[18:18] <shane_> weve looked at the games that are in the add remove but havent found many that he likes most are bad graphics and look like atari he says
[18:18] <cleaton> shane_: how old is he?
[18:18] <genii> shane_: Also this site has some good native linux ones: http://whdb.com/2008/top-25-linux-games-for-2008/
[18:19] <shane_> cleaton: he is 13
[18:19] <cleaton> shane_: ok, the link genii sugested is good
[18:20] <shane_> genii:   ok TY
[18:22] <cleaton> wow, i have to say thanks again for the quassel tip, this is exactly what i've been looking for =)
[18:27] <freek_>
[18:30] <shooood> i wanna make the resolution of my screen a lil bit smaller
[18:31] <shooood> am using ubuntu 8
[18:32] <shooood> #ubuntu
[18:36] <shane_> ok i tried the dpkg and it states there is no such file or derectory the package opened in kate
[18:42] <genii> shane_: Specify to save the file, instead of opening it in some application. Save it to /home/yourname                 Then open Konsole and do: cd ~/         then: sudo dpkg -i thefilename.deb
[18:43] <shane_> its opens automaticly in kate and states that if i save the file will be corrupt
[18:43] <slimsim> hey there
[18:44] <slimsim> someone there?
[18:44] <genii> shane_: When you download it from the internet, it will not normally just open it automatically in some text editor or so. Usually it will prompt you for saving or for what application to use to open it
[18:44] <slimsim> hehe, obviously there's someone there :D
[18:46] <shane_> genii: i wish that was the case but it seems to just open in kate automaticly and then shoots the messageis a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file.
[18:46] <slimsim> i've got a small question: i've got a external harddrive which i must be able to use under linux, windows and OSX. what filesystem do i use?
[18:47] <slimsim> btw: it's no problem if there's some work to do for the windows machine, but it should work out-of-the box with the mac machine!
[18:48] <genii> shane_: To make sure this behaviour happens for Firefox, go to Edit...PReferences...Applications. Find   Content Type of "Software Package" choose the action of "Always Ask"
[18:50] <genii> slimslim: All 3 will see vfat out of box but if using >4Gb files (eg: DVD isos or such) then ext2 is better choce
[18:50] <genii> *choice
[18:51] <genii> Bah another ask-and-run
[18:53] <shane_> genii: when i get to aplications the list is bare i tryed to search .deb and it opened kate because thats a .deb pkg lol
[18:58] <flashmaster> spricht jemand deutsch und kann mir helfen? ;)
[18:58] <PhilRod> !de
[18:59] <flashmaster> thx
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[19:05] <jcfp> !ru | polynskyi
[19:06] <stoynov> zdr
[19:08] <alexbobp> I have alsa installed, but I still can't play audio from multiple programs at once, and any time flash gets ahold of my audio hardware I can't play audio until I reboot.  How do I make sure my sound servers are running properly?
[19:10] <cleaton> alexbobp: it works properly, it just dosen't suport flash yet
[19:10] <cleaton> alexbobp: there is a libflashsuport you can install tough
[19:10] <cleaton> alexbobp: it worked for me
[19:11] <alexbobp> cleaton: I also can't use sound from Amarok and VLC at the same time.
[19:11] <alexbobp> but if I stop one, the other works.
[19:11] <tsb> hva is the name of the update app again? which sitts as an applet on the taskbar?
[19:11] <cleaton> oh alsa
[19:11] <cleaton> sorry
[19:11] <cleaton> i was in the wrong channel, thought i was in ubuntu and it was a pulse question
[19:11] <genii> shane_: I got sidetracked trying to figure out why your firefox is forcing kate to open deb files. For the moment just to get your frostwire going I'd suggest: sudo apt-get install wget; wget http://dl.frostwire.com/frostwire/4.13.5/frostwire-4.13.5.i586.deb; sudo dpkg -i frostwire-4.13.5.i586.deb
[19:12] <cleaton> hmm, if you have alsa installed many channels should work
[19:12] <cleaton> check if flash is somehow using oss
[19:13] <genii> shane_: The firefox issue may have something to do with your default mimetype setup for firefox. If you pastebin the contents of file:    ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/mimeTypes.rdf      it might be possible to see if thats whats casing it
[19:14] <alexbobp> I always use wget for files more than a few megabytes.  Firefox doesn't handle broken connections or being terminated and re-run well.
[19:15] <shane_> i have pastebin installed what is that comand where it will just paste it and give me the link for yah
[19:15] <shane_> genii:  i have pastebin installed what is that comand where it will just paste it and give me the link for yah
[19:19] <mooper> how should I install java 1.5
[19:19] <mooper> there seems to be 900 ways to do it
[19:19] <mooper> apt-get install java5-runtime seems to be the most sensible way
[19:20] <shane_> genii: i thank u for ur help i just got a call out so i must go but i will pop on here later and see if i can get this resolved TY
[19:21] <mooper>   sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-15-0ubuntu1 ??
[19:24] <erich> ahhh--- 4 hours later... my wifi card is detected right... but i receive the following error message ... wlan0: authentication with AP  timed out
[19:24] <flashmaster> installiert : keine
[19:25] <PhilRod> erich: what steps have you tried so far?
[19:25] <flashmaster> m├Čgl pakete 3.0 b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[19:27] <erich> PhilRod:  http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[19:28] <PhilRod> erich: can you see the AP in "iwlist eth1 scanning"?
[19:28] <PhilRod> err, sudo that
[19:30] <marius__> Hi to everyone
[19:30] <erich> PhilRod: yes!
[19:30] <marius__> I need help
[19:30] <PhilRod> marius__: just ask
[19:31] <chalcedony> marius__: don't we all ?
[19:31] <PhilRod> erich: at what stage do you get that error?
[19:31] <marius__> I can't hear anything in my kubuntuI'm a newby
[19:31] <erich>  PhilRod: connecting with knetworkmanager...
[19:31] <erythrocyte> any one here knows if Knoppix has been affected by the recent openssl security hole?
[19:32] <PhilRod> erich: hrm. I'm not too familiar with knetworkmanager, but we can try running through the command line steps to connect - might help to find the problem
[19:32] <PhilRod> s/find/localize/
[19:33] <erich> PhilRod: this would be great... can you tell me the commands?
[19:33] <josef_> Hi guys, i'm new to linux. i have two monitors conected to the same graphics card how do i configure it duel view
[19:34] <PhilRod> erich: sure. Are you using WEP or WPA?
[19:34] <erich> PhilRod: for the moment I have disabled the encryption... but I will use wpa later...
[19:35] <ScorpKing-Laptop> erich: try wifi-radar. it's a lot easier to use if you have encrypted wireless connections
[19:36] <marius__> I'm new to Linux too...I can't make my kubuntu work properly...It detects my sound card but I can't hear anything...I tried on OpenSolaris and it tels me that my ATI device is misconfiguered...But the fact is that the sound works fine on the same machine...but with Vista
[19:36] <marius__> can you give me any sugestions?
[19:36] <PhilRod> erich: ok. First check is "sudo iwconfig wlan0" - that'll tell you the current state of the interface
[19:36] <PhilRod> it'll probably be "unassociated"
[19:36] <ScorpKing-Laptop> marius__: run alsamixer in konsole and make sure the master volume is up
[19:37] <erich> !pastebin
[19:37] <navetz> can somebody please help me with my apache LAMP server, I can not go to localhost unless I am online, I can't do work without an internet connection.
[19:37] <TimS> How can I make one application not show up in the taskbar/kicker
[19:37] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: you using dialup?
[19:37] <erich> PhilRod: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13701/
[19:37] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: no a laptop
[19:38] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: wireless
[19:38] <marius__> Hey...I did the alsamixer thing...the master volume is fine...
[19:38] <marius__> 100
[19:38] <erich> PhilRod: I will try wifi-radar--- maybe I will be disconnected now...
[19:38] <PhilRod> erich: ok,
[19:39] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: it might be that knetworkmanager tries to route through an active conncetion. close it and try again. if that doesn't work edit /etc/network/interfaces and add - address <IP_ADDRESS> and netmask <IP_ADDRESS> - for lo
[19:40] <erythrocyte> hey can anyone help me out with my boot problem? kubuntu 8.04 is taking infinite time to boot. i posted debug info, etc. here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878
[19:41] <ScorpKing-Laptop> marius__: what does aplay -l say? pastebin it if it's more that one line. see !paste
[19:42] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: my interfaces looks like that
[19:42] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: have you tried it with networkmanager closed?
[19:42] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: nope, ill give it a shot, my internet will probably go down so brb
[19:42] <tsb> I opened a file yesterday externally using kdpf; the file is now gone, any chance of finding it in some cache file somewhere?
[19:43] <marius__> card 0: SB [HDA ATI SB], device 0: ALC861VD Analog [ALC861VD Analog]
[19:43] <marius__>   Subdevices: 0/1
[19:43] <marius__>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[19:43] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: also if you run /etc/init.d/apache2 restart it might show <IP_ADDRESS> for sitename. if that's the case use it instead of localhost
[19:43] <ScorpKing-Laptop> !hdaintel | marius__
[19:44] <ScorpKing-Laptop> marius__: read that for hda sound cards
[19:44] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: it does show <IP_ADDRESS> as the sitename
[19:44] <marius__> thanks...thanks a lot
[19:44] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: but I tried it and it didn't work
[19:44] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: I have knetworkmanager closed but I still have internet
[19:44] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: what name is assosiated with <IP_ADDRESS> in /etc/hosts?
[19:45] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: yes internet will still work
[19:45] <navetz> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[19:45] <navetz> <IP_ADDRESS> navetz
[19:45] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: my laptop name is.
[19:45] <erich_> PhilRod: does not work
[19:45] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: ok try http://navetz/ maybe?
[19:45] <navetz> ok
[19:46] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: it works, let me test it without a connection
[19:46] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: ok
[19:47] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: hey that didn't work.
[19:47] <PhilRod> erich_: ok, try "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_SSID"
[19:47] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: <IP_ADDRESS> didn't work either
thanks man...hehe...actually the page gives information that goes way beyond my knowledge...if I do that ...I actually might breake something...I really don't know how to operate in BIOS
[19:48] <erich_> PhilRod: no error
[19:48] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: hmm.. the only other option i can think of is to configure a virtual network interface manually so it's always up. like eth0:1 for egsample
[19:49] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: is there a way I can tell apache to point back to <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[19:49] <PhilRod> erich_: then "sudo dhclient wlan0" (assuming you have a dhcp server on your AP)
[19:49] <ScorpKing-Laptop> marius__: you're welcome. hda cards is alway fun to get working. read throught that whole page if you get any errors. all the info you need is on there
[19:50] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: yes. in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[19:50] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: in knetworkmanager, it under domain name system it has my hostname as navetz, could that be a problem
[19:51] <erich_> PhilRod: No DHCPOFFERS received. but dhcp is configured right
[19:51] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: i'm not sure. knetworkmanager always give me problems so i never use it. maybe someone else knows.
