[00:24] <SpamapS> cjwatson: I believe at this point the libmysqlclient transition is "complete" .. the only things left on the transition page are things that FTBFS for some other reason.
[00:24] <SpamapS> cjwatson: oh, and libreoffice. ;)
[00:32]  * micahg thought we wanted a libreoffice rebuild for alpha1
[00:48] <awsoonn> I'm writing a small game and wanted to make a proper makefile and .deb for it. I've already made a makefile and the debian directory, but how do I tell it where to install the binary files?
[00:59] <cjwatson> SpamapS: excellent
[00:59] <cjwatson> micahg: so did I, but I think it's too late now :-/
[01:00] <awsoonn> cjwatson: do you sleep? It seems that you're online every time I hop on IRC... :P
[01:00] <cjwatson> SpamapS: well done on sorting through the bulk of the build failure swamp
[01:00] <cjwatson> awsoonn: heh, a few people say that ... I'm just about to
[01:00] <awsoonn> good! :)
[01:01] <awsoonn> could you think of a good example package for me to look at to figure out how to build a .deb for homebrew game?
[01:02] <awsoonn> specificly I want to figure out how to make my makefile put the binaries in teh right spot to be included in the .deb
[01:03] <cjwatson> give it an install target, have the target honour DESTDIR
[01:04] <SpamapS> cjwatson: the swamp definitely had more ROUS's than I expected.. but the quicksand and fire traps weren't even a problem. ;)
[01:04] <cjwatson> so e.g. 'install -m0755 mygame $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin'
[01:05] <cjwatson> (using the autotools is better because it makes it easier for the packaging to override choices of directories etc., but that's more effort)
[01:05] <awsoonn> i dont mind effort if there is some glimmer of learning something usefull
[01:05] <cjwatson> (sorry, that wants 'install -d $(DESTDIR)/usr/bin' first)
[01:06] <cjwatson> in automake you'd just have 'bin_PROGRAMS = mygame' and then 'mygame_SOURCES = mygame.c' (say)
[01:07] <cjwatson> but for something simple it's not unreasonable to do it by hand, particularly as you'll get more reward more quickly :)
[01:07] <cjwatson> and if you already have a Makefile that does the building part, it's not much more
[01:07] <cjwatson> anyway, bed
[01:07] <awsoonn> ok, thx for the heads up, g'night!
[01:09] <Daviey> win 76
[03:55] <micahg> SpamapS: great work on the libmysqlclient transition
[03:57] <SpamapS> micahg: thanks.. I think there are still a few tiny dangling bits but they're all too big to be patching around.
[06:38] <pitti> Good morning
[07:26]  * SpamapS realizes a few universe packages were missed in the libmysqlclient sweep
[07:30] <infinity> SpamapS: No time like the present to fix 'em. ;)
[07:39] <SpamapS> yeah, thank god for submittodebian
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:50] <bambee> morning, for the kernel team:  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.2-rc3-oneiric/  <--- there are missing packages inside this directory
[09:05] <apw> bambee, they arn't missing so much as unbuildable.  that release has compile issues on all architectures/flavours we build in mainline builds
[09:06] <bambee> oh, ok
[09:06] <apw> bambee, the fix for that is in linus' tree and so we expect the later dailies and releases to build again
[09:06] <apw> infinity, did those bootstrap builds work ok?
[09:07] <bambee> I just need a recent kernel for my sandy bridge (performance+stability), however I can wait, there's no hurry :) (the 3.2-rc2 works just fine)
[09:07] <infinity> apw: the DEB_STAGE trick worked fine to squeeze out a linux-libc-dev, a full build failed with kernel-wedge puking.
[09:08] <apw> infinity, got a log for that, is that kernel-wedge broken or our tree ?
[09:08] <infinity> apw: I have my hands full with other stuff right now, so failed to care deeply.
[09:08] <apw> fair enough
[09:08] <apw> as long as you have your bootstrap life is good
[09:09] <infinity> apw: Pretty much, yeah.  I don't really care about having an omap3 kernel right now. ;)
[09:09] <apw> infinity, i'll add it to my todo list for when we have a chroot
[09:09] <infinity> apw: We have chroots.
[09:09] <infinity> apw: It's building. :P
[09:09] <infinity> apw: Unless you mean on a porter box.
[09:09] <infinity> apw: I can probably convince lamont to set one up tomorrow.
[09:10] <apw> infinity, yeah somewhere i can play yes then i can debug it without interfering
[09:10]  * apw ^5s DEB_STAGE
[09:10] <infinity> Yeah, much love for the DEB_STAGE hack.
[09:10] <infinity> Whoever did that.
[09:10] <apw> it was done by linaro for the very same use
[09:11] <apw> in their case they are bootstrapping new vendor boards
[09:13] <pitti> Daviey: any chance we can get bug 857956 fixed in precise today? it got SRUed without uploading to precise, which is now both blocking promotion to -updates and also an alpha-1 targetted bug
[09:20] <Daviey> pitti: gah, yes - will be uploaded today.
[09:20] <Daviey> Thanks.
[09:21] <pitti> Daviey: thanks
[09:40] <Laney> ooh armhf builds
[09:43] <tumbleweed> am I correct in assuming that armhf and armel can chroot each-other without emulation?
[09:53] <Daviey> pitti: it is Fix Released in precise.
[09:53] <pitti> Daviey: yay you, moving to -updates
[09:54] <pitti> there it goes
[09:54] <Daviey> rocking :), thanks
[10:22] <apw> pitti, i see you looked at this installer EINVAL error thing.  the library that is reporting the EIO, what is that part of, i want to file a bug against it to get the damn filename out
[10:23] <pitti> apw: it's ubiquity
[10:23] <pitti> apw: incidentally, I'm just working on finding a simpler reproducer for it
[10:23] <apw> pitti, that is excellent yell if you do find one, /me is downloading an up to date iso to try and repro. it too
[10:24] <pitti> apw: yep, will do
[10:24] <pitti> apw: NB that it only seems to happen for i386 images on amd64
[10:24] <pitti> ... hosts
[10:24] <apw> yeah i see there is some correlation there
[10:25] <pitti> apw: logging the file name is easy, you just need to edit /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/install_misc.py
[10:25] <pitti> and at the top of def copy_file(), add something like
[10:25] <apw> pitti, yeah i guess it is easy, just mad that when the think throws up it doesn't report the failing filename
[10:25] <pitti> syslog.syslog('copying %s -> %s' % (sourcepath, targetpath))
[10:25] <apw> if it did we would already know if its random or the same file
[10:26] <apw> so for the next time, i want it to report the failing file
[10:26] <pitti> right, we could intercept IOError, log the file, and raise it again, that's better
[10:26] <apw> pitti, anyhow my plan without a simple reproducer is to confirm it, then try and downgrade the kernel in the ISO, confirm if its even kernel
[10:27] <pitti> apw: sounds good, we don't overlap then
[10:27] <pitti> it's currently expected that running precise ISO with the oneiric kernel will work, but that's to be proven
[10:28] <apw> pitti, yeah given we have new libc and new python (i believe) it really could be any of them
[10:28] <apw> EINVAL is common in libc too at least
[10:28] <pitti> apw: we already checked what man write(2) had to say about EINVAL, but it didn't ring a bell
[10:28]  * apw wonders if QA might still have the older isos.  when did this start occuring
[10:29] <apw> gema, you aware of the EINVAL issue in QA ?
[10:29] <pitti> jibel might remember
[10:30] <apw> i believe they do daily testing, so we should know which day it started
[10:35] <infinity> apw: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/86175847/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.iptables_1.4.12-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:35] <infinity> apw: ^-- Is that an upstream kernel header oops?  I've seen it a couple of times now (and only with 3.2 headers).
[10:37] <apw> infinity, looking
[10:37] <infinity> apw: (Completely reproducible on x86, not an ARM thing)
[10:37] <infinity> apw: klibc is in the same boat right now (which is when I first noticed it)
[10:39] <apw> infinity, it looks new, so could be, is there a bug yet ?
[10:40] <infinity> apw: Nope.  It's 3:40am, I don't file bugs at this time of day.
[10:40] <infinity> apw: I just whine on IRC instead.
[10:41] <apw> infinity, reasonable indeed
[10:42] <pitti> apw: interesting: when I run my smaller reproducer, the VM gets messed up in all kinds of interesting ways: ssh suddenly stops working, now compiz is crashing, etc.
[10:42] <apw> pitti, joy
[10:42] <jibel> apw, it started on Nov. 16th with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Alpha i386 (20111116)
[10:43] <jibel> apw, but we don't have the iso.
[10:43]  * apw wonders why it took till the 25th to file a bug about it
[10:45] <pitti> apw: that pretty much rules out eglibc then
[10:46] <pitti> apw: python as well, unchanged since oneiric
[10:47] <pitti> but 3.1.0 -> 3.2.0 happened on Nov 18
[10:47] <pitti> so that doesn't fit either
[10:50] <apw> pitti, to confirm i am reading the publishing history right, we uploaded 3.1.0-2.2 on the 2011-10-28 and 2.3 on the 2011-11-18
[10:50] <pitti> right
[10:51] <apw> jibel, so can i confirm everything worked on the 15th and not on the 16th ?
[10:51]  * apw wonders if this could be a host upgrade interacting with the guest
[10:52] <apw> jibel, do you keep the host static or does that upgrade too throughout the cycle
[10:56] <pitti> apw: do we turn any knobs in procps which might cause https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2011-November/002607.html to have a different effect now?
[10:57] <pitti> although I guess we need to look at uploads from Nov 15
[10:57] <pitti> we uploaded awfully lot on all days
[10:57] <apw> pitti, i'd like to have a proper bound on when it was last definatly successful, but yes 15th
[10:58] <jibel> apw, it started the week of the qa sprint and is compatible with an host upgrade. Let me check the date of the upgrade to Oneiric
[10:58] <apw> pitti, so the upload on the 18th only added postrm etc files to linux-virtual-extra which would not be involved here anyhow
[11:00] <apw> jibel, by compatible do you mean there was an upgrade host side in the right time span ?
[11:00] <jibel> apw, I confirm the failures started after the upgrade of the host to Oneiric
[11:00] <apw> jibel, thanks
[11:01] <smb> jibel, what was the host running before?
[11:01] <jibel> natty
[11:01] <apw> pitti, ^^
[11:01] <pitti> ah
[11:02] <pitti> yesterday I tried runnign with lucid kernel on precise guest, which also succeeded
[11:02] <smb> Ok, so just a minor change... ;-P
[11:02] <apw> jibel, so, can we get one of the test platforms zapped to natty easily to confirm thats the cause ?
[11:02] <pitti> I'm currently running an i386 guest install on amd64 host, but so far still not reproduced
[11:02] <apw> pitti, yeah its probabally something new in the new kernel which uses something new in the oneiric kernel which is broken
[11:03] <apw> so downgrading either should sort us out
[11:03] <apw> jibel, actually it may be only necessary to install a natty kernel on the oneiric host and test with that combination
[11:03] <pitti> right
[11:03] <pitti> and that's much easier to do, too
[11:04] <pitti> so, my test install finished the copying
[11:04] <apw> i could test that here if i could repro the problem at all
[11:04] <pitti> I will now install/boot the oneiric kernel on my precise system and try again
[11:04] <jibel> apw, the previous kernel is still installed and we could reboot to this kernel.
[11:05]  * apw realises
[11:05] <pitti> well, I'll run the same precise kernel host test again, as it doesn't happen every time
[11:05] <apw> jibel, that sounds good
[11:06] <apw> pitti, just realised i am running O with
[11:06] <apw> with the P kernel, so that may not repro
[11:10] <jibel> apw, ok, I need to schedule some downtime, it's our main host for iso testing. I think we can do that later today in the evening.
