[06:00] <Marcel_> Hi, can somebodz please help me with the following question. I log into my ubuntu machine with xrdp and everything is working exept the language of the session. The language is always english but german is mz preferred language. How can i change this?
[06:01] <Marcel_> as you can see also the keyboard is in english.
[06:04] <madsa> Marcel_, do you have German installed in the language selector? and is it the selected language?
[06:04] <madsa> System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Language Support
[06:05] <Marcel_> yes german is the only language
[06:05] <Marcel_> but if i choose it and reboot the rdp session is always in english again
[06:15] <ouroumov> Marcel_, how long ago did you install the system?
[06:15] <madsa> Marcel_, looks like there is a bug regarding this: https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/pull/314
[06:15] <madsa> maybe the version of xrdp in ubuntu doesn't include the bug fix
[06:16] <Marcel_> Hm, i installed it last month and compiled xrdp from source.
[06:16] <Marcel_> but i dont know if it was the latest
[06:17] <madsa> yeah, you probably want the latest code off the devel branch
[06:18] <ouroumov> Marcel_, do you remember the language you used during the install (very first language choice, before the system ask you where you are located)?
[06:18] <Marcel_> it was german
[06:19] <ouroumov> Thanks
[06:20] <Marcel_> thank you too
[06:22]  * ouroumov forwards the thanks to madsa
[07:18] <busmaster> Hello. I'm new to IRC and would like to contribute to Ubuntu-MATE development. Please provide some pointers
[07:28] <ouroumov> bello busmaster
[07:28] <ouroumov> hello *
[07:28] <busmaster> Hi
[07:29] <ouroumov> busmaster, I don't know if there's a specific IRC channel for UM devs, you'll have to ask flexiondotorg (Wimpy's nick on IRC)
[07:30] <ouroumov> There is a #mate-dev channel for MATE developers
[07:30] <busmaster> Ah alright. Thanks.
[07:31] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg is currently away (his nick is greyed out in the list on the right)
[07:33] <ouroumov> Just so you know busmaster, on IRC you have to be patient. Though many people are connected to the two channels there's no guaranty anyone is currently watching the IRC window or is even behind his keyboard.
[07:33] <ouroumov> So stay put for a while.
[10:51] <guest-hfipm0> hi any one want to say hello?xx:O)
[11:05] <alkisg> guest-hfipm0: hello?xx:O)
[11:17] <ouroumov_> alkisg, you're in the dev team?
[11:22] <alkisg> ouroumov_: err yes, but due to some misunderstanding - I'm only reporting bugs + sending patches for now, nothing more...
[11:23] <guest-hfipm0_> is this the cloud creatures lol.x
[11:28] <ouroumov_> alkisg, ok
[11:28] <ouroumov_> Was asking because someone came earlier asking for directions
[11:28] <ouroumov_> Wanted to contribute
[11:31] <alkisg> ouroumov_: I think flexiondotorg is the correct person to ask for that
[11:32]  * flexiondotorg looks around
[11:38] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, welcome back.
[11:38] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_, o/
[11:38] <ouroumov_> I trusted you sampled German products to your satisfaction? :D
[11:39] <ouroumov_> trust*
[15:16] <Sebastien> is mate, smaller then the latest ubuntu ?
[15:17] <Sebastien> less "windows-like" ?
[16:53] <Guest348> anyone running 16.10 here?
[16:55] <Akuli> i'm running 14.04, is that close enough? :D
[16:56] <Guest348> I haven't run development versions in forever
[16:56] <Guest348> I think the last time i ran a dev version was when breezy was in development
[16:56] <Guest348> things have changed a bit
[16:56] <Guest348> that's ubuntu 5.10 btw
[16:59] <nomic> thts old (5.10)
[17:14] <mate|10162> 16.04
[17:15] <mate|10162> tried xubuntu 16.04 but had this annoying problem with the filemanager crashing on rename or move
[17:15] <mate|10162> also had that problem in 15.10
[17:15] <mate|10162> so changed to mate
[17:16] <Akuli> you could install mate's file manager in xfce also
[17:16] <Akuli> mate has been my favorite desktop for over a year now, but if you like xfce you can use it
[17:18] <mate|10162> they are essentially the same I think
[17:18] <mate|10162> there's one or two things which are better in one than the other
[17:19] <mate|10162> for example, xfce's desktop seems to be slightly more convenient to use when customizing where you want to put things like the widgets
[17:19] <mate|10162> or whatever you like to call them
[17:19] <Akuli> shortcuts?
[17:19] <Akuli> launchers?
[17:19] <Akuli> icons?
[17:19] <mate|10162> for example, the menu I think it a bit better - but that's because I've got used to a single dropdown list rather than Mates traditional Applications/Places/System format
[17:19] <mate|10162> yes all those things
[17:20] <mate|10162> also the clock...
[17:20] <mate|10162> you can't change the popup format, as far as I
[17:20] <mate|10162> I'm aware
[17:21] <Akuli> you can :) you just need to change the code and compile the clock again
[17:22] <Akuli> i was going to do that once when someone asked something about the clock here
[17:22] <mate|10162> ... yeah but who has the time for that ...
[17:22] <Akuli> 15 minutes if you know where to look
[17:22] <mate|10162> 15 mins i dont have to be honest
[17:22] <Akuli> which i didn't :D
[17:23] <Akuli> thats awful
[19:28] <kps> installed ubuntu mate in asua notebook x552cl having windows 10 a'ready but now windows 10 is loading automatically own it's own.
[19:29] <kps> somebody please help
[19:29] <Akuli> kps, make sure it shuts down correctly
[19:29] <Akuli> i.e. disable fast boot
[19:29] <Akuli> then reinstall your grub
[19:29] <Akuli> use google, if you have trouble ask me
[19:31] <kps> fast boot us already disabled
[19:31] <kps> & how could I repair grub ?
[19:31] <kps> https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[19:31] <kps> will this work
[19:35] <kps_> please i repeat tell me something to boot ubuntu
[19:36] <Akuli> kps_, boot from an ubuntu installation usb stick
[19:36] <Akuli> lets get your grub fixed
[19:37] <kps_> i am using using ubuntu after choosing "try ubuntu" from usb stick
[19:37] <Akuli> ok, then lets get started
[19:37] <Akuli> open a terminal
[19:37] <Akuli> run this, and post the link it gives you here: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:37] <kps_> yes opende
[19:39] <kps_> it's showing temporary failure un mame resolution
[19:39] <kps_> did u type wrongly?
[19:40] <kps_> sorry did i type wrongly
[19:40] <Akuli> are you connected to internet?
[19:40] <kps_> that's what i was trying to say
[19:40] <kps_> no
[19:40] <Akuli> connect
[19:40] <Akuli> or if not possible
[19:41] <Akuli> you can save that to a text file instead, transfer that to another computer and paste it to dpaste.com
[19:41] <Akuli> to get started you could do this: lsblk > Desktop/bring-this-to-akuli.txt
[19:43] <kps_> http://termbin.com/1t5l
[19:43] <kps_> this is what it has shown after typing that
[19:44] <kps_> hey mr. akuli are you there?
[19:44] <Akuli> ues
[19:45] <Akuli> yes
[19:45] <alkisg> This shows a bit more output: sudo lsblk --fs
[19:45] <Akuli> kps_, its a link, open it
[19:45] <Akuli> alkisg, thats actually a nice idea :)
[19:46] <alkisg> ;)
[19:46] <Akuli> kps_, do you know which of the lines is your ubuntu partition?
[19:46] <kps_> yes
[19:46] <Akuli> which is it?
[19:47] <kps_> and btw i loaded ubunti after creating just root partition
[19:47] <Akuli> so you did it the debootstrap way?
[19:47] <Akuli> nice
[19:47] <kps_> sda2 ext4  bbsda
[19:48] <kps_> --sda. instead of bbsda
[19:48] <Akuli> mount your ubuntu partition: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[19:48] <Akuli> chroot to it: sudo chroot /mnt
[19:48] <Akuli> actually dont chroot just yet
[19:48] <alkisg> Is it mbr or uefi?
[19:48] <kps_> uefi
[19:48] <alkisg> (err, bios/uefi, mbr/gpt...)
[19:49] <kps_> btw in sda3 ubuntu
[19:50] <Akuli> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_the_LiveCD_terminal
[19:50] <alkisg> When you installed, did the installer say anything about grub issues? Like, "grub was not installed successfully..."?
[19:50] <ss__> hey y'all. nice to be on irc again. totally loving ubuntu MATE 16.04, fucking amazing release
[19:50] <Akuli> Hi ss__
[19:51] <kps_> didn't get you afywr mount command
[19:51] <kps_> after
[19:52] <kps_> no
[19:52] <Akuli> so your windows just updated itself and now you have no grub?
[19:53] <kps_> no it's not like i already had windows 10 but i just installed ubuntu mate for the first time in this pc.
[19:54] <ss__> i see in synaptic that the global menu package is preinstalled, yet i am not getting global menus, and i can't figure out how to activate it. by the way, i am running ubuntu MATE on an original netbook from 2008 with just 1gb of ram, and i am able to watch videos smoothly with kodi, and this machine has never felt this powerful, since 10.10
[19:55] <alkisg> kps_: can you try this? (1) boot with the live cd, (2) in the live cd grub menu, press "c" to get to the grub console, (3) there, type: set root=(hd0,gpt3) and then: configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:55] <kps_> so on getting switch on my pc it should show which os i want to boot but it's automatically booting windowa 10 againa and again
[19:55] <alkisg> kps_: I think this will allow you to boot into your Ubuntu installation, and that it's an issue with UEFI default entry
[19:56] <kps_> where would i get grub menu ?
[19:56] <kps_> m having usb stick
[19:56] <kps_> live usb stick*
[19:57] <alkisg> When you boot with the stick, don't you see a simple grub menu?
[19:58] <alkisg> Something similar to that: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dJ4SVdTYPN4/UIO8WD0uoBI/AAAAAAAAAZA/_7OC-oPKjmk/s576/grub-0.jpg
[19:58] <kps_> ohh that's what grub menu is okay
[20:00] <Akuli> your usb stick may not show up one though
[20:00] <alkisg> ss__: what's a "global menu"? what's the package name?
[20:00] <kps_> with that procedure you told above will not hinder me in in booting windows 10 right,na ?
[20:01] <alkisg> kps_: that's a one-time thing, it doesn't save anything
[20:01] <alkisg> You'll be able to boot only one time with that, it will change nothing
[20:01] <alkisg> If it works, we'll see how to set the default uefi entry
[20:01] <kps_> nothing happened with that thing
[20:01] <alkisg> If it doesn't, we'll check if it's something else
[20:01] <alkisg> Did you see any error messages?
[20:02] <alkisg> E.g. gpt3 might not be the correct one
[20:02] <kps_> it just loaded ascreen with grub written there
[20:02] <kps_> no nothing error was there
[20:02] <alkisg> That second screen is the correct grub menu
[20:02] <alkisg> That one should mention "load ubuntu" etc
[20:02] <kps_> okay then ?
[20:03] <alkisg> There you should just select to boot ubuntu
[20:03] <alkisg> Try it, let's see
[20:03] <ss__> alkisg: um, sorry i thought that was the name commonly used for the menu included in the top panel a la osx and ubuntu unity
[20:03] <Akuli> thanks for helping here alkisg :) its nice to see that i'm not the only helper here
[20:03] <alkisg> Akuli: you're doing a great job!
[20:03] <alkisg> Many thanks to you!
