
[12:38] <nemo> pitti: oh. btw, if you're curious about the crash, it is kinda funny. http://www.fnordware.com/j2k/jp2samples.html  save the jp2 link to a MATE 1.8 or 1.10 desktop and you'll get an infinite series of crashes and respawns of caja
[12:39] <nemo> pitti: assertion in jp2 decoder - looks like they decided to move thumbnail generation into caja instead of keeping it in a separate process
[12:39] <nemo> presumably for performance
[12:39] <nemo> I mentioned it in #MATE so hopefully someone will fix it soon-ish
[12:39] <nemo> only way to make it stop infinitely crashing and respawning is to move the image off the desktop
[12:41] <nemo> I guess they could change the assertions to just aborting the thumbnail creation, but given how nutty image formats can be, thinking keeping this in a dedicated process might be safer in the long run. ah well.
[12:42] <flexiondotorg> nemo, I am on the MATE team. Whats up.
[12:43] <nemo> flexiondotorg: oh. are you in #MATE ? I mentioned it last night there and has been quiet since
[12:43] <nemo> flexiondotorg: but. what I mentioned above. http://www.fnordware.com/j2k/jp2samples.html
[12:43] <nemo> save the JP2 link to the Desktop results in infinite series of crashes of caja due to an assertion in jp2_dec
[12:43] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[12:44]  * flexiondotorg goes testing in a VM...
[12:44] <nemo> flexiondotorg: I nattered on a bit in there about how screwed up image/video (and audio) decoding can be, and how this is probably best kept out of important user stuff
[12:44] <nemo> flexiondotorg: thumbnailer could be a dedicated process and such
[12:45] <flexiondotorg> nemo, Confirmed.
[12:47] <flexiondotorg> If you save it anywhere and view that folder it will crash Caja. Obvoiusly on the Desktop that create a burning fireball of death.
[12:47] <nemo> flexiondotorg: yeah. I figured anywhere would work too
[12:47] <nemo> flexiondotorg: I'd initially tried gdb --args caja /tmp
[12:47] <nemo> but, was too much of a pain to keep my main caja from taking over
[12:48] <nemo> that's why I dropped by here to find out how to get a trace from apport instead
[12:48] <flexiondotorg> nemo, apport trpped it in my VM.
[12:48] <nemo> yep
[12:50] <smoser> slangasek, wrt semantics of cloud-init-local. i want to block.
[12:50] <smoser> and i think virtual-filesystems would not block.
[12:51] <slangasek> smoser: right; and it doesn't work so well to block both events when one might be dependent on the other
[12:51] <nemo> flexiondotorg: by getting a trace from apport, I mean, I couldn't figure out how to copy a trace out of apport-gtk - that's why I came to #ubuntu-devel  and was told how to find the text in /var/crashes
[12:51] <nemo> er. /var/crash
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> nemo, What thumbnailer is used on your system?
[12:53] <nemo> flexiondotorg: ummmmm.  well, this is caja 1.8.1 so I'm gonna guess that the crash means the thumbnailer is caja
[12:53] <nemo> flexiondotorg: but in older versions and in gnome2, it was a separate process
[12:53] <nemo> gnome thumbnailer or something
[12:53] <smoser> slangasek, but why are they dependenton another ?
[12:53] <smoser> other than /run not existing (which it does).
[12:53] <nemo> flexiondotorg: for a large directory of images there was noticeable lag, probably due to repeated process respawn
[12:53] <nemo> flexiondotorg: I'm guessing that's why they decided to move it in-process
[12:54] <nemo> flexiondotorg: 'course that makes handling bad code a bit more interesting.
[12:54] <nemo> flexiondotorg: a single dedicated process that could be passed urls might be a compromise
[12:54] <smoser> slangasek, this would make sense to me, and i wouldn't have done the thing if it didnt work in intel.
[12:55] <nemo> flexiondotorg: perhaps easier than ensuring all image parsing is rigorous and safe - over the years it seems image parsing is constantly a source of insanity, esp for obscure formats, or effed up ones like TIFF
[12:56] <nemo> flexiondotorg: and, yeah, my recollection from messing around w/ AMP back in the day is that MP3 is just as much of a pain (the headers that is).  HTML is bad too - basically any format w/ a ton of implementers and a bit too broad a spec
[13:05] <barry> lool: this is kind of old, but LP: #1276347
[13:07] <roadmr> cjwatson: hey! I see ldlinux.c32 is now in the utopic netboot directory in archive.ubuntu.com, but according to my tests, 2 more files are also needed libcom32.c32 and libutil.c32, is it possible to also put them there?
