[07:43] <ShaneM> Morning all.
[18:47] <ebel> Our LoCo banner arrived
[18:47] <ebel> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rorymccann/5333737140/
[19:01] <czajkowski> glad it arrived :D
[19:04] <mokmeister> cool
[19:05] <mokmeister> hope you've got a better place for it than the floor! ;)
[19:19] <ebel> it's in a wardrome
[19:19] <ebel> *wardrobe now :)
[21:11] <airurando> evening all
[21:12] <airurando> draft team report for December 2010 is no up.
[21:12] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrishTeam/TeamReports/10/December
[21:12] <airurando> feel free to add, edit, modify, correct as necessary.
[21:14] <airurando> *now up
[22:30] <ShaneM> czajkowski: Well done on getting you're talk accepted :)
[23:09] <ryano> Got a new HP printer, it was quite difficult to set up but against all odds somehow I managed it :)


[00:09] <xnox> vorlon:  should i386 be built with noudeb build-profile?
[00:25] <sil2100> gQuigs: there is a chance, but at least I can't guarantee I'll have the time
[00:25] <sil2100> o/
[00:25] <gQuigs> sil2100: rgr, ty
[03:39] <xnox> cascardo:  virtualbox migrated! adt test retried! and virtualbox as triggered by the new kernel still fails! =)
[03:39] <xnox><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:39] <xnox> Good news! Module version 6.1.0_Ubuntu for vboxsf.ko
[03:39] <xnox> exactly matches what is already found in kernel 5.4.0-9-generic.
[03:39] <xnox> DKMS will not replace this module.
[03:40] <xnox> cascardo:  so i'm not sure what was the point =)
[03:40] <xnox> clearly if kernel has built-in module that is newer than in dkms module, the dkms test should simply pass
[06:29] <cascardo> xnox: that is a problem that locutus and I discussed already, it's dkms refusing the install. I'll do a manual test and hint
[06:29] <cascardo> Seth mentioned his manual test with the one we ship was not good
[13:46] <cascardo> xnox: tested and hinted, TB should ask for promotion to -updates soon, a d-i upload would still be needed, though
[14:13] <xnox> cascardo:  well, and that is the correct behaviour.
[14:13] <xnox> cascardo:  why would one use dkms module, when the l-r-m has the same module anyway
[22:36] <vorlon> xnox: noudeb> punt, given that we're looking to drop d-i builds entirely soon
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[01:12] <d4c7> Anyone working on an OpenSSL package?
[01:13] <sarnold> d4c7: we'll publish an update for it tomorrow
[01:15] <d4c7> sarnold: cool, tomorrow what TZ?  :)
[01:15] <sarnold> d4c7: hehe :) probably less than twenty four hours from now anyway..
[01:16] <d4c7> sarnold: got it, thanks!
[01:16] <sarnold> thanks d4c7 :)
[01:31] <MavKen> anyway to prevent port scans? using ubuntu 14.04
[01:32] <MavKen> and any recommendation of fail2ban vs denyhosts?
[04:50] <monokrome> Does anyone here have experience with MaaS and VMs?
[04:51] <monokrome> I've been trying to run Ubuntu's OpenStack for the last week to no avail
[05:03] <Mallot1> Hello
[05:03] <Mallot1> How would I go about creating a public SQL server with ubuntu?
[05:04] <cfhowlett> Mallot1, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-migrate-a-mysql-database-to-a-new-server-on-ubuntu-14-04                      <<this?<<
[05:05] <Mallot1> cfhowlett: I'm learning MySql for my iOS app ao i new to make new server
[05:05] <cfhowlett> Mallot1, ah.  OK.
[05:05] <Mallot1> ")
[05:05] <Mallot1> :)
[05:05] <cfhowlett> Mallot1, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=public+mysql+server+ubuntu&t=canonical
[05:06] <cfhowlett> Mallot1, 12.04 but should be about the same for 14.04    >>>   https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/mysql.html
[05:06] <Mallot1> wow! great help thanks thats just what I needed
[05:07] <arrrghhh> hello, anyone mind helping with some dpkg/apt issues?  Tried to install some packages for setting up a build environment, and seemingly have broken apt...
[05:09] <arrrghhh> this is what happens when I try to run dpkg --configure -a
[05:09] <arrrghhh> http://hastebin.com/pukoloniyi.vhdl
[05:32] <R0ckET> hola
[05:33] <cfhowlett> !es | R0ckET
[05:36] <Abhijit> he went to #ubuntu
[05:38] <R0ckET> sorry cfhowlett
[05:38] <cfhowlett> R0ckET, no worries
[05:38] <cfhowlett> R0ckET, please state your issue
[05:40] <R0ckET> my issue is with bash, can you help me?
[05:40] <cfhowlett> R0ckET, choose ONE channel.  no crossposting please
[05:41] <R0ckET> ok
[05:42] <Sierra> Unless there's a rule about it somewhere I missed... What's wrong with asking in multiple channels? One might have the answer where another might now
[05:43] <Abhijit> exactly.
[05:43] <cfhowlett> !crossposting
[05:44] <monokrome> I do "sudo apt-get install docker" and it says it's already installed
[05:44] <monokrome> I do: docker
[05:44] <monokrome> and it says "The program 'docker' is currently not installed."
[05:44] <arrrghhh> it dilutes the community effort, crossposting - similar to forums.
[05:44] <monokrome> wat?
[06:06] <R0ckET> there is a security certification for servers?
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:06] <phuh> Is it a good idea to put ssl pem file in /etc/ssl/certs?
[07:07] <phuh> or /etc/ssl/private?
[08:49] <six86> Hello. Is there a way to see "behind the progress bar" in an ubuntu server installation? Problem is that I have a problem with my preseed, but I can't see what's going wrong because it just is stuck on the progress bar.
[08:51] <kklimonda> try different consoles
[08:52] <kklimonda> one of the should be displaying progress
[08:52] <maxb> This is the purple text mode installer? (d-i)
[08:52] <maxb> You want to look at tty4
[08:52] <maxb> And, if you're debugging preseed, you probably want the DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 kernel boot param
[09:01] <six86> Thanks.
[09:01] <six86> I could see that it is stuck when I do apt-get install xubuntu desktop in a shell script I call with late_command
[09:01] <six86> I have no idea why it's stuck there...
[09:02] <six86> It worked before, when I had everything in the preeseed file itself
[09:05] <six86> maybe it is not good to use /bin/bash in a late_command script?!
[09:09] <six86> maxb: Is there a way to automatically switch to tty4 during installation?
[09:09] <maxb> Alt+F4
[09:10] <six86> I mean to switch to this view automatically in an unattended installation
[10:00] <six86> Is there a way to see the output of a shell script started in late_command?
[10:00] <jpds_> six86: Log it to a syslog server?
[10:00] <six86> no local quick way?
[10:07] <jpds_> six86: It's probably in /var/log/installer/
[10:56] <six86> Hm my late_command preseed script just hangs without any indication why....
[11:17] <six86> Is something deprecated in this howto: https://fak3r.com/2011/08/18/howto-automate-debian-installs-with-preseed/  ?
[11:17] <six86> I am doing almos the same and it gets stuck when i want do install a apckage
[11:20] <mwhudson> i'm too tired to read the details but i think it's more or less right
[11:20] <mwhudson> i've certainly done fully preseeded installs of trusty a bunch of times
[11:20] <mwhudson> six86: what are you doing and what happens?
[11:21] <Gargoyle> Is there a way to delete a filesystem from a disk (no partitions)?
[11:22] <six86> I think only the bottom part with late_command is relevant. I'm trying to install xubuntu-desktop in the script called by late-command but it never ends. I put some outputs in the script and I see them in a log file, but "apt-get -y --force-yes install xubuntu-desktop" just hangs.
[11:22] <mwhudson> ah
[11:22] <mwhudson> maybe something is asking a question via debconf?
[11:23] <six86> Before i just installed it in the preseed file directyl without chroot to /target, and it worked fine
[11:23] <mwhudson> hm
[11:25] <mwhudson> six86: is there some reason to not d-i pkgsel/include string xubuntu-desktop?
[11:26] <mwhudson> in any case, it's bed time here, good luck
[11:26] <six86> mwhudson: Yes. I'm also isntalling some other packages that are not authenticated, so it would just move my problem
[11:27] <mwhudson> ah
[11:27] <six86> mwhudson: good n8.
[11:27] <mwhudson> yes that would do it
[12:23] <hallyn> sarnold: jdstrand: so, last night my kvm vm with qcow2 snapshot rootfs woulnd't boot.  i shut down my thinkpad.  just booted now.  the vm starts!
[12:24] <hallyn> jdstrand: sarnold: is it possible that your qcow corruptions would have disappeared after a reboot, or have you tried that?
[12:24] <hallyn> I know it makes no sense...
[12:24] <hallyn> I'm going to disable KSM, for starters
[12:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: I never tried that
[12:49] <Yevgeny> Hello
[12:49] <Yevgeny> i get a PXE error
[12:49] <Yevgeny> when I try to boot with PXE image boot
[12:50] <Abhijit> what error?
[12:50] <Yevgeny> I get an error with DHCP: "No dhcp or proxy dhcp offers recieved"
[12:52] <progre55> Hi guys. I need to aggregate some logs (java application logs) from multiple servers into a single server. Using logstash could be an overkill (just for aggregating, no analysis or even filtering). Any suggestions?
[12:53] <progre55> Could rsyslog be right in this scenario?
[12:55] <jpds_> progre55: Yep.
[12:57] <progre55> jpds_: thanks! Never used rsyslog before, but will dive into the documentation (although so far, the documentations seems a bit too difficult to digest)
[12:58] <jpds_> progre55: $ cat /etc/rsyslog.conf
[12:58] <jpds_> progre55: A quarter of the way down are the settings to enable the UDP server.
[12:59] <progre55> jpds_: UDP? As far as I understand it, rsyslog supports TCP and TLS? These logs could be a little too sensitive to be sent over UDP
[12:59] <progre55> but I’ll look into it
[13:00] <jpds_> progre55: And to send traffic, you just do; "*.* @IP.ADD.HOS.T" on the sender.
[13:00] <jpds_> progre55: Oh, right, *that's* the complicated bit.
[13:38] <mdeslaur> If anyone is feeling adventurous, I just uploaded untested openssl packages here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[13:40] <RoyK> mdeslaur: what sort of fixes are there in this?
[13:41] <mdeslaur> RoyK: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140806.txt
[13:43] <RoyK> mdeslaur: ouch - I hope the libressl progress is good...
[13:43] <mdeslaur> I gather most of those issues also apply to libressl
[13:44] <mdeslaur> cleaning up code doesn't necessarily fix security issues...it just makes them marginally easier to spot
[13:45] <RoyK> "marginally"?
[13:45] <hallyn> sarnold: jdstrand: I've also gotten quite a few hangs (only of utopic, not precise, vm) over a laptop suspend.  I have to virsh destroy and virsh restart.  but in this case it restarts fine, dn't have to reboot host.