[20:04] <alkisg> ss__: sorry, no idea about that OS/X - style menu
[20:04] <alkisg> I think mate tweak has some option for something similar, some floating icons in the bottom, but I've never used it
[20:04] <ss__> alkisg, like almost anything, some ppl love it some hate it. i am in the former camp, and especially since using a netbook, it is a space saving feature
[20:04] <alkisg> mate tweak is preinstalled, available in the menus
[20:05]  * alkisg is using the redmont menu, single bar in the bottom, similar to xp
[20:05] <kps_> what am i supposed to do now  err pls help here
[20:05] <alkisg> kps_: did you ubuntu boot from the hard disk?
[20:06] <alkisg> *your
[20:06] <kps_> no
[20:06] <kps_> it's first time i installed ubuntu
[20:07] <alkisg> I mean, after the grub commands I mentioned
[20:07] <alkisg> Those commands were supposed to let you start with the live cd, then boot from the ubuntu in the hard disk
[20:08] <alkisg> *live usb stick
[20:08] <kps_> but nothing happened with those except getting again grub written screen
[20:08] <ss__> alkisg, i'm looking for the package name, in the meantime, global menu, which is the term i searched in synaptic would put for instance the hexchat, view, server, settings, window, help menus into the top panel rather than taking up an additional 22 or 24 pixels of my small, short screen
[20:08] <alkisg> kps_: was it the same grub screen or a different grub screen?
[20:09] <ss__> alkisg, it seems the name of the package must be 'topmenu'
[20:10] <kps_> different
[20:10] <alkisg> ss__: I have something like this, only 24 pixels at the bottom, nothing at the top: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RouYFicwT1Y/VQcO-Xjq76I/AAAAAAAAFOM/_a8CqaYtSyI/s1600/%D0%A1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BA-2.png
[20:10] <alkisg> From that same menu there are other options, I think one of them has a floating menu
[20:10] <alkisg> kps_: that's the menu that should allow you to boot ubuntu without the stick
[20:11] <alkisg> Did you select "boot ubuntu" from that second grub menu?
[20:11] <kps_> there came nothing to select out of
[20:12] <ss__> alkisg, have u ever used unity de or a mac?
[20:12] <alkisg> I don't understand what you're saying
[20:12] <alkisg> ss__: I've seen unity, but I don't think I can help, I don't have experience with other menus
[20:12] <alkisg> Only that mate-tweak option
[20:12] <ss__> alkisg, ok, thanks anyway
[20:13] <alkisg> kps_: what where the options of that other grub menu?
[20:13] <ss__> alkisg, oh wait a second, i just found out how to use it
[20:14] <ss__> alkisg, if u use mutiny on tweak, the hexchat menu's become  integrated with the top panel
[20:15] <kps_> actually there nothing except "grub>k there.those command worked like clear "command of dos
[20:16] <alkisg> kps_: tab autocompletes file names, and it's a way to check that the paths are correct
[20:16] <ss__> so it seems it is used by default on the mutiny panel layout. i am not sure how to include it on my customized layout, but finding this is good enough for me, i will customize this layout now
[20:16] <alkisg> So, configfile /boot/grub/gru<tab> should autocomplete grub.cfg
[20:16] <alkisg> If it doesn't, then it's not the correct partition
[20:16] <ss__> alkisg, so it seems it is used by default on the mutiny panel layout. i am not sure how to include it on my customized layout, but finding this is good enough for me, i will customize this layout now
[20:16] <alkisg> ss__: nice! :)
[20:17] <ss__> alkisg, just fyi
[20:17] <ss__> alkisg, r u a MATE or ubuntu MATE dev?
[20:17] <alkisg> ss__: no
[20:17] <alkisg> Just a user
[20:18] <ss__> alkisg, ok, well, thanks for being a helpful user mate ;)
[20:18] <alkisg> ;)
[20:18] <ss__> alkisg, fucking LOVING this release
[20:30] <bugworm> hello everyone. I am pretty new to Ubuntu Mate, but i am using it on a Lenovo 300 Yoga, with everything working straight out of the box, except the rotation sensor. Thats pretty aweseome. Any hint, or tip, who i can ask to get that running, or better, how to improve rotational touchscreen support for all Ubuntu versions ? (i am ready to do some wor
[20:30] <bugworm> k here :D)
[20:32] <ss__> bugworm, cool to know it mostly works on a yoga, those are nice and might be my next laptop
[20:33] <ss__> bugworm, sorry tho that i have no advice about the rotation, hope there is a solution out there
[20:59] <ubuntu-mate> salve, ho appena terminato di installare ubuntu
[20:59] <ubuntu-mate> salve, ho appena terminato di installare ubuntu mate, ma al riavvio non parte il grub, cosa devo fare?
[22:48] <ken_> why is my isp saying linux is bad for me and linux is a virus
[22:50] <ken_> why is my isp saying linux is bad for me and linux is a virus
[22:50] <ken_> why is my isp saying linux is bad for me and linux is a virus
[22:54] <ouroumov> haha
[22:55] <ken_> why is my isp saying linux is bad for me and linux is a virus
[22:55] <ouroumov> Maybe they have a contract with µ$0ft
[22:56] <ken_> they said is bad for my country
[22:56] <ken_> that hackers will attack me
[22:56] <ouroumov> What's your country?
[22:57] <ken_> trinidad and tobago
[22:57] <ouroumov> And what's your ISP?
[22:58] <ken_> flow trinidad
[23:00] <ouroumov> That's cool
[23:00] <ken_> is this true
[23:00] <ouroumov> And when you say your ISP says those things, where does it do that exactly?
[23:01] <ouroumov> On a website?
[23:01] <ken_> they say it affect they system
[23:01] <ken_> severs
[23:02] <ken_> they run on windows severs
[23:02] <ouroumov> Areyouserious?
[23:02] <ouroumov> Wow.
[23:03] <ouroumov> Was about to say they probably run their infra on Linux lol
[23:03] <ken_> what really
[23:03] <ken_> they run linux
[23:03] <ken_> they are ling to me
[23:04] <ouroumov> No man, not what I said
[23:04] <ouroumov> It's possible they are using Windows, even if they're the only ones on the planet
[23:04] <ken_> plus they said linux is from the nsa and cia
[23:05] <ouroumov> Are you sure you didn't swap those two terms: (Windows, Linux) ?
[23:06] <ken_> no
[23:07] <ken_> they are saying to leave now
[23:07] <ken_> or they will sue me for breaking the freedom of imformation act.
[23:08] <ouroumov> You're either trolling or this is the saddest story ever
[23:09] <ouroumov> Also this is an American Law dude
[23:09] <ken_> so i might go to jail
[23:09] <ken_> will i not tell lies they are
[23:10] <ken_> and i will be leaving linux
[23:10] <ken_> my company
[23:10] <randall> wait....what?
[23:10] <ouroumov> This is awesome
[23:11] <ouroumov> randall, imagine ken_ is a performer and this is Theater.
[23:11] <ken_>  my whole country might never use linux
[23:11] <randall> ouroumov, ahhhhh, ok
[23:11] <ken_> my isp said i am breaking laws
[23:12] <ken_> in my country and worldwide
[23:12] <randall> illegal downloading?
[23:12] <randall> wire fraud?
[23:13] <randall> buying drugs on the silk road?
[23:13] <ouroumov> Not using a gov-approved OS :D
[23:13] <randall> hiring hitmen?
[23:13] <ken_> they said linux is illegal in many countries
[23:13] <ouroumov> Surely it's illegal in Wonderland
[23:13] <randall> care to name 3 of them?
[23:13] <ouroumov> And in the new republic of Mars


[10:20] <rmg51> Morning
[12:46] <icey> ahoy
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[16:31]  * jthan yawns


[06:45] <kklimonda> jcastro: yes, I just read it. I still have to decide whether we will be able to ship Transmission 2.2x in natty (as we won't be able to update one library in time) but hopefully I'll make the decision in the next few days and start looking and the new API :)
[08:34] <lamalex> smspillaz,
[08:34] <lamalex> whoops
[08:34] <lamalex> nm
[08:58] <smspillaz> lamalex: SUP
[08:59] <smspillaz> lamalex: also, go to bed
[08:59] <smspillaz> :)
[09:10] <lamalex> smspillaz, long story but i am staying up for a friend
[09:11] <lamalex> so i am sleeping all day while she is on the bus
[09:11] <lamalex> and then waking up when she gets off the bus
[09:11] <lamalex> and then going back to sleep when we get back to my house
[11:54] <kklimonda> jcastro: so, I've been thinking about how to use libunity with Transmission and I see few nice ways to use quick lists (for transfer limiting, pausing and unpausing) but I don't see any good use for the other APIs (numbers and progress) - any ideas? :)
[14:14] <jcastro> kklimonda: yeah I have some ideas
[14:14] <jcastro> kklimonda: if you have say, 5 things downloading
[14:14] <jcastro> show a "5" and then a progress meter for all of them together
[14:15] <jcastro> the way I use torrents is they're always kind of running for a long time
[14:17] <kklimonda> jcastro: hmm.. yeah.. I think I can see that..
[14:18] <jcastro> kklimonda: so I was thinking like this ....
[14:19] <jcastro> I want to dl 5 torrents, so I queue em up
[14:19] <jcastro> show 5 and a bar
[14:19] <jcastro> as torrent  5 downloads, show a progress until it's done
[14:19] <jcastro> then it hits 4, and the bar starts over
[14:19] <jcastro> and so on ...
[14:19] <jcastro> or maybe users would prefer the bar show progress for all 5 as a whole
[14:21] <kklimonda> jcastro: bah, Transmission doesn't have download queues afair
[14:21] <jcastro> ahhhh
[14:21] <jcastro> that's right, now I remember why I use deluge. :)
[14:21] <jcastro> well that makes the progress bar easy then
[14:21] <jcastro> and you probably don't need the count?
[14:22] <jcastro> <-- off to meet the tax man, I'll bbl.
[14:22] <kklimonda> jcastro: right, but the progress bar doesn't really say much if there are more than one torrent active.. :)
[20:47] <PsynoKhi0> heya, any Unity designer on? :)
[20:51] <mmoussouni> hi
[20:51] <mmoussouni> I have a problem about unity
[20:52] <mmoussouni> is there somebody?
[20:57] <PsynoKhi0> chaotic: hi, are you the right person to get in touch with if one has a suggestion about Unity's appearance?
[21:25] <PsynoKhi0> Oh well here it goes, in case someone's reading: I think the top-left Ubuntu icon in Unity would be improved if there were visual clues that it actually does something
[21:26] <PsynoKhi0> had I not used the old GNOME desktop nor seen Unity videos, I doubt I would have seen that icon as more than mere decoration
[21:27] <PsynoKhi0> for example, I think the icon should e.g. lighten up when the Launcher bad slides out of the screen
[21:29] <PsynoKhi0> i.e. having the icon contrast with the rest of the desktop so that completely new users get a clue that this icon has some functionality linked to it
[21:29] <PsynoKhi0> that would make the interface more intuitive IMO
[21:30] <PsynoKhi0> as it stands, the icon is completely flat and its semantics are far from "Click me!" :)
[21:31] <PsynoKhi0> MS seem to think they can get away removing the "Start" text on the menu icon in vista and 7 due to the brand's mind share, but IMO that's a huge usability blunder
[21:32] <PsynoKhi0> *sigh* log food eh? :(
[21:44] <Omega> PsynoKhi0: I agree.
[21:46] <PsynoKhi0> Omega: great! :)
[21:46] <PsynoKhi0> oy... "Launcher bar" not "Launcher bad"*
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> Omega: are you part of the Ayanat team by any chance?
[21:51] <PsynoKhi0> Ayanata*
[21:53] <Omega> PsynoKhi0: No.
[21:54] <Omega> PsynoKhi0: I think this belongs on Ubuntu brainstorm, you could possible bring it up on the mailing list too.
[21:57] <PsynoKhi0> Omega: Brainstorm sounds good, gonna look into it, thanks!