[11:14] <apw> jibel, ok thanks
[11:14] <apw> jibel, will let you know if we find anything else
[11:15] <cjwatson> apw: EINVAL - FWIW jibel found a similar-looking case in dpkg, which IMO rules out everything except kernel+libc
[11:16] <cjwatson> (this may be overtaken by events; I was flicking through scrollback)
[11:16] <apw> cjwatson, was that also testing in a VM, and if so do you know the host release
[11:16] <cjwatson> I don't know, hopefully jibel will remember what I'm talking about
[11:17] <cjwatson> oh, here
[11:17] <cjwatson> 16:31 <jibel> bug 896546, same crash than bug 894768 but with virtualbox
[11:17] <cjwatson> hopefully that's enough references to help
[11:17] <pitti> ok, my second i386 precise VM install on amd64 precise succeeded
[11:17] <pitti> I'll try with the oneiric kernel on host now
[11:17] <apw> cjwatson, yes thanks
[11:17] <apw> pitti, starting my second O+Pkernel one now (first successful)
[11:18] <pitti> apw: ok, that'll give us four runs with the P kernel on host
[11:18] <pitti> reboot, ,brg
[11:18] <cjwatson> oh, or not, where was it
[11:18] <pitti> OMG typing
[11:19] <cjwatson> apw: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/11/25/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t17:17
[11:19] <cjwatson> I guess that was in a VM too
[11:26] <pitti> ah, that took a while, oneiric's kernel plus .config/monitor.xml is broken with my external monitor (curiously it works fine with both lucid and precise kernels)
[11:28] <apw> pitti, that is peculiar indeed
[11:28] <pitti> apw: so, now running a test install under oneiric amd64 kernel
[11:37] <apw> pitti, second install finished, just rebooting it to confirm
[11:38] <jibel> apw, I found it only once with dpkg, and running the test again passed so I blamed the environment. it was the same testing environment but the test was running d-i instead of ubiquity.
[11:38] <pitti> I don't think it's the python part
[11:38] <pitti> the write() syscall failed with EINVAL
[11:38] <apw> its feeling like a kvm host bug from all the evidence we have
[11:39] <pitti> apw: except that someone got it under a Mac and with virtualbox, too
[11:40] <pitti> apw: and oneiric guest installs all succeed
[11:40] <pitti> which makes it sound like a guest side problem
[11:41] <pitti> ooooh! "The installer crashed"
[11:41] <apw> well likely precise is using the latest abi features of kvm, so it could easily be triggering a bug in the hostside
[11:41] <pitti> this is my first-ever reproducer
[11:41] <pitti> after some 10 installs
[11:41] <apw> pitti, and thats changing only the host kernel right?
[11:41] <pitti> right, same guest:
[11:41] <pitti> kvm -m 2048 -vga std -net none -drive if=virtio,index=0,file=/home/martin-scratch/images/test.img -cdrom ~/download/ubuntu/precise-desktop-i386.iso -boot d
[11:42] <pitti> I used -net none just to speed it up
[11:42] <pitti> as all the net stuff happens after copying
[11:43]  * pitti updates the bug
[11:45] <pitti> I'll now test a simpler reproducer
[11:46] <pitti> interesting graphics corruption bug in the VM, too
[11:47] <gema> apw: sorry, I was afk for a while
[11:47] <gema> apw: reading now
[11:48] <apw> gema, i think jibel answered all our queries to now
[11:48] <doko> cjwatson: tgall_foo completed the libjpeg-turbo rebuild tests (mail on linaro-dev), do you have concerns uploading the libjpeg packages after the alpha?
[11:50] <pitti> jibel: coudl we run the natty or precise kernel on those test machines for the time being, to unblock the daily tests?
[11:56] <gema> apw: ack. We have started last week our history of builds, so this time we don't have builds that go that far, but we will from now on. We are caching 2 weeks worth of builds now and plan to extend it to a month
[12:09] <zul> can someone review quantum for me...its sitting in the new queue for a while now
[12:14] <apw> pitti, i just ran a third install using your command line, and appear to have an installer crash (O userspace but with a P kernel)
[12:15] <pitti> apw: same EINVAL?
[12:19]  * apw wonders how he finds that out
[12:20] <apw> pitti, yes, Errno 22
[12:22] <cjwatson> doko: does the libjpeg-turbo source package build a libjpeg8 binary package so that we don't need a transition, as I requested (if they're still ABI-compatible)?
[12:22] <cjwatson> doko: I'm fine with it if and only if that's the case
[12:24] <pitti> apw: meh, now that I instrumented the write() call, it *of course* has to crash not there, but in the following .close()
[12:25]  * pitti updates the code and runs another two installs
[12:25] <apw> pitti, i also hit it in the close on this failure here
[12:26] <pitti> apw: running again now; I want to find out which file it stumbles over
[12:26] <apw> yeah be very interested if its consistant
[12:27] <doko> cjwatson, the solution is different, but you don't need a transition. libjpeg-turbo8 is diverting the shared library
[12:27] <wzssyqa> can anybody help me on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tclcl/+bug/897158
[12:28] <ogra_> geser, pinagling, could you add armhf to the ftbfs list on ubuntuwire ?
[12:28] <cjwatson> doko: diverting?!
[12:29] <cjwatson> doko: why oh whwy
[12:29] <cjwatson> *why
[12:29] <ogra_> (looking at the code that looks like a one line change)
[12:29] <cjwatson> ogra_: no, see the page header
[12:29] <cjwatson> "Note: armhf is tracked on its own page until it settles down"
[12:29] <ogra_> OH !
[12:29] <ogra_> thanks
[12:30] <ogra_> one would think setting "Note" in bold should be enough for people noticing it :P
[12:32] <doko> cjwatson, I assume it was easier in the past to switch between the two implementations
[12:35] <geser> ogra_: I will prepare the FTBFS page to add armhf once it settles down
[12:35] <ogra_> yeah, understood, i simply missed the note
[12:36] <geser> cjwatson: how long do you expect armhf to settle down? days? weeks? next release cycle?
[12:36] <tgall_foo> cjwatson, yes that is the case?..   and the diverts can go,   that was there since when the libjpeg-turbo was originally put together we knew libjpeg was going to be installed
[12:36] <ogra_> geser, weeks
[12:36] <ogra_> for main it should take 4-6 weeks over the thumb, probably less
[12:37] <geser> ok, so I'm not in a hurry
[12:37] <tumbleweed> geser: doesn't the FTBFS page auto-detect archs?
[12:37] <ogra_> it has an arch list
[12:37] <ogra_> in the code
[12:37] <geser> tumbleweed: not yet, but that would be a good opportunity to finally add it
[12:37] <jibel> pitti, I'll reboot the machine with a natty kernel this evening. I can't do that now because it is a production server.
[12:38] <infinity> geser: Not autodetecting seems sane for now, having it on its own page (as wgrant set it up) keep the clutter down.
[12:39] <doko> infinity, did you miss the ldd change in eglibc?
[12:39] <infinity> doko: No.
[12:39] <tumbleweed> geser, ogra_: um, my checkout of it does
[12:39] <infinity> doko: What makes you ask?
[12:40] <geser> tumbleweed: then I haven't looked into the code for some time, might got included in one of wgrant's merge proposals
[12:40] <doko> infinity, didn't see it mentioned in your changelog entry
[12:41] <infinity> doko: * Add dynamic linker name for the non-default multilib in ARM ldd.
[12:41] <infinity> doko: Or did you mean another change?
[12:41] <infinity> doko: (I fixed that in 2.15 bzr as well, it was slightly wrong)
[12:42] <infinity> doko: I have a few other things to commit to 2.15 too, but I'll do that after I've napped.
[12:42] <doko> ok, thanks
[12:45] <apw> pitti, we also have to remember there is a userspace component on the host for the disks
[13:08] <apw> pitti, have you managed to get any filenames out ?
[13:08] <pitti> apw: still not; restarting the umpteenth time now
[13:10] <pitti> apw: did you?
[13:11] <pitti> it behaves strangely now, it doesn't seem to start copying files at all
[13:11] <apw> pitti, i've had exactly one reproduce on my O/P host (U/K) and P image testing
[13:11] <pitti> apw: I never reproduced it with the P host kernel, only with O host kernel
[13:12] <apw> pitti, that and it changing when you try and get the filename out implies its a very narrow race somewhere i suspect
[13:12] <pitti> hm, adding the IOErro logging to ubiquity somehow seems to completely break it; it just doesn't start copying at all
[13:12] <pitti> apw: no, no
[13:12] <pitti> I mean ubiquity doesn't _succeed_ copying files
[13:12] <pitti> it doesn't _start_
[13:12] <pitti> it just sits around showing the slideshow
[13:13] <apw> hrm
[13:13]  * apw will continue to try and get an idea of how reproducible it is here as well, and investigate what we can capture in qemu
[13:14] <pitti> it doesn't show me the partitioner either
[13:14] <pitti> ok, back again
[13:14] <pitti> aah, apparently I had two other KVMs running somewhere
[13:15] <pitti> jibel: really, you could have invented a bug which wouldn't need three hours to reproduce
[13:15]  * pitti hugs jibel, J/K
[13:32] <pitti> stgraber: hm, is the "Precise Daily" milestone gone from teh new tracker now?
[13:35] <herton> pitti, tjaalton reported that he can't install last oneiric kernel from proposed, some of the 3.0.0-14.23 packages ended up in universe, and aren't installable (linux-image* ones)
[13:37] <pitti> herton: fixed that and lbm
[13:37] <herton> ok thanks
[13:37] <tjaalton> pitti: thanks
[13:40] <NCommander> cjwatson: so as a followup to the UDS discussion, what do we need specifically to get partman to be able to handle partitioningon multiple devices (i.e., creating the /dev/mmcblk0p1 partition)
[13:43] <pitti> apw: finally, another crash
[13:47] <pitti> apw: noted the file name in bug, doing another run now
[13:49] <smb> pitti, was that on read or write?
[13:49] <pitti> smb: it never happened on read yet; we had it on write() or close()
[13:50] <pitti> that was on close()
[13:50] <smb> pitti, ok, which could be both write access
[13:50] <pitti> yeah, I guess close() just flushes the remaining buffers
[13:51] <smb> Right, I would expect it to do that
[13:52] <smb> Hm, interestingly at least on close -EINVAL seems not defined (or the man page is outdated)
[13:53] <doko> apw, any estimate when bug 861296 will be addressed for precise?
[13:54] <stgraber> pitti: could be that jibel did it
[13:56] <jibel> pitti, stgraber I disabled it to avoid confusion and having to consolidate results afterwards. Do you need it ?
[13:56] <pitti> jibel: no, I was just wondering
[14:01] <doko> lucas, is rubygems / dh_ruby considered part of the ruby packaging infrastructure?
[14:03] <lucas> doko: gem2deb, you mean? yes
[14:03] <smb> pitti, One other thing that may be interesting, is ubiquity using O_DIRECT for the target file(s)?
[14:03] <doko> lucas, ok, thanks
[14:04] <pitti> smb: no, we already checked that
[14:04] <smb> ah ok, missed that in the scrollback
[14:04] <pitti> smb: so all the "bad alignment" error cases shouldn't apply
[14:04] <smb> thanks
[14:04] <pitti> smb: nah, we did that yesterday, not in the discussion with apw
[14:04] <smb> ah :)
[14:24] <roadmr> Hey everyone! I need to report a couple upstream bugs on the kernel, but bugzilla.kernel.org is still down :-/ what's a good place to file bugs in the meanwhile? LKML? or the per-subsystem mailing lists? what are other people doing about this?
[14:25] <geser> roadmr: you might perhaps want to ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[14:27] <roadmr> geser: thanks! heading over there
[14:42] <hallyn> qualifies as first world problem, but, i'm trying out thunderbird, but though i set it to not check for mail every X minutes, it still checks every minute!
[14:45] <pitti> apw: four installs later, still no second reproducer; this sucks
[14:46] <pitti> and yay for linux being so exceptionally crappy with high IO, during that time my workstation is utterly slow
, sorry
[14:47] <roadmr> hallyn: do you actually see it polling every minute, or does email just arrive "as it hits the server"? you may try disabling IMAP IDLE so it only polls at your configured interval
[14:47] <hallyn> roadmr: i'll look for that, thx.
