[01:46] <rohit_> Hi everyone.. another newbie issue.. I seem to be stuck on this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1566420
[01:47] <mup> Bug #1566420: lxd doesn't provision instances on first bootstrap in new xenial image <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566420>
[01:47] <rohit_> any trick to get over this issue before it's fixed?
[02:17] <cherylj> rohit_: I'm kinda glad it's not just me that ran into it :)
[02:17] <cherylj> rohit_:  what I did was bootstrapped another lxd controller (just give it a new controller name)
[02:17] <rohit_> trying it now
[02:18] <cherylj> rohit_: you can clean up the original controller in the following hacky way:
[02:18] <cherylj> 1 - get the instance ID / container name.
[02:19] <cherylj> (you can do a juju status -m <first controller name>:admin and see the ID there)
[02:19] <cherylj> 2 - delete the controller using the lxd commands (lxc stop, then lxc delete)
[02:20] <cherylj> 3 - juju kill-controller <first controller name>
[02:21] <rohit_> I actually created a new controller before killing the old one
[02:22] <rohit_> and now all juju commands are failing with "no space left on device"
[02:24] <cherylj> gah, I was running into that on a small instance I had in AWS
[02:25] <cherylj> I had to clean up space in /tmp, then lxc stop / lxc delete
[02:36] <bradm> I'm having a weird error with swift-proxy and the latest next charms as of now - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15752193/.  Anyone seen anything like it before?
[06:51] <freak__> hi everyone
[06:51] <freak__> need help regarding juju....i want to know 2 things
[06:51] <freak__> first where we define the pool of IP's which eventually gets allocated to juju services as public address when we deploy them
[06:51] <freak__>  secondly in my setup when i deployed mysql it got public address as node0.maas and port is allocated to it something like 3306
[06:51] <freak__>  but when i deployed wordpress it again got public address node0.maas
[06:52] <freak__> but no port is allocated to it
[07:35] <jamespage> gnuoy, morning
[07:36] <gnuoy> morning jamespage
[07:36] <gnuoy> jamespage,  got a sec for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301171/ this morning ?
[07:39] <jamespage> gnuoy, lgtm
[07:49] <jamespage> gnuoy, I have one more network space review to stack up - I missed neutron-gateway
[08:14] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok so i can't land https://review.openstack.org/303329 until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303321/ lands
[08:14] <jamespage> as I need nova-cc to stop doing the migrations for neutron so that neutron-api can do them...
[08:15] <jamespage> gnuoy, could you have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303321/ wolsom already +1'ed but needs a full review
[08:15] <gnuoy> ack, yep
[08:25] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'm looking through the queue of features up still - any particular priority from your perspective?
[08:26] <gnuoy> jamespage, nope
[08:27] <jamespage> gnuoy, do you have cycles for https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:network-spaces ?
[08:28] <gnuoy> jamespage, I'm looking at Bug #1518771 , I think we need that fixed asap, particularly given the dpdk work. The soultion I propose is to remove the fstab entry and instead write KVM_HUGEPAGES=1 to /etc/default/qemu-kvm and restart the qemu-kvm service. Does that sound sane ? (I still need to check on systemd support for that approach)
[08:28] <mup> Bug #1518771: nova-compute hugepages breaks the boot process <openstack> <upstart :New> <nova-compute (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed for gnuoy> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518771>
[08:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, I'm not sure exactly what your proposed solution does tbh?
[08:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok just read /dev/default/qemu-kvm
[08:30] <gnuoy> jamespage, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15754379/
[08:31] <gnuoy> thats what the init script runs
[08:31] <jamespage> gnuoy, that looks like a reasonable solution
[08:32] <gnuoy> jamespage, I do have cycles for those review although I don't know ceph at all so usually try and leave ceph reviews to someone with more expertise.
[08:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, ok if you could pickup the neutron-gateway one that would be appreciated...
[08:33] <gnuoy> jamespage, if I was to create a branch with that solution would it be easy for you to test dpdk is still happy?
[08:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, not right now as I gave the dpdk machine back to rbasak
[08:33] <gnuoy> jamespage, ok
[08:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, my only concern would be that ovs might race the qemu-kvm startup on boot, resulting in a non-running ovs with dpdk enabled.
[08:37] <gnuoy> jamespage, the option is to create an upstart script and hook into the /run mounted event eg "start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run"
[08:39] <gnuoy> that might still race though I guess
[08:44] <gnuoy> jamespage, those ceph changes are trivial enough for me to review
[08:44] <jamespage> gnuoy, ta
[08:47] <A-Kaser> Hi
[08:53] <freak__> need help regarding wordpress in juju
[08:53] <freak__> i have deployed mysql and wordpress
[08:54] <freak__> and exposed only wordpress
[08:54] <freak__> here is my juju status http://paste.ubuntu.com/15754539/
[08:54] <freak__> i cannot access wordpress from browser
[08:54] <freak__> and also port is not allocated to wordpress
[08:57] <freak__>
[09:21] <rbasak> jamespage: I've not used it yet, but probably will want it this afternoon or tomorrow.
[09:27] <gnuoy> jamespage, the only solution I can think of is to amend the ovs upstart script to contain similair logic to qemu-kvm to mount hugepages if theres a variable set in /etc/default/openvswitch-switch
[09:30] <jamespage> gnuoy, hmm
[09:30]  * jamespage thinks
[09:32] <gnuoy> jamespage, I've just seen mention that there is hugepage config in /etc/dpdk/dpdk.conf , I assume thats not to do with mounting them in the first place
[09:32]  * gnuoy goes to check
[09:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, that's part of the dpdk package itself...
[09:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, you might not have that installed depending ...
[09:36] <gnuoy> jamespage, right, but I think amending  /dev/default/qemu-kvm covers the non-dpdk use-case. The ovs with dpdk use case may be fixed with /etc/dpdk/dpdk.conf
[09:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, agreed on the non-dpdk use-case
[09:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, tbh I think that most deployments will set hugepages via kernel boot ops
[09:37] <jamespage> gnuoy, at which point systemd mounts them on /dev/hugepages* anyway
[09:37] <gnuoy> jamespage, does upstart ?
[09:47] <jamespage> gnuoy, no
[09:47] <jamespage> gnuoy, but I don't really care about dpdk on anything other than 16.04 tbh
[09:47] <jamespage> gnuoy, am I allows to drop the apache2/keystone check for amulet tests?
[09:48] <jamespage> gnuoy, I just tried to fixup swift for 2.7.0 and both charms fail on that check now...
[09:48] <gnuoy> jamespage, ok, then I propose that I make the change to use /etc/default/qemu-kvm as its better thaan where we are now
[09:48] <gnuoy> jamespage, yes
[09:51] <jamespage> gnuoy, well I fixed them anyway
[10:13] <jamespage> gnuoy, I nacked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299363/ on the basis of our 'MAAS should do this' conversation...
[10:34] <jamespage> gnuoy, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:keystone-apache+status:open both ready to go
[10:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:swift-2.7.0 which are based on those
[10:56] <jamespage> gnuoy, also I think I've introduced a bug with the neutron pullout
[10:56] <jamespage> working that now
[10:56] <gnuoy> omlette eggs something something
[11:04] <jamespage> gnuoy, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304034/
[11:05] <jamespage> fairly minor - the NeutronAPIContext was added conditionally before, but I think its OK to add unconditionally now
[11:25] <jamespage> gnuoy, tbh if that's the only thing I got wrong, then I'm pretty happy :-)
[12:58] <A-Kaser> Hi
[13:01] <marcoceppi> o/
[13:05] <A-Kaser> cory_fu: me
[13:17] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[13:20] <gnuoy> jamespage, got a sec for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304097/ /
[13:20] <gnuoy> ?
[13:21] <jamespage> gnuoy, already on it
[13:21] <gnuoy> \o/ ta
[13:22] <jamespage> gnuoy, do we care about disabling hugepages?
[13:22] <gnuoy> jamespage, it'd be nice I guess, why do you ask?
[13:23] <jamespage> gnuoy, we only write the qemu config when hugepages is enabled...
[13:23] <jamespage> well we might write it under a write_all
[13:23] <jamespage> but..
[13:24] <jamespage> gnuoy, oh wait - there is a write_all at the bootom of config-changed...
[13:24] <jamespage> I'll comment appropriatly
[13:26] <jamespage> gnuoy, two nits only
[13:31] <A-Kaser> cory_fu: https://jujucharms.com/u/frbayart/
[13:32] <gnuoy> jamespage, ta
[13:33] <jamespage> gnuoy, note to self - remember that the git->bzr sync is not that regular...
[13:52] <petevg> Hi, all. I've got another newb question: what's the best practice when it comes to storing passwords and other config data that a charm has generated. Is there a standard place to put stuff?
[13:53] <petevg> I ask because I'm writing a couch charm, and couch actually hashes admin passwords that you drop into its config files.
[13:53] <petevg> ... there isn't a good way to look and see what juju has generated, which makes it hard to login as the couch admin and test to make sure that things work :-)
[13:57] <marcoceppi> petevg: in the MySQL charm we store the root password in someting like /var/lib/mysql/mysql.passwd as 600 root.root
[13:57] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://pythonhosted.org/amulet/
[13:57] <marcoceppi> petevg: it's not ideal, but it the idea that only root can read it and it's in a place that makes sense for the service so the charm hooks can see them
[13:58] <petevg> marcoceppi: that sounds sensible, even if it isn't ideal. :-) I can do a similar thing in /etc/couch. Thank you.
[14:01] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundletester
[14:03] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://hub.docker.com/r/jujusolutions/charmbox/
[14:05] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/developer-getting-started
[14:07] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/authors-charm-store
[14:08] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: http://review.juju.solutions/
[14:09] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/authors-charm-store#recommended-charms
[14:11] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/reference-charm-hooks#stop
[14:15] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/big-data
[14:17] <stub> petevg: Since you probably need the password to hand out to clients, you can also store it on the relation. The PostgreSQL charm stores the replication password in the leadership settings (which is how peer units retrieve it), and stores client passwords on the client relations.
[14:19] <petevg> stub: nice! I will look into that. Thank you.
[14:38] <A-Kaser> cory_fu: https://jujucharms.com/u/tads2015dataart/mesos-slave/trusty/0/
[14:40] <cory_fu> https://code.launchpad.net/~dataart.telco/charms/trusty/mesos-slave/trunk
[14:41] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: https://jujucharms.com/u/dataart.telco/mesos-slave/trusty/
[14:47] <aisrael> marcoceppi: What needs to be installed to get `charm login` and `charm publish`?
