[00:00] <Red_> does it look like i do?
[00:00] <nit-wit> Red_,  my mistake you are correct alright you all carry on I will step out.:)
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> looks like you got 1 winload
[00:00] <ShootEmUp> thats what starts windows7
[00:00] <Red_> ok...so what does that mean?
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> the first one is windows 7 boot partition
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> what is the maker of your laptop?
[00:01] <ShootEmUp> or whatever it is
[00:01] <Red_> ok. so what are the others?
[00:02] <Red_> HP compaq
[00:02] <ShootEmUp> okay, sda3 is your recovery partitions, and the last one is HP tools
[00:02] <Red_> whats HP tools?
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> crapware HP thinks you need
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> just leave sda1,3,4 alone
[00:03] <ShootEmUp> sda2 is the one you want to shink, so boot into windows at this time
[00:03] <Red_> ok what is it though?
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> HP tools is like the BIOS updater and crap like that
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> stuff most people never use
[00:04] <ShootEmUp> don't delete it, I don't know what will happen
[00:05] <Red_> i dont even know how.
[00:05] <ShootEmUp> we are going to shink your partition via windows, so boot into windows
[00:07] <Red_> ok so the second one is the HP tools and were shrinking that one?
[00:07] <ShootEmUp> no, we will be shinking your windows 7 patition, sda2
[00:08] <ShootEmUp> but you have to do it from windows to be safe
[00:08] <Red_> ok. brb. ill keep Black on though.
[00:08] <ShootEmUp> you don;t have to, but it's slightly safer that way
[00:10] <black> K win7 is booting.
[00:11] <ShootEmUp> http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2672-partition-volume-shrink.html, here is how to do it, but I can just tell you how
[00:12] <black> Ok that's probably better. Just let me get the irc up on my pc first
[00:12] <ShootEmUp> okay
[00:13] <Red_> hey.
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> hey
[00:13] <Red_> kk so how do i do this?
[00:13] <ShootEmUp> click on start, then RIGHT click on computer and click manage
[00:14] <Red_> Done.
[00:14] <ShootEmUp> go to disk management
[00:15] <Red_> done
[00:15] <ShootEmUp> right click on your C: drive and click on Shink Volume
[00:16] <ShootEmUp> it should Query for avalable shink space
[00:16] <Red_> Done.
[00:16] <Red_> its quarying.
[00:16] <Red_> how much space will this limit my Win7 side to? i still need it for everyday stuff as well as school.
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> Ubuntu can run on as little as 5GB, but I recomend atleast 10-15GB
[00:17] <ShootEmUp> you will set how much space to give to ubuntu
[00:18] <Red_> oh ok thats fine.
[00:18] <Red_> still querying.
[00:18] <ShootEmUp> can take awile
[00:19] <Red_> while that limit go for thing i DL to ubuntu and win7, or will they still share the extra space when it comes to DLing? (tbw its done)
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> you will have to get something that can read ubuntu partitions
[00:20] <Red_> what do you mean?
[00:20] <ShootEmUp> ubuntu can read windows partitions out of the box
[00:21] <Red_> ok.......... still dont get it.
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> but windows cannot read ext2,3,4 without 3rd party tools
[00:21] <ShootEmUp> please note READ, not WRITE
[00:22] <Red_> ok so unbuntu can read anything that windows has on it?
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> to write to windows partitions, ubuntu need ntfs-3gconfig
[00:22] <ShootEmUp> right
[00:23] <Red_> ok do i need to get it now?
[00:23] <ShootEmUp> ubuntu can write if you install ntfs-3g config, but that is done after install
[00:24] <Red_> oh so it goes in automatically?
[00:24] <ShootEmUp> no i'll tell you how later, lets shink the windows partition now
[00:25] <Red_> ok. its done querying.
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> how much space do you want to give to ubuntu?
[00:25] <Red_> what will that affect, speed?
[00:25] <ShootEmUp> no, just how much crap you can put on it
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> 15GB is good for a start
[00:26] <Red_> ok. ill go with that then. can i change this later if it comes down to that?
[00:26] <ShootEmUp> you can shink ubuntu partition just fine
[00:27] <ShootEmUp> then extend windows into that space
[00:27] <Red_> can i do the opposite and add space?
[00:27] <ShootEmUp> yes, just always shink windows from Disk Management
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> might screw up if you use gparted
[00:28] <Red_> ok got it. so what do i put in the text box to shrink it?
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> how much space can you shink it by?
[00:28] <ShootEmUp> it should say in the line above it
[00:29] <Red_> 859938 MB.
[00:29] <Red_> sorry 85938
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> about 85GB
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> how much do you want to give Ubuntu>
[00:29] <ShootEmUp> ?
[00:30] <Red_> holy crap! wasn't expecting THAT much! i guess ill go with 15 GB like you said and add later if i have to.
[00:30] <ShootEmUp> lol, okay. put in 15360 as how much to shink it by
[00:31] <Red_> ok done.
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> hit shink!
[00:31] <ShootEmUp> it might take awile
[00:32] <Red_> ok i hit it.
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> crap, I gotta go eat now, ttyl
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> be back soon!
[00:32] <Red_> kk ttyl. when will you be back?
[00:32] <Red_> oh sry
[00:32] <ShootEmUp> 1 hour tops
[00:33] <Red_> k cya.
[00:33] <Red_> hey anyone else in here?
[00:33] <Red_> hello
[00:34] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:34] <Red_> so i just started the partition of my HD
[00:35] <Red_> should it have finished already? it took like 15 seconds.
[00:35] <UndiFineD> it can take a while
[00:35] <Red_> yah but its already done i think.
[00:35] <UndiFineD> depending on the fragmentation of the windows disk
[00:36] <UndiFineD> worst case it has to move 15 gb of data before shrink can happen
[00:36] <Red_> it shows 15 GB in unallocated. so i guess it worked, but shouldn't it have taken much longer?
[00:36] <UndiFineD> it uses sector to sector copy, instead of doing it filesystem nicely
[00:37] <Red_> ....what?
[00:37] <UndiFineD> which is why, when you would boot back into windows thay ask to use chackdisk
[00:37] <UndiFineD> ... ok, so now you have empty space to partition
[00:38] <UndiFineD> is this your first time Red_ ?
[00:38] <Red_> yes. but it seems like it happened to quickly. i guess its nothing. anyways.....
[00:38] <Red_> what gave it away?
[00:39] <UndiFineD> the md5sum
[00:39] <Red_> what, a few hours ago?
[00:39] <UndiFineD> :)
[00:40] <Red_> its no secret. the people on this forum have basically been hold my hand through the install process.
[00:40] <Red_> Chat*
[00:40] <UndiFineD> well we do want happy users
[00:40] <UndiFineD> so on the empty space you can create a new partition
[00:41] <UndiFineD> or multiple
[00:41] <Red_> im glad. ive been to many forums where noobs are treated as idiots. Linux people have been great.
[00:41] <Red_> ok how do i do that?
[00:41] <UndiFineD> I often recommend using 3
[00:41] <Red_> 3 partitions? why?
[00:41] <Red_> i only need one for ubuntu.
[00:42] <UndiFineD> one for root /, one for swap (memory sized) and one for /home (user
[00:42] <Red_> um, ok. whats swap and /home?
[00:43] <UndiFineD> gnu/linux uses a swap file to store what cannot fit in memory, making it slightly bigger than internal memory so it can hybernate to disk is nice to have
[00:43] <UndiFineD> in generl only few times it is needed
[00:44] <UndiFineD> one could do without it too
[00:44] <Red_> so what is /home?
[00:45] <UndiFineD> it is the partition space where the users live
[00:45] <UndiFineD> having it separate from root ( / ) means a user filling up its partition cannot interfere system operation
[00:46] <UndiFineD> making it more stable
[00:46] <nit-wit> Red_, hows it going just checking in
[00:46] <Red_> k so root is where the root directory goes, home is where your user setttings are, and swap is for extra memory when linux runs out?
[00:47] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:47] <Red_> oh im about to set up the three new partitions on the shrinked space i created
[00:47] <UndiFineD> how much system memory do you have ?
[00:47] <nit-wit> Red_, did you remove a partition
[00:48] <Red_> No. i shrunk one.
[00:48] <UndiFineD> he shrunk windows by 15 gb
[00:48] <Red_> UndiFineD, do you mean the total HD space?
[00:49] <UndiFineD> no internal memory
[00:49] <UndiFineD> something like 1GB or 1024MB
[00:49] <Red_> RAM>
[00:49] <Red_> ?
[00:49] <UndiFineD> it is usually counted during bootup
[00:49] <nit-wit> Red_, you can't any if you have four primaries already
[00:49] <Red_> um, ok.
[00:50] <Red_> you mean RAM?
[00:50] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:50] <Red_> ok i have 2GB.
[00:50] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, this computer has 4 primaries
[00:50] <UndiFineD> ok great,
[00:50] <Red_> so, what do i do then nit-wit?
[00:50] <UndiFineD> nit-wit: really ?
[00:51] <nit-wit> Red we need to get on the correct track here. First you have 4 partitions 2 are hp formware and a boot, one os the main OS and one is a recovery
[00:51] <Red_> ok.....
[00:52] <nit-wit> Red_, have you done a backup of the OS
[00:52] <Red_> yes.
[00:52] <Red_> that bad?
[00:52] <UndiFineD> pfff recovery ... where is the time they just gave you a cd
[00:52] <nit-wit> Red_, cool so what will probably happen with a dual boot is you will loose that recovery trigger
[00:53] <Red_> i do have a backup on an exteral HD, and its more recent, so thats ok.
[00:53] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, I agree, but generally easily obtained
[00:53] <Red_> ok so now what?
[00:54] <nit-wit> Red_, I would just remove the sda3 and then you camn make a extended amd put your partitions in it
[00:54] <UndiFineD> I am thinking .. removal of such a partition
[00:55] <nit-wit> Red_, you only show a C correct?
[00:55] <Red_> only a c drive? yes.
[00:55] <UndiFineD> nit-wit: you have a link to his partitioning scheme ?
[00:55] <nit-wit> uni
[00:55] <Red_> i have it hold on.
[00:55] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656275
[00:56] <Red_> oh thx.
[00:57] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, pretty regular setup if you have it covered  I will not interrupt I have just been concerned here, and this is one of my stronger ares.
[00:57] <nit-wit> *areas
[00:57] <Red_> i dont mind if you stay. its actually better to have multiple opinions.
[00:57] <UndiFineD> go ahead then I might learn a few from you
[00:58] <UndiFineD> dualboot is not my strongpoint
[00:58] <UndiFineD> I use ubuntu only
[00:58] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, The full boot files are on the main OS sda2 we could probably remove even more but just trying to make space that works.
[00:59] <Red_> my end goal is triple boot with OSx as well, but thats a long way off for me.
