[02:37] <Sarvatt> new macbook air's are horribly broken under ubuntu, color me surprised :)
[02:38] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/macbookair/
[03:17] <bjsnider> if the underlying hardware is al intel i don't see why it would be borked
[12:49] <afiestas> RAOF: ping


[00:09] <brianc_> test
[00:16] <bazhang> !test | brianc_
[00:17] <brianc_> thanks
[13:13] <fsociety[00]dat> hi #xubuntu :)
[13:13] <knome> hello.
[13:13] <fsociety[00]dat> I am a Xubuntu GNU/Linux 14.04.3 user.
[13:14] <fsociety[00]dat> Is it possible to upgrade system without systemd?
[13:15] <knome> ultimately, you will inevidently end up using systemd anyway with (x)ubuntu
[13:17] <fsociety[00]dat> ok, thanks knome
[19:44] <xubuntu58w> any reason? because when I installed it I have the folder "/" with 15GB, "/home" with 20GB
[19:45] <xubuntu58w> I dont have any free space when I update Xubuntu with the software updater..
[19:46] <xubuntu58w> any reason? because when I installed it I have the folder "/" with 15GB, "/home" with 20GB
[19:46] <xubuntu58w> and I didnt download a lot of softwares since I installed xubuntu
[19:46] <knome> xubuntu58w, what does "df -h" without quotes in terminal say?
[19:47] <knome> xubuntu58w, and please use pastebin
[19:47] <knome> !pastebin | xubuntu58w
[19:47] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: encrypted in some way?
[19:49] <knome> xubuntu58w, or alternatively, "df -h | pastebinit" (without the quotes) - and of course paste the paste url to us
[19:49] <xubuntu58w> no encryption.. I'm a beginner in linux..
[19:50] <flocculant> then df -h|pastebinit
[19:52] <xubuntu58w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865705/
[19:52] <xubuntu58w> sorry for the delay
[19:53] <knome> xubuntu58w, doesn't look like you have a separate /home
[19:53] <flocculant> ok - so you have used 94% of your install drive
[19:54] <xubuntu58w> knome... I have... believe me...
[19:54] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: you think you have - the data says otherwise :)
[19:54] <xubuntu58w> flocculant.. you mean 94% of my entire hard drive or 94% of xubuntu install??
[19:55] <flocculant> 94% of the install
[19:55] <flocculant> first line of that paste
[19:55] <xubuntu58w> becase I have 2 partitions on my hard drive.. 1 for windows and the other for linux
[19:55] <xubuntu58w> flocculant... ok
[19:55] <flocculant> I'd guess data in /home somewhere - media files perhaps
[19:56] <xubuntu58w> i didnt believe xubuntu takes so much space...
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu58w, it doesn't, the partition also has your personal files
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu58w, since you don't have a line that says a filesystem is mounted at /home, you are not using a separate /home partition
[19:57] <knome> xubuntu58w, that means the files in /home are stored in the partition that is mounted at /
[19:57] <xubuntu58w> ok
[19:57] <knome> xubuntu58w, which is the first line of the output (after the column headers)
[19:58] <xubuntu58w> so.... do you know any books or internet site to do a clean install with a / and /home folder?
[19:58] <xubuntu58w> which explains how to do it?
[19:58] <knome> xubuntu58w, http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[19:59] <xubuntu58w> so.. what is your advice? I delete everything and install again? or....  ?
[19:59] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: if you've only got 20Gb to play with then I'd probably not bother
[19:59] <xubuntu58w> i have more... but I installed ubuntu alongside to try it..
[20:00] <flocculant> aah ok - was just mentioning that :)
[20:01] <xubuntu58w> knome... that's exactly the doc. I used to install xubuntu...
[20:01] <xubuntu58w> except for /boot /tmp and /var I didnt do..
[20:02] <knome> xubuntu58w, please run "cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit"
[20:02] <xubuntu58w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865894/
[20:03] <knome> xubuntu58w, everything really looks like you haven't created a /home partition
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I did.. but... if you say so...  you must be right
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I will delete everything and will do a clean install the next time..
[20:04] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: perhaps you did in this ubuntu install?
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> and maybe it will work this time..
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I used gparted first to create the partitions...
[20:05] <knome> xubuntu58w, you must remember to mount them at installation time
[20:05] <xubuntu58w> what I didnt do...
[20:06] <flocculant> oh
[20:06] <xubuntu58w> i think
[20:06] <flocculant> so you've an empty partition somewhere?
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> flocculant.. you know what?  i think it is better if I start again
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> with a clean install
[20:07] <flocculant> :)
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> and if I need help i know where to ask...
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> :)
[20:07] <knome> good luck
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> thanks a lot for your time guys...
[20:07] <flocculant> welcome
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> Hello!?
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I just want to ask something very quickly.
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I have a problem with the "software sources" app or that.
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I can't find it anymore
[21:24] <function9x> Software & Updates???
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> I can't access it from software and Updates
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> It's greyed
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> And it isn't on the main menu either
[21:26] <function9x> which xubuntu version are you using?
[21:26] <Xubuntuer> I was about to say it
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> But I don't know where to look at it
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> It's my mother's PC
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> And she installed it, but I wanted to check out something with the repositories that where kinda crazy, and I can't find that app
[21:28] <function9x> cat /etc/lsb-release
[21:28] <knome> Xubuntuer, "lsb_release -a" in a terminal
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> ah, fine, 15.04
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> haha lol
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> she installed the "Not for average user" one
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> I hope that you guys understand that this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SoftwareSources-UbuntuSoftware.png
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> Is what i can't find
[21:29] <knome> it's fine, as long as you update every 6 months
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> Ah ok, for sure
[21:29] <knome> tbe, upgrade; you should update more often..
[21:29] <knome> Xubuntuer, settings manager -> software & updates
[21:30] <function9x> brb
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> Let me see if i can make an screen capture
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> If I find out how :P
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> Impr Pant works just like windorss?
[21:30] <knome> Xubuntuer, try pressing print screen
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> Aaah, amazing feature :P
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> 1 sec, uploading
[21:31] <user2eee> good day all,any suggestions on how to remove a write protected file from apport? file is deleted and only has read rights,none of attempted commands found on search working,thanks
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> Please note that the computer is in spanish, but you'll see that I don't have that app
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> Here:
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> http://imgur.com/Lh9Dz0K
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> As you can see, I have software updates
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> And... other stuff, but none of software & updates
[21:33] <Xubuntuer> Isn't there any magic command like "Software-and-updates" but for "Software origins"? @knome
[21:34] <knome> Xubuntuer, what happens if you try to run "software-properties-gtk" in the terminal?
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> Let me see
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> Isn't installed, that's odd, and at the same time, that's all i needed I think
[21:34] <knome> user2eee, i don't understand the question; what does "remove ... from apport" mean? what does apport have to do with deleting files?
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> haha
[21:35] <knome> well, it should be installed, but if it isn't, install it
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> Ok!
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> I wonder why it isn't :/
[21:35] <knome> hope that fixes your issue
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> Yeah, pretty much sure it will
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> I didn't know the name of the "program" itself
[21:35] <knome> impossible to know, but if everything is working... you know the saying: "don't fix it if it isn't broken"
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> Hahaha
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> totally
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> let see, the moment of truth
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> YAY!
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> http://i.imgur.com/N1KiU7w.png
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> Thanks knome
[21:37] <knome> np, have fun
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> You're awesome haha, thanks again :D
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> Bye guys
[21:37] <user2eee> knome it possibly has nothing to do with it, will rephrase the question,i have cleaned the boot folder,1 of the files is showing when i do rm /var/crash/* , i am trying to find a way to delete it, when i choose Y ,i see operation can not be performed
[21:38] <user2eee> user@user:~$ rm /var/crash/*
[21:38] <user2eee> rm: remove write-protected regular file ‘/var/crash/linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic.0.crash’? Y
[21:38] <user2eee> rm: cannot remove ‘/var/crash/linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic.0.crash’: Operation not permitted
[21:38] <user2eee> user@user:~$
[21:38] <knome> user2eee, you can't remove the file because you don't use sudo
[21:39] <user2eee> what command do i need to become sudo
[21:39] <knome> !rootsudo | user2eee
[21:39] <knome> user2eee, if your user is in the sudoers file (it is if you are the only user), you can run "sudo command here"
[21:40] <knome> user2eee, fwiw, i don't know why you need to remove those files though.
[21:40] <user2eee> just to keep my machine clean i guess? no specific reason,will read the ubottu links
[21:41] <knome> user2eee, if you don't know why you are doing something, even if you think it's "keeping your system clean", you might just mess up things more, so don't do things you don't understand - especially if it involves running commands with sudo?
[21:41] <knome> -?
[21:42] <user2eee> i understand knome,just learning as i go but ok,will just let this one be there i guess
[21:44] <user2eee> thanks knome and ubottu,i did do sudo -i and was able to remove it. thanks,have a nice day
[22:10] <esph> My sister has frequent problems on her laptop after updates with 14.04 (she uses the "Software Updater" GUI to update).
[22:12] <esph> For instance, after the most recent update, the main menu icon is broken, the nm-applet can't be opened by clicking, and the minimize, maximize, and close icons are invisible on every window (and there are probably other things wrong that haven't been noticed)
[22:13] <esph> I tried update and upgrade with apt-get to see if that would fix anything, but it says that everything is up-to-date.
[22:15] <esph> Obviously some things are broken on the system, but how can I get the system to recognize that, or manually find and fix the things that are wrong?
[22:19] <mrkramps> esph, have you tested xfce with another/new user?
[22:19] <brianc_> if it's only visual things such as buttons, menus and apples it sounds like a xfce issue
[22:26] <function9x> esph: probably best to report the bugs, so that the developers can mark what is broken and needs to be fixed
[22:26] <knome> esph, have you ran "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" too?
[22:27] <knome> esph, also, did you try a new user as suggested by mrkramps?
[22:40] <esph> knome: I'll try a new user when I get a chance (sister is typing up stuff for school right now so I don't want to make her log out)
[22:41] <esph> knome: the only thing apt-get upgrade was holding back are kernel-related packages, so I don't think that would fix it. Does dist-upgrade do some other magic I don't know about?
[22:42] <knome> esph, in the case there was a reason for a partial upgrade, it could do that; and it updates the kernels too
[22:45] <esph> knome: "in the case there was a reason for a partial upgrade, it could do that" I don't know what you mean here or exactly what you're referring to, particularly "it could do that"? Sorry, could you elaborate?
[22:45] <esph> s/?/.
[22:46] <knome> sometimes there are problems with packages (namely, conflicts in versions) that can't be resolved with a regular update; in that case, a "partial upgrade" must be done
[22:46] <knome> so if that would be the case, it could mess up something in the GUI too, and doing the partial upgrade could resolve that
[22:48] <esph> knome: and apt-get upgrade wouldn't warn me about that (for future reference)? Also, does the "update" button in the Software Updater correspond to upgrade, dist-upgrade, or neither?
[22:49] <knome> esph, apt-get always tells what it is about to do and asks for your confirmation
[22:49] <knome> esph, iirc, the software updater only does the "update" action, but it's time since i've last used it myself
[22:50] <knome> sorry, upgrade


[10:41] <moha> Hi, In the Netplan configuration YML file, What does 'ens' stand for? Is it an abbreviation for "EtherNet Slot"?
[10:57] <ravage> moha:
[10:57] <ravage> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[10:57] <ravage> section "What precisely has changed in v197"
[10:58] <ogra> it is the name the kernel assigned to your interface (the naming sheme is descibed in ravage's link)
[10:58] <ogra> you can check kernel names for any existing intrfaces with: cat /proc/net/dev
[11:01] <moha> Reading that link, Thanks; Another related question: In the Netplan config file, why network cards are numbered in this order: 160, 192, 224, 256, 161 (for 5 interfaces attached to the server)?
