[19:02]  * vorlon waves
[19:03] <mdeslaur> hi vorlon
[19:03] <vorlon> sorry, missed having been kicked from channel
[19:03] <vorlon> how are we on quorum?
[19:04] <mdeslaur> it's just you and me so far
[19:04] <mdeslaur> Magic 8-Ball says: "Outlook not so good."


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[10:33] <ochosi> elfy, bluesabre: i'm pretty sure i asked elfy to kill the screensaver autostart file, not the one for ll
[10:36] <elfy> my mistake - though I've never had a screensaver autostart file in config at all
[10:37] <elfy> however - prior to removing the ll desktop file I had blanking at 10 minutes :)
[10:40] <elfy> ochosi: ^^ - all that aside, as long as we don't see the same issues from utopic when someone either installs or upgrades to it - whatever might go on with this install here is probably not that important in the scheme of things
[10:40] <ochosi> strange, that other file doesn't interact with the screensaver at all
[10:40] <elfy> yea - understood, but that's what I had :)
[10:41] <ochosi> true that, would still be an extremely annoying bug to have/ship
[10:41] <ochosi> so i'd rather make sure we don't see that
[10:41] <ochosi> the default in xfpm is 10 minutes by the way
[10:41] <ochosi> we can configure that now in x-d-s if ppl think it's too short
[10:44] <elfy> well most of the bugs re 10 minutes I notice are "Why does the screen blank when I'm watching a video" so we'd need to set it to 180 minutes or something :p
[10:45] <elfy> I agree that it would be an annoying bug to ship
[10:46] <elfy> this is really a personal preference I guess, I'd set it to never and then let people choose what they want
[10:48] <brainwash> no auto lock?
[10:48] <elfy> what?
[10:49] <brainwash> no automatic screen locking by default
 this is really a personal preference I guess
[10:49] <brainwash> i read that part
[10:49] <elfy> I have no need for it nor screen blanking :)
[10:50] <brainwash> but can we ship a system without auto lock (default configuration)?
[10:50] <ochosi> elfy: that was a bug in xdg-screensaver/xdg-utils that i already fixed for 14.04.1
[10:50] <ochosi> so it shouldn't be a problem anymore in U
[10:50] <elfy> brainwash: oic - it's an idea, sorry :)
[10:51] <elfy> ochosi: okey doke
[10:52] <elfy> I would think that setting it much longer would be worse - someone is more likely to be in the middle of something and having a rest
[10:53] <elfy> all in all - I'd have thought 10 was ok
[10:54] <ochosi> maybe bumping it to 15mins wouldn't hurt
[10:55] <elfy> I'm pretty much +whatever everyone else thinks on this :)
[10:55] <ochosi> 15mins blank -> 20mins dpms suspend -> 30mins dpms off (or something)
[10:56] <elfy> perhaps talk it over in meeting, you've got my +whatever if you decide
[10:57] <elfy> I can't get up a terrible lot of enthusiasm for that discussion - whatever we do as default is not going to be what I use here unless we set it to never across the board
[10:58] <elfy> ochosi: and won't making them longer have more impact on someone using a laptop?
[10:59] <ochosi> we can actually set different timeouts for being on battery and being on ac
[11:01] <elfy> true
[11:03] <brainwash> ochosi: there is a pending branch for lls which is linked to a bug report for 14.04
[11:03] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~regulus-kean/light-locker-settings/bug-1306917/+merge/227774
[11:03] <brainwash> please take a look at it :)
[11:07] <bluesabre> morning folks
[11:08] <brainwash> knome: bug 1267442 was already marked as fix released, then it got re-opened on your request.. now it's marked as incomplete
[11:08] <bluesabre> brainwash: re that bug, we can update the package recommends to gtk3-engines-xfce | shimmer-themes
[11:08] <bluesabre> er
[11:08] <bluesabre> not that bug
[11:08] <bluesabre> the other one
[11:08] <brainwash> bluesabre: hi :D
[11:09] <bluesabre> nvidia-prime works for me
[11:09] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok, adding them to Recommends shouldn't break anything I guess
[11:10] <bluesabre> nope, and it will pull the themes package in for a normal user installing
[11:11] <brainwash> do we only change it for ubuntu or should the change be forwarded to debian?
[11:14] <bluesabre> oh wait
[11:14] <bluesabre> hm
[11:14] <bluesabre> what does xfce do by default when there isn't a default config
[11:14] <bluesabre> I'll take a look at this later/check out debian
[11:15] <brainwash> ok
[11:19] <elfy> fwiw - not seen that bug since
[11:22] <brainwash> the nvidia one?
[11:35] <elfy> brainwash: yea
[12:07] <bluesabre> so, proposed light-locker defaults...
[12:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: so, as i was just sayin... i think brainwash's suggestion of not auto-locking by default makes sense
[12:07] <bluesabre> light-locker enabled, do not autolock, but do (maybe?) lock on suspend?
[12:07] <elfy> I'd lock on suspend
[12:07] <ochosi> hm yeah, the first definitely, the third one also sounds good
[12:07] <ochosi> the first two i meant
[12:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: you said you had an issue with suspending and blacck screen too in utopic that was related to dpms?
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah, except it was the actual lock screen going dark and not coming back
[12:09] <ochosi> the greeter you mean
[12:09] <bluesabre> I could type my password in and login, then all would be well
[12:09] <bluesabre> yes
[12:09] <ochosi> odd, so that could mean that it switches ofo dpms wise after a while
[12:09] <ochosi> which is normal i think
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah
[12:09] <ochosi> just the default dpms settings of the xserver
[12:10] <ochosi> but it not coming back is bad
[12:10] <ochosi> maybe we should pro-actively handle dpms in the greeter then
[12:10] <bluesabre> It might have been some X issues early in the cycle
[12:10] <ochosi> hm true
[12:10] <ochosi> so no reproducing it anymore?
[12:10] <bluesabre> haven't tried lately, disabled autolock ;)
[12:11] <ochosi> i see :)
[12:11] <bluesabre> btw, presentation mode with xfpm is awesome
[12:11] <ochosi> oddly this always worked for me, and i've had multiple machines (with different graphics drivers) sitting at the lockscreen for a while
[12:11] <ochosi> great, good to hear .)
[12:12] <ochosi> yeah, presentation mode basically means no need for caffeine anymore
[12:12] <bluesabre> I'll reenable shortly
[12:12] <bluesabre> and then I wondered about panel default
[12:12] <ochosi> the icon theme is quite release-ready
[12:12] <bluesabre> http://imgur.com/a/aSj6W#0
[12:12] <ochosi> sergio wanted to add a few more icons, but nothing critical
[12:13] <ochosi> and he hasn't been around much lately
[12:13] <bluesabre> with greeter 1.9, the config we have loses hostname and the clock
[12:13] <bluesabre> but thats all labeled in the screenshots
[12:13] <ochosi> centered clock looks best im
[12:13] <ochosi> imo
[12:14] <bluesabre> yeah, but its no longer truly centered
[12:14] <ochosi> yeah, i noticed
[12:14] <bluesabre> its between left and right, like using xfpanel
[12:14] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can make it appear centered again and we can discuss this another time as well
[12:15] <ochosi> i guess the alternative is clock, power on the right
[12:15] <ochosi> but if we go for that, i'd not make the clock font bold
[12:15] <ochosi> or at least i'd try that
[12:15] <bluesabre> yeah, currently fonts are hard-coded to bold I think
[12:15] <ochosi> ah
[12:15] <ochosi> ok
[12:15] <bluesabre> going to fix/verify that
[12:16] <ochosi> guess the theme could override it
[12:16] <bluesabre> right
[12:16] <ochosi> but yeah, the layout looks ok
[12:16] <brainwash> do people need to manually fix the greeter panel items after upgrading to 14.10?
[12:16] <bluesabre> brainwash: for now... going to fix with the next release
[12:16] <bluesabre> (1.9.1)
[12:16] <brainwash> nice
[12:17] <bluesabre> not velociraptor
[12:17] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you want, i can do an icon-theme release tomorrow or on tuesday
[12:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: icon-theme?
[12:18] <ochosi> i think you asked me about the readyness of elemenatary-xfce somewhere in the backlog
[12:18] <ochosi> err readiness
[12:18] <bluesabre> that would probably be fine... beta freeze is tomorrow though ;)
[12:18] <bluesabre> and freezes happen while I'm at work still
[12:18] <ochosi> ah true
[12:18] <ochosi> ok, today/tonight then
[12:19] <bluesabre> :)
[12:19] <bluesabre> tomorrow morning would also be acceptable for me
[12:19] <ochosi> problem is with the bandwidth i have here i can't referesh xubuntu-artworkj
[12:20] <bluesabre> right
[12:20] <ochosi> if you want, you could do that (it's just a simple "./debian/rules update-elementary-icons")
[12:20] <bluesabre> I'll leave it for you ;)
[12:20] <ochosi> the good thing is that we're not really bound to releases with xubuntu-artwork
[12:23] <bluesabre> just to confirm about panel layout, going with "centered" clock for now, and then it can be further discussed at the mtg?
[12:29] <ochosi> sure
[12:29] <ochosi> sounds good
[12:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: have you tested the monitor=#cursor option for the greeter?
[13:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: yup, when it was still in its own branch
[13:01] <ochosi> n ot yet in 1.9
[13:01] <ochosi> it worked really great
[13:01] <ochosi> imo we should set the same default behavior as unity-greeter, i.e. extended desktop and #cursor
[13:02] <ochosi> but i guess extended desktop needs work on the xrandr front
[13:03] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:06] <ochosi> anything else you wanted to discuss?
[13:07] <bluesabre> I think that's mainly it for pre-beta freeze
[13:07] <ochosi> okeydokey
[13:08] <ochosi> i'll ping you when the icon theme is released and xubuntu-artwork is updated
[13:08] <bluesabre> actually
[13:08] <bluesabre> # screensaver-timeout = Timeout (in seconds) until the screen blanks when the greeter is called as lockscreen
[13:08] <bluesabre> greeter.conf
[13:09] <bluesabre> ochosi ^
[13:10] <elfy> I'm guessing that the first beta will be tomorrow PM sometime, but I've heard nothing from -release yet- could even be tuesday as last time, stgraber is dealing this time
[13:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: yep, what about it?
