[00:01] <theFATMAN> any kbfx experts in the house?
[00:03] <theFATMAN> ok, any kbfx users in the house?
[00:11] <szakulec> has everyone seen "Big Buck Bunny" yet?
[00:15] <cbr> yup
[00:21] <szakulec> has anyone has luck using QDVDauthor to make DVD's?
[00:30] <Damien__> What are some good RPG games for Kubuntu?
[00:32]  * sinak gn ppl
[00:50] <hugo> hola
[00:50] <hugo> or hi..
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> hey
[00:51] <Poet> what lenguge do you speak here?.. que idioma se habla aqui? ques que vou parle?
[00:51] <nosrednaekim> english
[00:51] <Poet> great
[00:52] <Poet> so lets talk in english
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> :)
[00:52] <Poet> i need something...
[00:52] <Poet> i want to download music in Kubuntu.. how can i do?
[00:53] <Maska> hello, someone can tell me where can i find a "solid" Doc about KPF ?
[00:53] <szakulec> Damien__:KQ is the only one that comes to mind
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> you can use the Amazon donwload service, or from magnatune
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> Maska: pardon.. whats KPF?
[00:53] <szakulec> Poet:there's Amazon's service, Archive.org's one, Jamendo, and Magnatunes
[00:54] <Maska> KPF (KDE Personal File Server)
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> oh... right there isn't much really... you can read my blog post on it though
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2007/06/23/easy-cross-platform-file-sharing-with-kpf/
[00:55] <Maska> nosrednaekim: arigato gosaimasu ^_^
[01:00] <Poet> i want to download music in kubuntu.. how can i do that?
[01:00] <Poet> pleasee HEELLPP!
[01:00] <Poet> lol
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> Poet: we already answered you
[01:01] <Maska> Poet: if you have Amarok try Magantunes ;)
[01:05] <Poet> thanks you
[01:05] <Poet> i will try
[01:05] <Maska> or just buy your music online and pay... pay for us... just pay for us all... xD
[01:06] <Poet> no
[01:06] <Poet> i cant and i dont want to pay..
[01:06] <Poet> foo que tiene de sofware libre linux si no se puede bajar musica
[01:07] <Maska> linux is free not the music you listen on it lol
[01:07] <Poet> ok
[01:07] <Poet> great
[01:08] <Maska> i know life is unfair xD
[01:08] <TrAndy> .
[01:13] <Maska> Varonchito: some google result: Jamendo offers free access and free download of music tracks, published with Creative Commons licences...
[01:18] <[ifr0g]> !find pysqlite
[01:18] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find pysqlite, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <[ifr0g]> !pysqlite
[01:19] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pysqlite, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <[ifr0g]> !help
[01:19] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[01:19] <[ifr0g]> !search pysqlite
[01:19] <nubotu> Found:
[01:20] <[ifr0g]> !search nmap
[01:27] <holycow> looks like 4.0.8 just got released to backports
[01:35] <wastrel> hello
[01:35] <wastrel> i turned off the irritating effects but they are still active how do i kill them?
[01:42] <acluman> I am trying to install gnupg-1.4.9. When I make install it, it says, "/usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/gpgsplit': Permission denied
[01:43] <Pliskin> sudo make install
[01:43] <acluman> oh, oh wow. Thanks
[01:43] <Pliskin> don't forget "sudo"
[01:43] <acluman> facepalm
[01:43] <Pliskin> ?
[01:44] <wastrel> it's like headdesk.
[01:44] <wastrel> "doh"
[01:45] <wastrel> interesting that kubuntu-desktop doesn't install the kde metapackage
[01:45] <wastrel> i guess you only need the one
[01:45] <zippo_> hello
[01:46] <acluman> oh, now that it's installed, how do I get to it?
[01:49] <zippo_> hello
[01:49] <zippo_> does someone here got conky?
[01:50] <wastrel> acluman: if it's in /usr/local/bin you can call   /usr/local/bin/programname
[01:50] <zippo_> cuz i cannot get answet at #conky and i've got little problem
[01:50] <wastrel> or add /usr/local/bin to your path
[01:50] <wastrel> ack! can't click hyperlinks in konsole?
[01:51] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[01:51] <MetaMorfoziS> i just installed kubuntu to a vbox machine, i stripped it down and from a livecd (in a vbox env) i copied it to my pendrive
[01:51] <MetaMorfoziS> i has two partitions on it /boot and /
[01:51] <MetaMorfoziS> the question is, how can i install grub on it?
[01:52] <MetaMorfoziS> grub-install /dev/sdb1 says that he not founds or it maybe not a block device
[01:53] <MetaVbox> exactly:
[01:53] <MetaVbox> oot@ubuntu:/home/ubuntu# grub-install /dev/sdb1
[01:53] <MetaVbox> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[01:53] <MetaVbox> any idea?
[01:59] <MeTa> i'm still here_Ö
[01:59] <MeTa> :)
[02:14] <edenroz> salve,come setto kubuntu in italiano?
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[02:16] <wastrel> spammers <3
[02:20] <edenroz> salve,come setto kubuntu in italiano?
[02:20] <mr--t> !it
[02:20] <nubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:28] <dangelo> ola alguem jah conseguiu instalar wifi num note aspire 3050-1458?
[02:45] <wastrel> i now realize i was looking at kde3 still
[02:45] <wastrel> kde4 is considerably prettier.
[02:53] <anna_> ...
[03:27] <acluman> once I've installed a program how do I find it?
[03:27] <baudthief> is there a way to modify Kubuntu's "shutdown" script? I just need to prefix 'sudo umount -a' to it, as it hangs trying to unmount some cifs shares
[03:29] <acluman> I just finished the make install phase, now where is it?
[03:29] <edenroz> hi,can u help me?my compiz cube have only 2 side
[03:29] <wastrel> acluman: if it's the same one you were talking about earlier, it's in /usr/local/bin
[03:31] <acluman> okay, there are some executable files with names that sound like what I'm looking for, but they don't open
[03:34] <wastrel> acluman: try running from the command line  /usr/local/bin/programname
[03:36] <acluman> why no work?
[03:37] <shamil> no work?
[03:39] <acluman> is there a run command, or  is it just /usretc
[03:40] <wastrel> what's /usretc ?
[03:40] <edenroz> hi,can u help me?my compiz cube have only 2 side
[03:40] <wastrel> run it from konsole
[03:41] <wastrel> edenroz: not in compiz atm
[03:41] <acluman> i meant /usr/local/bin/gnupg I just didnt want to type the whole thing
[03:41] <edenroz> wastrel, ?
[03:41] <wastrel> acluman: you'll need to add /usr/local/bin to your path.
[03:41] <mr--t> acluman if you are in the right directory and the program is installed you only need type the name of the executable file and it should run
[03:41] <edenroz> wastrel, when i turn it have only 2 side,like a page of a book
[03:43] <edenroz> wastrel, i see a flat screen in 3d
[03:43] <wastrel> edenroz: sorry i'm not using compiz :]
[03:43] <mr--t> !compiz
[03:43] <nubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:46] <mr--t> edenroz ^
[03:47] <arcl> anyone using kde4.1 beta1 now?
[03:47] <mrksbrd> what would be the biggest advantage w/64bit version??
[03:49] <arcl> 64bit rise the memory limit?
[03:50] <mr--t> maybe ists just me but I don't think there is enough software yet written to take advantage of 64 bit
[03:50] <acluman> does the program only work from the command line
[03:51] <mrksbrd> not sure if it is anything better as far as noticable performance
[03:52] <billyd> Way back when, in C/PM days anything written for the 8080 would work on the Z80 chip, a better chip, so very few programs were written to take advantage of the Z80 chip
[03:53] <mr--t> have you installed another way for it to work such as an applet or add it to a drop down menu acluman
[04:14] <fanqo> hello,guys here,i am using kubuntu now,but every time i power on my computer ,i must restart x ,or the desktop will not wok,anyone has the same problem
[04:19] <rivera> I know this is probably a very stupid question. I apologize in advance. When accessing storage media from a regular non-root user, I get a "Permission Denied" error by dolphin (file explorer), what permission do I have to bestow to my mortal user so he can access mounted drives?
[04:23] <acluman> when I run gpg on the command line it just says" gpg:Go ahead and type your message ..."
[04:24] <mr--t> rivera  open dolphin from a terminal using sudo
[04:24] <mr--t> !sudo
[04:24] <nubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[04:25] <maduser> whats the defult battery app for kubuntu
[04:25] <maduser> ?
[04:28] <rivera> mr--t, I know I can run as sudo
[04:28] <rivera> but I can't expect mortal users to do that everytime they  need to explore files
[04:29] <rivera> I know I can set the persmissions so that a user can explore a mounted drive, I just don't remember what permission I need to set
[04:30] <NickPresta> rivera, you should be using kdesu instead of sudo if you're running graphical applications. Is this storage media like a USB drive or a HDD or partition?
[04:30] <rivera> NickPresta, it's just another drive on the computer
[04:31] <rivera> again, I know I can easily solve this by doing a sudo, but asking computer illeterate people to do this is a bit much. I am already having enough trouble trying to get them away from windows, asking them to put in a password to view a photo or listen to an MP3 wont be any simpler.
[04:31] <NickPresta> rivera, I would mount it (by editing your /etc/fstab) so that all users can access it
[04:32] <rivera> NickPresta, that sounds better, what do I need to modify (a simple RTFM will do)
[04:32] <wastrel> add user to the mount options  man fstab
[04:33] <NickPresta> rivera, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#head-2a64a964ff8833576586c7216a1199f022c505a6 (the chart) and `man fstab`
[04:33] <dsmith_> rivera: thank MS for keping ppl ignorant
[04:34] <NickPresta> `man mount` too, for mount options
[04:35] <Regital> hey, i cant get my dvd´s to work on my kubuntu 8.1
[04:35] <shamil> find mebibuntu repository
[04:35] <Regital> ive done that already
[04:35] <shamil> ok
[04:35] <shamil> now install libdvdcss2
[04:36] <Regital> and when i try to install dvdlibcss or w/e it is, the dvd still wont work
[04:36] <Regital> yea that one
[04:36] <rivera> dsmith_, yeah, I hear you
[04:36] <shamil> all you need is libdvdcss2 for dvd's and nothing else
[04:36] <NickPresta> Regital, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:36] <Regital> shamil, i know, ive installed it but the dvd still wont play
[04:36] <General_Grievous> weird
[04:36] <shamil> what media player you  using?
[04:37] <General_Grievous> try VLC
[04:37] <Regital> ive tried amarok and vlc
[04:37] <NickPresta> Regital, please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:37] <shamil> amarok is just music player, unless you have the video plugin for it
[04:37] <Regital> NickPresta ive read it multiple times already
[04:37] <shamil> just don't use amarok for trying to play videos anyhow
[04:38] <NickPresta> Regital, and?
[04:38] <shamil> xine, mplayer, kaffiene, totem, and vlc will probably be waht you want
[04:38] <Regital> it still doesnt work
[04:38] <Regital> tried it with xine too
[04:38] <shamil> well
[04:38] <NickPresta> Regital, what doesn't work? The install? Playing DVD? All DVDs?
[04:38] <Regital> playing any dvd´s
[04:38] <shamil> also go ahead and install libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:38] <Regital> sry i didnt clarify that btw
[04:38] <shamil> that's a codec package
[04:39] <Regital> already installed
[04:39] <NickPresta> Regital, what happens when you try to play the DVD?
[04:39] <Regital> when i open it in vlc nothing happens
[04:40] <shamil> try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras package as well:)
[04:40] <shamil> how are you opening it in vlc?
[04:40] <Regital> oh crap... i gotta go
[04:40] <NickPresta> Regital, and going to File > Open Disc doesn't do anything? No error?
[04:40] <Regital> ill try that, and thanks for the help tho
[04:40] <shamil> so he was missing a step
[04:40] <Regital> gotta go.. sorry
[04:41] <Regital> thc
[04:41] <shamil> it's all good
[04:41] <shamil> seeyou
[04:41] <shamil> it probably works fine for him
[04:41] <shamil> it sounds like he like he opened the program for playing dvd's just didn't load the dvd with the program
[04:41] <mr--t> can anyone say error log?
[04:41] <shamil> wha tyou mean?
[04:42] <shamil> lol
[04:42] <shamil> there's no reason dvd's shouldn't work unless you don't have a css decryptor and no media playing software
[04:43] <shamil> or if you dont know how to use that media playing software
[04:43] <mr--t> shamil hes gone
[04:44] <shamil> i know he's gone
[04:44] <shamil> i guess no one cares for talking about the topic of his problem
[04:45] <shamil> if you read what i wrote i wasn't typing those directly at him and "<-- Regital has left this server (Remote closed the connection)." was good enough for me
[04:45] <mr--t> np
[04:46] <shamil> this is my first time using hopping into the ubuntu irc channel
[04:47] <General_Grievous> nice
[04:47] <General_Grievous> way to go
[04:47] <shamil> one big problem with users having problems, is that they don't go into enough detail, and simply says that something doesn't work
[04:48] <shamil> interesting in here so far
[04:53] <flaccid> libdvdread3 is required to read/play dvds
[04:54] <flaccid> !bot
[04:54] <nubotu> I am ubottu, the all-knowing infobot, standing in for ubotu while he's getting his haircut done, nose powdered, updated and transitioned to his new gorgeous looks in the near future ;)
[04:54] <flaccid> !info libdvdread3
[04:54] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[04:55] <flaccid> !info kde-core
[04:55] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info kde-core, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <shamil> ?
[04:55] <shamil> oh
[04:55] <flaccid> hmm its a different bot
[04:55] <shamil> lol
[04:55] <shamil> what is kde-core?
[04:55] <shamil> i've always used kdebase
[04:55] <flaccid> stdin, i think we need a static 'bot' that can serve the factiods :)
[04:55] <shamil> :p
[04:56] <shamil> or there's google for factoids
[04:56] <flaccid> no we have a factoid database that was used with ubotu
[04:57] <flaccid> shamil, http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/kde-core
[04:57] <shamil> cool
[04:57] <mr--t> this is nu botu
[04:58] <shamil> i see
[04:58] <flaccid> because ubuntu documentation is all over the place etc. ubotu is a great help to get the required link quickly
[04:59] <wastrel> <3 ubotu
[04:59] <NickPresta> !botsnack
[04:59] <nubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[04:59] <shamil> apt
[04:59] <shamil> yes
[04:59] <flaccid> hahaha
[04:59] <shamil> yum sucks
[05:00] <shamil> idk why redhat didn't just port apt to their architecture
[05:00] <mr--t> whats yum
[05:00] <shamil> yum is the redhat package manager thing majingey
[05:00] <mr--t> o
[05:00] <shamil> fedora, redhat, mandriva use it
[05:01] <NickPresta> rpm based systems use it
[05:01] <shamil> except for pclinuxos
[05:01] <NickPresta> just as dpkg based system use apt(itude)
[05:01] <flaccid> redhat is rpm not debian anyway
[05:01] <shamil> pclinuxos soley uses apt for rpm's in that distribution, iand it's quite beautiful
[05:01] <flaccid> and yum is fine really
[05:01] <shamil> true
[05:02] <shamil> but why use yum when they could have just ported apt in the first place:p
[05:02] <shamil> pclinuxos ported apt for their rpm handling:)
[05:02] <flaccid> there are caveats for every package manager and system. no such thing as best. and these distros wouldn't be succesful if it didn't work..
[05:02] <shamil> it's like using debian, except apt in there handles rpm's
[05:03] <shamil> for pclos:p
[05:03] <flaccid> no need to port really. its linux. why would you need to put it in there. don't fix something that isn't broken..