[13:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: see that even with old saucy kvm
[13:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: not everytime, but every now and again
[13:50] <mdeslaur> RoyK: it depends what the security issues are, if they are traditional C coding errors, sure, you'll uncover a few of them...but a lot of the crypto security issues are because of packet ordering or related to the complexities of ssl negotiation...those types of issues won't typically be spotted by cleaning up code
[13:50]  * mdeslaur shrugs
[13:51] <hallyn> jdstrand: I really get the feeling something about suspend/resume just doesn't get along with kvm on thinkpads.  anyway disabling ksm didn't help that particualr problem, let's se eif i get the disk corruption (which apparently was really page table corruption) again over the course of the day
[13:56] <RoyK> mdeslaur: agreed
[15:24] <alexrussell> I have Ubuntu 12.04 with fully up-to-date packages, and on login there’s a message about the HWE being no longer supported. It suggests doing an LTS update and to be honest I wanted to anyway, so it’s all good. I do a `sudo do-release-upgrade` and get back “No new release found”. A cursory Google search suggests I have to wait for the .1 point release, but then looking at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server 14.04.1 is out, so is there
[15:24] <alexrussell> something I’m doing wrong? I know I can install update-manager and run `update-manager -d` to kinda force it to update anyway, but before I go down that route is there something I’m not considering?
[15:29] <rbasak> alexrussell: sorry, that is confusing. I'll raise it.
[15:29] <rbasak> alexrussell: you can do an upgrade to 14.04 now if you wish - it's just not automatically recommended. That's coming soon.
[15:29] <rbasak> alexrussell: alternatively, you can just upgrade to the latest HWE kernel.
[15:31] <dasjoe> rbasak: that's because http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts doesn't refer to 14.04.1 yet
[15:32] <Nivex> dasjoe: do we have any idea why that hasn't been updated yet?
[15:33] <rbasak> dasjoe: right. Nivex: I think it's just final QA etc. on flipping the switch. Not sure of the exact reasons.
[15:34] <dasjoe> Nivex: it's coming "soon", according to 14.04.1's release notes
[15:34] <Nivex> rbasak: FWIW arrrghhhAWAY and I have been tracking this for the last two weeks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1344762
[15:34] <rbasak> Nivex: ah, that'll be the same bug here then - thanks.
[15:36] <alexrussell> Sorry got pulled away form my desk right after asking that. Thanks guys for getting back to me. I’ll hang on till it can be done automatically then.
[15:37] <Nivex> I've been tempted to pull the trigger on the do-release-upgrade -p, but I've been desparately trying to find out what the blocker is so I can know what problems I'll run into.
[15:38] <Nivex> There seems to be a black hole between me and whoever is making that decision.
[15:38] <alexrussell> Interesting...
[15:39] <Nivex> I'd recommend to whoever is writing those release announcements to define "soon" as a tangible time range (eg: X days, weeks, months). I parsed "soon" as a few days and we're up to two weeks.
[15:40] <alexrussell> yeah that seems a bit odd
[15:40] <Nivex> at this point it's less about not having the bits on time and more about the lack of transparency for me
[15:40] <alexrussell> And/or, as you say, get an idea of if there’s a reaosn it’s not released for upgrade yet (maybe someone forgot to update something, maybe it’s a big blocker)
[15:41] <rbasak> I understand the concern that there's some reason for holding it back that you don't know about, and thus don't want to do it yet.
[15:41] <rbasak> I will ask.
[15:41] <rbasak> I suspect it's just that 12.04.5 is being worked on first, and the same devs are working on both, so it's easier to do one after the other.
[15:43] <TJ-> I emailed Adam Conrad about this issue after his release announcement but got no reply, and the ubuntu-release team mailing list had an RFC back in February about the 12.04.5 release, and there's an email from yesterday saying 14.04.1 is going to be available from "Thursday"
[15:45] <TJ-> The key issue is here that support for current HWEs goes out of support today and with no 12.04.5/14.04.1 upgrade its as if everyone is expected to upgrade on the same day... there needs to be a month of overlap from availability of the upgrade until the previous HWE goes EOL
[16:27] <zereraz> Hello, I have a question , What are the lower level working of a web servers? If this is not the right channel please direct us.
[16:31] <arrrghhh> Nivex, I hate to say it... but I had to install 14.04 :/
[16:31] <arrrghhh> I got a little trigger happy with some bind mounts and managed to hose the entire 12.04 install.
[16:39] <user123321> What is the setting I need to set in interfaces file to enable networking between my VM's without a router?
[16:56] <monokrome> user123321: I think that you need to masquerade on that network with iptables
[17:00] <user123321> Aha
[17:21] <pmatulis> user123321: by default KVM guests are on the same network, so nothing to do
[17:28] <user123321> pmatulis, But VM's get different IP's if I use bridged adapter in VM settings (with router, ofc), no chance with this method too?
[17:31] <sarnold> hallyn: I never tried rebooting my laptop to see if that would allow my VMs to boot when they were corrupted beyond booting
[17:32] <sarnold> hallyn: I did see two or three times different VMs refusing to restart after laptop suspend/resume but never investigated those. I figured it was a miracle they worked at all after suspend/resume of the host. :)
[17:32] <sarnold> s/refusing to restart/hanging and not responding and requiring a VM reboot/
[17:34] <pmatulis> user123321: do you want your guests to be contacted from outside the host? if so, use a bridge.  if not, use the default NAT
[17:36] <user123321> pmatulis, Even with a bridge, I must need a router for assigning IP's for VM's, right?
[17:36] <user123321> I mean, including networking between VM's.
[17:37] <hallyn> sarnold: the next time you find corruption, please do try reboot and see if it works after that
[17:37] <hallyn> not only did my vm boot, the disk image was fsck-clean
[17:38] <hallyn> so this seems like some page cache badness
[17:38] <pmatulis> user123321: with a bridge you effectively put your guest on the same lan as the host
[17:39] <user123321> pmatulis, Even if I don't have a router connected to my ethernet port?
[17:40] <pmatulis> user123321: yep
[17:40] <user123321> pmatulis, Oh, so I shouldn't be having a problem for networking between my VM's, right?
[17:41] <user123321> without a router*
[17:41] <pmatulis> user123321: well, do they get an IP from a DHCP server on the lan?
[17:41] <sarnold> hallyn: wow. leaping right to conclusions, I wonder if it was that KSM bug...
[17:42] <hallyn> sarnold: does your laptop have numa?
[17:42] <hallyn> i've disabled ksm here this morning, will have to see if i end up with corruption in the next two days
[17:43] <sarnold> hallyn: unlikely, just dual-core i7
[17:44] <user123321> pmatulis, It didn't work the last time I checked without a router. Well, if I set 2 static IP's to 2 VM's, say, <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>, is there a way to ping from the 1st VM (<IP_ADDRESS>) to the second VM (<IP_ADDRESS>).
[17:50] <hallyn> sarnold: i've only got i5.  aren't you cool
[17:51] <hallyn> arges: hi, i just pushed a new 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.4 libvirt to trusty-proposed, bc the 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.3 fix was incomplete.  Could you please accept into trusty-proposed (deleting the 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.3 currently there)?
[17:51] <arges> hallyn: sure i'll review it
[17:52] <pmatulis> user123321: are those addresses part of the lan?
[17:52] <hallyn> thanks arges
[17:53] <user123321> pmatulis, I would like to create a LAN.
[17:53] <user123321> without a router.
[17:53] <user123321> Wondering if it's possible.
[17:53] <sarnold> hallyn: hehe, when my laptop refresh comes around I might be looking at eurocom.com :)
[17:53] <pmatulis> user123321: the host must be on a lan already
[17:54] <arges> hallyn: ok done
[17:54] <hallyn> sarnold: i've got two years to my next one, but the toshiba rharper pointed to looked sweet
[17:54] <hallyn> trackpoint, trackpad, and real mouse buttons.  sign me up!
[17:54] <sarnold> hallyn: oh right, I meant to go look that one up..
[17:55] <hallyn> hm, eurocom gaming laptop perhaps
[17:56] <user123321> pmatulis, Aha. By the way, here's the scenario. I have 4 VM's running at the moment, each assigned with a unique IP address by the router. And I could ping my VM's from my host. I'm wondering if I'm able to achieve the same functionality without a router connected to the ethernet port.
[17:56] <sarnold> hallyn: nine pounds? what could go wrong? :)
[17:56] <hallyn> shoulder injury? :)
[17:56] <pmatulis> user123321: i have a feeling by 'router' you mean DHCP
[17:57] <sarnold> hallyn: lol
[17:57] <user123321> pmatulis, Ah, I have connected my ADSL router to my machine.
[17:57] <pmatulis> hallyn: i'm always on the lookout for a decent lappy.  what toshiba is it?  can't find in scrollback
[17:58] <user123321> pmatulis, Yes, the router has DHCP.
[17:58] <hallyn> pmatulis: check warthogs list
[17:58] <pmatulis> hallyn: ah ok
[17:59] <hallyn> he couldn't find the i7 in the us.  but that's ok, my week-old tp is i5, does fine
[17:59] <hallyn> all right, back to libvirt and systemd-shim.  \o
[17:59] <sarnold> good luck
[18:05] <Rug> I have squid3 running on one of my servers and it is working as a proxy. BUT as soon as I enable 'transparent' it fails to operate.  any suggestions?
[18:05] <Rug> http_port 8888  <- works      http_port 8888 transparent  <- does not work
[18:05] <Rug> I have also tried these variations (none work): <IP_ADDRESS>:8888 transparent   http_port <IP_ADDRESS>:8888 intercept   http_port 8888 intercept
[18:06] <TJ-> Rug: how does it "fail to operate" ?
[18:06] <TJ-> Rug: Is it accompanied by a netfilter rule that redirects port 80 traffic to port 8888, with an exception if the source is the IP or process ID of squid?
[18:07] <Rug> TJ-: the access.log fail shows no activity.  The web-browsers don't fetch any pages
[18:07] <Rug> TJ-: no (about the netfilter rules
[18:08] <TJ-> Rug: transparent proxy intercepts non-proxy requests and forwards them if needed. That requires netfilter rules to redirect transparently as far as the clients are concerned.
[18:09] <Rug> TJ-: ok I'll look into that.  Thanks.
[18:09] <TJ-> Rug: Or, do you mean squid is in transparent mode and the clients have the proxy port 888 configured and the proxy fails to return
[18:10] <Rug> TJ-: When in transparent mode, the proxy server (as evidenced by the access.log) shows no activity.
[18:10] <pmatulis> user123321: if they're on the same subnet and use the host's bridge then they should be able to see each other
[18:11] <TJ-> Rug: Are the clients configured to use the proxy on port 8888 or are they sending requests directly to the target?
[18:11] <Rug> TJ-: port 8888
[18:12] <TJ-> Rug: For transparent read: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy-6.html
[18:13] <user123321> pmatulis, Aha, so if I set static IP's and same subnets for VM's, I'm good to go?
