[12:09] <warp10> Hi all
[12:54] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in 6 minutes
[12:55]  * Hobbsee evacuates this irc room
[12:56]  * persia doesn't have a copy of the evacuation plan, and hopes huddling in the doorway is sufficient
[12:56] <dholbach> :)
[12:56] <apachelogger__> ahoy
[12:56] <dholbach> heya
[13:00] <dholbach> welcome to another MOTU Q&A session! how are you all doing?
[13:00] <dholbach> let's start with our usual round of introductions :-)
[13:00] <cheguevara> sleepy :P
[13:00] <Kmos> in a minutes of lunch time =)
[13:00] <txwikinger2> hi folks
[13:00]  * dholbach is Daniel Holbach, member of the MOTU team, tries to help to make becoming a MOTU as enjoyable and straightforward as possible :)
[13:01] <Kmos> and also member of MOTU Council =)
[13:01]  * Hobbsee is car searching.
[13:01]  * Hobbsee has no name.
[13:01]  * txwikinger2 is a MOTU-contributor and wants to become a MOTU .. .and has having a blast doing it
[13:01] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i'm the MOTU clown!  That's right!
[13:01] <cheguevara> lol
[13:01] <Kmos> Hobbsee: hehe
[13:01] <ian_brasil> hi all
[13:02] <dholbach> who of you was in the Kubuntu Tutorials Session yesterday?
[13:02]  * persia is Emmet Hikory, MOTU, who likes to see bugs closed, and contributions from anyone.
[13:02] <dholbach> I see a bunch of familiar nicks in here
[13:02] <txwikinger2> /me
[13:02] <Kmos>  /not me
[13:02]  * apachelogger__ is Harald Sitter, MOTU, focused on KDE stuff
[13:02] <dholbach> did anybody bring a few questions today? maybe something that was unclear in the session yesterday?
[13:03] <dholbach> for those of you who couldn't make it yesterday, the busy kubuntu people already put up logs of the sessions: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[13:04] <dholbach> welcome seyo1
[13:04] <dholbach> no questions? no problems you ran into recently?
[13:04] <mruiz> hi all
[13:04] <dholbach> hi mruiz
[13:04] <apachelogger__> hey mruiz
[13:04] <zul> yes if a tree falls in a forrest..oh wait
[13:04] <mruiz> hi dholbach, apachelogger__
[13:05] <dholbach> zul: hehe
[13:05] <Kmos> hi mruiz !
[13:05] <mruiz> Kmos, ;-)
[13:05]  * txwikinger2 is just enjoying it atm...
[13:05] <persia> Any question welcome.  Things from yesterday, or anything else about MOTU, packaging, process, etc.
[13:05] <mruiz> I have one question with a merge... about the version
[13:05] <dholbach> mruiz: fire away
[13:05] <mruiz> dholbach, sure
[13:05] <seyo1> hi there
[13:06]  * mruiz is looking for the changelog...
[13:07] <dholbach> mruiz: which package was it about?
[13:08] <mruiz> dholbach, mailping (bug #175998) ... MoM gave me this changelog: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48196/
[13:08]  * Hobbsee takes this opportunity to remind people that anyone who uploads an i386.changes file to REVU, when contributing, will be taken out and shot, personally.
[13:09] <dholbach> mruiz: OK, what is your question about it?
[13:09]  * txwikinger2 thinks Australians should not bear arms
[13:09]  * Hobbsee goes on lookout for the 4 people who managed to ignore all documentation on the subject, and do just that.
[13:09]  * persia notes that this would be a figurative shot, and rather means that the upload won't be processed.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> persia: i don't know about that....
[13:10] <dholbach> couldn't REVU deal with it gracefully?
[13:10] <Hobbsee> dholbach: oh, it just sits in incomming
[13:10] <dholbach> mruiz: is your question about the version in the changelog?
[13:10] <Hobbsee> my problem more is the fact that people do not read, or do not comprehend, or something.
[13:10] <dholbach> Hobbsee: couldn't REVU just delete it in a cronjob?
[13:10] <mruiz> if you look about package dates, I think that changelog is wrong Debian version is the latest (Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:46:25 +0200)... then the merge version must be based on Debian version
[13:10]  * txwikinger2 is relieved
[13:10] <dholbach> let's take the REVU discussion to #ubuntu-motu
[13:11] <Hobbsee> hrm.  konversation != firefox
[13:11] <cheguevara> xchat > konversation
[13:11] <apachelogger> Quassel > xchat > konversation
[13:12] <Hobbsee> pft.
[13:12] <apachelogger> but that's another topic :P
[13:12] <elisiano> is there a way to make konversation open the right channel when i click on a channel name (#channel instead of \channel)
[13:12] <mruiz> dholbach, did you understand?
[13:12] <apachelogger> elisiano: #konversation or #kubuntu please
[13:13] <dholbach> mruiz: one thing I note in the changelog is the confusion about the version
[13:13] <dholbach> the ubuntu update from 0.0.4-1 shouldn't have been 0.0.4ubuntu4
[13:13] <elisiano> yeah that wasn't a request, justa complain :D
[13:14] <dholbach> 0.0.4-1ubuntu1 can't be the next version number
[13:14] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 0.0.4ubuntu4 gt 0.0.4-1ubuntu1; echo $?
[13:14] <dholbach> 0
[13:14] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[13:14] <dholbach> so  0.0.4ubuntu4 > 0.0.4-1ubuntu1
[13:15] <dholbach> mruiz: I'm sure that's a reason why the changelog merge went wrong
[13:15] <mruiz> for me, the correct merge changelog should be: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48197/
[13:15] <dholbach> that doesn't work
[13:15] <dholbach> we have 0.0.4ubuntu4 in the archive now
[13:15] <persia> Err..  0.0.4ubuntu4 was the right version: 0.0.4-1 was the mistake.  Current Ubuntu versioning policy doesn't support Debian NMUs of native packages, which causes this sort of issue.
[13:16] <dholbach> which is greater than 0.0.4-1ubuntu1
[13:16] <dholbach> persia: I don't understand
[13:16] <persia> OK.  In Debian, a native package has a version like X.Y.Z
[13:16] <persia> When we make an Ubuntu variation, we version it X.Y.ZubuntuN
[13:17] <dholbach> ok... looking at the full changelog I see what you mean
[13:17] <persia> If there is a Debian NMU of a native package, Debian uploads X.Y.Z-0.N
[13:17] <txwikinger2> why is there a version x.y.z and one x.y.z-a.b in debian then?
[13:17] <dholbach> listen to persia, persia is right :)
[13:17] <persia> However, since X.Y.Z-0.N < X.Y.ZubuntuN, we can't follow the version, and need to push X.Y.Zubuntu(N+1)
[13:18] <apachelogger> txwikinger2: this is from what I understand an ubuntu native package
[13:18] <apachelogger> hence debian _only_ can make a NMU upload since the maintainer is working on ubuntu
[13:18] <txwikinger2> ah
[13:18] <persia> Unfortunately, in this case, someone in Debian QA was confused by this strange practice of NMU versioning in Debian, and uploaded 0.0.4-1, which would indicate a non-native Debian package.
[13:18] <apachelogger> so they should version x.y.z-0.n
[13:18] <apachelogger> although Michael did a -1
[13:19] <persia> MoM is very confused about this: the correct version to upload with the merge is 0.0.4ubuntu5, and the mess should be left in the old changelog due to the "don't change history" policy.
[13:19] <dholbach> mruiz: are things becoming more clear now?
[13:19] <mruiz> sure!
[13:20] <dholbach> any other questions?
[13:20] <txwikinger2> how should it be done correctly to avoid this mess :)
[13:20] <mruiz> dholbach, sure.... then, how is the procedure? (my merge is ready... just waiting for the correct version number)
[13:20] <apachelogger> txwikinger2: debian only does uploads like x.y.z-0.n
[13:21] <apachelogger> the 0.n is the important part of course ;-)
[13:21] <dholbach> the only reasonable thing we can do is have a 0.0.4ubuntu5
[13:21] <dholbach> the version number must be greater, else the upload will be rejected
[13:22]  * mruiz changing the version number...
[13:22] <txwikinger2> and the apt-get install too
[13:22] <dholbach> right
[13:22]  * persia notes that there is both discussion in Debian whether -0.N makes sense, and discussion in Ubuntu whether -0ubuntuN makes sense, and both have lots of problems, so this will likely exist for a while yet.
[13:22] <persia> Err..  -0.0ubuntuN
[13:23] <dholbach> any other questions about processes, how to XYZ done in ubuntu, a specific packaging problem, something you always wondered? don't be shy :)
[13:23] <txwikinger2> Every ubuntu native package has "ubuntu" in its version ?
[13:23] <persia> txwikinger2: No.
[13:24] <mruiz> dholbach, another question about debian/control file
[13:24] <dholbach> mruiz: fire away
[13:24] <persia> txwikinger2: More verbosely, most true Ubuntu-native packages are versioned as X.Y.Z.  Some native packages from Debian are changed in Ubuntu, and are versioned X.Y.ZubuntuN.  Some Ubuntu native packages are adopted by Debian, and versions become confusing.
[13:24] <dholbach> txwikinger2: python-launchpad-bugs for example doesn't :)
[13:24] <mruiz> I was preparing other merge, and Debian version includes new fields ...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48199/ (lines with *)
[13:25] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48199/
[13:25] <mruiz> thanks dholbach
[13:25] <dholbach> mruiz: what's your question about them?
[13:25] <mruiz> how to include them into Ubuntu changelog?
[13:26] <dholbach> mruiz: when you do a merge you preserve the debian/changelog we inherit from debian
[13:26] <persia> mruiz: I'd suggest keeping Uploaders, Homepage, and XS-DM-Allowed.  I'd suggest dropping Vcs-* for a merge, as the Ubuntu packaging is not included in that location.
[13:26] <dholbach> mruiz: but in your entry, you list the changes that we have over the debian package
[13:26]  * persia answered the wrong question :(
[13:26] <geser> mruiz: have you changed them? if no, then why mentioning them in the Ubuntu changelog entry?
[13:27] <geser> persia: is there some consensus what to do with Vcs-* fields from Debian in Ubuntu?
[13:27] <mruiz> as we have a "special" field for the maintainer, I had doubts about another Debian-based fields
[13:27] <dholbach> mruiz: best to just keep them to keep the diff small
[13:28] <mruiz> ok
[13:28] <dholbach> just list the 'remaining changes'
[13:28] <persia> geser: Trend is towards dropping Vcs-* for packages where it doesn't point at the right place for packaging (e.g. Ubuntu variation with non-Ubuntu Vcs-*).  I haven't seen formal docs yet.
[13:29] <mruiz> dholbach,  yes... I do. Just I want to know more about the process ;-)=
[13:29] <dholbach> mruiz: which process? :)
[13:29] <mruiz> merging
[13:29] <dholbach> just ask :)
[13:29] <ScottK> persia: Then I think we should have agreement on it at a MOTU meeting before giving out advice that's the way to do it.
[13:29] <persia> mruiz: The only special field currently is "Maintainer".  "Vcs-*" is under discussion, but there isn't yet an official position.
[13:30] <dholbach> if you feel there are things missing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging please say so
[13:30] <dholbach> ScottK: I think this should be decided in the big ubuntu picture
[13:30] <dholbach> I know that mvo had some ideas on how to solve the problem
[13:30] <txwikinger2> dholbach: I have a questiojn regarding upstream
[13:30] <dholbach> txwikinger2: just ask :)
[13:30] <persia> ScottK: It's more than MOTU.  There's ideas for a spec being bounced around.
[13:31] <txwikinger2> Do I create unnessary work if I put a patch for the bug in lp and also send the patch to upstream?
[13:31] <dholbach> txwikinger2: that depends on how reactive the debian maintainer is or the upstream author is and at which stage of the release cycle we are
[13:32] <dholbach> txwikinger2: let's say we are 3 weeks away from the release and your patch fixes a critical crasher
[13:32] <dholbach> in that case you apply it, upload it and forward it upstream
[13:32] <dholbach> but in that case it's not worth to wait for an upstream update or a new release
[13:32] <dholbach> does that make sense?