[05:03] <flaccid> shamil, yes but with little point..
[05:03] <shamil> :p
[05:03] <shamil> yum is really too similar to apt though:(
[05:03] <flaccid> i mean you could port apt to win32 yeah and do a vfs of some kind with wrapper etc. but hey wouldn't be much point
[05:04] <flaccid> they both work, so um yeah they work heh
[05:04] <shamil> y use yum if yum is too identical apt and apt was way before yum?
[05:05] <NickPresta> flaccid, http://windows-get.sourceforge.net/index.php
[05:05] <NickPresta> ;)
[05:05] <flaccid> there is no why. people are free to use whichever they want. its a free and open world here
[05:05] <shamil> the only packaging solution that is similar and being totally different from yum and apt is pacman
[05:05] <shamil> i guess redhat just wanted something they could call their own:)
[05:06] <flaccid> not really no
[05:06] <shamil> how so with pacman?
[05:07] <flaccid> NickPresta, yeah lots of similar projects like that. stuff like unattended is good too. i used to work for ipass so i know a lot about windows packaging..
[05:07] <shamil> oh wait:p
[05:07] <shamil> lol
[05:09] <NickPresta> well gents. im off for the night. Goodnight all
[05:09] <dsmith_> NickPresta: I was using that he other week
[05:09] <flaccid> night nickp
[05:09] <dsmith_> not enough material in there
[05:14] <sparr> how do i add apps to Digikam's "open with" dialog for a photo?
[05:30] <SilentDis> hello, does anyone have any expirence with Firestarter and it's setup?  I have 1 machine connected via EVDO (USB to cellphone) works fine, and I SSH into that machine over Eth0 from a laptop and tunnel a few X apps over it (kopete and skype).  Problem is, once the 'net connection comes up, I can no longer connect to the main box due to firestarter's setup.  Can someone tell me how to get this setup right?
[05:47] <frybye> Hi Folks.. how to import address- book from a windows maching into thunderbird (on hardy-?)
[05:48] <frybye> I can export the add-book either in .vcf or .csv format - but how to get that into the thunderbird???
[05:49] <frybye> in thunderbird - going to import just gets it too look for another mail programme on the local computer..
[05:55] <p_quarles> frybye, iirc, you may have to install thunderbird in Windows, then import the e-mails into that, then export to an archive which you can then save on a memory card, etc.
[05:56] <frybye> sounds like a clever soloution - both pcs are on the home net so no need to put on mem card .. but the basic method is genial - thanks...
[05:57] <frybye> it is just the addresses that I want to migrate - the old mails dont matter I guess..
[05:57] <frybye> just so I have full email usage whichever pc I am using...
[06:02] <doug_> can somebody help a newbie with permissions questions?
[06:04] <doug_> anybody here?
[06:05] <wastrel> just ask :]
[06:07] <doug_> I just created a guest account, then from that account was able to navigate to /home/{other user}/
[06:07] <doug_> why does it allow that?
[06:08] <wastrel> by default home directories are world-readable
[06:08] <doug_> really? I thought that *nix allows disallows that...OS X does not allow access by other users...I assumed that all *nix acted that way
[06:08] <wastrel> dunno why it's done that way but that's why :]
[06:09] <doug_> that's crazy
[06:09] <doug_> is there a way to password-protect home directories?
[06:09] <wastrel> well they're not writable
[06:09] <wastrel> you can change the perms so they're not readable by others
[06:10] <doug_> can that be done from the gui, or do I have to learn the bash shell to do that?
[06:12] <wastrel> open up a terminal, and do
[06:12] <wastrel> sudo chmod go-r /home/*
[06:13] <wastrel> that will remove read permission for non-owner for all home directories.
[06:14] <frybye> p_quarles:  hmmm did not get the addresses (csv format-) imported correctly to thunderbird on the windows pc..
[06:14] <wastrel> that's a simple, if imperfect way
[06:15] <frybye> p_quarles: not as simple as one would hope - cos the format of the comma- separated data has to be exactly the same when exp. and imp. apparently..
[06:15] <frybye> is there perhaps a helper-programme available that can square the data up somhow...?
[06:15] <doug_> wastrel: Thanks!
[06:17] <doug_> don't mean to be greedy, but I just installed the open source g{something} flash player. It doesn't seem to work. How do I get firefox to ask me to install a flash player so I can install adobe's version?
[06:18] <flaccid> depends on how the user was created and how the user home directory was created. useradd by default doesn't create the home on ubuntu
[06:21] <flaccid> i gtg
[06:31] <pr0ggie> hello
[06:32] <pr0ggie> Is there a kopete aspell bug?
[06:33] <wastrel> doug_: you can install flashplayer-nonfree from your package manager
[06:38] <doug_> I tried that...it tells me that I need to use the synaptic package manager. I don't know what that is.
[06:39] <doug_> I mean I tried uninstalling gnash
[06:39] <frybye> probably in your system menu point...? doug_
[06:40] <frybye> further down from where you find adept for instance...?
[06:40] <wastrel> adept and synaptic should be equivalently capable shouldn't they?
[06:41] <frybye> doug_ I hope somebody else can help you with installing flash for firefox - I needed help here on location myself - it is not as easy as one might hope..
[06:41] <doug_> okay, thanks...
[06:41] <frybye> wastrel not sure about that - there are at least often reccomendations for one or the other...
[06:42] <frybye> doug_ it also makes a difference If I remember rightly wether one is running x86 or x64 system...
[06:42] <frybye> ie 32 bit or 64bit system.. i mean...
[06:43] <frybye> flash has not native support for x64...
[06:47] <jussi01> doug,did I get this right, you are looking for flash on 64bit?
[06:51] <doug_> no, 32 bit
[06:52] <frybye> that should make it a bit easier...
[06:52] <doug_> I have abigger problem now...I seem to have deleted the panel at the bottom that holds my pen programs...how do I undelete it?
[06:52] <frybye> I don,t know the details for the install.. did you look in the wiki or on forums...?
[06:54] <jussi01> !flash
[06:54] <nubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:55] <frybye> doug_: when you right click on the workspace there are some choices that will perhaps help??
[06:55] <frybye> to get the taskbar back I think...?
[06:55] <klu-less> i started with Kubuntu, then switched to MEPIS, then switched to Ubuntu (what I have now) ... I was thinking about switching back to Kubuntu ... does the new release include all of the plug-ins for the VLC app?
[06:56] <doug_> yes, I somehow removed my "taskbar"
[06:57] <frybye> doug_: you see what I suggested above.. rt click on the workspace and then...
[06:58] <frybye> hmmm.. but when I look there now that is other stuff not the taskbar...?
[06:58] <frybye> perhaps sbdy else can suggest how to get it back...?
[06:59] <Lanken> hey, uh, this is a weird question to have to ask, but ... is Kubuntu good now?
[06:59] <frybye> doug_: I guess the reason why not much response here now is the time-of-day in the usa..
[06:59] <frybye> Lanken I think it is fine.. not using it that long though...
[07:00] <frybye> and depends what you want to compare it too...?
[07:00] <Lanken> frybye: I compare it to other friendly, full-featured kde-based desktop distros
[07:00] <Lanken> Mandriva, Fedora, OpenSUSE
[07:00] <frybye> Lanken: long time since I used opensuse - cant say how they compare now..
[07:01] <klu-less> I've got a stupid question ... what's the diff between KDE & Gnome?
[07:01] <frybye> different gui
[07:02] <Lanken> klu-less: that's ignorant, not stupid.  In a nutshell, KDE is designed to be highly customizable, while GNOME tries to work well right out of the box, and restricts configuration so that the interface will be consistent across different machines.
[07:03] <Lanken> you'll probably find a killer feature in one or the other
[07:03] <frybye> Lanken: "ignorant" in the achedemic sence.. but I would avoid use of the word in this context or .. a person could be easily offended.. or?
[07:04] <sai> test
[07:04] <frybye> sai - test worked.. heheh
[07:04] <Lanken> frybye: I wasn't concerned about offending, because he'd called the question stupid first.
[07:05] <frybye> Lanken: people are allowed to "offend" themselves I guess.. heheh - never mind...
[07:05] <klu-less> is it easy to network a Kubuntu workstation with Windows Vista using SAMBA (via a local router)?
[07:06] <Lanken> klu-less: it's likely easier than the equivalent task in (G)Ubuntu
[07:06] <frybye> klu - a qualified linux engineer friend of mine did it here in about 12 minutes..
[07:06] <frybye> how easy it is for the -average mortal- I am not sure...
[07:06] <Lanken> klu-less: (because of kioslaves)
[07:07] <Lanken> klu-less: you can ask that question in #kde, too, since it's not distro-specific.
[07:07] <klu-less> just curious
[07:07] <klu-less> i'm just about ready to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <Lanken> don't!
[07:07] <Lanken> don't do that
[07:07] <klu-less> why not?
[07:07] <Lanken> I know they recommend it, but ...
[07:08] <klu-less> just use a CD install instead?
[07:08] <klu-less> what's the big diff?
[07:08] <Lanken> it pulls in all these qt-based and kde-based programs that you don't need if you just want to check out kde
[07:08] <sai> your system will be more beautiful and clean
[07:08] <Lanken> if you're ready to wipe the install, go ahead, but cleaning up after apt-get install kubuntu-desktop is a real bitch
[07:09] <klu-less> hmmm...
[07:09] <Lanken> go with a smaller metapackage
[07:09] <klu-less> well, if it keeps my partitions, then I'm okay
[07:09] <Lanken> apt-get is fine for installing kde, just don't do the whole kubuntu-desktop
[07:09] <klu-less> oh
[07:10] <Lanken> you'll get tons of duplicated functionality. it might even try to install koffice, which you really don't need.
[07:11] <klu-less> so, if i perform a fresh Kubuntu install from a CD, then it should wipe it all clean, right?
[07:11] <klu-less> i just need to keep the partition that has my personal data on it
[07:12] <Lanken> just do apt-get install kde-core
[07:12] <Lanken> it's a smaller metapackage, doesn't have a lot of the other crap.
[07:12] <jussi01> klu-less: yes - but you can change that in the patitioning section
[07:12] <theFATMAN> i installed ubuntu 8.04, then installed kubuntu-desktop, how do i safely remove all of ubuntu including gdm, boot screens and login screens?
[07:12] <jussi01> be careful though
[07:12] <jussi01> !purekde | theFATMAN
[07:12] <nubotu> theFATMAN: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[07:12] <klu-less> fatman << that's where i'm about to go
[07:13] <klu-less> but lanken sez don't do it
[07:13] <theFATMAN> klu-less: hey my system even runs better using kde
[07:13] <theFATMAN> jussi01: thanks for the link, btw
[07:14] <theFATMAN> see you guys later
[07:14] <klu-less> so, let me get this straight ... all i have to do is install kde-core?
[07:14] <Lanken> theFATMAN: the present state of package-management software does not allow you to easily remove all the unnecessary stuff.
[07:14] <Lanken> klu-less: there may be some issues, but it will give you a feel for kde
[07:14] <theFATMAN> Lanken: can you clarify?
[07:14] <klu-less> what about FATMAN's question about cleaning up all of the Ubuntu gnome sh!t
[07:14] <Lanken> theFATMAN: your best bet is probably to back up /home and reinstall
[07:15] <theFATMAN> Lanken: because I have removed about 80% or so
[07:15] <Lanken> theFATMAN: look into "deborphan"
[07:15] <theFATMAN> Lanken: ya reckon?
[07:15] <jussi01> !ohmy | klu-less
[07:15] <nubotu> klu-less: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:15] <klu-less> gnome stuff
[07:15] <Lanken> it finds packages that have no dependencies
[07:15] <theFATMAN> Lanken: GUI or CLI?
[07:16] <Lanken> CLI
[07:16] <theFATMAN> Lanken: neva mind mate, i'll check ya out in a tick
[07:16] <Lanken> there's probably a GUI interface for it.
[07:16] <Lanken> theFATMAN: the other option is just to leave the cruft
[07:17] <theFATMAN> Lanken: how much would it be, aye?
[07:17] <Lanken> you'll probably start with a fresh install within a few months anyway, and if you're not that tight for disk space, leaving it as is would be the path of least resistance.
[07:17] <Lanken> in adept, can you sort the installed packages by size?  You could get a good idea of how much space you're wasting that way.
[07:17] <Lanken> certainly no more than a GB or two
[07:18] <Lanken> that's like, way inflated so that I can be sure of being right.
[07:18] <theFATMAN> Lanken: i have spACE enough, mate, i'm worried about instability
[07:27] <calcmandan> as of this evening, I can't play dvd's on my machine.  it was working just fine and now no.  I was watching a dvd earlier today.  says it's encrypted like i just installed fresh
[07:31] <jussi01> calcmandan: did you do any upgrades?
[07:31] <calcmandan> jussi01: i ran the last update that kubuntu pushed the other day.
[07:32] <jussi01> calcmandan: did you check it didnt remove anything?
[07:32] <calcmandan> all of the sudden i can't watch dvd's.  i watched one just a few hours ago.
[07:32] <calcmandan> i just reinstalled libdvdcss2.
[07:32] <jussi01> calcmandan: have you tried other dvd's?
[07:32] <calcmandan> yes, two so far.
[07:33] <jussi01> ones that worked before?
[07:33] <calcmandan> no. i should.
[07:33] <kuroryuu> calcmandan: sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:33] <jussi01> yeah - there are spome weird encrypted dvd's out there
[07:33] <jussi01> oh, yeah, and that ^
[07:34] <calcmandan> kuroryuu: i did that already. it doesn't come up as a valid site.
[07:34] <calcmandan> now it does
[07:34] <calcmandan> downgrading?
[07:34] <frybye> hmmm .. I must try that - have not yet fed this new kubutu pc with a dvd-film.. can vlc normally do it...?
[07:35] <calcmandan> well, kaffeine can now play.
[07:35] <kuroryuu> usually, vlc has all it's codecs built in
[07:35] <jussi01> frybye: yeah, vlc does dvd's
[07:35] <jussi01> !dvd
[07:35] <nubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:35] <calcmandan> kaffeine...
[07:35] <calcmandan> it works now.
[07:35] <calcmandan> what the fuck man?
[07:35] <jussi01> !ohmy | calcmandan:
[07:35] <nubotu> calcmandan:: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:37] <calcmandan> sorry.
[07:39] <theFATMAN> ok, i have two kernels now after the update, how do i remove the old one?
[07:41] <kuroryuu> theFATMAN: sudo apt-get remove linux-<image-version>-generic
[07:41] <sdollins> Hiya
[07:41] <kuroryuu> *linux-image-<version>-generic
[07:42] <sdollins> So, I take it every one here has kubuntu?
[07:42] <theFATMAN> kuroryuu: thank you!!!!
[07:43] <kuroryuu> theFATMAN: no problem
[07:45] <Ayabara> why is there different keys for changing tabs in "all" kde apps. konsole, konversation and others do it differently. is there an easy way to change all of them to shift+arrows?
[07:47] <darrick> hello
[07:47] <darrick> i need help seriously bad
[07:48] <jussi01> !ask | darrick
[07:48] <darrick> please help
[07:48] <nubotu> darrick: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[07:49] <darrick> !ask how can i revert back to just vista (remove kubuntu and grub)
[07:49] <nubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[07:49]  * karthikp faints
[07:50] <darrick> i just wanna get this back to how this was...
[07:50] <jussi01> darrick: please join ##windows for that
[07:50] <Dr_willis> darrick,  and removing of linux is documented all over the web.