[19:52] <Areinu> Can anyone here help me with the problem described here? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1659537#post1659537 It's kinda too hard to describe in 1 sentence XD
[19:52] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: my error log gives me this: [Wed May 21 14:47:48 2008] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico
[19:53] <navetz> ScorpKing-Laptop: alright, thanks for the help
[19:53] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: you can ignore that. if you look in 000-default you'll see a option for icon paths if you want to fix that.
[19:53] <trappist> navetz: that's an extremely normal error - browsers request favicon.ico in your webroot, so if it's not there you'll get file not found in your logs
[19:53] <ScorpKing-Laptop> navetz: you're welcome
[19:53] <navetz> trappist: oh, alright, thanks.
[19:54] <PhilRod> erich_: hrm, does "iwconfig wlan0" say the same now as before? (modulo the essid should now be set)
[19:55] <erich__> PhilRod: on my latop (WindowsXP)... wlan is also working with hdcp
[19:56] <PhilRod> erich__: ok, that's a useful data point
[19:56] <erich__> PhilRod: I will throw the pc out of my windows... 4 days without success... XXXX...
[19:57] <PhilRod> erich__: oh, and in case you missed it: "[19:54] <PhilRod> erich_: hrm, does "iwconfig wlan0" say the same now as before? (modulo the essid should now be set)"
[19:58] <erich__> PhilRod: yes... still the same
[20:00] <erich__> test
[20:00] <erich__> PhilRod: yes... still the same
[20:01] <PhilRod> erich__: the only other thing I can think to try would be installing the default ubuntu (gnome-based) network management gui
[20:01] <PhilRod> or try the semi-manual setup: edit /etc/network/interfaces and use "ifup -a" to try to bring the interface up
[20:02] <erich__> PhilRod: In my point of view... this will not solve the problem... because the command also did not work... right?
[20:02] <PhilRod> erich__: maybe, but sometimes you have to get the right commands in the right order, and I may have missed a necessary step
[20:03] <erich__> PhilRod: can I try ndiswrapper? maybe there is a module kernel problem
[20:03] <ghostlygone> Hello
[20:03] <PhilRod> erich__: that might work. I've never used it myself though
[20:03] <Tm_T> hi PhilRod
[20:04] <mooper> does anyone know how to stop the mouse wheel from changing images in gwenview and get it to zoom instead?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> mooper, click the mousewheel  to zoom
[20:07] <fildo> away: sleep
[20:10] <erythrocyte> anyone out there who can help me with my problem as described in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878 ? my message there has been up for more than a day and no one has replied yet :(
[20:12] <BluesKaj> erythrocyte, 256 Ram is quite low for kde ... not sure but that could be part of your prob.
[20:13] <TimS> Adept keeps tryng to update 4 packages, but everytime I get an error that this will break something. Anyone know what the problem could be/how to fix it?
[20:13] <erythrocyte> BluesKaj: yea, the kubuntu website recommends min >300MB RAM, but it has been working fine for me up until now...so that couldn't be it right?
[20:14] <erythrocyte> BluesKaj: and my problem isn't with the responsiveness of KDE as such...it's just the boot
[20:14] <TimS> The reppo  http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com is giving me a 404 error :o
[20:14] <BluesKaj> dunno , but maybe graphical Xserver is having a difficult time with your setup loading
[20:15] <mooper> You could try booting into init level 3 to see if its x causing probs
[20:15] <xenol> i want to ask, what is default entry for "hiddenmenu" optin of grub's menu.lst ?
[20:15] <xenol> option&
[20:15] <BluesKaj> TimS, works here
[20:15] <mooper> erythrocyte: Then you could tell if you need to look at x or more basic stuff
[20:16] <mooper> init level 3 =no X
[20:16] <TimS> Odd
[20:16] <TimS> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-proposed/main libecal1.2-7 <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3
[20:16] <TimS>   404 Not Found
[20:16] <erythrocyte> mooper: how do i boot into level 3? i'm such a noob
[20:16] <mooper> erythrocyte: uhm, hang on
[20:17] <algyz> erythrocyte:  why do you need it?
[20:17] <mooper> erythrocyte: I cant remember the file
[20:17] <algyz> erythrocyte:  don't install drivers in such way :(
[20:17] <mooper> so he can boot into init level 3 to test whats causing his slow boot
[20:18] <algyz> erythrocyte:  init 3 , but don't do
[20:18] <mooper> no, that doesnt affect how it boots
[20:18] <erythrocyte> algyz: mooper suggested that i boot into init level 3 to see if X could be the problem for http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=800878
[20:18] <algyz> I see
[20:18] <algyz> didn't read above, sry :|
[20:19] <erythrocyte> algyz: well now you have it :) ...any ideas?
[20:19] <erythrocyte> mooper: is my dmesg alright?
[20:20] <erythrocyte> mooper: are all my logs normal?
[20:21] <mooper> god damn debian init mess
[20:21] <erythrocyte> mooper: lol :D
[20:22] <mooper> where the hell is /etc/inittab
[20:23] <lon3s> hi und hallo
[20:25] <mooper> ’╗┐Can anyone tell me where I set the run level on boot?
[20:25] <mooper> erythrocyte: this is very annoying
[20:25] <erythrocyte> mooper: oh...could this be related to some upstart thingy...i remember that as something new in hardy
[20:26] <erythrocyte> mooper: i did a locate inittab
[20:26] <erythrocyte> mooper: and got /usr/lib/upstart/migrate-inittab.pl
[20:26] <mooper> nah, its in etc/event.d/rc-default
[20:27] <mooper> ah, but you can make and /etc/inittab and that will take over
[20:27] <erythrocyte> mooper: so how do i boot into init 3?
[20:27] <mooper> I dont know what they have done here so I wouldnt want to advise
[20:27] <mooper> sorry
[20:28]  * jabba sacrifices a chicken
[20:28] <jabba> erythrocyte: does ubuntu have an /etc/inittab ?
[20:28] <mooper> jabba, you are wise to sacrafice that chicken
[20:28] <mooper> no they have done something
[20:28] <mooper> ......all weird
[20:28] <erythrocyte> mooper: ok...thanks anyway
[20:28] <jabba> well it says initctl(8), that's a good place to start
[20:28] <mooper> we shall have to sacrafice a windows certified engineer to make it work
[20:29] <jabba> erythrocyte: gimme a sec.
[20:29] <mooper> jabba, next after you with the ceremonial knife
[20:29] <noam_> is the distribution firefox going to be replaced with 3.0 final when it is out? or are we waiting for 8.10 for that?
[20:29] <erythrocyte> jabba: ok
[20:31] <jabba> erythrocyte: /etc/event.d/rc-default
[20:32] <mooper> jabba, yeah, I got that far
[20:32]  * jabba sacrifices a sarlacc for mooper
[20:32] <mooper> thats why I need to sacrafice the MSCE
[20:32] <mooper> to work out what it means
[20:32] <jabba> gimme another second then. miracles take time :)
[20:32] <jabba> hey
[20:33] <jabba> mooper: you not a shell ninja?
[20:33] <jabba> rc-default looks for /etc/inittab
[20:33] <jabba> line 14 on hardy
[20:33] <mooper> I know I know, but I could be arsed to find out what /etc/inittab should look like
[20:33] <mooper> it was all getting to complicated
[20:33] <jabba> heh, could be arsed. you europeans!
[20:34] <jabba> mooper:  i have an inittab to look at at home. hang on.
[20:34] <mooper> actually I have a shell open here with centos
[20:34] <mooper> :-D
[20:34] <jabba> # The default runlevel is defined here
[20:34] <jabba> id:5:initdefault:
[20:35] <mooper> BINGO
[20:35] <jabba> so you'd just echo "id:3:initdefault" > /etc/inittab
[20:35] <mooper> but, the format is different on debian systems
[20:35] <mooper> actually, maybe not. vanilla kernal and all
[20:36] <jabba> it doesn't matter if it's different
[20:36] <jabba> that's what the shell is looking for
[20:36] <erythrocyte> jabba, mooper: lemme know what i need to do, once you've figured it all out
[20:36] <mooper> sudo ’╗┐echo "id:3:initdefault" > /etc/inittab
[20:36] <jabba> erythrocyte: do what i saaaay
[20:36] <mooper> erythrocyte: run that in a terminal
[20:36] <jabba> mooper: you can't redirect from sudo
[20:36] <erythrocyte> jabba: ok
[20:36] <mooper> then reboot
[20:36] <mooper> and prey
[20:37] <jabba> mooper: echo 'id:3:initdefault' | sudo dd of=/etc/inittab
[20:37] <deejaypip> I inserted a DVD into my CD driver. Then I opened up Totem movie player and it said, "An error occurred. Could not read from resource." Any ideas?
[20:37] <booh__> omg
[20:37] <mooper> and we shall make the sacrafice, we must time it right, so that as the kernel is loading we plunge the knife into the microsoftie
[20:37] <erythrocyte> jabba, mooper: man i'm seeing double!
[20:37] <erythrocyte> lol
[20:37] <booh__> deejaypip: install some libdvdcss?
[20:37] <jabba> erythrocyte: use the dd command i gave you.
[20:37] <deejaypip> okay
[20:37] <erythrocyte> jabba: okey dokes
[20:38] <jabba> actuall wait
[20:38] <jabba> *is* there an /etc/inittab?
[20:38] <erythrocyte> jabba: what if i need to return to default?
[20:38] <jabba> erythrocyte: just rm it
[20:38] <erythrocyte> jabba: nope there isn't
[20:38] <mooper> no the file does not exist
[20:39] <erythrocyte> jabba: ok
[20:39] <erythrocyte> here goes nothing fellas
[20:39] <erythrocyte> brb
[20:39] <deejaypip> It says that I can't install Xine extra plugins because it either requires special hardware features or the vendor doesn't support my computer type
[20:40] <will> i need help im trying to use frostwire for ubuntu and this comes up
[20:40] <will> Something went wrong with FrostWire.
[20:40] <will> Maybe you're using the wrong version of Java?
[20:40] <will> (FrostWire is tested against and works best with with Sun's JRE, Java 1.4+)
[20:40] <will> The version of Java in your PATH is:
[20:40] <will> java version "1.6.0"
[20:40] <will> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09)
[20:40] <will> OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
[20:40] <trappist> will: please don't paste here
[20:40] <jabba> !paste | will
[20:40] <will> sorry but thats wat it says
[20:40] <will> sorry
[20:41] <mooper> jabba: I wonder if we shall ever see him again
[20:41] <will> how do i fix that though
[20:41] <mooper> will run away
[20:41] <mooper> java is poo
[20:41] <jabba> mooper: i sacrificed a chicken and a sarlacc
[20:42] <mooper> and I got the MSCE, so we should be good
[20:42] <will> listen all i need is help not sarcasim
[20:42] <mooper> unless.........well /etc/inittab is red had
[20:42] <jabba> mooper: i think the worst that can happen is he'll come up in 5
[20:42] <mooper> maybe we should have done a RHCE
[20:43] <mooper> will, I was helping.