[13:12] <bluesabre> do we want to give that a value?
[13:12] <bluesabre> like, 30 seconds?
[13:12] <ochosi> ah right
[13:13] <ochosi> i guess that's a bit brief
[13:13] <ochosi> maybe a minute
[13:15] <bluesabre> eh, nvm, seems broken now
[13:17] <ochosi> oh awesome :/
[21:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: so i pulled the icons from git to xubuntu-artwork and bumped the changelog, so 14.10.1 of xubuntu-artwork should be ready for upload to b1
[21:55] <Unit193> forestpiskie: Does utopic seem to just overall lag more to you?
[21:57] <ochosi> Unit193: has there been any movement wrt testing -core lately?
[21:58] <Unit193> Uh, right.  So tasksel is up, all we need to do now is review the testcase/send it.
[21:58] <Unit193>  elfy> Unit193: anyway, re -core I've more or less got the testcase sorted, just need to be sure the order, wording works so I can get it on the
[21:58] <Unit193>                    tracker system, balloons will deal with getting it usable for us
[21:58] <Unit193> Wow, that worked well.
[21:59] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[21:59] <ochosi> keep me in the loop wrt that pls
[21:59] <ochosi> (now that testing can finally commence :))
[22:01] <Unit193> Want to try running the testcase?  elfy was having issues as the mini.iso didn't like him.
[22:01] <Unit193> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core
[22:01] <ochosi> i can try to do that on tuesday, maybe prior to the meeting
[22:02] <ochosi> now i gotta go to sleep
[22:02] <knome> nighty ochosi
[22:02] <ochosi> just stopped by to get the icons updated for b1
[22:02] <Unit193> G'night.
[22:02] <ochosi> nighty everyone


[01:17] <mwhudson> @pilot out
[01:18] <mwhudson> (not that i achieved very much :/)
[02:47] <arraybolt3> I had an idea I wanted to mention with regard to the apt esm prompting that's been happening for a while (and which I'm currently happy with but thought this was good enough to mention nonetheless).
[02:48] <arraybolt3> As I remember the devs have discussed before, Ubuntu flavors do **not** support the use of Ubuntu Pro. Users who enable Ubuntu Pro on flavors may encounter system breakage as a result. It's only safe to enable on Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server.
[02:49] <arraybolt3> However the messages are still being displayed for flavors. So my weird idea - what if we added a package to the archive that diverted /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf to some other file so that apt didn't find it, and installed an empty version instead? Flavors could then depend on this package to silence the Ubuntu Pro ad and keep users
[02:49] <arraybolt3> from possibly breaking their system, and obviously Ubuntu Desktop could omit that package so that the ad is displayed to those users.
[02:50] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: ^ not sure if you're interested in this sort of thing but just in case
[08:21] <mkukri> sergiodj: the mantic upload is in the unapproved queue for LP: #2038834, and identical to noble except for the version number.
[08:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2038834 in mesa (Ubuntu Mantic) "GPU acceleration via VirGL is broken in qemu" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038834
[08:25] <mkukri> (the uploader created the debdiff from the noble one but I can re-create it and attach it to the bug if desired, the package was of course tested in  mantic by me anyways)
[09:33] <adrien> so... I'm still working on gnutls and I wanted to patch the testsuite: how do I do that?
[09:35] <adrien> I think I have a third way which should be enough until I revamp the autopkgtest but I'm still wondering how to "fix" a testcase from the source for autopkgtest since it seems d/patches are not applied (or did I do something wrong there?)
[09:56] <mkukri> libvpx merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/ubuntu/+source/libvpx/+git/libvpx/+merge/455773
[10:33] <mkukri> adrien: can i drop the workarounds for LP: #2006589 in noble's anacron? it seems to me that upgrades from an affected version to noble are not possible, but i want to make sure
[10:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2006589 in anacron (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Anacron service and timer disabled after upgrading from 2.3-33" [Undecided, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2006589
[10:36] <adrien> mkukri: not sure; I need to check in my discussion logs but I think a conclusion was that upgrades from non-LTS to an LTS are supported even if they skip some non-LTS versions
[10:37] <mkukri> it's fixed in both lunar and mantic tho, and all previous non-LTSes are technically out of support
[10:37] <mkukri> but i guess if we still let people upgrade from them, keeping it wouldnt do any harm
[10:38] <adrien> yes but you can upgrade straight from lunar to noble
[10:38] <adrien> or kinetic to noble for that matter
[10:38] <mkukri> isn't lunar's anacron fine? yeah kinetic is the one that is concerning
[10:38] <adrien> so this should wait untile OO
[10:39] <adrien> yeah, if you're on lunar you should be fine; I didn't remember well but I wanted to point out that you can upgrade from a non-LTS to an LTS while skipping non-LTS releases
[10:39] <adrien> it's probably a bad idea but we shouldn't make it worse :P
[10:41] <mkukri> based on my entirely non scientific glance at the version log, kinetic is the only version affected by this, but ig leaving removal till noble+1 wont hurt anyone
[10:59] <adrien> yes, it was kinetic (although it was the upgrade from kinetic to whatever else that was actually the issue) but you can upgrade from kinetic to noble without going through lunar and mantic, which means there is still a way to trigger the bug
[11:03] <mkukri> yeah, i see now that it seems to be a supported upgrade path, so let's just keep the workaround
[11:03] <mkukri> also here's a libarchive merge: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/ubuntu/+source/libarchive/+git/libarchive/+merge/455777 :)
[11:40] <mkukri> anacron merge as well (with the workaround kept): https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/ubuntu/+source/anacron/+git/anacron/+merge/455778
[13:20] <tsimonq2> @pilot in
[13:21] <tsimonq2> I'll start with anacron, since I have TIL: https://code.launchpad.net/~mkukri/ubuntu/+source/anacron/+git/anacron/+merge/455778
[13:21] <tsimonq2> $ seeded-in-ubuntu anacron anacron (from anacron) is seeded in:   edubuntu: daily-live   kubuntu: daily-live   lubuntu: daily-live   ubuntu-budgie: daily-legacy, daily-live   ubuntu-mate: daily-live   ubuntu-unity: daily-live   ubuntu: daily-live, daily-preinstalled   ubuntucinnamon: daily-live   ubuntukylin: daily-live   ubuntustudio: dvd   xubuntu: daily-live, daily-minimal
[13:21] <tsimonq2> Oh, cool.
[13:22] <tsimonq2> ...I'd ask why we aren't using systemd-cron, but I don't want to encourage more systemd-creep. :P
[13:22] <tsimonq2> (*shrug* who knows, it might actually work better.)
[13:24] <mkukri> tsimonq2: there is discussion around dropping the workaround from anacron, so maybe hold out on that for a bit
[13:24] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Hey! I'll give you the same message I gave someone else yesterday, which is, if you're using grab-merge (or a similar tool), an extra line is added to the changelog at the end. Maybe that was me, maybe that was you, I don't know. Just something to look for.
[13:25] <mkukri> i used git-ubuntu for this
[13:25] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Ah, cool. Could you add a comment on there, so the next pilot doesn't get confused and just upload it?
[13:25] <tsimonq2> So, it was me. Nice. Hah.
[13:25] <mkukri> yeah, one moment
[13:25] <tsimonq2> Thanks!
[13:25] <mkukri> the other two are not so controversial and should be okay
[13:25] <tsimonq2> Perfect, I'll start reviewing those.
[13:37] <tsimonq2> mkukri: Both uploaded. The ASCII art looks better over email. ;)
[13:37] <jbicha> arraybolt3: Ubuntu Pro should not cause any problems for Ubuntu desktop flavors
[13:37] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: +1 ^^ what kind of issues are you talking about?
[13:38] <mkukri> tsimonq2: thank you
[13:38] <tsimonq2> mkukri: No worries!
[13:39]  * tsimonq2 looks at https://code.launchpad.net/~adrien-n/ubuntu/+source/gnutls28/+git/gnutls28/+merge/455781 next
[13:42] <tsimonq2> mkukri: I'm sure you already know this, but your libvpx upload ended up in binary NEW. If you need anything, let me know :)
[13:49] <mkukri> argh yeah, debian renamed the library packag from libvpx7 to libvpx8, and i assuming the soname got bumped too. sid still has both in the archive, but i assuming the eventual goal is to make everything depend on libvpx8 and drop libvpx7
[14:12] <arraybolt3> jbcha, tsimonq2: I thought the issue was that since Lubuntu packages may depend on software versions that are in the archive but not in the Ubuntu Pro archive, package manager issues could be encountered. At least one Lubuntu user attempted to add Ubuntu Pro to their system (if I'm remembering correctly) and it caused their package manager to
[14:12] <arraybolt3> break, and when they asked for help on Lubuntu's forums they were told that Ubuntu Pro was not supported on flavors.
[14:13] <mkukri> tsimonq2: we seem to think that there is no harm in getting anacron uploaded with the workaround for now (can always be removed before release). id appreciate a review after all, if you are still around :)
[14:20] <arraybolt3> Hmm, looks like my understanding was flawed, so disregard everything I said about Pro. I think I found the forum post I was mentioning and it didn't break the user's system at all, it actually worked.
[14:21] <arraybolt3> Heh. And all this time I've been purposefully refraining from adding Pro to my laptop to avoid breakage. I might change that decision now...
[14:33] <adrien> tsimonq2: btw, that gnutls change is meant to be a stop-gap measure and I plan to work on the package again
[14:34] <adrien> the upstream uses "make check" but that's unavailable without ./configure'ing first but there's a really large gap between the environments for autopkgtest and make check
[14:34] <adrien> the solution might be to sed/grep tests/Makefile.am...
