[00:22] <Murple> I'm having trouble installing lubuntu 12.10 on an old Mac PowerPC G5. The standard installation CD would not boot correctly, the alternative installation CD boots just fine. The problem is I need to modify the OSX partition and create space for a Linux partition. I don't think I can use the built-in Disk Utility of OSX to change the size of the partition it is running from, I need to boot from a CD and partition from there.
[00:25] <Murple> I think I finally figured out how I can partition from the lubuntu alternate installation CD....
[00:29] <Murple> "Not yet implemented! Support for checking hfs+ file systems is not implemented yet." If that's the case, what are my options???
[00:31] <Murple> Another question, is it possible to try lubuntu from the alternate installation CD?
[00:43] <semitone1> also, is it possible and advisable to install lubuntu 12.10 over an existing copy of ubuntu 12.04, to keep the home directory but renew everything else?
[00:52] <Murple> semitone1: I'm far from an expert on this. But wouldn't it be an option to 1. Upgrade ubuntu 12.04 to ubuntu 12.10 normally. 2. Install lxde and whatever other programs that you want from a standard lubuntu installation?
[02:36] <semitone1> I could, but my ubuntu 12.04 has a lot of cruft
[02:36] <semitone1> like, it doesn't even do graphical boot
[02:37] <semitone1> I installed lubuntu on a spare partition though and it works beautifully, so I'd like to install it overtop my main ubuntu partition, but keep my music, settings, etc.
[04:00] <jt1976> I have a question that has been bugging me for quite sometime
[04:01] <jt1976> can anyone tell me why my screen goes dim (not completly black), and my computer freezes up for a second or two?
[04:02] <holstein> bad hardware? bad graphics driver support?
[04:02] <jt1976> Is there any way to tell? and if so, is there a way to fix it?
[04:03] <holstein> i would disable any screen sleeping and/or dimming... i would consider trying a proprietary graphics driver if one is available
[04:03] <holstein> jt1976: its its bad hardware, you just fix or replace it.. if its a driver support issue, nothing is really broken, so you can only work around with one of the above suggestions potentially
[04:04] <jt1976> i have disabled the screen sleeping
[04:04] <holstein> jt1976: i would search "ubuntu graphics card model #" and see what the forums have to say
[04:04] <holstein> jt1976: then, when does the screen dim? and how?
[04:05] <jt1976> it has been getting worse the past few weeks, and seems to be worse when trying to watch youtube, and when first logging on to any sight
[04:05] <jt1976> the screen dims when the page is either loading or refreshed
[04:06] <jt1976> that is when it freezes
[04:07] <holstein> so, just in the browser then?
[04:07] <jt1976> i have an e machine and use ubuntu 12.04
[04:07] <holstein> jt1976: i would search the graphics chip
[04:07] <jt1976> idk if it is or not
[04:07] <jt1976> how do i do that?
[04:07] <holstein> jt1976: i would try and narrow down what causes it to happen
[04:08] <holstein> jt1976: i would determine what graphics hardware you have
[04:08] <jt1976> i know i sound like a moron but i have no idea how to check that
[04:09] <holstein> jt1976: you dont sound like a moron... just let me know which you would like to check
[04:09] <holstein> what graphics card you have?
[04:09] <holstein> i open a terminal and run "lspci"
[04:10] <holstein> you can install a gui called hardinfo
[04:10] <jt1976> i have no idea what is on this computer as it was given to me by a friend
[04:11] <holstein> jt1976: i would download and install lubuntu 12.04 or 12.10, and see if you still have any issues
[04:12] <holstein> jt1976: sometimes its easier to just start fresh than troubleshoot a bunch of unknowns
[04:12] <jt1976> this is what showed up on my terminal
[04:12] <jt1976> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01) 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #
[04:13] <holstein> !pastebin | jt1976
[04:13] <holstein> jt1976: since that got cut off
[04:14] <holstein> jt1976: you should see something in the list that says 'graphics"
[04:14] <holstein> jt1976: OR, install hardinfo and check there
[04:14] <holstein> i would suggest just starting over fresh.. it'll take less than 10 minutes to install
[04:15] <jt1976> i posted it  on paste.ubuntu.com
[04:15] <holstein> jt1976: cool. share the link with me and i'll look
[04:15] <jt1976> the only reason i dont want to start fresh is because it may be something i did
[04:15] <holstein> though, i would just stop bothering with troubleshooting and fresh install
[04:15] <jt1976> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1366771/
[04:16] <jt1976> if it is something i did i really dont want to do it again
[04:17] <holstein> jt1976: sure.. you can always just reinstall again, til you sort out what you are doing
[04:17] <holstein> jt1976: if it was working fine, and it broke, its likely something you did
[04:17] <holstein> jt1976: you can fire up a live CD and test.. if its fine from the live CD, it could be something you did
[04:17] <jt1976> i have googled the problem and it keeps putting links to anti virus sites
[04:18] <holstein> jt1976: it?
[04:18] <jt1976> the only cd i have is 10.04
[04:18] <holstein> jt1976: google?..
[04:18] <holstein> jt1976: i would download 12.04 or 12.10 and fresh install
[04:18] <holstein> jt1976: you can fool about for hours and still not know what you or whoever installed that system broke
[04:19] <jt1976> will it save my bookmarks if i do
[04:19] <holstein> jt1976: it wont do anything.. you can save what you like
[04:19] <holstein> jt1976: i would sync them.. or back up /home... or export the bookmarks.. whatever you feel comfortable doing
[04:19] <jt1976> where is the best site to get 12.10?
[04:19] <holstein> jt1976: the main one
[04:20] <jt1976> i have no idea how to do any of that stuff
[04:20] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[04:20] <holstein> jt1976: what stuff?
[04:20] <holstein> jt1976: install an operating system? or download?
[04:21] <jt1976> no, sync or back them up
[04:21] <holstein> jt1976: you will need to back up something sometime.. i urge you to just pretend the hard drive failed.. what will you do then?