[07:50] <karthikp> You should be able to reinstall from the vista disk. That'll clean out your hard disk and start you up with a fresh system.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> delete the linux partitions, run the proper command from windows rescue cd to reinstall the boot loader. "fdisk /mbr' or 'fixmbr ' or 'fixboot'
[07:52] <karthikp> But, perhaps we can help/convince you to stay in penguinland?
[07:52] <flaccid_> back to vista, dang!
[07:53] <flaccid_> vista support in ##windows please
[07:53] <Dr_willis> karthikp,  ive found its not worth the hassle.  This is Linux - Freedom rules.. people can do what they want.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> Weird networking issue here. I just hooked 2 pc's up to a linksys switch,  now both machines are getting very slow networking speeds, and often cutting out at times. lagg in games. and so forth. Its ttill happening even after i unplug one of the machines fron the network
[07:53] <karthikp> Fair enough.
[07:55] <kuroryuu> Dr_willis: sounds like your switch is a hub, lol
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Now lets see if im still lagged..  Could a flakey switch/hub cause such issues?
[07:55] <kuroryuu> Dr_willis: a hub will cause issues if using full duplex
[07:56] <Guest58109> I have two broadcom wifi drivers loaded but now what
[07:56] <Dr_willis> heck.. the swich isent even plugged IN now..  and i still am having issues
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Looking like the isp is having some issues
[07:57] <Guest58109> ubuntu and wireless?
[07:57] <Guest58109> acer laptop
[07:58] <Dr_willis> Depends on what chipset - the  b43-fwcutter tool is needed/used by many of them
[07:58] <Dr_willis> !broadcom
[07:58] <nubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[07:58] <flaccid_> well LAN != WAN so not sure the problem. likely hardware if the config is correct. test ping speeds for a start
[07:58] <Dr_willis> im not sure how up to date.
[07:58] <Dr_willis> flaccid_,  it seems to be working fine now... weirdness.. perhaps it was a local conjestion issue
[07:59] <flaccid_> well its a hub not switch so collision domains are minimal if any. anyway all good unless it starts misperforming again hehe
[07:59] <Dr_willis> only 2 pcs anyway on the thing.. lets plug the switch back in. - it says its a switch at least. :)
[08:00] <Ayabara> can the step size in kmixer be adjusted somewhere?
[08:00] <flaccid> check cables. it might have a problem with auto mdx if the cables are crossover..
[08:01] <frybye> jussi01: dvd paying fine - thanks for the tips...
[08:01] <frybye> e e eplaying...
[08:03] <holycow> *whistles and waits for 4.1 beta to appear in backports
[08:03] <Dr_willis_> somthing seems flakey with this switch..  time to track down another.
[08:04] <darrick> who is willin to help me
[08:04] <flaccid> holycow: that will be months if at all
[08:04] <kuroryuu> darrik: try asking in ##windows
[08:04] <frybye> darrik - just tell us your problem.. if anybdy can help they will come back to you here..
[08:05] <flaccid> if nobody was willing then this channel would be pointless :)
[08:05] <frybye> kuroryuu: had he already said what he was after...?
[08:06] <kuroryuu> frybye: yeah, something about uninstalling linux and expanding vista's partition
[08:06] <frybye> flaccid: sorta figures i guess.. heheh
[08:07] <frybye> well - hmmm.. i dont wanna get into a fight but "uninstalling linux" might be a legitimate question for a linux group even if folks are not happy about it somehow...
[08:07] <flaccid> its like walking into a car shop and asking, who will sell me a car!?
[08:07] <kuroryuu> yes, but he just needs to delete the partition really, and use windows tools to rewrite the boot sector
[08:07] <flaccid> in this case, if you are restoring an OS, you simply overrwrite linux with that OS's installer. pretty basic...
[08:07] <frybye> or into a gm car shop and saying - who wants to by my gm car - i am going elsewhere then to by non-gm... heheh
[08:07] <flaccid> kuroryuu: the windows installer should look after the new mbr.
[08:08] <kuroryuu> flaccid: unless he didn't have a backup of his data, lol
[08:08] <flaccid> so you install windows, which includes overwriting the mbr. this is why you install linux after you install windows if dual booting
[08:08] <frybye> kuroryuu: sure but I guess it is legit to tell him that here.. heheh
[08:08] <kuroryuu> he was told both earlier
[08:08] <flaccid> well backup of data is something done before major changes like this :)
[08:08] <holycow> what was his problem?
[08:09] <frybye> kuroryuu: sorry I missed all that...
[08:09] <Ayabara> is it possible to join multiple wmv files?
[08:09] <flaccid> Ayabara: probably, but not sure what to do it with especially considering its a windows format
[08:09] <darrick> i want 2 get rid of kubuntu and keep my vista
[08:09] <darrick> i tried formating my partition but grub gets error 22
[08:09] <darrick> and freezes
[08:09] <holycow> darrick: hi
[08:09] <darrick> hi
[08:09] <frybye> I sorta assumed it was one of the cases where a person with a win/linux problem was sent -automatically- to win when they wills end him here perhaps heheh
[08:09] <flaccid> what is the name of that program on linux that is pretty good for video editing. i forgot its name
[08:09] <holycow> umm ... well we cannot help with vista
[08:10] <holycow> that is really a windows problem
[08:10] <darrick> i got disconnected for a bit
[08:10] <kuroryuu> darrik: ask in ##windows how to rewrite the mbr
[08:10] <holycow> just install from scratch
[08:10] <flaccid> darrick: boot windows cd and run these two commands fixboot and fixmbr. it will restore windows mbr
[08:10] <frybye> holycow: like I say - i dont wanna fight about this.. hehe
[08:10] <flaccid> darrick: and that is it.
[08:10] <holycow> frybye: ineedy :)
[08:10] <darrick> i cant ask in that channel, with the keyboard driver i have in kubuntu i cant write slashes
[08:10] <darrick> just é and É
[08:10] <holycow> darrick: so what happened?
[08:11] <flaccid> grub error 22 means no such partition for the entry
[08:12] <holycow> and what do slashes haveto do with joining ##windows?
[08:12] <flaccid> darrick: if you follow my simple directions it will be fixed.
[08:12] <holycow> do what flaccid said
[08:12] <darrick> cant go slah join channel or slash list
[08:12] <holycow> its' correct
[08:13] <darrick> i dont got a windows cd, none came with laptop
[08:13] <hell|shock> hi, now anybody who i can get a deb package of hydra-gtk for ubuntu 8.04?
[08:13] <holycow> well then
[08:14] <holycow> time to complain to ms i guess
[08:14] <holycow> or your manufacturer
[08:14] <jussi01> hell|shock: packages.ubuntu.com
[08:14] <kuroryuu> darrik: call the manufacturer's tech support line
[08:14] <holycow> fortunately this isn't something we ever worry about
[08:14] <darrick> ahh skrew it
[08:15] <flaccid> darrick: then you will have to keep grub and reconfigure it correctly. or contact your vendor for a cd.
[08:15] <holycow> can we try to fixkubuntu for you?
[08:15] <flaccid> hell|shock: there isn't one in the normal repos
[08:15] <flaccid> darrick: i mean i can help you with grub if you want..
[08:15] <kuroryuu> darrik: and your keyboard issue
[08:16] <flaccid> hell|shock: if you search for hydra_5.3-src-1_i386.deb on google you should be able to find the pkg and its deps
[08:17] <flaccid> hell|shock: let me know if you find some dictionaries :)
[08:18] <kuroryuu> darrik: as for your keyboard, it sounds like you have it set up as a canadian layout, try shift + 3 or the backtick key to type a slash
[08:20] <frybye> kuroryuu: eh - he could edit xserv.conf for the kbd setting to us or...?
[08:20] <frybye> if i remember rightly.. had sim. prob. here a couple of days ago..
[08:20] <holycow> man
[08:21] <holycow> i'm doing really really well
[08:21] <holycow> i haven't abused darrick at all for insisting on vista
[08:21] <holycow> or not taking the offer of help to fix his issues
[08:21] <holycow> or his lack of interest at all at the basics
[08:21] <holycow> :)
[08:21] <holycow> yey me
[08:21] <kuroryuu> frybye: maybe, there are a couple different places where it's set
[08:22] <frybye> right.. that was just the last place I changed here to get from us to de
[08:22] <frybye> kuroryuu: my knowedge of linix is v. limited I dont deny it...
[08:23] <frybye> compared to some - i am interested to learn though... heheh
[08:23] <Ayabara> how do I get previews of movies in dolphin? even if I choose preview mode, I only see icons
[08:23] <kuroryuu> frybye: that's always a good thing :)
[08:23] <holycow> Ayabara: you wait for 4.1 beta
[08:24] <Ayabara> holycow: and I'm doing that already, so it takes little extra effort :)
[08:25] <holycow> hehe :)
[08:25] <frybye> what would folks suggest for a torrent client on 8.04??
[08:25] <holycow> i know what you mean
[08:25] <darrick> do you need port forwarding for torrents on kubuntu
[08:25] <frybye> is there a linux-version of ü-torrent??
[08:26] <frybye> I have done that also for the win pc on the same router - perhaps it is ok as it is...
[08:26] <epimeth> ktorrent
[08:26] <epimeth> in fact, it might be already installed
[08:27] <epimeth> wait... do you mean a linux version of utorrent, or a bittorrent client for linux?
[08:27] <holycow> darrick: nope
[08:27] <frybye> wow - heheh i just put fresh re-chargeables in this wireless keyboard and now it works 200% better.. mann am i dumb not to have done before.. eheh
[08:27] <asobiCrash> how can i read a binary file?
[08:27] <holycow> maybe on your router
[08:27] <frybye> epimeth: either way..
[08:27] <flaccid> you need port forwarding via upnp or port triggering or normal port forward. a lot of routers will do it auto with upnp and/or port triggering
[08:27] <darrick> bit torrent for linux
[08:27] <flaccid> asobiCrash: you don't read binary files, you run them
[08:27] <frybye> for win I have been happy with utorrent and if is available for linux that would be fine or..?
[08:28] <asobiCrash> somehow kate thinks a txt file is binary
[08:28] <epimeth> although, for port triggering you still need to go into the settings.  I just forward the ports
[08:28] <kuroryuu> frybye: ktorrents very nice, not quite as nice as utorrent, but there's no linux version, yet
[08:28] <flaccid> utorrent is windows only iirc
[08:28] <frybye> kuroryuu: ok thanks..
[08:28] <Ayabara> flaccid: joining with mencoder works great. joining and converting to avi :)
[08:28] <epimeth> so ktorrent is my linux client of choice
[08:29] <epimeth> there are plenty of others
[08:29] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  it works in wine. :)  they aparently even test it with wine. or so their web site says.
[08:29] <epimeth> I thing rtorrent is a good one for the cli if you want that
[08:29] <kuroryuu> asobiCrash: learn to read hex? lol
[08:29] <epimeth> old school :-)
[08:29] <flaccid> Ayabara: iirc there is like a gui/ide thats getting some respect now
[08:29] <Dr_willis> ive had issues with ktorrent in the past. :( its has gotten beter.
[08:29] <frybye> i c now - ktorren is installed..  not had this installed long - just exploring and experimenting...
[08:29] <flaccid> Dr_willis: oh still windows version :)
[08:29] <frybye> now I will have to go and find some content.. heheh
[08:29] <epimeth> frybye: its how we all started :-)
[08:29] <holycow> lol
[08:29] <holycow> what are you guys talking about?
[08:29] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  yep. But its tested to be sure it works in wine at least. :)
[08:29] <holycow> i've NEVER had to port forward anything for torrents
[08:30] <epimeth> holycow: dirty dirty mind
[08:30] <frybye> with k-torrent is thier any protection from tracers???
[08:30] <holycow> you guys must be running trackers?
[08:30] <epimeth> frybye: tracers?
[08:30] <Dr_willis> holycow,  depends on your network, and the routers you are using.
[08:30] <flaccid> Dr_willis: true. not something i'd rely on in a compat layer
[08:30] <holycow> infact most router firmware, infact all firmware will just let it through
[08:30] <frybye> that the industry uses to identify file sharers...?
[08:30] <holycow> at least the consumer level ones
[08:30] <flaccid> holycow: thats for the reasons i explained :)
[08:30] <epimeth> holycow: actually, a lot of clients check if you are being "polite" and will limit you if you aren't
[08:30] <holycow> flaccid: oh nm, good point :)
[08:30] <holycow> epimeth: really?
[08:30] <holycow> oh i didn't know that
[08:30] <epimeth> holycow: part of the reason my download rate *sucked* in israel
[08:30] <kuroryuu> frybye: it supports encryption
[08:31] <flaccid> it lets it through with nat after a forward :)
[08:31] <holycow> epimeth: what constitutes politenes?
[08:31] <holycow> for torrents i mean of course
[08:31] <kuroryuu> holycow: not leeching, good ratio
[08:31] <Dr_willis> allowing incomming connectns and so forth.
[08:31] <frybye> how does one use that then.. i mean for instance i find some cool -not too kosher- content on pirate-bay and start the torrent with k-torrent.. ?
[08:31] <holycow> ah
[08:31] <holycow> right, makes sense
[08:32] <frybye> can i just switch on the encryp. in settings and it does the rest...?
[08:32] <kuroryuu> frybye: it's in the settings, a checkbox
[08:32] <Dr_willis> frybye,  encryption is a good idea. :) yes.
[08:32] <epimeth> holycow: how many torrents you have seeded, for how long, and if you are 'invisible' or not (ie, forwarding your ports)
[08:32] <kuroryuu> frybye: yup
[08:32] <frybye> and that will work with most torrent sources etc or...?
[08:32] <kuroryuu> frybye: but it won't encrypt all transfers, just those that support it
[08:32] <frybye> does it tell you if encry. or not??
[08:33] <Dr_willis> frybye,  the clients have settings to allow encrypted, or not allow, or allow ONLY encrypted connections..
[08:33] <kuroryuu> frybye: yes, once you start downloading from people, if you look at the peer list it'll tell you who you're transfering to an from with encryption
[08:33] <frybye> i c - ok I go and give it a run...
[08:33] <epimeth> frybye: good luck :-)
[08:33] <frybye> bye now...
[08:34] <Dr_willis> torrents were the fastest way tog et the latest ubuntu release isos :) the day they got released
[08:34] <Dr_willis> i got some amazing speeds
[08:34] <frybye> have fun here - <continue to- > be nicht to each other heheh
[08:34] <holycow> i like ktorrent a lot
[08:35] <epimeth> I'm a fan as well :-)
[08:39]  * Ayabara changed from rtorrent to ktorrent yesterday, and in all that time he hasn't looked back
[08:40] <epimeth> lol
[08:40] <epimeth> yea, but my server doesn't have xorg installed :-)
[08:45] <dga_> how do i start compiz in kubuntu?
[08:45] <flaccid> !compiz-fusion | dga_
[08:45] <nubotu> dga_: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[08:45] <flaccid> dga_: compiz --replace &
[08:45] <kuroryuu> dga_: alt + F2, compiz --replace
[08:46] <holycow> dga_: you will basically want to wait for kde4
[08:46] <flaccid> not necessarily
[08:47] <holycow> kde4 has done it properly and integrated accellerated effects into the window manager
[08:47] <holycow> flaccid: is right
[08:47] <holycow> i'm only lightly making a suggestion :)
[08:47] <kuroryuu> holycow: no problems with compiz here :P lol
[08:48] <holycow> biggest issue is the dissapearing windows borders
[08:48] <holycow> i see that alot
[08:48] <kuroryuu> holycow: I don't have that problem
[08:48] <holycow> but i've run it on lots and lots of different  hardware
[08:48] <holycow> sure *nod* on one box it'll work on the next not 100% certain unfortunately
[08:49] <kuroryuu> I've been slowly switching to kde4 versions of software though, konsole-kde4 has true transparency for one thing :)
[08:49] <holycow> yeah the built in stuff is starting to work great
[08:49] <holycow> i was surprised when i tried to turn on some effects yesterday
[08:50] <kuroryuu> can't get kde4 itself working though, but the software runs great in 3.5
[08:50] <holycow> as of today its sorta borked yes, i'm told 4.1 beta is on its way to the repos
[08:50] <holycow> can't wait
[08:50] <kuroryuu> my big switch will be when amarok 2 comes out, hehe
[08:51] <kuroryuu> the nightly builds look awesome, but nowhere near stable
[08:51] <tzd> i need help with finding a thing on kubuntu please. I'm looking for the equivalent versiobn of ubuntus : "System" -> "Administration" -> "Login Window". In the "General" tab, press "Edit Commands..."