[14:46] <adrien> I'm looking for a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~adrien-n/ubuntu-archive-tools/+git/ubuntu-archive-tools/+merge/455275 ; it's a simple change to phase some packages (starting with openssl) phase slowly but not dead-slowly like grub and shim
[15:25] <sergiodj> mkukri: re. LP: #2038834, if the Mantic package has already been uploaded then there's nothing else for sponsors to do, right? or maybe I'm misunderstanding something...
[15:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2038834 in mesa (Ubuntu Mantic) "GPU acceleration via VirGL is broken in qemu" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2038834
[15:31] <mkukri> sergiodj: i believe that to be correct, it's waiting for SRU review
[15:31] <sergiodj> mkukri: OK, then you can unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from the bug
[15:41] <mkukri> sorry, i don't see how exactly to do that. the option to subscribe new groups is obvious, but unsubscribing not so much.
[15:41] <sergiodj> hm, maybe you don't have the permission?  let me try
[15:42] <sergiodj> OK, done
[15:42] <mkukri> thanks. no permission seems likely, i am just not sure what grants that permission in the first place. is it a core dev thing?
[15:43] <sergiodj> you need to be a member of the ~ubuntu-sponsors team.  now I see that my request didn't make sense to begin with :)
[15:44] <sergiodj> either way, thanks for letting me know that there was nothing else to be sponsored there
[16:19] <tsimonq2> mkukri: anacron> Okay, looking.
[16:20] <tsimonq2> adrien: gnutls> Sounds good! I hope to see your updated patch in the queue soon.
[16:22] <mkukri> thanks
[16:22] <tsimonq2> adrien: Uploaded, please add your Canonical email address to your Launchpad account. ;)
[16:24] <adrien> tsimonq2: thanks; it's actually there but I'm not using it for many things because it's using gmail and gmail is terrible for sorting :/
[16:24] <adrien> I need to migrate to the canonical imap server
[16:25] <mkukri> is that possible? id like to be off gmail too...
[16:27] <tsimonq2> mkukri: anacron> Uploaded, thank you!
[16:27] <mkukri> great, thanks
[16:27] <tsimonq2> (This is the last time I'll say this: the ASCII art looks better over email. :P
[16:27] <tsimonq2> )
[16:27] <tsimonq2> Of course.
[16:27] <adrien> yeah, it is: I should do that in january once I'm out of the armhf time_t black hole
[16:27] <tsimonq2> @pilot out
[16:27] <adrien> only saw the e-mail so far so the ascii-art looks good! :)
[16:28] <tsimonq2> As I said yesterday, I'll just do one or two a day (today just happened to be more). I see Foundations all got merges to do this week, so I'll prioritize those if I see them, and as always, I'm happy to answer pings when I'm *not* piloting. :)
[16:28] <tsimonq2> adrien: thanks :D not mine!
[16:31] <tsimonq2> bluca: Congrats on your fix being accepted into {jammy,mantic,lunar}-proposed! 🎉🎉🎉
[16:32] <bluca> thanks for your help again
[16:33] <tsimonq2> Of course. :)
[16:33] <tsimonq2> For the next patch pilot: https://code.launchpad.net/~kousu/ubuntu/+source/netdata/+git/netdata/+merge/455123 may be a good starter package, even though I wouldn't upload it as-is. :)
[17:04] <ahasenack> @pilot in
[21:04] <ahasenack_> @pilot out
[21:05] <ahasenack> @pilot out


[04:12]  * Martyn is making a pamphlet and wiki page for "How to stay safe in Oakland."
[04:12] <Martyn> Figure, might as well do something positive.
[20:00] <MobileDruif> Meeting?
[20:04] <MobileDruif> No gamers/gaming meeting?


[01:28] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Your attention is directed to Gdoc. guiverc has completed the summaries, but, there are 2 comments yet outstanding.
[03:25] <guiverc2> Sorry Bashing-om, I didn't notice the yellow-highlight (comments to the right; my screen isn't wide enough to see comments normally)  .. looking now (in between eating/drinking which is higher priority!)
[03:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: :D -no hurry yet about Gdoc :) ( yup my screen is quartered and I sure have to "look" around)
[03:39] <guiverc2> I quickly read thru, gave my thoughts on those two you asked about; 1 spelling correction & I think two comments about my blab
[03:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc2: :D I play Gdoc catchup now.
[03:57] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will try to look if my wife ever goes to sleep but she has been staying up very late so it may be morning before I can
[04:01] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Ho-kay - but tomorrow is WIKI day - May have to live with what I do decide to do :(
[04:03] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I will try to get to it in the morning but I am sure it will be okay
[06:02] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, looking now my wife just laid down for the night
[06:03] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Good deal //I am close to end_of_day :)
[17:59] -BottyMcBotFace:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Passive aggressive baking at its finest @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=161839 (by Joey Sneddon)
[22:30] <Bashing-om> UWN: WIKI615 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue615  :D


[07:59] <ttoine> hello
[08:32] <zequence> ttoine: Hello
[08:32] <ttoine> zequence, I do my membership this evening !
[08:32] <ttoine> I hope it will work !
[08:35] <zequence> ttoine: Oh? I'll make sure to be around
[08:36] <ttoine> zequence, thanks
[08:36] <zequence> Finlands independence today
[08:36] <zequence> And my birthday
[08:36] <ttoine> today ?
[08:37] <zequence> Finland 95, me, 35
[08:37] <ttoine> happy birthday !
[08:37] <zequence> Sorry, Finlands Independence Day. When I turn 40, Finland turns 100. Woo, there will be a party then
[09:20] <ttoine> zequence, ;-)
[10:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, 12:00 UTC or 22:00 UTC????
[11:46] <ttoine> smartboyhw, 22:00 UTC
[11:47] <smartboyhw> ttoine, hmm I can't watch then:(
[12:11] <ttoine> smartboyhw, no problem
[15:22] <holstein> its ailo's birthday
[15:23] <zequence> holstein: Yea, and Finlands too.
[15:23] <smartboyhw> holstein, oh is it?
[15:23] <smartboyhw> Congrats zequence
[15:23] <zequence> Finland is becoming an old hag. She's 95
[15:23]  * smartboyhw wonders where is scott-work; he should be here congrating zequence
[15:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, LOL
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Our school is 161
[15:24] <zequence> Hope it stays together ;)
[15:24] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:24] <holstein> my bass is older than Finland...
[15:25] <smartboyhw> holstein, LOL
[15:25] <holstein> sounds like the punchline to some awful musician joke.. "i got basses older than Finland"
[15:26] <holstein> i played with a guitar player years ago and he said "ive got ties older than you"...
[15:26] <zequence> lol
[15:26] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:26] <holstein> i thought that was a great line
[15:27] <holstein> if his guitar playing were on par with his sense of humour, we'd probably still be working together...
[15:27] <zequence> It brings many associations
[15:30] <zequence> When I turn 40, Finland turns 100. That'll be the biggest party I ever organize
[15:31] <holstein> Finland is one of those places like Australia.. on my short list of places i think i would really like to spend some time
[15:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, :D:O
[15:32] <zequence> holstein: Why Finland? There's only one city, and the rest is just forest. If you come in the wrong half of the year, all you see is snow and ice
[15:32] <holstein> lol
[15:32] <zequence> The food isn't exactly great, and the people not particularly friendly
[15:32] <holstein> i just think id like it.. from what ive seen/read/heard
[15:32] <zequence> They have loads of festivals during summer
[15:33] <zequence> Weird festivals. Lot's of humor
[15:35] <zequence> I'd like to visit New York sometime. Maybe live there for a while
[15:36] <holstein> well... i think i need to, but i dont like it at all
[15:36] <zequence> smartboyhw: Where in HK do you live?
[15:36] <holstein> im not a big city guy though...
[15:36] <smartboyhw> zequence, somewhere near Central
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Central = the commercial centre
[15:37] <smartboyhw> Hmm Kubuntu and Edubuntu Alpha 1 soon coming
[15:37] <zequence> holstein: Not me typically either, but the impression I get is the culture there is something worth experiencing
[15:38] <smartboyhw> I give you a challenge: Try to find your name in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Credits/BugReporters
[15:38] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:38] <smartboyhw> 14373 people
[15:39]  * smartboyhw finds that that doesn't include zequence
[15:39] <smartboyhw> What!?!?
[15:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: Guess I didn't report any
[15:40] <holstein> zequence: totally somewhere for the bucket list
[15:40] <smartboyhw> zequence, yeah
[15:41] <smartboyhw> I found myself
[15:41] <holstein> i though london as a little "crazier" than NYC though
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Some interesting facts
[15:41] <holstein> was a little*
[15:42] <smartboyhw> 241 Ubuntu Developers, 41 Juju Charm Writers, 208 testers, 12 release team members, 22 contributors to Desktop User Guide, 5 to Server Guide, 26 to Release Notes, over 16 thousand translators, 223 bug analysts and 14373 bug reporters made Ubuntu 12.10 possible
[15:44] <zequence> holstein: If you do come around here, do visit Gothenburg, Sweden, where I live. Not saying just cause I live here, but it's one of the nicer cities/towns in this part of Europe
[15:44] <holstein> zequence: if i do, i'll come buy you a beer :)
[15:45] <zequence> holstein: I'll buy you one!
[15:45] <zequence> I need to visit Berlin too sometime
[15:45] <holstein> zequence: we'll take turns 8D
[15:46] <zequence> holstein: Might continue for a long time
[15:46] <holstein> works for me...
[15:57] <zequence> smartboyhw: Maybe I told you this before, but when I visited HK, I lived in a flat on a rooftop. It was a bit north from the central. Lantau Island seems like a nice place to live, especially if you build a house there, but I assume it's not cheap to do that
[15:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, buying a small flat isn't cheap
[15:58] <zequence> My favorite time in HK was when I visited the Buddhist monastary at the top of Lantau Island. Big buddha statue they have there
[15:58] <smartboyhw> The flat that I live in now (my dad bought it of course) which is 920 square feet costs him 9.2 million
[15:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[15:58] <zequence> yueez :P
[15:59] <smartboyhw> :P
[17:05] <zequence> http://richardpjohn.com/fr_blog?feature=3313756&postid=3109323
[17:31] <ttoine> less than 5 hours before the membership board !