[04:21] <holstein> jt1976: all hard drives fail and you will lose the data
[04:22] <holstein> jt1976: if you want your bookmarks, you can grab them from the /home folder.. use a syncing service... or export them
[04:22] <jt1976> i installed this os and i love it except this one little problem
[04:22] <holstein> jt1976: you can always test as a new user
[04:22] <holstein> jt1976: you can try booting an earlier kernel
[04:23] <holstein> jt1976: i assure you, most troubleshooting steps for what i think your issue is will likely be more invovled than backing up bookmarks
[04:23] <jt1976> i have ran my 10.04 disk beside what i have now and it didn't mess up
[04:23] <holstein> jt1976: cool.. so you can assume its either an upgrade to 10.04, or a config
[04:24] <holstein> jt1976: you can try booting an earlier kernel.. you can try making a new user
[04:24] <holstein> jt1976: what would i do? download 12.10.. burn it.. boot it live.. install
[04:24] <jt1976> i guess i could just write down the websites and replace them later
[04:24] <holstein> jt1976: you can export the bookmarks
[04:24] <holstein> jt1976: you can save them in a sync service
[04:24] <holstein> jt1976: all of that information *will* get lost when that hard drive *does* fail
[04:24] <jt1976> i have no discs to put it on at the moment
[04:25] <holstein> jt1976: sure.. there are online sync options... dropbox.. ubuntu one... etc
[04:25] <holstein> jt1976: there are bookmark sync options in most of the browsers.. native or with plugins
[04:27] <holstein> jt1976: i can also link you how-to's if you tell me what browser you are using
[04:27] <jt1976> firefox
[04:29] <holstein> xmarks is the one i used years ago when i used firefox
[04:29] <holstein> heres how you export http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/export-firefox-bookmarks-to-backup-or-transfer .. you pretty much hit export in the menu
[04:29] <holstein> http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-sync-take-your-bookmarks-and-tabs-with-you is the new way AFAI
[04:29] <jt1976> what is xmarks?
[04:29] <holstein> K
[04:30] <holstein> jt1976: xmarks is an old way of syncing bookmarks
[04:30] <jt1976> oh ok
[04:30] <holstein> jt1976: firefox sync (which is integrated with firefox now AFAIK) is the new way to do that
[04:30] <holstein> jt1976: you just sync them.. online.. through ff
[04:31] <holstein> then sync and come back in on other machines.. other installs.. whatever
[04:31] <holstein> OR, you use xmarks.. OR export and sync where ever, and inport into whatever machine or install
[04:32] <jt1976> i think i'll just try a fresh install
[04:32] <holstein> jt1976: i do it through chrome the same way.. i dont "backup my bookmarks" they are jusy synced up
[04:32] <holstein> jt1976: also, that is backed up for me... and im not worried about the security, otherwise, i would do it on my own with something like owncloud
[04:33] <holstein> jt1976: 10.04 is EOL in april
[04:33] <jt1976> i am trying to learn all of this stuff but it seems as if there is a lot to learn
[04:34] <holstein> bookmark sync is pretty standard for modern browsers.. and you'll need to learn to backup at some point
[04:34] <holstein> well.. you will want to when you lose data when that hard drive fails.. they all do
[04:35] <jt1976> i really don't keep anything on this computer, just watch tv and movies on it
[04:36] <holstein> jt1976: you are interested in having your bookmarks.. apparently
[04:37] <jt1976> just because i had a hard time remembering them when i started using this computer
[04:38] <holstein> jt1976: im just saying, you will lose that info, and it literally wont hurt to think about what you want backed up and back that up
[04:40] <jt1976> i am syncing them right now
[04:42] <jt1976> almost done
[04:44] <jt1976> i am downloading 12.10 now. do i need to put it on a disc or can i install it without making a disc?
[04:44] <holstein> i use USB sticks with unetbooting
[04:44] <holstein> unetbootin
[04:45] <jt1976> don't have any usb sticks or any other storage items
[04:47] <jt1976> i am just going to start with a fresh install, thank you very much for helping me
[05:34] <sovos> hello everybody, I'm having an issue installing Lubuntu on my laptop: I tried both via cd, dvd and usb (checking from the menu that the file were correct): the installation freezes after asking to connect to internet (I tried both ethernet and wireless). If I quit the menu the live version is working fine, but then again I can't get trough that passage (the computer starts loading something, but then everything stops, without the scree
[05:35] <sovos> is this a known issue? any suggested way around? I tried unetbootin with net version, but doesn't seem to work either (screen goes blank in the beginning)
[06:03] <userZ> what if lubuntu livecd doesnt automatically configure internet connection?
[06:04] <bioterror> sovos, take the alternate
[06:49] <sovos> I'll try the alternate install, thanks!
[06:50] <bioterror> you're welcome
[07:41] <dgmurcok> help i me get back the tool bar on bottom pleas
[07:41] <dgmurcok> i actandley deleted the hole thing
[07:41] <dgmurcok> i becse iwas trying to fix it
[07:42] <dgmurcok> i remove the start botton
[07:42] <dgmurcok> please help
[07:42] <dgmurcok> kind need it fix fast
[07:42] <dgmurcok> i have to get work papper done
[07:42] <bioterror> :D
[07:42] <dgmurcok> for tomarro
[07:42] <dgmurcok> that dose not help
[07:42] <dgmurcok> how do i fix it
[07:42] <dgmurcok> is there a command
[07:42] <dgmurcok> i can use
[07:43] <dgmurcok> to fix it
[07:43] <bioterror> what did you do?