[11:05] <ogra> can you elaborate ? numbered how ? do you mean they are showing up as ens160 etc ?
[11:31] <moha> ogra:  yup, ens160 for the 1st interface card, ens192 for the 2nd one, ..., ens 161 for the 5th interface, etc
[11:32] <ogra> moha, well, thats up to the kernel, not sure on what base it assigns these numbers, but they should at least be persistent
[16:10] <moha> I'm deploying OpenStack-ansible. Containers are created successfully, but failed to start: fatal: [infra2_manila_container-8f71a62f -> infra2(<IP_ADDRESS>)]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "error": "Failed to start container [ infra2_manila_container-8f71a62f ]", "lxc_container"...
[16:12] <moha> (Note: The range <IP_ADDRESS>/24 does not have internet! but the server Infra1 has internet on the other interface.)
[16:12] <moha> The error is repeating for other modules as in glance, ceph_mon, etc
[19:53] <Teridon> I'm kinda new to autoinstall.   I'd appreciate some advice re: workarounds for this bug :  https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1999164   .  Should I just use late-commands to write the extra sshd_config lines?
[19:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-server- Launchpad bug 1999164 in cloud-init "when multiple SSH host key certificates are defined, only one HostCertificate is referenced in sshd_config" [High, Confirmed]
[20:06] <blackboxsw> worry I think we re-fielded this question in #cloud-init channel ^
[20:06] <blackboxsw> *sorry
[20:34] <blackboxsw> sentiment of the above solution is either use autoinstall:user-data:runcmd:  directives or autoinstall.user-data.write_files: `defer = true` from https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#write-files to supplement /etc/sshd_config.d/ files with multiple HostCertificate declarations.


[04:57] <optimum> i'm finished dealing with you people
[04:57] <svaksha> optimum: you mean you are tired of trolling?
[04:58] <hypatia> so are we, imagine that :p
[10:33] <AlanBell> Of the 623 Ubuntu Members at the end of this month 4.82% are women
[10:39] <AlanBell> I updated the long term trend too http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/uwgraph.png
[14:54] <Pendulum> czajkowski: Happy Birthday!
[16:25] <nigelb> ooh
[16:25] <nigelb> HAPPY BIRTHDAY czajkowski !
[22:52] <valorie> czajkowski: happy birthday! I hope you are off celebrating
[22:52] <valorie> :-)
[22:52] <hypatia> so many birthdays right now :)
[22:52] <valorie> or sleeping off the celebration
[22:53] <valorie> cold snap in Feb. maybe
[22:53] <valorie> :-)


[00:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like it's not going to happen.  (RE: VCVRack)
[01:50] <OvenWerks> Like I said, it would take a fork that made the original irrelevant
[01:57] <sarnold> it certainly looks like there's enthusiasm in the linux community for such a thing
[01:58] <sarnold> but if there's specialized coding that would suffer for being in a fork, that'd probably be enough to keep it from going anywhere
[01:58] <sarnold> if it's more of a maintenance modeproject, well, maybe it wouldn't matter as much
[02:01] <OvenWerks> sarnold: It would take someone with DSP knowledge, but really, the GUI is pretty much what makes it "secial"
[02:01] <OvenWerks> s/secial/special/
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like falktx has already started to fork it.
[20:25] <teward> depends where it is :P
[20:25] <teward> oops wrong window
[20:25]  * teward kicks the Internet
[20:26] <teward> disregard me sorry


[19:52] <lousygarua> Can I have some mentoring about proper launchpad bug managing? I have encountered a bug that affects 12.04 LTS and also 13.04 as reported and it seems no one is going to fix it. It seems that upstream was not informed at well. The bug: #988290
[19:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 988290 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Resolution change with KVM switch on Precise" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988290
[19:58]  * penguin42 reads
[20:02] <penguin42> right, so the bug seems to be pretty much agreeing that it's gnome-screensaver and not that X server, it's a regression from the previous release and the other thing is a dupe
[20:06] <penguin42> lousygarua: I've changed it to gnome-screensaver which seemed to be the way the discussion was mostly going
[20:13] <lousygarua> penguin42, when do one needs to mark "affects distribution"?
[20:13] <lousygarua> and the changing of the package is the "Be bold" part of bug triaging?
[20:15] <penguin42> well tbh I would have kept it as X server except for everyone saying it doesn't happen if they move away from gnome-screensaver
[20:20] <penguin42> lousygarua: ickle seems to be saying it's the fault of the KVM and you can fix it by fiddling with a /sys entry; but given that this is a regression and only happens on some screensavers/desktops I'm not sure what the right thing to do is; but I don't think that's a useful response for the user
[20:22] <lousygarua> penguin42, doesn't the gnome project need to be informed as well?
[20:23] <penguin42> lousygarua: Yeh it might be best to open an upstream bug with gnome and see what they say (and see if they bounce it back as being not them!)
[20:24] <lousygarua> penguin42, thanks for the help
[20:25] <penguin42> you going to open the gnome one?
[20:50] <lousygarua> penguin42, no, i should stop ubuntuing and focus on work for now :)
[20:51] <lousygarua> and also the bug does not affect me, i was helping a user on my loco
[20:51] <penguin42> ok, I'll do it
[21:03] <penguin42> added, I'll disappear while waiting for Gnome to flame me


[01:11] <truepurple> hi
[03:40] <fuzzeoly> hello?
[05:11] <ApOgEE> hi all
[07:15] <aztek> hey, any body knows how to create offline repo?
[07:18] <tenach> aztek: for which system?
[07:19] <aztek> i copy revo prom dvd to my box...
[07:28] <aztek> i ccopy repo from DVD to my box and i wanna make off line repo...
[07:31] <r4y> Hello, I don't want to make a data CD. I have Ubuntu 10.10 and Windows XP. I typically use Windows Media Player to write CDs and Nero to write DVD. I am wondering is there a way to fit more time then 80 minutes on a CD with data that can fit with in 700 MB using either Ubuntu or Windows XP?
[07:32] <r4y> I meant as audio, sorry.
[10:50] <r4y> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1096938 It would take a special CD player. I am not sure if that's the only way, but I looked at a few links I Googled. Bye
[15:46] <kristian-aalborg> bleacbit, Y U take forever?!
[15:48] <stlsaint> i love bleachbit :D
[15:49] <kristian-aalborg> me too
[15:49] <kristian-aalborg> but should it take half an hour?
[15:49] <kristian-aalborg> on a regular, even smallish desktop system?
[15:54] <aztek> any body know how make local repo in hdd?
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> aztek, how do you mean?
[16:26] <kristian-aalborg> kmandla dabbled in it some years ago
[16:28] <aztek> i have just copied ubuntu natty repo from my friend, i don't know how to use it...
[16:31] <kristian-aalborg> the entire repo?
[16:31] <aztek> yup...
[16:32] <aztek> there are folders dists and pool...
[16:37] <kristian-aalborg> it's much easier to just use the internet
[16:37] <kristian-aalborg> also, fresher files
[16:38] <kristian-aalborg> and sorry, no I don't know
[16:40] <aztek> i just have limited connection, so i wanna use it..
[17:01] <Error404NotFoun1> holstein:
[17:02] <holstein> Error404NotFoun1: hey... whats up?
[17:02] <Error404NotFoun1> nothing much, having problems...
[17:02] <Error404NotFoun1> when i boot ubuntu my mouse dont work for several minutes after boot
[17:03] <Error404NotFoun1> logitech performance mx
[17:03] <holstein> and then it works?
[17:03] <holstein> without issue?
[17:04] <Error404NotFoun1> yep
[17:04] <Error404NotFoun1> does it on 2 diff computers
[17:04] <Error404NotFoun1> 3 different installs of ubuntu
[17:04] <holstein> might just take that long for something to load i suppose
[17:04] <holstein> bluetooth?
[17:05] <Error404NotFoun1> no bt
[17:05] <holstein> yeah.. who knows
[17:05] <holstein> if it were me, id just wait
[17:05] <holstein> if its just a few minutes
[17:05] <holstein> devices like that can literally *never* work, or have decent support
[17:06] <holstein> you could probably find a more development minded person, and ask about what gets loaded when and why and trouble shoot getting it to load faster
[17:07] <kristian-aalborg> Error404NotFoun1, a regular wired mouse?
[17:08] <holstein> http://reviews.logitech.com/7061/5845/logitech-performance-mouse-mx-reviews/reviews.htm
[17:12] <hudo> hi, I got lucid and an external usb dvd-drive
[17:13] <hudo> how can I identify which device it is to blank a dvdrw medium with cdrecord /dev/mycdrom blank=fast
[17:13] <hudo> sorry , cdrecord dev=/dev/mycdrom blank=fast
[17:14] <holstein> hudo: i usually just try auto-complete and guessing
[17:14] <holstein> i suppose you could right click on the icon on the desktop and gather some info, or maybe navigate there in nautilus or cd around and ls
[17:25] <coalwater> i think my ufw is blocking empathy's file transfers, any idea what port/app i should allow ?
[17:44] <coalwater> ok ill have to figure that later lol
[18:08] <guitar> hello all
[18:09] <IdleOne> guitar: welcome. Feel free to ask questions in here and be patient :)
[18:10] <guitar> I am...i see you everywhere
[18:10] <guitar> ha
[18:10] <guitar> okay...i have a pc at work with internet, but the one at home isn't online
[18:11] <guitar> i want to download programs from this pc and transfer to the one at home
[18:11] <guitar> there doesn't seem to be a "save file" option
[18:12] <guitar> KNo201 has been investigating the issue, but my PC doesn't have a Disc burner, but it does have a flash
[18:12] <guitar> sorry...usb port so i can use my flash drive
[18:15] <holstein> guitar: you have 2 ubuntu boxes?
[18:16] <holstein> one without internet?
[18:16] <guitar> right
[18:16] <holstein> depending on what you want to install, that could be challenging
[18:16] <holstein> totally do-able though
[18:16] <guitar> so i'm told
[18:16] <holstein> let me give you the process in broad strokes
[18:16] <holstein> say you want something like vlc... you would look for something like vlc.deb
[18:17] <holstein> you also need *all* the dependancies
[18:17] <holstein> thats the tricky part depending on how many dependanies
[18:17] <guitar> there are programmers who work on ubuntu...right
[18:17] <holstein> you might consider downloading whatever the ubuntu equvialent is to the 6 DVD's (or whatever) debian has
[18:18] <holstein> you can then point synaptic to use those discs for software instead of the online repositories
[18:18] <holstein> AFAIK, you can also make a disc like that for your 'no internet' box
[18:19] <guitar> holstein...you lost me at vlc :)
[18:19] <holstein> guitar: if it were me... i would go to a freinds house with internet, plug it in, and do what needs to be done
[18:19] <guitar> you're right of course
[18:19] <holstein> guitar: you'll need to have an alternate source
[18:19] <holstein> that could be a DVD
[18:20] <guitar> my pc here doesn't even have a burner
[18:20] <holstein> http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ for example
[18:20] <holstein> guitar: you'll need to do something... burn a CD, make a USB volume... plug it in
[18:20] <guitar> i was reading about ubuntu last night
[18:20] <holstein> this is linux... everything is open and freely available, so the answer is "yes"
[18:21] <holstein> you just need to choose how you want to proceed
[18:21] <guitar> i would like to drop this idea in the suggestion box
[18:22] <holstein> guitar: ??
[18:22] <holstein> what idea?
