[12:15] <MaTiAz> sercik: That looks really cool!
[12:15] <sercik> a nice distribution based on edgy! but now i don't use it anymore because i prefer the original!
[12:15] <sercik> thanks :)
[12:15] <sercik> i'm happy!
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> sec i'll make one of mine
[12:16] <sercik> Sure!
[12:18] <MaTiAz> Heh, mine's simple and ugly: http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4016/snapshot3bb1.jpg
[12:19] <MaTiAz> I never bother organizing my desktop to make it look good, as I'll always clutter it in a few days :)
[12:19] <sercik> mmmm i see utorrent!
[12:19] <sercik> i love that program
[12:19] <MaTiAz> Yeah, good thing it works via wine :)
[12:20] <sercik> i have done a good thing to my home!
[12:20] <sercik> i have a server / gateway running mldonkey and i use it to download everythink
[12:20] <sercik> i coonect to it throught sanco gui!
[12:21] <sercik> good night people! here is 00:21 AM
[12:22] <MaTiAz> 1:21AM here :) Night.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I don't see the necessity to run utorrent in Wine when ktorrent is actually as good or better
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> back
[12:24] <MaTiAz> BluesKaj: Well, each to their own :)
[12:25] <BluesKaj> brand loyalty i guess
[12:26] <darryl> any of you guys used VPN from Kubuntu to connect to office?
[12:28] <darryl> I am trying to figure out how to VPN
[12:28] <darryl> been searching all day to no avail
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> sercik: http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b27/shadoweater/snapshot1.png
[12:29] <BluesKaj> !google-linux | darryl
[12:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google-linux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <darryl> BluesKaj: I been doing that all day - I wouldnt come here asking as a first resort
[12:30] <BluesKaj> darryl, maybe searching here will make a diff : http://www.google.com/linux
[12:31] <BluesKaj> odd that VPN for linux isn't in the search databases
[12:32] <darryl> I need to find someone how has done this successfully
[12:32] <BluesKaj> darryl SSH ?
[12:32] <darryl> no VPN
[12:32] <darryl> I need to establish a VPN tunnel
[12:32] <darryl> not SSH
[12:33] <crimsun> I use OpenVPN.
[12:33] <crimsun> it's in the universe repository.
[12:33] <darryl> the Office is a M$ PPTP connection
[12:33] <ActionParsnip> darryl: do you wanna create a vpn connection from your system or to it?
[12:33] <darryl> ActionParsnip: yes :)
[12:33] <darryl> I have downloaded pptpconfig and associated app's but I cant get it to make the tunnel
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> darryl: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91249
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> tried that
[12:34] <illriginal> Can someone help me add Java plug in from my java plugin folder to my mozilla-firefox plugin folder, please!
[12:34] <BluesKaj> darryl http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7881
[12:34] <darryl> ActionParsnip: I have been doing this: http://quozl.linux.org.au/pptp/pptpconfig/0-README.phtml
[12:35] <zblach> i need some way to share a folder between vmware any myself. any ideas?
[12:35] <darryl> ActionParsnip: I already tried the link you sent me this morning.... no luck
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> darryl: what happens when you follow it
[12:36] <zblach> !vmware
[12:36] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[12:37] <darryl> ActionParsnip:  It starts to do the tunnel.... I am authenticated.... then I get an error.... One sec I will copy the error:
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> cool
[12:37] <darryl> ActionParsnip:  I get: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP, then the tunnel freezes up and does nothing else
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> add the mac address yourself
[12:38] <darryl> ActionParsnip: that message to me?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> its probably hanging cos its not connecting
[12:39] <darryl> I have no way to know the macid
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> darryl: all my messages are to you, i'll do the name thingy
[12:39] <darryl> only the IP of the VPN server
[12:39] <Minataku> It's not a MAC address
[12:39] <Minataku> You need the IP of the proxy ARP
[12:39] <Minataku> Which may very well be the IP of the VPN server
[12:39] <darryl> Minataku: how do I add that?  I do know what it is....
[12:39] <Minataku> I have no idea
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> Minataku: Isnt ethernet address == mac address
[12:39] <Minataku> I don't even know if I'm right
[12:40] <Minataku> Sorry
[12:40] <darryl> Minataku: yes it is the IP of the VPN server - I just dont know how to make the route to it
[12:40] <darryl> that error message I pasted seems like it has no route or something
[12:41] <Minataku> My SPARCstation 10 needs a new nameplate ;o;
[12:42] <darryl> ActionParsnip: any idea how to get around this error?
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> darryl: you might have to specify the MAC address of the target
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> darryl: just a hunch but not sure
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone help me with a quick thing.  i used to know how to do this but forgot.  how do you set the view mode permanently again?
[12:44] <sercik> ActionParsnip: not bad seems mandrake!
[12:44] <sercik> good night!
[12:44] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> sercik: Later dude
[12:57] <LordEpsilon> ...
[12:58] <w33rdo> hi
[12:58] <w33rdo> iptables?
[12:59] <w33rdo> port forwarding?
[01:01] <njt88> Sorry to bother you guys. I'm a newbie trying to understand how this beast works and even the most simple things seem really hard right now. I want to know about the properties of my hard drive - particularly the amount of free memory. HOw can I do this. Thanks in advance
[01:01] <Minataku> njt88: df -h
[01:01] <Minataku> And it's not a bother
[01:01] <Minataku> It's why we're all here
[01:02] <njt88> thanks that 's really kind, but what does df -h mean?
[01:02] <njt88> I told you I'm a newbie! :)
[01:02] <Minataku> Type it into a terminal
[01:02] <Minataku> You'll see :3
[01:02] <njt88> ok, I think I understand.
[01:03] <savetheWorld> http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/06/05/17450.aspx  << dell restores extended warranty on ubuntu systems
[01:03] <w33rdo> iptables?
[01:04] <konam> hi ya all
[01:04] <konam> i'm having problems with k3b
[01:05] <w33rdo> port fowrding?
[01:05] <konam> when im burning something it minimized window appears in every desktop areas flashing, i don't know how to disable this
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> savetheWorld: great link.
[01:07] <savetheWorld> :)
[01:08] <njt88> minataku: thanks very much indeed -  I got it. Need to start learning these codes methinks ^_^
[01:09] <Minataku> njt88: There are tutorials all over the net plus, if you know the command, "man <command>" should bring up a manual page
[01:09] <Minataku> Try it with df if you wish :3
[01:10] <njt88> minataku: thanks dude I'll check that out!
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> anyone want a wattmeter for their laptop?
[01:10] <Minataku> np
[01:28] <ritalin> y0
[01:28] <ritalin> how do i turn ssh on?
[01:30] <K-Ryan> !java
[01:30] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[01:30] <Skyblast> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[01:30] <ritalin> Skyblast: danke
[01:31] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to use Java with Konqueror, it's not working but it is installed. Know what the cause might be?
[01:35] <K-Ryan> Pssst
[01:35] <njt88> can anyone help? I'm trying to ascertain how much free space I have on my hard drive, so that I can transfer some data. When I command df -h in the terminal it says I have used 133 gb out of 142, with 1.1gb remaining
[01:35] <Skyblast> Maybe that's 1.1% free it means?
[01:35] <K-Ryan> you can always open the directory where the drive is located and right click > properties
[01:36] <njt88> but when I right click properties of my data files in my home files it only reads 72gb. Which is right and what is causing the discrepancy?
[01:36] <max_> already tried baobab?
[01:37] <mp_> hi i need to know if the nvidia-common package is the real nvidia driver (accel and all). can anyone help me?
[01:37] <max_> oh, it's Kubuntu, sorry
[01:39] <K-Ryan> mp_: You need something else
[01:39] <K-Ryan> !nvidia | mp_
[01:39] <ubotu> mp_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:39] <K-Ryan> The driver is listed in there
[01:39] <K-Ryan> I don't know it off hand
[01:40] <mp_> ty ubotu
[01:40] <Minataku> njt88: You have more files that just what's in your ~
[01:41] <Minataku> The whole system has it's files
[01:41] <max_> if you have a better video card than Geforce 4 install nvidia-glx-new instead of nvidia-glx
[01:41] <Minataku> Plus there's also 5% of total space set aside that only root can use
[01:41] <K-Ryan> mp_: ubotu is the information bot, not a real person =P
[01:41] <afk> Hello i've got an issue with Wireless on kubuntu feisty with the onboard intel prowireless ABG card my upload speeds are nearly 3mbit yet the downloads never even reach 5-7 but on windows or wired i get 24mbit down i've read forms for days and gotten nowhere any input?
[01:42] <w33rdo> guys I've got Iptables broken
[01:42] <w33rdo> FATAL: Error inserting ip_tables
[01:42] <w33rdo> this is a brand new Ubuntu 7 installation
[01:43] <njt88> thanks, so the total is likely to be 133gb out of 142 i.e. It's more or less full, right?
[01:44] <w33rdo> my bad I wasn't using SUDO, LOL
[01:46] <afk> hmm anyone?
[01:48] <Raschko> has ne 1 here been able to stream wma through konqueror?
[01:49] <Raschko> guessin thats a nope
[01:49] <K-Ryan> Raschko: Don't give up, the chat is rather quiet right now.
[01:50] <JuJuBee_> I booted from cd.  Can I remount my local HD rw?
[01:50] <JuJuBee_> Live cd
[01:50] <njt88> minataku: thanks again mate for the info. You da man!
[01:51] <JuJuBee_> I just figured out I have a ton of crap in ~/.local/share/Trash and I should remove it before backing up...
[01:52] <afk> it would seem this project needs to rethink its coding i had this Same problem on egdy and complained miltipule times and everytime i do no one ever has any input it maybe time to think about switching distros soon at this rate i doubt it will ever be atended too
[01:53] <K-Ryan> afk: What's the problem?
[01:53] <afk> [19:41]  <afk> Hello i've got an issue with Wireless on kubuntu feisty with the onboard intel prowireless ABG card my upload speeds are nearly 3mbit yet the downloads never even reach 5-7 but on windows or wired i get 24mbit down i've read forms for days and gotten nowhere any input?
[01:54] <brunatos> hie
[01:54] <K-Ryan> Hmm, don't know but it doesn't sound like a distro thing.
[01:54] <afk> it would seem odd on windows or if i wire it i get the speeds fine
[01:55] <K-Ryan> Hmm, that is odd.
[01:55] <afk> ya thats what stumped me when i built the driver on freebsd i had no issues but both with edgy and this feisty i get this issue
[01:57] <hgarcia> anyone know any good websites on how to get wifi working
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: !wireless
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> !wireless | hgarcia
[01:58] <brunatos> i got a litle problem with the wifi (USB adaptator MA101) on Kubuntu (<IP_ADDRESS>) i dunno how to make it visible
[01:58] <ubotu> hgarcia: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:59] <hgarcia> I have kubunu fiesty loaded on my laptop and all I need now is to get the wifi to work on it
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: what wireless chip do you have?
[01:59] <hgarcia> broadcom
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: what type of chipset is it?
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: you probably have to use Ndiswrapper.
[02:00] <brunatos> 802.11
[02:00] <hgarcia> I have installed ndiswrapper but still it will not work
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: no... what chipset does it use? attheros, broacom, ralink?
[02:01] <brunatos> so i can scan with it
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: this maybe stupid.. but do you have the wireless switch on?
[02:01] <brunatos> oups i dunno, i look
[02:01] <hgarcia> yeah I do
[02:02] <hgarcia> I had it working once before on a older version of kubuntu but I can't get it to go this time
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: hmm... you followed a tutorial for ndiswrapper?
[02:02] <hgarcia> yeah
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: hmmm I don't know.
[02:05] <hgarcia>  ndiswrapper -v
[02:05] <hgarcia> utils Error: no version specified!
[02:05] <hgarcia> driver version:        1.38
[02:05] <hgarcia> vermagic:       2.6.20-16-generic SMP mod_unload 586
[02:05] <hgarcia> does that mean anything?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: you didn't install ndiswrapper-utils
[02:06] <hgarcia> do I need to?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> hgarcia: yep.
[02:07] <hgarcia> ok, thanks
[02:07] <hgarcia> bbl
[02:09] <brunatos> nosrednaekim MA101 is an ATMEL chipset
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: ok.. just a sec.
[02:10] <brunatos> k
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: you need to install "atmel-firmware"
 k i installed it
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: unplugg your wireless thing, waid a minute, and plug it back in.
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *wait
[02:16] <brunatos> but i'm a newbe in the wireless network
[02:16] <brunatos> ok
[02:17] <brunatos> it's for connecting my wii on the network by routing by my ubuntu
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> brunatos: so you want it to act like an access point?
[02:18] <brunatos> (Xcuse if i don't speak very well but i'm french and my english is'nt very good)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> no problem.. your english is fine.
[02:19] <brunatos> i dunno really (thx) but persons sys me to configure on ad-hoc
[02:25] <brunatos_> when i reconnect the usb adaptator i got a neww gateway that i must del for acces to net
[02:27] <computer> where could i get a copy of standard kubuntu sources.list?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: oh ok.. adhoc will work I guess
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: ok.. it gives you a new device?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> like wlan0?
[02:28] <brunatos_> yes
[02:28] <brunatos_> iwconfig work fine
[02:29] <JuJuBee_> computer : http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[02:29] <brunatos_> "sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode ad-hoc"
[02:30] <brunatos_> and my connection must to be  visible if i scan ???
[02:31] <brunatos_> (i've try a scan with psp (must be the same) but it give nothing
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: I have never ever done ad-hoc, so I really can't hepl any more. sorry
[02:32] <brunatos_> c'est deja pas mal  ;)
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> I give you a bad grade?
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> is that what it said?
[02:33] <brunatos_> just a question power manangement it's for the radio max ??
[02:33] <brunatos_> no it's mean :
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> brunatos_: yeah... I think so.
[02:34] <brunatos_> it is already not badly
[02:35] <brunatos_> it's an expression
[02:35] <amedeo_> hi to all
[02:36] <Small_Mac> used echo command and made a change to bashrc file so command line console starts not in the default folder, but in one of my choosing, problem now: when i open a folder and then do open console in this folder, it doesn't do so, instead console is opened with other folder as default, if someone could help solve problem, thx alot =)
[02:36] <bcasanov> hi all
[02:36] <amedeo_> excuse me, is here someone can help me ?
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: yeah.. ask away
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> Small_Mac: just curious... why do you want it to start in another directory?
[02:37] <amedeo_> I'd like set automount of cd on kubuntu, kubuntu is working on wmware 6 workstation 6 ..
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: it should automatically mount it.
[02:39] <Small_Mac> nossrednaekim as with all such "why" questions, just because i felt like it lol, i don't know.. why would i want to start in the default directory, same question really, not sure how to answer
[02:39] <amedeo_> with first installation yes.. after i've updated to kde 357 and it didn't work anymore
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> Small_Mac: ok.. lol.. I was just winder if maybe there was a better way of doing it.
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: if you are only accessing the command line from kde... you could add an option to the konsole startup instead of editing your bashrc
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> sorry... I mean Small_Mac
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: hmm.. I don't know. not having 3.5.7 myself.
[02:41] <jordo23> How do you save your session settings without logging off? Is there a way?
[02:41] <amedeo_> but can you say me how to set automount using terminal commands ?
[02:41] <Small_Mac> nosrednaekim ic, shoulda done that
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: no.. I don't know.
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> amedeo_: ask later maybe someone else will be around to help.
[02:43] <amedeo_> I tried do edit /etc/fstab ma it doesn't work ..
