[05:41] <mup_> PR operator#268 closed: docs: rtd uses 'sphinx<2', which is slightly different <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/268>


[07:41] <coconut> What is the difference in the blueman-applet between "audio sink" and "handsfree"?
[08:19] <draconicice> hello guys
[08:20] <draconicice> i am having an issue where running xset dpms force off or force standby is only turning of one of my monitors
[08:20] <draconicice> the other monitor is stuck showing "Check video cable"
[08:20] <draconicice> whereas when letting the xfce power manager handle displayoff, both monitors do shut off normally
[08:34] <jertop> Why did I get a black screen after clicking the lock screen? then no matter how I get it, it doesn't light up.
[08:43] <jertop> I searched for it that I found this  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=783482
[08:43] <jertop> Ten generations have not been resolved
[08:44] <jertop> amazing
[08:45] <jertop> Are you only developing on a virtual machine?
[09:58] <bluesabre> coconut: "audio sink" uses A2DP for high-quality audio output, but does not support audio input (microphone). "handsfree" uses a lower-quality audio output and allows input as well, but you don't want to use that for music, most likely :)
[11:23] <poopy79> ppppppppp
[17:33] <Nate17> Hi folks, I'm writing this from my Chromebook because my Xubuntu is doing very strange. I have my Lenovo G50-70 turned into a Xubuntu
[17:34] <Nate17> Latest version, I did it yesterday. But now my cursor spontaneous goes other places while im typing.
[17:34] <Nate17> Very annoying! Sometimes it goes to another sentence, sometimes it goes to the beginning of a word.
[17:35] <Nate17> I don't have a mouse attached, or anything like that. By purpose I Typed very slowly and did see it simply go its own way. How can I fix that?
[17:38] <diogenes_> Nate17, try this: http://i.imgur.com/HIuLHiB.png
[17:38] <diogenes_> choose disable.
[17:39] <diogenes_> i bet it's setup as circular scrolling, that's the most annoying behavior.


[04:58] <bluefoxicy> I want oops insurance
[04:59] <bluefoxicy> when my kernel oopses I want it to file a bug and mail the full oops output to every kernel dev so I KNOW they're fixing it  :D
[05:30] <infinity> bluefoxicy: Every time I commit a fix for something, I want it instantly forced on every user's machine, and I want them to be forced to test it immediately.  (Also, we can't always get what we want)
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> infinity:  it was a joke
[05:31] <infinity> So was mine.  Sort of. ;)
[05:31] <bluefoxicy> infinity:  although instant testing would be nice ;)
[10:05] <dilinger> infinity: i'd like every user to accompany their bug reports w/ patches that solve the problem.  also, a pony.  i want a pony.
[10:09] <Mithrandir> dilinger: what colour?
[10:11] <dilinger> blue
[10:49] <dilinger> [  123.737130]  Call Trace: [ffffffff802e0e15]  schedule_timeout+0x25/0xd0
[10:49] <dilinger> [  123.737143]   [ffffffff8014b803]  prepare_to_wait+0x23/0x80
[10:49] <dilinger> [  123.737148]   [ffffffff802dc383]  unix_stream_recvmsg+0x2c3/0x5d0
[10:49] <dilinger> [  123.737155]   [ffffffff8014b550]  autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x30
[10:50] <dilinger> hey look, it's an almost readable backtrace, just like i386 and sparc64
[11:19] <dilinger> ugh, is that intentional?
[11:19] <dilinger> dmesg output:
[11:19] <dilinger> [   82.375220]   [<ffffffff8019adc0>]  __pollwait+0x0/0xf0
[11:19] <dilinger> syslog (kern.log):
[11:19] <dilinger> Feb 24 05:15:42 throat kernel: [   82.375220]   [__pollwait+0/240]  __pollwait+0x0/0xf0
[12:16] <mjg59> BenC: Why the change to CONFIG_2GB?
[01:17] <doko> is it intended for a server setup that the hard disk spin down after activity? and if yes, that period seems to be too short
[01:31] <BenC> doko: that would be one of the startup scripts doing that, or it's your bios
[01:31] <BenC> mjg59: mainly to allow laptops with 1GB of ram to still be able to suspend/resume
[01:31] <doko> BenC: no, did start sometime in the dapper cycle
[01:32] <BenC> doko: has to be a startup script then...not sure which one though
[01:32] <mjg59> BenC: Eh?
[01:32] <mjg59> BenC: Suspend/resume should work with highmem...
[01:32] <BenC> mjg59: I've had reports that it doesn't, also read it somewhere
[01:32] <mjg59> BenC: How weird
[01:32] <mjg59> BenC: It has the side effect of breaking sbcl
[01:33] <BenC> yeah, it seems to be breaking more than it fixes
[01:33] <Mithrandir> when I get "recursive die() failure, output supressed", that's bad, right?
[01:33] <fabbione> hey BenC
[01:33] <BenC> hey fabbione
[01:33] <mjg59> BenC: Suspend to RAM or suspend to disk?
[01:33] <BenC> fabbione: I did silo last night, just forgot to upload new upstream tarball
[01:33] <Mithrandir> our current live CD seems exceedingly unhappy in vmware.
[01:33] <BenC> mjg59: can't recall, let me check
[01:34] <fabbione> BenC: please pull from my tree. changes: more sun4v love, config changes for sparc to move sunhme, sungem and esp from mod to inline to spare people a few errors in d-i
[01:34] <BenC> fabbione: those d-i problems were supposed to be fixed, I filed bugs :/
[01:35] <fabbione> BenC: i am talking about modprobe errors during install
[01:35] <BenC> fabbione: did you also make scsi/sd built-in aswell?
[01:35] <fabbione> no i didn't
[01:35] <BenC> what sort of modprobe errors?
[01:35] <fabbione> only sunhme, sungem and esp
[01:35] <fabbione> it's problem with the drivers
[01:35] <fabbione> when the hw is not there, they exit badly
[01:35] <fabbione> and d-i catch the error and show a big fat red screen to the user
[01:35] <fabbione> = scary
[01:36] <fabbione> bu
[01:36] <fabbione> BUT
[01:36] <fabbione> if they are compiled in, hw is still recognized
[01:36] <fabbione> and there is no need to modprobe them
[01:36] <fabbione> = works
[01:36] <BenC> gotcha
[01:37] <fabbione> BenC: i also added the sparc ABI files for 16.22 and 16.23
[01:38] <fabbione> and removed the abi checker
[01:38] <fabbione> sorry i meant the sparc.ignore
[01:38] <BenC> ok
[01:38] <fabbione> now it takes me about 20 minutes to build :)
[01:39] <BenC> how's the DC sparc hw coming?
[01:40] <BenC> 20 minutes? my machine can do it in 10 :)
[01:41] <BenC> btw, someone is giving me an e3.5k
[01:41] <BenC> not sure where I'll put it, or why I need it, but it's free
[01:41] <infinity> mjg59: swsusp is the one that supposedly doesn't work with > 1GB of RAM (according to reports on user lists and forums, etc), though it's worked in the past on my laptop with 2GB of RAM..
[01:42] <fabbione> BenC: 20 minutes including udebs and without ccache?
[01:42] <fabbione> BenC: 20 is full dpkg-buildpackage :)
[01:42] <infinity> BenC: Don't suppose they want to spend ridiculous sums to ship it to Australia?
[01:42] <fabbione> BenC: the machines are installed in a rack.. i think elmo crashed before installing anything on them
[01:42] <BenC> fabbione: full udebs, but ccache, yes
[01:43] <fabbione> kill ccache :)
[01:43] <fabbione> and we can talk ;)
[01:43] <BenC> infinity: maybe I can sneek it through customs in to germany in my duffle bag
[01:43] <infinity> BenC: You must have gotten a larger duffle bag since last we met...
[01:43] <BenC> I think It was 30 minutes without ccache
[01:43] <fabbione> Feb 24 04:40:30 sunrise udevd[2686] : get_netlink_msg: unable to receive kernel netlink message: No buffer space available
[01:44] <fabbione> HMM
[01:44] <fabbione> kernel or udev issue?
[01:44] <BenC> fabbione: AHA! someone else sees it aswell
[01:44] <BenC> that's been fucking up my e3k for weeks now
[01:44] <infinity> Blame davem.
[01:44] <BenC> it has to be kernel, I haven't seen it anywhere else
[01:45] <BenC> someone the netlink foo is returning ENOBUF but I can't see how
[01:45] <fabbione> BenC: AHHHHH
[01:45] <BenC> s/someone/somewhere/
[01:45] <fabbione> crap
[01:45] <fabbione> i will blame davem :)
[01:46] <infinity> Or, blame davem's girlfriend.  She's too distracting.
[01:46] <BenC> infinity: s/duffle bag/empty crago hold/
[01:46] <fabbione> because it looks like udevplug is triggering that thing exactly when it needs to probe the network driver
[01:46] <BenC> fabbione: for me it occurs when it needs to load sd_mod, which means I have to manually bring the machine past initrd stage
[01:47] <fabbione> ok..
[01:47] <fabbione> so it's random..