[14:50] <rick_h_>  aisrael charm from the devel ppa
[14:51] <aisrael> rick_h_: thanks. I think I've got marco's ppa added and maybe that's screwing me up
[14:53] <aisrael> Hm. Maybe not.
[14:53] <A-Kaser> cory_fu: thx a lot
[14:56] <aisrael> rick_h_: Got it working, thanks!
[15:01] <cory_fu> A-Kaser: No problem.  Glad I could be of help.
[15:05] <jamespage> gnuoy, I think this is nearly ready for landing - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303329/
[15:05] <jamespage> I've submitted a recheck-full
[15:16] <cmagina> cory_fu: when will that hadoop_extra_.... fix land in the charms?
[15:16] <cory_fu> cmagina: I will cut a release when I finish this meeting
[15:18] <cmagina> cory_fu: awesome, thanks much
[15:19] <cory_fu> cmagina: Actually, I'm releasing it now.  6.4.3 should be available in a few seconds
[15:19] <cmagina> cory_fu: cool, i'll get to testing that :)
[15:22] <marcoceppi> aisrael: what does `charm version` say?
[15:28] <aisrael> charm 2:2.1.0-0~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa0
[15:28] <aisrael> charm-tools 2.1.2
[15:29] <marcoceppi> aisrael: huh
[15:29] <marcoceppi> aisrael: there's one more thing to tru
[15:29] <marcoceppi> aisrael: ppa:marcoceppi/xenial-chopper
[15:30] <marcoceppi> aisrael: add that and try again
[15:30]  * aisrael gets to the choppa
[15:32] <marcoceppi> aisrael: there's a 2.1.0-1 which is slightly newer
[15:32] <marcoceppi> aisrael: it's basically latest master
[15:34] <aisrael> marcoceppi: same error. I'll file a bug.
[15:37] <marcoceppi> aisrael: ack, ta, it might be a server side issue
[15:44] <mbruzek> cory_fu: ping
[15:44] <cory_fu> mbruzek: What's up?
[15:46] <mbruzek> cory_fu: getting a charm build error with the basic layer, and I checked there is no basic layer on my local filesystem. http://paste.ubuntu.com/15761546/
[15:47] <cory_fu> mbruzek: Can you link me to your layer's metadata.yaml?
[15:47] <mbruzek> cory_fu: I don't have 22 lines in my metadata.yaml nor do I have an assembled charm with that many lines
[15:48] <mbruzek> https://github.com/mbruzek/layer-k8s/blob/master/metadata.yaml
[15:52] <cory_fu> mbruzek: I just cloned that layer and built it without error
[15:52] <mbruzek> hrmm.
[15:53] <mbruzek> cory_fu: can you pull eddy-master branch and try it again?
[15:54] <mbruzek> charm 2:2.1.0-0~ubuntu16.04.1~ppa0
[15:54] <mbruzek> charm-tools 2.1.2
[15:54] <mbruzek> cory_fu: that is the version of charm tools I am using
[15:54] <cory_fu> mbruzek: Also builds w/o error
[15:54] <cory_fu> Same version.  (I'm building this in charmbox)
[15:55] <cory_fu> charmbox:devel
[15:55] <mbruzek> hrmm
[15:55] <mbruzek> I can reproduce this failure... I don't see a local layer-basic, or basic directory in my layers directory
[15:56] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: hangouts to look?
[15:56] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: rather
[15:56] <cory_fu> mbruzek: Why are you assuming the issue is with the basic layer?  Do you have local copies of docker, flannel, tls, or kubernetes?
[15:56] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: build with -L debug and paste the output
[15:57] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15761546/
[15:58] <cory_fu> It looks like it pulls in flannel and basic from remote, but you could have local versions of the other layers
[15:58] <mbruzek> cory_fu: marcoceppi: That pastebin was with -L DEBUG
[15:58] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: it seems to be failing on layer:docker
[15:58] <marcoceppi> /home/mbruzek/workspace/layers/docker/metadata.yaml
[15:59] <marcoceppi> that layer is b0rk3d
[15:59] <mbruzek> ah there it is!
[15:59] <mbruzek> When I read the output I thought it was in the basic layer, where do you see the docker layer?
[15:59] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: the end of the traceback
[16:00] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: the last three lines
[16:00] <mbruzek> I see
[16:00] <mbruzek> sorry marcoceppi and cory_fu
[16:00] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: file a bug, we should have better error handling
[16:01] <mbruzek> marcoceppi: well it does actually have the file in question there
[16:01] <cory_fu> +1  that error handling sucks and should be improved
[16:01] <mbruzek> I just didn't see it
[16:01] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: yea, but it should just say "There is malformed yaml in FILE"
[16:01] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: that way you don't bleed while looking at output
[16:02] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: 2.1.3 for sure
[16:02] <mbruzek> maybe I can work on this one since I signaled a false alarm
[16:07] <lazyPower> interesting, when the charm layer defines series in metadata, it changes the destination directory to builds/$charm ?
[16:14] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: it should be builds/output
[16:14] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: err
[16:14] <marcoceppi> yes
[16:14] <cory_fu> mbruzek: If you do work on it, make sure you add docstrings.  ;)
[16:14] <lazyPower> interesting... looks like i need to add another volume mount to charmbox then
[16:14] <mbruzek> cory_fu: Oh there will be a plethora of comments, trust me
[16:14] <lazyPower> ta for the info ;)
[16:14] <marcoceppi> lazyPower:  https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/115
[16:15] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: ah, yeah
[16:16] <aisrael> stub: You around?
[16:38] <gnuoy> jamespage, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304097/ has passed a full amulet if you have a sec
[16:44] <jamespage> gnuoy, ditto - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303329/
[16:47] <gnuoy> jamespage, amulet is still running on your mp
[16:51] <jamespage> gnuoy, oh yes - that was just the smoke from my removal of .unit-state.db
[16:53] <jamespage> gnuoy, hugepages: DONE
[16:53] <gnuoy> jamespage, fantastic, thanks
[17:14] <firl> Is it easily possible to do a new install with mitaka and juju?
[17:21] <lazyPower> firl o/
[17:21] <firl> ?
[17:21] <lazyPower> firl i'm not sure what you're asking about "easy to do a new install"
[17:21] <lazyPower> are you asking if you can deploy mitaka with juju?
[17:22] <firl> I haven’t seen any mailings / docs on doing a mitaka install ( which maas image  ) any prebuilt etc
[17:22] <firl> If I should just stick with trusty-mitaka ( if it exists )
[17:22] <lazyPower> ah, the /next branches of the charms target mitaka. and i'm fairly certain those are being landed as stable as we speak
[17:22] <lazyPower> beisner ddellav thedac - am i correct in the above statement?
[17:23] <thedac> lazyPower: they are being tested now but will land in stable in a couple weeks
[17:23] <lazyPower> ah ok, i thought that push was this week. my b.
[17:24] <firl> Gotcha, is there a place to get the latest info on this? ( just this channel in a couple weeks? )
[17:24] <thedac> firl: we will post to the juju mailing list when we release
[17:25] <firl> thedac: thanks! do you know if there will be a sample bundle, or if heat/ceilometer will easily be installed also ?
[17:25] <gnuoy> thedac, beisner would you mind keeping an eye on these https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:enable-xenial-mitaka-amulet and landing them if they pass ?
[17:27] <thedac> firl: The next bundle should already exist. Let me find that for you. I know ceilometer has had some feature split with adoh I am not sure that will be ready.
[17:29] <thedac> firl: https://jujucharms.com/u/openstack-charmers-next/
[17:30] <marcoceppi> can I get a review on https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/975
[17:31] <firl> thedac: perfect, should I be switching to XenialXerus for it, or stay on trusty for a while
[17:32] <thedac> firl: mitaka will be supported on both. So it depends on your taste for being on the latest and greatest
[17:54] <beisner> gnuoy, sure, np
[18:33] <arosales> cherylj: I am not sure if the machines are showing up in juju status
[18:33] <arosales> rohit_: do you see any machines in your 'juju status' output re https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566420
[18:33] <mup> Bug #1566420: lxd doesn't provision instances on first bootstrap in new xenial image <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566420>
[18:34] <cherylj> rohit_, arosales if you do see machines, then I'm willing to bet that it's a dup of bug 1567683
[18:34] <mup> Bug #1567683: Agents stuck in "Waiting for agent initialization to finish" with lxd provider <ci> <lxd> <network> <juju-core:Fix Committed by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1567683>
[18:35] <rohit_> yes ..machines are created..but juju agent doesn't initialize
[18:35] <cherylj> rohit_: can you paste the output of lxc list?
[18:35] <cherylj> I bet it's that bug above ^^
[18:35]  * arosales looks at lp:1567683
[18:37] <rohit_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/C2EsRpP7/
[18:37] <rohit_> yes.. It's identical issue
[18:37] <rohit_> identical to 1567683
[18:37] <cherylj> rohit_: but I don't see a second lxd container for a service you've deployed?
[18:37] <cherylj> (unless you took that snapshot just after bootstrapping, but before deploy)
[18:37] <rohit_> I deleted it .. a sec ago
[18:38] <cherylj> that would explain it
[18:38] <rohit_> I am cleaning up it all before I switch to older version of juju
[18:38] <cherylj> rohit_:  you can hack around it by reconfiguring your lxdbr0 to use <IP_ADDRESS> as the bridge IP.  Should trigger the containers to use <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:38] <cherylj> as their bridge
[18:38] <rohit_> ok
[18:49] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: charmbox:devel doesn't have make installed in it, so make lint fails during reviews
[18:49] <lazyPower> marcoceppi - why isn't setup installing make?
[18:49] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: I don't know, report from c0s
[18:50] <lazyPower> hmm, i suppose thats reason enough to have it in the base image
[18:50] <lazyPower> lemme see how big it bloats it, 1 sec
[18:51] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: ack, ta
[18:53] <c0s> cory_fu: you're right - 'make lint' catches a bunch of the python bugs in the layer's code
[18:53] <c0s> do you think it would be make sense to add 'make lint' as the part of the charm-build?