[02:44] <JuJuBee_> I got a zinger of a ? ....  I tried to upgrade from dapper to feisty all at once this morning.    Before I flatten and start over, is there a way for me to recover?  maybe go to edgy first  then to feisty?  I cannot boot my current (very broken) os at the moment...
[02:45] <amedeo_> someone can help me  ?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee_: yeah.. go to edgy first.
[02:45] <JuJuBee_> How at this point?
[02:45] <dwidmann> jujubee: not sure if there's a way to recover or not, I do have a plan you can use that might allow you to recover though
[02:45] <will__> ubuntustudio-graphics has an outdated version of blender, do you know where it installed it so I can drop newer binaries over it?
[02:46] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : format and install :)
[02:46] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: no, that's not what I was thinking
[02:47] <JuJuBee_> Good, what then?
[02:48] <luca> hi everyone
[02:48] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann ?
[02:49] <luca> I need to modify the fstab file so that one partition is mounted as r/w from anyone
[02:49] <luca> what lines should I add to the file?
[02:50] <epimeth> luca: that depends.... what is the current line?
[02:50] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: boot live, mount the partition and chroot into it, then run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[02:50] <luca> dwidmann: /dev/sda5   /media/Data   vfat    iocharset=utf8,umask=000  0    0
[02:51] <dwidmann> luca: hmm, not sure, I haven't done that in a while, let me take a look at the manpage and see if I can come up with something
[02:52] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : not familiar with chroot syntax...
[02:52] <luca> dwidmann: ok thanks :)
[02:53] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: well, chroot = change root, so you'll want to use the mountpoint as the argument - ex: "chroot /media/sdc5"
[02:54] <dwidmann> luca: how does it behave with the umaks set to 777?
[02:55] <luca> dwidmann: let me modify it - a simple umount and then mount should be able to do the trick, right?
[02:55] <dwidmann> luca: yup
[02:56] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /dev/sda1
[02:56] <JuJuBee_> chroot: cannot change root directory to /dev/sda1: Not a directory
[02:57] <epimeth> luca: try the fourth column as "rw,user,iocharset=utf8,umask=000"
[02:57] <JuJuBee_> I can mount /dev/sda1
[02:57] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: like I said, it takes a directory as an argument
[02:58] <maynards-girl> hi. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 and I went to install firefox but the installer crahsed.  now I't won't let me use the add/remove progrmas- it says it's being used already.  I rebooted and logged out several times and I still can add/remove programs. what do I do?
[02:58] <luca> I am not able to umount
[02:58] <luca> something strange going on - rebooting
[02:58] <JuJuBee_> dwidmann : i mounted /dev/sda1 on /media/oldHD
[02:58] <luca> see ya in a sec
[02:58] <dwidmann> luca: okay
[02:58] <epimeth> luca: and if that doesn't work try it with what I just did and a umask of 777
[02:58] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: then "sudo chroot /media/oldHD"
[02:58] <JuJuBee_> Forgot the sudo...
[02:59] <epimeth> dwidmann: who still uses fat32???
[02:59] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: oops, guess I should have mentioned that, then again, it probably would have thrown a pretty obvious message
[02:59] <JuJuBee_> Evil_DuDe: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:59] <dwidmann> epimeth: people looking for compatibility between windows and linux
[02:59] <epimeth> and whats wrong with ntfs-3g?
[03:00] <dwidmann> epimeth: beats me. At any rate, fat32 writing in linux is older and more stable.
[03:00] <JuJuBee_> Weird, where did the vil_DuDe come from?  I pasted the erro from the apt-get...
[03:01] <BluesKaj> dam , lost my windows mbr after updating the linux kernel ... I have the grub menu.lst open for editing but i don't know what i should add for booting windows
[03:01] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: have you tried running "apt-get -f install" like it suggested?
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> Yes, No go.  Same errors I was getting earilier...
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: not a problem.. lemme get my entry for windows
[03:01] <epimeth> dwidmann: true... and uncomfortable tho I am using alpha software (or is ntfs-3g beta at this point?), I nor anyone I know has ever had a problem with it...
[03:01] <BluesKaj> cool, nosrednaekim
[03:01] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: might be something in the examples
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/metacity-common_1%3a2.18.2-0ubuntu1.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[03:01] <JuJuBee_> and more about metacity...
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> ok > BluesKaj
[03:02] <dwidmann> epimeth: last I checked it was beta, but it may even be marked stable by now
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: what..how to I PM?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> yeah i looked them dwidmann , but they don't seem to apply
[03:02] <bobesponja> hey
[03:03] <bobesponja>  is there a way to start an application in a specific language?
[03:03] <dwidmann> JuJuBee_: tryh deleting that file, mayhap its corrupt
[03:03] <epimeth> dwidmann: it does seem to be reguarded as stable.  I always warn people about "using it at your own risk" but i don't see anyone else giving that warning
[03:03] <JuJuBee_> I did that earlier and let it re-fetch it and same thing...
[03:04] <dwidmann> bobesponja: may be able to do it from konsole. If so, it'd probably involve something like exporting a variable before starting the program
[03:05] <JuJuBee_> Think I've had enough messin round, time to just flatten the system and reinstall...
[03:05] <bobesponja> dwidmann: yep, that's what I was thinking, but I have no idea which varialbe it is
[03:05] <Nuked> I have a problem... both kdm and gdm are freezing up on me when I try to login.. after a series of reboots, I am able to log in. I am using feisty x86_64
[03:05] <dwidmann> epimeth: it seems it has had a stable release
[03:05] <dwidmann> bobesponja: perhaps the LANG variable
[03:05] <epimeth> !ntfs-3g
[03:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:06] <JuJuBee_> I have 80GB laptop.  Figured I'd do /, /home, and swap... Suggestions on size?
[03:06] <JuJuBee_> 1GB ram
[03:06] <epimeth> !info ntfs-3g
[03:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.328-1 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 88 kB
[03:06] <Nuked> BluesKaj, I never got to thank you the other day, so thanks
[03:06] <dwidmann> bobesponja: mine is defaulting to LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[03:06] <BluesKaj> np  Nuked :)
[03:06] <shachaf> Is there a good alternative to NetowrkManager that supports WPA and can list visible networks? I'm using nm-applet at the moment, and was considering switching to knetworkmanager, but both are GUI based. Is there nothing console-based?
[03:07] <Nuked> you wouldnt happen to have another solution under your hat for this problem would you?
[03:07] <luca> ok the 777 trick did not function :)
[03:07] <bobesponja> dwidmann: indeed, that's it, thanx a lot :-)
[03:07] <shachaf> I want either different front-end or a new system, as long as it works well (which includes being controllable from the console).
[03:08] <dwidmann> bobesponja: my spectacular intuition strikes yet again :D
[03:08] <luca> dwidmann: the trick did not do it :) other ideas?
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: did you mess around with your xorg.... install any new driverss?
[03:09] <ritalin> you wanna put your feet on my rug dont ya?
[03:09] <epimeth> shachaf: yea... /etc/network/interfaces :-)
[03:09] <epimeth> shachaf: where you from?
[03:09] <Nuked> nosrednaekim, a while ago I tried to get xgl to work
[03:09] <dwidmann> luca: how about setting the uid and gid?
[03:09] <epimeth> luca: you ignoring me on purpose? :-p
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: try the fourth column as "rw,user,iocharset=utf8,umask=000"
[03:10] <dwidmann> for a full list of options, you can run "man mount" and scroll down the part about "fat options"
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: and if that doesn't work try it with what I just did and a umask of 777
[03:10] <luca> epimeth: I had to reboot twice :)
[03:10] <shachaf> epimeth: That neither lists networks nor works with WPA. :-)
[03:10] <epimeth> luca: why?  what was wrong?
[03:10] <Nuked> nosrednaekim, it also prevents me from logging out of my account sometimes, and I have to power off
[03:10] <dwidmann> epimeth: well, the umask=777 apparently didn't work, that's what I suggested
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: that probably didn't do it if its been awhile.
[03:10] <shachaf> epimeth: I see you recognized my name. :-)
[03:10] <luca> nothing still a fresh installation, had to disable coupla things :)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: I assume you updated kdm?
[03:11] <Nuked> 3.5.7
[03:11] <epimeth> dwidmann: you didn't tell luca to add rw and user
[03:11] <Nuked> but I experienced the same problems with gdm
[03:11] <dwidmann> epimeth: nope, guess I didn't
[03:11] <epimeth> shachaf: oh.. wpa... :-p
[03:11] <Nuked> and I switched to kdm thinking it would help
[03:11] <epimeth> shachaf: and that doesn't answer the "where you from" question!
[03:12] <luca> epimeth: it did not do it :(
[03:12] <epimeth> luca: with rw and user?
[03:12] <epimeth> luca: hrm... do you need it to be all or is just you good enough?
[03:12] <shachaf> epimeth: .il
[03:13] <epimeth> shachaf: sof sof od israeli... meatsben oti she #ubunti-il tamid reik
[03:14] <epimeth> shachaf: yesh sipur meachorei hashem o ze stam?
[03:14] <luca> epimeth: it is my primary data partition, I need user r/w access :(
[03:14] <epimeth> luca: but again, is it just you're user or all users?
[03:14] <ritalin> who is mike jones is here!
[03:14] <epimeth> erm.. s/you're/your
[03:15] <luca> epimeth: my user I guess would be good enough
[03:15] <ritalin> holla at yo boy
[03:15] <maynards-girl> hi. i just installed kubuntu 7.04 and I went to install firefox but the installer crahsed.  now I't won't let me use the add/remove progrmas- it says it's being used already.  I rebooted and logged out several times and I still can add/remove programs. what do I do?
[03:15] <luca> try on the console a 'dpkg --configure -a'
[03:16] <luca> without the '
[03:16] <JuJuBee_> I just can't catch a break....  Running installer for kubuntu... Prepare disk space... How do you want to partition the disk?  No choices, just a blank page... Can only press cancel...
[03:16] <epimeth> luca: you don't sound too sure about the "good enough"... but if it *is* enough, add uid=<your user id> to the 4th column as well, and you should be good
[03:17] <epimeth> JuJuBee_: ouch... have you tried the non-gui installer?
[03:17] <JuJuBee_> no
[03:17] <shachaf> epimeth: Sorry, I got disconnected (again).
[03:17] <luca> ok now I will try it thanks
[03:17] <JuJuBee_> never used it
[03:17] <epimeth> JuJuBee_: then may I suggest downloading the alternate install disk and giving it a shot?
[03:17] <shachaf> epimeth: Not especially, that I know of.
[03:18] <JuJuBee_> Would using kopete have anything to do with it?
[03:18] <Small_Mac> !paste
[03:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:18] <JuJuBee_> Im on machine I wish to install on...
[03:18] <epimeth> shachaf: ah... ani ha'iti "betzevet shachaf" rov mehasherut sheli, az chashavti sheulai gam ata :-)
[03:19] <Small_Mac> k trying to run the script pasted at: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24348/, that file came with a make file and that's it, when i tried to build it, it complains bascially can't find the header files, where would these header files be in kubuntu feisty, i did a search on root folder, none of the header files came up
[03:19] <epimeth> Small_Mac: apt-get install build-essential ?
[03:20] <shachaf> epimeth: No, it's just my name. :-)
[03:20] <epimeth> shachaf: sababa
[03:20] <Nuked> so no one has any clues?
[03:20] <Small_Mac> epimeth hmm will definitely try that
[03:20] <epimeth> Nuked: sorry? what was the problem?
[03:21] <Nuked> kdm/gdm keep freezing upon login
[03:21] <Nuked> and prevents me from logging out
[03:21] <epimeth> Nuked: sorry mate, beyond my scope atm
[03:21] <Small_Mac> epimeth thx very much, couldn't believe i forgot to install build-essential when i reinstalled kubuntu, thx
[03:21] <epimeth> lol @ Small_Mac
[03:21] <epimeth> happens to all of us...
[03:21] <Small_Mac> yup =)
[03:21] <epimeth> hrm... that reminds me... did *I* install it?
[03:22] <epimeth> oh yea.. I did... compiled sound drivers a few weeks ago ^.^
[03:22] <maynards-girl> luca, thanks! I tried that but it didn't work, so I rebooted and then it worked. thanks !
[03:22] <shachaf> epimeth: So no idea regarding NetworkManager?
[03:22] <epimeth> but now on kernel update sound disapeared again... pisses me off that this is a Known Issue and nobody is doing anything about it... damn realtek/intel hda sound card!
[03:23] <shachaf> epimeth: (The truth is that knetworkmanager was only an excuse to go to a less busy channel than #ubuntu, so my messages wouldn't get lost in the noise...)
[03:23] <epimeth> shachaf: sorry mate... I use knetworkmanager with no problems... now and then it won't start on boot, but a quick kill and alt+space knetwo<enter> fixes that right up :-)
[03:23] <Sean_> ^:ADCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[03:24] <Sean_> wtf?
[03:24] <epimeth> who the hell is peer and why does he keep reseting connections?!?
[03:24] <epimeth> :-D
[03:24] <shachaf> epimeth: I'm trying to stay away from GUI programs as much as possible.
[03:24] <klobster> epimeth: hda sound issues?
[03:25] <shachaf> epimeth: Especially since I switched to xmonad -- keeping trayer running in the background all the time is very annoying.
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: I hear you, but afaik there isn't yet a cli tool for WPA
[03:25] <klobster> shachaf: what is the issue?
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: but I don't know much about wireless besides my own issues
[03:25] <klobster> btw: evening everyone
[03:25] <epimeth> shachaf: so that isn't saying much....
[03:25] <epimeth> klobster: evening?  its 4:20am!
[03:25] <Nuked> thats odd that you are having issues with realtek and intel hda
[03:25] <Nuked> I have both and I have never had a problem
[03:26] <shachaf> klobster: I want a front-end or alternative to NetworkManager that would work with WPA and WEP, would display the list of networks, and would work from the console.
[03:26] <epimeth> Nuked: ?!?!?  that just pisses me off! what card?
[03:26] <Nuked> 8197 or something like that
[03:26] <Nuked> its integrated into the motherboard
[03:26] <Nuked> both of which work flawlessly on my other feisty computer
[03:27] <epimeth> Nuked: mine's ALC862 chipset onboard
[03:27] <Nuked> yeah If I remember correctly thats the soundcard
[03:27] <shachaf> epimeth: There is wpa_supplicant and friends.
[03:27] <shachaf> epimeth: I could figure out how to use them, I guess.
[03:28] <epimeth> shachaf: good luck ^.^
[03:28] <epimeth> shachaf: always fun learning the "real" way to do things
[03:28] <brian__> anyone here been able to stream wma through konqueror?
[03:28] <epimeth> Nuked: and you're having no problems???
[03:28] <klobster> shachaf: hmm let me take a look
[03:29] <shachaf> epimeth: I wonder how difficult it would be to write a console interface to NetworkManager.
[03:29] <epimeth> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=2725 <-- my sound issue, Nuked
[03:29] <shachaf> epimeth: That's the problem with all these fancy modern tools... You write the CLI program FIRST, then the GUI, not the other way around.
[03:30] <epimeth> shachaf: "difficult" being a relative term :-)
[03:30] <Nuked> epimeth not a single problem
[03:30] <Nuked> and I have had that computer for a while now
[03:30] <epimeth> shachaf: I find most are like that unless they really are built for QT or GTK on purpose... IE dolphin, gftpgrabber, kwallet, etc etc
[03:31] <Small_Mac> !pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:31] <epimeth> Small_Mac: you *just* asked ubotu about pastebin... if you're not careful he won't help you anymore :-)
[03:31] <shachaf> epimeth: I don't know dolphin and gftpgrabber, but isn't kwallet a password manager?