[18:22] <holstein> apt-on-cd is one way
[18:22] <guitar> it's a caviot...not much needed in the wired world, but
[18:22] <holstein> the other way is to download what you want on to DVD
[18:22] <guitar> i also type slow
[18:22] <guitar> sorry
[18:22] <holstein> theres already several ways to do it
[18:23] <holstein> the issue is... i havent needed to do it that way
[18:23] <guitar> ok
[18:23] <holstein> i used a CD as a repo once
[18:23] <guitar> can i use a flash drive?
[18:23] <guitar> apt on flash
[18:23] <holstein> not a lot of us on the internet are going to have an excuse other than morbid curiosity to have tried it
[18:23] <holstein> since we are online
[18:23] <guitar> right...the digital divide
[18:24] <guitar> i live on the other side of the tracks..so to speak
[18:24] <guitar> metaphorically of course
[18:24] <holstein> guitar: i can most assuradly say yes, you can
[18:24] <holstein> you can take a CD/DVD image if needed, and put that on the USB drive
[18:24] <guitar> how
[18:25] <holstein> you just use an image file instead of an actual piece of plastic
[18:25] <guitar> talk me through it please
[18:26] <holstein> i would check out
[18:26] <holstein> http://www.planetoss.com/detail.php?id=13
[18:27] <holstein> guitar: just read that by the way.. dont go copying and pasting
[18:27] <holstein> thats an old post... some of it would need to be modernized
[18:27] <guitar> ok...and i appreciate your time
[18:27] <holstein> this is more current
[18:27] <holstein> http://basicubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/02/install-on-ubuntu-without-internet.html
[18:28] <guitar> you know what I like about this chat room?
[18:28] <guitar> it saves all the info
[18:28] <holstein> yeah.. officially logged :)
[18:28] <guitar> how long does it stay
[18:28] <holstein> good question... i think the goal is always
[18:29] <guitar> perfect...i was getting so much info from so many people and it sorta..you know
[18:30] <holstein> guitar: well, like is said, most of us havent had that need, so its theoretical to me
[18:30] <holstein> i know its do-able though... ive talked to folks who have done it
[18:31] <holstein> no issues as long as you dont need newer software than what is on the image you have
[18:31] <holstein> and, you can always burn or make a new archive with newer pacakges
[18:31] <guitar> ok...i'll check it out
[18:31] <guitar> thanks holstein
[18:32] <holstein> guitar: sure... good luck, let us know how it goes
[18:32] <DodgyDave> can anyone help with a KINO issue ?
[18:35] <holstein> DodgyDave: whats the issue?... you might need to track down a kino channel
[18:40] <DodgyDave> when I start Kino  and try to capture video, all I get is a black screen. The red record button isn't lit so I cant capture any video
[18:41] <holstein> i would say #ubuntustudio, but i would skip that channel and go right to the ubuntustudio mailing list
[18:41] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users its actually quite active, and there are a few video folks
[18:42] <holstein> maybe #mythbuntu?
[18:42] <holstein> DodgyDave: other than the obvious stuff like double checking the connections and configs, not sure whatelse
[18:43] <DodgyDave> I seem to remeber seeing something about having to put a command in the terminal to make it work
[18:44] <holstein> relating to your specific hardware?
[18:54] <DodgyDave> no Kino in general
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> anyone streaming TV?
[19:47] <kristian-aalborg> I'm thinking there might be some small app... looking for legal stuff, of course
[20:15] <E3D3> Hi, I need to use LAMP server for offline php-development.
[20:15] <E3D3> I know absolute nothing from ip, dhcp,server, ports etc.
[20:15] <E3D3> Does somebody knows a crashcourse for noobs ?
[20:16] <zkriesse> well are you looking to have a localhost etc?
[20:16] <zkriesse> With a database etc?
[20:17] <E3D3> I just want to offline experimenting with PHP, all extraas scare me but whats necessary I will do.
[20:17] <zkriesse> Well if you wanna play with PHP just play with it lol
[20:17] <zkriesse> You shouldn't need all kinds of junk to practice coding
[20:18] <E3D3> How can I run my code. I have now a /var/www but (copied php-examples) still don't work.
[20:18] <zkriesse> Ok what all have you done?
[20:18] <zkriesse> Let's start with that
[20:19] <E3D3> Installed LAMP, Apache, PHP5 & requirements.
[20:19] <zkriesse> Hmmm ok
[20:19] <E3D3> All tuts expect I know something about internet connections
[20:20] <E3D3> I just want to program & leave connections aside
[20:20] <zkriesse> Indeed
[20:20] <zkriesse> Which is localhost programming
[20:21] <zkriesse> Program, display it on your machine in a web browser to see what it looks like etc
[20:21] <E3D3> You mean, the examples I tried ?
[20:21] <zkriesse> No i'm talking about actual coding
[20:21] <zkriesse> You want to try coding well how are you going to view it when you have say a webpage coded
[20:22] <zkriesse> You'll need to view it in a web browser on your machine ;)
[20:22] <E3D3> That exactly my point
[20:23] <E3D3> I did but only html-part works, no php-signs
[20:23] <zkriesse> What's your code?
[20:23] <zkriesse> That you're trying to view
[20:24] <E3D3> Something like this (on html-file) : <?php echo"Hi"; ?>
[20:25] <E3D3> & <?php include("menu.php"); ?> with a menu in menu.php
[20:25] <zkriesse> pastebin it please
[20:26] <E3D3> Okay, one moment please
[20:26] <zkriesse> :)
[20:39] <E3D3> http://jsfiddle.net/zWpka/ [I used the javaScript-block for the menu.php]
[20:44] <E3D3> zkriesse: Had to restart 2 times so give the link again : http://jsfiddle.net/zWpka/
[20:45] <zkriesse> E3D3: what are you using to edit your code?
[20:45] <E3D3> Now Kate text-editor
[20:46] <E3D3> Im in Linux Mint, thought every editor is okay
[20:46] <E3D3> Like to use gEdit to
[20:48] <E3D3> I placed the .html & .php in /var/www/ & another instance of my browser popped up ? Had to kill its process
[20:48] <zkriesse> hmm
[20:49] <zkriesse> Argh
[20:49] <zkriesse> I'm soooo sorry but i gotta run!
[20:49] <E3D3> Thanks, & run
[20:49] <zkriesse> Just wait and you should get helped though :)
[20:50] <E3D3>  :'(
[21:13] <kristian-aalborg> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229187/30_days_with_ubuntu_linux_day_1.html
[21:13] <kristian-aalborg> this is an interesting read
[21:15] <froq> kristian-aalborg, I am going to read it! :)
[22:08] <E3D3> Hi, Im in SuperOS & my Update Manager has 450 update. Only want updating one. How can I unceck the other 449 (not manually) ?
[22:09] <holstein> E3D3: i would just go to synaptic, and search for the package you want to update, and mark it to be updated... hit apply
[22:10] <E3D3> It cant, there's no update option there ?
[22:11] <E3D3> I only can remove it with synaptic.
[22:11] <holstein> you 'right-click' on the package
[22:11] <holstein> theres a 'mark for upgrade' option
[22:11] <E3D3> Did
[22:11] <E3D3> No
[22:12] <holstein> you'll have to take a screen shot of that then
[22:12] <holstein> maybe you have a rev'd verion of synaptic that im unaware of
[22:12] <E3D3> Where can I paste that screenshot ?
[22:13] <holstein> i usually use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[22:15] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722130
[22:15] <holstein> this thread says that sudo apt-get install package name will check to see if the latest version is installed, and offer to upgrade
[22:15] <E3D3> Cant make a screenshot with right-mouse window, used the PrtSc-key, other ways to try ?
[22:16] <E3D3> I try the terminal command
[22:16] <holstein> E3D3: well, thats not the issue
[22:16] <holstein> what are you trying to upgrade?
[22:16] <E3D3> opera browser
[22:17] <holstein> how about just unchecking all
[22:17] <holstein> and just go and check opera
[22:17] <E3D3> Than I lose my configuration/addons etc ??
[22:18] <holstein> im not following...
[22:18] <E3D3> My update manager has >450 update I dont want & no uncheck all, fun ;-)
[22:18] <E3D3> Guess you talk about the update manager
[22:18] <holstein> i think you can right click there too and select none?
[22:18] <holstein> theres an option... pretty sure
[22:18] <holstein> im not using 11.04 though
[22:19] <E3D3> Must be, I'll try r-click there.
[22:20] <holstein> powers out
[22:20] <holstein> gotta shut down
[22:20] <holstein> bbl
[22:20] <E3D3> R-click there did it, if I knew that before. Not use to that. Feel so stupid (& tirred)
[22:31] <E3D3> Can someone tell this noob an easy way to learn to program PHP offline ?
[22:33] <holstein> E3D3: hey... i didnt lose power :)
[22:34] <holstein> i like these guys http://www.w3schools.com/php/default.asp
[22:34] <holstein> you can always archive it locally i supose
[22:36] <E3D3> Hi holstein, you helped me nice but I as far as when I started this morning.
[22:37] <holstein> hey... it could be worse... you could have broken something and be worse off ;P
[22:37] <E3D3> Right, but I broken my little brain.
[22:38] <E3D3> PHP coding seems so easy that I wish how to start.
[22:38] <E3D3> I know JavaScript, looks familiar
[22:39] <E3D3> I already read most of the w3schools php-part. It dont talk how to build an offline envirenment for it.
[22:40] <holstein> OH... any LAMP would probably do
[22:40] <E3D3> holstein: Do you think that I'm too stupid or nagging.
[22:40] <holstein> check out http://www.turnkeylinux.org/lampstack
[22:41] <holstein> you could run that in virtualbox
[22:41] <E3D3> I have LAMP installed but know nothing about servers, ip etc
[22:41] <holstein> E3D3: i dont think that...
[22:41] <E3D3> Lost in all those terms that has nothing to do with PHP
[22:41] <holstein> E3D3: i say, just take it slow... start with "whats my ip"
[22:41] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run
[22:42] <holstein> ifconfig
[22:42] <holstein> that'll give you the IP of the box you are on
[22:42] <holstein> your not trying to serve a box out to the internet, so this'll be easier 'in theory'
[22:43] <E3D3> This is a different OS then I used 1 hour ago so have to find my VirtualBox first
[22:43] <holstein> i run test servers like that in virtualbox in bridged networking mode, and the guests get an IP from the local router
[22:45] <E3D3> hmm I first have to install VirtualMachine in this OS. Already get lost in bridged ... & local router, Im never thought about that things
[22:45] <holstein> E3D3: those turnkey appliances i linked actually run well live or installed
[22:46] <holstein> the normal setup in virtualbox is to share your network
[22:46] <holstein> SO the guest doesnt get its own IP
[22:47] <E3D3> Whow man, this doesn't say anything to me, Im really an connection noob
[22:47] <holstein> thats usually just fine, BUT, if you want to have a test server available, you use 'bridged adapter'
[22:47] <holstein> E3D3: google around, or ask me questions... whatever it takes
[22:47] <holstein> you'll need to absorb it somehow
[22:47] <holstein> IF you want a test server in Vbox to be available on your network
[22:47] <holstein> thats how you do it
[22:48] <holstein> i did a presenation the other day at my LUG on turnkey linux and other servers and thats what i did
[22:51] <E3D3> Maybe I should have asked for a internet beginners study instead of offline php programming ?
[22:51] <holstein> E3D3: this might be a nice resource for you
[22:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetAndNetworking
[22:52]  * holstein needs to try and catch a nap... BBL
[22:54] <E3D3> Thanks man, iguess thats better than asking endlessly. But its huge info, do I need all that seriously ?
[22:55] <E3D3> May I tell you something private, not sure how to do that. /msg name message ?
