[01:39] <virtu> Hi.. need some help
[02:50] <FunkyStickman> you still here, virtu?
[02:50] <virtu> yes FunkyStickman
[02:50] <FunkyStickman> what do you need help with?
[02:50] <virtu> sync an audio file to a video file
[02:50] <FunkyStickman> playing it back with something like Mplayer?
[02:51] <virtu> yes... I have 2 files: a video with no sound that I recorded when I was playing the piano
[02:51] <virtu> and the audio from piano
[02:51] <virtu> now I want to sync the audio with the video
[02:51] <FunkyStickman> ah, I see. Do you just want to play them back synced, or combine them?
[02:52] <virtu> combine them
[02:52] <virtu> because the video starts earlier then the sound
[02:52] <virtu> so I have to check the exact moment to start the audio
[02:53] <FunkyStickman> you could use a program like Kino to combine them and put them together, Kino lets you overdub a separate audio track, and has a value you can offset it by
[02:53] <virtu> hmm
[02:54] <virtu> perfect
[02:54] <virtu> I already have it
[02:54] <virtu> let's try... tks FunkyStickman
[02:54] <FunkyStickman> Kino has a lot of other neat features too, like making titles. It's a linear editor, though, so works best when making simple videos or credits
[02:54] <FunkyStickman> I use it mostly for making title credits, but use it however you see fit
[02:55] <virtu> =)
[02:55] <virtu> this is my first video record and also my first video editing
[02:55] <virtu> so... I recored using my cell phone... video is a crap, but the audio is good enough
[02:57] <virtu> hmm kino imported the video with wrong settings I think... the video is in fast mode
[02:57] <FunkyStickman> interesting...
[02:57] <FunkyStickman> what format is it? Mpeg?
[02:57] <virtu> .avi
[02:58] <virtu> 3mb file
[02:59] <FunkyStickman> does it play back correctly in mplayer?
[03:00] <virtu> in totem, yes
[03:00] <FunkyStickman> ugh.
[03:00] <virtu> also in vlc
[03:00] <FunkyStickman> how much faster is it?
[03:00] <FunkyStickman> 2x?
[03:00] <FunkyStickman> 1.5?
[03:00] <virtu> very fast
[03:01] <virtu> maybe 5x
[03:01] <virtu> kino imports to .dv format
[03:01] <FunkyStickman> correct, it is supposed to auto resample it, check the project's default settings
[03:02] <FunkyStickman> click "edit -> preferences" and make sure it's set to the same general format, if it's 4:3 or whatever
[03:02] <virtu> right now i am doing that
[03:02] <virtu> let's see
[03:02] <FunkyStickman> if the project is set to 4:3 and NTSC it will try to reformat everything to fit that
[03:02] <FunkyStickman> just a stab in the dark
[03:03] <virtu> ok...
[03:04] <FunkyStickman> but I'm thinking it's miscalculating the audio/video bitrate
[03:06] <virtu> NTSC, 44,1khz and 4:3
[03:06] <virtu> let's try this seetings
[03:07] <virtu> still fast
[03:11] <FunkyStickman> hmmm
[03:12] <virtu> with avidemux is there away to sync them up?
[03:12] <FunkyStickman> might try using mencoder to resample it... but the mencoder manual is like 200 pages
[03:12] <FunkyStickman> mencoder could do it
[03:12] <virtu> yeah.. mencoder is not so user friendly =(
[03:12] <FunkyStickman> not even remotely
[03:12] <FunkyStickman> but it is the most powerful resampling tool there is
[03:17] <virtu> with avidemux I can open the video, but I cant sync the audio =/
[03:25] <virtu> FunkyStickman, I am back to kino again... and now it seems to be 2 or 3x fast
[03:25] <virtu> I change some seetings into display tab
[03:25] <virtu> so I almost done with it
[03:25] <virtu> =)
[03:28] <virtu> ok got it right
[03:29] <virtu> change some settings into display and sound tab
[03:57] <FunkyStickman> fantastic
[03:57] <FunkyStickman> Kino takes about 10 minutes to figure out, but once you've got it, it's pretty simple
[03:58] <virtu> how can I add a mp3 file into it?
[03:58] <virtu> I try some options and didnt work
[03:59] <virtu> so I am back to zero... =(
[03:59] <virtu> to import the video I had to uncheck the sound module on Kino =/
[03:59] <virtu> problem with pulseaudio
[04:00] <FunkyStickman> grrrr. I hate pulseaudio
[04:00] <FunkyStickman> so does everyone else, apparently
[04:01] <FunkyStickman> cause they haven't fixed it yet
[04:01] <virtu> aham
[04:01] <virtu> wait a second... will record all video and sound again
[04:04] <virtu> I always made a mistake when recording =/
[04:07] <FunkyStickman> hmmm
[04:12] <virtu> ok... everything recored again (better now)
[04:15] <keantoken> Hello, is anyone there?
[04:16] <keantoken> Ubuntustudio is hanging on me after trying to install audacious 2.4...
[04:16] <keantoken> Won't start up, just displays the splash screen forever.
[04:16] <keantoken> I have a screenshot: http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa290/keantoken/DCP00894.jpg
[04:20] <keantoken> I used the code on this page: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/install-audacious2-24-beta-1-in-ubuntu.html
[04:20] <holstein> keantoken: hey
[04:20] <holstein> i'll be a minute...
[04:21] <holstein> if you can ahng
[04:21] <holstein> hang*
[04:21] <keantoken> It's aliiiiiiive! I'll be here while I can.
[04:27] <holstein> keantoken: does an ubuntu live CD run?
[04:28] <keantoken> I've lost mine, otherwise I would have tried.
[04:28] <holstein> i think that would be a good troubleshooting step
[04:28] <keantoken> Maybe I could burn one quickly.
[04:28] <holstein> i think its a graphics card issue
[04:29] <holstein> card driver issue *
[04:29] <keantoken> I've never had a graphics issue, except after kernel updates which were easily fixed.
[04:29] <holstein> keantoken: with ubuntu?
[04:30] <keantoken> ubuntustudio
[04:30] <holstein> keantoken: SO, this is an install that used to work?
[04:31] <holstein> is it 10.10 ?
[04:31] <keantoken> 10.04
[04:31] <holstein> 23:16 < keantoken> Ubuntustudio is hanging on me after trying to install audacious 2.4...
[04:31] <keantoken> I've been using it for several months.
[04:31] <holstein>  what doest that mean?

[04:32] <holstein> keantoken: OK
[04:32] <holstein> i see
[04:32] <holstein> you added the audacious testing PPA
[04:33] <holstein> keantoken: did you install it?
[04:33] <holstein> i cant imagine what in that PPA would break X
[04:34] <keantoken> I installed using the code at the bottom of the linked page. Then I saw the link below it to the newer stable versions.
[04:34] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/unstable
[04:34] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:34] <holstein> sudo apt-get install audacious audacious-plugins
[04:34] <holstein> ^ that
[04:34] <holstein> you did that right?
[04:35] <keantoken> yes
[04:35] <holstein> did you get any errors?
[04:35] <keantoken> I saw many warnings, but no errors.
[04:36] <keantoken> But afterwards Synaptic would not open when I wanted to add the PPA audacious repositories.
[04:37] <keantoken> So I rebooted to see if that would fix things and this happened.
[04:37] <holstein> apt-add adds the repos
[04:37] <holstein> keantoken: i would look at
[04:38] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html
[04:38] <holstein> ^^ hehe, at the same website even :)
[04:38] <holstein> keantoken: assumming you can get to the command line
[04:38] <holstein> recovery terminal or whatever its called
[04:39] <keantoken> I can get to the command line via Grub and recovery mode kernel
[04:41] <holstein> keantoken: COOL
[04:41] <holstein> try ppa purge
[04:41] <holstein> maybe
[04:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:41] <holstein> after that
[04:41] <holstein> IF it does not 'give up the funk'
[04:43] <keantoken> I just wrote down the commands, and will get back
[04:44] <holstein> keantoken: good luck
[04:46] <keantoken> It says "ppa: command not found"
[04:47] <virtu> still with problems to sync =(
[04:49] <holstein> keantoken: with the ppa purge?
[04:49] <keantoken> yes.
[04:49] <keantoken> I'm logged in as root. Should I login as my normal user?
[04:50] <holstein> should be
[04:50] <holstein> sudo ppa-purge ppa:webupd8team/unstable
[04:51] <holstein> keantoken: you'll need root
[04:51] <holstein> or sudo
[04:51] <holstein> might need to install ppapurge
[04:51] <holstein> i havent used it other than inside ubuntutweak
[04:51] <holstein> it=ppa-purge
[04:53] <keantoken> Also also keep seeing the error "sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error (1)"
[04:53] <keantoken> I tried ppa purg and ppa-purge
[04:53] <holstein> keantoken: try
[04:54] <keantoken> do I use "sudo apt-get install ppapurge"?
[04:54] <holstein> keantoken: yeah
[04:54] <holstein> try it
[04:54] <holstein> also
[04:54] <holstein> you can try
[04:54] <holstein> sudo apt-get -f install
[04:54] <holstein> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/sub-process-usr-bin-dpkg-returned-an-error-code-1-a-171107/
[04:54] <holstein> also, about the PPA purge http://bigbrovar.aoizora.org/index.php/2010/01/10/how-to-safely-remove-ppa-repository-from-ubuntu/
[04:56] <virtu> it sucks to try add audio and video to a new file =/
[04:57] <keantoken> It says "can't find package ppapurge"
[04:58] <holstein> right
[04:58] <holstein> you'll probably need to install it
[04:58] <holstein> thats probably
[04:58] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[04:58] <holstein> or ppapurge
[04:58] <holstein> which ever it is
[04:58] <keantoken> I tried that too.
[04:58] <holstein> i think its ppa-purge
[04:59] <holstein> keantoken: tried what?
[05:00] <keantoken> I tried both ppapurge and ppa-purge
[05:00] <holstein> installing them?
[05:00]  * holstein looking
[05:01] <holstein> yeah
[05:01] <holstein> ppa-purge
[05:01] <holstein> ppa-purge - disables a PPA and reverts to official packages
[05:01] <holstein> so you'll need to install it
[05:01] <holstein> with
[05:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[05:01] <holstein> if apt is complaining
[05:01] <holstein> try running that fix
[05:01] <holstein> sudo apt-get -f install
[05:02] <holstein> almost seems like the computer shutdown in the middle of installing packages
[05:03] <keantoken> I've tried all this and nothing works
[05:03] <holstein> you've tried both of those
[05:03] <keantoken> yes
[05:03] <holstein> and these are not working yet
[05:04] <holstein> any more errors from apt?
[05:06] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541998
[05:06] <holstein> suggests http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=541998
[05:06] <holstein> opps
[05:06] <holstein> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:06] <holstein>
[05:09] <holstein> keantoken: good news is
[05:09] <holstein> you can look more places for help
[05:09] <holstein> this would not be studio specific
[05:09] <holstein> if you drop that error in a more active channel
[05:09] <holstein> you might get better suggestions :)
[05:11] <keantoken> I see "gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: gconftool2: undefined symbol: g_option_content_new
[05:11] <holstein> where?
[05:12] <holstein> that could be an update that got borked
[05:13] <keantoken> running that last command
[05:13] <keantoken> I get many lines saying libglib2.0 has not been configured yet.