[01:47] <fabbione> good to know
[01:47] <fabbione> david will love to fix that :)
[01:47] <BenC> not really, for me sd_mod is the first thing it is trying to do
[01:48] <fabbione> the netdriver is not the first
[01:48] <fabbione> it's way past that i think
[01:48] <fabbione> but i collected all the infos together
[01:48] <BenC> it's probably the first thing that requires a kernel event
[01:50] <fabbione> could be
[01:53] <fabbione> BenC: btw.. silo is up
[01:53] <fabbione> uploaded this morning
[02:11] <BenC> yeah, saw that
[02:12] <fabbione> cool
[02:12] <fabbione> hey Keybuk
[02:12] <fabbione> i was just waiting for you
[02:12] <fabbione> Keybuk: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/sparc/
[02:12] <fabbione> this is the error i am getting on sparc
[02:13] <fabbione> there is lspci, the error in syslog and the strace of both udevd and udevplug
[02:13] <fabbione> each time i run udevplug i can reproduce the error
[02:13] <fabbione> what i see at each reboot is network not loaded (e1000)
[02:13] <fabbione> but BenC for instance has no sd_mod
[02:14] <fabbione> BenC: i also fixed hw-detect and Mithrandir did kbd-chooser
[02:15] <fabbione> the latter will make that annoying error disappear when you don't have a keyboard installed
[02:15] <BenC> so hw-detect should find my sbus devices now?
[02:15] <fabbione> BenC: only after you will upload the new kernel...
[02:15] <fabbione> that has esp built in
[02:15] <BenC> well that's no help, new kernel will make my sbus modules built-in :P
[02:16] <Keybuk> cute, that error message isn't listed in the recv() manpage
[02:16] <Keybuk> ENOBUFS
[02:16] <fabbione> BenC: i will look at hw-detect in debian and see what they have
[02:16] <BenC> Keybuk: that error is from the netlink core
[02:16] <Keybuk> BenC: how do we avoid that error?
[02:16] <fabbione> BenC: otherwise yeah. i guess that's the solution :/
[02:16] <BenC> Keybuk: I couldn't figure out why it happened
[02:16] <BenC> netlink code is so confusing
[02:17] <Keybuk> could it be that the kernel overflowed the netlink buffer space
[02:17] <BenC> fabbione: they have a working libdetect that correctly descends secondary sbus busses :)
[02:17] <BenC> Keybuk: seems that it some how does
[02:18] <fabbione> BenC: what package is that?
[02:19] <BenC> fabbione: detect or libdetect or something like that
[02:19] <BenC> from what I remember, we don't use the same thing they do to detect devices
[02:19] <fabbione> BenC: oh you mean discover?
[02:19] <BenC> yeah, that's it
[02:19] <fabbione> they did get rid of it
[02:20] <fabbione> and the fix for the double sbus was merged in breezy under my "heavy" pressure
[02:20] <Keybuk> BenC: what's BUFFER_SIZE in lib/kobject_uevent.c ?
[02:21] <Keybuk> (that's the size allowed for a single uevent)
[02:21] <BenC> Keybuk: no idea, but there is no ENOBUFS in that code, so I think it's elsewhere
[02:22] <Keybuk> it could be that it's trying to generate a uevent that's too big
[02:22] <Keybuk> or it could that it's queuing too many uevents, and udevd isn't getting enough cpu time to slurp them all
[02:22] <BenC> the BUFFER_SIZE overun case returns ENOMEM
[02:22] <fabbione> it's probably the latter
[02:22] <fabbione> too many events
[02:23] <BenC> net/netlink/genetlinks:ctrl_build_msg() returns ENOBUFS
[02:24] <BenC> and so does net/netlink/af_netlink:netlink_overrun()
[02:24] <BenC> it's probably the second one generating the error
[02:24] <Keybuk> that function's called in a few places
[02:25] <fabbione> Keybuk: is it possible to build udevplug to wait let say half second between sending each event?
[02:25] <fabbione> that would exclude the "too many events at once"
[02:25] <Keybuk> fabbione: you'd be in the ten-minutes-to-boot area with that delay
[02:25] <fabbione> Keybuk: i don't need to run at it boot :)
[02:25] <fabbione> i can test it in userland
[02:25] <fabbione> i get the same error
[02:26] <fabbione> in both situation
[02:26] <fabbione> 10 minutes.. no problem ;)
[02:26] <Keybuk> run "udevplug -s" to test if that's the case
[02:26] <Keybuk> that waits for the previous event to be processed before sending the next
[02:26] <fabbione> what does -s do?
[02:26] <fabbione> ok
[02:26] <fabbione> sure i can do
[02:26] <fabbione> in a few minutes..
[02:26] <fabbione> i am enjoying this extremely cleaned up d-i
[02:27] <Keybuk> BenC: could be caused by nlmsg_new not returning a message, though I can't find that function
[02:27] <BenC> do_one_broadcast() also has a few failure points
[02:27] <Keybuk> static inline struct sk_buff *nlmsg_new(int size)
[02:27] <Keybuk> {
[02:27] <Keybuk>         return alloc_skb(NLMSG_GOODSIZE, GFP_KERNEL);
[02:27] <Keybuk> }
[02:28] <BenC> netlink_broadcast_deliver() seems like a likely candidate
[02:29] <Keybuk> yeah, there's a whole bunch of them there
[02:29] <BenC> it tries to push one to the queue
[02:29] <Keybuk> if only we could tag it so we knew which one it was
[02:29] <BenC> if fabio's test doesn't prove anything I'll start sprinkling some printk's to find out where it is failing
[02:29] <Keybuk> ah, that pushes into an actual socket rcvbuf ... so if that was full, then it wouldn't fit
[02:29] <BenC> right
[02:30] <Keybuk> interesting that this has only affected sparc so far though
[02:30] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:30] <BenC> hey, can you increase udev's socket bufsize?
[02:30] <fabbione> Keybuk: it might be a cpu speed issue?
[02:30] <Keybuk> I'd've thought an amd64 would show up more
[02:30] <BenC> Keybuk: sparc64 is slower
[02:30] <Keybuk> ahh, of course, sparc is slower so udevd gets less time because the kernel is using it all
[02:30] <BenC> it's odd that it happens on a 6-way system though
[02:30] <Keybuk> BenC: remind me how to do that
[02:31] <BenC> my sparc64 has 6 cpu's and 6gigs of ram :/
[02:31] <Keybuk> it's a setsockopt isn't it?
[02:31] <fabbione> "mine" only 32 CPUs and 16GB of ram
[02:31] <Keybuk> fabbione: cat /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_default
[02:32] <fabbione> Keybuk: you will have to wait.. i am in the middle of testing parted.. just a few minutes
[02:32] <BenC> Keybuk: maybe setsockopt(), let me check
[02:33] <fabbione> rebooting now...
[02:33] <BenC> fabbione: maybe we have just too much memory/cpu and it's confusing udev :)
[02:33] <fabbione> BenC: possibly
[02:33] <fabbione> BenC: these udev hackers and their laptops
[02:33] <BenC> lol
[02:33] <BenC> Keybuk: IIRC, you can set the buffer to a local one
[02:35] <BenC> SO_RCVBUF maybe
[02:37] <Keybuk> it already sets that SO_RCVBUFFORCE thing
[02:38] <BenC> what does that do?
[02:39] <Keybuk> dunno
[02:40] <fabbione> re
[02:40] <Keybuk> ah
[02:40] <Keybuk> got it, sets the rcvbuf and forces it over the maximum if necessary
[02:41] <Keybuk>         const int buffersize = 16 * 1024 * 1024;
[02:41] <fabbione> Keybuk: ok.. now i am without network
[02:41] <Keybuk>         setsockopt(uevent_netlink_sock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVBUFFORCE, &buffersize, sizeof(buffersize));
[02:41] <Keybuk> so that forces the rcvbuf of that socket to 16MB
[02:41] <fabbione> root@sunrise:~# cat /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max /proc/sys/net/core/rmem_default
[02:41] <fabbione> 131071
[02:41] <fabbione> 124928
[02:41] <Keybuk> which is roughly 16,000 uevents
[02:41] <BenC> Keybuk: maybe that's broken on sparc
[02:42] <fabbione> BenC: or events are bigger?
[02:42] <Keybuk> events are fixed at 1024 in the kernel and in udev
[02:42] <Keybuk> fabbione: try "udevplug -s -v | tee events.txt" then count how many lines you get :)
[02:43] <fabbione> Keybuk: udevplug -s is running
[02:43] <Keybuk> ah, ok
[02:43] <fabbione> i can do that later again :)
[02:43] <fabbione> the error did always appear before..
[02:44] <fabbione> so one run more or less won't cahnge my life
[02:45] <Keybuk> ok
[02:45] <BenC> Keybuk: are you checking the return value of setsockopt()?
[02:45] <Keybuk> see whether it appears this run first
[02:46] <Keybuk> BenC: no...
[02:46] <BenC> it may be failing
[02:46] <Keybuk> BenC: looking at the code, it can only fail with -EPERM
[02:47] <BenC> yeah, but it could also be something as stupid as a signed extension or 32/64 value that is getting junked and causing it to be set at minimum bufsiz
[02:47] <BenC> but that wouldn't error out
[02:47] <BenC> amd64 isn't doing this in 32-bit
[02:47] <fabbione> Keybuk: it looks like that the run did not generate the error, but it still doesn't bring up the network
[02:48] <fabbione> BenC: amd64 doesn't need memory to be alligned at 64 bit
[02:48] <fabbione> that can cause issues
[02:48] <fabbione> like it was with apt in breezy
[02:48] <BenC> no, I mean amd64 isn't pushing this through a compat layer
[02:48] <fabbione> yes i understand
[02:48] <fabbione> are we?
[02:48] <fabbione> yes
[02:48] <fabbione> i think..
[02:49] <fabbione> Keybuk: i have the events file..