[13:32] <txwikinger2> yes.
[13:32] <txwikinger2> So at the moment I try to first get it applied upstream that it can be synced?
[13:33]  * persia generally recommends uploads to Ubuntu anytime after DIF
[13:33] <dholbach> yes, that makes sense for software that is released regularly
[13:33] <txwikinger2> persia: When is DIF?
[13:33] <dholbach> for example in GNOME land where you get a new release every two weeks it makes perfect sense to wait to get your patch rolled into the upstream release
[13:33] <dholbach> txwikinger2: yesterday :)
[13:34] <txwikinger2> SO we are after now, and we apply directly to ubuntu?
[13:34] <persia> txwikinger2: Yesterday, but for things like GNOME or Open Office or X or the kernel, you'll do better to work with upstream, as Ubuntu tries not to have so much variation.
[13:34] <txwikinger2> ok
[13:35] <dholbach> so what seb128 does in the case of GNOME: he sets the bug to fix committed (as it's fixed upstream already)
[13:35] <persia> For little edge packages in universe, an upload is usually easier, as there's not such close coordination with upstream.
[13:35] <dholbach> and when he prepares the version update to ubuntu, he checks all 'fix committed' bugs and adds (LP: #123456) entries for all fixed bugs to the changelog
[13:35]  * dholbach agrees with persia
[13:35] <dholbach> it depends on the software and the upstream maintainer
[13:36] <txwikinger2> ok.. I can work with that
[13:36] <dholbach> great
[13:37] <dholbach> anything else you found problematic on your way to MOTU? or anything that could have been easier?
[13:37] <txwikinger2> dholbach: IS there any place that really needs some help atm or shoudl I knock myself out on the bitesizes?
[13:37]  * persia recommends updates to Ubuntu-only packages
[13:37] <mruiz> things are becoming easier
[13:38] <dholbach> txwikinger2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO has a bunch of stuff to do
[13:38] <dholbach> FTBFS problems
[13:38] <dholbach> also mvo files a whole lot of upgrade-failed bugs
[13:38] <dholbach> although I have to admit I forget which tag he uses for those
[13:39] <dholbach> those upgrade bugs will be more important during the cycle
[13:40] <dholbach> as we'll support upgrades from dapper to hardy this time
[13:40] <mruiz> Where can I find information about .desktop files? Some packages include foo.desktop.in and foo.desktop... what is the difference?
[13:40] <persia> mruiz: desktop.in is usually a .desktop pre-translation integration.
[13:40] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles has more information on .desktop files
[13:41] <dholbach> mruiz: does that answer your question?
[13:42] <txwikinger2> cool that answers the question I was gonna ask next :D
[13:42] <dholbach> oh really? which question was that? :)
[13:43] <txwikinger2> about menu icons
[13:43] <mruiz> dholbach, persia : thanks...
[13:43] <dholbach> ah ok
[13:43] <dholbach> whenever you come across documentation and there's something that's missing or wrong, please let me know
[13:43] <dholbach> I'm happy to help fixing it
[13:43] <persia> txwikinger2: Actually, that data about icons is a little out of date, but at least minimally useful.
[13:43] <txwikinger2> persia: well I wondered if icons are supposed to be part of the artwork
[13:44] <mruiz> I'm looking for information about the Categories field. In a particular case, Ubuntu uses Categories=GNOME;Application;Game;ArcadeGame; and Debian: Categories=GNOME;Game;ArcadeGame;
[13:44] <dholbach> txwikinger2: why? or what are you after with your question?
[13:44] <persia> txwikinger2: Icons have places in both packages and themes.  Themes rarely have enough icons to cover all 25,000 packages, but packages should support theming for themes that do have support for those packages.
[13:45] <txwikinger2> Well, I see a lot of bugs for missing icons in the Kubuntu menu for gnome apps
[13:45] <txwikinger2> I wondered if they should be in the kubuntu artworks, or in the gnome app package
[13:45] <dholbach> I would be much happier if .desktop files were sent upstream
[13:45] <persia> mruiz: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html has the Categories list.  Use one main category, and as many Additional Categories as are appropriate.
[13:46] <dholbach> because upstream integration of .desktop files is the only way to get them translated properly
[13:46] <dholbach> and we wouldn't have to carry myriads of .desktop file patches :)
[13:47] <persia> txwikinger2: The "missing icon in Kubuntu" issue is mostly due to not putting the icons in the ideal place.  This doesn't require a new icon, only moving it to the right directories.
[13:47] <txwikinger2> ah ok
[13:47]  * persia agrees with dholbach, but notes that app-install-data is built in part on the presence of .desktop files
[13:47] <dholbach> right
[13:47] <dholbach> still the right fix to me seems to be upstream :)
[13:47] <dholbach> regarding the upgrade problems bugs:
 dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager: feisty2gutsy
[13:47] <dholbach>  dholbach: edgy2feisty etc
[13:48] <dholbach> ^ mvo just answered
[13:48] <persia> Actually, I think that's true for almost all of our non-packaging bugs.
[13:48]  * dholbach nods
[13:50] <dholbach> feisty to gutsy upgrade problems for example: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=feisty2gutsy
[13:51]  * dholbach should link them from MOTU/TODO
[13:51] <dholbach> anything else on your mind?
[13:53] <dholbach> if not, let's close the session for today - #ubuntu-motu is open 24/7 as is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:-)
[13:53] <mruiz> dholbach, yes... about the version change!
[13:53] <dholbach> mruiz: ah ok... which version change? mailping?
[13:53] <mruiz> dholbach, yes. Do I have to rename the directory too?
[13:53] <persia> mruiz: Yes.
[13:54] <dholbach> debuild should take care of that for you
[13:54] <mruiz> :-)
[13:54] <mruiz> anyway... we can continue in #ubuntu-motu
[13:54] <dholbach> ok great
[13:54]  * dholbach will take the dog for a walk
[13:54] <mruiz> thanks guys, you rock!
[13:55] <dholbach> thanks for great questions and a great session
[13:55] <dholbach> mruiz++ :)
[13:55] <txwikinger2> thanks dholbach
[13:57] <mruiz> bye guys
[13:58] <dholbach> bye
[14:08] <effie_jayx> no motu today?
[14:09] <Hobbsee> effie_jayx: you're late.
[14:13] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  ohhhhhhh
[14:13] <effie_jayx> timezone change in my country
[14:13] <effie_jayx> darn
[14:14] <mruiz> buuu effie_jayx !
[14:15] <effie_jayx> mruiz,  I must face mergers alon
[14:15] <mruiz> alone
[14:20] <effie_jayx> mruiz,  right
[14:20] <mruiz> effie_jayx, don't be shy... #ubuntu-motu is waiting for us ;-)
[14:21] <effie_jayx> mruiz,  I shall head into it
[15:07] <bazhang> is motu for mere mortals as well? :}
[15:09] <effie_jayx> bazhang,  yeah
[15:10] <effie_jayx> not really difficult
[15:10] <effie_jayx> you need to learn some tools
[15:10] <bazhang> effie_jayx: cool, thanks :}
[15:10] <effie_jayx> but not nuclear science
[15:10] <Hobbsee> we eat people occasionally, though
[15:10] <bazhang> haha
[15:10] <Hobbsee> if we're hungry
[15:11] <bazhang> I'll wait until after lunch then
[16:02] <effie_jayx> Hobbsee,  lol
[16:03] <Hobbsee> :)


[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:57] <foobarry> seen on my way to work this morning :D https://imgur.com/a/NQe2J
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> we need a matrix law were all console text is green for geeky reasons... :-)
[10:26] <foobarry> any thinderbird users use an alternate search addon to replace b*ng?
[10:34] <foobarry> Works with Thunderbird 11.0 - 31.*
[10:36] <SuperMatt> I haven't used an email client in ages
[10:36] <SuperMatt> Google Inbox does everything I need
[10:37] <foobarry> web client slow if you have 10s of thousands of mails
[10:38] <SuperMatt> I archive everything I don't need to work on
[10:39] <SuperMatt> which means my inbox currently only has 2 emails in it
[10:39] <SuperMatt> tell a lie, it's only 1
[10:39] <foobarry> you're talking to someone with 169 tabs
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I just don't understand that
[10:40] <SuperMatt> it sounds to me like you're working on too many things at once
[10:40] <foobarry> yep.
[10:40] <foobarry> and i'm also a manager so need to switch focus constantly to support my team
[10:55] <foobarry> i opened 40 tabs alone trying to get a newer tensorflow for ppc64le arch
[14:07] <diddledan> I cringe hard every time I hear an american say "soldering" with no L like "soddering"
[14:07]  * zmoylan-pi hands diddledan a donut to calm him down...
[14:09] <penguin42> a jelly donut?
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> these ones are filled with custard...
[14:10] <diddledan> in lethal weapon 3 the driver lady of the armored money van that gets hijacked first off says that murtagh "puts the jam in my jelly roll"!! what voodoo is that? it is jam or jelly?!
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> in usa it can be both...
[14:11] <diddledan> but they moan when we call jam jam
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> is that jam uses whole pieces of fruit, while jelly uses the juice:
[14:13] <penguin42> now you're getting technical
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> if i wanted to get technical about food i'd post a link to the computer error that made half of uk's kfc's shut due to lack of chicken... a fowl, no fowl error... :-)
[14:15] <diddledan> how does a shop that sells only chicken run out of chicken?!
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> they hire new suppliers who promise to do the same job for less
[14:15] <penguin42> DHL are now mentioning the company that does software
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> how hard can the software be, chicken in, chicken out...
[14:16] <penguin42> yeh, even if they fell back to just loading trucks up with the basic supplies and sending them around each shop in the area
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> but then you'd need staff who knew the routes and locations of the shops...
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> but they cost more money than some schlub the dole office sent
[14:17] <diddledan> "We’ve brought a new delivery partner on board, but they’ve had a couple of teething problems" HAH
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> great pic of a chicken mountain going nowhere fast in daily mail i think it was
[14:18] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: you just give them a list of all the locations
[14:19] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I doubt DHLs problem is sending a truck to a location
[14:19] <zmoylan-pi> and with the amount of locations they have to cover they won't make it in a day, hence half the shops don't get delieveries
[14:20] <penguin42> nah that's easy; you just send n-trucks
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> but doing it for less means less trucks doing more...
[14:21] <penguin42> yeh but you should be able to do it for the 'oh heck we've screwed up' situation
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> but software doesn't seem able to map a quicker route for supplying
[14:21] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I can't believe that it can be a route problem, I can believe it can be a route+logistics of what supplies are needed where
[14:21] <directhex> truck route mapping is big business
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure their old supplier will loan them the trucks at a very reasonable fee...
[14:22] <directhex> i think it's UPS where their routing software tries to reduce or eliminate left turns (in the US)
[14:22] <directhex> since left turns mean crossing traffic, so take longer
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but many of their cities are grids whereas in uk and ireland using the 'optimal' route suggested by software will mean taking a left through mrs. murphys front room...
[14:23] <directhex> mrs murphy had it coming
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> she also has connections and will see you going...
[14:25] <diddledan> connections to bristol via salisbury
[14:25] <diddledan> change here for exeter
[14:30] <penguin42> the next big news story will be how many tonnes of out-of-date/rotting unshipped chicken they've had to dump
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> one word... kebab...
[14:44] <Nafallo> ooooh. kebab ♥
[14:45] <diddledan> why do people have such a problem writing "than" always spelling it as "then". e.g. "I'd rather do xyz then abc"
[14:46] <zmoylan-pi> just add them to the same list of people who misused literally so much that they changed the meaning of literally to figuratively...
[14:46] <Nafallo> ...add them literally or figuratively?
[14:46] <KrimZon_2_> try to out-'than' them
[14:47] <KrimZon_2_> 'then' rather
[14:51] <diddledan> e.g. 2: "libv4l2: error set_fmt gave us a different result then try_fmt!"
[14:51]  * diddledan swears at delivery man
[14:52] <diddledan> ring door bell and run
[14:54] <diddledan> how do I complain to amazon?
[14:55] <penguin42> there's a button under the order somewhere isn't there?
