[01:02] <dustyh> so I am new to ubuntu and looking for some help, am I in the right place?
[01:09] <dusty_> I am have a heck of a time getting jackd to work correctly
[01:19] <dusty_> ?
[01:35] <dusty_> i installed a few updates and restarted the computer and still no luck with jackd working
[02:01] <dusty_> anybody able to help me setup an input device?
[02:02] <p5gcmx> ASSIS
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[02:03] <`Fibz> my knowledge is limited to turning up the volume and boost for input devices in alsa and configuring inputs/outputs with qjackctl
[02:03] <p5gcmx> S
[02:03] <p5gcmx> S
[02:04] <holstein> dusty_: just ask
[02:05] <holstein> !proaudio > dusty_
[02:05] <`Fibz> the volume control is under Launcher Menu -> Media Playpack -> pule audio volume control. jack control is under Launcher menu -> audio production -> qjackctl
[02:05] <holstein> dusty_: i suggest trying with the internal audio device.. something that is well supported in linux, that works well
[02:05] <holstein> dusty_: use only it.. unplug any other USB or firewire audio devices
[02:05] <dusty_> i have no idea what to ask, it just does not work. I am sorry i try to start a session and it says
[02:06] <holstein> dusty_: no need to troubleshoot a new, potentially unsupported device *and* jack at the same time
[02:06] <dusty_> Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
[02:06] <holstein> dusty_: sure
[02:07] <holstein> dusty_: so, make sure you have no other audio devices plugged in
[02:07] <dusty_> the card works fine with pulse(output) I can not however get the input to register at all
[02:07] <`Fibz> in alsamixed is the inputs turned up?
[02:07] <dusty_> no just the onboard is all it is, mic in(front and rear) along with a line in
[02:07] <dusty_> yes they are all up to or past 100
[02:07] <`Fibz> if i remember the inputs are at 0% by default
[02:07] <`Fibz> k
[02:07] <holstein> dusty_: use *only* the internal audio device for this test, and make sure you have it selected.. its easy to use the dropdown menu in the qjackctl to try many of the outputs
[02:08] <holstein> dusty_: then, you can try "gksudo qjackctl" to troubleshoot permissions
[02:08] <holstein> dusty_: if jack starts as root, and not your normal user, you know its permissions related
[02:08] <holstein> dusty_: if its not working as root, then you have the configuration incorrect
[02:09] <dusty_> if i go through adour it seems to come on and work, but I can not get the input to work
[02:09] <holstein> dusty_: that can be the issue right there
[02:09] <dusty_> ?
[02:09] <holstein> dusty_: you start jack *before* opening ardour or anything else
[02:10] <holstein> dusty_: if you open ardour, it tries to start jack,t hen, you close ardour, and jack can be left running in the background and not work anymore
[02:10] <holstein> dusty_: i would use..
[02:10] <holstein> !proaudio
[02:10] <dusty_> well thats just it i tryed MANY times before anything else and when I click start every time I get that error so I try just going to adour and it worked
[02:10] <dusty_> proaudio?
[02:10] <holstein> after restarting, if you are unsure about how to check for JACK running
[02:10] <holstein> dusty_: the link  i linked you in PM from the bot
[02:11] <holstein> dusty_: there is no need to start ardour til you get jack running
[02:11] <holstein> dusty_: does jack start as root using "gksudo qjackctl" ?
[02:13] <dusty_> yes it does
[02:16] <holstein> dusty_: ok.. so, its permissions related with your user
[02:17] <holstein> dusty_: *or*, you are having issues with it running in the background
[02:17] <holstein> dusty_: you could be starting it, and not understanding that it needs to be stopped, or how to stop it, or that it has been started, and is still running
[02:17] <holstein> dusty_: i would try making sure your user is in the audio group, then, try and follow the wiki page i gave you for troubleshooting
[02:18] <dusty_> i think it is still running right now because i am now getting an error, d-bus: setparametervalue
[02:18] <dusty_> i am on that page now and going through the steps
[02:19] <dusty_> can someone please explain to me how to make sure that it is closed? is there a -kill command or something i can run?
[02:21] <holstein> dusty_: there are many kill commands
[02:21] <holstein> dusty_: theres "sudo killall jack".. theres "ps aux | grep jack" and look and kill the PID
[02:21] <holstein> dusty_: you can just reboot and *dont* start it
[02:22] <holstein> start it only with qjackctl after checking to see that your user is in the audio group
[02:22] <holstein> dusty_: did you check to see if you user is in the audio group?
[02:22] <dusty_> no im searching right now how to do it
[02:22] <holstein> sudo adduser "you" audio
[02:23] <holstein> replacing "you" with your username, without the quotation marks
[02:23] <holstein> it wont hurt anything to run that command and check
[02:23] <dusty_> it says im already a user of the group
[02:24] <holstein> dusty_: ok... if i were you, on your current level, i would reboot, and make sure you reference the link i gave, and start jack with qjackctl
[02:25] <holstein> dusty_: dont open *any* audio apps for any reason til jack is running
[02:25] <dusty_> will do thank you for the help
[02:25] <holstein> dusty_: try as normal user.. if that fails.. try as root.. gksudo qjackctl
[11:13] <Terrance1arrior> let pus put control and z next to each other on the key and let us assign those keys 'EXIT'.
[14:03] <holstein> TerranceWarrior: im not sure what you said before, if that was a support question or a design request.. please rephrase.. thanks
[21:15] <p9> ok


[06:30] <Keybuk> so if I netboot my laptop, once it's done, it already has all the packages I want installed and is ready for me to drop in my home directory
[06:30] <fabbione> Keybuk: that's more or less what i do :)
[06:30] <ivoks> Keybuk: hehe i did script that does that for me :)
[06:31] <Keybuk> keybuk-launchpad-devel is a scary package, it rewrites postgresql config and stuff :p
[06:31] <ivoks> installs new kernel, compiles openmosix tools, sets up ldap auth, etc :)
[06:36] <jbailey> The ppc64 live test that's wanted is just hte ppc image on a ppc64 box, yes?
[06:36] <jbailey> I don't see a separate ppc64 image.
[06:36] <mdz> i386/live, powerpc/live, amd64/live OK here
[06:36] <fabbione> jbailey: there should be a ppc64 kernel on it
[06:36] <mdz> jbailey: yes
[06:36] <mdz> jbailey: as fabbione says
[06:37] <Kamion> jbailey: boot with live-powerpc64
[06:37] <mdz> BenC also has ppc64 I believe; has anyone seen him?
[06:37] <jbailey> 'k, thanks.
[06:47] <ogra> janimo, you added ubuntu-express to your metapackage ??
[06:48] <Kamion> it's in ubuntu/live too
[06:48] <ogra> heh
[06:49] <ogra> feels a bit like overhead :)
[06:50] <mdz> Kamion: live CDs are OK here; ping me once there are install CDs to sync
[06:51] <Lenhador> Hi! I'm trying to install an "user script" on Greasemonkey/Firefox, on Hoary, but my Firefox break with "segmentation fault"... what's happen?
[06:51] <Lenhador> how I fix it?
[06:52] <janimo> ogra, I don't bu tI see it's there in both kubuntu/ubuntu
[06:52] <janimo> maybe it's a diffrenece that they are doen on the server?
[06:52] <janimo> I just run update locally
[06:52] <janimo> and d onot use germinate
[06:52] <janimo> ogra, I thought ubuntu-express was postponed so I am suprised to see it there
[06:52] <ogra> yes, and the package you have in there is pretty useless... more a proof of concept than a program
[06:53] <ogra> janimo, nice that you pulled xscreensaver in, make sure it gets started in xfsession ... in a sidenote, i tried xubuntu on edubuntu yesterday, its really slick :)
[06:55] <Kamion> janimo: did you adjust the seed URL in update to point to your modified seeds?
[06:55] <Kamion> look for http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/
[06:58] <pitti> why do we disable power management now by default?
[07:00] <mdz> pitti: why do we what?
[07:01] <pitti> mdz: I just dist-upgraded, and the new acpi-support disabled power management
[07:01] <ogra> mdz, laptop mode disabled ?
[07:01] <mdz> pitti: what do you mean by 'power management' in this context?
[07:01] <pitti> mdz: well, the package just said so
[07:01] <pitti>  * Disabling power management.
[07:01] <pitti> I'm sure it is intended, I'm just curious about the reason
[07:02] <elvirolo> hi all
[07:02] <ogra> mdz, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6108
[07:02] <ogra> pitti, ^^^
[07:02] <mdz> ogra: I am familiar with that bug, yes
[07:02] <ogra> thats what was talked about before today in this channel
[07:02] <mdz> pitti: at what point does it print that message?
[07:02] <pitti> ah, thanks
[07:03] <pitti> mdz: after package installation (postinst, I assume)
[07:03] <pitti> oh, no, preinst
[07:03] <mdz> pitti: that is the message from the 'stop' action of the init script
[07:03] <infinity> pitti : Just edit /etc/default/acpi-support and enable laptop-mode, if you know it works for you.