[02:50] <Keybuk> fabbione: just "wc -l" it
[02:50] <fabbione> wc -l events.txt
[02:50] <fabbione> 0 events.txt
[02:50] <zul> heyl
[02:50] <fabbione> ?
[02:50] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:50] <BenC> looks like it just pushes it through as a compat, no translation
[02:51] <Keybuk> fabbione: you ran with -v ?
[02:51] <fabbione> udevplug -s -v | tee events.txt
[02:51] <Keybuk> weird
[02:51] <fabbione> exactly as you wrote it
[02:51] <Keybuk> dunno why that didn't give you anything
[02:51] <Keybuk> does it without the | tee ?
[02:51] <Keybuk> ie just udevplug -s -v ?
[02:51] <fabbione> yeah
[02:51] <BenC> Keybuk: doesn't give me anything on my amd64 box either
[02:52] <fabbione> udevplug -s -v | wc -l
[02:52] <Keybuk> fabbione: is /sys mounted? :)
[02:52] <BenC> ah, are you in a chroot?
[02:52] <fabbione> Keybuk: you joking right? it's ubuntu running system 100%
[02:52] <fabbione> no chroot
[02:52] <Keybuk> find /sys -name uevent
[02:53] <fabbione> find /sys -name uevent | wc -l
[02:53] <fabbione> 730
[02:53] <Keybuk> BenC: it works just fine on mine, I get a huge number of /sys lines printed
[02:53] <BenC> I do now that /sys is mounted
[02:54] <BenC> I need a serial console to my sparc so I can test this stuff too
[02:54] <Keybuk> fabbione: what about just "udevplug -v" does that print anything?
[02:54] <BenC> I ran udevplug under linux32 in an i386 chroot on my amd64, which should use the same codepath as sparc, and it was just fine
[02:55] <fabbione> Keybuk: checking in a sec
[02:55] <Keybuk> BenC: yeah, I've just done the same
[02:55] <Keybuk> quest scott# time udevplug -v | wc -l
[02:55] <Keybuk> 773
[02:55] <Keybuk> udevplug -v  0.01s user 0.03s system 2% cpu 1.685 total
[02:55] <fabbione> hmm
[02:55] <fabbione> it's taking too long
[02:56] <Keybuk> fabbione: check you don't have an empty /dev/.udev/queue directory (just sudo rmdir it)
[02:56] <fabbione> Keybuk: yeah that's where i was sticking my nose :)
[02:56] <Keybuk> that's a common failure mode of previous udevd
[02:56] <fabbione> time udevplug -v | wc -l
[02:56] <fabbione> 735
[02:56] <fabbione> real    0m1.093s
[02:56] <fabbione> user    0m0.048s
[02:56] <fabbione> sys     0m0.164s
[02:56] <Keybuk> could also explain why -s doesn't work (it's also waiting for that to go away first, and just times out after three minutes)
[02:56] <Keybuk> ok
[02:56] <fabbione> so now
[02:57] <fabbione> let's try again the -s
[02:57] <Keybuk> well, you don't have any more events than my amd64, slightly less in fact
[02:57] <fabbione> i got the error in syslog
[02:57] <Keybuk> those should take only 735,000 bytes of memory to hold in the kernel
[02:57] <Keybuk> BenC: do you know of a way to find out the size of a socket from userspace?
[02:57] <Keybuk> lsof?
[02:58] <fabbione> hmmm this is interesting
[03:00] <fabbione> Keybuk: if i run udevplug -v -s
[03:00] <fabbione> it gets to /sys/class/vc/vcsa
[03:00] <fabbione>  /sys/devices/pci0000:02
[03:00] <fabbione> and it stalls there
[03:00] <Keybuk> probably aborts with SIGALRM :)
[03:01] <fabbione> no no
[03:01] <fabbione> udevplug is still running
[03:01] <fabbione> i had to ctrl+c
[03:01] <Keybuk> odd
[03:01] <Keybuk> what's in /dev/.udev/queue?
[03:01] <fabbione> no queue
[03:01] <Keybuk> hmm
[03:01] <Keybuk> strace it
[03:03] <fabbione> it's polling queue
[03:03] <fabbione> probably udev is still processing
[03:03] <Keybuk> does queue still exist?
[03:03] <fabbione> yes
[03:04] <fabbione> but it's empty
[03:04] <Keybuk> ah
[03:04] <Keybuk> did you rmdir it first?
[03:04] <fabbione> yes
[03:06] <fabbione> like i said
[03:06] <fabbione> udevplug did generate the queue
[03:06] <fabbione> and waiting for it to disappear
[03:06] <fabbione> but it's empty
[03:06] <BenC> Keybuk: getsockopt()
[03:06] <fabbione> Keybuk: udevd is doing nothing
[03:07] <Keybuk> that's weird
[03:07] <Keybuk> that suggests the kernel never gave the event to udevd
[03:07] <fabbione> well it did
[03:07] <Keybuk> can you run "udevmonitor -e" as well?
[03:07] <fabbione> otherwise i would have no / ;)
[03:07] <Keybuk> if it had given the event to udevd, udevd would have done something and removed the queue directory
[03:08] <fabbione> ok one sec..
[03:09] <fabbione> i am setting up a slightly better env
[03:09] <fabbione> like 20 xterm
[03:09] <Keybuk> udevmonitor should give you a UEVENT and UDEV for each things udevplug prints (with -s)
[03:10] <fabbione> root@sunrise:/dev/.udev# ls -asl
[03:10] <fabbione> total 0
[03:10] <fabbione> 0 drwxr-xr-x  4 root root    80 Feb 24 06:09 .
[03:10] <fabbione> 0 drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 13920 Feb 24 06:05 ..
[03:10] <fabbione> 0 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root   520 Feb 24  2006 db
[03:10] <fabbione> 0 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    40 Feb 24 06:09 failed
[03:10] <fabbione> root@sunrise:~# udevmonitor -e
[03:10] <fabbione> udevmonitor prints the received event from the kernel [UEVENT]
[03:10] <fabbione> and the event which udev sends out after rule processing [UDEV]
[03:10] <fabbione> ok?
[03:10] <fabbione> do we agree that it is ok?
[03:10] <Keybuk> ok
[03:10] <fabbione> i can see the events
[03:11] <Keybuk> that's a good starting point
[03:11] <Keybuk> "udevplug -s -v" on that ... for each thing it prints you should see a UEVENT and then a UDEV for it
[03:11] <Keybuk> if you get no UEVENT, then that's bad
[03:11] <Keybuk> if you get a UEVENT and no UDEV, that's even worse
[03:11] <fabbione> UEVENT[1140790262.767691]  add@/class/vc/vcsa
[03:11] <fabbione> UDEV  [1140790262.770291]  add@/class/vc/vcsa
[03:11] <fabbione> ok?
[03:11] <Keybuk> ok
[03:11] <Keybuk> and udevplug printed /sys/class/vc/vcsa as well?
[03:12] <fabbione> it didn't get that far???
[03:12] <fabbione>  /sys/class/tty/tty4
[03:12] <fabbione> it stopped a few letters before
[03:12] <fabbione> make that 40
[03:12] <fabbione> it did skip 4
[03:12] <fabbione> meh 0
[03:13] <fabbione> there is a queue
[03:13] <fabbione> and it is empty
[03:13] <Keybuk> ok, what was the last thing udevplug printed?
[03:13] <fabbione> yes
[03:13] <Keybuk> what was?
[03:13] <fabbione>  /sys/class/tty/tty4
[03:13] <Keybuk> ok
[03:13] <fabbione> now
[03:13] <Keybuk> what was the last UEVENT/UDEV combo printed?
[03:14] <fabbione> ok one second dude
[03:14] <fabbione> when udevplug was at /sys/class/tty/tty4
[03:14] <fabbione> udevmonitor was printing the vcsa
[03:14] <Keybuk> that's a bit weird
[03:14] <fabbione> there was a queue and it was empty
[03:14] <fabbione> now one more thing
[03:14] <fabbione> i did remove the queue
[03:14] <fabbione> and saw it recreated
[03:14] <fabbione> more events did pass
[03:15] <fabbione> and udevplug did finish
[03:15] <Keybuk> (btw, worth noting that "udevplug -s" is not very well tested)
[03:15] <Keybuk> it could be just a general bug with it
[03:15] <fabbione> so ok.. what do you want me to test next?
[03:15] <Keybuk> hmm
[03:15] <Keybuk> so udevplug completed normally
[03:15] <Keybuk> and you didn't get that error
[03:15] <fabbione> nope
[03:16] <Keybuk> nope it didn't complete noramlly?
[03:16] <fabbione> but know i don't know if it would have loaded the module
[03:16] <fabbione> nope = no error
[03:16] <fabbione> i think the problem is here:
[03:16] <Keybuk> right, so this suggests that the netlink buffer doesn't overflow if you go slowly
[03:16] <fabbione> tty4 was way before than /sys/class/vc/vcsa
[03:17] <Keybuk> how do you know? :)
[03:17] <fabbione> (in the print from udevplug)
[03:17] <fabbione> the print order?
[03:17] <fabbione> now
[03:17] <fabbione> listen up
[03:17] <Keybuk> did udevplug never do vcsa before then?
[03:17] <fabbione> no it didn't
[03:17] <fabbione> it did it after
[03:17] <fabbione> if you let me :)
[03:18] <fabbione> udevplug was printing tty4 - udevmonitor was at vcsa
[03:18] <fabbione> the line after vcsa in udevplug is /sys/devices/pci0000:02
[03:18] <fabbione> the same where it was hanging a long time before
[03:18] <fabbione> now...
