[06:54] <pitti> Good morning
[06:54] <rugby471> hello
[07:34] <didrocks> good morning
[07:37] <rugby471> didrocks: hello
[07:37] <rugby471> mvo : hi Michael
[07:37] <didrocks> hey rugby471
[07:38] <mvo> hey rugby471
[07:38] <rugby471> mvo : did you see my merge prop :-)
[07:41] <mvo> rugby471: yeah, but I have not looked at it yet, I will do it this morning
[07:41] <rugby471> sure, no pressure
[07:44] <rugby471> mvo: I managed to do quite a few things, I got the spinner icon into software-store (and also modified the animated image class so that if you supply it with a gtk.gdk.pixbuf instead of the string, it will create a static image from that), I did the stuff about hidiung the search and navigation bar depending on what view you are on (from the spec), fixed two bugs mpt set me and also made the breadcrumbs behave
[07:44] <rugby471>  as mpt wanted (however there is still one bug that prevents me doing this fully)
[07:45] <rugby471> I am writing this out as my bzr commits can be quite cryptic :-)
[07:45] <rugby471> jeez, I didn't realise I wrote that much, I probably look like an a**hole to anyone else reading :-(
[07:45] <rugby471> hehe
[07:46] <mvo> rugby471: woah, lots of fixes, thats great
[07:47] <rugby471> mvo : they were quite easy though :-) A lot of them one liners
[07:48] <rugby471> mvo :this is perhaps the shortest patch I have ever made : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-store/+bug/421563 :-)
[07:49] <rugby471> mvo: btw, Matthew has updated a lot of the spec so it should be a bit easier to see specifically what needs to happen in the code
[07:49] <rugby471> anyway I'm going to stop talking now :-)
[07:49] <mvo> yeah, I have seen that
[07:55] <mvo> rugby471: looks pretty cool so far, I will change "on_notebook_view_change" to "change_notebook_view" (the on_* usually indicates a callback)
[07:55] <rugby471> sure
[07:55] <rugby471> mvo: I just made that so later if there are other things we need to change of the view change, it would be easier
[07:56] <mvo> yeah, moving it there make sense
[07:56] <rugby471> oh and please feel free to clean up any of my code :-)
[08:01]  * pitti sponsors gtk+2.0
[08:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: sponsoring queue> wow, you've been busy :)
[08:07] <robert_ancell> pitti, :)
[08:09] <rugby471> mac_v: hello
[08:10] <mac_v> damn gotta find a way to enter silently ;)
[08:10] <rugby471> hehe
[08:10] <mac_v> rugby471: heya
[08:10] <pitti> robert_ancell: out of interst, why do you regenerate patches so often? most just change the line offsets, and thus should apply unmodified?
[08:12] <robert_ancell> pitti, I do it so that they don't get too far out of sync before breaking completely - I don't know how worth it that is but the amount of work seems quite small
[08:12] <robert_ancell> Also, someone complained to me recently that non-regenerated patches didn't unapply cleanly (but I haven't confirmed that)
[08:13] <pitti> robert_ancell: unapply> hm, they should if they only change line offsets
[08:13] <robert_ancell> pitti, some that I update are fuzzy too
[08:15] <robert_ancell> pitti, a question about bug assignment - do you think it is more important to be aggressive in assigning bugs to yourself or only assign if you are sure to have that bug fixed soon.  I ask as I wonder if assigning bugs discourages others from working on them (and not assigning can let issues get lost without an owner)
[08:15] <pitti> robert_ancell: right, updating the fuzzy ones is good
[08:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: personally I'm not very aggressive in assigning bugs to me, I only keep my queue filled up to 50 or 70
[08:16] <robert_ancell> pitti, do others fix some of those before you get to them?
[08:17] <pitti> so if I'm running low, I assign more to me, and if my queue is already full, and I get to a very important bug which I should fix, I assing it to me and drop the lowest-prio bug from my existing list
[08:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: sometimes, but very seldomly
[08:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: I subscribe to many bugs, though, so I see what's going on, and whether someone else figures out a workaround or has good debugging
[08:18] <pitti> and then it's good to forward it upstream, etc.
[08:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, I don't have a lot of bugs assigned to me but I track a lot (but it is a pain to manager), I think I will start assigning more to me then.
[08:18] <robert_ancell> manage
[08:18] <pitti> I found 50 to be a good queue size
[08:19] <robert_ancell> pitti, so in that case do you consider your current 50 will be fixed by Karmic?
[08:20] <robert_ancell> (as being assigned a bug can mean "must be fixed by Karmic" afaik)
[08:26] <didrocks> hey seb128 :-)
[08:26] <seb128> Hey didrocks
[08:26] <didrocks> seb128: was the end of your holidays nice too?
[08:26]  * pitti hugs seb128
[08:27] <seb128> didrocks, yes excellent thanks
[08:27] <seb128> yours?
[08:27]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:27] <didrocks> great too, thanks :)
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: I'm currently doing sponsoring, FYI (just to avoid collisions)
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks, I'm playing email catching up now
[08:28] <seb128> will do sponsoring in half an hour or so
[08:29] <slomo> seb128: hi :) could you sync a lot of stuff from debian? ;)   gst-plugins-bad0.10, gst-plugins-good0.10, gnonlin (experimental), pitivi (experimental), game-music-emu and libmimic?
[08:29] <robert_ancell> pitti, what was your opinion on the patch updating - harmless or I should only update if fuzzy or need rework?
[08:29] <pitti> robert_ancell: harmless, I just wondered why you were doing it
[08:29] <seb128> slomo, will do in a bit, I'm just back from vac and catching up on things now
[08:29] <pitti> I usually do "quilt push -a" and only fix the ones which fail to apply
[08:30] <pitti> robert_ancell: ^
[08:30] <pitti> robert_ancell: (or debian/rules patch, or whatever)
[08:30] <robert_ancell> pitti, I run quilt push, quilt refresh, repeat...
[08:30] <slomo> seb128: ok, no hurry :) if you do it in 3 days that's early enough too ;)
[08:30] <seb128> cool
[08:30] <seb128> I don't bother refreshing patches either
[08:30] <robert_ancell> pitti, I find CDBS a pain in that it is very silent
[08:30] <slomo> seb128: also i'm going to work on the automatic codec installation breakage next, let's hope this will be finished early enough for ubuntu ;)
[08:30] <seb128> robert_ancell, btw no need to list refreshes in the changelog
[08:31] <robert_ancell> seb128, ok, that will save some time
[08:31] <pitti> robert_ancell: it complains about failed patches enough :)
[08:31] <seb128> slomo, ok good thanks, we should have plenty of time for those fixes
[08:32] <mvo> rugby471: the merge looks great now, one question - you add get_label() to the naviagionbar widget - is that actually used somewhere?
[08:32] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20090831/
[08:32] <pitti> wohoo!!
[08:32] <seb128> hey mvo!
[08:32] <pitti> lots of space
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, you turned on documentation stripping?
[08:32] <pitti> yep
[08:32] <seb128> cool
[08:32] <pitti> uploading new langpacks as we speak
[08:32] <mvo> hey seb128
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to reply to your emails about those?
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, I don't have anything to add compared to what other people replied already there
[08:33] <rugby471> mvo: I was going to use it for the navigation bar, however mpt wanted it to behave differently than what I thought so at the moment, no there is nothing that depends on it, I just left it in incase there was something you might need it for :-)
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: if you have a different and strong opinion, please do
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: otherwise I think it's a good enough crutch until gnome 3.0 and mallard clean up stuff
[08:33] <mvo> rugby471: ok :)
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: then we can drop the symlink mania
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, ok me too
[08:35] <mvo> rugby471: merged as r154
[08:35] <mvo> rugby471: many thanks!
[08:36] <rugby471> mvo : np :-)
[08:42] <pitti> robert_ancell: btw, you don't need to put the orig.tar.gz URL into sponsoring bugs for bzr bd packages
[08:43] <pitti> or, rather, for all packages having a working watch file
[08:43] <pitti> robert_ancell: gnome-games> oh, the Big Split? :-)
[08:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, oh yes :)
[08:43] <robert_ancell> pitti, do you mean the URL in the bug description?  I just need to put something there to keep LP happy
[08:44] <pitti> robert_ancell: right
[08:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, is there anything I should know about?
[08:44] <seb128> I've been out of touch mostly for 2 weeks just making sure to catch up on what is needed today ;-)
[08:44] <seb128> ie anything blocking on me?
[08:45] <seb128> (out of the versions webpage I'm updating now)
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: you have two karmic/alpha-5 bugs assigned, I think
[08:45] <mvo> I can do a bit of gnome sponsoring too if that helps
[08:45] <seb128> pitti, right, I've a good view on those assigned bugs, will look at those today
[08:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, I think I've got all the .91 release ready for packaging
[08:45] <pitti> mvo: sponsoring queue is quite full, so any help appreciated
[08:45] <seb128> mvo, that would be great
[08:45] <seb128> robert_ancell, good job!
[08:45] <robert_ancell> mvo, did the compiz-dbg change look right to you?
[08:45] <pitti> mvo: if you start now, please assign bugs to you first, so that we don't collide
[08:46] <pitti> seb128: was there any dispute left about gnome-games split?
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, no
[08:46] <pitti> that will require some seed changes, too
[08:46] <robert_ancell> seb128, the only one I had trouble with is bug 419645 - I'm not sure how to redo that patch
[08:46] <pitti> and a decision which ones we want by default
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, we just need to decide on the default set
[08:47] <robert_ancell> pitti, regarding the games?  If no change to the seed it will continue to pull in the existing set
[08:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, I will have a look or hand it to MacSlow
[08:47] <mvo> pitti, seb128: ok
[08:47] <seb128> MacSlow, could you have a look?