[14:48] <roadmr> hallyn: on account settings go to server settings, advanced, untick "use idle command if server supports it"
[14:48] <hallyn> found it, thanks :)
[14:48] <hallyn> It's a neat feature, agreed, but definately something i don't want :)
[14:51] <doko> hallyn, what reasons are there to promote the spice dependencies now, after splitting the package in oneiric?
[14:52] <hallyn> doko: spice in universe was only meant to be temporary.  we do not want to keep it split.  we just wanted ppl to be able to start testing, as there are lots of things (like libvirt support) to be worked out while we wait for main deps.
[14:53] <hallyn> doko: the current kvm-spice package is not maintainable imo, if we can't get deps into spice we'll need to switch to qemu-user (which is a different tree) providing it.
[14:53] <doko> mterry, ^^^
[14:54] <mterry> doko, I'm forgetting the backstory here?
[14:55] <doko> mterry, trying to understand why we did split it in the first place
[14:57] <doko> mterry, hallyn: I think I remember, these were the excessive devil build dependencies (which are missing in this MIR anyway)
[14:58] <hallyn> doko: I've opened MIRs for all the devil builds.  there are 3 or 4 more spice deps i need to file for, but the devil ones are all opened.
[14:58] <doko> hallyn, including allegro common lisp?
[14:58] <hallyn> doko: don't get me wrong.  i fjeer image libraries.  i want spice in main, but i'll understand if these are deemed unsafe.
[14:59] <hallyn> doko: allegro4.2, yes
[14:59] <doko> hallyn, sorry, but I don't want to have another lisp in main just for spice
[14:59] <pitti> apw: bug updated, finally got a second failure now
[15:00] <pitti> apw: so it's random files
[15:00] <hallyn> doko: well, that sucks, but i understand.
[15:00] <hallyn> Then I'll have to beg lool to let us enable spice in a package built from qemu-user  :)
[15:01] <lool> Hey, how may I help?
[15:01] <hallyn> i forget who originally suggested that at UDS.  was it slangasek?
[15:01] <doko> hallyn, for the future, it would be good to open bug tasks for the other packages, not separate reports
[15:01] <hallyn> doko: i don't understand (sorry i did it wrong)  you mean one bug for all MIRs?
[15:02] <doko> hallyn, for devil and it's b-d's and d's
[15:02] <hallyn> doko: i'll mark them all invalid if you like.  the libs were:  devil, svgalib, freeimage, and allegro4.2
[15:02] <hallyn> doko: devil itself was just a dep by cegui-mk2 (which also scares me).  should those have all been one?
[15:03] <doko> hallyn, let's slangasek comment on this
[15:03] <hallyn> lool: right now we have qemu-kvm-spice in main, built from a separate source package.  bc spice is in universe.  ppl want spice.  can we move the qemu-kvm-spice package into qemu-user source pkg?
[15:03] <hallyn> doko: ok
[15:03] <doko> maybe. I think ti makes it easier to see why packages are promoted
[15:05] <hallyn> so mark the bug as affecting multiple pkgs i assume.  makes sense.
[15:06] <lool> I'm afraid I know nothing of SPLICE; indeed slangasek revamped the qemu-kvm/qemu-linaro source packages last cycle
[15:06] <lool> err SPICE
[15:06] <hallyn> ah, ok
[15:07] <lool> You seem to be doing the right thing in filing MIRs though, not exactly sure where I could be helpful
[15:12] <hallyn> lool: well apparently the MIRs will be rejected :)
[15:23] <lool> hallyn: Oh ok; what's the issue with having the two source packages like right now?
[15:24] <apw> pitti, do you have a feel for how reproducible it is on your setup ?
[15:24] <pitti> apw: something like 1 out of 4
[15:25] <pitti> apw: I tried writing a python script which copies stuff, need to run this again
[15:25] <pitti> to have a smaller reproducer
[15:26] <apw> pitti, its 1/7 so far on my combo, will reboot into an older kernel now to see if that differes
[15:28] <hallyn> lool: well there has already been an update to the -spice package bringing it out of sync (in terms of version #) with qemu-kvm.  and there was a security update to qemu-kvm yesterday which will have to be duplicated manually in qemu-kvm-spice.  It just seems like begging for mistakes.
[15:30] <doko> apw, is iw supposed to promote? crda recommends it
[15:39] <lool> hallyn, doko: Would it make sense to build two flavors of qemu-kvm out of a single source package, promote just libspice to main but publish qemu-kvm-spice in universe as not to have any supported spice packages in main?  (don't know whether we can mark libspice as unsupported)
[15:41] <hallyn> lool: maybe, but that's a bit beyond me.  Using qemu-user as the source pkg seemed nice and simple.  Are there downsides?
[15:45] <doko> lool: no, b-d's would be required in main too
[15:45] <lool> doko: Yes, but could we flag them as unsupported?
[15:45] <doko> no, we don't know about something like this
[15:47] <lool> hallyn: You mean qemu-linaro?
[15:47] <hallyn> lol: right
[15:48] <lool> hallyn: I don't have a strong opinion, but we definitely want slangasek's comments here
[15:48] <hallyn> uh, lool  :)
[15:48] <hallyn> lool: ok, let's wait for him.  thanks.
[15:55] <dantti> cnd: ping
[15:57] <cnd> dantti, pong
[15:58] <dantti> cnd: so I have it working on upower now, needed a few patches on upower and a few others on the hid-magic mouse
[15:58] <dantti> the upower patch is commited
[15:58] <cnd> cool!
[15:58] <dantti> but I have no idea how to do it on the kernel since I never did anything there..
[15:59] <cnd> are you asking how to submit your magicmouse patches?
[15:59] <dantti> also there is a patch on the linux-input ml tthat changes hid-core to have some sort of generic way of working with batteries but that does not work for apple devices (and I'm pretty sure to no other)
[16:00] <dantti> cnd: yes, and I'm concerned how to merge my patch to the one a guy sent recently..
[16:01] <cnd> dantti, do you have your patches as separate commits in a git tree?
[16:02] <dantti> cnd: no, I think I should clone it, I actually apt-get source.. and made the changes there, but is a mess right now.. :P
[16:02] <dantti> cnd: http://paste.opensuse.org/50066334
[16:02] <cnd> ahh
[16:03] <cnd> dantti, so you'll want to clone the upstream hid repository
[16:03] <cnd> git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jikos/hid.git
[16:04] <cnd> this will download a bunch of data and take probably 10 minutes on a fast connection
[16:04] <dantti> cnd: thanks, I was wondering if the kernel was in a huge git repo...
[16:05] <cnd> dantti, have you used git before?
[16:06] <dantti> cnd: sure, I code kde stuff, and packagekit too (which is why the upower commit was fast :P )
[16:06] <cnd> ok, good
[16:07] <dantti> cnd: this screenshot is nice too http://susepaste.org/49311448
[16:07] <cnd> dantti, once you get Jiri's tree cloned (note that I pasted the link to Jiri's HID tree, not Linus' tree)
[16:07] <cnd> checkout the upstream branch
[16:07] <cnd> the hid power patch is on the top of that branch
[16:08] <dantti> cnd: hmm is it another repo or just another branch on jiri's repo?
[16:08] <cnd> just another branch
[16:08] <dantti> k
[16:09] <cnd> when you have commits working, use git format-patch to generate patches (I'm guessing you know this already)
[16:09] <cnd> then read http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/jikos/hid.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/SubmittingPatches;h=4468ce24427cb011e7991d8f1ae2560764b170b8;hb=HEAD
[16:09] <cnd> (that's a link to Documentation/SubmittingPatches in the kernel tree)
[16:09] <dantti> cnd: btw I have a concern about the keyboard wich works the same way but hid-magicmouse does not take care of it..
[16:10] <dantti> sorry hit the wrong shortcut..
[16:10] <cnd> heh
[16:11] <cnd> dantti, I'm not sure how to handle the keyboard
[16:11] <cnd> asking Jiri directly on the mailing list may help
[16:11] <dantti> cnd: so the patch would be the same to I guess hid-apple, but the duplication would suck...
[16:12] <dantti> K, I'll generate the patch and ask that too..
[16:13] <dantti> the patch is quite simple at the end, but the path to get there was not ...
[16:14] <cnd> heh
[16:14] <cnd> good luck!
[16:16] <job> hi
[16:17] <job> i have ton of machines spread around the globe, i use the ' mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/dists/maverick/Release.gpg' trick in /etc/apt/sources.list to have them use mirrors close by
[16:17] <job> but this fails if mirrors (such as http://ubuntu.washdc-linux.com/ubuntu/ ) are borked
[16:18] <job> washdc-linux.com is squatted by some domainname hoarder
[16:18] <job> what would be the fastest way to have somebody pull faulty mirrors from http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/US.txt
[16:22] <johanbr> job, try asking in #ubuntu-mirrors
[16:23] <job> yes i just read that, sorry :)
[16:23] <dantti> cnd: thanks
[16:47] <smb> slangasek, Hi Steve, just for a more direct info: I had been trying an attempt to get a nfs4 alias into the nfs module upstream. But the answer was rather mount.nfs4 should not be used. My impression is that nfs4 as an explicit fstype is deprecated. But nobody else got told (re bug 607039/bug 117957)
[17:07] <m4n1sh> is it true that update-manager does not have gnome-proxy support? Sorry, i am not on proxy, but tried it on workplace where it didnt work
[17:07] <m4n1sh> so I am guessing it is due to proxy issues
[17:15] <mvo> m4n1sh: hm, it will use the systemwide settings
[17:15] <m4n1sh> mvo: I was just troubleshooting a collegue's issue
[17:15] <m4n1sh> he had to get it done
[17:16] <m4n1sh> by config file
[17:16] <m4n1sh> it looks like it doesn't take the settings from gnome proxy settings
[17:16] <mvo> m4n1sh: there is a setting in the gnome-proxy-setup that says "apply systemwide" if that is set it should work - if not I would love ot hear more, but I need to get some dinner now
[17:17] <m4n1sh> mvo: sure. even I am waiting for the dinner. :)
[17:17] <doko> Daviey, zul, well the keystone MIR is assinged to jdstrand for a security audit, not to add the missing MIR's for depending packages ;)
[17:18] <Daviey> doko: right, didn't claim otherwise. :)
[17:24] <doko> Riddell, ScottK: does k3b need to recommend vcdimager, or is a Suggests enough?
[17:29] <apw> pitti, i managed to get this to reproduce stracing the qemu, and cannot see any EINVALs in the host at the time
[17:32] <apw> pitti, though i am yet to convince myself this contains all of the IO
[17:32] <pitti> apw: yeah, and the guest also doesn't have anything in dmesg
[17:32] <apw> this is going to be a beast
[17:32] <pitti> so by the time the bits get to the outside (host), the error has been lost in all the file system / guest block device etc. layers
[17:33] <pitti> apw: so you still get this with the precise kernel on the host?
[17:33] <apw> i got it one in 7 not the 1/2 i get with an oneiric host
[17:42] <slangasek> smb: nfs4> heh, cute.  What action is needed here then?  Updates to the mount manpage in util-linux, what else?
[17:42] <slangasek> hallyn, doko, lool: I don't know anything of splice either, what comments are you looking for?
[17:43] <slangasek> hallyn: is this "can we enable it in qemu-linaro so we don't have to in qemu-kvm"? :)
[17:43] <hallyn> slangasek: right now we have qemu-kvm in main, and a copy of its source tree in universe to build qemu-kvm-spice
[17:43] <hallyn> slangasek: yeah
[17:43] <slangasek> right
[17:43] <slangasek> I think I suggested this already when doing the NEW processing of it :)
[17:43] <hallyn> MIRs apparantly are a no-go
[17:43] <doko> because spice as a lot of b-d's which we didn't want to have in main
[17:44] <doko> for oneiric
[17:44] <hallyn> slangasek: yeah, i couldn't remember when you did
[17:44] <doko> so what did change that we want to merge it again?
[17:44] <slangasek> well, I'm not happy about having duplicated source packages
[17:44] <slangasek> hallyn's probably not happy maintaining them ;)
[17:45] <hallyn> doko: for o there was just no time.  for p there was time to at least try
[17:45] <hallyn> slangasek: yes, we're already one security fix behind in qemu-kvm-spice
[17:45] <doko> but her would be happy to maintain the 3rd lisp impl in main?
