[00:19] <cprofitt> FYI -- the article I wrote is up -- http://www.thesmartbean.com/magazine/home-schooling/introducing-your-child-to-linux/
[00:24] <LaserJock> home schooling, eh?
[00:24] <LaserJock> I've wondered how much Edubuntu could contribute outside of say the US
[00:24] <cprofitt> LaserJock, yes... they focus on home schooling but are read by others as well.
[00:25] <cprofitt> I got zareason included
[00:27] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[00:27] <LaserJock> I don't really know them much but we had a few emails regarding installation of Edubuntu
[00:28] <LaserJock> they wanted a DVD too
[00:28] <LaserJock> cprofitt: is Linux popular for home schoolers?
[00:28] <cprofitt> LaserJock, not sure... but they approached me to do the article
[00:28] <cprofitt> so maybe
[00:29] <cprofitt> it is definitely a good fit at home
[00:29] <LaserJock> it would
[00:29] <LaserJock> although often times you're also using online coursework apps
[00:29] <LaserJock> which might be tough to use on a Linux machine
[00:31]  * LaserJock thinks back
[00:31] <LaserJock> waaaaay back in the day I did some online math courses
[00:31] <LaserJock> that's actually where I first learned about IRC
[00:32] <LaserJock> that'd be getting close to 15 years ago
[00:33]  * cprofitt nods
[00:34] <cprofitt> online course offerings are getting more Linux friendly
[00:34] <cprofitt> many schools use Moodle or Sakai
[00:35] <LaserJock> later we had this cool app with a whiteboard, chat, and voice
[00:35] <LaserJock> I remember it was the coolest ever on a dial-up modem
[00:36] <jbicha> LaserJock: almost 6 hours later, my PPA build completed, and the PPA worked fine, it pulled in postgreqsl and set it up before setting up moodle
[00:36] <LaserJock> but we had to squeeze everything we could out of our 28.8 to get it to work
[00:36] <LaserJock> jbicha: what about mysql?
[00:36] <LaserJock> jbicha: can you select mysql instead of postgresql?
[00:36] <cprofitt> I remember pre -28.8 dial-up
[00:37] <cprofitt> actually played one of the first MMOGs over a modem
[00:37] <jbicha> LaserJock: let me check to make sure
[00:38]  * LaserJock suddenly feels very old
[00:39] <cprofitt> LaserJock, older than 42?
[00:40] <LaserJock> I feel it anyway ;-)
[00:40] <cprofitt> this is the MMO I played -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_of_Yserbius
[00:40] <cprofitt> it was back in 1993
[00:41] <LaserJock> I guess it's part of being done with school
[00:41] <cprofitt> I got it right before they released Fates of Twinion
[00:41] <cprofitt> it is...
[00:41] <LaserJock> I was sort of in "school" mode for 11 years
[00:41] <cprofitt> one of the markers
[00:41] <cprofitt> then you hit another when you have children
[00:41] <LaserJock> and now that I'm doing "real life" I feel like I lost a decade :-)
[00:41] <cprofitt> did you get a Masters or ?
[00:41] <LaserJock> PhD
[00:42] <cprofitt> sounded like it when you said 11 years... what in?
[00:43] <LaserJock> Chemistry
[00:43] <cprofitt> I am debating going back for a Masters... working in a K-12 tends to increase the value of holding a Masters degree or higher
[00:43] <LaserJock> Physical Chemistry to be a bit more exact
[00:43] <cprofitt> its just hard to go back...
[00:43] <cprofitt> Nice...
[00:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[00:43] <LaserJock> that's some of why I just pushed through
[00:43] <cprofitt> Chemistry was interesting for me in HS
[00:43] <LaserJock> never even had a summer off in 11 years
[00:44] <cprofitt> Our teacher had a heart attack and the long term sub was a social studies teacher
[00:44] <LaserJock> uhhhh
[00:44] <LaserJock> poor sub
[00:44] <cprofitt> yeah...
[00:44] <cprofitt> it was amazing any of us passed our regents exams
[00:44] <jbicha> LaserJock: yes, if you use the command "sudo aptitude install moodle mysql-server php5-mysql" then it will automatically pull-in & setup mysql & not pgsql
[00:45] <jbicha> my patch is at bug 440098
[00:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[00:46] <LaserJock> I'm still uneasy about doing this in moodle
[00:46] <cprofitt> doing what in Moodle?
