[12:05] <fatejudger> kimo: do you have a laptop?
[12:06] <kimo> fatejudger: yes
[12:06] <kimo> and I move between networks :)
[12:07] <fatejudger> yeah, isn't it great?
[12:07] <fatejudger> it's so easy to use
[12:07] <kimo> I dont know how to use it !
[12:07] <fatejudger> no more wireless configuration hassles
[12:07] <kimo> It's just disabled here
[12:07] <fatejudger> ok well
[12:07] <fatejudger> you probably have stuff in your network/interfaces file
[12:07] <fatejudger> which is located in
[12:07] <fatejudger> "/etc/network/interfaces"
[12:08] <kimo> should I delete it ?
[12:08] <fatejudger> you need to comment out or erase everything it in except the loopback stuff
[12:08] <fatejudger> make sure to keep the loopback stuff
[12:08] <fatejudger> !networkmanager
[12:08] <ubotu> it has been said that networkmanager is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[12:08] <fatejudger> it should tell you there
[12:08] <fatejudger> in the wiki
[12:08] <kimo> great .. thnx
[12:08] <fatejudger> yeah
[12:08] <fatejudger> np
[12:13] <shawn_work> downloaded, it, KDapper time
[12:24] <krenx> is there a cmd to see whats using the sound device ?
[12:25] <crimsun> lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[12:25] <krenx> k thx
[12:25] <fatejudger> crimsun: I guess I missed out on the sound card fix, huh
[12:25] <crimsun> fatejudger: if and when upstream reworks it.
[12:26] <krenx> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev
[12:26] <krenx>       Output information may be incomplete.
[12:26] <fatejudger> crimsun: they won't until Edgy
[12:26] <crimsun> I'm not going over jcdutton's or takashi's or jaroslav's head on that.
[12:26] <fatejudger> crimsun: it's already in beta, I doubt there's much they could do anyway
[12:26] <crimsun> fatejudger: err, who are you referring to?
[12:26] <fatejudger> crimsun: the people that fix the audio problems
[12:27] <crimsun> fatejudger: upstream or ubuntu?
[12:27] <fatejudger> crimsun: I have no idea what the problem is or who fixes it
[12:27] <fatejudger> crimsun: I'm just making a general statement
[12:27] <crimsun> fatejudger: ok, then you'll need to see what I wrote above...
[12:28] <crimsun> fatejudger: (seeing how I'm largely the person who triages and pushes those fixes in)
[12:28] <fatejudger> crimsun: you said you weren't going to go over someone's head on that
[12:28] <crimsun> fatejudger: yes, jcdutton hasn't had the time or resources to look at it, and I trust his fixes
[12:29] <fatejudger> I figured as much
[12:29] <fatejudger> which is why I said that it probably won't get in until Edgy when they ditch the current framework
[12:29] <fatejudger> by then it won't matter because I'm gonna be using a different sound card
[12:29] <fatejudger> heh
[12:29] <crimsun> that's not necessarily true; it depends whether takashi finds an audigy
[12:30] <fatejudger> crimsun: I thought it was a problem with just the usb models
[12:30] <crimsun> this kind of stuff is insanely difficult to debug remotely.
[12:30] <crimsun> fatejudger: how do you debug without the hardware? :)
[12:30] <fatejudger> true
[12:31] <fatejudger> so is this an ubuntu-only problem?
[12:31] <fatejudger> I would have thought the people that run the associated projects would have the means to fix something like this
[12:31] <crimsun> no, this is an alsa problem
[12:32] <fatejudger> so because alsa hasn't released a fix, you guys have to fix it yourselves?
[12:32] <crimsun> that's pretty extreme, but if it were that critical, yes.
[12:32] <crimsun> just like I had to do for emu10k1 recently.
[12:32] <fatejudger> do you guys upload the patches back to ALSA svn?
[12:33] <crimsun> s/svn/hg/, and yes
[12:33] <WhyM> Modern heroes
[12:33] <fatejudger> lol
[12:33] <fatejudger> sound is a pain in the ass
[12:33] <fatejudger> and probably the biggest hurdle for linux to overcome, IMO
[12:33] <fatejudger> nothing seems to work right
[12:34] <crimsun> heh, you don't have to tell me. I spend 20-30 hours per week on it.
[12:34] <WhyM> fatejudger: It's not the usual way...
[12:34] <HymnToLife> fatejudger> it works perfectly well for most people
[12:34] <fatejudger> it seems very hacked up
[12:34] <HymnToLife> try WiFi, THAT's a PITA
[12:34] <fatejudger> especially on the xine end
[12:34] <fatejudger> even though it works great on my laptop
[12:34] <crimsun> xine? heh, xine's arguably got the best alsa support
[12:34] <fatejudger> sound related things end up crashing all the time
[12:35] <fatejudger> streaming video or audio through Konqueror works about 3/4ths of the time
[12:36] <fatejudger> it's like the exceptions aren't being handled in ALSA and get passed back on up to the OS, which terminates all the applications associated with the error
[12:36] <crimsun> huh?
[12:36] <crimsun> alsa shouldn't be handling application errors
[12:36] <fatejudger> of course not
[12:36] <fatejudger> but it should be handling its own exceptions
[12:36] <fatejudger> as should xine
[12:36] <fatejudger> but it doesn't
[12:36] <crimsun> uh
[12:36] <fatejudger> and other related apps end up crashing because of it
[12:36] <crimsun> do you have actual backtraces for this stuff?
[12:37] <fatejudger> have you ever tried streaming content through Konqueror?
[12:37] <fatejudger> no, I don't
[12:37] <crimsun> of course, and it works in my cases. I need viable backtraces to do any useful debugging.
[12:37] <fatejudger> I should though
[12:37] <fatejudger> it's hit and miss
[12:37] <fatejudger> I think it has to do with the codecs
[12:37] <crimsun> gah. codecs have nothing to do with alsa!
[12:37] <fatejudger> if xine can't play something, it just crashes
[12:37] <fatejudger> which is why I just said xine
[12:38] <crimsun> if you have actual backtraces from alsa-lib, I need to see tham
[12:38] <crimsun> them^
[12:38] <fatejudger> it's difficult to get because you end up getting the backtraces from Konqueror, if anything
[12:39] <fatejudger> that's if you took the time to make sure it would collect the backtrace it if did crash when you start Konqueror
[12:39] <fatejudger> what it really means is finding something that crashes Konqueror and then getting that URL
[12:39] <fatejudger> sticking it in something like Kaffeine
[12:39] <fatejudger> and getting the backtrace there
[12:40] <crimsun> well I certainly hope that's being done, because it's pretty darned tootin useless to me to read about vague "alsa complaints" with absolutely no backtrace [and they end up being app errors quite often]  ;-)
[12:40] <fatejudger> I doubt it has anything to do with Konqueror
[12:40] <WhyM> file:///home/ym/il duomo.jpg
[12:41] <WhyM> sorry
[12:43] <fatejudger> well this isn't good
[12:43] <fatejudger> I just installed beta 2 and now I can't get any sound
[12:44] <fatejudger> not even an error
[12:44] <crimsun> you know the drill.
[12:44] <Codemaster> are there any really nice GRUB editing GUI programs for KDE? I know there is the GNOME System Tools for GNOME which contain something like this, but I am unsure of an alternative for KDE
[12:45] <fatejudger> crimsun: I going to restart before I file any bugs or do anything bug related
[12:46] <Kadran> hi, i want to ask a question about which kubuntu to install, i am downloading 5.10 from kubuntu site but i want to know is it better to use 6.06?
[12:47] <crimsun> yes, please test 6.06 beta 2
[12:47] <Kadran> crimsun: where can i download it?
[12:48] <saaida> Guys i need help i need to get back to kubuntu, i started to hate my xp :*
[12:48] <robotgeek> Kadran: see /topic
[12:48] <Kadran> robotgeek: thanks
[12:48] <WhyM> crimsun: could you give us a link to a proper procedure to submit bug reports for this beta please?
[12:49] <fatejudger> well I figured out what was wrong
[12:49] <crimsun> WhyM: file bugs in Malone, per usual
[12:49] <fatejudger> and I'm not going to admit what it was either
[12:49] <fatejudger> let's just call it a stupid user error
[12:50] <crimsun> fatejudger: that's good enough.
[12:50] <crimsun> WhyM: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[12:50] <fatejudger> I'll see if I can't find some of those websites that crash xine
[12:50] <WhyM> crimsun: thanks
[12:50] <saaida> Today i tried to remove some packages from kubuntu. it seems that i mistakebly removed the Kde Desktop enviroment. so nex boot it booted and came direct to the Terminal console. i did a reinstall ( even reformated the partitions ) and amazingly the same thing still .
[12:51] <fatejudger> saaida: you didn't format them
[12:51] <saaida> i deleted the linux partitions.
[12:52] <saaida> and re partitioned
[12:52] <fatejudger> saaida: well let me ask you this, does it make any sense that after reinstalling you get the exact same error you had before?
[12:53] <saaida> fatejudger : well i didn't format partition number 1 ( xp partition ) maybe the boot info was there and from the first installation the desktop still disabled
[12:53] <fatejudger> saaida: no, it wasn't
[12:54] <fatejudger> saaida: you didn't format the partitions
[12:54] <fatejudger> saaida: that's what happened
[12:54] <Kadran> i want to know which one to get the install or live cd?
[12:54] <fatejudger> saaida: do you know what Occam's razor is?
[12:54] <saaida> no
[12:55] <fatejudger> saaida: it basically states that the simplest explanation is the most likely
[12:55] <WhyM> Kadran: Live install might crash your hdd... you should go with the install version
[12:55] <saaida> :)
[12:55] <fatejudger> saaida: which is exactly the predicament we have here
[12:55] <Codemaster> are there any really nice GRUB editing GUI programs for KDE? I know there is the GNOME System Tools for GNOME which contain something like this, but I am unsure of an alternative for KDE
[12:55] <Kadran> WhyM: thanks
[12:55] <fatejudger> Codemaster: we heard you the first time
[12:55] <fatejudger> Codemaster: maybe you ought to google it?
[12:56] <saaida> fatejudger : So this mean simpliest solution should be tried ?
[12:56] <fatejudger> saaida: it means you format your partitions next time
[12:56] <saaida> fatejudger : so now i need to re install ?
[12:56] <fatejudger> I doubt it
[12:56] <fatejudger> you can install kde again
[12:57] <fatejudger> just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:57] <Codemaster> fatejudger: I did
[12:57] <Codemaster> fatejudger: otherwise i wouldn't be here
[12:57] <fatejudger> Codemaster: well I don't know of any, what exactly do you need to edit?
[12:57] <fatejudger> Codemaster: and why can't you do it in the CLI?
[12:57] <saaida> fatejudger : maybe i try to run it first since i did reinstall ?
[12:58] <saaida> i mean run it from terminal ?
[12:58] <Codemaster> i don't exactly enjoy modifying the file by hand
[12:58] <fatejudger> saaida: yes, run that command from the terminal
[12:58] <fatejudger> Codemaster: and why do you need to modify it in the first place?
[12:58] <Codemaster> fatejudger: to add in my WinXP boot option
[01:00] <saaida> fatejudger : what is the command to run KDe desktop ?
[01:00] <fatejudger> well this is quite something, I can play everything EXCEPT mp3s
[01:00] <WhyM> same for me
[01:02] <fatejudger> well I'm switching to gstreamer
[01:03] <fatejudger> this is total crap
[01:03] <fatejudger> I've never had such a problem with Xine
[01:03] <saaida> fatejudger : what is the command to run KDe desktop please
[01:03] <fatejudger> lol, I installed gstreamer and now xine works
[01:03] <fatejudger> must have installed some codec
[01:04] <fatejudger> saaida: sudo kdm
[01:04] <krenx> err:wave:DSDB_MapBuffer Could not map sound device for direct access (Input/output error) <- when trying to launch a game from wine, anyone ?
[01:04] <krenx> :)
[01:04] <saaida> ok Thanx hopefully next time i enter this channel from linux
[01:11] <saaida> Damn
[01:11] <saaida> Kde is installed
[01:11] <saaida> and running the command : sudo kdm didn't bring anything
[01:11] <myndmelder> Has anyone used BeeWee's automatiKs in here?
[01:12] <fatejudger> saaida: should have
[01:12] <fatejudger> saaida: what about startx
[01:12] <krenx> !chroot
[01:12] <ubotu> methinks chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[01:12] <saaida> what is startx ?
[01:12] <fatejudger> another command
[01:12] <fatejudger> you aren't supposed to use it though
[01:12] <saaida> :)
[01:12] <fatejudger> at least the way Kubuntu is configured
[01:12] <fatejudger> but it will launch X
[01:12] <charwood> I've been trying to figure out the problem here for several hours.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  When I run glxgears I get the error "couldn't find RGB GLX visual".
[01:13] <charwood> This happens with all opengl programs that I run.
[01:13] <saaida> so i should try start kdm ?
[01:14] <saaida> so i should try 'start kdm' ?
[01:14] <fatejudger> no
[01:14] <fatejudger> you should try "startx"
[01:14] <fatejudger> I don't understand why sudo kdm doesn't work
[01:14] <fatejudger> does it give any error?
[01:14] <saaida> no
[01:15] <saaida> simply new line in the terminal
[01:16] <saaida> maybe it can be cause i didn't creat a username ?
[01:16] <myndmelder> Has anyone used BeeWee's automatiKs in here? I'm having trouble installing it...
[01:19] <fatejudger> saaida: it's really difficult to diagnose the problems remotely
[01:19] <fatejudger> saaida: maybe you ought to just reinstall
[01:19] <fatejudger> saaida: just make sure you format this time
[01:20] <saaida> fatejudger : i c
[01:20] <saaida> ohh and btw i can change later on from kde to another desktop enviroments , right ?
[01:21] <biovore> yup
[01:21] <biovore> you can install multipule enviroments at the same time too
[01:21] <fatejudger> saaida: yeah, but who'd want to :P
[01:22] <saaida> fatejudger : me . i have slow comp. and there lighter desktop enviroments i can use
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> thats why I won't use knetworkmanager (installs half of gnome with it)
[01:23] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I noticed that
[01:23] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it should have to though, they just have the packages messed up
[01:23] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: loading two toolkits at boot sucks
[01:23] <jeekl> Hi, I cant configure Konsole anymore. it tells me i'm missing kcm_konsole.la? I don't know when this occured, I have done numerous updates since I last configured konsole.
[01:24] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I installed network-manager anyway because the benefits outweighed the disadvantages
[01:26] <fatejudger> !samba
[01:26] <ubotu> samba is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[01:28] <earl_> any dapper/ATI users on who could help me with setting up fglrx?
[01:29] <eosyn> hmm does anyone know the program(s) required for k3b to create audio cds?
[01:29] <theripper> you just want to install the ati drivers or what?
[01:29] <earl_> eosyn, i believe that would be cdrdao
[01:30] <earl_> don't quote me though
[01:30] <earl_> i followed one of the howtos
[01:30] <earl_> and currently i can't get DRI to work
[01:30] <earl_> i'm getting the following message in xorg.0.log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13042
[01:31] <eosyn> yea cdrdao is the writer software, that works fine but its the process of creating cdaudio (cda) out of mp3s and then burning them to the cd
[01:31] <theripper> !ati
[01:31] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[01:31] <jeekl> Can anyone help me with my missing kcm_konsole.la?
[01:32] <theripper> im new myself , i used the !ati first link to install ati driver and it worked well
[01:33] <earl_> i'm on dapper, though
[01:33] <theripper> me too
[01:33] <charwood> earl_: It theoretically works the same on Dapper.
[01:33] <earl_> also, i'm pretty sure that'll land me with an extremely old driver...
[01:34] <charwood> earl: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:34] <charwood> earl_: It will get you the one for Dapper if your source repository is set up that way (it is by default)
[01:34] <earl_> allright, i'll give it a shot...
[01:35] <eosyn> looks like a needed k3b2-mp3 installed
[01:38] <earl_> i'm on an AMD Athlon XP, so my $arch is k7 right?
[01:39] <charwood> earl_: Correct
[01:40] <earl_> this is odd, i never installed this package before, and i'm pretty sure it wasn't even there last time i saw taht wiki page....
[01:52] <earl_> !ati
[01:52] <ubotu> I heard ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[01:55] <mo0se> !firefox
[01:56] <mo0se> !firefox1.5
[01:56] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:58] <NoobSauce> I'm using kde, but somehow I ended up with a gnome desktop... anyone have ideas on how to fix this?
