[12:16] <kwwii_> anyone wanna test the new kdm theme?
[12:18] <Lure> kwwii_: sure
[12:19] <kwwii_> no package, mind you...just files to put in the /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes dir (so make a backup if you want)
[12:19] <Lure> kwwii_: no problem - I go on vacation anyway, so breakage is fine with me ;-)
[12:19] <kwwii_> http://bootsplash.org/kdm.new.tar.gz
[12:19] <kwwii_> lol
[12:22] <kwwii_> Lure: how big is your display? I have not tested it at different resolutions yet, so tell me if all the stuff fits in the box ;-)
[12:23] <Lure> kwwii_: 1920x1200 (15.4" wide LCD)
[12:23] <kwwii_> hehe
[12:23] <kwwii_> perfect test then, it doesn't get much bigger than that :-)
[12:23] <kwwii_> c u
[12:28] <Lure> kwwii_: kdm login screen looks great - much better than old one (even though I liked that one too)!
[12:28] <Lure> kwwii_: maybe that left icon is not that obvious, but otherwise ok
[12:29] <kwwii_> I had quiute a time trying to figure out what icon to use
[12:30] <Lure> kwwii_: it is not easy, as many things are there...
[12:30] <kwwii_> exactly
[12:30] <kwwii_> perhaps just a simple menu would be enough
[12:45] <buzzen> why was the new power manager made in favour of something like "kpowersave" ?
[12:45] <kwwii_> Lure: have a nice vacation
[12:45] <buzzen> and if a user prefers "kpowersave" how is the new manager disabled ?
[12:45] <Riddell> bye Lure
[12:45] <Lure> buzzen: because it was too hard to change powersave to use ubuntu laptop support
[12:46] <buzzen> Lure: ubuntu laptop support
[12:46] <buzzen> ?
[12:46] <Lure> kwwii_: I hope so, but weather forecast says it will be some rough regatta sailing next week ;-)
[12:47] <Lure> buzzen: acpi-support, hotkey-support and all the polish for different models
[12:47] <kwwii_> sailing, now that sounds like fun
[12:47] <Lure> buzzen: powersave is being change in the direction to do less on its own and do more with HAL, but it will take time to refactor
[12:47] <buzzen> im sure my kpowersave commmunicates with acpid
[12:48] <buzzen> ok
[12:48] <buzzen> maybe in 2010 ati will decide to release a driver which supports suspend/resume.
[12:48] <Lure> buzzen: kpowersave communicates with powersave and powersave with acpid, but issue is more in suspend/hibernate hacks that are differenr
[12:49] <buzzen> kpowersave supports suspend and suspend2
[12:49] <Lure> buzzen: I like so stuff a lot in powersave - for example the fact that it is a daemon which also takes care that power is managed if user is not logged in
[12:49] <buzzen> swsuspend
[12:49] <Lure> and also idle time handling
[12:49] <buzzen> Lure: yes. i like that about powersave too
[12:49] <Lure> buzzen: fglrx works nice with my FireGL card
[12:50] <buzzen> Lure: you can suspend ? wow you are very very lucky
[12:50] <buzzen> most people can't :)
[12:50] <Lure> buzzen: yes, I can suspend to RAM or to disk and resume properly
[12:50] <buzzen> i have got suspend to disk working. but i have 1gb ram and laptophd. its not worth it..
[12:50] <buzzen> suspend to ram works if use opensource driver.
[12:51] <Lure> buzzen: did you try with powermanager/ubuntu or just powersave?
[12:51] <Lure> buzzen: interesting - what card exactly do you have?
[12:51] <buzzen> lure: powersave/swsuspend2
[12:51] <buzzen> but fglrx is broken right now on edgy.. or it was when i tried last
[12:51] <buzzen> Lure: ati X700 mobile
[12:51] <Lure> buzzen: it works for me out-of-the-box
[12:52] <Lure> buzzen: this is also what my FireGL V5000 in HP nw8240 reports
[12:52] <buzzen> my friend has ati gfx too. an older radeon and he has same problems as me
[12:52] <buzzen> different laptop
[12:52] <kwwii_> ok, I updated http://bootsplash.org/kdm.new.tar.gz ...in case anyone is interested
[12:53] <buzzen> and reading rage3d forums, many others do.. probably more than don't have problems
[12:54] <buzzen> kwwii_: you took away my beautiful purple/brown.. and gave me bathroom colours..  I need my backdrop back again! can you not package a few up with edgy ?
[12:54] <buzzen> :)
[12:54] <Lure> anyway -> time for bed (really this time ;-))
[12:55] <buzzen> kwwii_: thats a bzip file kwii. you testing us ?
[12:55] <kwwii_> haha, and the first one was a gz
[12:55] <kwwii_> oops, I screwed up and typed j for z
[12:56] <kwwii_> :p
[12:56] <kwwii_> I have done that twice in the last few months
[12:56] <buzzen> kwii. looks good/clean.. i guess it will please. but i still like the more unusual one for knot 2
[12:56] <buzzen> you have to please the masses. so it's a hard job you have
[12:56] <kwwii_> no doubt about that
[12:57] <buzzen> but nice anyway.
[12:57] <buzzen> kwwii_: did anyone report problem with right hand side of screen when "loading up" kde ?
[12:57] <buzzen> kwwii_: i need to test with latest artwork. but i had a problem on my widescreen lcd with corruption before
[12:59] <kwwii_> ouch, nope
[12:59] <kwwii_> it is probably the bug in the ksplash bg
[12:59] <kwwii_> ksplash seems to have problems with certain bg sizes atm
[01:00] <buzzen> it also happened during dapper development. but it was fixed for release..
[01:02] <kwwii_> I am sure we will figure it out before release this time too then :-)
[01:04] <ryanakca> kwwii_: feel like reviewing an iconset (sorry if I've already asked you this, I don't remember...)?
[01:04] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping
[01:05] <kwwii_> ryanakca: which one?
[01:05] <ryanakca> crystal-diamon iirc
[01:05] <ryanakca> yes, crystal-diamond
[01:05] <ryanakca> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3098
[01:06] <ryanakca> kwwii_: it's based on that iconset that's been taken off kde-look, once again, and the crystal iconset
[01:06] <ryanakca> and some others... check the copyright file...
[01:06] <kwwii_> how does one build it, or install it?
[01:07] <ryanakca> pbuilder build kde-icons-crystal-diamond_2.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[01:07] <ryanakca> then dpkg -i the result
[01:09] <kwwii_> I do not have pbuilder installed
[01:10] <kwwii_> ahhhh, those are the linspire icons
[01:10] <kwwii_> not too sure if we would pick them as default when kde decided against it
[01:11] <kwwii_> especially this late into the cycle, when we will be changing for kde4 anyway
[01:11] <kwwii_> ...and I hate those toolbar icons
[01:11] <kwwii_> :p
[01:13] <ryanakca> back, sorry, phone :)
[01:13] <ryanakca> sudo aptitude install pbuilder ?
[01:14] <ryanakca> why did kde decide against the linspire ones?
[01:14] <ryanakca> hate em? why?
[01:14] <ryanakca> toolbar ones being ...
[01:16] <ryanakca> like down on next to the taskbar on the left?
[01:17] <kwwii_> well, I do not like the way they lay
[01:17] <ryanakca> kwwii_: and I'm not even talking about having them as default... just stick them into universe so that if they want them, they have them
[01:17] <ryanakca> ?
[01:18] <ryanakca> meaning (sorry, I never really was anygood in art... at least in the theory and manual parts... )
[01:18] <kwwii_> ryanakca: not sure if a package can be added anymore ... RIddell would know more. Generally, I think we really only need one Crystal styled set but I guess there is nothiing against having an installable package available
[01:19] <ryanakca> they can untill the 28th of september
[01:19] <ryanakca> we already have two of them, but kk, I'll bug him
[01:20] <ryanakca> but first I need to finish touching up my course for classroom tommorow
[01:22] <kwwii_> about time for bed here
[01:24] <ryanakca> See yah :)
[01:27] <kwwii_> night
[01:36] <nixternal> someone feel like directing me a little with a packaging/building issue
[01:36] <nixternal> say i create a package...everything goes good, lintian goes good, test build goes good...but i try to dpkg -i file.deb...and i get the dreaded...
