[00:00] <james_w> nothing, you just need to squint. The encryption algorithm is based on magic eye.
[00:00] <lunks> Is it still required w32codecs?
[00:01] <james_w> lunks: does https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs help?
[00:01] <DanaG> USA: it's illegal to watch DVDs!
[00:01] <DanaG> Lovely laws.  (...and I live in the country.
[00:04] <nemo> DanaG: the new frustration under linux will be blu-ray :-/
[00:05] <rsk> nemo yea, bluray seems much more anal than DVD
[00:05]  * rsk pokes dvd-jon
[00:08]  * DanaG would just find out how to rip them under Windows, and then do so.
[00:08] <rsk> you can rip them in linux
[00:08] <DanaG> Oh, I did the same with my dvd-audio sample disk I got with my Audigy2ZS.
[00:08] <rsk> but not watch them encrypted
[00:08] <DanaG> By "rip", I mean including decryption.
[00:09] <nemo> linux of course was one of the first OSes to have blu-ray support :)
[00:09] <nemo> ... without decrypting ;)
[00:09] <nemo> I kinda wonder if there are decrypting hooks already in the linux packages, all ready slap in some code - theoretically the existing blu-ray crascks would work on older discs
[00:10] <nemo> cracks
[00:10] <nemo> of course, since I don't have a blu-ray player...
[00:10] <rsk> what, you don't have a ps3?
[00:10] <rsk> ;(
[00:10] <nemo> don't even have my Atari anymore
[00:11] <nemo> if I'm going to buy a commercial system, will be the wii
[00:11] <nemo> assuming I can find one
[00:11] <rsk> i will buy a ps3
[00:11] <rsk> once silent hill metal gear solid and gran turismo has come out
[00:14] <purepwnage> am I taking this out of context or can linux not read blu-ray
[00:17] <purepwnage> google is my friend :)
[00:21] <lunks> well, then
[00:21] <lunks> I'm having some problems while trying to watch an encrypted DVD. :)
[00:22] <ethana2> purepwnage: linux can read bluray
[00:22] <ethana2> ..it's just not legal, depending on your location
[00:22] <rsk> lunks: tried mplayer?
[00:23] <lunks> yep
[00:23] <DanaG> argh, pulseaudio is buggy -- if it crashes, anything using it can start devouring CPU and RAM.
[00:23] <DanaG> But I still use it because it's awesome when you have multiple audio devices.
[00:24] <lunks> well, I'll try restarting first =)
[00:26] <lsmobrian> purepwnage: did u figure out your ssh problem
[00:34] <mooboo1> kinda scary, i accidently executed an .exe through wine in firefox
[00:35] <mooboo1> it should ask an extra time, if its an executable file
[00:40] <Dr_willis> to be like windows vista it should ask 100 times..
[00:41] <Dr_willis> 'are you really sure you wanted tos elect yes to the previous question?'
[00:41] <purepwnage> lsmobrian: no
[00:42] <lsmobrian> just to make sure your server is listening, try 'nmap localhost'   this will output all your open ports and what service is running on that port
[00:43] <lsmobrian> you will need to install nmap
[00:44] <purepwnage> lsmobrian: it's not listening apparently
[00:46] <lsmobrian> nothing that says ssh?   double check you have openssh-server installed  then try "/etc/init.d/ssh start"
[00:48] <lsmobrian> need sudo for ssh start
[00:48] <purepwnage> lsmobrian: still doesn't show O.o
[00:49] <lsmobrian> does nmap list any open ports on localhost
[00:49] <purepwnage> 631 and 5900
[00:50] <lsmobrian> and the /etc/inid.d/ssh start just had like 1 line, saying OK  ?
[00:50] <purepwnage> yes
[00:51] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone. i'm having some trouble running the utilities from gnome-system-tools (network-admin, users-admin, services-admin, time-admin, shares-admin). i'm pretty sure it's to do with policykit. i get the error msg "The configuration could not be loaded \ You are not allowed to access the system configuration". packages are up to date. anyone know what to do about this?
[00:52] <lsmobrian> purepwnage:   ps -A | grep sshd
[00:53] <purepwnage> ader10@ubuntu:~/.ssh$ ps -A|grep sshd
[00:53] <purepwnage>  6125 ?        00:00:00 sshd
[00:53] <lsmobrian> wow, thats really weird
[00:58] <purepwnage> I suppose that's why 8.04 is in alpha
[00:59] <lsmobrian> hrm, you said you changed to port 43210 instead of 22, if u change it back, does it work
[00:59] <purepwnage> no, unfortunately
[00:59] <lsmobrian> mine works when sshd_config has 22, but no to 43210
[00:59] <purepwnage> I'll try again
[01:00] <SeveredC1oss> Is NetworkManager known to be busted right now?
[01:00] <SeveredC1oss> Argh, I have the wrong nick.
[01:01] <SeveredCross> My NetworkManager won't connect to secure wireless networks at all..it claims to be connecting, then spits out some errors about not being able to connect to the supplicant in /var/log/daemon.log
[01:01] <purepwnage> Tried again, still doesn't work :(
[01:01] <SeveredCross> And then drops to an unencrypted network.
[01:02] <kumarphilly> anyone here use cgi irc at all?
[01:03] <nrp> kumarphilly: i used to
[01:03] <kumarphilly> nrp, like do you know how to isntall it on a site
[01:04] <nrp> yea
[01:04] <stefano__> what is seahorse?
[01:04] <DrUnKnMuNkY> SeveredCross: I'm connecting fine to WPA2 networks so I mine's workign atm.
[01:05] <kumarphilly> nrp can you spare a few minutes to help me
[01:05] <nrp> sure
[01:05] <kumarphilly> i unzipped it and now where do i upload what to
[01:05] <kumarphilly> it doesnt work when i try to upload everything to cgi-bin
[01:06] <nrp> what error does it give
[01:06] <kumarphilly> no error
[01:06] <kumarphilly> it just lists me the contents
[01:06] <kumarphilly> pvchat.890m.com/cgi-bin
[01:06] <lsmobrian> stefano, front end for GnuPG,  'passwords and encryption keys' in accessories menu
[01:07] <nrp> does your webserver do cgi?
[01:07] <kumarphilly> yep
[01:08] <nrp> are the files +x?
[01:08] <kumarphilly> +x?
[01:08] <nrp> executable
[01:08] <kumarphilly> they should be:-D
[01:08] <kumarphilly> how should i check
[01:08] <nrp> do you have a shell into the server?
[01:09] <kumarphilly> nah
[01:09] <nrp> do you have ftp access?
[01:10] <kumarphilly> yep
[01:10] <nrp> ok, with your ftp client, set file permissions on all the .cgi files to 755
[01:10] <kumarphilly> k
[01:11] <kumarphilly> k
[01:11] <kumarphilly> did it
[01:13] <nrp> well, that should have done it.  its possible that perl isnt in the spot the script expects it to be. or for some strange reason, it doesnt have perl
[01:13] <DanaG>  sudo btrace /dev/sda
[01:13] <DanaG> BLKTRACESETUP: No such file or directory
[01:13] <DanaG> Failed to start trace on /dev/sda
[01:13] <DanaG> load...unload
[01:13] <DanaG> load....unload (every 15 seconds).
[01:14] <DanaG> But it's only that bad after suspend and resume.
[01:14] <kumarphilly> nrp, in cpanel i see 2 things under software/services php pear packages and php confguration
[01:15] <nrp> well, then its possible your host just doesnt give you perl
[01:15] <purepwnage> is there a way to make nautilus windows close if the path is removed?
[01:15] <kumarphilly> nrp, damnit... you know any freehost that does:-D
[01:15] <nrp> nope, free hosts tend to suck pretty bad
[01:17] <kumarphilly> ?
[01:18] <kumarphilly> anyone
[01:18] <kumarphilly> free hosts
[01:21] <lsmobrian> try googling    free perl host
[01:21] <kumarphilly> got one:-D
[01:22] <lunks> I'm getting "libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 1 (VTS_01_0.IFO)." if I try to play a DVD.
[01:24] <boss_> has the alsa sound been fixed in -12?
[01:25]  * kumarphilly uploading files to this new free host:-D
[01:25] <paulo-falcao> Is the sound problem (alsa) solved?
[01:25] <paulo-falcao> does anyone know?
[01:26] <coz_> paulo-falcao,  my question exactly :)
[01:27] <paulo-falcao> coz_, we are in the same boat... ;D
[01:27] <coz_> paulo-falcao, well I havent installed the -12 yet so I still have sound  apparenlty it got here later than others got it and i was here when it was mentioned
[01:28] <paulo-falcao> want to see season 2 of Heroes...but with no sound...
[01:28] <paulo-falcao> is there any workaround?
[01:29] <coz_> paulo-falcao, I dont think so
[01:29] <paulo-falcao> dam!
[01:30] <paulo-falcao> then sleep it is...
[01:30] <paulo-falcao> bye, thanks
[01:30] <paulo-falcao> maybe tomorrow :^D
[01:30] <coz_> ok
[01:36] <RAOF> For those playing at home, passing "nohz=off" to the kernel doesn't prevent bug #194214
[01:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194214
[01:37] <DanaG> Here's a workaround: try to avoid doing keyboard+mouse at the same time.
[01:37] <DanaG> Note that workaround and fix are totally completely different things.
[01:37] <RAOF> And switch to Metacity when you want to play games, since it's harder to trigger under Metacity.
[01:39] <Pici> Are anyones gnome multimedia keybindings working?
[01:40] <thecrypto> In one of the updates I got rhythmbox was uninstalled. So I haven't seen anything yet...waiting for the partial update cycle I am currently stuck in to break.
[01:40] <DanaG> Not working for exaile or decibel-audio-player.
[01:43] <kumarphilly> damnit
[01:43] <kumarphilly> all these host require 24 hours to veirfy
[01:43] <kumarphilly> anyone know of any solution
[01:47] <ubuntubeta> lol, reading this subject is it safe to say there is no support if I accidentally removed gnome-about gnome-panel nautilus?
[01:47] <ubuntubeta> happened to me running a dist upgrade
[01:48] <kumarphilly> nrp, you still there?
[01:51] <DanaG> Oooooooooh, quodlibet still works!  Sweet.
[01:51] <RAOF> Also for those playing at home: the options "acpi=off" "hpet=disable" and "nohz=off" and "nosmp" do not have any effect, other than to make my laptop hotter & slower.
[01:51] <ubuntubeta> how can I restore the missing packages? I have tried reinstall -f reinstall install -f install remove -f remove and also the same using aptitude
[01:51] <kumarphilly> anyone else have 143 updates today
[01:51] <ubuntubeta> me
[01:51] <DanaG> Try aptitude with no parameters.
[01:51] <DanaG> That'll give a nifty text UI.
[01:51] <ubuntubeta> thats how I got into this mess
[01:51] <kumarphilly> and like 82 yesterday
[01:52] <ubuntubeta> thx DanaG I never knew :D
[01:54] <DanaG> Once you install the plugins and enable the multimedia keys.
[01:54] <DanaG> It also has an awesome "Fix Encoding" (for tags) plugin.
[01:54] <DanaG> And musicbrainz!
[01:56] <ubuntubeta> kumarphilly: did your upgrade go flawless?
[01:57] <kumarphilly> yep
[01:57] <kumarphilly> howd ya know i upgraded:-D
[01:57] <kumarphilly> but yea
[01:57] <kumarphilly> it went wll
[01:57] <kumarphilly> i did a fresh install of 7.10
[01:57] <kumarphilly> installed all the updates
[01:57] <ubuntubeta> who wouldn'?  being beta users its second nature to wanna upgrade :p
[01:57] <DanaG> Anybody know where I can get a transparent, non-permanent, self-adhesive label for me to print the Heron on?
[01:57] <kumarphilly> and then got the distribution updgrade
[01:57] <kumarphilly> took like 30 minutes
[01:57] <DanaG> I always read changelogs before updating anything.
[01:58] <kumarphilly> but first successful upgrade in a while:-D
[01:58] <kumarphilly> so when the full version comes out, will i need to do another distro updte?
[01:58] <ubuntubeta> OMG its grabbing the packages!  I hope this works...
[01:59] <DanaG> Argh, quodlibet sucks: it'll only load one folder of songs, and then calls any other folders empty.
[01:59] <kumarphilly> lol
[02:00] <ubuntubeta> localepurge after ap-get runs can be a beautiful thing...
[02:01] <DanaG> What's localepurge?
[02:02] <DanaG> Eeh, I have more than enough disk space.
[02:03] <ubuntubeta> After installing anything with apt-get install, localepurge will remove all translation files and translated man pages in languages you cannot read.
[02:03] <ubuntubeta> If you want to configure localepurge you need to edit /etc/locale.nopurge
[02:03] <ubuntubeta> This can save you several megabytes of disk space, depending on the packages you have installed.
[02:08] <DanaG> Megabytes?  That's not worth bothering with for my partition.
[02:08] <ubuntubeta> I'm cheap with Linux, think I gave it only 8-10 gigs, so at times every little bit helps :D
[02:09] <ubuntubeta> *now about those old kernel files...  *tap tap tap
[02:10]  * DanaG has an XP partition, a Vista partition, and an Ubuntu partition; each is 40 gigs.
[02:10] <DanaG> I
[02:10] <DanaG> I'm pondering getting rid of the XP one, actually.
[02:10] <DanaG> Then moving Ubuntu further toward the front of the drive.
[02:11] <ubuntubeta> wow, nice dude, I have the same setup!
[02:11] <DanaG> yay, Hitachi 7k200-200.
[02:11] <ubuntubeta> XP is great if you want to compare vista to it
[02:11] <kumarphilly> ubuntubeta, haha i only gave 5 gig
[02:11] <kumarphilly> nah i like vista:-D
[02:11] <kumarphilly> ultimate
[02:12] <ubuntubeta> same
[02:12] <ethana2> what??
[02:12] <ubuntubeta> x64 :)
[02:12] <ethana2> kumarphilly: that is blasphemy
[02:12] <ubuntubeta> lol
[02:12] <kumarphilly> haha
[02:12] <kumarphilly> yea x64 is ausome
[02:13] <kumarphilly> xp 64 bit sucks
[02:13] <ubuntubeta> also planning on installing fedora, the latest beta of opensuse is not only ugly, but I had isues from the start, you would be surprised how easily it will let you blow away partitions without asking if you don't
[02:13] <ubuntubeta> keep an eye out
[02:13] <kumarphilly> how many cds you gptta wast
[02:13] <ubuntubeta> agreed, ever hear of xp performance edition? ;)
[02:13] <kumarphilly> for fedora
[02:13] <ubuntubeta> 1 dvd
[02:13] <kumarphilly> dvd
[02:13] <kumarphilly> hell no:-D
[02:13] <kumarphilly> is there an alt so i dotnw aist a disc
[02:14] <tech0007> hi...is it safe to upgrade to .12-generic of the kernel?
[02:14] <ubuntubeta> wish there was, think there is a way to install from another from a ocal source, never looked into it though
[02:14] <kumarphilly> like wats a network install
[02:14] <tech0007> i ran into video,audio issues last time...
[02:14] <ubuntubeta> tech0007: I think it is, I am using it right now
[02:15] <tech0007> ubuntubeta: so do i sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade to get the .12- kernel?
[02:16] <ubuntubeta> get update then upgrade then dist-upgrade
[02:17] <tech0007> ok thanks!
[02:17] <ubuntubeta> this is coming from someone who just crashed his system doing an upgrade tonight though, you could look for a second opionion
[02:18] <ionstorm> im having problems getting bootchart to start-up and log boots, how exactly does it start because I havnt ever gotten charts
[02:19] <ionstorm> id like to know if there is something screwed up in my system preventing it from logging
[02:20] <ionstorm> I have 3 bootcharts running in backround... root      1045  0.1  0.0   1156   192 ?        S    18:47   0:03 /bin/busybox sh /bin/bootchart bottom
[02:22] <ubuntubeta> #ubuntu
[02:22] <ionstorm> its regarding hardy
[02:33] <Mark_Milliman> So have I missed the discussion of  whether FF3b4 is going to be in the repos?
[02:33] <ethana2> Mark_Milliman: it will be
[02:33] <ethana2> ...but last time i checked it wasn't
[02:33] <ethana2> oh heck, I'll check again
[02:34] <ethana2> oh, i last checked for updates 4 hours ago
[02:34] <ethana2> i won't let myself do it again unless it's 6...
[02:34] <Mark_Milliman> I know it will be because there are a bunch of enhancements in it over FF3b3
[02:35] <ethana2> of course
[02:35] <Mark_Milliman> Yesterday a bunch of people were looking for it, and I sort of expected it today.
