[01:13] <ner0x> Each time I log on my shortcuts Alt+{F1,F2,F3,F4} no longer work. It's typically when I press Alt+F2.
[01:13] <ner0x> I think they might be conflicting with a system or default keyboard shortcut. Any ideas?
[01:15] <holstein> ner0x: i actually "lost" those with a graphics driver
[01:15] <holstein> ner0x: i would try a different keyboard. try the current keyboard with a live CD
[01:16] <ner0x> Hm... I don't have a different keyboard.
[01:16] <holstein> ner0x: tty's are "control+alt+x_
[01:16] <holstein> !tty
[01:16] <ner0x> When you say keyboard, do you mean physical or setting?
[01:17] <holstein> ner0x: i would take the actual keyboard and test it with a live CD.. if it seems "normal" with a live CD, i would assume the keyboard is not faulty
[01:17] <ner0x> holstein: I know the physical keyboard works just fine; it's a settings issue.
[01:19] <ner0x> holstein: I just have to reset them each time I login. They work until I logout after that.
[01:19] <holstein> ner0x: you can check your user config by using the guest account, or another user.. then, you can just remove whatever config is "bad" in your users /home
[01:19] <holstein> ner0x: ok.. then, you just need to start over
[01:20] <holstein> ner0x: you have a setting you make that is not perstent? and you want to know how to make it persitent? what setting?
[01:20] <ner0x> holstein: Let me start from the beginning.
[01:21] <ner0x> holstein: On a new install I always set Alt+F{1..4} to switch my desktops. It works well on my laptop for some reason my desktop anytime I log in the settings are lost and I must reset them. Alt+F1 works, then Alt+F2 works then the settings disappear. Causing me to go into the keyboard shortcut settings and reset the quick keys. It works uninterrupted after that.
[01:23] <holstein> ner0x: laptop is running something other than xfce?
[01:23] <holstein> sounds like you are setting something the window manager is setting back at login.. i would look for another way to set the keyboard shortcuts..
[01:23] <ner0x> holstein: No, same exactly version of xubuntu and xfce.
[01:24] <holstein> ner0x: well, *something* is different, and i think identifying that will help
[01:27] <ner0x> I do plan on viewing the settings I just figured I'd see if this was a well known/common problem. I'll boot the laptop now.
[01:27] <ner0x> holstein: Thank you!
[01:27] <ner0x> holstein++ # Don't know if they do that here.
[01:51] <xubuntu022> I just installed Xubuntu and it appears that my networking is a bit wonky
[01:52] <xubuntu022> i am getting random timeouts when trying to update
[01:52] <xubuntu022> or hit web pages
[01:52] <xubuntu022> has anyone seen that before?
[01:53] <holstein> xubuntu022: sure
[01:54] <holstein> xubuntu022: i have seen that with wifi hardware that doesnt support linux well.. i have seen that with misconfigured networking equipment
[01:55] <holstein> what would i do? wire up, if i were on wifi, and "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:55] <xubuntu022> ok
[01:55] <xubuntu022> I am on a wire
[01:57] <xubuntu022> maybe its a dns issue
[01:57] <xubuntu022> whats the command to list dns servers
[01:57] <xubuntu022> its not listed in ifconfig
[02:11] <monkeynaut> how do i view my display color depth?   i'm trying to stick with the mesa drivers instead of installing fglrx, but when I do it seems like my display is set to a lower color depth.  some wallpapers don't look as smooth, etc
[02:12] <Unit193> xdpyinfo | grep root
[02:13] <monkeynaut> Unit193: thanks!   24 planes, that's 24 bit, right?
[02:13] <Unit193> Aye/
[02:13] <monkeynaut> is that basically the best i'm going to get?
[02:22] <xubuntu022> is it normal for my dns server to be <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[02:23] <xubuntu022> I know that is the loopback and 53 is the port DNS uses
[02:23] <xubuntu022> but should it not be listing my external dns server?
[02:23] <Unit193> Not if you're using resolvconf.
[02:23] <Unit193> !resolvconf
[02:24] <xubuntu022> ok, thanks
[02:24] <xubuntu022> I am just having some intermittent network issues
[02:24] <xubuntu022> and I am trying to rule out dns
[02:24] <xubuntu022> random timeouts when trying to update and webpages and whatnot
[02:25] <Unit193> You can set the DNS in network manager.
[02:25] <Unit193> Mmmm.
[02:28] <xubuntu022> do you guys have recommendations for dns servers?
[02:28] <Unit193> I use my own, but you can use an OpenNIC one or Google's DNS.
[02:30] <xubuntu022> I don't know anything about openic
[02:30] <xubuntu022> I will check them out
[02:30] <xubuntu022> thanks
[03:34] <Quantibility> so im looking to do something that is not recommended
[03:35] <ObrienDave> glwt
[03:35] <Quantibility> i wanna remind everyone here that it is my choice to screw up my computer any way i please. and i just can't get the hang on the documention in the man files
[03:36] <holstein> Quantibility: ?
[03:36] <ObrienDave> about what?
[03:36] <Quantibility> eh gimme a sec to fromulate my train a  thought.
[03:36] <holstein> Quantibility: consider just backing up your machine properly.. either imaging, or mirroring.. or, play-around/experiement in VM or with a live CD
[03:37] <Quantibility> yes absolutely but im suck on that too.
[03:37] <holstein> Quantibility: suck? you mean, you are "stuck" ? on what, exactly?
[03:38] <Quantibility> i want to back up yes but i need some advice on what to use, i wanna back up my user and installed programs i could care less about linux its self if that makes sense?
[03:38] <holstein> Quantibility: why "installed programs" ?
[03:39] <holstein> Quantibility: the programs you have installed run on linux, if you have them installed into linux.. you cant just "lift" them out and expect them to run elsewhere..
[03:39] <Quantibility> holstein i get that. i don't as a matter of fact,
[03:40] <holstein> Quantibility: an image would keep just that.. an *entire* image of your installed OS.. apps, data, everything.. think "snapshot"
[03:40] <holstein> otherwise, just take the data you want to keep, and put it on another drive or 2.. since *all* hard drives fail
[03:41] <Quantibility> yeah the close your eyes for 5 to 10 mins and open them for a second and close them... that was  a fun experiment which at the time i learned as flash purple. yes i know what a image is, and i guess that was i want to do. what program would be perfect to transfer to external hardrive
[03:41] <e87hd> I actually just use a script that runs every so often that copies my data to an external location
[03:41] <holstein> Quantibility: "perfect" is a matter of opinion and use case.. *any* file manager can move filse
[03:42] <holstein> files*
[03:42] <holstein> Quantibility: i suggest, try the one in the operating system you are using.. if that doesnt work, read about rsync.. there is a handy GUI for it..
[03:42] <holstein> !info grsync
[03:43] <Quantibility> <--- still slightly stuck in the windows universe... need input on being able to know how to do what you guys are saying. just copy home folder to <said disk> ?
[03:43] <e87hd> !info rsync
[03:43] <holstein> Quantibility: what did you do in windows?
[03:43] <Quantibility> used a fucking button that said backup.
[03:43] <holstein> Quantibility: did you image? or just use the file manger to copy data to another location?
[03:43] <holstein> !language
[03:43] <holstein> !backup
[03:44] <holstein> Quantibility: there is a "button" in the GUI of main ubuntu.. ships with it..
[03:47] <holstein> i think, personally, it makes more sense to just not break the system.. maybe just take it easy for a while and setup a VM to experiement.. use a live CD
[03:48] <holstein> learn a method that works for you to backup your important files, and go from there
[03:49] <MrDave> Is anyone else still getting the situation where you can't wake up the machine?  It is a fresh install of 14.04.1 on a VM machine and the change notes appear to indicate that this problem was resolved.
[03:49] <holstein> MrDave: i can say, on metal, im good
[03:50] <MrDave> Is there any logging that I can turn on to try to trace the cause?
[03:50] <Quantibility> im trying to learn the methods to appease my method of madness, i guess, for some stupid reason, i want to make a stable usb "cache" like system to smilar to speed boost on windows..
[03:50] <holstein> you cant wake the virtual  machine.., correct?
[03:50] <holstein> Quantibility: make what you like.. you wont need that "USB" here, though
[03:50] <MrDave> correct.  The machine seems to go into screen saver and then clicking does not bring it back to life.
