[00:49] <firtvid20> Ah, just remember the next meeting was next Tuesday lol
[00:49] <firtvid20> Missed out on last months
[00:50] <firtvid20> Who has crossover here?
[00:57] <firtvid20> I think everyone is idle...
[01:14] <firtvid20> So no one uses crossover?
[01:17] <firtvid20> !quit
[01:17] <firtvid20> Woops
[04:29] <jfer> hi does anyone know what the shipping times and cost are like from canonical?
[04:39] <elky> to australia? not wonderful. last time i checked it exceeded what i wanted to order, so i didn't order.
[04:40] <elky> I'd imagine times would be 7-10 days to capitals, a bit longer to regional, much longer to country.
[04:41] <elky> but that's based on general experience with international shipping of stuff
[04:44] <nisshh> jfer, also depends what your shipping from them, if its shipit CD's then itll be more like 6-8 weeks
[08:27] <jfer_> hi all
[08:29] <head_victim> Gday jfer_
[08:44] <jfer_> i asked a question earlier and nobody seemed available to answer it
[08:44] <jfer_> does anyone know what canonical charges for shipping?
[08:44] <jfer_> i was thinking of getting a messenger bag
[08:46] <nisshh> jfer_, canonical dont charge for shipping it depends entirely on the method of shipping, the location and the item
[08:47] <nisshh> they should have shipping details in the web shop though
[08:47] <head_victim> If you add it to your cart and go to checkout it should show shipping options and changes. It iwll ask you to confirm before you HAVE to buy the item
[08:48] <head_victim> I've bought numerous things from the store over the years.
[08:52] <elky> jfer_, shipping costs will differ depending on various things. Such as how fast. How heavy the load of stuff you get is. The phase of moon.
[08:52] <nisshh> jfer_, there you go, what head_victim said
[08:53] <elky> That's not just for canonical, either.
[08:53] <elky> Yeah, and what head_victim said. I do that several times a week; they can't take your money unless you click the button that pretty much says "take my money".
[08:54] <head_victim> He's pinged out again
[08:54]  * head_victim waves to nisshh and elky anyway
[08:54] <elky> ohai.
[08:57] <head_victim> Do you have any preference for when/where the social is for LCA? No one has commented either way about anything too much
[09:03] <nisshh> hey head_victim
[13:50] <zipperhead> can any one please help me , my panel icons are moving around by them self even if i lock them
[14:16] <chesty> there are different types of panel icons, can you elucidate?
[14:18] <zipperhead> hey
[14:18] <zipperhead> sorry its the ones that  are in main panel
[14:18] <zipperhead> like where time is
[14:18] <zipperhead> eg my network icon always jumps up and down across panels
[14:18] <zipperhead> even tho its locked
[14:22] <chesty> the colourless ones? they expand depending on what programs are running or have alerts
[14:24] <zipperhead> no just normal icons
[14:24] <zipperhead> like Network icon
[14:24] <zipperhead> or sound icon in ur panel
[14:25] <chesty> aren't they colourless? they are in my panel, on the top right hand side?
[14:27] <chesty> anyway, there's a thing called notification icons, they expand and shrink and possibly kick other icons out of the way when they expand
[14:28] <zipperhead> but my notification area in on my second panel
[14:28] <zipperhead> i didnt put notification area on first panel
[14:29] <chesty> don't know, stick around, someone else might know
[14:29] <zipperhead> tnx


[09:23] <svij> dholbach: popey: hey hey, can we do another ubucon call later today? I need some help/opinions
[09:23] <dholbach> hey svij
[09:24] <dholbach> svij, how about before lunch? I have calls right after lunch until my EOD
[09:24] <dholbach> popey, ^ do you have time?
[09:24] <svij> I'm at the uni until ~2pm, so can only do after 3pm (german time)
[09:26] <dholbach> ok, then I can't make it today
[09:26] <dholbach> maybe mhall119 and popey have time afterwards?
[09:37] <Mister_Q> svij I'm not invited ? :D
[09:38] <svij> Mister_Q: nah, I need proper help
[09:38] <svij> just kidding :D
[09:39]  * Mister_Q kicks svij
[11:10] <popey> svij: dholbach sure,
[11:11] <svij> popey: cool, when do you have time?
[11:12] <popey> for you, anytime
[11:12] <svij> awww
[11:13] <popey> however, i have a call at 15:00 UTC (with mhall119 and others) for 1 hour
[11:13] <popey> So realistically 16:00 UTC for me and mike as we both have calls before that
[11:13]  * svij checks UTC times…
[11:14] <svij> ok should work for me at 16:00 UTC
[11:14] <svij> Mister_Q: what about you?
[11:15]  * Mister_Q checks calendar
[11:16] <Mister_Q> 16:00 UTC is fine for me I have a few calls before
[11:16] <Mister_Q> that
[11:18] <popey> do you want to create a hangout in your calendar and invite us, whoever is available will come.
[11:18] <svij> will do
[11:18] <popey> thanks
[11:19] <svij> done
[15:22] <mhall119> svij: would you like an hour to talk about UbuCon Europe during UOS on the 15th or 16th?
[15:31] <svij> mhall119: um, we could, yes.
[15:31] <svij> better on 15th
[15:43] <mhall119> svij: can you propose it to the community track on summit.ubuntu.com?
[15:44] <svij> mhall119: I can, yes
[15:44] <mhall119> thanks svij
[16:01] <popey> mhall119: joining us?
[16:02] <popey> Mister_Q: poke
[16:07] <mhall119> popey: svij on my way


[00:44] <fginther> wgrant, yes. any idea what might be causing the 401 Unauthorized error here: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-saucy-armhf-ci/5/console
[00:45] <fginther> wgrant, it's intermittent, the same exact job will pass if retried
[00:46] <fginther> it's a relatively new issue, I don't recall seeing it prior to this week. Now they are fairly frequent
[00:46] <wgrant> fginther: Nothing's changed on the Launchpad size
[00:46] <wgrant> side
[00:46] <wgrant> There are two rules when Launchpad checks OAuth timestamps:
[00:46] <wgrant>  - The timestamp must be within 60 minutes of the current time.
[00:46] <wgrant>  - The timestamp must be no more than 60 seconds older than the latest request from the same OAuth token.
[00:47] <wgrant> In this case, the second criterion is failing.
[00:47] <wgrant> You're making a request with a timestamp that's a minute older than some other request with the same token.
[00:47] <wgrant> Perhaps the slave's system clock is incorrect.
[00:47] <fginther> wgrant, let me check
[00:49] <fginther> wgrant, it does appear to be 10 minutes behind
[00:50] <wgrant> That'd do it.
[00:50] <fginther> wgrant, thanks for the help
[00:50] <wgrant> np
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:48] <apw> pitti, these started recently i assume, can you tell what kernel did not show these issues 'before'
[07:50] <apw> pitti, as the recent kernel upload on the face of it does not have any ext4 changes at least
[07:55] <apw> pitti, so perhaps what i need is an example of the test that is failing that i can try and run here
[08:33] <zequence> Anyone available for a fairly simple upload (artwork update)? lp:ubuntustudio-menu
[08:34] <Laney> zequence: I recommend that you file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors
[08:38] <zequence> Laney: Right. Thanks
[10:48] <doko> mwhudson, are you porting libgo to aarch64?
[11:09] <doko> cjwatson, is Gerhard Fuchs still supposed to maintain packages.ubuntu.com?
[11:13] <cjwatson> doko: Gerfried; but yes, I believe so
[12:36] <pitti> Good morning
[12:36] <Ursinha> good morning pitti
[12:39] <pitti> apw: so far I know https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-adt-firefox/150, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-adt-update-manager/93, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-skimage/6/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/
[12:39] <pitti> apw: it only seems to affect amd64, and their syslogs have all rather random messages like that
[12:40] <pitti> apw: it seems to trigger with lots of I/O, like installing lots of dependencies with dpkg and all that
[12:41] <pitti> apw: haven't examined in more detail yet (sorry, plumbers conf and all that jazz)
[12:55] <apw> pitti, those were the only three i could find also, can we get one of them rerun, as i have run the skimage one 20 times without reproducing it
[12:55] <apw> pitti, following the instructions in your wiki on the subject
[12:56] <pitti> apw: these VMs run on precise, perhaps that's related?