[02:36] <Mark_Milliman> I guess I could jump the gun and install it myeslf
[02:37] <ubuntubeta> just ran it from the firefox site, the .bz2, and none of my plugins and icons worked
[02:37] <ubuntubeta> you can run it safely from a folder after extraction to test it out seperately
[02:37] <Mark_Milliman> ubuntubeta, plugins or extensions?
[02:37] <Mark_Milliman> or both?
[02:37] <ubuntubeta> I know flash did not work
[02:38] <ubuntubeta> didn't really check the extensions well enough
[02:38] <Mark_Milliman> About half of my extensions still don't work
[02:38] <ubuntubeta> every icon, had a red x on it, as if it lost them all,  I understand they have improved the icons too though, by using existing gnome themes
[02:38] <Mark_Milliman> The only Google extension that still works is Notebook and that was after my tweaking of the package
[02:39] <Mark_Milliman> Perhaps it is best to wait for it to appear in the repos
[02:39] <ubuntubeta> *nod
[02:39] <ubuntubeta> not even wasting my time...
[02:40] <Mark_Milliman> ubuntubeta, thanks for the heads up.  You saved me some time tonight.
[02:40] <ubuntubeta> :)
[02:40] <ubuntubeta> good
[02:45] <atrus> is there any semi-graceful way of reverting to ipw3945 from iwl3945? I can't connect to my university's open, unencrypted wireless access point in hardy any more.
[02:59] <DanaG> Heh, try holding volume hotkeys and watching scim.
[03:10] <l815> how do i uninstall a program that doesn't come with an uninstall file?
[03:11] <RAOF> l815: How did you install it, and what would an "uninstall" file be?
[03:11] <pen> hi
[03:11] <pen> I can't enable compiz from appearance
[03:12] <pen> although I have enabled nvidia
[03:12] <pen> why?
[03:12] <RAOF> Gremlins.
[03:12] <l815> RAOF, it was a .run file, and sometimes there are unisntall.sh files inside the install directory
[03:13] <RAOF> l815: Ah.  In that case: there isn't a way to uninstall it.
[03:13] <l815> ROAF, then just deleting the directory would work?
[03:13] <l815> or would that leave residual junk :/
[03:13] <pen> is there a way to fix this?
[03:13] <DanaG> atrus: you can blacklist the module.
[03:14]  * ubuntubeta remembers when windows users were that naieve, little did they know there is a registry too
[03:14] <RAOF> l815: deleting the directory is probably not a bad fallback.
[03:15] <l815> RAOF, okay, then is there a way to search for residual files with a similar name to the program?
[03:15] <RAOF> l815: Generally, no.
[03:15] <RAOF> l815: On the other hand, this is one of the reasons why I don't install programs outside of apt ;)
[03:16] <DanaG> Or install to /usr/local
[03:16] <DanaG> (I put my git compiz there, so it's trivially easy to remove.)
[03:16] <l815> RAOF, lol i haven't encountered this with install.sh files because they always come with an unisntall.sh (most of the time). I guess i've learned my lesson haha
[03:17] <l815> btw is there a fix for the sluggishness from effects and playing video?
[03:19] <pen> is there a way to enable compiz manually?
[03:19] <pen> is it good?
[03:19] <strabes> pen: just run compiz from the command line or alt+f2...?
[03:19] <pen> compiz can't run from appearance after I boot into the new kernel
[03:19] <pen> so I went back to the old one
[03:20] <pen> and enable the nvidia again
[03:20] <pen> then I can't enable compiz
[03:20] <pen> why?
[03:20] <pen> it says it's enabled
[03:20] <pen> why can't i enable compiz
[03:21] <pen> and from the command line don't work either
[03:22] <DanaG> glxinfo | grep renderer
[03:22] <pen> http://rafb.net/p/wmMSjk76.html
[03:22] <pen> would it because someone told me to run INIT 1 something in the new kernel?
[03:24] <RAOF> pen: So, at least one problem is that your drivers don't work :)
[03:24] <pen> why?
[03:24] <pen> I enabled it
[03:25] <pen> and it worked before I boot into the new kernel
[03:25] <pen> like the 12
[03:26] <RAOF> So... The first thing that springs to mind is that you're not quite the target audience for Hardy, Alpha 6.
[03:26] <RAOF> The second thing is: do you have the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel installed?
[03:26] <pen> well
[03:26] <RAOF> The third is: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log & /etc/X11/xorg.conf files.
[03:26] <pen> I'm now in the old kernel the -11 one which it worked before
[03:26] <pen> ok
[03:27] <RAOF> But will now be broken, because we updated nvidia-glx-new.
[03:27] <pen> does ubuntu have wgetpaste?
[03:27] <RAOF> You're probably looking for pastebinit.
[03:27] <RAOF> !info pastebinit
[03:27] <ubotwo> pastebinit: command-line pastebin client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 84 kB (Only available for None)
[03:28] <pen> k
[03:28] <pen> btw, just to report back that I have linux-restrcted-modules installed
[03:28] <pen> for my kernel
[03:29] <RAOF> Oh, and the output of uname -a, too please :)
[03:29] <pen> Linux penn-laptop 2.6.24-11-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 29 22:08:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:30] <pen> http://pastebin.com/f417a7696
[03:30] <pen> this is for the log
[03:31] <pen> http://pastebin.com/f50636b6b
[03:32] <RAOF> Right.  So, your driver is broken :)
[03:32] <RAOF> In particular, it can't find libglx.
[03:32] <RAOF> I'd start by "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx-new"
[03:33] <pen> ok
[03:33] <pen> then restart x?
[03:33] <RAOF> Yeah.
[03:33] <pen> ok
[03:34] <pen> still not working
[03:34] <pen> can't enable compiz
[03:36] <pen> btw, before I came here and using the new kernel I followed this workaround to try to fix my problem with the driver
[03:36] <pen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=697583
[03:36] <pen> I create a link from libglx.so.169.09 to libglx.so
[03:36] <pen> how can I reverse that
[03:36] <pen> I think that's why it's not working
[03:39] <l815> anyone know why some things in ff3 started looking strange sometime today? like : http://i31.tinypic.com/33xx2k9.png
[03:40] <pen> RAOF: can u help me?
[03:40] <pen> RAOF: I'm not familar with symbolic link
[03:41] <RAOF> pen: Oh, right.
[03:41] <RAOF> So, what's happened now is that you've got this symlink that's pointing to the wrong place, because we've updated the driver.
[03:41] <RAOF> Just remove it, and reinstall the nvidia-glx-new package.
[03:42] <pen> remove what?
[03:42] <pen> which file?
[03:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, about the "find the first xorg version where it's broken": I can give that a try if there's a relatively easy way to download all old same-version xorg packages.
[03:42] <coz_> hey guys
[03:42] <DanaG> "resulting binaries" is not easy to get all.
[03:43] <pen> should I delete the libglx.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules?
[03:43] <coz_> I have had every version of ubuntu on this partcular system.. I was wondering if any of you have tried compiling things on hardy  so far everything I have tried to compile takes 100% resources  unlike I have seen before
[03:43] <RAOF> pen: Yes.
[03:44] <pen> well, when I ls the directory I see a red libglx.so
[03:44] <RAOF> DanaG: It'd be nice if we had something like the Debian page which archives every single package version ever in Debian.
[03:44] <pen> and I can't remove it
[03:45] <RAOF> pen: Yes, that's because it's owned by root.  You'll need to "sudo rm libglx.so".
[03:45] <pen> I did
[03:45] <pen> not working
[03:45] <pen> I even use -f
[03:45] <pen> nvm
[03:45] <pen> lol
[03:48] <pen> finally it works :D
[03:48] <pen> thx
[03:50] <RAOF> Let this be a lesson to you not to go behind apt's back! :)
[03:51] <coz_> :)
[03:51] <DanaG> What can I do about getting all old packages at once, then?
[03:52] <RAOF> DanaG: I'm not entirely sure.
[03:52] <RAOF> What I'm planning to do is strip some patches from our X server and see if it still exhibits badness.
[03:55] <DanaG> Perhaps I should start just before Jan 31.
[03:55] <RAOF> DanaG: Looking at the changelog, I thought I'd strip out the smart scheduler patch introduced just before then.
[03:56] <coz_> anything changes with the sound breakage in -12?
[03:56] <coz_> changed
[03:56] <RAOF> It's fixed?
[03:56] <coz_> really?
[03:57] <RAOF> I think so.
[03:57] <coz_> oo  mm   ok maybe i will wait another few days :)
[03:57] <DanaG> Works for me.
[03:57] <RAOF> Well; _my_ sound always worked (or very nearly did), so I'm not a particulary good guide.
[03:57] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Mon Mar 10 15:32:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:04]  * RAOF pulls down 600Mb worth of updates to get a non-broken dpkg.
[04:06] <setuid> Anyone know when NetworkManager is going to be completed?
[04:06] <DanaG> NetworkManager + iwl3945 == ouch.
[04:06] <setuid> Right now, it's an almost blank applet with a remove button and some form fields, none of which are editable (even when run as root)
[04:06] <DanaG> Sucks with suspend.
[04:07] <setuid> There's no Add or New button to add any networks, so I have to run shell scripts manually to bring up interfaces
[04:07] <DanaG> You add them by clicking on them in the list.
[04:07] <setuid> i.e. route add default gw, ifconfig eth0 yadda yadda
[04:07] <RAOF> DanaG: Fortunately, my nVidia drivers prevent me from running into any _other_ suspend bugs :P
[04:07] <setuid> DanaG, There is no "list"
[04:07] <setuid> Let me screenshot
[04:07] <DanaG> wtf?  I hit my wireless hotkey, and Totem died.
[04:08] <DanaG> ...and started devouring CPU time.
[04:08] <DanaG> What the heck?
[04:08] <DanaG> "Completely Fair Scheduler" still sucks, in that way.
[04:08] <DanaG> Closing lid still sometimes causes audio dropouts.
[04:09] <setuid> DanaG, http://code.gnu-designs.com/hardy-NetworkManager.png
[04:09] <setuid> That's what I see when I run it
[04:09] <RAOF> setuid: Oh, _that_.
[04:09] <DanaG> No, left-click the tray icon.
[04:09] <setuid> tray?
[04:09] <setuid> I don't have a tray
[04:10] <DanaG> Well, that would explain it.
[04:10] <setuid> uh... that's sillhy
[04:10] <setuid> If I run a panel and go to System -> Network Manager Editor... I get the applet in the screenshot above
[04:10] <RAOF> And that's pretty much exactly what you should get:
[04:11] <setuid> What is this tray you speak of?
[04:11] <RAOF> That's an editor for the networks that NM has already connected to.
[04:11] <Mark_Milliman> My Network Manager looks the same but I don't have any wireless cards in this machine
[04:11] <RAOF> setuid: So, in your notification area should be an icon looking like a broken network?
[04:12] <setuid> When I add "Notification Area" to a panel, it's just the single left-side grab bar, nothing in it at all
[04:12] <RAOF> Yup, that's right.
[04:12] <RAOF> Leave it there & it'll collect lint
[04:12] <setuid> Ok, I think I found it
[04:13] <RAOF> (Or just run nm-applet) :)
[04:13] <setuid> I right-click it and it says "Edit wireless networks", and when I do... it's the same blank applet in the screenshot above
[04:13] <setuid> Can't add/edit/remove anything, because there is nothing
[04:13] <RAOF> What you _actually_ want to do is _left_ click it, and select the wireless network you want to connect to :)
[04:13] <setuid> And yet, here I am, on the same machine, talking to #ubuntu+1 wirelessly
[04:14] <DanaG> Well, in kde, the left-click brings up "connection status", which is stupid.
[04:14] <RAOF> Heh.
[04:15] <DanaG> Closing my laptop lid while doing aplay sometimes gives me this:   underrun!!! (at least 745.623 ms long)
[04:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and why does PulseAudio still not give me surround on my emu10k1?
[04:18] <DanaG> Heh, and I'm also getting some crackling when playing a 24-bit 96-khz 6-channel audio file through PulseAudio.
[04:19] <DanaG> Then again, that IS a 1.9 megabyte per second file.
[04:20] <DanaG> Heh, look at the closing comment on here:
[04:20] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/151
[04:21] <DanaG> " PA perfectly supports surround sound these days and does a simple but automatic up and downmixing. Closing this bug. "
[04:21] <DanaG> BULL!  Does 2 channels on my audigy sound like "perfectly supports surround"?  Nope.
[04:22] <atrus> DanaG: how are you creating your sinks?
[04:23] <DanaG> Through HAL.  I can use surround51:1 manually, but I shouldn't HAVE to do that.
[04:23] <atrus> by default it uses hal, which (according to #pulseaudio), doesn't have channel information, and just defaults to 2
[04:23] <DanaG> So that "perfectly supports surround" really isn't correct.
[04:23] <DanaG> If I had a paid-for product, I'd call it false advertising.
[04:24] <ethana2> If
[04:24] <atrus> i'd complain more, but alsa doesn't support my surround cards properly anyways :/
[04:24] <DanaG> There ought to be a way to say "hey, if this card X appears, also load this sink Y on the surround interface."
[04:24] <ethana2> ^_^
[04:25] <ethana2> atrus: would you know enough to tell me how to present two simultaneous users with virtual mono sinks?
[04:25] <ethana2> and send one out each channel of my stereo card?
[04:25] <DanaG> Duude, google for a cheap USB sound card.
[04:25] <ethana2> ;)
[04:25] <DanaG> Aren't there some dirt-cheap ones out there?
[04:25] <atrus> not i. ask #pulseaudio, and/or read faq's.
[04:25] <ethana2> I'm on #pulseaudio
[04:26] <atrus> DanaG: i have 2 usb sound cards, neither works right
[04:26] <atrus> one is built into a usb docking station, the other is built into my altec lansing speakers.
[04:26] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:27] <atrus> the docking station one it mixes up the channels in the wrong order.
[04:27] <DanaG> My one gives buggy left volume slider.
[04:27] <DanaG> You could also use a single surround-capable device of some sort.
[04:28] <atrus> the altec lansing the mixer doesn't work, and it locks the volume at 100% (there is no manual volume control, just a digital pad that works with the digital mixer)
[04:28] <atrus> i've bought enough hardware to try and get around alsa already. i'll just go to windows when i need it to work (both work out of the box without any special drivers installed, of course)
[04:28] <DanaG> Does alsamixer not work with it?
[04:29] <atrus> DanaG: newp. locked at 100%.
[04:29] <DanaG> Is it pulseaudio doing it, or just ALSA?
[04:29] <atrus> DanaG: just alsa.
[04:29] <DanaG> Odd.  Why have a slider, then?
[04:30] <atrus> DanaG: hm?
[04:31] <atrus> the slider in alsamixer maps directly to the digital pad's led volume display. if you try to change them, you can actually see it minutely switch down to about 99% momentarilly before going back to 100%.
[04:32] <DanaG> Oh, perhaps it's getting volume-change keycodes?
[04:32] <DanaG> That might do it -- feedback.  Poorly designed thing sending codes on volume change.
[04:33] <DanaG> Perhaps it creates an input device.
[04:33] <atrus> DanaG: that would stop the digital pad from working, but wouldn't stop alsamixer from working.
[04:33] <atrus> right?
[04:34] <DanaG> Well, perhaps take a look at /proc/bus/input/devices to see if it shows up.
[04:34] <DanaG> Or look at the device in hal-device-manager (the new hardware-info thing sucks).
[04:34] <atrus> wait a sec, i'll get some headphones in it so when it starts blasting it doesn't blow out the cones.
[04:37] <atrus> DanaG: nope, nothing.
[04:37] <Black_Magic> Well, i cant seem to get dist-upgrade to work it talks about some packages
[04:37] <Black_Magic> error Authenticating them
[04:38] <atrus> DanaG: hal-device-manager is installable again?
[04:38] <atrus> nothing in /proc/bus/input/devices anyways
[04:39] <DanaG> I still had it around from Gutsy, perhaps.  I hadn't noticed it ever become not so.
[04:39] <atrus> DanaG: seems to be in gnome-device manager now actually.
[04:39] <atrus> DanaG: it does have a HID device interface.
[04:39] <DanaG> You could try blacklisting it with an fdi file.
[04:39] <atrus> DanaG: but again, this wouldn't stop alsamixer from working would it?
[04:39] <atrus> if i could get alsamixer working i'd be happy.