[08:47] <pitti> robert_ancell: ah, there's a gnome-games meta package still?
[08:47] <robert_ancell> pitti, yes
[08:47] <pitti> MacSlow: hey
[08:47] <mvo> robert_ancell: I have not looked yet, there is some nice stuff in git again (from over the weekend) - I upload to the compiz PPA and we should try to get it into karmic too
[08:47] <pitti> MacSlow: please don't tell me that the centered position of the notification bubbles is a feature :/
[08:48] <pitti> I was about to file a regression bug, but some people said it was deliberate
[08:48] <robert_ancell> mvo, ok, I haven't tried the PPA yet either :)  (this week I promise!)
[08:48] <mvo> robert_ancell: :)
[08:48] <seb128> the bubble position change is disturbing
[08:50]  * mvo takes vinagree, gnome-control-center and notification-daemon
[08:50] <pitti> robert_ancell: comment in bug 417900
[08:51] <seb128> versions updated
[08:51] <mvo> rugby471: btw, how is you html/javascript foo :) ? I have this webkit branch and I wonder if I should explore it more
[08:52] <mvo> but my html/js skillz are ... really limited
[08:52] <rugby471> mvo: it is quite... okay :-)
[08:52] <rugby471> no seriously what would you need to happen?
[08:53] <mvo> rugby471: the webkit branch has a example for the appdetailsview that uses html, as you will see, the html is *really* limited (as is the JS). but we could use nice html for both app details and the categories overview. some html mockup with simple Js that changes the title on click on the categories would be cool
[08:53]  * pitti takes all the sync sponsoring bugs
[08:54] <mvo> seb128: you did the vinagree one already?
[08:54]  * mvo is too slow
[08:54] <seb128> mvo, I didn't do anything
[08:54] <seb128> I might have changed one bug by mistake some days ago
[08:54] <seb128> I'm just catching up with emails right now
[08:54] <seb128> still have 600 to go
[08:54] <seb128> ie do it
[08:54] <mvo> seb128: :)
[08:55] <mvo> seb128: ok!
[08:56] <rugby471> mvo: i'll have a look at it :-)
[08:57] <rugby471> mvo: by the way, just saw this website today http://allmyapps.com looks very good :-)
[09:02] <mvo> rugby471: yeah
[09:03] <robert_ancell> bye all
[09:06] <mvo> rugby471: oh, I just discovered one strange effect, when I click a category (e.g. programming), then search and then click on home again the view switcher briefly to the categories and then back to the applist. I think this is because of a late delivery of a terms-changed signal in the search entry
[09:07] <rugby471> k
[09:20] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:21] <rugby471> mvo: just had a look at it, yes I could start developing it, but I need you to integrate the current trunk code into it
[09:21] <rugby471> I just had a quick go but it didn't work
[09:22] <mvo> rugby471: sure, I will update it - and write a proper widget around it so that we can subclass and don't need to duplicate that much code
[09:22] <rugby471> cool
[09:22] <mvo> rugby471: i.e. the code that deals with the header changes to signal mapping :)
[09:22] <mvo> rugby471: I give you a shout
[09:22] <rugby471> hehe thanks
[09:22] <rugby471> k
[09:24] <rugby471> mvo : dude you are still using gaim ?
[09:24] <rugby471> :-)
[09:24] <mvo> rugby471: *shhhh* ;)
[09:24] <mvo> don't tell anyone ;)
[09:25] <rugby471> hehe oops
[09:25] <mvo> old habits ...
[10:07] <rugby471> mvo : if we get the webkit view then it would be a lot easier and prettier for the screenshot integration from http://screenshots.debian.net/
[10:08] <mvo> rugby471: yeah
[10:08] <rugby471> javscript goodness everywhere :-)
[10:08] <mvo> rugby471: and a lot simple to do the advanced layout stuff that the spec calls for
[10:08] <mvo> :)
[10:09] <rugby471> yup
[10:09] <mvo> rugby471: the branch is now up-to-date with trunk
[10:10] <rugby471> webkit?
[10:10] <mvo> rugby471: but no (generic) widget yet
[10:10] <mvo> rugby471: yes
[10:10] <mvo> (sorry)
[10:10] <rugby471> kl
[10:10] <rugby471> hehe
[10:10] <rugby471> should I start work on it then?
[10:12] <rugby471> mvo: ?
[10:13] <mvo> rugby471: yeah, just start playing with it, I'm sure I can learn some tricks by just watching the html/JS imrpove :)
[10:13] <mvo> rugby471: currently on the "appdetailsview.py" is working
[10:13] <rugby471> kl
[10:13] <lool> Is someone else missing the icon for status in his/her indicator-session applet?
[10:13] <rugby471> does the webkit version we have support html 5 ogg?
[10:14] <lool> I see the no-icon or broken-icon icon
[10:14] <mvo> rugby471: I don't know, sorry
[10:14] <rugby471> that way we could eventually have like video reviews or trailers .... :-)
[10:14] <rugby471> screencasts...
[10:14] <mvo> rugby471: longer term the html should also move from self.doc to a file, this way we could even have theming easily ;)
[10:14] <rugby471> anyway I should stop getting too ahead :-)
[10:14] <rugby471> yup
[10:14] <mvo> rugby471: yeah! if the current one does not have it, then I'm sure the next one will :)
[10:15] <rugby471> I was just thinking about the fact that apple's safari is refusing the support ogg...
[10:15] <rugby471> anyway
[10:15] <rugby471> I shall have a go :-)
[10:16] <mvo> :)
[10:17] <mvo> I have no idea about the plans, but I'm sure there is some pressure on webkit to support it (even if safari does not)
[10:28] <lool> pitti: Hey did we have a MIR for indicator-applet?  (not -session)
[10:28] <pitti> lool: we should have gotten one in jaunty, when it was introduced?
[10:29] <lool> Hmm it was in jaunty indeed
[10:30] <lool> pitti: Couldnt find a bug though
[10:30] <Amaranth> good morning
[10:30] <lool> I checked ubuntu-mir bugs in all states with text indicator-applet and all indicator-applet bugs with text mir or main
[10:31] <pitti> hmm
[10:32] <lool> TBH I dont have any particular issue with it; I was just wondering because I was trying to understand the link between indicator-session and indicator-applet-session
[10:32] <lool> In particular how the icons like /usr/share/libindicator/icons/hicolor were supposed to be used
[10:39] <rugby471> mvo: did you find any documentation for pygtkwebkit when you were setting it up?
[10:39] <mvo> rugby471: no, just the api docs for the C version, but it translated pretty much 1:1
[10:40] <rugby471> ok
[10:40] <mvo> rugby471: I can dig out the url if you want
[10:40] <mvo> rugby471: for this webkit work, could you please create a new branch (if you have not already :) ?
[10:40] <rugby471> no it's fine I am on that page now :-)
[10:40] <rugby471> yup sure
[10:40] <mvo> cool, thanks a bunch!
[10:42] <Amaranth> mvo: latest compiz git has a fix for bug 165161 and it has this really awesome feature where if you specify plugins to load on the command line the UI will not let you unload them
[10:42] <mvo> Amaranth: yeah, I noticed, git is currently full of yummy stuff
[10:43] <Amaranth> so if we start compiz with `compiz.real --replace ccp move resize minimize decoration` or so users can screw with the settings all they want without it blowing it :)
[10:43] <mvo> Amaranth: I'm updaing the ppa currently
[10:43] <mvo> Amaranth: sweet
[10:43] <mvo> Amaranth: you still have commit access to bzr, right? so just commit that fix to compiz manager :)
[10:43] <Amaranth> yep
[10:44] <Amaranth> been a fun weekend, I also found a bug in GTK+ :)
[10:44] <mvo> oh?
[10:44] <mvo> and a fix too ;)
[10:44] <Amaranth> well, the fix is a bit hacky
[10:45] <Amaranth> the bug is something like this: GTK+ caches the value of _WM_NAME for 15 seconds, gnome-appearance-properties checks that value, starts compiz, then checks it again in (iirc) 8 seconds
[10:45] <Amaranth> then says compiz failed to start because it's still being told metacity is running
[10:46] <Amaranth> my current fix is to remove the 15 seconds check and just always update the cache which effectively removes it
[10:46] <Amaranth> completely removing the cache doesn't look possible as parts of it are exposed in _GdkScreen
[10:47] <mvo> uh, I'm sure that took a bit of digging to figure that out
[10:47] <mvo> nasty :)
[10:47] <Amaranth> well, someone else did a lot of the work
[10:47] <Amaranth> I was about to dig into gnome-appearance-properties when someone else pointed out the call to gdk_x11_display_get_wm_name or whatever was the problem
[10:47] <Amaranth> I just had to figure out why it was the problem
[10:48] <rugby471> seb128: thanks for sponsoring the fix on xdg-user-dirs :-)
[10:48] <seb128> rugby471, your welcome, thanks for the change
[10:49] <rugby471> hehe
[10:49] <seb128> Amaranth, btw did you forward that change upstream or does it come from there?
[10:49] <Amaranth> ah, no
[10:49] <Amaranth> There is probably a more proper fix that would need to be done for upstream that I suspect will take some discussion
[10:49] <seb128> would be nice if you could open a bug there to discuss it then
[10:50] <seb128> at least to describe the issue
[10:51] <Amaranth> Yeah, there is probably a bug in how the cache is invalidated that would fix it properly I could talk with them about
[10:51] <Amaranth> Although my first thought on seeing this code is "Why cache this?"