[14:56] <zmoylan-pi> diddledan: you order a do it yourself scorpion pit and a large new doormat? :-P
[14:56] <SuperMatt> diddledan: at least you had someone ring the door bell
[14:58] <diddledan> yeah, and then burger off
[14:59] <diddledan> it's not as if I took ages answering
[14:59] <diddledan> I was there within 15 seconds
[15:04] <SuperMatt> Alas we've now created the problem of Amazon drivers. They just have too many deliveries to fulfil
[15:06] <penguin42> yeh, they've got to do the chicken yet
[15:06] <SuperMatt> pffft
[15:06] <penguin42> hmm, the chicken run?
[15:08] <Nafallo> penguin42: "do not run" button ;-)
[15:08] <Nafallo> I love the idea
[15:08] <diddledan> amazon need some kind of feedback system for their drivers to be chastised for ring-and-run failed deliveries
[15:08] <Nafallo> perhaps it should be a tick box.
[15:11] <penguin42> diddledan: It's almost rare for them to bother getting out of the van
[15:12] <diddledan> reply from their support: "To serve you at my best in this situation,  I have personally contacted the carrier and have asked them to deliver the parcel as soon as possible on priority basis without any delay"
[15:15] <SuperMatt> Amazon's support is normally top drawer
[15:16] <diddledan> although there's a slight language barrier with the person who replied, I'll forgive them that though :-p "Rest assured that you will not contact us with these types of hassle"
[15:16] <diddledan> that could be read as *YOU WILL NOT CONTACT US AGAIN*
[15:16] <SuperMatt> heh
[15:16] <diddledan> I get their meaning though
[15:17] <SuperMatt> We've had issues where no one has bothered to ring. My wife is stay-at-home, so they can't get away with it
[15:17] <SuperMatt> I've started adding delivery notes to everything that say if we're not in to deliver to any of the neighbours in the building
[15:17] <diddledan> :-)
[15:56] <NET||abuse> hi there folks, we have an IPSEC vpn to work, and i want to use it with gnome network manager, but i dont know where to set the correct fields for it's config
[15:57] <NET||abuse> in /etc/vpnc/work.conf i have IPSec gateway vpn.work.address    IPSEC ID  blah   IPec secret xyz123 Xauth username me   Domain LONDON  Xauth interactive
[15:58] <NET||abuse> but when i open the NM applet to config a cisco vpn, i don tsee the right field names for those options
[16:00] <NET||abuse> i see gateway, username password, group name, group password
[16:00] <NET||abuse> advanced has some other stuff, but still not the same fields at all
[16:00] <NET||abuse> nothing "IPSec" related
[16:06] <Nafallo> NET||abuse: network-manager-openconnect-gnome is the package you want. It's not just IPSEC, it's also Cisco AnyConnect.
[16:16] <NET||abuse> Nafallo: i already have that installed.
[16:18] <NET||abuse> trying to configure it, there's no fields for IPSec secred, or ID or anything
[16:18] <NET||abuse> DOMAIN
[16:18] <NET||abuse> user
[16:26] <Nafallo> the gateway should provide that dialog when you use the right address, surely?
[16:26] <Nafallo> at least it looks like so in my config.
[17:10] <NET||abuse> Nafallo: that's an ssl vpn, this is an ipsec config i'm trying to get working? no?
[17:21]  * penguin42 used to just run vpnc manually I think
[17:24] <diddledan> I use network-manager-l2tp-gnome along with libreswan (it defaults to installing strongswan which was wonky for me). although that's for an ipsec+l2tp tunnel - if you're just using ipsec alone then no idea
[17:26] <penguin42> fortunately we switched to openvpn at work so that solved itself
[17:33] <diddledan> people usually opt for l2tp/ipsec because it works ootb on windows and macos
[19:47] <diddledan> okie, exspurts, how do I get loonicks to output the console to a usb serial adapter?
[19:48] <penguin42> hmm, I suspect console=ttyUSB0 doesn't work unless you build a kernel with the usb serial and usb adapters compiled in
[19:49] <diddledan> yeah, I tried that but nada
[19:49] <diddledan> I'm trying to get logs of a crash/hang related to intel gfx on my macbook using the ubuntu "mainline kernel" ppa
[19:50] <daftykins> so which kernel upon which release?
[19:51] <diddledan> I'm testing 4.16.0-rc1 right now
[19:51] <diddledan> and buntu 17.10
[19:53] <daftykins> eww
[19:56] <daftykins> definitely reckon it's kernel level eh? not some other layer o' the stack
[19:57] <penguin42> if the network falls off then it's probably kernel
[19:59] <diddledan> fairly sure, yeah: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1748678
[20:00] <brobostigon> :12
[20:00] <brobostigon> sorry
[20:00] <diddledan> I was gonna say the exact thing
[20:15] <penguin42> daftykins: How easily can you get it to fail?
[20:16] <diddledan> not easily at all
[20:16] <daftykins> easy, it's a mac - it does it by design ;D
[20:16] <daftykins> didn't see talk of network prior
[20:17] <diddledan> it's only a 13 incher so it's not "too big to fail"
[20:17] <penguin42> steam rollers it....
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> maybe you're networking it wrong... :-P
[20:20] <penguin42> diddledan: I wonder if efi pstore works/is safe on macs
[20:21] <diddledan> lol @ email to full-disclosure - referring to the mozilla updater exe: "this 306kB "large" program is an UPX-compressed 7-zip self-extractor of whopping 394kB size, which contains a single "setup-stub.exe" of 406kB size"
[20:22] <diddledan> pstore?
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: It's a kernel feature that lets you store kernel oops/errors into teh EFI non-volatile memory
[20:22] <diddledan> aah, no idea
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: Some early uEFIs didn't take too well to it filling up though


[00:23] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: Here are the results of my experiment (RHEL 7.7, cloud-init 19.4 daily) https://pastebin.com/QiVZAbGu
[00:23] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: What seems to be happening is that cloud-init would run the swap directive first, then run the mount directive (towards the bottom of the pasted log).
[00:32] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: In the docs at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#mounts , with the way that the example is laid out, it seems to hint that the swap directive is run after the mount directive.
[00:34] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: In the upstream code, what's happening is that the swapfile is created first at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/87cd040ed8fe7195cbb357ed3bbf53cd2a81436c/cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py#L465 , the swapfile is then activated at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/87cd040ed8fe7195cbb357ed3bbf53cd2a81436c/cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py#L511 , and finally entries in /etc/fstab are mounted at https://github.com/canonical/c
[00:34] <johnsonshi> loud-init/blob/87cd040ed8fe7195cbb357ed3bbf53cd2a81436c/cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py#L520
[00:35] <johnsonshi> https://github.com/canonical/c
 loud-init/blob/87cd040ed8fe7195cbb357ed3bbf53cd2a81436c/cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py#L520
[00:35] <johnsonshi> Ooops (sigh IRC formatting). and finally entries in /etc/fstab are mounted at https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/87cd040ed8fe7195cbb357ed3bbf53cd2a81436c/cloudinit/config/cc_mounts.py#L520
[00:37] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: By the way for context, our team's goal is to mount the Azure ephemeral resource disk at /mnt/resource, and then afterwards, create a swapfile within the mounted ephemeral resource disk.
[00:54] <johnsonshi> Odd_Bloke: Apologies. The first pastebin was badly formatted. Here is a better one: https://pastebin.com/3cu364dD
[01:19] <rharper> johnsonshi:  I believe you're an edge case here; the ephemeral device mount is not processed until until cloud-init runs the mount -a; however, we also attempt to create the swap , in your config you're referencing a path that doesn't exist yet (and even if we were to "mkdir -p /mnt/resource" that would *not* be on the ephemeral disk as it's not been mounted when the swap_create runs;
[01:21] <johnsonshi> rharpher: Yes indeed :( The code runs swapfile creation and swapfile activation before it mounts drives.
[01:22] <rharper> johnsonshi: what you could do is to partition the ephemeral disk into two partitions, one is the size of the swap you wanted, the second would be whatever else space you wanted mounted at /mnt/resource ;   during disk_setup, the ephemeral drive would be partitioned and mkswap would be run on the swap partition, and the fs partition would get formated with ext4 (or whatever you wanted)  then in cc_mounts, it will swapon -a (no need to create a swap
[01:22] <rharper> since that's done via disk_setup/fs_setup; just an entry in fstab and swapon -a
[01:22] <rharper> have you filed a bug for us yet ?
[01:22] <rharper> I can see a number of things that would need changing to support your particular goal
[01:23] <johnsonshi> Not yet. Is this a bug or is cloud-init intended to run swap-related stuff first before mount-related stuff?
[01:24] <rharper> johnsonshi: it is a bug; but an edge case where the swap config is referencing a path that is to-be-mounted
[01:24] <johnsonshi> rharper: OK I will file a bug in Launchpad. Thanks for your help!
[01:24] <rharper> the other bug is in the swap create which does not ensure it has a path to the file (if you specify a directory that does not yet exist )
[01:25] <rharper> johnsonshi: thanks!
[10:06] <otubo> meena: I agree I can remove -? from the regex, but the wait it's written it work great for me.
[10:06] <otubo> meena: I mean, I can compare kernel_version <= 4.18 and it works fine, not sure I really need to make that dance with tuples and stuff
[10:30] <meena> otubo: but, float(4.4) > float(4.18), while Version(4.4) < Version(4.18)
[10:30] <meena> otubo: when you compare it as (4, 4) < (4, 18) — as tuples, it works.
[10:34] <otubo> meena: ohhhh you're right
[10:34] <otubo> meena: stupid me, gonna fix that
[10:34] <meena> otubo: i'm merely relaying what i've been taught a week ago; you must've missed it
[15:54] <boolman> hi guys, am I looking at this wrong, but is the network setup being done to late? http://ix.io/2ce7
[15:57] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: We ran into some issues with the version tooling and new upstream releases in GitHub; I've proposed a fix here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/223/ and your thoughts would be much appreciated.
[15:58] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: (If you don't have time to look at this today, we may need to land it to cut the 20.1 release; later conversation would be welcome to make sure we have it right going forward.)
[15:58] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: rharper: Your reviews on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/223/ would also be appreciated, of course. :)
[16:00] <rharper> k
[16:11] <boolman> anyone? im trying to get ubuntu bionic to work with cloud-init on vmware/vsphere. And it seems like during the time of execution. the network isnt setup yet
[16:13] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: looks good. running through the package build stuff I normally run to vet it.
[16:13] <Odd_Bloke> boolman: Could you file a bug at the URL in the topic and attach the tarball that `cloud-init collect-logs` creates on a failing instance?
[16:14] <blackboxsw> boolman that log shows it didn't detect the datasource properly. so it's probably using invalid network config
[16:14] <blackboxsw> 2020-01-30 12:32:30,158 - cc_final_message.py[WARNING]: Used fallback datasource
[16:14] <blackboxsw> but yes please file a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug
[16:50] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Thanks for the review!  (And the trust. ^_^)
[17:03] <blackboxsw> minor question  on 223 Odd_Bloke but otherwise +1
[17:05] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Thanks; responded.
[17:11] <blackboxsw> oops Odd_Bloke, glad you reminded me about that, forgot we added it last upstream cut, and didn't adjust the upstream trello template for it.
[17:49] <rharper> meena: do you know if the free/net bsd images have util-linux available (in particular wondering if sfdisk is present) ?
[18:09] <meena> https://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=name&method=match&query=until-Linux&num=10&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search&format=html&effort=1&branch=head
[18:11] <meena> https://www.freshports.org/search.php?stype=pkg-plist&method=match&query=sfdisk&num=10&orderby=category&orderbyupdown=asc&search=Search&format=html&branch=head aaaaand, maybe
[18:12] <rharper> meena: do the cloud images typically have that or do they use gpart ?
[18:12] <meena> of course not
[18:13] <rharper> ok, thanks
[18:14] <meena> let's find out what you want from sfdisk, and how to do that with what we have
[18:15] <rharper> oh, working on cc_growpart changes and was wondering whether freebsd images ever end up taking the path down use of growpart (which relies on either sfdisk or sgdisk); from the code, I would expect gpart to be used on bsd; and growpart on linux;
[18:15] <rharper> hoping to confirm that
[18:18] <meena> it's easier on zfs, which is what i use
[18:30] <meena> but, yeah, gpart resize should have you set
[18:32] <Goneri> rharper, I've some prebuilt images here https://bsd-cloud-image.org/
[18:32] <Goneri> rharper, you may find that useful
[19:03] <rharper> Goneri: thanks !