[03:50] <holstein> Quantibility: AFAIK, that usb is similar to the swap file
[03:51] <MrDave> black screen.
[03:51] <holstein> MrDave: TBH, i have *never* tried to sleep a virtual machine ;)
[03:51] <MrDave> clicking or any key presses does not bring it back up....have to reset(reboot it)
[03:51] <holstein> MrDave: i always just suspend them in the virtualization software
[03:52] <MrDave> I did not change any setting whatsoever....I was working on my host and then came back to the guest (xubuntu) and it doesn't come back up...
[03:53] <MrDave> I was not suspending and bring it back up from suspense...Just not working on it for a while.  12.04 didn't have this prob.
[03:53] <Quantibility> true, i don't.  linux is fantastic on this issue, however i do see some programs, like chrome, and jack could use help with the hefty memory it can aquire.. something that can bare that load for a little while to ease the system on other things.
[03:53] <holstein> MrDave: i typically disable any suspending or screen sleeping in the guests.. im not saying thats the issue.. im just saying, maybe that will help you with your guest
[03:54] <holstein> Quantibility: you can make a USB stick with as large of a swap as you like.. i suggest not doing so
[03:54] <MrDave> do you know if xubuntu still has the old and new screen savers?  (Just want to make sure to uninstall and disable them both)
[03:54] <holstein> Quantibility: i would relax the JACK settings.. dont expect such low latency from internal audio devices.. try another browser, or let the maintainers of chrome know you are having issues with its memory usage
[03:55] <Quantibility> windows can do it but it not suggested on linux, am i to assume there's a power issue on read writes? i never said  i just wanted to swap things.. but i don't understand why its not a "recomended" process.
[03:55] <holstein> Quantibility: its not *necessary* in linux
[03:55] <holstein> Quantibility: if you want to do it, do it.. thats why its not suggested
[03:55] <e87hd> holstein, getting double teamed. nice work man! If I see anything I can help with I will jump in and help answer as well :)
[03:56] <holstein> e87hd: cheers..
[03:56] <Quantibility> i agree with you holstein, it is not necessary you have no argument from me there..
[03:56] <e87hd> if the backup thing is still being discussed
[03:56] <Quantibility> yes
[03:57] <e87hd> I would (I do) create a small bash script that rsyncs all the data I want to backup to a secure location
[03:57] <e87hd> then if my stuff breaks (it hasent) I can just reload and copy it back
[03:57] <Quantibility> ok, please my i have the rights to your script to use?
[03:57] <holstein> and, grsync is a nice GUI tool that helps one learn. but, i think Quantibility is looking for a "button"
[03:58] <holstein> Quantibility: the script can point to locations that are not for your system..
[03:58] <Quantibility> holstein, its the perverbial button
[03:58] <e87hd> mine would not really help you
[03:58] <Quantibility> no need to patronize me :/
[03:58] <holstein> Quantibility: there are *many* such scripts freely available
[03:58] <e87hd> since I am backing up stuff that is important to me
[03:58] <e87hd> you wont have the same folder structure on your machine
[03:58] <e87hd> does that make sense?
[03:58] <holstein> Quantibility: i assure you, i am not intending to patronize anyone.. only volunteering
[03:58] <e87hd> for example
[03:59] <e87hd> if I have a folder name clown
[03:59] <e87hd> and it lives in /etc/clown
[03:59] <e87hd> i would rsync that
[03:59] <e87hd> but chances are, you dont have that
[03:59] <e87hd> so the script would fail
[03:59] <Quantibility> e87hd i have understanding of folder structures and such im trying to program myself im just really having a hard time understaning the options in the man files
[03:59] <holstein> Quantibility: in what specific man file for what?
[03:59] <e87hd> Quantibility, ah! That helps me understand what you are looking for
[03:59] <e87hd> hold on a moment
[04:00] <holstein> Quantibility: the tools listed above are basically using rsync on the backend, and have a "button" for you to press
[04:00] <holstein> !backup | Quantibility
[04:00] <e87hd> pull down the grsync
[04:01] <e87hd> package like holstein is saying
[04:01] <e87hd> it has a GUI that will help you set it up so you dont have to read the man pages or do command line
[04:01] <e87hd> that should get you going
[04:01] <Quantibility> Holstein, the process of reading the man files is explained perfectly yes, but the way the structured is layed out viewing the material in how the santax is prcocessed. it be nice to get a whole "example" in real use format.
[04:02] <e87hd> I have not used it, but I presume it is pretty straight forward
[04:02] <holstein> Quantibility: if you have a question about the syntax in *anything*, state the syntax and ask a question.. a volunteer may be able to help you
[04:02] <holstein> Quantibility: there are *many* examples in real use format available.. and you can generate them with the tool suggested.. grsync
[04:02] <e87hd> Quantibility, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grsync
[04:02] <e87hd> take a look at that
[04:02] <e87hd> it has a picture
[04:03] <e87hd> might help you understand a bit more
[04:03] <holstein> its handy.. "dry-run" options..
[04:04] <Quantibility> ah cool e87hd.. thanks. wicked neat.
[04:05] <e87hd> holstein, I had no idea there was a gui, thats neato :P
[04:05] <Quantibility> holstein im fickle in my programming help seeking. most people don't have time to give me a five minute explanation of the code they give me.
[04:05] <holstein> Quantibility: we are not talking about programming ;)
[04:05] <Quantibility> so i try to hunt the answer my self in most the of the man files, get lost, get frustrated wanna kill the world and i need a blunt.
[04:06] <holstein> Quantibility: im saying, if you are looking at a man page, and have a question, ask..
[04:06] <Quantibility> yes i know
[04:06] <Quantibility> holstein i suppose theres a !drugs command?
[04:06] <holstein> i agree the man pages can be challenging to parse..
[04:06] <Quantibility> thank you.
[04:06] <holstein> Quantibility: please dont do that here.. use the #xubuntu-offtopic for chat
[04:09] <Quantibility> Holstein, i was just saying that you should add that command since you quick to "parse" them, and don't get me wrong i have mad respect to the wicked intelligent people but please don't belittle my sense of reality.. i do know that i am not allowed, im sorry in advance, but allow me to be me? im not going to cause "drama" i promise, but i don't function well being militarized to restrict my thought.. i promise i will try to be
[04:09] <Quantibility>  a good boy and all but i won't push after my little fits of whining ok?
[04:10] <holstein> Quantibility: im not attacking or belittling anyone, friend.. if you have a question about a man page.. feel free and ask
[04:10] <Quantibility> thanks.
[04:11] <Quantibility> yes man those man files can get give a good pace in programming a good train wreck
[04:11] <Quantibility> very frustrating.
[04:11] <holstein> Quantibility: sure.. just ask questions about them if you need help, otherwise, use the #xubuntu-offtopic channel to vent frustrations..
[04:20] <Quantibility> whats the oder to comple? .configure .make .makeInstall
[04:21] <holstein> Quantibility: i dont.. i just use the packages in the repos.. you really shouldnt need to compile anything.. what are you compiling? and why?
[04:21] <Quantibility> Grsync for backup
[04:21] <holstein> Quantibility: its in the repos
[04:21] <Quantibility> i downloaded the gz
[04:22] <holstein> Quantibility: sure. you dont do it that way.. no need
[04:22] <Quantibility> old fashioned way though eh?
[04:22] <holstein> Quantibility: you can use the software center, or whatever package manager you like.. or the terminal.. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install grsync
[04:23] <holstein> Quantibility: its not really about that.. its about support.. if you want to build something from source like that, the source creators/maintainers will provide documentation on how to install and use the software.. otherwise, if you want to use xubuntu, just use the provided/supported packages
[04:24] <Quantibility> yeah i get it, maintain continuity.
[04:24] <holstein> Quantibility: there really is no benifit for you to install grsync from source like that.. its only adding frustration and taking you out of the support community
[04:25] <holstein> Quantibility: please check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware
[04:26] <e87hd> now now holstein compiling from source can be fun :)
[04:26] <holstein> Quantibility: what is "Most" like an .exe would be a .deb package, basicallly
[04:26] <holstein> e87hd: sure.. go for it
[04:26] <ObrienDave> e87hd, as much fun as getting teeth pulled ;P
[04:26] <holstein> e87hd: its just that you end up with a package thats not supported here.