[18:13] <TJ-> Rug: read also http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/InterceptionProxy
[18:13] <pmatulis> user123321: and the bridge, yeah
[18:13] <Rug> ok thanks.
[18:13] <user123321> pmatulis, Cool, thanks.
[18:15] <dw1> how can i change the default interface to the main ip? everything (php, sendmail) seems to be sending out with a secondary ip (added/used for SSL on a specific web site)
[18:38] <dw1> i think i prob set up my secondary IP wrong https://pastee.org/44agb
[18:38] <dw1> i want the first one as default for outgoing connections
[18:39] <sarnold> dw1: can you configure your services to bind to eth0 instead of wildcard binds?
[18:40] <dw1> i can configure each individual program/outgoing PHP socket to use the IP i want, yes
[18:40] <dw1> but id rather it use the eth0 ip by default
[18:42] <sarnold> I know of no mechanism to ask the kernel to prefer one IP over another when a wildcard bind is used
[18:44] <dw1> wildcard bind.. thats the <IP_ADDRESS> i see in route -n i guess
[18:44] <dw1> https://pastee.org/pfbxh
[18:45] <sarnold> dw1: that's a default route; slightly different ;) hehe
[18:46] <dw1> what makes it a wildcard bind in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[18:48] <sarnold> dw1: nothing; applications will just use int fd = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0); connect(fd, ...);  without using bind(fd, ...) first
[18:49] <dw1> ahh hmm
[18:50] <dw1> so its normal then.
[18:51] <dw1> thanks for input
[18:53] <sarnold> dw1: actually... if you're up for some research, this might be promising: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.rpdb.simple.html
[20:12] <stetho> Hi. Does any have any recommendations for a directory server for home use? I'm tempted to just go with OpenLDAP but I'm nervous of its fragility and my inexperience. Locking my kids out of their computers wouldn't go down well. I've looked at other things like FusionDirectory and FreeIPA but I am wondering if there's other options that I haven't found yet before I choose one of them.
[20:12] <sarnold> stetho: 389ds? sssd? (never tried either one, just trying to give more choics :)
[20:15] <stetho> SSSD is an authentication daemon. I had forgotten about 389DS - I'll go and have a look.
[20:16] <sarnold> no directory component? thanks :)
[20:23] <zartoosh__> HI I am using ubuntu 14.04. The system harddisk is GPT partition.  I need a tool to label the disk partition. I used to use e2label before but it seems e2label does not work with GPT partition disks? thx
[20:27] <gorelative> im using nginx to rev proxy in front of my blog (Ghost), it uses SSL, but i cant figure out why gzip isnt working for static assets. I've included my nginx config files here: https://gist.github.com/mikedevita/75b130119c2251154fe1
[20:29] <Forex> hey folks
[20:30] <Forex> who here used ovh us cloud ubuntu servers?
[20:35] <delinquentme> so I've got a build script which ... oddly enough .. .is not running a single $ apt-get install salt-master   ... its seems like q very pecular thing to be failing
[20:58] <rberg> I am a little confused about the Ubuntu 12.04 hardware enablement situation.. will the 3.2 kernel series still be patched? or do I need to consider going to 3.13?
[21:06] <rberg> the wiki talks about Ubuntu versions 12.04.5 (3.13) wile I have 12.04.5 with 3.2 still
[21:09] <zartoosh__> hi on ubuntu 14.04, in the file /etc/fstab could I use actual partitions rather than uuid, and if so do I need to modify my grub.cfg? thx
[21:10] <chriys> hi guys, I just installed openssh-server but for some reason I get connection refused when to connect (ftp and ssh)
[21:15] <chriys> hi guys, I just installed openssh-server but for some reason I get connection refused when to connect (ftp and ssh)
[21:34] <guntbert> chriys: did you try locally?
[21:34] <arrrghhh> chriys, ftp would be something different
[21:36] <chriys> nope I installed it on a vps
[21:37] <guntbert> chriys: well, "locally" from that vps :)
[21:37] <chriys> Yeah I also tried that same issue
[21:38] <guntbert> chriys: what does      ssh -vv localhost  result in?
[21:43] <chriys> guntbert: I remove some line in the config file now ssh works but I can't make work the ftp
[21:44] <guntbert> chriys: I am about to go to bed: what ftp server did you install?
[21:46] <chriys> well openssh-server
[21:46] <chriys> guntbert: what do you advised.
[21:46] <guntbert> chriys: that is no ftp server, you need something like pureftp, or vsftpd,...
[21:47] <guntbert> chriys: type    aptitude search ftp
[21:47] <guntbert> to get a list of packages
[21:47] <chriys> what's the best
[21:49] <arrrghhh> chriys, both the ones mentioned are fine
[21:49] <arrrghhh> ftp is inherently insecure and should not be used, if it can be avoided
[21:49] <guntbert> !best | chriys
[21:49] <guntbert> sorry, ubottu failed me :-(
[21:49] <arrrghhh> lol
[21:50] <chriys> Then what protocol can I use to transfer files to the vps
[21:52] <chriys> arrrghhh
[21:53] <arrrghhh> chriys, sftp/scp is my preference
[21:53] <arrrghhh> and you already have openssh installed, so you can use that right now.  just depends on the client machines you're working with
[21:54] <chriys> well I'll use filezilla. How can I set up the ftp of openssh-server
[21:55] <arrrghhh> sigh.  as mentioned previously, ftp != openssh
[21:56] <arrrghhh> as for filezilla, it has the ability to connect to sftp servers, just choose that from the protocol dropdown when adding the site
[21:56] <arrrghhh> (sftp = ssh file transfer protocol)
[21:56] <chriys> ok I see
[21:56] <arrrghhh> or you can think of it as 'secure' ftp.  just like ssh is secure telnet.
[21:57] <chriys> Got it
[21:57] <chriys> guntbert: thx for help
[21:57] <arrrghhh> since you already have openssh, you should be able to just use sftp :)
[21:57] <sarnold> best not to -- there is also an ftps, which is ftp over ssl or tls. (I'd avoid that though, combining two horrible protocols doesn't make one good protocol..)
[21:57] <sarnold> so best to just think of sftp as sftp and be content :)
[21:57] <chriys> arrrghhh: how ?
[21:57] <arrrghhh> chriys, I explained it above on how to use it in filezilla
[21:57] <arrrghhh> what's the issue?
[21:59] <arrrghhh> if you're just using a username/password it's really easy.  if you're using keys, it's a bit trickier but still do-able.
[22:00] <chriys> arrrghhh: I can now connect throught sftp
[22:00] <arrrghhh> cool.  much more secure than plain FTP, and it's already setup :)
[22:06] <chriys> cool
[22:07] <chriys> arrrghhh: I heard that it's not a good idea to create a symlink to /var/www
[22:07] <chriys> is there an alternative
[22:08] <arrrghhh> what are you creating symlinks for?  what are you trying to achieve?
[22:08] <chriys> create a folder called html inside /home/user/ so that all the file related to the website will go there
[22:08] <arrrghhh> you can bind mount
[22:09] <arrrghhh> but I'm not sure either option is more/less secure than the other
[22:09] <sarnold> or set the docroot to /home/user/www or whatever
[22:09] <chriys> Since I disabled access for root no one will be able to access /var/www
[22:09] <arrrghhh> /var/www is owned by www-data on my box
[22:10] <arrrghhh> but resetting the docroot would probably be a better idea ^^
[22:11] <chriys> ok let me do that
[22:16] <chriys> arrrghhh: is it normal that I can create ftp and I can see what's inside home/user
[22:17] <arrrghhh> you'll have to elaborate on "create ftp"
[22:18] <arrrghhh> but you're connecting with the same rights as the user you ssh with
[22:18] <arrrghhh> so you'll have the same permissions/rights that user has
[22:18] <chriys> arrrghhh: directories*
[22:18] <arrrghhh> see above ^^
[22:18] <chriys> inside ssh I can create directories
[22:19] <arrrghhh> you're connecting with the same perms as your user
[22:19] <arrrghhh> so whatever rights that user has, you will have via sftp
[22:29] <arrrghhh> chriys, if you want to limit rights, you can setup a 'chroot jail' and login as a different user
[22:30] <arrrghhh> that setup is a bit more complex, just depends on what your needs are.
[23:15] <idefine> hi, I'd like to have my upstart scripts log to one of the ephemeral drives on my boxes. How can I specify this?
[23:30] <chriys> sorry arrrghhh I had to handle an emergency


[01:03] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: the developers know what's going on, it won't affect users one way or the other
[01:42] <Nothing_Much> oh okay


 I'll leave some comments in Ian's branches
[15:36] <marcoceppi> I was poking around the help for juju-core 1.10, what version (if any) can you specify an alternate .juju/environments.yaml (or different .juju "home")?
[15:36] <marcoceppi> I didn't see it in the help docs in 1.10
[15:43] <fwereade_> marcoceppi, 1.10 will respect the JUJU_HOME env var, in which yu can put your alternative environments.yaml
[15:43] <marcoceppi> fwereade_: thanks, that's what I was looking for!
[15:44] <fwereade_> marcoceppi, yw :)
[15:54] <rogpeppe> marcoceppi: there's also JUJU_ENV
[15:54] <rogpeppe> marcoceppi: i think py and go environments can coexist in the same file if you want
[15:54] <sidnei> oh, that's something i hadn't thought about
[15:54] <marcoceppi> rogpeppe: I have a few that do, but this was specifically for juju-testing which has an --isolate option I'm trying to replicate
[15:55] <marcoceppi> Which leads me to my next question
[15:56] <marcoceppi> In pyjuju there's a DELEGATE_CHARM and DELEGATE_REPOSITORY environment variable that _can_ be set (according to the jitsu test code). Does this notion exist in the go version?
[16:00] <fwereade_> marcoceppi, sorry, I don't think so -- what's it for? is it perhaps jitsu-specific?
[16:01] <marcoceppi> fwereade_: I think it was something baked in to pyjuju for testing specifically. I'm not too worried about it for go-juju at this point, but I think it was a way to get around having juju deploy <charm> actually do a local deploy /instead/ of from cs
[17:41] <rogpeppe> right, i'm done
[17:41] <rogpeppe> g'night all


[02:58] <m1erd4> hola
[03:12] <lxcang> Does anyone have dealt with snapped packages in the context of network namespaces?
[04:06] <Xatenev> Hello, I am running ubuntu 22.04 and my system freezes at random intervals. When the system freezes, I can't do anything anymore (move mouse, use keyboard), even stuff like the "magic SysRq key combination" has no effect anymore. The only thing I can do is hold the button until pc turns off and restart. how can I debug this?
[04:06] <Xatenev> this is happening for quite some time already, it also happened under 20.04 previously
[04:07] <Xatenev> I am not doing anything specifically when this occurs, once or twice I even got the freeze before I started any program, immediately after logging into my account, on other times it doesn't happen at all for a few days or even a week
[04:07] <Xatenev> sometimes it happen every day once, it feels completely arbitrary
[04:14] <lxcang> Do you GPUs, Nvidia drivers installed?
