[04:33] <QMario> I even edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:33] <liable> 	Option          "EmulateWheelButton"    "2"
[04:33] <liable> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[04:33] <scythe> would /dev/hdc { (line break) dma = on (line break)} work?
[04:33] <Jemt> QMario : Have you tried 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ? The tool will guide you through the setup process
[04:34] <QMario> Not yet.
[04:34] <Amaranth> Jemt: no, he is installing a custom driver
[04:34] <Amaranth> QMario: "Doesn't load" doesn't tell me much.
[04:35] <QMario> X Windows doesn't display a graphical user interface. The monitor is blank and black. The keyboard turns off.
[04:35] <QMario> Although the computer is still on.
[04:35] <Amaranth> err
[04:35] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[04:35] <Jemt> Amaranth: Oh, ok. Sorry :)
[04:35] <Amaranth> sorry
[04:37] <QMario> What distribution of Linux will work with this video card?
[04:38] <_Icebreaker_> how can i use 2monitors on ubuntu?
[04:38] <QMario> Do you have two video cards?
[04:39] <_Icebreaker_> onevideo card that ist dual headed
[04:39] <dougsk> QMario, you might try Jemt's suggestion and use the 'vesa' driver to get going. As best as I can quickly tell (http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/manindex4.html) x doesn't support that particular card.
[04:40] <QMario> Sorry, I don't know.
[04:40] <QMario> :(
[04:40] <Jemt> QMario: What kind of Video Card are you installing ?
[04:40] <Jemt> Or trying to install
[04:40] <dougsk> QMario, that's not a final answer though, there might be support for it and you may get going, I'm certainly not an authority
[04:41] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to turn off a wireless network card? It consumes power and i'm running on batteries :)
[04:42] <scythe> can you turn one off, or just unload the module?
[04:42] <_Icebreaker_> is the base install of ubuntu able to mount ntfs part readonly?
[04:42] <QMario> Jemt, 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card'.
[04:42] <dougsk> Jemt, most laptops have a physical switch near the touchpad to turn them off.  Some have bios options or magic key combos
[04:43] <Jemt> dougsk: Heh, yeah - thanks. Normally I can use fn+F5 - but it only works in WinSux :)
[04:43] <QMario> Dougsk, thank you. Unfortunately, I am already using vesa. Yuck! Hey, but I am grateful that it works. :)
[04:43] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; yes.
[04:43] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: can you just descripe how to do that?
[04:44] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; do you know what device the partition is on?
[04:44] <desrt> like /dev/hda1 or whatever?
[04:44] <dougsk> QMario, ah vesa isn't to bad with some cards.
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> must be hda1 and hda2
[04:44] <desrt> two ntfs partitions?
[04:44] <_Icebreaker_> there are mor but one example should be enough
[04:44] <dougsk> Jemt, hmm some laptops thinkpad's in particular have additional programs that can be installed to offer additional support
[04:45] <desrt> ok.  what do you want to call it... like "nt" or "windows" or "c"?
[04:45] <Jemt> QMario: Oh, ok. Don't know that card - sorry. But most cards work with the Vesa driver
[04:45] <desrt> and do you want to mount it just this once or always on bootup?
[04:45] <Jemt> dougsk: Really? Sounds great. I'll check apt-get
[04:45] <_Icebreaker_> should be mounted every time
[04:45] <_Icebreaker_> when i boot up
[04:45] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; k.  pick a name
[04:46] <_Icebreaker_> windows :P
[04:46] <desrt> ok.  sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[04:46] <desrt> then sudo vi /etc/fstab
[04:46] <desrt> at the bottom, add a line like this:
[04:46] <desrt> /dev/hda1      /mnt/windows     ntfs     ro,uid=yourusername    0 0
[04:46] <mrt> Can anybody log on ICQ with gaim ?
[04:47] <_Icebreaker_> im using nano. its familar to me
[04:47] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; that's cool :)
[04:47] <desrt> done?
[04:48] <_Icebreaker_> yes i gues i have to edit uid=
[04:48] <desrt> yes.  put your username there :)
[04:48] <desrt> by default only one user can access the files on ntfs
[04:48] <knowledge_> Anyone?
[04:48] <_Icebreaker_> would that work with gid too?
[04:48] <desrt> no
[04:48] <desrt> it's accessible only to the user
[04:49] <desrt> if you want, you can use "umask" to open up the permissions some
[04:49] <desrt> like  umask=222 to make it readable to everyone
[04:49] <desrt> (instead of uid=)
[04:49] <desrt> but then anyone can read any file on the entire filesystem
[04:49] <desrt> even if it's protected under windows
[04:50] <_Icebreaker_> oh. thanks vor your help
[04:50] <desrt> now you should be able to type: sudo mount /mnt/windows
[04:50] <desrt> to check if it worked
[04:51] <_Icebreaker_> ok it works thank you
[04:51] <desrt> np.  cheers.
[04:51] <QMario> Do any of you guys know if the 'CHAINTECH SLV3-128 Volari V3 128MB DDR  AGP 4X/8X Video Card' will work with any Linux distributions?
[04:52] <bob2> the chipset is more important to know than whateve rcompany stuck their name on it
[04:52] <Amaranth> Volari V3
[04:52] <Amaranth> it's an XGI thing
[04:52] <bob2> XGI?
[04:52] <Amaranth> that's a company...
[04:53] <xkuseme> can anyone tell me how to install windows after i already have ubuntu?
[04:53] <Nameeater> is it possible to switch user like in win xp where it keeps the other users apps etc going?
[04:53] <Amaranth> it looks like a kickass card, honestly
[04:53] <Amaranth> cheap, fast, and full-featured
[04:53] <bob2> Nameeater: of course
[04:53] <DonL> Amaranth, have you bought it yet?
[04:53] <bob2> Amaranth: and with no useful drivers
[04:54] <bob2> Nameeater: applications -> system -> new login
[04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: suse and rhel :(
[04:54] <desrt> QMario; i'd have to guess no.
[04:54] <Amaranth> bob2: probably built for one specific kernel version
[04:54] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager?
[04:54] <desrt> QMario; unless it has either an nvidia, ati or matrox chipset on it
[04:54] <Nameeater> awsome!! thanks bob2 :)
[04:54] <desrt> ryan_; wget :)
[04:55] <toad3030> what is the gears command?
[04:55] <desrt> or if you need advanced management capabilities, wget + screen
[04:55] <desrt> toad3030; glxgears
[04:55] <bob2> toad3030: glxgears?
[04:55] <xkuseme> bob2: canyou help me too
[04:55] <toad3030> ty
[04:55] <_Icebreaker_> desrt: how can i look for the exact device names of my partitions? fdisk /dev/hdb????
[04:55] <ryan_> desrt, does it have a gui?
[04:55] <bob2> bear in mind it is not a useful benchmark, though
[04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; fdisk -l
[04:55] <bob2> xkuseme: google
[04:55] <desrt> _Icebreaker_; sudo fdisk -l, even
[04:56] <DonL> Amaranth, I've learned to research hardware so I buy what works with my system
[04:56] <Jemt> Hm, why is it that difficult to turn off a wireless network card. That's quite irritating
[04:56] <ryan_> anyone know of a good download manager _WITH A GUI_
[04:56] <ryan_> :)
[04:56] <toad3030> is there anybody that can help me w/ installing cedega?
[04:56] <bob2> ryan_: apt-cache search download manager
[04:56] <dougsk> ryan_, d4x is used by some
[04:56] <Jemt> ryan_: Havn't tried it yet - but maby gdm
[04:57] <bob2> Jemt: it's not, but it is hardware specific
[04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Wait a sec
[04:57] <bob2> toad3030: #cedega
[04:57] <toad3030> ok thx
[04:57] <Jemt> ryan_, Think I gave you the name of a display manager :)
[04:57] <jasmuz> toad3030: what is your issue?
[04:57] <ryan_> Jemt, you got it handy/
[04:57] <ryan_> ?**
[04:57] <bob2> xkuseme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?highlight=%28windows%29
[04:58] <toad3030> i'm following the instruction on how to install, but nothing is working
[04:58] <xkuseme> bob2: thanks
[04:58] <bob2> toad3030: you paid transgaming money, presumably they give you support?
[04:59] <Jemt> ryan_, d4x perhaps :)
[05:00] <ryan_> ok thanks
[05:00] <adwait> hey ppl....not exactly an ubuntu question, but do you have any idea if I can connect my laptop AND my computer to a DLink DSL-502T?
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_,
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: 'apt-get install d4x'
[05:00] <bob2> adwait: er, surely your manual answers that?
[05:00] <adwait> bob2: cant find the manual :p
[05:00] <ryan_> got it jemt thanks mate ;)
[05:00] <xkuseme> bob2: can i just unplug my ubuntu hd, make the other hd master, install windows and then switch it back to slave and boot into ubuntu and add the new hd to grub? will that work?
[05:00] <Jemt> ryan_: np :)
[05:00] <bob2> will windows boot from a slave drive at all?
[05:01] <adwait> bob2: it has an ethernet port and a usb port,........so i was thinking, if i connect one to computer and the other to the laptop...it shoudld work right?
[05:01] <knowledge_> guys...what can be done about "qmake not found in current PATH. Maybe QT development environment isn't available (qt3-devel)."??
[05:01] <bob2> I haven't really used windows since win98
[05:01] <toad3030> bob2: btw nobody in that channel is helping either, that is why i came here
[05:01] <bob2> adwait: why don't you just try it?
[05:01] <xkuseme> bob2: i don't know
[05:01] <dougsk> adwait, most modem/routers won't work if both usb and ethernet is in use (usb turns ethernet off)
[05:01] <bob2> knowledge_: a) google, b) install libqt3-mt-dev, c) /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> adwait, er, I don't think it will
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> you need to get a hub
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> or switch
[05:02] <xkuseme> bob2: i could even leave the windows hd as second master
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> at least here in the states, they can be had for sub $20
[05:02] <QMario> Is either Redhat or SUSE free?
[05:02] <bob2> ok, but I have no idea if windows has had that bug fixed or not
[05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, Fedora Core is
[05:02] <knowledge_> bob2, Thanks
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> QMario, not like Ubuntu though
[05:02] <digitalfox> QMario, which is based on RedHat
[05:02] <bob2> QMario: their beta versions are
[05:03] <QMario> Sorry guys. I desperately want to use Linux with this video card.
[05:03] <Jemt> Does anyone know how to disable a wireless network card on a IBM Thinkpad ?
[05:03] <flask-> hi, I went and added the backports repository line to my sources.list and ran an update, and now certain packages aren't found anywhere in my available list, specifically there are no packages for Adobe Acrobat
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> QMario, what card?
[05:03] <QMario> I don't want to go back to Windows. :(
[05:03] <bob2> you can't return it for a better supported card?
[05:03] <DonL> Just tonight I put Kubuntu into my Ubuntu box. That's the extent I'll go to dual booting. I used to dual boot.   That is hardware dependent.  if you do move drives around ubuntu will at least nead fstab changed indicating the new partition locations
[05:03] <bob2> flask-: acrobat probably isn't legally redistributable by anyone
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> Jemt, sure there should be button combo with Fn lock key
[05:03] <flask-> bob2: ok
[05:03] <QMario> Nomasteryoda, Chaintec Volari V3
[05:04] <Jemt> nomasteryoda: Dosn't work in Linux
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> so that has nvidia chip?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> awe
[05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: XGI Volari V3
[05:04] <QMario> Will my video card work with Fedora Core?
[05:04] <Amaranth> QMario: chaintech is just the person who puts the parts on the board and ships it
[05:04] <dougsk> QMario, no I don't think so, other than with vesa
[05:04] <QMario> Amaranth, true.
[05:04] <puff> evening.
[05:04] <bob2> QMario: #fedora
[05:04] <xkuseme> dougsk: i mean i am gonna trick the windows, just for the installation i'll make it master ubuntu won't even notice, coz the next time i boot into it it will be switched back to slave
[05:04] <QMario> Okay, hold on.
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> QMario, also on #suse
[05:05] <dougsk> xkuseme, that is doable supposing the motherboard/bios supports booting to another drive besides the first primary
[05:05] <puff> I tried to use synaptic to install something, it asked for the ubuntu install disk.
[05:05] <bob2> puff: so put it in, or configure synaptic to only use the internet
[05:05] <QMario> Thank you guys. :) I will ask the people at those channels.
[05:05] <xkuseme> dougsk: that is what i am wondering about
[05:06] <puff> bob2:  Yeah, I put the Cd in, I'm wondering what files I need to copy from the CD, and where I need to put them, to avoid needing it in the future.
[05:06] <Jemt> dougsk: If you are trying to recover your boot loader, it should be quite easy. Chroot into your Linux installation, run 'grub' and install it in the MBR that way
[05:06] <bob2> puff: you'd need to copy the whole cd somewhere
[05:06] <scythe> hello, im back
[05:07] <DonL> puff, make sure the cd is in, and repeat the same request
[05:07] <_Icebreaker_> i want to play mp3 but i cant find the package gstreamer8.0-mad
[05:07] <Jemt> dougsk: If you want to know more about chrooting you could read the chapter about this subject in the Gentoo Handbook at gentoo.org
[05:07] <bob2> because it's not called that
[05:07] <bob2> it's gstreamer0.8-made
[05:07] <bob2> er, mad
[05:08] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and linked from the FAQ
[05:08] <puff> Hm, i installed mplayer (via apt-get) but it says it has no plugin to handle mp3s.
[05:08] <ryan_> How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?
[05:08] <dougsk> Jemt, ah yeah, grub-install I think, but that still doesn't work without changing fstab entries to reflect the new partition locations (s|h)d{a,b,c...)
[05:09] <dougsk> Jemt, but it's not really relevent to me at this point, I'm not swapping drives about
[05:09] <Jemt> dougsk, Okay
[05:10] <puff> odd question, why does the ubuntu site always redirect to ssl?
[05:10] <ryan_> bob2, How come with the default theme, and with most others, text on websites is often the same as the forgrund colour? is ther ea way to fix this?
[05:10] <bob2> you need to be way more specific
[05:11] <bob2> ie which browser? which website?
[05:11] <dougsk> puff, they like our protecting our privacy more than we do?  no teasing, I dunno thawte was pretty big into crypto at one time or another
[05:11] <ryan_> bob2, its in firefox, and it actually occurs on apps as well
[05:11] <Jemt> Hm, just found out that I got no sound in any of my games. Could someone help me debug my system =
[05:11] <puff> Thawte is behind ubuntu?
[05:11] <Jemt> ?
[05:11] <bob2> "apps"?
[05:11] <bob2> puff: no
[05:11] <puff> bob2: the url you just pasted, in firefox.
[05:11] <bob2> puff: except in the sense that the founder of Canonical got rich by starting thawte...
[05:11] <puff> ah-ha.
[05:11] <Amaranth> Super rich.
[05:11] <bob2> Jemt: pkill esd
[05:12] <bob2> ryan_: doesn't oocur here
[05:12] <Amaranth> Like $20,000,000 to go into space doesn't put a dent in his funds rich. ;)
[05:12] <ryan_> bob2 it was like that when i first booted
[05:12] <Jemt> bob2, roger
[05:12] <Amaranth> Like makes more money from investments than the entire Linux service industry rich. (debconf joke)
[05:12] <DonL> Amaranth, I didn't know that, but it's good he's putting it back
[05:12] <Amaranth> aye
[05:12] <Jemt> bob2: done. started esd again. Got sounds from Gnome but not from my games
[05:13] <dougsk> Amaranth, just watched that today, even!  laughed pretty good
[05:13] <bob2> Jemt: er, no, don't restart it
[05:13] <Jemt> Oh , ok
[05:13] <dougsk> I haven't watched the rcs speech yet, but it's on the todo
[05:13] <Jemt> bob2: Great, worked
[05:14] <Jemt> bob2: So I haft to kill 'esd' every time I reboot =
[05:14] <Jemt> ?
[05:14] <bob2> no
[05:14] <Jemt> Oh, great !