[10:52] <pitti> seb128: I'll look at a proper fix for the retracers now for reassigned packages
[10:52] <pitti> (JFYI)
[10:52] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:54] <mac_v> rugby471: how have you fixed the ~Downloads issue?
[10:54] <mac_v> only the xdg part right?
[10:55] <rugby471> yup
[10:55] <rugby471> so XDG_DOWNLOADS_DIR is now ~/Downloads
[10:55] <rugby471> however on the bug they were discussing how it needed to be a bookmark
[10:55] <rugby471> and there were too many bookmarks... etc.
[10:55] <rugby471> that hasn't been fixed
[10:55] <mac_v> yeah. was wondering about, marking the papercut fixed , just confirming :)
[10:56] <rugby471> but then I don't think there has been a conclusion on what to do either
[10:56] <rugby471> anyway, my part of that bug is done now :-)
[10:58] <mac_v> rugby471: i lost the icon i was doing for the software store ! :( system froze and had to hard shutdown :(
[10:58] <rugby471> damn it
[10:58] <rugby471> had you done much?
[10:59] <rugby471> mac_v: oh well, can you remember how to make it ?
[10:59] <mac_v> rugby471: had done the basket and a bunch of stuff, those can be doe again , the colors are the tough part
[10:59] <rugby471> yup
[11:00] <mvo> rugby471: I commited a start of the WebkitWidget to the webkit branch now, it loads the html from "$datadir/templates/$classname.html" (but nothing more right now
[11:01] <mvo> rugby471: I will continure after lunch :)
[11:01] <mvo> rugby471: with the signal binding and the string template support
[11:01] <rugby471> I have started doing the css stuff
[11:01] <rugby471> it is a lot easier with html & css
[11:02] <rugby471> mvo: just one question
[11:02] <rugby471> what does html = string.Template(self.doc).safe_substitute(subs)
[11:02] <rugby471> do in the appdeatilsview
[11:02] <rugby471> becuase at the moment all the line breaks are being converted to paragraphs
[11:02] <rugby471> and that isn't optimal
[11:02] <rugby471> ideally we only want the double line breaks doing this
[11:04] <mvo> rugby471: it should just convert variables like "$app" to the real value ("synaptic") from the subs dict
[11:04] <rugby471> ok
[11:04] <rugby471> mvo: so is it webkit then?
[11:04] <mvo> rugby471: maybe it has some odd side-effects
[11:04] <mvo> rugby471: I guess, just comment it out and try maybe?
[11:04] <rugby471> wait it must be that
[11:05] <mvo> rugby471: then oyu will just see a bunch of $foo in the page :)
[11:05] <rugby471> mvo: yeah
[11:05] <rugby471> mvo : don't worry I'll isolate and find the cause :-)
[11:05] <mvo> thanks rugby471!
[11:10] <Amaranth> seb128: ok, gnome bug 593644 is linked to bug 420308
[11:12] <Amaranth> oh, haha, that other guy ended up finding the same root cause as me after he initially pointed to that function just being completely broken
[11:21] <seb128> Amaranth, thanks
[11:22] <Amaranth> seb128: my pleasure
[11:22] <Amaranth> I've got a couple more branches for you too :)
[11:56] <pitti> "Installing extra package nautilus to get ExecutablePath"
[11:56] <pitti> seb128: ^ \o/
[11:56] <seb128> pitti, you rock!
[11:56] <pitti> yay, nice trace now
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> good afternoon everyone
[12:31] <mvo> hey chrisccoulson
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> hi mvo
[12:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks for sponsoring the g-c-c update:)
[12:35] <mvo> my pleasure! thanks for doing it in the first place :)
[12:36] <mvo> rugby471: I commited some more webkit stuff, let me know if that all makes sense (or if it looks still too complicated)
[12:36] <rugby471> mvo: I have been doing some cool javascript stuff
[12:36] <rugby471> I am trying to find a lightbox GPL clone atm
[12:39] <rugby471> mvo: here is a vid of what I have so far
[12:39] <rugby471> mvo :
[12:41] <rugby471> http://videobin.org/+df/ft.ogg
[12:41] <rugby471> mvo : http://videobin.org/+df/ft.ogg
[12:41] <rugby471> sorry my finger seems to be trigger happy and I keep pressing enter before I am done :-)
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - you're back now:)
[12:45] <chrisccoulson> nice holiday?
[12:47] <mvo> rugby471: sweet
[12:47] <rugby471> hehe
[12:47] <mvo> rugby471: is that commited yet :) ?
[12:47] <rugby471> not yet
[12:47] <mvo> ok
[12:48] <rugby471> I am just trying the find a lightbox clone so that when it is clicked we get the fullsize image
[12:48] <rugby471> howevr I need to find one that is GPL or similiar, obviously
[12:48] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, yes!
[12:48] <rugby471> mvo:I have found two licensed under a MIT license, is that okay?
[12:49] <seb128> brb restart after vac upgrade
[12:52] <mvo> rugby471: yeah, mit should be fine
[12:52] <rugby471> actually it wasn't MIT after all, cc-by 2.5
[12:52] <rugby471> can we put creative commons attribution stuff in?
[12:52] <rugby471> mvo: ?
[12:53] <mvo> uh, I don't think they are compatible actually :/
[12:53] <rugby471> mvo : what's that? cc-by and ..
[12:54] <rugby471> mvo: as long as we put an attribution in the LICENSE file/AUTHORS file is that not okay? (please correct me, you know more about it than me)
[12:56] <rugby471> mvo: ah, I have found a MIT one http://www.digitalia.be/software/slimbox2, is this okay?
[12:57] <mvo> rugby471: MIT should fine
[12:57] <rugby471> cool
[12:57] <rugby471> do I need to write the MIT license anywhere? (ie. license etc.)
[12:58] <mvo> rugby471: yeah, having a copying.mit would be nice, I will do the rest
[12:58] <rugby471> ok
[12:58] <rugby471> I'll put this in then
[12:58] <rugby471> and then push the branch
[12:58] <mvo> cool!
[12:58]  * mvo hugs rugby471
[12:59] <rugby471> hehe
[13:01] <rugby471> mvo: should I use the jquery in the repositories and add a depends onto software-store or pack a version in with it?
[13:02] <mvo> rugby471: in general its prefered to use the external dependency
[13:02] <rugby471> kl
[13:02] <rugby471> I though so
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - do you think it makes sense to remove the "Accessible login" button from gnome-at-properties? (all it does is call gdmsetup, which has no accessibility settings now)
[13:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems a good candidate for an upstream change
[13:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, but yes in any case
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, possibly. i'll check the code - it might already hide when gdmsetup is not available
[13:07] <chrisccoulson> but in our case, it is available but doesn't provide the expected functionality there
[13:08] <seb128> right
[13:08] <seb128> so we can as well distro patch it out
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can do that
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> i just checked the code, and it does already hide if it is not available
[13:09] <chrisccoulson> so, i can do a patch to just hide it unconditionally now
[13:09] <seb128> ok good
[13:09]  * mclasen wonders what kind of gdmsetup ubuntu ships nowadays
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> mclasen - it's just a small utility to enable/disable auto login i think
[13:10] <mclasen> I guess that is why it never made its way upstream, too...
[13:11] <seb128> mclasen, the patch is in bugzilla
[13:11] <seb128> waiting for review
[13:12]  * mclasen goes to look for it
[13:13] <mclasen> if only bugzilla had a way to show bugs with patches...
[13:13]  * mclasen rolls eyes
[13:14] <seb128> mclasen, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587750
[13:14] <seb128> bah
[13:14] <seb128> compiz starts eating cpu every time I do alt-tab now and freeze my session
[13:20] <mvo> seb128: try the compiz ppa ;)
[13:20] <seb128> mvo, you have a fix? what about uploading to karmic? ;-)
[13:22] <seb128> mvo, do you have the ppa line handy?
[13:22] <seb128> I'm not sure of the team name
[13:22] <mvo> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:compiz
[13:22] <seb128> ;-)
[13:22] <mvo> :)
[13:23] <seb128> waouh, key update and everything
[13:28] <rugby471> mvo : the lightbox stuff isn't really working that well with software-store
[13:29] <rugby471> it makes it too crowded
[13:29] <rugby471> i'll just have the small thumbnail, is this okay?
[13:29] <mvo> rugby471: absolutely
[13:29] <rugby471> kl
[13:30] <rugby471> mvo : maybe later we could have something that makes the screenshot bigger but a lightbox style effect doesn't seem to be the way to go
[13:30] <mvo> rugby471: we can always make it a on-click event and open a new (python) window later
[13:30] <mvo> but for now, just having a thumb is already great
[13:30] <rugby471> yeah
[13:31] <seb128> mvo, no change
[13:31] <rugby471> okay I'll push these changes to a seperate branch then
[13:31] <mvo> seb128: intel card?
[13:31] <seb128> yes
[13:31] <mvo> rugby471: cool, can't wait :)
[13:31] <mvo> seb128: I can try on my test box in a bit
[13:31] <seb128> let me finish upgrades
[13:31] <seb128> I did a partial upgrade
[13:31] <mvo> IIRC there was a problem that rick had
[13:31] <mvo> that was similar, but I'm not quite sure
[13:32] <rugby471> mvo : btw the code I am using is based off rev 90
[13:32] <seb128> did that one got fixed?