[03:19] <Keybuk> yeah, I get the same behaviour here (though udevplug actually prints that ... I suggest your stdout buffers weren't flushed <g>)
[03:19] <fabbione> could it be a bug in /sys parsing of that device?
[03:19] <Keybuk> this is just a "-s" bug
[03:20] <fabbione> next test...
[03:20] <fabbione> queue was never deleted tho
[03:20] <fabbione> if i run only udevplug
[03:20] <fabbione> i can see all the events and the error
[03:20] <fabbione> that happens very early
[03:20] <pappan> is there kernel debugging tool in ubuntu
[03:20] <fabbione> almost at the beginning
[03:21] <Keybuk> right, because udevd had finished processing the event, and was waiting for the next ... where udevplug had made the queue directory and then ended up waiting on it
[03:21] <pappan> i am facing a problem with reboot in my laptop
[03:21] <fabbione> but if i run it normally, the queue dir disappear
[03:22] <Keybuk> I'll have to debug that, but it's reasonably safe race :)
[03:22] <Keybuk> so ignore that for now
[03:22] <fabbione> Keybuk: so do you think the bug is from udev itself?
[03:22] <Keybuk> fabbione: no, I think this is a kernel bug
[03:23] <fabbione> i am not really worried about the message itself
[03:23] <Keybuk> sending the events slowly seems to not produce ENOBUFS
[03:23] <Keybuk> sending them at normal speed produces it
[03:23] <Keybuk> so, BenC, can we get some printk()s to find out which -ENOBUF that is?
[03:23] <fabbione> it's only annoying that it doesn't bring up the ethernet
[03:23] <fabbione> anyway i need to take off for a while now
[03:23] <fabbione> Keybuk: thanks a lot dude
[03:23] <BenC> Keybuk: yeah, let me get my sparc back up
[03:24] <fabbione> later guys
[03:25] <zul> toodles
[03:29] <Keybuk> damn, that -s bug is entirely consistent at the first pci device
[03:30] <Keybuk> tickle: uevent: '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/uevent'
[03:30] <Keybuk> make_queue: directory: '/dev/.udev/queue'
[03:30] <Keybuk> create_path: stat '/dev/.udev'
[03:30] <Keybuk> wait_for_queue: directory: '/dev/.udev/queue'
[03:30] <Keybuk> oh
[03:30] <Keybuk> because tickling /sys/devices/pci0000:00/uevent DOES NOTHING
[03:31] <Keybuk> BenC: kernel bug! kernel bug! kernel bug! :)
[03:31] <BenC> Keybuk: stop picking on me! :)
[03:32] <Keybuk> (this is irrelevant to the ENOBUFS error, it's just amusing to find more errors along the way to debugging that one)
[03:32] <BenC> I think ENOBUFS is a red herring
[03:33] <Keybuk> you do?
[03:33] <BenC> more than likely our problem is more related to uevents not getting where they should
[03:33] <Keybuk> yeah, but if the socket buffer is full, they won't get there
[03:34] <Keybuk> the fact that pci0000:00 doesn't generate a uevent is only important when using "-s" where it waits patiently for the event ... during normal booting it's irrelevant
[03:34] <BenC> I can't see generic sockets getting full...lots of things would be broken
[03:34] <Keybuk> aye
[03:34] <Keybuk> udevd used to do it quite regularly until they increased the size to 16MB
[03:34] <BenC> were the symptoms the same?
[03:35] <Keybuk> yeah, I think so
[03:35] <BenC> I just can't see 16k uevents occuring, even on a sparc :)
[03:35] <Keybuk> we know there's only 730 events
[03:35] <BenC> so filling it would take a lot of effort
[03:35] <Keybuk> which is less than my amd64
[03:35] <Keybuk> I'm wondering whether it's actually that there's an event bigger than 1K
[03:35] <Keybuk> an event is just an env buffer, after all
[03:36] <BenC> true...guess I can put some debug to see what the event size is
[03:36] <BenC> or just check for > 1k
[03:39] <Keybuk> I wonder ...
[03:39] <Keybuk> the fact udev wants the socket buffer to be 16MB is just a hint about how big it should never grow past
[03:39] <Keybuk> it doesn't mean it can actually grow that big, the kernel might not have any free memory to grab
[03:39] <Keybuk> so it may actually be effectively smaller than the 730K needed to do the job
[07:35] <shaya> anyone home?
[07:36] <shaya> just filed a bug, can help try to debug it if that would help?
[11:07] <cjb> Sorry, stupid question:  dmesg/lspci dumps for lkml, should they go inline or attached?
[11:07] <cjb> (The only examples I can find were all attached, so I wonder if there's some differing standard for dmesg as opposed to patches.)


[00:43] <cmaloney> W00t. Hung up my Cloudkicker poster, and hung a picture that was under the bed since we moved.
[00:43] <cmaloney> current feeling: accomplished
[04:20] <greg-g> cmaloney: nice!
[11:28] <rick_h_> morning, getting back on eastern time. Wheeee...can I go back to bed?
[17:03] <rick_h_> my one ok pic from the trip http://www.flickr.com/photos/7508761@N03/10515827053/in/photostream/
[17:03] <rick_h_> of course I didn't realize until I got back that it was the bay bridge and not the golden gate
[17:03] <rick_h_> doh!
[17:40] <waf> hey look, google's secret data center. prepare to be liquidated.
[18:20] <cmaloney> Good morning
[18:20] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's a really nice picture
[18:21] <gamerchick02> morning cmaloney... tho it's like 2:20. :-P
[18:21] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Would you be mad if J tried to paint that photo?
[18:21] <gamerchick02> dang, i like that pic, rick_h_
[18:21] <gamerchick02> awesome
[18:21] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Shush... Let me be deluded.
[18:21] <gamerchick02> hah!
[18:21] <gamerchick02> i'm making chicken soup so it's not morning.
[18:21] <gamerchick02> :-P
[19:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: no, no reaons I'd care
[19:38] <brousch> What if her painting earns her $100,000 and she gives you no credit and then she kills your dog because you threaten to expose her?
[19:38] <rick_h_> brousch: well in that case, I'll have to cry, run away and move to portland to escape the shame. Poor me.
[19:39] <brousch> How can you think of portland on a day like today?
[19:40] <rick_h_> because I always think of portland :)
[19:40] <brousch> It's basically perfect weather in GR today: Sunny, light breeze, 50F
[19:41] <brousch> colorful leaves
[19:41] <brousch> no bugs
[19:41] <gamerchick02> Portland is awesome
[19:41] <gamerchick02> and brousch, it's about the same here. i think more clouds.
[19:42] <gamerchick02> why can't it be this way all year?
[19:43] <rick_h_> perma-fall. I'll take it
[19:43] <gamerchick02> me too!
[19:43] <gamerchick02> everything is apple cider and nothing hurts.
[19:46] <brousch> I can undertand thinking portland when it's 90F and humid, or there's 3ft of snow in my driveway, but not today
[19:47] <gamerchick02> :) today is perfect.
[19:57] <rick_h_> brousch: do you think about how sweet it'd be to have a tesla when you're at the pump?  It would take about 200 years to pay for itself compared to my car
[23:43] <derekv> hardly anyone on ebay seems to understand ebay.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bid
[23:44] <derekv> this has annoyed me ever since the beginning


[13:18] <niko> is it possible to take a look at floodbot source ?
[13:19] <McPeter> niko, +1
[13:20] <McPeter> niko, sur #u-es ?
[13:21] <niko> oui
[13:21] <niko> under bot attack
[13:22] <McPeter> :\
[13:24] <McPeter> niko, * erUSUL met un ban sur<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:24] <McPeter> _ovh_ …
[13:24] <McPeter> pfuuu
[13:25] <McPeter> mais ces … *abrutis* .. :(
[13:25] <Mamarok> McPeter: watch your language, please and write in English, see Topic
[13:25] <McPeter> Mamarok, yes yes sorry
[13:26] <niko> Mamarok: you talk about :"The channel is multilingual" ?
[13:27] <Mamarok> niko: no, the part that says: use Babelfish to translate
[13:27] <Mamarok> or rather BabelBot
[13:27] <niko> or ##translate ::)
[13:27] <McPeter> :)
[13:31]  * McPeter sifflote ♫♬♩♫♪
[13:31] <Pici> This channel is supposed to be multilingual, so I've updated the topic appropriately.
[13:32] <McPeter> sorry but my english is very poor … but i try :)
[13:33] <niko> Pici: is FloodBot source code available somewhere ?
[13:33] <Pici> niko: no, sorry.
[13:33] <niko> :/
[13:33] <niko> uBOTu-fr can't handle big bot attack :/
[13:36] <niko> Pici: no way to have a looks on some part ? like about massive join etc
[13:36] <Pici> niko: You would have to speak to LjL, he is the author of the floodbots.
[13:36] <niko> ok thanks
[13:37] <Pici> He hasn't opened the code so I cannot just let you see the bots as they are, I wish I could though.
[13:57] <jussi01> Ok, just a reminder about the rescheduled IRCC meeting, please comment on the wiki proposal if you have an opinion but cannot be there.
[13:57] <jussi01> IRCC meeting Sunday 9th 0700 UTC! | Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda | Issues Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal
[14:05] <niko> jussi01: can i add a comment about #ubuntu-es lack of founder ?