[05:14] <bob2> you have to decide what you want to do
[05:14] <bob2> simplest is to kill it before running legacy apps like games
[05:14] <Jemt> bob2: What choices do I have ?
[05:14] <bob2> hardest is to get everything to use alsa and dmix
[05:15] <Jemt> Oh
[05:15] <Jemt> Used alsa back in Mandrake and Gentoo
[05:15] <Jemt> Oh well. I can live with killing it once in a while :)
[05:15] <bob2> and you're using alsa on ubuntu, too, of course
[05:15] <Jemt> Ok. Could be using OSS (i think it's the name of the new sound server)
[05:16] <bob2> no
[05:16] <Jemt> Oh
[05:16] <bob2> OSS is the name of the old set of sound drivers
[05:16] <dougsk> so what does the magic eight-ball say for unified sound system (gstreamer?) anyways?
[05:16] <bob2> ALSA has replace it almost entirely
[05:16] <Jemt> Oh, IC. Thanks - good to know :)
[05:17] <bob2> everything in gnome seems to be moving towards gstreamer
[05:17] <bob2> I predict someone creating an entirely incompatible "kstreamer" soon
[05:17] <Jemt> Hehe :)
[05:17] <Jemt> esd - what is that exactly ?
[05:17] <dougsk> bob2, so where does that leave threaded sounds and esd?
[05:17] <bob2> it's a "sound daemon"
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: KDE is allegedly supporting gstreamer
[05:17] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: it's the bane of our existance
[05:17] <bob2> instead of apps talking to the sound card, esd owns it, and apps talk to it
[05:18] <dougsk> does gstreamer handle gaim and evolution going beep at the same time
[05:18] <bob2> dougsk: hopefully going away
[05:18] <dougsk> bob2, ah cool
[05:18] <knowledge_> libqt3-mt-dev: Depends: libqt3c102-mt (=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3) but 3:3.3.4-3 is to be installed
[05:18] <Jemt> bob2, Oh, what I would refer to as an interface - i guess :)
[05:18] <bob2> dougsk: it would, since you'd configure gstreamer to use alsa and dmix
[05:18] <knowledge_> Depends: libxft-dev but it is not going to be installed
[05:18] <knowledge_> I can't figure this out
[05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: your sources.list is broken
[05:18] <bob2> knowledge_: paste it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:18] <knowledge_> bob2, Paste what?
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: technically gstreamer is a 'glue'
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: it doesn't do anything per se
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> it just facilitates communication between components
[05:19] <bob2> knowledge_: er, your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[05:19] <Jemt> bob2: Still can't figure out how killing 'esd' solved my problem. Does the games communicate directly with the sound card ?
[05:19] <DonL> Wow. That's interesting. I didn't know how that worked
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: yes
[05:19] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, ah well I thought er maybe not, I was assuming it well hmm, I think I need to read
[05:19] <bob2> Jemt: yes
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: esd had exclusive use of your soundcard
[05:19] <bob2> Jemt: and most cards don't let two programs do that, so if esd had it first...
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: think of gstreamer like the codec infrastructure in windows
[05:20] <Jemt> Ah, okay. Makes perfect sense. Thanks alot, guys :)
[05:20] <bob2> emu10k1-based cards are the only ones that don't do that under linux, afaik
[05:20] <dougsk> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[05:20] <JayParadise> is there anything wrong with having a short lease time like 10 minutes
[05:20] <bob2> I gather windows has some sort of mixer in the kernel?
[05:20] <knowledge_> pasted
[05:20] <knowledge_> bob2,
[05:20] <bob2> knowledge_: er
[05:21] <DonL> bob2, I put in a SB live card when I was having problems, and everything was fixed
[05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: that seems kinda obvious
[05:21] <jasmuz> guys im having problems making my pgp keys, i get an eof..gpg: no writable public keyring found: eof
[05:21] <jasmuz> Key generation failed: eof
[05:21] <bob2> knowledge_: now paste "apt-cache policy libqt3-mt-dev" to #flood
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: that's because the SB live driver you can have multiple connections to
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> dougsk: which is why it's the best for use in linux
[05:21] <HrdwrBoB> JayParadise: why?
[05:22] <Jemt> bob2: Should I start 'esd' again if I want sound in Gnome again? I must have messed things up. I got no sound in Gnome now. A reboot might fix it though
[05:22] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> Jemt: that's right
[05:22] <DonL> I haven't thought about it for a long time because it's never given me grief
[05:22] <bob2> Jemt: yes
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> start esd again you get sound
[05:22] <bob2> Jemt: no, no need to reboot
[05:22] <Jemt> k, thanks
[05:22] <Jemt> Oh ?
[05:23] <bob2> knowledge_: and what else used to be in your sources.list?
[05:23] <we> hey guys i need help untaring a file
[05:23] <hybrid_goth> hey bob2
[05:23] <we> tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options
[05:23] <we> that my output
[05:23] <Jemt> BRB
[05:23] <bob2> we: you ran tar incorrectly
[05:23] <PrimoTurbo> Hey guys I have a problem, can someone please help me out?
[05:23] <bob2> we: tar -xf foo.tar
[05:24] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: you haven't asked a question yet...
[05:24] <bob2> hybrid_goth: hi
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I installed gperfection2 icon theme
[05:24] <bob2> knowledge_: you've screwd up apt by pointing it at incompatible apt sources
[05:24] <we> whats the diff between -xf and -xvf
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> but there is an icon that didn't work for some reason, I know it is supposed to
[05:24] <knowledge_> hmmmm
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/2647/screenshot3ex.jpg
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> take a look
[05:24] <PrimoTurbo> I circled the icon that's not working
[05:24] <bob2> we: man tar, verbosity
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=22989&file1=22989-1.png&file2=22989-2.png&file3=&name=gperfection2+Icon+Theme
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> that's the icon theme
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> how can I fix that?
[05:25] <bob2> PrimoTurbo: try asking on the mailing list if no one here knows
[05:25] <PrimoTurbo> which mailing list?
[05:26] <bob2> http://lists.ubuntu.com/, ubuntu-users
[05:26] <ilba7r> on booting my pc it enables both eth0 and wlan0 which freezes my network connection. how can i only change it to only load wlan0 on booting the pc
[05:27] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, I looked at the pic, it seems to do the same here for me.  what's broken?
[05:27] <bob2> ilba7r: edit /etc/network/interfaces, remove the "auto eth0" line
[05:27] <tha_gamemaster> i'm gettin libgcc1 error when trying to install transcode...
[05:27] <ilba7r> thanx bob2
[05:27] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken
[05:27] <PrimoTurbo> the icon is not the one used by the theme
[05:27] <PrimoTurbo> it's supposed to change it
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> can I manually change it some how?
[05:28] <_Icebreaker_> does anybody know how to configure ubuntu to run with 2 monitor connected to a dualheaded nvidia video card
[05:28] <knowledge_> bob2, possible because I installed the Kubuntu packages as well?
[05:28] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: getting rid of the non-ubuntu sources and running "sudo apt-get update" might help
[05:28] <dougsk> PrimoTurbo, ah I see, hmm ,nah I dunno
[05:28] <we> thanx
[05:28] <PrimoTurbo> crap :(
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: then "sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt=3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3"
[05:28] <bob2> knowledge_: know, it'd be because of "backports" or the agnula stuff
[05:29] <bob2> _Icebreaker_: google didn't know anything?
[05:29] <ryan_> im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update
[05:29] <dougsk> ilba7r, ah great question -- I experienced that too -- I pulled the offending wireless card, bob2 thanks for the solution.  what's happening that causes that?
[05:29] <ryan_> is there anyway around it?
[05:30] <bob2> someone has to define what "freezes my network connection" means
[05:30] <tha_gamemaster1> yea so sorry irc timed out, so transcode problem...
[05:30] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: the packages are broken, they won't work
[05:30] <ryan_> bob2, im trying to install the addon for firefox FlashGot, but the firefox website is saying something about the firefox version not being verified after an update
[05:30] <bob2> dude
[05:30] <bob2> you already asked the channel
[05:31] <bob2> asking me just annoys me, I already saw it
[05:31] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, oh ok thanks, i'll just install transcode by hand then, it's been broken since warty i think
[05:31] <Chris_Tucker> once you have apt-got vnc4server, whats the work to get it set up?
[05:31] <ryan_> people dont speek to you though unless you speek to someone specific bob2
[05:31] <bob2> ryan_: no, that's not how it works, sorry
[05:31] <bob2> you ask a question to the channel
[05:31] <dougsk> bob2, ah well it didn't actually freeze my connection -- rather it would just die, so I would just ifconfig eth0 blah blah route add blah blah and it worked again
[05:31] <bob2> perhaps fro mthere you have a conversation with someone in particular
[05:32] <PrimoTurbo> where are the default icons located?
[05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I guess they setup conflicting routes
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> thought someone might like to see this posting... http://lists.olin.edu/pipermail/ocp/2005-January/000196.html - was looking for help getting mythtv going
[05:32] <PrimoTurbo> does anyone know?
[05:32] <bob2> dougsk: I'd need to see the /etc/network/interfaces to give a definitive answer
[05:32] <sahara534> que programa puedo usar para tostar cds que no sea k3b
[05:32] <cafuego> !es
[05:32] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> cafuego, wow
[05:33] <dougsk> bob2, no worries I'll wait for networkmanager and see if it shows up again
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> ubotu is sweet bot
[05:33] <ubotu> nomasteryoda: I don't know
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:34] <bob2> hah, NM seems kinda rooted, tho
[05:34] <cafuego> !stupid bot
[05:34] <ubotu> stupid cafuego
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[05:34] <sahara534> ok
[05:34] <knowledge_> bob2, I've reverted back to the original file that came with ubuntu and I"m still getting errors trying to install any sort of qt3-dev or libqt3-dev
[05:35] <file> 420 users woo
[05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: I can't see your screen
[05:35] <bob2> knowledge_: #flood
[05:35] <file> has anyone ever gotten MSReader to run through crossover office
[05:35] <DonL> time to go. see ya later
[05:35] <desrt> 421, actually :)
[05:35] <knowledge_> bob2, pasted
[05:35] <tha_gamemaster1> i love compiling from source... at least until something breaks...
[05:35] <desrt> oh.  crap.
[05:36] <bob2> knowledge_: and your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:36] <Jemt> back
[05:37] <puff> Firefox seems really slow, and this is a much faste rmachine than my old machine... but I've never used firefox-on-linux before, is this firefox or ubuntu?
[05:37] <knowledge_> bob2, sent
[05:37] <aru> maybe your stopwatch is slow?
[05:37] <puff> Actually, I guess firefox isn'treally where the slowness is, more in switching between firefox and terminal.
[05:37] <bob2> knowledge_: and "apt-cache policy libqt3-dev"?
[05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff the more "pretty" the desktop is, the less performace you get out of your X environment
[05:37] <Jemt> puff: Firefox /is/ slow on Ubuntu. Think it is quite slow on Windows too though. Startup time and computer specification ?
[05:37] <bob2> not that you should be installing that at all
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> puff: run free -m and past it to pastebin for me
[05:37] <dj28> puff: noticed the same thing on my laptop. firefox on ubuntu was noticably slower than it was on fedora and XP
[05:37] <puff> Seems to sort of hesitate...
[05:37] <tha_gamemaster1> puff try a less demanding window manager
[05:38] <HrdwrBoB> puff: if you're out of ram it'll be slow
[05:38] <bob2> does firefox on fedora use Pango?
[05:38] <thr1ce> man, firefox runs quick here
[05:38] <knowledge_> bob2, sent
[05:38] <dj28> not sure
[05:38] <thr1ce> i must be lucky
[05:38] <file> hmm found another program that can read .lit files, going to try to use it through crossover office
[05:38] <bob2> knowledge_: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libqt3-dev ; sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev
[05:38] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/832
[05:38] <dj28> i never figured out why it was slower.. but it certainly is
[05:38] <tha_gamemaster1> "depends on libz" anyone know what libz is ?
[05:39] <puff> I'm pretty sure I'm on metacity, the default.
[05:39] <thr1ce> tha_gamemaster, google will
[05:39] <cafuego> dj28: it's fater under Linux on my hardware.
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib
[05:39] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, thanks!
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: aka gzip librarie
[05:39] <knowledge_> bob2, didn't work...
[05:39] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: zlib0g if you're looking for the runtime library package
[05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: ok
[05:39] <dj28> cafuego: odd. i dual booted fedora and ubuntu for a while before installing XP over fedora, and firefox is noticably slower on ubuntu for some reason. i'm able to replicate this on other machines too
[05:39] <Jemt> puff: Btw - Firefox always takes very long time to start after a reboot. But after one start, the following windows should start within a few seconds. Takes about 2-3 seconds on my computer (1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB DDR Ram)
[05:39] <bob2> knowledge_: it might be easier for you to reinstall then
[05:40] <puff> Hm,that reminds me, i have an extra 1GB dimm in it, unless i'm misreading /proc/.meminfo it's only seeing 1GB.
[05:40] <bob2> or maybe somsone else can walk you through unbreaking apt
[05:40] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/833
[05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, ubuntu
[05:40] <knowledge_> ?
[05:40] <bob2> puff: "uname -r" prints?
[05:40] <majic> why is firestarter blocking only google.com but nothing else? I've been trying to figure it out for 2 hours.
[05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: yes
[05:40] <cafuego> puff: 896MB ?
[05:40] <knowledge_> bob2, nahh...don't feel like losing all my settings....it's not that important
[05:40] <dbernar1> hey.
[05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> that amount of ram is because he's not using the SMP kernel
[05:40] <tha_gamemaster1> he has too much ram for stock kernel
[05:40] <bob2> knowledge_: you put it on hold?
[05:40] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: no, it's not to do with SMP-ness
[05:41] <Chris_Tucker> how do i set up a vnc server to show me whats happening on the same display that my vid card is outputting?
[05:41] <puff> uname -r -> 2.6.10-5-386
[05:41] <cafuego> puff: install a -k7 or -686 kernel; tjhey will have HIGHMEM enabled.
[05:41] <bob2> puff: what cpu do you have?
[05:41] <tha_gamemaster1> bob2, all i know is if i don't use the smp kernel it only sees 800+ MB ram, not the full 1024
[05:41] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: That's got nothing to do with SMP.
[05:41] <bob2> tha_gamemaster1: linux-686 will see it, too, even without SMP
[05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> i know, smp is dual processors ,but HIMEM is built into that kernel, i don't use 686, i use the k7 kernel
[05:42] <puff> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/834
[05:42] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: The normal -k7 kernel *laso* has HIGHMEM enabled.
[05:42] <puff> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.13GHz
[05:42] <bob2> puff: sudo aptitude install linux-686
[05:42] <majic> we got any firestarter guru's in here? My firewall settings are perfect with the exception that google for some reason is being blocked.
[05:42] <bob2> puff: reboot, enjoy!
[05:42] <tha_gamemaster1> cafuego, oh it didn't used to when i first installed warty, but thanks, i'm glad they fixed it now
[05:44] <mebaran151> is chatzilla an XUL app?
[05:44] <bob2> yes
[05:44] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, i'm still getting the libz error.. "configure: error: transcode depends on libz, but cannot links against libz"
[05:45] <dougsk> mebaran151, yes or javascript more or less  -- pretty effing amazing tbh
[05:45] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: because you don't have the correct headers
[05:45] <bob2> zlib0g-dev
[05:45] <mebaran151> dougsk: it does show
[05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster1: if you only have a single CPU, the smp kernel is SLOWER.
[05:45] <mebaran151> in its lack of sophistication and simple design
[05:45] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, ah thanks! oh its zlib1g-dev now...
[05:45] <mebaran151> but it is also ghetto fabulous
[05:45] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Also, trancode comes precompiled.
[05:45] <mebaran151> bob2: X isnt broken in Hoary
[05:45] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers!