[03:32] <epimeth> shachaf: yup... for gui apps :-)
[03:32] <shachaf> epimeth: There's no reason not to split it into "libwallet", "wallet", and "kwallet".
[03:32] <Small_Mac> epimeth sort of same question as b4, i installed build-essential and when i did the make command, the error message is in the following: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24349/ could u take a peek at it hehe
[03:32] <Small_Mac> epimeth ya i'll scroll up next time
[03:32] <epimeth> shachaf: dolphin is "the" kde file manager, gftpgrabber is "the" kde ftp client
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: "gftpgrabber" is a KDE program?
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: That's odd.
[03:33] <shachaf> epimeth: (I thought konqueror was "the" KDE file manager?)
[03:33] <epimeth> shachaf: did I write g?  whups... kftpgrabber
[03:33] <epimeth> and I did it a few times!?!?  damn...
[03:34] <epimeth> konqueror is the kde everything... big, bulky, and ugly
[03:34] <strabes> konqueror is the kde file manager for kde 3
[03:34] <epimeth> KDE4 is switching to dolphin as default for file manager
[03:34] <luca> dwidmann: evrything solved, even if the file is still the same :-/ I uninstalled and rerun the Automatix script which modified the fstab in the first place and now everything is fine...
[03:34] <shachaf> epimeth: Well, OK.
[03:34] <strabes> dolphin will be it in kde 4
[03:34] <strabes> i don't like dolphin
[03:34] <shachaf> epimeth: kftpgrabber is fine... Because there's also an FTP protocol and an "ftp" CLI program.
[03:35] <epimeth> strabes: I use dolphin in kde3... just cuz its not installed by default doesn't mean you have to commit yourself to a monstrosity (imo)
[03:35] <luca> epimeth: I hope however that dolphin will have the same power konqueror has about file management
[03:35] <klobster> shachaf is wpa_cli or wpa_supplicant what you are looking for? (also try wpa_<TAB> for other related tools)
[03:35] <shachaf> epimeth: And a curses frontend, and a GTK frontend, and anything else you can thing of.
[03:35] <shachaf> klobster: Yes, I saw those before.
[03:35] <luca> epimeth: the ideal would be something as clear as dolphin and as powerful as krusader :)
[03:35] <shachaf> klobster: How well do they work?
[03:35] <epimeth> luca: the only thing its lacking right now is program specific context menus... I can't right click to unpackage something
[03:36] <shachaf> klobster: Are they an all-around solution (list networks, etc.)?
[03:36] <epimeth> luca: how'd the uid thing work?  mounting okay now?
[03:36] <luca> epimeth: wrong, it still misses the integrated konsole...and sync would be a plus
[03:36] <luca> epimeth: now it's smooth
[03:36] <BluesKaj> ok grub is fixed
[03:36] <strabes> epimeth: I know; i tried out dolphin awhile back but ended up sticking with dolphin. Once you enable all of the options that are hidden by default in kubuntu it's much better
[03:36] <strabes> epimeth: sticking with konqueror*
[03:37] <epimeth> luca: hrm... integrated konsole?  what do you mean?
[03:37] <luca> I do not understand what went awry before - now root is still the owner, but everybody has r/w/exec access
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: did it work?
[03:37] <luca> epimeth: open your old konqueror and press F8 :)
[03:37] <luca> in a folder obviously :)
[03:37] <epimeth> ooohhhh... pretty
[03:37] <BluesKaj> yup , thx muchly nosrednaekim :)
[03:37] <epimeth> and useful!
[03:37] <klobster> shachaf yeah, I believe they will do all you are asking, but check the man pages for running them; I think you need to start one of them before using the others...
[03:38] <epimeth> I'm sure they'll have that by the time kde4 comes along, tho
[03:38] <luca> pretty? It's something so vital I cannot use anything else but konqueror for file management now :D and yeah they should
[03:38] <klobster> shachaf: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wpa_supplicant#WPA_CLI
[03:38] <epimeth> luca: so just rw,user did the trick? or did you need 777 as well?
[03:38] <luca> it's in the dolphin roadmap
[03:39] <luca> epimeth: nothing of the sort, which is wickedly strange
[03:39] <BluesKaj> I'm curious nosrednaekim ...what's the basis or meaning (if there is one) of yer nick ?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: good.
[03:39] <luca> I rerun the automatix script, fstab looks exactly as it did before I came here, but now I have r/w/exec access
[03:39] <epimeth> luca: you mean what you had originally was enough?  that doesn't sound right...
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: read it backwrds
[03:39] <luca> I guess there was an error in the .hal-mtab-lock file
[03:40] <shachaf> klobster: Thanks, I'll look into it.
[03:40] <BluesKaj> Doh! :)
[03:40] <luca> epimeth: as I said, it is wickedly strange, but I assume there was some error in that unreadable-unless-you-are-in-rescue-mode file
[03:40] <luca> now it seems fine
[03:40] <epimeth> luca: meh... don't you love it how "reconfigure" fixes so many problems :-)
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: the PClinusOS guys got it right away...maybe they are smarter...
[03:41] <shachaf> luca: Wait, automatix chmods fstab 777? I heard it was bad, but I didn't think it was THAT bad.
[03:41] <BluesKaj> geezus , I shudda spotted that ...my mother's maiden name :)
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh really? cool.
[03:41] <shachaf> luca: (/me is probably misunderstanding everything, I didn't read your earlier messages.)
[03:41] <BluesKaj> I'm old and a bit slow , mike
[03:42] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: "smarter" or just "are used to thinking in convoluted ways"? :-p
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> lol... good point
[03:42] <BluesKaj> yeah , i'm pretty linear and conventional
[03:42] <klobster> epimeth: did you ask about this in #alsa?
[03:42] <luca> shachaf: no, it is 000
[03:43] <luca> not 777
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: I guess they are kinda "backwards"
[03:43] <shachaf> luca: Automatix chmods fstab 000?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> :-P
[03:43] <luca> shachaf: and it is not bad - it's wonderful, as I personally hate having to configure such things by hand :D
[03:43] <BluesKaj> PClinux won't install on my pc AMD64
[03:43] <shachaf> luca: Mine is 644.
[03:44] <luca> shachaf: no wait it does not do chmod on the fstab
[03:44] <epimeth> klobster: nah... I wrote a few messages on the link I posted earlier... I'm not in a rush really.  I'd rather wait for a proper solution and not muck around with patches
[03:44] <luca> the line regarding the partition has =000
[03:44] <luca> the fstab is still with right permissions
[03:44] <luca> epimeth: yeah in any case I love how reconfiguring solves many things :D
[03:44] <Jack3> anyone here use OpenDNS?
[03:44] <shachaf> luca: I heard it apt-gets from unverified repositories with --force-all and modifies your sources.list without asking.
[03:45] <shachaf> Jack3: I do, sometimes.
[03:45] <Jack3> are yo using it right now
[03:45] <Jack3> because my irc works but i cant load webpaegs
[03:45] <epimeth> oh noes! my X won't run cuz I installed the wrong video drivers!  "reconfigure X!" thank you reconman!
[03:45] <luca> shachaf: dunno if it uses --force, does not seem the case here
[03:45] <Jack3> maybe you could get me the ip for googles page so i can see if i can load it
[03:45] <shachaf> Jack3: No, let me switch.
[03:45] <luca> in any case the repository is not hidden
[03:46] <klobster> epimeth: well, either way, check out these scripts wishie wrote: http://www.wishie.net/alsa/index.php?task=scripts
[03:46] <luca> repoS
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: DNS seems to work with OpenDNS for me.
[03:46] <Jack3> shit
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: Which address are you resolving?
[03:46] <klobster> epimeth: the alsa-info is brilliant
[03:46] <Jack3> google
[03:46] <Jack3> can you tell me googles ip
[03:46] <klobster> ping google.com
[03:46] <luca> shachaf: it adds the archive.ubuntu.com and archive.canonical.com repos - they are not s$$t :D
[03:46] <shachaf> Jack3: I have <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <Jack3> hmm not workin either
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: And IRC does work?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> Jack3: <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: What about other IPs?
[03:47] <klobster> anyone know how/if i can grep the CD label out of an ISO file?
[03:47] <shachaf> Jack3: <IP_ADDRESS> should also work.
[03:48] <klobster> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:48] <epimeth> Small_Mac: sorry I was neglecting you... seems like you're missing the X header files?  I really don't know...
[03:48] <shachaf> Everyone has a different IP for Google, but it doesn't matter, they should all work for Jack3.
[03:48] <epimeth> Small_Mac: maybe you need to install the xorg dev package....
[03:49] <shachaf> Small_Mac: Xlib.h is in libx11-dev.
[03:50] <epimeth> ahh.. I see the israeli seagull has his uses
[03:50] <shachaf> epimeth: dpkg -S Xlib.h :-)
[03:51] <BluesKaj> klobster, if you install acetoneiso ,you may be able to collect info from it's image browser option
[03:51] <epimeth> there is definitely something to be said about dpkg and its brothers... I soooo don't miss the days when knowledge of how to compile was a requirement
[03:51] <shachaf> epimeth: It's not?
[03:51] <shachaf> epimeth: It is for me.
[03:52] <epimeth> klobster: cheers for the link... I'll bookmark and take a look later
[03:52] <BluesKaj> compiling is neat ...sometimes a hit and miss tho depending on the config and make file setup
[03:52] <shachaf> epimeth: How would I configure dwm/xmonad, after all? :-)
[03:52] <klobster> epimeth: yup.  I've been very impressed with the ops in #alsa
[03:52] <epimeth> shachaf: why? what have you *had* to compile recently
[03:52] <Small_Mac> epimeth that did the trick, the xorg-dev package, i just installed it after googling and came back realizing u already told me to do the same =)
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: Well, xmonad is one.
[03:53] <epimeth> Small_Mac: lol.. nice
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> gentoo?lol.
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: I compile pretty much all Haskell programs except for ghc and darcs.
[03:53] <klobster> BluesKaj: I was hoping for a less robust solution.  is that a repo package?
[03:53] <luca> uhm one thing
[03:53] <epimeth> shachaf: whats that?
[03:53] <epimeth> erm... those?
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: Which, xmonad?
[03:53] <Small_Mac> shachaf thanks, i looked that up too, i installed it as well just to be safe and so i have to read less possible convoluting error messages =)
[03:53] <shachaf> epimeth: A window manager.
[03:53] <luca> do you know how to compile a linux kernel with support for a nvidia card and ipw3945 driver?
[03:54] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I'm afraid gentoo is still kinda daunting for the likes of me  :)
[03:54] <epimeth> shachaf: I have to say I'm perfectly happy with kdm/kde... don't even feel a slight pull to try new ones out atm.  maybe next year....
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> yep... me too..tho my brother swears by it.
[03:55] <RawSewage> if I want to op all, whats the Konversation command.   /op *   doesnt work
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yes klobster
[03:55] <epimeth> shachaf: az eifo ata gar?  ani vechaver sheli m'yerushalaiim choshvim sheulai igia hazman lehatchil leshavek at kubuntu ktsat ba'aretz.
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> what is op?
[03:56] <shachaf> epimeth: Oops, I'll be back in a bit (dinner).
[03:56] <epimeth> shachaf: ata meunyan leshachnea anashim lehagiya le #ubuntu-il?
[03:56] <luca> well thanks for the help everybody
[03:56] <luca> gotta leave :)
[03:56] <RawSewage> nosrednaekim, channel operator
[03:56] <epimeth> luca: any time :-)
[03:56] <luca> see ya 'round :)
[03:56] <shachaf> epimeth: That should give you a hint about my time zone. :-)
[03:57] <epimeth> shachaf: yea... gmt-5/6?
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> shachaf: west coast of the US?
[03:57] <epimeth> shachaf: come home!
[03:57] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: no, he's israeli... dinner is at earliest 9pm :-
[03:57] <epimeth> :-)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: lol.
[03:58] <ejortegau> anybody around with a deep understanding of CSS?
[03:58] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: that wasn't a joke... :-)
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: no? wow...
[03:58] <epimeth> ejortegau: how deep are we talking here?
[03:58] <dwidmann> ejortegau: CSS as in Cascading stylesheets or the Content scrambling sysem?
[03:58] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: well, half so anyway... 8pm or so
[03:58] <dwidmann> or some other CSS?
[03:58] <ejortegau> epimeth: well, don't really know, maybe not much... i don't really know much about it. this is my question: is there any reason why firefox wont display a bg image defined on my css file for a <td> but it will display it if i define the style="background-image..." inliine?
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: my knowledge is below "C" level....deep enough?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:59] <ejortegau> dwidmann: stylesheets
[03:59] <ejortegau> hahahha
[03:59] <epimeth> ejortegau: hrm... that's a good question
[04:00] <ejortegau> yeah... i've been fighting with this for the las 45 minutes or so...
[04:00] <epimeth> ejortegau: you wanna paste the relevant pages?
[04:00] <ejortegau> sure, gimme a sec
[04:00] <ejortegau> linkto them or what do you need?
[04:01] <husrev> hi
[04:01] <epimeth> !paste | ejortegau
[04:01] <ubotu> ejortegau: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> hi.
[04:01] <epimeth> husrev: yarg matey
[04:01] <husrev> after installing kubuntu-desktop on ubutu feisty, vmware server gives error
[04:01] <ejortegau> epimeth: http://unification.phys.uregina.ca:3080/atlasregina/index.php
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> husrev: and what is the error?
[04:02] <ejortegau> let me know when you see it, then i'll remove the inline declaration so you see the problem...
[04:02] <wayl8> join #asle
[04:02] <husrev> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:02] <husrev> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:02] <husrev> any idea?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> husrev: how are you running vmware? are you using "sudo"?
[04:02] <Minataku> wayl8: Once is a mistake, twice is getting suspicious
[04:02] <husrev> typing su following by password
[04:02] <Minataku> Please don't spam
[04:03] <husrev> after that typng vmware
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> husrev: ok... you have to do "kdesu vmware"
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> don't log into su first
[04:03] <Minataku> If you're using VMWare server, run it as a regular user
[04:04] <epimeth> ejortegau: goferit
[04:04] <husrev> ok it runs
[04:04] <Minataku> Only perform maintenance and setup as root
[04:04] <husrev> thank you
[04:04] <husrev> i c
[04:04] <ejortegau> epimeth: sorry?
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: I had problems running as regular user.
[04:04] <silveira> anyone is using democracy player well in kubuntu?
[04:04] <epimeth> ejortegau: go for it
[04:04] <husrev> sudo and kdesu gives temporary (for only one command) root right, yeah?
[04:04] <ejortegau> done
[04:04] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: It should be launched by root
[04:05] <ejortegau> big black square on top right cornet
[04:05] <ejortegau> corner
[04:05] <Minataku> As in, the server component started
[04:05] <BluesKaj> ejortegau, is just promoting his school, out on the lone prairies of saskatchewan :)
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> husrev: yeah.
[04:05] <husrev> thank you again
[04:05] <Minataku> After that, you should run VMs as a regular user
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> husrev: but sudo won't work with graphical apps.
