[08:07] <awilkins> OK....... T460s or Carbon X1   ?
[08:10] <awilkins> ANd : Oh, this isn't sinister and evil AT ALL : http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500278518/New-UK-law-will-criminalise-failure-to-hack-on-demand
[08:12] <diddledan> awilkins, eek
[08:12] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzpW10DPHeQ <-- the 5th computer-vs-human game of GO is nearing the finish line
[08:13] <awilkins> Speaking as someone who wants to make an electronic health records system potentially so secure that only the patient can access it, that makes me want to move to Sweden.
[08:13] <awilkins> The hacking thing, not AlphaGo
[08:13] <awilkins> That makes me want to move to the Culture
[08:13] <diddledan> awilkins, yeah the IP bill seems a lot worse than everyone feared it would it
[08:13] <diddledan> be*
[08:13] <awilkins> Teach a deep learning computer to govern the world in peace and prosperity next, Google.
[08:15] <awilkins> The vagueness in the IPB is being filled out with the sinister that was previously being kept behind the curtain
[08:16] <diddledan> it's already illegal to not incriminate yourself by witholding your own encryption keys
[08:46] <diplo> Very scary stuff awilkins, I don't want to live here anymore :/
[08:48] <Myrtti> diplo: newsflash: not many places are any better
[08:49] <Oli> Iceland looks tempting.
[08:49] <diplo> Oh I know that!
[08:49] <diplo> I was aabout to say that Oli :)
[08:49] <awilkins> Hence the Culture...
[08:49] <awilkins> I think Banks said once it started as a bunch of orbital settlements that wanted to break away from their tyrannical planet-based masters....
[08:49] <diplo> But the IPBill is going way way way way further than most other places
[08:50] <Myrtti> I long dreamed that we'd move to Finland once kids are old enough to start school. Looks like the most tempting reason for moving there, education, is being fed to the wolves. There goes that dream then
[08:51] <diplo> I'd like to live there too... but with my kids it's never going to happen
[08:52] <awilkins> Myrtti, Whaat, I heard all these good things about how awesome Finland's education system was
[08:52] <awilkins> I presume it costs money or something and the rich people can't be having that?
[08:53] <awilkins> Funny how as GDP goes up, we need more and more cuts to pay for tax breaks for those in the upper strata of society.
[08:53] <Myrtti> awilkins: well yes, the rightwing government is making cuts that undermime the quality of university studies, and even if that's an issue to my kids in 20 years, it affects the students studying to be teachers sooner
[08:54] <Oli> The main thing about the UK at the moment is if we're so broke that we're privatising the NHS, withdrawing welfare from people with spare rooms, making severely disabled people prove they're still severely disabled every 6 months... Why aren't we just paying a bit more tax? I can't be the only person who'd happily pay an extra 5%-10% now if that meant there'd still be a hospital when I need...
[08:54] <Oli> ...it in 20 years time.
[08:54] <awilkins> Oli, Because that's literally the aim of the incumbent government - they want private to be the only option in 20 years time
[08:54] <Myrtti> Oli: BUUUUUUTTT tories
[08:55] <Myrtti> because USA health care works so well
[08:55] <Oli> Well. I wish they wouldn't.
[08:55] <awilkins> Latest budget cut : £1.2B from 600,000 disabled people.
[08:55] <awilkins> To pay for a hike in the higher rate tax band
[08:55] <diddledan> USA has universal healthcare for gunshot wounds
[08:55] <awilkins> £2,000 from each disabled person so that the 17% with the highest incomes in this country can get an extra £200 a year
[08:55] <Oli> Why don't we just incinerate all the disabled people then? Surely that's where they're going with this.
[08:56] <awilkins> Speaking as someone who's usually in that income bracket, that disgusts me.
[08:56] <diddledan> Oli, what a good idea. you should tell your tory MP about that
[08:56] <diplo> I look away for 2 minutes and I've lost the convo :D
[08:57] <diddledan> diplo, it's right here ^^^^
[08:57] <awilkins> Pertinent documentary footage : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg
[08:57] <diplo> I'm slow at reading today :) full of man flu :D
[08:57] <Oli> diddledan: I'm from Norfolk, so I don't have to look far for a Tory MP. He's probably on a benefit cheat hunt right now. They're only allowed to use the dogs for scenting though.
[08:59] <awilkins> I'm in a ward that the Tory got into by 700 votes
[09:00] <awilkins> I'm ashamed to say I voted for one of the left-wing protest parties because I thought it was a safe Labour seat, but I think the 'kippers swung it for the Tories around here
[09:00] <Oli> UKIP did that for a lot of places.
[09:00] <awilkins> I get the feeling my Mother in law is a kipper
[09:00] <diddledan> I've got Maria Miller as my MP IIRC
[09:01] <awilkins> Whenever we discuss the health service, her go-to is that immigrants are wrecking it
[09:01] <diddledan> gah
[09:01] <awilkins> (or : keeping it running, 26% of doctors are immigrants...)
[09:01] <Oli> Immigrants ARE the health service. Indeed.
[09:02] <Oli> When you make it cost £50k to become a doctor here, don't be surprised when you have to start shipping them in.
[09:02] <diddledan> BREAKING NEWS: lee sedol resigned
[09:02] <Oli> And start making trainee nurses pay tuition AND work for nothing.
[09:02] <diddledan> 4-1 to the terminators
[09:03] <awilkins> That nurses one is a doozy
[09:03] <awilkins> I knew a lot of student nurses when I was a student doc
[09:04] <awilkins> Their training is basically "work as a nurse only ask questions when you don't know something"
[09:04] <diddledan> the NHS staff are the best people that are treated like the worst
[09:04] <awilkins> In other words, it's an apprenticeship. And they're not even paying them like apprentices.
[09:04] <Myrtti> I love NHS. NHS is great.
[09:04] <diddledan> ditto, Myrtti
[09:05] <Myrtti> http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/23/finland-health-system-failing-welfare-state-high-taxes
[09:05] <diddledan> everyone I've met in the NHS have been nothing but awesome to me, even when I have done silly things to myself through being a nutter
[09:06] <awilkins> Spending on health improves the economy, by what, 2.5x what you spent on it?
[09:07] <Oli> Nah, spend more money on intercepting naked snapchats.
[09:07] <diddledan> yey winkypic
[09:07] <awilkins> Myrtti, That Finland thing, they spend 7% of GDP compared to the UK at 8%?  The UK spending *peaked* at 8.8% in 2009... it's been going downhill since then, predicted 7.2% this year.
[09:08] <awilkins> I don't know what kind of private/public mix Finland has but 7% is way too low even for an entirely public service.
[09:08] <diddledan> awilkins, because "Labour misspending"!
[09:09] <awilkins> diddledan, The economy is recovering - it's in growth... and the GDP we spend on the NHS can't even remain static....
[09:09] <awilkins> Recovery for the rich, penury for the rest of us.
[09:09] <Oli> Love the top comment though. "Terrible picture you painted. A country where only one out of the three is failing."
[09:09] <Myrtti> awilkins: but UK has the benefit of numbers on it's side, and distances aren't great. They're centralising *everything* healthcare in there and it's just getting worse
[09:09] <diddledan> awilkins, but. but. austerity!
[09:10] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:10] <bashrc> good tzag
[09:10] <diddledan> we need to stop spending money on social things because they prevent a decent war-fund
[09:11] <bashrc> funny how they have no problem finding money for war or mass surveillance
[09:11] <diddledan> of course the more wars we can start the better!
