[23:20] <ubuntu> yes
[23:20] <zmitya> ubuntu: with raid 0 or with LVM
[23:20] <ubuntu> either on
[23:20] <ubuntu> one
[23:20] <ubuntu> i don't know what raid 0 or with LVM mean's srry to say
[23:21] <ubuntu> i don't know much about computer's but i'm gonna learn ,thnx to u guy's help  ^_^
[23:21] <zmitya> well, not really easy to tell it in a few lines
[23:21] <zmitya> lets google for that
[23:21] <ubuntu> i did google and nothing, that's why i'm here
[23:21] <zmitya> usually you want to do it install time, but it is possible to do it with an existing OS
[23:22] <ubuntu> ok
[23:22] <ner0x> ubuntu: Are you on linux right now?
[23:22] <zmitya> ubuntu: http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/HOWTO//cvs/lvm-howto/output/lvm-howto.html#toc2
[23:22] <lars> some idées about getting s-video port to be recognized?
[23:22] <ubuntu> kubuntu live disc is what i'm us'n right now to talk to u guy's becuz i don't have a os on the computer rite now
[23:23] <ubuntu> what's the link?
[23:23] <zmitya> ubuntu that is good... choose manual partitioning and there will be an LVM possibility somewhere
[23:23] <zmitya> sorry can't help you in more detailed
[23:24] <ubuntu> ok but what about for WINDOW'S???
[23:25] <zmitya> ubuntu: ??
[23:25] <lovre> how do i know what opengl i have installed?
[23:26] <zmitya> on windows lets buy a HW raid card, setup raid0 and install windows on it and go to #windows I think
[23:26] <ubuntu> i was using window's and i wanted to put both of my hard drives that are both 80 gig's into 160 gig of hard drive space from installing window's
[23:27] <dyn0myt3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
[23:31] <wirechief> lovre: what does this give you ? glxinfo |grep version
[23:32] <lovre> server glx version string: 1.4
[23:32] <lovre> client glx version string: 1.4
[23:32] <lovre> GLX version: 1.3
[23:32] <lovre> OpenGL version string: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 180.44
[23:32] <lovre> OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 NVIDIA via Cg compiler
[23:34] <wirechief> lovre well this more like what you are wanting ....dpkg -l |grep opengl
[23:38] <winterelf> hi . need help please... my kubuntu stack after the grub, when the screen with the "kubuntu" name is in the middle and the scroll blue line that goes back and forward freeze too... i booted from live cd  and removed the name "splash" from the menu.lst so i could see the problam, and i booted again from grub , after this it says some wierd error of 4 lines and than just rapeat on the same error again and again .. so i guess this is for the freeze... anyone
[23:40] <ign0ramus> winterelf, the exact error could prove helpful
[23:40] <lovre> wirechief: ty
[23:42] <rmrfslash> Oh snap!!! New fglrx (Catalyst 9.5) on AMD website!
[23:42] <rmrfslash> :D
[23:43] <rmrfslash> If this actually works, I might claim to have the perfect Linux installation on a laptop :)
[23:43] <rmrfslash> Everything working.
[23:44] <rmrfslash> Skype video/audio, DVD playback, hardware accel, resume/suspend, USB Broadband internet, WiFi, and more.
[23:45] <winterelf> ign0ramus: i will write the error but it won't look good
[23:45] <winterelf> ata3: status : {ddrdy err}
[23:45] <winterelf> ata3: error: {unc}
[23:45] <winterelf> ata3:exception emask 0x0 sAct 0x0 serr 0x0 action 0x0
[23:45] <winterelf> ata3:bmdma stat 0x24
[23:45] <winterelf> ata3:cmd 25/00:00:3f:b0:c9/00:04:1c:00:00:e0 tag o dma ....
[23:47] <ign0ramus> winterelf, well, could be a bad HDD... do you have any other OS's on this computer?
[23:49] <winterelf> ign0ramus:i have windows working... it's a laptop
[23:50] <ign0ramus> winterelf, ok, let's make a backup first... do: "sudo cp /etc/modprobe.d/options /etc/modprobe.d/options.bak"
[23:53] <winterelf> ho, but i m on my laptop right now, and i can run kubuntu only if i m running it under live cd...
[23:53] <ign0ramus> winterelf, you can get it running on livecd?
[23:54] <winterelf> yes... i will move to another computer and i will be back in here . ok?
[23:54] <ign0ramus> winterelf, ok
[23:59] <phoenixz> Is there some place  / repo where I could find newer versions of either Firefox (3.1), Amarok (2.1) or Quassel (just anything newer) ?
[23:59] <phoenixz> Current versions of these softwares (with exception of firefox) suck badly..


[00:53] <sarnold> Juest: "safe to use", well, that's a good question. the security model of openpgp is based around validating the signatures on keys and building a chain of trust, etc
[00:54] <sarnold> Juest: but most people weren't using the SKS keyservers that way, and when those were bombarded with junk signatures that would DOS gpg, evyerone sort of realized that we're asking more of the keyservers than we thought we were
[00:54] <Juest> i see
[00:55] <sarnold> Juest: the keyserver.ubuntu.com keyservers are definitely intended for public use, we host them so that the FOSS communities can use them, and communicate better with each other
[00:55] <sarnold> Juest: obviously, if they wind up being abused by a handful of users, our IS folks might put protections in place to prevent the abuse, but standard end user things is just fine
[01:15] <Juest> thank you sarnold
[01:15] <sarnold> sure thing Juest :) have fun :)


