[08:00] <tonyyarusso> sebest: How come?
[08:01] <sln45> Oh God, here come the stones. What I mean is...
[08:01] <sebest> tonyyarusso: i don t really care to have a old version of ps, ls and so on
[08:01] <sln45> What I mean is that Ubuntu's usability is pretty refined, and I think applications and their productivity should absorb the focus.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> sebest: In English, "don't care to" actually means "do not want to" - I think you mean "I don't care *if* I have an old version of ps, ls, and so on".
[08:02] <sln45> Not that that's really Canonical's duty.
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Silly differences coming out the opposite of what you intended :P
[08:02] <sebest> tonyyarusso: sorry :) but you get the  point
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> sebest: Why do you need the upgrades to the kernel and mysql though?  Trying to understand the business case here.
[08:02] <sln45> Aagh, I was trying to do a thing with compiz. I'm going to stop rambling now.
[08:03] <sebest> tonyyarusso: only for performance and features, like new hardware or improved performance in mysql
[08:04] <tonyyarusso> sebest: Okay, but if you're upgrading major system components, what's the reason *not* to upgrade the little stuff?
[08:04] <sebest> tonyyarusso: let s say you are a big LAMP shop, the only package we really care about are L A M P
[08:04] <aum__> hello everyone, i have installed ubuntu 10.04 command line only, after that i installed xorg, icewm
[08:04] <aum__> Now i want to login graphically automatically not from startx command. please suggest a way to do so...
[08:05] <sln45> Hmm.... Compiz thinks it's my compositing manager, but I see no drop shadows.
[08:05] <sebest> tonyyarusso: because it is a lot of trouble to upgrade from on LTS to another, a lot of things change, for example upstart
[08:05] <ZekeS> aum__: install a display manager of some sort
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> aum__: Pick a display manager, like gdm, xdm, etc.
[08:05] <soreau> aum__: gdm?
[08:05] <sebest> tonyyarusso: upstart is useless for us and only gives us new issues
[08:05] <somsip> aum__: I'd recommend SLiM - very light and simple login manager. LightDM might also be worth looking at
[08:05] <Artemis3> aum__, you could install xdm, lightdm, etc.
[08:05] <sln45> soreau: Still there?
[08:05] <sebest> tonyyarusso: the little things gives you a lot of little issues
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> somsip, Artemis3: I don't think lightdm is in 10.04.
[08:06] <tito_> hey guys! I had fedora 16 (verne) and ubuntu 11.10(oneiric ocelot) installed on my PC. After the kernel upgrade in ubuntu yesterday, there are three entries in grub called "Fedora Release 16 (Verne)
[08:06] <linda> aum__: System -> Preferences -> Login Screen
[08:06] <tito_> I've tried update-grub
[08:06] <tito_> but it doesnt help
[08:06] <somsip> tonyyarusso: I stand corrected, thanks. I'd still go with SLiM above the bloaties though...
[08:06] <Artemis3> very well, slim or xdm should do for a light system
[08:06] <aum__> but i do not want login manager i just want to login automatically ...
[08:06] <soreau> sln45: Do you have window borders?
[08:06] <ZekeS> oooo
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> sebest: I guess that makes some sense.  Are you able to get the packages you need from the backports repository?
[08:07] <linda> aum__: I think you will need to explain more specifically what it is you really want to do.
[08:07] <ZekeS> aum__: there's probably an entry on the ubuntu wiki labeled boot directly into x or some such
[08:07] <sebest> tonyyarusso: most of the time we backport them ourselves
[08:07] <sln45> soreau: That I do, but I don't think I can even get Compiz to be my manager again (though it thinks it is.) Nothing has changed since I turned Metacity's manager off
[08:07] <soreau> sln45: What is the output of 'ps ax|grep compiz|grep -v grep'?
[08:07] <ZekeS> I can link the arch wiki article, but there may be severe differences
[08:07] <linda> aum__: You've taken a bit of an un-orthodox approach to installing, not sure why but maybe you need to explain what it is your trying to do.
[08:08] <tata> can I resize partition ext3 with linux o.s., I mean is it demage my linux?
[08:08] <sebest> tonyyarusso: storing them on an internal reprepro
[08:08] <somsip> aum__: oh - misunderstood. Worht a shot - I've done this on Arch before: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Automatic_login_to_virtual_console
[08:08] <tonyyarusso> sebest: Okay, but do you have to?  If they're already in backports then the functionality you're describing is already available.
[08:08] <tito_> can anyone help? please?
[08:08] <Artemis3> tata, you can, but backup first... gparted does it
[08:08] <sln45> soreau: Wha..... There's no output at all!
[08:08] <soreau> sln45: That means compiz isn't running and thus not managing anything at all
[08:08] <sebest> tonyyarusso: there is no 2.6.38 kernel for karmic or mysql/mariadb/percona 5.5
[08:09] <tata> ok, thank you
[08:09] <sln45> soreau: Ah, I'll fix that then.
[08:09] <somsip> aum__: And 10.04 specific: http://codemonkeytips.blogspot.com/2011/01/howto-enable-console-autologin-on.html
[08:09] <linda> aum__: I guess the question is, what exactly do you want to login to automatically?  The GUI?
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> sebest: Um, of course not.  Karmic is EOL.  There isn't anything for it.
[08:09] <ZekeS> linda: ... that's exactly what he said, yes
[08:09] <soreau> sln45: Try compiz --replace from Alt+F2 run dialog or 'compiz --replace & disown' from a terminal
[08:09] <ZekeS> aum__: You want to look at the /etc/inittab method https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot
[08:10] <aum__> linda, yes i want to start firefox automatically ...
[08:10] <sln45> soreau: That did the trick. Thanks.
[08:10] <sln45> soreau: Continuing with your instructions
[08:10] <ZekeS> aum__: or better yet, use automatic login to virtual console then have the startx in your bash profile so console-kit et al dont break dramatically
[08:10] <sebest> tonyyarusso: the same for lucid
[08:11] <linda> aum__: System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab.
[08:11] <Scarra3> How do you install the PAE Kernel into Ubuntu 11.10 and then remove the stock kernel
[08:11] <aum__> linda , i do not have gnome...
[08:11] <sln45> soreau: compiz-plugins-main is dependent on compiz. It won't go unless compiz goes
[08:11] <linda> aum__: Which window manager are you using?
[08:11] <aum__> icewm
[08:12] <linda> aum__: You may have .autorun  or .autostart or something. Do you see it?
[08:13] <linda> aum__: .icewin/something-or-other....?
[08:13] <somsip> aum__: the URL I gave before will log you in on boot, then instrcutions here will start x on login. then you add entries to .xinitrc (or if icewm supports something else, do it there) to sytart individual programs. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_Boot
[08:13] <linda> aum__: http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-4.html#startup
[08:13] <Gskellig> http://pastebin.com/UWnj4a3k
[08:13] <Gskellig> whats going on here?
[08:13] <soreau> sln45: then just leave it
[08:14] <somsip> Gskellig: you're trying to change directory into a file
[08:15] <Gskellig> its definitely a directory
[08:15] <somsip> Gskellig: pastebin ls -la egg*
[08:16] <Refreze> Hi. I have been experiencing a weird problem lately with 11.10. Every now and then I will get booted to the login screen for no reason and forced to enter in my details. After logging in my previous session is no more. Any ideas?
[08:16] <linda> Gskellig: "eggdrop: Not a directory"
[08:16] <aum__> thanks linda, but firstly i want to login automatically right now i have to login through command line then use the "startx" command
[08:16] <aum__> to get the X session
[08:17] <somsip> aum__: posted that twice for you already
[08:17] <linda> aum__: That's not so hard is it?
[08:17] <sln45> soreau: Alright. Well, Compiz isn't wrecking me as much as I expected, though a little more than I'd like. I guess I can play with it and see if it'll work out okay. Thanks for helping me, it was cool to meet you.
[08:17] <linda> somsip: ls -la egg* |pastebinit
[08:18] <somsip> linda: no thanks
[08:18] <linda> somsip: No problem.
[08:18] <somsip> :)
[08:20] <Gskellig> http://pastebin.com/t7JeyesR
[08:22] <linda> somsip: file eggdrop  |pastebinit
[08:22] <sln45> soreau: Oh God, someting broke and I have to restart my computer.
[08:22] <somsip> linda: should be aimed at Gskellig
[08:22] <linda> o
[08:23] <linda> Gskellig: file eggdrop  |pastebinit
[08:23] <soreau> sln45: What happened?
[08:24] <Gskellig> eggdrop: directory
[08:24] <linda> Gskellig: ls -la eggdrop |pastebinit
[08:25] <Gskellig> same as before?
[08:25] <linda> Gskellig: Maybe you should first tell us where you got this directory (or file that thinks it is a directory).
[08:25] <alecjw> hi, how can i disable power management on my laptop?
[08:26] <linda> Gskellig: And what is supposed to be in it that you need?  (Or need to know about.)
[08:26] <soreau> alecjw: What do you expect disabling power management to do exactly?
[08:26] <daggs-> hello all, I have a question, I've installed kubuntu 10.04 lts and I'd like to install kdevelop from oneiric without upgrading the system, is it doable?
[08:26] <alecjw> soreau: stop it from going into standby whenever i plug in or unplug my charger
[08:26] <soreau> daggs-: Don't even think about it
[08:27] <Scarra3> What does everyone think about 11.10
[08:27] <soreau> alecjw: Which version of ubuntu?
[08:27] <alecjw> lucid
[08:27] <soreau> ! poll | Scarra3
[08:27] <daggs-> soreau: is it that bad of idea?
[08:27] <linda> Gskellig: And if eggdrop is of no use to you, I suppose you could try deleting it.
[08:27] <soreau> alecjw: Have you looked in sys>admin>power management?
[08:27] <soreau> alecjw: sys>prefs>pm
[08:28] <soreau> daggs-: Very
[08:28] <Scarra3> What do I need to do to disable the integrated graphics card and use the one I have in my PCI slot
[08:28] <alecjw> i seem to have this problem with every version of gnome on every laptop - the solution i found was to kill gnome-power-manager, but then i dont get a battery level readout
[08:28] <linda> Scarra3: Most of us think 11.10 is rather cool.  Others think it's rather uncool.  Others are a bit undecided, (like you).
[08:28] <neoplus> Hi,
[08:29] <soreau> daggs-: For one, you never want to mix packages or repos from different distro versions. Two, there have been significant changes in kde from 10.04 to 11.10 and it simply will not do whatever you're wanting it to
[08:29] <somsip> Gskellig: I've seen this before and I remember it was something very simple, but it escapes me. As Linda said: 'file eggdrop' and what's the result?
[08:29] <alecjw> soreau: what am i looking for in there? i think the problem is upower reporting stupid remaining times, like 2 minutes remaining just as i unplug it
[08:29] <daggs-> soreau: I assume that compilng from source is safe right? (without the install of course)
[08:29] <soreau> alecjw: What graphics driver are you using?
[08:29] <Gskellig> file eggdrop gave me eggdrop: directory
[08:30] <alecjw> intel i expect, not sure though
[08:30] <soreau> daggs-: Sure but it's not likely you will succeed because of the massive changes
[08:30] <linda> Gskellig: Where did you get eggdrop?
[08:30] <Scarra3> Linda: Well I stopped using ubuntu after 11.04 when I was having trouble with them, im just trying to figure out if I can get some of my hardware to work I know my graphics card works, but my wireless car is a Netgear WNA1100 and my webcam is a microsoft LifeCam Cinima HD
[08:30] <Gskellig> its a irc bot
[08:30] <Gskellig> http://www.eggheads.org/
[08:31] <linda> Scarra3: You might consider different hardware.
[08:31] <linda> Scarra3: I use LTS mostly
[08:31] <soreau> alecjw: In xorg.conf, you can try something like these options http://pastebin.com/W3vaLjvE
[08:31] <soreau> alecjw: You probably don't have an xorg.conf and will have to create one with said contents
[08:31] <alecjw> soreau: i dont have an xorg.conf, i havent used one since about 2007 :P
[08:31] <soreau> alecjw: time of '0' means never
[08:32] <Scarra3> also can I video chat with skype in ubuntu
[08:32] <linda> Scarra3: It has been my experience that choosing wisely your hardware is a good start.
[08:32] <alecjw> soreau: dont i have to have a complete xorg.conf or nothing?
[08:32] <linda> Scarra3: Sure, you can do video chat with skype.
[08:32] <linda> I do
[08:32] <Scarra3> Ok awesome
[08:33] <neoplus> Hi,
[08:33] <linda> I think skype has been taken out of the repos, but is available from skype.com for LTS
[08:33] <linda> (10.04)
[08:33] <iceroot> linda: should be still in the partner-repo
[08:33] <iceroot> !skype | linda
[08:34] <Scarra3> im just trying to figure out how to do a few things well the graphics card thing and then replacing the ubuntu kernel with the ubuntu PAE kernel so I can use up to 64 GB or ram on x86 OS but I don't know how to remeove the stock kernel
[08:34] <linda> Thanks for the info iceroot  Scarra3
[08:34] <Gskellig> i fixed the weird file/directory problem
[08:34] <Gskellig> I'm not really sure how though
[08:34] <soreau> alecjw: It should respect the settings you put in xorg.conf. The rest it should be able to guess at, just like it does without one
[08:34] <ZekeS> Scarra3: ... > 4 GB of RAM in a 32-bit configuration is quite rare
[08:34] <Gskellig> I removed it then just re added it
[08:34] <linda> Scarra3: There you go... and there is Ekiga
[08:34] <Gskellig> so, didn't really *fix*
[08:35] <ZekeS> Why not just install x64 ubuntu
[08:35] <somsip> Gskellig: well that's all that matters. But I'm sure I've seen the same question before on here...
[08:35] <arrrghhh> ugh, why are all my usb keys cursed
[08:35] <Gskellig> it was really weird
[08:35] <Scarra3> Well I have 6 GB of ram but my system is x64 and I don't like the x64 versions of linux less program compatibility
[08:35] <alecjw> soreau: thanks, im going to try restarting x now
[08:35] <linda> ZekeS: Why is that?  Because people don't want to install RAM?  (I do not understand)
[08:36] <somsip> Gskellig: I searched and found someone on Google with exactly the same problem as you. 6th result on Google. It was you. *way* to quick...
[08:36] <iceroot> Scarra3: what is not running with amd64 but with i386?
[08:36] <ZekeS> Scarra3: fwiw I've never run into a single compatability issue on my 64-bit main pc, even running skype/32-bit flashplugin/wine/etc.
[08:36] <linda> ZekeS: Oh, I see, you mean more than 4G or RAM is rare... well, Ok, I'll buy that
[08:37] <Gskellig> somsip, wait what?
[08:37] <ZekeS> linda: yeah, specifically 4 GB of ram with a 32-bit OS these days :p
[08:37] <linda> ZekeS: But there is no problem with running a 32bit system with >4G ram either.
[08:37] <somsip> Gskellig: nah - just saying that Google farmed your question on pastein within 15 mins...
[08:37] <Gskellig> haha what the heck
[08:37] <iceroot> Scarra3: if the cpu supports amd64 there is not a single reason to use i386
[08:37] <Gskellig> thats hilarious
[08:38] <linda> iceroot: I wouldnt' say that.
[08:38] <alecjw> soreau: nope, didnt make any difference. im fairly sure the problem is with upower reporting the remaining battery life incorrectly
[08:38] <Scarra3> iceroot: ok then ill go with the x64 version but what about my graphics card problem
[08:38] <linda> iceroot: There ARE reasons.
[08:38] <somsip> Gskellig: anyway...good you fixed it. A mystery though
[08:38] <iceroot> linda: like?
[08:39] <linda> iceroot: Software that is not available for 64bit
[08:39] <Hippaforalkus> can it really be right that there are more linux nerds on irc chats than people that actually just chat?!?
[08:39] <llutz_> linda: running 32bit on pc with >4GB is a pointless waiste of RAM
[08:39] <linda> llutz_: Not necessarily
[08:39] <ZekeS> linda: chroot or multilib
[08:39] <llutz_> linda: in every case, even with PAE it is (PAE is crap)
[08:40] <iceroot> linda: amd64 can run i386 software
[08:40] <linda> ZekeS: You are correct, if one is willing to deal with and install a multilib system, yes I agree, you can do anything you want with a 64bit system.  I'll agree with that.
[08:40] <llutz_> Hippaforalkus: on support-channels? yes hopefully
[08:40] <iceroot> linda: also every open-source software is also available as an amd64 built
[08:41] <Hippaforalkus> this one is the channel with most users when i got a channel list
[08:41] <linda> BUT, if one is not dealing with stuff that really needs a 64bit OS, it is a complication that one prolly does not need.
