[07:02] <tamotsukun> Good morning! ^^
[07:06] <tamotsukun> Has anyone experience with calling the UO API in Objective-C? :)
[07:13] <tamotsukun> Somehow, after signing in (and receiving the access token and secret) I don't need to pass the token to the API since I get proper responses even without it. oO
[07:14] <tamotsukun> I mean, I sign in (OAuth) and can get my quota via "https://one.ubuntu.com/api/file_storage/v1" without passing the at with the request ...
[08:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:15] <tamotsukun> Good morning^^
[08:23] <tamotsukun> jo^^
[08:34] <tamotsukun> If I may repeat my question, has anyone here experience with calling the UO API in Objective-C? :)
[09:01] <mandel> tamotsukun, you will have to wait 'til the morning in the usa, the ios developer do have that experience
[09:07] <tamotsukun> Mandel, thank you. :)
[09:07] <tamotsukun> I thought so, too. But I wanted to try my luck! ^^
[09:11] <keepbro> hi guys - Ive got a small problem - Im trying to setup my ubuntuone accoubt and I entered my email and details but it hasnt sent me a verification code - have I done something wrong?
[09:15] <keepbro> is anyone in here?
[09:15] <keepbro> guess not
[09:15] <tamotsukun> I the USA it's still early in the morning :)
[09:16] <keepbro> oh yeah - sorry uk time
[09:16] <keepbro> ill ask later
[09:16] <keepbro> ciao
[09:16] <tamotsukun> ciao
[11:11] <gatox> good morning!
[13:12] <alecu> hello, all!
[13:12] <alecu> ls -la
[13:12] <alecu> wrong window!
[13:12] <gatox> alecu, hi
[13:13] <gatox> alecu, -rw-rw-r--  1 gatox gatox  3548 Aug  3 11:35 run-tests.bat
[13:13] <gatox> drwxrwxr-x  7 gatox gatox  4096 Aug  3 11:35 tests
[13:13] <gatox> drwxrwxr-x  7 gatox gatox  4096 Aug  8 15:44 ubuntuone
[13:13] <gatox> ...
[13:13] <alecu> hi gatox
[13:13] <gatox> :P
[13:13] <alecu> I've been fighting all morning with my VPS, because quasselcore would not start :P
[13:13] <alecu> gatox: what's that?
[13:13] <gatox> ls -la :P
[13:14] <gatox> from u1-client
[13:15] <ralsina> alecu: want an account on my quasselcore?
[13:16] <alecu> ralsina: it was my burst vps acting weird. It took 3 minutes to login via ssh, and then after trying many things, it took more than 15mins for a reboot
[13:16] <ralsina> alecu: ouch
[13:16] <alecu> ralsina: anyway, I'm moving away from burst. It's been very slow for ages
[13:16] <ralsina> alecu: and since my vps is n the same company, probably not going to be much in the way of redundancy
[13:17] <ralsina> alecu: really? Mine has been nice.
[13:17] <alecu> (and as I type this, it seems to be fast now :P)
[13:17] <ralsina> hehe
[13:17] <alecu> bah, fast.
[13:17] <alecu> not as slow as before.
[13:17] <ralsina> alecu: sometimes it's a matter of changing nodes
[13:17] <ralsina> alecu: you can ask tech support to move you
[13:18] <alecu> ralsina: does that mean pointing my dns to the new ip?
[13:18] <mandel> alecu, did you get my mail?
[13:18] <ralsina> alecu: *maybe*
[13:18] <ralsina> alecu: I think they can move your IP with you
[13:19] <alecu> ralsina: too much trouble :-) I'll probably move out for good :P
[13:19] <mandel> alecu, did an update to your branch with the basic skeleton of the callabacks and with a callback that will give you the password that the user gave
[13:19] <alecu> ralsina: I also have an old tektonic account that's been reliable all this years. It's more expensive, but more it's been more responsive too.
[13:20] <ralsina> alecu: yes, I had my company on tektonic
[13:20] <alecu> mandel: great!
[13:20] <ralsina> alecu: it was reliable
[13:20] <ralsina> also, expensive :-)
[13:23] <alecu> mandel: ping
[13:23] <ralsina> dobey: ping when you are around
[13:24] <tamotsukun> Good morning
[13:25] <mandel> alecu, yes :)
[13:25] <mandel> ??
[13:25] <tamotsukun> Anyone here who has experience with the UO API in Objective-C? :)
[13:25] <dobey> ralsina: hi
[13:25] <alecu> mandel: I can't believe that nobody on that sprint is able to point you at what the problem with that preview that's not getting refresed
[13:25] <alecu> *refreshed
[13:27] <mandel> alecu, yes, they have no clue and other things to work on.. I know the correct generic preview is sent (from the model->title info) but have no idea where is the error, I'll keep digging since that is the last problem to solve, the rest is design
[13:28] <mandel> alecu, and although right now the preview is ugly (getting design specs soon) that is the last bug in the entire lens thing
[13:29] <alecu> mandel: awesome. I'll hook your password callback to the code that does the purchase webcall, and we are ready :P
[13:30] <mandel> alecu, awesome :) let me know if it makes sense, ideally you will get a HashMap with a string gvariant and can use it
[13:34] <tamotsukun> Nobody? :)
[13:35] <mandel> tamotsukun, lets ask urbanape
[13:35] <mandel> tamotsukun, I think we should know
[13:50] <alecu> tamotsukun: both of our iOS developers are on the US, so they probably have not started their work day yet.
[13:51] <alecu> tamotsukun: please try asking here again in a few hours.
[13:53] <tamotsukun> alecu, thank you. I will come back in a few hours! :)
[13:53] <tamotsukun> Have a nice day!
[13:59] <alecu> mandel: I'm getting this: /home/alecu/dash/source/unity/tests/test-gestures/compiz_mock/core/window.h:25:25: fatal error: core/window.h: No such file or directory
[13:59] <alecu> mandel: do you have any idea what I might be missing?
[14:00] <mandel> alecu, which branch?
[14:00] <mandel> sorry, stupid question, unity one
[14:01] <mandel> let me check, did you merge the branch with trunk?
[14:03] <alecu> mandel: yes
[14:03] <alecu> mandel: I updated trunk before doing it
[14:03] <mandel> alecu, let me update my tree and take a look
[14:03] <mandel> alecu, might have been something new that landed in trunk, is a moving target atm
[14:03] <alecu> mandel: I'll try unmerging, to see if trunk has the same issue.
[14:04] <mandel> alecu, ok, did the vala branch compile?
[14:07] <mandel> alecu, I need to update compiz to get trunk building, give me some mins
[14:21] <alecu> mandel: how are you updating compiz?
[14:23] <alecu> via a ppa or compiling from trunk?
[14:23] <mandel> alecu, ppa
[14:24] <mandel> alecu, I've got it compiling yet it was complaining that I was missing /usr/share/compiz/xslt/compiz_gsettings_schemas.xslt
[14:24]  * mandel misses python
[14:24] <alecu> mandel: lolz
[14:24] <alecu> mandel: rotflcopter
[14:24] <mandel> lol
[14:24] <alecu> mandel: I, on the other hand have acquired a fondness for Vala.
[14:25] <mandel> alecu, I'm not surprise compiling and complaining are so similar words..
[14:25] <alecu> mandel: as much as "programador Vala" sounds so awful in argentino.
[14:25] <mandel> alecu, yes, is not cpp!!! I would take vala any time over the::annoying->language.c_str()
[14:25] <alecu> mandel: in fact, I'm preparing a Lightning talk called "Vala for twisted programmers"
[14:25] <mandel> hahahaha
[14:26] <alecu> mandel: you have yield in vala! and something similar to @inlineCallbacks!
[14:26] <alecu> mandel: it's awesome!
[14:27] <mandel> alecu, and lambdas and delegates, so yes, it is a good wrapper around glib :)
[14:27] <mandel> alecu, I also discovered why they use ? when it is not needed (pointers) it generates extra code to ensure that you are ready for null
[14:29] <alecu> mandel: I think that's backwards: it checks for null when there is no ?. When there's a ?, the null check is skipped.
[14:30] <mandel> alecu, when you use ? it knows that it can get a null pointer, else it does not
[14:30] <mandel> and you can also do int?
[14:31] <alecu> mandel: right, and the "checks" for null are only present in the code when there is no "?"
[14:32] <dobey> alecu: in the generated C yes, but valac itself has checks for when you try to pass null into an argument that doesn't have the ?
[14:34] <dobey> alecu: so if you try to pass null in the vala code to something that doesn't allow null, you'll get a compile error from valac, rather than waiting for the program to fail when you run it
[14:35] <mandel> that is why I was trying to explain and failed
[14:37] <mandel> alecu, anyway, getting back to work, I have no problem compiling it with the unity staging ppa and Q
[14:37] <dobey> ralsina: is your internet behaving today?
[14:37] <ralsina> dobey: no, but I am in a very nice bar
[14:37] <ralsina> dobey: it crashes every day ~9AM and comes back ~11AM
[14:38] <ralsina> dobey: and has done that monday-friday for over a week
[14:38] <dobey> ralsina: one of your neighbors hijacking your connection to run a shady business for 2 hours?
[14:39] <ralsina> dobey: it's my working hypothesis, actually
[14:39] <ralsina> or rather, "neighbour doing something evil with an electrical device and fuzzying my phoneline"
[14:41] <dobey> i believe that is called brown boxing, in the official parlance
[14:44] <ralsina> I don't think it's intentional
[14:44] <ralsina> since the adsl modem has no link, it's completely useless for anyone, and you can't just hook another one in that line because it's uplink-locked
[14:45] <ralsina> and if someone managed to crack a adsl modem so it works on my line it would be *much* easier to just connect to my wifi, which has the password on the name as courtesy ;-)
[14:46] <dobey> heh
[14:48] <ralsina> so it would take a strange combination of genius and utter idiocy to steal my internet this specific way
[14:54] <alecu> ralsina: how are we doing the team meeting today? mumble? hangout? skype? teleportation pods?
[14:55] <ralsina> mumble
[14:55] <ralsina> my teleportation pod is at home
[14:55] <ralsina> paradoxical, I know
[14:57] <alecu> ack
[14:58] <mmcc> hi folks. just wrote nice notes for standup, before realizing it's Thursday
[14:58] <alecu> it gets really paradoxical with time machines. With teleportation pods things are usually more stable
[14:59] <alecu> mmcc: you can use them as notes for this meeting!
[14:59] <mmcc> alecu: nah, just gonna wing it
[14:59] <mmcc> gotta get one of those teleportation pods that teleports itself, too
[15:00] <alecu> yo dawg!
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:01] <ralsina> gatox: you mumble
[15:01] <gatox> :P
[15:01] <ralsina> I have exactly 31 minutes of battery left  :-)
[15:02] <dobey> assuming you're not using mumble on it
[15:02] <dobey> joshuahoover, thisfred: mumble?
