[03:29] <magn3ts> What impact will Wayland have on technologies like X  forwarding or NX?
[03:36] <Tekno_> what.
[03:37] <magn3ts> Will theree be similar technologies with Wayland?
[12:28] <GoldenFish4U> I'd like to propose something for Unity Desktop. Can you put the titlebar and menubar in the top panel when a window is maximized, and leave em out if a window is not maximized?
[12:29] <GoldenFish4U> That would be the best way of bringing Unity to the Desktop imo
[12:45] <Q-FUNK> hi! are packages suddely shipping without changelog on purpose?
[14:11] <diegoviola> hi
[14:11] <diegoviola> will canonical invest in wayland development?
[14:11] <diegoviola> i've seen mark's post but by looking at the wayland git repo it seems that there are only a few devs
[14:12] <TecnicoDPC> Hi From Puerto Rico
[14:12] <diegoviola> hi
[14:14] <diegoviola> anyone?
[14:15] <Chat1446> hi
[14:43] <bjsnider> diegoviola, i believe it explicitly says so in the post
[14:44] <diegoviola> nice
[14:44] <diegoviola> Mark is my hero
[14:56] <diegoviola> the problems might be with nvidia/ati/amd to make new drivers
[14:56] <diegoviola> someone asked aaronp from #nvidia yesterday and he said it's not going to happen soon
[17:46] <diegoviola> how canonical will take care of this?
[17:59] <flushmaster> ubuntu sucks
[18:00] <flushmaster> I had to use it recently, and it was rubbish
[18:00] <flushmaster> is there a new GUI coming out soon?
[18:03] <yofel> flushmaster: tried unity? There are also other desktop environments like KDE, Xfce and Lxde if you want to try them
[18:06] <flushmaster> oo
[18:07] <flushmaster> ill check unity out
[18:07] <flushmaster> cheers for that
[18:07] <flushmaster> guess thats what happens when u become an MS monkey like me
[18:23] <bjsnider> flushmaster, i guess you don't work in canonical's marketing department.
[18:44] <jalexbrown> Can anyone here give me some input on how I can start towards making my own Ubuntu fork?
[18:45] <penguin42> jalexbrown: You could try http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives
[18:46] <jalexbrown> I'm looking to make a fork of Ubuntu with a focus on gaming...maybe using LXDE.
[18:49] <jalexbrown> Thanks for the site, Penguin.  It's cool to see the derivatives that exist right now.
[19:46] <bjsnider> isn't there already a gaming derivative of ubuntu?


[11:54] <benjaoming> Heya, is there a sysop that would be able to look into "OOPS-35d6453724aa3422a94066b42dbbc86b" ? I've had problems copying a specific package for a couple of days now.
[11:57] <cjwatson> Ah.  That will be a fun one.
[11:58] <cjwatson> Let me dig up the bug explaining that case
[11:59] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1475358
[12:00] <cjwatson> benjaoming: Could you save me some fiddly queries and point me to the PPA and the package you're trying to copy?
[12:01] <benjaoming> cjwatson: thanks, yes it's this package: https://launchpad.net/%7Elearningequality/+archive/ubuntu/ka-lite-proposed/+sourcepub/6389034/+listing-archive-extra
[12:01] <benjaoming> Am trying to copy from "ka-lite-proposed" to "ka-lite"
[12:02] <cjwatson> Right, as expected there are multiple diffs there.
[12:02] <wgrant> Why have three DB patches tonight when we can have four!
[12:03] <cjwatson> Well, we'll have to clean up the duplicates first ...
[12:03] <wgrant> Indeed, but that is a simple query.
[12:04] <cjwatson> This is the wgrant version of simple that involves window expressions?
[12:05] <cjwatson> Also it's not clear whether we can put the DB constraint in place when the code is still racy.
[12:07] <cjwatson> Without something like the tweak I suggest towards the end of that bug description I think just having the constraint would result in failed copies.
[12:07] <benjaoming> cjwatson: thanks for looking into it! I take it that the linked bug report is possibly the one that causes this, should I just subscribe to it and suppose it's wrapped up soon? For now, it just means that there's no Trusty version of out package.. I could also bump the version and build a new if the wait is long.
[12:07] <wgrant> launchpad_dogfood=# DELETE FROM packagediff USING (SELECT from_source, to_source, MIN(id) FROM packagediff GROUP BY from_source, to_source HAVING count(*) > 1) AS duplicates WHERE duplicates.from_source = packagediff.from_source AND duplicates.to_source = packagediff.to_source AND id != duplicates.min;
[12:07] <wgrant> DELETE 106
[12:08] <wgrant> cjwatson: No window functions required, unless that's required.
[12:08] <cjwatson> Fair enough :)
[12:08] <cjwatson> benjaoming: Right, it's definitely the same bug.  We'll try to sort it out soon, but failing that, a fresh upload is a workaround.
[12:08] <wgrant> Indeed, it would could racing copies to fail, but better than corrupting DB state. Copies should be fixed to retry on conflicts anyway.
[12:09] <cjwatson> This isn't a conflict as such though, it's just PackageDiffAlreadyRequested in a different form.
[12:09] <cjwatson> Does my slightly grotty IntegrityError suggestion sound reasonable?
[12:09] <wgrant> I haven't read the bug all the way through, let me see.
[12:10] <wgrant> cjwatson: That sort of solution is quite awkward, as the integrityerror will abort the whole transaction.
[12:10] <wgrant> The solution in the webapp is just to retry the whole operation a couple of times.
[12:10] <cjwatson> Maybe the existing places where we use that are with very short transactions.  Or maybe they're broken.
[12:10] <wgrant> I've removed a few of them over the years.
[12:11] <wgrant> eg. there was a great confusing librarian race which would manifest as a "you can't have a / in a filename" exception, because it blindly caught IntegrityError when other changes could be flushed as well.
[12:11] <wgrant> Catching IntegrityError in normal code is almost always wrong, unless you're explicitly managing transactions carefully.
[12:11] <wgrant> garbo is the only remaining non-infra code that catches it, AFAICS.
[12:12] <cjwatson> I guess this is the not at all scary LaunchpadBrowserPublication.handleException
[12:12] <wgrant> Grepping for "Retry" should find it.
[12:12] <wgrant> And you are correct.
[12:12] <cjwatson> Oh, right, I filed that bug before r17764.
[12:12] <wgrant> Jobrunners already know how to retry on some exceptions.
[12:12] <wgrant> eg. AdvisoryLockHeld
[12:14] <wgrant> cjwatson: So I'm tempted to fix the data now, fix the schema when I get all the other hot patches applied tomorrow, and live with the very occasional copy crashing rather than making future copies crash.
[12:14] <cjwatson> It's certainly a better failure mode.
[12:14] <cjwatson> But we should leave the bug open because the incidence rate will be basically equal to the current one, just changed in form.
[12:14] <wgrant> It's very similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/682692, but that one needs much more complicated DB surgery.
[12:15] <wgrant> Indeed, the bug should remain open, but the key difference is that you can fix the new failure mode by simply retrying.
[12:39] <wgrant> benjaoming: That copy should work now.
[12:39] <wgrant> We've repaired the data.
[12:40] <benjaoming> wgrant: great! let me try it out immediately!
[12:48] <benjaoming> wgrant, cjwatson: it worked, thanks so much!
[12:48] <wgrant> benjaoming: Great, thanks for confirming.
[19:16] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~carlfk/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages    Builds                      amd64                - Pending publication             Note: Some binary packages for this source are not yet published in the     repository.
[19:16] <teward> CarlFK: that's normal?
[19:16] <CarlFK> how long does that take?
[19:17] <CarlFK> wondering if now is a good time to get lunch
[19:17] <teward> CarlFK: um, why would taking lunch have an impact?
[19:17] <teward> if it's successfully built, and is pending publishing, go get food
[19:17] <teward> applaud yourself
[19:21] <CarlFK> if it is a few min, I'll wait and see what I run into next, wich may mean I send an email and wait an hour.. which would be a better time to eat
[19:22] <teward> CarlFK: i don't understand your developer process here.  pending publication is not something I can really gauge, though I"ve never seen it be more than 15 minutes unless there's something evil going on
[19:23] <CarlFK> that's what I was hoping for
[19:51] <cjwatson> CarlFK: it's on the order of 10-20 minutes
[19:51] <cjwatson> the publisher is not the fastest thing on the planet and there are a lot of PPAs
[19:52] <CarlFK> no complaints.  I think the whole ppa thing is fantastic.
[19:53] <cjwatson> well, I'd love for it to be not intrinsically bound to a single machine, which is kind of the source of lots of the problems.  Maybe later this year
[19:53] <CarlFK> I was just evangelizing it to a friend a few days ago.  he builds .deb and then uses file system things to get them onto the target box
[19:53] <CarlFK> usb stick would not surprise me
[19:54] <CarlFK> or email to the other developer
[21:06] <teward> can someone take a look at OOPS-0a1448e0ecb45e3d5e9fe97cc39f71d5 and tell me why a ppa package copy failed?
[21:06] <teward> and if i need to worry about it


[11:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[19:17] <Cantthink> downloaded a source code i opened the install file i need specific programs to run the program how do i check for the software in terminal
[19:26] <genii> apt-cache search
[19:28] <Cantthink> thanks again