[04:15] <lxcang> What does the sudo dmesg, sudo journalctl -b -1 say around the crash time?
[04:15] <lxcang> Faulty PSU?
[04:16] <Xatenev> lxcang: they should be, software & updates -> additional drivers says "Using nvidia driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-470 (proprietary)
[04:16] <Xatenev> lxcang: I will write it down and check this when it crashes again
[04:16] <Xatenev> Sadly I don't know an exact time right now for the last crash
[04:17] <Xatenev> lxcang: faulty psu -> i don't think so, this issue is exclusively happening in ubuntu, I assume if the PSU would be problematic, I would get this issue also in windows
[04:17] <Xatenev> (I have a dual-boot environment running)
[04:19] <lxcang> journalctl -b -(number of reboots), should tell you at the end?
[04:40] <Xatenev> lxcang: so if I just rebooted from the last crash, I'd do -b -1?
[04:40] <Xatenev> sorry for the late response
[04:42] <Xatenev> lxcang: looks like this https://bpa.st/LCUA
[04:43] <Xatenev> with -b - 1
[04:43] <Xatenev> I also see a ton of this, written in a bright yellow: https://bpa.st/USQA
[04:43] <Xatenev> I guess yellow means bad
[04:44] <Xatenev> but the yellow warnings are 4 minutes before the last log, so I guess its unrelated
[04:45] <lxcang> Jetbrains is an IDE.
[04:45] <Xatenev> yes
[04:45] <lxcang> That's probably unrelated.
[04:45] <lxcang> So your computer likely is having a sudden death syndrome
[04:48] <Xatenev> lxcang: Iirc, a few seconds before I had the last crash, I got some warnings inside my ide - so it would fit pretty well. 30 seconds after I've pressed the button. Its unrelated though as you already said - because this also occurs when I didn't even have the IDE open
[04:48] <Xatenev> so with the last log being 40seconds after, it fits pretty well
[04:48] <Xatenev> But I guess no useful logs here then
[04:49] <lxcang> I hate to suggest this, start afresh with a new OS install?
[04:49] <lxcang> Do you have memory leaks?
[04:49] <Xatenev> lxcang: I guess I should do that - I was afraid to do this yet because this is my work PC with a ton of stuff to setup again
[04:49] <Xatenev> :E
[04:49] <Xatenev> lxcang: not that I know of
[04:50] <lxcang> What tons of stuff are those? Maybe not to rely on too much special setups? If I may know?
[04:51] <Xatenev> I already assumed it had to do with swapping memory, because for some time it always occured with high memory load, but I upgraded my memory then to 64GB, and then I got a freeze right away after starting and logging in, 30 seconds in with basically no programs started
[04:51] <lxcang> Xatenev: is the SSH still responsive?
[04:51] <Xatenev> lxcang: a lot of dev stuff, aws key stuff, certificates, vpn, docker, docker key registries, ide's, setup for our monolith application
[04:52] <lxcang> Xatenev: pings?
[04:52] <Xatenev> lxcang: how could I check this?
[04:52] <lxcang> Xatenev: all the stuff you mentioned are more likely than not are discrete files, which could be copied to somewhere else.
[04:53] <lxcang> Xatenev: unless your VPN is an IKE/ipsec one, I believe the config is at one place, most likely.
[04:53] <Xatenev> yeah, its not that its impossible, but it will take a day or two to set everything up again
[04:54] <lxcang> Xatenev: when your gdm3 becomes unresponsive, try SSH from a different computer or use xrdp or something.
[04:54] <Xatenev> sadly I don't have a different computer here
[04:54] <lxcang> Xatenev: a phone? A Pi?
[04:56] <Xatenev> lxcang: hm, I could check if it still responds to HTTP calls over the local ip, if that would tell anything?
[04:56] <Xatenev> (If I get the next freeze)
[04:56] <Xatenev> not exactly sure how I'd make a SSH call from my iphone to my pc lol
[04:56] <lxcang> Xatenev: yeah, I saw PHP there, so do curl -s or just ping it.
[04:57] <lxcang> A thing called phone SSH client.
[04:57] <Xatenev> I guess I need something like this https://apps.apple.com/de/app/termius-terminal-ssh-client/id549039908
[04:58] <lxcang> Xatenev: the one I am using.
[04:58] <Xatenev> I'll check it next time I get the freeze
[04:58] <Xatenev> What would that tell me if it still responds / or doesn't?
[04:58] <lxcang> Xatenev: Pi's are not expensive though to get. I don't mean Rpi only, there are bunch of Pis, like Orange Pi, Banana Pi...
[04:58] <gry> termius is awesome
[04:58] <gry> i also use termux
[05:35] <kasey> hi
[05:37] <kasey> hi
[05:37] <arraybolt3> kasey: Hi o/
[05:38] <arraybolt3> Is there something we can help you with?
[05:38] <kasey> yes
[05:38] <kasey> so uh
[05:38] <kasey> i kinda installed ubuntu and started messing with settings
[05:38] <kasey> like visual settings
[05:38] <kasey> i installed gnome
[05:38] <kasey> tried to use gnome on xorg
[05:38] <kasey> and it crashes
[05:39] <arraybolt3> I assume you started from Ubuntu Server?
[05:39] <arraybolt3> What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[05:39] <kasey> i go to logib i select gnome on xorg then it crashes and just shows a terminal with the test kernel failed
[05:39] <arraybolt3> Generally if you want a desktop Ubuntu experience you start with Ubuntu Desktop or an official Ubuntu flavor like Lubuntu.
[05:39] <kasey> i started from ubuntu 23.03 LTS
[05:39] <kasey> think thats correct
[05:40] <kasey> its 23.??
[05:40] <arraybolt3> 22.04 most likely if it's LTS.
[05:40] <kasey> yeah
[05:40] <kasey> 23.04 LTS
[05:40] <arraybolt3> There's an LTS in April every two years, so 18.04, 20.04, 22.04, etc.
[05:40] <arraybolt3> 23.04 is Lunar, a non-LTS release.
[05:40] <kasey> ok
[05:40] <kasey> o
[05:40] <kasey> cool
[05:40] <kasey> well
[05:40] <kasey> after i tried to boot from gnome
[05:41] <kasey> i always en up in my bios
[05:41] <arraybolt3> If you had to *install* GNOME you probably did something wrong.
[05:41] <kasey> saying it failed to find the OS
[05:41] <kasey> but
[05:41] <kasey> if i select hard drive as boot device which is already selected
[05:41] <arraybolt3> Just as a sidenote...
[05:41] <arraybolt3> !enter
[05:41] <kasey> it boots itnto a terminal which i can run kernel commands to start it
[05:42] <kasey> and now,everytime i start it it doesnt start i need to use a command, after that when i try to log it the app bar thing is not there alot of the bottons do not work the Os keeps crashing and its making my laptop overheat
[05:43] <arraybolt3> kasey: I think probably you did something wrong during installation and may have corrupted something. Are you dual-booting Windows? If not, I'd just download Ubuntu Desktop (**not** Server), and then install that over the top of whatever you have now. If you have any important data on this machine already, copy it onto an external drive first.
[05:43] <kasey> it gets hot to the point it shuts off then turns back on and says "Laptop Emergency Shutdown" under that it says "Your laptop reached a temp to high to control. Please let your laptop cool down for 4 hours then restart."
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Overheating is virtually never software's fault unless there's some sort of issue with fan-related software. You might want to open up your laptop and clean out the fan too.
[05:44] <kasey> im not duel botting i only have Ubuntu on it. i made sure to get Desktop. so you want me to reinstall ubutnu desktop?
[05:44] <kasey> idk this laptop has 3 different fans
[05:44] <arraybolt3> how old is it?
[05:45] <kasey> its 3 months old
[05:45] <kasey> it was cleaned last week
[05:45] <arraybolt3> hmm
[05:45] <kasey> the fans are ramping up and task managers show 100$% usage on everything even ram
[05:45] <kasey> and it has 32gb ram i dont think the os is really using that much
[05:45] <arraybolt3> I'd start with reinstalling to wipe out anything you did that messed up the system, then try again. If you don't *have* to use Xorg, don't, just use Wayland.
[05:45] <arraybolt3> (which is the default)
[05:46] <kasey> alright
[05:46] <kasey> i will reinstall and com back with a updat
[05:46] <arraybolt3> sounds good
[05:49] <kasey> im back with some not so good news
[05:49] <kasey> @arratbolt3
[05:50] <kasey> i tried to install it but half way completed it said something failed and it could no longer detect the m.2. i tried to insall agian but once it gets to Installing Python3 it jjust says that it cant detect the storage device
[05:56] <kjamal> Hi Folks! Any Suggestions On Futuristic Terminal Font?
[06:02] <arraybolt3> kjamal: That's going to be a very opinion-based question, and not specifically related to Ubuntu. However, you might find what you're looking for with this: https://www.codingfont.com/ I used this to choose a font for coding and settled on Red Hat Mono.
[06:07] <crystalrajel> e
[06:10] <crystalrajel> uhm-
[06:10] <crystalrajel> can i please get help?
[06:16] <Bashing-om> !ask | crystalrajel
[06:16] <crystalrajel> I'm sorry.
[06:21] <crystalrajel> I had Ubuntu 22.04 but I moved up to Ubuntu 24.04. When I did, things started to not work. First, it was a internet browser I used. I switched to FireFox and moved on. Next, it was Thundermail, then sooner or later the OS crashed and when I booted it up it said that it could not detect the OS. I enter UEFI, and select Ubuntu 24.04 as the boot device and I boot. Once it does boot, its a black screen with a command line. I type start and it seems to boot
[06:21] <crystalrajel> into Ubuntu. After this, it was really broken... Like really... Really... broken.... I then try to reinstall the OS but it says it cant find my SSD. I dont know what to do anymore.
[06:23] <crystalrajel> !patience
[06:24] <crystalrajel> Oh yeah its Ubuntu Pro Desktop 24.04 from Ubuntu 22.04 Pro Desktop
[06:47] <kjamal> Hi Folks! Any Suggestions On Futuristic Terminal Font
[06:48] <kjamal> ?
[07:14] <kjamal> Any Suggestions On Futuristic Terminal Font?
[07:25] <CosmicDJ> kjartan: rephrase question please
[08:12] <nonya> check test
[08:36] <Mayn> hello
[08:36] <Mayn> can anyone help with this
[08:36] <Mayn> network unreachable resolving './DNSKEY/IN': 2001:dc3::35#5
[08:57] <mBodoMi> hello
[09:57] <zetheroo> When was kernel version 6.1 released for Ubuntu 22.04?
[09:58] <zetheroo> According to this it never seem to have been https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle#ubuntu-kernel-release-cycle
[09:58] <zetheroo> But maybe I am missing something!?
[10:04] <CosmicDJ> zetheroo: I'm running 6.2 on jammy/22.04 ; are you sure there was a 6.1 kernel?
[10:05] <zetheroo>  CosmicDJ: I ask because some guy here is running v6.1 ... and I am wondering if this could in any way be due to an outdated 22.04 Ubuntu OS, or if this is something he had to have done manually.