[13:08] <cjwatson> roadmr: the Debian bug indicated that that was unnecessary because they are now found by a path search
[13:08] <cjwatson> we should dig into that if it is not in fact true
[13:08] <cjwatson> roadmr: but I cannot deal with this right now, I'm working on releasing 14.10
[13:09] <cjwatson> please hold until later
[13:10] <roadmr> cjwatson: oh ok, I'll test that, and no problem, I can wait. Release yay, thanks!
[13:17] <exarkun> Any chance anyone can comment one way or the other on whether the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1274779 will ever appear in 14.04 or 14.10?
[13:36] <tjaalton> exarkun: what fix? upstream bug says it should be reopened
[13:37] <tjaalton> ah, fixed in 3.17.. you'll have to wait for that
[13:37] <tjaalton> unless the fixes are marked for stable@
[13:46] <exarkun> tjaalton: It sounds like that means it won't be backported.  Is my understanding correct?
[13:46] <exarkun> tjaalton: The fix will appear in whatever release of Ubuntu packages Linux 3.17, and not before?
[13:48] <Pwnna> has anyone have issues with cryptsetup in 14.04?
[13:48] <Pwnna> uhm. 14.10
[13:54] <tjaalton> exarkun: otherwise someone needs to backport it to 3.13/3.16
[14:04] <exarkun> tjaalton: Thanks.
[14:54] <rsalveti> pitti: hey, were you the one complaining about rtm for emulator?
[14:54] <rsalveti> it seems to be broken
[14:55] <rsalveti> unity-system-compositor is a defunct process here
[15:02] <pitti> rsalveti: yeah, we sat next to each other when I noticed :)
[15:02] <pitti> rsalveti: oh sorry, actually not -- that was sergiusens
[15:02] <rsalveti> pitti: yeah :-)
[15:02] <rsalveti> pitti: I think I got what is wrong
[15:02] <pitti> rsalveti: so I used ubuntu utoppic, that one still works (older unity or so)
[15:02] <pitti> rsalveti: in rtm, unity failed with some EGL_BLAH error
[15:02] <rsalveti> pitti: yeah
[15:02] <rsalveti> pitti: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/186134877/glibc_2.19-10ubuntu1_2.19-10ubuntu2.diff.gz
[15:02] <rsalveti> this is the reason
[15:02] <sergiusens> EGL_BAD_MATCH
[15:03] <rsalveti> I'm copying that over to rtm
[15:03] <pitti> 'zactly
[15:03] <pitti> rsalveti: oh, awesome
[15:48] <mdeslaur> slangasek: so, reinstalled and didn't check the "download updates" box, and it still downloaded a whole bunch of updates during install :P
[15:48] <mdeslaur> pretty curious
[15:49] <slangasek> hmmm
[15:49] <mdeslaur> just FYI
[15:49] <mdeslaur> I'll file a bug
[16:26] <slangasek> smoser: so what is the root filesystem device as listed in /etc/fstab, for your success vs. failure cases?
[16:27] <slangasek> smoser: I see root=/dev/vda on the kernel commandline for both, but maybe /etc/fstab differs
[16:27] <slangasek> smoser: in particular, if ppc64el lists something UUID= ish, mountall doesn't resolve that until udev announces the device's presence, which won't happen until virtual-filesystems is emitted
[16:28] <smoser> slangasek, both success and failure
[16:29] <smoser> $ cat /etc/fstab
[16:29] <smoser> LABEL=cloudimg-rootfs   /        ext4   defaults        0 0
[16:30] <smoser> seemingly no change when i 'sed s,LABEL=cloudimg-rootfs,/dev/vda, /etc/fstab'
[16:31] <doko> jamespage, can the neutron-plugin-nuage neutron-plugin-opencontrail neutron-plugin-sriov-agent ceilometer-agent-ipmi be demoted? if not please seed
[16:32] <jamespage> doko, they can indeed
[16:32] <jamespage> be demoted that is
[16:32] <doko> ok
[16:32] <smoser> wait. strike that comment.
[16:33] <smoser> well. i had failed to actualy make the change. but the change doesn't seem to have affect.
[17:46] <zerick> Has anybody used travis-ci.org to build debian packages ?
[17:47] <geofft> zerick: paulproteus has some scripts to use pbuilder at https://github.com/paulproteus/travis-debcheck
[17:47] <geofft> haven't played with them myself. I hear they're incredibly fragile but also work way better than you'd expect
[17:48] <geofft> the use case is automated testing, not actually distributing the packages to anyone.
