[00:38] <nsaunders> how do I start or run jetty from the cli? headless
[00:39] <oerheks> 1st hit when i look for a howto
[00:39] <oerheks> https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-jetty-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[00:40] <oerheks> you might need to forward the port in your firewall?
[00:40] <oerheks> or second url might be more simple.. https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-jetty-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[00:43] <juanonymous> if i see this error Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings
[00:44] <juanonymous> what do i need to do to correct that?
[00:44] <juanonymous> sudo apt update
[00:44] <juanonymous> sudo apt upgrade
[00:44] <juanonymous> will it correct the case?
[00:45] <oerheks> juanonymous, what command did you use, do-release-upgrade?
[00:46] <juanonymous> nope i just sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[00:47] <Bashing-om> juanonymous: End_Of_Life install ? what shows ' lsb_release -a ' ?
[00:47] <juanonymous> then i see a message that my server needs to be restarted for the update and upgrade to be applied
[00:48] <juanonymous> btw in addition canonical livepatch is enabled
[00:48] <juanonymous> No LSB modules are available.
[00:48] <juanonymous> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[00:48] <juanonymous> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[00:48] <juanonymous> Release:	18.04
[00:48] <juanonymous> Codename:	bionic
[00:49] <juanonymous> but getting back, i rebooted the server
[00:49] <juanonymous> and when it booted
[00:49] <juanonymous> there's that message
[00:49] <I_AM_EJACULATING> hello
[00:49] <juanonymous> Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings
[00:53] <oerheks> seems like a MOTD issue https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2391641
[00:54] <oerheks> fix: sudo truncate -s 0 /var/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/release-upgrade-available
[00:57] <juanonymous> thanks
[00:58] <juanonymous> what does truncate -s 0 means btw?
[01:01] <oerheks> truncate - shrink or extend the size of a file to the specified size
[02:34] <HickorySmokedBac> I wonder how Ubuntu is with HP printer/scanner combos?  Or is Brother still the way to go for linux ease?
[02:34] <bparker> works out of the box
[02:35] <I_AM_EJACULATING> I used to have a boyfriend named "Ubuntu"
[02:35] <oerheks> HP-lip is great
[02:35] <I_AM_EJACULATING> he would "play the bongos" on my ass
[02:35] <oerheks> !ops
[02:38] <bparker> nice
[02:38] <bparker> HickorySmokedBac: https://i.imgur.com/GDUOxu6.png
[02:38] <bparker> I didn't have to do anything, it just showed up already as an available printer and worked
[02:38] <bparker> zero config needed
[03:02] <oerheks> bug !1
[03:02] <oerheks> bug #1
[03:50] <neildugan> Does anyone know what system 'Virtual Machine Manager' use to connect the graphical display to the VM?
[04:04] <analogical> is there a way to make a usbstick with Ubuntu boot completely to RAM that lets me remove the usbstick after the boot is completed?
[04:05] <bparker> with the toram argument
[04:05] <bparker> on kernel command-line
[04:06] <analogical> lol you're here too
[05:08] <quadrathoch2> neildugan by default it's spice
[05:18] <davido_> I've been noticing unlock takes three or four seconds. Trying to figure out what might be going on that's taking the time. Any idea where I should be looking?
[05:29] <nsaunders> how do I start jetty?
[05:45] <nesoi1> in terms of compatibility and reliability of an ubuntu server, 16.04 or 18.04?
[05:48] <davido_> 18.04 is LTS and has more time left in its support.
[05:49] <nesoi> davido_:  I know but I keep seeing that people claim there are problems with it compared to 16.04
[05:57] <analogical> is there another tool other than dd and etcher that I can use in Ubuntu to create a bootable usbstick?
[05:58] <matsaman> analogical: probably; how many tools do you need?
[05:59] <davido_> usually when asking for a different tool than the standard ones, it would be useful to know how those are not meeting the need.
[06:01] <analogical> matsaman, give me one that's in the ubuntu repo and I'm happy
[06:01] <matsaman> analogical: dd
[06:02] <analogical> matsaman, but I said other than dd and etcher :/
[06:02] <matsaman> yeah I said something, too
[06:03] <analogical> thanks for your trolling
[06:06] <davido_> what i mean is before recommending an alternative it would help guide the process to know how dd doesn't meet the need. otherwise whatever answer comes might also not meet the need.
[06:14] <analogical> I found something called Gnome Multi Writer
[06:16] <analogical> very strange that there isn't a built in tool
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[06:23] <nsaunders> where is $JETTY_HOME?