[00:59] <nit-wit> Red_, I would just remove the recovery sda3
[00:59] <Red_> ok. why? i would still need one more free partition.
[01:00] <UndiFineD> no, the user and swap can be in extensed partition space
[01:00] <UndiFineD> in extented partition space
[01:00] <nit-wit> Red_, are you on the Ubuntu cd
[01:00] <Red_> no im in Win7. but i can get in it if you need me to.
[01:01] <nit-wit> Red_, To build partitions for Ubuntu you will need to be on the Live cd
[01:01] <nit-wit> Red_, Windows doesn't make the correct partitions
[01:03] <Red_> ok. shootemup said not to do it from gparted, but he may have just been talking about shrinking.
[01:03] <nit-wit> Red_, so I don't know where your at if your still in windows can you take a screen shot of the disk manager
[01:04] <Red_> i guess. where would i post it/
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, correct on the shrinking , and also the removal of one partition
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, hold on
[01:04] <Red_> but aren't you telling be to remove a partition right now?
[01:04] <nit-wit> Red_, her is a imagebin.http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:04] <nit-wit> *here
[01:08] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130324
[01:08] <nit-wit> Red_, thsnkd hold on
[01:10] <nit-wit> Red_, okay you have srunk C tha s good but in order to put anything there one partition has to go I suggest the sd3 it is right next to the unallocated, and you have a backup so that would be my advice.
[01:10] <nit-wit> *shrunk
[01:10] <Red_> ok. give me a sec
[01:11] <Red_> ok so on recovery i right click and hit delete volume?
[01:12] <nit-wit> yes
[01:12] <Red_> ok. doing it now.
[01:12] <nit-wit> Red_, wont be usable with a dual boot anyway
[01:13] <Red_> you mean if i did dual boot the recovery would be destroyed anyways?
[01:13] <Red_> and its recovery (:D) right?
[01:13] <nit-wit> Red_, access to it probably would be you would be lucky if it was, the bootloaders change with the dual booting
[01:14] <Red_> ok. im deleting it now.
[01:14] <nit-wit> Red_, this D partiti?on has never shown in computer you don't have access to it correct
[01:14] <nit-wit> Red_, D only shows in the disk manager
[01:15] <Red_> yes i do. i click computer and it comes up as of of the drives.
[01:15] <nit-wit> Red_, have you ever opened it
[01:15] <Red_> yes ive made a recovery on it. why?
[01:16] <nit-wit> Red okay so it was the original D drive you made a recovery to it. You have another recovery on a external correct
[01:17] <Red_> yes. it was made on christmas day, so it should be good. in fact the recovery in the D partition is way outdated.
[01:17] <nit-wit> Red_, just being extra cautious here so no other parts of the S in D
[01:18] <nit-wit> 8OS
[01:18] <nit-wit> *os
[01:19] <nit-wit> Red_, so D has nothing but or had nothing but the recovery made
[01:19] <Red_> yes. i dont recall ever putting anything except a recovery on it. had no reason to.
[01:20] <nit-wit> Red_, so its gone now or just dekete it where are we at.
[01:20] <Red_> im deleting it now.
[01:21] <nit-wit> Red_, cool so we should at the least reboot vista just to make sure its running and booting should be it may run a auto chkdsk.
[01:22] <Red_> its win7. and whats auto chkdsk?
[01:23] <nit-wit> Red_, a chkdsk is a system check sometimes when you resize a partition it just automatically run on restart
[01:23] <Red_> ok so delete it and then restart, and it will run on its own?
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, correct remove that partition then reboot back to W7 we are just making sure its sound
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, the sda3 partion D
[01:24] <Red_> ok. do you want me to ping you when im talking to you?
[01:24] <nit-wit> Red_, sure what exactly is that
[01:25] <Red_> ...pinging?
[01:25] <nit-wit> red2kic, is that the tab for the red color
[01:25] <nit-wit> Red_, wron person oops
[01:25] <UndiFineD> 2:25am I am off
[01:25] <UndiFineD> Red_: good luck
[01:25] <Red_> s'ok. yes. the thing that makes it beep
[01:26] <nit-wit> UndiFineD, sleep the dreams
[01:26] <Red_> brb. restarting.
[01:26] <Red_> same to you.
[01:26] <nit-wit> Red_,  sur I will be on the channel and I left you a message on your thread as weel
[01:26] <nit-wit> *sure
[01:27] <nit-wit> I can't spell OMG
[01:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> halp!!
[01:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> about to go on a tyraid
[01:28] <black> Hey this is my alt for when I'm redrafting my pc. I'm on my iPod touch. And I saw ur comment, thx!
[01:29] <black> *restarting. And it booted fine.
[01:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't get into a device with terminal by only the uuid
[01:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> d84b3300-5872-40dd-85f6-44a5e7be21cc
[01:30] <Red__> hey.
[01:30] <nit-wit> red2kic,  hey you in w7
[01:31] <shawn146|ubuntu> can someone help me?
[01:31] <Red__> so it booted fine. yes i am.
[01:31] <nit-wit> Red__, so we just need to boot the live Ubuntu cd and we can get you going
[01:32] <Red__> ok. ill reboot then. peace.
[01:34] <black> Linux booting takes forever. Amazing though. A full os on 2 gb of ram....
[01:36] <black> K I'm booting into trial now.
[01:36] <stlsaint> black: what distro you runnign that takes forever?
[01:36] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: you need help?
[01:37] <nit-wit> black, when you in linux lets get a screen shot of gparted.  http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:37] <black> .....ubuntu.
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> yesss
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> been trying to in #ubuntu and #JLime for hours
[01:37] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: whats up/
[01:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> blod seat and tears lol
[01:37] <nit-wit> shawn146|ubuntu, whats the problem
[01:38] <black> Ok it's booted. Give me a few.
[01:38] <nit-wit> shawn146|ubuntu, into device what does tthat mean
[01:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> i have a compact flash device that has been partitioned into 3 partitions, i amde the partitions
[01:39] <nit-wit> stlsaint, go for it
[01:39] <nit-wit> :)
[01:39] <stlsaint> nit-wit: lol
[01:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't figure out how to navigate into the folder with terminal
[01:40] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: you lost me, you just went from partitions to terminal commands?
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> yea
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> i am trying tog et into the device directory so i can jxdf
[01:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> or what it was
[01:42] <Red_> hey. can you repost the image dump thing nit-wit?
[01:42] <nit-wit> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[01:42] <Red_> thanks.
[01:42] <stlsaint> jxdf?
[01:42] <nit-wit> Red_, indubitably  "chip monks"
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> trying to untar icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> into the folder
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can't without sudo
[01:43] <Red_> what nit-wit?
[01:43] <nit-wit> Red_, I'm agreeing like the chipmonks due if your familiar with them
[01:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> the untar command for terminal
[01:43] <nit-wit> *do
[01:44] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: untar -xvvf <path_to_tar>
[01:44] <Red_> alvan and the chpimoks?
[01:44] <Red_> monks*
[01:44] <nit-wit> Red_,  yeah
[01:44] <Red_> lol ok then,
[01:46] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130327 there you go nit-wit
[01:46] <nit-wit> Red_,  thanks hold on
[01:47] <Red_> im in love. ubuntu feels so much better and  less scripted than win7.
[01:47] <webjocky> grats. hope I can eventually get it up and going too.
[01:47] <nit-wit> Red_, cool thats what we are looking for so right click the unallocated and make a extended partition, the hit the run button to make it
[01:48] <nit-wit> Red_, 28 giga is okay right
[01:48] <nit-wit> *gigs
[01:48] <Red_> whats with the extra unallocated?
[01:48] <Red_> well isnt 15 normal?
[01:48] <nit-wit> Red at the end of the partition
[01:49] <nit-wit> Red_, it is just the way things are only one mib
[01:49] <Red_> yah but why not just combine them?
[01:50] <Red_> nit-wit
[01:50] <Red_> did the ping work?
[01:50] <nit-wit> Red_, no real normal size really, we can go back to W7 and extend the C back in a bit but you have 140 gigs in the C open
[01:50] <nit-wit> Red_, I type slowly
[01:51] <nit-wit> Red_,  you have a external as well
[01:51] <Red_> yah but 28 leaves tons of room to add stuff to linux. and its fine, i do to. just checking to see if it worked. and yes i do, its 500GB.
[01:51] <nit-wit> Red_,  yoj can't combine them
[01:51] <nit-wit> *you
[01:51] <Red_> ok im doing what you said to.
[01:53] <Red_> i cant make the extended partition. its not in the right click menu.
[01:53] <nit-wit> Red_, let me give you a picture hold on
[01:56] <nit-wit> Red_,  so right click then new then there is a drop down see where mine says extended choose that.http://imagebin.org/130330
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> stlsaint i remember that one
[01:57] <Red_> create as>extended partition? ok.
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> but getting into the actual device directory
[01:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> nautilus calls it the 215 MB Filesystem
[01:59] <nit-wit> Red_, so we do the same thing again inside the extended and make a ext 4 it is in the dropdown right below the exteded picture. But you want to have a swap how much ram do you have and do you want to use the hibernate option
[01:59] <Red_> 2 GB and what is hibernate nit-wit?
[02:00] <nit-wit> Red_, Hibernate shuts down the computer and brings it back to where you were like what was open etc, but it takes as long as booting  never use it myself
[02:01] <Red_> well then whats the point, to save power?
[02:02] <nit-wit> Red_, not sure really some people use it for what ever i don't know really it is just a feature I guess
[02:03] <nit-wit> Red_, did you get the extended made
[02:03] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: what device are you trying to get into?
[02:04] <Red_> ok then no. i can do similer things with power options o believe. anyways, here's the new gparted: http://imagebin.org/130332 so now i do the same thing to the new partition #1?
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> a compact flash card
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> i ahve it mounted
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> *have
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> on ubuntu livecd
[02:04] <ShootEmUp> hey Red_
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> studioxps
[02:04] <shawn146|ubuntu> dell
[02:04] <Red_> hey. im creating the new partition extensions. im in linux now.
[02:04] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, hey man we are rioght at a graet part if you want to do this
[02:04] <nit-wit> *right
[02:05] <ShootEmUp> okay, what is it?
[02:05] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: where is it mounted?
[02:05] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, hold on we are just building the extended inside and here is a gparted shot http://imagebin.org/130327
[02:06] <shawn146|ubuntu> sdd2
[02:06] <Red_> theres a newer one above.
[02:06] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: is it at /media/sdd2 ?
[02:06] <Red_> so now i do the same thing to the new partition #1?
[02:06] <shawn146|ubuntu> well it sby uuid
[02:07] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, we removed the recovery to get a 4th for the extended
[02:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> i can see the directory in nautilus
[02:07] <Red_> like create an extended partition?