[22:55] <tenach> E3D3: correct.
[22:56] <E3D3> tenach: Thanks
[22:56] <tenach> No problem. :)
[23:09] <kristian-aalborg> alright, I just set up a box for my sis
[23:09] <kristian-aalborg> I got Ooo, media players etc etc
[23:10] <kristian-aalborg> some Tux games for the kids
[23:42] <kristian-aalborg> halp halp halp
[23:42] <kristian-aalborg> I mailed someone a bunch of rar files, an archive in multiple parts
[23:43] <kristian-aalborg> now this person has to unpack them.... what software should I suggest, I guess he is on XP or Vista or 7
[23:43] <kristian-aalborg> my heart says 7zip, but winrar might be better, right?
[23:43] <Error404NotFoun1> kristian-aalborg:  winrar
[23:44] <Error404NotFoun1> if hes using vista or 7 he shouldnt need extra software
[23:50] <kristian-aalborg> yes, I recall winrar as being pretty solid
[23:51] <kristian-aalborg> I packed this with the rar command fwiw
[23:54] <kristian-aalborg> I linked to both, said start with Winrar


[02:37] <theine> hi, is it possible to restrict read access to bzr branches hosted on launchpad? (disclaimer: I am aware that this is not in the open-source spirit)
[02:39] <lifeless> there is the ability to have private branches, but its a commercial service rather than a free offering - the free offerings are for open source projects
[02:42] <theine> I see, is there perhaps an academic pricing plan then? As you probably know, in academia, information sometimes needs to be kept secret prior to publication
[02:47] <lifeless> theine: I think you should chat with kiko about this
[02:47] <lifeless> kiko-zzz: ^
[02:47] <lifeless> perhaps drop a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:49] <theine> ok, will do, cheers
[04:35] <robvdl> Hi, I had in my repo a package version 1.0rc1 now everytime I upload 1.0 it thinks 1.0rc1 is newer and I cannot delete the old package
[04:36] <robvdl> is there any way to remove it?
[04:36] <robvdl> I completely removed the package from my ppa now in hope over time it gets deleted automatically
[04:36] <robvdl> but it's still there
[04:40] <robvdl> I'm going to wait a week and see if it gets deleted over time, I was just hoping there was a way to delete the old package now
[04:48] <persia> robvdl: There is no way to remove it: see bug #263301
[04:49] <persia> Note that for some use cases, the inability to remove it is considered a feature, whereas for others it is a bug.  A decision on which use cases will be favoured is still pending.
[04:49] <persia> In the future, you might want to use a version like 1.0~rc1, but that doesn't help you now.  You need to pick a name that sorts later than rc1.
[04:50] <persia> One possibility would be 1.0release: it's ugly, but the system will permit it.
[06:07] <robvdl> ok, cool
[08:58] <jabr> g'day. I've got at merging issue. When confirming a merge it ends up in a "Oops!" with the Error ID: OOPS-978F611.  The user account I'm trying to merge is a imported sourceforge account.
[09:21] <stub> There is already a bug open on that one...
[09:23] <stub> Bug 263672
[10:16] <mirkolindner> hej hi, got a question, how can I close a project in launchpad?
[10:20] <persia> mirkolindner: You need to be the project owner, and ask a question on answers.launchpad.net
[10:21] <mirkolindner> ehm ok will do thx
[11:52] <cjwatson> edge seems to be refusing to accept bug comments, bug status changes, blueprint people changes, and generally things that involve POST. Eventually it times out and lands me on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/261848/+addcomment with no content, but hasn't actually made the requested change. Is this known?
[11:54] <andrea-bs> cjwatson: Does https://edge.launchpad.net/people/+me/+edit work for you?
[11:59] <cjwatson> andrea-bs: No, same symptoms.
[11:59] <andrea-bs> cjwatson: Mh... it works for me
[12:00] <andrea-bs> cjwatson: Have you tried to delete cookies?
[12:01] <cjwatson> No, I wanted to see if any Launchpad developers were interested in debugging it before I erased the evidence
[12:14] <cjwatson> ... however, since I have to get some work done, I guess I'll have to burn the evidence
[12:17] <cjwatson> oh! sorry for the trouble. This was due to a network-manager bug which brings up both my wired and wireless interfaces simultaneously. :-(
[12:21] <wgrant> cjwatson: You're not the first to come and complain about LP being broken for that reason.
[12:25] <Nafallo> NM FAIL :-)
[12:25] <wgrant> It's more that NM is beginning to fail a bit less.
[12:26] <wgrant> Finally.
[12:26] <Nafallo> :-P
[12:31] <cjwatson> I filed bug 262152 about it a while ago, but forget about it every time I reboot.
[13:03] <gour> hi, any hint how to create 'tasks' wit LP? as bugs, blueprints...
[13:03] <gour> *with
[13:05] <andrea-bs> gour: go to the project page and click on "File a bug"
[13:07] <gour> andrea-bs: i'm asking 'cause in roundup everything is labelled as 'issue' and it's more close than a 'bug'
[13:22] <gour> does it make sense to create 'task' as bug with the importance set to 'wish'?
[13:27] <persia> gour: Depends on the importance.  In Ubuntu, typically "wishlist" is used for feature enhancements that are not essential to the user experience.
[13:28] <persia> If you've a feature that's more important than some regression or other issue, obviously you don't want Wishlist.
[13:44] <gour> persia: for example, i've a issue in roundup denoting a task named 'windows build environment' where i ask some of the team-members to take the task of testing multi-platform app under windoze environment. it's not a bug nor wishlist, so i'm not sure how to handle those under LP 'cause we plan to fully move from roundup to LP
[13:45] <persia> gour: Hmm.  I'm not sure about that sort of thing.  I've seen bugs with many tasks used previously, but that's sort of abusing LP, rather than using it.
[13:45] <persia> I suspect you'd do better to chat with someone with more familiarity with LP for project use, rather than distro use.
[13:45] <gour> ok
[16:14] <Daniell> how long does the reviewing of a .po file take?
[16:17] <Daniell> nvm
[17:05] <Tonio_> I !
[17:06] <Tonio_> I was till now hosting my @ubuntu.com mailbox on a server I'll stop working today...
[17:06] <Tonio_> I changed my launchpad contact address to a gmail account
[17:06] <Tonio_> how long do I have to wait so that my @ubuntu.com address points to the new one please ?
[17:26] <kiko> people have no patience!
[17:27] <kiko> I was going to say "it usually takes 24h"
[17:27] <kiko> but could he wait??
[17:28] <Nafallo> :-D
[17:28]  * gour is patient to get some hint how to manage 'tasks' with LP
[17:30] <kiko> gour, ah, you have a question?
[17:33] <gour> kiko-fud: yes, how to manage 'tasks' with LP, e.g. "the task of testing multi-platform app under windoze env."
[17:34] <kiko-fud> gour, oh, not bugtasks. like checklists or todos?
[17:34] <gour> yep
[17:35] <kiko-fud> gour, you will need to get creative. maybe you can use bugs + tags to accomplish this.
[17:35] <kiko-fud> i.e. we have no explicit task concept
[17:36] <gour> i see....bugs+tags might be ok
[18:36] <pro-rsoft> Hi, is it possible to assign multiple persons to a blueprint or is that impossible unless one creates a new team
[18:40] <gour> pro-rsoft: try https://staging.launchpad.net/
[18:40] <pro-rsoft> ah, thx, I didnt know about that
[18:41] <pro-rsoft> so I can change whatever I want about that to test stuff out?
[18:41] <gour> yep, sandbox ;)
[18:41] <pro-rsoft> cool
[18:42] <pro-rsoft> hmmkay, since I'm not admin there I cant assign people to blueprints
[18:43] <gour> create project/team/whatever
[18:43] <pro-rsoft> ah, ok. I thought that was just one project
[18:43] <pro-rsoft> so, when I assign people, will they really be notified?
[18:44] <gour> i don't think so
[18:44] <pro-rsoft> ok, good
[18:45] <gour> it says:"You can use that server to create sample projects, file random bugs and even push throw-away branches, all without disturbing the community actively using Launchpad."
[18:45] <pro-rsoft> ah, cool
[18:56] <matsubara> >> Launchpad meeting in 4 min in #launchpad-meeting
[18:59] <kiko> T-1
[18:59] <kiko> it is more fun than anything else on the planet
[19:01] <bdmurray> Why does a team's "assigned packages" link go to related-software and not something package related?
[19:02] <kiko> I think related software is packages, no?
[19:03] <bdmurray> Well +related-software talks about "related projects" so I don't think so
[19:03] <bdmurray> While there is a "Maintained Packages" tab
[19:04] <bdmurray> Which is what I'd think assigned packages would link to
[19:05] <kiko> is the problem the default view? give me some URLs
[19:05] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat
[19:05] <bdmurray> click on "List assigned packages"
[19:11] <kiko> bdmurray, it's a bug.
[19:12] <kiko> beuno, how do you feel about the above?
[19:12]  * beuno looks
[19:13] <beuno> huh, that's...  "interesting"
[19:13] <beuno> it's absolutely a bug
[19:14] <beuno> bdmurray, I'll file it, thanks
[19:14] <bdmurray> beuno: no problem
[19:16] <bdmurray> by the way is +packagebugs for a team linked to from anywhere
[19:29] <beuno> bdmurray, bug #264799 thanks you  :)
[19:29] <bdmurray> beuno: did you see my other question?
[19:30] <beuno> bdmurray, ah, no. What do you mean by that?
[19:30] <bdmurray> Is there anything that links to https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+packagebugs
[19:31] <beuno> bdmurray, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat
[19:31] <beuno> but we could make that much easier to get to
[19:31] <beuno> is that an important screen to you?
[19:33] <bdmurray> a bit, maybe adding a link for "list subscribed packages" on the main team page would work
[19:35] <beuno> bdmurray, I have bug #253652 on my queue
[19:35] <beuno> would you like to add comments on what you'd like?  (including what you just proposed)
[19:46] <_MMA_> How can I view this folder.png directly in a browser? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/files/4?file_id=rendered-20080904180602-4kcena7h7l22ot23-4
[19:46] <_MMA_> I would like to be able to directly link to it on the Ubuntu wiki so that it displays the most up to date image.
[19:46] <psycose> hi all !
[19:47] <beuno> _MMA_, you want to embed that image?
[19:47] <beuno> Loggerhead doesn't play well with binaries
[19:47] <psycose> while launching a build process on my PPA, the system failed because for im the libasis-dev does nt exist, but this package exist in universe/libdevel section ? any tips how do tell him this ?
[19:48] <beuno> _MMA_, it will force you to download it: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/mma%40ash-20080904183201-8z6twrcuyidsx1je/folder.png-20080904183140-r1x72piikty3tiie-2/folder.png?file_id=rendered-20080904180602-4kcena7h7l22ot23-4
[19:50] <_MMA_> beuno: Yeah. I'm just trying to link directly to that image. I *thought* that used to be possible. I was under the impression they were stored in a constant place, regardless of revision.
[19:50] <beuno> _MMA_, well, I think we can hack the URL into that
[19:51]  * beuno tries to remember
[19:51] <_MMA_> beuno: Any help would be great.
[19:52] <psycose> Should the Launchpad PPA builder find any package that is in the ubuntu Universe section ? because libasis-dev is in universe and he says this package does not exist ... any tips? thanks
[19:52] <bigjools> psycose: which distro series are you building for?
[19:53] <psycose> 8.10
[19:53] <bigjools> psycose: from what I can see, it's not published in 8.10
[19:53] <_MMA_> beuno: If I can get it to work, I can just maintain the branch, and the images I link to on the wiki would take care of themselves. Would be a very big win for the ubuntu-art team.