[06:26] <davido_> well, gparted lets you clone partitions.
[06:42] <matsaman> nsaunders: pardon?
[06:42] <matsaman> analogical: dd is built in
[06:42] <matsaman> it's part of a package called 'coreutils' that are fundamental to the OS
[06:48] <oft_gegong> what is ubuntu's core purpose?
[06:49] <matsaman> being an operating system
[06:51] <oft_gegong> my answer: 3% to empower. to give +3 computer points. to enable to think +3% (more) creative with computers. to be another windows OS. to +3% (more) give tact to a person's life.
[06:52] <matsaman> okay
[07:09] <analogical> matsaman, f*** dd
[07:10] <BSC_> Hi everyone! I am running Ubuntu 18.04 on a Lenovo Thinkpad that I put to sleep over the weekend, which is normally no problem and I can resume work on mondays with more than 50% of battery left. This weekend was different, though and the machine was off. Turning it on resulted in a black screen and a frozen keyboard (after grub etc) so I
[07:10] <BSC_> hard-reset and started recovery mode. There I wanted to see the "system summary" which caused it to "started discard unused blocks" .. how long does that usually take, because it's been sitting there for 20 mins at least now with no sign of progress ...
[07:13] <BSC_> ".. machine was off.." means that the battery apparently ran out of energy so the laptop was forced to turn off over the weekend
[07:13] <matsaman> analogical: why, what's wrong with it?
[07:14] <analogical> classic troll ^^
[07:16] <matsaman> I'm not sure you know what troll means
[07:17] <analogical> no you're the expert
[07:18] <matsaman> okay
[07:18] <matsaman> BSC_: that's probably fstrim
[07:18] <matsaman> BSC_: it's hard for me to imagine that interrupting it would break anything further, but I can't say I've done it before
[07:18] <matsaman> BSC_: there is at least one older bug about it taking way too long
[07:27] <RoBoT91> Hello everyone, my dual boot desktop is having a strange issue with ubuntu 5.3.0-40-genenric. It seems to load through the splash screen, but then it just goes black and does nothing. I tried advanced options and using 5.3.0-28-generic and it seems to work (only one monitor gets detected)... looking for any hint on where to go with this
[07:29] <matsaman> RoBoT91: https://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it/162087#162087
[07:30] <RoBoT91> thank you i thought i tried this but im thinking i made a type as i typed nomodreset
[08:06] <nsaunders> matsaman: there's supposed to be a $JETTY_HOME -- but it doesn't seem defined
[08:07] <nsaunders> https://superuser.com/q/691256/977796
[08:08] <matsaman> nsaunders: did you try the answer there?
[08:10] <nsaunders> that's just random flailing.  I mean, is that where apt installs jetty to?  I can enter that...
[08:12] <nsaunders> Error: Unable to access jarfile /opt/jetty/usr/share/jetty9/start.jar
[08:12] <matsaman> nsaunders: dpkg -l | grep -i jetty will tell you any package name with 'jetty'
[08:12] <nsaunders> so that's not working, at least for jetty installed with apt on ubuntu 20.04
[08:12] <matsaman> nsaunders: dpkg -L somepackagename will tell you files it installed
[08:12] <matsaman> find / -ipath '*jetty*' will tell you everything
[08:13] <nsaunders> "/usr/share/jetty9/start.jar
[08:13] <nsaunders> yes, and that's the JAR which I'm trying to run...I don't understand your point
[08:16] <nsaunders> 1.)  what should the env variable be, and 2.) why doesn't apt simply set such an env var?
[08:17] <nsaunders> (there seems a difference, for example, between "jetty" as an env var versus "jetty9")
[08:24] <matsaman> nsaunders: in that case I believe JETTY_HOME=/usr/share/jetty9
[08:27] <matsaman> I'm not sure why Ubuntu would offer a jetty9 package that doesn't set an env var that might be required to work, but it probably has something to do with Java being really weird
[08:27] <nsaunders> huh    https://pastebin.com/PR4mWpMd          there's a webapp directory there..
[08:28] <matsaman> I think you are supposed to use it via an init script or service
[08:28] <matsaman> possibly the variables are all correct that route
[08:29] <nsaunders> yeah, that's what I find odd.  I'd expect a script to have this configured unless I'm very much misunderstanding
[08:31] <matsaman> this jetty thing is low on documentation
[08:31] <matsaman> here's somebody's writeup on how they use it: https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-jetty-java-http-server-on-debian-10/
[10:03] <abhijit> Hi Guys. anyone alse facing issue of broken wifi after latest updates on 20.04 ?