[20:43] <will> then wat do i use
[20:43] <mooper> you will end up banging your head againt a flaming brick wall
[20:43] <mooper> what does frostwire do?
[20:43] <will> dowloads music
[20:43] <mooper> ah, ktorrent
[20:43] <will> its fast so i like it
[20:43] <jabba> mooper: i'm an rhce.
[20:43] <mooper> a fine application
[20:43] <will> its like limewire
[20:44] <mooper> jabba: hmmm
[20:44]  * mooper lunges for jabba
[20:44] <mooper> will, use ktorrent
[20:44] <will> i want to use frostwire
[20:44] <mooper> *sigh
[20:44] <mooper> frostwire is broken on your system
[20:45] <will> so someone please help me
[20:45] <will> how do i fi it
[20:45] <mooper> will, ktorrent works the same, its a torrent client
[20:45] <mooper> will #java
[20:45] <mooper> have you tried ktorrent?
[20:46] <deejaypip> hmm, libdvdread3 isn't working. I'm going to try something else. Ideas?
[20:46] <will> how do i identify myself?
[20:47]  * mooper sacrifices jabba so that frostwire will work. With a maaad look in his eyes he implores the sun god to accept hs fayre
[20:47] <_sourcemaker> are there any working wlan cards for linux... without hacking the system?
[20:48] <mooper> _sourcemaker: depends on the distro
[20:48] <mooper> look for the most popular cards
[20:48] <_sourcemaker> mooper: kubuntu...
[20:48] <mooper> on lappy?
[20:48] <mooper> broadcom support is good
[20:48] <Fercho> hello
[20:48] <mooper> I suppose the same will apply to desktops
[20:48] <will__> how do i register?
[20:49] <_sourcemaker> mooper: nice... I have bought a broadcom today... without sucess !!!
[20:49] <Fercho> I have some trouble with and epson printer, maybe someone know this issue
[20:49] <_sourcemaker> mooper: 4 hours... reading all the stuff ... ndiswrapper... fwcutter... nothings works
[20:49] <mooper> will__: goto #frostwire and follow ins
[20:50] <mooper> _sourcemaker: really?
[20:50] <_sourcemaker> mooper: yes
[20:50] <will__> no i have an acount
[20:50] <mooper> urm
[20:50] <Fercho> I have an epson stylus 580.  I tried installing a bunch of dvdlibs, but they're not working
[20:52] <mooper> sacrafice more engineers
[20:52] <mooper> deejaypip: install vlc
[20:52] <mooper> should work
[20:52] <pteague_laptop> anybody know what scrollkeeper-update is?
[20:52] <deejaypip> thanks mooper; I'll try
[20:53] <erythrocyte> mooper, jabba: anyway...so my boot still hung infinitely at 'reading files needed to boot'
[20:53] <mooper> then.........well thats pre X anyway
[20:53] <mooper> ooh, I know what it is
[20:53] <erythrocyte> btw i noticed that before 'reading files needed to boot' it says running /scripts/innit bottom something
[20:53] <mooper> it is trying to find a resume image to boot from
[20:53] <jabba> erythrocyte: that doesn't sound like init
[20:54] <jabba> mooper: it might be complaining about inittab...
[20:54] <mooper> duh, no erythrocyte's original problem was that his boots were taking frikkin ages
[20:55] <erythrocyte> mooper: yea that's right
[20:55] <mooper> the inittab makes no bones
[20:55] <jabba> mooper: a resume image sounds like hibernate to me.
[20:55] <jabba> erythrocyte: is it a laptop?
[20:55] <erythrocyte> no it's a desktop
[20:56] <jabba> hm.
[20:56] <jabba> well, i'm at a loss. what if you boot into runlevel 2 or 1
[20:56] <mooper> jabba, need to turn off quiet splash
[20:56] <jabba> 2 should get you networking, and 1 will just boot.
[20:56] <jabba> mooper: ding. whoops.
[20:56] <jabba> mooper: i'm a solaris guy normally. :)
[20:56] <jabba> what? splash? you mean open firmware?!!
[20:56] <mooper> I am a moron usually but today Im being a guru
[20:57] <erythrocyte> jabba, mooper: could this possibly be related to a corrupt initramfs image or something?
[20:57] <mooper> no, quiet spalsh is a kernel opetion that you set in grup that turns aff all the lovely boot messages
[20:57] <mooper> s/grup/grub
[20:58] <jabba> erythrocyte: it kinda sounds like it... but turning off splash will help
[20:58] <erythrocyte> no, i'm sorry, i meant could my slow boot be due to that
[20:58] <jabba> erythrocyte: when grub comes up you need to press 'e' to edit your boot line
[20:58] <mooper> erythrocyte: do you see the message "Kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot..."
[20:58] <jabba> remove the word that says "quiet"
[20:58] <erythrocyte> i did...turning off splash...turning it on...it's all just the same
[20:58] <mooper> I know, but you need to read the messages that you get when you turn off quiet boot
[20:58] <erythrocyte> mooper: yea...but that mssg has always been there...ever since feisty
[20:59] <mooper> aha, but you can turn off the looking for resume image cos that can take ages for the system to realise that its not there
[20:59] <erythrocyte> jabba, mooper: i did, look at the messages i mean
[20:59] <mooper> like grandma looking for the keys that are allready in her hand
[20:59] <erythrocyte> mooper: it's not actually slow at that stage
[20:59] <francesc> hola
[21:00] <deejaypip> Hmm. VLC still isn't playing my DVD. The timer indicates that the video is running, but I don't see an image.
[21:00] <mooper> erythrocyte: oh, before that stage?
[21:00] <mooper> deejaypip: uhm
[21:00] <erythrocyte> it's like after the kinit thingy...i get running /scripts/local something and then /scripts/init something and then....the 'reading files needed to boot'...here's where it hangs for minutes
[21:01] <mooper> erythrocyte: how old is the installation?
[21:01] <erythrocyte> i installed hardy the week it came out...so i think about 15 days
[21:01] <mooper> reinstall it :)
[21:02] <erythrocyte> mooper: lol..i was actually hoping that i might not need to
[21:03] <mooper> well, no bugger has any idea whats going on
[21:03] <mooper> so there is maybe some weird corruption
[21:03] <erythrocyte> mooper: what puzzles me is that this slow down has only started after updates
[21:03] <mooper> exactly, reinstall and run the updates
[21:04] <mooper> I never do ubuntu updates usually, everything breaks
[21:04] <erythrocyte> mooper: is it ok to generate a new initrd.img? you think that could have been corrupted somehow?
[21:04] <mooper> I have no idea whats going on
[21:04] <mooper> something has been borked
[21:04] <erythrocyte> mooper: fine..i guess i'll have to reinstall
[21:05] <erythrocyte> mooper, jabba: thanks anyway
[21:05] <mooper> np
[21:07] <KaTet> Hallo, ich hab Probleme beim Drucken unter kubuntu 8.04. Kann mir da jemand weiter helfen?
[21:08] <KaTet> Oh, sorry.Should I write it in english?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> yes :)
[21:09] <jhutchins_wk> KaTet: ALthough I think there's #kubuntu-de
[21:09] <lumm> yep
[21:09] <KaTet> Ok. I have some problems with printing under kubuntu 8.04. Anyone here who can help?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> sure... we can try
[21:10] <mooper> have you tried cups?
[21:10] <KaTet> By the way, nice idea 'Mike Anderson'
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> :P
[21:11] <mooper>  /whois ’╗┐nosrednaekim
[21:11] <mooper> \whois nosrednaekim
[21:11] <mooper> ?
[21:11] <KaTet> Ok. After upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 printing is no more possible
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> no space mooper :P
[21:12] <mooper> doh
[21:12] <mooper> KaTet: errors?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> don't know whay I'm telling you that <_<
[21:14] <KaTet> I deinstalled all printer and installed driver manually. Again no printing possible. Then I set the right for /dev/usb/lp0 additionally on read/write for others and now it works.
[21:15] <KaTet> After System restart the rights are set back to 'no access fpr other'
[21:16] <KaTet> and printing is not possibe again
[21:16] <KaTet> Any idea?
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> what kind of printer is it?
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> cannon,HP, etc
[21:17] <KaTet> canon ip1600
[21:18] <KaTet> owner of /dev/usb/lp0 is root, group is lp
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> !canon
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> !cannon
[21:19] <jdavies> !printer
[21:21] <KaTet> Yes, I know. Canon printer is allways special. But it worked under 7.10 perfectly. An it still does if the rights for /dev/usb/lp0 are changed.
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> KaTet: well, you can change them on boot....
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> put the commands in /etc/rc.local
[21:23] <Daisuke_Ido> ka-tet, huh?
[21:24] <ben__> woot
[21:24] <KaTet> at the moment ka-tet with you
[21:26] <BBM-5> hi
[21:26] <KaTet> Ok, /etc/rc.local would give a workarround. But I doesn't look like a solution, I mean a real one.
[21:26] <BBM-5> whats up guys
[21:27] <BBM-5> need some help withvirtual box
[21:28] <BBM-5> i cant use the alt key in the VM
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem
[21:28] <BBM-5> i need it for photoshop
[21:30] <crashhandler> there are something like blurred kde images on konqueror...how to remove that
[21:30] <crashhandler> i mean the background thing
[21:31] <PhilRod> crashhandler: view->configure background
[21:31] <crashhandler> owh thanks :d
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> BBM-5: did you install guest additions?
[21:31] <BBM-5> yes
[21:33] <BBM-5> read something about disabling Mouse Integration but have no idea where to do that
[21:34] <Steve-cal> What's a really good GUI program for searching for files? I'm looking for one that has the ability to exclude any directories I specify, and have other options like min/max file size, etc. Any ideas?
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> Steve-cal: I'm pretty sure kfind can do that kinda stuff
[21:35] <Steve-cal> nosrednaekim: Some things, but I don't see any option to exclude certain directories from the search.
[21:39] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[21:39] <rysiek|pl> guys, is there a repo or something along the lines to install KDE4 on Hardy from?
[21:39] <jdlanteigne> hello
[21:39] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[21:39] <jdlanteigne> i need help
[21:39] <SlimeyPete> !ask | jdlanteigne
[21:40] <rysiek|pl> SlimeyPete: !thanks ;)
[21:41] <erythrocyte> mooper, jabba: check this out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/since-we-have-no-etcinittab-506281/
[21:42] <maria> hello
[21:42] <maria> how do i become root in konsole?
[21:42] <erythrocyte> maria: sudo su
[21:42] <SlimeyPete> !sudo | maria
[21:42] <jussi01> erythrocyte: thats incorrect for us, ad we dont use it. please use sudo -i instead
[21:42] <maria> thank you very much... i am installing gimp for the first time
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> maria: erm
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> using apt-get?