[01:58] <NoobSauce> the taskbar, window decorations etc... are still kde, but the desktop is gnome for some reason...
[02:00] <WhyM> Uhhh... so what do you mean by desktop?
[02:00] <mo0se> what the heck...
[02:00] <NoobSauce> it's just the wallpaper part
[02:00] <mo0se> when i put in sudo tar -C /opt -x -z -v -f firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[02:00] <mo0se> is it suppose to get crazy?
[02:00] <NoobSauce> like when I right click on the desktop, it gives gnome menus and stuff
[02:00] <NoobSauce> not to mention gnome icons and stuff
[02:00] <mo0se> jesus...
[02:01] <NoobSauce> it's not that bad I guess, but when I run karamba, all the icons get in the way of stuff which is really annoying
[02:01] <NoobSauce> and you can't turn icons off in gnome's desktop menu
[02:02] <NoobSauce> I've encountered this problem on other systems aswell, so it's not unique to my machine
[02:04] <earl_> man, i think i've been using the wrong kernel for a really long time
[02:04] <earl_> i've been running a 386 kernel >,<
[02:05] <jeekl> I cant configure Konsole anymore. it tells me i'm missing kcm_konsole.la? I don't know when this occured, I have done numerous updates since I last configured konsole. Can someone help me?
[02:08] <stodge> Hi - how do I know if a WMV file is encoded with DRM? I seem to be unable to play WMV videos with kaffeine
[02:09] <NoobSauce> why do you have wmv DRM files? just download whatever file that is off a p2p network without the DRM
[02:09] <stodge> No
[02:09] <NoobSauce> you paid for it presumably, so it's ok
[02:09] <stodge> I downloaded a demo of a 3d engine but I can't play it
[02:10] <NoobSauce> oh :P
[02:10] <stodge> I dont do that illegal video download crap
[02:10] <stodge> :)
[02:10] <NoobSauce> well if you paid for it, it's not illegal...
[02:10] <stodge> I installed the codecs as explained on the wiki
[02:11] <stodge> But I still can't play wmvs
[02:11] <stodge> This is kubuntu breezy
[02:11] <tarmath> wmv are not playable dude
[02:11] <tarmath> theres no linux codec for them
[02:11] <stodge> oh
[02:11] <stodge> I thought there was
[02:11] <tarmath> well there is for wmv version 1 and 2
[02:12] <tarmath> but not 3
[02:12] <stodge> oh
[02:12] <tarmath> which is what most wmv vids are encoded in nowadays
[02:12] <tarmath> there's a few projects that will come up with a codec for it
[02:12] <tarmath> but it's not there yet
[02:14] <stodge> Well that sucks
[02:14] <stodge> :(
[02:18] <tarmath> hmm
[02:18] <tarmath> im looking it up and it seems that they can be played with xine and mplayer using windows codecs..
[02:19] <HymnToLife> tarmath> not all of them can
[02:20] <tarmath> not all of them?
[02:21] <tarmath> hmm im finding allot of references about wmv3 support through windows codecs (only for x86)
[02:22] <tarmath> oh
[02:22] <tarmath> i didnt have the w32codecs package installed... lets see
[02:26] <tarmath> whoa nice it plays!
[02:27] <tarmath> hrm I shouldve tried that sooner
[02:31] <WhyM> Is there any way to make Xine handle smb:// files?
[02:32] <stodge> Ugly fonts in mplayer
[02:33] <__mikem> hello
[02:34] <tarmath> WhyM: the sine engine itself I doubt it, but maybe a kde frontend could do it?
[02:35] <stodge> Wow the demo video for crytek 2 engine is incredible
[02:35] <stodge> PLays with mplayer
[02:35] <WhyM> I can view/play a video or an ogg/mp3 file over my lan...  :'(
[02:35] <WhyM> can't
[02:37] <__mikem> whats wrong myndmelder, did you accidently type rm -fr /
[02:37] <__mikem> lol
[02:38] <myndmelder> Anyone know why BeeWee's automatks freezes up...  It doesn't even freeze...
[02:39] <tarheel> could someone give me web sites for help on learning kubuntu
[02:39] <__mikem> !language
[02:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[02:40] <myndmelder> Very well...
[02:40] <myndmelder> My appologies
[02:40] <crimsun> tarheel: http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/index.html
[02:41] <__mikem> its alright, hes just an irc bot
[02:41] <myndmelder> Oh...
[02:41] <myndmelder> That isn't even BIG Bad word... LOL
[02:41] <myndmelder> Anyways... Anyone got any ideas...
[02:42] <__mikem> you could try running dpkg-reconfigure on the package, that should restore the setup to an error free state
[02:43] <myndmelder> The original package is long gone, and there hasn't been anything on this computer. It is a fresh install...
[02:44] <__mikem> that aint good
[02:44] <myndmelder> As I said... It just sits there
[02:46] <struct> greetings
[02:46] <struct> have a problem upgrading to dapper
[02:46] <struct> libgl1-mesa
[02:46] <struct> anyone know how to fix?
[02:47] <chatboy> !easysources
[02:47] <ubotu> chatboy: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:47] <__mikem> !easysource
[02:47] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:47] <chatboy> thanks __mikem
[02:48] <__mikem> yw
[03:08] <chatboy> !nvu
[03:08] <ubotu> hmm... nvu is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingNvu http://www.nvu.com/ Linux/Mac/Windows Web authoring.
[03:13] <Kadran> hi all
[03:38] <theripper> hi
[03:46] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone else have a problem turning wireless off
[03:47] <_darksoul> !dapper
[03:47] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[04:04] <mo0se> how do i make firefox the default browser?
[04:06] <Search4Lancer> here's a thought: why the heck can't I play a DVD in Kaffeine?
[04:06] <mo0se> i guess you gotta install something that'll let you...
[04:06] <mo0se> try typing dvd in adept or something...
[04:06] <noiesmo> !dvd
[04:06] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:07] <Search4Lancer> yeah got it working now...
[04:07] <mo0se> !firefox1.5
[04:07] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:10] <Search4Lancer> apparently I had to restart Kaffeine twice to get it going
[04:10] <Search4Lancer> after following the instructions in RestrictedFormats
[04:20] <zoohouse> Kubuntu is going to have a tool that will automaticly update it to Kubuntu 6.05 right?
[04:20] <stevekl> How do I know which version of kubuntu I have?
[04:22] <zoohouse> stevekl: stevekl press ALT + F2 and type help
[04:23] <stevekl> Says I got 6.06
[04:23] <stevekl> does that sound right for dapper
[04:23] <zoohouse> stevekl: you have the new beta ver. then
[04:24] <stevekl> ok
[04:24] <stevekl> Good!
[04:24] <zoohouse> Its still beta so you might run into a bug ;)
[04:25] <zoohouse> ok time to play a little Entropia Universe :D
[04:25] <visik7> anyone has try to upgrade breezy to dapper beta ?
[04:25] <visik7> apt wants to remove half of kde packages
[04:26] <stevekl> visik7: I've done it
[04:26] <visik7> and ?
[04:26] <stevekl> Well I didn't encounter any big problems
[04:26] <stevekl> however
[04:26] <stevekl> I did find that dapper needs alot more disk space than breezy did
[04:27] <stevekl>  But other than that there were no problems
[04:28] <stevekl> I had two machines with 5 gig root partitions and that just wasn't enough for dapper
[04:28] <visik7> maybe on clean install would be different
[04:29] <tarmath> maybe some older packages are still left?
[04:29] <tarmath> 5 gigs sounds way too much
[04:29] <stevekl> Well
[04:30] <tarmath> hwo much was breezy after a clean install, a little more than 3 ?
[04:30] <stevekl> Now that I look at it
[04:30] <stevekl> Dapper is only taking up 3 gigs
[04:30] <stevekl> So, I guess I don't know what i'm talking about :p
[04:30] <tarmath> lol ok
[04:30] <stevekl> I'm man enough to admit that
[04:31] <stevekl> However I DO remember that when I dist-upgraded from breezy, I ran out of space on my 5 gig root parition
[04:31] <stevekl> why? I dunno
[04:31] <visik7> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[04:31] <tarmath> porn
[04:31] <visik7> 1060 packages upgraded, 101 newly installed, 238 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[04:31] <visik7> 238
[04:31] <stevekl> naw, I keep all my "personal files" on /home and on an external hard drive
[04:32] <stevekl> Unless linux is putting porn in some weird place like /var/lib/misc/ or something
[04:32] <tarmath> the guy who hacked you box's porn?
[04:32] <stevekl> Curses!
[04:33] <tarmath> your connection feels slow lately doesnt it
[04:33] <visik7> http://pastebin.com/688080 here it is what it wants to do
[04:33] <stevekl> visik7: I think that looks ok but get a second opinion, i've been known to be dumb
[04:34] <visik7> second option ?
[04:34] <visik7> forgot about -s -y is just to grep and grab the output for pastebin
[04:34] <tarmath> it couldnt possibly be bad man
[04:34] <stevekl> 3~er
[04:34] <stevekl> second opinion
[04:35] <krenx> !wine
[04:35] <stevekl> Wait I did say opinion, you're trying to mess me up
[04:35] <visik7> sorry
[04:35] <stevekl> hehe
[04:36] <stevekl> sokay
[04:36] <visik7> probably this upgrade problems are caused by my folkloristic sources.list
[04:38] <stevekl> Damnit, I can't wake on lan my machine
[04:38] <stevekl> I got the BIOS set to do it too
[04:38] <stevekl> and I got the right MAC address
[04:38] <stevekl> hm.
[04:39] <stevekl> I guess that can't be a linux problem though
[04:39] <tarmath> you got that right
[04:40] <visik7> linux problem ? WON works regardless on the OS u are using
[04:40] <stevekl> Yeah I realize that but I need to tell SOMEONE that i'm frustrated
[04:41] <stevekl> Abit makes some shifty motherboards
[04:42] <kkathman> evenin all :)
[04:42] <stevekl> y hello thar
[04:42] <_darksoul> !dapper
[04:42] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[04:50] <_darksoul> http://www.zimmertech.com/images/kubuntu_full.jpg - theres a app on there like conky, any ideas on what it is
[05:06] <myndmelder> Can anyone walk me through instalation of alltray, or point to a website? Please?
[05:07] <krenx> !alltray
[05:07] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, krenx
[05:07] <krenx> aha :P
[05:08] <myndmelder> It is a place to start...
[05:08] <myndmelder> I've tried ubuntu forums and the kubuntu forums... No dice.
[05:08] <krenx> wish i could help.
[05:08] <robotgeek> myndmelder: download it from alltray.sf.net
[05:09] <robotgeek> myndmelder: are you on breezy/dapper?
[05:10] <krenx> !nvidia
[05:10] <ubotu> Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:11] <krenx> Whats the url for the 4 different methods of installing nvidia-drivers ?
[05:14] <myndmelder> breezy
[05:14] <myndmelder> No graphic card...
[05:15] <robotgeek> myndmelder: meaning?
[05:15] <robotgeek> myndmelder: they do have a ubuntu deb on the download page
[05:15] <myndmelder> meaning I'm using onboard graphics.
[05:16] <myndmelder> ok
[05:16] <myndmelder> let me try again...
[05:16] <robotgeek> myndmelder: http://alltray.sourceforge.net/downloads.html has a ubuntu deb
[05:16] <myndmelder> yeah thanks...
[05:17] <myndmelder> I'm giving that a shot
[05:17] <robotgeek> rob: meet Pyre
[05:17] <rob> ?
[05:17] <robotgeek> rob: that's the bot
[05:17] <myndmelder> ...grrr
[05:18] <myndmelder> I'm on a wild goose chase with alltray... Now that I have seen what it is, that isn't the problem.
[05:19] <myndmelder> I'm still trying to get automatiks to work (not automatix). It is still acting like a bump on a log.
[05:20] <robotgeek> myndmelder: /j #easyubuntu
[05:20] <myndmelder> kk
[05:31] <[Relic] > if ark doesn't want to cooperatewhat's the next best thing to use for tgz file extraction?
[05:32] <robotgeek> [Relic] : tar -zxf foo.tgz
[05:34] <[Relic] > where does the put it in this dir go?  tar -zxf foo.tgz /home/thisiswhereitgoes  ?
[05:35] <robotgeek> [Relic] : it is supposed to extract in the current dir if you did what i asked you to
[05:35] <[Relic] > I don't want to extract it in the current dir, that messes up my desktop too much :)
[05:36] <[Relic] > can always move it  :)
[05:40] <_sEBAs_> hola
[05:41] <_sEBAs_> alguien que hable espaol?
[05:41] <robotgeek> !es
[05:41] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:41] <_sEBAs_> jaja
[05:41] <_sEBAs_> haha, thats good man
[06:01] <_sEBAs_> !es
[06:01] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:05] <LeeJunFan> !ogg
[06:05] <ubotu> LeeJunFan: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:06] <robotgeek> !freecodecs
[06:06] <ubotu> robotgeek: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:07] <robotgeek> LeeJunFan: wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeCodecs
[06:07] <LeeJunFan> robotgeek: yeah, I know. It was supposed to be for someone else. :)
[06:08] <robotgeek> LeeJunFan: hmm, okay
[06:09] <_sEBAs_> somebody knows how to fix kcm_konsole.la ??
[06:10] <_sEBAs_> becouse after installing KDE 2.5 in a KUbuntu 10.5 he smoke
[06:10] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: you try apt-get -f install ?
[06:11] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: sounds like perhaps it just didn't get installed with new version.
[06:11] <_sEBAs_> what does apt-get -f install ???
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: attempts to fix broken packages and deps.
[06:12] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: maybe it formats your HD, I can't remember really - just do it. :p
[06:12] <_sEBAs_> oohh, ok
[06:12] <_sEBAs_> hahah
[06:12] <_sEBAs_> funy
[06:12] <_sEBAs_> :D
[06:12] <_sEBAs_> thanxs
[06:13] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: hope it works. also when you upgrade kde did you apt-get dist-upgrade or just upgrade? often with upgrading kde you should do dist-upgrade to get all the new packages that need installed.
[06:14] <_sEBAs_> i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:16] <_sEBAs_> doesn't work, :(
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: how about apt-get install konsole
[06:17] <_sEBAs_> i already did that
[06:17] <_sEBAs_> :P
[06:18] <bitmakker> is someone has already tried to install darknet?
[06:18] <LeeJunFan> bitmakker: yeah, SBC did that the other day in 5 states.
[06:19] <bitmakker> coz it won't turn on :s
[06:20] <bitmakker> didn't want :s
[06:20] <_sEBAs_> when you do aptitude dist-upgrade for expemple, and it install the new kde 3.5.2, you have to do that with out KDE running?
[06:20] <bitmakker> exuce my poor englist :d
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: apt-get install --reinstall konsole
[06:20] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: I've always done it with kde running. But of course you generally have to log out, switch to console and restart kdm
[06:21] <Parkotron> Has anybody tried out InitNG? If so I'm wondering what kind of speed increases they saw?
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> bitmakker: that explains why you didn't get my joke about SBC. SBC is a huge telco here that had 200,000 dedicated lines and DSL out here the other day.
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> in the USA. But no, I've never used darknet.
[06:22] <_sEBAs_> becouse when i did the upgrade i have running kopete that now it doesn't work and konsole ofcourse
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: what if you just try running apt-get dist-upgrade again?
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: sometimes it doesn't get everythign on the first pass.
[06:22] <bitmakker> ok thanks :D
[06:23] <bitmakker> i'm in france
[06:23] <bitmakker> thanks for the answer :)
[06:23] <_sEBAs_> let me see
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> root@maquina:/home/jorge# apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> Lendo Lista de Pacotes... Pronto
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> Construindo rvore de Dependncias... Pronto
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> Calculando Atualizao... Pronto
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> 0 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem removidos e 0 no atualizados.
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> root@maquina:/home/jorge#
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> :S
[06:27] <_sEBAs_> take a look on these<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:27] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: dammit, what'd you do to that thing? :)
[06:28] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: problem is I'm running dapper here so perhaps the lib isn't in the same package, on here it's in "konsole"
[06:29] <_sEBAs_> hehe
[06:29] <_sEBAs_> xD
[06:29] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: what if you run dpkg -S kcm_konsole.la
[06:30] <LeeJunFan> if it tells you a package then the file is missing, otherwize the whole package never got installed.