[09:12] <Myrtti> I should go change my clothes and get some brekkie, today is "receive all the parcels day" and it'd be nice to greet the postie in something else than a nightshirt
[09:12] <bashrc> and those nuclear submarines, even though the cold war ended however many decades ago
[09:12] <diddledan> bashrc, you shouldn't worry about mass surveillance if you aren't doing norty things
[09:12] <Myrtti> bashrc: buuut nukes get rid of al'qaida!
[09:12] <Myrtti> fer realz
[09:13] <diddledan> Myrtti, TOYS!
[09:13] <diddledan> parcels = fun shiny
[09:13] <Myrtti> diddledan: mostly stuff for the car that I have no joy over :-|
[09:13] <diddledan> bah
[09:14] <Myrtti> https://www.anker.com/products/A3351011 one of the things
[09:15] <Oli> That's nice and cheap. Hmm. Tempting.
[09:15] <Myrtti> yeah, it's better than the HTC bobble that we have now
[09:15] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluedio-Shooting-Bluetooth-headphones-wireless/dp/B00Q2VIW9M/ and this, which I will enjoy
[09:16] <Myrtti> not using it but enjoying the naps I can have on the sofa while dsample is watching something dismally bad and noisy on the telly
[09:18] <Myrtti> last weekend I fell asleep watching tinykittens livestream. Woke up fifteen minutes later when he had put Continuum or something on and it was LOUD and BANGY
[09:24] <awilkins> I've get_iplayered all the episodes of Meet the Kittens from the BBC when I need something cute
[09:30] <Myrtti> http://livestream.com/tinykittens/savina
[09:31] <Oli> Blimey, they are tiny.
[09:32] <Myrtti> there were four but one failed to thrive and had to be helped over the rainbow bridge :-(
[09:32] <Oli> :(
[09:32] <Oli> What's the best channel for naughty kittens these days?
[09:34] <Oli> http://livestream.com/accounts/3326724/Tribeca looks like it might be chaos when they're not all asleep.
[09:49] <awilkins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/watch/kittens-get-new-homes
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy True Confessions Day! 😃
[09:51] <Oli> Ermagerhd
[09:56] <bigcalm> Damn this flash requirement
[09:57] <diddledan> JamesTait, lies!
[09:57]  * diddledan awaits davmor2
[09:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:57] <diddledan> allo o/
[09:59] <davmor2> diddledan, JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhuyJKz395k easy
[10:01] <davmor2> and Morning all
[10:02] <davmor2> diddledan: also Morning head song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t99KH0TR-J4 JamesTait you'll appreciate that one too
[10:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, 👍 nice!
[10:45] <ujjain> Can somebody fix any English mistakes in this phrase? >> "My little brother (22) would love to do his internship in Finance or Accounting abroad. The United States (J-1 Visa) and London would either be great! Can anybody give us some tips?"
[10:46] <ujjain> looks more or less fine English right?
[10:47] <diplo> Yep, although maybe "London, either of these locations would be great" ?
[10:48] <popey> "My 22 year-old little brother"
[10:49] <ujjain> My 22 year-old little brother would love to do his internship in Finance or Accounting abroad. The United States (J-1 Visa) and London, either of these locations would be great! Can anybody give us some tips?
[10:49] <ujjain> "and London" or "or London"?
[10:49] <diplo> or london I'd say
[10:49] <ujjain> thanks a lot
[10:49] <diplo> Otherwise you're saying that he'd like to do it both
[10:51] <ujjain> ah right, makes sense.
[10:51] <ujjain> I work with too many Polish people and I'm not an English native. Sometimes I feel my English isn't really improving.
[10:52] <ujjain> But thanks a lot diplo and popey! :)
[10:54] <popey> To be fair there was nothing wrong with your phrase
[10:54] <popey> We were just nit-picking
[10:55] <diplo> Yep, totally understandable :)
[11:06] <ujjain> hihi, thanks! I heard my native English colleague use the words loft and pedestal. I silently looked up the words in the dictionary online.
[11:17] <bigcalm> :D
[11:18] <bigcalm> Loft is more of an Americanism, I'd say. British English would more likely use attic
[11:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: Some people use the word Loft as a living space in and attic and the word attic is reserved for storage space in the roof instead :)
[11:28] <bigcalm> Hummm, okay
[11:28] <bigcalm> I can only speak from experience
[11:28] <popey> Now you've said both words, i can't remember which one I use.
[11:28] <bigcalm> One can still have lofty aspirations
[11:29] <bigcalm> popey: there's a poll that's missing your input :)
[11:29] <Seeker`> I use "Loft"
[11:32] <popey> I know
[11:32] <bigcalm> I wonder if a) the Watercress Line has a lost property, and b) how long they keep things if they do
[11:32] <bigcalm> It would be nice to get my glasses back that I left on the train last year
[11:32] <popey> I think you kinda needed to ask them last year
[11:33] <popey> daviey got his phone back the next day
[11:33] <bigcalm> Lucky him
[11:33] <bigcalm> I'm too apathetic for my own good. I used it as an excuse to get a new pair of specs :D
[11:38] <bashrc> question: in 16.04 will old kernel versions get cleared out automatically?
[11:53] <davmor2> bashrc: they did in wily iirc
[11:54] <davmor2> bashrc: and if not they are marked for autoremove so you can just run && sudo apt autoremove and they are gone
[12:17] <bashrc> oh that's good. I asked elsewhere and apparently you can also use bleachbit
[13:49] <ujjain> is there something to do this thursay with st patricksday in london? or the party of sunday was it?
[14:09] <awilkins> Watching the IPB debate. Someone just pulled a "think of the children".
[14:10] <MooDoo> ipb?
[14:10] <MooDoo> ignore that
[14:11] <brobostigon> investigatory powers bil.
[14:11] <MooDoo> yeah just realised
[14:12] <brobostigon> its a waste anyway, as a good proportion of the traffic on the internet is encrypted anyway, and there is nothing they can do to read anyway.
[14:13] <brobostigon> and techniclly, there is nothing they can do,
[14:14] <MooDoo> until the ISP's are required to put back doors in
[14:15] <awilkins> Or the CAs are required to cede their private keys
[14:15] <awilkins> Or the NSA infiltrates a SIM manufacturer covering 1/3rd of SIM cards ... ooops
[14:16] <brobostigon> or they find a more efficienct and quicker way to break rsa/ecc etc.
[14:18] <brobostigon> this is why i think hw like the yubikey is interesting, you can store your private keys on them, and they cant be bruteforced off,
[20:23] <foobarry> wow ubuntu mate is starting to look a lot like elementary
[20:42] <daftykins> how-so?
[20:43] <ali1234> the default layout has a dock?
[20:43] <ali1234> actually i'm not even sure if that's true
[20:48] <daftykins> i thought it was still the gnome 2 looking one
[20:55] <foobarry> client side decoration, dock, etc
[20:55] <foobarry> gtk header bars
[20:56] <foobarry> even using plank https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/aibudHBGxqT
[20:57] <foobarry> in fact the screenshot looks very similar to my elementary. except for the hot corners, shadows, and i don't know how slick the multiple desktops are in mate
[20:57] <foobarry> oh, shadows are in the screenshot, plus compositing
[21:26] <diddledan> when did "the fappening" get renamed to "celebgate"? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35817814
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> when the bbc didn't want to run a sidebar explaining fap?