[17:45] <doko> he even
[17:45] <hallyn> doko: not particularly
[17:45] <hallyn> doko: that's why i'm asking about moving the pkg to qemu-linaro source
[17:45] <hallyn> so spice can stay in universe
[17:45] <doko> that would be an idea.
[17:46] <doko> anyway, afk for the next hours
[17:46] <hallyn> doko: thx
[17:46] <hallyn> slangasek: so no objectino from you in principle?  i should come up with a debdiff to propose?
[17:46] <slangasek> hallyn: I'm happy to have it merged with qemu-linaro in universe provided that building it from the linaro branch meets your needs
[17:47] <hallyn> slangasek: difference in the trees are supposed to be becomign minimal, and in fact the spice patches may be more uptodate in qemu than qemu-kvm, so i think it meets the needs,yeah
[17:48] <hallyn> thanks, i'll go try
[17:49] <slangasek> hallyn: ta :)
[17:50] <slangasek> hallyn: so I'm about to run out the door, but if you have some time a bit later today I'd like to sit down with you in realtime regarding the lvm/udev patches you tagged me for reviewing... I think I'm going to need some help understanding how we now think this is supposed to work
[17:51] <hallyn> slangasek: ok
[17:52] <Riddell> doko: I think it can downgraded to suggests
[18:09] <Daviey> SpamapS: did you see bug 887410 had a response?
[18:10] <Daviey> doko: I am getting concerned with the volume of comments regarding lack of sqlite2 support.  Is it viable to re-introduce it in universe?
[18:10] <Daviey> (bug 852349)
[18:13] <micahg> Daviey: I was going to try to get it dropped from Debian and Ubuntu this cycle since it's been dead upstream for a while and it's probably not supportable by anyone for 5 years
[18:14]  * micahg tried to get it dropped from Debian last cycle, but it fell through the cracks
[18:15] <Daviey> micahg: right, but users still want it - and are using straight binaries from forum attachments.
[18:15] <Daviey> I'd rather there was universe support, than people doing that
[18:16] <micahg> Daviey: users do lots of crazy things, that doesn't mean that we should condone them, lucid would be the best option for these people since it's supported on the server until 2015
[18:17] <micahg> IMHO, by 2015 sqlite2 will have been deprecated for almost 10 years and we shouldn't be encouraging support past that
[18:49] <broder> could i get pycryptopp in the maverick unapproved queue rejected please?
[18:49] <broder> i forgot to update-maintainer
[18:52] <matti> Bank details for new employer
[18:53] <matti> LOL
[18:53] <matti> Sorry, pasted website by accident.
[18:53] <matti> :)
[19:53] <hallyn> kees: do you have any security concerns for any of the info exposes with: http://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/29/349
[19:55]  * kees reads
[19:57] <kees> hallyn: PR_SET_MM should absolutely be privileged, but I'm not sure which cap it should be under.
[19:58] <hallyn> kees: are you concerned about just printing out the start_data etc (in patch 1)?
[19:58] <hallyn> i guess it's still under 'permitted', so...
[19:59] <hallyn> yeah as for the priv either sys_admin or ptrace is fine with me.
[20:00] <hallyn> no, ptrace wouldn't do.
[20:00] <kees> 1/3 looks fine, it's using "permitted", so I'm happy.
[20:01] <kees> the cap needs to be stronger than ptrace, IMO. sysadmin is probably right, but it's just such a dumping ground.
[20:02] <kees> I don't think I'm happy with 3/3, though.
[20:02] <kees> nothing in that prctl is verified against mmap_min_addr
[20:07] <hallyn> kees: thanks for looking.
[20:08] <kees> hallyn: np, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
[20:25] <wgrant> geser, tumbleweed: I changed it recently to take an explicit arch list, because of stuff like armhf and rebuild archives.
[20:25] <wgrant> geser, tumbleweed: I also yesterday added a couple of quick changes to make armhf easier, which I haven't proposed yet.
[20:25] <wgrant> (allowing a custom note at the top, and customising the name of the output file)
[20:37] <tumbleweed> wgrant: are you ever going to start using my graphs? :)
[20:41] <awsoonn> I've been having trouble with my bluetooth devices ever since upgrading to 11.10, are there any known issues? What's really got me puzzled is that ever since trying to pair with my mom's cellphone I've been getting random kernel panics...
[20:41] <wgrant> tumbleweed: Graphs?
[20:43] <tumbleweed> wgrant: in lp-ftbfs-report trunk
[20:43] <tumbleweed> e.g. http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~stefanor/lp-ftbfs-report/historical/primary-precise.html
[20:44] <wgrant> Ah, I don't think anyone told me about that :)
[20:46] <tumbleweed> wgrant: feel free to grab the sqlite DBs I have with precise history (that's why I've been running it)
[21:00] <awsoonn> how can I find what package provided a specific file?
[21:01] <Pici> awsoonn: 1) this isn't a support channel, use #ubuntu, 2) dpkg -S /path/to/file
[21:03] <awsoonn> Pici: I'm sorry I thought I was in the right place... I am trying to learn how to track down and fix a seg fault in bluetoothd. Should I still poke #ubuntu or is there a better place?
[21:04] <Pici> awsoonn: #ubuntu really would be the right place to ask, but I'm not sure you're going to find much help for a random kernel panic issue in either channel.
[21:06] <stgraber> slangasek: btw, while working on making ifenslave work with event based boot, I noticed that bridging is even more broken, so my home setup of eth0 + eth1 => bond0 => bond0.1000 + bond0.1020 with each of the bond0.XXXX being in a separate bridge explodes completely :)
[21:06] <awsoonn> Pici, have a better idea where to go for help?
[21:07] <stgraber> slangasek: only workaround for now is a nice sleep 5 in the boot sequence... guess I'll fix these once I'm done with ifenslave
[21:07] <maco> for a kernel panic, you'd probably want to file a bug
[21:07] <maco> as that's pretty clearly a bug
[21:07] <Pici> maco: thanks.
[21:07] <Pici> maco: but a segfault?
[21:07] <maco> not just user error, which is what tech support normally fixes :P
[21:07] <maco> segfaults are also bugs
[21:08] <maco> a command was used wrong in the code, or free() was called on the same variable twice, or a variable was read from without being initialized first...
[21:08] <awsoonn> I've done so already, but I'm diving into fixing it myself and providing a patch. I'm wondering now what is the proper channel to ask for help when needed
[21:08] <maco> if you're making a patch, here is fine
[21:09] <maco> i dont know how many are around right now that could help you if you're having trouble with C or whatever though
[21:09] <maco> ##c may be useful
[21:10] <awsoonn> thanks maco, I've got a decent grasp on C, but the system archetecture is best learned by diving in no doubt. That's where I need  the most help. :P
[21:11] <awsoonn> I do get confused as to which IRC channels i should poke though, what's the differnce between -devel and -motu?
[21:12] <maco> motu is a bit more mentor-y and devel is a bit more "lets discuss decisions about direction blah blah"
[21:12] <maco> people in both *should* be able to help though
[21:12] <maco> there's also -packaging ;)
[21:13] <stgraber> slangasek: ah, and one other thing I've noticed that's going to be a lot of fun to deal with, you can't create vlans or bridge a bond that doesn't have any slave (as it doesn't have a mac address) :)
[21:13] <awsoonn> right-o, I think I'll start off in -motu from now on. yea? I wish I had known about -packaging.... I just spent two days figuring out the launchpad bzr and ppa systems and how to build my own pkg from scratch...
[21:14] <maco> yeah motu's a good place for "halp! i'm trying to contribute, but...."
[21:15] <awsoonn> well, thanks maco I'll make the jump now. :D
[22:42] <stgraber> slangasek, SpamapS, Daviey: So that's my new problem when dealing with event based boot and complex network configuration... http://paste.ubuntu.com/754234/ (currently only bit that doesn't seem racy is my new ifenslave, sadly it only showed that the rest is broken too)
[23:02] <broder> is anybody looking into/planning to multiarch-ify the gtkmm stack?
[23:03] <TheMuso> broder: Has Debisn started to do it?
[23:04] <broder> TheMuso: doesn't look like it
[23:04] <TheMuso> broder: ah ok
[23:05] <broder> i'd kind of like to see it done for precise, and could probably drive it, but don't want to step on anybody's toes
[23:06] <broder> ...although now that i think about it, my use case may not require the libraries being co-installable, so i could probably just remove the local arch gtkmm packages and install the foreign arch ones
[23:06] <broder> but i can try to do it anyway


[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> Iarfhlaith: DVD installation media is not recommended for upgrades, since it doesn't not contain a complete set of packages. If there is no upgraded package on the DVD, the configuration found on the old system will be wiped out.
[18:17] <matjam> dfrey: got a usb stick you can boot off? :-)
[18:17] <qwefytuiityty> if cpu xeon 12- 16 core wayland norm.
[18:18] <Iarfhlaith> pragmaticenigma: Okay, thanks, I'll organise internet connection and do an online upgrade.
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Do you have a support question? If so please ask it, in a complete sentence, with as many details as you can, all on one line.
[18:19] <matjam> I feel like english isn't his first language and maybe he's using google translate and we're getting lost in translation.
[18:20] <matjam> qwefytuiityty: what is your native language?
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> !ru | qwefytuiityty
[18:21] <matjam> pragmaticenigma: good call
[18:21] <qwefytuiityty> i know ubuntu - mate = ubuntu = debian, but Ubuntu-Mate no wayland for drawing window's
[18:22] <Fe11_> morning all
[18:22] <matjam> morning Fe11_
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: The desktop manager for Ubuntu-MATE does not support Wayland
[18:23] <leftyfb> !ru | qwefytuiityty
[18:24] <qwefytuiityty> if me need ubuntu-ru, i write on ubuntu-ru, not ubuntu
[18:25] <dfrey> I just noticed another thing.  When I am in the recovery menu, it says "Recovery Menu (filesystem state: read-only)",
[18:25] <matjam> dfrey: yeah as it should I think
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: We are attempting to offer you another option for support, were there may be people who speak your native language. We are not forcing you to go there. But we are having difficulty understanding what you are saying here.
[18:27] <Iarfhlaith> I'm off. Thanks again nacc & pragmaticenigma.
[18:32] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: to repeat the answer to your qyestion earlier: The desktop manager for Ubuntu-MATE does not support Wayland
[18:36] <mikeymop> https://hastebin.com/civobadubi.pl
[18:36] <mikeymop> 0.0
[18:37] <iodev> ahh, perl, ureadahead :D
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> mikeymop: Do you have a question?
[18:39] <qwefytuiityty> as far as I know, the next release of Ubuntu ( next year ) will be with wayland or am I have wrong info?
[18:41] <matjam> you're trying to install an ARM64 package on an intel/amd machine. Thats not going to work.
[18:41] <matjam> mikeymop: ^
[18:41] <Claire235> lols
[18:42] <qwefytuiityty> am I = I'm
[18:42] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, already 18.04 ubuntu got option for wayland
[18:44] <qwefytuiityty> 18.04 no but 19.04 have )))
[18:46] <Claire235> qwefytuiityty 18.10?
[18:47] <superduperman> hey! kubuntu sddm doesnt load after distro update to 18.04
[18:47] <guest-vacybw> yeeee
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: We don't know what the future releases of Ubuntu-MATE will support. That is up to the developers that maintain Ubuntu-MATE. As of today, the only information I have seen was some discussion that it might happen, but nothing confirms it.
[18:48] <guest-vacybw> hello
[18:48] <guest-vacybw> how are you
[18:48] <superduperman> it just says /dev/sda1 clean
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: and that discussion took place in 2016
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | guest-vacybw
[18:48] <superduperman> does anyone recognize this?
[18:48] <superduperman> what can i do?
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | superduperman
[18:49] <qwefytuiityty> wayland is scheduled for ubuntu in next year, maybe this 18.10
[18:49] <guest-vacybw> i'm sorry
[18:49] <superduperman> i'm sorry too
[18:49] <guest-vacybw> what do you do?