[05:13] <holstein> i would expect to see this if an update or upgrade was going on
[05:14] <holstein> and the power was cut to the machine
[05:14] <holstein> anyways
[05:14] <holstein> your going to need to figure out what happened to you packages
[05:14] <holstein> and how to straigten it out
[05:14] <holstein> keantoken: does apt work now?
[05:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[05:15] <keantoken> Before I founde the audacious repository I was trying to install the audacious dependencies and I'll bet I screwed up installing the esoteric libglib
[05:15] <keantoken> along with the esoteric libglib+2.5
[05:15] <keantoken> which was worth a good rant...
[05:16] <keantoken> Actually that's gtk+2.5, not libglib...
[05:16] <holstein> keantoken: still should be able to straigten in out though
[05:16] <holstein>                                      it*
[05:17] <holstein> im the kind of guy that would probably fuss with it for a day or so
[05:17] <holstein> then reinstall ;)
[05:22] <keantoken> How much of my system will remain as it was if I reinstall?
[05:24] <holstein> depends
[05:24] <holstein> you mean your entire system?
[05:24] <holstein> if your dual booting something else
[05:25] <holstein> the other OS should be fine
[05:25] <holstein> IF you have a separate home partition
[05:25] <holstein> and dont format it
[05:25] <holstein> you would have most config files and personal files in place
[05:26] <holstein> you can backup your home directory though
[05:26] <holstein> i think ubuntu one does that :)
[05:27] <keantoken> What if I ran ./configure from the libglib folder?
[05:27]  * holstein shrugs
[05:27] <holstein> i would try googling each error you get from a package manager
[05:27] <holstein> and try fixing you packages
[05:31] <keantoken> Thanks for your help. How can I copy my home directory to a safe place?
[05:32] <keantoken> Upgrading to 10.10 sounds appealing anyways.
[05:32] <holstein> yeah
[05:32] <holstein> might as well
[05:32] <holstein> im staying with 10.04
[05:32] <holstein> keantoken: i would probaly just use a USB stick
[05:32] <virtu> almosto done
[05:33] <holstein> you can use a live CD to copy it over if needed
[05:37] <keantoken> How do I put it in the new install without causing strange things to happen?
[05:38] <holstein> carefully ;)
[05:38] <holstein> permissions is really the only issue you should have
[05:38] <holstein> keantoken: just grab the stuff you need
[05:38] <holstein> maybe .mozilla
[05:38] <holstein> just move that into your home
[05:39] <holstein> before you open FF
[05:39] <holstein> OR overwrite whatever .mozilla is already there
[05:39] <holstein> same for the others in theory
[05:41] <keantoken> Alright, I will try that.
[05:41] <holstein> keantoken: you should try asking around though
[05:41] <holstein> maybe in your local ubuntu channel
[05:41] <holstein> IF you feel like troubleshooting a bit more
[05:46] <keantoken> Nah, I think I feel like dealing with upgrade caveats. Though I wish upgrades really meant smoother running linux...
[05:54] <keantoken> Thanks again. Bye.
[06:32] <virtu> finally
[06:32] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqzjYf1lmQY
[06:32] <virtu> sync in windows =(
[06:33] <holstein> virtu: nice
[06:33] <holstein> is that your tune?
[06:34] <virtu> yes
[06:34] <virtu> recorded the video with a smartphone
[06:34] <virtu> and the audio with built in recorder
[06:51] <virtu> time to go...
[06:51] <virtu> c ya
[06:52] <virtu> tks
[12:10] <floogy> Hi, I'm running lucid on amd64,  alsa-base and source <IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-0ubuntu3 and  linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-26-generic    2.6.32-26.25
[12:12] <floogy> I got no sound at all, but the levelmeter for pulseaudio shows a moving graph if I paplay a wav file
[12:13] <floogy> But, When booting into windows I will have sound in winxp
[12:13] <floogy> $ uname -a
[12:13] <floogy> Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-26-preempt #48-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 24 10:43:13 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:15] <floogy> pulseaudio -vv gives this:
[12:15] <floogy> D: module-rtp-recv.c: wi=1862304822 ri=1794430839
[12:15] <floogy> D: module-rtp-recv.c: Write index deviates by 67873,98 ms, expected 500,00 ms
[12:15] <floogy> D: module-rtp-recv.c: Hmmm, rate fix is too large (594238 Hz), not applying.
[12:15] <floogy> D: module-rtp-recv.c: Updated sampling rate to 44100 Hz.
[12:15] <floogy> D: module-rtp-recv.c: Updating sample rate
[12:17] <floogy> What happened to the alsa driver?
[12:19] <floogy> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=866e92f95489a8aea93f45916fa35b85b05b366b
[12:22] <floogy> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300801/
[12:24] <floogy> I guess it's an issue with the alsa driver itself.
[12:24] <floogy> Does anyone knoe how to debug this?
[12:24] <floogy> knoe/know
[14:37] <virtu> hi
[14:37] <virtu> good morning
[14:38]  * holstein waves to virtu
[14:40] <virtu> slept only 4 hours.... spend all night trying to sync the audio on that video that I post at youtube
[14:40] <holstein> can be challenging
[14:41] <holstein> i thought it looked fine
[14:41] <holstein> in sync
[14:41] <holstein> i remember using virtualdub in windows
[14:41] <holstein> because i was having sync issues with some project
[14:42] <virtu> Yeah... I use Windows Movie Maker and it was very easy
[14:42] <holstein> it was one of my first experiences with open source software
[14:42] <holstein> worked great
[14:42] <holstein> at the time, movie maker was way off
[14:42] <virtu> so... in linux ambient I got a lot of difficulties... =(
[14:42] <holstein> well, the vid would start fine
[14:42] <holstein> and then the audio trailed off
[14:42] <holstein> after 20 minutes or so
[14:42] <holstein> til it got WAY off
[14:43] <virtu> aham...
[14:43] <holstein> like 5+ seconds or so
[14:43] <holstein> after an hour
[14:44] <holstein> im not familiar with linux ambient
[14:44] <holstein> virtu: should have been in sync from the source
[14:44] <holstein> the phone
[14:44] <virtu> and that matters make me mad... because it seems very simple to sync, but you need a nice software... and WMM has a simple function that allow to delay the sound
[14:44] <holstein> if not, i would look there
[14:44] <holstein> maybe use something like ustream
[14:44] <holstein> with a PC
[14:44] <holstein> then, its uploaded
[14:45] <holstein> and in sync
[14:45] <holstein> and share-able
[14:45] <holstein> all in one go
[14:45] <virtu> sure, it could be, but I recorded the video in mute because the poor quality of video camera
[14:46] <holstein> you should be able to add
[14:46] <holstein> and edit the audio
[14:46] <holstein> in whatever editor
[14:46] <holstein> pitivi or avidmeux
[14:46] <virtu> ohh sure...
[14:46] <holstein> or whatever you want
[14:46] <virtu> but it was very hard to sync them up into pitivi and avidemux
[14:47] <holstein> well, the piece is mostly rubato
[14:47] <virtu> in pitivi I didnt find an option to adjust when the sound begins in seconds
[14:47] <holstein> that would add to the challenge
[14:48] <holstein> i think if i had a project like that
[14:48] <holstein> i would try and have a click track going
[14:48] <holstein> and sync up to it
[14:48] <holstein> on both ends
[14:48] <holstein> vid and audio
[14:48] <holstein> and have some kind of clap on the same beat in the lead in
[14:49] <holstein> go to where the clap is in the vid and line that up with the clap on the audio
[14:50] <holstein> even if its going to be rubato
[14:50] <holstein> and i wanted to record the video and the audio at the same time
[14:50] <holstein> just on different devices
[14:50] <virtu> sure...
[14:50] <holstein> i would still try and clap i think
[14:50] <holstein> or something visual and audible
[14:50] <holstein> to sync to
[14:51] <virtu> visual will be easier
[14:51] <holstein> like they used to do in the movies
[14:51] <virtu> you see your finger and listen the audio.. when they are matching... you will note that all audio and video must be synced
[14:51] <holstein> with that clacker board
[14:52] <holstein> virtu: probably just bothers you
[14:52] <holstein> what i saw looked fine
[14:53] <holstein> i didnt notice any sync issues
[14:53] <virtu> yeahh... that was the better that I did that time
[14:53] <holstein> you could also do a slide show or something
[14:53] <holstein> and play the audio along to that
[14:53] <holstein> then the sync wouldnt be that important
[14:53] <virtu> check this out:
[14:54] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xqO5Ycses
[14:55] <holstein> yeah, you just need a good reference point
[14:55] <holstein> a clap or something short and stacato from the piano
[14:56] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZDyKlf8bdE
[14:56] <holstein> when we did these
[14:56] <holstein> the guy had the pianist play a loud short staccato 'bang'
[14:56] <holstein> on the piano
[14:57] <holstein> that he could see clearly on the video
[14:58] <virtu> a challenge to sync that...
[14:58] <virtu> but with that signs (visible) it seems to make easier
[14:59] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk
[14:59] <holstein> we did it each time
[14:59] <holstein> he recorded a concert
[14:59] <holstein> not sure how that got synced up
[14:59] <holstein> but it did
[15:00] <holstein> i like these better though
[15:00] <virtu> like the piano melody from the last one
[15:00] <virtu> smotth
[15:01] <virtu> smooth
[15:01] <holstein> thats one of his tunes
[15:01] <holstein> keith davis
[15:01] <holstein> both of these are his originals
[15:02] <virtu> very nice...
[15:03] <virtu> holstein: now I´ll go launch time...
[15:03] <holstein> have a good one :)
[15:03] <virtu> and after have o work a little... tomorrow I´ll go to Sao Paulo
[15:03] <holstein> nice
[15:03] <virtu> o = to
[15:03] <virtu> c ya
[15:57] <floogy> Hi, I got this if I want to connect to the server: W: socket-server.c: TCP connection refused by tcpwrap.
[15:57] <floogy> If i uncomment ALL:ALL in /etc/hosts.deny paplay works. But that's insane
[15:57] <floogy> So, what should I put into /etc/hosts.allow ?
[15:57] <floogy> According to this http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#Igetthiserrormessage:Connectionrefused
[15:57] <floogy> This should be ok? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/300883/
[15:58] <floogy> But it doesn't work at all.
[15:58] <floogy> So, what's wrong?
[16:09] <holstein> hey floogy
[16:09]  * holstein reading
[16:09] <floogy> hi holstein
[16:11] <holstein> i see your in #pulseaudio :)
[16:12] <holstein> i will suggest asking in #opensourcemusicians
[16:12] <holstein> and maybe i could help come up with an alternative solution to the overall need
[16:12] <holstein> but, my favorite pulse audio feature is that when i start JACK, it gets disabled ;)
[16:21] <virtu_OFF> pulse audio also is my problem when it is enable =/
[16:22] <floogy> yes, but I'm rarely using jack, so I combined both setups. This might be not the best setup, but it worked once.
[16:22] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[16:22] <holstein> im not suggesting a JACK solution yet
[16:23] <floogy> and the tcpwrap issue isn't affected by jackd I guess.
[16:23] <floogy> I want to be able to connect to pulseaudio
[16:23] <floogy> W: socket-server.c: TCP connection refused by tcpwrap
[16:24] <holstein> right
[16:24] <holstein> but, what is the overall goal?