[10:06] <Mayn> yo is it me
[10:10] <geirha> I got 6.1 on ubuntu 22.04. An oem version
[10:12] <ddemaio> hi all. do any of you know who applied for ubuntu to be at fosdem this year?
[10:23] <zetheroo> geirha: interesting. Is that the current kernel running on your system?
[11:06] <geirha> zetheroo: yes, uname -r says 6.1.0-1026-oem
[11:07] <geirha> ubuntu came pre-installed on this dell laptop
[12:32] <zetheroo> geirha: ah, do you have a Dell repo?
[12:32] <zetheroo> I found a Lenovo oem repo on this guy's Thinkpad
[12:32] <zetheroo> which is where the 6.1 kernel came from
[12:36] <geirha> yes, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/{oem-jiayi-meta,oem-somerville-muk-meta}.list  adds a couple extra repos
[12:37] <zetheroo> and I guess you didn't add this oem repo yourself, but that it came with the Ubuntu OS install?
[12:38] <geirha> though linux-image-6.1.0-1026-oem  comes from the main repos
[12:39] <geirha> yeah, haven't messed around with adding repos myself; came with the oem install
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: in some cases, ubuntu will choose a better kernel for your brand/hardware like an oem kernel
[12:47] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: any idea how it decides this? On my Thinkpad there is no oem Lenovo repo, but on this other guy's Thinkpad there was. Both were bought directly from Lenovo with Windows OS.
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: not sure no, but ive seen a mailinglist about oem kernel policy a few times
[12:50] <BojanM> Hi! Does anyone use ubuntu with Steam Deck?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | BojanM
[12:54] <bluf0x> Hi,  Can  anyone help please?  im trying to install Ubuntu from USB stick when i load it via UEFI, it gives the menu with "try and install Ubuntu" etc.. but just before it gives that menu, it flashes an error quickly "error: file `/boot/` not found"  - so i was still able to continue the installation..  Can anyone tell me what this error means? and if i should continue with the installation would it be ok, or will it install it in a corrupt way?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: are you trying to single install ubuntu or dualboot, and are your fastboot and secureboot enabled or disabled?
[12:58] <bluf0x> lotuspsychje, Single, and yes and yes both disabled.
[12:58] <bluf0x> its not like i cant continue with the installation, but im just worried this will have a negative effect on the installation, or is it normal?
[13:00] <lotuspsychje> i didnt see that error yet bluf0x, but if ubuntu proceeds install that would be a good sign i assume
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: wich tool did you use to create your ubuntu usb stick?
[13:03] <bluf0x> lotuspsychje, balena
[13:04] <bluf0x> it even verified successfully.
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2486654
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> bluf0x: if it doesnt work out, you could also try making an usb stick with the unofficial ventoy
[13:20] <bluf0x> lotuspsychje, i will try flashing to a new stick
[13:39] <ph88> can someone help me get colorpie running ?  https://bpa.st/CBUQ
[13:44] <psy32nd> Hi
[13:47] <psy32nd> Guys?
[13:54] <ravage> ph88: sudo apt install colorpie
[13:56] <ogra> or "sudo snap install colorpie" 😉
[13:57] <ravage> eh yeah
[13:57] <ravage> what ogra says :P
[13:57] <ravage> the snap runs fine here
[14:10] <Elliria> Hey there. I've got a quetion about the update-initramfs command for any of you who happen to be gurus on that command:
[14:10] <Elliria> The update-initramfs command offers the -k option and has this to say for that option: "This argument is optional for update. The default is the latest kernel version." What I'm unclear on is if I boot into an older kernel and then run the sudo update-initramfs -u command *without* the -k option, will it update the current (older) kernel or will it realize there's a newer (latest) kernel and update that one?
[14:13] <ogra> Elliria, you should use -k $(uname -r) in that case just to be sure ... or "-k all"
[14:13] <ogra> (though the latter one will re-generate all of them, that takes indeed extra time)
[14:13] <ogra> Elliria, also: man update-initramfs ...
[14:22] <bluf0x> lotuspsychje, i tried flashing on a new stick, same issue. then i tried with rufus, and it seems that error doesnt flash before my eyes before the initial installation grub is shown. Do you maybe know why this happened ?
[14:25] <ravage> bluf0x: why dont you just try the installation?
[14:26] <ravage> you said the installer starts just fine
[14:26] <bluf0x> which one? the one with the "boot error" that flashes before the grub menu?
[14:26] <ravage> "its not like i cant continue with the installation"
[14:27] <bluf0x> ravage, i can start it, its no problem, i just want to know if there will be any negative impact on the installation behind the scenes?
[14:28] <Elliria> The  -k $(uname -r) option updates the current kernel because that's what you specify. The update-initramfs man page said, under the -k option, that the -k option is optional and that the default is the "latest kernel version". My question is that if you intentionally boot into a previous kernel instead of the latest kernel version, will update-initramfs know that the latest kernel exists and update that one or will it think the current
[14:28] <Elliria> kernel is the latest kernel and update that one instead?
[14:30] <ravage> bluf0x: if the error shows while booting your live usb then that has nothing to do with the install process. just try if it runs
[14:31] <ph88> ravage, it's already installed
[14:31] <solzin23> hello
[14:31] <solzin23> ksjdflkjsofjçdsjfp
[14:31] <ph88> ogra, i like to fix the root cause of the problem
[14:31] <solzin23> ksfjskldjflksjdlfjlksdjlkf
[14:31] <ogra> Elliria, it checks whats in /boot (or the installed kernels) and picks the last in list
[14:32] <ogra> Elliria, so it will likely not generate for the running but the last (as the sentence suggests)
[14:32] <Elliria> Ah, nice. It sounds like it would safely update the latest kernel, then.
[14:32] <Elliria> Oh, boy. It's the "likely not" part of what you wrote that worries me. Where can I find out for sure?
[14:32] <solzin23> ow
[14:32] <solzin23> thanks
[14:33] <solzin23> mt bom
[14:33] <solzin23> isso
[14:33] <solzin23> aqui
[14:33] <Elliria> In the event that you can't boot into the latest kernel, but you can boot into the previous kernel, you'd want to be certain not to tamper with the previous kernel.
[14:34] <ogra> Elliria, well, by looking at the code (its just shell scripts)
[14:36] <ogra> Elliria, look at get_sorted_versions() in /usr/sbin/update-initramfs
[14:36] <ogra> ... in conjunction with set_highest_version()
[14:37] <bluf0x> ravage, ok il try that.  ph88, if you are referring to my issue then i never installed the new ubuntu yet, this error flashes once before live usb grub menu.
[14:38] <ravage> ph88: if the snap does not work contact the maintainer of that snap
[14:38] <ogra> snap info colorpie | grep contact
[14:39] <Elliria> Thank you, ogra! You've just opened up worlds for me. I didn't realize we could do that.
[14:59] <SteelRose> hi all! I have an issue... I executed a while-loop to check for an event and write a log file if it ocurred. Then my ssh connection got interrupted with a "broken pipe" error. When I logged back in, I still could see the  log file growing.
[15:00] <SteelRose> when I remove it, it gets recreated
[15:00] <SteelRose> lsof shows nothing
[15:00] <SteelRose> ps aux shows nothing relataed to the log file
[15:00] <SteelRose> I have already chmod 444 and chmod 000 the file... still it keeps growing...
[15:00] <SteelRose> ideas? Thanks
[15:01] <centHOGG> reboot
[15:01] <SteelRose> cannot
[15:02] <Elliria> If you know the process name that's running that loop, you could use pkill to kill it by name.
[15:03] <SteelRose> it was a one-liner to run "ls -lc /directory 2> error.log"
[15:03] <SteelRose> ps aux | grep ls returns nothing
[15:10] <dumbledoor> in gnome, ctrl + alt + tab puts the focus on the top bar
[15:11] <dumbledoor> what is the simplest way of getting the focus back on the application
[15:11] <dumbledoor> ctrl + alt + tab + tab is the only one i know and it feels cumbersom
[15:12] <dumbledoor> do i have to setup a keybinding or am i just doing it wrong
[15:19] <Elliria> SteelRose: Does ps aux | grep bash turn up anything useful?
[15:41] <ph88> ravage, i don't want to use the snap
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> ph88: use another colour picker for ubuntu?
[15:46] <ph88> lotuspsychje, do you have any recommendations ?
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> !info pick | ph88
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> ph88: kcolorchooser, gpick
[15:53] <ph88> thx
[15:55] <ogra> ph88, any particular reason to not use the snap ? (since it works fine for everyone)
[15:55] <ph88> lotuspsychje, i try both recommendations ... they are unable to sample the color under the mousepointer
[15:56] <ph88> ogra, just want to make sure things work without snap
[15:56] <ogra> heh ... so politics ... k
[15:57] <blackdrag0n> guess i'm not the only one that can't stand snap heh
[15:58]  * ogra never gets why ... but this isnt the channel to discuss this ...
[15:58] <blackdrag0n> sure it is but whatever
[15:59] <ogra> no, this channel is for technical support ... discussions go to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:59] <blackdrag0n> ive needed nothing but technical support because of snap so
[16:00] <zniavre> gcolor does the trick no ?
[16:01] <ogra> blackdrag0n, well, ask your tech support snap question then ... this is fine ... we just dont want "why i dont like snaps", "why rpms suck", "red is redder than green"  discussions in here
[16:02] <lxcang> I heard snap
[16:02] <lxcang> Does anyone know how to get snap working within different netns?
[16:03] <blackdrag0n> how it keeps reinstalling firefox snap even after i have removed it
[16:03] <ogra> lxcang, ask in forum.snapcraft.io
[16:03] <ogra> blackdrag0n, well, firefox is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop ...
[16:03] <blackdrag0n> not on my system its not
[16:04] <blackdrag0n> and when i use systemctl to stop the service it breaks the package manager
[16:04] <blackdrag0n> did canonical go the way of windows 10?
[16:05] <ogra> blackdrag0n, please take this elsewhere
[16:05] <ogra> (told you above where ... )
[16:05] <blackdrag0n> what you don't do technical support anymore?
[16:05] <ogra> geez ...
[16:06] <blackdrag0n> was hoping to fix the issues with the package manager
[16:06] <ogra> feel free to come over to #ubuntu-discuss ...
[16:06] <ogra> no, you are after ranting obviously
[16:06] <blackdrag0n> no i want to fix the package manager
[16:07] <blackdrag0n> don't care about any rant seriously
[16:07] <ogra> there are a plethora of "how to remnove snap support from ubuntu" posts out there ... use one of them ...
[16:08] <ogra> (not that this is a very future-proof decision indeed)
[16:08] <blackdrag0n> i have it broke the package manager that's why i've been reluctant to stop the service with systemctl
[16:08] <ogra> sudo apt purge snapd
[16:08] <ogra> removes snapd and all snaps alongside ...