[19:54] <psycose> bigjools: thanks, but i'm on 8.10 also, it's installed on my system, and apt-cache show tells me it is in universe ..
[19:55] <beuno> _MMA_, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ebreathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/folder.png-20080904183140-r1x72piikty3tiie-2/folder.png?file_id=rendered-20080904180602-4kcena7h7l22ot23-4
[19:55] <beuno> _MMA_, the trick is to replace the revid with "head:"
[19:56] <beuno> hopefully, we'll have some of this witchcraft in Loggerhead soon
[19:56] <beuno> see bugs #236702 and #260362
[19:56] <psycose> bigjools: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libasis-dev
[19:56]  * _MMA_ tries it out.
[19:57] <_MMA_> beuno: Does the -4 at the very end denote a revision?
[19:58] <beuno> _MMA_, not really. You can guess because they contain the authors email address jumbled in it
[20:00] <_MMA_> beuno: Cool. Thanx alot man. This looks to work. Hopefully it holds true. :)
[20:00] <beuno> _MMA_, it should. And if it doesn't, hunt me down, I'll fix it  :)
[20:00] <_MMA_> :P
[20:01] <psycose> bigjools: any idea ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libasis-dev
[20:03] <bigjools> psycose: I'm afraid not.  Did you depend on a specific version?
[20:05] <bigjools> psycose: file a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz
[20:07] <psycose> bigjools: no, i just mention the package name, no specific version !
[20:07] <bigjools> ok when you file the question, please reference your build log and we can take a look
[20:17] <psycose> bigjools: here it goes, thanks https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/44165
[21:52] <stevemcc_gmu> is there a way to see who marked a bug to affect a certain source package using the API?
[23:46] <korpios> hmm, any reason branching from launchpad should be crawlingly-slow right now?
[23:50] <mwhudson> korpios: not really
[23:51] <korpios> hm
[23:51] <mwhudson> korpios: what protocol are you using?
[23:51] <korpios> mwhudson: hm, how would I check?
[23:51] <mwhudson> korpios: well, what command are you using?
[23:51] <korpios> bzr branch -v lp:django trunk
[23:52] <mwhudson> korpios: what does 'bzr launchpad-login' say?
[23:52] <korpios> "korpios"
[23:53] <mwhudson> should be ok, machine is only lightly loaded
[23:53] <mwhudson> 15 loadavg is >2 though, so maybe it's passed?
[23:53] <mwhudson> korpios: are you still branching?
[23:54] <korpios> it's still going ... I'm watching a pack slowly get downloaded in the packs dir; for awhile it wasn't moving at all ... the spinner isn't moving ... I already switched to a different local connection to make sure it's not me
[23:54] <mwhudson> korpios: what version of bazaar ?
[23:54] <korpios> 1.6.1rc2
[23:55] <korpios> branching into a 1.6.1-rich-repo repository
[23:56] <mwhudson> ah, well that will be doing a format conversion
[23:56] <mwhudson> (lp:django is packs-0.92)
[23:56] <korpios> as it goes?  maybe I should just branch normally first
[23:56] <mwhudson> but packs -> 1.6.1-rich-root shouldn't be too slow
[23:56] <mwhudson> korpios: it would be something to try
[23:56] <korpios> yeah, lemme give that a shot.


[21:08] <pr0t> if this is any indication of how the ubuntu community behave I think I would have to boycott it ;))
[21:08] <pr0t> s/behave/behaves
[21:08] <IdleOne> ok
[21:09] <awrsrme> question:  I mounted an external drive using disks after a fresh format.  shows up in files, but not within a specific program im trying to save files with (rstudio, recovering a dead raid).  is there something to be done with how I mount this drive? or maybe its an rstudio issue? running 14.04 trusy tahr
[21:09] <Erika22>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.ly/1jnWNBn
[21:10] <thevoid> hey guys i'm having an issue with my samba shares,  they are reading as only having the same amount of freespace as my / mount,  anyone have any idea why?
[21:10] <danes> hello, anyone knows where can I find a fix for vidalia? (process:2491): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: An AppArmor policy prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, 0 matched rules; type="method_call", sender="(null)" (inactive) interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="Hello" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination="org.freedesktop.DBus" (bus)
[21:11] <bagel`> if i have a text file full of strings, and i know the word "schoolbus" is somewhere in the middle of the file.. how can i open file.txt and start right at schoolbus? like instead of nano file.txt and then ctrl+w and then look for schoolbus.. how can i start on that line?
[21:11] <bagel`> any ideas
[21:11] <bagel`> im trying to open a file and start at a specific defined string using nano (if thats even possible)
[21:11] <bagel`> or if theres a way to determine what line number the string "schoolbus" is at in file.txt
[21:11] <bagel`> then i could use that line number to open through nano
[21:12] <Phil42> grep -n
[21:13] <izabera> after 20 minutes, i hope it's ok to repeat my question:
[21:13] <izabera> [20:52] <iza> guys, please, any help with this error message from boot-repair? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7936280/
[21:13] <fridaynext> this is my /etc/exports, and I can connect to my NFS shares, but I can't write to them. Can anyone see any settings I have that are blatantly wrong? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0s8FnRQM
[21:16] <Marlenee> !paste
[21:16] <Marlenee> !screenshots
[21:20] <golfero> hey
[21:20] <golfero> iv installed libre office with this comman sudo apt-get libreoffice, but now i dont see the libreoffice in my ubuntu office section
[21:20] <golfero> can anyone help me with this complicated problem
[21:21] <golfero> i mean is there any expert out there
[21:21] <guntbert> golfero: your "office section"? what is that?
[21:21] <fridaynext> Marlenee: was my comment too long for you?
[21:21] <golfero> guntbert,  i mean my ubuntu office section
[21:22] <golfero> like u know.. menue-office-libreoffice
[21:23] <golfero> and another problem is that, if downloaded the torrent of libreoffice , that comes up with a debian folder
[21:23] <guntbert> golfero: press the "win" key to invoke the dash, the type   writer
[21:23] <guntbert> *then
[21:23] <golfero> nothing comes guntbert
[21:24] <guntbert> golfero: do you get the dash?
[21:24] <voyagerlive> guntbert,  yep
[21:25] <voyagerlive> dash means where u search right?
[21:26] <guntbert> voyagerlive: please don't change nicks during a conversation - yes, where you search - what do you get when you just type     lib   (and wait a little)
[21:26] <Vampire-Bill> 14.04 wine or play on linux for trying to get smite working for son
[21:27] <basketball> how can i do this from a script gksudo gedit /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/intel-audio-powersave Find this line:
[21:27] <basketball> INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=${INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE:-true} and comment it out by putting a "#" in front of it like this:
[21:27] <basketball> # INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=${INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE:-true} Just below this line you make a new line, like this:
[21:27] <basketball> INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=false So now you will have:
[21:27] <basketball> # INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=${INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE:-true} INTEL_AUDIO_POWERSAVE=false
[21:28] <voyagerlive> guntbert,  i only get the .gz file of libreoffice that i have downloaded from torrent.
[21:28] <basketball> voyagerlive, are you trying to install 4.3
[21:28] <voyagerlive> basketball,  yep
[21:29] <basketball> hang on i have it up in chrome
[21:29] <guntbert> voyagerlive: please open a terminal and type    apt-cache policy libreoffice
[21:29] <guntbert> !paste | basketball
[21:30] <basketball> voyagerlive, copy and paste this in one line in  terminal
[21:30] <voyagerlive> guntbert,  it says install : none
[21:30] <basketball> voyagerlive,  do you have old version of libre installed
[21:30] <Corgi> Should I dual boot win8 and ubuntu?
[21:31] <voyagerlive> basketball,  no
[21:31] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: why
[21:31] <basketball> ok voyagerlive  type this in one line  wget http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/deb-x86/4.3.0/en-US/LibreOffice_4.3.0_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz && tar -xzvf LibreOffice_4.3.0_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz
[21:31] <basketball>  && cd LibreOffice_<IP_ADDRESS>_Linux_x86_deb/DEBS && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[21:31] <Corgi> Vampire-Bill, I want to use ubuntu.
[21:31] <basketball>  wget http://donate.libreoffice.org/home/dl/deb-x86/4.3.0/en-US/LibreOffice_4.3.0_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz && tar -xzvf LibreOffice_4.3.0_Linux_x86_deb.tar.gz
[21:31] <basketball>  && cd LibreOffice_<IP_ADDRESS>_Linux_x86_deb/DEBS && sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[21:31] <basketball> my bad
[21:32] <voyagerlive> basketball,  iv downloaded the torrent file of libreoffice, now i dont know how to install it
[21:32] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: it is up to you, have you dual booted os before
[21:32] <Corgi> Vampire-Bill, No, and I'm scared that it'll break my computer and I won't be able to use it
[21:33] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: than read about it first make sure that you are comfortable with it first than do it
[21:33] <Vampire-Bill> you wont break anything just might have to reinstall
[21:33] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: have the fun is breaking something and learning how to fix it
[21:33] <guntbert> voyagerlive: ok, so type    apt-cache policy libre-office-writer
[21:34] <Corgi> Vampire-Bill, But the not-so-fun part is that I'm risking money.
[21:34] <basketball> voyagerlive, did my command work
[21:34] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: what money are you risking using windows you have everything backed up
[21:35] <Vampire-Bill> Corgi: you need to read
[21:37] <guest132> I am wondering if I make a ubuntu server version 14 a standalone web server or database server or dns or dhcp or...etc how many clients can uses this server on a large network before I have to start worrying about resources. Assuming I have the top server hardware or a reasonably good hardware that I am running this ubuntu os on ?
[21:38] <clark__> hi,  If I run sudo su I become root, is that normal ?
[21:38] <guest132> I am looking for an approximation is it 10 , 100 , 1000 people some sort of gage so I know when to get another server or start doing clustering/load balancing techquies
[21:38] <svenx> clark__: it's super normal
[21:38] <OerHeks> clark__, yes.
[21:39] <clark__> I don't understand that, I can for example edit the sudo file
[21:39] <svenx> guest132: it depends entirely on the load per request and the frequency and distribution of requests. expect thousands for easy stuff
[21:39] <OerHeks> clark__, he 1st account made during install has root priv, and there are more diff between ubuntu and other linux versions.
[21:39] <OerHeks> he-the
[21:39] <guest132> say accessing a website
[21:40] <guest132> or websites
[21:40] <guntbert> clark__: yes, but usually you type    sudo -i   if you *really* need a root shell (and don't forget to exit as soon as possible)
[21:40] <svenx> guest132: depends on the cost of serving each page. if you add caching (varnish, for example), you could serve loads of users
[21:42] <clark__> OerHeks, yes I running from the first created account in xubuntu, but this must  be a security issue ? should I run from a account that have the same password as root ?
[21:43] <guntbert> !sudo | clark__
[21:43] <OerHeks> clark__, there is no security issue, afaik
[21:44] <OerHeks> clark__, that is the way ubuntu is designed.
[21:44] <guntbert> clark__: the root account is not acrivated by default
[21:44] <guntbert> *activated
[21:44] <guntbert> !root | clark__
[21:44] <guest132> ok but would I be correct in saying in most cases web servers , dns , dhcp , ntp would be relatively much lighter resource wise then file server or database server  interms resources
[21:45] <guest132> intensity
[21:47] <clark__> guntbert,  I get confused ? running "whoami" return "root". Is it something I am restricted to do using this (fake?) root account ?
