[00:00] <Bashing-om> kinghat: ' sudo dmidecode -t memory ; sudo lshw -c memory ' .
[00:06] <kinghat> thanks Bashing-om, would that say if its ECC?
[00:08] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Bad memory .. but I think dmidecode will tell.
[00:13] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Yup "Error Correcting Capabilities:" .
[00:17] <kinghat> sorry was afk for a min yup i see her. tyvm
[01:30] <Sysifoss> Hiello, I have this problem where if I startup my computer and dont log in imediately the screen will go dormant and not come back up.
[01:31] <Sysifoss> i can logout and let the screen go dormant and its fine. it only seems to happen on initial startup
[01:31] <Sysifoss> thanks inadvance!
[02:30] <towser> help, I tried to install chromium os from withing terminal and  the disk got full to the fetch failed but I can't find where the files are to delete them
[02:31] <EriC^^> towser: "sudo apt-get clean"
[02:32] <aneon> hi, how to disable auto enable & autostart of applications post install?
[02:32] <EriC^^> towser: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge     can help clean up some space
[02:32] <aneon> I don't want any program autoenabled after install
[02:32] <OerHeks> aneon, i think not, as it is by design?
[02:32] <towser> freed up no space at all
[02:33] <aneon> OerHeks:  Okay, I don't understand logic behind autostarting applications during install
[02:34] <OerHeks> tons of discussions about that, redhat and forks do it differently.
[02:34] <aneon> Yeah, I like that
[02:35] <aneon> I've eye irritation for certain colors and the dialog box that comes up post install annoys me
[02:36] <towser> I think there's some files left over but idk where they went
[02:43] <towser> because the disk is still very full after the fetch command
[02:52] <EriC^^> towser: type "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999"
[02:53] <towser> EriC^^,  that gave me a website
[02:58] <towser> EriC^^, with disk stuff on it
[03:01] <aneon> try bleachbit and remove unnecessary languages & stuff
[03:01] <aneon> it will give you about 2GB, not sure whether that much works for you though
[03:05] <towser> aneon, humm not much space freed up ther only a few mb
[03:05] <aneon> run as root
[03:06] <aneon> dont use memory cleaning and wiping free space, takes a long time
[03:10] <towser> aneon,  nope it's still full
[03:10] <sloshy> in bionic, is there a way to enable the orange overlay scrollbars in gtk2 apps
[03:11] <aneon> du -h -d 1 /<path>
[03:12] <aneon> towser: what your df -h looks like?
[03:13] <towser> https://termbin.com/y6ad
[03:13] <towser> that was it like 5 minutes ago I think
[03:15] <towser> aneon, ^
[03:15] <aneon> check du -h -d 1 /
[03:15] <aneon> and delete unnecessary stuff
[03:16] <sloshy> i almost feel like im a mirage in this channel
[03:17] <towser> oh aneon theres somethign just showing as . idk what it si
[03:17] <towser> is*
[03:18] <aneon> you can increase the depth by 2 or 3
[03:19] <aneon> 10GB / is too small anyway
[03:23] <towser> aneon,  yes I know but I don't think I can grow tat
[03:27] <EriC^^> why not?
[03:27] <aneon> if there is a space on disk then you can do that
[03:27] <towser> aneon,  without breaking anything?
[03:28] <aneon> boot live cd, use dump, save it on other media, redo the partitions
[03:28] <aneon> yes
[03:28] <aneon> restore from dump
[03:28] <EriC^^> you can resize without a live usb
[03:29] <EriC^^> ext4 supports live enlarging
[03:29] <aneon> when there is empty space on disk
[03:30] <EriC^^> towser: what does the partition table look like? type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[03:34] <towser> there are two hard drives. one is ubuntu and extra stuff and the other is windows 10
[03:34] <towser> https://termbin.com/lq7u
[03:36] <cappicard> hi.
[03:36] <cappicard> hello
[03:59] <Biessie> how does 18.04 compare to 19.04?
[04:00] <Biessie> can i upgrade from 18.04.2 LTS to 19.04?
[04:07] <guiverc> Biessie, the only tested and supported path is via 18.04 -> 18.10 then 18.10 -> 19.04   You can however re-install to jump to 19.04 (use something else & no format, it'll note your added apps, wipe system dirs, install, add back your added apps without touching user files if you didn't have format selected)
[04:07] <Biessie> roger that
[04:09] <guiverc> 18.04 LTS will be able to skip to next LTS (ie. 20.04 LTS), but that's awhile away..
[04:11] <Biessie> im following this
[04:11] <Biessie> hopefully it works. https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-18-10-to-ubuntu-19-04
[04:11] <guiverc> Biessie, compare: i prefer later releases most changes are minor (note: i rarely use gnome though); but that'd be more a non-support question I suspect (ie. better suited to -discuss or -offtopic)
[04:12] <Biessie> ?
[04:12] <Biessie> i was just asking about ubuntu directly
[04:19] <guiverc> LTS releases tend to be very conservative (few to no risks due to 5 years of support); 19.04 being a year packages  (generally only security fixes are backported to older supported releases, not newer software)
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[05:43] <cfhowlett> yowza ^3 lotuspsychje
[05:47] <interlink> o.o
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> can we help you interlink
[05:47] <interlink> nah not really
[06:20] <nils_> is there a way to ignore the postinst script for a certain package in apt-get? Let's say I'm installing some sort of database (think MySQL, postgres, MongoDB), normally the postinst step would initialize some of the data structures with default settings. I would like to initiate them in my automation myself instead with different parameters.
[06:26] <pm23> how can i download any video from any website in chrome or firefox? Video downloader extension is not doing the job
[06:28] <mouses> pm23: there's no 'from any website' - there's a ton of different ways to stream video via the web
[06:28] <mouses> pm23: youtube-dl is super useful for a lot of things
[06:30] <CyberFingers> Trying to setup netplan to use ip6 but don't know the gateway is there a method to find the gateway? thx
[06:32] <pm23> oh well i try
[06:33] <pm23> apart from it...I installed "HP Laser Jet M1005 MFP" and the printer is working well...means I had installed 'hplip' from ubuntu software center but the scanner in it is to be installed in what way as it is not working?
[06:33] <blackflow> nils_: you can always predefine config files before you install, dpkg won't overwrite them unless you force it to
[06:33] <blackflow> otherwise add to your automation a step to remove default install and reinit the db.
[06:36] <mouses> pm23: no idea, have not used a printer or scanner in a long time
[06:38] <nils_> blackflow, yeah that's probably easier.
[06:43] <pm23> ok
[06:43] <pm23> anyone else?
[06:50] <nils_> CyberFingers, without dhcp?
[06:52] <CyberFingers> hi nils_ I am using virtual systems
[06:52] <CyberFingers> Citrix is using IP6 and I can find the IP address but not sure about gateway?
[06:53] <eraserpencil> is there any benefit to using firefox as a snap as opposed to using as is from the repo? I get thatas a snap, it's in a container which gives it etra security but is it actually useful?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: the users choice, different versions
[06:55] <CoolerZ> can someone fix bluetooth already? this is super annoying
[06:55] <CyberFingers> Another issues I just noticed is database only seems to be connecting with IPV4 IP Address and not IPV6 IP Address, so I'm not sure even if I figure out the correct gateway if database will connect?
[06:55] <CoolerZ> everytime i close the laptop lid bluetooth turns off and there is no way to turn it back on without closing and reopening the lid again
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> !bug | CoolerZ
[06:56] <CoolerZ> happens if you put it to sleep as well
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: did you update your bios to latest?
[06:56] <CoolerZ> lotuspsychje, yeah well there are hundreds of threads on this already if you search google and it still hasn't been fixed
[06:56] <eraserpencil> thanks lotuspsychje
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: im not talking about threads, but a specific bug for your system
[06:58] <CoolerZ> it is not specific
[06:58] <nils_> CyberFingers, that sounds a bit more complicated ;) I don't know about Citrix, at home my IPv6 works via DHCP, for my servers they use fe80::1 which works automagically on some networks.
[06:58] <CoolerZ> as evidenced by the multitude of people having the same problems
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> CoolerZ: did you find another bug relevant to your issue, then please paste the bug # here, and affect yourself to the bug
[07:05] <qwebirc39531> hi
[07:06] <qwebirc39531> anyone here?
[07:06] <cfhowlett> only 1500 or so
[07:06] <interlink> qwebirc39531 yes
[07:06] <cfhowlett> It's a support channel.  you ask a support question, you get a support answer
[07:23] <monojamoon|> trying to update my Ethernet drivers. How do I check which version of e1000e is already installed?
[07:24] <monojamoon|> lspci -nnk | grep net -A2 gives this output: https://pastebin.com/9ghx7ee8
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: ubuntu chooses the best driver for your hardware normally
[07:24] <monojamoon|> ok
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: do you encounter issues with your network?
[07:25] <monojamoon|> actually I was having trouble connecting to my college LAN. asked the operator about it and he instructed me to update LAN drivers.
[07:25] <monojamoon|> I am currently running Ubuntu 19.04
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: can you elaborate on connecting trouble?
[07:27] <monojamoon|> My university network uses 802.1x security and PEAP as authentication.
[07:28] <monojamoon|> LAN connection is always successful
[07:28] <monojamoon|> however after the connection is completed, I get a chrome pop-up to authenticate
[07:28] <monojamoon|> that popup fails to load and times out
[07:29] <monojamoon|> this doesn't happen on my personal laptop... the authentication page loads in a flash
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: wifi and ethernet are 2 different things
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: does your lan work or not?
[07:30] <monojamoon|> it does
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> case solved?
[07:30] <monojamoon|> :)
[07:30] <monojamoon|> seems like it
[07:31] <monojamoon|> but is there any way to actually check which version of the driver is installed, that was the original question
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> monojamoon|: i check mostly with sudo lshw -C network
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> driver=...
[07:34] <monojamoon|> wow ... thanks :)
[07:35] <monojamoon|> driverversion=3.2.6-k
[07:47] <mia> Hey channeşl - I'm currently using ubuntu 18.04 - but I'd like to try the newest gnome so I believe I have to switch to rooling release?
[07:47] <mia> I wanted to know: how often does it break?
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> !mix | mia
[07:47] <mia> is it a good release to pick for a daily driver workstation?
[07:47] <mia> lotuspsychje, I'm not going to mix things
[07:48] <mia> I'll directly update to 19.10
[07:48] <tachikomas> mia: Rolling release dont break more than normal ones.
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> mia: 19.10 is still in development now
[07:48] <mia> tachikomas, hm, so is it safe to be on?
[07:49] <tachikomas> i use one as my daily driver. I had no problem what so ever, but i also know how to fix things so...
[08:00] <blackflow> mia: no, it's still under development.
[08:05] <baako> hi guys, is they anyway to set ubuntu to auto start a program at 10:00AM monday - friday?
[08:18] <ayekat> there is systemd timers, but not sure if there is something ubuntu-specific
[08:18] <ayekat> baako: ^
[08:55] <baako> cheers ayekat
[09:06] <EriC^^> baako: there's also cronjobs
[09:28] <DevAntoine> Hi
[09:28] <DevAntoine> I've got the following mount line:
[09:28] <DevAntoine>  /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/renderer /vagrant/dartagnan-renderer/node_modules/ none x-systemd.requires=/vagrant,defaults,bind 0 0
[09:29] <DevAntoine> See the "x-systemd.requires=/vagrant"?
