[02:08] <jpatrick> kikodelmar: #kubuntu-es :)
[02:10] <halibut> I installed ubuntu, then got kubuntu-desktop, a lot of the programs (Firefox) are pretty ugly, am I using the ubuntu versions under kubuntu or something?
[02:14] <TheHighChild> halibut: What windowing system are you using currenly? You may want to consider a theme for Firefox, I suggest iFox
[02:16] <halibut> TheHighChild, KDE
[02:16] <halibut> but it looked fine under gnome
[02:16] <halibut> now under KDE firefox looks like a windows 95 program
[02:17] <chavo> halibut, go to Sytem Settings - Appearance - Gtk styles and fonts
[02:17] <TheHighChild> halibut: Without a screenshot, I don't know what you're talking about. I can say that the default theme for Firefox is extremely ugly though
[02:18] <chavo> then set it to Use my KDE style in GTK applications
[02:18] <halibut> chavo, already done
[02:18] <halibut> I just wondered if the Firefox from the ubuntu repos was built differently than the one from kubuntu
[02:18] <chavo> no it's the same thing
[02:18] <jpatrick> haider: nope
[02:19] <haider> jpatrick: what nope? :)
[02:19] <chavo> halibut, did you restart firefox since you did that
[02:19] <halibut> chavo, yup
[02:20] <chavo> halibut, try this stop firefox, then run it from konsole
[02:21] <Hobbsee> halibut: want to give us a screenshot of what you see?
[02:22] <halibut> chavo, nothing written to conlose
[02:22] <halibut> cosole
[02:22] <halibut> console ack
[02:22] <chavo> halibut, but no difference in firefox?
[02:22] <halibut> chavo, firefox looks the same
[02:23] <halibut> I think it is just the black horizontal lines that make it look like windows 95
[02:24] <chavo> halibut, try another gtk app like gedit. does it look the same?
[02:25] <halibut> chavo, yes
[02:29] <byen> can anyone tell me if installing themes etc is easy in kubuntu
[02:32] <Hobbsee> byen: in system settings, appearances - depends what the theme is for, as to which module you want
[02:32] <byen> hey Hobbsee damn you are everywhere
[02:32] <Hobbsee> byen: hehe - not that many places, really...
[02:33] <superdump> hello
[02:33] <byen> is it as simple as drag and drop.. ive used ubu for over a year but never kde
[02:33] <superdump> my hard drives are pretty toasty because of the heat and i'm running kubuntu dapper on a shuttle sn25p (nforce 4 ultra chipset)
[02:34] <superdump> i'm trying to get lm-sensors working to see if i can affect the case fan speeds (i can in windoze)
[02:34] <superdump> running sensors-detect tells me that there are no i2c devices, but the kernel modules are loaded
[02:34] <superdump> has anyone got this working?
[02:35] <lukasz22> hi
[02:39] <visik7> superdump: dapper sensors-detect is bugged (or not well configured)
[02:39] <superdump> ok
[02:39] <visik7> superdump: you need to modprobe your modules by hand
[02:39] <visik7> than sensors works
[02:39] <superdump> the i2c modules are loaded though...
[02:40] <superdump> $ lsmod | grep i2c
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_acpi_ec             5440  1 acpi_sbs
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_nforce2             7360  0
[02:40] <superdump> i2c_core               23168  3 i2c_acpi_ec,nvidia,i2c_nforce2
[02:40] <visik7> I have 3 modules necessary for sensors to work: i2c-sis96x adm1021 and eeprom
[02:41] <superdump> what is adm1021?
[02:41] <visik7> a driver in for the hw monitor
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mth`MAW_: please kill that away message.
[02:54] <Bassetts> how can i view files as root in terminal??
[02:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: or should we just kill him..
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: that works too
[02:54] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: He's too away to notice
[02:54] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[02:55] <Bassetts> do i have to enable su?
[02:55] <jpatrick> Bassetts: no
[02:55] <jpatrick> Bassetts: sudo -i
[02:55] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: what do you mean? you can do a sudo ls but I don't know if there is a point
[02:55] <jpatrick> !root
[02:55] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: howzat?  :P
[02:55] <Bassetts> i want to be able to view all files in terminal basically
[02:55] <Bassetts> like /home/jason/.icons
[02:55] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: blowed
[02:56] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: 'ls' isn't what you want? try 'ls ~/.icons'
[02:56] <jpatrick> Bassetts: ls -a
[02:56] <Bassetts> ok, just so i know what is ls?? =)
[02:56] <chavo> Bassetts, ls -a
[02:56] <jpatrick> Bassetts: ls = list
[02:57] <Bassetts> thanks, what does the -a variable do?? list all?
[02:57] <jpatrick> Yes...
[02:57] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: There are a lot of options for 'ls' try 'ls -a' and 'ls -l' (a for all, l for in list format) To read more, you can type 'man ls' and read the man pages. Press 'q' to quit the man pages
[02:57] <henrique> alguem fala portugus BR?
[02:57] <jpatrick> see man:/ls in konqueror for details
[02:57] <Bassetts> thanks =) i just like to know what a command does, instead of just using it blindly
[02:58] <TheHighChild> Bassetts: man pages = manual. Most commands should have man pages with details and options for commands. Some man pages are sorely lacking though
[02:58] <Bassetts> ok =)
[02:58] <Bassetts> thankyou
[02:58] <TheHighChild> enjoy ;)
[02:58] <henrique> alguem fala portugus BR?
[02:59] <kronoz> does dapper have any problems using reiserfs?
[02:59] <LeeJunFan> Bassetts: some commands also have info [command] , and/or have docs in /usr/share/doc/[AppName]
[02:59] <Hobbsee> !po
[02:59] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[02:59] <Hobbsee> darn
[02:59] <jpatrick> !pr
[02:59] <ubotu> jpatrick: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:59] <TheHighChild> kronoz: From everything I've heard, you cannot install on reiser
[02:59] <jpatrick> !cheese
[02:59] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, jpatrick
[03:00] <kronoz> TheHighChild: why not?
[03:00] <LeeJunFan> TheHighChild: from everything I've heard you wouldn't want to :p
[03:00] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[03:01] <henrique> Who knows to install the "QUANTA"?
[03:01] <TheHighChild> kronoz: I have no experience with it, but I've read in this channel a few times that it wasn't supported because of security issues
[03:01] <TheHighChild> henrique: sudo apt-get install quanta
[03:01] <redfoxx> message to the kubuntu.org webmaster: there is a mistake in the faq page: the link to the 'InstallingKde' shoulb point to WIKI.kununtu.org instead of www.kubuntu.org.
[03:02] <henrique> Does not function!
[03:02] <jpatrick> redfoxx: ok got it
[03:03] <redfoxx> jpatrick: thanks
[03:04] <mitja> How do I order dpkt to install to specific destination?
[03:04] <superdump> visik7: i found the mkdev.sh script here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780 and it appears to be working now
[03:04] <mitja> *dpkg
[03:04] <visik7> god
[03:05] <visik7> good
[03:05] <henrique> TheHighChild: The package is unavailable!
[03:06] <jpatrick> henrique: enable all the repos?
[03:06] <TheHighChild> henrique: I have it in my repos, just not sure which one. I am looking
[03:06] <Healot> jpatrick: I sense that he adds "multiverse" and "universe" on "dapper-backports"
[03:07] <Healot> many people who use adept got these lately
[03:07] <henrique> TheHighChild: some
[03:07] <jpatrick> apt-cache policy quanta
[03:08] <TheHighChild> jpatrick: nice man, didn't know about that.
[03:09] <Bassetts> where can i get a new usplash? or how do i make one
[03:11] <henrique> TheHighChild: Obtain!  It obliged by the help!
[03:11] <TheHighChild> henrique: You got it? Awesome, thank jpatrick
[03:15] <nuxmedia> hi
[03:15] <nuxmedia> is anyboy awake?
[03:16] <jpatrick> !ask
[03:16] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:17] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: what were you doing under the desk?
[03:17] <nuxmedia> yeap i know, my problem is, i have a NTFS partition in my harddrive, is possible to alow ubuntu linux to writte on it?
[03:17] <TheHighChild> nuxmedia: Yes but it's only experimental
[03:17] <Hobbsee> !ntfs
[03:17] <ubotu> to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe. <!winfstab>
[03:17] <TheHighChild> nice
[03:18] <nuxmedia> i have mounted it... but i can't writte on it
[03:18] <TheHighChild> nuxmedia: The module to write to NTFS is still in development and unsupported. Writing is very slow from my understanding.
[03:18] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: looking for loose change to buy [[Black_Holes_And_Revelations] ]
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:19] <jpatrick> not that I've already got it :|
[03:20] <RadiantFire> lookos exciting
[03:24] <mezz> hey. I have a problem. Sometimes when I shutdown Kubuntu KDE seems to go away OK, but after that the screen goes blank and the system hangs. So I'm forced to use the reset button, and then when I reboot I have to do fsck, and then I always an (apparently) random collection of settings files. like my KDE appearance, Amarok settings, Kmail settings and stuff like that. This was happening every shutdown with the dapper beta, but wi
[03:24] <mezz> how I can work out what is going wrong?
[03:25] <Mongey> how do i  move a folder from the desktop
[03:25] <Mongey> drag and drop wont work
[03:25] <mezz> mongey, what are you trying to move? is it just a normal folder?
[03:25] <Mongey> a script for amarok
[03:26] <Mongey> well a folder to the scripts folder
[03:26] <mezz> is it a link to the scripts folder? it should just drag and drop with konqueror
[03:26] <brendan_> hi folks, I did a kubuntu-desktop install using synaptic on ubuntu to convert to kde. All the KDE apps are installed but the computer still runs Gnome as the desktop on boot. The link on the kubuntu.org FAQ page to "InstallingKDE" is broken 404. Any thoughts?
[03:27] <mezz> mongey, you could try the command line command mv to move it and see if it gives any error messages
[03:27] <Mongey> whats the command ?
[03:27] <mezz> mv
[03:27] <mezz> if you type mv --help that will tell you how to use it
[03:27] <mezz> or man mv
[03:28] <mezz> brendan_: do you have a log in screen or does it log in automatically all the way to your gnome desktop?
[03:29] <brendan_> mezz - There was new login screen -  blue KDE
[03:29] <Mongey> got it
[03:29] <Mongey> with sudo
[03:29] <Mongey> it said permission dinied
[03:30] <mezz> Mongey and sudo works? cool :)
[03:30] <Mongey> ye
[03:31] <mezz> brendan_ run systemsettings (either with the console or Alt+F2)
[03:32] <mezz> brendan_ then at the bottom there is a log in manager, you should be able to change the default desktop there
[03:35] <Bassetts> anyone know how to make a usplash
[03:36] <brendan_> mezz, thanks, I'm looking at login manager - i must be blind as i can't see a "default desktop" option - where is it?
[03:37] <mezz> brendan_ yeah, sorry, I just assumed there would be one, but I can't see it either :S
[03:37] <chavo> brendan_, just choose Session type - KDE
[03:38] <chavo> it will remember it for the next login
[03:38] <brendan_> chavo, where?
[03:38] <chavo> brendan_, on the login screen
[03:39] <brendan_> chavo, thanks, will try now
[03:43] <brendan_> chavo - that's it. The login type defaults to (Previous) which of course was Gnome. Someone needs to fix the broken link in the FAQ. Thanks again
[03:47] <grasso> hy
[03:48] <grasso> I have a problem with the installation of kubuntu
[03:48] <grasso> the installation can't go over the contatting mirror  step
[03:49] <grasso> my internet connection is all right, but it seems that couldn't connect the mirrors servers
[03:49] <grasso> anyone can help me, please
[03:49] <grasso> ?
[03:52] <grasso> ciao
[03:52] <weedar> During install I run into the "manual partition"-issue - is there no workaround?
[03:52] <grasso> ciao
[03:53] <helter> grasso, how are you installing ? with dvd?
[03:54] <grasso> with cd
[03:54] <helter> do you have a proxy?
[03:54] <grasso> no
[03:55] <helter> Anyway, when I installed mine I skipped that step and then once I finished my installation I updated my system with apt-get upgrade
[03:56] <helter> so you can just skip it, and when your system is installed configure your internet connection, and then try again. If it still doesnt work it shouldn't be hard to find where the problem is.
[03:56] <grasso> that's grait, how can i do to skip it
[03:56] <grasso> ?
[03:56] <helter> I can't remember, but there's a way definetely. I didn't even have my internet connection set up before I finished installation.
[03:57] <helter> Just click on next
[03:57] <helter> or look for something like that.
[03:57] <grasso> no prompt about the chance of skip this step
[03:57] <helter> are you installing graphically? I mean using the gui?
[03:58] <grasso> yes
[03:58] <helter> are you installing dapper 6.06?
[03:58] <grasso> yes
[03:58] <helter> wait
[03:59] <grasso> yes, thanks
[04:02] <rigonatti> hi all !
[04:03] <rigonatti> is the captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:04] <alejandro_> hi
[04:05] <alejandro_> whe I do $ dmesg | grep 'AGP aperture'
[04:05] <alejandro_> i get '[4294687.072000]  agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xe0000000'
[04:06] <alejandro_> but my graphic card has 256mb, does that means that it's working only with 128MB?
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> Aperture is them maximum amount of main memory that the graphics card can use
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> (Its not relevant because going to main memory is so slow)
[04:07] <alejandro_> so it's ok?
[04:07] <rigonatti> can anyone give me a hand?
[04:07] <rigonatti> PM801EI1-371501
[04:07] <rigonatti> ops
[04:07] <rigonatti> is the captive the best options to write in NTFS files
[04:08] <Hobbsee> probably
[04:08] <havoc> rigonatti: I *think* it may be the most *reliable* option, if you really need to write to NTFS, but I don't know if it's the best
[04:09] <alejandro_> h3sp4wn: it's ok then that the agp aperture is only 128?
[04:09] <rigonatti> havoc: I dont really want use FAT32 coz...its a waste of space and cluster. ...an slow too.
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> alejando: I have told you what it is, I will leave you to decided whether or not it is "ok"
[04:10] <havoc> rigonatti: I'm going to be trying captive too, I just haven't gotten to it yet
[04:10] <rigonatti> havoc: someone said that will not workt in kubuntu
[04:11] <havoc> rigonatti: I googled for ubuntu+captive and found lots of stuff
[04:11] <havoc> rigonatti: kubuntu is just ubuntu+kde
[04:11] <havoc> rather than gnome
[04:11] <rigonatti> havoc: "but on ubuntu it kept freezing well until now.."
[04:11] <rigonatti> Captive ntfs is a great program that lets you read and write to ntfs(windows) partitons, but on ubuntu it kept freezing well until now...
[04:12] <havoc> ah
[04:12] <LeeJunFan> ubuntu wiki says captive doesn't work with ubuntu. But I think that may just be the init portion of it. I was able to get it to work on mine with a kernel I built, not sure about ubuntu kern.
[04:12] <havoc> rigonatti: you see this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10175
[04:12] <rigonatti> btw...should be a slowly solutions
[04:13] <weedar> I have a partition with ext3 and vfat partitions, if I choose it during install will the installer re-partition it or use it as is (just format the ext3 one) ?
[04:13] <rigonatti> so..... the realley best for dual boot solution is :  NTFS to Windows System and FAT 32 to all others files..then i can use in windows or Linux ..right ?
[04:13] <burepe2> I got crazy networking problems. Can someone hold my hand and walk me through it. Here are details, kinda http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194056
[04:15] <rigonatti> so..... the really best for dual boot solution is :  NTFS to Windows System and FAT 32 to all others files..then i can use in windows or Linux ..right ?
[04:15] <havoc> rigonatti: unfortunately, that's probably it
[04:15] <havoc> rigonatti: for "best" solution, at least the most reliable
[04:17] <neoncode> crimsun_: ah crap.... my sound won't work again....