[06:56] <Merlijn_S> Hi! Anyone here has experience with charm compose?
[11:38] <apuimedo> lazypower: gnuoy`: jamespag`: https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charm-helpers/midonet/+merge/273678
[11:39] <apuimedo> IIUC I have to get this merged and then sync it to the development branches of the Openstack charms
[11:39] <apuimedo> then send the necessary patches for those, right?
[12:18] <mattyw> beisner, ping?
[12:35] <jamespag`> apuimedo, yah - looking now
[12:37] <jamespag`> apuimedo, lgtm - landed
[12:39] <apuimedo> thanks!
[12:40] <apuimedo> jamespag`: much appreciated ;-)
[12:58] <apuimedo> jamespag`: gnuoy`: lp:~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/next /charm-helpers-hooks.yaml points to lp:charm-helpers branch
[12:59] <apuimedo> how am I supposed to make the sync?
[12:59] <apuimedo> I guess I can't just change /charm-helpers-hooks.yaml to the
[12:59] <apuimedo> nevermind...
[13:00] <apuimedo> I should look closer, it is already there :P
[13:01] <apuimedo> so I'll do a `make sync`
[13:10] <jamespag`> apuimedo, you got it
[13:10] <apuimedo> it's sad because I had already done it
[13:10] <apuimedo> I for some reason thought there was a lp:charm-helpers/next for a second
[13:17] <beisner> mattyw, pong
[13:20] <mattyw> beisner, hey ther, just regarding the mongodb review
[13:20] <mattyw> beisner, I decided to move most of the common code in dump and restore into a python file - that way I can make some proper unit tests out of it
[13:20] <mattyw> beisner, just wanted to check you were ok with that approach
[13:20] <beisner> mattyw, yep, even better imho :)
[13:27] <beisner> mattyw, marcoceppi aisrael ^ ?
[13:36] <aisrael> mattyw: I think that's fine, as long as you're not symlinking to it. More testing is always better.
[14:09] <beisner> coreycb, on a landing streak i see - thanks for that.  fyi, i've raised this re: the unrelated fails in n-c-c and n-c, and will be looking at adding api checks ahead of the gimme-an-instance tests.  bug 1503701
[14:09] <mup> Bug #1503701: amulet test for new instance needs resilience <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <nova-cloud-controller (Juju Charms Collection):New> <nova-compute (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503701>
[14:14] <beisner> coreycb, and for n-g - bug 1503706
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1503706: amulet test for create network needs resilience <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <neutron-gateway (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503706>
[14:21] <coreycb> beisner, ok.  are those fixes needed for the current amulet failures?
[14:22] <beisner> coreycb, they're races
[14:23] <beisner> coreycb, under load, the overcloud isn't quiesced, and the tests blindly say:  create an instance;  or create a network.
[14:23] <coreycb> beisner, btw reviewing your mps got me wondering if we can figure out a way to have some global files in c-h or wherever our code lands after c-h (e.g Makefile, tests/00-setup, etc)
[14:23] <beisner> coreycb, ie we have passing tests at the same revs
[14:24] <beisner> coreycb, yeah ditto.  there are a couple of exceptions, where os api client isn't in helpers, but only in the local tests.  ceilometer / ceilometer-agent are two.
[14:25] <beisner> beisner, the tests.yaml file will still need to be present for bundletester to parse, so i'm not sure we have a c-h way out of maintaining that.
[14:25] <beisner> coreycb, definitely wanna centralize that somehow though
[14:26] <coreycb> beisner, do you need a hand with those bug fixes?
[14:28] <beisner> coreycb, i think a check-wait-loop-timeout api check just ahead of the create-stuff.  much like this:
[14:28] <beisner> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charm-helpers/charm-helpers/devel/view/head:/charmhelpers/contrib/openstack/amulet/utils.py#L485
[14:29] <beisner> nova and neutron need that sort of love
[14:29] <beisner> i've not started into it, but yeah if you've got  cycles and want to tackle that, that'd be awesome
[14:30] <beisner> instead of waiting on an object's status, we need to try/except and api connection and query.
[14:31] <coreycb> beisner, lemme know the priority, cause yeah that cycles thing :)
[14:32] <beisner> coreycb, atm it's just a nagging race, but as you saw in that batch, causes false failures, which causes us to re-run and tie up a test slave for another 2hrs.  and we may still have a race false/fail even with that.
[14:33] <beisner> coreycb, it's a priority from my perspective, because of that (tying up test resources 2 or 3 times to eek out a solid run).
[14:34] <coreycb> beisner, ok
[14:43] <jamespage> thedac, gnuoy`:
[14:43] <jamespage> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/ceph/status/+merge/273635
[14:43] <jamespage> and
[14:43] <jamespage> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/ceph-osd/status/+merge/273634
[14:43] <thedac> jamespage: great. I'll take a look today
[14:44] <thedac> \o/
[14:44] <jamespage> thedac, I've tested them out - they work OK
[14:44] <thedac> cool
[14:44] <jamespage> thedac, the only bit that's missing is the device detection in ceph
[14:44] <jamespage> I'll work on that today - but feedback appreicated
[14:44]  * thedac nods
[14:45] <jamespage> beisner, hey - can we get dnspython installed on the unit testing envs for osci:
[14:45] <jamespage> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12702241/
[14:46] <beisner> jamespage, oo yuck the unit test is trying to apt-get install something?
[14:46] <jamespage> beisner, well the charm-helper is trying to install dnspython cause it can't import it
[14:46] <jamespage> its on of the try: import: catch: install re-import things
[14:51] <beisner> jamespage, jenkins@juju-osci-machine-7:~$ apt-cache policy python-dns
[14:51] <beisner> python-dns:
[14:51] <beisner>   Installed: 2.3.6-3
[14:51] <beisner> somethine else must be amiss
[14:52] <jamespage> beisner: python-dnspython
[14:55] <beisner> jamespage, ok now, reran, passing results @
[14:55] <beisner> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/ceph-osd/status/+merge/273634
[14:55] <beisner> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/ceph/status/+merge/273635
[14:55] <jamespage> beisner, awesome
[14:55] <jamespage> thanks
[14:56] <beisner> jamespage, yw
[14:56] <jamespage> beisner, probably cause we've not really got unit tests in the ceph charms this popped up when I wrote some :-)
[14:56] <jamespage> when does cholcombe typically appear?  want to ensure I'm not stepping on his toes with my status proposals.
[14:57] <beisner> jamespage, yeah, osd had 0.  so, yay!
[14:57] <jamespage> beisner, my new tests are surgical - but made me feel better...
[15:20] <apuimedo> jamespage: for the nova-cloud-controller changes
[15:20] <apuimedo> when proposing for merging
[15:21] <apuimedo> I should taget the branch: lp:~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/next and put you as a reviewer, right?
[15:21] <apuimedo> I'm getting a message
[15:22] <apuimedo> jamespage: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12705281/
[15:22] <apuimedo> I'm getting the same for gnuoy`
[15:30] <Merlijn_S_> Quick question: the charmhelpers.core.host.chownr function doesn't chown the supplied dir itself, only its children. Is this intentional? Seems strange to me..
[15:35] <mattyw> beisner, marcoceppi I've updated the mongodb actions suggestions https://code.launchpad.net/~mattyw/charms/trusty/mongodb/mongodb-backup/+merge/273544
[15:45] <apuimedo> jamespage: gnuoy`: coreycb: why is nova-compute/next charm-helpers-hooks.yaml pointing to lp:~hopem/charm-helpers/add-rbd-cache-config-support ?
[15:45] <apuimedo> shouldn't lp:~hopem/charm-helpers/add-rbd-cache-config-support have proposed a merge againts lp:charm-helpers and then nova-compute/next keep pointing to lp:charm-helpers?
[15:45] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, a mistake, should lp:charm-helpers
[15:46] <apuimedo> gnuoy`: so... Can I fix it and send it with my merge request?
[15:46] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, I'll fix it it was probably my error at review time
[15:47] <apuimedo> gnuoy`: ok, I wait for that to sync and put my changes
[15:47] <apuimedo> gnuoy`: did you see my question above about the target branch for nova-cloud-controller and the message I get from launchpad?
[15:48] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, otp, but will look
[15:49] <mattyw> marcoceppi, does UOSCI need updating with a charmhelps that supports the latest action functions? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12705419/
[15:50] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, charm-helpers-hooks.yaml should be fixed
[15:50] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, yes, targey lp:~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/next
[15:51] <apuimedo> gnuoy`: it asks me if I want to nominate you
[15:52] <apuimedo> as you don't currently have the permission to view branches
[15:52] <apuimedo> (sounds like launchpad malfunction to me)
[15:52] <gnuoy`> apuimedo, does it? I'd suggest not nominating anyone then it lands on the review queue for all to see
[15:52] <apuimedo> ok
[15:53] <apuimedo> gnuoy`: jamespage: so here you go https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charms/trusty/nova-cloud-controller/midonet/+merge/273717
[15:56] <beisner> mattyw, it's actually failing because the unit test (as non-root) is attempting to apt install a pkg.
[15:57] <beisner> mattyw, generally speaking, unit tests shouldn't actually "do" things to the host running the tests.  this looks like a case where you'll need to prep a venv in the makefile ahead of the tests running.
[15:57] <mattyw> beisner, yeah  it only does that if it can't import the action_get function. It's messy but that seems to be the accepted way of doing that kind of thing
[15:57] <mattyw> beisner, ah - good call
[15:58] <beisner> ie. satisfy dependencies before the test is fired
[15:58] <mattyw> beisner, what about on a unit - we'd need to make sure the deps were up to date there as well?
[16:02] <beisner> mattw - so in this charm (and all of the openstack charms), the necessary bits from charmhelpers are sync'd into hooks/charmhelpers.
[16:02] <beisner> mattyw, `make sync`
[16:03] <beisner> that of course has pros/cons
[16:04] <mattyw> beisner, that only works in the hooks directory - I could have a similar one in the actions directory as well?
[16:05] <beisner> mattyw, true.  which i believe is why in the swift charm, hooks/charmhelpers moved to lib/ so both actions/ and hooks/ could consume.  but that's more symlink foo!
[16:06] <mattyw> beisner, I could do an extra sync location for actions - and add a TODO ;)
[16:08] <beisner> mattyw, i'll defer to the primary maintainers of the mongodb charm on that (and all of this really).   there is how-we-do-it-now vs. how-we-would-like-to-see-it-done.   i can tell ya all about how we do it now ;-)
[16:10] <mattyw> beisner, which charm was that?
[16:10] <beisner> mattyw, swift-proxy and swift-storage ('next' dev branches), which will be part of the 15.10 openstack charm release
[16:11] <beisner> https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/swift-proxy/next
[16:11] <beisner> https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/swift-storage/next
[16:11] <mattyw> beisner, perfect thanks - I was looking the current ones
[16:12] <beisner> mattyw, so something will have to be either duplicated or symlinked, or pip installed.  each of the approaches have pros/cons
[16:13] <mattyw> beisner, I'll go with symlink and wait for comments
[16:15] <mattyw> beisner, done, let's see what trouble that causes ;)
[16:25] <coreycb> gnuoy`, I pushed a new keystone version for action-managed upgrades, after a slight scare.  somehow I overwrote my branch on lp without using --overwrite, but luckily enough lp has history.
[16:48] <beisner> fyi gnuoy`, dosaboy - wrt the n-c-c amulet test fails;  known race opportunity [ that's my positive spin thedac ;-) ] ... raised @ bug 1503701 -- unrelated to your proposed changes.
[16:48] <mup> Bug #1503701: amulet test for new instance needs resilience <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <nova-cloud-controller (Juju Charms Collection):New> <nova-compute (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503701>
[16:48] <thedac> haha
[16:51] <mattyw> beisner, thanks! great idea, sensible diff size now
[16:51] <beisner> mattyw, woot!  still violates the antisymlink thing, but so does the rest of the charm.
[16:52] <mattyw> beisner, rules are meant to be broken ;)
[16:52] <beisner> mattyw, so are symlinks
[16:52] <beisner> ba da bing
[16:53] <mattyw> beisner, I'd be happy with haing to sync locations - but I'm also happy to go with majority verdict :)
[19:09] <apuimedo> lazypower: ping
[19:14] <apuimedo> mbruzek: ping
[19:14] <mbruzek> apuimedo: Hello!
[19:15] <apuimedo> mbruzek: Ahoj
[19:15] <apuimedo> how's it going?
[19:15] <mbruzek> apuimedo: I am doing well.  And you?
[19:15] <apuimedo> I got some amulet failure when syncing up the charm helpers
[19:15] <apuimedo> and putting some template change
[19:15] <apuimedo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12706944/
[19:16] <apuimedo> do you think it could be a flaky test of that the charm was not ready for the sync?
[19:20] <tvansteenburgh> looks like whatever server the novaclient is pointing at is broken, or was
[19:20] <tvansteenburgh> i don't know anything about this though
[19:21] <tvansteenburgh> beisner, jamespage ^
[19:21] <beisner> mbruzek, apuimedo - that looks like n-c-c.  if so, it is a race in the test, working on it now actually.   bug 1503701   tldr: the deployed test cloud wasn't completely open for business at the moment the create instance routine fired off.
[19:21] <mup> Bug #1503701: amulet test for new instance needs resilience <amulet> <openstack> <uosci> <nova-cloud-controller (Juju Charms Collection):New> <nova-compute (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503701>
[19:21] <apuimedo> beisner: oh, thanks. I didn't know about this issue
[19:22] <apuimedo> beisner: could you retrigger the test for the merge proposal once you fix it, then?
[19:22] <beisner> just started seeing it.  it generally happens when the rest of the undercloud has elevated load.
[19:22] <beisner> apuimedo, you would have to rebase, after finish, propose, and get the test updates landed.
[19:22] <beisner> s/after/after i/
[19:23] <apuimedo> beisner: I'll have to check how to rebase in bzr. I'm still fighting with it and wishing I had git :P
[19:24] <beisner> apuimedo, i plan to have a proposal up tomorrow
[19:24] <apuimedo> beisner: do you have some estimation for the bug fix?
[19:24] <apuimedo> ah, good
[19:25] <mbruzek> apuimedo: beisner is the expert on osci but if you have any amulet questions I can help
[19:25] <apuimedo> mbruzek: perfect, thanks ;-)
[19:25] <apuimedo> beisner: what's your tz, so I can tell when to ping you about future osci issues
[19:26] <beisner> apuimedo, us central time
[19:26]  * beisner goes to find lunch
[19:26] <apuimedo> cool
[19:27] <apuimedo> beisner: bon appetit
[19:29] <mbruzek> apuimedo: You can ping me for osci problems too, I just might have to consult with beisner for the tougher ones
[19:29] <apuimedo> ok
[19:29] <apuimedo> mbruzek: thanks!
[23:14] <apuimedo> beisner: the issue also happened with  nova-compute/next http://paste.ubuntu.com/12709505/
[23:45] <beisner> apuimedo, yep, that bug is listed for both n-c and n-c-c
[23:45] <apuimedo> cool
[23:46] <apuimedo> ;-)
[23:57] <george_e> Is it still necessary to bundle "charmhelpers" with a charm? (I'm specifically thinking of Precise here.)
[23:58] <george_e> Or is there a better way?