[10:10] <zap0> how do i get sound working?
[10:10] <zap0> i have a typical desktop machine.
[10:53] <melatonina> oerhek: I managed to complete the upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04 following your suggestion. Thanks.
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | oerheks roomsoesjes
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:09] <ubuntutr> hi
[12:10] <ubuntutr> how i can move from /data/backups/ to /data ?
[12:10] <ubuntutr> back
[12:10] <DocMors> cd ..
[12:12] <ubuntutr> how i can move from /data/backups/xxx.jpeg to /data ?
[12:12] <ubuntutr> how i can move from /data/backups/xxx.jpeg to /data/xxx.jpeg
[12:12] <DocMors> use the mv command
[12:13] <ubuntutr> not work
[12:13] <DocMors> how do you know?
[12:13] <ubuntutr> done
[12:17] <ubuntutr> thanka
[12:19] <DocMors> welcome
[13:06] <EriC^^> ubuntutr: mv /data/backups/xxx.jpeg /data
[13:07] <Kingsy> so I am getting things -> iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root <- when trying to run iptables -L <- even though I am logged in as root.
[13:07] <Kingsy> any suggestions
[13:07] <EriC^^> ubuntutr: nevermind, didnt see the last msgs that you finished it
[13:08] <EriC^^> Kingsy: are you certain you're root? "id" shows root and uid=0 ?
[13:08] <Kingsy> EriC^^: yes. but this is a docker image which adds a little complexity. but I am roiot
[13:15] <leftyfb> Kingsy: you don't run iptables in the docker container. Run it on the host
[13:17] <Kingsy> I am trying to run a docker daemon inside of a docker container here.
[13:17] <leftyfb> don't
[13:18] <Kingsy> haha tell me about it
[13:34] <lng> Hi! I'm trying to install fpart, but having mysql error which is confusing: https://paste.ofcode.org/Rqk7E3YKSL9LTDB8wQWxe6
[14:11] <EriC^^> lng: what does "dpkg -l | grep -Ev "^ii|^rc" | nc termbin.com 9999" give?
[14:53] <RoseBus> when using ssh how do i specify i want to type password and tell it not to try the keys in ~/.ssh
[14:56] <leftyfb> RoseBus: why would you prefer to use a password over ssh keys? If you have ssh keys, you should disable keyboard authentication over ssh
[14:56] <RoseBus> leftyfb, setting up ssh for the first time on my NAS, dont have keys enabled yet, server is rejecting connection because ssh is attempting to use all the keys in my ~/.ssh
[14:57] <leftyfb> RoseBus: if the keys fail, it will ask for your password if it has keyboard auth enabled. You should check to make sure it is
[14:58] <RoseBus> leftyfb, that's great from client-side, but security on my server rejects connection after n failed attempts
[14:59] <RoseBus> i think there's a bug report for this for ubuntu dev
[15:01] <leftyfb> RoseBus: did you check to see what PasswordAuthentication is set to?
[15:02] <RoseBus> i'm using Synology NAS, by default passwordauthentication is the only method available, it is not changeable from the GUI
[15:03] <RoseBus> leftyfb, in fact, if i mv ~/.ssh ~/.ssh_bak
[15:03] <RoseBus> then i connect ssh with the same command it works
[15:04] <leftyfb> RoseBus: ok, so ssh in and add your public key?
[15:04] <RoseBus> yea that's what i'm doing now
[15:06] <leftyfb> RoseBus: but to answer your question, looking at the man page: Either PreferredAuthentications or PubkeyAuthentication
[15:17] <TR2990WX> hi. how do I know if ubuntu is using my dGPU or my iGPU?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> TR2990WX, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[15:22] <TR2990WX> BluesKaj: that only tell you if the kernel driver is in use or not
[15:23] <TR2990WX> is it possible to disable the dgpu?
[15:25] <BluesKaj> TR2990WX, look in your BIOS/UEFI and choose the gpu you want to use
[15:25] <TR2990WX> I am now using the igpu but the dgpu is still on though
[15:35] <xbfrog> i'm running ubuntu 20.04 show applications/ubuntu software/installed only shows the last 2 apps installed can you help?
[15:42] <forgotmynick> hi i have 16.04 installed on a test machine with php 7.0 fpm installed. i added sury's ppa to install php 7.4 but when i type in apt-get install php7.4-fpm, it wants to upgrade php7.0-xxxx related items. how do i skip or ignore them?