[09:29] <DevAntoine> The mount is supposed to happened after /vagrant is being mounted, because it's a NFS shared folder.
[09:29] <DevAntoine> But it doesn't work.
[09:29] <DevAntoine> The system is unable to boot because of this mount.
[09:30] <DevAntoine> If I comment this mount, let the VM boot and then do "mount -a" the mount does work.
[09:30] <DevAntoine> Is there a way to wait for the NFS to be mounted before doing my other mount?
[09:35] <Cheez> in systemd you can make one depend on the other
[09:40] <DevAntoine> Cheez: I thought that's what I did with "x-systemd.requires=/vagrant"
[09:40] <blackflow> DevAntoine: yes but you shouldn't use fstab. Fstab is used for generators that produce .mount units. unfortunately, network comes after fs iirc, which breaks your boot as network is required for that NFS which is required to boot which is required for network annnnnnd a loop.
[09:42] <DevAntoine> blackflow: Ah, I see...
[09:42] <DevAntoine> Where those mount units are supposed to be?
[09:43] <DevAntoine> Because I see nothing in /etc/systemd/system
[09:55] <blackflow> DevAntoine: the auto-generated ones (from fstab) are in /run/systemd/
[09:56] <blackflow> you put yours in /etc/systemd/system/ of course
[10:03] <cfhowlett> !ping
[10:04] <DevAntoine> blackflow: find /run/systemd -name "*.mount"
[10:04] <DevAntoine> returns nothing
[10:12] <pax_rhos> hello, who's responsible for launchpad repos?
[10:12] <pax_rhos> Err:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu bionic InRelease  >  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 957D2708A03A4626
[10:13] <pax_rhos> hmm, looks like they just updated the pubkey: http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu/dists/bionic/Release.gpg is dated 16.06.2019
[10:13] <TJ-> pax_rhos: you; you haven't added that key to apt-key's trusted database
[10:13] <ChrisL71> Hi, X is freezing shortly after logging in, Ubuntu 18.04 on a VirtualBox VM
[10:13] <ChrisL71> I can still move the cursor but is otherwise unresponsive, and Ctrl+Alt+F? does not do anything
[10:14] <TJ-> pax_rhos:that key was created in 2009
[10:14] <pax_rhos> TJ-: http://ppa.launchpad.net/oibaf/graphics-drivers/ubuntu/dists/bionic/ Release.gpg2019-06-16 19:37299
[10:14] <TJ-> ChrisL71: that *may* be to do with a VirtualBox issue; I've noticed several similar reports recently from other users
[10:15] <TJ-> pax_rhos: so?
[10:15] <pax_rhos> 2019 != 2009
[10:15] <TJ-> pax_rhos: that is just the detached signatire of the Release file
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> pax_rhos: maybe you can share your actual issue?
[10:16] <TJ-> pax_rhos: as I said, your apt-key trusted db is missing the key
[10:16] <pax_rhos> what file should I add to apt-key then?
[10:16] <TJ-> pax_rhos: did you add this repository manually, or use add-apt-repository tool?
[10:16] <pax_rhos> I don't remember now
[10:17] <ChrisL71> TJ-: I had the same or similar issue on VMWare, might be unrelated
[10:17] <TJ-> pax_rhos:the PPA web page usually shows the "technical" info on commands needed to add the PPA
[10:17] <ChrisL71> Could someone remind me how to mask modules in the kernel init line? I can't seem to search for this
[10:18] <TJ-> ChrisL71: I've seen issues with both recently; and from what I recall its to do with guest additions needing to be updated. BUT ... read the X server log files and others for clues
[10:19] <immy1101> hi
[10:19] <coz_> hey
[10:20] <jeremy31> ChrisL71: modprobe.blacklist=
[10:20] <ChrisL71> Thanks
[10:21] <pax_rhos> `sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers` solved the issue, thanks
[10:24] <immy1101> i have a wifi connection and vpn setup on ubuntu 18.04. i've used nm-connection-editor and set the vpn to automatically connect when using the wireless connection. the wireless connection is set to automatically connect, but when it does automatically connect, it tries to connect several times, but is unable to. the error message in the logs looks like this:
[10:25] <pax_rhos> TJ-: is there a centos-like `needs-restarting -r` that would tell me if I need to reboot after an upgrade?
... failed to request vpn secrets #3: No agents were available for this request
[10:26] <immy1101> if i click on the wl conn in wifi settings, it connects with the vpn within five seconds
[10:26] <TJ-> pax_rhos: yes there's an automatic trigger that reports on both console and GUI if restart is needed
[10:26] <TJ-> pax_rhos: there's a file dropped into /run/ somewhere but cannot recall its name, it includes a list of the packages that requested the restart
[10:28] <pax_rhos> TJ-: I might miss the trigger, as I mostly use CLI and there's sometimes tons of text, I'm guilty of not always reading it entirely, so I was hoping there'd be a similar command.
[10:30] <TJ-> pax_rhos: ahh no, its /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[10:30] <pax_rhos> TJ-: thanks!
[10:30] <TJ-> pax_rhos: I think there's also a touched-ed file /var/run/reboot-required as a flag
[10:36] <ChrisL71> Can anyone tell me how to force Ctrl+Alt+F? to work even if XOrg freezes?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> !ping
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> :p
[10:45] <cfhowlett> I keep getting tossed.
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: did you ask the freenode guys? some other crew also had connect issues yesterday
[10:46] <cfhowlett> ah, so it's not just me.
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> no, seen other reports and netsplit sundays
[10:46] <coz_> cfhowlett, I kept getting kicked with xchat, swithed to hexchat
[10:47] <cfhowlett> coz_, you shouldn't even have xchat as it has been LONG abandoned but I hear you.  https://hexchat.github.io/news/announcement.html
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: it has been picked up again, but still hexchat is advisable
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !xchat
[10:50] <coz_> ^^^
[10:50] <e> cfhowlett: if you got a message about vpn abuse probably you share a range with someone who ran a vpn exit. we don't have a perfect way of dealing with that
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> e: got more info about that range?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> we have some more crew connecting over vpn
[10:52] <cfhowlett> e Yeah the message referenced running a host and abusing VPN.  Neither of which apply to me so I assume it was a freenode level issue.  seems to have resovled itself as I am now allowed to enter again
[10:54] <furycd001> HI. Yesterday I installed virtualbox via synaptic & now I see this >> http://i.imgur.com/158lMyv.png << for all folder permissions. Is this normal ??
[10:55] <ChrisL71> Okay I have got XLATE mode enabled on my freezing Xorg setup (VirtualBox VM), what can I do to troubleshoot now I have a terminal available?
[10:55] <Fuchs> furycd001: did you by accident change your users main group or so?
[10:56] <Fuchs> groups   (as a command) should show that
[10:58] <furycd001> No I just installed virtualbox & a windows 7 virtual machine.
[10:58] <furycd001> groups shows >> vboxusers adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[11:00] <furycd001> what should my users main group be & can I change my user back to it ??
[11:00] <afidegnum> is there a way to turn apparmor to complain mode by default which i will manually configure individual profiles into enforce mode?
[11:01] <tachikomas> furycd001: your linux user ?
[11:02] <furycd001> Yes I have one user which is "furycd001" I want to undo or revert back to whatever the default group for my user should be.
[11:02] <tachikomas> should be something like this 24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),111(bluetooth)
[11:03] <tachikomas> also adding groups=1000(furrycd001)
[11:03] <tachikomas> be advised that sudo group is here if you use sudo.
[11:03] <furycd001> Groups for my user is currently showing as >> vboxusers adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[11:04] <furycd001> Haven't dealt with this before until now....
[11:04] <tachikomas> mhh
[11:04] <tachikomas> did you change the groups ?
[11:05] <furycd001> No I just installed virtualbox with a windows 7 virtual machine yesterday. Now this is what I see for permissions of all folders in my home directory http://i.imgur.com/158lMyv.png
[11:05] <tachikomas> mhh
[11:06] <tachikomas> doesnt seems that bad ?
[11:06] <tachikomas> your home directory you should have furycd001 as a owner.
[11:07] <tachikomas> after the group itself you can have yourself (as a group) that is default
[11:07] <furycd001> I just came here because I wasn't sure if this was a problem or not. I never really touch groups or anything like that.
[11:07] <tachikomas> or something else
[11:07] <tachikomas> doesnt look like it
[11:07] <ChrisL71> Okay, it seems that input is what is broken on virtualbox, it is not responding to mouse or keyboard input but actually is still running
[11:07] <tachikomas> if you open a terminal and enter ID
[11:07] <tachikomas> id
[11:07] <tachikomas> what do you have listed as group ?
[11:07] <ChrisL71> I opened firefox with DISPLAY on a tty
[11:07] <tachikomas> ChrisL71: what version ?
[11:08] <furycd001> id >> uid=1000(furycd001) gid=128(vboxusers) groups=128(vboxusers),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),113(lpadmin),127(sambashare)
[11:08] <ChrisL71> Of what? Ubuntu 18.04 updated, VirtualBox 6.0.8
[11:08] <tachikomas> so furycd001 you are member of vboxusers group
[11:08] <tachikomas> so no problem :)
[11:09] <furycd001> Thank you for clarifying :)
[11:09] <afidegnum> any insight ?
[11:09] <tachikomas> afidegnum: of ?
[11:09] <afidegnum> is there a way to turn apparmor to complain mode by default which i will manually configure individual profiles into enforce mode?
[11:10] <tachikomas> ChrisL71: Seen some incompatibility trough Virtualbox with 6.0.8, i am using 6.0.4 r1 at work for this reason
[11:10] <ChrisL71> Okay, I will try that! Thanks a lot
[11:11] <tachikomas> afidegnum: When ? at a reboot ?
[11:12] <afidegnum> welll having apparmor set by default in complain mode instead of enforce mode
[11:13] <tachikomas> sudo aa-complain <yourbin> ?
[11:13] <tachikomas> sudo aa-complain <yourbin>
[11:13] <tachikomas> something like this
[11:13] <blackflow> DevAntoine: there have to be .mount files there, under /run/systemd/generator/
[11:14] <afidegnum> tachikomas: which bin is that?
[11:14] <afidegnum> 4
[11:14] <tachikomas> the binary you want to put in complain mode
[11:14] <tachikomas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[11:19] <afidegnum> tachikomas: then how do i recursively activate all profiles into complain mode?
[11:20] <tachikomas> Not sure how to do it, but i would aa-complain /usr/bin/* or something like this
[11:20] <tachikomas> not sure its a really good idea
[11:20] <ChrisL71> tachikomas: Are you sure it was 6.0.4? I am seeing the same input problem here (exact version I am using is 6.0.4 r128413)
[11:20] <tachikomas> ChrisL71: running the exact same version
[11:21] <tachikomas> For around 3 month, 10 h a day :)
[11:21] <ChrisL71> Did you change the graphics controller to VBoxVGA?
[11:21] <tachikomas> No i use vmsvga
[11:21] <tachikomas> had trouble with vboxvga
[11:21] <ChrisL71> Okay, something else to try I guess
[11:22] <ChrisL71> 3D accel option?