[07:03] <mdz> nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode
[07:03] <infinity> It breaks for too many people to have it on by default.
[07:03] <ogra> mdz,
[07:03] <ogra>    * Add some extra machines to the whitelists
 nothing to do with 6108 or laptop-mode
[07:03] <ogra>    * Depend on powermgmt-base
[07:03] <ogra>    * Disable restarting irda services by default
[07:03] <ogra>    * Disable laptop-mode by default
[07:03] <mdz> ogra: that has nothing to do with pitti's question or the message he saw
[07:03] <elvirolo> does anyone know whether the spca5xx bug has been fixed in the last update or not ?
[07:03] <mdz> ogra: trust me, I do read breezy-changes
[07:04] <infinity> Oh, and yes, that message just meant it was stopping/staring on upgrade, I assume.
[07:04] <ogra> mdz, ah, sorry
[07:04] <pitti> infinity: yes, it did not start again
[07:04] <infinity> Neat.
[07:04] <pitti> infinity: so that's the new intended default; fine
[07:04] <mdz> pitti: errr
[07:04] <pitti> I really was just curious
[07:04] <mdz> pitti: no, you should get 'checking battery state' in postinst
[07:04] <elvirolo> ideas anyone ?
[07:04] <pitti> sorry if I caused confusion
[07:04] <Kamion> elvirolo: no
[07:04] <mdz> pitti: I do
[07:04] <mdz> Setting up acpi-support (0.46) ...
[07:04] <mdz> Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/power.sh ...
[07:04] <mdz> Installing new version of config file /etc/acpi/resume.sh ...
[07:04] <mdz> Installing new version of config file /etc/default/acpi-support ...
[07:04] <mdz>  * Checking battery state...                                             [ ok ]
[07:04] <pitti> me too
[07:04] <mdz> pitti: the start/stop messages are quite confusing
[07:05] <pitti> ok
[07:05] <mdz> since they don't correspond to each other
[07:05] <janimo> Kamion, I adjusted the seed url to http://localhost/seeds as I have the branch only locally
[07:05] <infinity> pitti : Right, that's the (rather unintuitive) output from acpi-support starting.
[07:05] <elvirolo> Kamion: you don't know or you do know it hasn't been fixed ?
[07:05] <mdz> elvirolo: the kernel has been frozen for a week now
[07:05] <Kamion> elvirolo: no, it has not been fixed, and in any case the place for tracking bugs is bugzilla, not polling a development channel
[07:05] <mdz> elvirolo: it has not and cannot be fixed for 5.10
[07:05] <elvirolo> OMG, this is an *absolutely critical* bug
[07:05] <mdz> I don't agree
[07:06] <pitti> elvirolo: it's not; it just affects a particular piece of hardware
[07:06] <elvirolo> the complete system *freezes* whenever one tries to access his/her webcam, even sysreq keys don't work
[07:06] <elvirolo> it would be better to have *no* support for these webcams rather than a system freeze!
[07:06] <Keybuk> it's not clear that this affects everyone
[07:07] <fabbione> elvirolo: it's absolutelu not critical
[07:07] <segfault> I've just finished an installation of x86 20051012 release in pt_BR, everything worked like a charm.
[07:07] <Keybuk> those it does affect have a simple fix, they can blacklist the module
[07:07] <elvirolo> and there's aslo the hp printers' bug
[07:07] <janimo> ogra, yeah xfce is slick but in the current state while better then what we had in hoary there are still rough edges.Many :(
[07:07] <segfault> besides that segond stage typo
[07:07] <Kamion> segfault: good, thanks
[07:07] <pitti> k, gotta leave for a while
[07:07] <Kamion> segfault: if you could note that on BreezyTestPlan, that'd be good
[07:07] <pitti> cu later
[07:07] <elvirolo> many people use hp printers, and many comments have been sent in the bugzilla, but nodoby seems to care
[07:07] <mdz> elvirolo: see /topic
[07:07] <ogra> janimo, yes, but its great as a lightweight desktop, i have many requests for this in edubuntu
[07:08] <elvirolo> ok sorry
[07:08] <Keybuk> elvirolo: there are always bugs in releases
[07:08] <mdz> elvirolo: I use an HP printer myself, and it works quite nicely
[07:08] <Kamion> janimo: ok, well that should work
[07:08] <ogra> janimo, note that we dont support sound yet in ltsp :)
[07:08] <segfault> and some wrong strings inherited after the latest langpack release, there's others relating same stuff in ubuntu-translators
[07:08] <elvirolo> Keybuk: yes but these have been reported AGES ago
[07:08] <Kamion> janimo: are you saying that the stuff filled in by update doesn't correspond to your seeds
[07:08] <Kamion> elvirolo: I have open bugs since before warty
[07:08] <Kamion> janimo: ?
[07:08] <elvirolo> well that's very bad
[07:08] <Keybuk> elvirolo: we don't aim to fix every reported bug within the 6-months; sometimes it takes more than one release to do it
[07:09] <Kamion> elvirolo: no, it's not
[07:09] <Keybuk> that's one of the advantages of a 6-monthly release process, if a bug misses a release it's not that long to the next one
[07:09] <Kamion> elvirolo: don't presume to tell me how I'm performing without having checked what the bugs in question *are*
[07:09] <elvirolo> well, my printer doesn't work, one of my friends' printer doesn't work ... what am I to say ? I can't use Ubuntu anymore!
[07:09] <Kamion> they're either less-important or hard
[07:09] <elvirolo> and she doesn't want to use free software anymore
[07:10] <fabbione> elvirolo: do you have patches for this bugs?
[07:10] <elvirolo> i don't mean to be blaming you, i know you're doing a great job
[07:10] <janimo> Kamion, sorry was away
[07:11] <elvirolo> i'm just telling that some things are wrong and are a drawback for ubuntu
[07:11] <Keybuk> there will always be bugs
[07:11] <Kamion> yes, we sadly do not have the resources to fix everything
[07:11] <mdz> elvirolo: we're working on putting the release together right now; please take this conversation elsewhere or wait until after the release
[07:11] <mdz> we need to keep this channel clear
[07:11] <zyga> elvirolo: look at the problem like this
[07:11] <mdz> all of you, please
[07:11] <mdz> this is not on-topic right now
[07:11] <elvirolo> mdz: ok, i'm sorry
[07:11] <zyga> elvirolo: if there is anyone who can fix this, please - step up
[07:11] <mdz> I'm happy to discuss it, just not in the middle of release prep
[07:11] <elvirolo> yeah i understand
[07:12] <janimo> Kamion, no it corresponds to what I have in the  local baz branch of the breezy seed list (I hope)
[07:12] <zyga> elvirolo: if not - then releasing another version is good anyway, it fixes lots of other bugs and brings new features
[07:12] <elvirolo> it's not the right time
[07:12] <Kamion> janimo: ok, great. sorry I haven't got back to you yet, it's just a nightmare week
[07:12] <janimo> Kamion, np
[07:12] <Kamion> you seem to be keeping up by yourself for the moment :-)
[07:12] <janimo> yes, but I guess I am too late in the game for breezy :(
[07:13] <Kamion> janimo: your universe change will go in
[07:13] <ogra> janimo, what i saw yesterday was really ok...
[07:13] <dieman> so with this reboot requried information in the info applet, is there any way to glean this information from scripts? (ie: some sort of reboot advised flag?)
[07:13] <Kamion> janimo: we can see what's doable w.r.t. CD builds later
[07:13] <Kamion> janimo: note that cdimage is maxed out on the number of derivatives I can support on it, but I'm happy to help you set up CD builds elsewhere later on
[07:14] <janimo> Kamion, thanks, but the packages are not in the polished state I'd like either
[07:14] <fabbione> janimo: it's still a very good start for dapper..
[07:14] <janimo> ogra, I was planning integration with a volume manager, display mgr etc
[07:14] <janimo> fabbione, thanks
[07:15] <ogra> janimo, yes, but its a goot first timer to build on...
[07:15] <fabbione> janimo: so don't be too upset.. you have time to fix stuff around
[07:15] <ogra> *good
[07:15] <janimo> these two past weeks I was working all day but it's too much new stuff for me I guess
[07:16] <ogra> janimo, edubuntu has probably 70% of the stuff i wanted in... it will get released and attract people to help improve it in dapper... to get more helpinghands, you muist have something to present ;)
[07:16] <Kamion> mdz: install CDs published; I'll work through the other jobs as time progresses this evening
[07:17] <dieman> n/m figured out whats there
[07:17] <mdz> Kamion: shortest job first, please
[07:17] <janimo> ogra, yes I guess :)
[07:17] <mdz> Kamion: perhaps for dapper we can work out a sane way to do parallel CD builds
[07:18] <mdz> the build cycle has become incredibly long
[07:18] <Kamion> it ought to be doable, it's just a matter of making sure nothing overlaps
[07:18] <fabbione> or spread it across more machines
[07:18] <infinity> Is there a reason we can't do CD builds from the buildds like we do with livefs builds?
