[05:13] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : what's your cpu ?
[05:14] <keknehv> Me?
[05:14] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913
[05:14] <keknehv> oh... So how should I go about installing the drivers?
[05:14] <Kal_Zakath> keknehv : never had nvidia cards, so I can't really help
[05:15] <keknehv> ok... I guess I'll have to go BACK to that ... BinaryDriverHowTo page...
[05:15] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: my cpu is an intel p3
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : I got my cpu scaling working fine
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> on a centrino
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> but I had to recompile my own custom kernel
[05:16] <shad0w913> well the cpu monitor applet says my cpu is operating at<PHONE_NUMBER>ghz
[05:16] <matt__> anyone know how I install SMB support?
[05:16] <shad0w913> and at -124235123512%
[05:17] <matt__> the networking tab tells me it's not installed
[05:17] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : it was the same for me with out-of-the-box install
[05:17] <aitrus> shad0w913: i have that same problem (on an older laptop)
[05:17] <Kal_Zakath> with a recompiled kernel it works fine
[05:17] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: any tutorials on how to recompile the kernel? and what settings should I change during the recompile?
[05:18] <mjr> matt__, you need samba
[05:18] <matt__> i tried compiling and installing samba, but no go
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : if you never did that before it's a bit complicated
[05:18] <shad0w913> uhoh, lol
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> there are a lot of howto about kernel compil
[05:18] <mjr> matt__, umm, why compile? Install the Ubuntu package
[05:18] <shad0w913> well if there's a tutorial, i can probably figure it out ;)
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> mjr : are you kiding ?
[05:19] <ketsugi> Hi, I have a question about the Ubuntu installer's partitioning system... if I want to install to an existing NTFS HDD and repartition without losing any data on the existing partition, can it do that?
[05:19] <matt__> yeah, i tried that first :) but i'll try again
[05:19] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: why would he be?
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[05:19] <ketsugi> I assume that the Ubuntu partition utility uses the ntfs-resize thing, but I thought I'd check before I try it
[05:19] <daniels> i suggest not recompiling your kernel
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> mjr : sorry
[05:19] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: do i need to change any settings or anything, or will recompiling fix my prob?
[05:19] <daniels> if your cpufreq display is wrong, that's not fantastic, but seriously
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> I didnt firgured out what you was saying :)
[05:19] <daniels> it's not worth losing security support for your kernel, automatic updates, and all our fixes
[05:20] <matt__> uh-oh, now my synaptic list is empty
[05:20] <aitrus> daniels: do you know off-hand if someone bugzilla'd that issue?
[05:20] <beastmaster> LOOOOLLLLL
[05:21] <shad0w913> daniels: i don't really care if my cpu display is wrong but i want my cpu scaling to work, so my computer doesn't overheat and the battery doesn't drain in an hour
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> I always used patched vanilla kernels and will certainly always do like this
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> distro's stock kernels always sucks IMHO
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> whatever the distro is
[05:21] <ketsugi> um.
[05:21] <ketsugi> Hi, I have a question about the Ubuntu installer's partitioning system... if I want to install to an existing NTFS HDD and repartition without losing any data on the existing partition, can it do that?
[05:21] <daniels> aitrus: not really
[05:22] <matt__> is the stable debian distro down right now?
[05:22] <matt__> i can't load the pkg list
[05:22] <Kal_Zakath> matt__ : nope
[05:22] <Kal_Zakath> works fine
[05:22] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: well, there are professional people who have been doing this for years paid to do it, but sure
[05:22] <vortex25> Hey, anyone get helix player running?
[05:22] <shad0w913> so uh, what should i do?
[05:23] <daniels> shad0w913: file a bug in bugzilla
[05:23] <daniels> what sort of machine?
[05:23] <shad0w913> it's already there
[05:23] <mjr> ketsugi, yes; you need to manually spesify the partitions in that case
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> daniels, so how do you explain that everytime I use stock kernels, there are problems ? :
[05:23] <shad0w913> i said that at the very beginning
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> :)
[05:23] <shad0w913> and i wanted a work around
[05:23] <matt__> ok, now it works
[05:23] <shad0w913> i think they fixed it in hoary
[05:23] <mjr> ketsugi, just don't tell it to use the whole disk ;)
[05:23] <shad0w913> but i don't know how to upgrade to hoary
[05:23] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: you're right, I'm sorry
[05:23] <ketsugi> mjr: I need to resize the current partition
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> lol
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : don't
[05:23] <ketsugi> As, in right now I have a single 40gb partition
[05:24] <ketsugi> I want to resize it, and create a new partition with the extra space, without losing any data from the current partition
[05:24] <mjr> ketsugi, ohh, like that. No, you need to shrink the partition first
[05:24] <xf_> is there anything special needed to use universe packages apart from uncommenting relevant lines in apt sources.list and apt-get update?
[05:24] <ketsugi> Okay... how do I go about that?
[05:24] <Kal_Zakath> xf_ : nope
[05:24] <xf_> i can see asterisk, for example, in universe by searching in a web browser, but i can't see it when i apt-cache search for it
[05:24] <xf_> is this intentional, i.e. the packages isn't in the repo's Packages file?
[05:24] <mjr> ketsugi, Partition Magic seems to be the usual answer to that; I don't personally know
[05:24] <xf_> s/isn't/aren't/g
[05:25] <ketsugi> Parition Magic, unfortunately, requires money
[05:25] <jaap> this thing called prez, i believe, does the same thing
[05:25] <Kal_Zakath> xf_ : seems not normal
[05:25] <jaap> years ago i last tried, tho
[05:25] <ketsugi> I'm sure there's some way to do it using open-source/free software
[05:25] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: don't what?
[05:25] <jaap> i think prez is for Partition REsiZer
[05:25] <xf_> can anybody else try doing apt-cache search asterisk and see what they get?
[05:26] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : upgrade to hoary
[05:26] <xf_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/asterisk/
[05:26] <xf_> it's definitely there
[05:26] <bob2> xf_: no
[05:26] <mjr> ketsugi, NTFS isn't particularly well supported by any free software
[05:26] <daniels> shad0w913: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change 'warty' to 'hoary', run sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:26] <stuNNed> xf_,
[05:26] <bob2> it means it's in thepool
[05:26] <stuNNed> # apt-cache search asterisk
[05:26] <stuNNed> libiax-dev - An implementation of the Inter-Asterisk eXchange protocol (devel)
[05:26] <stuNNed> libiax0 - An implementation of the Inter-Asterisk eXchange protocol
[05:26] <xf_> also, some packages seem a bit out of date - openwebmail for example, only at 1.32 (And 1.41 is out now, i think)
[05:26] <bob2> it says nothing aboutwheather it's in some random version of ubuntu
[05:26] <bob2> xf_: oh, come on
[05:26] <xf_> stuNNed: same as what i get.  why isn't it showing up, it's definitely there in the pool
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: universe was frozen in june
[05:27] <JeffreyB> Has anyone had success upgrading Warty to Sid?
[05:27] <ubuntu-nubiee> anybody out there willing to help me get ubuntu to recognize my second hd?
[05:27] <bob2> JeffreyB: it won't work
[05:27] <kalle_> bob2, you think parted will do the trick for me? resizeing my partition that is.
[05:27] <xf_> ah. so security fixes are backported? openwebmail 2.3x has a security exploit
[05:27] <bob2> ubuntu-nubiee: change your nick and/or ask on the list

[05:27] <thoreauputic> JeffreyB: if you want to run Sid, use Debian
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: yes
[05:27] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: Can I follow this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto --- or will that not help?

[05:27] <ubuntu-nubiee> change my nick?
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: but universe has no security support
[05:28] <bob2> ubuntu-nubiee: having such a stupid nick does discourage people from helping you
[05:28] <ubuntu-nubiee> why, cuz it's long?
[05:28] <ubuntu-nubiee> okay
[05:28] <xf_> bob2: hm, fair enough i guess, but a lot of packages people depend on are in universe. particular for webhosting
[05:28] <Nefarous> New install question, it says I'm running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386, there is a bug that is fixed in <IP_ADDRESS>-9, how do I upgrade to this version of the kernel, it's not in my apt list, do I have to go to "universe" for that?
[05:28] <bob2> xf_: you can certainly offer to pay to have them supported
[05:28] <xf_> any idea why asterisk isn't showing up in apt-cache searches (Apart from it not being in the Packages file)?
[05:28] <bob2> xf_: or watch debian's security list and fix them yourself
[05:28] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:29] <bob2> xf_: erm, the definition of "showing up in apt-cache searches" is being in the PAckages file
[05:29] <shank_> bob2, btw got everything working mostly smoothly here
[05:29] <shank_> ubuntu++
[05:29] <mtl> how can i get scandinavic characters to work in ubuntu ?
[05:29] <bob2> xf_: if it's not in the warty/universe PAckages file, it's not in warty/universe
[05:29] <xf_> bob2: i realise that. what i mean though is it's evident /why/ technically it's now showing up, but why isn't it there?
[05:29] <shank_> bob2, seems as though ubuntu fixed/changed most things i disliked about debian
[05:29] <xf_> hm, why would it be in pool, then?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> xf_: if you really need it, it's in Debian testing and unstable
[05:30] <bob2> xf_: the pool contains packages for all versions of ubuntu
[05:30] <bob2> shank_: cool
[05:30] <xf_> oh, i see
[05:30] <xf_> so this is a hoary package, presumably?
[05:30] <bob2> no idea
[05:30] <bob2> are you sure it's ont in the PAckages file?
[05:30] <xf_> hm. hoary is still rather unstable though, yeah?
[05:30] <Nefarous> bob2: no, ok ... so is there an unstable flag I should add to my sources then?
[05:30] <xf_> well, it's not showing up in apt-cache search
[05:31] <xf_> i assume it's not in the packages file
[05:31] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:31] <kalle_> mtl, select language profile in gdm
[05:31] <shank_> bob2, the problem i was having last night is that nero/windows wasn't burning the image properly
[05:31] <xf_> i'll wget it and grep for it, one sec
[05:31] <bob2> xf_: why don't you check, or at least show us your sources.list?
[05:31] <bob2> (not in here)
[05:31] <kalle_> mtl, you might want to edit out utf8 from the locales.alias in /etc/X11/gdm
[05:31] <bob2> shank_: hah, thought so
[05:31] <jriver> okay, i'm back with my hd question
[05:31] <xf_> my sources list is stock, only change is i removed the cdrom line and uncommented deb and deb-src universe lines
[05:31] <shank_> bob2, yeah, luckily i had a usb-cd-burner, so i just burned it in linux using that
[05:31] <mtl> kalle okra
[05:32] <bob2> Nefarous: have you "apt-get update'd?
[05:32] <bob2> shank_: ah, right
[05:32] <jriver> i have a primary hd, i'm not sure if it's scsi, but it's /dev/sda (so at least emulated) and then i have a second ide that ubuntu has yet to recognize
[05:32] <jriver> i don't really know where to start
[05:32] <Nefarous> bob2: yes, but maybe I didn't add the right sources ...
[05:32] <jriver> grub?
[05:32] <bob2> Nefarous: the kernel you should be using is in main
[05:33] <shank_> bob2, i love the way it handles root priveleges
[05:33] <shank_> bob2, one of the things i liked about os x
[05:33] <bob2> shank_: yeah, sudo by default rocks
[05:33] <xf_> hm, ok
[05:33] <Nefarous> bob2: ok, so I have to wait for -9 to get "released" then?
[05:33] <xf_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[05:33] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:33] <xf_> grabbed that, ungzipped it, grepped for asterisk
[05:33] <bob2> Nefarous: warty will only get new kernels for security issues
[05:33] <xf_> all i see is mentions of it in some other packages
[05:33] <mir> Is there a way to temporarly enable ip_forward for a test ?
[05:34] <xf_> and one Suggests: line, presumably for one of those libraries
[05:34] <shank_> bob2, now to see if i can't convince some ppl to add some debian packages to universal
[05:34] <yaxu> hi all, could someone help with a postfix problem?  i'm trying to get it to listen to eth0 rather than just localhost, and "inet_interfaces = all" in main.cf didn't do the job
[05:34] <bob2> mir: echo 1 > /proc/net/../ip_forward
[05:34] <bob2> (as root)
[05:34] <mtl>  yeah
[05:34] <yaxu> can't find it in any faqs, maybe i'm just being stupid
[05:34] <Nefarous> bob2: my source line is ... warty main restricted  (is restricted holding me back?)
[05:34] <xf_> question with universe, is it purely canconical employees that maintain packages, or is the open source community welcome to do so, like debian?
[05:34] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:34] <mir> bob2: I tried but I get access denied, both as user and root (sudo)
[05:34] <bob2> xf_: read the faq, it's being sorted out
[05:34] <xf_> ok, cool
[05:34] <bob2> it will involve random non-canonical people
[05:35] <yaxu> the faq says postfix only listens on localhost by default, but doesn't say how to change that default
[05:37] <xf_> ok, another stupid question. i assume ubuntu provides meta-packages for installing things such a compliation enviroment, et al. where would i find these?
[05:37] <xf_> the names of, even
[05:37] <bob2> install build-essential
[05:37] <bob2> there's no generic list
[05:37] <crimsun> xf_: feel free to add it to the faq
[05:37] <xf_> ah, joys of a wiki. ta.
[05:38] <polytan> re
[05:38] <xf_> i'm kind of looking for the holy grail of linux distro's, i guess. minimal fuss with maintained packages, decent support, having a commercial backing is nice
[05:38] <shad0w913> "At this point, you need to change your kernel's configuration to statically include your bus, disk, and filesystem drivers. This can be rather difficult if you don't know what you're doing. Use "make menuconfig" (or "make xconfig", gconfig, etc.) to change the config."
[05:38] <shad0w913> uhoh, how do i do that?
[05:38] <xf_> i'm picky, but i'm always happy to put money/work where my mouth is
[05:39] <bob2> shad0w913: what are you trying to do?
[05:40] <dooteo> hi folks
[05:40] <bob2> does dmesg detect them?
[05:41] <dooteo> I've go Advansys SCSI card with 2 CD drivers, but it looks like ubuntu can't find them (scsi card appears on "Device manager" hardware list)
[05:41] <dooteo> and nautilus is not able too
[05:41] <sjoerd> dooteo: do the appear in /proc/scsi/scsi
[05:41] <stuNNed> hmmm `cat /proc/cpuinfo` says i'm running at 1.2ghz when my cpu is 1.8ghz and using power chord, not battery, any ideas?
[05:41] <bob2> does dmesg see the drives?
[05:41] <xf_> bob2: generally curious, you a canconical employee btw, or a keen ubuntu developer?
[05:41] <shad0w913> bob2: recompile the kernel
[05:42] <bob2> stuNNed: use something that will run up your cpu
[05:42] <bob2> xf_: canonical.
[05:42] <xf_> s/developer/user/g, assuming you develop though
[05:42] <bob2> shad0w913: why?
[05:42] <xf_> ah, ok, makes sense
[05:42] <stuNNed> bob2, aha! thanks :D
[05:42] <xf_> do you guys get paid to support us here, or you do it out of love? :p
[05:42] <yaxu> ok, i think i found my postfix problem, need to edit master.cf
[05:43] <shad0w913> bob2: do you have IMs blocked or something?
[05:43] <JeffreyB> Any gottchas to installing VMware on Warty?
[05:44] <bob2> xf_: I'm not, others may be
[05:44] <bob2> shad0w913:
[05:44] <jriver> can somebody help me get ubuntu to recognize /dev/hda?  i have a /dev/sda (where / is)
[05:44] <bob2> shad0w913: "IM"?
[05:44] <shad0w913> instant message, private message, w/e
[05:44] <nubi> hi
[05:44] <bob2> if you mean "people /msg'ing me for private support", then no, I just ignore them
[05:44] <bob2> since it's rude and silly
[05:44] <nubi> how can I change the GDM resolution?
[05:44] <shad0w913> oh
[05:45] <eim> Are the 2.6.8 kernel sources and headers available on the Warty CD?
[05:45] <shad0w913> w/e
[05:45] <shad0w913> anyway
[05:45] <bob2> shad0w913: why are you trying to recompile your kernel?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> shad0w913: you should always ask
[05:45] <shad0w913> bob2: because kal told me too, i need to get cpu scaling to work, among other things
[05:45] <bob2> shad0w913: no, you do not need to recompile it to get cpufreq to work
[05:45] <dooteo> bob2: on boot SCSi subsystem is initialized but can't found it's CD drivers, so perhaps SCSi card's is requesting some holidays ;)
[05:45] <shad0w913> bob2: then what do i need to do?