[05:26] <RAOF> Bah.
[05:28] <RAOF> Dear GNOME Shell: When I click on a notification I do not want to raise a whole slew of unrelated windows.
[09:02] <Laney> ahoy
[09:10] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:13] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:13] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:13] <Laney> good day off?
[09:14] <willcooke> Was nice, did a bit of investigating for house stuff
[09:15] <willcooke> but came home to no window in my study :)  Bit cold
[09:15] <Laney> oh dear
[09:15] <Laney> you're working in there????
[09:15] <willcooke> It's going to get bricked up today
[09:15] <willcooke> for now I'm still in here, need to pack up all my stuff at the weekend
[14:47] <kenvandine> Laney, hey... i need someone to review a desktop helpers PR, would you mind?
[14:47] <kenvandine> https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/82
[14:48] <kenvandine> Laney, i think it's an obvious solution
[14:49] <Laney> hey kenvandine, what's up?
[14:49] <kenvandine> hey Laney :)
[14:50] <kenvandine> it just links in the overrides the same as it does the schema xml files
[14:50] <kenvandine> so the overrides work properly for the snaps
[14:52] <Laney> kenvandine: sure, looks good
[14:52] <Laney> don't understand what this thing is doing but that seems sensible to me :-)
[14:53] <kenvandine> lol
[14:53] <kenvandine> it's just crazy stuff the helpers need to do
[14:53] <kenvandine> this fixes the broken theming issues oSoMon found
[14:53] <Laney> this is running at every startup?
[14:53] <kenvandine> only after the snap is updated
[14:53] <kenvandine> just once
[14:53] <Laney> ah
[14:53] <Laney> not so bad then :-)
[14:54] <kenvandine> we do this for a bunch of things
[14:54] <kenvandine> makes the first start slow... but not much we can do about it
[14:55] <kenvandine> Laney, thx, now to trigger rebuilds of all my snaps :)
[14:55] <Laney> happy days
[17:35] <willcooke> night all
[17:35] <willcooke> off to London in the morning so won't be on until around 10 ish


[20:07] <arminb> Hi, I have a short question, on the webpage Getting started with MOTU I saw that the next meeting is defined for 2012 and package training is tbd. I am very interested in the Packaging training session, when will the next date be defined?
[20:10] <sladen> arminb: wow, that is somewhat out of date
[20:10] <sladen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted
[20:10] <sladen> people arne't as active here as they used to be
[20:13] <arminb> yes and also in the https://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com
[20:13] <sladen> what's interesting is it doesn't seem to have changed
[20:13] <sladen> perhaps it's being fetched from an external calendar
[20:13] <arminb> the last entry there is from a year ago
[20:17] <sladen> arminb: I've just pinged <jose> on IRC
[20:17] <sladen> arminb: if you're able to able a couple of minutes they might be able to update you
[20:17] <sladen> arminb: (they're just finishing their lunch)
[20:18] <jose> sladen: ping
[20:19] <sladen> hello jose, meeting arminb ; arm
[20:21] <jose> whoops, that wasn't the right button
[20:22] <sladen> oh well
[20:22] <jose> what was it? maybe I can email him
[20:22] <sladen> https://launchpad.net/~armin-breiteneder
[20:23] <sladen> (although the normal frustration of /not/ being able to track someone down after they vanish)
[20:23] <sladen> (although I knoew the normal frustration of /not/ being able to track someone down after they vanish)
[20:23] <sladen> know
[20:24] <sladen> jose: original question was "on the webpage Getting started with MOTU I saw that the next meeting is defined for 2012 and package training is tbd. I am very interested in the Packaging training session, when will the next date be defined?"
[20:24] <sladen> jose: a think in thise case the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/GettingStarted must be pulling from an out of date calendar; perhaps on https://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com
[20:24] <sladen> but even that seems out of date
[20:25] <jose> welp, that is something MOTU driven in the classroom space
[20:25] <jose> not sure we, as classroom team, have much say on that
[20:25] <jose> if someone wants to do it, they're totally welcome to
[20:25] <sladen> jose: since you've got more of a handle on it than I; would you still be able to do a quick email follow-up to arminb, and see if we can redirect them somewhere
[20:26] <jose> gotcha, will do. Thanks for letting me know!
[20:30] <sladen> jose: thank you!  I hope you didn't miss too much dinner!
[20:31] <jose> just lunchtime over here, no worries :)
[20:31] <jose> we're here to help!


[02:05] <Chaser> My run command dialog (alt+f2) has frozen and wouldn't goaway. Is there a way to restart it with out restarting KDE ?
[02:07] <Chaser> aha its the krunner process.
[03:00] <drdoom> I have a laptop with a 16 GB SSD used for caching and would like a guide on how to use it in kubuntu as I do in win8.1
[03:07] <cjwelborn> Is there a room for Muon? I have a gripe/question..
[03:48] <toothe> I got rid of notifications for new pidgin messages - How do I turn them back on?
[04:56] <mgolden> What is the muon question?
[06:52] <noob_> hi
[06:55] <noob_> how do you hack facebook?
[06:55] <noob_> ls
[06:55] <noob_> ?
[08:03] <soee> good morning
[08:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:35] <marek___> test
[13:56] <murthy> Anyone interested in reproducing this bug?   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1389847
[14:12] <yossarianuk> tested plasma 5 - love it !
[14:27] <soee> yossarianuk: tested on Kubuntu ?
[14:32] <yossarianuk> soee: yes - did had an odd moment where any display/graphic option in system settings would crash/sugfault.
[14:32] <yossarianuk> but after installation of nvidia driver and reboot (in plasma 5.1) worked well...
[14:32] <yossarianuk> and fast ans with less memory usage than 4.x
[14:34] <soee> :) some people raports probems and glitches with graphic/effects etc
[14:34] <soee> though, i never had any
[14:34] <soee> glad you liek Kubuntu + Plasma5 :)
[14:50] <yossarianuk> soee: easily looking like the nicest DE for linux
[14:50] <yossarianuk> (or anything..)
[14:51] <yossarianuk> just love the fact its NOt dumbed down.
[14:52] <soee> yossarianuk: well i think version 5.2 or 5.3 will be the one i can call mature enough :)
[14:53] <yossarianuk> with 4.x it was 4.2.x by the time it was usable...
[14:54] <soee> here now wirt 5.0 it was usable enough for me:)
[14:54] <soee> 5.1 was cool update and waiting for 5.2 .. you know .. activities switcher etc
[14:55] <soee> ok time to go home, cu later
[18:34] <grywolfSC> Afternoon
[18:35] <grywolfSC> I am needing some help on getting KUbuntu installed alongside Windows 7
[18:38] <grywolfSC> I have tried installing it from inside Windows using the KUbuntu DVD and I am getting the following error: Errors: 1 >>stdout= 11-25 12:59 DEBUG  WindowsBackend: command >>C:\Users\gc\AppData\Local\Temp\pyl60EB.tmp\bin\7z.exe l C:\ubuntu\install\kubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso 11-25 12:59 DEBUG  Distro:     does not contain casper\filesystem.squashfs 11-25 12:59 DEBUG  TaskList: ### Finished check_iso 11-25 12:59 ERROR  TaskList: [
[18:41] <lordievader> grywolfSC: You don't want to use Wubi, it is horrendous.
[18:41] <lordievader> grywolfSC: Make a live-cd or a live-dvd and boot from that.
[18:41] <grywolfSC> I am finding that out
[18:42] <grywolfSC> OK that should them load grubb and do the partitioning for me, I do not want to loose right now Windows 7
[18:42] <grywolfSC> BTW lordievander thank you
[18:43] <lordievader> grywolfSC: You can select the side by side options.
[18:45] <grywolfSC> ok thank you lordievader,  I will go ahead and do that.  I am trying get off Windows and onto Linux,  tired of all the cost involved with the programs that are for Windows only,  there are many more that free that do the same under Linux
[18:45] <grywolfSC> TTFN
[19:05] <WhoKnows_625> hello, if I ended up with unmet dependencies after updating, were should I report that? It's Kubuntu 15.04, the pakage is kate-data
[19:08] <soee> WhoKnows_625: whats teh output of: apt-cache policy kate-data ?
[19:08] <lordievader> WhoKnows_625: Could you join #ubuntu+1 and paste the full output there please?
[19:09] <EvilRoey> hi all
[19:09] <lordievader> o/
[19:10] <soee> *-O
[19:10] <EvilRoey> hey listen...so Firefox got REALLY slow after I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10.  So is Chromium.  I tried with a new ~/.mozilla, and Fx is still slow. It lags greatly in starting up, and in responding to user input, especially with a few tabs open (then it takes forever to respond to the scrollwheel, for example).  It also uses 100% CPU time.  What can I do?
[19:10] <EvilRoey> hey soee, lordievader
[19:11] <soee> EvilRoey: i had no such problem, strange\
[19:11] <lordievader> EvilRoey: You could use strace to see if it doing something strange over and over...
[19:12] <Riddell> WhoKnows_625: yofel may know about kate
[19:12] <yofel> Riddell, WhoKnows_625: I'm fixing it right now
[19:13] <EvilRoey> lordievader:  ok.
[19:13] <EvilRoey> true I can do that.
[19:14] <WhoKnows_625> Ridell: thanks
[19:14] <veralux> !list
[19:15] <yofel> WhoKnows_625: in the meantime, use 'sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kate_4%3a4.14.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb' (or i386) to get around it
[19:15] <yofel> or do it for kate-data if it's stuck on that
[19:19] <WhoKnows_625> soee: thx for replaying. This is fast yofel says is already looking at it.
[19:20] <soee> WhoKnows_625: yofel is a ninja :-)
[19:31] <kubys> czesc polakom !
[20:55] <MrAlex> hey guys
[20:58] <bprompt> allo
[22:01] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to set up Choqok but it's not letting me add any accounts. (I don't think it has its own channel but correct me as needed)
[22:02] <LogicalDash> I get to the "add account" window and click the Add dropdown and nothing actually drops down from it.
[23:20] <deanomac> just ran into a slight problem. did an update today in kubuntu 14.04. in muon update manager. now i have no window decorations and anything i open(firefox, okular, etc)covers up my panel. I must be using the wrong verbiage in forums and elsewhere, cuz i can't find anything useful. Suggestions???
[23:38] <valorie> deanomac: sounds like something went wrong
[23:38] <valorie> can you do, in a konsole: `sudo apt install -f` ?
[23:39] <valorie> copy-paste between the ticks
[23:39] <valorie> control+shift to paste into konsole
[23:42] <deanomac> no effect, 0's across the board
[23:43] <valorie> deanomac: perhaps post a screenshot?
[23:43] <valorie> !paste


[01:40] <fabbione> doko: ping?
[01:45] <doko> fabbione: pong
[01:45] <fabbione> doko: are we still maintaining gcc-3.3?
[01:45] <fabbione> and 3.4 for the matter....
[01:46] <doko> 3.3, just for libstdc++5 :-(
[01:46] <doko> 3.4 for g77
[01:47] <fabbione> i wonder how many legacy applications are left on ++5
[01:47] <doko> fglrx ...
[01:47] <fabbione> perhaps we should try to kill it hard after gutsy+1
[01:48] <fabbione> i am wondering for stuff that's not in the archive
[01:52] <shawarma> Last time I tried to install oracle, I think it needed ++5.
[01:52] <shawarma> It *was* a couple of years ago now, I think. They may have grown up now.
[01:55] <doko> yes 9i did require libstdc++5
[02:07] <fabbione> i think oracle express doesn't need ++5
[02:07] <fabbione> so there is a good chance that neither 10 does
[02:07] <fabbione> shawarma: there is a deb for oracle express db... perhaps you want to look at it?
[02:10] <shawarma> fabbione: Not in particular :) At least not any time soon.
[02:10] <fabbione> shawarma: just to check if it still depends on ++5
[02:10] <fabbione> i am not asking you to play with it
[02:10] <fabbione> i know it works :)
[02:13] <shawarma> Well, if you already have it installed can't you just try removing ++5 and see if it implodes? It's not (only) that I don't feel like it, but I don't really have the time. :)
[02:16] <fabbione> i don't have it
[02:16] <fabbione> not even installed.. i know it works for other reasons
[02:24] <shawarma> Ah, I see.
[02:25] <fabbione> anyway i asked
[02:25] <fabbione> no big deal