[18:54] <lazyPower> marcoceppi - no noticeable change, incoming PR to add make
[19:00] <c0s> that pretty much sums it up : https://twitter.com/c0sin/status/719600673466114049
[19:01] <jamespage> thedac, beisner: hey can either of your +2/+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303329/ - its done a full charm-recheck and completes the remove neutronfromnova work
[19:02] <thedac> jamespage: will do


[01:19] <bedros> where can I find download for kubuntu 16.04?
[01:21] <heath_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:50] <bedros> thanks
[08:25] <AppAraat> hello, is this the right place to talk about https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs ?
[08:31] <AppAraat> I want to get Kubuntu Backports, so is it sufficient to add the Kubuntu Updates PPA? Does that include the Kubuntu Backports PPA ?
[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:01] <AppAraat> gm
[09:03] <lordievader> Hey AppAraat
[09:03] <AppAraat> hello :)
[09:06] <AppAraat> http://kde.kpaste.net/5dff099d - hey.. ho.... let's go!
[09:07] <valorie> AppAraat: kubuntu updates is just regular updates
[09:07] <valorie> https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-5-3-and-frameworks-5-18-0-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10/
[09:16] <AppAraat> ah great, so I'm on the right track if I want to get updated backports it seems.
[09:18] <valorie> I use the commandline: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[09:18] <valorie> and then sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:29] <AppAraat> does that include also updating the dot releases? Because according to the PPA wiki:
[09:29] <AppAraat> "Backports of new major versions of Plasma, Frameworks and major KDE apps for Kubuntu which are not yet tested enough to go to Ubuntu Backports."
[09:29] <AppAraat> and then it says in the updates: "Updates for Kubuntu releases which are due to go to Ubuntu Updates. Mostly KDE point releases."
[09:32] <valorie> yes
[09:32] <valorie> not everything that kubuntu packages goes into the main Ubuntu archive
[09:33] <valorie> what does and doesn't, I'm not sure about -- I'm not a packager
[09:35] <AppAraat> ok, but what confuses me is then what the point is of having ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa if ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports already does what ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa does.
[09:53] <valorie> AppAraat: I don't know the answer to that question
[09:53] <valorie> you could ask in #kubuntu-devel, although the devels are not up yet
[09:53] <valorie> or on the mail list
[09:55] <AppAraat> ah ok sure, no problem :)
[10:01] <lordievader> Besides, it is weekend. Activity in #kubuntu-devel is low in the weekends.
[10:02] <valorie> my activity is about to become zero!
[10:02] <valorie> sleepy time
[10:03] <lordievader> valorie: Sleep well.
[10:04] <valorie> thanks!
[10:35] <prakhar> i am facing lot of performance issues with kubuntu install
[10:36] <prakhar> one of the processors is always  100%
[10:37] <prakhar> its even slower than windows.. and if in case i open heavy applications like eclipse IDE with firefox.. its worst
[10:37] <prakhar> can soeone help me out to fix this..
[10:37] <prakhar> i have used linuxmint and fedora earlier on the same machine... none of them had this problem.
[10:38] <prakhar> i am using kubuntu 15.10
[10:39] <prakhar> Let me know if I should provide any more info
[10:51] <prakhar> anyone there ?
[10:53] <lordievader> prakhar: What is taking the cpu hostage?
[10:54] <prakhar> its mostly firefox ... it takes 30% of CPU
[10:54] <prakhar> then a lot of kworker threads
[10:54] <lordievader> prakhar: Could you run 'vmstat 1' for a while and post some of its output?
[10:54] <prakhar> i ocassionaly get system crash popup
[10:54] <lordievader> !paste
[10:55] <prakhar> ok
[11:06] <lordievader> !paste | prakhar
[11:06] <lordievader> Please do paste it there again.
[11:08] <prakhar> lordievader : https://paste.kde.org/pgxqwngrs
[11:09] <lordievader> Quite a bit of io-wait, but not too severe. How old is the drive in the machine?
[11:10] <prakhar> lordievader : around 2 years
[11:10] <lordievader> prakhar: Is the package 'smartmontools' installed?
[11:10] <prakhar> no
[11:10] <prakhar> lordievader : should i install it?
[11:12] <lordievader> Please do, then run 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda' and paste the output.
[11:18] <prakhar> lordievader : https://paste.kde.org/pu5yorkk6
[11:20] <lordievader> prakhar: You need to make a backup now, that disk is toast.
[11:21] <lordievader> 520 reallocated sectors...
[11:22] <lordievader> !pm | prakhar
[11:22] <prakhar> sure
[11:23] <lordievader> prakhar: That value should be 0, a >0 value indicates a dying disk.
[11:23] <prakhar> okey
[11:23] <prakhar> i have it installed besided windows
[11:24] <prakhar> could that be a reason for these sectors
[11:25] <lordievader> No, this is a disk issue. Not a software issue.
[11:25] <lordievader> It can happen anywhere, to any OS.
[11:27] <maxx> hi. when i watch a video or scroll a website in firefox, the screen is tearing heavily. i am using a laptop with an intel graphics card. what can i do to solve this problem?
[11:27] <prakhar> lordievader : i believe i will monitor this reallocation count for some days because if this is increasing continuously then its a problem but if it stays constant then its some inbuilt problem
[11:28] <prakhar> which is not increasing further
[11:28] <prakhar> but anyways.. the original problem of kubuntu being slow
[11:28] <prakhar> while linuxmint and fedora were blazing fast still is intact
[11:28] <lordievader> prakhar: Due to reallocated sectors disks become very slow, this is most likely the root cause of your kubuntu being slow.
[11:29] <prakhar> why were other installations not slow then
[11:29] <prakhar> should i retry installing it
[11:29] <prakhar> may be i have left some additional unused space while installation
[11:30] <lordievader> prakhar: I'd replace the disk, use this one for non-critical stuff.
[11:31] <prakhar> replacing the disk would mean reinstalling everyhing from scratch... i should contact a professinal in that case
[11:32] <lordievader> Installing Kubuntu ain't that hard.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:33] <HKitain_home> Heya. I'm trying to update from vivid to wily, and my do-release-upgrade gives a weird error.
[13:34] <lordievader> HKitain_home: Could you pastebin that error?
[13:35] <HKitain_home> lordievader:  http://pastebin.com/Tm4wh6eT
[13:35] <HKitain_home> sounds like localization troubles to me
[13:36] <lordievader> Indeed, seems like that.
[13:36] <lordievader> You might want to set your locale to en_US temporarily.
[13:37] <HKitain_home> how do i do that again?
[13:38] <lordievader> HKitain_home: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[13:46] <HKitain_home> lordievader: Thank you! Much obliged.
[14:07] <vincent42> hi all, is it me or , when I have several X session and I switch between them, all processes of previous sessions are paused ?
[14:07] <vincent42> for example; I ajhve clementine playing music, it pauses when I switch to another X session
[14:08] <vincent42> or I had steam (for games) downloading, it stopped downloading
[14:08] <vincent42> then resume when I come back
[14:10] <vincent42> apparently I'm not the first one to notice : http://askubuntu.com/questions/641906/how-to-prevent-pausing-unactive-user-session
[15:50] <BluesKaj> vincent42,  are these actually Xsessions or are they activities or virtaul desktops , if so i recommend you use activities if you are running plasma 5
[15:51] <BluesKaj> vincent42, and Xsessions on ubuntu are differnt than those on kde/kubuntu
[16:00] <lordievader> BluesKaj: They are?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> read his post
[16:02] <BluesKaj> url
[16:03] <BluesKaj> dunno anyone who usses xsessions anyway, better of using a container OS like NixOS
[16:03] <BluesKaj> better off
[16:03] <lordievader> Multiuser sessions are usually run as seperate X sessions.
[16:04] <lordievader> vincent42: Anyhow it makes sense that you see a last frame from when you left. It ain't efficient to keep updating a session you are not using.
[16:05] <lordievader> The audio not continueing to play is probably due to pulseaudio. I've seen that behaviour before with Pulseaudio. I have forgotten how to fix it though.
[16:06] <vincent42> BluesKaj: X sessions
[16:07] <vincent42> differnt users
[16:08] <lordievader> vincent42: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162628
[16:08] <vincent42> that's pulseaudio's fault ?
[16:10] <lordievader> The audio not playing in an inactive session, yes.
[16:10] <vincent42> ok so I guess steam got paused because it was somehow connected to pulseaudio
[16:10] <vincent42> even though it wasn't outputting sound at that time
[16:11] <vincent42> sound like a possible explanation
[16:11] <BluesKaj> depends whether you need pulseaudio and the input and output settings that are set there , intel-hda audio doesn't need pulse because their drivers are written to run without it.
[16:12] <lordievader> I don't know about steam. But yes, an audio application gets silenced when the X session is inactive.
[16:12] <vincent42> that'('(s pretty dumb
[16:12] <vincent42> I mean X is about video not audio
[16:13] <vincent42> but OK I see the problem ....
[16:14] <lordievader> Well, it ain't really about X session being active. If you log into a tty the audio should continue.
[16:14] <vincent42> this is even more fun that as far I as know, pure X applications are not paused :)
[16:14] <vincent42> yes ok it's about TTY not X
[16:14] <vincent42> but still TTY are visual outputs
[16:15] <lordievader> In basic form, your user needs to have an active session somewhere for pulseaudio to play audio.
[16:15] <vincent42> but say, a process just doing anything else thatn audio would not be pauised
[16:15] <vincent42> paused
[16:16] <vincent42> it's just a very special case for audio
[16:16] <vincent42> does't feel very consistent
[16:17] <lordievader> I don't think X does any updates to the graphical side of things, but I don't see a reason applications should hang on that.
[16:17] <vincent42> well, they are not blocked on their drawing calls
[16:17] <vincent42> everything is still going on
[16:17] <vincent42>  at least it used to be like this
[16:18] <vincent42> whereas audio is really blocked
[16:49] <dougiel> can someone please help me purge the plex media virus from my kubuntu 14.04 LTS machine - google is lying to me...
[16:49] <dougiel> or every page is wrong.
[17:45] <alexeyyyyyyyy> hi all
[20:52] <dhanraj> hello
[20:52] <dhanraj> help needed
[20:53] <dhanraj> ?
[20:53] <dhanraj> anyone?
[20:57] <mparillo> !ask
[20:57] <mparillo> That said, these channels are generally quiet on weekends.
[21:00] <dhanraj> ohk
[21:00] <dhanraj> configure: error: Could not find or use the Java package/jar batik used by Apache SVG Library (looking for package org.apache.batik.Version)
[21:14] <JunkHunk> is there a way to configure a ps4 turtle beach stealth 400 headset to work in kubuntu?