[07:43] <dgmurcok> removed the bottom bar
[07:43] <dgmurcok> the the whole thing
[07:43] <dgmurcok> i dont see it snw more
[07:43] <bioterror> alt+f2
[07:44] <bioterror> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[07:44] <dgmurcok> says ubuntu 12 accountered a interneal error
[07:50] <DGMurdock> frose up
[07:50] <DGMurdock> froze up
[07:50] <DGMurdock> what was the command you wanted me to try
[07:50] <bioterror> Sun09:44 <bioterror> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[07:51] <bioterror> run it from the terminal
[07:51] <DGMurdock> There is already an instance of LXPanel.  Now to exit
[07:51] <bioterror> that's good?
[07:52] <DGMurdock> i dont see any thing on it
[07:52] <DGMurdock> i want it back to defult
[07:52] <bioterror> in terminall: killall lxpanel
[07:52] <bioterror> and run that command
[07:52] <DGMurdock> ok
[07:52] <DGMurdock> now what
[07:54] <DGMurdock> lxpanel --profile Lubuntu
[07:54] <DGMurdock> did not work
[07:54] <bioterror> explain
[07:54] <DGMurdock> only brought back a gray bar at bottom
[07:54] <bioterror> that's good
[07:54] <DGMurdock> no
[07:54] <bioterror> yes
[07:54] <DGMurdock> not good
[07:54] <bioterror> cd .config
[07:54] <bioterror> rm -rf lxpanel
[07:54] <bioterror> logout and log back in
[07:55] <DGMurdock>  how do i open the terminal
[07:55] <DGMurdock> with out the menu
[07:56] <bioterror> windows + t
[07:56] <DGMurdock> i had to close it it was stuck on the last command
[07:56] <DGMurdock> not working
[07:56] <bioterror> alt+f2
[07:56] <bioterror> and type: lxterminal
[07:56] <DGMurdock> fucking chrome
[07:57] <DGMurdock> none of those work now
[07:57] <bioterror> ofcourse
[07:57] <bioterror> without panel you dont get alt+f2
[07:57] <bioterror> hahahaha
[07:57] <DGMurdock> pe
[07:57] <DGMurdock> tryed
[07:57] <DGMurdock> nothing
[07:57] <bioterror> well
[07:57] <bioterror> alt+f1
[07:58] <bioterror> login
[07:58] <bioterror> from the tty
[07:58] <bioterror> and after removing the ~/.config/lxpanel  restart LightDM with sudo service lightdm restart
[07:58] <DGMurdock> can you give me a deb for teamviewer and do it for me
[07:59] <bioterror> nope
[07:59] <bioterror> it's time to cut the umbilical cord
[07:59] <DGMurdock> you need to see what im seing
[07:59] <bioterror> I dont
[07:59] <DGMurdock> no
[07:59] <DGMurdock> fuck u
[07:59] <bioterror> thanks
[07:59] <bioterror> now you can behave
[07:59] <bioterror> or you can leave
[07:59] <DGMurdock> i hat3e people who are so rude
[07:59] <bioterror> I'm not rude
[07:59] <DGMurdock> i will not give up
[07:59] <bioterror> I instructed what to do
[08:00] <DGMurdock> it jnot working
[08:00] <bioterror> and I dont use teamviewer nor I dont have anykind of interest to connect to your computer
[08:00] <DGMurdock> what dont you get
[08:00] <bioterror> you go to tty with ctrl+alt+f1
[08:00] <bioterror> and you login
[08:00] <bioterror> and you do cd .config
[08:00] <bioterror> rm -rf lxpanel
[08:00] <bioterror> sudo service lightdm restart
[08:00] <bioterror> and you press alt+f7 to return back to X11
[14:10] <taiga> hello
[14:10] <taiga> i need help with lubuntu, is this channel the right place to ask?
[14:19] <leoquant> taiga yes
[14:19] <taiga> livecd doesn't boot, complains about pae
[14:23] <leoquant> taiga pae is a kernel
[14:23] <leoquant> what type of live cd did/do you use
[14:23] <taiga> lubuntu
[14:24] <leoquant> 32bit/64bit/alternate?
[14:24] <taiga> umm... from the website
[14:24] <taiga> 32bit
[14:24] <taiga> i have a pentium m so i wanted 32bit, right?
[14:24] <leoquant> ok
[14:24] <leoquant> what is the exact error message taiga ?
[14:25] <taiga> This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU:
[14:25] <taiga> pae
[14:25] <taiga> Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.
[14:26] <taiga> but i wasn't using a custom kernel, just tried to boot from a livecd
[14:26] <taiga> srsly
[14:27] <leoquant> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2003433 shows the story of yours, but i should try the alternate cd
[14:28] <leoquant> The alternate install CD allows you to perform certain specialist installations of Lubuntu.
[14:29] <taiga> i wanted to try lubuntu first
[14:29] <leoquant> so i should try the alternate cd/set-up
[14:29] <taiga> in case i'd get freezes i'd not install it
[14:29] <taiga> that computer isn't very reliable
[14:30] <leoquant> ok
[14:30] <leoquant> thats all i can do for you at this moment taiga
[14:31] <taiga> do you know any other distros that use lubuntu desktop?
[14:34] <leoquant> ldex?
[14:34] <leoquant> no
[14:34] <leoquant> but puppy is a very "light" envir.
[14:35] <leoquant> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_Linux_distribution
[14:36] <leoquant> LXDE *
[14:36] <bioterror> taiga, you have to use 12.04
[14:36] <bioterror> taiga, your CPU doesnt support PAE extension, so grab lubuntu 12.04 and use it
[14:37] <bioterror> taiga, I have a IBM Thinkpad T42 with 1.7GHz Pentium M too, which doesnt have PAE support
[14:37] <taiga> pae extension would be unnecessary with that computer, it has 700MB ram
[14:37] <bioterror> yes
[14:37] <bioterror> but still
[14:37] <bioterror> that's the case
[14:37] <bioterror> 12.04 works, 12.10 no
[14:38] <taiga> so i have to install 12.04 and then upgrade it to 12.10, right?