[11:22] <tachikomas> none
[11:22] <blackflow> afidegnum: _all_ profiles?   `aa-complain`
[11:22] <tachikomas> 128Mo of memory in the video
[11:23] <ChrisL71> Hmmm I'm starting to think I shall have to connect over SSH+X for now, what a pain
[11:33] <fling> Where can I find shiftfs patch for 4.19?
[11:35] <afidegnum> blackflow: yes
[11:53] <aneon> is there anyway to off apache2-stuff that gets triggered while installing certain packages, I have it masked & I am using nginx. Some packages need apache2 running before completing the install
[11:53] <aneon> this autostart thing is annoying
[11:54] <aneon> someone far off "decides" how users should use the system
[11:56] <aneon> wtf
[12:00] <blackflow> aneon: which packages are those?
[12:02] <stressedoutcat> I believe there is a way to disable the automatic restart thing by setting some dpkg/apt policy, but it's hard to find any results on the web where they don't just suggest doing stupid things
[12:11] <aneon> nbox
[12:12] <Jan-> hihi
[12:12] <Jan-> why would apt say "E: Unable to locate package arm-none-eabi-gcc"
[12:12] <aneon> I enabled apache2, changed ports for the install to complete
[12:13] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: because it can't find that package in any package repository it knows about
[12:13] <janco> Jan-:  sudo apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi     gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf   gcc-arm-none-eabi
[12:13] <aneon> stressedoutcat: I will explore apt policy
[12:14] <Jan-> I'm trying to solve the problem where I type "make -C opendps" and it says, among other things, "make: arm-none-eabi-gcc: Command not found"
[12:14] <stressedoutcat> aneon: I've been searching for a couple of minutes now, but I couldn't find anything remotely useful on that matter :-/
[12:14] <Jan-> so I guess I need to give it arm-none-eabi-gcc
[12:14] <Jan-> somehow
[12:14] <stressedoutcat> aneon: good luck
[12:14] <aneon> right
[12:14] <mia> Hello channel - how can I theme the lock screen?
[12:14] <DevAntoine> blackflow: I don't have any /run/systemd/generator directory
[12:14] <mia> I can change the gdm3 css file but only the loogin screen gets affected by this
[12:14] <mia> not the lock screen
[12:15] <mia> I'm trying to find a solution to this since yesterday :(
[12:15] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: the command or executable file may be named like that, but that doesn't mean the package has the same name
[12:15] <tomreyn> Jan-: apt search gcc-arm
[12:15] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: you can use `apt-file search {file}` to search for packages that provide that files
[12:16] <Jan-> is there not some way I can just download the files from whoever created them and... unpack an archive, like you would on windows
[12:16]  * Jan- is a windows person
[12:16] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: you can, but that's super inconvenient, and pretty hacky
[12:16] <Jan-> I've been trying to solve this for more than a working day's worth of time.
[12:16] <Jan-> Define convenience.
[12:17] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: with a package manager, if you know you need tool XY, you tell the package manager to install tool XY, and voilà, it's installed - no need to search the web, download stuff from questionable sites, etc.
[12:17] <Jan-> janco's command exited with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[12:17] <Jan-> stressedoutcat: in my experience it's basically like it is here. You type apt-get install whatever and it just spits out a bunch of error messages and fails.
[12:18] <Jan-> I don't think I've ever had apt work, not once, not ever.
[12:18] <rory> Jan-: can you share the full error message on a pastebin
[12:18] <TJ-> aneon: Not sure if this is still honoured by systemd, but in the Debian init invoke/update.rc.d there's a policy-rc.d trick you can do to prevent dpkg restarting services: "echo exit 101 > /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d; chmod +x /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d"
[12:19] <Jan-> https://pastebin.com/NDFfw8RQ
[12:19] <stressedoutcat> TJ-: except that files under /usr are managed by the package manager, and will be overwritten the next time the corresponding package gest updated
[12:19] <rory> Jan-: btw "X" command not found doesn't necessarily mean there will be a package called "X" that matches it.
[12:19] <TJ-> stressedoutcat: I'm not referring to that
[12:19] <Jan-> rory: I know.
[12:19] <tomreyn> Jan-: if you're just learning how to build software on linux, maybe you should not start with cross compiling but build some native software first of all.
[12:19] <Jan-> But I don't have any other information.
[12:19] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: "(No space left on device)"
[12:19] <aneon> TJ-:  I will have a look
[12:19] <rory> Jan-: the error is failed to write (No space left on device)
[12:20] <Jan-> tomreyn: the only reason I'm doing this is so I can compile some software for a little electronic widget
[12:20] <janco> ~ Jan didn't tell he was on a live USB ~
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:20] <Jan-> I have no interest whatsoever in learning how to compile code under linux because it's a massive pain in the backside.
[12:20] <janco> ~ which is apprently way to small to install all the packages ~
[12:20] <Jan-> I was told this would be easy.
[12:20] <TJ-> aneon: stressedoutcat if you want to move files to another location that the package-manager respects, use "dpkg-divert"
[12:21] <Jan-> is there any way to fix this
[12:21] <janco> yes, use a larger usb drive
[12:21] <Jan-> this thing is starting from an 8 gb usb stick which has heaps of space left
[12:22] <janco> apprently you didn't format it like that
[12:22] <janco> why not use a virtual machine on your windows?
[12:22] <rory> The live environment comes with a graphical disk usage analyser
[12:22] <Jan-> janco because I need it to have access to usb ports to run the stm32 programmer.
[12:22] <janco> Jan-: I did that before, you simply have usb passthrough
[12:22] <janco> and that works
[12:22] <rory> you might be able to free up some space by uninstalling packages you don't need like the office suite etc
[12:23] <janco> (I did it the other way arround tho, host linux and guest windows for the atmel programmer)
[12:23] <Jan-> I know in theory it should but this is linux and a lot of stuff doesn't work according to the theory
[12:23] <stressedoutcat> TJ-: OK, I guess that solves the issues caused by manually meddling around in /usr... I still don't find that very clean, though
[12:23] <rory> and delete packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[12:23] <Jan-> it seemed like a better idea to avoid the risk
[12:23] <Jan-> take some entropy out of this etc
[12:23] <TJ-> Jan-: are you using the Live environment (Try Ubuntu) ?
[12:23] <yogg> Hi
[12:23] <Jan-> TJ this is booting from a usb key yes, but I was told it would work.
[12:23] <TJ-> stressedoutcat: dpkg-divert is *the* way to do it, it's why Debian added that tool
[12:24] <Jan-> actually I was told that I'd just have to type a few "make" commands
[12:24] <rory> you can do stuff in a live environment you just need to be careful with space and maybe manually delete some unused files
[12:24] <tomreyn> Jan-: it can most likely work. is it a good idea? i wouldn't say so.
[12:24] <Jan-> but it's been a bit more complicated than that
[12:24] <rory> cross-compiling software is inherently pretty fiddly
[12:24] <TJ-> Jan-: if it is the Live (Try Ubuntu) environment, the OS is runinng from a file-system in RAM, it cannot/does not write to the device it booted from (which is read-only)
[12:24] <Jan-> I know it is.
[12:24] <rory> what are you doing overall?
[12:24] <Jan-> But all the linux people said it would be easy.
[12:25] <rory> it could be, if all the commands just work first time
[12:25] <Jan-> Yeah but do they eber?
[12:25] <yogg> Is it possible to pass all environment variables through "start-stop-daemon"? Currently I get only some default env vars.
[12:25] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: those "linux people" probably didn't anticipate you trying to pull up a full-blown development environment in a limited-space live environment
[12:25] <rory> as soon as your environment deviates from the person writing the blog post or whatever, you will run into issues
[12:25] <TJ-> Jan-: therefore the amount of RAM the system has will control how large the in-RAM file-system can grow, it is usally limited to 1/2 the RAM size
[12:25] <rory> and the nature of the issues is not something a newbie can necessarily fix by themselves
[12:25] <Jan-> yeah rory I know
[12:25] <Jan-> but linux people somehow never make that clear
[12:25] <Jan-> it's always "linux is great, everything is perfect"
[12:25] <rory> we're "linux people"
[12:25] <Jan-> then it really isn't
[12:26] <TJ-> Jan-: what is your usual OS?
[12:26] <Jan-> windows
[12:26] <Jan-> where things tend to work as advertised
[12:26] <rory> I understand you're frustrated but we're not a blok or a customer support helpine. Saying stuff like this isn't going to make people try to "prove" linux is better by helping you
[12:26] <TJ-> Jan-:how about installing Ubuntu into a virtual machine using something like VirtualBox hypervisor?
[12:26] <rory> it's just going to annoy people
[12:26] <Jan-> anyway what I'm trying to do here is compile a piece of software called opendps
[12:27] <stressedoutcat> different OSes work differently - when starting to use a new (and fundamentally different) OS, it helps to stop assuming things based on what you've learned before
[12:27] <Jan-> it's a replacement firmware for a DPS5005 power supply.
[12:27] <pragmaticenigma> Jan-: Just as in Windows, things work when you use the pre-built packages, and software installers. when you attempt to build things yourself, that is not something anyone would expect a new person to any operating system to understand out of the gate.
[12:27] <Jan-> The power supply has a little stm32 processor on it which runs an arm cortex core
[12:27] <rory> Flippant answer: go do it on Windows then :)
[12:27] <Jan-> I tried twice to do it on windows under mingw and cygwin
[12:28] <Jan-> anyway the point is the instructions given were just to download it from git, and type make -C foobar three times
[12:28] <Jan-> obvious that doesn't just work because this is linux but that was the instruction I was given so that is what I did.
[12:28] <pragmaticenigma> Jan-: Is your power supply suffering from any particular issue that you feel it necessary to update its firmware?
[12:28] <Jan-> pragmaticenigma: it's a long story but ultimately yes.
[12:29] <Jan-> so anyway here I am
[12:29] <Jan-> I have typed the git command, that worked ok
[12:29] <Jan-> I have typed "make -C libopencm3" and I think it worked out okay but I can't really tell
[12:30] <Jan-> Now I'm stuck here: https://pastebin.com/sFmY21jj
[12:30] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: have you got a link to the instructions, so we can follow what you're doing?
[12:30] <pragmaticenigma> If you need a one off build environment, then what I would recommend is install VirtualBox in Windows, Install Ubuntu to that instance, and all the requisite dependencies for the firmware build. Make your build there. Once you have a build, you might be able to use a live Linux instance to install it. though I'm not 100% certain on that
[12:30] <mia> Hello channel - how can I theme the lock screen?
[12:30] <mia> I can change the gdm3 css file but only the loogin screen gets affected by this
[12:30] <mia> not the lock screen
[12:30] <mia> I'm trying to find a solution to this since yesterday :(
[12:31] <Jan-> https://johan.kanflo.com/upgrading-your-dps5005/
[12:31] <TJ-> Jan-: if the earlier package-installation issues were not solved (they failed due to out-of-disk-space) then key files will be missing
[12:31] <Jan-> basically "git clone --recursive https://github.com/kanflo/opendps.git"
[12:31] <Jan-> then "cd opendps"
[12:31] <Jan-> then "make -C" on libopencm3, opendps and dpsboot
[12:32] <pragmaticenigma> mia: You need to provide more details so volunteers here can help you. What Ubuntu version are you using?