[15:53] <leftyfb> forgotmynick: why install a version of ubuntu from 4 years ago?
[15:53] <forgotmynick> leftyfb: because it was installed 4 years ago
[15:54] <leftyfb> forgotmynick: if you need php 7.4, I would highly recommend installing a more modern version, like 20.04
[15:54] <leftyfb> forgotmynick: we cannot support PPA's here.
[15:55] <forgotmynick> Question is not about php
[15:56] <leftyfb> forgotmynick: the question is about installing from a PPA but not upgrading packages the PPA wants to upgrade
[16:00] <forgotmynick> Question is more to do with how do you skip upgrading other packages when there are no dependencies
[16:18] <Squarism> is it only me who experiance that sometimes clicking the top 2 icons on launcher results in dragging?
[16:20] <oerheks> you might have clicked too long
[16:20] <oerheks> or clicked and moved at once..
[16:29] <nautica_> hi, does anyone know if ubuntu still includes patches for custom kernel build? For example, latest build is here: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.4.48 but the last one to include it was https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.4.45
[17:03] <kgb> on a ASUS fx505du laptop, getting an external monitor to run (through a dedicated Nvidia 1660 Ti); default install (untouched, everything installed "correctly"), with guest additions *not* working - because i have to set some kernel flags, or what is it that must be done and how, please?! https://ibb.co/cLxMGzt << if i install to HDD and then try to enable the external monitor: i get unbootable OS, or no display (just to note that it's not a VM issue -
[17:03] <kgb> which i've never had any trouble with on a PC box, but rather me being -completely- cluesless about it with this laptop. :))
[17:03] <kgb> any help, please, it's a real struggle 4 me, blah. :f
[17:04] <oerheks> kgb, oh, in vmware?
[17:04] <oerheks> or vbox..
[17:05] <kgb> oerheks: thank you, it's just not a VM issue, rather how to pass the graphics through nvidia to the external monitor, via HDMI - and i'm unable to configure it /figure it out on my own. :/
[17:07] <kgb> ^^ if i were to install to HDD and *try* to enable the second monitor = no correct image, driver issue, unbootable OS; & i don't know if i need to set grub2 kernel flags, what driver and how to go about it.
[17:07] <kgb> :(
[17:07] <Xctzn> Hey guys, one of you has tried to set up a NTP client on a ubuntu, with the NTP server being on a domain controller ?  I see that they try to speak with some network capture, but it doesn´t work. If someone can give me some assistance it could be awesome !
[17:10] <kgb> tried everything, for example: "Note: Before installing the proprietary driver, I recommend disabling secure boot if you are using UEFI firmware" @https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-nvidia-driver-ubuntu-18-04 and no matter *what* i do, i just keep hitting a wall - need a hand with this, pls
[17:26] <MaaSUser2020> anyone around familiar with Metal as a Service?
[17:27] <kgb> ^^ is there no help because this should all automagically fall into place, or do i need to be doing something; just can't really get a grip on the issue, to be able to work it out.
[17:27] <kgb> *configureation issue
[17:34] <leftyfb> MaaSUser2020: you might be better asking in #maas
[17:37] <pyraindrop> in fstab - how do i mount a fuseblk device? Is this enough -> /dev/sda1    /win    fuseblk    defaults    0    1
[17:37] <pyraindrop> or do i need -> auto,user,rw,x-gvfs-show or something like this
[17:45] <Jezekus> Hello
[17:47] <Jezekus> I have been fighting with new Ubuntu 20.04 to sent hostname via dhcp but still getting no reply. Could you please help ? I have checked via hostnamectl, also in dhcpclient.conf is send hostname formula
[17:48] <Jezekus> on 16.04 it works just fine
[17:51] <kgb> what insanity.. repeated everything for the Nth time - and now it's just, suddenly, working :/ https://ibb.co/TR70Fqs TF
[17:51] <kgb> ty guys.
[17:53] <kgb> Jezekus: default adapter name is now "enp0s3" just btw., whether or not it's got anything 2 do with it (it had changed at some point in the past. :))
[17:53] <kgb> *from eth0
[18:05] <younder> kgb: did you do a system upgrade? This sounds like a change from 16.04 to 18.04 and up which use systemd
[18:06] <bparker> 16 uses systemd
[18:37] <kgb> younder: just in vbox, no clue what'll happen when i go to partition. :f
[19:03] <Jezekus> kgb: no upgrade, just clean install
[19:40] <Neffscape> Hi people, I need help configuring Geary email client with Davmail. I already have a working Davmail server, which I'm using with Thunderbird to fetch mail from my company exchange server. I really would like to migrate from Thunderbird to Geary, but I can't set up the client. For some reason the imap server configuration used for thunderbird is not working in Geary. I know that people are using geary with Davmail, but I can't f
[19:40] <Neffscape> please?