[22:32] <PsynoKhi0> ok, submitted to the brainstorm :)
[22:46] <PsynoKhi0> and I managed to misspell the title ^^


[11:14] <knome> bluesabre, JackFrost, pleia2, ochosi: PoC for serving release notes (and other documents) from github pages with jekyll: http://ghp.knome.fi/
[11:15] <knome> obviously will need to tweak the looks a bit
[11:15] <knome> and the source: https://github.com/knomepasi/ghp.knome.fi
[11:16] <knome> (also, hi, it's my first dabble with jekyll!)
[17:42] <bluesabre> Nice!
[20:09] <pleia2> knome: neat
[23:22] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-installer - Flutter installer fork for Xubuntu... things to do: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxfCEXdCLhFmfY4h7qKkmJGXmEUbEX-8sR_A_XshRTE/edit?pli=1
[23:23] <bluesabre> (I've only just forked the repo, leaving notes for myself or anybody else that wants to take a crack at it)
[23:39] <bluesabre> Here's what Edubuntu's is looking like: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/help-with-edubuntu-desktop-installer/41683/13


[06:16] <mup> Bug #2039910 opened: Pagination page count at the top of the page is confusing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039910>
[06:19] <mup> Bug #2039910 changed: Pagination page count at the top of the page is confusing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039910>
[06:25] <mup> Bug #2039910 opened: Pagination page count at the top of the page is confusing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039910>
[10:04] <mup> Bug #2039952 opened: bind restarts many times during the day <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039952>
[15:58] <mup> Bug #2039986 opened: Machines keep installing in a loop <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039986>


[02:21] <RAOF> Hey, now that we're on the hook for GNOME Shell, could we please implement some sort of attempt at focus-stealing-prevention, rather than the current approach of ”it's hard, let's go shopping”?
[02:28] <duflu> RAOF: I know that's your pet peve. Mine is the lack of precision in libinput... Generally though we're keen to not do the development downstream so please feel free to remind upstream.
[02:35] <jamesh> duflu: with that xwayland DPMS issue that came up last night, would there be any downside to xwayland claiming to support DPMS and then doing nothing?
[02:36] <jamesh> the X11 extension provides no way for clients to query the state, after all
[02:36] <duflu> jamesh: Yes, the downside is that diagnostic tools like xset would then report it's working and the screen would still blank when it shouldn't
[02:37] <jamesh> but would you want legacy apps causing the screen to blank?
[02:37] <duflu> jamesh, We implemented it in Xmir. Just need to find (or wait for) some sensible wayland API to implement it
[02:37] <duflu> jamesh: Yes.  Would be useful to debug and confirm still
[02:38] <jamesh> duflu: I think you are correct, looking at that part of the chromium source
[02:39] <jamesh> for Chromium in particular, it doesn't seem to do anything with the DPMS extension other than query whether the screen supports it
[02:40] <jamesh> it then uses completely different means to prevent blanking
[02:40] <jamesh> which is a little weird
[02:40] <duflu> jamesh: Oh....
[02:41] <duflu> jamesh: So it uses a screensaver API to block it?
[02:41] <jamesh> duflu: for GNOME and Unity, it is talking to org.gnome.SessionManager on D-Bus
[02:41] <jamesh> but it won't even attempt that if DPMSCapable() is false
[02:42] <duflu> jamesh: Yeah that's weird. Sounds like a fix might go in Chromium. But not Xwayland
[02:42] <jamesh> could probably verify with an LD_PRELOAD hack
[02:42] <duflu> Because returning false when you don't support it is absolutely right
[04:55] <robert_ancell> RAOF, that annoys me too...
[04:55] <robert_ancell> (the focus thing)
[04:56] <robert_ancell> jamesh, would you be interested on working on some gnome-software bugs?
[04:56] <jamesh> robert_ancell: sure.  What needs looking at?
[04:57] <robert_ancell> jamesh, basically what's in the Trello board with the gnome-software tag
[04:57] <jamesh> okay
[04:58] <robert_ancell> jamesh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1690280 might be a good one to start with
[04:59] <robert_ancell> It needs a design to be worked out for warning the user appropriately of the risk of a classic snap
[04:59] <robert_ancell> Then work with gnome-software upstream to make that work
[05:00] <robert_ancell> And finally some backporting to older releases
[05:00] <robert_ancell> But there's a patch in the bug report which does the actual installing
[05:00] <robert_ancell> But let me know if anything else looks interesting. A lot of them have some work done but happy to handover
[05:11]  * robert_ancell -> EOD
[05:58] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[05:59] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN
[06:08] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:47] <didrocks> good morning
[07:01] <jibel> morning
[07:47] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, jibel, et seb128 ! comment allez-vous ?
[07:47] <didrocks> ça va pitti, et toi ?
[07:48] <pitti> ça va bien ! j'aime le temps d'été :)
[07:48] <didrocks> oui, pareil ici, c'est agréable :)
[07:51] <andyrock> morning!
[08:00] <oSoMoN> willcooke, good morning. Just saw your question about chromium window in artful and touch, sorry I missed it yesterday
[08:00] <oSoMoN> no idea what that could be though
[08:01] <oSoMoN> does it have client-side decorations, or a regular title bar?
[08:03] <duflu> Confusingly, when I was fixing my first light-themes bug I found gtk likes to use 'csd' to refer to the decorations that are actually server side decorations. The client side decorations where in the CSS that was /not/ called 'csd' :)
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:04] <duflu> -where + were
[08:04] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, seb128
[08:04] <seb128> and bbiab, I need to move, be back in 10min or so
[08:04] <duflu> 'lo
[08:06] <jibel> bonjour pitti! ça va bien, moi aussi j'aime le temps estival :)
[08:06] <jibel> (new word for you maybe 'estival') ;)
[08:07] <willcooke> morning all
[08:08] <pitti> jibel: c'est très proche de "festival" :-)
[08:09] <willcooke> oSoMoN, nw!  Regular title bar.  Also I noticed Firefox is the same.  And it doesn't give the correct hints to the shell to show the OSK when needed.
[08:09] <willcooke> oSoMoN, Shall I log some bugs?
[08:09] <oSoMoN> willcooke, please do
[08:16] <jibel> pitti, indeed. Un festival estival! ;)
[08:16] <pitti> jibel: 👍
[08:24] <Laney> hey pitti
[08:24] <pitti> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[08:26] <seb128> back
[08:27] <Laney> pitti: nicht schlecht, danke - gestern habe ich zu shell gewechselt (?????)
[08:27] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[08:27] <pitti> Laney: sehr gut!
[08:28] <pitti> Laney: I tried to switch to Shell like three times, and switched back as it was wasting so much screen space compared to unity..
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: sehr gut, danke! und dir und dem Mini-Seb?
[08:29] <seb128> duflu, pittis, auch sehr gut, maar ein bisschen müde
[08:30] <duflu> uh, wie bitte?
[08:30] <duflu> :)
[08:30] <duflu> Oh, right
[08:30] <pitti> mauvais sommeil?
[08:34] <duflu> pitti, thanks for the quick turnaround
[08:34] <duflu> and sorry my German is too rust
[08:34] <duflu> rusty
[08:34] <pitti> you're welcome
[08:36] <koza> morning
[08:40] <Laney> syncpackage: Error: The source package 'gilb2.0' does not exist in the Debian primary archive in experimental, experimental-security, experimental-updates or experimental-proposed
[08:40] <Laney> that message made me WAT on two counts
[08:40] <pitti> what's the other count?
[08:41] <willcooke> oSoMoN, is this the right place for bugs?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium
[08:41] <Laney> First one is that glib2.0 didn't exist when I knew it did :-)
[08:41] <pitti> ah, I thought the first count was the typo
[08:41] <oSoMoN> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser
[08:41] <Laney> and the second one is the concept of experimental{-security,-updates,-proposed}
[08:41] <Laney> yeah
[08:41] <pitti> oh, indeed :)
[08:41] <Laney> took me some seconds to see it
[08:41] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
[08:42] <Laney> ubuntu-bug chromium-browser!
[08:42] <Laney> oh that reminds me that u-d-t FTBFSed
[08:42] <Laney> should probably fix that
[08:43] <oSoMoN> right, ubuntu-bug is preferred
[08:43] <Laney> launchpad doesn't mail for sync ftbfses and britney didn't tell me it was stuck in proposed either
[08:43] <Laney> such bugs
[08:53] <willcooke> urgh
[08:53] <willcooke> Laney, "xdg-open: no method available for opening https://bugs.fooooooooo"
[08:54] <willcooke> wait
[08:54] <seb128> willcooke, what did you do this time!
[08:55] <willcooke> humm.  I installed Chrome.  Then it asked if it could be the default, and I said yes
[08:55] <willcooke> now restting firefox to be the default and trying again
[08:55] <willcooke> nope
[08:55] <willcooke> same problem
[08:55] <seb128> artful?
[08:55] <willcooke> ya
[08:58] <seb128> willcooke, $  xdg-settings get default-web-browser
[08:58] <seb128> ?
[08:58] <seb128> $ xdg-settings get default-url-scheme-handler https
[09:00] <Laney> thx seb128
[09:01] <seb128> Laney, for?
[09:02] <Laney> handling the query
[09:02] <willcooke> Laney, google-chrome.desktop
[09:02] <seb128> yw I guess? :-)
[09:02] <willcooke> however, I told firefox to be the default
[09:03] <willcooke> oh, it's because that's an old terminal
[09:04] <willcooke> doing it in a new terminal shows firefox.desktop
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, ditto - shows firefox
[09:05] <seb128> I guess xdg-utils is having an issue, let me see if I get that here
[09:05] <seb128> willcooke, if you "xdg-open https://bug" you get the same error I guess?
[09:16] <willcooke> seb128, so turns out the bug is:  open a terminal, install chrome, set chrome to be your default, do all this while leaving the terminal open.  Go back to that original terminal and xdg-open is "broken".  If you open a new terminal, everything works fine
[09:17] <seb128> k, so xdg-utils is a bunch of shell script
[09:17] <seb128> it probably isn't dynamic enough
[09:18] <andyrock> i guess it depends on the way it sets the enviroment variables
[09:18] <andyrock> iff it uses env variables to deal with this
[09:18] <seb128> willcooke, so you started chrome from the same command line?
[09:19] <seb128> in practice most users are probably going to install or start the browser from the UI
[09:19] <willcooke> seb128, probably not - probably started it from the UI
[09:19] <willcooke> I think it's just that that terminal session needed to reread some "stuff"
[09:19] <willcooke> anyway, minor issue imo
[09:21] <seb128> yeah
[09:22] <seb128> but how did you try to open the url?
[09:22] <seb128> I would have expected that clicking on an http link in e.g tomboy to open the new handler
[09:23] <seb128> or any other graphical component
[09:30] <seb128> k, dropping offline for a bit
[09:30] <seb128> going for lunch and trying to work for a new place after that
[09:31] <seb128> bbl
[10:14] <willcooke> laney, when you get a mo. can you try operating nautilus with touch?  I'm seeing very odd behaviour.    Curious if I'm just doing it wrong
[10:14] <willcooke> operating = opening files and folders
[10:20] <Laney> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/nautilus.mp4
[10:20] <Laney> it got messed up because of hidpi but you get the idea
[10:20] <Laney> that's all touch
[10:21] <willcooke> Laney, interesting, thanks.
[10:22] <willcooke> man, hidpi looks nice
[10:23] <Laney> are you on wayland?
[10:23] <Laney> this is X
[10:23] <Laney> and yeah, it's boss
[10:23] <Laney> not boss for battery life but you can't have it all /o\
[10:23] <willcooke> :)
[10:23] <willcooke> ah, perhaps this is a wayland thing then
[10:29] <Laney> yeah just went to wayland, messed up there
[10:29] <Laney> do we have a tag or something for wayland bugs?