[02:07] <Red_> yah but its cool cause i have it backed up on an external HD.
[02:07] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: sby uuid?
[02:07] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: what is sby??
[02:07] <ShootEmUp> If you create a logical partition, it will automaticly put it in a extened partition
[02:08] <Red_> whats the difference?
[02:08] <ShootEmUp> for ubuntu, none
[02:09] <ShootEmUp> you can have unlimited logical partitions, but only 4 primarys
[02:09] <Red_> ok. nit-wit, i do it to new partition #1 right? or another one?
[02:09] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: if the card is mounted ad sdd2 than enter the directory with: cd /media/sdd2
[02:09] <nit-wit> a logical will only go in a extended it wont build both, there is only room for one extnded for a logical and a swap
[02:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7142/compactflashext2part.png
[02:10] <Red_> so then i create a logical in new partition #1 then?
[02:11] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> no such file or directory
[02:11] <nit-wit> Red_,  we are getting off track shootemup we just need a exteded filling the unalloctaed to begin with
[02:11] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you have this correct
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> okay, make a partition in the 28GB part
[02:12] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, you want to help them finish off I can help others
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> just fill it all the way, It won't make it yet so don't worrry
[02:12] <ShootEmUp> nit-wit, sure
[02:12] <Red_> ok so my Gparted looks like this. http://imagebin.org/130332 what now?
[02:12] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, cool thanks you all
[02:13] <ShootEmUp> Red_, where it says unallocated, right click and select make new or something like that
[02:14] <Red_> why does it still say one operation pending?
[02:14] <ShootEmUp> because it hasn't done anything yet
[02:14] <ShootEmUp> It will don't worry
[02:14] <Red_> ok then...
[02:15] <shawn146|ubuntu> hmm
[02:15] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: do you get any errors?
[02:15] <Red_> ok so make new loagical or exteneded?
[02:15] <ShootEmUp> logical
[02:16] <Red_> ok done.
[02:17] <ShootEmUp> what did you set the file system to>
[02:17] <Red_> i didnt change it.
[02:17] <Red_> should i have?
[02:18] <ShootEmUp> I think it defaults to ext2, you should change that to ext4
[02:18] <Red_> is it too late?
[02:18] <ShootEmUp> no, right click and select format to > ext4
[02:19] <Red_> ok got it.
[02:19] <ShootEmUp> now we need swap, how much ram does your computer have? I think 2GB
[02:20] <Red_> yes.
[02:21] <Red_> hey is this what i want right now? http://imagebin.org/130335
[02:21] <ShootEmUp> wile I don't recomend it you can actuly skip swap, but I recomend 1GB swap
[02:22] <ShootEmUp> shink your current ext4 by 1024MB
[02:22] <Red_> while in lunux?
[02:22] <ShootEmUp> right click > resize/move
[02:23] <Red_> ok but in that pic up the re^ is everything right?
[02:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> oiyh
[02:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> being ignored everywhere
[02:23] <ShootEmUp> Red_, everything is fine
[02:24] <ShootEmUp> Open the Resize/Move on the ext4 partition
[02:24] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: is your issue resolved?
[02:24] <Red_> ok good. so i thought you said not to in linux?
[02:24] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: being ignored?? You are not responding to my questions...
[02:25] <ShootEmUp> Red_, your resizing the linux partition
[02:25] <ShootEmUp> nothing has been done yet
[02:25] <Red_> oh right sry.
[02:26] <ShootEmUp> Red_, put the "Free space following (MiB)" to 1024
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> sorry
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> was sayign good by to the heater replacement guys
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> bye
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> *
[02:26] <shawn146|ubuntu> this issue has been troubling me for hours
[02:27] <Red_> ok so i change any of ther other values?
[02:27] <ShootEmUp> no
[02:27] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: well i asked you if you were getting any errors when trying to get into the directory
[02:27] <ShootEmUp> Red_, click resize/move
[02:27] <Red_> alright. hting rezise.
[02:27] <shawn146|ubuntu> ic an'tg et in at all
[02:27] <Red_> done.
[02:27] <shawn146|ubuntu> i simply don't knwo the path
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> *know
[02:28] <Red_> what next?
[02:28] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: open a terminal
[02:28] <ShootEmUp> Red_, you should have a 1gb unallocated space after your ext4 partition
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> have one opened
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> with a lot of commands
[02:28] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: enter the command: cd /media
[02:28] <ShootEmUp> Red_, right click on it and click New
[02:28] <shawn146|ubuntu> i see the one i need
[02:29] <Red_> 1 MiB? yes.
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> ls i see all the media
[02:29] <ShootEmUp> Red_, 1GB
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> d84b3300-5872-40dd-85f6-44a5e7be21cc
[02:29] <Red_> new what?
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> ...
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> wow
[02:29] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: so use the cd command to enter it
[02:29] <ShootEmUp> Red_, not the 1MiB space at the end of the drive
[02:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> that simple lol
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> i finally got into it
[02:30] <Red_> right the one in ext 4
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> ima total noob to linux
[02:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, the 1GB space at the end of the ext4 partitioon
[02:30] <shawn146|ubuntu> what was that extract command
[02:30] <Red_> i know. so new what?
[02:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, right click on the unallocated space and click on New
[02:31] <Red_> Iknow. then new what?
[02:31] <ShootEmUp> change the File System to linux-swap
[02:31] <Red_> logiacl right?
[02:31] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:31] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: tar -xvvf nomnomnom.tar
[02:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> .bz2?
[02:32] <Red_> done. now what/
[02:32] <Red_> ?*
[02:32] <ShootEmUp> Click Add
[02:32] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: right click the .bz2 and choose to extract it, then transfer it over to the drive
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> Red_, now put up another screenshot, I just wanna make sure
[02:33] <Red_> "partition can not add"
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> ?
[02:33] <ShootEmUp> any erorr mesages?
[02:34] <Red_> yah give me a minute.
[02:35] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130338 here
[02:36] <ShootEmUp> ahh, make the linux-swap on the space BEFORE the ext4 partition
[02:36] <Red_> ohhhhhhhhh sry.
[02:36] <ShootEmUp> my bad
[02:37] <Red_> k its done.
[02:37] <ShootEmUp> THEN, post another screenshot, just wanna make sure before we destroy everything (JK)
[02:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> stlsaint i did hours ago..and it said i had no permission
[02:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> thats what i need sudo for
[02:39] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130339
[02:39] <ShootEmUp> you may now hit the green check at the top of the screen
[02:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok  i sudo tar -xvvf icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[02:40] <Red_> is this the big button that will make it go boom?
[02:40] <ShootEmUp> yup
[02:40] <Red_> k its going.
[02:41] <ShootEmUp> It may take some time
[02:41] <ShootEmUp> not long because your make new partition insted of resizing
[02:42] <Red_> its already done. whats the save details thing?
[02:42] <ShootEmUp> just to save a txt saying what you did
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> you can skip that
[02:43] <Red_> oh ok.
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> now time to install!
[02:43] <Red_> ok now what do i do?
[02:43] <Red_> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
[02:43] <ShootEmUp> double click on the Install Ubuntu 10.10 icon on your desktop
[02:44] <Red_> how do i that? reboot and at the prompt hit install right?
[02:44] <Red_> oh ok got it.
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> no. just click on the icon
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> when you get to partitioning click on manual
[02:44] <ShootEmUp> I'll talk you thru it
[02:45] <Red_> do i install thrid party software and updates?
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu>   tar: icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[02:45] <shawn146|ubuntu>
[02:46] <ShootEmUp> Red_, if you want to play mp3s, sure
[02:46] <stlsaint> shawn146|ubuntu: did you try sudo before it?
[02:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:46] <Red_> ShootEmUp, so yes to both?
[02:46] <ShootEmUp> yes, to both
[02:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> sudo tar -xvvf icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2
[02:47] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: try including the path
[02:48] <holstein> using tab-complete as you go
[02:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> where in there
[02:48] <holstein> to be sure you're pointing to it
[02:48] <holstein> *try
[02:48] <holstein> "try"
[02:48] <Red_> ShootEmUp, im at the part where is says manual. pick that?
[02:48] <ShootEmUp> yes
[02:49] <Red_> ok done. now what?
[02:49] <ShootEmUp> send me a screenshot (last one I promess!)
[02:49] <Red_> S'ok, i dont mind.
[02:51] <Red_> http://imagebin.org/130340 there you go ShootEmUp
[02:51] <shawn146|ubuntu> would it be /ubuntu/desktop?
[02:52] <ShootEmUp> Red_ scroll down to the one that is type ext4
[02:52] <ShootEmUp> /dev/sda6 I think
[02:53] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[02:54] <Red_> here you go: http://imagebin.org/130341
[02:55] <ShootEmUp> okay single click on /dev/sda5
[02:55] <ShootEmUp> then click on Change...
[02:56] <Red_> done.
[02:56] <ShootEmUp> Red_, select Use as: ext4
[02:56] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: can you navigate to the file?
[02:57] <holstein> the .tar.bz2
[02:57] <holstein> and right-click on it
[02:57] <holstein> view properties
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:57] <Red_> journal fling? done.
[02:57] <holstein> and see its path?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> i did in the terminal
[02:57] <ShootEmUp> Red_ and then select mount point as /
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ dir
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> compactflashext2part.png	    Screenshot1.png
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> examples.desktop		    Screenshot2.png
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> icewm-image-Mongo-08.07.08.tar.bz2  ubiquity-gtkui.desktop
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[02:57] <Red_>  just / and no more?
[02:57] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: is it on the desktop?
[02:57] <ShootEmUp> Red_, also select Format
[02:57] <holstein> the file?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> oops, didn't eman to copy entire folder
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[02:57] <holstein> i thought it was on a USB stick
[02:57] <holstein> ?
[02:57] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[02:58] <shawn146|ubuntu> i had to get access to a  compact flash card plugged into the reader
[02:58] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: try sudo tar -xvvf the path/the file
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu>  ah
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> what would the path be>
[02:59] <Red_> k done. here: http://imagebin.org/130343
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> for the desktop
[02:59] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /home/ubuntu/Desktop/whatever
[02:59] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: USE
[02:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh thank you
[02:59] <holstein> the tab key
[02:59] <holstein> to auto complete as you go
[02:59] <holstein> type
[02:59] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /ho
[02:59] <holstein> hit tab
[03:00] <holstein> then
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> gotta work on that more
[03:00] <holstein> sudo tar -xvvf /home/ubun
[03:00] <holstein> hit tabe
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> linux itself more
[03:00] <holstein> tab*
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> it worked ty
[03:00] <holstein> so on
[03:00] <holstein> THEN
[03:00] <holstein> you'll know what you're looking for is actually there
[03:00] <ShootEmUp> Red_, hit OK
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> now i need to get the updated kernal
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> its in the card
[03:00] <shawn146|ubuntu> wow that was a lot of grief lol
[03:00] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: ??