[04:26] <Quantibility> holstein yeah it can be fun...
[04:26] <holstein> e87hd: if you want to take on supporting Quantibility , you can PM and go for it
[04:27] <Quantibility> nothing like putting together a program that shouldn't run but run anyway lol
[04:27] <holstein> Quantibility: im not commenting on any level of "fun"-ness
[04:27] <holstein> Quantibility: im talking about support for you as a new linux user.. period.. there is no benefit to building that package from source..
[04:27] <e87hd> agreed
[04:27] <Quantibility> Is it safe to say that e87hd loves and hates surprises like me?
[04:28] <holstein> Quantibility: if there were a newer version with newer functionality that you needed, i would be happy do discusee the benefits.. there are none for that package
[04:28] <Quantibility> holstein understood and noted.
[04:28] <e87hd> not really, I just learn by breaking things, generally
[04:28] <Quantibility> same here
[04:28] <e87hd> before I started down the path I did, certifications and schooling and stuff
[04:28] <e87hd> I just broke all my windows and linux machines
[04:28] <e87hd> learned a lot more from that than most of my schooling
[04:29] <holstein> i just test with live CD's are much as possible.. the changes are not persitent.. a live USB or VM, and you can save snapshots.. you can break the machine and easily revert
[04:29] <e87hd> yep, virtualbox is your friend :)
[04:30] <holstein> the sure way to fail is, setup *any* new operating system, start playing around on it, and have that be the only machine you have up and running
[04:30] <e87hd> hehe, been there done that
[04:30] <e87hd> before I had a smart phone for a backup google session
[04:30] <e87hd> tee hee hee
[04:30] <holstein> if you plan for total failure, and try and remove frustration from the equation, you can learn from those scenarios where you break things and learn to repair
[04:32] <e87hd> I do have a question, for some reason *sometimes* when my screen auto locks after I have been afk for awhile, it does not redraw the window correctly. If I enter my password and hit enter, it logs right in and draws the windows right. But sometimes its just garbled text
[04:32] <e87hd> have you seen that before?
[04:32] <holstein> e87hd: i have.. with some odd graphics drivers.. via chips.. what is your graphics hardware/driver?
[04:33] <holstein> i have seen similar with nvidia..
[04:34] <e87hd> http://pastebin.com/L1dRKBLJ
[04:35] <e87hd> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] (rev a1)
[04:35] <holstein> yeah.. i would try another nvidia driver if you can... i dont know about that specific hardware first hand, but thats my vote. nvidia driver
[04:35] <holstein> e87hd: are you using the proprietary driver?
[04:35] <e87hd> thats a good question
[04:35] <e87hd> I do not believe so
[04:35] <holstein> e87hd: should see it in "lspci -v"
[04:35] <e87hd> I did not do anything special for it, I just used it however it came up
[04:36] <holstein> e87hd: i mean, you can install the proprietary one and have a total different problem.. but its worth a try...
[04:36] <e87hd> http://pastebin.com/XdVAX1JJ
[04:37] <holstein> e87hd: yup.. .nouveau is the open driver.. works well here with all my chips.. but, didnt always
[04:38] <e87hd> ok, I will head over to nvidia and pull down a proprietary one. Hopefully they already have a .deb. I wouldint want to have to compile anything :P
[04:38] <holstein> e87hd: they dont.. but, its in the repos
[04:38] <e87hd> ah, ok. Let me check the software centre
[04:38] <holstein> e87hd: you can try the one in the repos... there is also a ppa from xorg edgers that has typically as fresh as anything you would build from nvidia
[04:39] <holstein> e87hd: on the "software soures" GUI, you should see a tab for proprietary or extra drivers
[04:39] <e87hd> ok
[04:40] <e87hd> searching...searching...searching....
[04:40] <e87hd> there it is
[04:41] <holstein> e87hd: id make a note of the package name, just in case you need to remove it manually in a pinch
[04:41] <e87hd> good idea
[04:43] <e87hd> alright I will give that a go
[04:43] <Quantibility> e87hd, so what would be the most important folder to back up? home? or what? / root?
[04:43] <e87hd> depends on what you want to save Quantibility
[04:43] <holstein> Quantibility: "important" is a matter of use case..
[04:44] <e87hd> if its documents and things, then just /home is probably fine
[04:44] <holstein> Quantibility: the /home directory has hidden directories in it that applications store settings in
[04:44] <e87hd> however, if you have custom configs that you built for certain packages, then you might want to back that up to
[04:45] <e87hd> like fail2ban settings or something
[04:45] <Quantibility> home, root, and sys?
[04:45] <e87hd> dont think you are running that though
[04:45] <holstein> Quantibility: if you backup .mozzila, and reinstall your OS and install firefox, and put that backup of .mozzila back, then firefox will basically pick back up from there
[04:45] <holstein> Quantibility: why root? why sys?
[04:45] <Quantibility> home should be satisfacory then?
[04:45] <holstein> Quantibility: /home has your data, and the configs for the applications for your user.. the other things are freely available to you to download anytime
[04:46] <holstein> Quantibility: "satisfactory" is also a matter of opinion..
[04:46] <e87hd> I would start with /home
[04:46] <holstein> Quantibility: what i do is, i backup what i need.. if i need my data, i grab that.. if i need configs for applications from /home, i grab them
[04:46] <e87hd> if you dont know what else you need
[04:46] <e87hd> then that should be all you need :P
[04:47] <holstein> i sync *anything* that is just in one location that i *must* have.. since all hard drives fail
[04:53] <e87hd> time for bed and stuff
[04:53] <e87hd> have a good night
[05:00] <akis> hi all. does anyone knows why on 14.04 software updater reminder doesn't show an icon on 'notification area'? is there any way to fix that working like on 12.04?
[05:03] <holstein> akis: how did it work in 12.04?
[05:06] <Quantibility> i guess home folder was all i needed, its been 15 mins and still going
[05:06] <akis> holstein: on 12.04 every time there was an available update there was: 1) a pop-up notification & 2) there was an 'orange star' on notification area. if user clicked on this 'orange star' could access software updater and run updates. now it just open a new application window and thw running application can be shown in panel as a window panel. nothing more.
[05:07] <holstein> Quantibility: i would test a few smaller locations.. and make sure i understand how grsync works before working on my home partition like that
[05:07] <holstein> akis: thats all im aware of
[05:07] <holstein> akis: i use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" manually, and disable *all* pop-ups
[05:08] <Quantibility> i have a android SDK with all of the avaiable libraries.
[05:08] <holstein> akis: i see that you "fixed" the issue with your ipv6 support.. feel free and file a wishlist bug for the updater.. im out for the night.. you can always ask in #ubuntu and see whats going on with the updater up there
[05:09] <holstein> Quantibility: good luck.. a test on smaller less "important" data is what i suggest.. cheers
[05:10] <akis> holstein: manual search for update is an option, but i am wondering how it can be fixed the auto-update reminder in 14.04 like was on 12.04. i dont think that it couldn't be fixed it. yea...i fixed my 'slow internet'. many thanks to other users they have the same problem and they have already fixed it.
[05:11] <holstein> akis: no, it cant be "fixed" since its not broken.. its just changed.. as i said, feel free and file a wishlist bug
[05:23] <brigitte> 14.04, x-Oberflaeche reparieren nach  misslungener libreoffice calc Installation
[05:23] <akis> holstein: fixed or changed the result is the same for me. i have a fast internet browsing !
[05:23] <akis> i am asking again i problem i faced yesterday i case that someone expert can help me. Yesterday i tried to move from one user account to another , a directory containing other directories and i gave the command sudo mv /home/user/* /home/user_other/ . The system didnt return any error message, worked for a couple of minutes (because the whole directory's size was about 5 gb). After the system returned to command prompt i checked if the files we
[05:23] <akis> re moved to destination user account and i realized that although  the files were not any more in /home/user (source account) there were not also in /home/user_other (destination account). In your opinion  what happened and the files disappeared? Are they still lived somewhere on my disk or they just deleted? Or maybe they changed their names? Is it possible to be transfered somewhere else (i.e. inside root file system)? I have to mention that
[05:23] <akis> as i had a copy of these files i returned for a second try and i gave this time cp -r /home/user/directory /home/user_other/ and the whole directory with all subdirectories copied succesfully. But still i am
[05:23] <akis> wondering if i made any damage to my system or i sent those files with my first command somewhere else. Any idea? I read that mv command can also rename files. Is it possible that my files are renamed and still live in /home (source directory) with new names?