[10:29]  * Laney has the jibel white terminal outline too
[10:35] <willcooke> no white terminal outline here, odd.
[10:37] <Laney> lucky~~~~~
[10:46] <willcooke> Laney, shall I log a bug against Nautilus for the oddness?
[10:46] <willcooke> and just tag it "wayland" for now?
[10:46] <Laney> willcooke: I guess start there, but it's probably going to end up being a gtk/mutter thing
[10:46] <Laney> can reassign tho
[10:47] <willcooke> ack, thx
[10:47] <willcooke> Laney, next question, do you know of any screen recorders that work with Wayland?
[10:47] <Laney> shell has something built in
[10:47] <Laney> CAS-r I think
[10:48] <Laney> that's it, not tried it on wayland though but I assume that it works there
[10:50] <willcooke> seems to, thanks
[10:52] <Laney> np
[10:57] <willcooke> humm, not sure it's really a bug now.  Meh, I will log it anyway and we can ignore if needed
[11:02] <willcooke> Laney, seems ubuntu-bug auto-adds the "wayland-session" tag, so shall we stick with that
[11:03] <Laney> noisy https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland-session
[11:05] <Laney> well
[11:05] <Laney> maybe those should be triaged
[11:06] <willcooke> yeah, it's not too bad, there are some that can probably be detagged right away
[11:07] <willcooke> I'll take a quick look now
[11:09] <chrisccoulson> does anybody use banshee these days?
[11:11] <oSoMoN> haven't used it in years, should I give it another try?
[11:14] <willcooke> Laney, some very minor triage done.  Only about 5 bugs
[11:21] <oSoMoN> trying banshee now, how the heck do I quit the app? (and stop playback, while at it)
[11:22] <oSoMoN> pause and close works, apparently
[11:23] <oSoMoN> looks like closing the window only hides it while there’s something playing back, and exits the app when nothing is playing back ?
[11:23] <willcooke> I think RBox does something similar
[11:24] <Laney> willcooke: thx
[11:24] <Laney> do we want to try to /fix/ some of this stuff?
[11:26] <willcooke> Well, we have a requirement from OEM to make sure touch works well on Shell, so some of the usibility issues, yes we should try and fix.  What I'm not sure about is do we want to start on them this cycle.  I don't think we'll get much time to do everything else, and we'll uncover a new one every day.
[11:26] <willcooke> So I think if we say that making Shell work well with touch is an 18.04 goal, then we should have a good list of issues by the start of the next cycle
[11:27] <Laney> I meant Wayland issues
[11:27] <willcooke> The ones which directly impact Shell, perhaps - see above.  But, e.g. "Application foo doesn't work on Wayland.." then probably not
[11:28] <Laney> Yes of course.
[11:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: that's exactly the behavior. I was requested in 2010 to implement this design (it's probably a distro-patch, I don't remember)
[11:38] <willcooke> Laney, are you chairing the meeting today?  If so I'll forward you the updates from those who aren't here
[11:39] <Laney> yes, thanks
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> Is someone adding the whoopsie settings to the control centre?
[11:51]  * didrocks would like we have a discussion about whoopsie again btw
[11:51] <didrocks> (maybe not for 17.10, but 18.04)
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> what sort of discussion?
[11:51] <didrocks> like going back to the sane report-bug behavior: disabling once released
[11:52] <didrocks> and opt-in in the installer
[11:55] <Laney> chrisccoulson: don't think we thought about / assigned that yet
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> Laney, awesome. I'm glad to be useful once in a while
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> Now, why isn't it finished yet?
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> :)
[11:56] <Laney> I heard you were looking for work to do :)
[12:01] <jbicha> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=wayland
[12:02] <jbicha> I've just been using the 'wayland' tag
[12:02] <Laney> looks like that overlaps with wayland-session
[12:03] <jbicha> except wayland-session is automatically added if someone happens to run GNOME on Wayland so the bugs may not be Wayland-specific at all
[13:16] <seb128> if I retry "autopkgtest for python-dbusmock/0.16.7-1: amd64: Regression ♻" on update_excuses, does it retry with the same version or with the current archive one?
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: with the current one
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:16] <pitti> it doesn't really have any other chance anyway, 0.16.7 is gone
[13:16]  * seb128 retries those
[13:16] <pitti> yes, 0.16.8 ought to fix stuff
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, technically it's in the librarian
[13:17] <seb128> or whatever the launchpad db is called
[13:17] <pitti> yes, but we only use apt and our repositories (consciously)
[13:17] <seb128> but yeah archive is easier
[13:17] <seb128> good
[13:48] <seb128> jbicha, hey, were you waiting for eds to be binNEWed to upload evolution?
[13:49] <jbicha> seb128: yes
[13:49] <seb128> jbicha, how did you notice it has been NEWed? I'm a bit curious :-)
[13:50] <seb128> just from the -devel discussion
[13:50] <seb128> (I don't think we notify uploaders about binNEW?)
[13:51] <jbicha> I noticed because I happened to check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/+queue?queue_state=0
[13:51] <jbicha> I was a bit early uploading evolution as the new e-d-s binaries haven't even been published yet!
[13:52] <seb128> yeah, I was going to say
[13:52] <seb128> you could as well have uploaded it weeks ago and let depwait do its thing
[14:38] <Laney> ooh my astrantia has been sent
[14:50] <seb128> hum
[14:50] <seb128> how do one tell update_excuses to consider new versions of tests?
[14:51] <seb128> bluez still has "autopkgtest for python-dbusmock/0.16.7-1: amd64: Regression ♻" but I retried it and it worked with 0.16.8-1
[14:51] <seb128> but seems like the migration script is not considering the new version
[14:53] <Laney> it will get it the next time proposed-migration runs
[14:54] <seb128> great
[14:55] <seb128> thanks
[14:55] <seb128> it looked like there was an update since the retry which is why I asked, but maybe things were not uptodate yet for some reason, let's see on the next one
[14:56] <seb128> k, moving places before the meeting
[14:56] <seb128> bbiab
[15:31] <Laney> oooooooooooooh
[15:31] <Laney> #startmeeting Desktop team 2017-06-13
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 13 15:31:48 2017 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:31] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <didrocks> hey hey
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:31] <Laney> wait
[15:32] <Laney> I need to find the log from last week to get the names
[15:32] <Laney> ¬_¬
[15:32] <didrocks> :)
[15:32] <oSoMoN> 👽/
[15:32] <kenvandine> o/
[15:32]  * Laney can't do 13-7
[15:33] <heber> o/
[15:33] <Laney> andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:33] <Trevinho> o/
[15:34]  * Trevinho forgot about the unmeeting... It was better when it was at midnight :-/
[15:34] <jbicha> o/
[15:34] <Laney> Trevinho: everyone forgets about it :|
[15:34] <seb128> lol
[15:34] <Laney> let's GO
[15:34] <Laney> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <seb128> I didn't but was not around, had to stop for some errands before the real meeting
[15:34] <andyrock> #1. Changed the design of canonical-livepatch + software-properties, as suggested by mpt
[15:34] <andyrock> #2. Deployed u1 and livepatch-token mock services in canonicstack
[15:34] <andyrock> #3. Created ppa with a demo
[15:34] <andyrock> #4. Fix failing test in unity7 + published new unity7 with the fix in artful
[15:34] <andyrock> #5. WIP: Removing some hacks in the canonical-livepatch gui (in particular communicate with sockets to enable/disable service and check the status)
[15:34] <andyrock> # eow
[15:35] <Laney> nice
[15:35] <Laney> I would try that but I've got no LTS installs :P
[15:35] <Laney> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> unfortunately nothing desktop-related this week
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:35] <Laney> hmm
[15:35] <Laney> topic is too long
[15:36] <Laney> thanks dgadomski, maybe next time ;-)
[15:36] <Laney> #topic didrocks
[15:36] <didrocks> :p
[15:36] <Laney> argh
[15:36] <Laney> lose
[15:36] <didrocks> (title is hardcoded)
[15:36] <didrocks> * snapcraft-desktop-helper:
[15:36] <didrocks>  - gtk settings init: theme fixes. Got an issue reported on the forum fixed back today. Implemented the necessary file sharing in snapd in unity7 interface (we will need to rename it at some point in "desktop" interface IMHO). That's now merged, pending on a snapd release.
[15:36] <didrocks>  - add other fixes to launcher (add more default theming). Did the same for our GNOME platform snap.
[15:36] <didrocks>  - strip down the size by removing ubuntu-app-platform (old SDK) support and Mir for desktop support. Branched though so that people can easily readd them if they need it.
[15:36] <didrocks> * amazon:
[15:36] <didrocks>  - rebase the snap on the version 1.0
[15:36] <didrocks>  - retested fully with rescratching the whole config (with and without the snap). The same blocker persists. Amazon guys acked the issue.
[15:36] <didrocks>  - discuss with security team and provide the base snap to get an interface working (at least, up to the point we are blocked on)
[15:37] <didrocks> * discussed some client-specific snap workshop organization
[15:37] <didrocks> .
[15:37] <Laney> \o/
[15:37] <Laney> thanks
[15:37] <Laney> #topic duflu
[15:37]  * Laney pastes
[15:38] <Laney> * PulseAudio:
[15:38] <Laney>   - SRU of A2DP Bluetooth audio fixes to xenial:
[15:38] <Laney>     . Moving slowly, but still moving:
[15:38] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&que
[15:38] <Laney> ue_text=pulseaudio
[15:38] <Laney> * BlueZ:
[15:38] <Laney>   - Proposed upgrade to 5.45: bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1696075
[15:38] <Laney>   - Drafted docs for git usage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Deskto
[15:38] <Laney> pTeam/Bluetooth/BluezGit
[15:38] <Laney>   - Blocked on a spurious test failure in a downstream:
[15:38] <Laney>     . bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1696480
[15:38] <Laney>     . Wrote, proposed and landed an upstream fix for python-dbusmock.
[15:38] <Laney>     . No bluez fix required.
[15:38] <Laney>     . Unblocked: Pitti released the fix to Ubuntu today.
[15:38] <Laney> * Video acceleration:
[15:38] <Laney>   - Tested a variety of players, videos, and hardware, in order to...
[15:38] <Laney>   - Worked out test cases (specific videos and target threshold)
[15:38] <Laney>   - Now I'm confident I know exactly what to do, and in what order.
[15:38] <Laney> * Ubuntu Themes:
[15:38] <Laney>   - Fixed the most visible and annoying Ambiance theme bug in artful Gnome:
[15:38] <Laney>     https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1693613
[15:38] <Laney> * Daily bug maintenance across gnome-shell, bluez, pulseaudio and mir.
[15:38] <Laney> #topic jbicha
[15:39] <jbicha> • Joined Core Dev
[15:39] <jbicha> • Pushed latest security release (2.16.3) of webkit2gtk in to Debian 9 "Stretch" just before the deadline. No promises for future updates but we'll see how it goes.
[15:39] <jbicha> • Became GNOME Tweak Tool's maintainer. Did a 3.25 and a 3.24 release and let people know about some 3.25 improvements via my blog.
[15:39] <jbicha> • Started discussion of several default apps on the ubuntu-desktop list
[15:39] <seb128> jbicha, congrats on coredev
[15:39] <jbicha> • Vala 0.36 transition
[15:39] <jbicha> thanks
[15:39] <jbicha> eof
[15:39] <kenvandine> jbicha, congrats!