[16:09] <blackdrag0n> don't that
[16:09] <ogra> but you need some extra hackery to avoid it being pulled back in from the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[16:09] <ogra> sincce we consider it an essential part of the desktop
[16:09] <blackdrag0n> seems the package kit is integrated to the servcice
[16:09] <blackdrag0n> ok now were talkin
[16:12] <blackdrag0n> i pulled the snapd how would avoid it being pulled in from the metapackage?
[16:13] <ogra> you create an apt config that blocks it
[16:14] <ogra> (most of the above mentioned blog posts should have details about it ... )
[16:14] <blackdrag0n> okie dokie sanks fur reals
[16:15] <ogra> (something in /etc/apt/preferences.d or so ...)
[16:16] <ogra> just dont forget to remove that stuff for your next release-to-release upgrade, things might fall apart otherwise
[16:16] <blackdrag0n> you mean like a full release?
[16:17] <ogra> yes
[16:17] <blackdrag0n> so backup the file upgrade then i have to remove it all over again?
[16:19] <ogra> probably ... i.e. in 23.10 unattended secure-boot and fulld-disk-encryption rely on a snapped kernel ... i'd expect that to be the caase for 24.04 too ... so if you move from 22.04 to 24.04 later on it might cause some havoc to not have snap support
[16:20] <blackdrag0n> its being writ into the kernel?
[16:20] <ogra> no, the kernel is a snap
[16:21] <blackdrag0n> is that canonical or kernel.org?
[16:21] <ogra> ubuntu ...
[16:22] <blackdrag0n> ewwww
[16:23] <os3> Hola
[16:24] <ogra> blackdrag0n, if you want more info https://ubuntu.com/blog/tpm-backed-full-disk-encryption-is-coming-to-ubuntu
[16:28] <blackdrag0n> TPM-backed Full Disk Encryption is a good choice though
[16:29] <ogra> yes
[16:37] <webchat20> I really really need help I've been up all night trying to figure this out and I feel like I'm losing my mind
[16:38] <webchat20> I'm trying to set up dual boot on my desktop gaming pc but it will never fin the partition that has been made for Ubuntu to reside on
[16:40] <webchat20> I have set up dual boot on my lap top several time just this week alone trying out different sistros and flavors and had no problems
[16:41] <webchat20> But I'm at a total loss. I have a one. Terabyte partition made specifically to hold Linux and ubuntu won't see it no matter what I do I cannot get it to recognize the fact that there is a one air bite partition on my computer windows can see it just fine, like no problem at all. But if wonder cannot see it.
[16:44] <webchat20> Please I've looked everywhere consulted a.i. even bugged a friend while he was at work nothing seems to work
[16:45] <webchat20> Anyone? Please?
[16:45] <johnfg> hi folks
[16:46] <johnfg> I don't have root at present with their own password, but do sudo -i with my own password.
[16:47] <johnfg> This however, doesn't work if I want to scp<EMAIL_ADDRESS> I.e.,it doesn't take that standard user's password for sudo.
[16:47] <johnfg> Can this be fixed without giving root their own password?
[16:47] <webchat20> We may just all need help in this room johnfg nobody has responded to my pleas for help
[16:47] <JanC> webchat20: what do you mean by "ubuntu won't see it no matter what"?
[16:48] <johnfg> webchat20: What's up?
[16:48] <webchat20> 1tb hard drive partition  of an original drive that was 5tb
[16:49] <webchat20> Given the label W and mounted and optimized
[16:50] <JanC> johnfg: you need the password for root on another.ubuntu.machine for that (but it seems like a really bad idea to do/enable ssh as root)
[16:50] <webchat20> Boot Ubuntu instalation media it comes back and say the only drive there is 4.5Tb and it's partitions do not start on physical sector boundary and and lists 3 partions
[16:52] <JanC> webchat20: but what does Ubuntu see then? what did you try to check if Ubuntu sees it?
[16:53] <lxcang> orga: I thought this channel is for everything in Ubuntu
[16:54] <webchat20> I only made one partition to my 5tb drive not 3 and none of the I've tried: sudo parted -l, lsblk,  dsudo frisk -l, suddenly lsblk -o Name,fstype,size,mountpoint,  partx, part probe,
[16:56] <webchat20> sudo fdisk -l  sorry my keyboard on my phone doesn't understand what I'm typing
[16:56] <Linux^> can I not just show the htop  interface in my dashboard to check my system uses?
[16:56] <JanC> but what does e.g. parted or fdisk show for that drive then?
[16:56] <Linux^> cpu, ram etc uses
[16:56] <webchat20> Windows can see all the drives fine
[16:57] <webchat20> Just a 4.5 Tb drive no 1tb partition at all
[16:57] <JanC> maybe you are using some Windows full disk encryption or so?
[16:57] <webchat20> And 2 other partitions, one that's 1 MB and 1. That's a 127 MB. But I  never made those partitions
[16:58] <webchat20> I fully formatted the partition. I gave it a brand new drive name. I took it over to disk defragmentary optimizer. And I optimized it like it's a brand new volume.
[16:58] <JanC> might be EFI boot partition
[16:58] <JanC> you shouldn't format the partition in Windows
[17:00] <JanC> maybe just remove that partition in Windows so that there is an empty space on the disk? or at least leave the partition unformatted?
[17:01] <webchat20> Which is weird because my operating system of windows is on an M dot 2N VME hard drive. Well, I was gonna format the partition in the ubuntu loader. But every single hard drive that I selected no matter which hard drive I selected if I selected the option for partition table. Said every single partition on this drive will be erased, including boot
[17:01] <webchat20> loaders.  I was like not II totally don't understand how uh. Uh, uh, uh, boon too wants me to use this partition loader. If it's just gonna delete everything, including my boot manager's just for trying to make one little partition. You know, I've been. I've been at this for like 12 hours now. I didn't even
[17:02] <webchat20> sleep last night.
[17:03] <webchat20> Sorry about my voice typing errors and the fbomb my phone is full blown tarded
[17:03] <JanC> maybe that's the problem: you're too tired now  :)
[17:04] <webchat20> Oh I'm exhausted but the computer is my not only my most prized posession but quite literally my only posession. 😅
[17:04] <webchat20> This computer
[17:16] <johnfg> so, if I wanted to scp a file with root permission from a machine which is set up similarly, with root being available via sudo -, is it possible?
[17:16] <JanC> why do you want to do that as root?
[17:16] <webchat20> Sorry I had someone at the door for my solar panels
[17:17] <johnfg> I don't want to, but the file is owned by root.  I can copy it elsewhere and get it done, but now am wondering about whether I can do it this other way or not.
[17:21] <JanC> you can ssh as root, but it is disabled by default for security reasons
[17:22] <JanC> (scp is part of & uses ssh)
[17:22] <johnfg> JanC: I got the file, just a couple extra steps, but I guess more secure that way.  Thanks JanC .
[17:25] <Guest76> so whts most likely to stop linux from seing a partion? all the demos i saw online innvolved the user shrinking the vvolume in windows and applyng a new partition. i didn't see a single video where they used the tool offered by ubuntu and after my intracction with it i undestand why that is. this is webchat20 joining back on my laptop instead of
[17:25] <Guest76> phone
[17:26] <Guest76> johnfg i don't know if this helps you, but you can always use sudo -s and you will be root until you end the session
[17:27] <JanC> you still haven't shown us what partitions linux sees or doesn't see...
[17:28] <JanC> (and how that compares to what Windows sees)
[17:28] <Guest76> now that im on my laptop can i uploadimaages to this chat?
[17:29] <JanC> you can upload images to imgur.com or similar sites
[17:29] <JanC> and give us a link to them
[17:31] <Guest76> ok working on it now
[17:36] <Guest76> ill share a link to a google drive folder
[17:48] <Guest76> this laptop is so slow even with linux on it. its 15 years old
[17:53] <Guest76> google drive folder almost ready
[17:53] <Guest76> even typing goes in slow motion on this thing
[17:54] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dVw1bUwpbnPjRGnyHYLl-EvXlFPCqst0?usp=sharing
[18:07] <Guest76> i posted the folder so you can see all i have tried just in the past little while
[18:14] <HASINSTALTARDATI> The reason so I removed the partition the Ubuntu installer could not find. I'm back in the custom install environment ready for someone to walk my through how exactly I portion with this software without deleteting everything including windows bootloader.
[18:26] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dVw1bUwpbnPjRGnyHYLl-EvXlFPCqst0?usp=sharing
[18:26] <Installtarded> thats me posting those images again
[18:28] <Installtarded> Does anybody have any advice like how are you supposed to partition one of these hard drives without deleting everything on the hard drive that that's hardly helpful. I don't understand why they would make it that way like you can't just delete like some of a drive just like just maybe half of a hard drive and use that to put ubuntu on and leave
[18:28] <Installtarded> the rest.  I'm happy to use the partition tool but every single thing I click on says it's going to delete everything that I have.
[18:32] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/13eeUrxGfvA5IkTKk-L74OcMzqzZ6_c9B/view?usp=sharing
[18:32] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OxpplZmbOvq6DGv80KIaixTOHIGl1Ybm/view?usp=sharing
[18:33] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12aRFzs-h4_qeRi8JosRBdHHldKNzJLWA/view?usp=sharing
[18:33] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bZbjp1GhGCmnJS_t71ONsE9fOuF6KDCy/view?usp=sharing
[18:34] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Ad15id_O8lYowmHPHQs9XZ2mVvlx9SC/view?usp=sharing
[18:34] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A1UXaLoW6G2fw9B4y6Yw2HSMoxAI0dgt/view?usp=sharing
[18:35] <Guest76> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1exU2fqatMIu4tTe-L_JTQp1d3ih0DfT2/view?usp=sharing
[18:44] <Installtarded> Anyone?
[18:45] <JanC> you used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Disk_Manager to partition that disk in Windows; do you really need that?
[18:46] <JanC> is there anything from Windows on that disk, or anything that you use in Windows?
[18:46] <Guest76> i have been trying to saythatevery time i try to use the one built in to ubuntu installer it warns me thatit will delete every single partition on the disk?! what other choice did i have
[18:48] <Guest76> every  hard drive on my computer haseiiher giant libraries of books and udemy courses, priceless photos. game libraries etc. but i could get away with sparing 1tb for the ubuntu OS ater shufflin a lt of stuff around and backing abunch to the cloud
[18:49] <Guest76> all said ive got like 16 tb offiles but not enough online storage for it all
[18:49] <Guest76> of files
[18:50] <Guest76> hell one hard drive has my mp3 library with 87,575 different artists in it. yeah i have a pproblem
[18:56] <JanC> you might be able to make a 1 TiB partition on that disk with either Windows or 'ldmtool', but I don't think the installer supports that by default?
[18:57] <JanC> that = LDM
[18:57] <Installtarded> It honestly sounds like the only good option is to wait till payday, buy a new hard drive and use that to install Ubuntu on.