[06:40] <astraljava> ailo_: We had some preferring of Pulse and pavucontrol for it, but I forget now when and why it was needed. Must check the source.
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work
[14:03] <len-dt> scott-work, there seems to be a difference in how the ISOs are built. When I plug the USB stick in I get a message asking if I want to upgrade my distro. some one has been working on the installer...
[14:03] <smartboyhw> len-dt, Oh!
[14:03]  * smartboyhw is still zsyncing the ISO
[14:04] <len-dt> smartboyhw, it has actually been that way for a few days now.
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Oops
[14:04]  * smartboyhw has not tested since bets 1
[14:04] <smartboyhw> *beta
[14:04] <len-dt> NP
[14:05] <len-dt> There was talk about making the live ISO work more like the alt ISO and I think this is just part of that.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yes true
[14:06] <len-dt> so my comment is more of a heads up that the work does seem to be happening.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> ;P
[14:08] <len-dt> anyway, I'm off to work, scott-work or whoever, feel free to leave comments for me when I return...
[14:08]  * len-dt shuffles off out the door...
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ...
[17:05] <astraljava> Hey team, heads up: QA contact person position up for grabs, anyone from the team can do it. Preferably start immediately, so you'll be up and running by the time R cycle begins.
[17:06] <astraljava> Responsibilities normally include keeping in sync with flavor AND vanilla development, reporting in QA meetings.  :D


[14:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#1784 opened: store: show helpful message for 'snapcraft list-keys' with no keys <Created by BayMinimum> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1784>


[01:14] <lilstevie> Xase: does adb work under android on the device, maybe the USB gadget isn't compiled
[03:44] <twb> Nice thing about having the CPU in the tablet; the kb dock isn't burning my pants :P
[04:01] <lilstevie> heh
[04:02] <lilstevie> the cpu doesn't really get that hot
[04:02] <twb> on my atom it did, when the ambient temperature is 35+ C
[04:04] <lilstevie> arm chips tend to run a little cooler
[04:05] <lilstevie> power == heat
[04:05] <lilstevie> cpu draws little power
[04:05] <lilstevie> and creates little heat
[04:06] <lilstevie> under high load it is probably ~±5c of ambient
[04:06] <lilstevie> or somewhere around that :p
[04:10] <twb> yeah obviously
[04:10] <twb> arm CPU does get hot enough to feel on tf tho
[04:10] <twb> like when I tell it to halt and it sits on its arse because it can't umount the SD card
[04:12] <lilstevie> I swear that is something to do with your sd card, cause I have a µSD in my device always
[04:14] <twb> it's stuff hanging off the dock
[04:15] <twb> The microsd in the tablet hasn't caused a noticable problem
[04:15] <twb> Although I generally don't have it mounted when I halt
[04:15] <lilstevie> I tend to have a usb thumb drive too
[04:15] <twb> hum
[04:15] <lilstevie> in fact when I am testing blob flashes I put the blob on a thumb drive
[04:15] <twb> maybe it's something stupid in oneiric like "don't unmount things that were mounted by the user" or "don't unmount things until lightdm stops" which never happens because lightdm is gone
[04:16] <twb> there was a lot of that in lucid
[04:45] <twb> One issue that really puzzles me is w3m-img isn't displaying inline images on the framebuffer like it did on my eeepc
[04:46] <twb> but it *does* work in xterm (on both)
[04:46] <twb> I'm thinking there was a workaround hack I had deployed on the eeepc and forgot about
[04:51] <twb> Oh sweet, APT::Default-Release actually works in Ubuntu these days
[04:52] <twb> So I can dump precise entries in sources.list and cherry-pick them
[04:53] <twb> Oh, and fbi *can* draw images on the framebuffer, so clearly it's *possible*, w3m just doesn't think it can do it
[04:55] <twb> And apparently when you quit jfbterm you can't get back to another tty... :-/
[05:02] <twb> Time to RTFS of w3m-img
[05:40] <Xase> lilstevie: adb does work in CM nightly 256 on my nook color.
[05:41] <lilstevie> and are you using the same kernel
[05:41] <lilstevie> well similar
[05:41] <lilstevie> with the changes to config
[05:41] <Xase> Well yes, with a couple of patches.
[05:41] <Xase> Using dalingrin's source which should have usb host support I'm informed =/
[05:42] <Xase> I know that's rather adb irrelevant, but it's relevant to my being able to interface with the device in general.
[05:43] <Xase> I just don't have anything that I can use on it though I realized. =/
[05:43] <lilstevie> host is irrelevant, the adb gadget driver is required
[05:44] <Xase> Well I'd imagine it should have it, as it is compiled with dalingrin's sources.
[05:44] <Xase> Let me check.
[05:45] <Xase> maybe my changes via chroot didn't affect properly?
[05:47] <Xase> lilstevie: still checking... no clue what section the adb gadget is located in :p
[05:48] <lilstevie> usb ofc
[05:48] <lilstevie> :p
[05:51] <Xase> :p I know... but I never delved this far deep...
[05:51] <Xase> I'm assuming USB Gadget should be selected... which it isn't...
[05:55] <Xase> lilstevie: wow I'm retarded... can't compile a uImage without uBoot tools made -_-
[17:50] <pnphi> join now
[17:51] <pnphi> hi there
[17:52] <pnphi> please help me...
[17:52] <pnphi> i have a problem
[17:52] <pnphi> i need ubuntu arm to have GUI
[17:52] <pnphi> what do i do ?
[18:06] <GrueMaster> pnphi: What platform?  Can you use one of our already generated images, like ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop for omap, omap4, mx5, or ac100?
[18:08] <pnphi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildArmPackages
[18:09] <pnphi> i have a ARM Ubuntu on Qemu
[18:09] <pnphi> but this isn't GUI
[18:11] <pnphi> i want to have GUI ...how i do ?
[18:11] <GrueMaster> Well, if you can get it to a shell and run apt-get, try installing task-selector "apt-get install tasksel".  Then run it and select one of the ubuntu desktops (ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu, xubuntu, etc).
[18:11] <GrueMaster> It will pull all the required packages and install them.
[18:12] <GrueMaster> No guarantees that they all work under QEMU though.  I don't test that.
[18:13] <pnphi> ok thanks..i try it
[18:16] <pnphi> i wish you merry christmas
[18:26] <GrueMaster> Happy holidays.
[21:33] <real_psyence> hey all - anyone know proper bootargs to get built-in displays on oneiric on blaze?