[04:05] <ejortegau> BluesKaj: lol
[04:05] <Minataku> Of course Kubuntu may pull some silly crap that I'm not aware of
[04:06] <BluesKaj> <---near sudbury ontario here , ejortegau :)
[04:06] <epimeth> ejortegau: well first of all, you *really* have to start using divs for layout... this table crap is pase', slow, inefficiant, ugly, and well.. just plain unacceptable.  but that's just my professional opinion ^.^  I'm looking at the css file now
[04:07] <Minataku> sudo CAN work with graphical applications, but most of the time the DISPLAY var isn't set so it fails
[04:07] <Minataku> There's a way to do it, I believe, but I don't know it
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: true... but thats the purpose of kdesu;)
[04:08] <ejortegau> epimeth: lol
[04:08] <Dragnslcr> Minataku- yeah, kdesu is what you'd need
[04:08] <ejortegau> epimeth: sorry, i suck at designing, so i took a free template and modded it a little bit
[04:10] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: Nah, kdesu is just a lame workaround to an easily rectified problem
[04:10] <Minataku> Laziness is no excuse to write an entirely separate application
[04:10] <ejortegau> epimeth: don't worry, found  the solution
[04:10] <Minataku> Especially when simply using su is enough to solve it as well
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: it does cool kde stuff too..... especially when you don't have sudo installed (gentoo, suse)
[04:10] <epimeth> ejortegau: url(../images/topbar1bg.jpg)
[04:11] <ejortegau> yep
[04:11] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and I don't use KDE
[04:11] <ejortegau> that was it
[04:11] <ejortegau> i don't quite understand why, but that's the way it is, so...
[04:11] <epimeth> ejortegau: url() is relative to the directory the css file is in
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: well..w/e
[04:11] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just in a bit of a sour mood
[04:12] <BluesKaj> is gentoo debian based ?
[04:12] <Minataku> BluesKaj: No
[04:12] <Minataku> Hell no
[04:12] <Minataku> It's a separate distro entirely
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: its source based
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> its really almost BSD based
[04:12] <BluesKaj> ok, but i hear it's hell to install
[04:13] <epimeth> and do me a favor... change <td class="top" .... > to <td id="toptd" ..... > and td.top { css stuff } to td#toptd { css stuff }.   that is *definitely* not a class for tds :-)
[04:13] <Minataku> BluesKaj: If you don't follow the handbook
[04:13] <epimeth> ejortegau: ^
[04:13] <dwidmann> time consuming too, that's the main barrier keeping me from grabbing it
[04:13] <Minataku> Or don't know ANYTHING about your computer
[04:13] <BluesKaj> nomenclature is more than just arcane
[04:13] <Minataku> On a modern computer, Gentoo's initial install will take about 10 hours
[04:13] <Minataku> Run it when you're not around and you have no argument
[04:13] <epimeth> question thats been bugging me for a little while... where did inttab go?
[04:13] <dwidmann> define "modern computer"
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> Gentoo is for people that need very fine control over everything in the system
[04:14] <Minataku> dwidmann: Built during or after 2004
[04:14] <BluesKaj> 10hrs?
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> heh... open office takes 5 hours to compile..
[04:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It's probably less
[04:14] <dwidmann> Oh good, then I guess mine's modern
[04:14] <ejortegau> epimeth: i think i'll just leave it inline, considering i'm not going to reuse it, but anyway, it's good to know why it wasn't working
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> kde probably almost that
[04:14] <Minataku> I'm basing it off of Piyoko's time when I reinstalled, she clocked 14hrs
[04:14] <Dragnslcr> Gentoo may very well be the exact opposite purpose of Ubuntu
[04:15] <BluesKaj> sounds beyond my scope , Minataku
[04:15] <dwidmann> KDE takes only about 2 hours to compile
[04:15] <epimeth> ejortegau: good luck :-)
[04:15] <dwidmann> for me anyway
[04:15] <dwidmann> IIRC
[04:15] <Jucato> !upstart | epimeth
[04:15] <ubotu> epimeth: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:15] <jordo23> Does KDE have a utility to convert .CHM files to something readable?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: oh..ok
[04:15] <Jucato> epimeth: that's where inittab went
[04:15] <epimeth> wow... Jucato is alive!
[04:15] <epimeth> :-p
[04:15] <epimeth> cheers mate
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> COOL!
[04:15] <Jucato> !info kchmviewer | jordo23
[04:15] <ubotu> jordo23: kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 210 kB, installed size 640 kB
[04:15] <Minataku> dwidmann: So with a very recent system you could probably have it from zero to base in maybe 6hrs
[04:16] <dwidmann> Minataku: guess I could figure on 7 or so then
[04:16] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato....thanks
[04:16] <Minataku> If you have a dual core, reduce by maybe 40%
[04:16] <Jucato> (depends on what you consider "base". you can have a CLI base in Gentoo in less than an hour depending if you have downloaded stage3 already... but anyway offtopic)
[04:16] <dwidmann> 4 hours? No way
[04:16] <Minataku> You WILL screw up your first kernel compile, almost guaranteed
[04:17] <Minataku> But once you get the hang of it, you'll never screw one up again
[04:17] <BluesKaj> hehe
[04:17] <dwidmann> Minataku: I've compiled a few kernels before, some of which I did screw up
[04:17] <ejortegau> epimeth: good! finally passed html 4.01 transitional :)
[04:17] <Minataku> dwidmann: It used to take me two or three tries
[04:17] <Minataku> Now I can do it 50 times perfect each one
[04:18] <intelikey> most likely cause  ?
[04:18] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed
[04:18] <dwidmann> Minataku: any trick to that?
[04:18] <Minataku> Plus it's great not needing an initrd/initramfs
[04:18] <Minataku> dwidmann: Once you have a proper configuration, when you grab new sources and go to configure them, it reads the current kernel's config and sets that
[04:18] <epimeth> ejortegau: and strict?
[04:18] <epimeth> ejortegau: :-p
[04:19] <Minataku> Then all you have to do is look around for new or interesting things/features
[04:19] <Minataku> And configure to taste
[04:19] <epimeth> ejortegau: I find strict makes cross-browser compatibilty much much easier
[04:19] <Minataku> If you mess up you can always try again
[04:19] <dwidmann> Minataku: and also hope I don't find bugs
[04:19] <Minataku> dwidmann: If anything, you'd be better off finding bugs in a kernel you compiled
[04:20] <Minataku> Since you can help the kernel team trace it
[04:20] <Minataku> I've done that, BTW
[04:20] <Minataku> My laptop was affected by a rather nasty ACPI bug
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> speaking of laptops... anyone want a wattmeter for one?
[04:20] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed      nobody have clue-by-four ?
[04:21] <dwidmann> Minataku: true, though when you find bugs it does suck in the meantime
[04:21] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: whowhatnow?
[04:21] <FireHazard17> Minataku: what happened?
[04:21] <Minataku> intelikey: A dependent module, sound-slot-0 failed to be inserted
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: first of all why the 2.4 kernel?
[04:21] <Minataku> intelikey: Check dmesg to see if there's any more info as to why
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: a wattmeter... to tell you how many watts your laptop is taking while running off of batteryies
[04:21] <Minataku> dwidmann: Eh... I lost platform-specific ACPI support for a month or two
[04:21] <Minataku> No biggie
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> can help you power manage
[04:22] <intelikey> dmesg is blank on that
[04:22] <Minataku> FireHazard17: My model of laptop had a memory leak when the ACPI subsystem was polled for info
[04:22] <intelikey> nosrednaekim why not
[04:22] <Minataku> I was running fnfxd for platform-specific support
[04:22] <Minataku> This polls ACPI maybe every 10 seconds
[04:22] <FireHazard17> Minataku: eww that sucks
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: because there are WAY more recent kernels... but lol... never mind..
[04:22] <Minataku> Yeah, you could see where that went
[04:22] <Minataku> I helped them trace and fix it
[04:23] <Minataku> It's long gone now
[04:23] <Minataku> 2.4 is still active
[04:23] <FireHazard17> Minataku: cool
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> its up at .34 now though right?
[04:23] <intelikey> nosrednaekim why would i "want" a more recent kernel ?    2.4 is years newer than any hardware it will be running here....  ?
[04:23] <Minataku> It's a fairly good choice for systems with space restrictions
[04:23] <ejortegau> hm, now that you speack about acpi... someone told me that hibernation would not work on my laptop unless a sort of "switched off" the second processor... any ideas how to do that?
[04:23] <Minataku> FireHazard17: Indeed
[04:24] <Minataku> 2.4 kernels are smaller than 2.6
[04:24] <Minataku> And most 2.6 drivers and such are backported
[04:24] <intelikey> indeed
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: ok. never mind.. I was under the impression that the newer the kernel the better
[04:24] <Minataku> That said, I won't use a 2.4 unless I absolutely need something supertiny
[04:24] <intelikey> nosrednaekim ok.
[04:24] <epimeth> nosrednaekim: yea? go try vista :-p
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: sorry.
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> epimeth: haha... I was talking linux. but I see the point and defer.
[04:25] <epimeth> hmmm.. I wonder if the 2.4 kernel will locate *any* of this lappy's harware...
[04:26] <intelikey> so now with all the sound drivers as module why would i get that error ?
[04:26] <intelikey> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed
[04:26] <epimeth> speaking of which.... anybody know anything about biometric security for linux?  specifically fingerprint readers?
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> is insmod the 2.4 equivalent of modprobe?
[04:26] <intelikey> is it a "wrong" config arg   in module.conf  or something ?
[04:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Try to modprobe "sound-slot-0"
[04:27] <Minataku> Then check dmesg
[04:27] <Minataku> I'm hoping that the default log level on Kubuntu isn't set to some stupidly quiet level
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: no don't worry... it'll tell you if it errors out
[04:27] <Minataku> Yeah, but we need to know WHY
[04:28] <Minataku> This is Linux, not Windows
[04:28] <Minataku> Knowing that it failed isn't enough
[04:28] <intelikey> again dmesg is blank on that     didn't change.  but the modprobe command burped out lots of   "/drivers/sound/soundcore.o: unresolved symbol ..."
[04:28] <intelikey> so it's a version mismatch   right ?
[04:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Bingo
[04:28] <Minataku> Did you self-compile this?
[04:29] <intelikey> yes
[04:29] <Minataku> What's the current kernel you're running?
[04:29] <Minataku> Did you remember to "make modules-install"?
[04:29] <intelikey> well it's 2.4.27   but there is no subversion
[04:29] <intelikey> Minataku hehhe  /ver is useless   lol
[04:29] <Minataku> intelikey: Recompile, and make sure you follow all the compilation directions
[04:30] <Minataku> I don't know the commands for a 2.4
[04:30] <Minataku> I know them for a 2.6
[04:30] <Minataku> make all
[04:30] <Minataku> Er
[04:30] <Minataku> "make all; make modules-install; make install"
[04:30] <Minataku> 2.4 may require more, check "make help"
[04:30] <intelikey> Minataku yeah i'm rebuilding already.   it's  make config ;make dep ;make modules ; make  ;make install
[04:31] <Minataku> Hm
[04:31] <Minataku> I'd make the kernel first
[04:31] <Minataku> Before the modules
[04:31] <Nuked> sorry that I am repeating myself, but my gdm/kdm keep freezing, and when it allows me to login, after some time when I decide to log off the computer just hangs
[04:31] <Minataku> Though in a 2.6 it's done at the same time with "make all"
[04:31] <intelikey> not the order that the README says.
[04:31] <Minataku> intelikey: Ah, okay then
[04:32] <Minataku> Is there no "make modules-install" for a 2.4?
[04:32] <intelikey> yes   but make install  does the kernel and modules
[04:32] <Minataku> For a 2.6 you have to explicitly install the modules
[04:33] <BluesKaj> is the a list of modules that make up the base kernel ?
[04:34] <BluesKaj> there
[04:34] <intelikey> BluesKaj only the things that you "compile in"  what ever part is built as "modules" is just that.  modules.
[04:35] <Nuked> no clues at all?
[04:35] <intelikey> Nuked using kdm or gdm ?
[04:36] <Nuked> kdm at the moment
[04:36] <intelikey> Nuked and do you have remote login via ?dm enabled ?
[04:36] <Nuked> but the same problem occurs with both
[04:36] <Nuked> I dont think so
[04:36] <Nuked> how do I check
[04:36] <BluesKaj> ok , of what then does the kernel actually consist ?
[04:38] <ejortegau> thanks for your help guys
[04:38] <intelikey> BluesKaj i'm not really qualified to answer that.   but for the sake of an answer think of it like this.   there "kernel" is the program that runs everything else  and that program has to control how every other process acts/interacts/and responds.
[04:38] <intelikey> Nuked i think there is a section in kcontrol that can check kdm on that point.
[04:39] <Nuked> ill look into it
[04:40] <BluesKaj> ok intelikey , thanks ...makes sense
[04:40] <intelikey> Nuked you may also have log files that can help find the problem.  look in /var/log/  for anything with ?dm  or xorg  in it.
[04:40] <Minataku> The kernel is the core operational piece of the system
[04:40] <Minataku> It also contains the drivers necessary to interact with pieces of hardware present
[04:40] <intelikey> yep very little is done that doesn't pass through the kernel
[04:41] <Minataku> These drivers can either be compiled into the kernel, or compiled as modules to be inserted into the kernel when needed
[04:42] <intelikey> also "and i like this" you can configure the build process to include or exclude almost anything that the kernel is capable of.
[04:42] <Minataku> The Linux kernel is of a modular monolithic design, the kernel exists as one large inpedendent program with the option of insertable modules to expand functionality as required
[04:42] <Minataku> Correct
[04:42] <Minataku> To the point where parts like initrd/initramfs are not needed
[04:43] <intelikey> even the abality to insert/remove modules is a compile time option.
[04:43] <BluesKaj> sounds like a definition alright , Minataku :)
[04:43] <JuJuBee_> Just finished installing kubuntu feisty for the second time.  The first time no bootable HD after reboot.  Before I reboot, how do I check to see if my HD is bootable?
[04:43] <Nuked> !pastebin
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[04:43] <Minataku> The typical binary kernel is compiled with only what cannot be included as a module
[04:43] <Minataku> Everything that CAN be included as a module is
[04:44] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ good question.
[04:44] <Minataku> The critical modules are usually placed in the initrd/initramfs so they're available to be used on boot for critical pieces such as video and storage control
[04:44] <JuJuBee_> I thought so, got an answer?
[04:44] <Nuked> intelikey,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24353/
[04:44] <Nuked> thats one of them
[04:44] <Minataku> If those aren't present for some reason, you get an panic on boot attempt
[04:44] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ actually.  no.
[04:45] <intelikey> anyone able to answer JuJuBee_   ???
[04:45] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Make sure you've installed GRUB
[04:45] <JuJuBee_> How do  I check?
[04:46] <Minataku> Have you typed "grub-install" at any time?
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> there's always cfdisk to see if the boot flag is enabled
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Thought I saw something about it installing on hd0.
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Nope, using gui install.
[04:46] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Then it should be fine
[04:46] <JuJuBee_> Should have been fine the first time then...
[04:46] <Minataku> If it fails to boot you can always boot the installed system from a LiveCD with GRUB
[04:46] <Minataku> Then fix it from there manually
[04:47] <JuJuBee_> Use the boot from hd option?
[04:47] <Minataku> Yes
[04:47] <intelikey> Nuked lots of errors there but just scanning through i don't notice anything that would naturally affect kdm in an adverse mannor...
[04:47] <JuJuBee_> K.  I'll check.  bbs
[04:48] <Nuked> intelikey, what should I do?
[04:48] <Minataku> Ah... the Sun OpenBoot PROM Monitor... with classy CG6 logo and pretty OBP font
 there's always cfdisk to see if the boot flag is enabled <<< yes that would be one of many things needed for a disk to be bootable,,, or would it?   does grub care whether a partition is set bootable ?