[23:22] <moonlit1> hello


[16:19] <Mkaysi> Hi, is Ubot4 having scheduled maintenance or something? It seems to be missing from #ubuntu-youth
[16:22] <IdleOne> not sure who takes care of that bot.
[16:55] <tsimpson> jpds: ^
[18:04] <ubot2`> meta_coder called the ops in #ubuntu-java ()


[05:53] <maps> morning
[06:02]  * ball waves
[06:04] <maps> ;]
[06:14] <ball> I should go to bed.
[06:14] <maps> me too;p 0;14
[06:14] <maps> watching tv though
[08:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[15:50]  * brobostigon wonders if google will release and android wear version based on android 6, especially as they have released wear 1.3 based on 5.1.1, so close to android 6 release.
[16:58] <dangoo87> hey there, I'm having issues getting ubuntu to recognise my soundcard - the only device listed is the hdmi monitor speakers, I've tried a few fixes from this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html and linked threads: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383 but so far I'm having no luck, does anyone have any experience of this and how to resolve?
[16:59] <dangoo87> my mobo is the asus z170-a with the onboard sound
[17:22] <directhex> dangoo87: looks like realtek alc892, should be well supported
[17:23] <dangoo87> I've just been speaking on #ubuntu and it appears that I don't have alsamixer installed/working properly.  I've tried to reinstall and followed a few different ways but it's still not working (alsamixer - no such file or directory)
[17:23] <directhex> yeah, those people aren't useful.
[17:24] <directhex> cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:24] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175563/
[17:25] <directhex> hm
[17:26] <directhex> sudo modprobe snd-hda-codec-realtek
[17:26] <directhex> dmesg | tail -10
[17:27] <dangoo87> that last command gave a huge wall of text
[17:27] <dangoo87> want me to pastebinit?
[17:28] <directhex> yes
[17:29] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175607/
[17:29] <directhex> nothing relevant or related
[17:30] <directhex> ok
[17:30] <directhex> my guess here is that it's a new minor minor sub-revision of alc892, which isn't supported by the kernel you're using. you can try a PPA with a bleeding edge kernel
[17:31] <dangoo87> any idea where I can find that information - I'm reasonably familiar with linux but not that familiar to know where to find these (I can copy/paste terminal commands to add ppa's basically :) )
[17:32] <dangoo87> alsamixer is there in the /usr/bin folder (I've just been doing some research), but it won't let me run it.
[17:34] <directhex> it's irrelevant. people who don't understand ubuntu have been leading you on a wild goose chase
[17:34] <directhex> alsa doesn't know your motherboard audio exists. alsamixer won't change that
[17:35] <dangoo87> fair enough, you seem a lot more confident in what you're saying so I'm happy to sack those guys off and stick with you, so far #u-uk seems much more helpful from what i've seen in the last couple of days
[17:35] <directhex> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds for info on downloading mainline kernel builds. you want the absolute latest, which is 4.2-rc7 i think
[17:38] <dangoo87> i'm on 14.04.03
[17:38] <dangoo87> will that matter? should I upgrade to wily?
[17:42] <directhex> hm
[17:42] <directhex> well, a first step, since you're on LTS
[17:42] <directhex> is the HW enablement pack. let me grab you the URL
[17:43] <dangoo87> thanks for this, I understand most of this, but I'm trying to figure out how I would go about updating the kernel/ppa and stuff, and I'm drawing a complete blank
[17:44] <directhex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Desktop
[17:44] <directhex> that'l give you 3.19, which is certainly newer
[17:45] <directhex> not bleeding edge, but newer
[17:46] <dangoo87> i ran (both) the terminal lines in that link, it said they're all the latest version
[17:49] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175768/
[17:49] <dangoo87> (if that helps at all)
[17:51] <dangoo87> is it worth me upgrading to 15.04 directhex ?
[17:51] <directhex> hmmmm
[17:51] <directhex> i think i would, for skylake
[17:52] <dangoo87> do I need to do a backup with clonezilla or anything before I do this, or is it relatively safe to do so without losing everything?
[17:53] <directhex> i didn't think it was worth trying 14.04 when i built my haswell-e rig
[17:53] <directhex> ehm, should be pretty safe
[17:53] <dangoo87> I just went with the LTS
[17:53] <dangoo87> best way is to just get the download from the site and put it on a usb stick?
[17:54] <directhex> mmmmmmmm......... no, you'd want to do the upgrade in-distro. but going direct to 15.04 from 14.04 isn't supported
[17:54] <directhex> the tools will offer 14.10 first
[17:54] <dangoo87> I see, I saw this thread: http://askubuntu.com/questions/618741/update-ubuntu-14-04-to-15-04
[18:02] <dangoo87> directhex, ok i'm going to start the upgrade process now, i may pop back in on another irc handle to seek further advice as necessary - thanks SO much for your help, hopefully the upgrade will go a long way to resolving this issue
[18:02] <directhex> dangoo87: at least being on 15.04 will be a better base for trying a 4.2 kernel
[18:02] <directhex> not sure they work on lts
[18:04] <dangoo87> yeah, that makes sense
[18:06] <daftykins> dangoo87: are you the friend and system owner of the guy that was in yesterday?
[18:06] <dangoo87> yes
[18:06] <dangoo87> technically, i'm the friend, i'm just using his account
[18:07] <dangoo87> he's sat on the bed dreading the inevitable loss of all data and having to start again
[18:07] <daftykins> funny, he said audio was working fine yesterday
[18:07] <dangoo87> we got audio working on the hdmi, but we can't get it working if we plug in the headset + mic and everything
[18:07] <daftykins> oh i thought it was the headphones in the front
[18:09] <dangoo87> wait, should i try it in the back?
[18:09] <daftykins> nah directhex knows his stuff - i'm sure you're on the winning course now :)
[18:10] <dangoo87> ok cool, i'll be on my supermanintights account shortly as it might be best not to mess with this machine while upgrading
[18:15] <Supermanintights> Well it's upgrading, however the internet speed is diabolical - 250kb/s :(
[18:18] <daftykins> kilobits per second? so 30KB/sec? :P
[18:22] <Supermanintights> kB/s
[18:23] <Supermanintights> I think that is kilobytes
[18:23] <Supermanintights> i hope it is
[18:23] <daftykins> rubbish rural connection or are you on a bad mirror?
[18:23] <Supermanintights> both i think
[18:23] <daftykins> ah talktalk broadband too
[18:23] <daftykins> good times
[18:24] <Supermanintights> i think it should download normally around 800-1meg, but this post code can't get superfast, despite the local exchange having it enabled
[18:24] <Supermanintights> my life would be so much easier if i took it home and did it all from there, but I'm not allowed
[18:24] <Supermanintights> fetching file 631/1557 :(
[18:24] <daftykins> =]
[18:25] <Supermanintights> I have to do this one more time afterwards as well, to go to 15.04
[18:25] <daftykins> i'd have totally nuked it.
[18:25] <Supermanintights> he spent all night and morning downloading games, I'm not allowed to nuke it
[18:26] <daftykins> right but they live on the 1TB right?
[18:26] <daftykins> so you only format / during the install and bam, they're all still there
[18:26] <Supermanintights> Never, ever allow anyone you know to know that you're technically gifted. Worst mistake ever
[18:26] <daftykins> :D
[18:26] <Supermanintights> I actually think he fucked that up, and everything is on the SSD
[18:27] <daftykins> family friendly on the language
[18:27] <daftykins> well that's still a move away
[18:27] <Supermanintights> ah my bad, sorry
[18:27] <daftykins> and too late for that, been helping friends for over 20 years :D
[18:27] <daftykins> one friends house, damn his little brother managed to trash and fill systems with porn on a monthly basis
[18:28] <Supermanintights> that's always fun
[18:30] <Supermanintights> it appears that although he didn't know it at the time (so fault lies with him), that he couldn't use his 1tb as all the ownership and permissions were set for the root account, and not for the 'daniel' account, I've just had to set that up for him
[18:31] <daftykins> yeah that would've been another step probably
[18:31] <daftykins> i think i was at my help limit for the day already by then
[18:32] <Supermanintights> at this stage, it's probably quicker to do the two upgrades than any moving and reinstall of the system.  plus it's experience for him, I'm going to stay here to do the first one with him, the second one we'll do remotely
[18:32] <daftykins> yeah there's always multiplayer screen sessions for fun
[18:33] <Supermanintights> haha, that's all good, it's good experience for me (and him when he pays attention), you were a major help especially with the gfx card. his dota on max settings looked lovely
[18:33] <Supermanintights> what is the best way for me to remote help him from windows to ubuntu?
[18:33] <Supermanintights> teamviewer?
[18:33] <daftykins> SSH :P
[18:33] <Supermanintights> would I get to see his screen that way?
[18:33] <daftykins> nope
[18:33] <daftykins> TV is alright
[18:34] <Supermanintights> then I can see that increasing my headache ten fold :P
[18:34] <daftykins> hmm?
[18:34] <daftykins> don't use it yourself then i take it? (i don't)
[18:34] <Supermanintights> I do a bit, for my website, but my knowledge is flimsy
[18:35] <Supermanintights> too long of a period between using means that I forget the vast majority of stuff I learn, and it's a slow process
[18:35] <daftykins> best way is to write notes for yourself on how to do things
[18:35] <daftykins> then rewrite them when redoing the system for a newer LTS
[18:36] <Supermanintights> yeah, I've recently got into kali so I'm doing that with most things going forward
[18:36] <daftykins> oh dear, the budding "hackers" choice
[18:36] <Supermanintights> I love the idea of pen testing (white hat), it's really fascinating to me
[18:37] <daftykins> ;]
[18:37] <daftykins> they're moving to debian so i hear
[18:37] <zleap> Supermanintights: maybe Ashley Madison should have paid attention to that too
[18:37] <zleap> and others
[18:37] <Supermanintights> I've recently got a job working in IT support (start tomorrow), and I've already said that my long term focus is on eventually IT security
[18:37] <Supermanintights> haha zleap :)
[18:38] <Supermanintights> yeah kali 2.0 has moved to debian, quite a big change from the old kali
[18:40] <daftykins> right, best do a shop run before i get too lazy
[19:21] <diddledan_> evenin
[19:21] <shauno> wibble.