[04:22] <grasso> hi
[04:23] <rigonatti> hey .....if i install kubuntu ...can I change latter to Gnome ?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> rigonatti: yes, install ubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <rigonatti> Hobbsee: isnt a hard work if i change my mind between Gnome and KDE
[04:24] <rigonatti> I mean...i never used Ubuntu ..so its my firsdt try ...if i Dont like ...can back to KDE withou a reinstall ?
[04:25] <chavo> rigonatti, you just logout of one abd login to the other
[04:32] <SuDo|PaSSwD> #ubuntu-dapper
[04:32] <neoncode> what's the command to restart the sound system?
[04:33] <iNiku> neoncode: um, no such thing, really... what are you trying to do?
[04:34] <neoncode> iNiku: Get my sound to work. It just won't work at all. yet I got it working last night before I went to bed. and now after a reboot it won't work again. It makes no sence
[04:35] <iNiku> neoncode: no sound at all, from any application?
[04:35] <iNiku> what about the KDE system sounds?
[04:37] <neoncode> iNiku: Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I did try cating a sound file to /dev/audio1 and I got a load of static. So I know the sound card is working....
[04:37] <iNiku> and what did you do last night to get it working?
[04:37] <neoncode> iNiku: I don't actualy rember... it was 6:30 AM at the time and I just changed every option I could find untill it worked...
[04:38] <iNiku> even now cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp produces noise?
[04:39] <iNiku> (no idea what /dev/audio1 might be...)
[04:40] <neoncode> lemme check the urandom
[04:40] <iNiku> or actually, I know /dev/audio1 is not what you want to use
[04:40] <neoncode>  /dev/dsp: no such device
[04:40] <jpatrick> iNiku: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp sounds like rain drops
[04:41] <iNiku> neoncode: okay, how about aplay /dev/urandom then?
[04:41] <neoncode> I ran it against /dev/dsp1 and I got a permision deinged error... Hold on#
[04:41] <iNiku> jpatrick: rain drops?
[04:42] <iNiku> jpatrick: definitely does not here... just white noise
[04:42] <neoncode> aplay: main:544: audio open error: No such file or directory
[04:42] <LjL> well, more like a storm
[04:42] <jpatrick> iNiku: sort of thaat
[04:42] <neoncode> when I cat urandom to /dev/audio1 I get the static...
[04:42] <iNiku> neoncode: okay, cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:43] <weedar> So nobody has a fix to the manual partition issue during install?
[04:43] <neoncode> http://pastebin.ca/64317
[04:43] <neoncode> 0 is my onborad sound... I dunno how to change the default sound device though....
[04:43] <iNiku> jpatrick: white noise is what it is, basically :)
[04:44] <iNiku> neoncode: ah, so which one do you want to use?
[04:44] <neoncode> I thought urandom was just... random...
[04:44] <neoncode> iNiku: The soundcard.
[04:44] <neoncode> onbord sound = yuck
[04:47] <iNiku> neoncode: you should be able to set the default in .asoundrc
[04:48] <iNiku> neoncode: see this page: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php
[04:48] <iNiku> and the section "the default plugin" in there
[04:48] <neoncode> iNiku: Thanks
[04:48] <iNiku> only in your case, it will be "card 1"
[04:50] <iNiku> or you can set the PCM device in alsa apps as "hw:1,0" or something like that
[04:51] <iNiku> actually, "hw:1"
[04:51] <neoncode> WOOO! It works!! I have sound!!!! yay!!!!!!
[05:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:02] <TheHighChild> slow-motion: hello
[05:02] <slow-motion> hi TheHighChild
[05:05] <s1> Hi! I'm completeley new to KDE and installed kubuntu-desktop from GNOME
[05:05] <s1> my ALT-Tab doesn't work when I try to switch windows
[05:06] <s1> is this normal KDE behaviour?
[05:06] <luksan> s1: no
[05:07] <s1> figures
[05:07] <s1> ^^
[05:09] <s1> there aren't any quicklinks besides the menu-button either
[05:09] <TheHighChild> s1: It's changed in the Dapper upgrade, you can change it back
[05:10] <TheHighChild> s1: System Settings > regional & accessibility > Keyboard shortcuts
[05:11] <TheHighChild> s1: Actually, the atl+ tab should work, my ctrl + tab was disabled though on both dapper machines
[05:16] <eddye> anyone here?
[05:17] <squilla> yo
[05:17] <eddye> eddye@eddye-desktop:~/Desktop/boson-all-0.12/code$ make install CMakeLists.txt
[05:17] <eddye> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:17] <eddye> eddye@eddye-desktop:~/Desktop/boson-all-0.12/code$
[05:17] <eddye> can you tell me what to do here?
[05:17] <eddye> im a new user so i don't really understand :S
[05:17] <squilla> sorry to ask - why you compiling from source - it's in the repo's if you're on dapper
[05:18] <nico8481> where do i define the cut&paste keyboards shortcuts? in the klipper properties?
[05:19] <squilla> eddye:but to possibly answer: first type "./configure" then type "make", then type "sudo make install"
[05:19] <squilla> eddye: without the ""s
[05:19] <Adam_eM> hi there
[05:20] <eddye> the problem is when i type configure
[05:20] <eddye> it says that "flax" is missing
[05:20] <s1> TheHighChild: thanks!
[05:20] <s1> it was set to alt-f11
[05:20] <TheHighChild> s1: np
[05:21] <squilla> eddye: do me a favour - open adept or synaptic and search for boson
[05:21] <nico8481> ok, found where
[05:21] <squilla> nico: well done
[05:22] <Adam_eM> i cannot install kubuntu (6.06 rc). When it comes to initializing system services, kde splash disappears and i have blue blank screen with a mouse pointer only. I cannot write in terminal when i do ctrl+alt+Fxx
[05:22] <s1> Can I make a shortcut for konqueror in file manager mode?
[05:22] <bluesceada> hi
[05:22] <bluesceada> what special stuff does the kubuntu dvd include?
[05:22] <bluesceada> why would i prefer it to the cd?
[05:23] <chavo> bluesceada, it has all of main on it
[05:23] <bluesceada> that means?
[05:23] <Adam_eM> is it possible to run kubuntu installer from other distro ?
[05:23] <bluesceada> good for people with a slow connection?
[05:23] <bluesceada> i download it for a guy i know
[05:23] <bluesceada> he tried ubuntu but now would like to also test kde .. (he didnt have linux before..)
[05:23] <squilla> Adam: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log say - look for lines with (EE) in them
[05:23] <chavo> yes it could be useful for that
[05:24] <bluesceada> kubuntu should be as easy to configure grafically, right?
[05:24] <nico8481> any idea why shift+del doesn't work as a "cut" keyboard shortcut? when i use it, whatever i've selected disappears but it's lost forever (shift+ins pastes older content)... ctrl-x/ctrl-v works perfectly, though
[05:24] <bluesceada> okay .. thansk
[05:24] <bluesceada> i download the whole dvd then
[05:24] <chavo> it will install kde by default, but it has a lot of other stuff on it
[05:24] <bluesceada> hm he already has ubuntu
[05:24] <bluesceada> so how can he easily jump over to kubunut
[05:24] <bluesceada> without loosing data...
[05:24] <Adam_eM> squilla i cannot look at any logfile since i cannot write in terminal when i switch to it
[05:25] <bluesceada> and he should still be able to login gnome if he wants
[05:25] <chavo> what version is he running?
[05:25] <bluesceada> the last ubuntu shipit cd...
[05:25] <bluesceada> 5.10 i think
[05:25] <squilla> Adam: erm ... can you boot in rescue mode?
[05:26] <neoncode> !mp3
[05:26] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:26] <chavo> bluesceada, yeah he can use the dvd to upgrade and the after that he can install kde
[05:26] <bluesceada> hm
[05:26] <bluesceada> kubuntu 6.06 dvd to upgrade his ubuntu 5.10 ?
[05:26] <Adam_eM> squilla do you mean safe graphical mode ? It's the only option i may chose, but it doesn't work as well
[05:27] <steveire> is there a DE available through apt that is smaller than xfce?
[05:27] <squilla> Adam: if it lets you read the log files it'll do nicely
[05:27] <chavo> steveire, you can try fluxbox
[05:27] <bluesceada> steveire: maybe enlightenment
[05:27] <bluesceada> fluxbox i just a wm
[05:28] <chavo> fluxbox has more than just wm
[05:28] <TheHighChild> anyone know of trouble playing cd's with Dapper?
[05:28] <bluesceada> hm .. i didnt try fluxbox for a long time
[05:28] <chavo> it has a menu and a toolbar
[05:28] <bluesceada> hm ok ..
[05:28] <nico8481> anyone has shift+delete / shift+insert working normally ? does shift+insert pastes what has been cut via shift+delete ?
[05:28] <Adam_eM> squilla unfortunately i can't type anything at terminal. Is there a possibility to launch kubuntu installer from other linux distro already installed ?
[05:29] <bluesceada> nico8481: isnt it ctrl and not shift?
[05:29] <nico8481> bluesceada: both are defined: ctrl-x/ctrl-v and shift-delete/shift-insert
[05:30] <bluesceada> oh ok
[05:30] <squilla> Adam: when you reboot is there not an option to boot in recovery/repair/rescue mode?
[05:30] <steveire> I've already installed ubuntu again on a new partition as a server install. I wan't to be able to look at <IP_ADDRESS> through a browser. If i get fluxbox, will I be able to run that and install firefox or something?
[05:30] <nico8481> bluesceada: does it work on your comp ?
[05:30] <bluesceada> hm i try. . one mom
[05:30] <Adam_eM> squilla i have to check that out... wait a second
[05:30] <bluesceada> but i use gentoo here btw^^
[05:31] <nico8481> heh :)
[05:31] <bluesceada> nico8481: yeh it does work
[05:31] <nico8481> damn
[05:31] <nico8481> here it pastes something else :(
[05:31] <bluesceada> hm
[05:31] <bluesceada> which app
[05:31] <nico8481> what i cut through shift-delete seems to be sent to some blackhole
[05:31] <nico8481> all of them
[05:31] <bluesceada> hm
[05:31] <squilla> steve:fluxbox is very capable - it has launchers for most apps, including firefox
[05:32] <bluesceada> launchers??
[05:32] <nico8481> bluesceada: what do you mean?
[05:32] <bluesceada> wasnt for you
[05:32] <nico8481> oops ok ^^;
[05:32] <squilla> blue: launcher=menu item to click and "launch" program
[05:33] <bluesceada> ah ..
[05:33] <bluesceada> you can just edit that menu
[05:33] <bluesceada> ~/.fluxbox/menu or something like that
[05:33] <squilla> blue: yes - another reason why it's so appreciated
[05:34] <squilla> steve: do you not have lynx or links installed?
[05:35] <steveire> no. what are they?
[05:35] <squilla> steve:or w3m?
[05:35] <steveire> buh?
[05:35] <Chousuke> they're text-mode browsers
[05:35] <squilla> steve: console based browsers - very sexy
[05:35] <squilla> steve: no X required
[05:35] <nico8481> no eyes neither :)
[05:36] <steveire> so they don't show images and the likes then
[05:36] <steveire> I think I have w3m actually
[05:36] <squilla> steve: yes - faster
[05:36] <squilla> steve: give it a go
[05:36] <h3sp4wn> elinks is the best I think (not bothered about images)
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> lynx is irritating because of cookies on alot of sites
[05:37] <steveire> I've opened a terminal, and w3m http://www.google.com
[05:37] <squilla> steve: useless for pr0n of course :-D
[05:37] <steveire> how do I go to a different address now?
[05:38] <steveire> arr, nopr0n
[05:38] <squilla> steve:good
[05:38] <steveire> The reason I want a window manager is so that I can install things on the server and then look at them at <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:39] <steveire> I will need images
[05:39] <steveire> this does look interesting thouh
[05:39] <squilla> steve:man w3m - but obviously you need firefox or some such - install fluxbox or icewm
[05:39] <h3sp4wn> steveire: You can use squid to what you want - fully adding certain sites to the cache
[05:41] <steveire> are you sure, reading its page on wikipedia, I either don't get it or don't agree
[05:42] <burepe2> Anyone know how I can find out the chip set on my network card
[05:42] <burepe2> ?
[05:42] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Is that you?
[05:43] <squilla> burepe2: "lspci | less"
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> Probably :)
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> henry_: this actually henry or steve?
[05:43] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Steve
[05:44] <LeeJunFan> henry_: just getting ready to leave though.
[05:44] <henry_> LeeJunFan: I have  up & runnin on henry's puter.... except Kaffeine will not play sound
[05:44] <ruben> Hello
[05:44] <steveire> now I'm confused. In fact, I think steve and variants are the most common name on the internet
[05:45] <LeeJunFan> henry_: upgraded to dapper or still breezy?
[05:45] <_Adam_eM_> squilla: i havent got any safe mode launch option
[05:45] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Dapper
[05:45] <steveire> That's a bit off topic. I'm going to try fluxbox in a bit
[05:45] <ruben> Does somebody know what's the standard login and pass of CUPS (printing) ???
[05:45] <_Adam_eM_> just "safe graphics mode" but it does the same anyways
[05:45] <henry_> LeeJunFan: if you're leaving maybe someone else will help
[05:46] <squilla> Adam: eep! - do you have a live disk? - you cannot type anything at all right - can you select "single user mode"?
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> henry_: won't play any sound? Try settings->player engine->kaffeine (not gstreamer).
[05:46] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[05:46] <LeeJunFan> henry_: it may still be trying to use gstreamer since that was the default in breezy but dapper uses xine.
[05:47] <_Adam_eM_> squilla i havent got such option in boot menu
[05:48] <ubuntu> hi all
[05:48] <squilla> Adam - I'm sorry I can't help
[05:48] <ubuntu> having a problem with the partitin manager in kubuntu while trying to go from a running LiveCD toan install. Is this a good place to get help?
[05:49] <LeeJunFan> henry_: also - if it is using xine remember mp3's won't play untill libxine-extracodecs is installed.
[05:49] <bernier> what is the konsole command to remove a file or folder?
[05:50] <lunitik> rm (-r)
[05:50] <henry_> LeeJunFan: ok how do I install that?
[05:50] <_Adam_eM_> bernier rm
[05:50] <bernier> thanks
[05:50] <lunitik> bernier: the -r is required to remove folders
[05:50] <bernier> and to remove a directory?
[05:50] <bernier> ha thanks ;)
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> henry_: first you have to enable the multiverse and universe repositories.
[05:50] <ruben> Does somebody know what's the standard login and pass of CUPS (printing) ???
[05:50] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell henry_ about repos
[05:52] <squilla> ruben:? - is it not your own password? what are you up to?
[05:52] <steveire> I'm confused. Is there a difference between a window manager and a desktop environment? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_desktop_environments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Free_window_managers
[05:52] <squilla> steveire: yes but it's blurry you can swim in it
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> steveire: technically, a window manager draws decorations around your windows and controls movement, resizing, etc...
[05:53] <steveire> I thought I'd have to install a DE like KDE (but smaller), and you recommend a window manager.
[05:53] <LeeJunFan> steveire: a window manager by itself doesn't give you much to work with.
[05:53] <TheHighChild> steveire: Window manager is the base (i.e KDE, GNOME). Desktop enviros are the windowin system plus this accompanying packages. (i.e kate for kde. nautilus for Gnome)
[05:53] <Marrs> a window manager is part of a desktop environment
[05:53] <squilla> steve: oh ye of little faith ... :-)
[05:54] <steveire> :), no just want to know exactly what I'm doing. cheers
[05:54] <ruben> no
[05:54] <ruben> it don't work
[05:54] <squilla> steveire: just teasing
[05:55] <ruben> i can't login with my root logins
[05:55] <steveire> I'm pretty sure I get you now. I may be talking to you through fluxbox in a few mins...