[15:02] <ralsina> also, you will listen some nice soothing bossa nova, since I am on a cafe
[15:02] <joshuahoover> dobey: yep, let me get my headset on...one min.
[15:02] <thisfred> on my way
[15:03] <dobey> all i hear is line noise from the power supply in my speakers
[15:03] <ralsina> can anyone hear me?
[15:03] <dobey> very noisy
[15:04] <dobey> too much gain or so
[15:22] <dobey> for some reason mumble decided push to talk meant push to do nothing, today
[15:27] <ralsina> dobey: are 6+ hour delays on PPA builds the standard?
[15:27] <ralsina> or did I choose a very bad day to try my hand at packaging? ;-)
[15:29] <dobey> ralsina: which PPA are you building in? your own?
[15:29] <ralsina> dobey: yes
[15:30] <dobey> ralsina: it might have a lower build score, so might take longer; but i had a couple of nightlies builds say "6 hours" yesterday, but didn't take that long
[15:30] <dobey> ralsina: it will take a while still, but it might not actually take 6+ hours
[15:31] <ralsina> dobey: it already has been there 5:30 and says 30 minutes :-)
[15:31] <ralsina> dobey: it's ok, I am not in a hurry at all
[15:31] <dobey> it's not 'normal' i guess, but some of the builders are disabled
[15:31] <dobey> ah ok
[15:32] <dobey> ralsina: part of the problem is also that some jobs which are arch-independent still only build on i386; so all the python-only code and the recipe source package creation, and translation templates imports stuff, all runs on the i386 builders; which can clog them up a bit too
[15:33] <dobey> anyway, need to get lunch here. bbiab :)
[15:34]  * gatox lunch + errands
[15:34]  * ralsina looks at the battery... 3minutes (those are long minutes!)
[15:34] <ralsina> anyway, lunch sounds good
[15:50] <alecu> mandel: did you get past the xslt issue?
[15:50] <mandel> alecu, yes, I compiled everything with no problem, do you have issues?
[15:50] <mandel> alecu, by they way, I simply copied the missing xlt from the compiz src
[16:01] <alecu> mandel: that seems to work. I'll have to wait for an hour for compiz to compile first :P
[16:01]  * alecu grabs his plastic sword. COMPILE!
[16:02] <mmcc> alecu, is that this sword: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Purple_dragon_book_b.jpg ?
[16:03] <mandel> If you see mi going on an off it means that my nvidia drivers are going crazy due to unity
[16:10] <alecu> mmcc: lol. It's this one: http://xkcd.com/303/
[16:11] <mmcc> alecu: oh right. :)
[16:16] <alecu> mandel: I got everything to compile
[16:16] <mandel> alecu, \o/
[16:16] <alecu> mandel: and I even got your screen displayed, with the info gotten from the webservices
[16:16] <alecu> mandel: so \o/ indeed
[16:16] <alecu> mandel: one thing: I can't see the input box for the password
[16:17] <mandel> alecu, yes, that is nux being an ass, I'm in the process of creating decoration so you can see the text entry
[16:17] <mandel> alecu, but is there, click between the two labels
[16:17] <mandel> alecu, that is the default text entry.. is between pathetic and depressing
[16:18] <alecu> mandel: doh, it's there, true!
[16:18] <alecu> mandel: thanks!
[16:19] <mandel> alecu, np, I spent hours thinking it was not there..
[16:19] <mandel> alecu, you should be able to do the full process while I make the preview better looking and show the other previews (cancel shows the last preview for example)
[16:21] <alecu> mandel: yes, I'll have lunch and will work on finishing the purchase
[16:22] <mandel> alecu, awesome then, it seems that we are going to be on time :)
[16:22] <alecu> mandel: we are going to have "something" on time.
[16:23] <alecu> mandel: we are a long bugfixing way of having it on time :-)
[16:25]  * briancurtin lunch + doctor run
[16:25] <mandel> alecu, well, yes, we wanted to have an example on time, bug are to be expected
[16:25] <mandel> alecu, specially when I had to fix a lot of little things within the dash
[16:26] <alecu> mandel: right!
[16:26] <alecu> mandel: got a minute for mumbling?
[16:31] <mandel> alecu, sure, let me reboot to mac os x :)
[16:32] <mandel> alecu, give me some mins, I managed to get from one preview to another \o/
[16:37] <mandel> alecu, mumble?
[16:40] <alecu> mandel: sure, let's
[16:40] <mandel> alecu, ok, launching mumble
[17:39] <mmcc> anyone currently have a mac handy to test creating a new account with the latest build?
[17:39] <mmcc> lisette ran across a problem with PIL loading one of its C modules, but it works fine for me… wondering if anyone else can reproduce
[17:39] <ralsina> mmcc: sorry, no, still at a bar :-(
[17:42] <gatox> backkkkk....... my laptop almost die :P
[18:21]  * briancurtin back
[18:28] <dobey> hmm
[18:31] <dobey> mmcc: do you have a link to the iconutils thing to convert PNG to icns on mac?
[18:32] <mmcc> dobey: a link to the docs? the tool itself is just installed in /usr/bin/iconutil
[18:32] <dobey> mmcc: yes. so i can see what all the arguments are/etc… i don't have a mac to look at :)
[18:33] <dobey> ah, hrmm; may have found a useful PDF from developer.apple.com
[18:33] <mmcc> https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/GraphicsAnimation/Conceptual/HighResolutionOSX/Optimizing/Optimizing.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012302-CH7-SW2
[18:33] <mmcc> also, "Usage: iconutil --convert ( icns | iconset) [--output file] file"
[18:34] <dobey> thanks
[18:34] <mmcc> the docs say that -c is also OK:
[18:34] <mmcc> iconutil -c icns <iconset filename>
[18:35] <mmcc> and 'icon set filename' is actually a directory named something.iconset
[18:37] <dobey> yeah. thanks
[18:37] <dobey> and with that, brb
[19:58] <briancurtin> although i cant read most of the schedule, PyCon AR looks like it's going to be awesome given the names i recognize :)
[19:58] <ralsina> briancurtin: hopefully!
[19:59] <ralsina> after 15 years speaking in public this is the gig that makes me most nervous in ... about 14 of those years
[20:00]  * ralsina goes check that 15 number... DAMN make that 20
[20:01] <ralsina> looks like I got older while I was not looking
[20:03] <briancurtin> my age calendar often has off-by-one errors. usually the first few months of being some age i end up saying "i'm 27...oh, wait, 28"
[20:03] <ralsina> 27... ok, I am depressed now :-)
[20:03] <mmcc> briancurtin: mine just stopped at 30. I'm actually 33 but I always think I'm 30
[20:04] <chaselivingston> ralsina: if it makes you feel any better, I'm 22 :)
[20:04] <ralsina> chaselivingston: hmmm testing... nope. Now that means there is someone working here that could be my son.
[20:04] <dobey> how old is gatox? 15?
[20:04]  * ralsina feels like he's in Logan's Run now
[20:05] <gatox> dobey, heyyyyy... why? :(
[20:05] <chaselivingston> ralsina: haha, very nice
[20:05] <dobey> ralsina: RENEW! RENEW!
[20:05] <dobey> gatox: haha :)
[20:05] <ralsina> dobey: I think I will run away in my hovercar :-)
[20:05] <gatox> dobey, i'm 26
[20:05] <ralsina> dobey: also, knowing "RENEW, RENEW" means you could RENEW too ;-)
[20:06]  * dobey has Logan's Run on blu-ray
[20:07] <dobey> gatox: i guess it's not as fun to joke about you without mandel here too :)
[20:07] <gatox> dobey, yes jeejejej
[20:07] <gatox> dobey, mandel was really sad when he wasn't the youngest anymore
[20:08] <dobey> yeah
[20:08] <dobey> eh, when i started at HelixCode/Ximian/Novell way back in the day, i was 19.
[20:15] <mmcc> idea: USB punching bag with LCD screen that shows the name of the technology you currently most want to batter
[20:15] <mmcc> presently, ctypes
[20:18] <mmcc> specifically, if you have a ctypes Structure and typo '__fields__' instead of '_fields_', it just silently works…? except, is it the right type or not? argh
[20:31]  * gatox eod!! see you tomorrow people
[20:32] <ralsina> I have to go pickup my mom
[20:32] <ralsina> will be back much later
[20:56] <mmcc> lunch
[20:57] <beast_> hello everyone
[20:57] <beast_> im having a problem in ubuntu 12.04 x86
[20:58] <beast_> its taken me a few days to get wireless internet to work, and now that i did, the system is not loading the ndiswrapper module after a reboot.
[20:58] <beast_> how can i force or make the system load the module after every reboot?
[20:59] <chaselivingston> hi beast_, may i recommend checking out http://askubuntu.com
[21:04] <beast_> chaselivingston, thx ill give it a look see
[21:04] <chaselivingston> beast_: np :)
[21:07] <beast_> chaselivingston, unfortunately, im not finding anything there..
[21:07] <beast_> this is aggravating.
[21:08] <beast_> its taken me a few days just to get wireless to work. and now it doesnt want to work after a reboot unless i manually reload the module.
[21:08] <briancurtin> beast_: are there any other ubuntu channels you could try? this channel is specifically about the Ubuntu One product
[21:08] <chaselivingston> beast_: feel free to ask a question there, giving folks the opportunity to respond. http://askubuntu.com/questions/ask
[21:09] <beast_> briancurtin, i guess ill have to find out the hard way and type out the same question and un-numbered number of times to other people.
[21:09] <beast_> damnit.
[21:09] <beast_> thx anyways guys
[21:09] <beast_> adios
[21:13] <dobey> briancurtin, chaselivingston: if people ask general ubuntu questions in the future, just point them at #ubuntu instead
[21:13] <dobey> doh
[21:14] <dobey> eh, i need to go. gotta cut the grass^H^Hweeds before it gets dark
[21:18] <dobey> later
[23:49] <tamotsukun> Good evening, are there still some iOS developers around? :)


 Bueller?
[00:20] <Michelle_> Motion carries?
[00:22] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: what's going on?
[00:22] <Nothing_Much> do I need a webcam or something?!
[00:23] <balloons> yummu
[00:23] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: no, just IRC
[00:23] <balloons> late dinner for me :-)
[00:23] <mhall119> hey balloons
[00:24] <mhall119> alright, I'll go ahead and kick this off, but we'll probably end up takingit all to the mailinglist
[00:24] <mhall119> #startmeeting
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[00:24] <mhall119> #chair mhall119
[00:24] <meetingology> Current chairs: mhall119
[00:25] <Michelle_> oh, I should pay attention.