[12:56] <pitti> apw: yes, I'll try to re-run the three, at least to get some more patterns
[12:56] <apw> pitti, sounds good
[12:57] <pitti> running now
[12:57] <apw> pitti, testing on a raring system indeed, so that might relate
[12:58] <apw> pitti, that tends to imply it is not the payload kernel in this case of course ...
[13:00] <pitti> apw: or that some of the assumptions it makes aren't valid any more on top of an old kernel or so?
[13:00] <pitti> apw: u-manager failed again (link coming)
[13:01] <apw> pitti, are we able to run these against older kernel easily, as they seem to have appeared so suddenly
[13:01] <apw> pitti, and we prolly need to ask the host if it changed kernel recently as well
[13:02] <apw> pitti, feel free to pass me on to whoever owns that box to ask
[13:02] <pitti> apw: jibel and I do, but I'm afraid my day today is packed with plumber conf stuff
[13:03] <pitti> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-update-manager/94/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/ is the new failure (look at syslog)
[13:04] <pitti> apw: ah sorry, unrelated this time; it didn't even get that far, pykde got uninstallable
[13:04] <pitti> so let's wait for the other two
[13:06] <apw> pitti, ok
[13:09] <pitti> apw: hah, skimage succeeded now; so what kind of sun rays hit us this time..
[13:10] <apw> pitti, indeed, can we tell which host ran the previous ones (is it the same one, ie is there more than one)
[13:10] <apw> pitti, i suspect some poking of the host is appropriate
[13:10] <pitti> apw: yes, we can
[13:10] <pitti> need to run now, sorry
[13:10] <apw> pitti, np, that the reruns are working takes the pressure off
[13:25] <cjwatson> infinity: I rebuilt some Fortran packages for gfortran 4.8, but I don't think that's the scilab problem after all - I think it's a missing build-dep or some other similar thing that was on the Debian maintainer's system when they built the package.  I filed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=723644
[13:26] <cjwatson> infinity: If you can figure out https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpich2/1.4.1-4.2ubuntu2/+build/5025697, that would be good.  I've tried it three times, and each time it's mysteriously SIGILLed somewhere in the middle of debhelper.
[13:26] <cjwatson> infinity: Which would make a lot more sense to me if it were, you know, doing anything odd there.
[13:30] <apw> cjwatson, there is a strong correlation between the explosions and collect2 in that log
[13:30] <apw> cjwatson, whre you see the command and a real looking error rather than "in your output was" messages
[13:34] <cjwatson> apw: Oh, you think it's dodgy output ordering?  Very odd for it to terminate at that particular point in debhelper though
[13:36] <apw> cjwatson, yeah that last one could be real, there are a lot of collec2 make failures as well with sigill and sigsegv as well before we get that far
[13:36] <cjwatson> I guess dh_installmime is the last thing in that particular cdbs make target
[13:36] <cjwatson> So it could be make failing and not debhelper, but that's still WTF.  Why isn't everything else failing to build then?
[13:37] <cjwatson> It's failed on three different builders
[13:37] <apw> yeah, most odd indeed
[13:37] <apw> did we get a new compiler by any chance recently
[13:38] <cjwatson> Other things are working fine
[13:39] <apw> makes no sense indeed
[13:40] <cjwatson> Indeed there's a test rebuild fairly happily chunking through
[13:42] <apw> i wonder if they are assertions failing, a c assert drops one of those doesn't it
[13:44] <cjwatson> apw: That usually raises SIGABRT
[13:44] <apw> bah not that then
[13:46]  * apw woudl like to know if the buildd in question is producing any dmesg noise to go with it
[13:46] <apw> alignement for instance
[14:26] <bdrung> chrisccoulson: why did you bump the epoch in thunderbird?
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> bdrung, because we already manually added one to the language pack binaries (carried over from when they came from a separate source), and it was either that or add extra hacks to manually add an epoch to the -dbgsym binary packages too
[14:28] <bdrung> okay
[14:38] <dobey> pitti, jibel: how do i see what triggered a certain autopkgtest run?
[14:47] <dobey> bah, i guess rdepends autopkgtets breaking doesn't block packages after all :(
[14:47] <Laney> which?
[14:50] <dobey> Laney: or maybe the previous "exit with non-zero when allow-stderr" bug was the issue. but new squid3 and new python-oauthlib broke a couple of the u1 packages autopkgtests :(
[15:05] <slangasek> dobey: which packages?
[15:05] <dobey> slangasek: ubuntu-sso-client and ubuntuone-control-panel
[15:08] <slangasek> ok.  python-ubuntu-sso-client certainly depends on python-oauthlib, which should be enough to make an ubuntu-sso-client adt failure block python-oauthlib migration.  However, the last update of python-oauthlib happened on Sep 3, and the ubuntu-sso-client build failures didn't start happening until Sep 10?
[15:08] <slangasek> so which package actually caused the regression?
[15:08] <dobey> slangasek: eh? it was synced to ubuntu on sept 9, and copied into the release pocket on the 10th
[15:09] <slangasek> dobey: ah - sorry, I was trying to go by the changelog, which of course only shows the Debian upload date
[15:09] <dobey> slangasek: but there was also a bug in adt-run that caused the tests to 'pass' even though they should have failed, which looks like it probably landed on the 10th, which is when the tests start failing
[15:10] <slangasek> ah
[15:10] <dobey> squid was updated on the 2nd, so it probably also slipped in due to the adt-run bug
[15:10] <slangasek> ok
[15:10] <dobey> :(
[15:10] <ochosi> slangasek: sorry bout that
[15:10] <Laney> yeah you got a passing run with the new oauthlib
[15:11] <ochosi> slangasek: so the thing is that there seems to be a cross-flavors issue with logout taking ~8secs (even on fast machines)
[15:11] <ochosi> slangasek: i noticed in xubuntu, then similar issues were reported/confirmed by ubuntu-gnome users, ubuntu users, lubuntu users
[15:11] <ochosi> slangasek: as there was a switch to logind (and in our case, xfce4-session was patched to support logind), i was wondering whether sessions need more work for logind
[15:13] <slangasek> ochosi: logind isn't meant to be in the critical path for session teardown.  When the hangs happen, what processes from the user session are still left running?
[15:13] <ochosi> slangasek: it's a bit hard to say for me, tbh i wasn't entirely able to debug it (and Laney mentioned that this hasn't been debugged yet in ubuntu either)
[15:14] <ochosi> slangasek: i checked xfce-session (as in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4) but there wasn't anything suspicious, i also checked lightdm's logs
[15:15] <slangasek> debbugged in Ubuntu?  Has it been reproduced in Ubuntu?
[15:16] <slangasek> ah, yes, you said
[15:16] <ochosi> well i haven't *personally* reproduced it in ubuntu
[15:16] <slangasek> are all of the affected flavors using upstart user sessions now?
[15:16] <ochosi> but it was confirmed to me
[15:16] <ochosi> i think so, but i can also say for xubuntu for sure
[15:22] <slangasek> ochosi: so my first guess would be that some user upstart job is not shutting down cleanly when asked, leading to timeouts with the session teardown; it could be related to logind, though I don't see any particular reason why
[15:22] <slangasek> debugging this probably involves either taking snapshots of the process state from outside the login session and seeing what's running when, or putting debug "echo"s in each of the upstart jobs
[15:24] <ochosi> hm, i'm not sure i'm technically fit to take care of that
[15:25] <ochosi> i mostly suggested logind, because i realized it was new and used by all flavors
[15:25] <ochosi> (so it was more an idea than an informed conjecture)
[15:28] <slangasek> ochosi: are there open bug reports about this?
[15:30] <ochosi> slangasek: not yet, i wasn't sure what to report it against...
[15:30] <slangasek> I'm not either ;)
[15:30] <slangasek> but better to have it in launchpad than not
[15:30] <ochosi> definitely
[15:31] <ochosi> if you have a suggestion i'm happy to write a bugreport
[15:31] <ochosi> it's also that i'm not sure what to report, as i haven't found anything relevant in the logs
[15:31] <ochosi> :s
[15:40] <ochosi> slangasek: so should i just report a generic bug..?
[15:40] <slangasek> ochosi: report it against upstart for now
[15:40] <ochosi> slangasek: ok, thanks, i'll paste the bug# as soon as i'm done
[15:40] <ochosi> or i can subscribe you to it
[15:48] <ochosi> slangasek: submitted the bug and subscribed, thanks so far!