[14:06] <jussi01> niko: let me get back to you on that. Im not certain whether that is Us or loco council who deals with that.
[14:13] <Pici> niko: I assume we're talking about how little the current founder is available online?
[14:13] <niko> Pici: and the lack of access ( like +f for ubuntu-es actually )
[14:14] <niko> available ops of #ubuntu-es can't change access list, and manage the channel in a fine way.
[14:15] <niko> and #ubuntu-es is often under bot attack, each day ..
[14:16] <Pici> niko: Does the current founder have any role within the loco team itelf? besides just happening to be the founder?
[14:16] <niko> erUSUL: have you an answer about that ?
[14:18] <erUSUL> Pici: there is no loco team associated to the channel per se. is the channel for spanish help. people for many spanish speaking locos join the channel (like -ar -cl -ve -uy etc) becouse their chennels are two small
[14:20] <erUSUL> Pici: it acts as the spain loco channel when needed. but to be fair the spain loco is not very active at the moment the webpage/forums is having a slow death...
[14:20] <Pici> erUSUL: I thought it was the loco channel for Spain. I could be mistaken though.
[14:21] <Pici> erUSUL: Okay. niko yes I think we should discuss it at the next IRCC meeting then.
[14:23] <niko> thanks, because, i can't continue to manage the channel when there is not ops on it, i spend to much time to keep it clean via the bot, and bot excess flood is not good for other channel where he's in.


[07:03] <tjaalton> StephDev: what doesn't build?
[07:05] <tjaalton> 5.10 and 5.9.15 at least seem fine, same with current drm-*
[07:05] <tjaalton> assuming you meant the mainline builds


[00:42] <elky> apt always manages to confuse me whereas apt-get doesn't
[00:42]  * elky shrugs
[00:45] <Unit193> Try 'apt search firefox' vs 'apt-cache search firefox' big difference and not for the better.  Also, apt isn't well documented.  How does one use apt list?  Read the source.  I do use full-upgrade, sure. :D
[00:49] <elky> at least one of those things is fixable
[00:50] <Unit193> Yep, I figure it's still early, so docs will come.  And, apt tells you its interface isn't finished yet, so that may change.  I'm simply speaking right now.
[02:14] <elky> today in daftykins doesn't realise how hostile he is
[03:28] <phunyguy> yeah then he plays the volunteer card
[03:28] <phunyguy> when you say something baout it.
[03:28] <phunyguy> about*
 Ubuntu is not user friendly if I have to remember commands like that
[11:32] <bazhang> why has he used for 7 or more years then
[16:30] <c0mrade> Hello.
[16:30] <c0mrade> I think I am banned from #ubuntu, can you guys get me back there please?
[17:50] <c0mrade> Hello.
[17:50] <c0mrade> I was banned from #ubuntu can someone get me back there please?
[18:24] <c0mrade> :P
[18:24] <c0mrade> Any help?
[19:00] <ikonia> c0mrade: hello
[19:01] <c0mrade> ikonia: Hi, how are you doing?
[19:01] <ikonia> fine thanks
[19:01] <ikonia> so what's up ?
[19:01] <ikonia> you've been banned in #ubuntu ?
[19:01] <c0mrade> I wish to join #ubuntu again but I am banned from a long time ago from there.
[19:01] <ikonia> is that righht ?
[19:01] <c0mrade> Yeah.
[19:01] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[19:02] <c0mrade> I got involved in Ubuntu related stuff lately and I might need some support from the community/IRC channel.
[19:02] <c0mrade> I believe it was a long time ago maybe like more than a year ago, but I think I got banned for saying offtopic stuff.
[19:02] <ikonia> one moment please
[19:03] <c0mrade> Like talking about the time travel machines, black market organ trading, cryoginecs and life expanding, quantum physics etc...
[19:03] <ikonia> it looks like you've got quite a history
[19:04] <ikonia> and you've been a problem since 2010 - through to 2014
[19:04] <c0mrade> I think it was more than a year.
[19:04] <c0mrade> But I am not sure.
[19:04] <ikonia> no, it was Oct2014 your last visit
[19:04] <c0mrade> But anyway I've been using IRC since 1996 but knew bout freenode like in 2008.
[19:05] <ikonia> serious question, what's going on ? you've been a problem in the ubuntu channels since 2010
[19:05] <ikonia> why have you been a problem for 4 years ?
[19:05] <c0mrade> I used to join and say offtopic stuff and then part the channel.
[19:05] <c0mrade> Nothing much.
[19:05] <c0mrade> I used to tease the channel operators.
[19:05] <ikonia> what's stopped you just using the channel in acceptable ways ?
[19:05] <ikonia> why ?
[19:05] <ikonia> then  why hae you been a problem for so long
[19:06] <c0mrade> I didn't go every single day there.
[19:06] <c0mrade> And do that for four years straight.
[19:06] <c0mrade> I am not sick in the brains... LOL.
[19:06] <c0mrade> I mean I used to get maybe one a week sometimes once a month and sometimes four days straight.
[19:07] <ikonia> yes, but why ?
[19:07] <ikonia> you knew it was wwrong, you knew it distruted the channel and wasted peoples time, yet you kept doing it
[19:07] <ikonia> why ?
[19:08] <ikonia> actually it doesn't matter
[19:08] <ikonia> I'm not comfortable letting you back in the channel, you show yourself to be aware of causing a problem on purpose,
[19:08] <ikonia> so I don't see a reason to give you yet "another" chance
[19:08] <ikonia> sorry
[19:09] <c0mrade> No I am just confessing and telling you the truth.
[19:09] <ikonia> yes,, I know
[19:10] <c0mrade> Lately I got involved in projects that need extensive Ubuntu knowledge and now I feel that I need to get to the channel....
[19:10] <ikonia> I don't feel you do
[19:10] <c0mrade> You don't feel I do what?
[19:10] <ikonia> and I feel you should have thought about that before wasting peoples time for 4 years
[19:10] <ikonia> so I think we should cut it there,
[19:11] <c0mrade> You think it's for 4 years straight?
[19:11] <ikonia> good luck with your projects, I hope it helps you find a new way to contribute to the IRC communities with a bit less trouble
[19:11] <ikonia> please /part the channel,
[19:12] <c0mrade> So no chance right?
[19:12] <ikonia> sorry
[19:12] <ikonia> I don't see why
[19:13] <c0mrade> I am sorry for what I did and it won't happen again.
[19:13] <c0mrade> I appologize.
[19:14] <ikonia> appreciate that, thank you
[19:15] <c0mrade> Can I access #ubuntu again please?
[19:16] <chu> May I just pipe in and recommend you join #ubuntu-offtopic for a while, *if* you are seen as a contributing member (and honour your promise) maybe some action will be taken in regards to #ubuntu
[19:16] <c0mrade> Why are you guys making it hard for me....
[19:16] <ikonia> you made it hard for yourself
[19:16] <c0mrade> I am so lazy to use a proxy and change my nickname.
[19:16] <chu> It may be the only way to verify that you actually intend on holding strong to your promise (I'm sure you can understand how often we are told)
[19:16] <ikonia> c0mrade: nice suggestion to ban evadae
[19:17] <ikonia> shows you can really respect the rules
[19:17] <ikonia> I think we are done
[19:17] <chu> Ouch, well that's the one way to guarantee you're not coming back


[00:00] <wileee> I know a guy, just strums the guitar hard and sings his songs and refuses to learn any technique, feeling the creativity will carry them. However it has not, they barely improve, however they are happy in that view, I say nothing but sounds good man. ;)
[00:04] <daftykins> brb
[00:04] <JanC> https://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/368694/pia-fraus
[00:04] <JanC> wileee: some friends of me ^^^
[00:06] <OerHeks> "dit is jouw ritme" i like this one, as a ringtone or wakeup-sound
[00:06] <JanC> (that band doesn't exist any more though)
[00:09] <wileee> JanC, I like it, anything with genre mixing and dissonance musically or social comment...etc gets my vote
[00:09] <JanC> OerHeks: you can download it for free :)
[00:10] <OerHeks> It is a nice site, you showed me that before :-)
[00:10] <OerHeks> If i could play an istrument, i would publish there too.
[00:11] <JanC> Drops, Splashes, etc. is also a good track
[00:11] <JanC> with that old wind-up music box
[00:13] <wileee> I watched a bio on Ray Kurzweil, this is all you need OerHeks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Neivqp2K4
[00:22] <JanC> this is the new project from the singer & graphics artist of pIA fRAUS: https://soundcloud.com/embersnoise
[00:23] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Is preparing to be a dentist ? Practicing pulling info to get the feel of pulling teeth .
[00:24] <daftykins> :D
[00:25] <OerHeks> never seen a pastebin with a paste.ubuntu.com url before ...
[00:26] <wileee> JanC, I'm good friends with the guitar player here, they were basically industrial hip pop, early in hip pops start.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjqdEfRW0j4
[00:26] <daftykins> bunches of idiots :/
[00:26] <daftykins> OerHeks: yeah that's a record :>
[00:27] <JanC> ooh, Consolidated
[00:27] <wileee> an amazing player, we donate our muisc time to a homeless org, traing the kids  etc
[00:27] <JanC> wileee: I actually have one of their albums  :)
[00:27] <wileee> an amazing band in their own right really
[00:27] <wileee> cool
[00:27] <JanC> any of your own music online?
[00:28] <wileee> JanC, Nah, jazz is hardly ever recorded and I have just not bothered, I don't play as often anymore.