[01:37] <nixternal> packaged depends on soandso
[01:37] <nixternal> soandso not installed
[01:38] <ajmitch> nixternal: how is that a problem?
[01:38] <nixternal> is that OK that it happens?
[01:39] <nixternal> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of schafkopf:
[01:39] <nixternal>  schafkopf depends on libkdegames1 (>= 4:3.5.2); however:
[01:39] <nixternal>   Package libkdegames1 is not installed.
[01:39] <nixternal> dpkg: error processing schafkopf (--install):
[01:39] <nixternal> to be exact...there it is
[01:44] <ajmitch> nixternal: well dpkg doesn't do dependency resolution to grab other packages, which is intentional
[01:45] <nixternal> cool
[01:45] <ajmitch> you can just do apt-get -f install afterwards
[01:45] <nixternal> i up'd to revu..thank you for clarifying that in this stage ;)
[01:45] <nixternal> ya. the -f install works, and i can play the game ;)
[02:06] <Dace> err... isn't there something strange in this  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23568? why does qt4-designer depend on libqt4-dev? :/
[02:06] <Dace> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23568
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Great. Can anything open a docx file?
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:44] <ryanakca> hey bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya ryanakca
[03:49] <DaSkreech> hi bddebian
[04:05] <bddebian> Hello DaSkreech
[04:05] <freeflying> hi bddebian ryanakca DaSkreech
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Hey freeflying
[04:05] <ryanakca> hey freeflying
[04:05] <bddebian> Hi freeflying
[04:08] <ryanakca> G'night freeflying
[04:08] <freeflying> ryanakca: nite :)
[04:09] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: I believe it's under 'Format...' in the conversation window...
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Or not :)
[04:11] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: like 'Bold' 'Italic', 'Font...' 'Font size', etc?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Oh I meant how to disable it
[04:11] <DaSkreech>  Apparently Spellchecking doesn't work with Rich text
[04:13] <ryanakca> Main Window -> Settings -> Configure -> Appearance -> Colors & Fonts -> Formatting Overrides -> Do not show user specified rich text
[04:15] <ryanakca> anywais, I'm off to bed for real now :)
[09:08] <imbrandon> moins all
[09:31] <seaLne> great bug reports quoting kurt about cups
[09:31] <seaLne> lo imbrandon
[09:33] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:34] <seaLne> no information on upstream website or in the code
[09:34] <imbrandon> nice
[09:35] <seaLne> ah handy the program that wants the library has a tutorial about it :)
[09:36] <imbrandon> oh wow /me has to brush up on his bash scritpting
[09:37] <seaLne> don't you mean POSIX compliant scripting so it will work with dash? :)
[09:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:39] <imbrandon> you must have been reading that thread on
[09:39] <imbrandon> -devel ;)
[09:39] <imbrandon> but i think  e.g EDGY="cat /etc/issue |grep 6.10"   and DAPPER="cat /etc/issue |grep 6.06"
[09:39] <imbrandon> is pretty POSIX ;)
[09:42] <seaLne> `cat ... `
[09:42] <seaLne> ?
[09:43] <seaLne> and wouldn't that just be grep 6.10 /etc/issue :)
[09:44] <seaLne> not that i can talk i've done cat foo |less often enough :)
[09:47] <imbrandon> hehe
[09:47] <imbrandon> yea grep would work too, just old habbit
[09:48] <seaLne> cat id probably the most overused command :)
[09:48] <seaLne> is
[09:48] <imbrandon> lsb_release -r would work too
[09:48] <seaLne> have a look at /etc/lsb-release
[09:48] <imbrandon> for that matter
[09:48] <seaLne> ah yeah
[09:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:52] <seaLne> so what does it mean (status wise) if a package is listed in lp but has no current release?
[09:52] <imbrandon> hrm good question
[09:53] <seaLne> its what seems to happen to new packages for $UNKNOWN_PERIOD_OF_TIME
[09:55] <seaLne> it would be nice if it gave you a bit more info such as "this package is waiting to be approved for inclusion" or whatever state it is actually in
[10:48] <imbrandon> seaLne, ping
[10:48] <seaLne> pong
[10:48] <imbrandon> heh this dont look tooo crackfull does it
[10:48] <imbrandon> ISEDGY=`lsb_release -r | grep 6.10`
[10:48] <imbrandon> ISDAPPER=`lsb_release -r | grep 6.06`
[10:48] <imbrandon> if [ "$ISDAPPER" ] ; then
[10:48] <imbrandon>   RELEASE=dapper
[10:48] <imbrandon> elif [ "$ISEDGY" ] ; then
[10:48] <imbrandon>   RELEASE=edgy
[10:48] <imbrandon> fi
[10:48] <imbrandon> ( messing with the amarok install mp3 script to make it support edgy , it defaults to dapper only as is
[10:48] <imbrandon> )
[10:49] <imbrandon> i'll have to make it dep on lsb-release that way , but shouldent be a problem as its installed by ubuntu-minimal
[10:49] <fdoving> imbrandon: 'lsb_release -c'
[10:49] <fdoving> maybe?
[10:49] <fdoving> or -sc
[10:50] <fdoving> ISEDGY=`lsb_release -sc`
[10:50] <imbrandon> ahh yea -sc would work much better
[10:50] <seaLne> yeah that might be easier :)
[10:50] <imbrandon> very true , /me changes now, good catch
[10:51] <fdoving> RELEASE=`lsb_release -sc'
[10:51] <fdoving> that's it.
[10:51] <imbrandon> RELEASE=`lsb_release -sc`
[10:51] <imbrandon> yup
[10:51] <fdoving> :)
[10:51] <imbrandon> makes it nice and simple
[10:51] <imbrandon> since i have to now dep on lsb-release anyhow ;)
[10:52] <imbrandon> but like i said shouldent be a problem as its in ubuntu-minimal
[10:52] <imbrandon> just a pre-caution
[10:53] <fdoving> you could read /etc/lsb-release directly, if you don't want the extra depend.
[10:53] <imbrandon> yea then i would have to grep it and go back to the other way
[10:53] <fdoving> you can simply source it.
[10:53] <fdoving> and use the DISTRIB_CODENAME=edgy set there.
[10:54] <fdoving> if you want RELEASE=$DISTRIB_CODENAME
[10:54] <fdoving> you can have that too.
[10:54] <imbrandon> but if lsb-release isnt installed /etc/lsb-release isnt there anyhow
[10:54] <fdoving> it is.
[10:54] <fdoving> it's provided by base-files.
[10:54] <imbrandon> hrm
[10:55] <imbrandon> so is lsb-release ;)
[10:55] <imbrandon> ubuntu-minimal
[10:55] <imbrandon> so reallly unless someone removeed it ( and 3/4 of the desktop ) it should be ok
[10:55] <fdoving> :)
[10:56] <fdoving> i don't know what's the cleanest way. you decide :)
[10:56] <imbrandon> RELEASE=`lsb_release -sc`
[10:56] <imbrandon> seems senseable
[10:56] <imbrandon> if its a problem we can always change it later but i think it should be fine
[10:57] <fdoving> it's fine :)
[10:58] <imbrandon> it all started with bug 60637
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60637 in amarok "[edgy]  Amarok enabling Dapper-multiverse when downloading codecs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60637
[10:58] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:58] <imbrandon> but uploaded now
[10:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:00] <fdoving> nice one :)
[11:00] <fdoving> it's automagic now? the codec install, nice.
[11:00] <fdoving> i've converted to mpd+kmp
[11:01] <imbrandon> yea Riddell originaly made the install-mp3 script if mp3 support isnt installed when you try to play one in amarok
[11:01] <imbrandon> we've all now touched it a bit
[11:01] <imbrandon> making it better ;)
[11:02] <imbrandon> saves about 50hours a week of support requests ;)
[11:04] <fdoving> indeed.