[13:32] <mvo> rugby471: I will deal with the merging, no problem
[13:32] <mvo> seb128: no :/
[13:32] <mvo> seb128: I was just uploading some new stuff that *might* help, but its probably not build yet
[13:34] <seb128> session restart brb
[13:34] <mvo> seb128: hm, maybe not. it got reverted again (a swapbuffers wait commit)
[13:40] <seb128> mvo, seems to be bug #419264
[13:42] <rugby471> mvo: here is the branch https://code.launchpad.net/~rugby471/software-store/webkit-andrew
[13:44] <mvo> rugby471: cool! merging now
[13:49] <seb128> pitti, bug #388898 is depending or mission control 5 ok now?
[13:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, want to look at bug #419645?
[13:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, robert_ancell started on the upgrade but blocked on some changeset
[13:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can take a look at that
[13:51] <seb128> didrocks, are you still working on the pygtk update?
[13:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[13:51] <pedro_> wow seb128 is back!
[13:51] <pedro_> welcome back seb128!
[13:51] <seb128> hey pedro_
[13:51] <seb128> how are you?
[13:51] <pitti> seb128: yes, please go ahead; it replaces the older t-m-c
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[13:52] <pedro_> seb128, good, thanks. did you enjoy your holidays ?
[13:52]  * seb128 notes to stop using alt-tab
[13:52] <pitti> seb128: can I demote t-m-c already? i. e. will you do the empathy upload now?
[13:52] <seb128> pedro_, yes, had an excellent time there
[13:52] <pedro_> \o/
[13:52] <seb128> pitti, yes
[13:54] <pitti> seb128: hm, it doesn't need libmissioncontrol-* any more?
[13:54] <pitti> Binary: telepathy-mission-control, libmissioncontrol-server1, libmissioncontrol-server-dev, libmissioncontrol-server-doc, libmissioncontrol-client0, libmissioncontrol-client-dev, libmissioncontrol-client-doc
[13:54] <pitti> vs.
[13:54] <pitti> Binary: telepathy-mission-control-5, telepathy-mission-control-5-dbg
[13:54] <mvo> rugby471: merged, many thanks. I integrate it now with the new structure and see if I can also add the categories view
[13:54] <rugby471> ok
[13:55] <seb128> pitti, let me do the build and testing and I will tell you
[13:55] <seb128> but apparently not
[13:55] <pitti> cool
[14:01] <seb128> grrrrra
[14:01]  * seb128 kicks compiz and intel
[14:01] <seb128> session lock every time alt-tab is used is no fun
[14:01] <baptistemm> hello
[14:02] <rugby471> hello
[14:06] <didrocks> seb128: I think I will not have the time until wednesday (with UDW) and I didn't have the time as I did some clutter* stuff this week-end. Feel free to pick it/them :)
[14:07] <seb128> didrocks, ok thanks
[14:07] <seb128> I will do once I have caught up on everything else
[14:09] <bratsche> Morning.
[14:10] <mpt> hi bratsche, how's the path button going? :-)
[14:11] <bratsche> Eh, I'm sad to say it's not going at all.  We made an xsplash release and a new list of bugs came in that I've been fixing.
[14:11] <statik> moin
[14:12] <bratsche> moin moin statik
[14:12] <mpt> bratsche, ok, is there anything other people could do, that would help you get it done more quickly when you do start it?
[14:13] <bratsche> I'm not sure.  I can't really think of anything.
[14:13] <mpt> bratsche, well, maybe a list of the exact artwork pieces you need
[14:15] <mpt> bratsche, I also added a mockup to the mini-spec yesterday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#Path%20button
[14:15] <rugby471> hi mpt
[14:15] <andreasn> mpt, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2009-August/msg00046.html
[14:15] <mpt> hi rugby471
[14:15] <andreasn> mpt, opinions
[14:15] <andreasn> ?
[14:16] <rugby471> mpt: look what we accomplished today ! http://videobin.org/+df/ft.ogg
[14:16] <bratsche> Hey andreasn!  How's it going?
[14:16] <mvo> hey mpt - so from looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=1.0-department-search.jpg is looks like the "home" button is no more and its the "Get Free Sofware" button instead? or am I misinterpreting that
[14:17] <andreasn> bratsche, pretty good, fixing Thunderbird issues as usual, getting a new office space in town this week, All well with you?
[14:17] <rugby471> hehe mpt just got flooded with about 4 requests for his attention :-)
[14:17] <bratsche> andreasn: Sounds good!  Yeah I'm okay. :)
[14:18] <mpt> andreasn, following the guideline of icons for dynamic objects, there should be icons for: * application categories * applications * Places folders, volumes, and Network * items inside the "Recent Documents" submenu * items inside the "Preferences" and "Administration" submenus.
[14:19] <andreasn> mpt, would you like to send a reply to that e-mail?
[14:19] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey
[14:19] <mpt> andreasn, and there should _not_ be icons for: * "Connect to Server..." * "Search for Files..." * the "Recent Documents" submenu title * any of the top-level items in the "System" menu.
[14:20] <rickspencer3> seb128!
[14:20] <rickspencer3> welcome b ack
[14:20] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, welcome b ack :)
[14:20] <mvo> rugby471: funny, it looks like webkit can not render .xpm ;)
[14:20] <mpt> mvo, correct, the top-level item should be the same as the name of the section, i.e. "Get Free Software" or "Installed Software". This is from one of the findings of Monica Maceli's user testing.
[14:20] <seb128> rickspencer3, thanks
[14:20] <rugby471> hehe yeah
[14:20] <mvo> mpt: ok, thanks
[14:21] <rugby471> mvo : easy to fix hopefully :-)
[14:21] <mpt> rugby471, sweeeeeeeeeet
[14:21] <rugby471> hehe :-)
[14:22] <bratsche> mpt: So my idea to do this now is to just draw the > with Cairo or whatever, and not worry about theming the shape of it.  The only way theming would impact this is the colors.  So the part about falling back to toggle buttons shouldn't be necessary I believe.
[14:22] <mpt> rugby471, what happens if there is no screenshot for the particular application?
[14:23] <mpt> bratsche, that sounds good to me for a first iteration.
[14:23] <rugby471> mpt: 0:22 of the video
[14:23] <mpt> bratsche, good enough for 9.04 anyway. :-)
[14:23] <bratsche> Exactly :)
[14:24] <seb128> this compiz intel bug is driving me crazy
[14:24] <bratsche> Which bug?
[14:24] <mpt> mvo, want a call sometime today? If so, what would be the best time for you?
[14:24] <rugby471> mpt: and as mvo was saying the all applications will have  an icon, that is just a bug with the format of the image which we can fix
[14:25] <mpt> mvo, I have nothing particularly to ask you, this would be mainly so you could yell at me for changing so much of the spec so late
[14:25] <rickspencer3> seb128, just turn off desktop effects until the bug is fixed or we roll back
[14:25] <seb128> rickspencer3, right I might do that
[14:25] <mvo> mpt: ok, if you don't want to be yelled at, then we better skip it. I have nothing else on my agenda
[14:26] <mpt> hehe
[14:26]  * mpt cringes
[14:26] <rugby471> at what?
[14:26] <mpt> andreasn, I didn't receive it, I seem to have been unsubscribed from usability@
[14:27] <mpt> rugby471, at mvo's wrath
[14:27] <rugby471> haha
[14:27] <mvo> mpt: :)
[14:27] <andreasn> mpt, by accident or on purpose?
[14:27] <mpt> andreasn, by accident
[14:28] <mvo> mpt: seriously, its pretty hard to keep up with the change, we should consider to not call it 1.0 because I doubt all of the 1.0 goals can be reached
[14:29] <mpt> mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/262107/ is a list of the things I haven't finished speccing yet, and I hope to get done today. Quite a few of those are non-1.0 things, though.
[14:30]  * mvo looks
[14:31] <mvo> because of mis-undestanding some of the mockups (e.g. that installed/not-installed should be totally seperate) even the 1.0 goals are difficult to get in
[14:31] <mvo> but we will see, I (and rugby471 :) are on it full-steam
[14:31] <rugby471> hehe
[14:31] <mpt> #1 on that list I completed yesterday
[14:31] <rugby471> mvo:btw on friday I go back to school so I won't be doing as much
[14:31] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#%E2%80%9CIn%20Progress%E2%80%9D%20section
[14:32] <rugby471> mvo: infact I should really be doing some homework now :-)
[14:33] <rugby471> mpt: don't worry we'll get in it :-) we are ahead on some things like the screenshots in the application details view :-
[14:33] <rugby471> )
[14:33] <mpt> indeed
[14:33] <mpt> rugby471, I wonder if you could have just a centered spinner there instead of "Loading..."
[14:34] <rugby471> sure
[14:34] <rugby471> it is a simple image change
[14:34] <mpt> great
[14:34] <rugby471> I just thought the loading look more sophisticated
[14:34] <mpt> One less string to localize, a bit less distracting too
[14:34] <rugby471> however if you want we can change it
[14:34] <rugby471> ah yes
[14:34] <rugby471> localization >;-(
[14:34] <rugby471> hehe
[14:35] <rugby471> what spinner do you want me to change it to?
[14:35] <rugby471> the firefox one?
[14:35] <mvo> mpt: uh, that is a long list
[14:36] <mpt> mvo, most of it you have actually implemented already :-)
[14:36] <mvo> mpt: heh :) if the spec will match the implementaion, then I'm good of course ;)
[14:37] <mpt> rugby471, I think there is a standard spinner animation, that Epiphany uses for example. andreasn would know more about that.
[14:37] <mvo> s/good/happy/
[14:37] <mpt> You're always good, mvo
[14:37]  * mvo wishes that was true
[14:37] <rugby471> andreasn: any ideas?