[17:53] <zerick> I see
[18:03] <slangasek> smoser: hmm ok
[18:05] <smoser> maybe its a rathole.
[18:05] <smoser> but i'm stuck on why this would be different per arch.
[18:05] <smoser> it could just be race condition and luck on intel i guess.
[18:18] <slangasek> smoser: is udev running at the point it gets stuck?
[18:24] <smoser> slangasek, you have a suggestion on how to know that ?
[18:26] <slangasek> smoser: hack the system to open a root shell somewhere that you can get access to it (VT?) in early boot
[18:28] <zbenjamin> tedg: ping
[18:29] <smoser> slangasek, not terribly easily. i'm just going to add a start on started job. and sleep N, then start printing debug info
[18:30] <tedg> zbenjamin, Howdy
[18:52] <slangasek> smoser: so on the x86 machine you're passing 'ro' on the commandline, but not on the power one?
[18:53] <smoser> same on both.
[18:54] <smoser> passing 'rw' "fixes"
[18:55] <smoser> slangasek, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8644088/
[18:55] <pitti> mvo_: I filed bug 1384864 about what we talked about this morning
[18:55] <smoser> that is with 'my-debug.conf' providing the debug output there (http://paste.ubuntu.com/8644091/)
[18:59] <mvo_> pitti: thanks, added and I am running the extraction again
[19:04] <pitti> mvo_: danke!
[19:05] <pitti> infinity: \o/
[22:03] <zbenjamin> tedg: already solved, we talked in the coffee break about the UbuntuAppLaunch python typelib
[22:21] <Mirv> doko: were you interested in gdb bugs as well? my vague memory served me poorly, but the "gcc" bug I mentioned was actually gdb bug #1332484. still there in utopic though, so there's nothing to backport.


[00:19] <Fujitsu> cprov: Is it intended that there are no Contents files for hardy?
[04:18] <mtaylor> bzr branch http://launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel
[04:18] <mtaylor> http://launchpad.net/%7Endb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/ is permanently redirected to https://launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel/
[04:18] <mtaylor> Branched 0 revision(s).
[04:18] <mtaylor> what's that all about?
[04:18] <mtaylor> there are decidedly _not_ 0 revisions there
[04:19] <mtaylor> statik: whatcha doing to me there? ^^^
[04:19] <stdin> you branch from the http://bazaar.launchpad.net not http://launchpad.net
[04:23] <stdin> mtaylor: it even gives you the example "Example: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel"
[04:24] <mtaylor> stdin: yes... but it still gives me the problem if I list the bazaar in the urll
[04:24] <mtaylor> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel
[04:24] <mtaylor> Branched 0 revision(s).
[04:25] <stdin> looks like bazaar (and codebrowse) is down
[04:26] <mtaylor> mmm. nice
[04:26] <Fujitsu> Hm, codebrowse is doing that stupid header thing again.
[04:28] <Fujitsu> On the other hand, it seems to just not like that branch.
[04:29] <stdin> hmm yeah, all my branches are working
[08:06] <thumper> Fujitsu: which branch
[08:07] <Fujitsu> thumper: ~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel
[08:09] <Fujitsu> I noticed you vanished at a very inopportune time.
[08:11] <thumper> Fujitsu: damn internet connection
[08:12]  * thumper looking now
[08:12] <thumper> it seems that the branch has been pushed to the quarantine area
[08:12] <thumper> but somehow the public location has zero revisions
[08:12] <thumper> obviously at some time it had the correct amount
[08:12] <thumper> as the UI shows the revision details
[08:12] <thumper> I'm slightly confused as to why
[08:13] <Fujitsu> codebrowse seems somewhat displeased.
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Why would it go into a quarantine area?
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Or is that just where it is normally stored, but with an odd name?
[08:14] <thumper> sftp is an untrusted protocol
[08:14] <thumper> you can push anything, not just a bzr branch
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Ah, so it's checked there for extra files?
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Right.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> I thought you might have restrictions on top of conch to do that, but I guess that would be non-trivial.
[08:14] <thumper> codebrowse looks at the public location, which seems to be empty
[08:15] <thumper> Fujitsu: right
[08:17] <Fujitsu> Also, why is codebrowse spewing headers at people who try to view that branch? Is Apache getting confused and going into HTTP 0.9 (is that it? I forget) mode?
[08:20] <thumper> Fujitsu: I have no idea why codebrowse is doing that
[08:20] <thumper> Fujitsu: something screwy
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Probably some CherryPy stupidity.