[08:41] <ZekeS> PAE = complication one prolly does not need tbfh
[08:41] <llutz_> Hippaforalkus: this is a support-channel, not for general chat
[08:41] <linda> iceroot: Are you sure?  Last time I checked, that was not the case.
[08:42] <pnorman> I haven't had any complications from using a 64 bit OS. I have had complications using a 32 bit OS
[08:42] <alecjw> oh well, ive got 9am lectures to be at now, bye. thanks for the advice soreau
[08:42] <linda> You can have complications with either.
[08:42] <pnorman> Mainly related to how the heck am I supposed to run this with only 4 GB of ram
[08:42] <linda> Ok, well, this conversation is not leading us to any conclusions, really. so...
[08:43] <linda> Yea, more than 4G is not going to be used that often whether you have 64bit or 32bit os
[08:43] <iceroot> linda: packages maintained from ubuntu are always available for all architectures. they "just" have to built the software for every architecture which is done automaticly by the buildsystem
[08:43] <iceroot> linda: and if you found a software built for 32bit only (like firefox) it will run fine with amd64
[08:44] <pnorman> linda: I go to 8 GB used pretty quickly after startup. I've gone to swap with 16 GB of physical ram
[08:44] <dwarder> how do i make ctrl-c work on other input languages
[08:44] <dwarder> ?
[08:44] <somsip> dwarder: what do you want it to do?
[08:44] <dwarder> to copy
[08:44] <linda> iceroot: 32bit software will only run fine on a 64bit system if you install 32bit libraries.
[08:44] <linda> multiblib
[08:45] <devkorcvince> linda I also have 16GB over kill i7 machine cause I run virtual machines for testing...
[08:45] <iceroot> linda: no
[08:45] <linda> no what?
[08:45] <iceroot> linda: look at firefox for example on amd64 systems
[08:45] <dwarder> somsip: to copy
[08:45] <linda> md64 is different?
[08:45] <iceroot> linda: but even if special libs are needed they come by default,
[08:46] <sln45> soreau: You still there?
[08:46] <linda> but they are needed.
[08:46] <iceroot> linda: so there is no single reason to use i386 anymore when the cpu supports amd64
[08:46] <somsip> dwarder: so you change your input keyboard to a different language and CTRL-C no longer works in the same applications?
[08:46] <linda> simplicity is a reason.
[08:46] <linda> Like I said, if someone is willing to deal with a multilib system, that is fine.
[08:47] <Scarra3> iceroot: So where can I got to find out if my wireless card and webcam work in ubuntu 11.10 x64
[08:47] <dwarder> somsip: yes
[08:47] <dwarder> somsip: well technically it is not ctrl-c anymore
[08:47] <prince_jammys> !hardware | Scarra3
[08:48] <soreau> sln45: Why did you react so hastily?
[08:48] <iceroot> Scarra3: live-cd would give the best answer
[08:48] <sln45> soreau: Huh?
[08:48] <linda> And I'm willing to conceed that it is probably not as difficult as it use to be to install a 64bit system and then try to get 32bit apps to run on it, but you have to admit that a 64bit system is still adding a layer of difficulty on the adverage desktop user.
[08:48] <sln45> soreau: To what?
[08:48] <soreau> sln45: I assume compiz crashed and you had no window borders etc
[08:48] <Scarra3> iceroot: well my wireless card is the Netgear WNA1100 and my webcam is the Microsoft  LifeCam Cinema HD
[08:49] <devkorcvince> linda installing 32bit libs is just simple as inputing sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[08:49] <iceroot> Scarra3: i would suggest to try a live-cd
[08:49] <sln45> soreau: No, the compiz settings manager froze. Er, it thought it was closed, but the window yet filled my screen. Everything is fine now, after two reboots. :\
[08:50] <soreau> sln45: You might want to install compiz-plugins-extra and enable crash handler plugin. Inside, tell it to start a fallback wm and make the command 'metacity --replace'
[08:50] <linda> 64bit has gotten to be probably more easily compatable on Ubuntu, (apparently), but there are still some complications that a desktop can and will run into and this may not be so in the not too distant future. We develope pretty rapidly here in the Ubuntu community.
[08:51] <linda> *that a desktop user can run into
[08:51] <sln45> soreau: I certainly will. But the real irony is that everything but annotate is now working. Annotate is totally ignoring the mouse. The mouse just does its usual mouse thing.
[08:51] <soreau> sln45: What keybinding are you using for it?
[08:52] <Scarra3> ok my wireless card works but it says I have to install the ath9k_htc
[08:52] <Ragnarok> ikonia hey you reckless cocksucker
[08:52] <sln45> soreau: The default, alt + super
[08:52] <soreau> sln45: Alt+Super what?
[08:52] <linda> I'll tell you one thing, it is sitll a prolbem with MS Windows. Lots of legacy hardware will not run on 64bit becasue driver software does not exist - I've seen it with wireless cards on Win7 64bit
[08:52] <sln45> soreau: alt + super + left mouse click
[08:53] <somsip> dwarder: the only things I can find would involve editing your keyboard layout, or running a separate script after changing keyboard layouts to remap the keys you want. I don't have a solution for you.
[08:53] <linda> The situation is probably better here than on win7 (in respect to 64bit compatability).
[08:53] <soreau> Scarra3: It's already installed.. check 'lsmod|grep ath' to see if it's loaded. If not, load it with 'sudo modprobe ath9k_htc'
[08:53] <hiexpo> hey linda thanks for the help earlier i guess i should have plugged some headphones in before > this lappy has defaulty speakers
[08:53] <soreau> sln45: It should work
[08:53] <Browser> hi
[08:53] <sln45> soreau: I know that much. That's why I came to you.
[08:53] <linda> hiexpo: NP
[08:54] <sln45> soreau: Worked a year ago, for sure.
[08:54] <sln45> soreau: As someone who helped improve that function, do you have any thoughts?
[08:55] <Scarra3> soreau: So I should disable the integrated graphics card in the bios then plug in the new one in the PCI Express Slot , Install Ubuntu, then install drivers
[08:56] <soreau> sln45: worksforme even with default compiz 0.9.4
[08:56] <sln45> soreau: I'm sure. But neither the touchscreen nor the mousepad are doing anything.
[08:56] <soreau> Scarra3: The drivers should auto-load if you disable the onboard card and install one in a PCI slot
[08:56] <dwarder> somsip: thanks
[08:57] <hiexpo> is there a way to kill the touchpad on my laptop linda
[08:57] <Scarra3> Well its a NVIDIA GeForce 210 and I was gonna install the drivers from NVIDIA website
[08:57] <sln45> soreau: They each just select an area or click something. The function isn't activated at all. The windows key is the super key, right?
[08:57] <hamed> hamed
[08:57] <JadedJacob> Hi, I'm wanting to back up my windows 7 partition, is this possible using a ubuntu live CD.
[08:57] <hamed> salam
[08:57] <soreau> sln45: yes
[08:57] <sln45> soreau: Oh, hey, maybe my super's the problem. Hold on.
[08:58] <soreau> sln45: Maybe try the other set of Super+Alt buttons
[08:58] <hamed> اینجا باید فقط از لینوکس حرف زد؟
[08:58] <JadedJacob> I have 2 partitions, one for the OS (80GB) and one for storage (420GB)
[08:58] <sln45> soreau: Other set? I have but the one.
[08:58] <soreau> Scarra3: Oh, I thought you were talking wifi chips
[08:58] <sln45> soreau: Tiny keyboard
[08:59] <sln45> soreau: Fits my little hands
[08:59] <hamed> ایرانی نیست اینجا؟
[08:59] <Scarra3> soreau: no my graphics card lol
[08:59] <soreau> sln45: Ah, well maybe try setting it to a different binding like Ctrl+Button1 or something
[08:59] <arrrghhh> !ir | hamed
[08:59] <sln45> soreau: Sure. One sec
[09:00] <hamed> برو بابا
[09:00] <soreau> Scarra3: In that case, it will likely load the nouveau driver by default. You'd have to install the nvidia proprietary drivers if you want to use them, but I'd recommend trying the ubuntu packaged version first
[09:00] <hamed> حوصله داریا
[09:00] <Scarra3> soreau: Why?
[09:00] <sln45> soreau: Zip. How do I debug this function?
[09:00] <soreau> Scarra3: Because installing from the nvidia website can break stuff since the package manager doesn't know what you're doing
[09:01] <arrrghhh> hamed, i'm sorry if i didn't guess the language correctly, but english only here please.
[09:01] <soreau> Scarra3: You'd have to reinstall them every kernel upgrade and manage them manually
[09:01] <sln45> arrrghhh: Try Farsi
[09:01] <Scarra3> Oh so everytime I update the kernel I have to reinstall the drivers?
[09:02] <arrrghhh> sln45, that's the one i guessed lol
[09:02] <JadedJacob> anyone?
[09:02] <sln45> arrrghhh: Arabic then?
[09:02] <EvaStroll> hi, i've a trouble, i've ubuntu 11.04 64 bit with virtualbox 4.1.2, two virtual machine one with windows xp and one with windows server 2008. every two virtual machine network interface are attached by bridge interface on the same physical card. when  windows2008 estabilish a tcp connection with other terminal on the net, it lose some packet (bad checksum) any have idea ?
[09:02] <arrrghhh> sln45, dunno how to make ubottu do that one
[09:02] <sln45> arrrghhh: me neither
[09:02] <arrrghhh> lol
[09:03] <sln45> I can say good morning to the guy
[09:03] <sln45> and thank you and some other pleasantries
[09:03] <pnorman> JadedJacob: Backing up the data from windows should be doable - but if you want to make a backup you an boot off of, windows tends to be a pain to move from drive to drive
[09:03] <arrrghhh> just don't curse at him :P
[09:03] <sln45> The word for "where" is a letter off from a curse word.
[09:03] <soreau> sln45: Try running compiz --replace in your terminal and look for related messages
[09:03] <dwarder> блять
[09:03] <Driiper> Hello! Do anyone know if they introduced some kinda "Sleep" function to 11.10 (Server). when my server stands inactive for some hours/days it i can no longer access it, it takes like 10 minutes for it to reappear to the internetz.
[09:04] <dwarder> oops
[09:04] <soreau> sln45: Or pastebin the output of 'dpkg -l|grep compiz' to pastebin.com
[09:04] <jud> what's the beginners group called?
[09:04] <pnorman> off to bed for me. got enough computational jobs queued up to keep my room warm overnight
[09:05] <soreau> sln45: After restarting ccsm, does annotate remain enabled?
[09:05] <sln45> soreau:http://paste.ubuntu.com/746809/
[09:05] <sln45> soreau: One sec
[09:06] <sln45> soreau: It does
[09:06] <soreau> sln45: remove compiz-fusion-bcop for starters
[09:07] <JadedJacob> hmmmm.
[09:07] <soreau> sln45: then in ccsm>Preferences, do Reset to Defaults (while metacity is running) and then reconfigure compiz. Also make sure FlatFile backend is selected there
[09:07] <jud> beginner here..so, to run this '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' as root, I run 'sudo//etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'?
[09:08] <JadedJacob> pnorman: so I can't just clone the windows partition windows7.img, and then expect to be able to convert windows7.img back to a partition and for windows to boot?
[09:08] <EvaStroll> hi, i've a trouble, i've ubuntu 11.04 64 bit with virtualbox 4.1.2, two virtual machine one with windows xp and one with windows server 2008. every two virtual machine network interface are attached by bridge interface on the same physical card. when  windows2008 estabilish a tcp connection with other terminal on the net, it lose some packet (bad checksum) but the packets aren't lose on the ubuntu interface any have i
[09:08] <EvaStroll> dea ?
[09:08] <soreau> sln45: If ~/.compiz-1 exists, get rid of it too
[09:08] <somsip> jud: need some spaces in there - sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[09:09] <pnorman> JadedJacob: I haven't tried that, so I'm not sure. I just know that when moving windows from drive to drive, expect things to go badly.
[09:09] <jud> space after sudo..that's it? cheers!
[09:09] <somsip> jud: and one less / after sudo...sudo /etc/init....
[09:10] <jud> cool
[09:10] <sln45> soreau: Is flatfile backend a plugin? Where am I supposed to see it?
[09:10] <soreau> sln45: same place you Reset to Defaults
[09:11] <Driiper> Hello! Do anyone know if they introduced some kinda "Sleep" function to 11.10 (Server). when my server stands inactive for some hours/days it i can no longer access it, it takes like 10 minutes for it to reappear to the internetz.
[09:11] <Scarra3> soreau: How do I know if the defualt drivers are working properly?
[09:11] <soreau> Scarra3: What is the output of 'glxinfo|grep renderer'?
[09:11] <Scarra3> I haven't installed ubuntu yet
[09:12] <soreau> well that would be a first step
[09:12] <sln45> soreau: Done! Now I try it?
[09:12] <soreau> Scarra3: If they're working, you should be able to use compiz at least
[09:12] <Scarra3> Kk
[09:12] <Scarra3> thx again
[09:12] <soreau> sln45: Did you reconfigure ccsm and re-enable all necessary plugins?
[09:12] <Scarra3> be back in a few I need to finish downloading ubuntu 11.10 x64
[09:13] <sln45> soreau: Er, I reset it if that's what you mean. Is there something specific I must enable besides annotate?
[09:13] <soreau> sln45: Yes, all the plugins I mentioned earlier
[09:14] <sln45> soreau: I suppose I missed that list.
[09:14] <soreau> sln45: In ccsm, disable everything except Move, Resize, Window Decoration, Application Switcher, Gnome Compatibility and Place Windows (and of course Annotate)
[09:14] <soreau> sln45: conversely, enable those plugins^^
[09:15] <sln45> soreau: Right
[09:15] <christina> ok I removed my HDD from cabinet and then  i put usb drive and  tried to install ubuntu from that to usb drive but setup stopped because of bad cd and now when i try to bot winodws from HDD then it is giving me BOOTMGR missing error and windows aint booting
[09:16] <soreau> christina: That's a question for #windows really, but you'll basically need to restore your boot loader from the windows installation cd
[09:16] <soreau> restore_mbr or something
[09:17] <christina> but why it happens when i tried to install ubuntu in usb drive and that too when HDD was removed form pc
[09:17] <soreau> christina: That's a good question. Maybe windows sucks ;)
[09:17] <christina> :-(
[09:18] <sln45_> soreau: Ugh... everything crashed.
[09:19] <soreau> sln45: Did you enable crash handler with the fallback wm of metacity?
[09:19] <sln45_> soreau: I was going to, but I was in the process of disabling and enabling according to that list.
[09:19] <soreau> sln45_: I told you to do that while metacity was running
[09:19] <sln45_> soreau: What??
[09:20] <sln45_> soreau: Ugh.
[09:20] <sln45_> soreau: You said it long after I had already been looking at the compiz-settings-manager
[09:21] <soreau> sln45_: anyway, when compiz crashes you can just go to tty and run 'DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace'
[09:21] <soreau> then switch back to X
[09:21] <sln45_> soreau: Okay. But when things crashed before, I lost the list of things you'd been saying.
[09:21] <soreau> sln45_: That means your IRC cleint sucks ;)
[09:21] <soreau> client*
[09:22] <sln45_> soreau: So what plugins + how can I set metacity as a fallback?
[09:22] <soreau> sln45_: Do yourself a favor and use a real client like xchat instead of the web interface
[09:22] <sln45_> soreau: I hardly know how to use irc, honestly. I use webchat.freenode.net
 sln45_: You might want to install compiz-plugins-extra and enable crash handler plugin. Inside, tell it to start a fallback wm and make the command 'metacity --replace'
[09:23] <sln45_> soreau: When my boyfriend is back for Winter break, it's the first thing I'll ask him, i promise.
[09:23] <sln45_> soreau: Okay
 sln45_: In ccsm, disable everything except Move, Resize, Window Decoration, Application Switcher, Gnome Compatibility and Place Windows (and of course Annotate)
[09:23] <soreau> That's the last time I'll repeat it
[09:24] <sln45_> soreau: Fair enough. You've been more than patient.
[09:24] <soreau> sln45_: Ask him what? xchat is easy to install..
[09:25] <sln45_> soreau: How to use IRC. It baffles me. I have an easier time playing with C than I do with this, and I have zero background in programming.
[09:26] <soreau> sln45_: xchat is very easy to use. just apt-get install it and ubuntu channel is the default I believe
[09:26] <sln45_> soreau: Anyway, I really appreciate all your help, honest. But I have to call it a night. I've been sick for like three days, I'll try what you said in full later and hope it goes well, otherwise I'll pop into the forums.
[09:27] <sln45_> soreau: Thanks so much
[09:27] <soreau> sln45_: pop into #compiz, it's easier to chat there
[09:28] <sln45_> soreau: Oh, perfect. That's exactly what I'll do. Gosh, I really should have done that in the first place
[09:28] <soreau> sln45_: have a good night, I'm out too
[09:28] <sln45_> soreau: You too, you too.