[08:52] <holycow> kuroryuu: amarok has me sold too
[08:52] <holycow> even non k4 one
[08:52] <jussi01> tzd: system settings - advanced - login manager IIRC
[08:53] <arogarth> hello @all
[08:53] <kuroryuu> hello arogarth
[08:53] <arogarth> i have a problem with kmediafactory - DVD Authoring on hardy
[08:53] <epimeth> ahoy matey!
[08:53] <arogarth> if i create a project and burn it, the backgound and previews are all black
[08:53] <arogarth> why?
[08:54] <tzd> jussi01: thanks. That's where i was first but i couldn't (still can't) find the "edit commands" button?
[08:56] <kuroryuu> tzd: what commands are you trying to edit exactly?
[08:56] <theFATMAN> what is a good screen capture ie, video app for kubuntu?
[08:56] <jussi01> !screencast
[08:56] <nubotu> Some programs to capture your screen are recordmydesktop, Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder.  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts.
[08:56] <jussi01> !bum | tzd
[08:56] <nubotu> tzd: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[08:57] <tzd> kuroryuu: I'm trying to do as user "Greg T." suggested in this forum: http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=147a7b035316b88e9b54777cd374b017&t=772733&page=2
[08:57] <theFATMAN> jussi01: whats up, dude, hey, do any of those output xvid/mpeg4/avi? or is it all ogg?
[08:58] <tzd> jussi01: thanks again, will try out that bum package
[08:58] <jussi01> theFATMAN: not sure - but converting ogg is not really that hard
[08:59] <Azzmodan> how do I tell kde to make firefox my default browser?
[08:59] <theFATMAN> jussi01: i cant seem to find an app to do so
[08:59] <jussi01> mencoder should do it, vlc, avidemux just to name a few
[08:59] <tzd> Azzmodan: in system settings, default programs
[09:00] <theFATMAN> jussi01: vlc? i didnt know that
[09:00] <theFATMAN> peace
[09:00] <jussi01> theFATMAN: yeah, vlc can trans code
[09:00] <Azzmodan> Oh I just looked over that a couple times and missed it, thanks tzd
[09:00] <tzd> Azzmodan: I've missed that myself a few times hehe ;)
[09:01] <kuroryuu> tzd: unless it's in system settings > advanced > login manager, I'm not sure kde has anything similar
[09:02] <tzd> kuroryuu: i don't think kde has... was told to try out the package bum which could help me
[09:03] <kuroryuu> tzd: that looks like what you want
[09:05] <tzd> kuroryuu: I'm using bum now but it seems like all i can do is ticking which packages should be loaded etc. No 'real' modify options
[09:06] <jussi01> tzd: are you just looking to get something to autostart on boot?
[09:06] <tony403> anyone use VLC to watch tv? I'm tired of fooling with Mythtv and it's love for database errors
[09:06] <jussi01> !autostart | tzd
[09:06] <nubotu> tzd: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory. For a complete guide, see http://jucato.org/kde/kde-autostart.html
[09:06] <jussi01> tony403: Ive been using tvtime
[09:07] <jussi01> work well
[09:07] <tzd> jussi01: no i get a lot of weird error messages regarding nm_dbus_init() on reboot and shutdown... Although I'm loooking into a thread right now that might have the solution
[09:07] <tony403> jussi01, have a PVR150, isn't supported by tvtime
[09:07] <jussi01> tzd: ahh
[09:07] <jussi01> tony403: ahhh... maybe have a go with kaffeine - Ive heard that is good
[09:08] <tony403> i just want tv, no channel info, no pvr, etc. anyone know a compatible app?
[09:08] <jussi01> !tv | tony403
[09:08] <nubotu> tony403: http://www.linuxtv.org/ has extensive information about using TV cards under Linux. Available viewers for analog cards: Zapping, tvtime (GTK/GNOME), kdetv (KDE), xawtv, motv. For digital cards: Klear (KDE), dvb-utils. For both analog and digital cards, !MythTV is a powerful framework. Your card may work the !IVTV drivers. See also !TV-Out
[09:08] <tony403> jussi01, thanks, good info
[09:09] <jussi01> :)
[09:09] <corinth> How do I change the kdm theme in kubuntu hardy?
[09:10] <jussi01> corinth: system settings - appearnce - kdm theme manager?
[09:10] <corinth> I dont' see it in there :-S
[09:11] <jussi01> corinth: hang on, you may have to install it
[09:11] <se7en> alt+f2 ... kcontrol corinth
[09:12] <jussi01> corinth: sudo aptitude install kdmtheme kde-kdm-themes
[09:12] <jussi01> corinth: then you will have it
[09:12] <tzd> jussi01: think i found a solution,although before trying it out i was hoping to understand what a certain parameter does. In the file /etc/init.d/halt I'm suppose to remove the '-i' parameter in the line: halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown . What exactly does the -i parameter please?
[09:12] <corinth> jussi01: Trying it, brb.
[09:13] <sterna> tzd: man halt
[09:13] <jussi01> tzd: unfortunately I have no idea - see sterna's instructions
[09:13] <tzd> sterna: aah, nice thanks!
[09:13] <corinth> jussi01: Thanks a lot, that worked. :-)
[09:13] <jussi01> corinth: :)
[09:13] <tzd> jussi01: yep, will do... sorry for asking before trying!
[09:14] <jussi01> tzd: dontbe sorry - it was a valid question :)
[09:14] <llutz> tzd: "man halt" look for "-i"
[09:14] <tzd> :)
[09:14] <llutz> linux-comment is most important on that option :)
[09:14] <tzd> llutz: yep, looking now, cheers! Also, thanks for yesterday with the fstab mounts via network issue... works like a charm :)
[09:15] <llutz> tzd: did it finally work? fine
[09:16] <tzd> llutz: yeah. It's one amazing experience having a network share :) Just wish I would have set one up earlier :)
[09:16] <corinth> Hmm, how do I reconfigure kdm again? I installed kubuntu through apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and I want to get to the screen where it asks you to select a default logon manager.
[09:17] <tzd> hmm, according to the man pages the parameter -i isn't really needed on linux systems... Why is it there on default then? Can't get my head around that
[09:17] <kuroryuu> corinth: sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm
[09:18] <corinth> kuroryuu: It says that --reconfigure is an unknown option for dpkg
[09:18] <jussi01> tzd: perhaps it is _really_ needed on some systems
[09:19] <tzd> jussi01: ah ok. I'll give it a try without it and hopefully i won't need it :) Thanks again!
[09:19] <kuroryuu> corinth: sorry, --configure
[09:20] <corinth> kuroryuu:
[09:20] <corinth> dpkg: error processing kdm (--configure):
[09:20] <corinth>  package kdm is already installed and configured
[09:20] <corinth> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:20] <llutz> corinth: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:20] <kuroryuu> corinth: apparently my memory is going, lol
[09:21] <Dr_willis> kuroryuu,  they always say its the 2nd thing to go..... i forget the first however.
[09:21] <kuroryuu> Dr_willis: lmao
[09:23] <tzd> I've always wondered which built in terminal text editor comes with kubuntu? I noticed vi works but for some reason it woul'd work as i was used to it.
[09:23] <kuroryuu> tzd: try :set nocp
[09:23] <flaccid> tzd: pico. or install joe :)
[09:23] <kuroryuu> tzd: or emacs :P
[09:24] <Dr_willis> tzd,  the default vi - is either vim-tiny  (in older releases) or vim with  compatibility mode enabled.. You may want to edit/tweak/make your own vimrc config to set it to nocompatability mode and enable extra vim featreus
[09:24] <llutz> emacs = nice like a swiss-knife, just lacks a good editor
[09:25] <tzd> ah nice, thanks for all suggestions! :) I've started to use the konsole a lot more now and now i understand why ppl choose that in front of the gui
[09:25] <kuroryuu> llutz: bah, it edits just fine, faster for me to use emacs than vim :P
[09:25] <flaccid> yakuake + joe does all i need to do and is easy to use
[09:26] <tzd> pico looks just like nano :)
[09:26] <llutz> ubuntu-like "nano" :)
[09:26] <flaccid> it pretty much is
[09:26] <tzd> ah i see
[09:26] <Dr_willis> For a default editor.. i think they could of picked somthing a little better then nano. :)
[09:26] <Dr_willis> !info mp
[09:26] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info mp, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <flaccid> vi is not easy
[09:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm - mp aint in the repos. :( i use it on puppylinux all the time
[09:27] <Dr_willis> vi is easy. :) its just people are trained for notepad.exe
[09:27] <Dr_willis> mp is very similer to the old dos editor
[09:27] <flaccid> Dr_willis: i disagree. they need simple shortcuts and an ncurses prompt..
[09:27] <Dr_willis> ive had to explain to many a total noobie at work what '^w' means
[09:27] <dxl> sup pll
[09:27] <dxl> i am new on here
[09:28] <Dr_willis> vi - Just learn it ! :)
[09:28] <dxl> is someone can help me ?
[09:28] <Dr_willis> mp has a nice  set of 'menus'
[09:28] <Dr_willis> dxl,  and the issue is?
[09:28] <dxl> i was wonder how can i install programs on kubuntu ?
[09:28] <flaccid> eg. ctrl + x is more suited to newbies than vi to save and exit
[09:28] <Dr_willis> http://www.monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/   dxl
[09:29] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  i wasent sayint replace nano with vi.. i am saying replace nano with mp wich is much easier.
[09:29] <dxl> thanx
[09:29] <tzd> yeah i found vi easy when using it for my router config but here in kubuntu it won't work with my navigation arrows... the pico alternative was really nice and easy thoug :)
[09:29] <Dr_willis> vi is fairly easy to learn.. its just takes some thinking. :)  is my other point.
[09:29] <dxl> u kno abt xlink kai programs
[09:29] <flaccid> Dr_willis:
[09:29] <dxl> u kno to play online on xbox
[09:29] <flaccid> no worries i will try that one out
[09:29] <Dr_willis> tzd,  thats the Nocompatibility/compatiabilty setting we were referimng to.
[09:30] <corinth> To get my wireless card to work, I have to run sudo modprobe ndiswrapper after each time I start my computer. Any way around this?
[09:30] <Dr_willis> tzd,  the default is to be as identical to vi as possible. thus those keys dont work.
[09:30] <flaccid> yeah newbies dont wanna think :o
[09:30] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  people dont want to think... :)
[09:30] <flaccid> !ndiswrapper | corinth
[09:30] <nubotu> corinth: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:30] <tzd> Dr_willis: ok. i tried the: set nocp option that kuroryuu told me but that didn't work i think
[09:30] <Dr_willis> windows has trained them to be that way
[09:30] <flaccid> Dr_willis: you got that right
[09:30] <Dr_willis> tzd,  i would bet you dident set it right.
[09:30] <flaccid> yeah that too..
[09:30] <Dr_willis> tzd,  i set it in my default vimrc configs.  so its that way for everyone
[09:30] <tzd> Dr_willis: i would bet that too :)
[09:32] <Dr_willis> i really need to reinstall ubuntu onthis box.. for some odd reason. its way way way sluggish  :( not sure what the deal is..its been a beta install upgraded over and over and over.. heh.
[09:32] <flaccid> corinth: do kdesudo kate /etc/modules then add ndiswrapper on a new line
[09:32] <kuroryuu> tzd: echo 'set nocompatible' >> ~/.vimrc
[09:32] <kuroryuu> then run vi, should work
[09:33] <dxl> which ubuntu can open zip ? "tar.gz,rpm,yum" ?
[09:33] <tzd> kuroryuu: thanks, that did the trick :)
[09:33] <kuroryuu> dxl: sudo apt-get install unzip
[09:33] <kuroryuu> tzd: no problem :)
[09:34] <flaccid> dxl: any
[09:34] <dxl> really ?
[09:34] <flaccid> yes
[09:34] <dxl> wat different ?
[09:34] <flaccid> they share same repos as well
[09:34] <jussi01> yum?
[09:34] <jussi01> !yum
[09:34] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yum, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <corinth> flaccid: Thanks!
[09:34] <flaccid> yum is not a file format dxl
[09:34] <flaccid> !alien | dxl
[09:34] <nubotu> dxl: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[09:35] <tzd> got one more question... in bum i can see a few things taht starts up every time.. There's two packages related to laptops: apmd & laptopmode... since I'm on a desktop I should be able to untick them and not have them autostart right?
[09:35] <Dr_willis> yum is a front end to the rpm system i belive
[09:35] <dxl> why it is dangerous ?
[09:35] <kuroryuu> tzd: yes, just powersaving features
[09:35] <flaccid> dxl: its not native to the userland of ubuntu as its a debian system
[09:35] <tzd> kuroryuu: cool :)
[09:35] <Dr_willis> dxl,  becuse  you dont want to  mixx rpm's and deb's :) -- sort of like using 'metric' and 'standard' bolts on the same car.
[09:36] <flaccid> plus other reasons. alien can be handy but for more portable packages
[09:36] <dxl> so i just download tar.gz
[09:36] <dxl> and how can i open it ?
[09:36] <flaccid> dxl: ark
[09:36] <flaccid> dxl: it always comes down to want you want to install, which is?
[09:36] <dxl> flashplayer
[09:36] <dxl> u kno
[09:36] <dxl> it require to have before you go any webpage
[09:36] <flaccid> !flash | dxl
[09:36] <nubotu> dxl: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:37] <Dr_willis> Flash player is in the repos.. you dont need to mess with the tar.gz from  the flash homepage
[09:37] <flaccid> dxl: apt is fine for that. adept is the gui frontend in this case which is what kubuntu is shipped with
[09:37] <dxl> thanx
[09:37] <dxl> look like alot people have ubuntu here
[09:38] <flaccid> its usually #1 on distro watch
[09:38] <dxl> ohh
[09:39] <dxl> u kno adept updater
[09:40] <dxl> so i have to update all of them ?
[09:40] <jussi01> you dant have to update anything, but its a good idea usually
[09:40] <hyper__ch> hi, I just wonder why my screensaver/locking screen isn't working anymore... it worked for a long time and now the last two days it didn't anymore
[09:42] <dxl> i am almost done with download
[09:42] <dxl> all update
[09:42] <dxl> not bad for 25 mbps ;-)
[09:52] <theFATMAN> how do i enable my headphones?!? worked fine in ubuntu, but i cant get it going in kubuntu, whats up?
[09:52] <theFATMAN> !headphones
[09:52] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about headphones, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[09:52] <theFATMAN> !audio
[09:53] <nubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:09] <shaws4> Hi all does any one know how to get tracker search working with kickoff in kde3
[10:12] <theFATMAN> my window manager just crashed, how do i reload it?
[10:12] <Dr_willis> which window manager was it?