[14:37] <andreasn> mpt, yes, there is still no spinner widget in gtk, but you can use the graphics called process-working
[14:38] <andreasn> look at how Epiphany or Nautilus does it
[14:38] <mvo> rugby471: yeah i18n :( we can not have strings that needs localization currently in the html templates :/
[14:38] <mvo> but that should be ok, thanks to the template substitution
[14:38] <rugby471> yup
[14:39] <rugby471> andreasn: is process-working a gtk- icon name?
[14:39]  * mvo adds a comment to the code
[14:39] <andreasn> rugby471, no, it's part of the icon themes
[14:39]  * rugby471 thinks that sounds scarily mysterious
[14:39] <andreasn> human will pick it up from gnome-icon-theme
[14:39] <andreasn> or High Contrast, in case the user is running that
[14:39] <rugby471> andreasn: yeah thats what I meant (not a stock icon, an icon name)
[14:40] <rugby471> cool
[14:40] <rugby471> thanks for clearing that up
[14:40] <rugby471> :-)
[14:40] <rugby471> hmmm..
[14:40] <mpt> rugby471, so do you know the CSS to center the spinner?
[14:40]  * rugby471 thinks about how to implement that
[14:41] <rugby471> yeah it is already set up the center the spinner
[14:41] <andreasn> gnome in general will look a bit rough in case you don't have gnome-icon-theme installed
[14:41] <rugby471> however how would we do this as it is a html page?
[14:41] <rugby471> can we get the location of the icon through gtk?
[14:42] <rugby471> /usr/share/icons/gnome/48x48/animations/process-working.png  > yikes
[14:43] <rugby471> mvo: we would have to convert that to a gif
[14:43] <rugby471> does webkit support any other animated formats?
[14:43] <mpt> ah, GTK animation and Web animation, worlds colliding
[14:43] <rugby471> yup
[14:44] <mpt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(graphics)#Image_format_support
[14:44] <mpt> No MNG nor APNG, which are the two formats that would interest us
[14:45] <rugby471> damn it
[14:46] <rugby471> mpt: I'm thinking we are going to have to use aa throbber which we will ship
[14:47] <mpt> rugby471, a GIF one?
[14:47] <rugby471> yup
[14:47] <rugby471> np
[14:48] <mpt> http://webkit.org/blog/324/css-animation-2/
[14:49]  * rugby471 reads it
[14:49] <mpt> rugby471, are you familiar with CSS sprites?
[14:49] <rugby471> pretty
[14:50] <rugby471> familiar
[14:51] <mpt> I'm wondering if you could treat the spinner as a set of CSS sprites, and then use the animation properties to cycle through the frames
[14:51] <rugby471> yeah I'm just looking at the example
[14:52] <seb128> ok, karmic updated
[14:53] <rugby471> mpt: sure I think I could do this, give me a minute
[14:54] <mpt> rugby471, I'm just trying to think of a way of doing it that wouldn't result in the spinner panning across from each frame to the next. :-)
[14:54] <rugby471> mpt: on that page it shows you how to define a keyframe
[14:55] <rugby471> mpt: basically we just define the keyframe as setting a different background image
[14:55] <rugby471> @-webkit-keyframes pulse {
[14:55] <rugby471>  0% {
[14:55] <rugby471>    background-color: red;
[14:55] <rugby471>    opacity: 1.0;
[14:55] <rugby471>    -webkit-transform: scale(1.0) rotate(0deg);
[14:55] <rugby471>  }
[14:55] <rugby471>  33% {
[14:55] <rugby471>    background-color: blue;
[14:55] <rugby471>    opacity: 0.75;
[14:55] <rugby471>    -webkit-transform: scale(1.1) rotate(-5deg);
[14:55] <rugby471>  }
[14:55] <rugby471>  67% {
[14:55] <rugby471>    background-color: green;
[14:55] <rugby471>    opacity: 0.5;
[14:55] <rugby471>    -webkit-transform: scale(1.1) rotate(5deg);
[14:55] <rugby471>  }
[14:55] <rugby471>  100% {
[14:55] <rugby471>    background-color: red;
[14:55] <rugby471>    opacity: 1.0;
[14:55] <rugby471>    -webkit-transform: scale(1.0) rotate(0deg);
[14:55] <rugby471>  }
[14:55] <rugby471> }
[14:56] <rugby471> sorry
[14:56] <rugby471> but we just change those percentages to 100%/the no.of images we have
[14:56] <rugby471> mpt: and set the action to change the background image
[14:56]  * rugby471 thinks he's probably going to get kicked for this :-)
[14:56] <mpt> rugby471, yeah, but that would still mean you need to split the spinner into multiple image files
[14:56] <rugby471> not with css
[14:57] <rugby471> you can reference it using background-position
[14:57] <rugby471> give me a minute and 'll have a demo for you :-)
[14:57] <seb128> rugby471, use http://paste.ubuntu.com next time please
[14:57] <mpt> yes, yes, but if you do that, the animation will be panning from one background position to the next.
[14:57] <rugby471> seb128: sorry about that, realised after I pasted
[14:57] <mpt> rugby471, because the background-position properties will be interpolated between keyframes.
[14:58] <rugby471> hmm yeah
[14:58] <seb128> rugby471, no problem just indicating it in case you don't know about it ;-)
[14:58] <rugby471> :-)
[14:58] <mpt> rugby471, instead, for the gnome-icon-theme spinner in particular, you could just use one frame, and apply -webkit-transform: rotate() :-)
[14:59] <rugby471> mpt: I feel it would just be easier to ship with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spinning_wheel_throbber.gif
[14:59] <mpt> yes, it would
[14:59] <rugby471> hehe
[14:59] <mpt> and that's Tango, so it's public domain now, right?
[15:01] <rugby471> mpt: it says CCPL-Attribution-ShareAlike-2.5
[15:01] <rugby471> what is the PL anyone?
[15:01] <mpt> rugby471, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-library/tree/COPYING.PublicDomain
[15:01] <rugby471> there we go then :-)
[15:02] <rugby471> mvo: since you have merged the branch, could you drop http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Spinning_wheel_throbber.gif into data/view/img/loading.gif ?
[15:02] <mpt> oh, except that tree doesn't actually contain the icon in question
[15:02] <andreasn> yep, it's PD, do whatever you want with it :)
[15:02] <rugby471> andreasn: thanks
[15:02] <mpt> yay
[15:03] <mvo> cool
[15:03] <mvo> rugby471: sure :)
[15:03] <rugby471> thx
[15:03] <rugby471> mpt: okay the throbber is now updated :-)
[15:03] <rugby471> hehe
[15:03] <mpt> \o/
[15:04] <mvo> I just confimred on webkit-gtk that xpm is not supported, a SMOP (simple-matter-of-programming) to add it though
[15:04] <rugby471> yep
[15:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you look at making gnome-session lock the screen on suspend btw?
[15:04] <rugby471> just convert it to a pixbuf and back or something
[15:06] <rugby471> going for a bike ride
[15:06] <rugby471> see ya
[15:07] <rugby471> (if you want me to see anything when I get back just post it, I will leave xchat on)
[15:07] <mpt> k, have fun
[15:07] <rugby471> hehe cheers
[15:07] <vuntz> seb128, chrisccoulson: oh, was wondering the other day... Shouldn't DK-power send a signal "I suspend" and "I come back grom suspend"? And then gnome-screensaver would listen to it
[15:08] <seb128> vuntz, no strong opinion, should gnome-screensaver be launched if not running?
[15:09] <seb128> or if it's not running for some reason having no screen locking is ok?
[15:09] <seb128> and there is no possible race? ie suspend being faster than the signal?
[15:09] <vuntz> no idea
[15:10] <vuntz> I just think it's weird to put this kind of stuff in gnome-session since at some point, you might also want to do other things after suspending
[15:10] <vuntz> and we don't want to have gnome-session do this
[15:11] <seb128> hum
[15:11] <seb128> not sure what would be the best way there ...
[15:11] <seb128> if there is a real need for such actions maybe adding a dir with desktop files or something
[15:15] <mvo> rugby471|bikerid: the spinner is commited (for when you come back later)
[15:16] <asac> hey
[15:17] <mvo> mpt: when we fetch screenshots, they are fetched from screenshots.debian.net and show a debian logo if they can not be found. is that acceptable?
[15:17] <mvo> for software-store?
[15:17] <mvo> or should we aim for our own instance?
[15:18] <mclasen> vuntz: the best place to wonder about such questions is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:19] <mpt> mvo, I think that's fine for 1.0. For 2.0 we'll have people submitting screenshots (along with other proposed metadata) on launchpad.net.
[15:19] <mvo> mpt: cool, thanks
[15:20] <vuntz> mclasen: good point
[15:21] <vuntz> (was looking for hughsie on irc, but didn't see him)
[15:21] <mclasen> bank holiday in the uk today...
[15:21] <vuntz> I'm actually happy for him he's not connected :-)
[15:23] <statik> hi pitti, feel like sponsoring a couchdb update for me? even fixed one of your bugs in this one :) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb/+bug/421971
[15:24] <pitti> statik: mine? wow, I don't remember ever having touched couch yet :)
[15:24] <pitti> statik: anyway, sure; where's the package, in the bug?
[15:25] <statik> pitti, yessir. attached the orig.tar.gz, the diff, and the .dsc. and of course built in pbuilder and test installed and ran a couple of test suites locally
[15:25] <statik> if theres anything i should change to make it easier to check, let me know i'll be happy to do it
[15:25] <pitti> statik: oh, the system user/group, I remember; thanks
[15:26] <statik> pitti, i will commit that same change in the debian package. before i do that, do you know of any possible reason someone might want to argue in favor of deleting the system couchdb user?