[09:30] <Phoenix_> hey
[09:30] <Phoenix_> anyone good with gnu license here?
[09:30] <iceroot> Phoenix_: #gnu
[09:32] <proxx> hi all
[09:34] <JadedJacob> Hi.
[09:34] <JadedJacob> I resized my windows 7 partition to setup free space to install ubuntu, now windows 7 won't boot
[09:34] <JadedJacob> Using ubuntu and gparted
[09:35] <mmv> jasonmsp: that's a good thing
[09:35] <jennie> why should i install ubuntu, I am pirated windows user
[09:36] <proxx> jennie; have fun bye bye
[09:36] <jennie> wrong answer
[09:36] <jennie> LOl
[09:37] <proxx> jennie; this is a support channel >> ubuntu-offtopic
[09:38] <jennie> proxx another problem is this , i downloaded ubuntu from website and burn to cd and now when i try to install then installation is giving read error in cd
[09:38] <jennie> should i try  new cd ?
[09:38] <proxx> jennie, yes
[09:38] <proxx> also do a md5 check
[09:38] <dr_willis> check md5 of the iso and cd
[09:38] <JadedJacob> I'm glad I did with no data on it.
[09:38] <dr_willis> !md5
[09:43] <toumbo> Hi people!I just removed my nvdia propetiary driver and I cannot login to my ubuntu desktop anymore.What should i do?
[09:43] <jennie> where is MD5 code of ubuntu, whom i will compare the downloaded file
[09:44] <hiexpo> jennie, usually it is in the iso  but where you downloaded it from also
[09:44] <jennie> i have ubuntu torrent in my pc from ubuntu.com
[09:45] <jennie> i have iso
[09:45] <proxx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[09:45] <hiexpo> jennie, than the md5sum is at there site
[09:45] <dr_willis> torrents also have a verify feature.
[09:45] <proxx> the link is above, next time just use google
[09:46] <jennie> ok thANks a lot
[09:46] <jennie> i got it all
[09:46] <dr_willis> then theres a verify option when you boot the cd i think
[09:48] <proxx> jennie: your welcome
[09:48] <dr_willis> ive used torrents to fix bad iso files in the past also.
[09:48] <proxx> he did
[09:49] <elzoog> Can anyone help me fix my sound?   I was trying to upgrade musescore (among other things) and now I have no sound.
[09:49] <proxx> its offtopic, high download speeds also appear to break files, at least i have with 60mbit connection
[09:49] <dr_willis> speed kills  :-)
[09:50] <elzoog> Can anyone help?
[09:51] <Joeby> I just gots a full degree in computer science. All y'all cans asks me stuffs
[09:51] <Stratisphere> hi all
[09:51] <Joeby> Hi pappy
[09:51] <Stratisphere> anyone around for a bit of licensing advice?
[09:52] <Joeby> Stratisphere, no, but I'll offer an opinion
[09:52] <Stratisphere> work in education and just come across a company that provides a monitoring solution
[09:52] <Flannel> Stratisphere: #ubuntu-offtopic would be a better place for that
[09:52] <jennie> proxx , please explain what you said ""proxx	its offtopic, high download speeds also appear to break files, at least i have with 60mbit connection""
[09:52] <K|nG> Hi there can someone tell me How I can write something without using nano just from Terminal example single line ??
[09:53] <cYmen> echo "hello" > filename.txt
[09:53] <Joeby> K|nG, little program called "vim"
[09:53] <Stratisphere> typical server-client structure, the server is running ubuntu and a number of other open source projects but there is no kind of decleration on their website about it. No credit or anything
[09:53] <Stratisphere> ah rite, okat Flannel
[09:53] <proxx> jennie, when i download files at max speed, i often have to download files 3 times to get the checksum right, but this is offtopic as i said.
[09:53] <K|nG> Joeby: Nop I want to write without using any EDITOR :A just example type commant and create a document with one line on it understand ??
[09:54] <Pumpkin-> "echo SOMETEXT > file.txt"
[09:54] <Joeby> K|nG, I understand you have hostility towards vim
[09:54] <K|nG> Pumpkin-: THANKS you verymuch :Q
[09:54] <proxx> touch example && echo "hi" >> example
[09:55] <SolarisBoy1> echo "hi" > example
[09:55] <K|nG> Prothon: thank you :Q
[09:56] <SolarisBoy1> omg im blind as a bat
[09:57] <gregu> Hi. Can anyone tell me where are "additional" logs for update-manager? After update I can't login to my system. I type my password and it's going back to gdm screen.
[09:57] <gaelfx> I have an asus eee pc 1001p and after installing 11.10, I've realised that the mic doesn't work. What's more, the device in sound settings says analog stereo duplex when I know it should be digital. How ca I fix this?
[09:58] <Joeby> gaelfx, install a version known to work with the mike
[09:58] <proxx> gregu:  cat /var/log/apt/history.log  here is the apt log
[10:00] <proxx> gregu; dunno if it helps
[10:00] <vibhav> hi guys
[10:00] <Joeby> proxx, wb
[10:00] <JadedJacob> partimage looks really good, anyone used it
[10:01] <proxx> Joeby; ty
[10:01] <proxx> :)
[10:01] <gregu> I see there Linux kernel was updated, so I have removed fglrx drivers (dpkg -P fglrx*), copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-0 to xorg.conf and still got problems
[10:01] <Joeby> JadedJacob, many times
[10:01] <gregu> Can't login
[10:01] <gregu> what the ...?
[10:01] <daggs-> I've installed python-ply but import lex fails on python, what am I missing? (using 10.04.3)
[10:01] <theadmin> gregu: Try deleting the xorg.conf completely, it will make X auto-configure itself.
[10:02] <Joeby> JadedJacob, it works as advertised if that's your question
[10:02] <Guest90990> eyyyy
[10:03] <Guest90990> ssdfdsssdsssfdfsfs
[10:03] <Joeby> Guest90990, hey Fonzie
[10:04] <gregu> theadmin: I think it have problems with mounting /home with ecryptfs after kernel update
[10:04] <gregu> while gdm starts, it seems to be everything ok with xorg
[10:05] <gregu> don't know
[10:07] <proxx> gregu; so what is your problem? you can get into gdm, but cant login ?>
[10:07] <gregu> proxx: exactly.
[10:07] <gregu> after update
[10:08] <proxx> gregu; can you log in from TTY ?
[10:08] <gregu> proxx: yes
[10:08] <proxx> can you ls ?
[10:08] <gregu> but /home isn't mounted
[10:08] <gregu> yes
[10:08] <bazZzti> does anybody know if it is possible to install firefox on xbmc live?
[10:08] <proxx> gregu; oke, i see so you can actually see and read files ?
[10:09] <gregu> proxx: yes, if I login I can read and write files on root partition /, but /home isn't mounted (ecryptfs)
[10:09] <proxx> gregu; oke, can you manually mount your drive ?
[10:11] <gregu> proxx: if I do that, it says that /home is already mounted, but I can only see "Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop" and "README.txt" in my $HOME
[10:11] <proxx> gregu; oke that sucks
[10:12] <gregu> so it seems to be problem with ecryptfs which doesny decrypt my data after login
[10:12] <gregu> and question is why?
[10:12] <proxx> gregu; I have to admit that i know to little about encrypted drives to give you good advice, can only guess
[10:13] <User77> hi to everybody-
[10:14] <Xribo> /Backtrack
[10:14] <bazZzti> hi
[10:14] <bluesign> how can I change ulimit (open files limit) for every user in ubuntu ?
[10:17] <d34d1y> Anyone know why my cursor theme only works in firefox?
[10:19] <gregu> ecrypt-unwrap-passphrase gives error when I type my password, but with that password I can login to my system
[10:19] <gregu> what's wrong?
[10:19] <d34d1y> Are you typing with numpad?
[10:19] <Scarra3> God ubuntu 11.10 x64 is downloading so slowly
[10:20] <proxx> Scarra3; try torrent
[10:20] <Scarra3> I have and it still at 0.00%
[10:20] <Sjimmie> Scarra3: install it and it's even slower
[10:20] <proxx> lol
[10:20] <theadmin> lol true true
[10:20] <Scarra3> I have 2 networks one is throttled the other one is fine but now I can't even torrent on that one
[10:21] <proxx> Scarra3; whats ur MTU ?
[10:21] <Scarra3> MTU?
[10:22] <proxx> maximum transmission unit
[10:22] <Scarra3> IDK how to tell that
[10:23] <gemunu> I'm running ubuntu 10.04.3 and wanna install GUI grub. Will startup manager does this to me on grub 1.9*. or any alternate?
[10:23] <theadmin> gemunu: There's no such thing as a "GUI grub".
[10:24] <gemunu> burg?
[10:24] <proxx> >> nm-applet >> edit connections >> edit "auto"
[10:24] <theadmin> gemunu: burg is close to that, yeah, but I heard it's broken
[10:25] <Scarra3> proxx: Im in windows that's why im trying to download ubuntu
[10:25] <gemunu> theadmin : any solution. I got a lot of lines of kernel versions on my GRUB.
[10:25] <theadmin> gemunu: You need to remove older kernels
[10:26] <proxx> Scarra3; ow omg, hehe thats what i thought at first, than i thought nah he means, the download speeds are slow lol
[10:26] <proxx> Scarra3; as i said use the torrent
[10:26] <gemunu> I ve done that with ubuntu tweek. but its still there.
[10:26] <Scarra3> I said that my network isn't letting me for some reason
[10:26] <proxx> Scarra3; good luck with that, not gonna support windows here
[10:27] <nils_> when booting I get "mountall: plymouth command failed". Is there a log for mountall and this boot stuff somewhere?
[10:27] <proxx> try another mirror
[10:27] <pangolin> Scarra3: ##windows may be able to help you
[10:27] <pangolin> Scarra3: there is also ##networking you can try perhaps
[10:28] <Scarra3> Brb ill switch to another network and see if that works
[10:28] <varikonniemi> hello, i am once again having problems with a package being held back at apt-get upgrade. Last time i was told to use dist-upgrade and it fixed it, now it also holds back. What now?
[10:28] <gemunu> theadmin: I removed them by using ubuntu-tweek.Its 1.32 or something like that. but there are two kernel versions still out there. 1.35 ,1.36
[10:28] <gemunu> no 2.36
[10:29] <theadmin> gemunu: Err, there's no 1.x kernel unless you're from times around 1990's...
[10:29] <proxx> varikonniemi; did you try apt-get autoclean    >> apt-get clean ?
[10:29] <gemunu> theadmin sry 2.*
[10:29] <skypent> how would I go about clearing my DNS cache in ubuntu?
[10:30] <gunfire007> guys over here what's the battery backup you get on Nvidia optimus technology ?
[10:30] <varikonniemi> proxx, no
[10:30] <proxx> gunfire007 ; backup ? you mean saving ?
[10:31] <proxx> varikonniemi; please try that and rerun update
[10:31] <varikonniemi> proxx, did and did not help
[10:31] <gunfire007> proxx: ya
[10:32] <proxx> gunfire007; saves you a lot of battery , from my own experience + 1 hour at least on my pc
[10:32] <varikonniemi> can i see the reason why a package is "not upgraded" ?
[10:32] <gemunu> theadmin: I ve made a mistake there.Its 2.6.32-33 which I removed. but still *35 and *36 out there on the grub.
[10:32] <theadmin> gemunu: Which one of these do you use?
[10:32] <gemunu> 36
[10:33] <gemunu> theadmin: *.36
[10:33] <proxx> gunfire007; do you have a machine with optimus now ?
[10:33] <theadmin> gemunu: Okay, then sudo apt-get remove linux-{image,headers}-2.6.35* or something like that...
[10:33] <gunfire007> proxx: i am having netbook with optimus
[10:33] <gunfire007> just bought it 2 days back...
[10:34] <gemunu> ok. thanks
[10:34] <proxx> gunfire007; you should use bumblebee for many reasons,
[10:34] <skypent> Anyone know how to clear a DNS cache?
[10:34] <proxx> gunfire007; gives you nvidia support to some extend + battery                    optimus is not officially supported, THANK YOU NVIDIA NOT!
[10:35] <gunfire007> proxx: i think i should give a try to it...
[10:36] <proxx> gunfire007; it runs fine on my machine , make sure to use the PPA :)
[10:36] <Amr0d> Is there anything similar to a Windows Terminal Server where people have their own desktops etc.?
[10:36] <Fudge> hi in regards to grub-update and grub-install, i have lucid on a partition and moved oneiric to another with gparted copy. now i have to use a cd to boot grub from hard drive, i thought after mount -o bind proc sys dev to my lucid partition then chrooting... i could grub-install /dev/sda and grup-update. but i am missing a step. what is the step i am missing?
[10:36] <varikonniemi> hmm, now i found out something relating to why the package is kept back
[10:37] <varikonniemi> spring : Depends: spring-common (= 84.0~11.10~ppa1) but 83.0~11.10~ppa2 is to be installed -- what does it mean?
[10:37] <gunfire007> proxx: can you give some link to it ??
[10:38] <theadmin> varikonniemi: Try this: sudo aptitude install spring (aptitude works better than apt-get most of the time)
[10:38] <Joeby> does it now
[10:38] <proxx> gunfire007; uhm no :P >> google ?
[10:38] <proxx> gunfire007; wait
[10:38] <proxx> gunfire007; i meant the ironhide project
[10:39] <gunfire007> ok which project i should go for ironhide or bumblebee ?
[10:39] <proxx> ironhide
[10:39] <jangirke_> hi how can I use a secure tunnel to a dns server?
[10:40] <jangirke_> *on ubuntu
[10:40] <Joeby> jangirke_, you could ssh tunnel it
[10:40] <varikonniemi> theadmin, aptitude tries to removbe some 100 packages including flashplugin and gcc and so on.. :P
[10:40] <theadmin> varikonniemi: Doesn't sound well... Don't listen to it
[10:41] <varikonniemi> n
[10:41] <iceroot> jangirke_: isnt there ssl for dns?
[10:41] <abhijit> where is the channelf or avant window manager?
[10:41] <iceroot> !alis | abhijit
[10:42] <abhijit> ok
[10:42] <gunfire007> proxx: ok
[10:43] <gunfire007> proxx: does it provide power management
[10:43] <proxx> gunfire007; yes, on or off :P
[10:43] <Anon12832> http://occupyto.org/livestream/ - LIVE POLICE EVICTION OF OCCUPIERS IN TORONTO IN MOMENTS - | timer 1 1 quit http://occupyto.org/livestream/ LIVE POLICE EVICTION IN MOMENTS
[10:44] <gunfire007> than it's cool i should try ironhide than...
[10:44] <jangirke_> Joeby: Thanks for the help
[10:44] <proxx> gunfire007; its off by default and powered on when you actually use it e.g.       "optirun64 glxgears"
[10:44] <jangirke_> her for the others on the channel how to ssl tunnel to a dns server http://zarb.org/~gc/html/udp-in-ssh-tunneling.html
[10:45] <jangirke_> *here
[10:45] <gunfire007> proxx: this would  be really enhancing the battery charge cycle right ?
[10:45] <proxx> gunfire007; this way a new X server instance is ran inside the current X server ,, after you kill it the card goes down
[10:45] <jennie> i downloaded this ubuntu-11.10-alternate-i386 checked MD5 and then burned to one more cd and still it is giving RETRY error in installation :-(
[10:45] <proxx> gunfire007; it really does yes, a lot actually, the nvidia chip sucks battery even when its not used :)
[10:45] <gunfire007> cool
[10:45] <varikonniemi> theadmin, so i can assume this is a problem by the packager, and not on my end?
[10:46] <KamZou> Hello, i've a problem with my DHCP... I'd like infinite leases to my clients...(I set up : default-lease-time infinite; ...) . The "ends" entry in my .leases file show Year 2147 ... So ... Good, but when i restart the dhcpd daemon, the "Ends" entry show thah the lease is valid until 24h later only ... So i've a problem. Could you help me ?
[10:46] <theadmin> varikonniemi: Yeah...
[10:47] <proxx> KamZou; couldnt you try giving them a static lease ?? based on mac. ?
[10:47] <proxx> KamZou; dont remember how though
[10:49] <KamZou> proxx, for specific needs in my company i can't fix (directly on computers/servers the IP ... Or by the Fixed (host..) directive in dhcpd.conf)
[10:50] <jangirke_> I guess that is not what I am looking for.
[10:51] <jangirke_> I want to use a secure tunnel to  a DNS server like google or openDNS
[10:52] <Driiper> Hello! Do anyone know if they introduced some kinda "Sleep" function to 11.10 (Server). when my server stands inactive for some hours/days it i can no longer access it, it takes like 10 minutes for it to reappear to the internetz.