[05:24] <brigitte> zeileneingabetextorientiert geht noch.
[05:25] <brigitte> Bin totalanfaengerin. wie repariere ich die x-Oberflaeche?
[06:14] <akis> is there anyway to change on regional setting 12h to 24h?
[06:29] <Infant> hello. how to change this anoying nonsence when new thunar tabs open prev tab location but not the home folder ~/ ?
[07:32] <akis> does anyone know where in /root live printer's drivers? does anyone know if  deletion of printer deletes printer's driver?
[13:24] <akis>  hi all. how is this explained? http://imgur.com/Nhweqih,djpdhgf . the whole used size of disk is 38GB and /home alone is 41 ! what happens here?
[13:31] <baizon> akis: install baobab and check what takes so much space
[13:31] <baizon> akis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Baobab
[14:22] <wachin> Hi, please do you can help me. I use compiz on XFCE session, but in nautilus when I open a file, this some times not maximize
[15:02] <wachin> sorry was my mistake, I fix
[15:08] <zleap> hi
[15:08] <zleap> is it possible to add remote desktop login to the xubuntu 14.04 login screen ?
[15:08] <zleap> i am trying to google this,  i can use remmina to login to my raspberry pi remotely
[15:11] <holstein> zleap: not that im aware of.. there are some thin client aimed distros that used to do something like that, but remmina is what i would use
[15:11] <zleap> ok
[15:11] <zleap> thus was possible with ubuntu i think
[15:11] <zleap> ok no problem
[15:12] <holstein> zleap: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[15:13] <zleap> i know
[15:13] <zleap> but uses a different login manager
[15:13] <holstein> zleap: so, take a step back, realize that its actually *not* the "xubuntu 14.04 login screen", and that you can use the greeter ubuntu uses, or read about how to edit lightdm yourself.. or use a completely different login manager
[15:14] <holstein> zleap: actually, AFAIK, they are the same.. just configured differently
[15:14] <zleap> ah ok
[15:14] <zleap> lightdm
[15:14] <zleap> i will go and find the info on that,  thanks
[15:18] <zleap> brb
[15:28] <nivyan> Hi! Would it be possible for someone to help me regarding a login problem I have with xubuntu?
[15:29] <holstein> nivyan: just ask.. a volunteer may be able to assist
[15:29] <nivyan> Cool; It's kinda simple really. Today I updated everything and after the update, whenever I try and login I immedieately get logged out again.
[15:30] <holstein> nivyan: i bet that what is happening is more like this.. you login, and your desktop session crashes
[15:31] <holstein> nivyan: you could have ppa's added, or something else that is "breaking" your desktop session.. i would test with the guest account, and see if all is "normal"
[15:31] <GridCube> nivyan, login into the guest account, open a terminal and type >> sudo thunar << go to your /home/user/ directory, press ctrl-h to show hidden files, delete the files named .Xauthority and .ICEauthority, log off the guest account and relog using the standard account
[15:31] <holstein> ^^ is what i suggest as well, nivyan
[15:31] <nivyan> gimme a sec
[15:32] <nivyan> OMFG THAT'S FUCKING MAGIC
[15:32] <nivyan> I've been googling this for like 5 hours
[15:33] <nivyan> Thanks a million
[15:33] <GridCube> even if you know how something is done, that doesn't make it less magical
[15:33] <nivyan> haha :D
[15:33] <holstein> !language
[15:33] <holstein> though, im glad you got it sorted :)
[15:34] <nivyan> I got another one for you magicians then; whenever I boot i get lots of 'system program problem detected' pop-ups, but it's never seemed to cause a problem (that I'm aware of) is there a way I can log the errors and pastebin them, so they can be looked at?
[15:34] <nivyan> (boot, as in after login)
[15:34] <holstein> nivyan: have you added PPA's?
[15:35] <holstein> nivyan: i usually try and isolate the users config and see if the issues are in there..
[15:35] <GridCube> nivyan, have you updated to 14.04.1?
[15:35] <nivyan> Probably
[15:35] <nivyan> Probably --> Holstein
[15:35] <nivyan> I updated today, I might have updated to 14.04.1 without knowing
[15:36] <GridCube> nivyan, lsb_release -a should tell you
[15:36] <nivyan> I've updated to 14.04.1
[15:36] <nivyan> :D
[15:37] <holstein> nivyan: i would look and see if i have any sources that could be causing the issue.. i would try and isolate my user config.. i would see that i have all updates applied.. etc
[15:39] <nivyan> Is it possible to initiate a log from login and see what's causing errors?
[15:39] <nivyan> and I'll check immediately
[15:40] <holstein> nivyan: im sure there is.. you can also try #ubuntu channel for that.. i personally just try and isolate, since im not a "Read a log and parse error" type of user
[15:41] <nivyan> I agree with that viewpoint; I've just reached a state of frustration where I'm up for anything that works
[15:42] <GridCube> nivyan, if you choose to report it it will show you what it is
[15:42] <GridCube> but i think i know what your issue is
[15:42] <GridCube> and if its what i think it is, the report will simply fail
[15:42] <nivyan> What should I do ?
[15:43] <GridCube> nothing really, if im not mistaken is a problem with a report that was not properly sent, or something like that, and it just fails each time, its not really bothering you except for the clicking to "no" each time, at least that is in my case
[15:45] <nivyan> holstein; I've checked and I got a few PPA' that i'm sure about - can I just remove them, or will that cause... problems?
[15:45] <nivyan> that i'm not so sure about*
[15:45] <GridCube> it depends on your use of those ppas
[15:46] <nivyan> that's the thing; there are a few I don't know where come from - then there is like dropbox which I know for certain I need
[15:49] <holstein> nivyan: im not saying that is the problem, just that its plausible
[15:50] <nivyan> I know, I'm just trying to understand what could cause the problem
[15:50] <holstein> nivyan: if i had a problematic system like that, i would read the error messages at boot, and search each one.. or, i would ask the reporter not to report any more, and just use the system, if the errors are just "messages"
[15:50] <holstein> nivyan: any 3rd party unsupported package from those ppa's could be the problem
[15:51] <nivyan> roger - brb one sec
[15:51] <courtneychi> Thanks!  Not sure how to use IRC.  Just downloaded and saved broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 to get my wireless going.  What is my next step?
[15:53] <cfhowlett> !broadcom | courtneychi
[15:53] <nivyan> Can I safely assume that Java and 'prominent' software like Wine are 'safe' ?
[15:53] <holstein> nivyan: "Safe" is usually a matter of opinion and use case
[15:53] <nivyan> that's what I was thinking
[15:54] <holstein> nivyan: plus, "safe" is not what you are dealling with.. what errors specifically are you seeing? if they are just messages, i would just report, and move on
[15:54] <nivyan> holstein; thing is that even if I report them - they're there every single time I boot and I'm worried my own system is whats causing them
[15:57] <GridCube> nivyan, did they appeared when you logged in as guest?
[15:57] <nivyan> ...
[15:57] <nivyan> let me chekc, just realized I should've checked
[15:58] <nivyan> GridCube: they do not
[15:58] <holstein> nivyan: then, they are issues with your user config.. *not* with ubuntu/xubuntu..
[15:58] <GridCube> then delete your ~/.config/xfce4 folder, that should reset your configs to default, and, in theory, get rid of this
[15:59] <nivyan> awesome! gimme a sec
[15:59] <holstein> ^^ thats what i would try.. you can even just move it out of the way
[15:59] <GridCube> nivyan, also never blindfully trust a stranger on the internet
[16:00] <nivyan> It's ubuntu, at least I know how to reinstall if all else fails :P
[16:00] <holstein> not even here.. feel free and research the commands.. though, you can trust GridCube :)
[16:00] <nivyan> if I use rm, it denies me the abiliy to delete because its a directory?
[16:01] <holstein> nivyan: you can just do it like before.. with the control+h parameter in the file manager.. you can just rename it if you are "neverous" removing
[16:01] <drc> nivyan: Just rename it
[16:01] <drc> also man rm :)
[16:02] <nivyan> well, that was much easier than using terminal
[16:02] <nivyan> then just relog?