[04:48] <Minataku> GRUB doesn't care, AFAIK
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> i thought it did
[04:49] <Minataku> Since GRUB is booted from the MBR
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> or am i thinking lilo again?
[04:49] <intelikey> definite not lilo
[04:49] <intelikey> lilo doesn't even care if it has partitions
[04:50] <hayden> Kubuntu is awesome.
[04:50] <hayden> It just is.
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, you're right if its on the MBR it shouldn't need it...
[04:50] <intelikey> yeah i marval at it too hayden   (maybe not for the same reasons...)
[04:50] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:51] <hayden> Well I switched from Fedora and everything was just so much easier.
[04:51] <hayden> Wireless configuration, samba shares, software installation/updates, everything.
[04:51] <Minataku> Eh... laziness factor...
[04:51] <hayden> Well easier doesn't mean less capable.
[04:51] <intelikey> i really don't know of a good test to see if bios will boot a disk      without rebooting.
[04:52] <Minataku> No offense, it just sounds like the typical Windows user, "F*ck doing it myself, I want it done for me"
[04:52] <hayden> Well
[04:52] <hayden> Before Fedora I used Windows.
[04:52] <hayden> There's nothing wrong with a level of simplicity.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: spoken like a true gentoo user :P
[04:52] <intelikey> indeed
[04:52] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: And what's wrong with that? XD
[04:52] <hayden> As long as the simplicity doesn't limit you.
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> nothing, as you know im one as well XD
[04:53] <Minataku> hitmanWilly: Yep :D
[04:53] <intelikey> hayden i agree.  nothing wrong with a level of automation also.   even though i disable most automatic crap as soon as i install...
[04:53] <Minataku> I much better like a distro where I _HAVE TO_ compile my own kernel over one where I'm discouraged at many steps from ever thinking about it
[04:54] <hayden> The only thing I really haven't figured out to do is have synced accounts across a samba network.
[04:55] <Minataku> Heehee, sorry guys, I'll calm down now XD
[04:55] <intelikey> Nuked you do know that all those "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169"  are non-error errors  don't you ?   that is to say the ubuntu team made it do that on purpose and they don't consider that an error.
[04:55] <hayden> Anyone attempted/done that...?
[04:55] <BluesKaj> I'm as lazy as the next guy but i like OSS cuz it only takes work not cash to get apps to do things for you .
[04:55] <JuJuBee_> I'm back, no bootable HD... again...
[04:55] <Minataku> Just in a bit of an argumentative mood for some reason
[04:55] <JuJuBee_> invalid boot sector iirc..
[04:55] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Hrm
[04:55] <Nuked> intelikey I didnt know that
[04:56] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ sounds like you need a /boot  partition at the begining of the disk.
[04:56] <Nuked> but it still does not explain why my system is reacting the way it is
[04:56] <JuJuBee_> I have a /boot, but not separate part.
[04:56] <jewie> herro
[04:56] <intelikey> Nuked yes.  they setup the xorg.conf to try to activate "wacom" devices   and if you don't have one  then you get error messages but not really anything wrong.
[04:57] <intelikey> Nuked and no it doesn't explain that.
[04:57] <jewie> what is best app to use for installing multimedia apps and codecs
[04:57] <JuJuBee_> I Think this happened lat time I installed.  I ended up using all 1 part and letting ubuntu set it up... couldnt have /, /home and swap, but I want it...
[04:57] <hayden> jewie: Adept...?
[04:57] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: You should have three
[04:57] <Nuked> To be honest intelikey im really lost as to why the heck my system just responds the way it does
[04:57] <jewie> how do i find the w32 codecs?
[04:57] <Minataku> /boot swap /
[04:58] <Minataku> In that order
[04:58] <JuJuBee_> no /boot when I df
[04:59] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ the reason for a /boot partition of less than 2g is because some bios' are not able to read the fs of a large disk/partition too big.    that may not be your problem.  but it could be, seeing that grub relies entirely on bios for reading the fs to load the kernel
[04:59] <JuJuBee_> Hmmm, could I have one of those recovery partitions that is interfering?
[04:59] <JuJuBee_> How would I check.
[04:59] <hayden> Anyone tried wireless N yet?
[05:00] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ yes you could.   cat /proc/partitions
[05:00] <fabiosarts> hi
[05:00] <hayden> hi
[05:00] <intelikey> hi
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> Nope, only the 3 I set up...
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda1 is /
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda2 is /home
[05:00] <JuJuBee_> sda 3 swap
[05:00] <jewie> which would you recommend medibuntu or automatix?
[05:00] <fabiosarts> i have an problem with apt-get
[05:00] <intelikey> size of sda1 ?
[05:01] <JuJuBee_> 58597056
[05:01] <intelikey> jewie !automatix
[05:01] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:01] <intelikey> !medibuntu
[05:01] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:01] <intelikey> where's  the bot ?
[05:01] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[05:02] <jewie> so where should i get the w32codecs from
[05:02] <jsubl2> !WorksForMe
[05:02] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[05:02] <Minataku> Hey, could someone ban Lulu?  Jucato, you still there?
[05:03] <JuJuBee_> I don't get it... I just installed earlier onto a 160GB using 90GB / part first...
[05:03] <jewie> what i should compile them?
[05:03] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ but the bios may be different ?
[05:03] <Minataku> Jucato: Just ban the nickname
[05:04] <Minataku> So if they finally get a clue and use a different one they can still come back
[05:04] <JuJuBee_> Yes, it is, so what can I do?  Should I use a small /boot first then the / and /home and swap?
[05:04] <Jucato> er...
[05:04] <Minataku> Or just do that, either way is fine
[05:04] <Minataku> XD
[05:04] <hayden> Heheh...
[05:05] <Jucato> there
[05:05] <dewey> lol
[05:05] <JuJuBee_> How big does /boot need to be?
[05:05] <Minataku> Nice work, Jucato
[05:05] <Minataku> JuJuBee_: Make it 128MB
[05:05] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: flexing your muscles eh?
[05:05] <JuJuBee_> K, here goes....again.
[05:05] <Minataku> Jucato: Or not so good work
[05:05] <Minataku> >.<
[05:05] <Jucato> need some exercise once in a while...
[05:06] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:06] <JuJuBee_> Thanks.
[05:06] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ i would try that. yes.   make first partition /boot size less than 2g  1g is plenty for /boot  even 500m would be large enough.   then your /  which shouldn't need more than 10g if you have a seperate /home
[05:06] <Minataku> I guess Freenode's IRCd is a bit retarded
[05:06] <JuJuBee_> Really, 10G ?  I like installing stuff... I use vmware as well.
[05:06] <Minataku> Jucato: [23:05:20]  * Lulu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #kubuntu
[05:07] <Minataku> That's the IP address
[05:07] <JuJuBee_> my vm was 15G for winblows
[05:07] <hayden> Is there any open-source version of VMWare that's just as good?
[05:07] <Minataku> hayden: QEMU is close
[05:07] <hayden> Can it run programs like Macromedia Flash decently well...?
[05:07] <Minataku> Fairly easy to set up via CLI, nice and simple if you remember the switches you need
[05:07] <intelikey> JuJuBee_ yes really 10 is more than almost anyone has installed as a system   now /home will house all your "personal" stuff  dvd.images and such....
[05:08] <Minataku> hayden: Are you on x86?
[05:08] <hayden> Yes.
[05:08] <JuJuBee_> Should I save my vm's in /home then?
[05:08] <Minataku> If you are just grab !flash-nonfree
[05:08] <intelikey> yes
[05:09] <JuJuBee_> OK then.    How do I put these together for youtube?
[05:12] <Minataku> SPARCstation 10 (1 X 390Z50), Keyboard Present
[05:12] <crazy_bus> Is there a program in kubuntu to do so?
[05:12] <Minataku> Heehee
[05:12] <Minataku> I love my collection
[05:12] <hayden> What's the best POP mail program in you guys' opinions?
[05:12] <intelikey> fetchmail/sendmail ?
[05:12] <innernaut> I have two wifi cards in this machine, each are receiving an ip via dhcp... anyone know how I could bridge the cards so that I distribute the bandwidth between both?
[05:13] <BluesKaj> i dl'd vmware , but when highligted , for some reason it began installing under wine , so i aborted ...anyone heard of this ?
[05:13] <hayden> Something with a GUI...
[05:13] <hayden> :P
[05:13] <hayden> I use thunderbird currently, but I'm wondering if there are any better alternatives.
[05:13] <hayden> BluesKaj: Did you download the EXE? :P
[05:13] <intelikey> hayden there is fetchmail-fe  i think...
[05:14] <intelikey> !info fetchmailconf
[05:14] <ubotu> fetchmailconf: fetchmail configurator. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.3.6-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 61 kB, installed size 204 kB
[05:14] <intelikey> that's a gui
[05:14] <BluesKaj> I've tried a few but i always return to T-Bird
[05:14] <intelikey> hayden are you talking about just a client ?
[05:14] <BluesKaj> it was a tarfile, hayden
[05:15] <hayden> intelikey: Yes.
[05:15] <BluesKaj> er ,rar file
[05:15] <intelikey> email clients   hehhe not what i was talking about  sorry.
[05:15] <intelikey> !email
[05:15] <hayden> K, that's what I began thinking when I saw sendmail.
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about email - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <BluesKaj> !kmail
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:15] <hayden> !evolution
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <hayden> !thunderbird
[05:16] <ubotu> a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[05:16] <innernaut> brb
[05:16] <Jucato> !botabuse
[05:16] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:16] <hayden> Whoops...
[05:16] <hayden> Sorry ubotu :P
[05:16] <intelikey> :)
[05:17] <BluesKaj> ooo ubotu ...u look so good when angry
[05:17] <_4strO> !ot
[05:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:17] <_4strO> :p
[05:18] <BluesKaj> _4strO, bah
[05:18] <intelikey> ok i have built another kernel...  "take 984,362 ... and action !"
[05:18] <intelikey> time to test.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> evening all i've got a slight (hoping) problem with my install of kubuntu, i was running the 32bit version installed to my disk just fine and decided to go with 64bit instead as my system is 64bit capable i installed just fine and it instructed me to reboot to use the new system or i could keep using the livecd. now i have grub throwing first a 15 error and 2nd a 17 error any ideas?
[05:19] <Qb_Master> Hey again guys
[05:19] <Minataku> ubuntu_: I trust you've looked up these errors
[05:19] <ubuntu_> i have and cant seem to make anything useful from them
[05:20] <Qb_Master> okay so I reinstalled Kubuntu (had 6.06 Dapper Drake, am now on 7.04, Fiesty)
[05:20] <BluesKaj> error 17 is = grub missing
[05:20] <Qb_Master> and I can't get my wireless NIC to be recognized
[05:20] <Qb_Master> I currently have my router sitting on the floor and am plugged into it with a wire
[05:20] <BluesKaj> it happened to me
[05:20] <Qb_Master> (barely makes it)
[05:20] <ubuntu_> how can grub be missing if grub is throwing the error?
[05:20] <Qb_Master> so that I could connect to the internet
[05:20] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: have you tried ndiswrapper?
[05:20] <hayden> Qb_Master: Have you tried ndiswrapper?
[05:21] <mkquist> BluesKaj - have u tried to reinstall grub?
[05:21] <hayden> Ugh, you beat me :P
[05:21] <Qb_Master> ubuntu_: I can't seem to get it to install
[05:21] <BluesKaj> yes , I used the supregrub disk
[05:21] <Qb_Master> a site told me to try
[05:21] <Qb_Master> apt-get install ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[05:21] <BluesKaj> err supergrub
[05:21] <Qb_Master> and it didn't work
[05:21] <Minataku> ubuntu_: GRUB has two parts
[05:21] <ubuntu_> can i install it via this livecd?
[05:21] <Qb_Master> (yes I tried it with sudo)
[05:21] <mkquist> BluesKaj: was it working before?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> also
[05:22] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: im not up to date on ndiswrapper im still a noob :D
[05:22] <Minataku> The loader chunk which resides in the MBR, which is a very small space
[05:22] <Qb_Master> I'm getting this error
[05:22] <hayden> Qb_Master: Did you try installing it using the Adept Package Manager?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> er
[05:22] <Qb_Master> nvm about the error
[05:22] <Minataku> And the functional section which resides on either / or /boot
[05:22] <Qb_Master> hayden: it didn't show up in the adept manager
[05:22] <hayden> Ah
[05:22] <hayden> Well
[05:22] <ubuntu_> Minataku: how can i go about fixing this, i used the Kubuntu automated install
[05:22] <Minataku> If the second part is missing while the first part is present, the first part will report that GRUB is missing
[05:22] <Qb_Master> ooh hey I may have just got it
[05:22] <hayden> Qb_Master: So what did it do when you tried it with apt-get?
[05:22] <Qb_Master> lol h/o
[05:22] <Minataku> ubuntu_: Boot the LiveCD to a shell, reinstall GRUB
[05:23] <hayden> Qb_Master: OK :D
[05:23] <ubuntu_> i'll bet it has something to do with my choosing reiserfs this time around..
[05:23] <Qb_Master> well
[05:23] <Qb_Master> I did an update through the adept manager
[05:23] <Qb_Master> then tried the command again
[05:23] <Qb_Master> and it seemed to work
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Minataku: i have no idea how to reinstall GRUB i always used LILO in the past
[05:23] <hayden> Cool
[05:23] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_, has the grub problem , but I was able to rescue grub with some help from pll here, if you are dual booting like me . If you are just wanting to boot linux the supergrub disk is the answer
[05:23] <Qb_Master> so maybe the package that was missing has been delivered :)
[05:23] <Minataku> ubuntu_: grub-install
[05:24] <hayden> Hah
[05:24] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: yeah im needing to dual boot unfortunately
[05:24] <Minataku> There should be a manual page for it
[05:24] <Qb_Master> however
[05:24] <Qb_Master> still no wlan0
[05:24] <ubuntu_> i did sudo grub-install (hd0) is that correct?
[05:24] <hayden> Yeah
[05:24] <Qb_Master> just the eth0
[05:24] <hayden> You've still got to configure ndiswrapper
[05:24] <Qb_Master> k
[05:24] <hayden> Qb_Master: Do you have the driver disc for your card...?
[05:24] <Qb_Master> nope
[05:24] <Minataku> ubuntu_: I can't tell you, but it sounds proper
[05:24] <Qb_Master> dunno where it is
[05:24] <hayden> OK
[05:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:24] <ubuntu_> crap :(
[05:25] <Qb_Master> and their site doesn't give drivers - they say that Linux comes with it in the kernel
[05:25] <hayden> Qb_Master: You're going to have to find the windows drivers on the net somewhere... I believe you need the INF file.
[05:25] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master:  a mounted doze partition with the driver available on it some where?
[05:25] <Qb_Master> so they don't even provide a download link
[05:25] <hayden> Oh
[05:25] <Qb_Master> ahh yeah okay
[05:25] <Qb_Master> I can get the windows drivers, 1 min :)
[05:25] <hayden> OK
[05:25] <ubuntu_> i think linux is back to trying to kill me :)
[05:26] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , my work around was to edit the  /boot/grub/menu.lst by adding the windows boot parameters into it., but I had to install grub on linux first
[05:26] <Qb_Master> (as soon as my wireless internet stops dropping packets ;P)
[05:26] <ubuntu_> i get this error
[05:26] <hayden> Heh
[05:26] <ubuntu_> buntu@ubuntu:~$ grub-install (hd0)
[05:26] <ubuntu_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `hd0'
[05:27] <Qb_Master> okay I have a Netrtlx.inf
[05:27] <Qb_Master> with 3 other files as well
[05:27] <hayden> Alright
[05:27] <hayden> OK
[05:27] <hayden> Cool
[05:27] <hayden> So
[05:27] <BluesKaj> ubuntu are you on live cd or HDD install right now ?
