[00:01] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en dlaczego tutaj tak cicho?
[00:01] <ChanSeba> why is it so quiet?
[06:36] <barlas> Hey
[06:36] <barlas> Anyone know of a (good) ssh connection manager for linux?
[06:36] <Kilos> hi barlas
[06:36] <barlas> Hi Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> look at this https://www.unixmen.com/how-to-manage-multiple-ssh-sessions-using-cluster-ssh-and-pac-manager/
[06:54] <ghjg> hi Researcher
[07:40] <barlas> Yeah, already tried pac manager. Looks ugly in the beginning but is quite powerful :)
[07:41] <barlas> Our system admin finally switched his personal machine from Windows to Linux, but he manages about 100+ machines.
[07:41] <barlas> He was using XShell on Windows, and was looking for a Linux alternative
[07:43] <barlas> hi ghjg
[07:43] <ghjg> yo
[08:00] <Kilos> hi ghjg
[08:00] <ghjg> wassup
[08:01] <Kilos> there are other ssh managers barlas just google ssh manager for linux
[08:02] <Kilos> might even be a better one
[08:27] <barlas> There's Gnome Connection Manager, there used to be a hotssh, then in commercial ones, there is SecureCRT
[08:28] <barlas> Found a Gnome 2 applet too
[08:28] <barlas> Haven't looked at kde-apps, there might be some script/plasmoid too.
[08:28] <barlas> PAC seems good enough for now though.
[08:31] <Kilos> ok
[08:41] <barlas> Thanks for the help
[08:41] <Kilos> anytime
[08:42] <Kilos> if you really get stuck feel free to ask on #ubuntu-za
[08:42] <ghjg> way ubuntu drain battery on macbook
[08:42] <ghjg> why
[08:42] <Kilos> just be patient sometimes the guys are very busy
[08:42] <barlas> :)
[08:43] <Kilos> ghjg google for answers there was a fix i saw the guys talking about some months ago
[08:43] <barlas> Kilos: What happened about that mailing list ownership?
[08:43] <Kilos> im waiting just for the LC to all vote on it
[08:43] <Kilos> canonical will do it if the council agrees
[08:44] <Kilos> so far all looks good
[08:44] <barlas> LC?
[08:44] <Kilos> LoCo Council
[08:44] <barlas> Okay
[08:44] <Kilos> they manage all LoCo issues
[08:45] <Kilos> but same thing with them, all busy, so at times it can take a week or more
[08:47] <barlas> No problem
[08:57] <lubmil> dzień
[08:57] <Kilos> hi lubmil
[08:57] <lubmil> hej Kilos
[09:22] <barlas> Hi lubmil
[09:22] <lubmil> hey barlas
[10:07] <Researcher> Hello everyone.
[10:07] <Researcher> hi barlas hi kilos
[10:07] <Researcher> hi lubmil
[10:07] <Researcher> hi ghjg
[10:08] <Researcher> hi pavlushka
[10:08] <Kilos> hi Researcher
[10:09] <Kilos> and RajRajRaj
[10:09] <pavlushka> Hello Researcher ! how are you?
[10:11] <lubmil> hej Researcher
[10:12] <Researcher> hej
[10:12] <Researcher> hi hi hi
[10:12] <Researcher> hi RajRajRaj
[10:12] <RajRajRaj> sorry Researcher  Kilos  i am busy right now
[10:12] <Kilos> np
[10:15] <Researcher> np prob guys
[10:15] <Researcher> i just came from a mosque
[10:15] <Researcher> :)
[10:15] <Researcher> i offered prayer
[10:15] <Researcher> now plan to go for a swimming
[10:15] <Researcher> :p
[10:17] <Researcher> hi mustu_
[10:17] <Kilos> enjoy
[10:19] <Researcher> tnx Kilos
[10:19] <Researcher> Kilos we have a new joining in here
[10:19] <Researcher> my friend an I.T graduate and linux sys admin will be here
[10:20] <Researcher> he will also apply for membership
[10:20] <Researcher> :)
[10:20] <Kilos> wonderful
[10:20] <Researcher> and his graduate group will also join here sooner or later
[10:21] <Researcher> this guy will also get involve into activities
[10:21] <Researcher> currently he works as a government employee
[10:21] <Researcher> may be yesterday u talked to him
[10:21] <Kilos> great
[10:21] <Kilos> what is his nick
[10:21] <Researcher> unfortunately i dont know his nick
[10:21] <Researcher> i jjust msg he is coming
[10:21] <Kilos> i chat to too many people all over the world
[10:22] <Researcher> he told me he chat with you and pav
[10:22] <Kilos> oh thats good them
[10:23] <Researcher> i just text him
[10:23] <Researcher> he will be joining in here soon
[10:23] <Kilos> cool
[10:23] <Researcher> rhct is in Dubai currently
[10:24] <Researcher> he went for final interview in MarkaVIP LLC
[10:24] <Researcher> an online e commerce shopping firm
[10:24] <Researcher> hi zaki
[10:26] <ahmed_bilal> hello
[10:26] <ahmed_bilal> anyone here?
[10:27] <Kilos> hi ahmed_bilal
[10:27] <ahmed_bilal> good day kilos
[10:27] <Kilos> welcome back
[10:27] <Researcher> hi ahmed_bilal
[10:27] <Researcher> welcome
[10:27] <Researcher> :)
[10:27] <Researcher> Kilos i were talking about this guy
[10:27] <ahmed_bilal> hay researcher
[10:27] <Kilos> cool
[10:27] <Researcher> hey man
[10:27] <Researcher> how are ya
[10:28] <ahmed_bilal> i hope u r talking something good about me @researcher :-)
[10:28] <ahmed_bilal> i m good. i wish to listen same from u
[10:29] <Researcher> i am fine
[10:29] <Kilos> haha ahmed_bilal he only has good things to say about you
[10:29] <Researcher> glad to hear from you
[10:29] <Researcher> :)
[10:30] <Researcher> ahmed_bilal due to the time differences this channel is quite
[10:30] <Researcher> some peeps are busy
[10:32] <ahmed_bilal> @kilos thats coz he himself is good guy
[10:32] <ahmed_bilal> i see @researcher
[10:32] <Kilos> yes i know, ive been chatting to him for months now
[10:32] <Researcher> but remember to say hello to barlas (API CODER) dan- (pdcsupporter) (RajRajRaj) the great indian friend (pavlushka) the warrior of the war of revive .. zaki the bd fellow zmeu (the romanian I.T enterpreneur and many many more
[10:32] <Researcher> these guys are mostly very bery active
[10:32] <Researcher> and must/mustu_ toooo
[10:32] <Kilos> you dont need to use the @ here on irc
[10:33] <ahmed_bilal> ok kilo
[10:33] <Kilos> type in three letters of the nick and hit tab button and nick gets completed
[10:33] <dan-> \o/
[10:33] <Kilos> hi dan
[10:33] <dan-> hi Kilos
[10:33] <Researcher> hi dan0
[10:33] <Researcher> :D
[10:34] <Researcher> dan-
[10:34] <Researcher> wb wb
[10:34] <ahmed_bilal> hi dan
[10:34] <dan-> yo Researcher, ahmed
[10:34] <Researcher> he is the great guy
[10:34] <Researcher> yo bro
[10:34] <barlas> Hi ahmed_bilal
[10:34] <ahmed_bilal> hello barlas
[10:34] <ahmed_bilal> barlas and dan- its my first interaction with u guys
[10:35] <barlas> Yep :)
[10:35] <dan-> nice to meet you ahmed
[10:35] <ahmed_bilal> i am ahmed bilal (30) from Pakistan
[10:35] <barlas> ahmed_bilal: Are you the Ahmed Bilal that started soccerlens?
[10:35] <ahmed_bilal> likewise dan-
[10:35] <Kilos> oh
[10:35] <ahmed_bilal> no sir barlas
[10:35] <Kilos> i am miles sharpe 65 from south africa
[10:35] <Kilos> hehe
[10:36] <Kilos> happy to meat you all
[10:36] <ahmed_bilal> miles sharp is your name Kilos?
[10:36] <dan-> I'm Daniel from over in Australia
[10:36] <Kilos> my nick name on irc is Kilos
[10:36] <ahmed_bilal> nice to meet u dan-
[10:36] <Kilos> im going to aus on the 30th
[10:37] <Kilos> hi Speakz
[10:37] <barlas> Reminds me of the old "asl" days :)
[10:37] <ahmed_bilal> wow Kilos, aus is very nice pla e
[10:37] <Researcher>  hi speakz
[10:37] <Researcher> wb
[10:37] <Speakz> hi
[10:37] <Researcher> Kilos speakz is my best friend
[10:37] <Researcher> :)
[10:37] <Kilos> welcome Speakz
[10:37] <barlas> Researcher: </3 I thought I was your best friend? ;(
[10:37] <ahmed_bilal> Researcher u have quite many friends here
[10:37] <Researcher> hahah
[10:37] <barlas> Hi Speakz
[10:37] <Researcher> you too bro
[10:38] <Researcher> yes ahmed_bilal
[10:38] <Researcher> :)
[10:38] <Researcher> you can be friend too here
[10:38] <ahmed_bilal> my pleasure
[10:38] <Researcher> barlas : actually speakz were busy he went offline
[10:38] <Researcher> he will come back
[10:38] <Researcher> he is an ircd developer and coder
[10:38] <Researcher> :)
[10:38] <Researcher> a very known personality and very old known nick on irc
[10:39] <ahmed_bilal> which one?