[00:28] <JanC> I have their "Play More Music" album
[00:29] <wileee> cool, excellent album, Adam gives his all to the general community, he is in it for the long hall.
[00:31] <JanC> like most people around here, I got to know them from the “You Suck” single by Consolidated feat The Yeastie Girls
[00:31] <JanC> but I guess most people never bought their album  :)
[00:33] <JanC> you could say that that single was sort of an underground hit in Europe  :)
[00:34] <wileee> Heh, yeah probably, my favorite is The Typical Male, I met Adam when a friend got the drum spot in the late 90's, Adam lived locally. Todd Breyerton is the drummers name, his step brother and professional upright bass and violin player Rob Thomas, has played the scene in NY, with pop and Jazz groups.
[00:35] <wileee> with Debbie Harry and Elvis Costello, forget the group name
[00:36] <JanC> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoyUUu1rPhE (possibly NSFW lyrics :P )
[00:37] <JanC> wileee: interesting
[00:37] <JanC> Rob Thomas seems like a name I know
[00:38] <JanC> but there probably are many Rob Thomas  :)
[00:38] <wileee> heh yeah common names
[00:38] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Thomas_%28musician%29 ?
[00:39] <JanC> Tabitha's Secret, Matchbox Twenty, Jewel, ...
[00:40] <wileee> JanC, THis is him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afXyAZ3eA0Y
[00:41] <wileee> playing Mahavishnu, one of my faves by them
[00:41] <JanC> so probably another Rob Thomas
[00:42] <JanC> but still cool too
[00:45] <wileee> This all brings back really happy memories of when I played more often and the level of players I was lucky to play with. ;)
[00:45] <JanC> :)
[00:48] <JanC> maybe one of my nieces can learn to play jazz...
[00:49] <JanC> she learns to play the flute at the music school but they complain that although she plays rather well, she often doesn't play what is on the music sheets and improvises instead  ;)
[00:50] <daftykins> little cheat!
[00:50] <JanC> which is somewhat annoying when she's supposed to play a duet with a fellow student & such  :)
[00:51] <JanC> well, annoying for that other student & the teacher at least
[01:02] <wileee> heh, I did the same, playing the notes transposed to within the harmony, like  5th away
[01:02] <wileee> a*
[01:11] <wileee> JanC, Turn her onto this cat, I've met him, very unusual tone and style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTp9mjI04kM
[01:11] <wileee> he's a monster
[01:13] <wileee> heh, the drummer on this lives locally as well
[01:14] <wileee> and that what a solid gold haynes flute sounds like
[01:15] <JanC> she's only 9yo you know, so she doesn't really know what "jazz" is
[01:15] <JanC> but I can try to see if she likes it  :)
[01:16] <wileee> JanC, Sure, does not have to be jazz, just the exposure to top rate players can help, your there though you know what's best for her.
[01:18] <JanC> \o/ for youtube-dl
[01:21] <wileee> I saw the last rehearsal of Lew and his former wifes album "Tanuki's Night Out" at the musicians union in LA, and got to sit in with a trumpet player in the band's own progressive Jazz group, I was a junior in highschool, and traveling with our stage band there. I had met the trumpet player locally and help set up the meeting with our band director that end up being this trip
[01:22] <wileee> I was a go getter at meeting the great players when younger
[01:23] <wileee> not quite like meeting Linus, but half way there, lol
[01:23] <JanC> his former wife = Toshiko Akiyoshi?
[01:23] <wileee> yeah
[01:23] <wileee> meant to put the name in, she is an amazing artist herself
[01:24] <JanC> I guess meeting Linus's dad is easier than meeting Linus for me  :P
[01:24] <wileee> lol probably so
[01:24] <wileee> I'm not a fan of swearing
[01:24] <JanC> as his dad is a MEP (Member of European Parliament)
[01:25] <wileee> heh, kinda explains Linus, he is amazing, he knows it and wants to be sure we know it. ;)
[01:25] <JanC> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/114268/NILS_TORVALDS_home.html
[01:26] <wileee> you don't get to where they both are by not being highly intelligent
[01:30] <JanC> I know he's a member of EPFSUG at least (European Parliament Free Software User Group)
[01:31] <JanC> but I guess he owes that to his son  :)
[01:32] <JanC> well, not only a member but also a "patron"
[01:33] <JanC> which helps them to be a legitimized association inside the EP
[01:39] <wileee> yeah
[02:12] <JanC> you can set up a group with people working in the EP and also other people from outside, but if you want to use EP infrastructure (like a conference/meeting room), you need some MEPs to vouch for you by becoming a "patron"
[02:20] <wileee> makes sense there is a model there
[02:33] <wileee> will somebody kill kadiro please
[02:35] <daftykins> i'd like it if someone did
[02:35] <daftykins> guys an ass - and just hinders people since his english is so terrible
[02:36] <wileee> does not dig in, just gives what sounds like a google search
[02:37] <wileee> not investigated
[03:02]  * daftykins looks at titocaldo
[03:02] <daftykins> yeah not touching that one with a bargepole
[03:02] <daftykins> :>
[04:56] <wileee> someones off their meds, lol
[07:07] <tintedwindows> anybody wanna play me in Quake??
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:03] <ObrienDave> o/
[08:26] <ObrienDave> *bangs head on keyboard*
[08:28] <lordievader> Hihi
[08:37] <wileee> just joined comcast, tech tried to charge me 70$ for flipping on comcast's switch, took a week and two calls to get it reversed
[08:38] <ObrienDave> our tech spent 7 hours tracing down 20 year-old cables to get mine working yesterday. ^5 to the tech
[08:39] <wileee> Poor guy was working in 103 weather, I wished I coild give him 150 really, but just don't have the 70
[08:41] <wileee> he was a portly fellow prop 400lbs or so, he was not having a good time in the heat
[08:42] <ObrienDave> i guess. my wife gave the tech survey all 10s for what he went through
[08:42] <wileee> I always do no matter what, you never know why there was an issue and people support families.
[08:45] <wileee> I have a couple stupid people complain they know the owner, at my job and they will get me fired, lol there not even smart enough to no better than proclaim that.
[08:45] <wileee> know*
[08:46] <ObrienDave> somebody told my step-son that. he replied, "lady, i AM the owner!" ROFL
[08:47] <wileee> I just said, you know, I know him to.
[08:47] <ObrienDave> lol that works
[08:48] <wileee> and offered his phone #
[08:50] <wileee> it is my college dream job, janitor/manager of a laundromat, heh, just a few bucks extra, at a flat rate, probably equals out to about 20 per hour spent at the lowest.
[08:53] <wileee> I've never seen more drama for 2$ lost in a user error of overloading a machine and having that pointed out, lol
[08:55] <ObrienDave> i like my new job. they hand me material, prints/models, decent machine and say "go have fun" LOL
[08:56] <wileee> that's the way it should be
[08:56] <ObrienDave> as long as it meets the specs, they don;t care how i make it :)
[09:01] <wileee> I'm extroverted so I like meeting the people, met some really interesting folks there made some new friends, not a bad situation really.
[09:01] <wileee> we just need a bar is all
[09:03] <ObrienDave> i'll drink to that ;P
[09:05] <wileee> ;)
[09:06] <ObrienDave> sleepy time *waves*
[09:06] <wileee> later
[12:49] <OerHeks> :-)
[12:50] <EriC^^> :)
[13:40] <TJ-> Seem to be making progress on the Super Talent mini-PCIe SSD issue; It looks as if the Core Store Plus expects to use the CLKREQ# (active low) signal to control the clock (and therefore power consumption) but the host PCs I've put it in don't use that signal.
[13:49] <lordievader> Do you know why the card expects it, or why the host doesn't use it?
[13:55] <TJ-> Well, the use of the signal has changed as the PCI interface specs have developed over time. In theory it is an optional signal... but if the Core Store is expecting it the design may not take account of it not being available, or it might expect the signal to be pulled up through a resistor. But, when not connected and therefore floating it might change things. Although, this is an Output from the PCIe card, so in theory that ought not to matter.
[13:56] <TJ-> Interestingly, Super Talent engineers specifically asked me earlier to ensure ASPM is disabled and L0 (Latency) is on. ASPM is another aspect of power-state management like CLKREQ#... is ASPM isn't used maybe the card relies on CLKREQ#
[13:56] <lordievader> Newer PCI standards are backward compatible with older standards, right? Would be strange to have some option be mandatory first and optional later.
[13:57] <TJ-> However, not having CLKREQ# connected just means the host would never stop the PCICLK signal delivered to the card, which would only mean it never drops to a lower-power state, so this theory may be totally incorrect.
[13:58] <TJ-> That's the general idea... but *implementations* don't always get it correct since they may be developed only with later standard hosts and test platforms
[18:05] <OerHeks> njummie, 4K UHD http://www.techdrivein.com/2015/08/shotcut-open-source-video-editor-linux.html
[19:41] <OerHeks> is bug 1 still valid ?
[19:41] <OerHeks> http://www.zdnet.com/article/canonical-and-microsoft-working-together-on-containers/
[19:45] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I saw where Mark had closed out bug 1 .. If I get the time will hunt up the refernce where he closed it .
[19:45] <OerHeks> It has been closed and reopened several times, IIRC
[19:46] <wileee> I thought it was a sideways joke
[19:46] <wileee> a jab at MS
[20:43] <daftykins> i think it's both a joke and a mission statement :)
[20:44] <OerHeks> sad indeed.