[00:47] <LaserJock> we're trying to make it easy to install
[00:47] <LaserJock> but the problem has always been the choice of database
[00:47] <LaserJock> Debian would like to keep flexibility, so they won't lock into either postgresql or mysql
[00:47] <jbicha> LaserJock: I don't have the pre-depends superstition, but the program won't run without a database
[00:48] <cprofitt> LaserJock, I can see the quandary
[00:48] <LaserJock> but it's been a couple year battle to get moodle to have a decent install
[00:48] <jbicha> LaserJock: if they don't want to be locked in, then they shouldn't preconfigure the database like the package is right now
[00:48] <LaserJock> they want to give the user an easy choice :-)
[00:48] <LaserJock> but yeah, it's not easy
[00:49] <LaserJock> jbicha: we need to check how this will effect upgrades
[00:49] <LaserJock> so for instance, what happens when a Jaunty user with mysql upgrades
[00:50] <LaserJock> if it was just Edubuntu's package I wouldn't have any problem
[00:50] <LaserJock> but I hate messing around with packages that are widely used
[00:53] <jbicha> LaserJock: if someone has an alternate database they can file a bug and we can add that to the pre-recommends pipe, as it was mysql or pgsql were recommended & thus 1 was installed by default anyway
[00:56] <jbicha> LaserJock: my mysql/moodle update was successful (there is a message not a warning that "There is already a database named moodle. Error - You must create your PostgreSQL database manually." but that message shows up on every upgrade)
[00:58] <LaserJock> jbicha: it didn't install postgresql?
[00:58] <jbicha> no
[00:59] <jbicha> LaserJock: yeah, there are a few things I don't like about the current moodle setup (like that message) that maybe I'll get to when Lucid devel starts up
[01:28] <LaserJock> dang, Valencia has a edu distro based on Ubuntu
[01:29] <LaserJock> those crazy Spaniards
[01:47] <jbicha> join #lliurex
[01:47] <jbicha> oops, that channel doesn't exist
[05:15] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:18] <alkisg> Hi sbalneav
[19:16] <jbicha> LaserJock: are you still pondering the pre-depends issue?
[19:25] <zzzzac1> Hey, I'm curios. Do the earlier versions have applications 9.04 does not?
[20:37] <kunnu531> Hi, I am new to this channel and I need some help
[20:37] <kunnu531> I have hardy 8.04 version
[20:37] <kunnu531> and when ever I log into KDE session I get an error client-error-bad-request CUPS server error
[20:38] <kunnu531>  And this doesn't happen in Gnome
[20:39] <kunnu531> any ideas or suggestions please
[20:46] <kunnu531> And this doesn't happen in Gnome
[21:46] <LaserJock> jbicha: yeah
[21:47] <LaserJock> kunnu531: you might try #kubuntu
[21:47] <LaserJock> kunnu531: or maybe #ltsp if you're using an LTSP server
[21:48]  * LaserJock is walking the dog and will be back in a bit
[22:31] <Dreamwalker> hi
[22:31] <Dreamwalker> I'm an ubuntu user ... but also a student
[22:32] <Dreamwalker> what is de difrence between ubuntu and edubuntu?
[22:33] <Dreamwalker> ??
[22:33] <Dreamwalker> anyone on?
[23:14] <sbalneav> Dreamwalker: Edubuntu = Ubuntu + Edu apps + LTSP
[23:26] <ties> can someone help me i cannot open exe files and idk how to conver them
[23:26] <ties> connert*
[23:26] <ties> convert* sorry
[23:27] <sbalneav> Run windows programs, you mean?
[23:28] <ties> yes
[23:28] <sbalneav> There's no "conversion" from exe to Linux.  You can try installing the program called "Wine" which is the windows emulator.
[23:29] <sbalneav> But many programs don't work correctly, or at all, under wine.
[23:29] <ties> were do i install wine
[23:29] <sbalneav> You can find it in the Synaptic Package Manager.
[23:30] <sbalneav> Under the System -> Administration menu.
[23:32] <ties> thank you very much... if this does not work is there a way to download windows xp for free?
[23:33] <sbalneav> As far as I know, it's a commercial program you have to buy to legally use.
[23:33] <sbalneav> I don't use it, and don't have it.
[23:34] <sbalneav> The last Microsoft operating system I used was Windows 98, so I'm a little out of touch on that subject.
[23:34] <ties> ok thank you my computer that had Xp got a virus and thanks to ubuntu i fixed it but all of my files are for xp
[23:35] <ties> were can i get ubuntu programs
[23:36] <sbalneav> The Synaptic Package Manager has thousands of programs available that you can legally download for free.
[23:36] <sbalneav> It's your first, best bet.
[23:37] <ties> ok i will use that then do u know if there is a Nintendo 64 emulator?
[23:42] <sbalneav> Search in Synaptic for "nintendo".  There's a bunch of hits for emulators.
[23:43] <ties_> ok thank you