[15:50] <happyaron> who's patch pilot right now?
[15:59] <rbasak> happyaron: there isn't one in right now. It's listed in the channel topic when there is.
[15:59] <rbasak> happyaron: but if you have a question, go ahead and ask it.
[16:00] <happyaron> rbasak: would like to find someone review/upload LP #1226492
[17:50] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: could you update the packageset?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> I put mplayerthumbs in the Kubuntu supported seed
[18:06] <alkisg> bdrung: hi, I'm using adblock-plus from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/xul-ext, but it needs updating now with thunderbird 24... thanks in any case!
[18:07] <alkisg> apt-get dist-upgrade ==>
[18:07] <alkisg> The following packages will be REMOVED:   xul-ext-adblock-plus
[18:07] <alkisg> The following packages will be upgraded:    thunderbird thunderbird-gnome-support thunderbird-locale-el thunderbird-locale-en
[18:07] <alkisg> (12.04)
[18:08] <brainwash> file a bug report against the affected package
[18:30] <dobey> xnox: ugh. the new python-paste you uploaded, is pretty well broken. its own unit tests don't even pass. and it breaks things that use it (like u1db)
[18:39] <dobey> xnox: who wrote this patch to convert it to python3?!
[18:43] <rbasak> dobey, xnox: ah, sounds like the same root cause as https://launchpadlibrarian.net/150553029/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.convoy_0.2.1%2Bbzr20-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:44] <dobey> rbasak: indeed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paste/+bug/1227291
[18:44] <rbasak> StringType is not defined (a 2 to 3 thing) from inside /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/paste/
[18:44] <rbasak> RIght
[18:44] <dobey> rbasak: looks like someone tried to make it work with py3 and failed horribly at it :(
[18:48] <dobey> rbasak: i don't know if it's a 2to3 thing exactly, but the new version of the paste package has a few patches which remove the import of that and several other FooType names, and doesn't quite resolve the usage of them properly
[18:49] <rbasak> dobey: I didn't mean 2to3 specifically, just a general issue when moving code between 2 and 3.
[18:51] <dobey> i'm not sure that's why it was there
[18:51] <dobey> if paste wasn't already supporting py3, then it was there for some other reason
[18:52] <rbasak> It might be an attempt to make code work under both 2 and 3 gone wrong.
[18:52] <dobey> rbasak: and anyway, fixing that one error by defining it in that file, onlyh results in other things breaking for another reason
[18:52] <rbasak> Yeah I don't think that's the root cause
[18:53] <dobey> rbasak: i don't think so. it's a pre-existing thing. the patches in the new package are an attempt to work under both 2 and 3 gone horribly wrong
[18:53] <bjsnider> in instances where apt has two different repositories providing the same package, how does it pick which one to use?
[18:54] <bjsnider> version string is exactly the same
[18:58] <rbasak> bjsnider: see the output of "apt-cache policy <package>".
[18:59] <rbasak> It scores them. If scores are the same, then it's non-deterministic I think.
[18:59] <dobey> whee, and the new squid moved junk around again
[18:59] <rbasak> You can alter the scores. Search for "apt pinning"
[18:59] <tarpman> bjsnider: apt_preferences(5) says it'll pick the one listed earliest in sources.list
[18:59] <bjsnider> rbasak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6125062/
[19:00] <bjsnider> tarpman, oh my god you're kidding me
[19:00] <bjsnider> it's that trivial
[19:00] <bjsnider> it really is that g comes before l
[19:01] <rbasak> Ah. The APT preferences do not affect the choice of instance, only the choice of version.
[19:01] <bjsnider> rbasak, multiarch turned this into a problem
[19:01] <bjsnider> here's what this guy just described to me
[19:02] <bjsnider> he's got the amd64 version of that lib installed. came from the libreoffice ppa
[19:02] <bjsnider> he then adds the gnome3 ppa some time later. he asks for the multiarch lib
[19:02] <bjsnider> apt picks the gnome3 ppa version for trivial reasons
[19:02] <bjsnider> except the two changelogs are different
[19:03] <bjsnider> can't overwrite, now his system is broken, can;t do updates and -f install doesn't fix it
[19:03] <dobey> wtf can't people pick names that aren't used by other pieces of software, for things?
[19:04] <bjsnider> would have been avoided had pat realized it's safer to pick the libreoffice ppa version because the amd64 lib is already there
[19:04] <bjsnider> * apt
[19:04] <rbasak> PPAs are like that. If users want to use multiple PPAs, their maintainers need to be careful to not collide packages.
[19:05] <rbasak> Users can pin PPAs to a low priority to help with this to some extent, but that doesn't change their fundamental nature.
[19:06] <bjsnider> yeah but i think apt needs to be smarter than this
[19:06] <bjsnider> g comes before l is not good logic
[19:06] <rbasak> So pin your PPAs as you wish to have them.
[19:07] <tarpman> is there a reason why the gnome ppa copies the package instead of depending on the libreoffice one
[19:07] <dobey> tarpman: cross-ppa dependencies is a huge pain to get right
[19:07] <bjsnider> the two ppas have nothing to do with each other
[19:07] <dobey> much easier to simply copy or build your own
[19:07] <tarpman> dobey, ok
[19:08] <rbasak> bjsnider: yes they do. They share the package namespace on the user's system.
[19:08] <bjsnider> average users aren't going to know why these failures are happening or what to do about them
[19:08] <dobey> average?
[19:08] <rbasak> So PPA maintainers should get their work into a release or backports or whatever.
[19:08] <dobey> majority of people probably aren't using either PPA, let along both
[19:09] <dobey> and this problem is extremely rare in practice
[19:09] <rbasak> It's fine to use PPAs to override small things, but for entire sets of packages, it's dangerous for exactly this reason.
[19:09] <rbasak> I wouldn't recommend that an average user uses a PPA at all.
[19:10] <dobey> and the issue in apt really has nothing to do with PPAs or ubuntu, directly
[19:10] <rbasak> This is why we have releases.
[19:10] <rbasak> Packages in a single release are engineered to work together.
[19:11] <bjsnider> only use a ppa if you're na expert?
[19:11] <bjsnider> how about only use linux if you're an expert too
[19:12] <dobey> average users will by definition use a PPA if they install any "for purchase" apps from the software center, or use google hangouts
[19:12] <rbasak> If you use a PPA, you immediately lose security updates from the security tesam.
[19:12] <dobey> bjsnider: if you want to complain about apt's behavior, the place to do it is in a bug against apt upstream, not in inrc
[19:12] <dobey> err irc
[19:12] <rbasak> Only use a PPA if you trust the maintainer of the PPA to have engineered the PPA to work with all the other PPAs you have added.
[19:12] <rbasak> (at least for average users)
[19:13] <bjsnider> dobey, i just wanted expert opinion on the logic behind apt's decision-making in that case
[19:13] <dobey> bjsnider: well this channel isn't for the development of apt. it's more about the development of ubuntu (ie, building the packages that go in the archive)
[19:14] <rbasak> apt isn't smart enough to read the minds of PPA maintainers. It's designed to resolve things specified by package maintainers. If they haven't declared Conflicts, then it won't work. I don't see how it's a problem with apt.
[19:14] <dobey> bjsnider: #debian or an apt/dpkg-specific channel would be a better place to ask that
[19:14] <dobey> rbasak: it's a problem which apt deals with poorly
[19:15] <rbasak> dobey: I think it's more fundamental to how packages work.
[19:15] <dobey> rbasak: there are several things apt could do, which it doesn't, that would help. regardelss of the quality of the packages or repositories
[19:15] <bjsnider> dobey, agreed
[19:15] <bjsnider> g comes before l is not good enough
[19:15] <dobey> rbasak: as in other situations, apt could simply ask what to do (ie, pick which one you want)
[19:16] <rbasak> It is an error to show apt the same package and version from multiple sources that are not the same.
[19:16] <rbasak> Perhaps apt should detect the checksum difference and flag that.
[19:16] <rbasak> But whichever way, I don't think it can be expected to work.