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> guest-vacybw: Do you have a support related question about Ubuntu?
[18:50] <guest-vacybw> i'm bored
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Unless you can provide us with a link to where you found that information, we cannot trust that information as being official.
[18:50] <guest-vacybw> tu eres tonto o +
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> guest-vacybw: Please leave. This is not a chat channel
[18:51] <josean66> how come funcional ubuntu 18.0?
[18:51] <guest-vacybw> gilipolla
[18:51] <guest-vacybw> tio, tengo un problema con mis amigos, tenemos que salvar el mundo pero nadie nos cree
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ohmy | guest-vacybw
[18:52] <josean66> alguien sabe configurar vps para server?
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> sabes que soy un dios griego
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | guest-vacybw : foul-language
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> y mi amigo es thor
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> aunque sea nordico le queremos igual
[18:52] <guest-vacybw> hablar coño!
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | guest-vacybw
[18:53] <backnforth> Hi, how do I configure php-fpm for use with Ubuntu 18.04?
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdas
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <guest-0enjkc> asdfasdf
[18:54] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, again already 18.04 ubuntu got option gnome for wayland
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | again for guest-0enjkc , please ban ,
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> thank you Pici
[18:55] <Claire235> so... what di i miss
[18:55] <Pici> stuff, things
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> Claire235: as was mentioned before, this is not a chat channel. If you have a support related question, please ask. If you would like to offer help to others, please wait until someone asks a question you know the answer to
[18:57] <pragmaticenigma> backnforth: We aren't able to help configure applications as what you need the application to do varies from user to user. If you have specific questions about options in the configuration, we can help with that
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> ledeni: qwer was asking about Ubuntu-MATE, not the general released version Ubuntu
[18:58] <qwefytuiityty> not trust me, no problem fot this. Go in internet and searching maybe i wrong. Standart installation Ubuntu 18.04 using x11 or wayland?
[18:59] <qwefytuiityty> using = uses
[18:59] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Ubuntu offers support for wayland as Ubuntu uses the Gnome desktop manager. Ubuntu-MATE uses a different desktop manager that does not currently support wayland. Ubuntu-MATE was created to gives users the ability to keep the familiar Gnome2 desktop.
[19:00] <qwefytuiityty> Mir?
[19:01] <ledeni> qwefytuiityty, default is x11 but you can choose wayland
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: Mir and Unity projects have both been abandonded by Ubuntu developers. They have moved to community supported forks, but will no longer be offered in Ubuntu
[19:02] <qwefytuiityty> for virtul machine default need x11 for speed.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> Wayland is also not supported by Nvidia graphics drivers
[19:03] <qwefytuiityty> but next year default planed wayland, no gpu aceleration big cpu load in virtul machine
[19:04] <pragmaticenigma> qwefytuiityty: I'm sorry, but this discussion is no longer support related. Please take the discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:06] <TheWild> hello
[19:07] <TheWild> Unity has a tools to work with bluetooth, but I would like to do it from command line and have no clue how. I'm currently on i3-wm.
[19:07] <ioria> hcitool
[19:09] <qwefytuiityty> not need, I've said what I wanted.
[19:09] <TheWild> "hcitool scan" immediately prints "Device is not available: No such device".
[19:09] <TheWild> when I was in Unity, I turned bluetooth off and now no idea how to turn it on from command line.
[19:10] <DocPlatypus> TheWild: try 'bluetoothctl' and then 'power on'
[19:14] <TheWild> bluetoothctl claims "No default controller available"
[19:14] <SimonNL> TheWild: rfkill unblock all
[19:14] <TheWild> "show" command the same. "list" prints nothing
[19:15] <SimonNL> rfkill list all      to see if blocked
[19:16] <TheWild> nothing is blocked and good sign: bluetooth is listed
[19:16] <TheWild> ^ on rfkill list all
[19:16] <TheWild> yay, bluetoothctl also lists it now :O
[19:17] <crypticGator> after updating to 18.04 I have issues with android studio 'KVM is required to run this AVD /dev/kvm device:permission denied'
[19:18] <TheWild> okay SimonNL, thank you very much. Now when BT is unblocked, I'll have fun with bluetoothctl and try to send something to my phone.
[19:19] <leftyfb> crypticGator: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/37300811/android-studio-dev-kvm-device-permission-denied  first result on google for "/dev/kvm device:permission denied"
[19:19] <TheWild> DocPlatypus: thank you too
[19:19] <SimonNL> TheWild: have fun
[19:22] <crypticGator> Thanks leftyfb I saw that page but ran into the problem on the #1 answer. I have no kvm group
[19:22] <jurgentje> Hi, I'm trying to install couchdb on my system (Ubuntu 18.04 64 bits desktop) but for some reason, I can't find a candidate. Even the official PPA only appears to go up to Zesty. Any one has experience with couchdb?
[19:22] <leftyfb> crypticGator: do you have libvirt-bin installed?
[19:23] <leftyfb> !info couchdb
[19:23] <crypticGator> I just installed that
[19:23] <crypticGator> I'm checking if it works
[19:24] <leftyfb> crypticGator: after installing libvirt-bin, you might need to add yourself to the kvm group
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> !info python-couchdb
[19:27] <Bashing-om> !info couchapp
[19:27] <ioria> jurgentje, seems dropped on bionic
[19:31] <crypticGator> damn, leftyfb . how'd you know that? I was able to add my self to that group. but I just the issue persists. I recall that I installed it under /usr/local/android-studio
[19:32] <crypticGator> could that be a problem as well? since the guide said do sudo mv downloads/android-studio /usr/local/android-studio operative word SUDO
[19:34] <Rumen> Hello there -  I have a issue with missing icons in Bionic with Comminity Theme. In top bar in most of the cases Dropbox, Skype, Mega and Classic Menu Indicator missing. Sometimes the a loded, but very rearly. Does anybody can help me fix that?
[19:38] <crypticGator> i'm going to restart see if it does anything
[19:42] <ioria> Rumen, i know that Community team is not completed yet; you can try to install libappindicator1 and restart , but it's a wild guess
[19:42] <crypticGator> I'm back, restarting worked.
[19:46] <Rumen> Thank you I will give it a try
[19:47] <Rumen> Actrually I have it and is the newest version - libappindicator1 is already the newest version (12.10.1+18.04.20180322.1-0ubuntu1).
[19:51] <mattfly> hi
[19:52] <mattfly> can anyone report a bug to me or help me to report? after a fresh install of ubuntu hibernation works, after installing nvidia-384 s2disk freezes
[19:53] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: this article will help you with submitting a bug report: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:53] <mattfly> but i dont know how to do that
[19:53] <mattfly> if i run aport with s2disk my system will freeze it is not a crash and then i need to force a reboot
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Did you go to the website?
[19:54] <mattfly> yes
[19:55] <mattfly> as far as i see to use ubuntu-bug i need to run the process with it?
[19:56] <mattfly> well if i run ubuntu-bug s2disk it tells me the package is not installed
[19:56] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: You did not read the entire page
[19:56] <mattfly> is that a bug with ubuntu-bug?
[19:57] <impi> hi hi
[19:57] <mattfly> this thing is making too hard about the problem, what is a place i can write about this and then someone could read and report the bug ?
[19:57] <impi> ubuntu 18.04 / gnome 3 user
[19:57] <impi> i7 / 16gb laptop and my laptop is unsuable
[19:57] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Please read the entire page, from top to bottom, it tells you everything you need to know about filing a bug report
[19:57] <impi> where do i start looking?
[19:58] <confluency> What does "is unusable" mean?
[19:58] <impi> it means that, on 16.,04 i was flying. on 18.04 i cant_use_it
[19:58] <mattfly> what if i am a newbie and dont know nothing about whats written on that page?
[19:58] <impi> lag,. slowness, unsuable
[19:59] <impi> im only using 5gb / 16
[19:59] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: there are no shortcuts in life, the page needs to be read. Then we can continue with questions.... (I am staring at the exact scenario within that page at this very moment that has the answer to your question.)
[19:59] <impi> so it must be something else, but it's an embarresment to ubuntu / gnome 3
[20:00] <mattfly> yeah but this way 90% of ubuntu problems wont get reported if you expec everyone having any kind of issue read that whole page
[20:00] <mattfly> only developers will report
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: No, I'm telling you were the documentation exists for how to submit a bug report. There is a lot of important information. You need to read that page, find the scenario that fits your situation and follow the steps.
[20:02] <Rumen> Changed the theme ... restated  ..... nothing changed. Again most icons missing.
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: In the amount of time you have spent complaining and not reading, you would have already found how to submit the bug report
[20:02] <mattfly> no im reading and its almost finished the bug report
[20:02] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: That didn't make anysense
[20:03] <mattfly> im thinking on the situation of someone who just came to linux world and only uses it for browsing, and so on, but finds a problem and comes here and you tell this person to read that page...
[20:03] <mattfly> anyway nevermind
[20:04] <talntid> when attempting to install Ubuntu 18.04, the installer screen just has a messed up view and can't read anything....
[20:04] <talntid> nvidia GTX 960 video card
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: So you're telling me the hardwork of volunteers to maintain a set of standardized documentation to ensure bug reports are filed correctly with complete information is a complete waste of time? Instead you want a short cut to post a bug report, that will waste time because it is incomplete.
[20:04] <talntid> is there still poor support for decent video cards?
[20:04] <codelion> hi
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: What is that supposed to mean?
[20:05] <talntid> pragmaticenigma, what part?
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> sorry talntid ... I didn't see the whole post. Please avoid using enter for punctuation and try to type everything in the same line.
[20:05] <mattfly> there should be the complicated and the easy way
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: I've pointed you in the direction you need... there is no other path to take
[20:06] <mattfly> the complicated and deep and detailed way with a huge documentation and also the easy way
[20:06] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: can you describe "messed up view and can't read anything"
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: Because you whine so much: Here are the steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Create_a_Launchpad_account, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Determine_if_the_bug_is_really_a_bug, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Perform_a_survey_of_your_problem, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net
[20:08] <mattfly> hahaha
[20:08] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: reporting a bug that has already been reported wastes everyones time, there are specific steps to follow to make sure you're not just created more work for the developers to trouble shoot and fix, when they may have already fixed the problem. That's why I sent you there.
[20:09] <mattfly> no, im researching about this one since a long time and its still not reported, my problem with hibernation happens after installing nvidia drivers
[20:11] <talntid> pragmaticenigma basically, i put in livecd, and grubloader prompts me to run the OS, so I do (from the livecd)... but when it is booting into the OS, instead of having proper things on the screen, it looks like a ton of super tiny text, but not able to be read, and it flashes and has all sorts of alignment issues, is the only way i really know how to explain it
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> mattfly: It won't get any attention without a proper bug report, which will require some effort on your part. If you aren't willing to go through the effort of reading that article, then how can I know you're going to go through the effort of being an active participant in troubleshooting the bug. The truth is, I run a machine with an Nvidia card, and have not experienced any issues like you have described.
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> Therefore, it will need you to know and provide enough information for a developer to triage and determine what is the potential problem.
[20:12] <Jdjsks> I just installed Ubuntu 18.02 and the login screen won't work
[20:13] <Jdjsks> It keeps freezing and reloading
[20:13] <Claire235> Jdsks is the cursor an X
[20:13] <talntid> Jdjsks, ctrl+alt+f1, do you get a terminal?