[06:31] <_sEBAs_> didn't find it
[06:31] <_sEBAs_> is missing, :P
[06:32] <_sEBAs_> what in the heal happends?
[06:32] <_sEBAs_> hehe
[06:32] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: yeah, you're missing a lib package.
[06:33] <_sEBAs_> it's no way that i can recover?
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: it should be in the konsole package.
[06:33] <_sEBAs_> yes, thats what i think
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: I just ssh'ed to a remote breezy and checked.
[06:33] <_sEBAs_> thot
[06:34] <LeeJunFan> give the apt-get install --reinstall konsole a shot.
[06:35] <_sEBAs_> nothing
[06:35] <_sEBAs_> shit :s
[06:36] <_sEBAs_> i thinking in reinstall all
[06:36] <_sEBAs_> and do it right
[06:37] <LeeJunFan> _sEBAs_: it's odd. I'm not sure what's up there. Unless Riddell compiled those differently and that lib is not in the konsole package but in a separate libs package.
[06:37] <krenx> could anyone help me installing my second hdd? its fat32 200gb
[06:39] <_sEBAs_> it is sata?
[06:39] <krenx> no
[06:39] <LeeJunFan> I'm off to bed. gnight.
[06:39] <_sEBAs_> mm, so what it's the problema?
[06:39] <_sEBAs_> good night
[06:39] <_sEBAs_> :D
[06:40] <krenx> whats the problem? I dont know how to do, ive been using linux for 3 days
[06:40] <krenx> or 2, cant remember
[06:40] <_sEBAs_> ahhh, sorry
[06:40] <_sEBAs_> :D
[06:41] <_sEBAs_> well, firts, wath's distro you have?
[06:41] <krenx> kubuntu
[06:41] <_sEBAs_> ok
[06:42] <_sEBAs_> and he doesn't show in Desktop?
[06:42] <krenx> no
[06:43] <_sEBAs_> ok, you have to mount it
[06:43] <_sEBAs_> wait
[06:43] <krenx> !mount
[06:43] <ubotu> mount is, like, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[06:44] <_sEBAs_> do these, did you see the system configure in de KDE menu?
[06:44] <_sEBAs_> click it
[06:45] <krenx> _sEBAs_: im trying to follow that howto
[06:46] <_sEBAs_> then click on the disk & filesystem
[06:46] <_sEBAs_> ok, but these is more easy :D
[06:47] <krenx> maybe, but im learning more if im installing it with help of the howto
[06:48] <_sEBAs_> yes :D
[06:48] <_sEBAs_> it's true
[06:48] <_sEBAs_> :D
[06:57] <_sEBAs_> i'm here
[06:57] <Search4Lancer> I can not get Kalarm to play a song file
[06:57] <_sEBAs_> what you need?
[06:58] <_sEBAs_> what format is that song file?
[06:58] <Search4Lancer> mp3
[06:59] <Search4Lancer> which I have codecs for
[06:59] <Search4Lancer> amaroK and Kaffeine play them all fine
[06:59] <_sEBAs_> mm, did you reproduce mp3 already?
[06:59] <Search4Lancer> did I what now?
[07:00] <_sEBAs_> did you install the codecs and all that?
[07:00] <Search4Lancer> yes
[07:00] <Search4Lancer> like I said, plays fine in anything else
[07:00] <_sEBAs_> but y kalarm no?
[07:00] <Search4Lancer> that's what I'm asking
[07:01] <_sEBAs_> yes, excuse me english
[07:01] <_sEBAs_> it gives you an error or something?
[07:01] <Search4Lancer> nope
[07:01] <Search4Lancer> just doesn't make any sound
[07:01] <_sEBAs_> just not playng
[07:02] <_sEBAs_> ok
[07:02] <_sEBAs_> try with an other format, just for see what is it
[07:03] <Search4Lancer> hmm.... .wav's work.....
[07:03] <_sEBAs_> it works?
[07:03] <_sEBAs_> ok
[07:04] <Search4Lancer> all I've really got is a clip of George Bush saying "Read my lips" :-D Don't know if I want to wake up to that over and over again!
[07:05] <_sEBAs_> hahahha
[07:17] <vinboy> how do I set firefox as my default browser?
[07:17] <vinboy> instead of konqueror
[07:17] <nalioth> vinboy: right click on your html files > properties > always open with
[07:17] <robotgeek> vinboy: system settings -> user
[07:18] <nalioth> or that, lol
[07:19] <robotgeek> nalioth: i think i should have a copy of the kubuntu documentation open, i can copy paste real quikc then
[07:19] <nalioth> robotgeek: +1
[07:19] <vinboy> thanks guys
[07:25] <vinboy> wat is the difference between installing from install cd & from live cd?
[07:27] <noch> live cd doesnt install ubuntu onyour computer
[07:27] <noch> it'lll just run some apps from the CD
[07:27] <robotgeek> vinboy: install cd has a text based installer , live cd in dapper has a gui based installer
[07:27] <noch> ^^ what he said
[07:27] <robotgeek> vinboy: so, you can install kubuntu if you like it
[07:28] <nalioth> noch: the dapper live cd DOES install
[07:30] <vinboy> robotgeek: the installation result is the same?
[07:30] <Rhisc> hi
[07:30] <noch> how about the breezy cd?
[07:30] <Rhisc> I need some help
[07:30] <noch> i never used the dapper live cd
[07:30] <Rhisc> I cannot get ndiswrapper to recognize my wireless network card
[07:31] <robotgeek> noch: not breezy, but its a new feature in dapper
[07:31] <atiro> Rhisc: what does ndiswrapper -l give?
[07:32] <robotgeek> vinboy: yes result is the same
[07:32] <vinboy> robotgeek: ic.. thanks man :)
[07:33] <Rhisc> atiro, bcmwl5a invalid driver!
[07:33] <noch> robotgeek: ahh ok thx
[07:33] <atiro> Rhisc: did you do "ndiswrapper -i <driver>.inf"?
[07:34] <Rhisc> atiro, yes
[07:34] <Rhisc> atiro,
[07:35] <Rhisc> atiro, I have tried updating ndiswrapper but I cant get it to compile
[07:35] <atiro> Rhisc: hmm...
[07:36] <Rhisc> atiro, i am using the x64 version of kubuntu do you think that could cause any problems?
[07:36] <atiro> Rhisc: possibly... wireless is not really my strength, anyone else better at it than I care to jump in?
[07:37] <yoshu> atiro: are you using ndiswrapper?
[07:38] <atiro> yoshu: not me, Rhisc... he's trying to use ndiswrapper for a bcmw15a and it's giving "invalid driver"
[07:38] <yoshu> oh, i used that
[07:38] <yoshu> it wouldn't work in kde though
[07:38] <yoshu> I had to use set it up in a konsole
[07:38] <Rhisc> how?
[07:39] <atiro> I believe that's what he's already trying... is that right?
[07:39] <Rhisc> yeah
[07:39] <yoshu> umm... I don't remember, it was a while ago and my notebook got jacked
[07:39] <yoshu> it was pretty straight forward
[07:39] <Rhisc> I installed it, and it says invalid driver
[07:39] <yoshu> is he using his bcmw15a.inf file?
[07:40] <Rhisc> and I dont know of another version of my network cards drivers to try
[07:40] <Rhisc> yeah
[07:40] <atiro> Did you have both the .inf and .sys file? (I think those are the two you need...)
[07:40] <Rhisc> I just used the .inf
[07:40] <Rhisc> how do I use the .sys as well?
[07:40] <Rhisc> same way?
[07:40] <yoshu> i'll brb, do some googling
[07:41] <atiro> I'm not really sure...
[07:41] <Rhisc> ok
[07:41] <atiro> doing some googling as well... hang on
[07:41] <Rhisc> ok
[07:41] <Rhisc> I couldnt find much, maybe you guys will have better luck lol
[07:42] <atiro> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[07:42] <atiro> That thread looks promising...
[07:42] <[nige] > anyone got their lm sensors working correctly to show cpu temp?
[07:42] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[07:42] <ubotu> from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[07:42] <robotgeek> also wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs helps
[07:43] <[nige] > !sensors
[07:43] <ubotu> sensors is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SensorInstallHowto
[07:43] <Rhisc> ok
[07:43] <Rhisc> thanks for the links
[07:43] <Rhisc> I will try the stuff in those real quick
[07:43] <atiro> robotgeek: I think his problem revolves around having a broadcom :)
[07:44] <robotgeek> atiro: i have a broadcom too, there is documentation to get it working
[07:44] <robotgeek> but i am on dapper, and ppc , i will be useless to him
[07:45] <atiro> robotgeek: indeed, I just got one working the other day... the standard advice is apparently not doing it
[07:45] <robotgeek> atiro: why not edit the wiki :)
[07:46] <thoreauputic> cafuego has made a .deb of the Airport Extreme firmware
[07:46] <robotgeek> sweet.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/dapper-cafuego/bcm43xx/
[07:47] <robotgeek> very nice, i have ideas :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: an addition to EasUbuntu (for ppc ?)
[07:48] <atiro> Rhisc: did you make sure to have the .sys in the same directory when you did the install?
[07:49] <robotgeek> thoreauputic: would make a decent addition to dapper systems
[07:49] <yoshu> Rhisc:
[07:49] <thoreauputic> robotgeek: indeed
[07:50] <yoshu> Rhisc: # ndiswrapper -l
[07:50] <yoshu> post what you have
[07:50] <atiro> yoshu: he already did that, it gives him "invalid driver"
[07:50] <yoshu> is he using 64, or 32?
[07:50] <atiro> yoshu: hence my guess that he didn't have the .sys in there with the .inf...
[07:50] <atiro> yoshu: 64, I believe
[07:51] <yoshu> probably not then, is he here still?
[07:51] <Rhisc> 64\
[07:51] <Rhisc> sorry
[07:51] <Rhisc> I was reading through one of the guides
[07:51] <Rhisc> and it did not wokr
[07:51] <Rhisc> *work
[07:51] <robotgeek> i don't think ndiswrapper works on 64
[07:51] <atiro> Rhisc: no worries... did you make sure to have the .sys there too?
[07:51] <yoshu> Go to /etc/ndiswrapper and delete the file you have manually
[07:51] <Rhisc> yes
[07:51] <yoshu> yes it works I've done it
[07:52] <yoshu> Then, in /etc/network/interfaces, you need the line
[07:52] <yoshu> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[07:52] <robotgeek> yoshu: hmm, okay. i thought it works only on x86
[07:52] <yoshu> no, there's a wiki on it somewhere
[07:53] <atiro> yoshu: that won't help him if he doesn't have the driver working yet...
[07:53] <yoshu> I wish my notebook didn't get jacked, it would be easier to help
[07:53] <yoshu> well he needs to delete the driver and reinstall it
[07:53] <atiro> true... "rm /etc/ndiswrapper/*" if I recall, right?
[07:53] <Rhisc> how do I open files as root?
[07:54] <atiro> err... sudo?
[07:54] <Rhisc> And would this be easier if I downloaded a 32bit version of dapper?
[07:54] <robotgeek> Rhisc: you are on dapper?
[07:54] <yoshu> sudo su will make you root
[07:54] <Rhisc> no
[07:54] <yoshu> but be carefull
[07:54] <Rhisc> I am on breezy
[07:55] <robotgeek> Rhisc: hmm, dapper has support for this without ndiswrapper
[07:55] <Rhisc> robotgeek: Would you recommend upgrading?
[07:55] <yoshu> Rhisc: no don't upgrade until it's released
[07:56] <yoshu> wait a month
[07:56] <Rhisc> Does dapper support broadcom chipsets out of the box?
[07:56] <yoshu> it's not dapper it's the kernel 2.6.15
[07:56] <Rhisc> oh
[07:56] <yoshu> if you install that kernel you might be able to make it work
[07:56] <yoshu> but i haven't tried
[07:56] <atiro> ndiswrapper should do it just fine though...
[07:56] <yoshu> * no notebook
[07:57] <yoshu> Rhisc, I can't find that  brodcom wireless wiki
[07:57] <yoshu> found this http://kanotix.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-10902-highlight-broadcom.html
[07:58] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 Rhisc
[07:59] <Rhisc> robotgeek,: thanks :D
[07:59] <mrkev1n> !liblame-dev
[07:59] <ubotu> mrkev1n: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:00] <mrkev1n> thought so
[08:00] <mrkev1n> !liblame
[08:00] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mrkev1n
[08:02] <Rhisc> still getting the invalid driver error
[08:02] <yoshu> gotta go late
[08:03] <mrkev1n> !kaffeine-0.8.1
[08:03] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, mrkev1n
[08:03] <mrkev1n> hummmmm
[08:03] <atiro> Rhisc: so, just to double check... you whiped out the old stuff in /etc/ndiswrapper, then did "ndiswrapper -i <file>.inf" while the .inf and .sys file were in the directory... is that right?
[08:03] <Rhisc> yes
[08:04] <atiro> Rhisc: hmm... got any recommendations robotgeek? I'm out of ideas
[08:04] <robotgeek> atiro: i've never used ndiswrapper, sorry.
[08:05] <Rhisc> this is really anoying... maybe my drivers that come on the disc arent supported...
[08:05] <atiro> Rhisc: I'm not sure what else to try man...
[08:05] <robotgeek> Rhisc: maybe you should get the drivers from the ndiswrapper wiki
[08:05] <atiro> Rhisc: if that doesn't work, you might consider just upgrading your kernel and using the native drivers
[08:08] <Rhisc> the driver download links in the wiki are dead
[08:08] <Rhisc> just my luck
[08:10] <atiro> Rhisc: it looks like somebody put them up for download on this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=69680
[08:11] <Rhisc> thanks
[08:12] <[nige] > !acpi
[08:12] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, [nige]
[08:14] <[nige] > is there any way to check to see if acpi is enabled on my ubuntu bok
[08:15] <Rhisc> woot the error is gon
[08:15] <Rhisc> *gone
[08:16] <Rhisc> it says driver is present and hardware is present!
[08:16] <Rhisc> thanks for the help atiro and robotgeek!
[08:16] <robotgeek> Rhisc: awesome, good job!
[08:17] <atiro> Rhisc: sweet, nice work!
[08:19] <Rhisc> ok well I am gonna reboot and if all goes well, I will be talking to you guys through my wireless connection :D
[08:19] <atiro> Rhisc: good luck :)
[08:26] <Rhisc2> it works!
[08:26] <Rhisc2> I am wireless now
[08:26] <atiro> Rhisc2: sweet, good work man
[08:27] <Rhisc2> such a good feeling
[08:27] <Rhisc2> lol
[08:27] <atiro> Rhisc2: haha, I know what you mean :)
[08:30] <Rhisc2> is there a way to change the login screen?
[08:32] <atiro> Rhisc2: yes... but I'm not sure how, hehe
[08:33] <Rhisc2> lol
[08:35] <atiro> Rhisc2: google "kde login manager" would be my recommendation
[08:35] <atiro> Rhisc2: I gotta get some sleep, good luck though :)
[08:58] <tal> hi all
[08:59] <tal> who can to answer for my qestions?
[08:59] <Den> Hi - How do I use "info" (textinfo - view command documentation) to find all the documentation pages/files about grub?  When I do "info grub", I just get the same as "man grub", and no links to the other grub pages, like for the command "grub-install" - I'm trying to find all the grub commands & documentation - how do I do that?
[09:00] <Hobbsee> !+grub
[09:00] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[09:03] <tal> I can't to install driver for Riva TNT2
[09:06] <Den> Hobbsee: thx:)
[09:14] <_darksoul> !dapper
[09:14] <ubotu> Dapper Drake will be the next release of Ubuntu - due June 1 (see: http://tinyurl.com/qyrkq). Join channel #ubuntu+1 for discussion and support :)
[09:15] <earl_> any of you guys have any success running xgl/compiz?
[09:23] <inkeroinen> umm, little problem with breezy
[09:24] <inkeroinen> X starts ok, but the GUI login doesn't "show" up, actually startupo stops at tty1
[09:24] <inkeroinen> the gui login is at tty7 as should but why doesn't startup stop there
[09:26] <inkeroinen> other thing: should i upgrade to dapper from breezy ?
[09:26] <earl_> don't upgrade to dapper yet
[09:27] <earl_> i'm havin a bit of trouble with it myself
[09:27] <inkeroinen> ok
[09:27] <dumbkiwi> earl_:  no trouble here.