[21:00] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: master failed as expected: https://travis-ci.org/canonical/cloud-init/builds/653174091
[21:55] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: blackboxsw: Could I get one of you to review https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/224 please?  (ubuntu/devel for the focal upload.)
[21:55] <blackboxsw> grabbing
[21:56] <blackboxsw> comparing against mine
[21:57] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[21:59] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: +1 are you going to build-and-push then
[21:59] <blackboxsw> I think we intentionally don't merge those PRs
[22:00] <blackboxsw> specifcally:   /home/csmith/src/uss-tableflip/scripts/build-and-push  is what I was referring to
[22:09] <Odd_Bloke> I've not used that script before, let me take a look.
[22:10] <Odd_Bloke> I don't seem to have that script locally?
[22:11] <Odd_Bloke> I'll just build/push manually as I have in the past.
[22:13] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Do we have docs on how to do https://trello.com/c/5kz3z848/18-publish-to-copr-el-testing-repo ?
[22:14] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: only that checklist, which at the moment is broken because of our py3 switch and paride is intending to look at things after Utah py3
[22:14] <blackboxsw> I think we might have to block that aspect of things as run-contraner centos/7 etc won't work at the moment.
[22:16] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I don't see a checklist?
[22:16] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: (And what's the problem with `run-container centos/7` ATM?)
[22:16] <blackboxsw> https://trello.com/c/oDCHFP8W/6-publish-upstream-version-to-copr-el-testing-repository
[22:16] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: cent7 + py3 = broken build
[22:17] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: sorry I thought we were looking  at the same card. weird the card copy didn't contain that checklist
[22:17] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: since the py2 drop, we don't have a building cloud-init daily on cent7 as cent7 doesn't have proper py3 support
[22:17] <Odd_Bloke> Right, I'm aware of that.
[22:17] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: rharper right, and otubo mentioned he might be able to find us a contact in CentOS/7 space that could help us locate the correct missing python3 package deps for CentOS/7 and or 8.
[22:18] <rharper> ISTR, we effectively want cent7 daily to be held at 19.4 (origin/stable-19.4)
[22:18] <Odd_Bloke> Just wasn't sure what that had to do with run-container?
[22:18] <rharper> and the fedora-build branch I proposed enables F28+ and centos8 to work on py3
[22:18] <rharper> Odd_Bloke: nothing directly
[22:18] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: right, my magic missing checklist has those steps which rely on run-container centos/7 to build the rpm spec  file that we upload to copr
[22:18] <Odd_Bloke> OK, fair enough.
[22:20] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: OK, and (hopefully) finally: https://trello.com/c/gYoMXSdz/30-bump-cloudinit-revision-to-upstreamnewversion looks to me like it's done as part of other steps now, can it be garbage collected?
[22:20] <Odd_Bloke> Or am I misunderstanding it?
[22:20] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: did you happen to copy over the checklist into the trello card https://trello.com/c/oDCHFP8W/6-publish-upstream-version-to-copr-el-testing-repository just now?
[22:20] <blackboxsw> oooooh we have duplicate copr upload cards
[22:20] <blackboxsw> one in Cutting SRU and one in pre-sru lane
[22:20] <blackboxsw> and the one in pre-sru lane doesn't have the steps
[22:21] <Odd_Bloke> Haha, OK, that explains it.
[22:21] <Odd_Bloke> So are we skipping the COPR step entirely, or am I building a SRPM and publishing it anyway?
[22:21] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: and yes that card on bumping upstream version needs garbage collection (and removal from template)
[22:22] <blackboxsw> it was pre me writing that silly uss-tableflip/script/upstream-release  at end of last upstream
[22:22] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I think we can skip and talk about that at standup tomorrow
[22:22] <blackboxsw> I think it should block on us resolving our tools/run-container issue with centos/7 & 8 builds
[22:22] <blackboxsw> per paride's work
[22:24] <Odd_Bloke> Cool.
[22:25] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Speaking of that script, I found a few hard-coded values: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/pull/35
[22:26] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: for reference as well rharper wrote up this manual build process and discussion  for el-stable and el-testing if we decide eventually to drop some of tools/run-container support https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/blob/master/doc/copr-repo-el-repos.md
[22:26] <blackboxsw> but I'm guessing  you've seen that already
[22:27] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I'll pick up those documentation/script fixes tomorrow.


[06:10] <zzz_> h
[06:11] <cfhowlett> ijklmnop
[08:23] <smartboyhw> :O now the channel has so many people!
[08:24] <smartboyhw> ypwong, how did you do that?:P
[08:24] <ypwong> smartboyhw, heh, i didn't do anything :)
[08:25] <smartboyhw> ypwong, LOL
[08:28] <cfhowlett> I'm shocked.  I figured with 1.whatever billion people, this place would be swamped ...
[08:48] <ypwong> #ubuntu-cn is quite swamped
[08:48] <ypwong> cfhowlett, did you go to the last blug meeting?
[09:33] <cfhowlett> ypwong, yes, my first.
[09:34] <cfhowlett> ypwong, interesting group.
[09:34] <cfhowlett> ypwong, and there was a canonical guy there who presented openstack.  Does Canonical have Beijing offices?
[10:19] <ypwong> cfhowlett, didn't know you were there, i was sitting on the far left, just in front of the kitchen
[10:19] <ypwong> there is an office in ZhongGuanCun
[10:20] <cfhowlett> ypwong, oh.  sorry I missed you.
[10:20] <cfhowlett> ypwong, you were the Chinese guy?
[10:20] <cfhowlett> :)
[10:20] <ypwong> cfhowlett, yup
[10:21] <cfhowlett> ypwong, next time, introductions all around.  I seem to recall I was the only black guy in the room.
[10:21] <ypwong> cfhowlett, yeah, that night was getting late...
[10:22] <ypwong> started late, and the talk was a bit long..
[10:23] <cfhowlett> ypwong, yeah.  I'm glad I was able to find the new location.
[10:23] <ypwong> very hard to find


[21:17] <Guest69> Hi, is it possible for gnome to work with Ubuntu WSL ?
[21:18] <Guest69> ?
[21:19] <Guest69> #ubuntu-wsl


[00:17] <guidemario> hi ... I'd like to know if it's possible to write some commands on a text file and save it in a kind of extension (like .BAT for windows) to run the commands when I click on this file.
[00:22] <David-A> guidemario: extension on file names does not matter in *nix and mac (well, sometimes but not as much as in win*). what matters is that the file has executable permission and a proper magic header.
[00:23] <David-A> guidemario: for a text file with terminal commands, the header should be a so called shebang, that is a line #!/bin/bash (and executable permission of course)
[01:07] <a5tr4al> anyone get iphone syncing with xubuntu
[01:57] <Lanzu> Hello! I just installed Xubuntu on my X121e Lenovo netbook, But it won't start. I only get "Operation System not found" How do I fix this?
[01:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Well... step 1: Is your computer a "Certified for Windows 8" machine?
[02:00] <Lanzu> I don't think so.
[02:01] <Lanzu> It came without and OS and I had Win 7 running on it
[02:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: 32- or 64-bit machine? (Probably the latter?)
[02:02] <Lanzu> SonikkuAmerica: 64-bit yea
[02:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Do you have a 64-bit Live image?
[02:03] <Lanzu> SonikkuAmerica: on USB yep
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Step 3: Boot from it, and select "Try Xubuntu without installing"
[02:04] <Lanzu> SonikkuAmerica: okay doing just that
[02:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Step 4: Connect to the Internet.
[02:07] <Lanzu> SonikkuAmerica: established
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Step 5: In a terminal [ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install boot-repair ]
[02:13] <Lanzu> uhh can I change the keyboard to a german setting?
[02:14] <Lanzu> I never used US layout before. so that is hindering me right now...
[02:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Settings Manager > Keyboard (or Keyboard Layout, I forgot which, I'm on Kubuntu atm)
[02:16] <Lanzu> nvm found it :D
[02:17] <Lanzu> i can only find "terminal emulator" is that the right thing?
[02:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Yeah, that's the terminal.
[02:21] <Lanzu> okay it's downloading
[02:22] <Lanzu> and done.
[02:22] <Lanzu> should I restart now?
[02:24] <SonikkuAmerica> No.
[02:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Not yet.
[02:24] <Lanzu> ok
[02:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Now run Boot Repair from terminal: [ boot-repair ]
[02:26] <Lanzu> "RAID detetect you might want to retry after installing the [mdadm] packages. (sudo apt-get install -y --forces-yes mdadm --no-install-recommends)
[02:27] <Lanzu> so I guess I'll just do what the prompt says?
[02:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Oh dear, you have a RAID array?
[02:28] <Lanzu> Appearently? :3
[02:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: You may want to ask tomorrow in the main #ubuntu channel. Mainly because it's getting late and RAID arrays are best supported in there.
[02:28] <Lanzu> you say it like that's a bad thing though...
[02:28] <Lanzu> okay will do that
[02:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: Not that it's a bad thing per se, just that it's a little harder to mainpulate
[02:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: And that I in particular don't know a thing about it :)
[02:30] <Lanzu> I see :3
[02:30] <Lanzu> Thanks for your time though!
[02:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Lanzu: You're welcome!
[06:22] <hoopes4908> OMG yeah baby!!! Just installed my virgin XUbuntu program!
[06:22] <hoopes4908> Feel like kid in candy store
[06:22] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, you seem ... excited?
[06:23] <hoopes4908> Very lol
[06:23] <hoopes4908> this is amazing
[06:23] <hoopes4908> screw windows 8
[06:23] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, strictly speaking, xubuntu is the operating system, not a program.  Glad you're enjoying it though.
[06:23] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, what will you use your computer for?
[06:24] <hoopes4908> Primarily just home web use, I own/run my own insurance agency
[06:24] <hoopes4908> it's a home/business PC
[06:24] <SunStar> well it'll be perfect for that
[06:24] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, nice.  well, I suggest you install dropbox so you can backup to the cloud those things you can't lose.
[06:25] <hoopes4908> OK Yeah I have lots to learn obviously much different than Windows 8 im running with
[06:25] <SunStar> nice to have many backups stored in different physical locations.   doesnt matter how many backups you have if they are all destroyed in 1 fire  ;)
[06:25] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, also you might want to install libreoffice or you can go with Google Docs ...
[06:25] <SunStar> ^
[06:26] <hoopes4908> OK what do you recommend?
[06:26] <hoopes4908> Apparently it's telling me I need to reboot, TTYL ;-)
[06:26] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, libreoffice has worked quite well for this MS Office refugee
[06:27] <hoopes4908> OK great, TY
[06:27] <SunStar> actually to be honest, if the machines can run win8 you may want to try something with a better apllication library out of the box (less time spent configuring new boxes.) Ubuntu Studio is based off xubuntu if you like the current look and feel.
[06:27] <cfhowlett> hoopes4908, with the exception of a functional replacement for MS Outlook ...
[06:28] <SunStar> thunderbird is getting close i think
[06:28] <cfhowlett> SunStar, not sure I'd go that far.  I use US and it's excellent for producing multimedia content.  For office/business use though?
[06:29] <SunStar> just saying, i doubt he wants to remove abiword and install libre every time
[06:29] <cfhowlett> SunStar, noted.
[06:29] <SunStar> then again the ubuntu customization kit will get ur xubuntu just the way you like it for easy rollout of new systems
[06:31] <Sysi> it takes like half an hour to set up pretty much any custom xubuntu setup, even if you reinstall every 6 months it's not that bad
[06:32] <cfhowlett> Sysi, reinstall every 6 months?  Why would one do that?  Not following ...
[06:32] <Sysi> if you use /home on separate partition you just need a list of programs to install/remove and it's pretty much automated
[06:32] <Sysi> cfhowlett: 13.04 and following non-lts release have support span of 9 months
[06:33] <cfhowlett> Sysi, which is why I ONLY install LTS releases.