[19:17] <dobey> it doesn't have to work. it just needs to be graceful
[19:17] <dobey> pretending to work and ending up with a broken system, is pretty bad
[19:18] <bjsnider> it's just a failure of imagination going back many years i'm sure. the original designers couldn't envision the circumstances that exist today
[19:19] <dobey> if we were still using the same version of apt that was shipped 10 years ago, i'd think we'd have far worse issues to deal with :)
[20:22] <genii> Hello. Since -frecord-gcc-switches seems not to be used, how to find what compile options were used to build ?
[20:26] <cjwatson> genii: simplest to look in the build log
[20:26] <cjwatson> genii: or anything unusual will normally be in debian/rules
[20:27] <cjwatson> genii: debian/rules is the entry point to the package's build system
[20:34] <genii> OK, thanks
[22:36] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: Done, I think, feel free to check
[22:36] <shadeslayer> checking
[22:39] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: well, Riddell already uploaded it, so I got a rejection message that it's already in the archive
[22:39] <shadeslayer> I suppose I'll have to wait till next time now ;)
[22:39] <cjwatson> what's your LP account name again?
[22:39] <shadeslayer> rohangarg
[22:40] <cjwatson> $ edit-acl -p rohangarg -S saucy -s mplayerthumbs check
[22:40] <cjwatson> Rohan Garg (rohangarg) can upload mplayerthumbs to Saucy/Release
[22:40] <shadeslayer> awesome
[22:40] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[22:40] <cjwatson> (lp:ubuntu-archive-tools)
[22:43] <shadeslayer> neat, will remember that


[16:17] <superm1> amejia: we dont' build arm on PPA, need to get a special PPA for that
[16:17] <superm1> btw, i started to look at that post of things to fix on the mailing list
[16:17] <superm1> but didn't get enough time to sit down and address everything in it
[16:17] <superm1> so it's pending
[20:24] <cosmic> hi @ all
[20:27] <dekarl> hi cosmic
[20:27] <cosmic> I have  a new graphic card  Nvidia GT 520, since i have build in the card  and have conected the PC via HDMI Cable i have massiv problems . 1. My  Desktop doesnt fit on the TV anymore, second sound problems with game emulators. Is anyone so kind to give me hint how to get rid of my probs !?
[20:27] <cosmic> hi dekarl
[20:29] <dekarl> hmm. That sounds like a generic, non-mythbuntu specific, issue. You'll likely have more luck in a generic ubuntu channel.  (I have no expertise in that area myself)
[20:30] <cosmic> thanks
[20:31] <cosmic> yeah it is generic, but i hoped someone felt in the same isue as i
[20:32] <dekarl> maybe. its never wrong to give it some time around here :)
[20:32] <cosmic> how are you dekarl , were are you from ? may i ask ?
[20:33] <cosmic> how do you use ur myth installation ?
[20:34] <dekarl> i'm hailing from frankfurt/germany and using mythtv as it was designed (record everything I might want to watch, then watch as I got time for it)
[20:35] <cosmic> Hey, fellow ... i was living in frankfurt for about 8 years and now i am back to the place i belong :)
[20:35] <dekarl> Kassel?
[20:36] <cosmic> is recording / watching the only aspect for you in using Myth ?
[20:36] <cosmic> Kassel/Hessen
[20:36] <dekarl> some videos/music/weather, but thats secondary
[20:36] <cosmic> i see
[20:37] <cosmic> DVB-T/-C/-S/-S2  ??
[20:38] <dekarl> C, T, shoutcast and hopefully soon http live streams (aka iPad/iPhone stations)
[20:38] <cosmic> was meinst
[20:38] <cosmic> what do you mean with Iphone station ?
[20:39] <dekarl> there are stations that put their live stream on the web as MPEG SPTS cut into segments and deliverd via http. that mode of transmission was designed by Apple for their iOS devices
[20:40] <cosmic> ok , i see
[20:40] <dekarl> basically it should be super simple to convert it back into one MPEG2 stream containing H.264 and AAC
[20:40] <cosmic> which kind of "PC" do u use as frontend ?
[20:41] <cosmic> basically, for sure ;)
[20:42] <dekarl> one of the devs has the complete downloading and merging of chunks stuff written and "it plays", he's looking into wrapping it into a recorder (which would be cool for e.g. Nasa TV) it "just" needs some infrastucture to collect station urls
[20:43] <dekarl> I use the backend (i3 or i5, don't know with a discrete nvidia card) or a netboot ION2
[20:44] <dekarl> I had someone select "stuff that works with Linux/MythTV" for me. In return I'm looking after the software parts
[20:46] <cosmic> backend/frontend  is the same "PC" ?
[20:46] <dekarl> yes, one combined frontend/backend and a second (silent) remote boot frontend
[20:47] <dekarl> what EPG source are you using?
[20:48] <cosmic> ONLY EPG
[20:48] <cosmic> I have to use DVB-S2 here in Kassel
[20:48] <cosmic> that sucks
[20:48] <cosmic> i used DVB-T in FFM it was awesome
[20:49] <dekarl> But you get lots of channels via DVB-S2 (and the compression on DVB-T stinks)
[20:50] <dekarl> if you are watching our public channels you can get some guide data at http://xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org/xmltv/ I'm working on it on and off as I got time.
[20:50] <Zinn> [xmltv.spaetfruehstuecken.org] Egon zappt - Das Programmheft fÃ¼r den Videorecorder von heute
[20:50] <dekarl> got to leave, see you around
[20:52] <cosmic> see ya, thank you for chatting, have a nice day
[23:17] <Twiggy2cents> When I boot my backend, I have mythfrontend.real--syslog local7  running and also mythfrontend --service.  This is headless, and I am pretty sure they arent set to start at boot.  Anyway, why is there two and what is the difference?
[23:19] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, mythfrontend --service is the start script. mythfrontend.real is the actual mythfrontend binary
[23:19] <tgm4883> you shouldn't need the frontend on a backend system
[23:20] <Twiggy2cents> I am pretty sure when I upgraded the distro I chose backend only
[23:20] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, can always apt-get remove it
[23:21] <Twiggy2cents> Is there a way to just remove that?  It wants to remove mythtv as a whole
[23:21] <tgm4883> apt-get remove mythtv-frontend
[23:21] <Twiggy2cents> Also on another note.  My mythweb is really screwed up now.  I mentioned it in the users chan
[23:22] <Twiggy2cents> tgm4883, that removes mythtv as a dependency
[23:22] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, just the mythtv package right?
[23:23] <Twiggy2cents> mythgallery mythmusic mythtv mythtv-frontend
[23:23] <tgm4883> yea those should be fine
[23:23] <tgm4883> it's not removing the backend
[23:23] <Twiggy2cents> So is the mythtv package basically the list of what you need for mythtv or something?
[23:23] <tgm4883> and the mythtv package should just be a metapackage
[23:24] <tgm4883> it's installed if you said you want a BE/FE machine
[23:25] <Twiggy2cents> Heh after removal those entries still show up in ps.  Should I just kill them and next time they wont be there?
[23:25] <tgm4883> yea
[23:25] <haux> I'm not really sure what MythTV is, but is mythbuntu an idea os for... a media computer mostly used for watching videos on a TV?
[23:25] <haux> *ideal
[23:25] <tgm4883> haux, do you have a tv tuner?
[23:26] <haux> I do not. But I don't have cable/satellite either, so I wouldn't be using it as a DVR or anything like that.
[23:26] <tgm4883> probably not the best solution for you then
[23:26] <tgm4883> you will want something like XBMC
[23:27] <Twiggy2cents> Okay, I have to go in a sec but since you are here....  Do you have any clue where to start troubleshooting mythweb when the only thing it loads is the main page, settings, videos, and listings.  Nothing else loads.  Not even the status page which if I understand correctly isnt even actually mythweb but is a redirect to the status page port
[23:27] <haux> So I could pretty much just install xubuntu, and then install xbmc to handle all of the media watching?
[23:28] <tgm4883> haux, yes
[23:28] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, Anything in the mythweb logs?