[20:13] <Jdjsks> The cursor is not an x
[20:14] <Jdjsks> F1 won't get terminal
[20:14] <Jdjsks> I'M logged in with terminal in f3
[20:14] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: try using nomodeset at grub/boot menu
[20:14] <talntid> ok, so if login works there, go to the /var/log
[20:14] <Jdjsks> Ok I'm there
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> talntid: A note, with Ubuntu 18.04 tty1 is now the desktop, instead of tty7
[20:15] <talntid> and look at the logs there - auth.log and messages
[20:15] <talntid> pragmaticenigma, roger that. thanks :) I'll try nomodeset
[20:16] <D_A_N> Hello friends, today, I was on 16.04 ubuntu and it froze so I had to power down the machine, I'm wondering if there's any sensitive info in my log folder, I was going to upload it to google drive and find out if I could get some help
[20:18] <Jdjsks> What am I looking for in with.log
[20:18] <D_A_N> The screen froze and so I had to physically power down the server
[20:19] <D_A_N> https://pastebin.com/dg0cW8Cz
[20:20] <Jdjsks> Ok I found this: gnome-keyring-daemon[1333]: couldn't access control socket /run/user/120/keyring/control no such file or directory
[20:21] <Jdjsks> I'M gonna try booting without the gpu
[20:22] <D_A_N> What do you mean
[20:22] <D_A_N> I installed the proprietary nvidia driver, maybe that's it
[20:22] <Jdjsks> Disconnected it
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> D_A_N: I don't believe Jdjsks is responding to your question
[20:23] <Jdjsks> No in not, sry
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> D_A_N: only you would be able to know what's in your log file that you deem is sensitive. Main thing to search for would be passwords and you any public internet IP addresses
[20:24] <Jdjsks> Gnome is fucked in just gonna install xubuntu
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> Jdjsks: please mind the language, this is a family friendly channel
[20:24] <nacc> Jdjsks: please watch your language in the channel, please.
[20:25] <Jdjsks> K
[20:26] <Rumen> Any other idea please?
[20:28] <zaur> ping
[20:28] <genos> wow
[20:29] <genos> how do i change the size of the lengend/key in gnuplot. why is this so hard?
[20:29] <genos> not the font the points
[20:29] <genos> anyone?
[20:29] <nacc> genos: did you see if there is a gnuplot channel?
[20:29] <genos> anyone?
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: The apps that you reported on are all 3rd party applications provided by outside vendors. It may take them a bit to catch up with the new realease and provide icons in the expected locations for appindicator to find. You could try reinstalling the snaps, to see if that resolves the issue.
[20:30] <genos> nacc: i asked there too. its dead af.
[20:30] <genos> nacc: can you help?
[20:30] <nacc> genos: abbreviating offensive language is no less offensive, please avoid it in the channel. I'm looking.
[20:30] <genos> lmao
[20:30] <genos> ok
[20:30] <genos> can you help?
[20:31] <nacc> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7580272/how-to-set-key-font-size-in-gnuplot
[20:31] <nacc> took all of one google search :)
[20:31] <genos> no. not the font. the points. like i said earlier
[20:31] <genos> nacc:
[20:31] <genos> the point size
[20:31] <Rumen> I have just login in simple gnome desktop - there the icons missing as well - without Community theme
[20:31] <nacc> genos: what do you mean by points? you mean the circles or whatever?
[20:31] <genos> nacc: yeah the dots
[20:32] <genos> nacc: so you can plot a line or you can plot as points. I want to plot as points and make the points in the legend bigger.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> Rumen: It's not necassarily the theme... It's a common issue where the indicator icons are not displayed. Often it resolves when the app developer provides an update
[20:32] <nacc> genos: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12310236/gnuplot-increase-size-of-point-only-in-legend-key ?
[20:32] <Rumen> I also have Comunity theme installed on Xorg. There the problem is the same
[20:33] <Ubuntu_Broken_He> Hi, ive just installed 18.04 worked great but i tried to log in as a wayland client and got a "sorry that didn't work" so i logged in as a xorg, and now i can only get a purple screen with a white cursor and i have to hard reset, help please
[20:33] <genos> nacc: checking, laggy af internet
[20:33] <nacc> genos: seriously, please stop abbreviating offensive language.
[20:34] <Rumen> Ahaaa OK, but what can be the reason one time to load, other time not? And why all icons missing? If the issue is with the Mega or Dropbox it should not be a probel for the Skype - for example .... but they all missing!
[20:35] <genos> nacc: as fish? brb
[20:37] <kritterr> HP Chromebook 14, Bionic Beaver, no sound. alsamixer shows two sound cards, HDA Intel PCH and chtmax98090. Everything unmuted.
[20:38] <Claire235> kritterr have you tried testing them with the app
[20:38] <kritterr> Settings shows dummy output and nothing else.
[20:39] <kritterr> Which app?
[20:39] <Claire235> ok
[20:41] <Claire235> go to settings/sound click an output device, at the bottom it should show a button that says "test speakers"
[20:42] <kritterr> Only output device is dummy output, no sound upon test. Am presently reinstalling alsa/pulse.
[20:42] <rorro> Ok. So I have a small issue. I am running ubuntu 16.04 and when I try to drag a window up to the top left corner I can't move it all the way up there. Here is an example of it in action. https://streamable.com/8d9ef
[20:43] <rorro> I have super key + mouse to force move the window, that's how I move it to the top left corner.
[20:43] <rorro> But as soon as the window gets resized or moved a little, it snaps out
[20:43] <leftyfb> rorro: which desktop environment is that?
[20:44] <Exterminador> hello there. is there any web admin application like Webmin for Ubuntu? someone said that Webmin isn't very safe..
[20:44] <ash_work> whats the recommended way to install skype and team-viewer?
[20:45] <rorro> leftyfb, unity
[20:45] <leftyfb> rorro: that does not look like Unity to me
[20:45] <leftyfb> rorro: there's no bar on the left and the window decoration is different
[20:45] <leftyfb> nm, there is a bar, I see
[20:46] <leftyfb> rorro: Is that the only application that this happens to
[20:46] <rorro> leftyfb, I'm using numix icons and that specific window has a custom window thing
[20:47] <leftyfb> toto_: it looks like that application "hides" the window decoration but it's still there and will still collide with the edge
[20:47] <rorro> leftyfb, I'm trying to find more applications that do that
[20:47] <rorro> But it feels like it only happens when an application has a custom window chroma
[20:47] <leftyfb> rorro: I'm going to guess this is a problem with that particular application and not ubuntu
[20:51] <kritterr> HP Chromebook 14, Bionic Beaver, no sound. alsamixer shows two sound cards, HDA Intel PCH and chtmax98090. Everything unmuted. aplay does not produce sound, but generates this error:
[20:51] <leftyfb> !repeat | kritterr
[20:52] <mark76> I just upgraded to 18:04 and now my computer is dead.  I can't even get a ttyl
[20:52] <kritterr> Sorry, felt like I ought to update as to what was going on
[20:52] <vlt> Hello. How can I tell a program (like mplayer) where and how big to draw its window?
[21:00] <nacc> Exterminador: no web admin panel is particularly safe
[21:01] <nacc> Kristine: what error? (your message had no extra info)
[21:01] <nacc> marlinc: did you try all the F* keys?
[21:01] <nacc> (ctrl+alt+F*)
[21:01] <nacc> ash_work: skype is available as a snap, I believe
[21:01] <nacc> ash_work: not sure on team viewer, never used it
[21:04] <dmarr> i have a samsung monitor with a built in webcam, but when i try to run cheese it isn't found. anyone know if i need to connect via displayport to get that to be recognized?
[21:07] <genos> nacc: ......
[21:07] <genos> ...........
[21:08] <genos> nacc: ok that example sort of worked, but this sux.
[21:08] <genos> nacc: and ty>.>
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> dmarr  is this usefeul (14.04) https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/243753/ubuntu-14-04-built-in-webcam-not-being-detected
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> dmarr  scroll down, it advices to simply purge and reinstall cheese
[21:11] <dmarr> thanks MonkeyDust unfort that didn't work
[21:11] <dmarr> i'm not seeing anything at /dev/video* or showing up under lsmod
[21:11] <dmarr> i do have the monitor connected via usb and dvi
[21:12] <dmarr> lsusb*
[21:12] <Budgii> I'm trying to remember how to make a file be marked as executable.. it's a .jar, i think it's chmod++?
[21:13] <MonkeyDust> Budgii  chmod +x
[21:13] <vlt> vlt: mplayer has a -geometry option
[21:16] <Budgii> MonkeyDust, cd location ; chmod +x myfile.jar?
[21:17] <Budgii> ah, there was a space in the name. quotes fixed it.   I want to copy some files from my home folder onto a USB drive so that I can reinstall a previous version of Ubuntu without losing Firefox passwords and stuff but I keep being denied
[21:20] <Li> out of all the ubuntu designers & evelopers I want to see the fucker who decided to make bluetooth on by default and make such a big fuss to disable it!
[21:21] <joebobjoe> what is gcc-doc? I installed build-essential and man gcc works just fine
[21:21] <mark76> Never mind,  solved by opening file manager as root
[21:23] <Exterminador> nacc: I know web admin panels aren't particularly safe. I was wondering if there's some other more advisable
[21:23] <nacc> Li: please watch your language in the channel.
[21:23] <nacc> Exterminador: to admin systems?
[21:23] <mark76> Does anyone know why 18.04 doesn't work on AMD64 systems?
[21:23] <DeusExMaximum> I hooked my laptop up to my tv via hdmi cable but none of the hdmi channels will show my computer screen. Any ideas? I'm running ubuntu 16.04. Do I need to install something?
[21:23] <genos> nacc: swearing is part of the 4 fundamental freedums
[21:24] <Exterminador> nacc: is more to create/delete databases and stuff (I'm not comfortable with CLI commands to PostgreSQL and MySQL).
[21:24] <nacc> mark76: it defintely does work.
[21:25] <mark76> Not on mine
[21:25] <nacc> genos: please read the channel guidelines.
[21:25] <mark76> Nothing but black screem
[21:25] <mark76> Not even a tty
[21:25] <DeusExMaximum> Wait. I need to go to display settings and select mirrored display, apparently.
[21:25] <nacc> mark76: try 'nomodeset' ?
[21:25] <Vic2> Ubuntu 14.04 ... am wanting to install pear so that php can send emails via a remote smtp server ... any guidance as to which packages need to be installed?
[21:26] <mark76> I can't.   I can get the boot options screen
[21:28] <joebobjoe> ah ok. I figured it out. gcc-doc includes the info pages for gcc
[21:28] <joebobjoe> the man pages are included with gcc
[21:28] <nacc> mark76: ok, edit the entry and add nomodeset
[21:28] <mark76> But I'm not sure that's what you mean
[21:29] <mark76> That just allows you to choose whether you want to boot straight from the HDD or from another medium like a CD ROM or a USB memory stick
[21:30] <mark76> Like I'm doing now
[21:31] <mark76> Does that sound like Grub nacc ?
[21:33] <nacc> mark76: no, that's your BIOS menu
[21:33] <nddipiazza> hi all! dealing with an OOM killer when "free" says I have plenty of memory.
[21:33] <nddipiazza> i have the kernel log and i'm trying to decipher what the heck is going on here. i'm confused because "free" tells me i have 16 gigs free
[21:34] <mark76> Right.  So chances are I may not have Grub
[21:34] <nddipiazza> i i have 0 swap on my system. is that normal to have Free tell me i have memory that i really don't? using vm ware too so maybe that is related
[21:34] <mark76> I'll check when I've finished transferring these files
[21:37] <genos> nacc: what would stallman-sama say
[21:39] <nacc> genos: please stay ontopic.
[21:39] <nacc> mark76: you have grub, it's the bootloader in Ubuntu.
[21:39] <mark76> Hmm
[21:39] <nacc> mark76: when you boot from you usb, hit escape shortly thereafter
[21:39] <nacc> nddipiazza: use a pastebin and show us the oom killer log
[21:39] <mark76> Ah right
[21:39] <nacc> nddipiazza: having memory free now is irrelevant to when the oom killer ran (it might have freed your memory)
[21:39] <mark76> What about if I boot from the hard drive?  The one with 18.04 on it
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: if you have no swap, and you get anywhere near your memory limit, then you can OOM
[21:40] <mark76> That's not working
[21:40] <nacc> mark76: yes, also grub
[21:40] <nddipiazza> nacc: customer just let me know it is RHEL on VMWare. :( would you still be willing to look or should i head over to #rhel ?
[21:40] <Vic2> when installing php-pear I get the following:  WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[21:40] <Vic2>
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: no thank you :)
[21:40] <nacc> nddipiazza: feel free to talk to RH for support
[21:40] <mark76> We'll see
[21:40] <nddipiazza> yep good idea
[21:41] <nacc> Vic2: use a pastebin.
