[23:41] <NikTh> Hello
[23:42] <k1l> hi
[23:42] <NikTh> Can I have an Ubuntu Member cloak please ?
[23:42] <Fuchs> NikTh: could you link to your launchpad profile? Then wait for IRCC to see it :)
[23:42] <k1l> NikTh: can you link your launchpad profile?
[23:42] <NikTh> Yes , here : https://launchpad.net/~nick-athens30
[23:43] <Fuchs> looks good, we'll just have to wait for one of the IRCC guys then :)
[23:43] <NikTh> Ok :)
[23:47] <NikTh> Fuchs: Just remember (if I remember correctly) , you gave me this 'unaffiliated' cloak thing :) coincidence ?
[23:48] <Fuchs> I am afraid I don't remember it, I hand out so many cloaks ... but then since we are a rather small team of staffers, chances to meet the same one twice are not that little :)
[23:50] <Pici> Fuchs: Could you please provide NikTh an ubuntu/member/nikth cloak?
[23:50] <Fuchs> YES!
[23:50] <Fuchs> probably at least, hang on :)
[23:50]  * Pici presses the appropriate buttons on launchpad
[23:50] <Fuchs> yes, looks good
[23:50] <Pici> NikTh: congrats :)
[23:50] <IdleOne> congrats NikTh
[23:51] <Fuchs> NikTh: you are now cloaked as an ubuntu member, congratulations :)
[23:51] <NikTh> Thanks Guys :)
[23:51] <NikTh> Have a good night :)


[01:35] <smoser> blackboxsw, right.
[01:35] <smoser> it *should* be ok to do what we're doing.
[01:35] <smoser> and this path (dhcp and use that address) is actually less likely to cause any issues
[01:35] <smoser> than using the ipv4 link local path.
[01:35] <smoser> we can talk about that... maybe we don't need a fallback path.
[01:35] <smoser> have to think more
[15:54] <powersj> smoser: rharper if I want to run a single cloud-init module and pass in user data how do I do that with: cloud-init single -n hostname
[16:05] <smoser> cloud-init single --name=hostname --frequency=always
[16:06] <smoser> and for changing the config that that thing sees....
[16:06] <smoser> i always just end up writing different content into /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/99-smoser.cfg
[16:06] <smoser> and re-running boave
[16:08] <rharper> if you to pass in user-data, you need --file /path/to/cfg
[17:28] <smoser> rharper, blackboxsw https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327532
[17:28] <smoser> that is updated with commits for your feeback (and flake fixes too)
[17:31] <rharper> k
[17:38] <smoser> quick view of https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327896
[17:38] <smoser> would be helpful too
[17:49] <blackboxsw> hrm trying to test freebsd instances with the dhclient changes I can't seem to ssh to the instance w/<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and the pem file. It's prompting me for a password
[17:49] <blackboxsw> will check those branches now smoser
[17:53] <smoser> hrm indeed. :)
[17:53] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327896 approved
[17:54] <blackboxsw> your extensions to mock in https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327532 remind me about adding linters which should balk if we are importing mock directly
[17:56] <smoser> blackboxsw, ?
[17:57] <smoser> i think it doesnt matter though
[17:57] <smoser> unless you know otherwise
[17:57] <smoser> i wondered about this and tested quickly
[17:57] <smoser> if a test does import the 'helpers'
[17:57] <smoser> and then (before or after) import mock via 'import mock'
[17:57] <smoser> then the mock is still patched everywhere
[17:58] <smoser> is that what you were meaning?
[18:01] <blackboxsw> hrm, I lemme check on that. I probably misinterpreted what mock monkey patching we were doing there in helpers.
[18:06] <smoser> blackboxsw, theres only one "copy" of an import
[18:07] <smoser> just differntly namespaced based on how its imported
[18:07] <smoser> right?
[18:07] <smoser> that fact is part of the reason on why you can fail to un-mock something in a unit test and have another unit test affected.
[18:07] <blackboxsw> smoser, ok confirmed the proper behavior as you suggested. Anything that imports helpers will have the properly patch mock.Mock which has assert_not_called since the import already "happened" in original helpers import
[18:08] <blackboxsw> yeah correct
[18:08] <smoser> either before or after
[18:08] <smoser> import mock
[18:08] <smoser> import helpers
[18:08] <smoser> or the other way
[18:08] <smoser> doesn't matter
[18:10] <blackboxsw> so we *don't* have to worry about where we import mock as we have  enxtended mock.Mock at helper module import time
[18:10] <blackboxsw> right
[18:39] <smoser> as long as helper gets loaded
[19:36] <smoser> ugh
[19:36] <smoser> cloud-init in archive now depends on nplan | ifupdown
[19:36] <smoser> updated, then purged ifupdown
[19:37] <smoser> in lxc container
[19:37] <smoser> cleaned out /var/lib/cloud
[19:37] <smoser> reboot
[19:37] <smoser> does not have an ipv4  dhcp address
[19:37] <smoser> :-(
[19:39] <smoser> hm.. maybe it did
[19:48] <larsks> smoser: around?
[20:04] <smoser> larsks, here.
[20:04] <smoser> sorry... slow reply
[20:05] <larsks> No worries.  So, (a) approved for cloud-init summit.
[20:05] <larsks> (b) does this seem like a reasonable explanation of the ovirt issue?
[20:05] <larsks> https://gist.github.com/larsks/62841738dbfad27155628a2560cb818c
[20:06] <smoser> a. \0/
[20:07] <smoser> larsks, that sounds pretty reasonable yes.
[20:07] <larsks> Excellent. Thanks.
[20:07] <smoser> larsks, i think we *could* keep both the instance id and the previous dmi id around and compare
[20:07] <smoser> i think that woudl work.
[20:08] <larsks> Just an extra symlink in /var/lib/cloud/instances, maybe?
[20:08] <smoser> well, cloud-init loads /var/lib/cloud/instance/obj.pkl
[20:08] <smoser> and that, which is the ConfigDrive class
[20:08] <smoser> has the ability to look around and decide if it is new or not
[20:08] <smoser> i think ... (memory here)
[20:09] <smoser> we could keep the uuid from dmi and the instance id.
[20:09] <smoser> and if uuid did not change, we could assume we were same.
[20:09] <larsks> I guess. It seems better if ovirt were to fix things, since they're pretending to be an openstack data source.
[20:09] <smoser> yes.
[20:46] <blackboxsw> hrm, I'm not sure our is_connected function in cloudinit/net/__init__ works on aws cloud instances
[20:46] <blackboxsw> cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier
[20:46] <blackboxsw> 1
[20:46] <blackboxsw> I'm seeing a 1 returned from my active eth0 interface (so is_connected returns False)
[20:47] <blackboxsw> ahh wait a sec, sorry n/m. we check iflink first
[20:49] <blackboxsw> ok ignore the peanut gallery: python3 -c 'from cloudinit.net import is_connected; print(is_connected("eth0"))'
[20:49] <blackboxsw> True
[21:18] <smoser> rharper, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/327921 should be good now.
[21:48] <rharper> k


[09:55] <jamespage> good morning
[09:56] <jamespage> please could a member of the documentation team review this for me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Documentor resources
[09:56] <jamespage> we had a few queries in the last server team meeting about how to fix server guide documentation; wanted to make sure this was still correct.
[09:56] <jamespage> thanks!
[11:03] <laszlok> Is there a new name for the app indicator area in Unity documentation, or is it still called the "notification area"
[11:06] <Nero-> hello
[11:07] <Nero-> I made a change to the documentation
[11:07] <Nero-> can someone read it to check for errors
[11:08] <Atamira> you should have emailed it to the mailing list
[11:08] <Nero-> o
[11:08] <Nero-> ...