[16:02] <holstein> nivyan: when you logout and backin, the user will be using the newer default configs generated.. and thus, potentially dealing wiht the "errors"
[16:03] <nivyan> one step closer; I had 1 error in the center that's not gone. But I still got quite a few (for some reason) located at top-left corner
[16:03] <nivyan> 8 of them :P
[16:04] <GridCube> nivyan, technically, just technically, you can remove the whole .config folder
[16:05] <GridCube> it will all of it respawn
[16:05] <nivyan> ...that's technically what I did :P
[16:05] <GridCube> you will lose all your configs and settings
[16:05] <nivyan> I know, I don't mind
[16:05] <GridCube> there are many other folders on your ~/ you can mess with
[16:05] <GridCube> you can always create a new user P:
[16:06] <nivyan> you're right; I'll just create another user actually :P - thanks a million for your help GridCube & holstein - you've saved at least 2-3 days of googling for me
[16:08] <holstein> nivyan: if things are "Normal" In the new user, you can assume the issue is in the users /home.. you can always clear out all the .hidden files
[16:08] <holstein> i'll just move them out of the way, and test.. them, put back the application specific ones i need/want
[16:08] <nivyan> ah that makes sense; I'll try that before adding a user
[16:10] <nivyan> thanks a million, I'll return when I'm out of hope again :D - thanks again
[16:57] <Quantibility> ok, i give up ln this theme configuration crap... anyone understand it? <goes googling>
[20:04] <xubuntu770> how do I put the network icon on the menu at the top again? I removed it and cant get it back
[20:05] <mattxtn> panel prefs - items - indicator plugin
[20:09] <xubuntu770> that did it, thanks!
[20:39] <xubuntu653> anyone from italy?
[20:41] <xubuntu653> join #italia
[20:42] <xubuntu325> hey
[20:43] <Unit193> Perhaps you are looking for #ubuntu-it?
[20:44] <xubuntu325> yeah thanx
[21:19] <kgb> For God's sake, having trouble finding HOW to remove teh "X" from tabs in Terminal.. Any help, plz?!??
[22:50] <mattxtn> so the fix for the black screen on unlock didn't work for me
[22:50] <mattxtn> fix i'm referring to: http://xubuntu.org/news/laptop-users-fix-available-for-the-black-screen-on-unlock-bug/
[22:51] <mattxtn> brb testing
[22:59] <mattxtn> argh
[23:31] <mattxtn> finally fixed the black screen issue
[23:31] <ObrienDave> how?
[23:40] <mattxtn> followed posts 7 and 16 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1357090
[23:41] <mattxtn> for some reason it worked for me
[23:42] <ObrienDave> ah, the old sticky toggle trick. will have to remember that. thanks


[08:47] <juliank> @pilot in
[16:22] <Laney> sil2100: any more thoughts on ubuntu-meta? I could drop restricted from the .cfg file which seems like it would work, not sure what implications that has ...
[16:22] <Laney> would *technically* work
[16:26] <jibel> sil2100, I'm reviewing your updated branch of ubiquity. Did you try to build the package? the testsuite is failing for me on hirsute
[16:30] <sil2100> jibel: eeek, sorry about that, yeah, so the updated one I didn't - since it was a one-liner I totally missed that
[16:30] <sil2100> Fixing
[16:30] <sil2100> Laney: hm, let me get back to you soon
[16:31] <sil2100> I'll let the package build finish before pushing the fix
[16:33] <Laney> k
[16:43] <sil2100> jibel: done
[16:43] <sil2100> jibel: thanks for taking a look!
[16:58] <sil2100> Laney: so this is quite the pickle, I mean, wouldn't removing 'restricted' from the .cfg mean that the next refresh wouldn't have the restricted deps anymore?
[16:59] <sil2100> I think this is something someone with more archive experience needs to look at, like vorlon - since I would really want to pull in the raspi restricted bits properly instead of once again installing them artificially in livecd-rootfs
[17:00] <Laney> sil2100: yes, that's the point, we can't have those deps
[17:00] <Laney> we didn't have them in groovy, they're only arriving now semi randomly because someone else did an update
[17:02] <vorlon> sil2100: Laney: removing 'restricted' from what .cfg, please?
[17:12] <Laney> vorlon: update.cfg in ubuntu-meta
[17:12] <Laney> basically we have component-mismatches now because of some stuff in restricted that's in one of the raspi seeds
[17:12] <Laney> and we were riffing on how to resolve that
[17:14] <vorlon> aha
[17:14] <vorlon> yeah
[17:18] <vorlon> well, first question, should we have linux-firmware-raspi2 in main, the way we do the intel/amd microcode
[17:23] <vorlon> second, uh, why does the raspi desktop seed diverge so much from the standard desktop seed
[17:23] <vorlon> ah desktop-minimal vs desktop
[17:23] <vorlon> wait no
[17:23] <vorlon> ok anyway
[17:24] <vorlon> it's certainly atypical for us to have a per-board metapackage as opposed to handling this all in livecd-rootfs
[17:24] <vorlon> and I don't like that the ubuntu-meta update.cfg now allows restricted packages to sneak in as dependencies on other archs
[17:24] <vorlon> I think that's fundamental
[17:24] <PatrickD31> Hi, having some issues installing 18.04 using MAAS, because apparently the package linux-generic-hwe-18.04 is no longer available... https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/bionic/main/updates/linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[17:26] <sladen> vorlon: on, oh that theme, to throw a spanner into the works---it is now possible to decrypt some/most of the P6-era intel microcode updates (and re-encrypt with a new key)
[17:27] <sladen> vorlon: perhaps freeness in Debian main would be the excuse to make some of that more public
[17:27] <vorlon> PatrickD31: this is related to a major dataloss regression that happened in the latest kernel update, there is currently no linux-meta package published in bionic-updates or bionic-security
[17:28] <vorlon> apw: ^^ is there an intent to restore the previously-published kernel back to bionic-{updates,security}?
[17:28] <vorlon> PatrickD31: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1907262 for details
[17:28] <jibel> sil2100, I was referring to MiscTests https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YXtqdw5g7z/
[17:29] <vorlon> sladen: well, we already ship {intel,amd64}-microcode in main in Ubuntu; I'm just wondering whether the rationale there extends to the rpi firmware package
[17:29] <apw> vorlon, working on it now
[17:29] <vorlon> would require some digging
[17:29] <vorlon> apw: ok cheers
[17:31] <sil2100> jibel: oh, the package built fine here, hm hm
[17:32] <sil2100> Though I don't run hirsute
[17:33] <sil2100> THis doesn't seem related to my change, and as said it built fine locally - I can take a look at fixing the FTBFS but does it build fine on the master branch?
[17:33] <jibel> sil2100, i'll rebase your mp and try again
[17:33] <jibel> sil2100, yes master builds fine
[17:39] <PatrickD31> @apw Any ETA on when those packages will be back ?
[17:39] <udevbot_> Error: "apw" is not a valid command.
[17:39] <apw> PatrickD31, working on it now, so 'a couple of publisher runs' i would expect
[18:19] <sil2100> vorlon: hm, ok, so I tried discussing this with multiple people on multiple occassions and I never got a 'no' for per-device seeds, since this is a problem I tried solving since a while
[18:20] <sil2100> vorlon: we want to have an option to be able to freely add and remove packages during upgrades for people using our raspi images, as per the problem we had previously - installing them via livecd-rootfs is not very flexible as they're basically unmanaged by any means
[18:20] <sil2100> Like this one time when we wanted to migrate raspi beta users from raspi-firmware to linux-firmware-raspi
[18:21] <sil2100> I was asking: is there a reason we don't want per-device seeds? Since the other way to do it would be creating a separate raspi-something package that would be the one managing raspi-specific deps, enabling us to add new packages when needed, remove some etc.
[18:21] <sil2100> But that's basically what we get now by having raspi specific seeds
[18:22] <sil2100> Anyway, not sure how to proceed here, I personally like the way of having raspi seeds, but I completely missed the whole situation that there is this main <-> restricted conflict
[18:23] <sil2100> So I'd be more inclined to maybe just get the raspi firmware bits pulled into main?