[23:28] <haux> I'll give that a try, thanks
[23:28] <tgm4883> or apache logs
[23:29] <Twiggy2cents> where is the mythweb log
[23:29] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, also, I wasn't able to get the status page to load when I had a missing tuner (backend couldn't connect to it). Check the backend logs for any errors
[23:30] <tgm4883> Twiggy2cents, the mythweb log is just in the apache logs
[23:30] <tgm4883> /var/log/apache2/
[23:30] <Twiggy2cents> gotcha
[23:30] <tgm4883> so access.log and error.log
[23:31] <Twiggy2cents> Okay let me check that, also I just saw this Expire autoexpire.cpp:161 (CalcParams) AutoExpire: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to calculate necessary parameters.   any idea on that
[23:34] <Twiggy2cents> I think this computers usb bus is dying.  I have 3 usb tuners and theyo have issues on reboot or removal/reinsertion.  I have to start the computer with them unplugged then plug them in.  That is why I upgraded anyway.  At least I know it is my computer I guess
[23:38] <Twiggy2cents> tgm4883, that was it..  I guess I need to get ahold of another computer.
[23:38] <Twiggy2cents> Thanks!


[19:37] <philipballew> 350 people here at Software Freedom Day festival
[19:37] <philipballew> most of them high school students


[09:16] <mgz> morning
[09:20] <LarstiQ> hi mgz
[15:36] <jml> mgz: can you do me a favour and sanity check the unicode approach taken in this patch? https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/testrepository/encoding-error/+merge/98207
[15:37] <mgz> sure
[15:37] <jml> mgz: thanks.
[15:38] <jml> it's to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/testrepository/+bug/955006 (causes http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/881772/)
[15:41] <mgz> the test probably wants making explicit
[15:42] <mgz> a statement using a literal bytestring that raises an exception doesn't have consistent behaviour across python versions
[15:48] <mgz> jml: so, I'd be tempted to wrap stream instead of messing with _format_error, I'll have a quick look at the test repository code
[15:48] <jml> mgz: oh yeah, good thought. thanks.
[15:55] <mgz> will put some suggestions in the mp.
[16:03] <jml> mgz: thank you
[16:20] <mgz> bah, DocTestMatches is made of hate
[16:20] <mgz> ....need to pass ELLIPSIS
[16:21] <mgz> maybe? the mismatch output looks like a match, as always
[16:21] <mgz> yup, that worked.
[19:06] <jml> udd.scripts.mass_import - WARNING - Error accessing max threads file /srv/package-import.canonical.com/new/max_threads: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/srv/package-import.canonical.com/new/max_threads'
[19:06] <jml> what should I do with that warning?
[21:08] <mgrandi> hallo.
[21:09] <mgrandi> if anyone is here!
[21:10] <mgrandi> i probably found the reason behind the 'keyerror' error that you get with some git repos and bzr fast-import
[21:14] <jelmer> hey mgrandi
[21:15] <mgrandi> heya
[21:16] <mgrandi> however it requires some specific command line arguments to git fast-export to fix, and even when i did that, im getting another error related to bencoding
[21:16] <mgrandi> so gonna have to look into it further
[21:17] <mgrandi> (im not even sure why bzr is using bencoding, isn't that used for torrents?)
[21:37] <jelmer> mgrandi: bzr is using bencode to serialize some of its data
[21:39] <mgrandi> ok
[22:04] <poolie> hi all
[23:13] <jelmer> 'morning poolie
[23:35] <KombuchaKip> https://steveko.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/10-things-i-hate-about-git/
[23:40] <mgrandi> that article is pretty silly
[23:41] <bob2> those are pretty lame complaints, aside from 3 (as far as it goes)
[23:41] <bob2> 10 is just stupid and a complaint about github
[23:43] <bob2> which is not to say there aren't reasonable complaints about git
[23:44] <mgrandi> its not even a complaint about github
[23:44] <mgrandi> its usually how launchpad, bitbucket or anything works
[23:46] <mgrandi> and then someone sas bzr complicates things more, which i dont understand =P
[23:50] <bob2> holy crap, (someone purporting to be) larry mcvoy commented
[23:51] <mgrandi> who is that
[23:51] <jelmer> bitkeeper's author
[23:52] <bob2> bitkeeper is/was a non-free dvcs that the linux kernel used for a few years, until larry told everyone to go away, leading linus to write git
[23:53] <mgrandi> ah yeah, they wanted linux to pay money or something?
[23:53] <mgrandi> or linux foundation*
[23:54]  * jelmer still recalls lca2005 as ground zero for the current generation of DVCSes
[23:54] <bob2> no, they refused to sell licenses
[23:54] <bob2> jelmer, haha indeed
[23:54] <jelmer> where tridge gave his talk about the bitkeeper protocol, and poolie talked about "Bazaar-NG" for the first time
[23:56]  * mgrandi reads up on wikipedia
[23:57] <bob2> wow, 7 years ago
[23:58] <bob2> bzr-ng did exist pre-lca though


[03:29] <cprofitt> dinda: you here?
[03:29] <dinda> cprofitt: yip, just checking some emails
[04:45] <cprofitt> night all
[11:05] <FFEMTcJ> mornin
[13:15] <Steel__> hi @ all
[13:50] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: sorry, I've been swamped with work and things since returning from UDS, we will have a meeting next week even if I don't quite have a date yet :)
[14:08] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: its all good.. mornin Pendulum and doctormo
[14:10] <doctormo> morning FFEMTcJ
[14:12] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I missed the group photo :(
[14:12] <doctormo> Ah, that explains it
[14:12] <pleia2> I was on crew that day and was putting up signs for the next session, didn't realize I was missing the photo
[14:12] <doctormo> How are you pleia2? you've been quiet for a few days.
[14:13] <pleia2> doctormo: totally swamped with work this week
[14:13] <pleia2> out of the office last week, short work week this week, argh
[14:18] <Pendulum> pleia2: I seem to be hearing that sentiment from many people this week. (and not just people who were out last week)
[14:19] <pleia2> Pendulum: heh, I considered working this friday to catch up, but then realized that was crazy :)
[15:03] <doctormo> pleia2: Aye, I admit to being in bed, trying to relax my foot and being a bit board.
[15:03] <pleia2> doctormo: healing up well, I hope?
[15:03] <doctormo> I think so, I've put every repair team on the job. :-D
[15:24]  * FFEMTcJ has to work friday...
[15:24] <FFEMTcJ> and maybe even tomorrow
[15:31] <Pendulum> FFEMTcJ: the curse of working emergency services ;)
[15:33] <FFEMTcJ> ssshhhh!
[15:36] <Pendulum> does it get you christmas or new years off?
[17:51] <dinda> doctormo: ping
[23:03] <pleia2> FFEMTcJ: time passes too quickly, rather than a formal edu fg meeting we'll just tack our stuff onto the regular BT meeting
[23:03]  * pleia2 updated agenda on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
[23:03] <pleia2> it's on Tuesday, December 1st at 22:00 UTC
[23:06] <doctormo> pleia2: Do we have a meeting for the Learning project?
[23:08] <pleia2> doctormo: no, but we should schedule one to cover UDS stuff :)
[23:09] <doctormo> Aye, what did we cover? I think I know what I'm up to, but mostly what we did was present and then I had a dialectic argument with dinda.
[23:11] <pleia2> well, your project is newish
[23:12] <pleia2> the the lp login goodness
[23:15] <doctormo> Aye, at least I got to show it off at the lightning talk, that was fun, even though I was stammering all over the place.
[23:15] <pleia2> you did fine :)
[23:15] <pleia2> and at least your demo worked!
[23:16]  * _marx_ notes Ubuntu User Days on agenda
[23:16] <pleia2> _marx_: yeah, so that's tuesday evening eastern us time
[23:17] <_marx_> 2200 UTC = 1700 EST noted
[23:17] <doctormo> pleia2: Ah well, I was rushing before I got on stage to set up the guest and make sure everythign was ready :-) worked.
[23:18] <_marx_> duration?
[23:18] <pleia2> _marx_: less than an hour, especially with only 2 agenda items
[23:20] <_marx_> cool, no conflict w/LoCo team meeting
[23:23] <_marx_> is this an appropriate time and place to talk uud?
[23:24] <_marx_> another acronym eh
[23:24] <pleia2> yep
[23:25] <_marx_> k, there was a small group of people on my LUG discussing developing a syllabus for basic Linux classes
[23:25] <pleia2> would they be interested in this Learning project? or are they to general Linux rather than Ubuntu?
[23:25] <_marx_> being a LUG discussion this group included users of many distros
[23:26] <pleia2> ah
[23:26] <_marx_> it has since initiation roughly 2 months ago lost steam
[23:27] <pleia2> shame
[23:27] <_marx_> I've posted to the offlist thread asking if anyone would be interested in helping out with a uud
[23:27] <_marx_> had one reply
[23:28] <_marx_> one of the people in this small group is an employee of Forsyth County NC Library and has taught beginner classes for that other os
[23:28] <doctormo> _marx_: No reason why the materials you make for your LUG aren't simialr enough to share.