[00:25] <mhall119> #topic Ubuntu 14.04 Release Party
[00:25] <mhall119> so we're just over a month away from the release of Ubuntu 14.04 \o/
[00:25] <mhall119> we haven't had a release party in years
[00:25] <Nothing_Much> woo!
[00:25] <Michelle_> ::cough:: and Qimo ::cough::
[00:25] <mhall119> it's time to fix that
[00:26] <mhall119> we were thinking about finding a space in Orlando to host a proper, team-wide party
[00:26] <Nothing_Much> Orlando sounds nice
[00:27] <Michelle_> I'd like to try and get a rough estimate of how many we might actually have show up for a party
[00:27] <Michelle_> supposing we host in orlando somewhere.
[00:29] <Michelle_> release day is April 17th, and so I'm looking at a release party either April 19th, or the 26th
[00:29] <Nothing_Much> This is gonna be a fairly big release, so I'm enthusiastic
[00:29] <mhall119> I'm going to bring my Nexus 4 and 2012 Nexus 7 with Ubuntu on both if people want to try them out first-hand
[00:29] <Nothing_Much> I think maybe the 26th would be good (for me at least, unsure about anybody else)
[00:29] <Michelle_> we're also hoping to debut at least a beta of Qimo 3.0, as well.
[00:29] <mhall119> that too
[00:30] <Michelle_> I'm also inclined to go with the 26th, out of personal preference.
[00:30] <balloons> I would show up, provided it's not further away than Orlando, should be easy. I'll note I would rather see it in a smaller city on the coast, but I'm not an Orlando fan, so :-)
[00:30] <mhall119> #subtopic Qimo 3.0 is going to happen, based on Ubuntu 14.04
[00:30] <mhall119> balloons: I'm not either, but it's a pretty central place
[00:30] <balloons> yes, can't argue much with that
[00:30] <mhall119> Tampa is further for itnet7
[00:31] <mhall119> I'm not sure it makes a difference to the Miami guys
[00:31] <balloons> I mean like jupiter fl or melbourne or something
[00:31] <mhall119> that's quite a bit further for you though isn't it?
[00:31] <balloons> which is technically farther for me yes
[00:31] <mhall119> and you'd have to go through Orlando to get there
[00:32] <balloons> I can avoid it :-) but anyways
[00:32] <Michelle_> balloons: maybe we can move things around the state for the next party.
[00:32] <balloons> 19th or 26th I think works.. let me verify
[00:32] <mhall119> balloons: would the Kissimmee area be easier for you?
[00:32] <Michelle_> mhall119: I was leaning more Kissimmee-area than DT Orlando.
[00:32] <Michelle_> probably going to be easier to find hosting space.
[00:32]  * mhall119 would prefer that
[00:33] <balloons> as far as easier? Probably Deland is the easiest suburb of Orlando for me
[00:33] <balloons> everything else is probably the same.. I would be coming from the NW
[00:34] <balloons> the host however gets to decide :-) One of the nice things about coordinating
[00:34] <Michelle_> Deland might be a reasonable option too.  I'll look around and see what I can find - considering the time crunch.
[00:34] <Nothing_Much> oh goodness, Kissimmee is an hour away from Deltona
[00:34] <Michelle_> Nothing_Much: Doable, or no?
[00:34] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: yeah, but only like 30 miles :)
[00:35] <mhall119> it's going through Orlando in I4 that takes so long
[00:35] <Nothing_Much> not where I'm from, to kissimmee is 53.9 miles
[00:35] <Nothing_Much> away
[00:36] <mhall119> ok, we'll start looking for venue options
[00:36] <mhall119> and email the team with what we find
[00:36] <Michelle_> I'll send out some options when I have some on hand.
[00:36] <Nothing_Much> so not very doable for me if it takes an hour for that
[00:36] <Nothing_Much> an hour to get there*
[00:36] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: but east-side of Orlando would be do-able for you?
[00:36] <mhall119> Deland area?
[00:36] <Michelle_> Can we get a poll set up, mhall119 ?
[00:37] <Michelle_> survey monkey or something?
[00:37] <mhall119> yeah, as long as people respond quickly
[00:37] <Michelle_> Can you make that a todo?
[00:37] <mhall119> sure, what cities do we want on there?
[00:37] <Nothing_Much> Deland would be best for me, takes me about 15-20 min to get there
[00:38] <Nothing_Much> but orlando would be good too, looks like 36 minutes
[00:38] <Michelle_> I'll focus on the Deland/east Orlando area, and see what I can come up with.
[00:38] <mhall119> ok
[00:39] <mhall119> any other questions/suggestions on release party?
[00:39] <Michelle_> wish govatent was here tonight.
[00:39] <mhall119> me too, and itnet7
[00:39] <mhall119> but I'll email the list so they see
[00:39] <Michelle_> OK, so watch your mailing list, folks.
[00:39] <mhall119> aside from me bringing a phone and tablet running Ubuntu, anything we should plan on *doing* during the event?
[00:40] <Michelle_> eat?
[00:40] <Michelle_> priorities, you know
[00:40] <balloons> eat is a given of course :-)
[00:41] <balloons> depends if folks want something like informal talks? or perhaps games are more fun?
[00:41] <Michelle_> heh, game night.  ;)
[00:41] <mhall119> do we want a venue where we can buy food, or one where we can bring in pizzas or something?
[00:41] <Michelle_> mhall119: depends on what I can get for community funding.  I'd rather bring in, if possible.
[00:42] <Michelle_> Puts less stress on budgets for folks.
[00:43] <Michelle_> The other alternative would be to have people meet in Orlando and carpool into our house, mhall119, and host here.
[00:43] <mhall119> ok, I'm going to setup an event without a venue for now, so we cna see how many people want to attend
[00:44] <balloons> panera lets you book private rooms for free I believe, could be an option. Not sure what other types of places you were thinking
[00:45] <Michelle_> balloons: yeah, they're on my list to look at.
[00:45] <Michelle_> ok, mhall119, let's start with this, and go from there.
[00:46] <mhall119> alright, here's the event: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/2737-ubuntu-1404-release-party/
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> what game?
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> o.o
[00:46] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: something child-friendly, I have a fun card game though
[00:46] <mhall119> balloons: I've got that "We didn't play test this at all" game that popey had at our sprint
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> oh I thought you meant a sorta cross platform game
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> because I have the perfect one
[00:46] <Nothing_Much> which is really good for LAN games
[00:46] <Michelle_> which one, Nothing_Much ?
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> Bitfighter, cross platform and Linux friendly
[00:47] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: getting a working LAN at a venue might be too difficult
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> and child friendly
[00:47] <Nothing_Much> oh okay
[00:47] <Michelle_> If I can swing it, I wouldn't be opposed, but it'll depend on getting a LAN.
[00:47] <balloons> mhall119, that could be quite fun. I have some german style board games, and some more interesting stuff as well. I think I'd rather keep it light, cards games, etc
[00:48] <Nothing_Much> ohh, physical games was what you were talking about
[00:48] <Nothing_Much> my bad
[00:48] <mhall119> yeah, there's not even a guarantee we'll have power outlets, depending on the venue
[00:48] <Michelle_> mhall119: I can get "We didn't play test this either" to go with it, too.
[00:49] <mhall119> ok, I'll email the list with the location options and the link to the event page
[00:49] <Nothing_Much> don't libraries have computers though?
[00:49] <mhall119> if you guys can all register at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/2737-ubuntu-1404-release-party/ so we can start getting an idea of how many people we need to accomodate
[00:49] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: yeah, but what we cna do with them is going to be restricted
[00:49] <mhall119> when we've had meetups at libraries before, we got a separate room without computers
[00:50] <mhall119> you can invite/bring along people from outside the team too
[00:50] <mhall119> anybody who might be interested in attending an Ubuntu release party
[00:50] <balloons> I don't have a gaming capable laptop, plus it's nice to be off the pc :-)
[00:50] <Nothing_Much> There's a portable release you can put on a USB drive on Windows and I *think* Linux as well
[00:51] <Michelle_> Let's sort that out when we get some sort of idea of venue, and go from there.  :)
[00:51] <Nothing_Much> mhall119: How do I say that I'm attending?
[00:51] <Nothing_Much> Michelle_: sure
[00:51] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: there should be a "Register" button on the right side of the page
[00:52] <Nothing_Much> ah I see it
[00:53] <mhall119> ok, anything more on the topic of release parties?
[00:53] <Nothing_Much> enthusiasm!
[00:54] <mhall119> +1 :)
[00:54] <mhall119> #topic App Developer Schools
[00:54] <mhall119> so we at Canonical have been working hard to build up our app development platform
[00:54] <mhall119> part of that is teaching how to write apps for Ubuntu phone and desktop
[00:55] <mhall119> we've created a "course" that can be taught either in person or online, and if anybody on the team is interested I'd be happy to lead one for us
[00:55] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/2677/ has information about what it is
[00:56] <mhall119> since it can be done online, I can do it anytime people are available, we don't need a physical meetup
[00:56] <mhall119> I might even be able to talk balloons into teaching how to write tests for apps :)
[00:56] <Nothing_Much> whoa, cool
[00:57] <Nothing_Much> though I'm not a developer so I can't really teach that kind of stuff
[00:58] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: I would be the one teaching
[00:58] <mhall119> if there is interest from anyone in the team in learning it
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> oh!
[00:59] <Nothing_Much> what kind of development stuff is it? does it work well for newbies wanting to program or do you have to have some sort of experience?
[01:00] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: it should be newbie friendly
[01:00] <mhall119> if it's not, our course material needs to be improved :)
[01:00] <mhall119> part of this would be me test-driving the material before we get other loco teams to start using it
[01:01] <Nothing_Much> is that during the party or a course during the summer?
[01:01] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: separate from the party
[01:01] <mhall119> it would be a one-day thing, maybe a couple of hours at most
[01:02] <Nothing_Much> ohh, okay so that means it's once per year or is that like a test run to see how well it catches on or something?
[01:02] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: it can be anytime, as many times as people want
[01:02] <balloons> I imagine we could run it again, but I'm guessing you want to do it once this cycle and see how it goes?
[01:03] <mhall119> yeah, ultimately we want to get a lot of instructors all over the world working with this material
[01:03] <mhall119> but for our team, specifically, I can run one as often as there's a desire for one
[01:04] <Nothing_Much> I'm looking at the slideshow, looks like I need an Ubuntu Phone..
[01:04] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: you don't necessarily, apps will run on the Ubuntu desktop, and we have a phone emulator too
[01:04] <Nothing_Much> oh right
[01:04] <Nothing_Much> duh
[01:04] <Nothing_Much> lol
[01:05] <Nothing_Much> so the goal is to get schools to pick this up?