[05:55] <squilla> ruben: what are you trying to do? You on kubuntu/ubuntu? there's no root logon - use "sudo <your password>"
[05:55] <squilla> steveire: cool
[05:56] <ruben> kubuntu
[05:56] <ruben> i want add my printer
[05:56] <steveire> once i aptitude install it, will it load automatically when I boot? will I have to run fluxbox or something to start it?
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> ruben: you can log in as root to cups if you set a root password on your system, but you also need to add user cupsys to group shadow
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> owell, gotta run - later.
[05:57] <ruben> i have a root passwoord
[05:57] <squilla> steveire: it will install X-server etc.
[05:57] <ruben> is it the linux root password ?
[05:58] <steveire> so, automatic?
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: add cupsys to group shadow
[05:58] <ruben> ? how must i do that ?
[05:58] <squilla> steveire: if no graphical login manager loads then login at the console and type "startx"
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: man gpasswd
[05:58] <LeeJunFan> ruben: sudo gpasswd -a cupsys shadow
[05:59] <steveire> grand. later...
[06:00] <ruben> user add to group shadow .
[06:00] <ruben> and now ?
[06:00] <wrede> How do I get easyubuntu to work. I can't accept the java licencse
[06:00] <ruben> user cupsys
[06:02] <ruben> ?
[06:03] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Ok I've enabled those... now get update???
[06:03] <LeeJunFan> henry_: update repos, then install libxine-extracodecs
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> henry_: gotta run, taking kids out fishing. ttyl.
[06:04] <henry_> LeeJunFan:should I use apt-get update?
[06:04] <LeeJunFan> henry_: you can do it from adept fine.
[06:05] <henry_> LeeJunFan: Have fun fishing.... catch lots
[06:05] <blackflag> Hello all
[06:05] <Cayou> Hello guys, I have a Prescott CPU, which in MS Windows shows up as two CPUs. I can only see one in Kubuntu.. any ideas?
[06:06] <Bazzi> Cayou: is the smp kernel active?
[06:06] <blackflag> I want to change hdds from one machine to another
[06:06] <blackflag> what is the bst way to do it?
[06:06] <Cayou> Bazzi: ehm... how do I find out?
[06:06] <Bazzi> uname -a or uname -r in the console
[06:07] <Bazzi> if you find a "smp" in there everything is alrighty
[06:07] <blackflag> I just take the hadd from machine one and put it into machine 2
[06:07] <Cayou> Bazzi: no smp...
[06:07] <Bazzi> mmmh
[06:07] <blackflag> when I boot now I get the grub error 18
[06:07] <Cayou> I get this: Linux steve-desktop 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:07] <blackflag> Is there a way to change the hardware?
[06:08] <Bazzi> it is questionable anyways whether or not hyperthreading works well.
[06:08] <Bazzi> so I wouldn't be sad over it not working
[06:08] <Cayou> ok
[06:08] <dr_willis> blackflag,  ive done that befor,, with very few problems.. but you may need to reconfigure the video cards
[06:09] <kbrooks> OK
[06:09] <Bazzi> OK?
[06:10] <lamppa> Hi! I just installed kubuntu when my ubuntu broke.. And I noticed that I cant install synaptic from some crappy kde packet program?
[06:11] <kosh> kde packet program?
[06:11] <h3sp4wn> packet is german for package I think
[06:11] <kosh> also you are far more likely to get help if you don't call stuff crappy
[06:12] <lamppa> Adept?
[06:12] <drbreen> hello i have a problem with cups
[06:12] <kosh> ah adept is a package manager
[06:12] <lamppa> Yea it is..
[06:12] <drbreen> i did a dist-upgrade and now i cannot print no more
[06:12] <drbreen> can some1 help me ?
[06:13] <kosh> hmm I have synaptic and adept installed they don't conflict with each other
[06:13] <lunitik> lamppa: does it tell why you can't install it?
[06:13] <steveire> I installed fluxbox, but when I typed startx, I got unknown command
[06:13] <lamppa> But its basic rep dont got synaptic and its recruited packages?
[06:13] <kosh> lamppa: can you just do sudo apt-get install synaptic
[06:13] <lunitik> lamppa: not to mention, why would you want synaptic in a KDE environment? its crappy enough when using a GTK DE
[06:14] <lamppa> I have just used to it ^
[06:14] <lunitik> there is a reason aptitude is installed by default
[06:14] <steveire> I've just realised that I could probably have used irssi to come in here...
[06:14] <lunitik> kosh: umm... it is
[06:15] <lunitik> drbreen: CUPS is broken on Dapper... go bitch at the devs
[06:15] <kosh> steveire: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[06:15] <lamppa> Umm I got some error messages but they are in finnish....
[06:15] <lunitik> kosh: aptitude!
[06:15] <dr_willis> drbreen,  cups has some issues sadly. im not sure what to tell ya.. i got mine going by nstalling several of the foomatic printer drivers and using the webinterface
[06:15] <kosh> drbreen: sorry I have no idea on that I have not used a printer in years
[06:15] <lunitik> lamppa: you know finnish right? translate for us
[06:15] <drbreen> is there a workaround ?
[06:15] <kosh> lunitik: why do you like aptitude over just typing that command?
[06:15] <steveire> ok, I'll do that so. Failing that, might there be anything else?
[06:16] <dr_willis> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2072   some info on CUPS
[06:16] <lamppa> Yes I know but there is lots of it xD
[06:16] <steveire> i like aptitude too
[06:16] <drbreen> can i use the GNOME counterpart for example... ?
[06:16] <lunitik> kosh: its more intelligent... aptitude is like apt-get-ng
[06:16] <kosh> steveire: there could probably be many other things but that is a very good start but I don't like to guess about what else could be wrong without knowing the answer to that question
[06:16] <lamppa> It complains that some of needed packets cant be installed for some reason xD
[06:17] <kosh> give the exact error message is useful
[06:17] <kosh> without that there is no way to help
[06:17] <steveire> ok.
[06:17] <lunitik> lamppa: aptitude will attempt to correct conflicts etc... might be more enlightening
[06:17] <exhale> whats the diff between apt-get and aptitute?
[06:17] <lunitik> kosh: the exact error message is in finnish... you know finnish?
[06:17] <dr_willis> when in doubt use apitutude its smarter. :P
[06:17] <lamppa> Yea right?
[06:18] <kosh> apt-get does exactly what you tell it and only the minimum necessary to do what you told it
[06:18] <lunitik> exhale: aptitude is more intelligent... more conflict resolution smarts... just better in general
[06:18] <kosh> that is why I like it
[06:18] <exhale> so i should use aptitute instead?
[06:18] <lamppa> It says that those depencies cant be installed...
[06:18] <steveire> and if you want to uninstall things, aptitude will get rid of things you don't need anymore
[06:18] <kosh> lunitik: well maybe he could translate it to english, but an unknown error has occurred is darn close to useful for debugging
[06:18] <lunitik> exhale: I'd advise yes... apt-get is about 10 year old technology.
[06:18] <steveire> laters (hopefully)
[06:19] <lamppa> It says that those depencies cant be installed...
[06:19] <Chousuke> lamppa: you can run a program with LC_ALL=C <command here> to get English error messages temporarily.
[06:19] <Chousuke> like LC_ALL=C apt-get update
[06:19] <lamppa> kk thx
[06:20] <drbreen> dr_willis: that sounds bad. is there any chance i can install the printer another way ?
[06:20] <Cholito> let's hope WoW won't give any troubles while installing hehe
[06:21] <lamppa> Reading package lists... Done
[06:21] <dr_willis> drbreen,  not sure.. the more i google obn cups and ubuntu/dapper the more people having probmes i find
[06:21] <lamppa> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:21] <lamppa> Correcting dependencies... failed.
[06:21] <lamppa> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:21] <lamppa>   libc6: Depends: tzdata but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>   libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-0ubuntu20) but 2.3.6-15 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>   synaptic: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.5.1) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is installed
[06:21] <lamppa>             Depends: libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11) but it is not installable
[06:21] <lamppa> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
[06:21] <lamppa> E: Unable to correct dependencies
[06:22] <defrysk> !paste
[06:22] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .
[06:22] <lamppa> Here you go.
[06:22] <lunitik> lamppa: aptitude install tzdata .... why does it say it can't install?
[06:23] <lunitik> lamppa: is this supposed to be an edgy install?
[06:23] <lamppa> Unable to resolve dependencies!  Giving up...
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> i seem to get an error message everytime i use ark to extract something
[06:23] <lunitik> lamppa: add dapper back, edgy hasn't seen many big merges yet, and thus is mostly useless
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> but all the files are extracted fine as far as i can tell
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> am using dapper at the moment and had the same problem with the dapper beta
[06:23] <DrNickRiviera> anyone got an idea what might be causing this?
[06:24] <lunitik> DrNickRiviera: what does the error message say?
[06:24] <lamppa> Lunitik what?
[06:24] <DrNickRiviera> the log lists a lot of the files and says that they can't be found in the archive
[06:25] <lunitik> lamppa: gcc 4.1 afaik is an edgy thing...
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> lamppa: Are you trying to run ubuntu edgy eft ?
[06:25] <lamppa> edgy?
[06:25] <lamppa> Nah
[06:25] <lamppa> Dapper
[06:25] <lunitik> gcc in dapper is 4.0.x
[06:25] <h3sp4wn> check /etc/apt/sources.list check that it definately says dapper not edgy
[06:26] <lunitik> although libc in edgy is 2.4... so idgi
[06:27] <lamppa> In sources.list everyting is dapper dapper...
[06:27] <DrNickRiviera> yeah, it's definitely extracting the files fine, just giving me this annoying error message
[06:27] <drbreen> dr_willis: are there other packages i can use instead oder can i just use gnome-cups-manager ?
[06:28] <lunitik> cups is b0rked in dapper
[06:28] <dr_willis> drbreen,  i know of 3 ways to add printers to cups.. the web interface, the gnome interface, and kdes interface..
[06:28] <dr_willis> oh and the command line interface..,
[06:29] <drbreen> dr_willis: if i use t3h gnome interface, can i print then ?
[06:29] <lamppa> I might found solution... :)
[06:29] <dr_willis> the interfaces all do the EXACT same thing., :P
[06:29] <dr_willis> use any of them . they just configure the cups system
[06:29] <lamppa> My reps maybe messed xD
[06:30] <lamppa> ya right xD
[06:30] <steveire> hu
[06:30] <steveire> hi
[06:30] <drbreen> dr_willis: and can i print then from kde apps ? or is that somehow b0rk3d too ?
[06:31] <steveire> eh, I'm using irssi at the moment because I can't really get fluxbox working properly
[06:31] <dr_willis> once ya get the printers configured in any of the tools.. it should work for the system
[06:31] <lamppa> What was command to remove synaptic?
[06:31] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude purge synaptic
[06:32] <steveire> When I right click on the desktop, a menu appears, and when I select any app, nothing happens but the menu disappears
[06:33] <dr_willis> steveire,  you may want to start fluxbox with 'startx' and by editing the .xinitrc, that way you can see any error messages. (or there may be some in your home dir allready in some log files)
[06:34] <uniq> steveire: error messages would be in ~/.xsession-errors
[06:34] <exhale> does anyone here us an nforce4 motherboard?
[06:38] <lamppa> How I can get broken synaptic removed?
[06:38] <steveire> cat .xsession-errors returns a lot
[06:38] <lamppa> It just complains that commit would break packages?
[06:39] <steveire> clicking in fluxbox works to change theme and tings like that. It just won't start any apps
[06:39] <lamppa> How I can get broken synaptic removed?
[06:39] <lamppa> It just complains that commit would break packages?
[06:41] <lamppa> I cant install anyting with adept manager :/
[06:41] <lamppa> I maybe just install this crap again..
[06:44] <james_xxx> steveire: are you trying to use fluxbox with ubuntu?
[06:44] <steveire> yes
[06:44] <james_xxx> steveire: but after you install it, it won't let you load programs?
[06:45] <steveire> I made a new partition, did a server install, and I am now trying to get a very lightweight window manager (I think)
[06:45] <steveire> that's right james_xxx
[06:45] <steveire> have you encountered this before?
[06:45] <james_xxx> steveire: is there a reason you would not just use xubuntu?
[06:46] <james_xxx> steveire: no, but i have thought about doing what you are doing
[06:46] <steveire> All I want on this partition is a LAMP system that I can open a browser on and access localhost
[06:47] <steveire> xubuntu-desktop would be overkill i think, but I may consider trying to install xfce or something if I can't make this work
[06:50] <steveire> I'll install icewm actually, and see if that helps
[06:50] <Kadran> hi i have problem with mid files, it tells me 'Could not open /dev/sequencer' any help?
[06:51] <Pussycat> hi guys
[06:52] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[06:52] <Pussycat> can somebody tell me if its possible to install kubuntu via ssh?
[06:53] <uniq> pussycat: like getting the files from sftp or moving from another linux system to debian without physical access to the computer?
[06:54] <Pussycat> no like the guy inserts the alternate install cd, and I log myself in to this system and install it to that pc
[06:55] <uniq> might be possible, don't know.
[06:55] <Pussycat> hmm, ok
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Pussycat, the debian installer supports it - sort of. i'm not sure if you can get ubuntu's instller to though
[06:55] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  :)
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey kkathman :)
[06:55] <kkathman> howdy :)
[06:55] <Pussycat> ok, thank yu guys
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> np Pussycat
[06:56] <Pussycat> I will test it (maybe)
[06:56] <Pussycat> cya
[06:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman, yeh, at work early am after setting stuff up. i just dont want to get off my but now :)
[06:56] <tomH3> i want to stop some startup program, how can i stop?
[06:57] <tomH3> im new to kubuntu.
[06:57] <steveire> I'm having the same issue with icewm. I'll reboot and see what happens
[06:59] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  I see.. yah Im doing some backups here, getting ready to re-install my other linux box to get a clean start
[06:59] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: well not my "other" linux box, but the other installation on this same linux box :)
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. backups... just finished puting them back into place
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:00] <steveire> Maybe I have to configure X somehow?
[07:00] <kkathman> I have alot of music/graphics/videos for my webwork, and its a pain to move :)
[07:00] <rigonatti> can anyone help me with a dual boot ?
[07:00] <serenity> hi all
[07:01] <kkathman> rigonatti:  what do you want to dual boot?
[07:01] <Snake> Can anyone help me with kopete
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman, this was all data from a multi user system, getting moved around and back again, after counting time for mapping UIDs to real (existing) users new ids it took a while
[07:01] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  I can imagine it would :)
[07:01] <serenity> has anyone updated firefox in the last 2-3 days? Since this update ff gets really crapy. Who else?
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:01] <kkathman> Snake:  what possible help could you need? hheh
[07:02] <Snake> I try to have a jabber confrence, and when I hit send, it closes the window
[07:02] <rigonatti> kkathman
[07:02] <Snake> then it pops back up when someone else in the confrence sends a message
[07:02] <kkathman> Snake: could just be the normal thing with kopete...its buggy
[07:02] <kkathman> its always been buggy
[07:02] <rigonatti> I have a Windows XP instalation works fine ...
[07:02] <Snake> Heh
[07:02] <Snake> Id prefer no to resort to gaim
[07:03] <Snake> not*
[07:03] <Snake> but i will till I get an answer :)
[07:03] <kkathman> Snake:  yah well
[07:03] <kkathman> Snake:  are you on 11 or 12
[07:03] <rigonatti> so .. i put the kubuntu install.... create the partitions ...format...set to / ...then restart the pc...
[07:03] <Snake> kkathman: 12
[07:03] <rigonatti> but...the system dont show me a option to dual boot...just go directly to Windows
[07:07] <Dasnipa`> rigonatti, did you change your boot flag to your linux drive?