[15:40] <Laney> nice one
[15:40] <Laney> #topic jamesh
[15:40] <Laney> only people with short nicks are allowed from now on
[15:40] <didrocks> :p
[15:41] <Laney> * xdg-desktop-portal/snap prototype: The snapd changes and
[15:41] <Laney> xdg-desktop-portal changes are working, with a snap being able to talk
[15:41] <Laney> to e.g. the proxy resolver interface.  I should have the
[15:41] <Laney> xdg-document-portal changes ready shortly, which is needed for the
[15:41] <Laney> file picker portals.  Next step is to put builds of the prototype into
[15:41] <Laney> a PPA.
[15:41] <Laney> * gnome-software: Robert asked me to look at a few bugs here.  I'm
[15:41] <Laney> starting on installation of snaps with classic confinement.
[15:41] <Laney> #topic heber
[15:41] <Laney> guessing it's you ;-)
[15:41] <heber> Hey guys! For the QA side:
[15:41] <heber> * Desktop test plan in progress.
[15:41] <heber> * Ubiquity and smoke jobs more stable and reliable.
[15:41] <heber> * First version of Job for running desktop tests on HW in progress.
[15:41] <heber> * Started discussing/defining some foundations needed before starting automating post install/upgrade tests.
[15:41] <heber> EOF
[15:42] <Laney> nice
[15:42] <Laney> is that still running at the platform-qa-jenkins?
[15:42] <heber> correct
[15:42]  * Laney nod
[15:42] <Laney> thanks!
[15:42] <heber> https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/view/Artful/
[15:43] <Laney> #topic kenvandine
[15:43] <kenvandine> * Enabled the mir backend in gtk and patched out the need for content-hub
[15:43] <kenvandine> * In updating my gnome snaps to use the gnome-3-24 snap I found some more packages that needed backports for xenial, so I backported those in the gnome-3-24 PPA
[15:43] <kenvandine> * Finished off the blog post on the poll results, and worked with marketing to get that published on insights.
[15:43] <kenvandine> * Had a great call with the gnome design team and gnome-shell maintainers
[15:43] <kenvandine> * trying to organize having mpt join us at guadec for a day to talk about status icons
[15:43] <kenvandine> * eof
[15:43] <kenvandine> s/*//g
[15:43] <kenvandine> :)
[15:44] <Laney> nice
[15:44] <Laney> design day sounds good ;-)
[15:44] <kenvandine> yeah, we plan to discuss the status icons api there
[15:44] <kenvandine> mpt would be a great addition to that
[15:44] <didrocks> kenvandine: on backport in the PPA, does it means that people who will want to use that platform snap will have to install the PPA? Do we have instructions for this?
[15:44] <Laney> we should get a topic list going so we don't forget to raise stuff
[15:45] <kenvandine> didrocks, yes... and there will be instructions
[15:45] <didrocks> "will" ok :-)
[15:45] <Laney> also
[15:45] <Laney> kenvandine: do you have commit access at gnome?
[15:45] <kenvandine> didrocks, once we get a few snaps done and in the store i'll be posting about that on insights
[15:45] <Laney> might be an idea to commit that de-content-hubification patch
[15:45] <kenvandine> Laney, i used to :)
[15:45] <kenvandine> not sure about now
[15:45] <Laney> so we're vanilla again when there's a point release
[15:46] <kenvandine> Laney, i wanted a little time to make sure those that wanted the mir backend are cool with having it without the pasteboard
[15:46] <didrocks> kenvandine: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com sounds a better place for this :)
[15:46] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, do we need to use the ppa? or should we just build a -dev snap from it?
[15:46] <kenvandine> didrocks, even better :)
[15:46] <didrocks> seb128: no -dev snap
[15:46] <Laney> ahah
[15:46] <didrocks> that was requested, worked on, and nacked
[15:47] <kenvandine> bummer
[15:47] <kenvandine> that would have been cool
[15:47] <didrocks> we can publish a tarball though
[15:47] <didrocks> let's discuss that maybe this week?
[15:47] <seb128> I though kde sort of did it for their framework
[15:47] <didrocks> they do a tarball
[15:47] <seb128> just building a tar for the snap builddir
[15:47] <seb128> from
[15:47] <seb128> but yeah
[15:47] <didrocks> +1 on the tarball
[15:47] <seb128> it's probably too much to discuss in that topic
[15:47] <didrocks> but let's discuss that maybe tomorrow?
[15:47] <seb128> *meeting
[15:47] <seb128> +1
[15:47] <kenvandine> +1
[15:48] <Laney> mmmmmmmmmooooooooooooving on
[15:48] <Laney> #topic Laney
[15:48] <Laney> • New glib2.0
[15:48] <Laney> • ubuntu-dev-tools test (FTBFS) fix & upload to exp
[15:48] <Laney> • Had a planning meeting in London to try to discuss priorities / what to do this cycle, TBA
[15:48] <Laney> • gnome-software
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ Rebased on master
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ some more codec fixes
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ working on dropping apt backend now
[15:48] <Laney> ∘ should be ready to test/upload this week
[15:48] <Laney> • Fixed a crash bug in gnome-terminal
[15:48] <Laney> 🙇
[15:48] <Laney> oh and I switched to Shell on both machines and played with that
[15:49]  * Laney is living the extension free life
[15:49] <Laney> for now
[15:49] <kenvandine> Laney, awesome :)
[15:49] <Laney> #topic oSoMoN
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • chromium 59.0.3071.86 promoted to stable last week but Chris found two issues with my packages (bug #1696965 and bug #1697496), working on them to get an update to users asap, and updated my test plan to ensure I catch this kind of regressions much earlier next time
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • updated chromium beta to 60.0.3112.24
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • updated chromium dev to 60.0.3112.20 then 61.0.3124.4 (looking into arm64 build failures on zesty and artful)
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • my packages for libreoffice 5.3.3 got sponsored into artful, thanks Seb!
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • started on debian merges, did gconf 3.2.6-4, thanks again Seb!
[15:49] <oSoMoN> • working on a script to automate debian/copyright generation for chromium
[15:49] <oSoMoN> 🝗🜨🝡
[15:50] <Laney> thanks
[15:50] <Laney> gconf, woah!
[15:50] <seb128> :-)
[15:50] <oSoMoN> yeah, gotta start somewhere :)
[15:50] <seb128> it was an easy one, one revision in Debian to merge
[15:50] <Laney> nod
[15:50] <seb128> good job with it oSoMoN :-)
[15:50]  * Laney usually fakemerges those ones
[15:50] <Laney> #topic seb128
[15:51] <seb128> • reviews & sponsoring for the team (libreoffice 5.3.3, bluez 5.45, pulseaudio SRU, gconf merge)
[15:51] <seb128> • 2 days of planning work in London
[15:51] <seb128> • NEW review of e-d-s update for artful
[15:51] <seb128> • replied to ubuntu-desktop@ emails about suggested new desktop components

[15:51] <Laney> oh yeah
[15:51] <Laney> didrocks forgot the kde new reviews in his summary
[15:51] <didrocks> Laney: I don't count Tuesday on my report :)
[15:51] <didrocks> so for next one
[15:51] <Laney> ahah
[15:51] <didrocks> (mine is ready on Tuesday morning)
[15:51] <seb128> :-)
[15:51] <didrocks> <spoil />
[15:51] <didrocks> :)
[15:51]  * Laney counts right up to 16:36 or so
[15:52] <Laney> #topic tkamppeter
[15:53] <Laney> WELL!
[15:53] <Laney> tkamppeter: let us have your status please ...
[15:54] <Laney> #topic Trevinho
[15:54] <Trevinho> · Joined the Fractional Scaling GNOME Hackfest
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Setup various hardware to run GNOME with jhbuild and fractional scaling branches
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Wrote an algorithm to pick the closest fractional levels close to integers that we can pick as logical size (to still have integer resolutions)
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Updated gnome-control-center to support new configuration API and to show available scaling values per selected resolution
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Some fixes in gnome shell toolkit to paint things taking in account the resource-scale
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Fixed the fullscreen animation when using resource scaling in wayland
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Defined al algorithm (to be tuned, as per discussion with vendors) to pick the preferred scaling value for each resolution (to be used as default)
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Various other random fixes
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Lots of other discussions (http://go.3v1n0.net/FactorialScalingJournal)
[15:54] <Trevinho>  ◦ Writing a resume of it
[15:54] <Trevinho> · Back to Europe :(
[15:54] <Trevinho> 🐒
[15:55] <Laney> thanks
[15:55] <Laney> ladies and gentlemen, our new wayland expert
[15:55] <didrocks> \o/
[15:55] <Trevinho> not really... but.. getting into it :-)
[15:55] <kenvandine> woot
[15:55] <seb128> :-)
[15:56] <seb128> Trevinho, we are going to miss having you online at the same time as us :p
[15:56]  * Laney has a shadows bug in wayland if you want to look :P
[15:56] <Laney> haha
[15:56] <Laney> le troll
[15:56] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah... :-D
[15:56] <Laney> oh, tkamppeter just emailed me
[15:56] <Laney> #topic tkamppeter 2
[15:56] <Laney> - CUPS: Did some tests for automatic queue creation and for needed changes on
[15:56] <Laney> cups-browsed. Found a crash in the new code in the CUPS library and reported
[15:56] <Laney> it upstream. Requested also a feature that clients can distinguish between
[15:56] <Laney> permanent and temporary CUPS queues.
[15:56] <Laney> - cups-filters: Tests upstream work for making it working with the new CUPS
[15:56] <Laney> which by itself auto-creates print queues.
[15:56] <Laney> - Google Summer of Code 2017: Student project coordination and mentoring.
[15:56] <Laney> - Bugs.
[15:57] <Laney> #topic robert_ancell
[15:57] <Laney> - LightDM / gnome-shell work - decided too hard to get done for 17.10
[15:57] <Laney> - Refactored gnome-software snap plugin refining, should be more efficient
[15:57] <Laney> reliable.
[15:57] <Laney> - Investigating default GNOME apps on Ubuntu
[15:57] <Laney> - Booking things for Snappy sprint
[15:57] <Laney> #topic AOB
[15:58] <jbicha> seb128: are you able to handle removals like LP: #1695928 ?
[15:58] <Laney> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 15:58:42 2017 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-06-13-15.31.moin.txt
[15:59] <jbicha> it looks like I entangled the UOA removal with the Evolution 3.24 transition (address-book-service needs to be rebuilt or removed)
[15:59] <didrocks> thanks everyone!
[15:59] <seb128> Laney shuting the AOB door without countdown :p
[15:59] <Laney> I waited 1 minute :P
[16:00] <oSoMoN> NOB
[16:00] <Laney> hahah
[16:00] <Laney> in (british) english that is rude
[16:00] <seb128> jbicha, technical I could yes, I didn't give enough consideration to that list of packages to know if I agree they should go from the archive and not stay in universe though
[16:01] <jbicha> seb128: do you know who else I should ping about Unity8 removal?
[16:01] <oSoMoN> man, I’m talking slang without even knowing it
[16:02] <Laney> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nob
[16:02] <Laney> (rude!)
[16:02] <kenvandine> lol
[16:02] <kenvandine> "Typically used as an excellent cheap insult. "
[16:03] <jbicha> I think gnome-weather is fairly uncontroversial for inclusion in ubuntu-desktop, unless we want to avoid gjs apps
[16:04] <seb128> jbicha, try xnox he seemed eager to press the delete trigger
[16:06] <seb128> jbicha, gjs apps is one question, the geolocation service used is another one, how reliable the service is a third one
[16:06] <jbicha> I believe it's the same geolocation service used by the Night Light feature
[16:07] <seb128> still doesn't tell me which one it is
[16:07] <seb128> we should probably talk to the owner of that service before DOSing  by making our default install ping it on regular basis :p
[16:07] <jbicha> seb128: is geoclue specific enough for what you're asking?
[16:08] <seb128> not really
[16:08] <seb128> there was a question on whether it's fine to hit that service by default
[16:08] <seb128> and if we respect they guideline
[16:08] <jbicha> the weather service or the location service?