[09:27] <dumbkiwi> earl_: seems I'm not alone either
[09:27] <earl_> well
[09:28] <earl_> i'm probably having trouble because i'm fooling around with things
[09:28] <earl_> lol
[09:28] <inkeroinen> but i dont get this X login problem. Why doesn't startup process stop at it, but 'bounces' back to the terminal login
[09:28] <earl_> yaeh that stuff's above me, sorry dude
[09:44] <tal> friends! how I can to do actions as root in console?
[09:46] <Den> tal: use "sudo", or create a root account with "sudo passwd root", then log into the root account
[09:46] <tal> :(
[09:46] <tal> I can't to log as root
[09:47] <Hobbsee> !+root
[09:47] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[09:47] <Den> tal: did you create a root account with passwd?
[09:47] <tal> Den, yes
[09:48] <Den> tal: then in a user shell type "su"
[09:48] <Den> tal: did that work?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> su doesnt usually work.  sudo -s does
[09:50] <tal> Hobbsee, Yes! It's works!
[09:50] <tal> Thanks
[09:50] <Hobbsee> just be careful with root
[09:50] <tal> I want to install dysplay driver only
[09:51] <tal> f*ck
[09:52] <tal> Unable to find system utility "Id"
[09:58] <thoreauputic> tal: because it doesn't exist? Try " id " (lower case )
[09:59] <jpatrick> unless it's Ld
[10:00] <tal> id does list
[10:00] <tal> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) etc
[10:14] <timri> Good morning/midday/evening/night. I have just given kubuntu a go and have some questions.
[10:14] <zenkonami> better
[10:14] <zenkonami> hello!
[10:16] <timri> Does anyone know of a simple way to get the 'Window' menu back in konqueror. Simpler than editing konq-kubuntu.rc by hand, that is.
[10:17] <Hobbsee> timri: what's the "window" menu?
[10:18] <zenkonami> Do you mean that default menu Konquerer starts with?
[10:19] <timri> Hobbsee: In a 'normal' KDE install e.g. on debian, konqueror has a Window menu that lets you split your view (amongst other things).
[10:19] <zenkonami> oh
[10:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm...good questoin
[10:19] <timri> zenkonami: So it's part of the menubar (last item before Help, i think)
[10:20] <timri> I found some help on http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/13865/Theres-no-Window-menu-in-my-konqueror-How-do-I-get.html
[10:20] <timri> But I don't like messing with these files (for all I know they get overwritten after an apt-get update).
[10:24] <zenkonami> out of my league, I'm afraid.
[10:24] <timri> zenkonami: That makes two of us :)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> timri: they shouldnt, if you've modified them..
[10:24] <zenkonami> =>
[10:26] <timri> Hobbsee: Well, I have modified backgroundrc (for KDM) and sometimes when I do an apt-get update, I get a question if it can overwrite my version: It prevents silent updating.
[10:26] <zenkonami> can anyone recommend a good reference site for Linux terminolgy, etc...what certain files are for and so on...but in reasonably plain english?  I know a lot of it is interconnected so that gets difficult sometimes.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> mine does that for a few other versions - but doesnt ask about changing kdmrc - it just leaves it.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> zenkonami: hmmm...seen !cli?
[10:26] <zenkonami> for example, I've been trying to find out what .ICEauthority is for.
[10:27] <Hobbsee> that's a good start
[10:27] <zenkonami> I don't believe I have
[10:27] <timri> zenkonami: I feel your pain, several months ago a did not even know what a distro was !
[10:27] <Hobbsee> !cli
[10:27] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[10:27] <Hobbsee> zenkonami: you can do a "cat filename" to see what's in it
[10:27] <Hobbsee> ICEauthority deals with logging into kde, it seems
[10:28] <zenkonami> I took a chance and deleted it earlier since I was having some kind of permissions issue (I think) that wasn't allowing me to get X going again (and KDE for that matter)
[10:28] <zenkonami> which seems to have worked out okay
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[10:29] <Hobbsee> zenkonami: if you get that, you can remove Xauthority, and ~/.kde/*.USER as well, and it will usually work
[10:29] <timri> zenkonami: ICE is a way for apps to 'talk' to eachother I believe, somewhat like a lightweight CORBA
[10:29] <zenkonami> KDE seems to have just rewritten it, but it got me thinking about how little I know about 99.9% of the files floating around.
[10:30] <zenkonami> interesting
[10:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, it rewrites it...
[10:30] <belp> hi folks.  i just dual booted windoze and kubuntu but would like to update to the latest beta (better wireless support)
[10:30] <timri> zenkonami: There's an Xauthority file as well, i think
[10:30] <Hobbsee> it rewrites all of ~/.kde if it's deleted, too
[10:30] <Hobbsee> !update
[10:30] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:30] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[10:30] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades .
[10:31] <zenkonami> thanks for the links, btw
[10:31] <belp> running gksudo cmd doesn't work.  says command not found.  i'm sure i'm doing something retarded but am not finding anything via google.
[10:33] <timri> zenkonami: Additional tip: You can access the man(ual) pages directly from konqueror using the man:/ protocol, for example man:/dd gives help on the dd command. Shortcut for man:/ is # btw.
[10:35] <zenkonami> cool
[10:35] <Hobbsee> oh cool, didnkt now that
[10:35] <Hobbsee> belp: use kdesu instead
[10:36] <Hobbsee> belp: gksudo only works inside gnome
[10:36] <timri> zenkonami: Try man:/iceauth for example. I lik man:/apt_preferences for example. The best thing: it's just an URL, so you can bookmark it.
[10:36] <timri> s/lik/like
[10:36] <timri> BRB
[10:36] <belp> ah.  thanks hobbsee.  seems that all the updating links point to that one particular wiki.  i'll try that out.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> belp: same as upgrading to breezy, but replace all the bits of "hoary" with dapper
[10:37] <Hobbsee> no, wait
[10:37] <zenkonami> Also, anyone have any advice on learning to program in Linux?  I mean, C or C++ would be great, but all the material I keep coming across is so...dry.  Programmed a bit 10 to 15 years ago, but it's not as easy to find out how code works anymore just by hacking other code apart.  I have trouble understanding how all the different files and system calls and what-not are put together.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> belp: all the bits where the guide says hoary, put breezy, all of where it mentions breezy, stick dapper there.
[10:38] <zenkonami> thanks, timri
[10:38] <zenkonami> I'm in the same boat...used to use the really easy stuff...BASIC, Pascal, COBOL, and did some machine coding, but that was on a commodore 64 =]
[10:39] <belp> oh, i'm looking at a cmd for updating that says "gksudo update-manager -d"
[10:39] <zenkonami> fewer things to deal with and worry about when you've only got 64k
[10:39] <belp> i don't see a longer cmd string with breezy,etc in it
[10:44] <Tonio_> hello
[10:44] <timri> belp: Wrt your upgrade question: If I understand correctly: you want to go from 5.10 to 6.06 (breezy -> dapper), 's that right?
[10:44] <timri> Tonio_: Hi there
[10:45] <belp> yes timri
[10:45] <belp> sorry, been googling :)
[10:46] <belp> trust me, i know how noobs can be a pain in the @ss
[10:47] <timri> belp: Normally, al you have to do is change your sources.list to point to the dapper repositories, then do a apt-get dist-upgrade.
[10:47] <timri> belp: can be slightly dangerous though ;)
[10:48] <belp> lol great.  oh well, if it goes bad, then i could just reinstall from the beta live cd.  although, the previous beta live cd's installer was borked.
[10:48] <belp> that seems to have been addressed with this release though.
[10:48] <timri> belp: Yeah, I tried to do a netinstall: it wouldn't even install the base system.
[10:49] <timri> belp: But now, all is well again.
[10:49] <belp> great.  thanks for the tips guys gonna do some poking around :)
[10:49] <timri> belp: Good luck.
[10:50] <belp> thx :up:
[10:52] <saaida> guys. why Adept does not show me Ktorrent and Vlc ?
[10:52] <timri> saaida: Probably, because you have not enabled the universe repositories
[10:52] <timri> sorry: BRB
[10:52] <saaida> timiri : how to enable it ?
[10:56] <timri> saaida: Sorry for the interruption: the mailman (woman actually) was at the door with my new asus a8n cm crm mobo.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> ooh fun: )
[10:57] <timri> saaida: to add the correct repositories you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:58] <timri> Hobbsee: well, yes and no: I had to refuse the parcel stupid TopAchat forgot to include the memory (2* 512 mb dual channel) sigh
[10:58] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:58] <saaida> where to find the updated ?
[10:59] <saaida> where to find the updated sources.list ?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> !repos
[10:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:59] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get update
[10:59] <Hobbsee> in the opposite order
[10:59] <Hobbsee> that you asked your questions
[10:59] <timri> Hobbsee: Ehhh ? ;)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> brain dead...lol
[11:01] <timri> saaida: You have read ubotu's comment? It's very useful.
[11:03] <saaida> im reading now
[11:04] <saaida> i done this before . but forgot where i got the updated sources.list from :)
[11:04] <timri> saaida: I just posted my sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13053
[11:05] <timri> exit
[11:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:09] <timri> Does anyone know where kuickshow went? After the last update that package is suspiciously small
[11:09] <shadow_> Hi, How do i play wmv properly ? as it is scrambled when i do play.. i only have win32-codecs installed. Is there some other codec i should need ?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> timri: in dapper?
[11:13] <jpatrick> timri: removed
[11:13] <timri> Ah, I see, it already was depricated/whatever in some distros. Have to use KView now
[11:15] <nico8481> hi
[11:15] <timri> nico8481: Hi there.
[11:17] <FearMoth> I have an ubuntu 5.10 install cd. I want to install kubuntu-desktop packages, is there any way that I can remove all the ubuntu specific stuff like gnome?
[11:17] <FearMoth> so it'll be like a fresh install from the kubuntu install cd.. or should I just download the kubuntu cd?
[11:17] <timri> FearMoth: apt-get --purge remove ubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <FearMoth> cool, thanks.
[11:20] <timri> FearMoth: But you might want first to try apt-get --purge remove gnome-desktop-environment
[11:21] <timri> FearMoth: It's somewhat less invasive in its removals.
[11:25] <vge> hmm, if i press the "show desktop" button and then open some link on the desktop, the previously dropped windows jumps also up in the background of the newly opened window?
[11:35] <timri> vge: That might be a known bug, I suggest you check bugs.kde.org
[11:36] <timri> vge: What distro/version are you on, btw?
[11:43] <wk2001> hi, i'm trying since yesterday to install my ati-driver, the driver ran already but now it doesn't - i get only the mesa driver.. someone here who can help me?
[11:44] <vge> timri: latest dapper, but i think i have seen it in breezy too
[11:44] <zenkonami> linuxcommand.org ...very impressive site for newbs.  thx whoever mentioned it.  I know a lot of the stuff, but it's filling in some gaps I really knew nothing about.
[11:44] <timri> s/fo/of
[11:44] <timri> vge: I'll take a look at bugs.kde.org
[11:46] <vge> appreciate
[11:48] <neoncode> I think something is wrong with my network connetion. It works fine, but I use DHCP with a router. I can connect to the router fine and the internet fine, but the router Should give IP's on 192.168.0.x but my computers local IP is "<IP_ADDRESS>"... Eh? The router says that i have a 'normal' IP but kubuntu says otherwise. which is why I think this is a kubuntu problem...
[11:49] <timri> vge: Found a slew of bugs relating to your prob. Example: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123668
[11:49] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 123668 in general "Last window opens if on "show desktop" I try to trash an item" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
[11:50] <timri> Ubugtu: Hehe. I was first ;)
[11:51] <neoncode> Can anybody help?
[11:52] <timri> neoncode: Wow. I can only say: Weird problem!
[11:54] <neoncode> timri: Weird?
[11:54] <doctormo> whats wrong?
[11:55] <timri> neoncode: Well, that's how I describe a router giving out IP's outside its range
[11:56] <neoncode> Hmmm. I just apt-got ethereal to see what's going on and I went to configure the eth0 capture interface. and there it lists both the IP that kubuntu thinks it is and the IP that the router thinks it is...
[11:58] <neoncode> and I just ran the packet sniffer, most of the packets are sent to the 192.168.0.x IP... is it possible that my computer has 2 ip's?
[11:58] <timri> neoncode: I'm way out of my depth here. I didn't thought it possible to have two IPs for one interface (barring multiple routes etc.)
[11:59] <neoncode> and their's something else... according to ifconfig... the netmaks for my router and my computer are diffrent...
[12:00] <neoncode> I just guess I should be thankfull that whatever the hell is going on works... I'm gonna plug in my laptop and see what happens..
[12:01] <timri> neoncode: Two IP's is normal if you have two interfaces (e.g. wireless and fixed)
[12:01] <neoncode> Nope, just a standard ethernet interface.
[12:01] <zenkonami> time for my sleep cycle.  thx all.  be back in the morning.
[12:01] <neoncode> and both IP's are on eth0
[12:01] <timri> neoncode: Oh crap! ;)
[12:01] <neoncode> crap?
[12:03] <timri> vge: Just thought of something: A problem like your "show desktop" one was a regression in 3.4.1, just can't find the proper bug id, I suggest you try #kde
[12:03] <timri> neoncode: Sorry: I was getting desperate here ;)
[12:04] <neoncode> lol, it's ok. and I carn't find a CAT-5 cable for my laptop... I did have one but one end of it fell into a pot of vasalene so now it's all messy... =(
[12:05] <timri> neoncode: Blegh I'm really trying to get that picture out of my head.
[12:11] <r0b> ok just installed a fresh version of the new dapper2 beta, when i try to run apt-update it tells me that the apt database could not be opened, due to configuration problems or something
[12:13] <apokryphos> r0b: can you pastebin the full output?
[12:15] <r0b> http://pastebin.ca/52204
[12:15] <apokryphos> r0b: and what's the output of those two commands?
[12:16] <r0b> command not found
[12:16] <FearMoth> I ran sudo apt-get remove --purge ubuntu-desktop expecting it to remove gnome and all ubuntu related stuff, but it just removed one package, ubuntu-desktop. I just restarted gdm and it doesn't seem like anything's changed. do I need to install kubuntu-desktop first before gnome'll be removed?
[12:17] <apokryphos> r0b: apt-get update gives you "command not found"?
[12:17] <chip42> that is a meta package. it represents a collection of other packages. removing it doesn't remove those packages
[12:17] <r0b> sorry it gives me an error
[12:17] <apokryphos> ....
[12:18] <FearMoth> chip42: how do I remove all the other packages then?
[12:18] <r0b> http://pastebin.ca/52205
[12:18] <apokryphos> FearMoth: if you want to remove gnome then just remove some vital gtk or gnome lib
[12:18] <apokryphos> r0b: is synaptic/adept/any-other-apt process running?
[12:18] <chip42> FearMoth: like apokryphos said.. try to remove something fundamental to gnome and it will all be removed
[12:19] <r0b> umm not to my knowledge(mind you im a complete linux newbie)
[12:19] <neoncode> Update to my little problem(scroll up): Plugged in my laptop, that gets it's adress fine...
[12:19] <FearMoth> would it be better to just get the kubuntu iso ?
[12:19] <apokryphos> r0b: well if you have no other programs running... then it isn't. If so, then you must have interrupted apt before at some vital stage or the like.
[12:19] <apokryphos> r0b: anyhow, remove that lock file and try again.
[12:20] <apokryphos> FearMoth: if you don't want any trace of non-kubuntu, then yeah, but it's not necessary at all.
[12:20] <apokryphos> FearMoth: if you removed gnome* you'd have every gnome thing there removed
[12:20] <apokryphos> r0b: oh no wait........
[12:20] <apokryphos> r0b: you're not using sudo with apt?
[12:21] <r0b> :( too late just deleted
[12:21] <r0b> and no i wasnt
[12:21] <apokryphos> well?
[12:21] <apokryphos> you need to prefix commands with "sudo" that require root privs
[12:21] <apokryphos> type /msg ubotu sudo   .....in here
[12:22] <r0b> ok just ran sudo apt-get update
[12:22] <r0b> did a whole bunch of stuff
[12:22] <r0b> tried running update again, and same error
[12:23] <apokryphos> r0b: you shouldn't really be on dapper, though, if you're not familiar with debian/ubuntu-based systems :)
[12:23] <apokryphos> it's unstable, too.