[12:32] <TJ-> Jan-: we're not support for opendps; we're here (all as Volunteers) to help with Ubuntu issues. We've pointed out the issue is out-od-disk-space from your earlier pastebin
[12:33] <Jan-> would it help if I could find out exactly what version of linux the guy developed this under
[12:33] <Jan-> beause right now it's just problem after problem
[12:33] <stressedoutcat> well, those instructions do start with "you should install OpenOCD and an ARM GCC toolchain", so it's not like they start with `git clone` right away
[12:33] <Reign_> hi guys, am a bit lost, what's wrong with this ssh through proxy here: https://pastebin.com/Mh5G2CuC ?
[12:34] <Jan-> is this in any sense solvable
[12:34] <Jan-> or do I just give this one up to the gods of linux and mark it for linux converts only :)
[12:35] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: the compiler complains because it can't find the header files - normally, it's solved by installing the required -dev packages, but since this is about cross-compiling, it's not sure *which* -dev files exactly
[12:35] <Jan-> this is my normal linux experience, it's always something to do with header files
[12:35] <Jan-> serious question: does any of this EVER just work?
[12:35] <pragmaticenigma> Jan-: Not with this channel... as TJ- mentioned, we support Ubuntu operating system here. The volunteers already identified your issue. Anything that you have discussed beyond that is offtopic for this channel. To get the answer you seek you will have to reach out to the author of the software/code that you are attempting to work with or find a community that is working on the project
[12:35] <Jan-> I mean if I load a project into visual studio there's sometimes some futzing and fixing and stuff to do, but linux just seems to be an endless nightmare of glitches.
[12:36] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: again, you are assuming a lot of things, and you've jumped right into a topic (cross-compiling) that is rather advanced even for seasoned linux users without the necessary basic knowledge
[12:36] <Jan-> but lots of people said it would be easy
[12:36] <Jan-> they knew what I was attempting
[12:37] <Jan-> it was repeatedly implied that all I would have to do was type those commands and go
[12:37] <stressedoutcat> then those people were not honest, or they assumed you had a certain knowledge level
[12:37] <pragmaticenigma> stressedoutcat, Jan- ... your conversation has moved into offtopic territory. Please feel free to continue in #ubuntu-offtopic or in private messages.
[12:37] <stressedoutcat> meh, I'm stopping here
[12:38] <Jan-> It'd be nice if we could get the linux community in general to be a bit more honest about how much technical knowledge linux really demands.
[12:38] <Jan-> It's not intended to be a user-facing operating system and it should not be promoted as such.
[12:38] <stressedoutcat> Jan-: has nothing to do with linux or #ubuntu - cross-compiling is non-trivial no matter what OS
[12:38] <retrhelo> hi guys, i'm a beginner in linux, and i wonder if there are any software recommended for 8051 development as i am going to learn it next term
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> Jan-: Again, this isn't the place.   - *slams door*
[12:57] <DevAntoine> Any reason I don't have the following directory? /run/systemd/generator
[12:58] <stressedoutcat> DevAntoine: what version of ubuntu?
[12:59] <DevAntoine> OH GOSH
[12:59] <DevAntoine> I hate this vagrant thing
[12:59] <DevAntoine> I thought I was on Bionic but I'm on Trusty.
[12:59] <DevAntoine> Yeah, ok.
[12:59] <DevAntoine> Thanks stressedoutcat
[12:59] <stressedoutcat> trusty... that's
[12:59]  * stressedoutcat checks
[12:59] <stressedoutcat> ... old
[12:59] <DevAntoine> Yeah, current production runs under Trusty 😎
[13:01] <DevAntoine> But I do have /etc/systemd
[13:01] <DevAntoine> I thought there was no systemd back on trusty
[13:01] <stressedoutcat> possible that there already was, but it wasn't used yet
[13:02] <stressedoutcat> so some packages would install systemd unit files just in case someone wanted to test it... at least I would assume
[13:02] <TJ-> DevAntoine: because no generators rna?
[13:03] <TJ-> DevAntoine: in case it's useful to you; I've written two systemd generators this morning already so have intimate knowledge :)
[13:04] <DevAntoine> TJ-: Thanks, I'm rebuilding the box and have a look at the mounting units.
[13:04] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I'm actually writing a generator to handle automounts :)
[13:06] <tomreyn> DevAntoine: just to spell it out since you weren't explicitly told and didn't mention you're aware: Ubuntu Trusty Tahr (14.04) is end of life (and normally we only support non-EOL releases here)
[13:06] <DevAntoine> tomreyn: yes, I'm well aware of that, but thanks for the reminder ;)
[13:10] <VinnieVal> Good morning guys
[13:10] <VinnieVal> i'm new to Ubuntu and I'm having troubles installing Midori
[13:10] <VinnieVal> is there somebody that can help me ?
[13:11] <tomreyn> VinnieVal: how are you trying to install it? on which ubuntu version?
[13:12] <VinnieVal> when i do sudo apt-add-repository ppa:midori/ppa, it says user or team isnt found
[13:12] <VinnieVal> i'm doing it on Lubuntu
[13:12] <tomreyn> this suggests the PPA you're trying to use no longer exists
[13:12] <tomreyn> !ppa
[13:12] <tomreyn> see the search
[13:13] <VinnieVal> ill have a look upon it :) thanks
[13:13] <tomreyn> there's also a snap https://snapcraft.io/midori - but i cannot comment on whether or not it can be trusted.
[13:14] <tomreyn> (the same goes for any PPAs, of course)
[13:18] <tomreyn> VinnieVal: please note that midori was removed from debian (and later ubuntu) for a reason: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=864951
[13:28] <mia> pragmaticenigma, ubuntu 18.10
[13:28] <mia> Sorry 18.04
[13:32] <Grush> Hi Channel. Is there a way to fully replace macOs on a macbook pro 2018  to ubuntu?
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> !mac | Grush
[13:37] <tomreyn> VinnieVal: another amendment to the above: midori has been reintroduced in the (community maintained) universe repositories since ubuntu 19.04 since development has regained activity since and the list of (previously outdated / no longer satisfiable)) dependencies were improved upon.
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> mia: Presently it is not possible to anything more than change the background of the lock screen. I personally wouldn't recommend changing the lock screen as doing so may cause issues with being able to log into your machine, as well as unintentionally hiding features you may need later. Also, support here will be more difficult as the volunteers here assume you are using the default login screen and will attempt to provide help
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> for that scenario.
[13:43] <Furai> I've run into a weird issue. For some reason ubuntu detects 3 displays when only 2 are connected. (Laptop + TV) Why would it think that there are 3?
[13:46] <cfhowlett> !ping
[13:51] <Fuchs> !peng
[13:55] <DevAntoine> Ok, I totally broke my VM with my mounting points and x-systemd.requires :|
[13:56] <DevAntoine> I can only boot in maintenance mode but the FS is readonly so I don't see the point.
[13:56] <DevAntoine> Here is my fstab: https://gist.github.com/devantoine/2e26373ec7b695c2f23d77f57c013ba7
[13:56] <tomreyn> Furai: "xrandr" (run on a terminal) may have more details.
[13:57] <blackflow> DevAntoine: you can remount the fs as rw
[13:57] <DevAntoine> blackflow: right, I always forgot about this
[13:58] <DevAntoine> What is weird is that I don't see any error at boot time but I always get the maintenance mode prompt :/
[13:58] <blackflow> DevAntoine: btw I do have to ask, what exactly are you doing there? I think you mentioned /vagrant is a NFS export? those are not handled by fstab
[14:00] <DevAntoine> blackflow: yes, /vagrant is a NFS export, I don't know where it's handled, it's vagrant doing it. What I want is to do bind mount. For instance my source is /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/compiler and the destination would be /vagrant/dartagnan-compiler/node_modules
[14:00] <DevAntoine> So for that I have to wait that /vagrant is available.
[14:00] <blackflow> ah so nfs imports then? remote mounts?
[14:01] <blackflow> at any rate, like I said, you shouldn't handle those with fstab, but write proper .mount units. fstab will block on boot if any mountpoint can't be performed, and there's no "nofail" option
[14:02] <DevAntoine> blackflow: I was pretty sure it worked at some point :/
[14:04] <blackflow> not sure how. fstab blocks on boot, unless there's "nofail", but you have a condition there. what you need is happening after network.online target, which is way after fstab has been consulted.
[14:04] <Furai> tomreyn, ok, thanks.
[14:05] <TJ-> DevAntoine: you've no "/vagrant/" mountpoint they depend on that I can see, and I'm assuming all those will become *requires* of local-fs.target
[14:06] <blackflow> DevAntoine: so ideally you'd have .mount units that can have proper Before and After conditions, so it can wait until network is online, NFS remotes are mounted, and bind mounts then performed.
[14:06] <TJ-> DevAntoine: so therefore start-up will stall since local-fs.target is not reached
[14:07] <blackflow> yeah. fstab is really just for local filesystems on boot, or noauto ones that you can mount manually by specifying only the source or dest dirs
[14:08] <TJ-> DevAntoine: it actually looks like what you need is "x-systemd.automount" not "x-systemd.requires"
[14:08] <blackflow> DevAntoine: try adding x-systemd.after=network-online.target to the options too
[14:08] <TJ-> DevAntoine: in that way, the mounts won't be created until *something* tries to access them, which presumably will be after the NFS /vagrant/ mount is present
[14:09] <blackflow> that should work too I suppose.
[14:09] <TJ-> DevAntoine: also, you've used "x-systemd.requires=" incorrectly - it's not for specifying a path, it is to name another unit
[14:10] <TJ-> DevAntoine: maybe you meant to use "x-systemd.requires-mounts-for="
[14:11] <blackflow> good catch
[14:13] <DevAntoine> Wow, thanks guys.
[14:14] <DevAntoine> I had no idea what I did there :D
[14:14] <DevAntoine> I just read a blog post and thought it was ok.
[14:15] <DevAntoine> iirc the blog post was supposed to solved the same issue I have.
[14:25] <DevAntoine> TJ-, blackflow: I tried the following:
[14:25] <DevAntoine>  /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/compiler /vagrant/dartagnan-compiler/node_modules/ none x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.requires-mount-for=/vagrant,defaults,bind 0 0
[14:25] <DevAntoine> But it doesn't work
[14:26] <DevAntoine> SO I guess I'll have to create my own mounting unit :/
[14:33] <DevAntoine> blackflow: is it you who said having mount units examples?
[14:37] <TJ-> DevAntoine: as I said, that is going to stall the start-up until /vagrant is mounted
[14:39] <TJ-> DevAntoine: I'd suggest using the automount option only, since one presumes nothing will try to access those mounts until /vagrant/ has been mounted
[14:43] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I'm not sure to understand how it works. automount just means mounting automatically the mount point at startup right?
[14:44] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I'm sorry to bother you I'm kinda lost.
[14:44] <DevAntoine> Oh right
[14:44] <DevAntoine> I read again what you said.
[14:44] <DevAntoine> automount means it'll be mounted at first access.