[16:08] <seb128> both
[16:08] <seb128> whatever servers we make use of by using those features
[16:09] <seb128> they might have conditions stating that it's not fine to use their service like we do
[16:09] <seb128> or in commercial products or whatever
[16:09] <jbicha> I believe the Red Hat desktop ships gnome-weather by default so commercial is unlikely to be an issue
[16:10] <seb128> they maybe have an agreement with redhat
[16:10] <seb128> I just don't know
[16:10] <seb128> but I think we need to figure that out
[16:10] <seb128> and talk to whoever is hosting the service
[16:10] <seb128> to at least let them know what's going on
[16:11] <seb128> also I don't know if we are fine having our default desktop "pinging" to third party servers by default
[16:12] <seb128> my other issue is that whatever is returning a location is picking weird places, but that's a minor annoyance
[16:12] <seb128> like it shows me the weather for "zestienhoven airport"
[16:12] <seb128> I'm not in an airport and I don't even know where that place is
[16:12] <jbicha> I think we already do ping 3rd-party servers for stuff (Firefox, fwupd, etc.)
[16:13] <seb128> fwupd is being discussed and we are not sure we like it
[16:13] <jbicha> seb128: it sounds like you need the Maps app too then! ;)
[16:13] <seb128> :-)
[16:13] <jbicha> I don't understand what's not to like about firmware updating
[16:14] <seb128> what is not to like is not the firmware update
[16:14] <seb128> is having all ubuntu install pinging a third party server
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> I was wondering about this the other day actually
[16:15] <seb128> our users really didn't like when we suggested doing that toward one of our servers
[16:16] <jbicha> well, the captive portal detection will be the same basic thing
[16:16] <seb128> it might be controversial for some of our users as well yes
[16:16] <seb128> we should at least have a discussion about what services we are using, the impact
[16:16] <jbicha> at least for desktop, you can't use a web browser without pinging large numbers of 3rd party servers so I think the concern is overblown there
[16:16] <seb128> and document that we are doing so
[16:17] <jbicha> gnome-control-center has a Privacy pane where you can disable Location
[16:17] <seb128> maybe that should be off by default
[16:17] <jbicha> it makes sense to add the Captive Portal detection there (or to the Network panel)
[16:19] <jbicha> disabling those features and services by default isn't actually helping our users IMO
[16:20] <jbicha> anyway, I'm done with my AOB for today's mtg now :)
[16:21] <willcooke> Laney, those images on the maps thing were purely for my benefit - somewhere to put what they told me other than email.  I think I've worked it out now, and I'm trying to edit the maps
[16:25] <Laney> willcooke: ok, just looked like some random pictures to me ;-)
[16:25] <willcooke> Laney, :) yeah.
[16:25] <willcooke> This master SVG is a conundrum
[16:25] <Laney> what is the problem?
[16:31] <willcooke> Laney, http://imgur.com/a/aa3yf
[16:31] <willcooke> Laney, the current border is in blue, and it needs to move to the yellow
[16:33] <Laney> isn't that kashmir?
[16:33] <willcooke> think so
[16:33] <Laney> disputed region
[16:33] <Laney> is this request legitimate?
[16:33] <willcooke> interestingly Google maps shows something different to me than it does to the guy who reported it (who is in India)
[16:33] <willcooke> legal say it is
[16:34] <Laney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir#/media/File:Kashmir_region_2004.jpg
[16:34] <Laney> it's that green bit?
[16:40] <willcooke> Laney, hmm, I think so.  Most of it at least
[16:43] <jbicha> willcooke: Wikipedia says that Pakistan controls the northern part of Kashmir, although the whole thing is disputed
[16:44] <willcooke> right, I think that ties up with what I'm doing
[16:45] <Laney> you're putting it as part of india?
[16:47] <Laney> well, if you've got the OK :P
[17:03] <willcooke> I'm going to edit it, and then run it past legal
[17:08] <Laney> willcooke: if I'm going to be reviewing this then I would appreciate their statement on the merge request to ward off any backlash
[17:08]  * Laney thinks this is very sensitive
[17:09] <Laney> night all
[17:10] <willcooke> Laney, roger that.  night
[17:26] <oSoMoN> night all
[19:18] <cyphermox> jbicha: I have some issues with the last evolution upload... it disable 02_nss_paths.patch, which clearly won't apply but is still very required.
[19:18] <cyphermox> https://launchpad.net/~cyphermox/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/7896475/+listing-archive-extra
[19:19] <cyphermox> (disregard the failure on amd64, it's unrelated to that patch)
[19:24] <jbicha> cyphermox: feel free to upload that, and if you'd like to update https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/evolution/ubuntu too, that would be great
[19:25] <jbicha> maybe we should mention that repo in the Vcs fields
[19:25] <jbicha> eventually it will move to git
[19:28] <cyphermox> ok
[20:26] <willcooke> night all


[21:34] <RikMills> launchpad looks a tad unwell
[21:39] <cjwatson> not LP-specific, there seems to have been some kind of network event
[21:39] <cjwatson> IS is looking into it
[21:41] <RikMills> cjwatson: cheers for replying on a Saturday night!
[21:55] <cjwatson> np, I was just poking at a spam report and so noticed it
[21:58] <cjwatson> after cycling eight miles today and then rather unexpectedly having to walk the remaining 2.5 miles in the blazing sun (due to a puncture), sitting in front of the computer is about all I can manage :)
[21:59] <RikMills> yikes, I bet


[13:43] <mardy> cjwatson: about the libaccounts-glib merge: anyone can approve it, really: the changes have been already reviewed upstream, so it's just a formality
[13:48] <cjwatson> mardy: Thanks, somebody appears to have sorted it out over Christmas
[13:48] <cjwatson> judging by https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libaccounts-glib/1.19+16.04.20151221-0ubuntu1
[13:49] <cjwatson> I figured out what was up with libappindicator too (was in fact a dbus-glib bug), so most of the remaining s390x blockages should be clearing shortly
[13:49] <cjwatson> modulo perl transition, which I spent far longer than I should have done last night pushing forward
[17:01] <mitya57> mardy: yes, I published libaccounts-glib and libsignon-glib to unblock e-d-s and most of gnome stack.


[00:50] <yetoo> I have issues trying to build for gnome-software
[00:50] <yetoo> it wants a native dependency of rpm yet I have installed rpm and it still won't build
[00:51] <yetoo> I also have done sudo apt-get build-dep on gnome-software and I still get dependency errors.
[00:52] <jbicha> yetoo: you need to pass the meson flag -Denable-rpm=false
[00:53] <yetoo> Thanks


[05:29] <wasabi> So. This JVM thing. Should I cut out Sun's?
[05:34] <doko> wasabi: hmm, no, make gcj the default. users should switch manually to one of the non-free jvm's.
[05:34] <doko> and add /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 (blackdown)
[05:35] <wasabi> that is non-free.
[05:37] <dalibor> sun-derived, same crappy license.
[05:38] <dalibor> (not literally, but same crap that prevents debian from shipping it)
[05:38] <wasabi> Yup. BLack-down is just Sun's VM. I don't even know what they alter in it.
[05:38] <dalibor> no idea.


[15:53] <india_lima> hey, I got an OOPS on bugs.launchpad.net and (after a brief search through the bug list) didn't see an open bug for it
[15:54] <cjwatson> india_lima: do you have the OOPS ID?
[15:54] <india_lima> yep: OOPS-c66ce09895e35d61cbd8f81b672b1203
[15:54] <ubot5`> https://oops.canonical.com/?oopsid=OOPS-c66ce09895e35d61cbd8f81b672b1203
[15:54] <cjwatson> that looks familiar, give me a minute
[15:55] <india_lima> ah, ok - sorry if it's a duplicate!
[15:55] <cjwatson> india_lima: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1575903
[15:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1575903 in Launchpad itself "AJAX bug listing sort redirects to ++model++/+login when logged out, which OOPSes" [Critical,Triaged]
[15:57] <cjwatson> not had a chance to try to track it down further than that yet, I'm afraid
[15:59] <cjwatson> I believe logging in is a workaround
[16:04] <india_lima> ok, sound good - just to verify, can you check that this OOPS id is for the same issue? OOPS-173d3c4688499a75050a8180e37af3f4
[16:04] <ubot5`> https://oops.canonical.com/?oopsid=OOPS-173d3c4688499a75050a8180e37af3f4
[16:27] <cjwatson> india_lima: sure is
[16:27] <india_lima> great - thanks for the help!
[17:16] <dobey> hmm, apt-get update seems to be hanging on trying to talk to ppa.launchpad.net now
[17:19] <dobey> seems back now
[17:20] <dobey> or it's just insanely slow. now upgrade is hanging
[17:20] <dobey> trying to download debs
[17:21] <dobey> hmm, and now ok again. wonder what's going on
[23:59] <sarnold> I have 'bzr up' commands that are just hanging


[12:29] <TaJMoX> cellofellow: ubuntu doesnt really have runlevels
[12:30] <TaJMoX> runlevel 1 = normal boot   runlevel 2 = gdm boot
[12:30] <TaJMoX> not normal i mean single user
[12:30] <TaJMoX> !init
[12:30] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[12:30] <ryan__> how can you take back your nick
[12:31] <vidd_laptop>  /msg nickserv ghost [username]  [password]
[12:32] <ryan__> humm
[12:32] <ryan__> i tried that but it said The nickname [Jester45]  is not being enforced
[12:33] <cellofellow> TaJMoX: I just set up 3 for Multiuser COnsole Login.
[12:34] <cellofellow> TaJMoX: Now I just need the boot option for doing that.
[01:02] <mo0osah> if i use live cd to make ubuntu partition smaller and windows partition bigger would it mess up my boot loader?
[01:05] <vidd_laptop> it shouldnt
[01:21] <vidd> i tried to go to tty6 to startx but it says there is already a server running....
[01:21] <vidd> what am i doing wrong?
[01:29] <vidd> i got it
[01:31] <keb> yay
[01:33] <keb> why is xubuntu released with OSS as default sound interface? i thought ALSA was in the kernel and better quality
[01:38] <keb> hmm ... it seems to have ALSA, just gotta get some dev libs
[02:19] <Pumpernickel> It does have ALSA, and it uses it as default if it's supported.
[02:19] <keb> yeah i must have installed the dev libs for oss first
[02:20] <Pumpernickel> The -dev libs are used for development.  That's about it.
[02:20] <keb> yep
[02:21] <Pumpernickel> More likely, you changed some configuration option.
[02:21] <keb> i was compiling mplayer and it said ALSA support was not there
[02:22] <Pumpernickel> There you go.  Compiling with alsa support is different from using a pre-compiled, packaged, and shipped alsa.
[02:24] <keb> ok
[04:27] <keb> whatis the name of that ssh-agent replacement ?
[04:31] <keb> ah found it.  seahorse wasnt installed this time, but gnome-keyring was
[04:31] <keb> which one is better in xubuntu?
[04:48] <nikolaj_sd> hi, does anyone know how to disable the system beep on the login in feisty fawn?
[05:42] <Jamesinator> How can I edit the applications menu? When I click "Edit Menu" there's just a "system" option where the menus should be. I've just switched over from Gnome to Xfce.
[05:43] <Pumpernickel> Parts of the menu are autogenerated from *.desktop files.
[05:43] <Jamesinator> How can I edit it, then?
[05:43] <Pumpernickel> Edit the .desktop files.
[05:44] <Jamesinator> Why bother having an "Edit Menu" button if it isn't even usable. I just spent the last half hour looking through .desktop files and googling fixes but nothing has worked. Why should XFCE force me to manually find and edit these if it knows where they are already as it's building the menu from them?