[21:41] <mark76> Okay, my file transfers are finished
[21:41] <mark76> BBL
[21:42] <DeusExMaximum> Guys, I'm trying to connect to my tv via hdmi cable. Both hdmi channels aren't showing anything despite being plugged in. The only thing I haven't tried yet (and don't know how to do, as there isn't any option on the remote that controls the tv settings), is change the tv pixel-per-inch ratio to fit my laptop. Is that the thing that's keeping this from working?
[21:43] <Vic2> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6cr48fCTCK/
[21:44] <nddipiazza> random linux question. how does one decipher this kernel msg?
[21:44] <nddipiazza> "May 10 11:52:38  kernel: [24885835.425383] Killed process 23686 (java) total-vm:156898356kB, anon-rss:3088892kB, file-rss:4418612kB"
[21:45] <nddipiazza> because 1255.186848Gb is obviously way more memory than i had
[21:45] <nddipiazza> do divide that by 8 to get the real value?
[21:46] <D_A_N> Can anyone have a look at this question I posted on Stackoverflow and possible spare some advice? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50281102/ubuntu-keeps-freezing-crashing
[21:46] <nacc> Vic2: apt-cache policy php-pear
[21:46] <nacc> nddipiazza: total-vm is virtual memory size
[21:46] <nacc> nddipiazza: why would you divide by 8?
[21:46] <nddipiazza> nacc: desperateness
[21:47] <nddipiazza> oh virtual memory size meaning hard isk
[21:47] <nacc> nddipiazza: java on your system was using 149GgB of virtual memory
[21:47] <nacc> nddipiazza: ... virtual memory has nothing to do with your hard disk
[21:47] <nddipiazza> holy shit.
[21:47] <compdoc> you mean swap?
[21:47] <nddipiazza> nacc: i wouldn't have imagined i had that even close to that
[21:48] <nacc> nddipiazza: it's *virtual*
[21:48] <nddipiazza> ohhhh
[21:48] <nddipiazza> nacc: so it tried to get that much and failed
[21:48] <nacc> nddipiazza: if you are on a 64-bit process, you have 2^64 bits of address space to consume
[21:48] <nacc> *processor
[21:48] <nacc> give or take some reservations by the kernel, etc.
[21:49] <nacc> it used just under 3gB of actual memory
[21:49] <nacc> err, maybe more than that
[21:49] <nacc> RSS is actual in-memory usage (Resident Set Size)
[21:49] <nacc> nddipiazza: you may want to read a Linux basics book, though, if you want to actually dig into this
[21:50] <Vic2> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xPX84XdJhR/
[21:50] <nddipiazza> nacc: i have a few i could give them a gander. i never usually have to get into this much of the weeds
[21:50] <nddipiazza> i'm still dumbfounded by the fact that my 32Gb virtual machine has 149Gb of virtual memory
[21:51] <nacc> nddipiazza: virtual physical memory are not really related
[21:51] <nacc> *virtual and physical
[21:51] <nacc> obviously they are somehwat, but one is a software construct
[21:52] <nacc> Vic2: 1) you are using a PPA; 2) You didn't get the PPAs key, when you added the PPA and thus are vulnerable to MITM attacks
[21:52] <nddipiazza> right right. but if my program requested that much virtual memory when it should have a max of 6Gb, that sounds like a problem
[21:52] <nacc> nddipiazza: typically called a memory leak
[21:52] <Vic2> nacc:  Ubuntu repositories, no?  So how can I correct?
[21:53] <nacc> Vic2: no. you are using a PPA
[21:53] <nacc> Vic2: read line 7 of your paste
[21:54] <Vic2> nacc:  yep, I see that now ... working on a server I do not usually maintain, someone else does.  How do I go about getting the key?
[21:55] <nacc> Vic2: equally important you are using the wrong PPA for ondrej
[21:55] <nacc> Vic2: i'm pretty sure that PPA no longer exists (the one configured on the system)
[21:56] <nacc> Vic2: but i have no idea in this case
[21:57] <mark76> Hi nacc.  I managed to get Grub and then when I tried to use nomodeset in a commandline I got this https://imgur.com/gM1sFnL
[21:57] <Vic2> ok nacc ... ty.
[21:57] <vasanth> i am on ubuntu 16.04 lts (xenial) - the screen resolution does not recognize the maximum capable by the display - any tips for me to fix this?
[21:57] <mark76> That's a screenshot of the actual monitor
[21:58] <D_A_N> vasanth: Install proprietary gpu drivers
[21:59] <mark76> One thought.  The upgrade removed my nvidia driver.  Should it have replaced it with Noveau?
[22:00] <nacc> mark76: sorry, that's not quite how you do it
[22:00] <nacc> !nomodeset | mark76
[22:04] <mark76> I have to add nomodeset to a file?
[22:04] <Thedarkb> I just put an atheros wifi card in my other laptop.
[22:04] <Thedarkb> How do I make Ubuntu see it?
[22:04] <pavlos> Thedarkb: lsusb should list the card
[22:05] <mark76> Can I edit my main hard drive grub file from here?
[22:05] <mark76> So I don't have to remember all that stuff
[22:06] <Thedarkb> pavlos, it's mini PCI
[22:06] <Thedarkb> not express.
[22:06] <Thedarkb> Just plain PCI
[22:06] <pavlos> Thedarkb: then lspci
[22:07] <Thedarkb> Not showing up
[22:07] <Thedarkb> It's probably dead.
[22:07] <pavlos> Thedarkb: do you know how to pastebin?
[22:08] <genii> Some laptop cards plug into the miniPCI but have an internal USB bridge.
[22:08] <Thedarkb> Not showing up on lsusb either.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> That's more of a pcie thing anyway
[22:09] <genii> Thedarkb: So you might want to see if it shows up in lsusb if it's not showing in lspci
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's probably dead tbh
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Ugh oh
[22:09] <pavlos> Thedarkb: is there a model# for this mini pci ?
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Err
[22:09] <Thedarkb> Right
[22:09] <Thedarkb> I can't get the card out.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's fouling on the chassis.
[22:09] <Thedarkb> It's slightly longer than my old one.
[22:10] <Thedarkb> and it won't come out.
[22:11] <pavlos> Thedarkb: laptop model?
[22:11] <genii> Thedarkb: Did the machine it was in before have some hardware killswitch for the wifi?
[22:12] <genii> killswitch/on-off switch
[22:12] <Thedarkb> None
[22:12] <Thedarkb> IBM X40
[22:12] <Thedarkb> A fine XP era battlestation.
[22:12] <genii> heh
[22:13] <Thedarkb> got the card out
[22:14] <joseph> ello
[22:14] <joseph> hi
[22:14] <joseph> how r u
[22:16] <pavlos> Thedarkb: it has a pcmcia slot
[22:16] <Thedarkb> A broken one.
[22:16] <Thedarkb> pavlos, https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HkAHFrR.jpg
[22:16] <Thedarkb> as you can see, the card is a bit long for the chassis
[22:18] <Thedarkb> I know it says philips, it's a rebrand.
[22:20] <pavlos> Thedarkb: if the gold connectors dont match (there is a notch), then look for an intel card
[22:20] <Thedarkb> It fitted in
[22:20] <Thedarkb> getting it out was a bastard
[22:20] <Thedarkb> When it was booting the BIOS was clever enough to replace the Centrino logo with a Pentium M logo
[22:21] <Thedarkb> nice touch imo
[22:22] <pavlos> Thedarkb: the card goes in at 45 degrees, then the 2 metal things snap it in.
[22:23] <pavlos> Thedarkb: you know all this ... sorry for the ramble
[22:26] <mak76> nacc.  I cannot get a tty and grub doesn't recognise the command sudo update-grub
[22:26] <dmarr> i have a camera im exposing via `motion`. i can connect to it over http in a browser. i can't seem to add it as an ip cam though with synology surveillance station
[22:27] <mak76>  I cannot get 18.04 to work
[22:28] <mak76> nacc
[22:28] <mak76> Unless there's some way to update my main system grub from here I'll have to reinstall the older system and ignore 18.04
[22:30] <superman39> Installed 18.04, Installed nvidia drivers... now I get "extension "GLX" missing on display ":0"." -- any ideas? this is a desktop with a GTX 960 card in it
[22:30] <mak76> Also,  I edited the usr/etc/grub file on my hard drive from from the live session
[22:31] <mak76> Shouldn't that have updated the grub file when I saved it?
[22:31] <mak76> etc/defaults/grub
[22:31] <genii> No
[22:32] <genii> It needs sudo update-grub to be run while chrooted into the system it's supposed to take effect on
[22:32] <mak76> Okay.  So I need to access that system from here since I cannot get a command line in the system itself
[22:33] <genii> mak76: Why can't you enter the grub CLI during boot and add it there ?
[22:33] <genii> ( and then do the permanent change after it actually boots )
[22:34] <mak76> Because the grub CLI doesn't recognise the command sudo update-grub genii
[22:34] <genii> mak76: No. I mean add whatever change you were trying to make to the kernel loading line before it boots
[22:35] <mak76> Because I wouldn't know where to add it
[22:35] <genii> At the end after the last thing
[22:35] <mak76> That sounds dangerous
[22:35] <mak76> I'm going to reinstall instead
[22:35] <genii> ...
[22:35] <tomreyn> chroot sounds like the better option to me
[22:36] <mak76> I can't get into chroot
[22:36] <tomreyn> because of the weather?
[22:36] <mak76> Alt Ctrl 1 does nothing with the system bricked like it is
[22:37] <genii> mak76: Did you try F1 instead of just 1 ?
[22:37] <mak76> Alt Ctrl F1.   Jesus christ keyboard
[22:37] <tomreyn> to get into chroot you'd boot from a live cd or usb stick and run a serious of commands to mount a couple devices, then run the chroot command to enter your actual permanent system installation
[22:37] <mak76> Anyway, the point is I cannot get a commandline
[22:38] <tomreyn> serious -> series
[22:39] <mak76> Okay. I'm running from a usb stick right now.   If I  press crtl alt f1 will I get what I want?
[22:39] <tomreyn> no
[22:39] <mak76> Then what do I do?
[22:39] <tomreyn> what is it that you are running from the usb stick right now?
[22:39] <mak76> My computer
[22:40] <tomreyn> which OS and version
[22:40] <mak76> Sorry, I mean, 1704
[22:40] <mak76> JESUS CHRIST
[22:40] <mak76> This keyboard is the pits
[22:40] <tomreyn> do you have an 18.04 usb stick, too?
[22:40] <mak76> 17.04
[22:40] <mak76> No
[22:40] <tomreyn> 17.04 is eol, i'm afraid
[22:41] <tomreyn> if you were to reinstall 18.04, how would you do it?
[22:42] <mak76> 17.04 is the last edition I downloaded
[22:43] <mak76> 17.10 was pretty straightforward
[22:43] <mak76> As an upgrade
[22:43] <mak76> If I can't get a proper tty then I don't really have any choice other than to reinstall, do I
[22:43] <tomreyn> mak76: i'm not sure whether recovering 18.04 from a 17.04 live stick will work, so i'd prefer not to try to guide you there.
[22:43] <Insider> I've installed unity on the 18.04 LTS I just cannot go on with Gnome yet :(
[22:43] <mak76> I don't want to reinstall 18.04 tomreyn. I don't want to install it at all
[22:44] <mak76> It obviously won't work with my computer so installing it would be a bad idea
[22:44] <tomreyn> mak76: ok, that's why i was evaluating your options of recovering your existing installation
[22:45] <tomreyn> mak76: ctrl-alt-f2 or -f3 doesn't get you a temrinal either?
[22:45] <Insider> oh, this thing happened to me to, tomreyn, nothing works
[22:46] <tomreyn> Insider: which thing?
[22:46] <mak76> None of them do
[22:46] <mak76> Just a black screen.  And yes the monitor is on
[22:46] <Insider> installation from 17.10 to 18.04 broke up my pc, lol
[22:46] <tomreyn> mak76: how about recovery boot?