[18:57] <JanC> it would certainly be *easier*  :)
[18:59] <Installtarded> I just don't understand why is was so easy to dual boot on this old lenovo laptop I got from a friend, but my multi thousand dollar desktop gaming pc is the one that has the issue
[18:59] <JanC> the issue is with the way how that disk is formatted
[19:00] <Installtarded> See that's what's weird on the laptop ubuntu formated and portioned it for me but It didn't delete EVERYTHING like it's threatening to do now
[19:01] <JanC> and it might be possible even, just complicated (the reverse, installing Windows on top of LVM2 would be impossible, I think)
[19:01] <Installtarded> And it doesn't matter what hard drive. I select in the installer out of the 6 hard drives that I have. It threatens to delete the entire thing on every single one of them.
[19:02] <Installtarded> I'm trying to see if I can play some file majang. And i'd like figure out a way to get one empty hard drive and then just use that. But I don't know how it's gonna go.
[19:02] <JanC> try making free space on a disk that doesn't have LDM  :)
[19:04] <Installtarded> What's LDM
[19:04] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Disk_Manager
[19:05] <JanC> it's similar to LVM in linux
[19:07] <Installtarded> Okay, I'm not gonna lie, like reading that, it's like. Oh, that sounds really cool, but 100% that is a feature that nobody asked for has to be....like anyone would much rather have multiple hard drives and organize things themself. Then like have multiple hard drives and tell them all to pretend to be the same drive. That nobody asked for that
[19:07] <Installtarded> right? I mean if you wanted to have multiple hard drives all pretending to be the same drive. That's what raid is.
[19:08] <JanC> it includes support for software RAID indeed
[19:10] <Installtarded> I had no idea anything like that was installed on my drive at all. Definitely was not intentional. Did my drive come like that? Or was it something that I did?
[19:11] <JanC> I have no idea
[19:11] <JanC> it's possible Windows uses it by default now (just like some linux distros use LVM by default or as an option)
[19:14] <Installtarded> This is my first time getting back into Linux since probably like 2008. When I was like in the Marine Corps. But my radar systems were redhat. Those were the days man is compizconfig-settings-manager still a thing? Because that would be really cool. To use again. I used to have so much fun on that with my vaio laptop. BtW😡🤬😤 about Red Hat
[19:14] <Installtarded> choosing to go closed source. How will Fedora survive?
[19:15] <JanC> that you have to ask people who use Fedora, I guess
[19:15] <JanC> (not here)
[19:15] <Installtarded> Haha lol
[19:16] <JanC> and compizconfig-settings-manager still exists
[19:17] <JanC> but the default Ubuntu Desktop no longer uses Compiz
[19:17] <Installtarded> Linus Torvald would not be pleased. Linux by definition has always held the core tenant of being open source and designed for collaboration  and Red Hart is as far upstream as it gets for a few distros
[19:17] <Eickmeyer> !ot
[19:18] <Installtarded> Ok my bad gosh
[19:19] <Installtarded> So what do you need for setting manager? She'll extensions?
[19:19] <Installtarded> Shell
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu MATE is probably best suited for using Compiz.
[19:19] <Eickmeyer> It's an official flavor of Ubuntu.
[19:20] <Installtarded> That's so funny that you say that. Because I was literally torn between mate and unity. And I ended up choosing unity just because I think it's what I used back in the day but I thought unity was also an official flavor now
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Unity is, but they're slowly moving away from Compiz.
[19:20] <Installtarded> Dang, what I wonder why that is? I wish that the compass was great like super great
[19:21] <Installtarded> Sorry, I'm using voice typing. And there are certain words that my phone will literally go out of its way to get wrong.
[19:21] <JanC> I'm not sure Compiz is very actively developed still
[19:21] <Installtarded> I mean, doesn't that make it difficult for compass developers? Because, like retirement develop looking update comes out like it. Kind of like breaks the stuff that they've been developing more and they have to like. Keep on changing it, do it, make it work.
[19:22] <Installtarded> Compiz
[19:22] <Installtarded> Keeps autocorrecting to compass
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> Compiz developers are volunteers, and they'd have to actually do the work on it. If they're even doing anything, it's done for free, so it's not like they're obligated to do anything.
[19:26] <Installtarded> I've always thought that ubuntu just really had the best feel to it, like a nice new car with leather interior but easy to work on I stead of overcomplicated and weird. Like having A lexus a really, really nice Lexus instead of an Audi.
[19:28] <Installtarded> Well I appreciate the "college try" but some battles can't be won, and I don't want to risk bricking this system or losing any data. So with my luck as I command my file in their elegant dance of musical chairs.
[19:34] <Installtarded> Eickmeyer I just started up school again and I decided to go with programming.  Buuut right now I'm only in week two of intro to javascript. Thanks for
[19:34] <Installtarded> relying to help everyone! And for the kmowlegde!
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> Installtarded: You're welcome, and I hope you find what you're looking for. There are several ways to experience Ubuntu, and I hope you find what works best for you. As one of our Community Council members, Nathan Haines says, "We make Ubuntu just for you."
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> !flavors
[19:36] <bprompt> Installtarded: just so you know, there's a #javascript channel :), that is frontend webdev, as opposed to script for Java
[20:11] <dirtwash> im having a big issue on all my 22.04 machines : installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 32 , shim-signed, this seems to be common problem? sadly all posted solutioons I found dont work, any suggestions?
[20:11] <dirtwash> tried apt-mark hold grub-efi-amd64-signed and apt -f isntall but nothing works
[20:12] <dirtwash> shim-signed depends on grub-efi-amd64-signed (>= 1.187.2~) | grub-efi-arm64-signed (>= 1.187.2~);
[20:27] <WaV> dirtwash: The two grub packages you posted appear to be for 2 different system architectures.
[20:27] <WaV> nvm disregard. I read wrong
[21:14] <steerpike> hi, are there any full dvd iso's for 22.04?
[21:14] <steerpike> i have an airgapped host that i need to install packages on
[21:15] <steerpike> or are some packages only available from a repo?
[21:19] <WaV> Typically the iso available on Ubuntu's website is the full ISO unless you download a minimal iso which Im not even sure is available anymore in more modern versions.
[21:20] <andrea_> Hi what is this?
[21:34] <echelon> WaV: i just downloaded the 4.7gb ubuntu-22.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:35] <echelon> and it doesn't contain the package i'm looking for
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> https://packages.ubuntu.com
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> Grab the package you need, put it on a usb drive, transfer to the computer that's airgapped, and install it locally.
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> (grab dependencies too, those are listed there)
[21:37] <WaV> ^ this
[21:42] <michel-slm> is anyone using the Firefox PPA on 23.10 and noticing font rendering looks weird?
[21:43] <michel-slm> I use it for Element web, and especially if I override the font to use Fira Code Retina, the rendering is... really off, compared to using Element Desktop with the same font
[21:47] <michel-slm> seems like it ... does not see the font at all (if I try setting the font to a non-existent one it looks identical)


[00:00] <blahdeblah> head_v, head_victim: You around?
[00:03] <blahdeblah> cafuego: Still never got to meet you in person at LCA - will you be around today?
[00:04] <dns53> i'm heading off now, probably be there in an hour or two
[00:07] <head_v> Yes at the ubuntu stand now
[00:17] <blahdeblah> head_v: My family has a couple of other plans for me today, but we will be there at some point.  Sorry i can't be more specific than that.
[00:17] <blahdeblah> head_v: Anything particular you need help with?
[00:21] <ikt> head!
[00:21] <ikt> got live stream?
[00:55] <head_v> No live feed here paul just whenever you can is find
[01:29] <blahdeblah> Does anyone know what the tool is to reset your GNOME panel and menus to the defaults, but not lose any of your application preferences?
[04:21] <sagaci> Hey
[04:22] <dns53> hey
[04:33] <ikt> :<
[04:35] <dns53> what are you up to?
[04:35] <dns53> i'm at the linux.conf.au open day with a few of the regulars
[04:50] <ikt> I'm sitting at home
[04:50] <ikt> bored and confused
[04:50] <ikt> bored and distracted!
[04:51] <ikt> I has add, I move from 1 topic to the next every like 10 minutes and then the day is over :/
[05:00] <ikt> hey head_v how r u?
[05:00]  * dns53 pokes head_v
[05:20] <orly_go> What command will securely erase an entire directory?
[05:22] <nisshh> orly_go, to erase an entire directory use: rm -r
[05:22] <nisshh> sorry: rm -r dir_name
[05:22] <orly_go> securely
[05:22] <nisshh> rm doesnt do what shred does
[05:22] <nisshh> but shred doesnt work on dirs
[05:22] <nisshh> only files
[05:23] <orly_go> I know.
[05:23] <nisshh> if you shred the files inside a dir
[05:23] <nisshh> then delete the dir, there will be no data
[05:23] <nisshh> so use shred on the files
[05:23] <nisshh> then cd out a level
[05:23] <nisshh> and use rm -r
[05:23] <nisshh> or just rmdir
[05:24] <nisshh> rm -r i use when removing a non-empty dir
[05:24] <nisshh> otherwise i use rmdir
[05:24] <nisshh> orly_go, why do you want to do it "securely" anyway?
[05:25] <orly_go> for privacy reasons?
[05:25] <nisshh> so your not the only one with access to the drive?
[05:25] <orly_go> yup
[05:25] <nisshh> ok, but most users wont have a clue how to bring back deleted files
[05:26] <nisshh> so you shouldnt have to worry
[05:26] <orly_go> true
[05:26] <orly_go> i think ill use a live cd from now on anyay
[05:26] <orly_go> anyway
[05:26] <nisshh> in my experience, drives shouldnt be shared anyway
[05:26] <nisshh> massive security issue
[05:27] <nisshh> yes, anyway
[05:27] <nisshh> you could either use shred, or just use decent drive encryption
[05:27] <nisshh> orly_go, ^^
[05:28] <orly_go> indeed
[05:28] <orly_go> just semi-surprised that there is no command to erase a dir
[05:29] <nisshh> not true
[05:29] <nisshh> its possible to delete dirs
[05:29] <nisshh> but not use shred on them
[05:29] <nisshh> shred is purely for files, although there is not much value in a bunch of empty dirs being recovered anyway
[05:29] <orly_go> *secure erase a dir
[05:29] <orly_go> mhm
[05:29] <nisshh> so there is really no need to have a shred for dirs
[05:30] <orly_go> unless the dir has files in it
[05:30] <nisshh> so shred the files in the dir
[05:30] <orly_go> k
[05:31] <nisshh> im pretty sure even shred is not a surefire way to "securely" remove data
[05:31] <nisshh> scientists would be able to get it back probably
[05:31] <orly_go> we can always see if it blends
[05:31] <nisshh> like they do with laptops with bullet holes in them :)
[05:31] <nisshh> blends?
[05:32] <nisshh> orly_go, blends?
[05:33] <orly_go> Will It Blend? is a viral marketing campaign consisting of a series of infomercials demonstrating the Blendtec line of blenders,  https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Will_It_Blend%3F
[05:33] <nisshh> uh, ok
[07:36] <head_victim> Home at last
[07:38] <blahdeblah> head_victim: \o/
[07:38] <blahdeblah> Me too
[07:39] <blahdeblah> Just got back from taking a load of computers in for the flood relief folks
[07:39] <head_victim> Yay. It was very goo to see that we had the Ubuntu Release manager and one of the heads of the kernel dev team at our stand!
