[07:36] <Vanaeph> Hi I am trying to setup Sickbeard with SABnzbd+ in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and I keep getting errors when I try to run the SickBeard.py file. I was wondering if there is anyone in here that can help me set it up?
[07:46] <slooksterpsv> Vanaeph: whats the error you get?
[07:46] <Vanaeph> The error I keep getting is " ImportError: No module named _sqlite3" and the a bunch of line references.  I googled the error and rdon't really know anything about it.
[07:47] <slooksterpsv> do you have python-sqlite installed?
[07:47] <slooksterpsv> or rather sqlite3?
[07:48] <Vanaeph> I have python 2.6.6 installed
[07:48] <slooksterpsv> perfect, do you know how to open a terminal window?
[07:48] <Vanaeph> yes
[07:48] <slooksterpsv> ok run the following command in the terminal: sudo apt-get install sqlite3 python-sqlite
[07:49] <slooksterpsv> and then try it :D
[07:49] <slooksterpsv> brb
[07:50] <Vanaeph> thanks :)
[07:53] <Vanaeph> ok did that and the message changed a bit to : File "/home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py", line 32, in <module>
[07:53] <Vanaeph>     import sqlite3
[07:53] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 24, in <module>
[07:53] <Vanaeph>     from dbapi2 import *
[07:53] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module>
[07:53] <Vanaeph>     from _sqlite3 import *
[07:53] <Vanaeph> ImportError: No module named _sqlite3
[07:54] <Vanaeph> it looks like i need something names dbapi2.py
[07:55] <slooksterpsv> sudo apt-get install python-psycopg2
[07:56] <slooksterpsv> oh woops don't install the pyscopg2
[07:56] <Vanaeph> ok
[07:56] <Vanaeph> I got me right on the Y/N screen :)
[07:56] <slooksterpsv> ok after I installed those packages I could import sqlite3 and _sqlite, are you still receiving the error message for no module named _sqlite3 then?
[07:57] <Vanaeph> yes let me try and reinstall them again quick
[08:00] <Vanaeph> yeah I  used the terminal command: "sudo apt-get install sqlite3 python-sqlite" and then: "python /home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py" and I still get the same error message.
[08:00] <slooksterpsv> hmmm...
[08:01] <Vanaeph> i'll cut and paste my last terminal commands to see if that will help
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? n
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Abort.
[08:02] <Vanaeph> greg@greg-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install sqlite3 python-sqlite
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Reading package lists... Done
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Building dependency tree
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Reading state information... Done
[08:02] <Vanaeph> sqlite3 is already the newest version.
[08:02] <Vanaeph> python-sqlite is already the newest version.
[08:02] <Vanaeph> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   libqt4-assistant libqt4-webkit libqtassistantclient4
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[08:02] <Vanaeph> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
[08:02] <Vanaeph> greg@greg-desktop:~$ python /home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py", line 32, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     import sqlite3
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 24, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     from dbapi2 import *
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     from _sqlite3 import *
[08:02] <Vanaeph> ImportError: No module named _sqlite3
[08:02] <Vanaeph> greg@greg-desktop:~$ python /home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py
[08:02] <Vanaeph> Traceback (most recent call last):
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/home/greg/.sickbeard/SickBeard.py", line 32, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     import sqlite3
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 24, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     from dbapi2 import *
[08:02] <Vanaeph>   File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 27, in <module>
[08:02] <Vanaeph>     from _sqlite3 import *
[08:02] <Vanaeph> ImportError: No module named _sqlite3
[08:02] <Vanaeph> greg@greg-desktop:~$
[08:03] <slooksterpsv> umm should have told you to use pastebin no worries though
[08:04] <slooksterpsv> Vanaeph - try this, type in python, then type in the following: import sqlite3 <enter> import _sqlite3 <enter>
[08:04] <slooksterpsv> if that fails let me know
[08:05] <Vanaeph> you want me to be in the interpreter right?
[08:05] <slooksterpsv> yes
[08:06] <hobgoblin> Vanaeph: please use paste.ubuntu.com in future
[08:06] <slooksterpsv> hobgoblin: I thought it was pastebin.ubuntu.com weird
[08:07] <shadeslayer> i think you need libsqlite3-0 ... might be wrong tho
[08:07] <Vanaeph> ok sorry about that
[08:07] <slooksterpsv> shadeslayer: hmm dunno, I got it to work on my computer, but then again sometimes I have like 1000s of packages installed that may resolve the issues and that
[08:08] <shadeslayer> slooksterpsv: yeah, works for me too, i did dpkg -l and grepped _sqlite3
[08:08] <shadeslayer> rather sqlite3
[08:08] <slooksterpsv> so Vaneph did those commands work in the interpreter?
[08:08] <shadeslayer> ( but then i have 10.10 )
[08:08] <slooksterpsv> shadeslayer: ditto
[08:09] <Vanaeph> no dice
[08:09] <slooksterpsv> Vanaeph: did they work in the interpreter?
[08:11] <Vanaeph> it seems to me that _sqlite3 did not but the other one did
[08:11] <slooksterpsv> type this into terminal: locate _sqlite3
[08:12] <Vanaeph> ok
[08:12] <slooksterpsv> does it find anything?
[08:13] <Vanaeph> yep usr/lib/python2.6/lib-dynload/_sqlite3.so
[08:14] <Vanaeph> and then another one in my python 3.1 dir
[08:15] <slooksterpsv> gonna do a vm install of 10.04 and try it, is that the version you're running?
[08:15] <Vanaeph> 10.04 LTS
[08:15] <Vanaeph> so yes
[08:15] <slooksterpsv> haha from booting from the LTS cd and running that in a python shell, it works automatically
[08:16] <slooksterpsv> do you have any ppa's enabled for items like python or that
[08:17] <Vanaeph> I don't know really I had this brain fart to try and  learn python so I've installed like three different versions and I'm sure I must have screwed something up along the way
[08:17] <slooksterpsv> hmmm
[08:18] <Vanaeph> the only ppa i have are kubuntu backports and jcfp
[08:19] <Vanaeph> oops and google talk
[08:19] <slooksterpsv> do this: sudo apt-get purge python-sqlite && sudo apt-get install python-sqlite
[08:19] <Vanaeph> k
[08:20] <Vanaeph> haha no dice
[08:24] <Vanaeph> So if I were to use my live cd and try and run this it should work right?
[08:24] <Vanaeph> for 10.04
[08:26] <slooksterpsv> should yes
[08:27] <Vanaeph> ok I just installed 10.04 on my laptop the other night I'll try and get it to work on that
[08:27] <Vanaeph> thanks for your help
[08:45] <Puck`> good morning everyone (:
[08:48] <slooksterpsv> morning Puck`
[09:52] <helloren> i am trying to install tree to a ubuntu openssh server
[09:53] <helloren> so i typed in sudo apt-get install tree
[09:53] <helloren> and i get
[09:53] <helloren> Reading package lists... Done
[09:53] <helloren> Building dependency tree
[09:53] <helloren> Reading state information... Done
[09:53] <helloren> E: Couldn't find package tree
[09:54] <helloren> i did apt-get update and i got lots of failed hash sun mismatch
[09:54] <bioterror> can you put them on pastebin
[09:54] <helloren> and there are other apt's i would like to use but i can install them
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/multiverse/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/restricted/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <bioterror> !flood
[09:55] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/multiverse/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/restricted/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/universe/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[09:55] <helloren> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/multiverse/source/So
[09:55] <helloren> like that?