[10:53] <proxx> KamZou; and if you make the lease time ridiculously long say 10 years ?
[10:54] <radu_dude> pls help!!! dual display, flash full screen problem!!! ps help for fix or replace flash!!!! searching forum for 3 days now!!! and still no fix!!!
[10:54] <proxx> radu_dude; known issue, go throw a molotov at the adobe labs
[10:54] <IcePhoenix> hey
[10:54] <IcePhoenix> where can i download boobuntu from?
[10:54] <gaelfx> ok, I've figured out how to get my mic working for Audacity, however, I can't select the same device in Skype nor pavucontrol, how can I fix this?
[10:54] <radu_dude> proxx; can i replace flash with somthing else
[10:55] <radu_dude> ????
[10:55] <optimusM> what if i accidently put a file inside the root folder
[10:55] <optimusM> how do i move it to my home folder
[10:55] <IcePhoenix> ikonia, i found a pic of your mom in boobuntu wallpapers
[10:55] <IcePhoenix> wtf
[10:55] <gaelfx> optimusM: man mv should tell you how to do it
[10:56] <gaelfx> optimusM: and you'll need to use sudo to move it probably (so "sudo mv [options]"
[10:57] <geoffmcc> optimusM: sudo mv filename /home/user/directory
[10:57] <lilleman> My sound on flash and rhythmbox stopped working with the last update of 11.10. It works fine in smplayer. Please help :)
[10:57] <gaelfx> why can't the dialog box in empathy grow beyond one line?
[10:57] <jennie> I want to install ubuntu in usb drive and i do not want dual boot , so if cd aint working then can i do this , extract the ISO to usb and then install it in same USB from USB ?
[10:57] <proxx> radu_dude no not really, have you upgraded to the latest flash ?
[10:57] <optimusM> ok ill try that thank you
[10:57] <luist> how big is a 10.04 mirror?
[10:57] <radu_dude> yes
[10:57] <optimusM> i install ubunutu into virtualbox
[10:57] <radu_dude> proxx; latest update and flsh aid
[10:58] <proxx> radu_dude; coz since a short while, i can use utube on my dual screen , an max on both, but this is on my intel drivers
[10:58] <abhijit> hi. how do i add aps to awn in gnome3? help
[10:58] <proxx> radu_dude; heavily depends on the type of player u use
[10:58] <radu_dude> proxx; i have nvidia gt 9800gt latest drivers
[10:59] <luist> where can i find an rsync server to make a mirror of ubuntu 10.04?
[10:59] <lilleman> The volume control shows sound activity, but n othing comes to my speakers...
[10:59] <proxx> radu_dude; i think your out of luck, is this with all players ??, such a jws, or megavideo ?
[11:00] <gaelfx> lilleman: are you sure you have the right device selected? if you have input selected, then it's outputting to a dummy output
[11:00] <lilleman> gaelfx: There, found it. Switched from HDMI to "Internal Audo Analog Stereo". Very crappy update to f*ck up my settings :/
[11:01] <lilleman> thanks for the help tho :)
[11:01] <radu_dude> proxx; only flsh
[11:01] <gaelfx> lilleman: yeah, no problem, I'm dealing with a bum mic right now, so audio's on my mind
[11:02] <KamZou> proxx, i've just tryed to set a 50 years lease : default-lease-time<PHONE_NUMBER>; When i restart the dhcpd daemon i've this error : dhcpd: write_lease: unable to write lease <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:02] <proxx> radu_dude; what iam trying to say is that this is a flash problem ( thus trow molotov at adobe) but some players, that are based on flash do magically work, try other online videos, thats what iam saying.
[11:02] <radu_dude> proxx; ok thx
[11:04] <proxx> KamZou; weird, i didnt use dhcpd for a long time so im a bit clueless here
[11:04] <gaelfx> empathy suuuuuuucks, I want pidgin back like in the good old days
[11:05] <nils_> gaelfx: you can just keep on using pidgin though...
[11:05] <tuxnani> hi, I get some stack related error these days and most of the work that I wrote, gets lost
[11:05] <tuxnani> any error/bug?
[11:05] <gaelfx> Using audacity, I can find and use my mic, but I can't find or use it in sound settings, how can I fix that?
[11:06] <gaelfx> nils_: yeah, but I'd rather force everyone to use it by default :D
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> gaelfx  only in audacity? if not, open a terminal and type alsamixer
[11:10] <Koenigsegg> Is there a way to find the window type or something for f.ex the screen locked window? I would really like to exclude it from some rules in ccsm..
[11:11] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: well, to be fair, I haven't tried others, but only Audacity lets me select the appropriate device, Skype can only use pulse server
[11:11] <gaelfx> seriously, why does empathy not expand the input box beyond one line?
[11:14] <dibbsy> hi
[11:15] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: totally weird thing, I can't change the selection at all in sound recorder, but sound recorder picks up sound from the mic as well
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> gaelfx  try audacious
[11:16] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: I thought audacious was for playing sounds, not recording them?
[11:16] <MonkeyDust> gaelfx  you're right, i mix the two, sorry
[11:17] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: no problem, happens to everyone
[11:17] <MonkeyDust> webcam tool cheese has sound recording integrated, try that
[11:18] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: good call
[11:27] <Ehsan264> Hi I have a bash scripting Question.I know that ` ` can be used instead of $() and () can be used instead of expr so why can I use $(($x + $y)) and also `expr $x + $y` but I cant used `($x + $y)`
[11:27] <bobtheblueberry> hey
[11:27] <bobtheblueberry> is there a channel for bash scripting?
[11:28] <Ehsan264> ow I dont know
[11:28] <Ehsan264> shall I ask this in a different channel?
[11:28] <bobtheblueberry> I dont know how to make a label for a while loop, silly me
[11:28] <szal> probably #bash or ##bash (/me is in neither, so it's on you to find the correct one)
[11:28] <geoffmcc> bobtheblueberry: #bash i think
[11:28] <bobtheblueberry> thanks
[11:29] <Ehsan264> ok sry guys
[11:29] <Ehsan264> buy
[11:30] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: well, cheese also fails, and not just on the mic front either
[11:33] <Sifrazooy> I have a problem with kubuntu after last update the system don't want to startup any chance that i could remove last updated program
[11:33] <dury> hi there channel :)
[11:34] <quick-> hey i ma getting this error ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) while configuring error for Ldap please hel p
[11:35] <crizzy> == wrong username or password
[11:35] <Sifrazooy> people plz someone help me i want to remove last updated program
[11:36] <quick-> Sifrazooy: wat was ur last updated program ?
[11:36] <quick-> crizzy: i didnt got you
[11:36] <Sifrazooy> quick : actually that's what i want
[11:36] <dury> what's the package to install an application that it's a red line you do it with the mouse in combination with Alt, or Ctrl keys... you know what I mean?
[11:36] <rtaylor> there's a lot of freaking people in here
[11:36] <tuxnani> these days my ubuntu machine goes into some freezed mode woth some terminal like structure, anyone else has such problem?
[11:37] <solid_liq> how do you keep ubuntu from trying to automount a usb device?
[11:37] <gaelfx> I just tried to run apt-get autoremove (because I just installed and removed cheese), but it didn't remove anything, even though I know cheese installed a bunch of extra packages that aren't necessary. How can I get them removed??
[11:38] <Sifrazooy> isn't there any method that i can know last updated program
[11:39] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: apt-get --purge remove <package>
[11:39] <crizzy> Sifrazooy: /var/log/apt/history.log
[11:39] <quick-> Sifrazooy: go to the ubuntu software center youl get all the information about the install update that too categorized
[11:39] <toumbo> How to save file using nano from recovery mode?
[11:39] <gaelfx> geoffmcc: the problem is I'm not sure which packages it installed, since USC is terribly uninformative in that manner
[11:39] <Sifrazooy> crizzy:thnx :D
[11:39] <crizzy> toumbo: ctrl-o + enter
[11:40] <quick-> crizzy: i m creatinf the user for ldap for the 1st time and too the 1st user , where can the passwd be wrong ? Pls hel p
[11:40] <geoffmcc> Sifrazooy: software center / history / updates
[11:40] <geoffmcc> Sifrazooy: software center / history / updates
[11:40] <Sifrazooy> quick: actually i can't do that the only thing i can do is throw the terminal
[11:40] <geoffmcc> oops sorry
[11:40] <toumbo> crizzy got it!!Thanks!!!
[11:40] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: didnt u say it was cheese
[11:41] <crizzy> quick-: no idea, http://nixcraft.com/domain-name-server/17197-ldap_bind-invalid-credentials-49-a.html might help. i don't have that much ldap experience
[11:41] <gaelfx> geoffmcc: yeah
[11:41] <quick-> crizzy:  thanks
[11:42] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: well im not really familar with the package, but the command i gave will remove cheese and any config files, not sure about any other programs it may have installed
[11:44] <gaelfx> geoffmcc: well, the reason I'm wondering about it is that when I first installed it, it said it would take something like 77MB of space, but then after I removed it, I looked at installing it again, and it said that it would take 12MB of space, so I can only assume, that there are some extra files
[11:44] <dury> does anyone install
[11:45] <dury> sorry
[11:46] <dury> does anyone install  the feature that make with mouse red line to indicate something in the desktop
[11:46] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: one sec
[11:46] <dury> how does it call?
[11:47] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: i ran apt-get install cheese and this is list of all that installed, http://paste.ubuntu.com/746930/ . I would say run the command i gave to at least get config files gone, and then check these extra packages to see if still installed
[11:48] <geoffmcc> gaelfx: there may be an easier way, but unfortunatly im not sure of what to do, but at best this will tell you what all extra was installed
[11:48] <dury> has anyone installed the mouse's feature to make red lines in the desktop?
[11:48] <dury> how does it call?
[11:49] <dury> I want to install it
[11:50] <dury> but I don't know the package name... :(
[11:50] <ikonia> dury: I have never even heard of something that does that, let alone know the name of it
[11:50] <SolarisBoy1> i think it was in compiz
[11:50] <bgtr34> hello, new user here i've installed ydl before and ubuntu on ps3. just about to install on laptop through wubi. how do I get ubuntu to recognise my wireless card so i can connect to internetz
[11:50] <SolarisBoy1> *was*
[11:51] <dury> yeah Ikonia there is
[11:51] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: what kind of card?
[11:51] <dury> I don't the name
[11:51] <dury> sorry I don't know the name
[11:52] <bgtr34> geoffmcc i'm not sure it is whatever is in dell 1520 as it came. i think a broadcom but I havent owned a pc in a few years im a little out of touch!
[11:52] <gaelfx> geoffmcc: thanks man, very helpful
[11:53] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: yea, if it dell most likley broadcom. you just need to go to software center and install the firmware-b43-install package, but you will need to have a wired connection to do it
[11:53] <dury> SolarisBoy1: do you know that?
[11:53] <rtaylor> how come all the text is not showing up when people type?
[11:55] <bgtr34> Ok. thats easy enough thanks geoffmcc. One question using WUBI, i havent done an install like this and only doing so because i dont have a blank CD on me. are there any downsides to doing it this way or is it just as good as setting up a seperate partition?
[11:56] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: to be honest i never really gave it much of a chance, i tried it a while back, didnt like something about it but i dont even remember what that was
[11:56] <bgtr34> sorry for clarity, i guess you mean you didnt like wubi?
[11:56] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: do you have a flash drive you can use?
[11:57] <dury> Ikonia: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/files/www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/nodes/2239/ss/doodle.jpg
[11:57] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: i just never really gave it much of a chance, i remember installing it and then just kinda deleted it and partitioned and used iso to install
[11:57] <gaelfx> sound recorder and audacity can both use my mic, but  sound settings doesn't seem to recognize it and pulse definitely doesn't because my mic can't work in skype, so how can I make pulse get wise?
[11:57] <elzoog> Hey guys, I am still having trouble with sound.
[11:57] <bgtr34> somewhere, but can't find. i think I'll try it through wubi first and then go get some CD's im going to give ubunutu and fedora a try and see which I prefer.
[11:58] <gaelfx> elzoog: welcome to the club, what's your particular problem with sound?
[11:58] <kanhiya> help me solve my bluetooth problem
[11:58] <kanhiya> i am very frustrated with this
[11:58] <dury> HOw do I install that feature?
[11:58] <kanhiya> i am using ubuntu 11. 10
[11:58] <kanhiya> bluetooth not working
[11:59] <dury> and how does it call?
[11:59] <kanhiya> it detects device but unable to send or receive files
[11:59] <elzoog> Thanks gaelfx,  I tried updating from musescore 1.0 to 1.1 along with doing some other things.   One of the things I did somehow ruined sound.
[11:59] <gaelfx> kanhiya: does your bluetooth device show up in lspci or lsusb?
[11:59] <luist> how can i sync just lucid repository to make a local mirror??
[11:59] <kanhiya> let me see
[11:59] <elzoog> gaelfx, I tried updating to 11.10 and that didn't fix it.
[11:59] <bgtr34> another probably daft question. i've only installed on a ps3 before, if I partition will I lose all my windows data? i'm guessing there is only one hdd in this dell and that its already partitioned into the 100gb C:/ and the 10Gb or so recovery D:/ can I keep D:\ as I need that to be able to recover windows if anything goes wrong but i kinda want a seperate partition
[12:01] <gaelfx> elzoog: well, I can only assume you've installed alsamixer and checked the channels not being muted that way, right?
[12:01] <MrS1lentcz> hi :)
[12:01] <gaelfx> bgtr34: you could always install on a USB flash drive ;)
[12:02] <gaelfx> bgtr34: and just to be clear, I'm not talking about making a live USB, I mean actually installing it
[12:02] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: yea, wubi is designed for window users to try ubuntu without fear of dataloss
[12:02] <bgtr34> do you mean have nothing on the actual pc?  is that better
[12:02] <elzoog> gaelfx, It looks like nothing is muted
[12:03] <gaelfx> elzoog: ok, what is your audio device in lspci?
[12:03] <bgtr34> I only need to keep D:\ as it has the recovery for windows to restore to factory settings which i did yesterday. Im not worried about losing anything else as there is nothing apart from firefox and pidgin installed so far.
[12:03] <jangirke_> Bye Thanks
[12:03] <kanhiya> gaelfx: it's integrated bluetooth & wifi  , i think so, i am using a laptop & broadcom4313 wireless adapter which also does not perform well on ubuntu 11.10, but bluetooth icon is there on panel & it detect all devices and pair them , asks for DUN connection etc but not able to send or receive files, error code 13 appears
[12:03] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: with wubi ubuntu is installed on c:\ubuntu\disks\root.disk. it does not get installed to its own partition
[12:04] <gaelfx> elzoog: or maybe aplay -l will be more informative
[12:04] <SolarisBoy1> dury: the name of the plugin?
[12:04] <kanhiya> gaelfx: It also says that permission denied(13)
[12:05] <gaelfx> kanhiya: hang on, I'll look into that
[12:05] <elzoog> Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[12:05] <Zpix> hi all
[12:05] <geoffmcc> kanhiya: in reguards to your wifi are you using the b43 driver?
[12:05] <kandinski> can you switch between unity and unity2d without loggig out?
[12:05] <Zpix> I can't shut down in ubuntu 11.10 :(
[12:05] <Zpix> when I want to shut it down it goes to login page!!
[12:06] <bgtr34> in your opinion is wubi then not a true  OS set up but a try before you take the plunge type of thing? i'm intending to make linux whichever flavour I settle on the most used OS on my PC. its an old second hand laptop, but all i need is to be able to type cv's and job apps and browse the web etc. nothing fancy
[12:06] <luist> hey guys… about the packages inside http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/   how do i know which ones are for each ubuntu release?
[12:06] <geoffmcc> Zpix: gear looking icon in upper right, click that and shutdown is last option
[12:06] <dury> SolarisBoy1: the name of the plugin or feature whatever
[12:06] <elzoog> gaelfx, Don't know if that helps.    I said: IT GOES TO LOGIN PAGE instead shut down
[12:07] <gaelfx> elzoog: yeah, definitely need aplay -l, HDA intel has about a thousand and one different chips
[12:07] <geoffmcc> Zpix: yelling is not neccesary
[12:07] <bgtr34> Ok then i dont think i'll bother with wubi and get rid. its not what I'm looking for. thanks for your help guys. i'm off to get some cheap cd's and milk :D
[12:07] <kanhiya> geoddmcc: broadcom sta available in additional driver section, i activated them but performance was drastic so i disable them & switch again to default drivers
[12:08] <bgtr34> assuming most people here are guys...