[21:28]  * daftykins chuckles
[21:29] <daftykins> diddledan: that surface continues to perplex, i've got to get on the support line to Microsoft soon ¬_¬
[21:29] <diddledan> gah
[21:29] <diddledan> sucky nuts
[21:29] <daftykins> the thing did 24hrs barely dropping 5% battery, asleep, then the next morning i found it dead
[21:29] <diddledan> o_O
[21:29] <daftykins> client says it'll be flat whenever she reaches to use it
[21:29] <diddledan> that's backasswards
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> calling ms for support... haven't done that since win 95...
[21:29] <daftykins> :D i've never done it for an OS
[21:29] <diddledan> I didn't know MS had a support line
[21:30] <daftykins> i got a # from the US # that's on a reddit page
[21:30] <daftykins> so you know, direct as usual
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> i did it for qbx, vb and dos and windows
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> the amount of times they lied to me...
[21:30] <daftykins> *gasp*
[21:30] <daftykins> they wouldn't!?
[21:31] <diddledan> MS <3 Linux
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite was in days of windows 3.1. we were running excel in windows in enhanced mode on 286 ps/2 with intel above board that added 4mb of expanded memory (to a 286) and running novell on same computer as headless server
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> excel kept reporting out of memory so i ended up ringing ms after trying many many things
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> and when i told them the configuration of a 286 with expanded memory not extended memory their response was 'no it isn't'
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> couldn't get them to acknowledge the computers existence so got nowhere
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> in the end it was the video driver colour depth causing the error
[21:35] <daftykins> it was too low?
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> too high.
[21:35] <daftykins> they had colours back then!?
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> it was trying to do 256 colours but when i pushed it back to 16 colours it was ok
[21:36] <daftykins> woohoo :>
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> with qbx they also lied to me that their was a problem with their compiler handling com ports.  found out 10 years later there was a patch that fixed the bug when i called them
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> not THAT annoyed me
[21:37] <daftykins> i'm impressed you remembered after 10 years!
[21:38] <zmoylan-pi> i will revenge!! :-D
[21:39] <zmoylan-pi> so i use every opportunity to encourage people NOT to buy/use ms even if i have to provide free support to do so
[21:41] <daftykins> i'm dealing with an amusing one where a client is playing 'find the license key' at the moment
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> i love how they put them on bottom of laptops were they wear off when you go looking...
[21:42] <daftykins> actually they have been in the EFI for years now
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> qr7 something something something... :-)
[21:42] <daftykins> but mmm, those older gen ones being visible to others is crazy
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> and the O/0 B/8 been identical in the font used...
[21:44] <daftykins> this is for Office though, no problems with Windows these days ;)
[21:44] <daftykins> in fact 10 installs are so quick i'm not making as much money!
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> played with my first w10 system last week.  trying to decouple the user account from the email.  the user wants to enter his password when email is launched.  w10 really doesn't want to do that
[21:49] <daftykins> that sounds like it'd require that user to be using the built in rubbish
[21:49] <daftykins> and also sounds like the user account is a 'microsoft account' not a local one, most are getting tricked into that
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> man w10 is slow.  on 8.1 this lenovo was really quite fast but since the upgrade it crawls
[21:50] <diddledan> you should try vista
[21:50] <daftykins> 10 is faster than both 8.x and 7, so it needs a clean run
[21:50] <daftykins> upgrades never work, you worked in IT you should know that :D
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> it happened when he upgrade from w7 laptop to win8 and i decoupled it.  you can set up local account but then you have to migrate all the data from old account to the new one
[21:51] <daftykins> yip
[21:52] <daftykins> i wonder if a move of %appdata% cheats it :D probably not
[21:52] <zmoylan-pi> w10 kinda allows it but the new apps seem designed for dummies who always want to be logged in
[21:52] <daftykins> *nod* if you log into a single app you have to be careful not to hit the 'convert to MS account' and go for 'sign into this app only'
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> first time i had this migration silliness it wouldn't even allow me to copy files from one account to another as the ownership cocked up.  in end i copied files to ipod classic which stripped the rights of file :-)
[21:54] <daftykins> you Loonix folk sure do get into funny fights in Windows land
[21:54] <daftykins> certainly never get permissions woes in Loonix land
[21:54]  * daftykins whistles
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> which is why any time i go near a windows computer there's a hammer nearby... :-)
[21:55] <daftykins> so good upgrading my uncles machines to SSDs and 8GB RAM from 4GB, it's making a huge difference
[21:55] <daftykins> factory installs on slow mechanical disks, blech
[21:56]  * zmoylan-pi banishes daftykins to install win95 from floppies for punishment....
[21:56] <daftykins> hey i did some early office from 25 floppies many a time
[21:56] <daftykins> one had to have the eject button held in ever so slightly to be read
[21:56] <zmoylan-pi> i did that twice.  and thus learned to make cd roms work _everywhere_ so i never had to do it again
[21:56] <daftykins> :D
[21:57] <daftykins> seem to recall, with my lesser experience of the time, that 98 was the first to do direct CD boot?
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> in some cases using dos peer to peer networks to share a parallel cd drive to a laptop that had a lpt port that wouldn't work


[02:10] <oskar_> During commisionning, are the nodes supposed to be in maas DNS? Is the controller supposed to be in maas dns under anything other than .maas (or whatever the domain name is)?
[12:43] <jam> ping for anyone that can help me understand why I'm seeing 2 records for /MAAS/api/1.0/nodes/{system_id}/interfaces/{interface_id}
[12:45] <jam> I had a script that used to work calling "maas m1 node-interface link-subnet"
[12:45] <jam> but now I get "only read/update/delete" exists
[12:45] <jam> and if I dump the json from the maascli.db it lists 3 entries for the above path
[13:10] <roaksoax> jam: ping blake_r  in about 1 hour
[13:16] <jam> thanks roaksoax
[14:19] <blake_r> jam: try "maas refresh"
[14:48] <jam> blake_r: I did, i even deleted the ~/.maascli.db and did another login
[14:48] <jam> this is a 1.9 maas that was upgraded recently
[14:48] <blake_r> jam: ah try this "maas m1 interface link-subnet"
[14:50] <jam> blake_r: thanks. Is there a way to figure out how the API gets mapped to the CLI?
[14:50] <jam> I don't see it in the API description
[14:50] <blake_r> jam: not really a way
[14:51] <jam> blake_r: how does the CLI figure it out?
[14:51] <blake_r> jam: it does using the API the doc endpoint
[14:51] <blake_r> jam: but for a user I don't know if that is exposed
[14:52] <jam> well, I can read the content of the maascli.db file, I just don't see how that data would do the mapping
[14:53] <jam> I thought it was introspecting "path" or something like that, which was when I noticed it had the same path multiple times
[14:54] <jam> blake_r: anyway, thanks for helping me find the new name, not sure how I would have figured that one out.