[20:58] <juliank> @pilot out
[21:39] <doko> icey, jamespage: python3-ironic uses versioned shebangs, that's why it needs sourceful uploads in python3 transitions. please could you change that to unversioned shebangs?


[05:55] <Mirv> slangasek: hmm so qt3d-opensource-src got removed completely from Ubuntu because it was moved to experimental in Debian? and so did qt3d-opensource-src-gles, but that one you reuploaded?
[05:57] <Mirv> I'm not sure what was on purpose and what not. regardless, we are planning to make Qt3D 5.6 available to app developers, similar to our snapshot git releases of qtpim, qtsystems and qtfeedback that have been included on the phones and tablets from the beginning.
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (xenial-proposed/main) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.4 => 1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.5] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[09:03] <xnox> what is the URL for the backup seed-in-ubuntu instance?
[09:18] <apw> xnox, they are listed here: http://ubuntuqa.tblwd.org/
[09:19] <Laney> shall we move those over to snakefruit or something?
[09:25] <handsome_feng> Hi, Laney, Sorry to trouble you. Could you please help me to upload my new wizard package ? I have file a bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntukylin/+bug/1609207
[09:25] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1609207 in Ubuntu Kylin "[needs-packaging] ubuntu-kylin-wizard" [High,Triaged]
[10:18] <Laney> bleh, he went
[10:18] <apw> yeah that is somewhat annoying
[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: davical (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.1.4-1ubuntu1 => 1.1.4-1ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[12:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: awstats (xenial-proposed/main) [7.4+dfsg-1 => 7.4+dfsg-1ubuntu0.1] (ubuntu-server)
[12:47] <Laney> trying: appstream isenkram appstream-generator limba
[12:47] <Laney> did britney always do this?
[12:47] <Laney> put transitions in without (auto) hinting them
[14:21] <smb> I would highly appreciate if someone on the release team could look at bug 1621618 and in case there is still something missing, let me know.
[14:21] <ubot5`> bug 1621618 in xen (Ubuntu) "[FFE Yakkety] Upgrade to Xen 4.7" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1621618
[14:35] <Trevinho> bdmurray: I'm continuosly receiving email about possible regressions in libunity... Which are not. I don't know why, but these issues were mostly caused by vala itself. But still nothing new
[15:10] <slangasek> Mirv: I didn't remove qt3d-opensource-src-gles, I demoted it to -proposed
[15:11] <Mirv> slangasek: and what about qt3d-opensource-src?
[15:11] <slangasek> Mirv: since it's Ubuntu-specific, I felt it was better to keep it around in -proposed for reference than to remove it completely.  But qt3d-opensource-src, I removed because Debian says it's not stable yet; why would you want to give this to app developers via 16.10?
[15:12] <Mirv> slangasek: the similar way we provide nonstable qtpim, qtfeedback and qtsystems in our products - developers want it, it's available. by not stable means API is not stable, but qt3d has seen multiple releases unlike those other three modules which we have only git snapshots for and still use them.
[15:13] <Mirv> but qt3d is not necessary either, but there is a lot of interest towards it
[15:14] <Mirv> we've been shipping it in Ubuntu since 2014, so removing it at this point is a bit weird
[15:14] <Mirv> correction, January 2013
[15:14] <slangasek> Mirv: if you wanted to reintroduce the package to yakkety (reupload, or copy-package), I wouldn't block it, but it doesn't seem like a good idea to me
[15:16] <Mirv> slangasek: I don't need it for anything, but people have wanted to play around with it for years now. I just don't get why remove it now after 3.5 years, when it's pretty usable and stable (even if technolgoy preview), but I see there can be multiple points of view.
[15:16] <Mirv> bzoltan: ^ if you have opinion on removing or keeping qt3d from Ubuntu
[15:16] <slangasek> Mirv: removed because we track removals from Debian; but it's not an absolute
[15:17] <slangasek> if it's clear that the package is being used in Ubuntu we won't remove without discussion
[15:17] <slangasek> this one is not seeded, had no reverse-depends aside from the gles variant
[15:17] <Mirv> right, they started shipping it 2.5 years after us, when upstream released the first (preview) version. we were shipping the version 1 and now later this rewrite of it.
[15:18] <Mirv> anyway, it will be back latest for 17.04 with Qt 5.7 where it's no longer called a preview
[15:19] <Mirv> it used to be part of ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev dependencies but now that package was removed from yakkety so indeed no reverse dependencies
[15:20] <slangasek> Mirv: so should we pull the package back in?
[15:21] <Mirv> slangasek: I think it'd be nice, but not mandatory. it's for playing around, and as it was part of ubuntu-sdk-libs-dev lots of 16.04 users have it installed.
[15:21] <Mirv> anyway, I need to go now
[15:29] <slangasek> Mirv: copied back in; hopefully this worked right, copy-package gave me no output about binaries being included
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pylxd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.0.5-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
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[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected python-pylxd [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.0.5-0ubuntu1]
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[16:34] <bzoltan> slangasek:  the qt3d was collecting dust for some time, but since KDAB started to invest in it and started to maintain it for real it has improved and now it is a first class citizen of the Qt modules. It is good that we include it in our offering.
[16:49] <wxl> is beta 2 not going up today?
[16:49] <wxl> infinity: i guess you're in charge of beta 2? what's the word?
[16:56]  * rbasak wasn't aware of a freeze
[16:56] <Laney> Beta 2's on the schedule for this week
[16:56] <Laney> Usually coincides with freezage
[16:58] <wxl> Laney: it's on the schedule to *release* this week
[16:59] <wxl> on the 22nd for that matter
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kbd (xenial-proposed/main) [1.15.5-1ubuntu4 => 1.15.5-1ubuntu5] (core)
[18:25] <infinity> wxl: RCs and freezing and such will happen soonish.  We've been trying to squeeze a kernel in under the wire.
[18:25] <wxl> infinity: works for me. thx!
[18:25] <infinity> apw: ^ what's the status on that?
[18:36] <acheronuk> so in reality actual beta freeze is in advance of the date here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[18:41] <infinity> acheronuk: The freeze obviously has to happen before the release, the schedule just seems to be missing the usual (Mon) or (Tue) to indicate that the freeze isn't on Thursday.  Oops.
[18:43] <apw> infinity, the kernel in the pocket is pretty close, we're missing a couple of patches which really ought to go in, but not in "iso affecting" paths
[18:44] <infinity> apw: If it won't affect boot, install, or dkms, I think we're safe.
[18:44] <acheronuk> infinity: I did wonder. Thanks
[18:47] <apw> i believe not, there is an esoteric networking issue, and some overlayfs in userns bits needing wiggling
[18:47] <infinity> apw: Kay.  Odds of said wiggling happening by EOW, so we can just slip an update in right after beta?
[18:48] <apw> for sure that, oh but hang on ... xnox reported a udeb issue with crypto ...
[18:49] <apw> xnox, what was the scope of the failure there ...
[18:49] <apw> we can cirtainly have a "day 0" kernel for thursday/friday, but we need to circle on xnox's issue i guess
[18:50] <infinity> *nod*
[18:50] <apw> a crypto module missing in udebs ...
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: klibc (trusty-proposed/main) [2.0.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.0.3-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[19:30] <artmello> hey guys. we have a silo for gallery that is failling the automated signoff with a missing deps in s390x for yakkety: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1819
[19:32] <artmello> this seems to be related with missing upstart there. someone can help me to get gallery build removed from s390x/yakkety? so we can have this silo approved
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: klibc (xenial-proposed/main) [2.0.4-8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.0.4-8ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[19:58] <infinity> artmello: I'm not familiar with that UI so much, but where does it say *why* the automated signoff failed?
[19:58] <infinity> Oh.
[19:58] <infinity> britney.
[19:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-petname (xenial-proposed/main) [2.3-0ubuntu1~16.04 => 2.4-0ubuntu1~16.04] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[19:59] <artmello> infinity: on the Automated Test Results you have the excuses files
[19:59] <artmello> infinity: this is the one for yakkety https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/landing-088/yakkety/excuses.html
[20:00] <infinity> artmello: Right.  So, that was removed from yakkety, and it probably shouldn't be built on arches that don't have upstart.
[20:00] <infinity> artmello: An artificial build-dep on upstart would "fix" that.