[07:19] <Kamion> infinity: LP will do it that way, AFAIK; rejigging it to happen before that is WAB
[07:19] <infinity> (other than debian-cd currently still requiring a local on-disk mirror, afaik?)
[07:19] <infinity> Kamion : Ahh.  Right.
[07:19] <Kamion> infinity: if you're sane, you have an on-disk mirror regardless of whether you're using debian-cd or not
[07:19] <fabbione> well inside the DC local or not, the access is fast enough not to show much difference imho
[07:20] <Kamion> CD building is already reasonably careful to use different paths for different projects; install and live builds currently overlap
[07:20] <infinity> Sure, but having an on-disk ftproot on every buildd is a lot of rsync traffic all over, and a lot of extra disk space required.
[07:20] <Kamion> fabbione: it's not happening pre-LP, no way
[07:20] <infinity> Anyhow, off-topic, carry on with your releasing.
[07:20] <Kamion> fabbione: I think we did the sums and found out it would add an appreciable amount of time (20 minutes or so) to every CD build even at max bandwidth
[07:20] <Kamion> but, later
[07:20] <infinity> I need to get some sleep.  I'll have another test cycle in the morning, I assume.
[07:21] <fabbione> infinity: good night
[07:21] <dholbach> re
[07:21] <dholbach> night infinity
[07:21] <jbailey> The ppc64 livecd works better than my current install, apparently. =)
[07:21] <mvo> night infinity
[07:21] <infinity> Kamion : 20 mins added to each CD build when they're all done in parallel seems a win.
[07:21] <fabbione> Kamion: yes, that's right, but losing 20 minutes.. as infinity said..
[07:21] <Kamion> infinity: doing them all in parallel without the extra 20 minutes seems like a bigger win
[07:21] <infinity> True dat. :)
[07:22] <jbailey> The only things off were that the keyboard map it detected was wrong jp102 instead of US, so it had the @ in the wrong place, and the CD didn't eject at the end
[07:22] <jbailey> Aside from that, it has sound from a kernel that I thought had no sound driver for it. =)
[07:22] <fabbione> jbailey: eheheh
[07:22] <Kamion> mdz: so basically, I can probably make it use a per-project lock easily enough, so that you can do ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/ubuntu-server builds in parallel; since it's all I/O bound, that should be a nice speedup
[07:23] <mdz> Kamion: multiple CD build machines might be useful too
[07:24] <mdz> Kamion: though we'd need to consider how to ensure archive consistency
[07:24] <mdz> Kamion: what was the ia32-libs problem while I was away?
[07:26] <Kamion> mdz: libdb4.2 was missing, which openoffice.org2 needed to start the help browser
[07:26] <doko> mdz: missing libdb4.2
[07:26] <janimo> Kamion: you wrote earlier but just saw now "janimo: your universe change will go in". You mean xubuntu-related changes in uni after todays release?
[07:26] <mdz> doko: I could see that much from the changelog :-P
[07:26] <Kamion> janimo: not after the release, no
[07:26] <janimo> ok
[07:26] <Kamion> janimo: I meant the xubuntu-meta upload you made today
[07:27] <janimo> I see
[07:27] <Kamion> (openoffice.org2-core Depends: libdb4.2)
[07:27] <Kamion> we should have an automated way to check this, if multiarch is still some way off
[07:27] <mdz> yes
[07:28] <mdz> of course, this is really just fallout from bringing back oo.o2-help at the last minute
[07:28] <Kamion> right
[07:28] <mdz> which we won't (need to) do again
[07:28] <Kamion> yeah, but I wouldn't like to bet money on oo.o2's dependencies never changing again
[07:29] <janimo> ogra, btw xscreensaver was already in upstream xfce-session so change needed :) .Just need to start with startxfce4 instead of startx
[07:29] <ogra> janimo, yup...
[07:29] <janimo> so _no_ change needed
[07:30] <doko> mdz, Kamion: native builds look better for 2.0, maybe it's worth to evaluate these for dapper
[07:30] <ogra> as long as it runs and you can click the lock icon its fine :)
[07:30] <mdz> doko: definitely
[07:30] <Kamion> doko: oh god yes
[07:30] <janimo> how long till universe closes?
[07:30] <Kamion> janimo: answering that encourages people to race the deadline
[07:31] <janimo> :)
[07:31] <Kamion> finish off, assume it's closing RSN
[07:31] <sistpoty> Kamion: will morgues be possible after the deadline?
[07:31] <ogra> janimo, i'd guess during the day tomorrow ... based on hoary experience
[07:31] <Kamion> sistpoty: after the deadline, breezy will become untouchable, so no
[07:31] <sistpoty> k, thx
[07:31] <ogra> but breezy isnt hoary, so who knows :)
[07:31] <Kamion> and it's "removals", sheesh. "morgue" is a noun :P
[07:32] <sistpoty> sorry, no native speaker ;)
[07:32] <mjg59> elmo: Do you know what time jdub left?
[07:32] <doko> elmo: is there still to remove zope(2.6) from breezy?
[07:32] <elmo> mjg59: dunno, if he has - I think he detoured via sabdfl's
[07:33] <mjg59> Crap. Do you have a phone number for him?
[07:36] <Kamion> Riddell: final-candidate kubuntu daily-live build published
[07:37] <Riddell> Kamion: what's the difference?
[07:38] <Kamion> Riddell: updated acpi-support, ia32-libs
[07:38] <Kamion> Riddell: fixed memtest boot option on CDs
[07:39] <Riddell> Kamion: is there a new install CD coming?
[07:39] <fabbione> it's already out
[07:39] <Kamion> fabbione: no
[07:39] <fabbione> oh sorry
[07:39] <fabbione> Kubuntu
[07:39] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, it's been building for the last few minutes
[07:39] <fabbione> never mind
[07:40] <Riddell> Kamion: ok.  and DVDs coming today?
[07:40] <Kamion> Riddell: later, but yes
[07:40] <Kamion> (don't know exactly how much later yet, before you ask ... I expect it to be a long night)
[07:40] <Riddell> ok :)
[07:41] <dieman> dieman@runabout:~$ ./machine-needs-reboot
[07:41] <dieman> 1
[07:41] <dieman> ok, that was simple enough
[07:50] <Kamion> Riddell: oh bugger, I forgot to rebuild the live filesystems :-(
[07:51] <Kamion> Riddell: don't spend too much time on that, I'll do another build later
[07:51] <Riddell> Kamion: ok
[07:51] <Kamion> sorry about that, entirely my fault; kubuntu live filesystem builds running now
[07:52] <zyga> Kamion: to build that faster you can use another boxes on your lan
[07:53] <Kamion> zyga: I have no particular interest in keeping multiple cdimage build machines perfectly in sync pre-LP
[07:53] <zyga> Kamion: all you need is one process running on all those LAN boxes
[07:53] <zyga> Kamion: create_compressed_fs -l
[07:54] <Kamion> zyga: I do not control the buildds that do this
[07:54] <Kamion> I just trigger them remotely
[07:54] <zyga> ah
[07:54] <Kamion> zyga: and it's going to be about the live filesystem build time before cdimage is free to do the actual CD build anyway; there's no need to optimise stuff that is not on the critical path
[07:55] <zyga> building DVDs without this is a real pain unless you've got 8Gs of ram
[07:57] <mvo> Kamion: but the install/20051012.2 is fine (I'm testing it now)?
[07:58] <mdz> i386, powerpc and amd64 installs all in progress here
[07:58] <Kamion> mvo: yes, that's candidate
[08:04] <Keybuk> 20051012.2 downloading ...
[08:04] <fabbione> i386 install in phase 1, burning live i386
[08:05] <fabbione> given no uploads netinstall is still good
[08:07] <mdz> please update BreezyTestPlan for the latest  build when you test
[08:10] <fabbione> Riddell: ping?
[08:12] <slomo> elmo: please sync gpass from debian/unstable :)
[08:13] <Riddell> fabbione: hi
[08:14] <fabbione> Riddell: it looks like that "login manager" in Kubuntu control panel doesn't work. it asks to push the Administration mode button, you click, you get prompted for a password (the right passewd) and it resets the control like if you have done nothing. You can't change the settings
[08:15] <fabbione> Riddell: there might more in that status, that was the most obvious one
[08:16] <Riddell> fabbione: that's a known problem with stikes randomly and malitiously, it's been in KDE for years but seems to happen more often when using sudo
[08:16] <mvo> mdz: update BreezyTestPlan in what way? clean from the results of older images?
[08:17] <fabbione> Riddell: it was working before the upgrade from 3.4.2 to 3.4.3
[08:17] <mdz> mvo: replace the old entries with your new tests, or add it if there was no previous test in that cell
[08:17] <Riddell> fabbione: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/8681
[08:18] <mdz> mvo: my amd64/cd/erase install gets a PASS
[08:18] <mdz> i386 and powerpc are in stage 2
[08:18] <mvo> mdz: i386/custom partition gets a PASS here too, doing server-install now and burning cds for amd64
[08:21] <mdz> i386/custom PASS
[08:22] <mdz> Riddell: any luck with kubuntu install CDs?