[09:55] <slooksterpsv> sounds like it's not connected to the internet
[09:56] <helloren> it is
[09:56] <helloren> i can get online and even look at some web pager in lynx
[09:56] <helloren> and did a ssh to my schools linux computer
[09:59] <slooksterpsv> run sudo apt-get update if you haven't done so already
[10:00] <slooksterpsv> helloren: sorry there's one other thing we need to run before that
[10:01] <helloren> what?
[10:01] <helloren> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518603/
[10:01] <helloren> here look at this
[10:03] <slooksterpsv> helloren: whats your isp?
[10:04] <helloren> antietam cable in hagertown md
[10:04] <helloren> hagerstown md**
[10:04] <slooksterpsv> a couple of things could be happening, the server your using is overloaded or your isp is caching some of the data to where it's pulling outdated packages from your isps cache
[10:05] <helloren> i have a computer that cashishs all internet data to and from the house.
[10:06] <helloren> but this has never happend becouse of it. i have been useing it now for 1+ year
[10:06] <slooksterpsv> helloren: can you flush that proxy's cache?
[10:06] <helloren> not at this time
[10:07] <helloren> ok the apt-get does work just not on the openssh server, my ubuntu desktop apt-get works just fine and i just installed both of them last night
[10:09] <slooksterpsv> helloren: try apt-get clean then apt-get update
[10:10] <helloren> failed hash sum mismatch
[10:10] <helloren> on all files
[10:10] <helloren> well URLs
[10:16] <slooksterpsv> helloren: I'm going to put something in a pastebin I'd like you to run it all
[10:16] <helloren> kk
[10:18] <slooksterpsv> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/518610/ - this should regenerate a lot of items for apt-get, it will try and do an upgrade as well as force installations if something is stuck, etc.
[10:19] <bioterror> I've never seen hash sum failures in apt-get
[10:19] <helloren> so run 1 line at a time?
[10:20] <slooksterpsv> yeah
[10:20] <slooksterpsv> I forgot my squid was running so I'm going to do what you're doing
[10:22] <slooksterpsv> well mine functions fine, so yeah... try that, if it fails I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows of someway to help
[10:22] <StockHunter> who wants to help a total n00b? i changed my resolution to a setting thats too high for my laptop and now can't see anything when i log in. could someone help me through resetting it to default in term? I'm using Xubuntu
[10:24] <slooksterpsv> I had this issue before StockHunter - I think I had to add the display icon to the panel then switch it to a higher res
[10:25] <StockHunter> i have no clue as to how to do that
[10:26] <StockHunter> like i said, total n00b
[10:26] <slooksterpsv> well can you see the black bar at the top?
[10:26] <StockHunter> or is there a way to make another user, then delete the old one?
[10:27] <slooksterpsv> there is, through terminal (command line interface)
[10:27] <helloren> slooksterpsv: well i hate openssh server ubuntu 10.4, i did all the lines and it failed. and update did not work
[10:27] <StockHunter> k, 1sec i have someone else helping me now, if we can't work it then i'll ask you how to do it through terminal
[10:28] <slooksterpsv> helloren: hmmm... I'm not sure what else we can try, if  you'd like I can find it in the repo's and you could run wget -c <urltothedeb> and then run a dpkg -i <onthedeb> file, only caveat is that we won't resolve dependencies if there are any
[10:28] <slooksterpsv> StockHunter: alrighty, just let me know :)
[10:29] <helloren> dam
[10:29] <helloren> i am going to play with it for a min then go to bed it is late here
[10:29] <helloren> try some more latter on thanks tho
[10:30] <helloren> i learn more every day
[10:30] <slooksterpsv> you're welcome,
[10:30] <slooksterpsv> helloren: yup Ubuntu is a learning experience I'm still finding out new and various things
[10:30] <helloren> i will be loged on but not here
[10:30] <helloren> nite
[10:30] <slooksterpsv> gnight
[10:44] <LeMoiLib> Hello world! I'm trying to install a feature in a package and it seems as there should be some internet downloading but the proxy stoped the process requiring an authentication. this is the error message:
[10:44] <LeMoiLib> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required
[10:44] <LeMoiLib> 2010-10-23 10:25:27 ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required.
[10:44] <LeMoiLib> how do I resolve that?????????
[10:45] <slooksterpsv> are you using a proxy server?
[10:45] <LeMoiLib> It is from the command line
[10:45] <slooksterpsv> ok so you've done export http_proxy=<yourproxyip> and that
[10:50] <LeMoiLib> nope! what's that?
[10:55] <slooksterpsv> a proxy server caches all the information on sites you access so isntead of using bandwidth and reloading the page from the internet, it just loads it from cache; with the proxy item it sounds like you have a proxy server
[10:58] <LeMoiLib> I know that
[10:58] <LeMoiLib> asking what's were to put the command?
[11:10] <slooksterpsv> oh in terminal run: export http_proxy=<yourip>
[11:10] <slooksterpsv> then try sudo apt-get....
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> let me tell you line by line what I'm up to:
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> wget http://dev.midnightcoding.org/redmine/attachments/download/24/gummi_0.4.8-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> --2010-10-23 10:25:27--  http://dev.midnightcoding.org/redmine/attachments/download/24/gummi_0.4.8-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> that's in the command line
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> then I got
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 407 Proxy Authentication Required
[11:13] <LeMoiLib> 2010-10-23 10:25:27 ERROR 407: Proxy Authentication Required.
[11:17] <slooksterpsv> I'm not sure then.. weird
[11:22] <LeMoiLib> but do you know how to edit the bash.bashrc file in ~/etc/
[11:24] <bioterror> there's no ̃̃~/etc
[11:24] <bioterror> it's /etc/
[11:24] <bioterror> sudo nano /etc/bash.bashrc
[11:25] <LeMoiLib> hi bio! trying....
[11:25] <bioterror> hi, that should work
[11:26] <LeMoiLib> do I have nano install? I have gedit
[11:28] <LeMoiLib> bio, I don't know how to use nano!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:29] <LeMoiLib> After editing do I just save!!!!
[11:29] <bioterror> yes
[11:29] <bioterror> ctrl+x
[11:29] <bioterror> press enter for the same file name and then y to confirm
[11:33] <LeMoiLib> ok! For my problem this search says: I'm behind a proxy as well. Have you editted the file /etc/apt/apt.conf, and add your proxy settings in there.I'm behind a proxy as well. Have you editted the file /etc/apt/apt.conf, and add your proxy settings in there.
[11:34] <LeMoiLib> but other says I'should rather edit the bash.bashrc
[11:35] <LeMoiLib> Which one should I put the proxy setting in in your opinion???
[12:01] <blackwood> Hi guys I need some help installing/using wine
[12:01] <blackwood> is anybody able to assist
[12:01] <blackwood> is there a dedicated channel for this type of enquiry
[12:15] <LeMoiLib> Blackwood: be careful with wine, I tried that and run to a crash in my netbook
[12:16] <LeMoiLib> but I installed it successfully on my desktop
[12:16] <LeMoiLib> It is easy through synaptic
[13:35] <shahan> want to create iso fiel from CD
[13:35] <shahan> *file
[13:49] <geirha> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/store/the.iso
[14:12] <LeMoiLib> Hi again, I'm trying to update my packages via update manager but I'm getting the following: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 95DD78A93064E19E
[14:12] <LeMoiLib> Can someone tell me what can I do?