[11:04] <fdoving> that's great :)
[11:04] <fdoving> any news on the network manager breakage? i just tested to day, and my knetworkmanager still doesn't work
[11:05] <imbrandon> tbh no idea, i dont use network manager at all
[11:05] <imbrandon> hobbsee might know
[11:06] <fdoving> ok. i've converted to wpa_supplicant and good old ifupdown.
[11:08] <imbrandon> woohoo kde updates for kde4 libs ( Riddell must be silently working )
[11:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:10] <imbrandon> WOW i got my firefox icon back by default /me hugs iwj
[11:33] <fdoving> i need a huge powerpc based server for compiling.
[11:36] <imbrandon> i have a poor little ibook i compile for ppc on sometimes ;)
[11:39] <fdoving> me too.
[12:03] <Tonio_> hi
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I confirm your patches to select action works
[12:03] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: except that "open" leads to /media/cdrom0 that is empty :)
[12:03] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon
[12:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: appart from that little issue, that's perfect ;)
[12:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, poke
[12:32] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey cool.  a debian maintainer sent me an email just to say "hey, please resync this package"
[12:33] <imbrandon> hehe yea i got 2 maintainers that do that
[12:33] <imbrandon> pox and someone else
[12:33] <imbrandon> its quite nice
[12:34] <imbrandon> infact pox has gotten to the point he files the sync request ( correctly ) then pings me in email
[12:34] <imbrandon> to ack it
[12:34] <imbrandon> heh
[12:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh strike. seen bug 60637?
[12:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 60637 in amarok "[edgy]  Amarok enabling Dapper-multiverse when downloading codecs" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/60637
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah, you've fixed it
[12:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:35] <imbrandon> yup yup did that a few hours ago
[12:36] <imbrandon> down to 39 amarok bugs now, working through them one by one today
[12:38] <imbrandon> iwj updated firefox too last night, dosent crash anymore , yay \o/
[12:39] <Hobbsee> woo
[12:39] <imbrandon> very, been using it all night
[12:40] <imbrandon> not one crash yet, normaly i have about 50 by now
[12:40] <imbrandon> looks better too, AND has the true ff icon this time
[12:40] <imbrandon> not that blue world thing
[12:43] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:43] <Hobbsee> er, maybe i'll rephrase.  i wonder how stable it is, compared to the mozilla binaries
[12:43] <Hobbsee> which seem to be very stable anyway
[12:44] <abattoir> Riddell: the oem-installer doesnt seem to work in the 20060913.1 build
[12:44] <abattoir> Riddell: http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error.png
[01:15] <Tonio_> re
[01:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[01:15] <Tonio_> just found a little bug in konq
[01:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: it doesn't remember the window size and position...
[01:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: just put it fullscreen, close it and reopen
[01:15] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you confirm ?
[01:15] <Tonio_> if yes I'll report
[01:15] <imbrandon> k hold on
[01:16] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: confirming
[01:16] <imbrandon> yup confirmed
[01:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's very annoying....
[01:17] <Tonio_> I'm reporting and will work on that on monday
[01:17] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.
[01:17] <Tonio_> my girlfriend doesn't want to use it because of that, so she uses firefox......
[01:18] <Tonio_> I WANT her to use konq hehe :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> newbies feedback is very usefull sometimes
[01:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:20] <_Sime_> Tonio_: hi, that media_realfolder.desktop file is still in the konq-plugin package BTW.
[01:21] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hu ????????
[01:21] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay I have to move, will work on that today
[01:22] <_Sime_> I've got version 0ubuntu4 installed. it is still there. :-(
[01:23] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I removed it from the .install file
[01:23] <Tonio_> it shouldn't be there.....
[01:23] <Tonio_> _Sime_: let me check the binary package
[01:23] <imbrandon> well it would still be on an old install
[01:24] <imbrandon> as it wouldent remove the old one
[01:24] <_Sime_>   /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/media_realfolder.desktop
[01:24] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum....... yes I can see it but the debian source package shouldn't install it
[01:24] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I have to check the binary content
[01:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hum, I removed the line but I suspect a /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/* install thing...
[01:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I'll check later, but there is maybe 2 rules installing it, which is packaging issue
[01:27] <Tonio_> _Sime_: It'll be done toonight
[01:27] <_Sime_> thanks
[01:27] <Tonio_> ./konq-plugins.install:debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus
[01:27] <Tonio_> argh !
[01:27] <Tonio_> there are 2 rules installing it yes...
[01:28] <Tonio_> hum, that install file needs cleaning
[01:29] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I just removed one rule, since there shouldn't be 2 rules for the same file, that's a packaging error...
[01:36] <kwwii> hi all
[01:36] <kwwii> so KDM and Ksplash are finished, on to amrok
[01:39] <fdoving> great work :)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> kwwii: nice!  :)
[01:39] <kwwii> :-)
[01:40] <kwwii> if I could find that good looking frenchman, he could package it all for me :p
[01:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:43] <imbrandon> heh kwwii i can do it now too
[01:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yes, GET TO WORK, kthnksbye!
[01:44] <imbrandon> hahah Hobbsee i've been working all last night heheh check the -bugs ML ;)
[01:44] <imbrandon> closed about a bagillion amarok bugs
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i've seen it :P
[01:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i get email notifications of it :P
[01:45] <kwwii> imbrandon: but you don't have such a sexy accent :p
[01:45] <imbrandon> ok , off to grab some dew and to get the ipodslave working "correct"
[01:46] <imbrandon> kwwii, hahaha yea
[01:46] <imbrandon> and her pointy stick
[01:46] <imbrandon> lol
[01:46] <imbrandon> ok brb
[01:46] <Hobbsee> mmm...a blood and guts covered imbrandon - and blood and guts all through his mountain dew, too.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> bet that will be lovely drinking!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you could hardly call me the standard woman.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii: if i was, i wouldnt be involved with this kind of stuff.
[01:48] <kwwii> :p
[01:48] <kwwii> no shit
[01:49] <Tm_T> =)
[01:51] <kwwii> well, when I was 18 I packed a backpack and just kinda walked around europe for a while..ended up staying with lots of Australians and all the women I met used more curse words then I did
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[02:15] <raphink> Riddell: can I upload my new version of moodin + k-d-s now?
[02:23] <Riddell> raphink: sure
[02:23] <Hobbsee> did kwwii have stuff to be added to that?
[02:24] <kwwii> we can wait until I have the amarok theme done as well to add my stuff
[02:24] <kwwii> perhaps the metabar stuff I started as well
[02:25] <kwwii> unless there is a good reason to add it now
[02:25] <Hobbsee> testing purposes
[02:25] <Hobbsee> and new shiny stuff is fun :)
[02:29] <kwwii> well, if you want to...http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-kdm.tar.gz and kubuntu-ksplash.tar.gz
[02:38] <imbrandon> gah i wish i still had my suse install atm
[02:39] <Hobbsee> why?
[02:40] <imbrandon> so i could look at a few conf files they have ;)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:54] <imbrandon> hrm what file determins what konq does with a device when its pluged in Riddell
[02:54] <imbrandon> i set mine a long time ago to never prompt me , now i cant find it
[03:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe, feel free to send me the files by email :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: or you are doing the theme stuff in kds ?
[03:01] <imbrandon> i am but it will be a few hours before i'm ready, no biggie, go ahead
[03:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I can do it now
[03:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon: where are the files ?
[03:02] <imbrandon> i dunno ask kwwii hehe
[03:03] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'em waiting for the files ;)
[03:03] <imbrandon> [07:29]  <kwwii> well, if you want to...http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-kdm.tar.gz and kubuntu-ksplash.tar.gz
[03:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon: thanks, I missed that indeed
[03:08] <Tonio_> imbrandon: wget http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-ksplash.tar.gz 404.......
[03:08] <imbrandon> i  dunno
[03:09] <imbrandon> i'm still messing with this ipod err well trying to
[03:09] <imbrandon> i figure its simple, i'm just overlooking something
[03:10] <kwwii> hehe
[03:10] <kwwii> sorry I was in the shower
[03:11] <kwwii> oh, you know it, baby!