[07:08] <Dasnipa`> that is where the bootloader would be installed
[07:09] <Snake> kkathman: you were right
[07:09] <Snake> its a buggy
[07:09] <kkathman> hehe
[07:09] <kkathman> imagine my surprise
[07:10] <maz3r> hi people, I would like to know if those who managed the setup the xgl server could link me to a good howto setting up xgl on kubuntu dapper; i have already tried a few tutorials, but none have worked for the moment, i keep getting kde to freeze on a blue screen when opening a new session; here is one of the Howto i've followed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077 ; i've looked at the syslog and the kdm.log and could only find li
[07:10] <maz3r> ttle errors concerning the keyboard or the fonts.
[07:10] <Snake> :)
[07:10] <maz3r> any help would be appreciated :)
[07:11] <TheHighChild> !xgl
[07:11] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:12] <kkathman> Snake:  That app has maybe been one of the poorest quality applications in the kde family traditionally
[07:12] <rigonatti> Dasnipa...what do u mean ?
[07:12] <Snake> Heh
[07:12] <maz3r> well thx TheHighChild i'll log there
[07:12] <kkathman> Its why most everyone uses something else (usu Gaim)
[07:12] <TheHighChild> hope it helps maz3r
[07:13] <Trae> anyone know why I don't get an event hint with gaim under KDE like I do on GNOME?
[07:13] <rigonatti> can anyone help me with a dual boot ?
[07:13] <TheHighChild> kkathman: I use Gaim because I hate the icons in Kopete
[07:13] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: What are you trying to do?
[07:13] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  I have a Windows XP instalation works fine ...
[07:14] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  so .. i put the kubuntu install.... create the partitions ...format...set to / ...then restart the pc...
[07:14] <rigonatti> TheHighChild: but...the system dont show me a option to dual boot...just go directly to Windows
[07:14] <Bazzi> rigonatti: multiple harddisks?
[07:14] <kkathman> TheHighChild:  Sounds as if no grub was written
[07:14] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: have you installed Kubuntu or just used the Live boot?
[07:14] <kkathman> otherwise Windows wouldnt have the MBR
[07:14] <rigonatti> yeah...but the Windows and Linux are in the same SATA drive...but diferent partitions
[07:15] <rigonatti> TheHighChild:  the 6.06 Install CD runs a Live Session with a Desktop Icon: Isntall...
[07:15] <rigonatti> then u click and start a fresh instalation
[07:15] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: Yeah and have you gone through the install?
[07:15] <rigonatti> Yep!
[07:17] <rigonatti> ?
[07:17] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: One sec, I am googling. Not sure off hand
[07:17] <rigonatti> ok
[07:17] <rigonatti> txs TheHIghChild
[07:18] <rigonatti> just a blink:  In the Breeze version ..the install prompt a GRUB Loader options that show the others OS system ...then works fine.
[07:21] <psychiccyberfrea> hey can anyone help me with a wireless problem
[07:22] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: Sorry man. i am not too sure what your problem could be. You can always try reinstalling grub
[07:23] <rigonatti> TheHighChild: I had...for 3 times.
[07:23] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: You could use the live boot cd and do 'grub-install /dev/hdxx' '/dev/hdxx' being the partition you want to install it on
[07:23] <rigonatti> Dasnipa told me to set the boot flag
[07:23] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: I'd keep asking around here. There are a lot of real smart people (sorry i am not one of them) or I suggest posting on ubuntuforums.org
[07:24] <psychiccyberfrea> hey can anyone help me with a wireless problem
[07:24] <shredder81> I am kind of new to linux, I just downloaded sane-backends-1.0.17, How do I install it??
[07:24] <rigonatti> dont worry TheHighChild !! Txs for the help
[07:25] <TheHighChild> rigonatti: np man, good luck!
[07:25] <Snake> shredder81: where did you download from?
[07:25] <shredder81> http://www.sane-project.org
[07:26] <Snake> shredder81: you dont need to go to website to get programs, there is a program called adept with nearly 20,000 programs that you can install right off that.
[07:27] <Snake> shredder81: see Kmenu -> System --> adept
[07:27] <Snake> if I remeber right
[07:27] <kkathman> well some programs arent in the repos tho Snake
[07:27] <kkathman> like Opera
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: nope, but sane is
[07:27] <kkathman> and some people want recent versions too :)
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: go ahead and help this guy out with sources then, I got to run
[07:27] <Snake> Gonna play putput
[07:27] <Snake> :D
[07:27] <kkathman> !sources
[07:27] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[07:27] <Snake> kkathman: I ment building :P
[07:31] <steveire> if anyone was following, I installed xfce and thunar from aptitude, so it is now working. I think maybe if I installed thunar before, I could have had icewm or fluxbox working...
[07:31] <psychiccyberfrea> hey ndiswrapper stopped working for me after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:36] <noel> hi! does kopete 0.12 will be in dapper-backport?
[07:37] <rlj> i am about to install a fresh kubuntu (+gnome packages as well i think) system on an amd64 laptop. are there many packages not functioning for amd64 still or other problems with the arch, or are the benefits of running native 64bit too small for it to be wise to install a amd64 kubuntu (and not the x86)?
[07:40] <rigonatti> hi all...
[07:41] <psychiccyberfrea> hey ndiswrapper stopped working for me after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:41] <rigonatti> Its a good thing install  the Breezy then update to dapper ?
[07:42] <psychiccyberfrea> it's reccomended that you do a clean install of dapper it takes less time ;)
[07:42] <rigonatti> psychiccy...... should be ...but the Dapper isntall...dont make a dual boot naturally like Breezy
[07:42] <psychiccyberfrea> once you get breezy packages on there you have to dump those and fetch the new ones off the internet
[07:43] <psychiccyberfrea> it does it with the package manager easy but it still takes about 5 hours
[07:43] <psychiccyberfrea> (with high speed DSL)
[07:43] <rigonatti> i think that its my only option since Dapper dont make a Dual Boot like Breezy
[07:44] <Rainier> hello everyone
[07:44] <Rainier> time for a question?
[07:44] <rigonatti> so.... what i need to do ? just install and then change my source.list to dapper ?
[07:45] <Rainier> i got a problem with some 3d games
[07:45] <Rainier> resolution doesn't change back to normal
[07:47] <h3sp4wn> psychicvyberfrea: Are you using broadcom wireless (if so look at the bcm43xx page in the wiki)
[07:50] <neoXite> hi, is there a trick to getting a microphone to work in dapper?
[07:50] <neoXite> i am an alsa noob by i checked and nothing seems muted
[07:51] <psychiccyberfrea> I'm having a problem with ndiswrapper after I upgraded to dapper what should I do?
[07:57] <DjDarkman> hy what is tha path to qt?
[07:57] <DjDarkman> i nedd to compile something
[07:57] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: umm... fix it?
[07:59] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah how?
[07:59] <lunitik> DjDarkman: you need to install libqt3-mt-dev
[07:59] <Univers> please help me - just instaled Ubuntu 6.06 on my Toshiba laptop and is asking me for user pass login - but i didn't set any during install
[07:59] <DjDarkman> yes but then what will be the path to qt?
[07:59] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: you have to reinstall the driver if you upgraded ndiswrapper
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> it appears when I do ndiswrapper -l though
[08:00] <lunitik> Univers: how you manage to install without setting a username and password?
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> sounds like a bad disk unibers
[08:00] <lunitik> psychiccyberfrea: obviously its not working though......
[08:00] <Univers> the install process didn't ask me 2 set any
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> it sees the device but the hardware is not working
[08:00] <psychiccyberfrea> weird
[08:01] <DjDarkman> Univers: i need to specify the path to qt when compileing a program ,what should i write there ,btw i already have the qt dev files
[08:01] <Univers> and now i have the login screen with no user and no pass to input
[08:01] <psychiccyberfrea> yeah univers try shipit if you have a bad CD
[08:01] <lunitik> DjDarkman: dpkg -L libqt3-mt-dev
[08:01] <DjDarkman> thanks lunitik
[08:02] <Univers> damn ...is was new ...ufff
[08:02] <Univers> thx anyway
[08:03] <psychiccyberfrea> lunitik: can you help me?
[08:09] <TheHighChild> psych: Have you checked the forums?
[08:10] <henry_> Can anyone help?  I have no sound from Kaffiene!
[08:11] <h3sp4wn> henry_: enable multiverse and install libxine-extracodecs (it can be done from adept)
[08:12] <henry_> h3sp4wn: I've done that
[08:13] <sikor_sxe> when i use klaptop to do suspend to ram my ndiswrapper driven wlan card sometimes won't work after wake up anymore
[08:13] <psych> yeah somebody had a similar prob but they didn't reply
[08:14] <sikor_sxe> i think i remember there was a way to make certain modules unload before suspend and load again after wakeup
[08:14] <sikor_sxe> but i don't remember where those modules could be entered
[08:15] <psych> TheHighChild: yeah somebody had a similar prob but they didn't reply
[08:18] <SalsaDoom> Hi fellas. I'm using 6.06, and I'm have a spot of trouble /w my digital camera. It is auto detected, and gphoto2 can use it.. but konqueror just says "Bad parameters" when I click on it
[08:18] <SalsaDoom> having, rather.
[08:24] <sdolnack> how do i listen to WMA samples on amazon
[08:33] <Midspeed> hi everyone, i have a question, does anybody know of any video recording program that works with webcams???
[08:34] <Kadran> sdolnack: use kmplayer
[08:35] <Kadran> sdolnack: and install windows codecs
[08:35] <sdolnack> kmplayer or mplayer?
[08:36] <Kadran> both are the same
[08:36] <noel> Hi guys, when does the kopete 0.12 will be available on dapper-backport? :)
[08:36] <Kadran> but make sure that you installed the codecs
[08:36] <Midspeed> hi everyone, i have a question, does anybody know of any video recording program that works with webcams???
[08:36] <sdolnack> so what should i install in adept?
[08:36] <sdolnack> mplayer or kmplayer?
[08:36] <Kadran> noel: no
[08:37] <Kadran> sdolnack: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[08:37] <sdolnack> and then what are the mplayer-686 dummy packages?
[08:37] <Kadran> noel: i have done it from the source code
[08:38] <sdolnack> so what is the diff between installing kmplayer and installing mplayer
[08:38] <sdolnack> and installing mplayer-686
[08:38] <Kadran> sdolnack: that means it is a pakage used just to make install for other pakages but it don't have any thing it self
[08:38] <noel> I tried to install the kopete from the source package, but I encounter problems on dependencies, I post it on ubuntuforums, (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=194477)
[08:38] <Kadran> kmplayer is a front end for mplayer
[08:39] <Kadran> noel: i have used kompile and it was preety easy
[08:39] <noel> i tried kompile is application?
[08:39] <noel> i should installed it? will try that 1.
[08:39] <noel> :D
[08:40] <Kadran> good luck
[08:40] <noel> thanks
[08:40] <noel> do i have to remove my older kopete (0.11.3)?
[08:41] <Kadran> no
[08:41] <noel> thanks :D
[08:41] <Kadran> sdolnack: 'sudo apt-get install kmplayer-konq-plugins w32codecs'
[08:41] <Kadran> noel: you are welcome
[08:42] <Kadran> sdolnack: this comand should solve it all
[08:42] <noel> :)
[08:42] <andrzejsz> hi, i've just started fighting with kubuntu 6. Has anybody any idea why suspend-to-ram on HP-Compaq nx9105 is unidirectional (i mean - it goes to sleep very nice, but it doesn't want to get up)...
[08:43] <Kadran> noel: if you hate the complie ... you can use kopete 0.12 beta1 they are the same
[08:43] <Kadran> noel: and they have a kubuntu pakage for it
[08:43] <noel> hmm i know this is not the right channel to ask... but I would like to get a comment from you guys. I am currently wanting to learn how to program applications which language is better C/C++ or Python?
[08:43] <noel> oh okay!  thanks Kadran...
[08:43] <bluesceada> noel: "better" in what term
[08:44] <bluesceada> ah ..
[08:44] <bluesceada> python is scripting, slower, not suitable for all terms
[08:44] <noel> bluesceada: better in term of power
[08:44] <bluesceada> easier
[08:44] <noel> corss platform
[08:44] <bluesceada> noel: of course c/c++
[08:44] <bluesceada> ah cross platform..
[08:44] <bluesceada> then it's python
[08:45] <andrzejsz> i would suggest starting with ANSI C :)
[08:45] <Kadran> noel: try to learn qt programming with c++
[08:46] <noel> okay thanks guys... :)
[08:46] <Kadran> np
[08:47] <noel> I just bought a book of C Programing by Larry Ullman and Marc Liyanage (peachpit press)
[08:47] <noel> and just done printing the Dive into python :)
[08:47] <Kadran> i never bought a programming book :)
[08:48] <andrzejsz> which of this books is heavier? :)
[08:48] <noel> whoa! how'd you learn programming?
[08:48] <ColonelPanic001> Hello.
[08:48] <noel> I am having a hard time reading on monitor
[08:48] <Kadran> they are all exist in softcopy from the internet
[08:48] <noel> okay :)
[08:49] <noel> so you'd suggest to go with C/C++? :) compared to other one? (in your opinion)
[08:49] <Kadran> you print what you like and delete the other
[08:50] <noel> hahaha i printed the whole book hehehe i took me 1 1/2 to finish it.
[08:50] <andrzejsz> IMHO C is better to start - as many language's grammar is based on it.
[08:50] <Kronoz> C++ even better :p
[08:50] <andrzejsz> i'm purist
[08:50] <andrzejsz> :)
[08:50] <Kronoz> then you have an extension + base
[08:50] <Kronoz> andrzejsz, ah but kde is in c++
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> I think it is best to start with assembler (but not on x86 - 68000 or arm or mips)
[08:50] <ColonelPanic001> In the Kubuntu FAQ page, there's a link about installing Kubuntu on an existing Ubuntu install, but it's a 404. Is this information elsewhere on the site?
[08:51] <andrzejsz> kronoz: ok. you won.
[08:51] <andrzejsz> :)
[08:51] <Kadran> did any one tried C#
[08:51] <Kronoz> ColonelPanic001, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:51] <noel> kool guys :)
[08:51] <Kronoz> c# is microsoft doctrine of c i believe
[08:52] <noel> my friend told me to start with C then C++
[08:52] <andrzejsz> c# is microsoft vision of java.
[08:52] <andrzejsz> they took java and f**d some things...
[08:52] <asimon> A good language to start programming with is Scheme, just because of the fantastic book from Abelson and Sussman, this book does a great job teaching you the fundamentals of programming
[08:52] <noel> he is a java programmer..
[08:52] <ColonelPanic001> Kronoz: I did that, and KDM is used now and all that, but the desktop still comes up as Gnome.  I should know that.
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> I'm a Ubuntu noob, but I've used debian for a few years. heh
[08:53] <ColonelPanic001> Thanks, though. The help is appreciated
[08:54] <Kronoz> np
[08:54] <noel> guys, this is the book I bought this afternoon.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0321287630/103-9658259-2931041?v=glance&n=283155
[08:54] <ColonelPanic001> Still getting used to this crazy "no root login" stuff. Weeeeird
[08:54] <noel> i just dont know if I can get something or learn from the book
[08:54] <andrzejsz> noel: just try :D
[08:55] <noel> yup :)
[08:55] <andrzejsz> "ANSI C: Just do it"
[08:55] <Kadran> noel: any book is good to start then you will ship on your own
[08:55] <Kronoz> noel, linux programming by example by kurt wall
[08:55] <Kronoz> noel, and cplusplus.com
[08:56] <Kronoz> ColonelPanic001, yeah that me a while too
[08:56] <noel> guys, thank you so much for all you suggestion, Im sure this will be a big help for me as a starter. I really appreciated it a lot :)
[08:57] <andrzejsz> "we can only show you the door"
[08:57] <andrzejsz> (c) by matrix
[08:57] <andrzejsz> :D
[08:57] <noel> nothing more than that? hehe just kidding :L)
[08:58] <andrzejsz> ok. choose your pill ;)
[08:58] <Kronoz> noel, all you need is perseverence, which is why i fail at it :p
[08:58] <Kadran> yeah blue or red
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> Learning matrix algebra properly helped my programs to work alot for effectively (It was a library for a mapping program)
[08:58] <noel> maybe i fail too!