[15:13] <mup> Bug # changed: 1306178, 1319966, 1331048, 1368122, 1373507, 1379934, 1381000, 1382262, 1384333, 1389007, 1390404, 1391519, 1396663, 1412721, 1413388, 1423626, 1436279, 1437059, 1438291, 1439476, 1440102, 1445430, 1445942, 1445945, 1447230, 1459666, 1459710, 1459762, 1459865, 1460193, 1461135,
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[15:13] <mup> 1486003, 1486505, 1486926, 1487114, 1487135, 1488106, 1489160, 1489529, 1490637, 1490709, 1490711, 1490962, 1491822, 1491898, 1491924, 1493137, 1494439, 1494465, 1494472, 1495064, 1495775, 1495849, 1495889, 1496097, 1496401, 1496562, 1496961, 1498018, 1498659, 1498851, 1499044, 1499062, 1499378,
[15:13] <mup> 1499428, 1499513, 1499533, 1499749, 1499898, 1501400, 1501404, 1501613, 1501753, 1501785, 1501982, 1502259, 1502360, 1502435, 1502839, 1503467, 1503468, 1503472, 1503473, 1503474, 1503475, 1503479, 1503488, 1503529, 1503533, 1503534, 1503536, 1503538, 1503925, 1504268, 1504340, 1504861, 1504956,
[15:13] <mup> 1505030, 1505031, 1505032, 1505386, 1506053, 1506247, 1506909, 1506991, 1507359, 1507586, 1507745, 1508056, 1508059, 1508072, 1508076, 1508487, 1508499, 1508508, 1509077, 1509405, 1509417, 1509473, 1509476, 1509535, 1509536, 1510106, 1510109, 1510118, 1510120, 1510121, 1510153, 1510210, 1510224,
[15:13] <mup> 1510447, 1510455, 1510457, 1510466, 1510467, 1510468, 1510469, 1510471, 1510472, 1510474, 1510482, 1510486, 1510488, 1510499, 1510629, 1510917, 1511071, 1511174,
[15:13] <mup> 1511257, 1511437, 1511493, 1511690, 1512109, 1512959, 1513085, 1513095, 1513111, 1514486, 1514883, 1515380, 1515671, 1515769, 1516065, 1519396, 1519397, 1524091
[15:14] <rbasak> Thanks mup!
[15:16] <mup> Bug # opened: 1306178, 1319966, 1331048, 1368122, 1373507, 1379934, 1381000, 1382262, 1384333, 1389007, 1390404, 1391519, 1396663, 1412721, 1413388, 1423626, 1436279, 1437059, 1438291, 1439476, 1440102, 1445430, 1445942, 1445945, 1447230, 1459666, 1459710, 1459762, 1459865, 1460193, 1461135,
[15:16] <mup> 1461236, 1464720, 1465305, 1465722, 1465726, 1465737, 1465740, 1465742, 1467120, 1467673, 1468023, 1469305, 1469822, 1470276, 1470389, 1470395, 1470585, 1470591, 1471946, 1472707, 1473167, 1475445, 1476719, 1477602, 1481940, 1482737, 1482857, 1482858, 1482859, 1483273, 1484696, 1485584, 1485677,
[15:16] <mup> 1486003, 1486505, 1486926, 1487114, 1487135, 1488106, 1489160, 1489529, 1490637, 1490709, 1490711, 1490962, 1491822, 1491898, 1491924, 1493137, 1494439, 1494465, 1494472, 1495064, 1495775, 1495849, 1495889, 1496097, 1496401, 1496562, 1496961, 1498018, 1498659, 1498851, 1499044, 1499062, 1499378,
[15:16] <mup> 1499428, 1499513, 1499533, 1499749, 1499898, 1501400, 1501404, 1501613, 1501753, 1501785, 1501982, 1502259, 1502360, 1502435, 1502839, 1503467, 1503468, 1503472, 1503473, 1503474, 1503475, 1503479, 1503488, 1503529, 1503533, 1503534, 1503536, 1503538, 1503925, 1504268, 1504340, 1504861, 1504956,
[15:16] <mup> 1505030, 1505031, 1505032, 1505386, 1506053, 1506247, 1506909, 1506991, 1507359, 1507586, 1507745, 1508056, 1508059, 1508072, 1508076, 1508487, 1508499, 1508508, 1509077, 1509405, 1509417, 1509473, 1509476, 1509535, 1509536, 1510106, 1510109, 1510118, 1510120, 1510121, 1510153, 1510210, 1510224,
[15:16] <mup> 1510447, 1510455, 1510457, 1510466, 1510467, 1510468, 1510469, 1510471, 1510472, 1510474, 1510482, 1510486, 1510488, 1510499, 1510629, 1510917, 1511071, 1511174,
[15:16] <mup> 1511257, 1511437, 1511493, 1511690, 1512109, 1512959, 1513085, 1513095, 1513111, 1514486, 1514883, 1515380, 1515671, 1515769, 1516065, 1519396, 1519397, 1524091
[15:22] <mup> Bug # changed: 1306178, 1319966, 1331048, 1368122, 1373507, 1379934, 1381000, 1382262, 1384333, 1389007, 1390404, 1391519, 1396663, 1412721, 1413388, 1423626, 1436279, 1437059, 1438291, 1439476, 1440102, 1445430, 1445942, 1445945, 1447230, 1459666, 1459710, 1459762, 1459865, 1460193, 1461135,
[15:22] <mup> 1461236, 1464720, 1465305, 1465722, 1465726, 1465737, 1465740, 1465742, 1467120, 1467673, 1468023, 1469305, 1469822, 1470276, 1470389, 1470395, 1470585, 1470591, 1471946, 1472707, 1473167, 1475445, 1476719, 1477602, 1481940, 1482737, 1482857, 1482858, 1482859, 1483273, 1484696, 1485584, 1485677,
[15:22] <mup> 1486003, 1486505, 1486926, 1487114, 1487135, 1488106, 1489160, 1489529, 1490637, 1490709, 1490711, 1490962, 1491822, 1491898, 1491924, 1493137, 1494439, 1494465, 1494472, 1495064, 1495775, 1495849, 1495889, 1496097, 1496401, 1496562, 1496961, 1498018, 1498659, 1498851, 1499044, 1499062, 1499378,
[15:22] <mup> 1499428, 1499513, 1499533, 1499749, 1499898, 1501400, 1501404, 1501613, 1501753, 1501785, 1501982, 1502259, 1502360, 1502435, 1502839, 1503467, 1503468, 1503472, 1503473, 1503474, 1503475, 1503479, 1503488, 1503529, 1503533, 1503534, 1503536, 1503538, 1503925, 1504268, 1504340, 1504861, 1504956,
[15:22] <mup> 1505030, 1505031, 1505032, 1505386, 1506053, 1506247, 1506909, 1506991, 1507359, 1507586, 1507745, 1508056, 1508059, 1508072, 1508076, 1508487, 1508499, 1508508, 1509077, 1509405, 1509417, 1509473, 1509476, 1509535, 1509536, 1510106, 1510109, 1510118, 1510120, 1510121, 1510153, 1510210, 1510224,
[15:22] <mup> 1510447, 1510455, 1510457, 1510466, 1510467, 1510468, 1510469, 1510471, 1510472, 1510474, 1510482, 1510486, 1510488, 1510499, 1510629, 1510917, 1511071, 1511174,
[15:22] <mup> 1511257, 1511437, 1511493, 1511690, 1512109, 1512959, 1513085, 1513095, 1513111, 1514486, 1514883, 1515380, 1515671, 1515769, 1516065, 1519396, 1519397, 1524091
[16:23] <oskar_> Will trade soul for a push in the right direction. http://askubuntu.com/questions/716518/maas-failing-commissioning-ubuntu-14-04-maas-1-8-3
[17:16] <bleepbloop> Hey everyone, quick question, I have a few nodes that used to work with maas, however some update (seemingly to the boot images) I now get this error on 3 of my machines: http://pastebin.com/Bpj2x6N6 None of their configuration was changed.