[12:23] <apokryphos> r0b: running update? What command?
[12:23] <r0b> little update icon in my lower right hand corner
[12:24] <apokryphos> r0b: running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the equivalent to running that.
[12:24] <r0b> that works
[12:24] <r0b> and is now updating
[12:25] <r0b> ok next, try to install opera :P
[12:26] <apokryphos> r0b: /msg ubotu opera
[12:28] <r0b> thanks :) i can see im going to be in here a lot :P
[12:29] <apokryphos> r0b: also good to check the wiki and the bot first :P
[12:29] <r0b> will do :D
[12:30] <r0b> hmm sound isnt working
[12:31] <cow_2001> beagled loads itself everytime i logon with kdm into kde after i chose "autostart every time" in kerry. this is really annoying, i don't know what to do i already tried to save the kde session with beagled killalled but it didn't work.
[12:47] <fjellrev1> can anyone help me install Vmware..I dont know much,the only file that seems logical is "vmvare-installer.pl" this is python,no??what do I do with it? :)
[12:48] <r0b> ok i have 2 sound cards, how do i setup kubuntu to use one and not the other
[01:00] <leeghoofd> hello, do you know what directoies to copy to copy all adresses and mails from kontact to another computer?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> leeghoofd: ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact and ~/.kde/share/config/kontact* i would think.
[01:01] <leeghoofd> Hobbsee: thanks, is that also the kontact settings?
[01:02] <Hobbsee> the latter will be the contact settings, the former will be the kontact data
[01:02] <leeghoofd> like my accouunt info etc
[01:02] <Hobbsee> er, kontact
[01:02] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:02] <Hobbsee> do a "locate kontact"
[01:02] <leeghoofd> ok thanks
[01:02] <Hobbsee> and just check if there are more files in the home dir about it...they need to be copied over, and put in the corresponding location
[01:03] <ninniuz> hello
[01:04] <ninniuz> I read there are some upgrade instructions from breezy to dapper in the ubuntu site...are they suitable for kubuntu as well
[01:04] <ninniuz> ?
[01:05] <leeghoofd> Hobbsee I don't have that kontact folder
[01:06] <leeghoofd> Hobbsee: in the apps subdir
[01:06] <Hobbsee> oh ok, maybe they call it something else...
[01:06] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: yes, they are, replace ubuntu-desktop with kubuntu-desktop
[01:06] <leeghoofd> I think mayby kmail
[01:09] <ninniuz> great an error occured lol
[01:09] <bhna> leeghoofd: look in your kmail.rc in the section General -> folder there is tha apth to your email-folder. the kmail settings are in .kde/share/apps/kmail
[01:09] <bhna> leeghoofd: kmailrc is in .kde/share/config
[01:11] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[01:13] <leeghoofd> ah it's folders=$HOME/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail
[01:13] <kyaneos> where is libXp ?? please
[01:13] <leeghoofd> thanks bhna
[01:23] <psi_force> hi all
[01:24] <psi_force> how do I stop the ksysguard applet asking for connection info everytime I startup?
[01:27] <ubuntu> hi
[01:28] <Kevin_Jim> hi'
[01:28] <Kevin_Jim> i try to install the Kubuntu but i'm stuck at the language part !
[01:29] <bhna> psi_force: wich applet. i have no ksysguard applet
[01:29] <ninniuz> what do you mean you are stuck?
[01:29] <Chousuke> Kevin_Jim: iirc there was some bug with languages. Select english
[01:29] <Kevin_Jim> i chose the Greek languege and then nothing !
[01:30] <Chousuke> or are you installing breezy or dapper?
[01:30] <ninniuz> and if dapper which beta?
[01:30] <Kevin_Jim> dapper
[01:30] <Kevin_Jim> 6.06
[01:30] <Chousuke> choose english for now
[01:30] <Chousuke> you can change the language later.
[01:30] <ninniuz> beta 1 or 2'
[01:30] <ninniuz> ?
[01:30] <Kevin_Jim> the latest
[01:31] <Kevin_Jim> i chose english and again nothing !
[01:31] <Chousuke> :/
[01:31] <Chousuke> weird.
[01:31] <ninniuz> thought they have fixed those problems with languages
[01:32] <Hobbsee> languages are being worked on...in the next week or so...
[01:33] <fjellrev1> can anyone help me install Vmware..I dont know much,the only file that seems logical is "vmvare-installer.pl" this is python,no??what do I do with it? :)
[01:33] <Kevin_Jim> but if i don't chose i can intall it !
[01:35] <ninniuz> why Vmware? take a look at qemu
[01:36] <bhna> fjellrev1: open the terminal and type ./vmware-installer.pl
[01:38] <Solan> Hi:D
[01:39] <Solan> can anyone tell me where msncontact.cpp, the file for Kopete MSN, is located? or how I can search for it?
[01:40] <ninniuz> kopete/protocols/msn
[01:41] <Solan> how can I search for it? I can't fint the kopete folder...
[01:41] <ninniuz> have you downloaded it?
[01:42] <ninniuz> try this locate msncontact.cpp
[01:42] <Solan> I'v installed it...
[01:42] <Solan> thx..;)
[01:42] <ninniuz> from
[01:42] <ninniuz> source packages? you installed it or compiled and installed?
[01:42] <Solan> I'v installed kubuntu-desktop, and I came with it.... I think...?
[01:43] <ninniuz> well you have no source then so you have no msncontact.cpp file
[01:43] <ninniuz> why do u need it
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Solan: locate kopete
[01:43] <ninniuz> he has no sources
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ah...
[01:43] <Solan> I need to uncomment a line to make it download the display images automaticly...
[01:44] <ninniuz> well then you need sources and to compile it on ur own
[01:44] <Kevin_Jim> i have the Kubuntu 6.06 Live CD, can i install it some way at the begin, Before the computer load the live ?
[01:45] <ninniuz> dunno Kevin...let it load and you can chose to install it from the desktop
[01:45] <abattoir> Solan: Not sure which version you have, but beta3 has an option under the MSN settings...
[01:46] <Kevin_Jim> i try but when i'm up to chose the language nothing happen's neither for Greek neither for Engish one !
[01:46] <abattoir> Solan : "Download msn picture -> Automatically, Only manually etc.."
[01:47] <cyB3r44rd> hi there!
[01:47] <abattoir> Solan: have you checked the MSN Messenger Account settings?
[01:47] <cyB3r44rd> i have an xgl - xkb related question, could someone help me?
[01:47] <bhna> Kevin_Jim: #ubuntu+1 is the dapper channel
[01:48] <Solan> abattoir: I don't know witch version I'v got, but I'v enabled the download it automatically function, but I still have to do it manually.....
[01:48] <cyB3r44rd> after installing and setting up xgl successfully i have lost my xkb settings, can't use alt-gr, ctrl and stuff. local setting would be pc105 hu
[01:48] <bhna> cyB3r44rd: #ubuntu+1 is the dapper channel
[01:49] <cyB3r44rd> thx
[01:50] <anthony89> hi
[01:51] <Hobbsee> bhna: no, #kubuntu is the kubuntu dapper channel.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> however, xgl might make more sense somewhere else...i'm not sure
[01:51] <ninniuz> still cant upgrade my breezy to dapper ;-/
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: why so?
[01:52] <ninniuz> nothing seems to work
[01:52] <anthony89> how do I upgrade to GNOME?
[01:53] <ninniuz> changing my sources.list and doing a dist-upgrade wants to delete kde
[01:53] <Hobbsee> anthony89: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <bhna> Hobbsee: are you shure?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: ah, lovely...do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[01:53] <anthony89> tnx
[01:53] <Hobbsee> bhna: yep
[01:53] <ninniuz> yes I have kubuntu-desktop (breezy) installed
[01:53] <Hobbsee> bhna: i raised it yesterday in the meeting, was told that was the case, adn changed the topic
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: hmm...i thought it shouldnt have done that...
[01:54] <bhna> Hobbsee: ok then its may fault. sorry
[01:54] <Hobbsee> bhna: not a problem
[01:54] <ninniuz> Hobbsee: I thought too
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: it is safer to upgrade off a dapper cd - beta 2 is out fairly soon
[01:55] <ninniuz> Hobbsee: yes but how can I?
[01:55] <ninniuz> Hobbsee: should I include that cd in my sources and upgrade from there?
[01:55] <anthony89> How do I register my nickname pls?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> !register
[01:55] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[01:55] <anthony89> tnx
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ninniuz: no, you'd back up your /home partition, and install off the dapper cd
[01:56] <ninniuz> Hobbsee: oh well I wouldnt want to lose everything I have :p
[01:56] <Hobbsee> true, that's why you backup home
[01:56] <Hobbsee> back in a bit - need the new version of ndiswrapper...
[01:56] <ninniuz> k
[01:58] <anthony89> How do I login with my registered user when I restart my pc. or is that done automatically?
[02:04] <Solan> what's the correct syntax for patching with a .patch file? something with p0 I think..?
[02:04] <ninniuz> patch -p0 < file.patch
[02:04] <Solan> thx:)
[02:04] <ninniuz> you're welcome
[02:14] <fyrfaktry> has anyone gotten Kub to run at 1920x1200 on live CD? i don't see res options going that high.
[02:25] <anthony> sry, but my internet connection was lost
[02:25] <|lostbyte|> how do  i tell  which interface to use for internet connection sharing ?
[02:26] <anthony> can you pls tell me again the command to update GNOME?
[02:26] <abattoir> a
[02:27] <visik7> |lostbyte|: iptables -A POSTROUTING -o <interface> -j MASQUERADE
[02:28] <anthony> How do you update kubunto to GNOME pls?
[02:28] <visik7> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:29] <anthony> it gives me an error
[02:29] <|lostbyte|> visik7: that is to be done on my gateway pc right ?
[02:29] <visik7> |lostbyte|: correct
[02:30] <anthony> k done it
[02:30] <anthony> i had to add sudo before
[02:30] <|lostbyte|> visik7: and on both pc's the interface as o be the same ?
[02:31] <visik7> wait a min I'm on the phoe
[02:31] <visik7> phone
[02:31] <watsont4> hi all
[02:31] <watsont4> hi all
[02:33] <visik7> |lostbyte|: tell me
[02:33] <watsont4> would anyone be able to help me with a network problem im having?
 means the interface that u use as default gateway not the one connected to the switch where other computers are connected to
[02:33] <visik7> watsont4: explain the problem
[02:34] <watsont4> ok, im on dapper and i performed a dist-upgrade
[02:34] <watsont4> however the upgrade hung and i was forced to kill the updater
[02:34] <blackflag> hello all :)
[02:34] <watsont4> i rebooted and then the network wasnt working
[02:34] <visik7> what ifconfig says ?
[02:34] <watsont4> however i can still see it using iwconfig
[02:34] <visik7> have u finshed the upgrade ?
[02:34] <blackflag> does someone know how to remove abot from an IRC channel?
[02:35] <visik7> btw #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <blackflag> a bot
[02:35] <watsont4> ifconfig is fine, it says im connected, has an ip, signal strength etc
[02:35] <watsont4> but in network settings it says eth1 (the interface im using) is not connected
[02:35] <watsont4> sorry activated
[02:35] <watsont4> i can click activate
[02:36] <watsont4> that brings up an activation progress box, which dissapears after about a minute and then says its activated
[02:36] <watsont4> however if i run network settings again it says its not active again
[02:37] <visik7> never used such a panel
[02:37] <domi> the network settings gui seems a bit buggy with wireless cards
[02:37] <Solan> I need to do this: cat <prefix>/share/mediatomb/mysql.sql | mysql -u root mediatomb, but what am I supposed to replace <prefix> with...?
[02:37] <watsont4> yeah
[02:37] <watsont4> but ifconfig seems to be working fine
[02:38] <watsont4> ifup reports problems though
[02:38] <watsont4> is that important?
[02:38] <visik7> u need to check ifconfig , route -n and /etc/resolv.conf to be sure that the connection is working properly
[02:38] <watsont4> ok what am i looking for to indicate its working correctly?
[02:39] <domi> send a ping to www.google.de
[02:39] <watsont4> i get unknown host
[02:40] <watsont4> i tried pinging another computer on our network but no joy
[02:40] <Chris_Tucker> i dont get why people say to ping google... i never get pongs from google
[02:40] <domi> PING www.l.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:40] <domi> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=145 ms
[02:41] <Chris_Tucker> chris@Anisa:~$ ping www.google.de
[02:41] <Chris_Tucker> PING www.l.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[02:41] <watsont4> yeah it didnt work for me
[02:41] <Chris_Tucker> 15 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14013ms
[02:41] <visik7> Cheapy:  I always get icmp echo reply from google
[02:41] <Cheapy> yes
[02:41] <visik7> --- www.l.google.com ping statistics ---
[02:41] <visik7> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2001ms
[02:41] <visik7> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 171.697/183.990/205.316/15.146 ms
[02:42] <Chris_Tucker> visik7, i think you mean me, two more tabs
[02:42] <visik7> ops :)
[02:42] <Chris_Tucker> ;)
[02:42] <Chris_Tucker> maybe my own firewall is blocking it, i have it set to drop icmp packets
[02:42] <watsont4> so i ran sudo ifup eth1
[02:43] <watsont4> im getting a message saying send_packet: Network is down
[02:43] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, dhcp server on the network?
[02:43] <domi> watson, do you have wep or wpa enables?
[02:43] <Chris_Tucker> sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[02:43] <Chris_Tucker> sudo dhclient eth1
[02:43] <watsont4> yes i have wep enabled
[02:43] <watsont4> but the key is correct
[02:43] <kimo> guys, I stopped getting the 'update notifier' in tray! Is there a specific reason for that? How can I test?
[02:44] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, OOH! i know this, i had SERIOUS probs with it
[02:44] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, just a sec ive got a script for you
[02:44] <visik7> Chris_Tucker: u should drop icmp echo request from outside not from inside
[02:44] <visik7> btw time to go
[02:44] <domi> look after the wep key at /etc/network/interfaces if it is readable
[02:45] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[02:45] <domi> or only asteriks
[02:45] <watsont4> yeah ive done that
[02:45] <watsont4> i get errors when i run dhclient though
[02:45] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed
[02:46] <domi> can you read the wep key or are thee only asteriks?
[02:46] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "your_ssid"     <-- INCLUDE THE QUOTES
[02:46] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, sudo iwconfig wlan0 key open "XXXXXXX"  <<-- AGAIN KEEP THE QUOTES, put in your key where XXXXX
[02:46] <watsont4> yeah i dont have an interface called wlan0
[02:47] <watsont4> should i change that to eth1?
[02:47] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, whoops supposed to do all this with eth1 down
[02:47] <domi> yep
[02:47] <Chris_Tucker> yea change it to eth1
[02:47] <Chris_Tucker> but bring eth1 down first
[02:47] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, then bring eth1 up after those steps above
[02:47] <Chris_Tucker> and sudo dhclient eth1
[02:48] <Chris_Tucker> should work, if it did, i can mod my script to say eth1 for you and send it, all you'd have to do is edit it, fill in the ssid, and key, and save, chmod +x
[02:48] <Chris_Tucker> i can also tell you how to add that stuff to your startup
[02:48] <Chris_Tucker> :)
[02:48] <kimo> guys, I stopped getting the 'update notifier' in tray! Is there a specific reason for that? How can I test?
[02:49] <domi> maybe your machine is up to date
[02:49] <kimo> no there is one update
[02:49] <Chris_Tucker> kimo, that appears when your not up-to-date, and i think if you have gnome installed too
[02:49] <Chris_Tucker> right click it and choose to update
[02:49] <Chris_Tucker> it will update and go away
[02:49] <kimo> right click what?
[02:49] <kimo> I am on KDE
[02:50] <Chris_Tucker> update-notifier
[02:50] <kimo> It's not in the tray
[02:50] <domi> go to terminal, type in: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:50] <kimo> domi: this shows one update for gstreamer
[02:50] <kimo> domi: I wanna update from the notifier, not apt-get
[02:50] <Chris_Tucker> domi, ive done that before, update-notifier still lingers around, add && killall update-notifier to that line :)
[02:51] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, did it work?
[02:51] <watsont4> no sorry chris
[02:51] <Chris_Tucker> describe your error
[02:51] <watsont4> when i run dhclient eth1 i get lots of permission denied followed by some operation not permitteed
[02:51] <Chris_Tucker> some notebooks have problems using wireless with the wired still turned on, mine fits in that catagory, also needs acpi to be configed correctly to show the battery state :/
[02:52] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, did you use sudo on it?