[10:41] <Researcher> speakz
[10:41] <Researcher> :)
[10:41] <Researcher> wb
[10:41] <Researcher> FireEgl
[10:41] <FireEgl> =)
[10:41] <Researcher> here is my very very old friend here from romania
[10:41] <Researcher> thanks for joining in here sir
[10:41] <Researcher> :D
[10:41] <dan-> whoo, irc dev is fun
[10:42] <Researcher> FireEgl is official developer of windrop too
[10:42] <Kilos> wbb chatting to my girls first guys
[10:42] <Researcher> i hope i am not telling outdated news
[10:42] <Researcher> :D
[10:42] <FireEgl> well, not official really.. I used to be though..
[10:42] <ahmed_bilal> FireEgl is windrop developer
[10:42] <Kilos> hi FireEgl
[10:43] <Researcher> :)
[10:43] <Kilos> ill be back
[10:43] <Researcher> thanks FireEgl for being a part of this open community
[10:43] <Researcher> :)
[10:43] <FireEgl> np =)
[10:43] <Researcher> vigilant is also here
[10:43] <Researcher> :D
[10:43] <FireEgl> =D
[10:44] <FireEgl> vigilant is a long time friend too =)
[10:44] <Researcher> yeah
[10:44] <Researcher> but i am more older friend then vigilant
[10:44] <Researcher> :D
[10:44] <Researcher> i remember your home server FireEgl
[10:45] <Researcher> then i remember when you upgrade to first dsl
[10:45] <Researcher> :)
[10:45] <Researcher> it was expensive that time
[10:45] <FireEgl> yeah.. and my connection sucked too =)
[10:45] <Researcher> FireEgl is also tcl coder, and he contributed a lot in the field of eggdrop scripting
[10:45] <ahmed_bilal> FireEgl is a big guru
[10:45] <Researcher> http://Atlantica.us is the official web,
[10:45] <Researcher> :)
[10:46] <FireEgl> www.tcldrop.us is my Tcldrop project too BTW.. =)
[10:46] <Researcher> yeah tcldrop.us too
[10:46] <Researcher> FireEgl i am going to setup eggdrop for here using your tcl scripts
[10:46] <FireEgl> =)
[10:46] <Researcher> so your presence here will be a great support for us
[10:46] <Researcher> :)
[10:47] <Researcher> :)
[10:47] <FireEgl> I haven't used Eggdrop in years now..
[10:47] <Researcher> wow
[10:47] <Researcher> :)
[10:47] <ahmed_bilal> FireEgl on wt technologies u working now
[10:47] <FireEgl> But I still use Tcl a lot.. =)
[10:47] <Researcher> great great FireEgl
[10:48] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en boty powinny mieć voice
[10:48] <Researcher> lol
[10:48] <Researcher> lubmil hi
[10:48] <Researcher> hey
[10:48] <ChanSeba> IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 10060] A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond (source unknown)
[10:48] <lubmil> ChanSeba: ty chuju ty
[10:48] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en kwiaty
[10:49] <lubmil> .tr :en :pl women
[10:49] <Researcher> lubmil : jaki jesteś i co robisz
[10:49] <ChanSeba> IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 10060] A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond (source unknown)
[10:49] <ChanSeba> IOError: [Errno socket error] [Errno 10060] A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond (source unknown)
[10:49] <Researcher> FireEgl : eu sunt pakistani :) student de limba romana
[10:49] <Researcher> :D
[10:49] <Researcher> lol failed
[10:49] <Researcher> lubmil : the bot is dead
[10:49] <lubmil> uhm ;<
[10:49] <dan-> silly bot
[10:50] <lubmil> .t
[10:50] <ChanSeba> Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:50:05 CEST
[10:50] <Researcher> hehehhehe
[10:50] <Researcher> dan- between you steal my word of mouth
[10:50] <lubmil> bot też człowiek i może się zepsuć
[10:50] <QA> lubmil: *blink*
[10:50] <Researcher> it is actually a crazy production from lubmil
[10:50] <lubmil> a robot and a human being can break
[10:51] <Researcher> hahah
[10:51] <Researcher> lubmil u speak english ?
[10:51] <Researcher> wow this is first time i hear this from you.
[10:51] <lubmil> google translate ;)
[10:52] <Researcher> lubmil ; this is more neat and clean way to translate... please keep this way of translation
[10:52] <lubmil> ChiefJustice: ty będziesz moim translatorem. o.
 (William Shakespeare)”
[22:02] <lubmil> .tr :pl :en Sentencja na 233. dzień roku: ?Można by się zamknąć w łupinie orzecha i czułbym się królem nieskończonych przestrzeni, gdyby nie dręczyły mnie złe sny. (William Shakespeare)?
[22:02] <ChanSeba> Saying 233. day of the year: ?It would be possible to close in a nut shell, and I am king of infinite space, if not let me rest, a bad dream. (William Shakespeare)?
[22:36] <Researcher> hello
[22:36] <Researcher> :)
[23:51] <lubmil> hej Researcher :)
[23:58] <lubmil> \/cs info #ubuntu-pk
[23:59] <lubmil> -ChanServ- Founder    : UbuntuIrcCouncil
[23:59] <lubmil> !seen UbuntuIrcCouncil


[00:22] <root> hi
[00:23] <root> hi
[00:23] <root> can anyone help me with mythubuntu?
[00:24] <Guest81072> hi
[00:24] <Guest81072> can anyone help with mythubuntu?
[00:27] <Guest81072> hello?
[00:32] <tgm4883> !ask Guest81072
[00:32] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about ask Guest81072
[00:32] <tgm4883> !ask | Guest81072
[00:32] <Zinn> Guest81072: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[00:35] <Guest81072> so ive added mythubuntu to ubuntu 8.10 and it gets no upnp backends found. how can i fix that?
[00:35] <tgm4883> what did you install on ubuntu 8.10?
[00:36] <Guest81072> mythubuntu
[00:36] <tgm4883> how did you install it though?
[00:36] <tgm4883> from the iso, synaptic, apt-get?
[00:36] <Guest81072> on the main page, it has an add option
[00:36] <Guest81072> it would be synaptic
[00:37] <tgm4883> are you saying you used this  http://mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[00:38] <tgm4883> or you just selected packages to install from synaptic?
[00:38] <Guest81072> the link you given
[00:38] <Guest81072> ive clicked on the mythubuntu logo
[00:39] <tgm4883> ok, so you installed mythbuntu-desktop
[00:39] <tgm4883> do you have a mythtv backend anywhere on your network?
[00:40] <tgm4883> or is this a single machine setup?
[00:40] <Guest81072> can you tell me what is mythtv backend? im a little noob for this sorry
[00:40] <tgm4883> ok, so mythtv is built as a client/server model
[00:40] <Guest81072> yes
[00:41] <tgm4883> where the client is used to watch shows, and the server is used for things like recording shows
[00:41] <tgm4883> so it would seem you don't have a backend setup (the server portion)
[00:41] <tgm4883> so open up mythbuntu control centre, and tell it to install the backend (if you want this all on the same machine)
[00:41] <tgm4883> then you will need to run mythtv-setup and set the backend up
[00:41] <Guest81072> okay
[00:42] <tgm4883> read this http://mythbuntu.org/installation_manual  it should help you along the way
[00:42] <Guest81072> how can i run the mythtv-setup? simply run the application?
[00:42] <Guest81072> thanks
[00:42] <Guest81072> i see now the setup
[00:43] <Guest81072> after it downloaded the backends
[00:43] <Guest81072> ok, next problem :)
[00:43] <tgm4883> right, after it downloads and installs the backend, you can run mythtv-setup
[00:44] <Guest81072> running the setup, the screen is glitchy, messed up, and i cannot read a thing on it
[00:44] <tgm4883> ati card?
[00:44] <Guest81072> yes :)
[00:45] <tgm4883> are you updated?
[00:45] <Guest81072> in ubuntu ive allowed the restricted hardware and it downloaded the driver
[00:45] <Guest81072> i hope its the latest
[00:45] <tgm4883> sec
[00:49] <tgm4883> Guest81072, what is your screen resolution?
[00:50] <Guest81072> 1366x768
[00:51] <tgm4883> ok, try adding "export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=True" to /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[00:52] <Guest81072> done :) ive been reading forums, and i added this. the application will start normaly, but this setup wont
[00:52] <tgm4883> have you rebooted since adding that?
[00:52] <Guest81072> nope
[00:53] <Guest81072> should i try?
[00:54] <tgm4883> perhaps
[00:54] <tgm4883> i'd try it
[00:54] <Guest81072> okay, be back in a second
[00:58] <Guest84888> hi, im back
[00:58] <Guest84888> its the same :(
[00:58] <josh__> I'm migrating my heavily modified lircd.conf and lircrc from gentoo to ubuntu. I have a MCE USB tuner with a Comcast Custom 3 remote, and two blasters controlling a Samsung LCD TV and a Aiwa surround reciever. What's the best way of using my exisitng lircd.conf and lircrc and making them "stick"?
[00:58] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:59] <tgm4883> Guest84888, maybe try doing "mythtv-setup --geometry 1266x767"
[01:00] <Guest84888> in the session-settings?
[01:00] <tgm4883> no
[01:00] <tgm4883> from the command line
[01:00] <Guest84888> okay
[01:00] <tgm4883> and make that 1366x767
[01:01] <Guest84888> same :(
[01:02] <Guest84888> could it be that my video card is not compatible with this application?
[01:08] <Guest84888> also, when i launch mythtv i can see the screen, but not the mouse
[01:08] <tgm4883> which ati card?
[01:08] <tgm4883> yea, I think thats by design
[01:09] <Guest84888> i have an ati mobility radeon hd 3470
[01:15] <tgm4883> hmm
[01:16] <tgm4883> Guest84888, not sure, maybe try the open source drivers would be my next guess
[01:16] <tgm4883> i've never had particular luck with ati cards
[01:16] <Guest84888> is this setup part of mythtv has own session-settings file?