[05:45] <gladier> hi guys, have an issue with ndiswrapper and a usb stick - ndiswrapper recognizes the device - but when i goto do an iwconfig/ifconfig the terminal freezes
[05:46] <Pumpernickel> Does it completely freeze, or is it just waiting for output from ifconfig that never arrives?
[05:47] <gladier> waits for an output that never arrives - ive checked the syslog and the kernel hasnt crashed
[05:48] <Pumpernickel> What device is it?  (Brand, model, etc.)
[05:51] <gladier> its a rebadged broadbom device - same chip as the really common linksys adaptor. this one is an asus wl-169gE
[05:54] <Pumpernickel> hm
[05:55] <gladier> i thought it was interesting
[05:55] <gladier> i have had it set up before - i just cant figure out why it isnt now
[05:57] <gladier> if i use any different drivers the kernel does crash
[06:01] <Pumpernickel> The ndiswrapper site has some very specific instructions for it, but that's about all I can find.
[06:01] <Pumpernickel> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_a/
[06:01] <gladier> yep .. written by me lol
[06:02] <Pumpernickel> Well, then - you're way ahead of me, here.
[06:03] <gladier> actually .. i just thought - that was on edgy - i wonder what theyve changed with feisty
[06:51] <cellofellow> I have a problem.
[06:52] <gladier> and we have a solution - but we need to know the problem
[06:52] <cellofellow> ok
[06:52] <cellofellow> I have this video card, and another,
[06:52] <cellofellow> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE]  (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA] ) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11 Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled]  [size=64M]  [virtual]  Expansion ROM at 20020000 [disabled]  [size=64K]
[06:52] <cellofellow> It doesn't run.
[06:52] <gladier> what do you mean by it doesnt run??
[06:53] <cellofellow> just a sec
[06:53] <cellofellow> here is the xorg.conf section
[06:53] <cellofellow> Section "Device" Identifier      "Virge" Driver          "s3virge" BusID           "PCI:00:0d.0" Option          "UseFBDev"              "true"
[06:53] <cellofellow> EndSection
[06:53] <cellofellow> oops
[06:53] <cellofellow> one more second, I'll get the error message.
[06:54] <gladier> im assuming that where each of those gaps are is supposed to be a new line?
[06:54] <cimon> hi all
[06:54] <cellofellow> (WW) S3VIRGE: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:13:0) found
[06:55] <cellofellow> gladier: yes
[06:55] <gladier> okidoke
[06:55] <cellofellow> that is error message from X. The video card just dies.
[06:55] <gladier> hold on .. you have two video cards?
[06:56] <cellofellow> I have an AGP TNT2 and this thing I just put in. I'm trying Xinerama.
[06:56] <gladier> so you currently have one or two video cards in the machine
[06:57] <cellofellow> two
[06:58] <cellofellow> It did the same thing with the VGA driver. (WW) VGA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:13:0) found
[06:59] <cellofellow> This error says PCI:0:13:0, but lspci says 00:0d.0
[06:59] <cellofellow> should I use what the X server wants?
[06:59] <cellofellow> that may work
[07:00] <cellofellow> hey, that did work.
[07:00] <cellofellow> thanks for letting me brainstorm on you
[07:01] <gladier> lol
[07:27] <gladier> okidoke pumpernickel - ive got wireless working (no idea what i did .. kept on trying different drivers) and i have security running .. are there any apps for xfce to manage wireless???
[07:28] <gladier> (im a gnome user normally)
[07:28] <Jester45> yea
[07:28] <Jester45> the network manager
[07:28] <Jester45> on the menu -> system
[07:29] <gladier> hmm .. only allows wep????
[07:31] <gladier> what about wpa(1)-psk
[07:31] <Jester45> dont know
[07:31] <Jester45> im an wired kinda guy
[07:32] <gladier> i can do all of this in windows with my eyes shut - linux ... is slightly more complex
[07:33] <Jester45> maybe not more complex but unknown
[07:33] <Jester45> im sure people that have used linux for a while say the same about windows
[07:34] <Jester45> i do it now. when trying to find something i say why should i have to use search program or click around in folders when find / | grep  is so much faster and easier (i guess it a search but way faster than windows)
[07:35] <gladier> locate is faster imho - but requires updating every few days
[07:36] <Jester45> yea.... find is quick
[07:37] <Jester45> acourse knowing where you put your files is better
[07:37] <gladier> either way were off track and playing symantecs
[07:38] <gladier> can you put multiple configurations in your /etc/network/interfaces file??
[07:38] <gladier> or do i need to point the wpa config at a supplicant config file
[07:40] <Jester45> you could ask in #ubuntu and see how you can config it. as there is nobody here
[07:41] <Jester45> wb
[07:41] <Jester45> wb
[07:41] <gladier> more issues?
[07:54] <cellofel1ow> My screen has lines that run up and down the monitor whenever something on it gets updated.
[07:55] <cellofel1ow> Does this mean I should raise or lower the refresh rate?
[08:01] <cellofellow> gladier: sorry got confused with myself
[08:02] <cellofellow> gladier: If my screen flickers a lot with horizonal lines jumping across the screen, what do I do?
[08:54] <cellofellow> are there any known bugs with the s3virge X driver?
[08:55] <cellofellow> !s3virge
[08:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s3virge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <maxamillion> cellofellow: not any that are known by me personally :)
[08:56] <cellofellow> With two non-identical S3 Virge video cards, with several monitors, I get wacky scrolling lines all over the screen.
[08:57] <maxamillion> cellofellow: your sync rates might just be off
[08:57] <cellofellow> They start at the top and move to the bottom. They are only there when the screen updates.
[08:57] <maxamillion> cellofellow: does vesa work?
[08:57] <cellofellow> maxamillion: tried the sync rates, but don't know enough about them. Should they be higher or lower?
[08:57] <cellofellow> Vesa, maybe.
[09:05] <maxamillion> cellofellow: lowers is generally safer
[09:05] <maxamillion> lower*
[09:05] <maxamillion> brb
[09:24] <cellofellow> maxamillion: The card won't even attempt to display at above 65.
[09:24] <cellofellow> I set the H and V refresh rates in the Monitor section in xorg.conf to 60-65 60-65
[09:24] <cellofellow> Now everything looks great, till it starts to go nuts.
[09:25] <maxamillion> :(
[09:25] <maxamillion> crt monitor?
[09:25] <cellofellow> Yes
[09:26] <cellofellow> But still, doesn't matter what monitor I use, it's the video ard that does it.
[09:26] <maxamillion> oh
[09:26] <maxamillion> hmmm... not sure my friend
[09:26] <maxamillion> what'd vesa do?
[09:26] <cellofellow> Not sure. I didn't try it thoughoughly.
[09:27] <cellofellow> thoroughly
[09:27] <maxamillion> vesa is generally my failsafe fallback ... if i can't get vesa to work, then i generally consider it a lost cause
[09:28] <cellofellow> things display, it just does something weird.
[09:29] <cellofellow> now, this stuff only shows when there is some detail on the desktop. In the plain X (I've been using that command X to test some of this stuff) it doesn't show. Add a window and it does though.
[09:30] <maxamillion> yeah, its possible there is just an issue with the card and linux ... maybe when it tries to start drawing buffers or blitting images to the screen, the card does weird things
[09:30] <cellofellow> I was just testing stuff, and it only reacts like this to the mouse, and some random unseen event.
[09:31] <cellofellow> now and again
[09:31] <cellofellow> never mind, some activity in a terminal makes it react too.
[09:31] <maxamillion> hrmmm...
[09:31] <cellofellow> brb, trying vesa
[09:35] <cellofellow> All I get is a "EE) VESA(1): No matching modes
[09:35] <cellofellow> " error
[09:36] <maxamillion> :(
[09:36] <maxamillion> yeah, my vote is that either the card isn't supported correctly or that the card is boke
[09:39] <cellofellow> ok
[09:39] <maxamillion> i sorry :(
[09:39] <cellofellow> Wish I could find a better PCI video card. (I've only one AGP slot, like most people.)
[09:40] <maxamillion> what's taking up the agp slot?
[09:40] <cellofellow> My main video card.
[09:41] <cellofellow> This is Xinerama. I've got my TNT2 in there, and I've trying some older PCI cards to do dual-head.
[09:42] <maxamillion> i thought you had to have a dual-head card
[09:42] <cellofellow> nah
[09:42] <Jester45> on windows you do
[09:42] <Jester45> this one guy has 16 moniters on one computer
[09:43] <cellofellow> Section "ServerLayout" Identifier      "Default Layout" Screen          "Screen 1" Screen          "Screen 2"      RightOf "Screen 1" Option          "Xinerama"      "on" InputDevice     "Generic Keyboard" InputDevice     "Configured Mouse" InputDevice     "stylus"        "SendCoreEvents" InputDevice     "cursor"        "SendCoreEvents" InputDevice     "eraser"        "SendCoreEvents"
[09:43] <cellofellow> EndSection
[09:43] <cellofellow> well, you get the idea
[09:43] <cellofellow> oops
[09:44] <cellofellow> Set up two Screens each with a different Device (card) and Monitor, and put them both in the same layout, say what order they are in (that's the RightOf stuff) and turn on Xinerama. Presto.
[09:44] <maxamillion> Jester45: that's wayyyy overkill
[09:44] <cellofellow> It works great.
[09:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: nice ...
[09:44] <maxamillion> ok, its bed time for me ... be back tomorrow
[09:44] <maxamillion> night all
[09:44] <cellofellow> allrighty
[09:45] <cellofellow> there is one more video card I haven't tried yet.
[09:45] <cellofellow> Jester45: do you think I could hotplug the PCI? Remove and install while the bos is on and running?
[09:45] <cellofellow> Or would that be somewhat suicidal?
[10:17] <Jester45> cello is crasy
[10:17] <Jester45> you cant just unplug things
[10:26] <Jester45> i guess you could
[10:27] <Jester45> like i did with my hard drive
[10:27] <Jester45> and have to buy a new one
[01:45] <hak5fan> Hi I'm running xubuntu 7.04 and I've setup my printer using the cups webinterface everything seems fine, but nothing can be printed.....
[01:58] <hak5fan> Hmmm I deleted my printer and tried setting it up again lpt #1 is not in the device list what's wrong
[03:39] <czarny> hello
[03:39] <czarny> I'd like to share my experience with installing xubuntu on my hd
[03:40] <czarny> 1. I can't seem to be able to pass ide=nodma @ boot and my dvd drive will have like 10 probes of dma before it gives up
[03:40] <czarny> 2. automounter screws the job and mounts devices before installer does which poses problem later on
[03:41] <czarny> 3. xfs is as much unsupported as possible -- I can make a xfs partition, but I'll ge warned like 2-3 times it's bad for me and later on grub install wil fail
[03:41] <czarny> 4. when trying to make an xfs partiion in the naprtitioning tool I can't choose from the dropdown box any location to mount (like /, /boot, /home in case of ext3 in example)
[03:42] <TheSheep> !bugs | czarny
[03:42] <ubotu> czarny: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:42] <czarny> I think I'll do that
[03:43] <TheSheep> czarny: thank you :)
[03:45] <TheSheep> !wifi | czarny
[03:45] <ubotu> czarny: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:01] <TheSheep> !easysource
[04:01] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:36] <cellofellow> How do I set up a game controller that's plugged into the onboard game port?
[08:36] <TheSheep> cellofellow: 'set up'?
[08:37] <TheSheep> it's not a trap, you know...
[08:37] <vidd_laptop> lol
[08:37] <TheSheep> cellofellow: what would you like to do with it?
[08:37] <cellofellow> TheSheep: well, I don't know what device it's supposed to be.
[08:38] <cellofellow> Just use it.