[00:29] <scientes> so its impossible to remove the trash icon in the launcher?
[00:30] <scientes> its kinda big when you only have 800x480
[00:30] <scientes> and it cant even be used to close applications, by dragging them to the trash
[10:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: hello!
[10:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: we fixed the BAMF thing, thanks for the pointer - if it wasn't for that, we probably would still be at it
[10:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: so now the MRQs are merged (practically)
[10:20] <sil2100> Trevinho: could you give me a sign when you're online?
[10:21] <morphis> heyho
[10:21] <morphis> anyone here I can ask something related to the "Product Strategy" team and it's open positions at Canonical?
[10:23] <popey> hi morphis
[10:24] <popey> morphis, any particular type of role you're interested in (assuming it's for you)
[10:24] <morphis> popey: yes, it's for me
[10:24] <morphis> popey: it's the role as "System Developer"
[10:24] <popey> we have about 10 positions open
[10:25] <popey> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=441
[10:25] <popey> that one?
[10:25] <morphis> popey: yes
[10:25] <morphis> popey: I applied back in may
[10:25] <popey> ok.
[10:25] <morphis> and never got any response
[10:25] <popey> let me take a look
[10:25] <popey> lets take this to pm..
[10:25] <morphis> yes, please
[12:22] <Zhenech> mh
[12:23] <Zhenech> what are the expected update plans for the ayatana libraries in precise? e.g. libdbusmenu, 0.6.1 is in precise, 0.6.2 is in quantal, will precise get 0.6.2 (if needed for fixes)) or will 0.6.1 be patched?
[13:03] <Trevinho> sil2100: here I am
[13:04] <sil2100> Trevinho: excellent! Now what did I need from you... hmm...
[13:04] <sil2100> Too much is going on
[13:07] <Trevinho> sil2100: was that dbus-launch binary just missing on the merger installation?
[13:07] <sil2100> Trevinho: yes, since it seems some precise package dependencies changed 'magically'
[16:19]  * AlanBell is building a compiz branch
[16:20] <AlanBell> is there anything special that needs to be done when running compiz built from lp:compiz like rebuilding unity?
[16:20] <AlanBell> https://code.launchpad.net/~alanbell/compiz/texttracking is the branch I am building
[16:54] <sil2100> andyrock: hellooo, can I bother you with a small cherry-pick of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/994163 for 5.0? ;)
[16:54] <sil2100> andyrock: nothing urgent, since the unity SRU is planned for next week
[17:14] <andyrock> sil2100, ok... i'm SRUing it right now
[17:27] <AlanBell> so with my rebuilt compiz, how do I run it?
[17:28] <AlanBell> do I need to remove my packaged version of compiz/unity?
[17:28] <AlanBell> if not, how do I know which one is running?
[17:41] <popey> AlanBell, hello!
[17:41] <AlanBell> popey o/
[17:41] <popey> AlanBell, how did you build it?
[17:42] <AlanBell> cmake -i  .. turning off the KDE thing
[17:42] <AlanBell> then make
[17:42] <popey> I'd be inclined to build a package out of it, to make it easy to install/remove
[17:42] <AlanBell> in a build directory in the compiz directory
[17:43] <AlanBell> and I kept installing dependencies until it shut up and worked
[17:43] <popey> where did the source come from? bzr branch or apt-get source?
[17:43] <AlanBell> bzr branch
[17:43] <popey> from where?
[17:43] <AlanBell> lp:compiz
[17:43] <popey> you on quantal?
[17:43] <AlanBell> yup
[17:48] <popey> you can easily get the build deps using "apt-get build-dep compiz" btw
[17:50] <AlanBell> yeah, I did that
[17:50] <AlanBell> it needed some other stuff before it would shut up
[17:51] <AlanBell> any idea how to make a package from the source tree?
[17:51] <popey> sure
[17:51] <popey> something like...
[17:52]  * popey types in a pastebin
[17:53] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1054669/
[17:53] <popey> sommat like that
[17:54] <popey> you'll end up with a deb in ../build-area
[17:55] <popey> however.. we're in the middle of some transitions with that packaging..
[17:55] <popey> you might be better off doing "apt-get source compiz" and build that instead
[17:56]  * popey is off to get a train..
[17:56]  * popey wanders off singing "Waterloo!"
[17:59] <AlanBell> I don't get that at all
[18:00] <AlanBell> so I end up with a directory with folders compiz and ubuntu in it
[18:00] <AlanBell> one being lp:compiz (or actually my branch of it)
[18:01] <AlanBell> and the other being that packaging branch which appears to have all of compiz in it and not just the /debian directory
[18:01] <AlanBell> I go into the ubuntu directory and try bzr bd but there is no such command
[18:01] <AlanBell> or anything similar that I can find
[18:03]  * AlanBell installs bzr-builddeb and tries again
[18:04]  * AlanBell installs a few more missing dependencies and things appear to be building
[18:57] <AlanBell> that built something, but failed to sign the .dsc file because I am not didrocks
[19:01] <AlanBell> and I can't see how to specify my gpg key using bzr bd :(
[19:02] <seb128> it's not failing, it's just not signing
[19:02] <seb128> the debs are in ../build-area still
[19:02] <seb128> you can specify the key with bzr bd -- -kKEYNUMBER
[19:29] <AlanBell> ok, building again
[19:29] <AlanBell> so does this make debs that can be put in a ppa or do I need to do something different to make source debs?
[19:30] <seb128> bzr bd --source
[19:35] <AlanBell> cool
[19:36] <AlanBell> so I have this ubuntu packaging branch in a directory next to the one I want to build which is called compiz
[19:36] <AlanBell> how does it know when I am in the ubuntu tree that I want to build the other one?
[19:37] <seb128> it doesn't?
[19:37] <seb128> you either need to merge the diff you want in the ubuntu dir
[19:37] <seb128> or to copy the packaging bit to the other one
[19:39] <AlanBell> oh, bother, I am building the wrong thing then
[19:49] <AlanBell> this can't be normal :(
[19:50] <AlanBell> so I cp -a ../ubuntu/debian from the packaging branch to the directory with the branch I want to build
[19:50] <AlanBell> then bzr bd --source -- -k2766C6AD to build my tree
[19:50] <AlanBell> and it says bzr: ERROR: Please add "debian/changelog" to the branch using bzr add.
[19:51] <AlanBell> well I don't want to do that, because it shouldn't be there in that tree
[20:06] <AlanBell> this is too hard /o\
[20:25] <bobweaver> ping davidcalle   :)
[20:25] <bobweaver> I was looking at 100 scopes and seen the watchseries one I have installed on ubuntu tv but it is not searching how to debug this thing ?
[20:26] <bobweaver> I will push code now that I changed and then post here
[20:36] <tedg> AlanBell, You should be able to merge the dev branch you want into the packaging branch.
[20:36] <tedg> So basically bzr branch packaging
[20:36] <tedg> cd packaging
[20:36] <tedg> bzr merge dev
[20:36] <tedg> bzr commit
[20:36] <tedg> bzr bd
[20:46] <bobweaver> code and debian packages are here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/watchseries/files
[22:00] <davidcalle> bobweaver, you need the lens that goes with it. But... I wouldn't advise you to distribute it.
[22:01] <bobweaver> the lens is the series code correct ?
[22:01] <bobweaver> I have added that
[22:01] <bobweaver> code >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/watchseries/files
[22:01] <davidcalle> bobweaver, you should find a tvshows branch, it's the lens
[22:02] <davidcalle> watchseries is a scope for it.
[22:02] <bobweaver> yeah but the lens is called series
[22:03] <bobweaver> on the branch correct I will grab link
[22:03] <bobweaver> lens  >>  https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/onehundredscopes/series
[22:03] <bobweaver> ??
[22:04] <davidcalle> bobweaver, oh right
[22:04] <bobweaver> is there a different lens ?
[22:05] <davidcalle> bobweaver, but I wouldn't advise anyone to distribute this, this is a bit too much on the illegal side of things.
[22:05] <davidcalle> bobweaver, the folder I have is named tvshows, but yeah, it's the same thing
[22:06] <bobweaver> yeah I am not going to push
[22:06] <bobweaver> this is for me
[22:06] <bobweaver> but will not search
[22:06] <bobweaver> just spins
[22:07] <bobweaver> I add .sessions file also and also ps aux says that it is running
[22:07] <bobweaver> both scope and lens
[22:07] <bobweaver> but icon that I assign wont show up but Shortcuts key works
[22:07] <bobweaver> because it says "Search TV series "
[22:08] <davidcalle> bobweaver, hmm, you don't need a .sessions
[22:08] <davidcalle> *checking the branch*
[22:08] <bobweaver> thanks davidcalle
[22:11] <davidcalle> bobweaver, IRC, you want 11.10 compatible lenses, right?
[22:12] <davidcalle> IIRC*
[22:19] <bobweaver> yup
[22:20] <davidcalle> bobweaver, I'm not used to your way of building, I use a setup.py file, but all you need for this lens+scope to work is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1055082 . Nothing more.
[22:21] <bobweaver> Yeah I mimic the endusers system to make for different packaging
[22:21] <bobweaver> wait it is working for you ?
[22:22] <bobweaver> my debian packages ?
[22:22] <davidcalle> bobweaver, I won't see anything working without an Oneiric install.
[22:22] <bobweaver> ahh
[22:22] <davidcalle> :)
[22:22] <bobweaver> him maybe I am missing a lib or something ?
[22:23] <bobweaver> some sorta dependency ?
[22:23] <davidcalle> python-lxml maybe
[22:23] <bobweaver> checking now
[22:24] <bobweaver> nope that is installed
[22:25] <bobweaver> I am going to add some filters to see if they show on lens
[22:25] <davidcalle> bobweaver, try to run the lens and the scope daemons manually.
[22:27] <bobweaver> scope is faing to own name Oo
[22:28] <davidcalle> bobweaver, so it's already running
[22:28] <davidcalle> bobweaver, kill the lens first, then the scope
[22:28] <bobweaver> correct when I call the lens it sees the scpoe and starts it
[22:30] <bobweaver> but still no filters or shows
[22:30] <bobweaver> davidcalle,  do you have teamviewer or somesota remote software ?
[22:31] <davidcalle> I see a mistake around line 101... the def watchseries method in the scope should be replaced by http://paste.ubuntu.com/1055097/
[22:31] <davidcalle> bobweaver, Googl+ hangout?
[22:31] <davidcalle> bobweaver, there is screen sharing
[22:31] <bobweaver> ok I will try to set that up
[22:32] <davidcalle> bobweaver, anyway, I won't be able to do it not, it's quite late here
[22:32] <bobweaver> cool
[22:32] <davidcalle> bobweaver, now*
[22:32] <davidcalle> If you still have the issue tomorrow, I'll be happy to help :)
[22:34] <davidcalle> bobweaver, what does the scope say when you start it? No error?
[22:37] <bobweaver> nope no errors just changed the code and trying
[22:37] <bobweaver> still nothing
[22:38] <bobweaver> even the filter is not showing up
[22:39] <bobweaver> as far as starting the scope 1st it just sits there with a flashing cursor
[22:40] <bobweaver> I will try with $?
[22:40] <bobweaver> 1
[22:41] <bobweaver> Oh my
[22:41] <davidcalle> What happens if you start the scope, then the lens, then unity make a search in the lens? The scope should asy something, or crash...
[22:41] <davidcalle> say*
[22:52] <bobstv> davidcalle:  http://imagebin.org/217507
[22:52] <bobstv> that is what happens
[22:53] <davidcalle> bobstv, and making a search in the lens does nothing at all in the scope terminal?
[22:53] <bobstv> I weill try
[22:54] <bobstv> will *
[22:55] <bobstv> Nothing at all
[22:55] <bobstv> http://imagebin.org/217508
[22:57] <bobstv> http://imagebin.org/217509
[22:59] <bobstv> output from lens http://paste.ubuntu.com/1055134/
[22:59] <bobstv> still nothing in the terminal where scope is ruinning
[23:05] <davidcalle> bobstv, the lens output looks normal. I'm looking at the code.
[23:06] <bobweaver> I am going to add filter to lens to rule out lens 100 %
[23:06] <davidcalle> ok
[23:12] <bobweaver> Is there a limit to the number of lens on may have in for the icons to show up ?
[23:12] <davidcalle> On Unity 3D, it can entirely fill up the lens bar, almost 20 lenses.
[23:13] <davidcalle> bobweaver, that's not a real limit, it's just that Unity is not designed to display more of them.
[23:14] <davidcalle> Oh, you don't see the lens icon?
[23:14] <bobweaver> no
[23:15] <bobweaver> it is the lens not the scope
[23:15] <bobweaver> filters are not working either
[23:16] <bobweaver> filters that I just hardcoded in ^^
[23:18] <davidcalle> bobweaver, I see something, but maybe that's not the main issue : in the .lens file "DBusPath=/net/launchpad/unity/lens/Watchseries"
[23:18] <davidcalle> Should be lower case
[23:18] <davidcalle> watchseries
[23:18] <davidcalle> To match the dbus path in the daemon
[23:19] <bobweaver> I have altered daemon
[23:19] <bobweaver> hang on getting code togeather
[23:20] <davidcalle> That's the only thing I see. (Back in ten minutes)
[23:30] <bobweaver> https://code.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/watchseries-not-working    << what I have Right now
[23:40] <davidcalle> bobweaver, in your .lens file : DBusPath=/net/launchpad/unity/lens/Watchseries should be DBusPath=/net/launchpad/unity/lens/watchseries
[23:41] <bobweaver> thanks
[23:41] <davidcalle> bobweaver, and of course, you have to unity --restart for it to pick up the new .lens file.
[23:44] <bobweaver> still nothing
[23:48] <davidcalle> bobweaver, is the lens showing up with the right icon?
[23:50] <bobweaver> no I have to press the shortcut key to get it to show up
[23:51] <davidcalle> Ok
[23:52] <bobweaver> I am going to start from scratch
[23:54] <davidcalle> bobweaver, I'm wondering if there is a conflict because the scope has the same name.
[23:55] <bobweaver> could be
[23:55] <bobweaver> I fought for days with the TV "video " lens and the youlens that was also named video-les
[23:55] <bobweaver> lens *
[23:56] <davidcalle> bobweaver, you could try removing the .scope file from the unity/lenses/watchseries and see if the lens appears