[15:27] <pitti> statik: I don't think anyone will firmly defend it
[15:27] <pitti> it's generally recognized bad practice
[15:27] <statik> ok, great
[15:29] <pitti> statik: I'll add the sponsor bug number to the changelog, FYI
[15:29] <statik> pitti, ah i missed that. i'll be sure to do it next time.
[15:29] <pitti> (no biggie)
[15:30] <pitti> uploaded
[15:30] <statik> muchas gracias
[15:31] <pitti> te nada
[15:34] <mpt> mvo, when you choose to uninstall an application, is there anything that requires the PolicyKit alert to come before, or after, any alert asking you about dependencies/metapackages/etc? Could it be either before or after?
[15:36] <baptistemm> hey
[15:36] <baptistemm> pitti: usaually I have a devicekit message asking to authenticate at each login
[15:36] <baptistemm> I guess this is for an ext4 partition I have, should I report a bug about that, or is it known?
[15:37] <mvo> mpt: yes, the policykit dialog is triggered from the daemon, so any confimration must be done before
[15:37] <mvo> mpt: we could change this by having some sort of dummy call I guess
[15:38] <mpt> mvo, do you mean the alerts about the dependencies must always happen before the PolicyKit alert happens?
[15:40] <pitti> baptistemm: it's known and in the works, bug 396448
[15:40] <pitti> baptistemm: (there's an open gvfs task)
[15:40] <davmor2> is it known that the notify-osd messages are 2/3's the way down the screen?
[15:43] <mvo> mpt: yes, currently. we could fix it by introducing dummy calls, but right now this is how it needs to get ordered
[15:44] <mpt> mvo, no, that's fine. I think it's better with the PolicyKit alert last anyway.
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 - sorry, i went away to do some gardening ;)
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> no, i've not had time to look at the screensaver issue just yet
[15:46] <mvo> mpt: ok
[15:46] <kenvandine> davmor2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Outside%20the%20bubble
[15:47] <davmor2> kenvandine: oh a feature :)
[15:47] <kenvandine> ;-D
[16:00] <bigon> could someone have look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/422010
[16:00] <bigon> ?
[16:00] <seb128> bigon, what about it?
[16:01] <seb128> bigon, we apparently added those symbols before
[16:01] <seb128> and you didn't in debian
[16:01] <seb128> was the mistake on the ubuntu side or you forgot to do it for debian?
[16:01] <seb128> hum I need to run, bbl
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> can anyone trigger bug 421944?
[16:03] <chrisccoulson> i can see where the warning comes from, but it's working fine for me here
[16:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson,
[16:22] <seb128> (gnome-appearance-properties:10557): appearance-properties-WARNING **: Could not load user interface file: Duplicate object id 'hbox1' on line 1910 (previously on line 29)
[16:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the .ui is probably buggy
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i can see the bug in the ui file
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> but the bug has always been there
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> just wondering if this is a new feature in GTK
[16:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what gtk version do you run?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> i'm just upgrading my version now ;)
[16:23] <seb128> ok
[16:23] <kenvandine> pitti, didn't you say you added evolution-couchdb to ubuntu-desktop?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i'll fix that after dinner
[16:25] <pitti> kenvandine: I seeded it, but apparently ubuntu-meta wasn't updated yet
[16:25] <kenvandine> ok
[16:25]  * pitti updates
[16:25] <kenvandine> thx!
[16:25] <pitti> I already wondered why the CDs didn't grow
[16:25] <pitti> but they have enough space now, thanks to the gnome help stripping
[16:25] <kenvandine> lool, so add evolution-couchdb to unr
[16:25] <kenvandine> it will bring in the deps
[16:25] <kenvandine> pitti, woot
[16:26] <lool> kenvandine: Thanks
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i can recreate it now with newest gtk
[16:28] <rugby471|bikerid> mvo: (icon comitted) thanks
[16:29] <mvo> rugby471: hey, welcome back
[16:29] <rugby471> hehe
[16:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok good
[16:29] <rugby471> mvo : I think I found the only cycle path in the whole of england :-)
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> the bug is due to our extra tab. i'll fix that in a bit
[16:30] <mvo> rugby471: a potentially silly question, I'm playing with webkit and the execute_script() function - but I seem to be unable to call a script that is embedded in the html page I loaded - do you have any idea? or I have to prefix something?
[16:30] <mvo> rugby471: cycle> isn't there like a big cycle map based on openstreetmap for the UK :) ?
[16:31] <rugby471> well it must be far away from me, england's cycle paths are a bit..well.. not good
[16:31] <rugby471> mvo: could you pastebin the script?
[16:32] <seb128> vuntz, what naming are desktop files supposed to use now?
[16:32] <seb128> vuntz, having the gedit entry as "gedit" is not so nice
[16:32] <mvo> rugby471: I commited it into the webkit branch as r101
[16:32] <rugby471> ok
[16:33] <mvo> rugby471: I just run "self.execute_script('addCategory("test","foo");')"
[16:33] <mvo> rugby471: and get a "Reference Error: Can't find varaiable addCategory"
[16:33] <rugby471> okay
[16:33] <mvo> is there a special synatax to use with JS or something to call a function?
[16:33] <mvo> the funny thing is that it work fine in the onload funciton
[16:34]  * mvo really need to learn more aobut the whole JS buisiness
[16:34] <rugby471> with JS you just call the function name, like python
[16:34]  * mvo nods
[16:34] <c_korn> does someone know when Ted Gould usually is in here ?
[16:34] <mvo> I thought so
[16:34]  * rugby471 learned most of my python coming from javascript :-)
[16:36] <rugby471> damin it firefox, don't freeze on me now...
[16:40] <rugby471> mvo: first of all I don't think you need the ; at the end
[16:40] <rugby471> ummm
[16:40] <mvo> rugby471: ok, I remove it - do you want to have a simple example to call? I can commit my python code too
[16:41] <rugby471> yup that would be helpful
[16:42] <mvo> rugby471: commited as r102, just run "python softwarestore/view/catview.py"
[16:42] <rugby471> kl
[16:42] <pitti> kenvandine: uploaded; tomorrow's CDs should have it
[16:42] <kenvandine> great
[16:44] <rugby471> mvo: sorry I have to boot up my virtual machine :-)
[16:46] <rugby471> mvo: when  I run that I get xapian.DatabaseOpeningError: Couldn't detect type of database
[16:47] <mvo> rugby471: please try running "sudo utils/update-software-store"
[16:47] <rugby471> oh well I got it working just running software-store
[16:47] <rugby471> ok
[16:48] <rugby471> mvo: does that build the database?
[16:48] <mvo> rugby471: yes
[16:49] <rugby471> nope still doesn't work, I'll just run ./software-store
[16:49] <mvo> rugby471: wehh, I think I got it :)
[16:52] <rugby471> mvo: what was it?
[16:52] <mvo> rugby471: premature executing the script :)
[16:52] <mvo> rugby471: it was not yet finished loading
[16:52] <mpt> andreasn, is that a wine bottle inside the generic package icon?
[16:52] <rugby471> yeah
[16:53] <mvo> rugby471: work now, is just ugly, some html love would be great ;)
[16:53] <rugby471> sure
[16:53] <rugby471> update the branch and I'll make it pretty :-)
[16:53] <mvo> rugby471: updated :) (r103)
[16:53] <rugby471> seb128: is there any reason why the current gedit item in the applications menu is called 'gedit' rather than text editor?
[16:54] <rugby471> mvo:kl
[16:54] <seb128> rugby471, upstream change apparently
[16:54] <seb128> vuntz, ^
[16:54] <seb128> vuntz, Name=gedit is the correct thing to use nowadays?
[16:55] <statik> mvo, btw i heard you might need an api to get ubuntuone username for software store? jdo over in #ubuntuone wrote up a simple page that gives back your own user info in json format, we can probably deploy it this week if you need it
[16:56] <rugby471> mvo: I get NameError: global name 'icons' is not defined
[16:56] <rugby471> is that meant to be self.icons?
[16:57] <rugby471> nope
[17:01] <mvo> rugby471: let me check
[17:02] <rugby471> mvo : fixed it
[17:02] <rugby471> you missed out a self.icons = icons
[17:02] <mvo> rugby471: yeah, sorry
[17:02] <rugby471> np
[17:02] <rugby471> mvo: is the view meant to change when I click the icons yet?
[17:02] <mvo> statik: yeah, I might need that, where can I find more info?
[17:02] <mvo> rugby471: no, that is not implemented yet, I work on it now
[17:02] <rugby471> cool that's fine
[17:04] <mvo> rugby471: commited (works now)
[17:04] <mvo> r104
[17:04] <rugby471> oh okay cool
[17:05] <rugby471> mpt: how big do we want the category icons? (in the lobby)
[17:05] <mvo> r105, sorry (stupid typo)
[17:05] <rugby471> hehe np
[17:06]  * mvo goes for dinner
[17:20] <tgpraveen1> asac: In karmic with gnome-bluetooth will sending and receiving files via bt be possible out of the box?
[18:29] <mac_v> mpt: http://imagebin.ca/view/hKQJaIQP.html , how is this for an icon for installed?
[18:29] <mac_v> i'm not sure of the color though ,
[18:32] <rugby471> mac_v: he isn't here atm :-) Icon looks good though, but a less 'sharp' colour would be better
[18:33] <mac_v> rugby471: yeah , color isnt to my liking too , have to play with it a bit ;)
[18:33] <rugby471> hehe
[18:33] <rugby471> mac_v: I think I just found the effect for the lobby screen http://hungred.com/wp-content/demo/jQuery-closing-opening-door-effect/demo.html
[18:33] <mac_v> rugby471: just wanted to know if the design was Ok for mpt, so i could spend more time on it
[18:34] <tgpraveen1> in karmic cycle will software store replace synaptic,add/remove ?