[08:21] <thumper> I'm guessing something like hitting the error before it changes the mime type from text/plain to text/html or somesuch
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Even so, that shouldn't send Apache into that compatibility mode.
[08:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: who says it is apache's fault?  It is doing what it is told if the mime type is text/plain
[08:23] <Fujitsu> thumper: The headers aren't part of HTTP/1.[01] content.
[08:23] <thumper> Fujitsu: good point
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Apache is forwarding all of the headers as content, it would seem.
[08:30] <thumper> mtaylor: you around still?
[08:35] <Fujitsu> thumper: Might it be because it seems to not be sending the linefeed between `HTTP/1.1' and `Date:...'? That looks very strange./
[08:35] <thumper> Fujitsu: maybe
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #180760 in malone ""You might want to talk with..." displayed twice on "Translation setup needed" screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180760
[16:40] <mtaylor> thumper: I'm back now
[16:42] <mtaylor> thumper: I normally use the branch over bzr+ssh and use it reasonably frequently.... did I manage to screw something uo?
[19:49] <frafu> Hello, could anybody please tell me whether it is possible to move a launchpad branch to gnome svn and keep the data (commits) from the branch?
[19:51] <jelmer> bzr-svn's svn-push command should be able to push an existing branch into svn
[19:56] <frafu> jelmer: thanks; I will look into it
[20:26] <thumper> mtaylor: ping
[20:29] <mtaylor> thumper: pong
[20:31] <thumper> mtaylor: for the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel, do you see an error message?
[20:31] <mtaylor> mordred@scylla:/var/www/bundlebuggy/ndb-connectors$ bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ndb-connectors/ndb-connectors/devel devel2
[20:31] <mtaylor> Branched 0 revision(s).
[20:33] <thumper> mtaylor: what I mean, is if you go to the launchpad page, can you see an error message
[20:33] <_flx> Can Launchpad be used for a closed source project (aka a compagny dev.) ?
[20:33] <mtaylor> ook
[20:33] <thumper> _fix: it depends
[20:33] <mtaylor> thumper: no.
[20:33] <thumper> hmm...
[20:34] <mtaylor> thumper: but it _does_ redirect me to code.edge.launchpad.net
[20:34] <_flx> thumper, it depends on what ?
[20:34] <mtaylor> since I'm a bt
[20:34] <thumper> mtaylor: ok
[20:34] <mtaylor> lemme turn that off for a sec
[20:34] <thumper> mtaylor: that won't make any difference
[20:35] <mtaylor> thumper: you're right. no difference
[20:35] <mtaylor> thumper: I do show 387 revs there, as expected. :)
[20:35] <thumper> _fix: I think there is something on the http://help.launchpad.net about this
[20:35] <thumper> mtaylor: is it possible for you to commit something to the branch and repush?
[20:36] <mtaylor> _flx: I don't believe that non-open source projects are allowed on lp
[20:36] <_flx> mtaylor, What about the possibility of a closed license ? It is avaiable via lp
[20:37] <mtaylor> _flx: I've _heard_ (mind you, I don't work at canonical, so I'm just a rumor monger) that they want to be able to provide that
[20:37] <mtaylor> _flx: but I don't believe it's offered yet
[20:37] <mtaylor> _flx: and I _could_ just be smoking crack
[20:37] <thumper> mtaylor: no, you are on the good stuff
[20:37] <_flx> mtaylor, I see. I was just wondering. And you should really stop the crack stuff, its bad for you ;)
[20:38] <mtaylor> _flx: but it tastes so good!
[20:38] <mtaylor> _flx: bug statik if you actually see him around here
[20:38] <_flx> mtaylor, thx
[20:39] <mtaylor> or bdfl :)
[20:41] <thumper> mtaylor: that'd be sabdfl
[20:42] <mtaylor> oh right
[20:42] <mtaylor> I always forget the sa part
[20:42] <mtaylor> not a very omniscient sabadfl if he's not here on the weekend!
[20:42] <thumper> mtaylor: so, can you push a new revision?
[20:42] <mtaylor> thumper: sure
[20:42] <thumper> mtaylor: thanks
[20:44] <mtaylor> thumper: pushed.
[20:44] <thumper> mtaylor: thanks
[20:44] <mtaylor> thumper: oh... that shows pushed up to 408
[20:44] <mtaylor> thumper: but I'm only showing 387 on code.