[01:17] <Guest84888> so i can insert this always indirect command there too
[01:17] <tgm4883> well that is a system wide change we made
[01:17] <tgm4883> its an environment variable
[01:18] <Guest84888> i see :(
[01:20] <Guest84888> well anyways, thanks for all the help
[01:21] <Guest84888> i will try something
[01:22] <Guest84888> bye
[02:47] <josh__> I'm migrating my heavily modified lircd.conf and lircrc from gentoo to ubuntu. I have a MCE USB tuner with a Comcast Custom 3 remote, and two blasters controlling a Samsung LCD TV and a Aiwa surround reciever. What's the best way of using my exisitng lircd.conf and lircrc and making them "stick"?
[02:48] <josh__> I can't find a basic lirc guide for ubuntu
[03:40] <dschlenk> anyone out there want to help me with a xvmc issue?
[03:43] <dschlenk> nm then
[03:44] <wombo> If you had of waited someone might have helped you.......
[05:09] <darthanubis> Where is the setting to tell mythtv to leave x amount of drivespace?
[05:16] <darthanubis> Global Auto Expire Settings
[05:19] <darthanubis> nvrmnd
[11:02] <croppa> my  mythtv box has been working perfectly up till tonight
[11:03] <croppa> now it will not record anything
[11:03] <croppa> I am at a loss to know where to start looking
[11:04] <croppa> I cannot schedual (?) a recording either
[11:04] <croppa> however all the old recordings are there to watch
[11:38] <croppa> Also if i press R during live tv it will record
[18:59] <id1402> hallo.
[22:10] <schlazor> my MBE is currently 8.04. is there a good reason to upgrade it to 8.10?
[22:16] <tgm4883> schlazor, um, no?
[22:16] <tgm4883> are you happy with what you have?
[22:16] <schlazor> no
[22:17] <schlazor> i have the distinct pleasure of owning an ir blaster from iguanaworks
[22:17] <schlazor> and it doesnt really work
[22:17] <tgm4883> ah
[22:17] <schlazor> despite lots of attempts
[22:17] <schlazor> figured maybe 8.10 would help
[22:17] <tgm4883> well i'm not sure about that device
[22:17] <schlazor> since it appears that their precompiled debs are for 8.10
[22:17] <schlazor> just wondered if there were other good reasons
[22:18]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[22:18] <tgm4883> more mythexport features
[22:18] <schlazor> i'm also having issues with xvmc but who isnt
[22:19] <schlazor> module seems to load but it doesn't seem to do anything
[22:23] <schlazor> well anyway i think i'll give it a go. you know, right before 9.4 is out :)
[23:54] <pfein> anyone using myth as music player?  I don't really watch video...


[00:00] <xnox> will check how things are, i guess toolchainy things need to be pinned from the toolchain-r repository higher than the rebuild archive, or the fallback archive.
[00:01] <xnox> however it sounds odd that it has no installation candidate
[03:54] <tjaalton> Eickmeyer: sometimes, why?
[03:55] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton: Got a kernel issue involving framebuffers that has your name written all over it. Really, the email thread. Tested a patch that works perfectly on our OEM hardware.
[04:03] <tjaalton> ehich thread?
[04:15] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton: Apparently a gitlab issue for intel: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/272
[04:15]  * Eickmeyer had to look at his ticketing system
[04:16] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton: So, basically, there's tons of screen flickering on some of our hardware that the patch in question fixes.
[04:16] <Eickmeyer> And it's only if a certain display panel is used.
[04:16] <Eickmeyer> But, we can confirm that the patch fixes the problem 100%.
[04:32] <tjaalton> oh that, it's upstream now
[04:37] <Eickmeyer> tjaalton: Weird, because we're seeing the problem in 20.04, even tested Hirsute.
[04:47] <tjaalton> i meant intel drm tree
[04:47] <tjaalton> branch
[04:57] <Eickmeyer> Oh, so it just hasn't been merged into the kernel yet?
[05:39] <tjaalton> I don't think it was sent to stable@, so no
[05:39] <tjaalton> should be in 5.13 eventually
[05:44] <tjaalton> the commit was pushed yesterday, so it's quite fresh
[11:35] <xnox> juliank:  in base tarball of hirsute, i see gpgv output
[11:35] <xnox> is that normal?
[11:35] <xnox> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tDgnFcWqHD/
[11:35] <xnox> should i open a bug about it?
[11:37] <juliank> xnox: Haven't seen that before, seems like a minor bug somewhere
[11:37] <juliank> xnox: do you see it outside riscv64 too?
[11:40] <xnox> juliank:  yes, same on s390x
[11:40] <xnox> it's this test case http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/423/builds/229833/testcases/1318/results
[11:41] <xnox> juliank:  which should be the same on all arches. Shall I open a bug about it?
[11:41] <xnox> oh
[11:41] <xnox> oh
[11:41] <juliank> oh?
[11:41] <xnox> i think /dev/pts is not mounted?
[11:41] <juliank> oh!
[11:41] <xnox> let me mount that
[11:42] <xnox> ok /dev is not mounted
[11:42] <xnox> the test case should be updated.
[11:42] <xnox> with /dev mounted it is fine.
[11:45] <juliank> ay!
[16:28] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1923670 I can confirm that this issue slipped into bionic now as well, as of linux-modules-5.4.0-72-generic_5.4.0-72.80~18.04.1_amd64. I reverted and rebuilt cifs.ko locally, and I can now use DFS again.
[16:32] <TomyWork> I hope this is the right place for this, since I'm not asking for support (my issue is solved) but reporting/confirming an issue
[16:33] <TomyWork> s/an issue/a bug/


[00:00] <mmcc> yes, I've seen his plugin-viewer-gtk.py, and that works fine for me. I wanted to have the full picture too, though.
[00:00] <mmcc> and ack on py3. I've noticed that already
[00:00] <xnox> a VM is the only way to get the full picture =)
[00:01] <xnox> if you have a spare laptop/desktop you can do burn the amd64+mac.iso using disk utility on to a USB stick and boot that.
[00:01] <xnox> (bare metal is way waster / snappier)
[00:02] <xnox> also if you take screenshots of downloading amd64+mac.iso and burning/restoring it on-to the usb stick using the "disk utility" the website maintainance people will be glad to take those screenshots and publish on the website =)
[00:02] <mmcc> heh, I'll keep that in mind. :)
[00:02] <xnox> (currently installing ubuntu from mac os x documentation looks dated from like Tiger times)
[00:02] <mmcc> unfortunately I don't really have a spare mac to try that with
[00:03] <xnox> fair enough =)
[00:03] <mmcc> well, maybe I should do the screenshots anyway, if they're painfully out of date
[00:03] <mmcc> I'm even one release behind the current mac os myself. I wonder if disk utility changed in 10.8...
[00:09] <mmcc> ok, so to be sure I have this right - I could create a new .deb, then boot the live cd, get and install that deb, and just run "ubiquity"? (mvo's notes had 'sudo ubiquity', do I need to run with privs?)
[00:10] <mmcc> I'm a little fuzzy on the other approach, where I'm just modifying /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/* - is that also assuming the live CD is running, and I'm just overwriting those files from that session?
[00:12] <xnox> both are the same - in first case you use dpkg to install / unpack a deb (which is really just a compressed archive of files + metadata) into place vs doing it by "hand"
[00:12] <xnox> if you run ubiquity, it will ask you for priviliges. or just execute the "install ubuntu" launcher from the live desktop.
[00:13] <mmcc> yeah, that makes sense
[00:13] <xnox> but.... the livecd user has no password - so sudo or no sudo it can gain privileges pretty much without asking =)
[00:15] <mmcc> curious - I noticed the desktop entry for the launcher has 'ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui', but I don't see the --desktop arg in the source I'm looking at. is that something new?
[00:15] <mmcc> ie, since this branch...
[00:15] <xnox> there are a few levels of wrappers =)
[00:15] <mmcc> ah, ok
[00:16] <xnox> apart from gtk frontend there is kde (qt) frontend as well as a text mode debconf (curses) mode.
[00:16] <xnox> but you should only care about the gtk one.
[00:16] <xnox> kde (qt) one is maintained by kubuntu community
[00:17] <xnox> and debconf/curses is only for like server stuff (landscape) and other not directly client configs
[00:17] <xnox> so out of scope as well for the U1 plugin.
[00:18] <mmcc> ah, I see the ubiquity-wrapper script now.
[00:20] <mmcc> ok, I think I know how to move forward now - thanks so much for your help! I'll probably hang out in here while I'm working on this, but I should usually be quieter :)
[11:03] <Peanut> Hi folks. I'm trying to install some boxes on Precise, but I seem to have made a mistake in my Preseed, and it complains "No root file system is defined. Please correct this from the partitioning menu". And there's a button "Continue", but if I press it, it just goes to the same error message again. I don't get the option to 'Go Back' or 'Abort installation' at all.


[00:13] <ubuntu> does chrome work on xubuntu
[00:14] <ubuntu> >
[00:55] <bung> hey fellas, just using my xubuntu cd to backup files off my g/fs laptop that just BSOD'd .. just curious if there is like a chkdsk function
[00:56] <bung> i assume ntfsfix isnt as powerful
[00:56] <bung> otherwise ill be reformatting i guess
[00:59] <bazhang> bung, for ntfs? best to do that from within/with windows afaik
[01:00] <bung> yea, just that i cant get in :)
[01:00] <bung> no biggy
[01:00] <bazhang> bung, why not use a livecd and do so
[01:00] <bung> i ran ntfsfix and it actually got the machine past the BSOD
[01:00] <bung> bazhang: thats what im saying, im using the livecd
[01:00] <bung> but anyways after that it ran chkdsk and then just bsod'd again lol
[01:01] <bazhang> bung, whoops no coffee yet, missed that
[01:01] <bung> :)
[01:01] <bung> no biggy
[01:01] <bung> wish i could convert her to xubuntu
[01:01] <bung> but not till the summer when school is over maybe
[01:01] <bazhang> :)
[01:12] <dna42> is somebody here?