[11:08] <Nero-> Well
[11:08] <Nero-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DynamicDNS
[11:08] <Nero-> ctrl+f Namecheap & Python
[11:08] <Atamira> ppl do drop in here, but you'd get a faster reply via the mailing list
[11:09] <Nero-> k


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[12:07] <RikMills> sil2100: LP: #1938894
[12:07] <RikMills> in the queue
[12:08] <RikMills> thanks!
[12:16] <ahasenack> hello, I'm starting my +1 maintenance week today
[12:17] <ahasenack> I guess python is the hot ticket?
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[12:26] <sil2100> RikMills: woohoo! Will get to it later o/
[13:38] <ahasenack> I guess this isn't used anymore? As it's out of date? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlusOneMaintenanceTeam/Status
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[15:14] <sil2100> ahasenack: yeah, I think basically best way to know the status is to browse through the ubuntu-devel@ ML for the +1 reports or ping the last person on +1 from a given team
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[16:01] <sil2100> RikMills: should be done ^
[16:02] <sil2100> Some might still be depwaiting though
[16:07] <ahasenack> fyi I'm working on stunnel4 blocked in migration (dep8), and turns out it's also an ftbfs nowadays with openssl 3.x
[16:07] <ahasenack> ops, wrong chan
[16:13] <RikMills> sil2100: thanks! yeah, some will dep wait as I am quite obsessive about them building in the proper stack order (even though may not be strictly required here)
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[16:35] <waveform> sil2100, ^^ as requested, a couple of linux-firmware-raspi2 SRUs :)
[16:35] <sil2100> \o/
[16:35] <sil2100> Yaaay, thank you!
[16:35] <sil2100> Reviewing in a moment
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[16:38] <sil2100> xnox: hey, reviewing the kmod SRU for zstd - I have a question re:  the debian/rules change of the added --disable-test-modules
[16:38] <sil2100> What effect does it have? Why is that needed?
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[21:14] <vorlon> I have a hard time not reading isc-kea as "IKEA"
[21:14] <sarnold> same
[21:20] <mwhudson> is it named after the parrot?
[21:20] <mwhudson> icon suggests yes
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[23:50] <dbungert> with v9 of the package trafficserver, the Debian maintainer dropped support for 32 bit architectures.  However, trafficserver armhf still appears as an expected build in update excuses - presumaly because v8 of trafficserver was buildable on armhf.  What action needs to be taken?
[23:54] <bdmurray> dbungert: I don't see an armhf build in jammy-proposed
[23:54] <dbungert> bdmurray: right, nor would I expect one.  Yet update excuses says missing build on armhf
[23:55] <bdmurray> If that's the only thing blocking it I think an AA just needs to manually promote to the release pocket
[23:55] <dbungert> OK
[23:57] <dbungert> bdmurray: What's typically done for that?  Ping here?  File a LP like is done for package removals?
[23:58] <bdmurray> dbungert: Pinging an AA should do it. You might even ask for one by name e.g. v_orlon or R_AOF


[03:12] <whoo> If the 12.04 gets updated for 3 years, then what are the benefits of installing the later releases like at this oint for example 12.10 and then of course others to follow ?
[03:13] <whoo> point*
[03:13] <smartboyhw> whoo, new software
[03:14] <smartboyhw> New interfaces:P
[03:14] <whoo> not just updated, but new Is that it then ?
[03:14] <amiu> i noticed 12.04 doesnt have the option to "skip all" that was reason enough for me to move to 12.10
[03:14] <whoo> ok....btw how does one "open as admin"
[03:15] <amiu> sudo or gksudo
[03:15] <whoo> in thunar ?
[03:15] <amiu> nope
[03:15] <whoo> oh yah...nautilus
[03:16] <whoo> I am used to the option in the right click box
[03:16] <amiu> i saw a mod for that
[03:16] <whoo> other Xfce have an option in edit I believe to add opn as admin
[05:35] <holstein> whoo: 12.04 gest updates for 5 years now
[05:36] <holstein> whoo: the benefits are, newer versions of software
[05:36] <smartboyhw> holstein, Yep:P
[05:37] <holstein> smartboyhw: hey!
[05:40] <smartboyhw> holstein: hey!
[07:30] <whoo> so
[12:19] <raven_> hi
[12:19] <raven_> is there any channel of jamin developers?
[12:20] <smartboyhw> raven_, jamin?
[12:20] <raven_> yes a mastering tool
[12:21] <raven_> i need anyone who could tell me how to disable the huge latency
[12:21] <zequence> raven_: There's #lad
[12:23] <zequence> raven_: This is their mailing list http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jamin-devel
[12:24] <raven_> ok tnx
[18:59] <studio-user631> hello - still installing in a virtual box - will return when installation completed
[18:59] <studio-user631> anyone German here?
[19:01] <Unit193> There might be, but it'd be easier to try the German channel. :)
[19:02] <studio-user631> thx - but how to find the German channel - I'm newbe to irq-stuff, sry
[19:04] <Unit193> !de
[19:05] <studio-user631> vielen dank - hab durch erstes googeln nix gefunden, was so ergiebig ist wie diese Antwort - 1000Dank
[21:32] <frewsxcv> What is the IRC channel with the free software music creators in it?
[21:32] <SonikkuAmerica> What do you mean?
[21:33] <Unit193> #opensourcemusicians ?
[21:38] <frewsxcv> yeah, that, thanks


[08:12] <chesedo> o/
[08:48] <chesedo> has anyone been having issues opening absa email statements now that they have switched to pdf passwords?
[09:03] <thatgraemeguy> chesedo: I just opened my vehicle finance statement, received on saturday
[09:20] <Kilos> hi guys
[09:21] <thatgraemeguy> hello hello
[09:29] <chesedo> ty thatgraemeguy
[09:29] <chesedo> and hi all
[12:14] <andrewlsd> wow, it's been a while
[13:51]  * andrewlsd goes away again
[22:24] <superfly> o/
[22:31] <superfly> hey theblazehen


[00:11] <connor> hi
[00:11] <connor> im here to contest a channel ban
[00:14] <mneptok> connor: what ban would this be?
[00:16] <connor> #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:16] <connor> friend went to get a drink of water
[00:16] <connor> his brother got on and started spamming
[00:17] <connor> gmrghost is the usernam
[00:17] <connor> e
[00:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Seems to be the excuse of the week..
[00:20] <Pici> connor: When was this?
[00:21] <mneptok> connor: the ban stays
[00:21] <mneptok> connor: and given your behavior at the same time, i salute your bravery in asking for the ban to be lifted.
[00:22] <connor> ok
[00:22] <connor> thanks anyways
[00:22] <mneptok> connor: if your friend needs help setting a screensaver password, feel free to direct him/her here.
[00:22] <elky_work> i was about to mention that you are at all times responsible for your account, but mneptok has peaked my curiosity as to what exactly happened
[00:22] <connor> no im good
[00:22] <connor> i already said what happened
[00:22] <connor> readup
[00:22] <connor> read up*
[00:22] <Pici> connor: If your friend wants to be unbanned, he needs to come here himself.