[05:46] <bob2> dooteo: does it work under another OS?
[05:46] <bob2> shad0w913: nothing, it's already happening
[05:46] <bob2> shad0w913: powernowd will scale it as you use your cpu
[05:46] <nubi> PLEASE can some1 at least try to answer my question? :-(
[05:46] <JeffreyB> Oh - I see one gottcha to VMware.. UDEV...
[05:46] <eim> Can anyone tell me on the fly if I'll find the Linux 2.6.8 kernel source and headers on the Warty CD? I need it for a machine which has no network access.
[05:46] <shank_> bob2, i don't think i've ever gotten a linux installed and ready to use for development this fast
[05:46] <bob2> nubi: why do you want to change it?
[05:46] <bob2> shank_: hah
[05:46] <shad0w913> bob2: then why does the monitor tell me i'm using -124124235% cpu
[05:46] <thoreauputic> nubi: you've been here for what, 2 minues since you asked?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> *minutes
[05:47] <nubi> thoreauputic and?
[05:47] <bob2> nubi: you need to be a bit patient
[05:47] <bob2> nubi: since you're asking for help from strangers, who you will never meet or repay
[05:47] <nubi> bob2 i'm sorry :(
[05:47] <dooteo> bob2: this morning it works with progeny (but sometimes, months ago, it doesn't work with mandrake).
[05:47] <bob2> as it so happens, I'm mounting the cd to check for eim, and trying to figure out what nubi is doing
[05:47] <daniels> shad0w913: it's highly unlikely you're actually using that amount of CPU time
[05:47] <kent> nubi, you can change it in /etc/XF86Config-4, i think
[05:47] <bob2> dooteo: ah, very weird
[05:48] <nubi> bob2 i need it to set lower due to default values are 1600*1200 and my monitor cant handle it without problems :(
[05:48] <xf_> daniels: howdy
[05:48] <daniels> shad0w913: just as if my laptop was actually running at 1THz in Oxford, I probably would've noticed due to the heat factor
[05:48] <bob2> nubi: daniels knows about that
[05:48] <shad0w913> daniels: I kno, but i want it to work right :p
[05:48] <nubi> kent no I can't :(
[05:48] <daniels> xf_: yo
[05:48] <bob2> :-)
[05:48] <daniels> alright, I have to head off now
[05:48] <nubi> bob2 whos daniels?
[05:48] <kent> nubi, well, i could. How come you cant? What did you do?
[05:48] <eim> bob2: Thanks. apt-cache search kernel-source shows me that the latest available kernel-source are the one for 2.6.7. Where are the sources for 2.6.8? Warty is shipped with 2.6.8.
[05:49] <daniels> bob2: if you can walk him through nuking HorizSync/VertRefresh, I'll buy you a drink at Fabric
[05:49] <dooteo> bob2: I'm gonna halt the system and 'sleep' the card. Perhaps in the next boot it works fine (I hope:)
[05:49] <bob2> daniels: find line. dd. :wq?
[05:49] <bob2> eim: the headers are
[05:49] <dooteo> thanks to all, C U
[05:49] <nubi> Kent okay, tell me please how can I change these settings only for GDM?
[05:49] <eim> bob2: Fine. And the source?
[05:49] <bob2> eim: in ubuntu they're linux-source, linux-headers, etc
[05:49] <eim> bob2: Got it. Thanks.
[05:50] <Hikaru79|Sleep> How can I set up a printer through a TCP/IP port using CUPS?
[05:50] <bob2> eim: the source is not, but you don't needthat to compile modules
[05:50] <bob2> nubi: why only for gdm?
[05:50] <eim> bob2: I hope so. To be sure I'll copy the source on a CD/RW.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: localhost:631 from memeory
[05:50] <bob2> Hikaru79: you mean "How can I get my local machine to use a remote printer?"?
[05:51] <eim> bob2: Whay are they called linux-source and linux-headers in Ubuntu? And not kernel-source as in Debian.
[05:51] <kent> nubi, Well, say you want gdm to use 1024x768, then make sure it in the XF86Config-4.
[05:51] <Hikaru79> bob2, yes.
[05:51] <nubi> bob2 because i allready have 1152*864 at my account. But not in GDM. And when I log out into GDM, my begins to do weird things :(
[05:51] <bob2> Hikaru79: go to http://localhost:631/ in your browser
[05:51] <nubi> Kent thats the problem. Wait, i'll paste you 1 line from that file
[05:51] <bob2> eim: differentiate them and to makeit more obvious what they are, I think
[05:51] <bob2> eim: mainly the former
[05:52] <eim> bob2: ok
[05:52] <bob2> nubi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, dselect the higher reses
[05:53] <nubi> kent: Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" "640x400" ... I'm currently using 1152*864. Do you see that value in there? I dont.
[05:53] <nubi> kent all depth lines are the same
[05:54] <kent> nubi, what value?  What are the resolution you want to use?
[05:54] <Hikaru79> bob2, it's asking for a CUPS use/pass o_o
[05:54] <nubi> kent I want to use my current resolution :) 1152*846*24
[05:54] <epod> nubi: you can manually edit your x config for the resolution you want
[05:55] <nubi> epod I know, I'm a little confused that I'm currently running a resolution, whis is NOT in that file! :(
[05:55] <kent> nubi, perhaps you should run the command you got from bob2. I changed the resolution simply by deleting 1600x1200 since that was what gdm wanted to run, and its to ugly on my monitor.
[05:55] <robertj> Gnome actually does a decent job with tex sizing and widget layout. I don't run that rez on XP or OS X
[05:55] <nubi> kent same problem as I have :)
[05:56] <kent> nubi, or add the resolution to there.   Like wtf.
[05:57] <nubi> kent yes it could be good then I thing ... but I'm really confused that my system doesn't do, what is written in config files. Where it got that it can run at my current resolution? I'm happy that it works but i'm really interested from where this setting came
[05:57] <jordi> epod: driver?
[05:58] <kent> nubi, configuring X is kind of hard.  I realy think the people developing X should take some time to configure an easy way to configure it..
[05:58] <nubi> kent I want to know, what happens in my comp. Thats the reason I switched to linux years ago
[05:58] <epod> jordi: Intel 8x0 or something.. my soundcard is an onboard thing in my notebook, and under windows I can change what jack outputs what with software, so it's probably related to that.  It's just annoying.
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: do not /msg people without asking
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: I have no idea what it is
[05:58] <Hikaru79> oh... sorry
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: probably root and your original password
[05:58] <bob2> or admin
[06:00] <epod> jordi: It's a 'Sigmatel C-Major Audio' but iirc it uses the intel driver.
[06:00] <ic1> I'm running warty on a dell 600m, everything works great except for the lid sensor. Whenever I press and release it the computer freezes. I've emptied the lid.sh in /etc/acpi and it still does the same thing. So it could be a problem with acpid itself or something. Ideas?
[06:02] <usual> whats the latest version of evolution
[06:02] <usual> 2.1.0?
[06:02] <nubi> thanks for your help fellas (ladies)
[06:03] <epod> am I going to seriously regret going from warty to hoary at this point in time, were I to do so?
[06:03] <robertj> epod: if you don't have a good reason to, yes
[06:03] <kent> epod, you should regret. There's no point in making your computer unstable.
[06:04] <eim> epod: Why have you switched to hoarty?
[06:04] <epod> I just read on the k3b site that 2.6.8 can't burn audiocds...so that kind of makes warty suck a bit if that's true
[06:04] <epod> eim: I haven't.
[06:04] <eim> epod: Use mp3roaster.
[06:04] <haggai> usual: latest upstream is 2.0.2
[06:04] <bob2> the k3b developers are on a fair bit of crack
[06:05] <usual> haggai, ok, cause hoary is 2.1.0
[06:05] <jriver> ha!  what do you recommend if not k3b?
[06:05] <zenwhen> buying a cd player that can play mp3s
[06:05] <eim> epod: mp3roaster.sf.net -- Burns MP3s, OGGs and FLACs.
[06:05] <zenwhen> loll
[06:05] <kent> epod, well.. i can burn audio-cds with warty. I did it yesterday with k3b. Although i started it as root from a gnome-terminal
[06:05] <epod> eim: ok, what about video dvds?
[06:06] <epod> kent: Ok, then I will declare the k3b devs to be on crack :)  Can't you just chmod +s the k3b bin? (Insecure,  I know, but hey)
[06:06] <eim> epod: No, just Audio CDs. MP3Roaster handles only the formats explained above. It's a CLI tool, no GUI.
[06:06] <epod> eim: ahh ok
[06:07] <epod> eim: I have to have gui, or the gf gets all boggled and complains.  It needs to be easy to use and look nice.  (Gnome does well in that respect)
[06:07] <eim> epod: You can find MP3Roaster in Debian unstable. Not in universe.
[06:07] <eim> epod: I understand
[06:08] <epod> I'll grab it for myself, but I guess I'll need to wrestle with k3b, then once I get it working, figure out how to get it to use the same theme as my gtk w/o installing all of KDE
[06:08] <epod> whee.
[06:08] <epod> :P
[06:08] <robertj> is the Disks menu present in warty?
[06:08] <jriver> sorry to keep bugging, can anybody help with a hd not being recognized?
[06:08] <robertj> under Computer/System Configuration
[06:08] <epod> jriver: define 'not being recognised'
[06:08] <bob2> epod: you can run k3b, you just have to run it as root
[06:08] <vortex25> robertj: is it external?
[06:09] <epod> bob2: ok, I assume chmod +s on the k3b executable would work too?
[06:09] <jordi> epod: hmm, dunno then.
[06:09] <bob2> epod: run it from the applications -> system tools -> root terminal
[06:09] <jriver> vortex25: no internal?
[06:09] <bob2> epod: setuid is one of the things 2.6.8...changed
[06:09] <epod> bob2: it won't work? ack.
[06:09] <vortex25> jriver: not sure then, I thought maybe you were having the same problem I had w/ my external
[06:09] <jriver> i have a /dev/sda which i guess is scsi (it's not an IDE cable)
[06:09] <bob2> jriver: is it thin?
[06:09] <jriver> then i just installed an ide
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: it's a regular 3.5
[06:10] <epod> bob2: I've got no issue running it from a root terminal, it's the other user of the pc that would :)  So setuid is broken (or 'fixed')?
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: no, not thin i guess
[06:10] <bob2> jriver: the cable
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: oh sorry, yes the sda cable is
[06:10] <bob2> jriver: sata, probably
[06:11] <jriver> bob2: sata, yes that's it
[06:11] <bob2> epod: it was a tightening up of security which is too tight for comfort, I guess
[06:11] <jriver> bob2: then i put in an ide, and suse recognized it, but i don't know how to tell ubuntu to
[06:11] <epod> bob2: crap.  *sigh*
[06:12] <Auke|new_to_ubun> hey all
[06:12] <Hikaru79> Hello :
[06:12] <Hikaru79> *:)
[06:12] <usual> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/look.png
[06:12] <usual> novell is taking over
[06:13] <usual> hehe
[06:13] <usual> evolution is copyright by them also
[06:13] <jriver> usual: better novell than ms, right?
[06:13] <Auke|new_to_ubun> say, is this where I ask for help on installing ubuntu? ^_^
[06:13] <usual> jriver, oh yea, i'm not complaining
[06:14] <Hikaru79> Yes, Auke|new_to_ubun :)
[06:14] <jriver> Auke|new_to_ubun: yeah sure
[06:14] <thoreauputic> usual: copyright is part of the GPL - not a prob as long as they are using GPL
[06:14] <Auke|new_to_ubun> ghehe, sweet :) Well see :)
[06:14] <Hikaru79> =P
[06:14] <Auke|new_to_ubun> dpkg keeps segfaulting when installing base-passwd
[06:14] <usual> thoreauputic, yea I know...I was just poking fun at novell :)
[06:14] <thoreauputic> usual: :)
[06:15] <jMi> Anyone here know how to get the ivtv module loaded?
[06:15] <jriver> anybody out there have ubuntu with a sata hd and an ide hd?
[06:15] <Auke|new_to_ubun> tried expert installation, custom installation...but no succes really
[06:17] <wm_eddie> How do you install mplayer in ubuntu?
[06:17] <jriver> Auke|new_to_ubun: does it segfault on any of dpkg installs?
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> (exact error message: subprocess pre-installation  script killed by signal (segmentation fault)
[06:17] <wm_eddie> apt-get install mplayer-686 doesn't work.
[06:17] <burner> wm_eddie, u gotta add a different source
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> jriver yea, it seems something is wrong with base-passwd_3.5.7_i386
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> ...?
[06:18] <burner> apt-get.org to search for it
[06:18] <eim> Let's assume Windows overwrote my boot loader. How can I reinstall it using grub (Once rescue booted Ubuntu)? thanks.
[06:18] <burner> eim, man grub
[06:18] <burner> grub-install /dev/hda comes to mind
[06:18] <eim> burner: Tell me something I don't know ;)
[06:19] <eim> burner: Thanks.
[06:19] <burner> not sure
[06:19] <burner> check man page
[06:19] <eim> burner: I'll do.
[06:19] <Auke|new_to_ubun> elm: probably you can do grub-install <device> when botted
[06:19] <stuNNed> eim, boot from rescue disk, chroot into your install, then run grub-install /dev/hda
[06:19] <eim> stuNNed: Fine, thanks.
[06:19] <wm_eddie> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ I'm pretty sure I have that already.
[06:19] <bob2> epod: I think everyone using k3b just runs it as root
[06:19] <burner> wm_eddie, that's it... what's the error you get?
[06:20] <epod> heh 2.6.8 is buggered with regard to cdburning, just did some reading on it.  Ugh.
[06:20] <wm_eddie>   mplayer-686: Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[06:20] <wm_eddie> E: Broken packages
[06:20] <Auke|new_to_ubun> hmm, perhaps something is wrong with the image I downloaded... is there perhaps some other spot where I can download (perhaps older) images? I assume I can simply upgrade just like debian after installation?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> Auke|new_to_ubun: Bittorrent
[06:21] <epod> bob2: Yeah, it looks like that'll be necessary.    I wonder why burning cds in gnome works just fine.
[06:21] <wm_eddie> it does all the verifying you need on the fly.
[06:21] <Auke|new_to_ubun> wm_eddie hmm, got a link to a torrent somewhere? I only say the most current on the website
[06:21] <Striss> could anybody help me out with getting java and a java plugin for firefox to work in Ubuntu PPC?
[06:21] <burner> <IP_ADDRESS> has cd burning issues?  i just erased a cdrw nd burnt  new one all of 5 minutes ago
[06:22] <bob2> Striss: you read the wiki page?
[06:22] <epod> burner: http://lwn.net/Articles/98379/
[06:22] <Striss> actually i just found a guide on doing it
[06:22] <wm_eddie> There's a ppc java plugin?
[06:22] <Hikaru79> Striss, what is the problem?
[06:22] <Striss> so hopefully it'll work
[06:22] <Hikaru79> Ah, ok :)
[06:23] <Striss> does this seem accurate http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Programming/Installing_Java_on_LinuxPPC.html ?
[06:23] <wm_eddie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/release/
[06:23] <bob2> 1.3 is very old
[06:23] <Hikaru79> I get the following error when trying to print through a LinkSys Print Server: Printing: ERRSRV - ERRnoresource (No resources currently available for request.)
[06:23] <jMi> I've built the ivtv.ko module, but when I try to load it I get FATAL: Module ivtv not found. Anyone got any suggestions?
[06:23] <Hikaru79> Any ideas? =(
[06:23] <burner> epod, k3b doesn't use scsi emulation to burn though
[06:23] <wm_eddie> or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[06:24] <wm_eddie> I'm one of the warty-release seeders.
[06:24] <wm_eddie> and have been since it came out :)
[06:24] <jriver> nice wm_eddie!
[06:24] <wm_eddie> and I've use that image on four computers now.
[06:25] <Striss> what version is java at now?
[06:25] <Auke|new_to_ubun> mm, thanks wm_eddie, but this is the version I downloaded... and I think somehting might be wrong with it... (possibly only on MY system, but still...)
[06:25] <burner> Striss, 5.0
[06:25] <yann__> burner, but not for ppc....
[06:25] <Striss> eep
[06:26] <burner> oh right, didn't read PPC... nevermind what i said
[06:26] <burner> btw, 5.0 is essentially 1.5
[06:26] <Striss> oh
[06:26] <burner> sun did  version bump
[06:26] <Striss> after i copy the plugin to the firefox plugins dir, do i need to setup anything inside firefox?