[05:45] <mebaran151> my X started up ok
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: indeed
[05:46] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, oh thanks, i'll fix that.... cafuego transcode is broken in ubuntu
[05:46] <bob2> in breezy it is for a lot of people
[05:46] <bob2> tha_gamemaster: no, transcode isn't in ubuntu
[05:46] <mebaran151> bob2: I found that sometimes apt doesnt fix everything
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, apt will rarely fix anything
[05:46] <mebaran151> once I had to reinstall Ubuntu to make evolution work
[05:46] <bob2> mebaran151: I really really doubt that
[05:46] <cafuego> bob2: Yes, and if you tell them it's broken they all insist fixing it is fun and want to "upgrade" immediately.
[05:47] <bob2> haha
[05:47] <bob2> indeed
[05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it takes me 20 minutes to do a clean install
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: breaking evolution as a user is pretty much impossible
[05:47] <dougsk> lmao --staying on hoary where I belong
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: that's awesome, but still unncceseary
[05:47] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: There is a non-ubuntu repository with transcode in it.
[05:47] <mebaran151> bob2: it just kept segfaulting
[05:47] <bob2> mebaran151: and did you check if your disk was ok?  did it affect other users?
[05:47] <thr1ce> i hate evolution
[05:47] <Computer__Guru> apt usually fixes stuff for me
[05:47] <mebaran151> well I'm the only user on my own box
[05:47] <Computer__Guru> *shrug*
[05:47] <mebaran151> the disk was fine
[05:47] <cafuego> bob2: I've had evolution be broken quite a bit.
[05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: so, in future, make another user and see if affects them
[05:48] <bob2> cafuego: oh, sure, it's buggy as hell
[05:48] <mebaran151> it was new Western Digital 80 Gb
[05:48] <cafuego> bob2: It currently crashes reliable when I tried to modify a specific imap account.
[05:48] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, i installed the "restricted" repositories, it's still broken.
[05:48] <bob2> but it usually seems to be problems with settings in your home dir
[05:48] <mebaran151> cafeugo, heh, my contat pane was broken
[05:48] <mebaran151> bob2: I DID try deleting all its references in my home directory
[05:48] <mebaran151> but I might not have hit them all
[05:48] <bob2> mebaran151: hence creating a test user
[05:48] <mebaran151> I doubt it was the home dir though
[05:49] <cafuego> bob2: yes, they emuilated MS quite well; it manages to be incompatible with its own prefs ;-)
[05:49] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  what program?
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: how could it possibly be anything else?
[05:49] <mebaran151> Evolution
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: your user doesn't have permission to modify files anywhere else
[05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: it segfaulted
[05:49] <Computer__Guru> rm -rf ~/.evolution ?
[05:49] <mebaran151> usually that is a bad library somewhere deep
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, and it could segfault due to broken data in ~/
[05:49] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Do you have any slightly more elightening info than "it's broken" ?
[05:49] <Mobius> g'devening guys / gals - I have my asus laptop with an intel 2200 - can't seem to find the wireless network .. and i've got the router right here - works with windows.. any suggestions?
[05:49] <mebaran151> bob2: weird thing was that it was in bugzilla
[05:49] <bob2> mebaran151: and how would reinstalling (which would get you bit for bit identical packages) fix a "bad library"?
[05:49] <mebaran151> and they fixed it
[05:50] <ubunoo> dose anyone know why wget seems to download  rubish some sometime insteed of the file ( this link is like www.bla.com/bladir/bla.tar.gz
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: define "rubbish"
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: what does the "file" command say it is?
[05:50] <ubunoo> file comand?
[05:50] <thr1ce> are you on reiserfs ?
[05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, it depends on libgcc1 and it's basically a version mis-match
[05:50] <bob2> Mobius: best to explain how far along you are
[05:50] <bob2> ubunoo: "file foo.tar.gz"
[05:50] <ubunoo> im on ext3
[05:50] <ubunoo> ok
[05:50] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, you want the exact error from synaptic? i'll paste it.
[05:50] <ubunoo> cool brb
[05:50] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: So nothing a bit of --force-foo wouldn't fix?
[05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - been trying to find the network using iwconfig / iwlist - just set up the router last night and it works with my bros windows laptop
[05:51] <cafuego> tha_gamemaster: Not to the channel you won't!
[05:51] <ubunoo>  ASCII text
[05:51] <ubunoo> !
[05:51] <ubotu> ubunoo: I haven't a clue
[05:51] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, where's the flood channel ?
[05:51] <thr1ce> #flood?
[05:51] <bob2> Mobius: so the module is loaded ok? iwconfig sees the card as a wireless card?
[05:51] <dougsk> ubunoo, I've noticed especially with media files where they get deeply redirected on internal servers that that can happen mostly text files as opposed to the vid or what not
[05:51] <thr1ce> the name throws you off, I know
[05:51] <mebaran151> and committed it to the repos
[05:51] <mebaran151> but even though apt installed it
[05:51] <mebaran151> the bug never did come out
[05:51] <ubunoo> bob2: man so its downloaded a text file?
[05:51] <Mobius> bob2 - yep
[05:52] <bob2> ubunoo: what was the exact url you tried to get?
[05:52] <bob2> Mobius: and "sudo iwlist scanning" doesn't show anything?
[05:52] <bob2> mebaran151: did you follow up to the bug report?
[05:52] <Mobius> no scan results bob2
[05:52] <deprave> hi bob
[05:53] <mebaran151> bob2: yeah
[05:53] <Jemt> Is it normal that the 'PowerNowD' changes my CPU frequency quite often? Almost everytime I load a program it boosts my CPU speed. Makes sense but I thought that I would boost the CPU speed if it had problems performing well
[05:53] <mebaran151> they said they fixed it
[05:53] <ubunoo> bob2: http://www.thunderstone.com/site/webinator/freeprod51/i686-unknown-linux2.4.9-64-32/webinator-5.1.tar.gz
[05:53] <cafuego> Jemt: yeah, it'll change all the time.
[05:53] <bob2> Jemt: no, it dynamically changes it based on load
[05:53] <deprave> hi bob
[05:53] <mebaran151> Jemt: that is the whole point ....
[05:53] <bob2> ubunoo: er, look at the file you downloaded
[05:53] <bob2> deprave: hi
[05:53] <mebaran151> bob is very popular tonigh
[05:53] <deprave> bobbyd: =D
[05:53] <mebaran151> :p
[05:54] <deprave> oops
[05:54] <Mobius> hey deprave =)
[05:54] <deprave> damn nick completor
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> what all processors support that powernow stuff?
[05:54] <ilba7r> thanx bob2 it seemed that the interfaces at /etc/network interfaces had both eth0 and wlan0 uploaded which was a problem as i have for both the same static ip address
[05:54] <ubunoo> bob2: y?
[05:54] <deprave> Mobius: =D
[05:54] <bob2> Jemt: "man powernowd" explains what the available modes are
[05:54] <ilba7r> thanx again removing one of them just did the trick
[05:54] <bob2> ubunoo: did you or not?
[05:54] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru: most
[05:54] <bob2> ilba7r: np
[05:54] <mebaran151> the AMD ones do
[05:54] <tha_gamemaster> BRB guys, switching kernels
[05:54] <Mobius> whats shakin' deprave?
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  how would i check if my p4 does?
[05:54] <mebaran151> I think even the Petium 4 does throttling
[05:54] <bob2> Computer__Guru: all modern ones support something similar; powernowd's name is outdated
[05:54] <Computer__Guru> ah
[05:55] <Jemt> Thanks, bob2
[05:55] <deprave> Mobius: i'm extremely drunk. you?
[05:55] <Computer__Guru> that's kinda cool
[05:55] <Megahertz> Is it mandatory to have my phone number to order the cd's?
[05:55] <Mobius> deprave: fighting with wireless / lol
[05:55] <deprave> Mobius: fun
[05:57] <bob2> Megahertz: I think it's just so the delivery company can contact you if there's a problem
[05:57] <Mobius> lies.
[05:57] <deprave> haha
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: you mean try to open it in vim?
[05:57] <deprave> yeah.
[05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: dude, however you look at text files
[05:57] <kappadragon> what is a good channel to ask a lot of basic linux questions - mostly drivers for hardware in my comp
[05:57] <deprave> bob is there an avi plugin for ubuntu?
[05:57] <bob2> ubunoo: run cat on it for all I care
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> hahaha
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> This processor "Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz" is known _not_ to support power-saving.
[05:57] <Computer__Guru>  * Starting powernowd...
[05:57] <Computer__Guru>  * CPU frequency scaling not supported                                   [ ok ]
[05:57] <elmagozizou> Hi...Is there a Download manager that alow dowloads recovery?
[05:57] <bob2> how would an OS have a plugin for a video container format?
[05:57] <Megahertz> bob2: So if my country code is like 011 and my province is like 905, Do i type in 011-905-123-5555 ?
[05:57] <deprave> bob2: i like pepsi.
[05:57] <bob2> if you mean "can any programs on Ubuntu play .avi movies?", then wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: ahhhhhhhhh
[05:57] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: wget
[05:57] <paulproteus> wget -c !
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: oh mannnnn im a idoit
[05:57] <Computer__Guru> I think I'm going to watch a movie
[05:57] <elmagozizou> Xenguy, thnks...is it in grafic mode?
[05:57] <ubunoo> bob2: for some reason vim wouldn't open it say something about read only
[05:58] <bob2> ubunoo: vim should still have opened it
[05:58] <Xenguy> elmagozizou: dunno - I use it command-line
[05:59] <ubunoo> bob2: "webinator-5.1.tar.gz" 1L, 20C
[05:59] <ubunoo> Error detected while processing function <SNR>6_read:
[05:59] <ubunoo> line   32:
[05:59] <ubunoo> E484: Can't open file /tmp/v811086/1
[05:59] <ubunoo> Hit ENTER or type command to continue
[05:59] <bob2> vim was trying to open it as a .tzr.gz
[05:59] <bob2> and it's not even close to being a real .tzr.gz
[05:59] <ubunoo> ohhhhhhh
[05:59] <ubunoo> lol
[06:00] <ubunoo> what do you do to wget to say open as text?
[06:00] <bob2> vim -c"ft=text" foo.tar.gz, I'd guess
[06:00] <bob2> I wouldn't bother tho, it's a one-line text file
[06:00] <puff> Ah, much betteer, /proc/meminfo appears to see all of the memory now.
[06:00] <puff> So... my laptop seems to get fairly hot, and I can't really tell if the fan kicks on or not.
[06:01] <majic> is there an irc channel for firestarter?
[06:02] <geneo93> has anyone used mondo for back up to tape drive
[06:03] <puff> Given that hibernation seems flaky...
[06:03] <cs378> puff: when im running linux, fan rarely goes on, but on winXp, goes on once in 20 min
[06:03] <puff> cs378: Hm,well, maybe I'm just too paranoid.
[06:03] <bob2> puff: hibernation? really?
[06:03] <bob2> or do you mean suspend-to-ram?
[06:03] <bob2> suspend-to-disk should work everywhere
[06:04] <puff> bob2:  well, it seems to just not come back up.
[06:04] <bob2> puff: are you using any binary-only drivers?
[06:04] <puff> I hit fn-f4 to suspend-to-ram, close it up, open it up th enext day...
[06:04] <paulproteus> suspend to RAM is not hibernate.
[06:04] <puff> bob2: AFAIK I'm using vanilla ubuntu hoary, installed it a couple days ago.
[06:04] <bob2> that's not hibernate, that's suspend-to-ram
[06:04] <paulproteus> Suspend to disk is hibernate.
[06:04] <bob2> aka sleep
[06:05] <paulproteus> Like what I should be doing right now.
[06:05] <bob2> paulproteus: 'night
[06:05] <puff> paulproteus: Yeah, I'm using suspend-to-ram because somebody here told me suspend-to-disk is flaky... which should i use?
[06:05] <bob2> suspend-to-ram is highly machine-specific
[06:05] <puff> paulproteus: G'night.
[06:05] <bob2> puff: is your laptop on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryPMResults?
[06:05] <tha_gamemaster> cafuego, ok how do I force install of transcode, i tried using --force-yes still  gives me a dependency error.
[06:05] <puff> Lemme check.
[06:06] <bob2> force-all to get around the libgcc thing will break horribly
[06:06] <bob2> just rebuild the source package on your system
[06:06] <tha_gamemaster> bob2, that's what i was doing ^_^ at least i'm not alone in my thinking, i got transcode to compile right out of the box on os x
[06:07] <puff> t43p, not there... t2 is.
[06:07] <puff> Er, t42
[06:07] <puff> Guess it's a bit too bleeding-edge.
[06:07] <bob2> puff: I'd be pretty surprised if suspend-to-disk didn't work
[06:08] <bob2> have you tried it?
[06:08] <ivan_qk> hi
[06:08] <SymGeosis> I followed ubuntuguide.org to properly enable sound but now Totem can't play sound. It says that the sound card is in use. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:08] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, killall esd, then try
[06:08] <puff> bob2: Yeah, it does.
[06:08] <puff> sometimes.
[06:08] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, I tried that. =/
[06:09] <puff> Okay, so wht is the general rule of thumb, avoid suspend-to-ram and use suspend-to-disk?
[06:09] <thr1ce> SymGeosis, are you using xmms or anything?
[06:09] <SymGeosis> thr1ce, negative.
[06:09] <ivan_qk> whitch cvs client is better?
[06:09] <puff> are there any ways to speed up the boot up process?  it seemed to send a long time at the network stage.
[06:09] <bob2> puff: no, there is no general rule of thume
[06:10] <bob2> puff: both should work, if they don't, it's a bug.  I've not seen any laptops where suspend-to-disk didn't work, tho
[06:10] <bob2> unless people used binary drivers
[06:10] <puff> ivan_qk: Better for what?   I generally like the cvs command-line client, but I'll be the first to admit that graphical clients can make it a lot easier to see what has changed and needs committing.
[06:10] <bob2> puff: can you file a bug in bugzilla on the "linux" package?
[06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, you could create a custom kernel. That'd be the simplest way.
[06:10] <puff> bob2: Well, they work, but sometimes they don't seem to come back up.
[06:10] <bob2> SymGeosis: how would that help?
[06:10] <SymGeosis> puff, and possibly you could tweak your hard drives with hdparm.
[06:10] <bob2> puff: right, which counts as "doesn't work" ;)
[06:11] <cs378> what is better than Dev-C++?
[06:11] <ivan_qk> how i can install cvs for use it from console?
[06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, smaller kernel == less boot time.
[06:11] <puff> bob2: Sure, but I'd like to maybe narrow down the circumstances before i file a bug.
[06:11] <bob2> ivan_qk: install the "cvs" package
[06:11] <ivan_qk> java is better than Dev C++
[06:11] <ubunoo> ?
[06:11] <ivan_qk> cvs, ok thanks
[06:11] <SymGeosis> bob2, I cut my load time nearly in half.
[06:11] <ivan_qk> im new on ubuntu
[06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: you really think the time saved reading a 1.5MB kernel compared to a 1MB would help?
[06:11] <bob2> SymGeosis: was that a monolithic kernel?
[06:11] <hybrid_goth> is limewire trutly adware free?
[06:12] <SymGeosis> bob2, No. I originally had the default kernel and then I just went through and disabled everything that I didn't need.
[06:12] <puff> Y'know, the funny thing is, if you made a boot loader that almost immediately flashed a pretty, animated graphic on the screen, most people would feel like it loaded faster.
[06:12] <bob2> SymGeosis: e.g.?
[06:12] <RetroMan> hi everyone, how can I safely upgrade my kernel..?
[06:13] <kappadragon> is there a prog that will scan my hardware and install the proper drivers?
[06:13] <bob2> puff: in the works for the next version
[06:13] <puff> bob2: Hee... good.
[06:13] <puff> I'm liking most of what I've seen of ubuntu, so far.
[06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, Just about everything. Too many to name.
[06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: yes, it's called "hotplug", and you already have it
[06:13] <bob2> SymGeosis: not compiling certain modules doesn't help with boot times at all
[06:13] <kappadragon> sry im bran new still learning the progs - ty for help
[06:13] <bob2> except if depmod runs
[06:13] <puff> bob2: You should just say "Yes, there is, i just installed it for you".