[14:24] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: do gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 3064E19E &&gpg --export --armor 3064E19E | sudo apt-key add -
[14:24] <hobgoblin> see what you get then - as long as you actually trust the ppa that gives the error
[14:25] <LeMoiLib> Hi hobgoblin, Is it one line in the terminal
[14:25] <LeMoiLib> ?
[14:29] <LeMoiLib> Hobgolin I think it works fine! no error at the command promt! What was it????
[14:57] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: sorry I was afk there :) basically you added the key for the ppa to the apt system - I'm sure there is a complicated and technical description for it all - apt-key manages the keys used by apt
[14:58] <LeMoiLib> No worry,thanks. Did you get that from somewhere?
[14:59] <LeMoiLib> I'm installing "Ubuntu restricted extra" package but now it doesn't want to stop running how do I kill it?
[15:00] <pedro3005> press CTRL + C
[15:00] <pedro3005> if you're on the terminal
[15:01] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: check - I bet you have a java eaula to agree with
[15:01] <hobgoblin> and if you ctrl+c be ready to fix apt :)
[15:02] <LeMoiLib> I'm running it from synaptic
[15:02] <LeMoiLib> the connection to one site is failling
[15:02] <LeMoiLib> Want to stop it
[15:04] <LeMoiLib> Humm...hobgolin what that sign? My name just disappear on the terminal now the promt is: >
[15:06] <LeMoiLib> This what I have after Crt+C: This will abort the operation and may leave the system in a broken state. Are you sure you want to do that?
[15:06] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[15:07] <hobgoblin> then I'd be prepared to fix it if necessary - if it is just downloading it should be ok - but I have no idea what it is doing as I am here ;)
[15:07] <hobgoblin> hello :)
[15:07] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[15:08] <LeMoiLib> ok
[15:08] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: if you are installing from synaptic - what is going on in the terminal that needs ctrl+c
[15:08] <LeMoiLib> nothing
[15:09] <LeMoiLib> how will I fix the system after?
[15:09] <hobgoblin> it'll tell you :)
[15:10] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: if apt is just downloading and not actually installing then you'll be able to carry on from where you are
[15:10] <LeMoiLib> The crt+c is no going through
[15:10] <LeMoiLib> it keep running
[15:11] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: why do you keep on about ctrl+c?
[15:11] <LeMoiLib> trying to kill synaptic
[15:11] <LeMoiLib> running
[15:12] <hobgoblin> can you not just cancel in synaptic?
[15:12] <LeMoiLib> it's not working
[15:13] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: so have you actually looked for the java window anywhere - I know when I first did this years ago I got caught out by it
[15:14] <LeMoiLib> the java window??? I don't see anything like that open!
[15:19] <hobgoblin> check that there is not a box behind synaptic waiting for a response - to be brutally honest you say it is hung downloading something and then don't bother letting us knwo what is actually going on - I'm quite happy to help and can mind read my kids when they are too quiet - but I don't know you well enough to read yours :)
[15:21] <LeMoiLib> I told right at the beginning that I'm trying to install Ubuntu restricted extra
[15:21] <LeMoiLib> you must have miss it
[15:21] <LeMoiLib> sorry
[15:22] <hobgoblin> yep - and that is a LOT of packages - if it is stuck downloading one - which one ;) if it is one of the ms fonts that is failry common
[15:23] <LeMoiLib> trying to copy it for you
[15:23] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: hang on
[15:23] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: if you are in synaptic - you should be able to look at the details - looks a bit like a terminal - what is the LAST line in there
[15:24] <LeMoiLib> can't copy it; it a voxel.dl.sourceforge.net thing
[15:24] <LeMoiLib> connecting to voxell.dl.sourceforge.net......then timed out
[15:25] <LeMoiLib> and it has keep on doing that for an hour now
[15:25] <tomgra>  I have been trying to install ubuntu on a 1 tb drive and it will not install. I am able to set the way I want to partition the drive and then when it starts to partition it freezes. I have use gparted, checked the drive for errors, check the iso sha1 and it passes, checked the ubuntu cd for errors and everything checks out fine. Does anyone know why I cannot install on a Seagate 1tb drive?
[15:28] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: I am sure that is one of those fonts
[15:28] <hobgoblin> does not synaptic let youclose it?
[15:28] <LeMoiLib> No
[15:29] <hobgoblin> tomgra: have you tried setting up the partitions before you install?
[15:30] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: kill it from system monitor - processes
[15:30] <LeMoiLib> how to get there?
[15:31] <LeMoiLib> It has started all over again!!!!!!!:'(
[15:31] <tomgra> Yes, I have tried setting the partitions in gparted and it still freezes.
[15:34] <LeMoiLib> Ok I rebooting, what do you think! I'm afraid though; last time I tried to install wine, I reboot and my ubuntu crash. I had to reinstall all of it!
[15:35] <hobgoblin> LeMoiLib: is it still not closing?
[15:35] <LeMoiLib> no
[15:36] <hobgoblin> you killed it in the processes tab and it still runs?
[15:36] <LeMoiLib> Yes
[15:37] <hobgoblin> bizarre
[15:37] <LeMoiLib> Ho no,
[15:37] <LeMoiLib> misunderstanding
[15:37] <LeMoiLib> I asked you wehe is that
[15:37] <LeMoiLib> you didn't reply
[15:38] <hobgoblin> oh sorry - system monitor is in the sys admin menu - processes is one of the tabs in there
[15:40] <LeMoiLib> I found it, end process but it is still runnig!  Hope it works. Thanks both!
[16:40] <qmander> how do i set the default keyb layout in meerkat?
[16:41] <Cheri703> system > preferences > keyboard
[16:43] <Cheri703> did you find what you needed?
[16:45] <duanedesign_> qmander: hello
[16:45] <qmander> see, the problem is that the one at the bottom was the default
[16:46] <qmander> but now somehow it doesn't work either
[16:46] <qmander> and one more thing: i use a qwerty and a qwertz layout
[16:47] <qmander> and when i use the qwerty in the terminal i have to press ctrl+y instead of ctrl+z
[16:47] <Cheri703> if you have multiple keyboard layouts selected, you can choose one at login time (it's at the bottom of the screen before you login)
[16:48] <qmander> so i was wondering if there is some straightforward terminal method to set the default?
[16:48] <Cheri703> I just cleared out the others and had the one, then logged out and back in
[16:48]  * Cheri703 uses the alt-gr or dead keys or whatever
[16:55] <Karti> Hi all ...having trouble ftp'ing between two pcs. I am using command line and although firewall ports are open I am unable  to connect. I am only using two clients is that an issue?
[16:58] <Karti> cancel, I need server software
[16:58] <Karti> ta
[21:35] <pjcbaseball> wanting to add my ubuntu to my home network....how?
[21:36] <pjcbaseball> is there a tutorial out there?
[21:37] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: I don't understand what you're trying to say... as long as you have a standard router with DHCP, it should connect just fine
[21:37] <slooksterpsv> pjcbaseball: what do you mean by add it to your home network, like to connect to the internet?