[10:51] <manoj> hi , i have recently tried to contribute to ubuntu , and i have done fixing spelling errors in description (http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/quantal/tags/spelling-error-in-description.html) ..can anybody tell me what should i do after this
[10:54] <tumbleweed> manoj: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[10:57] <manoj> thnaks
[14:47] <alo21> !ping
[14:47] <alo21> !ping | alo21
[18:50] <pillarsdotnet> Packaging question: How can I make an amd64 package depend on libjpeg62:i386 ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/502920
[18:50] <jtaylor> you can't so far I know
[18:51] <jtaylor> but you might be able to make an i386 package that is installable on amd64
[18:57] <pillarsdotnet> Was afraid of that. So I need to make a package with ... what's that tool that creates an empty package just for dependency sake?
[18:57] <jtaylor> equiv
[18:57] <pillarsdotnet> Yup. found it.
[18:58] <pillarsdotnet> So I need to make equivs part of the build-deps.
[18:58] <jtaylor> why would you need equiv?
[18:58] <pillarsdotnet> Seriously, nobody has done this already? Something like ia32-libs but that includes libjpeg62?
[18:58] <pillarsdotnet> Hate to reinvent the wheel.
[18:59] <jtaylor> that was done in the past, its now replaced with a proper multiarch
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> Need to make cndrvcups-ufr2-uk and cndrvcups-ufr2-us depend on libjpeg62:i386
[19:00] <jtaylor> for what distributions do you want to build?
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> Because Canon is including a binary blob in their source and the blob depends on libjpeg62:i386
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> Doesn't matter -- debian packaging, though.
[19:00] <jtaylor> it does matter
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> I'm running Ubuntu but should work equally well for stock debian.
[19:00] <jtaylor> because the method has changed
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> k.
[19:00] <jtaylor> in the past you used ia32-libs
[19:00] <pillarsdotnet> Right now I just care about Ubuntu.
[19:01] <jtaylor> now (= precise, wheezy) you use multiarch
[19:01] <pillarsdotnet> ia32-libs does not include libjpeg62.
[19:01] <jtaylor> on which distribution?
[19:01] <pillarsdotnet> Ubuntu.
[19:01] <jtaylor> which version?
[19:01] <pillarsdotnet> 12.04
[19:01] <jtaylor> 12.04 has no real ia32-libs anymore
[19:01] <pillarsdotnet> Funny, 'cuz I have it installed.
[19:01] <jtaylor> you can just install libjpeg62:i386 on amd64
[19:02] <jtaylor> it still exists but is empty
[19:02] <pillarsdotnet> okay, it's a transition package that depends on ia32-libs-multiarch
[19:02] <pillarsdotnet> and ia32-libs-multiarch does not include libjpeg62
[19:02] <pillarsdotnet> so... doesn't provide what I need.
[19:03] <pillarsdotnet> Not all of it, anyway.
[19:03] <jtaylor> because it doesn't need to
[19:03] <jtaylor> just only build a i386 package and install that on amd64
[19:03] <jtaylor> it will pull all dependecies
[19:03] <pillarsdotnet> So there's no way to build an amd64 package that depends on a i386 package.
[19:03] <pillarsdotnet> That's what you're telling me.
[19:04] <jtaylor> you can still do it, but there is not much reason to do so anymore
[19:04] <pillarsdotnet> Well, there is a reasson.
[19:04] <jtaylor> which one?
[19:04] <pillarsdotnet> Want to print to a Canon UFR II printer.
[19:05] <pillarsdotnet> (why oh why is it that every time I ask for help doing something, I first have to convince somebody that yes, I really do need to do what I'm asking for help with?)
[19:05] <jtaylor> because I'm still not clear what the problem is
[19:06] <jtaylor> libjpeg can't be it because that is multiarched
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> bah.
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> wrong link.
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> jtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/502920
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> In short, after installing the Canon driver, I have to run "apt-get install libjpeg62:i386"
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> Would be nice if that were taken care of by the dependencies.
[19:06] <pillarsdotnet> But can't do that.
[19:07] <pillarsdotnet> Suppose I can add "apt-get install libjpeg62:i386" to the pre-install script but that seems a bit too hackish.
[19:07] <pillarsdotnet> Simply making it depend on libjpeg62 won't fix the problem.
[19:08] <jtaylor> you have the source for the driver?
[19:08] <pillarsdotnet> Did you even look at the link?
[19:09] <jtaylor> yes but I don't understand why the software is gpl (= open source) but does not work on amd64?
[19:09] <pillarsdotnet> Because it doesn't really conform to gpl.  It includes a binary blob.
[19:09] <pillarsdotnet> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/502920/+attachment/3280856/+files/build-Linux_UFRII-driver.sh
[19:10] <jtaylor> well the solution is: create a i386 package that depends on libjpeg
[19:10] <pillarsdotnet> Nevertheless, it's either play by their rules or don't print.
[19:10] <jtaylor> don't create an amd64 one
[19:10] <pillarsdotnet> Yes, I already came to that conclusion, And the easiest way to do that is with equivs.
[19:10] <pillarsdotnet> So therefore I need to add equivs to the build-deps.
[19:10] <jtaylor> you can't build a package within a package
[19:10] <jtaylor> where is the packaging source?
[19:10] <pillarsdotnet> I'm talking about editing the debian/control file.
[19:11] <pillarsdotnet> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/502920/+attachment/3280856/+files/build-Linux_UFRII-driver.sh
[19:11] <jtaylor> ok so its not a proper package
[19:11] <pillarsdotnet> I thought I said that already.
[19:11] <jtaylor> then equiv or deb-reversion is probably the easiest solution
[19:11] <pillarsdotnet> What is deb-reversion?
[19:12] <jtaylor> just a tool to mess with the internals of a package
[19:12] <pillarsdotnet> nm. http://man.he.net/man1/deb-reversion
[19:12] <jtaylor> in principle just a sort of wrapper to dpkg -x dpkg -b
[19:12] <pillarsdotnet> no, equivs would be the thing to use.
[19:12] <pillarsdotnet> Not interested in patching their packged .deb, only their "source".
[19:14] <pillarsdotnet> Do you know of any way I can search for an Ubuntu package which depends on libjpeg62 and exists for i386 but not for amd64?
[19:14] <pillarsdotnet> Again, just trying not to reinvent the wheel.
[19:15] <pillarsdotnet> Something like "ia32-libs-multiarch-compat"
[19:16] <jtaylor> not jpeg, but e,g. zsnes or ecere are i386 only
[19:16] <jtaylor> they don't need ia32-libs anymore since multiarch
[19:16] <pillarsdotnet> Specifically need to pull in libjpeg62:i386
[19:17] <jtaylor> ia32-libs was ugly, it was just a copy of a bunch of i386 libraries in one huge deb, now the i386 debs are directly installable in amd64 making it obsolete
[19:17] <pillarsdotnet> zsnes doesn't do it.
[19:18] <jtaylor> yes install it and watch how it installs e.g. libpng12:i386
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> ecere isn't found by apt-cache.
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> no, zsnes doesn't install libjpeg62:i386
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> Don't care about libpng.
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> Need libjpeg62:i386
[19:18] <jtaylor> its the same thing
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> no it's not.
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> libpng is for png files.
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> libjpeg is for jpeg files.
[19:18] <jtaylor> I know but both are libraries
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> png files and jpeg files are different.
[19:18] <jtaylor> and dependencies for both are handled in the same way
[19:18] <pillarsdotnet> You can't substitute one for the other.
[19:19] <pillarsdotnet> Yes, but depending on zsnes does not pull in libjpeg62:i386
[19:19] <pillarsdotnet> That's what I mean by "zsnes doesn't install libjpeg62:i386"
[19:19] <pillarsdotnet> Thought that would be obvious.
[19:20] <pillarsdotnet> So... need to create a new package that depends on libjpeg62:i386 -- perhaps call it ia32-libjpeg-compat ?
[19:20] <jtaylor> why?
[19:20] <pillarsdotnet> or ia32-libjpeg62 ?
[19:20] <jtaylor> just install  libjpeg62:i386
[19:21] <jtaylor> I still don'T understand the problem
[19:21] <pillarsdotnet> WANT IT HANDLED BY THE PACKAGING PROCESS SO THE NEXT PERSON DOESN'T HAVE TO SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR TWO WEEKS LIKE I DID!!!!!
[19:22] <jtaylor> there are two ways to solve this
[19:22] <pillarsdotnet> Once I've got a package that installs cleanly (or else complains properly if the dependencies are not installed) then I'm gonna send the info to Canon so they can fix their broken packages.
[19:22] <jtaylor> file a bug against ia32-libs-multiarch to include libjpeg62
[19:22] <jtaylor> assuming that canon's deb depends in ia32-libs
[19:22] <jtaylor> or fix canon's deb
[19:22] <jtaylor> adding another ia32 redirection deb will not solve anything
[19:22] <pillarsdotnet> I'm working on fixing canon's debian/control file.
[19:23] <pillarsdotnet> I've added ia32-libs but that doesn't fix it.
[19:23] <pillarsdotnet> Because ia32-libs pulls in libjpeg8:i386 not libjpeg62:i386
[19:23] <jtaylor> does canon provide a i386 deb?
[19:23] <pillarsdotnet> Yes.
[19:24] <pillarsdotnet> Making that one work is straightforward -- just need to include libjpeg62 in the deps.
[19:24] <jtaylor> yes and then your done
[19:24] <pillarsdotnet> It's making the amd64 one work that is the problem.
[19:24] <jtaylor> the amd64 depends on ia32-libs?
[19:24] <pillarsdotnet> Yes.
[19:24] <pillarsdotnet> Well, my version does.
[19:25] <jtaylor> the only way to fix that is ti add libjpeg62 to ia32-libs-multiarch
[19:25] <pillarsdotnet> They're missing the dependency; that's why it works for some and not for others.
[19:25] <pillarsdotnet> I'm fairly sure that the ubuntu devs are gonna be unwilling to do that.
[19:25] <jtaylor> for that you need to file a bug, but I don't think changes are so high that it will be added
[19:26] <jtaylor> you will have to argue with core-dev's about that
[19:26] <pillarsdotnet> I'm just trying to make the canon package work with ubuntu (and if possible, stock debian) as it currently exists. I'm not trying to change all of ubuntu to accomodate canon.
[19:27] <pillarsdotnet> IMHO the way to do it is add equivs to the build-depends.
[19:27] <pillarsdotnet> And create a dummy package that has Architecture: i386 and depends on libjpeg62.
[19:27] <jtaylor> I don't think it is so unreasonable to add it again, it was in ia32-libs in the past after all
[19:27] <jtaylor> but maybe there was a reason it was dropped, probably security issues
[19:28] <pillarsdotnet> Are you saying that core-devs are willing to add an obsolete library to current packages just so a canon print driver that violates GPL will install properly?
[19:28] <pillarsdotnet> You're even more optimistic than I am.
[19:28] <pillarsdotnet> All I'm trying to do is get Canon to support Linux somewhere besides Australia.
[19:28] <jtaylor> accommodating this crap is part of the reason ia32-libs existed in the first place
[19:29] <jtaylor> but still chances are slim
[19:29] <jtaylor> having a dummy package will only replace apt-get install libjpeg62:i386 with apt-get install dummy-package?
[19:29] <pillarsdotnet> kk.
[19:29] <pillarsdotnet> no.
[19:29] <pillarsdotnet> Will be "dpkg -i dummy-package" probably.
[19:30] <pillarsdotnet> I'm not even hopeful that the canon drivers will be added to any standard repository.
[19:30] <pillarsdotnet> Since they violate GPL.
[19:30] <pillarsdotnet> Just trying to make the build process fairly automatic.
[19:30] <pillarsdotnet> Aw, heck.
[19:30] <pillarsdotnet> Probably the easiest way is to add the "apt-get install" line to the shell script.
[19:30] <jtaylor> the way to do the dummy package is similar to how ia32-libs looks now
[19:31] <pillarsdotnet> Will take a look.
[19:31] <jtaylor> have amd64 ia32-libjpeg62 package depend on an i386 ia32-libjpeg62-multiarch package that in turn depends on libjpeg62
[19:31] <pillarsdotnet> Can't have an amd64 package depend on an i386 package.
[19:31] <pillarsdotnet> remember?
[19:31] <jtaylor> no, not yet
[19:32] <pillarsdotnet> so won't work.
[19:32] <jtaylor> I think it is planned to add this feature
[19:32] <pillarsdotnet> link?
[19:32] <jtaylor> I mean what won't work is have package depend in libjpeg:i386
[19:32] <jtaylor> because there is a libjpeg:amd64 which will be prefered
[19:32] <jtaylor> by having only one ia32-libs-multiarch package available for i386
[19:32] <jtaylor> the resolver will pick that even though it is in a foreign arch
[19:32] <pillarsdotnet> So no need to create "ia32-libjpeg62" package.
[19:33] <jtaylor> the i386 package will then depend on its native i386 libjpeg package
[19:33] <jtaylor> its kind of a hack
[19:33] <pillarsdotnet> anyhow, I've gotten all the information I'm gonna get here.
[19:33] <pillarsdotnet> thanks.
[19:33] <jtaylor> your welcome