[05:27] <hayden> Open up a konsole window.
[05:27] <ubuntu_> BluesKaj: live
[05:27] <Qb_Master> k
[05:28] <hayden> Qb_Master: Now cd into the directory where the inf file is
[05:28] <Qb_Master> alrighty
[05:28] <hayden> Now
[05:28] <hayden> Run
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: try dropping the () around hd0
[05:28] <hayden> ndiswrapper -i INFFILE
[05:28] <ubuntu_> ok
[05:28] <hayden> Where INFFILE would be replaced by the name of the INF file
[05:28] <BluesKaj> no brackets , ubuntu_
[05:28] <hayden> Oh, and don't forget sudo
[05:29] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -i INFFILE
[05:29] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: no go
[05:29] <ubuntu_> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[05:29] <ubuntu_> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:29] <Qb_Master> driver netrtlf is already installed
[05:29] <Qb_Master> ???
[05:29] <hayden> Oh
[05:29] <hayden> Hah
[05:29] <hayden> OK
[05:29] <hayden> So
[05:29] <Qb_Master> it's lying
[05:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:29] <hayden> Well
[05:29] <hayden> Try this:
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, hold on...
[05:30] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -m
[05:30] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: have you prayed to tux and linus yet?
[05:30] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:30] <Qb_Master> okay
[05:30] <Qb_Master> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper ...
[05:30] <Qb_Master> oOo
[05:30] <hayden> Qb_Master: Now
[05:30] <Qb_Master> that sounds promising
[05:30] <hayden> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:30] <BluesKaj> well , it's late ...sacktime for me ...take care all , happy linuxing :)
[05:30] <hayden> BluesKaj: Bye bye.
[05:30] <Qb_Master> k done
[05:30] <ubuntu_> later BluesKaj thanks
[05:30] <Qb_Master> no output
[05:31] <hayden> OK
[05:31] <hayden> ...
[05:31] <erhan> when you install something with apt-get, sometimes it asks you a bunch of questions in text based dialogs. when adept installs something that requires such dialogs, I get X errorw failed to open device. I remember having such a problem in synaptic, i installed a gnome-perl library and it started showing gtk dialogs for that. how can I fix this in adept?
[05:31] <Qb_Master> (didn't say anything)
[05:31] <hayden> try...
[05:31] <hayden> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[05:31] <hayden> (that's an L)
[05:31] <hayden> :p
[05:31] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: try it with the actual linux name ie /dev/<whatever>
[05:31] <Qb_Master> that sounds less promising
[05:31] <Qb_Master> netrtlf : invalid driver!
[05:31] <ubuntu_> hd0 would be... /dev/sda/ right?
[05:31] <ubuntu_> as im using SATA
[05:31] <hayden> Qb_Master: Shazbot...
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: yes
[05:32] <hayden> Well
[05:32] <jewie> i have amd k7 cpu. Should I just keep the generic kernel image?
[05:32] <Qb_Master> still no wlan0 showing up in the network listing
[05:32] <hayden> Either you've got the wrong driver...
[05:32] <hayden> Or I guess ndiswrapper isn't recognizing it...
[05:32] <erhan> nobody else realized this before? it always the case in a fresh kubuntu install
[05:32] <Qb_Master> I got the Windows Xp driver from realtek's driver list
[05:32] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: not found or not a block device
[05:32] <hayden> I'm not too experienced beyond this point, so...
[05:32] <hayden> :P
[05:32] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:32] <Qb_Master> hm well
[05:33] <Qb_Master> I'm sure now it's something simple
[05:33] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: just on the off chance you MIGHT know, do you know what chip your wireless card uses?
[05:33] <Qb_Master> yeah
[05:33] <Qb_Master> realtek rtl8180.sys is the windows driver
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, sudo fdisk -l and pastebin the output please
[05:33] <Qb_Master> don't know the specific name
[05:33] <Qb_Master> the card itself is a Belkin F5D5000
[05:33] <hayden> Qb_Master: I smell a Google Quest :P
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> !pastebin | ubuntu_
[05:33] <ubotu> ubuntu_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:33] <ubuntu_> may god help you sir.
[05:33] <Qb_Master> haha I've been googling for 2 days
[05:33] <Qb_Master> that's why I'm here now :P
[05:33] <ubuntu_> i had an F5D7000 it was the devil
[05:34] <hayden> I did that with my first wi-fi card, too :P
[05:34] <jtt> Qb_Master,  lspci -vvv will show driver needed
[05:34] <Qb_Master> w v? or vvv?
[05:34] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:34] <Qb_Master> (or v w?)
[05:34] <jtt> Qb_Master, v v v  3 v's   -vvv
[05:34] <Minataku> Multiple "v"s means more verbosity
[05:34] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:34] <Qb_Master> ah
[05:34] <Qb_Master> *sifts through to find realtek*
[05:35] <Minataku> You'll want to do "lspci -vvv | less"
[05:35] <eljefe> does anyone know how to make both [Alt]  keys function the same?  Currently my right [Alt]  doesn't do what i want it to
[05:35] <Minataku> Since it's gonna be a lot
[05:35] <hitmanWilly> or | grep realtek
[05:35] <Qb_Master> lolk
[05:35] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24357/
[05:35] <Minataku> eljefe: They're not supposed to be the same
[05:35] <Minataku> One's "Alt" one's "Meta"
[05:35] <eljefe> Minataku: I know, but I don't see any benefit as it is
[05:36] <eljefe> Minataku: can you clarify 'meta's role?
[05:36] <Qb_Master> Minataku: good tip :)
[05:36] <Minataku> I'm sure you can remap them, but that's a real Windows thing to do
[05:36] <Minataku> eljefe: It's a separate modifier
[05:36] <Qb_Master> okay
[05:36] <eljefe> lol dude i've been in kde for 4 years, and i still don't get its role...
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, that's weird, it should be installing....
[05:36] <Minataku> There's Shift, Ctrl, Alt, Meta and Super, IINM
[05:36] <hayden> Alright people, I'ma go.
[05:36] <hayden> G'night.
[05:36] <Qb_Master> 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MA
[05:36] <Qb_Master> C (rev 20)
[05:36] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly:  thats what im not understanding myself
[05:36] <Qb_Master>         Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC
[05:36] <Qb_Master>         Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Step
[05:36] <Qb_Master> ping- SERR+ FastB2B-
[05:37] <eljefe> Minataku: IIMN ?
[05:37] <eljefe> \IINM
[05:37] <Minataku> If I'm Not Mistaken
[05:37] <ubuntu_> i just fear i've fubared my entire pc doze nix and all
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort
[05:37] <Qb_Master> - <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR-
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Latency: 64 (8000ns min, 16000ns max), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
[05:37] <eljefe> ah
[05:37] <Minataku> TBH, I dunno what Meta is for either
[05:37] <Qb_Master>        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Region 0: I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Region 1: Memory at febffc00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
[05:37] <Qb_Master>         Capabilities: <access denied>
[05:37] <Qb_Master> (k sorry about the flood)
[05:37] <Qb_Master> that's the output for the card I believe
[05:37] <eljefe> ok so, i get the role of Super, sorta - it opens the KMenu (except my keybd doesn't have that key); what does Meta do?
[05:37] <Qb_Master> lol sorry
[05:38] <Minataku> Super is the key with the Windows logo
[05:38] <Minataku> Menu is the key with the Menu icon
[05:38] <eljefe> Minataku: that's what I am saying, if its not useful, I'd rather remap Meta to Alt so I can page back in a browser with one hand
[05:38] <Qb_Master> so yeah
[05:38] <ubuntu_> Minataku: what happens if i dremeled the doze logo off?
[05:38] <Qb_Master> what does that tell me now?
[05:38] <Minataku> ubuntu_: You get 50 worthless points
[05:38] <intelikey> well, i think i don't like building kernels.
[05:38] <Qb_Master> and why is access denied to view the capabilities?
[05:38] <abe> hi people
[05:38] <ubuntu_> what if i laser engraved a likeness of linux and tux dancing on the key instead?
[05:39] <Minataku> ubuntu_: Then you're just weird
[05:39] <Minataku> X3
[05:39] <ubuntu_> :D
[05:39] <Qb_Master> wait
[05:39] <Qb_Master> this one line:
[05:39] <Qb_Master> Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC
[05:39] <eljefe> Minataku: I just picked up this sweet old OmniKey Plus by Northgate, its an old, heavy keyboard that makes the most satisfying 'click clack' when  I type
[05:39] <Qb_Master> MAC?
[05:39] <ubuntu_> Media Access Controller?
[05:39] <Minataku> Qb_Master: I forget what it stands for
[05:39] <Minataku> Yeah, that's it
[05:39] <intelikey> i din't say i don't like the idea.  just that my machine is too slow for that.   takes to long.
[05:39] <Qb_Master> ooh okay lol
[05:39] <Minataku> eljefe: Cool
[05:40] <eljefe> ubuntu_: if you make replacement keys for sale to replace Win keys, I'd buy one  or two :)
[05:40] <Qb_Master> okay, so I see the card
[05:40] <Qb_Master> er
[05:40] <Qb_Master> it sees the physical card
[05:40] <Qb_Master> but it's not doing anything
[05:40] <ubuntu_> they come in pairs as most dozeboards have a set
[05:40] <Minataku> Qb_Master: Aren't you concerned about a USB wireless card?
[05:40] <Qb_Master> lol lemme try an ifconfig
[05:40] <Qb_Master> no, it's PCI
[05:40] <Minataku> Not a PCI 10BaseT card?
[05:40] <Minataku> Ah
[05:40] <ubuntu_> Qb_Master: for wireless its iwconfig
[05:40] <Qb_Master> k
[05:40] <Minataku> Yeah, but he's missing the card entirely, I think
[05:40] <Minataku> That is, no driver
[05:41] <eljefe> Minataku: it is cool!  but i don't have a majority of the 'new' keys, such as Menu or Super/Win. And I dislike the right-[Alt] ... and i wanna remap it.  Seems pretty Linuxy for me to do, I think :)
[05:41] <ubuntu_> thats strange as im running a cousin of the chip he is the 8187L and mine works out of the box
[05:41] <Qb_Master> (lol noob question: how do I get out of the lspci output?)
[05:41] <ubuntu_> ctrl+c
[05:41] <Minataku> No
[05:41] <Minataku> You're in less you type "q"
[05:41] <ubuntu_> oh right
[05:41] <Minataku> For Quit
[05:41] <Qb_Master> ahh k
[05:41] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:41] <Minataku> :P

[05:41] <Qb_Master> I knew that, but forgot lmao
[05:41] <jtt> Qb_Master, looks like the driver for 8180L does not ship with 7.04
[05:42] <Qb_Master> found it out the other day
[05:42] <ubuntu_> thats herecy!
[05:42] <Qb_Master> jtt: ya but it shipped with 6.06 so that's strange :P
[05:42] <Ace2016> http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=linuxoffice2007lh1.png  :D
[05:42] <intelikey> man but i do like a 2.4 kernel much better than the 2.6 on this box   cut my initial ram usage in half.  form  14m to 8    well almost half.
[05:42] <Minataku> Like I said, I think someone dropped the ball
[05:42] <Qb_Master> yah - well I posted the bug report
[05:42] <ubuntu_> dropped the ball?
[05:42] <jtt> Qb_Master, probably an oversight
[05:42] <Qb_Master> now I'm just trying to get around that problem
[05:42] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:42] <Minataku> What jtt said
[05:43] <ubuntu_> you know it kind of sucks that i can only boot my pc with this livecd now :D
[05:43] <eljefe> ubuntu_ dropped the ball = made a mistake
[05:43] <Qb_Master> iwconfig returns
[05:43] <ubuntu_> ah..
[05:43] <Qb_Master> lo        no wireless extensions.
[05:43] <Qb_Master> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[05:43] <jtt> Qb_Master, you have 6.06  /lib/modules still around somewhere
[05:43] <Qb_Master> ifconfig returns info about those cards
[05:43] <Qb_Master> jtt no
[05:43] <Qb_Master> I reinstalled
[05:43] <Minataku> jtt: Won't work anyway, version mismatch
[05:43] <Qb_Master> not upgraded lol
[05:43] <Minataku> Qb_Master: You may have to recompile a kernel
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: maybe try the --no-floppy option?
[05:44] <Minataku> If there's no way to get the extra drivers
[05:44] <ubuntu_> what would that do?
[05:44] <Minataku> !wireless
[05:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:44] <Minataku> !drivers
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <jtt> Qb_Master, have you looked in the archives for  8180 driver
[05:44] <Minataku> !modules
[05:44] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u
[05:44] <Minataku> Bah
[05:44] <Minataku> Check that first one
[05:44] <intelikey> but the bug in mc still affects it.   !!! KRAP !!!
[05:44] <Minataku> Maybe there will be something useful there
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: it has to do with how grub install reads the drive.
[05:44] <Minataku> Knowing the wiki, probably not
[05:44] <Qb_Master> um I think I looked but didn't know where to go lol
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: iirc
[05:45] <Minataku> !realtek
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about realtek - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <ubuntu_> so sudo grub-install hd0 --no-floppy?
[05:45] <Minataku> Eh
[05:45] <intelikey> it looks like i'll stop using mc until it's fixed (probably never)
[05:45] <Minataku> intelikey: What's wrong now?
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: swap the hd0 and --no-floppy flag
[05:45] <intelikey> memory leak.
[05:45] <Qb_Master> well how come I'm the only one who's been in here complaining about 7.04 not having wireless drivers?
[05:45] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:45] <ubuntu_> sudo grub-install --no-floppy hd0 then?
[05:45] <Minataku> Qb_Master: Because you're the only one with a chipset that the idiot forgot to include
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: so grub-install --no-floppy hd0
[05:46] <Qb_Master> ah okay haha
[05:46] <Minataku> No offense to said idiot, but doublecheck next time
[05:46] <intelikey> Minataku trying to save file with only group perms   it can't save but eats about 35m ram "unrecoverable" on each attempt.
[05:46] <ubuntu_> i feel like an idiot :)
[05:46] <Minataku> intelikey: Eep.
[05:46] <terrestre> i lost my swap
[05:46] <Qb_Master> well what would I have to go through to compile my own kernel? (and would it make other programs incompatible?)
[05:46] <intelikey> file size 125 bites.
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: or you may just have to install it by hand
[05:46] <Minataku> terrestre: Open up the computer and find it, should be on the bottom
[05:46] <Minataku> j/k
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: still no go
[05:47] <Qb_Master> like, I wouldn't mind having the same kernel as now, plus the wireless driver
[05:47] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:47] <ubuntu_> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok, grub --no-floppy and i'll walk you through the setup
[05:47] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: i have one more idea i'll brb ok?
[05:47] <intelikey> Qb_Master to roll your own kernel   get the source   unpack it  read the README   run a few commands.
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: i suspect its because linux isn't the ,0 partition
[05:48] <ubuntu_> and pray
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> ubuntu_: ok
[05:48] <Qb_Master> k
[05:48] <ubuntu_> hitmanWilly: i suspect something myself im about to test the theory
[05:48] <Qb_Master> well if worst comes to worst I will do that
[05:48] <Minataku> Don't worry, you'll have the original kernel to fall back on if you mess up the new one
[05:48] <Qb_Master> but first off, don't I have to figure out how to get the driver to work?