[01:13] <bazhang> yes
[01:13] <dna42> cool
[01:13] <dna42> werent you the guy who i already asked about speed improvements?
[01:13] <bazhang> not to my knowledge
[01:13] <dna42> oh, no, that was on the xfe channel
[01:14] <dna42> xfce
[01:14] <dna42> so my question is, what impact on the performance the themes and fonts have
[01:14] <bazhang> depends, mostly on the themes
[01:15] <bazhang> if you have a lesser gpu I would imagine quite a bit
[01:15] <dna42> is there a way to see on the first look how fast a theme is?
[01:15] <bazhang> by installing it?
[01:15] <dna42> well, i use a n270 atom
[01:16] <bazhang> I'd be more concerned about browser plugins and flash tbh
[01:16] <dna42> so basically testing all themes per hand or with gtkperf
[01:16] <dna42> well, i normally use opera
[01:16] <bazhang> not sure what graphics card you have
[01:16] <dna42> but right now i try a clean firefox with all addons and plugins deactivated
[01:17] <dna42> none
[01:17] <dna42> eee 1005HA
[01:17] <bazhang> something onboard then
[01:17] <dna42> yes
[01:17] <bazhang> shouldn't be an issue then
[01:18] <dna42> what? the graphics? or firefox?
[01:18] <bazhang> the themes
[01:19] <dna42> is the calculation of the themes operated by the gpu?
[01:19] <bazhang> in part, certainly, but you have a quite decent system, so shouldn't be an issue
[01:20] <bazhang> if you want to compare, you could try some other window managers/DEs and see how they stack up with xfce4
[01:20] <dna42> i already tried gnome, kde and openbox
[01:20] <bazhang> ie lxde, openbox, blackbox, et al
[01:21] <bazhang> ah also fluxbox
[01:22] <bazhang> no openbox-desktop that I know of, but if you are on Karmic there is lubuntu-desktop
[01:22] <dna42> i tried most of them (except blackbox) , but lxde seemed pretty buggy and the *box systems are pretty.. minimal. btw, is there a way to integrate openbox into xfce like it can be integrated into gnome?
[01:23] <dna42> there is the package openbox which offers a pureopenbox session and gnome with openbox
[01:23] <bazhang> not sure there, sorry
[01:24] <dna42> did you already try lucid?
[01:25] <dna42> because i think i noticed a bug in thunar, but im not sure if it had to do with me fucking things up
[01:26] <bazhang> language please; not yet--> lucid support in #ubuntu+1 if you care to follow up
[01:26] <dna42> hm, ok, i'll ask them about it.
[04:47] <PlatinumHex> is xubuntu able to run on x64 but machines?
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> yeah its possible
[04:49] <PlatinumHex> 100% possible?
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> never tried it myself
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> but I have x86 install on x64 machine
[04:50] <PlatinumHex> u mean ur windows os?
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> no I mean I have xubuntu installed on my c2d
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> xubuntu i386 that is
[04:51] <PlatinumHex> so u mean u have ur xubuntu i386 installed on ur x64 machine right?
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> that's what I said initially yes
[04:52] <PlatinumHex> got it. thanks! also, is xubuntu capable of using wireless?
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> it all depends on the driver, like every other linux distribution
[04:54] <PlatinumHex> oh, ok. wat if the wireless device was mounted within the machine when it came out of factory?
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> its not easy to say, it matters on the chipset that powers it, not the actual case but the actual chip
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> the only easiest way to tell is to try and see if it will work
[04:58] <PlatinumHex> got it. thanks!
[04:59] <PlatinumHex> also, is xubuntu capable of running ubuntu softwares?
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> yes
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> after getting the required deps that is
[05:00] <PlatinumHex> deps as in the required software packages?
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> required dependencies, whether it'd be software or some other things, usually its handled automatically so its generally fuss-free
[05:01] <PlatinumHex> ok
[05:02] <hatake_kakashi> its actually clearly labelled on xubuntu's website, that xubuntu is essentially ubuntu with xfce frontend instead of gnome
[05:03] <hatake_kakashi> and the cross de/wm issues has mostly been resolved
[05:03] <PlatinumHex> do u mind explaining that to me in a simple term?
[05:03]  * hatake_kakashi facepalms
[05:04] <PlatinumHex> oh come on! i'm new!
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> xfce, gnome, kde, fluxbox, etc are all GUI frontend.. all the look and feel of the UI with mouse
[05:04] <PlatinumHex> thanks!
[05:05] <hatake_kakashi> they're either called desktop environment or window management, but its somewhat relevant for new users
[05:05] <PlatinumHex> that's all the questions i have. thanks for ur help. later.
[05:17] <PlatinumHex> if u don't want to install xubuntu to ur hard-drive, but still want to use the cd version of it, will ur settings get saved?
[05:17] <hatake_kakashi> no
[05:19] <PlatinumHex> so u have to actually install it to save ur settings?
[05:20] <hatake_kakashi> there are possible ways around it such as setting up persistent mode. I don't know how to do it with a burnt cd but with usb flash drive its possible in theory
[05:20] <PlatinumHex> tell me about usb method pls
[05:23] <hatake_kakashi> its a long method, you should probably google
[05:26] <Balsaq> Good evening Xubuntu.
[05:26] <hatake_kakashi> g'day Balsaq
[06:46] <kevin_> hey guys.. im having some trouble here. i'm trying to get different drivers going for my intel i810 graphics.. everything i've come across says to edit the xorg.conf file, but im reading now that xubuntu does not have one. so what do i do?
[07:00] <kevin_> is anyone here?
[07:01] <kevin_> basically what i need to know is how to create an xorg.conf file
[07:11] <TheSheep> kevin_: man xorg.conf
[12:40] <Misio> hello, does anyone know why applications-merged menus mechanism does not work?
[12:47] <Misio> no ideas? Should I always edit the main menu file to organize sub-menus?
[12:51] <Misio> Every time I install a wine application I have to edit the main menu file and copy every sub-menu there... I think that the main menu have to be merged with ~/.config/menu/applications-merged directories contents but it does not seem to be the truth... maybe I am missing something?
[13:03] <Misio> Ok, I will try again later, thank you
[18:45] <nasrullah> hi
[18:45] <nasrullah> how to change my time in panel in arabic language
[18:50] <nasrullah> my desktop is in arabic but my time display is in english figures......i want to change it to arabic
[18:51] <Sysi> have you tried right-click and properties?
[18:51] <nasrullah> yes
[18:51] <nasrullah> no arabic
[18:52] <nasrullah> also i want to add a  photo to log on display window
[19:59] <Balsaq> It is warm and sunny today in the peaceful binary rainforest known as Xubuntu.Highs should reach 75F with nightime lows in the mid-60s. Winds are WNW at 5-7 mph. Humidity has been steady at 50%.
[20:00] <knome> ;)
[20:03] <igor_> hello... does anyone know where i can copy the files of vlc after downloading them via apt-get? i'm asking this because  i'm using ubuntu 9.10 live (after my old laptops hd died) and its annoying to download it every time over and over
[20:04] <igor_> or maby how to download and install vlc manually?
[20:07] <igor_> anyone?
[20:09] <Balsaq> you might have to go to System - Administration - Software Sources and check that Universe and Multiverse are ticked.
[20:10] <Balsaq> i am no expert though
[20:11] <Balsaq> aptitude download vlc ?
[20:12] <Balsaq> sudo apt-get install --download-only vlc
[20:12] <Balsaq> only downloads
[20:13] <Balsaq> seems to be a ubntu forum on this topic igor...i am browsing it now.
[20:13] <igor_> Universe and Multiverse are ok... i can download and install vlc fine... the problem is i don't want to download it evry time i'm staring live cd... i want to copy the downloaded files into a flash drive and install it in 30 second instead of 10 minutes
[20:14] <Balsaq> i see
[20:17] <Balsaq> Open Tools -> Messages... (set Verbosity to 2)
[20:19] <Balsaq> dunno....
[20:19] <igor_> nm... thank anyway :)
[20:20] <Sysi> do you have an other stick?
[20:21] <Sysi> create stick where you can save files also, with usb-creator
[20:21] <Sysi> or don't it work with programs?
[20:21] <Sysi> !offline
[20:22] <Sysi> no karmic..
[20:26] <krash> Hey, how does one use dialup on xubuntu?
[20:27] <TheSheep> !ppp
[22:18] <aleksi> hey, how i can have xfce start on clear desk(session) every time?
[22:20] <Sysi> remove everything from ~/.cache/sessions/
[22:20] <Sysi> (hidden folder in home directory)
[22:22] <Sysi> and set off tap of in Settings → sessions & startup
[22:23] <aleksi> Sysi, i try that, thank you :)
[22:26] <aleksi> Sysi, what off tap? :S
[22:28] <Sysi> ask on logout
[22:29] <aleksi> ah :)


[23:45]  * tgm4883 wonders if partman is doing something weird with swap
[23:46] <k1l_> Rarien: so i guess you should go for advanced partitioning tool and just use the one ext4 partition as "/" in the installer
[23:47] <k1l_> yes, i think its trying to create more partitions like a swap with the size of ram. (because the installer is made for installing onto hdd/sdd which are way larger)
[23:47] <tgm4883> yep
[23:47] <Rarien> Is there an ubuntu version for smaller drives?
[23:48] <goddard> how can i reload udev rules?