[08:59] <noel> hmmmm.
[08:59] <Kadran> noel: you can do many things with c++ for example you can use octave lib to do tuff math
[09:00] <noel> thats cool!
[09:00] <asimon> h3sp4wn: Good mathematical foundations are always good ;-) Another good book in this regard is Concrete Mathematics from Graham/Knuth/Patashnik.
[09:00] <noel> great!
[09:00] <Kronoz> cool stuff to learn is perl/python/ruby
[09:01] <noel> guys, I need to go  :) need to sleep now. its 3:00am already hehe
[09:01] <asimon> Kronoz: Python and Ruby definitely yes, but Perl?
[09:01] <andrzejsz> sure... perl... but i think you have to got some knowledge about programming _before_ starting learing Perl
[09:01] <iNiku> perl is great for many things
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> asimon: perl is great it avoids too much needless typing
[09:01] <Kronoz> perl is great for irc bots :)
[09:01] <andrzejsz> i do perl for living ...
[09:01] <andrzejsz>  :D
[09:01] <iNiku> perl is great for sysadmin stuff, too
[09:01] <ColonelPanic001> <3 perl
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> I'm a web developer, we develop in perl
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> Perl makes even learning to program fun
[09:02] <asimon> h3sp4wn: A good editor does the same ;-)
[09:02] <ColonelPanic001> whereas for me, it was frustrating
[09:02] <andrzejsz> yep. and it makes bugtracking a hell
[09:02] <noel> bye
[09:02] <andrzejsz> bye
[09:02] <kalle> I need help installing my printer. it's a samsung CLP-500 connected to a JetDirect
[09:02] <Rainier> does anyone know why kubuntu doesnt return to normal resolution after playing 3d games?
[09:03] <iNiku> debugging write-only perl code is hell
[09:03] <iNiku> but you don't have to write it like that :)
[09:03] <Jaquel> Anyone know how to get the zip drive icon off the desktop?
[09:03] <andrzejsz> yes, i don't have to write it like that
[09:04] <andrzejsz> but tell that to some people i work with...
[09:04] <andrzejsz> :D
[09:04] <Jaquel> No "Remove" or "Delete" options
[09:04] <Rainier> yeah even i know that :-)
[09:04] <Rainier> Jaquel: Right-click on the destop
[09:05] <Rainier> Jaquel: and select...properties i think
[09:05] <Rainier> not sure since my kubuntu is in spanish
[09:05] <h3sp4wn> andrzejsz: What do you know about microperl ?
[09:05] <asimon> Jaquel: Right-click with the mouse on the desktop => configure desktop => Behavior => Device Icons, choose what devices should have a icon and which not.
[09:06] <asimon> microperl? Sounds like the worst of two worlds ;-)
[09:06] <andrzejsz> isn't this even-minimized version of miniperl?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> Yes but I can't find any docs about what it does and doesn't include (trying to port some modules to work on it)
[09:07] <iNiku> microperl is what you can use on embeddeed devices, right?
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> yes
[09:07] <iNiku> -e
[09:07] <Jaquel> Thanks for the help Rainier and asimon!
[09:07] <brandon_> if i write a bash script that includes some commands that require root privileges, is there a way to supply the password automatically?
[09:07] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I was looking into getting it running on my router but there's just not enough space
[09:07] <Rainier> no problem
[09:08] <iNiku> so I had to settle to awk
[09:08] <iNiku> which is very _awk_ward
[09:08] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: What router ?
[09:08] <weedar> Has anyone had any success getting Canon i850 printer working under Dapper?
[09:08] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: a buffalo running dd-wrt
[09:08] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: with openwrt there probably would be space, but I can't be bothered
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: dd-wrt makes a real mess of nvram
[09:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: how's that?
[09:09] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Creating loads of variables in it
[09:09] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: well, that doesn't hurt if you only run dd-wrt...
[09:10] <iNiku> and you can always reset it, anyway :)
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Reset is not safe on some models
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Then it can be bricked
[09:10] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: yeah, at least the openwrt docs say that
[09:10] <Jaquel> brandon: have you tried running the script with sudo?
[09:11] <weedar> Has anyone had any success getting Canon i850 printer working under Dapper?
[09:11] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: dd-wrt is much less of a pain to set up, though
[09:11] <bernier> !flash
[09:11] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:12] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: depending on what you want to do, of course. openwrt is way more flexible if you want to depart from the standard feature set...
[09:12] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Openwrt is not that hard to setup - the latest dd-wrt uses alot of openwrt anyway
[09:14] <SalsaDoom> Hi fellas. I'm having a problem with my digital camera. It is detected by gtkam and works perfectly, but camera:// just error instantly with "bad parameters". Anyone know how to fix this?
[09:14] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: not that hard probably, but it still requires a lot more reading and manual configuration, whereas in dd-wrt pretty much everything can be done through the web gui
[09:14] <bernier> hi, when i close my computer , it all goes well until it gets to "will now halt". there's the click sound of my comp closing but it doesnt. it simply stays there. O know it has something to do with the nvidia drivers because it's since that day it does that. anyone know how i can fix it?
[09:14] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: All the networking stuff can be done from the webif of openwrt
[09:15] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: it's not like I don't know how to configure things on the command line but for something like that, I just can't be bothered
[09:16] <SalsaDoom> bernier: I'd look at your AGP settings... AGP is buggy buggy. See if its using the kernels agp driver or nvidia's
[09:17] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: I enjoy the comforts of a sensible user interface sometimes... that's why I switched to ubuntu, too :P
[09:17] <bernier> salsadoom how?
[09:17] <SalsaDoom> bernier: I forget :D
[09:17] <bernier> lol
[09:17] <SalsaDoom> its like... /proc/drivers/agp or something like that
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> I think you could just goto proc and do: "find | grep -i nvidia" and find the right place.. a couple of little text files and one of them says which agp driver its using
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> Its been a long time since I've had to debug something like that so my memory is foggy
[09:18] <SalsaDoom> Anyway, someone here probably has a digital camera, anyone have one that WORKS?
[09:19] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:19] <SalsaDoom> with kamera:// i should say. gtkam works for me, but stupid kamera:/ grabs the device. I could deal with that but this is my moms computer, so..
[09:20] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> Yeah, you just friggan asked
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> did you think it scrolled away in a second mabye?
[09:20] <SalsaDoom> Mabye people here have like 5 lines of text viewable at once?
[09:20] <ColonelPanic001> I do.
[09:20] <ColonelPanic001> o.o
[09:21] <jpatrick> !ask
[09:21] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[09:21] <s1> In Konqueror, how do I get the bookmark folders like in firefox? bookmark toolbar something?
[09:29] <bernier> !sevea's
[09:29] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bernier
[09:29] <Kronoz> s1, settings > config toolbars > check bookmark toolbar i think
[09:30] <ports> hey
[09:30] <Kronoz> hi
[09:31] <rigonatti> can someone help me with GRUB ?
[09:31] <jpatrick> rigonatti: depends what the problem is
[09:31] <chx> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support  is this what I am supposed to see? I doubt....
[09:32] <rigonatti> jpatrick: wel.. im trying to install kubuntu breezy ... kubuntu dapper ...and ubuntu dapper ...but
[09:32] <rigonatti> got the same error
[09:32] <rigonatti>  I have a SATA drive ....and a IDE Drive..
[09:32] <rigonatti>  trying to use SATA Drive with 2 partitions ...1 for linux...1 for windows...
[09:32] <rigonatti>  windows works fine ..
[09:33] <rigonatti>  then i install Linux ...but when reboot ...dont show me the dual boot..
[09:33] <ports> jpatrick is there a workaround for upgrading from breezy to dapper and losing kde?
[09:37] <kjimmy> ports: why would u lose kde by upgrading?
[09:38] <ports> kjimmy it removes kde.
[09:38] <kjimmy> mine didnt...
[09:38] <defrysk> ports, try installing kubuntu-desktop to resolve the debs
[09:38] <ports> when did you upgrade ?
[09:38] <dappity_doo_dawg> last week
[09:39] <defrysk> ports, and check if you have your repos correctly set up
[09:39] <xenblend> yea
[09:39] <xenblend> make sure uve got "dapper main restricted universe multiverse" and "dapper-updates etc"
[09:40] <defrysk> make sure to use ubuntu-repos only
[09:41] <Rainier> so anyone have any idea why kubuntu doesn't return to normal resolution after ending 3d games?
[09:42] <kbrooks> has anyone here tried easyubuntu (installation of java and flash)? what happened?
[09:43] <kbrooks> OK
[09:48] <sdolnack> I'i know kmplayer is a frontend for mplayer, but...
[09:49] <sdolnack> is mplayer liek command line or someting?  What will be diff if i install kmplayer from Adept vs. mplayer
[09:50] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Like you said, mplayer is commandline, while KMPlayer is the GUI for mplayer
[09:51] <sdolnack> ohh ok
[09:51] <ubuntu_> can somebody help me with grub
[09:51] <sdolnack> so shall i install them both?
[09:51] <sdolnack> ubuntu_: i might be able to
[09:51] <kbrooks> sdolnack: no...
[09:51] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Yes, KMplayer needs mplayer to work
[09:51] <kbrooks> sdolnack: install kmplayer
[09:51] <sdolnack> also what's the mplayer-686 package?  Is that mplayer optimized for 86?
[09:51] <ubuntu_> well basically i get Error 17 when booting after installing kubuntu
[09:51] <kbrooks> RogueJediX: there is no such thing as dep hell in kubuntu
[09:51] <ubuntu_> i got a mix of ide and sata drives
[09:52] <ubuntu_> and my device.map file is empty
[09:52] <RogueJediX> kbrooks: Eh?
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors <-- ubuntu_
[09:52] <kbrooks> RogueJediX: kmplayer might depend on mplayer
[09:52] <jpatrick> RogueJediX: kmplayer does not need mplayer
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> well, you should definitely get something into your device.map, ubuntu_
[09:52] <ubuntu_> how do i find the right partition?
[09:52] <RogueJediX> kbrooks: Oh, that. But it needs some sort of backend
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> there is a wiki page on it, I believe, ubuntu_
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> !grub
[09:53] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[09:53] <ubuntu_> a lot of the troubleshooting sites say to use a floppy
[09:53] <ubuntu_> except i dont have a floppy drive
[09:53] <sdolnack> so install KMplayer.  Got it.  So I can't really make any use of mplayer-686 transitional dummy pkg?
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_ you could also use a livecd
[09:53] <ubuntu_> that's what i am using now
[09:56] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_, check out the troubleshooting section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:57] <ubuntu_> when i do the find command it says file not sound
[09:57] <ubuntu_> found
[09:59] <ubuntu_> hmm
[09:59] <ubuntu_> ok. in that last link, how are the steps really different for overwriting and not overwriting windows
[09:59] <ubuntu_> one of them writes the boot loader in MBR
[10:00] <ubuntu_> and the other one doesnt. how does it boot in the second cause if it's not in MBR
[10:00] <s1> my trashcan is missing from the desktop, is there any way to recreate it?
[10:00] <ubuntu_> i'll reboot and see if this helps
[10:00] <s1> or is it supposed to be in the toolbar?
[10:02] <garyke> can anyone tell me how to install sun's java in Konsole?
[10:02] <gobbe> apt-get install?
[10:03] <gobbe> sun-java5-jdk if jdk, or sun-java5-jre if you want jre
[10:03] <frank__> garyke: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[10:04] <fatejudger> probably best to install jre instead of just the bin package
[10:04] <garyke> I get a "E: Couldn't find package sun-jave5-bin"
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: it's in universe
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: and you ought to install jre
[10:04] <PyroMithrandir> fore one thing it isn't "jave"
[10:04] <fatejudger> garyke: not the bin one
[10:04] <PyroMithrandir> for* ;)
[10:04] <garyke> i'll learn how to spell one day, sorry
[10:05] <garyke> feel stupid now
[10:06] <garyke> thanks gobbe, fatejudger and PyroMithrandir :)
[10:06] <Fillado> how do you get the correct java to come up when you do "java --version" ?
[10:06] <PyroMithrandir> no problem, garyke, we all feel stupid sometimes :)
[10:06] <sdolnack> how's the root shell work?
[10:06] <fatejudger> Fillado: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:07] <PyroMithrandir> sdolnack, root is disabled by default in ubuntu, but you can get one just as good by using sudo -i
[10:07] <Fillado> cheers fatejudger :D
[10:07] <sdolnack> so the Konsole root terminal--it's basically "broken"?
[10:08] <sdolnack> root shell, not terminal
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> oh, that
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> um, I don't know, does it not work for you?
[10:08] <PyroMithrandir> I actually have the root account enabled on my box, so it works fine for me
[10:09] <garyke> right, thanks you so much folks, i'm off :)
[10:09] <sdolnack> i hear that's really risky
[10:10] <sdolnack> well i'm sure you knwo what you're doing, but i'd most certainly break something ;-P
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> sdolnack, the main risk is that it makes it easier to crack into my box
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> the cracker could try the account name "root" because a lot of linux boxes have it
[10:11] <PyroMithrandir> other than that, well, I know what I'm doing, so it's not too risky :)
[10:12] <ubuntu_> hi
[10:12] <ubuntu_> grub is still not working
[10:13] <rigonatti> hi there !!
[10:13] <ubuntu_> anybody have the asus motherboards where you can change the order of the disks in bios?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> what does that actually do
[10:13] <rigonatti> Im in a Kubuntu Breezy Fresh Install ...with Adpt Updater complete ...how can I upgrade to Dapper ?
[10:13] <ubuntu_> i just changed them around and in my livecd they stayed the same
[10:13] <PyroMithrandir> ubuntu_, you might want to try this: http://adrian15.raulete.net/grub/tiki-index.php
[10:14] <PyroMithrandir> I'm about to try that link out myself, actually, because my grub is broken too ;)
[10:14] <PyroMithrandir> or at least the copy of grub on my MBR is
[10:14] <gobbe> rigonatti, change breezy words to dapper in sources.list, run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <rigonatti> got it !!
[10:15] <PyroMithrandir> I can still get at my kubuntu install by telling my bios to boot to my hdb where I have another copy of grub installed, and then edit the entry a bit to get it to boot up :)
[10:15] <rigonatti> btw..... can i Change to Gnome ? just to see how works ?
[10:15] <l_r> hello
[10:16] <PyroMithrandir> rigonatti, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <rigonatti> txs Pyro ...
[10:16] <PyroMithrandir> that'll give you an installation of gnome and a bunch of gnome programs
[10:16] <l_r> is there a package containing a flash player?
[10:16] <rigonatti> Txs gobbe
[10:16] <l_r> or do i have to install the flash player 7 manually?
[10:16] <thoreauputic> !flash
[10:16] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:16] <John-Z> Hrm.
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:17] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu3 (dapper), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[10:17] <rigonatti> I though i found a Bug ...does anyone use (or have know how) SATA + PATA drivers ?
[10:17] <John-Z> What do you all recommend I use for a theme manager.. the built in one? If so, where is the best place to get new themes using the theme manager?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> !themes
[10:17] <tehuti> does anyone use suspend-hibernate on their laptop?
[10:17] <gobbe> me
[10:17] <thoreauputic> http://kdelook.org
[10:17] <ports> yeah
[10:18] <tehuti> how do you activate it?
