[19:19] <[ifr0g]> amck1, maybe at #kvpnc
[19:19] <jjj543k3> kword dose the same thing too, can i do the same to change kword?
[19:19] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, nope
[19:19] <sui> have a question about adept: I dist-upgraded from kubuntu 7.04 to 7.10 with aptitude. but adept still tells me theres a new version of kubuntu available and tries to fetch all packages I already installed
[19:19] <lovre_> what is a posibillity of getting adware or something similiar on kubuntu?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, can't you install the distro on your live cd?
[19:19] <sui> how can I get rid of the message from adept?
[19:19] <amck1> {ifrOg}... cool, cheers
[19:20] <Dexhu> doesn't live CD have a HD area that I can download to? and what is the path?
[19:20] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, one mini live cd it is possible with a kernel option to load os to ram but i dought the 700 live cd has it.
[19:21] <Dexhu> sorry I'm lost here how to accomplish this:(
[19:21] <[ifr0g]> sui, thats normal as far as i know, it will only download the upgrades which are small.
[19:21] <LastMall> lovre_  it should be close to nil
[19:21] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, do you see the install icon ?
[19:22] <LastMall> lovre_  but nothing is foolproof
[19:22] <Dexhu> on where..the browser or web site?
[19:22] <sui> [ifr0g]: do you mean I should let him do the upgrade again?
[19:22] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, desktop.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, on the desktop
[19:23] <lovre_> LastMall: i dont know how to explain the problem im having
[19:23] <[ifr0g]> sui, yes.. i got that too on a fresh install from the dvd..
[19:23] <Dekans> [ifr0g]: Dexhu !
[19:23] <lovre_> LastMall: i have a strange problem. In firefox, on some pages, there is a wierd line at the beginning of loaded html-s, that look like this: "BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB" and then some more strange signs. What is this?
[19:23] <Dexhu> I see a install icon and a example one
[19:23] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, opps, sorry
[19:23] <Dexhu> are those on the HD?
[19:24] <lovre_> and its not only firefox, its every HTTP application
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> Dekans, to install the current cd to hd hit the install icon and follow the steps.
[19:24] <Dekans> [ifr0g]: Dexhu !
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, firefox -safe-mode
[19:24] <sui> [ifr0g]: thats no nice solution ;) I thought it should be possible to set a string in adept.conf or klick something in this gui... but I will do it this way
[19:24] <[ifr0g]> and disable all the options
[19:25] <Dexhu> yes
[19:25] <[ifr0g]> sui, it did come up for me twice and later on i did not see it.
[19:27] <Dexhu> i'm getting confused..is there anyone who can go 1 on 1 chat with me and walk me through?
[19:27] <LastMall> lovre_  you add a bunch of plugins to firefox ?
[19:27] <Tm_T> xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: I presume you will change your nick
[19:27] <Dexhu> I would appreciate it..I know I'm asking a lot
[19:27] <lovre_> LastMall: no, i didnt. Fresh install. But i now see its not only firefox, its konqueror also. And i suppose everything that uses HTTP protocol...!"!!!!???? This is so weird. Could it be routers fault?
[19:27] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, Please state exactly what you want to accomplish.
[19:28] <Tm_T> charlie_zzz: wake up
[19:28] <Tm_T> !away > charlie_zzz
[19:28] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, COuld we have a screen shot..
[19:28] <LastMall> lovre_  it could be a proxy server's fault I suppose.
[19:28] <xevious> for a fresh install, why would i choose the dvd image over the cd image?
[19:29] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: screenshot comming
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Dexhu, the live cd contains all the files necessary to install kubuntu on your machine , do you understand that ?
[19:29] <[ifr0g]> :)
[19:29] <charlie_zzz> Tm_T: ok, sorry ... didn't realise it was a problem
[19:29] <Dexhu> OK..I'm trying to restore kbuntu that crash while I was upgrading it and now I want want to boot to it without loosing my data
[19:29] <blendtux> maybe because you can download the dvd from a fast connection and you install it on a machine with a slow connection xevious
[19:29] <BluesKaj> ok, now we find out the problem
[19:29] <Dexhu> yes I do blues but I don't have the update version on a CD
[19:29] <blendtux> internet connection that is xevious
[19:29] <xevious> blendtux: yeah. ok. i'll just grab the cd
[19:30] <LastMall> xevious  lots of disk space and wanted to see nearly every installable app
[19:30] <Dexhu> I get a ERROR 15 file not found when I try to boot up o the upgrade
[19:31] <xevious> so if you have a fast internet connection the only real benefit of the dvd is a more featureful live bootup environment?
[19:31] <LastMall> xevious  best I understand, yeah.
[19:31] <xevious> ok
[19:32] <LastMall> For myself, I do commandline installs from alternate and add kde-core and other stuff I know I need/want
[19:32] <Dexhu> is there a applicationI can use to recover my HD using live CD
[19:33] <zmitya> hi all
[19:34] <xevious> Dexhu: one solution would be to remove everything on the hard drive except /home (and any other directories you have), maybe make a copy of /etc to your home directory so you can restore any customized configuration files, then reinstall and have it use the exisiting partitions
[19:34] <Dexhu> hi zmitya
[19:34] <Eeyore-Jr> what is the deal with the  package manager in gutsy?  it has requested a version upgrade three times now
[19:34] <serenity_> is there a way to force knetworkmanager so connect to a network on startup?
[19:34] <zmitya> after an upgrade from feisty to gusty, my X became extremly slow, and it writes to the syslog:
[19:34] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: known issue, fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release)
[19:34] <[ifr0g]> Dexhu, i dought it. Best option right now is to reinstall / on another partition, thus saving your files OR Fix the error you are getting at boot.
[19:34] <xevious> Dexhu: by (and any other directories you have) i meant any other directories you've created outside of /home
[19:34] <lovre_> this is veird. But im almost sure it has something to do with ruter/proxy, cuz a friend of mine has it also, and he is in the same LAN sharing internet connection. Here is screenshot: http://i20.tinypic.com/1zwdjt4.png
[19:34] <zmitya> device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table device-mapper: table: 254:4: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[19:35] <Eeyore-Jr> it keeps re-installing kde apps i keep removing
[19:35] <Eeyore-Jr> it's irritating
[19:35] <zmitya> does anybody have idea, what's wrong ?
[19:35] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: look:
[19:35] <lovre_> http://i20.tinypic.com/1zwdjt4.png
[19:35] <Dexhu> xevious> how do I remove everything to a DVD
[19:36] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: known issue, fixed in gutsy-proposed (pre-release). open adept manager, manage the repositories, on the updates tab, select proposed (pre-release), then update and upgrade; otherwise know that 8.04 is not out yet and therefore do not attempt to follow the upgrade
[19:36] <flake> why can't i see my internal harddrives now, since I installed g++, build-essentials, they have disappeared;  fdisk -l  reveals they are there but guess I have to mount them and put them in the fstab now?
[19:36] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, nice wallpaper :) anyways, do you get it at image display too ?
[19:36] <flake> before they came right up..  7.10 new install
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> WaltzingAlong: do you know if they are going to provide an update to gutsy?
[19:36] <Eeyore-Jr> or one has to wait until 8.04 ?
[19:37] <[ifr0g]> Eeyore-Jr, Ooo. what is the code name for 8.04 ?
[19:37] <WaltzingAlong> Eeyore-Jr: i answered this twice. there is an update Already. it is in the "gutsy-proposed" repository. you can get in now by enabled proposed/pre-release updates in adept manager
[19:37] <Eeyore-Jr> i've heard different things, like icky itch is one
[19:37] <Dexhu> how does one backup to a DVD using a live CD
[19:38] <xevious> Dexhu: i meant boot to the livecd/dvd and mount your existing / to /mnt maybe, then remove /mnt/usr /mnt/var /mnt/opt /mnt/bin /mnt/sbin /mnt/boot /mnt/dev /mnt/initrd /mnt/lib /mnt/lib32 /mnt/lost+found /mnt/media /mnt/mnt /mnt/proc /mnt/root /mnt/srv /mnt/sys /mnt/tmp and any other files except /mnt/home
[19:38] <WaltzingAlong> !hardy
[19:38] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS) | Due April 2008 | For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[19:38] <xevious> Dexhu: then reinstall to that partition without formatting
[19:38] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: what you mean image display? it appears somethimes and on random pages. (I can send you the wallpaper if you want)
[19:38] <[ifr0g]> hahaa..
[19:38] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: :D
[19:38] <Dexhu> but I can not get to my HD
[19:39] <xevious> Dexhu: i would, however, recommend copying any files that you've customized in /etc to your home directory
[19:39] <Dexhu> HOW?
[19:39] <xevious> Dexhu: you can't mount it?
[19:40] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, I though the new code name was funny.. well, what does it say in sourcecode ?
[19:40] <Dexhu> I'm a novice..don't know how to use LiveCd to get to my HD
[19:40] <xevious> oh
[19:40] <xevious> Dexhu: K Menu -> System Settings -> Advanced -> Disks & Filesystems
[19:40] <[ifr0g]> :D
[19:40] <serenity_> is there a way to force knetworkmanager so connect to a network on startup?
[19:41] <xevious> Dexhu: then administrator mode, figure out which partition is your / partition and mount it to /mnt
[19:41] <Dexhu> OK xev..trying
[19:41] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: in the sorce code there is that same line as is. On the BOF.
[19:41] <[ifr0g]> serenity_, yes, by using.. manual configuration.
[19:41] <xevious> bbiab
[19:41] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, before <html> i presume.
[19:42] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: yes
[19:42] <serenity_> [ifr0g]: looked there...but cant find it
[19:42] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: on BOF. so u suppose the problem is not on my comp
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> serenity_, right click on the icon in the panel and manual.configuration.. every thing you add edit there will stay at every boot
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, well if only you could test it with out your router
[19:43] <[ifr0g]> we could be sure
[19:43] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: i cant, there are like 2000 people connected :D
[19:45] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, oh, what about loading a page off a local webserver ?
[19:45] <[ifr0g]> which does not go through your router.
[19:45] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: thats a good idea. I have to install apache anyways :D
[19:45] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: but never done it on linux, i hope it wont be a big mess
[19:46] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, huh, not really..
[19:46] <acey> Can anyone tell me why Dolphin keeps giving me a "Unable to save bookmarks" error whenever i exit it
[19:47] <acey> Anyone?
[19:47] <lovre_> acey: its a reported bug, hopely will be fixed soon.
[19:47] <acey> Oo ok thanks
[19:47] <lovre_> acey: you can temporarily fix it if you want to know
[19:47] <Eeyore-Jr> acey: it does not save your kind of bookmarks
[19:48] <acey> oo ok I would like to know please
[19:48] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, try wget couple of pages and see if you get it there too
[19:48] <acey> It says "Permission denied" in the error if that helps
[19:48] <lovre_> acey: you have to change the owner of that file to user:user instead of root:root
[19:48] <acey> wait what file?
[19:49] <acey> It does that when I click the x button
[19:49] <acey> to exit the thing
[19:49] <lovre_> acey:  i know
[19:49] <acey> oo ok, so how do I fix it?
[19:49] <lovre_> acey: go to ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[19:50] <acey> k
[19:50] <acey> im there
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: open console
[19:51] <acey> through the K menu?