[06:26] <Striss> for java
[06:27] <wm_eddie> Striss: nope.
[06:27] <wm_eddie> restart firefox.
[06:27] <Striss> k i'll test it to see if it worked
[06:27] <Auke|new_to_ubun> heh, I'll give your torrent a try wm_eddie  (coming in at 800k/s now :P)
[06:28] <Striss> hmm not working
[06:28] <Auke|new_to_ubun> Well, I'll keep in trying nonethless - thanks for your time and all :]
[06:28] <yann__> Striss: x86?? in a tutorial i read that you still have to set some kind of symlink... looking for it right now
[06:29] <burner> Auke|new_to_ubun, do an md5sum when done downloading to make sure
[06:29] <Striss> yann__, ppc
[06:29] <robertj> there is a disk check option on the first menu when it boots
[06:29] <Rotund> anyone here do dual monitor as dual screen?
[06:29] <robertj> before you type install or press enter or wait for it to time out
[06:30] <yann__> Striss: which version did you get to work?? 1.3.1 or 1.5/5.0?
[06:30] <Striss> yann__, 1.3.1
[06:30] <WW> Hello world.
[06:30] <yann__> Striss: maybe you still have to do this, here is the tutorial, a little down the page.. http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[06:31] <Striss> k i'll check
[06:31] <yann__> trying to install 1.3.1 right now...
[06:32] <WW> After a brief power outage yesterday, I'm looking into UPS/AVR options.  I found an assortment of packages: apcd, apcupsd, genpower, nut-usb, powstatd, upsd.
[06:32] <JDahl> I just installed Ubuntu, I have to say it's great... The only downside for me is that I use the OpenAFS client, and that doesnt compile on a 2.4 kernel.
[06:32] <yann__> to bad there is no java 1.5 for ppc... would have liked to play with the generics a little...
[06:32] <JDahl> sorry.. it doesnt compile on a 2.6 kernel
[06:32] <WW> Any recommendations, or pointers to up-to-date How-Tos?
[06:32] <bob2> yann__: IBM has one
[06:33] <yann__> bob2: got a link?
[06:33] <Striss> yann__, didn't work
[06:33] <bob2> nope
[06:34] <bob2> I may be wrong
[06:35] <crimsun> IBM's JDK 1.5 is slated for next year
[06:35] <bob2> ah
[06:36] <jriver> so for this sata and ide - i'm looking into grub or blkid.  can i copy the blkid info for the IDE from suse, will that work in ubuntu?
[06:36] <yann__> too bad... so much to "java is platform independent" ...
[06:38] <Rotund> I have a messed up bug w/ gnome-panel using dual-screen.  It doesn't actually load
[06:39] <Rotund> anyone know of a way to reduce the garbage strace drops?
[06:42] <Striss> yann__, mozilla isnt loading the plugin, its not showing up in my pluginreq.dat
[06:45] <epod> weird, the only mplayer output that works on my system is gl2, and the embedded video in web pages opens in a new window with mplayer mozilla plugin
[06:45] <epod> how strange
[06:46] <eim> bob2: What about DRM 3D on your G4?
[06:48] <eim> Anyone has successfully installed configured RealPlayer/Helix along with Mozilla?
[06:49] <JDahl> can the CD/DVD creator in gnome burn ISO images, by just dragging them to the window?
[06:49] <usual> this is a fitting ubuntu african image haha
[06:49] <usual> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/monk.png
[06:49] <mjr> JDahl, how about right-clicking them and choosing to burn from the context menu?
[06:50] <JDahl> mjr, dont make fun of me... all this drag-n-drop and gui is making me feel uncomfortable
[06:50] <usual> JDahl, just right click on the image
[06:50] <mjr> umm, I don't, that's how you do it
[06:52] <cenerentola> the italian ubuntu site is up... btlug.it
[06:53] <eim> cenerentola: Ben fatto ;)
[06:54] <WW> Is there an "official" Ubuntu UPS (uninterruptible power supply) package?
[06:55] <WW> (If not, this would be a nice addition to hoary.)
[06:56] <jriver> can somebody tell me where to look for info on using ubuntu with sata and ide?  is it a grub thing or blkid or some other device config, hdparm?
[06:56] <jriver> i don't really know where to start looking
[06:57] <jriver> i tried copying the info in blkid.tab from my suse partition, but that didn't seem to work in ubuntu
[07:08] <wfx> i fixed my prob with ieee1394 and the udev, i was not to use my dv until i do "mknod /dev/raw1394 c 171 0 && chmod 646 /dev/raw1394"
[07:08] <djtansey> hello. i'm trying to setup /etc/network/interfaces using the by defining the "name" -- how can i switch between them? or is "name" not used for that?
[07:09] <xinel> muwahaha i fixed my libc6-i686 prb
[07:09] <xinel> had to edit the dpkg available file
[07:09] <wfx> welcome to the club ;-)
[07:10] <xinel> hahaha thanx
[07:10] <eim> djtansey: You mean the "stanzas"?
[07:11] <wfx> hmmm, should i my fix post to a ubuntu forum
[07:11] <hypa7ia> wfx: yupyup
[07:11] <epod> Can anyone tell me, or direct me to instructions on how, to make k3b use themes w/o installing all of kde, so I can set the QT and GTK theme to the same thing and have my k3b look all nice with my gnome?
[07:11] <hypa7ia> that way it turns up if ppl google it
[07:11] <wfx> hypa7ia, and wich one :-)
[07:12] <hypa7ia> maybe ubuntuforums.org ?
[07:12] <xinel> what was wrong with ur post?
[07:12] <djtansey> eim: i don't know what you mean by stanzas. i have iface ath0 inet dhcp/ name "home"/wireless_essid home_wap and then would like to see if i can somehow change the profile so i when i travel from work to school to home i can easily change the profiles (some have WEP, some dont, for instance)
[07:13] <hypa7ia> oooh, oops, wfx. i thought you were asking if you should post it :-)
[07:13] <eim> djtansey: I use guessnet for doing this. You'll find guessnet in univers.
[07:13] <djtansey> eim: thanks. i'll look at it.
[07:13] <eim> djtansey: guessnet is anyway a bit tricky to set up, you must know about ARP, etc.
[07:13] <epod> Oh, and the other thing, could anyone tell me how the heck I can make a nice looking splash screen come up on boot-up, like the livecd has, instead of the ugly text crawl?
[07:13] <eim> darkling: With guessnet your machine configures the net automagically checking, via ARP, where it is.
[07:14] <ToGGY`> epod: bootsplash
[07:14] <eim> darkling: Sorry.
[07:14] <hypa7ia> epod: i don't know how to do it, but it is coming apparetly in hoary
[07:14] <darkling> eim: No problem. Easy enough to do. :)
[07:14] <xinel> hrmms
[07:15] <epod> ToGGY`: does that require me to compile a customer kernel?
[07:15] <epod> *custom
[07:15] <ToGGY`> epod: yep
[07:15] <eim> darkling: ;)
[07:15] <epod> ehhh.. I don't want to muck with that, Ubuntu is working nicely with all my hardware as it is with linux-686-smp
[07:15] <ToGGY`> epod: smp?
[07:16] <hypa7ia> i've been procrastinating about it for like a week :-(
[07:16] <epod> ToGGY`: yeah
[07:16] <epod> ToGGY`: p4 ht.. iirc I need the smp kernel with it to support the HT.
[07:16] <ToGGY`> yeah
[07:17] <epod> it's only a couple minor annoyances, but grr.  The whole having to run k3b as root is annoying, and the bootup screen being all ugly-like is annoying.  bleh.
[07:18] <ToGGY`> kde
[07:18] <epod> kde what? I don't use kde.
[07:18] <ToGGY`> me neither
[07:19] <wfx> hypa7ia, i add: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12256#post12256
[07:19] <epod> k3b is, unfortunately, the best cdburning frontend for linux though
[07:20] <hypa7ia> wfx: can you maybe add the error you'd been getting?  i at least often just plug in my error messages
[07:20] <hypa7ia> agreed epod... haven't neededit yet, tho, just used nautilus burnin
[07:21] <epod> hypa7ia: same here, but once I want to burn a video dvd, it's going to be needed.
[07:21] <CraHan_> I'm trying to find out the keycodes for some keys but they don't display right
[07:21] <epod> god work is so dead today
[07:22] <CraHan_> if I look in the /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/macintosh and then use xev to find the code for a specific key they don't match
[07:22] <wfx> hypa7ia, there was no erro message (it was riddle to me) -> all modules are loaded and looks ok.
[07:22] <CraHan_> anyone know how to solve that?
[07:22] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha wfx :-)
[07:22] <hypa7ia> epod: that's what irc is for :-)
[07:23] <epod> ToGGY`: so the ubuntu stock <IP_ADDRESS> kernel doesn't support bootsplash, eh?
[07:23] <wfx> only the dev entry was missing
[07:23] <xinel> tis 2:23am here
[07:23] <ToGGY`> epod: not that I know of
[07:23] <epod> hypa7ia: yeah, basically.  I am removing spyware from windows pcs and ircing, and being paid for it.    Master volume does nothing.  Headphone volume = master volume
[07:25] <epod> go figure.
[07:26] <xinel> :/
[07:26] <epod> xinel: lol yeah mine cost a pretty penny, but I don't own a desktop
[07:26] <xinel> in america there prolly cheaper then in australia
[07:26] <epod> I'm in Canada
[07:27] <xinel> then i have no clue :P
[07:27] <xinel> i wanna holiday in canada
[07:27] <hypa7ia> i have left: internel intel wifi, extra buttons, fglrx, wacom tablet, battery status and sleep (requres a custom kernel patch), webcam, ethernet...
[07:27] <epod> a decent notebook is like $1400-$1800 CDN
[07:27] <hypa7ia> where in canada epod?
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: fglrx is *so* easy
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: northern BC
[07:27] <hypa7ia> yeah, i know, had it working under fedora
[07:27] <xinel> decent one here is about 2500-3000
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: search the ubuntu wiki for BinaryDriverHowto
[07:28] <epod> hypa7ia: it's like 3 commands.  that's it.
[07:28] <hypa7ia> coolcool epod, one of my friends is from bellacoola
[07:28] <xinel> decent canada holiday from here is about 7k
[07:28] <epod> xinel: yeah, mine was $3500 US.
[07:28] <xinel> ouch
[07:28] <xinel> 3500 US *shudders*
[07:29] <epod> 3.2 HT p4/1gb RAM, mobile radeon 9600 w/128mb ram, 80gb HD, DVD burner, wifi, gigabit lan, 17" widescreen display
[07:29] <epod> hypa7ia: cool :)
[07:29] <wfx> what is wifi
[07:29] <epod> oh, and a 'it reads everything' cardreader.  stupid memorystick
[07:29] <xinel> hrmms does gnome have a cool proggy that puts programs into the applications menu?
[07:29] <epod> wfx: 802.11g
[07:30] <epod> wireless networking
[07:30] <xinel> got an assignment in it due soon
[07:30] <epod> xinel: you're in school for compsci or something?
[07:31] <_jon_> hey jabra
[07:31] <jabra> _jon_: sup
[07:31] <xinel> epod: yah
[07:31] <_jon_> gee i'm not sure i know what wifi is
[07:31] <xinel> uni sux
[07:32] <khronic> Away: ( Monthly meeting of the khronic fan club ) | Since: ( Sat Nov  6 10:32:11 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[07:32] <Bilbo> hi all
[07:32] <jabra> so why is this distro different from all other distros
[07:32] <hypa7ia> jabra: because it is supah friendly, and so are the people :-)
[07:33] <jabra> hypa7ia: good answer
[07:33] <_jon_> jabra: 6 month release cycles are nice as well as all the security updates i've been noticing
[07:33] <wfx> :)
[07:33] <epod> and all my weird laptop hardware worked
[07:33] <hypa7ia> not mine :-(
[07:33] <jabra> _jon_: better than debian for security?
[07:33] <wfx> but TEG is not included :-)
[07:33] <epod> Fedora won't even boot.  The installer insists I have no dvd drive
[07:33] <epod> :D
[07:33] <_jon_> jabra: you know that i'm still using debian
[07:33] <jabra> ya
[07:33] <hypa7ia> i got an asus widescreen lappy, intel ipw2200 b/g, gig of ram, 1.6 p-m, all sortsa goodies
[07:34] <xinel> jabra: coz there is nekkid ppl on the webby
[07:34] <hypa7ia> but soooo much driver work to do :-(
[07:34] <hypa7ia> hahaha
[07:34] <hypa7ia> oh yeah
[07:34] <epod> hypa7ia: is that centrino? I've seen drivers or something somewhere
[07:34] <hypa7ia> epod: yeah, there's a great forum about it... http://m6n.ath.cx i believe
[07:35] <jabra> _jon_: I think it is your cd that isn't working
[07:35] <_jon_> i'm not sure
[07:35] <jabra> _jon_: cd or cdrom
[07:36] <_jon_> it's a cdrom that works
[07:36] <_jon_> well the drive works i know that
[07:37] <_jon_> jabra: i can drop the cd out my window for you to try it if you'd like
[07:38] <jabra> _jon_: sure
[07:38] <_jon_> you going to catch it?
[07:38] <_jon_> or just let it hit the ground and hope it's not broken
[07:39] <jabra> not going outside till we are going to shaws
[07:39] <_jon_> bombs away
[07:39] <vortex25> Hey is Helix Player in apt-get repositories?
[07:40] <_jon_> check outside jabra
[07:41] <janice> Hi All
[07:42] <jabra> _jon_: checking
[07:43] <janice> I need some assistance. I have given up on using ndiswrapper and purchased a very long cat5e cable to simplify the internet connection. Unfortunately, upon installing Warty 4.10 full release, I don't have internet connection. Strangely, Warty 4.10 LiveCD does recognize and configure the network device correctly. Can anyone help?
[07:44] <_jon_> does ifconfig -a show you as having an ip?
[07:44] <xinel> whats the full release got that the livecd doesn't?
[07:45] <pisuke> janice, have a look at /etc/network/interfaces. you can stop/start networking with /etc/init.d/networking stop/start
[07:45] <jabra> _jon_: which room did you drop it out of
[07:45] <_jon_> mine
[07:46] <jabra> ok
[07:48] <jabra> _jon_: it was literally outside my front door
[07:48] <_jon_> haha
[07:48] <jabra> and the disk was there too
[07:49] <_jon_> i'd assume as much
[07:49] <janice> pisuke: Thank you for the reply. I look at the et/network/interfaces and it appears okay, except there is a 'network <IP_ADDRESS>' entry and I have no idea why this is present. Can I delete this?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> janice: I suggest you see what /etc/network/interfaces says on the working live Cd, and copy that
[07:51] <janice> thoreauputic: That is a very logical suggestion. I will try it.
[07:51] <thoreauputic> janice: can't hurt, anyway ;)
[07:54] <jabra> _jon_: food?
[07:54] <_jon_> just ate some french toast a little while ago, anything in mind?
[07:54] <jabra> beer?
[07:54] <_jon_> i have that
[07:55] <jabra> more beer
[07:55] <jabra> you can never have enough
[07:55] <_jon_> my roommate isn't back yet so i don't have his truck
[07:55] <jabra> damn
[07:56] <janice> thoreauputic: after rebooting with the liveCD, the /etc/network/interfaces is blank except for two comment (#) lines.
[07:56] <obos> i guess this question have been asked thousands of times, but; where do i get drivers for D-link DWL 650+ wlan-card to work in ubuntu?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> janice: and yet it works? very strange...
[07:57] <_jon_> obos: have you checked D-link's website for linux drivers?
[07:58] <obos> _jon_, yes, they haven't got any
[07:58] <fga> is someone running ubuntu on an IBM T40p laptop ?
[07:58] <jabra> obos: maybe you need to recompile your kernel
[07:59] <LinuxJones> obos, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[08:00] <janice> I find the Ubuntu Full Release to be very hard when it comes to internet connectivity. I have spent a full week trying to get internet working with Ubuntu and have been unsuccessful. I am about to give up on Ubuntu and switch to something else. If it works with the LiveCD, then it should work with the Full Release. Very Frustrated user.
[08:00] <_jon_> obos: this might help as well: http://www.focusresearch.com/dwl-650.html
[08:00] <thoreauputic> janice: maybe check and compare the output of ifconfig to see what it is recognising
[08:01] <thoreauputic> janice: is this a cable connection? dsl?
[08:01] <janice> thoreauputic: check with liveCD or boot into installed ubuntu?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> or what?