[00:22] <elky_work> im not in the channel in question
[00:23] <Pici> elky_work: I dont think it was now anyway
[00:23] <__mikem> 19:03 < connor> 17/f/ca wanna cyber? <-- well conner said this in #ubuntu-offtopic a while ago for one thing
[00:23] <__mikem> if you are interested in his behavior
[00:24] <elky_work> i see. that behaviour is most certainly unwelcome
[00:24] <connor> lmao
[00:24] <Prefix> ohh ouch
[00:24] <connor> well, it is ubuntu-offtopic
[00:24] <Prefix> !o4o
[00:24] <__mikem> connor: yes, but offtopic does not = anything goes
[00:24] <elky_work> connor: that doesnt make it #ubuntu-cybersex
[00:25] <__mikem> lol
[00:25] <GMRghost> hey guys
[00:25] <GMRghost> i think i'm banned from off topic
[00:25] <GMRghost> i
[00:25] <GMRghost> im not sure why
[00:25] <Prefix> funny, your friend knew why ;)
[00:25] <__mikem> GMRghost: yes you are, conner says that your brother got on your account while you were away from your keyboard
[00:25] <elky_work> mneptok: could you possibly prepare a nice pastebin?
[00:25] <GMRghost> he did?
[00:25] <GMRghost> wtf
[00:25] <__mikem> GMRghost: conner is in here right now
[00:25] <mneptok> elky_work: it's all in the Bantracker
[00:25] <GMRghost> connor is my brother
[00:26]  * mneptok read it there
[00:26]  * Pici too
[00:26] <__mikem> so the plot thickens
[00:26] <__mikem> Pici: are you hearing what GMRghost just said?
[00:26] <Pici> __mikem: no.   and "synonymous" means "means the same thing as."
[00:34] <mneptok> connor: there's no charge for the vocabulary lesson, other than doing em the courtesy of not having to deal with you for at least a week. feel free to type /part
[00:34] <Pici> that works too
[00:37] <hotpocket> why am i banned from #ubuntu
[00:37] <hotpocket> i help people in that channel
[00:37] <elky_work> because you're conner. byebye
[00:37] <mneptok> hotpocket: same reason as when you asked 10m ago.
[00:37] <hotpocket> ok
[00:37] <mneptok> oh, and HI CONNOR
[00:37] <hotpocket> you never answered
[00:37] <hotpocket> ok
[00:37] <hotpocket> hi mneptok
[00:37] <hotpocket> why am i banned from there?
[00:38] <mneptok> oh, and BYE CONNOR
[00:38] <elky_work> hotpocket, here's a complimentary clue: we have been doing this long enough to know better.
[00:38] <hotpocket> what?
[00:38] <hotpocket> im being seroius
[00:38] <hotpocket> serious*
[00:38] <hotpocket> i didnt get to read the resopnse
[00:38] <hotpocket> response* as to why i was banned from #ubuntu
[00:38] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 00:32:16 <+PriceChild> connor: spamming it seems.
[00:38] <mneptok> hotpocket: your spammy, trollish behavior has earned you a ban.
[00:38] <Pici> Because you and your 'brother' can't act in a civilized manner.
[00:39] <hotpocket> i dont spam and troll in #ubuntu thats the thing
[00:39] <elky_work> Pici: dont forget his 'friend'
[00:39] <mneptok> hotpocket: you may expect to be banned from any #ubuntu channel i may find you in.
[00:39] <Amaranth> darn, logs are an hour behind :P
[00:39] <mneptok> hotpocket: funny how your reputation gets around, eh?
[00:40] <hotpocket> ok
[00:40] <mneptok> hotpocket: i'm reasonably sure some of my fellow ops will echo my sentiment about banning you on sight in any channel henceforth.
[00:40] <hotpocket> >___>
[00:41] <mneptok> hotpocket: your pubescent nature may draw you to IRC drama like a moth to a flame, but before you give into temptation, be aware the flame usually wins.
[00:43] <hotpocket> >__>
[00:52] <mneptok> i think i have decrypted it. > is "d" and _ is "u" and _> is "h"
[00:52] <hotpocket> what?
[00:52] <hotpocket> oh haha
[00:55] <elky_work> mneptok: you are a decrypting genius
[00:57] <hotpocket> so i am permabanned from #ubuntu, correct?
[00:59] <elky_work> until you can demonstrate some level of maturity, such as being completely honest about what you did.
[00:59] <elky_work> genuine apologies also go along way, and we know the difference.
[01:00] <hotpocket> Ok, the truth is
[01:00]  * elky_work raises an eyebrow
[01:01] <hotpocket> Me and ghost were bored, it was the off-topoic board, I don't use it, and we decided to spam it a little bit, it was mainly him, I was just saying stuff like lmao and stuff like that, I didn't spam near as much as him though
[01:01] <hotpocket> But I did spam a LITTLE though
[01:02] <elky_work> now apologies (note plural) for that, and the revolting cyber comment would be appreciated
[01:03] <hotpocket> I'm sorry about the spamming and I'm sorry about the cyber sex thing.
[01:03] <hotpocket> I also didn't think the cyber thing would make the situation so bad
[01:05] <elky_work> hotpocket: as a female on irc, your cyber comment made me feel uncomfortable as it's hard enough to be taken seriously and not seen as a sex object.
[01:07]  * elky_work raises the other eyebrow this time
[01:19] <hotpocket> I apologize for any unsettlements I might have caused in the ir channels
[01:23] <elky_work> mneptok, do you accept these apologies enough to let him back into #ubuntu?
[01:40] <mneptok> elky_work: i accept them enough to rethink things in 72 hours or so
[01:41] <hotpocket> Thanks
[01:50] <Amaranth> tornado inbound
[01:55] <bazhang> hotpocket, best to depart now.
[01:56] <nickrud> still here?
[01:56] <bazhang> hotpocket, read the /topic
[01:56] <Seeker`> Amaranth: you mean a user called tornado, or a big swirly thing?
[01:56] <Amaranth> latter
[01:56] <Seeker`> :/
[01:56] <Seeker`> thats bad
[01:57] <Pici> Amaranth: Whereabouts are you located again?
[01:57] <Amaranth> sirens non-stop for the last 30 minutes at least
[01:57] <Amaranth> omaha, ne
[01:57] <Seeker`> Amaranth: I hope it manages to miss you
[01:57] <nickrud> watching cnn right now
[01:57] <Seeker`> Amaranth: how close have you been to a tornado before?
[01:57] <Amaranth> It is headed this way
[01:57] <Amaranth> on the track that tends to mess up omaha bad
[01:57] <Pici> yikes
[01:57] <Amaranth> Seeker`: about 15 miles away
[01:58] <Amaranth> out in the country
[01:58] <Amaranth> we were chasing it :)
[01:58] <nickrud> tornadoes make me glad I live in earthquake territory
[01:58] <Seeker`> I would imagine that the wind is still pretty high at 15 miles
[01:58] <hotpocket> bazhang: what?
[01:58] <mneptok> Amaranth: seek shelter in the deep mountain valleys of Nebraska
[01:58] <Amaranth> it was a small tornado that time
[01:58] <Pici> !idle | hotpocket
[01:58] <hotpocket> oh ok
[01:58] <hotpocket> sorry
[01:58] <bazhang> hotpocket, no idling here; come back in 3 or 4 days time
[01:58] <bazhang> oops
[01:59]  * Seeker` has slept through every earthquake he could have felt
[01:59] <Pici> I live in nothing territory
[01:59] <Amaranth> yikes
[01:59] <Amaranth> hundreds of boy scouts were at a camp that got hit
[02:00] <Amaranth> unconfirmed reports of 4 fatalities
[02:00] <nickrud> yeah, saw that
[02:00]  * Seeker` is in the UK. We have mostly overcast weather. Which isn't known for its deadly properties.