[06:13] <bob2> kappadragon: what isn't being detected?
[06:13] <SymGeosis> bob2, then I guess I'm lying. =(
[06:14] <SymGeosis>  /sarcasm.
[06:14] <kappadragon> my LAN card
[06:14] <bob2> SymGeosis: I'm wondering how you cut it in half, since dropping modules won't save time at all
[06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: is it PCI?
[06:14] <kappadragon> using wireless
[06:14] <RetroMan> do I upgrade my kernel simply by downloading a new linux-headers ?
[06:14] <kappadragon> yes integrated PCI
[06:14] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support it at all?
[06:14] <puff> Well, I'm just trying to figure out how I could speed up the boot process.
[06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, no
[06:14] <bob2> RetroMan: no
[06:14] <thr1ce> RetroMan, don't do that at all actually
[06:14] <kappadragon> how do i tell?
[06:18] <RetroMan> ok
[06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, some of it was compiled as part of the kernel instead of modules.
[06:18] <RetroMan> Im really scared... should I be?
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: why do you want to upgrade your kernel?
[06:18] <puff> bob2: I read about  a linux-based handheld device that had instant-on, from what I read/heard much of the trick was that it knew exactly what hardware to expect.
[06:18] <bob2> and to what?
[06:18] <puff> bob2: Somewhere in there, it was implied that a lot of the boot time is probing the hardware.
[06:18] <bob2> puff: right, that can take time
[06:18] <RetroMan> Im trying to use lufs, but it doesnt seem to work under my kernel (2.6.10)
[06:18] <bob2> but getting rid of modules you don't use won't cut that time down
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: "doesnt seem to work" = ?
[06:18] <thr1ce> sure, turn off hotplug...that'll turn get your time WAY down
[06:18] <Madpilot> !doesn't work
[06:18] <ubotu> I heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[06:18] <kappadragon> where can i find hotplug in the menus?
[06:18] <RetroMan> dmesg gives me: lufs: Unknown symbol kill_proc_info
[06:18] <puff> Is there any way I can figure out where the load time is being taken up, other than re-booting and timing different stages with a stopwatch?
[06:18] <SymGeosis> I think I may just have to go back to old esd instead of esd-alsa.
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: it ran at boot time
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: how did you instal the lufs modules?
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: does linux support your card at all?  that's what you need to find out first.
[06:18] <tommy|> so i have a quick question about sudo
[06:18] <tommy|> if i had a shell script, could i tell it to automatically give the sudo password?
[06:18] <kappadragon> bob2: how do i find out?
[06:18] <RetroMan> bob2 I used module-assistant build lufs, and module-assistant install lufs using the apt package lufs-source
[06:18] <bob2> tommy|: nope
[06:18] <tommy|> >_<
[06:18] <SymGeosis> bob2, I suppose some of that time may also have been influenced by hdparm though I did notice an incredible difference with my custom kernel.
[06:18] <tommy|> thanks anyways
[06:18] <puff> hm, alt-tab still feels jerky/laggy.
[06:18] <bob2> tommy|: you'd make it so the script didn't require the password at all
[06:18] <bob2> kappadragon: look on the box it came in, I suppose
[06:18] <bob2> or find someone to interpret the output of lspci
[06:18] <ubunoo> will this work in a comand line?
[06:18] <bob2> RetroMan: odd
[06:18] <kappadragon> it was part of my computer - integrated - so i suppose not
[06:18] <puff> Is there anything else i should generally be doing to improve this machine, with respect to packages, configuration, etc?
[06:18] <ubunoo> smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/linux
[06:19] <kappadragon> but my wireless card is integrated too
[06:19] <ubunoo> that?
[06:19] <RetroMan> bob2, some googles suggest that lufs simply doesnt work on my particular version of the kernel
[06:19] <redtech> im trying to install ubuntu on my wifes pc (athlon 2100) and I recieve the following error: Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt | Anyone familiar with this?
[06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: nope
[06:19] <ubunoo> didn't think so
[06:19] <bob2> ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //<IP_ADDRESS>/stuff /mnt/kazoo
[06:19] <bob2> that's how you mount them
[06:19] <bob2> redtech: make sure the cd burnt properly
[06:20] <redtech> ive used this very cd to install on the laptop that Im chatting with now...
[06:20] <redtech> ill burn another copy though if you think that may be the issue
[06:20] <ubunoo> bob2: would this work ubunoo: sudo mount -t smbfs -o ro //<IP_ADDRESS>/   /mnt/kazoo
[06:21] <ubunoo> not specifying a folder that is
[06:21] <bob2> redtech: no, burning again isn't useful, check if the one you have is ok or not
[06:21] <bob2> ubunoo: er, surely your share has a name?
[06:21] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i was just wondering if that would show all the shares on that machine
[06:21] <ubunoo> if i did that
[06:21] <ricosuave17> how do i setup up framebuffer plz
[06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: nope
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you don't
[06:22] <ricosuave17> i mean enable then
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: you still don't.
[06:22] <The_Vox> ubotu: smbclient -L ip.of.remotecomputer will give you all the shares it has
[06:22] <ubotu> The_Vox: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: explain what you're trying to do
[06:22] <ricosuave17> i wanna watch video on console
[06:22] <ricosuave17> like real terminal mode
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why?
[06:22] <ubunoo> bob2: is there any why I can see what shares are avalible? with out usin natalis
[06:22] <ricosuave17> and use links
[06:22] <bob2> ubunoo: yes, The_Vox explained how
[06:22] <bob2> ricosuave17: why don't you want to use X?
[06:23] <ubunoo> oh
[06:23] <bob2> kappadragon: paste the output of "lspci" to #flood
[06:23] <ricosuave17> just cause. how can i do it plz
[06:23] <drcode> hi all
[06:23] <drcode> whats up
[06:23] <ubunoo> The_Vox: chears
[06:23] <ubunoo> thank you
[06:23] <bob2> ricosuave17: just use X
[06:23] <RetroMan> bob2, could I download a newer kernel via apt, use module-assistant to build lufs alongside of that, while never actually changing my actual kernel usage?
[06:23] <drcode> any one know nice emulator for psx2 ?
[06:23] <tommy|> i should make a useful shellscript as a practice >_>
[06:23] <ricosuave17> i dont want to use x
[06:23] <puff> bob2: hm, not sure where the linux package is in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:24] <drcode> that work in linux?
[06:24] <bob2> ricosuave17: why?
[06:24] <ricosuave17> because i like to experiment in real terminal. will you plz help me
[06:24] <bob2> read the kernel framebuffer documentation
[06:24] <RetroMan> ricosuave, you cant watch a video in a terminal
[06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: actually, you can, tho it doesn't look too well :)
[06:25] <bob2> ricosuave17: install linux-doc-2.6
[06:25] <RetroMan> oh .. :)
[06:25] <bob2> RetroMan: no, you'd need to use the kernel the modules were build tofr
[06:25] <The_Vox> RetroMan: you just use the aa video codec, as long as you have framebuffer working
[06:26] <ricosuave17> i have a problem with gnome-terminal it wont let me use the letter n
[06:27] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: What happens when you do use N?
[06:27] <paulproteus> Does it ignore it?  Make a new window open?
[06:27] <ricosuave17> it doesnt detect the letter n
[06:27] <paulproteus> Eject your CD-ROM drive?    Pop the cap of the 'n' off your keyboard?
[06:27] <paulproteus> Oh, just ignoring it.  Okay.
[06:28] <Jemt> I haft to go. Thanks for all your help, guys
[06:28] <ricosuave17> ok i installed the doc how do i use them now?>
[06:29] <redtech> bob2, it was the memory..  thanks
[06:30] <ricosuave17> bob2: how do i use the docs
[06:33] <ricosuave17> bob2: will u help me plz
[06:33] <puff> bob2: Ah, found the linux package, bug filed.
[06:34] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, a doc?  start by reading it...
[06:34] <tha_gm> bob2, is all kinds of crazy-busy
[06:34] <ricosuave17> well i mean were is the section about frame buffer
[06:34] <ricosuave17> why wont u just tell me
[06:35] <_icebreaker_> what package do i need to extract rar archives with ther archiv manager?
[06:35] <thr1ce> ricosuave17, it's linux, not everything is handed to you
[06:35] <thr1ce> and honestly, I don't know; either I look for it, or you do
[06:35] <ricosuave17> well u could just tell me what to do
[06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: for god's sake, dude
[06:36] <ricosuave17> what dude
[06:36] <bob2> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>
[06:36] <tha_gm> i'm learning tons of stuff! i think i'm figuring out compiling errors...
[06:36] <bob2> you need to have some small amount of initiaive yourself
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> bob2, well said
[06:37] <tha_gm> here here bob2 !
[06:38] <ricosuave17> i need to recompile my kernel?
[06:38] <tha_gm> bob2, is my hero, I just impressed myself...
[06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: of course not
[06:39] <bob2> ricosuave17: did you read the frame buffer documentation yet?
[06:39] <ricosuave17> were is it?
[06:39] <bob2> dude
[06:39] <bob2> come on
[06:39] <tha_gm> ricosuave17: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-<tab>
[06:40] <ricosuave17> what do i use to read it with what program
[06:40] <paulproteus> ricosuave17: It's text files.
[06:40] <Christophe971> wow so much people here
[06:40] <Christophe971> plop
[06:40] <puff> Hm, is there a faster browser than firefox? This is excruciating.
[06:40] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....
[06:40] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.
[06:40] <Christophe971> puff: try Opera
[06:40] <puff> paulproteus: Hm?
[06:40] <puff> I'm on a machine that's ridiculously more powerful than my old win2k laptop and it's slow.
[06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, ok, i sucessfully compiled and installed transcode with no errors, so now how do i get past it in the dependencies of apt?
[06:41] <puff> I refuse to believe that windows is faster than linux :-).
[06:41] <tha_gm> bob2, btw i'm trying to install dvdrip
[06:41] <paulproteus> You can use gedit or vim or less or nano or emacs or kedit or ....
[06:41] <paulproteus> puff: You should probably look into the IPv6 problem and solution if you think Firefox is slow.
[06:41] <tha_gm> puff, i refuse to b believe that as well
[06:41] <paulproteus> Sorry, that's what I meant to re-say.
[06:41] <bob2> tha_gm: er, you didn't use the ubuntu source package?
[06:42] <paulproteus> puff: If your DNS servers suck, Firefox will be crazy slow.
[06:42] <paulproteus> It will try to request IPv6 addresses, wait FOR FREAKING EVER for no answer, and then fall back to IPv4.
[06:42] <tha_gm> bob2, there's a source-package ? i just did it the tarball way
[06:42] <paulproteus> (Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?)
[06:42] <bob2> no, not like that
[06:42] <bob2> nevermind
[06:43] <bob2> just install equivs and make a fake transcode package
[06:43] <puff> No candidate version found for opera
[06:43] <bob2> oper's of course not in ubuntu
[06:43] <paulproteus> Do you know what IPv6 is, puff?
[06:43] <jernau> q: where are the conf files responsible for default terminal profiles and such?
[06:43] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make a fake transcode package? compile it as a .deb ?
[06:43] <bob2> puff: have you trid disabling ipv6 yet?
[06:43] <bob2> tha_gm: no, 14:43:09 @         bob2 | just install equivs and make a fake transcode package
[06:44] <bob2> apt-cache show equivs
[06:44] <puff> paulproteus: it's more that it's slow in interacting with web forms, not in loading/rendering pages.
[06:44] <puff> I know what IPv6 is, yeah, not sure where i'd disable it, /etc/network?
[06:44] <paulproteus> puff: "interacting with" them?  What do you mean?
[06:44] <paulproteus> puff: There's instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com; use its search capacity.
[06:45] <puff> paulproteus:  clicking on the submit button.  Using tab to move the focus from one button to the next.
[06:45] <paulproteus> puff: Oh, I see.
[06:45] <ricosuave17> ok im so lost even trying to read the file. whats the name of the framebuffer file its no were to be found
[06:45] <paulproteus> Yeah, that's a GTK suckage problem, mostly.
[06:45] <paulproteus> Try Konqueror instead.
[06:45] <Christophe971> god damned
[06:46] <paulproteus> You could try one of the GTK themes that renders its widgets using Qt.  Those are often faster than usual GTK rendering.
[06:46] <paulproteus> That's because GTK sucks.
[06:46] <drcode> if I Have tar.gz
[06:46] <drcode> I can compile it in ubuntu
[06:46] <tha_gm> bob2, i hate to repeat myself and make you repeat yourself but i don't undstand "fake transcode package"
[06:47] <tha_gm> bob2, i'm already installing all the dependencies
[06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs
[06:47] <bob2> tha_gm: make an empty package which does nothing but provide transgaming
[06:47] <dr_willis> Hmm. anyone recall where ya can find the source code to 'ls' at?
[06:47] <bob2> you isntall transcode to some random directory, somewhere, and apt has no idea about it
[06:47] <bob2> dr_willis: coreutils
[06:48] <ricosuave17> whats the name of the framebuffer doc
[06:48] <grey-area> q; where are the conf files responsible for terminal profiles and such?
[06:48] <tha_gm> bob2, how do i make an empty package... for transcode not transgaming
[06:48] <paulproteus> Okay, sleepytime everyone.
[06:48] <tha_gm> nite paulproteus
[06:49] <Christophe971> it's only 00:49
[06:49] <Christophe971> the night begins
[06:49] <Christophe971> (or "batnights begins" if you prefer)
[06:50] <ricosuave17> why in god names are the doc compressed
[06:50] <bob2> tha_gm: apt-cache show equivs
[06:50] <puff> hm, typo in the entry for disabling ipv6 in firefox.
[06:50] <tha_gm> bob2, ok
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: to save space, duh
[06:50] <Christophe971> :)
[06:50] <concept10> K3B is probably the only KDE application that I use on my GNOME desktop.  Is there anyway to change the font of this QT application to match gnome?
[06:50] <puff> In any event, it's disabled now, still slow.
[06:50] <ricosuave17> grrr. but it wont let me extract to that dir
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: use a less terrible editor and they willd display fine
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: then don't extract them
[06:50] <bob2> ricosuave17: zless foo.gz
[06:51] <puff> Slow as in:  move pointer over "submit" button, click, a half-second later the submit button depresses.
[06:51] <tha_gm> bob2, i get it! thanks!
[06:51] <puff> Maybe it's just metacity... what's a recommended fast/light WM?
[06:52] <bob2> how would metacity affect that?
[06:52] <Razul> how do you install party poker in ubuntu?
[06:52] <Christophe971> bob2=superman: he can answer 3 person at the same time :)
[06:52] <bob2> Razul: and party poker = some random windows poker game?
[06:52] <Razul> yes
[06:52] <vinux> wow it's great to be back on ubuntu! I tried out Freebsd and boy it made me miss ubuntu even more. I don't know why people insist on wasting thier time configuring stuff they don't need too
[06:52] <bob2> you probably can't
[06:52] <bob2> it might work under wine
[06:52] <Razul> damn
[06:53] <Razul> under wine
[06:53] <Razul> any idea how to install?
[06:53] <bob2> sure, install the wine package
[06:53] <Razul> well i have wine-ui installed i think that is it
[06:53] <bob2> no, it's not
[06:53] <Razul> do i need to install just wine?
[06:58] <puff> bob2: Somebody here said perceived slowness might be due to the window manager.
[06:58] <Razul> when wine installs do i just download the partypoker.exe?   If so how do i run it?
[06:59] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file?
[06:59] <eli_> lost the link =S
[06:59] <bob2> Razul: wine whatever.exe
[07:00] <Razul> k
[07:02] <puff> What the hell:  sudo apt-cache search opera | wc -> 864
[07:03] <ryan_> how do i force kill an app?
[07:04] <bob2> no need to use sudo on apt-cache
[07:04] <bob2> and it seems reasonable for packages to use the string "opera" in their descriptions
[07:04] <eli_> ryan, did you open it in a terminal?