[23:29] <_marx_> doctormo: and visa versa
[23:29] <doctormo> _marx_: Just make sure it's CC-BY-SA or free'er, so we can share.
[23:30] <_marx_> no syllabus was developed, too many people too busy, but the library contact remains a good one
[23:30] <_marx_> he was one pushing for Ubuntu over Knoppix
[23:31] <_marx_> point: possibility of using public libraries here as a venue
[23:33] <_marx_> the LUG here is dominated by the founder who is not terribly new user friendly: he's quite personable in person but on the mailing list can best be defined as an ass
[23:36] <doctormo> _marx_: I'm about to write an interesting blog entry in the next few days all about the idea of "Suffering fools gladly"
[23:36] <_marx_> hum gladly is  the difficult part eh
[23:36] <FFEMTcJ> pleia2: sounds good. ;-)
[23:38] <_marx_> doctormo: he is the _founder! to me he has a since of ownership group founded in '97
[23:40] <_marx_> in the last couple of years he has ran this group into the ground
[23:41] <_marx_> if we do an Hour event here I _will have a printed copy of the code of conduct
[23:42]  * _marx_ crawls back into his corner
[23:42] <doctormo> _marx_: nah, you might need to sit down and talk to him over a buscuit and a port of tea. I know that at UDS someone went behind the back of one attendee to complain to jono, but that wasn't right because he found out and oh boy did it make things worse. Instead I tried to talk with him one to one and that seemed to work better.
[23:43] <doctormo> _marx_: btw, do you not have a LoCo near by?
[23:43] <_marx_> oh yeah, I took over the nc team a little over a year ago
[23:44] <doctormo> _marx_: then you have little to be concerned about then, your a completly different group of people with different needs and wants. :-D
[23:44] <_marx_> we're making progress but my area of the state is probably the weakest
[23:45] <_marx_> one to one's haven't worked with this guy
[23:57] <_marx_> well that is a very cool quit message


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[02:44] <RandomDestructn> nope.
[02:49] <damien_> when i boot into xubuntu, my desktop is using gnome and not xfce
[02:49] <damien_> i have to go into desktop settings and tell it to use xfce to manage my desktop
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[03:53] <grahamperrin> Anyone using eeeXubuntu on Eee PC and if so, can you tell whether fish:// works as expected in the address bar of file manager?
[03:54] <evil_tech> hola peeps
[05:12] <Blinkiz> Getting sick of cdrecord. It's not really "auto" this thing. Now when all data have been burned to the cd, cdrecord fails exactly when it says 633 of 633 mb burned. It's like cdrecord is not detecting the end of the iso file. See log here: http://pastebin.com/d52d17716
[05:40] <nugz1212> hey
[05:40] <nugz1212> hold on brb
[06:00] <nugz1212> okay
[06:00] <nugz1212> so im trying to get compizfusion to work
[06:01] <nugz1212> i have xubuntu 7.10
[06:01] <nugz1212> i used restricted drivers manager to install drivers for my ati radeon x1300
[06:01] <nugz1212> its running sluggishly and compiz wont start
[06:02] <nugz1212> can anyone help me?
[06:03] <nugz1212> should i try the driver from the ati website?
[06:04] <nugz1212> wow is there anyone talking?
[06:07] <Blinkiz> nugz1212: xubuntu is not really adopted to run compiz. It's made for light usage. Yes, compiz will work with xubuntu but it will be easier to get it to work with ubuntu or kubuntu. Say, why do you want to run compiz with xubuntu?
[06:20] <jhon> when i tried to run xfce-terminal ,the xfce-desktop7.10 will restart itself to logo windows ,why  ?
[06:58] <NullName> Anyone know if I format my external drive to ext3, is there any way to read AND write to the drive from a windows box?
[07:02] <grahamperrin> NullName: AFAIK no way. But as you may know, there's NTFS-3G to read and write NTFS format volumes on Linux
[07:13] <NullName> grahamperrin:  So should I just format the drive to NTFS?  I'm in the middle of formating to EXT3 using gparted, and it's taking forever (500G drive)...I probably should wait for this to finish and then format to NTFS using gparted?
[07:13] <grahamperrin> NullName: I never consciously used gparted
[07:14]  * grahamperrin is Mac-oriented
[07:14] <NullName> Is there a better way to format?  How long does it take to format to ext3 if it's a 500gb external USB drive?
[07:22]  * grahamperrin was very pleasantly surprised to find that eeeXubuntu (overtly optimised for Eee PC) live CD recognised Apple Bluetooth Mighty Mouse (including right-click), Bluetooth keyboard, and on-board brightness and keyboard backlight keys on his MacBook Pro
[07:22]  * grahamperrin was even more surprised to discover support for HFS+ (Mac OS X Extended Format) volumes
[07:24] <NullName> what is eeexubuntu?
[07:25] <NullName> I use xubuntu 7.10 and love it...by far my favorite of ubuntu distros
[07:27] <NullName> I've been wanting to get a MAC really badly and install xubuntu
[07:28] <NullName> I would use two drives..one with the MAc OSX and one with xubuntu
[07:28] <NullName> I LOVE being able to run my shell scripts on a mac
[07:28] <NullName> BASH is my favorite language
[07:34] <grahamperrin> NullName: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ubuntu:eeexubuntu:home
[07:42] <NullName> thanks
[08:05] <linux_stu> does thunar support browsing samba directories?
[08:10] <zoredache> linux_stu: no
[08:12] <linux_stu> k thanks zoredache
[08:34] <houdini> I'm having a strange problem, and I hope someone can help me with it
[08:34] <houdini> I just installed Xubuntu 7.10 on my PC
[08:34] <houdini> which previously had Gentoo on it, running fine
[08:34] <houdini> anyway, installed fine and came up as expected
[08:35] <houdini> I turned on the restricted Nvidia driver for my GeForce 7600 GT and rebooted
[08:35] <houdini> got the low resolution warning
[08:35] <houdini> it seems to be using the vesa driver instead of the nvidia driver.  I tried configuring it and hitting "test" on the nvidia driver, and it locks the machine up
[08:36] <houdini> what can I try to figure out what's wrong here?
[08:36] <houdini> 640x480 isn't really what I had in mind :)
[08:51] <grahamperrin> zoredache or anyone: I wondered whether Thunar could 'go to' fish or sftp. Discovered that it can't.
[08:52] <grahamperrin> 1) If I'm to install an alternative or complementary file manager for eeeXubuntu on an Eee PC, which one would people recommend? Bearing in mind, space constraints. (I'm fairly new to Linux)
[08:53] <grahamperrin> 2) I can use sshfs to achieve what I want. Does anyone know of a GUI that eases use of sshfs? (It's for a colleague, I don't really want to send them to the command line)
[08:53] <grahamperrin> TIA
[09:34] <zoredache> grahamperrin: their are ways, if you setup key authentication for ssh
[09:34] <zoredache> using something like this... http://afuse.sourceforge.net/
[09:34] <Jay-Oh-En> can i see a screenshot of somebodies xubuntu
[09:35] <zoredache> why?
[09:37] <Jay-Oh-En> to see if you can make it look nice
[09:38] <zoredache> eh?  I basically have a stock desktop... I don't do anything fancy
[09:38] <Jay-Oh-En> zoredache: ok
[09:39] <zoredache> if you wnat to know what the stock look is goto http://www.xubuntu.org/tour
[09:40] <zoredache> there are some more diverse screenshots on the xfce site that should give you an idea of what is possible though
[09:41] <Jay-Oh-En> it looks nice
[09:41] <Jay-Oh-En> but it looks like gnome i thought xfce was a whole new thing
[09:44] <zoredache> it is based on gtk the same as gnome...
[09:45] <grahamperrin> zoredache: thanks, Afuse seems very appropriate
[09:45] <zoredache> xfce it isn't what I would call a 'new' thing it has been around for over 10 years
[09:54] <Jay-Oh-En> zoredache: well i know not "new" but its pretty new to me but i thought it would be like something like gnome/kde/xfce
[09:54] <Jay-Oh-En> but gnome and xfce are pretty much in same category
[09:59] <Jay-Oh-En> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s272/pronege/mydekstop2.png
[13:07] <RandyboY> I have a brand new server machine from Dell with a integrated screen/videocard. I have installed VLC but it wil not play. Oh, my screen is my 37" lcd flat tv. Anyone knows why it will not play my films?