[02:00] <Seeker`> ouch
[02:00] <Amaranth> Seeker`: it _always_ rains there
[02:00] <Seeker`> not always
[02:00] <nickrud> A Londoner said he felt right at home in Seattle
[02:00] <Amaranth> they have larger crews clearing the road to that camp
[02:00] <Amaranth> -r
[02:01]  * Pici has always wondered if tornadoes are unique to the geography of the US...
[02:01] <Seeker`> we have a few weeks of hazy sunshine every year, which constitutes summer
[02:01] <Amaranth> Seeker`: i was there for 4 days, it rained 3 of them
[02:01] <Seeker`> Pici: No
[02:01] <Seeker`> Pici: There have been a couple in the UK
[02:01] <nickrud> yup.   It deletes everything that you have permissions for.
[02:04] <Amaranth> Seeker`: it means what it says
[02:04] <nickrud> saw that. Wonder sometimes if it's innoculation, or temptation
[02:05] <Amaranth> Seeker`: they are basically invisible unless you know what you are looking for
[02:05] <Amaranth> because it just looks like heavy rain
[02:05] <Amaranth> "Often an observer can not tell the difference between a rain-wrapped tornado and a heavy rain curtain until the tornado or rain curtain is right on top of them. Many motorists have been killed by rain-wrapped tornadoes."
[02:06] <Pici> Makes sense
[02:07] <Seeker`> whats so bad about it being rain-wrapped
[02:08] <Pici> Because you can't tell if its just a big thunderstorm, or if theres a tornado somewhere in there
[02:10] <Seeker`> ah, fair enough
[02:10]  * Seeker` is too tired to think properly
[02:19] <Amaranth> 4 confirmed dead at that camp
[02:19] <Amaranth> dunno who they are though
[02:25] <Seeker`> :(
[02:25] <Amaranth> the storm chaser that got hit by that tornado sounds like he is about to break down and cry
[02:26] <Amaranth> he was out there to try to spot these things to prevent such things but around that time the national weather service radar went down and their radar data was old
[02:26] <Amaranth> thus they got hit by the tornado and couldn't update people on the direction it was heading
[02:28] <Amaranth> tornado near the local air base
[02:28] <Amaranth> that's in bellvue, an omaha suburb
[02:29] <nickrud> Amaranth are you in a house, or a hefty building?
[02:29] <Amaranth> i'm in an apartment building
[02:36] <nickrud> I could *not* afford to not have presentable clothing ;)
[02:37] <elky_work> nickrud: the one in spain wanted money to do the laundry... like twenty euros for a pair of undies kinda money.
[02:37] <Seeker`> bedtime
[02:37] <nickrud> heh. Doncha just love price gouging
[02:37] <Seeker`> Amaranth: hope that tornado doesn't get too close
[02:38] <nickrud> Now I'm afraid to carry on shaving cream
[02:40] <Amaranth> tornado shifted
[02:40] <Amaranth> headed for council bluffs on the other side of the river now
[02:40] <Amaranth> it's hailing over there
[02:41] <Amaranth> of course that's like 15 minutes of driving away so...
[02:43] <Amaranth> eep
[02:44] <Amaranth> thunder non-stop for a minute
[02:44] <Amaranth> really loud
[02:44] <nickrud> Amaranth does your wireless reach the basement?
[02:44] <Amaranth> i don't have a basement
[02:45] <elky_work> if it's that close, i doubt the wireless would work anyway
[02:45] <nickrud> any reason to urge you to a safer place. The blow by blow is getting scary
[02:46] <Amaranth> i'm having fun :)
[02:46] <Amaranth> i'm actually outside
[02:47] <nickrud> gotta 360 view I hope
[02:47] <Amaranth> nope
[02:47] <Amaranth> basically zero view, really
[02:48] <Amaranth> i have people inside watching the news that'll knock on the window if i need to go
[02:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Speaking of 360 view....  nickrud..  go to google... maps.. type in your address.. click on the picture that comes up...  360 view driving by your house.. most large metro areas are covered
[02:48] <Amaranth> and if i hear or see something bad i'll let them know
[02:48] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow they missed my street.  None of this tension, wondering if you're in the path
[03:23] <mneptok> nickrud: you can build a tornado shelter. an earthquake shelter is basically the word "relocate"
[03:24]  * Hobbsee tickles mneptok
[03:24] <nickrud> mneptok yes. And it'll work if you see it coming.
[03:25] <mneptok> oy Hobbsee
[03:25] <mneptok> how goes the struggle?
[03:25]  * Hobbsee curses the law of the toast.
[03:26] <nickrud> what, if you drop it it falls butter side down?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:26] <Hobbsee> same with the biscuit box, when it's open.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> mneptok: done one exam.  got 2 to go
[03:26] <nickrud> same with anything you don't want on the floor
[03:39]  * ajmitch spots a Hobbsee
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth: you're in Iowa?
[04:30] <Amaranth> on the border between iowa and nebraska
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> ah - didn't realize you were that close.
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> My boss is from South Souix City
[05:11] <Madpilot> evening all
[05:24] <Amaranth> tonyyarusso: that's funny, i'm from sioux city
[05:24] <Amaranth> i'm in omaha now but that's where i'm from
[06:02]  * elky_work hands hobbsee a spare cat to tape to the toast or biscuit box.
[06:03] <Madpilot> elky_work, no, tape the cat to a piece of buttered toast, and create an antigravity machine.
[06:05] <elky_work> Madpilot: yes, the theory of perpetual motion
[06:05] <elky_work> that's what i was implying
[06:08] <elky_work> Madpilot: murphy's law of antigravity is dependant on the theory of perpetual motion
[06:08] <Madpilot> at least until the cat figures out how to get the buttered toast off it's back :)
[06:08] <elky_work> Madpilot: in which case you butter the cat and fit a cone collar on it.
[06:09] <Madpilot> heh. the theory works on the "toast always lands butter-side down" realization, though. What's the scoop with buttered cats?
[06:10] <tonyyarusso> They taste just like chicken, but furrier.
[06:10] <elky_work> well, the theory works equally well with toast as a dry cracker or pancake, so why not just skip the toast/cracker/pancake and apply the butter direct to the cat? saves on food wastage
[06:11] <elky_work> http://www.begent.org/toast.htm
[06:13] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[07:04] <Myrtti> good morning
[07:05]  * Hobbsee munches on Myrttibrains
[07:06] <Myrtti> :-<
[07:34] <Myrtti> I wrote my planet.ubuntu.com thingie
[07:34] <Myrtti> :-|
[07:34] <Myrtti> well, last night actually already
[07:39] <Hobbsee> oh?
[07:43] <Myrtti> yup
[08:31] <Myrtti> meaow
[08:32] <nickrud> Myrtti could you take a look at wols_ 's history in #ubuntu
[08:32] <Myrtti> sure
[08:35] <Myrtti> nickrud: seems that he's been online for too long in one sit and someone needs to pull him over and give him a cup of hot chocolate and calmness
[08:35] <nickrud> he's nearly always been like this
[08:35] <nickrud> but more so tonight
[08:35] <Myrtti> nickrud: to me it looks that he's gotten into crazed help mode and can't help himself
[08:36] <nickrud> crazed help mode ;)
[08:36] <Myrtti> I've had those more than once
[08:36] <nickrud> yah. the rob2 syndrome
[08:36] <Myrtti> you can get into that mode too easily with a channel that big
[08:36] <Myrtti> trying to help everyone, you end up giving snappy answers
[08:36] <Myrtti> I need breakfast, brb.