[00:09] <kirkland> hggdh: hi, still around?
[00:14] <hggdh> kirkland: still. Running tests now. I added a euca-get-console-output to the script
[00:16] <kirkland> hggdh: cool, i'm still around
[00:33] <hggdh> kirkland: OK. on a distributed env it does not seem that I can ssh into an instance from the CLC
[00:34] <hggdh> kirkland: I have to get my wife, will be back in 40
[00:36] <hggdh> kirkland: I think there is a bad route somewhere. I hope... the ionstance is not accessible from the CLC
[00:36] <hggdh> brb
[00:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, i jsut had an idea... Desktop app for manpages. I don't think that exists, does it?
[02:02] <storrgie> hello anyone avail?
[02:05] <storrgie> the version of qemu-kvm and libvirt and virt-manager is REALLY far behind... is there a good ppa?
[02:23] <hggdh> kirkland: ping
[04:09] <kirkland> hggdh: just passing through
[04:09] <kirkland> hggdh: what's up?
[04:27] <PC_Nerd101> Hi, when I'm using apt-cacher do I have to change the lists on all machines or just the caching server when I'm changing the mirror I update from ?
[04:28] <twb> What's the format of an apt-cacher client's sources.list?
[04:28] <twb> Just one line will do
[04:29] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, still around?
[04:32] <PC_Nerd101> um - jsut let me check
[04:39] <PC_Nerd101> http://paste.ubuntu.com/411430/ - this is my current source.list for a client to the apt-cacher
[04:41] <twb> I see no reference to apt-cacher there
[04:42] <PC_Nerd101> oh hang on....
[04:45] <PC_Nerd101> yes - but I have a line in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy that redirects traffic to my cache....:  Acquire::http::Proxy "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142";     - sry - I havent worked with these machines in a while ...  just remembering how I originally configured them
[04:46] <twb> OK, if that's how apt-cacher works, then you shouldn't need to change the client.
[04:46] <PC_Nerd101> so then how would I specify the new mirror in apt-cacher?
[04:47] <twb> One of them works by prepending the cacher URL to the sources.list entries; and THAT needs the clients to be updated to use a different upstream mirror.
[04:47] <twb> I thought that was apt-cacher.
[04:48] <PC_Nerd101> I dont know - but there's a lot of results on google about setting up with apt-cacher and apt-mirror, so that might be related to what your thinking.
[04:48] <PC_Nerd101> I need to change these mirrors to my ISP who hosts an unmetered mirror... and seeing as I have abotu 6 ubuntu machines in teh house its nice to cut down 5/6'ths of my updates.
[04:48] <twb> There are like twenty different partial mirroring systems
[04:49] <PC_Nerd101> I just run on apt-cacher because it seemed hte most common across installations similar to my one.
[04:49] <twb> If you have unmetered access, I suggest you just run debmirror and create a local copy of your (release, arch) tuple.
[04:49] <twb> debmirror has Just Worked for me, whereas apt-cacher and apt-proxy were nothing but flaky
[04:50] <PC_Nerd101> I dont particularly want to host my own mirror, it seems a bit of overkill... and I dont particularly want to download the entire mirror for my 2x distro's..  I just want to cahce the 20 or so regular packages I use on the servers.
[04:51] <twb> It's not as big a deal as you seem to think.
[04:51] <PC_Nerd101> hmm - well for now I jsut want to make a config change rather than an installation change regarding how I run the server's
[04:51] <twb> IIRC (hardy, i386, main, no-source) is only like 4GiB
[04:52] <twb> PC_Nerd101: I've told you what I know about apt-cacher.  I can't help you with it any more than  that.
[04:53] <PC_Nerd101> thats kewl - but I might stick with searching around for a solution rather than installing a mirror...  but thanks for your advice (I will probably follow you up when I start using netboot and an image).
[05:10] <darkk^> Can anyone comment on KVM stability in 8.04 release? I have one hardy-based server that I'm going to use as host and I'm choosing between up-to-date virtualbox backported to hardy and kvm/hardy.
[05:11] <lifeless> grab lucid
[05:11] <lifeless> nearly released, and like hardy it is an LTS.
[05:12] <darkk^> I don't think it's best idea to deploy beta at production. I'm going to migrate VMs to lucid host in a couple of months.
[05:13] <ScottK> Depends on how soon you need to be in production.
[05:13] <ScottK> Sensible, IMO.
[05:13] <lifeless> darkk^: it won't be beta ina couple of months ;)
[05:14] <darkk^> moreover, I see no reason to upgrade hardy to lucid as that box is quite trashed and will be temporary host anyway :-)
[05:15] <twb> Pfft.
[05:15] <twb> I started targeting Lucid for a one-month project, back in November.
[05:15] <twb> Big surprise: it's unlikely to ship before Lucid does
[05:16] <darkk^> so in fact I consider two ways 1) use kvm/hardy and migrate to kvm/lucid later (easier migration) 2) use virtualbox and migrate to kvm/lucid (MAYBE, better stability, I don't know if hardy/kvm is stable enough - it was long long ago)
[05:17] <twb> I tried (1) a couple of months ago, using the sanctioned upgrade mechanism.  It was laughably failuriffic.  So I went back to using aptitude for dist upgrades, like the Goddess intended.
[05:19] <darkk^> (1) saying "migrate to kvm/lucid" I mean "migrate to another physical box, running lucid"
[05:20] <twb> Oh, you mean the *host* node
[05:25] <PC_Nerd101> regarding apt-cacher (used as a caching proxy), does the client download its package lists via the proxy or direct from the mirror, in which case how can I make sure that the mirror my proxy path_map's to is synced with the mirror the package lists are from ?
[05:29] <twb> Proxies are intended to work without direct access to the target, so I'd be VERY suprised if anything using apt-proxy/apt-cacher/whatever went directly to the upstream host.
[05:32] <PC_Nerd101> ok - so when the client is configured using the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy  (Acquire::http::Proxy "server";) config - the package lists will be redirected to whatever teh proxy does?  fantastic :) ty :)
[05:33] <PC_Nerd101> if it does do that, why does the output from sudo aptitude update still list the repo's in my sources.list file?  is it just passively changing the location without "notifying" the current machine that the proxy changed its request?
[05:46] <twb> PC_Nerd101: just test it by firewalling off direct connections
[05:46] <PC_Nerd101> where would I firewall it from - the proxy machine or the client machine?
[05:47] <twb> That would depend on your privileges and on the network layout
[05:47] <twb> It doesn't really matter where
[05:52] <PC_Nerd101> internet connected router is at <IP_ADDRESS> - servers are all on 192.168.1.x, cacher on <IP_ADDRESS>, all machines proxy through this machine ( whether in or out of the subnet via port forwarding)... I want to ensure that connections are indeed to the mirror specified in the cacher and not their own sources.list definitionsl
[05:53] <PC_Nerd101> so I would firewall on the caching machine?
[05:57] <twb> Whatever.
[05:58] <PC_Nerd101> ok.
[05:58] <PC_Nerd101> thanks
[06:01] <darkk^> you can also use wireshark/tshark or get netflow from the router to check your hypothesis without firewall rules modification.
[06:04] <twb> Nod
[06:52] <rcsheets> is there a more up-to-date version of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC that's written for Lucid?
[07:24] <KurtKraut> rcsheets, AFAIK, help.ubuntu.com content is updated when the final version is released.
[07:35] <rcsheets> hmm. it seems like someone somewhere would be writing the new documentation before it goes to help.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <twb> Surely it's backed by a svn docbook repo or something
[07:37] <rcsheets> well i dunno, it's a wiki
[07:37] <rcsheets> are you suggesting the svn docbook repo is what the wiki stores the edits in?
[07:43] <twb> If it was a *good* wiki, it'd be backed by a VCS :-/
[07:43] <lifeless> it is
[07:44] <lifeless> a horrible one, but one.
[07:44] <lifeless> by horrible I mean, CVS-like.
[07:44] <twb> lifeless: is help.u.c running some kind of sucky Canonical-internal wiki?
[07:44] <lifeless> no
[07:45] <lifeless> just moin
[07:45] <twb> I didn't think moin's VCS backends were production-ready
[07:45] <lifeless> its flat file store on disk is effectively a VCS
[07:45] <lifeless> it would eat your brain to use it
[07:45] <lifeless> but nevertheless, its a vcs
[07:45] <twb> I've migrated from moin's plain text backend
[07:46] <twb> Calling it a VCS is a bit of a stretch
[07:46] <ttx> kirkland, hggdh: I have no status on the B2 validation work items from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-uec-testing -- please update
[07:46] <twb> It'd be like calling LVM snapshotting a VCS
[07:47] <twb> lifeless: but yeah, FYI the moin devs are/were working on VCS backends, so maybe you can migrate to git or (bleh) bzr in a couple of years
[07:47] <rcsheets> right, in a "you could use it for that" sense
[07:48] <rcsheets> well i'll have to continue my quest for lucid docs later. thanks for the info :)
[07:48] <twb> When I migrated wiki.darcs.net from moin to gitit, I even imported the old commit history (except the spam).  That was fun!
[08:38] <ttx> soren: around ?
[09:01] <indigoparrot> hi there, anyone a Bacula user here?
[09:05] <twb> !anyone
[09:07] <indigoparrot> I'm running a bacula server on Ubuntu and I can't get it to connect to any of my window's clients. I've checked the IPs, passwords and users, all of which are correct. Any ideas?
[09:32] <bigon> is'nt that bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rng-tools/+bug/544545 a bug for ubuntu-server team?
[10:06] <indigoparrot> bumping my question from an hour ago - I'm running a bacula server on Ubuntu and I can't get it to connect to any of my window's clients. I've checked the IPs, passwords and users, all of which are correct. Any ideas?
[10:09] <darkk^> strace and/or wireshark it to check if you have proper connectivity (e.g. maybe firewall is blocking connects)
[10:09] <indigoparrot> I've telnet'd from the ubuntu box (director) to the bacula-fd servers (windows box) with no problem, it's accepting incoming connections on the right port
[10:12] <Schmidt> Am I right in assuming that it is futile to NAT traffic between two different private IP-networks? (range1 is <IP_ADDRESS>/24 and range2 <IP_ADDRESS>/24)
[10:16] <darkk^> Schmidt, what do you mean saying "futile" ? It's possible. Private IPs do not differ from public one from NAT point of view. :-)
[10:25] <PC_Nerd101> does apt-cacher use the local sources.list to determine which mirror to request from?  or does it simply make the exact request ( to the requested mirror) on behalf of the client?
[10:36] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: it uses the proxy defined in the apt/preferences file.
[10:37] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: AFAIK, clients use the proxy, not connction to repos directly (tail the apt_cacher logs?).
[10:37] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: Although I use apt-cacher-ng not apt-cacher.
[10:38] <Schmidt> darkk^: I meant "not possible", I thought computers dropped traffic going between two private ip-networks because of the spoof problem...
[10:38] <Schmidt> My actual problem was solved though :)
[10:40] <darkk^> Schmidt, openvpn is your friend if you're going to pass traffic between two private netwoks via public internet :-)
[10:43] <Schmidt> darkk^: We will implement a VPN solution, it's in the pipeline, but this was a top prio thing
[10:43] <Schmidt> We could actually solve it with ssh-tunnels
[10:43] <Schmidt> (something I am quite new to)
[10:44] <darkk^> right, openssh support both dumb port forwarding and something VPN-like via TunnelDevice.
[11:53] <binBASH> moin
[12:02] <johe|work> even moin
[12:03] <binBASH> anyone knows how to enable vnc for vms running in cloud?
[13:21] <ttx> smoser, kirkland: ping me when you get up
[13:22] <smoser> ttx, here.
[13:23] <ttx> smoser: o/
[13:23] <ttx> smoser: see pm
[13:35] <kirkland> ttx: here
[13:35] <ttx> kirkland: I finish with smoser and I'm all yours ;)
[13:35] <ttx> kirkland: see my message a few hours ago about B2 tests signoff
[13:41] <zul> ttx: upgrading from intrepid to lucid is supported?
[13:41] <ttx> zul: no
[13:41] <kirkland> ttx: i have no pm from you
[13:41] <ttx> kirkland: it was a public message:
 kirkland, hggdh: I have no status on the B2 validation work items from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-uec-testing -- please update
[13:42] <kirkland> ttx: right, there were issues, hggdh was still running them when i went to bed last night
[13:42] <kirkland> ttx: i'm looking to hear back from him this morning
[13:42] <ttx> kirkland: ok
[13:43] <ttx> kirkland: makes sense, let's wait a little
[13:56] <hggdh> kirkland: ttx no luck last night, same ssh timeouts
[13:56] <hggdh> kirkland: ttx I will mark it as postponed
[13:58] <ttx> hggdh: it's not really postponed, it's not done... since now you'll move to test the B2 release rather than the B2 candidate (and that's another work item)
[13:59] <kirkland> ttx: hggdh: okay, i'll sign off on your tests, but we need to get a bug opened about the ssh timeout issue
[13:59] <kirkland> hggdh: open a bug, and attach all the logs you can
[13:59] <kirkland> hggdh: i'll look into the eucalyptus side
[14:00] <ttx> hggdh: well, it's "done with some failures to investigate"
[14:00] <kirkland> ttx: and I'll need mathiaz to look into the test suite side (in case it's the test that's broken)
[14:00] <ttx> hggdh: ideally we'd have a report saying what worked and what didn't, to use as a data point when we'll compare with future tests
[14:02] <PC_Nerd101> I'm attempting to upgrade ( server) from 9.10 to 10.04 beta2 however sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release says there was no new release found.  I took the command from the LucidUpgrades page on comunity help.  Any suggestions on what I shoudl check?
[14:02] <kirkland> hggdh: poke me when you have that bug filed, and i'll sign off on the b2-candidate tests
[14:02] <kirkland> hggdh: also, create a junk bzr branch, and check in logs of your results
[14:03] <kirkland> hggdh: we need to come up with a better way of tracking "proof" that stuff worked at the milestones, but bzr will work for now
[14:03] <smoser> soren, ping
[14:03] <hggdh> ack
[14:09] <PC_Nerd101> bump* re. do-release-upgrade --devel-release reporting no new release.   Is this correct or is documentation incorrec ?
[14:09] <smoser> soren, ping regarding bug 524020. i attached a patch to trunk, if you'd like me to put a branch for sponsor for lucid i can.
[14:22] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: On 9.10, I just did "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" and it works.
[14:22] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: I aborted it at the (very) end of course :-)
[14:22] <sherr> This is 9.10 32bit desktop (laptop) though
[14:23] <PC_Nerd101> ok - well I just disabled the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy file to disable its proxy connection to apt-cacher... and got it started and (seemed to be ) working.. so I suspect that somewhere along the line apt-cacher might not be getting the updates....  I'm looking at bug reports now to see if I can spot anything...
[14:23] <PC_Nerd101> * I'm on 32 laptop as well, partitioned with ntfs on sda1 and 9.10 on sda3
[14:25] <aurigus> Does hdparm -t test write speeds? Or read speeds only?
[14:25] <sherr> aurigus: what does the manual page say?
[14:26] <aurigus> read
[14:27] <aurigus> does anyone have a handy command to test drive write speeds
[14:29] <aurigus> just discovered zcav
[14:46] <PC_Nerd101> sherr: I've checked bug reports and upgraded both client and cacher... I cannot find the cause of this issue.  I've checked and I can upgrade the client when it is not set through the cache proxy..  but it wont work when I have it through the proxy...
[14:48] <PC_Nerd101> sherr: further - When I update the "signature" without the proxy, cancel, reenable the proxy and attempt to upgrade again, I get "Failed Upgrade tool signature. ....  There may be a network problem." ..  any ideas?
[14:49] <sr1n1> Hi, how do I output something to the console-output from an init script on an EC2 machine?
[14:49] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: Sorry, no. Some of this might be the design of the program (do-release-upgrade). I don't know.
[14:50] <PC_Nerd101> sherr: no problem - so would you say the only current alternative ( that you know of) would be to simply download the updates to all machines I want to update to? - ie, not cache it?
[14:51] <sherr> PC_Nerd101: sorry, no idea. I'd probably do som research on the do-release... program and operation. Or wait for release.
[14:51] <hggdh> kirkland: bug 559230 opened, I am saving the logs
[15:06] <smoser> ttx, why did you assign bug 523148 to kirkland
[15:06] <smoser> it can't be fixed.
[15:06] <smoser> at least not without new code in libvirt
[15:11]  * ttx looks
[15:12] <kirkland> smoser: thanks, i'm going to mark wont-fix for lucid
[15:12] <ttx> someone targeted to lucid, probably before the investigation
[15:13] <ttx> smoser: in fact, kirkland did nominate it to Lucid :)
[15:13] <kirkland> ttx: that was when I thought it was fixed in 0.7.7
[15:13] <kirkland> ttx: and jdstrand and I were trying to build a case for or against 0.7.7
[15:14] <ttx> kirkland: ack, makes sense to wontfix it then
[15:14] <kirkland> done
[15:14] <smoser> and this is not fixed in 0.7.7 or libvirt trunk.
[15:14] <binBASH> Anyone knows how to enable vnc for the vms in uec please?
[15:18] <smoser> binBASH, you'll need to install a vnc server inside them.
[15:18] <binBASH> smoser: it's not possible to use the kvm inbuilt vnc?
[15:18] <smoser> graphical console access is not something that uec/ec2 offer . and the serial console offered is read-only.
[15:19] <binBASH> smoser: I think I started kvm manually and was able to use vnc.
[15:19] <smoser> you could fairly easily hack it, and enable 'vnc' as console.. but without some trickery, you'd then have to connect to the node controller to get at it.
[15:20] <sommer> \
[15:20] <smoser> binBASH, yes, libvirt/kvm do offer this. eucalyptus/ec2 do not expose it (and the libvirt xml that they write do not contain 'console: vnc' or whatever the syntax is
[15:20] <binBASH> smoser: well I have to find a way how to get networking working, with this provider dilemma ;)
[15:21] <smoser> i havne't been following, so i dont know exactly the delimia
[15:21] <binBASH> smoser: The provider gives 4 ips per server. they cannot be moved to another one.
[15:22] <binBASH> and I don't wanna do NAT because there's a 2 tb traffic limit per server
[15:22] <binBASH> I configured a br0 bridge, and when I launch kvm manually I can configure the networking inside the vm.
[15:22] <binBASH> via the vnc
[15:23] <smoser> binBASH, well, whatever you do manually inside there, you can do via script in --user-data-file=
[15:23] <smoser> when launched
[15:23] <smoser> ie:
[15:23] <binBASH> I think via dhcp it's not possible to configure an ip range per mac address as well
[15:23] <smoser> euca-run-instances --user-data-file=my-setup-networking-script.txt emi-xxxxxxx
[15:24] <smoser> thats probably going to fail though for the lucid images....
[15:24] <smoser> as nothing will happen until eth0 comes up
[15:24] <smoser> hmm..
[15:28] <binBASH> smoser: But see this is a real dilemma :P
[15:28] <smoser> binBASH, you might be able to set up each node as an "availability zone"
[15:28] <smoser> if IP addresses could be limited to an availabilitty szone then you'd be set
[15:28] <smoser> but i dont know if they can
[15:29] <smoser> in ec2 they are not
[15:29] <binBASH> smoser: It would be nice if it's possible ;)
[15:29] <smoser> i ca'nt think of a clean way that isn't going to require you modifying eucalyptus
[15:30] <amine_> hello, looking for a good doc in Ubuntu bridging.. any suggestions !
[15:30] <binBASH> smoser: I don't think you can modify eucalyptus
[15:30] <binBASH> class files.....
[15:31] <smoser> well you can rebuild
[15:31] <smoser> ppa and such
[15:31] <binBASH> java files available?
[15:31] <smoser> you *can* modify class files too... you just have to be uber smart :)
[15:31] <smoser> its all built from source
[15:31] <binBASH> :p
[15:31] <smoser> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/eucalyptus
[15:32] <binBASH> smoser: The eucalyptus web iface is kinda limited.
[15:33] <binBASH> smoser: I'll write to eucalyptus forum first, before doing such big changes ;)
[15:33] <smoser> probably a good idea
[15:34] <binBASH> maybe it's better to write a custom cloud iface anyways for what I really need ;)
[15:34] <binBASH> because I want to define data centers virtually and have people routed via geoip to vms
[15:35] <binBASH> dunno if this is all possible with eucalyptus
[15:36] <binBASH> I dunno as well if it's possible to move running vms.
[15:36] <binBASH> like I have a node in netherlands and one in usa and want to move nl to usa
[15:38] <smoser> it is not possible to move running vms on eucalyptus
[15:38] <binBASH> do you know if it's possible with kvm at all?
[15:53] <ttx> mathiaz: ping
[15:53] <mathiaz> ttx: o^1098
[15:54] <ttx> mathiaz: see pm
[16:01] <smoser> binBASH, it is possible with kvm, yes.
[16:01] <smoser> but it requires shared storage between the nodes
[16:01] <smoser> as, i believe, does even vmware
[16:02] <smoser> which means the migrate-across-an-ocean thing is not too terribly reasonable.
[16:04] <binBASH> smoser: I have shared storage
[16:04] <binBASH> glusterfs......
[16:05] <smoser> well, it can be done. kvm does support it, and libvirt exposes it. eucalyptus does neither.
[16:05] <binBASH> ok
[16:23] <binBASH> smoser: I wonder what happens if I start a dhcpd on each node.
[16:23] <binBASH> if the dhclient in the vm can use it. :)
[16:23] <smoser> it would probably dpend on the type of setup you have.
[16:23] <smoser> i wondered what would happen there, though.
[16:24] <binBASH> because then I could configure the ranges there.
[16:24] <smoser> will a dhcp request from a node controller even get to your cloud controller ?
[16:24] <binBASH> Dunno
[16:24] <smoser> the fallout will be that euca-describe-images won't know the IP.
[16:24] <smoser> there is a mode in eucalyptus that allows for this.
[16:24] <smoser> it hackily tries to get the IP of the node via arp.
[16:25] <binBASH> I think it can't get the dhcp from cloud controller, because nodes are not on same switch
[18:41] <Rafael_> I posted this question a few days ago, but have not solve it yet: I use rsync to copy a  windows client folder into the ubuntu server every using rsync and Cron. So for example Folder “test” on windows is mounted on ubuntu and from there thu rsync it copies into another folder,  at the present moment to do this I have to share on the windows computer the folder “test”with every body for this to happen…. i would
[18:41] <Rafael_>  like to know if there is a way to avoid sharing my windows folder with everybody?
[18:59] <rcsheets`osu> while setting up grub-pc 1.98-1ubuntu4, i got this message:
[18:59] <rcsheets`osu> File descriptor 3 (pipe:[8183]) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 2877: /bin/sh
[19:02] <rcsheets`osu> should i be concerned?
[19:39] <soren> ScottK: Care to take a look at bug 559462? I'm about to disappear for a week so it would be nice to get this handled before then.
[19:40] <ScottK> Looking
[19:40] <soren> ta
[19:41] <ScottK> soren: As long as you can find and archive admin with time for the New review, approved.
[19:41] <soren> ScottK: Awesome, thanks.
[19:46] <trappist> I've created a new user, and for some reason his processes are listed in ps by his uid, not his username.  this is giving me some permissions issues.  /etc/passwd looks right, where else should I look to resolve this?
[19:49] <guntbert> trappist: 1) getent passwd <user>   -- compare with 2) getent passwd <hisuid>
[19:53] <trappist> ah getent, that's what I was trying to conjure up
[19:54] <trappist> they match
[19:55] <guntbert> trappist: and what does ls -ld /home/user show, the uid or the name?
[19:57] <trappist> the name... I think ps is doing this because the username is a tad long, 'telluride'
[19:57] <trappist> just saw the same thing on another machine (that's behaving) with the same user
[19:59] <birmaan> hoi
[20:02] <guntbert> trappist: you are right I just tested it by varying a username
[20:05] <trappist> so I guess I've narrowed it down to a bug in the god rubygem
[20:21] <trappist> guntbert: thanks
[20:31] <KristianDK> Hello! I just installed an Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud Cluster/Controller - where do i find the username/password for the web interface?
[20:31] <KristianDK> i tried admin/admin as described on the wiki, but it claims there is no such username
[20:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: ping
[20:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: o/
[20:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: could you have a look at hggdh's results for config_multi?
[20:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: those failed pretty badly
[20:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: where?
[20:38] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm hoping for a bug in the testing script, or perhaps the configuration
[20:39] <kirkland> hggdh: hey, where's your results posted?
[20:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: i asked hggdh to commit his test results to a bzr branch
[20:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: for tracking across milestones
[20:39] <kirkland> hggdh: and what's the bug # you opened?
[20:42] <hggdh> kirkland, mathiaz -- /home/cerdea/uec-testing.tar
[20:42] <hggdh> kirkland: I have not yet commited to a public bzr
[20:43] <gzmask> guys, after I install UEC I can't use my account to login in ecalyptus web portal
[20:44] <hggdh> kirkland, mathiaz no, this is not the last runs, I will upload them there
[20:44] <gzmask> do I need to adduser first?
[20:44] <kirkland> hggdh: okay
[20:45] <kirkland> gzmask: admin/admin
[20:45] <kirkland> gzmask: is the default username/password
[20:45] <gzmask> kirkland: Error: Username 'admin' not found
[20:46] <hggdh> kirkland, mathiaz /home/cerdea/uec-test.tar.gz on tamarinf
[20:47] <hggdh> kirkland, mathiaz bug 559230
[20:47] <ScottK> lamont: Now that you're EOW, would you mind putting your postfix maintainer's hat on for a moment?
[20:48] <kirkland> gzmask: in the web frontend?
[20:48] <kirkland> gzmask: https://wherever:8443/ ?
[20:48] <gzmask> ya, at port 8443
[20:49] <kirkland> gzmask: hmm, sounds like your install is incorrect?
[20:49] <gzmask> can be, first time trying to
[20:50] <gzmask> but I can login in the bash shell using the account I created
[20:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, howdy!! I meant to ask you if for the modularization we should drop the default setting of variables in the code, and just use the config file for defaults. Or, should we keep it?
[20:52] <KristianDK> gzmask, i have the same problem - i just installed like an hour ago
[20:53] <gzmask> KristianDK: have you figured something out yet? I am googling but nothing catches my eye yet
[20:53] <KristianDK> gzmask, nothing at all - everywhere it says "just type admin/admin" and it should work
[20:53] <KristianDK> ive been googling like everything
[20:54] <gzmask> hmmm.... maybe I should switch to Xen on ubuntu then
[20:54] <KristianDK> kirkland, you never heard about this issue before?
[20:55] <kirkland> KristianDK: gzmask: gimme a minute ... i just installed fresh
[20:55] <kirkland> KristianDK: gzmask: can you confirm that this is 10.04 Beta2 ?
[20:55] <KristianDK> kirkland, Im using 9.10
[20:56] <KristianDK> but i could try with the 10.04 beta too
[20:56] <gzmask> 9.10 x64 versoin ubuntu server iso
[20:56] <kirkland> KristianDK: gzmask: okay, i just tested 10.04 Beta2, and admin/admin works perfectly on first login
[20:56] <kirkland> KristianDK: gzmask: i don't have a 9.10 setup right now
[20:56] <kirkland> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/CDInstall
[20:56] <KristianDK> kirkland, i can give you SSH to my brand new setup if you want :P
[20:56] <kirkland> that should be instructions
[20:57] <kirkland> KristianDK: sorry, i'm slammed trying to fix 10.04 issues
[20:57] <kirkland> KristianDK: no time for 9.10, dr. jones
[20:57] <KristianDK> hehe, ok - np :D
[20:57] <kirkland> :-)
[20:57] <KristianDK> i guess i have to try installing the 10.04 then
[20:57] <KristianDK> :D
[20:57] <gzmask> gonna check my installation steps. thanks kirkland
[20:57] <kirkland> KristianDK: it's way better :-D
[20:57] <kirkland> gzmask: k
[20:57] <kirkland> gzmask: open a bug, if you can reproduce this again
[20:58] <kirkland> oh, also ...
[20:58] <kirkland> gzmask: KristianDK: are you sudo apt-get dist-upgraded to the latest 9.10 ?
[20:58] <kirkland> gzmask: KristianDK: there are a few really important euca bug fixes in there
[20:58] <KristianDK> no, its just a fresh install, no commands used at all
[20:58] <kirkland> gzmask: KristianDK: one that could solve your issue (database problems)
[20:58] <gzmask> not yet, gonna do it now
[20:58] <kirkland> KristianDK: oh, i'm sure that's it
[20:58] <kirkland> gzmask: ^
[20:58] <kirkland> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:59] <kirkland> give it a few minutes to restart all of your services, etc.
[20:59] <KristianDK> I'll just give it a go, it wont take more than a few minutes it seems :)
[21:00] <KristianDK> kirkland, do you btw know which date they will launch 10.04?
[21:00] <genii> April 29
[21:01] <KristianDK> ty :D
[21:03] <KristianDK> gzmask, kirkland, after the update it seems to work :)
[21:03] <KristianDK> just for the record
[21:04] <gzmask> cool, my internet sucks, still updating
[21:12] <gzmask> worked, apt-get won again
[21:24] <xgpt> hey everyone, what SMTP server should I use for my home server? I don't need anything too fancy...simple is better.
[21:26] <guntbert> xgpt: why do you need an smtp server at all?
[21:27] <xgpt> because I want to start spamming viagra ads...kidding i just want to play around with one
[21:28] <cloakable> xgpt: dovecot-postfix :)
[21:29] <guntbert> xgpt: if you keep it strictly private it doesn't really matter - but I like dovecot
[21:29] <funkyHat> dovecot isn't an smtp server
[21:34] <guntbert> funkyHat: thx - I don't know what happened to my brain  :-/
[21:34]  * guntbert blushes
[21:40] <funkyHat> guntbert: hehe
[21:40] <kirkland> KristianDK: ;-)
[21:46] <lullabud> is there a command that will indicate if your hardware does hardware virtualization?  i have a collection of misc boxes, trying to find some spares to use for a test environment for UEC
[21:47] <nekro_> lullabud: try kvm-ok
[21:47] <nekro_> lullabud: also "modprobe kvm ; lsmod | grep kvm" will show you kvm_intel or kvm_amd if you have hardware support
[21:48] <lullabud> thanks
[21:49] <lullabud> w00t, that is exactly what i need, thanks!
[21:57] <eaglecoth> Hey, I followed the InternetConnectionSharing Guide on ubuntu.org,  it works flawlesslys
[21:58] <eaglecoth> however, setup is not kept after reboot, where is the proper place to configure bootup internetsharing?
[22:16] <deliverance> hey guys
[22:24] <pwnguin> am i crazy or does NTP not work correctly out of the box?
[22:25] <pwnguin> it looks like ntpdate-debian uses /etc/ntp.conf by default, which requires ntp to be installed
[22:56] <GhostFreeman> Has anyone managed to get Tokyo Cabinet and Tokyo Tyrant running on 9.10
[23:01] <soren> What on Earth is that?
[23:04] <GhostFreeman> its a clone of dbm
[23:04] <GhostFreeman> its pretty popular with all the nosql kids