[19:42] <sarnold> Neffscape: btw irc has line length limits, you were cut off at "but I can't f"
[19:43] <Neffscape> @sarnold […] I can't find a guide to configure it. Can you help me
[19:43] <Neffscape> 21:40:46 - Neffscape: please?
[19:43] <sarnold> Neffscape: do you get any error messages from geary?
[19:43] <sarnold> Neffscape: does your server log any thing relevant? oftentimes server logs are more detailed than client logs
[19:45] <Neffscape> Yes it says that "localhost" is not the correct imap server address. But it's the same address I'm using with thunderbird. The only difference is that Thunderbird lets me choose custom ports for the imap server. Geary don't.
[19:45] <Neffscape> (doesn't... sorry for my bad English)
[19:47] <sarnold> Neffscape: does sudo ss -ntlp show your imap server on localhost as you expect?
[19:50] <oerheks> For those of you running Geary on Ubuntu 18.04 or later, you might have experienced the same problem as me where “Accounts” and “Preferences” are no longer accessible in Geary 0.13.3 (
[19:50] <oerheks> https://medium.com/@hkdb/ppa-for-geary-3-32-2-1ae545fceb36
[19:50] <oerheks> (the latest in the Geary PPA right now as the maintainer has unfortunately decided to stop maintaining it) unless of course you are tracking Geary via Flatpak.
[19:50] <oerheks> ... ugly, but your answer is flatpak
[19:52] <oerheks> oh, read on, only for bionic ppa:hkdb/geary
[19:53] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~hkdb/+archive/ubuntu/geary
[19:57] <Neffscape> @oerheks I'm using geary from ubuntu 20.04 repositories
[20:02] <marekw2143> hello
[20:02] <marekw2143> i'm on 16.04
[20:02] <marekw2143> and cannot mount FinePix 6500 - lsusb doesn't show it
[20:02] <marekw2143> its a digital camera - any drivers I need to install?
[20:02] <neilh90> Hi guys, I am trying to make polybar but it depends on python-xcbgen which I cannot seem to find in 20.04 can anyone help me get it?
[20:03] <sarnold> marekw2143: try another port? try another cable? do you see anything in journalctl -f output when you plug or unplug the cable?
[20:04] <sarnold> neilh90: quite a lot of python2 packages were removed from 20.04 LTS before release because python2 is no longer supported upstream
[20:04] <sarnold> neilh90: you could look around to see if there is a python3 version of polybar
[20:05] <neilh90> Ah I see
[20:05] <neilh90> I see i3 blocks is a possible alternative but I don't know if it is as good
[20:05] <marekw2143> sarnold: yes,  kernel: usb 1-4: new low-speed USB device number 54 using xhci_hcd
[20:05] <neilh90> I'm just learning linux for the first time
[20:05] <marekw2143> kernel: usb 1-4: Device not responding to setup address.
[20:06] <marekw2143> kernel: usb 1-4: device not accepting address 54, error -71
[20:06] <oerheks> Neffscape, then you should file a bugreport.
[20:06] <oerheks> i am still on 18.04.
[20:06] <nesoi> which ubuntu lts version is the most compatible and reliable for servers?
[20:07] <oerheks> nesoi, 18.04 and 20.04
[20:07] <oerheks> see the releasenotes
[20:07] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[20:07] <nesoi> release notes don't tell the story of how compatible and reliable people find them in the real world
[20:07] <Neffscape> @oerheks I think it's not geary itself. I think Geary is relying on GOA for this kind of operation. And GOA doesn't allow to configure custom ports.
[20:07] <oerheks> 18.04 LTS is steady, and reliable with HWE
[20:08] <Neffscape> for imap accounts
[20:08] <oerheks> !hwe
[20:08] <sarnold> nesoi: if you're asking the question, then 18.04 is probably your better choice
[20:08] <nesoi> HWE?
[20:08] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[20:08] <oerheks> 20.04 has just been released, but the upgrade path is not out yet
[20:11] <Neffscape> OK, I figured it out for myself! In configuration settings you can set a custom port by writing localhost:1143 .If you set up ports like this everything works :P
[20:14] <oerheks> good spot.