[02:52] <watsont4> SIOCSI flags and masks
[02:52] <watsont4> yeah i did
[02:52] <Chris_Tucker> Really weird
[02:52] <watsont4> yeah the wireless used to work fine
[02:52] <watsont4> yeah i have no idea what it is
[02:52] <Chris_Tucker> ive never seen errors in dhclient before, besides when i screwed up a step or my radio is turned off, then it just cant get a lease
[02:53] <watsont4> yeah radio is on, i checked that already!
[02:53] <watsont4> ifconfig is working flawlessly
[02:53] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, good man
[02:53] <watsont4> i can scan for access points etc
[02:53] <Chris_Tucker> Wow
[02:54] <watsont4> yeah so im stumped as to what the problem is
[02:54] <Chris_Tucker> now thats not right... you sure you had eth1 down before you performed those steps, and then did sudo ifconfig eth1 up before dhclient? thats the only thing i can think of
[02:55] <watsont4> yep did it all
[02:55] <Tonio_> anyone there using knetworkmanager ? I have new version available and need tester
[02:56] <watsont4> Chris_Tucker: I have a change
[02:57] <Chris_Tucker> ?
[02:57] <watsont4> now dhclient reports no DHCP offers received
[02:57] <watsont4> instead of lots of errors
[02:57] <watsont4> oh its because the network card was unassociated
[02:57] <watsont4> my bad
[02:57] <Chris_Tucker> ahh
[02:58] <watsont4> yeah this is driving me insane
[02:59] <kimo> Figured it out, notifier for KDE, is called adept_notifier
[03:00] <watsont4> yeah im back to permission denied and operation not permitted
[03:01] <watsont4> does anyone know what  SIOCSEF refers to?
[03:01] <ep> Hi boys.  Still on a quest to install koffice 1.5 in breezy.  I have added Jonathan's key but all the mirrors given on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15.php are bad.  Can I get the deb elsewhere?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ep: is there a new version of koffice at all?
[03:02] <ninniuz> 1.5
[03:02] <ep> KOffice 1.5 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu.  Just not for me.
[03:02] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, you use ndiswrapper for that card?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> no, a newer version than 1.5....i thought i read something about it
[03:03] <ninniuz> no dont think so Hobbsee
[03:03] <Hobbsee> watsont4: ooh yeah, i've heard of that.  IIRC, they know about it, and am workign on it
[03:03] <ep> Even better, I just want something that does ODF.  I'm not an upgrade junkie or anything.
[03:03] <ninniuz> epinephrine: wich mirror?
[03:04] <Chris_Tucker> wow lots of misshit tabs going on in here
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Chris_Tucker: ?
[03:04] <Chris_Tucker> dunno
[03:05] <watsont4> no i dont think i use ndis wrapper
[03:05] <ep> How can I get it (koffice 1.5) for breezy?
[03:05] <Chris_Tucker> watsont4, well that screws my only other idea :/
[03:05] <ninniuz> epinephrine: which deb source are you using?
[03:06] <ninniuz> sorry...talking to ep
[03:07] <ep> ninniuz: I'm tried all the deb source listed on the url i posted above.  None work.
[03:07] <FearMoth> is it possible to netboot install kubuntu?
[03:07] <ninniuz> I'm using the first one...it should
[03:07] <ninniuz> let me check
[03:07] <ep> for breezy
[03:07] <ep> ?
[03:07] <ninniuz> breezy
[03:08] <ninniuz> added through adept or what?
[03:08] <Tonio_> FearMoth: with a RIS, yes, that should be possible
[03:08] <Tonio_> accross the net, no, it isn't actually
[03:08] <FearMoth> Tonio_ what's a RIS ?
[03:09] <Tonio_> remote installation service
[03:09] <watsont4> Chris_Tucker: its all a bit of a nightmare!
[03:09] <Tonio_> ghostcast server for example uses RIS
[03:09] <ep> ninniuz: i'm not familar with installing from deb so its higly probable i'm doing things wrong
[03:09] <FearMoth> Tonio_ so I'd need another computer running linux to install it on this one?
[03:09] <Tonio_> so if you got it, simply install kubuntu in oem mode, create an ghost image that you place on the ghostcast server
[03:09] <Tonio_> and then pxe boot will work
[03:10] <ninniuz> epinephrine: did you add the source through adept?
[03:10] <Tonio_> FearMoth: maybe yes, but what I'm talking about is for deploiement in companies
[03:10] <Tonio_> ghostcast server isn't a free application ;)
[03:10] <FearMoth> ohh
[03:10] <FearMoth> i'm kinda stuck here..
[03:10] <ninniuz> oh damn dunno why kopete keeps expanding ep to ephinerphrine
[03:10] <ep> i did install the key via wget and apt-key add. Thats where i'm at
[03:10] <Tonio_> I don't know any ris server for linux
[03:11] <Tonio_> FearMoth: could be interesting to look if partimage as a component for this
[03:11] <Tonio_> but that will require a server part component, with dhcp server etc...... it is not an easy job to set
[03:11] <ep> ninniuz: no I did not add the source through adept.  How do i do this
[03:11] <FearMoth> i have no blank cd-r's to burn the iso to, is there any way I can boot from floppy and boot the ISO or anything? or extract the kubuntu iso file to an empty partition and boot with grub? is that possible?
[03:12] <ninniuz> ep:open adept, then adept -> manage repositories
[03:13] <ep> can i do this from the command line?
[03:13] <ninniuz> insert the line you find on that site on the text box
[03:13] <Tonio_> FearMoth: with ris you don't need even a floppy
[03:13] <leeghoofd> hey, do you know how to add a button directly to a directory (home for instance) to the taskbar?
[03:13] <ep>  i see
[03:13] <Tonio_> pxe network boot, performs dhcp and the floppy equivalent is shipped by the ris server
[03:13] <ninniuz> yes you can...you should edit you /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:13] <FearMoth> Tonio_: can I do it using only one computer though?
[03:13] <Tonio_> in your case, I don't think a floppy is big enough to contain boot minimal environnement and network driver
[03:14] <Tonio_> FearMoth: if you talk about rebooting on an iso file, I don't know any way to do this with linux
[03:14] <Tonio_> there is a windows application that does this, but that's quite crappy method, since it hacks the MBR on the fly
[03:15] <leeghoofd> ther eis a submenu button but that means two click to get to home, can I directly add it to the taskbar
[03:15] <leeghoofd> like in default kde
[03:15] <Tonio_> FearMoth: what do you want to do exactly ? upgrade to dapper or something ?
[03:15] <ep> just add the deb line to the sources.list file?
[03:15] <Tonio_> FearMoth: cause I beleive what you wanna do is not really possible
[03:15] <ninniuz> yes
[03:15] <FearMoth> Tonio_: nope, just install kubuntu.. I just have no cds.
[03:16] <ep> easy as pie, thanks
[03:16] <Tonio_> FearMoth: what are you using actually ?
[03:16] <ninniuz> you're welcome
[03:16] <FearMoth> Tonio_: what do you mean?
[03:16] <Tonio_> are you using kubuntu in previous version actually ?
[03:16] <FearMoth> no, ubuntu breezy
[03:17] <Tonio_> FearMoth: and you want to update to dapper ? that doesn't require reinstallation
[03:17] <FearMoth> i know I can install kubuntu-desktop but I'd like to do a clean install of kubuntu
[03:17] <Tonio_> FearMoth: then I'm affraid buying a cd is the only solution.......
[03:18] <FearMoth> can't boot from my current grub setup at all? I extracted the iso image to a 2.2gb orb disk that I formatted with ext2, but when I set up grub to boot it, it kernel panicked. maybe I just have it set up wrong?
[03:19] <Tonio_> FearMoth: hum....... that can be an option yes
[03:19] <Tonio_> I think it is possible to boot an iso file using grub, I forgot that option ;)
[03:19] <Tonio_> FearMoth: you can try this
[03:21] <FearMoth> Tonio_: can I use the vmlinuz and initrd.gz that are in the /install directory on the cd image?
[03:22] <Tonio_> FearMoth: don't know concerning this, but you search google grub concerning booting an iso file directly,
[03:22] <Tonio_> I never used this, but I remember something talking about that
[03:23] <ep> ninniuz: I added deb line and updated.  Now I'm ready to apt-get install koffice.  How can i verify I'm getting 1.5 and not 1.4 first?
[03:24] <FearMoth> Tonio_: what program is run once the cd boots up? is there any way to find out and run that if I booted from a rescue floppy and chroot'd to where I extracted the ISO?
[03:24] <ninniuz> I'm pretty sure you will get the 1.5 version
[03:24] <ep> ok
[03:25] <ep> btw i guess ep doesn't need any expanding :-)
[03:25] <ninniuz> it does when I type ep:
[03:25] <ninniuz> and some text after it
[03:25] <ninniuz> like that ep: hi
[03:25] <ninniuz> epinephrine: hi
[03:26] <ep> ah
[03:26] <ninniuz> see?
[03:31] <ep> wow, koffice is zippy fast opening odf's  compared to openoffice
[03:44] <navidjoon> Anybody upgraded to Dapper?
[03:45] <ep> On that source install I just did for koffice 1.5.  The deb source was 1.5 specific, can I comment out or delete the line from my sources.list file or do I need to keep it around for future upgrades?
[03:45] <navidjoon> Is it safe? Any problems?
[03:45] <apokryphos> it's still beta status, but many people are using it
[03:46] <navidjoon> I knwo. I'm looking for someone who has done this himself.
[03:47] <apokryphos> me ;-)
[03:47] <navidjoon> Fine, apokryphos, how was the experience?
[03:47] <apokryphos> there's no guarantees that it'll work, and it may vary day-by-day, but to speak for myself I've been using it for a few months now =)
[03:47] <navidjoon> Any particular problems?
[03:47] <ep> What are the big differences compared to breezy?
[03:47] <apokryphos> haven't encountered any problems that I couldn't ever get over, really. It helps if you're experienced a bit with ubuntu/debian-based systems
[03:48] <apokryphos> ep: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/dapper-beta.php
[03:48] <knztux> bonjour
[03:48] <navidjoon> One more thing, is there any difference if I do  a clean install or update?
[03:48] <apokryphos> navidjoon: in general I'd say: you should almost definitely be fine
[03:49] <apokryphos> navidjoon: many people in #ubuntu+1 have it
[03:49] <knztux> soory
[03:49] <knztux> Ooops
[03:49] <apokryphos> navidjoon: there's a difference, but it's easier and should be just find to dist-upgrade
[03:49] <navidjoon> Si I'll just have to edit my repo file and do a apt-get update?
[03:51] <apokryphos> navidjoon: /msg ubotu upgrade
[03:51] <petsei> hello :)
[03:56] <cfraz89> i
[03:56] <cfraz89> *hi
[03:56] <cfraz89> has anyone here been able to print with a canon printer in dapper?
[03:56] <cfraz89> for me it stops after a page and a hlf
[03:56] <cfraz89> and i can see other people have same problem, from google
[03:58] <JakubS> cfraz89: i have canon pixma ip1500 and it works fine (kinda)
[03:58] <scream_> Buenos dias
[03:59] <cfraz89> kinda?
[04:02] <JakubS> well, having max 600dpi on printer capable of several times more or driver running amok if i hit 'print' before turning on printer is not what i call working perfectly
[04:02] <cfraz89> oh ok
[04:02] <cfraz89> hmm
[04:02] <cfraz89> my ip4000 stops after a page
[04:03] <JakubS> where did you find drivers for it?
[04:03] <cfraz89> im using the gutenprint ones
[04:03] <cfraz89> apparently the drivers dont matter, the printing always stops
[04:03] <cfraz89> i think its a bug in cups 1.2
[04:04] <JakubS> hm, my setup is laptop with kubuntu and cups 1.2 printing to remote printer connected to machine with cups 1.1 on suse
[04:05] <JakubS> but i tested it first with direct connection to laptop and it worked
[04:05] <cfraz89> oh ok
[04:05] <JakubS> i don't remember if i tested several pages though
[04:05] <cfraz89> hmmm
[04:05] <cfraz89> oh
[04:05] <cfraz89> for me a simple 1 page will work
[04:06] <cfraz89> but anything complex or over a page stops
[04:06] <JakubS> printing process hangs or terminates?
[04:06] <cfraz89> no
[04:06] <cfraz89> the job still shows
[04:06] <cfraz89> seems all responsive
[04:06] <cfraz89> but printer stops printing
[04:06] <cfraz89> eventually it times out and spits out the half page
[04:07] <psi_force> why does the system guard applet always ask for connection info when I login?
[04:10] <michael> hi
[04:10] <sorush20> what do I have to do so that my kmeunu on task bar is refresed?
[04:11] <michael> i ve connected two linux boxen via a cross over network cable
[04:11] <michael>  what is the best aka easiest way to share files between them?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> sorush20: killall kicker && kicker
[04:15] <cfraz89> michael: either samba or kde filesharing applet
[04:17] <michael> cfraz89: whats the kde filesharing applet?
[04:17] <nadav_> hi anyone femil;ar with APT or ADEPT for help ?
[04:20] <nadav_> chanells
[04:20] <nadav_> #Israel
[04:21] <cfraz89> it is a kicker applet
[04:21] <cfraz89> right click on kicker
[04:21] <cfraz89> add applet
[04:21] <cfraz89> it is called public file server
[04:21] <cfraz89> it is basically a small web server
[04:21] <cfraz89> but is immensely useful in quickly sharing files over the network
[04:21] <cfraz89> especially tied in with zeroconf
[04:23] <Chris_Tucker> anyone know of a way to disable KDE's auto-handling of volume events?
[04:23] <cfraz89> you mean popping in cd's and stuff?
[04:24] <Chris_Tucker> like XF86AudioRaiseVolume
[04:24] <cfraz89> oh
[04:24] <nadav_> HI dose anyon knows to fix APT cache problem.
[04:24] <Chris_Tucker> i dont want it to handel those events, cause it does it with the master, and the master on this driver does nothing, only PCM. and i have my own keybindings ready to go to control PCM. but those normal evnts are hogging it
[04:27] <WhyM> Does anyone know what could prevent Kmail from sending messages via any smtp provider?
[04:37] <xst> If I install the beta-release, will I then be able to upgrade to all future releases simply by doing a "apt-get upgrade"?
[04:40] <bimberi> xst: yes, except with dist-upgrade
[04:40] <bimberi> gah
[04:41] <bimberi> xst: yes, but use 'dist-upgrade'
[04:41] <smoosh> hi, what is a good unit converter?
[04:44] <Seantater> smoosh: what do you want to convert?
[04:44] <xst> bimberi. Ok, thanks
[04:45] <smoosh> Seantater: the most thing possible...
[04:45] <Seantater> smoosh: like, celcius to fehrenhiet?
[04:46] <Seantater> smoosh: try http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/Measurement/Converter.ASP
[04:46] <smoosh> Seantater: no,like Watt to Hp... meters to miles and son on...
[04:46] <smoosh> Seantater: ok...
[04:46] <Seantater> smoosh: I use it a lot for stuff like that..
[04:48] <smoosh> Seantater: thanks
[04:53] <Chris_Tucker> how do you have something start the instant kdm does?
[04:53] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: add it do the KDM init script..
[04:54] <Chris_Tucker> Seantater, where is that?
[04:54] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: but in a serial computer, you have to decide whether you want it before or after kdm..
[04:54] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: look in /etc/rcS.d
[04:54] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: It should have somwthing that says kdm
[04:55] <Chris_Tucker> Seantater, nope
[04:55] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: Just open that as root in a text editor and add whatever you want to the end
[04:56] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: nope, no kdm?
[04:57] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: Sorry, not rcS.d, it's in /etc/init.d
[04:57] <Chris_Tucker> Seantater, its also in /etc/rc2.d/S21kdm
[04:57] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: Ok -- so I'm no expert at SysV init..
[04:58] <Chris_Tucker> Seantater, so in /etc/init.d/kdm where inside this would i put my command?
[04:58] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: Either the end or beginning
[04:59] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: but, always put it below the #!/bin/bash part!!
[04:59] <Snorre> anyone here use digikam in dapper?