[04:41] <atrus> DanaG: not following you there
[04:41] <DanaG> Temporary idea: find the input device and chmod it 0000
[04:42] <atrus> DanaG: there's no input device for it in /dev/input
[04:51] <atrus> DanaG: funny, i can control the volume with amixer ok
[05:01] <DanaG> Hmm, that IS odd about amixer and alsamixer.
[05:04] <DanaG> File a bug on it?
[05:10] <DanaG> Don't you just love mystery-meat navigation?
[05:10] <DanaG> Openoffice toolbars don't have tooltips.
[05:19] <prasanna> hey guys, u know how by default theres a glow around the panels in hardy? i'm changed themes, and i'm tryin to get that effect back
[05:26] <naught101> anybody know of a way to use a script-like font on a web page without flash or images?
[05:31] <Lynoure> naught101: on a page you are looking at, yes. on pages others are looking at, risky
[05:32] <Lynoure> You can specify font family or even specific font, but if they don't have it, or better yet have something similar yet radically different, who knows what it will look like...
[05:33] <Lynoure> But, probably not stuff for #ubuntu+1, sorry
[05:35] <naught101> heh, sorry, I thought I was in another channel
[05:35] <naught101> palatino cursive might work though
[05:38] <prasanna> does anyone know how to get that 'glow' effect around the windows?
[05:39] <naught101> prasanna: if it's the default, you could delete the preferences folder relating to themes
[05:39] <naught101> I don't know what that is in gnome though
[05:39] <StiveG> anyone knows how to fix the resolution problem which seems to come from the last update (kernel?) My intel i810 now has only 640-480 :|
[05:41] <StiveG> intel 965 in fact.. i810 is the driver..
[05:42] <naught101> StiveG: have you tried the intel driver? I thought the i810 driver died with gutsy
[05:43] <StiveG> this is the one I have right now...
[05:43] <StiveG> never had problems with Gutsy before... never on hardy either... comes from last uopdates..
[05:43] <Flannel> naught101: They both exist in Hardy
[05:44] <naught101> Flannel: yeah, but i810 has no upstream support
[05:44] <StiveG> Hardy auto-detect it..
[05:44] <StiveG> used to...
[05:44] <StiveG> it still detect it.. but no choices for the resolution except 480-640..
[05:45] <Flannel> naught101: right, its an older version (1.7.4 vs 2.2.1).  But still, don't need upstream support necessarily.  Although, I don't see any reason to stick with the older one (unless it doesn't work, of course)
[05:46] <StiveG> everything was working good untill I update my system.. then after the reboot....
[05:46] <StiveG> must be the new kernel..
[05:48] <StiveG> no way to set the resolution directly on xorg?
[05:51] <StiveG> if I set the resolution on xorg.conf can I get problems?
[05:55] <ethana2> gahh, my gui went wierd
[05:55] <ethana2> firefox at least...
[05:55] <ethana2> big icons..
[06:50] <paul928> scim pop-up every time I use the keyboard. Switching automatically from English to Amharic in the middle of a sentence?
[06:50] <paul928> Interesting.
[06:52] <DanaG> Disable shift-space in the SCIM properties thingy.
[06:53] <paul928> DanaG: thanks, I'll try that. It just started after the latest upgrade.
[07:15] <cwillu> sound's unbroken now eh?
[07:17] <DanaG> Yup.
[07:17] <atrus> or at least, no more broken then usual :)
[07:18] <atrus> DanaG: i did end up filing my experience on alsa's bug tracker, can't remember if/why i didn't do that before.
[07:18] <cwillu> goodie; equal or less broken than usual == working on every machine I've ever tried it on :p
[07:25] <Black_Magic> Yay upgrading my main Ubuntu install now ;)
[07:25] <Black_Magic> supposed to take only 1hr now..
[07:26] <Black_Magic> 1hr and 12mins..guess it didnt like the other :P
[07:27] <savvas> 08:23:58 < savvas> does anyone know the package I should mention about this bug: http://pastebin.ca/raw/939393
[07:27] <savvas> 08:24:45 < savvas> I get such errors while transferring to/from a mobile phone using usb
[07:44] <Black_Magic> whats the new version of Nautilus like?
[07:45] <savvas> 2.22 ?
[08:00] <DanaG> Woah, ksoftirqd is eating all of one of my CPU cores.  What the heck?
[08:06] <DanaG> Tried to modprobe -r iwl3945; now modprobe is eating 100% of one core.
[08:15] <malnilion> My resolution changes when I log out to GDM screen from 1280x1024 (preferred) to, I assume, 1280x960.  It changes back to the preferred 1280x1024 when I log back in.  Anyone know what might cause this and how I might fix it?
[08:15] <malnilion> It's not a big deal, but it looks ugly.
[08:17] <bmz> is the laptop mode drive bug fixed in hardy?
[08:18] <glick> hey where can i see a list of new features that will be in hardy hering?
[08:20] <glick> anyone?
[08:22] <lancerocke> hello
[08:22] <lancerocke> im trying to follow this tutorial http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox and when i type killall xfwm4 it says danny@danny-desktop:~$ killall xfwm4
 xfwm4: no process killed
[08:23] <RAOF> You know, pulseaudio would be cooler if iwl could consistently push 200Kb/sec over an uncongested network.
[08:30] <henkjan> yay
[08:30] <DanaG> iwl3945 sucks.  I want ipw3945 back.
[08:30] <henkjan> java update fixed sun ilom/elom for me
[08:31] <DanaG> iwl3945 causes hangs in modprobe, and brokenness on resume if killswitch is set to radio off.
[08:31] <malnilion> DanaG, I hear you...I hate both of them, though
[08:31] <DanaG> I'd almost rather have broadcom.
[08:31] <DanaG> NetworkManager also sucks at roaming.
[08:31] <malnilion> NetworkManager blows
[08:31] <malnilion> :P
[08:32] <DanaG> Try walking around between APs with the same SSID (even if you've connected to them before) --- it doesn't roam!
[08:32] <DanaG> And Pidgin sits there in a "lights are on but nobody's home" state.
[08:34] <malnilion> Quite honestly, the mess otherwise known as wireless in Linux has almost made me consider wiring up my bedroom
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> I want to build a house and run fibre in it :P
[08:36] <malnilion> That'd be tight
[08:37] <malnilion> LAN parties would be sick :)
[08:37] <DanaG> Eeh, need NICs that can use it, though.
[08:37] <DanaG> I refuse to buy any laptop without GbE, even though my house doesn't have it.  The computer lab at Cal Poly does, and that's the bandwidth to the internet.
[08:38] <DanaG> Gigabit Ethernet Chip:  $( beats me );  [same for the cabling and switches and connection].
[08:39] <DanaG> Downloading ISOs and updates from mirrors.kernel.org at 30 megaBYTES per second (that's the fastest I've ever gotten):   sweeeeeeeeet.  ("priceless" is overused.)
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> DanaG: yeah, but you can always install media converters in each room until it becomes the standard :P
[08:39] <DanaG> Or until computers have 10GbE adapters.
[08:40] <malnilion> I look forward to the day I have fiber running straight into my computer.
[08:40] <DanaG> ISP is only 3 or 5 megabits for ridiculous prices.
[08:40] <DanaG> Or 10 for more ridiculous.
[08:40] <DanaG> (Charter.)
[08:41] <DanaG> For my next laptop, I'm gonna' get one that has two mini-PCIe slots, so I can get a "mini-PCIe to PCIe" adapter with a ribbon thingy and give myself a full-size slot externally.
[08:41] <ethana2> heh
[08:41] <ethana2> i had 12Mbit via cox
[08:41] <DanaG> I'd like to use it for some C-Media sound card, if they're well supported.
[08:41] <ethana2> during their promo period
[08:41] <ethana2> but it only ever got up to like.. 2
[08:41] <DanaG> Then I can go "Office Space" on my Audigy --- or at least, open the shell.
[08:42] <DanaG> If it NEVER reaches the advertised speed, I'd call that false advertising.  I can understand "usually slower", but it should get full speed at least once, and it shouldn't be only 16% speed most of the time.
[08:42] <DanaG> I can run (up to) 50 miles per hour! *
[08:43] <ethana2> how are you going to saturate a 12Mbit connection in the middle of the US?
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> DanaG: it's not false advertising though, b/c the advertising says up to.  It's lame and misleading advertising, but not legally false.
[08:43] <ethana2> i only tried torrents
[08:43] <DanaG> Try downloading stuff from something on 'internet2'.
[08:43] <DanaG> * (only applicable when skydiving)
[08:43] <DanaG> Same logic.
[08:44] <DanaG> What connection do you have now?
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> hmm, where would one buy optical fiber anyway?
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> not newegg apparently
[08:46] <DanaG> http://www.internet2.edu/network/
[08:46] <DanaG> IT suppliers, likely.
[08:48] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/search?q=internet2+member+list
[08:49] <DanaG> Try downloading stuff from any of those sites there.
[08:49] <ethana2> oh sorry, DanaG
[08:49] <DanaG> First result is a pdf.
[08:49] <ethana2> I have Clearw¡re now
[08:50] <ethana2> 128k - 1Mbit i think
[08:50]  * ethana2 goes to bed
[08:50] <DanaG> First
[08:50] <DanaG> try starting downloading something from mirrors.kernel.org
[08:51] <lancerocke> Hello. i dont know if its the name of the process because im just following the  tutorial. How do I find out what window manager is running and shut it off? so i can run openbo
[08:51] <lancerocke> x
[08:51] <DanaG> (that's the first site I remember offhand.  You don't need to bother letting it finish to see your speed, though.)
[08:58] <lancerocke> is there anyone that cna help me kill my current (unknown) window manager so i can run openbox using this tutorial? http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox I dont want to logout and login to openbox using the session manager because it has to be XFCE/OpenBox
[09:07] <lancerocke> is there anyone that cna help me kill my current (unknown) window manager so i can run openbox using this tutorial? http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox I dont want to logout and login to openbox using the session manager because it has to be XFCE/OpenBox
[09:10] <DanaG> Inelegant hackish way: dpkg-divert xfwm4, and symlink openbox over it.
[09:15] <oxigen> why is my text input method different? where do i setup this default globally?
[09:16] <oxigen> this is annoying bug, if 'normal' user get it as default :/
[09:17] <oxigen> must be something related with the latest gnome upgrade..
[09:17] <oxigen> anyone?
[09:18] <oxigen> Amharic input method? What a hack is this?
[09:18]  * oxigen found that you can change text input method with a right mouse button
[09:21]  * oxigen need to change input default also in a bash?!
[09:21] <oxigen> hmm
[09:22] <oxigen> which text input method is the best? IPA perhaps? :)
[09:22] <oxigen> dang, where can i get more info about this?
[09:30] <teamcobra> man, this phenom 9500 seems _unstable_ :(
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> Are you surprised ?
[09:31] <teamcobra> yeah, a bit :p
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> They have a pretty major bug that can only be fixed with a 10% reduction in performance
[09:31] <teamcobra> running memtest now
[09:31] <teamcobra> yeah, the tlb bug, I've read
[09:31] <teamcobra> it just seemed like the thing to go with anyway (esp w/ the 780g chipset motherboard)
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> It makes me think the rest might not be ready yet
[09:32] <teamcobra> brb, smoking a cig
[09:32] <teamcobra> meh, I was just so happy with my x2 (that I'm typing from)
[09:32] <teamcobra> figured it'd be at least as stable
[09:32] <teamcobra> brb
[09:35] <pwuertz> hi, is anyone else having problems with font rendering in hardy?
[09:36] <pwuertz> font-hinting / antialiasing doesn't work properly
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> pwuertz: What makes you think that
[09:36] <pwuertz> the fonts are looking bold and unsharp
[09:37] <pwuertz> started within the last week after some upgrade
[09:37] <mrtimdog> Anyone here use gmusicbrowser and having problems with gstreamer playbin plugin not being found?
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> pwuertz: first thing to check is if your dpi is right - xdpyinfo| grep res | head -1
[09:37] <teamcobra> ooh ram errors
[09:37] <teamcobra> grr
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> Ram is even more crazy cheap now isn't it
[09:38] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: 85x83 dots per inch, in the subpixel hinting options, 96dpi is set
[09:38] <h3sp4wn> I guess the next desktop I use will get 16GB
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> pwuertz: Do you know what it should be ?
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> (Monitor spec sheet or whatever)
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> pwuertz: where are the subpixel hinting options ?
[09:39] <h3sp4wn> (You talking about gnome / kde / xfce)
[09:40] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: gnome appearance preferencces > fonts > details
[09:40] <pwuertz> h3sp4wn: I don't know what it should be.. but I know that i never had to play with these settings before
[09:41] <h3sp4wn> That is interesting - mine is also set to 96
[09:42] <pwuertz> but regardless of this setting... I don't think the font-renderer is supposed to wash-out straight lines
[09:43] <pwuertz> well.. the whole thing started when my fonts appeared bigger than usual after some upgrade
[09:43] <h3sp4wn> That implies the dpi got messed up
[09:44] <pwuertz> ok
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> (as reported by xdpyinfo)
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> 85x83 seems very low
[09:44] <h3sp4wn> recently they have started hardcoding loads of stuff for some reason
[09:45] <teamcobra> hrmm, looks like my probs are 100% ram related, dropping down to 1x2gb dimm works
[09:46] <teamcobra> on a side note, xp x64 also crashes during the installer w/ 8gb ram ;p
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> I have had cheap ram that broke when used in dual channel
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> but tested out fine on its own
[09:47] <teamcobra> ahh... I'll have to find the dual channel setting and disable it
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> I only use Corsair now and haven't had issues since
[09:48] <teamcobra> I'm probably going to install xp on the temp hd in this box (getting the 2.5tb of sata drives tomorrow, this machine is really a server)
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> (10 year warranty is long enough anyway that it will be fine)
[09:48] <teamcobra> but I want to see how the IGP performs playing Stranglehold
[09:48] <teamcobra> ;) ;)
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> Wait you use low grade memory in a server ?
[09:49] <cwillu> define 'server' though
[09:49] <teamcobra> heh, looks like I'm going to be sending it back (the ram)
[09:49] <teamcobra> webserver
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> Anything you really don't want to lose stuff on
[09:49] <h3sp4wn> (where it matters)
[09:49] <teamcobra> yeah, and it does matter
[09:50] <ArtVandalae> Hi guys... is hardy going to use Compiz or Metacity as its comp WM?
[09:50] <cwillu> ArtVandalae, same as gutsy
[09:50] <cwillu> depends on your hardware
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> I am not using ECC on mine (first time ever even at home) but zfs should keep my data consistant
[09:50] <cwillu> they're not switching to compositing metacity if that's what you mean
[09:50] <ArtVandalae> Oh, sorry I meant as compositing WM, because I think WM now offers compositing features as of 2.22
[09:50] <ArtVandalae> ah, thanks
[09:51] <cwillu> yep, but they're using compiz
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> Does metacity need rebuilding to use compositing ?
[09:51] <cwillu> at least, they are as of now
[09:51] <cwillu> no, just have to turn it on in gconf-editor
[09:51] <cwillu> (had the setting on from a long time ago when it didn't do anything, just about reported a bug when it actually started doing something)
[09:51] <ArtVandalae> :)
[09:52] <cwillu> (I run a big enough desktop on a small enough card that the performance is pretty horrid :p)
[09:52] <ArtVandalae> It's "subtle"
[09:52] <cwillu> shadowing and composite (i.e., no visible redraws)
[09:52] <cwillu> the latter is what I miss most from windows
[09:52] <cwillu> redraws that aren't reminiscent of when java's swing was really truly horrid
[09:53] <cwillu> default compiz is pretty subtle too
[09:53] <cwillu> (at least, ubuntu's default)
[09:56] <cwillu> !ff
[09:56] <cwillu> !ff3
[10:02] <cwillu> anyone know if ff-beta4 is in the repo's imminently/
[10:03] <cwillu> (/=?)
[10:03] <dencrypt> it isnt
[10:04] <cwillu> I know it isn't right now, more wondering if anybody has it packaged up, or if I should just download it and do the whole 'home dir install' thing
[10:04] <ArtVandalae> you could try www.getdeb.net they usually package things up fairly quickly
[10:05] <cwillu> no firefox at all
[10:05] <cwillu> I'll just download the tar for now
[10:05] <cwillu> thanks though
[10:05] <oxigen> ah, this change of the text input is a nightmare! how to change this in FF?
[10:06] <cwillu> how so?
[10:06] <cwillu> shift+space?
[10:06] <cwillu> i.e., typing in a different alphabet now?