[17:19] <mup> Bug #1531215 opened: Failed creating DB in a fresh 1.9.0 install <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531215>
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1492465 changed: "Ram" is not capitalized on node details view <easy> <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492465>
[17:43] <mup> Bug #1508513 changed: [Storage] Table column alignment in used disks <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Fix Released by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508513>
[17:46] <mup> Bug #1492465 opened: "Ram" is not capitalized on node details view <easy> <ui> <MAAS:Fix Released by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492465>
[17:46] <mup> Bug #1508513 opened: [Storage] Table column alignment in used disks <ui> <ux> <MAAS:Fix Released by ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508513>
[17:49] <mup> Bug # changed: 1492465, 1508513, 1509164, 1510116, 1510458, 1513271, 1513391, 1514862
[17:58] <mup> Bug # opened: 1509164, 1510116, 1510458, 1513271, 1513391, 1514862
[18:01] <mup> Bug # changed: 1509164, 1510116, 1510458, 1513271, 1513391, 1514862
[18:04] <mup> Bug # opened: 1509164, 1510116, 1510458, 1513271, 1513391, 1514862
[18:13] <mup> Bug # changed: 1509164, 1510116, 1510458, 1513271, 1513391, 1514862
[20:46] <mup> Bug #1531272 opened: 1.9 rc4: servers stuck in deploying - no power parameters in nodes view <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531272>
[20:49] <bleepbloop> how can I stop maas from powering off right away during a deployment that fails early on? I can't even get logged in to the image before it shuts itself off
[20:49] <mup> Bug #1531272 changed: 1.9 rc4: servers stuck in deploying - no power parameters in nodes view <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531272>
[20:55] <mup> Bug #1531272 opened: 1.9 rc4: servers stuck in deploying - no power parameters in nodes view <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531272>
[21:02] <mup> Bug #1531272 changed: 1.9 rc4: servers stuck in deploying - no power parameters in nodes view <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531272>
[21:05] <mup> Bug #1531272 opened: 1.9 rc4: servers stuck in deploying - no power parameters in nodes view <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531272>
[21:36] <oskar_> @bleepbloop: https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/troubleshooting.html - it's under the heading "Inside the ephemeral image"
[21:37] <oskar_> Though that was 30 mins ago. You probably found it. ;)
[21:37] <bleepbloop> @oskar_ Thank you, in my case it was wrong, I was trying to debug an install that is botching on curtin, in that case the file was called /run/block-curtin-poweroff as I found out from https://bugs.launchpad.net/curtin/+bug/1294698
[21:38] <oskar_> Oh interesting.
[21:38] <oskar_> Adding that to my notes... hehe
[21:38] <bleepbloop> @oskar_ yeah it tripped me up for a while ;)
[21:39] <bleepbloop> I ended up using
[21:39] <bleepbloop> while true; do ssh node-foo.maas sudo touch /run/block-curtin-powerof && break; done
[21:39] <bleepbloop> which worked nicely
[21:39] <oskar_> pewpew ssh key
[21:39] <oskar_> effectively instant
[21:47] <oskar_> Hoping for someone with amazing brain powers to take a quick look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/716518/maas-failing-commissioning-ubuntu-14-04-maas-1-8-3/716538#716538 - The next step is deep diving and learning way more about maas than I intended to.
[22:20] <mup> Bug #1484696 opened: Unable to connect to: ws://<maas IP>:/MAAS/ws <cisco> <landscape> <oil> <MAAS:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <MAAS 1.8:Confirmed for blake-rouse> <MAAS 1.9:Fix Released by blake-rouse> <MAAS trunk:Fix Committed by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1484696>


[07:00] <philipballew> is there a way to see if a driver for the Broadcom 4331 wifi chipset is yet in any upstream kernal
[19:32] <ronin___> Hi all
[19:32] <ronin___> Just for increase my information
[19:32] <ronin___> can I ask for supervisor?
[19:34] <ronin___> any help can be useful for someone loves to learn new things
[19:35] <ronin___> I know It's difficult but I need just some help
[19:43] <ronin___> Please some help or a first step can be very useful
[19:46] <ronin___> Thank you all, Nut I promise I learn it by myself
[19:46] <ronin___> Just before three month
[21:29] <gema> st before three month
[21:29] <gema> sorry
[22:48] <cjwatson> jcrigby: where's the git tree matching the linux-linaro-vexpress package in the oneiric archive?
[22:49] <cjwatson> jcrigby: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/linux-linaro-oneiric.git;a=summary seems to be newer, not sure if I'm looking in the right place


[00:06]  * Hobbsee waves to bdmurray
[00:08] <sectech> bdmurray,  do you have any objection to me providing a generic 1 line reply to why I changed the status of a bug that I am triaging to incomplete? I am finding that a lot of reporters like to change there status to something that isn't in the best interest of their report.
[00:08]  * bdmurray waves back to Hobbsee
[00:09] <sectech> Okay 2 sentences... "* A bug-control triager has elected to look at this issue and has flagged the status as incomplete. Once enough information is provided so that the developers can carry on with issue it will be marked as confirmed then triaged."
[00:09] <sectech> I figure it will minimize me having to correct bug statues all day...
[00:09] <sectech> then explaining why after the fact.
[00:09] <bdmurray> What kind of confusion are you seeing?
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering that. surely if you ask for information, then it is clear why you set it to incomplete?
[00:10] <sectech> today 1 marked a bug as "in progress" when it wasn't... some are confirming their own bugs... some are setting it to other various statuses.
[00:10] <Hobbsee> and a lot of people never reset the bug status after giving the information
[00:11] <sectech> I have a lot of people who mark the bug as "new" after they provide information
[00:12] <bdmurray> Setting bugs back to do isn't really harmful
[00:12] <bdmurray> s/do/new/ ;-)
[00:12] <sectech> Well it's not really harmful to confirm you own bug either but I am trying to be as helpful as possible when I touch a bug...
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> confirming your own bugs should be discouraged though
[00:13] <sectech> It just reduces the likely hood it will draw the wrong attention from the wrong group (not so much for new)
[00:13] <hggdh> setting the bug to new after providing data is actually quite a good move
[00:13] <sectech> chrisccoulson,  which is another reply I seem to be typing a lot... after the fact.
[00:14] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - yeah, I agree. the more annoying move is when someone comes along and changes from Incomplete -> Confirmed without leaving a comment or providing the required info
[00:14] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, I agree. Perhaps an option would be to have a link in the bug to the rules of the game
[00:15] <hggdh> like a WARNING: read the meaning before using
[00:15] <hggdh> heh
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> Perhaps - but that might get annoying if you couldn't turn it off by default. and there's always a risk of information overload too
[00:15] <sectech> hggdh, It's not really valid with the criteria though...  A "new" bug is defined on "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status" as being untriaged.
[00:16] <sectech> if I am in the process of triaging a bug... it has been touched...
[00:16] <hggdh> sectech, I know. But what status should I put after I responded a question? Note that my response might not be enough to have the bug in confirmed
[00:16] <hggdh> ergo, new
[00:16] <Hobbsee> hggdh: i'm sure that "warning:  Please use a brain and think" would not get accepted as a warning :P
[00:17] <Hobbsee> or similar
[00:17] <hggdh> Hobbsee, we can only hope ;-)
[00:17] <Hobbsee> (unfortunately(
[00:17] <sectech> hggdh,  I would leave it as incomplete until the triager has enough information to confirm it or mark it as triaged... It technically is still incomplete until we can at least figure out what is going on...
[00:17] <hggdh> Brain: Do not discard -- use it
[00:17] <sectech> I get an email every time someone replies anyway, so I know they submitted a reply.
[00:18] <chrisccoulson> "Please use a brain and think" would be no use to me. I can't find my brain most of the time so I would just skip over it ;)
[00:18] <sectech> and I would hope that triagers wouldn't abandon their bugs once they touched hem
[00:18] <sectech> err them
[00:18] <hggdh> it is indeed -- but not everybody subscribes to a bug
[00:18] <sectech> IMHO that's a triager issue...