[01:05] <mhall119> no, just local enthusiasts
[01:06] <Nothing_Much> ohh, sorry about the confusion
[01:06] <mhall119> it's okay
[01:06] <mhall119> we can discuss this more on the mailing list
[01:07] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: you should join this team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-florida
[01:07] <mhall119> that way you get those emails
[01:07] <mhall119> #action mhall119 to email the team list about the release party and app dev schools
[01:07] <meetingology> ACTION: mhall119 to email the team list about the release party and app dev schools
[01:07] <mhall119> #topic open mic
[01:08] <mhall119> anything else anybody would like to talk about in this meeting?
[01:08] <Michelle_> let's go ahead and get the next meeting scheduled.
[01:08] <mhall119> oh, good idea
[01:09] <mhall119> April 7th is the first monday on April
[01:09] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-florida/757/detail/
[01:09] <Michelle_> let's plan on that first monday, with a repeat meeting if necessary before the party.
[01:10] <mhall119> remember, anybody can add agenda items to the meeting schedule, you just have to log in and you'll see the "Add Agenda Item" button
[01:11] <Michelle_> Alright, that's all on my list mhall119
[01:13] <balloons> I'm excited about the release party, should be fun
[01:14] <mhall119> #endmeeting
[01:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Mar 11 01:14:05 2014 UTC.
[01:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-fl/2014/ubuntu-us-fl.2014-03-11-00.24.moin.txt
[01:14] <mhall119> balloons: indeed, we haven't had a meetup in a long time
[01:14] <Michelle_> woo!
[01:15] <balloons> night everyone
[01:15] <Nothing_Much> good night!
[01:15] <Nothing_Much> I'm hoping I can make it
[01:15] <Nothing_Much> so first we need to figure out where the party's gonna be hosted right?
[01:17] <Michelle_> Yep, I'll email the mailing list, so make sure you're signed up for that.
[01:17] <Nothing_Much> I need to figure out how mailing lists work..
[01:18] <Nothing_Much> But I logged in
[01:19] <Nothing_Much> to the launchpad thing
[01:19] <Michelle_> mhall119: can you help Nothing_Much get signed up?
[01:19] <Michelle_> <--ignoramus here.
[01:20] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: if you join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-florida it should add you to the mailing list automatically
[01:22] <Nothing_Much> I joined that
[01:23] <Nothing_Much> okay so basically I just get messages from those?
[01:23] <Nothing_Much> how do I send messages?
[01:24] <Nothing_Much> through the email?
[01:26] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: ah, my mistake, it's not via launchpad it's https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-fl
[01:27] <mhall119> you can subscribe to the mailing list there
[01:29] <Nothing_Much> oh okay
[01:36] <Michelle_> Alright, I'm out, yo.  Everyone have a good night, and I'll touch base with everyone once we've got party details a little closer to hammered out.
[01:36] <Michelle_> And if you don't already, go ahead and like the team's Facebook page, too, as I keep it updated as best I can.  https://www.facebook.com/ubuntuflorida
[02:14] <itnet7> mhall119: hey there!
[02:14]  * balloons waves to itnet7
[02:14] <itnet7> Hey balloons ! How are you?
[02:15] <balloons> cleaning the house atm, just dropped by the pc to check something and saw your arrival :-)
[02:15] <itnet7> sweet
[02:15] <balloons> anyways, I hope you can come to the release party, it would be nice to see you again
[02:16] <itnet7> I am for sure going to do my best to be there
[02:16] <balloons> excellent, with that, back to cleaning for me
[02:16] <itnet7> Take care!
[02:17] <itnet7> Well I'll be back later
[12:33] <DammitJim> man, next time I should put my irc on bbl
[12:33] <DammitJim> looks like there was a productive meeting last night
[18:44] <DammitJim> what does one call a server that sits between production and test
[18:44] <DammitJim> its purpose is to hold files that are moved from one environment to it and then fetched by the other
[18:44] <DammitJim> I guess it's like a staging server
[18:47] <DammitJim> Acheron
[19:56] <mhall119> DammitJim: staging is what I usually call it
[19:57] <mhall119> or "production-like environment"
[20:36] <DammitJim> I ended up calling it Charon
[20:36] <DammitJim> I was just informed that this server won't hold any files, but will be the one moving stuff from one machine to another
[20:36] <DammitJim> Charon was the guy that took people from one side to the other of the river in the underworld :D
[21:09] <mhall119> heh, I like it


[10:59] <jeshe> hey, when you open the lid on your laptop
[11:00] <jeshe> is there a way to disable the password prompt?


[08:34] <Pendulum> TheMuso: I notice it's not listed on the blueprint, but is 'making Unity 2D accessibile' something you expect to have brought up in the Unity 2D Oneiric Improvements session?
[08:35] <TheMuso> Pendulum: Yes.
[08:35] <kinouchou> hi Pendulum
[08:35] <Pendulum> TheMuso: great :)
[08:35] <Cheri703> I think I may have missed one of the accessibility blueprints, I'm going to go make sure
[08:35]  * Pendulum only has internet over 3G so won't really even be able to do remote participation until Thursday
[08:36] <Pendulum> and I was just trying to sort out sessions where a11y should get mentioned ;-)
[08:36] <kinouchou> Pendulum: you are at UDS?
[08:36] <Pendulum> kinouchou: no :(
[08:37] <kinouchou> :(
[08:37] <Daniel0108> hi
[08:37] <kinouchou> i want see you
[08:37] <kinouchou> hi Daniel0108
[08:38] <Daniel0108> Who is at the UDS? :P
[08:39] <kinouchou> me
[08:42] <Pendulum> charlie-tca is, but I doubt he has a computer with him
[08:43] <Daniel0108> hi hajour
[08:44] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha hajour
[08:44] <Daniel0108> hajour: Which meeting are you going to attend ?
[08:45] <TheMuso> Hi folks, I'm here at UDS also.
[08:45] <Cheri703> I'm here
[08:45] <Cheri703> *at uds
[08:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'm here *at home, with no video or audio stream* :(
[08:46] <Daniel0108> :(
[08:46] <UndiFineD> :)
[08:46] <Daniel0108> I'm at UDS too :P
[08:47] <Cheri703> Daniel0108: are you in/behind the 3rd row (or anyone?)
[08:48] <Daniel0108> I'm behind the 3rd row
[08:48] <Cheri703> ok, right or left side?
[08:48] <Daniel0108> I'm directly beside the 4th door, right side
[08:50] <Cheri703> ok, I'm almost opposite corner :)
[08:50] <Daniel0108> oh, lol
[08:50] <Cheri703> I am hanging out with hypatia most of the time, she has bright pink hair :) she's my "how to find cheri" landmark :)
[08:50] <Cheri703> where are you headed after this?
[08:50] <TheMuso> I'm on the right side of the ballroom somewhere near the middle.
[08:51] <MrChrisDruif> Yay!
[08:51] <Daniel0108> Community Roundtable or Desktop Roundtable, Cheri703
[08:51] <Cheri703> I'm headed to community roundtable I think
[08:53] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: okay
[08:53] <TheMuso> Hrm I don't remember seeing the desktop round table...
[08:54] <Cheri703> it's in jozsef
[08:55] <Cheri703> room 12 on the name badge map :)
[08:55] <TheMuso> Oh there it is.
[08:55] <TheMuso> Yay, now the challenge of actually finding that room
[08:55] <TheMuso> Sorry maps are no use to me.
[08:55] <Cheri703> oh, sorry
[08:55] <TheMuso> np
[08:55] <Cheri703> if you go out of this room and turn left, it's down the hallway
[08:55] <Cheri703> it's on the way to mine.
[08:56] <TheMuso> Brilliant, thanks for that.
[08:56] <Cheri703> on the left hand side of the hallway
[08:56] <Cheri703> middle room
[08:56]  * TheMuso hopes to get a drink on the way... Damn warm in here.
[08:56] <Cheri703> yeah, I brought a water bottle :)
[08:56] <kinouchou> +1 TheMuso
[08:56] <Daniel0108> +1 TheMuso
[08:57]  * Cheri703 is also carrying a big honking bag, so...
[08:57] <Cheri703> trade-offs
[08:57] <Cheri703> TheMuso: where are you seated in here?
[08:57] <hajour> what room TheMuso ?
[08:57] <MrChrisDruif> Like Jono said "Drink responsibly"
[08:57] <Daniel0108> hajour: Community Roundtable?
[08:57] <Cheri703> hajour: do you know what session you are headed to?
[08:57] <hajour> i am in the room where the readings are
[08:57] <TheMuso> I am right hand side, somewhere in the middle, near the middle exit door I think.
[08:58] <Cheri703> ok, cool. I'm near the front, opposite the doors
[08:58] <kinouchou> if somebody needs help, i can help him
[08:58] <TheMuso> A couple of rows in front of where the middle set of PA speakers are located.
[08:58] <Cheri703> I can as well
[08:58] <hajour> are you in the hall TheMuso ?
[08:58] <Daniel0108> hajour: yes, I'm there too, but I mean, in which room are you going to be the next hour?
[08:58]  * Cheri703 is more than happy to play guide dog as needed :D
[08:58] <hajour> because i can go get you if you like TheMuso
[08:58] <TheMuso> MrChrisDruif: Jono was referring to alcohol. :)
[08:58] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm in the hall, I'm directly beside the 4th door
[08:58] <TheMuso> I am going to the desktop round table room.
[08:59] <TheMuso> I.e Joszef.
[08:59] <TheMuso> This room is not big enough for all of us.
[08:59] <TheMuso> Anyway, oging to pack up now.
[08:59] <Cheri703> Anyone who needs a hand going point a to point b, let me know
[09:00] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: Are you going to the Community Roundtable?
[09:00] <Cheri703> yes
[09:00] <Cheri703> the desktop one is on the way :)
[09:00] <kinouchou> me too
[09:00] <Cheri703> cool, I'll keep an eye out for you guys :)
[09:01] <Daniel0108> me too
[09:01] <hajour> TheMuso,  are you in c orinthia hotel?
[09:01] <Cheri703> I'm the one with the orange lanyard ;)
[09:01] <Cheri703> oh, random question I've always wondered: screen readers: how do they handle emoticons?
[09:01] <Cheri703> and/or punctuation
[09:02] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: I'm the one with the white T-Shirt with TouchLay on it :P
[09:02] <Cheri703> I have this idea in my head that they do (or should) say "winky face" or "smiley face" or "angry face" etc
[09:03] <hajour> TheMuso,  i go look or i can find you i go to the hall .
[09:03] <Daniel0108> hajour: When are you going to the Community Roundtable?
[09:04] <MrChrisDruif> Finally, stream is back
[09:04] <Daniel0108> great
[09:07] <hajour> TheMuso, i am in the hall
[09:08] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm there too
[09:08] <Cheri703> am I the only one of us that is in the room?