[21:37] <pjcbaseball> I want to be able to see the other pcs at my home and add a printer
[21:37] <pjcbaseball> i connect to the web fine
[21:38] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Two things, first: Are you just on standard Ubuntu?
[21:38] <pjcbaseball> i want to be able to share files with the other pcs
[21:38] <pjcbaseball> yes
[21:38] <pjcbaseball> 1010
[21:38] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Open up Computer, select "network"
[21:38] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: If the other Windows machines are configured properly, they should show up in there
[21:39] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Alternately, you can press Ctrl+L in the file browser, then enter "smb://<IP_Address_of_computer>" and be able to connect
[21:40] <pjcbaseball> ok, did that and it says ...I see them now. Just didnt know where to look...thank you
[21:40] <pjcbaseball> what about adding a networked printer?
[21:40] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Depends on the brand of printer. What kind of printer is it?
[21:41] <pjcbaseball> do I need to add the drivers before I can see it?
[21:41] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: No.
[21:41] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Please answer the question.
[21:41] <pjcbaseball> its a brother
[21:41] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: What model
[21:41] <pjcbaseball> all in 1
[21:41] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: I need a model name.
[21:41] <pjcbaseball> MFC
[21:42] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: MFC what
[21:43] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Actually I have a better idea. What Windows version is the printer shared on?
[21:43] <pjcbaseball> MFC 465 CN
[21:43] <pjcbaseball> XP Home
[21:44] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: open up Terminal for me, then type "sudo apt-get install samba smbfs" and hit Enter (without the quotes)
[21:44] <pjcbaseball> so I'm new...terminal?
[21:44] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[21:45] <pjcbaseball> did it
[21:45] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: You ran that command?
[21:46] <pjcbaseball> so I should say "yes" and run it?
[21:46] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Yes, that's what I wanted you do fo
[21:46] <aveilleux> do*
[21:47] <pjcbaseball> running
[21:47] <pjcbaseball> looks like its done
[21:48] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Okay, now open up the Printers control panel (System > Administration > Printing) and select "New"
[21:48] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Then open up the pulldown (hit the little triangle) and select "Windows printer via SAMBA"
[21:49] <pjcbaseball> ok
[21:57] <pjcbaseball> ok, it says sending print job to printer, my printer receives data but wont print it
[21:59] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Is it in your printer's spool? I don't know if you can check that in your model.
[22:00] <pjcbaseball> idk
[22:00] <pjcbaseball> i am going to load my printers cd into it and load those drivers
[22:01] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: How? What kind of drivers?
[22:01] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: That's not how drivers work in Linux.
[22:01] <pjcbaseball> oh
[22:01] <pjcbaseball> well it doesnt have the exact driver for my printer
[22:02] <pjcbaseball> the brother cd
[22:02] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Open up the print properties on the host XP machine
[22:02] <pjcbaseball> my model wasnt in the list
[22:02] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Look in the Jobs tool
[22:02] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: See if the jobs you sent to the printer are just sitting there
[22:03] <pjcbaseball> my printer still says "receiving data"...
[22:04] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: How long has it been?
[22:04] <pjcbaseball> i have sent 6 test pages, none went thru
[22:04] <pjcbaseball> 5 minutes
[22:04] <pjcbaseball> i guess closer to 15 really
[22:05] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Six pages??? Geeez you're gonna back up your printer like crazy
[22:05] <pjcbaseball> yeah
[22:05] <pjcbaseball> well, i tried different drivers too
[22:05] <pjcbaseball> since it didnt have my specific one
[22:06] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: Cancel all of the jobs at the printer.
[22:07] <aveilleux> pjcbaseball: I have to go, hopefully someone can pick up where I left off
[22:07] <pjcbaseball> ok, thanks


[11:34] <ebel> I presume another large factor is that there's a shortage of software developers everywhere.
[11:35] <ebel> It's hard for large tech companies who offer lots of money to find developers. I can't imagine working in the public sector with teenagers :P
[11:35] <zmoylan> good developers are making money in high paying jobs (not teaching) and bad developers might make bad teachers?
[11:36] <ebel> Not to mention IT & tech is much more liberal. Large tech companies sponsor LGBT events. School organisations want to be able to fire teachers who are gay.
[11:37] <zmoylan> religious school organisations want to fire teachers who are gay.  national schools, not so much.
[11:37] <ebel> Microsoft wrote to the washington state legislation saying that the lack of marriage equality is harming their ability to hire people.
[11:37] <ebel> "Washington’s employers are at a disadvantage if we cannot offer a similar, equitable and inclusive environment to our talented employees"  http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2012/jan12/01-19CorpStatement.aspx
[11:38] <ebel> And here pregnant girls can be expelled from schools, gay teachers can be fired.
[11:38] <ebel> No wonder you cannot attrack good teachers who can code!
[11:38] <zmoylan> not a fan of ms but they were one of the first companies to give the same benefits to same sex partners.  good for them on that.

[11:41] <zmoylan> seems that the laws that allowed a pregnant single mother to be fired in the 80s were still being debated in late 90s.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eileen_Flynn
[11:42] <ebel> It's debatable what the law is now. There is cases where a Prodestant teacher's offer of employment was withdrawn, and they won in the equality tribunal/authority/whatever
[11:43] <ebel> (I mean the fact that schools are still doing a religious test for employees shows how far behind they are)
[11:43] <zmoylan> they can get away with a lot claiming it goes against the ethos of the school
[11:43] <ebel> so it's debatable how much power that gives them.
[11:43] <zmoylan> it being ireland it gives a lot of wiggle room
[11:44] <zmoylan> which favours the one with the best most expensive legal support
[11:44] <ebel> But if you're at all liberal and can code, why take the risk? Why not work in a high paid job where you *know* the employer isn;t going to be an arse?
[11:46] <zmoylan> and it's almost impossible i believe to hire male teachers as it only takes one false claim of abuse by a school kid to end their career.
[11:48] <ebel> I had male teachers. Your statement doesn't match reality
[11:50] <zmoylan> the number is dropping quite a bit since i went to school in 70s and 80s.  http://www.ippn.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=124:donec-sapien-metus&catid=36:education-news&Itemid=101
[11:52] <ebel> "Ms Hanafin said the starting salary for a primary school teacher with an honours degree, at " hahahahahahahahahahaha
[11:52] <zmoylan> well the low pay doesn't help either
[11:52] <ebel> *ahem* "Ms Hanafin said the starting salary for a primary school teacher with an honours degree, at almost €34,000, would rival the starting salaries of engineers," hhahaah
[11:52] <ebel> yeah, but you have to work with teenagers. :P
[11:52] <ebel> oh wait primary school
[11:53] <zmoylan> the starting salaries of engineers can be very low in some fields.  guessing she cherrypicked a field in case it was asked.
[11:53] <ebel> well, kids can be annoying but maybe less so
[11:53] <ebel> It's probably easier to go up to payscale for engineers
[11:53] <zmoylan> that is definitely true
[11:53] <ebel> that article has no reference to numbers going up or down
[11:53] <zmoylan> whereas in education you have to wait for predecessors to retire to die
[11:54] <ebel> or it's all based on the number of years in the job
[11:54] <zmoylan> in uk 25% of primary schools have no male teachers.  http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2009/mar/23/male-teachers-primary-schools
[11:54] <zmoylan> that's an astonishing number i think you'll agree.