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: yep
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: whateva
[19:51] <lovre_> acey: type: sudo chmod acey:acey ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: where you replace acey:acey with your username
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: erm, not 'chmod' but 'chown'
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: sorry
[19:52] <acey> oo ok so type
[19:52] <acey> sudo chown andrew:andrew ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/*
[19:52] <lovre_> acey: yes
[19:53] <lovre_> acey: now it shouldnt give you errors. But only if you dont use "Open as root" button
[19:53] <lovre_> acey: because root acces resets it
[19:53] <jim> Hi all - Any ideas after a fresh install that my CD/DVD Rom is not recognised
[19:53] <blekos> weird problem with usb HD. When I plug in my USB HD, i have to choose "open in new window" otherwise it will not be visible/accessible by other programs.
[19:53] <acey> ok i did it and nothing happened?
[19:53] <acey> oo wait ok let em try
[19:53] <acey> me*
[19:54] <acey> yay it works
[19:54] <acey> thanks
[19:54] <lovre_> acey: actually, the problem doesnt seem to be in dolphin, but in kdesu. If you want a more permanent solution you can try deinstalling kdesu. But i would not advice you to do so.
[19:54] <acey> what is kdesu? :p
[19:54] <[ifr0g]> blekos, Thats normal.. Only when you open in new window it gets mounted.
[19:54] <lovre_> acey: its KDE super user
[19:54] <acey> oo ok
[19:54] <acey> yea im already this is fine for me
[19:54] <blekos> i'm quite sure it didnt happen in Feisty
[19:55] <acey> thanks for the help
[19:55] <crackhead_25--> anybody know how to get a firewire ext hard drive to be recognized and mounted? it was formerly, but since i mounted a new hard drive and upgraded to feisty from edgy, it seems not to be showing any of my files??
[19:55] <[ifr0g]> blekos, it did for me there too..
[19:55] <acey> will there be an update for kubuntu to fix it?
[19:55] <lovre_> acey: no problem. you will most likely see it again. But its been reported and should be fixed
[19:55] <blekos> i c
[19:55] <acey> k thanks
[19:56] <crackhead_25--> lovre_: are you expert on this issue?
[19:56] <jewbilee> In gnome, Amarok's menu size just increase greatly, how do I lower it back down?
[19:57] <CapaH> I am running Gutsy Gibbon and I just installed Kubuntu (by doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu) and I notice that compiz is nowhere to be found. --- Can anyone enlighten me?
[19:58] <WaltzingAlong> !compiz | CapaH
[19:58] <ubotu> CapaH: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:58] <CapaH> thanks ubotu
[19:59] <crackhead_25--> ubotu: do you know anything about hard drive mounting and getting my feisty to see an external firewire hd?
[19:59] <rakan> Hello
[19:59] <rakan> where does kubuntu save the download files using apt-get?
[19:59] <lovre_> crackhead_25--: sorry, i was afk, what do you mean
[19:59] <Thylio> Is the only way to mount ISO images in kubuntu using Nautilus Scripts?
[19:59] <xevious> how does 7.10 partition the drive on a fresh install if you let it handle partitioning?
[20:00] <rakan> where does kubuntu save the download files using apt-get?
[20:00] <informarte> rakan: /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:00] <crackhead_25--> i have a firewire ext hd plugged in. it was recognized and mounted yesteday. i upgraded to feisty from edgy. i made a new partition from unallocated space on another hd and mkdir for that and mounted it. now i see the other. i still see the firewire. however when i go to explore the firewire, it shows no files..
[20:01] <trappist> Thylio: no, you can say sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/point
[20:01] <rakan> informarte: thanks alot :D
[20:01] <crackhead_25--> lovre_: did you see my description?
[20:02] <jim> Can anyone help as this is driving me mad - when (on a new install) I can't seem to access my CDROM drive, it will not eject, and if it does it sees all my disks as blank? All help fully appreciated!
[20:02] <Thylio> trappist:
[20:02] <Thylio> do i go in the folder that the iso lies
[20:03] <[ifr0g]> lovre_, pass me your wallpaper ..:)
[20:03] <claudia_> exit
[20:04] <lovre_> [ifr0g]: wait, imma upload it somewhere
[20:05] <trappist> Thylio: that, or give the full path to the iso on the command line
[20:05] <[ifr0g]> ok
[20:05] <Thylio> Okay;)
[20:07] <sui> bye
[20:08] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make konqueror to display previews for movie files? It works fine on Debian 4.0
[20:09] <lovre> [ifr0g]: pm
[20:10] <lovre> [ifr0g]: http://www.test.filecrunch.com/file/~h2ehza
[20:13] <Minataku> Hm
[20:13] <Minataku> Dr_Willis been around lately?
[20:13] <curi1> Hello everyone!
[20:13] <curi1> Anyone know how I can make an .img from a folder I have on my desktop?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> !iso
[20:14] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[20:15] <jim> Anyone know why my cdrom will not eject or is only read only after a fresh install?
[20:15] <crackhead_25--> lovre: are you there?
[20:16] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make gutsy konqueror to display previews/thumbnails for locally stored movie files? For all other file types, thumbnails are generated properly.  Debian 4.0 konqueror does not have this problem! Maybe my installation missing some crucial package?
[20:16] <curi1> Well I have a problem with mounting my floppy and I have these boot files that I'm trying to get to it
[20:16] <lovre> crackhead_25--: yes, but im afraid i cant help you with that, sory. Im sure someone else would know better
[20:16] <curi1> The floppy can take .img dd just find
[20:16] <curi1> fine*
[20:16] <curi1> So I figure my next try will be to make the folder a .img
[20:17] <curi1> and dd the folder to the floppy
[20:17] <crackhead_25--> does anyone have any knowledge on why my firewire external hard drive which was working and appeared mounted fine yesterday might today not be mounting? yesterday i upgraded to feisty and partitioned a new hd (separate hd, unallocated space)..
[20:17] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[20:18] <curi1> Hello contrast83!
[20:18] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, pls pastebin what tail -f /var/log/syslog shoes when plugging it in..
[20:19] <curi1> How can I make an image of a folder on my desktop to dd to a floppy since my floppy drive isn't going to mount.
[20:20] <crackhead_25--> k.. one sec..
[20:21] <[ifr0g]> curi1, whats the size of the image ?
[20:22] <curi1> ifr0g: It's alright I figured it out. I'm trying to create the image :)
[20:22] <[ifr0g]> :) ok..
[20:22] <curi1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140762
[20:22] <curi1> :)
[20:22] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: http://pastebin.ca/748349
[20:25] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, i think it create the device for you but is not mounting it automatically
[20:25] <matahari> hi
[20:25] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: what do i do?
[20:25] <matahari> kprinter isn#t working correctly in gutsy anymore - i can't print to pdf anymore...
[20:25] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, you could mount it manually.
[20:26] <crackhead_25--> how do i see if that works?
[20:26] <crackhead_25--> do you think it's been affected by my creating a new entry fstab yesterday for a new partition i made on another disk?
[20:27] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, try .. sudo mkdir /media/mydrive;sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /media/mydrive
[20:27] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, yes, might..
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> what's mount -t auto do? is it sda1? are you sure?
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> in fstab sda1 seems to be the boot drive..
[20:28] <crackhead_25--> it's definitely not the boot drive..
[20:29] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, thats what i got from your paste
[20:29] <crackhead_25--> ill put my fstab in paste too..
[20:29] <[ifr0g]> ok
[20:30] <crackhead_25--> http://pastebin.ca/748360
[20:32] <ubuntu_> hello
[20:32] <informarte> Hello *, how can I make gutsy konqueror to display previews/thumbnails for locally stored movie files? For all other file types, thumbnails are generated properly.  Debian 4.0 konqueror does not have this problem! Maybe my installation missing some crucial package?
[20:32] <chandeller> hey
[20:32] <[ifr0g]> did you do the tail command before pluging it it right ?
[20:32] <chandeller> the version 7.1.0 language pt-br exist?
[20:33] <ubuntu_> how can i join a new server ?
[20:33] <chandeller> the language pack pt-br exist for version kubunto 7.1.0 ?
[20:33] <poison--> yes chandeller
[20:33] <poison--> im using it
[20:34] <chandeller> poison--:  talk portuguese?
[20:34] <poison--> sim
[20:34] <poison--> :D
[20:34] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: thoughts? did you get my paste? http://pastebin.ca/748360
[20:34] <chandeller> poison é so dar apt-get? como vc fez?
[20:35] <[ifr0g]> yes
[20:35] <poison--> <chandeller, are you using kubuntu 7.10 or 7.04?
[20:35] <chandeller> 7.10
[20:35] <chandeller> :)
[20:36] <chandeller> poison estou usando a 7.10
[20:36] <poison--> when installing, you can choose the language to use :D
[20:36] <trappist> where should I start, troubleshooting no sound in gutsy?
[20:36] <poison--> !sound
[20:36] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:36] <chandeller> poison tanks you brow,
[20:36] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, did you do the tail command before pluging it in ?
[20:36] <poison--> <chandeller
[20:36] <poison--> !br
[20:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:36] <poison--> :D
[20:36] <poison--> tou lá
[20:36] <crackhead_25--> no, i will go do that again..
[20:36] <crackhead_25--> i did it just after i plugged it in
[20:36] <chandeller> OKS
[20:37] <shitwolf> Hi everyone!
[20:37] <poison--> !hi
[20:37] <ubotu> Hi!  X loads, but all i get is a standard background and a terminal window. No menus, no desktop-icons. Not even frames around the windows...
[20:38] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: new tail.. http://pastebin.ca/748372
[20:38] <BluesKaj> err shitwolf , that's not a proper nick for this chat
[20:38] <shitwolf> any ideas anyone?
[20:38] <shitwolf> sorry... it's my standard nick... how do i change it?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> !language | shitwolf
[20:39] <ubotu> shitwolf: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[20:39] <Greenery>  /nick newnick
[20:39] <shitwolf> I said sorry and asked how i can change it. point taken.
[20:39] <BluesKaj>   /nick newnick
[20:39] <Lille-brille> ok...
[20:40] <BluesKaj> good
[20:40] <Lille-brille> anyone who has any idea how to sort out my problem?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, were you using beryl or compiz previous to this prob
[20:41] <Lille-brille> nope.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> sounds like safe-mode
[20:42] <ady> hi
[20:42] <Lille-brille> i've been running kubuntu from before, but i had to reinstall, so i just installed from cd and kept the home-directory.
[20:42] <Lille-brille> and home-partition.
[20:42] <ady> who has got a firefox for ubuntu
[20:43] <Lille-brille> I've installed gnome now, and i'm working from that, but there are no frames around the windows here either...
[20:43] <Lille-brille> but i got menus and panels at least...
[20:43] <[ifr0g]> weird its showing sda when you already have it as a root partition
[20:43] <[ifr0g]> crackhead_25--, ^
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, have you tried reinstalling kubuntu-desktop ?
[20:43] <Lille-brille> sounds like it is running in safe mode? or like i should run in safe mode?
[20:44] <harri_> Hello, how do I get java and flash working on Konqueror (32bit Gutsy) ?? I allready installed kubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:44] <fluffman> harri_: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[20:44] <WANTED> a
[20:45] <fluffman> or just search for it in adept
[20:46] <fluffman> also install java from adept
[20:46] <mefisto__> Lille-brille: maybe you could try creating a new user and log in again to see if something in your user profile is the problem
[20:47] <Lille-brille> bluesKaj: is there a way of repairing it? or do i have to remove it first?