[08:01] <janice> thoreauputic: dsl
[08:01] <thoreauputic> janice: have you tried pppoeconfig?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> janice: sorry pppoeconf
[08:03] <obos> thanks.. and one more thing. I've have this fu***** cross in the middle of the screen..
[08:04] <hypa7ia|busy> obos: that is weeeeird
[08:04] <_jon_> obos: huh?
[08:04] <WW> obos: I don't know what it is, but I think I saw something about that in the ubuntu forums.
[08:04] <obos> yeah, one of those cursors
[08:05] <mirak> thoreauputic: pppoeconf is a bit messy to use
[08:05] <mirak> janice: I think you must have a ethernet card
[08:05] <janice> thoreauputic: I think the ifconfig has given a clue to the problem. Ubuntu LiveCD is using eth1 for the internet connectivity; however, the installed Unbuntu is trying to use eth0.
[08:05] <mirak> janice: with a static adress
[08:05] <mirak> janice: I had problems when I didn't do this
[08:06] <thoreauputic> janice: aha - that would be it I suspect
[08:06] <ben_> hi
[08:06] <LinuxJones> obos, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[08:06] <ben_> how do i get my mouse to work?
[08:06] <ben_> i plugged in a mouse to my laptop, but it doesn't do anything
[08:06] <janice> thoreauputic miral: I will reboot into installed ubuntu and try to change the network setting to eth1
[08:07] <obos> LinuxJones: thanks ;)
[08:07] <LinuxJones> :)
[08:07] <LinuxJones> ben_, what kind of mouse usb ?
[08:07] <shank_> what's the package to install man pages in sections 2 and 3?
[08:08] <ben_> LinuxJones: it's a usb mouse with a little converter that converts it to a ps/2 plug
[08:08] <ben_> is that what's messing it up?
[08:08] <LinuxJones> ben_, probably :)
[08:09] <ben_> ok
[08:09] <LinuxJones> ben_, someone else had the same problem a week or so ago
[08:09] <ben_> i'll try taking it off and plugging it into the usb port
[08:09] <ben_> wo
[08:09] <ben_> i think i just witnessed magic happen!
[08:10] <ben_> i plugged it into the usb port and it worked!
[08:10] <ben_> stunning
[08:10] <ben_> lol
[08:10] <LinuxJones> ben_, heh
[08:10] <ben_> lol
[08:10] <LinuxJones> ben_, you gotta love hotplug :D
[08:10] <ben_> is there a way to get the middle click to work?
[08:11] <ljlane> shank_, manpages-dev, probably
[08:11] <shank_> ok, i founds it
[08:11] <LinuxJones> ben_, you have to edit your /etc/X``/XF86Config-4 file
[08:11] <shank_> ljlane, install glibc-doc
[08:11] <Cred> Hello. Could somebody try to help me with TV card problem, I get "no device on /dev/video0". Such device does not even exists.
[08:11] <Cred> The modules are, probably all necessary, loaded fine.
[08:11] <_jon_> jabra: any luck on the livecd?
[08:12] <shank_> ljlane, your right
[08:12] <shank_> i prolbably want both
[08:13] <ben_> oops, nvm, middle click works
[08:13] <ben_> i just had to turn on autoscroll in firefox
[08:13] <ben_> what's gnome light?
[08:14] <aka_daemon> moring..
[08:14] <jabra> _jon_: no
[08:14] <jabra> _jon_: making food first
[08:14] <aka_daemon> anyone who could help me out with some Palm issue?
[08:16] <ben_> anyone know what gnome light is?
[08:17] <oddabe19> ben_, google it
[08:17] <ben_> i did, i get a whole bunch of stuff about gentoo though
[08:17] <wfx> dont think answers like "google it" is very friendly
[08:18] <ben_> no, i don't mind, it wasn't a really a tech support question
[08:19] <janice> thoreauputic and mirak: I got it working. What I did was moved the ethernet cable to the alternate ethernet port (the motherboard has two built in ethernet jacks). However, there still wasn't internet connectivity. Using the networking GUI interface, I deleted the eth0 device and re-added it again. This seemed to reinitialize the device and internet connectivity began to work.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> janice: well done then :)
[08:21] <ben_> is there a way to get gnome to use less memory :p the trash applet alone uses a ridiculous 30 megs of ram
[08:23] <WW> ben_: Sure, but as someone else said, it's a _really good_ trash applet!  :)
[08:24] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here use amule?
[08:26] <hypa7ia|busy> lol WW
[08:27] <stuNNed> where can i find madwifi-driver in ubuntu?
[08:27] <mirak> janice: nice
[08:27] <Kal_Zakath> how can I get rid of evolution-data-server-1.0 when gnome starts ? I don't need it at all
[08:27] <brainchill> curious ... is the java plugin in a repository somewhere?
[08:28] <brainchill> I know how to install it manually but thought if I could find it in a channel it would save time
[08:28] <shank_> Kal_Zakath, uninstall evolution?
[08:28] <Kal_Zakath> is it the only way ?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> ben_: is gnome slow for you? Is there a particular reason you want to reduce memory use?
[08:28] <brainchill> I thought evolution NEEDED the evolution data server
[08:28] <Kal_Zakath> well
[08:29] <Kal_Zakath> I'll trow evolution away then
[08:29] <brainchill> that's how the calendar and clock and alerts and everything work together
[08:29] <brainchill> it's really pretty slick
[08:29] <Kal_Zakath> I don't use evolution
[08:29] <brainchill> it beats the alternative
[08:29] <_jon_> just kill gnome altogether if you're that concerned about memory, go for a lighter weight wm
[08:29] <gruberman> brainchill : read on the ubuntu site why java isnt included in the repositories
[08:30] <brainchill> in many offices it's either windows with outlook or something else that will communicate with exchange or else
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> this sucks
[08:30] <ben_> thoreauputic: I'm on a relatively slow machine (600mhz P3, 192meg ram), and i have the virtual memory turned off to converve battery power
[08:30] <oddabe19> go for XFCE4 it's like gnome.... light... kinda
[08:30] <ben_> and i'm worried about using up all my memory
[08:30] <brainchill> I know it's not in THE repositories but I figures int might be in A repository somewhere that one of you may know of
[08:30] <_jon_> xfce4 is definitely my choice
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> dependecies telle me that if I uninstall this, it'll uninstall lot of other stuff
[08:30] <brainchill> you can also run nautilus with xfce if you want the desktop/file manager stuff
[08:30] <oddabe19> xfce4 is great... stable, fast, pretty, and flexible
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> dependencies should really be reworked
[08:31] <ben_> will all the cool applets that come with the gnome ubuntu
[08:31] <__randy__> stuNNed, its the the modules-restriced package
[08:31] <ben_> oddabe19: where can i get xfce4? i searched in universe and it's not there
[08:31] <oddabe19> open synaptic
[08:31] <oddabe19> and search under "description and name" for xfce4
[08:31] <oddabe19> or xfce
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ben_: as _jon_ says - use a lighter wm or de if it's a concern.  I'm going to store a lot ripped cd's (flac format) and some other multimedia files
[08:32] <ben_> oddabe19: returns nothing
[08:32] <janice> pisuke thoreauputic mirak: Thank you for helping me solve this issue.
[08:32] <oddabe19> did you update?
[08:32] <matt__> what's the NFS package called in debian?
[08:32] <oddabe19> your sources?
[08:32] <stuNNed> __randy__, linux-restricted-modules ?
[08:32] <_jon_> ben_: take a look at one of the boxes: openbox, fluxbox, blackbox or xfce4
[08:32] <stuNNed> __randy__, currently using yenta_socket but doesn't support wpa_supplicant
[08:32] <ben_> oddabe19: yup, i've updated them, still doesn't work
[08:32] <brainchill> Kal_Zakath: I don't mean to be an idiot but if you want to psychotweak something why are you no using slackware or something
[08:32] <thoreauputic> janice: you're very welcome :)
[08:33] <oddabe19> it's in universe
[08:33] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : I'm a debian user
[08:33] <ben_> oddabe19: i kno, i have the universe repository checked
[08:33] <brainchill> it's more psycho friendly .... I installed ubuntu on this computer (my wife's) because a computer idiot can use it
[08:34] <matt__> ok, found it, nfs-common
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> but I like the ubuntu's Philosophy and want to support them
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> so I use it
[08:34] <aka_daemon> ben_: it's certainly in universe!
[08:34] <brainchill> everything just works (except of course for java but we can fix that)
[08:34] <oddabe19> ben_, exit synaptic
[08:34] <oddabe19> nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> but stuff like this makes me a little nostalgic about debian
[08:34] <oddabe19> uncomment the 2 universes
[08:34] <_jon_> nano? booo
[08:35] <oddabe19> and ctrl+x and hit yes
[08:35] <brainchill> you can support them with cash and still use something else :-)
[08:35] <thoreauputic> matt__: you might need nfs-kernel-server as well
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> lol nano
[08:35] <brainchill> this distro is an amazing desktop wonder though
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : well, I have no cash :)
[08:35] <brainchill> I've been really impressed
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : I'm workless since yesterday :/
[08:35] <oddabe19> Kal_Zakath, nano is my wet dream
[08:35] <oddabe19> :-P
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> use vim
[08:36] <aka_daemon> brainchill: chash is not everything! To get help from people who know stuff is worth more than money
[08:36] <oddabe19> i don't like it
[08:36] <ben_> oddbabe19: the stuff is already uncommented
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> I always used vim
[08:36] <karto> hi... im having some  trouble with sound - it doesnt work (worked flawlessly earlier - not sure when it stopped working).
[08:36] <oddabe19> are you out of nano now?
[08:36] <ben_> is there something wron with the universe server?
[08:36] <brainchill> nano is yuck
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> ben_ : did you perform an apt-get upadte ?
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> apt-get update
[08:36] <oddabe19> ben_, exit out of nano, then sudo apt-get update
[08:36] <brainchill> nano, pico ... what's the difference .... yuck
[08:37] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: why do you think it's different in debian ?
[08:37] <karto> gstreamer player says "Could not render default GStreamer audio output sink from GConf /system/gstreamer/default/audiosink key. Check if it is set correctly." - i tried changing the value to "alsasink" but that doesnt help
[08:37] <thoreauputic> brainchill: for newbies, nano and pico are less intimidating than vi/vim :)
[08:37] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : what ?
[08:37] <brainchill> I do all of my file editing in gedit ..... I can't even read a config file without gnome installed (j/k)
[08:37] <theBishop> has anyone had any luck dual booting Ubuntu with windows?
[08:37] <stuNNed> brainchill, lol
[08:37] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: 20:34 <Kal_Zakath> but stuff like this makes me a little nostalgic about debian
[08:38] <stuNNed> theBishop, yes, on laptop
[08:38] <karto> i do it theBishop
[08:38] <theBishop> stunned i currently db XP and Slackware
[08:38] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : in this case it's some depedencies issues
[08:38] <_jon_> theBishop: should be fine as long at windows is installed first
[08:38] <_jon_> s/at/as
[08:38] <theBishop> and i wanted to install Ubuntu over my slackware ext3 partition
[08:38] <brainchill> They are more dos edit like but they are not really easier ... the newbies just need to write down a few simple key shortcusts on a scrap of paper and vi could be the easiest editor out there
[08:38] <theBishop> but the Ubuntu installer didn't let me do it
[08:38] <hellmuth> Hi all!
[08:38] <aka_daemon> theBishop: yes, even plus Debian
[08:38] <theBishop> it is
[08:38] <stuNNed> theBishop, are they on separate hd's?
[08:38] <theBishop> no
[08:38] <theBishop> seperate partitions
[08:38] <karto> anyone who can help me get sound back?
[08:39] <hellmuth> I'm trying to install libdvdcss2, and the Ubuntu Wiki says it is in multiverse, but after adding that to apt-get, I can't find it in Synaptic :-/
[08:39] <stuNNed> theBishop, what didn't it let you do?
[08:39] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: those are the same on debian (mostly)
[08:39] <theBishop> cfdisk will recognize the partitions from the command prompt but the main installer doesn't
[08:39] <wfx> hellmuth, have you du apt-get update
[08:39] <theBishop> Kartu: is it a permissions problem?
[08:39] <wfx> do
[08:39] <hellmuth> wfx: Well, I clicked "Update" in Synaptic
[08:39] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : not in this case...
[08:39] <jorisK> Hello everyone, is there an package / piece of software for Gnome that allows me to burn audio CD's in ubuntu?
[08:39] <fga> Hi all, is someone running ubuntu on an IBM T40p laptop ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> brainchill: heh- have you ever tried to talk someone new through editing a file with vi on IRC? It's usually a nightmare
[08:39] <karto> alsa i dont think so... it worked flawlessly before
[08:40] <stuNNed> theBishop, i had similar problems that was related to earlier usage of partition magic, went into winxp disk manager and deleted old linux partitions then it recognized the free space
[08:40] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: that's just because unstable has G2.6 instead of 2.8
[08:40] <theBishop> stunned: i'll try that
[08:40] <theBishop> thanks
[08:40] <Kal_Zakath> I want to remove evolution-data-server-1.0 and it tells me that he'll remove stuff like gaim etc...
[08:40] <_jon_> jorisK: coaster is a gnome cd burner
[08:40] <stuNNed> theBishop, np, worked here
[08:40] <karto> jorisK, go to "computer>home>places"cd creator"
[08:40] <jorisK> _jon_, is that installable via the package manager?
[08:40] <_jon_> not sure if it's in ubuntu but try universe
[08:40] <aka_daemon> @_jon_: coaster is aparently not working due to missing dependency packages
[08:40] <karto> there you can add the files and go "file>write to disc"
[08:41] <_jon_> aka_daemon: apt-get --fix-missing
[08:42] <jorisK> karto, can i also make audio CD
[08:42] <jorisK> karto, can i also make audio CD's?
[08:42] <aka_daemon> _jon_: thx..
[08:42] <_jon_> here's the main site for coaster if there's still a problem: http://files.dersoldat.org/coding/coaster/
[08:42] <wfx> hellmuth, post youre apt-source to http://www.pastebin.com/
[08:42] <aka_daemon> do I need some daemons or programms running when I want to sync a palm?
[08:43] <fga> can anyone give me hints on suspend on disk with ubuntu ?
[08:43] <hellmuth> wfx: It's okay, I found it. It's not in multiverse, but in the debian-marillat repository (look for it in Google, the address is in the old Ubuntu Wiki). Would be cool if you could add that info to the new Wiki as well.
[08:43] <matt__> I have a PowerBook G4 running Warty. The display only takes up part of the screen. How do I change the display settings?
[08:44] <wfx> :)
[08:44] <jorisK> karto, can i burn audio cd's with that?
[08:44] <_jon_> matt__: have you tried xf86config?
[08:44] <matt__> i haven't
[08:44] <karto> hmm... i never tried jorisK
[08:44] <_jon_> also curious how the support is for the airport card on the ppc port
[08:44] <jorisK> hmm
[08:44] <jorisK> doesn't look like it
[08:45] <jorisK> do you know which program to use for burning audio cd's?
[08:45] <matt__> me? airport works perfectly
[08:45] <Phoop> The Gnome CD Burner cant burn Audio CD's
[08:45] <jorisK> ah
[08:45] <Phoop> K3B can burn Audio CD's
[08:45] <matt__> i'm running over it right now
[08:45] <aka_daemon> jorisK: mp3burn
[08:45] <jorisK> ah
[08:45] <jorisK> where can i find it?
[08:45] <Phoop> On ubuntu ; there is a manual for installing
[08:45] <wfx> Phoop, Gnome CD Burner? wich one you mean
[08:46] <jorisK> well
[08:46] <Huw`> can anyone tell me if ubuntu is running my ibook at reduced/full cpu speed or automatically switches between the two?
[08:46] <jorisK> the one which i can write audio cd's with
[08:46] <_jon_> jorisK: you can also try x-cdroast and i'm not sure but i think rhythmbox has burning builtin now
[08:46] <jorisK> ah
[08:46] <Phoop> jorisK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[08:47] <Phoop> Then u can burn all you want ( nero-look-a-like )
[08:47] <thoreauputic> matt__: to reconfigure your display, use   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , not xf86config
[08:47] <JakSprat> hey all - I've just installed ubuntu  for the first time (first time linux for a decade too).  It just worked.  Awesome.  Thank you.   I need to transfer files from my G5 to the machine - how should I do this?  I tried apt-get install wu-ftpd and a few other ftp daemons I saw listed on the web, but they all fail, and wiki says nothing about FTP daemon that I can find.