[01:50] <gnomefreak> asac: you still here?
[01:55] <gnomefreak> asac: im gonna be spending time in the hospital again due to blood sugar saw dr. yesterday and he has sent the admit orders already ill be there tomorrow. if you look at my LP page and go to code you will see iceowl branch its just about ready, autoconf2.13 needs to be run but one of the patches will still fail to apply afaik, its the iceowl.install.patch seems the file it patches has changed they added seamonkey i think is all i
[01:55] <gnomefreak> damn that was long
[01:58] <gnomefreak> asac: also i saw email that iceape FTBFS on debian due to gcc 4.2 tell mike to use our patch to see if it helps (ours builds theirs dont)
[02:02] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: let me know if problems in iceape are still there. i checked it from gutsy boot and it didnt have source errors, seems the things it says now is on just about every package (lintian needs to stop that, you dont see linda complaining about anything ;) )
[18:06] <gnomefreak> ok im here for a little while, if needed
[18:11] <asac> hihi
[18:11] <asac> bug 145683
[18:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145683 in network-manager "Network manager crash with WPA" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145683
[18:12] <gnomefreak> asac: did you get message i left lastnight?
[18:12] <asac> about the debian patches?
[18:13] <gnomefreak> yes
[18:13] <gnomefreak> sunbird is tested and ready iceowl needs the iceowl.install.rdf patch remade it fails to apply due to line changes and a line that is no longer in the install.rdf file
[18:18]  * asac lunch
[18:57] <asac> back
[18:57] <asac> now smoke
[19:02] <gnomefreak> asac: are we sticking with nobinonly in the package name/version if so how should it be set. when i get home this week i will run the script in sunbird but would like to know version name to use for that.
[19:06] <asac> sunbird should get nobinonly
[19:06] <asac> iceowl of coursenot
[19:08] <gnomefreak> asac: but it would be lightning-sunbird_0.7~nobinonly-0ubuntu1?
[19:09] <gnomefreak> !info firefox gutsy
[19:09] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8967 kB, installed size 26024 kB
[19:09] <gnomefreak> +2 is upstream source
[19:10] <gnomefreak> i think i have sunbird version 0.7-0ubuntu1 but wont know for sure until i get home
[19:12] <gnomefreak> so would i just go with 0.7nobinonly-0ubuntu1?
[19:22] <gnomefreak> ok shes here ill be back later i hope
[19:28] <asac> gnomefreak: no its +nobinonly
[19:29] <asac> tilde means that its something like a preview ... which it isn't
[19:29] <asac> the +2 won't be needed
[19:30] <Ubulette> hi
[19:32] <asac> hi Ubulette
[19:34] <Ubulette> asac, don't know if you read commit mails, i've moved out the gnome part of xul, as some kde users are requesting
[19:35] <asac> yeah ... saw that
[19:36] <asac> Ubulette: can you see if  firefox-3.0  without gnome-support allows you to subscribe to RSS feed with _other application_? (e.g. like liferea)
[19:36] <asac> there is an issue in 2.0
[19:37] <Ubulette> asac, could you have a look a sm2 (chatzilla). it seems i'm missing something but I don't know what
[19:37] <Ubulette> at
[19:39] <Ubulette> lol, pitti didn't use my (tested) patches, he did his own, failed, then he had to reup, now it's a mess with libs in /lib and .la in /usr/lib
[19:41] <Ubulette> well, it's not even fun
[19:42] <Ubulette> asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sm2-bad.png
[19:43] <asac> well ... then network is so sucky, that i can't hardly do anything here :(
[19:44] <Ubulette> maybe just look at the screen shot, it could ring a bell
[19:44] <asac> appear that some entities are not defined
[19:45] <asac> maybe they are not properly zipped to the chrome jars?
[20:10] <Ubulette> key/menu/dialog that's strange
[20:13] <asac> i someho don't get why cvs still doesn't work for me for seamonkiey
[20:14] <Ubulette> manually or with mozclient ?
[20:14] <asac> why would it matter?
[20:15] <asac> it always worked that way at home
[20:15] <asac> looks a bit like i get to a stalled mirror here
[20:17] <asac> oh it appears to work now \o/
[20:32] <asac> ok ... i am currently building latest suite ... lets see if i see the same issue
[20:39] <asac> let the  show begin :)
[20:39] <asac> Ubulette: debian bug 449448
[20:39] <ubotu> Debian bug 449448 in xulrunner "Please package xulrunner 1.9 in the upstream way" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/449448
[20:39] <asac> lets see how fast it will be wontfix
[20:40] <Ubulette> :)
[20:42] <Ubulette> SeaMonkey 1.1.6 Available
[20:43] <Ubulette> i'm tempted to update my 1.1 branch
[20:43] <asac> right
[20:43] <asac> so maybe we want to replace iceape even before 2.0 ?
[20:43] <Ubulette> why not, i like the idea
[20:45] <asac> ok, is mt already in maintainer field? ... let me know when your branch is ready for upload ... but i guess we need transitional packages ... do we have them already?
[20:45] <Ubulette> not yet
[20:45] <Ubulette> it's a plain standalone sm 1.1.*
[20:46] <Ubulette> and it coexists with sm2
[20:46] <asac> yeah right ... i mean transition packages for iceape -> sm
[20:47] <Ubulette> yes, that's what I meant too
[20:48] <asac> i think once we have them I would be fine with just uploading that
[20:49] <asac> then blacklist iceape so we won't get any merge requests on MoM
[20:49] <asac> only thing is that we need to package locales as well ... so we shouldn't underestimate the work this adds on top of mt
[20:50] <Ubulette> it's manual ?
[20:51] <asac> yeah ... maybe we weill have rosetta integration for hardy
[20:51] <asac> but the rosetta guy doing the mozilla translation infrastructure is away till end of year afaik
[20:57] <Ubulette> (kazehakase 0.5.0 ftbfsed on lpia because of a missing ruby dep on that platform. not much i can do unless i dig into ruby stuff, which i don't want to)
[20:57] <Ubulette> otherwise, it's ready do be pushed
[21:00] <Ubulette> maybe i should apply as motu
[21:06] <asac> i think it would be good to have you a motu
[21:06] <asac> i will ask someone
[21:09] <asac> cannot find him atm
[21:09] <asac> he probably is in some session
[21:10] <Ubulette> who ?
[21:10] <asac> maybe prepare a bunch  of merges ... to backup your definitly great technical skills
[21:10] <asac> dholbach
[21:11] <Ubulette> isn't my job here enough ? or my ppa ? my branches ? my bot ? whatever ?
[21:14] <bluekuja> asac: I guess having some merges work would be enough
[21:15] <asac> Ubulette: no idea :) ... i just say if you do a bunch of simple merges i am sure that you will go through like a charme ... otherwise it will work out well too i guess
[21:16] <Ubulette> what about that iceape->sm ?
[21:16] <Ubulette> could it help ?
[21:17] <Ubulette> I just don't want to spend time on some merges just to pretend. I have enough packages to work on, pretty big ones if you ask me
[21:17] <bluekuja> Ubulette, actually you need to have some sponsored work
[21:17] <bluekuja> like asac said
[21:17] <bluekuja> so merges/bug fixes
[21:17] <asac> bluekuja: he has
[21:18] <asac> i just say  that part of motu work is doing merges, so showing that you can deal with MoM would make you a perfect motu
[21:18] <asac> but i don't think that this would be needed
[21:18] <bluekuja> asac: I don't see them in +packages?
[21:19] <asac> well ...  he did xulrunner-1.9 + firefox-3.0
[21:20] <asac> (for instance)
[21:20] <asac> i will ask dholbach once he shows up
[21:22] <bluekuja> asac: Ubulette is doing a great work
[21:22] <bluekuja> really
[21:23] <bluekuja> asac: but you know better than me how MC is :)
[21:23] <bluekuja> asac: +packages list is alwais checked
[21:23] <asac> i know nothing :)
[21:23] <bluekuja> :)
[21:23] <bluekuja> asac: and as you said merges are really important
[21:23] <bluekuja> asac: so if Ubulette feels fine I can help him a bi
[21:23] <bluekuja> *bit
[21:24] <bluekuja> he's a fast learner
[21:24] <bluekuja> so one-two merges will be enough
[21:24] <asac> well ... i think they are important for a "standard motu" career ... but that doesn't mean that there is no place for other ways to contribute
[21:25] <bluekuja> fully true
[21:25] <asac> but showing that one can do that as well is pretty useful
[21:25] <bluekuja> yep
[21:25] <bluekuja> I agree with you here
[21:25] <bluekuja> and as I said
[21:26] <bluekuja> I appreciated the work Ubulette is putting
[21:26] <bluekuja> on the mozilla team
[21:26] <bluekuja> *appreciate
[21:26] <Ubulette> asac, just chat with your contact, you know me enough to explain what I can bring to ubuntu. if it's not enough, tell me, we'll see if I want to move forward or just drop the ball
[21:27] <bluekuja> Ubulette, you won't drop the ball
[21:27] <bluekuja> Ubulette, you don't have to
[21:27] <bluekuja> :)
[21:30] <asac_> hey :)
[21:30] <asac_> sm 2.0 HEAD chatzilla
[21:30] <bluekuja> heya
[21:30] <asac_> just works if started from dist/bin
[21:30] <bluekuja> :D
[21:30] <asac_> Ubulette: ^^
[21:30] <asac_> no error in error console so far
[21:30] <asac_> hmm
[21:31] <asac_> lets see if mailnews works as well ... didn't work last time i tried
[21:31] <bluekuja> going to sleep
[21:31] <bluekuja> asac_: let me know what daniel says
[21:31] <bluekuja> would like to help Ubulette as well
[21:32] <asac_> sure
[21:32] <asac_> i have to find him firstz ... he has disappaered apparently
[21:32] <bluekuja> have a good night, alex
[21:32] <bluekuja> yep
[21:32] <bluekuja> I don't see him around since days
[21:32] <bluekuja> oki, off
[21:32] <bluekuja> cu tomorrow :)
[21:33] <Ubulette> 'night bluekuja
[21:38] <Ubulette> hmm, so yours is ok. it's a start
[21:39] <asac> its just a plain build
[21:39] <asac> Ubulette: ok ... he says we should get a bunch of uploads with you in changelog in the archive
[21:40] <asac> so maybe sponsoring what you have in ppa would be a good start?
[21:40] <asac> what about the kazehakase you have in there?
[21:40] <asac> webrunner
[21:40] <Ubulette> ff3 and xul don't have my name already ?
[21:40] <Ubulette> webrunner needs to be reworked, it's prism now
[21:41] <asac> they have ... well ... we can say that they have though launchpad didn't recognize it
[21:41] <asac> miro?
[21:41] <asac> what about intlclock?
[21:41] <Ubulette> it's already in, mine is head as usual
[21:41] <asac> is that in the archive already?
[21:42] <Ubulette> intlclock is not mine, i just did 2 fixes
[21:42] <Ubulette> last being not merge afaik
[21:42] <asac> that doesn't matter ... ubuntu allows you to prepare fixes and let them sponsored
[21:43] <asac> it doesn't matter that the package is yours ... its just matters that you prepared an update and found someone to sponsor it
[21:44] <asac> damn ... a game starts here now ... have to pack my things
[21:45] <Ubulette> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10084303/intlclock_1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2_source.changes
[21:45] <Ubulette> tiny but it's a fix :)
[21:50] <Ubulette> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev


[01:15] <Ahmuck_> ah, an easy determination.  edubuntu is for hojme users only
[01:17] <HedgeMage> How so?
[01:24] <Ahmuck_> any practical installation in a school system is going to have some type of server/client installation and utilities
[01:26]  * HedgeMage nods
[01:27] <HedgeMage> Well, get involved, give feedback, and pitch in and help fill in any gaps you've found.
[01:27] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:27] <Ahmuck_> localapps don't work
[01:27] <Ahmuck_> i've been in ltsp all night, and they don't show up on the menu
[01:27] <Ahmuck_> anywho, that is ltsp
[01:29] <Ahmuck_> anywho, it dawned on me, that any administrator of any school is going to want centralized management of apps.  edubuntu is really for home users.
[01:29] <Ahmuck_> HedgeMage: how would you suggest i get involved?
[01:31] <Ahmuck_> actually, i have a lot of "insight" to contribute, on how machines, users, etc. are managed, but i'm from the old unix world and then to windows then back to linux.  however outside of filing bug reports i'm not sure where i should be
[01:33] <Ahmuck_> having edubuntu seperated into "primary, k-3, 4-6, etc." was a real step.
[01:43] <HedgeMage> Ahmuck_: Well, for starters, what is your skill set, and what areas are you interested in enough to stick with?
[01:55] <Ahmuck_> i'm a tech, a publisher, with networking experience
[01:55] <Ahmuck_> i do managment, organization of people/things and connections
[01:55] <Ahmuck_> i've done scripting, and have started to file bug reports, out of sheer frustration
[01:59] <HedgeMage> A great thing to start with then, is to spec out tools thoroughly -- a lot of time the coders, when we have them, aren't sure what to code, or how to make it work most intuitively for schools.
[01:59] <HedgeMage> If you can do a little scripting, it wouldn't take too much to get you coding, either.
[01:59] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:00] <HedgeMage> You'll want to get pointers from someone more up-to-date than myself, too.  I've been nothing but a user the past couple of years, and that won't change until work and home calm down.
[02:04] <Ahmuck_> HedgeMage: i do screenies for tutorials, and do some teaching.  i'm also involved in a lot of volunteer work outside of the whole computer scope.  i'm also long suffering, i've been working with this for about 9 months now :/
[02:10]  * HedgeMage nods
[02:10] <HedgeMage> I'm sorry I'm not more useful, I've just been out of the thick of things for too long.
[02:58] <sbalneav> Evening all
[02:59] <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: All the rest of Ubuntu's documentation is in docbook.
[03:01] <sbalneav> Ahmuck_: And besides, if someone sends me something in OO.o, I've got no problem docbookifying it.
[04:07] <Ahmuck_> HedgeMage: i'm good at doing diagrams, if i have a clue what connects to what
[04:19] <Ahmuck_> nubea
[04:19] <Ahmuck_> nubae
[05:37] <southpaw> Hello, is there anybody who might be able to help me with a camera issue?
[05:38] <southpaw> I have a Canon G10 that is recognized by Edubuntu, will show the thumbnails of pictures when I open up the camera folders, but will not open the pictures themselves.
[05:38] <HedgeMage> southpaw: What format are the images in?
[05:38] <southpaw> .jpg
[05:38] <HedgeMage> That's odd.  What application are you trying to open them with?
[05:39] <southpaw> F-spot and normal Image Viewer.
[05:39] <southpaw> Also, Firefox won't open them either.
[05:39] <southpaw> They won't save to the desktop... :/
[05:40] <southpaw> I was thinking there might be some sort of driver that I was needing, though that didn't make much sense to me.
[05:40] <HedgeMage> How are you getting the images, by plugging in the camera to a USB port, or by reading the card directly?
[05:40] <southpaw> USB port.
[05:41] <HedgeMage> Does the camera have a card in it that you have a reader for?  That would tell us whether the problem is with the files or the camera.
[05:41] <southpaw> It has a 4GB SD card, which it's currently reading from.
[05:42] <HedgeMage> southpaw: do you have an SD card reader?
[05:42] <southpaw> well, this is odd. I was able to add a picture other than the one I wanted.
[05:43] <southpaw> I'm not sure what you mean, HedgeMage. An SD card reader for Ubuntu?
[05:44] <southpaw> Oddly enough, the pictures seem to be loading just fine now...
[05:44] <HedgeMage> southpaw: No, a piece of hardware you stick the card into
[05:44] <southpaw> Oh, no. But the pictures seem to be loading fine now.
[05:44] <HedgeMage> Ahh, if it just takes a long time that usually means you have a ton of pics it has to generate thumbnails for.
[05:45] <southpaw> ah, I see. Yeah, over 1300 pictures!
[05:45] <southpaw> hahaha
[05:45] <HedgeMage> that would do it
[05:45] <southpaw> Thanks for taking the time to help me out though.
[05:45] <southpaw> Much appreciated.
[05:45] <HedgeMage> np
[05:47] <Ahmuck_> SD card reader, a small device that plugs in usb to the computer and allows you to put your SD card into so that it can be read outside of your camera
[06:49] <d_rwin> my edubuntu 7.10 upgrade isnt working, how do I upgrade my repository sources list
[15:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[19:02] <humbolt> If I need network authentication, which is the most simple way to achieve that?
[19:21] <sbalneav> humbolt: Probably LDAP