[19:22] <diddledan_> wobble
[19:22] <daftykins> ah diddledan 2.0
[19:25] <diddledan_> 2.1
[19:25] <diddledan_> I'm the bugfixed version of 2.0
[19:26] <daftykins> ah har, and you found out where you're coming from too!
[19:26] <diddledan_> yeah I think it was my tablott
[19:28] <diddledan_> (spelign was correct!)
[19:28] <daftykins> :D
[19:33] <diddledan_> o_O why is googley chrome giving me weather info for unterwossen?
[19:34] <daftykins> storms in your unterhosen?
[19:38] <MartijnV1S> diddledan_: maybe it thinks you're unter wasser?
[20:02]  * diddledan_ listening to linux-action-show from today - tar-jizz
[20:18] <foobarry> hello
[20:18] <foobarry> what does slack do that irc doesn't?
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> charge?
[20:19] <diddledan_> lol
[20:19] <diddledan_> yeah I don't like this movement to slack
[20:19] <diddledan_> wordpress development has all moved to slack
[20:20] <foobarry> evernote is chewing up notes
[20:20] <foobarry> it dosn't work properly
[20:20] <foobarry> i've seen notes disppear before my eyes
[20:20]  * zmoylan-pi laments the fantastic memo app on palm os
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> the one on symbian didn't have a search for years, the one on iphone kept corrupting on me
[20:22] <daftykins> fruity tech!
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> the sharp zaurus didn't have one till i reconfigured contacts :-)
[20:23] <diddledan_> daftykins: wanna get fruity?
[20:24]  * diddledan_ proposes wet teeshirt competition
[20:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zvkt8o5ilfts9q1/IMG_20150823_195545.jpg?dl=0
[20:24] <daftykins> i already am, with Bishop's Finger
[20:24] <diddledan_> omg
[20:25] <diddledan_> ooh and an old peculier
[20:25] <diddledan_> you're having a threesome!
[20:25] <daftykins> yep! £6 for 3
[20:25] <Supermanintights> Hey guys, how's it going?
[20:26] <diddledan_> Supermanintights: my undearwear are on the outside :-(
[20:26] <daftykins> about par for the sunday night i think
[20:26] <diddledan_> lol
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> and i really miss been able to beam notes with palmos
[20:26] <Supermanintights> :)
[20:26] <Supermanintights> underwear on the outside is the best, and really, only way to wear it
[20:26] <diddledan_> :-)
[20:27] <diddledan_> I prefer stockings tho. makes the supersuit more .... fun
[20:27] <Supermanintights> if my new employers didn't have obsolete and frankly, medieval views on fashion and apparel I would wear it that way to work
[20:27] <diddledan_> really I should be beardy supergirl
[20:28] <Supermanintights> speaking of which, the new supergirl show look fun
[20:28] <diddledan_> it does!
[20:28] <diddledan_> I'm looking forward to it
[20:28] <daftykins> the new thing with Sir Patrick Stewart just aired in the US apparently
[20:28] <Supermanintights> the pilot, that I obviously haven't seen as that could be considered illegal, was really good
[20:28] <daftykins> that looked kinda fun to see ol' baldy again
[20:28] <diddledan_> daftykins: I couldn't work out whether it was a fake news show or he actually is a cable news anchor
[20:29] <Supermanintights> although it needs to cut down on certain unnecessary propaganda
[20:29] <Supermanintights> I'm ordering a takeaway to help me get through this hell of fixing another man's computer.  Should I get a burger to go with my pizza, or some chips and scampi/nuggets?
[20:30] <diddledan_> chips!
[20:30] <Supermanintights> chips will come with both the burger and the scampi/nuggets
[20:31] <Supermanintights> I think the nuggets, let's do this.
[20:35] <daftykins> i'm from a land with no takeaway, so i'd enjoy a subway, a mcdonalds, burger king and a KFC please
[20:35] <diddledan_> daftykins: do they do flights to the far isles on a sunday night?
[20:35] <daftykins> mmm, yep
[20:35] <daftykins> last one around 8pm ish i suspect
[20:36] <diddledan_> it's 21:35
[20:36] <diddledan_> methinks you're out of luck
[20:36] <daftykins> Jersey has a mcdonalds and a KFC so i understand
[20:36] <diddledan_> I bet they rub your noses in that fact
[20:37] <diddledan_> I hear sark has a tractor, too!
[20:37] <daftykins> ah no 4:35pm was the last flight
[20:37] <daftykins> from Manchester no less
[20:38] <daftykins> damn Bostonians are beating Kansas City at that thar baseball
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> of course if it's windy enough you can open an umbrella outside and be blown to the mainland :-)
[20:38] <daftykins> which is exceedingly rude
[20:39] <daftykins> MartijnV1S: that's true
[20:39] <daftykins> oops that was a tab complete fail to rival them all
[20:40] <diddledan_> tabcomplete fail to such an extent that even the first character was wrong
[20:40] <daftykins> yep!
[20:40] <Supermanintights> ok, so the update to 15.04 didn't bring extra sound devices in the sound box, i'm going to try the very latest kernel, does anyone know how to do that?
[20:41] <daftykins> in my defense i have pizza and beer in hand
[20:41] <diddledan_> only 20 orange boxes in the wild?
[20:41] <diddledan_> (ubuntu orange boxes, that is)
[20:41] <Supermanintights> directhex did suggest that earlier
[20:41] <daftykins> !mainline | Supermanintights
[20:41] <lubotu3`> Supermanintights: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[20:41] <daftykins> grab the newest amd64 .deb you can find
[20:41] <Supermanintights> lubotu is super awesome
[20:41] <Supermanintights> must make everyone's life so much easier
[20:41] <diddledan_> !isitoutyet
[20:41] <lubotu3`> Error: unresolvable <alias> to isitout-#ubuntu-release-party
[20:42] <diddledan_> o_O
[20:42] <diddledan_> someone broke it
[20:43] <Supermanintights> according to: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html - this 4.2.0-5.5	Ubuntu-4.2.0-5.5	4.2.0-rc7 is what i want
[20:43] <Supermanintights> but I'm not sure how to get it, am I missing a crucial detail?
[20:44] <daftykins> i don't know what your link is
[20:44] <Supermanintights> my link gives the list of mainline kernels, i'm currently scouring FAQ to see if I can figure this out
[20:45] <daftykins> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2-rc7-unstable/
[20:45] <daftykins> from my link, or rather lubotus
[20:45] <daftykins> so grab the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.2-rc7-unstable/linux-image-4.2.0-040200rc7-generic_4.2.0-040200rc7.201508162030_amd64.deb
[20:46] <Supermanintights> huh, i'm obviously going daft after 15+ hours of working on this, thanks bud
[20:47] <daftykins> then sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[20:47] <Supermanintights> so save file, rather than opening with ubuntu software center?
[20:47] <Supermanintights> cool
[20:48] <daftykins> yip
[21:03] <Supermanintights> we now have a blank screen with a single flashing cursor after a reboot
[21:03] <Supermanintights> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/11937949_10156059239885195_1254911374_n.jpg?oh=4abfcaa331e0db3f11400858ab22b60c&oe=55DBC933
[21:03] <Supermanintights> is that normal?
[21:06] <daftykins> wow i've seen better snaps from VHS
[21:06] <daftykins> i suspect your nvidia module didn't generate properly for the new kernel
[21:06] <Supermanintights> in my defence, that's his photo, not mine
[21:06] <Supermanintights> i tested, and we can get to TTY1
[21:07] <daftykins> well you can hold left shift as the system is about to boot from disk and pick an older kernel
[21:07] <daftykins> to boot up normally
[21:07] <Supermanintights> is there no way of getting this kernel to work then?
[21:08] <Supermanintights> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/11937949_10156059255780195_1156126210_n.jpg?oh=0cda13048b5d7c213a847abf0adb02c2&oe=55DCE3BA
[21:08] <Supermanintights> that might be useful info
[21:08] <daftykins> one step at a time
[21:08] <Supermanintights> ok cool
[21:08] <daftykins> doesn't look useful to me
[21:09] <Supermanintights> so left shift, recovery mode
[21:09] <Supermanintights> i'm on it
[21:11] <daftykins> i'd have thought lightdm would've tried to start at all
[21:13] <Supermanintights> apologies on the delay, I'm being informed that he can't get anything to happen with left shift, spamming, holding, everything - it goes back to the flashing screen
[21:13] <daftykins> too late on it / it's a USB keyboard and isn't configured right
[21:13] <daftykins> escape might also work, dunno
[21:14] <Supermanintights> i'm telling him now, sorry about this
[21:16] <Supermanintights> somehow, he's landed here: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t34.0-12/11920364_10156059287195195_600561285_n.jpg?oh=914b208da8cdfda4972736c003147d2f&oe=55DCF7A5
[21:16] <daftykins> mmm nope power off time
[21:19] <Supermanintights> ok, powered off. now what? or is that advice to me to just walk away and pretend the computer doesn't exist :P
[21:20] <daftykins> is your pal trying to get GRUB by gingerly pressing left shift like one would to enter BIOS, or holding it down? 'cause holding for a sec after the POST logo, if one is even seen on those new platforms, might be the ticket
[21:20] <daftykins> alternatively it might need that kernel removed from live session
[21:20] <Supermanintights> he's apparently 'tried the lot' to get to recovery mode
[21:20] <Supermanintights> I believe he's held it down from the moment he's pressed reset
[21:21] <Supermanintights> if it's live session then that's it for the night as he doesn't have that
[21:21] <daftykins> probably a USB legacy support ption in the BIOS influencing that, but i think that's going to be too much of a challenge
[21:21] <daftykins> yeah, 10pm on a sunday night - not ideal problem solving time
[21:21] <Supermanintights> I feel bad because I bigged up linux and he's had nothing but problems, so I feel it's my responsibility
[21:21] <daftykins> i think the whole endeavour of desiring Linux with bleeding edge hardware is a bit over optimistic to begin with
[21:22] <daftykins> ah so it was you!
[21:22] <Supermanintights> I've explained similar to him, in that the latest hardware might not yet be supported, but if he goes Windows, he won't want to restart
[21:22] <Supermanintights> well, he did say he wanted linux (doesn't want to pay £70 for windows), and I have bigged it up for a while
[21:22] <Supermanintights> I'd say 90:10 his fault
[21:23] <Supermanintights> I'm just the poor IT guy
[21:23] <daftykins> :>
[21:23] <daftykins> if gaming is a top item on the list, sure it's getting better... but damn.