[08:24] <mdz> Kamion: there doesn't appear to be any build in progress on little
[08:25] <mdz> running an ubuntu dvd build then
[08:27] <fabbione> i386/erase/standard is go
[08:28] <mvo> mdz: i386/server/custom is fine here
[08:28] <fabbione> mvo: ok i am updating the page
[08:28] <mdz> fabbione: while you're there, my powerpc/erase install is PASS
[08:29] <mdz> since it takes 4 hours to save the page each time we should batch the updates ;-)
[08:29] <fabbione> sure no problem :)
[08:29] <fabbione> ps i am also cleaning up the old tests
[08:29] <fabbione> the new live is .3 right?
[08:30] <mvo> fabbione: thanks, I clicked on "save" a moment before you wrote it :)
[08:30] <seb128> fabbione: don't clean them, let people update them rather
[08:30] <mdz> Diziet: have you tested the current build yet?
[08:30] <mdz> fabbione: seb128++, keep the old tests in case we aren't able to repeat them at least we have the old data
[08:30] <seb128> fabbione: other way you trash the issue before knowing if the new builds fix them for people who had them
[08:31] <fabbione> seb128: if we don't clean, it gets extremely messy to undestand who did test waht
[08:31] <fabbione> seb128: the new builds have only 2 bug fixes.. Release Candidate -> //
[08:31] <\sh> ok...now for the laptop testing and breezy testing
[08:31] <fabbione> and the ia32-libs
[08:31] <seb128> still, they don't hurt
[08:32] <fabbione> seb128: ok i cancelled my edits
[08:32] <seb128> thanks
[08:32] <fabbione> seb128: please add i386/CD/erase .2 is ok
[08:32] <fabbione> seb128: add also what mvo and mdz did
[08:32] <fabbione> seb128: + i386/livecd is go
[08:32] <seb128> k
[08:33] <fabbione> seb128: winfoss from .3 livecd i386 is go
[08:33] <seb128> you could as well update the wiki instead of listing here, that takes the same time
[08:33] <seb128> and that would not dup work
[08:33] <mvo> heh, the problem with the wiki is that it's so painfully slow in saving
[08:33] <seb128> and you would be sure there is not a com issue
[08:34] <seb128> anyway, updating
[08:34] <seb128> seems you are not happy to keep previous linue :)
[08:34] <fabbione> the page is too messy.. that's why i was cleaning it
[08:34] <seb128> mvo: yeah
[08:35] <mvo> how importend is the "ubuntu-server" image?
[08:35] <seb128> fabbione: easy, let's do a new table for the new set
[08:36] <mdz> seb128: good plan
[08:38] <\sh> elmo: please sync clisp 2.35-2 from debian unstable, thx
[08:38] <Riddell> mdz: all the kubuntu CDs are working but there's a new install build just done that I'm rsyncing and new live on its way
[08:42] <mdz> Riddell: live is waiting on new livefs builds, no?
[08:43] <Riddell> mdz: yes, I believe so
[08:43] <mdz> there was nothing building on little, so I did an ubuntu dvd build
[08:43] <mdz> once that's finished, kubuntu live should be ready to build
[08:43] <sistpoty> Riddell: after today's update, kmail lacks of opengpg... says s.th. about gpgme being compiled w.o. opengpg support. my fault or a bug?
[08:43] <Kamion> mdz: sigh, the command I typed into shell history was ignored when control returned to the shell
[08:44] <Riddell> sistpoty: a bug
[08:44] <Kamion> I'm keeping a list of what's done, I'll take it from here
[08:44] <sistpoty> Riddell: already known or should i file one
[08:44] <Riddell> sistpoty: known, I don't think a bug has been filed though
[08:45] <\sh> ok..step 1 in installation went without problems
[08:45] <sistpoty> Riddell: as in "go ahead file a bug report" or "don't mind, this is being cared for"
[08:45] <sistpoty> ;)
[08:45] <seb128> wiki updated, I'm away a few min for dinner
[08:45] <Riddell> sistpoty: go ahead please
[08:45] <sistpoty> Riddell: will do, thx
[08:45] <mvo> seb128: bon appetite
[08:46] <Kamion> mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date
[08:49] <jkrogh> About #17636 .. where can I find older Breezy kernel-packages to test with, so I can find the last "usable" kernel?
[08:50] <dholbach> jkrogh: you ask that for the 3rd time now, it's not the appropriate place, try in #ubuntu
[08:51] <jkrogh> Ok, I just thought it was a development issue that the current kernel wont boot on the hardware, that's why I ask here.
[08:52] <sistpoty> Riddell: one last question to gpgme-bug, what package? libgpgme11?
[08:57] <mdz> who tested a server install with 20051012.2?
[08:58] <mdz> it has my name in the table, but I didn't test that case
[08:58] <mdz> ah, mvo
[08:59] <mvo> mdz: yes, that was me
[08:59] <mdz> fixed
[08:59] <mvo> mdz: are you editing right now? live/i386 is fine here too
[08:59] <mdz> jbailey: what was the result of your ppc64 test?
[08:59] <mdz> mvo: just saved
[08:59] <mvo> mdz: ok, I'm editing now
[09:00] <fabbione> i386/liveCD/good on 2nd machine
[09:00] <mdz> mvo: I think I got the lock
[09:00] <mdz> mvo: added your test
[09:00] <mdz> gah, you stole the lock
[09:01] <jbailey> mdz: Work.  Keyboard misdetection in the installer (filed as a bug), and the CD didn't eject at the end of the live test.
[09:01] <mvo> mdz: sorry, I'll keep my fingers off it now
[09:01] <jbailey> I'm just rsync'ing up new images.
[09:01] <mdz> jbailey: how long did you wait for the eject?  sometimes it takes a long time on powerpc for some reason
[09:01] <mdz> jbailey: oh, you were testing the old build?
[09:02] <mdz> jbailey: when you test the new build, update BreezyTestPlan please
[09:02] <jbailey> Right, it was from my nightly last night 20051012
[09:02] <jbailey> I just saw that BreezyTestPlan has a new table. =)
[09:03] <Riddell> sistpoty: kontact
[09:03] <Riddell> or kmail
[09:03] <sistpoty> Riddell: thx... will do
[09:03] <Riddell> thanks
[09:05] <ogra> mdz, if you have some spare ressources free, i think a edubuntu build is needed too for acpi-support changes...
[09:06] <ogra> otherwise the current iso is fine...
[09:07] <sistpoty> Riddell: FYI, i just found out that 17546 is already adressing this ;)
[09:08] <\sh> hmmm...
[09:11] <mdz> ogra: Kamion is driving the builds
[09:11] <mdz> ogra: <Kamion> mdz: I'll do edubuntu daily next, since that's more out of date
[09:11] <ogra> mdz, ok...
[09:12] <ogra> ah, fine...
[09:12] <ogra> i dont expect any regression though
[09:14] <mdz> ubuntu dvds are almost ready
[09:14] <mdz> ogra: we are not testing for expected regressions, only for unexpected ones :-)
[09:14] <ogra> hehe
[09:15] <ogra> mdz, if you catch them all in ubuntu and i know all my edubuntu specific issues, whats left  ?
[09:15] <mdz> ogra: installation and live CD testing
[09:15] <Kamion> random weird shit
[09:15] <fabbione> ogra: moon rays hitting little while building CD
[09:15] <ogra> i just wanted to say no need to put me on high priority with edubuntu :)
[09:16] <Kamion> we rather hope nothing will go wrong with any of these builds
[09:16] <mdz> edubuntu needs to be tested in order to release on time
[09:16] <ogra> yes, but i cant chage contents, so worst case i'll have a new build if its littles fault
[09:16] <Kamion> ogra: still needs to happen sooner rather than later
[09:16] <ogra> mdz, sure thats what i'm doing over here... beside fixing merged wikipages
[09:17] <apokryphos> a lot of people have been asking if there's an exact time of breezy release so they can organise/arrange events accordingly; is there one?
[09:17] <mdz> apokryphos: no, there isn't
[09:17] <apokryphos> ok thanks
[09:18] <mdz> apokryphos: we could set one late in the day, but I prefer to release as soon as we're satisfied with it, rather than hold it until a scheduled release time
[09:18] <apokryphos> definitely; keep them on their toes 8)
[09:21] <mdz> DVD candidates mirroring now
[09:21] <mdz> Kamion: little is all yours
[09:22] <Kamion> ok, let me queue up a batch of stuff
[09:23] <Kamion> cdimage@little:~$ for-project edubuntu cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.daily-live; for-project ubuntu-server cron.daily; for-project kubuntu cron.dvd; for-project edubuntu cron.dvd
[09:23] <Kamion> that should keep her busy for a while
[09:24] <Kamion> after that it's just non-release stuff like ports and livecd-base left from the crontab
[09:34] <mdz> ubuntu DVDs are up; get 'em while they're hot
[09:34] <mdz> latest candidate 20051012
[09:35] <Lathiat> i would if it wouldnt eat half my months quota :\
[09:35] <LaserJock> elmo, I would like to request a sync of dvi2ps and wterm from Debian (allowed by \sh)
[09:38] <\sh> lamont__ / infinity: could you take a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/clisp/1:2.35-2/clisp_1:2.35-2_20051012-2010-i386-failed.gz and tell me, why this is not happening in my pbuilder?