[06:33] <cfhowlett> Sysi, but your /home suggestion is spot on
[06:33] <Sysi> yeah, with lts is every 2 years
[06:33] <Sysi> though every six months I'd might actually try upgrade instead of clean install
[06:34] <Sysi> work machine might be better with LTS, but you might need PPA to get newer/better libreoffice
[06:34] <cfhowlett> Sysi, I am SO spoiled.  I actually try to do WORK with my system so the potential breakage/headaches/reconfiguration every release just doesn't work for me.
[06:35] <cfhowlett> Sysi, you can download the latest stable LibreOffice and sudo dpkg -i   quite easily
[06:35] <Sysi> !info libreoffice precise
[06:37] <Sysi> using LO ppa is a tad better since you get updates automatically
[06:39] <cfhowlett> Sysi, I can live without the marginal improvements.  I've yet to find a reason to run a PPA but that's just me ...
[06:41] <Sysi> yeah, no point to update unless there's need for it
[06:47] <PepperoniPizza> any xfce experts on can help me with a xfce-volumed issue ?
[06:48] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, #xfce for the "experts" I think
[06:49] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, yea he pointed me to a guide i've already done and didn't work unfortunatly
[06:49] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, :(
[06:50] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, yea this is starting to piss me off, it makes no sense why it won't work
[06:50] <PepperoniPizza> it shows a slider when I press my volume keys, but changes no volume
[06:51] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, yeah, my volume mutes and won't release the mute via the media keys.  I've got to go into the volume properties to reset.  Sometimes seems that the audio isn't quite ready for prime time with xfce ...
[06:52] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, heh I think i've come across a supposed fix for your problem along my travels
[06:52] <PepperoniPizza> who knows if it works though
[06:53] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, I can use xbindkeys to change my volume /mute with a simple script maybe you could just do the same, only thing it lacks is an osd
[06:53] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, as that is the only systemic glitch, I have to say that xfce has generally impressed me.
[06:53] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, nah, I've learned to live with it ...  Thanks though.
[06:53] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, yea I didn't have this problem in ubuntu 12.10 it showed up when I upgraded to 13.04
[06:53] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, suit your self it takes like 2 minutes ;-)
[06:54] <cfhowlett> PepperoniPizza, and I'm in 12.04 for the LTS ...
[06:54] <PepperoniPizza> cfhowlett, yea, I'm not upgrading ever again
[06:54] <PepperoniPizza> 'ever' lol
[08:34] <stefano0o0o> ciao
[11:53] <shurtagul> :c can someone help me?  Whenever i click install (for chrome) in ubuntu software center, nothing happens ;;
[12:42] <recon_lap> xubuntu for the win, seems I'm getting free mobile broadband !!!
[12:45] <poisoned_dragon> wut?
[13:02] <recon_lap> bought a pay as you go mobile dongle, never put any credit on it, but I'm using it now. seems that they don't support linux.
[13:02] <recon_lap> :)
[13:04] <recon_lap> I might be wrong here, maybe there is some start credit, guess I just have to use it an see if it keeps working.
[13:06] <poisoned_dragon> it could just be a hole in the walled garden that they never bothered to patch on prepaid phones.
[13:07] <poisoned_dragon> They just didn't expect you to tether a prepaid phone. :)
[13:07] <recon_lap> poisoned_dragon: guessing something like that, not the first time I've fallen through the billing system of a boardband provider.
[14:28] <xubuntu565> hello, i just installed xubuntu 13.04 and i can not find the menu that i had on 12.04 which had pidgin and mail and i could set    it on available or busy etc.any idea how can i get it?
[14:31] <recon_lap> xubuntu565: you need to add it to the toolbar I think, right click and select properties
[14:32] <recon_lap> xubuntu565: think it's the indicator plugin you are looking for
[14:33] <recon_lap> xubuntu565: right click and select panel -> panel properties , then add the indicator plugin
[14:36] <xubuntu565> It is not that, anyway thank you.
[14:43] <recon_lap> must be the notification area then
[14:51] <elfy> I thought that pidgin was in the messaging indicator
[14:52] <elfy> thought there was problems with that
[17:48] <nantou> is there now a way to proxify all your traffic in xubuntu?
[17:48] <holstein> !proxy
[17:49] <holstein> nantou: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104323/set-up-proxy-server-on-ubuntu
[17:49] <holstein> anything for the main ubuntu documentation should be easily applicable
[17:49] <nantou> holstein, it must be xubuntu specific, there is a ubuntu application for ubuntu, not for xubuntu iirc
[17:50] <holstein> nantou: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. what is the specific application you cannot install and use?
[17:51] <nantou> holstein, a moment please
[17:53] <nantou> holstein, not specific application, will this work? http://askubuntu.com/questions/86638/xubuntu-11-10-proxy-server-settings
[17:56] <holstein> nantou: should.. why not just use one in the browser to test?
[17:57] <nantou> will do thanks
[18:06] <nantou> holstein, <IP_ADDRESS>:8118 now works for me (as particular user). Say I use marble to download some land tiles: it is not a good idea to use that same proxy, because that would be redundant, right?
[18:09] <holstein> marble to download land tiles?
[18:09] <holstein> nantou: ^
[18:35] <nantou> yes...
[18:35] <nantou> as I travel...
[18:37] <Peyam> hi
[18:38] <Peyam> I have some icons in "system setting"
[18:38] <Peyam> That I don't want
[18:38] <Peyam> How do I get rid of them?
[18:39] <TheSheep> Peyam: install alacarte and hide them
[18:39] <Peyam> thanks
[18:39] <Peyam> does it hive the icons in "Systemsetting" or main menu?
[18:39] <holstein> nantou: sure.. i have *no* idea what that means, however..
[18:40] <holstein> nantou: the content you are accessing is just that.. you either need a proxy, or not
[18:40] <nantou> sorry holstein is the free counterpart of google maps. it downloads tiles of terrain as you go north or west...
[18:40] <Peyam> TheSheep: Alacarte opens the main menu. not the System setting Window
[18:40] <holstein> nantou: sure.. i just dont understand how that is relevant to a proxy... you either use the proxy or not.
[18:41] <nantou> privacy holstein
[18:41] <TheSheep> Peyam: the system menu is there too
[18:41] <Peyam> Im not talking about System categori
[18:42] <Peyam> Im talking about the windows which opens when you click on "system settings"
[18:42] <Peyam> sorry
[18:42] <Peyam> Setting Manager
[18:42] <TheSheep> ah
[18:43] <TheSheep> I'm not sure how it gets its icons
[18:43] <TheSheep> I'm sure it looks for the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[18:43] <holstein> nantou: the content you are accessing is irrelvant.. if you want to use the proxy, use it.. the privacy is relating to the proxy server, and configuration.. has nothing to do with the content you are accessing
[18:43] <Peyam> I download Gparted and removed it. but the icon is still there
[18:43] <Peyam> tried that too
[18:43] <nantou> thanks holstein
[18:44] <TheSheep> Peyam: if you removed it, the corresponding .desktop file should be gone too
[18:44] <holstein> nantou: maybe i am misunderstanding.. which is quite possible/likely
[18:44] <Peyam> TheSheep: it supposed to  yes. But it didn't
[18:45] <nantou> not really holstein , after the last news about nsa eavesdropping on anything I do on the internet I have become quite paranoid, thus, the need to proxify all my traffic...
[18:45] <TheSheep> Peyam: maybe it's just cached
[18:45] <holstein> nantou: through what proxy? that proxy can be monitored as well, correct?
[18:45] <TheSheep> Peyam: or are you saying the .desktop file is still there?
[18:45] <Peyam> tried to clean stuff with bleachbit and evern restarted the mechin
[18:46] <nantou> holstein, privoxy
[18:46] <Peyam> Im watching the /usr/share/applications again
[18:46] <holstein> nantou: correct.. and im proposing you are assuming that using a proxy is providing you some privacy
[18:47] <holstein> its more likely just an easy way of providing a layer of annonimity
[18:47] <nantou> holstein, yes, some... it is really misguided to think that my real ip is not traceable then?
[18:47] <Peyam> TheSheep: Now Im removed it but the Text is still there
[18:47] <holstein> nantou: i have no idea what proxy server you are using.. nor am i a security expert.. nor is this related to xubuntu or ubuntu specifically
[18:48] <nantou> holstein, ok, ill take these questions elsewhere
[18:48] <holstein> i would join a security channel.. i am only suggesting that, if privacy is the intention, dont assume you have enabled any privacy
[18:48] <holstein> nantou: anonimity is not necessarily privacy
[18:48] <nantou> good point
[18:49] <Peyam> TheSheep: removed it from The ./local/share/applications!  Not its gone but the Firewall configurations icoon is gone but the text and I can't find it
[18:50] <Peyam> Solved
[18:50] <Peyam> Nice
[18:50] <Peyam> It is totally going to my blog
[20:03] <wilee-nilee> yoh, does the xubuntu live cd have the disks smart tool on board?
[20:04] <bekks> smartctl is installed on the livecd, iirc.
[20:04] <Sysi> if not, you can install them while on live system if you have internet connection
[20:05] <wilee-nilee> thanks


[01:34] <infinity> wxl: Not yet.
[15:54] <yofel> contains upstream fixes for a crash in dolphin ^
[15:55] <flocculant> if anyone who can happens to be about - can the dailies be turned on please :)


[02:51] <teward> is there a way to stop /etc/resolv.conf from getting DHCP dns nameservers added to it?  I'm using /etc/network/interfaces to set a static IP and it's still adding the DHCP-obtained DNS nameserver entries to resolv.conf
[02:59] <TJ-> teward: see https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution
[03:05] <teward> TJ-, that doesn't answer my question
[03:05] <teward> nor does it assist in this case
[03:05] <teward> TJ-, i'm well aware that the file can get overwritten
[03:05] <teward> the goal is to STOP it from adding the unnecessary nameserver entry to the gateway IP, because it needs to only be able to query <IP_ADDRESS> (there's a bind9 forwarder going out to <IP_ADDRESS> for this)
[03:05] <TJ-> teward: What is setting the nameserver from DHCP?
[03:06] <teward> TJ-, apparently, based on your article, DHCP client hooks, but does that make sense when in /etc/network/interfaces is explicitly defined as static and not DHCP?
[03:07] <TJ-> teward: No, it doesn't. Is there another interface defined as 'dhcp' in 'interfaces' ?
[03:07] <teward> nope
[03:08] <teward> only entries are lo and eth0
[03:08] <teward> and the only dns-nameservers line in there is <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:08] <TJ-> teward: So what interface is DHCP running on?
[03:09] <TJ-> teward: Is the server running Network Manager as well as using 'interfaces' ?
[03:09] <teward> does default 12.04.4 server have network manager with it?
[03:09] <teward> oh hello............. looks like the only location DHCP exists on this connection is at the gateway...
[03:10] <teward> ... I forgot to mention this is a VM inside of VMware, didn't I...?
[03:10] <teward> the net interface on it does DHCP, but the VM is set for static
[03:11] <teward> unless that's the cause, then i don't know why it's still adding the nameserver entry for the gateway (<IP_ADDRESS>, which is the gateway line for the DHCP server on that net interface)
[03:11]  * teward shrugs
[03:11] <teward> lemme test something on that...
[03:11] <TJ-> teward: So lets' get this clear. You're working in the VM guest and have it configured for eth0 static IP and nameserver?
[03:11] <teward> correct
[03:11] <TJ-> teward: It sounds to me as if the VMware host doing DHCP is passing in the resolver to the guest
[03:12] <teward> it might be although i just disabled the DHCP on that net
[03:12] <teward> ... the heck just shut down the server
[03:12] <teward> o.o
[03:12] <teward> one moment...
[03:12] <TJ-> teward: But I don't see how that could happen if you've got a static nameserver defined in 'interfaces'
[03:12] <teward> i wonder if it never took the config
[03:12] <TJ-> teward: Is the "/etc/resolv.conf" showing "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" or something else?