[10:06] <oxigen> it doesn't type at all, i mean it stops at some point
[10:07] <Ayabara> hey. I'm trying to get vmware server working on Ubuntu Hardy, but I get this error: /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: error while loading shared libraries: libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:07] <oxigen> which is application that control text input in gnome?
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> There is a version in restricted-modules (why the source package is so big)
[10:08] <cwillu> oxigen, do you have a little keyboard icon in the corner?
[10:08] <cwillu> Ayabara, how did you install it?
[10:08] <oxigen> cwillu: no, i removed it yesterday :(
[10:09] <cwillu> oxigen, removed the icon, including disabling the shortcuts? (I don't think removing the icon actually does that)
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> Either build vmware-package from Debian (and use the tarball from vmware) or use the one from lrm
[10:09] <oxigen> cwillu: just remove icon, do you know how to put it back?
[10:10] <cwillu> oxigen, prefs | scim
[10:10]  * oxigen forgot the obscure name of that annoying app :/
[10:10] <cwillu> :)
[10:11] <cwillu> oxigen, I don't know for sure what the proper method of making it go away is, but what I did was remove all the hotkeys under global setup
[10:11] <oxigen> cwillu: ah, thanks :)
[10:13] <oxigen> oxigen: hmm, where is global setup for hotkeys, i want to disable it too! i dont use hotkeys for desktop(?!), i use hotkeys for blender and ardour.
[10:14]  * oxigen dont think it's smart to use hotkeys for a desktop functions
[10:15] <cwillu> oxigen, such as alt-tab?
[10:15] <cwillu> but keyboard shortcuts in prefs is what you want :p
[10:15] <oxigen> well, ok, you are right with this one! :)
[10:20] <cwillu> http://pavlovdotnet.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ff3-ff2-ie7.png
[10:20] <cwillu> impressive
[10:21]  * cwillu snuggles Federico Mena-Quintero
[10:23] <oxigen> cwillu: did you delete trigger keys in your scim setup?
[10:24] <cwillu> oxigen, yep
[10:24] <oxigen> ok, thanks
[10:25] <cwillu> mind you that if something got turned on, turning off the triggers won't disable it, you'll have to find your way through the scim setup thingy and find it
[10:38] <Ayabara> cwillu: I downloaded a tar.gz for Gutsy and ran the install script. after upgrading to hardy I thought that running vmware-config.pl should do it
[10:38] <cwillu> Ayabara, sounds like it did a weird half-install (i.e., put things in non standard places, and didn't update your paths to match
[10:39] <cwillu> have you tried rebooting, or at least relogging?
[10:40] <zniavre> somebody tried globalmenu on hardy please?
[10:40] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/global_menu
[10:40] <cwillu> wzzat?
[10:41] <cwillu> zniavre, which way of installing it did you try?
[10:41] <zniavre> noone atm
[10:42] <zniavre> no one*
[10:42] <zniavre> with gutsy i built from source
[10:42] <cwillu> so you want me to try installing it so I can tell you if it'll hose your system? :p
[10:42] <AnAnt> Hello, I got an nVidia graphics card, and when I boot using kernel 2.4.26-12, the virtual console is blank (can only see the cursor), and X doesn't work properly, I use nvidia-glx-new
[10:42] <Ayabara> cwillu: rebooting didn't help.
[10:42] <Ayabara> cwillu: should probably reinstall it..
[10:42] <zniavre> cwillu: not at all  i just wanted to know if somebody tried without any worries
[10:43] <zniavre> sorry for miunderstanding
[10:43] <zniavre> misù
[10:43] <AnAnt> oops, I meant 2.6.24-12
[10:43] <cwillu> :)
[10:43] <cwillu> zniavre, no idea, sorry
[10:44] <AnAnt> I got an nVidia graphics card, and when I boot using kernel 2.6.24-12, the virtual console is blank (can only see the cursor), and X doesn't work properly, I use nvidia-glx-new. So I have to use the 2.6.24-11 kernel & downgrade nvidia-glx-new in order to make my laptop work
[10:44] <zniavre> ok thank you
[10:44] <AnAnt> anyone else has that problem ?
[10:44] <cwillu> AnAnt, could be, I haven't rebooted in a couple weeks
[10:44] <vistakiller> anyone use kubuntu hardy?
[10:44] <vistakiller> with kde 3.5.9?
[10:44] <AnAnt> oh, and sound doesn't work too
[10:45] <cwillu> Ayabara, ya, best to reinstall
[10:45] <RAOF> AnAnt: No.  Works just fine here.
[10:45] <ethana2> Is FF3 beta4 in repos yet, by the way?
[10:46] <AnAnt> RAOF: using nVidia ?
[10:46] <RAOF> AnAnt: Yes.
[10:46] <henkjan> no
[10:46] <vistakiller> no
[10:46] <AnAnt> RAOF: I mean is your sound chip an nVidia one ?
[10:46] <cwillu> ethana2, nope;  I just downloaded the gz and started it by hand for now
[10:46] <Ayabara> cwillu: any advice on how I can do a complete removal?
[10:46] <RAOF> AnAnt: No, it's not.  Why would this be a problem?
[10:46] <cwillu> Ayabara, that'd be why people like package based distros :p
[10:46] <AnAnt> RAOF: mine is an nvidia
[10:46] <cwillu> Ayabara, you can probably just delete /usr/local/vm...
[10:46] <AnAnt> 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
[10:47] <cwillu> Ayabara, but it's really up to what they did when you installed
[10:47] <cwillu> Ayabara, there may be a 'make uninstall' target you can run
[10:47] <Ayabara> cwillu: found a vmware-uninstall.pl. trying that one
[10:47] <cwillu> :)
[10:47] <cwillu> good bet :p
[10:49] <h3sp4wn> What has happened with regards to this font rendering stuff
[10:50] <h3sp4wn> in gnome 2.20 it was fixed used the edid no longer hardcoded at 96 anywhere
[11:06] <jetsaredim> can someone explain the whole scim thing to me??
[11:07] <jetsaredim> I don't understand why as a single-language speaker that doesn't ever need to read/write complicated languages would ever need scim installed on their system - let alone running
[11:08] <void^> well, ubuntu comes with many things most users will most likely never need
[11:08] <jetsaredim> right - but most of those are not running be default
[11:08] <void^> and scim has been quite a pain to setup for a lot of people so i think it's not a bad move
[11:09] <jetsaredim> its one thing to install some random piece of software - but quite another to install a frivolous daemon
[11:09] <jetsaredim> same with the damned desktop search daemons
[11:09] <jetsaredim> useless
[11:10] <void^> i'm sure the configuration isn't finalized yet.. it's still sort of early beta
[11:10] <jetsaredim> alpha I believe
[11:15] <mrtimdog> scim is a recommended package and not a dependency. It's installed as installing a package installs its recommended packages by default.
[11:17] <mrtimdog> When I installed hardy, I first installed a minimal installation and removed /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu which instructs apt to do this before installing ubuntu-desktop.
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> I dunno why treating recommends as dependancies is the default
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> (For anything, its been that with aptitude forever though but its easy to change)
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> other box should be 131x132 but its hardcoded to 96 also
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> (for Xft
[11:28] <jetsaredim> now I seem to have scim installed - but under kubuntu - so I don't have the options mentioned in the bug that allow scim to be turned off
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> aptitude purge scim~i
[11:31] <jetsaredim> i would if i could type sudo in a terminal
[11:31] <oxigen> :)
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> ctrl - alt + f1
[11:32] <jetsaredim> nice - purge of skim == remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:33] <oxigen> purge is dirty solution, i believe it's useful in some cases, but as someone said, it's not good to run with some obscure default setup, this must be probably set by user at install time
[11:34] <Unksi> jetsaredim: its only metapackage, you can let it go
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> removeing any of the packages in the meta-package of kubuntu-desktop will remove kubuntu-desktop wont it.
[11:34] <jetsaredim> does removing scim affect ubuntu-desktop?
[11:35] <jetsaredim> also - seems kind of odd that it would affect the meta package when removing a package that was only recommended by the metapackage
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> If ubuntu-desktop had it listed as a depenency it should.
[11:35] <jetsaredim> Dr_Willis: even a recommended dep?
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> jetsaredim,  no idea on that. reccommended to me does not mean its required.
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> kubuntu-desktop may require it, and ubuntu-desktop just reccomends it.
[11:36] <jetsaredim> same to me
[11:37] <jetsaredim> $ apt-cache depends kubuntu-desktop | grep skim ...  Recommends: skim
[11:42] <mbirkis> hi! is there a way to have the pavucontrol show when i double click the volume control instead of the "old" volume control?
[11:49] <mbirkis> nevermind, i found the padevchooser
[11:49] <mbirkis> it suits my needs
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Anyone else notice that  when upgrading - it keeps installing the  386 kernel by default? Ive removed the  386 kernel twice now. :)
[12:01] <Pici> Dr_Willis: I've noticed that on many upgrades.
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> also noticed that  it complained about my grub menu.lst changes.. and if i wasent carefull in what i picked. It would  either. use MY config. which resulted in the new kernels not getting added.. or use the new config, which resulted in  my changes getting removed. :)
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall the older ubuntus having this issue.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> The extent of my changes is to uncomment the Windows example entry, so I have windows as my first menu item.
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Update says my smb.conf has been locally modified.. and I dont rember ever modifying it  on this machine.
[12:07] <Leerok> Hey hoy hauki!
[12:29] <steph_> Can someone tell me why after an upgrade I don't see proprietary drivers anymore?
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> I would guess that your kernel defaulted to the  386 kernel perhaps? i had an issue with that just yesterday...
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> had to tell grub to boot the -generic one and reinstall the drivers.
[12:31] <steph_> I'm running the rt kernel. Do I use the same procedures?
[12:35] <steph_> Thanks Doc ;)
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> No idea on that.
[12:42]  * Dr_Willis looks in synaptic for the rt kernel
[12:59] <firevultureeyes> Hi, I need to remove <IP_ADDRESS> from my routing table. I commented out link-local <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/networks, now all I need to do is find Ubuntu's equivalent to Fedora's /etc/sysconfig/network file so I can add NOZEROCONF=yes to be rid of <IP_ADDRESS> forever, what file is this in Ubuntu please?
[12:59] <ThRixXx> Is it a good idea to install Hardy Heron ? The alpha6 one
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> There are issues withit..  so if you have to ask.. well id say wait.
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> if you want to play with it. go for it.
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> notice the topic message. :)
[13:01] <firevultureeyes> Dr_Willis, can you help me please?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> firevultureeyes,  Hmm over my head in many ways. You could grep the files in /etc/ looking for  ZEROCONF
[13:02] <ThRixXx> how long abouts till alpha & ?
[13:02] <firevultureeyes> Dr_Willis, thanks, nothing found, I have zeroconf uninstalled, but this is something which needs to be specified for this route to disappear
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Ive never  had to mess with the networking stuff that much.   Sorry.
[13:03] <firevultureeyes> Dr_Willis, thank you for the try
[13:04] <Leerok> What issues are there?
[13:05] <Leerok> It seems to work well enough thus far.
[13:05] <Leerok> For at least Abiword and Firefox.
[13:05] <Leerok> Which is all that's needed, mostly.
[13:05] <Pici> The other day sound completely broke due to a kernel update, that would be completely unnacceptable in a regular release.
[13:05] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:06] <Leerok> What sound card?
[13:06] <Pici> Leerok: All of them.
[13:06] <Leerok> Oh?
[13:06] <Leerok> Wow.
[13:09] <firevultureeyes> ok this should be enough route del -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[13:10] <axisys> can I upgrade to 2.6.24-12 ? I know sound was broken with that release last week ..
[13:10] <Pici> axisys: Sound is fixed now
[13:10] <irelinquish> they fixed my sound
[13:10] <axisys> Pici: oohoo!
[13:10] <axisys> irelinquish, Pici thnx guys
[13:10] <Sadistt0> is it hardy somethink like deb unstable or worst ? (sorry english is not my first language)
[13:11] <Leerok> More like deb testing.
[13:11] <savvas> Sadistt0: something like debian unstable, some if not most packages are checked before being released
[13:12] <savvas> that doesn't mean it's not crashing though :P
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> sound was totally broke for everyone. :) heh heh
[13:12] <oxigen> for me not!
[13:12] <irelinquish> i'm hardy and it is totally stable for me
[13:12] <oxigen> i was on rt kernel
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> the 386 kernels seem to keep gettting reinstalled for me.
[13:12] <Leerok> I just installed it on some computers yesterday.
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> the smb browsing feature was broke for a long time.
[13:13] <Sadistt0> basicly i am a debian user but iplaying with gentoo now but... it is not a distribution for laptop....
[13:14] <Leerok> Time for Xubuntu.
[13:14] <savvas> what's the rt kernel for?
[13:14] <Sadistt0> savvas realtime
[13:14] <Leerok> Realtime, I think.
[13:14] <savvas> er.. what's the difference between -generic and -rt? :P
[13:14] <Leerok> What does it actually do differently from the non-realtime kernel?
[13:14] <orvokki> Doesn't it actually mean pre-emptive kernel locks + 1000 HZ clock?
[13:14] <oxigen> rt is good for a sound low latency
[13:14] <oxigen> ardour and co
[13:15] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:15] <orvokki> Hz even.
[13:15] <savvas> for stoneage machines?
[13:15] <Sadistt0> :)
[13:15] <Sadistt0> no
[13:15] <savvas> ok :p
[13:15] <Leerok> Hmm.
[13:15] <savvas> !xen
[13:15] <teamcobra> wowow, w/ 4gb ram + phenom 9500, the 780g chipset for the win!
[13:16] <Leerok> What is a phenom 9500?
[13:16] <Sadistt0> btw i have a 486sux4 laptop 75mhz/16 mb ram... it works perfectly as  terminal :-D
[13:16] <teamcobra> Leerok: AMD quad-core chip
[13:16] <Leerok> Oivey.
[13:16] <teamcobra> 2.2ghz on each core
[13:16] <teamcobra> yup, it's going to be a server in a few days
[13:17] <Leerok> Sounds like a machine to play four instances of Dwarf Fortresses on.
[13:17] <teamcobra> but I'm playing with it in the meantime ;)
[13:17] <henkjan> teamcobra: i beat you with 2x sun t1000 (1 proc 8cores 4threads p/core) 16G ram
[13:17] <teamcobra> the IGP is _phenomenal_ for a $70usd board though, even plays stranglehold in 1024x768 w/o probs
[13:17] <teamcobra> henkjan, nice ;)
[13:18] <savvas> i'll just wait for them to release a core quad-duo :p
[13:18] <teamcobra> I really can't explain how surprised I am by the igp though.... radeon hd 3200
[13:18] <henkjan> and of course an sun x4500 with 48x hdd
[13:19] <savvas> the xen kernel is x86 right/
[13:19] <savvas> ?
[13:19] <teamcobra> henkjan: of course, what good would all that cpu be w/o storage? ;)
[13:19] <emilis_info> hmm
[13:19] <henkjan> savvas: x86 and x64
[13:20] <emilis_info> what is apparmor? and why does it prevent mysqld from using custom datadir?
[13:20] <Leerok> With /dev/shm, one needs no storage!
[13:20] <emilis_info> :)
[13:20] <Sadistt0> :)
[13:20] <henkjan> !apparmor
[13:20] <emilis_info> :)
[13:20] <savvas> henkjan: how does linux-xen which architecture to install then? :\
[13:21] <axisys> Leerok: interesting! so /dev/shm is the real memory?
[13:21] <Sadistt0> u can install x64 host system and use x32 guests
[13:21] <teamcobra> is there a certain point in which more swap would be bad?
[13:21] <Sadistt0> but on x32 system u can use x64 guests
[13:21] <Leerok> As far as I know.
[13:21] <Leerok> It does write extremely quickly.
[13:22] <Leerok> And one can delete files from it extremely quickly.
[13:22] <savvas> teamcobra: neah, but I don't think that you need more than 3-4gb :P
[13:22] <Leerok> Much more so than the hard drive.
[13:22] <Leerok> Its size is also directly related to the amount of RAM installed.
[13:22] <axisys> Leerok: but you need to flush to disk if you need to preserve those data though.. no?
[13:22] <Leerok> Therefore, I believe that the entire thing does, indeed, reside within RAM.
[13:22] <Leerok> Yes.
[13:22] <teamcobra> savvas: heh, I'm going to be running some _crazy_ shit on this box....  voip server, web server, mail server, other evil shit
[13:23] <teamcobra> erp, pardon my language
[13:23] <Leerok> But I use my devshm for downloading anime and reducing load on the hard drive while downloading torrents.