[07:04] <eli_> the application
[07:04] <ryan_> no eli
[07:04] <puff> bob2: Yah, but "apt-get install opera" can't find a candidate.
[07:04] <ryan_> its an app
[07:04] <ryan_> an installer thats frozen
[07:04] <bob2> puff: of course, opera the browser isn't in ubuntu
[07:05] <bob2> puff: no one but the opera company are allowed to distrubiute it; if you'd like that to change you can ask them to change the license
[07:05] <bob2> or go download the ad-nfested .deb from opera.com yourself
[07:05] <puff> Ah, I see.
[07:05] <puff> Sorry, I wasn't aware opera is commercial.
[07:05] <drcode> hi all
[07:05] <drcode> when I try to ./configure
[07:05] <drcode> I get configure: No such file or directory
[07:05] <eli_> ryan_, my best guess would be to go to system tools and open system monitor -> you can shut it down that way
[07:05] <eli_> any suggestions anyone?
[07:06] <drcode> what I Need to install so I can compile
[07:06] <bob2> drcode: er
[07:06] <bob2> drcode: that means that file doesn't exist
[07:09] <bob2> presumably you're in the wrong directory
[07:09] <ryan_> thanks eli_
[07:09] <drcode> bob:I need to install somthing ?
[07:09] <kalias> Hi!  I have a networking question.
[07:09] <bob2> drcode: no, you need to run that command in the actual source tree
[07:09] <bob2> you're in the wrong place
[07:09] <eli_> ryan_, happy to help =)
[07:09] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?
[07:09] <ewew> has anyone ever installed hydrogen?
[07:09] <drcode> k
[07:09] <drcode> thanx
[07:09] <kalias> Any network gurus out there?
[07:09] <bob2> that's not a network guru question
[07:09] <kalias> :)
[07:09] <_icebreaker_> i'm looking for howto's for winex compiling and configuring
[07:09] <bob2> _icebreaker_: #cedega
[07:09] <ryan_> eli whats the terminal command to kill a an app that frozen
[07:10] <kalias> How do I get the name of my ubuntu machine to appear next to the ip address in my router?
[07:10] <bob2> repeating is annoying
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[07:10] <bob2> I'm already finding the option for you
[07:10] <kalias> oh, sorry.
[07:10] <eli_> at the same time
[07:10] <_icebreaker_> bob2, thx
[07:10] <bob2> kalias: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[07:10] <bob2> kalias: the "send hostname" option is what yo uwant, I assume
[07:10] <dr_willis> Hmm. Is there any console framebuffer support in the standard ubuntu kernel? or was it considered  too flakey?
[07:10] <ricosuave17> i want framebuffer
[07:11] <kalias> yes, I think so.   I will give it a try.
[07:11] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, whats up?  I now have 5.04 on this box
[07:11] <bob2> ricosuave17: then read the documentation, instead of annoying people here
[07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: hey
[07:11] <ricosuave17> i did
[07:11] <ricosuave17> but i dont understand
[07:11] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: nice job :)
[07:11] <turkuaz> has X been fized yet?
[07:11] <bob2> no
[07:11] <turkuaz> **fixed
[07:12] <Amaranth> I've converted a Gentoo user to Ubuntu, bow before me! ;)
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: perhaps you should just use X for now then
[07:12] <turkuaz> any idea when?
[07:12] <ricosuave17> why
[07:12] <Amaranth> turkuaz: next month
[07:12] <Amaranth> ;)
[07:12] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, yeah well actually I am a Debian user who was playing around with Gentoo ;)
[07:12] <turkuaz> u serious, its important for the Translation team..
[07:12] <Amaranth> (that's tomorrow and might actually be today in some timezones)
[07:12] <eli_> anyone know the link to winmac sh file? its an sh file that automatically recognizes other partitions and mounts them
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: because it seems that setuping up the framebuffer is too hard for you
[07:12] <bob2> ricosuave17: and you have no compelling reason to do so
[07:13] <Amaranth> turkuaz: i'd expect it to generally be broken until after feature freeze
[07:13] <eli_> Severas wrote it, but i lost the link =S
[07:13] <ricosuave17> well the other day i killed X
[07:13] <ricosuave17> and i almost couldnt get it up again
[07:13] <turkuaz> Amaranth, thx
[07:13] <dr_willis> Hmm.. ricosuave17  that sould of been a trivial thing.
[07:13] <ricosuave17> what do you mean
[07:13] <Razul> ok i ran it "wine PartyPokerSetup.exe"  looks like it is going to install but then hangs says 137 error
[07:14] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I know this isn't the right channel but are the seperators suppossed to show on a stock Ubuntu 5.04?
[07:14] <Amaranth> turkuaz: it's fixable if you do some hackery but then no one will be available to test it when it supposedly gets fixed
[07:14] <concept10> !ntfs
[07:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, ntfs is the filesystem used under Windows XP.  :P
[07:16] <ricosuave17> yes i am sorry but im sure Y will look nice
[07:17] <Amaranth> Y will never release
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: no, youre still confused
[07:17] <Amaranth> Y isn't even needed
[07:17] <ricosuave17> nop windows still looks nicer then that pic
[07:17] <kalias> next question, How do I restart dhcp?
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: X is a graphic driver, more or less
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: you can't "see" X at all
[07:17] <ricosuave17> alright im sorry
[07:17] <Amaranth> X dictates mechanism, not policy
[07:17] <Amaranth> it doesn't "look" like anything
[07:17] <bob2> ricosuave17: if you mean "I don't like the look of GNOME's default theme", then say so
[07:17] <bob2> instead of just making confused rants
[07:17] <tvon> Anyone running breezy and missing items under /dev/ that are usually there?
[07:17] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: You think Windows looks better than that? You'd probably like KDE than.
[07:17] <Amaranth> err, then
[07:18] <ricosuave17> well i mean i ahve tried ICE and Gnome and KDe and Window Maker XFCE and a bunch more and none are nice
[07:18] <dr_willis> ricosuave17,  how nice and vague
[07:18] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, well i have a project tomorrow.  setting up a radius server for my wi-fi but I haven't quite figured out wireless in Ubuntu yet.  Everything is configured and I connect with AES/CCMP but i have to use dhclient manually because when I tell wlan0 in the config file to use dhcp it doesn't wotk.   Looks nice and customized
[07:18] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  then you havent found the right theme for you
[07:18] <Amaranth> !wifi
[07:18] <ubotu> it has been said that wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[07:18] <bob2> ricosuave17: or produce your own theme that you like
[07:18] <kalias> nickrud: Hi! How are you?
[07:19] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ubotu knows much :)
[07:19] <ricosuave17> i did try the XP theme on gnome
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: ick
[07:19] <ricosuave17> its decent but still not that nice
[07:19] <eli_> smart guy he is, ubotu
[07:19] <eli_> how are you ubotu?
[07:19] <ricosuave17> the mac os x was very bad
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: default XP theme looks like a toy
[07:19] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: and brushed metal looks like junk too
[07:19] <Amaranth> :P
[07:19] <ricosuave17> no i downloaded another XP
[07:19] <eli_> ubotu
[07:19] <eli_> yes very smart
[07:20] <dr_willis> best theme - is minimal themes :P
[07:20] <dr_willis> lol
[07:20] <concept10> Anyone know how to modify QT/KDE settings while using GNOME?
[07:20] <ricosuave17> the truth i have seen nice linux pics but i dont how to make mine nice
[07:20] <Gatton> Amaranth, hehe agreed. I love my emac but I had to download that demetallifizer utility to strip the brushed metal look off. Way overused
[07:20] <eli_> is there a brushed metal theme for gnome?
[07:20] <eli_> just curious
[07:20] <zenrox> eli_, yes
[07:20] <geneo93> best theme is green on black
[07:20] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, also i am looking at upgrading my pentium m 1.7 to a 2.1 in the next few months
[07:20] <Amaranth> yeah, but they're worse than the real thing
[07:20] <vinux> dr_willis, yes I'm with ya on that
[07:20] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I hate you. :)
[07:21] <eli_> zenrox, where could i find it =)
[07:21] <ricosuave17> are you people again Y
[07:21] <zenrox> gnome-look.org??
[07:21] <eli_> SquareGuy, you should put a pentium m chip in there
[07:21] <ricosuave17> bad website bad
[07:21] <eli_> then tweak it
[07:21] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'm against cracktastic things that aren't needed and will never release, yes.
[07:21] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, nah you don't I am gonna find some hardware for ya
[07:21] <eli_> and is faster than the best pentium 4 chip
[07:23] <Gatton> Heck this is the first time I've heard of Y. I'm pretty happy with xorg so far
[07:23] <vinux> dr_willis, I got no icons on my desktop just in the panel that is that's on auto hide hehe.  :P
[07:23] <ubunoo> it says:mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
[07:23] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Do you like http://gnome-look.org/content/pre2/19075-2.jpg ?
[07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: perhaps you didn't install smbfs yet
[07:23] <bob2> ubunoo: or dont' have kernel support for it
[07:23] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, need a turtle beach santa cruz sound card?
[07:23] <ubunoo> lol
[07:23] <ubunoo> sorry
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: ooh
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: i can use anything given to me, i've got integrated everything but video :)
[07:23] <ricosuave17> Amaranth: it looks ok but not spectacular. what do u mean by cracktastic
[07:23] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: and newer integrated video systems beat my card
[07:23] <ubunoo> bob2: yeah i keep forgetting cause i was using shares in gnome
[07:23] <ubunoo> but i need smb tools ay
[07:23] <ubunoo> thanks for all your help ay
[07:23] <ubunoo> :)
[07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, hehe yeah i know that card very well.  It will run OpenGL screensavers though
[07:24] <ryan_> once someone has installed eciadsl, how do they configure it to detect the modem?
[07:24] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: barely
[07:24] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I will find out some info on that 9000 pro soon
[07:24] <vinux> Gatton, hehe nah just a picture of the mountians
[07:24] <Amaranth> ryan_: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure eciadsl
[07:24] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic means worthless, more or less
[07:25] <ryan_> Amaranth, thanks bud
[07:25] <live2> Hello, I just installed ubuntu (hoary) on another computer, and the networking is not working. When I try to give the root password for the graphical networking tools, it will not accept it.
[07:25] <Gatton> vinux, same here. Nice b&w lake/mountain shot
[07:25] <eli_> where's a good place to get gtk themes?
[07:25] <eli_> other than gnome-look.org
[07:25] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: cracktastic(adj) - the complete opposite of fantastic
[07:26] <eli_> and art.gnome.org
[07:26] <Amaranth> eli_: those are the only two
[07:26] <concept10> live2, try your user password
[07:26] <eli_> ....
[07:26] <eli_> ok
[07:26] <ricosuave17> well im sure Y is a great idea
[07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Something that defines look has to continually be updated.
[07:26] <Gatton> ricosuave17, you seem awfully hung up on it :)
[07:26] <live2> That doesnt seem to work either.
[07:26] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: The X protocol hasn't changed in well over a decade.
[07:26] <ricosuave17> thats why
[07:26] <ricosuave17> casue X is old
[07:26] <pax> umm what happened to nvu, is it gone from the repos?
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: But our desktops look a _lot_ different than 10 years ago.
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Drop replace what works.
[07:27] <Amaranth> err, Don't
[07:27] <ricosuave17> but after lornhorn windows comes out linux will be dead
[07:27] <reka> hehe
[07:27] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: hahah
[07:27] <Gatton> ricosuave17, I knew it!  Cuz you didn't say Vista ;)
[07:28] <concept10> pax, its in breezy but you want to look for the recently 1.0 version
[07:28] <Amaranth> Gatton: Actually, Microsoft does hire people to troll
[07:28] <dr_willis> it will be the biggest thing since.... spam!
[07:28] <Amaranth> hey davey
[07:28] <pax> concept10: good to know, thanks.
[07:28] <ricosuave17> but u see the problem is linux at least the WM's and arent animated and dont have pretty color
[07:28] <geneo93> after xp i dont think so
[07:28] <ricosuave17> and nice lights and stuff
[07:28] <Gatton> Amaranth, I've heard that. Pretty shady. Unless they wanna give me a bag of cash. Then I'll say Linux is the sux0r ;-)
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I see, you're an "ooh, shiny" kind of guy.
[07:29] <Davey> Hey Amaranth  :)
[07:29] <DekaPink> http://www.fameg.com.br/page.php?cod_pagina=149 <- Famelix looks like something I could get my friends to use if it was English. xD
[07:29] <Davey> Amaranth, Ubuntu hates me :(
[07:29] <ricosuave17> yeap yeap
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I like it better when things work. :)
[07:29] <ricosuave17> well if it shines and works isnt that better
[07:29] <dr_willis> I also perfer tools that actually work - vs shiny ones that dont.
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: I'd rather have it work first, then add the shine.
[07:29] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Which is what we're doing if you look at the developers.
[07:29] <dr_willis> circular logic - gotta love it.
[07:29] <ricosuave17> other way around is nice
[07:30] <Amaranth> ricosuave17: Other way around is Windows ME.
[07:30] <skalpel> how do i install quicktime?
[07:30] <pax> only in #ubuntu can a troll get attention. attention for human beings! :D
[07:30] <dr_willis> :)
[07:30] <dr_willis> pax,  yep
[07:30] <Amaranth> Davey: What'd you break this time?
[07:30] <necrogami> Dr_willis OMFG you said it all!!!! i like tools that work vs shinyones that dont
[07:30] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, WinME is Satan's spawn
[07:30] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: *ding* We have a winner! :)
[07:31] <zenrox> lol
[07:31] <Amaranth> I'd rather use Windows 3.1 than Windows ME. :)
[07:31] <dr_willis> of course I am trying to figure out why i cant enable dma on my new laptops hard drive.. I think its a chipset issue.
[07:31] <Amaranth> Although XP isn't that bad if you turn some things off and have a firewall.
[07:31] <zenrox> win3.11 = best win os ever
[07:31] <dr_willis> you can enable dma on sata drives cant you?
[07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: It's already on.
[07:31] <zenrox> yep
[07:31] <pax> if the mobo allows you
[07:31] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Just not at a level hdparm can understand.
[07:31] <ricosuave17> i do agree on that statemne
[07:31] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  well hdparm  dosent say its on. :P  heh ok.
[07:32] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  the win3.11
[07:32] <zenrox> lol
[07:32] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  but i dont think the laptop is useing sata :P
[07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: This is what crimsun says, anyway.
[07:32] <reka> skalpel: there's no quicktime port for linux....install w32codecs for totem, or use a media player with it's own codecs if you want .mov support
[07:32] <necrogami> Microsoft GEO .. Best windows os
[07:32] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, imo W2K was their best work.
[07:32] <dr_willis> the hd is showing up as  hda. so that imples its normal ide right?
[07:32] <Gatton> Any of you guys upload your screenshots anywhere besides gnome-look? I am a sucker for purty screen shots ;)
[07:32] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Yep.
[07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: I agree.
[07:32] <concept10> dr_willis, what is the error message?
[07:32] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: But it's been EOLed so we have to move up to XP and turn things off.
[07:32] <concept10> Gatton, lynucs.org
[07:33] <courtknee> hey all
[07:33] <Sammi> XP is about equal to 98 in my opinion, and that's only because it can run newer stuff (whereas 98 rocks but is a little obsolete when it comes to the newer stuff.)
[07:33] <Amaranth> Gatton: http://www.realistanew.com/desktop.png http://www.realistanew.com/desktop2.png
[07:33] <dr_willis> concept10,  well im reistalling 64bit ubuntu on the laptop at the moment - will see it in a min.
[07:33] <skalpel> how can you use quicktime form a webbrowser?
[07:33] <Gatton> concept10, hey thanks. I ued to have that bookmarked and lost it
[07:33] <Amaranth> SquareGuy: btw, what do you think of http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png ?