[03:13] <teward> TJ-, nameserver 192.168.yada.yada  and nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:13] <teward> one sec while i check after a restart
[03:13] <teward> okay, apparently it needed a reboot
[03:13]  * teward shrugs
[03:14] <teward> TJ-, it's no longer showing that after a reboot...
[03:14] <teward> which is odd...
[03:14]  * teward shrugs
[03:14] <teward> VM weirdness, I guess
[03:14] <TJ-> teward: Did you do an ifdown && ifup on eth0 after editing 'interfaces' ?
[03:14] <teward> mhm
[03:14] <teward> i wonder...
[03:14]  * teward tweaks the net interface again
[03:16] <teward> i dunno... *shrugs*
[03:16] <teward> TJ-, i did do sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 after editing `/etc/network/interfaces` and it didn't take
[03:16] <teward> now it seems it's taking the conf changes and keeping it, whether DHCP is on the net or not.
[03:17] <TJ-> teward: DHCP won't enter into it, as long as ifup isn't calling dhclient
[03:17] <teward> TJ-, if i'm not mistaken, it should refresh the configuration information when it brings up eth0, no?  (during ifdown && ifup eth0)
[03:17] <TJ-> teward: Yes, 'interfaces' is read by ifup
[03:18] <teward> 'cause it's in there as 'static'.
[03:19] <teward> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7801526/ is the /etc/network/interfaces file
[03:20] <TJ-> teward: looks correct
[03:21] <teward> based on that it SHOULDN'T be doing any DHCP hooks, even with ifdown && ifup eth0
[03:21] <teward> (it's functioning CORRECTLY now that the guest has been rebooted)
[04:53] <Abhijit> hi. please help with ubuntu + preseed issue detailed here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2234480&p=13073762#post13073762
[05:45] <Abhijit> hi. please help with ubuntu + preseed issue detailed here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2234480&p=13073762#post13073762
[07:02] <pds> managed to write a preseed file, wondering how i can pxe boot ubuntu server and point to it
[07:16] <pds|2> managed to wwrite a preseed file, wondering how i can pxe boot ubuntu server and point to it
[07:25] <bekks> Provide the kernel option preseed/url= ... when booting, e.g.
[07:26] <Abhijit> pds|2, i am facing issues with preseed ubuntu. details here askubuntu.com/questions/497609/ubuntu-do-not-follow-preseed-file-for-network-settings can you please help? pds
[07:26] <Abhijit> bekks, ^
[07:27] <pds> Abhijit: alot of people are having issues with automating the process of installation you are not alone
[07:28] <Abhijit> pds, ok. i just thought you might know.
[07:32] <pds> bekks: how do i netboot a ubuntu-server and use a preseed file to automate it
[07:32] <bekks> pds: Provide the kernel option preseed/url= ... when booting, e.g.
[07:33] <pds> bekks: i guess i can use a minimal iso but how do i provide the kernel option
[07:34] <bekks> pds: add it to the kernel line in your pxe configuration.
[07:36] <pds> bekks: realy now following anymore
[07:39] <Abhijit> pds, at grub press tab or e it will show you kernel options at the end write preseed/url etc end press enter
[07:40] <pds> Abhijit: thnx
[07:40] <pds> Abhijit: will try
[07:41] <pds> need to do something else
[07:41] <Abhijit> ok
[07:41] <pds> for now
[07:41] <pds> solving ssl problems :)
[07:41] <Abhijit> np.
[07:41] <maxb> Abhijit: You can't preseed network settings in a preseed/url= preseed
[07:42] <maxb> Because the network needs to be configured before the installer can access the URL!
[07:42] <Abhijit> maxb, that was not what i was telling him. that was what bekks was telling him. i was telling him about adding kernel parameters to os while booting
[07:43] <maxb> Oh, you reposted the question in a way which made it look like you were asking it yourself
[07:43] <Abhijit> :-(
[07:45] <maxb> Anyway, if interface selection isn't working for you, you probably want to preseed which interface to use
[07:46] <Abhijit> maxb, i even tried to use kickstart instead of preseed, and there manually made it select eth1 and still it asks me to manually select
[07:46] <pds> tried kickstarting to failed at mirrors
[07:47] <Abhijit> maxb, i asdo did this in d-i netcfg/choose_interface select eth1 preseed
[07:47] <Abhijit> also*
[07:47] <Abhijit> in preseed*
[07:47] <maxb> Abhijit: Stop and consider... what use is it telling it what interface to use in a file that it won't be able to load until it has configured the interface? :-)
[07:48] <maxb> As I said, You can't preseed network settings in a preseed/url= preseed
[07:48] <Abhijit> maxb, :-o
[07:48] <Abhijit> maxb, oh. you are confusing again!!
[07:49] <Abhijit> maxb, pds  and I, both are talknig about two different preseed issues!
[07:49] <Abhijit> maxb, that preseed/url at grub issue belongs to pds
[07:49] <Abhijit> maxb, my issue with details here http://askubuntu.com/questions/497609/ubuntu-do-not-follow-preseed-file-for-network-settings
[07:49] <Abhijit> kindly help if you can.
[07:49] <maxb> Yes, I'm answering you, not pds
[07:50] <Abhijit> maxb, did you read the askubuntu question?
[07:50] <maxb> yes
[07:50] <Abhijit> :-o
[07:50] <Abhijit> maxb, what can i do to solve this?
[07:51] <maxb> There are a variety of ways to set preseed options earlier than preseed/url does, but you probably want to pass them on the kernel command line
[07:51] <Abhijit> maxb, since cobbler has successfully booted ubuntu on that interface, that mean that interface is configured for dhcp server right? that mean the dhcp server has already assigned ip to that interface. so ubuntu should just accept that ip and move on?
[07:52] <Abhijit> ok. let me try setting network option at kernel
[07:53] <maxb> The DHCP server assigned an IP to the preboot PXE client software. Ubuntu doesn't know about that, so has to talk to the DHCP server again
[07:53] <maxb> And before it tries to talk to the DHCP server, it wants to know which interface on which to do so
[07:53] <Abhijit> maxb, what shall i write at the kernel parameter? --network?
[07:55] <lordievader> Seems a bit impossible to reconfigure the network connection when the os resides on a network file system.
[07:55] <maxb> Um, no, kernel parameters never use a -- prefix
[07:56] <Abhijit> okey. will check myself.
[07:56] <maxb> What you actually probably want to do is to use pxelinux's 'IPAPPEND 2' configuration option
[07:56] <Abhijit> lordievader, this whole setup works with centos. why not with ubuntu?
[07:56] <Abhijit> maxb, ok. let me dig more into that.
[07:57] <maxb> That will cause pxelinux to pass a hint on the kernel command line which the installer can use to know which interface it was just pxe-booted via
[07:58] <pds> k so download mini iso
[07:58] <Abhijit> maxb, ok
[08:06] <pds> downloaded ubuntu server iso booted it
[08:06] <pds> asking for languages
[08:08] <pds> darn it
[08:11] <pds> Abhijit: ok mounted the ubuntu server to a vm now what?
[08:11] <Abhijit> pds, at the grub prompt when you boot the os
[08:12] <pds> directly ask for installing
[08:12] <Abhijit> there after selecting linux entry with arrow key, then press e and then you type the kernel parameters
[08:12] <Abhijit> directly asking for installation of what?
[08:13] <pds> so i created a new virtual machine - attached the default ubuntu server iso file to it
[08:13] <pds> booted it
[08:13] <Abhijit> press shift at boot time then it will show you the grub entries
[08:17] <FrEaKmAn_> hi all.. I'm using ubuntu 12.04 as a server and sometimes it just restarts
[08:17] <FrEaKmAn_> are there any ways for me to identify what it restarted?
[08:17] <FrEaKmAn_> I'm reading last reboot
[08:17] <FrEaKmAn_> but is there a way to output the reason for restart?
[08:17] <pds> Abhijit: wait a second do you actually have to install ubuntu to see the grub?
[08:18] <lordievader> FrEaKmAn_: Read the logs.
[08:18] <Abhijit> pds, no. thats just press shift.
[08:19] <pds> it's a vm :)
[08:19] <Abhijit> still.
[08:19] <Abhijit> inside vm press shift!
[08:20] <pds> shift is already complaining i'm smahing it
[08:20] <Abhijit> :-p
[08:21] <FrEaKmAn_> lordievader: can you please be more specific? or on which log should I focus
[08:22] <Abhijit> pds, then try pressing esc. because grub is not installed, maybe it wont show.
[08:22] <Abhijit> pds, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2179243
[08:24] <Abhijit> pds, press F6 to enter boot options in ubuntu live cd. are you using live  cd?
[08:26] <pds> downloaded ubuntu server from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server and used that in my vm so i'm using a live cd
[08:26] <pds> f6 doesn't seems to register
[08:26] <pds> brb
[08:27] <Abhijit> pds, at the screen where it asks to select language, after that press f6
[08:28] <pds> Abhijit: one step closer
[08:29] <Abhijit> :-)
[08:29] <pds> Abhijit: now what - pretty new to this stuff :)
[08:29] <Abhijit> press f6!
[08:29] <pds> Abhijit: f6 has been pressed what option do i choose i guess expert mode ?
[08:30] <pds> nvm :)
[08:30] <Abhijit> pds,  it will ask you with prompt called "boot" and _____________________________ in front of it. type your kernel parameters there!
[08:31] <pds> Boot Options 'preseed/ubuntu-server.deed vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz quiet--
[08:32] <pds> so i guess i can pressed/ubuntu-server.seed
[08:32] <pds> by preseed/url=<link here>
[08:32] <pds> well url
[08:32] <Abhijit> pds, now that part you have to consult with kernel documentation, regarding which option to give.
[08:34] <pds> Abhijit: thnx for the help, asking to much questions just to be 100% sure :)
[08:34] <Abhijit> np.
[08:34] <pds> will send you a little gift soon
[08:34]  * Abhijit losts in imagination of latest mac book air!
[08:35] <pds> nope :p
[08:35]  * Abhijit comes down to ground!
[08:35] <pds> just some reading material regarding preseed stuff
[08:35] <lordievader> FrEaKmAn_: Syslog, kern, messages, etc. If logs show corruption you probably have hardware errors.
[08:35] <Abhijit> :-)
[08:36] <pds> Abhijit: check your query
[08:36] <Abhijit> pds, thanks.
[08:36] <pds> yw
[08:40] <pds> found it: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-using.html
[08:43] <pds> will try it now
[08:56] <punkgeek> can i ecrypting ubuntu like android?
[08:58] <punkgeek> no body know?
[09:00] <ashd> punkgeek: exactly what do you mean?
[09:01] <ashd> punkgeek: you can encryp file systems - whole disks - home folders
[09:01] <punkgeek> see, when we settings password on android, we cant delete password without factory reset
[09:01] <punkgeek> can i do this work on ubuntu?
[09:02] <ashd> punkgeek: you can encrypt connections between machines - and between web servers and people
[09:02] <punkgeek> (when we forgoting password, we cant delete password without factory reset)
[09:02] <ashd> punkgeek: you can boot into linux in single user mode - so long as the boot loader is not password protected - and the disks are not encriptyed - and reset your password
[09:03] <pds> Abhijit: testing now with Bootoptions preseed=url=<some url here> vga=788 initrd=/install/initrd.gz
[09:03] <ashd> punkgeek: or get a system admin to re-set your password
[09:03] <pds> pds: and fail
[09:14] <maxb> pds: Not preseed=url=<some url here>, just url=<some url here>
[09:15] <pds> maxb: just figured that out
[09:25] <pds> maxb: seems to start but than fail on language
[09:25] <pds> will probably have to provide it manually ?
[09:25] <maxb> Fail? Or just prompt?