[14:38] <bioterror> no
[14:38] <taiga> i lost you
[14:40] <taiga> ah, i should skip the 12.10 and install the next version when it becomes available?
[14:40] <bioterror> stick with 12.04
[14:40] <taiga> :(
[14:41] <taiga> but just the kernel is broken, right? can i use the mainline kernel from kernel.org?
[14:41] <bioterror> kernel is not broken
[14:42] <bioterror> your hardware is just
[14:42] <bioterror> find a suitable word yourself ;)
[14:43] <taiga> it is weird that it runs on a pentium pro but not on pentium m
[14:43] <taiga> at least it did last year
[14:43] <bioterror> did you last year use 12.10's kernel?
[14:43] <taiga> obviously i couldn't
[14:44] <bioterror> honestly, this is not a rocket science
[14:44] <bioterror> 12.04 comes with kernel that does not require CPU to support PAE
[14:44] <bioterror> 12.10 comes with kernel that requires CPU that supports PAE
[14:44] <taiga> but why
[14:45] <bioterror> it's not that easy to maintain certain kernels
[14:45] <taiga> guess i wouldn't understand your answer anyway
[14:45] <bioterror> decissions needs to be made
[14:46] <bioterror> and 12.04 gets 5 years of support
[14:46] <bioterror> it means that it will be supported until 17.04
[14:46] <leoquant> on lubuntu bioterror ?
[14:46] <taiga> not lubuntu, i checked
[14:46] <bioterror> leoquant, LXDE components wont get support. but the ubuntu core parts does
[14:46] <bioterror> that includes kernel
[14:46] <leoquant> lubuntu has no lts/5 years support
[14:47] <leoquant> ok thats new to me thx
[14:47] <taiga> whatever should i use then? except for 12.04 which is from april
[14:47] <bioterror> but that still gives your ~10 years old hardware couple of year more life time
[14:47] <leoquant> indeed
[14:47] <bioterror> taiga, some companies uses Windows XP, and it's from year 2001
[14:48] <bioterror> what does it mean that it's about 6 months old?
[14:48] <bioterror> can you point me a reason why you need the 12.10 and not 12.04?
[14:48] <taiga> i was using server 2003 but it doesn't understand badram kernel parameter, again quite obviously, sigh
[14:49] <taiga> well, when i first tried ubuntu i asked if i should use LTS or the latest and they replied with "always use the latest" so i'm going with that
[14:49] <taiga> i'm not a programmer or anything
[14:50] <leoquant> "always use the latest" is in your case not tyhe obvious way to go taiga
[14:50] <bioterror> "use the one that works" is now your case
[14:50] <leoquant> *-y
[14:51] <leoquant> give it try i would suggest ツ
[14:51] <leoquant> (12.04)
[14:55] <iluminameluna> I'm running "some" version of lubuntu, which I had to upgrade from the Synaptic Pkg Mgr 'cause the Update Mgr, after I clicked Ok to accept the upgrade to 12.04, wouldn't do it. Kept giving me the msg that I needed to do only a partial upgrade. In any case, the issue I have now is that despite having 2g of RAM on my Asus Eee pc 901, & plenty of room on all my partitions on which the files are installed, my Chromium crashes co
[14:57] <taiga> thank you, i feel more confident in running 12.04 now, if only for a few years, then i'll switch to puppy linux or something ridiculous :\
[14:58] <iluminameluna> Taiga: Puppy OS' are actually pretty good if you want something even more lightwt than *buntu-based OSs
[14:59] <taiga> i'd imagine i'd have to compile stuff there though
[14:59] <iluminameluna> I run Wary on my Netbook & it's really fast to load & manage. My issue right now, I think, is hardware-based but I'm moving away from Lubuntu 'cause it's gotten too big even for my netbook
[14:59] <bioterror> taiga, or just recycle that horrible piece of ancient x86 technology
[15:00] <bioterror> C2D's are already given away for free from companies
[15:00] <iluminameluna> depends on what apps you run
[15:00] <taiga> how can you "recycle" an old computer anyway
[15:00] <taiga> it's not like it's a plastic bottle
[15:00] <iluminameluna> C2Ds?, bioterror, what are those?
[15:00] <bioterror> iluminameluna, Core 2 Duo
[15:01] <bioterror> taiga, we have recycle places where they scavenge all the good pieces from it and disposes them properly
[15:01] <iluminameluna> AH .. Taiga, the Puppy OS are available for lots of variations of old, single core, machines
[15:01] <taiga> a core2duo doesn't fit into my motherboard
[15:02] <taiga> i'd imagine 1 of the RAM sticks and the hard drive work flawlessly, otherwise it's powered by faith
[15:02] <taiga> but laptops are expensive, as you know
[15:03] <iluminameluna> I run a 2004-made Dell Opti-Plex that doesn't even have a CD-rw drive in it. I run dual-boot Win XP & Wary (Win for my god-daughter who uses it for school (8th grade), & Wary for me. The machine has a Pent 4 w/ 2.4GHz cpu & an 80G HD I forced into the slot. Just millimeters too big for the slot but it works
[15:04] <taiga> what is wary?
[15:04] <iluminameluna> I stuck 2 512M Ram sticks & 1 1g one (it does have 4 slots for a max total of 3g of Ram) & it works flawlessly
[15:05] <iluminameluna> taiga: a "flavor" of Puppy, there's several, depending on what you want to do w/ your machine.
[15:05] <taiga> your computer is so much better than a 1.3GHz pentium M damaged by overclocking
[15:06] <iluminameluna> I don't game or use CPU-intensive apps, just surfing & word-processing mostly. Some Open Office projects are done on it by my g-daughter ...