[07:33] <Gatton> Amaranth, doh! I thought i would be smart and try desktop1.png and no worky ;) thanks
[07:33] <SquareGuy> Amaranth, I like it
[07:33] <vinux> I don't like to run windows because it makes me think of Bill Gates and ofcourse all those awfull times I had with windows hehe
[07:33] <Amaranth> :D
[07:34] <dr_willis> Im checking the forums and aparently 64bit AMd processors/Turions -  can be having some 'issues' that make the system sluggish. i was thinkign it was the dma issue.. but it seems deeper then that.
[07:34] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/icon_example.png <--anyone else have an opinion on the icon?
[07:34] <zenrox> looking now
[07:34] <Amaranth> dr_willis: Sounds like that issue that a newer kernel fixed.
[07:34] <zenrox> nice
[07:34] <zenrox> very nice Amaranth
[07:34] <concept10> Amaranth, do you know anything about GNOME themes?
[07:34] <Gatton> Amaranth, I sene a trend with your backgrounds here. Who is that lady out of curiosity
[07:35] <Amaranth> concept10: somewhat
[07:35] <ricosuave17> its looks nice
[07:35] <courtknee> I have a external HD (USB) that was been formatted for NTFS.  When I plug it into my system should I be able to view it under 'computer' ?  Is there an additional step I need to undergo?  The drive shows up under usb config info screens.
[07:35] <Amaranth> Gatton: cristina scabbia from lacuna coil
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth: turn off the computer?
[07:35] <dr_willis> Amaranth,  cook.. what version # ya refering to by the way? :P
[07:35] <dr_willis> cool : P i mean
[07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: NTFS partitions are read-only
[07:35] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: Err, yes?
[07:35] <Sammi> Amaranth: I like the icon. And the desktops are pretty. :D
[07:35] <hybrid_goth> lucana coil pwns
[07:35] <Amaranth> courtknee: But it should show up.
[07:36] <concept10> Amaranth, I want to change the progress bar.  This guy that made a Thunderbird theme has an excellent OS X style progress bar, I want to rip that out and place it into GNOME.  Dont know where to start
[07:36] <courtknee> Amaranth:  thats cool;  but how do i get that 'read' stage? :D
[07:36] <Gatton> Amaranth, I like it. Reminds me of the Tinker Tool icon on the Mac
[07:36] <hybrid_goth> Amaranth:  you said turn some things off in xp to make it safe i said yea the computer
[07:36] <puff> bob2: Hm, well, konqueror certainly seems a lot snappier.
[07:36] <Amaranth> hybrid_goth: oh, haha
[07:36] <reka> skalpel: installing the mplayer plugin would probably work
[07:36] <puff> Well, enough for tongih.... gotta go get a few drinks in before the bars close.
[07:36] <Amaranth> courtknee: i dunno, it should just work
[07:36] <Amaranth> Gatton: thanks
[07:36] <skalpel> ok, how do i install the mplayer plugin?
[07:36] <reka> skalpel: or you could just run a video player when a .mov file is detected...which is what i do
[07:37] <courtknee> i'll fiddle around with it some more;  its not a desperate need really.  This distro worked 95% out of the box.  Its awesome
[07:37] <Amaranth> concept10: that's low level gtk engine hacking
[07:37] <reka> skalpel: what browser?
[07:37] <skalpel> firfox
[07:37] <concept10> Amaranth, damn! I wish I could just replace the graphic element.
[07:37] <Amaranth> btw, please don't talk about w32codecs here. Just point people to the wiki page.
[07:38] <reka> skalpel: install mozilla-mplayer
[07:39] <poningru> hi I had a couple of questions
[07:39] <reka> Amaranth: noted
[07:39] <reka> skalpel:
[07:39] <reka> !restricted
[07:39] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:39] <poningru> is there a guide to minimizing the space used by gnome
[07:39] <ricosuave17> does anyone here not use gnome
[07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: space?
[07:39] <poningru> as in the screen space
[07:39] <vinux> why use anything else?
[07:39] <Amaranth> ah
[07:39] <zenrox> ricosuave17, i use xfce
[07:39] <poningru> sorry should have been more clear
[07:39] <Amaranth> poningru: get rid of one of the panels
[07:39] <poningru> see I like this config
[07:39] <ricosuave17> i think xfce is nice do u have a screenie
[07:40] <poningru> but I wanna make my panels smaller
[07:40] <vinux> xfce is nice
[07:40] <Amaranth> ah
[07:40] <poningru> as in the height
[07:40] <skalpel> i dont see anything about quicktime on that webpage
[07:40] <zenrox> ricosuave17, hold on ill get one
[07:40] <vinux> ricosuave17, I like xfce too
[07:40] <Amaranth> you want to edit the panel properties then
[07:40] <ricosuave17> ok anyone that has a screenie can i plz see it
[07:40] <Amaranth> poningru: right click on a blank spot on the panel and choose properties
[07:40] <poningru> yeah doesnt allow me to go below 24 px
[07:40] <Amaranth> ah
[07:40] <Amaranth> ok, then you can't
[07:40] <Gatton> poningru, you have better eyes than me then. my gnome panels are pretty darn thin as it is :)
[07:40] <skalpel> reka, what's the command line for installing that?
[07:40] <poningru> hehe
[07:40] <skalpel> oops
[07:40] <kevin06> Does anyone know what size hard drives Ubuntu supports "out of the box?"
[07:41] <Gatton> looks like 23 is the minimum for me too
[07:41] <poningru> Gatton: you know you can make it bigger
[07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: My top panel can go to 23
[07:41] <Amaranth> poningru: But I think it'll only go as small as it's smallest element
[07:41] <poningru> yeah that seems to be the case
[07:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en
[07:41] <poningru> kevin06: it will take all Hard drive sizes
[07:42] <Gatton> poningru, well if nothing else you saved me 2 pixels of screen space and i'm now at 23 ;)
[07:42] <joevandyk> Is there a subversion IRC channel somewhere?
[07:42] <kevin06> poningru: Thank you.
[07:42] <poningru> kevin06: it just needs enough to put the system files
[07:42] <Sammi> It's easier than anything to Google "Xfce."
[07:42] <poningru> but there is no upper limit
[07:42] <Sammi> The websites always have screenshots.
[07:43] <kevin06> Just wanted to make sure before I shell out $$$ for a big drive and have it end up useless.
[07:43] <Gatton> ricosuave17, some customized xfce screens   http://lynucs.org/index.php?p=search&search_string=xfce&search_categ=screen
[07:44] <vinux> I use a 40gig. Well i'm using a 12gig partition for ubuntu now
[07:44] <vinux> oh nvm lol I got just one partition now for ubuntu
[07:45] <ryan_> is there any programs that will play DVD movies if you install them, without any fafing around?
[07:45] <onur> hello i need help on changing my keyboard layout. Cause no matter what i do i cant change it
[07:45] <Gatton> vinux, what OS got paved over?
[07:45] <poningru> onur: whats up?
[07:45] <zenrox> what you think ricosuave17
[07:45] <vinux> Gatton, FreeBSD! I will never even look at that distro again
[07:45] <xkuseme> anybody know what rcS does
[07:46] <poningru> ryan_: what do you mean fafin around?
[07:46] <Gatton> vinux, I have tried a couple of times. Could never get anywhere. I thought it was just me ;)
[07:46] <ryan_> with out any messing around to get it working poningru
[07:46] <onur> poningru, currently i am using a turkish keyboard of my hp nx7010 laptop and i made a fresh install of ubuntu
[07:46] <ryan_> onur, system prefs keybored
[07:46] <onur> poningru, and i set the keyboard layout from the prefers keyboard
[07:46] <poningru> onur: hmm let me see
[07:46] <ricosuave17> they look nice
[07:46] <onur> poningru, to turkish but it is still in english
[07:47] <Sammi> Okay, so about how much faster is XFCE supposedly than GNOME?
[07:47] <vinux> Gatton, well when they say it helps to read the handbook on it they are not kidding. You really need to read it all the way through like 3 times plus spend about 300hours trying to configure crap lol
[07:47] <ryan_> poningru, do you know of any?
[07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  thats a dual monitor set up
[07:47] <onur> poningru, and theres no other layout . i removed the US
[07:47] <ricosuave17> cool. how can i have a virtual desktop?
[07:47] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  it ant a virtual desktop
[07:48] <zenrox> its 2 seprate monitors
[07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean can i do it
[07:48] <vinux> Gatton, what really bugs me about it is they have a PC-BSD version out now. Which is easy to use like ubuntu but still is in beta. But it doesn't work well with FreeBSD
[07:48] <zenrox> if you have a vid card with 2 heads on it
[07:48] <Razul> can you install fluxbox in ubuntu?
[07:48] <ricosuave17> nop
[07:48] <poningru> ryan_: here let me help onur first
[07:48] <ricosuave17> i mean like the one were u have a desktop bigger then ur screen
[07:48] <Razul> oh
[07:48] <poningru> onur: under the pref keyboard
[07:48] <ricosuave17> and u scroll on it
[07:48] <pax> Razul: sure you can.
[07:48] <ryan_> poningru, not a prob mate :)
[07:48] <zenrox> ricosuave17,  i dont know how to do that
[07:48] <onur> poningru,  yeah ?
[07:48] <poningru> onur: go to layout
[07:48] <poningru> and press add
[07:48] <Gatton> vinux, I actually tried to install PC-BSD but it seemed to not like either my wireless keyboard or my KVM or both and I was too lazy to hooked up a wired keyboard and mouse to get it going ;) Maybe some other day
[07:48] <ricosuave17> wiat were is ur pic
[07:49] <Razul> oh ok kewl
[07:49] <Gatton> ubuntu just works
[07:49] <onur> poningru, done!
[07:49] <Gatton> something to be said for that
[07:49] <poningru> if you scroll down there should be a turkish option
[07:49] <poningru> on the side
[07:49] <onur> scroll down ?
[07:49] <onur> by adding ?
[07:49] <poningru> yeah
[07:49] <Gatton> As I get older I find I am less content to edit config files. Granted I've had to do a little of that with Ubuntu but not nearly as much as with past distros with the possible exception of Suse
[07:49] <onur> i have already added
[07:49] <poningru> which one have you added?
[07:49] <poningru> layout I mean
[07:50] <onur> Turkish Turkish Alt-Q Layouy
[07:50] <onur> layout
[07:50] <poningru> hmm and it still types in english?
[07:50] <onur> yes
[07:50] <poningru>
[07:50] <onur> and it is selected as default and i removed all english
[07:51] <poningru> wait
[07:51] <poningru> do you have the turkish locale installed?
[07:51] <poningru> from synaptic
[07:51] <onur> dunno ?
[07:51] <poningru> go into synaptic and install the turkey locale
[07:52] <onur> i am in synaptic
[07:52] <poningru> let me make sure that is availble
[07:52] <onur> how shall i find the turkey locale there
[07:52] <vinux> Gatton, well they are still working on it. But i'm sure they will have it working great in about a year
[07:53] <thoreauputic> language-support-tr  metapackage for Turkish language support
[07:53] <onur> Synaptic  = > Synaptic Package Manager ?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> openoffice.org-l10n-tr - Turkish language package for OpenOffice.org
[07:53] <thoreauputic> language-pack-tr-base - translations for language Turkish
[07:54] <poningru> yeah
[07:54] <poningru> what he said
[07:54] <onur> found it
[07:54] <poningru> onur: that should enable you to input in turkish
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> hey thoreauputic
[07:54] <Dr_Melectaus> How are you :)
[07:54] <onur> now installing
[07:54] <poningru> when you right click on an input area
[07:54] <Gatton> vinux, you're probably right. Afterall nobody though Debian would ever be so easy to install and use eh? ;)
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: OK - you ?
[07:54] <poningru> also that allows your entire desktop to go turkish
[07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Im good thanks
[07:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: dude you changed name
[07:55] <Dr_Melectaus> lol sorry, just hate ryan_
[07:56] <poningru> hehe
[07:56] <poningru> ok so you wanna watch dvds
[07:56] <vinux> Gatton, well the new Suse I would have to say is awsome. 9.3 rocks but I don't like all that paying for it lol. You can get it free but it's not the same.
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> Well its my real name. But its a bit cheesy with the _
[07:56] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poningru
[07:56] <onur> poningru, installation done. now what
[07:56] <onur> still in english
[07:57] <Gatton> vinux, I was able to get Suse Pro 9.3 with my last job. Again I had installation/upgrade issues. It's one of the reasons I mainly use Ubuntu now
[07:57] <Amaranth> Dr_Melectaus: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to restart
[07:57] <Gatton> At some point I will hunker down and try to get Suse 9.3 installed and working. But for now I'm really enjoying Ubuntu
[07:57] <onur> poningru, ok thx
[07:57] <poningru> onur: you have to
[07:57] <poningru> choose at startup
[07:57] <Amaranth> note: this is why you should choose your language right on startup :)
[07:57] <vinux> Gatton, really? Installation and upgrade issues?
[07:57] <poningru> turkish
[07:57] <Gatton> vinux, But I loved 9.2
[07:57] <onur> Gatton, I was using Suse 9.3
[07:57] <Amaranth> onur: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:57] <Amaranth> then log out and back in
[07:58] <onur> Amaranth, instead of reboot ?
[07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: add the backports mirror and then just install libdvdcss2 using your synaptic
[07:58] <Amaranth> onur: yeah
[07:58] <Gatton> vinux, yea. I had to turn ACPI off to get installation going. Then when it asked for the 2nd cd keyboard and mouse were not working. Again I think it has to do with my KVM maybe
[07:58] <onur> ok
[07:58] <poningru> oh
[07:58] <vinux> Gatton, well ofcourse Suse runs slower then ubuntu and I like speed :)
[07:58] <poningru> yeah a logout will do
[07:58] <poningru> hehe
[07:58] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, sorry?
[07:58] <onur> Gatton, and Suse 9.3 crashed my file system after a trial of XEN
[07:58] <Amaranth> onur: in the thing that comes up turn off en_US and turn on what you want (make sure you use the UTF-8 version)
[07:58] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold on let me see
[07:58] <Gatton> vinux, true. And I had some hotplug issues that caused bad slow down and stuttering at times
[07:59] <poningru> !backports
[07:59] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:59] <onur> Amaranth, on my way
[07:59] <vinux> Gatton, yes Suse doesn't have as good support as ubuntu
[07:59] <Gatton> onur, ouch. I hate to hear that. And Xen is one of the main reasons I wanted to try 9.3
[07:59] <poningru> !codecs
[07:59] <ubotu> from memory, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:59] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, is the backports the unoficial repository list
[07:59] <Gatton> vinux, I admit I was surprised by that. I really thought I was gonna have trouble with my external hard drive and usb key. Everything just worked
[07:59] <Amaranth> Gatton: breezy is supposed to be getting some xen love
[07:59] <vinux> Gatton, :)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> poningru: IIRC libdvdcss2 is in hoary-extras
[08:00] <vinux> Amaranth, xen? what's that?
[08:00] <Gatton> Amaranth, That will be cool. I am looking forward to trying it
[08:00] <Amaranth> !xen
[08:00] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Amaranth
[08:00] <Amaranth> err, damn
[08:00] <iceman2k> 64 bit rocks
[08:00] <vinux> lol
[08:00] <vinux> iceman2k, really? Is it fast?
[08:00] <Amaranth> vinux: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[08:00] <Dr_Melectaus> so poningru what do i do O_o
[08:00] <iceman2k> vinux beats my old p4 2.8 all to hell ..
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> i have a p2.8
[08:01] <Dr_Melectaus> p4 2.8**
[08:01] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: ok go here
[08:01] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingMultimediaRepositories
[08:01] <iceman2k> this is only a 2800 xp 64 system ..
[08:01] <onur> Amaranth, theres a quite a list here
[08:01] <Gatton> vinux, Here's some screenshots of Xen in action   http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/screenshots/index.html
[08:01] <vinux> iceman2k, wow i'm getting a 64bit then well maybe in about 6 months
[08:01] <Amaranth> onur: aye, ubuntu supports a lot of languages
[08:01] <onur> Amaranth, many items are preselected starting with_en
[08:01] <poningru> and follow the instructions to add the backports repositories
[08:02] <Amaranth> onur: note: i've never done this before :)
[08:02] <ricosuave17> what is xen
[08:02] <iceman2k> vinux paid 200 for the barebone .. .cpu, case ... and mobo ...