[20:47] <Lille-brille> BluesKaj: i was thinking sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde, but i dont know how thats going to work. I'd really like to keep my settings...
[20:47] <Lille-brille> harri: try to find it in synaptic and install it from there.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:49] <Lille-brille> but why didn't it install in the first place?
[20:50] <Lille-brille> hmm... this chat window is entirely filling the screen now... I'll have to close it down to open a terminal :-P
[20:51] <BluesKaj> dunno, Lille-brille , how did you upgrade ?
[20:51] <Lille-brille> from the live-cd
[20:51] <BluesKaj> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[20:51] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: so what do i do?
[20:52] <Lille-brille> but i had it installed from before, but needed to reinstall, so i did that from the cd, but kept the home-partition with my settings. kubuntu
[20:53] <crackhead_25--> [ifr0g]: p.s. i never "installed" it as a "root".. i just had it plugged in to begin with, and it was recognized and mounted..
[20:53] <Aftermath> I have speakers built in to my monitor, how do I make them work?
[20:53] <Aftermath> Ah, I fixed it
[20:54] <Lille-brille> hmmm.... so far i'm really, really, really disappointed with gutsy gibbon... :-(   It's a huge step backwards from feisty.
[20:55] <str> Hi there.. I upgraded to gutsy and now I lost compiz-fusion, what should I do?
[20:55] <fluffman> !copiz | str
[20:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copiz - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:55] <fluffman> oops
[20:55] <fluffman> !compiz | str
[20:55] <ubotu> str: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:55] <str> !compiz | str
[20:56] <fluffman> read those directions and follow them to a T
[20:56] <fluffman> not that it's all that great, anyway
[20:58] <BluesKaj> Lille-brille, you prolly need to fix fstab , to get your / and /home etc partitions to synch , but we need a heavy hitter here to help
[20:59] <kubuntunewbie> !info VLC
[20:59] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6.release.c-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 1134 kB, installed size 3228 kB
[21:02] <kubuntunewbie> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:02] <kubuntunewbie> oops
[21:05] <bsundsrud> !Compiz
[21:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:09] <rickey> man, kubuntu gusty is good
[21:09] <acey> Can anyone explain to me how to use compiz-fusion?
[21:09] <rickey>  i had a bug last nigth and today i got a update and it fixed it
[21:09] <acey> I installed it and enabled some plugins and restarted the x server but nothing happens
[21:10] <acey> like when i move a window it doesnt have the jello looking effect
[21:10] <mefisto__> acey: I think it's compiz --replace
[21:10] <acey> to do what?
[21:10] <mefisto__> to start compiz
[21:10] <acey> oo type that into the console?
[21:11] <mefisto__> alt-f2, then type it there
[21:11] <mefisto__> that's 2 - - before replace
[21:11] <acey> k is there a space
[21:11] <acey> like
[21:11] <acey> compiz
[21:12] <acey> then space
[21:12] <acey> --replace
[21:12] <acey> grrr i just did it and still nothing my windows aren't like jello
[21:12] <mefisto__> copy/paste this: compiz --replace
[21:12] <acey> nope nothing
[21:12] <mefisto__> any message windows?
[21:13] <acey> nothing
[21:13] <acey> i tpyed it and the window went away
[21:13] <mefisto__> try typing it in a terminal and see if it gives any errors
[21:13] <acey> grrr i installed it exactly like the tutorial said
[21:13] <acey> and i tried that and it gave me an error
[21:14] <acey> its blacklisted
[21:14] <acey> oo wait it says xgl isn't present
[21:14] <acey> do i need to install that?
[21:15] <acey> hello?
[21:16] <mefisto__> dunno acey, I think it depends on your vidcard and xorg setup
[21:16] <acey> mmm
[21:16] <acey> idk well I guess I'll uninstall it for now
[21:16] <acey> have any idea how to do that? lol
[21:17] <acey> because now everytime i mouse over a window it goes to that window XD bothering me bad now
[21:17] <rickey> wen  in douth install it
[21:17] <mefisto__> XD?
[21:17] <acey> maybe someone on #ubuntu will know thanks for the help
[21:17] <mefisto__> acey: try #compiz-fusion too
[21:18] <acey> its supposed to look like someone laughing
[21:18] <rickey> good luck acey
[21:18] <acey> oo ok yea that'll help lol thanks
[21:18] <astan> hey. i'm upgrading to gutsy, but along the way, i got a segmentation fault in some sub-process (think it was debconf) and hence x11-common was not installed :( has it happened to anyone else?
[21:18] <astan> on my laptop the gutsy upgrade worked fine.
[21:18] <rickey> acey it,s the thougth that counts
[21:18] <astan> as a result of the error i think it was unable to install x11-common.. don't know what that will leave me with when upgrade is done :/
[21:19] <jhutchins_x> acey, You've got to accept that compiz is bleeding edge alpha-test software, and still doesn't work on a majority of linux PC's.
[21:20] <rakan> Hello, is there a good open source PHP editor with intelisense like Zend studio?
[21:21] <jhutchins_x> rakan: vi
[21:21] <rakan> does it have auto completition and Intellisense?
[21:21] <waylandbill> I thought the default action was to mouse over a window and make it active or at least I know the scroll wheel functions that way.
[21:22] <jhutchins_x> You can set it up to, although it's not as thorough as emacs.
[21:22] <jhutchins_x> I thought Zend was OS anyway, don't they have a linux version?
[21:22] <rakan> no they dont
[21:23] <rakan> Zend studio is created using Java
[21:23] <rakan> so its OS independant
[21:23] <rakan> what about PHP 4? i dont see it anywhere in my kubuntu repo. can i still install it and integrate it to apache?
[21:24] <waylandbill> a firm understanding of a programming language and its libraries makes working with it easier and lowers the dependency of autocompletion and the like.
[21:24] <rakan> yea but we are talking about productivity here
[21:24] <rakan> i do know PHP quite well
[21:25] <rakan> but i recently moved to LInux. used to code on Windows using Zend
[21:25] <rakan> and auto-completion really helped in decreasing the time required to code something
[21:25] <rakan> it was such a good editoe
[21:25] <rakan> for some reason it doesnt accept arabic input on linux
[21:25] <rakan> which is strange
[21:26] <astan> maybe kdevelop has php autocompletion, and is maybe more like zend studio than vi(m) is. but i don't know.
[21:26] <rakan> thanks guyz
[21:27] <waylandbill> I'm sure there are many that can be rather productive with a simple text editor.
[21:30] <Ank_186> Can anyone answer a question about Kaffeine media player?
[21:30] <Hamppari> omg, just realised ati released AIGLX supporting driver yesterday
[21:32] <mefisto__> ask, Ank_186
[21:33] <Ank_186> mefisto?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> !ask | Ank_186
[21:33] <ubotu> Ank_186: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[21:33] <Ank_186> what does it mean when it says "no URL handler implemented"?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> Ank_186, , are you trying to play website videos
[21:34] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:34] <frojnd> How can I check if my wireless card is detected/has installed drivers??
[21:34] <Ank_186> yes
[21:35] <dhq> how do i install my infrared device built in my laptop
[21:36] <waylandbill> fronjd: lsmod should show a loaded module for it
[21:36] <BluesKaj> ok Ank_186 install libxine1-ffmpeg , but you should also install the flashplugin-nonfree and make sure you javas are fairly up to date
[21:37] <ScorpKing> frojnd: iwconfig
[21:39] <waylandbill> frojnd: lspci will tell you what kind of card it is if you are just starting out and don't know it.
[21:39] <frojnd> ScorpKing, lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extension. But eth1 has something: ESSID: "router2" Nickname: "Broadcom 4311" Mode: Managed Access Point: Invalid Link Quality=0/100
[21:39] <ScorpKing> frojnd: run lsmod | grep bcm to see if the module is loaded.
[21:40] <frojnd> hm ScorpKing there are 3 results: bcm43xx, ieee80211softmac, ieee80211
[21:41] <ScorpKing> frojnd: then it's loaded :)
[21:41] <waylandbill> frojnd: bcm43xx is the one. :)
[21:41] <ScorpKing> yes
[21:41] <frojnd> but why I can't connect to the internet ScorpKing waylandbill
[21:41] <frojnd> I mean..
[21:41] <frojnd> I set everythin IP  password...
[21:42] <ScorpKing> frojnd: using knetworkmanager? does the router have encryption?
[21:42] <frojnd> ScorpKing, router just need an 16bit pass
[21:42] <frojnd> I am on wireless on this maschine right now
[21:42] <frojnd> with linksys drivers..
[21:42] <ScorpKing> oh ok. wifi-radar works for me.
[21:42] <frojnd> but the other computer has allready build in wireless card..
[21:42] <waylandbill> I use knetworkmanager to browse access points. I couldn't do it with bcm43xx with my 4318. I needed ndiswrapper and a windows driver to get it to really work reliably.
[21:43]  * ScorpKing nods..
[21:43] <astan> i seem to have hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/147429 and my adept updater to gutsy has now hung.. i'm scared :(
[21:43] <frojnd> waylandbill, I've installed windows drivers for the laptop but I can't connect
[21:43] <harpi> hey everybody !
[21:44] <waylandbill> frojnd: is ndiswrapper's module loaded and did you set an alias? the ubuntu help wiki has good instructions.
[21:45] <waylandbill> (also bcm43xx would have to be unloaded to use ndiswrapper to load a windows driver)
[21:45] <harpi> i'm experienciing some trouble, I 'm behind a proxy server ... and i try to install via apt-get but the problem is that apt doesn't want to connect to any server to update ....
[21:45] <frojnd> waylandbill, first I've installed a program that allows windows drivers
[21:45] <harpi> does anyone have any idea of that
[21:45] <frojnd> than I load .nfo file from windows driveres
[21:45] <frojnd> and program said that driver is installed..
[21:45] <waylandbill> .inf file.. right.
[21:45] <frojnd> waylandbill, inf sorry
[21:46] <astan> any official kubuntu person here who knows what to do when hitting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/147429 ?
[21:46] <poison--> !codec
[21:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[21:46] <waylandbill> did you do ndiswrapper -ma  (install alias for all devices)
[21:46] <frojnd> waylandbill, no
[21:47] <harpi> nobody had some experience with apt-get and proxy ?
[21:47] <zerothis> I have a similar problem as when I upgraded to feisty. won't start GUI <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[21:47] <waylandbill> frojnd: you may want to try that. I'd do modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper in a terminal to see if it will help
[21:48] <waylandbill> frojnd: do those as root or via sudo btw.
[21:49] <rrubio> Hello there!
[21:49] <ScorpKing> hiya!
[21:50] <WaltzingAlong> !hi
[21:50] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:50] <ScorpKing> harpi: does konq and other kde apps have internet?
[21:50] <harpi> yep
[21:50] <ScorpKing> hmmm..
[21:51] <harpi> internet function correctly
[21:51] <ScorpKing> it should work then..
[21:52] <harpi> in fact it doesn't want to connect to any server when I do apt-get udpate ....
[21:52] <frojnd> waylandbill, sorry for that kinda delay time, I try to transfer data via flash drive...
[21:52] <harpi> sounds so weird !