[20:45] <thumper> mtaylor: right, I know the reason for that
[20:45] <mtaylor> ok
[21:01] <lifeless> thumper: btw, bzr is about to get new disk formats; officially supported development versions; running bzr.dev++
[21:07] <thumper> mtaylor: can you run 'bzr check' on your local copy of the branch?
[21:08] <mtaylor> thumper: running
[21:09] <thumper> mtaylor: it appears that somehow the branch on launchpad got corrupt
[21:09] <mtaylor> nice
[21:09] <thumper> mtaylor: and I'm trying to figure out where in the chain it happened
[21:10] <mtaylor> will bzr check report errors it finds? or just fix them?
[21:10] <thumper> mtaylor: I believe it just reports them
[21:10] <thumper> mtaylor: I /think/ that 'bzr reconcile' fixes
[21:11] <thumper> mtaylor: getting anything?
[21:13] <mtaylor> checked branch file:///home/mtaylor/src/ndb-connectors/devel/ format Bazaar Branch Format 6 (bzr 0.15)
[21:13] <mtaylor> checked repository <bzrlib.transport.local.LocalTransport url=file:///home/mtaylor/src/ndb-connectors/> format <RepositoryFormatKnit1>
[21:13] <mtaylor>    651 revisions
[21:13] <mtaylor>   4103 file-ids
[21:13] <mtaylor>   6288 unique file texts
[21:13] <mtaylor> 1031669 repeated file texts
[21:13] <mtaylor>    106 unreferenced text versions
[21:13] <mtaylor>     67 inconsistent parents
[21:13] <thumper> hmm..
[21:14] <lifeless> thumper: check for that file but with a broken name ;)
[21:15] <thumper> mtaylor: before I attempt anything, can you confirm for me that no other ndb-connecter person will try to push to this branch
[21:15] <mtaylor> thumper: no one will push
[21:15] <thumper> mtaylor: do you have the file<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[21:16] <mtaylor> yes
[21:16] <thumper> mtaylor: ok, this file is missing on codehosting
[21:17] <mtaylor> hm
[21:17] <mtaylor> dare I ask why there's an svn in the name?
[21:18] <mtaylor> or is that just coincidence
[21:18] <lifeless> thumper: have you looked for .bzr/repository/knits/5f/svn-v2*.kndx ?
[21:18] <thumper> mtaylor: I have no idea
[21:18] <lifeless> mtaylor: file id namespacing in bzr-svn
[21:19] <thumper> lifeless: nothing like svn-v2*
[21:19] <lifeless> ok freaking bizarre
[21:19] <lifeless> I suggest just moving the .bzr directory out of the way and having mtaylor push again
[21:19] <mtaylor> I have two of them here
[21:20] <thumper> lifeless: my thought too
[21:20]  * thumper doing now
[21:20] <thumper> mtaylor: can you repush the branch using bzr+ssh?
[21:20] <lifeless> really weird; perhaps have jml or someone look at the dir and logs and try to figure out what happened
[21:20] <thumper> mtaylor: it might take a little time
[21:20] <mtaylor> yup
[21:21] <thumper> lifeless: kind of hard as we don't know when it happened
[21:21] <mtaylor> thumper: I have another branch ... telco-6.3... will I need to do the same for it?
[21:21] <mtaylor> pushing devel
[21:21] <thumper> mtaylor: is it having the same problems?
[21:21] <mtaylor> thumper: I think so... lemme check
[21:22] <mtaylor> nope.
[21:22] <mtaylor> it's fine
[21:23] <mtaylor> is lp using shared repositories? or just straight-up branches
[21:23] <mtaylor> ?
[21:24] <thumper> mtaylor: right now, stand alone branches
[21:24] <thumper> mtaylor: which means each branch has its own repo
[21:25] <thumper> mtaylor: we are working on changing this to make it faster and smaller
[21:25] <mtaylor> that'll probably take some burden off the lp servers
[21:25] <thumper> mtaylor: yeah
[21:26] <thumper> mtaylor: let me know when your branch has finished pushing
[21:26] <mtaylor> will do
[22:25] <thumper> mtaylor: your branch is fixed now
[22:25] <mtaylor> thumper: w00t! it's finished
[22:26] <thumper> mtaylor: if you encounter this again, please let me know
[22:26] <mtaylor> thumper: hey look at that, it's actually branching :)
[22:26] <mtaylor> thanks!
[22:26] <thumper> np
[22:27] <thumper> mtaylor: do you know that you should be able to branch using lp:ndb-connectors
[22:27] <mtaylor> thumper: yes. it was actually trying that out that pointed me to this problem.