[23:48] <k1l_> Rarien: just use manual partioning like i described
[23:48] <tgm4883> 6GB RAM and a 8GB hard drive is not exactly common
[23:50] <Hydr0p0nX> goddard, sudo udevadm control --reload
[23:59] <DocPlatypus> another problem I'm having with GNOME Classic that never used to happen with GNOME Flashback: enter password, and unlock screen just sits there like it is waiting on something else


[00:07] <caseyd> so in my media library i have lots of crappy shows i didnt record.. oddly enough they are not all in LiveTV some are in Default.. how can I only see things i acutally scheduled to record in this menu?
[00:18] <tgm4883> caseyd, hit M (or your remote equivelent) and change the group filter
[00:18] <tgm4883> on my MCEUSB2, it's the green win button
[00:18] <caseyd> well i have it set so when i open My Recordings it asks me to Select Group Filter
[00:19] <caseyd> i haven't scheduled any recordings yet I have 9 items in default
[00:20] <tgm4883> hmm
[00:21] <tgm4883> what is the stuff in default?
[00:21] <caseyd> pieces of random shows
[00:21] <caseyd> i deleted them all, will see if it happens again
[00:21] <tgm4883> ok
[00:22] <caseyd> now the only thing that's kind of annoying is my remote is really fast, ill click up and it will go up 2, down and down 2 etc
[00:22] <caseyd> i've been adjusting the gap, but it doesn't seem to make a difference... i have it up to 300,000 already
[00:23] <caseyd> any advice =)
[00:23] <tgm4883> try configuring delay or repeat in the lirc files
[00:25] <caseyd> im in lircd.conf
[00:26] <tgm4883> caseyd, look up delay and repeat at http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html
[00:38] <caseyd> so with repeat = 0, i should be able to hold the button down and only get one go out of it?
[00:42] <tgm4883> that would be my understanding on it
[00:44] <caseyd> yeah that doesn't quite make sense though.. because then how could you ever push the button again
[09:48] <raptorjr> hi guys, i wonder if anyone knows if it is possible to find out what configure options that was used when mythtv weekly was built?
[10:04] <mindoms> maybe "mythbackend --version" is what you want...
[10:09] <raptorjr> hmm, that was simple =) thank you
[10:09] <mindoms> np
[11:29] <jarjar> hello
[11:29] <jarjar> does anyone use a pundit-r with mythbuntu
[15:47] <neoteny> #xbuntu
[18:04] <gizmobay> I haven't seen any trunk weekly builds for a couple of weeks. Have they not been made or was the repo moved?
[18:17] <neoteny> seemed simple enough: pop in an hauppauge pvr-150 mce card i had lying around, add a card, source, connection, and viola! two tuners.  now neither works and even removing the new one doesn't allow me to watch tv :(
[18:43] <mindoms> well. did you remove it physically or from mythtv-setup?
[18:45] <mindoms> does it work outside of mythtv. are both cards detected and configured by the kernel?
[18:46] <neoteny> mindoms i removed it from both.  or at least i tried.
[18:49] <mindoms> so, does it work outside of mythtv. with mplayer, or vlc, or whatever?
[18:51] <neoteny> mindoms, yeah, it plays in vlc
[18:54] <tgm4883> gizmobay, ping
[18:55] <gizmobay> ping?
[18:56] <tgm4883> gizmobay, can you do a search for me, open synaptic and see whats listed for mythtv packages
[18:57] <neoteny> since i got this usb2 pvr wintv thing i think i need udev rules.
[18:57] <gizmobay> 0.21 + trunk21261
[18:58] <tgm4883> which release
[18:58] <tgm4883> of mythbuntu that is
[18:59] <gizmobay> 9.04
[18:59] <tgm4883> sec
[19:00] <neoteny> mindoms, when i go to delete recordings is show 0% used of 0.0 free.
[19:01] <tgm4883> gizmobay, i poked the keeper of the weekly builds, hes in the UK though so not sure when he will check his messages
[19:19] <gizmobay> thanks tgm4883


[02:19] <mup> PR snapd#4402 opened: tests: save the snapd-state without compression <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4402>
[06:00] <mborzecki> morning
[08:05] <pstolowski> mornings
[08:16] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[08:16] <pstolowski> o/
[08:44] <mborzecki> i've pushed some tools to analyze travis logs right here: https://github.com/bboozzoo/snapd-tools
[09:14] <Chipaca> *yawn*
[09:14] <Chipaca> gmornin'
[09:16] <pstolowski> morning Chipaca!
[09:21] <mborzecki> Chipaca: o/
[09:21] <mborzecki> Chipaca: have you found anything interesting in interfaces-many test?
[09:30] <Chipaca> mborzecki: just that connect takes 4s+, and it does 65 of 'em
[09:30] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i'm wondering about digging into why it takes that long per connect
[09:31] <Chipaca> pstolowski: how long does a hook take to execute?
[09:32] <mborzecki> Chipaca: are there any hooks used in this test?
[09:33] <Chipaca> mborzecki: I don't think so, but run-hook is still run and still seems to take time
[09:33] <Chipaca> that's why i'm asking: what's the minimum time run-hook takes, if there is no hook
[09:33] <Chipaca> this is run-hook that's part of connect-snap
[09:34] <Chipaca> reporting its ReadyTime - SpawnTime to be an average of 4s also
[09:34] <pstolowski> well, hooks in the tests are very simple, hookmgr just executes hook script and grabs the output, that's as fast as it can be. unless the hook misbehaves, in which case we can get stuck waiting on 10min timeout
[09:34] <Chipaca> (ie most of the time is there)
[09:34] <Chipaca> pstolowski: so that's my question, how fast is "as fast as it can be"
[09:35] <Chipaca> because if that's 4s then something is wrong
[09:35] <pstolowski> Chipaca, if there is no hook script present then there is nothing to do.. it's a no-op
[09:35] <Chipaca> and if it's _not_ 4s, then something else is wrong :-)
[09:36] <pstolowski> Chipaca, is this about interfaces-many test?
[09:36] <Chipaca> pstolowski: there are no hook scripts in any of tests/lib/snaps/test-snapd-policy-app-*/
[09:36] <Chipaca> pstolowski: and it's taking 4s per hook
[09:36] <pstolowski> Chipaca, indeed
[09:36] <Chipaca> pstolowski: so, there's a bug in there somewhere
[09:36] <Chipaca> when I say "it's taking 4s per hook", what I should say is "it's reporting 4s per hook"
[09:36] <Chipaca> because the bug could also be in the reported time :-)
[09:38] <pstolowski> interesting. how do you measure it, do you have a modified code?
[09:39] <Chipaca> pstolowski: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26187733/
[09:39] <Chipaca> pstolowski: just looking at changes
[09:39] <Chipaca> that is, /v2/changes?select=all, and then print and sort
[09:40] <Chipaca> to be clear, i am suspecting the times are somehow wrong
[09:41] <pstolowski> Chipaca, what is the number in parentheses?
[09:41] <Chipaca> pstolowski: id
[09:41] <pstolowski> k
[09:42] <Chipaca> but it doesn't make sense for them to be like this, so it's probably counting spawn time from the change and not the task spawn, or something
[09:42] <Chipaca> meaning i might need to accumulate time along a change
[09:42] <Chipaca> hm
[09:42] <Chipaca> i'll give it a try
[09:44] <pstolowski> Chipaca, I was going to say exactly that. the times on the left looks like accumulated times from the start
[09:49] <Chipaca> pstolowski: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26187774/
[09:49] <Chipaca> accumulated, now
[09:49] <Chipaca> that makes more sense
[09:50] <Chipaca> but it does mean the time is all in connect itself
[09:51] <Chipaca> i'm going to have to profile this aren't i :-/
[09:51]  * Chipaca sighs and gets onto it
[09:52] <pstolowski> Chipaca, big gap between 8.209555 install-snap(2)/run-hook(14) and 17.577298 install-snap(8)/setup-profiles(54) ?
[09:53] <Chipaca> pstolowski: are you still looking at the non-deaccummuated one?
[09:53] <pstolowski> Chipaca, ah gosh, right, I confused the tabs in my browser
[09:53] <Chipaca> :-)
[09:54]  * pstolowski closes the old tab to be safe ;)
[09:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: shouldn't SpawnTime of a change be the time it was run, not the time it was created?
[09:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: ditto task
[09:54] <Chipaca> oh wait that's "AtTime"
[09:54] <Chipaca> which isn't in the client >:-(
[09:55] <pstolowski> Chipaca, one thing I can say for sure wrt to this test is
[09:56] <mup> PR snapd#4403 opened: asserts/signtool: support for building tools on top that fill-in/compute some headers <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4403>
[09:56] <pstolowski> Chipaca, in the past we had Connect doing multiple connections at once. that was changed to create one task for every connection which in reality adds even more tasks because of hooks
[09:56] <pedronis> Chipaca: Gustavo defined it that way, but basically it's creating time, not start of running time, notice that a task can start running many times (because of retry)
[09:57] <Chipaca> quick, how many definitons of a 'change' struct do we have in our codebase?
[09:57] <Chipaca> answer: no less than 4 (i wouldn't swear it wasn't more)
[09:57] <Chipaca> overlord/state has two, client has one, daemon has one
[09:58] <Chipaca> :-( no wonder theyre out of sync
[09:58] <Chipaca> pedronis: it makes knowing how long a task took to run quite hard
[09:58] <pedronis> it is hard though essentialy
[09:58] <pedronis> Chipaca: AtTime is used by retry with a specific time
[09:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: sorry, i said hard but i meant impossible, strictly
[09:59] <Chipaca> it is hard, yes
[09:59] <Chipaca> but with the data exposed we can only guess at it
[09:59] <Chipaca> gah
[09:59] <Chipaca> EOY-day should be more puppies and less cockroaches
[10:00] <pstolowski> :)
[10:00] <pedronis> we could have a cumulative run time
[10:00] <pedronis> also we have do and undo
[10:00] <pedronis> a task is not one-time function
[10:02] <mup> Issue snapcraft#1695 closed: Refactor meta into package <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1695>
[10:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#1804 closed: meta: refactor into a package <Created by elopio> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1804>
[10:03] <pedronis> Chipaca: you need to measure stuff from TaskRunnun.run basically
[10:03] <pedronis> *TaskRunner
[10:04] <Chipaca> pedronis: i think i'll open a forum topic
[10:04] <Chipaca> otherwise it'll bug me
[10:05] <jamesh> yay.  green ticks next to my PRs again.