[03:11] <Jucato> lol
[03:11] <abattoir> kwwii: the new usplash looks great :)
[03:12] <kwwii> abattoir: well, it still needs some minor tweaking
[03:13] <kwwii> I think I will reduce the size of the logo
[03:13] <kwwii> or increase the size of the progress bar
[03:13] <Jucato> noooo
[03:13] <Jucato> increase the size of the progress bar and raise it a bit higher :P
[03:13] <kwwii> but using 256 colors is soooooo much nicer
[03:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: should I wait a bit for the ksplash then ?
[03:14] <Tonio_> kdm theme is already in it
[03:14] <Tonio_> ho you're talking about usplash
[03:14] <kwwii> Tonio_: no, we were talking about the usplash
[03:14] <kwwii> exactly
[03:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: hehe, what's the correct link for ksplash.tar.gz ?
[03:15] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-ksplash.tar.gz
[03:15] <Tonio_> the link you gave is invalid
[03:15] <Tonio_> ken, try it ;) error 404
[03:15] <kwwii> shit
[03:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[03:15] <kwwii> I gotta remember that when I make the files from /usr it has the wrong permissions
[03:16] <kwwii> try it now
[03:16] <kwwii> it was actually only spelled wrong :p
[03:17] <abattoir> Riddell: could you please take a look at http://muse.19inch.net/~abattoir/shots/error.png when you are free? thanks.
[03:17] <Tonio_> kwwii: works, thanks
[03:18] <goldenear> hi there
[03:19] <goldenear> I have a big problem since my last dapper upgrade yesterday... the nvidia proprietary driver doesn't work any more :(
[03:19] <goldenear> [17179645.096000]  nvidia: disagrees about version of symbol boot_cpu_data
[03:19] <goldenear> [17179645.096000]  nvidia: Unknown symbol boot_cpu_data
[03:19] <goldenear> Is this a known bug ?
[03:20] <Tonio_> kwwii: shoudln't BaseResolution be synched with the background resol in Theme.rc ?
[03:20] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't know I'm just asking :)
[03:21] <kwwii> Tonio_: I wouild guess so...the ksplash stuff is kinda like magic anyway
[03:22] <Tonio_> kwwii: yep
[03:22] <Tonio_> well we can change that in the future if needed...
[03:23] <kwwii> ahhh, I thought (for some stupid reason) that all of those were commented out
[03:23] <kwwii> guess that needs to exactly fit the size of the wallpaper file
[03:25] <kwwii> erm, Tonio_, that Theme.rc is fscked
[03:25] <kwwii> let me give you a new tar.gz
[03:25] <ryanakca> universe is enabled on a default kubuntu install, right?
[03:25] <Jucato> no
[03:25] <Jucato> afaik...
[03:25] <Tm_T> nope
[03:26] <ryanakca> kk
[03:26] <Jucato> and if you don't have an active/enabled internet connection during installation, all repositories are disabled by default
[03:26] <ryanakca> kk
[03:26] <Jucato> ryanakca: looks like you're our professor for today's/tomorrow's class :)
[03:26] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:26] <Jucato> ah :)
[03:27] <abattoir> on adept?
[03:27] <Jucato> apt
[03:27] <ryanakca> 4h30 down the road...
[03:27] <abattoir> oh ok
[03:27] <Jucato> no one's teaching Adept... :(
[03:27] <ryanakca> finishing touches... no aptitude...
[03:27] <Jucato> ah aptitude nice
[03:27] <ryanakca> I think CoreyBurger is doing adept...
[03:27] <Jucato> last I checked, only synaptic and CLI methods will be discussed
[03:28] <ryanakca> I'm just doing the graphical part... with a reference to the commands for those who would rather use those...
[03:28] <Jucato> ryanakca: btw, realistiK disappeared for a few days, then came back with r3
[03:28] <ryanakca> Jucato: yeah, and then r3 disappeared for a few days, is it back?
[03:28] <Jucato> I haven't checked lately
[03:29] <Hobbsee> those are the icons?
[03:29] <ryanakca> Jucato: I found a sweet icon set based on realistiK... kwwii doesn't like it though.... crystal-diamond
[03:29] <Jucato> heh
[03:29] <Hobbsee> that's already packaged, iirc
[03:29] <Jucato> ryanakca: really?
[03:29] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I can package r3 in a hour...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> nice
[03:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: I updated the ksplash tar.gz
[03:30] <Jucato> well, if kwwii can give us a "beta" of Oxygen... :P
[03:30] <ryanakca> actually, I think I allready have r2 packaged... so just move debian/ over...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:30] <Hobbsee> that's the idea :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: we cant distribute that :(
[03:30] <Hobbsee> however, it's in svn
[03:30] <ryanakca> but then I have to delete the patches and remake them...
[03:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: I put the right file name for the background (although it appears you do not need to) and I added the correct resolution
[03:30] <Jucato> we can't distribute realistiK either...
[03:30] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: why not?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: that's rpobably quicker
[03:30] <ryanakca> Jucato: since when?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: licencing
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ?
[03:31] <Jucato> ah I meant, we can't make realistiK our default...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> because?
[03:31] <ryanakca> Jucato: he downloaded them from KDE-Look, so it's fine
[03:31] <Jucato> because we fall back on Crystal SVG
[03:31] <Jucato> Crystal SVG + realistiK = not a good thing to see...
[03:31] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: yeah, and because we're changing iconsets in kde4 anywais...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> unless realistiK has all the icons
[03:31] <Jucato> yes, unless it has all the icons
[03:31] <Jucato> it still has a lot missing... :(
[03:32] <ryanakca> if it does, I'm all for switching to realistiK... the guy said he had released a pile of icons from r2 to r3...
[03:32] <Jucato> well not that much. he's still missing some actions icons
[03:33] <ryanakca> ah
[03:33] <Jucato> and some apps as well
[03:33] <ryanakca> I like crystal-diamond's systray icons... realistiK doesn't have those...
[03:33] <ryanakca> yet... I don't think
[03:33] <Jucato> but hey, for a one-man team, he's good
[03:33] <ryanakca> He's awesome
[03:35] <Jucato> heh
[03:35] <abattoir> Riddell: i think i found the reason why it doesnt work
[03:35] <abattoir> Riddell: oem-config-gtk is installed not oem-config-kde
[03:41] <Tonio_> kwwii: uploaded :)
[03:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: cool
[03:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: argh ! Background = kubuntu-wallpaper.jpg and the file is called Background.jpg.....
[03:45] <Tonio_> I have to correct this
[03:45] <Tonio_> new upload with correct base resolution too ;)
[03:45] <kwwii> Tonio_: update the tar.gz
[03:46] <kwwii> although, as I mentioned it does not matter if the file is named correctly
[03:46] <kwwii> but in the new tar.gz it is correct
[03:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah ok ;)
[03:47] <kwwii> I guess you missed me saying that I b0rked the last one, and updated the tar.gz eh?
[03:54] <Tonio_> _Sime_: uploaded and this time I checked the binary content, the desktop file isn't in it :)
[03:54] <Tonio_> kwwii: reuploaded, should be ok this time
[04:01] <kwwii> I hope so :-)
[04:02] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu still says that Knot 3 has not yet been released?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it has.  very quietly
[04:03] <Jucato> heh... it didn't go unnoticed in the forums though :P
[04:04] <Hobbsee> true
[04:20] <mornfall> re
[04:21] <mornfall> i heard the magic word ("adept")
[04:25] <abattoir> mornfall: there is a class on the classroom on package management
[04:25] <abattoir> !classroom
[04:25] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[04:26] <mornfall> weeh, interesting :)
[04:26] <abattoir> mornfall: would you like to 'teach' about adept :P ?
[04:26] <abattoir> aah, nvm, they found someone :)
[04:26] <mornfall> not really
[04:27] <mornfall> if it was a formal languages course, i'd be more tempted :-)
[04:28] <Tonio_> imbrandon: concerning konqueror and the window position, I think this is due to the preload session...