[22:27] <thumper> ok
[22:53] <sivang> hi all
[22:53] <sivang> has anyone seen kiko lately?
[22:54] <poolie> hi
[22:54] <poolie> not today
[22:54] <sivang> hey poolie
[22:54] <sivang> poolie: hot in brazil ?
[22:54] <poolie> i don't know, i live in australia :)
[22:54] <poolie> but i expect so
[22:55] <jelmer> lucky southern hemisphere people :-)


[00:05] <ashafq> Has anyone able to feed gnome-calendar with iCloud account?
[01:42] <chico_> So, how does this work?
[01:43] <sarnold> just like that :)
[01:43] <sarnold> you ask a question and hang out for a while and if someone knows, they'll reply
[01:44] <chico_> got it, thanks! :)
[01:52] <chico_> App images(like or dislike)?
[01:53] <sarnold> they're usually big blobs of binary things supplied by someone else, i'm not a fan
[01:53] <sarnold> but loads of people seem to like them, so maybe i'm in the wrong on this
[01:55] <chico_> True, I use them but it's because I can store them on usb to save hard drive space without the need of installing from deb
[01:55] <rbox> i like big blobs and i can not lie
[01:56] <sarnold> app images usually bundle all their libraries etc.. a deb will probably re-use *some* of the libraries you've already got installed
[01:56] <leftyfb> chico_: this more of a support channel. If you would like to have other discussions, feel free to /join #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:56] <sarnold> rbox: hehe
[02:00] <chico_> ok,guess this is as bad as askubuntu
[02:30] <mrcoffee> Hi there
[02:30] <mrcoffee> Booting in ubuntu using a previous kernel fixed the issue.
[02:30] <mrcoffee> Still would be cool to be able to use tha latest one.
[02:30] <mrcoffee> Guess its in the works.
[02:47] <Guest3913> I am trying to setup a VPN for the first time in Ubuntu Studio, anyone familiar with how to do this?
[04:35] <sem> Do you have all the info needed to connect?
[05:06] <P1ro> Hi, i was messing with limits.conf and 99-sysctl.conf, i lose access over local keyboard, any user or even root, i can only access tru ssh and user, but sudo su dont work ( su: cannot open session: Cannot make/remove an entry for the specified session ) i can sudo -i or sudo root /bin/bash, i set all files back to default (from a backup) but i cant still access local, only ss and still cant "sudo su"
[05:06] <P1ro> also try to create a new user, but same issue
[05:14] <sem> Can you backup data and reinstall?
[05:15] <P1ro> sem: yes i could, but i wanna know why this is happening
[05:23] <sem> I am not smart enough to know ... Maybe if you describe it on askubuntu more people will get a chance to see it P1ro
[05:23] <P1ro> sem using ubuntu
[06:21] <Menzador> P1ro: Why do you want to do [ sudo su ]?
[06:22] <P1ro> Menzador: is not all about sudo su, its about the issue, whici is not letting me login from local
[06:22] <P1ro> only tru ssh
[06:23] <Menzador> Why did you mess with limits.conf and 99-sysctl.conf?
[06:23] <Menzador> What was your intent?
[06:23] <P1ro> im doing stress test
[06:25] <Menzador> If you're just doing a CPU stress test, mprime would've done the trick
[06:27] <Menzador> At any rate, if you still have SSH access to the system, as a user in the sudo group, you may be able to restore things as they were
[06:33] <Menzador> I assume this persists across a reboot?
[06:36] <P1ro> Menzador: yes, persist atfer reboots
[06:37] <P1ro> Menzador: yes, i can access with ssh and sudo -i or sudo -u root /bin/bash
[06:38] <Menzador> And you said you restored the original configuration files from a backup, correct?
[06:39] <P1ro> Menzador: yes, i have commented the lines i have changed in the past, still trying to figure if there is something i have restore, even made a python script to compare files with backup
[08:20] <bleusman> can i have my money back ?
[08:21] <bleusman> a compensation for all the ciggarets i smoked and coffee i drank to understand this web
[08:45] <webchat60> hi
[08:45] <webchat60> I want to report a problem in latest ubuntu
[08:48] <CosmicDJ> webchat60: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> webchat60: we strongly reccomend to describe your issue here in the chat first before filing bugs
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> webchat60: please also mention your ubuntu release
[10:26] <antid> is there a way to use the altgr keyboard layout where I compose stuff like è only when I am holding altgr+` instead of just pressing `?