[09:25] <pds> prompt
[09:26] <maxb> OK, so that's just the first instance of a value you need to preseed if you want the installation to run non-interactively
[09:26] <pds> maxb: i know give me a sec
[09:27] <maxb> Ah, but if you're using url-type preseeding, some questions like language get asked before the network setup by default. You'll want auto=true on the kernel command line to make the installer delay processing language and keyboard settings until after network setup
[09:27] <pds> d-i debain-installer/language string en d-i debain-installer/country string BE d-i debain-installer/local string be_nl.UTF-8
[09:28] <pds> let me try once again
[09:28] <pds> getting closer and closer
[09:29] <pds> here is my seed file / http://dpaste.com/3DEE4Z3 there a lot of commented out becuase it's the first i'm doing this and i'm just testing/ messing around with it :)
[09:32] <caribou> jamespage: Any chance to have some eyes on this old MP : https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/charms/precise/nova-cloud-controller/lp1313602-multiline-known-hosts
[09:32] <caribou> jamespage: (the nova-cloud-controller SSH migration one)
[09:33] <pds> maxb: still prompting for language
[09:33] <maxb> pds: It's 'debian' not 'debain'
[09:34] <pds> bonged up? in seed file
[09:34] <pds> god damn you dyslexia
[09:34] <Abhijit> debain = debrain = without brain!
[09:35] <pds> Abhijit: sigh
[09:35] <Abhijit> ;-)
[09:35] <jamespage> caribou, still seeing two test failures
[09:35] <jamespage> due to uid->unit rename
[09:36] <caribou> jamespage: ok, let me look at this, I thought I had fixed them
[09:36] <caribou> jamespage: sorry about that
[09:37] <jamespage> caribou, np
[09:39] <Chris_hubu> hi guys
[09:42] <pds> Abhijit: maxb: getting closer
[09:42] <caribou> jamespage: fixed & pushed to bzr
[09:42] <Abhijit> pds, deliver!
[09:45] <pds> Abhijit: i'm am it booting installing automatically right now will probably prompt for hostname soon
[09:45] <Abhijit> yay!
[09:45] <pds> Abhijit: boom hostname
[09:46] <pds> and asking for language hmm
[09:47] <pds> d-i debain-installer/language string en
[09:47] <pds> d-i debain-installer/country string BE
[09:47] <pds> d-i debain-installer/local string be_nl.UTF-8
[09:47] <pds> hmmm
[09:49] <pds> Abhijit: ding lv up ubuntu administration lv 5
[09:49] <Abhijit> pds, http://what-if.xkcd.com/13/
[09:50] <pds> will reed when i'm at home
[09:57] <Abhijit> pds, good luck. bye.
[09:59] <makara> hi. Is there a better way to route TCP connections than using xinetd?
[10:04] <pds> maxb: hmmm seems you can't define a root pass
[10:05] <maxb> Yes you can
[10:05] <maxb> Oh, wait, maybe that's only in Debian, perhaps Ubuntu doesn't run that part of the installer
[10:06] <pds> maxb: yeah tried with d-i passwd/root-password
[10:06] <pds> but that didn't seem to work
[10:09] <maxb> Do you really want/need a root passwod?
[10:10] <pds> maxb: would be usefull
[10:11] <pds> maxb: but then again if you create your user in the installer
[10:11] <caribou> jamespage: thanks very much !
[10:11] <pds> you can sudo to root
[10:11] <maxb> Quite, that's what the Ubuntu install has been set up to encourage
[10:12] <pds> is there a way to pass a post install script that run when the ubuntu server has been preseeded
[10:21] <pds> go go preseed all the way :)
[10:23] <maxb> d-i preseed/late_command string \ preseed_fetch late_command.sh /target/root/late_command.sh; \ in-target /bin/bash /root/late_command.sh
[10:23] <maxb> (add the appropriate line breaks)
[10:24] <maxb> preseed_fetch is a helper that gets relative to the URL of the fetched preseed file
[10:52] <jamespage> gnuoy, feedback on that logutils MP for you - thanks!
[11:18] <pds> maxb: go this
[11:18] <pds> #d-i preseed/late_command string \
[11:18] <pds> #    in-target wget <somefancyurl here/preseed/posinst.sh> -O /root/postinst.sh
[11:18] <pds> #    in-target /bin/bash /root/postinst.sh
[11:22] <pds> is there a way to add an extra repo to preseed like epel
[11:23] <maxb> Uh, Isn't EPEL a Red Hat thing?
[11:24] <maxb> In any case, additional repositories are mentioned in https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[11:42] <gnuoy> jamespage, thanks for the review. I've updated the mp with your recommendations
[11:44] <MrPPS> Hey guys, having an issue with what looks like a "circular dependancy" with dpkg - I've pasted output here:  | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[11:44] <MrPPS> oops, sorry
[11:44] <MrPPS> Pasted output here: http://sprunge.us/cUcM
[11:44] <MrPPS> I'm still googling, but if anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it
[11:47] <histo> MrPPS: do you have any ppa's enabled?
[11:47] <MrPPS> hey histo, no PPA's at all as far as I remember
[11:57] <MrPPS> histo: fixed most of it by changing my python symlink back to 2.7
[11:57] <MrPPS> except lsb-release is now broken :(
[12:02] <maxb> Changing your python symlink? That sounds like an unwise idea
[12:03] <maxb> Yeah, you *really* shouldn't mess with the definition of /usr/bin/python, or you tend to break the entire distro-provided Python stack
[13:24] <rbasak> smoser: (for a friend) is there an easy way to make cloud-init be very verbose to the console? I can't find a way that is readily documented.
[13:25] <rbasak> But I suspect there is
[13:26] <pds> preseeding rules
[13:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> hi
[13:28] <smoser> rbasak, /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/05_logging.cfg
[13:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am trying to configure network on this new ubuntu server installation
[13:28] <smoser> change handler_consoleHandler to be
[13:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it seems to fail and I am unsure as to why
[13:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is there a way to order it to configue network automatically? Like in setup?
[13:30] <smoser> rbasak, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7803470/
[13:31] <rbasak> Thanks, I'll try that.
[13:35] <pds> preseed works however my time settings aren't correct
[13:35] <pds> and clue?
[14:58] <K4k> Patrickdk: Hey, you around this morning?
[14:58] <patdk-wk> defently not
[14:58] <K4k> :)
[14:59] <K4k> I was reading up on corosync a little since we spoke yesterday and I'm running in to a problem setting it up. When I run "crm_mon --one-shot -V" I get a cluster connection failed error... not sure where I went wrong
[14:59] <K4k> I was following along with this http://clusterlabs.org/wiki/Debian_Lenny_HowTo
[15:01] <K4k> OH! I think I missed a step :P
[15:07] <K4k> yup, didn't start pacemaker >_<
[15:10] <patdk-wk> what ubuntu version?
[15:10] <patdk-wk> lots of things changed in 14.04
[15:10] <patdk-wk> it only took me a few weeks to fix my setup
[15:10] <patdk-wk> mainly cause I gave up on it for awhile :)
[15:27] <frank31> need help with this please, pastebin here: http://payloge.com/?ref=1612
[15:38] <K4k> patdk-wk: I was missing the service {} line in the corosync.conf to start pacemaker. Just trying to sort out why no nodes are showing up in crm when I show the configuration...
[15:38] <patdk-wk> not sure, I upgraded mine, that caused a whole lot of issues
[15:39] <patdk-wk> I haven't done a new install yet, on that version
[15:43] <lordievader> pds: Are you times off 2 hours?
[15:58] <pds> lordievader: yes
[15:58] <raub> if I have two interfaces each of them in a different network using distinct dhcp/dns servers, how do I specify the default gateway?
[15:59] <raub> And nameserver order?
[16:05] <lordievader> pds: That would be utc ;)
[16:05] <pds> lordievader: indeed
[16:05] <lordievader> pds: Your timezone is wrong.
[16:05] <pds> weet ik
[16:06] <pds> tis fixen e :)
[16:09] <roaksoax> 4/win 4
[16:11] <lordievader> pds: What's in /etc/timezone?
[16:12] <pds> mja had Belgium/Brussels
[16:12] <pds> en moet waarschijnlijk Europe/Brussels zijn :)
[16:12] <lordievader> pds: Jups
[16:12] <pds> tada ^^
[16:12] <lordievader> pds: And by the by, this is an English channel.
[16:13] <pds> o lol thought i was in ubuntu-nl my bad
[18:51] <zartoosh> Hi I have installed ubuntu 14.04 on my system. I do not see the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules created. Previously running ubuntu 12.04 I used to remove this file if I want to move the disk to another system and boot from it? thx
[18:52] <e^0> is anyone having the official ubuntu server book 3rd edition ?
[19:30] <K4k> patdk-wk: Sorry to keep bothering you. Do you have experience with the corosync/pacemaker failback options? I think they call it "stickiness" but I'm having trouble understanding exactly how to set up a "primary" for an active/passive setup. Was hoping you might have done that before and could lend a hand.
[19:31] <patdk-wk> setting up a primary is the default
[19:31] <patdk-wk> sticky means, there is no primary, it stays where it is
[19:31] <K4k> OK... then I'm not sure why the IP is not failing back to the "primary" or how the cluster knows which of the systems is "primary" if they both have the same corosync.conf file.
[19:32] <patdk-wk> where is your config?
[19:32] <K4k> /etc/corosync/corosync.conf. You want me to paste it somewhere for you?
[19:32] <patdk-wk> that IS NOT your config
[19:32] <K4k> Then what config do you mean?
[19:33] <patdk-wk> your resources
[19:33] <patdk-wk> where are your primitive and location commands?
[19:33] <K4k> Oh, I just set them in the crm console for now. I wasn't even aware they could be in a file...
[19:33] <patdk-wk> who said config file?
[19:33] <K4k> oh
[19:34] <K4k> Then I've set the config options on (live)
[19:34] <K4k> if that's what you mean
[19:34] <patdk-wk> yes, post it somewhere
[19:34] <K4k> k
[19:37] <K4k> patdk-wk: https://gist.github.com/k4k/952115aabee607c96d94
[19:42] <patdk-wk> add:
[19:42] <patdk-wk> group group-name ClusterIP
[19:43] <patdk-wk> location perfer-node01 group-name 50: node01-domain.org
[19:43] <patdk-wk> you likely want to group
[19:43] <patdk-wk> I guess if you only car eabout that one ip, you can go without it
[19:43] <patdk-wk> but atleast I move multible things together
[19:44] <patdk-wk> cause htey work together
[19:45] <patdk-wk> actually, hmm
[19:45] <patdk-wk> location perfer-node01 group-name 150: node01-domain.org
[19:45] <patdk-wk> might work better
[19:46] <K4k> prefer-node01 or perfer-node01?
[19:46] <patdk-wk> whatever you want to call it
[19:46] <K4k> oh, ok, it's a name. Got it
[19:47] <K4k> brilliant
[19:47] <K4k> so... what did that location setting do exactly?
[19:49] <patdk-wk> location name Resource score node
[19:49] <patdk-wk> highest score wins
[19:49] <patdk-wk> I am not sure what the default score is, likely 50 or 100
[19:49] <patdk-wk> so 150 would mean node1 would ALWAYS be perferred
[19:49] <patdk-wk> unless you added scores of that resource to other nodes too
[19:49] <K4k> ok
[19:49] <K4k> right now it's only a two node setup
[19:49] <patdk-wk> or, you use -inf: score :)
[19:50] <patdk-wk> that means ONLY this node, EVER
[19:50] <patdk-wk> location l_fence_director01 p_fence_director01 -inf: director01
[19:50] <patdk-wk> location l_fence_director02 p_fence_director02 -inf: director02
[19:50] <K4k> I saw that inf: setting in a few examples online but could not get them to work because they were using HAProxy and I'm not and it wasn't clear what they were doing with their settings
[19:51] <patdk-wk> it means runs p_fence_director01 on director01 and NEVER on anything else
[19:51] <K4k> ok
[19:51] <patdk-wk> so, not what you want
[19:52] <K4k> Yeah. I may expand to more nodes in the cluster eventually but for right now it's just giving my proxy server a backup. Thankfully having services always on is not super important here but for some things having a place to failover is nice
[19:53] <K4k> Thanks for the explaination! I obviously have more documentation to read :)
[20:03] <smoser> hallyn, lxc-execute -n my-container /bin/bash
[20:03] <smoser> should that work ?
[20:03] <smoser> a.) container is overlayfs clone
[20:03] <smoser> b.) container is not running
[20:05] <smoser> i think i've asked this before. i want something that sets everything up for me and then runs he command i provided
[20:13] <hallyn> smoser: by "sets everything up" you mean including set up networking using dhcp?  then no.