[14:46] <TJ-> DevAntoine: correct
[14:46] <TJ-> DevAntoine: which should be after the mountpoint has been mounted at /vagrant/
[14:46] <DevAntoine> well, no success either
[14:47] <DevAntoine>  /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/compiler /vagrant/dartagnan-compiler/node_modules/ none x-systemd.automount,defaults,bind 0 0
[14:47] <DevAntoine> system doesn't boot
[14:48] <TJ-> DevAntoine: but what error do you get? it may be unrelated to these entries
[14:51] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I don't know I see no error at boot time :/
[14:51] <TJ-> DevAntoine: examine the log files
[14:52] <DevAntoine> TJ-: journalctl -xe?
[14:53] <TJ-> DevAntoine: yes, or similar
[14:54] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I don't see any error :/
[15:01] <aneon> where lxd writes data?
[15:01] <aneon> is it /var/lib/lxd or some other place?
[15:03] <popey_> tomreyn: fyi, the midori snap is maintained by the author of midori
[15:18] <DevAntoine> Gosh, I was able to see the error at boot time but cannot find it in /var/log/syslog neither in journalctl...
[15:18] <DevAntoine> TJ-: https://imgur.com/a/pMC69fq
[15:19] <DevAntoine> "dependency failed for local file system
[15:20] <tomreyn> popey_: thanks. i noticed the name shown on https://snapcraft.io/midori is the same as the one on https://github.com/midori-browser/core - it's just that this is insufficient for me to make a statement on whether they are identical, or either should be trusted.
[15:22] <DevAntoine> So it seems that automount does check the directory even though it's not mounting it right now.
[15:27] <isomari> how can I make startx boot to plasma instead of gnome.
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> isomari: When you are on the login screen, there is a drop down to select the desired Desktop Environment
[15:29] <pragmaticenigma> isomari: When you are on the login screen, there is a drop down to select the desired Desktop Environment
[15:30] <isomari> pragmaticenigma: I know that. I could login for a while but I'm ok now. Thanks. I wanted to know from the cli how to use startx to reach plasma.
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> isomari: You can't
[15:48] <sparr> lotuspsychje: I did not run 18.04 long enough to discover if this problem existed
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> sparr: what was your original question again?
[15:56] <sparr> I'm having trouble with X dying when I resume from suspend with my laptop (Dell XPS 9570) not plugged in. I'm using the Ubuntu 418.56 driver/etc packages. The most damning error is in Xorg.0.log "(EE) modeset(G0): failed to set mode: No space left on device". More logs and details here https://gist.github.com/sparr/bf17c4ab3ba95f8338076918e96a0943
[15:56] <sparr> I haven't tried TJ's acpi adjustments yet
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> sparr: tested another nvidia driver yet?
[15:58] <sparr> I have not. Would you recommend a downgrade or upgrade first?
[15:58] <sparr> I wish there were more results on google for that error message :/
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> sparr: well drivers arent really up or downgrade, just switching
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> sparr: wich graphics card chipset do you have please?
[15:59] <TJ-> DevAntoine: just got back -  .automount units do not check mountpoint existing - in fact if it doesn't exist they create it at mount time
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> sparr: sudo lshw -C video, to check
[16:00] <DevAntoine> TJ-: well, the error is weird then.
[16:00] <sparr> I have an i915 and nvidia 1050 Ti
[16:00] <DevAntoine> Anyway I found a way to make it work
[16:00] <DevAntoine> TJ-: I removed all the systemd options in the fstab and just added "_netdev"
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> sparr: check: ubuntu-drivers list to see wich other versions are available for you
[16:01] <DevAntoine> my understanding is that "_netdev" will make the mount point wait until the network is up
[16:01] <TJ-> DevAntoine: it suggests the associated .mount job had a problem, but without seeing the entire config it's hard to know
[16:01] <TJ-> DevAntoine: that is the general idea :)
[16:03] <DevAntoine> TJ-: so now I've got lines like this:
[16:03] <DevAntoine>  /home/vagrant/dartagnan/node_modules/compiler /vagrant/dartagnan-compiler/node_modules/ none _netdev,defaults,bind 0 0
[16:22] <cutecycle> hello; I have as root executed `passwd -d user`, but shelling in as that user and `sudo`ing still requests a password, and the password isn't `""`
[16:27] <sparr> TJ-: in your acpi script you run config again before update-grub; do you expect different output there?
[16:29] <sparr> also for me on Ubuntu 19.04 the results of update-grub with your script's changes are like this, which look wrong/weird: BOOT_IMAGE=UUID=2ec53129-178d-4ce3-afdd-bafc39ac6fd1 ro  acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2017.2" quiet splash acpi_rev_override=1 acpi_osi=Linux scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0 mem_sleep_default=deep
[16:46] <sparr> I don't know where the `acpi_osi=Linux` is coming from. I've looked in /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub
[16:53] <TJ-> sparr: hmmm, in the script, or in the instructions on the web page?
[16:54] <TJ-> sparr: erk, you get that on 19.04? Is that Ubuntu desktop, or another flavour?
[16:55] <TJ-> sparr: "grep -rn apci_osi /etc/default/grub.d/"
[17:02] <sparr> I followed the instructions on the webpage assuming it was the same as the script, as it says it would be
[17:02] <sparr> ubuntu desktop. can follow up further later, sorry am distracted right now
[17:02] <sparr> no results for that grep
[17:04] <TJ-> sparr: the web page does an additional call to config() so as to display what it is about to do
[17:07] <Vuks> Hello. I'm trying to set up SANE with a HP AIO machine on my RPI running Debian Stretch, to provide scanner utility to Windows 10 machines on the local network. CUPS works fine for printing. The `saned` user is in group `lp`, and the machine is listed after `scanimage -L`. Yet when I try to access it via SaneTwain on Windows, PCUSER is granted access by `saned` but logs show `saned[2080]: io/hpmud/musb.c 2101: Invalid usb_open: Permission
[17:07] <Vuks> Does anyone know what could cause this?
[17:08] <TJ-> Vuks: this is support for Ubuntu
[17:08] <Vuks> Oh, sorry. I was assuming it's some weird permission thing here
[17:09] <lordcirth> Vuks, /join ##debian
[17:50] <Joah> has anyone used a Sound Blaster X-Fi SB0770 sound card on Ubuntu 16.04+?
[17:50] <Joah> trying to find out if it supports it but i'm not seeing anything
[17:51] <tonyt> joah easiest way to find out, and you have the sound card in your machine already, put 16.04 iso on to a usb flash drive and boot in to it and test the sound
[17:52] <Joah> that's the problem, i don't have it yet
[17:52] <Joah> lolol
[17:52] <tonyt> oh ok :)
[17:52] <Joah> but thank you
[17:54] <apb1963> 16.04 - File manager doesn't do anything, acts like it's crashing or something in that it just silently fails to run.  Same problem with imagemagick.  soffice.bin at 100% CPU.  Ideas??
[17:54] <TJ-> Joah: I recall that generally, sound-blaster support is poor, in drivers
[17:55] <Joah> TJ-, thank you for the heads up!
[17:55] <Joah> does anyone have a recommendation for a PCI sound card that can output high resolution audio at at least 96 kHz/24-bit?
[17:55] <Joah> in stereo
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> Joah: ##hardware perhaps?
[17:56] <Joah> that will work well with ubuntu 16.04+, of course
[17:56] <Joah> sounds good
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> Joah: see also: https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[17:56] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: do you have any special libreoffice extensions installed?
[17:56] <Joah> thanks
[17:58] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, not that I recall... how can I check?
[17:58] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: tools->extension manager in libreoffice
[17:59] <marcustomlinson> solver for nonlinear programming & wiki publisher are the 2 standard
[17:59] <TJ-> Joah: have a search through https://certification.ubuntu.com/
[17:59] <TJ-> haha, lotuspsychje beat me to it
[17:59] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, thanks... it's a blank window so I guess no extensions.
[18:01] <TJ-> Joah: the list of certified audio devices: https://certification.ubuntu.com/catalog/category/AUDIO/
[18:01] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: ok, it's worth checking first as we've seen extensions acting badly before
[18:01] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: does this happen often?
[18:02] <apb1963> all I want to do is take a bunch - about 25 - of existing .png files, and package them into one file.  xsane will do it, but as far as I know, only if you scan pages; whereas my images already exist in digital form.
[18:02] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, seems to be always
[18:02] <hello_kitty> i have like 50 servers which i administrate over ssh and using an ssh key to connect... how do I scale this out to also enable some employees to administrate the servers? distribute a key to everyone? make everyone generate a key and add it to every server..?
[18:03] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: on your extension manager window do you have all 3 tick boxes checked under "Display Extensions" (near the bottom)
[18:04] <apb1963> hello_kitty, I'm pretty sure each person should generate their own keys.  There may be a better way, but I don't know it.  Not an expert.
[18:04] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, yes
[18:04] <hello_kitty> ty
[18:04] <gray> hello
[18:04] <tbosss> ssh-copy-id asking password
[18:04] <Joah> TJ-, hmm, it looks like most of those are HDMI audio
[18:05] <tbosss> anyone
[18:06] <TJ-> Joah: and most sound devices are built into the Intel PCH or AND equivalent now
[18:06] <Joah> i'm too old school
[18:06] <Joah> lolol
[18:06] <Joah> thanks for the info, TJ-
[18:07] <maszlo> greetings. I seem to have a brain fart in where to find logs for gdm3.  I enabled the debugging from the custom.conf but not seeing anything the /var/log/gdm3 folder
[18:07] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: do you still see this cpu usage with only libreoffice open
[18:08] <marcustomlinson> all else closed
[18:08] <Joah> oh vcool
[18:08] <Joah> -v
[18:08] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, define "all else"
[18:08] <Joah> just found https://askubuntu.com/questions/442271/will-my-software-and-soundcards-work-in-ubuntu
[18:08] <Joah> looks like i'll be good!
[18:08] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: other gui apps
[18:08] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, like firefox?
[18:09] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: yes
[18:09] <maszlo> I had power outage that expended the UPS.  server shut down improperly and no longer auto logging into desktop (htpc)  it had about a year uptime so hard to tell where the issue is from.  other services (influxdb, grafana, apache2 are running fine)
[18:09] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, and hexchat?
[18:09] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: try just closing firefox
[18:10] <Swizzy> Good evening, is it permitted to ask questions relating to an Ubuntu Server here or should I use the dedicated Server Channel for that
[18:10] <Swizzy> Good evening, is it permitted to ask questions relating to an Ubuntu Server here or should I use the dedicated Server Channel for that?
[18:11] <dax> Swizzy: either is fine, though #ubuntu-server tends to have a little less noise and more server people
[18:12] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, quit firefox, restarted libreoffice... no change; still 100+% CPU
[18:12] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: one more check for extensions: dpkg -l 'libreoffice-extension-*'
[18:12] <marcustomlinson> should return nothing
[18:13] <apb1963> dpkg-query: no packages found matching libreoffice-extension-*
[18:13] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: ok, try running libreoffice like this: SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gen libreoffice
[18:13] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, how?  I click an icon on the menu
[18:13] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: from the terminal
[18:15] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, it seems to start faster including recovery, the font is different... but the problem remains.
[18:17] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: and no amount of waiting eventually leads to a drop in cpu?
[18:18] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, it varies from 99-101
[18:18] <apb1963>  marcustomlinson otherwise... no.
[18:21] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, would a live gdb backtrace help?
[18:21] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: sure ok
[18:23] <Swizzy> at work we are using Window's active directory, directory service to manage user accounts and such.