[10:12] <theFATMAN> *without rebooting
[10:12] <Dr_willis> alt-f2  -> type its name
[10:12] <Dr_willis> kwin --replace  , or similer name.
[10:12] <theFATMAN> Dr_willis:kde i believe?
[10:13] <Dr_willis> unless you mean kde4. then i have no idea :)
[10:13] <theFATMAN> Dr_willis:kde 3
[10:14] <theFATMAN> ?
[10:14] <Dr_willis> kwin --replace
[10:15] <theFATMAN> Dr_willis: alt+F2 isn't doing anything bro
[10:15] <theFATMAN> oh
[10:15] <Dr_willis> if you cant get to a shell to do anything.. well  time to restart X. You dont have to reboot. :)
[10:15] <theFATMAN> Dr_willis: where do I input kwin --replace?
[10:15] <Dr_willis> or try to run it from the console
[10:16] <Dr_willis> alt-f2 = the RUN PROGRAM dialog shortcut
[10:16] <Letze> hi all.
[10:16] <theFATMAN> ok i can goto run......
[10:16] <Letze> Littele help for my work here!
[10:16] <Dr_willis> if it dontpop up a window - or dosent work.. well it may be time to restart X
[10:16] <theFATMAN> how?
[10:16] <Dr_willis> Letze,  oh?
[10:16] <Letze> I have to wrte an article about kde4.1
[10:16] <kuroryuu> theFATMAN: ctrl-alt-F1 will take you to a console, login, then do sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:17] <Dr_willis> theFATMAN,  does alt-f2 work? You just said it did.... if so enter 'kwin --replace' and  hit return
[10:17] <Dr_willis> kuroryuu,  that will force X to reset also. :)
[10:17] <theFATMAN> kuroryuu: thanks
[10:17] <Letze> i would to know when approx will be the kubuntu-kde4.1 packages available in the repository
[10:17] <Dr_willis> even quicker way - alt-ctrl-backspace --> restarts X right then and there. and should get you back to KDM login
[10:18] <tzd> anyone ever used synchronize folders in Krusader and can tell me which one is the target folder and which is the source folder please?
[10:18] <Dr_willis> !kde4
[10:18] <nubotu> KDE 4.0.3 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.3.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[10:18] <Letze> oh, Dr_willis...i intended the 4.1beta...
[10:19] <Dr_willis> best to check liek the factoid said -->  Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[10:20] <Dr_willis> best way to test the latest kde 4's seems to be to use one of the various live cds  out there that include it.
[10:21] <Letze> thankyou Dr_eillis
[10:21] <Letze> Dr_willis
[10:22] <Dr_willis> http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/ has a suse based kde 4.1 live cd. :) lets see how well it runs in  virtualbox.
[10:23] <Letze> i've proved it, but i preferred kubuntu distribution...the article is on it
[10:23] <shaws4> is anyone still using kde3??
[10:23]  * kuroryuu raises hand
[10:24] <Dr_willis> shaws4,  most of us are i imagine
[10:24] <kuroryuu> but with some kde4 software
[10:24] <Letze> bye all a nd thanks
[10:24] <Dr_willis> kde4 is very much lacking in many ways still
[10:24] <shaws4> if so can anyone point me in the direction of using tracker with kickoff
[10:25] <Dr_willis> no idea on tracker or kickoff..
[10:25] <shaws4> Dr_willis  thats what i thought but everyones talking kde4
[10:27] <Dr_willis> shaws4,  hype and glory. and dozens of people in here a day wondering why they cant do basic things in kde4.... :)
[10:27] <Dr_willis> so we send them to   #kubuntu-kde4
[10:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:27] <flaccid> i use both
[10:30] <shaws4> looks good for when they complete it. :-) let hope sooner rather than later.
[10:31] <flaccid> shaws4, intrepid will be more stable with 4.1 then it gets better again from there in 4.2
[10:31] <flaccid> just remember a desktop environment is not an operating system and its sweet
[10:32] <shaws4> Yeah but i'm a newbie so cli is not for me and i'm constantly finding ew ways to do things the gui way
[10:33] <flaccid> you don't need to go to cli if you use kde4
[10:33] <flaccid> kde3 apps run
[10:33] <shaws4> so for ME any ways the desktop REPRESENTS 80% of the OS
[10:34] <flaccid> shaws4 well this is a desktop OS. so what does kde4 not have that you need?
[10:35] <flaccid> when you can run kde3 apps on it no problem
[10:36] <shaws4> kde 4 by itself doesn't have everything yet. So thats fine I'll wait till it does and go with it then.
[10:37] <flaccid> shaws4, yes totally agree there. just wondering for you what it is specifically thats missing?
[10:37] <flaccid> we have only spoken in very general terms :)
[10:37] <shaws4> but mixing kde3 & 4 together doesn't do justice to the ideology and bueaty of kde4
[10:38] <flaccid> shaws4, in what way exactly?
[10:38] <flaccid> the difference in ui widget appearance can be very marginal. it thats far from saying kde4 doesn't have everything..
[10:39] <Dr_willis> canyou move widgets on the panel finally? :)
[10:41] <shaws4> I didn't upgrade to 4.1 so ican't say my views are upto the minute but from a fresh install on the kuuntu 8.04 it seamed to rely a ot on kde3
[10:41] <vinboy> hi
[10:41] <vinboy> whats the best gmail notifier?
[10:42] <Dr_willis> depends on your needs i guess. :)
[10:42] <Dr_willis> !find gmail
[10:42] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find gmail, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <Dr_willis> Hmm. there used to beone in the repos.
[10:42] <shaws4> sorry I seemed to rely alot on kde3  :-)
[10:42] <vinboy> well.. what is popular?
[10:44] <flaccid> shaws4, seamed to? so you don't know basically
[10:44] <kuroryuu> vinboy: apt-cache search gmail |grep notif
[10:44] <vinboy> thanks
[10:44] <kuroryuu> vinboy: pick one and try it out
[10:49] <shaws4> flaccid, i didn't do an indepth critique. I installed tried to set up the desktop how i wanted visually it crashed a few times. couldn't alter the clock fonts to MY liking. couldn't see some options that i can't remember, then uninstalled it so it didn't clutter my start menu. end of story.
[10:50] <flaccid> shaws4, no worries. thanks thats exactly what i wanted feedback wise. so stability and some crucial features, sweet..
[10:50] <shaws4> All the programs woked as they should. and i was impressed by the look. Plasmsa was the only thing to crash. but thats not really news.
[10:51] <flaccid> yeah cpu useage with plasmoids is a worry in that as well
[10:51] <frybye> Hi - I have just installed latest jre but when trying to install azureus it says i need to install jre.. does one have to activate or start the jre after installing?
[10:51] <flaccid> frybye, which java package you install?
[10:52] <shaws4> flaccid, like i said it should be awesome when it's finished. Soon i hope.
[10:52] <frybye> j2re-1_4_2_17-linux-i586.bin
[10:52] <flaccid> shaws4, well it is in production. but yes complete might be a better desc
[10:53] <kuroryuu> frybye: sudo update-java-alternatives -l will list what jres you have
[10:53] <kuroryuu> frybye: sudo update-java-alternatives -s <java-version> will set your default jre to one of the listed ones
[10:54] <kuroryuu> frybye: not sure if that will help or not
[10:54] <shaws4> Fully featured perhaps :-)
[10:55] <flaccid> yaaa
[10:57] <frybye> kuroryuu: sudo update-java-alternatives -l =  command not found  ??
[10:57] <llutz> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:58] <kuroryuu> llutz: beat me to it :P
[10:59] <frybye> = no alternatives for java??
[10:59] <frybye> eh - i dont think i have installed it at all - just unpacked or..?
[10:59] <frybye> there is a folder for the java though..
[11:01] <llutz> frybye: do you need java4? sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre     (or java6)
[11:02] <frybye> not sure.. eh should i go for the 6??
[11:03] <llutz> frybye: azureus has java6-jre in dependencies, so it already should be installed
[11:03] <frybye> but the above commands did not find -any- java or..?
[11:04] <llutz> how did you install azureus, from repos?
[11:04] <frybye> from a bz2
[11:04] <llutz> why?
[11:04] <frybye> -tried to install- it says need the java...
[11:05] <kuroryuu> frybye: sudo apt-get install azureus
[11:05] <frybye> adept found no azeurus
[11:05] <frybye> ok i try that..
[11:05] <llutz> it's in universe (gutsy)
[11:05] <kuroryuu> spelling is tricky too, lol
[11:07] <frybye> it seems to be getting jre6 right now..
[11:08] <frybye> seems to be done .. i will go look for it..
[11:08] <kuroryuu> azureus is still 2.5 in ubuntu hardy? dang
[11:09] <frybye> it has just updated to 1.8.3
[11:09] <Dr_willis> azureus is in the repos? :) heh
[11:09] <frybye> plugin that is..
[11:11] <frybye> it says that port 64191 is closed.. eh what to do now??
[11:11] <Dr_willis> open the port?
[11:11] <kuroryuu> frybye: set up port forwarding on your router is one option
[11:12] <frybye> I will look in router setup to see what port is at the moment open for torrents.. hang on
[11:12] <user5> ciao
[11:12] <user5> italian irc?
[11:13] <frybye> remind me of the normal ip for the router.. eh <IP_ADDRESS> or??
[11:13] <llutz> !it | user5
[11:13] <nubotu> user5: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:13] <kuroryuu> frybye: <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:13] <kuroryuu> *<IP_ADDRESS>
[11:19] <Freddy2> hi
[11:19] <kuroryuu> Freddy2: hello
[11:19] <Freddy2> how can i force apt-get to reinstall an already installed package?
[11:20] <kuroryuu> apt-get remove then apt-get install
[11:20] <kuroryuu> or in adept there's an option to reinstall
[11:20] <Freddy2> due to some problems with fglrx driver it seems that i broke libGL.so.1, but i can't remove mesa-libs
[11:20] <Freddy2> hmm i'll try in adept
[11:21] <frybye> kuroryuu: I found the router handbook it is <IP_ADDRESS> no prob
[11:21] <kuroryuu> frybye: never seen a router with that address, lol
[11:21] <kuroryuu> frybye: at least not by default
[11:24] <Freddy2> fine, it seems there was a missing package
[11:25] <Freddy2> thx
[11:28] <frybye> be baack in aa bit c u al
[11:29] <flaccid> Freddy2, like apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[11:29] <flaccid> ^^ thats a handy one anyway
[11:29] <Freddy2> ok, thx :)
[11:29] <flaccid> np sir
[11:31] <q4a> hi all
[11:31] <kuroryuu> q4a: hello
[11:31] <q4a> how to set default display manager to kdm (now kdm-kde4)
[11:32] <kuroryuu> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[11:32] <q4a> ok, i'll try
[11:33] <q4a> kuroryuu, thx u very much - it works =)
[11:42] <renato> hi, I do not have  the getcwd command. what package should I download to get it?
[11:43] <Freddy2> is this a command? or a C function?
[11:43] <Freddy2> try pwd
[11:43] <renato> getcwd = get current working directory
[11:43] <Freddy2> sure, try pwd
[11:44] <renato> I cannot, it is part of a scaript installing ISPConfig
[11:44] <flaccid> symlink it
[11:44] <Freddy2> or alias
[11:45] <renato> true, althought I do not know if the output is "exactly" the same, I guess the script parses the output afterwards
[11:45] <flaccid> well thats a C function so not sure why it would call it in shell unless maybe csh is required. sure its not php asking for it?
[11:59] <frybye> am i right in thinking that azureus and azureus-vuze are two different things or?
[11:59] <frybye> is vuze just a plug-in for azureus..?
[12:00] <frybye> I just installed azureus and was expecting the gui with loads of (legal-) films etc.. but..?
[12:00] <Freddy2> vuze is azureus3
[12:01] <frybye> oh shi* - hmmm - and it is not available for linux or what.. i mean java is java...
[12:01] <frybye> can i update within the client??
[12:01] <Freddy2> i'd suggest you to keep using 2.x series
[12:01] <bazhang> frybye, please keep it family friendly
[12:02] <frybye> baz i thought that was harmless.. but as you wish..
[12:02] <bazhang> thanks frybye
[12:02] <frybye> freedy.. the other thing does have its attractions...
[12:03] <frybye> is there a way to migrate.. within 2. it said no update avail...
[12:03] <Freddy2> if you only want to download torrents and not to have a full-of-garbage-program.. keep with 2.x
[12:03] <frybye> fred... i get your point..
[12:03] <Freddy2> 2.x has probably been frozen
[12:04] <frybye> I have used vuze on a windows pc and at some stage it did get a bit much..
[12:09] <sterna> has anyone else had the problem that after hitting alt-f2, the run command window pops up behind the window that currently has focus?
[12:09] <ForsakenSoul> hello I want to ask you a question ...  Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[12:30] <q4a> hi all
[12:31] <q4a> i'm trying to install kde4 from symantic - get error: kde4 dependens from kdenetwork-kde4 but it will not install .. dependens from kdeutils-kde4 but it will not install
[12:32] <PhilRod> q4a: what happens when you try to install just kdeutils-kde4 on its own?
[12:34] <mauricio> hi eveyone! I am thinking to update from 7.10 to 8.04, Do you have any advice?
[12:34] <sigma_> do a fresh install if you tweaked 7.10 alot
[12:34] <sigma_> saves alot of pain in the future
[12:35] <sigma_> and remember to backup important data
[12:35] <mauricio> sigma_: ok
[12:35] <q4a> PhilRod, it write kdeutils-kde4  dependens from superkaramba-kde4 but it will not install
[12:35] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: kde4.1? thought it was going to be available yesterday
[12:36] <mauricio> sigma_: thanks
[12:36] <nosrednaekim> sigma_: PM
[12:36] <sigma_> nosrednaekim: PM?
[12:36] <mauricio> sigma_: mmm kde 4
[12:36] <mauricio> is not stable
[12:36] <mauricio> i prefer 3.5
[12:37] <sigma_> mauricio: depends on the user hey, i love it
[12:37] <mauricio> sigma_: well it is nice
[12:38] <mauricio> but we have some problems with eclipse
[12:38] <mauricio> our development environtment
[12:38] <q4a> PhilRod, it write kdeutils-kde4 dependens from superkaramba-kde4 but it will not install
[12:38] <pim> 27th was beta release of 4.1
[12:38] <sigma_> mauricio: only the plasma desktop has issues, other than that its A ok
[12:39] <mauricio> sigma_: good new
[12:39] <mauricio> news
[12:40] <mauricio> sigma_: i will read more about
[12:40] <q4a> i want to install kde4, who can help me with it?
[12:41] <simi> hi, can you suggest me a solution for free online file storage?i would like something that can be managed outside a beowser
[12:41] <Quijote> Ya llegué!
[12:41] <Quijote> Ya llegué!
[12:41] <Quijote> Ya llegué!
[12:41] <mauricio> sigma_: have you any link to read
[12:41] <mauricio> Quijote: where are you
[12:42] <mauricio> ?
[12:42] <Quijote> sorry, was an auto message
[12:42] <mauricio> Quijote: :)
[12:42] <Quijote> :)
[12:42] <mauricio> Quijote: hey!
[12:42] <Quijote> what!
[12:42] <mauricio> Quijote: where are you
[12:43] <Quijote> Im from spain
[12:43] <mauricio> Quijote: maybe spain?
[12:43] <Quijote> yep
[12:43] <mauricio> good
[12:43] <sigma_> mauricio: ars technica did a review on the 4.1 beta, it was pretty good
[12:43] <Quijote> do you think I should change to Kubuntu?