[11:55] <zmoylan> i'm guessing it's for a lot of reasons instead of one single one but something is lost to the kids trying to learn.
[11:55] <ebel> I wonder has it gone up or down....
[11:56] <ebel> quotas a la boardroom quotas for women might help here.
[11:56] <zmoylan> in 70s i had all male teachers at primary and in secondary only one female teacher
[11:56] <ebel> In a boys school?
[11:56] <zmoylan> i can see the sense in quotas but am wary of them
[12:02]  * zmoylan is trying to remember if civil service rule on married women affected teachers in 70s.
[12:02] <ebel> don't think so
[12:05] <zmoylan> ah, primary teachers got a 'special' exemption.  http://www.irishtimes.com/indepth/sisters/changes-from-1970s.html :-/
[12:07] <zmoylan> mind you this is ireland and when we first had an equal rights officer appointed for the government they advertised different pay scales for male and female applicants. :-p
[12:10] <zmoylan> there are times i'm stunned we don't still drill holes in peoples heads to let out the evil spirits.
[12:19] <ebel> hahaha
[12:20] <ebel> got a source for the equality different pay thing?
[12:32] <zmoylan> i remember it first in a 80s comedy book of true stories 'heroic book of failures'  and have occasionly tried to track it down to a source since then but no luck so far.
[12:33] <zmoylan> might give it a shot tonight while insomnia strikes


[02:23] <skulltip> is unity 2d going away?
[03:33] <duflu> skulltip: I think you will find Unity2D will always be an installable package just as Gnome is. However starting in Ubuntu 12.10 it is not installed by default.
[03:34] <duflu> Also, Unity2D is not being enhanced any more. Only some bug fixes.
[03:34] <duflu> Oops, too late
[12:49] <timetopat> Hello all.  Yesterday I asked a question about ubuntu and nux.  I left abruptly due to class at my university.  I wanted to apologize to those who might have answered the question.  And if possible restate what was said.
[13:10] <mhr3> Trevinho, larsu, btw i was thinking that it might be good idea to break some parts of libunity api, particularly the launcher stuff, i'd really want to get rid of dbusmenu, thoughts?
[13:11] <larsu> mhr3, \o/
[13:12] <larsu> mhr3, really, the launcher stuff should be in GApplication (I think desrt has already ideas for that)
[13:12] <mhr3> was also thinking that some G* api would be better for it
[13:13] <mhr3> but i just want to get rid of DbusMenu for now :)
[13:13] <larsu> right
[13:13] <larsu> is there a reason why the right click menu on the launcher is separate from GtkApplication's appmenu?
[13:13] <larsu> (other than historical)
[13:14] <mhr3> none that i'm aware of
[13:14] <larsu> oh wait: it pulls its actions from the desktop file so that they're available when the app is not running
[13:15] <mhr3> still, perhaps they should be just appended
[13:16] <Trevinho> mhr3: agree
[13:16] <Trevinho> mhr3: I'm available for doing the launcher part, if you want
[13:17] <mhr3> Trevinho, cool, atm i'm mostly interested whether there's will to get rid of it
[13:17] <mhr3> and it seems there is
[13:17] <Trevinho> mhr3: yeah... of course... I'm always ok to move to more standard things, when thei're available
[13:18] <seb128> larsu, mhr3, Trevinho: yeah, don't forget about the .desktop action group stuff for the launcher lists
[13:18] <seb128> those menus are different from appmenus
[13:19] <larsu> seb128, right - the question is if you want to merge them when an app is running (by appending for example)
[13:19] <mhr3> yes, but unity does that directly
[13:19] <larsu> mhr3, how does it work now? Do the dynamic menus replace the actions from the desktop file?
[13:19] <seb128> they are both listed iirc
[13:19] <mhr3> larsu, i think they'd be just appended
[13:19] <mhr3> but is anyone using it even? :)
[13:20] <seb128> mhr3, using what?
[13:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, these are handled by libindicator...
[13:20] <mhr3> seb128, dynamic menus
[13:20] <larsu> I don't know, if not I'd be in favor of removing dynamic menus altogether
[13:20] <seb128> yes
[13:20] <larsu> that's what I did in messaging menu, much simpler that way!
[13:20] <seb128> update-manager has stuff like "update index" and "install upgrades" when running
[13:20] <larsu> and gets people to port to single-instance app (except for seb128 :P)
[13:20] <mhr3> not surprising that removing functionality makes stuff simpler :)
[13:21] <larsu> my point is that no functionality got removed
[13:21] <larsu> it's all expressable in desktop actions if you have a single instance application
[13:21] <seb128> larsu, no, nautilus has e.g bookmarks in there
[13:21] <mhr3> ah, ok
[13:21] <seb128> that's a dynamic list
[13:21] <larsu> seb128, right, those wouldn't work
[13:22] <seb128> they are useful though...
[13:22] <larsu> yes, I agree
[13:22] <larsu> it was just a thought :)
[13:22] <mhr3> X-Canonical-special-actions=bookmarks;
[13:22] <mhr3> :)
[13:22] <larsu> hehe
[15:52] <didrocks> hey mterry! around?
[16:13] <didrocks> hey mterry! around?
[16:23] <didrocks> (3rd time) hey mterry! around?
[17:18] <vpovirk> is it possible to create a menu that will apply to an entire app in Unity, rather than just one window in the app?
[17:18] <vpovirk> as an app developer


[21:03] <Myrtti> hm
[21:03] <Myrtti> I suppose I should learn how to do luks crypt with a key in external usb stick


[00:01] <EdwinGrubbs> rockstar: it looks like it is oopsing still. about 50% of the time.
[00:02] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, got it to OOPS, and I have nfi what's going on.  That's really odd.
[00:03] <rockstar> EdwinGrubbs, looks like a problem with the librarian.
[06:03] <kfogel> who wants to do an _absolutely trivial_ merge proposal review?
[06:03] <kfogel> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/cc-script-2010-01-28-updates/+merge/18183
[06:03] <kfogel> barry: ayt?
[06:04] <kfogel> thumper: (see above -- trivial review invite :-) )
[06:18] <cody-somerville> kfogel, I reviewed it for you. ;)
[06:21] <adiroiban> jtv: Hi. Looks like the branch from bug 359180 was release, even thou the tag was qa-bad
[06:21] <mup> Bug #359180: Missing keyboard shortcut for navigation <qa-bad> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/359180>
[06:21] <jtv> adiroiban: ah, I now realize I neglected to update you on this: it was too late to do anything about it in the original rollout, so we've arranged for the fix to go out with a re-roll.
[06:22] <adiroiban> jtv: np. I just wanted to make sure everything is ok
[06:23] <jtv> adiroiban: it's a shame we found out about the problems so late, but no disasters.  It does illustrate how far we've come in terms of quality—a few years back we'd have worse things than this all the time.
[06:26] <jtv> adiroiban: I think the main culprit in this case is the confusion at PQM close...  it was known well in advance that something needed fixing, but not that PQM would close in that state—after the bad branch landed but before the one that fixed it.
[06:26] <adiroiban> jtv: yes. there is no test for loading a +translate page for a language with no plural forms
[06:27] <jtv> Well, not for the single-message view—which is where the oopses happened.