[18:34] <tgpraveen1> or all 3 will be there
[18:34] <rugby471> I think it is, however you may have to wait a while for him
[18:34] <mac_v> tgpraveen1: only add/remove
[18:34] <rugby471> tgpraveen1: in Karmic+1 synaptic is replaced I think
[18:34] <rugby471> tgpraveen1: see it here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#Roadmap
[18:35] <mac_v> rugby471: the doors effect is coooooool ;)
[18:35] <rugby471> hehe I know
[18:36] <rugby471> hopefully it is want mpt wanted
[18:36] <rugby471> and now that we are using webkit for the view
[18:36] <rugby471> s
[18:36] <mac_v> rugby471: any idea why the ss window is small? is it in the spec?
[18:36] <rugby471> itwill be a lot easier to implement (with html and js)
[18:36] <rugby471> mac_v: the window placing and size has not been decided yet
[18:36] <rugby471> so I suspect it will change before release
[18:37] <pitti> bye everyone, Taekwondo time
[18:37] <mac_v> rugby471: i think they could increase the window and the icons size to be bigger  , the appearance is very minuscule atm
[18:37] <rugby471> pitti: see ya
[18:37] <rugby471> yup
[18:37] <rugby471> well I am doing the new lobby with webkit
[18:38] <rugby471> and the icons are going to be a lot bigger
[18:38] <mac_v> \o/
[18:38] <rugby471> so I suspect a lot fo things such as size will change
[18:38] <rugby471> hehe
[18:53] <mac_v> rugby471: http://imagebin.ca/view/6ev0XYU0.html color better?
[18:53] <rugby471> I liked the first one better
[18:53] <mac_v> hehe!
[18:53]  * mpt returns
[18:54] <rugby471> mac_v : more this colour #77E176
[18:54] <rugby471> or have a look at the oxygen colour palete
[18:54] <rugby471> mpt returns > dum dum!!!!
[18:54] <mac_v> thats too pale :(
[18:54] <rugby471> ok have a look at the oxygen colour palette
[18:54] <rugby471> try a green in there
[18:55] <rugby471> or even the tango icon theme colour pallete
[18:55] <mac_v> mpt:  1> http://imagebin.ca/view/hKQJaIQP.html 2> http://imagebin.ca/view/6ev0XYU0.html  for installed
[18:55] <mpt> rugby471, see <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareStore#Application%20icon%20view> for the size of the icons in the lobby
[18:56] <rugby471> oh sorry :-)
[18:56] <mac_v> rugby471: the problem is , the emblem icon should not merge with the rest of the icons
[18:56] <mac_v> so must be a big jarring but not too jarring ;)
[18:56] <rugby471> yeah..
[18:56] <mac_v> bit*
[18:56] <mpt> mac_v, nice, that's the right general idea
[18:56] <mpt> mac_v, it's an emblem that will appear over top of application icons, so it shouldn't have
[18:56] <mpt> ... its own shadow.
[18:57] <mpt> mac_v, yellower but darker I think
[18:57] <rugby471> yeah
[18:57] <mac_v> mpt: from spec >"this might be achieved using a drop shadow "
[18:58] <mpt> more like the "Available" IM status icon
[18:58] <mac_v> you want the shadow behind the emblem?
[18:58] <mpt> mac_v, yes, by that I meant a shadow that suggests it's closer to you than the application icon is, not one that suggests it's standing on something.
[18:59] <mac_v> mpt: hehe! i first did it like ^ , then changed to drop shadow ;p
[19:01] <rugby471> mpt: is this the effect we want for the lobby http://hungred.com/wp-content/demo/jQuery-closing-opening-door-effect/demo.html ?
[19:02] <mpt> rugby471, that for returning from a department to the lobby, yes. The reverse for going from the lobby to a department.
[19:04] <rugby471> kl
[19:05] <rugby471> mpt: with hmtl it is so much easier :-)
[19:05] <mpt> that is so sad
[19:05] <rugby471> hehe
[19:05] <mac_v> mpt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_green , which color do you choose ;p?
[19:05] <mpt> mac_v, actually, one thing that's been bothering me is that we use one icon in the navigation pane for "Installed Software" (a computer), but the icon we're planning to use as the emblem for "this application is installed" is completely different (a check mark)
[19:06] <rugby471> mpt: it's just with gtk we would had to hack some clutter gtk thing up, however with javascript it is easy
[19:06] <mpt> mac_v, I'm not sure how or whether to resolve that, though. I'm pretty sure that using a computer icon as the emblem is not the right answer.
[19:06] <rugby471> mpt: we can change it if you want
[19:06] <mac_v> mpt: installed software uses a harddisk
[19:06] <mpt> rugby471, sorry, change what?
[19:06] <mpt> mac_v, yes, but it *should* use a computer :-P
[19:06] <mac_v> oh ;)
[19:07] <mpt> mac_v, I suppose for consistency it should use the same hue as the "In Progress" icon does
[19:08] <mac_v> thats great , easy :)
[19:08] <rugby471> mot: the icon for installed software (the harddisk) it is very easy
[19:09] <rugby471> mpt: to change the icon for installed software (the harddisk) it is very easy
[19:10] <mpt> good :-)
[19:10] <rugby471> hehe
[19:14] <rugby471> mpt: by the way, I am currently creating the view for the lobby in html, is this okay (i Tried to follow the spec)
[19:14] <mpt> rugby471, that's fine
[19:14] <mpt> thank you
[19:15] <rugby471> mpt: http://imagebin.org/61889
[19:15] <mac_v> mpt: http://imagebin.ca/view/aw9vEMh1.html
[19:15] <rugby471> the icons should be the same size, that is just a bug
[19:15] <mpt> rugby471, the mockup is slightly out of date, "Categories" should now be "Departments"
[19:15] <rugby471> sure
[19:15] <rugby471> done :-)
[19:16] <mpt> whee
[19:16]  * mpt wonders if we should have a sexier name for "Other"
[19:16] <rugby471> Miscellaneous....
[19:16] <mac_v> just what i was typing^
[19:16] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[19:16] <rugby471> hehe
[19:16] <mpt> I said sexiER
[19:16] <mac_v> lol
[19:17] <rugby471> oh alright,,,,
[19:17] <rugby471> well. urr.. mac_v typed it not me !
[19:17] <mpt> sure sure
[19:17] <rugby471> mpt: when the mouse hovers over the department icons & names should there be some visual feedback (ie. changing of colour?)
[19:18] <mpt> rugby471, just changing to the pointing-hand cursor
[19:18] <rugby471> thats it?
[19:18] <mpt> rugby471, probably there should be some visual change when you mouse down
[19:18] <rugby471> ok
[19:18] <mpt> Any suggestions?
[19:19] <rugby471> well I could change the background colour of the box containing the image
[19:19] <rugby471> sexier names: alternative, another, auxiliary, else, extra, farther, fresh, further, more, new, spare, supplementary
[19:19] <mpt> Is it possible in WebKit to change the coloring of the image itself?
[19:19]  * rugby471 tries to hide his thesaurus
[19:20] <mpt> e.g. make it darker, or put a glow around it, or ... something
[19:20] <rugby471> I don't know, i'll have a look
[19:20] <mpt> (You may have seen on my to-do list is setting up a /RedesignTheLobby wiki page)
[19:21] <mpt> rugby471, btw, a while back I changed the spec for the application icon view to say the text should be 0.9 em, not 0.8 em
[19:21] <rugby471> mpt: ah, we can have a shadow around it?
[19:21] <mpt> (that's the new size for Notify OSD body text)
[19:21] <rugby471> ok
[19:21] <rugby471> well I haven't done the text sizes according to the spec yet
[19:22] <rugby471> (as something wasn't working so I just wanted to get the content in)
[19:22] <rugby471> however I shall definitely not forget to do it
[19:22] <mpt> rugby471, some (but not all, ugh) of the category icons already have shadows
[19:22] <mpt> We wouldn't want to give the shadow a shadow, otherwise we'd end up like Opera
[19:22] <rugby471> but a shadow around the box?
[19:22] <mac_v> mpt: http://imagebin.ca/view/5AECcZg.html , how is this?
[19:22] <rugby471> hehe
[19:23] <mpt> mac_v, that's looking very good!
[19:23] <rugby471> horrah! I just got a message back from the owner of that opening doors effect and they said that it is GPL :-)
[19:23] <rugby471> mac_v: yep that's better
[19:23] <mpt> mac_v, maybe make the checkmark look a little more formal, a little less freehand?
[19:23] <rugby471> mac_v: why did you post two?
[19:24] <mac_v> mpt: the whole store is a bit friendly right? hence i did it ... this way
[19:24] <mac_v> rugby471: a slight correction :)
[19:25] <mac_v> rugby471: which actually turned out to be a speck on my screen :(
[19:26] <mpt> mac_v, true, but this is roughly analogous to a tag on something in a store saying "SOLD", and even in friendly stores those signs tend to be printed rather than handwritten :-)
[19:27] <rugby471> hehe
[19:28] <mac_v> hm... but this is not only going to be used only for , sold ...  so want it formal?
[19:28] <mac_v> installed apps are free too ;p
[19:29] <mac_v> mpt:  want it formal?