[04:59] <Chris_Tucker> Seantater, ive written a few bash scripts, i know that much ;) i wasnt sure cause the exit 0 at the end
[05:00] <Seantater> Chris_Tucker: well -- the exit 0 pert is optional, so you need to wither put it before exit 0 or remove exit 0
[05:00] <cfraz89> i use digikam
[05:01] <Seantater> Snorre: Not recently, but I did in alpha 5..
[05:01] <Snorre> cfraz89: do your plugins load ??
[05:02] <Snorre> mine dont, not the kipi plugins, nor the digikam oones
[05:02] <Seantater> Snorre: I had the same problem..
[05:05] <Snorre> Seantater: any fix,, ive hunted high and low, but i couldnt even find  reports of the same issue
[05:05] <Seantater> Snorre: I never gave it that much thought -- I just stopped using digikam
[05:06] <Snorre> bummer
[05:07] <Snorre> yeah  ive just started using fspot instead
[05:08] <cfraz89> Snorre: yes
[05:09] <cfraz89> they do for me
[05:09] <cfraz89> this printing problem is driving me insance
[05:09] <cfraz89> *insane
[05:09] <cfraz89> i think im going to convert this computer to suse
[05:11] <cfraz89> cups in dapper sucks
[05:13] <Seantater> cfraz89: so what's wrong with your printing?
[05:14] <cfraz89> it stops after one and a half pages
[05:14] <Seantater> cfraz89: on everything?
[05:14] <cfraz89> apparantly many people with pixma printers and dapper have same problem
[05:14] <cfraz89> yep
[05:15] <biovore> cfraz89: check with the cupsys people..
[05:16] <cfraz89> their all dead or asleep
[05:16] <biovore> well it is saturday
[05:17] <cfraz89> hmm
[05:17] <cfraz89> oh well
[05:17] <cfraz89> thanks anyway
[05:17] <cfraz89> cya
[05:19] <eugman> I'm going to do a full backup with kdar. Should I exclude any of the stuff in the list like proc? What is that anyways?
[05:20] <Seantater> eugman: WARNING! Do not backup /proc!
[05:21] <Seantater> eugman: It's an interface to your kernel.. But it's not real, it's just statistics and config files that do not exist.
[05:21] <eugman> From the looks of it everything on the list is temporary so I'll add all of the exclude folders.
[05:22] <eugman> thanks
[05:22] <Seantater> eugman: Also remeber not to back up /usr, probably not /opt, not /bin, /sbin, /tmp
[05:23] <Seantater> eugman: /boot won't do any good backed up either..
[05:24] <eugman> Well I'd like to be able to doa full restore so wouldn't it be a good idea to most of those?
[05:24] <eugman> hmm my verb ran away.
[05:25] <Seantater> eugman: AFAIK, a full restore is not entirely possible..
[05:25] <Seantater> eugman: it would be more a problem than it's worth dealing with apt.
[05:26] <Seantater> eugman: I keep all my data on a separate parition so I don't deal with that..
[05:27] <Seantater> eugman: I'm giving a good guess that a full restore whould not boot because of the traditional way of copying files.. AFAIK, the kernel has to be the first file on the partition..
[05:28] <eugman> But let's say I beak something on my installation do you think it's possible to roll backp to the state from the last backup?
[05:29] <Seantater> eugman: It depends on how broken it is and what broke..
[05:32] <eugman> I guess the point is moot anyways . If it's something so bad that I can't get into the terminal I'm doomed anyways and most stuff can be fixed with ubuntu with a bit of searching.
[05:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:37] <Chris_Tucker> ive got a testimony :P here it goes: with ubuntu installed, and ndiswrapper, i had kubuntu-desktop installed too and xfce, etc.... I would FREQUENTLY get kernel panics caused by ndiswrapper, which drove me nuts, and i went on a search for a replacement mini-pci nic but ended up empty handed..
[05:37] <robotgeek> !wireless
[05:37] <ubotu> it has been said that wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards if it does not work out of the box https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper windows drivers
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> robotgeek, not finished yet
[05:38] <Chris_Tucker> two days ago i reinstalled for several reasons, and chose Kubuntu this time, and am very happy with it, but the really surprising and confusing thing is that so far i have NOT encountered ANY kernel panics AT ALL since doing this, even running one program that ALWAYs  used to cause it, so all in all, im extremely pleased with my decision
[05:39] <robotgeek> Chris_Tucker: heh, nice. strange, as they use same kernel
[05:39] <Chris_Tucker> yea, thats whats great :)
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> im on 2.6.12-10-686. just as i was with ubuntu
[05:40] <Chris_Tucker> :D
[05:45] <nico8481> re
[06:00] <mzelem> Could someone help me figure out what why I can't copy/paste. For some reason when using kubuntu, my computer will randomly not copy and paste, (even in the same application sometimes.) I can use the middle mouse button for pasting, but not being able to highlight other text to replace it is extremely annoying
[06:02] <Chris_Tucker> there a command i can assign to a button for locking the session ?
[06:05] <Chris_Tucker> ( i know how to assign the command, just need to know the command )
[06:07] <robotgeek> Chris_Tucker: not sure, sorry
[06:09] <nKf> hi
[06:10] <nKf> can someone give me a complete list of all offical entries in the sources.list for kubuntu/dapper, please?
[06:11] <robotgeek> !sources
[06:11] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[06:11] <nKf> thanks, ill take a look
[06:16] <mzelem> Does anyone know why copy/paste wouldn't work ( and yes I do have Klipper running )
[06:16] <mark---> Some setting is messed up with the "Always on top" feature. How can I change (i think in KDE settings) what applications are 'always on top'? The problem is that, for example, when I want to compose a new e-mail, the new one is hidden until I force to go 'always on top'.
[06:16] <robotgeek> mzelem: what options do you have in kilpper
[06:17] <robotgeek> mark---: i would think, Right click (on window border) -> Window Settings
[06:17] <robotgeek> or application settings
[06:17] <mzelem> configure klipper
[06:17] <mark---> thanks...checking...
[06:18] <mzelem> robotgeek:I'm not quite sure what you mean...
[06:19] <robotgeek> mzelem: i have "Syncronize clipboards" and "Prevent empty clipbaords"
[06:20] <mzelem> oh, ok, I have that, and "save clipboard contents on exit
[06:20] <mzelem> "remove whitespace when executeing actions...
[06:20] <mzelem> "replay actions on item selected from history (not checked)"
[06:22] <robotgeek> mzelem: if it doesn't work, i am not sure what's wrong
[06:23] <mzelem> robotgeek: last time I had this problem someone had me change the permissions on something and it fixed it, but then I installed breezy over hoary and I forgot what they told me to do....
[06:24] <robotgeek> mzelem: i have no clue, sorry
[06:24] <mzelem> ok, thanks anyway
[06:42] <francois> is it good?
[06:55] <XP1> anyone here?
[06:55] <thmas> yeah
[06:55] <XP1> i installed samba and all of a sudden, my internet connection doesn't work
[06:56] <XP1> i mean the wireless card
[06:56] <XP1> or the nic
[06:56] <thmas> i installed samba a few minutes ago
[06:56] <thmas> here i am :)
[06:57] <thmas> can't help u with that problem, sorry.
[06:58] <XP1> :(
[07:00] <minime--> !wine
[07:03] <stevekl> "Are you a generous lover?"
[07:03] <stevekl> Well i'd like to think I am.
[07:08] <minime--> oh no im so egoistic its not true
[07:09] <zambba> oh noes
[07:09] <minime--> =)
[07:12] <regeya> kubuntu dapper is coming along sooooooooooo nicely...if anyone involved is around, congrats
[07:15] <ubuntu> people... my kubuntu beta 2 crashed during installation, i didn't spect that :-S
[07:16] <minime--> !nvidia
[07:16] <ubotu> Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[07:21] <regeya> hint:  beta 2 is BETA :->
[07:22] <ubuntu> ;-)
[07:25] <Blissex> regeya: beta 2 is _very_ BETA in some parts.
[07:30] <visik7> there is more than a month from here to dapper release and OS community work much faster than closed
[07:30] <visik7> (who said vista will'not be out in a month ? :) )
[07:30] <visik7> Gotta go
[07:36] <ubuntu> is there any way to use the old text installation system with the Desktop beta 2 CD?
[07:37] <crimsun> no, that's the install beta 2 cd
[07:37] <crimsun> that's in ^
[07:38] <stuq> ok, can someone tell me what 'skim' is??
[07:38] <ubuntu> ok
[07:38] <ubuntu> thx
[07:38] <ubuntu> i think i will need to download the other CD :-S
[07:38] <stuq> "skim is an input method platform"
[07:38] <stuq> whatever that is...
[07:39] <crimsun> stuq: it's a kde frontend for scim
[07:40] <stuq> yes, but what is an input method platform.. what does it do?
[07:40] <crimsun> scim of course is used for entering characters in other languages like Chinese
[07:40] <stuq> ah...
[07:40] <stuq> ok
[07:46] <minime--> !mount
[07:46] <ubotu> it has been said that mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[07:48] <Solan> any1 have any experience with setting up mediatomb?
[07:49] <HymnToLife> !anyone
[07:49] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[07:49] <drbreen> !automount
[07:49] <ubotu> drbreen: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:50] <drbreen> is there a way to disable automount?
[07:51] <Solan> okay, I'm getting an error when I try running mediatomb, the error sais that a table in a database doesn't excist, but the user that the program has been connected to has full admin rights to the database.. what's wrong?
[08:12] <jihi> how can i give a user, who is not in the user list, write permissions to a mounted Vfat device?
[08:13] <jihi> how can i set writable for all users? ^^
[08:14] <HymnToLife> !tell jihi about ntfs
[08:14] <HymnToLife> it covers FAT also
[08:14] <gleesond> how do I stop ubuntu from overwrighing my /etc/resolv.conf... it trys to auto detect the nameservers but gets the wrong ip's I know the right ip's
[08:17] <drbreen> jihi: a user in the user list ?
[08:17] <krenx> Hi. im trying to mount my 2nd hdd, im on Disk & filesystems now. what type should it be ? Second Extended FS ?
[08:17] <drbreen> err not in the user list ?
[08:17] <drbreen> krenx: is it formatted yet ?
[08:18] <krenx> no, do I need to format it? :/
[08:18] <krenx> its fat32 btw.
[08:18] <HymnToLife> krenx> better use Windows to format a partition as FAT
[08:19] <HymnToLife> I heard Parted doesn't do it properly
[08:19] <krenx> I really dont know how to do that
[08:19] <HymnToLife> right click in My Computer > Format
[08:19] <drbreen> krenx: try "sudo mkdosfs /dev/hdb1" or stuff
[08:19] <krenx> or stuff ?
[08:20] <krenx> :)
[08:20] <drbreen> hda is ide 1 master drive, hdb ide 1 slave, hdc ide 2 master etc.
[08:20] <drbreen> and hda1 is first partition on disk hda
[08:20] <drbreen> that is stuff
[08:21] <drbreen> you do not have to use windows
[08:21] <drbreen> i do not use parted regularly, but it did its job once with fat partitions
[08:22] <krenx> gparted ?
[08:22] <drbreen> yeah that is the program
[08:23] <drbreen> use it, luke
[08:23] <krenx> ok, ken
[08:23] <krenx> :P
[08:23] <drbreen> my name is bob
[08:23] <drbreen> really ;)
[08:24] <krenx> My name is Hans
[08:24] <krenx> hans-inge
[08:24] <krenx> I dont see my 2nd hdd in gparted
[08:25] <drbreen> what DO you see
[08:25] <krenx> hda1,hda2 and hda5
[08:26] <drbreen> you see more ?
[08:26] <krenx> no
[08:26] <krenx> oh
[08:26] <krenx> i changed too dev/hdb now
[08:26] <krenx> :)
[08:27] <xwolf-> how do i install a .tar.bz2 file?
[08:27] <drbreen> tar -xzf myarchive.tar.gz
[08:28] <drbreen> and then search for an install script ?
[08:28] <krenx> with this unallocated, i rightclick and "new" ?
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> tar vxfj myarchive.tar.bz2
[08:28] <drbreen> is it unallocated ? we do not want to destroy your preciousssss partitionssss ?
[08:28] <drbreen> if it really is, then, YES
[08:29] <krenx> uhm, can only do new size 8
[08:29] <krenx> minimum 8 maximum 8
[08:31] <krenx> what should i convert the fat32 too ?
[08:31] <xwolf-> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:31] <xwolf-> "
[08:31] <xwolf-> i believe i have gcc installed... i do have.
[08:32] <HymnToLife> !tell xwolf- about b-e
[08:33] <drbreen> krenx: with "converting" do you mean you have data on a fat32 part and want to keep it or do you just want to make another partition (whick will wipe the space, of course)
[08:34] <krenx> nah
[08:35] <drbreen> as i recall, parted can not "cnovert partitions"
[08:35] <drbreen> but you can delete it
[08:35] <drbreen> safe choices for new filesystems are reiserfs and ext3
[08:37] <xwolf-> !b-e
[08:37] <ubotu> No make ? You need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[08:38] <wubrgamer> hey guys, i am a n00b and am trying to network install ubuntnu on a laptop without any cd drive (it is a modern system with pxe booting capabilities though)
[08:39] <dmlayton3> Has anyone gotten mythTV working on Dapper?
[08:39] <drbreen> for dapper use #ubuntu+1
[08:39] <dmlayton3> thanks
[08:40] <wubrgamer> anybody know how to help me troubleshoot a dhcp3 server issue?
[08:40] <wubrgamer> it won't start
[08:40] <xwolf-> now i got "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:40] <xwolf-> "
[08:41] <xwolf-> that's odd.
[08:42] <xwolf-> HymnToLife got any ideas? ;/
[08:43] <HymnToLife> hmmm... no :p
[08:43] <xwolf-> that's not good :)
[08:43] <timri> xwolf-: install kdebase-dev
[08:43] <xwolf-> what's that?
[08:44] <drbreen> wubrgamer: so you have another system acting as dhcp server, right ?
[08:44] <timri> xwolf-: A package to gets rid of the X errors message ;)
[08:45] <xwolf-> :P
[08:46] <xwolf-> wow
[08:46] <xwolf-> that's big.
[08:47] <tarheel> why do I keep having trouble installing kubuntu on a 450 dell w/ 256 mem 16 meg video card 13 gig hardrive
[08:48] <timri> tarheel: What kind of trouble? Dapper or Breezy?
[08:49] <tarheel> it boots checks and goes to screen installing packages and stops
[08:49] <timri> tarheel: let me guess: at 66% ?
[08:50] <tarheel> at 0%
[08:50] <HymnToLife> wow
[08:50] <HymnToLife> that's Satan's work for sure :p
[08:50] <tarheel> does not install
[08:50] <timri> tarheel: Oops! What does the log say (or the error console)
[08:51] <tarheel> on error come up
[08:51] <timri> tarheel: Huh? I don't quite follow you.
[08:52] <tarheel> loaded the disk it installed, said remove disk and boot, boot pc 4 times keep getting stuck at screen installing packages
[08:54] <timri> tarheel: Ahh, so _after reboot_ i.e. the base-install had finished. OK, being 13 G i doubt it is sata. Has it a removable CDROM drive ?
[08:55] <timri> tarheel: Other question: you did of course get sucessfully past the grub install, didn't you ?
[08:55] <tarheel> no   one cdrom drive ide, ide hardrive
[08:56] <xwolf-> timri i got the same X includes error
[08:56] <tarheel> no I did keep getting error canot finish loading hard drive is full or disk is dirty
[08:57] <xwolf-> looks like it failed to install a single deb file? libopenxr or something like that
[08:57] <xwolf-> s/?/null
[08:57] <timri> xwolf-: *cough* , well it worked here *cough*, do you have xorg-x11-dev installed ?
[08:58] <xwolf-> probably not.
[08:58] <tarheel> is there anyway to fix my problem
[08:58] <timri> tarheel: Aha! Well, that is bad... :)
[08:58] <xwolf-> anyways, i just found out what i am trying to install is not gonna do what i want it to
[08:58] <xwolf-> so, game over.
[08:59] <timri> xwolf-: What do you want to do exactly?
[08:59] <xwolf-> do you think i should purge kdebase-dev?
[08:59] <xwolf-> it was kmobiletools.
[08:59] <timri> xwolf-: Purge kdebase-dev if you do not need it (you obviously don't) cannot harm
[09:00] <_ismael> Any person know  if is possible syncronizate kontact with mobile sony-ericsson t630?