[00:19] <hggdh> I am not saying it is correct or incorrect, but that we have to adjust the theory to reality
[00:19] <hggdh> it is a triager issue, this is where most of the folks that want to help start to learn
[00:19] <sectech> I would rather a triager add there comments to a bug and not change the status from new to incomplete if they didn't intend on working on it.
[00:19] <chrisccoulson> sectech - no, triagers shouldn't abandon a bug, and they should be subscribed to bugs they are triaging. but there are cases when a bug is really difficult to triage. in those cases, you can subscribe someone else, ask here, or set it back to New where another triager will pick it up
[00:19] <hggdh> it also, unfortunately, something that is left for others after they new triagers learn the ropes
[00:20] <sectech> true enough hggdh ....
[00:20] <bdmurray> Maybe the distro bug filing instructions should have information about bug statuses and how they are used.
[00:21] <chrisccoulson> sectech - just had a look at bug 305308
[00:21] <chrisccoulson> very strange. i can't even get it to install on intrepid because of dependency issues
[00:21] <sectech> It would be less confusing to the reporter to see why a bug was marked as incomplete and that they don't need to do anything special other then provide the info asked for... takes the guess work out for a new reporter, and comes across as less intimidating...
[00:21] <chrisccoulson> i don't know how the reporter got it as far as configuring the pacakge
[00:22] <hggdh> bdmurray, I agree. You also should know my feelings pretty well by now: we have to few stati on Malone
[00:22] <sectech> chrisccoulson,  yeah  that one I decided to get the ball rolling on....  He got a generic reply but it's only because those replies are pretty clear on what we need
[00:23] <hggdh> but I still think it would be cool if Malone sported a link to the instructions -- this is where most new users go straight to, not to the wiki
[00:23] <sectech> I had a feeling that one would just sit there out in never never land if he didn't add more to it
[00:23] <chrisccoulson> yeah, probably!
[00:24] <chrisccoulson> the bug description really describes the problem well :)
[00:24] <sectech> chrisccoulson,  lol yeah I'll probably change that for him once I figure out what he is talking about...
[00:25] <sectech> My thoughts behind triaging is to make this as easy as possible on the person reporting it... All they should be concerned with is reporting the problem they are having... answering questions and we should take it from there.
[00:25] <sectech> Personally I love it when other traigers jump in and help...
[00:25] <sectech> I am not trying to discourage that either
[00:29] <sectech> Also the argument could be said that if I have 150 bugs in my list and I see one suddenly changed to "fix released" I think that progress happened and someone took over such as a developer and tend to look at it last.
[00:33] <xteejx> Hope you don't mind me jumping in here guys...but the amount of open new bugs from Hardy is ridiclous...thats where most of our stats are going, and a lot have been fixed in Intrepid, there are currently 1500+ but I believe the reality is somewhere around 750 judging by the amount of crap I've gone through of the oldies
[00:34] <sectech> I bet you could find some from gusty still too
[00:34] <xteejx> Not any more I've got rid of all of them
[00:34] <sectech> xteejx,  it is impossible for triagers and developers to get to them all
[00:34] <xteejx> Well chronologically anyway I'm going thru hardy at the mo
[00:35] <sectech> It's awesome to have someone doing that, thank you :)
[00:35] <xteejx> sectech, of course it is, and i believe in us triagers and the devs etc, and i love ubuntu and the community, but without a handful of people checking on the old crunf our bug stats will always be wrong
[00:36] <xteejx> i mean there was about 50 n-p bugs open, not checked in debian or ubuntu just sitting there lol
[00:36] <sectech> xteejx, try triaging a bug that was created in 2006 from 2 versions before that is marked new lol
[00:37] <xteejx> there isnt any ;)
[00:37] <sectech> there might not be now lol
[00:37] <xteejx> earliest open new one now is bug 243833 - june 2008
[00:37] <sectech> ........ seriously? June 2008?
[00:37] <xteejx> yup
[00:38] <sectech> how the heck did we get that far caught up
[00:38] <xteejx> hehehe moi
[00:38] <sectech> are you just closing them?
[00:38] <xteejx> nope am following procedure
[00:38] <xteejx> told you to approve my bug control application :P lol
[00:38] <sectech> Oh that was you that I saw that from...
[00:38] <sectech> :P
[00:39] <xteejx> yeah probs lol
[00:42] <bdmurray> xteejx: it'd be good to ask them which release they noticed bug 243833 in
[00:43] <xteejx> done
[00:44] <bdmurray> If people don't indicate the release that information would be useful
[00:44] <xteejx> can someone change the following to wishlist for me please? bug 228373, bug 231128 and bug 183933 thank you :)
[00:44] <xteejx> bdmurray: I understand - I forgot lol
[00:45] <xteejx> huh? forget the above sorry its late
[00:46] <xteejx> right im off to bed guys its 12:45am!! see you all tomorrow and thanks for the help :)
[00:47] <xteejx> bdmurray, sectech: thanks again guys, goodnight :)
[00:47] <sectech> have a good night xteejx
[00:47] <xteejx> see ya
[00:47] <xteejx> :)
[03:54] <alexserver> hey there
[03:55] <alexserver> my laptop doesnt recognize dma mode for my dvd
[03:55] <alexserver> i have troubles on enabling dma for my dvd player
[04:06] <tcole> is the device name like /dev/hda or like /dev/sda
[04:06] <tcole> ?
[04:06] <tcole> oh, he left
[07:48] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[07:53] <xteejx> Morning thekorn, and evryone else :)#
[07:55] <thekorn> hi xteejx
[07:58] <xteejx> why the hell am i awake at 8am
[08:03] <BUGabundo_work> I don't know xteejx... I guess I do it, because I want to get paid ?
[08:05] <xteejx> lol you work for canonical though right? I don't :)
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> nope
[08:06] <BUGabundo_work> for me FOSS is my hobby
[08:07] <BUGabundo_work> I spend most of my free (and some of my paid time) advocating it
[08:07] <xteejx> I just couldn't sleep....anyway update: 6 old bugs marked fix released so far working on the rest reverse chrono order New status
[08:07] <xteejx> kool :)
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> feel free to go around mine
[08:08] <BUGabundo_work> maybe I missed updating some
[08:09] <xteejx> you doing the same bugabundo? :)
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> no
[08:09]  * xteejx is confused
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> today I just want to get my webcam working again
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> with the new <IP_ADDRESS> kernel
[08:09] <xteejx> is that the jaunty kernel?
[08:10]  * BUGabundo_work gets webcam to work WOOT
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> yep, it its
[08:10] <xteejx> go bugabundo :)
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> http://blubug.bugabundo.net:65006/
[08:11] <BUGabundo_work> live stream, thanks to webcam-server !
[08:11] <BUGabundo_work> I need to update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/215604
[08:11] <BUGabundo_work> ah... I see I are accesing my webcam!
[08:11] <BUGabundo_work> is the picture good?
[08:12] <xteejx> wondered what the link was lol
[08:12] <BUGabundo_work> sure, the guy infront of it is ugky
[08:12] <xteejx> yeah its working fine :)
[08:12] <BUGabundo_work> 3 guys there!
[08:12] <BUGabundo_work> it seems that not everyone here is asleep
[08:12] <BUGabundo_work> LOL
[08:12] <xteejx> they like to pretend they're asleep ;)
[08:12] <BUGabundo_work> who else here is accessing my webcam?