[03:00] <Red_> done
[03:01] <holstein> this is a live CD?
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> ubuntu livecd
[03:01] <holstein> well, i dont know what you're up to...
[03:01] <holstein> go for it :)
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:01] <ShootEmUp> Red_, now single click on /dev/sda6, and then click on change
[03:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> i finally achieved what i was trying to do all day lol
[03:02] <Red_> ShootEmUp, done.
[03:02] <ShootEmUp> okay, change the use as to "swap area"
[03:03] <Red_> it was already on that.
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> I think It should allready say that
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> yup
[03:03] <ShootEmUp> just hit okay
[03:03] <Red_> k done.
[03:04] <ShootEmUp> Red_, we are almost done, stay in the fight! also hit install now
[03:04] <Red_> thats it? dont have to edit any of the other partitions?
[03:04] <ShootEmUp> nope
[03:04] <stlsaint> thewrath: hey man, long time no speak
[03:04] <thewrath> hey stlsaint
[03:04] <thewrath> yea
[03:05] <Red_> Done.
[03:05] <thewrath> stlsaint what you been up to
[03:06] <ShootEmUp> Red_,now finish the questions, user name and password, ect
[03:06] <Red_> kk working on it.
[03:07] <ShootEmUp> Red_, there is like nothing else, except if you want to be able to write to your windows partitions.
[03:07] <thewrath> any good free irc clients recommendations?
[03:08] <Red_> why would i want to do that?
[03:08] <aveilleux> thewrath: Xchat
[03:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_, IDK
[03:08] <Red_> then im good.
[03:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok backed up all the instructions and commands so i don't ahve to go through taht again lol
[03:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_, if you want to view your ubuntu files from windows, use ext2read
[03:09] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: i have to ask, what are you doing?
[03:09] <Red_> im at where you put user name and password. i filled it all out, but the forward button wont light up.
[03:09] <ShootEmUp> password don't match?
[03:10] <Red_> double checked. they do.
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh installing JLime linux to my Jornada 720
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> using a 512MB sandisk Compact flash card
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> partitioned
[03:10] <holstein> OK
[03:10] <Red_> should it be better than "fair password"
[03:10] <ShootEmUp> Red_, all the boxes have something in them?
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[03:10] <holstein> thats what the kernel is for then
[03:10] <Red_> ?
[03:10] <shawn146|ubuntu> why u mad
[03:10] <Red_> yes.
[03:10] <aveilleux> Red_: Make sure your username has no caps or spaces.
[03:10] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: me?
[03:11] <ShootEmUp> Red_, screenshot I guess
[03:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> yea
[03:11] <holstein> no that sounds like a fun project
[03:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:11] <Red_> bumer. so the best i can do is red-raven?
[03:11] <ShootEmUp> yup
[03:11] <Red_> awwwww.... oh well.
[03:11] <Red_> worked. thx.
[03:12] <aveilleux> Red_: For your username, yes. Your real name can be whatever you want.
[03:12] <Red_> k cool.
[03:13] <aveilleux> That's probably the most-often asked question in here.
[03:13] <shawn146|ubuntu> this was the error the first time i tried it (yesterday got the install process right) then it came upw itht his error http://jlime.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=3054&sid=eb6254f2e52651fb1be55d07e9fecb88
[03:14] <aveilleux> "Stuck at the window where you enter username and pass, please help"
[03:14] <aveilleux> Always the same problem.
[03:14] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: drag
[03:14] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[03:14] <holstein> yeah, not a straight forward install there
[03:14] <ShootEmUp> Red_, okay, ext2read link http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2read/
[03:15] <Red_> ok idk if i would use it. i might get it later.
[03:15] <ShootEmUp> for reading your ubuntu files from windows
[03:16] <aveilleux> ShootEmUp, Red_: ext2read doesn't support ext4, afaik
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, I does now
[03:16] <aveilleux> When
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> I use it, but ext4 support is new
[03:16] <aveilleux> When was that implemented*
[03:16] <ShootEmUp> umm, Feb
[03:17] <aveilleux> Weird, it didn't work for me a few weeks ago.
[03:17] <ShootEmUp> http://ext2read.blogspot.com/2010/04/ext2read-22-released-now-with-lvm2-and.html
[03:17] <ShootEmUp> Sunday, April 11, 2010
[03:19] <ShootEmUp> It's okay, I'm still lerning about this crap
[03:19] <aveilleux> ShootEmUp: Oh oh oh, this is just the reader. I thought you were talking about the filesystem driver.
[03:19] <Red_> Thanks so much to everyone who helped me out.  I really appreciate the patience you had with me.
[03:19] <shawn146|ubuntu> how do i copy a file by sudo in terminal?
[03:19] <aveilleux> Red_: No prob ;-)
[03:20] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: sudo cp file destination
[03:20] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: cp is copy
[03:20] <Red_> so whats linux mobile?
[03:20] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, no problem, Red_ It been fun helping you
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh ok
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> lets see of soemthing works
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> i did sudo nautilus
[03:20] <shawn146|ubuntu> will that give my sudo rights in nautilus?
[03:20] <holstein> hmmm
[03:20] <holstein> not sure about that
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: You really want to run graphical prigrams with gksudo
[03:21] <Red_> its been fun gettin it to work. can't wait to put it to use.
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Sudo messes
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:21] <ShootEmUp> Red_, It should almost be done now
[03:21] <aveilleux> Up ownership configuration*
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> i got a buhc of error coding of that command
[03:21] <shawn146|ubuntu> sudo nautilus
[03:21] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Ignore those, you'll
[03:22] <Red_> 3 minutes remaining.
[03:22] <aveilleux> Get them anyway I HATE THIS TINY KEYBOARD
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> i'll-?
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:22] <ShootEmUp> aveilleux, lol
[03:22] <shawn146|ubuntu> ok so gksudo nautilus works?
[03:22] <aveilleux> Okay I really can't keep up properly on an iPod, see you all later
[03:23] <holstein> aveilleux: hehe
[03:23] <aveilleux> shawn146|ubuntu: Yes, it will work. Just make darn sure you know what you're doing.
[03:23] <holstein> laterx
[03:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:23] <nit-wit> Red_, go Red go Red go.:)
[03:23] <shawn146|ubuntu> ic an't find downloads folder
[03:23] <holstein>   /home/you/Downloads
[03:23] <Red_> lol so glad i finally picked a good handle.
[03:25] <Red_> ok its going to take more than 3 min.
[03:25] <nit-wit> Red_, on the forums we generally work together to help, it is not so kosher on the RC but it worked out well here eh
[03:25] <ShootEmUp> Red_ my install took about an hour
[03:26] <nit-wit> ShootEmUp, thanks for helping in the finish that is a tricky part to explain.
[03:26] <ShootEmUp> screenshots helped BIG
[03:26] <Red_> well im really glad then cause i think i would have given up on the forums. this is so much faster.
[03:26] <ShootEmUp> Got something done in a day, the forums would have taken a week
[03:27] <ShootEmUp> Forums = good for one problem
[03:27] <ShootEmUp> IRC = good for alot of problems
[03:28] <Red_> yah ive had to ask several questions for each tiny little step, and then a few more to understand them.
[03:29] <shawn146|ubuntu> who has used JLime?
[03:30] <ShootEmUp> Red_, glad I had done this before, else we could have broken something
[03:31] <Red_> im glad i took my A.D.D pill when i did this, cause know i would have.
[03:31] <ShootEmUp> Red_ lol
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> OMG
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> kernal panic AGAIN
[03:32] <Red_> dead seriouse.
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> and nobody in #jlime responding
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> this si geettign over frustrating
[03:32] <shawn146|ubuntu> for dayzz
[03:33] <ShootEmUp> Red_, okay everyone has problems. I didn't speek till I was 4
[03:33] <Red_> lol im proud of it.
[03:34] <ShootEmUp> Red_ would be like OMG WHAT THE **** AM I GONNA DO!
[03:34] <ShootEmUp> and start pounding on the keyboard
[03:35] <Red_> brb got to......take care of some buizness.
[03:36] <ShootEmUp> okay, probably has to go to the bathroom
[03:36] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: any other distros install on that thing?
[03:36] <holstein> puppy?
[03:36] <holstein> it would have to be small right?
[03:37] <holstein> what size is the HD ?
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> theres no harddrive
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> it uses flash
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> 32 MB's memory
[03:37] <shawn146|ubuntu> 15 storage
[03:38] <shawn146|ubuntu> and 15 program memory taht can be merged either way
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> !!!
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> did it again-_-i am about to throw it
[03:39] <shawn146|ubuntu> across the room
[03:40] <holstein> right
[03:40] <holstein> what size hard drive can you use?
[03:40] <holstein> flash?
[03:40] <holstein> or whatever
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> compact flash
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> idk if there is a limit
[03:40] <shawn146|ubuntu> of what is avaible for CF
[03:41] <Red_> hey. almost done. i think...
[03:41] <holstein> maybe you can get a command line buntu system running on it
[03:41] <holstein> a server or something
[03:41] <ShootEmUp> Rud_ progress bar almost full?
[03:41] <shawn146|ubuntu> it runs the Intel Strong Arm sa1011 206MHz processor
[03:41] <ShootEmUp> Red_*
[03:41] <holstein> some kind of mp3 player with an ncurses mp3 player running in a terminal :)
[03:42] <holstein> music server box
[03:42] <holstein> something fun
[03:42] <Red_> yah about a 4th left.
[03:43] <shawn146|ubuntu> lol
[03:43] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: you've got a 720?
[03:44] <shawn146|ubuntu> yes
[03:44] <holstein> hey
[03:44] <holstein> pcmcia
[03:44] <holstein> USB on that thing?
[03:45] <Red_> i can't beleive that took almost 8 strait hours of working on my pc.please tell me it can auto update?
[03:45] <ShootEmUp> You can set it to update in the background
[03:45] <ShootEmUp> so yes
[03:45] <Red_> YES!
[03:46] <ShootEmUp> It should install updates during install to, just not all of them
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> nope
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> but there are pcmcia cards that add the support
[03:46] <shawn146|ubuntu> along with specialized drivers
[03:46] <Red_> so what language do i need to learn to edit it? i know the apps are C++ but what about the OS?
[03:47] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: what network?
[03:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> network?
[03:47] <shawn146|ubuntu> it has a built in modem
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ most ubuntu setting are set via GUI
[03:48] <holstein> a little LAN port?
[03:48] <holstein> hmmm
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> you can run wireless pcmcia cards
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> a little modem port for a phone line
[03:48] <holstein> i have a couple wired and wifi pcmcia cards
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ but there are command line commands
[03:48] <holstein> you got any?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> no
[03:48] <Red_> so its an interface, not a language?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> ive been looking for some
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> do you have an aeronet g40?