[08:02] <poningru> !xen
[08:02] <onur> Amaranth, no what i mean there is en_AU and en_BW and so on
[08:02] <ubotu> poningru: Wish i knew
[08:02] <iceman2k> soyo dragon gammer case
[08:02] <Amaranth> onur: Do you want english at all?
[08:02] <poningru> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[08:03] <poningru> iceman2k: did you get that?
[08:03] <vinux> wow amazing
[08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> Why does K3b freeze the system when erasing a cd, can't click on anything, can't even move the k3b windows
[08:03] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you there?
[08:03] <vinux> awsome
[08:03] <MrGardenHoseMan> it erases the cd fine though
[08:03] <onur> Amaranth, I want to use my Turkish keyboard thats all
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> yes
[08:03] <iceman2k> Runnung windows 64 right now .. ubuntu is the next install
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: oh!
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: Stop, don't listen to me!
[08:03] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, just going by your instructions just now bud
[08:03] <poningru> ok
[08:03] <onur> Amaranth, so what ?
[08:03] <poningru> let me know if you run into trouble
[08:03] <Amaranth> onur: get out of that, go to System->Preferences->Keyboard
[08:04] <ricosuave17> so xen will let me run windows on linux
[08:04] <poningru> Amaranth: that didnt work
[08:04] <vinux> brb guys
[08:04] <iceman2k> this little AMD beats the heck out of my P4 ...
[08:04] <onur> Amaranth, I have already done that it didnt work, That was my problem
[08:04] <poningru> onur: so you dont want your entire system to be turkish?
[08:04] <iceman2k> and the actual mhz are 1000 less
[08:04] <onur> NO I want to use My Turkish keyboard in this English System THATS ALL
[08:04] <poningru> oh
[08:04] <Amaranth> Didn't work? Does it want more money? Does it sit on IRC all day? Please be more specific.
[08:04] <iceman2k> Amd clocks the mhz at 1800... and it spanks a p4 2.8 ...
[08:05] <poningru> onur then just right click on an input area
[08:05] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k: thats how it is with a p4 to a G5
[08:05] <poningru> and select input method
[08:05] <poningru> now there should be turkish in there somewhere
[08:05] <onur> Amaranth, currently In the preferences Layout it is selected as Turkish
[08:05] <iceman2k> Been looking at a mac ... to play with ..
[08:06] <onur> But i cant type in Turkish
[08:06] <vinux> hehe back on xfce4
[08:06] <Amaranth> onur: turkish is highest in the list?
[08:06] <onur> poningru, there is not
[08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k:  ubuntu is awesome on a mac
[08:06] <Amaranth> being marked default isn't enough
[08:06] <Amaranth> it needs to be first in the list
[08:06] <onur> Amaranth, Turkish is the only item in the list and selected as default
[08:06] <iceman2k> Ubuntu is about the smoothest linux distro i ave seen ..
[08:06] <vinux> iceman2k, same here it's amazing
[08:06] <hybrid_goth> iceman2k:  sooo flesible
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> **flexible
[08:07] <iceman2k> absolutly ...
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> so flexible it is flesible
[08:07] <onur> poningru, what should i do now ?
[08:07] <hybrid_goth> lol :p
[08:07] <iceman2k> got to see if it will resize my partition and install and play nice with the mbr ... with xp 64 bit
[08:08] <poningru> onur: hmm
[08:08] <iceman2k> Only have the xp beta 64 bit ...
[08:08] <poningru> onur: do you have the necessary fonts installed?
[08:08] <crimsun> it resizes ntfs in the installer, yes.
[08:08] <iceman2k> Still a free download ... and it's for sale ..
[08:09] <crimsun> you have to change the partition size in the screen, but all the hard work is done for you.
[08:09] <iceman2k> Xp 64 bit free ... ;)
[08:09] <bob2> you mean "amd64", right?
[08:09] <onur> poningru, i still didnt reboot please note that. And i dont know where to check the fonts ?
[08:09] <iceman2k> yea
[08:09] <bob2> windows nt 4.0 ran on 64-bit machines in 1997 or so
[08:09] <poningru> onur: go to synaptic
[08:09] <iceman2k> bob2 ? nt 4 ran on 64 bit , but did it use the full 64 bit ...
[08:10] <poningru> make sure you have ttf-bitstream-vera
[08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, ive finished what you instructed me to do
[08:10] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: now go into synaptic package manager
[08:10] <Amaranth> haha
[08:10] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:10] <Amaranth> everytime i try to choose turkish keyboard GNOME crashes back down to gdm
[08:10] <Amaranth> breezy is so broken :D
[08:10] <poningru> and install libdvdcss2
[08:10] <bob2> iceman2k: of course
[08:10] <bob2> 64-bit cpus are nothing special
[08:11] <onur> poningru, already installed
[08:11] <bob2> the only reason people think they are is because Alphas and Itanium never hit the mass-market like amd64 has
[08:11] <iceman2k> bob2 from what i understood... when the clawhammer and sledgehammer processors started in beta about 4 years ago, the only os that would work was linux ..
[08:11] <Amaranth> To be fair, the Itanium sucked.
[08:11] <Dr_Melectaus> ok done that poningru
[08:11] <Amaranth> And now it's previous suckage will keep it out of the competition.
[08:11] <bob2> iceman2k: yes, there were many 64-bit cpus before AMD64
[08:11] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: you should be able to play dvds now
[08:12] <Dr_Melectaus> cheers man
[08:12] <onur> poningru, and coming back to me ?
[08:12] <poningru> np
[08:12] <iceman2k> next move will be 128 bit processors ... ;)
[08:12] <bob2> iceman2k: windows has only recently been able to run on AMD64, but it ran on Alpha many years ago
[08:12] <poningru> onur: yeah
[08:12] <poningru> still trying to figure it out
[08:12] <poningru> iceman2k: unlikely
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> Hai, fsckers!
[08:13] <poningru> well it wont happen on x86
[08:13] <Amaranth> bob2: 1996
[08:13] <Computer__Guru> what wont?
[08:13] <iceman2k> 128 bit
[08:13] <onur> poningru, does it matter if i give you my user name and pass so you connect through ssh ?
[08:13] <poningru> no
[08:13] <poningru> do not do that
[08:14] <bob2> 128-bit is more ram than anyone will be able to afford for a long time
[08:14] <poningru> onur: serious breach of security
[08:14] <iceman2k> bob2 would have to agree ...
[08:14] <poningru> onur: try disagree
[08:14] <poningru> err
[08:14] <onur> i know this is a bad idea but it is a freshly installed thing and if  cant solve this issue i will format the disk anyway
[08:14] <poningru> try restarting the computer
[08:14] <iceman2k>  only have 512 from the p4 in the AMD 64 right now... next move is a GIG of ram
[08:15] <poningru> iceman2k: with the amd64 make sure you have powernow activated
[08:15] <onur> so risk of security is better than format. ok i am doing
[08:15] <poningru> or else its gonna run hotter than a tamale
[08:15] <Computer__Guru> i have 384 and rarely if ever hit swap
[08:15] <poningru> onur: true
[08:15] <iceman2k> ABIT K8V Pro mobo ... Nice protection ...
[08:15] <jambon> has anyone gotten enlightenment to work well for them?
[08:16] <iceman2k> god AMD 64 rocks ..
[08:16] <dr_willis> jambon,  not in the last 5+ years :P
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> hey guys is ubuntu a good distro?
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> coz im going to install it
[08:16] <iceman2k> absolutle
[08:16] <dr_willis> Saint-Fran,  yes - its very well done.
[08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, it owns!
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> but yah there are like<PHONE_NUMBER> ditros
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> lol i have no clue
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> which one to pick
[08:16] <poningru> Saint-Fran: this is not the place to ask
[08:16] <bob2> Saint-Fran: so try it and see
[08:16] <poningru> for a unbiased review
[08:16] <Saint-Fran> ahhaaht ahts so true
[08:16] <vinux> Saint-Fran, i've tried alot but ubuntu is the best!
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> yah i just finished dling the iso for ubuntu
[08:17] <poningru> we all use it so we are all going to say ubuntu is good
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> :{
[08:17] <jambon> watcha talkin about willis?
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> err :}
[08:17] <iceman2k> ubuntu is smooth to install, awasom support here, and great hardware support
[08:17] <jambon> not even tried dr17?
[08:17] <poningru> but imho its the best out there for a person starting out with linux
[08:17] <vinux> poningru, hehe yea true
[08:17] <dr_willis> you do need some free unpartioned space for the installer i think. It wont resize an existing partition. (or has it started doing that?)
[08:17] <sono> Hey friends. Hello.  Does anybody know if the ubuntu AMD64 OpenOffice printing problem has been solved?
[08:17] <Saint-Fran> i see cool
[08:17] <poningru> iceman2k: you do have powernow running right?
[08:17] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, are there any other DVD players ?
[08:18] <Saint-Fran> btw wahts powernow?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> other than totem
[08:18] <jambon> so anyone here ever fiddled with dr1?
[08:18] <Gatton> Saint-Fran, I've used a lot of distros and I'm very happy with Ubuntu. Suse Pro is the only thing that comes close and that costs $90 US and this is free
[08:18] <iceman2k> sono ... still need to install ubuntu 64 bit .... thats a issue ...
[08:18] <poningru> hehe Dr_Melectaus totem sucks
[08:18] <poningru> use vlc
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, i know :-\ its poo
[08:18] <Gatton> But don't Version me or anything cuz I'm on the mac while I install Kubuntu on the other machine ;)
[08:18] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: also did you activate dma?
[08:18] <Dr_Melectaus> uhm how do i do that poningru
[08:18] <poningru> ubotu tell Dr_Melectaus about dma
[08:19] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: did you get that?
[08:19] <poningru> it basically makes your dvd run better
[08:19] <jambon> would anyone know what the following error means?
[08:19] <jambon>  error while loading shared libraries: libtag.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:19] <poningru> err dvd drive run better
[08:19] <sono> sorry iceman2k... cause 32 bit Openoffice works neat with cups right?
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> yes poni, doesnt say how to activate it though
[08:19] <poningru> open that link
[08:19] <Dr_Melectaus> or is it at the link
[08:19] <necrogami> i wanna listen to a .pls shoutcast stream on ubuntu how would i go about doing that
[08:19] <poningru> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[08:19] <poningru> yeah
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> hey poningru.. u said something about activating something or else the amd64 will run hot
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> i saw it right when i went in.. what were u talking about
[08:20] <Dr_Melectaus> whats VLC stand for? i cant apt-get vlc
[08:20] <poningru> Saint-Fran: powernow
[08:20] <sono> AMD64 OpenOffice just does'nt works with cups.
[08:20] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: wxvlc
[08:20] <thoreauputic> necrogami: nicest way to listen to shoutcast - install streamtuner
[08:20] <Gatton> VLC is Video Lan. a vide player
[08:20] <tnet03> hai
[08:20] <Saint-Fran> whats powernow do? and whats that
[08:20] <poningru> !powernow
[08:20] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, poningru
[08:20] <bob2> sono: there's a bug report in Bugzilla?
[08:20] <poningru> grr
[08:21] <poningru> Saint-Fran: here let me get you a good link
[08:21] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[08:21] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it slows your cpu down when you're not using it, to save battery
[08:21] <Gatton> Dr_Melactaus, try doing apt-cache search vlc and you should find the full name. Or search with Synaptic
[08:21] <Saint-Fran> i see
[08:21] <sono> btw vlc does not works from the ubuntu64 binaries right? It shoots a segmentation fault error.
[08:21] <Saint-Fran> how do i activate it?
[08:21] <Gatton> Curse this mac version of xchat. No nick completion? argh
[08:21] <thoreauputic> vlc is in the universe repository
[08:22] <onur> poningru, i am back
[08:22] <jambon> Enlightenment anyone? having problems starting apps. Like eclair and engage
[08:22] <vinux> hey windows uses DMA 5 on my other hard drive. Hmm wonder if I can use that on this one?
[08:22] <necrogami> thoreauputic: thanks installing now
[08:22] <poningru> Saint-Fran: just get powernowd from synaptic
[08:22] <poningru> and restart
[08:22] <onur> poningru, at the begining of my login also theres a Turkish option in the language i selected it
[08:22] <poningru> onur: did it work?
[08:22] <poningru> guessing no
[08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: it's setup by default on laptops
[08:23] <onur> poningru, and all the menus and so on become Turkish with correct Turkish chars
[08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: in edit > prefs you can specify a player to use - default is xmms but I use beep-media-player here
[08:23] <onur> poningru, however still cant type in Turkish
[08:23] <poningru> onur: did you try the rightclick thing?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> necrogami: if you want to rip streams with it install streamripper ( they work together)
[08:23] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me
[08:24] <onur> poningru, no the menu names are in turkish but nothing related to turkish
[08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: please don't /msg me
[08:24] <poningru> hmm
[08:24] <Saint-Fran> oh lol
[08:24] <Saint-Fran> sorry
[08:24] <onur> poningru, also i realized that theres no apply in the keyb layout menu
[08:24] <bob2> Saint-Fran: if you have questions about ubuntu, come back once you have it installed
[08:24] <onur> i mean it is trange that you select a keyb layout then you "close" the dialog box
[08:24] <poningru> onur: have you tried both of the turkish keyboard layouts?
[08:25] <poningru> onur: thats how it works
[08:25] <aru> what language do they speak in malaysia?
[08:25] <poningru> malay
[08:25] <[teh] > bob2, how would i make a package of xchat with checkinstall that would overwrite the xchat that ubuntu manages?
[08:25] <onur> poningru, no the other is theorethically very different key placement than my keyboard
[08:25] <craigaa> Howzit all? Can someone help me with some recommendations wrt a small network? I have four workstations, all will be Ubuntu with one dual-booting to Windowze XP, and one server. The server will obviously have to run Samba to provide for the dual-boot workstation, but should I use Samba or NFS for the Linux-to-Linux file serving?
[08:25] <poningru> onur: ic
[08:25] <onur> poningru, it starts with F and mine is Q
[08:25] <bob2> [teh] : you wouldn't, that would be silly
[08:25] <poningru> right
[08:25] <sono> bob2, I am looking for those bug reports.
[08:25] <necrogami> OMFG this stream is Pure Techno Destruction
[08:26] <onur> poningru, you are out of ideas it seems
[08:26] <bob2> [teh] : compile it to /usr/local/ or something
[08:26] <poningru> onur: yeah unfortunately
[08:26] <necrogami> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/listen.pls if anyone wants to listen
[08:26] <[teh] > bob2, i want to do it that way....
[08:26] <thoreauputic> necrogami: did you install streamripper too ? It rocks :)
[08:26] <bob2> [teh] : good luck then
[08:26] <[teh] > i just want to know how ubuntu names its xchat package, so i can use that scheme to apply it to my 2.4.4 package
[08:26] <necrogami> yep
[08:26] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions ? If not i will reinstall ubuntu once more and still cant cope it i have to leave it
[08:27] <poningru> onur: let me try something else
[08:27] <poningru> what is the full name of your keyboard?
[08:27] <necrogami> OMFG @ this stream tho
[08:27] <onur> poningru, my pleasure
[08:27] <Xyc0> Steve Keyboard
[08:27] <onur> poningru, brand name ?
[08:27] <Xyc0> thats his full name
[08:27] <poningru> onur: yah
[08:27] <poningru> err full brand name+model name
[08:28] <onur> poningru, this is a HP compax nx7010 laptop and the keyboard is integrated as you might guess
[08:28] <poningru> oh ic
[08:28] <poningru> hmm let me see
[08:28] <onur> poningru, also i know very well that Suse could type turkish very well on this comp
[08:28] <iceman2k> God, most people i ask, said there was little difference in AMD 64 2800 and a P4 2.8 ... I disagree ...