[20:00] <slangasek> correct
[20:00] <slangasek> artmello: so this needs to be fixed in the landing, it's not something the archive team can fix
[20:01] <artmello> slangasek: right, I think some similar fix was done by ubuntu-system-settings. is that correct kenvandine?
[20:02] <kenvandine> content-hub
[20:02] <kenvandine> we had a direct depends on upstart i think
[20:03] <infinity> Would have to be a build-dep, not a dep, if the goal is to not build it.
[20:03] <kenvandine> true, it was actually a build dep on ubuntu-app-launch
[20:03] <kenvandine> gallery-app has a depends on content-hub which is no longer building on s390x
[20:04] <infinity> Can we just remove upstart usage from that stack instead? :P
[20:04] <kenvandine> ok, so i guess just add the build dep
[20:04] <kenvandine> infinity, that would be pretty significant ;)
[20:04] <infinity> kenvandine: Yup, but we're also not maintaining upstart, so... Whee.
[20:05] <kenvandine> indeed
[20:05] <infinity> (And it's not like we haven't had warning of this since about vivid)
[20:05] <kenvandine> yeah, ubuntu-app-launch basically wraps upstart
[20:05] <kenvandine> but i'm sure tedg has a plan :)
[20:06] <kenvandine> world domination, if nothing else
[20:06] <artmello> ok, so should I add the build dep to gallery-app?
[20:06] <infinity> My plan is to stare whistfully out the window at the dreary, rainy afternoon sky, and will a hamburger to come to me, since I don't feel like going out there to go to the hamburger.
[20:06] <infinity> artmello: Yup.
[20:07] <wxl> sudo apt -y install hamburger
[20:07]  * kenvandine wants a hamburger now
[20:08] <artmello> infinity: thx
[20:09] <infinity> I guess I could be one of "those people" who drives his car two blocks for lunch.
[20:09] <wxl> i installed the lunch package which depends on the main-course virtual package, which tacos provides as well as hamburger
[20:09] <infinity> It cancels out if I scowl at myself in the rearview mirror and judge myself, right?
[20:11] <wxl> tacos were a good choice
[20:11] <wxl> infinity: don't you have one of those delivery service things?
[20:11] <infinity> I'm frugal.  (read: cheap)
[20:11] <wxl> infinity: well, then you shouldn't drive.
[20:12] <infinity> Driving two blocks is a lot cheaper than paying someone to do the same. :)
[20:12] <slangasek> he lives in Calgary, he pretty much just wipes a rag on the ground and squeezes it into his tank to gas up
[20:12] <wxl> not when you consider all the factors involved, such as the affect on long term maintainence, insurance costs, etc.
[20:13] <wxl> and the cost on health
[20:13] <wxl> more likely to get injured in a car than just about anything else
[20:13] <wxl> for that matter, if you were so frugal, you'd get rid of the car altogether
[20:13] <infinity> slangasek: I don't know where you're hearing your rumours, but I assure you, we're far classier than that.  I get my gas out of the kitchen faucet.
[20:13] <infinity> wxl: I don't like in a city where being carless is practical.   :P
[20:15] <infinity> Basically the same from that POV, yeah.  North Americans view distance much differently from Europeans.
[20:16] <infinity> In that we have a lot of it.  With nothing in the middle.
[20:16] <infinity> But also, the rain stopped, so I can stop with this debate, and walk to my burger.
[20:16] <wxl> Well, to me, Canada seems *a bit* more with it.
[20:16] <wxl> Good luck :)
[20:17] <infinity> wxl: As a people, we're likely slightly more environmentally-conscious (slightly), but the layout of the country as a whole, and some cities specifically mean we still can't be Europe. :P
[20:18] <infinity> wxl: I live in a very walkable neighbourhood, and prefer not to drive when I don't have to, but I still pretty much have to own a car to get some things done, or waste years of my life on awful public transit because *good* public transit requires either (a) a densely-populated area or (b) trillions in infrastructure spending to make your sparsely-populated areas connect, and we've got neither.
[20:21] <infinity> wxl: To put it in perspective a bit, I live in a city with an eigth of the population of London, but more than twice the area.
[20:23] <infinity> wxl: And the next nearest city worth mentioning is 300km away.
[20:24]  * infinity burgers now.
[20:25] <flocculant> is that like frying tonight?
[20:45]  * tsimonq2 wonders if infinity picked up on the fact that wxl works for a bike company and dislikes cars :P
[20:46] <wxl> tsimonq2: to be fair, we live in a car-centric world here in North America. thinking outside that box is something we rarely do.
[20:46] <tsimonq2> I agree
[20:47] <tsimonq2> but to be fair, you live in Oregon, where puming your own gas is illegal :P
[20:47] <tsimonq2> *pumping
[20:47] <wxl> not sure that's relevant, but ok.
[20:47] <tsimonq2> well I've heard that in Portland, bikes are used just as much as cars, if not more
[20:48] <nacc> portland's traffic doesn't seem to indicate that is really true, but it's what people like to say here
[20:50] <wxl> it's not really true
[20:50] <wxl> bike use is ever increasing in portland, which has some of the hightest bike use
[20:50] <wxl> but the car traffic there is truly deplorable
[20:50] <wxl> i.e. for all the improvement, it's still far behind
[20:50]  * nacc lives in portland, and can only agree
[20:51] <nacc> and i don't even commute anywhere! :)
[20:51]  * wxl used to live there and left because of that fact!
[20:51] <nacc> heh
[20:54] <wxl> tsimonq2: btw here's why the oregon legislature has decided to disallow self-service fueling http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/480.315
[20:56] <slangasek> on paper anyway
[20:57] <wxl> yeah
[20:57] <wxl> this one goes into a little more history https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Oregon-have-attendants-at-gas-stations/answer/Rick-Hamell#
[20:57] <xnox> apw, infinity - my crypto modules missing in udebs results in not able to mount ext4 which means cannot smash continue repeatedly to finish installation, on s390x.
[20:58] <xnox> where smashing enter is actually ".\n" SCLP SEND
[20:58] <xnox> s390x only as far as I understand.
[20:58] <xnox> sorry, i was out for volleyball
[20:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted golang-petname [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.4-0ubuntu1~16.04]
[21:02] <xnox> bug 1625728
[21:02] <ubot5`> bug 1625728 in linux (Ubuntu Yakkety) "fails to mount ext4 due to missing crypto-crc32 modules in the udeb" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625728
[22:54] <tsimonq2> infinity: when you get a moment, please take a look at the email just sent to ubuntu-release@l.u.c


[00:32] <gin> I am here
[00:33] <gin> did anybody said he could help me out??
[04:05] <sagaci> hi all, for those of you who don't have texlive installed, I've uploaded the latest revision of the ubuntu manual at http://people.ubuntu.com/~jpickett/ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual_rev25.pdf
[04:06] <sagaci> it's about 3GB to download and set up so it may take a while if you're on a slow connection, otherwise a 1.3MB pdf should be a bit quicker to follow along
[04:07] <sagaci> the easiest way you can help is by read a chapter in the manual and making sure everything is up to date and relevant for 12.04
[04:08] <sagaci> most of the screenshots are missing but the respective chapter authors will update those sometime soon. I'm going to be working on the rhythmbox/listening to music chapter to make sure it is ready to go
[04:15] <jaddi27> sagaci, I will do some reading later on - I didn't realise what the time was, and am not quite ready to do it at the moment
[04:16] <sagaci> no worries
[05:23] <somethinginteres> so what exactly are we doing to help the Ubuntu Manual project this arvo?
[05:26] <sagaci> somethinginteres, anything -- I'm working on the listening to audio section which I'm authoring for the precise release
[06:00] <somethinginteres> sagaci: is there a site with the material to edit etc?
[06:01] <sagaci> you need to install texlive via a script which will download about 3GB of packages
[06:01] <somethinginteres> sagaci: aww dang, bandwidth limits :P
[06:03] <sagaci> are you on an ubuntu-unmetered ISP, ie. bigpond, internode?
[06:04] <somethinginteres> sagaci: unfortunately not.
[06:37] <hot_wheeelz> Hi guys
[06:39] <hot_wheeelz> can anyone confirm if this is still the case or if it's been fixed please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1847001
[06:42] <hot_wheeelz> also anyone know of  a ppa for libbluray?