[15:06] <bioterror> 1.3GHz Pentium M = slooow
[15:06] <bioterror> even my 1.7GHz one is unusable
[15:06] <iluminameluna> still .. some kinds of Puppy don't need more than 64M of Ram & will even work w/ PII machines
[15:07] <taiga> it's actually 1.4GHz but that's worse than 1.3GHz because of cache and whatnot, it's just slower in effect
[15:07] <iluminameluna> again, it depends on what you load on it .. if you do a lot of loading of pictures & flash-intensive games are played on them, no it won't work
[15:08] <taiga> i'd like to play Heroes 3 there, that's why i kept windows on it
[15:10] <iluminameluna> don't know that game but if it lags, most likely is either the lack of video processing (the gp card, if it has one) or enough RAM from which to share video memory
[15:11] <iluminameluna> how much Ram do you have on it?
[15:11] <taiga> 700M
[15:11] <taiga> and no.. it's a game from pentium pro
[15:12] <iluminameluna> sounds like you should b doing fine .. so why are u installing a linux-based OS on it?
[15:13] <taiga> bad ram
[15:13] <iluminameluna> so, no one here can help me w/ my grubloader issue?
[15:13] <taiga> what's with your grub?
[15:13] <iluminameluna> Ah .. where are you? Asking 'cause RAm is pretty cheap for older machines in the States
[15:13] <taiga> slovakia
[15:14] <taiga> it costs like 5€ here
[15:14] <taiga> which i consider too much
[15:14] <iluminameluna> I THINK I need to install a grub to one of my partitions in order to be able to load a Wary puppy I've installed to one of my SSDs
[15:15] <taiga> why not install it to mbr
[15:15] <iluminameluna> ah .. well, I just paid $15 for 2g of Ram for my netbook .. how much do you get for those EU5?
[15:15] <taiga> 256M
[15:15] <iluminameluna> I don't know how to do it from Lubuntu
[15:16] <taiga> i knew how to do it from grub-legacy
[15:16] <iluminameluna> oh wow .. yeah, I'd say that's too much too ... darn, if my chromium wld just behave I'd go see how much it would cost here .. how much are you looking to install?
[15:16] <iluminameluna> is that an app?
[15:17] <taiga> it's an older grub version, kind of
[15:17] <iluminameluna> right, I know what a legacy version of grub is but I don't know what to do to install it while in Lubuntu
[15:18] <iluminameluna> I have all the info but don't know what to do with it, basically
[15:18] <taiga> try something like this:
[15:18] <taiga> sudo grub2-install --recheck --root-directory=/ /dev/sda
[15:18] <taiga> not /dev/sda1 or something
[15:20] <iluminameluna> right, to the disk itself, not a partition of it ..
[15:20] <taiga> yes
[15:21] <iluminameluna> and all those dashes? .. those are typed into the command line?
[15:21] <taiga> yes
[15:21] <iluminameluna> OH .. those are the Minus signs not dashes, right?
[15:21] <iluminameluna> so there's a space before each Minus sign?
[15:21] <taiga> those are the same in terminal
[15:22] <taiga> -- are right next to each other
[15:22] <iluminameluna> right ..
[15:24] <iluminameluna> oh, wait .. "install, space,-recheck,space,-root-directory ..."?
[15:24] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[15:24] <TheLordOfTime> the command as taiga typed it is what you need to type
[15:26] <TheLordOfTime> sudo SPACE grub2 DASH install SPACE DASH DASH recheck SPACE DASH DASH root DASH directory EQUALS / SPACE /dev/sda
[15:26] <iluminameluna> TheLordOfTime: I just want to make sure I get it right .. I'm messing w/ stuff I'm not familiar with & have some cognition issues due to Lupus .. so I apologize for sounding like a total dummy ...
[15:26]  * TheLordOfTime ignores the last comment as a comment on it would end up as condescending since he hasnt had coffee yet.
[15:26] <iluminameluna> dbl dashes! AH .. ok .. NOW I get it!
[15:27] <bioterror> it's good to ask, we had couple of days ago a guy who had run "sudo chmod 666 / sys/" ;)
[15:27] <iluminameluna> hahahaha! Me either, TLOT
[15:27] <TheLordOfTime> bioterror, i had someone do a recursive chmod777 on their root directory.  it was multiuser so i was like "you need to be slapped"
[15:27] <TheLordOfTime> s/had/saw/
[15:28] <bioterror> this was funny case, he had used chromes translate on spanish or portuguese site
[15:28] <iluminameluna> OH NO ... Ok .. no, it's only my netbook & I'd NEVER do something unless I'd dbl-triple & quad chk'd it! but oh dear ..
[15:28] <bioterror> and it was /sys/..., but when it was translated to english, the translator made it to / sys/... ;)
[15:28] <bioterror> and he just copy & pasted that
[15:29] <iluminameluna> still, it's my only comp w/ internet access at the moment. My "real" machine is in El Salvador while I'm in the States. I just HAVE TO fix this!
[15:29] <iluminameluna> *sigh*
[15:30] <iluminameluna> & TLOT, be as condescending as you like, I have a thick skin, plus, I
[15:30] <iluminameluna> I'm sitting/reclining on my rolled up carpet in my room writing what I need to on a notebook I made w/ some scrap paper & a toilet roll ...
[15:31] <TheLordOfTime> being condescending is against the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[15:31] <TheLordOfTime> !CoC
[15:31] <iluminameluna> at least my pencil is mechanical ..
[15:31] <TheLordOfTime> as an Ubuntu member i follow that as much as I can :)
[15:31]  * TheLordOfTime yawns as he realizes he smells coffee
[15:31] <TheLordOfTime> :O
[15:31] <iluminameluna> =D
[15:31] <TheLordOfTime> C O F F E E !!!!!!!!!