[12:44] <prince_jammys> yes, you absolutely should
[12:44] <Freddy2> xD
[12:44] <ForsakenSoul> hey I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 if I update to 8.04 stable would my packages be rendered as uncompatable and  my home dir is in a partition of it's own .. if I update it won't tamper with it right ?
[12:44] <mauricio> well , sigma_  said that it is right
[12:44] <mauricio> today is rainning a lot
[12:44] <nosrednaekim> ForsakenSoul: second is correct
[12:45] <Quijote> but I dunno how to install any program, if I install it, I'll back here and ask you ok?¿
[12:45] <mauricio> maybe I install it :)
[12:45] <ForsakenSoul> ok would it bug my apps like sqlite3 rails or merb ?
[12:45] <sigma_> i said what is right?
[12:45] <Freddy2> Quijote: change to kubuntu, from.. ?
[12:45] <Quijote> xp...
[12:45] <prince_jammys> do it immediately
[12:45] <Freddy2> vaya, es la moda, no? xD
[12:45] <mauricio> sigma_:  kde $
[12:46] <Quijote> anda, claro xD
[12:46] <mauricio> sorry
[12:46] <Freddy2> well, you can try
[12:46] <mauricio> kde4
[12:46] <PhilRod> q4a: well, keep chasing it until you find the package that's actually causing the problem. In fact, can you install *any* package at all?
[12:46] <Quijote> one question
[12:46] <Quijote> is Kubuntu able to use 2 connections in the same time?
[12:46] <Quijote> 2 internet connections
[12:47] <Freddy2> both wired maybe?
[12:47] <prince_jammys> is fresh-installing Hardy preferred over upgrading from Gutsy? are there issues i should be aware of?
[12:47] <bazhang> Quijote, it is called ethernet bonding; yes but not easy to get going
[12:47] <Quijote> bazhang and do you have any tut?
[12:48] <Quijote> this is the most important thing that I have to get one solution if I want to change to kubuntu
[12:48] <Freddy2> if you have 2 eth cards you can also try to establish a multipath routing scheme
[12:48] <bazhang> Quijote, the terms ubuntu gutsy (or hardy) ethernet bonding brings up a couple of links
[12:48] <bazhang> prince_jammys, sound and flash at the moment
[12:49] <Quijote> ok... I'll think about this, thanks
[12:49] <Quijote> bye
[12:49] <prince_jammys> bazhang: hm. maybe i'll wait, though i don't care about flash
[12:49] <Freddy2> or even make a source (or whatever rule that you want) routing with iptables + iproute
[12:49] <Freddy2> oops, out of time XD
[12:50] <q4a> PhilRod, yes, i can, for example now i've installed koffice-doc package..
[12:50] <frybye> is there an app that will read test (after selecting it within a html-page for example..) over the speakers..?
[12:51] <frybye> e e e read TEXT...
[12:51] <bazhang> !info festival
[12:51] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info festival, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <prince_jammys> i think so, yes. 'espeak' is one, and yeah, festival
[12:51] <frybye> which of the two should one go for.. ??
[12:52] <frybye> and thanks for the info...
[12:52] <prince_jammys> well, there's more than that, too, i think
[12:52] <q4a> PhilRod, nosrednaekim in #kubuntu-kde4 says that that package does not compile yet..
[12:53] <PhilRod> ok
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> q4a: didn't say that :P
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> but there could still be bugs
[12:53] <q4a> sorry - my mistake..
[12:53] <PhilRod> frybye: also, ktts from kdeaccessibility provides a kde frontend to festival
[12:56] <q4a> i like festival - it has good russian language =)
[13:01] <frybye> PhilRod: I have installed all that recommended stuff.. how to use?
[13:01] <frybye> - and or should I re-start first??
[13:01] <PhilRod> frybye: rtfm, and no
[13:02] <PhilRod> (I haven't actually used ktts(d) very much, so I don't remember how to use it, but I'm fairly sure it has some docs)
[13:02] <frybye> phil - hmmm now the prob. F-ind-tfm..
[13:02] <PhilRod> khelpcenter -> accessibility -> ktts
[13:02] <MetaMorfoziS> !locale
[13:02] <nubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[13:10] <zippo_> hello
[13:11] <zippo_> could someone tell me howto change my "autostart" cuz everytime when im turnin on my PC i've got almost all aplications turnin on and its makin it slowin down
[13:11] <zulfiqar> lima oscar lima
[13:12] <PhilRod> zippo_: there are a couple of components to this. The one you're interested in is probably the session management: you can turn that off in systemsettings -> advanced -> session manager
[13:12] <PhilRod> "on login" -> "start with an empty session"
[13:13] <PhilRod> zippo_: there'll also be all the apps in your system tray, which will probably get restarted  on new session. You can probably tell each of those not to start on startup - just close each one, and you should get asked whether to start them on session start
[13:14] <PhilRod> (and for completeness, the third component is manually started apps, which you can configure by going to ~/.kde/share/autostart, or ~/.kde/env, but those probably aren't what you're interested in)
[13:16] <Tann> Kopete has been over loading my CPU and freezing my system. I was wondering if there is anyone else having this problem?
[13:20] <zulfiqar> Any easy way to install xubuntu from kubuntu?
[13:20] <PhilRod> Tann: try turning off plugins until the problem goes away. First suspect is the statistics plugin
[13:20] <flaccid> zulfiqar, install the package xubuntu-desktop
[13:20] <Tann> ok. I'll see
[13:21] <zulfiqar> Sorry im new at this... Can i somehow mount the iso and run it from hdd?
[13:22] <zulfiqar> my  CD-burner is not working...
[13:22] <flaccid> !iso | zulfiqar
[13:22] <frybye> PhilRod: hey thanks pal the ktts is working fine..
[13:22] <nubotu> zulfiqar: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[13:23] <Tann> zulfiqar: do you want to run kubuntu and xubuntu in the same system?
[13:23] <Tann> like, install xubuntu in kubuntu?
[13:23] <PhilRod> frybye: cool np :-)
[13:24] <zulfiqar> Here is the thing... i dumped XP because it was running too slow on my PC.. so i installed kubuntu but it is still quite slow.
[13:24] <zulfiqar> i got a link from my friend to install xubuntu. So now i want to replace kubuntu with xubutnu
[13:25] <frybye> zulfiqar: have you simply got a slow pc...?
[13:25] <jussi01> !fluxbuntu | zulfiqar
[13:25] <nubotu> zulfiqar: fluxbuntu is a LPAE-standard compliant, Ubuntu-based derivative that maintains the goal of running on a wide range of mobile devices and computers (low-end & high-end). It is lightweight, swift and efficient. | Support Channel: #fluxbuntu on freenode | Homepage: http://fluxbuntu.org/
[13:25] <zulfiqar> Old compaq from 1945... ;)
[13:25] <frybye> zulfiqar: switching operating system is not exactly going to upgrade your hardware i gues..
[13:26] <frybye> 45????
[13:26] <zulfiqar> joke...
[13:26] <Tann> you could always install "xubuntu-desktop" and set that as the default
[13:26] <frybye> ok but if the pc is just too lame for modern usage..?
[13:27] <Tann> zulfiqar: you could always install "xubuntu-desktop" and set that as the default
[13:27] <flaccid> you don't know till you try. give fluxbox a go too
[13:27] <zippo_> philrod when ill check start with a clear session... i wont start with compiz and conky. do i?
[13:27] <zulfiqar> xubuntu iso download just finished.
[13:28] <Tann> zulfiqar: you can install xubuntu as a package
[13:29] <zulfiqar> then remov kubuntu?
[13:29] <zulfiqar> remove*
[13:29] <flaccid> nah only remove if you run out of space/need the space
[13:29] <flaccid> your choice of course
[13:30] <zulfiqar> Again.. im new at this... Do i use Adept to download the xubuntu package?
[13:30] <nosrednaekim> zulfiqar: yep.. that works
[13:30] <prince_jammys> 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[13:30] <zippo_> ;]
[13:30] <zippo_> apitutde
[13:31] <prince_jammys> or that
[13:31] <zippo_> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[13:31] <zippo_> which way you'll choose thats your choice
[13:31] <flaccid> well new users don't need to go to cli
[13:31] <Tann> zulfiqar: yeah. and then you can use 'sudo apt-get autoremove kubuntu-desktop' if you want to remove kubuntu
[13:31] <zippo_> but you can purge it
[13:32] <Tann> yeah, that too
[13:32] <zulfiqar> purge?
[13:32] <zippo_> sudo aptitude purge
[13:32] <flaccid> removing doesn't delete config files in the packages
[13:32] <zippo_> yea purge "command" to remove sometin"
[13:32] <zippo_> purge do it xD (i heared about doin it)
[13:32] <zippo_> never checking
[13:33] <Tann> then won't 'sudo apt-get autoremove -p kubuntu-desktop' do that then?
[13:33] <zippo_> man i heared from my mate which is not useing apt-get...just aptitude about this second one is better
[13:33] <zulfiqar> it says... "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock...
[13:34] <flaccid> !adeptfix | zulfiqar
[13:34] <nubotu> zulfiqar: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:34] <zulfiqar> unable to lock the adm dir ... is another process using it?
[13:35] <zulfiqar> i got that after typing sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[13:35] <Tann> in a terminal put ' sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[13:35] <zippo_> hmm wait
[13:35] <zippo_> ill check
[13:36] <Tann> zulfiqar: did that work?
[13:36] <zippo_> i've got it in repos.
[13:36] <zippo_> with sudo it works
[13:36] <zippo_> but im useing aptitude
[13:36] <zippo_> not apt-get
[13:36] <zippo_> maybe that will take a diffrend
[13:36] <zippo_> diffrent
[13:37] <zulfiqar> i just installed it using adept..
[13:37] <Tann> k
[13:37] <zippo_> try to sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[13:37] <Tann> that works too ;)
[13:37] <zulfiqar> i think it worked.. now what?
[13:37] <zippo_> who here got Kubuntu 8.04?
[13:37] <Tann> are you using adept installer?
[13:37] <zippo_> me?
[13:37] <tekteen> zippo_: me
[13:37] <flaccid> !adeptfix | zulfiqar bb555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff,f5005,0000000000000000000000000000000000,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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[13:37] <Tann> no, zulfiqar:
[13:37] <pr0ggie> zippo_: i do
[13:37] <zippo_> ah sry;p
[13:37] <Tann> its k
[13:38] <bazhang> flaccid, what is that
[13:38] <zippo_> tekteen: could you tell me when ill change session to start with new... do i'll start with conky and compiz?
[13:38] <zippo_> pr0ggie if you could answer too
[13:38] <zulfiqar> dont i have to "switch" to xubuntu before removing kubuntu? how can i remove while i am stilling running it?
[13:39] <tekteen> zulfiqar: logout
[13:39] <tekteen> zulfiqar: then when you log back in
[13:39] <Tann> zulfiqar: and change your session type to XFCE
[13:39] <zippo_> tekteen : dude
[13:39] <zippo_> tekteen: dude could you anwer
[13:39] <tekteen> Tann: what Tann said
[13:40] <tekteen> zippo_: what Tann said
[13:40] <zulfiqar> ait. see you in a bit.
[13:40] <pr0ggie> I've noticed cony appear for KDE4
[13:40] <Tann> zulfiqar: k
[13:40] <pr0ggie> if you're switching from Gnome to KDE
[13:40] <tekteen> zippo_: do you know how to change sessions?
[13:40] <pr0ggie> and it's on session startup
[13:41] <zippo_> i know who to a lil bit
[13:41] <zippo_> but my question is
[13:41] <tekteen> pr0ggie: he is switching from kde to xfce
[13:41] <zippo_> system settings- >advanced ->session menager
[13:42] <zippo_> you know if got settet it at restore last session
[13:42] <tekteen> what about it?
[13:42] <zippo_> checked to start with a new session
[13:42] <tekteen> ok
[13:42] <zippo_> and do ill start with compiz and conky when im useing "start with a new session"?
[13:42] <zippo_> or i've have to do something?
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[13:42] <Tann> zippo_: Kubuntu 8.04 right?
[13:43] <zippo_> yes
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[13:43] <Tann> flaccid: WTH!
[13:43] <zippo_> Kubuntu 8.04
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[13:43] <bazhang> !ops | flaccid
[13:43] <nubotu> flaccid: Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[13:43] <zippo_> Tann: you know howto do it?
[13:43] <flaccid> l\l
[13:43] <flaccid> =
[13:43] <Tann> zippo_: You should be able to go to Kmenu > Systems > Desktop Effects
[13:44] <pr0ggie> zippo_ for compiz in kde make sure you have the compiz-kde package installed
[13:44] <zippo_> pr0ggie: i do
[13:44] <Tann> pr0ggie: with kubuntu 8.04 it automatically does that
[13:44] <zippo_> tann: kmenu where it is?
[13:44] <pr0ggie> Tann: I had to manually install it
[13:45] <zippo_> tann: i've been useing Ubuntu 8.04 gnome and i dunno :P
[13:45] <pr0ggie> zippo_ with a big K on the tool bar all the way left
[13:45] <zippo_> aye i got it
[13:45] <Tann> oh. lol
[13:45] <tekteen> zippo_: you want to make compiz auto start in kde?
[13:45] <zippo_> and'a what next?
[13:45] <zippo_> yes
[13:46] <zippo_> and'a conky
[13:46] <tekteen> zippo_: The best way to do that is to edit .profile
[13:46] <Tann> go to Systme and then to Desktop effects
[13:46] <zippo_> tann: im in
[13:46] <tekteen> or listen to tann
[13:46] <tekteen> he seems to know more
[13:46] <zippo_> tann: got it on custom effects, and i've got compiz engine installed.
[13:48] <Tann> ok, now you can select your level, and i installed the package "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[13:48] <zippo_> Tann: yes i did it... got everything allright
[13:48] <Tann> If you select "Custom effects" you can use that program to manager your effects
[13:48] <Tann> ok. cool :D
[13:49] <zippo_> Tann: My question is man "if i got in session menager setted to "start with a new session" do i'll start with compiz and conky or i have to do something?
[13:49] <BluesKaj>  I see the numbers lock setting bug is still not fixed
[13:49] <Tann> BluesKaj: it will automatically start compz. Do you mean konqueror by "conky"?
[13:49] <Tann> er, zippo_: it will automatically start compz. Do you mean konqueror by "conky"?
[13:50] <zippo_> Tann: conky that a light-weight system monitro
[13:50] <zippo_> Tann: conky that a light-weight system monitor
[13:50] <zippo_> Tann: :]
[13:50] <Tann> ah. ok. ley me see
[13:50] <zippo_> Tann: type in google or somewhere
[13:50] <tekteen> zippo_: you know how to create a bash script?
[13:50] <zippo_> nah nope
[13:50] <tekteen> ok
[13:50] <zippo_> im somekinda newbie in linux xD
[13:51] <tekteen> today is the day you learn
[13:51] <arogarth> did anyone knows where it gives a fix for kmediafactory?? because i get blackscreens at the previews
[13:51] <zippo_> ....
[13:51] <pr0ggie> zippo_ a tip in KDE, if you logout with applications open, they usually autoload when you log back in.
[13:51] <tekteen> zippo_: I will make this as painless as possible
[13:52] <Tann> zippo_: You can always go to the session manager and select "Start from a saved session" and then save a session with just conky open and then it will start just that
[13:52] <zippo_> Tann: how to save a session?
[13:53] <zippo_> ?