[07:39] <head_victim> It's a bit fanboy-ish but I still think that was pretty great
[07:40] <blahdeblah> Indeed!
[07:40] <dns-xo> they are just people, and in open source they will help you out if they can
[07:41] <head_victim> I know they're just people but I'm sure they were still on their own time
[07:57] <blahdeblah> What's up with http://www.ubuntu.org.au/ ?  Can anyone else get to it?
[07:57] <blahdeblah> I get DNS server errors.
[08:00] <Phlosten> still borked for me too
[08:04] <Phlosten> head_victim, just to confirm something for you, Linux Australia is registrant for ubuntu.org.au, Solutions First is the registrant for ubuntu.com.au
[08:06] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, it looks to me that ubuntu.org.au and ubuntu.com.au have been dropped from the delegated nameservers
[08:06] <blahdeblah> Phlosten: perhaps it expired
[08:07] <blahdeblah> Unfortunate day for it - when we finally got to hand out lots of cards with the address.
[08:09] <Phlosten> anyone know who is the loco contact at ubuntuwire.com?
[08:10] <Phlosten> looks like there is an #ubuntuwire channel
[08:22] <Phlosten> blahdeblah, its back, thanks to wgrant
[08:22] <blahdeblah> thanks wgrant
[08:22] <blahdeblah> what happened?
[08:22] <Phlosten> bind had died
[08:23] <blahdeblah> :-\
[08:24] <wgrant> I don't recall why we switched to those nameservers. I recall that Canonical stopped serving them randomly, though :/
[08:26] <wgrant> Stopped serving the two domains, that is.
[08:33] <wgrant> Phlosten: Unfortunately the two domains are held by various people. The password that I have for one no longer works, and I never had a password for the other one.
[08:37] <head_victim> Phlosten & wgrant & others, thanks for fixing that.
[08:38] <Phlosten> wgrant, but you can fix from nameserver onwards?
[08:40] <wgrant> Phlosten: I have access to the nameservers, and Canonical controls everything down from there.
[08:41] <wgrant> Oh good, I still have Drupal admin access.
[08:41] <Phlosten> wgrant, ok cool, handy who to know who fixes what
[08:42] <wgrant> It would be nice if we could convince Canonical to do DNS for ubuntu.(com|org).au.
[08:42] <wgrant> I remember what happened now.
[08:42] <wgrant> DNS/websites/mail used to be hosted on a Canonical-provided ServerPronto server shared by a few LoCo teams.
[08:43] <wgrant> Then that got compromised, so they moved websites/mail to the DC.
[08:43] <wgrant> But not DNS.
[08:43] <wgrant> So I quickly threw DNS on UW and contacted the domain owners to redelegate.
[08:44] <Phlosten> I remember there being a move there somewhere
[08:53] <Fudge> ello guys
[08:56] <Phlosten> howdy Fudge
[08:58] <Fudge> ello
[08:58] <Fudge> got a 2tb drive today
[08:58] <Phlosten> internal drive, or external?
[08:58] <Fudge> normally id be pretty happy but its coz i broke my partition on another drive
[09:00] <Fudge> internal 3gb sata
[09:00] <Fudge> the 6gbs i noticed with 64cache too but wow theyd be fast
[09:00] <Fudge> i dont get how they claim a drive to be up to 3gb transfer when i copy stuff i only ever see like 25mbs
[09:03] <wgrant> SATA2 is 3Gbps.
[09:04] <wgrant> The bus can handle 3Gbps, but the physical drive is far, far slower.
[09:04] <Fudge> yes indeed
[09:04] <wgrant> You're probably seeing ~25MB/s, which is 200Mb/s.
[09:10] <blahdeblah> wgrant, Fudge: I would be very surprised to see any new internal drive SATA 3 Gbps drive offer less than 75 MB/s in bursts.
[09:11] <Fudge> oh ok mate, thanks for that
[09:11] <blahdeblah> Fudge: what does hdparm -tT /dev/sd? give as output?
[09:12] <wgrant> blahdeblah: WD Greens can be pretty slow.
[09:13] <wgrant> But yes, 25MB/s is still rather low.
[09:13] <blahdeblah> My nearly-2-year-old 500 GB SATA drives in my server (one of which i believe is a WD Green): http://ubuntu-au.pastebin.com/HnCZk6V5
[09:14] <blahdeblah> (Server is running Debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, Athlon 64 X2 5000+ CPU)
[09:14] <wgrant> Huh.
[09:14] <wgrant> Far better than I've ever got from mine.
[09:15] <blahdeblah> don't quote me - can't tell from the model number
[09:15] <wgrant> I get 75MB/s from my new 1TB Green.
[09:15] <wgrant> My older one is quite a bit less.
[09:18] <wgrant> Er, 2TB.
[09:19] <Phlosten> cool, still admin on the website "Member for 4 years 39 weeks"
[09:20] <Phlosten> has it really be that long? sheesh
[09:21] <wgrant> I remember making that theme... those were the days.
[09:21] <wgrant> Member for
[09:21] <wgrant> 4 years 44 weeks
[09:23] <Fudge>  Timing cached reads:   3440 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1720.45 MB/sec
[09:23] <Fudge>  Timing buffered disk reads:  368 MB in  3.01 seconds = 122.27 MB/sec
[09:23] <Fudge> which one do u go by?
[09:24] <Fudge> i have the 1.5tb results too if you wish me to paste
[09:24] <wgrant> The latter.
[09:25] <Phlosten> getting 68MB/sec on this laptop, not bad
[09:29] <Fudge> 96.03
[09:39] <Fudge> indeed
[11:33] <quail> nisshh or any web site admin, can you delete my account on ubuntu.org.au please
[11:37] <ikt> :(
[11:40] <ikt> speaking of the website, is wordpress viable or do we have to stick to drupal?
[11:41] <head_victim> I believe drupal is the ubuntu preferred option.
[11:42] <ikt> i have no idea why people like it
[11:42] <ikt> it always looked quite eh compared to wordpress cms
[11:43] <head_victim> The theme itself needs an update, I believe some people are looking into the viability of this.
[11:45] <ikt> I was looking around at other ubuntu loco team website
[11:45] <ikt> s
[11:45] <ikt> honestly it's very barren, ours doesn't stand out in that regard
[11:47] <head_victim> Feel free to help out :D I don't know the entire process but I think there's set plugins you can install or something. I'm not really a website kinda person if you couldn't tell so I'm not sure of all the details. But if you're wanting to help...........
[11:51] <ikt> I'm probably not the guy, they don't like change
[11:52] <ikt> I would start mucking around, making the website more pointed?
[11:52] <quail> you can help out first removing my account ;-)
[11:53] <quail> not allowing users the option to delete there account is not good
[11:57] <ikt> :D
[11:58] <ikt> I'll go hack the gibson :P
[11:59] <quail> hacking the gibson might be faster than to getting my account deleted. lol
[12:00] <head_victim> ikt: more pointed with content or layout or?
[12:00] <ikt> layout
[12:01] <ikt> the only content issue is that we need more of it :P
[12:01] <head_victim> Yeah that's ok, just making sure I'm understanding :)
[12:03] <head_victim> quail: will look into the deletion thing for you
[12:03] <quail> head_victim: thanks
[12:03] <head_victim> I think the layout thing the first thing we should look at is the upgrade to the new branded theme
[12:04] <quail> I think vk7 want to delete his account too
[12:04] <head_victim> Because that will bring it from the old branding to the new and integrate better
[12:06] <quail> head_victim: my account is 'Quail'
[12:06] <head_victim> No worries, I make no promises as website stuff is very new to me but I'll make sure it does get looked at
[12:07] <head_victim> Wiki's I can help you with :) Websites, I'm not so sure
[12:11] <ikt> especially I assume with the database on canonicals servers
[12:11] <ikt> they're not just gonna let you walk in on there
[12:12] <head_victim> ikt: yeah, I'm slowly starting to understand what is what.
[13:24] <ikt> i take it quail is now fully interested in debian?
[13:34] <dns53> he always was
[13:34] <dns53> but we don't care as debian is upstream
[23:27] <cafuego> The wd green needs 1) a firmware for under Linux and 2) proper boundary alignment on fdisk and mkfs, otherwise they'll be awful slow.
[23:30] <nisshh> cafuego, hah, lucky i got a WD black then L(
[23:31] <nisshh> :)
[23:32] <cafuego> heh - i get the greens usually. low power use = less heat
[23:32] <cafuego> I just fix 'em before I use 'em :-)
[23:33] <cafuego> need to go and get one, a disk in mythtv has died whilst I was at LCA
[23:35] <nisshh> cafuego, if its an internal your getting i highly recommend getting a WD caviar black, i get excellent read/write speeds on mine (for a non-SSD anyway)
[23:35] <nisshh> and it doesnt use a lot of power either
[23:35] <nisshh> i have so much running off this one 220w PSU its rediculous
[23:36] <cafuego> nisshh: meh, the other 5 greens I have *really* work just fine and aren't slow :-)
[23:36] <nisshh> cafuego, what kind of read/write speeds do you get though?
[23:36] <nisshh> cafuego, the other thing is, i find that the blacks are cheaper than the greens to buy
[23:38] <cafuego> nisshh: Not so much here, a giant $6 difference
[23:38] <nisshh> cafuego, ah right, over here its more like $35
[23:39] <nisshh> although greens still arent that expensive
[23:39] <cafuego> Just under $110 here
[23:39] <nisshh> yeah
[23:39] <nisshh> blacks are $95 here, greens are $35 more
[23:39] <cafuego> both they and the black would be limited by the IO speed my mobos (old!) can manage for sata.
[23:39] <nisshh> ah right
[23:40] <nisshh> i have a somewhat decent mobo for an old comp
[23:40] <nisshh> it had the best sata you could get back in 2004
[23:40] <nisshh> has*
[23:40] <cafuego> my desktop's a shocker
[23:40] <cafuego> transferring from usb to a network device just locks it for ages whilst copying
[23:41] <cafuego> I get a sustained write speed of around 35MB/sec on here
[23:41] <nisshh> heh, yeah, transferring from an internal IDE to a USB SATA or normal USB stick is slow as hell with mine
[23:41] <cafuego> read, as determined by hdparm,. is in the vicinity of 95MB/s
[23:41] <nisshh> thats not bad
[23:42] <nisshh> i can sustain about 48MB/s here
[23:42] <nisshh> hdparm for me says
[23:42] <cafuego> nisshh: especially not bad compared to the 12 I used to get on the sw raid5 that was composed of 9×80G pata disks :-)
[23:42] <nisshh> heh
[23:43] <nisshh> IDE/PATA is slow :)
[23:43] <cafuego> raid5 is slower
[23:43] <cafuego> combine the both and you have woes
[23:43] <nisshh> yeah