[21:52] <epyfro> Hi
[21:52] <ScorpKing> harpi: i'm no pro on this but try to ping the apt repo or any of the others.
[21:52] <harpi> ok
[21:53] <frojnd> waylandbill, here is the output if I do command: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41992/
[21:54] <epyfro> is it possible to use "avm-core-applets-bzr" with KDE ?
[21:56] <frojnd> waylandbill, and after this comand: sudo modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper  If I do iwconfig there is no more eth1
[21:57] <frojnd> waylandbill, iwconfig before sudo modprobe -r bcm43xx; modprobe -r ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -ma; modprobe ndiswrapper   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41995/
[21:58] <venik> I am having trouble with Xsane or Kooka, using a Canoscan N650U scanner, which works fine under Windows XP
[21:59] <venik> when I try to use it, I just hear a loud noise from the scanner, but no image, although the PREVIEW seems to work
[21:59] <frojnd> oh and waylandbill if I click on a network settings, there is also NO wireless settings :S
[21:59] <frojnd> waylandbill, where have u gone ?  I neeeeeed u :)
[21:59] <venik> this is under Kubuntu 7.10
[21:59] <angasule> !pydance
[21:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pydance - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:00] <angasule> !stepmania
[22:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepmania - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:00] <dhq> wats on the kubuntu dvd
[22:01] <frojnd> oh and waylandbill if I do lsmod | grep bcm there is nothing..
[22:02] <zerothis> any word on the no graphic when I upgraded to gusty problem? <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[22:02] <Dhraakellian> I installed ubuntu-desktop with aptitude.  What's the best way to get rid of it and all the dependencies it installed?
[22:05] <angasule> Dhraakellian: "aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop" doesn't do it? it should
[22:06] <frojnd> Ok looks like waylandbill is gone..
[22:06] <frojnd> does anyone know how can I enable or install wireless card?
[22:06] <zerothis> angasule: can aptitude remove itself?
[22:07] <frojnd> I wnet to administration and than enabled firmware for broadcom 43xx chipset family
[22:07] <frojnd> but han I have to specify a firmware location
[22:07] <angasule> zerothis: eh? you want to remove aptitude? why on earth?
[22:07] <frojnd> what exactly is firmware location???
[22:07] <Dhraakellian> angasule: that only removes the metapackage
[22:07] <||arifaX> a friend of mine has installation problems (feisty and gutsy) on a notebook. it is a 64bit machine. the 32bit installer does not reach the boot screen. the 64bit version installs with no problems. some kind of timer error appears during boot. any ideas because he wants to install 32bit?
[22:08] <angasule> Dhraakellian: did you install with aptitude or with apt-get (or a front end like adept, synaptic, etc)?
[22:08] <zerothis> angasule: no Dhraakellian wanted to remove it. I want X to work <http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41990/>
[22:09] <angasule> zerothis: Dhraakellian wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop, not aptitude
[22:09] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: seems like you need to grab a copy of the ms windows driver. the firmware would be in that
[22:09] <frojnd> I wanna to install drivers for my wifi: bradcom. So I went to administration -> restricted drivers and enabled Broadcom 43xx. And than a window appeared with some kind of note that I have to specify firmware location... where is this?
[22:10] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong, I have windows drivers.
[22:10] <WaltzingAlong> !bcm43xx
[22:10] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[22:10] <frojnd> but what file am I looking for
[22:10] <frojnd> WaltzingAlong,
[22:10] <||arifaX> frojnd: I have also a broadcom BCM4328 in a notebook what is yours maybe I can help you a little
[22:10] <Dhraakellian> angasule: I'm pretty sure it was aptitude, since I remember reading that aptitude is smarter about uninstalling metapackages
[22:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: mine did NOT work with the bc43xx driver from linux
[22:11] <frojnd> ||arifaX, just a sec
[22:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: I needed the win driver and ndiswrapper
[22:11] <Dhraakellian> I can double-check my bash history though
[22:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, Dell Wireless 1390 802.11b/g
[22:12] <angasule> Dhraakellian: yes, aptitude is smarter for uninstalling, but you have to use aptitude all the time for it to work right
[22:12] <Dhraakellian> angasule: yeah... I installed ubuntu-desktop with aptitude
[22:12] <Dhraakellian> other stuff with different frontends, yes, but ubuntu-desktop was installed with aptitude
[22:13] <MEtaLpREs> so, just got my copy of Guttsy, the livecd works fine, boots fine,  the installer goes great and installs fine, then when i reboot it starts booting fine then i get a blank screen, not even a cursor or anything and it sits and doesnt ever go any further, even after 30 mins
[22:13] <Dhraakellian> on the other hand, this is a very fresh install, so wiping it out and starting over wouldn't be too tragic
[22:13] <MEtaLpREs> i checked my xorg.conf file and reset it back to vesa drivers and it still doesnt boot
[22:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: there is a howto her for feisty http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 maybe this also applies to gutsy?
[22:14] <angasule> Dhraakellian: you have to use *only* aptitude if you want it to work right, aptitude isn't magic, it keeps a database on automatically installed packages
[22:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I hopse so
[22:14]  * Dhraakellian looks around for that purekde page
[22:15] <||arifaX> frojnd: I think you can skip the part with compiling ndiswrapper, just install it and use the one that comes with gutsy
[22:15] <Dhraakellian> ah, found it:  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde.php
[22:15] <MEtaLpREs> i did see some forums posts saying that some systems can take as much as 5mins to detect the vid card on boot, but even after 30 im still not getting anyhting, and it appears to be frozen totally, cant even dump back to a console
[22:16] <||arifaX> MEtaLpREs: pc or notebook?
[22:16] <MEtaLpREs> pc
[22:16] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well I don't have cable internet here
[22:16] <frojnd> just wireless
[22:16] <frojnd> that sux
[22:17] <||arifaX> frojnd: but you are online at the moment how comes?
[22:17] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I have 2 computers one laptop that I can't connect and this box..
[22:18] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:18] <MEtaLpREs> im grabbing a copy of feisty now so i can try that and maybe do an upgrade cause gutsy just doesnt work as a frsh install on this box
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: you could try to get the .deb packages or make a net2net connection to the working machine via cable and use it as gateway
[22:19] <MEtaLpREs> i can only assume its a video card issue, but im running a radeon 9600, its like one of the most common video cards out there, so why it wouldnt work its a mystery to me
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: a small proxy server would be enough
[22:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I also have flash drive
[22:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I don't have any cross over cable here with me
[22:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:20] <WaltzingAlong> with two linux machines? using a normal cable should work
[22:20] <jing> hi
[22:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: so what you need would be ndiswrapper and the dell driver executable and cabextract
[22:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: do you run same distribution on both machines?
[22:21] <frojnd> ||arifaX, nop, on box feisty and on laptop gutsy
[22:22] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ndiswrapper ok
[22:22] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I just have to download windows drivers
[22:22] <||arifaX> frojnd: you could extract the dell driver on the other machine so you don't need the cabextract on the target machine
[22:23] <frojnd> ||arifaX, i allready have extracted on the laptop just on XPs...
[22:23] <||arifaX> frojnd: so you need the .deb for ndiswrapper the .inf and the .sys from the driver and that should be all
[22:24] <||arifaX> I could send you the .deb for ndiswrapper from my apt-cache if you like (I am on gutsy)
[22:26] <frojnd> || I have ndiswrapper
[22:26] <frojnd> ||arifaX,  I have ndiswrapper
[22:26] <||arifaX> frojnd: so you just need to do that tutorial and it should work! oh and if you have wpa you need wpa_supplicant
[22:27] <frojnd> ||arifaX, when I do ndiswrapper -l there is a note: bcmwl: invalid driver! bcmwl5: invalid driver!
[22:27] <||arifaX> frojnd: strange
[22:28] <||arifaX> frojnd: you have the .sys and the .inf there?
[22:28] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how can I unistall em
[22:28] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:28] <||arifaX> frojnd: ndiswrapper -r drivername
[22:29] <||arifaX> btw I use bcmwl5 here
[22:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, same here :>
[22:30] <||arifaX> frojnd: I don't know if ndiswrapper does copy the driver when you install it. did you install it from the flash drive or did you copy it to local disk before?
[22:30] <frojnd> ok
[22:30] <frojnd> removed
[22:30] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I just copyed the content on my local disk
[22:31] <frojnd> NOW
[22:31] <||arifaX> frojnd: I checked. ndiswrapper copies the driver to /etc/ndiswrapper/bcml5/bcmwl5.sys
[22:32] <||arifaX> frojnd: and you used that R151517.EXE from dell as source?
[22:33] <frojnd> ||arifaX, rhat's correct :)
[22:34] <||arifaX> frojnd: maybe the linux bc43xx module is loaded on your machine and makes problems with the other driver. hmm could be
[22:35] <miles_> is there a command to display how much ram one has in konsole?
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, could be...
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, now I've installed successfully
[22:35] <frojnd> ||arifaX, how can I check if it works
[22:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: did you do that part adding ndiswrapper to your modules?
[22:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I can see wireless settings there
[22:36] <AmyRose> How can I find out what programs are started with the default Kubuntu session? (I turned off session saving)
[22:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: yeah
[22:37] <||arifaX> do a    sudo iwlist scanning
[22:37] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but when I do lsmod | grep bcm there is nothing
[22:37] <||arifaX> frojnd: thats ok! same here
[22:37] <||arifaX> frojnd: you do not use the bcm kernel modul you use ndiswrapper!
[22:37] <frojnd> ||arifaX, oh ok
[22:38] <||arifaX> frojnd: when I do sudo iwlist scanning here I see my accesspoint in the result. but I remember I needed a reboot before it worked - what shows ndiswrapper -l ?
[22:38] <frojnd> ||arifaX, i'll paste u output of scanning
[22:39] <||arifaX> frojnd: use pastebin
[22:39] <needles> !xorg
[22:39] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:39] <needles> !xserver
[22:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:39] <needles> !x
[22:39] <MilesG> 1000 kb = 1 mb, correct?
[22:39] <||arifaX> MilesG: sometimes
[22:39] <MilesG> ?
[22:39] <acey> Can anyone tell me how to make the bottom bar transparent so windows will be shown under it?
[22:39] <||arifaX> 1024kb = 1mb sometimes
[22:40] <MilesG> oic
[22:40] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42004/
[22:40] <acey> or shortcuts under it?
[22:40] <needles> how does that command go again?
[22:40] <needles> dpkg xserver-xorg?
[22:40] <needles> or something along those lines
[22:40] <MilesG> cat /proc/meminfo says MemTotal = 1027420 kb, so it is safe to say i have 1 gig of ram
[22:40] <MilesG> [confirm/deny]
[22:41] <||arifaX> hey frojnd: your wireless works!
[22:41] <needles> !xserver-xorg
[22:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver-xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, and ndiswrapper -l shows: bcmwl5: driver installed device (E:O...) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[22:41]  * MilesG is crying
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok but I still can't connect to a net :)
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I'll reboot
[22:41] <||arifaX> frojnd: thats another thing
[22:41] <||arifaX> I don't think you need a reboot because your wireless is already up and running
[22:41] <frojnd> ||arifaX, u meantion some kind of support for wep
[22:42] <||arifaX> frojnd: wep should work out of the box only wpa needs wpa_supplicant and it looks like wep at yours
[22:43] <frojnd> ||arifaX, couse here on this box here I only have to blackist rt61pci and wireless worked after that... no other support for wep...