[12:08] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: if your looking to dual boot though, its always easier to do if you setup windows first, create a partition for ubuntu and then use the installer to do the rest, it will notice your windows and give you a install along side option
[12:08] <Zpix> geoffmcc: it's necessary to read well and then talk about it :)
[12:08] <afeijo> I need to set up an virtual ubuntu desktop, so several thin clients can access it thru RDP, is it possible??
[12:09] <bgtr34> Ok. how do i set that partition up? its been about 10 years since I did that.
[12:09] <glebihan> dury, that's the "annotate" plugin for compiz
[12:09] <kanhiya> i am asking from community, when one thing is running very  well, whether to update it's driver  to a non working situation & why do developer do that
[12:09] <elzoog> gaelfx, Am tempted to reinstall ubuntu, but that would have the pain of fixing bugs the newer versions of ubuntu introduced (such as hidden scrolls)
[12:10] <kanhiya> my bluetooth was working very well in ubuntu 11.04 or earlier versions
[12:10] <geoffmcc> kanhiya: hmm. i have no problems on 11.10. i installed driver using firmware-b43-installer
[12:10] <gaelfx> elzoog: well, to be honest, I usually just reinstall if things get really buggy, but it does seem you should be able to fix it without that
[12:10] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: winxp?
[12:10] <quick-> hey i ma getting this error ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) while configuring the first user  for Ldap please help
[12:10] <dury> glebihan: so... to have that feature in my mouse first I have to install compiz
[12:10] <kanhiya> but ubuntu 11.10  disappontied me except software centre
[12:11] <bgtr34> geoffmcc im on vista.
[12:11] <glebihan> dury, compiz should be installed and enabled by default
[12:11] <kanhiya> geoffmcc: my internet speed was so slow on wifi using STA drivers & connection was also dropping
[12:12] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: i believe it is in administrative tools/computer managment/disk managment/ then you right click on the partitoon and choose shrink and select a size
[12:12] <quick-> hey i am getting this error ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) while configuring the first user  for Ldap please help
[12:12] <bgtr34> OK thanks geoffmcc!
[12:12] <SolarisBoy1> dury "Paint Fire on Screen"
[12:12] <dury> glebihan: all right... I see thanks indeed
[12:12] <geoffmcc> kanhiya: yea i never use those ones, i always use the b43
[12:12] <SolarisBoy1> dury: if you play with the color/appearance setting on the plugin.. it doesn't always look like fire,, it could then look like red lines etc..
[12:12] <glebihan> dury, you're welcome
[12:13] <dury> :)
[12:14] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: no problem
[12:14] <luist> hey guys… about the packages inside http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/  how do i know which ones are for each ubuntu release? i'd like to rsync just the lucid repo
[12:15] <dury> glebihan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhKOB6FIaA  thanks a lot :)
[12:16] <glebihan> dury, you're welcome
[12:16] <glebihan> luist, you cannot use rsync to retrieve only the lucid packages
[12:17] <luist> glebihan: :T
[12:17] <dury> glebihan: great supporter... you are :)
[12:18] <Tonius> h1 all! How make dhcp server use special file for log messages ? Now log mesaggew writing in syslog
[12:22] <fedtobunt> hi there
[12:23] <fedtobunt> hi
[12:23] <norpan> Hi, can someone answer a simple question? I installed a theme from gnome-look, and a new wallapaper appeared in  the wallpaper-selector, but where is that wallpaper stored?
[12:24] <norpan> Its not in /usr/share/wallpapers or usr/share/themes/ either
[12:24] <geoffmcc> Tonius: have a look at http://www.hacktopia.net/wp/force-dhcpd-to-log-to-its-own-file-with-syslog-mg
[12:25] <afeijo> I need to set up an virtual ubuntu desktop, so several thin clients can access it thru RDP, is it possible??
[12:26] <geoffmcc> norpan: did you mean /usr/share/backgrounds or is that your mistake
[12:26] <bgtr34> Ok just about to partition, think i'm doing something wrong here.... On disk0 there are 4 partitions 1at 196mb, then theres C:\ at 100GB and D:\at 10gb then something at the end that is 2.5Gb of seeming redundant space is that supposed to be there?
[12:26] <fedtobunt> I have a question too. I am leaving fedora land and want to backup my soft raid with lvm 40G to single 40G hdd. whats the easiest way to do this?
[12:27] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: yea i always have a little unused space at the end, not a lot
[12:27] <bgtr34> 2.50Gb seems a hefty chunk of that tiny hdd can I reduce it to 1gb safely?
[12:28] <ism3d> ismed
[12:29] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: i couldnt say as i really dont know what it is
[12:30] <bgtr34> ok i'll leave it as is for now. how do i add another partition then for my linux install. I'm thinking 10Gb?
[12:30] <norpan> I found a new wallpaper in the wallpaper-selector when you right click, where is that stored? its not in /usr/share/backgrounds
[12:31] <gaelfx> whenever I open a menu on the top panel, it appears, then disappears for a second and then reappears. How can I fix this?
[12:31] <xskydevilx> Why does Ctrl + Alt + Shift + R  not work on Ubuntu?
[12:31] <geoffmcc> bgtr34: i always right click on c and choose shrink and then set to size. This also may be handled buy the install disk too, but i always setup partition on my own first
[12:31] <fedtobunt> Can someone help here.  I am leaving fedora land and want to backup my soft raid with lvm 40G to single 40G hdd. whats the easiest way to do this?
[12:31] <gaelfx> xskydevilx: what is that supposed to do?
[12:32] <xskydevilx> gaelfx: Record the desktop.
[12:32] <afeijo> :(
[12:32] <xskydevilx> gaelfx: *Records
[12:33] <slide> How can I updated flash 64?
[12:33] <slide> s/updated/update
[12:33] <gaelfx> xskydevilx: well, my best guess is that that's part of gnome-shell, which is no longer included in ubuntu by default
[12:34] <geoffmcc> xskydevilx: are you using unity, as it looks like a gnome shell feature
[12:34] <slide> the ppa that i used to use is now gone
[12:34] <xskydevilx> geoffmcc: Yeah, I'm using Unity. So if that doesn't work, which screen record tool should I use?
[12:35] <gaelfx> slide: I think you can download the .so file and manually place it in the plugins folder (which I can't remember the exact location of offhand)
[12:35] <geoffmcc> xskydevilx: sorry no help to you there, i just looked up the shortcut and found that it was gnome shell
[12:36] <xskydevilx> geoffmcc: which screen record tool should I use?
[12:36] <slide> gaelfx, yea i was hoping for an automated way heh thanks
[12:36] <MonkeyDust> slide  PPA's or non-official sources, you need to contact the person who maintains it
[12:36] <LuCifer> Hello Peple
[12:36] <LuCifer> Can anyone help me here
[12:36] <geoffmcc> xskydevilx: sorry no help to you there, i just looked up the shortcut and found that it was gnome shell. I dont use any screen record software
[12:37] <norpan> geoffmcc: yes i meant that folder
[12:37] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[12:37] <Guest19002> Umm can anyone help me bout
[12:37] <Guest19002> KDE interface
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> !anyone
[12:37] <norpan> geoffmcc: you know where the wallpaper can be stored? it popped up where i chose wallpaper from righ-click dekstop..with all the standard wallpapers
[12:38] <tusharkumar> Guest19002: Tell me the problem
[12:38] <Guest19002> Who you talkin 2
[12:38] <Guest19002> Me?
[12:38] <tusharkumar> Only if you are facing a problem.
[12:38] <Guest19002> OH yes i do
[12:38] <Guest19002> Umm The Audio on backtrack
[12:38] <Guest19002> i dont know hwere to locate it
[12:38] <geoffmcc> xskydevilx: take a look at http://youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCzLoDrFw
[12:38] <szal> do you see anyone else naming themselves 'Guest19002'? ;)
[12:39] <MonkeyDust> backtrack is not supported here
[12:39] <Guest19002> Can you point in the right direction then?
[12:39] <gaelfx> xskydevilx: you might try recordmydesktop from USC. I've never tried it, but it sounds like it should be able to do what you want
[12:39] <MonkeyDust> #backtrack Channel is open.
[12:39] <Guest19002> thank you guys
[12:40] <geoffmcc> norpan: sorry im not sure, i only said something cause i wasnt sure if you just typo'd that directory or if you were in the wrong one, sorry
[12:40] <norpan> geoffmcc: oh, ok. thanks anyway!
[12:40] <geoffmcc> xskydevilx: gaelfx: yea i think that what youtube video i gave url to will have install, but it also gives some other packages for compression and what not
[12:41] <kamilnadeem> I have made a fresh installation of Ubuntu 11.10 using this partition scheme: 2.5gb swap(primary partition), 500gb /home(primary partition) and 20gb /(extended partition). Now is it possible to install another distro and use the same home partition?
[12:41] <tusharkumar> No
[12:41] <tusharkumar> kamilnadeem: No
[12:42] <__G0D__> Backtrack Channel is sooooooooooooooooooooo quite
[12:42] <kamilnadeem> Please may I know why.
[12:42] <tusharkumar> kamilnadeem: Linux uses ext partitions where as windows uses NTFS
[12:42] <kamilnadeem> I know sir
[12:42] <HerrBlume> hello, i would like to add addional packages to my ubuntu installation, where do i have to put them
[12:42] <kamilnadeem> I will not format it
[12:43] <tusharkumar> There is one common partition... FAT32
[12:44] <kamilnadeem> like I want to install, luninux OS , so I use the swap there , the 500gb home part(w/o formating_ and a new 20gb/(for root)?
[12:44] <geoffmcc> tusharkumar: he wants to install another distro , not window
[12:44] <kamilnadeem> geoffmcc: Yes
[12:44] <HerrBlume> no i want to modify the installation cd
[12:44] <kamilnadeem> geoffmcc: is it possible
[12:44] <geoffmcc> kamilnadeem: sorry, im not sure if you can do that, i was just clarifying your situation
[12:45] <kamilnadeem> geoffmcc: Ok :-)
[12:45] <geoffmcc> kamilnadeem: quick scan of google looks like possible
[12:45] <geoffmcc> kamilnadeem: i searched can two distros use the same home directory
[12:45] <kamilnadeem> geoffmcc: and?
[12:45] <tusharkumar> kamilnadeem: Yes
[12:46] <kamilnadeem> :-)
[12:46] <geoffmcc> kamilnadeem: have a look
[12:46] <kamilnadeem> ok searching
[12:46] <kamilnadeem> brb in 10min
[12:46] <kamilnadeem> urgent work sorry
[12:47] <guzu> hello all
[12:48] <jerenept> Hello #Ubuntu
[12:48] <guzu> can ntfs partitions be mounted with suid option?
[12:48] <guzu> 10.10
[12:48] <jerenept> I do believe so.
[12:49] <kamilnadeem> Yes I
[12:49] <kamilnadeem> was saying that , how to prevent the overwriting of grub when Installing a new distro?
[12:49] <user_> hello
[12:49] <user_> hi
[12:50] <Cipherboy> @kamilnadeem, generally you can prevent it from writing a boatloader
[12:50] <Cipherboy> @user_ what is your question?
[12:51] <guzu> kamilnadeem, install the newer's distro bootloader on it's root/boot partition
[12:51] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: When does one do that, I have installed many distro(both Ubuntu based and other) but I overlooked that part
[12:52] <kamilnadeem> guzu: where does this option comes while installing , sorry If I sound inane?
[12:52] <guzu> it seems that it doesn't work with ntfs-3g suid,exec
[12:52] <guzu> kamilnadeem, this depends on the distro
[12:52] <Cipherboy> Generally you can select in in the install configuration. For Ubuntu, it is right before you click accept to start installing (not sure if that is the right word, lit has been a while since I installed)
[12:52] <kamilnadeem> hmmm.
[12:52] <Cipherboy> *select it in
[12:53] <guzu> kamilnadeem, some don't have it. when it asks to install the bootloader ,it may ask (like in fedora) where to install it
[12:53] <geoffmcc> clear
[12:53] <guzu> kamilnadeem, rumours are grub2 doesn't like this very much
[12:53] <guzu> (installing into partitions boot sector)
[12:54] <Cipherboy> you can select (option in the Ubuntu installation) to not have a bootloader
[12:54] <Cipherboy> Then you just add it to your other install's grub menu
[12:54] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: via update grub
[12:54] <matt123412> Hi, I've got a program called fsl installed, I want to use various tools it has in the command line (for example fslchfiletype can change certain file types etc), but I'm having trouble.  I suspect I need to add the folder containing all these commands to the path, but i tried and whatever i did didn't seem to help.  any ideas?  I can only locate these functions in /usr/share/fsl/4.1/bin , but the bin folder is jsut a shortcut t
[12:54] <guzu> Cipherboy, but you have to install the bootloader's files first, right?
[12:55] <Cipherboy> Depends
[12:55] <Cipherboy> If you have a Linux distro, you shouldn't need to
[12:55] <dr_willis> matt123412:  you mean  the bin dir is a link somewhere else?
[12:55] <Cipherboy> Else if you are chainloading another boot loader, it will work.
[12:55] <guzu> Cipherboy, rfom my experience, not installing the bootloader may mean not installing grub*
[12:55] <matt123412> like when you create a folder shortcut on teh desktop
[12:55] <matt123412> with the swoopign arrow
[12:56] <Cipherboy> Wait, eoesn't he already have a Linux os installed?
[12:56] <Cipherboy> And he wanted to add another distro in addition to it?
[12:56] <guzu> Cipherboy, good point
[12:56] <kamilnadeem> So I say install the bootloader in the root folder of the distro being installed then updating grub from my main Ubuntu 11.10?
[12:57] <Cipherboy> No, you should be able to select no bootloader when you install the second os.
[12:57] <Cipherboy> Then in Ubuntu you run update-grub (with sudo)
[12:57] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: Ok
[12:57] <Cipherboy> What specific distro do you want to install?
[12:57] <dr_willis> matt123412:  use the terminal to see whats in that folder
[12:58] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: :-) I am thinking of luninuxOS , I have actually started a blog about FOSS and it is for that but I am your regular distro tester even before that
[12:58] <kamilnadeem> :D
[12:59] <matt123412> ls /usr/share/fsl/4.1/bin returns the expected list of files
[13:00] <Cipherboy> Kamilnadeem Okay. I was just wondering. I have like 20 CDs myself..
[13:00] <dr_willis> matt123412:  so you need to edit your ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile to add that directory to your PATH
[13:00] <kamilnadeem> I used to install new distro , by cleaning the previous one , then I started keeping multiple distro's and each one updated the previous one, and when I deleted a distro thatI have grub running , getting grub rescue error
[13:01] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: Its all live Usb here, Unetbootin,dd :-)
[13:01] <matt123412> sorry to ask what's probably blindingly obvious, but how do i go about doing that?
[13:01] <nasso_> does anyone know where i can find the application gnome-screensaver-preferences in xubuntu 11.10?
[13:01] <nasso_> (i guess this is not a xubuntu specific question really, just want to know what package it is in)
[13:02] <Cipherboy> Matt123412 open up a terminal and type:
[13:02] <Cipherboy> nano ~/.bashrc
[13:02] <InvaderZim> can someone tell me why in unity my icon files that should be previewed are instead showing just a clock indefinately?
[13:03] <super> hii
[13:03] <matt123412> ok
[13:03] <Cipherboy> Sorry about new line, not used to IRC on the iPad. Scroll down to the end (arrow keys) and add the line:
[13:03] <kamilnadeem> nasso_: I don't use Xubuntu but check here http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=screensaver%20in%20xubuntu&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehow.com%2Fhow_7225016_adjust-screensaver-xubuntu.html&ei=9e7MTvKVKoHwrQf3ppnADA&usg=AFQjCNFPmtfaZQxPKWhS4EiUWAuZ25aPuw&sig2=S0yBjY8LW6IF9ieyjvd6qA
[13:03] <EuroNerd> How do I tell the Update Manager to ignore some updates?  I've chosen not to install a couple (e.g. some related to Braille for the blind), but each time I launch the Update Manager it offers them again.
[13:03] <dr_willis> matt123412:  you may want to read up on BASH sometime soon and how it uses the PATH variable.
[13:03] <kamilnadeem> nasso_: here http://www.ehow.com/how_7225016_adjust-screensaver-xubuntu.html
[13:03] <Cipherboy> PATH="$PATH:/path/to/directory/with/bins"
[13:04] <Cipherboy> Which I don't know where that is off the top of my head (wasn't following your conversation)
[13:04] <szal> EuroNerd: why would you want that?  anything wrong w/ the updated version?