[18:23] <Swizzy> We would like to sync/use these accounts with our Ubuntu Servers (currently we are just using root access for everything there which is obviously a little concerning) and I am looking for a way to do this. Any pointers would be appreciated
[18:24] <tachikomas> Swizzy: ldap ?
[18:24] <tachikomas> you can anyway use AD in ubuntu.
[18:25] <Swizzy> I did stumble over ldap before, but wasn't entirely sure if that would be the easiest way to go about it.
[18:25] <tachikomas> Swizzy: to be totally honest, your getting into something that is everything else than easy
[18:26] <tachikomas> But ldap is your way to go
[18:26] <maszlo> ugh. i might have found that issue is with the nvidia driver.  when went to install it again is telling me a warning that have gcc 7.4 and the kernel was built on 7.3.  It warns about Linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kernel modules built with version that does not exactly match that of the kernel.
[18:26] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, https://pastebin.com/jw9nR0Up
[18:27] <maszlo> it gives me an Ignore option, would this statement still stand true with 4.15?
[18:28] <Swizzy> tachikomas: I appreciate the input and straight forward answer. I am just a trainee currently. Do you happen to have any relevant guide or article to read on using ladp in this instance?
[18:28] <tachikomas> Swizzy: Let me look around for you.
[18:29] <tachikomas> If i guess right, you want to use you AD account into your ubuntu server right ?
[18:29] <Swizzy> That would be ideal yes.
[18:29] <Swizzy> As I said currently we have a different root access to every ubuntu machine.
[18:29] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: what version of glib are you on? (dpkg -s libglib2.0-0)
[18:30] <tachikomas> Swizzy: so, what i would do is to set a vm as a ldap server, and sync it with your AD.
[18:30] <Swizzy> Okay seems easy enough - and then use that to interact with the Ubuntu Servers?
[18:31] <tachikomas> You can use it that way
[18:31] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, https://pastebin.com/UCihsdNq
[18:32] <tachikomas> Or you can use openldap as a proxy like chaining.
[18:32] <tachikomas> i will try to find you 2 decents guide
[18:32] <Swizzy> Thank you a lot already!
[18:34] <tachikomas> OLD but maybe still valid https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/alextch/2012/04/25/configuring-openldap-pass-through-authentication-to-active-directory/
[18:34] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: you're on xenial I guess
[18:34] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, yes.  16.04
[18:34] <tachikomas> the lts openldap ubuntu help https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[18:36] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: there is a glib bug that causes this high cpu issue in LO. Was fixed in glib2 2.54.3-2
[18:36] <tachikomas> Swizzy: i would also recommend you to read http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/security.html#Pass-Through authentication
[18:36] <tachikomas> and it looks like chaining is the prefered method so, go that way
[18:37] <Swizzy> Tachikomas will take a look at that
[18:37] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: just trying to figure out if there's a clean way for you to try a newer glib
[18:37] <tachikomas> Try the openldap channel aswell, not only the ubuntu one
[18:37] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, hmm.  Isn't that a distribution packaging issue?
[18:38] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, maybe LO has an environment variable that can be set to use a different glib?
[18:42] <maszlo> i didnt try to force the different versions of modules and kernel.  reverted to nouveau.  maybe its better these days
[18:42] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: yeah I'm not sure it is the glib issue just wanted to try it
[18:42] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: new angle, could you try installing a newer libreoffice from here: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-6-2
[18:44] <maszlo> I guess this is what i get for not updating anything since ~2009 lol
[18:45] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I found this comment "Solved it by removing libreoffice-extension-languagetool."
[18:45] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, but then... I don't have any extensions so... nvm
[18:46] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Might also see about what kernels are installed and removing all but the latest 2: uname -r ; dpkg -l | grep linux- .
[18:46] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I could try installing a newer libreoffice... but I'm concerned about getting wrong packages installed and totally hosing my system.
[18:47] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: ok or you could try the snap: snap install libreoffice
[18:47] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I'm snap clueless.
[18:48] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, no idea how that affects my system or what it actually does.
[18:49] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: it's just an app, self contained in /snap/libreoffice, doesn't affect any other part of your system other ~/snap/libreoffice for user files
[18:49] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, so it's like a VM?
[18:49] <maszlo> Bashing-om: Yeah, there are a bunch of 4.4 and 4.15 kernels.
[18:50] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: no more like a container. Think docker for apps
[18:50] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, yeah.... docker is yet another one I know pretty much zero about.
[18:51] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Will ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt autoremove ' run clean ?
[18:51] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, bottom line, it sounds like you're saying it's an independent installation that won't affect any other files on my system.  Yes?
[18:52] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, any other _important_ files
[18:53] <maszlo> Bashing-om: Yes, they run clean
[18:54] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Great .. then ya still want to persue installing a Nvidia proprietary driver ?
[18:55] <maszlo> Bashing-om: I will start purging the old ones 4.4 ones I guess.  to do that would i need to install the old gcc and build by 4.15 kernel in outdated gcc so the module matches?
[18:56] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: yeah, let's leave the snap aside then rather. Perhaps just install from LO own debs: https://libre-software.net/how-to-install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/
[18:56] <maszlo> Bashing-om: because if so.. might just try the open source one.  I am currently working from remote of where the server is with ssh
[18:57] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: I say leave the snap because I would like to know if this is a debian dependancy issue rather than LO
[18:57] <maszlo> Bashing-om: weird.. my apt purge only shows option of two to remove, but dpkg showed a slew of them installed
[18:58] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: if this still doesn't work, all I can suggest then is to report the bug: ubuntu-bug libreoffice-core
[18:59] <Bashing-om> maszlo: pastebin ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' We have a look at what the system sees.
[19:00] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I'm highly reluctant to install anything not provided by the distribution maintainers.  I did that in the early days and it hosed my system and I said "never again".
[19:01] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, the moment they find a library that's not part of the package, all support stops.
[19:01] <maszlo> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MC9WBf87P8/
[19:04] <Bashing-om> maszlo: "rc" == removed but config files remain. Let's clear out that cruft. Run ' dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P '. and we get a new fresh look at what dpkg reports.
[19:04] <Gallomimia> why is my video player showing a huge alpha channel transparency? i can barely see the video. losing focus makes it opaque again
[19:06] <Gallomimia> this problem existed yesterday, and i thought it was just something goofy with the filetype. but now a video that played normal last week is doing it too.... what gives? this is ubuntu vanilla 19.04
[19:06] <maszlo> Bashing-om: is this caused from doing something wrong?
[19:07] <maszlo> Bashing-om: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VmKQdZQQKP/
[19:11] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, reported. thanks for the effort!
[19:12] <apb1963> I still need a program that will let me browse & select .png images, and package them into a single file; could be a pdf or something else.
[19:13] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Outstanding :) .. now what kernel are you booting with ' uname -r ' ?
[19:13] <apb1963> At the moment, I'm using impress to create a package/container of files, but it's awkward.  I don't know if imagemagick will do it, I can't start it.  So any other suggestions would be appreciated.
[19:14] <maszlo> Bashing-om: from 4.15.0-51
[19:14] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Good deal .. now what do you want to do ?
[19:16] <maszlo> Bashing-om: the issue is that I have a GeForce 210, and its be left at a legacy driver from last year.  When trying to put that kernel module in my kernel it reports they were built on different gcc, and that will be rejected.  I have gcc (Ubuntu 7.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04.1) 7.4.0
[19:17] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Checking.
[19:18] <maszlo> Bashing-om: currently away from the computer hard to tell if it worked, but i removed the modprobe blacklist i had for the opensource driver and uninstalled the nvidia one.
[19:18] <maszlo> and install the nouveau firmware as it was removed
[19:19] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-340 bionic
[19:20] <maszlo> I was using https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/81761/en-us
[19:20] <ioria> !info nvidia-340
[19:21] <ioria> maszlo, 340 is still in the bionic repo
[19:21] <Bashing-om> ioria: :))
[19:21] <ioria> Bashing-om, hey
[19:22] <Gallomimia> what the smeg? now i got two websites open in tabs of firefox.... they're totally blank
[19:22] <Gallomimia> what is going on here??
[19:22] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Even nvidia says do not do that " Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package" . We got a mess to clean up.
[19:23] <Gallomimia> 3. i opened that link posted recently in this channel. it's blank too
[19:23] <Gallomimia> why is my system acting autistic?
[19:24] <maszlo> so its just my method of installing it from nvidia?  blacklisting the opensource one and installing nvidia-340 should be what i need?
[19:24] <maszlo> Bashing-om: i have been doing this wrong for the last 10 years!
[19:25] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Once cleaned up .. then ' ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' will do the job for you.
[19:26] <Bashing-om> maszlo: (as easy as that)
[19:28] <maszlo> Bashing-om: it will deal with the blacklisting modules?  or should i remove nouveau?
[19:29] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Nope .. the system installer will take care of everything .. but will require that do remove what the Nvidia installation attempt may have done.
[19:31] <Bashing-om> maszlo: what shows: sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" ?
[19:31] <maszlo> Bashing-om: i have already ran the uninstall on the nvidia installer so should be good there. Thanks so much for that command.  something i would have never found randomly
[19:33] <maszlo> Bashing-om: that is taking longer than expected, it might be spinning up a nfs share :P
[19:34] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: did you try this? https://libre-software.net/how-to-install-libreoffice-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/
[19:34] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Will take a bit for 'find' to search.
[19:34] <maszlo> Bashing-om: only returned the installers so looks good
[19:35] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Great - remove the installer as it serves no purpose other than to confuse.
[19:36] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Here directly I have to do other things .. be a bit before I return.
[19:37] <maszlo> Bashing-om: thank you very much for your help
[19:38] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Glad to help - I be back to see this through :)
[19:42] <transhumanist> why does dlib take so long to install
[19:42] <transhumanist> with pip3
[19:42] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, ty for that.  As that does not come from canonical I have no way of knowing whether it will replace important libs (partly because I don't know which libs are important - they should be pre-pinned so I don't have to worry).  If it install a later glibc for example, and that messes with other things.... I'm screwed, no more support.
[19:42] <Apachez> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2019/CVE-2019-11477.html
[19:44] <mojikun> if i set grub_timeout=0, and my new kernel doesn't boot, i have no way to select the old kernel at boot? (like when pressing shift on bootup)
[19:45] <EriC^^> mojikun: shift still works
[19:46] <mojikun> EriC^^, is it esc or shift?
[19:48] <Bashing-om> mojikun: EFI system is the escape key.
[19:48] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: any reason you're sticking with xenial?
[19:50] <EriC^^> mojikun: shift usually
[19:50] <EriC^^> grub1 is esc iirc
[19:58] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, don't have time to deal with an upgrade
[19:59] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I'm slowly moving towards 18.04 on a different machine, but it's one step at a time.  I still need to burn 18.04 onto a stick.
[20:00] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, I need to get these docs out in a couple of hours if not sooner.
[20:00] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: yeah fair enough, just curious
[20:02] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, someone in #linux suggested using 'convert', which basically does what I asked... however, now I have one long continuous .png that comes up under 1% zoom.  As I need to email it to non-technical people I'm concerned they see the tiny type and just ignore it.  Delete.  That would be really bad.