[10:06] <Chipaca> jamesh: oh no you jinxed it
[10:06] <Chipaca> pedronis: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/task-accounting/3201 fwiw
[10:09] <jamesh> Chipaca: apart from the tests/main/searching bug that was recently fixed, a few times it seems the tests just take too long to run for travis
[10:09] <Chipaca> jamesh: yeah, we're looking into that -- they shouldn't
[10:10] <Chipaca> jamesh: there are some things we can do, but we'll wait for the new year as they require a concerted effort
[10:10] <Chipaca> jamesh: (this is, basically, updating the images to spend less time waiting on the network)
[10:10] <Chipaca> jamesh: but then, there're still tests that are inexplicably slow; looking into that as well
[10:10] <mborzecki> or randomly failing
[10:10] <jamesh> Chipaca: it'd also be  nice if the test output was less verbose: when there is a failure, it takes a while to locate the error message
[10:11] <Chipaca> jamesh: yeah, gustavo was going to turn off a lot of the output
[10:17] <sergiusens> kyrofa elopio you both added non actionable comments to https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1786 please address that
[10:17] <mup> PR snapcraft#1786: lxd: always install squashfuse <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1786>
[10:18] <pedronis> Chipaca: I added to backlog at least otherwise it will get forgotten, Doing the simplest possible thing shouldn't be too hard, it might be too simple though.
[10:46] <Chipaca> unless i'm reading this profile wrong, 2/3 of the (cpu) time is spent doing json encoding
[10:52] <pedronis> Chipaca: there might be some kind of   for loop Locking/Unlocking  state somewhere in there
[10:53] <jamesh> any chance of getting https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4140 merged?
[10:53] <mup> PR #4140: interfaces: add an interface for gnome-online-accounts D-Bus service <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4140>
[10:56] <pedronis> jamesh: if the interface don't work 14.04 should it not be exported there?
[10:56] <pedronis> *doesn't work in
[10:57] <pedronis> jamesh: I'm a bit unfraid that without clarity on that it can't be merged
[10:59] <jamesh> pedronis: I think the D-Bus API changed between those GNOME versions, but haven't really investigated because we didn't install gnome-online-accounts by default back then (I don't think it is installed in 16.04 either)
[11:00] <pedronis> jamesh: where is it installed by default?
[11:00] <jamesh> pedronis: 17.10 definitely.  We had a different online accounts system in unity7
[11:00] <pedronis> I'm not even sure we have a policy around interfaces that aren't there by default?
[11:01] <jamesh> it'd be installed on Ubuntu-GNOME for those older releases though.
[11:02] <pedronis> what happens  if one installs a snap needing this but the service is not there? does the interface auto-connect?
[11:02] <pedronis> ok, it doesn't
[11:03] <jamesh> pedronis: if you connected the interface but goa-daemon wasn't present, then the confined app would get a D-Bus error when it tried to contact the service
[11:16] <pstolowski> pedronis, i've been looking at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/new-configure-snapd-task-and-reverting/2774/2 in the light of 'auto-connect' task. aborting will make revert fail, no? or do I miss something?
[11:17] <pedronis> pstolowski: you miss something,  as I said we would need some special casing
[11:17] <pedronis> otherwise it doesn't help
[11:18] <pstolowski> pedronis, indeed. somthing like a 'ignore-me' flag on the task?
[11:18] <pedronis> yes
[11:18] <pedronis> I thought we discussed that
[11:19] <pedronis> given that your case you are splitting the bahavior of a preexisting task it would be ok
[11:19] <pedronis> though setup-profiles is complicated
[11:23] <pstolowski> pedronis, yes, we discussed many aspects of that but i'm sure i missed some of that because of limited understanding of entire picture and edge cases; i'm sure reviews will prove that
[11:28] <mborzecki> am i the only one getting i/o timeouts all the time when trying to run anything on linode through spread?
[11:34] <koza> everyone has a superpower ;-)
[11:36] <mborzecki> yeah, i speak polish, what's your superpower koza.. oh wait :)
[11:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: spot on. Dropping the unlock/lock in a loop in a loop (in a loop?) drops execution time to nearly nothing
[11:39] <Chipaca> this is in ifacestate/helpers.go: setupSnapSecurity
[11:40] <Chipaca> basically it means doing backend.Setup() with the lock held
[11:40] <Chipaca> is that bad?
[11:40] <Chipaca> in numbers, the test drops from over 5 minutes to under 1 minute
[11:48] <pstolowski> impressive
[11:54]  * cachio afk
[12:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: I think over time we are moving away from freeing the lock if all we are doing is disk ops,  otoh some backend do systemd stuff I think
[12:04] <Chipaca> I need to go to the boys school now (and might not make it back for the standup), but i'll look into it when i return
[12:21] <sergiusens> elopio something is wrong with the nightly, trying to commit to the uncommitable https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapcraft/jobs/316767537
[13:05] <mup> PR snapcraft#1795 closed: lifecycle: do not include source tarballs from previous runs <Created by ted-gould> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1795>
[13:37]  * Chipaca returns
[14:22] <Chipaca> i wonder if gofmt can find me all the instances of a for loop with a lock/unlock inside it
[14:47] <pedronis> Chipaca: I don't think we have a ton of those, we had some in snapstate but I think we removed them
[14:52] <elopio> sergiusens checking the commit...
[14:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: we have about 51 Unlock of state/contexts  without a defer
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: or were you thinking of adding something to run-checks ?
[15:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: no, was just going to look at current state
[15:02] <pedronis> Chipaca: you can probably just look at each of them
[15:05] <sergiusens> elopio and testing from master fails as transfer.sh is blocked
[15:05] <Chipaca> pedronis: heh, wrote a thing using parser and ast
[15:05] <Chipaca> found 10 locks inside loops
[15:06] <Chipaca> 6 of them not in tests
[15:08] <Chipaca> one is overlord.Loop, one (two actually) is overlord.Settle, one is TaskRunner.wait, one is devicestate.fetchKeys
[15:08] <Chipaca> and one in daemon.finishShutdown
[15:08] <Chipaca> all very boring
[15:08]  * Chipaca throws the ast away and goes for grep
[15:09] <pedronis> Settle is also test only
[15:10] <pedronis> Chipaca: notice also that they are much more problematic if the code invoked might change the state
[15:11] <pedronis> we shouldn't serialize if there's no write
[15:11] <pedronis> serialize as in JSON encode
[15:12] <sergiusens> elopio mind updating snapcraft#1802 ?
[15:12] <mup> PR snapcraft#1802: metadata: extract metadata from appstream <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1802>
[15:12] <sergiusens> elopio actually, if you have time, let's meet
[15:41] <elopio> sergiusens: on the weekly?
[15:42] <sergiusens> elopio one sec
[15:46] <pedronis> Chipaca: will you propose a PR today?
[16:27] <Chipaca> pedronis: I fear not: the systemd backend does indeed do weird stuff that can take 10s+
[16:28] <pedronis> what I feared
[16:28] <Chipaca> pedronis: so i think i need to talk with zyga about it, and there might be a bigger refactor
[16:28]  * elopio is back
[16:28] <mup> PR snapd#4404 opened: data/selinux: allow messages from policykit <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4404>
[16:28] <Chipaca> also the systemd code is suspicious
[16:28] <pedronis> Chipaca: given some control to backends, but we cannot pass state there, we  would need an interface
[16:29] <Chipaca> pedronis: maybe define them as getting a sync.Locker
[16:29] <Chipaca> not sure
[16:29] <Chipaca> maybe Setup needs to return a callback to be called without the lock, so it's only frobbed once
[16:30] <mborzecki> i'm done for today, enjoy your weekend guys
[16:30] <Chipaca> mborzecki: see you next year!
[16:30] <mborzecki> Chipaca: oh, you're not here next week?
[16:30] <Chipaca> mborzecki: nor the one after that :-D
[16:30] <mborzecki> haha :)
[16:30] <Chipaca> mborzecki: i should be back on tuesday the twooth of january
[16:31] <mborzecki> well, then merry christmas and happy new year :)
[16:31] <Chipaca> mborzecki: likewise!
[16:32] <Chipaca> pedronis: or maybe we move to an actual database and this whole thing goes away?
[16:32] <pedronis> maybe
[16:33] <pedronis> not sure it's the best time to do that (too much other feature work/bugs)
[16:34]  * Chipaca nods
[16:35]  * pedronis calls it a year
[16:35] <pedronis> happy holidays!
[16:37] <mup> PR snapd#4405 opened: taskrunner/many: KnownTaskKinds helper <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4405>
[16:39] <Chipaca> pedronis: have a good one! see you in 2018
[16:42] <pstolowski> happy holidays pedronis!
[16:45] <elopio> enjoy pedronis !
[17:20] <kyrofa> ogra_, I can't remember: will removing the classic snap reset the unpacked chroot as well?
[17:20] <kyrofa> Reset by removing it as well, I guess
[17:20] <kyrofa> Or is there a special command I need to do that?
[17:24] <kyrofa> Chipaca, perhaps you know?
[17:24] <Chipaca> kyrofa: AFAIK removing the snap will remove the chroot
[17:24] <Chipaca> kyrofa: because AFAIK the classic snap isn't special
[17:25] <kyrofa> Chipaca, well, it's a devmode snap, so I figure it can put that anywhere it wants
[17:25] <kyrofa> Removing and crossing my fingers...