[08:47] <mirak> there is a dependency problem with kcontrol in hoary
[08:47] <_jon_> thoreauputic: does it make that much of a difference?
[08:47] <Phoop> JakSprat; sudo apt-get install gftp
[08:48] <Phoop> Or something like that
[08:48] <Phoop> ;)
[08:48] <jorisK> hmm
[08:48] <Phoop> Or do u mean a ftp server ?
[08:48] <_jon_> JakSprat: you could scp the files
[08:48] <JakSprat> Phoop: Couldn't find package gftp
[08:48] <jorisK> Phoop, is there a way to use the package manager to install it?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> _jon_: it's the correct method for debian, I believe
[08:48] <Phoop> apt-cache search
[08:48] <JakSprat> yes, I mean ftp server.   or some other way to transfer files from one machine to the other.  OK, I'll lookup scp
[08:48] <Phoop> Ah
[08:48] <karto> AHHHHH ... note to self: audio-in and audio-out is NOT the same!!
[08:48] <Phoop> proftp
[08:48] <Phoop> pureftp
[08:49] <JDahl> I reinstalled RtCW on ubundu, and it complains about missing openGL libraries, but glxgears run fine (not as well as under unstable though). glxinfo registers mesa-DRI. Anyone played around with this? Do I need to install glut also?
[08:49] <Phoop> That are ftp servers
[08:49] <thoreauputic> _jon_: or so the #debian gurus say, anyway ;)
[08:49] <JakSprat> I did apt-cache search ftp - it seems that there aren't any ftp servers that come by default.
[08:49] <_jon_> thoreauputic: sorry, i haven't reconfigured X on my debian box for quite a while
[08:49] <Linger> Ciao! :)
[08:49] <Phoop> Having the universe enabled ?
[08:50] <Linger> uhm See you soon!
[08:50] <JakSprat> ehm
[08:50] <_jon_> i got used to doing things without dpkg, since i've been mostly toying with obsd
[08:50] <malte`> i lost the "Home" and "Computer" icons, now i get a blank sheet with a red X
[08:50] <malte`> why?'?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> _jon_: heh - yes once it's right one tends to leave it alone :)
[08:50] <Kal_Zakath> nevermind for that evolution stuff, I launched evolution on the morning, that why this data-server was still up
[08:50] <malte`> i lost "Disks", "Network", "System Configuration", "Help", "About Ubuntu" too
[08:50] <Kal_Zakath> I can't uninstall it, but it won't take any ressource so I don't mind
[08:51] <_jon_> thoreauputic: still annoyed at ATI though :-/
[08:51] <jorisK> Argh, does no one know a package to install that allowes me to burn audio cd's?
[08:52] <matt__> thx thoreauputic - restarting to test...
[08:52] <jorisK> the thing ph00p gave me doesn't work
[08:52] <jmhodges> anyone here played with a tablet pc?
[08:53] <Kal_Zakath> jmhodges : nope, I would like to through
[08:53] <_jon_> jorisK: i'm running out of burners to suggest but i've been using k3b and it works
[08:53] <thoreauputic> jorisK: k3b is the usual recommendation, I believe
[08:53] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: heh, same here.. i'm looking into a tc1000
[08:53] <jmhodges> i'm getting lots of mixed and/or old info on it
[08:53] <Kal_Zakath> it's acer non ?
[08:54] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: have you been doing any research on that or other tablets?
[08:54] <JakSprat> awesome - scp works like a dream - thanks _jon_.  I guess there is a way to mount my OS X drive on ubuntu and vice versa too?
[08:54] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: nope, compaq
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> jmhodges : not really
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> oki :)
[08:54] <jmhodges> cool
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> as you see I don't have really much infos about this stuff
[08:54] <fga> JakSprat: you may try NFS fot this purpose
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> :)
[08:54] <_jon_> JakSprat: if you run samba or nfs
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> I'm only into laptops
[08:54] <JakSprat> ok I'll give that a look - thanks
[08:55] <fga> Kal_Zakath: are you using suspend to disk on laptops ?
[08:55] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: ahh
[08:55] <Kal_Zakath> fga : yeah
[08:55] <JakSprat> as a new-to-linux, I see a lot of products have linux distributions. eg. Eclipse and Java etc.   Many have a "RPM" distribution and a "non-RPM" one.  Should that mean anything to an Ubuntu users? (Can I choose any one?)
[08:55] <Kal_Zakath> works nice
[08:56] <Kal_Zakath> exept for my cpufreq gnome applet that hand on resume
[08:56] <jmhodges> i'm still debating on whether or not to get a tablet or laptop.. being able to take notes and toss up freebody diagrams quickly and easily is my prime motivation for the tablet
[08:56] <_jon_> JakSprat: rpms are packages created for redhat and fedora users
[08:56] <JakSprat> right, so avoid them then
[08:56] <Kal_Zakath> but I had to patch and recompile my own kernel to make that stuff work
[08:56] <JakSprat> Why is redhat special like that?
[08:56] <_jon_> JakSprat: you can use alien to convert them into a debian package
[08:56] <fga> Kal_Zakath: i'm trying to figure out how to do this on ubuntu do you know where i could find a how to or any information (i'm new to Linux)
[08:57] <JakSprat> alien - ok cool thanks _jon_ - so much to learn.
[08:57] <Kal_Zakath> fga, that's long and hard to get this working :(
[08:57] <_jon_> jaksprat: just be patient, you'll get it
[08:58] <fga> Kal_Zakath: that's what I was starting to figure out... i'm not at ease recompiling the kernel on my laptop
[08:59] <matt__> hm, i don't get the new resolution in the display list - i must not have entered the screen parameters correctly
[08:59] <Kal_Zakath> fga : well that's possible to do, but if you have some time to spend on this :/
[08:59] <ceu> hi
[08:59] <JakSprat> Awesome - I just ran the j2sdk1.4.2 linux ".bin" file and it worked!  (Well, it unpacked something, but it works).  I guess the lesson is to do this in the directory you want to install it.   I'm so used to OS X which has installers for everything, or "drag and drop" install...
[09:00] <wfx> i leave have fun
[09:00] <fga> Kal_Zakath: ok thus i'll spend some time on it... any advice on a good place to find information ?
[09:01] <JakSprat> so what's this obsession with python - while installing ubuntu I saw python absolutely everywhere - is it a "big" development language now on Linux?
[09:01] <Kal_Zakath> fga : http://swsusp.sf.net/
[09:01] <_jon_> JakSprat: most things now are python, perl, c, or java
[09:01] <fga> Kal_Zakath: thanks
[09:02] <matt__> anyone know what the NFS start script is called in Ubuntu?
[09:02] <stuNNed> currently using ath_pci.ko driver for wireless would like to use madwifi instead, is that possible?
[09:02] <matt__> I've installed the nfs-common pkg, but there's no "nfs"
[09:02] <hypa7ia|busy> JakSprat: python has a number of features which encourage portable, maintainable code
[09:02] <hypa7ia|busy> i <3 python
[09:02] <_jon_> matt__: not sure but is there a /etc/init.d/nfs
[09:03] <matt__> no, in there it's just nfs-common
[09:03] <_jon_> that should be it
[09:03] <matt__> oh
[09:03] <JakSprat> I'm just so surprised to see so much o fit.  OS X comes with it too, but there doesn't seem to be as much of the tools etc. written in it, with as many bindings.  It's great to see.
[09:03] <_jon_> matt__: just do a /etc/init.d/nfs-common start
[09:04] <matt__> yup, that seems to work. thankyou!
[09:04] <hellmuth> Hey boys, what program do you use for duplicating CDs?
[09:05] <fga> stuNNed: can't help you on this but what computer do you use ?
[09:05] <_jon_> hellmuth: just go for k3b
[09:05] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: i know you can burn iso's in nautilus
[09:05] <matt__> hm, still can't connect to it
[09:05] <hypa7ia|busy> but i don't know what to make one with :-)
[09:05] <stuNNed> fga, this is a dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[09:05] <hellmuth> hypa7ia|busy, I know that, too. I was talking about real, existing, media.
[09:06] <matt__> I've created the /etc/exports file
[09:06] <hellmuth> _jon_, But that's KDE software!
[09:06] <thoreauputic> matt__: I found this very helpful : http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html
[09:06] <hellmuth> Hmm
[09:06] <hellmuth> I'll use XCDRoast then
[09:06] <Cred> Someone here has wintv card working? I'm missing /dev/video0 I'd like to know how to create it. I think I have all necessary modules running
[09:06] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: i know, i was thinking make an iso > burn an iso
[09:06] <_jon_> hellmuth: how do you feel about the cli, because cdrecord works as well
[09:06] <matt__> i'll take a look, thoreauputic
[09:06] <thoreauputic> matt__: portmap is crucial
[09:07] <hellmuth> _jon_, I feel good about it. But the man I'm installing this for has never seen Linux before.
[09:07] <fga> stuNNed: maybe this link might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1881
[09:08] <_jon_> hellmuth: alright then, xcdroast is the way to go
[09:08] <brainchill> hellmuth to duplicate a CD do a dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso then use nautilus burn to burn the iso you created
[09:08] <stuNNed> fga, think it okay to install the debian packages for madwifi?  only doing this to try and get wpa working instead of using wep
[09:08] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: you could make a launcher for that on the desktop or something
[09:09] <Brandybuck> hi all
[09:09] <ys> where is the document that tell apt-get where to look for files?
[09:09] <ys> i can't remember
[09:09] <fga> stuNNed: can't help you on this i'm just a newbie with Linux on laptop
[09:09] <_jon_> ys /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <L|nu}{> ys: /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <L|nu}{> _jon_: ;)
[09:09] <_jon_> heh i beat you
[09:09] <_jon_> ;)
[09:10] <L|nu}{> yeah... I know.. hehe... Next time!
[09:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia|busy: the burning question (pun intended), why such a simple thing is not scripted and put into gnome..
[09:10] <stuNNed> fga, thanks for your help!
[09:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia|busy: maybe we should suggest it
[09:10] <stuNNed> fga, appreciate the link :)
[09:11] <fga> stuNNed: glad to have helped :)
[09:11] <wm_eddie> AHH! firefox 0.9.3 is REALLY pissing me off!
[09:11] <_jon_> wm_eddie: try 1.0rc1 it's really nice
[09:12] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Is it in universe?
[09:12] <_jon_> i'm not sure
[09:12] <oddabe19> wm_eddie, i use hoary... i believe it's in there
[09:13] <Brandybuck> Hi I got sound question....
[09:13] <Brandybuck> I see volume control in the top bar
[09:14] <wm_eddie> well it's not in warty that's for sure...
[09:14] <oddabe19> no, i don't believe it would be
[09:14] <oddabe19> have you done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[09:14] <oddabe19> recently?
[09:15] <Brandybuck> and lsmod lists these
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_intel8x0m          18632  2
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[09:15] <JakSprat> I tried to install the nfs-server.  I did, and ran it.  Now when I try and mount (from the same system) I get: mount: RPC: Program not registered  - any ideas?
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_mixer_oss          16640  4 snd_pcm_oss
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[09:15] <Brandybuck> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd                    50660  14 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[09:15] <Brandybuck> soundcore               9824  4 snd
[09:15] <wm_eddie> oddabe19: I do that about once every day or two.
[09:15] <oddabe19> then it's not in warty
[09:15] <oddabe19> it's in warty multiverse or universe
[09:16] <wm_eddie> http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/okdisabled.png and http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/stilldisabled.png
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: do /topic and read it, please
[09:16] <Brandybuck> this is running ubuntu
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: and please don't paste in channel again
[09:17] <Brandybuck> sorry
[09:18] <SmokingFire> how can I get to see a paritition in Computer-->disk or nautilus computer:/// ?
[09:22] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: you should be able to see partitions in both...
[09:22] <SmokingFire> I don't
[09:23] <lt_kije> are the partitions mounted?
[09:23] <SmokingFire> I remember when I added windows paritions to fstab it would do it
[09:23] <lt_kije> so what does your fstab say?
[09:23] <jmhodges> thats because the partition would be mounted if it was in fstab
[09:23] <SmokingFire> but this reiserfs (empty) and that is fstab doesn't show up
[09:23] <SmokingFire> ok, I just did this in fstab one moment please
[09:24] <SmokingFire> "/dev/hda7       /mnt/multimedia reiserfs defaults        0       2"
[09:24] <lt_kije> so then when you open computer->disk, and you go to /mnt/multimedia do you see anything?
[09:25] <SmokingFire> I just copied it from what the ubuntu installer did for my "/home" paritition/
[09:26] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: I did computer --> disks ---> filesystem --> "mnt/multimedia" and it shows up and even the files I was copying to in 2 minutes ago.
[09:26] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: so it does work?
[09:27] <SmokingFire> yup no problem only copying was really slow (but then it was 4 gig)
[09:27] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: so everything's ok...?
[09:27] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: but I want it to show up next to cdrom-floppy-filesystem
[09:27] <lt_kije> ahhhhhh, i see.
[09:28] <lt_kije> that's a gnome 2.8 thing -- i'm not certain how to do it. you could create a link on your desktop that would get you to /mnt/multimedia, though.
[09:28] <lt_kije> lemme check...
[09:29] <SmokingFire> Well could do it on my desktop but I hardly see my desktop
[09:29] <SmokingFire> Its not really important its just a finishing touch
[09:29] <lt_kije> yeah; i'll see if i can figure it out.
[09:30] <SmokingFire> cause when mounting foreign filesystems (ntfs and fat32) it does up next to the others devices.
[09:33] <ben_> hi
[09:33] <ben_> i made it yay
[09:33] <ben_> lol
[09:34] <ben_> hello?
[09:34] <ben_> anyone here?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> yes
[09:34] <ben_> i was talking to someone, but i don't remember who
[09:34] <lt_kije> things are a bit quieter now...
[09:35] <hypa7ia|busy> grats ben_!
[09:35] <Brandybuck> thoreauputic, sorry I pasted
[09:35] <ben_> lol, thanks
[09:35] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: It's Ok - you know now :)
[09:35] <Brandybuck> I was trying to get this ubuntu machine to do sound... I have got everything else working
[09:35] <epod> Can anyone tell me how to make gaim pop up a little window when someone comes online like MSN Messenger does?
[09:35] <ben_> xfce is kinda...ugly though
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: you can paste in #flood or on the URL in the topic :)
[09:36] <_jon_> ben_: you can make it look the way you want
[09:36] <bugz_> i just install ubuntu, what is the default passwd of root?
[09:36] <MeAndU32> Is there a plugin for k3b to decode realmedia and win32s
[09:36] <hypa7ia|busy> bugz_: there is none, run sudo passwd to make one :-)
[09:36] <matt__> ooh, i just crashed gnome-cups-manager
[09:36] <thoreauputic> bugz_: there isn't one - use sudo
[09:36] <Brandybuck> thoreauputic, btw I tried ubuntu on an old 500 MHz Toshiba and it was real sloooow ....  just as an info coz same machine was running RHEL3 workstation at a reasonable speed
[09:37] <epod> bugz_, there is no root, use the password for your user account if asked
[09:37] <hellmuth> Is there a German Firefox & OpenOffice available for Ubuntu?
[09:37] <ceu> there is a precompiled mplayer package for ubuntu?
[09:37] <MeAndU32> I mean .rm .wmv .wma files and may be .swf
[09:37] <ben_> _jon_: it's not just that, it does annoying things like cut off icons
[09:37] <Brandybuck> it is running fine on this 2.8 Gig machine but thought you guys might want to know
[09:38] <Brandybuck> there are plenty of low end old machines running linux...
[09:38] <bugz_> i see... thanks bros.
[09:38] <_jon_> ben_: hmm not sure about the icons, but i'm also one of those people who doesn't ever see the icons
[09:38] <Brandybuck> anyway any ideas on the sound??
[09:38] <_jon_> cli and a great shortcut called alt+f2
[09:39] <ben_> _jon_: also, all my shortcuts are gone :( now i have to find stuff again and remake all the menus
[09:39] <ben_> booo
[09:39] <_jon_> hmm
[09:39] <hellmuth> Okay, found it! Thaaanks!
[09:40] <stuNNed> if i `apt-get source package` where does it install the source files?
[09:41] <ben_> _jon_: what happened to the trashcan applet and all that stuff?
[09:41] <ben_> is there anyway i can get the menus back?
[09:41] <_jon_> that stuff is all in gnome
[09:41] <_jon_> xfce4 is a different window manager
[09:41] <mtl> I compiled my own kernel, 2.6.9 and it won't boot :(
[09:41] <mtl> just says kernel panic
[09:41] <_jon_> ben_: if you right click the background you can find a nice menu as well
[09:42] <yann__> mtl: do you have the right filesystems compiled into the kernel
[09:42] <mtl> hmm
[09:43] <mtl> yes i have
[09:43] <yann__> hmmm...