[16:29] <Droxp> SO? how do this work?
[16:33] <pleia2> Droxp: the schedule is in the channel topic, nothing going on today, the next big event is next month: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[16:33] <pleia2> there may be some smaller events that get added between then and now, so always want to keep an eye on the schedule and http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/ for updates
[16:34] <Droxp> thak you very much
[17:21] <obounaim> pleia2, please add all the events to the Ubuntu classroom Google calender. Thanks in advance
[17:21] <pleia2> obounaim: we do
[17:22] <pleia2> we can't add open week yet because the schedule isn't done :)
[17:23] <obounaim> pleia2, ok I understand.
[17:23] <pleia2> the blog has updates as soon as we do calls for instructors, so it's always updated first
[17:25] <obounaim> That's good I am subscribed to the blog using Google Reader


[00:04] <Flannel> Geez rww, you're always hogging all of the banlist.
[01:13] <Unit193> ↑ #lubuntu* OP, which for some reason isn't on the access list here.
[01:13] <wxl> thank you sir
[01:13] <Unit193> (Still doesn't have +AVv)
[01:15] <k1l> welcome to the show :)
[01:15] <wxl> thank you thank you
[02:02] <k1l> done already
 Hey ilbelkyr
[02:40] <k1l> i suspect one of those 2 beeing a pm spammer
[02:41] <bazhang> thats letirghtonein
[02:42] <k1l> yeah, rightleft....  was the one. i suspect xc45 is it again
[04:02] <rww> 04:01 <-- Kessler<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Quit: Kessler)
[04:02] <rww> i wonder if the tor dnsbl is messed up again
[04:03] <rww> hrm, maybe not. check.torprojects.org doesn't see that as an exit node
[04:05] <rww> sigh, another list does though
[04:05] <rww> good job Tor project?
[10:15] <MrDrug> Why am I banned?
[10:15] <MrDrug> at #kubuntu?
[10:15] <MrDrug> it's on my VPN's IP
[11:29] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu ardian zero debugging of problems, seems to blame the kernel and suggest kernel changes
[11:30] <k1l_> i think you confused alkisg  with ardian
[11:31] <ikonia> idiot, thats twice now
[11:31] <ikonia> thanks k1l_
[11:31] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu alkisg zero debugging of problems, seems to blame the kernel and suggest kernel changes
[11:31] <k1l_> had to look twice, too. i am drinking my first coffee right now :)
[14:09] <k1l_> how to ban <IP_ADDRESS> - <IP_ADDRESS>?
[14:30] <k1l_> its one of the leaseweb ip ranges which is used for a lot of free proxy services.
 I'll just roll in on the next Tor node and resume trolling these nerds and you won't be able to do shit about it ^_^
[18:19] <k1l_> from [sooziqu] (~burv@2a02:2b88:2:1::3e3a:1): berv
[18:22] <ikonia> thats fine, let him do it
[18:22] <ikonia> as he shows up - you remove him,
[18:22] <ikonia> if we can't see him, it's because he's not causing a problem
[18:22] <k1l_> yep.
[18:23] <k1l_> but someone said freenode is blocking all tor nodes anyway.
[18:24] <ikonia> it should be
[18:24] <ikonia> so either a mistake, or he's just talking nonsense
[18:24] <Unit193> [23:02:27] <+rww> i wonder if the tor dnsbl is messed up again
[18:24] <Unit193> [23:03:23] <+rww> hrm, maybe not. check.torprojects.org doesn't see that as an exit node
[18:24] <Unit193> [23:05:15] <+rww> sigh, another list does though
[18:24] <Unit193> Basically, things break.


[12:38] <larsduesing> short question: Where should I ask, if I have troubles with make-kpkg and current git-kernel-tree?
[12:39] <larsduesing> "The changelog says we are creating 3.10.0-rc5+
[12:39] <larsduesing> However, I thought the version is 3.10.0-rc5
[12:39] <larsduesing> "
[12:40] <mitya57> sounds like a question for #ubuntu-kernel
[12:41] <larsduesing> ah
[12:41] <larsduesing> Thanks a lot, mitya57
[12:42] <mitya57> (but keep in mind that today is Saturday)
[12:43] <larsduesing> sure :)
[12:43] <larsduesing> I'm not in a hurry.
[16:32] <njin> Hallo fellows, where whoopsie store reports ( I need to recover some data to link to the teat case). Thanks.
[16:32] <njin> teat/test


[23:07] <moriba> HIGH SPEED TORRENT 2.0? is there anything for ubuntu/linux?
[23:16] <jdong> what the hell is high speed torrent?
[23:17] <jdong> oh it's a scam
[23:18] <jdong> a paypal scam, coupled with a modified bitlord that exploits peers


[10:32] <stulunk> when I try to install Ubuntu 10-04 the install got stop when it's come to the keyboards and I try to whrite my name
[10:33] <stulunk> after that I must reboot the computer
[10:34] <stulunk> I have download 2 different iso-files
[17:20] <brianherman> is phil here?
[22:35] <brianherman> !lastseen phil
[22:35] <ubot4> Factoid 'lastseen phil' not found
[22:35] <brianherman> !last phil
[22:35] <ubot4> Factoid 'last phil' not found


[12:55] <tony-smlr> We are about to go live: SMLR E261 (12/16/2017) Video: http://youtu.be/OvJQc0RQ1zM
[20:08] <gamerchick02_> w00t! ubuntu laptop back in business!!!
[20:14] <jrwren> yay!
[20:16] <cmaloney> Woo hoo
[20:30] <gamerchick02_> for sure! i thought i borked it but apparently i did not
[20:30] <gamerchick02_> got my extensions all setup too. gnome 3 is da bomb, even though i didn't like it before
[20:35] <gamerchick02_> i can't get over how fast this xps13 STILL is
[20:59] <dzho> what sort of extensions?
[20:59] <dzho> are these must have things that take GNOME 3 from less palatable to more palatable?
[21:09] <gamerchick02_> yes
[21:10] <dzho> if you care to share some names or whatnot, much obliged.
[21:13] <gamerchick02_> i'm using a workspace grid one, somafm, internet radio, ubuntu app indicators, ubuntu dock, and openweather
[21:13] <dzho> cool, thanks
[21:13] <gamerchick02_> there's more that can be installed via the website. these are just ones so i don't have to have a billion apps
[21:14] <gamerchick02_> you're welcome!


[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:48] <locodir-user> Hello!
[08:49] <locodir-user> I would liike to be a part of the Ubuntu loco team in India...
[08:49] <locodir-user> in this regards any directives / quick suggestions from anybody out there?
[22:59] <elacheche_anis> Have a great UGJ @*
[22:59] <elacheche_anis> We'll have non-stop UGJ here @Tunisia :D


[13:56] <jamespage> SpamapS, m_3 (or anyone else): any objections if I promulgate the hbase charm? it been pretty solid for me for at least a month now...
[14:20] <_mup_> Bug #987853 was filed: Juju Zookeeper node agent does not handle reboots <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/987853 >
[14:51] <negronjl> jamespage: I'm ok with it.
[14:51] <jamespage> negronjl, marvellous - ta
[15:59] <jcastro> ok folks, we have a Mac client!
[15:59] <jcastro> thanks to imbrandon! Round of applause please!
[16:00] <SpamapS> jamespage: has nobody reviewed it?
[16:04] <hazmat> bac, ping
[16:05] <hazmat> imbrandon, rockin
[16:05] <bac> hi hazmat, thanks for the patch.  i haven't had a chance to test it yet.  i'll do so right after lunch.
[16:06] <bac> hazmat: i assume that's what you wanted.  :)
[16:07] <imbrandon> :)
[16:07] <hazmat> bac, cool thanks, indeed it was.  i wasn't able to reproduce the original issue, but i've seen reports of it before relating to other cli commands, this should hopefully generically resolve them.. IFF the issue is the zk connection and not the ssh tunnel. if its  the tunnel or ssh process management then it won't help.
[16:08]  * imbrandon did not do too much, basicly the equiv of packaing a rpm/deb, but charm-tools is next and i'm FRACKIN exstatic on cloud 9 about omgubuntu.co.uk right now
[16:08] <bac> hazmat: ok, i'll let you know.  the original is easily reproduced so we should be able to see if it helps.
[16:08] <imbrandon> gotta spam this one line for our deploy a min ago me marcoceppi did : This rush generated 25,661 successful hits in 1.0 min and we transferred 1.98 GB of data in and out of your app. The average hit rate of 414/second translates to about 35,796,365 hits/day.
[16:09]  * imbrandon wants to frame those numbers
[16:09] <imbrandon> thats the juju omg wordpress charm on a single m1.small :)
[16:10] <hazmat> nice
[16:14] <imbrandon> me and marcoceppi gonna work on getting it split up now that there is suborainates into a nginx-proxy nginx wp-install and wp-site, i think is the tentive plan now :)
[17:04] <_mup_> Bug #987930 was filed: MAAS provider - Failure to bootstrap when no port is specified for maas-server <juju:Confirmed> <juju (Ubuntu):Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/987930 >
[19:27] <hazmat> DevOp Borat’s words: “Is all fun and game until you are need of put it in production.“
[19:42] <fwereade> hazmat, he's an icon to us all ;)
[20:30] <jcastro> SpamapS: anything to promulgate today?
[20:30] <jcastro> Last call for juju contributor release notes!
[20:31] <marcoceppi> jcastro:  I've got some bandwidth to do a review/promulgate
[20:37] <jcastro> it'd be nice to get drupal done and in
[20:37] <jcastro> imbrandon should totally be in there
[20:37] <imbrandon> ?
[20:38] <imbrandon> oh yea i broke the drupal one a little bit ago, if your finaly gonna prom it give me a few!
[20:39] <imbrandon> jcastro: and i think releaseing the omg one with marcoceppi was a good step too :)
[21:13] <robbiew> jcastro: ping
[21:14] <jcastro> robbiew: yo
[21:24] <adam_g> given the new features that allow hooks to act on other relations, what is the correct way to test that a relation actually exists?
[21:26] <jimbaker> adam_g, use relation-ids
[21:26] <adam_g> jimbaker: thats what i was trying to do. that will give me the list of interfaces, correct?
[21:27] <jimbaker> it will give a list of relation ids for a relation name
[21:27] <adam_g> relation-list seems to list names of related service units, which can be arbitrary depending on how its deployed
[21:27] <jimbaker> where the default is $JUJU_RELATION (if defined, as it would be in a relation hook)
[21:28] <adam_g> jimbaker: so, if i need to test the presence of a relation that provides some specific interface, i'd need to use a combination of relation-list + relation-ids ?
[21:28] <adam_g> (first time using any of this stuff, btw)
[21:29] <jimbaker> adam_g, you would need to something about the charm from metadata.yaml for any interface support
[21:29] <jimbaker> it was intentionally not added in core juju
[21:29] <jimbaker> speaking of non core juju, you might find this command useful: https://code.launchpad.net/~jimbaker/juju-jitsu/juju-do/+merge/103366
[21:30] <jimbaker> adam_g, i'm pretty certain one could readily write a command that parses the metadata, then does the test you asked, with this proposed juju-jitsu addition
[21:31] <adam_g> jimbaker: i need this to happen from within hooks, not outside
[21:32] <adam_g> jimbaker: i essentialy need to something like:  if RELATION_TO_FOO_EXISTS: configure_this_way() else: configure_that_way()
[21:33] <adam_g> jimbaker: since i can't count on service foo being named foo, i should be able to test that a relation to something that provides a known interface to foo exists, right?
[21:34] <jimbaker> adam_g, it's available in the topology, but was excluded from the support i just mentioned. maybe we could pilot something in juju-jitsu for that support, to see if it really makes sense?
[21:37]  * adam_g shrugs
[21:37] <jimbaker> adam_g, curiously enough, hazmat and bcsaller are discussing probably a better approach in #juju-dev
[21:38]  * hazmat unwinds a shrug
[21:38] <jimbaker> which is to convey the interface and the charm name in the relation, as i'm reading the discussion
[21:38] <jimbaker> much like ip addr
[21:39] <hazmat> adam_g, re some specific interface.. from the charm's perspective it knows what interface each rel name corresponds to
[21:39] <hazmat> adam_g, so relation-ids on the rel_name should suffice
[21:40] <hazmat> unless you also want to establish that its been joined at least in which case + rel-list
[21:41] <hazmat> hmm. i really want a list of subordinates
[21:42] <adam_g> hazmat: thats what i had originally thought, something like: for r in `relation-list` ; do relation-ids $r ; done
[21:43] <jimbaker> adam_g, that wouldn't work - you are getting members of the relation in relation-list
[21:43] <jimbaker> but you need a relation name for relation-ids
[21:43] <hazmat> adam_g, you've got your nesting inverted
[21:44] <hazmat> adam_g, so what's the use case?
[21:44] <adam_g> hmm. looks like i need to get a debug-hooks session going to grok this for real
[21:45] <hazmat> adam_g, for example if i'm in mediawiki  and i want to check on mysql from some other hook.. i could go rel_ids=`relation-ids mysql `  and then check if any of those have units.. although realistically in this case its only one.. (from the client side)
[21:45] <hazmat> unless its read-slave
[21:47] <_mup_> juju/relation-ids-whitespace-separated r532 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:47] <_mup_> Support smart formatting for relation-ids
[21:49] <jimbaker> hazmat, fyi, i need to get the above branch in to properly support things with relation-ids - currently relation-ids only output json
[21:49] <jimbaker> i will get it in shortly - just need a test
[21:51] <hazmat> jimbaker, gotcha
[21:52] <adam_g> hazmat: i'm basically trying to find a good common way of managing config files in this swift rewrite. i'd like to be able to use templated config files that change depending on relations to other services (specifically keystone).
[21:52] <adam_g> so that i can just write out a new template in every hook, instead of updating bits of config
[21:53] <hazmat> adam_g, templates in shell or via puppet?
[21:54] <hazmat> or where those in python?
[21:54] <adam_g> hazmat: python
[21:54] <adam_g> hazmat: just messing around right now to see what works best
[21:55] <jimbaker> adam_g, this seems closer to what is done in charm tools, such as charm splicing
[21:56] <adam_g> jimbaker: ?
[21:56] <jimbaker> in terms of ops on charms
[21:58] <adam_g> jimbaker: i dont know what charm splicing is.
[22:00] <jimbaker> adam_g, i'm not certain what the current state is, but conceptually it allows for one to compose a charm out of a set of mixin charms. most of this need goes away with subordinates, fwiw
[22:13] <_mup_> juju/relation-ids-whitespace-separated r533 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:13] <_mup_> Add verifying test
[22:19] <_mup_> Bug #988065 was filed: Support smart formatting for relation-ids command <juju:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/988065 >
[22:20] <jimbaker> hazmat, can you take a look at the above trivial?
[23:01] <SpamapS> jcastro: I'll hit the charm review queue today
[23:51] <hazmat> jimbaker, done thanks
[23:53] <jimbaker> hazmat, so is that a +1? ;)
[23:54] <hazmat> jimbaker, i dunno, does it do what its supposed to? that's unclear
[23:54] <hazmat> ie. should be newline separate as impl, or space separate per the doc string
[23:54] <hazmat> what's the spec say in regards to this
[23:55] <hazmat> and what's the common shell usage for iteration
[23:55] <jimbaker> hazmat, so shell takes whitespace separated. i think convention is one per line in shell too
[23:55] <jimbaker> the other convention in our code is relation-list, which does one per line
[23:56] <jimbaker> if for example, we have $ids=$(relation-ids db), then this will result in say "db:0 db:1"
[23:57] <hazmat> jimbaker, whitespace separate  .. means space separated
[23:57] <hazmat> to me anyways
[23:58] <hazmat> actually thats the common def
[23:58] <jimbaker> hazmat, it's a good question. my natural inclination was to join with a space, but we do have the existing convention in relation-list
[23:58] <jimbaker> but it's all good