[09:39] <\sh> this message "Add -falign-functions=4 to CFLAGS in the Makefile." I never saw in my pbuilder...:(
[09:39] <mvo> doko: amd64 is fine, OO.o help works too now, good work!
[09:41] <mvo> dholbach: please add me to amd64-live (I see you have the lock)
[09:44] <dholbach> Kamion: memtest works nicely :)
[09:45] <seb128> mvo: first line i386 for me
[09:45] <seb128> ups
[09:45] <seb128> dholbach:
[09:45] <dholbach> i didnt have the lock any more
[09:45] <dholbach> but i can type for all of you guys, no problem :)
[09:45] <smurf> the DVD .torrent for ppc isn't registered correctly with its tracker, and apparently nobody is seeding the bittorrent files yet ?
[09:46] <dholbach> smurf: i guess it will be done for the announce, right?
[09:46] <mvo> dholbach: thanks, amd64-live pass for me then :)
[09:47] <fabamd64live> yadadada
[09:47] <fabamd64live> can somebody update the wiki please?
[09:47] <dholbach> mvirkkil: dude, i added that already
[09:47] <fabamd64live> i need to do winfoss test on amd64
[09:47] <dholbach> hahaha :)
[09:47] <fabamd64live> amd64/live/go
[09:47] <smurf> dholbach: it might make sense to seed them before the announcement, but then I can easily pull the files directly, and do it myself ;-)
[09:48] <fabamd64live> dholbach: are you going to add it to the wiki please?
[09:48] <dholbach> yes
[09:48] <fabamd64live> thanks
[09:49] <fabamd64live> dholbach, add also the hostname ;)
[09:49] <dholbach> no :)
[09:49] <fabamd64live> ahah
[09:49] <fabamd64live> later
[09:51] <Kamion> smurf: need to ping an admin (elmo/Znarl) about that; last I checked it wasn't done automatically
[09:51] <Kamion> we'll do it once everything's built
[09:52] <elmo> Kamion: torrent should just work when you trigger it
[09:52] <elmo> that's the theory anyway, but the torrent software is complete crack
[09:53] <Kamion> oh, a while back you said it was disabled?
[09:53] <fabbione> hmmm
[09:53] <smurf> elmo: seems to be working -- the ppc DVD torrent now registered OK
[09:53] <elmo> Kamion: nah, re-enabled now
[09:53] <Kamion> hmm, Colony 5 doesn't need to be torrented any more!
[09:54] <elmo> Kamion: znarl spent a couple of days beating it into shape
[09:54] <Kamion> ah, cool, thanks
[09:54] <fabbione> dholbach: winfoss amd64 is go
[09:54] <Kamion> god, torrent.u.c is just enormously huge
[09:54] <Kamion> plz write smaller software kthxbye
[09:55] <Kamion> we might want to consider stopping torrenting the daily builds
[09:55] <Kamion> I doubt they get very much seeding
[09:55] <Kamion> can we get statistics on that?
[09:56] <ajmitch> morning all
[09:56] <dholbach> hey andrew
[09:57] <ajmitch> how's progress on going? scrollback is lookcing promising :)
[09:57] <Kamion> the bi-weekly DVDs make marginally more sense to torrent
[09:57] <bddebian> elmo: Thanks for the syncs!  Did atlas-cpp come through as NEW?
[09:57] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:00] <dholbach> wow... french keyboards are really crackful, i'll never install a french server again :-p
[10:00] <bddebian> heh
[10:04] <elvirolo> hey what's wrong with French keyboards :-D ?  !
[10:04] <dholbach> elvirolo: the keys are all mixed up :)
[10:05] <elvirolo> dholbach: ah... well ... yeah :-D
[10:05] <dredg> hah. german keyboards are just plain weird to use
[10:05] <dredg> really and truly bizarre things
[10:05] <dholbach> not really
[10:05] <ogra> nah...
[10:06] <ogra> if all the world would use them, we'd never have keymap problems again :)
[10:06] <ogra> and you could type , thats a big advamtage :p
[10:06] <dredg> using your logic, we should all be using my new and improved alphabet :)
[10:06] <ogra> s/m/n
[10:06] <dholbach> dredg: do you type from right to left?
[10:06] <ogra> dredg, publish it, we might condsider *g*
[10:07] <dredg> dholbach: no. there's not much difference between an irish keyboard and a uk one
[10:07] <dredg> i think the euro symbol is the sum total of the differences
[10:07] <ajmitch> heh
[10:08] <dredg> only if you spill things on it and forget to clean it :)
[10:08] <ogra> bah, i shouldnt chat with such a lack of sleep
[10:08] <ogra> lol
[10:08] <ogra> dredg, that can get very hairy...
[10:09] <dredg> speaking of irish, i must prod my girlfriend to do some translation
[10:09] <dredg> ogra: indeed :)
[10:15] <StR> Hi all
[10:15] <StR> How can I have php4 and php5 working on the same instalation?
[10:20] <\sh> I need at least one of the two buildd pros ;)
[10:22] <carstenh> StR: you will not get a answer here, try #ubuntu
[10:22] <carstenh> #ubuntu-devel is for develoment only
[10:23] <RobinhoPeixoto> when will be generated the new version of language-pack?
[10:23] <ogra> after release
[10:23] <fabbione> hno_away: ping?
[10:23] <\sh> elmo: please sync busybox , dbishell , lde from debian unstable, thx
[10:27] <StR> carstenh: well.. yes, but beacuse it is a feature that comes in breezy (the php5 thing) I thought I would find the answer here
[10:27] <carstenh> StR: see topic, so support, even with breezy
[10:27] <Keybuk> no support
[10:27] <Keybuk> :)
[10:28] <fabbione> Keybuk: sorry.. are we there yet?
[10:28] <fabbione> ;)
[10:28] <Keybuk> fabbione: with?
[10:28] <fabbione> the release..
[10:28] <fabbione> :P
[10:28] <Keybuk> how would I know?  I'm just a monkey
[10:28] <Keybuk> ook
[10:28] <RobinhoPeixoto> ogra: Already it has some day certain to leave the new version language-pack?
[10:28] <fabbione> ahha
[10:29] <fabbione> RobinhoPeixoto: no there is no ETA yet
[10:29] <fabbione> RobinhoPeixoto: we still need to release and we are overloaded doing testing right now
[10:29] <fabbione> it's really not a good time
[10:30] <dholbach> you all should do some test installs :)
[10:30] <RobinhoPeixoto> Can I generate this package?  How?
[10:31] <dholbach> of the CD
[10:31] <dholbach> s
[10:42] <Keybuk> how to make Yelp crash
[10:42] <RobinhoPeixoto> fabbione: I am testing the Ubuntu
[10:42] <dredg> Keybuk: erm... type while it's doing something?
[10:42] <dredg> move your mouse?
[10:42] <dredg> look away? look at it?
[10:42] <Keybuk> Load it.  Click "Ubuntu 5.10 Starter Guide".  Click "Desktop" in the main window.  Click "Panel Applets".
[10:42] <fabbione> dredg: why so sofisticate? just open it
[10:43] <srbaker> hey
[10:43] <srbaker> i'm insttalling ubuntu on a Tecra M2.  should i post my experience somewhere?
[10:44] <srbaker> is there a place to post that it didn't fuck up or catch fire?
[10:44] <xhaker> you're free to post it on the wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:44] <srbaker> okay, i may do that.
[10:44] <fabbione> srbaker: or post the bugs to bugzilla and send a report to the mailing list
[10:44] <fabbione> it's more useful
[10:44] <xhaker> infact, it's good practice that you do that.. and if anything really bad happens fill some bugzilla bugs
[10:45] <xhaker> fabbione, beat me by 5 seconds
[10:45] <xhaker> lol
[10:45] <RobinhoPeixoto> I qill test
[10:45] <RobinhoPeixoto> I will test
[10:46] <xhaker> RobinhoPeixoto, brasil?
[10:46] <RobinhoPeixoto> xhaker: yes
[10:46] <xhaker> portugal here
[10:50] <juliux> is it known that it is not possible to print landscape from gnome programs e.g. gtklp, abiword, evince
[10:55] <doko> juliux: where did you get libnspr4 version 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04 from?
[10:56] <seb128> jdub, robitaille: do you have the url for the ics file?
[10:56] <Nafallo> seb128: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/ical that one?