[21:43] <maria> yes
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> ah
[21:43] <maria> that was the instruction on the gimp website
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> ok - it's just that sometimes people try to install from source because they don't know about apt-get
[21:43] <rysiek|pl> maria: you can find Gimp in Adept
[21:44] <SlimeyPete> apt-get is the way to do it :) Or use Adept from the k-menu (same thing, but with graphics)
[21:44] <erythrocyte> jussi01: how is sudo su different from sudo -i ? just curious :)
[21:44] <rysiek|pl> maria: or in "Add/Remove Programs"
[21:44] <maria> thank you all for your help
[21:44] <rysiek|pl> maria: a wee bit more "user friendly", although I do prefer the commandline ;)
[21:44] <jdlanteigne>  i just installed an nvidia geforce card and would like to enable the 3d drivers for it.  how do i do that?
[21:44] <jussi01> erythrocyte: wait a sec, Ill see if i can find a nice article that explains it
[21:45] <jussi01> !nvidia   | jdlanteigne
[21:45] <erythrocyte> jussi01: thanks :)
[21:45] <rysiek|pl> jdlanteigne: erm. I'd check in System Settings or in KMenu -> System for "Restricted Drivers"
[21:46] <rysiek|pl> jdlanteigne: in Gutsy it's in KMenu -> System Settings -> Advanced tab. In hardy it should be in the very same place; it should allow you to install the drivers automagically ;)
[21:47] <norman_x> hi out there
[21:48] <SlimeyPete> hi
[21:48] <crankcaller> hi
[21:48] <Itaku> CAPS LOCK ARENT ON BUT IT KEEPS SPITTING OUT CAPS HOW DO I FIX IT?
[21:49] <rysiek|pl> Itaku: erm. did you try hitting capslock a single time, and then type?
[21:49] <norman_x> i am running kubuntu 8.04 with kde 3.5.9. thunderbird does not open firefox-2, when I klick on a link in an email. how can I fix that?
[21:49] <jussi01> erythrocyte: if you have a look at the article that the bot gave, under the "Special notes on sudo and shells" section
[21:49] <Itaku> now my caps are on and its spiting out lower case
[21:49] <Itaku> the caps lock light is on
[21:49] <rysiek|pl> d'oh
[21:49] <rysiek|pl> norman_x: KMenu -> System Settings -> (wait a sec, checking ;) )
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> norman_x: you'll have to put in the full path to firefox2
[21:50] <rysiek|pl> norman_x: -> "Default applications" or something named similarily (I have a different language version)
[21:50] <norman_x> ok, in system settings it is in, but without the full path, I will try that. thanx.
[21:51] <erythrocyte> jussi01: got it ...thanks :)
[21:51] <rysiek|pl> norman_x: it might also be that Thunderbird does not honour the system web broser setting
[21:51] <jussi01> erythrocyte: great :)
[21:51] <rysiek|pl> norman_x: in that case you probably have to find this setting in Tb itself
[21:57] <byte71> how to customize desktop for all user??
[21:57] <sourcemaker_> join kubuntu-de
[21:58] <uga> sourcemaker_: I won't
[21:58] <uga> =)
[21:58] <PhilRod> byte71: copy the relevant files from ~/.kde to `kde-config --prefix` basically
[21:58] <PhilRod> see the user guide on docs.kde.org, section "kde for admins"
[21:58] <sourcemaker_> uga: :-)
[22:02] <jdlanteigne> thanks the restricted driver manager took care of it
[22:02] <jdlanteigne> how do i enable compiz?
[22:04] <jdlanteigne> !-compiz-fusion
[22:05] <deejaypip> So it looks like none of the DVD players like my hardware. Lenovo thinkpad R61.
[22:05] <jdlanteigne> !compiz
[22:06] <deejaypip> I'm not able to play encripted DVDs. Suggestions?
[22:07] <scober> can you play unencrypted dvd's?  if so you might just need decss installed
[22:07] <BluesKaj> !DVD | deejaypip
[22:07] <deejaypip> Alright, thanks
[22:08] <PhilRod> how do I find out what files a currently uninstalled package will install?
[22:09] <deejaypip> ahhh, another issue with my DVDs is that I need subtitles. I'm deaf.
[22:12] <BluesKaj> deejaypip, libdvdcss2 merely rids the dvd of the DRM tag , subtitles etc should be preserved if you copy the full dvds without compression
[22:12] <BBM-5> nosrednaekim: problem solved
[22:12] <BBM-5> cyall
[22:14] <jdlanteigne> what package do i need to get to manage compiz?
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> jdlanteigne: compizconfig-settings-manager (or something similar
[22:15] <Daisuke_Ido> apt-cache search compizconfig
[22:16] <pim> I'm trying to navigat to a folder in bash
[22:16] <pim> but when I type cd Microsoft Office
[22:16] <pim> it says the directory doesn't exist
[22:16] <pim> whilst ls
[22:16] <pim> lists me the direcotry Microsoft Office
[22:16] <PhilRod> you need to escape the space
[22:17] <Pennycook> cd Microsoft\ Office
[22:17] <pim> how do I do that?
[22:17] <pim> ah
[22:17] <LuigiTheKing> whi my shutdown men├╣ don't have immage of kde?????????
[22:17] <Pennycook> Or you can use tab completion. XD
[22:17] <pim> thanks!
[22:17] <PhilRod> but tab complete is your friend here - just do "cd Micr<TAB>"
[22:17] <pim> it doesn work since there is another sub-directory that also starts with Microsoft
[22:18] <pim> so that's why ;-)
[22:18] <PhilRod> ah, ok. The trick is still worth knowing though :-)
[22:18] <BluesKaj> MS Office run on wine ?
[22:19] <Pennycook> BluesKaj: I thin kit depends on the version.  Check here: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[22:19] <Daisuke_Ido> it does, but why would you want to?
[22:19] <pim> It does run on wine ;-)
[22:19] <BluesKaj> OO seems fine to me
[22:20] <pim> how can I copy a file from my desktop to my current directory? cp /home/pim/Desktop/file .
[22:20] <pim> ?
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> i can't think of any reason - professional or academic - that i could possibly require MS Office over OOo
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> pim: yes
[22:21] <Pennycook> Daisuke_Ido: I suppose some people might /have/ to use Access?
[22:21] <BluesKaj> pim , copy & paste
[22:22] <pim> no it won let me
[22:22] <pim> I'm doing something not so legal with office :p
[22:22] <BluesKaj> permission ?
[22:22] <Daisuke_Ido> what's your current directory?
[22:22] <pim> dont know I'm copying to a folder in wine
[22:23] <pim> hm I think it hasn't worked
[22:23] <pim> I'm actually trying to bypass the Office 2003 Authentication
[22:24] <pim> but it's not really working yet
[22:24] <pim> well I'll let you know when I get it working
[22:26] <pim> what package to I install for spellchecking in openoffice?
[22:27] <BluesKaj> OO has one in the tools section
[22:28] <pim> hm
[22:28] <pim> I tried it via apt-get
[22:29] <pim> well the language packages are there
[22:29] <pim> only they dont seem to be working
[22:29] <pim> When I type afdafdf or something silly, it won't correct it
[22:29] <BluesKaj> you prolly need to do a reboot
[22:30] <BluesKaj> or a relogin
[22:30] <pim> ok brb
[22:33] <pim> Hm spellcheck still doesn't work
[22:33] <pim> at all
[22:34] <BluesKaj> I think you have to enable it
[22:34] <pim> where?
[22:34] <pim> Im searching for options nwo :p
[22:34] <BluesKaj> bt clicking it in tools
[22:34] <BluesKaj> by
[22:36] <pim> well I can't get it to work
[22:36] <pim> anyway it's 23:36 and I'm dead tired
[22:36] <pim> and I have school tomorrow
[22:36] <pim> So thanks for helping BluesKaj
[22:36] <pim> cu later
[22:40] <francois> hi can someone help me with my ppp connection ?
[22:42] <makaveli> kde4 was buggy as hell when i tried it
[22:49] <jhun> salut
[22:52] <jhutchins_wk> BluesKaj: #openoffice.org
[22:53] <Dragnslcr> Will Kubuntu recognize a new SATA drive that gets connected while the system is running?
[22:54] <vlt> Hello. What program causes the popup dialog when I insert an Audio CD, for example?
[22:54] <vlt> Dragnslcr: Yes, if your BIOS supports it.
[22:54] <erich> I have a fresh clean hardy install... but the wlan is not working... any help? http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/160
[22:55] <Dragnslcr> vlt- it's a relatively new motherboard (bought last year) that has hardware RAID for the SATA controllers, so I'd guess that the BIOS shouldn't have a problem with it. Thanks
[23:03] <bobbyyu> Hi, I use XSane, but recently, it tells me that the device was busy; I can't access it.
[23:08] <ep> What are the negatives to 8.04 (KDE 4 remix)?  You folks recomend this?
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> test it as a liveCD, or install it after installing the kde3... but don't just install the remix
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> install it afterwards with "apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[23:11] <ep> okay, good advice :)
[23:11] <uga> sts_: sigh, your university stole my precious domain name ;)
[23:17] <navetz> can somebody please help me with my apache LAMP server, I can not go to localhost unless I am online, I can't do work without an internet connection.
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> Is there anything I have to run to get a newly-connected SATA drive detected? Just hoping to be able to format the drive and copy some stuff to it without rebooting
[23:18] <william_>  sometimes downloaded movie clips (usually in divX) allow viewing but not fast forwarding.  what causes that and how to fix it
[23:18] <william_> dragnslcr usually it does automatically?
[23:18] <level1_> hi, I can't seem to run qt designer... the package is install, but how do I run it?
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr: you can't hotplug those things :P
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> nosrednaekim- heh
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> level1_: designer-qt4
[23:19] <william_> yes you can
[23:19] <william_> sata are hotpluggable
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> In linux? really?
[23:19] <william_> not sure about in linux but the specs allow for it
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> I've seen some forum posts where people couldn't get new drives detected
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I knew SATA is hot-swappable
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> Just wasn't sure if Ubuntu would detect the new disk
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> A /dev/sdc didn't show up
[23:20] <meddler> Good evening, I am new to kubuntu and am having difficulty with my wireless connection, here goes:  I am running Kubutu 8.04 on my acer aspire 4315, I can connect via a wired network, and have installed the atheros network driver netathr.inf  I was running the same distribution up until the weekend when I reinstalled as I loaded ubuntu studio and only half the applications worked - for some reason I can't find the list of
[23:20] <meddler> available wireless networks to connect to - apologies if this is long winded
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> I've never tried before, so I wasn't sure if there's a command that will scan the SATA controllers for new devices
[23:21] <william_> maybe mount?
[23:22] <william_> im noob i know but now the good dr_willis is here
[23:22] <Dragnslcr> Heh
[23:22] <Dr_willis> i am out of here in 9 min.