[15:31] <iluminameluna> LUCKY MAN
[15:32] <iluminameluna> I gotta go nuke some water & use instant but only if I hear signs of life from living room. Have to traverse it to get to kitchen & my son & his wife are sleeping there .. I don't wanna see something that I can't then UNsee .. if you get my drift
[15:33] <iluminameluna> ok .. will go attempt to install a legacy grub to sda
[15:33] <iluminameluna> bbiab
[15:35] <iluminameluna> *sigh* .. here's what I got when I typed in the above: jessie@MumsieNetbook:~$ sudo grub2-install --recheck --root-directory=/ /dev/sda[sudo] password for jessie:
[15:35] <iluminameluna> sudo: grub2-install: command not found
[15:37] <iluminameluna> is grub4dos another installation app for grub like grub2-install?
[15:38] <tsimpson> it's "grub-install"
[15:38] <TheLordOfTime> ah right, grub-install
[15:38]  * TheLordOfTime has grub2-install aliased :P
[15:38] <iluminameluna> no 2?
[15:38] <tsimpson> no 2
[15:38] <iluminameluna> kk .. bbiab again
[15:39] <iluminameluna> ok .. wow .. it said installation finished. No error reported ..
[15:40] <taiga> glad to hear
[15:40] <iluminameluna> so, I'm gonna cross mah fingers & reboot & if I don't come back, it didn't work ..
[15:43] <iluminameluna> I'm back but it didn't work ..
[15:45] <iluminameluna> ok, if I'm dual-booting from sda but I have the Puppy OS on one partition & Lubuntu on another, by installing the grub to just the MBR of sda, wldn't I be just making it find the first /boot it found? Wldn't I have to point the grub to find that 2nd /boot too by indicating in which partition it's located?
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> if you were doing that, i'd have made a /boot partition on your drive
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> separate from the others
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> and in config time configure /boot to be in that partition (for both OSes)
[15:46] <TheLordOfTime> i know, advanced partitioning, but...
[15:47] <iluminameluna> so ONE /boot for BOTH OSs?
[15:47] <TheLordOfTime> that'd have been my go, but usually i'm not dualbooting two linuxes :P
[15:47] <iluminameluna> yeah, most posts in most forums assume you're booting win & a linux os ..
[15:48] <iluminameluna> wldn't I have to mess with each /boot's file?
[15:48] <iluminameluna> I haven't done that since DOS 3.1
[15:48] <iluminameluna> & I don't remember that too well
[15:49] <iluminameluna> init files, yes; boot files, no
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> i meant at install time :P
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> but again, that's not the case here
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... oops i broke my server
[15:49] <TheLordOfTime> ... which means my networking'll die shortly... *fixes*
[15:49] <iluminameluna> huh?!
[15:50]  * TheLordOfTime shifts his attention to fixing networking
[15:50] <iluminameluna> I'll wait ..
[15:51] <taiga> why aren't you using chainloader then
[15:51] <taiga> you can install grub multiple times that way
[15:52]  * TheLordOfTime returns
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> okay, so apparently what died was the router, but i keep spares :P
[15:52] <iluminameluna> I've read a tutorial but it's still Greek to me .. how do you use "chainloader"
[15:52] <iluminameluna> you lost a router, LOTL?
[15:53] <iluminameluna> O,O
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> *shrugs* i keep spares around :P
[15:53] <iluminameluna> where r YOU?
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> secretlocation
[15:54] <iluminameluna> I keep spares at home but not of routers .. .. paranoid geek, huh? :D
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> actually IT technician, but...
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> i bought spares because 3-year-old routers means they might die at any time
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> especially consumer-grade
[15:54] <iluminameluna> so's my older son but like the guy married to the stripper, can't get some at home ...
[15:54]  * TheLordOfTime has enterprise-grade replacements
[15:55] <iluminameluna> e/ time I ask him for help all I get is silence ..
[15:55] <iluminameluna> anyways .. so how do I use "chainloader"?
[15:57] <iluminameluna> if I can get some kind of performance from either of my OS's, I'll buy taiga some Ram :D
[15:58] <iluminameluna> I'll go mad if I can't get some action here
[15:59] <taiga> iluminameluna, you got into the grub menu, right?
[15:59] <iluminameluna> & the reason I'm asking all these questions you'd think I cld just go Google it's 'cause my browser, Chromium, keeps crashing. It used to be w 3 tabs open, now it's w 2. & just ONE tab open still takes abt 3 minutes to load a page
[16:01] <iluminameluna> no menu, I typed in the command you gave me, taiga, & then it said installation finished, no errors reported but then, when I rebooted, that 2nd /boot (belonging to the Puppy OS), never showed up
[16:01] <taiga> what did show up
[16:01] <iluminameluna> only boot option I had was the 2 SSDs & a USB drive I have permanently plugged in w /home
[16:02] <iluminameluna> Asus Master SSD, Asus Slave SSD, Kingston KD (the /home drive)
[16:17] <G__81> i  am using Lubuntu 12.10 (64 bit version). I see sometimes Alt+F2 showing up the Run dialog box but sometimes it does not show up. Can some one help me with a solution ?
[16:20] <iluminameluna> I think I'm the only one here, G_81, & I'm a relative noob w/ an old netbook
[16:20] <iluminameluna> sorry ..
[16:21] <G__81> iluminameluna, are you facing the same problem ?
[16:22] <iluminameluna> no, I
[16:22] <iluminameluna> I'm running 12.04, 32 bit
[16:22] <TheLordOfTime> you're not the only one here
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> but did anyone pull the patience factoid yet?
[16:23] <TheLordOfTime> !patience
[16:25] <iluminameluna> hahahaha!!!
[16:26] <iluminameluna> ok, I stand corrected, I'm NOT the only one here which means no one has an answer, perhaps, to either of our questions, G_81 ;-D
[16:28] <TheLordOfTime> or
[16:28] <TheLordOfTime> you need a ton of patience
[16:28] <TheLordOfTime> answers from the chats are not instant
[16:28] <TheLordOfTime> you need to wait a while sometimes :)
[16:28] <G__81> TheLordOfTime, The problem is that lxpanelctl fails to respond to keyboard short cuts and it neither responds when i try starting it from keyboard like "lxpanelctl run"
[16:28] <TheLordOfTime> i didnt say i had an answer for you :)
[16:28]  * TheLordOfTime returns to fixing his computer
[16:50] <searching> In /usr/share/app-install/desktop/fglrx-driver.desktop say Name=ATI binary X.Org driver
[16:50] <searching> but I have intel
[17:33] <mistaknly> How do I start ssh
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> mistaknly, define "start ssh"
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> do you mean how to set it up so you can ssh into your computer?