[13:17] <Juerd_> Since an upgrade I'm getting nautilus instead of thunar. The desktop is gnome too. It's slow :(
[14:09] <damien_> Juerd_, i have a similar problem
[14:09] <damien_> go Application-> Settings -> Settings Manager, click on the top left box. tell it to use xfce to manage your desktop
[14:21] <Juerd_> damien_: Thanks
[14:21] <Juerd_> It's not top left here.
[14:22] <Juerd_> That's because it's alphabetically sorted, and my language is probably different.
[14:22] <damien_> ah coolio
[14:22] <Juerd_> Works perfectly though :)
[14:22] <damien_> i ran nautilus by mistake once and since then it resets after reboot
[14:22] <Juerd_> Oh, I might have done that too
[14:22] <Juerd_> I was blaming the upgrade
[14:22] <damien_> i says you have to edit xinitrc but i dunno how to
[14:23] <Juerd_> Gotta run, see ya
[14:24] <damien_> cya
[14:24] <damien_> anyone here know anything about getting it to use thunar with xfce instead of a weird gnome desktop mush up?
[15:05] <Turno> pardon me for speaking out of turn, but xubuntu seems to kick some motherfucking ass
[15:07] <Turno> i used to run regular ol' ubuntu... i don't see whats really missing
[15:07] <Turno> as far as functionality goes
[16:35] <Galliles> Hi. Is there any way I can set a streaming movie as my desktop wallpaper?
[16:43] <ddddd> Galliles:  i think no
[17:45] <RandyboY> I have a brand new server machine from Dell with a integrated screen/videocard. I have installed VLC but it wil not play movies. Oh, my screen is a 37" lcd flat tv. Anyone knows why it will not play my films?
[18:13] <somerville32> !restricted | RandyboY
[18:13] <ubotu> RandyboY: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:20] <RandyboY> somerville32, thanks. Ill give it a try :-)
[18:26] <The-Kernel> ios there anything that'll talk to my Ti-84 plus calculator?
[18:32] <gerro> someone mind giving me a copy of their xorg.conf if they using "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760 PCI/AGP or 662/761Gx PCIE VGA Display Adapter (rev 04)" I'm having some issues with it
[18:33] <gerro> hmm maybe I should try it again after reconfiguring
[18:35] <RandyboY> somerville32, i think it has something to do with the new machine. I had an old 700mhz machine and it worked perfect. But not on this new one..
[18:35] <somerville32> RandyboY, Have you install the restricted codecs?
[18:36] <RandyboY> just did
[18:36] <somerville32> I take it you're trying to play a DVD?
[18:37] <RandyboY> .avi xvid and divx
[18:37] <somerville32> Did you install the codecs for those?
[18:38] <RandyboY> On the old machine, no i didnt. Just installed vlc player and it played all my film-files
[18:39] <RandyboY> And no, i havent installed anything other than the one you told me now on the new machine
[18:49] <nugz1212> hey
[18:53] <jaggy>  how do i make a command that and opens gnome-terminal and changes the current workspace to a other one ?
[19:45] <gerro> still no luck with this new comp :(
[19:46] <gerro> think the big forum post about it was deleted perhaps I should have bumped it when I read it before
[19:46] <gerro> got this sis integrated video card that isn't going so well
[19:46] <jaggy> hi gerro :p
[19:46] <gerro> hi
[19:54] <gerro> XwarlokX82: omg I think I seen you before
[19:54] <gerro> hi
[19:56] <XwarlokX82> really?
[19:58] <gerro> hmm probably some online game or #fluxbuntu perhaps?
[19:58] <XwarlokX82> might be a game
[19:58] <XwarlokX82> i've never used fluxbuntu
[19:59] <gerro> you play trem?
[19:59] <XwarlokX82> trem?
[19:59] <gerro> guess not ^^
[19:59] <XwarlokX82> you said trem, and the first thing i thought was tremulous (sp)
[20:00] <gerro> yeah
[20:00] <gerro> sp?
[20:00] <XwarlokX82> if i've played it, its been awhile...lol
[20:00] <XwarlokX82> (sp)=spelling
[20:00] <XwarlokX82> been playing guild wars a lot lately....
[20:00] <gerro> I never really understood that game
[20:00] <gerro> had a friend whom liked it though
[20:01] <XwarlokX82> its pretty decent...i need to get the expansions for it. I'm still stuck in the original game.
[20:01] <gerro> same here
[20:01] <XwarlokX82> having some lag/graphic issues with cedega...but all in all it plays well.
[20:02] <gerro> its pretty smooth on wine
[20:02] <XwarlokX82> hmm...i'll have to keep that in mind.
[20:02] <XwarlokX82> now i'm trying to get regnum online to play....but i'm having some issues.
[20:02] <XwarlokX82> installer segfaults :(
[20:02] <gerro> hmm
[20:02] <XwarlokX82> almost tempted to download the winders version and just play it in wine.
[20:02] <gerro> nah I had a similar problem before
[20:03] <gerro> turns out you have to edit something... it hides the error pretty well
[20:04] <gerro> oh yeah! on 7.10 it links to something incorrectly I think
[20:04] <XwarlokX82> yeah...i tryed the MALLOC_CHECK_=0 fix...but nada, doesn't work for me.
[20:04] <gerro> you have to set it
[20:04] <XwarlokX82> hmm
[20:04] <gerro> don't think that was what I put before
[20:04] <XwarlokX82> i'll have to lok into it.
[20:04] <gerro> if you tell me how to check where that info would be
[20:04] <gerro> I can see if I have something about it
[20:04] <XwarlokX82> hold on, i'll link ya to the site.
[20:05] <gerro> because its all running fine here
[20:05] <gerro> well not at the moment.. got a new system and trying to fix the settings
[20:06] <XwarlokX82> http://www.regnumonline.com.ar/forum/showthread.php?t=16679
[20:06] <XwarlokX82> thats the issue i'm having...
[20:06] <XwarlokX82> and i followed that bit of info, and another post in the forum further down...still doesn't work for me.
[20:09] <jaggy> guildwars is paying ?
[20:09] <XwarlokX82> you only have to buy the game once, basically all you are buying is a cd-key. the game has a web installer.
[20:09] <gerro> nah I'm in like 640x480 res and have no direct rendering
[20:10] <jaggy> lol then why don't we down it xd
[20:10] <gerro> got this SS31T comp with integrated video card
[20:10] <gerro> oh thought you were the same person hard to read like this nvm
[20:12] <XwarlokX82> lol
[20:12] <jaggy> XwarlokX82 i almost got the game
[20:12] <XwarlokX82> its definately worth it...ive been playing for about a year now off & on.
[20:13] <XwarlokX82> i need to play more...
[20:13] <XwarlokX82> an i need to find a guild that won't kick my ass out b/c i don't play for awhile.
[20:13] <jaggy> :p
[20:13] <XwarlokX82> i can't blame them, but jeeze
[20:14] <jaggy> howmuch does gw actualy cost ?
[20:14] <gerro> I dunno want my copy?
[20:14] <gerro> I can't login to it lol
[20:14] <jaggy> :s
[20:15] <XwarlokX82> :p i need the expansions... ;)
[20:15] <jaggy> i'm just gonna crack it i gues :p
[20:15] <jaggy> can't be hard
[20:15] <XwarlokX82> the hardest part is getting a cd-key that works.
[20:15] <XwarlokX82> without that you can't play it.
[20:15] <jaggy> i mean , even wow is easy crackable
[20:15] <jaggy> ye XwarlokX82 well i gues ill find a few keys :p
[20:20] <XwarlokX82> nice to know i'm not the only gamer that uses xubuntu
[20:21] <jaggy> well eh , this is my first day whit xfce
[20:21] <jaggy> :p
[20:22] <XwarlokX82> xfce is awesome.