[23:22] <Dragnslcr> I know mount requires an entry in /dev first, and there's no /dev/sdc
[23:23] <Dragnslcr> Dr_willis- I'm just trying to see if Ubuntu will recognize a new SATA drive or if I have to reboot
[23:23] <Dr_willis> hot plugged?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[23:25] <Dr_willis> good luck with that. :)
[23:25] <Dr_willis> I do recall some hotplug utilities
[23:26] <Dragnslcr> Heh, I can just reboot
[23:26] <william_> Dr_willis: some of the videos i downloaded are in a weird form of divX that doesnt allow fast forwarding.  what is that and how can i fix it?
[23:26] <Dragnslcr> Got a new 500 GB drive. Gonna copy everything from the 250 that had Windows on it and set that up as a RAID mirror
[23:27] <Dragnslcr> Then set up Keep to make backups to the 500
[23:27] <Dr_willis> william_,  ive seen that issue with some badly done videos. some sort of index that ive seen avidmux rebuild/correct.
[23:27] <william_> you rock doc
[23:27] <Dr_willis> william_,  i recall vlc  or mplayer correcting them also..  I think
[23:32] <tzd> Dragnslcr: so Keep is a great tool for backups? Been looking for something to handle backups :)
[23:32] <root> hola
[23:33] <NickPresta> tzd, I like Keep. That, or an rsync bash script :)
[23:34] <Dragnslcr> tzd- I've never used it, but it looks pretty simple to set up
[23:34] <tzd> NickPresta: Will Keep copy all things I might need in case of a hdd failure?
[23:34] <tzd> Dragnslcr: ah ok.
[23:34] <Dragnslcr> I would think that Keep is just a frontend for rsync
[23:35] <nat2610> are there a shortcut to go from a desktop to another one with kde ?
[23:35] <NickPresta> tzd, keep is configurable in almost every way you could want. :)
[23:35] <tzd> nat2610:  try ctrl + Fkey
[23:35] <nat2610> thanks
[23:35] <nat2610> tzd:  that was that
[23:36] <tzd> nat2610: good :)
[23:36] <tzd> NickPresta: ah sweet! I need to try it out then. I'm ab it of a newbie when it comes to backups for linux but the longer I wait the more scared I get ;P
[23:37] <Dragnslcr> tzd- correction, it uses rdiff
[23:37] <tzd> Dragnslcr: ok, a bit over my skills now ^^
[23:37] <root> good tsd
[23:40] <NikLP> I hope you guys are more helpful than the ubuntu channel... lot of chaff on there...
[23:40] <NikLP> I'm running MS VirtualPC 2007 with a 1.5GB disk, install fails like "an installation step failed .. select and install software" should I make the virtual disk bigger? (VPC said it would auto-grow it, but I'm not sure)
[23:40] <NikLP> 8.04
[23:41] <root> HABLAN ESPA├æOL
[23:42] <root> LO NESECITO
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> NikLP- 1.5 GB probably won't be big enough for anything more than a minimal system
[23:42] <Dragnslcr> !es | root
[23:43] <NikLP> Dragnslcr: sure - but it just fails - I get no options - should I just increase that anyway and hope for the best? Seems like an option, but I don't want to waste another 30 mins if someone here knows better :)
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> Automagically expanding the size of a virtual disk is entirely up the VM system
[23:44] <Dragnslcr> I would think the Kubuntu installer would check for free disk space before starting the installation, but the VM might not be reporting it correctly
[23:45] <NikLP> right so grow that sucka, yeah?
[23:45] <NikLP> wasn't sure how much linux had grown in the last xx years :/
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> The base system would probably fit in 1.5 GB easily, but KDE adds quite a bit
[23:46] <NikLP> ah well
[23:46] <NikLP> I have pretty limited space is all... I'll clear down and see what I can do from there, thanks :)
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> Eh, disk space is dirt cheap this days
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> 500 GB drive for under $100
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> Good luck with it
[23:48] <NikLP> yeah I'm on a laptop with 40GB total at the moment, so we'll see what we can do. I just upgraded to 1GB RAM this MORNING, so you can see where I'm at :)
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> Hehe, good point
[23:49] <Dragnslcr> 'Course that's why I like desktops. I just dropped in a new 500 GB drive
[23:54] <lukasz> witajcie ludu !!
[23:54] <lukasz> :D
[23:55] <lukasz> jest ktos z Was kto by sie znal na konfiguracji wifi? :/
[23:55] <NickPresta> !pl | lukasz
[23:56] <lukasz> thx


[09:25]  * thumper needs a pretty trivial review:
[09:25] <thumper> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thumper/launchpad/fix-branch-active-reviews/+merge/17574 please
[09:29] <stub> done
[09:29] <mwhudson> ah, racing approvals
[09:37] <thumper> ta
[10:50] <henninge> Bring out you dead!
[10:50] <henninge> s/you/your/
[10:53] <adiroiban> henninge: Hi, can we take a look at bug 340662 ?
[10:53] <mup> Bug #340662: "Change details" for POTemplate should allow maintainers some more freedom <qa-bad> <ui> <Launchpad Translations:Fix Committed by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/340662>
[10:54] <adiroiban> and bug 507498
[10:54] <mup> Bug #507498: AttributeError on potemplate page <oops> <Launchpad Translations:In Progress by henninge> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/507498>
[10:54] <henninge> adiroiban: yes, I was looking at that atm.
[10:54] <henninge> adiroiban: Hi!
[10:56] <henninge> adiroiban: where is the new branch?
[10:57] <adiroiban> it is attached to the bug report, lp:~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-340662-take-2
[10:57] <henninge> oh
[10:57] <henninge> :)
[10:57] <adiroiban> there is no MP
[10:58] <adiroiban> since I was waiting for some feedback
[10:58] <adiroiban> for the last bug comment
[11:00] <henninge> I see
[11:00] <henninge> adiroiban: I am reading the original diff atm and will then look at the new branch.
[11:02] <henninge> adiroiban: Code reviews are meant to check that the code adheres to coding standards and has good test coverage.
[11:03] <henninge> adiroiban: For a discussion on how to fix the bug properly you need to have a pre-implementation call or chat with some-one who knows the subject.
[11:03] <henninge> henninge: The reviewer should make sure this has happened.
[11:08] <henninge> adiroiban: The changes in take-2 look good.
[11:09] <adiroiban> henninge: :) . Then I can consider this a pre-implementation chat and create the  MP for this branch ?
[11:09] <henninge> adiroiban: Well, we are already mid-implementation ... ;-)
[11:09] <henninge> adiroiban: You will still have to update xx-potemplate-edit.txt.
[11:09] <adiroiban> or post?
[11:09] <adiroiban> post-implementation :)
[11:10] <henninge> yes, probably ... ;)
[11:10] <henninge> actually, mid-implmentation is not that uncommon because often you will start a branch by "trying out" what might help and then discuss your findings for a proper fix.
[11:11] <henninge> adiroiban: also, I have not yet completely understood the need for EditPOTemplateSubset insecurity.py
[11:11] <henninge> adiroiban: when is it used exactly?
[11:12] <adiroiban> to set „is_current” for a template where is_current=false
[11:12] <adiroiban> In this case IPoTemplsteSubset is used, instead of IPOTemplate
[11:13] <henninge> adiroiban: where does that happen? on +templates?
[11:13] <adiroiban> or this is what I understood from a previous chat with Danilo, regarding the same issue for Ubuntu translation coordinators
[11:14] <adiroiban> +edit
[11:14] <henninge> let me look at this in detail
[11:14] <adiroiban> at the URL traversal
[11:14] <danilos> adiroiban, oh, hi :) I hope you don't take the comments I made too harsh, it was mostly about the problem with the review, since review should ensure pre-imp chat has happened
[11:17] <adiroiban> danilos: Hi! Don't worry, it was constructive feedback. Still, I've proposed some brainless code, so it is also my fault.
[11:17] <adiroiban> henninge: at browser/potemplate.py
[11:17] <adiroiban> POTemplateSubsetNavigation
[11:17] <adiroiban> around line 715
[11:17] <henninge> adiroiban: Oh, it's for the navigation
[11:18] <henninge> Ahhhh, now I get it! ;-)
[11:18] <adiroiban> there is that code that I don't fully understand why it is there
[11:19] <adiroiban> and I was thinking maybe there is a way to use IPotemplate for both enabled and disabled templates
[11:20] <henninge> adiroiban: well, the context for traversing to a template is the subset that this template is from.
[11:21] <henninge> adiroiban: indicated by the "+pots" in the url
[11:22] <henninge> adiroiban: Or are you saying "Why check permissions on the Subset here and not on the template itself?"
[11:22] <adiroiban> henninge: yes
[11:22] <henninge> check_permission('launchpad.Edit', potemplate)
[11:22] <henninge> like that?
[11:23] <henninge> adiroiban: Did you say that danilo had a reason for it and you didn't understand it?
[11:23] <adiroiban> henninge: I was hoping to see the permission checking in browser/configure.zcml for +edit for IPOTemplate. I'm still reading about zope adapters
[11:24] <adiroiban> henninge: well, Danilo told me that code is not really ok... but while there is no branch to come with a better implemention we will live with it
[11:24] <danilos> adiroiban, the first question to ask is: what exactly was wrong with existing permissions? (some things are assumed for launchpad.Edit permission, so you don't have to write a specific implementation for everything)
[11:24] <henninge> lol
[11:25] <danilos> adiroiban, i.e. what didn't work before and what did change with the introduction of EditPOTemplateSubset permission?
[11:25] <adiroiban> danilos: with the current permission, a person could not re enable the template after it was disabled
[11:25] <danilos> adiroiban, i.e. who wasn't able to access the +edit form and now is, an who was and now isn't?
[11:26] <adiroiban> +edit is not available if is_current=false
[11:27] <danilos> adiroiban, right, so how is that implemented?
[11:27] <adiroiban> Henning asked me the same question and I tried to answer him
[11:27] <adiroiban> browser/potemplate.py, POTemplateSubsetNavigation, around line 715
[11:28] <adiroiban> the „chain” is broken in URL traversal for IPOTempalteSubset
[11:29] <danilos> adiroiban, at least EditPOTemplateDetails doesn't have the limitation
[11:30] <danilos> adiroiban, well, then that should be changed
[11:30] <danilos> adiroiban, i.e. simply use what henninge suggested above (check for 'launchpad.Edit' on potemplate object instead of on context)
[11:31] <danilos> adiroiban, (sorry for not re-reading the entire discussion)
[11:31] <adiroiban> danilos: np.
[11:31] <adiroiban> henninge, danilos: thanks for the explanation
[11:32] <henninge> that would make the new permission EditPOTemplateSubset superflouus
[11:32] <danilos> adiroiban, the reason traverse() in there is like that is so we'd give a 404 instead of 'permission denied' for "deleted" templates
[11:32] <danilos> henninge, exactly
[11:32] <henninge> and possibly AdminPOTemplateSubset, too? I cannot imagine it'd be used anywhere else.