[10:56] <seb128> yeah
[10:56] <juliux> doko, it was on my system since i have installed hoary
[10:57] <seb128> Nafallo: I want to URL to the file, not a redirection
[10:57] <Keybuk> random thought about server installs ... does it really make sense to create a new user?  we could replace that with a "enter the root password" kind of affair
[10:57] <Nafallo> ah
[10:57] <juliux> doko, and under breezy it is a newer version
[10:58] <juliux> doko, i searched the mirror manual but i do not found any libnspr4 package
[10:59] <doko> pitti: ^^^ looks like you messup version numbers in hoary security fixes?
[10:59] <juliux> doko, and apt-get --reinstall install linspr4 also not works
[10:59] <seb128> Nafallo: you should just click on the .ics and get the webcal stuff asking if you want to put that to your calendar, atm it opens the download dialog
[10:59] <Nafallo> seb128: I just pasted the url to evo :-)
[11:00] <seb128> Nafallo: yeah, but just clicking on it would be nice :)
[11:00] <Nafallo> baah :-P
[11:00] <seb128> I want to get the website changed
[11:01] <mvo> ping doko
[11:01] <doko> mdz, Kamion: uploads to breezy/universe still possible? the mozilla version in hoary-security is newer than in breezy
[11:01] <doko> mvo: pong
[11:03] <mvo> doko: see /msg
[11:04] <ogra> doko, universe is still open
[11:04] <doko> ogra: thanks
[11:06] <mdz> doko: universe uploads are still possible, but mozilla is in main
[11:07] <doko> mdz: so breezy-updates ...
[11:08] <doko> juliux: download the packages by hand: "aptitude download mozilla-browser libnspr", then install them with sudo dpkg -i ...
[11:09] <doko> pitti: !
[11:09] <doko> $ dpkg --compare-versions 1.7.12-0ubuntu2 gt 1.7.12-0ubuntu05.04; echo $?
[11:09] <doko> 1
[11:09] <pitti> Hi
[11:10] <juliux> doko, thxs
[11:12] <pitti> doko: so what? that version compare looks just fine?
[11:12] <pitti> doko: oh, wait, it doesn't...
[11:13] <pitti> doko: ubuntu0.5.04 would be better...
[11:13] <pitti> but that looks like a bug in the version comparison? ubuntu2 should be newer than ubuntu0...
[11:15] <juliux> doko, thanks for your help
[11:15] <doko> pitti: no, it never was.
[11:15] <wasabi_> guess the unichrome drivers never made it in
[11:15] <wasabi_> did they?
[11:16] <robitaille> seb128,  it seems the ical redirect change every day...right now it points at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2005/10/12/ical/all/all/
[11:16] <pitti> doko: bah; is this weird way documented somewhere?
[11:16] <pitti> doko: nm, I'll ask keybuk
[11:16] <Orborde> Is Breezy on bugzilla.ubuntu.com, I suppose?
[11:17] <robitaille> seb128,  but jdub must know more about the behind the scene stuff.... I'm only an user :)
[11:17] <doko> pitti: don't know, but I checked on a warty and woody system
[11:17] <seb128> robitaille: k, I've noticed the redirection but that's still not a direct .ics to click on
[11:17] <doko> pitti: #17579
[11:18] <Keybuk> pitti: 'sup?
[11:18] <dieman> anyone here on i2 or a reasonably fast network? want to see if this gigE card helped :)
[11:19] <Riddell> mdz, Kamion: all 6 kubuntu CDs are good
[11:20] <doko> mdz: should we add this upgrade glitch to the release notes?
[11:20] <pitti> Keybuk: why is -ubuntu05.4 newer than -ubuntu2?
[11:21] <Keybuk> because 5 > 2 ?
[11:21] <pitti> Keybuk: because 0 < 2?
[11:21] <Keybuk> at least, it is in my universe <g>
[11:21] <Keybuk> 05 is still numerically 5
[11:21] <Keybuk> sticking a 0 in front doesn't make it bigger
[11:21] <Keybuk><PHONE_NUMBER>05 is still greater than 2
[11:21] <doko> Keybuk and pitti live in parallel universes ;-P
[11:22] <pitti> not stringwise, though
[11:22] <pitti> bah
[11:22] <ozamosi> pitti: remember that 0.10 is greater then 0.9, and then you see why
[11:22] <Keybuk> dpkg doesn't compare versions stringwise
[11:22] <doko> Keybuk: it should be octal
[11:22] <Keybuk> otherwise we'd just use strcmp
[11:22] <Keybuk> doko: go stand in the corner
[11:22] <pitti> ozamosi: that's different; 0.010 is smaller than 0.9
[11:22] <seb128> Keybuk: what version of Ubuntu do you use? The FAQ has no item "Desktop" here on a fresh install ...
[11:22] <Keybuk> pitti: not in dpkg-land
[11:22] <mdz> doko: what changes are in breezy relative to hoary-security?
[11:23] <HrdwrBob> ozamosi: greather than (sorry, pet hate)
[11:23] <Keybuk> seb128: hmm?
[11:23] <Keybuk> which FAQ?
[11:23] <pitti> you mean 0.01 is bigger than 0.9? weird
[11:23] <seb128> Keybuk: your crasher
[11:23] <Keybuk> seb128: that was me testing yelp
[11:23] <Keybuk> so 20051012.2
[11:23] <pitti> mdz: mainly building against new libraries
[11:23] <seb128> yeah, but and now that's me trying to click on the same items to get the crash
[11:23] <Keybuk> it was because I clicked Desktop while it was still loading the FAQ I think
[11:23] <seb128> and I've no "Desktop"
[11:23] <pitti> mdz: we could upload a newer version to breezy-updates if necessary
[11:24] <mdz> we could potentially allow an update to breezy as well
[11:24] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, has always been thus
[11:24] <mdz> can someone check if the binaries are on any CDs?
[11:24] <fabbione> what pkg is that?
[11:24] <doko> mdz: libnspr4 definitely is on all cd's ...
[11:24] <Keybuk> seb128: if I load Yelp, the first thing is "Desktop" under "Help Topics"
[11:25] <Keybuk> that's what I clicked
[11:25] <Keybuk> after clicking the FAQ thing
[11:25] <mdz> doko: that is unfortunate
[11:25] <seb128> Keybuk: ok, thanks
[11:25] <mdz> elmo: can we add a katie check for this?
[11:26] <mdz> elmo: (hoary-security > breezy)
[11:26] <doko> mdz: so we learn for the testing plan :-) test-upgrades from released hoary and security-updated hoary
[11:26] <Keybuk> s/katie/soyuz/ no?
[11:26] <pitti> doko: with all installed packages, that is - mozilla is not installed by default
[11:27] <seb128> pitti: libnspr4 is
[11:27] <mdz> pitti: please prepare an upload for breezy-updates
[11:28] <mdz> I'm still waiting for DVDs to rsync; has anyone been able to  test them yet?
[11:28] <doko> mdz: already did
[11:29] <Riddell> I'll need a volunteer to test the amd64 dvd in an hour or so
[11:29] <Riddell> kubuntu one
[11:29] <mdz> doko: oh, please update BreezyTestPlan then
[11:29] <mdz> we seem to be lacking powerpc testing too
[11:29] <Unfrgiven> mdz: i tried grabbing the latest daily off the torrent last night (as per the test plan) but its stopped at 77% :(
[11:29] <Keybuk> mdz: everyone's powerpc is broken
[11:30] <mdz> mine isn't broken, it's just sick
[11:30] <Riddell> I have a powerpc if something needs testing
[11:32] <mdz> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyTestPlan
[11:33] <pitti> mdz: mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes for breezy-updates prepared
[11:33] <pitti> mdz: shall I upload now?
[11:33] <mdz> pitti: check with elmo first
[11:33] <pitti> ok
[11:34] <pitti> elmo: ok to upload a mozilla with newer version to breezy-updates?
[11:35] <jbailey> Does /current/ point to 20051012.3?  The CD seems to still say 20051012
[11:36] <mdz> jbailey: the CD doesn't include the fractional digit
[11:36] <mdz> unfortunate but true
[11:37] <jbailey> mdz: What's the best way to confirm that I've got the .3 version?
[11:37] <jbailey> ppc64 passed everything but cd eject at the end, but I want to make sure it was on the right version.
[11:37] <ajmitch> md5sum?
[11:38] <doko> somebody did ignore the lock on BreezyTestPlan
[11:38] <Kamion> jbailey: .disk/info on the CD-ROM
[11:38] <Kamion> oh, maybe not
[11:38] <Kamion> yeah, md5sum
[11:38] <Keybuk> hmm
[11:38] <Keybuk> no test sound on OEM install
[11:38] <Kamion> Keybuk: known, it's because most of GNOME isn't running
[11:38] <Keybuk> heh
[11:39] <Kamion> mdz: btw, jdub says that when he gets back from the pub he has an artwork upload to do
[11:39] <Kamion> ...
[11:39] <mdz> Kamion: very funny
[11:39] <pitti> we get dapper artwork so early? :-P
[11:40] <ogra> Kamion, oh, he took pictures in the pub ?