[03:48] <shawn146|ubuntu> or 340 something
[03:48] <ShootEmUp> Red_ yes, but you can program things for it via c++
[03:49] <ShootEmUp> but I don't know how
[03:49] <thewrath> is there an admin member in here? I think i know what to do but want to verify
[03:49] <thewrath> i used to be a member and now it looks like i am not on the list anymore
[03:49] <Red_> cool. so different distros are made by editing settings?
[03:49] <thewrath> do i have to send an email to the council to get reinstated
[03:50] <shawn146|ubuntu> oiyh it kernal panicked again >.<
[03:50] <ShootEmUp> there is ubuntu based, debian based, Gentoo, Fedora, Arch, etc...
[03:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> thewrath, yup talk to #ubuntu-beginners-council
[03:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> and send a mail too
[03:50] <shawn146|ubuntu> holstein you awake?
[03:50] <ShootEmUp> Red_ its endless
[03:51] <Red_> yah but are thsoe just different presets of linux settings?
[03:51] <Red_> or did they take the source code and edit that?
[03:51] <ShootEmUp> they are differnt spins on the Linux kernel
[03:51] <Red_> oh ok.
[03:51] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: o/
[03:51] <holstein> id have to look
[03:51] <Red_> Installing system!
[03:52] <holstein> i dont think so...
[03:52] <ShootEmUp> Red_ but all are differnt in the command department
[03:52] <shawn146|ubuntu> oh
[03:53] <Red_> brb got to empty the dish washer.
[03:54] <shawn146|ubuntu> k
[03:58] <Red_> DONE INSTSLLING! YAAAAAY! thank you guys so much! brb got to restart now.
[03:58] <ShootEmUp> yup, see ya then
[03:58] <thewrath> umm what is landscape is it free when i install ubuntu or no?
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> kernal panic kernal panic kernal panic!!!!
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> gahh i can't take it anymore
[03:59] <shawn146|ubuntu> (kernal panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,255)
[04:00] <holstein> shawn146|ubuntu: what has changed?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> nothing!!!
[04:01] <holstein> the kernel that is coming with the download should work right?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> i found videos on it
[04:01] <holstein> did you try all the verions there?
[04:01] <shawn146|ubuntu> whats the apt-get package for adobe flash player?
[04:01] <holstein> hmm
[04:01] <holstein> i usually get the big meta package
[04:01] <ShootEmUp> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[04:02] <holstein> ShootEmUp: :)
[04:02] <black> Ok I need someone to explain grub to me.
[04:03] <ShootEmUp> grub2 boots differnt OS, thats all i got
[04:03] <shawn146|ubuntu> ShootEmUp not helpfull
[04:03] <nit-wit> black, is it the multiple lines tha tis confusing
[04:03] <ShootEmUp> just select Ubuntu to boot into ubuntu, or windows loader to go to windows 7
[04:04] <ShootEmUp> up down keys, and enter
[04:04] <black> I'm red btw.
[04:04] <ShootEmUp> I know
[04:04] <black> Talking to nit-wit
[04:04] <holstein> hmmm
[04:04] <holstein> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package)
[04:05] <holstein> i see it running sudo apt-cache search flash
[04:05] <nit-wit> black, what is it about grub that you want to know
[04:07] <Red_> Ubuntu....It's....It's....It's Alive!!!!!!!!!
[04:07] <ShootEmUp> YAY!
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> nope
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> :P
[04:07] <Red_> thanks guys. so what do you recomend to DL first?
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> why is it installing so slowly
[04:07] <shawn146|ubuntu> in ubuntu software center
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> Red_ I like VLC for media files
[04:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> mozzilla plugin
[04:08] <Red_> yes.
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> Chromium Web browser
[04:08] <ShootEmUp> if you don;t like FF
[04:08] <Red_> sorry. I love FF.
[04:08] <shawn146|ubuntu> i like ff
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> never cared for FF
[04:09] <bgs100> vim-full
[04:09] <bgs100> :p
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> liked opera, but Chrome is better
[04:09] <ShootEmUp> Compiz Config Manager
[04:10] <ShootEmUp> let you do the Compiz effects
[04:10] <Red_> well, i got to go get ready for bed. (parents). might see you before i shut it down for the night.
[04:10] <ShootEmUp> okay, well I gotta go to bed to, night everyone!
[04:10] <thewrath> night
[04:10] <thewrath> hey ShootEmUp and Red_
[04:10] <Red_> night.
[04:11] <Red_> yup?
[04:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> ?
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> yes?
[04:11] <thewrath> just saying hey
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> hey
[04:11] <ShootEmUp> now goodnight
[04:11] <Red_> kk. be back later. maybe.
[04:11] <shawn146|ubuntu> your all going?
[04:28] <shawn146> back
[04:28] <shawn146> not on my ubuntu system
[04:29] <shawn146> hmm
[04:29] <shawn146> taht jlime is too frustrating
[04:29] <shawn146> i need someone fromt aht channelt o actually talk and not idle
[04:31] <Red_> everyone left?
[04:31] <nit-wit> Red_, your all set up eh
[04:42] <Red_> yah i still am. but not for long.
[04:43] <Red_> jsu wondering , how old are you?
[04:43] <holstein> shawn146: you might have to hang out there for a couple days
[04:43] <nit-wit> Red_, me
[04:43] <Red_> yah.
[04:44] <nit-wit> Red 48 years old and a college student again lol
[04:45] <Red_> ah. im 15 and im a freshman in high school.
[04:45] <nit-wit> Red_, cool well I only started with computing about 3 years ago so you are on a good start
[04:46] <Red_> thx. im ina web design class in the mornings to.
[04:46] <Red_> so what do you spend most of ur time on linux doing?
[04:47] <nit-wit> Red_, I do support at the Ubuntu forums like most of the members we all break something sooner or later that somebody else knows how to fix.
[04:48] <Red_> lol. what do you do to break it? it seems pretty stable.
[04:50] <Red_> it has built in proxy!?
[04:54] <nit-wit> Red_, you have a lot of control with open source at first be careful, it is pretty stable though. people get in trouble trying to lean programs out at times
[04:55] <Red_> ok. so any appps you recomend i start out with?
[04:59] <nit-wit> Red_, you want the ubuntu-restricted -extras in synaptic which is the installer in the admin where gparted was
[14:06] <akshatj> M0hi, o/
[14:07] <M0hi> hey akshatj. join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[14:25] <Timo_> Well M0hi the mplayer still gives me that there is no connection with a socket and th efile/folder is not found
[14:26] <M0hi> Timo_, try re-installing mplayer or watch whether a normal system update detects those packages as you removed audacity
[14:28] <Timo_> That didn't work.
[14:30] <M0hi> re-installing mplayer too?
[14:30] <M0hi> Timo_, ?
[14:30] <Timo_> well I'll install it from the synaptic now
[14:30] <Timo_> who knows that makes any differencve
[14:31] <Timo_> mm I found the probl I guess
[14:31] <M0hi> Timo_, also checked an update by clicking "check" ?
[14:31] <M0hi> Timo_, you found it?
[14:31] <Timo_> gnome-mplayer wasn't installed
[14:31] <Timo_> it was just mplayer being installed
[14:31] <RedRaven>  hey.
[14:32] <M0hi> hey RedRaven
[14:32] <M0hi> Timo_, see -team
[14:34] <Timo_> duanedesign: I've done the nolirc, but it still gives me the stuffa bout lirc and the no file/folder fuond :(
[14:34] <Timo_> but I thnik I found another problem :p
[14:34] <M0hi> Timo_, try it
[14:34] <Timo_> look: http://pastebin.com/V7UWJMev
[14:35] <Timo_> rtmp gives an error, that's why the .flv is not created, and that's why MPLAYER can't find the file
[14:35] <Timo_> :
[14:35] <Timo_> :)
[14:36] <M0hi> I have no clue about that error :[
[14:36] <Timo_> mm no that's not it :(
[14:39] <duanedesign> Timo_: are you using the GUI for mplayer?
[14:40] <duanedesign> Timo_: i was going to see if you could try the commnd:   mplayer -vo x11 yourmoviefile
[14:42] <Timo_> I'm the myspace downloader script, which is using rtmp and mplayer...
[14:43] <Timo_> brb
[14:43] <duanedesign> you can also uncomment the line in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[14:49] <Timo_> hi M0hi back! & duanedesign
[14:49] <duanedesign> hello Timo_
[14:49] <RedRaven> Hey sorry. had to get some breakfeast.
[14:50] <RedRaven> wont be on long.
[14:50] <duanedesign> Timo_: i was saying inside gksu gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[14:50] <duanedesign> Timo_: uncomment the line :     # vo=xv,x11
[14:51] <Timo_> well duanedesign my config file is completely empty...
[14:51] <duanedesign> hmm :(
[14:51] <M0hi> duanedesign, re-installing it ?
[14:51] <duanedesign> Timo_: maybe in $HOME/.mplayer/
[14:52] <Timo_> yes duanedesign, [gnome-mplayer]
[14:52] <Timo_> that and: msglevel=all=5
[14:52] <Timo_> is in the config file
[14:52] <Timo_> not more..
[14:52] <Timo_> well and I added the things like nolirc=yes
[14:55] <Timo_> is that wrong? Should I have more info in that config file?
[16:10] <Timo_> Hey lads, I've installed the netbook-launcer, when a window is active, is there a way to configure it that way that if I click the icon in the doc, it will minimize?
[16:15] <ibuclaw> Timo_, the dock on the left hand side?
[16:15] <ibuclaw> it's not very configurable am afraid. :s
[16:16] <ibuclaw> other than adding/removing launchers, and reorganising them
[16:18] <Timo_> ibuclaw: yes that one. mm that's pitty
[16:18] <Timo_> plus I lost my 'Force Quit' button :(
[16:18] <Timo_> the upper panel is now also locked..
[16:19] <ibuclaw> Force quit?
[16:19] <ibuclaw> as in... xkill ?
[16:19] <Timo_> ye
[16:19] <Timo_> it's helpful sometime
[16:21] <Timo_> bah that launcher is so pretty, but works like nothing :P
[16:21] <Timo_> Alt+F2 is disabled
[16:21] <Timo_> searchig for apps doesn't work
[16:22] <aveilleux> Timo_: Such is the massive pitfall of the netbook interface: No customization options whatsoever
[16:23] <Timo_> aveilleux: do you know what the program is named, which is 'Run' (ALT+F2)
[16:23] <aveilleux> Timo_: Unfortunately not, I haven't had it installed in a long time
[16:25] <Timo_> okeis
[16:26] <Timo_> mm I guess mutter doesn't have that kind of stuff
[16:26] <Timo_> grr
[17:20] <stlsaint> thewrath: mike?