[08:37] <nickrud> I'm up too late, need to go to bed. Just dropped in before closing
[08:37] <Myrtti> he needs a distraction
[08:38] <nickrud> I tick him off. Have in the past, anyway
[08:38] <Myrtti> invited to -offtopic :-)
[10:16] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[12:21] <Pici> Myrtti: \o/
[12:27] <Myrtti> whut? oh
[12:27] <Myrtti> yeah
[12:28] <Pici> Blog :)
[13:22] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[13:25] <Seeker`> PriceChild: should probably keep an eye on ndf
[13:26] <Pici> where?
[13:26] <Seeker`> -uk
[13:26] <Pici> oh, -uk?
[13:26] <Pici> figured
[13:26] <Seeker`> -13:19:25- :ndf : lol i got muted and banned from the main ubuntu channel because of some picky bathtub who was annoyed that i shouted once because nobody listened to  me. apparently that shows direct disrespect to him lol
[13:27] <Seeker`> -13:19:43- :ndf : <3 winding up americans
[13:30] <gnomefreak> explain 1000+ people need help and only a few are helping to sit back and use forums paid support or wikis. ;)
[13:32] <Mez> "forums paid support" ?
[13:32] <Seeker`> forums, paid support or wikis
[13:33] <Mez> ah
[13:33] <Mez> - thats like
[13:33] <Mez> "50% off of beer wine cocktails
[13:33] <Mez> (at the restaurant last night"
[13:33] <Mez> was a scary thought
[13:33] <Seeker`> eww :P
[13:34] <Mez> yeah, thats what I though
[13:34] <Mez> t
[13:35]  * Mez is sooo tired
[13:35]  * Mez is gonna sleep on the plane
[13:35] <Seeker`> plane?
[13:36] <Mez> yeah, plane, those things that you fly to places in :P
[13:36] <Seeker`> where to?
[13:39] <Mez> Amsterdam
[13:39] <Seeker`> cool
[13:39] <Seeker`> business or pleasure?
[13:40] <Mez> Conference.
[13:40] <PriceChild> how is ndf doing?
[13:41] <Seeker`> PriceChild: gone quiet in the last few mins
[13:41] <Seeker`> after I suggested he stopped lolling so much
[13:47] <Myrtti> humdidum
[13:50] <Mez> Hnn... 15 minutes flight on the way back.
[13:57] <Seeker`> 2hrs 15 mins on the way there?
[13:57] <Seeker`> or 1hr 15 mins
[13:57] <Seeker`> my maths is bad
[14:08] <Mez> 2:!5
[14:08] <Pici> Is that a vi command?
[14:09] <Mez> 2:15
[14:09] <Mez> :P
[14:09] <Mez> w00t - am now a debian Maintainer
[14:10] <Pici> Congrats
[14:10] <Mez> still a while to go for Debian Developer though
[14:11] <Hobbsee> oh noes!
[14:11] <Pici> oh nose!
[14:12] <Mez> Hobbsee, ssh
[14:13]  * Mez hides from Hobbsee
[14:14]  * Hobbsee spears Mez with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[14:14] <Mez> is it metal?
[14:15] <Pici> Its made of DOOM
[14:15] <Mez> is that gonna set off the metal detectors?
[14:15] <Mez> actually, it's contraband anyway, as it's pointy
[14:16] <Myrtti> I've got a pointy pink fluffy pen.
[14:16] <Myrtti> It has gone past metal detectors.
[14:16] <Pici> Proof that Myrtti is dangerous
[14:16] <Myrtti> yeah. I've got emacs cooties
[14:17] <Mez> http://boortz.com/mp3/archive/countdown.swf <-- something on my laptop for on the plane
[14:18] <Myrtti> I'm going to suffocate for laughing and eating figs at the same time
[14:19] <Myrtti> LOOLL
[14:37] <Myrtti> HAHA!
[14:37] <Myrtti> !away > Mez|DPC
[14:37] <Myrtti> :-DDDDD
[14:38] <Myrtti> pwned
[14:43] <Pici> Why am I always hopeful that after the first kick that they'll learn their lesson and be normal the second time around?
[14:44] <ikonia> Pici: school boy error
[14:44] <Myrtti> Pici: because that's what we're supposed to do
[14:44] <Myrtti> Pici: nothing to be ashamed of
[14:48] <Myrtti> now he's flooding coloured notices to me
[14:48] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[15:14] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, doing it is not the problem, the optimism is
[15:15]  * elkbuntu has just got home and leaves for work again in 7 hrs
[15:20] <Pici> Just updated the ubotu wiki page, it had a lot of old info in it
[16:57] <Myrtti> ♥
[16:59]  * Myrtti huggles everyone
[17:00] <Pici> Yay, free hugs
[17:39] <Pici> bleh
[17:39] <Myrtti> indeed
[18:14] <Myrtti> meaow
[18:14] <Pici> hi ompaul!
[18:14] <ompaul> hiya all
[18:16] <Myrtti> mew?
[18:18] <ompaul> @btlogin
[18:18]  * ompaul is curious
[18:18] <Pici> about?
[18:21] <Myrtti> mmmhh
[18:21] <Myrtti> #ubuntu: ban %*!*@ubuntu/bot/floodbot [by LjL!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl
[18:21] <Myrtti> #ubuntu: ban %*!*@unaffiliated/ljl/bot/bestbot [by  ballard.freenode.net,
[18:21] <Myrtti> when did this happen
[18:21] <Myrtti> oh, wait
[18:21] <Myrtti> nvm
[18:22]  * Myrtti goes to bed
[18:45] <PriceChild> floodbot unbanned but didn't ban :/
[18:45] <stdin> PriceChild: floodbot1 is missing, so it's constant emergency mode
[18:46] <PriceChild> ah so none of them mute?
[18:46] <stdin> no, not while one is missing
[18:47] <stdin> which is a little annoying
[18:47] <stdin> but probably for a good reason
[18:47] <PriceChild> but reasonable :/
[18:55] <ompaul> who controls it LjL?
[18:55] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ as in fb1
[18:55] <PriceChild> I believe so but can't be sure.
[18:58] <ompaul> oh noes it is SWAT_
[18:59] <SWAT_> ompaul: brb, somebody hijacked my nick ;)
[18:59]  * ompaul runs and gets the big creamy pie returns and looks for SWAT_
[19:00] <ompaul> SWAT_, there is a new service (trying to remember it) it locks the nick up really well
[19:00]  * SWAT_ ducks, ompaul slips and the pie falls on his face
[19:00] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ what am I trying to remember
[19:00] <SWAT_> ompaul: yeah yeah, I'm using it atm
[19:00] <ompaul> ack
[19:00] <ompaul> seems I am a bit behind the times
[19:00] <ompaul> :)
[19:00] <PriceChild> ompaul: enforce?
[19:00] <ompaul> thats the one
[19:01] <PriceChild> (set enforce)
[19:01] <PriceChild> but release is good enough 8-)
[19:01] <SWAT> ompaul: this is far more homey
[19:01] <ompaul> SWAT, you callin me your homey? :)
[19:02] <SWAT> ompaul: depends, do you want me to?
[19:02] <ompaul> SWAT, I just have this picture in my mind of Martins camera and the phrase "daniel needs a hug" hehe#
[19:06] <SWAT> ompaul: I deny everything!