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[01:33] <Logan> tsimonq2: taking a look
[01:34] <Logan> tsimonq2: should be safe to sync - I'd do a test build first to ensure that it still doesn't complain about the implicit pointer conversion
[22:26] <mwhudson> sigh, distro development:
[22:28] <mwhudson> python-setuptools is held in proposed by the diffoscope autopkgtests which fail for a reason that is 100% not due to setuptools
[22:28] <mwhudson> diffoscope has its own version in proposed which ftbfs for an entirely different reason
[22:41] <mwhudson> and it builds in sid
[22:41] <mwhudson> fabulous
[22:43] <Unit193> Sounds like you're having a wonderful day.
[22:48] <mwhudson> i guess the autopkgtest failure should be hinted
[22:48] <mwhudson> and the other crud can be left for the next person
[22:53] <Unit193> Can I bother you really horribly and request a retry of gocryptfs on the failing arches?
[23:28] <mwhudson> Unit193: how horrible indeed!
[23:28] <mwhudson> (done)
[23:29] <Unit193> Thanks, good sir.
[23:30] <mwhudson> what'
[23:30] <mwhudson> s the easiest way of poking a file into a chroot?
[23:31] <mwhudson> schroot
[23:32] <Unit193> You mean, cp foo.deb /var/cache/pbuilder/build/28204/buildd/ ? :P
[23:34] <mwhudson> well sbuild for that, yes
[23:35] <Unit193> I've only done that once or twice when the build failed and it dumped off into the chroot.  Never used sbuild in my life. :3
[23:36] <mwhudson> fair enough
[23:37] <mwhudson> ah both schroots mount a shared scratch area
[23:38] <mwhudson> grrr http://paste.ubuntu.com/25158654/
[23:38] <slangasek> tdaitx: do you know why the new openjdk-9 package seems to cause an autopkgtest regression (reproducible) on s390x?
[23:42] <xnox> i should go to sleep if slangasek & mwhudson are awake =)
[23:47] <mwhudson> xnox: you sure you don't want to agonize over details of binutils behaviour changes?
[23:49] <xnox> binutils is dark magic to me, and when the dark magic changes i get very nervous. Cause i'm like - was the previous dark magic too grey?!