[05:38] <Chat8986> hello all...
[05:48] <ball> I guess we weren't sufficiently chatty for Chat8986
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:04] <dscassel> Morning. :)
[14:05] <BluesKaj> hey dscassel
[20:27] <BluesKaj> BBL, stuff to do


[06:23] <apw> tsimonq2, we sometimes do ship -rcs in the development release yes
[06:56] <ejat> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1611124
[06:57] <ejat> so need to wait Intel release it publicly?
[07:00] <apw> ejat, yep, we can't ship that unless it is published
[07:00] <apw> ejat, that is for hardware you are unlikely to be able to obtain at the moment
[07:03] <ejat> apw: ok noted
[10:44] <tsimonq2> apw: ah ok
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg> leitao, hi, did you manage to fix the nm.d.o stuff?
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg> wrt frederuc
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg> frederic
[14:11] <leitao> LocutusOfBorg, hello. not yet. I am going to fix it later today. Does it work for you? Are you going to use my email to send yours?
[14:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't use your emai
[14:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I already have my endorsment written, just I would like to send it in a few hours/days, not sign it right now
[14:25] <LocutusOfBorg> if you need help with the nm website... I'm here to help
[14:29] <leitao> LocutusOfBorg, ok, let me prioritize it, then
[15:28] <cyphermox> rtg: -generic works; but I used to have -powerpc64-smp for 4.4.0-21, and I don't see a powerpc64-smp anymore, only powerpc64-emp, is that expected?
[15:29] <apw> cyphermox, there should be a transitional package for that
[15:30] <cyphermox> ok
[15:30] <apw> if there isn't it is broke
[15:30] <cyphermox> as long as it's expected that I should now use generic
[15:30] <apw> right we moved to having a -generic in all arches
[15:31] <cyphermox> well, looks like upgrading from 4.4 to 4.8 before transitioned to -generic correctly, so I suppose it's fine
[15:31] <rtg> cyphermox, yeah, what apw said
[15:31] <cyphermox> I was testing a kernel from rtg I installed manually.
[15:31] <rtg> cyphermox, did that solve the module load problem ?
[15:32] <cyphermox> rtg: looks that way, before it wouldn't complete booting.
[15:32] <cyphermox> I'm rebooting now to see if all works unattended
[15:32] <rtg> cyphermox, cool, remind me of the bug number please.
[15:39] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1628968
[15:41] <rtg> cyphermox, I'll get that revert on the k-team list for review
[15:41] <apw> rtg, that sounds nasty, as in release-critical for the media
[15:42] <rtg> apw, it certainly is for powerpc
[15:57] <broder> hey folks - can i do anything to encourage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/linux/+bug/1547231 to get included in the next trusty kernel release?
[16:09] <broder> (this has caused multiple production incidents for us at this point because a few of our processes have 10k-20k threads)
[16:29] <rbasak> FYI, bug 1628735 claims a regression in autofs behaviour due to a kernel update in xenial-security.
[16:52] <sforshee> rbasak: that's a dup of bug 1629204, and there's a patch on the list already.
[17:08] <rbasak> sforshee: thanks!
[18:40] <jderose> cyphermox: anything new with the yakkety shim issue? anyplace i could be helpful on that front?
[18:41] <cyphermox> no, I'm working on the revert right now, but this is more of a subject for -release ;)