[21:23] <Supermanintights> gaming, streaming, video recording
[21:24] <Supermanintights> it was also useful for me to see how it would work on a top range pc, and if it could work on my laptop well as I want to migrate this one over soon
[21:26] <daftykins> if you care about battery life, that might be the first to go
[21:27] <Supermanintights> I thought there's normally good linux support for battery life?
[21:28] <Supermanintights> tbh, I'm just more annoyed at the >10 minute boot times, for what should be a very strong laptop
[21:32] <daftykins> newp
[21:32] <daftykins> greater than 10 minute boot? wat?
[21:32] <daftykins> with what OS o0
[21:33] <Supermanintights> 8.1
[21:33] <Supermanintights> I get to windows in about 1-2 minutes, but by the time I can actually use it, it's more than 10 minutes
[21:33] <Supermanintights> if there's some form of update, then I genuinely look for a tv show episode to watch while I wait
[21:33] <daftykins> sounds like a bad install
[21:34] <daftykins> but then 8 needs firing out of a cannon into the sun
[21:34] <Supermanintights> I think it's just long past format date, and me very rarely (once a month maybe?) turning it off/restarting has just ruined the machine
[21:35] <daftykins> well i hope you reboot and patch more at your job :P
[21:35] <Supermanintights> haha yeah
[21:35] <Supermanintights> I needed it running as I worked with people on different time zones and needed the messages as they happened back in an old job
[21:36] <Supermanintights> but now I think the fan is broke, my gfx card has gone from running games at high quality effortlessly to struggling on the lowest quality, and it's decidedly worse than when I bought it!
[21:37] <Supermanintights> I just need to save some pennies in order to buy this: http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Leviathan-2.html
[21:38] <daftykins> that's a really silly spec, as in pants-on-head retarded
[21:39] <Supermanintights> haha i know right!
[21:39] <daftykins> sounds like you need to take that thing apart and clean it up
[21:39] <daftykins> re-do the thermal paste maybe
[21:39] <Supermanintights> not the thermal paste, but took it apart, carefully cleaned everything
[21:40] <Supermanintights> I do still have that pc world whatever happens thing covering it, so once I can get my macbook pro (not mine, gifted to me from a friend) repaired so I have some thing in the mean time, I'll send it off again
[21:40] <Supermanintights> hopefully that gets it repaired or replaced for a new one
[21:44] <daftykins> someone has a lot of toys
[21:48] <Supermanintights> haha, just picked up over time or people have old ones that they hand to me
[22:01] <diddledan_> yawn
[22:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:07]  * zmoylan-pi goes for coffee and a biccie...
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> stand back... it's a monday...
[23:01] <popey> ooh!
[23:12] <daftykins> noooo


[06:10] <supremekai> Hey guys, I have 4 GB of RAM on ubuntu 20.04 - what would be the recommended swap memory size for 4 GB of RAM? 8 GB?
[08:42] <konstruktoid> well, do you need swap?
[09:07] <deadrom> Greetings.
[09:08] <deadrom> can someone recommend a tool to monitor daily bandwidth usage per tool? I need to see how much traffic daily apt updates cause on my specific package collection per day/per month.
[09:09] <deadrom> apt announces how much data it will download, is that logged possibly? way easier.
[11:44] <rbasak> deadrom: for an estimate you might look at the size of /var/cache/apt/archives/ before and after every apt run. It's not perfect but it might be enough?
[13:28] <lucasmoura> Hi rbasak, the next launch of UA team will happen in the middle of July. This is an important release since it introduces important features for the Jammy point release while also making a service non-beta. We would need to have it released in the beginning of August. We just want to double check if you will have the time to review it in July
[14:44] <rbasak> lucasmoura: thanks for the warning. I'll set some time aside for it. How big is the diff?
[14:45] <lucasmoura> rbasak, It will be a large diff, but the bulk of the work is just renaming service names and some commands
[14:51] <rbasak> OK
[17:48] <SJrX> Where does Ubuntu Server 22.04 store the network configuration, this guide (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration) says /etc/netplan/99_config.yaml. I only have an /etc/netplan/98-network.yaml and it says it's an auto generated file and not to edit. I grepped for a value in all of /etc/ but I can't see where it is coming from.
[17:49] <SJrX> This is running on a Raspberry Pi, so I'm not sure what "instance reboot" means here.
[17:56] <sarnold> SJrX: was your 98-network.yaml generated from a cloud-init userdata?
[17:57] <SJrX> sarnold no idea, I mean I just installed Ubuntu 21.04 a few months ago and upgraded twice. That might be something particular that the RPI installer uses. Not sure where I would check.
[17:59] <blackboxsw> SJrX: typically cloud-init only automatically generates: /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml. You could double check whether cloud-init augmented network data files with `sudo cloud-init query userdata` on the command line you'd probably see a write_files: config if that were the case or some sort of runcmd: calling a script that tries to set that up.
[18:00] <SJrX> cloud-init command not found, I'm going to assume if changes survive a reboot I can ignore it.
[18:01] <sarnold> SJrX: oh, heh, my rpi has an /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml. I wonder what generated yours then :(
[18:01] <sarnold> ah, as blackboxsw said :)
[18:05] <blackboxsw> SJrX: ok cloud-init not in your system  environment which means your image is not derived from typical supported upstream ubuntu-server cloudimages.
[18:08] <SJrX> weird.
[18:09] <blackboxsw> I must admit I haven't played with Raspberry Pi imaging myself. From some tutorials I've seen it looked like we recommend using the rpi-imager and selecting the Ubuntu flavor server flavor image and then installing apt install <your_desired_desktop>. That said it looks like there are choices to install a RPI desktop image directly, which may come with some other special sauce for the auto-generated network file you are referencing
[18:10] <blackboxsw> I presume if you installed using a Ubuntu server image as your imaging choice cloud-init should be in there by default. But, I'm out of my depth on RPI image constructs
[18:10] <blackboxsw> I was reading through https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi#1-overview
[18:11] <SJrX> blackboxsw it was like 10 months ago and I don't remember, but thanks for your help. It isn't the most important thing for me to figure out, as they are all installed now, and now that I've gotten them upgraded to 22.04, not somethning I need to worry about for 2 or 4 years :)
[18:11] <blackboxsw> heh.
[18:15] <sarnold> hehe :) my own rpi installation experience was also N months back, I've forgotten basically the entire experience, except the part where I was sticking the written sd card between the card slot and the case, rather than into the case
[18:15] <sarnold> s/into the case/into the card slot/ sheesh. I make the mistake even in writing!
[18:18] <SJrX> I've been working on setting up a k8s cluster with a bunch of RPIs so I just have everything done via ansible at this point but am now fixing networking. Now that it's in ansible I'll never remember how any of this stuff works :(
[18:22] <sarnold> hah, yeah.. simplify some things, complicate others..
[18:28] <feurig> SJrX: either rename the 98-network.yaml or ignore the warning. You may also find your life easier if you render with networkd and dump NetworkManager.
[18:30] <feurig> netplan is weird but it works once you get used to it.
[18:30] <feurig> and dont forget to netplan apply when your done :)
[18:32] <SJrX> Yeah I just ignored the warning, and got the file into ansible and reboot on change. I wonder how I will fix it one day when I break everything :)
[19:15] <feurig> I havent run up ubuntu on a pi yet (Ive stuck to the berrian). Ubuntu is on just about everything else though. I plan to rebuild my pi-vt220 project in the next week or two was planning to use ubuntu.
[19:57] <ahasenack> is there a single command to download all binary debs from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sssd/2.2.3-3ubuntu0.4 ?
[19:58] <sarnold> I've not tried but pull-lp-debs might do the trick
[19:58] <ahasenack> `dget -a <dsc-file>` didn't do it
[20:02] <ahasenack> `pull-lp-debs sssd focal 2.2.3-3ubuntu0.4` seems to work, thanks
[20:05] <sarnold> woot :)
[20:26] <waveform> SJrX, on the pi *server* images the initial network configuration is found in "network-config" on the boot partition; this is then converted by cloud-init to /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml (after the first boot, the network-config file on the boot partition is ignored; just edit the /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml from then on)
[20:27] <waveform> SJrX, the pi *desktop* images are quite different and don't have netplan or cloud-init; given the existence of /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml on your image though I suspect we're dealing with one of the server images
[20:32] <sarnold> waveform: SJrX just had /etc/netplan/98-network.yaml  -- my pi has the 50-cloud-init.yaml
[20:32] <SJrX> waveform, I don't have /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yml
[20:32] <waveform> SJrX, sorry -- getting mixed up with people in the backscroll
[20:41] <waveform> SJrX, assuming your original image was a server based image and netplan is in control of things (which I'm not entirely sure about given the lack of 50-cloud-init.yaml) the netplan configuration is the amalgamation of /etc/netplan/*.yaml; if 98-network.yaml is the only thing in there then that's the network configuration. You should also be able to run "netplan get" to dump the (amalgamated) yaml of the current configuration
[20:41] <SJrX> Thanks


[19:52] <cqfd93> godbyk: we just started proofreading the French translation
[19:56] <godbyk> cqfd93: You translators are so fast nowadays!
[19:56] <godbyk> cqfd93: The Slovenian translators are currently proofreading as well.
[20:02] <cqfd93> :-)
[20:02] <cqfd93> Currently, we're just fixing misspellings and typos
[20:02] <cqfd93> no spaces problems, yet!
[20:03] <godbyk> Excellent!
[20:04] <godbyk> Are you still inserting the nbsp and nnbsp yourself are did you decide do let LaTeX do it?
[20:07] <cqfd93> There are [nbsp], ~, \, and maybe still some [nnbsp] but this time, I'll let LaTex take care of the spaces
[20:07] <cqfd93> it will have to ignore what translators used :-)
[20:08] <godbyk> I can probably convince LaTeX to ignore those. :)
[20:08] <cqfd93> ;-)
[20:09] <cqfd93> I asked the proofreaders to finish proofreading by Monday May 28
[20:10] <cqfd93> asked them to ignore any spaces problem
[20:11] <cqfd93> Yesterday, CarstenG helped me fix all the compilation errors I was getting when making the French manual
[20:25] <godbyk> Cool.
[20:25] <godbyk> It sounds like you're making quick work of it.
[20:31] <cqfd93> Yes!