[19:07] <ompaul> SWAT, I wasn't there myself
[19:08]  * ompaul grins and whispers "the sekret event is about to begin"
[19:09] <SWAT> ompaul: it's nice to be back though. I'm away for one week and just 6 hours after my depature, my router screws up
[19:10] <ompaul> SWAT, that is called not nice
[19:12] <tonyyarusso> Is it possible to construct a network data storage medium (such as an NFS server) such that users can view and modify the files on it, but can not copy them to another medium?
[19:12] <PriceChild> Well if you can view something, you can copy what you see?
[19:12] <PriceChild> It could be possible by restricting the client software, and the clients that can connect to the share?
[19:13] <stdin> looks like you want DRM ;)
[19:13] <PriceChild> But yeah.... seems a losing battle? :/
[19:13] <ompaul> write not read
[19:14] <ompaul> read not write to what
[19:14] <ompaul> once you can read you can write to something
[19:14] <ompaul> for one you are writing to the screen
[19:14] <ompaul> pipes were made for redirection
[19:17] <Seeker`> nalioth: ping
[19:34] <ompaul> Pici, a convo here?
[19:34] <Pici> sure
[19:34] <ompaul> PriceChild, please op yourself and invite xcell here
[19:34] <ompaul> PriceChild, then Pici or myself will have a chat
[19:34] <ompaul> s/or/and \/ or/
[19:35] <ompaul> thanks
[19:35] <ompaul> hi there
[19:35] <Xcell> hi friend
[19:36] <ompaul> Xcell,  what exactly were you trying to diagnose - only asked you here cos the other place is really busy
[19:36] <Xcell> well.. as i stated.. im running 7.10.. it has a feature to where U submit ststistics
[19:37] <Pici> I'm unsure what that has to do with firefox crashing
[19:37] <Xcell> app\systools\ubuntu device manager
[19:38] <ompaul> but what was it for diagnosing?
[19:38] <Xcell> im a simple man.. no complications here.
[19:39] <ompaul> it is a very direct question, what were you trying to do / diagnose
[19:39] <Xcell> brb coffee
[19:41] <Xcell> ok back
[19:43] <ompaul> can you please tell us what you were trying to diagnose in #ubuntu?
[19:44] <ompaul> ehhh
[19:44] <ompaul> Xcell, you want to stop playing with the bot?
[19:44] <Xcell> nothing
[19:45] <Xcell> ompaul--are you angry @ me... please dont.. god bless you man
[19:47] <jpds> hmm
[19:47] <Pici> sigh
[19:48] <nalioth> Seeker`: pong
[19:50] <Pici> ugh, what is going on this afternoon?
[19:51] <Xcell> hey
[19:51] <Pici> hey
[19:51] <Xcell> pici  why the ban.. im a helper
[19:52] <Xcell> im a good guy
[19:52] <Pici> Xcell: Could you please explain to us what you were troubleshooting by enabling statistics?
[19:52] <ompaul> the lack of direct question answering and the straying back to #ubuntu when we were trying to talk with you
[19:52] <Pici> Because from our view, it doesnt look like you were helping.
[19:52] <Xcell> lets say i was wrong.. and mistaken.. is this a good reason 4 A ban?
[19:53] <ompaul> Xcell, if you were serious you might have (a) not wandered off for coffee and (B) not been messing with the bot for no good reason when a conversation was to be had here
[19:54] <Xcell> hey.. im a helper to the best that i can.. ok
[19:54] <ompaul> Xcell, I could say your behaviour does not speak well to that agenda and your help was lacking from what I could see
[19:54] <ompaul> I could say
[19:55] <Xcell> ompaul--  ive helped alot of folks..
[19:56] <Pici> So then its okay to fool people into following directions that will do nothing to help their issue?
[19:56] <ompaul> I did not see any evidence of that
[19:56] <Xcell> I do the best that I can.. why?.. I respect Ubuntu
[19:57] <Xcell> that being said.. stop it
[19:57] <ompaul> you are not answering the questions put directly too you and you are not commenting on the comments being addressed to you
[19:57] <ompaul> this is the behaviour of a troll
[19:57] <ompaul> it measures up to it in plenty of ways
[19:57] <Pici> If you wish to contest that observation, just answer our questions :)
[19:58] <Xcell> ompaul--  i am new to the forum.. be patient.. I understand i put 8.04 down.. be honest.. folks dont have time to play... they need an os that works.. be honest.. I am. I still luv U all. ok?
[19:58] <ompaul> Xcell, give me evidence of you helping people irclogs.ubuntu.com go back a fair bit
[19:59] <ompaul> Xcell, not ok
[19:59] <Xcell> ompaul--  be honest.. 8.04 is broke.. right?
[19:59] <ompaul> Xcell, please leave this channel think about your comments in #ubuntu #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-offtopic and come back at the weekend and perhaps just perhaps we can have chat about your access to the channel
[20:00] <ompaul> !guidelines | Xcell
[20:00] <ompaul> !coc | Xcell
[20:00] <Xcell> U know it.. I know it.. why trail those folks on an empty trail
[20:00] <ompaul> Xcell, required reading
[20:00] <Xcell> U are not being honest ompaul
[20:01] <Xcell> U folks built this network on honesty.. why stop now?
[20:02] <ompaul> Xcell, it is your behaviour that is being challenged and you have not helped yourself here, have a nice day elsewhere
[20:02] <Xcell> like i said.. im a (good) guy
[20:02] <ompaul> do I get typo of the day for that one>?
[20:09] <tomaw> you didn't mean to ban him?
[20:09] <ompaul> bye / buy
[20:09] <tomaw> he's asking me what's going on now
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> !u | times a million
[20:09] <tomaw> oh
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> :P
[20:09] <ompaul> tomaw, well he can look at the logs and see we have moved on
[20:10] <tomaw> I didn't think your public logs logged mode changes
[20:10] <tomaw> can I send him back here?
[20:10] <ompaul> ;-) that could be a good thing
[20:10] <ompaul> and if he fails to engage straight away he will be banned
[20:10] <ompaul> and I won't lift it
[20:10] <ompaul> for a day or so
[20:10] <ompaul> however he got let me see
[20:11] <Seeker`> nalioth: any news on the mootbot logs?
[20:11] <ompaul> 25 minutes already to engage
[20:11] <tomaw> what do you mean by "to engage"?
[20:11] <ompaul> converse
[20:11] <tomaw> after joining here?
[20:11] <ompaul> joined at 35 and removed at 02
[20:11] <ompaul> yeas
[20:12] <ompaul> some bot abuse in #ubuntu in the mean time
[20:12] <ompaul> wandered off to get a coffee
[20:12] <tomaw> I can quite honestly say I have no idea what you're trying to say :)
[20:12] <ompaul> me, how can we help you?
[20:13] <ompaul> tomaw, pm on the way
[20:13] <me> re-instate me.. tx
[20:13] <Seeker`> me: when were you banned?
[20:14] <me> folks.. i am a good man.. why the harassment
[20:14] <ompaul> me are you xcell?
[20:14] <me> yes sir
[20:15] <ompaul> well the bad news that you did not engage with us in the 25 minutes you were here
[20:15] <ompaul> I said come back at the weekend
[20:16] <me> ompaul--  stop.. im a good guy.. talk to me
[20:16] <ompaul> me,
[20:16] <ompaul> no there is no value in it talk to us after you read those documents and come back in a couple of days
[20:17] <ompaul> !cic
[20:17] <ompaul> !coc
[20:17] <ompaul> !guidelines
[20:17] <me> stop it
[20:17] <ompaul> me, have you got those urls open?
[20:17] <me> I am a 47 yr old retired engineer..
[20:18] <tonyyarusso> how is that relevant?