[10:18] <tehuti> in Breezy my Fn keys worked
[10:18] <tehuti> I get the buttons in the gnome logout dialog, they work, but no hotkeys
[10:18] <gobbe> tehuti, try to check /etc/acpi, there is hibernatebtn.sh
[10:19] <gobbe> tehuti, easy way to try fix that is to copy original to safeplaces and then copy hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh
[10:20] <tehuti> thanks gobbe I'll try that
[10:21] <gobbe> tehuti, i had few problems with my secondary laptop and that fixed it, on my thinkpad everything works
[10:21] <tehuti> have you noticed gnome freezing on the thinkpad?
[10:23] <gobbe> i don't use gnome
[10:23] <tehuti> gobbe, overwrite hibernatebtn.sh with hibernate.sh? or add the text from hibernatebtn.sh to hibernate.sh
[10:24] <gobbe> tehuti: overwrite hibernatebtn.sh with hibernate.sh or add text from hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh
[10:24] <gobbe> tehuti, ofcourse you can try does it help if you just run hibernate.sh
[10:24] <unix_infidel> For some reason i always have to remove and plugin my usbmouse everytime i start the x server for some reason.
[10:24] <simo_> hello peeps
[10:25] <unix_infidel> any ideas on why, i've checked and all usb related modules are loaded up before i issue startx
[10:27] <tehuti> gobbe, I copied hibernate.sh to hibernatebtn.sh and Fn + F4 doesn't suspend
[10:28] <tehuti> restarted acpi
[10:28] <gobbe> tehuti, try hibernate
[10:28] <gobbe> ofcourse if you do changes to hibernatebtn suspend button doesn't get fixed ;)
[10:28] <bobesponja> can I resize my ntfs partition with kubuntu installer? if yes can I do it with the live installer or  do I need to download the alternate iso?
[10:29] <apokryphos> bobesponja: you can do it with the live installer
[10:31] <tehuti> gobbe, hibernate worked
[10:31] <gobbe> i don't use about suspend because i don't use it :)
[10:32] <tehuti> ah
[10:33] <s1> is anyone connecting successfully with an iPod from amarok?
[10:33] <unix_infidel> anyone here having problems with the new fluxbox upgrade from breezy to dapper and startup problems??
[10:33] <unix_infidel> i got my ncurses problem fixed btw :P
[10:34] <tehuti> gobbe thank you sir I'm halfway there now
[10:35] <apokryphos> s1: yes, but only on the latest version
[10:35] <tehuti> anyone get Fn + F4 to suspend?
[10:36] <Snake> Anyone that can help  on any tech related topic! http://alpha.qunu.com/ sign up!
[10:36] <s1> apokryphos: aha, I'm running 1.3.9 or something
[10:37] <apokryphos> !latestamarok
[10:37] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[10:37] <s1> apokryphos: aha, I'm running 1.3.9 or something
[10:37] <apokryphos> !findvalues amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> apokryphos: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:37] <apokryphos> !listvalues amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'amarok' by value (4 shown): players ;; amarok ;; amarok 1.3.7 ;; latest amarok #DEL#.
[10:37] <apokryphos> bah :)
[10:37] <apokryphos> ubotu: latest amarok
[10:37] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, apokryphos
[10:37] <apokryphos> oh, deleted. Hm.
[10:37] <tehuti> gobbe, I'm going to try the same thing with sleep.sh and sleepbtn.sh
[10:38] <apokryphos> s1: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[10:39] <apokryphos> ubotu: latest amarok is <reply> the latest version of Amarok is 1.4; To install see: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[10:39] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[10:40] <gobbe> tehuti, ok. i'll hope that it will help
[10:40] <s1> apokryphos: alright, I added the amaroks site's debsource
[10:40] <apokryphos> s1: so upgrade
[10:41] <rigonatti> can anyone help me to upgrade my breezy to dapper =.?
[10:41] <s1> did, installed and all
[10:41] <s1> but the 1.3.9 still starts
[10:41] <steveire> what is that apt command to get rid of downloaded/installed deb files?
[10:41] <steveire> apt-cache clean or something
[10:42] <apokryphos> steveire: sudo apt-get clean
[10:42] <apokryphos> s1: did you apt-get update first?
[10:42] <s1> apokryphos: the upgrades were held back
[10:42] <s1> yes
[10:42] <apokryphos> s1: and follow the other instructions on that page?
[10:43] <rigonatti> can anyone help me to upgrade my breezy to dapper =.?
[10:43] <apokryphos> rigonatti: /msg ubotu faq
[10:44] <s1> running
[10:44] <steveire> thanks. How else can I trim the fat from my system, so to speak
[10:44] <visik7> rigonatti: replace breezy with dapper in the sources.list apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:44] <rigonatti> visik7 you mean in Adept Gui Interface ?
[10:44] <visik7> rigonatti: never used adept
[10:44] <visik7> btw should be ok
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: no, there's more to it than that
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: you can break systems by simply recommending that; please don't do it.
[10:45] <visik7> apokryphos: doesn't work ?
[10:45] <rigonatti> what dosent work ??
[10:45] <apokryphos> visik7: see the FAQ
[10:45] <rigonatti> Adept ?
[10:45] <rigonatti> apokryphos.... I solved that SATA problem... =(
[10:46] <apokryphos> cool
[10:46] <rigonatti> but ....Should be a Bug when using SATA + PATA drivers
[10:46] <rigonatti> ok...look ...i got to ADept,... Manager respositories ...and changed breezy to Dapper in all options
[10:46] <rigonatti> is that right ?
[10:47] <apokryphos> rigonatti: no, it's not enough, and you can bork your system by simply doing that. Please read the FAQ on how to upgrade.
[10:48] <sdolnack> 'm trying to configure kconsole to be transparent
[10:48] <sdolnack> and i go to settings and save but it's not changing anything
[10:48] <sdolnack> do i have to reboot?
[10:48] <apokryphos> sdolnack: you want the background to be transparent?
[10:48] <sdolnack> yes
[10:49] <sdolnack> dark transparent
[10:49] <sdolnack> translucent really, not invisible
[10:49] <apokryphos> sdolnack: setting -> schema -> transparent?
[10:49] <sdolnack> yeah i did
[10:49] <sdolnack> and i click Apply and OK
[10:49] <sdolnack> and it doesn't seem to do anythign
[10:49] <apokryphos> there shouldn't be an Apply/Ok
[10:49] <apokryphos> it's a menu option
[10:50] <sdolnack> there is though--why woudln't there be an apply/ok?
[10:50] <sdolnack> it brings up a configure box
[10:50] <thelostbyte_> help.. i just added skim panel applet and i dont see my kicker now ?
[10:50] <apokryphos> sdolnack: go to the exact place I mentioned.
[10:50] <sdolnack> oh nevermind
[10:50] <sdolnack> yes
[10:50] <sdolnack> i goot it
[10:50] <Gistybit> hm what are the kubuntu repository urls?.. i can't seem to find it anywhere
[10:50] <sdolnack> but it's silly--it's not really transparent, it just shows the background
[10:50] <sdolnack> whuddup wit dat?
[10:51] <nik> hello
[10:51] <apokryphos> Gistybit: the main ones? They're the same as ubuntu
[10:51] <apokryphos> sdolnack: fake transparency, yes.
[10:51] <apokryphos> KDE apps aren't made to use real transparency or Xgl etc stuff yet
[10:51] <Gistybit> apokryphos: oh ok.. i just read that amarok 1.4 was in the kubuntu repository.. but only 1.3.9 i slisted.. multiverse added tho
[10:51] <rigonatti> apokryphos..... the ubuntu faq dont use Kubuntu as example ...
[10:51] <rigonatti> use ubuntu with synaptics
[10:51] <nik> I removed some packages I didn't need...evms for example - but there is still a evms script in /etc/init.d ... how come?
[10:52] <crimsun_> Gistybit: 1.4.0a is on kubuntu.org
[10:52] <apokryphos> Gistybit: for extra things like amarok 1.4 they will be in other repositories
[10:52] <apokryphos> Gistybit: /msg ubotu latest amarok
[10:52] <apokryphos> rigonatti: go to the DapperUpgrades page it links to
[10:52] <apokryphos> it tells you what Kubuntu users should do
[10:52] <Gistybit> apokryphos: crimsun_: thx
[10:52] <apokryphos> nik: you didn't purge it. To remove all config files as well you have to purge
[10:53] <Rainier> hello
[10:53] <nik> apokryphos: I used: sudo aptitude --purge remove <foo>
[10:53] <sdolnack> so in other words xgl is going to be real handy once it's actually usable on a normal system
[10:53] <EvilIdler> Is an init.d script considered a config file by dpkg?
[10:53] <apokryphos> nik: sudo aptitude purge <package>
[10:53] <apokryphos> nik: or sudo apt-get remove --purge <package>
[10:54] <nik> ops ;)
[10:54] <nik> thx
[10:54] <apokryphos> sdolnack: indeed
[10:54] <apokryphos> sdolnack: and, also, when kde takes full advantage of the possibilities it offers
[10:55] <sdolnack> yeah.  It didn't seem to work well when i tried it
[10:55] <apokryphos> depends almost entirely on your card, atm
[10:55] <sdolnack> i've got an ati radeon x300 (128mb), a gig of ram, and a 1.6ghz pentium M.  Will that run it?
[10:55] <sdolnack> did i misconfig it?
[10:55] <sdolnack> it's just that when i opened an xgl session everything was so SLOW! like scrolling text in kde moved at like 3 fps
[10:56] <sdolnack> 'twas ridiculous
[10:56] <apokryphos> ideally NVidias work best with it, but a lot of people use it with ATIs and it works ok with many Intel cards too
[10:56] <apokryphos> sdolnack: yes, I hear the ATI driver isn't very well supported for it
[10:56] <sdolnack> ahh
[10:56] <apokryphos> NVidia, Intel, then ATI
[10:56] <sdolnack> drat
[10:56] <sdolnack> i could use some help w/ amarok snake
[10:57] <sdolnack> do you know how I could make the progress bar wider?  it's too tiny
[10:57] <sdolnack> or to move it to the top
[10:57] <Rainier> could anyone help me please?
[10:57] <s1> how do you ignore joins, quitsa nd parts in konversation?
[10:57] <sdolnack> would i need to delve into the source code to modify that?
[10:57] <Rainier> i get this strange message when i install/remove packages
[10:57] <apokryphos> sdolnack: not without coding :P
[10:57] <sdolnack> sheeit
[10:57] <Rainier> after installing xfce
[10:57] <Snake> sdolnack: all I could think is to recompie with a diffrent coding..
[10:57] <GazzaK> does anyone have xgl working in kubuntu?
[10:57] <apokryphos> Rainier: what is it?
[10:57] <sdolnack> that sux0rs
[10:57] <Snake> sdolnack: theres no in program settings
[10:57] <Snake> yea
[10:57] <apokryphos> GazzaK: yes
[10:57] <sdolnack> haha GazzaK i've been asking that for liek a week
[10:58] <sdolnack> and wow this is the first iv'e gotten a "yes", let alone 2
[10:58] <Rainier> apokryphos: i installed xfce and now everytime i install/remove packages i get this message several times
[10:58] <Rainier> apokryphos: ** (process:14922): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[10:58] <GazzaK> I tried today, and succeeded...... in breaking my install :p
[10:58] <sdolnack> it didn't work for me.  I backtracked and just removed everythign i'd installed in adept
[10:58] <apokryphos> Rainier: curious. Is that all it says?
[10:58] <jonathan_> Hey, anybody here tried Vista yet?
[10:58] <Snake> s1: settings, configure, Chat Window, hide join/part/nick events
[10:59] <Snake> jonathan_: I did
[10:59] <apokryphos> jonathan_: it proved to be impossible to install on about 3 of my systems
[10:59] <jonathan_> What did you think?
[10:59] <Snake> To unstable atm
[10:59] <GazzaK> jonathan_, I got the iso, but then broke my machine, and forgot to copy it to my NAS box :p
[10:59] <tehuti> ok my Fn + F4 hotkey will wake my sleeping ThinkPad but won't put it to sleep
[10:59] <jonathan_> I got it on this one, I dont like it
[10:59] <Rainier> apokryphos: nop it does install and remove, with all the messages that implies, but that appears many times in between only with different process numbers each time
[11:00] <jonathan_> It is a HUGE resorce hog
[11:00] <crimsun_> tehuti: does ``sudo pmi action suspend''? work?
[11:00] <sdolnack> why would you DUMP Kubuntu for vista?  :-P
[11:00] <apokryphos> Rainier: try asking in #ubuntu
[11:00] <GazzaK> but if you have those resources, is it nice?
[11:00] <Rainier> ok thanx
[11:00] <sdolnack> what practical purpose does vista serve at this point though
[11:00] <Snake> jonathan_: mine was way to unstable, explorer kept crashing on me and my 2.8 ghz was idling at 60%
[11:00] <jonathan_> I wouldn't
[11:00] <sdolnack> i mean compatability must be awful at this point
[11:00] <apokryphos> sdolnack: you have to try it out to hate it properly :P
[11:00] <sdolnack> lol
[11:00] <Snake> sdolnack: its not that bad, but it is definatly hatealbe
[11:00] <Snake> able*
[11:00] <sdolnack> who said i hated it properly?
[11:01] <Snake> Their 3d mode doesnt even anti-alaise
[11:01] <Snake> its sad
[11:01] <Snake> and I cant spell ;)
[11:01] <apokryphos> sdolnack: just talking about my own purpose for trying it ;-)
[11:01] <sdolnack> MS is sad
[11:01] <sdolnack> hahahah
[11:01] <sdolnack> check it off your "things to hate" list :-P
[11:02] <tehuti> crimsun_, yeah that worked
[11:02] <jonathan_> I have a amd athlon 2800 and 512mb of ram and a nvidia mx4000, so it's decent. And Vista was so slooowww on it
[11:02] <Snake> My purpose was to get a jump on n00bs so that id be able to trouble shoot them, but I think its like XP enough for me to pull it off without it :)
[11:02] <Snake> jonathan_: atleast a gig man.
[11:02] <Snake> of RAM
[11:02] <sdolnack> but serously though
[11:02] <sdolnack> 've only had kubuntu for  week and already i haaaaate booting in windows
[11:02] <sdolnack> coz it's so damn slow compared to Kubuntu
[11:02] <sdolnack> aqnd i'm not even running initng
[11:02] <jonathan_> Vista had to increase my vertual memory
[11:02] <Snake> rofl
[11:03] <sdolnack> i would but i can't seem to enabmle my wireless card with it...
[11:03] <Snake> XGL + Ubuntu = Love
[11:03] <tehuti> how can I link "pmi action suspend" to Fn + F4?
[11:03] <sdolnack> XGL + sdolnack = o.O
[11:03] <jonathan_> what is xgl?
[11:03] <sdolnack> pretty grafx
[11:03] <sdolnack> and a rotating 3d-cube desktop!!
[11:03] <Snake> !xgl
[11:03] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems.  Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:03] <sdolnack> so each desktop is one face and it like spins
[11:03] <apokryphos> jonathan_: new xserver architecture layered on top of opengl
[11:04] <sdolnack> ok yeah that tinyurl thing def wasn't there when i tried a week ago
[11:04] <sdolnack> haha
[11:04] <jonathan_> I'll check that out
[11:04] <Snake> lol
[11:04] <Snake> sdolnack: believe it or not we update ubotu
[11:04] <Snake> :P
[11:04] <Snake> This isnt debian
[11:05] <jonathan_> Anyway, I think M$ really svrewed up with Vista
[11:05] <jonathan_> screwed
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears that you might need a 9800 or better ATI right now.
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears there may be problems with Mobility users (laptops)
[11:05] <Snake> jonathan_: give them time to clean it up, no way would they release it in its current stae
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears that you might need a 9800 or better ATI right now.