[16:24] <holstein> a remote audio player?
[16:24] <holstein> play networked audio in general?
[16:24] <floogy> To get the whole pulse thing to work, as it does once.
[16:25] <holstein> floogy: locally?
[16:25] <floogy> yes locally
[16:25] <holstein> interesting
[16:25] <holstein> so pulse is just not working on your box?
[16:25] <floogy> yes, but I can't connect to it
[16:26] <floogy> So, it's not working
[16:26] <holstein> im not sure i understand what you mean by 'connect to it'
[16:26] <holstein> in what capacity are you trying to connect to it?
[16:26] <holstein> i have a VIA chip
[16:26] <holstein> in a mininote
[16:27] <holstein> anytime i open the pulse audio prefereces
[16:27] <floogy> $ LANG=EN paplay  ~/ged_steffie.wav
[16:27] <floogy> Connection failure: Connection refused
[16:27] <holstein> the device crashes
[16:27] <floogy> W: socket-server.c: TCP connection refused by tcpwrap.
[16:27] <holstein> i have a shortcut to 'revive' it
[16:27] <holstein> but sometimes i have to restart
[16:28] <holstein> floogy: how about the test app?
[16:28] <floogy> Oh wow, pulseaudio crashed. And now it works, hm. So it may not realised my hosts.allow edited version?
[16:29] <holstein> yeah
[16:29] <holstein> probably have to restart it
[16:29] <holstein> to get it to use that config file
[16:29] <holstein> or crash it ;)
[16:30] <floogy> I read one have to restart inetd to use the new hosts.allow settings, but I got no inetd process running. So I guess I have to restart pulseaudio itself instead
[16:31] <floogy> I'll test if everything is ok now.
[16:31] <holstein> i cant imagine why you would need to get that envolved
[16:31] <holstein> pulse almost always 'just works' for me
[16:31] <holstein> and i never do any recording with it
[16:33] <floogy> Hmm, I edited hosts.allow and changed ALL to LOCAL, then restarted pulseaudio and now I get again refused
[16:33] <holstein> floogy: so it was working?
[16:33] <holstein> and you did what?
[16:33] <holstein> why?
[16:34] <holstein> i would say, next time you hear something
[16:34] <holstein> just stop tweaking ;)
[16:38] <floogy> Hm, ok with ALL it works, but not with LOCAL, I can't understand that, and I guess thats not secure at all.
[16:38] <holstein> shouldnt be a problem
[16:39] <holstein> whats the worst that could happen
[16:39] <holstein> you got you firewall down
[16:39] <floogy> because it only affects pulseaudio?
[16:39] <holstein> and somebody plays sound on your box somehow
[16:39] <holstein> a random hacker
[16:39] <holstein> thats running linux
[16:39] <holstein> and looking for a linux user
[16:39] <holstein> to play audio at ;)
[16:40] <floogy> Hm,ok pulseaudio is not vulnerable to gain root access?
[16:40] <holstein> i guess if there is a pulse user
[16:40] <holstein> or group
[16:40] <holstein> that has su access
[16:40] <holstein> but still
[16:40] <holstein> a long shot i say
[16:41] <holstein> floogy: maybe you have some strange hardware
[16:41] <holstein> and would do better removing pulse
[16:41] <holstein> if your worried about it
[16:42] <floogy> Hm, but it always (maybe <10.04) worked that way. I found this here: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio
[16:42] <floogy> and it worked until a couple of weeks ago.
[16:43] <floogy> or month, I don't know. Often I don't use sound at all.
[16:43] <holstein> floogy: this is 10.04?
[16:43] <floogy> yes
[16:43] <holstein> did you update alsa?
[16:43] <holstein> i think there is a script somewhere
[16:43] <floogy> It's a backported version
[16:44] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6589810#post6589810
[16:46] <floogy> $ apt-cache policy linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic
[16:46] <floogy> linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic:
[16:46] <floogy>   Installiert: <IP_ADDRESS>.28
[16:46] <floogy> *** <IP_ADDRESS>.28 0
[16:46] <floogy>         500 ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/archive.ubuntu.com/ lucid-updates/main Packages
[16:47] <holstein> floogy: hey
[16:47] <holstein> did you try an older kernel?
[16:47] <holstein> you could boot into an earlier kernel
[16:47] <floogy> No, I use this one Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-26-preempt #48-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 24 10:43:13 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:47] <holstein> right
[16:48] <holstein> maybe there is an older one?
[16:48] <holstein> or you could install the generic one
[16:48] <holstein> and see how it works
[16:48] <floogy> But I think thats not related to tcpwrapper behavior of pulseaudio?
[16:49] <holstein> i have no idea what that is
[16:49] <holstein> its never been an issue for me
[16:49] <holstein> these are just some common trouble-shooting steps i go through
[16:49] <holstein> trying to reduce variables
[16:49] <floogy> holstein, What do you have in /etc/hosts.allow regarding pulseaudio?
[16:50]  * holstein looking
[16:51] <holstein> i got nothing in there
[16:51] <floogy> holstein, what os are you running?
[16:52] <holstein> 10.04
[16:52] <holstein> same with /etc/hosts.deny
[16:53] <holstein> just the commented out stuff that come in there
[16:53] <holstein> ive never needed to mess with it
[16:53] <floogy> holstein, nothing in /etc/hosts.deny ? Does it exist at all?+
[16:53] <holstein> yeah
[16:54] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/540018/
[16:54] <holstein> ^^ thats /etc/hosts.deny
[16:54] <floogy> Ok, maybe I discard these files also, because they are for controlling inetd, and thats not running I guess.
[16:55] <holstein> floogy: where did you read that you should mess with them?
[16:55] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/540019/
[16:55] <holstein> ^^ /etc/hosts.allow
[16:55] <floogy> I wanted once to get mpd working: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio
[16:56] <holstein> right
[16:56] <floogy> http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#Igetthiserrormessage:Connectionrefused
[16:56] <holstein> for networked audio playback?
[16:56] <holstein> what is the goal of that
[16:57] <floogy> Yes, but to use it locally, because of it's features and I wanted to use it in a script.
[16:57] <holstein> floogy: i would ask in #opensourcemusicians
[16:57] <holstein> when you get a minute
[16:57] <holstein> with more the overall goal
[16:57] <holstein> lots of smart folk over there
[16:57] <holstein> problem solvers :)
[16:58] <floogy> holsteinm, thank you a lot. I'll try that. ;)
[16:58] <holstein> good luck
[16:58] <holstein> wish i could be more helpful, ive just never needed to hack pulse that much
[17:02] <floogy> I upgraded my computer since hoary, so there is still some old stuff in the configs
[17:05] <holstein> i bet
[17:05] <holstein> might be due for a fresh install
[17:06] <holstein> floogy: i would think you could test what you need to with a live CD
[17:07] <floogy> Yes, I already thought on starting a live-cd to compare things
[17:09] <floogy> thanks, I'm now afk


[06:42] <MangledBlue> Still looking for INSTALL help - my MD5 checks out - c7f439e864d28d9e5ca2aa885c4ec4cb *ubuntu-12.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
[06:42] <MangledBlue> but I cannot get this to work - any thoungts?
[06:43] <MangledBlue> Is it just to late/early? is everybody asleep - ????
[06:43] <MangledBlue> anybody?
[06:44] <MangledBlue> ......hello
[06:50] <MangledBlue> anybody??
[07:09] <antarus> I love it when they only stay for 10 minutes
[11:02] <infinity> antarus: I'm sure it'll lead to a bad review on Yelp as the worst service they've ever gotten at an IRC restaurant.


[07:21] <alkisg> Hi, I think that in the past, when I commented or clicked "affects me too" on launchpad bugs, I automatically got subscribed to the bugs...
[07:21] <alkisg> This is no longer the case so I have to remember to manually do it each time. Is this by design, or should I file an issue for it?
[07:22] <alkisg> (I'm not sure if it was actually saying "subscribed to the bug", but I was getting email notifications for new posts, while now I don't...)
[07:37] <alkisg> Hmm I didn't even get notifications for bugs that I opened myself, e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-flashback/+bug/1557367
[08:01] <tomwardill> alkisg: can you file a bug for that, we're currently investigating a different issue and I don't want it to get lost in the noise
[08:04] <alkisg> tomwardill: sure, thank you
[08:57] <SpecialK|Canon> rollout underway to fix upload issue
[09:26] <tomwardill> deployment complete, should be fixed
[10:13] <LocutusOfBorg> 	riscv64-qemu-lcy01-067	[cleaning] Cleaning for 3 weeks
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> and other 27 builders have similar stuff (cleaning for 2-4 hours)
[10:27] <tomwardill> LocutusOfBorg: we're looking at it atm, a reset is underway (cc ilasc)
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> Hi guys. Does anyone know how I can find out when my Ubuntu membership expires please?
[16:13] <SpecialK|Canon> ActionParsnip: (I recognise you're not here but for the logs) if you let us know your Launchpad username we can take a look


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[00:11] <cjwatson> #765> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JPNJY9V4xg/ might be starting to get towards vaguely correct, although it certainly needs more tests
[00:18] <sarnold> looks nice
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[22:32] <mirak> I have a failed disk on a mdam raid 1. the problem is that i can't boot at all, when the disk is physically connected. But if i remove it, i drop to busy box, and here i don't see how i can set the dead disk as failed since it's not connected
[22:32] <doug_f> Is simply remounting a root filesystem read-only enough to ensure a safe dd image of a drive?
[22:33] <vlt> mirak: When starting the array with only one member it will be marked as degraded.
[22:34] <mirko1> aboudreault: put the pid into a file in /var/run/name_of_your_service that's how almost all others do it
[22:34] <devsys> vlt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/895755/     <IP_ADDRESS>/24 is the network that routes to the internet
[22:34] <aboudreault> mirko1, that's some kind of example I want
[22:34] <mirak> vlt, ok but i rember having set an option for the system to boot anyway
[22:35] <mirak> remember
[22:35] <vlt> devsys: Remove the default via 192...
[22:35] <mirak> vlt, can i force it to boot anyway ? I have not a spare drive around
[22:35] <vlt> mirak: Is your “/” on the md device?
[22:35] <mirak> vlt, yes
[22:35] <devsys> vlt: ugh I wondered if that was it
[22:36] <vlt> devsys: `ip r d 192...`
[22:37] <vlt> mirak: What does your grub kernel command line say about where the rootfs is?
[22:38] <mirak> my roofts is on a lvm
[22:38] <mirak> vlt, i think i can boot a livecd probably, but well, it should boot disgraded
[22:39] <vlt> mirak: Ok, I have several machines with a setup exactly like that. I wonder why you get to the busybox shell.
[22:40] <mirak> vlt, my setup is gpt partitioning, mdraid1 on a full partition, and LVM in that partition
[22:40] <Hans_Henrik> i need php to have full read-write access to every file in /var/www/ and down.. how can i make sure php get those rights? (right now im getting Warning: fopen(../config/config.ini) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /var/www/install/install.php on line 7   )
[22:41] <mirak> help :/
[22:41] <ljt> Hans_Henrik: depends on what user php is being run with..
[22:42] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: apt-get install apache2 php5
[22:42] <ljt> through apache?