[22:43] <frojnd> ||arifaX, we are talking here about same network
[22:43] <||arifaX> frojnd: but you need a wep key right!
[22:43] <MilesG> AmyRose: is this what yall wanted? http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#otostart
[22:44] <||arifaX> frojnd: if you have no wireless manager installed you need to enter the key into /etc/network/interfaces
[22:44] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes, and I enter it on laptop the same as here on box
[22:44] <AmyRose> MilesG: Yeah, but I found what I wanted to know by digging around in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings
[22:44] <MilesG> you aight
[22:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: do a iwconfig --help (i hope you got it installed) and try to use that command to enter everything on the command line
[22:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: do you have a dhcp on your router?
[22:45] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[22:46] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I can access router
[22:46] <||arifaX> frojnd: try a "sudo dhclient eth1" then
[22:46] <needles> whats the command go reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[22:46] <MilesG> AmyRose: how long have you been using linux?
[22:46] <AmyRose> MilesG: almost 4 years :P
[22:46] <||arifaX> needles: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:46] <needles> ||arifaX: thanks
[22:46] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but every client that connects to the router has to set dns, static ip etc...
[22:46] <MilesG> AmyRose: how long have you loved sonic the hedgehog?
[22:46] <||arifaX> frojnd: I see
[22:46] <AmyRose> MilesG: Since about 1994 :P
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: see the sample here http://www.klamm.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-102528.html
[22:47] <frojnd> :)
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: check the part with eth1
[22:47] <frojnd> I mean o_O
[22:47] <||arifaX> frojnd: this should bring you online. dns is the other thing maybe you have to add it to /etc/resolv.conf manually
[22:47] <MilesG> lol
[22:48] <higgi> hi can someone help me install beryl?
[22:48] <AmyRose> !beryl | higgi
[22:48] <ubotu> higgi: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:49] <ardchoille> !beryl | higgi
[22:49] <BrightEyes`> any IDEs for writing c# and creating GUIs easily? (like netbeans)
[22:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, under /etc/network/interfaces I have only settings for wired network
[22:49] <ardchoille> !compiz | higgi
[22:49] <MilesG> !mono | BrightEyes`
[22:49] <ubotu> higgi: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mono - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:49] <MilesG> !monodevelop | BrightEyes`
[22:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about monodevelop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: add it!
[22:49] <MilesG> BrightEyes`: look at monodevelop
[22:50] <BrightEyes`> MilesG: i couldnt install it.can u help me?
[22:50] <AmyRose> !u | BrightEyes`
[22:50] <ubotu> BrightEyes`: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[22:50] <MilesG> BrightEyes`: "sudo apt-get install monodevelop"
[22:50] <||arifaX> frojnd: maybe paste current and add some lines with the static ip supnetmask and gateway you want to add, I will look at it
[22:50] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well no... I have settings for eth1
[22:51] <||arifaX> frojnd: then change it like shown on the page using your values
[22:51] <||arifaX> when done do an sudo ifdown eth1 and then sudo ifup eth1
[22:52] <BrightEyes`> MilesG: you rock dude! thanks
[22:52]  * MilesG nods
[22:52] <ardchoille> AmyRose: u don't like peoploe typing "u"?
[22:53]  * ardchoille mutters something about freedom of speech
[22:53]  * MilesG goes to www.utube.com
[22:53] <ardchoille> hehe
[22:53] <frojnd> ||arifaX, /etc/network/interfaces for wireless: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42006/
[22:57] <||arifaX> frojnd: looks good you could try removing the auto eth1
[22:57] <frojnd> ok
[22:58] <frojnd> should I restart anything
[22:58] <frojnd> and ||arifaX I need to put dns somewhere
[22:58] <MilesG> wait wait, i think i know this one
[22:58] <MilesG> "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
[22:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, since on XP u cann't connect to router if u don't have set dnss
[22:58] <WaltzingAlong> AmyRose: those of us with konversation can use the 'autoreplace' to replace an outgoing 'u' with 'you'
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: you should be able to ping the router without setting a dns
[22:59] <MilesG> necromancer
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: just do a     sudo ifdown eth1    and sudo ifup eth1
[22:59] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well I can ping it ...
[22:59] <||arifaX> frojnd: then good so
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> !info monodevelop
[23:00] <||arifaX> frojnd: now check /etc/resolv.conf and maybe post it - what is your dns ip same es gateway?
[23:00] <ubotu> monodevelop: C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.14+dfsg-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 2273 kB, installed size 7280 kB
[23:00] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42007/  settings for this box
[23:00] <astan> hm. the very simple thing of opening up a network port, will i have to fiddle with iptables for that, or is there something that comes standard with kubuntu (KDE?) to just open up a port?
[23:00] <Bandito> Yesssss I finally got this poxy KUBUNTU to go Wireless
[23:00] <MilesG> astan: try firestarter
[23:00] <frojnd> ||arifaX, nop gateway IP and dns1 and dns2 are different
[23:00] <MilesG> !firestarter | astan
[23:00] <ubotu> astan: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> !info guarddog
[23:00] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 482 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[23:01] <AmyRose> WaltzingAlong: I know
[23:01] <||arifaX> frojnd: wait a mom
[23:01] <trappist> anybody got a geforce 8800?  I'm wondering if they've fixed the drivers yet.
[23:02] <frojnd> ||arifaX, /etc/resolv.conf:  nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:02] <astan> MilesG WaltzingAlong: okay. thanks. on one of my computers i was using kmyfirewall, which worked okay.. i just thought if there was something already in KDE for very simple things.
[23:02] <||arifaX> frojnd: are this the right ones?
[23:02] <astan> i'll look into the alternatives again then.
[23:02] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes the same as here on the box
[23:03] <WaltzingAlong> astan: those are just interfaces to configuring iptables but sure, use whichever suites you
[23:03] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok. you can ping the router so your wireless works. you have the correct dns settings in resolv.conf you should be able to ping some hostname on the internet now.   try ping www.google.de
[23:04] <frojnd> ||arifaX, it wont :S
[23:04] <MilesG> computers are crazy
[23:04] <||arifaX> frojnd: your nameservers are public nameservers in the internet. so you won't come over the router at the moment
[23:05] <||arifaX> can you ping the nameservers ips and get a response (I can from here!)
[23:05] <Hamppari> Hello, how do I install Compiz?
[23:05] <||arifaX> frojnd: ^I can ping your dns servers so they are public
[23:05] <frojnd> ||arifaX, well what is it than
[23:05] <frojnd> ||arifaX, what is the hatch... this is really insane
[23:05] <Hamppari> !compiz
[23:05] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[23:06] <||arifaX> frojnd: can you ping the nameservers IPs?
[23:06] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I got response: ping: unknown host www.google.de
[23:06] <frojnd> ||arifaX, yes
[23:07] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok I CANT
[23:07] <frojnd> ||arifaX, from ping <IP_ADDRESS> ...
[23:07] <frojnd> WTF
[23:07] <frojnd> This settings are for my wired network at home
[23:07] <frojnd> I have this IP at home..
[23:08] <WaltzingAlong> frojnd: it may help to read a little about routing
[23:08] <||arifaX> frojnd: what shows    dig @<IP_ADDRESS> www.google.de
[23:09] <frojnd> ||arifaX, 1 server found
[23:09] <frojnd> ;; global options: printcmd
[23:09] <||arifaX> WaltzingAlong: he already can ping his dns-servers which are on the internet so routing is okay I think
[23:09] <||arifaX> frojnd: use pastebin
[23:09] <frojnd> ;; connection timed out; no serveres could be reached
[23:10] <frojnd> oh sorry I was in the hurry
[23:10] <||arifaX> frojnd: so this means you can't reach your dns servers. you told me you could ping them right?
[23:10] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but than I've corrected myself :S
[23:11] <frojnd> I thought I could ping couse I misstyped: ping 193.2.166
[23:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: then WaltzingAlong is right. you cannot reach the public internet.
[23:11] <||arifaX> frojnd: what shows    dig  @<IP_ADDRESS> www.google.de
[23:11] <astan> WaltzingAlong: guarddog was just what i was looking for, it was even easier than kmyfirewall which i've used before. thanks!
[23:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, btw, thanx for helping me so much
[23:12] <frojnd> ||arifaX, the same as <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:13] <||arifaX> frojnd: no problem.   could you please pastebin the output of      route
[23:13] <frojnd> ||arifaX, just a sec
[23:14] <Hamppari> How do I make sure I have the 8.42.3 ati driver installed and not the "old" one
[23:14] <jcha> guys, i've installed the compiz-fusion packages on gutsy... now what? :-) There appears to be no difference, what do i have to do to enable it?
[23:14] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42008/
[23:15] <newsense07> jcha: from run: compiz --replace
[23:15] <||arifaX> frojnd: and the output of     route    please
[23:15] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | jcha, check the wiki;
[23:16] <Hamppari> I have the newest ati driver now when I run compiz --replace It says Checking for Xgl: not present. Why is tht?
[23:16] <jcha> newsense07: you're a star! that worked!
[23:16] <jcha> nice one!
[23:16] <newsense07> np
[23:16] <frojnd> ||arifaX, and with this u mean dig @dns ?
[23:16] <jcha> cheers
[23:16] <||arifaX> frojnd: no just the output of the command    "route"
[23:17] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok just a sec
[23:17] <jcha> by the way, am I the only person that gets p***ed off at how google returns results for ubuntu when you search for kubuntu even when half the time ubuntu isn't even mentioned in the page?! it's driving me nuts!
[23:18] <||arifaX> jcha: modify your search string then and add -"ubuntu" maybe helps
[23:18] <Hamppari> !aigxl
[23:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aigxl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:18] <newsense07> same thing besides kde replaces gnome
[23:18] <frojnd> ||arifaX, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42010/
[23:19] <frojnd> ||arifaX, it is using the settings for my home wired network... somehow
[23:19] <jcha> just a pet peeve ;-) cheers for the help guys, laters
[23:19] <||arifaX> frojnd: that is strange
[23:20] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I'll paste u the /etc/network/interfaces
[23:20] <||arifaX> frojnd: your gateway is <IP_ADDRESS> - right? and on eth1 your default route points to <IP_ADDRESS> on eth0 so you could not get out of your net
[23:20] <john_> cunt
[23:20] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok
[23:21] <||arifaX> frojnd: also add     "ifconfig eth1"    output please
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> !intel
[23:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <needles> how would i make kmplayer the default media player?
[23:24] <WaltzingAlong> !default
[23:24] <ubotu> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[23:26] <needles> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[23:26]  * WaltzingAlong nods
[23:26] <frojnd> ||arifaX, sorry for delay: I have to put in out flash... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42011/
[23:27] <MilesG> is it possible to download kde themes from the kubuntu repositories>
[23:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, still there ? :)
[23:29] <||arifaX> frojnd: your settings for eth0 and eth1 interfer.
[23:29] <frojnd> ||arifaX, somehow they fight...
[23:30] <||arifaX> try a "sudo ifconfig eth0 down"   and then "sudo ifconfig eth1 down"   then "sudo ifup eth1" and check "route" for changes
[23:32] <imagine[laptop]> Hmm... All my menu in Kmenu are weird it is like this: :Entries from Strigi Apps
[23:32] <frojnd> ||arifaX, sudo ifup eth1 SIOCSIFFČAGS: NO such file or directory
[23:33] <||arifaX> frojnd: np what about route is there now eth1 in? or still eth0 as default?