[07:39] <sakhi> mooning
[07:44] <superfly> yo sakhi
[07:45] <linuxboy> yo superfly and sakhi
[07:45] <superfly> sup linuxboy
[07:54] <sakhi> yo linuxboy
[08:17] <nuvolari> o.O
[08:17] <nuvolari> what happened?
[10:43] <Kilos> lo superfly hows ya and the family. winter is close hey?
[10:44] <Kilos> morning everyone else
[10:44] <superfly> heya Kilos
[10:44] <superfly> yes, it's pretty cold in the evenings now
[10:45] <Kilos> saw an interesting thing in synaptic 'sugarplum' looks like it fights spam not just blocks it
[10:45] <Kilos> but i dont get any so was just interesting
[10:48] <superfly> Kilos: it's a tool for sysadmins
[10:49] <Kilos> ah
[11:00] <Kilos> hi Morganvd
[11:24] <Morganvd> hi Kilos
[12:41] <Morganvd> Maaz_: coffee on
[12:41]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[12:45] <nuvolari> o/
[12:45] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Morganvd!
[12:45] <nuvolari> contingency mangement...
[12:45] <Morganvd> hehe
[12:45] <Morganvd> Maaz_: thanks
[12:45] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Okay :-)
[12:46] <Kilos> well done Morganvd
[12:47] <Kilos> hehe
[12:48] <Kilos> Maaz_, wat eet ons
[12:48] <Maaz_> Rys vleis en aartapels
[12:48] <Kilos> Maaz_, wat eet ons vanaand
[12:48] <Maaz_> Enigiets met pap en sous Kilos Ek is gelukig met mikro organismes van die internet
[12:49] <Kilos> Maaz_, whats for lunch
[12:49] <Maaz_> Hmm Kilos . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well
[12:50] <Kilos> Maaz_, drop your tail
[12:50] <Maaz_> Kilos: Excuse me?
[12:50] <Kilos> grrr
[12:51] <Kilos> Maaz_, /nick
[12:51] <Maaz_> Kilos: What?
[12:51] <Kilos> um
[12:51] <Kilos> er
[12:51] <nuvolari> rys, vleis en aartapels... boere kos. Ek verlang huistoe nou.
[12:51] <Kilos> i give up
[12:52] <Kilos> hehe
[12:54] <Morganvd> thanks Kilos
[12:54] <Morganvd> why the _
[12:55] <Morganvd> Maaz_: /nick Maaz
[12:55] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Huh?
[12:55] <Kilos> he musta got disconnected and came back before his timeout
[12:55] <Morganvd> Maaz_, /nick Maaz
[12:55] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Huh?
[12:55] <Kilos> i think one needs to know the correct command and his bosses password
[12:56] <Morganvd> Maaz_: login
[12:56] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Sorry...
[12:57] <Morganvd> haha
[12:57] <Morganvd> Maaz_: n00b
[12:57] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Excuse me?
[12:57] <Kilos> hehe
[12:58] <Kilos> cocooncrash, if you not to busy will you please fix maaz_
[12:58] <Kilos> just a tail drop
[12:59] <Morganvd> Maaz_: /hop
[12:59] <Maaz_> Morganvd: Sorry...
[12:59] <cocooncrash> Maaz_: change nick to Maaz
[12:59] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Changing nick to Maaz
[12:59] <Kilos> thank you cocooncrash
[12:59] <Morganvd> can anyone do it
[12:59] <cocooncrash> Nope
[12:59] <Kilos> ?
[13:01] <Morganvd> Kilos: change nick to Madmax
[13:01] <Kilos> already in use
[13:02] <Kilos> ah mjaaz actually changed hosts
[13:02] <Kilos>   maaz not mjaaz
[13:02] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[13:03] <Kilos> Maaz, skuus man
[13:03] <Maaz> Moenie huil nie Kilos Jou beurt is jou beurt
[13:05] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[13:05] <Maaz> Kilos: In Lanseria, South Africa at 2:00 PM SAST on April 06, 2011: 18°C; Humidity: 77%; Wind: North at 11 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 6:18 AM SAST/6:00 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 8:38 AM SAST/7:36 PM SAST
[13:06] <Kilos> thought so. the idiot box just said its 20c
[16:16] <Squirm> hello
[16:16] <Squirm> where can I download a local release of Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[16:17] <tumbleweed> Maaz: ubuntu mirrors
[16:17] <Maaz> tumbleweed: ubuntu mirrors are http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/, http://ubuntu.saix.net/, http://mirror.is.co.za/, http://ftp.wa.co.za/, http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/
[16:17] <Squirm> thanks
[16:22]  * acherv say hello @all
[16:24] <nuvolari> o.O 11.04 is out?
[16:24] <tumbleweed> nuvolari: end of the month
[16:25] <nuvolari> oh, :P
[16:26] <nuvolari> Squirm: why do you aske now already?
[16:26] <queery> did someone create a event for the pretoria release on the loco site yet?
[16:28] <queery> ?
[16:38] <queery> can someone help me find the venue of the pretoria release party on google maps
[16:38] <queery> please
[16:42] <marcog> queery: what's the place called?
[16:42] <queery> http://www.karoocattleandland.com/
[16:42] <queery> I just need to know if it's the west or east corner
[16:42] <queery> got the spot on google maps: Nellmapius Drive and Van Ryneveld Avenue
[16:43] <marcog> oh, so not something i can help with i guess
[16:44] <queery> nope
[16:44] <queery> need the pretoria peeps to help
[16:45] <drubin> queery: email the list ask them to add it
[16:45] <queery> but im half way there
[16:45] <queery> all i need is to know
[16:45] <queery> left
[16:45] <queery> or right
[16:45] <queery> hehe
[16:45] <queery> im guessing right
[16:46] <queery> too bad if its whong
[16:46] <queery> its pretoria
[16:55] <queery> maaz, announce The Pretoria Release party will be help at KAROO - Cattle and Land please RSVP at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/864/detail/
[16:55] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! The Pretoria Release party will be help at KAROO - Cattle and Land please RSVP at http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/864/detail/
[16:56] <queery> maaz, announce on 30 April from 10am
[16:56] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! on 30 April from 10am
[16:58] <Squirm> nuvolari: I asked because I might as well download 11.04, then download 10.10 now and then 11.04 after the release. so ill just update 11.04 after the release
[16:58] <Squirm> especially if it takes 5 hours to download
[16:58] <drubin> nuvolari: is durban having a release party?
[16:59] <Squirm> bbl
[17:00] <marcog> drubin: have you applied for cd's yet?
[17:01] <drubin> marcog: not yet, I passed out last night
[17:02] <marcog> can i help at all?
[17:02] <drubin> Nope, I just need to fill in a tiny form this evening.
[17:02] <marcog> side-note: i see we're up to 23 yes and 26 maybe for release party :)
[17:02] <drubin> i saw
[17:03] <drubin> and lots of people will come with out actually bothering to reply
[17:03] <marcog> what was the size of the last one?
[17:03] <marcog> yup
[17:04] <queery> my mom is one of the maybe's so  dont count them all
[17:05] <marcog> heh
[17:05] <marcog> there a bunch of maybes in there that if one or two come, ten will
[17:05] <marcog> that i know of
[17:05] <queery> oh ok cool
[18:55] <Morganvd> evening all
[19:04] <Morganvd> so how is everyone tonight
[21:04] <drubin> marcog: done, and done.
[21:05] <Morganvd> he drubin
[21:05] <marcog> drubin: :)
[21:05] <Morganvd> im a little lost with ibid bot
[21:05] <marcog> so where did you end up choosing to ship it to?
[21:05] <drubin> Maia
[21:05] <marcog> kk
[21:05] <Morganvd> i cant figure out where to put the password for irc for bot toregister
[21:06] <drubin> I will make sure they land up in cpt as well
[21:06] <marcog> drubin: work out with bob to get some sent to it challenge finals
[21:06] <marcog> and then they can distribute it there
[21:06] <marcog> there are 9 universities meeting up
[21:07] <marcog> NWU, UP, Wits, UKZN, Rhodes, NMMU and the 3 cape universities
[21:09] <drubin> haven't seen bob in years.. is he still around?
[21:10] <marcog> of course he is :) he's stil studying at stellies
[21:10] <marcog> he's going to the finals
[21:15] <drubin> nice
[21:17] <marcog> unfortunately that doesn't mean all that much, as he had a grand total of 0 competition
[21:17] <marcog> literally
[21:17] <Morganvd> yay i got it
[21:21] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[12:07] <Hobbsee> allee: it should look like this?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9079
[12:09] <Hobbsee> or did i screw it up?
[12:10] <allee> Hobbsee: I can't tell.  because the picture in in pixel and the size of a pixel varies from monitor to monitor :(
[12:10] <Hobbsee> allee: well, more is the syntax correct?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> was what i was actually asking
[12:11] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, yes that's correct
[12:11] <Hobbsee> okay :)
[12:11] <allee> Hobbsee: no
[12:11] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[12:11] <Hobbsee> testing
[12:15] <Hobbsee> mmm...much nicer - pity fonts in system settings doesnt change *all* fonts no matter what, even if you've specified them in the past
[12:16] <allee> Hobbsee: not all fonts?  which apps do not change?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> the clock in the kicker, and kopete/konv which i'd changed previously
[12:16] <allee> Hobbsee: ah, btw.  congrats.  Now maybe the first time you realy see the size you've chosen in control center
[12:17] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> it all looks nicely spread out now :D
[12:17] <Hobbsee> openoffice doesnt take the font setting either
[12:18] <allee> Hobbsee: afaiu _Sime is fixing 'syncing dpi to gnome apps'
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:18] <Hobbsee> afaiu?
[12:19] <allee> I've read here about it, but have not seen the pkg nor tried it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:19] <allee> s/gnome/gtk/
[12:19] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:19] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[12:22] <allee> hmm, seem like fonts are now bigger in firefox than in konqueror. I remember it was vice versa before.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> yeah, mine have always been, unless i set it in the gtk-qt-thingo module in kcontrol to be a couple of font sizes less
[12:23] <Tm_T> Important bug in kwin rules gestion
[12:23] <Tm_T> ?!
[12:25] <allee> Hobbsee: xdpyinfo | egrep 'resolution|dimension'
[12:25] <Hobbsee>   dimensions:    1024x768 pixels (286x217 millimeters)
[12:25] <Hobbsee>   resolution:    91x90 dots per inch
[12:25] <allee> firefox assume 96 dpi here
[12:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:26] <allee> Hobbsee: so for you fonts should be same (assume gnome/gtk default font size and kde default are the same)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yeah they are now, i think
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:27] <allee> I have
[12:27] <allee>   dimensions:    1400x1050 pixels (287x215 millimeters)
[12:27] <allee>   resolution:    124x124 dots per inch
[12:27] <allee> so hopefully after dpi are synced Firefox match better here
[12:29] <Hobbsee> allee: your wiki is wrong - it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf not /etc/xorg.conf which is what i think you had
[12:35] <allee> bah, right or course.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:48] <allee> Hobbsee: is section Monitor example better?  See wiki
[12:49] <Hobbsee> allee: much better!
[12:49] <allee> buh, thx
[09:35] <viviersf> erm
[10:01] <viviersf> oi
[10:01] <viviersf> skaramba + xmms = :(
[11:05] <Riddell> viviersf: why?
[11:05] <viviersf> cos
[11:05] <viviersf> why does superkaramba need xmms
[11:06] <Riddell> it has an xmms plugin
[11:06] <viviersf> so superkaramba also needs like
[11:06] <viviersf> kweather
[11:06] <viviersf> etc ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> hi everyone
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell, sorry, I just saw I didn't upload the good version of knetswitch.... miss patches and cleaned tarball...
[11:30] <viviersf> btw Riddell , that moodin thing is basicly open version of linspires ksplash
[11:42] <Riddell> yes
[11:44] <Riddell> mornfall: we should have an "MP3 etc support" .desktop file along with adept-installer for libxine-extracodecs
[11:46] <Riddell> viviersf: we can compile superkaramba without xmms if there's reason it gets in your way
[11:46] <viviersf> would be nice Riddell
[11:46] <viviersf> see
[11:46] <viviersf> i dont believe in having 2 of the same thing install
[11:47] <viviersf> *installed
[11:47] <viviersf> i got amarok
[11:47] <viviersf> impi will have superkaramba
[11:47] <viviersf> but i dont want xmms aswell
[11:47] <viviersf> also
[11:47] <viviersf> is that gonna drop xmms support in karamba ?
[11:47] <Riddell> yes it will
[11:48] <viviersf> ok
[11:48] <viviersf> then dont do it
[11:48] <viviersf> :)
[11:49] <Riddell> sorted
[11:53] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32442 "Fonts in KDE/Kubuntu turned huge"  hmm, we're probably going to get a lot of these
[11:57] <viviersf> lol Riddell
[11:57] <Tonio__> hi again
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell ping ?
[11:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: oyo
[11:58] <Riddell> yo
[11:58] <Tonio_> hi Riddell... working with windows :-(
[11:59] <Tonio_> I have uploaded a bad version of knetswitch
[11:59] <Riddell> what's wrong with it?
[11:59] <Tonio_> I have the good one here but cannot pbuild (windows inside)
[11:59] <Tonio_> lintian warnings, no kdepot patch, no .desktop patch etc.....
[12:00] <Tonio_> if I send you the link of the good package, can you pbuild and upload it to revu ?
[12:00] <Riddell> sure
[12:00] <Tonio_> thanks ;) windows is a pain, really.......
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/566485
[12:01] <Tonio_> here are the links, not sure if it builds, but it should :)
[12:02] <Riddell> hmm, it needs a root password to run
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell the application ?