[22:47] <Insider> but when did a fresh install of 18.04 everything worked just fine
[22:47] <tomreyn> Insider: okay, but this may or may not be related to what we're discussing here, now.
[22:47] <tomreyn> there are a lot fo ways things cuold break.
[22:47] <Insider> yes!
[22:47] <Insider> I agree!
[22:48] <tomreyn> so that alone doesn't allow us to say that you're in the very same situation, and so what you learnt when things did not work for you may not help mak76 now.
[22:49] <Insider> yes, it might be a totally different issue, I see!
[22:49] <Claire235> mak76 is the cursor an X
[22:50] <mak76> I think 18.04 has some kind of bug that stops it from working with older AMD64 chipsets
[22:51] <Claire235> wow
[22:51] <mak76> One last go and then reinstall
[22:53] <Thedarkb-X40> Well, I'm back with my old network card.
[22:53] <Insider> Is there any way to make windows integration is gnome as they were in Unity?
[22:54] <Insider> I am talking about avoiding those 3 rows of bar for firefox under the top bar.
[22:55] <kostkon> Insider, nope
[22:55] <metrum> Hello! I have just installed Ubuntu on my laptop besides Win 10. I shrinked the drive where I have the Win 10, and installed there. After the installer finished, it needed a restart, but now I dont see Ubuntu as an option in the bios or the boot menu,
[22:55] <Insider> hmmm!
[22:56] <kostkon> Insider, actually wait for the firefox update
[22:56] <kostkon> Insider, firefox 60 has support for csd
[22:57] <Insider> will do kostkon
[22:57] <Insider> hope it will
[22:58] <Insider> You need to give us more details metrum, do you have an UEFI installation?
[22:58] <metrum> yes i have
[22:58] <kostkon> Insider, it will probably arrive tomorrow
[22:58] <Insider> that would be great
[22:59] <kostkon> Insider, "Added an option for Linux users to show or hide page titles in a bar at the top of the browser. You’ll find the Title Bar option in the Customize panel available from the main browser menu."
[22:59] <kostkon> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/60.0/releasenotes/
[22:59] <Insider> thank you!
[22:59] <metrum> i shrinked 90 gb of my c drive, and in the ubuntu installer, i made an 11 gb of share and the remaining is ext4
[23:00] <Insider> you chose the option "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10" ?
[23:01] <gogeta> sounds like the manual option
[23:01] <metrum> nope, i chose the something else
[23:01] <gogeta> yep
[23:01] <Sven_vB> metrum, nowadays Ubuntu is quite good at using windows drives directly. just make sure your windows really shuts down (configurable in power settings).
[23:01] <metrum> thats what i have seen in tutorial videos
[23:01] <gogeta> metrum: yea hibernate can interfear
[23:02] <metrum> so installation is finished, but i am not seeing ubuntu in the boot loader which appears after pressing F12
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Last time I dual booted, I was using FAT32.
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Which Linux supports just fine.
[23:02] <Thedarkb-X40> Don't really know about NTFS
[23:02] <Sven_vB> NTFS works fine as well
[23:03] <Sven_vB> I often use it and had no problems yet
[23:03] <Insider> yes it works
[23:03] <Thedarkb-X40> I still format my removable drives as FAT32
[23:03] <Thedarkb-X40> Just in case.
[23:03] <metrum> what should i do now then?
[23:04] <Insider> metrum, just log in windows, open a "cmd" as administrator and type "powercfg.exe /hibernate off
[23:04] <Insider> without - " -
[23:05] <Sven_vB> metrum, no need to change anything, it's just an option you could consider to avoid needing a share partition.
[23:05] <metrum> so i wont be able to hibernate my windows? or can i turn it back in the future?
[23:05] <Insider> yes you can turn it back in the future
[23:06] <Insider> but it might interfere with your ubuntu installation, especially if they are both on the same partition
[23:06] <Sven_vB> metrum, when Windows is hibernated, Ubuntu might flinch from mounting the system partition in writeable mode.
[23:06] <metrum> okay, thanks for the help guys, I see what can i do
[23:07] <Sven_vB> metrum, that might be an argument to use a share partition as you originally planned.
[23:16] <whytrytofly> hello
[23:16] <whytrytofly> can anyone tell me how to install qtox on ubuntu 16
[23:17] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, what is qtox, what have you tried already, what turned out other than expected?
[23:18] <whytrytofly> ive tried https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=248447
[23:18] <Insider> https://askubuntu.com/questions/951031/how-can-i-install-qtox-on-kubuntu-17-04
[23:18] <whytrytofly> file is not on the server anymore
[23:20] <whytrytofly> really sad that ubuntu is not maintaining this piece of software anymore
[23:22] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, you can always opt to invest the effort of maintaining a PPA.
[23:22] <Sven_vB> or could pay someone to do it ;)
[23:23] <Insider> :)
[23:25] <whytrytofly> yeah - ...
[23:26] <Sven_vB> whytrytofly, or try one of the other clients https://tox.chat/clients.html
[23:27] <Sven_vB> there's a compatibility table on the bottom even
[23:27] <whytrytofly> is there one in the repos?
[23:33] <pragmaticenigma> whytrytofly: it looks like uTox offers a precompiled linux ready version https://github.com/uTox/uTox
[23:34] <xMopx> I was able to update to bionic with `do-release-upgrade -d` on one of my machines, but another is saying "Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release". How do I get around this?
[23:36] <xMopx> Both showed 17.10 in lsb_release -a, but the successful machine was installed from a beta of bionic
[23:36] <tgm4883> xMopx: don't use -d
[23:37] <xMopx> tgm4883: huh.
[23:37] <xMopx> I definitely tried that earlier and was met with the same message. But i tried it again anyways and now it's going, lol
[23:37] <xMopx> thanks!
[23:37] <kran> Can someone help me? My GPU failed (fan died, started overheating). I sent back for RMA and in the meanwhile decided to use ASUS motherboard integrated video. Then I started getting crashes with blocky artifacts on screen. Happens in Ubuntu, SLAX, and BIOS. Is it pretty much 100% the integrated graphics of the MOBO and if so only choice is replace motherboard?
[23:38] <xMopx> ah, or rather, the 'no new release found' message. oh well
[23:39] <xMopx> i'm excited to try the new gnome touchscreen keyboard :)
[23:39] <pragmaticenigma> xMopx: did you try to make sure the machine was up-to-date first? by running apt-get dist-upgrade?
[23:40] <xMopx> pragmaticenigma: yep, dist-upgrade is what i did inbetween the attempts
[23:40] <pragmaticenigma> strange
[23:40] <xMopx> it was probably about a month out of date beforehand
[23:41] <mjrosenb> is there an easy to find resource that will say if a given program has been patched by canonical?
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> kran: if you are seeing issues even in BIOS then it's possible the on-board graphics chip is no good. It's also possible the monitor doesn't have a good connection to the display port
[23:41] <Sven_vB> !lts >Sven_vB
[23:41] <pragmaticenigma> mjrosenb: do you have a specfic example?
[23:42] <kran> pragmaticenigma it happens only after using the computer for a while. Then it starts crashing and happening immediately after reboot (in the BIOS).
[23:42] <kran> pragmaticenigma I assume the integrated GPU chip is flawed and simply overheats due to a ban connection somewhere in it.
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like the chip is overheating kran ... does the case have enough ventalation as well as appropriate CPU fans and heatsinks?
[23:43] <kran> pragmaticenigma it never happened before while the other GPU was being used (while its fan worked).
[23:44] <kran> pragmaticenigma I assume it was defective out of the box but I never noticed since I used nvidia as soon as I got the computer running.
[23:44] <pragmaticenigma> kran: I understand that, but the GPUs are located in different places ... the dedicated card had it's own fan and cooling. The onboard relies on what is attached to the motherboard
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> kran: withough knowledge of the motherboard, I'm suggesting simple things you can look for or use to figure out if heat is the issue.
[23:45] <kran> pragmaticenigma even the case is open and it's cool right now (68 deg F). The CPU fan is running.
[23:46] <kran> pragmaticenigma ASUS P7H55-M Pro
[23:46] <kran> pragmaticenigma i assume since it's 1156 my only option is second hand if I want to keep CPU right?
[23:47] <Sven_vB> kran, wouldn't another graphics card mitigate the problem?
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> Honestly, used CPUs have few downsides.
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> GTX270s are cheap these days.
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> If you want a nice used GPU
[23:47] <Thedarkb1-X40> Have a look on webuy.com
[23:47] <Sven_vB> yeah in a 2nd hand CPU you can be even less sure whether the microcode has been backdoored. :D
[23:48] <Sven_vB> or rather, by whom
[23:48] <kran> pragmaticenigma I'm looking at an image of it right and there is no fan on the MOBO that could have broken so short of soldering on that component, the MOBO is hopeless, except as you said with another GPU.
[23:48] <Thedarkb1-X40> Microcode isn't stored on CPU
[23:48] <Thedarkb1-X40> I sell used CPUs
[23:48] <Sven_vB> oh. thanks for correcting then.
[23:48] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 Yes I saw a GTX260 used for sale for $20 shipped.
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> kran: if you just purchased the board within in a few months, I'd say RMA it... otherwise, wait for your dedicated GPU to come back and you'll be fine
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> Why buy that then?
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> What do you have anyway?
[23:49] <Thedarkb1-X40> Why not buy that then?*
[23:50] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 and pragmaticenigma I bought the MOBO about 8 years ago, same with the other parts. I'm RMAing the GPU as we speak. Waiting for their response. I will obviously by a used GPU if they refuse RMA for some reason.
[23:50] <linos> when booting ubuntumate, I' receiving the following message: [FAILED] Failed to start Load Kernel Modules.  How can I fix this FAILED message?
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> I'm still on LGA1156 on my desktop machine.
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Ubuntu "artful" 17.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.40GHz (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.2 GiB Total (831.1 MiB Free) Swap: 945.3 MiB Total (862.3 MiB Free) • Storage: 16.1 GB / 31.8 GB (15.7 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device @ Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Contr
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> oller • Uptime: 1h 27m 57s
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> This thing is socket 479
[23:50] <Thedarkb1-X40> :P
[23:51] <kran> Thedarkb1-X40 Yes they all work. The only problem is the old parts become more expensive than new ones as they become obsolete and go out of production.
[23:52] <kran> Anyway thanks for all your help guys I know what to do. It was a done deal as soon as I saw it crashing on SLAX and BIOS (NOT an OS issue).
[23:53] <kran> My only question was if it could be memory or CPU related but that's too much of a coincidence. I only changed the video adapter (from dedicated to integrated) so I have to go with that as that's the most likely.
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> Just a small correction, Thedarkb1-X40 Microcode is stored on the CPU in a special on-board memory block. The CPU also has the ability to be updated with new Microcode, however, it only lives inside Volitile memory and must be reflashed at each boot.
[23:56] <Thedarkb1-X40> Well, yeah, it's loaded onto the CPU by the OS though, isn't it?
[23:56] <Thedarkb1-X40> I knew the CPU had microcode in ROM.
[23:57] <Thedarkb1-X40> The strange people in the DIY CPU community sometimes use CF cards for microcode.
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> Thedarkb1-X40: The CPU has it's own microcode preflashed to it in a ROM block. There is a mechnism through the BIOS that an OS can flash an updated Microcode instruction set to the CPU. Though the OS must reflash it each time since it can only live in Volitile memory on the CPU. Without Microcode on the CPU somewhere, the CPU wouldn't function
[23:59] <Baguncinha> oi


[22:40] <mwhudson> er
[22:41] <mwhudson> why does d/changelog in master have version 2.19?
[22:41] <mwhudson> oh, there is a release branch
[22:58] <arm1e> Hi, I have been testing snap package manager on otgher distros but get errors. Can anyone help
[22:58] <arm1e> http://hastebin.com/ahadeleboc.sql
[23:06] <OerHeks> arm1e, try with sudo?
[23:06] <arm1e> tried, but still nothing
[23:07] <arm1e> same error
[23:12] <arm1e> Any other ideas?