[06:29]  * jtv looks for any pagetests for this case
[06:33] <jtv> adiroiban: looks like you dug up a hidden body there.  The _browser code_ is well-tested for this case, but we don't have the integration-testing we'd get from a story.
[06:35] <adiroiban> I have not looked for pagetests... but I assume since we had one it would fail as a simple HTTP get is enought to  triger the OOps
[06:39] <jtv> adiroiban: a valid assumption in theory, but the problem with improving practices all the time is you're always carrying around code from back when practices weren't as good.  I've filed bug 513625.
[06:39] <mup> Bug #513625: Pagetest for translations without plural-forms information <Launchpad Translations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/513625>
[06:41] <adiroiban> jtv: ok. I was planning to write this test togheter with the fix for bug 359180.
[06:41] <mup> Bug #359180: Missing keyboard shortcut for navigation <qa-bad> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Fix Released by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/359180>
[06:41] <jtv> adiroiban: <hug>
[06:41] <adiroiban> new bug assigned to me :)
[07:39] <noodles775> Morning
[07:46] <jtv> hi noodles775
[07:47] <jtv> wgrant: can you point me to the branch that implements SourcePackageRecipeBuild.build?
[07:47] <jtv> wgrant: it's not the one I looked at, out of the myriad you have lying around.  :)
[07:56] <noodles775> I obviously missed the start of this conversation, but SourcePackageRecipeBuild *is a* build (inheriting BuildBase), why would it have a build attribute?
[07:56] <noodles775> (hi jtv :) ).
[07:58] <jtv> noodles775: ah sorry, I copy-pasted.  I meant SourcePackageRecipeBuild itself, which would be referred to as something the lines of SourcePackageRecipeBuildJob.build.
[07:59] <noodles775> jtv: and it is? (looking at db-devel, SPRBJob.build exists?
[07:59] <jtv> noodles775: gah, I was grep'ing devel.  Silly me.  Thanks.
[07:59] <noodles775> np!
[08:04] <jtv> henninge: we got an assertion failure, as far as I can make out because someone tried to post translations while we were in read-only.
[08:05] <jtv> henninge: I'm filing a bug about it now, unless you already had.
[08:05] <henninge> jtv: hm, how could they have done it?
[08:05] <henninge> jtv: no, I have not
[08:05] <jtv> henninge: load the page before RO mode, submit after.
[08:05] <jtv> Actually I think that's probably a generic problem.
[08:05] <henninge> Ah, I see.
[08:05] <henninge> yes
[08:06] <jtv> Maybe LaunchpadFormView should check for that as part of standard validation.
[08:06] <jtv> goedemorgen jelmer!
[08:06] <jelmer> mogguh :-)
[08:07] <jtv> jelmer: I looked at the Tuesday LCA schedule the other day and found that _all_ the presentations I had really wanted to see in other rooms overlapped with mine!
[08:11] <jtv> stub, question about read-only mode: do we have any kind of generic check in form validations to deal with submissions during RO spells?
[08:13] <stub> any post generates a 'you can't do that at the moment' error page. Any page that tries to write to the db generates the same page. Any page requiring anything but read permission generates the same page.
[08:14] <stub> So you shouldn't be able to get to the form as it should be protected with Edit or similar permission, and if you do, you can't submit it since we use POST for our forms, and if you could, it couldn't make any database changes.
[08:15] <stub> As far as I can recall anyway :) Rules are in lib/canonical/launchpad/webapp/publisher.py I think.
[08:17] <adeuring> good morning
[08:26] <jtv> stub: thanks...  it does make this oops I'm looking at a bit of a mystery though  :)
[08:26] <jtv> hi adeuring
[08:27] <adeuring> hi jtv!
[08:30] <jtv> stub: oh, I see read-only state seems to be signaled outside of the db... in which case it may appear after validation and during processing of the request.
[08:31] <stub> Which raises an exception, that it rendered as a pretty Try Again Later error page.
[08:32] <jtv> Which is fine, except it shows up as an oops.
[08:38] <jtv> I think we shouldn't be failing this assertion just because we went into read-only mode.
[08:40] <jml> good morning launchpadders
[08:45] <jtv> good morning jml
[09:02] <jml> noodles775, I've just looked over the BuildBranchToArchiveUI page -- good stuff! when would you like to talk about it?
[09:03] <noodles775> jml: now?
[09:03] <noodles775> jml: or in 5mins?
[09:03] <jml> noodles775, 10 minutes :)
[09:03] <noodles775> great.
[09:04] <stub> Yay segfault trying to activate the Firebug console
[09:06] <mrevell> Hi
[09:15] <jml> mrevell, hello.
[09:15] <mrevell> Hi there jml
[09:16] <jml> noodles775, what's your skype id?
[09:32] <jml> noodles775, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/firefox-3.5/lucid/files
[09:32] <jml> noodles775, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/python-launchpadlib/lucid/files
[09:38] <jml> noodles775, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/364454/
[09:51] <noodles775> jml: https://edge.launchpad.net/~michael.nelson/+archive/pocketsphinx/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[10:03] <jml> mrevell, hi
[10:03] <mrevell> hey there jml, same number as yesterday?
[10:03] <jml> mrevell, yes please
[10:06] <jtv> wgrant: something I don't get about Build._handleStatus_OK: if any of that long, complex method fails, it never gets to buildqueue_record.builder.cleanSlave() or buildqueue_record.destroySelf().  Doesn't that leave garbage?
[10:08] <jtv> ...did we just get spammed?
[10:27] <gmb> jtv: Heh. That seems to be the case, yes.
[10:28] <jtv> I wonder if we have a way of getting it out of our IRC logs?
[10:33] <gmb> jtv: No idea. The logs live on canonical servers, though, so I guess IS would be able to help.
[10:35]  * jtv trundles in that general direction
[10:46] <jtv> elmo suggests: "consider making launchpad-dev +r or +R"... anyone who understands that as something else than a chmod option?
[10:47] <jml> yes
[10:47] <jml> but I need chanop to do anything about it
[10:48] <jml> oh look
[10:51] <jml> That might well have worked.
[10:55] <wgrant> jtv: If it fails, the status will not be set, so it will just be reprocessed.
[11:01] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:03] <jml> deryck, good morning.
[11:07] <adiroiban> danilos: Hi, can I continue with bug 340664 ? or you think we should wait to fix the +template timeouts ?
[11:19] <stub> So I'm generating reports from the zope logs for performance analysis. I'm now confused where things should live.
[11:20] <stub> Should the script live in scripts or utilities (I think scripts, but I've confused myself).
[11:20] <stub> And that script imports the bulk from a module in lib/lp/scripts/foo.py or lib/lp/scripts/???/foo.py or what?
[11:32] <jml> stub, I had thought that scripts was for actual scripts executed as part of Launchpad's normal operations
[11:32] <jml> stub, and that utilities is for stuff that developers & admins use.
[11:32] <jml> but, tbh, until someone writes an actual guide... meh.
[11:42] <stub> jml: I think I'm confused because I don't know if this is mainly adhoc or going to be automated ;)
[11:49] <jml> stub, ahh ok.
[11:49] <jml> stub, put it in utilities and move it when you automate it?