[22:42] <devsys> vlt: I get a "RTNETLINK answers: No such process" when running ip r d <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:42] <ljt> then the user will be www-data
[22:42] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: yes i think thats correct
[22:44] <ljt> Hans_Henrik: can you not chgrp all files in /var/www to www-data?
[22:44] <vlt> devsys: Sorry, try `ip r d default via <IP_ADDRESS>`
[22:44] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: (idk how to give the user www-data full read/write access to /var/www )
[22:44] <josten> I need a little
[22:44] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: ill try
[22:44] <josten> help
[22:44] <ljt> Hans_Henrik: do this: chrgrp -R www-data /var/www
[22:45] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: thank you
[22:45] <vlt> mirak: What exactly do you want to do?
[22:45] <mirak> vlt, boot
[22:45] <vlt> mirak: Ok.
[22:45] <mirak> vlt, I found a solution here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/125471
[22:45] <mirak> but not tried it yet
[22:45] <mirak> vlt, i will need to buy another drive but I will see that later
[22:46] <mirak> vlt, of course my driver failed when prices are high :/
[22:46] <vlt> mirak: It MUST be possible to boot. The bug seems to be Ubuntu specific.
[22:46] <ljt> Hans_Henrik: depending on existing permissions you may also need to: chmod -R g+rw /var/www
[22:46] <physically_fit> Sputnik_, nice nickname
[22:46] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: was just about to say i still got permission denied
[22:46] <mirak> it seems it's from 11.10. i have also a 10.4 i should be able to boot
[22:46] <vlt> mirak: Does any /dev/mdx exist in busybox?
[22:46] <meerkats> ikonia, lets say I finally give up and start to manually copy the 4000 files, will information such as year, name of album, name of composer still be in every file?
[22:47] <mirak> vlt, yes
[22:47] <Hans_Henrik> ljt: And now it works, thank you
[22:47] <ljt> Hans_Henrik: glad I could help :)
[22:47] <ikonia> meerkats: the files won't have changed
[22:47] <vlt> mirak: And are LVs started?
[22:47] <meerkats> ikonia, just the tedious job of relocation 4000 files, one by one...
[22:47] <vlt> mirak: `lvm lvs` in busybox
[22:47] <josten> Anyone know how to set user accounts that can't see each others files? Right now standard users can go into each others directories and view files but not edit them.  I don't want other users to even see my files or anything I have.  I am the admin and this is my computer at home.
[22:48] <meerkats> relocating*
[22:48] <ikonia> meerkats: yes, it is
[22:48] <meerkats> f*ck
[22:48] <zykotick9> josten: change the permission on /home/USER directory
[22:48] <Sputnik_> hi
[22:48] <mirak> vlt, i try to boot my lucid first right now
[22:49] <lessshaste> I would like to make a full screen log in to a remote ubuntu box (from windows). What should I run at the linux end?
[22:49] <mirak> damn, it goes to busybox too
[22:49] <ljt> josten: chmod o-rwx /home/USER
[22:49] <lessshaste> what should I run on the ubuntu machine? vnc?
[22:49] <angs> what is the use of echo command?
[22:50] <vlt> angs: Basically to print a line.
[22:50] <angs> thanks
[22:50] <josten> ljt: will that apply to all users added this point foward?
[22:50] <ljt> josten: no
[22:51] <ljt> josten: do the same thing for /etc/skel
[22:51] <josten> ljt: that will?
[22:51] <ljt> /etc/skel (skeleton directory - is copied when new users are added to make their home dir)
[22:51] <devsys> vlt: thanks that got me going
[22:52] <mirak> vlt, /dev/md0 device is there , but if i do mdadm --run /dev/md0 it says CREATE group disk not found. failed to run array  input/output error
[22:52] <meerkats> ikonia, somebody just suggested to rename the .trash folder, what would be its consequences?
[22:52] <ljt> josten: so yes that will if you apply those permissions to /etc/skel
[22:52] <vlt> lessshaste: Yes, vncserver is one option.
[22:52] <mirak> vlt LVs are not started, since the raid is not
[22:52] <ikonia> meerkats: try it
[22:52] <lessshaste> vlt, would you recommend it over teamviewer say?
[22:52] <ikonia> meerkats: it won't make a difference to the command line
[22:53] <vlt> lessshaste: I use it everyday (and I don’t know teamviewer).
[22:53] <GhostConn> anyone know how to add coverflow to gmusicbrowser
[22:53] <vlt> mirak: `cat /proc/mdstat`
[22:53] <ikonia> GhostConn: does it support it ?
[22:53] <lessshaste> vlt, ok thanks
[22:53] <Scott_Z> Is there a channel for newbies?
[22:53] <lessshaste> vlt, what is your view of tigervnc?
[22:53] <josten> ljt: haven't used linux since Mandriva (maybe 4 yrs).  I love unbuntu, just want privacy.  Thanks a lot for your help.  You'll see me back on.
[22:54] <ikonia> Scott_Z: you can ask new questions here
[22:54] <vlt> Scott_Z: Right here.
[22:54] <ljt> josten: just be aware changing perms on your home dir can have some negative effects
[22:54] <mirak> vlt, it says  md0 : incactive sda2[2](S)
[22:54] <josten> ljt: such as?
[22:54] <GhostConn> nope lol the media player isn't even supported
[22:54] <Blue1> hmm I have no icons after the last kernel update..
[22:54] <ikonia> GhostConn: why are you trying to use all these applications that are unsupported, then asking how to make unsupported features supported ?
[22:55] <ikonia> GhostConn: why not just use applications that are mature that work as you want them to
[22:55] <vlt> lessshaste: I use the vnc4server and xvnc4viewer package. Caution: There’s a bug in the 11.10 viewer version (which you would’t use connecting from a Windows machine).
[22:55] <ljt> josten: not all daemons run as root for security reasons, one example is apache, if using the module userdir (host files from your home directory) it wouldn't have permissions to do so
[22:56] <Scott_Z> I have a program that is only available in windows that I use all the time. Is there a way to emulate it?
[22:56] <lessshaste> vlt, ok thanks. I will look for those
[22:56] <mirak> vlt, any idea ?
[22:56] <collinjsimpson> Scott_Z, 'wine'
[22:56] <angs> why is ubuntu the most used linux OS?
[22:56] <GhostConn> because ther's no media player with a coverflow interface.. i knopw allot of people use gmusicbrowser i though someone might know
[22:56] <ljt> josten: so any processes running as non-priveleged users will be blocked from your home dir
[22:56] <Scott_Z> will it handle memory resident programs?ubuntu
[22:56] <ikonia> GhostConn you just said gmusicbrowser doesn't support cover flow ?
[22:56] <ljt> josten: it may not be an issue in your situation tho, just worth being aware of :)
[22:56] <vlt> mirak: The “(S)” part looks as if it’s considered a spare drive … hmmm.
[22:56] <meerkats> ikonia, forgive the insistence: inside .Trash-1000 there are 3 folders: what if I just select files, cut it somewhere else and rename "music", and use rythmbox to sort all 4000 files by author and year? would there be any information missing?
[22:57] <mirak> vlt what ?
[22:57] <collinjsimpson> Scott_Z, yes
[22:57] <ikonia> GhostConn: Grhythembox has a coverflow plugin
[22:57] <GhostConn> ill check it
[22:57] <ikonia> meerkats: I'll say it one more time "the files have NOT changed". Anything that was in the files before you moved them to trash will still be there
[22:57] <ikonia> GhostConn: sorry "rhythmbox"
[22:58] <josten> ljt: I am admin.  I just want my wife not looking at my files.  I'm not planning to run a web server as of yet, but it's just an install away.  I've had ubuntu for maybe 3 weeks, so I won't loose much.
[22:58] <GhostConn> but it wont work with 11:10 i have already tried and had someone guide me with that plugin
[22:58] <ikonia> GhostConn: documentation suggests it will work
[22:58] <vlt> mirak: I don’t know what the “(S)” stands for. Either “spare” or just “stopped”.
[22:58] <mirak> i hope it's stopped
[22:59] <josten> ljt: everything I do is on my user account thought...I know that much so far.
[22:59] <meerkats> thx ikonia
[22:59] <GhostConn> ikonia the plug in you are referring to is it called artflow?
[23:00] <Scott_Z> collinjsimpson, there are several versions available, I get the idea of the latest version number(1.3) but do i need any of the "compatibility layer (meta package)" things?
[23:00] <ikonia> GhostConn: yes
[23:00] <collinjsimpson> Scott_Z, yes.
[23:01] <ljt> josten: you should be fine then :). you may be running as a privileged user, but not all software on your comp does - if it's your personal machine (and not a server) it's probs a non-issue so just ignore me :P
[23:01] <ljt> josten: have fun using ubuntu :D
[23:02] <Scott_Z> Collinjsimpson, Does it do somekind of sudo windows registry? My software requires entries in the registry?
[23:02] <GhostConn> i downloaded the plug in and copied to to the plugins directory for rhythmbox and once i started the plugin it came up with a message stating artflow is unsupported from 11:04
[23:02] <mirak> vlt, maybe i should do something like mdadm --create /dev/sda2 missing ?
[23:02] <collinjsimpson> Scott_Z, Yes. It has it's own registry. Look at the documentation.
[23:02] <ikonia> GhostConn: documentation doesn't suggest that, but I've not looked into it in massive detail
[23:02] <Scott_Z> sorry to bug you with all the newbie questions. I will download now and try. Thanks for the help
[23:03] <ikonia> Scott_Z: it's no bother, everyone learns from somewhere
[23:03] <GhostConn> understandable meh ill just deal with gmusicbrowser it supports all my media properly which i like.. easy to use interface just lacking cover flow
[23:03] <teage> Hi guys, How do I fix this .....aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32........
[23:04] <collinjsimpson> Scott_Z, Not a problem. Good luck!
[23:04] <teage> same thing when I run apt-get
[23:04] <josten> ljt: I am the admin, but everything I do like internet clients like now, I user my standard user account.
[23:04] <_johnny> teage: are you running a mix of 64 and 32bit ?
[23:04] <zykotick9> _johnny: that would be my guess ;)
[23:04] <mirak> vlt, you are right, it have the spare status
[23:04] <mirak> i am fucked
[23:04] <GhostConn> any good free linux/unix courses online?
[23:05] <ikonia> mirak: tone down the language
[23:05] <ikonia> GhostConn: nothing to do with ubuntu so offtopic for this channel
[23:05] <teage> _johnny: Yes, after this little miss hap I would just rather do without the 32bit
[23:05] <_johnny> hi, i'm trying to upgrade from 10.04 LTS to 10.10, but it keeps insisting that: "The package 'update-manager-core' is marked for removal but it is in  the removal blacklist.", any ideas?
[23:05] <josten> ljt: I wouldn't ignore you for anything.  You're helping me. Could you type that command in again with the spacing.  Thanks a lot again!!