[17:36] <ttoine> zequence, nice to read that from a pro !
[20:12] <ttoine> if some of you can be there for my membership in #ubuntu-meeting...
[22:02] <holstein> ttoine: are you ready?
[22:03] <zequence> ttoine: I'll be following the meeting
[22:04] <ttoine> I am ready
[22:04] <ttoine> holstein, if you want you can come too in "ubuntu-meeting
[22:04] <ttoine> zequence, thanks
[22:05] <holstein> im there :)
[22:16] <ttoine> it is quite fast, actually
[22:17] <zequence> Yea, much faster than when I was on
[22:27] <ttoine> after danielmato, me...
[22:34] <holstein> here you go!
[22:48] <ttoine> holstein, zequence , seems not to be so easy...
[23:00] <holstein> ttoine: we can talk about ways to improve your contributions. publically
[23:00] <holstein> if you dont get it this time...
[23:01] <holstein> ttoine: for me, this process does raise some good points and questions
[23:01] <ttoine> ...
[23:01] <holstein> i need to run to work.. but i'd like much to help you get on track for when you re apply
[23:01] <micahg> holstein: I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have :)
[23:01] <zequence> ttoine: I think if you keep being active for this cycle, like you have, you should have no problems getting membership when 13.04 is released
[23:02] <zequence> ttoine: There's no hurry after all
[23:02] <holstein> micahg: well.. i mean questions like "when the current leader joined, the team dispersed"
[23:02] <micahg> what zequence said is definitely true
[23:02] <holstein> but... thats convo for another time.. i gotta run.. and i think you'll be able to document your contributions
[23:02] <micahg> (about the membership, not about the hurry)
[23:03] <holstein> just a steady cycle of something in a wiki... more of what you are doing ttoine
[23:03] <ttoine> zequence, I agree
[23:04] <ttoine> micahg, yes it is true. I just think that it would have helped me with the PR task, actually
[23:05] <micahg> hrm, Launchpad no longer shows who created stuff
[23:05] <micahg> ttoine: I think the team membership since 2007 should help you with that
[23:06] <ttoine> micahg, I think that it is because the guy is not in Ubuntu Studio anymore
[23:06] <ttoine> micahg, the matter is that since 2007, it is difficult to see what I have done
[23:07] <micahg> ttoine: right, but as a PR person, idk if that matters as much, for Ubuntu membership it did
[23:07] <ttoine> it was Cory who created the team in Launchpad, I guess
[23:07] <ttoine> micahg, idk ?
[23:07] <micahg> I don't know
[23:08] <ttoine> micahg, for example, it will be harder to get the twitter account for me without being a member
[23:08] <ttoine> It will need that somebody else do that stuff
[23:08] <micahg> ttoine: why?  you're a member of Ubuntu Studio
[23:08] <micahg> you're not going for an Ubuntu account, but a Studio one
[23:09] <micahg> you have the Studio membership...they might want an ACK from ScottL or something...but I don't see it as being an issue
[23:09] <ttoine> ok
[23:10] <micahg> ttoine: I definitely encourage you to go for the membership later, but I don't think it'll hinder what you hope to accomplish
[23:10] <micahg> is there a Studio domain?
[23:10] <ttoine> micahg, ok
[23:10] <ttoine> micahg, yes, we have ubuntustudio.org
[23:10] <micahg> so, maybe a mail account on that domain would be appropriate for a PR for Studio :)
[23:11] <ttoine> micahg, I don't know if it is possible
[23:12] <ttoine> micahg, but to be clear, I don't want to be a member for an email address. I want to become a member because since all those years, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are an important part of my life
[23:12] <micahg> ttoine: it should be...kubuntu has it, idk what hoops need to be jumped through for it though
[23:12] <ttoine> but it is clear that an ubuntustudio.org email address is the key to claim the twitter account
[23:13] <micahg> ttoine: I agree
[23:14] <ttoine> astraljava could write a testimonial, but I didn't see him active for monthes
[23:15] <ttoine> micahg, I will ask scott about that email point. zequence, do you know if this is possible ? maybe knome could know ?
[23:18] <zequence> micahg: ttoine has full access to make posts on the website, and will have full access to all channels that we will be using
[23:18] <micahg> zequence: I said nothing to the contrary :)
[23:19] <ttoine> I think that zequence noticed that it will be easy to find contributions outside of launchpad and irc
[23:19] <ttoine> anyway, zequence and holstein, thanks a lot for your support !
[23:19] <zequence> Ah, no. I just misunderstood what you were talking about just now
[23:20] <zequence> ttoine: np. Keep up the good work.
[23:20] <ttoine> I will try to do my best
[23:20] <ttoine> zequence, after all, we now have a good team. It has not always been like that in the past
[23:21] <ttoine> Can you imagine that I am for creating a kind of PR team and a community since the early beginning ?
[23:23] <zequence> ttoine: I like the team as well, and I hope we can keep expanding it by delegating responsibilities to more people.
[23:24] <zequence> We really need more people too :P
[23:24] <ttoine> zequence, it will come. At first, we need a community of users. and through the users, we will find developpers.
[23:25] <ttoine> think about all the developpers who worked on 64Studio, AVLinux, and so on...
[23:25] <zequence> Yea. And communication will be very important
[23:25] <ttoine> We have to show that Ubuntu Studio is alive, not like all those old unmaintained projects
[23:25] <zequence> Yep
[23:26] <ttoine> then packagers, developpers, etc. will come before we can notice it
[23:27] <zequence> If we have a decent organization, we could make sure each release is bug free, and performs really well
[23:27] <zequence> Right now, it's not the case at all, I think
[23:28] <ttoine> the aim should be to become the reference distribution for companies like Harrison, Lighworks, etc.
[23:28] <zequence> With a good organization, we can have many people working independantly, testing, reporting bugs, fixing bugs. making adjustments to settings, choosing the right apps, etc
[23:28] <ttoine> zequence, you didn't see the first rt kernel... and the early ubuntu studio releases
[23:28] <micahg> maybe one day get corporate sponsorship/paid developers :)
[23:29] <ttoine> from canonical, or from other companies interested with the project.
[23:29] <micahg> similar to Blue Systems/Kubuntu
[23:29] <ttoine> But for me, I don"t hope anything : the jobs in floss is always for programmers...
[23:30] <zequence> ttoine: I've been using Ubuntu Studio off and off since 8.04
[23:30] <zequence> ttoine: It was a good distro (can't remember exactly which one I liked)
[23:30] <micahg> ttoine: actually, there's quite a bit more roles depending on the size/budget of the FLOSS project
[23:31] <ttoine> zequence, one of the most used version in production is still 10.04 LTS or something like that
[23:32] <ttoine> micahg, on very important projects, yes. But look at canonical, even community managers are programmers...
[23:33] <micahg> ttoine: there's still plenty more
[23:33] <ttoine> micahg, I saw last month a job like "sales representatives france"
[23:34] <ttoine> it is not really my job
[23:34] <micahg> there's sales, PR, support, dev
[23:34] <zequence> 9.10 was my favorie, since I was also using Puredyne, which was based on Ubuntu 9.10. They were hacking on their own rt kernel, but decided to use the on in the main repo. There might have been some problems with desktop/graphic drivers. Don't remember. There's always something.
[23:35] <ttoine> zequence, yes, there is always something. The work done to get "official" mainteners for the kernel will help a lot
[23:36] <ttoine> but look at Ubuntu, there less and less something, but there is still something at every release
[23:36] <zequence> UKT are really busy, but things are moving along. We should have control of maintenance at least before 13.04 is out
[23:38] <zequence> Yea, recent Ubuntu's are starting to feel very good. It still feels like it's "under development" though, for each release.
[23:39] <zequence> I installed Ubuntu 12.04 today, on a friends machine, to show him ubuntu for the first time. We used wubi. The first app he wanted to use was Skype. Of course, installing with wubi for somer reason left out the partner and the extra archives
[23:39] <zequence> Not hard for me to straighten out, but for him, that would have been impossible
[23:40] <zequence> It was not just a matter of enabling the archives. I needed to add the lines to the sources.list file
[23:41] <zequence> And since I don't use Software Center a lot, I haven't learned how well it works. I tried searching for Skype, after enabling the partners archive, and updating apt. Then, reopening Software Center. No Skype. I might have missed something, but that kind of thing really screws with the idea that Ubuntu is easy
[23:42] <ttoine> yes
[23:42] <micahg> hrm, might have been missing app-install-data-partner
[23:42] <micahg> zequence: did you file a bug for WUBI?
[23:42] <zequence> micahg: Yep
[23:43] <ttoine> it is the same with most of workshop about producing multimedia with Linux. It is very true when the showman is using fedora + planetccrma
[23:43] <ttoine> people go out thinking it is not for them and they will keep their mac / win
[23:44] <ttoine> As soon than I can get some better hardware, I will try to see how I can do some howto videos
[23:47] <ttoine> hum, 1am soon here
[23:47] <ttoine> have a good night
[23:47] <zequence> ttoine: You too. Yea, 1am here too
[23:48] <zequence> Time to embrace the darkness in horizontal mode
[23:48] <micahg> is that what shutdown -h is for? :)
[23:49] <ttoine> I  can sleep a bit tomorrow morning, but work in the afternoon
[23:49] <ttoine> zequence, still working on my next webserver...
[23:49] <ttoine> micahg, nice geek command line...
[23:50] <ttoine> I will have to take care that my wife don't try that on me ;-)


[00:17] <p0s> after dist-upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, my aptitude shows the following packages as marked for installation. i didn't do that. whats the reason?   http://i.imgur.com/5FJTJ.png
[01:16] <corvusi> is there a way to filter out devices that show up in "device notifier" "available devices" list? problem:  a usb drive is mounted manually, and I do not want it in that list.