[11:50]  * stub shrugs. Its more admin related anyway so it can probably stay in utils
[11:56] <jml> sounds good to me.
[14:12] <kfogel> jml: want to do an utterly trivial code review?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/cc-script-2010-01-28-updates/+merge/18183
[14:13] <kfogel> intellectronica, beuno: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kfogel/launchpad/506018-patch-report/+merge/18181  when you have time (I'm not blocked on it landing).
[14:13] <beuno> kfogel, I have the tab open, I will get to it within the next few hours
[14:13] <kfogel> beuno: awesome, thanks
[14:17] <intellectronica> kfogel: cool. i'll review this latest after standup
[14:19] <kfogel> intellectronica: that'd be great, thank you.  Note it doesn't have your windmill tests yet, because I want to look at them / grok them / maybe extend them first.  So I'll include them in another branch.
[14:20] <kfogel> jml: please ignore above, cody somerville reviewed it
[14:21] <intellectronica> kfogel: sure. and 'my windmill tests' are nothing but a stub, as i left them on the last day of the sprint. they still need heaps of work
[14:21] <jml> kfogel, ok. I missed it anyway
[14:22] <kfogel> intellectronica: *nod*
[15:03] <intellectronica> anyone remembers the trick to make storm spit out the sql it's running?
[15:09] <intellectronica> ah, the answer is in https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging#Tracing SQL statements through STORM :)
[15:37] <intellectronica> and now i can't run lp. i get the following error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/364635/
[15:37] <intellectronica> any idea what's going on and how to fix>
[15:37] <intellectronica> barry: maybe you know? ^^^
[15:37]  * barry looks
[15:38] <barry> intellectronica: do a 'make clean' then 'make'
[15:38] <barry> intellectronica: it looks like your master-qrunner.pid file got corrupted perhaps
[15:42] <barry> intellectronica: do a 'make clean' then 'make'
[15:42] <intellectronica> barry: yes, you're right, the pid file is empty!
[15:42] <intellectronica> the gnomes ate my pid
[15:43] <barry> tasty!
[15:44] <sinzui> gary_poster: I can now speculate with some certainty why closing bugs while making a release passed on staging, but not in production
[15:44] <gary_poster> sinzui: really, I'm definitely curious
[15:45] <sinzui> gary_poster: I was able to use the feature to create releases for all the launchpad projects yesterday because some developers closed the bugs...reducing the number of bugs that needed updating...
[15:45] <sinzui> gary_poster: staging's data is more than two weeks old, so it has fewer bugs in the fix committed state.
[15:47] <gary_poster> sinzui: ah-ha.  So that's another data update issue to some degree, though it's also indication of the fact that QA at a given point in time is never entirely indicative of actual performance at another point in time
[15:47] <sinzui> agreed
[15:49] <intellectronica> barry: strangely, after running make clean and make i get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/364646/
[15:49] <intellectronica> what's supposed to start it?
[15:50] <barry> intellectronica: make run_all
[15:50] <barry> intellectronica: but that may be misleading output.  look higher up (might need SHHH= ) for some other error
[15:51] <intellectronica> it looks like it's unhappy about something called qrunner not running
[15:52] <barry> intellectronica: what it's really saying is that something else went wrong and when killservice tried to kill mailman, it wasn't started.  that is normal output in that case (i.e. trying to shutdown mailman when it hasn't been started)
[15:52] <intellectronica> oic
[15:57] <matsubara> Chex, rockstar bigjools danilo sinzui allenap: LP production meeting in 3 min @ #launchpad-meeting
[15:57] <al-maisan> matsubara: bigjools is sick
[15:58] <al-maisan> I'll stand in for him
[15:58] <matsubara> thanks al-maisan
[15:58] <al-maisan> you are welcome :)
[16:06] <barry> intellectronica: ping me by nick if you have more information.  i'm minimizing my irc window
[18:31] <jml> flacoste, hi
[19:20] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: ping
[19:22] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, hi
[19:24] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: nm, I think I answered my own question. I couldn't find individual images matching sprites, but that is probably just due to images being re-used for multiple css classes.
[19:24] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: Is there any existing template that generates the css, or do you just add them by hand based on the existing sprite file?
[19:26] <bac> barry: ping
[19:26] <kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/297239 maybe this can be solved?
[19:27] <kangarooo> ups sory- its now reported as done
[19:27] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, by hand, yes
[20:02] <beuno> anyone from the bugs team around?
[20:02] <beuno> gmb, intellectronica, allenap?
[20:02] <beuno> I have questions  :)
[20:19] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno: do you know anything about the bzr-favicon or person-tabs css classes. Those are the only two that don't have matching files, and they don't appear to be used anywhere.
[20:19] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, they sounds like left over cruft
[20:20] <EdwinGrubbs> I'll add them to the garage sale
[20:23] <beuno> no bug heat in sample data?
[20:51] <beuno> sinzui, I admire how well you handle the blueprints situation
[20:51] <beuno> laying out the plan like that is really helpful
[20:52] <beuno> shows the genuine willingness to help out
[20:53] <wgrant> I agree -- comments like that one are very useful and encouraging.
[20:55] <sinzui> beuno: I think I gave the same comment to statik
[20:55] <sinzui> The work is daunting
[20:55] <beuno> good to hear Canonical has so many great people  ;)
[20:56] <sinzui> beuno: Does the u1 web team need private blueprints?
[20:56] <sinzui> or public API?
[20:57] <beuno> sinzui, I can't say for sure, but the requests came from U1 hackers
[20:58] <sinzui> beuno: Those two issues (and structural subscriptions) do not have a lot of bug heat, but thoses are the 3 most requested blueprint features. Users ask me on sprints, irc, and private email for them
[20:59] <beuno> sinzui, get them to me-too them!
[20:59] <beuno> soon, it will be up there with wikis
[21:00] <sinzui> No it wont. We need to invent something sexier than wikis. We seem to have missed the google wave
[21:01] <beuno> wiki wave?
[21:02] <sinzui> hmm
[21:03] <jml> blueprints situation?
[21:03]  * jml is interested
[21:05] <sinzui> beuno: Whether you are editing in some annoying markup syntax or a gui, wikis are just bug chunks of pages in a tree. I do not like them because they take a lot of maintenance. I have pondered if these pages would be more useful if they were composed of smaller piese that could be reused (edit it section, not this page) and I could tag them to build alternate views hierarchies. Or even construct a page from a section with
[21:05] <beuno> sinzui, yes, I've heard your theory around chunks of data, and I think it has a lot of potential
[21:05]  * ajmitch sees the word blueprints & hides
[21:06] <beuno> smart man, ajmitch
[21:07] <ajmitch> well I saw him mention API stuff & blueprints in the same sentence & am interested to know what people really want there
[21:07] <sinzui> jml: we were discussing blueprint bug 208539. This lead to other pondering
[21:08] <sinzui> ajmitch: Launchpad's reporting and search of blueprints is very poor, and the notifications are very poor too. Users want API access to build better reports and notifications
[21:09] <ajmitch> ok, since I have a branch for bug 146389 which is pretty basic & I promised jml that I'd submit it
[21:10] <jml> \o/
[21:10] <sinzui> ajmitch: tags would help search, but reports are more complex. Many users want to see the bugs and the branch work in the same report
[21:10] <jml> sinzui, I'm thinking of proposing something to get us using blueprints more.