[04:28] <Tonio_> the window position isn't saved because it is never closed,....
[04:30] <Tonio_> hum, it looks I can workarround this
[04:31] <Hawkwind> imbrandon: When you wake up and see this, did you have a chance to look at my email ?
[04:36] <kwwii> wow, viper550 said he likes the kubuntu artwork
[04:37] <Tm_T> kwwii: nah, you should buy new glasses
[04:37] <kwwii> hehe
[04:43] <Viper550> Anyone wanna test out the new overlay I made?
[05:24] <Tonio_> kwwii: nice new ksplash, although icons needs to be "reuped" a bit
[05:24] <Tonio_> kwwii: want me to do that ?
[05:26] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, the text really needs to go up like 10-15 pixels
[05:26] <kwwii> Tonio_: but you have to do that in the code, not in the rc file
[05:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: I know :)
[05:27] <Tonio_> moodin patch
[05:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: the K icon needs to go up too no ?
[05:27] <kwwii> cool
[05:27] <kwwii> well, it should really go at the end of the others
[05:28] <kwwii> or leave it where it is, or move it down a bit and we can use a bigger icon or such
[05:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: line up all of them ?
[05:28] <Tonio_> and reup the text, okay I guess what to do
[05:28] <kwwii> yepp
[05:28] <Tonio_> let's go
[05:28] <Jucato> heh
[05:29] <kwwii> hehe
[05:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: how about the stretched background ?
[05:30] <Tonio_> +  //don't scale background, JRiddell
[05:30] <Tonio_> +  QImage* bg;
[05:30] <Tonio_> kwwii: ;)
[05:30] <kwwii> Tonio_: I think that the bg should be sclead, as you say
[05:30] <Tonio_> Maybe I can do it directly
[05:30] <kwwii> hehe, scale it, definitely
[05:30] <Tonio_> removing this
[05:31] <kwwii> why can it only handle jpgs?
[05:32] <Tonio_> kwwii: I think it can handle png too, but if you don't call the file Background.jpg, you have to set the name in Theme.rc
[05:32] <kwwii> ahhhh
[05:32] <Tonio_> that's the trick, but you can call the file as you want
[05:37] <kwwii> Tonio_: but when I gave it a path to the desktop bg in /usr/share/wallpapers it did not work
[05:38] <kwwii> iirf
[05:38] <kwwii> iirc
[05:40] <Tonio_> yes, the file has to be in the same folder
[05:40] <ryanakca> Why is kubuntu blue all of a suden... and the window decorations are plain blue... background is a blue version of the purple one...
[05:40] <Tonio_> but you can name it as you wish
[05:40] <ryanakca> (sorry if it's part of the transition to blue-purple. I just relogged in for the first time in a while)
[05:41] <Jucato> ryanakca: it's bluish purple/puplish blue actually...
[05:42] <ryanakca> Erm... it's identical to dapper from what I see... and the kde-pim stuff is pure blue... not even a trace of purple... just a second, I'll get you a screenshot
[05:42] <Jucato> well, the "welcome/introduction" pages are blue again
[05:42] <Jucato> but the windecos and wallpapers aren't
[05:42] <ryanakca> http://rkavanagh.homelinux.org/~ryan/blue.png
[05:42] <ryanakca> Jucato: sure about that?
[05:43] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyEft/Knot3/Kubuntu
[05:44] <ryanakca> Jucato: that is nothing near to what I'm seeing right here
[05:44] <Jucato> hmm
[05:45] <Jucato> can't get a screenshot now, though...
[05:45] <Jucato> haven't downloaded knot 3 and installed on vmware...
[05:45] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm testing the patch, but I think that should work
[05:45] <Jucato> maybe you should ask kwwii :P
[05:45] <abattoir> ryanakca: the windeco on your ss seems to be plastik
[05:45] <abattoir> ryanakca: ...rather than crystal
[05:46] <abattoir> ryanakca: try changing it to crysta
[05:46] <abattoir> *crystal
[05:46] <Jucato> ah yes..
[05:46] <ryanakca> abattoir: well, I log in, and I get a "KDE 3.5.4 configuration wizard"... so I just go with the default settings...
[05:46] <abattoir> Jucato: kpersonalizer again :P
[05:46] <Jucato> er...
[05:46] <Jucato> that's not supposed to happen on Edgy right?
[05:47] <kwwii> ryanakca: there should be plenty of purple in the default theme
[05:47] <Jucato> but why did kpersonalizer run in the first place?
[05:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: cool, if we fsck it up, we will get a bug, I promise
[05:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: if that doesn't work right you notice it
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: yeah I know
[05:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum, fsck and ksplash ?
[05:48] <ryanakca> Jucato: no clue :)
[05:49] <kwwii> suonds like a funky install to me
[05:49] <Jucato> ooh funky :)
[05:50] <ryanakca> kwwii_afk: nope... same system I've been using since breezy-1 (Hoary I think)... just dist-upgraded from dapper
[05:51] <Jucato> hm..
[05:51] <Jucato> did you upgrade to KDE 3.5.4 in Dapper before you dist-upgraded to Edgy?
[05:54] <ryanakca> erm... I think so...
[05:54] <ryanakca> that was almost 2 months ago
[05:54] <ryanakca> and it was fine before reboot...
[05:54] <Jucato> don't you were probably infected by the KDE 3.5.4-Dapper bug
[05:55] <Jucato> then an upgrade might have installed kpersonalizer
[05:55] <Jucato> activating the bug
[05:55] <ryanakca> ah
[05:55] <ryanakca> and why just now?
[05:56] <Jucato> happened to me too
[05:56] <Jucato> a late activation
[05:56] <ryanakca> ah
[05:56] <Jucato> kpersonalizer was not installed when I upgraded to KDE 3.5.4, but when I installed kde-devel, it got installed and activated the bug
[05:57] <Tm_T> btw
[05:57] <ryanakca> solve my bloody python2.3 problem at the same time
[05:57] <Tm_T> I noticed one funny thing yesterday
[05:57] <ryanakca> "Preparing to replace kpersonalizer 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu19 (using .../kpersonalizer_4%3a3.5.4-0ubuntu20_i386.deb) ..." aha!
[05:57] <Tm_T> when I rebooted, only root partition was mounted
[05:57] <Tm_T> caused some hassle :)
[05:57] <Jucato> ooh
[05:58] <GNUrante> Hi
[05:58] <Tm_T> that was after removing kde-guidance, can't remember what else
[05:58] <Jucato> ryanakca: you just need to comment out something in startkde to prevent kpersonalizer from starting up again
[05:58] <Jucato> Tm_T: Dapper or Edgy?
[05:59] <ryanakca> after tonights course that is...
[05:59] <Jucato> heh
[06:15] <Tm_T> Jucato: edgy
[06:16] <Jucato> ah edgy... :)
[06:16] <Tm_T> Jucato: and all returned to normal after mounting manually and reboot :p
[06:16] <Tm_T> weird though
[06:16] <Jucato> very weird
[06:16] <Tm_T> now that I remember, have to uninstall usplash, it doesn't show anything what happens
[06:16] <jdong> today is officially install-freebsd-on-a-random-computer day :)
[06:17] <Jucato> actually I think there's a bug, but it happens not when you reboot, only when you log out
[06:17] <Jucato> isn't today Software Freedom Day?
[06:17] <Tm_T> Jucato: well, I did that too
[06:17] <Tm_T> Jucato: after I noticed that my KDE appeared too much default =)
[06:17] <Jucato> ah, all partitions except for /, /home (if it's on a separate partition), and FAT32/NTFS partitions seem to be unmounted when you log out in Edgy
[06:18] <Jucato> I don't know if it was fixed in Knot3
[06:18] <Tm_T> well, I lost /home and /home/media
[06:18] <Jucato> ouch.. that is strange
[06:18] <Tm_T> prolly during boot
[06:18] <Tm_T> anyway, haven't seen it again
[06:28] <jdong> speaking of data loss, it looks like Novell/SuSE is dumping reiserfs....