[01:46] <Brustofski-Fan> Anyone know the fix for the random hdmi audio screen flash's ?
[02:00] <Brustofski-Fan> Hello anyone home??
[02:00] <Brustofski-Fan> Anyone know the fix for the random hdmi audio screen flash's ?
[02:11] <Brustofski-Fan> Scew it !! Sence # linux #ati # archlinux and other i tried don't know what to do!! I'll stick with windows!! Easy fix. As fast as it takes to install a driver!!
[03:25] <ever> k
[06:17] <nunya> I just installed Kubuntu. How do I get codecs for flv mp3 etc...?
[06:20] <nunya> really?
[06:21] <nunya> no one here?
[06:21] <tsimpson> !codecs
[06:22] <harolddong> you need to add the Medibuntu repository
[06:22] <tsimpson> no, you don't
[06:23] <nunya> harolddong: I'm total noob please bear with me but how do I add the repository?
[06:24] <tsimpson> nunya: you don't need to, just go to the first link ubottu gave then click on the kubuntu-restricted-extras link
[06:24] <harolddong> and anyway sholdn't installing media players through the package manager pull in whatever codecs are needed? that's the way it always seems to work for me
[06:31] <nunya> tsimpson: thanks to you and ubottu for being helpful.
[07:53] <harolddong> #join #kde
[09:29] <Cymew> After trying a distupgrade from 10.04.04 to the next LTS, I no longer can boot my machine. Quite bad. It looks like no grub record for the new kernel was created, and if I manually in grub say "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-yaddayadda root=/dev/sda1" it will boot, but fails later and say "mountall: Plymouth command failed" and then "mountall: disconnected from Plymouth". Any ideas?
[09:48] <alaa> hello all kubuntuers !!
[09:48] <alaa> I have a pretty simple question,how do I import bookmarks to rekonq through a bookmark manager ?
[09:55] <alaa> any ideas ?
[09:56] <Cymew> Sorry, I have used rekonq
[09:56] <Cymew> ... "never used" that is.
[10:35] <lionknpeistee> hi
[10:35] <lionknpeistee> everybody
[10:35] <lionknpeistee> can u help me
[10:36] <lionknpeistee> if u want to know the IPs of all the computers in
[10:36] <lionknpeistee> the network
[10:36] <lionknpeistee> how can i get them
[10:36] <lionknpeistee> ..please ?
[10:38] <Cymew> if It's your own network, check the hosts file or your bind zone config
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:11] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hey man
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[12:14] <Peace-> BluesKaj: rpi :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> rpi ?
[12:15] <Peace-> BluesKaj: the cheap computer called raspberrypi
[12:15] <Peace-> i got it yesterday
[12:16] <BluesKaj> oh cool . arm
[12:17] <lordievader> Peace-: What are you planning to do with it? I want one but I have no idea what to do with it...
[12:18] <Peace-> lordievader: i am planning to do this  http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/microphoneequalized.jpg
[12:18] <Peace-> unlucly for now jack is not supported
[12:18] <Peace-> but i have another idea
[12:19] <BluesKaj> they make god HTPCs from what I've read ,just add a drive and internet
[12:20] <BluesKaj> what is that?, just jack audio and vlc
[12:21] <Peace-> BluesKaj: yes
[12:21] <Peace-> i needed to check sounds around my hause
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Peace-, we should be discussing this in #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:21] <Peace-> sure
[12:29] <wail> hi
[12:30] <lordievader> Hey wail
[12:30] <wail> i am useing ubuntu 12.10
[12:31] <wail> i cannot install aircrack-ng
[12:32] <lordievader> wail: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aircrack-ng/
[12:32] <wail> what i will select
[12:33] <lordievader> wail: Depends on your Ubuntu install, did you install the 64-bit version or the 32-bit version?
[12:34] <lordievader> wail: To see what version you have run uname -p
[12:34] <wail> 32
[12:35] <lordievader> wail: Then you need the i386 version.
[12:36] <wail> and  need to patch the wifi drive
[12:36] <wail> or not need
[12:37] <lordievader> wail: Patch the wifi drive? What do you mean?
[12:40] <wail> my friend when i give the uname-p
[12:40] <wail> i686
[12:42] <lordievader> wail: What does uname -i give?
[12:43] <wail> i686
[12:44] <lordievader> wail: Am I correct in saying it's a Pentium 2/3 cpu?
[12:45] <wail> intel® Core™2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz × 2
[12:46] <lordievader> wail: Hmm I see, could you pastebin the output of uname -a?
[12:47] <tsimpson> you could just do "dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH"
[12:47] <wail> Linux ********** 3.5.0-18-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 19 10:27:31 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:48] <tsimpson> but it shows a 32bit install if it's showing i686
[12:48] <wail> thanks a lot guys
[12:48] <lordievader> tsimpson: That seems to work better :), I already thought it would be 32bit, but wasn't sure.
[12:49] <tsimpson> lordievader: iirc, it would show x86-64 rather than i686 for 64bit
[12:49] <tsimpson> of course, I'm ignoring PPC and Mac in general ;)
[12:50] <lordievader> tsimpson: Yes, my 64-bit install shows x86_64 for uname -i.
[13:08] <invariant> Is there any way to translate a time in the future in a particular major city to my local time easily?
[13:08] <invariant> The input of dates should be user friendly, etc.
[13:11] <noaXess> someone has a hint, why odt files on doubleclick will extract instead of open even if LibreOffice Writer is set to default?
[13:11] <noaXess> thats since last update
[13:11] <noaXess> yesterday
[13:14] <BluesKaj> invariant, what do you mean ? Give an example.
[13:15] <invariant> BluesKaj, something like a calendar widget with a drop down box to show multiple configured locations for example, preferably with a way to also run it from the command line.
[13:15] <invariant> BluesKaj, instead of a widget, I prefer an application, however.
[13:15] <invariant> BluesKaj, I don't mind if it is written with GTK+, as long as it works.
[13:15] <FlashDeluxe> hi! i got a question, i have to confirm the rsa key fingerprint everytime i log into a server, how can i tell ssh to remember it?
[13:16] <tsimpson> there's always www.timeanddate.com
[13:19] <FlashDeluxe> ahh the known_hosts got the wrong permissions
[15:05] <Reez> hi ugys
[15:05] <Reez> *guys
[15:05] <Reez> got some problem with my kubuntu
[15:05] <Reez> can you help me?
[15:06] <lordievader> Hey Reez
[15:06] <lordievader> !ask | Reez
[15:06] <Smurphy> just noticed the X-Server started working on my EeePC / 1025 NetBook...
[15:06] <Reez> well: my headphone just stopped to work and I can't hear any soud. Could you help me?
[15:07] <Smurphy> !patience
[15:07] <Smurphy> :}
[15:07] <Smurphy> Reez: Mute on ?
[15:07] <Smurphy> Start the mixer app - and check if all channels are not on mute or low level
[15:07] <Reez> Smurphy: No: it is supposed to play music
[15:08] <lordievader> Reez: Install pavucontrol and see if PulseAudio is outputting anything.
[15:08] <Smurphy> Which player you use ? Amarok ?
[15:09] <Reez> Smurphy: actually I listen to music on youtube
[15:10] <Smurphy> Ah - ok. happens to me from time to time too. It's usually the embedded flash into the browser that's stuck. Stop all browser instances, and restart them.
[15:10] <Smurphy> Should work after.
[15:11] <Smurphy> I stopped using youtub to listen to music ... The flash stuff is too unstable.
[15:11] <Reez> Smurphy: I restarted my pc many times but nothing happens
[15:11] <Reez> lordievader: I've just installed pavucontrol
[15:12] <lordievader> Reez: Alt+f2 -> pavucontrol to start the program, btw are there other programs that can output sound?
[15:13] <Reez> it looks like it can output sound but I can't hear anything with my headphone
[15:15] <lordievader> Reez: Open alsamixer and see if any outputs are muted.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> resident, check the input and output options in pavucontrol , and alsamixer line in might be muted or turned down
[15:17] <Reez> lordievader: on alsamixer nothing is muted
[15:17] <Smurphy> Did you connect something new to the computer ? Like a HDMI device ???
[15:17] <Reez> Smurphy: nothing new. It all happened suddenly
[15:19] <lordievader> Reez: Could you test the jack by connecting a different set of speakers/headphones?
[15:19] <Smurphy> does a:"dmesg" output show you something about audio ?
[15:20] <Reez> lordievader: Done but the problem persist
[15:22] <Reez> Smurphy: No, I think not
[15:24] <lordievader> Reez: In pavucontrol the youtube player is directed to the correct output?
[15:25] <Reez> lordievader: how can I control that?
[15:25] <lordievader> Reez: It not a problem if you have just one sound-card, but it could be a problem with more than one.
[15:26] <Reez> I've got only one sound-card
[15:26] <lordievader> Reez: Ok, then that shouldn't be a problem.
[15:28] <lordievader> Reez: What happens when you try to play a file with aplay?
[15:28] <Reez> aplay? what's that?
[15:30] <lordievader> Reez: Commandline audio player.
[15:32] <Reez> ah ok. Anyway, nothing happens, unfortunatly
[15:32] <lordievader> Reez: Does it give a hint?
[15:34] <Reez> No
[15:35] <lordievader> Reez: Run the command pulseaudio -k, this kills pulseaudio (should automatically be restarted).
[15:36] <Reez> nothing :(
[15:37] <lordievader> That is too bad, I'm sorry that I have to say that I am out of ideas, perhaps BluesKaj knows a solution?
[15:38] <Reez> Do you think it could be an issue with the hardware?
[15:38] <ronnoc> It could be a hardware issue or the jack itself went bad.
[15:39] <Smurphy> Headset ???
[15:40] <Reez> Ah..... I've tried also with a Ubuntu Live-CD  but nothing happened the same
[15:41] <Smurphy> Reez: check the cmos setup. eventuall you have disabled the audio-device in there?