[11:05] <sdolnack> # It appears there may be problems with Mobility users (laptops)
[11:05] <sdolnack> ack i ddi that twice
[11:05] <sdolnack> but yeah, last time i checked it said it worked well w/ (my) x300
[11:05] <sdolnack> gahh
[11:05] <Snake> Dappper Flight 5 was more stable than their beta 2
[11:05] <Snake> thats really bad
[11:06] <sdolnack> LOL
[11:06] <sdolnack> are there any drawbax to using dapper over breezy?
[11:06] <Snake> not that ive found
[11:06] <sdolnack> or hoary
[11:06] <sdolnack> or whatever was the latest before dapper
[11:06] <Snake> Dapper is faster, easier, and sleeker
[11:06] <EvilIdler> Newer, too
[11:06] <Snake> With more hardware support too
[11:07] <sdolnack> and it's one three three sevener
[11:07] <kwwii> and prettier
[11:07] <Snake> kwwii: no need to say that, its in the name ;)
[11:07] <Snake> (Dapper)
[11:07] <sdolnack> it's more dap than hoary was :-P
[11:07] <sdolnack> it's dappER
[11:07] <Snake> its a well dressed duck :P (or dragon)
[11:08] <Snake> i prefer dragon
[11:08] <EvilIdler> The only drawback is that there is no Z or X in the name. Marketing likes that sort of thing..
[11:08] <Snake> Xubuntu?
[11:08] <EvilIdler> Ducks are easier to catch.
[11:08] <GazzaK> Snake, wow, thanks, just reading that howto
[11:08] <kwwii> night all
[11:08] <Snake> GazzaK: dont thank me, thank ubotu (!botsnack)
[11:09] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> :)
[11:09] <GazzaK> i'll bookmark that and try that soon
[11:09] <sdolnack> awww!! that was so cute
[11:09] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:09] <Snake> lol
[11:09] <sdolnack> oh now he's all cranky
[11:09] <Snake> !botsnack
[11:09] <GazzaK> whats the botsnack?
[11:09] <Snake> GazzaK: just thanking the bot
[11:09] <GazzaK> !botsnack
[11:09] <ubotu> thanks gazzak :)
[11:09] <Snake> :)
[11:10] <sdolnack> it makes the soulless piece of code println a colon and a right parens
[11:10] <GazzaK> does it log it?
[11:10] <Snake> It logs everything
[11:10] <GazzaK> hehe
[11:10] <sdolnack> but does it increment how many botsnax it has or something
[11:10] <Bassetts> can anyone here help
[11:10] <Snake> Bassetts: with?
[11:10] <Bassetts> i need to make a html file in terminal
[11:10] <Snake> Bassetts: use vi
[11:10] <Bassetts> and i need it to put in some html for me, without opening nano or vi or anything
[11:10] <sdolnack> why not use kwrite and save as  html
[11:11] <sdolnack> oh
[11:11] <Snake> hmm
[11:11] <Bassetts> like $ make filename.html html to go into file
[11:11] <Snake> No idea :(
[11:11] <Bassetts> ok =(
[11:11] <Snake> Bassetts: try this
[11:11] <Bassetts> thanks anyway, atleast you replied =) =P
[11:11] <Bassetts> ok
[11:11] <Snake> Bassetts: "echo html you want >> filename.html"
[11:12] <Bassetts> nice one
[11:12] <Snake> I dunno if that will suit your needs, but its something
[11:12] <sdolnack> wha'ts the point of vim? it doesn't even highlight code! :-P
[11:12] <Bassetts> it works perfect
[11:12] <sdolnack> lightweight shmightweight
[11:13] <GazzaK> anyways, thanks and good night
[11:13] <Bassetts> cheers Snake
[11:13] <Snake> Yep
[11:13] <Snake> night GazzaK
[11:13] <Snake> sdolnack: then you dont have it configured right :P you can get diffrent profiles and stuff, its quite amazing what vim can do
[11:13] <Snake> just requires a lot of tweaking
[11:13] <sdolnack> what are the ups? as opposed to like kate or kwrite
[11:13] <sdolnack> or gedit
[11:13] <sdolnack> or what have you
[11:14] <John-Z> What's the best terminal application for Kubuntu?
[11:14] <Snake> Just preferabilty
[11:14] <John-Z> or for linux for that matter?
[11:14] <Snake> I personally like kate
[11:14] <Snake> John-Z: imo?? top
[11:14] <John-Z> Top?
[11:14] <John-Z> As in the unix command top.
[11:14] <Snake> type top in a terminal
[11:14] <sdolnack> what dont' you like about konsole?
[11:14] <John-Z> No no no.
[11:15] <Snake> nonono?
[11:15] <John-Z> Im not aksing your favorite unix command.
[11:15] <John-Z> Actual terminal, like konsole
[11:15] <Snake> OHHH
[11:15] <Snake> ROFL
[11:15] <John-Z> yeah..
[11:15] <John-Z> I was like "top?" wtf?
[11:15] <Snake> I like gnomes terminal, not sure what its called
[11:15] <John-Z> I'd like to customize konsole so that it is bordless and transparent..
[11:16] <John-Z> havent found a way to do that yet.
[11:16] <EvilIdler> I prefer Xterm. No frills, no surprises :)
[11:16] <Snake> Gnome terminal supports links, tabs, and everything else konsole does + more
[11:16] <sdolnack> you can't do transparency can you yet?
[11:16] <sdolnack> we were just discussing this 15 min ago :-P
[11:16] <Snake> Not true trans
[11:16] <John-Z> nope.
[11:16] <Snake> Not without XGL
[11:16] <John-Z> Its weird.
[11:16] <sdolnack> i want real transparency, not the background
[11:17] <sdolnack> i wanna see the windows below it
[11:17] <Snake> yea, you need XGL for real
[11:17] <John-Z> indeed..
[11:17] <visik7> oh composit should be enought
[11:17] <Snake> alt + shift + mouse scroll in XGL = pwnage
[11:17] <visik7> to get transparency in konsole
[11:17] <sdolnack> OMG snake stop you're killing me!!
[11:17] <sdolnack> composit?
[11:17] <Snake> sdolnack: ?
[11:18] <Snake> to much math?
[11:18] <sdolnack> i'm jealous!!
[11:18] <Snake> :P
[11:18] <visik7> maybe component
[11:18] <visik7> can't remember the name
[11:18] <RawSewage> my Konsole is fullscreen, borderless, and transparent
[11:18] <RawSewage> you dont need anything extra
[11:19] <nico8481> anyone uses skim?
[11:19] <RawSewage> why do you think Konsole cant be transparent?
[11:19] <ColonelPanic001> Does kubuntu have an app to edit partitons, such as the one used on install?
[11:20] <visik7> I don't use konsole anymore since I've discover yakuake
[11:20] <ColonelPanic001> <3 aterm
[11:20] <Snake> yakuake ROCKS
[11:20] <Snake> I love yakuake
[11:20] <RawSewage> Yakuake doesnt have the shortcuts I need
[11:21] <RawSewage> Like allowing me to configure ctrl+v for paste, etc
[11:21] <Snake> RawSewage... intresting name
[11:21] <RawSewage> with Konsole, I just press F12, and there it is, full screen , borderless, transparent
[11:21] <sheldonc> this is offtopic, but im looking for an external HD enclosure that doubles as a NAS... any suggestions?
[11:21] <Snake> hehe
[11:21] <RawSewage> Yakuake would load faster, obviously
[11:22] <RawSewage> since its already running
[11:22] <haider> ColonelPanic001: apt-get install qtparted
[11:22] <ColonelPanic001> haider: thank you :)
[11:23] <Snake> God I wish they had winamp for linux
[11:23] <sdolnack> what is yakuake?
[11:23] <Snake> sdolnack: ever played quake?
[11:23] <ColonelPanic001> Snake: xmms or amarak isn't meeting what you need?
[11:23] <luksan> Snake: it's called XMMS
[11:23] <Snake> XMMS is NOTHING like winamp any more
[11:23] <luksan> it's exactly like Winamp
[11:23] <EvilIdler> Why would anyone want Winamp? It's a resource hog!
[11:23] <sheldonc> Snake: what winamp feature are you looking for
[11:23] <Snake> XMMS plays music, amarok is great, but I ke the winamp layout
[11:23] <funkja> is there an easy way to upgrade my version of GTK?
[11:23] <haider> luksan: no Winamp is better that XMMS buuut amarok is better than Winamp
[11:24] <luksan> amaroK ;-)
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> Personally, I recently discovered amarak, and I think it's friggin great
[11:24] <Snake> sdolnack: just the layout :) but amarok takes care of the rest
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> so far, at least
[11:24] <ColonelPanic001> :)
[11:24] <Snake> Amarok rocks too
[11:24] <haider> sorry :)
[11:24] <luksan> that's pretty much what everyone says
[11:24] <Rainier> only thing i miss in xmms is to play videos
[11:24] <sdolnack> Snake: never did do pc gaming much; never did quake
[11:24] <luksan> but there could be some improvements made to amaroK, esp. when it comes to the podcast area
[11:24] <EvilIdler> Amarok keeps crashing on me while updating a network share
[11:24] <sheldonc> Snake: the winamp interface is garbage :) but i like the plugins available for it
[11:24] <sdolnack> Snake: although i'm downloa--I mean, uh, purchasing System Shock 2 as we speak
[11:24] <sdolnack> or type.  whatever
[11:25] <Snake> sdolnack: ah, well yakuake is a drop down terminal that scrolls in for the top the screen when called
[11:25] <Snake> its nice
[11:25] <Snake> from the top**
[11:25] <Snake> sdolnack: SS2 is a GREAT game
[11:25] <ColonelPanic001> damnit, qtparted is crashing when reading this NTFS-formatted drive
[11:25] <Snake> ColonelPanic001: try gparted?
[11:26] <sdolnack> Snake--i hear! I'm very very excited
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> I jsut want to delete the NTFS partition and reformat it all with ext3 or whatnot
[11:26] <Snake> Gparted seems more stable to me
[11:26] <sdolnack> VERY exccited
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> I'll try it, Snake, thanks
[11:26] <sdolnack> it's supposed to be like an action/fps/rpg
[11:26] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: you mean reiserfs
[11:26] <sdolnack> AND it runs near-flawlessly in wine from what i've read
[11:26] <sdolnack> i just wish American McGee's alice would too
[11:26] <Snake> WOW wie runs it!?
[11:26] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: just for you, sure. I'll format it with reiser. :P
[11:26] <sdolnack> ss2? it's supposed to
[11:26] <Snake> It wont even run in XP
[11:26] <Snake> lol
[11:26] <Snake> or ME iirc
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> gparted seems to be okay. thanks!
[11:27] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: just don't use Reiser4
[11:27] <sdolnack> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2270
[11:27] <EvilIdler> Snake: I've had SS2 running in XP
[11:27] <Snake> Then again dune 2000 doesnt run on windows XP either, wine loves it
[11:27] <sdolnack> damn--looks like someone just tried it today and it's broken
[11:27] <Snake> EvilIdler: but i herd its a biatch
[11:27] <sdolnack> you knoiw what pwns all? Grim freakin Fandango
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: ha, I was just about to ask. Why, out of curiosity? I've run resier, but not reiser4 before
[11:27] <ColonelPanic001> and I don't do anything fancy with it anyway, I just use it
[11:27] <EvilIdler> Snake: Never had any problems, but I always keep a nocd handy before I even buy a game :)
[11:28] <Snake> EvilIdler: odd... everyone else in the world needed a XP compt exe
[11:28] <Snake> :P
[11:28] <Snake> brb
[11:28] <ColonelPanic001> luksan: actually, would you mind if I PMed you? Just to keep the channel a bit less crowded.
[11:29] <EvilIdler> Snake: I haven't been using this new-fangled patching nonsense ;)
[11:29] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: i heard reiser4 was unstable
[11:29] <Pupeno> Hello.
[11:29] <luksan> ColonelPanic001: but other than that i don't know anything about it
[11:29] <Pupeno> I can't get php to work. Whenever I try to access a php files it just downloads it. Apache doesn't interpret it.
[11:29] <sdolnack> Pupeno: hello
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> ah. Good enough
[11:29] <Pupeno> I've installed libapache2-mod-php5, enabled the module, checked the mime types. Apache shows PHP 5 in the signature.
[11:29] <Pupeno> any ideas ?
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> Pupeno: I would have suggested checking the mime types... :\
[11:29] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[11:30] <Pupeno> ColonelPanic001: done.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> this is in ubuntu, right? Stupid question probably, but just checking...
[11:30] <bobesponja> Pupeno: did you try with firefox?
[11:30] <Pupeno> ColonelPanic001: yes, Ubuntu.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> I had this problem with gentoo before, but I'm afraid I can't remember the solution I found to work.
[11:30] <sdolnack> do most ppl have a gui for vim, or do they run it in the terminal?
[11:30] <Pupeno> bobesponja: I've tried Epiphany, shouldn't be too diferent.
[11:30] <ColonelPanic001> sdolnack: depsnds on what I'm doing. For most stuff, I use gvim. For quick config file editing and whatnot, just plain vim
[11:30] <bobesponja> Pupeno: did you restarted apache?
[11:30] <Pupeno> outch... firefox works.
[11:31] <Pupeno> bobesponja: several times.
[11:31] <sdolnack> ahh
[11:31] <sdolnack> what you like about gvim over kate or kwrite?
[11:31] <bobesponja> Pupeno: then you need to check konqueror file type assoc
[11:31] <sdolnack> wow--that was really friggin fast, opening a file in vim
[11:32] <sdolnack> imma use this from now on instead of kwrite
[11:32] <ColonelPanic001> vim is spiffy :D
[11:32] <Pupeno> bobesponja: I wasn't using konqueror, I was using epiphany.
[11:32] <Pupeno> thanks anyway.
[11:33] <sdolnack> no it's not.  VIM is about as unspiffy as you can get
[11:33] <sdolnack> but it's fast
[11:33] <Snake> lol
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> I like vim.
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> We must fight to the death.
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> :P
[11:33] <Snake> sdolnack: as I said, vim is good if you know how to use it/how to configure it
[11:33] <GullyFoyle> anyone know how i can get dapper to recognize my soundcard?  it stopped working when i "upgraded" to dapper
[11:33] <bobesponja> Pupeno: ok then the problem was with epiphany obviously :)
[11:33] <sdolnack> now someone needs to make a vi mod called vigor
[11:33] <sdolnack> and we're set
[11:33] <ColonelPanic001> sdolnack: I don't think any browser should ever be able to get php source, though. I'd still expect a server-side problem somehow
[11:34] <sdolnack> ColonelPanic001: what do you mean?
[11:34] <Snake> Woah woah woah.... what browser can boost PHP source?
[11:34] <EvilIdler> Yeah, if you're fed PHP source, it's a server config problem
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[11:34] <sdolnack> i'm konfused
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> The server should be execting it before the browser ever sees it
[11:34] <Snake> If your GIVIN PHP source, the server isnt running PHP
[11:34] <ColonelPanic001> Apache shouldn't ever send it.
[11:35] <ColonelPanic001> either PHP isn't running, or there's some config problem
[11:35] <Snake> yea
[11:35] <bobesponja> did you actually try to download the PHP and check if it showed the sourced? maybe it only show the generated HTML or a blank file
[11:36] <Snake> Brb I gotta read this article
[11:36] <l_r> i do not remember where i can access the multimedia configuration dialog box (to choose the backend between xine, totem, etc...). any idea?
[11:36] <sdolnack> so now that i've gotten from pushing the power button to using apps to like 60 seconds w/ kubuntu..... how do i do that w/ xp too? :-P
[11:36] <sdolnack> dont' you all LOVE how XP's desktop comes up and you can move the mouse, but you still can't open or run programs for like 30 seconds?