[11:32] <adiroiban> yep
[11:33] <adiroiban> henninge: yes. I will also remove the AdminPOTemplateSubset
[11:33] <danilos> adiroiban, henninge: however, this will break the privilege for UTCs, because now they won't be able to traverse to it anymore for Ubuntu templates
[11:34] <danilos> adiroiban, henninge: so, EditPOTemplateDetails would have to be extended to check for UTCs like other new permissions do
[11:34] <adiroiban> danilos: but UTCs should have launchpad.Edit for +edit on IPoTemplate
[11:34] <danilos> adiroiban, they should, I am not sure they do (i.e. my reading of EditPOTemplateDetails suggests they don't; if it's ok, even better :)
[11:34] <adiroiban> danilos: ok. so now, I will just remove EditPOTemplateSubset
[11:35] <danilos> adiroiban, ah, right, it extends AdminPOTemplateDetails, so it does, it's all good
[11:35] <adiroiban> and fix the other problem in another branch
[11:36] <danilos> adiroiban, what other problem? "name" being exposed? fwiw, I consider that one more important, because it can lead to inconsistent data in the DB, and we can't guarantee that project maintainers understand things about Launchpad templates like UTCs or rosetta-admins do not to mess it up
[11:36] <danilos> s/do not/to not/
[11:36] <adiroiban> danilos: no. the other problem is removing AdminPOTemplateSubset and checking UTCs rights
[11:37] <danilos> adiroiban, ah, right, good call to keep that a separate branch
[11:37] <henninge> adiroiban: I think you can still remove AdminPOTemplateSubset.
[11:37] <henninge> adiroiban: as danilo pointed out, the UTC rights are also checked in AdminPOTemplateDetails.
[11:38] <henninge> ;-)
[11:38] <danilos> henninge, I agree, but let's keep it a separate branch so we fix the most immediate problems first, and then worry about cleanup (or, if it's really that simple, let's just remove it, but we are close to the release week so I would like us to be extra careful with QA)
[11:38] <henninge> right
[11:39] <henninge> adiroiban: all questions solved? ;-)
[11:39] <adiroiban> henninge: nope :D
[11:40] <henninge> adiroiban: go ahead! :)
[11:40] <adiroiban> I have some (general) questions regarding writing tests
[11:40] <henninge> ok, good.
[11:41] <adiroiban> so „stories” are functional tests and we only write stories for the most common use cases
[11:42] <henninge> yes, and they are page tests.
[11:43] <adiroiban> then there are browser/tests and they are also functional or unit tests?
[11:43] <adiroiban> why do we use „private” methods in browser/tests ?
[11:44] <henninge> because the tests are bad? ;)
[11:44] <henninge> i.e. test and browser code should not import from model code at all - public or private code
[11:44] <henninge> ideally.
[11:45] <adiroiban> and there are also doc and tests
[11:46] <henninge> adiroiban: sorry, missed a point earlier
[11:46] <henninge> browser/tests should be view tests that perform a unit test on the view code.
[11:47] <henninge> doc tests should be mainly to document model code, just like stories document browser code (i.e. the whole page9
[11:47] <adiroiban> ok. stories are like „smoke testings”
[11:47] <adiroiban> and browser/tests are unit testing for the view
[11:47] <henninge> right
[11:47] <henninge> and tests are unit tests for the model code.
[11:48] <adiroiban> henninge: thanks!
[11:49] <adiroiban> henninge: can I add this info to https://dev.launchpad.net/Testing ?
[11:49] <henninge> adiroiban: oh yeah, that page i awfully short...
[11:49] <henninge> is
[11:53] <henninge> adiroiban: just remember that you will find a lot of code that violates these conventions, espcially older code.
[12:02] <adiroiban> henninge: I will keep that in mind :)
[12:02] <adiroiban> so in LP parlance, „smoke tests” are functional tests ?
[12:03] <adiroiban> or how do you call the type of tests from stories and doc ?
[12:07] <henninge> adiroiban: well, I guess that is the most common error that we have in the tree.
[12:08] <henninge> a lot of doc tests are used as functional tests when they really should be unit tests.
[12:08] <henninge> I think.
[12:08] <henninge> ;)
[12:57] <stub> henninge: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/replication/+merge/17454 is a possible cherry pick (I guess depending if the failure mode hits us again)
[12:58] <stub> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/bug-504291-disconnection-errors/+merge/17371 is a bug fix - I doubt it bites enough for CP but that is for QA to decide.
[14:49] <jamalta> Hi, I'm getting ready to create a merge proposal for a branch, and I'm wondering where exactly I put the cover letter. Would that be the description of the merge proposal?
[14:51] <adiroiban> jamalta: yes
[14:52] <jamalta> adiroiban: thanks
[14:52] <adiroiban> jamalta: just make sure you had a pre-implementation chat
[14:53] <jamalta> adiroiban: i had discussed the bug with sinzui last week :)
[14:54] <adiroiban> jamalta: great, than you should be ready for the MP :)
[14:55] <jamalta> adiroiban: just finishing up the MP description, will be ready in a few minutes
[14:59] <jamalta> ok i think i'm ready for a review, it's a trivial bug so it shouldn't take long
[14:59] <jamalta> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jamalta/launchpad/changesfile-253525/+merge/17587
[15:02] <adiroiban> jamalta: Henning will review it. To signal that you are waiting for an review, add your irc nick in to topic (ex queue [jamalta])
[15:03] <jamalta> adiroiban: alright
[15:04] <jamalta> adiroiban: thanks :)
[15:30] <henninge> jamalta: Hi! Looking at it now.
[15:31] <jamalta> henninge: thanks
[15:36] <henninge> jamalta: do you know the "extract_text" function?
[15:36] <jamalta> henninge: no
[15:36] <henninge> jamalta: Please have a look at lib/canonical/launchpad/doc/pagetest_helpers.txt to read about it.
[15:37] <jamalta> henninge: alright
[15:39] <henninge> jamalta: could you please apply that in xx-distroseries-sources.txt to get rid of the HTML code in the tests? Find all occurances in that file for bonus points. ;)
[15:40] <jamalta> henninge: sounds good, i'll do that
[15:42] <henninge> jamalta: cool, thank you. I see no other issues with the branch.
[15:42] <jamalta> henninge: awesome
[15:46] <jamalta> henninge: so just to make sure i'm doing this right, this is how it should look using extract_text, right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/358552/
[15:46] <jamalta> the test seems to succeed that way, just wanted to be sure
[15:46] <henninge> jamalta: exactly!
[15:47] <henninge> jamalta: btw, looks like no bonus points to get in that file ... ;(
[15:48] <jamalta> henninge: what do you mean?
[15:48] <jamalta> henninge: also, i can't really change this to use extract_text http://paste.ubuntu.com/358554/
[15:48] <jamalta> considering it is testing the tags themselve
[15:48] <henninge> jamalta: Yes, I was just looking at that.
[15:49] <henninge> jamalta: what you could do is use BeautifulSoup to extract the tag and its href attribute.
[15:49] <henninge> jamalta: do you know about BeautifulSoup?
[15:50]  * jamalta goes digging for BeautifulSoup docs
[15:50] <jamalta> no
[15:50] <henninge> http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html
[15:50] <henninge> jamalta: pagetest_helpers builds on top of BeautifulSoup, so you have all that available.
[15:53] <jamalta> henninge: guess i should use BeautifulSoup for this test as well, http://paste.ubuntu.com/358558/
[15:53] <jamalta> considering it isn't testing the content of publishing_history, but that a link exists with that content
[15:53] <jamalta> and target
[15:54] <henninge> jamalta: yes, that would be good, too.
[15:54] <henninge> jamalta: two things to note:
[15:55] <henninge> #1 Using bs and extract_text is better because using ... on HTML causes the whole of the  HTML to appear in the output if the test fails.
[15:55] <henninge> that makes for very unreadable test failures.
[15:56] <henninge> also, what if "publishing_history" will be changed to be an "ul" in the future? It does not really matter for the test, does it?
[15:56] <jamalta> henninge: not at all, that makes complete sense
[15:57] <henninge> #2 On the other had, doing too heavy BeautifulSouping can make you too dependent on the structure, too.
[15:57] <henninge> s/had/hand/
[15:57] <jamalta> the test should only check that the a tag is there, pointing at the right thing, with the right string. correct?
[15:57] <jamalta> henninge: that makes sense
[15:57] <henninge> yes, if you can pick out the tag, that's best.
[15:58] <henninge> jamalta: it is ok to add id's or classes just to be able to pick something out for a test.
[15:59] <henninge> only use id's when you are sure the element can not occur multiple times on the page.
[15:59] <jamalta> henninge: alright, that can makes things easier
[16:03] <henninge> jamalta: so there are bonus points in this file! ;-)
[16:03] <henninge> big ones, too.
[16:03] <jamalta> henninge: hm.. i'll see if i can find them all then :) heh
[16:04] <henninge> jamalta: Hey, I think you identified the two cases with those <a>-tags.
[16:07] <henninge> jamalta: there is an example of handling such a case in that file, btw. Line 252.
[16:09] <jamalta> so browser.getLink is using BeautifulSoup then?
[16:12] <jamalta> ok i think i'm getting the hang of this
[16:12] <jamalta> the only bottleneck is how long it takes to run a test  >< Lol
[16:20] <jamalta> that' sodd
[16:20] <jamalta> i'm using browser.getLink().url
[16:20] <jamalta> the first time it just printed the url
[16:20] <jamalta> but on a different test, the url was inside single quotes
[16:24] <henninge> jamalta: that should be because it is "print"ed in the one case.
[16:24] <henninge> jamalta: using "print" to test a value is the preferred way, btw.
[16:27] <jamalta> henninge: oh, right, ok
[16:27] <jamalta> i'll fix that
[16:29] <jamalta> should i change others that don't use print?
[16:47] <jamalta> henninge: ok, i have resubmitted the proposal
[16:50] <henninge> jamalta: cool, I will look at it in a minute
[16:50] <jamalta> henninge: thanks, whenever you have time
[16:51] <henninge> jamalta: I'll be leaving soon, so there is not much time .... ;-)
[16:51] <jamalta> henninge: uh oh, heh
[16:51] <jamalta> i guess not!
[16:53] <henninge> still here
[16:53] <jamalta> henninge: hmm?
[16:54] <henninge> jamalta: you can just leave the state of the mp in "Needs review", btw.
[16:54] <henninge> oh, it's a new one!
[16:54] <jamalta> henninge: i clicked "resubmit proposal"
[16:54] <jamalta> that is what i was instructed to do before
[16:54] <henninge> jamalta: ah, I see.
[16:54] <henninge> really? I have never used that ...
[16:55] <henninge> np
[16:55] <jamalta> does the MP update itself if i push to the branch?
[16:55] <henninge> jamalta: yes
[16:55] <jamalta> oh it does
[16:55] <jamalta> i didn't know that :)
[16:55] <jamalta> ok, next time i won't do that.. sorry
[16:56] <jamalta> i can't really remember who told me to do it that way, it was quite a while ago
[16:57] <henninge> jamalta: Cool, I forgot about getLink! BIG BONUS POINTS ;)
[16:58] <jamalta> henninge: hehe, that's the best example i could find on how to do that
[16:58] <jamalta> henninge: thanks
[16:58] <henninge> jamalta: yes, that is the best way to do it!