[12:03] <Riddell> knetswitch desperately needs to learn how to layout UIs so they aren't a fixed width
[12:03] <Tonio_> I didn't test it, just had the time to test gnetswitch, which works nicelly
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho damn.... doesn't sound good
[12:05] <Riddell> needing a root password to run is a blocker
[12:05] <Riddell> since not all users will be in the admin group, they won't be able to run it
[12:07] <viviersf> hmmm moodin is l33t
[12:08] <hunger> What is moodin?
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't it make usage of sudo ? I didn't have problems with gnetswith
[12:09] <Tonio_> hunger: a kdm theme engine, very nice one ;)
[12:09] <Tonio_> dapper will use a moodin theme by default
[12:10] <hunger> Tonio_: Then I will see it eventually.
[12:10] <hunger> Tonio_: It is not yet used, is it?
[12:10] <viviersf> you guys know of aby bugs with : run
[12:10] <viviersf> ?
[12:10] <hunger> viviersf: run what?
[12:11] <hunger> The run command thingy works great for me.
[12:11] <viviersf> hmmm
[12:11] <viviersf> doesnt work in my virtual machine
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, and not all user accounts can use sudo
[12:12] <hunger> viviersf: You are refering to the Alt-F2 dialog, aren't you?
[12:12] <viviersf> yes
[12:13] <viviersf> but
[12:13] <viviersf> the one in the menu doesnt work either
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell, what is the difference on that point kwifimanager or knetworkconf ? they do require admin access to configure interfaces too
[12:15] <Tonio_> or am I missing something ?
[12:16] <hunger> What is the recommended way to use WLAN in kubuntu anyway?
[12:16] <Tonio_> hunger, unfortunately nothing.....
[12:16] <Tonio_> all existing tools don't really work for the moment
[12:17] <hunger> no progress in that area for over a year now.
[12:17] <Tonio_> dapper+1 will have knetworkmanager, but actually kwifimanager is bugging, knetworkmanager too.... don't know about this knetswitch cause I couldn't test it anyway
[12:18] <hunger> I really wonder why the kde guys have not come up with something yet.
[12:18] <Tonio_> hunger, agree with you on that point
[12:18] <hunger> Tonio_: breezy was supposed to have network-manager! Then it was dapper... now it is dapper+1.
[12:18] <Tonio_> hunger, I know ;)
[12:18] <hunger> Lets hope the mess will indeed get fixed till then.
[12:18] <viviersf> heh
[12:19] <viviersf> new impi gonna have qt network tool
[12:19] <hunger> Tonio_: I am not complaining... just depressed.
[12:19] <viviersf> maby part of it will be pushed to kubuntu
[12:19] <hunger> And I am definitly not complaining about the ubuntu-people. Not their fault that nothing works properly.
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: fair point
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: revus done
[12:53] <mornfall> Riddell: shouldn't be a problem, just drop in a .desktop file into /usr/share/app-install/desktop/
[01:34] <viviersf> Riddell, who does the usplash img for kubuntu ?
[01:34] <Riddell> viviersf: sladen
[01:34] <Riddell> because I wouldn't let him go to sleep until he'd done it
[01:35] <viviersf> haha
[01:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well if he's done it, can we have a look at it?
[01:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's been in since breezy
[01:41] <Hobbsee> ah, i thought you ment tonight :)
[01:42] <Hobbsee> s/ment/meant - i cant spell tonight!
[02:28] <Hobbsee> night all - see you in a few more hours...
[02:47] <Tonio_> re
[02:47] <Tonio_> Riddell, I was just looking at revu, doesn't gnetswitch run ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> works for me....
[02:47] <Riddell> segfaults straight away for me
[02:47] <Tonio_> hum strange...
[02:47] <Riddell> yes
[02:48] <Tonio_> you're right for the licence in copyright.... I didn't have much time to package them so I did quick....
[02:48] <Tonio_> I will update them toonight, shouldn't be long
[02:49] <Riddell> knetswitch managed to crash when I tried to setup my wifi interface
[02:49] <Tonio_> okay, I didn't have any technical possibility to test this one....
[02:49] <Tonio_> maybe it is a bit too young to be added to universe
[02:50] <Tonio_> I will discuss with upstreams about improvements to perform, packaging for dapper+1 and eventually backporting them for dapper
[02:50] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:50] <Tonio_> Riddell, there are to much problems to be okay for tomorrow????
[02:51] <Tonio_> s/????/...., sorry
[02:51] <Riddell> I'm happy to upload netswitch and knetswitch if you fix the copyright issue and find someone else to revu
[02:51] <Riddell> hi freeflying
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell, okay, that's the most important
[02:51] <freeflying> Riddell: mvo has talked about scim and skim with me
[02:51] <Tonio_> gnome already has good tools for the network config
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell, I will try to correct them today, but with windows, it'll be hard ;)
[02:52] <freeflying> Riddell: he agree on adding IM variable into scim/skim ,so shall I modify skim for that ?
[02:53] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if it can be done without getting in the way of non-skim users
[02:54] <freeflying> Riddell: but if we add that into scim/skim , all user will have scim/skim startup when they loginto their desktop
[02:55] <Riddell> freeflying: that's what I thought, so we can't really do that
[02:55] <freeflying> Riddell: the bset way is add them into langauge-pack-zh/ko/ja-base
[02:58] <freeflying> Riddell: or let the postintall of language-pack- ppackage do it
[02:58] <freeflying> s/ppackage/package
[02:59] <Riddell> I agree
[03:00] <freeflying> But pitti don't agree
[03:00] <Riddell> bah
[03:01] <freeflying> hwo can we persuade pitti for that
[03:04] <freeflying> Riddell: may you set this Bug31149 fixed , for ttf-arphic-uming is reverted
[03:06] <Riddell> done
[03:06] <Riddell> I'll talk to pitti when I have a moment
[03:07] <Tonio_> Riddell, just reuploaded the two packages
[03:08] <Tonio_> raphink is revuing them, and I'll let you know if it okay for him
[03:08] <Tonio_> I didn't touch gnetswitch, too late to investigate, and not as important as knetswitch...
[03:08] <Riddell> it could just not like me, someone else might have it working fine :)
[03:11] <jjesse> is there a reason that adept updater does not show any new updates but apt-get dist-upgrade showed 25 that needed to be installed?
[03:11] <mornfall> jjesse: could you be more specific?
[03:13] <jjesse> sure as of this morning the adept-update-notifier ( i think that is the one that sits in the system tray) showed no updates, yet sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade showed 25 updates and 8 new packages to be installed
[03:14] <mornfall> jjesse: notifier does not do apt-get update... and you may have the cronjob turned off
[03:14] <jjesse> mornfall: how do I turn the cron job on?  shouldn't it be on by default?
[03:15] <mornfall> i'd believe it would
[03:15] <mornfall> but i somehow doubt it is my competence to decide that
[03:15] <mornfall> i did not turn it on here and it's on
[03:15] <jjesse> Riddell: what do you think about that, shouldn't it run automatically?
[03:16] <mornfall> i still think it should be solved at the cronjob level not at notifier level
[03:16] <allee> What can/should I do about rsibreak (REVU) codeine (in NEW) ?      # toma ping ;) so you find this later
[03:16] <mornfall> it's easy to implement apt-get update thingy but, uhm, evil
[03:16] <jjesse> mornfall: then the doc should include how to turn on the cron job
[03:17] <mornfall> i don't write docs though... it's in /etc/apt/ somewhere
[03:17] <mornfall> (probably apt.conf.d or somesuch)
[03:17] <jjesse> mornfall: grin i'm supposed to update the adept guide :)
[03:18] <mornfall> and it's a bit late to include a gui thingy to turn it on (feature freeze)
[03:18] <Tm_T> sad, I can't use composite in KDE
[03:18] <Tm_T> doesn't work very well
[03:19] <jjesse> understand that
[03:20] <freeflying> why package in debian sid has not a .orig.tar.gz ?
[03:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: we're going to need a new kubuntu-default-settings soon so we can set the default fonts to something sane, else the number of "KDE fonts huge" bugs will explode
[03:30] <Tonio_> yep
[03:31] <freeflying> Riddell: what will be the default font for kubuntu
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell, it is finished, just need to look with amarok
[03:31] <Tonio_> I can send it to you during the meeting toonight
[03:31] <Tonio_> everything is integrated, including the new kdm theme etc....
[03:32] <Tonio_> freeflying, DejaVu, 9
[03:35] <freeflying> anyone would reiew on this for me http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1957
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying: it needs a .orig/.diff.gz, not a native package
[03:37] <freeflying> Riddell: I wonder why no orig file in debian sid pool
[03:38] <Riddell> freeflying: almost all packages in debian should have .orig files
[03:38] <Riddell> only ones which don't are packages of programs made only for debian
[03:38] <Tonio_> Riddell, just found the problem with amarok :)
[03:38] <Tonio_> I can send you the package immediately
[03:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[03:38] <Tonio_> 	install -m644 artwork/metabar/*  "$(SETTINGS_DIR)/kde-profile/default/share/apps/amarok/themes/kubuntu"
[03:38] <freeflying> Riddell: http://packages.qa.debian.org/t/ttf-alee.html
[03:38] <Tonio_> s/metabar/amarok
[03:39] <Riddell> freeflying: you win, guess the debian packager did it wrongly :)
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: also there no diff.gz
[03:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: aah
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: I also wonder how can it be in debian's pool
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying: packages either have .orig/.diff.gz  or just a .tar.gz (which is called a native package)
[03:41] <freeflying> Riddell: native file can be included into debian ?
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell, just writting the changelog and send you the package
[03:42] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, it's idended for programmes which are made only for debian without an upstream release (e.g. adept)
[03:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: put it on revu
[03:42] <Riddell> if you can
[03:43] <freeflying> Riddell: got it , thx , so this package need repackage for ubuntu ?
[03:43] <Tonio_> Riddell, I will
[03:45] <Riddell> freeflying: it's probably not worth repackaging it for ubuntu, we can just sync from debian
[03:46] <Riddell> native packages make it harder to keep updated since you don't know what changes you've made, but as long as the debian packager keeps it up to date there's no advantge to us changing the package
[03:47] <freeflying> Riddell: then it's hard for those type package been included into main ?
[03:51] <Riddell> freeflying: no that won't be a problem, as I say so long as debian keeps the package up to date we just use that (even if the packaging is less than perfect)
[03:52] <freeflying> Riddell: can this package be synced from debian ?it will fix bugs #6439
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddelllittle question cause I don't have a dapper machine here
[03:55] <Tonio_> Riddell, is there an entry in K menu, System, for Konqueror using filemanagement profile ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> Riddell, because you asked, I tried to change konq's minimum font size to 8, but that causes problem
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: still have kubuntu CD? there are too much request for it now ?
[04:01] <Tonio_> Riddell, with dpi set, 7 corresponds to 8 in css, with is very commonly used on the web...
[04:01] <Tonio_> verdana 8 is maybe the most commonly used font used today...
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: not many, but e-mail me your postal address again and I'll see if I have any boxes spare after FOSDEM this weekend
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying: and I haven't had any photos of happy chinese kubuntu CD receivers :)
[04:02] <freeflying> Riddell: it's easy , but you shall pay me the postage this time
[04:03] <freeflying> :)
[04:03] <Riddell> freeflying: send me the receipts or photos of receipts and I'll send you the postage
[04:05] <freeflying> Riddell: I'll send it you , hmm
[04:06] <seth|lappy> why does https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-February/006702.html have a debian version number when it isn't in Debian?
[04:06] <seth|lappy> or can I just not find it there
[04:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1958 <- k-d-s uploaded
[04:09] <seth|lappy> tabs on top for Konversation? Oh sadness.
[04:09] <seth|lappy> default theme Square? More sadness.
[04:09] <seth|lappy> All other things: goodness
[04:09] <seth|lappy> :P
[04:11] <allee> Riddell: What can/should I do about rsibreak (REVU) codeine (in NEW) ?      # toma ping ;) so you find this later
[04:11] <jjesse> mornfall: i've been thinking about the adept-update-notifer, how does it know if there are updates available if it is not doing an apt-get update ??
[04:12] <mornfall> jjesse: it looks at cache timestamp, so if something does apt-get update it notices
[04:12] <freeflying> Mez: ping
[04:12] <mornfall> that something is usually the cronjob