[09:09] <kinouchou> no I'm in the room
[09:09] <Cheri703> kk
[09:09] <Daniel0108> has the Roundtable already started?
[09:09] <Cheri703> I doubt it?
[09:09] <Cheri703> since this thing is still going
[09:10] <Daniel0108> yeah, but it's already 10 AM
[09:10] <Daniel0108> it's 10:10 AM
[09:10] <Cheri703> yeah, this is running over, and at least most people are here, and they're not going to walk out of the keynote, so...I think they'd probably wait for people
[09:11] <Daniel0108> yes
[09:11] <Daniel0108> I'm still in the Grand Ballroom too
[09:16] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: are you in the Kazincy room?
[09:17] <Cheri703> I'm still in the ballroom
[09:17] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: okay, me too
[09:17] <Daniel0108> I need a power source :/ Battery's low
[09:17] <Cheri703> a plug?
[09:17] <Daniel0108> yes
[09:17] <Cheri703> I have an adapter and power strip with me
[09:18] <Cheri703> *euro adapter
[09:18] <Daniel0108> me too
[09:18] <Daniel0108> wb hajour
[09:18] <hajour> its not a good connection here
[09:19] <Cheri703> which network are you on?
[09:19] <UndiFineD> for the audio streams I tink we have to wait for the keynote to end
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: Connect to Ubuntu
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: Royal is not good here
[09:19] <hajour> i am going to the table from name tags Daniel0108
[09:19] <Daniel0108> hajour: now?
[09:21] <Daniel0108> hajour: are you still in the hall?
[09:24] <Daniel0108> hi ivanka
[09:24] <Daniel0108> hajour?
[09:25] <hajour> Daniel0108,  i am close by the name tag table
[09:25] <Daniel0108> okay
[09:25] <Daniel0108> hajour: I'm coming
[09:27] <hajour> i not no how you look Daniel0108
[09:30] <hajour> TheMuso, is the maker frokm orca if i am right Daniel
[09:30] <hajour> from
[09:35] <UndiFineD> hajour, lees je pm
[09:43] <TheMuso> hajour: No.
[09:46] <Daniel0108> I'm back, hajour
[09:49] <kinouchou> no accessibility session today?
[09:50] <TheMuso> No sessions specific to accessibility I believe, but the Unity 2D session will have accessibility discussion.
[09:51] <kinouchou> and an informal meeting?
[09:52] <TheMuso> No meetings formal or informal that I know of.
[09:53] <Pendulum> wow, really impressed with the number of people signed to go to the Invisible Exhibition
[09:53] <Cheri703> Pendulum: do you have that link handy?
[09:54] <Pendulum> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/949/detail/
[09:54] <Cheri703> thanks
[10:22] <AlanBell> TheMuso: is the blind chap from linaro on the list for the invisible exhibition yet?
[10:36] <TheMuso> AlanBell: I don't know, I'd have to have a look.
[10:38] <Cheri703> there is another blind gentleman here, works for canonical. I mentioned the exhibit to him, not sure if he is wanting to go
[10:42] <Daniel0108> TheMuso: are you here?
[10:42] <TheMuso> Daniel0108: Yes, I am currently in Dery in the Unity 2D session.
[10:43] <Daniel0108> TheMuso: oh, okay, I'm going to be in the LoCo directory session at 12:00 AM
[10:44] <Cheri703> Daniel0108: I am going to be there as well
[10:44] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: oh okay, I missed the two first sessions :/
[10:44] <Cheri703> :/
[10:44] <Daniel0108> It's my first UDS, lol
[10:44] <Cheri703> mine too!
[10:44] <Daniel0108> and the long Keynode messed the schedule up :P
[10:44] <Daniel0108> Cheri703: where are you?
[10:45] <Cheri703> I'm in the session about maturity ratings, room arany, though I may duck out a few minutes early
[10:46] <Cheri703> I'm in as Cheri703 and cheri703-mobile, I'll get pinged on both on my phone once my computer is back in its bag :)
[10:47]  * TheMuso is heading to the image media space session, i.e the session at 12:00 in Elod.
[10:50]  * TheMuso now needs to find elod...
[13:01]  * Cheri703 isn't going to the plenary sessions
[13:34] <hajour> wanted to let you know i talked with someone from canonical this afternoon and they want to use browserspeak for the buttons in above bar from the screen
[13:34] <hajour> pleia2, ^
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> In above bar from the screen?
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> You mean the top panel?
[13:36] <MrChrisDruif> hajour; ^
[13:36] <hajour> yes MrChrisDruif
[13:37] <hajour> just had have a talk from i think more then a half hour
[13:37] <MrChrisDruif> Button....you mean the globalmenu?
[13:38] <hajour> not remember anymore but they go come to here or to speechcontrol if they had more questions
[13:39] <hajour> TheMuso,  see above lines about browserspeak
[13:39] <hajour> i not yet have found you TheMuso
[13:39] <hajour> my laptop is still not full charged
[13:40] <hajour> so i need to leave in the hotel room
[13:40] <hajour> but the cleaning lady is here to clean up the room so i stay till see is finished
[13:41] <hajour> mhall119,  have you read above lines?
[13:41] <hajour> conninical part
[13:42] <hajour> canonical i mean
[13:44] <mhall119> hajour: just read it, but I'm not involved in desktop development, so I'm not sure how I caould be involved
[13:44] <hajour> it was just sharing the good news mh:)
[13:45] <hajour> mhall119,
[13:45] <hajour> i not need help with that now
[13:45] <hajour> only i not know my way around here.
[13:46] <hajour> feeling som lost here downstairs by the readingrooms
[13:47] <hajour> i need to put out my laptop else it never go charge up
[13:47] <mhall119> hajour: sorry, I'm on the 4th floor working with my team, not downstairs in the sessions
[13:48] <hajour> well i go soon downstairs again. long i keep it up anyway.
[13:54] <hajour> hi Pendulum  :) just have spoken to person from canonical.and they want to go use browserspeak for top panel and things like that
[13:54] <AlanBell> how would that work?
[13:56] <hajour> he said if you use the click the button then right away would speak out loud the function
[13:56] <hajour> i have told if he got questions he can come here or in speechcontrol AlanBell
[13:56] <Pendulum> hajour: do you know who you talked to?
[13:57] <AlanBell> ok, so looking at the code for browserspeak it is some javascript plugins for chrome/firefox with a dependency on openmary (hardcoded to one running on localhost)
[13:57] <hajour> not remember my laptop battery was empty
[13:57] <hajour> so i could not make a note
[13:58] <AlanBell> the unity sidebar isn't rendered by a browser and openmary isn't in debian yet so I am not sure how browserspeak could be used in this context
[13:58] <hajour> but he said we would talk later this week again
[13:58] <hajour> i not know or he was from unity AlanBell  or is unity the same like canonical?
[13:59] <hajour> AlanBell, ^
[13:59] <AlanBell> Unity is the user interface to the Ubuntu desktop
[13:59] <hajour> but its good right? or not?
[14:00] <UndiFineD> wow hajour nice work
[14:00] <hajour> now i go doubt if i it was good honest say
[14:00] <hajour> :)
[14:01] <AlanBell> not sure, I am still a bit confused, but if you send people here that would be great
[14:02] <AlanBell> this is the code we are talking about right? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~speechcontrol-devel/browserspeak/trunk/files
[14:03] <hajour> also i have introduced daniel0108 by them because they already further with touchtables .its arranged someone who speaks german will learn daniel0108 more from it
[14:03] <hajour> that person kis also from canonical
[14:03] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, I think they want to use openmary to speak the buttons
[14:03] <hajour> -k
[14:03] <hajour> yes UndiFineD
[14:03] <hajour> that i mean
[14:04] <AlanBell> that would be a bad idea if not going through speech dispatcher
[14:04] <UndiFineD> of course the would be done via SD
[14:04] <hajour> they go use speech dispather
[14:04] <UndiFineD> but I think the person was convinced of the voice qualities
[14:04] <hajour> i told about libopenmary and openmary and espeak orca ect.
[14:05] <hajour> i am better with speaking then write AlanBell
[14:05] <hajour> at least its now more coming
[14:05] <hajour> needed first to adjust more
[14:06] <AlanBell> yup, hope you are enjoying it all
[14:06] <AlanBell> do try and grab names of interesting people you talk to
[14:07] <hajour> need my laptop if i want write names :(
[14:08] <AlanBell> where is your laptop?
[14:08] <hajour> everytime i think i talk to someone from ubuntu it later seams to be someone from canonical
[14:08] <hajour> here in hotelroom it needed to charge ala
[14:08] <Pendulum> hajour: well most Ubuntu people at UDS are also Canonical employees
[14:08] <hajour> battery was very low
[14:10] <hajour> then i was go downstairs without laptop and just run in to the person from canonical see above
[14:10] <hajour> i talk more easy in some small groups then in big groups
[14:11] <hajour> hee leoquant
[14:12] <TheMuso> hajour: Most of the discussion rooms have power strips that you can plug into.
[14:13] <hajour> ok so i can take laptop with me TheMuso
[14:13] <TheMuso> Yes.
[14:14] <hajour> also i not know what is standing on the doors :(
[14:14] <hajour> TheMuso, ^
[14:14] <TheMuso> I don't know what you mean either.
[14:15] <hajour> on the doors are standing words but its hard to read
[14:16] <hajour> anyway i go to downstairs now i not have come to here to stay on a hotelroom
[17:07] <cprofitt> hello all
[17:07] <AlanBell> hi cprofitt
[17:08] <Cheri703> hi cprofitt
[17:08] <cprofitt> good sessions today AlanBell -- miss being there
[17:08] <cprofitt> for the most part the audio was good, but being there allows for discussions after the session
[17:09] <AlanBell> I am not there either
[17:31] <UndiFineD> eh
[17:31] <UndiFineD> how can we have 2 accessibility meeting at the same time tomorrow ?
[17:35] <AlanBell> UndiFineD: they will move apart, don't worry
[17:35] <maco> AlanBell: not without interference
[17:36] <maco> the Qt one was manually put there because it used to be at 4-am-my-time and i'm the one going to be doing most of that
[17:37] <AlanBell> yeah, they must both have been manually scheduled, I will arrange some interference
[17:38] <AlanBell> anyone object to the community one moving?
[17:39] <UndiFineD> better apart then together
[17:41] <Pendulum> fine by me, although is there any way you can find out who manually scheduled it in the first place so that you can figure out what other conditions might need to be fulfilled?
[17:44] <AlanBell> it would have been done by jcastro or jono
[17:49] <maco> the Qt one was ScottK
[19:56] <hajour> i lost connection but i go sleep now goodnight all
[21:26] <phillw> ;terminal
[21:45] <Cheri703> did anyone notice that 2 accessibility sessions are scheduled concurrently tomorrow?