[13:23] <axisys> Leerok: and it can be done as write behind through a different thread?
[13:23] <Leerok> "write behind"?
[13:23] <teamcobra> Leerok: ok, for a machine w/ 8gb ram and serving up remote desktops
[13:23] <savvas> woooaa, hold a sec, what's devshm? :)
[13:23] <savvas> ah never mind, i'll google it
[13:23] <Leerok> "Shared memory".
[13:24] <Leerok> Basically, it's a RAM disk.
[13:24] <axisys> Leerok: that means u r write process is not getting prioroty and hence u r not introducing any slow I/O
[13:24] <Leerok> Ubuntu uses it while running from the CD.
[13:24] <Leerok> That's why you can "install" stuff while running from the CD.
[13:25] <Leerok> axisys, I've no idea.
[13:25] <axisys> Leerok: its cool
[13:25] <savvas> ah
[13:25] <Leerok> Did you ever notice that you can apt-get install stuff while running from the CD?
[13:26] <teamcobra> hardy on this machine feels so nice ;) I can't wait to see how it runs w/ sata drives (I have a 20gb clunker from the late 90s in here ;p)
[13:26] <Sadistt0> :)
[13:26] <Leerok> Twenty?
[13:26] <Leerok> Good lord.
[13:26] <savvas> Leerok: yep, that's how i used to chat using irssi while installing :P
[13:27] <teamcobra> Leerok: yeah, I had a 30, but it failed ;p ;p
[13:27] <teamcobra> my other machines are all laptops ;P
[13:27] <Leerok> Ah.
[13:27] <Leerok> Can't say I'm a fan of laptops and other portable devices.
[13:27] <teamcobra> the nicest one has a geforce 6150go in it, and this mops the floor w/ it
[13:28] <Sadistt0> i have a router with 2x6.4 quantum's on raid0  :)
[13:28] <teamcobra> I love my laptop, but I wish it were more powerful every day ;p
[13:28] <teamcobra> hahahahah Sadistt0
[13:28] <Leerok> Mopping the floor with electronic equipment sounds like an appalling idea.
[13:28] <teamcobra> I'll probably use this chipset in the near future for a ubuntu htpc, going to give alienarena a run in a minute ;)
[13:28] <Sadistt0> it works several yrs for now
[13:50] <lunks> There's a volume slider called "PCM" which, if set it to anything higher than 'middle' range will degrade sound performance badly.
[13:50] <macogw> anyone here using the iwl3945 driver and unable to use WEP
[13:51] <mithro> hi! I just did an update and now all my fonts have changed - I really preferred the older ones
[13:51] <macogw> yeah that happened last week
[13:52] <macogw> the dpi changed according to some people
[13:52] <macogw> just play around with that section
[13:52] <Unksi> yea it changed for me too, but then after one reboot it changed back
[13:52] <Unksi> shame though, it was better for that while :P
[13:53] <mithro> macogw: it seems to be more then just the DPI :/
[13:54] <mithro> macogw: as I seem to have the same DPI but the fonts look totally different
[13:56] <mithro> it is almost like there are two monospace fonts installed
[13:56] <Sadistt0> dpi 96 looks fine with tahoma
[13:57] <macogw> so..nobody else uses iwl3945?
[13:58] <Sadistt0> wifi in linus is a mess
[13:58] <Sadistt0> linux even
[13:59]  * mithro uses iwl3945
[13:59] <Sadistt0> i have atheros wifi card on my laptop... it works only with ndiswrapper
[13:59] <mithro> macogw: you getting performance problems?
[13:59] <macogw> if i connect to a WEP-protected network, it just keeps asking for the passphrase
[14:00] <macogw> it never finishes connecting
[14:01] <macogw> mithro: ^
[14:01] <glance> hurm. Anyone else having problems with console-kit?
[14:01] <mithro> macogw: works fine with both WEP and WPA for me
[14:01] <glance> console-kit-daemon[5506]: WARNING: Failed to acquire org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit
[14:02] <mithro> just loads of spam in dmesg
[14:02] <macogw> hmm ive tried two different wep networks
[14:02] <lunks> There's a volume slider called "PCM" which, if set it to anything higher than 'middle' range will degrade sound performance badly.
[14:02] <lunks> I'm not expecting this behaviour. :)
[14:03] <macogw> i use wpa at home so i never noticed, but i couldnt figure out what was wrong in the cs department, except i was at a friend's yesterday and his wep-based wireless refused to accept the password from my laptop....works fine from his suse laptop
[14:03] <lunks> Sadistt0, I wish I had your card =~
[14:04] <Sadistt0> lunks why ?
[14:04] <Sadistt0> atheros AR5007EG
[14:04] <lunks> Sadistt0, it works much better than mine (a broadcom)
[14:04] <Sadistt0> no drivers at this time :)
[14:04] <lunks> Sadistt0, you probably should use madwifi
[14:04] <lunks> not sure
[14:05] <Sadistt0> madwifi donesn't support that chip
[14:05] <lunks> but yes, atheros cards are among best wireless card for windows
[14:05] <Sadistt0> yet
[14:06] <Sadistt0> only unnoficial patch for madwifi but.....
[14:06] <Sadistt0> ~ 50 % packet loss
[14:07] <lunks> hmm too bad
[14:07] <glance> madwifi is a good driver.
[14:07] <glance> one of the better.
[14:07] <Sadistt0> yeah
[14:08] <Sadistt0> but not for new chipsets :)
[14:08] <glance> is't that guy still emploied by atheros for hacking on madwifi?
[14:08] <mithro> so any idea how to fix the font things back to the way it was before
[14:10] <Sadistt0> try dpkg-reconfigure fonconfig
[14:10] <Sadistt0> fontconfig
[14:10] <Sadistt0> and remove ~/.fonts.conf
[14:11] <teamcobra> wow, 171fps in nexuiz
[14:12] <mcquaid> I'm still on gutsy, but I installed hardy for a friend (alpha 6) and noticed that for any program, if I select a program in the menu and choose add to desktop, there are no icons
[14:12] <mcquaid> just shows the blank paper type icon
[14:12] <mithro> brb
[14:12] <mcquaid> is this a known bug?
[14:12] <Sadistt0> mithro http://howtoforge.org/sharp_fonts_gnome
[14:12] <strabes> mcquaid: you probably shouldn't have installed hardy on a friend's computer; it's still in development and quite buggy.
[14:13] <Sadistt0> try to enable desktop icons on gconf configurator
[14:13] <mcquaid> strabes, yes I would have rather gone gutsy, but he just got this hardware, his onboard sound is only supported in latest alsa, and he needed the latest nvidia for his onboard nvidia 7150
[14:13] <savvas> mithro: try sudo fc-cache -f -v && fc-cache -f -v ~/.fonts
[14:14] <savvas> eh
[14:14] <Sadistt0> mcquaid Applications > System Tools, open the Configuration Editor. In the Configuration Editor, select apps and under that nautilus and desktop. Check the available boxes to display the desktop icons of your choice. Icons include Computer, Network Servers, Home Folder, and of course Trash.
[14:14] <strabes> mcquaid: oh, bummer.
[14:14] <mcquaid> so if I went gutsy he'd have no nvidia and no sound, so I told him this is in development and he was aware that it's in a state of flux at the moment
[14:15] <Leerok> Gutsy has no nvidia and no sound?
[14:15] <Leerok> What?
[14:15] <Leerok> You mean Hardy?
[14:15] <mcquaid> Sadistt0, computer network servers, home folder icons appear fine.  it's any other app. firefox, gedit or anything else he manually adds to his desktop
[14:15] <mcquaid> Leerok, his onboard sound is only supported in alsa 0.14+ which is not in gutsy. and his onboard nvidia 7150 requires 169 which again is not in gutsy
[14:16] <Leerok> Oh, I see.
[14:16] <mcquaid> so it was hardy or nothing.  or i could have installed gutsy, and   manually compiled alsa and nvidia which is a pain
[14:16] <Sadistt0> a pain ? :)
[14:17] <mcquaid> heh
[14:17] <Leerok> sudo apt-get build-dep (alsa)
[14:17] <Leerok> sudo apt-get -b source (alsa)
[14:17] <Leerok> Whatever the name of the alsa is.
[14:17] <mcquaid> Leerok, that's using the source packages in gutsy, which is outdated
[14:17] <Leerok> Err, just thought about it, and it probably wouldn't work.
[14:17] <Leerok> Right.
[14:18] <mcquaid> everything is working pretty good for him, just minor issues
[14:18] <mcquaid> anyway, so could someone tell me if they add say firefox to the desktop do you get an icon?
[14:20] <lunks> Sadistt0, Wouldn't this work?
[14:22] <strabes> mcquaid: When I add a firefox launcher to the desktop it doesn't have the firefox icon
[14:22] <strabes> mcquaid: when i add it to panel, it does.
[14:22] <mcquaid> ok thx strabes
[14:22] <mcquaid> strabes, are you on alpha 6 or do you update daily?
[14:22] <strabes> mcquaid: you can easily fix this by just going to properties on the icon and choosing your own.
[14:22] <strabes> mcquaid: installed from alpha 5, dist-upgrade daily
[14:23] <mcquaid> yes, i told him that on the phone, but gnome never defaults to the icon dir which is annoying
[14:23] <strabes> mcquaid: i don't use the SVN or anything
[14:23] <mcquaid> why don't they fix that...
[14:23] <Pici> What icon does it get?
[14:23] <strabes> mcquaid: it's just a file selection box
[14:23] <strabes> Pici: it's just a piece of paper on my screen
[14:23] <mcquaid> like a blank piece of paper
[14:23] <mcquaid> ya same thing
[14:24] <mcquaid> gnome of old used to bring you to an icon selection screen. categorized. now it's just the file chooser and it's up to the user to know where to look
[14:24] <Pici> I was having an issue with a launcher icon on gnome-panel yesterday.
[14:25] <Pici> mcquaid: Really? The gnome-panel launcher thing gives you the icon select thing.
[14:25] <mcquaid> his icons on the panel are fine, just the desktop
[14:25] <strabes> mcquaid: try /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox-3.0.png
[14:25] <Sadistt0> lunks no :) 10+ % packet loss == not working  :)
[14:25] <mcquaid> thx strabes
[14:25] <setuid> Anyone know how to get a VPN connection working (using pptp) from Linux through SecurID?
[14:25] <strabes> mcquaid: i just added a launcher to my panel and then went to properties & clicked on the icon to find where it was.
[14:25] <mcquaid> Pici, no what I meant was, gnome (forget what version) about 2 years ago used to give an icon select thing
[14:25] <setuid> I found this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-configure-ubuntu-fedora-linux-pptp-client.html
[14:25] <setuid> But it doesn't seem to work, because NetworkManager is braindead
[14:27] <Sadistt0> NetworkManager is a good idea but in practice is a piece of ..... :)
[14:27] <strabes> ?? nm-applet works great...?
[14:27] <strabes> for me.....
[14:28] <setuid> Sure, I've configured the VPN connection there and then... nothing. There's no way to access it, launch it, start it, etc.
[14:28] <Pici> strabes: nm applet works for the first time for me in hardy
[14:45] <shirish> ubotu Ubuntu Small Business Server
[14:45] <shirish> !sbs
[14:45] <ubotwo> How should I know?
[14:46] <shirish> ubotwo: I was talking to the bot, not to do you, dear sir/ma'am.
[14:46] <probono> hi all, how can I mount something in hardy so that it does _not_ show up on the dektop as a mounted disk? (i'm trying to loop-mount an ISO that should NOT show up on the desktop)
[14:46] <void^> !bot
[14:46] <ubotwo> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[14:46] <LjL> ...
[14:47] <shirish> !Server
[14:47] <ubotwo> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support
[15:07] <jetsaredim> is anyone seeing issues with the latest kde packages?
[15:08] <jetsaredim> all of my kde apps (konsole, kaffeine, etc.) when I try to launch a new app or move - it takes forever to paint a new window
[15:09] <jetsaredim> as in, the window will show up and you can see the outlines of all of the qt objects in the window - but they are non-functional/blurry
[15:10] <jetsaredim> I would think this is system-wide, but my gtk apps seem unaffected by this
[15:11] <jetsaredim> firefox, thunderbird, pidgin all seem to work fine
[15:12] <jetsaredim> is anyone else seeing this behavior??
[15:12] <jetsaredim> I just installed hardy on this system last weekend and finally got everything setup the way I like it
[15:13] <Assid> wassup
[15:13] <jetsaredim> all of my kde apps (konsole, kaffeine, etc.) when I try to launch a new app or move - it takes forever to paint a new window
[15:33] <khamael> how much slower is wubi compared to a regular install?
[15:39] <vistakiller> not to much khamel
[15:43] <lunaphyte_> hi :)
[15:44] <jetsaredim> so - no one is seeing the same problems as me in kde on hardy???
[15:44] <jetsaredim> can anyone suggest how I might be able to fix this?
[15:45] <KrimZon> is anyone else having problems getting audacity to use any sound devices?
[15:46] <tgelter> probono: did you figure out your issue?
[15:47] <vistakiller> jets what problem?
[15:47] <vistakiller> jetsaredim?
[15:48] <jetsaredim> any time i open a kde app it just hangs for about a minute while painting
[15:48] <jetsaredim> all the kde apps freeze
[15:48] <vistakiller> no i dont have this prob
[15:49] <vistakiller> have you install gpu driver?
[15:49] <jetsaredim> well - the thing is
[15:49] <jetsaredim> all of my gtk apps are fine
[15:49] <jetsaredim> firefox, thunderbird, pidgin
[15:49] <jetsaredim> all fine
[15:49] <jetsaredim> but my konsole windows refuse to take any input
[15:50] <vistakiller> i dont have this problem and i always run compiz-fusion
[15:51] <void^> i've seen that issue when running Xgl on fglrx and kde
[15:51] <jetsaredim> i'm not running anything complicated like that
[15:51] <jetsaredim> i'm running the nvidia drivers
[15:51] <tgelter> probono: launch gconf-editor, then choose:    / ---> apps ---> nautilus ---> desktop   .    Then uncheck the "volumes_visible" option
[15:51] <jetsaredim> whatever is latest in hardy
[16:01] <probono> tgelter: i hoped i could define this more fine-grained, not globally but at mount-time (e.g. mount -o loop,nonotshowondesktop ;-)
[16:02] <probono> especially, loop-mounted ISOs should not launch in a new window
[16:02] <jetsaredim> i'm seriously losing my mind
[16:02] <probono> tmpfs doesn't show up on the desktop, so there must be a way to suppress it
[16:04] <tgelter> probono: I don't doubt that there's a way, I'm not familiar with one
[16:04] <probono> or in other words, i want to get it back as it was until gutsy
[16:04] <probono> something must have changed in hardy
[16:05] <probono> and i want to undo that change
[16:05] <probono> up to gutsy, loop-mounted ISOs did not come up on the desktop and did not open a nautilus window
[16:05] <probono> now they do
[16:10] <savvas> probono: there is a way, mount it in /mnt/ instead of /media/, it won't show up on your desktop :)
[16:10] <probono> i even mount it in $HOME/.tmp/mnt
[16:10] <probono> and it _does_ show up
[16:11] <savvas> serious?
[16:11] <savvas> wait
[16:11] <probono> yes
[16:13] <savvas> bugi t
[16:13] <savvas> *bug it :P
[16:13] <probono> that's a bug, and you can reproduce it?
[16:14] <savvas> well it's bugging me that's it doesn't have a way to mount a hard drive without popping it up on desktop
[16:14] <probono> right
[16:14] <savvas> I guess it'll come up in wishlist
[16:15] <probono> it really breaks the operation of my app :-)
[16:15] <probono> :-(
[16:15] <savvas> put [wish] along with your subject :P
[16:15] <probono> which package should i file this against?
[16:15] <savvas> no idea
[16:19] <savvas> probono: give me the link to confirm afterwards
[16:19] <probono> yes savvas
[16:22] <Skiessi> still no ff beta 4?
[16:23] <jester7> window 2
[16:23] <savvas> no Skiessi
[16:23] <Skiessi> but why?
[16:24] <Skiessi> they say it's a lot better o_o
[16:24] <savvas> If you can't wait, you can try the binary :p
[16:28] <savvas> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
[16:29]  * lamalex is waiting for the package to land in hardy
[16:29] <lamalex> but wants it to land now!!
[16:29] <savvas> all good things in life delay :P
[16:30]  * lamalex puts on his zen hat
[16:30] <jester7> i missed it..is beta 3 the one currently in hardy?