[16:59] <henninge> jamalta: so, the only thing is that I think the change in line 129 is too much.
[16:59] <henninge> the text explains that the emailaddress is linkified to the user's LP home page and the test should verify that.
[17:00] <jamalta> henninge: alright
[17:00] <henninge> you could add a "..." to omit the classes, though, as they are not important for the test.
[17:00] <jamalta> so i should be testing that against the html?
[17:01] <henninge> jamalta: it is already drilled down to the <a>-tag, so that is fine.
[17:01] <jamalta> i could change that to use getLink instead
[17:01] <jamalta> that way i can do it the same way as the other tests
[17:01] <henninge> oh, that is a good idea, too
[17:01] <henninge> getLink on the email address
[17:01] <jamalta> henninge: right
[17:01] <henninge> splendid
[17:02] <jamalta> making sure what i did works, and i'll push it up
[17:02] <henninge> please do, no new mp needed
[17:02] <jamalta> henninge: of course ;).. won't do that again
[17:02] <henninge> jamalta: what we usually do is add a comment with an incremental diff.
[17:03] <jamalta> henninge: ah.. makes sense
[17:04] <jamalta> henninge: ok posted it
[17:05] <henninge> jamalta: please also add a commit message and I'll land it for you.
[17:05] <jamalta> henninge: hm. by incremental diff, do you mean a diff of the things changed for that update, or a special kind of diff?
[17:05] <henninge> "Set commit message"
[17:05] <henninge> Yes, just a diff of the last changes.
[17:05] <jamalta> that would be for the whole branch, not just what i did, right?
[17:05] <henninge> no just what you did
[17:05] <jamalta> ok
[17:06] <henninge> jamalta: ah yes, that's what I meant ;-)
[17:06] <jamalta> henninge: done
[17:06] <henninge> adiroiban: I am sorry, but I am done for the day ...
[17:06] <adiroiban> henninge: don't worry
[17:07] <adiroiban> I just added the MP in the queue :)
[17:07] <adiroiban> it's not the end of the world
[17:08] <henninge> adiroiban: ;-)
[17:08] <henninge> adiroiban: are you around tomorrow? We need to talk about the UDW session!
[17:09] <adiroiban> henninge: yep. I'm around
[17:09] <adiroiban> I have uploaded the virtual machine
[17:09] <adiroiban> and I was planning for tonigh to write a quick blog post
[17:09] <adiroiban> and asking for some feedback before the session
[17:10] <henninge> cool, good idea
[17:10] <adiroiban> like give a homework
[17:10] <adiroiban> and discuss it durring the session
[17:10] <henninge> adiroiban: ok, let's talk about that tomorrow
[17:11] <adiroiban> but I will just gather my thoughts and tomorrow we shall see
[17:11] <adiroiban> yep
[17:13] <jamalta> henninge: thanks for everything :)
[17:14] <henninge> a pleasure
[19:25] <jamalta> Hi there, I wanted to see if I could take a stab at bug #498643
[19:25] <mup> Bug #498643: 'destination ppa' dropdown should show the url too <trivial> <ui> <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/498643>
[19:25] <jamalta> So I just need someone to have a pre-implementation chat with :)
[22:54] <deryck> intellectronica, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/no-lp-bugs-homepage-439245/+merge/17634
[23:58]  * kfogel is away: afk for some hours; see you antipodal people later probably


[00:19] <Blazeix> rick_h: did you see this go by? http://javascriptjabber.com/004-jsj-backbone-js-with-jeremy-ashkenas/
[00:19] <Blazeix> know you're not 100% in the backbone camp, but there are some neat topics
[00:20] <rick_h> Blazeix: I saw someone reference the podcast, but hadn't looked at the topics/etc
[00:20]  * rick_h adds it to give a listen
[00:36] <tjagoda> wokawoka
[00:43] <rick_h> that good eh?
[00:54] <snap-l> oy
[01:01] <jcastro> rick_h: I trolled you in my latest blog
[01:04] <tjagoda> lol
[01:11] <rick_h> jcastro: hah! /me runs to look
[01:14] <rick_h> jcastro: oh boo. You don't have to learn vim (but you should) it's the cmd line I don't think everyone should be excused from :0
[01:14] <jcastro> But I do know vim!
[01:14] <jcastro> all the antipatterns anyway
[01:14] <jcastro> :)
[01:49] <brousch> vim is awesome
[01:49] <brousch> i am addicted
[01:50] <rick_h> brousch: :)
[01:59] <brousch> now i feel crippled when another editor pops up
[03:02] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK_iIPly3mM&feature=relmfu
[03:41] <brousch> is evernote broken?
[03:43] <snap-l> Don't use it, so not sure.
[12:13] <rick_h> morning party people
[12:13] <brousch> in the place to be
[12:13] <brousch> car shopping today. wife decided subaru impreza, legacy, outback, or forester
[12:14] <rick_h> outback ftw
[12:15] <brousch> well the only outback in our price range is a 2004
[12:15] <brousch> and it's out in grand haven, about 45mins away
[12:15] <rick_h> ah
[12:15] <brousch> i should say in our price and mileage range
[12:16] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/KMydFP0CsRH2lVVAS8C1/
[12:17] <snap-l> Haf of me wants to sell him every OMC episode for 1 billion dollars each
[12:22] <rick_h> booo, always do upgrades in a screen session :/
[12:22] <snap-l> rick_h: Session tanked overnight?
[12:22] <rick_h> did an upgrade, left it alone, couldn't get the display back up at all
[12:23] <rick_h> so rebooted, only now things are hosed and won't boot
[12:23] <snap-l> lovely
[12:23] <rick_h> yep, guessing the upgrade stalled and asked for something and I rebooted with it incomplete
[12:39] <brousch> rick_h: what blew up?
[12:39] <rick_h> brousch: my precise desktop
[12:39] <brousch> doh
[12:39] <rick_h> yea
[12:47] <brousch> dogfood not so good :(
[12:47] <rick_h> naw, it's just a result of the desktop not getting love nad being stacked over on synergy
[12:47] <rick_h> and I ran the update without following it until the next day
[12:48] <rick_h> meh, not totally surprised I guess. I even thought about ssh'ing into the machine when the screen didn't come back.  :P
[13:00] <brousch> tjagoda: apparently he has a following at my wife's work too
[13:00] <tjagoda> Without facebook how would I be kept in the loop about George's antics?
[13:00] <brousch> rick_h: it's where you go to argue about evolution and post funny quotes from your kids
[13:01] <tjagoda> Surely nobody else has cracked this social technology?!
[13:01] <rick_h> tjagoda: haven't you need the meme?
[13:03] <tjagoda> "@rick__H: I do all my coding in OpenOffice writer!"
[13:03] <rick_h> heh, I answered that reddit already today :P
[13:04] <brousch> If you can hear the rap music over the sound of your typing, you need new springs on your keyboard
[13:04] <tjagoda> wtf, seriously?  OO.o coding?
[13:04] <rick_h> http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/porwg/your_python_editor_of_choice/
[13:05] <tjagoda> The original question is not as stupid as I was hoping it would be.
[13:06] <rick_h> http://blog.monitis.com/index.php/2012/02/13/python-performance-tips-part-1/
[13:08] <tjagoda> Is Launchpad done primarily in Python?
[13:08] <rick_h> yes
[13:08] <brousch> rick_h: do you use gunicorn on bookie?
[13:09] <snap-l> GOod morning again from the other side of the screen. :)
[13:09] <rick_h> brousch: the dev server when you run " make run_dev" uses it
[13:09] <rick_h> brousch: but bmark.us is deployed with uwsgi + nginx
[13:09] <brousch> gunicorn worked easily on heroku
[13:09] <tjagoda> No wonder its so damn slow! =P
[13:10] <rick_h> brousch: cool
[13:10] <rick_h> I'd have figured they'd run your wsgi app itself vs proxying but ok
[13:12] <brousch> heh sqlalchemy insertion guy is doing it on windows
[13:12] <brousch> found your bottleneck!
[13:14] <rick_h> naw, but writing out an answer about how transations work and all that will be too much work
[13:14] <rick_h> and the answer should be "use your damn db import mechanism"
[13:17] <snap-l> rick_h: Oh God yes
[13:18] <snap-l> What do you want to bet he / she is using SQLite as well. :)
[13:19] <tjagoda> Have not heard anything from Geek.net yet
[13:19] <tjagoda>  /sadtrombone
[13:33] <brousch> snap-l: i think i saw a My in there, so probably mysql
[13:35] <snap-l> tjagoda: It may take some time
[13:36] <snap-l> brousch: That's not much of an improvement. :)
[13:37] <tjagoda> snap-l: Are you inferring that the universe does not revolve around me personally?
[13:37] <tjagoda> If you are, I am not a fan of this inference. =(
[13:37] <snap-l> tjagoda: Hate to break it to you, but you're just an extra in my play.
[13:38] <tjagoda> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:40] <snap-l> Rocking the morning with Mc 900ft Jesus - Truth is out of style.
[14:01] <tjagoda> I was reading the Geek.net financial statements sunday
[14:01] <tjagoda> Shit hit the fan for them in 2010
[14:01] <tjagoda> No wonder that they restructured
[14:10] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[14:10] <snap-l> I'm not mad at them for laying me off
[15:11] <tjagoda> Would it be acceptable to wallpaper this as a mural in my office?
[15:11] <tjagoda> http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/425989_10150560104462198_728877197_9231165_60585187_n.jpg
[15:12] <rick_h> think you're going to want a larger res image
[15:12] <rick_h> and you can forget picking up any ladies from the office I think :)
[15:12] <tjagoda> Or only the RIGHT ladies.
[15:13] <rick_h> heh
[15:15] <tjagoda> I love that my Boss believes he is an awesome communicator
[15:15] <tjagoda> when in reality he is terrible
[15:16] <tjagoda> Reason #467 which makes this a stress-free workplace!
[15:16] <tjagoda> PLZ HIRE ME GEEKNET
[15:16] <tjagoda> WILL WORK FOR CARDBOARD BOXES
[15:30] <snap-l> tjagoda: Oh, he's no Winston Churchill?
[15:48] <tjagoda> The opposite of Winston Churchill
[15:48] <tjagoda> Impossible to tell when he's angry because his voice does not change, takes 20 minutes to say something that should be 5 words, forgets to tell me when meeting times change
[15:48] <tjagoda> etc.
[15:49] <tjagoda> Also bad at the hearing part of listening
[15:49] <tjagoda> =P
[15:49] <tjagoda> "This will take four months."
[15:49] <tjagoda> "So are we looking at 2 or 3 months?"
[15:49] <tjagoda> "...This will take four months."
[15:50] <rick_h> that's just the manager in him.