[06:28] <jdong> poor Hans, first his ex-wife disappears, now his #1 corporate supporter....
[06:28] <Jucato> :(
[06:28] <Jucato> unless he's responsible for the first problem?
[06:29] <jdong> and it appears like novell isn't too thrilled about reiser4 either :P
[06:30] <Jucato> heh
[06:30] <jdong> hey, in other news today....
[06:31] <jdong> my XP desktop's KAV has registered its 10,000th virus detected since installation :)
[06:31] <Jucato> er...
[06:31] <Jucato> nice! :)
[06:31] <jdong> man, if it weren't for them I don't know how spyware-infested that machine would be
[06:32] <jdong> my dad's still an old-fashioned windows + IE person
[06:32] <jdong> I absolutely cannot get him to use anything else....
[06:32] <Jucato> heh
[06:32] <jdong> he has his excuses to run windows... his CAE software only runs under windows
[06:32] <Jucato> hm.. KAV? isn't it Clam Anti-Virus (CAV?)
[06:32] <jdong> but his only reason for running IE is because "that's what he's used to"
[06:32] <jdong> Jucato: Kaspersky AV
[06:32] <Jucato> aaah
[06:32] <jdong> clamav doesn't cut it
[06:33] <jdong> clamav is great, but doesn't come close to KAV
[06:33] <jdong> clamav wasn't designed for that purpose
[06:33] <Jucato> that's a new one for me :)
[06:33] <jdong> mind you, the 10000 are what went through my squid+dansguardian+clamav gateway :)
[06:33] <Jucato> ouch
[06:34] <jdong> as far as paid software goes, I gotta say KAV is one of the few I feel proud of spending money towards
[06:34] <jdong> that's gotta be the best $50 investment towards protecting a windows box
[06:34] <jdong> then again, if everyone ran ubuntu, we wouldn't have this problem :)
[06:35] <Jucato> lol
[06:35] <Jucato> how true
[07:25] <kwwii_afk> boah, mir ist so voll ich platze
[07:26] <Jucato> ??
[07:26] <kwwii_afk> oops
[07:27] <kwwii_afk> boah, I am so full I will burst
[07:27] <Jucato> heh :)
[07:27] <Jucato> what language was that? gerrman?
[07:27] <kwwii_afk> yepp
[07:27] <Jucato> I only understood "ich" :)
[07:28] <Tm_T> vai ett sellasta
[07:28] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:28] <Jucato> italian?
[07:28] <Tonio__> kwwii_afk: a bit hard to patch it myself...
[07:28] <Tm_T> Jucato: you're insulting me?
[07:28] <Jucato> no...
[07:28] <Jucato> I"m just guessing...
[07:28] <Jucato> :(
[07:28] <Tm_T> bad guess
[07:29] <Tm_T> finnish :)
[07:29] <Jucato> sorry
[07:29] <Tm_T> np =)
[07:29] <abattoir> suomi :P
[07:29] <Tm_T> jep
[07:29] <Tonio__> kwwii_afk: lots of coords are calculated with hardcoded numbers that I can't figure out what are they corresponding too...
[07:29] <Tonio__> kwwii_afk: probably let Riddell do the job since he patched this....
[07:29] <kwwii_afk> :-)
[07:30] <kwwii_afk> Tonio__: now you know why I left it alone
[07:30] <Tonio__> kwwii_afk: hehe, yes.....
[07:30] <Tonio__> hard to repatch this if you didn't write it yourself :)
[07:46] <Tm_T> btw is there something changed in tab bar handling? atleast konsole and kopete tends to lose it here
[07:46] <Tm_T> especially konsole follows pattern
[08:03] <kwwii> Tonio_: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-amarok.tar.gz is the new amarok theme for k-d-s
[08:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: the numbers are scaled as I remember
[08:32] <abattoir> Riddell: hi :) ... did you get my messages?
[08:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I failed doing this....
[08:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: it compiles but whatever I do, I'm  missing the Dialog.png
[08:55] <Tonio_> I can change the coords, but concerning the scaled background with non-scalled Dialog, I can't do this.... too hard for my extremely limited abilities in patching :)
[08:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm uploading amarok stuff
[09:46] <kwwii> everyone who is anyone should try http://bootsplash.org/windowdecotest2.png in the window deco overlays and http://bootsplash.org/glosspanel_kubuntu.jpg for the panel bg
[10:21] <Tm_T> kwwii: err?
[10:21] <kwwii> Tm_T: ?
[10:22] <Tm_T> what I should do with those pics
[10:22] <GNUrante> hi
[10:23] <kwwii> Tm_T: the first one should be set as the overlay for the window deco (in system settings-->appearance-->window decorations -->overlay
[10:24] <Tm_T> I see
[10:24] <Tm_T> that means I have to set up test user
[10:24] <kwwii> Tm_T: and the second one should be set as panel bg by right click on the panel -->configure panel-->appearance
[10:24] <kwwii> yes, if you want to keep the defualt
[10:25] <Tm_T> kwwii: aye, I'll try with test user, my current user is far from usable testground for those :)
[10:25] <Tm_T> 1px thick window border etc
[10:25] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:26] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current-temp.png that's the latest from me ;)
[10:26] <Tm_T> anyway, testing ->
[10:27] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:28] <Tm_T> ok, now I messed it =)
[10:31] <kwwii> someone should make a modern BII theme
[10:32] <GNUrante> kwwii: what do you think about dotNet2 theme?
[10:32] <Tm_T> kwwii: I tried
[10:33] <Tm_T> kwwii: I already modified some parts of it, but I'm not that skilled to make rounded corners etc
[10:33] <Tm_T> but I will try again when I'm in health enough ton do something seriously
[10:37] <kwwii> dotNet2 theme? never heard of it
[10:37] <kwwii> Tm_T: yeah, that is a lot of hacking to get it right
[10:39] <Tm_T> what's default Kubuntu widget style? kpersonalizer messed defaults as you can expect
[10:41] <Tm_T> kwwii: looks good, though windeco overlay overlays buttons too
[10:42] <Tm_T> that's prolly expected
[10:42] <Tm_T> ok, this is tested ->
[10:52] <kwwii> Tm_T: yeah, I would probably have to touch up the buttons if we use something like that
[10:52] <Tm_T> :)
[11:19] <zorglu_> sorry to interrupt, just wanted to know if gam_server eating 10% all the time, is a issue with my conf or a known problem ?
[11:22] <fdoving> known problem, it can however be fixed with configs, partly fixed, atleast.
[11:22] <fdoving> you can put 'fsset ext3 notify' in /etc/gamin/gaminrc
[11:23] <zorglu_> ok trying, is there an url about this ?
[11:23] <fdoving> hmm..
[11:25] <fdoving> http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/config.html and http://www.orakel.ntnu.no/~havardda/blogg/posts/2006-02-23/kubuntu-breezy-and-the-hungry-gam_server/
[11:25] <zorglu_> thanks. your fixed worked instantly :)
[11:26] <fdoving> great :)
[11:37] <GNUrante>  kwwii: for dotNet2 you can see www.gnuton.org or debian.gnuton.org (dapper repository)
[11:37] <Riddell> abattoir: no, not got your messages
[11:37] <GNUrante> kwwii: or kde-looks.org
[11:37] <GNUrante> look
[11:37] <GNUrante> sorry
[11:44] <Tm_T> amen
[11:45] <kwwii> hehe
[11:45] <Riddell> what happened to lilo?
[11:45] <mornfall> Riddell: he's dead :(
[11:47] <kwwii> GNUrante: theat is a nice looking blog
[11:47] <Riddell> wow, nasty
[11:47] <Tm_T> I know bike accidents too well
[11:50] <Tm_T> I really hope car drivers learn to give some space to bikers
[11:52] <kwwii> ouch
[11:54] <GNUrante> :/
[11:54] <GNUrante> kwwii: thnx
[11:56] <kwwii> GNUrante: but I need ppc packages
[11:56] <kwwii> for edgy ;-)
[12:02] <GNUrante> kwwii: use apt-build, or download all file orig.tar.gz, .dsc...; run apt-source -x file.dsc; cd dotnet2; dpkg-buildpackage
[12:02] <GNUrante> kwwii: 5 minutes and you can have your dotNet2 Package!