[11:40] <Kamion> I think he wanted to troll about it earlier today but silbs made him stop
[11:40] <mdz> Kamion: tell him to stop by on his way through here next time for a whipping
[11:40] <Kamion> :-)
[11:40] <Keybuk> send him to Brum, I've got one
[11:41] <fabbione> ok
[11:41] <fabbione> Kamion: OEM install is still go
[11:41] <Keybuk> does the oem installer not detect the keyboard?
[11:42] <Kamion> Keybuk: no, haven't figured out how to extricate that code from cdebconf yet
[11:42] <Keybuk> shame it doesn't auto-fill in the username box either
[11:42] <Kamion> ... oh, damn, and it may not tell X about the change either
[11:42] <Kamion> whoops
[11:42] <Keybuk> interesting different in partman behaviour, btw
[11:42] <Kamion> well, there's one for the errata; I'm not banging in a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at this stage
[11:42] <Kamion> Keybuk: que?
[11:42] <fabbione> AH AHHHHHH
[11:43] <Keybuk> if I do an "automatic" partman, I just get the partitions it made in fstab
[11:43] <Keybuk> if I hit manual, I suddenly get every partition on every drive in fstab
[11:43] <fabbione> mdz: remember that livecd/casper problem? i can reproduce it on one of my box...
[11:43] <mdz> fabbione: no, I don't
[11:43] <fabbione> mdz: i just noticed...
[11:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: gah, that's a bug
[11:43] <fabbione> mdz: the one that you reassigned to me from kiko / minimac
[11:43] <Keybuk> I have a /media/hda1, /media/hda3, /media/hdc1, et. al. now
[11:43] <fabbione> let me find the number
[11:43] <mdz> fabbione: screaming during release prep is prohibited except for showstoppers
[11:43] <fabbione> mdz: xresprobe not detecting the resolution
[11:43] <Kamion> Keybuk: that's really sucky, but too late to fix
[11:44] <Keybuk> Kamion: yeah, it's not critical or anything
[11:44] <Keybuk> would be nice to fix for next time
[11:44] <mdz> fabbione: my poor nerves :-)
[11:44] <Kamion> definitely; I don't know where the problem would be offhand
[11:44] <mdz> fabbione: are you able to strace it etc.?
[11:44] <fabbione> mdz: i will try
[11:45] <mdz> Kamion: the DVD has a different winfoss tarball, right?
[11:45] <Kamion> mdz: no, I don't think anyone ever asked for one
[11:45] <Kamion> no IMAGE_TYPE casing in find-live-filesystem at all
[11:46] <mdz> Kamion: oh, ok. one less test case
[11:46] <wasabi_> so like, any idea how to tar some files up perserving perms and untar them preserving them, when /etc/passwd with the original uids doesn't exist?
[11:46] <Kamion> it probably *should* have
[11:46] <mdz> fabbione: are you able to test the amd64 winfoss at all?
[11:46] <fabbione> mdz: i already added it to the wiki
[11:46] <fabbione> i did it
[11:46] <mdz> Kamion: yeah, surely hno73 has a larger tarball
[11:46] <doko> well, what's up with you, second time the lock on BreezyTestPlan is ignored ...
[11:46] <mdz> fabbione: oh, just saw it. thanks.
[11:47] <fabbione> mdz: no problem :)
[11:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: also, I'm not sure, but I don't think I got an ntfs partition in fstab for automatic
[11:47] <Lathiat> wasabi_: if tar wont do it
[11:47] <Lathiat> wasabi_: one of the other tools might
[11:47] <Lathiat> cpio or whatever
[11:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: I thought I fixed that a couple of days ago
[11:47] <Keybuk> dunno, will do a reinstall to test that one specifically
[11:47] <Kamion> Keybuk: but if there's a generic problem with stuff not getting automounted by partman-auto, it would apply to ntfs the same as everything else
[11:47] <Keybuk> it's on a different drive, don't know if that makes a difference
[11:47] <fabbione> mdz: i noticed only one small detail about the winfoss implementation. The browser windows that gets autoplayed is like 50 lines too short..
[11:47] <fabbione> mdz: the rest is perfect
[11:48] <Kamion> Keybuk: if it's in manual partitioning, that's more annoying, because it worked for me
[11:48] <fabbione> it tends to cut away the bottom
[11:48] <Keybuk> it's in manual partitioning yeah
[11:48] <Keybuk> that definitely worked
[11:48] <ivoks> so, when do we open champain? :)
[11:48] <fabbione> but i definetely don't consider it a show stopper :)
[11:53] <Keybuk> Kamion: live cd doesn't seed fstab either, but that may be a feature ?
[11:54] <Kamion> Keybuk: missing feature deferred at preview time, didn't get implemented in time
[11:54] <Bicchi> Sorry to ask but at what time is the release of ubuntu?
[11:54] <Kamion> Mithrandir's got the code for dapper, I think
[11:54] <Riddell> Bicchi: sometime in the next 24 hours
[11:54] <xhaker> 00:00 i think
[11:55] <mdz> I am getting terrible throughput from cdimage
[11:55] <Kamion> xhaker: on any particular basis? :-) (wrong)
[11:55] <mdz> via rsync anyway
[11:55] <mdz> wonder if http is better
[11:55] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yeah, didn't make FF.
[11:55] <pitti> mdz, elmo: btw, the prepared upload is on chinstrap:~pitti/mozilla_1.7.12-1ubuntu1_source.changes, so it it is ok, just dput it
[11:55] <xhaker> Kamion. atleast is what it says in the Fridge.. haha
[11:55] <pitti> s/so it/so if/
[11:56] <Kamion> xhaker: was just set arbitrarily I think
[11:56] <Bicchi> xhaker: yeah but 00:00 where
[11:56] <Bicchi> xhaker: UK ?
[11:57] <mdz> in fact my bandwidth everywhere seems to suck :-/
[11:57] <mdz> I seem to be capped at 1.5mbit
[11:57] <mdz> FURY
[11:58] <HrdwrBob> haha
[11:58] <HrdwrBob> welcome to australia
[11:58] <doko> mdz: are the three proposed upgrade tests too much=
[11:58] <doko> ?
[11:58] <xhaker> Bicchi i just assume everything is UTC in dev sites
[11:59] <fabbione> mdz: it's slow from here too
[11:59] <mdz> doko: should be ok, except s/hoary/breezy/, too late for more hoary CD upgrade testing ;-)
[12:00] <mdz> fabbione: that may be, but I definitely have a local problem
[12:01] <Kamion> Bicchi: don't worry about the timezone, since the given time isn't correct anyway; it will be released at some point during 2005-10-13, but no time has been set


[00:22] <niluje> hi guys
[00:22] <niluje> "quick" question about meltdown: I understand how to read anything from the kernel by getting its content byte per byte
[00:23] <niluje> what I don't understand is how to escape from a virtual machine
[00:23] <niluje> hence the question: how two virtual machines address spaces are isolated from each other in the iommu?
[00:24] <niluje> I realize the question might not make any sense and I could be missing something
[14:13] <dsd> i'm working on backporting the 4.14 KPTI patches to ubuntu 4.13 artful kernel, any ubuntu kernel devs interested in collaborating? or any existing efforts i can join?
[14:16] <apw> dsd, we're trying hard to get that done
[14:17] <dsd> apw: can we work together?
[14:17] <dsd> i have explored 2 approaches:
[14:18] <dsd> 1. take the stable queue 4.9 patches and apply to 4.13. result: looks pretty difficult, too many changes between 4.9 and 4.13, especially the 5 level page tables. i put this idea on pause after doing a couple of the patches
[14:19] <dsd> 2. take 4.14 stable patches and apply on artful kernel. there are basically 3 batches of patches to deal with. i have just completed the first batch (from 4.14.9) and it compiles
[14:19] <dsd> feeling more positive about that approach - hopefully just need to do that another 2 times and then pray that it boots
[14:20] <apw> well we have been looking at the 2. form as well
[14:22] <dsd> looking or doing? would it be useful for me to share what i've done so far, or is there any work in progress that can be shared from your side?
[14:26] <apw> we have something in testing, just not sure how complete it is right now
[14:28] <apw> sorry very distracted
[14:28] <dsd> happy to take a look if you publish it somewhere
[14:28] <apw> will try and get bck to you in a bit
[14:29] <dsd> ok, i'll also push what i've done in case it is useful, just a min
[14:44] <dsd> https://github.com/endlessm/linux/tree/artful-kpti and notes https://gist.github.com/dsd/f98a8f1a15f701934ece3e70c9b8fb0a
[17:46] <ricotz> tseliot, hi, I guess you are already aware of this nvidia-blob problem https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1028222/linux/lts-kernel-patch-for-intel-cpu-vulnerability-breaks-nvidia-driver/post/5230546/#5230546
[18:03] <mdeslaur> apw: our updated kernel may hit that nvidia issue ^
[18:09] <mamarley> Interestingly, I did not hit that bug.  It compiled fine (387.34, 4.14.11) for me.