[08:13] <thekorn> me, by accident ;)
[08:13] <BUGabundo_work> if you accuse your self , I *may* get a pretty lady to come up
[08:13] <BUGabundo_work> ahhhh.... lol
[08:13] <xteejx> lol
[08:13] <BUGabundo_work> accident??
[08:13] <BUGabundo_work> ROFL
[08:13] <thekorn> well, wanted to klick the bug link
[08:14] <BUGabundo_work> ahaahahaahaahahaahaha
[08:14] <BUGabundo_work> never heard that before!
[08:14] <xteejx> there was a good 2 lines between them :P
[08:14] <thekorn> and finally saw your face
[08:15] <xteejx> omg i love the community its funny sometimes - not all boring hard labour :D
[08:16] <BUGabundo_work> thekorn: instead my face, see hers http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=nZqGYsh0lVg
[08:16] <BUGabundo_work> best VIDEO ever!
[08:16] <BUGabundo_work> a prize to who gets the point of the video, 1st
[08:16] <xteejx> wobbling tits
[08:16] <xteejx> :)
[08:17] <BUGabundo_work> ohhhhhh
[08:17] <BUGabundo_work> darn!
[08:17] <BUGabundo_work> brb
[08:17] <xteejx> lol!
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> I wonder if thekorn saw it!
[08:37] <thekorn> yes, I saw it, and all people sitting behind me in the lecture hall ;)
[08:38] <BUGabundo_work> eheheehheheeheheheeheh ahahahahaahah
[08:38] <BUGabundo_work> really?
[08:38] <xteejx> lmfaooo
[08:38] <BUGabundo_work> did they "get" it?
[08:38] <thekorn> well, not all, some are sleeping
[08:38] <thekorn> I think so
[08:39] <thekorn> anyway, have to follow this lecture now
[08:39]  * BUGabundo_work really hopes bug 304705 gets fixed!
[08:39] <BUGabundo_work> some triagers are just bad....
[08:41] <xteejx> lol just read that report, thought it was common knowledge gnome runs kde apps
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> just one bugmail tonight? things are getting quieter! lol
[08:41] <xteejx> obviously not
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> yeah, my though exactly
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> I guess some people still want to separate the waters!
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> its going to be fun to watch Akademy next year!
[08:41] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[08:41] <xteejx> whats that?
[08:42] <BUGabundo_work> hundrends of KDE and GNOME devs together! lol
[08:42] <BUGabundo_work> I hope some one films it....
[08:42] <xteejx> i can imagine the bitching lol
[08:42] <BUGabundo_work> either we get the BIGGEST geek war ever, or the best DESKTOP UI
[08:43] <xteejx> I'm betting on the 1st :D
[08:43] <BUGabundo_work> its going to be worse then FOSS advocates vs MSFT Trolls
[08:43] <xteejx> lmao
[08:43] <xteejx> i hate inciting violence but a linux user really should decapitate bill gates
[08:44] <xteejx> :D
[08:44] <BUGabundo_work> ehehe
[08:45] <xteejx> how long has unix been going in comparison to DOS, Os2, BSD, apple, etc?
[08:46] <BUGabundo_work> humm the all time up until now?
[08:46] <xteejx> yeah i mean is it older or newer?
[08:46] <BUGabundo_work> I still get people telling me they are afraid to try it, because "it looks like DOS"
[08:47] <BUGabundo_work> but those users never, ever, even used DOS...
[08:47] <xteejx> yeah i get that
[08:47] <BUGabundo_work> then again, I sometimes get the totally oposite
[08:47] <xteejx> no i n oticed that, the earliest was windows 95 or 3.1, but never actually used dos
[08:47] <BUGabundo_work> last week a 24 yo girl here at the office, that barely know Computers from an user POV
[08:48] <BUGabundo_work> took home one my Ubuntu CDs (8.10), and the nex morning told me how fun it was to install it, and play a few games!!!
[08:48] <xteejx> !! bloody hell
[08:48] <xteejx> oops lol
[08:49] <BUGabundo_work> I asked her if she was just using the LiveCD, but no.. she says she is took the CD and has the boot choice!!!!
[08:49] <BUGabundo_work> if a basic user can do this.... I guess ANYONE can!
[08:50] <xteejx> its not at all hard to install, the only thing i found finicky was the partitioner, but was easily solved
[08:51] <BUGabundo_work> the AUTO does much of the job for new users
[08:51] <BUGabundo_work> and WUBI doesn't even need to make partitions
[08:51]  * BUGabundo_work wonders what's the current state of WUBI... does it support hibernation now?
[08:51] <xteejx> v true but eurgh ubuntu on ntfs.....poor ubuntu
[08:52] <BUGabundo_work> that option that makes the LiveCD restart the PC to boot from CDROM is nice...
[08:52] <BUGabundo_work> didn't know it got implemented on ibex!
[08:52] <xteejx> havent seen that
[08:53] <BUGabundo_work> I came across it by accident!
[08:53] <xteejx> lol
[08:53] <BUGabundo_work> read about it on some mail, but didn't know it got in...
[08:54] <xteejx> weird
[08:54] <BUGabundo_work> I inserted my LiveUSB and it showed me the option to reboot from CD...
[08:54] <BUGabundo_work> now that I think of it, I should file a bug
[08:54] <BUGabundo_work> lololol
[08:54] <xteejx> anyways i need to get myself some breakfast ill talk to ya later :)
[08:54] <xteejx> lmfao hahaha
[08:54] <BUGabundo_work> USB != CD
[08:54] <xteejx> brb
[09:17] <BUGabundo_work> whois sugree
[09:26] <xteejx> who is bascule? ref bug 247327, wan't subscirbed to the bug, left as New, not Incomplete, and didnt invalidate
[12:03] <markvandenborre> hi, I'm trying to restore an evolution backup on Ubuntu 8.04, and it fails partially
[12:03] <markvandenborre> I had a lot of local address books, but I can't see them anymore
[12:04] <markvandenborre> after restoring
[12:04] <markvandenborre> (in the gui)
[12:04] <markvandenborre> they're still present as addressbook.db files in their original places
[12:05] <markvandenborre> the only one that is still visible in the gui is one address book
[12:06] <markvandenborre> (don't know if it has anything to do with it, but that one is in Berkely db v8)
[12:06] <markvandenborre> a newly created address book is BDB v9
[12:06] <markvandenborre> but all the old ones are v8
[12:10] <markvandenborre> so I think I might have bumped into an LTS bug
[12:10] <markvandenborre> any suggestions on where to create the bug report?
[13:05] <hyperair> when a bug exists on hardy, but is fixed in intrepid (new upstream version) is it considered as "fix released"?
[14:45] <ziroday`> Hi, what more info is needed for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/116752 to be marked as triage?
[14:45] <ziroday`> *triaged
[14:46] <hyperair> what's "Uhhuh" doing in the title?
[14:46] <ziroday`> hyperair: thats the error message from syslog
[14:46] <hyperair> good gried. seriously?
[14:46] <hyperair> *f
[14:46] <maco> hahahaha
[14:47] <ziroday`> srsly
[14:47] <maco> hyperair: what would be more fun is an error message that included "good grief" :)
[14:47] <ziroday`> Basically it says that, tells me that there is a hardware error, and then says its "Dazed and Confused" and freezes up
[14:47] <hyperair> maco: agreed
[14:48] <ziroday`> so any ideas of what else needs to be included or who to talk to?