[12:06] <kwwii> at the moment I am building a new inckscape and watching a film, perhaps later :-)
[12:08] <DaSkreech> hunger: ping


[11:30] <daftykins> good afty \o
[11:30] <zxmpi_> happy wednesdaying
[11:34] <daftykins> mmm coffee and a peshwari naan from last night's curry to wake up to, glorious


[15:31] <wxl> !ask
[15:33] <wxl> 1s
[15:34] <wxl> what does `swapon --show` give you?
[15:35] <wxl> also `lsblk -l -o +UUID`
[15:42] <wxl> what about the contents of /etc/fstab?
[15:44] <wxl> nope. /etc/fstab
[15:44] <wxl> actually do this
[15:45] <wxl> `grep swap /etc/fstab`
[15:47] <wxl> no
[15:47] <wxl> grep searches for a pattern in a file
[15:47] <wxl> it highlights the matches
[15:47] <wxl> in this case, swap
[15:48] <wxl> ok, so try this: `swapon --show=UUID`
[15:49] <wxl> ok that's weird
[15:50] <wxl> by the way.. these are warnings, thus the "W" at the beginning, which is to say they are not indications of fatal problems
[15:51] <wxl> oh one more: `blkid`
[15:51] <wxl> those are poorly labeled warnings :)
[15:54] <wxl> 1s
[15:55] <wxl> out of curiousity,, is this a new install?
[15:56] <wxl> i think i found your problem: an old file https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=861151
[15:57] <wxl> tl;dr delete /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume, run `update-initramfs`, reboot and you should be good
[16:00] <wxl> let's just move it somewhere, just in case we need to bring it back:
[16:01] <wxl> `sudo /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume ~/`
[16:02] <wxl> no i did
[16:02] <wxl> `sudo mv /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume ~/`
[16:04] <wxl> you'll probably need to sudo it
[16:04] <wxl> `sudo update-initramfs`
[16:05] <wxl> oh for pete's sake XD
[16:05] <wxl> `sudo update-initramfs -u`
[16:06] <wxl> just finished the tea
[16:08] <wxl> actually technically not necessary
[16:08] <wxl> you got no warnings with the update?
[16:09] <wxl> then it's fixed
[16:09] <wxl> had it not been, you'd get the warning again
[16:09] <wxl> now you can remove the resume file
[16:09] <wxl> it's in your home
[16:10] <wxl> since you `sudo` moved it, it likely is owned by root:root, so you'll need to `sudo rm` it
[16:10] <wxl> well time to go to work
[16:10] <wxl> be well
[16:28] <wxl> if you're still there, it doesn't matter if you can't remove it, but it should be in ~ i.e. $HOME i.e. /home/$(whoami) where $(whoami) = your username so you can get to it by `cd $HOME` or `cd ~` etc or just `cd` because that defaults to $HOME
[16:29] <wxl> then you can see what's in it with `ls`
[16:31] <wxl> uhhhhh
[16:31] <wxl> in home?
[16:31] <wxl> if you did this >> `sudo mv /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume ~/` then the result should be that you have a file $HOME/resume
[16:32] <wxl> no
[16:32] <wxl> you can `echo $HOME` to see what it is but it's not that
[16:33] <wxl> like i said, it's probably owned by root, so you'll need to elevate permissions
[16:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> lubuntu 14.04 + latest tor browser 8.0 not run. can some one confirm this?
[16:40] <wxl> 1s
[16:46] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: cannot confirm. managed to successfully run and go to Debian at http://sejnfjrq6szgca7v.onion/
[16:47] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: admittedly this is not from the repos. I do NOT suggest using tor packages, nor does tor themselves
[16:50] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: see here under option two http://expyuzz4wqqyqhjn.onion/docs/debian.html.en "Do not use the packages in Ubuntu's universe. In the past they have not reliably been updated. That means you could be missing stability and security fixes. "
[16:50] <wxl> incidentially that page covers how to use the torprojects repos, which is far mroe reliable
[16:51] <wxl> even on debian you'll only get the lts version
[17:06] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wxl: can try this https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en packages?
[17:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i update to 8.0 and now this can't start. and i try clean unpacked from torproject
[17:10] <wxl> JohnDoe_71Rus: i did it first in an updated one, but using a fresh download it still works
 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-ubuntu-with-nvidia-graphic-cards/7774
[21:37] <[IFOC]S> wxl it looks like ubuntu-bug took me to lxde-metapackages, I posted it yesterday in lubuntu-meta, is that close enough?
[21:37] <[IFOC]S> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1790973 -- to me it sounds like a DE bug, not sure what the package is for that
[21:37] <wxl> [IFOC]S: i'm not sure i know what the bug is about but should be fine
[21:38] <[IFOC]S> or maybe a window manager bug
[21:38] <[IFOC]S> my expertise with the UI side of things on linux is not that great; I'll leave it where it is
[21:39] <wxl> [IFOC]S: i think you're thinking of lxrandr?
[21:40] <[IFOC]S> my monitor script uses xrandr
[21:40] <[IFOC]S> to set the orientation of the monitors, I mean
[21:40] <[IFOC]S> I used that in 16.04 too
[21:40] <[IFOC]S> I'll try it with lxrandr just for laughs
[21:41] <[IFOC]S> no, definitely not lxrandr
[21:41] <[IFOC]S> xrandr is command line
[21:41] <wxl> oh oops
[21:42] <wxl> change it to be against openbox
[21:42] <wxl> should be a window manager issue
[21:43] <wxl> actually no don't
[21:43] <[IFOC]S> too late
[21:43] <wxl> make it lxpanel
[21:43] <wxl> well you can do it again XD
[21:44] <[IFOC]S> is that your final answer?
[21:44] <wxl> yes
[21:44] <[IFOC]S> okay
[21:44] <[IFOC]S> done
[21:44] <[IFOC]S> thanks for the help
[21:45] <wxl> np
[21:45] <wxl> thanks for the bug report XD
[21:46] <[IFOC]S> hopefully this will get fixed, that feature is one of my favorite parts of lubuntu
[21:46] <[IFOC]S> really declutters my task bars
[21:47] <[IFOC]S> when it's working it makes Windows seem incredibly inefficient to use in comparison
[21:47] <wxl> to be perfectly honestly with you we are about full out with development on the current release which is going to have looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooots of changes
[21:47] <wxl> so it's probably not going to happen until then
[21:48] <wxl> however, one thing you might want to do to sort of move things along is look at the upstream bug tracker/support for lxde/lxpanel and see if you can't find any similar bugs or get any other ideas
[21:48] <[IFOC]S> how hard would it be for me to downgrade to the 16.04 lxpanel?
[21:48] <wxl> possibly quite hard. i mean, i'm sure installing the package won't be too hard, but dealing with all the dependencies might be an issue
[21:49] <wxl> did 17.10 work?
[21:49] <[IFOC]S> I didn't try it, I skipped from 16.04 to 18.04
[21:50] <wxl> we went from 0.8 to 0.9....
[21:51] <wxl> here's what i'd suggest: try setting up a bionic vm and then downgrade the lxpanel in it. if it doesn't blow up the world, then you'll probably be ok
[21:51] <[IFOC]S> that's a good idea
[21:52] <[IFOC]S> wish I would have thought about that before I killed my 16.04 system by trying to experiment with bionic packages
[21:52] <wxl> XD
[21:52] <wxl> doing some things can be more difficult in a vm, lke setting up multiple monitors, usb passthrough, etc, but it's not that hard
[21:53] <[IFOC]S> I'm familiar with virtualbox, I've used it for a long time
[21:53] <[IFOC]S> I don't think I actually need to virtualize multiple monitors; just the package changes
[21:54] <wxl> you might have to add the xenial repos to see the package
[21:55] <wxl> `sudo apt-get -t=xenial install lxpanel` should do the trick


[10:16] <chesco> hi, I try to solve why my computer is very slow.... but I dont know where and what test... anyone could help me ? or redirect to a chann
[10:24] <chesco> tryed many time to install any linux on my fucking laptop... and there is only a fucking wind00sh nano which can work... and not for music... fck :(
[10:28] <chesco> what a support !