[23:06] <zykotick9> _johnny: before you update to 10.10, realize if you wait until 12.04 is released, you can to the jump from 10.04->12.04 (the other way, you'll have to upgrade to every version in between 10.04->10.10->11.04->11.10->12.04
[23:07] <_johnny> I know, but I have to upgrade from 10.04
[23:08] <zykotick9> _johnny: i think you mean "I have to downgrade from 10.04" ;)
[23:08] <GhostConn> ikonia.. I have a good question lol... I have a asus crosshair mothboard which has two lan connections to use nforse. With windows i can set one for upload and one for download is there a linux driver
[23:08] <_johnny> zykotick9: that would be a very odd way to get to 11.10 :)
[23:08] <mirko1> side question: perhaps slightly OT: what happens to the Gnome desktop on a 10.04 -> 12.04 upgrade. hadn't the mood to try it yet.
[23:08] <ikonia> GhostConn: nforce has solid support in linux, it's included in the kernel, it's called "Afterdeath"
[23:08] <zykotick9> _johnny: lol, i'd consider 10.04->11.10 a downgrade (but that's just me)
[23:09] <nibbler_> GhostConn, one for up onde for download? that sounds more than strange to me
[23:09] <ikonia> nibbler_: it's nonsense, I'm ignoring it, but the cards are supported
[23:09] <_johnny> well, then how do i downgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 when i keep getting the update-manager-core marked for removal?
[23:09] <nibbler_> GhostConn, 1) you have hardly any controll about which way any incoming packet would take (if you ingore lacp)
[23:10] <nibbler_> ikonia, ack
[23:11] <GhostConn> i can either bridge two connections or if I have both plugged into my router with the nforse drive in windows I could choose which port would upload or download. Now every time I start my computer with linux I have to disable both connections and only leave one on
[23:12] <waters33637> QUESTION: I have a headless ubuntu 11.10 box that keeps turning off on me everyday ... how would i start to track down this problem? It also has webmin installed
[23:13] <zykotick9> !webmin | waters33637
[23:13] <teage> _johnny: My archives folder has never been cleared, You think maybe doing dpkg -i *.deb would maybe install or correct my problem?
[23:13] <GhostConn> i have a 8mb connection and used bitcommet with windows and i could reach up to 5mbps dl speeds with transmission i only hit 2mb tops i don't understand I tried the exact same torrent with both applications
[23:13] <waters33637> ubottu ... do we have a replacement?
[23:14] <_johnny> ELF problems are usually because you're trying to use something which was compiled for 32bit on a 64bit OS (or vice versa)
[23:14] <_johnny> teage:
[23:14] <teage> _johnny: how would I uninstall all my 32bit apps. Completely
[23:14] <helloubuntuu> Hello, is there any program to create a customised ubuntu distribution? (changing wallpaper, apt sources, programs)
[23:15] <Corey> waters33637: Check the logs, see if a shutdown is being triggered, if a thermal event is being reported,etc.
[23:15] <teage> _johnny: without graphic package manager cause it dont work.
[23:15] <Corey> waters33637: Could also be a BIOS setting, but that's less likely.
[23:15] <waters33637> corey - .. what logs should i look closely at?
[23:15] <Corey> !logs | waters33637
[23:15] <Corey> ER.
[23:15] <Corey> WHoops.
[23:16] <Corey> waters33637: /var/log/* is a good place to start.
[23:16] <waters33637> lol ... ok ... thanks
[23:16] <zykotick9> teage: 1) are you on 11.10?  2) what is output of "dpkg --print-architecture"
[23:16] <_johnny> teage: are you running 64bit?
[23:16] <teage> zykotick9: nope. LTS lucid
[23:17] <teage> _johnny: yes
[23:17] <GhostConn> is there a better alternative to transmission ?
[23:17] <_johnny> zykotick9: what does 11.10 have to do with it? :p
[23:17] <KM0201> GhostConn: i believe utorrent has a linux version.. but i doubt transmission is your issue.
[23:18] <zykotick9> _johnny: 11.10 has the multiarch, so you have 32 and 64 bit packages on the same system
[23:18] <_johnny> sweet
[23:18] <_johnny> and you're telling me not to upgrade :p
[23:18] <zykotick9> _johnny: so far, no really ;)
[23:18] <teage> zykotick9: anything over lucid does not play well with my old beat up lappy. when i upgrad it will be with a new computer
[23:19] <GhostConn> i know its not transmission its because i dont have both wired connections enabled  I get no connection if i do
[23:19] <llamahawk> I am trying to get Wireshark running but according to it there are no interfaces avaliable for capture
[23:19] <llamahawk> advice?
[23:19] <zykotick9> llamahawk: are you starting it with "gksudo wireshark"
[23:20] <GhostConn> how would i bride two wired connections
[23:21] <llamahawk> zykotick9 i am usinga GUI
[23:21] <ljt> llamahawk: you need to be the root user to access network interfaces
[23:21] <llamahawk> should i start it with root power
[23:21] <zykotick9> llamahawk: only if you want it to work
[23:21] <llamahawk> aww i see
[23:21] <llamahawk> ill give it a try thx
[23:21] <_johnny> ok, this is really starting to get on my nerves. keeps saying update-manager-core is marked for remoal. guess i'll try to dvd upgrade..
[23:22] <zykotick9> _johnny: fyi the dvd can't be used for upgrading (you need an alternative cd for that)
[23:22] <ljt> lahwran: you can edit the shortcut and prepend gksudo
[23:22] <zykotick9> !alternative | _johnny
[23:22] <llamahawk> ljt, zykotick9: thx im up and running. I def need to get use to using root again
[23:22] <ljt> lahwran: oops sorry autocomplete fail
[23:22] <teage> Im installing all them packages in my archives folder, will see if it works.
[23:22] <_johnny> zorx: yeah, sorry, that's what i meant :)
[23:23] <_johnny> zykotick9: even. http://releases.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso ;)
[23:28] <Scott_Z> how do i open a console window?
[23:29] <teage> I thinks its gonna work, I got firefox back so far
[23:29] <aboudreault> looks like start-stop-daemon is waiting that my process finish?
[23:31] <_johnny> zykotick9: lol, what the... it still complaints over update-manager-core, even when installing from the cd..
[23:32] <ljt> Scott_Z: ctrl - alt - t
[23:32] <Scott_Z> ljt, thanks
[23:32] <zykotick9> _johnny: ahhh, sorry i have no suggestions.  I don't personally think ubuntu should every be updated, to many issues.  Best of luck.
[23:33] <_johnny> ok, thanks
[23:39] <Scott_Z> what is the default root password?
[23:39] <zykotick9> !root | Scott_Z
[23:39] <wylde> Scott_Z: there isn't one
[23:40] <_johnny> there is no spoon?
[23:40] <Scott_Z> I am running a livecd version, trying things out. I need to do an su root and it is asking for a password. I tried root, leaving it blank, and ubuntu.
[23:40] <wylde> bahahaha @ The Matrix reference. :)
[23:40] <_johnny> :(
[23:40] <zykotick9> Scott_Z: try "sudo -i" instead
[23:41] <zykotick9> Scott_Z: fyi, if you claim to need root (in ubuntu), probably means you are doing something wrong...
[23:41] <Scott_Z> sudo -i worked.. thanks
[23:46] <myz> i want ot know, if there are two default routes in the routing table, which one the kernel use??
[23:46] <nibbler_> myz, ECMP, you never know
[23:46] <nibbler_> myz, unless you do some iproute2 stuff
[23:47] <nibbler_> myz, or set different metrics
[23:48] <myz> yes, you are right, it is about the metrics
[23:49] <exzqio> allo'
[23:57] <OsamaObama> What is the default firewall?
[23:58] <Daekdroom> !ufw | OsamaObama
[23:59] <OsamaObama> Daekdroom: Where is the firewall inbuilt? What is the name of it?


[11:14] <santa_> morning
[11:15] <santa_> RikMills: build log example for that dh_kubuntu_list-missing problem?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:50] <RikMills> santa_: I uploaded a fix. please check and amend it if you think it needs to be neater
[11:50] <RikMills> santa_: build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/466971219/buildlog_ubuntu-focal-amd64.calligra_1%3A3.1.0+dfsg-6ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:51] <RikMills> basically, debhelper 12.8 added 'warning:' before the list-missing file in the output
[11:52] <RikMills> santa_: so your sed was returning 'warning:', not the file
 Santa ^^
[11:53] <santa_> yes, I'm here
[11:53] <santa_> I closed accidentaly the irc client XD
[11:53] <RikMills> ah
[11:53] <santa_> ok, so now the dh_missing output says "warning"
[11:54] <santa_> so you have this now:
[11:54] <santa_> | sed -E 's/dh_missing: warning:[[:space:]]*([^[:space:]]*)[[:space:]]*.*/\1/'
[11:55] <santa_> what about making the warning appearance optional?
[11:55] <RikMills> how?
[11:55] <santa_> this way it would be also compatible with the debhelper from eoan
[11:57] <RikMills> anyway, as I said, I did a quick fix. there may be a better long term one
[11:57] <santa_> | sed -E 's/dh_missing: (warning)?:[[:space:]]*([^[:space:]]*)[[:space:]]*.*/\1/'
[11:57] <santa_> ↑ maybe this
[11:57] <RikMills> I am fine with whatever works
[12:00] <santa_> hmm, nope
[12:00] <santa_> let me do a quick test of the fix
[12:00] <santa_> ...
[12:00] <RikMills> then again, not sure we need to worry much about eoan soon
[12:01] <RikMills> but does not harm to fixup
[12:07] <santa_> | sed -E 's/dh_missing.*:[[:space:]]*([^[:space:]]*)[[:space:]]*.*/\1/'
[12:07] <santa_> RikMills: this should work ↑
[12:08] <santa_> that one will swallow any "dh_missing adahd bla bla bla: THE_FILE_IN_QUESTION bla bla bla"
[12:11] <RikMills> seems to work :)
[12:12] <RikMills> push the fix and I will upload
[12:17] <santa_> RikMills: I didn't make the change in git just tested on konsole :P
[12:17] <santa_> RikMills: I have however a debian merge of kscreen to upload
[12:18] <RikMills> ok
[12:20] <santa_> RikMills: pushed, that fixes an orange in the page status which was bothering me XD
[12:20] <santa_> also the other debian changes seem fine and good to have
[12:21] <RikMills> urgh. lp git seems half dead


 @Te-F [<reply to media>], https://github.com/ubports/wiki.ubports.com/blob/master/How-to-flash-existing-ubuntu-touch-devices-with-Ubports-images.md
 basically just use the same command as before but use the recovery image from there adding --recovery-image=recovery-turbo.img
 [Edit] basically just use the same command as before but download the recovery image from there and add --recovery-image=recovery-turbo.img
[02:26] <ubptgbot> <A C> The Morph browser has search engine alternatives other than duckduckgo, such as Google or Bing
 Hello people. I'm using Xiomi Redmi 3s prime. … I unlocked the bootloader and installed a custom recovery. … From the little I read I understand that installing Ubuntu Touch is a little different then just flashing a rar or img  file like other ROMs. … So please give me a headstart on how to start and from where to start porting my p
[02:46] <ubptgbot> hone
 @RedBlade4555 [Hello people. I'm using Xiomi Redmi 3s prime. … I unlocked the bootloader and ins …], Twrp recovery
 @nocomp [if there are non , there is a reason i guess], there are discord webapps btw
 @nocomp [got it working, used discordapp.com/login instad of .com url], cool
 @nocomp [how can i fix that ? :/], user script like whatsapp xD
 @nocomp [how can i fix that ? :/], [Edit] user script like whatsweb xD
 @RedBlade4555 [Hello people. I'm using Xiomi Redmi 3s prime. … I unlocked the bootloader and ins …], i suggest starting at halium.org
 Thanks a lot
 yes, that device is not yet supported by UT
 they did ask about porting tho :p
 @Fuseteam [i suggest starting at halium.org], A little bit more info wud help.  … Could u tell me in short what the whole process is. … N is there an rar file I can directly flash. I couldnt find any
 there is no rar file no
 you would need to port by following the steps from halium.org
 it included debugging and configuring iiuc
 you can also ask other porters in @halium
 [Edit] you can also ask other porters for help when you are stuck in @halium
 OK then let me give it a read n will ask as and when I get stuck
 good luck o7
 I assume updates are still on hold because of the critical bug being outstanding?