[20:08] <mojikun> EriC^^, its ESC for grub2 https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Simple-configuration.html
[20:08] <mojikun> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB/Tips_and_tricks#Hidden_menu
[20:09] <mojikun> please advise people correctly, i have been trying several times with wrong info from the web and from people on irc
[20:18] <AlexPortable> Sometimes ubuntu can't find internet, after a reboot of the computer, unplugging the cable waiting some time and plugging it again it works. Right now it's happening, which commands can i do to diagnose the issue? Ping yields 'network unreachable'
[20:20] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, look at dmesg?
[20:21] <AlexPortable> just dmesg ? or should i grep for something
[20:21] <lordcirth> I would just look at the last bit, when it stopped working
[20:22] <teward> i would also see if you can ping your gateway / router when it stops working too
[20:22] <teward> if you can ping the gateway/router but not the Internet chances are something's up with the gateway/router or your ISP
[20:23] <teward> but it could also be hardware so check dmesg
[20:24] <RonaldsMazitis> hey I'm doing video editing on ubuntu, using kdenlive, how do I render video without black bars?
[20:24] <sparr> TJ-: the two calls to config on the web page are identical because config reads /boot/grub/grub.cfg while the change between the two calls is to /etc/default/grub
[20:25] <apb1963> marcustomlinson, OK I like to close the loop on these things so that everyone learns a little bit.  The answer for me was two-fold.  First, use "convert -append *.png /tmp/appended.pdf" (which stuffs all the files into the pdf) then if there's an error, read https://stackoverflow.com/a/52717932 to fix it; which is info regarding giving permissions via imageMagick policy file.  Yeesh.  But it worked.
[20:25] <sparr> TJ-: and I still can't figure out where my `acpi_osi=Linux` is coming from
[20:26] <AlexPortable> lordcirth: https://pastebin.com/TUT8Vti9
[20:26] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, that shows you are resuming from sleep?
[20:26] <AlexPortable> you told me to show dmesg
[20:27] <sparr> TJ-: and it looks like the downloadable script also shows two unchanged lines?
[20:27] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, yes, and it says your computer just woke from sleep. I bet that's related.
[20:27] <AlexPortable> well waking it from sleep repairs it
[20:27] <AlexPortable> but why does it say this enp0s25 NIC Link is Up 10 Mbps Full Duplex
[20:27] <lordcirth> Ok, that's odd.
[20:28] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, install ethtool and run "ethtool enp0s25"
[20:29] <AlexPortable> https://pastebin.com/iDnZL24t
[20:30] <AlexPortable> lordcirth: ^
[20:31] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, ok, so it's autonegotiated gigabit, as it should.
[20:32] <AlexPortable> yes
[20:32] <AlexPortable> but why isn't it working then
[20:32] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, what Ubuntu version?
[20:32] <AlexPortable> 18.04.2
[20:33] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, and you are on Ubuntu Desktop, using networkmanager?
[20:33] <AlexPortable> using gnome-session-flashback if that matters
[20:33] <FLXX> hi
[20:34] <kostkon> FLXX, hi
[20:34] <AlexPortable> but it just disconnects randomly and tries to connect (the wifi icon is going up and down animation)
[20:35] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, you said that replugging the cable works. Do you have both ethernet and wifi set up?
[20:35] <AlexPortable> no wifi setup
[20:35] <AlexPortable> but it only works after leaving it out for like a minute or so
[20:35] <AlexPortable> also removing the power from the router seems to work (since that also disconnects the line for a minute)
[20:35] <FLXX> does one know, if VGA->hdmi via adapter is possible to stream HD videos (youtube, etc.) to a TV via hdmi-in?
[20:38] <lordcirth> FLXX, do you mean that your Ubuntu computer has a VGA port, and you have a VGA-to-HDMI adapter, and an HDMI TV?
[20:38] <AlexPortable> lordcirth: any suggestion?
[20:39] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, look in syslog, especially for NetworkManager entries
[20:39] <lordcirth> Actually, "journalctl -u NetworkManager" is better
[20:40] <FLXX> well at moment I do not have that PC
[20:40] <lordcirth> FLXX, ok, but that is what you meant? Because that would work fine.
[20:40] <FLXX> better: Laptop. I plan to buy one, but this only has VGA output
[20:41] <lordcirth> That sounds like an old laptop
[20:41] <AlexPortable> device added  iface: enp0s25): no ifupdown configuration found.
[20:41] <FLXX> it has an i5 Processor
[20:42] <FLXX> and 6 GB RAM
[20:42] <FLXX> intel GraCard
[20:42] <lordcirth> FLXX, there are 9 generations of i5's, but ok.
[20:42] <FLXX> oh
[20:42] <lordcirth> FLXX, anyway, yes, that will work
[20:42] <AlexPortable> FLXX: you are as specific as saying your car has a V6-cilinder
[20:42] <lordcirth> AlexPortable, nothing else?
[20:42] <AlexPortable> lordcirth: i'll hve to look at the moment it's broken in journalctl then
[20:47] <marcustomlinson> apb1963: well done for figuring that out :)
[20:56] <sparr> TJ-: mystery solved! I knew about /etc/grub.d/ but not /etc/default/grub.d/
[21:07] <maszlo> Bashing-om: I will update on Nvidia when get home from the office.
[21:15] <tonyt> is ubuntu debian?
[21:17] <jeremy31> tonyt: Debian based
[21:17] <tonyt> k
[21:17] <Thr0r> Hi! I am going to use Ubuntu as my main OS. I have read that one does not need a virus protection program or a special FireWall for Linux because of frequent update of the OS (I have Daily updates enabled). Is that true and do they even exitst? - the virus and firewall programs?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> !virus | Thr0r
[21:24] <Thr0r> Bashing-om: & ubottu: Ok thanks - what about a firewall - is that "built-in" in Linux?
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Thr0r: The firewall is there ,, but you must set it up to your particulars if you have the need of it.
[21:27] <Bashing-om> !firewall | Thr0r
[21:30] <Thr0r> Bashing-om: & ubottu:  OK - Many thanks! - I have a long way to go to fully understand Linux and Ubuntu.
[21:30] <thingfish> don't we all.
[21:31] <Bashing-om> Thr0r: 10 years here on ubuntu .. I hope the day never comes I do not learn something new.
[21:32] <Thr0r> Bashing-om: HeHe ok..
[21:32] <maszlo> Bashing-om: worked like a charm, thanks for your help fixing that driver issue
[21:33] <Bashing-om> maszlo: \o/ Pleased you came back and advised :)
[21:40] <maszlo> now i might have one more question.. what is the recommended software to use for ups shut down.  apcupsd or nut?
[21:40] <maszlo> old serial style data port lol
[21:42] <Bashing-om> maszlo: Nam not advise on that one - here (u)ninterruptable (P)ower (S)suuply "just works" .
[21:43] <plongshot>  just started using byobu and have only opened it a few times now. I like it but I'm having a problem I don't know where to look.
[21:43] <plongshot> byobu is not showing all output and I'm not sure what to look up but I'm not getting the results I'm looking for. Can anyone offer suggestion where to look for the problem?
[21:44] <Boyette> hi
[21:44] <maszlo> Bashing-om: Mine normally works when under an hour outage.  I know this is not the root of my issue why things stopped working, but not rebooting after new kernel :)
[22:14] <OerHeks> kernel update ..
[22:17] <air_> gigabyte brix 4105
[22:19] <air_> stroke
[22:45] <tynx> Hi, I'm on Kubuntu and wondering whether I can set custom combinations for the Compose Key somehow? I want Compose + "-" to make this: ȳ
[22:45] <tynx> Right now it is making this ---> ¥ which I don't need
[22:46] <tynx> Compose + y + - I meant, sorry
[22:46] <FreeBDSM> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-chromium-browser-deb-to-snap-transition/11179    omg, why?
[22:47] <xamithan> https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/ComposeKey
[22:48] <OerHeks> FreeBDSM, why do you ask why?
[22:48] <FreeBDSM> OerHeks: cause I use chromium and I hate snaps
[22:49] <OerHeks> then don't read it.
[22:49] <OerHeks> and don't use it to spread your hate opinion, unfunded
[22:49] <FreeBDSM> it won't go away if I close my eyes
[22:54] <apb1963> I can't get file manager to open... it spins for a bit and then disappears.  *poof*
[22:54] <apb1963> 16.04
[22:56] <apb1963> not seeing anything relevant in the wordy syslog file
[22:56] <apb1963> just lots & lots of systemd msgs
[22:57] <xamithan> Open it on command line and output error to file ?
[22:57] <apb1963> xamithan, if I knew what it was called :)
[22:57] <xamithan> You don't know what file manager you are using ?
[22:57] <apb1963> nope
[22:58] <xamithan> If you didn't change it,  you can tell by what DE you are using
[22:58] <apb1963> I hardly ever use it and it's what the default is
[22:58] <apb1963> Unity
[22:58] <xamithan> Probably nautilus
[22:58] <apb1963> 'k
[23:02] <apb1963> xamithan, https://pastebin.com/ZVm1U9rx
[23:03] <truexfan81> will we be getting a kernel update on 19.04 to patch this? https://github.com/Netflix/security-bulletins/blob/master/advisories/third-party/2019-001.md
[23:04] <apb1963> Apparently it's harmless little stuff *cough* :)  (nautilus:27470): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_interface_skeleton_unexport: assertion 'interface_->priv->connections != NULL' failed
[23:04] <xamithan> Well this is the first thing that pops up in a search: https://askubuntu.com/questions/788182/nautilus-not-opening-up-showing-glib-error
[23:05] <OerHeks> apb1963, just warnings..
[23:08] <OerHeks> apb1963, kill process 27470 and see if it solves
[23:09] <apb1963> xamithan, ouch.  Checking to see if it was running was the first thing I wanted to try, but I didn't know the name.    Anyway, thanks :)
[23:09] <dax> truexfan81: it already got one: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4017-1/
[23:09] <apb1963> OerHeks, CRITICAL warnings on an assertion?  hmmm
[23:09] <apb1963> OerHeks, actually yes... it was already running elsewhere.... too many things going on here.  Thanks for the help!
[23:10] <OerHeks> i guess some inodes are being held hostage
[23:10] <apb1963> OerHeks, I didn't get a ransom note so i don't know. :)
[23:11] <apb1963> Anyway, back to work.  Thanks gang :)
[23:11] <dax> truexfan81: (that covers two out of the three, anyway. the pages to watch for  CVE-2019-11479 are https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2019/CVE-2019-11479.html and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1832286 )
[23:11] <tynx> Okay, I did what the tutorial said and wrote this: "<Multi_key> <minus> <y> : "ȳ" U0233 # Compose - y" into the ~/.XCompose file. I can make ȳ with Copose + "-" + y now, BUT now the Compose key in general only works in Non-KDE applications like Chromium and Libreoffice. It doesn't work in KDE applications like Kwrite or Calligra Words anymore. :(
[23:12] <tynx> The KDE System Settings still have the Compose Key activated and set to the correct key
[23:33] <ChiLLabiS> Beware of the latest padoka dev repo. They are messing up the computer..