[08:38] <TheSheep> cellofellow: good question, I'd look into /dev/input
[08:41] <cellofellow> what is a ts?
[08:41] <cellofellow> In /dev/input I have ts0 and ts1
[08:43] <cellofellow> !gameport
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gameport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <cellofellow> !game controller
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game controller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <vidd_laptop> !midi
[08:43] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[08:44] <vidd_laptop> =\
[08:44] <cellofellow> It's not a MIDI gameport.
[08:45] <vidd_laptop> what kind of gameport is it?
[08:45] <cellofellow> well, are all gameports MIDI?
[08:46] <cellofellow> It doesn't show as  a MIDI controller in ALSA though.
[08:47] <vidd_laptop> joystick or controlpad?
[08:47] <cellofellow> joystick
[08:48] <vidd_laptop> http://linux.die.net/man/3/joystick_init
[08:48] <cellofellow> now, the port is right next to the PCM audio ports.
[08:50] <cellofellow> that's about a C and SVGAlib library.
[08:53] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, this might help: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Joystick_Setup
[08:54] <cellofellow> I need a game that uses one.
[08:54] <cellofellow> A flight simulator would be nice.
[08:56] <cellofellow> one with low 3D Accel. requirements.
[08:57] <cellofellow> Most of them I've tried have been too powerful.
[09:05] <gerro> hello
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> HELLO
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> dang caplocks
[09:08] <vidd_laptop> gee....looks like the caps lock shot back =]
[09:08] <gerro> shot his poor compy again :/
[09:08] <gerro> speaking of shooting things might sound like I'm shooting myself in foot by doing this but
[09:09] <gerro> know how to completely erase a hard drive including grub and mbr etc?
[09:09] <gerro> I got some distro goob on my pc that need wiping :(
[09:10] <cellofellow> gerro: try dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hda
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> if you are doing a clean install.....gparted should do it all for you
[09:10] <cellofellow> you may have to set some sort of repeat so it wipes the whole disk.
[09:10] <gerro> thanks cellofellow
[09:10] <gerro> what you mean by that?
[09:11] <cellofellow> well, /dev/null is only so big. actually, use /dev/zero
[09:11] <cellofellow> you can set something in dd that makes /dev/zero look bigger.
[09:11] <gerro> so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[09:11] <cellofellow> or smaller.
[09:11] <gerro> umm?
[09:11] <cellofellow> yeah, try it from livecd and see what it does.
[09:11] <gerro> okay thanks
[09:12] <cellofellow> it will at least erase the partition table and part of the MBR.
[09:12] <gerro> part?
[09:13] <gerro> thx a lot, I was confused kept getting grub error 17
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, did you look at that link to gentoo? and did it help you any?
[09:14] <cellofellow> I'm still working on it, but it looks like it'll work
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> ok
[09:14] <cellofellow> what's the opposite of modprobe? I need to start over and remove a module.
[09:15] <gerro> rmmod or modprobe -r
[09:16] <cellofellow> ok
[09:21] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Hey there... Chadarius here. I'm going to be helping out with the Drupal site.
[09:21] <gerro> drupal site?
[09:22] <anderodriguex> hi
[09:22] <gerro> anderodriguex: what up homie! :)
[09:22] <Chadarius> yeah for xubuntu.org
[09:22] <anderodriguex> i can't mount an audio cd :S
[09:22] <anderodriguex> can you help me?
[09:22] <TheSheep> Chadarius: great
[09:22] <gerro> Chadarius: is drupal a xubuntu version?
[09:23] <gerro> anderodriguex: it should appear on your desktop then you just click it, are you having trouble with a specific application?
[09:23] <Chadarius> gerro: not sure what you mean exactly... is there a drupal package? Yeah there is one in the repos
[09:23] <TheSheep> Chadarius: you can get the thing I checked out from the ubuntu repos and recolored at http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/website2007.tar.gz
[09:23] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Yep... Jim sent me an email with all the details
[09:23] <gerro> !drupal
[09:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drupal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: you can't mount an audio cd, it doesn't have any filesystem on it
[09:24] <Chadarius> TheSheep: I just wanted to ping you before I ssh'd in or anthing to let you know I was going to start messing around tonight
[09:24] <gerro> ohhh its an audio cd...
[09:24] <anderodriguex> TheSheep: so, i can't play it
[09:24] <TheSheep> Chadarius: ah, gread, the host is vidd's though :)
[09:24] <gerro> anderodriguex: use a media player to play it
[09:24] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: you can play it with an audio player
[09:24] <anderodriguex> gerro: no, don't plays because an mounting error
[09:24] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: they have a separate option to play a cd, you don't mount it for playing
[09:24] <Chadarius> TheSheep: OK... are you also going to work on it, or are you just supplying the graphics?
[09:25] <anderodriguex> ok, so how can i reproduce an audio cd?
[09:25] <gerro> Chadarius: it has graphics too?
[09:25] <Chadarius> anderodriguex: cdrecord would work
[09:25] <gerro> I would just use k3b
[09:25] <TheSheep> Chadarius: this is something I started doing for feisty, but never had time to finish -- I'm even shorter on time now, but I will gladly answer any questions and help with anything hard
[09:26] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: those gentoo instructions aren't working.
[09:26] <anderodriguex> Chadarius: sudo apt-get install cdrecord?
[09:26] <gerro> anderodriguex: or open synaptic and search for it :)
[09:26] <Chadarius> anderodriguex: if it isn't already there yeah
[09:26] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: k3b is for recording cds
[09:26] <Chadarius> anderodriguex: I've never had to install cdrecord directly
[09:27] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: same with cdrecord
[09:27] <Chadarius> crap its not cdrecord
[09:27] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: I use audacious for playing cds, but you can use mostly anything
[09:28] <TheSheep> anderodriguex: xmms, bmp and audacious look like winamp and can even use its skins
[09:28] <cellofellow> audacious > bmp > xmms
[09:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: if you're comparing age...
[09:29] <cellofellow> yes
[09:29] <cellofellow> But I like Audacious the best.
[09:29] <TheSheep> cellofellow: only reverse the signs
[09:30] <Chadarius> anderodriguex: Its cdparanoia that is the command line ripper
[09:30] <TheSheep> Chadarius: but he only wants to *play* it :)
[09:30] <cellofellow> use abcde to rip and encode and tag in one command.
[09:30] <Chadarius> oh well heck why play it when you can rip it :)
[09:30] <Chadarius> and then play it and play it and play it
[09:31] <anderodriguex> i can't examine the cd contain :S
[09:31] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Hey thanks for the info man. I'll check in with you if I have questions on anything
[09:32] <TheSheep> Chadarius: I'm sorry I can't finish what I started
[09:32] <TheSheep> Chadarius: you can also checkout the original theme from svn on launchpad somehwere
[09:32] <TheSheep> Chadarius: but I can't remember the adress
[09:32] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Believe me... I know how you feel. :) I have a 4 month old boy
[09:33] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Lots of priority resetting going on for me too
[09:33] <TheSheep> ouch
[09:33] <TheSheep> Chadarius: on the other hand, congratulations
[09:34] <anderodriguex> ok, thank you very much!
[09:34] <anderodriguex> bye
[09:35] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Thanks! Its the best thing I've ever done. My son is a blast. He's just started to crawl/scoot around now. Its hilarious
[09:36] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, as an FYI, the ~xubuntu has access to php, MySQL (no database set up yet) and if you need anything else....just let me know
[09:36] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: Ah thanks man!
[09:37] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: TheSheep: Should we be looking to use launchpad/bazaar or something for this going forward?
[09:37] <TheSheep> Chadarius: not sure, I think we can set it up when it's needed
[09:38] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: TheSheep: I can start up a project for it. OK... as long as its just me working on it I'll hold off. If we get more interest than I setup up
[09:38] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, drupel, wordpress and phpBB are already on the machine, and is just a cp away from use....if ya need/want them
[09:38] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: TheSheep: When its complete I'll check the whole thing up there though just to make sure its available to everyone later on
[09:39] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: TheSheep: Is there a spec or anything I should be following?
[09:46] <TheSheep> Chadarius: look for 'xubuntu artwork' on the wiki
[09:47] <TheSheep> Chadarius: these are loose things though
[09:47] <TheSheep> Chadarius: practically all that is blue and has a xubuntu logo is acceptable ;)
[09:47] <Chadarius> TheSheep: Cool thanks. I'll look at that and the existing site for some guidance
[09:47] <TheSheep> Chadarius: we don't have a precise policy or target audience
[10:02] <Jester45> Chadarius, if you need anything from vidd_laptop i can also get it for you
[10:03] <Chadarius> Jester45: Thanks
[10:03] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, yes.... Jester45 has admin rights on that server
[10:03] <Jester45> im here more often than vidd
[10:04] <vidd_laptop> the pitfalls of having a job!
[10:04] <Jester45> but i dont pay attion that much when im here
[10:04] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, you may also see me online as vidd
[10:05] <Chadarius> Yeah Jobs! Can't pay for a house without them.
[10:05] <vidd_laptop> (jobs...but houses would be nice too!)
[10:06] <Chadarius> The house is a job in itself somethings
[10:07] <Chadarius> Was out this morning at 7:30 am to fix the air conditioner pipe's insulation
[10:07] <vidd_laptop> oh! joy
[10:07] <Chadarius> My dogs like to chew on it sometimes. Its their little pratical joke on me in the Summer
[10:08] <Chadarius> I'm tie wrapping rabbit fencing around it this time
[10:08] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, rub pepper and garlic on it...the dogs will leave it alone
[10:09] <cheeseboy> whats the live cds user password?
[10:09] <Chadarius> Yeah not so much with my oldest dog Riddick
[10:09] <Jester45> doesnt have one
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> cheeseboy, it doesnt have one
[10:09] <cheeseboy> why cant i ssh then?
[10:09] <Chadarius> Did that and sour apple
[10:09] <Jester45> the user would be root i think
[10:10] <vidd_laptop> you cant ssh into the live cd because it does not have opensshd installed by default....
[10:10] <vidd_laptop> you should be able to ssh out without issue
[10:11] <vidd_laptop> as long as it has a functional network connection
[10:12] <vidd_laptop> Chadarius, did you see my comment on your ssh terminal?
[10:12] <Chadarius> vidd_laptop: yeah
[10:13] <vidd_laptop> in case you are not aware.....you would respond by using the command write [username]
[10:14] <vidd_laptop> and [ctrl] [c]  to stop the write command
[10:22] <discord_> the printer menu disappered from applications > settings anyone know how i can get it back?
[10:58] <discord_> the printer menu disappered from applications > settings anyone know how i can get it back?
[11:04] <TheSheep> discord_: just like that or did you do something?
[12:09] <Jester45> whats some good realtime network moniters
[12:09] <Jester45> cli ony
[12:11] <Jester45> nevermind that i found a good list of them
[12:25] <cheeseboy> will someone help me with qemu here?
[12:25] <cheeseboy> #qemu no help
[12:25] <Jester45> whats your problem
[12:25] <cheeseboy> i would like to install windows using it then dual boot
[12:25] <cheeseboy> is that possible?
[12:26] <Jester45> umm
[12:26] <Jester45> should
[12:26] <cheeseboy> what do i have to do
[12:27] <cheeseboy> just make partition?
[12:27] <Jester45> no
[12:27] <Jester45> im not sure but this is how i would do it
[12:28] <cheeseboy>  :/
[12:28] <Jester45> make an iso and write the stuff to that then deflate it into a partition
[12:28] <Jester45> then edit grub to include a entry for it
[12:28] <Jester45> but idk how you can do that with qemu or if it will even boot
[12:28] <Jester45> it will have settings or a diffrent computer
[12:29] <Jester45> for*
[12:29] <cheeseboy> Jester45, would you try walk through that with me?