 Not complaining by the way, I appreciate all of the projects time.
 i assume so
 Anybody tries to compile ofono 1.29 (now ubuntu touch are using 2 years old version) and tested with that phones thats can't have voicecalls
[13:41] <ubptgbot> Данила Наумов was added by: Данила Наумов
 hi folks
 i try to use libertine on my 1+1
 i access to it via parameter menu
 and it ask me a package name to search
 what ever i type
 spining circle
 never find anything
 did i missed something?
 what are you looking for example?
 i ve heard it that i can use libertine in order to replace apt-get install
 do i try to install nmap
 so when it ask for deb pkg name i type nmap
 then it search for ages and never find anything
 surely doing soemthing wrong
 libertine is still very experimental, and the graphical config/setup in system settings is still not great
 ok
 @GrooveZilla [Shout out to Wayne and Joseph for a brilliant 2 hour intro of UBPORTS in downtow …], Thanks for setting that up, sir, and thanks for joining Le Group Super UBports au Telegram etc!
 @nocomp [do i try to install nmap], there is nmap, what you should do is to type "nmap" then hit enter
 in your keyboard
 try and let me know
 Here's my blogpost (stealing images from UBports) I mentioned yesterday: https://ubuntu.com/blog/mir-support-for-wayland
 👆👌👏
 nice clear article 👍 even I understood what it's about (and chuckle at the memory of the Mir/Wayland wars of old)  … Also very nice Ubports plug 😁
 Thanks. The "Mir/Wayland wars" were rather unfortunate.
 yeah.......hmmm looks like tiling windows is also supported
 openstore on my M10 is just missing all of a sudden. Anyone ever heard of an issue like that?
 did you uninstall it?
 If you download the click you can install it via the command line or use UT Tweak Tool
 https://open-store.io/app/openstore.openstore-team
 https://open-store.io/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
 It does not show in the ut tweak tool either. … I did not uninstall it, but I guess it wouldn't have uninstalled itself. I will try reinstalling it now.
 It worked.
 Cool
 @malditobastardo [there is nmap, what you should do is to type "nmap" then hit enter], Doesnt work, so ning circle for ages never succeed gettin the package. Why cant we simply do apt install?
 @nocomp [Doesnt work, so ning circle for ages never succeed gettin the package. Why cant …], you can inside the container. `libertine-container-manager -c bash` will give you a  "root" shell inside the default container. you can then just run `apt install nmap` for example
 you could also report issues in github against libertine, debug them, and submit pull requests to fix them, and make the GUI route better
 there's only a handful of people maintaining hundreds of projects to keep UT working, and libertine is still very experimental
 and UT is not a traditional PC linux distro. it is a phone/tablet OS
 Ok understood
 Thxx for your help
 @nocomp [Doesnt work, so ning circle for ages never succeed gettin the package. Why cant …], I installed it in less than a minute
 I do a vidéo maybe i am doing something wrong
 You just go to "enter package name" put "nmap" and hit enter
 that's it
 wait for a minute or two. (check the status) and you should see how it progress
 (Video, 75s) https://irc.ubports.com/pNUvHrw5.mp4
 Ok Now I see what's going on
 You first need to create the container (what you are doing when pressing "+"
 @malditobastardo [wait for a minute or two. (check the status) and you should see how it progress], After few hours no change
 Yes i ve did it
 Yeah, what happened is that you need to keep the screen "on" to finish the installation
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qz3UhTJh.png
 right, i think it failed/got stuck; but that is not a search field for installing packages
 it could take around 20-25 minutes to finish
 25 min for nmap????
 @TotalSonic you are the master of libertine 🙂
 no, you are creating the container there, not installing nmap
 Yes in the container then i ve added nmap
 once the container is created then you can install nmap
 do this
 Fwd from TotalSonic: gui is easier - first install "Active Screen"  app from the Open Store and open and enable it.  Next choose "Libertine" from the System Settings.  Click on the "+" icon in upper right hand corner, enter container ID name if you wish to have it different from the "xenial" default - then make sure you keep the S
[17:51] <ubptgbot> ystems Setting app on top and allow it to install the container (should take around 10 minutes on a decently fast wifi connection)
 @malditobastardo [gui is easier - first install "Active Screen"  app from the Open Store and open …], Ok will try thxxxx
 you cannot install nmap until after the container is finished being created; it is not immediate
 How do you remove a container from gui?
 i guess the GUI is bugged
 it shouldn't let you install packages until creation is finished, but it looks like you can try to anyway
 Ok
 @nocomp [Ok will try thxxxx], it should take around 20-25min, leave the screen on with active screen until it finishes
 hmm, maybe we should remove the system-settings bit for libertine from the image for now
 would certainly make things less confusing :P
 @malditobastardo [it should take around 20-25min, leave the screen on with active screen until it …], In the Libertine gui - during the install - you can press the Libertine container name in the list - then press "settings" starry-circle icon on the upper right hand corner - then choose the "Container Information" button that pops up.
[17:56] <ubptgbot>   This will give you a list of the Terminal information as it installs the packages so you can monitor  the progress of the install.
 @dohbee [hmm, maybe we should remove the system-settings bit for libertine from the image …], disagree - the Systems Settings Libertine gui is very useful for those of us that are aware of the bug.  I think a sticky forum post about this bug would help in ending some confusion until the bug can be fixed.
 @nocomp [How do you remove a container from gui?], swipe on the Container name from left to right - this will bring up a trashcan icon to the left of it - and you can press that.
 Oki
 And when installing the package do not press the green button, press "enter" from the keyboard
 @malditobastardo [And when installing the package do not press the green button, press "enter" fro …], ?
 the button press doesnt work 🙁
 its buggy
 is there an open issue in github?
 I think so, this was from the beginning
 long time ago
 nothing in https://github.com/ubports/libertine/issues
 (Video, 13s) https://irc.ubports.com/wTEM6Utp.mp4
 Star Trek voyager, Arch Linux and Ubuntu mobile, living the dream ☺
 ive got to say, first impressions after 2 years, what an improvement - the UI is very nice
 @binhead [<reply to media>], Awesome!
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Matthias Herrmann> How would one replace the Unity 8 launcher with their custom version?  … Could I modify and build the project on https://github.com/ubports/unity8 and then adb push the build?
 Q: can you asimply apt-get install stuff?
 i'm trying to install wget
[20:08] <ubptgbot> Dalli Boy was added by: Dalli Boy
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> Hi there guys what devices you recommend when I want try to virtualize an win 10 pro and use one program for mixing? Will be needed lot more resources as for the application itself? (VirtualDJ/Rekordbox)
 @Dalli Boy [Hi there guys what devices you recommend when I want try to virtualize an win 10 …], I think you might have posted this on the wrong forum - this is for the Ubuntu Touch mobile operating system.
 if you do however find a way to virtualise windows 10 on ubuntu touch, please let us all know ;)
[20:16] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> It's not possible to do that?
 @binhead [Q: can you asimply apt-get install stuff?], the answer is no.  If you wish to install desktop Linux apps via the Terminal you need to use the "libertine-container-manager" command - info here - http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
[20:17] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> Sorry I should read more about it
 AHA containerisation, should have known, thanks Steven (Y)
 @TotalSonic [the answer is no.  If you wish to install desktop Linux apps via the Terminal yo …], fantastic documentation availability for everything here, i'm truly impressed
 @Matthias Herrmann [How would one replace the Unity 8 launcher with their custom version?  … Could I m …], not exactly. but what is your ultimate goal? it's not really a replaceable component
 @Dalli Boy [It's not possible to do that?], this isn't a support group for Ubuntu (or other forms of Linux) on PCs. it's for https://ubuntu-touch.io and the https://ubports.com community which maintains it
 @Dalli Boy [Hi there guys what devices you recommend when I want try to virtualize an win 10 …], IF you were asking regarding UT native music creation apps - currently there is Guitar Tools, DrumKit, DJ Turntable, Recorder and Sfxr Sound Generator - all available via the Open-Store https://open-store.io/?sort=relevance&search=drum
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @TotalSonic [IF you were asking regarding UT native music creation apps - currently there is …], I wanted to ask if it will be possible to emulate the Programms. Or find an device f.e.: M Surface or other more powerfull hybrid device to run virtual box or any kind of emulation to get work this two apps.
[20:25] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> Using your Ubuntu touch
 @Dalli Boy [Using your Ubuntu touch], the answer to that is currently "no".
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @TotalSonic [the answer to that is currently "no".], How can i help this happen?
 @Dalli Boy [How can i help this happen?], I think what you are wanting to do is using standard desktop Ubuntu on an x86 device - for which there are lots of options for music creation software.  So you really are not needing Ubuntu Touch it seems
 unity8 stack on x86 currently is quite unstable, unfortunately. and we haven't really had time to get it to a usable state
[20:33] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @dohbee [unity8 stack on x86 currently is quite unstable, unfortunately. and we haven't r …], I I studying now informatics in germany and I know that OS 4 all devices is the future (Astralinux) is it a part or your Vision? I would like to help out in any way to improve your OS. Where should I write an email?
[20:33] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> 2nd I = am
 astralinux is a linux distro for russian military
[20:34] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/XMHhlj4M.webp
 AstraLinux I would guess is therefore not part of the vision of UBports/Ubuntu Touch
 UT vision is a converged platform for many devices, though
[20:35] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @dohbee [astralinux is a linux distro for russian military], I know but it's for every device you get.
 it is not
[20:36] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> See your quicker as me.
[20:36] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> I virtualize that it's bad but it works
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @dohbee [UT vision is a converged platform for many devices, though], I like that idea I know I am total beginner but I like that idea an Ubuntu for every device possible
 @Dalli Boy [I I studying now informatics in germany and I know that OS 4 all devices is the …], here is how to contribute to the UT community - https://ubports.com/community/get-involved
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <Dalli Boy> @TotalSonic [here is how to contribute to the UT community - https://ubports.com/community/ge …], Thanks man!
 @Dalli Boy [I like that idea I know I am total beginner but I like that idea an Ubuntu for e …], that ideal is far from the current reality - the list of supported devices is at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ - but a few more are being developed now as well
 @malditobastardo [Yeah, what happened is that you need to keep the screen "on" to finish the insta …], Oh, that's caught me out every time I've tried to create a Libertine container. Thanks for the tip.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Zc0La6Fr.mp4
 Uh
 @Matthias Herrmann [I wanted to play a little with the source code of the operating system and modif …], https://docs.ubports.com/en/lates
 @Matthias Herrmann [I wanted to play a little with the source code of the operating system and modif …], https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/systemdev/index.html
[23:18] <ubptgbot> <Matthias Herrmann> @dohbee [https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/systemdev/index.html], ty
 @SirBouncyDaRoo [<reply to media>], Ahahaha that's awesome


[01:31] <achiang> i've an odd question -- if someone else makes a *.changes/*.dsc and signs it, can i re-sign it to make an upload to a PPA?