[09:43] <mtl> ext3
[09:44] <yann__> mtl: do you have the right ide drivers built in.. and ide-disk support?
[09:44] <mtl> hmm.. i have to check
[09:44] <yann__> mtl: where does it panic? and how? can't mount root filesystem?
[09:44] <mtl> yann__: yep!
[09:44] <chibifs> Hmmmm...
[09:44] <mtl> complains something about VFS
[09:45] <mtl> and can't mount root filesystem
[09:45] <chibifs> Does anyone know of a floppy distrobution that I can install to use as a base for installing debian? x_X
[09:45] <yann__> jup that usually happens when you forget something like the right filesystem and or ide drivers...
[09:45] <ben_> back
[09:45] <yann__> did you append the right root=/dev/hda1 in grub? (are you using grub)
[09:46] <_jon_> yann__: grub is default for ubuntu
[09:46] <yann__> __jon_: not if you have a ppc ;-) (do not have it running on a x86 ..)
[09:47] <_jon_> haven't tried the ppc port, i like my powerbook to have OSX
[09:47] <epod> How can I make firefox not use very very ugly fonts?
[09:48] <_jon_> epod: try another theme maybe?
[09:48] <Striss> epod, change them all to Sans-Serif
[09:48] <oddabe19> epod, install msttfonts
[09:48] <yann__> __jon_: i like osx too... but ubuntu is really nice!!
[09:49] <epod> oddabe19, I did.  How do I make it use them?
[09:49] <oddabe19> it should automatically
[09:49] <Striss> the first is Sans-serif, next is Serif, then Sans-serif again, then Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
[09:49] <lt_kije> yann__: i have my gnome themed to look like OSX -- it's pretty close, actually.
[09:49] <Striss> epod, thats what i use and it looks nice
[09:49] <oddabe19> close and restart your browser
[09:49] <epod> _jon_, I tried the theme I used in windows, noia-extreme, and it complained that it wouldn't work with my version
[09:49] <epod> ah ok
[09:49] <_jon_> epod: which version of firefox
[09:49] <yann__> lt_kije: seems like there are quite a few mac users here...
[09:49] <_jon_> noia seems to work all the way up through 1.0rc1
[09:49] <epod> _jon_, 0.9.3 I think
[09:50] <_jon_> s/call/calls
[09:50] <_jon_> hmm
[09:51] <hypa7ia|busy> <-- ex mac user :-)
[09:51] <lt_kije> chibifs: check out http://www.bootdisk.com/linux.htm
[09:51] <matt__> anyone ever have a problem where Synaptic refuses to display ANY packages? The status reads "13000 pkgs listed", and I've set all fields to be visible, but nothing shows...
[09:52] <nefertati> i'm looking for a gui dialer can someone tell me which to download?
[09:52] <lt_kije> i'm not a mac user at all -- i just like the aqua look (sorta; not totally)
[09:52] <epod> I wish X had something like ClearType
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> matt__: everything's fine here
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> epod : it has
[09:52] <matt__> i think something in my settings is screwed up
[09:52] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: for dialup internet?
[09:52] <epod> Kal_Zakath, it does? How do I turn it on?
[09:52] <nefertati> yes hype7ia
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> it's desktop depandant
[09:52] <Striss> epod, do your fonts look normal in gnome?
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> in gnome there is such thing
[09:53] <chibifs> I've been through bootdisks, that's not the problem though. I need a distro that I can actually /install/ to the hard disk \from\ floppies. x_x
[09:53] <epod> Striss, in gnome, yes.  In other apps like bittornado, no, they're ugly.
[09:53] <Striss> hmm
[09:53] <chibifs> Those all run in memory.
[09:53] <lt_kije> chibifs: i see.
[09:53] <Kal_Zakath> epod : well
[09:53] <lt_kije> chibifs: i thought you wanted to bootstrap...
[09:53] <Striss> epod: open up the Fonts dialog in the Gnome Control Center
[09:53] <hellmuth> I have a question again... how do you enable spell checking in OpenOffice? I've installed aspell over Synaptic.
[09:54] <Striss> i had to do that in Fluxbox to get all my fonts to work properly
[09:54] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: gnome-ppp
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : OpenOffice use MySpell by default
[09:54] <epod> every theme I try says it only works in 0.10 to 1.0.  Ok, where is the control centre, Striss?
[09:54] <chibifs> Well, The problem is, this computer can't boot from a CD, and the CD/Floppy is a single swappable port.
[09:54] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: thanks for mentioning that, i needed one too :-)
[09:54] <Striss> epod, in the Gnome System menu somewhere
[09:54] <Striss> Fonts
[09:54] <epod> Oh ok
[09:54] <epod> hm, subpixel smoothing?
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[09:54] <jdub> chibifs: has it got PXE?
[09:54] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy i tryed that but it doesnt work i think that i did something wrong because it say something about perl"
[09:55] <chibifs> PXE? o.o
[09:55] <epod> Ok cool
[09:55] <lt_kije> chibifs: you could do a debian netinstall using floppy disks (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/)
[09:55] <epod> so I assume that will take effect when I restart
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> epod : does it look better now ?
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> nope
[09:55] <chibifs> It had no network interfacing. :/
[09:55] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy: can you tell me please which commend to type?
[09:55] <hypa7ia|busy> doh, nefertati.  can you be more specific about the error?
[09:55] <Striss> epod, and did you change your fonts in firefox to what i said earlier?
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> it take effect instantly
[09:55] <Striss> i had to change mine for it to look nice
[09:55] <hypa7ia|busy> you did sudo apt-get install gnome-ppp?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> chibifs: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
[09:56] <epod> Striss, I installed msttfonts.. let me see if I can find where to change my fonts in firefox
[09:56] <matt__> what's the name of the "next" release tree after warty?
[09:56] <lt_kije> matt__: hoary
[09:56] <hellmuth> Thank you Kal_Zakath!
[09:56] <matt__> thanks!
[09:56] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy: actually i dont remember exactly
[09:56] <Striss> epod, go into the Preferences in Firefox, click Fonts & Colors or something, then change the first font to Sans-Serif
[09:56] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : you're welcome :)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ah - no networking :/ sorry
[09:56] <epod> Striss, ok
[09:56] <matt__> hoary is OK for most desktop use?
[09:56] <Striss> epod, the next will be Serif and then Sans-Serif again
[09:56] <_jon_> epod: here's the noia_extreme theme for firefox 0.9.3: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/themes/noia_2.0_(extreme)/Noia2_Full_2.73.jar
[09:56] <Striss> that should look alright
[09:56] <epod> _jon_, thanks
[09:56] <epod> Striss, ok found it, doing it
[09:57] <chibifs> My fault, I didn't mention it ahead of time. :P
[09:57] <Striss> cool
[09:57] <Striss> you should good some good results using those, if it was the same problem as i had
[09:57] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: did you get it with synapotic or download it?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> chibifs: heh - I got lampooned in #debian for asking... :)
[09:57] <hellmuth> Kal_Zakath: oh, could you tell me how to set the default dictionary (German in my case)?
[09:57] <chibifs> Heh, I don't go to #debian. They're mean over there. :/
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> well
[09:58] <chibifs> I got banned for rooting there once. :/
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : in langauages settings of Open Office
[09:58] <hellmuth> Thanks again!
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> you have to install MySpell german pakage
[09:58] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ah - well they were right about that ...
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> maybe it's done already
[09:59] <yann__> seems like #debian is a good place to hang out at... i have never been there...
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: try gpppon in syaptic, should do the trick
[09:59] <thoreauputic> yann__: if you feel masochistic, yeah :)
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> it's in universe
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> #debian is scary
[09:59] <epod> brb
[10:00] <hellmuth> And does somebody know if there's a German Ubuntu help channel?
[10:00] <_jon_> hellmuth: you could try a /list but be careful, there's a lot of channels
[10:00] <lt_kije> hellmuth: i speak some german...dunno if that helps at all :-)
[10:01] <hellmuth> _jon_, Well, for me it's no problem. But the man I'm installing Ubuntu for could use some German help oncde he gets started with Ubuntu.
[10:01] <chibifs> Hmmm... I think I might have found something.
[10:01] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy i downloadesd in windows. with synaptic couldnt install it
[10:02] <yann__> hellmuth: wir knnten ja einen auf machen ;-)
[10:02] <chibifs> It looks like Potato-base is small enough to fit on floppies.
[10:02] <logan2048> I'm looking for information on making a CNet Pro200 10/100 card work in Ubuntu.  I'm fairly Linux ignorant.  Any HowTo's or personal advice anyone?
[10:03] <zero> im trying to compile something and i get this error: checking for libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.0 gconf-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[10:03] <zero> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnomeui-2.0.pc'
[10:03] <zero> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[10:03] <zero> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[10:03] <zero> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.0 gconf-2.0 >= 2.6.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[10:03] <zero> any ideas?
[10:03] <jdub> zero: you haven't installed the libgnomeui dev package
[10:03] <jdub> and a bunch of others
[10:03] <jdub> what are you trying to build?
[10:04] <zero> http://freshmeat.net/projects/confgnome/
[10:04] <zero> that
[10:04] <_jon_> zero: try not to paste anything more than 3 or 4 lines
[10:04] <zero> sorry
[10:04] <_jon_> use pastebin
[10:04] <zero> ok
[10:05] <jriver> i asked about this earlier today, but i still haven't been able to get it working - ubuntu isn't recognizing an IDE hd of mine.  anybody have any clues on where to start?
[10:05] <epod> logan2048, try "modprobe dmfe"
[10:05] <zero> what packages must i apt-get so it will properly compile
[10:05] <hypa7ia> nefertati: it looks like it's something that needs to be compiled
[10:06] <yann__> jriver: you got the right ide drivers installed / loaded?
[10:06] <_jon_> jriver: is it just ubuntu or have you tried another OS or a livecd
[10:06] <jriver> i'm not sure
[10:06] <jriver> it's just ubuntu - it works in suse
[10:06] <_jon_> eww suse
[10:06] <jriver> i found the drive in /proc, so i guess there is some sort of driver
[10:06] <jriver> yeah, i'm loving ubuntu sooo much more
[10:07] <jriver> but if i do fdisk -l  i only get my sata drive
[10:07] <logan2048> epod: okay.  I'll try that..  what kind if result would one expect with that?  Is it a configuration tool or just an information tool?
[10:07] <kent> zero, the packages that configure says you are missing. Most of them can be found as a package-dev package, if you understand.. For example, libgnome and libgnome-dev.  Fetch all the -dev packages configure complains about.
[10:07] <zero> ok thanks
[10:07] <hypa7ia> nefertati: or try it from here:
[10:07] <hypa7ia> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gnome-ppp
[10:07] <_jon_> jriver: do you have a line for the disk in /etc/fstab
[10:08] <jriver> no, i know how to mount it, but i can't even find the /dev
[10:08] <jriver> if it's in fstab will ubuntu find the /dev?
[10:08] <SmokingFire> ok, I got a reiser paritition that I created and is still empty. Its mounted with no problems and I can browse it from nautilus or the shell.
[10:08] <SmokingFire> But I can't create directories unless I sudo.
[10:09] <SmokingFire> I don't want that
[10:09] <hellmuth>  /join #ubuntu.de ... wir wrden mal gerne sehen wie viele Leute hier sich fr nen deutschen Ubuntu-Kanal interessieren wrden (sorry for the foreign language usage)
[10:09] <chibifs> Why not, SmokingFire?
[10:09] <_jon_> jriver: it should be /dev/hda or /dev/hdb
[10:09] <hypa7ia> nefertati: rawk on, the deb installs flawlessly :-)
[10:09] <_jon_> hda if it's the primary drive b if it's secondary
[10:09] <hypa7ia> so yeah just grab it from that link nefertati
[10:09] <SmokingFire> chibifs: it will be my extended "home"
[10:09] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: sudo chown user:group /mnt/multimedia (user and group are your user and group)
[10:09] <chibifs> You can chown and chmod them right after.
[10:09] <jriver> yeah, it's /dev/hda in suse, but i can't even fdisk /dev/hda in ubuntu
[10:10] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: should be chown -R ...
[10:10] <epod> logan2048, open a terminal window, type 'sudo modprobe dmfe'
[10:10] <epod> logan2048, it ought to load the kernel driver module for your card
[10:10] <JDahl> is anyone here using openAFS with Ubuntu?
[10:10] <ys> what program should i use to view flash?
[10:10] <_jon_> jriver: have you tried cfdisk?
[10:10] <jriver> _jon_: could it be that i have a sata and a regular ide (i guess ata)
[10:10] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: how do I find out the group?
[10:10] <brainchill> ys: macromedia flash player
[10:10] <jriver> _jon_: no, i will
[10:10] <logan2048> epod: thanks.  I'll try that.  I'll come back should that not work.
[10:10] <_jon_> ys: go to macromedia.com and get the flash plugins
[10:10] <lt_kije> jriver: fdisk requires you to specify *partitions* (/dev/hda1) not just disks (/dev/hda)
[10:10] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: just do a ls -l in your home directory
[10:11] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: your group is probably the same as your user naem
[10:11] <jriver> _jon_: fatal error can't find drive
[10:11] <lt_kije> *name
[10:11] <brainchill> ys: add the universe channel to the synaptic repositories and search for flash
[10:11] <jriver> lt_kije: are you sure?  i think fdisk takes /dev/hda
[10:11] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: ok thanks
[10:11] <JDahl> jriver, yes - that could definitely be it... Many people have problems with SATA in kernel2.6/Debian (especially booting of a SATA)
[10:11] <brainchill> it will give you nonfree-flash-7.0 ... it's version 7 of the macromedia flash player
[10:11] <lt_kije> jriver: i guess so...i thought it didn't; sorry :-)
[10:12] <_jon_> jriver: i'm not sure, you might need a kernel module or a driver
[10:12] <jriver> JDahl: damn - that's not good news
[10:12] <jriver> _jon_: yeah, i thought about that, but i can find the drive in /proc
[10:12] <_jon_> just because the drive is there doesn't mean that it's being recognized correctly
[10:13] <jriver> _jon_: and i'm not sure where to start on finding a kernel module
[10:13] <hellmuth> Can Ubuntu communicate with Windows CE USB devices (PDAs)
[10:13] <_jon_> jriver: do you know the model number and such for the drive?
[10:13] <SmokingFire> mkreiserfs can also used to do a format?
[10:13] <jriver> _jon_: model: WDC AC28400R
[10:14] <SmokingFire> I just want to do a quick format
[10:14] <JDahl> jriver, ide-scsi, scsi-emu is apparently bugged in 2.6, there are many bugreports on it the Debian mailing lists. In particular, the stock mkinitrd is buggy and will in some cases break access to your root partition when you're booting of SATA. However, booting of an IDE and mounting a SATA should be fine
[10:14] <mjr> the mkfs programs don't format
[10:15] <ys> ERROR: Your architecture, \'ppc\', is not supported by the
[10:15] <ys>        Macromedia Flash Player installer
[10:15] <ys> should i just put the files manually into a directory?
[10:15] <jriver> JDahl: thanks - i guess i could try that.
[10:15] <ys> if so where? i use firefox
[10:16] <JDahl> jriver, oh - so you are booting of the SATA? what happens?
[10:16] <brainchill> hellmuth:use syncce to sync your pocketpc devices to evolution
[10:16] <mjr> ys, Macromedia doesn't support Linux/PPC. If you find this inconvenient, please ask them politely to publish the player as open source
[10:16] <jriver> JDahl: but i guess my MBR will still be on the SATA, is there a way to change that?
[10:16] <jriver> i don't know grub that well, but i guess i should learn
[10:16] <brainchill> hellmuth:there is a package for it in synaptic
[10:17] <jriver> JDahl: yeah, i boot off of the SATA, and it boots fine (in Suse or ubuntu) but the /dev/hda doesn't show up in ubuntu
[10:17] <JDahl> jriver, I am not sure... do you get kernel panic during boot because you cannot mount the root partition?
[10:17] <hellmuth> Thanks brainchill
[10:17] <ys> is ubuntu x86 too?
[10:17] <_jon_> jriver: i can't find anything on that drive that's recent as far as linux goes, sorry i can't be of much help
[10:17] <mjr> ys, yes
[10:17] <ys> :/
[10:17] <brainchill> hellmuth:it works really well ... I've got a dell axim with pocketpc 2003 and have never had a problem with it
[10:17] <hellmuth> Cool!