[21:49] <AlanBell> Cheri703: yes
[21:49] <Cheri703> ok, is that ok? there are actually 3 sessions that hour that I want to go to :/
[21:50] <AlanBell> not OK, if you see jcastro or jono can you point it out to them please
[21:50] <AlanBell> the community one needs to move I think as the Kubuntu one is fixed for maco's availability
[21:50] <Cheri703> ok, yeah, I want to go to the community one too
[21:51] <maco> AlanBell: the kubuntu one can go an hour later as well
[21:51] <AlanBell> ok, good to know
[21:52] <Cheri703> so ideally all 3 would be on separate hours, yes?
[21:52] <Cheri703> oh, you're talking about a different one, nvm
[21:52] <AlanBell> jono should be able to sort it out, grab him before, during or after the community round table
[21:52] <Cheri703> kk
[22:10] <paul_h1> hi, anyone on here know anything about the kAccessibility screen reader?
[22:14] <AlanBell> maco: would be the one to talk to about that
[22:15] <maco> paul_h1: hello
[22:15] <maco> #kde-accessibility is actually probably better
[22:16] <maco> ive used kaccessible a little to test it out, but not much
[22:16] <paul_h1> maco: any idea if I could install it on a system running gnome to read qt apps for me?
[22:16] <maco> paul_h1: should work
[22:17] <maco> you need to export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 before running the Qt apps
[22:17] <maco> so you could do:    QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 kmail
[22:17] <maco> for example
[22:18] <paul_h1> QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1 virtualbox-ose
[22:19] <maco> i haven't tried it with vbox yet, so let me know how that goes
[22:19] <maco> should also be a way to set the environment variable in gnome session startup, but i don't know it
[22:20] <maco> maybe in ~/.gnomerc, but i don't know if that's still how it's done (im seeing it in c. 2004-2005 posts)
[22:24] <paul_h1> maco: hmmm not getting anything. what speech synthesizer is it meant to use?
[22:28] <maco> paul_h1: espeak i think. however it is possible that there is a tray icon that you can't see in the tray that if you open it will drop out a menu with a checkbox to turn on speech
[22:28] <maco> note to self: sort out how to make kaccessible start turned *on*
[22:34] <paul_h1> maco: oh right. yeah tray always been problematic
[22:35] <paul_h1> maco: guess I'll have to setup my vm's from the command line :)


[06:48] <gdh> No idea about ndiswrapper.
[06:49] <hunger> Is ndiswrapper even legal?
[06:49] <gdh> Probably as legal as Wine is...
[06:49] <SuperCatFrog> hunger - in the uk it probably is
[06:49] <Blissex> hunger: sort of... Nobody has complained so far.
[06:49] <hunger> ndiswrapper is GPL, isen't it?
[06:50] <gdh> it's up to whatever license you get the Windows NDIS drivers under.
[06:50] <SuperCatFrog> also, is there any difference between ubuntu (after apt-get install kde) and kubuntu? im not sure if i'd rather use ubuntu with kde
[06:50] <hunger> So why may you use it to load non-free drivers?
[06:50] <Blissex> SuperCatFrog: however 'ndiswrapper' is a bad bad idea. It is easier/cheaper to just get a supported WiFi device.
[06:50] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, you'd want apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; not apt-get install kde
[06:50] <gdh> hunger: Why isn't Ark non-free because you *might* use it to open .RARs of warez?
[06:51] <Blissex> hunger: remember the non-GPL driver exception for the Linux kernel itself...
[06:51] <SuperCatFrog> blissex - i cant do that, im installing it on my cusins computer, im not paying for a new wireless card for him, and he wont want to buy one
[06:51] <randabis> apt-get install kde would be overkill
[06:51] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - why?
[06:52] <Blissex> SuperCatFrog: Possibly, possibly also try Kanotix or Knoppix if KUbuntu does not do that.
[06:52] <hunger> gdh: With ndiswrapper you are loading non-free code into the the address space of GPL code... that is not allowed in the GPL. Opening non-free data is different.
[06:52] <randabis> it would install EVERY kde package iirc..including kdetoys, kdeaddons, etc, etc
[06:52] <randabis> you'd have a mass of bloat
[06:52] <gdh> hunger: OK, I have no idea how it works internally :)
[06:52] <hunger> Blissex: Is ther such a exception in ndiswrapper?
[06:52] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - thats fine by me
[06:53] <randabis> but not for people wishing to save on disk space, and not for people who do not wish to have packages they'd never use
[06:53] <randabis> kubuntu aims to balance things out, as ubuntu does with the gnome desktop
[06:53] <gdh> Nice catch 22 :)
[06:53] <hunger> Stupid that...
[06:54] <gdh> reboot time =)
[06:54] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, ndiswrapper should work fine if the card is supported by it...you'd just need to get the ndiswrapper-utils package, and a copy of the windows drivers
[06:56] <randabis> I have ndiswrapper working on my laptop for instance...well, it works, but I cannot get connected to my network now for some reason ever since we switched to WEP.
[06:57] <randabis> wireless is working fine with the atmel drivers on my desktop though :)
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> randabis - how can i install ndiswrapper-utils without a network connection?
[06:57] <randabis> SuperCatFrog, I believe the package is on the cd
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> o ok
[06:57] <SuperCatFrog> thanks
[06:58] <SuperCatFrog> would i be best with ubuntu+kde or kubuntu?
[06:58] <randabis> both are the same
[06:58] <SuperCatFrog> ok thanks
[06:58] <randabis> kubuntu is not a fork of ubuntu..it is part of ubuntu
[07:00] <gdh> Ah yes I see what people mean about the current dist-upgrade breakage :)
[07:00] <omni_lonnie> although ubuntu+kde will give you a bunch of gnome stuff, while kubuntu by it self doesn't...
[07:01] <randabis> that's true
[07:05] <azad> got a skystar 2, does anyone know how to get it working under linux? (that's a DVB card)
[07:06] <gdh> azad: You've looked at the linux-dvb list at linuxtv.org ?
[07:06] <azad> no i'll have a look and find out what this is
[07:07] <gdh> All the modules needed should already be in ubuntu - should only be a matter of loading them
[07:07] <gdh> I dunno if the SS2 needs any firmware, etc.
[07:09] <azad> hm
[07:10] <azad> gdh i found an entry with my card.. does my graphics card 3d acceleration and so on have to work?
[07:10] <Riddell> lunitik: part of kwin package
[07:10] <azad> cause i never handled to get the radeon running
[07:11] <gdh> azad: No, the SS2 is a budget card - it only provides a data stream
[07:11] <lunitik> Riddell: hmm... where do I configure it?
[07:11] <azad> okay
[07:11] <gdh> whether or not your 2D display is up to showing full screen video is fairly irrelevant :)
[07:11] <azad> mh okay
[07:11] <azad> so then.. i think i have to get a programm to watch?
[07:12] <lunitik> Riddell: nm... I think I found it  :)
[07:12] <gdh> Yeh, I'm not so sure about all those apps - I have a full DVB card and use VDR...
[07:12] <gdh> I know nothing about the 'WinTV' style apps..
[07:12] <azad> VDR is an application that would work?
[07:12] <gdh> azad: No, VDR's intended for building a standalone set top box, it's probably not what you're after.
[07:13] <azad> mhh
[07:13] <gdh> It also would need you to configure some kind of software MPEG2 decoder plugin.
[07:13] <gdh> messy
[07:13] <Roey> heya
[07:13] <azad> oh.. well.. then i'll give google a chance to find something
[07:13] <_P_> i am  going  to  hate  amarok
[07:14] <azad> thanks gdh :)
[07:14] <_P_> everytime i start  this program  it  scann  al  my  HD building i don't know  why
[07:14] <gdh> azad: Good luck :)
[07:14] <gdh> _P_: I already do and went back to beep-media-player :)
[07:14] <gdh> It's at least GTK2 based...
[07:14] <_P_> uff
[07:15] <omni_lonnie> _P_: yah! iI noticed that too...  I wonder why?
[07:15] <omni_lonnie> amaroK also uses *huge* amounts of RAM.
[07:15] <_P_> ah  so  it not only  my  problem?
[07:15] <_P_> uhmmm
[07:15] <_P_> i was  thinking  about  some  strange  setting
[07:17] <omni_lonnie> _P_: nope... :)
[07:17] <omni_lonnie> well, I didn't see any place to turn off "hog all my RAM" ;)
[07:18] <omni_lonnie> so if you find it, let me know
[07:19] <_P_> ;) ok
[07:19] <_P_> find it
[07:19] <_P_> it is  a  small  cross  on the  right up  corner
[07:19] <_P_> :D
[07:20] <omni_lonnie> :D
[07:22] <_P_> amaroK has crashed! We're terribly sorry about this :(:(
[07:22] <_P_>
[07:22] <_P_> But, all is not lost! You could potentially help us fix the crash. amaroK has
[07:22] <_P_> attached a backtrace that describes the crash, so just click send, or if you
[07:22] <_P_> have time, write a brief description of how the crash happened first.
[07:22] <_P_>
[07:22] <randabis> In Soviet Russia, RAM uses YOU!
[07:22] <_P_> Many thanks.
[07:22] <_P_>
[07:22] <_P_> Engine:   arts-engine
[07:22] <_P_> Build date: Mar 8 2005
[07:22] <_P_> CC version: 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[07:22] <_P_> KDElibs:  3.4.0
[07:22] <_P_> TagLib:   1.3.1
[07:22] <_P_> that s all :(
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> hi
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> any people?
[07:23] <omni_lonnie> hello :)
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> :)
[07:23] <_TeRmInEt_> nice to meet u
[07:23] <omni_lonnie> likewise...
[07:24] <gdh> Where's .sm ?
[07:24] <gdh> Surinam?
[07:24] <_TeRmInEt_> southern europe
[07:24] <_TeRmInEt_> into italy
[07:24] <gdh> ah, cool :)
[07:25] <_TeRmInEt_> :)
[07:25] <_TeRmInEt_> one question, can I change language setting in to kubuntu?
[07:26] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: from en to other ?
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> yes
[07:26] <_P_> _TeRmInEt_:  yes
[07:26] <gsuveg> yes
[07:26] <gdh> http://kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/
[07:26] <_P_> but in this  days  there is  a problem  with kde-in18-XX  pacets
[07:26] <_P_> *packets
[07:26] <gdh> Most of the regional packages are broken in the release...
[07:26] <gdh> download new ones from that URL
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> ah
[07:26] <_TeRmInEt_> cool
[07:27] <_TeRmInEt_> i try to download correct version
[07:27] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: it works
[07:28] <gsuveg> gdh: san marino
[07:28] <gdh> Ah! :)
[07:30] <_P_> thanks  gdh
[07:30] <_P_> it  works
[07:56] <nydust> how do i change the resolution?