[01:32] <micahg> achiang: yes, but you should use something like backportpackage from u-d-t instead so it has your name in teh changelog
[01:33] <achiang> micahg: hm, how will the package be versioned then, after using backportpackage?
[01:33] <micahg> achiang: unless you're sponsoring the PPA upload for someone
[01:33] <achiang> micahg: yes, the situation is more similar to me sponsoring the PPA upload
[01:34] <micahg> achiang: so, yes, you can, just use debsign -k
[01:34] <achiang> micahg: i don't really want to re-version the package, because it's a kernel package, and there are ABI issues i dont' fully understand
[01:35] <achiang> micahg: thanks, i'll play around with debsign -k
[01:45] <lifeless> bah, anyone have the previous topic
[01:45] <Burpaps_> so how are you today
[01:45] <lifeless> !ops
[01:45] <Burpaps_> !ops
[01:45] <lifeless> mneptok: around?
[01:46] <lamefun> will the invisible window resize border backported to 10.10?
[01:47] <lamefun> was the channel hacked?
[01:47] <Pici> no
[01:47] <Pici> Its set -t, anyone can change the topic.
[01:48] <lamefun> O_o
[01:48] <Pici> yes, really.
[01:49] <lamefun> O_o why?
[01:49] <RAOF> lamefun: Unlikely, I think.  It's not an SRU candidate, and it requries gtk changes IIRC, which makes it unlikely to be put into -backports.
[02:01] <lamefun> btw will there be a GUI control to control size of invisible resize border?
[02:07] <RAOF> I wouldn't expect so.
[03:50] <StevenK> RAOF: O hai?
[03:50] <RAOF> StevenK: Hai o?
[03:50] <StevenK> RAOF: Can I instruct Do to forget what I want for a particular key?
[03:50] <StevenK> (So I can retrain it)
[03:51] <RAOF> No.  You can get it to forget everything (by deleting the history file), but not specifics.
[03:51] <RAOF> what's your use-case?
[03:52] <RAOF> (ie: convince me to implement it, or to fix your problem in a better way ☺)
[03:52] <StevenK> RAOF: If I query the weighting, I can do it manually
[03:52] <StevenK> Er, If I can query
[03:53] <StevenK> RAOF: But I can explain the whole story if you like
[03:53] <RAOF> Yeah, that'd be good.
[03:55] <StevenK> RAOF: I use the Rhytmbox plugin to control it -- means I can summon Do, hit n, e for Next and skip to the next song easily. I also do the same thing for Pause.
[03:57] <RAOF> Ok.
[03:57] <StevenK> RAOF: Play is where I have a wierd issue. It would always put an album of mine in the queue whenever I used Do to instruct Rhythmbox to Play. Turns out the top result for "Play" is "Play an item in Rhythmbox", which always picks this album. The second result is "Play music in Rythmbox", which is the more generic play
[03:58] <StevenK> So, I'd like to tell Do to default to the second result for "Play"
[03:59] <RAOF> Ok.  Well, you can kinda work around this by just exectuting the “play” that you want over and over.  Hitting <shift>+<enter> when it's selected will execute it without dismissing Do, so you could just do that over and over again for a while :)
[03:59]  * RAOF now has an *awful* lot of terminals on his desktop :)
[03:59] <StevenK> Haha
[04:00] <StevenK> RAOF: The shift-enter trick has done it, thanks!
[04:00] <RAOF> Feel like uploading some X input drivers very few people use, then?
[04:01] <RAOF> http://cooperteam.net/Packages has a fine selection to choose from :)
[04:01] <StevenK> Can't I just buy you a beer, like non-core-dev's have to do? :-P
[04:02] <RAOF> Well, you could do that :)
[04:02] <micahg> RAOF: are those all in main?
[04:03] <RAOF> micahg: No, I think they're all in universe.
[04:03] <micahg> RAOF: ok, I can try to do a few if you like
[04:04] <RAOF> Yup, all universe, as befits input drivers that noone uses.
[04:04] <RAOF> micahg: Ta.
[04:05] <StevenK> RAOF: Or, 'out of the archive'
[04:05] <StevenK> ?
[04:05] <RAOF> StevenK: Well, they *are* maintained upstream, and there does exist hardware that uses them.
[04:06] <RAOF> You can expect a couple of archive removal bugs from the X team shortly, though; some of the drivers *aren't* maintained upstream.
[04:06] <RAOF> Time to restart so that unity doesn't keep killing my terminals!
[04:13] <RAOF> Gah.  Unity, stop eating the 320 left-most pixels of my screen with an invisible window.
[04:13] <lifeless> its a mesage
[04:13] <lifeless> you need a wider screen
[04:15] <RAOF> My display is 2720 pixels wide!
[04:16] <lifeless> see, 2400 is just wrong.
[04:19] <RAOF> How is there not already a bug for this?
[04:21] <micahg> RAOF: the A's are done
[04:42] <micahg> RAOF: I've almost got the rest of them ready
[04:42] <RAOF> Awesomesauce.
[04:42]  * RAOF regrets accidentally letting his MOTU powers lapse.
[04:42] <StevenK> RAOF: When is the meeting for your core-dev application?
[04:43] <micahg> RAOF: when you get core-dev, you can return the favor ;)
[04:43] <RAOF> micahg: Certainly.
[04:43] <RAOF> StevenK: I should get on to that part of the organisation :)
[04:43] <StevenK> Haha
[04:43] <micahg> RAOF: I noticed some have the merge from experimental and some don't, is that an issue?
[04:44] <RAOF> micahg: No.  The ones which don't have a merge from Debian are the ones where we don't (yet) want to merge from Debian.
[04:44] <micahg> RAOF: ok, np, about to upload
[04:44] <RAOF> micahg: Debian's added a shiny new dh series which we don't yet have in our xserver package.
[04:45]  * micahg is happy their names are so different, make tab complete easier
[04:46] <micahg> RAOF: all uploaded
[04:46] <RAOF> Danke
[06:19] <c2tarun> chrisccoulson: ping
[06:20] <micahg> c2tarun: he probably won't be around for a few more hours
[06:21] <c2tarun> micahg: ok, can you please look on the comments on the bug 713023.
[06:21] <c2tarun> micahg: need updated build-depends I get, but what are broken po files?
[06:23] <micahg> c2tarun: idk
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <RAOF> micahg: Are you up for a little more sponsoring?  Easier this time; they're all no-change rebuilds.
[07:30] <micahg> RAOF: not tonight, I can do them tomorrow night while building some VMs though
[07:31] <RAOF> That's ok, thanks.  I can cast a wider net.  If I still need it tomorrow, I'll ask again :)
[08:01] <evfool> mvo: are you around?
[08:04] <mvo> evfool: hello, yes
[08:07] <evfool> regarding bug #409532, could you please check it? especially whether the file share/apt-auth-failure.note is used or not at all? I haven't found any references to it in the apt code, but I might have missed something
[08:10] <evfool> mvo^
[08:11] <didrocks> good morning
[08:11] <mvo> evfool: thanks, let me look at the bugreport
[08:11] <pitti> Good morning
[08:15] <mvo> evfool: hm, my ubuntu apt branch has share/apt-auth-failure.note
[08:16] <evfool> mvo: yep, but I haven't found any references to it in the code, it doesn't seem to be used
[08:17] <mvo> evfool: indeed, I will check the log, that might be a mistake
[08:18] <evfool> mvo: ok, thanks
[08:23] <amitk> any mutt user seeing mutt maxing out number of open processes in natty?
[08:24] <mvo> amitk: I use it (and have fairly big mailboxes) but haven't seen tis problem yet
[08:25] <DktrKranz> mvo: hi! gdebi uploaded to debian and sync request filed (waiting to be ACKed). I also pushed a branch with a simplified packaging at lp:~dktrkranz/gdebi/overhaul. If it's fine for you, I'm going to test it a little bit then push on trunk.
[08:26] <mvo> DktrKranz: thanks, I saw the upload, great :) I look at the branch now
[08:27] <amitk> mvo: Does "ls -l /proc/<pid>/fd | cut -d'>' -f2 | sort" show the same mailbox being opened several times?
[08:29] <mvo> amitk: hm, I use a maildir
[08:29] <amitk> mvo: yeah, I meant maildir
[08:30] <mvo> amitk: the command shows almost nothing, just pts and if I open a message that (one) message
[08:30] <mvo> amitk: do you use mutt or mutt-patched?
[08:30] <mvo> amitk: I had some (differnt) issues with mutt-patched recently
[08:30] <amitk> mvo: mutt-patches
[08:34] <mvo> DktrKranz: branch looks fine, thanks for this update! I commited it right away :)
[08:36] <amitk> mvo: I wonder if I'm suffering from migrating my /home across two releases. Lots of application crashes all over the place
[08:40] <DktrKranz> mvo: cool, thanks. That will save us multiple uploads for python-defaults transitions
[08:49] <mvo> amitk: hm, might be, I would try removing the mutt-patched for now and using the stock mutt
[08:49] <mvo> amitk: that is pretty stable for me on a2 now
[09:15] <bigon> Hi, could someone rebuild webkit in natty? looks like it's needed since last gtk3 api break
[09:15] <bigon> s/api/abi
[09:31] <cdbs> Exams over. Back to business
[09:36] <pitti> cdbs: oh, congrats! successful?
[10:22] <marcus> hi all. i am searching for a build of the rt8168 module for maverick. is there something available, already?
[10:27] <bigon> Riddell: hi, do you think you could reintroduce gjs? the current version in debian build correctly on natty
[11:02] <Riddell> bigon: sounds gnomeish, best ask someone who knows about gnomeish things
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> bigon - what do we need gjs for?
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> we got rid of it because nothing uses it
[11:10] <bigon> chrisccoulson: well gnome-shell will use it (even if it's not in the official archive), and other project could use it too in the futur
[11:10] <chrisccoulson> bigon - for gnome-shell, it's in the gnome 3 PPA (or should be)
[11:11] <bigon> I know, but I thought that the policy was to put stuff that could be co-installed in the official archive
[12:04] <janimo> pitti, -dbg packages from the main archive and ddebs have some overlap right?
[12:05] <pitti> janimo: yes, they conflict; usually -dbg is the union of all -dbgsym
[12:05] <janimo> pitti, can they be used seamlessy by nm/objump or just gdb?
[12:06] <pitti> janimo: yes, just as with -dbg
[12:06] <janimo> for instance finding symbols from stripped system libs using the dbgsyms packages
[12:06] <pitti> both debhelper and pkg-create-dbgsym set the debug link in the ELF files
[12:07] <janimo> pitti, and a dbgsym lib contains the original lib plus dbg symbols or only debug symbols?
[12:07] <janimo> I tried objdumpng one and it does not show code
[12:11] <pitti> janimo: only debug symbols, just like the -dbg packages
[12:11] <janimo> pitti, ok, thanks
[14:49] <ari-tczew> ogra: of course I ask you only for ACK, I know that syncs are done by archive admin :) there is also sync bug 713425
[14:57] <ogra> ari-tczew, yep, saw that too
[15:01] <DJKorbit> hi
[15:01] <DJKorbit> can i discuss unity development here?