  Well, would you mind if I came back into #ubuntu?
[11:06] <bazhang> wyoung, you there?
[11:06] <wyoung> Any one?
[11:09] <wyoung> hmmm, nap time again?
[11:09] <bazhang> wyoung, yes I am here
[11:09] <wyoung> bazhang: welcome back
[11:10] <bazhang> wyoung, I never left, you have not responded to my many prompting of the last few weeks
[11:10] <k1l> wyoung: i am not conviced to unban you due to the incidents. bazhang offers to talk with you about the bans. if you dont want that you will need to make an appeal to the ircc.
[11:10] <wyoung> bazhang: yes you were ignored
[11:11] <wyoung> no I just don't really want to talk to bazhang
[11:11] <bazhang> wyoung, I think you have an issue staying ontopic in #ubuntu
[11:11] <wyoung> and apparantly in #ubuntu-offtopic too, if that is possible
[11:12] <bazhang> lets not cloud the issue
[11:12] <wyoung> bazhang: Yeah I get side tract
[11:12] <wyoung> tracked
[11:16] <wyoung> bazhang: How has #ubuntu been in my absence?
[11:16] <bazhang> wyoung, lets keep to the topic at hand
[11:17] <wyoung> of course
[11:17] <bazhang> wyoung, someone prompting you to stay on topic is not offtopic
[11:18] <wyoung> bazhang: Wouldn't a private message be more appropriate?
[11:18] <bazhang> wyoung, for what
[11:19] <wyoung> To notify someone they are being offtopic, rather than in the channel
[11:19] <bazhang> wyoung, does that include you joining other ubuntu channels to curse out the op
[11:21] <wyoung> bazhang: That sounds liek a trick question
 fuck bazhang is a dick
[11:22] <bazhang> it's not a trick question
[11:22] <wyoung> I think the best way to handle that is to put said op on your ignore list
[11:22] <wyoung> That way you are not provoked in responding that way
[11:23] <bazhang> wyoung, someone prompting you to stay on topic is not a provocation
[11:24] <wyoung> I really can't be bothered to go through the chat log and re-live that momment, how about we move on
[11:24] <bazhang> sure
[11:24] <bazhang> the ban stays wyoung
[11:24] <wyoung> That doesn't sound like moving on, that sounds like holding a grudge
[11:25] <wyoung> Do you require an apology or something?
[11:25] <bazhang> wyoung, putting those who ask you to stay on topic on your ignore list is not a way to go
[11:25] <wyoung> Because that I can do as it was inappropriate to curse at you in a ubuntu channel, I should of done that in private message or just bit my tongue some more
[11:26] <bazhang> wyoung, I just do not feel confident, going forward, that you will stay on topic without creating more issues
[11:26] <wyoung> bazhang: You are currently not on my ignore list
[11:27] <wyoung> I see, I didn't realised you made unilateral decisions for #ubuntu.
[11:28] <wyoung> I will take that into consideration
[11:29] <wyoung> bazhang: although I guess the only way to be certain is to unban me
[11:31] <wyoung> well, one of the ways, I am sure we can think of others
[11:33] <bazhang> wyoung, was there anything further? the ban stays
[11:34] <wyoung> hmmm, that wasn't the outcome I was hoping
[11:34] <wyoung> I guess not unless I can change your mind
[11:35] <bazhang> theres nothing further to discuss at this time wyoung
[11:36] <wyoung> When should we reconvene?
[11:36] <wyoung> in a week?
[19:52] <Pici> the bot's package indexes get updated once an hour, iirc, so the lag time should be minimal


[09:59] <ryu0> Anyone able to access launchpad right now?
[10:04] <LGee> hello, I have trouble accessing https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpdk - I have an Uh oh! error page, can anyone confirm if it's not just for me?
[10:04] <LGee> Thanks
[10:05] <cjwatson> it's up for me from multiple locations
[10:06] <LGee> OK, thanks, I figured it has something to do with firefox.
[10:07] <cpaelzer> LGee: and depending what you looked for there you might want to instead go to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/dpdk/+git/dpdk/ or https://gerrit.fd.io/r/#/admin/projects/deb_dpdk,branches
[10:16] <LGee> cpaelzer: thanks, I have found that (I needed the files used for packaging)
[10:17] <cjwatson> (seems like we had a brief timeout spike, but it's passed now)
[10:17] <LGee> By the way, it came back so it was indeed the site
[10:17] <LGee> yes\
[10:25] <cpaelzer> LGee: if you have any feedback/discussion/fixes pelsae don't hesitate to join the #deb_dpdk channel here
[10:25] <cpaelzer> or even "please"
[10:39] <LGee> Oh, good to know that such channel exists.
[21:53] <Mc> If I'm not mistaken, this is on of the worst days ever for spam in launchpad, right now sending a spam every three seconds for inkscape alone, 5k spams in the last 24h
[21:54] <wxl> define spam, Mc
[21:54] <Mc> [Question #503909]: #ALASKA#मुर्गी बर्गर #Kellyanne Conway #Ash Wednesday >>> quickbooks support phone number 1800 436 0259!!!!<<<<<>>>>>     Donalt @@@ DADA  #Wednesday
[21:54] <wxl> ahh in questions ok
[21:55] <Mc> yes
[21:55] <Mc> a few spams slipped in bugs section too
[21:55] <wxl> wow yep
[21:55] <wxl> looks like some of those folks have had their lp accounts disabled
[21:56] <wxl> did you talk to #canonical-sysadmin to make that happen by chance?
[21:56] <Mc> ?
[21:56] <wxl> that's a no. :)
[22:10] <wxl> Mc: wgrant's working on it. he actually has been. O_O
[22:11] <Mc> thanks for forwarding :)
[22:11] <wxl> np, np
[22:12] <wxl> this *IS* the right place to ask about those sorts of things. #canonical-sysadmin might be better if well, it totally disappears off the internet :)
[22:12] <Mc> would it be possible, at least as a temporary solution, to put a Recaptcha on launchpad answers ?
[22:13] <wxl> i'll let wgrant answer that question but my presumption is that's not without difficulty
[22:13] <wgrant> Mc: As hard as it might be to believe, you're not even seeing most of the spam :/ It's not possible to add a recaptcha to Answers in any reasonable timeframe, but there *is* a recaptcha on account registration and that doesn't stop them.
[22:14] <wxl> my experience in the past is that these spammers are not pure bots
[22:14] <wgrant> No, they're definitely human.
[22:15] <wgrant> And they're attacking tonnes of other sites as well, most of them just don't offer direct email subscriptions.
[22:15] <wgrant> I've tweaked some things so it should be better now, but we'll see.
[22:16] <Mc> Just tried to create an account, there is no captcha
[22:17] <Mc> ah, sorry
[22:17] <Mc> it's sent by email
[22:17] <wgrant> There is at verification time.
[22:17] <wgrant> You can't log into LP until you've verified your email address
[22:17] <wgrant> Yep
[22:18] <cjwatson> Yeah, I've been testing SSO changes today and can very definitely affirm that there is a recaptcha in there, having had to solve the damn thing multiple times
[22:18] <wgrant> These guys have no problem with captchas anywhere on the Internet, unfortunately. They have lots of manpower to burn.
[22:19] <wgrant> Anyway, things should be much better as of about half an hour ago.
[22:19] <wgrant> I'm keeping an eye on things.
[22:19] <Mc> still 1spam/2sec
[22:20] <wgrant> Oh, possibly an email queue.
[22:20] <wgrant> What's the latest number you've received?
[22:20] <Mc> 504150
[22:20] <Mc> 504155
[22:20] <wgrant> Ah, yeah, you're hours behind. Let me see if I can clean that up.
[22:21] <wgrant> (also you could just unsubscribe from emails :))
[22:30] <Mc> it's weird having the captcha in the email; when i'm forwarding it to myself without solving the captcha and viewing it in text mode, i have the impression that i can skip it
[22:31] <wgrant> The captcha's node in the email, it's in the page linked from the email.
[22:31] <wgrant> s/node/not/
[22:34] <Mc> ok, so i definitely have no captcha on thunderbird, trying with an adress not in a webstuff