[20:15] <pyraindrop> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal-security/InRelease  Temporary failure resolving 'security.ubuntu.com
[20:21] <brknwing> hello.  I am new to Linux, don't get many things, just thought maybe to read here what it's all about.
[20:22] <sarnold> pyraindrop: hmm, this suggests that some of the .com domain name servers may have be having trouble -- are you blocking TCP DNS perhaps? https://dnsviz.net/d/security.ubuntu.com/dnssec/
[20:22] <sarnold> hello brknwing
[20:23] <Bashing-om> brknwing: Welcome to ubuntu (support here ) - discussion is #ubuntu-discuss :D
[20:24] <brknwing> Bashing-om, thanks.  I'll go over there for some lively words :)
[20:24] <pyraindrop> sarnold, it works most of the time, somtimes i see that
[20:25] <Bashing-om> brknwing: Also find that #ubuntu-offtopic is lively.
[20:28] <nesoi> does 18.04 LTS have forced OS udates?
[20:28] <nesoi> updates (snaps)?
[20:28] <sarnold> feel free to apt purge snapd if you don't want it
[20:30] <nesoi> purge how?
[20:31] <sarnold> sudo apt purge snapd
[20:32] <nesoi> my concern is OS updates (or any updates) to production without testing
[20:33] <nesoi> are snapd updates guaranteed not to break anything?
[20:34] <oerheks> nesoi, do you want paid support?
[20:34] <oerheks> lolz
[20:35] <nesoi> oerheks:  no, but if not then why force updates that could break things?
[20:35] <nesoi> to create a market for paid support?!?!
[20:36] <sarnold> nesoi: no, snap updates can break things too -- https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/lost-config-state-access-after-chromium-snap-is-refreshed/14650/3
[20:36] <nesoi> right, so that's my point: automatic updates to a production machine seem like a bad idea
[20:37] <oerheks> true
[20:37] <oerheks> always roll out on a test server.
[20:37] <oerheks> the same server you test your backups on ;-)
[20:38] <oerheks> and you can hold snap updates, to a conveniant time.
[20:38] <sarnold> at least with snap you can schedule when you'd like that to be https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
[20:38] <sarnold> so you aren't stuck with solely apt purge snapd
[20:38] <sarnold> but if you'd rather control your entire infrastructure, snap is probably not (yet?) for you
[20:39] <nesoi> oerheks:  what backups?
[20:39] <oerheks> softwarecenter > installed > (snapname) > permissions # often gives tons of options, mic/webcam/disk/networking
[20:40] <nesoi> mic / webcam are not really germane to these servers :)
[20:40] <nesoi> is ubuntu really focusing on the desktop?
[20:40] <oerheks> some do backup. some backup the backups too...
[20:41] <oerheks> server, desktop, cloud, kubernetes, juju openstack..
[20:41] <oerheks> iot.. ingenious or terrible
[20:41] <sarnold> lol
[20:49] <Mibix> my servers keeps giving me these alerts with the subject "Cron <root@mibix-module>    cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" and the body "/bin/sh: 1: Cannot fork"
[20:49] <Mibix> how do i fix that?
[20:49] <Mibix> *server
[20:51] <graingert> !ask
[20:52] <oerheks>  1 Answer. If you see the (CRON) error (can't fork) message, it means that: your system is running out of memory. cron can't create the process (due to high memory)
[20:53] <oerheks> some try to fix that with unlimited ulimit..
[21:10] <vimart> Hi all
[21:25] <cnnx> i've been tried to reinstall mysql-server mysql-client for over a week and cant
[21:25] <cnnx> do i need to reinstall ubuntu?
[21:25] <cnnx> or can this be fixed for sure?
[21:25] <cnnx> dpkg: error processing package mysql-server (--configure):
[21:25] <cnnx>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[21:26] <vimart> gpg: keyserver send failed: Server indicated a failure
[21:26] <vimart> That what I'm getting when: gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys 11111
[21:27] <Mibix> oerheks my system memory usage is below 80% though
[21:27] <Mibix> my swap is almost 100% though
[21:28] <oerheks> Mibix, seen that, with a vpn service and irc bouncer
[21:28] <Mibix> dont have vpn or a bouncer running :/
[21:29] <oerheks> well, cron has insufficient memory to do the job.
[21:29] <Mibix> im confused though
[21:30] <Mibix> if my physical memory is only at 80% what do i need to change
[21:30] <Mibix> I can add more ram sure but I am not sure that will help
[21:30] <oerheks> 100% swap sounds like some service is under heavy load
[21:34] <Mibix> is there an easy way to cehck oerheks?