[17:21] <thewrath> yeap
[17:21] <thewrath> you will probably get another friend request
[17:21] <stlsaint> thewrath: why? from who?
[17:21] <thewrath> that account is going bye bye probably in the next 2 weeks once i get all of my friends moved over... that account has issues with viewing the profile and facebook is not getting off of their *** and helping me
[17:21] <thewrath> it will be from me on my new account
[17:22] <stlsaint> thewrath: yea i had a issue the first time i hit the link
[17:22] <thewrath> yea my new account does not have that issue
[17:22] <thewrath> had that issue once i got the new profile and joined the new messaging system
[17:23] <stlsaint> lol, i refuse to get that new account crap
[17:23] <thewrath> i see
[17:23] <thewrath> it looked  you had it
[17:23] <thewrath> at least the new profile maybe not the new messaging system
[17:24] <stlsaint> yea i refused to manually upgrade but one day i logged in and everything looked different
[17:24] <stlsaint> a reason im considering leaving facebook
[17:25] <aveilleux> I don't understand that mentality.
[17:25] <aveilleux> Facebook is a constant work in progress: much like many online games. It'll never be "complete" or "perfect".
[17:26] <thewrath> yea it is
[17:26] <thewrath> next thing they changed I will create my own "Facebook" with buddy press
[17:26] <aveilleux> If the developers find something that they like better, it's much easier to implement that solution than have to support many different configurations (this is like the classic console-vs-PC decision)
[17:26] <thewrath> yea it is starting to annoy me
[17:27] <aveilleux> Facebook, if anything, has *added* features over the past year and made them much easier to access. Is it different? Definitely. Is it wrong?.. well, no.
[17:27] <aveilleux> Look at the paradox of a Windows user transferring over to OSX or GNU/Linux.
[17:28] <aveilleux> It's a very different process to do many of the things in the OSs, but none of them are inherently "the best" way to do anything.
[17:28] <stlsaint> aveilleux: it comes down to a personal decision
[17:28] <stlsaint> aveilleux: when i came to ubuntu i liked it and wanted to use gnome
[17:28] <aveilleux> The developers had a problem (or an "itch", if you follow Stallman's works), and the solved it ("scratched the itch") in their own way,.
[17:28] <aveilleux> s/works/words
[17:29] <aveilleux> Stallman's latest works are less than notable.
[17:29] <aveilleux> Anyway.
[17:29] <stlsaint> aveilleux: just because they decide to use unity doesnt make it right nor user friendly or *better*, it disappoints me because i want to use gnome and they make you use unity
[17:29] <aveilleux> stlsaint: The only problem with that analogy is that the Unity team really believes it to be a better solution than Gnome Shell, not just a different way of approaching the problem.
[17:30] <stlsaint> and facebook thought that changing their layout would ame things better
[17:30] <stlsaint> s/amd/make
[17:30] <aveilleux> What issues do you have with the new design? Have you examined why they bother you?
[17:31] <thewrath> aveilleux, no one can view my profile
[17:31] <thewrath> my account exists but people get a 404 error when trying to find me
[17:31] <aveilleux> thewrath: Have you checked your security settings? Re-set your custom URL? Contacted Facebook support?
[17:31] <thewrath> second yes the first no
[17:31] <thewrath> where do I change my custom URL
[17:32] <stlsaint> aveilleux: i dont like the button changes, nor do i like the new way they post everything that you post on other peoples pages
[17:32] <aveilleux> thewrath: http://apps.facebook.com/personalurl/
[17:32] <stlsaint> aveilleux: granted i have nothing personal that i post on facebook but its no one else's business of what i post on another persons page
[17:33] <aveilleux> stlsaint: I disagree with that system as well. I've never liked the fact that it posts your commenting activity as an update; I delete all of those stupid messages.
[17:33] <thewrath> aveilleux, watch this not work
[17:33] <aveilleux> stlsaint: What button changes?
[17:34] <thewrath> aveilleux, give it a while and it will give me the page
[17:34] <stlsaint> aveilleux: how they made the status button so you have to hit it before you can post anything
[17:34] <stlsaint> and they moved the message button from the left of the page to the right in the "Send message" button
[17:35] <stlsaint> and i dont think i have the "new profile" since everytime i hit the home button i get a showing of "Get the new profile" message
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: That's really a decision made to make it easier to post URLs in status updates without posting links, etc. It made my browser lag to hell when I posted a URL that I didn't want to be a Link
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: Then... get it?
[17:35] <aveilleux> stlsaint: It's actually pretty nifty
[17:37] <stlsaint> meh
[17:37] <stlsaint> bah, all this facebook talk
[17:38] <stlsaint> i have facebook for its network abilities to contacts and family/friends, it is not a lifestyle for me as it is for others
[17:39] <aveilleux> Neither is it for me.
[17:43]  * stlsaint is going to go kill zombies
[18:07] <seidos> hi all.  question:  how does one take a screenshot in tuxtype?  i tried prtsc and it didn't work
[18:12] <aveilleux> seidos: You are referring to, when TuxType is in full screen mode?
[18:13] <seidos> aveilleux, yeah, i didn't realize there was a non full-screen mode.  when i start it up, it's full screen
[18:13] <seidos> alt-enter?
[18:14] <seidos> no, that doesn't change it to screened mode.  i don't see an option for viewing in a window
[18:14] <aveilleux> seidos: Linux doesn't handle video modechanges very well; I don't know the hotkey for changing that. You may need to edit the configuration file manually (in your home dir somewhere, I don't know the name of the specific directory)
[18:14] <aveilleux> seidos: Open your home directory and hit Ctrl+H. Look for something like ".tuxtyping"
[18:15] <seidos> aveilleux, so, solution is to run it in none full screen mode and get a screen shot that way?
[18:16] <aveilleux> seidos: It's the easiest solution, certainly. I believe the Ctrl+PrintSrc might be an automatic capture to your Desktop though.
[18:17] <aveilleux> I can't test it since I'm using a Mac wireless keyboard, and they don't have a PrintScr key.
[18:17] <seidos> aveilleux, i'll try both
[18:18] <seidos> yeah ctrl-prtsc didn't work, but windowed mode worked
[18:19] <seidos> it's just weird that the app kind of takes over gnome/xorg
[18:19] <seidos> i wonder if alt-f4 will close it
[18:19] <seidos> nope
[18:19] <seidos> it must not be a gtk app, okay, thanks for the help aveilleux
[18:38] <Red__> hey.
[18:38] <akshatj> hi
[18:39] <akshatj> Red__, do you need any help?
[18:39] <Red__> im having trouble connecting Ubuntu to a 2Wired network.
[18:40] <Red__> im putting in the code and it accepts it, but then the little signal bar symbol at the top spins for a while and it eventuallly saidd you are offline. the singal is strong though. im using it now in win7.
[18:41] <akshatj> Red__, wired or wireless?
[18:41]  * akshatj confused
[18:42] <Red__> wireless.
[18:42] <akshatj> Red__, try using Wicd
[18:42] <Red__> wicd?
[18:43] <akshatj> Red__, you can find it in the software centre
[18:43] <Red__> what is it?
[18:43] <akshatj> Red__, it is a replacement for the network manager
[18:44] <Red__> ok thx. will it still work with my old networks?
[18:44] <akshatj> Red__, it works for Wired and Wireless networks only
[18:46] <Red__> ok. why does the wireless manager need to be replaced? (sorry for all the questions. i just like to know what im doing before i do it)
[18:48] <Red__> akshatj
[18:51] <akshatj> Red__, I have heard Wicd works better for Wireless connections
[18:52] <Red__> ok thx.
[18:52]  * akshatj uses pppoeconf himself
[18:54] <Red__> akshatj whats the difference?
[18:54] <akshatj> Red__, between what?
[18:55] <Red__> pppoeconf and wicd
[18:55] <akshatj> Red__, pppoeconf is for DSL connections
[18:56] <Red__> oh wait. i can't connect to the network so i can't download wicd/
[18:56] <Red__> .*
[18:57] <Red__> akshatj 9sorry for all the separate pings. not used to using them(
[18:57] <Red__> ()*
[19:00] <akshatj> Red__, are you using 10.10?
[19:00] <Red__> yes.
[19:00] <Red__> akshatj
[19:01] <akshatj> Red__, http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-gtk/download and http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/wicd-daemon
[19:02] <akshatj> whoops
[19:02] <akshatj> http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-daemon/download and http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/all/wicd-gtk/download
[19:03] <Red__> ....what is that?
[19:03] <akshatj> Red__, download the two packages and install them
[19:04] <Red__> i can't do that from ubuntu though.
[19:05] <Red__> akshatj, how am i supposed to do that through windows?
[19:06] <akshatj> Red__,just choose any mirror to download :/
[19:08] <Red__> and the mirror will let me send stuff to the Ubuntu partition?
[19:08] <Red__> akshatj
[19:09] <akshatj> Red__, you can save the .deb files somewhere in Windows and then browse to them through Ubuntu
[19:11] <Red__> kk gtg.
[19:48] <Red__> hey.
[19:49] <akshatj> Red__, did it work?
[19:49] <Red__> im on a different network.
[19:50] <akshatj> on Ubuntu?
[19:50] <Red__> yah. im in a diffrent place.
[19:50] <akshatj> Red__, what are you waiting for then?
[19:50] <Red__> ok ill get it then.
[19:51] <akshatj> fire up software centre and install wicd
[19:53] <Red__> k its installing.
[19:53] <Red__> what the net-dev group it wants me to join?
[19:53] <Red__> NVM
[19:55] <Red__> so ive just been asking a bunch of people the, but what do you spend most of youre time doing in Linux akshatj?
[19:55] <akshatj> random stuff
[19:56] <Red__> ok. but like what in linux that you can't do in windows/
[19:56] <Red__> ?*
[19:57] <akshatj> you can't take a look at what's inside and makes things work
[19:58] <Red__> oh ok.
[20:01] <Red__> hey i gtg again sorry.
[20:49] <nit-wit> hajour, how are you
[20:49] <nit-wit> holstein, and your little dog to, "the wicked witch of the west"
[20:56] <Roydaman2> is there a way to upgrade or update Gparted to format to HFS+??
[21:01] <_schism_> good afternoon all
[21:03] <ShootEmUp> Red_, you here?