[20:18] <ompaul> me, then you most certainly should know better
[20:18] <ompaul> me, please read those documents get some handle on where we are coming from
[20:18] <me> maybe so.. but i try to keep the work load simple
[20:18] <ompaul> me and come back in a few days
[20:19] <ompaul> me, do we have an understanding?
[20:20] <me> why? cuz U angered me.. Ur afraid I may say the wrong thing.. Ill sue U bastards.. watch me
[20:20] <jpds> I'll take that as a no..
[20:21]  * ompaul looks on and wonders
[20:21] <jussi01> hehe, He can sue me and get the 5.70¤ in my bank account :D
[20:22] <ompaul> jussi01, sent it to me quickly I might still be able to get a litre of petrol for it :)
[20:23] <ompaul> make money fast on irc ;-)
[20:23] <jussi01> ompaul: LOL, I was seriously thinking about getting a car from think.no today...
[20:23]  * nickrud wonders how much #ubuntu is worth ...
[20:25] <Gary> bout 27p
[20:25] <ompaul> Gary, that is a tad high is it not?
[20:26] <jussi01> Gary: that much? o.O
[20:27] <Gary> hehe
[20:27] <Gary> how does one sue a open source (ie free) distro's ops?
[20:28] <ompaul> Gary, I tell me ;-)
[20:28]  * nickrud takes his name off ident
[20:28] <jussi01> Gary: he can sue us for our lp karma :D
[20:28] <Gary> can have mine - I think it is in a minus figure
[20:29] <ompaul> jussi01, he can have that :)
[20:29] <ompaul> nickrud, yeah right
[20:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Does anyone have the ip from conner yesterday... justme has the same writing style
[20:34] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, I'll look
[20:34] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks..
[20:34] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, not here
[20:36] <tomaw> Xcell claims he is going to talk to his lawyer as I can't help him get unbanned.
[20:36] <ompaul> tomaw, that is great
[20:36] <ompaul> and I can sue for abuse by being called -- ohh why bother
[20:37] <tomaw> :)
[20:42] <Jack_Sparrow> ompaul check this.. hes back with a diff ip   again..  * [justme] (n=who@dslb-084-061-205-074.pools.arcor-ip.net): cares
[20:42] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, no that is
[20:42] <ompaul> justme
[20:42] <ompaul> :)
[20:42] <ompaul> unless he is two people
[20:42] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[20:42] <ompaul> which is possible but if a troll then ask them to stop if they fail
[20:43] <ompaul> well at least you asked
[20:43] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[20:52] <Xcell> .
[20:54] <Xcell> I  want back my status and #ubuntu.. what the hell is wron with you people.. Ive done nothing wrong
[20:59] <Xcell> ompaul--  ur an op/.. this I know..ay attention here it isfolks : http://www.infowars.net/
[20:59] <Xcell> WAKE>> UP!
[20:59] <ompaul> Host http://www.infowars.net.WAG54GS not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[21:00] <ompaul> interesting
[21:03] <ompaul> not
[21:17] <ompaul> after a bit of digging it appears that deuryte or xcell has form
[21:18] <ompaul> Pici, ^^
[21:18] <ompaul> note the join nick googling found a whole bunch of stuff s
[21:18] <ompaul> so I am not going to release that your call if you want to
[21:23] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ we have someone here who has persisted in disrupting channels since last year
[21:47] <ompaul> jussi01, got a moment?
[21:50] <jussi01> ompaul: sure
[22:04] <ompaul> erichammond, how can we help you?
[22:04] <ompaul> erichammond, this is #ubuntu-ops how can we help you?
[22:05] <erichammond> ompaul: I was sent here following instructions on #ubuntu-server.  I was just scanning the logs to check on recent history and protocol for asking for help...
[22:06] <erichammond> I'm connecting using port 8001 as requested by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit but still can't join #ubuntu
[22:06] <ompaul> erichammond, please join #ubuntu-read-topic
[22:06] <erichammond> On #ubuntu-read-topic for last 6+ minutes I am getting repeated "FloodBot1: erichammond: Sorry, you'll have to wait a little longer, we are experiencing problems... hold tight! Contact the operators if you can't join in some minutes."
[22:06] <ompaul> erichammond, please say this in the channel
[22:07] <ompaul> test me
[22:07] <erichammond> ompaul: been there, done that :)
[22:07] <ompaul> can't see it in the channel myself
[22:07] <ompaul> and I have been there as long as you
[22:07] <erichammond> Here's the last one: (02:06:50 PM) FloodBot1: erichammond: Sorry, you'll have to wait a little longer, we are experiencing problems... hold tight! Contact the operators if you can't join in some minutes.
[22:08] <christel> ompaul: stop getting sued!
[22:08]  * christel huggles
[22:08] <ompaul> christel, heh
[22:09] <ompaul> serial troll that was
[22:09] <christel> you know
[22:09] <christel> the only good thing to come from windows vista..
[22:09] <christel> is that sidebar voodoo doll app?
[22:09] <christel> where you name your virtual voodoo doll and stick needles in it?
[22:10] <mneptok> can you name it Vista?
[22:10] <christel> i keep a vista install on one of my laptops just to do that when we have really annoying users
[22:10] <christel> mind, most of the time its called tomaw :D
[22:10] <tomaw> oi
[22:10] <christel> mneptok: i havent tried! i will do so next time
[22:11] <ompaul> mneptok, why stick needles in a zombie already?
[22:11] <ompaul> ;-0
[22:11] <ompaul> erichammond, which channel were you banned from ?
[22:11]  * ompaul wonders if I have ops there
[22:12] <PriceChild> ompaul: there is a bot missing so they won't do unbans i guess, shall we -o them and change topic to the old way of doing things?
[22:12] <ompaul> PriceChild, no it is good to get people to only come here as opposed to us looking
[22:13] <ompaul> and not getting replies then you get my old syndrome of removing people and you see the same ones rejoin
[22:13] <PriceChild> i meant change the topic to say "follow these instructions then come to -ops and ask for a test"
[22:13] <ompaul> ahh yes
[22:13] <ompaul> ok y
[22:13] <christel> can i have a test
[22:13] <ompaul> erichammond, your clear to go
[22:14] <ompaul> erichammond, you can quit here and that other channel and join #ubuntu
[22:14] <ompaul> christel, what is one plus one?
[22:14] <PriceChild> christel: please? :)
[22:14] <christel> seven
[22:14] <PriceChild> seven is darker
[22:14] <christel> pretty please with sugar on top
[22:15] <christel> why on earth a i watching SkyPoker?
[22:15] <ompaul> hehe
[22:15] <ompaul> he closed his client
[22:15]  * ompaul cries in pain
[22:15] <ompaul> ohh well
[22:18] <ompaul> PriceChild, I kind of preserved the topic
[22:18] <ompaul> have a look
[22:18] <ompaul> you may wish to kill it off
[22:19] <ompaul> PriceChild, and I muted the floodbots
[22:19] <ompaul> only if 3 joins will they now be able to react
[22:19] <ompaul> or one of them quits and rejoins
[22:19] <PriceChild> topic looks ugly here with spaces?
[22:20] <ompaul> PriceChild, it was to preserve the middle bit which looked well let me remove the spaces in the middle
[22:20] <PriceChild> ompaul: just remove the end
[22:21] <PriceChild> i'm sure we can reconstruct it when bots return, memory/logs etc.
[22:22] <ompaul> there is that
[22:23] <ompaul> fixed
[22:25] <Amaranth> there were space?