[23:33] <frojnd> ||arifaX, route: everything disapeard :)
[23:33] <imagine[laptop]> anyone has their Kmenu all weird with Stuff related to strigi to all entry ?
[23:33] <||arifaX> frojnd: ok so you are not connected to the accesspoint anymore I think
[23:33] <frojnd> just writes: Destination, Getway, Fenmask Flasgs Metric...
[23:34] <||arifaX> frojnd: do a   "sudo ifconfig eth1 up"
[23:34] <frojnd> ||arifaX, SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory
[23:35] <||arifaX> frojnd: strange - if you do again    sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart   what happens?
[23:36] <frojnd> first: * reconfiguring network interfaces... RTNETLINK answer: no such process SIOCDELRT: no such process
[23:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: I think you really have only the problem that you have concurrent settings for your 2 interfaces. you could remove eth0 completely from interfaces temporary to get eth1 as default route or maybe do a reboot now and we can look again
[23:36] <imagine[laptop]> come on.. somebody has to have this problem.... It's just stupid.. All my menu are bugged by strigi
[23:36] <||arifaX> frojnd: I will be smoking a cig and be back soon maybe your reboot is done then
[23:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok..
[23:36] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but it will be quick
[23:36] <frojnd> 30 sec :D
[23:37] <shadowhywind> where are the location where most icons are stored in?
[23:37] <imagine[laptop]> shadowhywind: ~/.kde ?
[23:38] <shadowhywind> do you know what folder in side of the .KDE folder they would be in?
[23:39] <stdin> shadowhywind: you mean system icons?
[23:39] <shadowhywind> like the pidgin systray icon
[23:39] <stdin> shadowhywind: /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps
[23:39] <imagine[laptop]> oh yeah.. /usr/share/... didn't remmeber
[23:40] <Minataku> <.<
[23:40] <||arifaX> frojnd: so what now?
[23:40] <imagine[laptop]> stdin: Did you have any issue with Kmenu entries being altered by Strigi?
[23:40] <Minataku> Where is Dr_Willis ? ;o;
[23:40] <frojnd> ||arifaX, let's move away ath0
[23:40] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: nope, all strigi does is eat my cpu :p
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> All my entries start with _:Entries in K-Menu: Strigi app name: name of the apps
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> It's damn annoying...
[23:41] <Minataku> Mmmmm. Semiconductors.
[23:41] <imagine[laptop]> stdin: yeah.. I disabled the daemon.. but it still ***** my Menu
[23:42] <stdin> I don't see how strigi could write to the kmenu, but I don't know it all that well
[23:42] <zach_> hello
[23:42] <imagine[laptop]> I don't know but it does it... it's like it's corrupted on my system, but it's a fresh install
[23:43] <zach_> i've got this problem that involves Firefox
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> oh well..
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> I'm out
[23:43] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: I'd recommend you report it on launchpad
[23:43] <imagine[laptop]> laucnhpad ?
[23:44] <frojnd> ||arifaX, we could remove settings for wired network...
[23:44] <stdin> imagine[laptop]: launchpad is the site Ubuntu (and Kubuntu) bugs go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[23:44] <imagine[laptop]> ty
[23:44] <zach_> it seems to have problems loading the security features
[23:44] <imagine[laptop]> no time to report it right now.. Got some studying to do I'll do it later on
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> hi
[23:45] <||arifaX> frojnd: look at the end of http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/42013/
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> can i use i386 distro with a AMD 64 cpu  ?
[23:45] <||arifaX> MaDiNfO_: yes
[23:45] <MaDiNfO_> okay
[23:46] <zach_> because it won't start up, and it says that it had problems trying to load the security features
[23:46] <||arifaX> MaDiNfO_: would be the better choice if you you want to use it as simple desktop systems because all stuff like flash firefox codecs etc. works out of the box then
[23:46] <zach_> and that it couldn't load firefox for that reason
[23:47] <MaDiNfO_> no flash for x86_64 ?
[23:47] <Minataku> x64, IMO, is a lousy hack
[23:47] <Minataku> I don't see it getting too much support any time soon
[23:47] <zach_> ;_;
[23:47] <Minataku> Just boot the lousy pieces of silicon in Legacy Mode
[23:47] <||arifaX> Minataku: good for servers
[23:48] <Minataku> Even though you're stuck with x86 either way, you'll be happier
[23:48] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: flash only works on 32bit (tho Adobe have some plans for 64bit versions some time in the future)
[23:48] <Minataku> Of course, you'll be happiest when you're like be and you find the world outside x86
[23:48] <Minataku> Like UltraSPARC <3
[23:48] <zach_> can anyone help me?
[23:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, ok I've pasted
[23:49] <blendtux> anybody ovehrere having problems with blender on gutsy gibbon
[23:49] <zach_> i'm new to this OS, and I'd like to learn more
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: restart networking
[23:49] <frojnd> ||arifaX, so now sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[23:49] <blendtux> crashes when you push the play button
[23:49] <zach_>
[23:49] <zach_> >_>
[23:49] <bottiger> I've always used "du -sk .[A-z]* * | sort -n" to se which files/folder that takes up space on my harddrive. However, can someone help me extend it so it prints out the filesize in a human readable format. like "du -sh foo" ?
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: yep
[23:49] <zach_> <_<
[23:49] <Minataku> Sorry, I've grown to dislike x86 after using other architectures and realizing just how poor x86 is
[23:49] <||arifaX> frojnd: and checkout "route" again and all other stuff we tried
[23:50] <zach_> :'(
[23:50] <MaDiNfO_> well i can compile on i386 with x64 cpu extencions to get more speed or not ?
[23:50] <Minataku> zach_: Slow down
[23:51] <Minataku> MaDiNfO_: No
[23:51] <_mark_> Does anyone know how to downgrade from Gutsy to Feisty?
[23:51] <zach_> ok..............
[23:51] <Minataku> If it's booted in legacy mode, it can only run IA-32 apps
[23:51] <MaDiNfO_> ok
[23:51] <Minataku> And 64bit doesn't give much improvement on x86 anyway
[23:51] <MaDiNfO_> i will stay on i386 than
[23:51] <Minataku> Especially in userland
[23:51] <zach_> i just kind of tend to assume that people ignore me
[23:51] <Minataku> zach_: If nobody knows the answer, they won't respond
[23:52] <Minataku> It keeps the signal to noise ratio better
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> zach_: learn linux
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> or kubuntu
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> or anyother distro
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> google is your teacher
[23:52] <zach_> i have kubuntu
[23:52] <Minataku> zach_: Limit asking to maybe every 20 minutes
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> wathever
[23:52] <zach_> ok
[23:52] <MaDiNfO_> google teach you
[23:52] <Minataku> Perhaps someone will show up later who knows
[23:52] <zach_> cool
[23:52] <Minataku> MaDiNfO_: Cease
[23:53] <zach_> alright
[23:53] <declan> What does zach want to know?
[23:53] <Minataku> We don't harass the newbies here
[23:53] <||arifaX> a friend of mine has installation problems (feisty and gutsy) on a notebook. it is a 64bit machine. the 32bit installer does not reach the boot screen. the 64bit version installs with no problems. some kind of timer error appears during boot. any ideas because he wants to install 32bit?
[23:53] <Minataku> We help them
[23:53] <marx2k> Anyone here use KLibido?
[23:53] <Minataku> Unless they're just being stupid and/or lazy, which has happened before
[23:53] <MaDiNfO_> Minataku: yes but they need to be more specific about their problem
[23:53] <MaDiNfO_> :P
[23:53] <Minataku> He was quite specific
[23:53] <Minataku> You probably missed it
 i'm new to this OS, and I'd like to learn more
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> maybe
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> this was wath i saw
[23:54] <declan> Seems a bit of a large question...
[23:54]  * WaltzingAlong had not even seen a question in that
[23:54] <declan> Nothing more specific?
[23:54] <MaDiNfO_> anyway
[23:55] <MaDiNfO_> sleep time
[23:55] <WaltzingAlong> _mark_: grab the feisty alt cd, install from there, formatting / but leaving /home intact
[23:55] <Minataku> Scroll up and look for it, or zach_, just repeat it
[23:56]  * MaDiNfO_ AFK
[23:56] <||arifaX> frojnd: any news?
[23:56] <WaltzingAlong> MaDiNfO_: in konversation press f3 to start a search
[23:57] <frojnd> ||arifaX, jsut bad news :s
[23:57] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: public away messages are obnoxious
[23:57] <_mark_> WaltzingAlong: I think my /home is in the same partition as everything else.  It won't work then, will it?
[23:57] <_mark_> Or will it?
[23:57] <MaDiNfO_> stdin: its s simple /ame
[23:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, I've tryed everything: route nothing dig nothuing... and than I've sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[23:58] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: just use /away <reason>  when you are away
[23:58] <WaltzingAlong> _mark_: well saving /home was meant to save your personal files/folders; but any of the !backup methods should work for that
[23:58] <frojnd> ||arifaX, still nothing, and than I sudo ifconfig eth1 down (I don't know why)
[23:58] <stdin> and take a look at the IRC Guidelines
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> anything else ?
[23:59] <stdin> MaDiNfO_: nope, you're free to sleep :)
[23:59] <frojnd> ||arifaX, but if  I do iwconfig there are settings for eth1 despite I made sudo ifconfig eth1 down
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> :P
[23:59] <MaDiNfO_> okay
[23:59] <declan> I have a question: how do people here start compiz on kubuntu gutsy. When I type compiz, I end up without decorations, and the desktop becomes unusable. Is there a better command to type? I have ubuntu-desktop installed, and it works there, so I guess I have all of the requisite packages...


[01:16] <jrwren> does https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ include updates to images like 12.04.{1,2,3}
[01:17] <jrwren> and ah, 12.04.3 was just a couple weeks ago. I missed that.


[01:54] <tomreyn> daftykins: use a raspi (or similar SOC) and its gpio pins if you have
[01:55] <tomreyn> and, yes, i guess "shortly" was much an exaggeration
[03:13] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:15] <sarnold> hey lotuspsychje :)
[03:16] <lotuspsychje> morning sarnold
[03:51] <cybertruck2077> Hi guys, I'm writing Linux this semester
[03:51] <sarnold> kernel module?
[03:51] <cybertruck2077> anyone know a good resource for Bash shell flashcards?
[03:51] <sarnold> or something else?
[03:52] <cybertruck2077> Prescribed book is Linux Bible - 9th Edition
[03:52] <sarnold> I use this every few days https://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html
[03:52] <cybertruck2077> Thank you!
[03:52] <sarnold> but this is probably more useful https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> cybertruck2077: whats it gonna be about exactly
[03:53] <cybertruck2077> The book has Fedora as a focus, but I've noticed Ubuntu is very similar, also Gnome, Bash, etc
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> cybertruck2077: wich class are you in?
[03:53] <cybertruck2077> Operating Systems Practice
[03:53] <sarnold> there's things that are very similar and things that are very different ;)
[03:53] <cybertruck2077> lol, thanks
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> cybertruck2077: so your book is making a journey through different Oses?