[10:35] <chesco> any1 plz ?
[10:37] <chesco> got a complete useless laptop since many months... plz i need help
[10:42] <chesco> Im in a nightmare
[14:51] <rockworldmi> can we use rhythom box's lyrics fetcher to iphone?
[14:52] <rockworldmi> or any good auto tag editor
[14:53] <zequence> i-what? ;)
[14:53] <rockworldmi> lol iphone..
[14:53] <zequence> I actually have an old iBook, but running Linux on it
[14:54] <rockworldmi> o.O?
[14:55] <rockworldmi> buy it cant hapen on iphone
[14:55] <zequence> Barely works for standard web usage these days, because of the ancient graphic card mostly, and the battery is gone, but works ok as a music machine, or as a server
[14:55] <rockworldmi> lets see if it allows after ubuntuphone ois released
[14:56] <rockworldmi> zequence: but what you use as mp3 tag editor which fetches lyrics and info
[14:57] <rockworldmi> i like rhythom box's lyrics fetcher but its not complete tag eidtor
[15:17] <zequence> exfalso is not a bad tag editor
[17:43] <wip> hi! is it normal that jackdbus takes 17 percent of my cpu (quad core / 8 threads)?
[17:44] <wip> doing nothing (no software use jack at the moment)
[17:55] <wip> ok i think i understand, my latency is very low equal more cpu
[17:55] <wip> but i didnt know it was that much!
[18:03] <zequence> wip: Do you have pulse bridged too?
[18:03] <zequence> the pulseaudio module eats quite a bit of CPU
[18:04] <zequence> on 13.04 it is set to a stereo connection by default, which on multichannel cards lessens CPU usage
[18:04] <zequence> Each channel uses CPU. Not sure about how jack itself works in that regard
[18:05] <wip> zequence, yes i do, also my soundcard is 8 channels...
[18:05] <wip> zequence, so yes i should maybe turn off the pulse bridge
[18:05] <zequence> wip: Which release is this?
[18:05] <wip> 13.04
[18:05] <wip> frankly i am not sure about this release, i have a feeling that it is less stable
[18:05] <zequence> Then you only have a stereo connection
[18:06] <zequence> Each relese has issues
[18:06] <wip> yes
[18:06] <zequence> Just a matter of if you are personally affected
[18:06] <zequence> 12.04 had problems with jack and pulseaudio. Quite sever ones, I'd say
[18:06] <wip> youre right, well i was because the intel driver graphic is buggy
[18:06] <zequence> they are now fixed though
[18:06] <wip> they are fixed in 12.04?
[18:07] <zequence> Yes. I personally added patches for both jack and pulseaudio
[18:07] <wip> n ice work!
[18:07] <zequence> jackdbus sometimes crashed -fixed
[18:07] <zequence> pulseaudio did not release card to jack - fixed
[18:07] <wip> why using jackdbus. i always disabled it
[18:07] <zequence> jackdbus has some features that jackd doesn
[18:08] <zequence> Also, for a single user, wanting to only use one instance of jack, jackdbus might be the better choice, as it supports everything that jackd does, but not the other way around
[18:08] <wip> i need to look into jackdbus
[18:08] <zequence> With jackd, you can run multiple instances of it
[18:08] <wip> not sure about the features
[18:09] <zequence> Probably doesn't matter, if you never found you were unable to do something
[18:10] <zequence> There may be an issue with i686 installs and jackd on 12.04. A regression because of the patch
[18:10] <zequence> Not sure yet.
[18:12] <cub> Hmm I recently downgraded to 12.04
[23:26] <lehthanis> heya...
[23:27] <lehthanis> anyone here?  I'm having a tough issue with install
[23:44] <OvenWerk1> lehthanis: please state what you are having trouble with
[23:48] <lehthanis> when I choose install or try on 13.04 I get a black screen. I've tried nomodeset option on the install screen but that doesn't change anything.
[23:48] <lehthanis> I'm downloading 12.04 now to try it
[23:49] <Unit193> Did you try switching to TTY1 and see if there were errors of if it even worked?
[23:50] <OvenWerk1> My screen blanks for a while while starting up... It is older though :)
[23:50] <lehthanis> where's that option?
[23:51] <OvenWerk1> Control,alt F1 to F6 normally
[23:52] <OvenWerk1> tty1 would be c,a,F1 for example
[23:52] <lehthanis> is that on the install screen or somewhere else?
[23:52] <Unit193> OvenWerk1: I get that, and then some, mine is old too. :P
[23:52] <OvenWerk1> sometime acfter your screen has gone blank.
[23:53] <OvenWerk1> Is your drive still showing activity?
[23:54] <lehthanis> not sure, trying now I'll let ya know
[23:55] <lehthanis> screen is black now...no drive activity...ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't seem to do anything
[23:55] <lehthanis> monitor gone to sleep due to no signal
[23:55] <OvenWerk1> lehthanis: Are you using a DVD or USB stick? Did you check the image against the md5sum?
[23:55] <lehthanis> dvd.
[23:55] <lehthanis> hmm...no i didn't check md5...
[23:55] <lehthanis> lemme do that real quick
[23:56] <Unit193> You can do that when booting too, "Check disk for defects" will make sure the burn was good too.
[23:56] <OvenWerk1> I would check the image on the DVD. just to be sure.
[23:56] <lehthanis> whats the command do check the dvd.
[23:57] <OvenWerk1> depends which device your dvd is. md5sum /dev/sr0 if it is the first one
[23:58] <OvenWerk1> It will give a long number which should be the same as the one on the doownload page.
[23:58] <lehthanis> k
[23:58] <OvenWerk1> But if you boot the dvd and use the "Check disk for defects" that works too.
[23:59] <OvenWerk1> It goes through the whole disk file by file.


[12:01] <raphink> hunika: but canon printers are just terrible on linux
[12:01] <Kevin72594> LjL: it's something that windows uses for large drives on old comp.  although I dont' think it was necessary in this case, but it was still used
[12:01] <raphink> Kevin72594: if it's a windows tool, why do you want to use it in kubuntu?
[12:01] <raphink> o_O
[12:01] <LjL> Kevin72594: i don't know about it, but NTFS support in linux is suboptimal, so i'm not sure you'll have much luck if you have it on a non-standard-partitioned HD...
[12:01] <bhna> raphink: hunika: good night. its to late for me.
[12:02] <raphink> gn bhna
[12:02] <Kevin72594> raphink: the fs type in fdisk is EZDRIVE< I'm trying to mount it so I can read stuff off of it to backup on this comp. I just installed kubuntu on
[12:02] <Kevin72594> so i can repartitiuon it to reiser or something
[12:02] <LjL> what happens if you just try mounting it the standard way?
[12:02] <Kevin72594> error
[12:03] <LjL> what sort of error?


[18:08] <nhandler> joey: I saw you updated w.u.c/Teams. Think we can clarify the teams a bit. From my understanding, the News Team is simply an umbrella team for the fridge and UWN. So shouldn't those two real teams be listed instead of the news team?
[21:44] <akgraner> nhandler, it will be listed as two on the wiki
[21:44] <akgraner> we just haven't updated every thing yet
[21:44] <akgraner> can you add a work in progress to both wikis
[21:45] <akgraner> we are one News Team made up of the Fridge and Weekly Newsletter  - we are attempting to gain more cross collaboration
[21:46] <akgraner> If I understood Joey correctly
[21:46] <akgraner> :-)
[21:46] <akgraner> bbiab
[22:51] <magnum54> Hello from Oregon
[23:36] <nhandler> akgraner: As a reminder, team reports are getting included in the UWN tomorrow