[17:35] <TheLordOfTime> or how to connect to another computer via SSH?
[17:35] <mistaknly> ssh from w7 to the lubuntu live cd machine
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> why're you on a live CD environment?
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> why not install Lubuntu to the machine?
[17:36] <mistaknly> I'm trying lds, ubuntu, lubuntu, fedora, knoppix ..... etc
[17:36] <TheLordOfTime> if you're in a Live CD environment you won't have SSH if you reboot
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> so its kinda pointless
[17:37] <mistaknly> That's ok, I got x11vnc going fine
[17:37] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> but it'll go away when you reboot
[17:37] <TheLordOfTime> unless you have it on a USB with persistence
[17:37] <bioterror> it's not there by default
[17:38] <mistaknly> ok
[17:38] <mistaknly> Is there a way to setup shares from the lubuntu machine to windows
[17:39] <bioterror> samba
[17:39] <bioterror> nfs
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> samba primarily
[17:39] <mistaknly> do i apt-get samba?
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> you'd have to spend time configuring it
[17:39] <TheLordOfTime> its not an out-of-the-box thing unlike ssh servers
[17:39] <bioterror> nfs is even less :D
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> neither are out-of-the-box solutions, they both require configuration :p
[17:40] <mistaknly> I used to be able to run samba in the old days....(cane rattles and falls to floor..)
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> and your live environment if you're just on the CD won't save the configs when you reboot
[17:40] <TheLordOfTime> as i've said repeatedly :P
[17:40] <mistaknly> I can save to usb
[17:42] <mistaknly> ok i found it. now i just have to learn how to use it (again..)
[17:42] <mistaknly> So you think I should install this instead of knoppix?
[17:43] <mistaknly> I running 1.0 Ghz with 512MB mem
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> Lubuntu's light enough to run there :P
[17:46] <Coldrush> I've got lubuntu 12.10 up and running on a CR-48, what can I use to map the media keys?  I tried keytouch but it does not recognize the board.
[17:48] <mistaknly> TheLordOfTime, ok thx
[18:29] <Ahmuck> hi
[18:29] <Ahmuck> i would like to remove abiword and gnumeric
[18:29] <Ahmuck> but it wants to remove lubuntu-desktop as well.  is there a way around this?
[18:31] <bioterror> no, there's no way around
[18:57] <Ahmuck> if i uninstall abiword and then re-install lubuntu desktop i still get abiword back?
[19:00] <Ahmuck> why the intergration of apps into the os?
[19:14] <bioterror> Ahmuck, try
[19:15] <Ahmuck> nm, i dumped gnumeric, abiword.
[19:15] <Ahmuck> for some reason the gnumeric icon never gets removed
[19:15] <Ahmuck> but
[19:15] <Ahmuck> er bug
[19:25] <WebmasterTD> Hello
[19:26] <WebmasterTD> Today I installed lubuntu 12.10 on an Asus Eee pc. It works fine but I cant find any good/fast solution to add proxies to network and disable them when needed.
[21:13] <Guest44748> I need some help geting my tablet working in lubuntu. I've tried these forum instructions but all the posts they reference say I do not have permission to view (attachments) what can I do? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4972622
[21:14] <ColdRush> Can someone help me with activating trim in my fstab?  I'm not familiar with the format and really want to make sure it's correct


[00:22] <jannerone> holy sh*t elitism was keeping me away from xubuntu instead using debian but its like use the right tool for the right job there is a reason barely anyone uses raw debian as a desktop you can do it but its more work
[00:23] <jannerone> its actually easier for me to secure apps using xbubuntu e.g. snaps, firejail, apparmor w/ the profiles instead of aa-genprof in debian etc..
[00:30] <xu-irc93w83> Just joined. Am a I missing something or is this supposd to be an empty chat window?
[04:23] <Unit193> Use whatever tool works best I'd say...
[12:21] <teranex> Hi! I upgraded my GDP P2 Max to Xubuntu 23.04 and it seems I'm running into the screensaver unlock dialog crash issue as mentioned in the known issues. However, eventhough the news item mentions it's possible to unlock the session, that doesn't seem to be the case for me as the dialog keeps crashing. Sometimes I can see it for just a fraction of a
[12:21] <teranex> second.
[12:22] <teranex> Also, the news item mentions LP: #2012795, but that leads to a 404
[12:24] <teranex> In the hopes to work around this issue for now I tried setting i3lock as my screenlocker using `xfconf-query -c xfce4-session -p /general/LockCommand -t string -s i3lock --create`. This worked when I manually lock my laptop with `ctrl+alt+l`. But when I suspend the laptop it still uses the default, crashing, xfce4-screensaver, so after a suspend I
[12:24] <teranex> can not unlock the laptop anymore


[03:02] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:36] <XuzhouJim> OK, here we go.
[03:37] <XuzhouJim> Or not.
[03:37] <XuzhouJim> Hmm, seems no one's here.
[03:49] <sbalneav> Hello
[03:49] <sbalneav> Sorry, just working on something on another screen.
[14:32] <joerg> sbalneav, hey..... where do I put that blueprint? :)
[14:48] <sbalneav> joerg: On launchpad.net
[14:49] <sbalneav> under the blueprints section
[14:49] <joerg> sbalneav, yeah, I know
[14:49] <joerg> sbalneav, to the ubuntu project, right?
[14:49] <joerg> at least I don't find an edubuntu project there.....
[14:50] <sbalneav> Yeah, ubuntu's fine.