[21:03] <_schism_> can someone recomend a simple email server for ubuntu?  Just looking for somethng simple I can put squirrelmail on top of for the kids to play with here at the house and I cant figgure out which one is better for me to do so on google
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> Roydaman2: have a look at the project homepage, they might have a download that is newer than the one in repos
[21:09] <kristian-aalborg> but check if it does what you want first, of course
[21:12] <Roydaman2> kristian i found this http://partedmagic.com/doku.php
[21:14] <Roydaman2> kristian which has an updated Gparted but when i try to sudo apt-get update it tells me there are no updates
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> you need to add it to your sources.list, I think
[21:22] <kristian-aalborg> http://partedmagic.com/doku.php?id=downloads
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> ah, it's an iso
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> so you dl and burn it to a cd
[21:23] <kristian-aalborg> please note that I have zero experience with this program
[21:23] <Roydaman2> yea sry i didnt read the whole thing then i did and went looking for a blank cd
[21:24] <Roydaman2> i have some with gparted on linux machines all i need is a 50 gig partyition to install MAC OS X onto
[21:24] <Roydaman2> i been workin on this for 2 1/2 days now haha
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> it can get hairy :)
[21:27] <kristian-aalborg> remember backup
[21:29] <Roydaman2> always well actually its a blank drive already i formatted it before i took it out of my other PC
[21:35] <Elise001> Hi, wifi not detected when I run Ubuntu Netbook on Compaq portable. Wifi detected and usuable when I run Windows Vista on same machine. How can I fix this?
[21:40] <ikt> hi Elise001, unlucky with your wifi woes :(
[21:40] <ikt> I'm trying to fine the page that might be able to help
[21:41] <ikt> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/internet/C/troubleshooting-wireless.html
[21:42] <Elise001> modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/..... It goes on. Trying to take screen shot with cel phone camera.
[21:45] <ikt> o_O? Are you trying to install a wireless driver?
[21:47] <Elise001> It says /lib/modules/2.6.35-22-generic/modules.dep No such file or directory.  Twice.
[21:48] <Elise001> I have not tried to install a wireless driver yet. I might need help with that, please.
[21:48] <ikt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/642421
[21:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 642421 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Maverick could not load /lib/modules/2.6.35-22-generic/modules.dep (affects: 230) (dups: 3) (heat: 1116)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:49] <ikt> that is a massive bug
[21:49] <Elise001> Thank you. I will look at that webpage on my Samsung netbook running Windows Vista.
[21:49] <Elise001> I will stay connected to #ubuntu-beginners.
[21:50] <ikt> what type of compaq laptop do you have?
[21:50] <Elise001> Looking. I got it for cheap recently.
[21:51] <ikt> tbh I thought compaq went out of business years ago
[21:51] <ikt> compaq seems to be hp now
[21:52] <Elise001> On the bottem it says Model P/N: AT8-C2(C Test) 1AT8B5UTP20
[21:53] <Elise001> It also says CPU: AMD Turion TM 64 Mobile TL-50 (1.6 GHz, 512KB L2
[21:54] <Elise001> I paid $150 and the $ went to a school. Good deed. I'd like to run Ubuntu on it.
[21:54] <ikt> hrm, can't find that model
[21:55] <ikt> if you run in terminal: sudo lshw -C network
[21:55] <Elise001> It says other stuff on label on bottom, like Wireless: 802.11bg (Huskers), it that is any help.
[21:56] <Elise001> By terminal, do you mean command line? I can sign in.
[21:56] <ikt> yep
[21:56] <Elise001> And it came " as is" with no documentation or CD's.
[21:57] <ikt> the huskers doesn't mean anything :(
[21:57] <ikt> 802.11bg is the type of wireless it can connect to
[21:57] <ikt> 802.11bg is fairly normal
[21:57] <Elise001> I will sign in. I mean log in.
[21:58] <Elise001> There is a small switch on the front. I havbe it in the position that works for Windows Vista. Blue light instead of orange.
[21:59] <Elise001> How do I get to terminal via drop down menu, please?
[22:00] <ikt> Applications > Accessories >
[22:00] <Elise001> I see. Accesseries, then Terminal.
[22:00] <ikt> yep :)
[22:02] <Elise001> I typed in "sudo lshw -C network" and then keyed in my password.
[22:03] <Elise001> The system printed a bunch of info, starting with description: Network controller.
[22:03] <Elise001> What do you want to know?
[22:03] <ikt> the product
[22:03] <aveilleux> Elise001: Pastebin it.
[22:04] <ikt> or do that
[22:04] <ikt> yeah
[22:04] <aveilleux> !pastebin | Elise001
[22:04] <ubot2> Elise001: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[22:04] <ikt> pastebin, I forgot about that
[22:04] <Elise001> *-network; dsecription: Network controller; product:
[22:06] <Elise001> product: BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN; vendor: Brodacom Corp.; physical id:0
[22:07] <Elise001> Do I type "/pastebin?
[22:08] <ikt>  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:08] <Elise001> Any other info you need?
[22:08] <ikt> yeah if you can copy it all
[22:09] <ikt> that makes it easier
[22:09] <aveilleux> Elise001: Having trouble installing wireless?
[22:09] <ikt> yeah pretty much
[22:09] <ikt> i'm just trying to get what wireless chipset they have
[22:09] <aveilleux> Elise001: If you have a hardwire connection, you can just go to System > Administration > Additional Drivers and install the Broadcom STA driver
[22:10] <Elise001> I went to //paste.ubuntu.com on my working computer.
[22:10] <aveilleux> Elise001: Can you get a hardwire connection to the laptop in question?
[22:10] <aveilleux> Elise001: As in, ethernet cable
[22:10] <aveilleux> ....why does Xchat think that "ethernet" is not a word
[22:10] <Elise001> Yes.
[22:10] <ikt> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10293481 <- aveilleux
[22:11] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then do what I mentioned above, and it should work
[22:11] <aveilleux> Oh.
[22:11] <Elise001> I use that yellow cable when I visit my friends who do not have wifi.
[22:11] <aveilleux> OH. God not one of those stupid switches.
[22:12] <Elise001> Hardware swithches?
[22:12] <Elise001> Getting the cable now.
[22:12] <aveilleux> I have no issue with hardware switches: I take issue with toggle switches.
[22:12] <aveilleux> As in, not an ON/OFF slider... a spring-loaded switch that you tab to turn something on or off
[22:13] <ikt> yeah
[22:13] <aveilleux> My laptop as an ON/OFF slider and it's great
[22:14] <ikt> ohh
[22:14] <ikt> the ones where you slide it to the right and it flicks back/
[22:14] <aveilleux> Yeah
[22:14] <aveilleux> I hate those
[22:16] <ikt> :<
[22:16] <aveilleux> They usually depend on hardware/software interaction, and if the hardware's off when the software thinks it's on, then flicking the switch will just shut the software off and turn the hardware on.
[22:17] <aveilleux> It's more common than you might think.
[22:18] <Elise001> Using Ethernet cable, Firefox works. I am able to read my GmAIL. Thank you for a partial solution.
[22:19] <ikt> yeah my acer had it, was a nightmare, only netbook I've had where I had to manually right click on the wireless icon > turn wireless on, every single time I logged in
[22:19] <ikt> Elise001, if you go System > Admin > Hardware drivers
[22:19] <ikt> is there anything listed?
[22:20] <ikt> addtional drivers*
[22:20] <Elise001> It would still be nice to use wireless with the Compaq when running Ubuntu. I really like Ubuntu. I'll tell you why briefly later, if you like.
[22:20] <aveilleux> Elise001: You can install the wireless drivers using the Additional Drivers utility, then you won't need a cable.
[22:21] <Elise001> Moved the Samsung next to Compaq. I'll look.
[22:22] <Elise001> Going to system->admin->additional drivers
[22:23] <ikt> yep
[22:23] <Elise001> The system is downloading and updating packages indexes, it says that.
[22:23] <aveilleux> That's good.
[22:24] <Elise001> It says that No proprietary drivers are in use on this system.
[22:24] <aveilleux> Ack, that's not good.
[22:24] <Elise001> I think it finished.
[22:24] <Elise001> I'll close the white window that said that.
[22:25] <Elise001> Actually, I clicked on Help in the window. Let's see what that does.
[22:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, I think you need to activate the Universe repositories.
[22:26] <aveilleux> Elise001: Go to System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager
[22:26] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then go to Settings > Repositories
[22:26] <Elise001> A window popped up saying it wants to install updates. I'll let it.
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: May as well, but do this afterward (ignore a reboot if it needs one)
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: Check all the boxes on the first tab except "Source code", and hit Close. Hit Reload.
[22:27] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then you should have the Universe repositories available.
[22:30] <Elise001> I did that. Thanks.
[22:31] <Elise001> It still says No package is selected in the Synaptic Package Manager box. Should I restart?
[22:31] <aveilleux> Elise001: The updates ran? Then yes
[22:33] <Elise001> Unplugging Ethernet cable too so can test wifi connection.
[22:33] <Elise001> Starting.
[22:34] <Elise001> Selecting Ubuntu
[22:34] <aveilleux> Elise001: Er, if you didn't install the driver then it won't work. The driver won't be included as a part of the normal updates.
[22:34] <Elise001> Still get that Could Not Load msg twice.
[22:35] <Elise001> Typing in my password. Ubuntu music played.
[22:35] <Elise001> Now will try to run Firefox.
[22:36] <Elise001> Server not found. Drats. No wireless detected.
[22:37] <Elise001> Auto etho connection established when I plug back in Ethernet cable.
[22:38] <Elise001> Starting update mgr.
[22:39] <Elise001> Applying changes.
[22:40] <Elise001> This could take a few minutes. Thanks for your patience.
[22:42] <Elise001> By the way, I'd like to learn enough about Ubuntu so I could help others like you are doing.
[22:42] <Elise001> I do have a technical background and I am a ham, KI6PUO.
[22:43] <Elise001> And I am studying Perl with the new Civil Hackers School of SF now.
[22:44] <Elise001> I used to program for a living. I stopped but I am getting back into it.
[22:48] <Elise001> Downloaded 164MB of 217MB at 218 kB/s
[22:50] <Elise001> 200MB
[22:54] <Elise001> The screen just went crazy.
[22:56] <Elise001> Had to remove battery and put back in. Restarting Ubuntu.
[22:57] <Elise001> Ubuntu music played.
[22:58] <Elise001> This time it wants to do partial upgrade. I'm doing that.
[22:59] <Elise001> Not all msgs look good.
[23:01] <Elise001> 4 new packages are going to be installed. 180 packages are going to be upgraded. Could take several hours.
[23:01] <aveilleux> Elise001: That's the only problem with a new Ubuntu system -- lots of updates.
[23:02] <Elise001> I remember from my Toshiba that died.
[23:02] <Elise001> Now it says 3 minutes remaining. I hope so.
[23:08] <Elise001> Setting up software-center (3.0.7)
[23:10] <Elise001> Restarting system as recomended.
[23:11] <Elise001> Still get those Could not load msgs.
[23:11] <Elise001> Got the music.
[23:12] <Elise001> Update mgr says no updates to install.
[23:22] <Elise001> Still no wifi. Any suggestions towards getting wifi to work, please?