[05:48] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:49] <Qb_Master> can't just package a new kernel without the driver working lol then it'd be a waste of time
[05:49] <Qb_Master> (mind you I've never rolled a kernel in my life :P)
[05:49] <terrestre> i lost my swap after a freezing or something like that
[05:49] <Qb_Master> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> Qb_Master it's not hard.  just take your time and read through the online help as you go
[05:50] <bob> Greets, everyone...
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> but not on ubuntu, its a pita
[05:50] <Qb_Master> still
[05:50] <intelikey> bob
[05:50] <Qb_Master> I need to get the driver working first, right?
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: ?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> oh,
[05:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly nothing.  bob drops in says hello and leaves before anyont responds
[05:51] <bob> Can someone give me some help with mounting an NTFS partition so that someone other than root can access it?
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: oh, i usually ignore the join/quit msgs
[05:52] <jebuskrist> gentlemens :)
[05:52] <jebuskrist> hitmanWilly: it was as i suspected
[05:52] <intelikey> !ntfs | bob
[05:52] <ubotu> bob: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:52] <jebuskrist> its ubuntu_ by the way
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: i figured that out :P
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: what was it, btw?
[05:52] <bob> Thanks, intelikey
[05:53] <jebuskrist> it installed grub on sdb instead of sda this time around
[05:53] <Qb_Master> wait a minute...
[05:53] <jebuskrist> so by selected sdb as my boot device in my BIOS boot menu everything worked fine
[05:53] <Qb_Master> sudo ndiswrapper -l
[05:53] <_4strO> !ntfs
[05:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:53] <Qb_Master> returns netrtlf : invalid driver!
[05:53] <Qb_Master> does that mean
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: lol, the one bios has set up as boot first, right?
[05:53] <Qb_Master> it just needs a file that is in the wrong place?
[05:53] <Qb_Master> (like a .sys or .cat file? lol)
[05:54] <bob> intelikey: Do you mind if I tell you what I've already done so you can tell me if I'll need to take some extra steps?
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> jebuskrist: ive pulled that trick before myself :)
[05:54] <Qb_Master> or does ndiswrapper only use the .inf?
[05:54] <intelikey> jebuskrist ummm hmmm   the scsi emulation used by the installcd tricked out the order   i.e. grub didn't know what bios called the first disk....      that's one thing that scsi emulation does mess up.
[05:54] <jebuskrist> hitmanWilly: well i HAVE sda set as my default 1st boot device and hadnt changed anything except for going to 64bit kubuntu from 32bit so i dont know why it didnt install to sda like the 32bit did
[05:54] <usagi__> hello
[05:54] <intelikey> bob shoot.
[05:55] <jebuskrist> so how to i go about removing the broken grub on my other disk :D
[05:55] <jebuskrist> to=do
[05:55] <intelikey> jebuskrist install a boot loader there.    "over write the MBR"
[05:55] <jebuskrist> i was afraid of that
[05:55] <jewie> sorry to bug 1 more question. I installed mplayer with synaptic.  Where does it look for codecs?  I dont know where to put them.
[05:55] <Qb_Master> aha!
[05:56] <intelikey> jebuskrist you can install M$/s MBR if you like.
[05:56] <Qb_Master> sudo ndiswrapper -i /home/qbmaster/ndis51_663/Netrtlx.inf ----- returned 'installing netrtlx ...'!
[05:56] <Qb_Master> that may have worked hehe
[05:56] <Qb_Master> lemme check
[05:56] <Qb_Master> hmm
[05:56] <intelikey> and it may not have  ?
[05:56] <bob> intelikey: First, I installed the Read/Write to NTFS app. in Automatix2. That only mounted the system restore partition and a hidden partition, not my main Windows drive. So I went into the Disk & Filesystems shell of KControl, created a folder called "windows-drive" under /media, gave it that as a mount point and enabled it...
[05:57] <redshadowhero> Okay, does anyone know how to make a window "float," or otherwise stay on top of all the other windows?
[05:57] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i liked how i had it before it would boot from sda which IS the first disk and i could selected kubuntu or doze now i have to hit the boot selection key and choose sdb to choose kubuntu or doze
[05:57] <intelikey> !Automatix | bob
[05:57] <ubotu> bob: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:57] <jebuskrist> redshadowhero: right click choose always on top?
[05:57] <redshadowhero> oh, wow...
[05:57] <jebuskrist> err advanced>keep above others
[05:58] <Qb_Master> intelikey: well it installed the driver
[05:58] <redshadowhero> ah, there it is.
[05:58] <redshadowhero> Thanks.
[05:58] <jebuskrist> np
[05:58] <jebuskrist> intelikey: i take it automatix isnt well liked?
[05:58] <intelikey> jebuskrist you can install grub there also.   or lilo   or <pick a boot loader>
[05:58] <bob> Umm... I know what Automatix is, but thanks. :)
[05:58] <intelikey> jebuskrist not here. no.
[05:58] <jebuskrist> i like it quite a bit but didnt know it could break systems @_@
[05:59] <jebuskrist> intelikey: im a noob thats far too advanced a thing for me :)
[05:59] <intelikey> bob it was the part about we don't support it that i wanted you to see.
how do I remove a directory?</noob>
[05:59] <Qb_Master> (with terminal)
[05:59] <jebuskrist> rmdir i think?
[05:59] <jebuskrist> or is that dos?
[05:59] <bob> Ohh ok. Well, I'm 99.9% sure the problem I'm having has nothing to do with Automatix
[05:59] <Qb_Master> k
[05:59] <redshadowhero> rmdir
[05:59] <redshadowhero> or you can use rm
[05:59] <jewie> does anyone know where I need to place the essential codec pack for mplayer?
[05:59] <redshadowhero> but there are some flags
[05:59] <Qb_Master> rm didn't work that's why I was asking lol
[06:00] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: i'd suggest waiting for confirmation from others before doing anything i say im still shaky at *nix
[06:00] <usagi__> how does one add a font to kde without going through control panel?
[06:00] <Qb_Master> k well I'm just removing an empty directory
[06:00] <redshadowhero> well, rm would work
[06:00] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:00] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: last time i tried that on OSX i wiped out my entire disk @_@
[06:01] <Qb_Master> k so ndiswrapper -l reports 'netrtlx: driver installed'
[06:01] <Qb_Master> ifconfig still shows no wireless card though
[06:01] <Qb_Master> something I need to do first?
[06:01] <terrestre>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/66637 someone, with this problem? any idea?
[06:01] <jebuskrist> one sec Qb_Master
[06:01] <intelikey> !fonts > usagi__
[06:01] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:02] <Minataku> Decided to play with my SPARCstation 10 a bit
[06:02] <jebuskrist> Minataku: i'll bet mines bigger than yours :D
[06:02] <bob> I had to do kdesu konqueror to even be able to open the folder I mounted the Windows partition in. Tried "sudo chown -R bob:bob /media/windows-drive" and "sudo chmod -R a+rw /media/windows-drive". After doing "ls -l /media/windows-drive" it looks like neither of those commands actually did anything
[06:02] <usagi__> intelikey: Thanks
[06:02] <Minataku> Need to fix my Ultra 2 but it's near the bottom of the stack
[06:02] <jebuskrist> i have a beastly old SPARCServer 630MP
[06:02] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Sweet
[06:02] <jebuskrist> it needs a home :(
[06:03] <Minataku> Really now?
[06:03] <jebuskrist> else my dads gonna trash it
[06:03] <Minataku> I'll take it
[06:03] <jebuskrist> you pay shipping :D
[06:03] <Qb_Master> - /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper contains the line "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper"
[06:03] <bob> stumpleit: "sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager" and if it's not already there, then "sudo apt-get install restricted-manager" and try again.
[06:03] <Minataku> Heehee, I hope I can
[06:03] <Minataku> No guarantees yet, now
[06:03] <Qb_Master> I bet I just have to reload the network config somehow lol
[06:03] <jebuskrist> even comes with a 13-14" monitor, keyboard and mouse :-O
[06:03] <Minataku> I've got a monitor
[06:03] <jebuskrist> Minataku: last time i got a quote to ship it via freight it was about $500
[06:03] <Minataku> jebuskrist: WHAT?!
[06:04] <Minataku> Was that the cheapest?!
[06:04] <jebuskrist> UPS/USPS/FEDEX wanted around 1,500
[06:04] <Minataku> Lemme look up the 630
[06:04] <jebuskrist> its around 200lbs :)
[06:04] <intelikey> bob ok.  you can't chmod or chown a M$ file system.  there is no permissions bit.  the permissions you see are a vertual perms set fs-wide by mount    the args   uid= gid= fmask= dmask= and umask=  affect that vertual permissons
[06:05] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Well... what's it got in it
[06:05] <Minataku> I may ask you to salvage it for me instead
[06:05] <Minataku> Just give me lighter pieces
[06:05] <Qb_Master> (where does Kubuntu look for its network interfaces?)
[06:05] <Minataku> Let's take this to PM
[06:05] <intelikey> bob  for a working example do;   sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /mountpoint
[06:05] <jebuskrist> im not registered
[06:05] <stumpleit> hi in ubuntu using KDE how can I access the Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:05] <Minataku> jebuskrist: I have that turned off anyway
[06:05] <nbcb> hi how do i find out if i'm using debian or ubuntu in the terminal?
[06:05] <intelikey> and you will see that everything is not set 777  on that fs.
[06:06] <klobster> how do I make firefox NOT open pdf's?  they always hang :(
[06:06] <nbcb> uname -r gives me 2.6.19
[06:06] <intelikey> bob for all the details   man mount    look at the section about fs specific settings
[06:06] <nbcb> does it mean i'm on debian, or ubuntu?
[06:06] <terrestre> lsb_release -a
[06:06] <terrestre> nbcb:  lsb_release -a
[06:06] <bob> intelikey: Thanks
[06:07] <intelikey> np
[06:07] <Qb_Master> ???
[06:07] <bob> This is weird. This is the third dual-boot setup I've done, and I didn't have this problem on either of the other ones
[06:07] <nbcb> terrestre: it doesn't have this command lsb_release..
[06:07] <bob> Actually, fourth*
[06:07] <stumpleit> can anyone tell me how I can enable enable ATI accelerated graphics driver under KDE?
[06:08] <intelikey> bob the others probably setup the /etc/fstab with options in there for that purpose.
[06:08] <bob> stumpleit: Did you see my reply a minute ago?
[06:08] <nbcb> any alternate ways to find out what linux is running?
[06:08] <stumpleit> bob: no missed it sorry
[06:08] <bob> intelikey: Sorry, but umm... Huh? :-D
[06:09] <terrestre> locate ubuntu
[06:09] <intelikey> bob the other installs you mentioned.   all the same installer ?    all the same disk/fs layout ?
[06:09] <Qb_Master> - /etc/network/interfaces
[06:09] <Qb_Master> is that the spot?
[06:09] <bob> Yeah
[06:09] <bob> Well
[06:10] <intelikey> that's what i thought.
[06:10] <bob> I think the partitions may have been arranged differently for Windoze
[06:10] <Qb_Master> hmm...
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> ok, back later all
[06:11] <stumpleit> why doesnt my system have "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager?
[06:11] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: you still working on it
[06:11] <bob> stumpleit: Run "sudo /usr/bin/restricted-manager"
[06:11] <jebuskrist> stumpleit: you're on Kubuntu not Ubuntu and most documentation is for Ubuntu which uses Gnome and has a few things KDE doesnt
[06:11] <elementrus86> hello
[06:11] <bob> stumpleit: If it's not there, do "sudo apt-get install restricted manager" and try again
[06:12] <elementrus86> how can I install something with apt-get and install all of the dependencies as well
[06:12] <stumpleit> bob: ya i do that but it errors for some reason hrmm
[06:12] <intelikey> the installer is just a hit and miss attempt at setting up a system and giving a usable configuration.     if it hits you go off praising the os.  if it misses...   it's really hard to anticipate every possable configuration/hardware/setup need.   and installers are only as good as the writer + user    so...
[06:12] <bob> I read somewhere that Kubuntu has Restricted Manager installed by default, but there's just no shortcut
[06:12] <bob> errors?
[06:12] <nbcb> locate ubuntu? where is it
[06:13] <Qb_Master> shmm
[06:13] <Qb_Master> *hmm
[06:13] <Qb_Master> I think I'm going to try a restart
[06:13] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: fixed it yet?
[06:13] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: maybe so
[06:13] <Qb_Master> the driver's installed and all
[06:14] <Qb_Master> but I think maybe it needs to reload
[06:14] <stumpleit> bob: ya it says your hardware does not need any restricted drivers and then it exits, nand in the conosle i get errors like modinfo: could not find module fglrx
[06:14] <Qb_Master> and since I dnt know how to do that manually
[06:14] <Qb_Master> I think I'll just reboot
[06:14] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:14] <jebuskrist> couldnt hurt :D
[06:14] <Qb_Master> haha yeah
[06:14] <Qb_Master> I should log this chat tho 1st so I can refer back to it...
[06:14] <jebuskrist> unless you blow up grub like i did :D
[06:14] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:14] <Qb_Master> er hmm
[06:14] <Qb_Master> maybe I can't log it...
[06:15] <Qb_Master> oh wait
[06:15] <Qb_Master> it does it for me
[06:15] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:15] <Qb_Master> k be back in a few minutes
[06:15] <Qb_Master> thanks for the tons of support you guys have given thus far :D
[06:15] <jebuskrist> k
[06:15] <bob> intelikey: Do the numbers in that command you gave me (sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/windows-drive/) correlate to *nix style permissions numbers?
[06:16] <elementrus86> if i wanted to install firefox, how would I install firefox and all the dependencies it requires
[06:16] <jebuskrist> sudo apt-get install firefox
[06:16] <elementrus86> i get dependency errors
[06:16] <usagi__> can mac fonts work in kde?
[06:17] <jebuskrist> strange
[06:17] <intelikey> bob yes   mask numbers   i.e.  7 - <number>
[06:17] <elementrus86> or maybe my root password is wrong or something
[06:17] <Darkkish> how is Qb's wifi doing so far/
[06:17] <elementrus86> i dont remember the kubuntu installer asking me for a root password
[06:17] <Darkkish> it always has o__o
[06:17] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: if you havent changed your root password it would be your user password
[06:18] <jebuskrist> wb Qb_Master
[06:18] <Qb_Master> I's is back :)
[06:18] <Darkkish> Qb_Master how's yoru wifi doing?
[06:18] <Qb_Master> thanks
[06:18] <jebuskrist> np
[06:18] <Qb_Master> umm well better than before Darkkish
[06:18] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:18] <Darkkish> lol
[06:18] <Darkkish> working yet?
[06:18] <Minataku> :O
[06:18] <Qb_Master> lemme see
[06:18] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:18] <bob> Damned ATI
[06:19] <Darkkish> are you running 7.04?
[06:19] <Minataku> I'M IN THE TOP 100
[06:19] <Minataku> HOLY CRAP
[06:19] <jebuskrist> top 100 for what?
[06:19] <Qb_Master> no not yet
[06:19] <Qb_Master> still not in the list :(
[06:19] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: try this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29
[06:19] <jewie> how come I rebooted kubuntu and now the only resolution I have is 640x480
[06:19] <Minataku> I'm in the top 100 scores of this one track in this one event on Forza Motorsport 2 :O
[06:19] <elementrus86> im also planning to update from edgy to feisty
[06:19] <Darkkish> Para que?