[21:48] <guest132> so for web server I am looking for a sort of average min / max /range of people it would host if the pages where just static servering.  But the resources can only be as fast as the weakest link / bottleneck i.e if the server is much faster then the network client computers download/upload spe
[21:48] <guest132> eds , if the router is slowing the process down ,...and much more issues. I guess thats why we have all this snmp and other management Qos tools to
[21:48] <guntbert> clark__: after    sudo su    you really are root - exit that shell and you are "yorself" again, in the future just use    sudo (like ubottu sent to you)
[21:49] <baegle> Oh man. Skype! How much do we love Skype! amiright? What's the way to debug a core dump in the latest version of MonkeyLoving Skype?
[21:50] <guest132> never mind what I wanted is an example of a typical small , medium , and large business/company and what there server / network topology looks like. Is it more like 1 server hosting all the clients services , or 10 , 100 , are most services standalone servers for each services ?
[21:50] <clark__> guntbert, in the link it say "By default, the Root account password is locked in Ubuntu. This means that you cannot login as Root directly or use the su command to become the Root user. " I am using su and am root
[21:51] <guest132> Any examples for each or a jpeg of each
[21:52] <guntbert> clark__: thats because you gav *two* commands   -  sudo enables you to type any command with root permissions,  su   calls a shell as root
[21:52] <guntbert> clark__: but you cannot just type   su   to get a root shell
[21:53] <clark__> guntbert,  ok , now I understand what you mean, sorry
[21:53] <guntbert> clark__: no problem :) we learn by asking :)
[21:55] <clark__> guntbert, still is it not strange that you so easy can get so strong permissions ? and what is really the difference between be sudo root and just root.  you can do as much harm as both ?
[21:55] <voyagerlive>  i am trying to extract a tar.gz and i get this error stdin: not in gzip format    tar: Child returned status 1    tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[21:56] <voyagerlive> do i solve it
[21:57] <rww> voyagerlive: what's the output of "file filename.tar.gz"
[21:57] <guntbert> clark__: it is your computer, isn't it? The sudo mechanism is mainly to remind you when you are doing administrative work - thats why we usually just use sudo <command>, so we get root permissions just for one command
[21:57] <voyagerlive> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[21:57] <voyagerlive> tar: Child returned status 1
[21:57] <voyagerlive> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[21:57] <voyagerlive> rww
[21:57] <rww> voyagerlive: that's what happens when you type e.g. "file test.tar.gz"?
[21:58] <voyagerlive> rww im trying to install libreoffice... .deb.tar.gz file.. then i get this
[21:58] <voyagerlive> craps
[21:59] <rww> voyagerlive: Libreoffice is in Ubuntu's repositories, just install it from there...
[21:59] <voyagerlive> rww did that already, it desnt show up after install
[21:59] <voyagerlive> i used the sudo apt get install libreoffice
[21:59] <voyagerlive> then it showed installed
[21:59] <voyagerlive> but i dont get it under office menue
[21:59] <clark__> guntbert, ok, so it is more a practical thing,  I think I understand, thanks
[22:00] <rww> voyagerlive: might have to log out and back in or something. the command "localc" (for example) in terminal should work, if you want to test it was installed
[22:00] <voyagerlive> im using voyager linux. 12.04
[22:00] <rww> oh.
[22:00] <guntbert> clark__: You're welcome
[22:00] <rww> voyagerlive: go talk to your distribution for support, then
[22:00] <rww> voyagerlive: we only support actual Ubuntu here
[22:00] <voyagerlive> rww,  its a ubuntu i guess
[22:00] <rww> voyagerlive: it's a derivative of Ubuntu with changes that we don't know about or support
[22:01] <voyagerlive> okk
[22:01] <voyagerlive> thanks
[22:05] <lonewolf11705> hi
[22:05] <loofer> heh
[22:08] <Dragon64> Hello, Can anyone tell me why Ubuntu 14.04 and other varients thereof do not use the dns my router is handing out?
[22:08] <Dragon64> internet works fine, just uses some other dns
[22:08] <daftykins> should do
[22:09] <daftykins> what are you looking at to come to this conclusion?
[22:09] <daftykins> Dragon64: is it because you see <IP_ADDRESS> in resolv.conf ?
[22:09] <Dragon64> I have a 4 year old and use opendns to block porn and such, blcoks things on windows, but ubuntu can get to these sites fine
[22:09] <Dragon64> tells me somethings up
[22:10] <daftykins> right and did you configure ubuntu with OpenDNS IPs?
[22:10] <Dragon64> no, I am trying to get ubuntu to use the dns settings provided by my router
[22:10] <admin_> hi again, this is clark but I login using another account, using this account I am also able to use "sudo su" and become root.
[22:11] <Dragon64> I could set it up manually, but I want to know why its not working
[22:11] <daftykins> Dragon64: right so you don't know which it's configured with? have a read here - https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[22:11] <Dragon64> has something changed in the way ubuntu handles these things? It worked correctly in 12.04 withot my intervention
[22:11] <daftykins> it's relevant to all versions since 12.04
[22:11] <admin_> now if  I for example want a user to be able to install programs using apt-get but not be able to read content of other users, how do i do that ?
[22:12] <daftykins> admin_: you should never use 'sudo su' - this is not the correct way to switch to root in ubuntu
[22:14] <admin_> daftykins, I know that but the point is that you can, If I want to allow my brother to install programs but not look at my photos in my home folder, how do I do that ?
[22:14] <daftykins> admin_: don't think you can. one begets the other
[22:16] <admin_> daftykins, I can do anything from any account that belong to the sudo group right ?
[22:16] <guest132> typically if one installed a ubuntu server 14 on his large company network as a dedicated web server how many clients on average could access the web page before he would need to create another linux server for that services. This is an all linux server network with clients that could be linux , microsoft , mac , or any unix, or computer operating system as a client
[22:16] <daftykins> i have to go now, nn
[22:16] <daftykins> guest132: ask in the channel of your chosen web server, obviously it depends on the hardware spec
[22:17] <guest132> provided the hardware and the networking routers/switches where at top degree
[22:18] <guest132> some range would it be 10 -100 , 10 -20 , or 10 - 1000 , or 10 - 10000 ?
[22:18] <guest132> some average and you can assume the web site is static
[22:19] <daftykins> guest132: ask in the channel of your chosen web server.
[22:19] <eeee> admin_: you can add apt-get to a list of programs that run as root without asking for the sudo password
[22:19] <fedai_> selam
[22:22] <admin_> eeee, ok thanks, I think I made a mistake then I say sudoers can do anything in other accounts, I actually just see a README file and a "Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop" file
[22:23] <eeee> admin_: in the terminal type sudo visudo
[22:25] <admin_> eeee, thanks I think I start to grasp this now : )
[22:26] <admin_> *thanks! ,   I think I start to grasp this now : )
[22:27] <Hilikus> it looks like my ubuntu is not refreshing the packages upgrades. every 2 o 3 weeks i get a red icon in the task bar saying "the update information is outdated" if i refresh it by hand there's always a bunch of updates pending. what part triggers these catalog updates??
[22:27] <eeee> admin_: sorry i think it doesn't work, that only lets you run a command without asking for the sudo password, but the user would have to be in the sudo group i think
[22:28] <SchrodingersScat> Hilikus: there should be a 'Software & Updates' in your settings somewhere, one of those tabs should control that.
[22:28] <eeee> admin_: it's usually used if you want to run a job automatically and need to enter the sudo password
[22:28] <ramrebol_> .
[22:29] <ramrebol_> Hi. I have installed ubuntu14.04. All works fine, but after install the nvidia driver (GF 108 M) sugered by ubuntu and reboot the system dont work. How can I solve this without reinstall?
[22:29] <Hilikus> SchrodingersScat: it always says to check for updates daily
[22:29] <Hilikus> it is not doing it though
[22:30] <admin_> eeee, np,  .............    I will continue tomorrow, I am really tired and have to sleep,  thanks again
[22:30] <ramrebol_> the problem is the nvidia driver sugered by ubuntu, so this is a bug :/
[22:30] <SchrodingersScat> Hilikus: but how about when it displays them?  There's a setting for security updates (mine was on immediately) and then regular updates (mine was set to weekly, which sounds like you) ;  although, you can always do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ## and I normally do a && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:31] <eeee> admin_: np, nighty
[22:31] <daftykins> ramrebol_: sounds like a laptop?
[22:31] <weems|mac> My mailserver is read only. How do I change it?
[22:32] <ramrebol_> daftykins: yes, is a laptop. I suposse that the problem comes with nvidia-prime
[22:32] <daftykins> ramrebol_: sounds like you've not setup prime correctly, indeed
[22:32] <Guido1> Computer A and B are conected to a switch. The switch is conected to a rooter wich has internet conection. Does A downloads sneller, if B is off instead of downloading too?
[22:33] <daftykins> Guido1: the internet connection is the bottleneck, so of course it will divide the speed.
[22:34] <ramrebol_> I just installed the driver sugered by ubuntu. After that I reboot and now the system us frozen before the loggin screen. Then I dont know how can I setup anything
[22:34] <ramrebol_> daftykins:
[22:34] <daftykins> do TTYs work?
[22:35] <daftykins> ctrl+alt+F1
[22:35] <ramrebol_> yes, now I'm in a terminal (atrl+alt+F1) + irssi
[22:35] <daftykins> so login on TTY2 and run "sudo apt-get purge nvidia*"
[22:36] <daftykins> that should restore it to defaults
[22:36] <daftykins> i have to go now, good luck
[22:36] <Guido1> daftykins: the conection from the rooter to the internet is glasfiber, but I was thinking about the one cable between the switch and the rooter
[22:36] <daftykins> Guido1: ##networking might be of more use :) I must go now
[22:36] <ramrebol_> thanks daftykins for the idea.
[22:37] <ramrebol_> daftykins: is done. Now I reboot.
[22:38] <TheGeneral3> how do i tell my brother that i got his girlfriend pregnant?
[22:38] <rww> are you kidding me.
[22:39] <TheGeneral3> rww:  Need support? This is our break room! Try #ubuntu :)
[22:39] <svenx> he could use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)
[22:39] <svenx>  "there is a need for understanding but not for vengeance, a need for reparation but not for retaliation, a need for ubuntu but not for victimization"
[22:39] <Guest27929> hello
[22:43] <bjorkintosh> is there a reason my machine freezes when i attach a usb storage device?
[22:43] <bjorkintosh> it never did that under 13.10
[22:50] <luanLH>  /server irc.rizon.net
[23:02] <tola> I was trying to delete pictures from a camera - I could delete a couple at a time sometimes, but sometimes if I tried one or many I would receive the error message that the file system was read only. Any suggestions? Thanks!
[23:05] <Phoenix22>  Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://j.mp/1ALEmBS
[23:06] <ice9> auto screen lock doesn't however that option is selected!
[23:06] <rww> clearcrap
[23:06] <rww> oops
[23:07] <BananaNipples>  i'm thinking about paying for the linux foundation course certificate on EdX. I skipped through the course material and did the final exam and i passed the class. I was wondering if the official certification is worth it? it costs $250, it costed $5000 before they put it on edX. I'm in computer science and want to keep my options open for what I want to do in the future and thought this might look good on a
[23:07] <BananaNipples> beginner level resume. Any advice?
[23:07] <Beldar> heh, not so Freudian slip
[23:08] <rww> Beldar: mine, I assume?
[23:08] <Beldar> rww, Yeah. ;)
[23:08] <rww> Beldar: I have an alias set from that (with / ;) to /scrollback levelclear -level clientcrap,crap,clientnotices,clienterr
[23:08] <rww> but yeah, the name is amusing :)
[23:08] <Beldar> must have been a cli command
[23:09] <Beldar> ah bash
[23:09] <rww> irssi
[23:09] <BananaNipples> nobody can advise me about my question?