[03:54] <sarnold> so when something odesn't seem to work out right, ask around, someone may know what needs to change; the packaging is hugely different, but after that a lot is similar
[03:54] <cybertruck2077> 2nd year (This semester) covers the first 12 chapters of the book, 3rd year covers the second half
[03:54] <sarnold> time for me to bail, have fun :)
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> nite nite sarnold
[03:55] <cybertruck2077> lotuspsychje: it seems to cover the RHCE path
[03:55] <cybertruck2077> sarnold: thanks for the links!
[07:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:32] <ducasse> good morning
[09:44] <daftykins> tomreyn: hrmm i'd have to work out a way to get an OS on it that's enough to handle loading the firmware back onto the switch, i already have a USB to TTL on the way for £6.66 so i'll just be patient i suppose!
[11:19] <tomreyn> yes, this sounds easier then.
[11:20] <daftykins> appreciate the idea though :D
[11:22] <tomreyn> and i appreciate your (indirectly) pormpting me to read https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/110478/difference-between-uart-and-rs-232
[11:32] <daftykins> :D
[11:32] <marcoagpinto> Guys?! Hello!
[11:32] <marcoagpinto> it is the cola demon!
[11:32] <daftykins> oh nooooo
[11:33] <marcoagpinto> I have been optimising code and revising my thesis
[11:33] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:34] <marcoagpinto> I revised the abstract both in Portuguese and English
[11:34] <daftykins> might have a shot at 2029 completion then?
[11:34] <marcoagpinto> well, I was hoping this year
[11:34] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:34] <marcoagpinto> but the supervisors are very demanding
[11:34] <marcoagpinto> they pick on every little detail
[11:36] <marcoagpinto> also, I have been revising per bits (small parts) which I send to the cosupervisor for review
[11:36] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:37] <marcoagpinto> after the small parts are approved, I will move to bigger ones
[11:42] <lordievader> <marcoagpinto "they pick on every little detail"> That is what they are paided for...
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> lordievader: No one is paying them, they are doing it for free
[11:42] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> but they will earn $$$$ with the software
[11:43] <marcoagpinto> I have been optimising the software too
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: They were referencing FDE and I assumed it meant full disk enc in the literal sense
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: Though I have seen postings where encryption of the Ubuntu/Linux partition lead to issues with Windows
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> !info adwaita-qt eoan
[13:34] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: for this user it may not make a difference after all, i should probably just held back. ;-)
[13:34] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... that was the other thing... average user probably only needs home directory... safer and easier ;-)
[13:35] <tomreyn> no, no, i would say they do want dmcrypt-luks. but the installer automation is not capable of it.
[13:36] <tomreyn> i just mean i should probably not have gone into the details, it wonn't help in the end.
[13:37] <tomreyn> file system encryption is really not a good choice if you have other options
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> true
[13:42] <tomreyn> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/fscrypt.html discusses the threat model
[14:50] <hggdh> tomreyn: it seems tail -f does not quite work with redirection
[14:50] <hggdh> (IDK why)
[14:50] <hggdh> but tail -f whatever | tee works
[14:51] <tomreyn> hggdh: oh? i wasn't aware.
[14:51] <hggdh> tomreyn: neither was I until I tried a few minutes ago :-)
[14:52] <hggdh> and it is surprising
[14:54] <hggdh> I am going to try current upstream's git head
[14:55] <tomreyn> probably some systemd side effect ;-)
[15:08] <chowder> tomreyn: another point that I'd like to make is that a lot of people coming to the ubuntu channel don't necessarily have a knowledge of IRC etiquette
[15:08] <tomreyn> chowder: so as #ubuntu cleary states on the channel topic, the channel is about *ubuntu* *support*. i pointed this out to rapha in what i felt was a kind way (after they apparently ignored the topic already)
[15:09] <tomreyn> rapha was not using ubuntu, was aksing about something unrelated.
[15:10] <chowder> I get where you're coming from but I think it could have been phrased differently. I understand that you felt you were kind but it didn't sound that way. Offtopic chatter is annoying but Ubuntu is still a Linux distro and we should, as Linux users, try to be more supportive.
[15:11] <tomreyn> chowder: i'm happy to be supportive, when things are on topic
[15:11] <chowder> This is a better way: "Hi, Rapha, welcome to the Ubuntu channel. I see that you're asking about something unrelated to Ubuntu. We're happy to help in any way that we can but we have to try and keep any discussions on-topic."
[15:12] <tomreyn> chowder: and when they aren't, i'm happy to point that out.
[15:12] <chowder> tomreyn: Have you ever worked in a position that was customer facing?
[15:13] <tomreyn> sure, but this is not commercial support, we're volunteers
[15:13] <tomreyn> do this felt impolite to you?
 rapha: then please move: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[15:20] <chowder> tomreyn: sorry, I got knocked off. You're right. That was polite and the user was probably being overly sensitive.
[15:20] <chowder> I guess I'm also overly sensitive because when I started using Linux it was a cesspool of people telling anyone interested in Linux to RTFM
[15:22] <daftykins> unfortunately you were being the other end of the spectrum, there
[15:22] <tomreyn> pointing to man pages doesn't seem wrong to me (if they aren't bad), but it should still be done after summing things up at least for less advanced users IMO.
[15:24] <chowder> I mean the "RTFM mentality". There's nothing wrong with referring someone to the man page but sometimes new users need a bit more help. Man pages are very technical for most people that only want to use a single command for one thing
[15:24] <chowder> daftykins: you're right. either extreme is no good
[15:25] <leftyfb> If a user is asking how to list permissions of a file using ls, then pointing them to the man page (instructions) on how to do so is more valuable than just giving them the answer.
[15:25] <daftykins> tell you what though, this raises a good point... over the last 15 years it's been common to link people to the communities available for different distros, but nobody has gone and checked if those are still alive and kicking - that might well be worthwhile
[15:25] <tomreyn> i do agree about !google though
[15:25] <tomreyn> !google
[15:25] <tomreyn> anyways, i'm glad we're roughly on the same page, chowder
[15:26] <daftykins> (i remember question askers sometimes bouncing back and saying so-and-so channel was empty/dead)
[15:26] <leftyfb> tomreyn: as for google, if it's a fairly simple query and the exact answer to their question is at the top of the first page, I'll give them the link to the answer and tell them the search phrase I used on google to find it
[15:26] <chowder> that's a good example of where that works, daftykins, but if user wanted to find a single term in a list of items what is more constructive telling them how to grep it or sending them to the grep man page and expecting them to learn regex?
[15:27] <chowder> Its tricky because then people get used to being spoonfed but if you don't spoonfeed anyone at all then you come off as an elitist
[15:28] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i guess that's a good approach sometimes, since it's empowering.
[15:29] <leftyfb> tomreyn: Can you come up with a time that isn't a good approach?
[15:29] <daftykins> still remember identifying a CentOS user lying about their system in order to get help
[15:30] <leftyfb> daftykins: that happens quite often
[15:30] <daftykins> "how did you know!?" - the [] around the shell prompt :D
[15:30] <leftyfb> mainly Ubuntu forks
[15:30] <leftyfb> or Debian "But Ubuntu is based on Debian!"
[15:30] <daftykins> those are the worst
[15:32] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i don't like the idea of promoting the use of the specific (web) search engine "google", i refer to "(web) search engines" rather. which also means i can't be sure which results the user will see (actually that's also true for google since results matter by geo location, user preferences).
[15:36] <leftyfb> oh look :)
[15:39] <daftykins> something happen?
[15:40] <leftyfb> an example of me typing the persons exact error message into google and it coming back with a explanation and a fix on the first result
[15:40] <leftyfb> sort of :)
[15:41] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i agree this was a good example of explaining how it helps to search the web for error messages before asking volunteer support
[15:42] <daftykins> they're usually too selfish to care :(
[15:43] <leftyfb> ok, I gotta go do real work for a bit :)
[15:46] <daftykins> sounds risky


[07:59] <dholbach> good morning!
[07:59] <olive> good morning
[07:59] <dholbach> hi olive
[07:59] <olive> hi dholbach
[08:07] <YoBoY> good morning
[08:08] <dholbach> 'lu YoBoY
[08:09] <YoBoY> bonjour dholbach, great video live yesterday :)
[08:09] <dholbach> merci beaucoup - tu as ecouté le chien? :)
[08:10] <YoBoY> oui, bien entendu, et les gros mots qui ont accompagné ta sortie :D
[08:11] <dholbach> hahahahaha
[08:11] <dholbach> oui, un ami m'a visité :)
[08:11] <YoBoY> il faut mettre une pancarte "ne pas déranger" comme pour les chambres d'hotel ;)
[08:12] <dholbach> haha, oui, bon idée :)
[08:12] <dholbach> bonne idée(?)
[08:14] <olive> oui, bonne
[08:15] <YoBoY> merci olive :p
[08:15] <dholbach> merci :)
[08:15] <Ddorda> guten morgen :P
[08:18] <YoBoY> שלום Ddorda :)
[08:18] <YoBoY> (it's correct ? xD)
[08:19] <dholbach> YoBoY, que ce veut dire?
[08:19] <Ddorda> YoBoY: indeed
[08:19] <YoBoY> normalement bonjour ...
[13:27] <kinouchou> hello
[14:43] <mhall119> morning
[14:44] <nigelb> mhall119: Good morning!
[14:44] <nigelb> Just the person I was looking for :D
[14:45] <mhall119> uh oh
[14:46] <dholbach> mhall119, RUN RUN RUN!
[14:46] <dholbach> mhall119, I'll keep him busy
[14:46] <mhall119> lol
[14:46] <dholbach> nigelb, so what about the reviewers team!
[14:46] <dholbach> nigelb, are we getting more people contributing? :)
[14:47] <dholbach> looking at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/ we might soon run out of stuff for the patch pilots to do
[14:47] <dholbach> heck, we're below 60!
[14:48] <nigelb> mhall119: heh
[14:48] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm working on stuff this weekend  :-)
[14:48] <nigelb> I want to gather more attention
[14:48] <dholbach> good!
[14:48] <dholbach> great
[14:48] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm wondering if we should start from newer patches
[14:48] <nigelb> starting from older isn't very productive, I tried and just got frustrated
[14:48] <dholbach> I don't really care which ones as long as we get them into sponsoring and get the bugs fixed and out of the way :)
[14:49] <nigelb> dholbach: aha, that works
[14:50] <nigelb> dholbach: I wonder if we can get patch pilot into the -reviews channel
[14:50] <nigelb> Would have made sense to use that channel in the first place
[14:50] <dholbach> I don't think we should ask them to join yet another channel
[14:50] <dholbach> that was one of the main hesitations
[14:50] <nigelb> ah, ok
[14:53] <mhall119> ok nigelb, I have my coffee now, what'd you need?
[14:54] <nigelb> mhall119: I want to write a web UI to something, the webui would edit a config file and then commit the changes and push the changes
[14:54] <mhall119> ok
[14:54] <nigelb> contemplating using django, but I dunno where to start :(
[14:55] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/classroom-scheduler has my 4 hours of teaching django
[14:55] <nigelb> suggestions? words of wisdom? warnings?