[08:28] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, im at step 4 for makeing DMA load on startup. It says edit your hdparm.conf. i typed gedit /etc/hdparm.conf and it wont let me edit it
[08:28] <Xyc0> symantics
[08:29] <Gatton> necrogami it must be awfully popular. stream keeps stalling for me
[08:29] <vinux> thoreauputic, hey what's the easy command to just rip a song i'm listening to with streamtuner? or is there an easy command hehe
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:29] <onur> poningru,  HP compaq nx7010 it should be -- correction to above
[08:29] <poningru> onur: yeah I figured
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> thats what i typed poningru
[08:29] <ricosuave17> any guides to customize gnome
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hold sorry
[08:29] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you have streamripper installed you just press the record button
[08:29] <vinux> Dr_Fate, do sudo before gedit
[08:29] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try sudo gedit /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:29] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:29] <poningru> and it will ask for password
[08:30] <poningru> vinux: can you help him out
[08:30] <poningru> I need to help onur
[08:30] <vinux> poningru, sure what does he need?
[08:30] <vinux> hdparm?
[08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, ok what drive is it? /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd?
[08:31] <thoreauputic> vinux: if you want to save bandwidth you can redirect the stream and monitor it from port 8000 - see man streamripper for the options
[08:31] <vinux> Dr_Melectaus, is this for DVDs?
[08:31] <vinux> thoreauputic, cool thanks
[08:32] <[teh] > how do i add an icon to the kde menu?
[08:32] <[teh] > a shortcut rather
[08:32] <Amaranth> [teh] : kmenuedit or smeg
[08:33] <[teh] > thanks
[08:34] <onur> poningru, may be i could supply you a VNC connection , though you dont have the turkish keyboard, i doubt if it could be useful
[08:35] <onur> so silent
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> poningru, the dvd works
[08:35] <Dr_Melectaus> but theres no sound
[08:35] <poningru> we are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed
[08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> roffle poningru
[08:36] <poningru> onur: dont think that will help
[08:36] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: hmm
[08:36] <poningru> so the sound doesnt work?
[08:36] <poningru> onur: I am fresh out of ideas
[08:36] <Dr_Melectaus> not in the new program i downloaded
[08:36] <onur> poningru, you could play with my configuariton
[08:37] <onur> poningru, any last suggestions that where should i take support ?
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> but sound works in totem, but the trackin is screwed in totem. it only thinks the disc is 37 seconds long
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> sound works
[08:37] <onur> or anyone in this channel ?
[08:37] <poningru> onur: I would say try putting it up in the
[08:37] <Dr_Melectaus> just not on this dvd
[08:37] <poningru> ubuntu forums
[08:37] <onur> poningru, i did already
[08:37] <poningru> oh
[08:37] <onur> poningru, it was my first stop
[08:37] <poningru> hmm this is annoying
[08:38] <poningru> I would hate it if my keyboard didnt work
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: are you using totem-xine or the default ( totem-gstreamer) ?
[08:38] <onur> poningru, but my keyboard works, it is ubuntu unable to figure it out
[08:38] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, is that some sort of sound codec ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no - different backends /engines for totem
[08:39] <robotgeek> onur: sorry, i just got in...what kind of problem do u have?
[08:39] <miguel_> has anyone ever had a problem where everytime they logged out or rebooted, none of their desktop settings were saved, despite clicking the 'save settings' box on exit. is it a read/write issue
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting sound in totem, just it only thinks the dvd is 37 seconds long
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: i suggest you install totem-xine - gstreamer still has issues
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> the backend engine-  im not sure
[08:39] <poningru> thoreauputic: he is using vlc right now
[08:39] <onur> robotgeek, thank you, Now in my HP compaq nx7010 laptop i have a Turkish keyboard i want to use but i cant
[08:39] <Dr_Melectaus> ok, do i just apt-get  it thoreauputic ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just try it
[08:40] <thoreauputic> poningru: I thought he was complaining about totem ? *grin*
[08:40] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: have you tried synaptic package manager?
[08:40] <onur> robotgeek, and it is already set in preferences keyboard layout as default  I mean Turkish keyboard , as the only option
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> aye ive done it :)
[08:40] <thoreauputic> k
[08:40] <Dr_Melectaus> im getting it now poningru
[08:41] <poningru> ok cool
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> thor: will this solve the sound issue in VLC ?
[08:41] <ricosuave17> whats a good p2p program besides amule
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: no
[08:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> ok
[08:41] <Dr_Melectaus> lol
[08:41] <robotgeek> onur: i have no experience with foreign keyboards...but try playind with the xmodmap program
[08:41] <onur> robotgeek, and furthermore even the login language Turkish works well, still cant type in Turkish no matter what i do. This is my problem
[08:41] <sono> Ok guys (bob2), OpenOffice printing does not work in Hoary64, as we can officially read @ bug 8663
[08:41] <Sammi> ricosuave17: Try Limewire.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: do you have w32codecs installed?
[08:41] <bob2> awesome
[08:42] <robotgeek> onur: ahh...internationalization, no experince at all..sorry!!
[08:42] <Dr_Melectaus> i believe so thoreauputic
[08:42] <thoreauputic> ok
[08:42] <onur> robotgeek, no problem thanks for trying
[08:42] <sono> I am currently downloading the massive 213 MB of OpenOffice source to recompile... but... I am thinking it twice...
[08:43] <dr_willis> i just use abiword
[08:43] <ricosuave17> is it in apt-get ?
[08:43] <dr_willis> :P
[08:43] <onur> robotgeek, anyone could help me in this channel ?
[08:43] <sono> it is a major package... how could it have a so terrible fault
[08:43] <sono> I did use abiword dr_willis... in fact I vote for it
[08:43] <sono> but...
[08:43] <robotgeek> onur: do have this language-env package installed, it says it's a configuration tool...you might wanna try it out
[08:44] <ricosuave17> limewire is not in apt-get is it?
[08:44] <robotgeek> onur: you best bet would be to show up again later. people do live in different parts of the world
[08:44] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: nope
[08:44] <onur> theres no such package
[08:44] <sono> we must confess to ourselves we end up needing some openoffice for the compatibility with people inside the Matrix (tm) (solely using Microlust products)
[08:44] <robotgeek> !repositories
[08:44] <ubotu> well, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto, or repos
[08:44] <Dr_Fate> vinux, depends
[08:45] <onur> robotgeek,  guide me
[08:45] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[08:45] <robotgeek> onur: go thru that guide, and add the repositories as directed
[08:45] <onur> robotgeek,  on my way
[08:45] <ricosuave17> i added already all the reposterias i knew off
[08:45] <ricosuave17> even some weird ones
[08:45] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: go to the limewire site and install
[08:45] <ricosuave17> ok
[08:46] <vinux> Dr_Fate, are you talking about the DMA thingy?
[08:46] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, well, you shouldn't have anything but ubuntu repositories, backports and extras. marillat and other unofficial sources for debian can trash your ubuntu install
[08:47] <Dr_Melectaus> thoreauputic, i got the w32codecs
[08:48] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: whats the matter it still not playing the sound?
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> nope
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> not even in totem any more
[08:48] <poningru> hmm wierd
[08:48] <Dr_Melectaus> :(
[08:48] <poningru> can you play other sounds?
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> yea
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> mp3's. radio
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> they all work
[08:49] <Dr_Melectaus> .ogg
[08:49] <poningru> hmm
[08:50] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, what's not playing sound?
[08:50] <poningru> his dvd
[08:50] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, totem movie player. and vlc
[08:50] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: try to play an .ogg in vlc
[08:50] <robotgeek> try vlc, that was the only thing which worked for me!
[08:51] <poningru> yeah
[08:51] <Dr_Melectaus> ok poningru
[08:51] <Loki> hey quick question for any of ya lol
[08:51] <jasoncohen> Dr_Melectaus, nothing plays sound in totem or just videos? what about an mp3?
[08:51] <Loki> How do i mount a hard drive. Friend is getting kinda upset and about to blow his lid lol
[08:51] <jasoncohen> are you using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[08:51] <jasoncohen> w32codecs works with the xine engine
[08:51] <Loki> He has a external he is trying to install the ubuntu distro to
[08:52] <ricosuave17> well ill risk it i like to have lots of programs
[08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: try mount /dev/sda1 <mount point>
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, no sound with a .ogg
[08:52] <poningru> Loki: so he wants to install ubuntu to his externel hard drive?
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> im useing totem-xine
[08:52] <Loki> yes
[08:52] <ricosuave17> limewire is loading for like 3 hours now
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> i have the w32codecs
[08:52] <Dr_Melectaus> and i have xine
[08:52] <Loki> mount point being? the drive letter
[08:52] <poningru> Loki: I would say thats a bad idea but its doable
[08:52] <Loki> LOL i know he should do it on his internal hard drive.
[08:52] <robotgeek> Loki: sorry, i misunderstood...i think your process might involve doing an expert install, and loading the usb and scsi modules...not sure
[08:53] <Loki> but *shrugs*
[08:53] <poningru> Loki: what robotgeek said
[08:53] <Dr_Melectaus> jasoncohen, i have xine, and w32codecs
[08:53] <Loki> Ah.
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: hmm - could be good old esd getting in the way as usual - can xmms or beep-media-player play sounds (ogg, mp3) ?
[08:53] <poningru> Loki: what kind of external hard drive is it?
[08:53] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if hardware rendering is enabeld?
[08:53] <Loki> Maxtor
[08:54] <Loki> OneTouch2
[08:54] <poningru> Loki: like usb, firewire, or scsi?
[08:54] <Dr_Melectaus> yes thoreauputic
[08:54] <ricosuave17> cool limewire is the first windows program to look exactly the same in linux finally
[08:54] <Loki> USB
[08:54] <poningru> hmm
[08:54] <EdLin> ricosuave17, that's because it's a Java swing app
[08:54] <jasoncohen> ricosuave17, what about firefox, gaim, thunderbird etc
[08:54] <robotgeek> i have a nice usb external
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Dr_Melectaus: just as an experiment, try " killall esd" then run totem again (you never know)
[08:54] <jasoncohen> they look pretty much the same in windows
[08:54] <Loki> haha. I need to get one
[08:54] <thoreauputic> just guessing here...
[08:55] <Loki> But also what essentially what happens is we can install linux just fine.
[08:55] <Loki> But when we go to load it nothing happens.
[08:55] <Loki> He gets this error
[08:55] <Loki> 1 sec lol. sorry.
[08:55] <poningru> Dr_Melectaus: here lets just try this: logout and log back in
[08:55] <ricosuave17> nop those look horrible in linux
[08:55] <Dr_Melectaus> Ahhh!! works for totem thoreauputic
[08:55] <robotgeek> Loki: that's mostly because the usb modules need to be loaded, and that's only loaded after i boots!
[08:56] <Loki> oh
[08:56] <_icebreaker_> how can i test if graphic acceleration is enabeld
[08:56] <onur> robotgeek,  installed the lanaguage-env
[08:56] <poningru> ricosuave17: firefox looks the same everywhere
[08:56] <Loki> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[08:56] <Loki> /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[08:56] <Loki> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[08:56] <Loki> is the error he is getting
[08:56] <onur> robotgeek, no improvments still
[08:56] <ilba7r> is there a way to customize the display icons in gnome for specific file type say .lyx
[08:56] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my firefox is more functional in linux than windows...i have it maximised without borders...
[08:56] <poningru> Loki: here try this
[08:56] <ricosuave17> how. i use opera
[08:57] <robotgeek> onur: you might also want to try to post on the ubutu forums, where your question is gonna stay.
[08:57] <onur> robotgeek, already done
[08:57] <robotgeek> onur: also try back here later...sorry, i dunno anything about this!
[08:57] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: looks like the dreaded esd struck again (sorry I was disconnected by ISP )
[08:57] <onur> robotgeek, also i noticed a small bug with the Turkish font of Ubuntu, ok thx anyway
[08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> no probs thoreauputic cheers mate
[08:58] <poningru> Loki: try this
[08:58] <poningru> http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm
[08:58] <Loki> Will do
[08:58] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: working now?
[08:58] <Dr_Melectaus> yes in totem :)
[08:58] <thoreauputic_> aha!
[08:58] <robotgeek> Loki: i have an external usb enclosure, and use a normal ide drive in there...works well. it's a 80 gig hdd for less than 50$
[08:59] <poningru> onur: try back when its evening in turkey
[08:59] <Dr_Melectaus> thanks thoreauputic, poningru and jasoncohen
[08:59] <poningru> np
[08:59] <thoreauputic_> Dr_Melectaus: you're welcome :)
[08:59] <Loki> wow. heh he went out and bout a 2 gig external hard drive. so.... lol
[08:59] <Loki> But 1 prop poni
[08:59] <Loki> he doesn't have a floppy drive
[08:59] <ricosuave17> limewire is nice anyother one?
[08:59] <poningru> wtf
[08:59] <Loki> LOL
[08:59] <robotgeek> neither do i have one!
[09:00] <poningru> wait yeah modern laptops make sense
[09:00] <Loki> yes
[09:00] <poningru> no I dont have one either but I just for some reason thought that you were all using desktops
[09:00] <robotgeek> sorry, i meant "i don't have one either"
[09:00] <Loki> heh i am using a desktop
[09:00] <Loki> he's using a laptop
[09:00] <ricosuave17> there is one problem tho when i switch from one window to another limewire takes a while to load
[09:01] <poningru> Loki: I would tell him to install ubuntu in his internal hardrive
[09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: yeah, me too
[09:01] <robotgeek> Loki: though, it's an interesting challenge!
[09:01] <poningru> hehe yeah
[09:01] <Loki> HAHA
[09:01] <Loki> 4 days X_X we have been at it lol
[09:02] <Loki> meep *kicks his IRC client*
[09:02] <robotgeek> though, i think you would need to enable USB boot support in the bios..otherwise, might not be possible
[09:02] <zyth> Is there a way I can remove my NTFS partiton and merge the space into my Linux partition w/o erasing all my data?
[09:03] <Loki> ubuntu is apparently on his internal hard drive
[09:04] <keikoz> zyth i dont think
[09:04] <Loki> Ceneskie says:
[09:04] <Loki> all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell
[09:04] <Loki> lol... If that means anything?
[09:04] <keikoz> (w/o erasing your data i mean)
[09:04] <ricosuave17> i was just talking to a dude and u know what he said about linux the gui looks sick
[09:04] <poningru> zyth: yes
[09:05] <poningru> qtparted
[09:05] <zyth> poningru, how?
[09:05] <zyth> qtparted..? and it'll do it nondestructively?
[09:05] <poningru> yes
[09:05] <poningru> well like all software it has been known to fail
[09:05] <poningru> but it work
[09:05] <poningru> and I have used it
[09:05] <robotgeek> :)
[09:05] <poningru> worked for me everytime
[09:06] <poningru> no data loss here
[09:06] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: it's just a matter of opinion...windows gui sucks when compared to OS X
[09:06] <poningru> zyth: you can get it from synaptic
[09:06] <ricosuave17> not really i do think linux gui is sick it needs intensive care
[09:06] <Loki> okay robotgeek :P got one more question muahaha
[09:06] <Loki> KDE! lol gnome *shudders*
[09:07] <poningru> ricosuave17: how many linux desktops have you tried?
[09:07] <benplaut> i have nightmares about the GUI of WindowMaker
[09:07] <robotgeek> ricosuave17: my gnome desktop looks very nice, thank u very much!
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ricosuave17: no such thing as "a linux GUI" really -it depends entirely which DE or WM is in use
[09:07] <ricosuave17> may i see a screenie
[09:07] <ricosuave17> well i haven found an DE or WM thats nice
[09:07] <Loki> But robot my question is this how do you all i want to know is how to edit line 429 of /sbin/init from the Ubuntu shell
[09:07] <Ycros> I'm happy with ion.... :)~
[09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo gedit /sbin/init
[09:08] <robotgeek> actually a openbox + gnome combination
[09:08] <poningru> or
[09:08] <poningru> Loki: sudo emacs /sbin/init
[09:08] <Loki> Ty sir
[09:08] <ricosuave17> any screnies?