[16:30] <savvas> yes
[16:30] <orvokki> !info firefox
[16:30] <ubotwo> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8960 kB, installed size 26008 kB (Only available for None)
[16:31] <lamalex> heh
[16:31] <orvokki> Why does that give package versions for the wrong release?
[16:31] <lamalex> ubotwo needs to be linked to hardy repo in here
[16:31] <orvokki> It did.
[16:31] <mouseclone> I was told to ask here .. so i'm just going to paste
[16:31] <orvokki> Or I mean, it was. Something's broken.
[16:31] <mouseclone> I have a hardware question.  I'm looking at building a new pc for 8.04.  I'm looking at the AMD Phenom 9500 setup.  I'm wondering if Ubuntu 64 will take advantage of the proc?  Also should I go nVidia or ATI? I know that nVidia is closed source drivers and ATI is open, any recomendations?
[16:32] <lamalex> mouseclone: are you set on an AMD setup?
[16:32] <rsk> mouseclone: sure the phenom is good, if you want to use ati with open source drivers it will only woork good up too r200. afaik 9200 as higest. no 3d for r300 and up. nvidia's closed source binary woorks good for all cards
[16:33] <savvas> mouseclone: intel or nvidia are currently the best, 64-bit does not have java plugin for firefox
[16:33] <lamalex> rsk: that's going to be false soon, if not already
[16:33] <lamalex> AMD released specs for all of their cards and drivers are in the works
[16:33] <orvokki> lamalex: Probably doesn't matter for Hardy though.
[16:34] <orvokki> nVidia would still be the better short-term investment.
[16:34] <lamalex> unfortunately, but to build a system for one release is foolish, in 6 months there will be a new release
[16:34] <rsk> lamalex: writing a complete driver for all cards out there will take more than a few months.
[16:34] <mouseclone> well I do game and I have been a really big fan of AMD for a very long time.  I also like nVidia over ATI, I just looking for the better set up
[16:34] <savvas> lamalex: it's a long term release ;)
[16:34] <rsk> not 'soonish'
[16:35] <lamalex> savvas: yeah, but that doesn't mean you're going to use it for all 3 years
[16:35] <savvas> maybe it will
[16:35] <orvokki> mouseclone: If you're not going for integrated, you can always upgrade to an ATI later.
[16:35] <savvas> my server beside me will :P
[16:35] <DanaG> I'm sick of my nvidia issues; come summer, when I get myself a new laptop, I will seriously consider ATI (as long as they're not significantly worse than nvidia) then.
[16:35] <lamalex> savvas: but graphics driver probably don't matter to your server
[16:35] <orvokki> Though Intel is making alot of progress on that front too as far as I've heard.
[16:36] <DanaG> For a server, you might as well save power by going integrated.
[16:36] <DanaG> And it'd be cool get something that can give you native-resolution framebuffer.
[16:36] <orvokki> DanaG: Very true.
[16:36] <mouseclone> I have also been looking at the dual socket AMD boards as well
[16:36] <savvas> lamalex: true, but then again.. it's nice to have fancy stuff on a desktop/server heh
[16:37] <mouseclone> I don't buy a PC but once every 7 to 10 years.  I i over kill what I do get.. and try to buy for future upgrads like videocards
[16:37] <lamalex> mouseclone: IMO intel is the way to go if you're building it for linux
[16:38] <orvokki> mouseclone: As for the 64bit vs 32bit, as far as I've heard there is no significant speed difference and 64bit Linux has a bit worse software support.
[16:38] <savvas> intel has good ram memory sharing support
[16:39] <orvokki> So at least *I* would go for a 32bit Ubuntu with a 64bit processor if it's for desktop use.
[16:39] <mouseclone> orvokki: software support i can get around with a 32bit install.  I just know that one day 64bit software will take hold and I just want to be ready for it
[16:40] <orvokki> mouseclone: That will possibly not happen in years still.
[16:40] <frank_> mouseclone: I've been ready for years for 64bit and still haven't switched. The preformance difference is not great for regular desktop use
[16:40] <mouseclone> i'm just glad to see hardware taking a stand where software will not move.. It will be good for software to program for hardware again
[16:40] <orvokki> You might as well put your /home on another partition and just reinstall if/when the change comes.
[16:41] <orvokki> The change probably comes at the lates on 2038.
[16:41] <mouseclone> orvokki: /home is on another drive right now
[16:41] <orvokki> At latest even.
[16:42] <orvokki> So 30 years is the ultimate deadline for a 32bit only system.
[16:42] <orvokki> Or did I remember wrong?
[16:42] <orvokki> Apparently no.
[16:42] <mouseclone> sorry about that
[16:42] <mouseclone> pidgin crashed
[16:43] <orvokki> 18:42 < orvokki> So 30 years is the ultimate deadline for a 32bit only system.
[16:43] <frank_> orvokki: no not really. the unix time variable could be made unsigned.
[16:44] <orvokki> frank_: Hmm, true. Isn't that already done on some *nixes?
[16:44] <frank_> orvokki: probably... I don't know
[16:45] <orvokki> frank_: Which header file is it defined in? I could attempt to check.
[16:45] <frank_> orvokki: don't know
[16:45] <orvokki> time.h would be a good guess.
[16:48] <DanaG> Hmm, I didn't manage to find an unbroken xorg; I even managed to get a wrong kbd driver (wrong major ABI version).
[16:49] <Raspberry> Why is it still so complicated to mount a SMB / Windows Network Share in Ubuntu
[16:50] <Raspberry> I haven't found a way to setup auto-mounting on login where I can be prompted for my password ... otherwise I have to store the password in plain-text in the /etc/fstab or in the "service" I'm starting with the session
[16:51] <DanaG> nope, xorg still sticky.
[16:51] <Raspberry> You can go to network and find the server and access the resources, but only for that instance of Nautilus or whatever you're using ... none of the applications that want to open or save documents to that location can without having you re-authenticate, if they can at all
[16:52] <tritium> Raspberry: have you tried libpam-mount?
[16:53] <Raspberry> ok -- so if I was using Ubuntu as a "regular" user -- how would I do that?
[16:54] <orvokki> Hmm, maybe you could add the resource to /etc/fstab without password without automount to let it mount it for a normal user or something?
[16:54] <you_idiot> why does my login screen show a silhoute and not the picture as in `about me`?
[16:54] <Raspberry> I'm venting a bit because Linux is such a flexible operating system, but out of the box there's no way to create a persistant network share/connection without a large amount of pre-knowledge... especially with command line stuff
[16:54] <Raspberry> you_idiot: because that's the default
[16:55] <Raspberry> you_idiot: depends on the gdm theme you're using
[16:55] <orvokki> Interesting choice of a nick, by the way.
[16:55] <you_idiot> Raspberry: I have another that shows ther pics, cant remember what Ive done
[16:55] <probono> #201470 savvas
[16:55] <orvokki> Raspberry: Anyway, how about that idea on my previous line?
[16:56] <Raspberry> orvokki: http://www.kroon.co.za/howto.php?howto=cifs_pam_mount
[16:56] <DanaG> Okay, I've found a non-sticky xorg:
[16:56] <tritium> Raspberry: did you see my question?
[16:56] <Raspberry> I'm reading about it
[16:56] <DanaG> 1.4
[16:56] <probono> savvas: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/201470
[16:56] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 201470 in ubuntu "Should be a way to mount silently (no desktop icon, no window opening)" [Undecided,New]
[16:56] <DanaG> (newer versions are 1.4.1)
[16:57] <Raspberry> tritium: http://www.kroon.co.za/howto.php?howto=cifs_pam_mount
[16:57] <tritium> Right, I'm asking if you've tried it.
[16:57] <Raspberry> No I just found out about it when you mentioned it
[16:57] <Raspberry> that's why I said I'm reading about it
[16:58] <tritium> I never got a nick highlight, so I didn't see a reply.
[16:58] <Raspberry> np :)
[16:58] <orvokki> Raspberry: By the way, you probably want to prefer nfs over samba if possible. It's a lot faster. :)
[16:58] <Raspberry> orvokki: nfs has always been a pig for network bandwidth
[16:58] <Raspberry> orvokki: has that changed?
[16:59] <tritium> Raspberry: I've used libpam-mount before, and it worked quite well.
[16:59] <orvokki> Raspberry: *shrug* At least it gives better throughput than samba.
[16:59] <orvokki> That's all I know.
[16:59] <Raspberry> tritium: I'm using libpam for my fingerprint scanner ... and it works great
[16:59] <tritium> Cool.
[17:01] <savvas> thanks probono
[17:01] <Raspberry> there really should be a way that yuou can persistantly mount shares... be it NFS or SMB with just the GUI
[17:03] <Raspberry> in Nautilus I have a bookmark or whatever they call it ... and that woks, but none of the applications can use it... and open / save file dialogs in Gnome don't support accessing network resources on the fly -- which is poor... which is why I love Konqueror / Doph3n / KIO ... it has consistant behavior throughout it's uses
[17:06] <Raspberry> here's another way to do it ... but not great... http://www.mattvanstone.com/2007/11/automatically-mounting-windows-smb-shares-in-ubuntu-v3/
[17:15] <JDahl> did something weird happen with keybindings in the last upgrades?
[17:16] <Pici> JDahl: multimedia keybindings?
[17:19] <JDahl> Pici, no, it's like there some typing assistant gone nuts when I type, deleting characters, reordering characters, adding accents etc
[17:19] <Pici> JDahl: You mean scim?  Yes, that is a known issue.
[17:20] <Pici> Perhaps changing your type to aramaic at random.
[17:20] <JDahl> aha - good to know I am not alonẹ.
[17:44] <Lunks> How do I compile a module? Not on kernel's dir, just the module source code.
[17:45] <Lunks> But it's extracted from a kernel source.
[17:47] <Yacci> hi
[17:47] <Yacci> i have a problem
[17:48] <Sadistt0> who don't
[17:48] <Sadistt0> (:
[17:55] <fak3r> Yacci: rule number 1:  ask a question.
[17:55] <Yacci> yeah^^
[17:55] <Yacci> I need time
[17:55] <Yacci> because in the other channels they talk to me at the moment...
[18:02] <Yacci> Okay, now. My titlebars an windowborders etc. are away.
[18:02] <awen_> anybody working on an IBM Thinkpad and using Ubuntu Hardy (= not Kubuntu)?
[18:04] <Yacci> How can i get them back?
[18:04] <nemo> Yacci: launch metacity
[18:04] <nemo> compiz died
[18:04] <nemo> oh well
[18:08] <Yacci> nemo: I can not launch metacity
[18:08] <Pici> awen_: I am.
[18:09] <Yacci> Windowmanager-Error: unable to open X display
[18:09] <Pici> Yacci: Where are you running the command from?
[18:10] <awen_> Pici: do suspend/hibernate buttons work (eg. fn+f4 and fn+f12)? and you haven't modified the acpi-scripts?
[18:10] <Yacci> strg+alt+f1
[18:10] <nemo> Yacci: you could always launch metacity from a terminal
[18:10] <nemo> if you can't figure out any other way to do it
[18:10] <nemo> Yacci: ctrl-alt-f1, log in, DISPLAY=:0 metacity&
[18:11] <nemo> but alt-f2 should work
[18:11] <Pici> Yacci: You cant run things that run in xwindows from the ttys unless you prefix it with your display ID
[18:11] <nemo> Pici: which I did :)
[18:11] <Pici> awen_: I havent tried them, I dont usually suspend or hibernate on my laptop
[18:11] <Yacci> aha
[18:11] <DanaG> Oh hey, I've temporarily fixed my key 'stuckage' by going back to xserver-xorg-core
[18:11] <Pici> nemo: right, I was typing mine out when you repsonded :)
[18:11] <DanaG> 1.4 (not 1.4.1)
[18:11] <jester7> window 3
[18:11] <jester7> dammit!
[18:12] <awen_> Pici: if you have time to do a test, i would really appreciate it... i'm trying to find out if a bug is kubuntu specific
[18:12] <awen_> Pici: not nescessarily now :)
[18:12] <Yacci> Pici: And what is my DisplayID?^^
[18:13] <nemo> Yacci: odds are it is DISPLAY=:0  as I posted in my instructions :-p
[18:13] <vistakiller> anyone with kubuntu can run beagle search tool?
[18:13] <Pici> awen_: Can't do it now anyway, I'm ssh-ed into the laptop and a few miles away from it
[18:13] <Yacci> hey cool it worked
[18:14] <Yacci> thank you
[18:14] <Yacci> Do I have to do it everytime when i start my computer?
[18:15] <awen_> Pici: no problem... makes it a little hard, i guess
[18:16] <nemo> Yacci: no
[18:16] <Yacci> ok
[18:16] <nemo> Yacci: you should use metacity as your default, which is also accessible in settings.
[18:17] <nemo> Yacci: theme settings - also a tab if you rightclick on desktop and chose change background
[18:17] <nemo> Yacci: but you should also figure out why compiz is failing
[18:17] <nemo> you might be missing graphics acceleration or something.
[18:17] <nemo> Yacci: it'd be easier to play around with this if you opened a terminal first
[18:17] <nemo> then you could do compiz --replace& then metacity&
[18:17] <nemo> a lot more painlessly
[18:19] <Yacci> Checking for Xgl: not present. What does that mean?
[18:20] <nemo> Yacci: probably should go to #compiz-fusion for more detailed debugging ;)
[18:20] <Yacci> okay
[18:20] <nemo> Yacci: so. again. right click on desktop->Change Desktop Background->Visual Effects->None == metacity
[18:20] <nemo> any other value, compiz
[18:21] <Yacci> aha
[18:22] <Yacci> Now ubuntu told me i need to restart.
[18:26] <nemo> say, out of curiosity, is wine still broken for the people here?
[18:35] <Yacci> So
[18:36] <rsk> nemo: no it's fixed now
[18:37] <Yacci> nemo i think the problem has something to do with the kernel [anything]-24-12
[18:40] <gluer> what am i doing up at 5:40am
[18:40] <rsk> pwning
[18:41] <nemo> Yacci: probably just missing some nvidia/ati driver
[18:41] <nemo> rsk: sweet.
[18:41] <Yacci> hm
[18:46] <iter> anyone know where the "monitor resolution settings" applet keeps its conf (hardy)
[18:47] <nemo> xorg.conf? :)
[18:47] <nemo> oh. no. you're right
[18:47] <nemo> it does store it in gconf
[18:47] <nemo> I remember. I had that issue too.
[18:49] <askand> Slow flash performance when compiz is  activated, is that a known bug in hardy?
[18:49] <iter> yeah, I, ahem, disabled my primary lcd on my hardy laptop
[18:49] <nemo> heh.
[18:49] <iter> root login works fine of course
[18:49] <iter> just have to find where in gconf that config is
[18:49] <nemo> I was lucky. I just set my resolution to something idiotic
[18:50] <crdlb> askand: that would be a bug in flash
[18:51] <crdlb> it doesn't use any sort of acceleration, so it's naturally quite slow in compiz
[18:51] <nemo> askand: by any chance is opengl slow too?
[18:51] <nemo> askand: also, do you have some crappy intel graphics card? :)
[18:52] <askand> crdlb: oh..hm no I dont have intel..its an ati..and so far I only know that flash is slow when compiz is turned on and fast when it is turned on :)
[18:52] <crdlb> because of how compiz works
[18:52] <nemo> iter: by any chance would it be the keys under /desktop/gnome/screen ?
[18:52] <gew> i have a b43 wireless , anyway i can change the wlan0_rename ( whatever i googled is not working)
[18:53] <crdlb> askand: drawing is more expensive in compiz, so you see flash's inefficiency
[18:53] <gew> lets say to wlan0 or eth1
[18:53] <nemo> iter: oh, and I think that ATI, at least, has a monitor configuration gui...
[18:53] <nemo> not sure what *that* does
[18:53] <nemo> probably edits xorg.conf...
[18:53] <askand> crdlb: hm but it works on other computers.. thats the strange thing
[18:53] <askand> crdlb: that make it look like its the graphiccard doesnt it?
[18:54] <crdlb> well, with a fast graphics card and CPU, you might not notice it as much
[18:54] <nemo> yeah. with my crappy intel card I have to avoid most of the fun compiz stuff :-/
[18:54] <iter> nemo: hmm don't seem to have /home/user/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen
[18:55] <iter> it's an ATI chipset but everything worked before I borked it
[18:55] <nemo> iter: I was just poking around in gconf-editor - but that would imply you didn't change it. unless it hasn't been written out to disc or something
[18:56] <iter> no, I've restarted the machine so it's on disk for sure
[18:56] <nemo> iter: I've never been clear on when the gconf dæmon alters stuff. I wish, for example, you could modify your ~/.gconf without having to stop it then start it first.