[14:55] <nigelb> ah, I'll dig up the logs
[14:56]  * nigelb hugs mhall119
[14:58] <mhall119> also, the django tutorial itself is pretty good
[14:58] <mhall119> http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/
[14:58] <nigelb> yeah, I'm looking at that right now
[14:58] <nigelb> this particular case was a bit confusing
[14:59] <mhall119> those two will give you an understanding of how django webapps are made
[14:59] <nigelb> Its like stepping into a different world from PHP ;)
[14:59] <mhall119> yeah, it really is
[14:59] <mhall119> a cleaner, friendlier, all around nicer world
[14:59] <nigelb> +1
[14:59] <nigelb> I so love python's whitespacing
[16:23] <nigelb> mhall119: overwhelmed :/
[16:23] <nigelb> I just want nothing facny, just read a config file over a webUI :/
[16:24] <nigelb> django is killing me right now
[16:24]  * nigelb goes googling
[16:43] <mhall119> nigelb: maybe django isn't what you need then
[16:43] <mhall119> maybe a web.py?
[16:43] <mhall119> nigelb: http://webpy.org/
[16:43] <nigelb> mhall119: the challenge is to do this and learn django at the same time
[16:44] <nigelb> oooh,/me decies to cave in to this
[16:44] <nigelb> mhall119: flask?
[16:44] <mhall119> I'm not real familiar with flask, soI can't say
[16:45]  * nigelb goes to try web.py
[23:30] <cjohnston> mhall119: there ya go
[23:36] <mhall119> where I go?
[23:37] <cjohnston> I reviewed tz
[23:37] <mhall119> thanks!
[23:38] <cjohnston> its beautiful
[23:38] <cjohnston> brought a tear to my eye
[23:38] <mhall119> maybe we can get these out on Monday
[23:38] <mhall119> lol
[23:38] <cjohnston> I want to try to get one more thing out... but I'll prolly need help
[23:38] <mhall119> what?
[23:39] <cjohnston> I still think that devs should have the same access as lc...
[23:39] <cjohnston> might be the only one
[23:39] <cjohnston> but I think we should
[23:40] <mhall119> I think that one or two of us can just be marked as Super Users in the admin
[23:40] <cjohnston> thats fine.. Will Daniel go for that?
[23:40] <mhall119> probably, but we may have to ask IS nicely
[23:41] <cjohnston> doesnt he have access to admin?
[23:41] <mhall119> I don't think so
[23:41] <cjohnston> I thought he did
[23:41] <mhall119> maybe he does
[23:41] <mhall119> we'll have to ask him
[23:42] <cjohnston> but there is no reason bug 660822 still exists.. other than you and I dont have access to get rid of it imo
[23:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 660822 in loco-directory "Duplicate venue cannot be deleted (affects: 2) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660822
[23:42] <daker> very funny


[12:31] <infoturtle> Anyone ever try to sign the CoC under Kubuntu? I don't seem to have the "Passwords and Encryption Keys" menu option
[12:31] <czajkowski> infoturtle: sorry don't run kubuntu
[12:31] <czajkowski> have you asked in the kubuntu channel
[12:32] <infoturtle> Wouldn't say too mant do
[12:32] <infoturtle> Said I'd ask the local team first
[12:33] <czajkowski> I only know of 1 person in the -ie team who uses it
[12:33] <czajkowski> and he is rarely online
[12:33] <czajkowski> sorry
[12:33] <czajkowski> .c
[12:34] <infoturtle> yar tis fine, just trying to get most of the basic things done today for my launchpad account, I'm sure I'll find a way to sort it
[12:35] <czajkowski> infoturtle: join #ubuntu-locoteams for a momen
[12:35] <czajkowski> *moment
[12:43] <czajkowski> infoturtle: ?
[12:44] <infoturtle> sorry, writing back to milklabs about UBJ, joining now
[13:04] <ebel> I think you can do the gpg signing on command line
[13:06] <infoturtle> cheers ebel, I got pointed to kpgp and just reading the --help about it now
[13:06] <ebel> cool
[14:56] <tdr112> i did it via the command line
[15:12] <czajkowski> tdr112: good so how goes your application eh :)
[15:59] <czajkowski> tdr112: you can't ignore me for ever :)
[18:29] <tdr112> czajkowski: must get back to that


[09:57] <phil42> i  notice a serious performance regression after switching to lubuntu 16.04 from 14.04.    my system was running near maximum load before and cannot perform at that level now
[15:18] <manjo> rtg, I would like to talk to you about the email I sent you last week ... I read your reply but I have a few questions
[15:18] <rtg> manjo, you'll have to remind me of the topic
[15:19] <manjo> rtg, this was about 4.5 tags in yakkety
[15:19] <rtg> manjo, otp
[15:19] <manjo> rtg, ack .. can you please ping me back ?
[15:21] <rtg> manjo, ok, I'm back.
[15:25] <manjo> rtg, would you be able to do a hangout or call ?
[16:56] <manjo> rtg, apw, I was asked a question about  PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY (desktop) vs PREEMPT_NONE (server).. our default is for desktop ... since we don't have any arm64 desktops (yet) can we use PREEMPT_NONE for arm64 ?
[16:57] <manjo> rtg, apw in yakkety
[16:58] <rtg> manjo, ask dannf what he thinks. I've no problem with that.
[17:00] <manjo> rtg, ack will check with dannf if he has any objections ...
[17:00] <manjo> rtg, should I open a bug to make that config change and assign to you or apw ?
[17:00] <rtg> manjo, yup
[17:00] <manjo> ack
[17:00] <rtg> manjo, milestone it for 16.10
[17:01] <manjo> yes will do
[20:18] <sts> hello folks. Can anyone point me to the apparmor patches ubuntu includes in its kernel (eg. for mount mediation?)
[20:20] <tyhicks> sts: the individual patches can be found here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jj/ubuntu-xenial.git/log/?h=xenial-3.5-beta1-presquash-snapshot
[20:26] <sts> tyhicks: those are only ubuntu patches, which are not upstream yet?
[20:28] <tyhicks> sts: correct
[20:28] <tyhicks> sts: they've been authored by apparmor upstream but not yet upstreamed
[20:28] <tyhicks> sts: I believe that opensuse has taken some (soon to be all?) of them, as well
[20:28] <sts> wow
[20:29] <sts> just trying to find out which patches would need to be ported to debian, to get lx*/apparmor to ubuntus level.
[20:30] <tyhicks> I think it'll be difficult to identify specific patches
[20:33] <sts> looks like - its a lot.
[20:34] <sts> the worst thing to fix thos, seems to be apparmor mount mediation support.


[00:17] <munz> :P
[00:58] <bluebomber> Heh
[00:58] <bluebomber> lol@munz & xenithorb
[02:33] <dorgan> how would i go about installing xfce?
[02:56] <dorgan> anyone in here using xubuntu??
[02:57] <dorgan> How do I change the theme
[03:09] <bluebomber> Hi, dorgan.
[03:09] <dorgan> hello
[03:09] <bluebomber> I have installed and used Xubuntu before, but I'm not using it currently.
[03:11] <bluebomber> I can't help, but the folks over in #xubuntu probably can.
[06:12] <zus> ?join #freenode
[06:30] <munz>  ,-O,  Ubuntu Linux
[06:30] <munz> O    ; http://www.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <munz>  `-O'  Linux for Human Beings
[06:31] <munz>
[06:31] <munz> lol
[06:33] <munz>        __  db               db                          db
[06:33] <munz>     ,.`OOO.TP               ZZ                          ZZ
[06:33] <munz>    dOb "  `OOb     db   db  ZZ,zz.   db   db   ,zzz.   zZZz   db   db
[06:33] <munz>    `O',OoOP`"'      `"""'    `"""'    `"""'   `"   "'   `""'   `"""'
[06:33] <munz>       "*#* db
[06:33] <munz>            TP


[12:21]  * gmb -> lunch
[13:29] <gary_poster> benji danilos gmb, hi!  skype in 2?
[13:29] <danilos> gary_poster, hi there, ack
[13:29] <gmb> Yep
[13:29] <gary_poster> cool
[13:31] <gary_poster> benji, you online?
[13:31] <benji> gary_poster: yep
[13:51] <gary_poster> benji, approved
[13:51] <gary_poster> bye y'all
[13:51] <benji> thanks and bye
[16:34] <bac> hi gmb, benji
[16:34] <gmb> Hi bac
[16:34] <benji> hey!  how's it going?
[16:35] <bac> gmb: i'm giving my talk tomorrow.  is there anything substantial that has changed in the last week wrt subscription work?
[16:35] <gmb> bac: Not AFAIK.
[16:35] <bac> benji: pretty good.  lots of nerds here!
[16:35] <gmb> It's been all fixin.
[16:35] <bac> gmb: cool
[16:36] <bac> gmb: so does 'unsubscribe in anger' actually work?  i've never used it before
[16:37] <gmb> bac: Er. Neither have I :). I believe there are some little weirdnesses (like you get told that you "don't have permission" to change team subscriptions when you're not a team admin).
[16:37] <gmb> Other than that, though it works, AIUI. I think danilos might know better than I since ISTR he did the lion's share of the work on it.
[16:37] <gmb> I just mocked it up.
[16:37] <bac> gmb: hmm, ok.  but it is on production?  guess i should make a structural subscription and see what the email looks like
[16:37] <bac> gmb: ok, i'll ask him tomorrow
[16:38] <gmb> bac: It is: c.f. http://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscriptions
[16:38] <gmb> Ah
[16:38] <gmb> ISWYM.
[16:38] <gmb> The email bit I don't know about.
[16:38] <gmb> Gmail hides a lot of things from me. Let me see...
[16:39] <bac> gmb so the UIA part is really just +subscriptions?
[16:39] <bac> i thought there was a different page
[16:39] <gmb> bac: I'm getting confused with https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/779538/+subscriptions
[16:39] <_mup_> Bug #779538: Link from superseded blueprint to its successor disappears when you click it <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/779538 >
[16:39] <gmb> (For example)
[16:39] <gmb> Which is a different page altogether and *does* fit the UIA story.
[16:39] <gmb> But I see no link thereto in any of today's bugmail.
[16:40] <gmb> So it seems like it's only partially live, which is odd.
[16:40]  * bac looks
[16:40] <bac> hmm
[16:42] <danilos> bac, the link is not added to the email
[16:43] <danilos> bac, I am pretty sure gary wanted to add it only when it's available to everybody
[16:43] <gmb> Ah, of course.
[16:43] <danilos> bac, (iow, when we are out of the beta)
[16:43] <gmb> Because trying to feature-flag that would be a nightmare, I suspect.
[16:43] <bac> ok, thanks danilos
[16:43] <danilos> bac, gmb: "Edit bug mail" is a link to get to that page basically
[16:43] <bac> right
[16:43] <gmb> yep
[16:43] <danilos> np
[16:46] <bac> gmb: did you get email from me about the UDS session?  i sent it to yellow but don't see it in the archvies
[16:46]  * gmb checks
[16:47] <bac> it may have been from the wrong email address and got silently dropped...
[16:47] <gmb> bac: I got it.
[16:47] <gmb> Tomorrow at 14:15 UTC, right?
[16:59] <bac> gmb: yes
[17:00] <gmb> bac: I'll try to participate, providing my OCR duties don't conflict.
[17:02] <bac> gmb: there is audio but only one way.  otherwise you can join #ubuntu-uds-petofi (the physical room name)
[17:02] <gmb> Ok