[13:04] <kamilnadeem> sorry for that google shoerade
[13:04] <matt123412> ok, thanks
[13:04] <nasso_> kamilnadeem: thanks. but that is not my problem. i have replaced the default xscreensaver with gnome-screensaver because is have crash-problems with xscreensaver
[13:04] <matt123412> and yes, ir eally do need to learn how this all works
[13:04] <matt123412> mainly using linux to allow me to use some command line stuff on data
[13:04] <matt123412> and see all my ram
[13:04] <dr_willis> matt123412:  some basics of it  (first google hit i saw)  http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm
[13:04] <afeijo> I need to set up an virtual ubuntu desktop, so several thin clients can access it thru RDP, is it possible??
[13:04] <EuroNerd> szal, it's not that there's something wrong with having Braille capability, but I just don't need it.
[13:04] <nasso_> kamilnadeem: i have gnome-screensaver up and running but i cant get to the settings
[13:05] <kamilnadeem> nasso_: mean you are not able to access it
[13:05] <szal> EuroNerd: then uninstall it
[13:06] <dr_willis> afeijo:  should be doable. I do a similer thing only with vnc.
[13:06] <Cipherboy> Sure. What protocol do you have in mind? RDP and VNC are not that secure, VNC+SSL would work, SSH+X11 forwarding is also good.
[13:06] <nasso_> kamilnadeem: i need gnome-screensaver-preferences to change the settings of gnome-screensaver. but gnome-screensaver-preferences was not contained in the gnome-screensaver package
[13:06] <EuroNerd> szal, well, good idea, except I've already uninstalled Gwibber for instance, and yet the Update Manager keeps throwing Gwibber updates at me.
[13:06] <dr_willis> afeijo:  how are the clients connected? local lan?what os are they runnbing?>
[13:06] <afeijo> dr_willis, only vnc? how?
[13:06] <afeijo> dr_willis, local wifi network
[13:06] <dr_willis> afeijo:  i just set up vnc on the server and vnc in as needed
[13:06] <kamilnadeem> nasso_:here http://askubuntu.com/questions/59577/replace-xscreensaver-with-gnome-screensaver-xubuntu, I recommend that you check #xubuntu
[13:06] <guzu> do you hapen to know how to tune a file system so that the reserved space is 100m ?
[13:07] <afeijo> dr_willis, 1 server to multiple clients?
[13:07] <pedrosans> hi all, how can I change the default color scheme of the 'Radiance' in Ubuntu 11.10
[13:07] <dr_willis> guzu:  for ext* you use the tune2fs command
[13:07] <dr_willis> afeijo:  thats how servers normally work. :) yes..
[13:07] <afeijo> dr_willis, AFAIK vnc is to 1 - 1 access
[13:07] <matt123412> i used that document earlier, it seemed to work but executing the command threw up a load of otehr errors saying it couldn't find other files which were present in the same directory
[13:07] <dr_willis> afeijo:  that is incorrect...
[13:07] <dr_willis> t
[13:07] <nasso_> kamilnadeem: you i followed that. but gnome-screensaver-preferences is not in that package. ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/amd64/gnome-screensaver/filelist )
[13:08] <nasso_> i will try #xubuntu
[13:08] <dr_willis> afeijo:  thgeres more to vnc then the limited vink vnc desktop feature of gnome
[13:08] <matt123412> and when i closed and re-opened the terminal it decided it couldn't find the original file again
[13:08] <afeijo> dr_willis, cool, I'll google about it
[13:08] <dr_willis> afeijo:  you could have a dozen+ hidden vnc sessions if you wanted
[13:08] <afeijo> thanks
[13:08] <kamilnadeem> nasso_: yes that will be a better place to find your solution
[13:08] <afeijo> I want 4 to 6, probably
[13:08] <dr_willis> thats how vnc normally works. the share the 'seen' desktop is a special case
[13:08] <szal> EuroNerd: stupid GUI tools, tend not to work as expected (w/ one notable exception on another distro)
[13:08] <nasso_> kamilnadeem: it was there in natty though: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/amd64/gnome-screensaver/filelist
[13:09] <guzu> dr_willis, thank you
[13:09] <nasso_> but not in oneiric
[13:09] <kamilnadeem> nasso_: I can't say about packages , sorry
[13:09] <EuroNerd> How do I tell the Update Manager not to pesk me with Gwibber updates when Gwibber is already uninstalled?
[13:09] <guzu> dr_willis, i see only [ -m reserved-blocks-
[13:09] <guzu>        percentage ]
[13:10] <dr_willis> guzu:  i normally set mine to 0% :)
[13:10] <guzu> ah :)
[13:10] <super> euronerd you can try blacklisting gwibber
[13:10] <guzu> ok, then
[13:10] <guzu> thanks again
[13:10] <MonkeyDust> EuroNerd  is there no ~/.gwibber you can delete?
[13:10] <dr_willis> guzu: [-r reserved_blocks_count]
[13:11] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, should it be directly in the Home folder?  If so, no, it's not there. (And yes, i'm seeing hidden files.)
[13:11] <super> hii... how can i become anonymous online ??
[13:12] <dr_willis> super:  just irc or always?
[13:12] <super> the browser ...
[13:12] <guzu> dr_willis, yes, i've seen that
[13:12] <nasso_> EuroNerd: apt-get purge gwibber
[13:12] <MonkeyDust> super  there's tor, but i have no experience with it
[13:12] <xskydevilx> Does anyone have this problem? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcI-OfPQ3aU
[13:12] <nasso_> EuroNerd: sudo find / -iname gwibber
[13:13] <super> yes always ... anonymous how can i do that ?
[13:14] <dr_willis> theres tor guides online.
[13:14] <dr_willis> !info tore
[13:14] <dr_willis> !info tor
[13:14] <super> tor i too slow and i dont really trust there exit nodes ... is there any other way ??
[13:15] <dr_willis> pay for a vpn
[13:15] <super> can't i configure squid for complete anonymity ??
[13:16] <dr_willis> thats not what squid does
[13:16] <InvaderZim> can someone tell me why in unity my icon files that should be previewed are instead showing just a clock indefinately?
[13:16] <super> then what it does ??
[13:17] <dr_willis> !info squid
[13:17] <dr_willis> squid is just a cacheing  proxy
[13:17] <kamilnadeem> Cipherboy: Thank You once again
[13:17] <kamilnadeem> Bye everyone
[13:17] <super> and what about tinyproxy ??
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> super  i guess being 100% anonymous is quite impossible
[13:18] <gaelfx> when I open a menu from a panel item, the menu flickers before it fully appears, how can I fix that? also, when my computer wakes from sleep, I have to unlock it twice?
[13:18] <dr_willis> any proxy YOU run would be tracked back to you. so you need to  use someone elsews proxy. or clairfy what you are wanting to do
[13:18] <super> what about 99% ??
[13:18] <gaelfx> MonkeyDust: untrue, library computers and really good masks ;)
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> ;)
[13:18] <EuroNerd> nasso_, this is what I got from find: http://paste.ubuntu.com/747006/
[13:19] <super> maybe i need a shell account ...
[13:19] <gaelfx> oh, and underground tunnels that are unknown to any others
[13:19] <jacob11> guys does anyone know is it possible to list all or most domains of .me domain?
[13:19] <jacob11> i need help
[13:20] <nasso_> EuroNerd: ok. i would have tried to install it again and then purge it with apt-get pruge gwibber
[13:20] <super> well i already got one but when i try to run my browser through it i get some errors ...
[13:20] <EuroNerd> nasso_, I'll try that, thanks.
[13:21] <TaZeR> holy shit guys I just installed the new ubuntu with gnome 3 it looks freakin amazing!
[13:21] <EuroNerd> Did anyone notice this weird behavior after recent updates:  When you "stick" a window to the monitor edge, so that it's automatically resized to take up half the screen, you can no longer grab an edge (say, the one in the middle of scr) and resize the window?
[13:21] <super> good for you tazer ... ;)
[13:21] <Gentoo64> TaZeR: nice to see someone who likes it for a change
[13:21] <gaelfx> TaZeR: just wait until you start trying to customize things. that'll learn ya good
[13:22] <TaZeR> i was using 10.04 LTE this entire time!
[13:22] <TaZeR> yea im getting into the customizing a bit now =DD
[13:22] <super> im on 10.04 too
[13:22] <Gentoo64> inb4 cant boot
[13:22] <EuroNerd> ...I wonder if that's a bug or another of Shuttleworth's retarded ideas.
[13:22] <MonkeyDust> EuroNerd  please don't start ranting
[13:23] <gaelfx> TaZeR: btw, I think you're referring to Unity, not gnome 3
[13:23] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, point taken, but do you see the described problem on your system?  Do you have 11.10 with the latest updates?
[13:23] <TaZeR> no i actually installed gnome3 first thing
[13:24] <gaelfx> TaZeR: ah, gotcha
[13:24] <gaelfx> is there any way to set a screensaver?
[13:24] <Oins> Does anyone have experiences  with the Lexmark T430DN printer? Does it works well as network printer with Linux. What's about the printer itself. It is a good choice?
[13:24] <super> gaelfx yes use xwinwrap
[13:28] <jacob11> anyone?
[13:28] <super> hii
[13:28] <digitalfiz> is there a way to make ubuntu reinstall a package complete even the files in /etc/ and such?
[13:28] <digitalfiz> i uninstalled mysql and then deleted /etc/mysql but when i reinstalled it, it didn't put those files back
[13:29] <SolarisBoy> sudo apt-get --reinstall install <package>
[13:29] <InvaderZim> how can I create a vnc session on display :0 (the same I'm logged in locally, I don't want a new display!)
[13:29] <Anomie21> Hi, Just installed ubuntu - can I access my company/domains fileserver anyhow? I can't see it via the file browser.
[13:30] <george> hello. trying to save alsamixer settings returns me this: http://paste.kde.org/149882/   Help please?
[13:30] <EuroNerd> Did anyone notice this weird behavior after recent updates:  When you "stick" a window to the monitor edge, so that it's automatically resized to take up half the screen, you can no longer grab a window edge to further resize it manually.
[13:30] <SolarisBoy> EuroNerd: yes i have
[13:31] <lgp171188> Hi, there is this wonderful puzzle game called Phlipple created by the same person who created Zaz. It is now packaged in debian unstable. Will ubuntu automatically pick up the same downstream or is there some process to be initiated? It'd be awesome to have the game packaged and installable in ubuntu.
[13:32] <EuroNerd> SolarisBoy, OK, so it's not just me, good to know.  Do you think there's any point reporting this as a bug, or is it another Canonical's "features" to drive users crazy?
[13:32] <super> this is the error i get when i try to connect to the ssh server through my browser .. " channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed"
[13:32] <super> how can i fix it ?
[13:33] <SolarisBoy> EuroNerd: I have been contemplating the same questions
[13:34] <MonkeyDust> EuroNerd  i don't like Unity either, so i switched to a different fork
[13:35] <Jezzz> is there an 'ipconfig /flushdns' equivalent in ubuntu?
[13:35] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, I don't think it's Unity as such, it's more about the people who are making some of the user experience decisions.
[13:35] <Jezzz> or linux in general i suppose
[13:36] <digitalfiz> SolarisBoy that did not reinstall the configs
[13:36] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, and as such, I think these should be stigmatised in the public as frequently as possible.
[13:37] <SolarisBoy> whats /etc/mysql?
[13:37] <SolarisBoy> i always thought config started at my.cnf
[13:37] <digitalfiz> the my.cnf and other configs for it
[13:37] <gnagno> hello all
[13:37] <guspur> hi all
[13:37] <SolarisBoy> hmm
[13:38] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, Ubuntu was supposed to be for the "normal" people - not Linux nerds, but casual users switching from Windows. I regard myself as such a person and I'm driven crazy by Ubuntu.
[13:38] <gnagno> I am having an issue after updating from natty to oneiric, I installed gnome shell and when I launch it I still have gnome2 panels...
[13:38] <guspur> some one help me please
[13:38] <SolarisBoy> oh wait.. maybe just without --reinstall... i dont see how it can't install config files and exit succesfully
[13:38] <coz_> gnagno,  did you log off  and then choose gnome under the sessions pull down ?
[13:39] <guspur> how to mount dual layer dvd iso
[13:39] <gnagno> coz_, I even restarted my machine different times...
[13:39] <coz_> gnagno,  well you have to choose gnome in sessions for it to be default
[13:39] <SolarisBoy> mount -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /path/to/mount/folder
[13:39] <SolarisBoy> brb
[13:39] <gnagno> coz_, yes... I choose gnome, but it's loading gnome3 on top of gnome2
[13:40] <coz_> gnagno,  are you sure?  that's odd...ok open a terminal and type     gnome-shell --replace & disown  to see if it gets rid of the gnome 2 panels
[13:40] <super> gnagno : goto system administation and select login screen ...
[13:40] <super> check ur session there
[13:41] <xangua> gnagno: how did you exactly upgrade¿ please don't say "I switch natty to oneiric on my sources.list"
[13:42] <gnagno> coz_, did it... still the same
[13:42] <gnagno> super, it's not a problem of login screen
[13:42] <gnagno> xangua, I used update manager of course :)
[13:42] <theadmin> gnagno: Can you just apt-get remove gnome-panel?
[13:42] <xangua> gnagno: just making sure ;)
[13:42] <super> gnagno: i dont know his complete problem
[13:42] <coz_> gnagno,  no but  check under there anyway.. it does allow you to ch oose  which is the default session
[13:43] <gnagno> I am removing gnome-panel from apt-get
[13:43] <coz_> gnagno,  also would you take a screenshot and upload to picpaste.com ,, I would like to see what this looks like
[13:43] <coz_> gnagno,  you could also try   in terminal   killall  gnome-panel
[13:44] <gnagno> I am pasting on picpaste
[13:45] <gnagno> coz_, here is how it looks like: http://picpaste.com/Schermata_del_2011-11-23_14_43_44-k9C5uG5o.png
[13:45] <dp> what is the latest ubuntu suggested IM client?
[13:45] <coz_> gnagno,  mm  I do see the lower gnome panel there
[13:45] <coz_> wait
[13:46] <gnagno> coz_, there is even the upper gnome panel behind the dark one...
[13:46] <coz_> gnagno,  try in terminal   killall gnome-panel  and tell me that lower panel disapears
[13:46] <theadmin> dp: Ubuntu comes with Empathy by default
[13:47] <gnagno> coz_, yes with killall gnome-panel it disapperared
[13:47] <gnagno> thank you :)
[13:47] <dp> theadmin: thanks. that's what I was looking for
[13:47] <coz_> gnagno,  ok  that might only be temporary.. you can try to log off and back on again to see if they disapear
[13:47] <theadmin> dp: However, I strongly recommend against it, it's interface is bloody confusing, even Finch is easier to use
[13:47] <gnagno> coz_, do you think I should try to restart my session to see if it will reappear?
[13:47] <Dante_> gnagno u can try removing the gnome panels ..
[13:47] <coz_> gnagno,  yes:)
[13:47] <dp> theadmin: any idea if it supports meta contacts like pidgin?
[13:47] <Dante_> apt-get remove gnome-panel
[13:48] <Dante_> if u dont need it anymore (;
[13:48] <theadmin> dp: Does not, it's quite... a broken thing
[13:48] <Dante_> :P
[13:48] <coz_> gnagno,  ubuntu upgrades are consistently inconsistent
[13:48] <dp> theadmin: flail. you know if empathy is the sticking-with client, or are they planning to change it in ubuntu+1?
[13:48] <gnagno> lol... now the gnome3 panel isn't working :)
[13:48] <matt123412> hi, I'm trying to locate my .bash_profile fielto add a directory permanently to the path, but can't find the .bash_profile.  the web succester that it's be in /home/[my username]/.bash_profile or in /root/bash_profile, but i can't locate either, I'm aware that the . prefix probably means it's a hidden file
[13:48] <coz_> gnagno,  oh boy
[13:48] <gnagno> I can't logout :)
[13:49] <gnagno> ok I will restart from terminal
[13:49] <philipballew> Hey, I think I am accdently configured to a proxy. Can someone help me fix this
[13:49] <Dante_> lol..
[13:49] <theadmin> dp: They don't plan to change, and honestly I suggest you just switch away from Ubuntu (pm me if you want to know about other distros, I have tried a lot and I'm sure I can find the right one for you :D)
[13:49] <iceroot> matt123412: ~/.bash_profile
[13:49] <coz_> gnagno,  in terminal    gnome-sessioin-save --kill
[13:49] <iceroot> matt123412: if it does not exist, create it
[13:49] <mcored> i let ubuntu 11.01 extend the partition and install and i got this 1024 misalignment warning msg http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/izip6qcb/750GBHardDiskATAWDCWD7500BPKT75PK4T0.png
[13:50] <matt123412> ok, so I create the document bash_profile
[13:50] <matt123412> add the relevant lines
[13:50] <Dante_> mcored u can't extend ubuntu partition like that :S
[13:50] <theadmin> matt123412: Not just "bash_profile", mind the dot in front of it
[13:50] <matt123412> how do I then make the OS recognise that and add the relevant bits to teh path?