[20:47] <wileee> ah we don't wanna stop Big Bill from paying back the devil by giving it all away now do we. ;)
[20:47] <daftykins> he does a lot for worldwide disease which i think is cool
[20:47] <daftykins> other partners of his from Microsoft's past just seem to go be rich folk and that's it :)
[20:48] <wileee> for sure, him and buffet are great, it's noble work
[20:49] <wileee> he* doh
[20:51] <wileee> berkshire just bought precision cast parts about 37 billion
[22:23] <tintedwindows> anybody good with proxy's? or have a nice website that'll teach me to use with online gaming?
[22:25] <lordievader> Don't think you want to use proxys in combination with gaming.
[22:59] <daftykins> 1) idiot for asking for help in here 2) idiot for wanting to game over a proxy 3) oh there'd be more
[23:04] <OerHeks> sometimes i read the logs back from 2009 .. if the word Fool didn't existthen,  it would be 'don't be an OerHeks' .. man, i wrecked some pcś and servers.
[23:04] <daftykins> :)
[23:04] <daftykins> are you saying i should be more forgiving? ;)
[23:05] <OerHeks> no, silly questions will never end.
[23:06] <OerHeks> just to say; some will learn.
[23:10] <Bashing-om> ^ and then there is me, seeking to learn .
[23:13] <OerHeks> Someday i hope to get a job, were i can deploy this knowledge i picked up here.
[23:13] <wileee> I nothing nothing and did not due it. ;)
[23:18]  * wileee leaves the large batch of day old starbucks pastry on the table in the corner
[23:29] <daftykins> mmm pastry, only a day you say?
[23:29]  * daftykins gobbles
[23:31] <Bashing-om> methinks pastry - less than a week old - makes coffee better .
[23:31] <wileee> yeah, picked it up at salvation army, lots of kellir daves bread as well
[23:32] <wileee> killer*
[23:33] <wileee> the bread is a local company, started by a former inmate kinda crazy, heh, the bread is some of the best
[23:36] <daftykins> so it appears we're still suffering from two horrible helpers/hinderers - artois and kadiro
[23:36] <daftykins> if we ignore me i mean *whistle*


[22:50] <Unit193> genii: You don't have a scheduled reboot of parlezview coming up do you?
[22:54] <genii> Unit193: Not for about another week
[22:55] <Unit193> Ah, if it's next week then I don't have to restart the bot, OK.


[09:26] <Digidan5> Hello
[09:27] <ebel> yo!
[09:27] <Digidan5> how are ya all
[09:28] <zergless> o/
[09:55] <tdr112> hey
[12:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:01] <czajkowski> sleepy
[12:02]  * zergless needs coffee
[12:03] <slashbel> hello
[12:04] <slashbel> czajkowski: how are you?
[12:14] <czajkowski> slashbel: not bad busy week and it's only tuesday :)
[12:16] <slashbel> good good, what are you doing these days?
[12:39] <czajkowski> busy :)
[12:39] <czajkowski> couchbase developer community manager
[12:39] <slashbel> ah, that's CouchDB?
[12:47] <czajkowski> couchbase
[12:47] <czajkowski> is not the same as couchDB
[12:47] <czajkowski> http://www.couchbase.com/couchbase-vs-couchdb
[12:49] <slashbel> ok, sorry it's just that they have very similar names. i have absolutely nothing to do with databases…
[12:51] <czajkowski> nods they do indeed
[12:51] <czajkowski> at at one point were closer and then seperated


[04:42] <pitti> Good morning
[14:26] <balloons> elopio, ohh I just saw your message from last night. What the home patching got you down?
[14:26] <balloons> and yes, my original mp was to merge into your branch if you'll remember :-)
[14:37] <elopio> balloons: I just had to reorder the steps.
[14:38] <elopio> if we create an account, and then patch home, the app won't find the account.
[14:38] <balloons> elopio, hehe.. nope it won't
[14:38] <balloons> I saw it failed only on utopic. I asked it to run again
[15:28] <balloons> elfy, so yea, it failed again same error. I wonder why only utopic is failing
[15:45] <elopio> balloons: oh, that's a good finding. I didn't notice it was working on trusty
[16:48] <balloons> elopio, so I saw francis was looking at some things. do we think we can get this landed today?
[16:57] <elfy> balloons: tabfail? or some esoteric thing I should know about?
[16:58] <balloons> elfy, ?
[16:59] <elfy> you pinged me
[16:59] <balloons> ohh? I don't see where I did that, haha
[16:59] <balloons> but since you are here.. Hello!
[16:59] <elfy> hi :)
[16:59] <elfy> so tabfail only - just double checking :)
[17:15] <elopio> balloons: sorry, i was in a meeting
[17:16] <elopio> looking what he said...
[17:18] <elopio> balloons: the test passed once on utopic yesterday
[17:19] <elopio> let me try something on the debug branch...
[18:08] <elopio> balloons: are  you running utopic?
[18:43] <balloons> elopio, I just upgraded to utopic and trashed my box
[18:43] <balloons> so, I was on step ahead of you on that
[19:26] <balloons> elopio, I'm publishing your page-object model today.. Just doing a conversion to html and some edits. I'll give you a holler when it goes up and you can further suggest edits if needed ;-)
[19:26] <balloons> it looks nice1
[20:08] <balloons> whew.. anyone else running utopic?
[20:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, on desktop ?
[20:10] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes indeed
[20:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am
[20:10] <balloons> does recovery mode work for you? I'm guessing you might not have needed to test it :-)
[20:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes you're right haven't needed to test it yet :) so I will have to try it now
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, I booted into recovery mode and had no problems, do I have to do something special in it ?
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, nope.. mine's just a little broken at the moment, so it must just be me
[20:19] <balloons> my upgrade to utopic did not go well
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, I found out now that I have 4 evernote accounts in accounts settings, must have happened while running reminders-app tests
[20:24] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will delete them and run the tests again to see if they stay after
[20:29] <balloons> Letozaf_, in trunk now with reminders is code to prevent it from messing with your stuff
[20:30] <balloons> basically it doesn't mess around in /home anymore
[20:30] <balloons> so this shouldn't be an issue going forward :-)
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, well the tests fail now, yesterday they worked :( and I got the 4 evernote accounts back, suppose I will have to wait for you guys to finish the work you are doing on reminders
[20:37] <balloons> Letozaf_, well you need to rebase your branch to trunk to get it
[20:37] <balloons> and leo's branch has changed too ofc
[20:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-) ok thanks
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, but should I do it now or wait a bit ?
[20:40] <balloons> Letozaf_, I think everything is fine on your end. You confirmed it worked, so I would wait till the dust settles
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:41] <elopio> alesage: review please, if you are still here
[21:41] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/datepicker-autopilot_helper-pick_time/+merge/218915
[21:43] <alesage> elopio, will have a look in a bit


 Mm my WiFi is not working lately
 @ALL can we go up to that candy store in Oakland Park sometime?
[01:14] <ahoneybun> heyo ivoriesablaze
[01:14] <ivoriesablaze> what's up?
[01:15] <ahoneybun> writing python
[01:15] <ahoneybun> or trying lol
 @ahoneybun I put that new, tiny SSD into the adamoutler.com server (sda). I did a dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sda bs=64M. Then I did "sudo parted /dev/sda"  list then  "y" to correct the partition size and rebooted
 I disconnected the old 500Gig rotating disk, and now i'm updating from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04.
 nice
 I think it should be finished.  A reboot when I get home will tell me if everything worked properly.
 I got the upgrade email from my server upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04.  it's a mile long of complete garbage.  "remaining changes: - Drop the Breaks line from libc which refers to a Debian transition. - Remove the libc6 recommends on libc6-i686, which we don't build."
 Still no nougat for me
 Android.com/beta
 I'm on the beta
 Has not hit the 6 yet. Not really anything that the beta did not have
 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqbJmvMWgAAy5iy.jpg
 More stable Bluetooth and screen rotation for Nexus 5x
 I'm putting in a new Linux server at work in two weeks.  It will run 4-critical VMs under VirtualBox.  Is there any reason not to run Ubuntu Server 16.04?
 @KMyers
 Nope, stable enough for most tasks however I normally run VM Hosts with CentOS as there is better community support for that. Still no reason not to use ubuntu
 OK.  Good to note.  What about the guests?   1 DB server, 3 Apache servers.
 I would use 2 DB servers for some level of failsafe
 How do I replicate between the two?
 MySQL?
 Or Maria
 Haven't decided yet.
 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-a-galera-cluster-with-mariadb-on-ubuntu-12-04-servers
 @ahoneybun and @Ivoriesablaze - http://www.tmonews.com/2016/08/next-t-mobile-tuesdays-gifts-discounted-gasoline/
 Sweet!
 Watch "DEF CON 24 - Panel - MR ROBOT Panel" on YouTube … https://youtu.be/_bBrj6QBPW0
 @AdamOutler
 Check out On The PC - Tom Smith by Tom Smith … https://play.google.com/music/m/Tgxkodqm3cg4dbsqbwjhhwbylaa?t=On_The_PC_Tom_Smith_-_Tom_Smith
 http://puu.sh/qMIxP/01c2087717.jpg
 Upgrading my OwnCloud server to Ubuntu 16.04.1 - wish me luck
 I oh boy
[21:48] <maxolasersquad> @KMyers, good luck.
[21:48] <meetingology> maxolasersquad: Error: "KMyers," is not a valid command.
[21:48] <maxolasersquad> KMyers: Let me know if it works, because I had mine running on 16.04 and after an upgraded of PHP7 I now have an issue. I'd love to trade notes.