[23:10] <Beldar> BananaNipples, Sure, do what YOU feel is right, and this is off topic, any answer at best id subjective.
[23:11] <Beldar> is*
[23:11] <Beldar> BananaNipples, ##linux might give you subjective answers. ;)
[23:11] <BananaNipples> but i don't know if its right or not, i'm a newbie and thought i could get opinions from people who knew better
[23:13] <Ig0r> Hi. Anyone to help me please? How to update skype in Ubuntu. Now not inosible to login... may be need to update.
[23:13] <Beldar> BananaNipples, You you feel most satified if you work through the thinking process grasshopper.
[23:15] <Beldar> Ig0r, Makes you not supported technically here but it seems the skype pages version seems to be the fix at this moment, purge the local if you do this.
[23:15] <alazare619> how do i go about removing network manager and just using network interfaces file to static assign a ip?
[23:15] <noobatron> Oi
[23:15] <[R]> does anyone know why in 14.04 dhcpv6 sends the hostname to the server but in 12.04 it doesnt?
[23:15] <noobatron> I'm having some trouble with Ubuntu Installation on a USB
[23:16] <Beldar> !details | noobatron
[23:16] <noobatron> Downloaded that penguin USB converter thing a bob
[23:16] <noobatron> but the Ubuntu ISO file says missing in it
[23:16] <noobatron> Missing files
[23:17] <Beldar> noobatron, Handful of usb loaders try till one works. Try to post all the details in a batch not spread around in single posts
[23:18] <Beldar> noobatron, If you name the OS your building I I can give you a few to try.
[23:18] <Beldar> in*
[23:18] <Ig0r> Beldar: now im try co login, but i see this "Server connect filde" Skype version <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:19] <Beldar> Ig0r, That is really old what ubuntu release is this?
[23:19] <ramrebol> I have ubuntu 14.04, but I can't install nvidia driver (sugered by ubuntu) to my nvidia GF108M (GeForce GT 525M). Has anyone help me?  I suposse that is a bug
[23:19] <noobatron> I'll try with this start up disk thingie
[23:20] <Ig0r> hot to update Beldar :) give me more info please. i want to update only skype!!!
[23:20] <Beldar> Ig0r, Need to know your release, if your eol you are not calling the correct repos.
[23:21] <Beldar> Ig0r, You can find the skype website right?
[23:21] <ramrebol> the system keep frozen just before the loggin windows appears (alter install the nvidia driver)
[23:22] <Ig0r> Beldar: may be yes.
[23:22] <OerHeks> Ig0r, skype 4.3 update 1-8-2014 is in the repos, for supported ubuntu versions.
[23:22] <Beldar> ramrebol, A little details in the form of cause and effect helps in your inquiry. To the channel not me.
[23:23] <Beldar> Ig0r, I think may be might be a better nick for yah. ;)
[23:24] <ramrebol> I have ubuntu 14.04. All works fine, but after install the nvidia driver sugered by ubuntu (nvidia GF108M (GeForce GT 525M))  the system keep frozen just before the loggin windows appears. How can I install this driver?
[23:24] <ramrebol> this is a bug?
[23:25] <OerHeks> GT 525M sounds like dual gpu
[23:26] <ramrebol> OerHeks: I suposse :/
[23:31] <happyfr0gg> Hello, I am back.
[23:32] <happyfr0gg> I found a bit of technical genius concerning Ubuntu Live boot images that I would like to share. Any takers???
[23:33] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, Your role here is help or be helped on actual issues like the rest of us, make a blog or something. ;)
[23:34] <happyfr0gg> To revive an installed Ubuntu via a live cd/usb and mount the installed system INTO your Live system and work with it as if you had actually booted it, go  here...http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7937463/
[23:35] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, YOU have reloaded the mbr from a chroot, congratulations, done in countable times here daily.
[23:36] <Beldar>  you would run the update after the install by the way
[23:38] <happyfr0gg> Beldar - what do you mean by me reloading the mbr (Master Boot Record) from a chroot?
[23:38] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, That is what your paste is.
[23:39] <happyfr0gg> Oh.
[23:39] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, YOU chrooted to the install and put the grub from it into the nbr sda
[23:39] <Beldar> mbr*
[23:40] <Beldar> good skill to have though, good for you. ;)
[23:41] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, Did you fix the stack install or is this the new install?
[23:42] <DJJeff> SKYPE 4.3 FOR LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:42] <DJJeff> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
[23:42]  * DJJeff jumps up and down really fast till faints
[23:43] <happyfr0gg> Beldar - I have yet to fix the stack install. I have been doing tons of reading about it.  No new installation.
[23:43] <Matt23423> TJ: are you here?  This is matt from last night
[23:43] <happyfr0gg> Lol. Well, the paste just allows me to mount my installed system into the LiveCD/USB so I can try to fix the stack install I completed a few days ago.
[23:43] <gremlyn> just upgraded my htpc to 14.04 from 12.04 and now I have no desktop
[23:44] <ajay_> ?????????
[23:44] <gremlyn> I tried killing Xorg via CLI and selecting gnome instead of Ubuntu, and just loads to the background and that's it
[23:44] <gremlyn> no menu bars, no windows, no right click context menu, just a mouse pointer and a background
[23:45] <gremlyn> tried it under my user and guest user user too, just to be sure
[23:46] <WilsonMhmm> Can someone help me understand why Ubuntu throws up "Input/ Output" errors when copying data to USB? Is this a USB problem... A Ubuntu problem?
[23:47] <happyfr0gg> Thanks to this piece of advice, I can see some light at the once dark tunnel to my problem.  :-)
[23:47] <happyfr0gg> * end
[23:47] <WilsonMhmm> Sometimes only part of the file is copied sometimes none at all or sometimes all is copied.
[23:50] <Rallias> Is there an RSS feed to watch for package updates to a specific package?
[23:52] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, That chroot puts you in the root terminal in the install so yes you could theoretically fix it.
[23:53] <DJJeff> I need help with cross compile gcc... how do I CC for armv4 ?
[23:53] <Beldar> Rallias, Not a rss feed probably but checking the repos would work.
[23:54] <Rallias> Ok... is there a way to get notified if I'm not on a ubuntu computer of specific package updates?
[23:54] <Beldar> Rallias, An update -dist-upgrade apt-get style will tekk yah
[23:54] <alazare619> i only have ssh access to my server currently
[23:54] <Beldar> alazare619, And?
[23:54] <alazare619> how do i remove network-manager and have it re initalize over ssh
[23:54] <Rallias> So basically DIY.
[23:54] <Rallias> Gotchya.
[23:55] <happyfr0gg> Beldar - yes. Once I initiate these sequence of commands, I could theoretically use the graphics stack that is included on the LiveCD (not my laptop) and be able to use Unity, Uopdate Manager or Synaptic Package Manager to install the CORRECT files.
[23:56] <happyfr0gg> Thus fixing the missing Unity log in screen issue that I and so many other Ubuntu 12.04+ users have experienced.
[23:56] <alazare619> sudo apt-get autoremove network-manager (ive already configured /etc/network/interfaces) && sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[23:56] <WilsonMhmm> Any ideas, I find it hard to believe three USB devices are damaged resulting in failed copies of data but work fine with another OS.
[23:56] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, Not exactly correct, your in the root of the install the desktop is the live, yes you could load apps from the install, kinda a cumbersome approach a re-install would fix.
[23:57] <Beldar> WilsonMhmm, sure ncorrupted fat or ntfs will make it a linux problem.
[23:57] <Beldar> corrupted*
[23:57] <happyfr0gg> Wow. My head exploded.
[23:57] <alazare619> Beldar, does that seem correct?
[23:57] <Beldar> alazare619, No idea.
[23:58] <Beldar> happyfr0gg, Heh, gather it up and keep going, you are learning. ;)
[23:58] <happyfr0gg> I don't want to reinstall since I don't have a backup.


[01:49] <vino> veebers: i am here
[01:50]  * thumper goes to make a coffee while tests run
[02:42]  * thumper headdesks
[03:10]  * thumper primal screams...
[03:10] <thumper> FFS
[03:10] <thumper> our fake authorizer is SO fake, it was never checking anything
[03:10]  * blahdeblah grabs popcorn
[03:13] <thumper> it came with a hard coded "admin" default user for the dummy provider
[03:13] <thumper> and the fact that the admin permission is called "admin"
[03:13] <thumper> and we have a fake drop through that is a "helper"
[03:13] <thumper> that allows you to name the user based on the permission you'd like it to have
[03:14] <thumper> so the fake authorizer always had the default user with admin permissions
[03:14] <thumper> no matter what you set
[03:53]  * thumper runs all the tests again after the latest pass of fixing
[03:53]  * thumper nips out to look at a car
[07:01] <wallyworld_> kelvin: if you get a chance, a review of this PR would be great - it's adds the ability for k8s to report storage info back to juju for recording in the model https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8884
[07:02] <kelvin> wallyworld_, looking now
[07:03] <wallyworld_> kelvin: a lot of the code will be new to you - let me know if you have questions
[07:03] <kelvin> wallyworld_, yup, thanks.
[07:27] <manadart> externalreality: Got 5 for a HO?
[08:23] <icey> I have a deployed openstack, and I have different types of hypervisors; I can control the hypervisors that guests land on by using flavors; how can I control which flavors juju will use by default?
[09:39] <rathore_> Hi all, how can I install 2 charms that use ntp as subordinate on same machine? They all try to use the same port which fails some charms. It is to support both nova-compute and neutron-gateway
[09:39] <blahdeblah> rathore_: You shouldn't do that.
[09:39] <blahdeblah> You should configure one ntp subordinate on the bare metal and leave it at that.
[09:43] <rathore_> How can i do that, when i mention ntp to be deployed on specific hosts neutron gateway still tries to create subordinate charms
[09:44] <blahdeblah> rathore_: I'd need to see your configuration to be sure, but likely what you need to do is remove the relation between the neutron-gateway charm and ntp.
[09:49] <rathore_> :blahdeblah : http://termbin.com/1gam
[09:49] <rathore_> I am attempting to have 3 servers for control plane. All 3 will have all required services in HA
[09:55] <blahdeblah> rathore_: right, so you are hulk-smashing both nova-compute and neutron-gateway to nodes 0-2.  So removing the ntp relation on neutron-gateway should be safe in that situation.
[09:56] <blahdeblah> incidentally, the same would apply to other similar subordinates like nrpe, telegraf, landscape-client, etc.
[09:56] <blahdeblah> In some of our clouds we get around this by using cs:ubuntu as a bare metal base charm and relating all the machine-specific subordinates to that.
[09:58] <blahdeblah> rathore_: Also, in a 5-node deployment there's no value in enabling auto-peers on the ntp charm; it will only reduce performance due to the way the peer relation is implemented at the moment.
[09:58] <blahdeblah> (reduce performance of relation convergence, that is - it shouldn't have any effect on the actual running system once juju has deployed things and set up the relations)
[09:59] <rathore_> blahdeblah: thanks. Is there anywhere an example to implement this? I am new to openstack and not sure if having nova-compute and neutron-gateway is a bad idea
[10:00] <blahdeblah> I'll leave that for others more qualified to comment further, but we certainly have several clouds where both nova-compute and neutron-gateway are deployed together.