[10:17] <jriver> JDahl: no, ubuntu / (root) is on the SATA. the ide is just a data drive that i dearly need
[10:18] <hellmuth> brainchill: Synaptic doesn't find anything under "syncce"
[10:18] <kensai> anyway to make gdesklet start everytime I start Gnome?
[10:18] <brainchill> you have to add the universe channel to your repositories
[10:18] <JDahl> jriver, in that case, it's not the same problem I've in encountered...
[10:18] <brainchill> hellmuth: you have to add the universe channel to your repositories
[10:18] <jriver> JDahl: i guess that's good news....maybe
[10:19] <SmokingFire> how do I delete stuff from my waste basket if it requires root privileges.
[10:19] <hellmuth> brainchill, I have universe and multiverse.
[10:19] <JDahl> jriver, one thing I had to do to fix SATA was to boot with apci=off, but I doubt that will help you
[10:19] <jriver> it could just be a missing driver, but would ubuntu leave out the module for ide's
[10:19] <xenonite> kensai: run Computer->desktop settings> advanced > sessions or sth. like that
[10:19] <jriver> JDahl: thanks, it won't hurt for me to try that
[10:20] <brainchill> hellmuth: synce
[10:20] <brainchill> not syncce
[10:20] <hellmuth> brainchill: Aaaa thanks
[10:20] <brainchill> np
[10:21] <xenonite> can i change the x-server to another computer while the program is running_
[10:21] <kensai> xenonite: I'm there what I do now?
[10:21] <xenonite> sort of change the DISPLAY variable?
[10:21] <jriver> JDahl: i was thinking of making initrd just to make sure the module is there, but i don't want to go thru that if it's likely that the ide module is already there
[10:21] <brainchill> ls
[10:22] <xenonite> kensai: there is something like "run programs at start"
[10:22] <brainchill> hehe ... wrong window
[10:22] <kensai> xenonite: startup programs
[10:22] <kensai> ?
[10:22] <xenonite> jes
[10:22] <xenonite> thats it
[10:22] <kensai> xenonite: I add it there?
[10:22] <brainchill> brb .... gotta switch .. xchat sucks
[10:22] <xenonite> yes
[10:22] <hellmuth> brainchill: Okay, I've installed the synce stuff... how do I use it?
[10:22] <tom_> can someone tell me the package I need to d/l to  listen to mp3? I remember it starteed with a "G".. ^^;
[10:23] <Striss> GStreamer something or other
[10:23] <Striss> hmm
[10:23] <yann__> gstreamer
[10:23] <xenonite> can i change the x-server to another computer while the program is running? sort of change the DISPLAY-variable?
[10:23] <tom_> yeah, that was it :)
[10:23] <tom_> thanks
[10:23] <spektr> Hi, I'll try ubuntu tomorrow. Some questions: 1) will it overwrite the MBR without asking? 2) can I choose between lilo and grub at installation time? 3) does it support root and /boot on LVM?
[10:24] <mjr> tom_, gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:24] <bskahan> evolution 2.1 isn't built with debuggin symbols?
[10:24] <tom_> ah, thanks
[10:24] <Kal_Zakath> spektr : yes, no, it's grub, don't know
[10:24] <tom_> ^^ people are so helpful in here
[10:25] <tvon> Is inotify in the hoary kernel?
[10:25] <Kal_Zakath> spektr : 1) yes 2) no, it's grub 3) don't know (it's better)
[10:25] <spektr> Kal_Zakath: thanks - then 3) is also NO, because grub doesn't support booting from LVM
[10:25] <tom_> there, it works
[10:26] <Kal_Zakath> spektr: ok
[10:31] <ben_> where's the apmd config file?
[10:31] <darkpines> Can't you choose between lilo and grub if you use the expert install option?
[10:31] <ben_> there's an expert install option?
[10:31] <|trey|> spektr, /boot would need to be ext3 or something, / can (and usually is) LVM...
[10:32] <ben_> anyway, anyone kno where the apmd config file is?
[10:32] <|trey|> ben_, yes you type "expert"
[10:32] <zopi> Hi
[10:32] <|trey|> ben_, no idea... dpkg -l apmd.. look for something in /etc  :)
[10:33] <|trey|> ben_, dpkg -l apmd | grep /etc
[10:33] <brainchill> there's a /apm dir in /etc
[10:33] <zopi> I have tried to install Ubuntu on 1.4 Ghz 256 Mo with Matrox G400 and the installation is very slow (display)
[10:33] <zopi> same strange behaviour with the boot
[10:33] <brainchill> it looks like the config is seperated into multiple files depending on event
[10:33] <stuNNed> FINALLY got WPA to work :D
[10:33] <spektr> |trey|: you say that grub can boot from a ext3 /boot inside a LVM? Or do you mean that I need a separate /boot partition outside the LVM?
[10:33] <ben_> brainchill: was that to me?
[10:33] <brainchill> yes
[10:34] <zopi> any idea for the slow process ?
[10:34] <|trey|> spektr, no, not inside the LVM... /boot would just be ext3... you can't boot from LVM volumes.
[10:35] <epod> Ok, this makes no sense.  In totem-xine, if I click the file to open it, it plays fine, but if I go to the Movie menu and open the file, i get no sound
[10:35] <|trey|> epod, Xine sucks  *nods*
[10:35] <ben_> brainchill: how do i suggest i follow this than: http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-07/laptop_01.html
[10:35] <brainchill> epod:halucinations from 80s cocaine binges
[10:35] <spektr> |trey|: OK, I thought so. But the sarge pre-RC2 *can* boot from a LVM using lilo...
[10:35] <epod> |trey|, totem-gstreamer won't play xvid files though.
[10:35] <brainchill> ben:just a sec let me go look at it
[10:36] <|trey|> epod, I use mplayer...
[10:36] <|trey|> epod, gstreamer sucks currently for video playback...
[10:36] <Striss> it's all about mplayer
[10:36] <Striss> it rocks
[10:37] <epod> mplayer won't output with anything but gl2 for me
[10:37] <|trey|> Not enough codecs... most linux codecs are written for mplayer though, then xine just tried to make them work too...
[10:37] <epod> is there totem-mplayer?
[10:37] <|trey|> epod, no, gmplayer though...
[10:38] <Striss> gmplayer is what i use
[10:38] <Striss> compiled with oss, alsa and sdl
[10:38] <MagicFab> Hello
[10:38] <zopi> no idea ?
[10:38] <Striss> and esound of course
[10:38] <zopi> :(
[10:38] <ben_> brainchill: gotten anywhere yet?
[10:39] <stuNNed> Striss, you compiled gmplayer or installed binary?
[10:39] <Striss> compiled it
[10:39] <MagicFab> Looking for some help mounting a Kingston Data Traveler USB 2.0 (512mb) key
[10:39] <stuNNed> k thanks
[10:40] <|trey|> epod, some mplayer frontends (its actually a cli app): http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/projects.html
[10:40] <brainchill> ben:it looks completely different
[10:40] <Striss> epod, there's a really good guide on the ubuntu unofficial faqs and howto forum on how to get mplayer running good
[10:40] <MagicFab> I get this message in dmesg: usb 5-4: device not accepting address 8, error -71
[10:40] <ben_> :(
[10:40] <brainchill> ben:it looks like the article is written around redhat
[10:40] <Striss> i followed it and live by it
[10:40] <ben_> brainchill: so where is all that stuff on ubuntu?
[10:41] <brainchill> ben:sort of forget all of those instructions accept for a base idea and read /etc/apmd/apm_proxy
[10:41] <|trey|> Striss, only problem with that, is that it is outdated now... mplayer is in warty and hoary, shouldn't use external stuff anymore...
[10:41] <Striss> oh i didnt know it was in it
[10:41] <|trey|> Striss, its still telling people the way I used to tell people in here, which is no longer valid  :(
[10:41] <brainchill> ben:it looks like it lives there and the scripts for the events you define there live in the directories it sits in
[10:41] <shank_> how far aways is hoary?
[10:42] <_jon_> april
[10:42] <|trey|> shank_, I'm using it right now... but release is in april  :)
[10:42] <shank_> ok
[10:42] <Striss> i'm using it now too
[10:42] <ben_> brainchill: i don't have an /etc/apmd direcory
[10:42] <brainchill> ben: I have used linux for years but this is my first day with ubuntu or any debian derivitive so the filesystem layout is a bit different
[10:42] <brainchill> ben: no it's /etc/apm not apmd
[10:43] <ben_> so the apm and apmd stuff is all squished together?
[10:43] <Zubthemaster9> hey, can anyone tell me some software for linux that will convert .ogg format to .mp3? I know some in win, but no linux ones
[10:43] <|trey|> brainchill, try to think of where it would be logically, and you won't be far off  :)
[10:43] <Zubthemaster9> and the other way too lol
[10:43] <mirak> hi
[10:43] <mirak> I have a sound problem
[10:44] <mirak> well a no sound problem in fact
[10:44] <mirak> I have no sound
[10:44] <brainchill> ben: almost every linux distro does everything different .... very different .... I'm a regular slackware user but I have used a lot of different distros
[10:44] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, mp32ogg...
[10:44] <mirak> what must I do ?
[10:44] <Striss> what kinda system/soundcard do you have?
[10:44] <|trey|> mirak, was it ever working?
[10:44] <ddaa> mirak: look in wiki.ubuntlinux.com
[10:44] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, where can I get it?
[10:45] <mirak> sblive 5.1
[10:45] <ddaa> You may find some info.
[10:45] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, apt-get it
[10:45] <mirak> yes the sound was working fine
[10:45] <mirak> until I installed kde and amarok
[10:45] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, from synaptic you mean?
[10:45] <ddaa> Most audio adapters just work, so if yours is not recognized, it's probably documented.
[10:45] <|trey|> mirak, restart x... if that doesn't fix it, restart entirely...
[10:45] <Striss> could be an aRts problem
[10:45] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, umm, sure...
[10:45] <mirak> |trey|: I have done that already
[10:45] <mirak> Striss: gnome doesn't use arts
[10:45] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, what did you mean then?
[10:45] <shank_> yeah, its probably arts/esd fighting
[10:45] <Striss> yeah
[10:46] <ddaa> ++
[10:46] <shank_> mirak, kde and amarok do
[10:46] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, apt-get install mp32ogg
[10:46] <Striss> see if arts is running
[10:46] <Striss> if it is, kill it
[10:46] <ben_> how do i get out of a manuel?
[10:46] <Striss> ps aux | grep arts  i guess
[10:46] <ddaa> artsd, that is
[10:46] <Striss> yeah there you go
[10:46] <|trey|> Striss, arts is never running on Ubuntu...
[10:46] <Striss> he installed kde tho
[10:46] <|trey|> Striss, enless the person is retarded of course...
[10:46] <mirak> Striss: it's not running
[10:46] <mirak> Striss: nor esd
[10:47] <Striss> esd isnt running?
[10:47] <shank_> mirak, what's the problem exactly?
[10:47] <ddaa> mirak: try starting esd then
[10:47] <|trey|> Striss, even still, they should use esound for KDE too, would just make life easier..
[10:47] <ben_> anyone? how to get out of a manual?
[10:47] <brainchill> ben:look in /etc/acpi .. wow that does make sense
[10:47] <Striss> i just thought kde used arts automatically
[10:47] <mirak> ddaa: it says /dev/dsp doesn't exists
[10:47] <shank_> |trey|, he has a sblive, esd is a waste of cpu cycles
[10:47] <|trey|> Striss, he rebooted, /dev/dsp is definaly not in use...
[10:47] <mirak> shank_: I can't run alsa
[10:47] <Striss> that is odd
[10:47] <ddaa> ben_: what do you mean?
[10:47] <shank_> mirak, you can't run alsa?
[10:47] <ben_> brainchill: why would the apmd stuff be in acpi?
[10:47] <mirak> no
[10:47] <Striss> did something destroy /dev/dsp?
[10:47] <|trey|> mirak, from console... what does it say?
[10:48] <brainchill> ben:just look
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, what you mean you can't run alsa?
[10:48] <ben_> ddaa: i want to get out of something i got into using the 'man' command
[10:48] <mirak> /etc/init.d/alsa start  says ok, but ps -A |grep alsa
[10:48] <mirak> returns nothings
[10:48] <hellmuth> brainchill: I'm a bit lost here; how do you set up synce?
[10:48] <ddaa> ben_: press q
[10:48] <brainchill> the script /etc/acpi/events/battery is called when the paower is switched to battery
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, alsa isn't a program
[10:48] <ddaa> or Control-C
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, it doesn't have a daemon that runs all the time, alsa is a sound architecture
[10:48] <mirak> shank_: what is it ?
[10:48] <mirak> ah
[10:48] <|trey|> mirak, I said when you run arts/esd... does it give an error?
[10:49] <Anaximander> Hi everyone, could someonw help a complete idiot with GRUB issues?
[10:49] <|trey|> Anaximander, I can try, sure...
[10:49] <ddaa> Anaximander: just ask
[10:49] <mirak> |trey|: I told you it returns /dev/dsp doesn't exists
[10:49] <mirak> /dev/dsp: No such device
[10:49] <shank_> mirak, luckily you don't need esd
[10:49] <shank_> just don't use it
[10:49] <ben_> brainchill: you sure? remember, I have acpi off and apm on...
[10:49] <ddaa> mirak: sounds like something unloaded your audio kernel module... weird.
[10:49] <|trey|> mirak, ahh... you modprobed the device again? this time put it in /etc/modules...
[10:50] <Anaximander> Thanks. Well I install grub to Hdc, where ubuntu lives. I don't want it on my MBR on Hda, as its never done anything but make my windows partition unavailable. Problem is, when its on Hdc it doesnt seem to want to do anything
[10:50] <mirak> |trey|: I didn't mod probed it again, but I lsmoded and it seems it's here
[10:50] <ddaa> mirak: maybe "sudo /etc/init.d/discover"
[10:50] <shank_> mirak, is snd_pcm_oss loaded?
[10:51] <brainchill> ben_:acpi makes sense because that's the kernel module that is needed for power management
[10:51] <mirak> shank_: yes
[10:51] <|trey|> mirak, try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp0' and tell me if you here static?
[10:51] <ben_> ok...
[10:51] <|trey|> mirak, might be the symlink is gone, thats why...
[10:51] <ddaa> Anaximander: I am not familiar enough with that to help, sorry.
[10:51] <mirak> |trey|: cat: Erreur d'criture.: Aucun espace disponible sur le priphrique
[10:52] <Anaximander> Why not use LILO? I mean I know its not as cool and everything but at least it works
[10:52] <mirak> |trey|: this means write error, no space available on the device
[10:52] <Striss> write error
[10:53] <|trey|> ddaa, when Anaximander comes back, point him at: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:53] <|trey|> mirak, I dunno man... thats weird  :(
[10:54] <ddaa> |trey|: thanks
[10:55] <|trey|> grr @ people that ask questions, then don't stick around long enough to get an answer  :(
[10:55] <sivang> zopi : is this a laptop?
[10:56] <sivang> zopi : if so, please tell me what brand
[11:04] <brainchill> -exec "${APMD_BIN}" -- -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy
[11:05] <brainchill> that's the line that starts apmd so the /etc/apm bits are definitely the apmd configurations
[11:06] <tom__> erm, are you supposed to install drivers for your graphics card with Ubuntu?
[11:06] <tom__> because I just tried installing UT2K3 and.. wow
[11:07] <hypa7ia> tom__: generally yes... what card do you have?
[11:07] <tom__> Radeon 9200
[11:07] <tom__> you think I should?
[11:07] <tom__> because when I started the game, it looked like a giant mess
[11:07] <tom__> then froze
[11:08] <hypa7ia> yeah, cuz you don't have /any/ hw acceleration :-)
[11:08] <hypa7ia> sudo apt-get install fglrx-drivers
[11:09] <tom__> does apt-get mean get through synaptic btw?
[11:09] <hypa7ia> orr rather, follow the howto
[11:09] <hypa7ia> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:09] <hypa7ia> synaptic is a frontend for apt-get :-)
[11:09] <tom__> oh, can't just d/l off ATO's website then?
[11:09] <tom__> *ATI
[11:09] <hypa7ia> nah, the package is much easier
[11:09] <tom__> kk
[11:09] <hypa7ia> plus then synaptic / apt will do your updating for you :-)
[11:10] <tom__> so before synaptic was around.. there was something similar to it?