[13:53] <tekteen> zippo_: instead of start with new session
[13:53] <tekteen> choose start with manual session
[13:53] <tekteen> nm
[13:53] <Tann> zippo_: idk how to save a session with the kmenu. I use tasty menu
[13:53] <Tann> but i'll see
[13:54] <BluesKaj> !Num Lock
[13:54] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Num Lock, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[13:54] <BluesKaj> !NumLock
[13:54] <nubotu> To enable Number Lock by default, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NumLock
[13:55] <tekteen> zippo_: open up konqueror
[13:55] <zippo_> dont have to :]
[13:55] <zippo_> its on kmenu
[13:55] <zippo_> wait
[13:55] <zippo_> ill turn of
[13:55] <zippo_> every apllication
[13:55] <tekteen> zippo_: and go to /home/whatever/.kde/Autostart
[13:56] <zippo_> ....
[13:56] <zippo_> i think ill find the way
[13:56] <zippo_> be right back man
[13:56] <hazzy> Hi, i need help to install creative live 5.1. No sound - no fun :(
[13:57] <hazzy> lcpi: Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS
[13:57] <zippo_> Tann: done it
[13:58] <zippo_> Tann: thanks for help
[13:58] <Tann> ok, cool :D
[13:58] <Tann> no problem
[13:58] <zippo_> thanks everyone for help
[13:58] <zippo_> xxx you're guys are great
[13:58] <zippo_> takteen: thanks dude
[13:59] <zippo_> pr0ggie:  thanks for help  man xxx
[13:59] <zippo_> ok everyone cya i gotta go play World of Warcraft
[13:59] <zippo_> bye
[14:00] <q4a> hi all, dont somebody know, is there xsane irc channel??
[14:00] <crackaddict> morning any one know where to download ubuntu themes
[14:00] <prince_jammys> !themes | crackaddict
[14:00] <nubotu> crackaddict: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[14:00] <crackaddict> thank you very very much
[14:00] <tekteen> !changethemes
[14:00] <nubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[14:01] <federico> in spanish?
[14:01] <tekteen> !es
[14:01] <nubotu> Aquí solamente hablamos inglés. Para Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es - allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[14:01] <federico> thanks
[14:07] <paule118> hi
[14:07] <tekteen> hi
[14:15] <paule118> closed the connection
[14:20] <ahmed> hi i have some file i encrypted them on my mobile with file encryption and nnow  i put them in my pc and i want to decrypt them so i need a file decrypt which is the best  app here
[14:21] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  how/what did you use to encrypt them?
[14:21] <pim> gpg?
[14:22] <ahmed> an application call bestcrypto i used it on my sonyericson P1I
[14:22] <ahmed> Dr_willis:an application call bestcrypto i used it on my sonyericson P1I it encrypt files
[14:22] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  you might want to check with the program/docs/website as to how to decrypt them on a pc.
[14:23] <Dr_willis> ahmed, I imagine theres 100+ ways one could encrypt a file. :)  proberly much more.
[14:24] <ahmed> Dr_willis: do u mean when i enrypt file with an application i have to decrypt them with same app??  ok i have files i usually used them on my mobile and pc i have to encrypt and decrypt them here ot there is there any app work in both
[14:25] <Dr_willis> ahmed,   given that theres a varity of ways to encrypt somthing.. how do you expect one app to be able to decrypt EVERYTHING
[14:26] <Dr_willis> its possible they are using some standard encryption scheme. like pim  mentioned. 'gpg'  or others.
[14:26] <Dr_willis> i would check the bestcrypto web site to see if they have a linux app.
[14:26] <ahmed> ok could i try gpg to decrypt them?
[14:27] <pim> yeah
[14:27] <Dr_willis> you could try about anything you wanted. :)
[14:27] <pim> kgpg I think you'd want to use
[14:27] <ahmed> ok i'll check the websit but i dont think they have pc app couse they work on mobile app only
[14:27] <ahmed> ok let me try kgpg
[14:28] <arogarth> does nobod have a idea about kmediafactory???
[14:28] <Dr_willis> sounds like a rather useless app then if its cell phone only
[14:28] <pim> kgpg is just a kde gpg tool
[14:31] <dvheumen> hi! I'm setting up a very dark theme for my kubuntu installation, but how can I change the 2nd color of the alternating colors in i.e. a Konqueror file list?
[14:31] <dvheumen> because I now have 1 dark line, followed by a almost white line (on which the text is not at all readable)
[14:32] <Dr_willis> Ive seen that in the kde color/theme settings. Not sure where exactly. :)
[14:33] <ahmed> Dr_willis: how i use kgpg to decrypt i tryed right click i found encypt but didnt find decrypt
[14:33] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  no idea. I dont use that tool.
[14:33] <The_ManU_212> when something important is running in konsole and x is crashing is that bad?
[14:33] <The_ManU_212> like an installation?
[14:33] <Dr_willis> The_ManU_212,  X crashing is always bad. :)
[14:34] <ahmed> Dr_willis: thanks for ur help anyone here used kgpg?
[14:34] <tekteen> ahmed: I have not used it in a while
[14:34] <Dr_willis> ahmed,  i imagine kgpg has some help docs.
[14:34] <The_ManU_212> Dr_willis: yes but this happens very very hardly
[14:34] <dvheumen> Dr_willis: OMG! Thanks, It's just not in the clickable picture, but it is in the list. :O
[14:34] <ahmed> tekteen: i just wnat to how to decrypt file
[14:35] <Dr_willis> dvheumen,  i was about to mention that.. :) that dialog/color changeer is not very well done - the 'example picture' is not showing everything.
[14:35] <tekteen> ahmed: right click on the file and say open with > gpg
[14:35] <tekteen> kgpg
[14:36] <tekteen> ahmed: did that work?
[14:36] <ahmed> tekteen: decryption failed
[14:36] <tekteen> are you using the right key?
[14:37] <ahmed> tekteen:it did ask to enter the key
[14:37] <crackaddict> which packages do i need to install KDE enviroment ?
[14:37] <tekteen> may it have been corrupted?
[14:37] <tekteen> crackaddict: kubuntu-desktop
[14:38] <Dr_willis> crackaddict,  unless you would rather have the kde4 desktop
[14:38] <crackaddict> ....mmmmm is it still in beta
[14:38] <tekteen> ahmed: do you have the correct secret key?
[14:38] <tekteen> crackaddict: no, officially
[14:38] <ahmed> tekteen: yes i have it but it didnt ask for it
[14:38] <tekteen> crackaddict: it still is at heart
[14:38] <crackaddict> is it any good cause i just want it for a another feature not to use all the time
[14:38] <tekteen> ahmed: it should have it in its keychain
[14:39] <ahmed> what is crackaddect??
[14:39] <tekteen> ahmed: another person I am talking to
[14:40] <crackaddict> well whats different
[14:40] <tekteen> ahmed: I do not know why the decryption failed
[14:40] <ahmed> tekteen: ok thanks for help i'll try
[14:41] <tekteen> ahmed: is the secret key on your keychain (if it was generated on you computer answer yes)
[14:41] <crackaddict> tekteen: whats the good points of 4
[14:41] <ahmed> tekteen: sorry i thought it is anoter app for encryption his nick name has crack
[14:41] <tekteen> crackaddict: new, new, cool looking, kde composite effects, ect
[14:42] <crackaddict> tekteen: which packegs do i need ofr it
[14:42] <tekteen> ahmed: oh... lol
[14:42] <ahmed> tekteen: ididnt make any keychain i encrypted the file with pestcrypto on my mobile and now i want to decrypt it here didnt make any key chain how i make that
[14:42] <tekteen> crackaddict: for kde4?
[14:43] <crackaddict> tekteen: yesh
[14:43] <tekteen> crackaddict: kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[14:43] <crackaddict> tekteen: thanks
[14:44] <tekteen> ahmed: does your mobile use pgp?
[14:44] <tekteen> ahmed: or gpg?
[14:44] <ahmed> i dont know its P1I sonyericsson symbian UIQ3
[14:45] <tekteen> ahmed: they are probably incompatible kgpg only works with pgp compliant software
[14:45] <frybye> hi - in dolphin in my home directory there is a sub-directory which has a name starting with "." ie .azureus - a different directory is shown - that is azureus (with no "." in front) I can find stuff in this other directory with a search but dont see it in dolphin..
[14:45] <tekteen> ahmed: It uses another type of encryption. sorry I can not help you
[14:46] <jussi01> frybye: view - show hidden files
[14:46] <ahmed> tekteen: ok man thanks for i have another question about Nvidia TNT/TNT2 model 64 does it support compiz fusion??
[14:48] <ubuntu_> i had installed kubuntu last week and tried installing windows on a different partition today.. the windows installation failed, but now it is not booting up kubuntu..
[14:48] <ubuntu_> how do i reinstall grub ?
[14:48] <Lynet> !grub | ubuntu_
[14:49] <nubotu> ubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:50] <ahmed> i have another question about Nvidia TNT/TNT2 model 64 does it support compiz fusion??
[14:50] <ubuntu_> thanks
[14:50] <bazhang> ahmed, best ask that in #compiz-fusion
[14:51] <ahmed> bazhang: thanks man i went thre now
[14:54] <STSX> How do I find the location of the icon for a program in my K menu? If I open menu editor and click the icon button of the program, it does not show me its location. And if I go into ~/.local/share/applications/ and look at its desktop file, the icon is just listed as "<program>.png"--no path. So how do I find it without doing a search?
[14:57] <frybye> Hi - how do I assigne a particular app as standard for a particualar file-ending.. in the sys-settings/standard programmes there seems to be no entrys at all or way to change .. it is just empty..
[14:57] <frybye> I refer here to the kde gui...
[15:02] <STSX> frybye: One way you can do it is right-click the file with particular suffix, select "Open with..." and after selecting the app you can check "remember application associated with this file type".
[15:06] <tinin> Hi, where do I enable compiz in kubuntu?
[15:06] <Dr_willis_> !compiz
[15:06] <DreadKnight> kwin ftw
[15:06] <nubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:06] <tinin> what's the name of program
[15:06] <tinin> ?
[15:06] <frybye> ok stsx - I have a different more pressing prob. right now - vlc med plyr has -frozen- how do I kill an application or process to close it down??
[15:06] <Dr_willis_> compiz --replace   > is the command. You may want to install the fusion-icon tool. for a system tray icon to controll it.
[15:06] <tinin> mmm
[15:06] <DreadKnight> tinin: check out applications/system/desktop effects
[15:07] <frybye> related to that- if I stop a azureus torrent-download - and shut down the pc - can it restart where left off??
[15:07] <STSX> frybye: an easy way is "sudo xkill" and then click on the window of the application you want to kill.
[15:07] <frybye> thanks stsx
[15:07] <Dr_willis_> frybye,  torrents can resume.. thats  a feature of all torrents. :)
[15:08] <DreadKnight> frybye: a nice way to close stuff up is pressing ctrl + Esc and choose which app to kill
[15:08] <tinin> I mean , there's a gui to enable compiz un kubuntu, i just can't find it, it is not on my menu. I need to know the name to invoke it and to add it again to my menu
[15:09] <Dr_willis_> tinin,  not under  -->    applications/system/desktop effects  ?
[15:09] <tinin> no
[15:09] <tinin> could you please give me the name of the command to launch that application?
[15:09] <The_ManU_212> Dr_willis_: so a crash of x can destroy my system when important things are running?
[15:09] <Dr_willis_> 'ccsm'
[15:10] <DreadKnight> tinin: you are running kde4 and don't have kde3 or what?
[15:10] <Dr_willis_> The_ManU_212,  depends on the crash. Linux is very stable/strong in the stuff.. but if you have a major crash on ANY OS while some very critical things are going on.. bad things could happen.
[15:10] <frybye> DreadKnight: that did it - tks...
[15:10] <tinin> I just messed up with the menus
[15:11] <Dr_willis_> tinin,  you mean the 'ccsm' tool?
[15:11] <DreadKnight> tinin: sudo apt-get install desktop-effects-kde4
[15:11] <DreadKnight> but i've asked you something else..
[15:11] <tinin> anayway, not a problem, thanx. tomorrow I'll be using kde4.1b with it's desktop effects
[15:12] <The_ManU_212> Dr_willis_: thought about that a process started in konsole is running independed on another layer, or crashes it also when x crashes?
[15:12] <tinin> surely they willl integrate better than compiz with kde
[15:12] <DreadKnight> i'm on 4.1b right now xD
[15:12] <tinin> DreadKnight packages?
[15:12] <Dr_willis_> The_ManU_212,  dependign on the ap. if X crashes, it in theory closes down all apps spawned by the X session.
[15:13] <DreadKnight> tinin: from the ppa; but still incomplete/having installation issue; i advice you to wait a bit more xD not like me heh
[15:13] <Dr_willis_> The_ManU_212,  an console command running in a 'screen' session should survive :)
[15:13] <tzd> does smplayer work well in kubuntu? Anyone with experience as well as experience with kaffeine? Which one is preferable please?
[15:13] <tinin> DreadKnight, what's the main problem?
[15:13] <tinin> I've been waiting for them
[15:13] <Dr_willis_> tzd,  use what you like. :)
[15:14] <The_ManU_212> Dr_willis_: ok thx, so all importnat things (which i only make in a terminal) should survive?
[15:14] <DreadKnight> tinin: i had to uninstall ksmserver so i can install 4.1b, so now i don't have a GUI / log in screen :-)
[15:14] <tinin> haha
[15:14] <Dr_willis_> The_ManU_212,  if you want to be paranoid about it learn to use 'screen' in terminal sessions
[15:14] <DreadKnight> startx ftw :-)
[15:14] <tzd> Dr_willis_: i suppose i should try it out :) I've been using kaffeine and vlc but now with a fresh install i'd thought i'd try something new :)
[15:14] <Dr_willis_> tzd,  i tend to use mplayer/gmplayer
[15:15] <tinin> smplayer  rules
[15:15] <tzd> Dr_willis_: mmm mplayer is really good with wmv compared to kaffeine which doesn't handle it well.. at least not on my computer
[15:15] <tzd> tinin: you use smplayer for every fileformat without issues?
[15:16] <tinin> no, I use the media player connectivity addon for firefox
[15:16] <tinin> and I use vlc/smplayer
[15:16] <tzd> ah ok
[15:16] <DreadKnight> wooohooo i have sound in dragonplayer after months xD...
[15:16] <tzd> seems like vlc and smplayer are very similar?
[15:16] <DreadKnight> dragonplayer ftw :-)
[15:17] <tzd> haha "after months".. :)
[15:17] <tinin> I will wait for more stable packages, but where's the PPA? DreadKnight
[15:17] <tzd> i don't dare to try that one DreadKnight :)
[15:17] <DreadKnight> it seems i had an issue in dragonplayer, perhaps i needed to delete the old settings files long ago
[15:18] <DreadKnight> tinin: yeah, the one used before to get the kde4 alpha/beta etc :-)
[15:18] <tinin> gmplayer and smplayer use mplayer. vlc uses vlc, and kaffeine uses xine, i think
[15:18] <DreadKnight> heh
[15:19] <mil> vlc plays most formats with ease
[15:19] <frybye> what is a video with file-ending *.mkv - dont seem to be able to play it??
[15:19] <mil> its my first choice in both windows and ubuntu kubuntu for playing all file formats
[15:19] <tinin> sur
[15:19] <tinin> e
[15:20] <tinin> it is quik and fast
[15:21] <Dr_willis_> frybye,   normally its more imporntant as to the codec the video is done in. not the file extenson. and yes. mkv is a video conatiner that has some neat features. vlc and mplayer should be able to play it if the right codeces are installed.