[10:00] <blahdeblah> (on the same bare metal nodes)
[10:00] <rathore_> blahdeblah: Thanks, is there any example for the cs:ubuntu trick anywhere in wild
[10:01] <blahdeblah> rathore_: I'm not sure; but it would look very similar to what you have already
[10:01] <blahdeblah> Probably not necessary if you're not adding lots of subordinates
[10:03] <rathore_> Is it something like https://github.com/gianfredaa/joid/blob/20af269d65cd053ba29ac8d9701bace4b17520be/ci/config_tpl/bundle_tpl/bundle.yaml
[10:03] <blahdeblah> rathore_: also, #openstack-charms might be a good place to ask about this
[10:05] <rathore_> blahdeblah: Thanks
[10:08] <stickupkid> manadart: I'm about to push my changes for ensuring that the local server is created and cached inside the server factory, but it seems there is an issue with bionic. Is there any chance you can have a look?
[10:09] <manadart> stickupkid: Sure. Just let me polish off this PR.
[11:01] <rick_h_> Morning party people
[11:37] <manadart> jam externalreality: Should you have a moment - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8885
[11:50] <stickupkid> anybody know what's changed in mongo recently, we're getting a lot of failures recently
[11:51] <stickupkid> s/mongo/mongo code/
[11:54] <manadart> stickupkid: What issue did you have? Looks like it's spinning OK here.
[11:54] <stickupkid> manadart: i can look into it more later, but http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/2054/console
[11:55] <manadart> manadart: I was meaning re the PR from earlier.
[11:55] <stickupkid> ah, sorry
[11:55] <stickupkid> manadart: let me check
[11:56] <stickupkid> manadart: let me just create a new lxc bionic container
[12:04] <rick_h_> externalreality: if you get a sec can you put https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8885 on your "to look at" list please?
[12:10] <rick_h_> jam: with 2.4.0 out we should be able to do that merge 2.3 to 2.4 now if that's cool
[12:13] <jam> rick_h_: thanks for the reminder.
[12:17] <rick_h_> 2.4.0 release announcement formatted up on discourse. I probably missed some formatting changes so feel free to suggest/edit.  https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/juju-2-4-0-has-been-released/53
[12:20] <rathore_> hi all, anyone has seen ubuntu@juju-04c90f-0-lxd-1:~$ sudo ls sudo: unable to resolve host juju-04c90f-0-lxd-1: Connection timed out
[12:26] <rathore_> lxd containers and hosts are unable to resolve themselves
[12:29] <rick_h_> rathore_: is this on bionic?
[12:29] <rathore_> xenial
[12:30] <rick_h_> rathore_: is their hostname in /etc/hosts?
[12:30] <rathore_> no it isn't
[12:57] <rathore_> rick_h_: Is this a known issue in bionic?
[12:58] <rick_h_> rathore_: sorry, just checking. I know that systemd does something where it resolves with a local daemon thing vs the older way to do things
[12:59] <rathore_> rick_h_: Thanks, i am also trying bionic now to see if it has same issue
[13:02] <rathore_> rick_h_: If it helps, the bare metal hosts have the same issue. I am using Maas for provisioning
[13:10] <jam> manadart: feedback on your PR
[13:11] <manadart> jam: Ta.
[13:23] <rathore_> rick_h_: Cannot deploy bionic. Install fails saying it cannot find image for bionic/amd64. So don't know if it works
[13:25] <rick_h_> rathore_: gotcha, yea you'll have to pull those images down into your MAAS to try it out
[13:25] <rick_h_> rathore_: sorry, on the phone a bit this morning. If you can replicate it please file a bug with notes on the MAAS/Juju verison and such.
[13:27] <rathore_> rick_h_: Maas has bionic and bare metal was provisioned with bionic. Its the lxd which complains. I will check if it happens again on xenial and file a bug.
[13:55] <rathore_> rick_h_: Just to update, the issue is fixed with Juju 2.4
[14:05] <hml> externalreality: is pr 8864 ready to move from WIP status to review?
[14:09] <rathore_> rick_h_: I take my words back. It seems to be random.
[14:20] <jhobbs> any chamhelpers reviewers around? This one is pretty small... https://github.com/juju/charm-helpers/pull/194
[14:28] <manadart> jam: Fixed it.
[16:05] <maaudet> After a clean bootstrap with Juju 2.4.0 on AWS, and then running juju enable-ha I get the following warning (but no error state): WARNING juju.mongo mongodb connection failed, will retry: dial tcp REDACTED-MACHINE-0-EXT-IP:37017: i/o timeout
[16:05] <maaudet> Is it cause for concern?
[16:05] <maaudet> Both machine 1 and 2 outputs this error in a loop
[16:47] <rmescandon> Does anybody know if influxdb and telegraf charms related as influxdb:query - telegraf:influxdb-api work out of the box. Or is it needed additional configuration?. Documentation say so, but I don't see that telegraf is adding the influxdb output plugin to /etc/telegraf/telegraf.conf
[16:58] <rick_h_> rmescandon: sorry, not sure off the top of my head.
[16:59] <rick_h_> maaudet: hmm, that doesn't seem right. Looks like a timeout trying to get the new controller dbs in sync with the first one? If you can replicate it please file a bug with the debug-log details please.
[17:25] <maaudet> rick_h_: Will do, I replicated it 3 times already, I'm going to put all the details in the bug report
[17:26] <rick_h_> maaudet: ty
[17:54] <kwmonroe> maaudet: just reading the 2.4 release notes, it says this about juju-ha-space bootstrap config: When enabling HA, this value must be set where member machines in the HA set have more than one IP address available for MongoDB use, otherwise an error will be reported.
[17:54] <kwmonroe> maaudet: could it be you're missing that config? https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.4/en/controllers-config
[17:57] <kwmonroe> maaudet: here's the actual section that talks about juju-ha-space in more deats: https://docs.jujucharms.com/2.4/en/controllers-config#controller-related-spaces.  looks like it's only a "must" if your controller has multiple ip addrs. not sure if that applies to you.
[17:58] <maaudet> kwmonroe: I tried it, but when I run juju controller-config juju-ha-space=my-space it says that my machine is not part of that space, but when I check juju show-machine 0 it says that it's in that space
[17:59] <rick_h_> maaudet: kwmonroe so that space stuff is only on MAAS since AWS doesn't know about spaces tbh
[17:59] <maaudet> that's what I figured
[18:00] <kwmonroe> aaaah, thx rick_h_.  i'll go back to my cave now.
[18:00] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: all good
[18:00] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: heads up, juju show thurs (since the holiday wed) to celebrate 2.4
[18:00] <rick_h_> and hopefully some other fun stuff to show
[18:00] <kwmonroe> w00t
[18:00] <rick_h_> bdx: zeestrat ^
[18:01] <bdx> rick_h: good deal, count me in
[18:01] <bdx> congrats on the 2.4 all!!
[18:02] <rick_h_> woooo!
[18:04] <pmatulis> rick_h_, maaudet, kwmonroe: i should add MAAS & AWS only for that stuff on controller spaces
[18:04] <rick_h_> pmatulis: yea, I was just asking folks about that as it *should* work anywhere we support spaces but seems it's MAAS-only atm
[18:04] <pmatulis> but the main docs do link to the network-space page
[18:04] <pmatulis> which do say MAAS/AWS only
[18:15] <maaudet> I'm on AWS actually
[18:22] <pmatulis> maaudet, in Juju did you create a space for an available AWS subnet?
[18:23] <maaudet> pmatulis: Yes, 2 subnets for 1 space, both subnets were in 2 different az
[18:26] <pmatulis> maaudet, and 'juju spaces' looks fine?
[18:36] <maaudet> pmatulis: I took down the controller for now, but yes, I could see the right ranges in the right space + 2 FAN network ranges
[19:04] <cory_fu> rick_h_: I'm trying to help someone debug the controller returning "could not fetch relations: cannot get remote application "kubeapi-load-balancer": read tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:36590-><IP_ADDRESS>:37017: i/o timeout" and came across https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1644011  They're also having `juju status` hang, but checking on the controller they still see a /usr/lib/juju/mongo3.2/bin/mongod process.  Any clues on what could cause that or how to
[19:04] <cory_fu> track it down?
[19:04] <mup> Bug #1644011: juju needs improved error messaging when controller has connection issues <usability> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644011>
[19:05] <rick_h_> cory_fu: hmm, so is this a cross model relation?
[19:05] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Nope.  Just a normal relation in a CDK deployment
[19:05] <rick_h_> cory_fu: hmm, someone else was getting an i/o timeout today setting up HA.
[19:05] <rick_h_> cory_fu: I'm trying to see if I can replicate it and see what's up
[19:05] <cory_fu> rick_h_: This was mid-deployment with conjure-up
[19:05] <rick_h_> cory_fu: with 2.4?
[19:05] <cory_fu> Not sure
[19:06] <rick_h_> cory_fu: please check, I'm wondering if there's an issue in 2.4 around this
[19:07] <cory_fu> Asked, waiting on a response
[19:07] <rick_h_> cory_fu: k
[19:19] <zeestrat> rick_h_: thanks for invite. Cruising around Sweden atm so looking forward to watch when back :)
[19:24] <rick_h_> zeestrat: oooh have fun!
[19:28] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Apparently, it's Juju 2.3.8, and the juju-db service seems to still be running.
[19:47] <rick_h_> cory_fu: ok, and <IP_ADDRESS> is the controller IP address?
[19:47] <cory_fu> Yes, the cloud internal IP address.
[19:48] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Just like in the bug that you filed about reporting db connection errors better, it seems to be the controller timing out talking to the db, but in this case the DB seems to be up and running.
[19:49] <cory_fu> At least, systemctl is reporting it as running, and there were no obvious errors in the log, with update messages from the controller in there after the time of the error
[19:49] <rick_h_> cory_fu: did we try to restart it?
[19:49] <rick_h_> cory_fu: as well as the jujud ?
[19:51] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Unfortunately no.  The person in question apparently wanted to just tear it down and redeploy, since this happened during deployment.  I asked about trying to get more debugging info, but it seemed like they were trying to get EOD before the holiday
[19:51] <cory_fu> rick_h_: They said that, if it happens again, they'll follow up on Thursday
[19:51] <rick_h_> cory_fu: ah ok. Yea sorry. I'd like to get to the bottom of it. Feel free to connect us more directly if we can help
[19:52] <cory_fu> rick_h_: Will do
[20:41] <thumper> babbageclunk: ping
[20:42] <thumper> bug 1779904 did we not test the rc upgrades with the upgrade step?
[20:42] <thumper> also the upgrade steps should be idempotent
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1779904: 2.4.0 upgrade step failed: bootstrapping raft cluster <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779904>
[21:23] <thumper> rick_h_: re bug 1779897, looks like a potential recent lxd change
[21:23] <mup> Bug #1779897: container already exists <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779897>
[21:23] <thumper> care to put a card on your board to track?
[21:24] <rick_h_> thumper: rgr, on it
[21:26] <babbageclunk> thumper: crap
[21:26] <babbageclunk> No, I didn't test upgrading from an rc to 2.4.0
[21:28] <babbageclunk> Ah, and because it wasn't a state upgrade I didn't use the standard check upgraded data test for steps, which would have checked it was idempotent. Bugger.
[21:30] <babbageclunk> thumper: ok, I'll change the upgrade step now
[21:31] <thumper> babbageclunk: thanks
[21:34] <veebers> thumper: does that mean we'll be releasing 2.4.1 sooner than expected?
[22:38] <babbageclunk> thumper: can you review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8886 please/
[22:38] <babbageclunk> ?
[22:40] <babbageclunk> I'm just testing both cases now
[23:21] <thumper> babbageclunk: reviewed, just wondering if just checking the existence of the directory is sufficient to consider raft bootstrapped?
[23:23] <babbageclunk> thumper: I think so - that directory is created in the process of creating the logstore or snapshot store, immediately before the bootstrapping.
[23:26] <thumper> ok
[23:40] <babbageclunk> I'll put that on the PR for posterity too.