[15:41] <Smurphy> or the battery is old and lost the settings.
[15:41] <Smurphy> Know also - that sometimes when connecting a new screen through HDMI - the audio channel can go through the Screen...
[15:41] <Smurphy> and if the headset is connected to the screen, you eventually have to also configure the audio/volume settings on the screen.
[15:41] <lordievader> Smurphy: If the audio device is disabled in the BIOS pulseaudio wouldn't show it.
[15:42] <Smurphy> lordievader: ack on that.
[15:42] <Reez> Smurphy: battery? whay kind of battery?
[15:42] <Smurphy> Cmos-setup buffer battery. Usual A CR-32 cell.
[15:42] <Smurphy> on the motherboard.
[15:43] <Reez> IWait: I've just changed that battery
[15:44] <BluesKaj> Reez, which audio chip is listed in the top left in alsamixer?
[15:44] <Smurphy> ah. try going through the CMOS setup, and put back the defaults, and check it.
[15:44] <Reez>  Realtek ALC888
[15:46] <Reez> Smurphy:  what have I got to do in the CMOS setup?
[15:48] <Smurphy> Check all relevant things to audio.
[15:49] <Reez> I try
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Reez, in the terminal , sudo modprobe snd-hdes-intel , if there is no output from the command the correct kernel module is loaded.
[15:52] <BluesKaj> oh command needs a correction , but he left
[15:52] <BluesKaj> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[15:53] <BluesKaj> why would the device be disabled in the bios if all he did was upgrade
[15:55] <BluesKaj> fooling with cmos jumpers is dangerous, taking the battery out and unplugging from the outlet for 30 mins is much safer
[16:03] <Reez> Smurphy:  I've just checked my BIOS and now everything works fine
[16:03] <Reez> thanks a lot
[16:03] <lordievader> Reez: What did you change in the BIOS?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Reez, in the terminal , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , if there is no output from the command the correct kernel module is loaded.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> ok , never mind Reez
[16:05] <Reez> lordievader: I've just enabled my front panel
[16:05] <lordievader> Reez: Heheh :P
[16:06] <Smurphy> OK. You're welcome :}
[16:07] <Smurphy> hrhrhr ... Simplest things usually are the hardest to find :)
[16:08] <Reez> Well Just Another question: I'm on Kubu 12.04 Is it woth to install the 12.10 ?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> kmix was muted , maybe ?
[16:08] <cjae> Can I run a gui program with nohup as long as kdm is still running?
[16:09] <Reez> BluesKaj: No, I've only changed a setting in the BIOS
[16:09] <cjae> Can I run a gui program after logging out with nohup as long as kdm is still running?*
[16:09] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: If the frontpanel is disabled - nothing comes out - whatever the mixer says ;)
[16:09] <Smurphy> cjae: Nope
[16:10] <BluesKaj> which setting Reez ...it would be good to know for future reference , unless you enabled a pci soundcard in the bios or some such
[16:10] <Smurphy> If there is no valid user session running - it won't work.
[16:10] <Smurphy> cjae: what you can do - is setup a VNC Server on your box - run the app there, and disconnect.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, yes , same as muted
[16:10] <Smurphy> You'll be able to reconnect to that X-Session after.
[16:11] <Reez> BluesKaj: I enabled front panel
[16:11] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: It was not muted (We had checked that over).
[16:12] <BluesKaj> enabled the front panel is not a bios option ,I asked what you did in the bios , if anything , Reez
[16:12] <Smurphy> he enabled the frontpanel.
[16:13] <Smurphy> On some systems, you can enable/disable the frontpanel through the BIOS CMOS Setup
[16:13] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Usually for onboard cards you can enable the frontpanel pin headers in the bios.
[16:14] <braintorch> Hi. Is there any way to keep user-defined application positions on taskbar? Like in windows 7?
[16:15] <Smurphy> braintorch: lock widgets ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> lordievader, seems like an oversight to have those front connections turned off
[16:16] <braintorch> Smurphy: well, it will keep position of taskbar, not position of applications on taskbar, I believe.
[16:16] <Smurphy> braintorch: ack.
[16:16] <braintorch> yep. Like I thought.
[16:17] <BluesKaj> I've never seen them turned of on any pcs I've ever worked on or used
[16:18] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: He has just replaced the Onboard Bufer battery (CR-32 cell), that's what gave me the idea to check the BIOS and reset the defaults etc. and check the audio settings related stuff
[16:18] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I too never understood why the option is there, but it is though.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I don't get the logic ..turning off those front connections sems like a nasty trick to me ... what oe=rdinary pc user would ever think of having to use the bios to or the cmos to turn them on
[16:20]  * Smurphy loves these options ... It's like putting a strip on the old ball-mice :) The users take ages to figure out what went wrong :D
[16:20] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: If it's doable, and the CMOS setup got lost because of buffer battery failure - it is logical to check IMHO
[16:21] <BluesKaj> well, you're not an ordinary pc user either , so it's logical for you ...nasty for many others
[16:22] <Smurphy> ack
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I'd hate to see my wife have to figure out that front connections for headset were disabled
[16:23] <Smurphy> hrhrhr ... She would ask you ? as does mine :)
[16:23] <Smurphy> So I don't do that stuff to her ...
[16:26] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, I didn't know from any of my experiences that the front audio connections would deliberately be disabled in the bios, and for what reason . It makes little sense
[16:27] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: You right... but I had to deal with so many weird things on the computer side - that I learned to not exclude those things...
[16:27] <BluesKaj> anyway , on to other things ...my friend's hdd is failing , and I can't seem to rescuew the user files
[16:28] <BluesKaj> i'm on a last ditch effort , but it seems hopeless at this point
[16:30] <Smurphy> BluesKaj: already tried to dd them off ???
[16:31] <param_> Hi guys... Could anyone direct me to a channel specific to linux kernel networking?
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Smurphy, couldnt see the user files only the vista system32 OS files ...was using th kubuntu live cd ...anyway it's probly too late and this is offtopic
[16:34] <Smurphy> ack.
[16:36] <dasparrow> anyone heard about sailfish?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> !sailfish
[16:38] <lordievader> !info sailfish
[16:39] <Smurphy> !info pr0n
[16:39] <Smurphy> *rofl*
[16:43] <BluesKaj> dasparrow, are you referring to the computational app or the OS? either way this isn't the place to ask :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> dasparrow, the OS wiki , https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Main_Page
[16:45] <dasparrow> sorry about that
[16:46] <BluesKaj> or here dasparrow http://sailfish.us.edu.pl/installation.html for the python app
[16:47] <dasparrow> thanks
[16:47] <dasparrow> doing some research now
[17:00] <Guest75182> hi
[17:14] <leo_> hi
[17:14] <leo_> hi
[17:14] <leo_> hi
[17:14] <FloodBotK1> leo_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:14] <leo_> k
[17:15] <leo_> hi guys..i am trying to compile linux from source am using 3.6
[17:15] <leo_> now am at make menuconfig command
[17:16] <leo_> any tips at this stage to make the kernal more compatable with my system
[17:16] <leo_> do i have to select any specific options for that
[17:16] <leo_> ?
[17:16] <leo_> please help
[17:17] <DarthFrog> leo_: You're in the wrong channel for that sort of advice.  You want #linux.
[17:17] <Smurphy> Nah - linux won't answer.
[17:17] <Smurphy> leo: Why don't you just make an: make oldconfig
[17:17] <Smurphy> then you make a menuconfig - check if there are things you want to remove.
[17:18] <Smurphy> and then you compile it. But go check the Ubuntu Forums, there are threads where they explain it.
[17:18] <leo_> k guys thanks i will try that
[20:09] <tkennedy> Wondering if anyone can help me with restoring a perticular folder from an incremental backup that was performed by dejadup
[21:31] <Fuzzles272> ive installed the kubuntu backports to get the latest kubuntu software but everytime i do updates with it muon software and update manger go missing


[00:09] <chowmeined> when would be a good time to test for platform bugs?
[00:10] <chowmeined> installing ubuntu server on a variety of dell server machines
[00:10] <chowmeined> and installing ubuntu desktop on a variety of dell desktops and workstations
[00:35] <ubuntu_> hay all quick question, I am trying to install 8.10 from the cd, but the installer keeps crashing. What is the console command to install?
[00:45] <IdleOne> !upgrade
[00:49] <Klick__> Hey all, I was using ipw2200 and my wireless device has always been seen, I just recently applied the latest upgrade via synaptic and now the device is not found.  I am running Linux x41 2.6.24-21-generic and when I try to manualy modprobe ipw2200 I get a bunch of unknown symbols in dmesg, any help?
[00:50] <Pici> Klick__: You're running Intrepid with 2.6.24?
[00:51] <Klick__> Pici, I am runing hardy
[00:51] <Klick__> and just doing the daily updates it recomends
[00:51] <Pici> Klick__: This channel is only for Intrepid support, ask in #ubuntu please :)
[00:52] <Klick__> i asked there also, no luck
[00:52] <Pici> Klick__: Be patient.
[00:58] <DanaG> Odd... nouveau seems to actually be SLOWER than nv, for me.  Odd.
[01:03] <siimo> hi i am testing intripid at the moment and my xorg crashes maybe 5-10 times a day randomly.. when scrolling or doing whatever in any random program..  im running latest nvidia drivers
[01:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/41427
[01:18] <DanaG> The bug seems not to be getting very much developer attention.
[01:42] <Joeb454> hey, anybody around?
[01:44] <Joeb454> nobody?
[01:47] <Joeb454> is there likely to be any issues in upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid but keeping the same /home partition?
[01:52] <DanaG> There shouldn't be.
[01:52] <DanaG> Just be aware of breakage risk, as usual with any development version.
[01:53] <Joeb454> naturally
[01:53] <DanaG> For example, the nvidia 71 and 96 drivers are nonfunctional.
[01:53] <Joeb454> I have intel :)
[01:53] <DanaG> Don't you just love closed-source hardware?