[15:00] <joerg> sbalneav, how long can that be?
[15:03] <sbalneav> How big can the blueprint be, you mean?
[15:03] <sbalneav> Long as you want.
[15:08] <joerg> sbalneav, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-portal-server
[15:10] <sbalneav> k, I'll look at it later.  Thanks.
[15:10] <sbalneav> Off for breakfast.
[15:11] <sbalneav> be back later this evening
[19:23] <highvolt2ge> dgroos: I know you know most of what I explained in that mail, I just overexplained a bit for others
[19:30] <dgroos> highvolt2ge: It actually was nice seeing it all together, the history and the plans/hopes.  Those kinds of posts are especially nice for people who are kind of new, kind of active but not really solidly in the development current.  Thanks for taking the time.
[19:31] <highvoltage> ah that's better
[19:37]  * alkisg didn't know about the ubuntu education list... We really should merge it with edubuntu-users :)
[19:38] <dgroos> Good Afternoon/evening alkisg :)
[19:38] <alkisg> Hey dgroos, highvoltage and everyone
[19:39] <highvoltage> howdy alkisg
[19:39] <alkisg> highvoltage: how does the fat client plugin work for you? Did you have any problems?
[19:42] <dgroos> alkisg: Take a look (if you have 2 hours) to read the rather extensive thread entitled "Teachers and Edubuntu and more" started on  Jan 18.  There's a good bit on whether or not to combine lists.  After reading that thread I'm weighing in on the side of keeping those lists separate though just using #edubuntu for live discussions.  just my thought.
[19:43] <alkisg> Oooh a big one. OK, I may read it tomorrow..
[19:45] <highvoltage> alkisg: I just have trouble reproducing some of the bugs, I still need to build an edubuntu chroot on top of an edubuntu machine
[19:45] <highvoltage> alkisg: hoped to do that in lxc but I'll just do it in virtualbox for now
[19:45] <alkisg> highvoltage: heh, that's a _good_ thing :)
[19:45] <highvoltage> (probably a safer test anyway)
[19:45] <highvoltage> alkisg: hehe, yes
[19:45] <alkisg> Rare bugs are better than common bugs :D
[19:46] <alkisg> highvoltage: but remember that right now, the code _works_
[19:46] <alkisg> You need to remove the `umount -l` to see the problem...
[19:46] <highvoltage> alkisg: :)
[20:02] <dgroos> Is there a user-list tool that can publish the location of those members on the list that are OK with having that info published?
[20:02] <dgroos> like a google map presentation.
[20:04] <dgroos> you know my penchant of liking to be able to picture the people/location of the people I'm talking to :D
[20:05] <dgroos> *penchant for being*
[20:05] <alkisg> dgroos: you can see a map on the launchpad page
[20:08] <dgroos> really!  cool I'll check it out.  Ummm can't find it, any ideas?
[20:12] <alkisg> dgroos: do you have a link for that "teachers and edubuntu and more" thread?
[20:15] <alkisg> (about the launchpad page, I was talking about e.g. https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-users - but it appears that the ML isn't linked to a team)
[20:15] <dgroos> alkisg: check the third thread down on this page: http://www.linux-archive.org/edubuntu-development/
[20:16] <alkisg> Ah right, I've seen that, I stand with sbalneav
[20:17] <alkisg> I.e. I don't think that currently there's any need for different irc channels or MLs, but I wouldn't mind if there were...
[20:22] <dgroos> Interesting--I checked the members list of Edubuntu Users and saw that I wasn't on the list.  This, then, isn't a list of people who are on the list serv.  Seemed like I had applied a while back, but then was taken off the list when voting came up, or something?
[20:23] <dgroos> Wondering... ought I reapply or... I clicked on the subscription policy but it isn't activated...
[20:39] <highvoltage> dgroos: hmm, I'm not sure what you mean, we never removed anyone from the list?
[20:44] <alkisg> dgroos: it's an open team, you just need to press the join button, and you're approved automatically.
[20:47] <dgroos> I've been searching the user-list logs but can't find the post where someone said it was time to clean out all of the old, not approved members (the list hadn't had any attention for months, I think).  Then, I got an e-mail saying I was removed from the edubuntu group but was encouraged to reapply.  I never got a round tuit.  Need to get some more round tuits ;)
[20:48] <dgroos> thanks for the info, I'll do it now...
[20:49] <alkisg> dgroos: maybe you mean "edubuntu-members" instead of users?
[20:50] <dgroos> perhaps?
[20:50] <alkisg> That's a moderated team, you cannot join unless there are some prerequisites satisfied...
[20:54] <dgroos> Yes, that was it.
[20:56] <alkisg> edubuntu membership is like ubuntu membership, you need to be approved by the council to enter the team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[20:57] <highvoltage> yeah edubuntu membership = ubuntu membership
[20:58] <highvoltage> I always thought that 'membership' is a bad name for it
[20:58] <dgroos> right--I think I signed up when I was so new to this Ubuntu world, there was lots I didn't get at that time, I thought it was more about if you use Edubuntu and want to be more officially part of that community...  I later saw that it was as you said, for those interested in more of a leadership role.
[20:58] <highvoltage> because you can be a community member without being an 'ubuntu member'
[20:58] <highvoltage> it more like, 'official contributor' or something
[20:58] <dgroos> right.
[20:58]  * alkisg just saw that ubuntu members also have 1 Gb of sftp web space :)
[20:59] <dgroos> OK, I've got to go and try and focus on correcting papers... :) have a good day/evening all!
[20:59] <alkisg> Good night


[19:04] <MichaelPaoli> Berkeley Linux Users Group (BerkeleyLUG) noon-3 @ Bobby G's Pizzeria https://berkeleylug.com/meetings/
[19:04] <darthrobot`> Title: [Meetings – BerkeleyLUG]
[19:04] <MichaelPaoli> ... four of us here already.  :-)