[09:00] <xwolf-> timri is it in apt-get too? O_O
[09:01] <timri> xwolf-: kMobiletools is, yes (I'm running dapper, though)
[09:02] <timri> _ismael: Ask xwolf- ;) As it happens he is just trying to install kmobiletools.
[09:03] <tarheel> well I guess I'll try installing ubuntu see if it will load
[09:03] <xwolf-> from the page i read, kmobiletools was suited for motorola c650, my very own phone. don't know any other possible ones
[09:04] <xwolf-> well, back to java learning now.
[09:04] <xwolf-> afk
[09:04] <timri> tarheel: That will not help, at that stage of the install your system is neither u nor ku
[09:06] <_ismael> but kmobiletools no detect  my usb conection phone
[09:06] <timri> _ismael: Quote from kmobiletools.org/FAQ : "I installed it and it works really great with my t630"
[09:06] <tarheel> did i do the partion right 13gig   it made a swap partion of 687megs  somthing like that
[09:07] <timri> tarheel: It's a bit much but that shouldn't hamper the reboot at all.
[09:12] <timri> _ismael: You might try the usbserial kernel module to connect your phone (just read it at kmobiletools.org/FAQs ) have no experience with that, though
[09:13] <timri> _ismael: As I was saying: You might want to try the usbserial kernel module to connect your phone (Just read it at kmobiletools.org/FAQs) I have no experience with it though
[09:15] <Snake[Nude] > timri: nice call :)
[09:16] <MachineScrew> can any one tell me why maps.google.com ajax interface won't work in Konqueror
[09:16] <timri> MachineScrew: What version of konqi?
[09:16] <MachineScrew> one sec
[09:17] <MachineScrew> Dapper 3.5.2
[09:17] <joe_attaboy> Machine: it's not supported at all
[09:17] <joe_attaboy> Konq, I mean
[09:17] <timri> MachineScrew: Strange have the same here, but it seems to be working (difficult to say with a louzy 512kbps line)
[09:18] <MachineScrew> java isn't suported
[09:18] <timri> MachineScrew: What has java got to do with it?
[09:18] <MachineScrew> ajax is java and xml
[09:18] <MachineScrew> the interface dosn't need a refresh
[09:18] <joe_attaboy> konq isn't on the list of supported browsers, which is odd, since konq is supposed to be based on gecko
[09:19] <timri> MachineScrew: ajax = java and xml ???? bollocks
[09:19] <MachineScrew> no its based on KHTML
[09:19] <timri> joe_attaboy: Huh konk is based on KHTML
[09:19] <joe_attaboy> are you sure about that?
[09:19] <MachineScrew> ya
[09:19] <MachineScrew> safari
[09:19] <timri> joe_attaboy: yes
[09:19] <MachineScrew> mac browser
[09:19] <joe_attaboy> where did I see that it used gecko?
[09:19] <MachineScrew> same engine
[09:19] <joe_attaboy> recently
[09:20] <MachineScrew> it used to
[09:20] <MachineScrew> use gecko that is
[09:20] <joe_attaboy> OK
[09:20] <joe_attaboy> that explains it
[09:20] <MachineScrew> but ajax dose use java
[09:20] <joe_attaboy> I'm getting old.
[09:20] <joe_attaboy> you're right about ajax
[09:20] <timri> MachineScrew: Not true: But there was a borked gecko QT port for it
[09:20] <MachineScrew> ok
[09:20] <timri> MachineScrew: Well _I_ can do ajax with javascript
[09:21] <MachineScrew> right and its not working in Konqueror
[09:21] <joe_attaboy> brb
[09:21] <timri> MachineScrew: is *httprequest at all supported in Konqi
[09:22] <MachineScrew> ok I don't know what to tell you but right now this is NOT the ajax interface
[09:24] <timri> MachineScrew: From wikipedia: "Asynchronous JavaScript And XML, or its acronym, Ajax " So it has nothing to do with java
[09:24] <MachineScrew> check it
[09:24] <MachineScrew> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/satempler/snapshot1.jpg
[09:24] <timri> But this discussion has also nothing to do with kubuntu :)
[09:24] <joe_attaboy> i just noticed my java setup for konq is afu. brb
[09:26] <MachineScrew> and this in mozilla
[09:26] <MachineScrew> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c383/satempler/snapshot2.jpg
[09:26] <MachineScrew> and yes it dose because it works in SuSE
[09:26] <MachineScrew> ;)
[09:26] <MachineScrew> in knoqueror
[09:26] <yamal> MachineScrew: google maps looks like the second screenshot for me in both konqueror and firefox
[09:27] <MachineScrew> then you have somthing right that i don't
[09:27] <MachineScrew> thats what I am trying to get
[09:27] <MachineScrew> what do I not have
[09:28] <timri> MachineScrew: We have the same (dapper with konq 3.5.2), so I know it should be possible. For you info: I do not have java installed, have cookies set to 'treat all as session', so nothing special.
[09:29] <MachineScrew> ok
[09:29] <MachineScrew> so you have nothing extra installed yet it dosn't look right on here hmm... i did an update and it did upgrade konqueror
[09:30] <MachineScrew> may be I should log out and log back in hun?
[09:33] <joe_attaboy> Machine: I just noticed that konq doesn't support all of google mail either.
[09:33] <joe_attaboy> this is why I use firefox
[09:33] <joe_attaboy> ;-)
[09:35] <Snake__> joe_attaboy: konq blows as a wb
[09:36] <Snake__> Been like that since KDE 3 came out
[09:36] <Snake__> lol
[09:39] <_ismael> hello
[09:41] <robotgeek> konq on dapper does gmail fine, ty
[09:41] <krenx> Wy cant I see my hdd,floppy and cdrom in Storage media ?
[09:41] <Snake__> krenx: what version?
[09:41] <Snake__> robotgeek: it still sucks/
[09:41] <Snake__> krenx: Breezy or dapper
[09:42] <krenx> breezy
[09:42] <Snake__> Its a bug
[09:42] <robotgeek> Snake__: no, read this http://robotgeek.org/blog/2006/04/01/firefox-tip-kill-the-rodent/
[09:42] <krenx> so, where do i find it
[09:42] <krenx> :)
[09:42] <Snake__> lol
[09:43] <Snake__> krenx: yea, I think its fixed in dapper, but i havnt seen a fix for breezy, go to /media/ to see all your drives
[09:43] <Snake__> robotgeek: ....so? lol
[09:43] <robotgeek> Snake__: it doesn't suck :)
[09:44] <Snake__> I beg to differ
[09:49] <XVampireX> Is there a package for Bon Echo?
[09:49] <XVampireX> (Firefox 2 code name)
[09:49] <Snake__> XVampireX: doubt it.
[09:50] <Snake__> XVampireX: Unless firefox releases it, dont be to hopeful
[09:50] <krenx> Snake__: how do i eject the cd if i cant see it in storage media ?
[09:50] <krenx> :)
[09:50] <Snake__> krenx: its not in /media/ ???
[09:50] <krenx> yes
[09:50] <krenx> but cant eject it from there, its a map
[09:50] <Snake__> >.<
[09:50] <Snake__> krenx: you cant right click eject it eh... hmm
[09:50] <Snake__> krenx: I think theres a "eject" command
[09:51] <Snake__> krenx: "eject <device here>" ?
[09:52] <krenx> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[09:52] <krenx> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[09:52] <krenx> im in a middle of a installation and need to insert cd2
[09:52] <Snake__> krenx: crap >.<
[09:53] <XVampireX> Oh
[09:53] <Snake__> krenx: no ider
[09:53] <XVampireX> Isn't firefox = open source?
[09:53] <Snake__> XVampireX: yea how come?
[09:53] <troy> if you can open a console, type "losf /dev/hdc" replacing hdc with your cdrom drive if it's not hdc...
[09:53] <troy> that'll tell you what process has the cdrom locked
[09:53] <XVampireX> Weird
[09:54] <krenx> Snake__: doh, ill ask around
[09:54] <Snake__> XVampireX: the reason theres no packages is because ubuntu doesnt like to support beta software
[09:54] <troy> XVampireX: just means there isn't packages yet
[09:54] <XVampireX> Yup, noticed that
[09:54] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys. I'm trying to switch to kubuntu from suse, and am having install problems.  when I boot, even with the acpi off options I get a kernel panic.
[09:55] <KanRiNiN> it says to pass an init= option, but I can't find them
[09:55] <smok3_> q: a step-by-step guide on how to install kubuntu on my external usb drive (386 version that is)?
[09:55] <troy> XVampireX: if you look on ubuntuforums, there may be some user-submitted packages that'll work alright
[09:55] <troy> KanRiNiN: does the live-cd boot at all?
[09:56] <krenx> Snake__: is there any command to make the cdrom not busy?
[09:56] <krenx> =)
[09:56] <Snake__> krenx: sudo umount -f /media/cdrom0
[09:56] <Snake__> may work
[09:56] <KanRiNiN> don't know.  this is the stable 5.10 I believe.  I'm on dialup here, fixing it for my parents, and I dl'ed the iso when I was on broadband @ the university
[09:57] <KanRiNiN> is there a page that lists the boot options other than what's on the iso?
[09:57] <KanRiNiN> like the init options?
[09:57] <Snake__> krenx: did that do it?
[09:58] <KanRiNiN> lol ok
[09:58] <troy> hang on, gotta reload, updates just got installed :)
[09:59] <KanRiNiN> have there been problems with installing on P2's before?  it has 786 RAM, so I thought it'd install fine
[09:59] <krenx> Snake__: trying
[10:00] <krenx> nope:
[10:00] <krenx> umount2: Device or resource busy
[10:00] <krenx> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[10:00] <krenx> umount2: Device or resource busy
[10:00] <krenx> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[10:00] <Snake__> I have no idea then :(
[10:00] <troy> breezy boots so much faster *likes*
[10:00] <Snake__> troy: get dapper
[10:01] <Snake__> it blows breezy out of the water
[10:01] <Snake__> :)
[10:01] <troy> err, actually, I thought dapper, and typed breezy for some reason :/
[10:01] <Snake__> Hehe
[10:01] <krenx> kk
[10:04] <robotgeek> apokryphos: i kicked your bot out in #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:09] <MachineScrew> ok that worked
[10:12] <smok3_> q: a step-by-step guide on how to install kubuntu on my external usb drive (386 version that is)?
[10:13] <robotgeek> smok3_: there was something on the forums, and even on the wiki
[10:14] <smok3_> robotgeek: yeah, but it is unclear if this will support boot on multiple differenr systems or not
[10:14] <smok3_> i guess i need live version
[10:14] <eduardo> hello, i cannot update my beta 2 after installation
[10:15] <eduardo> do you know if there is something wrong with the default configuration of apt?
[10:15] <smok3_> bbl
[10:16] <MachineScrew> eduardo
[10:16] <MachineScrew> one sec
[10:16] <eduardo> the error message tells me to do apt-setup, but that command is not in my system
[10:16] <eduardo> ok
[10:16] <MachineScrew> run sudo debtags update
[10:16] <MachineScrew> in a terminal
[10:17] <eduardo> done
[10:17] <MachineScrew> not try it
[10:17] <Markus__> hello
[10:17] <eduardo> ok, i've only run the command you told me
[10:17] <MachineScrew> it will complain about ocet/mime types and no mime types installed ignore it
[10:18] <MachineScrew> now try apdet
[10:18] <MachineScrew> that what I ment
[10:18] <eduardo> i'll click on the icon in my tray
[10:19] <Markus__> i have just installed kubuntu and if i try to start the monitor freezes....do anyone of you know this problem?
[10:19] <rabe> hello, how can i make kubuntu not rembering the ancient session and restoring it on each startup? (i would prefer a new, fresh session)?
[10:19] <eduardo> ok, it worked, and i got the errors you talked about
[10:19] <MachineScrew> ya ignore them
[10:20] <MachineScrew> they have it reported in the bugreports but says it went away after the update
[10:20] <eduardo> thanks for your help
[10:20] <MachineScrew> np
[10:21] <MachineScrew> eduardo: don't forget to reboot after the update
[10:21] <robotgeek> rabe: you have that option in System Settings -> Users -> Session MAnager
[10:21] <eduardo> ok, how can i config the repositories in KDE?
[10:21] <eduardo> i don't want it to ask me the CD
[10:22] <n3storm> hi everyone
[10:22] <eduardo> hi
[10:22] <robotgeek> eduardo: just comment out the cdrom line /etc/apt/sources.list (this information is in Kubuntu Desktop Guide)
[10:22] <eduardo> thx again
[10:25] <MachineScrew> eduardo: adept -> Manage Repositories
[10:26] <MachineScrew> then right click on the line for the cdrom and disable it
[10:26] <MachineScrew> then right click on all the lines that begin with deb and enable them
[10:37] <reagleBRKLN> I want to hibernate my desktop, any pointers? `echo -n mem > /sys/power/state` will suspend, but can't then figure out how to wake it up. using breezy.
[10:42] <ninHer> hi all
[10:42] <Joselito_SOAD> Hello
[10:44] <domi> hi folks, does it farte ?
[10:53] <Kevin_Jim-> problem !
[10:53] <Kevin_Jim-> i clik at the intall icon then i follow every single one of the 7 steps and then nothing !
[10:55] <Kevin_Jim-> ...
[10:56] <krage> dos anyone know about a mobile that you easely can syncronise the calender to a kubuntu computer :P
[10:57] <viator> whattya mean Nothing ? did you reboot
[10:57] <viator> without the cd in to see of it worked?
[10:57] <viator> oh well
[11:05] <bsm> humm, no evtest for ubuntu?
[11:07] <bsm> hm, funny place in dvb-utils
[11:09] <cenobyte> i need help i cant see my harddrive in media;/
[11:09] <cenobyte> media:/
[11:10] <jack> me ,i have a problem with lirc
[11:12] <cenobyte> i would appreciate it if someone hlped me
[11:12] <cenobyte> helped*
[11:13] <cenobyte> i searched the forums and the wiki but had no luck
[11:14] <n3storm> cenobyte, try system:/
[11:15] <cenobyte> i did thne when i checked storage media there is nothing listed
[11:15] <cenobyte> when*
[11:15] <motodashi> what happens with df ?
[11:16] <cenobyte> any other ideas?
[11:16] <n3storm> let me check out myself cenobyte
[11:17] <cenobyte> ok
[11:17] <n3storm> cenobyte: sure your harddisk is not listed, mine either XD
[11:18] <cenobyte> its not i just did a fresh install of kubuntu and after doing the updates it is no longer listed
[11:18] <n3storm> you must look at "/"
[11:18] <n3storm> I think you couldn't see it before
[11:18] <cenobyte> but "/" isnt even listed
[11:19] <motodashi> type "konqueror /"
[11:19] <n3storm> so you write a / at your addressbar in konqueror and nothing appears?
[11:19] <n3storm> just that
[11:19] <n3storm> "/"
[11:19] <cenobyte> hold on let me try that
[11:20] <cenobyte> now it works but it still wont show up in media
[11:20] <cenobyte> with the harddrive icon
[11:20] <eduardo> !nvidia
[11:20] <ubotu> Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:21] <n3storm> cenobyte:  are you sure you can do that before?
[11:21] <n3storm> I think that is not a feature
[11:22] <n3storm> you can't see your harddisk at removable media
[11:22] <n3storm> anybody else can say ok to my thought, please?
[11:22] <motodashi> cenobyte: activate the media:/ protocol :)
[11:22] <cenobyte> on my last install i was able to see my harddisk in media:/
[11:22] <cenobyte> how do i activate the protocol
[11:23] <motodashi> in the settings from konqueror
[11:23] <motodashi> in "Apercus and Meta-informations"
[11:24] <motodashi> and in "Protocoles locaux"
[11:25] <n3storm> motodashi: you are getting it wrong, sorry
[11:25] <motodashi> well I don't know how it is in english
[11:25] <n3storm> motodashi: can you see your harddisk hda at media:/
[11:25] <motodashi> n3storm: yes :)
[11:25] <n3storm> you can see an icon named hda?
[11:26] <cenobyte> still cant see the hda icon
[11:27] <motodashi> n3strom: no I see the partitions sda1 etc
[11:27] <n3storm> aha
[11:27] <cenobyte> what does it mean in kinfocenter under partitions if it says defaults,errors=remount-ro
[11:27] <n3storm> I am using breezy and you?
[11:27] <cenobyte> for my primary harddisk