[04:12] <allee> jjesse: mhh, maybe just a head and if-modified size request on security Packages.gz
[04:13] <allee> s/size/since/
[04:13] <Riddell> allee: NEW will be processed eventually, I've seen a few things processed today
[04:13] <allee> 'k
[04:14] <Riddell> allee: UVF exceptions should be requested on ubuntu-motu (but check on #ubuntu-motu if you want to confirm)
[04:14] <Riddell> allee: you need to include a rationale (i.e. does it fix more things than it breaks)
[04:14] <allee> Riddell: I added a comment on revu about the rationale
[04:15] <Riddell> allee: you'll need to post to ubuntu-motu mailing list (or find someone else to do it)
[04:16] <allee> Riddell: 'k I'll go first irc then ml
[04:16] <jjesse> the notifier does not start by default correct?
[04:16] <Riddell> jjesse: it does now (just not in flight 4)
[04:16] <jjesse> sorry for what may seem like stupid questions, but need to document how to get it working
[04:16] <jjesse> but if the notifier starts by default but doesn't check for updates is it giving the user a false sense that there are no updates?
[04:17] <Riddell> jjesse: it does check for updates, it just doesn't run apt-get update itself
[04:17] <jjesse> Riddell: then why did i not having any updates until i ran apt-get update?
[04:17] <Riddell> but the cronjob will run within 24 hours and adept-notifier will notify then
[04:17] <jjesse> once again probablly stupid questions
[04:18] <Riddell> jjesse: probably you don't have the cronjob running, I forget the command to check for that
[04:18] <jjesse> is the cronjob setup by default then? i didn't add a cron job i know that :)
[04:19] <mornfall> [NOTRASH] morn@lor-k-dapper/k3:~ -> apt-config dump | grep Period | grep Lists
[04:19] <Mez> freeflying, ping
[04:19] <mornfall> APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1";
[04:19] <freeflying> Mez: how about backport scim and skim now ?
[04:20] <Riddell> hmm, that command gives no output
[04:20] <Riddell> that's not good
[04:21] <Mez> freeflying, backports are currently impossible with soyuz
[04:21] <Mez> plus... scim doesnt seem to want to pick up the control hack
[04:31] <Riddell> mornfall: turns out update-notifier includes a file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic which is what turns on the daily update
[04:31] <Riddell> so adept should include the same file, probably as /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/11periodic
[04:32] <mornfall> aha
[04:32] <mornfall> fun :)
[04:32] <mornfall> now the question is how update-notifier made it to my system
[04:32] <mornfall> but yes, cool with me
[05:10] <jpatrick> Riddell: kautoclick is in
[05:51] <allee> uhm, something in todays updates is a bit picky.  First konversation hangs now kmail :(  Rebooting and crossing my finger that I get my 99% finished mail back ...
[06:23] <allee> 96 dpi fake on 124 dpi is no good, sorry. I tried, I give up. 15 minutes and my eyes start hurting.  Even moving the monitor 15 cm nearer to my eyes does help.
[06:40] <_Sime> allee: what does xdpyinfo have to say about your screen size and resolution?
[06:42] <allee> _Sime: hi just wanted to ping you.  See http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/snapshot-fake-and-real.png
[06:43] <allee> _Sime: from displayconfig-restore.py it looks like (width,height,width_mm,height_mm) = xserver.getScreens()[0] .getDimensions()  give back garbage
[06:44] <allee> _Sime: how can I run this without logout/in  (I would like add some print statementes)
[06:48] <hunger> Ahhh... I see moodin in the archives!
[06:49] <jpatrick> hunger: yep, got there yesterday
[06:49] <hunger> jpatrick: Wasn't there 2h ago:-)
[06:50] <_Sime> allee: just looking at the code. I screwed up on of the calculations. :-/ ( where displayconfig-restore.py averages the v + h DPIs)
[06:50] <jpatrick> hunger: I saw yesterday afternoon
[06:50] <hunger> jpatrick: Lucky you:-)
[06:51] <jpatrick> (it is my package ;-) )
[06:51] <hunger> jpatrick: So I'll log out and take a look at it.
[06:52] <allee> _Sime: he, he.    but 124 + (124/2) => 186 what is bigger than 140  ?   But xft.dpi is 96 not 186
[06:54] <hunger> jpatrick: NICE!
[06:55] <allee> _Sime: w_dpi and h_dpi is also wrong
[06:55] <hunger> Will kdm get a similar theme as well?
[06:55] <allee> dpi = dots/mm * 25.4
[06:55] <jpatrick> hunger: which is why we chose it =)
[06:55] <allee> _Sime: I'll fix it and try ...
[06:55] <Riddell> _Sime: how can I use a qt iterator in pyqt since python doesn't like ++ ?
[06:56] <hunger> Too bad that it isen't visible for longer:-)
[06:59] <allee> no obvious difference between 120 dpi (approx) and 124 (real), good.  See http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/snapshot-fake-approx-and-real.png
[06:59] <hunger> How can I remove the outdated ksplash-engines?
[06:59] <jpatrick> hunger: which theme are you using?
[06:59] <hunger> jpatrick: For what?
[06:59] <jpatrick> moodin
[06:59] <hunger> jpatrick: Are there several?
[06:59] <jpatrick> yep
[07:00] <jpatrick> just search for it at kde-look.org
[07:01] <hunger> jpatrick: I am using ksplash-engine-moodin.
[07:01] <jpatrick> default then i guess
[07:01] <hunger> jpatrick: I won't hunt around for eye candy:-)
[07:02] <jpatrick> hunger: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29426
[07:03] <hunger> jpatrick: That is not what I am seeing...
[07:03] <jpatrick> ?
[07:05] <hunger> jpatrick: kcontrol->appearance & Themes->splash screen->moodinKDE.
[07:05] <jpatrick> hunger: it still has to go to kubuntu-default-settings
[07:06] <hunger> jpatrick: So I'll wait for that to happen:-)
[07:08] <allee> logout/in ...
[07:10] <kmon> hi
[07:10] <hunger> Hi there.
[07:12] <kmon> I've noticed my fonts where changed recently, can I ask what package changed this? kubuntu-meta?
[07:12] <hunger> kmon: Did they change in size?
[07:12] <kmon> yep
[07:13] <hunger> kmon: That should have been caused by "fixing" the screen resolution to 100dpi.
[07:13] <hunger> kmon: Ask Tonio_ how he did that.
[07:13] <kmon> I see.
[07:13] <kmon> Ok, the problem is that they look very big in my laptop
[07:14] <kmon> I don't know if anyone else has the same impression
[07:14] <hunger> kmon: Either change the resolution back or change the fonts.
[07:14] <kmon> I've done the latter
[07:14] <hunger> kmon: The problem (as I see it) is that most apps assume 100dpi...
[07:15] <allee> _Sime: this seems to fix it: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xg35jG24.html
[07:15] <hunger> kmon: I hate the idea of fixing the resolution to some basically random value, but it looks like this fixes font issues for lots of people.
[07:16] <kmon> hunger: ok, thanx for the explanation
[07:16] <hunger> kmon: You are welcome.
[07:21] <kmon> bye
[07:31] <pef> hello
[07:39] <allee> hunger: It's better that in the sense that most monitor have ~ 96 dpi (new default for dpi < 140) and not 75 dpi (old fallback if driver gets it wrong)
[07:40] <Tm_T> I used to force dpi to wrong to get fonts smaller
[07:43] <Tonio_> hunger, fonts are not forced within kubuntu-default-settings
[07:44] <Tonio_> but the default font size will be change within that package soon
[07:44] <_Sime> Riddell: what do you want to iterate over? (for x in qThingy: print x ?)
[07:45] <Riddell> _Sime: ah, I can do a for loop over a qt iterator?
[07:45] <Riddell> it's a qlistviewitemiterator
[07:45] <Riddell> I discovered iterator += 1 works
[07:45] <_Sime> Riddell: try looping over the container  itself.
[07:45] <_Sime> allee: yes, that code looks better.
[07:46] <Riddell> now I'm wondering why my application seems to consider itself ascii
[07:49] <_Sime> This DPI bug seems to be really p*ssing people off.
[07:49] <_Sime> Riddell: if you want a fixed and updated guidance release right now, then let me know.
[07:50] <_Sime> Riddell: and I'll put one up on the site.
[07:50] <hunger> _Sime: It is a bug? I thought it was supposed to be a feature?
[07:50] <_Sime> hunger: it is a buggy feature.
[07:50] <Riddell> _Sime: no rush
[07:50] <hunger> _Sime: and so far I just saw the to be expected problems.
[07:51] <hunger> _Sime: Like ppl having to change font sizes.
[07:51] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, it can wait to next week.
[07:51] <_Sime> hunger: some people got the (way!) wrong DPI setting which was a lot more disturbing that desired.
[07:51] <_Sime> s/that/than/
[07:52] <hunger> _Sime: When is the dpi set at all?
[07:52] <_Sime> Riddell: BTW, I keep the Changelog for Guidance up to date in SVN if you want to track fixes. :)
[07:52] <hunger> _Sime: Nothing changed here... maybe because I hardcoded my settings into xorg.conf?
[07:52] <_Sime> hunger: during login/KDE startup.
[07:53] <_Sime> hunger: for most people the change in DPI should be just slight.
[07:53] <hunger> _Sime: Even if the dpi value is set up?
[07:53] <_Sime> hunger: what do you mean?
[07:55] <_Sime> hunger: what did you have in xorg.conf?
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: I set the screen resolution there and the size (in mm).
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: X calculates the dpis from there during startup.
[07:56] <_Sime> hunger: yes, but what *was* your DPI?
[07:56] <hunger> _Sime: 131dpi
[07:58] <jpatrick> hello nlindblad
[07:58] <_Sime> hunger: when things are working you should get 120 DPI.
[07:58] <_Sime> hunger: not a big change in that case.
[07:58] <hunger> _Sime: Why? That is definitly wrong.
[07:58] <jjesse> Riddell: when you get a chacne can you talk w/ mdke on #ubuntu-doc in regards to what he needs to do to get things looking correctly on doc.ubuntu.com
[07:58] <hunger> _Sime: 131dpi is exactly the right setting.
[08:00] <_Sime> hunger: http://pastebin.com/567194
[08:00] <nlindblad> hi jpatrick
[08:01] <hunger> _Sime: Outch... a ugly hack for a broken environment.
[08:02] <hunger> _Sime: How do I turn that of?
[08:02] <_Sime> hunger: that's life
[08:05] <nlindblad> jpatrick: long time since we spoke dude
[08:05] <hunger> Ah! I already have guidance turned off:-) No wonder it doesn't mess with my settings.
[08:06] <hunger> Why is this kde-guidance? Dosn't this apply to ubuntu just as well?
[08:09] <_Sime> DPI is directly selectable in gtk/gnome. So there it is already kind of worked out.
[08:11] <Riddell> jjesse: he should know, the files need to be put at /stable on the webserver
[08:13] <jjesse> Riddell: i thouhgt you mentioned something about him missing the kdelibs or something?
[08:16] <allee> _Sime: Little fake dpi demo  snapshot-pseudo-dpi-demo.png snapshot-pseudo-dpi-demo1.png at http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/
[08:17] <Riddell> jjesse: that where the files are yes (I think)
[08:17] <nlindblad> how come there's still not a standard for whether to use /mnt or /media?
[08:19] <allee> nlindblad: FHS is pretty clear about what /mnt is for
[08:20] <allee> nlindblad: before they came up with /media  the used /mnt, due to lack in phantasie
[08:20] <jpatrick> nlindblad: sorry about that, X froze
[08:21] <nlindblad> allee: yeah
[08:22] <nlindblad> allee: but it would be more logical with just /media
[08:24] <nlindblad> jpatrick: oh
[08:24] <nlindblad> jpatrick: bad driver?
[08:24] <jpatrick> no
[08:24] <jpatrick> lack of RaM
[08:24] <jpatrick> RAM*
[08:24] <nlindblad> how much?
[08:25] <jpatrick> I have 128
[08:25] <nlindblad> oh, :(
[08:25] <nlindblad> that's not much
[08:25] <jpatrick> which is why I need that new computer
[08:25] <nlindblad> yeah
[08:25] <jjesse> my test machine has less then that and it runs dapper fine :)
[08:25] <nlindblad> my server, the "crappiest" box I own, has 256MiB
[08:31] <nlindblad> jpatrick: what do you intend to buy then?
[08:32] <jpatrick> I'm not buying it
[08:32] <nlindblad> okey
[08:32] <nlindblad> stealing?
[08:32] <nlindblad> you know that's illegal, right?
[08:33] <jpatrick> apparently my schools giving me one because 1) they have one extra 2) I'm a geek
[08:33] <nlindblad> and it's better than your current?
[08:33] <jpatrick> dunno yet
[08:34] <nlindblad> that's a very long time
[08:34] <nlindblad> still not paid?
[08:34] <jpatrick> no
[08:34] <nlindblad> okey
[08:34] <nlindblad> so, you just sleep till noon then IRC all day?
[08:35] <jpatrick> :)
[08:35] <nlindblad> I take that as a yes
[08:35] <jpatrick> I go cycling and other stuff
[08:35] <jpatrick> mostly homeowkr
[08:36] <nlindblad> okey
[08:36] <Lure> _Sime: I think they just discuss DPI issue with your script in #kubuntu
[08:37] <nlindblad> Lure: yes
[08:37] <nlindblad> and they seem to have a fix
[08:52] <jpatrick> not much on the agenda today
[09:04] <allee> raphink: meeting
[10:37] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/22-02-06
[10:40] <jpatrick> ah silence is golden...
[10:45] <jpatrick> night
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uh oh...
[10:50] <seaLne> is the irc log mentioned on the wiki just not generated yet or is it wrong?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> probably not generated yet - the IRC logs will be there though
[10:51] <Hobbsee> from the link that's on that wiki page
[10:52] <seaLne> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2006-02-22.html 404s
[10:52] <seaLne> for me anyway and its not in the directory listing
[10:53] <Hobbsee> seaLne: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-current.html
[10:53] <seaLne> ah, doh :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm so sorry!
[11:17] <Hobbsee_away> darn
[12:00] <mornfall> Hobbsee_away: you are she?
[12:00] <mornfall> interesting :-)
[12:06] <Hobbsee_away> mornfall: no, i'm a male with a first name of sarah :P