[18:56] <iter> yeah that would be nice
[18:56] <nemo> iter: no xorg.conf.xxxyyyyzzz files? :)
[18:57] <iter> well I have em but they're all empty
[18:57] <nemo> ouch
[18:57] <iter> standard hardy setup I assume
[18:57] <nemo> iter: ummm. xorg log? starting X without gnome? *shrugs helplessly*
[18:58] <iter> if I could remember how to make ls return the full path I could do something like "for i in $(ls -R); do grep Resolution $i; done
[18:59] <DanaG> Hmm, xserver-xorg-base 1.4 (not 1.4.1) unbreaks keys (or rather, unstickyfies).
[19:00] <nemo> iter: why not use find?
[19:00] <nemo> iter: or hell, recursive grep
[19:00] <iter> yeah or locate
[19:01] <iter> didn't work :p
[19:01] <nemo> iter: well. find has the -exec :)
[19:01] <nemo> grep -irl "Resolution" ?
[19:01] <iter> I guess it doesn't have 'solution' in the file
[19:01] <nemo> find -exec grep -iq "resolution" {} \; -print
[19:03] <amx109> im having trouble with partitions being automounted with one error - the directory appears to be empty. a manual umount/mount fixes this. i think it has somethig to do with the 'removable drives' bit of ubuntu
[19:04] <amx109> eg adding the 'disk mounter' applet to my panel shows all my partitions as removable drives. anybody have any insights?
[19:11] <akumar_> how many people here use chatzilla
[19:11] <akumar_> if not wat do you use
[19:11] <nemo> irssi + screen
[19:11] <nemo> that way I don't have to disconnect
[19:11] <iter> woot
[19:12] <iter> irssi forever
[19:12] <nemo> but chatzilla is my next fav - in part perhaps because people using chatzilla can see my face
[19:12] <nemo> (if using the mozfaces theme in prefs)
[19:12] <nemo> iter: irssi + w3m + centerim + pine + screen personally :)
[19:12] <nemo> iter: and cacaview for those annoying captchas :)
[19:12] <nemo> (set as my default w3m viewer)
[19:12] <savvas> nemo: do you know a way to retry connections indefinitely in irssi?
[19:13] <nemo> savvas: I thought that was the default
[19:13] <nemo> hm. maybe I overrode it so long ago I forgot
[19:13] <shirish> guys don't know why but rhythmbox refuses to play
[19:13] <savvas> uhm maybe
[19:13] <nemo> savvas: I've had it retry for days at a time
[19:13] <h3sp4wn> pulse maybe
[19:13] <savvas> but i want it to retry even if it doesn't resolve
[19:13] <nemo> oh. that seems silly
[19:13] <nemo> why not just connect by IP?
[19:14] <savvas> because i'll be disconnected :P
[19:14] <savvas> i mean i want it to retry even if I'm not connected to the internet, because sometimes I get disconnected
[19:15] <nemo> savvas: ... that I'm pretty sure it does, since I've been disconnected before
[19:15] <savvas> hm.. you mean if I put IP instead of the server name it might work?
[19:15] <nemo> but then, I do run my own DNS :)
[19:15] <nemo> and DNS cache
[19:15] <nemo> savvas: IMO yes
[19:15] <savvas> worth a shot
[19:15] <nemo> savvas: or you could add the name to your /etc/hosts
[19:15] <savvas> thanks
[19:15] <nemo> savvas: or run DNS services :)
[19:16] <savvas> i let avahi-daemon do its magic :p
[19:16] <nemo> well, if you ran DNS it'd find those services just fine :)
[19:17] <nemo> plus, you can make fun domains :D
[19:17] <nemo> savvas: http://☠.m8y.org/js/chess.xhtml <- fun domain :)
[19:17] <nemo> punycode is fun
[19:20] <savvas> heh
[19:21] <savvas> you're not nemo from undernet/mozilla, are you? :p
[19:21] <nemo> savvas: well. I haven't been on undernet in ages. so not that one
[19:21] <nemo> savvas: but obviously from moznet, as noted by my comment above :-p
[19:22] <oliver_g2> the x11something upgrade problem is known, yes?
[19:22] <savvas> nemo: probably your evil twin :)
[19:24] <oliver_g2> what I was wondering is, why didn't apport give me a "crash report" for the failed upgrade, which it seems to do usually?
[19:25] <oliver_g2> also, why does the update-manager freeze afterwards (is that related to the broken upgrade)?
[19:27] <thoreauputic> is there a "bleeding-edge" repo for hardy that gets the very latest uploads earlier? Looking for the *-21 kernel and it isn't showing up with hardy-updates etc enabled
[19:27] <thoreauputic> don't all speak at once ;-P
[19:28] <oliver_g2> thoreauputic: not sure, but aren't all Hardy uploads immediately made available?
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> there is -proposed
[19:28] <oliver_g2> maybe the server you use isn't up-to-date yet...
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> I thought kernels were uploaded direct though
[19:28] <thoreauputic> oliver_g2: I'm using the archive.ubuntu.com server :)
[19:29] <thoreauputic> I'll try -proposed...
[19:29] <oliver_g2> thoreauputic: well how did you know about the *-21 kernel?
[19:29] <thoreauputic> oliver_g2: noted in a bug report that it has been uploade
[19:29] <thoreauputic> *uploaded
[19:29] <oliver_g2> oh
[19:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[19:29] <nemo> savvas: gimpnet is the other one I'm usually on
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> could have been a typo
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> s/21/12
[19:30] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: no, it's in the official feed as well
[19:30] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: fixes framebuffer, supposedly
[19:30] <h3sp4wn> I wonder why they would skip so many revisions
[19:30] <thoreauputic> presumably the in between ones didn't work ;-)
[19:31] <oliver_g2> latest on packages.ubuntu.org is *-12 it seems:
[19:31] <oliver_g2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=hardy&section=all
[19:31] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: it's actually <IP_ADDRESS>-21
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> I would just incriment it when it next worked
[19:31] <oliver_g2> oh... wait
[19:31] <oliver_g2> it's *-12.20 :-)
[19:31] <thoreauputic> right
[19:31] <h3sp4wn> so its just another revision of -12 that makes more sense
[19:32]  * thoreauputic tries hardy-proposed...
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> Is it usplash on 1920 x 1200 by any chance that is fixed
[19:35] <thoreauputic> grrr still not there... oh well, I shall wait patiently and try later
[19:36] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/129910 - Ben Collins comments near the bottom of the saga
[19:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 129910 in linux "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> I believe you
[19:36] <thoreauputic> fix released but still not available, apparently :(
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> It doesn't affect my nvidia box though
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> and this box uses radeonfb
[19:37] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: I use nvidia - it affects the tty framebuffers on all hardware
[19:38] <thoreauputic>  vga=xxx produces blank ttys
[19:39] <thoreauputic> I'm trying to nake a no-X live CD based on hardy and this is a show stopper for me
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> Without usplash ?
[19:39] <thoreauputic> see above
[19:39] <thoreauputic> I know whereof I speak :)
[19:39] <h3sp4wn> I know its not affecting me - maybe I won't reboot for a bit
[19:40] <thoreauputic> are you using vga=xxx on your kernel line?
[19:40] <thoreauputic> if not, it won't affect you
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> I have radeonfb in my initramfs
[19:41] <thoreauputic> that didn't answer the question :)
[19:42] <h3sp4wn> its of the new form wait a sec
[19:42] <thoreauputic> you are using 0x format?
[19:42] <thoreauputic> hex, whatever it is
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> video=radeonfb:1024x768-16
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> sorry someone banging on my door - it does work
[19:43] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: if you are getting 80x25 in a tty then the framebuffer isn't working
[19:44] <thoreauputic> hmm maybe I'll try that format...
[19:44] <h3sp4wn> I dunno if it works for vesafb though
[19:45] <thoreauputic> right - well it needs to because the CD could be used on all kinds of hardware
[19:45] <oliver_g2> hmm
[19:45] <h3sp4wn> Can you not just deal with this from a script in the initrd
[19:45] <oliver_g2> anyone know the bugreport for the failing libx11-data upgrade?
[19:46] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: already did that
[19:46] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: it was OK until -20
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> whether to use radeonfb or not
[19:46] <thoreauputic> then it broke again
[19:46] <savvas> oliver_g2: apt-cache policy libx11-data
[19:46] <savvas> 1.1.3-1ubuntu2 ?
[19:46] <oliver_g2> yes
[19:47] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: I would have to include all kinds of stuff - I have no way of knowing what users are running so it has to be generic
[19:47] <savvas> oliver_g2: i have it installed
[19:47] <oliver_g2> savvas: failed to install here
[19:47] <savvas> what's the full error? dependency problem?
[19:47] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn:  http://inx.maincontent.net <-- that's the project
[19:47] <oliver_g2> with "Kann neue Version von »./usr/share/X11/locale/microsoft-cp1251« nicht installieren"
[19:48] <oliver_g2> savvas: "cannot install new version of ./usr/share/X11/locale/microsoft-cp1251"
[19:48] <oliver_g2> ugh...
[19:48] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: trying to update it to Hardy :)
[19:48] <savvas> er..
[19:48] <savvas> oliver_g2: what's your archive mirror? archive.ubuntu.com ?
[19:48] <oliver_g2> ls -l /usr/share/X11/locale/ gives weeeird output :-(
[19:48] <oliver_g2> savvas: afaik I use server for Germany
[19:49] <oliver_g2> ah no... seems to use main server actually
[19:49] <savvas> oliver_g2: try replace the de one with uk.archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntu.com
[19:49] <savvas> hm, then it's weird :P
[19:50] <oliver_g2> savvas: the update came through and I suppose if the downloaded package was broken, the checksum would have found that
[19:50] <h3sp4wn> thoreauputic: right - for me at least though whether I am using radeonfb (or I guess another accelerated one) is the difference between links2 -g
[19:50] <savvas> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2008-03-12 08:42 microsoft-cp1251
[19:50] <savvas> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2008-03-12 08:42 microsoft-cp1255
[19:50] <savvas> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root  4096 2008-03-12 08:42 microsoft-cp1256
[19:50] <h3sp4wn> being just fine and not nice to use at all (with directfb)
[19:50] <oliver_g2> nah...
[19:50] <oliver_g2> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38542 2008-01-07 13:50 locale.dir
[19:50] <oliver_g2> d????????? ? ?    ?        ?                ? microsoft-cp1251
[19:50] <oliver_g2> d????????? ? ?    ?        ?                ? microsoft-cp1255
[19:50] <oliver_g2> d????????? ? ?    ?        ?                ? microsoft-cp1256
[19:50] <oliver_g2> :-D
[19:51] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: do you have links2 -g running without suid root? Fiddled permissions?
[19:51] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: I can get it running by changing various perms, but it freezes when called from a script
[19:52] <oliver_g2> is there a way to force fsck on boot?
[19:52] <savvas> oliver_g2: it might be because you're using the deutche version? :\
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> thoreauputic: I use grml for that
[19:52] <bernier> Hi, I can't get my HDA intel soundcard to wok on hardy even if it was working under gutsy. i followd this tutorial a
[19:52] <bernier> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[19:52] <savvas> oliver_g2: yeah, boot in a live cd :P
[19:52] <h3sp4wn> dunno what they have I never looked
[19:52] <bernier> but didnt work
[19:52] <oliver_g2> pff...
[19:52] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: grml ? Interesting - haven't heaed of that
[19:52]  * thoreauputic looks up grml
[19:52] <savvas> oliver_g2: there was a way to increase the number of mounts, but i forgot
[19:53] <savvas> oliver_g2: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300477
[19:53] <Parsec300> Is it normal in Hardy at the time that some program icons are not added in the menu whereas in Feisty they are? Like if you added WinRar through wine? It doesn't show in the WINE menu.
[19:53] <oliver_g2> ah well... lets try the recovery mode... last time it fixed X, lets see whether the single-user mode works for harcore stuff as well :-)
[19:54] <h3sp4wn> thoreauputic: I like grml they have some similar ideas (using screen etc) But its been around for quite a while now
[19:55] <bernier> Hi, I can't get my HDA intel soundcard to work on hardy even if it was working under gutsy. i followed the HdaIntelSoundHowto tutorial but it didn'twork. Can someone help me?
[19:55] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: apt-cache show says it is used with zsh ?
[19:55] <h3sp4wn> m-a a-i alsa
[19:55] <oliver_g2> savvas: the broken directory might be because Hardy runs in Virtualbox, and I used VBs snapshot mode extensively, so maybe that screwed up the filesystem :-/
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> thoreauputic: http://grml.org/ that is what I am talking about
[19:56] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: thanks, looking :)
[19:56] <h3sp4wn> But grml does use zsh instead of bash with is a plus for me
[19:56] <savvas> oliver_g2: ouch :P isn't there a defragmentation/check option in vbox?
[19:57] <oliver_g2> savvas: good idea :-)
[19:57] <thoreauputic> h3sp4wn: thanks for the tip - I will look at grml: might give me some answers and ideas
[19:58] <savvas> oliver_g2: if you find it, let me know, i'm a bit lost :P
[19:58] <oliver_g2> savvas: lost? in what way?
[19:58] <savvas> i couldn't find such a thing
[19:59] <savvas> maybe it was in vmware
[19:59] <savvas> can't remember
[20:00] <oliver_g2> ugh... after reboot, it starts up with what looks like kernel panics :-(
[20:01] <fuoco> any pulseaudio savvies here? I have a weird problem with it I wasn't able to debug since long ago. Any sound played through gstreamer/pulsesink results in a strong noise
[20:02] <fuoco> when I go directly to alsa sound works perfectly
[20:04] <savvas> oliver_g2: it should fsck'ing, scanning the /dev/ drives
[20:04] <savvas> did you force any updates?
[20:04] <Black_Magic> is there a backup way to  reverse the hardy upgrade
[20:04] <oliver_g2> savvas: it doesn't even boot - seems to panic during reboot
[20:04] <savvas> like sudo apt-get install and kept back updates?
[20:04] <Black_Magic> if something goes wrong and leaves you between gusty
[20:04] <Black_Magic> and hardy?
[20:05] <oliver_g2> gardy? or husty?
[20:05] <oliver_g2> ;)
[20:05] <Black_Magic> Husty
[20:05] <Black_Magic> lol
[20:05] <Black_Magic> my last install was something like that
[20:05] <Black_Magic> couldnt use gtk because
[20:05] <Black_Magic> it couldnt install python things..
[20:05] <savvas> Black_Magic: you keep pushing upgrades
[20:05] <oliver_g2> no, afaik there's no official way to downgrade
[20:05] <Black_Magic> any unofficial..
[20:05] <savvas> i'm afraid there isn't anything that guarantees a safe upgrade
[20:06] <Black_Magic> im hopping everything goes right
[20:06] <Black_Magic> im getting stuff like this https://develop.participatoryculture.org/trac/democracy/wiki/DevelopmentDocs
[20:06] <Black_Magic> not that
[20:06] <savvas> Black_Magic: i think i told you before, or maybe it was someone else, format root / partition and keep your /home in a separate partition, this way you can upgrade or downgrade quite easily
[20:06] <Black_Magic> unknow media type 'x-content/software'
[20:07] <Black_Magic> and other things like that
[20:07] <savvas> ah that's normal :)
[20:07] <savvas> that's not fixed yet :P
[20:07] <Black_Magic> cool..
[20:07] <Black_Magic> i was getting worried
[20:07] <Black_Magic> and i got something about
[20:07] <oliver_g2> Black_Magic: IIRC I get several "x-content/something" messages as well during normal Hardy upgrades
[20:07] <Black_Magic>  a package being trunkulated
[20:07] <Black_Magic> a pakcage
[20:07] <Black_Magic> libkdecore
[20:07] <Black_Magic> trying to catch it it keeps going fast..
[20:07] <bernier> Hi, I can't get my HDA intel soundcard to work on hardy even if it was working under gutsy. i followed the HdaIntelSoundHowto tutorial but it didn'twork. Can someone help me?
[20:07] <oliver_g2> truncated?
[20:07] <Black_Magic> yea
[20:08] <savvas> bernier: apt-cache policy linux-generic
[20:08] <savvas>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[20:08] <savvas>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[20:08] <oliver_g2> maybe "truncated" means it wasn't downloaded correctly/completely?
[20:08] <savvas> is this your case bernier ?