[17:25] <Chipaca> kyrofa: i can check for you if you want :-)
[17:26] <kyrofa> Chipaca, nah, testing now
[17:26]  * Chipaca was curious and kicked it off to test
[17:26] <kyrofa> Chipaca, you were right
[17:27] <kyrofa> It's "creating classic environment" now. Excellent
[17:27] <Chipaca> kyrofa: sorry
[17:30] <elopio> sergiusens: we don't yet have any results from the PPA. We are at the bottom of all queues. I think that collecting daily would be alright. We won't necessary get the results of what was triggered the previous day, but we will get the results of the most recent execution.
[17:31] <elopio> there is already one execution for 20171215, so on tonights execution, the results should be collected. I'll keep an eye.
[17:31] <Chipaca> ok boys and girls, I think I'm done.
[17:32] <Chipaca> ttfn, and see you next year!
[17:36] <brunosfer> Hi guys, does anyone know how can I start the snapd with the DEBUG MODE using the binary instead of the service?
[17:40] <cjwatson> brunosfer: There are instructions for that in HACKING.md
[17:40] <cjwatson> search for DEBUG
[17:42] <brunosfer> cjwatson: Thanks
[18:03] <mup> PR snapcraft#1808 opened: ci: don't fail if the snap transfer fails <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1808>
[18:04] <elopio> nessita: cprov ^ That's to unblock you.
[18:15] <mup> PR snapcraft#1809 opened: formatting_utils: add type hints <Created by konrad11901> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1809>
[18:20] <nessita> elopio, thanks!
[18:36]  * kyrofa is shooting, responses may be delayed
[18:38] <elopio> snappy-m-o autopkgtest xenial:armhf 1807
[18:38] <snappy-m-o> Computer says nooo. See logs for details:
[18:38] <snappy-m-o>  Command '['/tmp/tmpcxggf713/retry_autopkgtest.sh', 'xenial:armhf', '1807']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[18:38] <elopio> snappy-m-o autopkgtest 1807 xenial:armhf
[18:39] <snappy-m-o> elopio: I've just triggered your test.
[18:39] <elopio> sergiusens: subscribe to that one ^
[18:39] <elopio> no need to make a new pr, that one is up-to-date with master, and will run what you are looking for.
[18:40] <sergiusens> elopio 07 because no one will touch it for a while? :-)
[18:42] <elopio> yup, and it's almost a noop change.
[18:56] <kyrofa> Uhh... nessita cprov this seems like a problem: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26190126/
[18:57] <kyrofa> It's working now. Maybe only some endpoints?
[18:59] <nessita> checking
[19:01] <cprov> kyrofa: does it continue to fail ? my systems are not complaining and we haven't changed certs recently, let me dig more
[19:02] <kyrofa> cprov, it happened twice. Third time it successfully downloaded/installed
[19:02] <nessita> kyrofa, is working for me: curl -s -H 'X-Ubuntu-Store: ubuntu' -H 'X-Ubuntu-Series: 16' -H 'X-Ubuntu-Architecture: amd64' 'https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/details/edukit-bot-kyrofa?channel=edge'
[19:10] <sergiusens> kyrofa is this an arm device? Check the date
[19:11] <cprov> kyrofa: we have some haproxy "SSL handshake failure", but it's too frequent to not have being noticed before
[19:12] <kyrofa> Fair enough, just wanted to raise it in case it was an issue. If it happens again I'll let you know
[19:18] <cprov> kyrofa: ah sergiusens is right, your system clock might not be current, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/snappy-devel/2015-March/000416.html
[19:30] <cachio> niemeyer, I was researching the connection issue and there is not way to connect to the machines after the connection error
[19:31] <cachio> niemeyer, so, it seems to be a problem in the machine allocation/start process
[19:33] <cachio> niemeyer, today seem to be working better than the previous days, that could be because there is less traffic
[19:33] <cachio> less people creating PRs
[19:41] <mup> PR snapd#4406 opened: interfaces/dbus: adjust slot policy for listen, accept and accept4 syscalls <Created by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4406>
[20:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#1808 closed: ci: don't fail if the snap transfer fails <Created by elopio> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1808>
[21:07] <sergiusens> elopio this is my endgame, snapcraft#1798
[21:07] <mup> PR snapcraft#1798: elf: strip the .note.go.buildid to make room for patching elf <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1798>
[22:05] <popey> sergiusens: is it possible to get 'dump' plugin to _just_ dump the file at the url specified by 'source' and put it in the snap? I don't want to unpack. Just dump the file in?
[22:09] <popey> think i might have to use nil, and wget in install step


[02:12] <wgrant> Hmm
[02:12] <wgrant> Apart from the importance colour scheme, the latest iteration of the new bug listings (on qastaging) is pretty damn nice.
[02:13] <rick_h_> wgrant: cool
[02:16] <wgrant> Bug #899477, too
[02:17] <_mup_> Bug #899477: New bug listings have no style for Expired status <bug-columns> <trivial> <ui> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/899477 >
[19:55] <maxb> hmm... weird
[19:55] <maxb> apparently /people/+requestmerge has allowed someone to submit a request to merge a team into a person?!
[19:59] <jelmer> maxb: it wasn't a team at the time
[19:59] <jelmer> just an unclaimed contribution
[19:59] <jelmer> I quickly registered it as a team because the link was visible in the team archives


[00:46] <holstein> ScottL: not really a date
[00:47] <holstein> we are busy at different times
[00:47] <holstein> might be challenging to coordinate at first
[00:47] <holstein> we could just try for any late nite
[00:47] <holstein> maybe a wednesday?
[00:47] <holstein> i usually dont have gigs on wednesday
[01:24] <ScottL> holstein, sure :)
[01:25] <ScottL> astraljava, crap!  i have left my notes at work about the seeds :(  i will get it first thing in the morning (6:30 am CST)
[05:48] <astraljava> ScottL: No problem, I do have some actual work to do at work, you know. :)
[12:49] <scott-work> okay astraljava , email sent, there are other changes to add new plugins but i would rather wait until we resolve the xfce transition
[12:49] <scott-work> abogani: the linux-meta package has built and no longer fails, thank you for the help :D !
[12:50] <scott-work> i'm surprise that the dash "-" seemed to be the culprit
[12:50] <scott-work> very strange
[12:50] <abogani> scott-work: don't mention it! :-)
[12:50] <abogani> scott-work: 7.9 is building in my PPA.
[13:55] <astraljava> scott-work: Okay cool. It was a busy day at work, so I didn't get a look at it yet. Now I need to hurry home, take the dog for a walk, and rush to a soccer match, so it'll take another 3.5 hours until I get to the issue. I'll get back to you on that though once I'm home again.
[13:57] <astraljava> scott-work: Oh, didn't see it. Where did you send the email to?
[14:19] <scott-work> astraljava:   the email was sent to: Janne Jokitalo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:27] <scott-work> astraljava: would you prefer the ubuntu email address?  i can put that into my contacts then
[18:54] <astraljava> scott-work: I guess you got my email. :) I would rather want ubuntu-related mail to that other one, just because I get all bug-mail and other similar stuff there. Sort of the logical place to go to, when discussing these matters. :) Thanks a bunch, appreciated!
[18:55] <astraljava> I'm gonna get to work in a few minutes now, just need to sort out the issue of crashing applications on my desktop, so that I can listen to music from it while 'playing'. :)
[21:25] <astraljava> scott-work: Currently Xubuntu is shipping edpfview, but on last night's meeting it was pretty much agreed (didn't check the minutes yet) that it'd be switched to evince. Now I know you mentioned to replace ristretto with evince, but I don't think that's really an equivalent. Still, we want evince instead of epdfview?
[21:29] <scott-work> astraljava: ach, ja
[21:29] <scott-work> you are correct, ristretto is a image viewer, isn't it?
[21:29] <scott-work> and epdfview would be replaced by evince
[21:29] <astraljava> Yep.
[21:29] <astraljava> Although ristretto is being replaced, but we don't yet know with which.
[21:33] <scott-work> i think we currently ship eog (eye of gnome)
[21:38] <astraljava> Oh okay, but if we base if on Xubuntu, then we might have two by default.
[21:40] <scott-work> astraljava: oh, i'm not saying we stay with eog, just point it out
[21:41] <astraljava> Sure, sure.
[21:41] <astraljava> Will just make a note, so that I won't forget anything, and can ask about them in the meeting.
[21:43] <astraljava> So far, I'm not seeing evolution nor gnumeric explicitly marked in the seeds, so I will have hunt them down to see where they're coming from.
[21:44] <astraljava> Errr... sorry, gnumeric's there. Now what was the other one?
[21:46] <scott-work> evolution?
[21:47] <scott-work> actually it might not be there
[21:47] <astraljava> You had that listed. Hang on, I'll check Luke's pastebin.
[21:48] <astraljava> Yeah, it's not there.
[21:50] <astraljava> brasero seems to be included already, so no need to add that, I just removed xfburn.
[21:51] <astraljava> Okay, I'll push this one to LP. It would be good if someone looked at it, before we ask Luke to push it.
[21:58] <astraljava> I removed all that we wanted to get rid of, instead of just commenting them out. We can fetch them from previous revisions, if needed (highly doubt it, though.) Should be in LP now.


[21:46] <emet> hey
[21:46] <emet> what is happening with SPREADUBUNTU ?
[21:54] <emet> come on guys we need SpreadUbuntu up before the release of Windows 7!
[21:55] <emet> I can set up Drupal and everything if you need help
[22:09] <emet> ? :o
[22:09]  * emet whistles


[04:50] <tjaalton> oh cool, looks like the fedora patches made it in wacom-tools <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:48] <superm1> bryce, tjaalton i've got a fix backported from mesa git that fixes that mythtv bug.  y'all cool with me uploading it?