[06:19] <Minataku> Specifically, 59
[06:19] <elementrus86> how would i do that? and would all of my apps and configs stay?
[06:19] <Minataku> Of at least 3900
[06:19] <Qb_Master> okies
[06:19] <Darkkish> Oh man, i want Forza 2
[06:19] <Darkkish> but first i want a 360 :p
[06:19] <jebuskrist> xbox 360?
[06:19] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:20] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: I got ndiswrapper, and the wireless driver installed
[06:20] <Minataku> Darkkish: Heh
[06:20] <jebuskrist> my 360 looks lonely
[06:20] <Qb_Master> the wlan0 isn't showing up still though
[06:20] <jebuskrist> next to my wii
[06:20] <Minataku> Yeah, having a 360 would help ;3
[06:20] <jebuskrist> i want the elite just cause its black
[06:20] <elementrus86> dang, this is way more active than the fedora irc channel lol
[06:21] <elementrus86> how would i update from edgy to feisty? and would all of my apps and configs stay?
[06:21] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: one sec
[06:21] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: did you figure out your password yet? lol
[06:21] <jebuskrist> elementrus86: i think you'd do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:21] <Minataku> Haha, that's sweet, it's got my setup and the replay on the server
[06:21] <Darkkish> Qb_Master with ndis it might show up as eth0
[06:21] <jewie> 640x480 is a terrible resolution
[06:22] <Darkkish> lol
[06:22] <jebuskrist> all your apps should stay as for your configs i cant guarantee
[06:22] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: I'm on eth0 now
[06:22] <Darkkish> oh :p
[06:22] <Qb_Master> aka: my router is on the floor
[06:22] <Darkkish> eth1 then?
[06:22] <Qb_Master> and I have 2 50 ft wires cnxn'ed to it
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lol no eth0 is the only one in the list
[06:22] <Darkkish> jewie xorg.conf?
[06:22] <Qb_Master> other then lo (loopback)
[06:22] <Darkkish> lol
[06:22] <jewie> yeah i checked it all that was in there is 640 resolution, i changed it and nothing happened
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lemme get this here gui interface for ndiswrapper
[06:22] <Qb_Master> I'm tired of the terminal
[06:22] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:22] <elementrus86> thx for the help
[06:22] <jebuskrist> np
[06:23] <Minataku> Sorry, I was just shocked to see that XD
[06:23] <jebuskrist> i cant play online with my 360 or anything for that matter
[06:23] <Darkkish> wow did anyone know there is a domain suffix .im
[06:23] <Qb_Master> o.O;
[06:23] <Qb_Master> I have a settings tab now
[06:23] <Qb_Master> in my K menu
[06:23] <Qb_Master> with one option
[06:23] <Darkkish> lol
[06:24] <Qb_Master> 'Windows Wireless Drivers'
[06:24] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:24] <Darkkish> niice
[06:24] <Qb_Master> but it does nothing when I click on it
[06:24] <Darkkish> oh.
[06:24] <Darkkish> not niice.
[06:24] <Qb_Master> :/
[06:24] <Qb_Master> yah
[06:24] <jebuskrist> i think its trying to kill YOU now
[06:24] <Minataku> Heh, my 1969 Nissan Fairlady Z432R
[06:24] <Minataku> Downloadable to the world
[06:24] <Darkkish> I am going to boot to linux
[06:24] <Darkkish> brb
[06:24] <Minataku> Well, a replay featuring it, anyway
[06:24] <jebuskrist> Minataku: you'd never beat my 1969 dodge charger :D
[06:24] <jewie> the same thing happened on my laptop w/ nvidia gfx
[06:25] <jewie> after a reboot, all i get is 640 resolution. i didnt upgrade anything
[06:25] <jebuskrist> unless i had to turn a corner...
[06:25] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Why no online play?
[06:25] <Minataku> XBL Silver is free
[06:25] <jebuskrist> Minataku: shatellite
[06:25] <Qb_Master> oh that's the ndisgtk
[06:25] <intelikey> my first car was a 63 ford fairlane 500
[06:25] <Qb_Master> wonder why it isn't coming up though...
[06:25] <Qb_Master> odd
[06:25] <Minataku> jebuskrist: Ah
[06:25] <Minataku> Yeah, that'll mess ya up
[06:25] <jebuskrist> i could run my packets back and forth faster :D
[06:26] <jebuskrist> a 1500ms minimum ping doesnt do wonders for your game play
[06:26] <jebuskrist> right now im running a whole 1s lag time
[06:26] <Qb_Master> lol all well
[06:26] <Qb_Master> I'll continue with the terminal
[06:27] <Minataku> Heh
[06:27] <Qb_Master> since it's finally coinciding with me
[06:27] <Qb_Master> (a little)
[06:27] <Qb_Master> ah hey Minataku
[06:27] <Minataku> These other guys have, like, modern Zs
[06:27] <Qb_Master> okay I got the driver installed
[06:27] <Minataku> I'm 59th with one from 1969
[06:27] <Minataku> XD
[06:27] <Qb_Master> (with ndiswrapper)
[06:27] <jebuskrist> :D
[06:27] <Qb_Master> the wlan0 still won't show up though
[06:27] <jebuskrist> think you'd beat a 69 dodge charger with that?
[06:27] <Qb_Master> anything you can think of for me to try?
[06:27] <Minataku> jebuskrist: I dunno
[06:28] <Minataku> I know there's at least one old Charger in the game
[06:28] <Qb_Master> wb Darkkish
[06:28] <Minataku> Dunno if it's a '69
[06:28] <jebuskrist> i'll almost guarantee you would in cornering lol
[06:28] <Darkkish> kback
[06:28] <Darkkish> thx Qb_Master
[06:28] <Darkkish> doing mathomework too
[06:28] <Minataku> jebuskrist: That's where I tend to excel over the AI
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol I should be
[06:28] <Darkkish> but now i'm distracted by beryl
[06:28] <jebuskrist> mmm beryl
[06:28] <Darkkish> lol <3
[06:28] <Minataku> jebuskrist: And I was 59th even with a goofup I made
[06:28] <Qb_Master> Darkkish: did you figure out your irc pass/
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:28] <Darkkish> no
[06:28] <Minataku> Where I went off the track for a second or two
[06:28] <Darkkish> i need someone to reset it.
[06:28] <Darkkish> >_>
[06:28] <Qb_Master> you should re-register
[06:28] <Darkkish> how?
[06:28] <Qb_Master> as like Darkkish2
[06:28] <Qb_Master> lol or something
[06:29] <Darkkish> No D:
[06:29] <Darkkish> I AM THE DARKKISH.
[06:29] <Darkkish> lol
[06:29] <jebuskrist> nice Minataku
[06:29] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:29] <jebuskrist> now whats a darkkish?
[06:29] <redshadowhero> okay, another question...
[06:29] <Qb_Master> hmm
[06:29] <Qb_Master> grr
[06:29] <Qb_Master> what am I forgetting to do?
[06:29] <redshadowhero> when a process isn't responding, is there a "ctrl+alt+del"-type combonation in kubuntu?
[06:29] <Qb_Master> lol I know it's like one thing
[06:29] <Qb_Master> one simple thing
[06:29] <Qb_Master> and it'll work
[06:30] <Qb_Master> the driver's there
[06:30] <redshadowhero> I'm asking this for a friend of mine who isn't comfortable with command line
[06:30] <Qb_Master> the alias is in
[06:30] <Qb_Master> (alias wlan0 ndiswrapper)
[06:30] <Qb_Master> but wlan0 still is absent
[06:30] <dogatemycomputer> redshadowhero: there is a task manager.. is that what you're asking?  I think its CTRL-ESC?
[06:30] <redshadowhero> oh...
[06:30] <jebuskrist> Minataku: its a 1969 Dodge Charger RT/SE
[06:30] <Qb_Master> ...
[06:31] <Qb_Master> help?
[06:31] <redshadowhero> he just said its at the shutdown screen...
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:31] <redshadowhero> so, there wouldn't be a task manager for THAT, then.
[06:31] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master: did you try my link?
[06:31] <Qb_Master> yeah
[06:31] <jebuskrist> no go?
[06:31] <Qb_Master> ooh wait I missed the bottom part
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lmao
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> redshadowhero: i remapped my default keys to CTRL-ALT-T .. so the defaults are no longer there..
[06:31] <Qb_Master> lemme try the depmod -a
[06:31] <Darkkish> jebuskrist: it's an adjective, it came from my original name Darkkish_Box, but that's too long for alot of things
[06:32] <intelikey> why does bash math act differently with different kernels ?
[06:32] <jebuskrist> ah...
[06:32] <jebuskrist> mine comes from the fact that i looked like a deranged version of jesus all in black
[06:33] <jebuskrist> so my buddies started calling me jebus krist because i can be an asshole at times unlike the forgiving jesus christ
[06:33] <redshadowhero> dogatemycomputer: yes, ctrl+esc does work for me
[06:33] <redshadowhero> dogatemycomputer: but I'll stick with command line for all my process-killing woes
[06:33] <Qb_Master> jebuskrist: ndiswrapper -l returns 'netrtlf : driver installed' ---- the site says it should return 'driver present, hardware present'
[06:33] <Qb_Master> is that a bad thing?
[06:34] <jebuskrist> no idea im a noob :(
[06:34] <Qb_Master> lol oh
[06:34] <Qb_Master> k
[06:34] <jebuskrist> thats the limit of my knowledge sorry
[06:34] <Qb_Master> k's
[06:34] <Qb_Master> well um
[06:34] <jebuskrist> as blasphemous as this may sound you might try #gentoo over on freenode
[06:34] <Qb_Master>  sudo ifdown wlan0 returns 'ifdown: interface wlan0 not configured'
[06:34] <jebuskrist> those guys could install and compile their way out of hell if need be
[06:34] <Qb_Master> haha
[06:35] <jebuskrist> @_o
[06:35] <jebuskrist> see what iwconfig gives you
[06:35] <Qb_Master> lo and eth0 still
[06:35] <jebuskrist> blast
[06:35] <Minataku> Sorry, was racing X3
[06:35] <Qb_Master> lol: sudo apt-get heaven prayer universe
[06:35] <jebuskrist> no idea :(
[06:35] <Qb_Master> :P
[06:35] <jebuskrist> good idea :D
[06:35] <Qb_Master> rotfl
[06:35] <jebuskrist> mm racing
[06:36] <Darkkish> A cool game that i found
[06:36] <Darkkish> that i had to have is called Toca Race driver 3
[06:36] <Darkkish> and it has like billions of different cars, but it's for windows, and idk how it would do on wine or cedega.
[06:36] <jebuskrist> none of that can beat mario kart :D
[06:36] <Minataku> Haha
[06:36] <Qb_Master> mario kart rules
[06:36] <Qb_Master> especially when you know how to hex edit it ;D
[06:36] <jebuskrist> name one other racing game that lets you shoot a red turtle up princess peach's backside?
[06:36] <Qb_Master> hehe I have my hacked mario kart
[06:36] <Qb_Master> that's fun to play online :D
[06:37] <Minataku> Heh
[06:37] <Qb_Master> hmm
[06:37] <Qb_Master> okay, it may sound noobish after all I've been going through
[06:37] <Qb_Master> but
[06:37] <Qb_Master> anybody know how to configure a network interface?
[06:37] <_4strO> !codecs
[06:37] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:37] <intelikey> i just visited #bash        chanserv is set to autoop level 0    you join you are op
[06:38] <bob_> intelikey: Sorry to keep bugging you. Just one more question: Is there anything I can do in KControl's Disk & Filesystems section so that the main Windows partition will be readable and writable by all users upon startup?
[06:38] <elementrus86> if I wanted to learn to program for linux, what would be the best language to learn?
[06:38] <Minataku> C, C++ or Python
[06:39] <Qb_Master> lol I wish I understood C++
[06:39] <Qb_Master> I prolly would if I weren't learning originally in the VisualC++ environment :P
[06:39] <intelikey> bob_ i'm not sure about kcontrol   but you can add  dmask=000,fmask=111  in /etc/fstab   for that mount.    that's the results you want.
[06:40] <Darkkish> lol probably qb
[06:40] <jebuskrist> my programming skills stop at qbasic level and bad qb at that
[06:40] <Jucato> elementrus86: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=39 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=333867
[06:40] <Qb_Master> lol I learned qbasic when I was in 3rd grade
[06:40] <Qb_Master> ended up programming a DOS-based mp3 player
[06:40] <Qb_Master> in it
[06:40] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:41] <Qb_Master> however, with Windows XP it stopped working
[06:41] <intelikey> qbasic didn't exist when i was in third grade
[06:41] <Qb_Master> because Xp switched over methods of playing sound
[06:41] <bob_> intelikey: Just add that at the end of the line that /dev/hda1 (the windows partition) is on?
[06:41] <Qb_Master> haha I made a basic internet connection thing in Qbasic too :)
[06:41] <elementrus86> i think I'll go with Python
[06:41] <bob_> Sorry, never touched fstab before. :-\
[06:41] <Qb_Master> did it by retrieveing the output manually from winsock.dll
[06:42] <intelikey> bob not end     options section     like this;  /dev/hda1 /mountpoint defaults,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0
[06:42] <jebuskrist> i feel like an old man :D
[06:42] <Qb_Master> that was a fun time :)
[06:42] <jebuskrist> when i was tooling around with qbasic we didnt have internet :D
[06:42] <intelikey> ooops.
[06:42] <Qb_Master> well at least a fun project
[06:42] <Qb_Master> haha yeah
[06:42] <intelikey> bob not end     options section     like this;  /dev/hda1 /mountpoint ntfs-3g defaults,dmask=000,fmask=111 0 0
[06:42] <jebuskrist> we had... BBS'!!!
[06:42] <Qb_Master> prolly didn't have mp3 either :P
[06:43] <Qb_Master> (not to mention WAV)
[06:43] <jebuskrist> nope :D
[06:43] <Qb_Master> hehe
[06:43] <intelikey> sorry i forgot the fstype the first time bob
[06:43] <Qb_Master> oh man I'm so close
[06:43] <jebuskrist> it could be im older than you or i was poor as #%!#@$ and couldnt afford anything back then :D
[06:43] <Qb_Master> lol
[06:43] <Admiral_Chicago> !offtopic
[06:43] <Qb_Master> well 3rd grade for me was 8 years ago
[06:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:43] <Qb_Master> so
[06:44] <Qb_Master> ya
[06:44] <intelikey> bob note: you should probably install and use ntfs-3g
[06:44] <jebuskrist> 3rd grade for me was...
[06:44] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[06:44] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:44] <jebuskrist> long long ago
[06:44] <Qb_Master> heh
[06:44] <jebuskrist> im probably damn near old enough to be a few peoples parents in here
[06:44] <bob_> intelikey: Should I do that before making this change to fstab?
[06:44] <Qb_Master> um, anybody know a way to open Kate as root without having to go to the terminal and type 'sudo kate'?
[06:44] <jebuskrist> makes me feel like a luser :D
[06:44] <intelikey> bob before or after    read the ubotu post  ^
[06:44] <jebuskrist> Qb_Master:  kdesu kate
[06:45] <jebuskrist> after pressing alt+f2
[06:45] <Qb_Master> thanks :)
[06:45] <jebuskrist> np
[06:46] <jebuskrist> i think i had alot more patience back in the dos days than i do now because i learned dos and computers by banging around as i am in linux now but i get irritated more easily with it now lol
[06:46] <proxie> Any chance anyone could help me mount a hard drive real quick?
[06:46] <jebuskrist> proxie: perhaps