[20:31] <cqfd93> Your "build" script also helped
[20:32] <godbyk> Ah, I'm glad.
[20:32] <godbyk> Some day I'd like to get back to improving that script so it can find more types of bugs.
[20:32] <cqfd93> Now I'm waiting for a raring version of Carsten's script (he said he would update it on next week)
[20:34] <cqfd93> With your script, I ony get 1 warning:
[20:34] <cqfd93> Warning: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/raring/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1061/+translate
[20:34] <cqfd93>          https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/raring/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1106/+translate
[20:34] <cqfd93>          Index entry beginning page range has no matching end page number.
[20:34] <cqfd93> Both strings contain |( or |)
[20:35] <cqfd93> I thought these had been removed from all translatable strings
[20:37] <godbyk> The build script doesn't know about the new index commands, so it may be misreporting bugs there.
[20:37] <godbyk> I'll have to look into it.
[20:38] <godbyk> I know that Carsten also encountered a problem with the new index commands in one or two cases.
[20:38] <godbyk> I can't recall if he found a workaround or if it just switched the problematic cases with \index{blah|(}.
[20:41] <cqfd93> There's only 1 string with each of these commands, I wonder if they are really needed, or should be converted to the new syntax
[20:49] <godbyk> Does that string have an @ in it?
[20:49] <godbyk> I want to say there was some index entry where we originally switched to the new commands and had to switch it back because it wasn't working properly and we couldn't sort out why.
[20:53] <cqfd93> Yes :   CD et DVD@\acronym{CD} et \acronym{DVD}!gravure|)
[20:54] <godbyk> Okay, yeah.. I think that's the index entry we had problems with.
[20:54] <godbyk> For some reason, it was being added to the index twice.
[20:54] <godbyk> And Carsten and I couldn't figure out why.
[20:54] <godbyk> Since we were out of time (we noticed it the day the manual needed to be published), we just reverted to the |( and |) index commands for that one.
[20:55] <cqfd93> OK
[20:55] <cqfd93> Hi CarstenG!
[20:55] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie
[20:58] <godbyk> Hey, CarstenG.
[20:58] <CarstenG> Hi
[21:01] <CarstenG> Sylvie, did you fix the fr.po?
[21:02] <cqfd93> Yes, carsten
[21:03] <cqfd93> witk kevin's script, I only get 1 warning:
[21:03] <cqfd93> Warning: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/raring/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1061/+translate
[21:03] <cqfd93> (22:34:26) cqfd93:          https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/raring/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/1106/+translate
[21:03] <cqfd93> (22:34:26) cqfd93:          Index entry beginning page range has no matching end page number.
[21:03] <CarstenG> This you can ignore
[21:03] <cqfd93> It's the |( and |) index commands problem
[21:04] <cqfd93> French translation is complete and this evening, we started proofreading
[21:12] <godbyk> cqfd93: I think you and Andrej are racing to see which will be finished first: French or Slovenian.
[21:13] <cqfd93> ;-)
[21:13] <cqfd93> We started way behind the Spanish, now we're ahead of them :-)
[21:24] <cqfd93> Time to go to bed.  Good night!
[21:25] <CarstenG> I too.
[21:25] <CarstenG> see you
[21:25] <CarstenG> have a nice weekend.
[21:27] <cqfd93> you too!


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[03:14] <cjohnston> daker__: whats your schedule proposal
[12:16] <daker_> cjohnston: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daker/demo/test.html
[17:14] <cjohnston> daker: does it scroll to the right automagically?
[17:14] <cjohnston> daker: it looks nice
[17:14] <cjohnston> but.. have you seen uds.chrisjohnston.org?
[17:14] <cjohnston> thats the new display that we used and would like to use (similar, but better) again
[17:16] <daker> cjohnston: yes
[17:16] <daker> cjohnston: one of the problem that faced me on uds every time is TZ
[17:17] <daker> so everytime i had to go to timeanddate to so what is depending on the TZ to which session is starting
[17:18] <daker> cjohnston: there a orange line, that will indicate "We are here rightnow"
[17:18] <daker> there is*
[17:18] <daker> an*
[17:19] <cjohnston> daker: I like the orange line
[17:20] <daker> cjohnston: like in google calendar
[17:20] <cjohnston> with django 1.4 though there is a pretty cool TZ feature
[17:23] <daker> cjohnston: once the user open the page, it will scroll automatically to that orange line
[17:26] <cjohnston> daker: I'm trying to decide if I'd rather that than the agenda view
[18:21] <daker> cjohnston: where do you use uds.chrisjohnston.org ?
[18:50] <cjohnston> daker: there are displays around the facility
[21:01] <daker> cjohnston: do you need help ?


[00:37] <EuroTrash> So I just updated to 16.04, and now my fonts are horrible: http://imgur.com/a/OWppP they look fine in the preview window in the settings panel (yes, I prefer my fonts without anti-aliasing), but they look entirely different in the UI. I tried deleting pretty much every dir that starts with a dot (when outside kde), but it seems KDE is using an entirely different font for the interface despite my efforts to change it.
[00:37] <EuroTrash> Any pointers on how to fix this?
[00:44] <EuroTrash> Hm I guess completely removing Noto somewhat fixes it, heh.
[00:44] <EuroTrash> Gotta reboot
[00:46] <soee> EuroTrash: enable antialiasing for fonts
[00:46] <EuroTrash> soee: that's not what I want.
[00:47] <EuroTrash> Ok, so update: I removed most of the noto font and now at least the window contents are proper, but the window decorations are still not playing nicely.
[00:50] <EuroTrash> Removed some remains... gotta reboot again.
[01:12] <ranu> Is there any way to adjust Kmail in order to see emails in a table? Like Thunderbird, Evolution and Geary does.
[01:13] <ranu> There is the aggregation but I didn't like it personally.
[01:26] <YankDownUnder> ranu: Have you asked in the #kde channel?
[01:26] <ranu> No, I haven't
[01:26] <ranu> Good suggestion, gonna ask on that channel as well
[02:30] <linux> Hi
[02:32] <linux> I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 , Do I need upgread to 16.04.1?
[03:19] <leoguana85> hi
[03:19] <leoguana85> some one speak spanish?
[03:20] <leoguana85> i have a problem in my kubuntu
[03:20] <leoguana85> hola
[04:15] <maysara> Hello, I used dd to make a bootable linux image on a usb drive, then I was able to format it but I can't create a new partition table using the partition manager. How to make the usb usable again?
[06:00] <ussher_> anyone used wkhtmltopdf?  When I use the repo version of it on kubuntu 16
[06:00] <ussher_> .04  it creates a PDF with images, but not searchable.  the downloaded version from their website creates searchable pdf's but doesnt get the images.
[07:18] <makelix> Is Kubuntu Forums down for others too? Getting 503 here.
[07:22] <acheronuk> makelix: what url?
[07:22] <makelix> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[07:23] <acheronuk> makelix: works here
[07:23] <makelix> Okay, thanks.
[07:45] <makelix> FYI: I managed to reach https://www.kubuntuforums.net/ via Tor. It seems that I was blocked from the site while trying to start a new thread and attach some files (lspci dump etc.) to it. I have now sent a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so maybe this will all work out in the end.
[08:09] <paranoidabhi> hi
[08:10] <paranoidabhi> Any update on kde 5.7 for 16.04?
[08:13] <memphisto>  HI
[08:14] <memphisto> need help with kubuntu 14.04. It doesn't bring X and last you can see on screen is Restoring resolver state {ok}
[08:15] <memphisto> tried fsck, tried apt-get -f install; apt update &&apt upgrade but non of that helps as all seems to be good
[08:17] <memphisto> last thing in syslog  is  ntpd_intres[996]: parent died before we finished, exiting
[08:18] <memphisto> now this shouoldn't stop X
[08:18] <memphisto> no errors in Xorg.0.log
[08:52] <mhg> hi i can't mount my hard disk. why? An error occurred while accessing 'segate', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sdc1 at /media/mhg/segate: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sdc1" "/media/mhg/segate"' exited with non-zero exit status 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 5).
[08:53] <mhg> please help me!!!
[08:53] <ikonia> please don't cross post
[08:53] <ikonia> are you using ubuntu or kubuntu
[08:54] <mhg> ikonia: im on kubuntu
[08:54] <ikonia> ok - so probably best to keep it in here and wait for someone to respond
[08:57] <mhg> any idea?
[08:57] <ikonia> not looked at your problem
[08:58] <mhg> it does not mount on a Ubuntu vm
[08:58] <ikonia> I'm not looking at your problem
[08:59] <mhg> Ok, like what you said, waiting for somebody to help.
[08:59] <ikonia> perfect
[09:01] <acheronuk> Searching Google for '$MFTMirr does not match $MFT' I see several possible answers
[09:01] <mhg> acheronuk: Thank you very much.
[09:01] <acheronuk> Not that that is a replacement for help here, but you might like to check anyway
[09:02] <mhg> acheronuk: ok, no problem, i search google now.
[09:03] <acheronuk> the problem also looks non kubuntu specific, so #ubuntu and the ubuntu webforums may also be a better bet for a quick solution
[09:04] <mhg> acheronuk: Ok. i asked this on ubuntu too. no answer there.
[09:05] <acheronuk> It's a Sunday morning in large parts of the ubuntu using world, so responses may well be slow coming
[09:05] <mhg> acheronuk: ok, no problem. waiting.
[09:07] <ikonia> no problem waiting so you start spamming in #ubuntu "please help me"
[09:07] <ikonia> I'd already told you to stop cross posting
[09:11] <paranoidabhi> how to navigate through the pinned icon-manager applications on panel through a keyboard-shortcut. Using kubuntu 16.04 with kde 5.6.x
[10:32] <tarator> Hi, after upgrade from Kubuntu 15.10 to 16.04 all the Tags, I made in Dolphins for files are lost.  Huh?
[10:34] <tarator> I'm using Kubuntu since 2007 and the latest version is the worst for a looong time. Far away to be usable in a production environment. I think it's really time to change the distribution.
[10:43] <Fyr> after installation I found out that some text is in Thai language. During installation I set preferred language - American English, Regional Settings - the United States.
[10:43] <Fyr> after installation I double-checked it.
 That's the nice thing about open source software.  In my PC it says new version is available but nothing happens when I enter my password. Known bugg?
[14:41] <hangman13us> I use 14.04 LTS Kubuntu for now.