[11:11] <tom__> huh, there doesn't seem to be any drivers in the repositories>.<
[11:11] <tom__> not for radeon anyways..
[11:11] <hypa7ia> oh, you need to fic your apt sourcesthen
[11:11] <hypa7ia> before there was synaptic, people used aptitude or just apt-get
[11:12] <tom__> ahh, linux history ^^
[11:12] <hypa7ia> aptitude is a curses program (text-based)
[11:12] <tom__> hmmmm
[11:12] <hypa7ia> and apt-get is just command line
[11:12] <tom__> I see
[11:12] <hypa7ia> if i just have one thing to install i uually just use apt-get
[11:12] <ions> should ubuntu mount all the harddrives in my system during install or is that something I have to do?
[11:13] <hypa7ia> ions: you have to edit /etc/fstab i think
[11:13] <hypa7ia> i had to anyway
[11:13] <tom__> lol, stab
[11:13] <tom__> hehe, you know more than me at least
[11:13] <ions> ahh ok
[11:13] <ions> I thought they were automatically mounted :\
[11:14] <tom__> so, how can I change my sources?
[11:14] <tom__> besides usingh the repositories that are there by default
[11:14] <hypa7ia> well, you can jsust edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:14] <tom__> ahh, I C
[11:14] <tom__> and where is that?
[11:14] <hypa7ia> i think for fglrx you jsut need to add....
[11:14] <hypa7ia> restircted
[11:14] <hypa7ia> erl
[11:14] <hypa7ia> errk restricted
[11:15] <hypa7ia> canna spell!
[11:15] <tom__> ehehe
[11:15] <tom__> well taht;s fine
[11:15] <tom__> I can't use linux that even worse
[11:15] <ions> bluefish isn't in synaptic?!
[11:15] <tom__> bluefish??
[11:15] <hypa7ia> heh, i've only beenusing it for a month man
[11:15] <hypa7ia> ions: i think it
[11:15] <tom__> ahhhh
[11:16] <hypa7ia> errr
[11:16] <ions> html editor dealie
[11:16] <hypa7ia> i think it;s n universe ions
[11:16] <tom__> argh!!
[11:16] <hypa7ia> noooo
[11:16] <hypa7ia> it's there, i just went through this thois morning :-)
[11:17] <lance> tom_ apt-cache search fgl
[11:17] <lance> then you will find the name of the package you need to install for the ati
[11:17] <hypa7ia> he needs to edit his sources tho
[11:17] <tom__> have no idea how to use apt-get though
[11:17] <ions> crap, I gotta get Gentoo back on here ASAP
[11:18] <calvin> hi , does anyone know if the package MONODEVELOP is still avail on ubuntu.archives ?? i find all the other mono packages but not the IDE ?????
[11:18] <ions> oops ^ wrong room
[11:18] <hypa7ia> cali recall seeing it in universe
[11:18] <jdub> ions: bluefish is in universe.
[11:18] <hypa7ia> haha nice one ions
[11:18] <lance> should already be in there if he has warty
[11:18] <hypa7ia> not the proprietary driver lance
[11:18] <tom__> well, all the supositories are selected
[11:19] <ions> heh I like Ubuntu very much - I meant nothing by that really :)
[11:19] <tom__> erm, repositories
[11:19] <calvin> i unchecked the # to get the ubuntu universe pkg's but monodevelop is missing !!! any ideas ?
[11:19] <lance> we are taling about the same driver
[11:19] <hypa7ia> maybe you need multiverse :-)
[11:19] <jdub> calvin: monodevelop is available in tseng's repository - see the wiki
[11:19] <tom__> er, you sure I don't need proprietary?
[11:20] <calvin> tx jdub .. is that the same repository as the eclipse stuff ?
[11:20] <jdub> no
[11:20] <tseng> ive gained the awful title of "breakmyubuntu"
[11:20] <tseng> on the wiki
[11:20] <jdub> tseng: ugh.
[11:20] <tseng> ya =/
[11:20] <hypa7ia> tom__: yes, that's is
[11:20] <hypa7ia> err it
[11:21] <tom__> so it IS then, right?
[11:21] <calvin> tseng .. hahah .. so shall i try ya repository 4 monodevelop ? .. without breaking my setup ?
[11:21] <tseng> calvin: it wont break anything
[11:21] <jdub> tseng: you're welcome to fix that
[11:21] <tseng> there is an upstream bug in monodevelop
[11:21] <lance> tom_ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=Radeon
[11:21] <tseng> but nothing serious
[11:22] <calvin> tseng .. erm .. i will log this # incase  i need my laywer 2 sue u :) ..tx anyways
[11:22] <hypa7ia> tom__: msg me, we'll get the sources thing figgered out
[11:22] <lance> this is a really good HOWTO telling you exactyl what you need to do to install the drivers.
[11:22] <hypa7ia> it doesn't tell you where they are tho, lance.  i already sent him there
[11:22] <tom__> mes? like, query?
[11:22] <tom__> *msg
[11:22] <logan2048> I am trying to get a CNet Pro200 ethernet card to work in Ubuntu..  tried modprobe dmfe, but didn't work.  Anyone have any ideas?
[11:23] <lance> hypa7ia, tom_ the packages are there in the defaul, standard apt.sources with warty
[11:23] <calvin> tseng .. is ya repository the : www.getsweaaa.com one ?
[11:24] <hypa7ia> lance then why is a search in synaptics not turning them up for him?  and also why fdo they not have the little ubuntu circile in my synaptics?
[11:25] <lance> I can search my synaptic, and apt-cache search flgx and I find them.  I have not touched my apt.sources
[11:25] <hypa7ia> flgx != fglrx
[11:26] <lance> hypa7ia are you sure about that?
[11:26] <hypa7ia> pretty sure
[11:26] <lance> one tricky thing about synaptic is how it searches.  I search for radeon as a name will not find anything, but with radeon in the description will find something
[11:27] <hypa7ia> this is the ATI binary driver we're talking about
[11:27] <lance> yeah, the ATI binary driver for the Radeon cards, fglrx-control, fglrx-driver
[11:27] <hypa7ia> yup
[11:27] <HcE> does the control work now?
[11:27] <tom__> so then, should I search for that?
[11:27] <hypa7ia> in my synaptics it is in restricted
[11:27] <tom__> instead of "radeon"?
[11:27] <HcE> <-- ATI user for ~1 year
[11:28] <lance> yes, search for fglrx as the name, or as radeon in the description
[11:28] <desp> sigh
[11:28] <tom__> ok
[11:29] <tom__> got 3 result under
[11:29] <tom__> fglrs
[11:29] <tom__> *x
[11:29] <jdub> anyone on a laptop,
[11:29] <jdub> grep -h voltage /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state
[11:29] <lance> the fglrx-driver, when you select it, tells you that it is the video drivers for the ATI
[11:29] <jdub> paste please :)
[11:30] <b_e_n_z> present voltage:         11340 mV
[11:30] <hypa7ia> jdub: i get nada
[11:30] <tom__> K lance, downloading
[11:31] <Phr0stByte> Can any1 tell me how to shutdown x?
[11:31] <hypa7ia> but my dsdt is broken and i neet to patch the kernel
[11:31] <tom__> a bit sluggish for some reason
[11:31] <hypa7ia> or so they say at http://m6n.ath.cx/
[11:31] <jdub> b_e_n_z: what kinda laptop?
[11:31] <desp> Phr0stByte: ctrl-alt-backspace?
[11:31] <b_e_n_z> jdub: toshiba satellite 1415-S105
[11:32] <lance> tom_ have you already read the HOWTO?  would be a good idea to read it while you are waiting for the download
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> desp: no - that shuts it down for a sec, then throws the gdm logon scrren at me
[11:32] <tom__> installed it
[11:32] <tom__> OK, I'm gonna go test these drivers now
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> LinucJones: thanx
[11:32] <tom__> nvm, apparently there is more
[11:32] <tom__> ehehe
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, ;)
[11:32] <desp> aha
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> LinucJones: nVidia update =)
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, good man :D
[11:33] <SmokingFire> does soundjuicer also submit to freedb?
[11:34] <SmokingFire> freecddb
[11:34] <jdub> SmokingFire: it uses musicbrainz
[11:34] <logan2048> does anyone have experience with getting the dmfe \ Cnet Pro200 Nic to work?  I'm really stuck on this.
[11:35] <SmokingFire> jdub: thats cool but does it submit also to it? I have some cds that are not reconized. I want to add them.
[11:35] <LinuxJones> logan2048, is the module loaded already ?
[11:35] <jdub> SmokingFire: no
[11:36] <SmokingFire> jdub: that sucks, well will see if I can submit them another way.
[11:36] <logan2048> LinuxJones, yeah, it seems to be.  It says it's loaded when the system boots up, but I'm ignorant of a sure way of checking.
[11:36] <jacob> The JAva platform that comes with Ubuntu is a purely non-sun implementation (GCJ) right ?
[11:36] <LinuxJones> logan2048, lsmod | grep modulename
[11:36] <jdub> SmokingFire: musicbrainz doesn't work the same way that freeddb does
[11:36] <chibifs> grrr <,<
[11:37] <jdub> jacob: there's not a lot of java at all
[11:37] <chibifs> Smart Boot Manager isn't picking up my cdrom drive ;.;
[11:37] <logan2048> I get dmfe 18844 0 and the next line crc32 4608 2 dmfe,tulip
[11:37] <jacob> jdub, okay, but I can compile and run even Swing based apps, so it seems like theres a lot... Just wondering how well GCJ performs compared to Suns own implementation
[11:38] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok the module is loaded, is the card listed in >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking ?
[11:39] <logan2048> Yeah, it's listred, but when one goes to Activate it, the checkmark comes up for about three seconds then disappears.
[11:39] <SmokingFire> anyone has isntalled gparted?
[11:39] <stodge> Ok I'm confused. I'm trying to install the QT includes. Synaptic shows libqt3c102 as being installed, but it only shows libqt3-dev for the dev package. Are these the same version of QT?
[11:40] <SmokingFire> I'm trying to install the package gparted_0.0.6-1ubuntu25_i386.deb that I downloaded from gparted site with "dpkg -i gparted_0.0.6-1ubuntu25_i386.deb" but I get error messages
[11:40] <SmokingFire> with sudo off course
[11:41] <spiv> jdub: I don't have BAT*, I have C138 and C139...
[11:41] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: missing deps?
[11:41] <jmhodges> hm..
[11:42] <jdub> spiv: got present voltage values?
[11:42] <SmokingFire> hypa7ia: thought so but
[11:42] <SmokingFire> the error is: gparted depends on libparted1.6-12 (>= 1.6.0); however:
[11:42] <SmokingFire>   Package libparted1.6-12 is not installed.
[11:42] <jmhodges> does anyone know if its a simple task to rotate the screen of an X session (and perhaps even a linux console?)
[11:42] <jmhodges> i doubt it is on the latter..
[11:42] <spiv> jdub: $ grep -h voltage /proc/acpi/battery/C13*/state
[11:42] <spiv> present voltage:         12494 mV
[11:42] <SmokingFire> but libparted1.6.0 is installed and also liparted-dev
[11:42] <jdub> jmhodges: xrandr
[11:42] <jdub> spiv: ta
[11:43] <jmhodges> jdub: ah, of course, im so forgetful
[11:44] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: is it maybe not recent enough?
[11:44] <SmokingFire> should have 1.6.12 then?
[11:44] <logan2048> LinuxJones, any idea why this activation setting isn't working correctly?
[11:44] <SmokingFire> but the error says bigger then or equal to 1.6.0
[11:45] <LinuxJones> logan2048, is the card listed in >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking ?
[11:45] <Billox> hello
[11:45] <Billox> I have a problem with ubuntu X server, I can't get it to go above 1024x768
[11:45] <logan2048> LinuxJones, yes it is; when I go to activate it, it stays checked for three seconds and then unactivates.
[11:46] <b_e_n_z> Billox: check /etc/X11/XF86Config
[11:46] <Billox> I created a new XF86Config
[11:46] <Billox> and that didnt start at all
[11:46] <LinuxJones> logan2048, under properties is the device set correctly. (ie dhcp or static ip addressing)
[11:46] <Billox> then I replaced it the old one that I had backed up
[11:46] <Billox> and now I only get 640x480
[11:46] <Billox> Ive no idea what is going on :)
[11:46] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: i don't know, i told you all i could think of :-/
[11:47] <SmokingFire> hypa7ia: ok thanks
[11:47] <logan2048> LinuxJones, I have tried it both ways, neither seem to work, though either should.
[11:47] <mroth> has anyone managed to do an in-place install over debian sarge without causing massive havoc in the universe?
[11:47] <LinuxJones> logan2048, you have 2 network cards in that machine ?
[11:48] <lance> mroth what would the point of that be?
[11:48] <logan2048> LinuxJones: No, only one.
[11:48] <b_e_n_z> Billox: how did you create it
[11:48] <Billox> using xf86config
[11:48] <mroth> lance: switching from debian to ubuntu without a full reinstall
[11:48] <Billox> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:48] <LinuxJones> logan2048, it is connected to a router I would assume :)
[11:48] <Billox> but that wouldnt write out the file for some reason
[11:48] <hypa7ia> mroth: i don't think so
[11:49] <Xenguy> hey folks - currently clearing data on an old 8Gb HD to try a test install of Ubuntu.  Question: does Ubuntu install a firewall by default at all?  More generally, I'm wondering if Ubuntu does any 'security-oriented' setup for a fresh install that, say, Debian does not?
[11:49] <Billox> Im using an intel i740 card and a hitachi CM811plus 21" screen
[11:49] <carlos> Xenguy: the default setup is "all ports closed"
[11:49] <logan2048> LinuxJones, it is connected (wired) to a Linksys WRT54G, wireless access point and router. heh.
[11:49] <Xenguy> carlos: so far so good :-)
[11:49] <yann__> carlos: well smtp is open by default as i noticed
[11:49] <lance> mroth, make backups of your config files and give it a shot.  but you can bet on something being broken
[11:49] <LinuxJones> logan2048, does ifconfig -a list your card ?
[11:50] <SmokingFire> what does it mean when ./configure can't find install.sh or install-sh but its right there under its nose?
[11:50] <b_e_n_z> carlos: you mean iptables close all the ports?
[11:51] <carlos> yann__: not sure about smtp, but the usual is listen only in loopback device
[11:51] <logan2048> LinuxJones, it lists eth0, which is supposed to be the card..
[11:51] <carlos> b_e_n_z: no
[11:51] <b_e_n_z> so there's no firewall on a default install
[11:51] <yann__> carlos: how can i find that out? it answered to an nmap -P0 localhost
[11:52] <logan2048> LinuxJones, when I go to Computer > System Config > Device Manager, it is listed there as well.
[11:52] <GnuHippy> is x.org out yet?
[11:52] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok you need to make sure that the card is set up to use dhcp (don't activate the card just click ok)
[11:52] <carlos> netstat -a should show you the ports open and also the current connections
[11:52] <spiv> jdub: fwiw, from Mary's laptop: present voltage:         12089 mV
[11:52] <b_e_n_z> GnuHippy: yea i am using it on a different distro
[11:52] <yann__> just did an nmap from a different box, all ports are close
[11:52] <yann__> de
[11:52] <logan2048> LinuxJones, okay...
[11:52] <andril> hello all
[11:52] <stuNNed> what is the best firewall solution for ubuntu?
[11:52] <GnuHippy> do you have .debs of it?
[11:52] <andril>  I need help with sound
[11:53] <LinuxJones> logan2048, when you've done that do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:53] <andril> Just installed "Audio Excel 6 channel PCI Sound card"
[11:54] <Xenguy> stuNNed: as a debian user (getting ready to try Ubuntu) I have found 'shorewall' to work very well
[11:54] <andril> c-media 8738 to be exact  - any help?
[11:54] <Xenguy> stuNNed: I assume that 'shorewall' is apt-get'able with Ubuntu also
[11:55] <logan2048> LinuxJones, okay, I left the networking dialog, and did the networking restart commant..  came back with ok on ip spoofing protection and network interfaces.
[11:55] <stuNNed> Xenguy, ok thanks
[11:55] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok fire up firefox and see if it works
[11:55] <Xenguy> stuNNed: yw - there are other approaches too of course (I'm open to suggestions myself :-)
[11:56] <Billox> can anyone tell me what program and/or files control the gnome-display-properties applet?
[11:56] <logan2048> LinuxJones, hrrm..  it just sits there trying to resolve the host.. but it doesn't come back with a cannot be found message immediately like it did.
[11:58] <LinuxJones> logan2048, in console ping cnet.com