[23:23] <Elise001> Interesting. Wifi working. But wifi on top says not.
[23:23] <Elise001> Firefox lets me read my Gmail after I unplugged Ethernet cable.
[23:23] <aveilleux> Elise001: Does it say "Not managed"?
[23:24] <Elise001> Firefox stopped working again.
[23:24] <aveilleux> Elise001: That's a really common bug. Open up Terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) and type: gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf #(caps is important)
[23:25] <Elise001> No caps?
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Once the text editor opens up, change the line down at the bottom that says "managed=false" to "managed=true" (without the quotes)
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: No, you must include the caps I typed.
[23:25] <aveilleux> Elise001: Linux is case-sensitive.
[23:29] <Elise001> Did that. Thanks.
[23:30] <Elise001> Restarting Firefox.
[23:30] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then in order for network-manager to handle your wireless, you'll need to log out and log back in. I don't know if that's still the case, though... it's been a while
[23:31] <Elise001> No wifi. So restarting computer.
[23:32] <Elise001> Same Fatal Could Not Load msgs. But they do not appear to be fatal after all.
[23:33] <Elise001> I got a msg about battery could be old or broken. 1.1%.
[23:34] <Elise001> Starting Firefox.
[23:34] <stlsaint> Elise001: yea mine is at 19.7% :D
[23:34] <Elise001> Unchecking Work offline.
[23:35] <Elise001> Can't find www.google.com.
[23:35] <aveilleux> Elise001: Are you connected in the corner of the screen? Ubuntu won't automatically connect you to the nearest wifi.
[23:35] <Elise001> Oh well.
[23:36] <Elise001> Up the top when I put curser over wifi symbol, it says No Network Connection.
[23:36] <aveilleux> Elise001: Then... click on it and select a network.
[23:36] <stlsaint> aveilleux: if you have connected to the wireless network before than yea it will automatically connect on startup
[23:36] <aveilleux> stlsaint: But we just got the wireless drivers working.
[23:36] <stlsaint> roger dodger
[23:36] <Elise001> When I click on the wifi symbol, it only highlights VPN Connections.
[23:37] <aveilleux> wait, Elise001, did you go back and install the broadcom driver in Additional Drivers?
[23:37] <Elise001> I think I did not. Sorry, but how do I do that again?
[23:38] <Elise001> Going to system-> additional drivers now.
[23:38] <aveilleux> Elise001: Here's an easier way. Open Terminal again. run "sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source" (without the quotes). that way, even if the app doesn't detect it, the drivers will be installed anyway.
[23:38] <Elise001> It says No proprietary drivers are in use on this system. I will read rest of box.
[23:40] <aveilleux> Elise001: Does your laptop have a hardware switch for turning the wireless on and off?
[23:40] <Elise001> Looks like there are 2 Nividea drivers and 2 Broadcom drivers I can install.
[23:41] <Elise001> Yes to switch. And it is turned on.
[23:41] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, yeah. Go and install the latest nvidia (highest number) and both of the broadcom (I assume STA and firmware kernel)
[23:41] <Red__> hey.
[23:42] <Elise001> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/..... It goes on. I think I need to reattach Ethernet cable. Will do so.
[23:42] <aveilleux> Elise001: Oh, yeah, you'll need that.
[23:43] <Red__> is there a way to transfer book marks from EI in windows to FF in Linux?
[23:43] <Elise001> White box frozen. Have to restart.
[23:44] <aveilleux> Red__: Not effectively. You can transfer them from IE to FF in Windows, then copy the profile from Windows to Linuz
[23:44] <aveilleux> Linux*
[23:44] <aveilleux> s/effectively/directly
[23:45] <Red__> thanks. hey nit-wit.
[23:47] <nit-wit> Red__, hey I saw you on earlier you get everything going
[23:48] <Red__> oh yah. I love it. can't wait to really get in. got compiz installed. amazing
[23:49] <Red__> what im looking for now is a good article on basic line comands for the terminal.
[23:50] <nit-wit> Red__, here is a good starter download of a pdf probably. http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
[23:51] <Red__> yah i have that in my bookmarks. which i mistakenly left in IE on the windows side.....
[23:54] <Elise001> I am doing the sudo.
[23:55] <Elise001> It ran. Will restart.
[23:57] <nit-wit> Red__, I haven't read it I learned what I know by trial and error and hanging out at the Ubuntu forums and watching how things go. I have a lot of free time though so t has been a fun learning experience.
[23:58] <Red__> yah. well my winter break is almost over and then hello mid-term exams. anyways, ill probably look up an article in a minute. but once i go into windows and put the EI bookmarks in FF, how do i transfer them to FF in linux?


[16:00] <juliank> o/
[16:01] <ginggs> o/
[16:01] <ogra> yoga class starting ?
[16:01] <waveform> \o/
[16:01] <juliank> /o/
[16:01] <juliank> \o\
[16:01] <enr0n> o/
[16:01] <ravikant_> o/
[16:01] <juliank>  /o\
[16:01] <juliank> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[16:01] <juliank> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:01] <adrien> \o
[16:01] <schopin> o/
[16:01] <zhsj> o/
[16:01] <dviererbe> o/
[16:02] <juliank> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-14-december-2023/
[16:02] <juliank> 8 minutes left to -write- read
[16:04] <Skia> o/
[16:07] <upils> o/
[16:07] <schopin> dviererbe: browsing through the sphinx starter kit issue, looks like what you guys need to express levels of coupling matching with Depends, Recommends and Suggests in Debian packaging :)
[16:08] <juliank> I also (re) discovered ruff and am wondering if I should switch my autoflake/black/pyupgrade/isort workflow to that instead. So much faster.
[16:08] <dviererbe> schopin: Haven't thought of that
[16:08] <juliank> Slight formatting differences vs black but not a lot
[16:09] <dviererbe> would still be a pain to make sure that the enhancements are working with ancient/non-existing versions
[16:09] <bdmurray> cpete: what about python-secretstorage?
[16:09] <schopin> dviererbe: sure, but at least it would make your life easier, since package builds ignore Recommends :)
[16:10] <schopin> So you could actually *package* the starter kit, which sounds like a good idea to me.
[16:10] <cpete> bdmurray: Sorry my report got botched editing it. Working on fixing vorta's autopkgtests so python-secretstorage can get out of proposed-migrations
[16:10] <juliank> Oh we can extend reading time by 5 minutes
[16:11] <juliank> We only have 1 bug to discuss and there isn't much point doing proposed-migration today
[16:11] <bdmurray> That's a defeatist attitude
[16:11] <juliank> heh
[16:11] <ravikant_> schopin: "would have uploaded it but it now FTBFSes" How can I help?
[16:12] <schopin> I wanna say "fix it"
[16:12] <schopin> More seriously I think it's linked to the new build flags, so maybe ask doko about it?
[16:13] <ravikant_> where can I see the logs?
[16:13] <dviererbe> schopin: true, I just think that we do not need some of the dependencies for a package, as you do not need a link preview or redirects locally. This is only interesting for ReadTheDocs, but your bring me to an interesting Idea to also upstream our  packaging templates into the starter pack, so other doumentation projects could reuse it
[16:13] <schopin> ravikant_: it was a local build, I should probably try in a PPA to make sure, you're right.
[16:14] <schopin> too many irons in the fire at the moment, hard to follow through :/
[16:14] <dviererbe> :D
[16:15] <schopin> liushuyu: re the versioned package, could you make sure I have everything available by your EOD so that I can review and upload it tomorrow?
[16:15] <ravikant_> schopin: There is a ppa link in the MR. I'll update it.
[16:15] <juliank> everyone happy?
[16:16] <juliank> #topic Release incoming bugs
[16:16] <juliank> #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-nn-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <juliank> We only care about bug 2046356
[16:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2046356 in base-files (Ubuntu Noble) "Update URL for Support information in MOTD message" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2046356
[16:16] <juliank> We can do that, I don't know if the pro team wanted to upload it themselves, but either way it's trivial
[16:17] <enr0n> I tagged because I thought they were asking for us to do it, but that would be good to clarify
[16:18] <bdmurray> They asked in some MM channel about who maintains the package
[16:18] <bdmurray> As if it were a specific developer
[16:18] <schopin> Implying we should do it, I guess.
[16:19] <juliank> We can do it I guess we have more uploaders
[16:19] <juliank> :D
[16:19] <schopin> Seems simple enough, too. (famous last words)
[16:20] <juliank> cpaelzer: do let us know if updating base-files url from advantage to pro was something pro people wanted to do (maybe sponsoring record or whatever)
[16:20] <juliank> I also pinged Lucas on MM fwiw
[16:20] <juliank> So rls-mm-incoming only has the two bugs for desktop and the rest is empty
[16:21] <juliank> proposed-migration we'll skip, if you have spare cycles go pick yourself a random one
[16:21] <juliank> but with 1-2 days left it doesn't make much sense
[16:21] <juliank> (to assign)
[16:21] <juliank> #topic AOB
[16:21] <dbungert> 2 weeks ago python3-defaults was mentioned, what's happening there?
[16:22] <juliank> Debian is doing the transition too and we let the fixes roll in more or less
[16:22] <schopin> I think it has kept ginggs busy
[16:22] <juliank> I think just retrying that after the break may be useful
[16:22] <juliank> or mid-break if anyone is at a machine :D
[16:23] <ginggs> feel free to look at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:23] <ginggs> you should have no trouble finding sponsors for uploads to debian
[16:24] <cpete> is the process similar in debian?
[16:24] <cpaelzer> thank you juliank, I sayid to Lucas he should prep the upload as training simple packaging. If it is foundations or server core-devs then review&sponsors I do not mind. Expect noble soon but SRUs of the same only next year
[16:24] <cpete> for sponsorship I mean
[16:25] <schopin> cpete: not really, but we have several people in Foundations that are part of the Python team that can sponsor for you.
[16:25] <ginggs> probably best to ask in # debian-python on OFTC
[16:25] <cpete> ack, thanks schopin and ginggs
[16:25] <juliank> cpaelzer: ack
[16:26] <ginggs> or mail debian-python @ lists.debian.org
[16:27] <ginggs> debian don't really have a thing like our sponsor queue
[16:27] <schopin> Are mentors.debian.net and RFS emails not a thing anymore?
[16:28]  * schopin does *not* miss that process.
[16:28] <ginggs> they still are
[16:29] <ginggs> but you're likely to get a quicker response from the python team
[16:29] <juliank> I'd say ping me, but I'd be surprised if I were in debina-python team
[16:29] <juliank> :D
[16:30] <juliank> I also was in the GNOME team at some point
[16:32] <bdmurray> aob?
[16:34] <bdmurray> juliank: ?
[16:34] <juliank> #endmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:34:48 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-12-14-16.01.moin.txt