[19:29] <mpt> mac_v, yes please
[19:29] <mac_v> ok
[19:34] <mac_v> mpt: http://imagebin.ca/view/CW3zY3q.html  i think it is more formal now
[19:34] <mpt> mac_v, beautiful, thank you
[19:35] <mpt> Now we need to implement it overlaying application icons ... twice
[19:35] <mac_v> mpt: :) , np , do i upload it to a bug report or wiki
[19:35] <mpt> Once for package list views in GTK
[19:35] <mpt> and once for package icon views in WebKit
[19:35] <rugby471> just been listening to the quickly session in UDW, it looks awesome :-)
[19:36] <mpt> mac_v, to a bug report would make sense I think
[19:36] <mac_v> ok.
[19:36] <rugby471> mac_v: if you make a bug report it is easier for us
[19:36] <rugby471> well I am going to stop working on software-store for today
[19:37] <rugby471> next mission : overlay the installed icon :-)
[19:37] <mpt> thanks again for your work rugby471
[19:37] <rugby471> mpt: do you want that icon in the sidebar
[19:37] <rugby471> mpt: no problem
[19:37] <rugby471> ?
[19:37] <rugby471> instead of the hard disk
[19:38] <mpt> rugby471, no, a computer (including monitor) instead of the hard disk please
[19:39] <rugby471> okay
[19:39] <rugby471> that is my last change for today :-)
[19:40] <rugby471> see you guys tommorrow :-)
[19:40] <mpt> tchau
[19:43] <mac_v> rugby471: Bug #422172
[19:43] <rugby471> kl, thanks
[19:44] <mac_v> rugby471: bye :)
[19:44] <rugby471> see ya
[20:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it seems there are some people who don't read bug comments ;)
[20:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yes, I'm quite annoyed by those
[20:28] <seb128> I just added a comment
[20:28] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> i'm just building g-c-c to test the changes now (including the removal of the button for gdmsetup)
[20:29] <seb128> urg, update-manager doesn't start for a similar reason
[20:29] <seb128> glib.GError: Duplicate object id 'image15' on line 1088 (previously on line 957)
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> ouch
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> that's quite a disruptive change then ;)
[20:29] <dobey> meh, james_w is on holiday today/tomorrow :-/
[20:29] <chrisccoulson> james_w on holiday?
[20:30] <chrisccoulson> are you sure?;)
[20:30] <dobey> chrisccoulson: well today is a bank holiday in the uk
[20:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: james_w is currently in Paris :)
[20:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: he will be back tomorrow
[20:30] <seb128> hey didrocks
[20:31] <didrocks> hey seb128 o/ How was your first day back from vacation? you recovered? ;)
[20:31] <dobey> didrocks: wednesday according to the office leave calendar :)
[20:31] <seb128> didrocks, quite good thanks
[20:31] <chrisccoulson> i'm on holiday today too, but it just means i spend more time doing ubuntu stuff;)
[20:31] <didrocks> dobey: oh yes, he's coming back tomorrow, thought he will work ;)
[20:31] <seb128> I managed to catch up on emails
[20:32] <didrocks> great, that's the huge part :)
[20:32] <seb128> right
[20:32] <seb128> I updated the versions page too
[20:32] <seb128> and did some updates and sponsoring
[20:32] <didrocks> woaw, that's a lot for the first day, triaging your email during this time :)
[20:33] <didrocks> seb128: what went wrong with version.py, the cron got stuck?
[20:33] <didrocks> (as it wasn't updated)
[20:33] <seb128> didrocks, no, it segfault on the datacenter machine running it
[20:33] <didrocks> oh :/
[20:33] <seb128> the machine is running dapper still
[20:33] <seb128> and the apt version is a custom one for dapper with lzma support
[20:33] <didrocks> yes, I remember (because of launchpadlib ^^)
[20:34] <didrocks> oh, ok, that's give weird behavior consequently
[20:34] <seb128> no, rather because of python apt
[20:34] <seb128> well that worked for weeks
[20:34] <seb128> and is says they didn't change anything
[20:34] <seb128> and it started crashing and didn't stop since
[20:35] <didrocks> hum, weird. If I have an updated ubuntu version in my people.ubuntu.com space, I can setup it (didn't check yet)
[20:36] <didrocks> it can be a good fallback in any case :)
[20:37] <seb128> didrocks, would be nice to get the main version fixed but that could be useful yes
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i've pushed the g-c-c changes now
[21:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok thanks
[21:36] <seb128> bryce, hi
[21:36] <seb128> bryce, the compiz crash is fixed by installing libgl1-mesa-dri=7.5-1ubuntu1
[21:37] <seb128> let me know if you need extra infos
[22:15] <bryce> seb128, run it for some time; downgrading appeared to fix for me but after 3 hrs with compiz it still locked up.
[22:17] <seb128> bryce, I get it at every alt-tab with the buggy version
[22:18] <seb128> or rather every alt-tab cycle
[22:18] <seb128> ie it takes me 3 seconds to get it
[22:18] <seb128> and now I didn't get it in half an hour
[22:19] <seb128> but I will keep you posted later
[22:29] <bryce> seb128, thanks, and good to know you can repro it deliberately
[22:30] <seb128> bryce, thanks for the downgrade hint ;-)
[22:31] <seb128> bryce, as said I can trigger the issue with some alt-tab so if you need details ...
[22:32] <seb128> kenvandine, hi, could you look at updating gst-plugins-good0.10?
[22:32] <seb128> usually we sync but you did some changes which force us to merge now
[22:33] <seb128> there is a new version in debian
[22:34] <seb128> no hurry but that could be nice to get ;-)
[22:52] <paneo> Hi. I have installed Ubuntu in a computer. When I go to using internet, the connection is very slow.
[22:53] <joaopinto> paneo, this is not a support channel, please ask on #ubuntu
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm just taking a look at bug 419645, but i'm unsure of what needs doing. does the patch just need updating for the new g-s-d version, or are there changes in notify-osd that need to be taken in to account too?
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> (the current g-s-d works with the latest notify-osd)
[22:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think the patch just need updating
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> cool
[22:53] <chrisccoulson> i'll try and do that before i go to bed then
[22:54] <seb128> thanks
[22:54] <chrisccoulson> i must try and finish early tonight - i'm back at work tomorrow morning now too ;)
[22:55] <paneo> joaopinto: Oh! Ok. Bye.
[22:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there is no hurry for the update go to bed
[22:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, gnome-settings-daemon can wait until after alpha ;-)
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> heh, yeah, i forgot that the freeze is coming soon
[22:58] <Nafallo> o_O
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> i've got a fix for the g-s-d crashes too (well, i've got 2 fixes at the moment)
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> i need to do some more testing and then i'll prepare that tomorrow too
[22:59] <Nafallo> if we had seb512 nothing would ever had to wait... :-P
[22:59] <Nafallo> have to wait even
[23:02] <c_korn> if I have filed a bug about indicator-session is there a team I should subscribe ?
[23:02] <seb128> c_korn, no
[23:03]  * Nafallo hugs seb128 quickly and goes to upgrade his eeepc
[23:03] <seb128> Nafallo, ;-)
[23:04] <c_korn> ok
[23:04] <seb128> c_korn, it's basically ted working on it
[23:05] <c_korn> but I also should not subscribe him ?
[23:05] <seb128> he should be watching the components he works on
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> nice, gdebi also has duplicate object ID's in its ui file
[23:06] <seb128> c_korn, I will ping him so he subscribes to the source when he's there
[23:07] <seb128> he probably forgot to do it
[23:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems we are going to run into quite some buggy cases
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, it seems so. i suppose it's good to find them now though
[23:08] <Nafallo> seb128: btw. do you know if gdm-guest-session will get fixed to work on karmic?
[23:08] <seb128> Nafallo, it will
[23:09] <Nafallo> WIN \o/
[23:09] <seb128> I've read that it's near of that
[23:09] <c_korn> I expected that but I wondered why I did not see him in the list of "also notified" persons
[23:10]  * c_korn has a laggy internet connection
[23:10] <c_korn> seb128: thanks
[23:10] <seb128> c_korn, you're welcome
[23:11] <seb128> ok, enough work for today, see you tomorrow


[06:31] <kenta> Hi!
[17:01] <ioWGTdogK> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation-idUSKBN12Z2SL & https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 (ctrl+f qatar) - please don't let these be buried


[11:26] <ideasman42> Hi, a project I'm working on has a build issue statically linking with liblzo.a on Ubuntu16.10 - `R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol`, Seems that it could/should be built with -fPIC
[11:27] <ideasman42> This wasn't a problem in 16.04 (as far as I know)
[11:27] <ideasman42> I've noticed we're not the only project to run into this problem
[11:27] <ideasman42> See: https://github.com/opentoonz/opentoonz/issues/866
[11:28] <ideasman42> For now we can link to dynamic, but its more of a workaround
[11:47] <ikonia> so what's the actual problem/question ?
[11:50] <ideasman42> ikonia, the problem is that liblzo.a on ubuntu 16.10 seems to be built without -fPIC flag
[11:50] <ikonia> ideasman42: ok, so would it make sense to raise a bug against that ?
[11:51] <ideasman42> I guess? - checking if its some known issue
[11:51] <ideasman42> Just report here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[11:53] <ideasman42> hrmf. I cant find the report button
[11:54] <ideasman42> report a bug links to pages of text
[11:56] <ikonia> if you read the pages it talks about what to do
[11:57] <ideasman42> process seems to invovle crash reporter or so?
[11:58] <ideasman42> can I report a bug from the website only?
[12:00] <ideasman42> gotit
[12:03] <ikonia> cool
[12:07] <ideasman42> ikonia, reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1638535
[12:07] <ikonia> excellent
[17:09] <xXEoflaOEXx> What dev version of Ubuntu are you running? 17.04?