[07:56] <nydust> on my screen?
[07:56] <gdh> how would you do it in windows?
[07:57] <nydust> i only get a choise to change the background
[07:58] <gdh> on theleft you have 'Background' 'Behavior' ...... 'Display'
[07:58] <gdh> try 'Display'
[08:00] <aghaster> it would be kool if more development tools where included with kubuntu
[08:00] <nydust> thanks
[08:08] <nydust> strange i used 1400xsomething before i did and apt-get dist-upgrade, and now i can only use 1024x768 cause if a go for an higher resolution. I get and big box on my mouse and the screen splits in two parts. do any have a tip?
[08:08] <cmf> hi, running kubuntu here, one problem i've noticed is concerning mounted samba shares, after a while of it being mounted it seems to stall, at first it was just bringing konqy down (or amarok), now it brings teh entire system down, this seemed to happen in 2.6.10, so i upgraded to 2.6.11 and still teh same behaviour, anyone know of something similair, i had some output from dmesg, but not wanting to bring my system down atm, i'll see if teh lo
[08:08] <_TeRmInEt_> great, it work!
[08:09] <_TeRmInEt_> gdh much tnx!
[08:10] <gdh> =)
[08:12] <gsuveg> how can i choose beetwen gdm and kdm ?
[08:13] <gdh> gsuveg: update-alternatives will work
[08:13] <gdh> or just fiddle the symlinks manually in /etc/alternatives for 'x-display-manager'
[08:13] <gdh> sorry, x-session-manager
[08:14] <gdh> I think :)
[08:14] <gsuveg> gdh: lemme see
[08:14] <gsuveg> a debconf or other dont works?
[08:14] <gdh> or...
[08:14] <gdh> just uninstall the one that you don't want
[08:14] <gsuveg> i dont whant
[08:15] <gsuveg> gdh: alternative ok
[08:16] <gsuveg> not
[08:16] <gsuveg> x-session-manager = gnome-session dont gdm
[08:17] <gsuveg> i whant start kdm dont gdm
[08:17] <gdh> change it to run startkde instead of gnome-session
[08:17] <gdh> that's what it does on my system
[08:17] <gdh> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 17 2005-03-28 17:51 x-session-manager -> /usr/bin/startkde
[08:18] <gsuveg> and you login via kdm?
[08:18] <gdh> yes
[08:20] <gsuveg> lemme see
[08:21] <gsuveg> gdh: sorry for newbie questions, im test kde now
[08:22] <gdh> =)
[08:22] <gsuveg> last version what i used was 1.3
[08:22] <gdh> wow that's quit a vintage..
[08:22] <gsuveg> yepp.
[08:22] <gsuveg> i was a p233 laptop and on netbsd
[08:28] <froud> any of the Kubuntu graphic guys here
[08:32] <gsuveg> gdh: hmm. gdm start after reboot too
[08:34] <gdh> why not just apt-get remove gdm
[08:34] <gdh> :)
[08:34] <gsuveg> then it remove ubuntu-desktop :/
[08:35] <gdh> no it won't
[08:35] <gdh> it's only a meta-package
[08:35] <gdh> I guarantee you that it won't pull out your entire system :)
[08:36] <gdh> It scared me a bit at first when I saw the Debian equivalent of it wanting to uninstall 'x-window-system'
[08:36] <randabis> ubuntu-desktop is safe to remove
[08:36] <randabis> so is kubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <gdh> there you go - two complete strangers have said it's OK, so it must be OK :)
[08:39] <randabis> lol
[08:39] <gsuveg> randabis: i dont remove gnome
[08:40] <randabis> well the main reason is because those packages don't actually contain any data...they just have a number of dependencies that aren't removed when you remove the meta package
[08:40] <randabis> gsuveg, what I said has nothing to do with removing gnome
[08:48] <gsuveg> randabis: ok.
[09:21] <randabis> http://img17.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img17&image=snapshot55vk.jpg
[09:24] <buz> is that xorg with composite?
[09:25] <randabis> yes
[09:25] <gsuveg> gdh: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[09:25] <zyga> ha, I Know ;]
[09:25] <buz> what vga card? nvidia
[09:25] <buz> ?
[09:25] <randabis> nvidia geforce fx 5900
[09:26] <buz> aaah
[09:26] <buz> ati still can't do composite :-((
[09:27] <randabis> hence why I don't have an ati card
[09:30] <gdh> gsuveg: Ha, cool :)
[09:30] <gsuveg> better than remove :)
[09:30] <gsuveg> gdh: hey, the kde dont bad ;)
[09:31] <gdh> you do realise that you can just tie the chroma + luma pins of an S-video output together and it wil be usable as composite?
[09:31] <gdh> that's all the 'S-video -> composite' adapters you can buy will do
[09:31] <randabis> haha
[09:31] <gsuveg> gdh: whats the good mp3 player ?
[09:31] <gsuveg> amarok?
[09:31] <randabis> we're not talking about that kind of composite gdh
[09:31] <gdh> gsuveg: I like beep-media-player.
[09:32] <randabis> we're talking about the compositing feature of x.org
[09:32] <gdh> Oh =)
[09:32] <randabis> the screenshot of my desktop I posted shows it in action with kubuntu
[09:32] <gdh> I was wondering.. who on earth is still using composite video thesdays
[09:32] <randabis> lol
[09:32] <gdh> ah right, eye candy then =)
[09:32] <dimmak> my 8-bit nintendo
[09:32] <randabis> yes :)
[09:32] <gdh> k, time to eat.. bbl
[09:33] <Roey> dimmak:   awww man
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  nintendo NES... what memories
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  I *love* it
[09:34] <Roey> dimmak:  in many ways more than SNES
[09:34] <dimmak> really... i don't even compare/contrast those consoles
[09:34] <dimmak> i just play all the lovely games
[09:35] <dimmak> moreso via emulators now
[09:35] <buz> lately tried some n64 emus on the beamer
[09:35] <spiral> hello...
[09:35] <buz> sure rocks to play micromachines on a 2m screen LOL
[09:36] <spiral> I've got some problems with i18n in french... is it normal ?
[09:36] <buz> it was broken earlier today
[09:36] <buz> might still be
[09:37] <gsuveg> gdh: beep have no arts ?
[09:37] <buz> is it bad form to request package additions in bugzilla?
[09:37] <Kamion> yes, mailing lists better for that
[09:37] <Kamion> at least that's how we prefer it in Ubuntu
[09:38] <spiral> does anyone here have a sonoma ?
[09:38] <buz> is the kde upgrade of today working or will it nuke my taskbar again?
[09:38] <spiral> buz: all right...
[09:38] <buz> maybe backup my home first ;-)
[09:39] <buz> once burnt twice shy
[09:40] <spiral> none with a sonoma ?
[09:41] <hunger> spiral: Ordered mine, don't have it yet.
[09:42] <spiral> hunger: 'm going to buy one tomorrow... & wanted to know if there was any hope with linux...
[09:42] <hunger> spiral: Don't know yet:-(
[09:43] <spiral> hunger: all right, I'll keep asking somewhere else... hope I'll know
[09:43] <buz> does sonoma use a new wlan chipset?
[09:43] <hunger> spiral: Keep me informed.
[09:43] <spiral> hunger: all right
[09:43] <hunger> buz: Nope. same as centrino.
[09:43] <spiral> buz: except some 802.11a configurations...
[09:44] <buz> just cpu upgrade?
[09:44] <hunger> buz: Only the chipset did change.
[09:44] <buz> aaah
[09:44] <buz> ah yeah it went to 533fsb
[09:44] <spiral> buz: yes, chipset, and cpu speedsteping working kind of differently, and ddr2, and pci expres
[09:44] <hunger> buz: PCI express, other RAM chips, that kind of thing
[09:44] <buz> if the graphics core is supported i'd say it should work
[09:45] <buz> pci express should be pretty transparent to the os
[09:45] <hunger> buz: I hope so:-)
[09:45] <spiral> buz: I found a nvidia card... hope their driver will work
[09:45] <buz> it should
[09:45] <spiral> and for speedstepping... I hope to...
[09:45] <spiral> too
[09:45] <hunger> buz: I think I saw some pci express fixes to the kernel recently.
[09:45] <buz> i'd expect it to be mostly the same
[09:46] <buz> well maybe to take full advantage of pcie you nee dupdates
[09:46] <buz> but from what i hear, win can do without them so linux should work as well
[09:48] <hunger> buz: I just hope I'll find graphic drivers when I got the new laptop.
[09:48] <spiral> buz: I love your optimism
[09:48] <spiral> hunger: I hope too
[09:48] <buz> hey i like the bleeding edge ;-)
[09:48] <buz> well if you go nvidia it shouldn't be much of a problem
[09:48] <buz> i'd stay away from ati
[09:48] <hunger> buz: Mine will have a ATI :-(
[09:49] <buz> no composite for you then ;-)
[09:49] <buz> neither for me
[09:49] <buz> but i need a new box anyway
[09:49] <hunger> buz: There is a new free driver over at sf.
[09:49] <buz> gatos?
[09:49] <hunger> buz: r300.sf.net
[09:49] <buz> aaah, i got R250
[09:49] <buz> besides i'm too lazy to buld from source
[09:49] <buz> it's a major pain on debian systems
[09:50] <hunger> buz: Is it? Don't they have the module-assistent?
[09:50] <buz> i don't care
[09:50] <buz> everything worse than make, make install is bad to a long time bsd user ;-)
[09:51] <buz> (which of course includes fetching the whole dependencies etc ;-)
[09:51] <hunger> buz: That includes almost everything!
[09:51] <hunger> buz: you get a configure in almost everything... and you need to download first.
[09:51] <buz> na
[09:51] <buz> bsd ports do that all for me
[09:52] <buz> like gentoo, only working ;-)
[09:52] <hunger> buz: Heared that... what are you doing with ubuntu then?
[09:52] <buz> freebsd's desktop support ain't that good
[09:52] <hunger> gentoo sucks big time! Don't compare *BSD to that:-)
[09:52] <buz> it's not bad per se but no supported java sucks
[09:53] <buz> and i need to code java for school
[09:53] <buz> so i stick to ubuntu for the time being
[09:57] <randabis> gentoo doesn't suck
[09:57] <buz> it only takes ages to get up and running
[09:58] <randabis> not really
[09:58] <randabis> I can get a working gentoo system going in under a day starting from stage 1...with a full gnome environment
[09:58] <buz> what you got? quad opteron?