[10:26] <antid> ideally, I can press ´s to get 's and then altgr+' then s to get ś
[10:27] <antid> I think I have this set up on my other computer, but I'm not sure how I did it
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> antid: you want to map keys to something else?
[10:51] <antid> I don't think so. I just want altgr to be an 'activating key' for dead keys
[10:52] <antid> I have this set up not in gnome on another computer, but it seems like the US intl. dead keys and US alt intl. keyboard layouts don't match what I was expecting
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> antid: so you want to remap a dead key to altgr right?
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> make it work again
[12:28] <ph88^> I'm trying to make a systemd timer these are the files i have created https://bpa.st/ZIHA i have put the systemd .service and .timer file in /etc/systemd/system  I don't see the timer show up when i do systemctl list-timers   how can i install the timer correctly so that it shows up and runs?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | ph88^
[13:29] <Guest44> I fresh installed ubuntu-server 22.04 lts. After installing nvidia drivers with one gpu everything worked ok. After adding another three my boot gets stuck. "i915 0000:00:02:0: enabling device (0000 -> 0003)"
[13:29] <Guest44> And doesnt move anywhere, what to do ?
[13:30] <Guest44> if I add "nomodeset" to grub config I can boot the server but it doesnt have a functioning network manager
[13:30] <Guest44>  no internet
[13:35] <CosmicDJ> another three what? drivers? gpu cards?
[13:40] <Guest44> gpu cards
[13:42] <Guest6254> hi
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:43] <Guest6254> hi
[13:43] <Guest6254> whats up
[14:02] <Guest44> ok strangely it started working after bios update, even though there was no mention of i915 there just  uefi vuln fixes in description
[14:03] <Guest44> man fixing things is like black magic sometimes
[14:03] <Guest44> black as in black box
[14:21] <peirik> Is it possible to exempt files from certain directories from being included in recorded file history? I know I can disable file history completely in Settings->Privacy, but I would like to be able to say that any files accessed under /some/path should not be recorded/logged.
[15:11] <Walex> peirik: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1292868/how-to-exclude-certain-file-types-or-paths-from-recently-used-files-recent
[15:21] <peirik> Walex: thanks, so it doesn't seem to be possible? but it was before? thats too bad
[15:56] <ravage> just for the record: tracker should respect a .trackerignore file and not index that directory. works like a .gitignore file
[16:43] <xrandr> Hello. I was wondering if anyone can help me create a XFS filesystem ontop of a ZFS pool. I am using Ubuntu 22.4
[16:44] <ravage> That sounds like a not so great idea. But what is the problem?
[16:45] <xrandr> I have a storage server that has 7 3.84 TB drives in it. I created a zpool with the drives in it as a RAIDZ2. I need to install XFS over it so that Veeam can use its fast cloning ability\
[16:49] <ravage> zfs create -s -V 50G ssd/xfs_data; mkfs.xfs /dev/zvol/ssd/xfs_data
[16:50] <ravage> ssd is the pool name. and you maybe want a different size
[16:51] <ravage> also -s is sparse. so if you want to really reserve the whole space dont use that
[17:06] <xrandr> thank you
[17:09] <ashafq> Is Gnome calendar default on Ubuntu 24.04?
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> !next | ashafq
[17:10] <oerheks> yes, gnome calendar is available standard for years now
[17:10] <oerheks> but lotuspsychje is correct, join #next for support
[17:10] <leftyfb> ashafq: you were told 3 days ago to seek support for unreleased versions of ubuntu in #ubuntu-next. It was also recommended not to install it unless you are interested in finding and reporting bugs
[17:12]  * oerheks makes a note
[17:24] <ashafq> Did anyone make Gnome calendar work with iCloud account?
[17:24] <ashafq> leftyfb, thanks for your reply.
[17:25] <leftyfb> ashafq: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/nzi1p1/comment/h1pm2td/
[17:25] <leftyfb> not sure if it works
[17:25] <ashafq> leftyfb, I saw that tutorial and that did not work.
[17:25] <leftyfb> ashafq: personally, I don't use the icloud calendar, I add my google calendars to my iphone as good is more portable
[17:26] <leftyfb> good/google
[17:29] <oerheks> iCloud offers a CalDAV format, so yes
[17:31] <ashafq> oerheks: it's been crashing my gnome calendar. Maybe I should update it or compile a newer version?
[17:32] <oerheks> update what ubuntu version?
[17:32] <leftyfb> ashafq: first test the URL you have on another client. See if it works before assuming the issue is with gnome calendar
[17:32] <ashafq> leftyfb: works on thunderbird.
[17:32] <oerheks> also evolution works with icloud calendar.