 What issue did you have with PHP7? I was running PHP7 with 16.04 for a while without issue for a long time
 @KMyers have you had time to look at places in the Orlando area?
[21:50] <floridagram> * ahoneybun pushes @mhall119 into action
 Orlando is a big area, last time I had an event up here most people who wanted to attend could only go to the north or eastern sides, not south or west
 this is try
 *true
 for you guys coming from S. Florida, is Kissimmee harder/farther than Deland?
 Deland is east or west I think
 I dont mind a drive
 if you go back roads you can avoid Orlando all together
 Kisssimmee is more middle
 Deland is up towards Daytona
 but nearer the coast
 Kissimme is further south, but also further inland
 I think if it is in the middle it might be better
 We may need to kidnap @govatent
 @max seems to have no problem going to Orlando out of the air lol
 or @AbMind XD
 if we did kissimmee, it would be mostly a straight shot up the turnpike
 which might make it easier to get more people to carpool
 therefore more people
 plus, you get to go through Yeehaw Junction :)
 what is the plus is that? lol
 I'd rather go to Old Town A&W if it is still there
 @KMyers https://owncloud.adamoutler.com/index.php didn't fare so well.
 Old Town is still there, not sure about an A&W
 know of any places around there @mhall119 ?
 there's lots of places
 well that fit our bill
 Disney Springs (formerly Downtown Disney) is right around there
 @KMyers
 no no it is Downtown Disney forever
 there's plenty of coffee shops and book stores around there
 @AdamOutler - You may want to re-install PHP
 Let me finish mine
 @ahoneybun I may be at a sprint on release week itself, so maybe the week after
[21:59] <maxolasersquad> KMyers: Looks at the JS errors https://baucum.me:8081
 @mhall119 snap sprint?
[22:00] <maxolasersquad> ahoneybun, yeah I'll probably come.
 that's definitely happening, but Ubuntu Personal sprint might happen there too which would bringme
 Oh @AdamOutler - You went from 14.04 to 16.04...
[22:00] <maxolasersquad> I will be upset if it's sold out though. :)
 the heck is Personal
 desktop/tablet/phone combination
 Canonical is really bad at names
 yes :(
 so Ubuntu
 excluding server, cloud, and IoT
 if it shares codebase then it is the same product, or that is how Canonical sells it as
 same product, different packaging
 like Kubuntu :)
 One moment Max, let me finish my update
 I disagree a bit
 but onto the release planning
 My whole server is down now🤣
[22:02] <floridagram> * ahoneybun depands to come to a snap sprint
 @AdamOutler - is that your home server?
 Yep
 Fun times tonight.
 Ok, I ask because it is easier to fix than mine... I would need to call over to my DC and have them put up a KVM
 Let me finish this upgrade
 @mhall119 if we go with Old Town there are a lot of hotels and places to grab food/host
 Why did I think it was a good idea to route my remote power management for my server through my server?!?
 Control.adamoutler.com is down.
 Yeh, that was not smart
 😜😂🙌👏👍😹
 sudo wife reboot server
[22:06] <floridagram> * ahoneybun tries to find a Crack a barrel for @Ivoriesablaze
 Meh. … I'll just spend all night in the closet.
 XD
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LiuZLQbdTc
 Not good, my server seems to be borked
 I blame upstream
 @mhall119 :P
 Ok, I managed to get mine back online
 Minimal data loss
 Just a few settings, nothing crazy
 @AdamOutler - Ok, the fix was a bit crazy but it got me in
 Is it just your OwnCloud that is hosed or everything?
 Also @Max - I dont see any  JavaScript errors
[23:19] <maxolasersquad> KMyers, you don't get "Refused to execute script from 'https://baucum.me:8081/core/js/oc.js?v=b4f9a72e5516d3e34a08b43395f1bd8f' because its MIME type ('text/html') is not executable, and strict MIME type checking is enabled."?
 Nope
[23:19] <maxolasersquad> Weird.
 What owncloud apps do you have installed?
[23:21] <maxolasersquad> The music app is the only third party app.
[23:21] <maxolasersquad> Can you reach the oc.js link above?
[23:21] <maxolasersquad> For me it issues a redirect back to the root.
 Dang it.... Cutegram hasn't been updated for 16.04
 It does the same
 Can you ssh into your OwnCloud directory and run - sudo -u www-data php occ app:list
[23:25] <maxolasersquad> http://pastebin.com/Vv1BG7Tp
[23:25] <maxolasersquad> SivaMachina, use the PPA and manually switch it to use the Wiley repos.
[23:25] <maxolasersquad> That usually works for me.
 I am on Xenial
 Wily was 15.10
 Strange, nothing should be wrong with your setup
 At least app wise
[23:26] <maxolasersquad> Siva, if you add the ppa and then edited it in /etc/apt/sources/... to point to the Wiley repo that usually works.
[23:27] <maxolasersquad> Unless there's something about it that specifically needs Wiley, like older libs.
 Just be careful when you do that
 @KMyers  it's everything right now.
 I'm doing a dpkg --configure -a
[23:32] <maxolasersquad> I thought it might be my nginx config, but I went through it comparing to the docs and made changes, but none of the changes fixed the problem.
 PHP and Python are down.
 Any fixes?
 Yes, I got mine back up. Did you use a ppa to install php7?
[23:36] <maxolasersquad> No, I'm just using stock PHP7 from the default repos.
 I'm doing an apt-get -f install and it seems to be working.
 I may have PPAd from owncloud recommendations.  I guess I need to set that back up
 I can't even
 Network is gone
[23:52] <maxolasersquad> KMyers http://pastebin.com/54N460ew
[23:52] <maxolasersquad> Can you compare to your config.
 I blew away 16.04 and I'm going back to 14.04
[23:52] <maxolasersquad> I just realised I'm assuming you are using nginx.
 I am, not using nginx on my server, apache2
 Now my OwnCloud External Mounts are not working


[02:17] <cprofitt> hello all
[02:18] <bazhang> hi
[13:17] <LjL> i always liked it when i say something using my own words and then someone throws a couple of factoids about it in case they're clearer
[13:23] <IdleOne> LjL: perhaps your words are too complex
[13:27] <LjL> IdleOne: i deliberate it unfathomable for my terminology to be apperceived as disproportionately entangled
[13:27] <IdleOne> yup yup, yo.
[13:28] <k1l_> if the use of factoids is not wanted/intended, why do we have them in the first place?
[13:29] <LjL> i think i've answered that too many times in the past week, i'll go Brainstorm-mode and say i've acted enough
[13:48] <IdleOne> k1l_: please join #kubuntu for a moment and do some translating for me
[13:48] <Pici> IdleOne: still need translating ;) ?
[13:48] <IdleOne> Pici: nope :)
[13:49] <k1l_> IdleOne: what translating?
[13:49] <IdleOne> k1l_: the user cleared it up for me
[13:49] <IdleOne> thank you anyway
[14:26] <IdleOne> just banned them in #k for similar behaviour
[14:26] <Pricey> msg'ing
[14:27] <IdleOne> thank you Pricey
[14:27] <Pricey> and gone
[14:27] <k1l_> several accounts form same domain. a case for staff
[14:27] <Pricey>  /quit I mean, I assume
[14:28] <Pricey> k1l_: Hmm?
[14:28] <Pici> They're all unidentified.
[14:28] <IdleOne> looks like one user from the same school?
[14:31] <DJones> Pici: You're getting too efficient, I just added a comment to my ban, went to remove it seeing you'd set a wider ban and you'd already got rid of it
[14:31] <LjL> Pici was born efficient
[14:36] <LjL> actually, as soon as Pici was in the cradle, he looked at the other infants' bracelets, and started being all like, why on earth is this even a primary key? besides, index on THIS number, that'll make the left join MUCH more efficient, especially on those conjoined twins over there
[14:36] <Pici> ;)
[17:25] <bazhang> almost seems if reisio is commenting more than helping
[17:25] <bazhang> s/if/as though/
[17:28] <k1l_> bazhang: yes, i saw this several times
[17:29] <bazhang> ok thanks k1l_ , thought it was just me seeing this
[17:30] <LjL> no, he's like that, between him and monkeydust and sometimes actionparsnip, my eyes have often risked ending right onto the floor
[18:03] <LjL> i'm pretty sure nAn00k wants to be banned
[20:17] <k1l> i would say the talking in #u is not appropriate.
[20:19] <genii> We'll see if he behaves now, i guess.
[20:21] <genii> @comment 58096 Warned about being offtopic, booted but let back in, seemed apologetic.
[20:32] <glad> hi guys i'm new here and i've no sound on edubuntu 13.04 any help pls
[20:33] <LjL> glad: try #ubuntu or #edubuntu - this is the operators channel
[20:34] <LjL> genii: you brought the person into -ot, you hammer sense into them now!
[20:34] <genii> LjL: Between someone at work wanting me every couple minutes and phone calls, I'm doing the best I can
[20:34] <LjL> genii: it's not enough
[20:34] <LjL> 110% please
[20:54] <genii> I think (s)he is running out of steam a bit now
[21:27] <genii> I get the feeling they're basically hyper but not an intentional troll
[21:32] <LjL> yeah but
[21:33] <LjL> we can only tolerate certain levels of caffeine
[21:46] <genii> LjL: Hah!
[21:57] <genii> Well, I have to leave in about 7-10 minutes. I wonder if they'll act up the moment I go :)
 Shuttleworth wantz ur filez     doesnt look like support to me