[13:51] <mcored> but thats what ubuntu installer did Dante_
[13:51] <matt123412> already sued in this folder
[13:51] <Dante_> ubuntu can't manage partitions like windows does ...
[13:51] <matt123412> *used
[13:52] <gnagno> thank you for your help guys, now I don't have gnome2 panels anymore :)
[13:52] <coz_> gnagno,  excellent :)
[13:53] <gnagno> I think now I will try unity as well.... I didn't like unity with gnome2 panels on top of it...
[13:53] <Dante_> the partition you assign to ubuntu for installation much be alligned  in the harddisk
[13:53] <luca> Can you help me with default keyword?
[13:53] <coz_> gnagno,  Unity still seems to be split down the middle with who does and does not like it :)
[13:53] <Dante_> it can't even mout disalligned partitions
[13:53] <Dante_> mount*
[13:53] <thrillERboy> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu using wubi with like 10 GB disk, is it possible to resize it to bigger disk now?
[13:53] <matt123412> can anyone tell me how to open and edit the hidden ~/.bash_profile file?
[13:54] <llutz> matt123412: nano ~/.bash_profile
[13:54] <Dante_> no it's not possible thrillerboy ...
[13:54] <thrillERboy> matt123412, in GUI or in command line?
[13:54] <matt123412> command line
[13:54] <Dante_> you need to install it again :P
[13:54] <matt123412> is probably for the best
[13:54] <llutz> matt123412: nano ~/.bash_profile
[13:54] <coz_> llutz,   if you open the home directory and hit ctrl+h  to show hidden files  , it should open in gedit
[13:54] <capcook> with user interface go to your home directory and the press CTRL + h
[13:55] <mcored> i chose "Install Ubuntu side by side with Windows", hit next, and chose the HDD, and it did all the repartitioning automatically
[13:55] <llutz> coz_: tell it matt123412
[13:55] <joseph810> Hello all, I am running ubuntu 10.04 LTS and my internet keeps on logging off. It is a university internet connection and it doesn't happen on my windows side. Do any of you have suggestions? just incase i get logged off my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:55] <matt123412> ok so I've got it open in nano
[13:55] <mcored> btw is it possible to always show Taskbar rather than being auto hidden
[13:55] <thrillERboy> matt123412, then as llutz says nano ~/.bash_profile , Nano comes with ubuntu by default, you can use any of your fav CLI editors instead of nano tho
[13:55] <coz_> matt123412,  if you open the home directory and hit ctrl+h  to show hidden files  , it should open in gedit
[13:55] <Dante_> mcored:  then how you extended the linux partition ??
[13:55] <coz_> llutz,   sorry guy
[13:56] <chen_afsa> test
[13:56] <matt123412> ok, i think i've leave the command line for now and just use gedit
[13:56] <matt123412> thanks
[13:56] <gnagno> coz_, unity was ugly with gnome2 panels anyway :)
[13:56] <mcored> something Ubuntu installer did for sure because i did nothing with it
[13:56] <capcook> who's bily gates?
[13:56] <dp> theadmin: I'm fine with ubuntu, other than the constantly changing "end goal"
[13:56] <capcook> your not welcome here
[13:56] <capcook> :)
[13:56] <coz_> gnagno,   ok ,, stick to what you like :)
[13:56] <theadmin> dp: Hehe, well, can you PM me? I have some ideas for you.
[13:57] <joseph810> hello
[13:57] <Dante_> hii
[13:57] <joseph810> did someone read my message
[13:57] <coz_> joseph810,  I did not sorry
[13:57] <joseph810> Hello all, I am running ubuntu 10.04 LTS and my internet keeps on logging off. It is a university internet connection and it doesn't happen on my windows side. Do any of you have suggestions? just incase i get logged off my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:58] <joseph810> I just reposted it coz
[13:58] <coz_> joseph810,  that
[13:58] <Anomie21> I found this tutorial on joining a windows domain (https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/336477:how-to-join-a-ubuntu-machine-to-a-windows-domain) but when I try and join the domain I get this error Error: LW_ERROR_ACCESS_DENIED [code 0x00009cde]
[13:58] <coz_> joseph810,  oh, that sounds odd,,, could it be a setting on the university system perhaps?  firewall?  etc?
[13:58] <joseph810> I don't think so
[13:59] <joseph810> noone else is having this problem
[13:59] <joseph810> and I wasnt untill yesterday
[13:59] <matt123412> ok so I can now locate teh .bash_profile and edit ti, it seems I'm not locating teh correct stuff
[13:59] <coz_> joseph810,  mmm.... not sure what that could be,,, I also run LTS here with no issues however not on a university system...
[14:00] <llutz> matt123412: what are you looking for/planning to do?
[14:00] <matt123412> I've installed this program fsl, and it's spread all ove rthe place, but after some searching i found the folder full of commands i want in /usr/share/fsl/4.1/bin
[14:00] <TxEdition>  Anyone know why sound only works in some games on Wine? MW2 sound works perfect each time, but Crysis 2 I can not get the sound to work and WoW will work for a second then crackle and then no sound. I am using Ubuntu 11.10 w/ Wine 1.3.28 If you would like any other info just ask.. I did try the WineSupport channel, but no one there
[14:00] <matt123412> i want to be able to run things like fslchfiletype , which changes certain file types
[14:00] <matt123412> in the commant line
[14:00] <matt123412> *command
[14:01] <bilygates> @capcook oh i'm just here to convert you to the microsoft religion
[14:01] <llutz> matt123412: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/share/fsl/4.1/bin                          add this line to ~/.bashrc
[14:01] <theadmin> TxEdition: I can give you a hint, try this command for running your game: padsp wine /path/to/whatever.exe
[14:01] <matt123412> I tried that
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:01] <matt123412> that then lets me run fslchfieltype, but ti throws up errors saying it can't find otehr stuff
[14:01] <matt123412> which is in the same filder
[14:02] <matt123412> *folder
[14:02] <bahr> damn ... ubuntu has improved a lot sine version 9 and 10 lately :o
[14:02] <bilygates> does anyone know how i can stop ubuntu from getting newer versions of a particular software from the official repos? more specifically, official kernels newer than tuxonice kernels?
[14:02] <bahr> it looks awesome now :D
[14:02] <llutz> matt123412: in that case you have to write wrapper-scripts placed somewhere in your PATH
[14:02] <matt123412> and also
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> bilygates  please tell EuroNerd ;)
[14:02] <matt123412> as soon if i close and re-open the terminal
[14:02] <matt123412> it's forgotton the path again
[14:03] <MonkeyDust> bahr   please tell EuroNerd ;)
[14:03] <xangua> bilygates: compile it yourself
[14:03] <matt123412> i ahve no idea what a wrapper-script is
[14:03] <xangua> !latest | bilygates
[14:03] <matt123412> i probably shouldn't be using linux in the first place, but it should make my life a lot easier with data processing
[14:04] <EuroNerd> MonkeyDust, bahr, I totally agree in terms of sheer looks. But functionally it's just a tragedy. And I use this word because this system could really be something - for the normal person (i.e. not a Linux nerd). Instead it's a vanity exercise of a guy who thinks he's the next Steve Jobs.
[14:04] <bilygates> @xangua hmm i think i didn't explain well enough
[14:04] <bahr> Haha I'm gonna tell anyone. I love that everythings seems so well integrated now, developers have really done a great job there
[14:04] <matt123412> also, should saving PATH=$PATH:/usr/share/fsl/4.1/bin   ; export PATH into the .bash_profile file not make that a permenant thing?
[14:05] <bahr> EuroNerd: What functionality do you miss?
[14:06] <bilygates> @xangua i install custom kernels from a ppa, but every once in a while the official repos get a new version, and my custom kernels are being updated to official ones (until the other folks update their ppa)
[14:06] <EuroNerd> bahr - let me give you an example from today, after the recent updates:  When you snap a window to the side of the screen, so that it's automatically resized to fit half the screen, I can no longer grab an edge and resize it further manually.
[14:06] <linda> bilygates: You are notified of updates and you see the list, when you see a kernel image on the list, just uncheck it.
[14:07] <Vanuatoo> I've installed jdk1.7u1 from Oracle site. I'm on livecd now. When I try to run java from terminal it says No such file or directory
[14:07] <linda> bilygates: Is that good enough?
[14:08] <EuroNerd> bahr, I'd like to think it's just a bug, but I'm pretty sure that when I waste an hour to set up an account on Launchpad and fill out the whole elaborate bug report form, it will be ignored for two months and after that someone will tell me that it's a conscious design decision to make things "simpler". And it makes me really angry.
[14:08] <bilygates> i was hoping for a way to "ban" kernels from the official repos, or something like that :s
[14:08] <edbian> EuroNerd: hahahaha, welcome to open source software!
[14:08] <xangua> bilygates: then complain with the ppa maintainers ;) and is not like the kernel is uninstalled, is still there and you can select it on your Grub
[14:09] <chmd> Hello
[14:10] <linda> bilygates: Well, maybe someone else knows how, but I don't.
[14:10] <EuroNerd> edbian: I know, which is why I will discourage my friends from picking up Ubuntu (or Linux altogether since there's probably no better alternative).  I'll switch back to Windows for getting things done and perhaps set up a Linux machine on the side for things where security is essential (on-line banking etc.).
[14:10] <guzu> bilygates, i know that in yum you can tell it to exclude certain packages from upgrade, and also you can give priority to some repos, maybe something similar exists for apt
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> EuroNerd  let your friends "start" with Linux Mint
[14:11] <edbian> EuroNerd: well now I didn't say linux is useless.  I got ALL of my work done on linux.  Of course I'm a computer science major
[14:11] <edbian> EuroNerd: indeed, mint is the new ubuntu
[14:11] <bahr> EuroNerd: Well isn't that the way development works? Not everyone can be made happy? I would consider your issue a minor thing, cause I don't really use it, opposed to you, who naturaly consider this a major issue. I  don't think you ever can make every people happy, and with such a wide ranging distro like Ubuntu, compromises and design decisions are made all the time, and sometimes some users just don't like it
[14:11] <linda> EuroNerd: I didn't understand what your complaint was.  And I'm curious.
[14:11] <Vanuatoo> Can anyone tell me why I can't run java?
[14:11] <Raliegh> Anyone here want to help me stress-test my server? It'd be greatly appreciated.
[14:11] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: no
[14:12] <somsip> Raliegh: what sort of server?
[14:12] <linda> EuroNerd: Maybe you just need a different window manager?
[14:12] <edbian> Vanuatoo: what do you mean?  You can only run java programs.  java itself is not runnable (I don't think)
[14:12] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: not with the details we have at the moment
[14:12] <xangua> Vanuatoo: if you mean install oracle/sun java, is no longer on ubuntu official repository and neither parter's
[14:12] <Vanuatoo> iceroot: file is executable
[14:12] <EuroNerd> edbian, nor do I think it's _useless_, just driving me crazy, since I want something that "just works", and doesn't require googling forever for answers and getting my hands dirty in command line.
[14:12] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: jar-file?
[14:12] <Vanuatoo> no
[14:12] <guzu> Raliegh, inquisitor? what kind of stress?
[14:12] <edbian> Vanuatoo: how are you running it?
[14:12] <Vanuatoo> I've unpacked
[14:13] <edbian> EuroNerd: buy a mac
[14:13] <Raliegh> Ubuntu. I just need people to test concurrent connections via my custom Icecast-Flash page. Listen to some nice tunes in the process
[14:13] <EuroNerd> linda, you mean the recent specific problem with windows that I've described?
[14:13] <antnash> Hi guys. I'm getting an error when I open my file manager saying that it's having trouble stating ~/.gvfs Transport endpoint is not connecting
[14:13] <Raliegh> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/player.swf
[14:13] <somsip> Raliegh: could you use ab (apache bench) ?
[14:13] <xangua> Vanuatoo: if you want to install oracle/sun java, there is a PPA for version 6 and manual install instructions for 7 on webupd8 blog
[14:13] <Vanuatoo> I'm running it in the terminal: jdk1.7.0_01/bin/java
[14:13] <xangua> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[14:13] <antnash> I get the same transport endpoint error if I try and cd into ~/.gvfs
[14:13] <iceroot> edbian: sugessting someone to buy a mac is the worst thing a person can do
[14:13] <Raliegh> I'm also trying to collect statistics on my Icecast listener-memory ratio.
[14:13] <edbian> iceroot: hahahah, opinion :)
[14:13] <Vanuatoo> and it does exist
[14:13] <iceroot> edbian: true!!!
[14:14] <iceroot> edbian: :)
[14:14] <Vanuatoo> I'm on livecd now, does it make any difference?
[14:14] <edbian> iceroot: for the record I would never buy a mac.  They're too expensive
[14:14] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: tha is the java-binary.
[14:14] <edbian> Vanuatoo: no, you should be able to run java stuff on the live CD
[14:14] <edbian> Vanuatoo: how are you running it?
[14:14] <bilygates> @xangua @linda @guzu apparently you can do "aptitude hold <package>" so it won't update, but you can't set it for a specific repo. but thank you anyway!
[14:14] <Vanuatoo> I've downloaded tar.gz file from Oracle, unpacked it and try to run it
[14:14] <guzu> np bilygates
[14:14] <Raliegh> No help? Damn, oh wells, lol.
[14:14] <antnash> got it
[14:15] <edbian> Vanuatoo: with ./ ?
[14:15] <linda> Vanuatoo: What is this file?
[14:15] <linda> Vanuatoo: what's it for?
[14:15] <Vanuatoo> Same
[14:15] <EuroNerd> bahr, I don't think it's a big issue either, it's just that there's a gazillion of issues like that and this is just the most recent one. And some of them are very obvious - like the one described. Why on earth would anyone introduce such a limitation? How does it make life simpler for anyone?
[14:15] <Vanuatoo> file java
[14:15] <Vanuatoo> java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped
[14:15] <linda> Vanuatoo: ls -l filename #See if it has executable bit set.
[14:15] <matt123412> Ok, i'm sort fo getting somewhere now
[14:15] <xangua> Vanuatoo: did you see the install instructions in the post i send you¿
[14:16] <edbian> Vanuatoo: what happens when you ./ it ?  errors?
[14:16] <matt123412> editing my ~/.bash_profile file doesn't work, btu if i run FSLDIR=/usr/share/fsl/4.1/ . ${FSLDIR}/etc/fslconf/fsl.sh PATH=${FSLDIR}/bin:${PATH} export FSLDIR PATH in the terminal, it does what it's supposed to do
[14:16] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: that is the real java-binary, you dont want to run it directly
[14:16] <Vanuatoo> ./java: No such file or directory
[14:16] <matt123412> so for whatever reason the terminal isn't reading the ~/.bash_profile when i start it up?
[14:16] <iceroot> Vanuatoo: you want something like /opt/bin/java -jar foo.jar
[14:17] <linda> Vanuatoo: What is the full name of the file?
[14:17] <iceroot> matt123412: #bash
[14:17] <matt123412> does that reload the .bash_profile?
[14:18] <Vanuatoo> linda: /home/ubuntu/jdk1.7.0_01/bin/java
[14:18] <matt123412> no luck
[14:18] <bahr> EuroNerd: well I'm sure there has been some good reasoning behind, ask the developers who made it? Issues arise all the time you know. Maybe you style of use has just been "hit hard" by the recent design decisions made, where others might not experience these issues. There will be such issues all the time, but compared to other linux distributions I think that Ubuntu is one of those that has the fewest amount of "issues"
[14:18] <iceroot> matt123412: that is the channel for bash here on freenode
[14:18] <matt123412> I see
[14:18] <matt123412> thanks,
[14:18] <Vanuatoo> /home/ubuntu/jdk1.7.0_01/bin/java
[14:19] <Vanuatoo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 ubuntu ubuntu 5654 2011-10-03 08:39 /home/ubuntu/jdk1.7.0_01/bin/java
[14:19] <yeats> !botsnack
[14:20] <Anomie21> How do I launch an application in Xubuntu? I read this "To start up the GUI click F2 and enter domainjoin-gui to open up the graphical tool "  // but F2 does nothing?
[14:20] <yeats> Anomie21: do Alt-F2
[14:20] <Anomie21> yeats: ty
[14:23] <G4rb4> linda: did you resolve your graphics problem?
[14:23] <Anomie21> It says I'm joined to my works domain, but how do I mount the network drives onto my PC?
[14:26]  * phlak_user is back
[14:26] <Dante_> how can i install gnome3 on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[14:26] <MrMist1> Hi all
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> Dante_  i think you need a PPA
[14:27] <Dante_> i already got that ...
[14:27] <phlak_user> Dante_: are you stuck someplace in the installation ?