[01:53] <DanaG> =þ
[01:53] <DanaG> Intel should be easy, then.
[01:53]  * jtechidna is sad the 71 and 96 drivers are nonfunctional
[01:53] <Joeb454> I also have rsync backup my home dir to a server
[01:53] <Joeb454> so I'll do that once more before I upgrade, and mod the script to backup the intrepid install to a different dir
[01:59] <shadowhywind> anyone know how to start the gui install program on a livecd from the console?
[02:02] <Joeb454> ubiquity?
[02:02] <Joeb454> shadowhywind, just open a terminal on the live cd and enter "ubiquity"
[02:02] <Joeb454> without the quotes
[02:02] <shadowhywind> k, will give that a try and see what happens
[02:03] <Joeb454> actually wait
[02:03] <Joeb454> enter "(ubiquity &)"
[02:03] <Joeb454> without quotes - that will let you close the terminal then ;)
[02:03] <DanaG> close with exit, not close button.
[02:03] <DanaG> otherwise, it'll still quit the installer.
[02:03] <shadowhywind> k, actraully i will forget the & since i want to see the errors on the console
[02:03] <DanaG> Handy hint: detach it later, if you wish, like this:
[02:03] <DanaG> CTRL-Z
[02:04] <DanaG> 'bg'
[02:04]  * Joeb454 found a bug
[02:04] <Joeb454> lol
[02:04] <Joeb454> anyway, gonna reboot and install intrepid over hardy :)
[02:04] <shadowhywind> thats what i was plaining on doing
[02:05] <Joeb454> I'll come back and let you know how it goes
[02:05] <Joeb454> if not, check joeb454.co.uk to see :P
[02:05] <Joeb454> it is 2am after all
[03:41] <discombobulated> just installed kubuntu alpha 4 and my other partitions aren't mounted
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !ping
[04:11] <DayOldPorridge> Can anyone help me out with the fix to the pam problem?   It keeps giving me an "authentication error" whenever I try to log in.  I've read the bug report about it, and also the fix to it.  But I'm not quite sure I understand what lines I'm supposed to edit or remove in /etc/pam.d/common-session?
[04:11] <DanaG> There's a one-line command you can run to paste it.
[04:12] <DanaG> Either that, or you can run the upgrade.
[04:12] <DayOldPorridge> Can't really run the upgrade, as I have no internet access on my extra ubuntu partition without KPPP installed.
[04:13] <DayOldPorridge> What is the one-line command?
[04:17] <DanaG> Aah, one thing you can do: download the new version deb, and install via command line.
[04:17] <DanaG> The one-liner is one that'd need copy-and-paste.
[04:18] <DanaG> So it'd be easier to download the fixed deb and put it on a flash drive, or something.
[04:19] <DayOldPorridge> Ahh mmkay.
[04:20] <DanaG> .. then again, you could copy and paste into a script file.
[04:20] <DayOldPorridge> No extra dependencies I'd need?
[04:20] <DanaG> Lemme' check.
[04:20] <DanaG> Hmm, libpam-runtime....
[04:21] <DanaG> Nope, no versioned depends.
[04:21] <DayOldPorridge> Oh, okay.  Guess I'll just download the updated .deb, then.
[04:22] <DayOldPorridge> Pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu3, right?
[04:25] <DanaG> Whatever's the newest, I'd imagine.
[04:59] <kavon> so when is the alpha theme for Ibex final going to show up?
[04:59] <kavon> is it alpha 5, when is that?
[05:01] <gnomefreak> kavon: the links you need is in the topic
[05:03] <DayOldPorridge> After I installed pam 1.0.1-3, whenever I try to start Intrepid, it drops me to a login console.  And when I try to login, it says "login incorrect".
[05:04] <DayOldPorridge> Did this happen to anybody else?
[05:09] <kavon> Alpha 5, sept 4th
[05:10] <kavon> i see aug 28th has an artwork deadline
[05:10] <kavon> so im assuming thats when we'll first see the radical new theme :)
[05:11] <DayOldPorridge> Is no one else having the problem after updating pam?  :/
[05:14] <timboy> I upgraded to intrepid on my lenovo t61p and I used to be able to use my scroll button by adding this to my xorg.conf: Option "EmulateWheel" "true" Option "EmulateWheelButton" "2" under configured mouse. However after upgrading it doesn't work anymore... :( can someone help?
[05:14] <crimsun> DayOldPorridge: which version precisely?
[05:14] <crimsun> from the topic of -devel:  pam 1.0.1-2ubuntu1 broken (bug #259867)
[05:19] <DayOldPorridge> It's pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu2
[05:25] <crimsun> DayOldPorridge: did you check that bug?
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> Yes, and that's why I upgraded from 1.0.1-2 to 1.0.1-3
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> But I guess something must have gone wrong when installing
[05:27] <DayOldPorridge> Because I don't even get the login screen now
[05:28] <crimsun> if you have a desktop cd, boot from it, chroot in, (re)install the fixed package.
[05:29] <DayOldPorridge> Kay
[05:36] <DayOldPorridge> It gives a few exit errors after sudo make.  Would there be a .deb of 1.0.1.-3, by any chance?
[05:45] <timboy> anyone willing to help me with my xorg?
[05:56] <peanutb> anyone feel like trying to troubleshoot some networking problems? i dont know where to start
[06:02] <timboy> peanutb, looks like everyone is troubleshooting their own issues... what's yours?
[06:04] <peanutb> timboy; both the wireless and ethernet interfaces get ips as soon as i log in
[06:04] <peanutb> and it defaults to wired
[06:05] <timboy> what does your interfaces file say? /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:18] <peanutb> whatever is going on, i need to get to sleep... im gonna try reinstalling networkmanager
[06:18] <peanutb> it appears to be the cause of the problem
[07:22] <hischild> Seems that quite a bit of packages have been removed from the default installation. I might've missed it, but is there a changelog of this?
[07:25] <crimsun> you could check the changelog for, say, ubuntu-meta
[07:27]  * hischild checks
[07:33] <hischild> i've found a changelog and aptitude was removed. Where would i go to find a reason why? I'm fairly sure there was a reason, but i'm wondering why as it was my fav package manager.
[07:47] <chronographer> hi. i get this error runnnig thunderbird: /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxpcom.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:48] <hischild> chronographer, try locating the file yourself. update the search libraries with updatedb and then locate it with locate. ==> sudo updatedb && locate libxpcom.so
[07:48] <chronographer> and I also get funny 'apt-get-autoremove' messages... i.e. I uninstall something and now I have 335mb of redundant packages including gcc eclipse etc
[07:49] <hischild> those might be old versions still installed or packages in your cache.
[07:49] <chronographer> this may take some time eh?
[07:49] <chronographer> nvm.
[07:50] <chronographer> i have some in matlabs /op/matlab folder and some in /usr/lib/t-bird
[07:52] <hischild> hmm .. it might take some time, but makes sure your file db is up2date. Anyway, you have the files. Have you tried to start on command line? might give some more info.
[07:53] <chronographer> yep, thats what I'm doing... thunderbird says "thunderbird is already running" which is wrong. command line gives missing .so files. I am ln -s all the files from mozillas directorys to /usr/lib and then there is another error for the next file!
[07:54] <chronographer> well. no more error messages, just says thunderbird is already running
[07:55] <chronographer> oh well... i been meaning to try evolution
[07:57] <hischild> hmm ...
[07:58] <hischild> well gl with evolution ... haven't used thunderbird in a while and it was back on windows then ... using evolution for myself lately, works like a charm so far
[08:00] <hischild> i can't seem to set the time correctly, the window to adjust dissapears after i attempt to set it.
[08:03] <hischild> ok nvm that, i used the window wrong.
[08:04] <chronographer> that was painless. um.. can I import my contacts from thunderbird? I guess you wouldn't know!
[08:06] <hischild> i'm afraid you're right. Perhaps that you can check the faq of evolution?
[08:28] <hischild> i'm having some random stuttering in my music without reason. Also my volume wheel isn't working. Can i get some assistance in troubleshooting this?
[08:33] <nIRV_> greetings -- could someone running on intrepid confirm seahorse gedit plugin and file association are not working? thanks
[09:39] <mikele> Hi, someone can help me for an audio card Realtek?
[12:13] <Cutter> hi
[12:14] <Cutter> are you going to change Ubuntu's default wallpaper in intrepid?
[12:14] <Cutter> the current one is very nice and I don't see anything better at the wiki
[12:17] <siegie> the current one is assosiatted with hardy i think
[12:18] <Cutter> it will be hard to change it without regress
[12:58] <hardy> Hi, I installed Interpix ubuntu, then kubunt-desktop but I couldn't find kde in the gdm login screen
[13:06] <hwilde_> intrepid is coming out soon huh
[13:07] <hwilde_> i haven't had any updates for like a week
[13:09] <hardy> hwilde_:  I installed Interpix ubuntu, then kubunt-desktop but I couldn't find kde in the gdm login screen, any idea?
[13:09] <hwilde_> you should be running kdm
[13:09] <hwilde_> for kubuntu
[13:09] <hwilde_> gdm for gnome
[13:09] <hwilde_> for kicks,  /etc/init.d/gdm stop     /etc/init.d/kdm start
[13:09] <hardy> hwilde_: but I want to have both and previously gdm recognize kde and gnome
[13:10] <hwilde_> do you understand what gdm stands for
[13:10] <hwilde_> and what kdm stands for
[13:10] <hardy> hwilde_: yes gnome display manager doesn't mean it cannot load kde, no?
[13:11] <hwilde_> yep
[13:11] <hwilde_> hardy,  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/7995/
[13:11] <hwilde_>     sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm   to switch between
[13:13] <hischild> Has anyone attempted to use wireless with atheros et?