[20:24]  * psionik prods xfce
[20:24] <jaggy> XwarlokX82 hmm rlly hard to crack the code , i got it in 2 sec XD
[20:26] <gerro> g2g
[20:26] <jaggy> gerro,
[20:26] <jaggy> wait
[20:26] <jaggy> where do i find the files i installed trough wine :s
[20:27] <gerro> cd ~/.wine/drive_c/
[20:27] <jaggy> ty
[20:27] <XwarlokX82> jaggy, how'd you crack it?
[20:27] <XwarlokX82> maybe the same method could be used on the xpansionss?
[20:27] <jaggy> well XwarlokX82 they made something incredible , its called the internet :p
[20:28]  * XwarlokX82 tackles jaggy
[20:28] <XwarlokX82> lol
[20:28] <jaggy> http://www.serials.ws/all/?l=G&pn=4 and keep your eyes off the women ...
[20:28] <jaggy> nightfall and others is in there to
[20:28] <jaggy> ;)
[20:29] <jaggy> brb restarting X
[20:32] <XwarlokX82> ty jaggy
[20:33] <jaggy> ;)
[20:33] <jaggy> wtf XwarlokX82
[20:33] <jaggy> i keep crashing guild wars when i try to start it
[20:33] <jaggy> :s
[20:33] <XwarlokX82> that sucks, what are you trying to play it with?
[20:34] <jaggy> error : fixme:dbghelp:Syminitializew what to do ??
[20:34] <jaggy> wine
[20:34] <jaggy> so any help ?
[20:35] <XwarlokX82> i never tried it with wine, i play it with cedega
[20:35] <XwarlokX82> brb gonna try something
[20:36] <jaggy> ok
[20:56] <RandyboY> is there any way i can find out what kinda chipset is in the machine when its on?
[21:00] <RandyboY> and how can i know if there is a good driver for specific screen/videocard?
[21:00] <RandyboY> any ways to find out?
[21:03] <march> gn8
[21:10] <schlumpf-> hi im wondering which os i should choose. i hav xubuntu but offerd is lunix and solaris for a certain app i need
[21:20] <schlumpf-> what i need is java but i dont know how to install it as i said only "linux" and solaris are offerd and im not quite sure which i need
[23:28] <efif> hello, i just installed xubuntu-desktop and I put the language switcher on my top panel... the problem is that only "US" shows up when I click on it
[23:29] <vidd> you need to install other language packs
[23:29] <efif> i already did
[23:30] <efif> in gnome it works
[23:30] <efif> and spanish is checked off in language support
[23:31] <efif> well, checked on
[23:32] <vidd> you installed the xubuntu-then i dont know what to say.... I dont use it =/


[17:49] <charlie-tca> Hey! A little slow but working; Xubuntu Maverick installed using the desktop image on 400MHz cpu with 384 MB ram
[18:00] <ochosi> charlie-tca: hey, updated your wiki page with a few suggestions
[18:00] <charlie-tca> thank you
[18:19] <knome> the links for the german mirror at http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu are false. the new path would be inside http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Thanks! cody-somerville ^ ^ ^
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Can you update the website?
[18:20]  * knome can't :)
[18:20] <knome> anyway, see you
[18:24] <charlie-tca> ochosi: you guys made the system tray icons mono. Now the updates available seems to stay the same, even when the updates are ready
[18:26] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i don't get any update-notifications in my systray
[18:27] <charlie-tca> you should. It still uses the gear thingy, but it doesn't turn orange now
[18:27] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu still gets them, but Ubuntu doesn't
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Not all the time, though. It gets shown about once a week now, I think
[19:04] <ochosi> hm, weird
[19:04] <ochosi> is there a setting that would influence this?
[19:04] <ochosi> maybe only for security updates?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I just know what I see, I guess.
[19:08]  * charlie-tca is probably not so much helpful with the stupid update thingy
[19:13] <ochosi> hm, one more thing is: we have monochrome systray icons, i don't see a reason we should color the updates-icon, especially if it only appears every once in a while
[19:18] <ochosi> also: we're past the freeze, only if you consider this a critical bug it can be fixed for maverick
[19:19] <charlie-tca> because; it comes on to show the system is checking for updates. When it finishes checking, it needs to show it has updates. If there are none, it goes away when the check is finished
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Yes, it is critical. You can not do any updating or installations during the checking period of time,.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> And, you could now wait days for it to say it finished, if there are updates.
[19:21] <charlie-tca> That would seem critical to me. Especially if you are the type that installs any applications after the installation of Xubuntu. You can not do any until the update is finished
[19:22] <ochosi> as far as i can see we're not even shipping that icon in elementaryXubuntu, so the icon comes from the elementary icon theme
[19:22] <ochosi> but as i said before: i never see that icon, so it's hard to check for me
[19:24] <ochosi> if you can find the icon for me in /usr/share/elementary i can try to fix it
[19:42] <charlie-tca> ochosi: forgive me. I think my systems are too old and slow. I just got the update icon in orange
[19:42] <ochosi> haha :) nvm
[20:37] <Aquina> :)


[08:52] <juang> hello
[14:25] <pavlos_> hi ... we use ubuntu-us-az for our Sunday night meetings but the meetingology bot is stuck and keeps telling us the meeting is in progress. Is there a way to reset the bot for our channel?
[16:30] <tyhicks> hello
[16:30] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 17 16:30:38 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:30]  * sbeattie waves
[16:30] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:30] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:30] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:30] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:33] <tyhicks> sbeattie: go ahead and we'll circle back to jdstrand
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:34] <jdstrand> I'm here, sorry
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm about to publish bind9 updates
[16:34] <sbeattie> After that, I'll be going down the list of needed updates.
[16:34] <sbeattie> I also have a couple of apparmor patches to look at.
[16:34] <sbeattie> That's likely my week
[16:34] <sbeattie> jdstrand: go ahead.
[16:34] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:35] <jdstrand> - continue on the gnome3/wayland interfaces
[16:35] <jdstrand> - snappy PRs, store reviews, etc
[16:35] <jdstrand> - seccomp arg filtering is no longer blocked, so go through existing PRs and bring up to date and pick the work back up
[16:35] <jdstrand> - miscellaneous policy updates for bug fixes
[16:35] <jdstrand> - update the pam apparmor/stacking documentation as have time
[16:35] <jdstrand> that's it for me
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'm on community this week
[16:37] <tyhicks> (there's a tnef update in debian with regression fixes so I'm in the middle of fake syncing those updates)
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm finalizing all the details, processes, etc., for ESM
[16:37] <tyhicks> I hope to finish and submit the seccomp kernel patches this week
[16:37] <tyhicks> and I have sprint prep to do
[16:37] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <jjohansen> I am still working on upstreaming apparmor, specificially this week I am sending up patches around the securityfs filesystem interface for RFC
[16:39] <jjohansen> and making any changes, needed there
[16:39] <tyhicks> was anything able to go up for 4.12?
[16:39] <jjohansen> a set of bug fixes went into 4.12
[16:39] <tyhicks> nice
[16:40] <jjohansen> I also have a couple bug reports to triage, and the next pull request to finish getting together
[16:41] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me
[16:41] <jjohansen> ratliff: you are up
[16:41] <ratliff> I am on CVE triage this week
[16:42] <ratliff> I have sprint prep work to do.
[16:42] <ratliff> sarnold reviewed the notification script so I'm making a few changes to it.
[16:42] <ratliff> I will do vivid updates after that.
[16:42] <ratliff> back to you tyhicks
[16:43] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:43] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:43] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/eom.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-opt.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/node-moment.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ganglia.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gradle.html
[16:43] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:43] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:45] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:45] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 17 16:45:03 2017 UTC.
[16:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-04-17-16.30.moin.txt
[16:45] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:45] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:45] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!


[23:50] <fazer>  If a bug can no longer be reproduced should the status be changed to 'Fix Released' or 'Invalid'?
[23:51] <fazer> It occurred on previous versions of Ubuntu but not on later releases. Should it be made incomplete instead?
[23:51] <tarpman> fazer: if you can point to change that fixed it, then Fix Released; otherwise I generally choose Incomplete and give people a chance to re-test with the newer version
[23:52] <wxl> that's a good additional point tarpman
[23:52] <tarpman> fazer: Invalid would be if you know it's not actually a bug, but rather something like user error
[23:52] <wxl> the key is finding the change
[23:53] <fazer> ok. that makes sense.


[21:53] <devxdev> you guys want a good laugh? I did this out of complete boredom the other day http://devxdev.com/utv