[18:10] <ricotz> mamarley, the archive contains 384
[18:10] <mamarley> The guy in the thread says 387 failed to compile though.
[18:11] <TJ-> maybe it depends on which of the patch-set was included? there have been some recent commits since 4.14.11 was published
[18:11] <tyhicks> apw: regarding the nvidia issue, the only thing I can spot is the addition of the __visible attribute to cpu_tlbstate in https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=6fd166aae78c0ab738d49bda653cbd9e3b1491cf
[19:34] <tseliot> ricotz: sigh... no, I didn't look into that


[00:22] <SiDi> hi knome
[00:23] <SiDi> was gone to drink a beer :P
[00:23] <knome> lol
[00:23] <knome> not really
[00:23] <SiDi> what not really?
[00:23] <SiDi> it did was a beer :D
[00:24] <knome> right, you did beer
[00:24] <knome> i did not
[00:24] <SiDi> yeh
[00:24] <SiDi> thats what i meant
[00:24]  * SiDi has drunk beer. Might be non coherent
[00:24] <SiDi> What's up knome ?
[00:25] <knome> nothing special
[00:25] <knome> playin NFS undercover *on ubuntu*
[00:25] <SiDi> :p
[00:25] <SiDi> wine works better under xubuntu than ubuntu anyways :D
[00:25] <SiDi> no pulse / no compiz / xfwm's fullscreen feature rocks
[00:25] <knome> well xubuntu
[00:26] <knome> but ubuntu anyway, you know... not windows
[00:28] <knome> i'm a bit bored of this theme already after having played nfs porsche and nfsu2
[00:28] <SiDi> go for fps's
[00:28] <knome> buy a car, lose the cops, win races, tune your car, everybody is happy
[00:28] <SiDi> its always fun to shoot zombies \o/
[00:29] <knome> nah, never have liked fps
[00:32] <SiDi> Now that im drunk i feel like its the best time ever to review my university project report
[00:33] <knome> agreed
[00:33] <knome> lol, even listen thinks i should go to sleep
[00:33] <knome> plays a track with the finnish title "good night"
[00:36] <SiDi> ^^
[00:36] <SiDi> ok my song is about a dead person
[00:37] <SiDi> i hope its not a presage
[00:37] <knome> well my next song is titled "time bomb"
[00:37] <SiDi> Don't kill me :O
[00:37] <knome> haha
[00:37]  * SiDi surrenders.
[00:38] <knome> me trys to find out what to do next in nfs undercover to get further :P
[00:38] <SiDi> kill someone ? :P
[00:38] <knome> my total playtime is now 7h 40mins
[00:38] <knome> and i'm at 79% career
[00:39] <SiDi> ew
[00:39] <SiDi> games become too short :x
[00:39] <knome> i've become too good :P
[00:39] <SiDi> i played over 50 hours in Baldur's gate 2 and i didnt do half of it
[00:39] <SiDi> Yeh could be a factor too
[00:39] <SiDi> Nowaday's FPSes seem trivial even in hard mode :(
[00:40] <knome> honestly i don't think i'm too good or that the games are too short in a way, but too predictable
[00:40] <knome> earlier you had to find out what to do
[00:41] <knome> now you can skip some parts to finish the game
[00:41] <knome> and then play them later
[00:42] <SiDi> well, i mostly play fpses and they're very linear
[00:42] <SiDi> but the AI didnt improve much in the last years
[00:42] <SiDi> I also play a lot of RPGs, but usually the old ones :P I'm a bg / nwn fan
[00:43] <knome> meh
[00:43] <knome> i'm a clickety-click fan
[00:43] <knome> ála transport and rollercoaster tycoon (and openttd)
[00:44] <SiDi> rollercoaster :D
[00:45] <knome> yes. damn addictive
[00:45] <knome> but most addicted i am into games where you can build your transportation network :P~
[00:47] <knome> like some sort of drug to me
[00:56] <SiDi> damn, i'm such a troll T_T
[00:56] <SiDi> check #xubuntu
[00:56] <knome> d'oh
[00:57] <SiDi> Damn, i remember now why i opened firefox ! i had to get some gnutella schemes :/ oh dear
[00:59] <knome> hah
[01:04] <SiDi> Ok, bed time
[01:05] <SiDi> knome: have fun, don't drive over too many people
[01:05] <knome> hah, there is no people in this game
[01:05] <knome> only cars
[01:05] <SiDi> if you get used to it you'll have RL trouble afterwards :|
[01:05] <knome> good night :P
[01:05] <SiDi> night :)
[01:05] <knome> i don't have a drivers license in the RL
[01:05] <knome> no so problem there either :P
[09:54] <SiDi> hi
[15:08] <H_M-Ubuntu> Anyone on?
[15:13] <thorwil> nope
[15:14] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hmmm, oh well.
[15:14] <H_M-Ubuntu> I just wanted opinions anyway :)
[15:15] <thorwil> i'd suggest the mailing list. it's full of opinions sometimes ... anyway, what's the matter?
[15:17] <H_M-Ubuntu> Oh, well i'm making a new wallpaper (Or) GDM theme, and I wanted opinions on it.
[15:17] <H_M-Ubuntu> http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/7koaudqliytwfxz7p.jpg <---
[15:18] <H_M-Ubuntu> The red bar in the bottom probably won't be there.
[15:18] <H_M-Ubuntu> Depending on if it's a GDM theme, and where I put the input boxes and node information.
[15:19] <H_M-Ubuntu> The last GDM theme I made was a little too specific (I put Ubuntu on it).. Evidently some people wanted it with just Linux.. So
[15:19] <H_M-Ubuntu> I delivered this instead of a revamp :)
[15:20] <thorwil> i think it leads the eye to the center too much to be a good wallpaper. this very same thing could make sense for a GDM. a kind of gateway/tunnel effect. but then you have a big problem of where to put the entry
[15:20] <H_M-Ubuntu> Well, i'll show you my other GDM theme,
[15:20] <H_M-Ubuntu> One second.
[15:21] <H_M-Ubuntu> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/UbuGDM+Widescreen?content=102805
[15:21] <H_M-Ubuntu> I actually updated that one, it has some fixes.
[15:21] <H_M-Ubuntu> A little bit of re-centering, and buttons on the left.
[15:23] <thorwil> brrr, cold
[15:23] <H_M-Ubuntu> That was actually one of the first things I made in GIMP.... first GDM theme, aswell. I'm used to photoshop, but GIMP is free and... free....
[15:24] <thorwil> i worked with photoshop 4 up to the first CS version or so. i like gimp :)
[15:24] <H_M-Ubuntu> By the way, I made that GDM theme monotone, because I have a monotone theme.
[15:25] <H_M-Ubuntu> I HAVE Adobe CS4, but I don't use it much.. except for video editing, or several other things.
[15:25] <H_M-Ubuntu> If I really require an Adobe application, i'll just run it in a VM.
[15:25] <H_M-Ubuntu> (Which I don't, so I won't.)
[15:26] <thorwil> H_M-Ubuntu, how about you try something off-center, with no text?
[15:26] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hmmm off center... then where?
[15:27] <thorwil> H_M-Ubuntu, i recommend to have a look at http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3275
[15:28] <H_M-Ubuntu> Not sure how that would apply here.
[15:30] <thorwil> H_M-Ubuntu, it applies always. i'm well aware of how that looks like another world, but it should just get you to think about composition
[15:30] <H_M-Ubuntu> Well, I assure you I don't always use that centered focal point. :)
[15:30] <H_M-Ubuntu> That would get boring.
[23:29] <LordMetroid> Ohh, I found a irc channel to complement the mailing list
[23:30] <SiDi> Oo
[23:37] <LordMetroid> The Ubuntu artwork mailing list...
[23:37] <LordMetroid> Where people discuss and post the artwork that is being done for ubuntu
[23:38]  * SiDi hides.


[00:44] <vpa1977> ahasenack: I've attached the patch for jks-keystore hook to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/1998065 and validated it with ppa
[00:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1998065 in ca-certificates-java (Ubuntu Jammy) "JRE 19/Jammy: package ca-certificates-java 20190909 failed to install/upgrade: installed ca-certificates-java package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[14:22] <ogayot> Hi! could somebody retrigger the failed gbrowse autopkgtests on lunar please?
[14:22] <ogayot> $ ./retry-autopkgtest-regressions -s lunar | grep -F package=gbrowse
[14:25] <schopin> ogayot: on it.
[14:25] <ogayot> schopin: thanks!
[15:25] <enr0n> Can a core dev please retry this autopkgtest? https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=dpdk&trigger=systemd%2F252.1-1ubuntu1
[15:26] <bdmurray> doing so
[15:27] <bdmurray> maybe I should have done it when I merged your change :-|
[15:40] <enr0n> bdmurray: thanks! FWIW it looks like that change has helped so far
[15:41] <bdmurray> great!