[23:38] <OerHeks> ChiLLabiS, no need for warnings against unstable ppa's
[23:38] <ChiLLabiS> okay then
[23:38] <Thr0r> I have been using "rufus-3.5.exe" in Windows 7  to build bootable USB's from downloaded Ubuntu *.iso files in order to install the various Ubuntu flavors. Is there a similar program in Ubuntu/Linux that does the same just as easy?
[23:38] <OerHeks> there is padoka stable, still it is a 3rd party thingy
[23:38] <OerHeks> Thomas_Wolf, ubuntu usb creator does the same
[23:39] <OerHeks> err Thr0r ^^
[23:39] <OerHeks> standard installed, else etcher https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/etcher-usb-image-burner-tool-linux-open-source
[23:40] <jakeajake> hello
[23:40] <jakeajake> requesting help w/ Ubuntu 16.04.  anyone know how to fix VPN greyed out w/ LXDE
[23:42] <Thr0r> OerHeks: "Err Thr0r" - Witch is it? Thomas_Wolf or ?
[23:43] <OerHeks> my [tab] went wrong :-)
[23:43] <Thr0r> OerHeks: (I'm on Ubuntu studio and Xubuntu Latest)
[23:44] <OerHeks> i think usb-creator is installed on studio too?
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> OerHeks: I'm pretty sure it's not.
[23:49]  * Eickmeyer isn't running Studio at the moment
[23:49] <Thr0r> OerHeks: Well - it doesn't come up anything when I search for it... What's it's excact name?
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> !info usb-creator-gtk
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> !info usb-creator
[23:52] <OerHeks> -gtk is the one
[23:52] <OerHeks> !find usb-creator
[23:54] <Thr0r> OerHeks: & Eickmeyer: & ubottu:  - Thr0r is slightly confused... :-/
[23:56] <Eickmeyer> Thr0r: You need to install usb-creator-gtk if you want to create a USB from an ISO using Ubuntu. That's the one that's installed by default in Ubuntu (proper). Ubuntu Studio and Xubuntu do not have it installed by default, so it has to be installed manualy.
[23:56] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install usb-creator-gtk
[23:56] <sarnold> well, strictly speaking, you can just use dd. you don't have to use the gui. but if you want a gui, that's the one to use.
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: Thr0r is a brand new user, wants to stick to GUI apps as much as possible.
[23:57] <OerHeks> or  dd if=/path/to/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync
[23:59] <ChiLLabiS> OerHeks: What ppa do you recommend for radeoncards?


[13:42] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, around ?
[13:42] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: o/
[13:43] <smoser> hey. i started going through the open cloud-init bugs
[13:43] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/?orderby=-id&start=0
[13:43] <smoser> there are some that seem really nice to have fixed towards the top of that list.
[13:43] <smoser> wonder if you wanted to take a peak. some very low hanging fruit.
[18:05] <larsks> smoser: current sources are in github or lp these days?  Or are those two still diverged ?
[18:31] <harlowja> suro-patz did u figure out what u needed to?
[18:31] <harlowja> i've been busy (just started at new place)
[20:37] <suro-patz> harlowja: yep! No worries …
[20:38] <harlowja> suro-patz cools
[20:38] <harlowja> finding my legs here
[20:38] <harlowja> and all that...
[20:39] <suro-patz> harlowja: and I got to know cloud-init lot more closely in last one week :)
[20:40] <harlowja> lol
[23:52] <smoser> larsks, lp:cloud-init is upstream
[23:52] <smoser> i will get to git in launchpad sometime.
[23:55] <harlowja> smoser  yaaa git in launchpad ;)
[23:55] <smoser> harlowja, yaaaa harlowja_at_home gone.
[23:55] <smoser> that guy was useless
[23:56] <harlowja> lol
[23:56] <harlowja> def
[23:56] <smoser> hope you're liking the new digs.
[23:56] <harlowja> getting adapted
[23:56] <harlowja> so far so good
[23:57] <harlowja> gotta find my balance, otherwise ok
[23:58] <smoser> slow learner :)
[23:58] <harlowja> def
[23:58] <harlowja> lol


[15:40]  * kdub wonders about getting ubuntu membership
[15:41] <philballew> Go for it
[15:42] <kdub> yeah... guess it won't hurt
[15:43] <philballew> True
[15:43] <kdub> we should do an ubuntu hour soon
[15:43] <kdub> let me know when the semester startup activity dies down a bit
[15:44] <philballew> Yes, probably by the end of this week i should be more "free"
[18:32] <bkerensa> philballew: you get sponsored?
[18:35]  * kdub can try poke people to get philballew sponsored too
[21:40] <philballew> bkerensa, totally noy.
[21:41] <bkerensa> philballew:  hmm?
[21:41] <philballew> kdub, I would love that if you did
[21:41] <philballew> bkerensa, Guess I am not cool enough
[21:41] <bkerensa> philballew: Sponsorship is based on a vote by Engineering Managers and Jono
[21:42] <philballew> bkerensa, Its true
[21:42] <bkerensa> Engineering Managers look at Launchpad to guage contributions and vote based on that
[21:42] <bkerensa> Jono likely votes based on community contributions (not totally sure)
[21:42] <bkerensa> but I know the two engineering managers here in pdx I asked about voting said they only vote up if they see commits otherwise they do not give a vote eitherway
[21:43] <philballew> Yeah, that makes sense.
[21:43] <bkerensa> philballew: but they didnt deny you did they?
[21:44] <philballew> no.
[21:44] <philballew> I have not gotten denied, but I think Ill get that tonight
[21:44] <bkerensa> philballew: have notices even went out yet?
[21:45] <philballew> yes, they went out today for people getting sponsored.
[21:45] <philballew> who knows bkerensa
[21:45] <bkerensa> philballew: I didnt get my notice for Q until the day after everyone got theirs
[21:46] <philballew> hum, Maybe they are waiting on me because I am super awesome?
[21:46] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:47] <bkerensa> In reality if its your first time to UDS and your a member that alone can give you pretty much enough votes for sponsorship
[21:47] <bkerensa> but you lose the votes for first time if its not your first time
[21:47] <bkerensa> I think its +3 for first time and +1 for member
[21:48] <philballew> Im juat not cool enough
[21:48] <philballew> *just
[22:27] <philballew> kdub, so im gonna have a sd ubuntu hour in a couple Wednesday nights from now. 19th maybe.
[22:27] <philballew> *an


[07:20] <ara> morning all
[07:52] <primes2h> ara: fader_: g. morning.
[08:10] <ara> bon giorno primes2h
[09:25] <ara> mvo_, hello
[09:25] <mvo_> hello ara
[09:25] <ara> mvo_, how are you doing?
[09:26] <mvo_> I'm good thanks :) how are you?
[09:26] <ara> mvo_, good, good, thanks :)
[09:27] <ara> mvo_, I am reorganizing the QA landing page and I would like to include links to several reports, including yours about automated upgrades
[09:27] <ara> http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current-stable/  points to the latests stable to updates
[09:27] <ara> but, do you have a similar link (current) for the rest of upgrades?
[09:27] <ara> I am unsure where  to point at
[09:28] <mvo_> yes:  http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/
[09:28] <ara> mvo_, thanks! exactly what I was looking for
[09:29] <mvo_> cheers!
[14:51] <amorphous1> cr3, do you know why this test "/usr/share/checkbox/scripts/udev_resource" could froze a computer?
[14:55] <cr3> amorphous1: the problem is that this is not a test but rather just resource gathering by going through the sysfs
[15:07] <amorphous1> cr3: When he runs it from a live-cd it doesn't freeze. Moreover, I told him to mount the internal drive on the live-cd session so that all his hardware is connected.
[15:08] <cr3> amorphous1: this person is experiencing other problems, right? sounds like there's a hardware problem and going through sysfs touches that problem
[15:08] <cr3> where hardware problem could either be physical or a driver
[15:09] <cr3> where different drivers might be used on the installed system and on the live-cd
[15:09] <cr3> amorphous1: so, if everything works wonderfully on the live-cd, I'd compare the output of lsmod and I'd also compare the kernel version being used in the respective environments
[16:06] <davmor2> hello ara, fader_, cr3
[16:06] <fader_> davmor2: hey dude
[16:06] <ara> hey davmor2, fader_, cr3!
[16:10] <fader_> ara: ¡Hola!
[16:12] <cr3> hola munachos
[16:19] <jpds> munachos?
[16:31] <cr3> jpds: combination of muchachos and nachos
[16:31] <fader_> Mmm... nachos
[17:56] <ara> QA meeting in 4 minutes at #ubuntu-quality
[22:41] <rattboi> hey-o
[22:42] <rattboi> I tried running Maverick nightly build from yesterday off a liveUSB, and ran into problems during startup on my laptop
[22:44] <rattboi> I couldn't get it to start up unless I used the grub option acpi=off
[22:45] <rattboi> people mention that often for older equipment, I hear. but this is a new laptop
[22:46] <fader_> rattboi: Could you please file a bug by opening a terminal and typing "ubuntu-bug linux"?
[22:47] <fader_> That's the best way to gather the information for developers to look at
[22:47] <rattboi> I'm back in my default Lucid now. I need to do it from within the maverick live session?
[22:47] <fader_> rattboi: Yes, please
[22:47] <rattboi> is there a default IRC client w/ maverick?
[22:48] <fader_> rattboi: Incidentally you might also want to ask in #ubuntu+1... that's the main channel where people discuss the development version.  This channel is usually used for coordinating testing or test development, and is pretty quiet at the moment :)
[22:48] <fader_> I believe empathy does IRC and it is included
[22:49] <fader_> Otherwise you can apt-get install xchat in the live environment :)
[22:49] <rattboi> ok. I'll try that then
[22:49] <fader_> rattboi: Thanks for the report!
[22:49] <rattboi> it seemed like most things were working even though acpi was off. I think the main issue is to do with the fact that my lappy has hybrid intel/ati graphics
[22:56] <rattboi> hey, I was just here. What was that command to run for a report?
[22:57] <fader_> rattboi: "ubuntu-bug linux"
[22:57] <fader_> ubuntu-bug <package_name> should generally collect the relevant information and automatically create a bug and attach the info
[22:57] <fader_> Then you just log into launchpad and add a description... nice and easy :)
[22:57] <rattboi> thanks. since acpi=off fixes it, would that be more related to graphics or kernel config?
[22:58] <fader_> I'd start with kernel, so use "linux" as the package... if they need to reassign it they can after reviewing the bug
[22:58] <rattboi> oh, I never mentioned the problem. It boots, shows for a second, then the screen goes blank.
[22:58] <fader_> Ah, hmm.  That's ugly.
[22:58] <rattboi> everything sounds like it works otherwise
[22:58] <rattboi> but with acpi=off, it boots normal
[22:59] <fader_> Yeah, it really sounds like it's in the kernel if it's affected by ACPI settings
[23:46] <Psychodelius> wow
[23:46] <Psychodelius> this is a much smaller room compared to the main ubuntu room
[23:47] <Psychodelius> haha
[23:47] <Psychodelius> Everyone, just an intro on myself
[23:47] <Psychodelius> I am Benjamin Chen, or just Benny, from Australia
[23:48] <Psychodelius> I have just joined testing, and would love to get involved.
[23:49] <Psychodelius> I am currently working as an IT helpdesk
[23:49] <Psychodelius> and starting to learn a lot more about software dev and testing
[23:49] <Psychodelius> I would love to learn from you all