[17:33] <leftyfb> then I would file a bug with gnome calendar
[17:34] <xrandr> ravage: you are awesome. Thank you so much!
[17:35] <ashafq> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/tags/41.2 this is the version I have installed.
[17:35] <ashafq> I doubt I can just update gnome-calendar without updating Gnome
[17:35] <ravage> https://snapcraft.io/gnome-calendar
[17:36] <leftyfb> ashafq: I would first look at the later versions to see if the bug has even been addressed
[17:36] <oerheks> 41.2 kinetic?
[17:36] <leftyfb> 41.2-3 is jammy
[17:36] <leftyfb> the snap is 44.1
[17:36] <ravage> or 45.1
[17:37] <leftyfb> edge channel?
[17:37] <ravage> candidate
[17:38] <leftyfb> I don't think the snap is going to work
[18:46] <Jantz> Hi guys sup hows it going? Whats cooking?
[18:46] <oerheks> :-)
[18:50] <gtoyman22> working on a GUI glanscan in PyGTK4.
[18:54] <Jantz> front end noice tonnes of args and params yeah?
[18:55] <gtoyman22> it only uses 10% shell command code, rest is python3
[18:56] <gtoyman22> https://ibb.co/ZSPK03S
[18:56] <gtoyman22> https://github.com/sprokkel78/glanscan
[19:00] <Jantz> python nice yeah I went to a pycon when I first started programming holy moly that blew my mind
[19:00] <oerheks> !ot
[19:00] <Jantz> Ubuntu C kernel or hybrid?
[19:07] <itai> Can we prune, delete unused snap packages? Snap keeps several versions of some packages.
[19:09] <oerheks> itai, yes you can, limit it to 2 versions >> sudo snap set system refresh.retain=2
[19:09] <oerheks> or 1, go wild?
[19:09] <oerheks> i would keep it at 2
[19:10] <ashafq> anyone know about this package?
[19:10] <ashafq> libedataserverui4-1.0-dev
[19:10] <oerheks> !find libedataserverui4-1.0-dev
[19:11] <itai> oerheks: thank you. after that I should run 'snap refresh'
[19:11] <oerheks> google launchpad?
[19:11] <oerheks> itai, yes, or run the update gui
[19:11] <itai> we don't have an autoremove command.
[19:11] <itai> oerheks: thanks ;)
[19:11] <ashafq> !find libedataserverui4-1.0
[19:12] <ashafq> How do I install it?
[19:12] <oerheks> where did you read that ashafq ?
[19:13] <ashafq> oerheks: Trying to build gnome-calendar from source
[19:13] <ashafq> and it needs that library
[19:13] <oerheks> it is not in our repos
[19:14] <oerheks> err it is
[19:14] <ashafq> https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar-updates/i386/libs/libedataserverui4-1.0-0 is this in the next release?
[19:14] <oerheks> !find libedataserverui4-1.0-dev mantic
[19:15] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/mantic/amd64/libedataserverui4-1.0-0
[19:16] <ashafq> I see
[23:41] <oerheks> ♥


[19:09] <zph1nx> im having problems providing an rc.local script via cloud-init on an ubuntu 20.04.6 installation, for some reason the file does not show up in the finished install https://pastebin.com/QwE9NQ4z
[19:15] <dbungert> zph1nx: this looks like a Subiquity issue and should generally be discussed in #ubuntu-server instead of here.  Mind that you need to be writing files under /target to have them end up on the system being installed, on quick look I think that's the problem.


[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[12:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs?,, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:45] <TengokuNoIsan> Morning
[14:34] <InHisName> Mawnin'
[14:50] <TengokuNoIsan> $UNI denying my cybersecurity degree.  Course I took got split into two courses, and now they want me to retake BOTH >.<
[16:54] <InHisName> The first take was of too poor of a grade is why they are demanding a retake ?  If so, then the replacement applies. Hey! its more education. Get all the gusto you can get. Smarter is better.
[16:59] <TengokuNoIsan> No.  Had a 4.0 in the class.  They split the class and are demanding everyone retake >.<
[18:24] <InHisName> if it is 5th year course, they should have allowed up to 12 months with old course counting. If 3rd year (Junior) should have been valid for grad for at least 24 months maybe 36. Then Poof! should be allowed. Announced at beginning of switch.
[18:35] <SmokedTurkey> TengokuNoIsan: that's horribl
[18:35] <SmokedTurkey> which school is it?
[19:47] <TengokuNoIsan> Cumberland County College