[21:34] <EriC^^> Mibix: check what is using the memory
[21:35] <Mibix> top thing is sabnzbd
[21:35] <Mibix> at 1.2gb
[21:37] <kgb> seems like it's a one-off trial? https://www.newshosting.com/usenet/partners/sabnzbd/
[21:37] <kgb> plus does it require CC to even enter? that's not FOSS and nowhere near :))
[21:38] <Mibix> heh that didnt free up much of the swap shutting it down either
[21:38] <EriC^^> Mibix: what does 'free -h' look like right now?
[21:39] <Mibix>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[21:39] <Mibix> Mem:            23G         13G        1.2G        4.0G        9.0G        6.1G
[21:39] <Mibix> Swap:          2.0G        1.9G        133M
[21:39] <EriC^^> Mibix: ok, 6G available, you should be good now
[21:39] <Mibix> heh i mean it was like that before
[21:40] <EriC^^> you dont really know that, did you try 'free -h' at the time of the cron error?
[21:42] <EriC^^> Mibix: for your swap to have 2G in it, it means at some point linux found that there's not enough memory to run smoothly
[21:48] <kgb> 'tis what happens when we get these "wonderful" new "features", like auto-mem management (APIs, or whatever); back in the day it was simple AND standard: software ITSELF had to be not only memory-aware, but also courteous to (various) other systems
[21:48] <Mibix> no i guess ill just grab some more ram though lol
[21:49] <kgb> yea, take it all
[21:49] <kgb> "it'll be fine"
[21:50] <vimart> I'm pushed to use some mail client. I used to use in 90s Kmail, what's good today?
[21:51] <kgb> like imagine a news reader (text!!) taking up 1.2 GIGABYTES, yo.. what is that; like 90% of it some advertising-systems and product placement, telemetry and who-knows-what
[21:51] <kgb> can'
[21:51] <kgb> can't support that kind of whatever it is
[21:51] <Mibix> lol this pc3-10600R is so cheap
[21:51] <Mibix> i should just get 96gb
[21:52] <kgb> heh. :)
[21:53] <kgb> "tools" allowing every-nobody to form a team and put out some software, blah
[21:57] <kgb> sony data breach, yahoo hack.. and NO repercussions - nobody responsible; i had lost like a business account w/Yahoo that set me back.. whatever, i've never recovered from that - and then TWO YEARS later, they admit it had been a hack, meh.
[21:59] <kgb> when was it like ~10 yrs ago
[22:00] <kgb> tucked me into their fake safety net, when i didn't know any better
[22:02] <EriC^^> Mibix: it could be something else, it's odd that much ram is being filled up maybe some program has a memory leak?
[22:03] <EriC^^> Mibix: from this thread is sounds like it should barely have some mb's as memory https://forums.sabnzbd.org/viewtopic.php?t=23702
[22:03] <Mibix> oh no sabnzbd isnt using much at all after i restarded
[22:04] <Mibix> i restarted it before i posted that memory stuff though
[22:05] <EriC^^> Mibix: it could be something else other than memory, have a look here at the comments https://askubuntu.com/questions/966496/cannot-fork-for-cron-jobs-but-ulimit-and-ram-looks-fine
[22:08] <EriC^^> Mibix: for what it's worth, i tried to fill my memory up completely and run a cronjob, it gave no errors, i used dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/shm/mem bs=4M count=1000 to fill it up
[22:09] <Mibix> heh
[22:09] <Mibix> it only started happening a few weeks ago and i dont remember changing anything
[22:14] <Mibix> https://pastebin.com/e1WgexE2
[22:17] <EriC^^> Mibix: what does this give "ps aux  | awk '{print $1}' | grep root | wc -l" ?
[22:19] <Mibix> 370
[22:21] <EriC^^> Mibix: doesnt sound like its hitting the process limit
[22:22] <EriC^^> Mibix: maybe write something that monitors the stuff for a day and when it happens again see the logs
[22:25] <EriC^^> Mibix: while sleep 300; do date; free -h; ps aux | awk '$1 == "root"' | wc -l; done > ~/memps.log 2>&1
[22:25] <EriC^^> Mibix: that should take a snapshot of it every 5mins
[22:26] <oerheks> Files remain in Watched Folder
[22:26] <oerheks> The "Watched Folder" sometimes fails to delete the NZB files it has processed.
[22:26] <oerheks> This happens when other software still accesses these files.