[22:25] <Amaranth> spaces*
[22:25] <Myrtti> purrrr
[22:25] <Myrtti> sleep ♥
[22:25] <ompaul> Amaranth, we wrapped them in blanks and hoped no one noticed
[22:46] <mneptok> don;t try and tell me there's not one bit of difference between null and space, because that's exactly how much difference there is.
[22:47] <ompaul> mneptok, if there were enough differences it would be a byte
[22:48] <ompaul> mneptok, Bluebeard and such like pirates had an interest in computing but their lack of education kept them back ..... pieces of eight ... they never worked out bytes and words ......
[22:50] <mneptok> and they kept spelling it "arrrrrga"
[22:50] <mneptok> arrrrgs, even
[23:27] <ompaul> PriceChild, can you confirm / deny what I just said in -irc
[23:27] <PriceChild> ompaul: yep, would like them to be in the ubuntumembers group before we do cloaks
[23:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, are you now following -irc?
[23:28] <mez> btw, incase people dont realise - am away for a while
[23:29] <ompaul> PriceChild, he is just lp seems to be broken  https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+members
[23:30] <PriceChild> ompaul: he's in it according to https://edge.launchpad.net/~udienz/+participation
[23:30] <ompaul> you can search for him there and the links given correspond
[23:30] <PriceChild> I think it is a bug in launchpad, that if you apply, when confirmed, your join date is that of your application, not the confirmation
[23:30] <ompaul> ahh
[23:30] <Mez|DPC> am hating it here already - I dont have a double room!!!!
[23:30]  * Mez|DPC hasnt slept in a single bed in 6 years
[23:30] <ompaul> PriceChild, and it is not showing on his main page
[23:31] <PriceChild> ompaul: yep, he has too many so it doesn't show, if you click the show all teams, it lists ubuntumembers
[23:31] <ompaul> ahhh
[23:31] <ompaul> PriceChild, nalioth can one of you guys sort him out
[23:31] <ompaul> and tell each other :)
[23:32] <PriceChild> Hey nalioth!! :)
[23:33] <nalioth> sort who out?
[23:34] <ompaul> nalioth, you are doing so already
[23:34] <nalioth> i am?
[23:35]  * nalioth needs sorting
[23:35]  * Pici bubblesorts nalioth
[23:35] <Pici> goo bubblesort
[23:35] <Seeker`> bogosort is better
[23:36] <Pici> bubblesort is *horribly* slow
[23:37] <Pici> But fun to watch on the sorting out sorting video
[23:37] <Seeker`> Pici: Do you have any idea how *horribly slow* bogosort is?
[23:37] <Pici> Seeker`: nope
[23:38] <Seeker`> Pici: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort
[23:38] <Pici> Thats pretty horrible
[23:38] <Pici> At least bubblesort makes an effor
[23:38] <Pici> t
[23:40] <PriceChild> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/212439 is the bug with approval times that i mentioned earlier


[12:32] <zul> l
[13:57] <stgraber> who should I contact for yet another kde language pack breaking Edubuntu livefs build ?
[13:57] <cjwatson> I asked pitti about that this morning
[13:57] <cjwatson> (#ubuntu-devel)
[13:57] <pitti> still in the pipeline
[13:58] <stgraber> cool, thanks
[13:58]  * stgraber go read #ubuntu-devel's backlog
[14:00] <stgraber> ah, ok, it broke more than just edubuntu this time ;) Usually we are the only ones getting the weird issues as we include all the existing langpacks and get broken livefs when a langpack stops being generated (or similar).
[15:01] <pitti> stgraber, cjwatson: langpacks fixed; was noise in the source dirs on macquarie, sorry about that
[15:05] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:08] <stgraber> yeah ! thanks pitti
[15:09] <stgraber> can we get a respin ?
[15:09] <pitti> stgraber: the two packages still need to build/publish
[15:09] <pitti> stgraber: tomorrow's cronjobs will take care of it, or do you need it urgently?
[15:11] <stgraber> I guess we can wait till "tomorrow" (as in, later this evening here).
[15:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: fine, I'm here now :)
[16:53] <stgraber> highvoltage: cool ;)
[18:25] <micahg> skaet: ping re latexila and cairo dock
[19:17] <skaet> micahg, latexila seems reasonable, impact scope (via rdepends) is localized, approved.    looking into cairo dock now.
[19:21] <skaet> micahg,  what's the bug number for cairo doc?   (am not spotting it, probably overlooking something :P )
[19:32] <micahg> skaet: bug 723994, it's not entirely ready for upload yet, but basically it's in Debian, but we still might need to keep a diff, I hope to have it ready before beta
[19:32] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 723994 in cairo-dock (Ubuntu) "FFe: Please update Cairo-Dock to 2.3.0~0rc1 version (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723994
[19:37] <skaet> micahg,  have gone in and subscribed ubuntu-release team to it, so it shows up on the list properly, and indicatedits being targetted to Natty.     When its ready,  please update the bug with the testing done and scope of impact, so we can figure out the risk and timing based on when its available.  :)
[19:38] <micahg> skaet: ok, thanks
[20:05] <ScottK> skaet: Why do we have a new mailing list for the Ubuntu Release team?  We already have a mailing list.
[20:13]  * iulian nods.
[20:18] <skaet> ScottK, Iulian,  because I was trying to send a message to just the members of the release team to do some coordination and discussion, and since its set for individuals right now, people weren't able to see each others responses.
[20:19] <ScottK> skaet: We have ubuntu-release on lists.ubuntu.com.
[20:20] <ScottK> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-release
[21:45] <skaet> ScottK, Iulian, Sorry, was OTP.  Yes we have that list, but the culture that has evolved around it, is that it appears to be generally used for announces from what I've been able to observe (since I've been the one posting to it mostly for the last couple of months ;) ).   There are 50+ folk subscribed to it, most with gmail accounts and names I don't recognize, so I think they're expecting it to be release announc
[21:45] <skaet> ements.
[21:46] <nhandler> skaet: I don't think it has ever been marketed as being for release announcements. That is what ubuntu-announce and ubuntu-devel-announce are for.
[21:48] <skaet> nhandler, it seems to be mostly a dead list if you look at the archives, and with 50+ folk subscribed didn't feel like a good place to have the discussion about final release freeze date.
[21:49] <slangasek> skaet: quite - that list exists for (public) discussion among the release team, that it's mostly used for announcements these days is really beside the point
[21:49] <slangasek> I don't think we really want another new mailing list
[21:50] <nhandler> I also think you will find a number of developers and users subscribed to that list for the sole purpose of being able to observe these sorts of discussions
[21:51] <skaet> ok.   will tryi it that way then.
[21:51] <skaet> and see what emerges.
[22:34] <ev> slangasek: are you on archive admin duty today? Would you mind NEWing apt-clone?
[22:47] <slangasek> ev: I am, and I would not mind in the least
[22:47] <ev> yay, thanks
[22:50] <slangasek> ev: I'm assuming it's ok for this to be in universe, it's not expected to go into main this long after FF?
[22:50] <ev> it already exists in ubiquity, this is just better organizing things
[22:51] <ev> so I'd like it to go into main
[22:51] <slangasek> ok
[22:52] <slangasek> accepted
[22:54] <ev> brilliant, thanks again


[01:24] <likemindead> Lubuntu is amazing.
[01:24] <likemindead> My old Lenovo 3000 N100 is running great now!
[14:26] <hebl> Hi. Unfortunately changed my screen resolution to an unsupported resolution. Now i only have unreadable noise on my screen when i boot. Is there a config file i can change from console to revert to standard resolution?