[21:10] <ajmitch> I looked at tags the other day & was worried at how tied to bugs they are
[21:10] <wgrant> I still do not see a compelling reason for Bugs and Blueprint to be separate.
[21:10] <ajmitch> making tags available across launchpad will be a little more work, I think
[21:11] <sinzui> ajmitch: right, I would make bugtags generic first, instead of copying the implementation
[21:12] <sinzui> wgrant: I still agree with you. I think a single good implementation would provide 90% of what bug or blueprints needs. Their differentiation is small I think.
[21:13] <ajmitch> the few unique things about blueprints are to do with sprints at the moment
[21:13] <wgrant> And the reviewer vs drafter vs assignee, and dependencies.
[21:14] <ajmitch> dependencies are something I'd love to have in bugs
[21:14] <wgrant> Particularly the latter is needed on bugs as well.
[21:14] <thumper> bug dependancies would be good
[21:14] <wgrant> They were promised at UDS Jaunty...
[21:14] <thumper> haha
[21:14] <sinzui> ajmitch: yes. Very few sprints are held to work on bugs, but sprints/meetings/conferences are certainly used by teams for other purposes that working on blueprints
[21:14] <jml> wgrant: by whom?!
[21:15] <sinzui> blueprints roles and statues are too complex. They prevent them from being widely adopted.
[21:15] <wgrant> jml: I don't remember. But it was presented as being one of the big things that would most probably be coming in 3.0.
[21:16] <sinzui> wgrant: that is an extraordinary promise given that blueprints has not had dedicated developers since 2007
[21:17] <wgrant> sinzui: Bug dependencies -- little to do with Blueprints.
[21:17] <jml> wgrant: it's always been a controversial feature, I have never heard anyone even close to promising it being delivered.
[21:17] <sinzui> wgrant: sorry, lost my concentration
[21:19] <ajmitch> jml: almost as controversial as having version information for bugs on packages as metadata, rather than text?
[21:19] <sinzui> yet we hack dependencies every 6 months using the tags, blueprint-to-bug-links, and BjornT_'s progress grid
[21:19] <jml> ajmitch, I've never heard of that one.
[21:19] <jml> ajmitch, wgrant: there's a bug in malone about dependencies
[21:20] <intellectronica> beuno: still have a question?
[21:20] <ajmitch> jml: that's surprising, the bug version information is something that debian has
[21:20] <wgrant> version information is very useful.
[21:20] <ajmitch> I'll look up a bug # for it, I'm sure it's in there :)
[21:20] <wgrant> It's one thing that debbugs has over Launchpad that makes Launchpad look pretty pathetic.
[21:21] <jml> ajmitch, it's surprising I haven't already heard of every single major feature request for Launchpad :)
[21:21] <ajmitch> jml: given that complaints that roll in, sure ;)
[21:21] <ajmitch> bug 424
[21:22] <ajmitch> so really early :)
[21:22] <beuno> intellectronica, hey!  yes, how do I see bug heat on launchpad.dev?
[21:23] <beuno> I bring up trunk and get no flames!
[21:23] <wgrant> db-devel
[21:23] <beuno> I wanted to take a crack at making a lighter icon and such
[21:23] <intellectronica> beuno: you wait until db-devel gets merged back in?
[21:23] <beuno> aha
[21:23] <intellectronica> (or branch from db-devel)
[21:24] <intellectronica> beuno: let me guess, you're creating better icons for us? :)
[21:24] <beuno> intellectronica, that was my intention, lets see how much past that it goes
[21:24] <beuno> I also sent an email about the feature as a whole
[21:25] <intellectronica> beuno: fountains of beer await you
[21:25]  * beuno stores away his drivers license, won't use it for sure this trip
[22:13] <wgrant> What happened to the post-3.0 notifications focus?
[22:14] <wgrant> Is that still happening at some point, but just pushed back by the upstream linkage work?


[14:20] <thegladiator> My lubuntu wallpaper is not taking anymore
[14:22] <vn151502510> thegladiator: more details?
[14:22] <thegladiator> I am trying to change , but its all the time black
[14:23] <thegladiator> its just taking the bg color and not the picture
[14:23] <vn151502510> how did u try
[14:24] <thegladiator> right click , Desktop Preference
[14:24] <thegladiator> I mean it was  working fine
[14:24] <vn151502510> uhm, but can u change bgcolor?
[14:24] <thegladiator> yeah
[14:26] <vn151502510> u can get config file of pcmanfm
[14:26] <thegladiator> I reooted
[14:26] <thegladiator> how ?
[14:26] <vn151502510> in folder /home/vn151502510/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu
[14:27] <vn151502510> sorry, its my folder
[14:27] <vn151502510> ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu
[14:27] <thegladiator> should I paste it ?
[14:28] <thegladiator> what do I do with that file
[14:28] <vn151502510> past.ubuntu file pcmanfm.conf, ok?
[14:28] <thegladiator> ok
[14:29] <thegladiator> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703690/
[14:29] <thegladiator> maybe remove that .swp ?
[14:30] <vn151502510> cat ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[14:31] <thegladiator> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5703697/
[14:32] <vn151502510> your config shows you dont use wallpaper
[14:32] <thegladiator> I am trying to change
[14:32] <thegladiator> but its not taking
[14:33] <vn151502510> in wallpaper mode of desktop preferences, what is it?
[14:33] <thegladiator> None
[14:33] <thegladiator> But I change it to a file , I dont see any apply button , nor any dynamic changes
[14:34] <vn151502510> no, wallpaper mode, not wallpaper
[14:34] <thegladiator> Aah
[14:35] <thegladiator> u r a genisu
[14:35] <thegladiator> ty
[14:35] <thegladiator> :)
[14:35] <vn151502510> my glad
[14:35] <thegladiator> cool
[14:36] <thegladiator> wonder how it got changed any way np
[14:36] <thegladiator> I like lub , its very clean and awesome
[14:36] <thegladiator> also my old computer works very fast , even installed a windows vm using VirtualBox
[16:52] <cyclist_2> How to allow remote connections from another PC via Vinagre? I know how is done on Ubuntu but on Lubuntu the options are somewhat different
[17:36] <Unit193> !vnc | Just use x11vnc
[17:38] <cyclist_2> Unit193, ubottu: Thank you
[17:38] <Unit193> Sure, you can also have an upstart job to work with lightdm too.
[19:19] <thor1> Will qlubuntu use ubuntu qlm widget, if so that we dont have make them self
[23:14] <gameman098> hi
[23:15] <gameman098> im running windows xp wanting to move to a anything ubuntu system
[23:15] <gameman098> my specs are 3.2GHz and 448 RAM
[23:15] <gameman098> what should i Install
[23:16] <gameman098> hello
[23:16] <gameman098> ?
[23:16] <Unit193> It's all up to you of course, but that's sure not a lot of ram.
[23:16] <gameman098> Yeah i know
[23:17] <gameman098> What about anything Ubuntu. Xubuntu or anything *ubuntu
[23:18] <Unit193> Lubuntu is going to be the least resource hungry of the Ubuntu flavors, otherwise you can try out something like mini.iso and fluxbox.
[23:19] <gameman098> alrighty then, thank you
[23:19] <Unit193> Sure.