[15:04] <ogra> DJKorbit, #ayatana might be better for that
[15:04] <DJKorbit> ok, thanks
[15:16] <SpamapS> hrm.. should apt-file work in natty?
[15:18] <barry> SpamapS: um, yes, i use it all the time, but i installed it a long while ago
[15:21] <SpamapS> seems to not have universe in it
[15:21] <SpamapS> or rather
[15:21] <SpamapS> universe seems to not have an index
[15:38] <barry> SpamapS: how weird, is there a specific package you tried?  i can try it here
[15:47] <thebishop> is anyone from the utouch team here?  i have some questions about extending multitouch support
[15:55] <didrocks> thebishop: you should try #ubuntu-touch
[15:55] <thebishop> didrocks, thanks
[15:55] <didrocks> yw
[16:37] <ari-tczew> does anybody know whether Debian wheezy will base on gcc 4,6?
[17:27] <yofel> pitti: I tried to update the bash completion for apport - but with the recent changes, what exactly is the completion support to complete? only the options from --help? or all that work?
[17:29] <yofel> s/support/supposed/
[17:42] <pitti> yofel: hi
[17:42] <pitti> yofel: --help should be precise now for ubuntu-bug, apport-collect, and apport-cli, so only those
[17:43] <yofel> ok, apport-cli too? since that gives me the old help here
[17:43] <pitti> yofel: yes, that's supposed to have the full suite of options
[17:44] <pitti> like -f, --pid, etc.
[17:44] <yofel> doesn't work though:
[17:44] <yofel> $ apport-cli --package=bash
[17:44] <yofel> No pending crash reports. Try --help for more information
[17:44] <pitti> yofel: needs -f
[17:44] <pitti> or just apport-cli bash
[17:44] <yofel> aaah, ok
[17:50] <ari-tczew> hmmm, I can't find cjwatson or doko
[19:11] <SpamapS> @pilot in
[19:14] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: did cjwatson piloting today?
[19:15] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: Not sure.
[19:16] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: I don't see him in the logs for the last few hours.
[19:30] <NCommander> is there anyone around from ubuntu-toolchain on building qt with gcc 4.4 vs 4.5 due to regressions in 4.5?
[21:03] <janimo> slangasek, do you plan on using the no var tracking flag on the regulat qemu-kvm package as well?
[21:18] <slangasek> janimo: wasn't planning anything wrt qemu-kvm, please check with hallyn
[21:19] <janimo> slangasek, ok
[21:19] <janimo> thanks
[22:15] <kirkland> bryceh: hey, fyi, re: X breakages... my x201 no longer works with an external monitor (24" Samsung)
[22:16] <kirkland> bryceh: just flickers red and black in a seizure-inducing manner
[22:16] <RAOF> kirkland: Which kernel is that with, and does booting a previous kernel fix it?
[22:17] <kirkland> RAOF: good question ...  this is 2.6.38-2-generic
[22:17] <kirkland> RAOF: i can go and try an older one
[22:17] <RAOF> The last 2.6.37 one might be worth a try.
[22:18] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay
[22:18] <kirkland> RAOF: okay
[22:19] <RAOF> Unless you have some other information, like the last time you remember it working?
[22:23] <kirkland> RAOF: confirmed, 2.6.37 works as expected
[22:23] <kirkland> RAOF: is there an existing bug I can subscribe to?
[22:23] <kirkland> RAOF: or shall i file a new one?
[22:23] <RAOF> kirkland: I'm not aware of one, no.
[22:23] <RAOF> Feel free to file a new one.
[22:23] <kirkland> RAOF: okay, i'll file a new one
[22:24] <kirkland> RAOF: who should i subscribe/assign?
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: lucky you that you have an Intel video card :P
[22:24] <RAOF> It would also be helpful to see if 2.6.38-1 works; if so, that's a substantially smaller history to wade through.
[22:24] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't feel so lucky these days
[22:24] <RAOF> kirkland: You can subscribe JFo; that'll bring it onto the kernel team's radar.
[22:24] <kirkland> RAOF: it doesn't work either
[22:24] <kirkland> RAOF: k
[22:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: at least your driver works :) I have an nvidia... so i had trouble getting my laptop screen working again
[22:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: btw ... my system is powernapping, when i don't think it should
[22:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: how so?
[22:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i dont' think the input (keyboard/mouse) monitors are detecting my activity correctly
[22:25] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: external?
[22:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'll try to get it fixed tonight
[22:25] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: no, laptop keyboard, onboard
[22:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that's ConsoleMonitor only then, and PS2 Input
[22:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: is this with your X201 specifically, or with all HW?
[22:53] <RoAkSoAx> bryceh: Any StarTech USB2VGA adapter should work out-of-the-box right?, or at least the drivers included would work for any model?
[22:59] <RAOF> RoAkSoAx: You'll need (at least) an xorg.conf for those; there's no usb autoprobe anywhere in the graphics stack.  I'm not familiar with those adaptors.
[23:00] <RoAkSoAx> RAOF: yeah just found some doc's about it. At least the drivers are included and should not be that hard to get it working
[23:30] <kees> rickspencer3: btw, here's the gnome-keyring bug we mentioned we'd open: LP: #714908
[23:30] <rickspencer3> hey kees
[23:31] <kees> hi rickspencer3 :)
[23:32] <rickspencer3> cool, thanks kees
[23:34] <kees> np
[23:54] <bryceh> RoAkSoAx, yeah just needs xorg.conf-age like RAOF mentions.  X doesn't probe the USB bus for video devices automatically (and questionable if it should...)
[23:57] <RoAkSoAx> bryceh: cool! thanks! At least I know it won't be a waste of money to get one cause it will work with customization. Though, would be nice to have a wikipage with all the steps to get this working for all of us to be aware of it


[00:43] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: Report it as a bug
[01:06] <nnonix> Well hopefully the delay is because they are rewriting much of it for 7.10 as so much has changed in regards to Multimedia, Server Installations, etc, etc.
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> Flannel: righto
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> nnonix: yeah.  Would be good to have those ready closer to the release though
[03:59] <jjesse> hrmm i wonder if this what was intended
[03:59] <jjesse> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy/files
[03:59] <jjesse> has the entire svn of trunk in it?
[07:46] <mdke> tonyyarusso: yes, we know
[07:46] <mdke> tonyyarusso: there is a bug already
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Cool.  Then I don't have to go look for it after I'm done waiting for LP :)
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> mdke: Any estimate on when it will be fixed?
[07:47] <tonyyarusso> (The people at my LoCo team's release party pointed it out to me)
[07:47] <mdke> tonyyarusso: not really, it's quite difficult
[07:49] <mdke> but soon
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[10:13] <ubotu> New bug: #155630 in ubuntu-docs (main) "After md5sum of a Ubuntu DVD the optical drive is unresponsive" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155630
[12:52] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4484 generic/server/C/databases.xml:
[12:52] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/databases.xml
[12:52] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation:  Updates for postgresql section.
[12:52] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:55] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4485 generic/serverguide/C/databases.xml:
[12:55] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/databases.xml
[12:55] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation:  Updates for postgresql section.
[12:55] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: Patch by: Adam Sommer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:56] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r4486 generic/server/C/databases.xml:
[12:56] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation: * generic/server/C/databases.xml
[12:56] <CIA-6> Ubuntu Documentation:  s/Postgresql/PostgreSQL/
[14:43] <sommer> hey all, I just noticed that 7.10 isn't available as a tab at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/.
[14:44] <sommer> just wondering when that gets updated?
[18:31] <jjesse> nixternal: got a second?
[18:31] <nixternal> sure
[18:31] <jjesse> so what directories do we need to keep in svn for the package to build correctlY?
[18:32] <nixternal> common/ libs/ kubuntu/
[18:32] <jjesse> not debian?
[18:32] <jjesse> or generic
[18:32] <jjesse> or teamstuff?
[18:32] <nixternal> debian is under kubuntu/
[18:32] <nixternal> we don't need any of that
[18:32] <jjesse> ok cleaning up the directory
[18:33] <jjesse> thanks that is it
[19:10] <mdke> nixternal: you don't need generic???
[19:26] <mdke> jjesse: i would think twice before removing the generic folder - unless you know otherwise. I assume kubuntu uses the serverguide?
[19:38] <jjesse> mkok i won't
[19:38] <jjesse> doh
[19:38] <jjesse> mdke: i won't remeove generic
[20:01] <nixternal> we don't use generic
[20:01] <nixternal> err, he left...missed him
[20:17] <mdke> hmm
[20:20] <mdke> nixternal: how come?
[21:08] <mdke> ok, xubuntu-hardy is done
[21:16] <nixternal> mdke: there is nothing in generic for us
[21:17] <jjesse> i will take care of kubuntu-hardy, keep running into problems at werk
[21:17] <mdke> nixternal: I mean, how come you don't use the server material?
[21:17] <nixternal> leave that for ubuntu server I guess
[21:18] <mdke> alright, I assumed you did
[21:18] <nixternal> if they want it, they can apt-get ubuntu-serverguide
[21:18] <mdke> jjesse: I can do it, it's really quick now we have the branches all imported
[21:18] <nixternal> are we going to switch 100% to bzr?
[21:19] <jjesse> mdke: go ahead i'm a litle busy at work right now
[21:19] <mdke> nixternal: what do you mean?
[21:20] <nixternal> are we going to move away from svn and go with bzr totally, or are we going to maintain the seperate branches between them both?
[21:20] <nixternal> probably if I reread the email I would find that wouldn't I?
[21:20] <nixternal> mdke: I figured you went wth the decision because jjesse lost his password yet again :p
[21:22] <mdke> nixternal: i think having both would be really difficult. The various threads we've had have seemed pretty much 100% consensus in favour of bzr
[21:22] <mdke> but yeah, jjesse's memory was the deciding factor
[21:23] <mdke> ok, kubuntu-hardy is pushed up, I moved the debian directory up one folder, right nixternal?
[21:24] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:25] <nixternal> debian/ was always inside the kubuntu/ directory, but it doesn't matter...having it outside is probably just once command quicker though :)
[21:25] <nixternal> sounds good to me though..thanks
[21:26] <nixternal> bah, I have to do this OpenWeek talk in like 35 minutes
[21:27] <mdke> nixternal: when building the package, don't you move it down a directory?I thought it was only inside the kubuntu directory because of the presence of the ubuntu debian directory
[21:27] <nixternal> you are correct
[21:27] <mdke> cool
[21:27] <mdke> part of the reason to have separate branches for each derivative was to enable the debian directory to be in the right place now
[21:28] <nixternal> works for me...actually easier that way so if we add a Kubuntu person, we don't have to worry about them snooping over to Ubuntu :)
[21:28] <mdke> nixternal: well, the team with permissions to commit is the same
[21:28] <nixternal> although I must say, I took a long hard look at Yelp today and the docs look great in it
[21:29] <nixternal> been a while since I installed Ubuntu, so I did it today to check it out
[21:30] <mdke> :)
[21:31] <nixternal> popey is doing a killer talk on screencasts...maybe I will finally attempt to do one again