[20:13] <hallyn> lxc-execute uses the lxc-init, not upstart.
[20:14] <hallyn> so what you want is 'lxc-start -n mycontainer; lxc-attach -n mycontainer /bin/bash'
[20:16] <smoser> no. thats not really what i wanted.
[20:16] <smoser> i didn't want to start it
[20:16] <smoser> i just wanted it to set up mounts
[20:17] <smoser> i think lxc-start -n t1 -- /bin/bash
[20:17] <smoser> is sort  of what i want
[20:17] <smoser> well, except i wanted to do this:
[20:17] <smoser>  sudo lxc-start --quiet -n t1 -- /bin/bash -s < foo
[20:17] <smoser> but that doenst work.
[21:10] <smoser> hallyn, essentially this gets me what i wanted
[21:10] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7805632/
[22:12] <K4k> patdk-wk: seems like application clustering is a whole other beast... IP clustering is working well now but trying to get apache to work is just unknown exec error after error
[22:16] <cloudman> Hi, problems with an update this evening, any ideas whats going on?  http://pastebin.com/Zuxd641s
[22:17] <dasjoe> cloudman: "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" looks like a pretty good hint at what's going on
[22:18] <cloudman> yeah but why should that happen though suddenly
[22:19] <dasjoe> cloudman: is your /boot/ on a separate partition? Is that full?
[22:19] <dasjoe> Clean up some old kernels, then :)
[22:20] <cloudman> will check but its 500mb but I regulary run apt-get autoremove and clean etc
[22:24] <cloudman> currently using Linux 3.2.0-58-generic but I can see 59 60 61  63 64 65 & 67 there?
[22:46] <zartoosh> Hi I have installed ubuntu 14.04 on my system. I do not see the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules created. Previously running ubuntu 12.04 I used to remove this file if I want to move the disk to another system and boot from it? thx
[22:48] <sarnold> zartoosh: then you may not need to worry about it :) check for other *persistent* files in that directory
[22:50] <cloudman> dasjoe: can I purge multiple kernels?
[22:51] <sarnold> cloudman: yes, just be sure to keep at least two -- the one you're running now and the newest. if that's the same kernel, keep an older one, too, to make sure you always have two :)
[22:51] <cloudman> ty
[23:14] <cloudman> I dont get it, the system upgrades to kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.79 but remains at 65 yet the 67 is there??
[23:16] <sarnold> cloudman: have you rebooted since? :)
[23:17] <cloudman> ah
[23:17] <cloudman> I thought boot was needed when recompiling stuff
[23:18] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I add a subinterface to my server?
[23:21] <Patrickdk> what is a subinterface?
[23:21] <Jeeves_Moss> to add more than one IP per NIC
[23:21] <Patrickdk> no such thing exists
[23:22] <Jeeves_Moss> lies!!  it was working before I reinstalled the server!  LOL
[23:22] <Patrickdk> not a *subinterface*
[23:22] <Patrickdk> you can setup an additional ip
[23:22] <Patrickdk> just add it in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:22] <sarnold> Jeeves_Moss: I think the 'best' way is to add 'up' or 'post-up' commands 'ip link add .. ..' commands to the /etc/network/interfaces file
[23:22] <Patrickdk> nic:x
[23:22] <Patrickdk> or you could use ip addr directly :)
[23:23] <Jeeves_Moss> it should be something like init eth0:2, etc
[23:23] <Patrickdk> depends if you want to be able to remove it indivitially or not
[23:23] <Patrickdk> yep
[23:23] <Patrickdk> you can either do
[23:23] <Patrickdk> auto bond0.4
[23:23] <Patrickdk> iface bond0.4 inet static
[23:23] <Patrickdk> or you can do
[23:23] <Patrickdk> up route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> bond0.4
[23:24] <Patrickdk> oh opps
[23:24] <Patrickdk> auto eth0:4
[23:24] <Jeeves_Moss> thanks
[23:24] <Patrickdk> iface eth0:4 inet static
[23:25] <Patrickdk> odd, it cut my label
[23:25] <Patrickdk> up route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 label eth0:4
[23:25] <Patrickdk> the label is what makes it what you are expecting
[23:25] <Patrickdk> without the label, it's invisible, but works fine
[23:26] <Patrickdk> just the old depressiated ifconfig doesn't see it
[23:28] <Jeeves_Moss> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface
[23:29] <hallyn> smoser: you could also do that using the python api.  but in general that looks useful.  perhaps worth shipping with lxc
[23:29] <smoser> yeah, i figured i could do it with the python api, but subprocess and tty allocation is often a pita
[23:30] <smoser> maybe not.  but it always seems more complicated in python to do the equalent
[23:39] <mgriffin> if someone asks how to reset mysql root password in this channel, is there an faq response or maybe send to #mysql?
[23:39] <mgriffin> i have an faq response in #mysql for ubuntu root password reset
[23:39] <mgriffin> mysql -u$(awk '$1 ~ /user/ {print $3}' /etc/mysql/debian.cnf | head -1) -p$(awk '$1 ~ /password/ {print $3}' /etc/mysql/debian.cnf | head -1) -e"set password for root@localhost = password('foobar');"
[23:39] <mgriffin> just sharing
[23:40] <mgriffin> tldr, cat /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and you now have a valid account
[23:40] <Patrickdk> there is none
[23:40] <Patrickdk> but you can attempt to teach it to ubottu
[23:41] <mgriffin> !help
[23:43] <mgriffin> !mysqlroot is cat /etc/mysql/debian.cnf for a usable account
[23:51] <hallyn> smoser: if you were feeling bored, as i'm sure you must be, you could submit htat script to lxc-devel :)  i really like it as far more useful than lxc-execute.
[23:52] <smoser> for the moment: https://gist.github.com/smoser/49444542158f2e5f88f1


[09:09] <arjunaraoc> Hi cjwatson, want to know  Telugu status in Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 3 for boot time support.
[09:11] <brendand> hi
[09:11] <brendand> does anyone have any tips on getting good logs out of d-i
[09:12] <brendand> i have another dhcp config issue in natty this time
[09:12] <brendand> with the server image
[11:02] <cjwatson> stieg: I don't know offhand whether there's a bug
[11:03] <cjwatson> stieg: 'ubiquity ubiquity/reboot true' is syntactically incorrect.  Try 'ubiquity ubiquity/reboot boolean true'?
[11:03] <cjwatson> brendand: back up to main menu, select "save debug logs", extract syslog and partman from there
[11:03] <cjwatson> (well, just syslog in this case, but in general ...)
[12:06] <ogra> hmm, so oem-config doesnt work at all on serial console (unless i remove all tty upstart jobs) ... funnily the debconf post oem-config run *does* happen on serial
[12:20] <ogra> oh, fun and oem-config doesnt finish at all, seems it directly skips to package removal
[12:20] <ogra> (no user is created, admin group doesnt exists etc etc)
[12:21] <ogra> hmm, but the new hostname is set
[12:27] <ogra> and syslog doesnt show anything after netcfg
[12:27] <ogra> weird
[13:06] <cjwatson> stieg: actually, compatibility with the old console-setup/* names caused https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/698263 - so I think I would rather not attempt to reintroduce compatibility there, sorry
[13:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 698263 in console-setup "keyboard-configuration set's console layout to us,af on update" [High,Fix released]
[13:23] <ev> cjwatson: I've attached a new wubi to the bug report.  I'd upload it to rookery, but I don't have access to my gpg keyring until I get home on Thursday night.
[13:24] <ev> but will do so then
[13:26] <cjwatson> ok, will probably need to wait for that before we can have working CDs then
[13:26] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:26] <cjwatson> ev: ah, you built with an old GRUB by the looks of things though
[13:27] <cjwatson> at least according to the description of that attachment
[13:27] <ev> yikes, sorry
[13:27] <ev> fixing now
[13:28] <cjwatson> I suspect I'll still want to switch over to GRUB 2's ntldr-img before natty
[13:28] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced that the bug I thought I saw in GRLDR was an artefact
[13:37] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r599 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Guard against blkid returning non-zero (LP: #729394).
[13:42] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r600 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 93ubuntu10
[17:35] <stieg> cjwatson: No worries about that.  The entry I mentioned earlier is getting me around the issue so its all good.  However I am still hitting the reboot prompt.  I have "ubiquity ubiquity/reboot boolean true" in the preseed file but thats still a no go.
[17:36] <cjwatson> add debug-ubiquity as a boot parameter (on the kernel command line), show me /var/log/syslog and /var/log/installer/debug
[17:38] <stieg> cjwatson: ack.  Give me a few minutes to let it do its thing
[17:48] <arjunaraoc> Hi cjwatson,  want to know when Telugu will be supported at boot time. Is it present in alpha 3, as indicated in earlier email dialogue
[17:50] <stieg> cjwatson: where would you like me to post the log files?  Paste bin somewhere?
[17:53] <stieg> debconf (developer): <-- FGET ubiquity/reboot seen
[17:53] <stieg> debconf (developer): --> 0 true
[17:53] <stieg> debconf (developer): <-- FGET ubiquity/poweroff seen
[17:53] <stieg> debconf (developer): --> 0 false
[17:54] <cjwatson> pastebin - I don't want to debug partial logs
[17:54] <cjwatson> arjunaraoc: argh, sorry, it fell off my stack
[17:54] <stieg> np
[17:55] <arjunaraoc> hi cjwatson, np can you let me know when is it likely to happen
[17:55] <stieg> cjwatson: Here is the debug log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/580211/
[17:55] <stieg> cjwatson: And here is the syslog http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/580212/
[17:56] <cjwatson> stieg: and what's the exact text of the message you're seeing?
[17:57] <stieg> Installation is complete.  You need to restart the computer in order to use the new installation
[17:58] <cjwatson> stieg: ah, I think this will fix it:
[17:58] <cjwatson> ubiquity ubiquity/shutdown boolean true
[17:59] <stieg> shutdown?  eh?  Whats the difference between that and the poweroff?  Won't that cause the computer to simple turnoff instead of reboot?
[17:59] <cjwatson> actually, perhaps best 'boolean false' there
[18:00] <cjwatson> and in fact I have the whole thing wrong, one moment
[18:00] <stieg> are you looking in the prepare method
[18:00] <cjwatson> ubiquity ubiquity/poweroff boolean false
[18:00] <cjwatson> ^- use that
[18:00] <stieg> sure.  I can easily throw that in
[18:00] <cjwatson> the value actually doesn't matter here, it just needs to be marked as seen so that ubiquity knows it's preseeded
[18:01] <stieg> hahahaha... oh man
[18:01] <stieg> :P
[18:01] <stieg> thats kinda funny :)
[18:01] <stieg> I'll give it a run
[18:01] <arjunaraoc> Hi cjwatson, kindly update on email, when Telugu boot is supported when you get some time. I am keen to see it as part of 11.04 and would like to help towards the same. Bye
[18:02] <stieg> cjwatson: is that a regression from 10.10?  I never used to specify the poweroff flag
[18:03] <cjwatson> preseeding isn't guaranteed to be stable across releases
[18:03] <cjwatson> ubiquity/poweroff was added since 10.10
[18:04] <cjwatson> I don't know if this is necessarily the best way to implement its preseeding, though - it would be worth filing a bug
[18:05] <stieg> Agreed.  Let me test it first and if it works I will file the bug and give you the URL for it
[18:09] <stieg> cjwatson: That did the trick.  Reboot happened
[18:09] <cjwatson> good
[18:09] <cjwatson> I don't need the URL, just paste in this IRC conversation or something :)
[18:09] <stieg> you got it.
[18:09] <cjwatson> thanks
[20:56] <stieg> cjwatson: Filed bug 735097.  Might I say I really dislike how I have to file bugs using the ubuntu-bug app.  Is there a way to circumvent that?
[20:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 735097 in ubiquity "Ubiquity not auto-restarting with "ubiquity ubiquity/reboot boolean true" in preseed file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735097
[20:59] <cjwatson> stieg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[21:01] <stieg> cjwatson: Thanks.  Of course the answer lies down in the area that I didn't read :P