[15:50] <rick_h> "ok, so what you mean is that if I manage you well it can be half that. Nothing can possibly take 4 months to do"
[15:51] <tjagoda> Thats actually step two
[15:51] <tjagoda> Step one is just getting him to hear the same words you said
[15:51] <tjagoda> Step two is him then doing the manager =(
[15:51] <snap-l> "Claim your 300% Euro today - offer expires at midnight."
[15:52] <tjagoda> Its like double-manager psychology
[15:52] <snap-l> What's the exchange rate on 300% nowadays?
[15:52] <snap-l> tjagoda: Doing the manager?
[15:52] <snap-l> Is that a dance move, or an aspiration? :)
[15:52] <tjagoda> I found on ebay last night that my Lego Millennium Falcon increased in value by 125%
[15:53] <tjagoda> Thus marking my first awesome purchase ever
[15:53] <snap-l> tjagoda: Completed auctions, or buy it now shennanigans?
[15:53] <tjagoda> Completed auctions
[15:53] <snap-l> Nice!
[15:53] <tjagoda> People bidding in 4-digit sums, ridiculous
[15:53] <snap-l> Damn
[15:54] <snap-l> Tried to convince JoDee that a Lego Tie Fighter was a reasonable purchase
[15:54] <snap-l> I don't think she bought it
[15:54] <tjagoda> http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Ultimate-Collectors-Millennium-Falcon/dp/B000WLW3W0
[15:54] <tjagoda> I promise you I paid nowhere near that sum
[15:54] <snap-l> Amazon is ridiculous for OOP stuff
[15:54] <tjagoda> The Ebay prices are a bit lower
[15:54] <tjagoda> in the 1200-1400 range
[15:54] <snap-l> someone marks something as a collectible, and pretty soon it's going for 500% above retail
[15:55] <jrwren> why didn't anyone tell me that pypy is so awesome?
[15:56] <rick_h> jrwren: because we didn't know you had cpu bound python2 problems?
[15:56] <snap-l> Honestly, if Amazon doesn't ship it from their warehouse, I'm more reluctant to purchase it
[15:56] <rick_h> snap-l: +1
[15:56] <jrwren> +1
[15:57] <snap-l> Which is humorous because I sell stuff on Amazon all the time. :)
[15:57] <jrwren> you do?
[15:57] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, mostly used books and shit
[15:57] <jrwren> cool
[15:58]  * snap-l is a long-time ebayer too, but don't sell there anymore
[15:58] <snap-l> They kept jerking around sellers
[15:58] <snap-l> Last straw was witholding payments if you didn't do X number of transactions per month or something
[15:59] <tjagoda> I like to think that people named "Regan" were named in some kind of honorary tribute to the former President Ronald Reagan.
[15:59] <snap-l> I don't remember what it was offhand, but it essentially meant they'd keep the money for a while if you weren't blowing out massive amounts of transactions per month
[15:59] <tjagoda> Or as you may have heard him colloquially referred to within the Republican party, "Jesus."
[16:00] <snap-l> which is anathema to someone who sells maybe 2 items per month online
[16:00] <snap-l> tjagoda: I love how Regan is revered in the Republican partyh.
[16:01] <tjagoda> Like an elevation to Sainthood
[16:01] <rick_h> jrwren: what are you doing with pypy?
[16:03] <snap-l> tjagoda: Pretty much
[16:03] <tjagoda> I think
[16:04] <tjagoda> that it is taco bell o-clock.
[16:04] <tjagoda> afk lunch
[16:13] <jrwren> nothing.
[16:13] <jrwren> but i just finally heard a desc of pypy more than just "python in python"
[16:13] <jrwren> i had no idea there was a native machine jitter
[16:14] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, it's pretty cool if you've got some cpu heavy stuff
[16:15] <jrwren> it sounds awesome.
[16:15] <jrwren> and has stackless options.
[16:16] <rick_h> it's done wonders for the native python implementation of libraries
[16:16] <jrwren> makes me want to try out a stackless greenlet-per-request server on it.
[16:16] <rick_h> heh
[16:16] <jrwren> well, ctypes are awesome.
[16:36] <rick_h> anyone tried https://github.com/scrooloose/syntastic
[16:41] <snap-l> rick_h: Not yet, but looks pretty interesting.
[16:45] <tjagoda> I like how terrified users get when I access the windows share and they realize I can inspect their entire PC at any time
[16:46] <rick_h> heh
[16:46] <rick_h> I used to get that when I took over their terminal server sessions
[16:46] <rick_h> nothing like taking over their mouse and clicking wherever the #@$#@ you feel like in front of them, especially when they're remote
[16:51] <tjagoda> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/rick-santorum-edges-mitt-romney-race-gop-presidential-nomination-poll-article-1.1022265?localLinksEnabled=false
[16:51] <tjagoda> As if Republicans weren't unlikely enough to win already
[16:54] <jrwren> wtf do people think when they are on a corporate networK?
[16:54] <snap-l> And this is why I use SSH tunnels whenever possible
[16:54] <jrwren> i used to remove domain admins from my local administrator group to try to prevent some of that, but I know as an AD joined machine, they can apply a GPO at any time to add it back.
[16:55] <tjagoda> When they're on a corporate network on corporate machines
[16:55] <jrwren> what I'm not sure about is if GPO can be applied without a reboot or relogin
[16:55] <snap-l> It's not that I do things that I think need to be private, it's because I don't like to broadcast what I'm doing.
[16:58] <snap-l> http://avinashsingh.wordpress.com/2007/04/05/a-myth-called-the-indian-programmer/
[16:59] <snap-l> Pretty broad strokes, but mirrors some of my experience.
[17:00] <snap-l> That said, we did get some very bright folks over at Chrysler.
[17:09] <jrwren> its a b.s. difference between "programmers" and "coders"
[17:09] <jrwren> IME there is no difference.
[17:09] <jrwren> the premise on which his post is written is a falacy
[17:09] <jrwren> that said, I completely understand what he is saying :)
[17:10] <snap-l> Yeah, the terminology is a bit wonky
[17:12] <snap-l> It's a little disturbing that the term Coder is somehow the more derogatory form of programmer
[17:12] <jrwren> its not in my book.
[17:12] <snap-l> I think it is up to us to rectify that and come  up with more derogatory terms
[17:13] <snap-l> keyboard jockey, perhaps?
[17:13] <jrwren> a top knoch coder is worth a ton
[17:13] <jrwren> but IME great coders are also architects.
[17:14] <snap-l> jcastro: Your post on "Your search sucks" is getting attention
[17:21] <jcastro> snap-l: it's on the reddit front page!
[17:21] <jcastro> good way to test me new blog, heh
[17:22] <rick_h> jcastro: do you have any stats on the new blog?
[17:22] <rick_h> just setup GA on it or something?
[17:22] <jcastro> I do
[17:22] <jcastro> in realtime. :)
[17:22] <rick_h> heh
[17:22] <jcastro> 75 people on right now
[17:22] <rick_h> ok dammit, I can't get that syntastic to do auto checking, but runs manuall
[17:22] <rick_h> grrrrr
[17:23] <jcastro> I either have realtime or from yesterday, not today as a while
[17:24] <rick_h> right
[17:24] <jrwren> how did you do that?
[17:24] <jrwren> build on GAE or something?
[17:24] <jcastro> just using normal google analytics
[17:24] <rick_h> GA has realtime beta stats now
[17:24] <jcastro> the realtime is beta
[17:24] <jcastro> it's pretty awesome
[17:24] <jrwren> ah, i see
[17:28] <snap-l> IT's not so awesome when you don't have people on your site. :)
[17:28] <jcastro> well, I certainly wasn't expecting a redditing
[17:29] <snap-l> jcastro: It's part of the Ubuntu Conspiracy
[17:29] <jcastro> S3 delivers!
[17:29] <jcastro> oh wait ... so much for being cheaper
[17:29] <snap-l> See, you moved to the cloud stuff and THEN posted your most throught-provoking post yet.
[17:29] <jcastro> get redditted the first day out the door
[17:30] <snap-l> jcastro: Well, at least you're not trying to scale Tumblr
[17:30] <jcastro> heh
[17:30] <snap-l> and releasing the tumblebeasts
[18:43] <snap-l> Apparently 1.4G takes a while to import into a MySQL database. ;)
[18:43] <rick_h> snap-l: did you turn off logging first?
[18:48] <snap-l> no, because I'm an idiot.
[18:49] <snap-l> Actually, it's not turned on by default in 5.1
[18:49] <snap-l> I think they wised up
[18:49] <rick_h> ah, yea should be able to turn off loggin, transactions, and crank an import pretty quick
[18:54] <snap-l> Unfortunately  I'm an hour into this
[18:55] <snap-l> so I'm loathe to stop it on the off-chance that it's 90% done
[18:56] <snap-l> And now that i look at how  it's handling this (ls -al), I'm going to cut bait.
[19:29] <jrwren> snap-l: we have a problem.
[19:29] <jrwren> i'm going to be out of state weekend of global bug jam.
[19:29] <jrwren> unless i have wrong day.
[19:33] <snap-l> March 3-5?
[19:33] <snap-l> jrwren: ^^
[19:34] <jrwren> :(
[19:35] <jrwren> i'm pinging coworkers to see if someone can facilitate
[19:35] <jrwren> i can't beleive i messed this up
[19:36] <jrwren> we were looking at saturday noon to 5p, right?
[19:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah
[19:36] <snap-l> Don't be hard on yourself. :)
[19:38] <jrwren> gmail or decafbad ?
[19:49] <snap-l> decafbad, please
[19:49] <jrwren> damn, used gmail
[19:50] <jrwren> sorry
[19:50] <jrwren> err... no... was waiting to hear back before I hit send.
[19:50] <jrwren> craig@ right?
[19:52] <snap-l> Yep
[19:52] <snap-l> That's OK, though - gmail forwards to decafb
[19:52] <snap-l> as
[19:53] <snap-l> bah, decafbad
[19:56] <snap-l> jrwren: Did you send something to gmail? I've not received it
[19:56] <jrwren> nah, had your email in the email to my coworkers in case they want to contact you
[20:02] <snap-l> OK, no worries.
[20:02] <snap-l> Thank you. :)
[20:31] <jrwren> no LVM option in the default installer :(
[20:31] <jrwren> I didn't realize this.
[20:31] <jrwren> i'm nub
[20:32] <snap-l> Yeah, you'll be better off using  the alternate installer
[20:42] <jrwren> i'll testdrive that next :)
[22:29] <brousch> 2009 subaru forester
[22:31] <jrwren> sounds expensive
[22:32] <tjagoda> Sounds Asian!
[22:32]  * tjagoda has fierce Chrysler loyalty =(
[22:33] <jrwren> always or just since they are italian?
[22:36] <tjagoda> Hey, man, its only 51%. ='(
[22:39] <rick_h> brousch: coolness
[22:51] <jcastro> rick_h: 6 cents
[22:51] <jcastro> that's what my blog has cost me after reddit today
[22:54] <Blazeix> send them a bill
[22:54] <rick_h> jcastro: :0
[22:54] <rick_h> :)
[23:15] <brousch> jcastro: only $14,000