[15:21] <crackaddict> !wine
[15:21] <nubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[15:21] <crackaddict> whats the get wine command
[15:21] <Pennycook> sudo apt-get install wine
[15:21] <DreadKnight> crackaddict: sudo apt-get install wine
[15:21] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:22] <Dr_willis_> try typing 'wine' and see. :)
[15:22] <Dr_willis_> heh
[15:22] <crackaddict> thought theyd by a version number
[15:25] <mdr> what is 'smplayer'
[15:25] <pim> Try google
[15:25] <crackaddict> ....mmm trying to install generals
[15:25] <frybye> Dr_willis_: when i try to open the .mkv file with vlc my problem is that in the "open file" window there is no way to "show hidden directories"??
[15:25] <mdr> i searched for "smplayer in synaptic and nothing came up
[15:26] <pim> http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/
[15:26] <pim> I told you: google has it.
[15:26] <frybye> Dr_willis_: ..and the file is in a hidden directoy..
[15:26] <frybye> hmmm drag and drop or..?
[15:27] <frybye> ah - damn it .. the slider just runs to the right but no video or sound..
[15:29] <crackaddict> how do i get wine to run the cd
[15:29] <pim> well
[15:29] <pim> you could use the console
[15:29] <Dr_willis_> frybye,  just type in the path?
[15:29] <pim> go to the directory with the setup
[15:29] <pim> and type
[15:29] <pim> wine setup
[15:29] <pim> .exe
[15:30] <Ptit_Nico> Hello :)
[15:30] <crackaddict> pim: just as that
[15:31] <crackaddict> yeah the wine setup command isnt working
[15:33] <crackaddict> auto promtp says acess denied .... how do i get access
[15:33] <frybye> Dr in the dir with the film there was another small file - I think it is some windows related key or similar - ??
[15:34] <frybye> have deleted it now - forget it.. hehe
[15:36] <Ptit_Nico> Just a tiny question : is there any bug repport about ejection about USB key ? i got some problem with it
[15:37] <Ptit_Nico> the problem is in the live CD 8.04 and some friend running Kubuntu got the same problem
[15:38] <Dr_willis_> what is this problem?
[15:39] <zerok_> ^^
[15:40]  * Dr_willis_ recalls telling a guy at work to be ready to 'catch' his usb thumb drive - when he used the "Eject" menu item on it..
[15:40] <Dr_willis_> :)
[15:40] <Ptit_Nico> well, when you plug an USB key the device work fine, you can work on it, when you umount it it s ok too. but when you want to eject him you cannot
[15:40] <Ptit_Nico> in feisty it was easy to just eject a simple USB device
[15:40] <zerok_> wow
[15:40] <Dr_willis_> if its unmounted.  its done. what more do ya want?
[15:41] <chev_chelios> power off the device?
[15:41] <Ptit_Nico> the problem come with an ipiod for exemple
[15:41] <Dr_willis_> last i looked eject did a unmount, then a some other command to cause the cd tray to open.
[15:41] <Ptit_Nico> *ipod
[15:41] <Ptit_Nico> for unplug the ipod you have to eject it before
[15:41] <chev_chelios> the devices in ubuntu now unmount, but they do not power off like they did before
[15:42] <Ptit_Nico> its just weird because all was running fine in feisty
[15:42] <chev_chelios> the light on my usb stick lights on even when i unmount it, in feisty it did not
[15:42] <Ptit_Nico> chev_chelios:  true
[15:42] <chev_chelios> Ptit_Nico: i am with you on this one.
[15:43] <Ptit_Nico> btw we can just unplug it but for an ipod it s uncool :/
[15:43] <Ptit_Nico> it can be an electrical problem too if you do like that :(
[15:43] <Dr_willis_> ive herd about some usb gizmos not turning off their lights when unmounted. not sure what thats about.  Not like Unmounting somthing removes the power.
[15:43] <chev_chelios> i have to wait for the light to stop blinking, and pary every time that usb is not going to be burned:)
[15:44] <Dr_willis_> if its not mounted.. its done.. shouldent be any issues.
[15:44] <chev_chelios> in windows xp, the device powers off, and in feisty powers off, in hardy noooo :-\
[15:44] <dru> any one know about adding networkubuntu repositories to kubuntu?
[15:45] <Dr_willis_> ive never noticed it powering off in any of the os's
[15:45] <Dr_willis_> may depend on the exact gizmo
[15:45] <Dr_willis_> Ones I got only have a 'access' light I guess. blinks when its being read/written to
[15:45] <dru> (nubuntu)
[15:45] <chev_chelios> and in other new linuxes, doesn't power off, it has something to do with kernel. that is my guess, it is the same problem in every new distro.
[15:45] <Dr_willis_> dru,  what repository?
[15:46] <Dr_willis_> chev_chelios,  if its actually a problem. :)
[15:46] <chev_chelios> i am talking about the same device.
[15:46] <Ptit_Nico> Dr_willis_:  yes it is
[15:46] <chev_chelios> i do not think it is a problem,
[15:46] <Ptit_Nico> for my ipod it is
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dru, Open Adept Package Manager, On the menu of that screen click on Adept -> Manage Repositories, click the Kubuntu Software tab, check all the boxes "X".The same goes for the Third Party Software tab. Close,and then in the terminal type " sudo apt-get update ".Now, you have more sources for applications other than the defaults that came with Kubuntu.
[15:46] <Dr_willis_> its possible its some changes to the scsi/usb stuff.
[15:46] <chev_chelios> i just do not want to find my usb with me precious data burned:)
[15:47] <Ptit_Nico> and we can dommage the USB port too :/
[15:47] <Dr_willis_> check the forums i guess. see if any one else has seen similer issues.    Ive never seen/herd of any being damaged..  but with ipods.. no idea.
[15:47] <Ptit_Nico> Dr_willis_:  thxs
[15:48] <Dr_willis_> i imagine theres proberly an iPOD forum :) on the ubuntu sites.. heh .. wouldent suprise me
[15:49] <Dr_willis_> well bbl.. gotta do a reinstall.
[15:49] <Ptit_Nico> ^^
[15:49] <dru> as far as i can tell nubuntu is another dist to kubuntu .....its got some auditing tools and basic stuff... so id like to add the repo to my apt sources list.... however seeing that its not supported by *canaconal( dru thinks thats spelt right)....im having trouble actually finding the repo address....any ideas?
[15:50] <crackaddict> tekteen: how do i specifie to use GDM
[15:50] <Ptit_Nico> chev_chelios:  im glad to find another people with the same problem :)
[15:50] <dru> http://www.nubuntu.org/
[15:50] <BluesKaj> canonical
[15:50] <dru> thanks BluesKaj
[15:50] <chev_chelios> Ptit_Nico: i recon this is not a problem, just some little glich in the kernel modules...
[15:51] <Ptit_Nico> k
[15:52] <BluesKaj> dru, what desktop environment does nubuntu use ?
[15:52] <crackaddict> any one know how to change my desktop thingy to use GDM
[15:53] <NekosolTeraDyne> Looks like nUbuntu uses Fluxbox
[15:53] <NekosolTeraDyne> http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=nUbuntu%206.10
[15:55] <dru> i think it uses gnome....i havnt got the live ccd just yet so im not sure....but i gave the gnome core part(well i could add it if i really want to )....the thing about it that it uses deb instead of *slax or whatever (rpm) that bt3 uses....so it would be better then doing it the way of all slax....converting a rpm to tar.gz then taring to deb.
[15:55] <NekosolTeraDyne> dru: judging from the screenshots in the link I put up, it's Fluxbox
[15:56] <dru> yeah flux box shouldnt be an issue... i could use it instead of the standard kde...right yeah hmmm...maybe they have a nubuntu room where i can ask
[15:57] <NekosolTeraDyne> Try joining #nubuntu
[15:57] <BluesKaj> dru , the deb repositories are much more reliable and stable both terms of updated packages and installation , especially package management of dependencies .
[15:57] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:58] <dru> yeah thats really true slapt-get just dosnt work :D
[16:02] <dru>  #nubuntu
[16:02] <dru> 3 peeps
[16:02] <dru> :D
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> Popular! :)
[16:04] <dru> http://wiki.nubuntu.org/index.php/List_of_packages_included_in_nUbuntu_6.10
[16:08] <dru> !nubuntu
[16:08] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nubuntu, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[16:17] <dru> who thinks using a *nubuntu cd ...with the cd repository added....may add an upgradeable option to a current hardy system
[16:18] <dru> alternativly ....just the repository
[16:19] <crackaddict> any one know how to change boot logo to ubuntu from kubuntu
[16:19] <crackaddict> (orignal install was ubuntu)
[16:20] <dru> crackaddict: are you talking about the login / flash screen?
[16:20] <crackaddict> yeah
[16:20] <dru> you need to *get it
[16:21] <crackaddict> i have it on the system
[16:21] <josefina> hola
[16:21] <josefina> ji
[16:21] <crackaddict> dru: i installed ubunutu and then installed kubuntu desktop and im being really picky and wanting the splash screen to be ubuntu
[16:21] <dru> you apt-get ed your kubuntu system .....then yeah have you removed all the gnome packages... that can be quite painfull
[16:22] <dru> oh
[16:22] <dru> hmmm
[16:22] <crackaddict> really .....
[16:22] <crackaddict> i thoguht it would have kepted them all
[16:22] <crackaddict> do i need to apt get ubuntu now ?
[16:23] <crackaddict> or can i repair ...? keep settings and themes
[16:23] <crs> Hello
[16:23] <crs> Is there any repo with testing opera?
[16:24] <NekosolTeraDyne> dru: "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" just installs the Kubuntu desktop. It doesn't get rid of Gnome.
[16:24] <crackaddict> why has it changed the splash screen to kubuntu then ?
[16:24] <dru> ubuntu is just a dist...it uses alternative desktops for the fun or ease of using ...you probly had gnome with ubuntu now you have kde...and you want all those extra gnome packs to dissapear...thats the part that you need to look for ...then keep your flash screen by keeping the gnome core installed
[16:25] <NekosolTeraDyne> crackaddict: That's because kubuntu-desktop installed a usplash that replaced the normal one. Hold on, I'll see if I can find the name of the ubuntu usplash package
[16:26] <crackaddict> i got the command thanks anyway
[16:26] <NekosolTeraDyne> k
[16:27] <dru> even so apt-get install kubuntu-desktop....only installs the needed packages... however theres a huge conflict on the system cause gnome wass there first ... so if you want a pure kde ubuntu then you will have to find each and every last little package.....its not as easy as apt-get remove gnome-desktop
[16:27] <dru> but in the end just find that huge list of "removes" and leave out the flash screen
[16:29] <Pennycook> What about sudo aptitude purge gnome-desktop
[16:30] <CPrgmSwR2> Can someone help me with this apt-get issue -> http://rafb.net/p/XKyoaE22.html
[16:30] <crackaddict> any one know how to change autopropmt permissions for loading game discs
[16:30] <wastrel> gnome-desktop is a metapackage and will be removed but the dependencies it pulled down with it will remain.
[16:30] <pag> !purekde | dru
[16:30] <nubotu> dru: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[16:31] <crackaddict> “sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so“ and then choose the ubuntu boot logo, then do ”sudo update-initramfs -u”
[16:33] <CPrgmSwR2> apt-get is producing erros when trying to update
[16:34] <jaakkome> hmh, I can't get the wlan to work on my laptop
[16:34] <haryono> may I join pls
[16:35] <jaakkome> lspci does list the controller
[16:35] <haryono> I need hell Im newbie in Kubuntu
[16:35] <Ptit_Nico> Hello again all
[16:35] <haryono> I need Help
[16:35] <haryono> Help me pls
[16:35] <CPrgmSwR2> haryono: can I give you hell?
[16:35] <haryono> Help not Hell
[16:35] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  just explain
[16:35] <jaakkome> but I can't activate it at system settings > network settings
[16:36] <Pennycook> jaakkome: When I had trouble with my wireless, this HowTo was really helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[16:36] <blackflag> !syslog
[16:36] <nubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about syslog, try looking on http://stdin.me.uk/bot/factoids.cgi
[16:36] <crackaddict> any oen know how to grant current user in the session sorta super user or admin rights
[16:36] <haryono> Im just new user of Kubuntu..How to turn my webcam on Kubuntu  YM Chat?
[16:36] <Ptit_Nico> if U red me before with my USB device i found the solution : sudo apt-get install pmount
[16:36] <haryono> Nico Can yiou fix my peoblem
[16:37] <CPrgmSwR2> I need help too btw
[16:37] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  did you read the wiki before ?
[16:37] <haryono> what wiki?
[16:37] <dru> CPrgmSwR2: can you give a reboot a shot then retry  apt-get update
[16:38] <haryono> dru u speak to me?
[16:38] <CPrgmSwR2> dru: okay thnx, well do, brb
[16:38] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  clic here  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[16:38] <dru> haryono: pidgin is a bit fussy when it comes to webcam protocolls
[16:38] <haryono> I eed help to use my Zc0301 Webcam driver with YM cHAT
[16:39] <dru> are you using yahoo messenger haryono=?
[16:39] <haryono> yes dru is it problem?
[16:40] <haryono> can i use Zc0301 Webcam friver to install webcam in Kubuntu?
[16:40] <dru> haryono: or are you using the yahoo id to chat on the yahoo network ....yahoo messenger or maybe pidgin or gaim or kopete?
[16:40] <Ptit_Nico> there is a yahoo messenger client for Linux ? O_o
[16:40] <haryono> in Kopete if its possible
[16:41] <haryono> dru may i use YM in Kubuntu for chat with webcam ?
[16:41] <dru> sorry haryono, theres a big problem right there since kopete dosnt like to support that protocoll
[16:42] <haryono> so how can i use my webcam in kubuntu then..?
[16:42] <adz21c> kopete can do yahoo webcams, i don't think so in kde4 but kde3 yes
[16:42] <haryono> tell me pls
[16:42] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  sudo apt-get install xawtv
[16:42] <CPrgmSwR2> dru: no luck
[16:42] <haryono> how to install sudo?
[16:42] <Ptit_Nico> then you can try it
[16:42] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  press atl + F2
[16:42] <haryono> Nico how to install sudo?
[16:43] <dru> ....im not the athorit matter but it seems that to the protocoll there is an issue since kopete isnt yahoo messenger
[16:43] <Ptit_Nico> you will see a dialog box type inside : konsole
[16:43] <Ptit_Nico> then type in konsole :
[16:43] <Ptit_Nico> sudo apt-get install xawtv
[16:43] <haryono> ok i see a dialog now
[16:43] <haryono> then?
[16:43] <adz21c> dru: no but the yahoo support is ok, it doesn't support everything, but chat, emotes, webcam work
[16:43] <dru> cool
[16:43] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  read before ;)
[16:43] <dru> :P
[16:44] <adz21c> dru: and file transfers
[16:44] <dru> whoa that too ?
[16:44] <CPrgmSwR2> Well there is a package update issue currently for hardy
[16:44] <adz21c> dru: only issue i have is every so often it kicks me off and logs me back on when i am infactive, in like space of a few seconds ... odness lol
[16:44] <adz21c> inactive*
[16:45] <haryono> so i type sudo apt-get install xawtv ...then klik?Nico?
[16:45] <dru> CPrgmSwR2: you may also want to give your sources lists an update
[16:46] <dru> lemme see
[16:46] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  did U type the command ?
[16:46] <haryono> Nico I hve typr that command in the dialog box so i klik it now?
[16:46] <CPrgmSwR2> dru: I have
[16:47] <Ptit_Nico> haryono:  juste press "Enter" when you had type sudo apt-get install xawtv
[16:47] <haryono> Nico after i type the command should I klik run...?
[16:47] <Ptit_Nico> (it s quiet simple)
[16:47] <haryono> ok i enter now
[16:48] <haryono> Nico after enter then ..no response ?
[16:48] <dru> CPrgmSwR2: can you apt-get install *anypackage ?