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: KDE 3.5.3 is like that, it makes me sad :(
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: you can see your desktop, but its still "loading"
[11:37] <EvilIdler> sdolnack: Signs of a system in active use ;)
[11:37] <Snake> but 5.3 is fast as a hell
[11:37] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Popup speech bubbles. You forgot those. My personal favourite peeve
[11:37] <luksan> 5.3
[11:37] <Snake> as a hell... that sounds like a bad translaton
[11:37] <Snake> :P
[11:37] <sdolnack> kde 3.5.3 is like that and 3.5.2 is not?
[11:37] <luksan> i haven't had a chance to get that one yet ;-)
[11:37] <Snake> sdolnack: correct
[11:38] <sdolnack> wtf would they do that for
[11:38] <sdolnack> that's one of the things i looooove about linux!!
[11:38] <sdolnack> let's all complain so they'll remove this
[11:38] <Snake> same
[11:38] <Snake> I think theres a setting somewhere, i hear, but I cant find it
[11:38] <l_r> where can i choose the backend multimedia playback from within the kde dialog boxes?
[11:38] <sdolnack> how fast is 5.3? i mean i just installed linux a week ago
[11:38] <Snake> Very fast
[11:38] <sdolnack> i doubt i've installed that much software that it'd run noticeably faster
[11:38] <Snake> Very very fast.
[11:39] <Snake> sdolnack: heres my comp
[11:39] <Snake> Sysinfo for 'dapper': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: PentiumIII(Coppermine) at 647 MHz (1295 bogomips), , RAM: 497/503MB, 110 proc's, 3.5d up
[11:39] <Snake> and I noticed a HUGE speed boost
[11:39] <raven301> !repositories
[11:39] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.
[11:39] <sdolnack> can vmware be used to run win on linux?
[11:39] <raven301> !easysource
[11:39] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:39] <Snake> yes
[11:39] <sdolnack> Snake: is there a sysinfo command?
[11:39] <Snake> ubotu: tell raven301 about message the bot
[11:40] <sdolnack> !botsnack
[11:40] <ubotu> :)
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: whatcha mean?
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: to display what I just did?
[11:40] <sdolnack> can i type something in terminal that'll spit that info out in a neat little package?
[11:40] <sdolnack> yeah
[11:40] <sdolnack> to display what you just did
[11:40] <sdolnack> how's vmware work running windows on linux?  compared to wine?
[11:40] <Snake> sdolnack: thats a script in konversation, but you can get the same results using things like "top" and "uname -a"
[11:41] <sdolnack> Sysinfo for 'Yggdrasil': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 798 MHz (1597 bogomips), , RAM: 762/1010MB, 124 proc's, 1.1d up
[11:41] <sdolnack> oh wow!!
[11:41] <ColonelPanic001> hehe
[11:41] <Snake> :)
[11:41] <ColonelPanic001> I just discovered that today, too
[11:41] <TMS\> hi, utf8 is all nice and all that, but how do I go about changing to 8859-15?
[11:41] <sdolnack> 3.5.2... i'm in the stoneage
[11:41] <sdolnack> haha
[11:41] <Snake> Uptime: 3 days, 5 hours and 53 minutes
[11:41] <Snake> rofl
[11:41] <l_r> where can i find the dialog box to choose the multimedia backend? i remember i saw one somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore in the various kde menus
[11:41] <sdolnack> how does my system look everyone??!!
[11:41] <sdolnack> how ridiculous is it that i have a gig of ram and a 1.6ghz processor
[11:41] <sdolnack> can you say "wasted potential"?
[11:41] <Snake> sdolnack: about a year old
[11:41] <Snake> :-P
[11:42] <sdolnack> a year to the month, i believe
[11:42] <Snake> damn im good
[11:42] <sdolnack> well I'M running the 686 kernel so HA!
[11:42] <John-Z> does yakuake do true transparency?
[11:42] <sdolnack> nothing does
[11:42] <sdolnack> without xgl
[11:42] <sdolnack> apparentl
[11:42] <sdolnack> y
[11:42] <raven301> Snake: Did I do something wrong?
[11:43] <John-Z> what is xgl?
[11:43] <samuli> TMS\: do you mean in irc or in general?
[11:43] <Snake> ubotu: tell John-Z about XGL
[11:43] <Snake> John-Z: check ur msgs
[11:43] <sdolnack> cna anyone do ubotu commands?
[11:43] <sdolnack> or just you
[11:43] <samuli> everyone
[11:43] <RogueJediX> ubotu: tell me about xgl
[11:43] <Snake> Anyone
[11:44] <Ademan> anyone here use svn with kdevelop?
[11:44] <Snake> sdolnack: im just a regular user like you :) :P
[11:44] <TMS\> samuli: in general
[11:44] <sdolnack> w00t
[11:44] <sdolnack> ubotu: tell RogueJediX about XGL
[11:44] <Snake> ....
[11:44] <Snake> sdolnack: dont abuse it
[11:44] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: Thanks, but I got it already
[11:44] <sdolnack> i know haha
[11:45] <sdolnack> 'twill be abused not
[11:45] <sdolnack> god i love this linux thing
[11:45] <Snake> oo time to help someone on qunu with ubuntu
[11:45] <Snake> brb
[11:45] <sdolnack> so would you recommend, uh, "upgrading" to 5.3?
[11:45] <Snake> sdolnack: are you on dapper?
[11:45] <Stage> The success of a operating system like Linux depends much on the community.
[11:46] <Stage> I've made bad experience with Linux-Community today... :-(
[11:46] <Ademan> sdolnack: what does he want? he should wait for AIGLX imho
[11:46] <Stage> Maybe because I've asked the german Linux-Users?
[11:46] <Ademan> Stage: what happened?
[11:46] <crimsun_> Stage: the community is comprised of "people", so of course you may have great and awful experiences.
[11:46] <Stage> Some people just told me a big piece of shit.
[11:47] <sdolnack> Snake: i am on dapper
[11:47] <sdolnack> Ademan: waht does who want?
[11:47] <Snake> sdolnack: then read this
[11:47] <Ademan> sdolnack: RogueJediX
[11:47] <Snake> ubotu: tell sdolnack about kde3.5.3
[11:47] <RogueJediX> Yeah, Ademan?
[11:47] <Ademan> Stage: are you having a problem?
[11:47] <ColonelPanic001> btw, thanks for all the help guys. I'm pretty impressed by the ease of use in Kubuntu.
[11:47] <sdolnack> kde3.5.3 is, like, totally, to upgrade to KDE3.5.3
[11:47] <John-Z> snake, thanks. Im installing xgl now.
[11:47] <sdolnack> that makes no sense
[11:47] <Ademan> RogueJediX: I was wondering what your question about XGL was
[11:47] <sdolnack> John-Z: what vid card you have?
[11:48] <John-Z> Does anyone have a ATI driver config I can use for my XGL setup.
[11:48] <Stage> I had a problem but at the moment everything seems to be working.
[11:48] <John-Z> ati
[11:48] <sdolnack> Ademan: he wondered what it was
[11:48] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Nothing, just taking a look, is all
[11:48] <TMS\> samuli?
[11:48] <sdolnack> John-Z:  i think you have to use fglrx
[11:48] <John-Z> Yep.
[11:48] <samuli> TMS\: sorry, dude I don't know how to.
[11:48] <raven301> What do you do with this error http://pastebin.com/703399 when you run apt-get update ??
[11:48] <John-Z> I installed it.
[11:48] <Stage> Instead of using my Laptop for routing into Wireless LAN, I've plugged a cable between router and desktop.
[11:48] <Ademan> RogueJediX: oh, i'd reccomend against just just fyi
[11:48] <John-Z> But I need to edit my xorg.. the wiki didnt include an ATI secion, just nvidia
[11:48] <sdolnack> RogueJediX: me too, at the moment; give it a few months and then come back.  i'ts not very stable atm
[11:48] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Yeah, I've heard it's a bit unstable at the moment
[11:49] <samuli> TMS\: probably a single command in terminal is all you need to do, search google :)
[11:49] <sdolnack> hahaha took the words right outta my fingers
[11:49] <Ademan> RogueJediX: well not only that, AIGLX looks far more promising, a lot of the community has a lot of big problems with XGL
[11:49] <Stage> I need the connection first to do a full update and then install the drivers for my USB-WLAN-Dongle on desktop.
[11:49] <RogueJediX> Yeah, I read my RSS feeds. I'm l33t :P
[11:49] <RogueJediX> Ademan: What's the difference between it and xgl?
[11:50] <Stage> So my first idea was to use the laptop for routing and doing it without plugging a cable between desktop and router.
[11:50] <samuli> raven301: you need to get the keys for those repositories
[11:50] <Ademan> RogueJediX: the fundamental approach they take to achieving those special compositioning effects
[11:50] <ColonelPanic001> RogueJediX: kan u teach m3 2 reed rss so I kan b |337? :P
[11:50] <samuli> raven301: might be easier just to chance your repositories to something that won't need the keys.
[11:51] <raven301> samuli: I used http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:51] <sdolnack> Sysinfo for 'Yggdrasil': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)Mprocessor1.60GHz at 798 MHz (1597 bogomips), , RAM: 822/1010MB, 127 proc's, 1.1d up
[11:51] <samuli> raven301: do it again and use country near to you.
[11:51] <TMS\> samuli: yes, Ive searched for like 30 minutes now
[11:51] <raven301> samuli: I did
[11:51] <raven301> that
[11:51] <RogueJediX> ColonelPanic001: N0 w4y, d00d. Th3n th3r3'd b3 2 1337s. W3 w00ldn't be 1337, w3'd b3 2674
[11:51] <TMS\> its not like I didnt do that before coming in here
[11:52] <ColonelPanic001> I can't even read that :(
[11:52] <ColonelPanic001> lol
[11:52] <Ademan> RogueJediX: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx   and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX
[11:52] <samuli> TMS\: right, sorry dude :)
[11:52] <RogueJediX> Ademan: Thanks
[11:52] <RogueJediX> ColonelPanic001: Good. Because it took me like a minute to type it :)
[11:52] <Ademan> RogueJediX: no problem, AIGLX is even less mature than XGL, but i think its way more promising
[11:53] <samuli> TMS\: something I came up with quick googling: charset="ISO-8859-15"
[11:54] <sdolnack> what's the name of the kde 3.5.3 pkg?
[11:54] <ports> grr
[11:54] <sdolnack> i can't find it on adept
[11:54] <Snake> sdolnack: just do what the page says, you dont need to know the name
[11:54] <RogueJediX> sdolnack: I think you have to add an extra repository for it
[11:54] <ports> there was a guide to installing ndiswrapper and a broadcom card for Breezy on the Ubuntuforums.org website.. anyone remember it?
[11:55] <Snake> !ndiswrapper
[11:55] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:55] <Snake> :)
[11:55] <Bassetts> whats the teminal equivlent of IPCONFIG /RENEW
[11:55] <Snake> ifconfig
[11:56] <Snake> actually
[11:56] <Snake> sudo dhclient
[11:56] <TMS\> samuli: doesnt work
[11:56] <Bassetts> ok
[11:56] <Stage> sudo /etc/initr.d/./networking restart does a complete reinitialization of all network interfaces, right?
[11:56] <exhale> does anyone have some tip on getting a scratched cd-rw to work?
[11:56] <Bassetts> Snake, is it possible to change my modems ip
[11:56] <samuli> sdnolnack, you need to add kde 3.5.3 dapper repository to your sources.list and then update.
[11:57] <sdolnack> ohhhh duh i'm so out o fit today
[11:57] <Snake> Bassetts: sudo ifconfig <device name here> <ip here>
[11:57] <sdolnack> Snake: do you recommend upgrading?
[11:57] <sdolnack> Snake: you personally?
[11:57] <Stage> exhale: try another drive or put it in the freezer for some minutes.
[11:57] <Bassetts> Snake: e.g the equiv of this: http://forums.ntlhell.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=43330&view=findpost&p=185458
[11:57] <exhale> hmm freezer eye..
[11:57] <xenblend> hey can anyone tell me why, on dapper, the mouse pointer turns into a large white square??
[11:57] <exhale> Stage, should i put it in the freezer before or *after* i wrote to it?
[11:58] <samuli> sdolnack: check the instructions on www.kde.org.. To me it was worth upgrading.
[11:58] <Stage> before you want to read from it.
[11:58] <Snake> sdolnack: I would, but remeber those on the cutting edge should expect to bleed, I offer no guarentees of a clean upgrade
[11:58] <exhale> k.. thx
[11:58] <xenblend> hey can anyone tell me why, on dapper, the mouse pointer turns into a large white square??
[11:58] <ports> grr
[11:58] <samuli> sdolnack: kde 3.5.3 is a bit faster and is mainly a bug fix release so it should be ok.
[11:59] <xst> After I upgraded to dapper my firefox keeps crashing all the time. That is, it stalls. Anyone else having this problem?
[11:59] <exhale> how come 3.5.3 hasnt been added to the official repos?
[11:59] <Bassetts> Snake is there commands like that in terminal?
[11:59] <sdolnack> iunno
[11:59] <sdolnack> xst: use swiftfox
[11:59] <sdolnack> you'll thank me for it ;-)
[11:59] <exhale> what the heck if that lol
[11:59] <Snake> Bassetts: one second
[11:59] <Bassetts> ipconfig/release and
[11:59] <Bassetts> renew
[11:59] <samuli> exhale, probably because dapper development team didn't have time to thoroughly test it.
[11:59] <Snake> exhale: we dont update anything until the next release, we lock down the repos after release
[11:59] <exhale> well, he has no reason to run it unless he's running an amd cpu
[12:00] <exhale> Snake, :(
[12:00] <Snake> exhale: then were sure that the release is stable
[12:00] <Snake> exhale: you can still upgrade yourself though if you want
[12:00] <Snake> !+kde3.5.3
[12:00] <ubotu> somebody said kde3.5.3 was to upgrade to KDE3.5.3, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:00] <samuli> Snake, that's not quite true.. backports will have updated programs and I'm sure kde will find it's way there.
[12:00] <exhale> Snake, let me suggest that you  let firefox in by default on next release :)
[12:01] <Snake> samuli: tru.dat
[12:01] <samuli> exhale, Why would anyone want that? :D
[12:01] <samuli> exhale, it's slow and unstable in kde.
[12:01] <Snake> exhale: actually I believe we DID allow firefox 1.5.4 into the repos
[12:01] <exhale> well... why would anyone want to use the #2 most populair webbrowser? :D
[12:01] <Stage> I would find it good if the linux-wlan-ng-driver package would be in default.
[12:01] <exhale> Snake, its in the repos but not installed
[12:01] <Snake> Bassetts: im not really sure. :( sorry
[12:01] <sdolnack> Snake: i put the source in the sources list, and now it says there are 82 pkgs upgradeable; do I just upgrade them to upgrade to 3.5.3?
[12:01] <Snake> exhale: its not part of the Kubuntu-desktop
[12:02] <Bassetts> ok Snake
[12:02] <flo> question about the whole package idea... let's say i want to install banshee on my system i do apt-get install banshee. it will automatically select some more pack. for it to work...
[12:02] <samuli> sdolnack: yeah.
[12:02] <exhale> yea but other kde distros include it
[12:02] <Snake> exhale: its technically part of gnome, so it is around with ubuntu
[12:02] <flo> that's great so far...
[12:02] <samuli> sdolnack: might as well do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to be on the safe side.
[12:02] <flo> but now what if i want to remove banshee ? i do apt-get remove banshee but it will only remove banshee not the pack. that came with it..
[12:03] <xenblend> have multiple desktops been taken out in kde dapper?
[12:03] <Snake> sdolnack: update them all
[12:03] <sdolnack> safe side? what's unsafe about adept?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> flo: deborphan and debfoster are your friends :)