[08:05] <tjaalton> superm1: is it included in 7.4?
[08:05] <superm1> tjaalton, i don't think it is
[08:05] <tjaalton> which commit?
[08:05] <superm1> 529d1d720e1422bad1880ef33fae1c9423112d2e
[08:05] <superm1> i didn't see it in the 7.4 branch browsing the webif
[08:06] <tjaalton> hmh, the search doesn't find it.. what's the commit msg?
[08:06] <superm1>     This lets swrast produce an fbconfig suitable for the root visual now that
[08:06] <superm1>     the server's not allowing mismatched fbconfigs.
[08:07] <tjaalton> ok, found it
[08:08] <superm1> is it in 7.4, or you found it in trunk?
[08:08] <tjaalton> not in 7.4, but I'll add it while merging
[08:08] <superm1> okay for now, i'm going to do an upload with it so i can get re-rolled disks tomorrow hopefully
[08:08] <tjaalton> ok
[08:09] <tjaalton> toss me the diff so I can add it to git..
[08:09] <superm1> http://pastebin.com/f1ae8547a
[08:12] <tjaalton> thanks
[08:12] <tjaalton> you should probably get an account on alioth :)
[08:12] <tjaalton> (.debian.org)
[08:12] <superm1> yeah i should.
[08:13] <superm1> where do i fill out such requests?
[08:13] <tjaalton> there's a webform
[08:13] <superm1> tjaalton,also do you know the right people to ask to pull that into 7.4?  i suspect other distros that will be picking up xorg server 1.6 will want to get that too without having to go on the manhunt i did the last few days
[08:14] <tjaalton> superm1: probably late for 7.4, but 7.4.1 should follow at some point
[08:14] <tjaalton> but maybe ask brian paul
[08:14] <superm1> is he on IRC?
[08:15] <tjaalton> at least not atm
[08:15] <tjaalton> but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should be ok
[08:16] <superm1> okay i'll fire an email that way.  i hope they dont make me subscribe to send
[08:16] <tjaalton> his email is brianp at vmware.com
[08:16] <tjaalton> if the list is hostile :)
[08:19] <tjaalton> bryce: I can push the changes to xorg-server git so you can stop worrying about it and start with a clean branch?
[08:19] <bryce> thanks
[08:19] <superm1> hm alioth makes me take username-guest?
[08:19] <superm1> i can't just register username?
[08:19] <tjaalton> superm1: yes, non-dd's
[08:19] <bryce> no
[08:20] <superm1> that's a bit annoying
[08:20] <bryce> it's only the start
[08:21] <tjaalton> a bit, but not too much.. you don't need to know about it other than when cloning
[08:21] <superm1> okay so now i dont see anywhere obvious to add an ssh key for git access then?
[08:22] <tjaalton> you need to be added to the pkg-xorg team
[08:23] <tjaalton> oh, the keys are behind account maintenance
[08:24] <bryce> night, heading to bed.  cya.
[08:24] <superm1> i guess i need to be on a team for it to be exposed in the UI.  how lets see if i can find where to request access to a team then
[08:24] <tjaalton> night bryce
[08:25] <tjaalton> don't get the git bugs bite.. :P
[08:26] <superm1> okay i requested access. i guess jcristau will have to ack that then
[08:26] <tjaalton> yep
[08:26] <superm1> i'm headed to bed too. night y'all
[08:26] <tjaalton> bye
[08:48] <jcristau> superm1: added.
[09:26] <dholbach> since a few days my brother's metacity is using 100% CPU in jaunty - could this be an X issue?
[09:26] <dholbach> seb128 says metacity didn't change in the last 1.5 months
[09:26] <dholbach> it
[09:26] <dholbach> it's a  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller  card in his laptop
[09:27] <dholbach> he doesn't use compositing
[09:35] <tjaalton> dholbach: dunno, my bet is that metacity is just confused
[09:40] <dholbach> tjaalton: about what? :)
[09:41] <jcristau> what's it doing?
[09:47] <tjaalton> dholbach: about it's state.. maybe cleaning the configs might help
[09:48] <dholbach> tjaalton: which do you suggest?
[09:50] <tjaalton> dholbach: it's been a while since I used it, so don't know how to clear it
[09:50] <tjaalton> at least there's ~/.metacity
[09:54] <dholbach> I'll ask him to try
[10:27] <RAOF> Build, you darn git-buildpackage.  I know I'm not on master!  I'm on ubuntu-jaunty because I'm building a package for Jaunty, damnit!
[10:52] <Ng> does tormod lurk around these parts?
[10:54] <tjaalton> sometimes, yes
[10:55] <Ng> I'm just curious about how I can match up his -intel git snapshot changelog with what upstream call things.
[10:56] <Ng> he says it includes up to commit 69c84f2c8204771b68f40ed64e64657237b54546 and upstream wanted me to try <IP_ADDRESS>2
[10:56]  * Ng tsks at cgit for not making it easier to see a log of these hashes
[10:56] <Ng> what's the point of having a globally unique identifier for each commit if you're not going to make that the easiest way to track history?! ;)
[10:57] <tjaalton> gitweb was easier in that regard
[10:57] <Ng> aha, that's the second-to-most-recent commit on master. win.
[10:57] <tjaalton> oh, master
[10:57] <tjaalton> so not on 2.7 branch
[10:59] <Ng> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/24376936/xserver-xorg-video-intel_<IP_ADDRESS>%2Bgit20090327.69c84f2c-0ubuntu0tormod_source.changes
[10:59] <Ng> suggests it's master
[11:00] <Ng> but I have approximately 0 familiarity with the way this stuff is structured for intel
[11:00] <tjaalton> same as elsewhere.. the release branches are for bugfixes, master for development
[14:32] <tjaalton> bryce: to not need -f when using git add is to use .diff postfix :)
[14:33] <tjaalton> don't know why .gitignore has *.patch on it
[14:34] <tjaalton> xorg-server git updated
[14:34] <tjaalton> mesa merged in my local ubuntu-next branch.. I'm wondering if we could push that and use for stuff like this (not knowing if 7.4 will be accepted or not, but allowing working on it together)
[14:35] <tjaalton> damn, gotta run.. get to sing Händel today, again :P
[14:43] <jcristau> tjaalton: i guess because git format-patch produces *.patch and it makes sense for upstream to ignore that
[19:32] <tormod> did we get some DPI policy changes lately?
[19:32] <bryce> tormod: apparently...  I'm looking for the bug report
[19:32] <tormod> I had these big fat fonts for a while, now it's back to tiny
[19:32] <bryce> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview?action=diff&rev2=67&rev1=66
[19:33] <bryce> according to slangasek the dpi thing has been reverted by asac
[19:33] <bryce> which is sort of a bummer to me, but at least this time it's not being blamed on X iniquities ;-)
[19:33] <tormod> this was not discussed anywhere, like on ubuntu-x ?
[19:34] <bryce> I guess not; bug 349140 was the first I got light of it
[19:34] <bryce> #345189 seems to be the bug attached to the change... looking...
[19:35] <bryce> changed in libgnome
[19:35] <bryce>   * debian/libgnome2-common.gconf-defaults: fix LP: #345189 - regression after
[19:35] <bryce>     switching system font size to 13.333; we backout the new font defaults made in
[19:35] <bryce>     2.25.1-0ubuntu2 and force 96 dpi again (see 2.24.1-1ubuntu3)
[19:35] <bryce>  -- Alexander Sack<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:34:41 +0100
[19:37] <tormod> where is 96 dpi forced?
[19:37] <tormod> it is not on the X server command line AFAICS
[19:37] <bryce> no, it's forced in libgnome
[19:38] <bryce> tormod: it's telling that kubuntu has not been forcing the dpi for some time, and trusts what X provides
[19:38] <tormod> so no-gnome applications will get the correct DPI from X then
[19:39] <tormod> shouldn't they rather fix Gnome?
[19:39] <bryce> historically we've typically gotten the bug reports about monitors with invalid physical dimension EDID only from KDE users, since that messes up the dpi X reports.  GNOME users don't see those kinds of bugs since it's been forced
[19:39] <bryce> tormod: fixing Gnome seems the sensible solution to me as well
[19:40] <bryce> tormod: maybe it's too hard for them though *shrug*
[19:40] <bryce> e.g. it may require individually fixing a lot of different apps, or altering font definitions or something
[19:41] <bryce> at least it would be nice if they implemented as an option, so testers could switch the 96 dpi forcing off, so they can work on getting the apps fixed up
[19:41] <tormod> yes this kind of hides bugs instead of getting them fixed
[19:41] <bryce> I anticipate we're going to see a bunch of bug reports against X.org now, that say "Hey, you guys finally got my font dpi right in Jaunty, but now with the release it's regressed to 96 again...??"
[19:42] <tormod> we got a bunch of edid quirking working thanks to the KDE reports
[19:43] <tormod> I liked having an A4 paper on the screen being the size of an A4 paper etc
[19:43]  * bryce nods
[19:44] <tormod> I hope they drop the dpi-forcing ASAP in Karmic
[19:44]  * bryce waves a wand and turns 349140 into a libgnome bug
[19:44] <bryce> actually it'll be nice for a change to be able to forward a bunch of X bugs to gnome, instead of the other way round ;-)
[19:46] <bryce> tormod: mm, in 345189 it appears asac is working on fixing each application individually.. that's why there's so many bug tasks there
[19:47] <bryce> sounds like the root issue is application developers confusing "pixel-size fonts" with "point-size fonts"
[19:47] <tormod> good to hear he is working on it
[19:50] <tormod> mesa seems to need plenty of fixes, are we gonna get 7.4 in?
[19:55] <bryce> tormod: timo's working on it
[20:02] <tormod> tjaalton: you may want to cherry-pick for bug 324854