[14:27] <allo> hi
[14:27] <Dante_> i added this repo ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[14:27] <allo> does somebody know a commandlinetool to import a exported network manager (vpn) configuration?
[14:28] <Dante_> i did the apt-get update
[14:28] <Dante_> what i do after that ?
[14:28] <theadmin> allo: Why not use the network manager cli (nmcli)?
[14:28] <phlak_user> Dante_: sudo apt-get install gnome3
[14:28] <allo> theadmin: it does not seem to have options to import vpn-settings?
[14:28] <allo> and the gui lets me import and export settings
[14:28] <allo> so i would like to export them, and import them via cli
[14:29] <Dante_> i guess i tried that but not working .. wait a sec let me try again
[14:29] <allo> because we want to import them automated on fresh installs
[14:29] <xangua> Dante_: if you want gnome3 please upgrade to oneiric
[14:29] <totyko_> j #ubuntu-es
[14:30] <EuroNerd> bahr, I totally disagree. Being able to resize windows is not some fancy pesky wish that I have. If a system suddenly stops supporting it in certain situations because the "visionary" leader of Canonical had some new "idea", someone should be punched in the face.
[14:30] <allo> or maybe any other option to add a vpnc cisco-vpn to the networkmanager via script
[14:30] <Dante_> xangua: but i can't upgrade .....
[14:30] <xangua> Dante_: then download oneiric and install from scratch
[14:30] <iceroot> EuroNerd: what support is stopped?
[14:30] <Ph0en1x> ikonia, JustinBieba says hi
[14:31] <Dante_> i can't migrate from 10.04 ... thats why i just needed to know if it's possible to install gnome3 shell on it ??
[14:31] <Dante_> lts
[14:31] <iceroot> Dante_: it will break the system
[14:31] <theadmin> EuroNerd: It's not Ubuntu's fault, it's GNOME 3
[14:32] <iceroot> Dante_: 11.04 is the first where you can install gnome3 and even there it will break things
[14:32] <Dante_> can't i compile the gnome3 binaries for my system ??
[14:32] <iceroot> EuroNerd: canocial has nothing to do with the fact that gnome2 is stopped from the gnome-project
[14:32] <van7hu> hi folks
[14:32] <dr_willis> Dante_:  it will break the gnome2 thats on the system i belive
[14:32] <iceroot> Dante_: yes as dr_willis said
[14:33] <iceroot> Dante_: the problem is not to install gnome3
[14:33] <EuroNerd> theadmin, may well be, but as a casual user (i.e. one of "those Windows people", whom Ubuntu is supposed to target) I'm not supposed to know that or care about it.
[14:33] <Ph0en1x> dr_willis, hi
[14:33] <MonkeyDust> EuroNerd  now you know ;)
[14:33] <Ph0en1x> any relation to bruce willis?
[14:33] <van7hu> my ubuntu (10.04) system plays welcome sound when I login, but totem and others could not sound, what would be the problem?
[14:33] <Dante_> hmmm... well if i install gnome3 it surely will break a lot of things on my system i guess ..
[14:34] <Dante_> okay.. thanks anyway ... i will do a lil googling about it ...
[14:35] <phunyguy_work> ok, please help me.  This works on all of my other workstations, but one fully updated ubuntu 11.10 PC I can connect to via vino-server, and can see the screen, but I can't control the remote mouse or keyboard.  (NOT set to view only)
[14:35] <phunyguy_work> any ideas?
[14:36] <Floodman> Àâòîð: Ëåòó÷èé Ìûøü
[14:36] <Floodman> Íàçâàíèå: "Ñîëäàòñêàÿ øëþõà"
[14:36] <Zap-W> is there an unofficial repository where I might find packages for 9.04
[14:36] <Floodman> Ñëóæèë ÿ â Çàáàéêàëüå, â çàõîëóñòíîì ãàðíèçîííîì ãîðîäêå, ãäå áîëüøóþ ÷àñòü ñîëäàò è îôèöåðîâ ñîñòàâëÿëè "ëèöà êàâêàçñêîé íàöèîíàëüíîñòè". Â îñíîâíîì, ýòî áûëè àçåðáàéäæàíöû. Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî â íåêîòîðîì îòäàëåíèè îò íàøåé ÷àñòè ðàñïîëàãàëñÿ ñâèíàðíèê, òàêîå ïîäñîáíîå õîçÿéñòâî. Òàì ïîñòîÿííî äåæóðèëè äâà ñîëäàòà, êîòîðûå òàì æå è æèëè â âàãîí÷èêå. Åñòåñòâåííî, ÷òî çà ïîëíîé ìîåé íåñïîñîáíîñòüþ ê âîèíñêîé ñëóæáå ìåíÿ è îòïðàâèëè â ñâèíàðè. Â ñâèíàðêè. Òî åñò
[14:36] <capcook> ??
[14:36] <phunyguy_work> and here we go
[14:36] <pendergast> kick him please
[14:36] <Floodman>      Ïåðâàÿ íåäåëÿ ïðîøëà, â îáùåì-òî, ñïîêîéíî. Òî åñòü, êîíå÷íî, ðàáîòàòü íà ñâèíàðíèêå ìíå ïðèõîäèëîñü îäíîìó - êîðìèòü ÷åòûðåõ ñâèíåé, íîñèòü èì åäó, áåãàòü â ñòîëîâóþ çà çàâòðàêîì, îáåäîì è óæèíîì äëÿ Øàìèëÿ. Øàìèëü íå äåëàë íè÷åãî, îí öåëûìè äíÿìè ãäå-òî ïðîïàäàë, ÷àñòåíüêî âîçâðàùàëñÿ ïüÿíåíüêèì è òîãäà íà÷èíàë ìåíÿ "ñòðîèòü". Ñèëüíî ìåíÿ îí íå áèë, ïàðó ðàç òîëüêî ñòóêíóë ïî ùåêàì, êîãäà ÿ ïîïðîáîâàë åìó ÷òî-òî âîçðàçèòü. Òîãäà îí ïîòðåáîâàë, ÷òîáû ÿ
[14:36] <yeats> !op
[14:36] <jrib1> Zap-W: why?  9.04 is no longer supported
[14:37] <Floodman>      ß óæå ëåã ñïàòü, êîãäà â âàãîí÷èê ââàëèëñÿ âäðûçã ïüÿíûé Øàìèëü. "Ýòî ÷òî òàêîå?- çàîðàë îí - Äæèãèòà íåò äîìà, à áàáà óæå ñïàòü çàâàëèëàñü? Êàòüêà, ïîäúåì, åáàíàÿ ñóêà!" ß âñêî÷èë ñ ëåæàíêè, âñòàë ïåðåä íèì. Îí ñåë íà ëåæàíêó, ÿ îïóñòèëñÿ ïåðåä íèì íà êîëåíè, ñòàùèë ñ íåãî ñàïîãè. À êîãäà ïîñìîòðåë íà Øàìèëÿ, îí óæå ðàññòåãíóë øèðèíêó è äðî÷èë ñâîé äëèííûé ÷ëåí. È ñìîòðåë íà ìåíÿ. È ìîë÷àë. È óëûáàëñÿ. Î÷åíü íåõîðîøî óëûáàëñÿ. ß ñìîòðåë íà íåãî, ïîòîì
[14:37] <capcook> can someone kick him out?
[14:37] <linda> A lot of the window manager complaints are from people that should be on LTS, (imho)
[14:37] <Zap-W> jrib1: I know, still is there?
[14:37] <Floodman>      "Íó ÷¸ ñìîòðèøü,- ñêàçàë Øàìèëü - Æèâîãî õóÿ íå âèäåëà, ÷òî ëè? À Êàòÿ?" ß ìîë÷àë. Òîãäà îí ñõâàòèë ìåíÿ çà ãîëîâó è ïðèòÿíóë ê ñåáå òàê, ÷òî ÿ óòêíóëñÿ ëèöîì ïðÿìî åìó â ïàõ. È òîãäà ÿ ïîöåëîâàë åãî ÷ëåí, ïîòîì ñòàë îáëèçûâàòü, ïîòîì âçÿë â ðîò... "Õîðîøî, áëÿ", - ñêàçàë Øàìèëü. Ïîòîì îí íà÷àë äâèãàòü òàçîì, çàãîíÿÿ ÷ëåí ìåíÿ ÷óòü ëè íå â ñàìîå ìîå ãîðëî, à ïîòîì ìíå â ðîò áðûçíóëà ãóñòàÿ ãîðüêàÿ ñïåðìà.  ß óìûëñÿ âîäîé èç âåäðà è òîæå ëåã ñïàòü.
[14:37] <Zap-W> jrib1: where?
[14:37] <linda> !ops
[14:37] <Floodman>      Óòðîì Øàìèëü êàê íè â ÷åì íå áûâàëî ïîãíàë ìåíÿ â ñòîëîâóþ, ïîòîì ïîåë è óøåë, îñòàâèâ íà ìíå âñþ çàáîòó î ñâèíàðíèêå. Âðîäå áû íè÷åãî íå ñëó÷èëîñü. Íî ÿ áûë òåïåðü Êàòüêîé. Ñîâåðøåííî Êàòüêîé. Ñîëäàòñêîé ñâèíàðêîé.
[14:37] <Floodman>      À âå÷åðîì Øàìèëü ñíîâà âåðíóëñÿ. Íî ïî÷òè òðåçâûé è ñ íèì ïðèøëè åùå äâîå åãî çåìëÿêîâ. Îíè ïðèíåñëè ñ ñîáîé áóòûëêó âîäêè, Øàìèëü ïðèêàçàë ìíå ïðèãîòîâèòü çàêóñêó. Îíè ñèäåëè, ïèëè, ðàçãîâàðèâàëè íà ñâîåì ÿçûêå è ïåðèîäè÷åñêè ðàçãëÿäûâàëè ìåíÿ. ß ñèäåë â óãîëêå. Òàê ìíå ñêàçàë Øàìèëü. "Ñèäè, ïîêà íå ïîçîâó, - ñêàçàë îí. "Ìîæåò, ÿ ïîêà â ðîòó ñõîæó? - ðîáêî ñïðîñèë ÿ. "Ñèäè òóò. Âäðóã ïîíàäîáèøüñÿ, - ñêàçàë Øàìèëü, è ÷òî-òî äîáàâèë ñâîèì äðóçüÿì. Îíè ðà
[14:38] <phunyguy_work> fantastic
[14:38] <phunyguy_work> thanks
[14:38] <bahr> EuroNerd: but the if the removal of the resize feature is due to decisions made in gnome 3, then you are free to change to another window manager. Ubuntu does not force you to use gnome 3. You can't expect a completely different OS to behave similar to Windows. And gnome 3 has made a lot of controversial design decions, and some like them others not. I.e I hate the fact that they removed the minimize button, but I don't feel that I'm a
[14:38] <bahr> llowed to complain about it, cause I'm free to switch to another window manager if I want or an entire new distro. I don't really know why they removed that resizing feature, but because you don't like it, it hardly indicates that it is a bad design decision at all. It just not suits your style of use.
[14:38] <phunyguy_work> (sorry for the repost, my original rolled off the screen quickly thanks to Floodman): ok, please help me.  This works on all of my other workstations, but one fully updated ubuntu 11.10 PC I can connect to via vino-server, and can see the screen, but I can't control the remote mouse or keyboard.  (NOT set to view only)
[14:39] <pendergast> if using wubi, which device do I run grub for? /dev/null0 ?
[14:40] <yeats> phunyguy_work: I would try to run it via the command line to see what error messages are generated (that or look for a log that it may be logging to)
[14:40] <pendergast> sry, /dev/loop0
[14:40] <jrib> Zap-W: you should upgrade to a supported release.  Ubottu will send you instructions
[14:40] <jrib> !upgrade | Zap-W
[14:40] <phunyguy_work> yeats, i would if I could, but I even forgot to install SSH on taht workstation
[14:40] <phunyguy_work> that*
[14:40] <yeats> phunyguy_work: do you not have physical access to the machine?
[14:40] <phunyguy_work> yeats, not at the moment
[14:40] <phunyguy_work> i can see the screen but can't do anything...
[14:41] <phunyguy_work> (remotely)
[14:41] <yeats> phunyguy_work: what about from the client end?
[14:41] <phunyguy_work> yeats, i can't ssh, but I can VNC, and can't control the desktop
[14:42] <yeats> phunyguy_work: what I'm saying is, can you run the program you're using to access the desktop from the command line to see if there are errors? (this is the only way I know to troubleshoot this kind of thing)
[14:42]  * phunyguy_work kicks himself in the face for forgetting to install ssh
[14:43] <phunyguy_work> aww dangit.  I see the issue.  the config on the server end must be set to not allow control
[14:43] <phunyguy_work> because the popup on the server end says that someone is "viewing" not controlling
[14:43] <phunyguy_work> ><
[14:43] <Zap-W> jrib: where is the repository for 9.04
[14:44] <phunyguy_work> so yeats, am I boned?
[14:44] <bahr> Can someone recommend a pdf editor which allows me to highlight text, make lines, bubbles, etc.? The standard one, doesn't really have a lot of features
[14:44] <yeats> phunyguy_work: I can't think of a way you can get to the machine remotely, if that's what you mean
[14:44] <jrib> Zap-W: you keep ignoring my question as to why you want the repositories for some reason.  That's fine.  But I'm going to suggest to you one more time that you should upgrade.  I've sent you the upgrade instructions.  If you read them, you'll see that the repositories are listed as part of the instructions.
[14:45] <Zap-W> jrib: why do you care, I want it
[14:45] <jrib> Zap-W: I care because running an unsupported release is dangerous.
[14:45] <cbird> bahr: pdfedit?
[14:45] <Zap-W> jrib: but it is me who is running why do you care
[14:45] <Zap-W> jrib: heh
[14:46] <JustinSanders> ubuntu runs good on a netbook
[14:46] <jrib> Zap-W: when I provide support, I give advice I would want given to me
[14:46] <G4rb4> bahr, try xournal
[14:46] <Zap-W> jrib: but I didn't ask for an advice
[14:46] <G4rb4> bahr: okular also allows review
[14:46] <jrib> Zap-W: you did :)
[14:46] <Zap-W> jrib: no :)
[14:47] <jrib> Zap-W: anyway, I've given you your answer already
[14:47] <G4rb4> bahr: but okular will install all kde dependencies
[14:47] <JustinSanders> dose anybody know how to get a good driver got a HP Mini 210 touch pad
[14:47] <bahr> G4rb4: ok thanks :)
[14:47] <JustinSanders> its multi-touch but i cant seem to find anyhting for it
[14:48] <dsdssd> :)
[14:48] <dsdssd> :)
[14:48] <martian> Zap-W: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/
[14:48] <pendergast> could someone just confirm that the place for grub is loop0 under wubi?
[14:49] <Zap-W> martian: thank you... god bless
[14:49] <zykotick9> pendergast, there are wubi specific instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[14:49] <pendergast> thanks zykotick9
[14:50] <martian> jrib is right about danger. Security threats won't be patched, but if it's a non-networked box, no biggie.
[14:50] <atlasair> i would like to try awesome, I've installed it, how do i now change the window manager?
[14:50] <jrib> atlasair: at the login screen, you should be able to change your session
[14:51] <Gentoo64> n
[14:52] <GirlyGirl> Hi, I have kubuntu on an ASUS EeePC 1005HA running Kubuntu 11.10.  All fan speed monitoring apps / widgets do not detect sensors on the system. In previous versions, I could monitor the fan speed under ubuntu. Is there any workarround for this?
[14:53] <atlasair> jrib, okay I'll have a look
[14:53] <pendergast> GirlyGirl: previous versions on the same computer?
[14:53] <caddoo> GirlyGirl: you chosen that name to get helped quicker?
[14:53] <GirlyGirl> pendergast: Yes
[14:54] <pendergast> caddoo: my thoughts also ^^
[14:54] <GirlyGirl> pendergast: caddoo This is my usual nick on freenode
[14:54] <pendergast> GirlyGirl: try installing the version from a previous release that worked
[14:55] <GirlyGirl> pendergast: Version of what?
[14:55] <pendergast> the monitoring app that worked
[14:55] <sddssds> :(
[14:55] <GirlyGirl> pendergast: Its same with all monitoring apps
[14:55] <JustinSanders> i think he is saying install a older version on the app, or a older version of kubuntu
[14:55] <Vanuatoo> Ok I've made java work. It seems that when you load ubuntu live cd x64 build, you cannot run 32bit java
[14:55] <pendergast> you said previous versions had it working
[14:55] <Vanuatoo> I've downloaded 64 bit java and now it's running
[14:56] <GirlyGirl> pendergast: Version of Kubuntu not the app
[14:56] <GirlyGirl> Version of the app is same anyways
[14:56] <pendergast> GirlyGirl: I doubt that
[14:57]  * phlak_user changed servers