[13:13] <hischild> *yet
[13:14] <hwilde_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/182489
[13:14] <hwilde_> hischild, so... yes
[13:14] <hwilde_> but :/
[13:14] <hischild> hmm
[13:14] <hischild> and let it so happen that i have that same chipset (AR5007EG)
[13:15] <hischild> ah well, i feel a challenge coming ^^
[13:16] <hwilde_> you might wanna check  http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/madwifi-devel/2007/9/20/271523
[13:17] <hwilde_> and fedora  http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=196410
[13:17] <hwilde_> "AR5007EG finally supported "
[13:17] <hwilde_> so, it's out there...
[13:17] <hischild> i've had it working on hardy, but haven't tried on intrepid yet
[13:18] <hwilde_> is there a supported way to run both so you can have a stable partition and an intrepid beta test
[13:18] <hwilde_> without using duplicate diskspace u know
[13:19] <hischild> hmm in theory pretty much everything is possible ... but i wouldn't really know how
[13:19] <hardy> hwilde_: when I try dpkg-reconfigure gdm it doesn't give me any options
[13:19] <hischild> but i'm reading this and it says it's only in the 2.6.27 kernels it works, but intrepid is only at 2.6.26
[13:20] <hwilde_> hardy, doesnt it look like this   http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-switch-between-gdm-and-kdm-on-ubuntu/
[13:20] <hischild> you have both installed right hardy?
[13:20] <hischild> try reconfiguring kdm instead of gdm
[13:50] <hischild> my wlan card is still misdetected :( ar24x instead of ar5007
[13:51] <hwilde_> hal update
[13:51] <hischild> hmm?
[13:52] <hischild> i'm gonna see if i can use ndiswrapper so ill have at least one way of connecting after the weekend ( need wireless then to get online after school :) )
[13:53] <hischild> how to find out what driver is used for my wlan card atm?
[13:58] <hwilde_> lsmod
[13:58] <hwilde_> probly ath_pci
[13:59] <hwilde_> grep ieee80211
[13:59] <hwilde_> that should point you in the right direction
[14:42] <DayOldPorridge> Is there another way to fix the pam issue besides installing the updated version of pam?  Since I don't have internet access on my Ubuntu laptop at the moment, I can only put the update on a flashdrive and then install it from source.  I did that, however the update to pam 1.0.1-3ubuntu2 didn't seem to fix the log-in problem.
[14:55] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: You could put the .deb on the flashdrive and use dpkg -i to install (if all dependencies are met)
[14:56] <Ampelbein> oh wait. forget my comment.
[14:56] <Ampelbein> you did just that already.
[14:56] <DayOldPorridge> Yeah
[14:57] <DayOldPorridge> Well, I didn't install the .deb, just installed from source.  But that shouldn't make much of a difference, right?
[14:58] <Ampelbein> since the deb is built from the source package it should not make a difference.
[14:59] <Ampelbein> anyway, what bug are you talking about? can you give the bugnumber on launchpad?
[14:59] <DayOldPorridge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/259867
[14:59] <DayOldPorridge> There's a script that's supposed to fix it, but I'm not really sure how to apply it
[15:00] <DayOldPorridge> It's in the post by Stefano Maioli
[15:06] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: Boot from live-cd and then exchange pam_deny.so with pam_permit.so in /etc/pam.d/common-session.
[15:10] <DayOldPorridge> There's no line with pam_deny.so in the common-session file, but there's "session required pam_permit.so".
[15:14] <DayOldPorridge> That's where I seem to get lost, because the common-session file seems like it should be fine.
[15:15] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: are sure you are editing the correct file? and not the one on the live-cd-filesystem? sorry for asking but thats a trap i ran into sometime before.
[15:17] <DayOldPorridge> I'm logged into the root prompt on recovery mode, so nope.  Unless somehow the root file is different from the regular users' one?
[15:18] <DayOldPorridge> The recovery mode for intrepid, that is.
[15:19] <Ampelbein> no, should not be different.
[15:24] <DayOldPorridge> Do you think you could show me what your common-session file looks like?  Or should I try posting mine on the forums and see if anyone can help?
[15:52] <Ampelbein> DayOldPorridge: http://paste.debian.net/15507/
[16:02] <luke> Hi everybody, I have a problem with my madwifi, I had it working and then it suddenly stopped I reinstalled multiple versions including the svn but still nothing works. I have messed with the restricted drivers and that didn't work also. I have an acer aspire 5570 with a ar5007EG wifi card.
[16:02] <luke> any body any ideas
[16:05] <bluesmoke> seems nautilus has lost the ability to show "custom" mimetype icons
[16:05] <bluesmoke> the one emerald sets up doesn't work and neither does the one I'm trying to add for application/x-bittorrent
[17:26] <askand> Hi, where was the decision abot choosing F-spot and EOG over gThumb taken? IRC or some mailinlist?
[17:30] <mherm_> I'm trying Kubuntu Interpid Alpha 4 under VirtualBox, but am unable to boot from the disk (see http://paste.ubuntu.com/40202/ ). Suggestions anyone?
[17:33] <siegie> askand: what do you have at the moment?
[17:40] <penguin42> mherm_: I remember seeing a note somewhere about a bug where it won't boot in VirtualBox
[17:41] <penguin42> mherm_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[17:44] <mherm_> thanks, that seems to be it...
[17:53] <SeveredCross> askand: Uhm, probably an internal decision made by the release team or something.
[17:54] <SeveredCross> askand: Why, got something against F-Spot/EOG?
[17:57]  * penguin42 doesn't find F-Spot that intuitive
[17:58] <SeveredCross> Really? I quite like it.
[17:59] <penguin42> SeveredCross: I find myself downloading it using F-Spot and then starting up Digikam to sort, crop, scale and fiddle with them
[17:59] <SeveredCross> Never used Digikam. Can't stand KDE apps for the most part.
[18:00] <penguin42> hehe all a matter of personal preference - I tend to use a mix
[18:00] <SeveredCross> :)
[18:28] <Laney> Erm
[18:29] <Laney> Clicking any of the directories in "Places" launches my default media player. This bug known?
[18:52] <Sharpie> i can't add/change autostart programs (using gnome-session-properties). when i try adding anything it alerts "the startup command cannot be empty". is this a reported bug?
[18:54] <mok0> Sharpie: you could find out, and report it if not
[18:54] <Sharpie> i'm trying to find out by asking here =o
[18:55] <Sharpie> mok0, are you using intrepid atm? if so, can you add anything new to sessions?
[18:56] <mok0> Sharpie: I'm not, unfortunately. Just lurking around to see what problems it has :-)
[19:00] <Sharpie> bah i'll just report it then
[19:00] <Ampelbein> Sharpie: doesn't work for me either.
[19:01] <Sharpie> Ampelbein: i'll give you the bug report link once i report it so you can confirm it there
[19:01] <Ampelbein> kk
[19:08] <Sharpie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/260910
[19:09] <Sharpie> Ampelbein: confirm it please =o
[19:09] <Ampelbein> done
[19:11] <askand> SeveredCross:  mentioing it because of thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=898940
[19:12] <Sharpie> now launchpad's gonna spam me again
[19:16] <Laney> Can someone try and confirm bug #260913 please?
[20:00] <rconan> how come an upgrade to intrepid wants to remove loads of packages?
[20:00] <rconan> are there packages which haven't been added to intrepid repos yet?
[20:10] <Unksi> rconan: are you using kde?
[20:10] <Splex> Anyone know how to fix this problem when running apt-get update?  W: Ignoring Provides line with DepCompareOp for package perl W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[20:11] <rconan> Unksi, i'm using some of the ubuntustudio packages which are the ones it wants to remove
[20:11] <rconan> Unksi, not kde though
[20:11] <Unksi> ok
[20:12] <rconan> Unksi, not sure if i was doing the upgrade right though. i'm trying it again now
[20:12] <Unksi> im not sure, but i guess it should be done with update-manager^ no idea about ubuntu studio
[20:14] <rconan> Unksi, i was just using apt-get with a changed sources.list like one used to do in the past. now i'm seeing what update-manager -d has to offer
[20:16] <rconan> Unksi, still wants to remove ubuntustudio-desktop and some of its dependancies
[20:17] <rconan> oh well... hopefully i'll be able to reinstall them post-upgrade
[20:18] <Unksi> ok
[20:19] <Unksi> rconan: at least the metapackage exists
[20:19] <rconan> Unksi, i just saw the download time so upgrade is waiting until a suitable time anyway
[20:54] <dupondje> I boot my system, and I don't get any icons/menubar on my gnome desktop ...
[20:54] <dupondje> can login .. but then I don't get anything on my desktop
[20:54] <dupondje> any id ?
[20:55] <JediMaster> hey guys, I've got a static ip setup through /etc/network/interfaces and every time the machine boots it uses dhcp.  :D
[21:48] <Splex> ?
[21:48] <Splex> empty desktop, strange
[21:48] <dupondje> no 'login sound' neither it seems
[21:48] <dupondje> no icons
[21:48] <dupondje> no panel :s
[21:48] <Splex> i had that problem yesterday, and when i killed x with ctrl-alt backspace... it loaded up fine after that
[21:49] <dupondje> here it doesn't :P
[21:49] <Splex> hmmm
[21:49] <Splex> did u take a look at your logs
[21:49] <dupondje> nothing strange :(
[21:51] <dupondje> If I load gnome-panel manual
[21:51] <dupondje> it works fine :s
[21:51] <Splex> did you try making a new account and logging in with that?
[21:51] <dupondje> no ...
[21:51] <dupondje> :)
[21:52] <Splex> never know when your user config is no good after an update... and an experimental one at that :P
[21:56] <dupondje> lol
[21:56] <dupondje> there I even can't login
[21:56] <dupondje> Unknown option --choose-session=openbox-session
[21:58] <dupondje> mmm
[21:58] <dupondje> selected other session
[21:58] <dupondje> and now it works :)
[21:58] <dupondje> rofl
[21:59] <dupondje> somehow default login session got changed
[22:00] <dupondje> thx dude ! :D
[22:11] <Lunks> Is 'domount' gone on intrepid?
[23:23] <pwnguin> am i going crazy, or does firefox constantly bring up a bookmark action the first time i click on the bookmark menu?