[09:59] <randabis> start from stage 3 and the time easily is cut in half
[09:59] <randabis> SYSTEM i686 Ubuntu GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.10-5-k7, GLIBC 2.3.2 | CPU AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+, 2205Mhz, 512KB Cache, 4358 BMIPs | RAM 272/504MB Used | SWAP 18/1024MB Used | STORAGE 5.0MB TmpFS, 9.9GB Ext3, 9.9GB unknown, 38GB Ext3, 74GB Ext3, 94MB Ext3, 253MB TmpFS | STATS Uptime 2.61, Users 1/3, Procs 100/57569, Load 0.95 | X11 1280x1024x24bit | http://auk.ca/v
[10:01] <gdh> buz: I got the PocketPC Konnector going :)
[10:02] <buz> you dont happen to have syncml now do you?
[10:02] <gdh> buz: That 'pocketpccommuniction' is already defunct....
[10:02] <gdh> I forget what syncml is again
[10:02] <gdh> but I haven't needed it today
[10:02] <buz> it's like a standard for syncing all sorts of stuff
[10:02] <buz> mostly for mobile phones these days
[10:02] <gdh> Ahh.. no my PDA is my phone.. etc.. deja vu :)
[10:03] <buz> yeah only mine runs symbian ;-)
[10:03] <gdh> the compile was less of a nightmare than I thought it'd be
[10:03] <gdh> and it doesn't work well but I think that's more teething with new PPC2003 devices
[10:07] <Bizzeh> hey
[10:08] <Bizzeh> im runing kdevelop, and whenever i try and compile, i keep getting AM_PROG_LIBTOOL not found in library
[10:09] <_P_> there is someone  using kaffeine  on amd?
[10:10] <_P_> is it  crashing  on closing?
[10:10] <buz> _P_: works for me on athlon xp
[10:10] <_P_> the  last  version?
[10:10] <_P_> 0.6.0 ?
[10:11] <_P_> find  on repository today?
[10:11] <buz> 0.6 yeah
[10:11] <_P_> uhmmm
[10:11] <buz> mhh didnt restart it so far
[10:11] <randabis> kaffeine is working just fine with an athlon xp on this end
[10:11] <_P_> thanks
[10:11] <gdh> Kopete crashes at each close (i.e. shutdown) but I'm used to that :)
[10:11] <gdh> Not at all related, I know..
[10:11] <buz> plays streams just fine
[10:12] <Bizzeh> can i use a kernel specialy compiled for athlon-xp in vmware (were the host hardware is an athlon-xp)
[10:13] <buz> mhh hard to tell
[10:13] <buz> id should work
[10:13] <buz> but you'll have to try i guess
[10:14] <gdh> I doubt it... vmware will be emulating a Pentium, or maybe a 486 that just happens to run really fast :)
[10:15] <gdh> I can't see it passing through all the manufacturer-specific extensions to the guest OS
[10:16] <_P_> :(
[10:16] <LeeJunFan> my kaffeine doesn't close properly - it leaves itself in ram after I close it - and thats on i386 version.
[10:17] <_P_> i deleted  .kde/config/kaffeinerc
[10:17] <_P_> but is  sill crash  closing
[10:17] <_P_> i close the  application
[10:17] <gdh> LeeJunFan: And it's not just hiding in the ashtray?
[10:17] <gdh> sorry, system tray :)
[10:17] <buz> i doubt vmware will be emulating a 486
[10:17] <_P_> it  disappiared  but  stay  on bg
[10:17] <buz> that's a seriously weird cpu
[10:17] <_P_> with  100% cpu
[10:17] <_P_> oooooooo
[10:17] <LeeJunFan> gdh: nope - hehe. I actually had about 15 running my cpu up to 100% I had to killall.
[10:18] <_P_> LeeJunFan:  me  too
[10:18] <gdh> classy :)
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> man - I think we finally broke 40 deg F here in Northern Mi!
[10:19] <_P_> gdh  is  not  a  systray related  problem
[10:20] <gdh> OK I belive you =)
[10:28] <Curalton> i have a problem with software suspend, namely that when i call swsuspend while i use "synergy" it immediately comes back up.
[10:28] <Curalton> synergy is a kb sharing app, uses XTEST extension of the Xserver, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/about.html
[10:41] <spiral> bye
[10:41] <anna> Hey, today kde-i18n has received an update, but it doesn't work, right?
[10:42] <anna> Now in kcontrol I can see the other language(s), but I cannot get them activated
[10:42] <buz> anna: get the required packages from kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/
[10:42] <buz> those work
[10:44] <anna> I wonder if Kubuntu is less than Debian unstable looking at the last days :p
[10:44] <buz> well its only a preview after all
[10:45] <coruja> remember that kubuntu ist still in 'prerelease' status :)
[10:45] <coruja> *g*
[10:45] <gsuveg> how can i put trash to dekstop?
[10:45] <anna> well, yes I do, but Debian unstable never gets released and didn't do those things to me
[10:45] <anna> 1. Kill my i18n, even after an update
[10:45] <anna> 2. Kill my kicker config in an update
[10:45] <gsuveg> anna: im today installed the kde, and im happy with it
[10:46] <coruja> anna: huh?
[10:46] <anna> I am used to update daily and not find anything broken.
[10:46] <Bizzeh> whats a good gui irc app for linux and where would it be in apt?
[10:46] <gdh> Bizzeh: Konversation is good
[10:46] <anna> Not of the obvious kind at least.
[10:47] <gdh> Bizzeh: You also have the choice of using Kopete's IRC module.
[10:47] <gdh> and I dunno if KSIRC is in Ubuntu
[10:47] <anna> 3. I still cannot install kdeaddons on amd64, why?
[10:47] <coruja> anna: the trouble with the locale settings, i agree, but beyond this, i had no more trouble according to the kde-i18n...
[10:47] <buz> gdh: it is
[10:47] <buz> but i'd suggest konversation
[10:48] <anna> buz: There is no kde-i18n-de on that URL?
[10:48] <ataxic> a qt/kde frontend for irssi would be nice
[10:48] <anna> buz: Ignore me :p
[10:48] <ataxic> :)
[10:48] <buz> there is
[10:48] <buz> it's just hard to find ;-)
[10:48] <ataxic> there isn't
[10:49] <coruja> http://www.kubuntu.org/~halls/pkgs/kde-i18n/kde-i18n-de_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[10:49] <anna> coruja: At some time, kmail stopped starting e.g.
[10:49] <coruja> hmm
[10:50] <_darren> this works
[10:50] <coruja> maybe because of your 64bit machine? i don't know what (k)ubuntu's support there is like...
[10:50] <gsuveg> how can i put trash to dekstop?
[10:51] <Riddell> gsuveg: right click -> create new -> link to location -> trash:/
[10:52] <gsuveg> Riddell: it put a link, btu trash:/ not ok :/
[10:53] <_TeRmInEt_> break news
[10:53] <_TeRmInEt_> new tsunami in asia
[10:54] <_TeRmInEt_> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/28/indonesia.quake/index.html
[10:54] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: omg
[10:55] <gsuveg> Riddell: hmm?
[10:55] <tony> Hello, i'm trying to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file but I cannot save..
[10:56] <gsuveg> toffy: sudo ...
[10:56] <tony> I'm using kate...
[10:56] <tony> How does sudo work?
[10:56] <gsuveg> kdesu ?
[11:01] <coruja> argh, disconnect...
[11:01] <coruja> gsuveg: /home/<user>/.local/share/Trash
[11:01] <coruja> tony: have you edited the sources' file starting with sudo?
[11:01] <coruja> (if those haven't appeared yet *g*)
[11:02] <gsuveg> coruja: it works. thanks
[11:03] <coruja> :)
[11:03] <gsuveg> coruja: interresing. the icon dont change if trash dont empty ?
[11:04] <coruja> in the panel it does, on the desktop i don't know...
[11:04] <gsuveg> coruja: ok. but i dont like it in panel (after gnome) ;)
[11:04] <gsuveg> np
[11:05] <coruja> i like it very much there, as otherwise the desktop icon would be hidden by several windows... ;)
[11:06] <gsuveg> coruja: right
[11:07] <tony> how do I signon as root?
[11:07] <pepsi> why do you want to?
[11:08] <pepsi> you cant get a root terminal by `sudo -s`
[11:08] <pepsi> er, can ;)
[11:08] <tony> apt-get install kdetv
[11:08] <coruja> tony: try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:08] <coruja> erm
[11:08] <coruja> sudo <whatever you want> *g*
[11:09] <gsuveg> coruja: i like the apps icon in panel. its very usable
[11:10] <coruja> gsuveg: yes, but not too many... just today i've seen a windows machine with about 50 apps icons in the panel, as i had windows, there have been even more... ;)
[11:11] <gsuveg> coruja: i spoke dont apps starter.
[11:11] <gsuveg> coruja: thats not news ;)
[11:11] <coruja> ah, ok
[11:12] <coruja> the icons for running apps?
[11:12] <gsuveg> coruja: yepp
[11:12] <coruja> yes, that's also a fine feature, especially with kde-based ones...
[11:13] <gsuveg> can i edit menu in kde ?
[11:15] <coruja> with kmenu? (do i remember right?)
[11:16] <gdh> kmenuedit
[11:16] <gsuveg> thanks
[11:17] <gdh> right click on the K button is broken :)
[11:17] <gsuveg> ok.
[11:20] <tony> Hello, I'm trying to install kdetv I get the message: kdetv: Depends: libzvbi0 (>= 0.2.9-2) but it is not installable
[11:20] <tony> Any ideas??
[11:21] <gdh> try and install  libzvbi0 directly - might give more hints
[11:21] <gdh> chances are you'll have to follow that down a chain of broken depends
[11:21] <tony> I'm a noob, how do I do that?
[11:23] <tony> Are there any other TV applications?
[11:23] <haggai> tony: sudo apt-get install libzvbi0
[11:24] <tony> This is the response: the package is missing, has been obsoleted
[11:25] <Riddell> tony: where do you get kdetv from?
[11:25] <tony> I followed the instructions at www.kdetv.org/
[11:26] <tony> it told me to update my sources.list
[11:26] <tony> apt-get update
[11:26] <tony> apt-get install kdetv
[11:27] <tony> Any ideas??
[11:31] <coruja> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/libs/libzvbi0 -> the package should be there, maybe really a dependency's problem, or something's wrong with your sources information...
[11:35] <gsuveg> tony: search in cache
[11:35] <gsuveg> apt-cache search tv | grep kde ?
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tale
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tali
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> dati
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> dite
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tedia
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> tedie
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> lati
[11:38] <_TeRmInEt_> alti
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> lete
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> lite
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> tela
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> teli
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> deli
[11:39] <gsuveg> _TeRmInEt_: he
[11:39] <Curalton> /ignore
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> vabb
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> sorry
[11:39] <gsuveg>  /kick
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> i'm wrong
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> query
[11:39] <_TeRmInEt_> -_-
[11:42] <tony> coruja - how do I install deb files?
[11:43] <gdh> dpkg -i filename.deb
[11:44] <gdh> just be ready for dpkg to complain loudly about broken dependencies...