[14:41] <EuroTrash> It did work for me
[14:42] <hangman13us> No extra lines in the konsole or something? Just with the Update Manager.
 Upgrade from 1404 to 1604 is a large one
[14:42] <hangman13us> Ircsomebot - what you mean?
[14:42] <EuroTrash> Yeah this button "upgrade to kubuntu 16.04" appeared and magically, it worked (well, with some caveats but let's ignore that for now).
[14:43] <EuroTrash> Kill the thing and run it again, does the message still appear?
[14:43] <hangman13us> I'm not too eager to upgrade now but I'm annoyed it didn't work for me :(
[14:43] <hangman13us> I press update and enter my pass and nothing.
[14:44] <EuroTrash> How long did you leave it sit?
[14:44] <hangman13us> Yes it still appears. I restarted few times and etc. same thing over and over again.
[14:44] <hangman13us> My PC is on 24/7 so I suspect enough + I have high speed connection (in case it downloads the new version before it start).
[14:45] <hangman13us> Which btw doesn't make much sense given I expected to see some options how migration and upgrade will happen
[14:45] <EuroTrash> Well there's this checklist progress thingy, but it's pretty much unattended for the most part.
[14:45] <EuroTrash> I wonder if it logs anywhere
[14:47] <hangman13us> no clue, but I definitely don't want to re-image from scratch I would prefer upgrade if 16.04 is somehow cooler.
[14:47] <hangman13us> It is LTS but last time I had bad exp with some apps
[14:48] <hangman13us> EuroTrash you're using the 16.04 LTS now, aren't you?
[14:48] <hangman13us> Is it good?
[14:48] <EuroTrash> Yes
[14:49] <hangman13us> Any major changes?
[14:49] <EuroTrash> Well, it is now... had tons of UI issues, mainly involving fonts, but I managed to fix it.
[14:49] <EuroTrash> I like Plasma/KDE 5, seems lighter than 4 and still has similar customization options.
[14:49] <hangman13us> Sounds good, fonts always mess up the whole thing (at least on my PC).
[14:49] <EuroTrash> But the rest of the system.. it's mostly evolutionary.
[14:50] <EuroTrash> Still, running an old system will bite you in the ass at some point, so it's nice to be up to date again :D
[14:52] <hangman13us> I know...
[14:52] <hangman13us> Will have to handle this at some point
[14:52] <hangman13us> Maybe will try to upgrade with the konsole directly
[14:52] <EuroTrash> Yeah there's still do-release-upgrade, etc.
[14:54] <hangman13us> I still wonder what's wrong on my end so I cannot run the upgrade automatically...
[14:54] <hangman13us> Will give it 1-2 weeks more to see if it will sort out on its own :D
[14:54] <hangman13us> lol
[14:54] <hangman13us> And then will have to deal with this manually.
[15:38] <viewer|24993> hello
[15:38] <viewer|24993> i hacve a question of kubuntu 16.04
[15:40] <PTS> I installed software using apt-get install, then un-installed it using apt-get remove. I can't launch the program using the terminal, but I can still find it and use it from my KDE Application Menu. Does anyone have a clue how to solve this?
[15:40] <viewer|24993> When the computer go sleep ( period of time with no work) it ask me the paqssword.How can I get without password?
[15:42] <soee> PTS: maybe cache was not updated
[15:42] <soee> try to relogin
[15:42] <soee> viewer|24993: than you should configure it to not lock screen
[15:42] <soee> if you are sure it is completely safe for you
[15:45] <clivejo> System Settings> Under Workspace (Desktop Behavior) > Screen locking
[15:46] <viewer|24993> but i have a many time the computers with no work and when i go to work is seeking the password
[15:46] <viewer|24993> if is it the only posibility
[15:47] <PTS> soee: I have already tried to relog
[15:47] <PTS> it did not work
[15:50] <soee> PTS: remove it manually from menu :D
[15:50] <PTS> I have solved it. I used the Discover software manager to remove the program.
[15:51] <PTS> Take care everyone!
[17:29] <PTS> My bottom panel displays every program active on all workspaces. How do I change the panel to only display programs running in the current workspace?
[17:30] <YankDownUnder> PTS: Right-click, choose "Taskmanager Settings"
[17:34] <PTS> YankDownUnder: I tried picking the "Show only tasks from the current screen" option, nothing happned. Is this the correct option? Maybe I need to restard my computer for it to take effect.
[17:37] <YankDownUnder> PTS: You might have to log out and log back in.
[17:37] <PTS> Nevermind, I chose the wrong option!
[17:37] <PTS> "Show only tasts from the current desktop" is the correct answer!
[17:38] <YankDownUnder> PTS: Well, there ya go.
[19:04] <max63000> salut
[22:39] <pfalzbuu> hey there ;)
[22:48] <pfalzbuu> hey there, is there anybody?
[22:49] <TheTrash> Yup


[12:35] <lifeless> bradb: so how is our malone 'help!' list coming  ?
[12:37] <bradb> lifeless: the UI work is starting to start. mpt sent me the HTML of the first of the pages we designed. the timeline says that by around mid-march most of our UI-fu will be integrated, and I just got someone else hired today to work with me on Malone (subject to contractual details getting sorted out.)
[12:38] <bradb> i'm also trying to find an HTML/JS guy to do some XML-RPC super-fu for us too, which will make our search widgets seem like something out of a sci-fi novel
[12:39] <bradb> we have fallback strategies on the search widgets of course, i.e. we discussed what kind of widget would be rendered for you based on what your browser is capable of supporting. in the best case, you get something like google suggest; in the worst case, you have to post a form.
[12:42] <bradb> i have a feeling that much of my time in cape town will be spent discussing the work mpt, kiko and I did in montreal, to get Mark's feedback on what he thinks of our ideas about making the UI really easy-to-use.
[07:54] <kiko> we just _have_ to wake up at some point
[09:29] <mdz> kiko: morning
[09:55] <kiko> morning mdz
[10:00] <mdz> kiko: have you seen The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou?
[10:04] <kiko> hmmmm. No, I haven't.
[10:04] <kiko> IMDB?
[10:05] <kiko> mdz, is it the masterpiece it's said to be?
[10:06] <mdz> kiko: I don't know that I would go that far, but it was a good film
[10:06] <mdz> kiko: the soundtrack features someone named  Seu Jorge who sings David Bowie tracks in Portuguese
[10:14] <kiko> that's crazy
[10:14] <kiko> mdz, no sleep tonight, then?
[10:15] <mdz> kiko: sleep XOR community council meeting
[01:00] <kiko> bradb, give me neuros love
[01:01] <carlos> kiko-afk: you are not at #launchpad-dev...
[01:02] <carlos> I thought you were not online :-P
[01:18] <kiko-afk> I'm xchat-confused. Let me sort that out
[06:17] <JD_> afternoon
[06:17] <Kinnison> Hello
[06:18] <JD> argh
[06:18] <Kinnison> What can we do for you?
[06:19] <JD> apart from stopping OPN from sucking? erm just tried to join launchpad, got an email
[06:19] <JD> the link got redirected to notready.u.c
[06:19] <JD> I suspect that isn't intended
[06:22] <Kinnison> Impressive
[06:22] <Kinnison> SteveA: Know anything about that?
[06:25] <salgado> JD, you can create an account on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/login_form
[06:25] <daf> JD: make sure you're using https
[06:25] <JD> daf: the llink was https
[06:25] <daf> oh, is this the FOAF thing?
[06:25] <JD> yes
[06:25] <salgado> JD, it will be valid in launchpad
[06:25] <daf> (hi JD)
[06:25] <JD> daf: :)
[06:26] <daf> JD: coming to FOSDEM?
[06:26] <JD> daf: of course
[06:26] <daf> groovy
[06:29] <daf> better decide soon :)
[06:31] <JD> daf: the talks are where you recover from your hangover
[06:32] <daf> heh
[06:32] <JD> so is my url completely useless then?
[06:32] <carlos> JD: atm, yes
[06:33] <JD> hmm I just tried to register with the url salgado gave me and got this
[06:33] <JD> his site encountered an error trying to fulfill your request. The errors were:
[06:33] <JD> Error Type
[06:33] <JD>     KeyError
[06:33] <JD> Error Value
[06:33] <JD>     'id'
[06:33] <daf> nice :)
[06:34] <JD> said I'd been registered though
[06:40] <JD> except I've not had an email or anything
[06:43] <JD> so I am not registered at all
[06:43] <JD> :'(
[06:43] <JD> I only wanted to help
[06:43] <JD> I know when I'm not wanted
[07:29] <carlos> JD: could you try to recover your account from the ubuntu's website?
[07:30] <JD> carlos: k
[07:30] <carlos> JD: use the forgotten password feature
[07:31] <JD> it says I'm not there
[07:32] <carlos> and you are not able to create a new account?
[07:32] <carlos> :-?
[07:32] <JD> nope I get the same error about KeyError
[07:32] <JD> and launchpad url doesn't work
[07:32] <carlos> launchpad's url is normal that does not work
[07:32] <carlos> don't worry
[07:33] <carlos> but the ubuntu's website should work...
[07:33] <JD> would it not work because I already tried to join launchpad?
[07:34] <carlos> JD: it should not be the problem
[07:34] <salgado> JD, no, it's not possible
[07:43] <JD> do you want my email address to check logs?
[07:48] <salgado> JD, I gave you the wrong url, I think. use the "Join" link on ubuntulinux.org
[07:50] <JD> salgado: you did but I figured it out
[07:52] <salgado> JD, you entered your email address on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/join_form and got a page with a "KeyError" message?
[07:56] <JD> yes
[07:57] <JD> name and email
[07:59] <salgado> weird. I just did that and it worked for me
[08:00] <JD> I can try again if you want
[08:01] <JD> same error
[08:03] <carlos> JD: which email address are you using?
[08:03] <JD><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:04] <carlos> hmm
[08:04] <carlos> could you send me (directly) all your data so I could try to create your account?
[08:04] <carlos> directly == /msg
[08:09] <carlos> JD: same problem here, and it's not your fault :-)
[08:09] <JD> carlos: I should bloody hope not :P
[08:09] <JD> :)
[08:16] <carlos> JD: The bug is reported, will be back to you as soon as it's fixed. Sorry for any problem it could cause you.
[08:17] <JD> carlos: hhahahaha :)
[08:18] <carlos> sorry, I'm tired, I suppose you understand it as I wrote it :-P
[08:21] <JD> carlos: yeah :)