[06:45] <somethinginteres> hot_wheeelz: libbluray is included in the default repos?
[06:45] <somethinginteres> hot_wheeelz: afaik
[06:53] <hot_wheeelz> somethinginteres, Does it work afauk?
[07:00] <somethinginteres> hot_wheeelz: It does work. I use it but libbluray is not designed to play encrypted content.
[08:44] <sagaci> jaddi27, pm?
[08:44] <jaddi27> sagaci, ok
[09:51] <benonsoftware> Weather for Melbourne, VIC: Mostly Cloudy / 50F (10C) - Humidity: 82% / Wind: S at 5 mph
[09:52] <benonsoftware> OOps, did I just type that?
[10:02] <sagaci> or pasted it
[10:02] <benonsoftware> Sorry, I thought the weather plugin privatly told me the weather
[11:26] <Kalidarn> http://catalogues.bigw.com.au/portal/embedofferdetails/diablo-iii/13367141090516
[11:36] <elky> Kalidarn, that's unnecessary


[00:01] <krytarik> guiverc: Can you not post in monospace font this time though? :P
[00:04] <guiverc> krytarik, i don't see ability to change font - i know ~0 about wp, headings, preformatted, paragraph, bold, italics, ..  (in both text & visual mode)
[00:04] <krytarik> If you leave the editor for a bit, I can fix it.
[00:05] <tsimonq2> I'll Fix The Thing once it's posted.
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Or.
[00:05] <tsimonq2> That. :)
[00:06] <guiverc> am out of editor... using gedit now :)
[00:07] <krytarik> That's not what I meant... :P
[00:12] <krytarik> guiverc: Fixed!
[00:12] <krytarik> Thou shall continue.
[00:12] <guiverc> thanks - it saved it as draft - use it or start again?
[00:14] <krytarik> Btw, the trick is not to paste or in fact use at all the "visual" editor, but "text" instead.
[00:19] <guiverc> i didn't see a 'font' option (i assume you changed default krytarik) - as for visual, it was how i was shown from memory - i can explore later..  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/?p=8325&preview=true  if you'd like to preview  (links are good)  - mentions uwn523 @ bottom which may be 'next post' i normally don't notice..
[00:20] <krytarik> I merely removed the '<pre>' tags that got added all over the post automatically.
[00:22] <krytarik> Yes, it's cool.  I removed the 'more' tag too btw - I think we don't need it for this short one..?
[00:23] <guiverc> posted - thanks krytarik   ( http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/04/22/first-set-of-bionic-sort-of-rc-images-for-18-04/ )
[00:23] <guiverc> thanks tsimonq2
[00:25] <guiverc> does the <pre> mean preformatted?  (seem to recall those tags in askubuntu)
[00:25] <krytarik> Yes.
[00:26] <krytarik> Or something - but it does mean codey and monospacey.
[00:26] <guiverc> thanks - that'll be easier to remember (i hope) - i prefer monospace anyway (but don't explore for fear of..)
[00:27] <krytarik> Well, it looks rather crappy on the website though if it's used for everything. :P
[00:27] <guiverc> (okay except my own systems, fixing problems b/c I blew it up when others can't see is fun!)
[00:28] <guiverc> i only read the text; and only see it in liferea (or lynx) so i'd likely not notice
[00:33] <guiverc> note: i didn't click 'planet' for it   (i'm now thinking maybe I should..)  ah well
[00:36] <krytarik> Well, on the previous release it was on there anyway.
[00:37] <Wild_Man> why did we post that one article to the fridge instead of waiting to post the news letter? was that just as a favor?
[00:39] <krytarik> This is not only UWN, but also Fridge.
[00:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Wild_Man : Would a link on our final freeze summary suffice ?
[00:41] <Wild_Man> I thought we just post uwn to the Fridge
[00:42] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Well, both are different topics - but yeah, if you wanna write about the call for testing too, then sure have a separate one for it.
[00:42] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, what do you mean, there is already a summary for final freeze?
[00:42] <krytarik> Because the timing fits really well now too.
[00:43] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: yeah .. the summary however does not directly address the plea for final testing .
[00:46] <Wild_Man> Two separate topics, I did not realize you were talking about the plea for testing, yes we need a separate one as krytarik said
[00:47] <guiverc> this room is Ubuntu News Team - fridge, UWN & more ... I'd definetly say include it in UWN  (mention the lists.ubuntu links, not fridge one!)
[00:48] <krytarik> guiverc: Planetize the post yet? :P
[00:49] <krytarik> Also, I've just seen you used a 'testing' one for the Final Beta - though that was last used in 2012 till then.
[00:49] <guiverc> nah - i said planet; I wish I'd clicked 'testing' - but still not sure about planet - you say yeah I assume - i'll add the testing
[00:50] <krytarik> You can also do this by 'quick edit' btw.
[00:51] <guiverc> testing added and I'm happy.  do you think its worthy of planet?
[00:51] <krytarik> No, I'm not sure either..
[00:52] <guiverc> truthfully i think not - i like planet only because more eyes will see it...
[01:02] <krytarik> Maybe we want to re-pick up using the 'release' category too.
[01:08] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh!..  Wanna tweet this? :P
[01:09] <krytarik> (The other two are for UWN only.)
[01:12] <Wild_Man> krytarik, this one http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2018/04/22/first-set-of-bionic-sort-of-rc-images-for-18-04/ ?
[01:13] <Wild_Man> I was thinking about that a few minutes ago
[01:13] <krytarik> Well, the ML link of course, but yeah.
[01:14] <Wild_Man> Tweet from the Ubuntu Forums account?
[01:15] <krytarik> Well,.. you could do that too, of course - but I primarily meant from the @ubuntu_news one.
[01:16] <Wild_Man> You confused me when you said "the other two are for UWN only" I am not sure what you are referring too. Yes  I will do it.
[01:17] <krytarik> Facebook and Google+
[01:17] <krytarik> And cool, thanks!
[01:26] <Wild_Man> krytarik, Done, now I am going to retweet from forums account.
[01:29] <krytarik> Proper wording there, dude. :)
[01:30] <krytarik> Erm, now I see though, that's also tailored to the UWN..
[01:30] <krytarik> Doesn't matter though!
[01:31] <Wild_Man> krytarik, that is not proper wording?
[01:31] <krytarik> No, I do mean it like that. :)
[01:32] <Wild_Man> Okay!
[01:32] <Wild_Man> I tried my best
[01:33] <Wild_Man> it is hard with my wife watching tv in the same room, I am not good at shutting out noise
[01:33] <krytarik> Yeah, I know that can be..
[01:34] <krytarik> Somebody wanna make the Final Freeze summary a little less copy-pastey still? :P
[01:47] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Oh btw, I did add the social media info to the UWN template earlier today.
[01:55] <Wild_Man> nice!
[15:43] <krytarik> Wild_Man: Morning.  I've just added two more links to the Xfce component updates summary.. :P  These aren't exactly Xfce apps though, but I figure it's still best to bundle those - Bashing-om (who wrote the summary initially) or you, please make it fit somehow without dropping all the details already in there. :)
[15:45] <krytarik> Still wish one could subscribe to the Planet without getting all the full posts btw.
[15:52] <Wild_Man> krytarik, bashing-om wrote it
[15:53] <krytarik> Yes, like I just said..
[15:56] <krytarik> Either way, I just barely got up too and am about to head out, and couldn't come up with an immediate solution to it either - so I figured I should let you both know at least that I added those.. :)
[15:59] <Wild_Man> Okay, I am still waking up
[16:00] <krytarik> Saaame..
[16:00] <krytarik> And just stumbled about this while checking the IRC logs of today.
[21:18] <krytarik> Wild_Man: I've just updated the scripts slightly btw, including the summary one as to the newly added section mentioned earlier: https://git.launchpad.net/uwn/commit/?id=23fc11b8de6bb7d437dbacf9a9bc2f9613e77873
[22:53] <Wild_Man> krytarik, thanks I will pull the script again
[23:29] <Wild_Man> krytarik, is the new letter ready for the wiki?
[23:30] <krytarik> Lemme quickly check again..
[23:31] <Wild_Man> Looks close if not ready
[23:35] <krytarik> Yeah, it's cool - go ahead!
[23:44] <Wild_Man> Okay.