[22:26] <oerheks> Some third-party utilities supporting SABnzbd are known to do this.
[22:26] <oerheks> We cannot solve this problem, because the Operating System (read Windows) prevents the removal. SABnzbd does try about 10 times with 5 second intervals, but after that it gives up.
[22:26] <oerheks> The NZB will not be processed again, unless changed or overwritten.
[22:28] <EriC^^> Mibix: apparently ps -eLf shows all the threads, so you could also do ps -eLf | awk '$1 == "root"' | wc -l to see root's threads
[22:28] <EriC^^> (in the monitor/log)
[22:28] <oerheks> https://sabnzbd.org/wiki/introduction/known-issues
[22:28] <Mibix> i am not even sure its sabnzbd btw
[22:28] <Mibix> that was just the program using the most memory at the time i checked
[22:28] <oerheks> htop would tell ..
[22:29] <oerheks> that 100% swap gave me a clue
[22:30] <Mibix> it usually happens on sundays
[22:30] <Mibix> which is probably the largest ram day
[22:30] <Mibix> since there are a ton of new shows downloading and the most people watching on plex
[22:30] <Mibix> ill get some more ram soon
[22:46] <WesleyTech> Hello folks! We're seeing an issue with the official Canonical Ubuntu Cloud AMI's that are published to AWS. There are 2 microsoft repositories defined that result in warnings being logged every time apt is used. How can we report this issue to the appropriate team?
[22:52] <oerheks> WesleyTech, 'warnings being logged every time apt is used'  can you paste an example? paste.ubuntu.com
[22:53] <WesleyTech> @oerheks will do
[22:55] <WesleyTech> June 22nd 2020 16:34:33Error
[22:55] <WesleyTech> W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft-prod.list:1 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/microsoft.list:1
[22:57] <sarnold> WesleyTech: could you file a bug here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+filebug thanks
[22:57] <WesleyTech> We see this Warning ~10 times in our logs every time we run a deploy due to the usage of apt in our scripts. Will do on filing a bug on Launchpad, thanks!
[22:57] <oerheks> microsoft-prod is current, the other one is old?
[22:59] <WesleyTech> I don't know which is current
[23:00] <oerheks> https://packages.microsoft.com/config/ubuntu/18.04/
[23:01] <oerheks> disable the old one, by renaming?
[23:02] <oerheks> lets see how one can show installed packages from that one ..
[23:16] <adan> im having trouble getting wow classic to run through wine can anyone help me?
[23:32] <WesleyTech> Bug submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1884673
[23:33] <sarnold> WesleyTech: excellent, thanks!
[23:34] <oerheks> you might want to edit your ami id, serial
[23:35] <oerheks> WesleyTech, ^^
[23:35] <sarnold> if I've understood amazon correctly, those are the important bits needed to find out what's affected, no?
[23:35] <oerheks> region will do?
[23:36] <sarnold> try popping us-west-2 into http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ and see what you get back :) 40 entries..
[23:37] <sarnold> hmm. putting in that ami returns no results..


[18:43] <fullermd> Um.  Well.  So, all this apport crap is new...
[18:48] <fullermd> Am I just being dumb and not seeing the magic switch to stop blatting that around?
[21:54] <lifeless> fullermd: how do you mean?
[21:58] <fullermd> Well, it seems like setup.py is using "if sys.platform != 'win32':" as a shotgun way of saying "if ubuntu:" or something...
[21:59] <fullermd> Unless I'm dainbramaged (which I don't rule out, it being a weekend and all), I can't see any way to make it keep those steenkin' files out of my install short of patching setup.py.
[22:45] <lifeless> fullermd: what steenkin files - do you mean the apport hooks?
[22:45] <lifeless> fullermd: cause apport works on more than Ubuntu ..
[22:48] <fullermd> Well, it doesn't on BSD, so by themselves the files are pointless.  But it's especially egregious that they install themselves in absolute paths away from the $PREFIX files are supposed to install into.
[23:11] <lifeless> fullermd: file a bug!
[23:12] <fullermd> Well, after I get it packaged.  I hoped there might be some simpler shortcut than brute force.
[23:12] <lifeless> snakes on a package :P
[23:13] <fullermd> And packaging comes after I finish cleaning my desk.  Jeez Louise...
[23:13] <fullermd> Y'know I found a travel itinerary from 2002 on the bottom of one stack of stuff?
[23:14] <fullermd> What's disturbing is that I moved in 2008.  How the heck...
[23:14] <lifeless> nice