[20:08] <nemo> savvas: heh. think he hit the wrong one? :)
[20:09] <savvas> nemo: yeah :p
[20:09] <bernier> yes
[20:09] <bernier> it is
[20:09] <Black_Magic> /sbin/idconfig.real file /usr/lin/libkdecore.so.4.2.0.dpkg-new is trunculated
[20:09] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/194214
[20:09] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[20:09] <Black_Magic> thats the entire thing
[20:10] <nemo> DanaG: yeah. pissed me off that they duped the far older bug to that one
[20:10] <Black_Magic> no cid supplement specified for some things..
 that's the case
[20:10] <savvas> bernier: try this: sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[20:10] <Black_Magic> but im pretty happy
[20:10] <DanaG> But I've tracked down something helpful: the version 1.4 (not .1) lacks the issue; the very next packaged version has the issue.
[20:10] <Black_Magic> bernier i have a toshiba labtop i thought the sound wasnt working but it acctually was
[20:11] <savvas> bernier: any output?
[20:11] <Black_Magic> change the controled thing to digital
[20:11] <Black_Magic> instead of PCM
[20:11] <bernier> no output at all
[20:11] <savvas> bernier: ok now do this: alsamixer
[20:11] <bernier> done
[20:11] <savvas> bernier: press the up or down arrow, see if the master volume moves
[20:12] <bernier> it doesn't
[20:12] <savvas> bernier: keep it pressed
[20:12] <bernier> nothing
[20:12] <savvas> nothing?
[20:12] <savvas> hm
[20:13] <savvas> file a bug, with this: lspci -nnv
[20:13] <nemo> DanaG: mm. dunno if you've found anything that helpful.  people have widely varying trigger conditions. one guy swore just disabling a driver did it for him
[20:13] <Black_Magic> dpkg -warning while removing wicd directory /opt/wicd/encryption ect ect...not empty so not removed..?
[20:13] <nemo> DanaG: but, is one more data point at least
[20:13] <savvas> bernier: sorry, *file a bug, with this: sudo lspci -nnv
[20:13] <Black_Magic> and some other things too say that
[20:13] <Black_Magic> will that effect anything..?
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> bernier: did you actually try building alsa 1.0.16 ?
[20:13] <DanaG> I have an Intel wifi card.
[20:13] <h3sp4wn> *alsa-driver
[20:13] <Black_Magic> can i just go back and do aptitude to fix it?
 yes ive done it
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> bernier: and installed the modules ? and rebooted ?
[20:14] <bernier> yes
[20:14] <bernier> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[20:14] <bernier> did exactly that
[20:14] <Black_Magic> bernier you should of made a package :/
[20:14] <bernier> used to work on gutsy
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> Try oss then maybe if you want
[20:14] <oliver_g2> Black_Magic: you can probably fix it manually (aptitude seems a good idea) but I suppose the system will not be as good as a reinstalled system :-)
[20:14] <bernier> yeah i should
[20:14] <h3sp4wn> www.opensound.com
[20:14] <Black_Magic> bernier
[20:14] <Black_Magic> just do a make clean
[20:14] <Black_Magic> and then download checkinstall
[20:15] <darrend> hi guys, any idea why only some of my icon themes work in hardy?
[20:15] <Black_Magic> and do make ... fakeroot checkinstall
[20:15] <Black_Magic> i think fakeroot will keep it from acctually installing it..
[20:15] <h3sp4wn> Why would anyone use fakeroot when its in the repos
[20:15] <Black_Magic> or otherwise you can just do sudo checkinstall
[20:15] <h3sp4wn> and setup properly
[20:15] <h3sp4wn> !info alsa-source
[20:15] <ubotwo> alsa-source: ALSA driver sources. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2767 kB, installed size 2892 kB (Only available for None)
[20:15] <Black_Magic> idk any other way to not install it
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> !info alsa-source hardy
[20:16] <Black_Magic> lol err
[20:16] <Black_Magic> ubotwo is pyshic
[20:16] <savvas> Black_Magic: oliver_g2 is right, try "sudo aptitude -f install" see what happens, then after everything is done: sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard ubuntu-desktop
[20:16] <Black_Magic> it aswerd before you asked..
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> It answered after
[20:16] <h3sp4wn> But won't answer for hardy
[20:17] <h3sp4wn> 1.0.16-0ubuntu4 is the version in hardy
[20:17] <h3sp4wn> and you can build it with module-assistant
[20:17] <bernier> so what should I do?
[20:18] <Black_Magic> isnt the new xorg supposed to support AIGLX better..
[20:18] <Black_Magic> How so?
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> aptitude install module-assistant alsa-source && m-a a-i alsa
[20:19] <h3sp4wn> But you said you already did that
[20:20] <Parsec300> anyone?
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> no one
[20:21] <maccam94> so, i'm hoping the shift + space shortcut (input method selection) won't be the default right?
[20:21] <maccam94> because that's really easy to hit by mistake
[20:21] <maccam94> and it's sometimes used in stuff like games
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> you can remove scim if you want its only a recommend for ubuntu-desktop
[20:22] <DanaG> PulseAudio doesn't work with PulseAudio.
[20:22] <h3sp4wn> There is plenty of stuff used by gnome that other apps want to use
[20:22] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: well yeah i manually removed the shortcuts
[20:22] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: sudo aptitude purge scim~i (that is all I did)
[20:22] <h3sp4wn> it cannot run if it s not on the disk
[20:22] <maccam94> but that behavior definitely shouldn't be the default for 8.04
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> Depends who you are
[20:23] <nemo> I like scim :)
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> If you are someone who needs scim but cannot set it up
[20:23] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: most people will only need to set their keyboard configuration at install time
[20:23] <h3sp4wn> Then how is that different to the rest of the annoying crap we get by default
[20:24] <DanaG> Try typing with shift-space.
[20:24] <DanaG> You'll find that SCIMeats your spaces after any CAPITALletters.
[20:24] <h3sp4wn> I removed scim - I don't need it
[20:25] <DanaG> Ihave disabled that "feature", but I still use scim.
[20:25] <Jordan_U> DanaG, NO it doesn'T foR mE
[20:25] <maccam94> it's extremely obtrusive
[20:25] <maccam94> that shortcut should be changed or removed
[20:25] <DanaG> If you type quickly, you can accidentally trigger it.
[20:25] <h3sp4wn> I do need to get my sun type 6 usb keyboard working right though (UNIX layout)
[20:25] <Jordan_U> DanaG, never mind, misunderstood
[20:25] <DanaG> Sun type6?  Ugh, they have those in the lab here; I hate where backspace is.
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> I don't use backspace anyway
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> no need to - just use ctrl + h
[20:26] <Jordan_U> For some reason network-manager will attempt to connect to my wireless network but won't succeed, but iwconfig will
[20:26] <h3sp4wn> or ctrl + k for delete
[20:26] <DanaG> And the "unlabeled" key is the same as one of the left-column ones.
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> The diamond key is supposed to be meta
[20:27] <DanaG> It is for me; try setting layout to something like "acpi standard".  Also use xev.
[20:27] <DanaG> And where's super?
[20:27] <maccam94> btw what is hyper?
[20:27] <h3sp4wn> Dunno - I am not bothered for that I only use ctrl + meta mainly
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> sometimes alt
[20:28] <maccam94> ctrl alt shift meta...
[20:28] <maccam94> ?
[20:28] <DanaG> Begin.
[20:28] <DanaG> Props.  Stop.  Again.
[20:28] <DanaG> Odd key names, those are.
[20:28] <h3sp4wn> cut copy paste undo those are useful keys
[20:29] <savvas> did anyone see a bittorrent icon on .torrent files?
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> If they are mapped right
[20:29] <savvas> I'm asking in case something is bad here
[20:29] <Black_Magic> anyone want to explain how Upgrading from Hardy -> Gusty or from * Ubuntu distro to * ubuntu distro works?
[20:29] <Black_Magic> i dont get it you install Gusty..
[20:29] <Black_Magic> and ypoou upgrade to hardy..
[20:30] <Black_Magic> dont you still have gusty..
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> !downgrade
[20:30] <maccam94> Black_Magic: no, the packages are replaced
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> You cannot downgrade
[20:30] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: he just got the names mixed up the first time
[20:30] <Black_Magic> maccam94, Oh
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: Its cleaner than a similar Windows upgrade
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> But not as clean as a Debian upgrade in my experience
[20:31] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn: Err.. Windows Vista...
[20:32] <Black_Magic> i mean that upgrade manager thing that makes you use IE just to upgrade packages..
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> e.g - windows 2000 -> windows xp (with loads of apps installed) the end result is a mess
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> Its better than that but not a perfect upgrade often
[20:34] <echo_> hello
[20:35] <savvas> hello world
[20:35] <oliver_g2> tss... usually the echo comes _after_ you say hello...
[20:35] <oliver_g2> ;)
[20:35] <echo_> I was wondering how to get GeForce 6100 Video Card to work in Harly at 1024 x 768 insted of 640 x 480
[20:35] <mooboo1> please, put new firefox beta4 in repository!!!
[20:36] <echo_> Funny
[20:36] <oliver_g2> totally
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> (display "Hello, World!")
[20:37] <echo_> My Friends name is Echo and I have her computer at my house to get rid of windows and install linux
[20:37] <oliver_g2> scheming again?
[20:37] <oliver_g2> echo_: maybe you should better install Gutsy then... Hardy is still in _Alpha_ phase!
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g2: I write my signal processing assignments in scheme and then translate them to the format they want after (Matlab)
[20:38] <echo_> Ya and that one for some reason carps out the audio
[20:39] <echo_> whan I do updates
[20:39] <Black_Magic> How does a Backport work....?Just package a needed program or driver that has only a source?
[20:39] <Black_Magic> or is there something more to it?
[20:39] <oliver_g2> h3sp4wn: well I'm a C++ guy and don't know neither scheme and matlab :-)
[20:39] <Black_Magic> i may want to backport for Gusty from Hardy
[20:39] <echo_> ya hardy worked as well perfect till I did the upgrades
[20:40] <savvas> Black_Magic: then you use http://packages.ubuntu.com :)
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g2: I am avoiding C++ as long as possible
[20:40] <nemo> h3sp4wn: C? :)
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> (I can use it if I want or C)
[20:40] <oliver_g2> echo_: still... Hardy is supposed to be stable in about a month, so either you have to hold back the computer till then, or prepare her for some crashes and instability and lots of updates..,
[20:41] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn: thats gunna bite you and me in the a** eventually
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> Next year I have to use it
[20:41] <oliver_g2> C++ is nice, if you get used to it
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> I don't see why its good for embedded though
[20:42] <oliver_g2> echo_: I would recommend you find out why audio in Gutsy doesn't work for you, and fix that
[20:42] <echo_> Ya I thought it mght save them time if I installed it now so I don't have to redo there computer in a month
[20:42] <maccam94> Black_Magic: do NOT install Hardy if you ever want to revert to gutsy
[20:42] <nemo> echo_:  my audio problem in hardy was with pulseaudio - I had to switch to alsa
[20:42] <Black_Magic> maccam94, im fine with Hardy
[20:43] <Black_Magic> whenever the upgrade finishes
[20:43] <Black_Magic> also i can just make another partion and install it i have
[20:43] <Black_Magic> 43GIGS of extra space laying around
[20:43] <oliver_g2> h3sp4wn: well ok... I have no clue of embedded systems, so can't say whether c++ is good there; bit at work, we use and deliver fast machines with lots of RAM and C++ works good with that
[20:43] <echo_> Ya I did the upgrades now I can't get any higher tehn 640x480 for video
[20:43] <Black_Magic> right now only  thing on y hardrive is parted (ram based install) and Ubuntu
[20:43] <maccam94> "Backports" is a repository where newer versions of packages are available after the release of that version of Ubuntu
[20:44] <echo_> also the KDE4 I sinstalled doesn't do any thing
[20:44] <oliver_g2> echo_: you installed nvidia driver and did all the "official" stuff for getting nvidia cards to work under Ubuntu?
[20:44] <oliver_g2> echo_: afaik KDE4 is also not end-user-stable yet :-/
[20:44] <Black_Magic> maccam94: Well ubuntu is almost forcing you to upgrade to hardy all the majour fixes well most are in hardy... and some packages needed only work in hardy like latest X.org ect..
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> I don't think they are forcing anyone to do anything
[20:45] <echo_> ya maybe I will have to reinstall again and try to see if they fixed it
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> You can run dapper if you want
[20:45] <oliver_g2> Black_Magic: which packages do you mean that only work in hardy?
[20:45] <maccam94> Black_Magic: right, eventually some of that stuff might make it into gutsy or whatever
[20:45] <maccam94> things like Xorg or the kernel won't or gnome won't
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> I know something that was removed from hardy I use that was orphaned in Debian
[20:46] <Black_Magic> oliver_g2, The latest X.org Latest Compiz compiz plugins from git only work on the hardy version of compiz err newer nautilus ect and other things just cant remeber too many right now
[20:46] <oliver_g2> hmm
[20:47] <Black_Magic> and there are some good bug fixes in hardy too better support for AIGLX and things like that
[20:47] <echo_> I will try to reinstall again I guess
[20:47] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: What video card ?
[20:47] <oliver_g2> echo_: have you been in #ubuntu with the audio problem yet?
[20:47] <Black_Magic> ATi Raedon ect ect..
[20:48] <maccam94> oliver_g2: there was a glitch yesterday with the kernel
[20:48] <savvas> and ubuntu husty :P
[20:48] <Black_Magic> my card is sucky but it works better in linux than in Windows
[20:48] <maccam94> oliver_g2: they compiled it without alsa
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> Black_Magic: newer than r200 ?
[20:48] <Black_Magic> ATI Raedon Xpress 200M /
[20:48] <Black_Magic> :/
[20:48] <Black_Magic> everything works really well tho
[20:48] <maccam94> that is a sucky card
[20:48] <Black_Magic> :P!
[20:48] <maccam94> surprisingly tho
[20:48] <Black_Magic> but it works good
[20:48] <oliver_g2> maccam94: yes, noticed that :-) but echo_ apparently had audio problems in Gutsy, and the missing alsa was in Hardy, no?
[20:49] <maccam94> i installed hardy on a dinosaur laptop
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> XiG works better for me than cards much more powerful and new
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> with this
[20:49] <maccam94> oliver_g2: yeah
[20:49] <echo_> No I just looked in forms could not get it to work some one said tehy will fix it so I just figured I would go to Harly so I can get the fix now and harly works for audio fine
[20:49] <oliver_g2> maccam94: out of interest, how old was that laptop?
[20:49] <maccam94> the laptop had a radeon 7500
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[20:49] <Black_Magic> maccam94: in windows it lagged like hell when i installed some cool eyecandy
[20:49] <maccam94> i want to say 7 years
[20:49] <oliver_g2> hmm
[20:49] <h3sp4wn> maccam94: as an experiment try the XiG demo on that card
[20:49] <maccam94> it barely had 3D acceleration in gutsy
[20:50] <maccam94> it runs compiz out of the box, smoothly even
[20:50] <Black_Magic> maccam94: so it was either upgrade to vista and buy a new labtop or upgrade to linux and keep my labtop and pwn  vista vista gets on my nerve..
[20:50] <oliver_g2> I have a Dell Inspiron 3500 (400MHz P2, 256 MB, no 3d accelaration) - would Hardy + Gnome desktop work there :-D
[20:50] <maccam94> Black_Magic: i've got a better laptop now
[20:50] <echo_> Vista Home Basic sucks Premium is okay
[20:50] <maccam94> lol
[20:50] <maccam94> it was just a test
[20:50] <Black_Magic> maccam94: Im gunna get a MacBook Pro and have it customized
[20:50] <maccam94> it was temporarily my main laptop for the summer
[20:50] <mooboo1> did the update today remove shadows from compiz?
[20:51] <mooboo1> i dont have any shadows, with or without compiz
[20:51] <maccam94> i've got a dellbuntu inspiron 1420n
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> For me - XiG works as well as anything I have used (with 16MB video ram) and XFree86
[20:51] <maccam94> i want to get an M1330n tho
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> all in /usr/X11R6
[20:51] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: what's XiG?
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> Commercial X server
[20:51] <Black_Magic> h3sp4wn: OMG my sucky card has more video ram :P! i have 64 :/...
[20:51] <oliver_g2> echo_: did you find a bug report for that audio problem? I would think it should be fixed in Gutsy as well...
[20:51] <Black_Magic> MB
[20:51] <echo_> Home Basic Crashes a lot and if it is OEM MS wil not help
[20:52] <maccam94> h3sp4wn: link?
[20:52] <ethana2> ...Is FF3b4 in repos.... /now/?