[14:48] <maco> hyperair: i make it a point to have amusing error messages in some homework assignments.  i had a php shopping cart that called the user "greedy as a vogon" if they tried to order more than were in stock :P
[14:49] <maco> oh, it was douglas adams themed
[14:49] <maco> but anyway...
[14:50] <hyperair> heh. that didn't make sense to me, but i'll keep that in mind =p
[15:35] <Tomay>  I downloaded UBUNTU 8.10 DVD & burned it & when booting from the dvd an error message: as below
[15:35] <Tomay>  [xxx.xxxxxx] Buffer I/0 error on device sr0, logical block xxxxxx
[15:35] <Tomay>  Help me PLEASE :(
[15:36] <BUGabundo_work> Tomay: please ask on #ubuntu
[15:38] <Tomay> ok
[15:47] <hacktick> BUGabundo_work: It seems that your specialised in directing helpless people to the right channels :)
[15:51] <BUGabundo_work> ehehe
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> been there too
[15:52] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[15:55] <BUGabundo_work> hacktick: but do you think this is a bad thing?
[15:57] <BUGabundo_work> L
[16:06] <hacktick> BUGabundo_work: of course not
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[16:06] <BUGabundo_work> for a moment I though you were being ironic
[16:07] <BUGabundo_work> and everyone know I can't get sarcasm (much less via chat)
[17:05] <xteejx> guys this is a stupid question, but is there any way to slow down the clock by say 50% on Ubuntu, its to cheat a game on Facebook
[17:06] <BUGabundo_work> well anything is possible on Linux
[17:06] <BUGabundo_work> you just have to code it, if it still doesn't exist
[17:07] <xteejx> Me? Code? hahaha
[17:07] <xteejx> I barely know where the letter C comes from!
[17:07] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[17:08] <hacktick> xteejx: you just have to find a crystal on your motherboard and replace it :)
[17:09] <BUGabundo_work> eheheh
[17:09] <xteejx> hacktick: I know its like quartz set by the RTC on the mobo, but in Windoze there is a prank "virus"  that slows the rtc by 10% every 5 mins
[17:10] <xteejx> so its possible software-based
[17:10] <BUGabundo_work> humm i guess it just re-sets the time
[17:10] <BUGabundo_work> you can make a script that takes 30 secs to the date/time every 2 mins too
[17:11] <xteejx> or -1 second every 5 secs, that would be ideal lol
[17:11] <xteejx> shame life aint like that....24.....gettin older quickly lol
[17:13] <sree> Hi all. I just joined this team
[17:13] <hacktick> hi
[17:14] <sree> Is the CD tray auto close problem fixed in Intrepid ?
[17:16] <bdmurray> yes
[17:16] <sree> okay. good
[17:18] <sree> I'm experiencing a video rendering bug with the intel driver and I reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/305054
[17:19] <sree> anyone has got the same issue ?
[17:49] <xteejx> sree: I'm 80% sure that's already been reported, I remember coming across it last week
[18:01] <xteejx> woohoo, quite a lot of problems seem to have been fixed in Intrepid, a lot of the old "New" bugs are going straight to Fix Released :)
[18:26] <stumpy> Where do ask for a bug fix to backported to the LTS version of ubuntu?
[18:26] <Pici> !backports | check the link
[18:28] <bdmurray> xteejx: How is bug 303625 not a bug?
[18:30] <stumpy> I think bug 239431 need to be fixed in "Updates" for ubuntu 8.04 and it's a low-risk fix.
[18:41] <xteejx> bdmurray: Hi sorry yeah I'm here
[18:41] <xteejx> bdmurray: I thought the pic http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20068937/Themed%20Greeter%20warning.png was pretty self explanatory
[18:41] <BUGabundo> can some one take a look at bug 270822?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> it would help solve bug 277903
[18:42] <BUGabundo> any reason why syslinux aint upgraded by the auto sync from debian?
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> because its got local ubuntu changes
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> it needs a merge
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> packages that have a delta with debian don't get sync-d automatically
[18:43] <bdmurray> xteejx: the last part says "then if I try to select any theme, the Login Screen Setup window just crash and disappear"
[18:45] <xteejx> bdmurray: Oops :(
[18:45] <xteejx> have reset it
[18:45] <BUGabundo> I guess its colin who handles that package
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> it could be handled by anyone who wants to do it;)
[18:48] <bdmurray> xteejx: good next steps for that bug would be determining the package, finding out what version the person has the bug with and with what locale / language
[18:49] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: that's why I always use apport or bug-buddy to report bugs... it should send all info
[18:49] <BUGabundo> but they are disable on stable releases!
[18:49] <BUGabundo> I don't know why...
[18:49] <BUGabundo> sure, you might not need to have apport capturing crashs
[18:49] <bdmurray> apport-bug or ubuntu-bug are not disabled on stable releases it is just crash reports
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> it's only the part of apport that catches the crashes which is disabled isn't it?
[18:49] <BUGabundo> but it should still be able to collect data when invoked from the console
[18:49] <bdmurray> chrisccoulson: that's correct
[18:49] <chrisccoulson> bdmurray - you beat me to it;)
[18:50] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:50] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: it can
[18:50] <BUGabundo> I asked a user to use it
[18:50] <BUGabundo> and he replied back with a message
[18:50] <BUGabundo> saying that it was disabled!
[18:50] <chrisccoulson> all that happens when apport is disabled is that the kernel doesn't pipe the core dumps in to apport. nothing else is disabled
[18:50] <BUGabundo> that's why I said that
[18:51] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: I'd like to hear specifics of the command etc...
[18:51] <BUGabundo> me too...
[18:51] <BUGabundo> two weeks ago
[18:51] <BUGabundo> another PC
[18:51] <BUGabundo> don't have the IRC logs with me!
[18:51] <bdmurray> was it in a public irc channel?
[18:51] <BUGabundo> don't even remember the user nicks so I could ask....
[18:51] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-pt
[18:51] <BUGabundo> or was it #ubuntu on irc.ptnet.org??
[18:52] <BUGabundo> I'm too many channels to track it down
[18:52] <BUGabundo> let me see if I can find some one on a stable release
[18:52] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:52] <bdmurray> Do you recall what command you would have recommended?
[18:53] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:53] <BUGabundo> sure
[18:53] <BUGabundo> let me run it on my system
[18:54] <BUGabundo> apport-cli -f -p PACKAGE
[18:55] <bdmurray> that's correct and works on Hardy
[18:55] <BUGabundo> I wonder why the user didn't manage to get it work?
[18:56] <BUGabundo> another user just tested and worked as expect
[18:56] <BUGabundo> well now I know!
[18:56] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:10] <BUGabundo> are FF3.1 bugs reported on LP for jaunty?
[19:10] <andersk> Yes.
[19:11] <BUGabundo> or mozilla team ML?
[19:11] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:11] <BUGabundo> you are faster them me andersk
[19:46] <OSWExplorer> hi, I want to know some initial links to work with ubuntu bugs
[19:50] <bdmurray> OSWExplorer: What kind of work are you looking to do?
[19:50] <OSWExplorer> i want to start with some simple bugs
[19:50] <OSWExplorer> in ubuntu
[19:51] <Pici> !bitesize
[19:51] <bdmurray> OSWExplorer: with fixing bugs or triaging bugs?
[19:51] <jsamuel> fixing bugs
[19:57] <OSWExplorer> I am a newbie here, but want to look at some simple bugs, thanks for the previos link, but m not able to figure out where to begin
[19:58] <OSWExplorer> Can anybody help me or point me to some documentation links
[19:58] <OSWExplorer> ?
[19:59] <lfaraone> !bugsquad
[20:04] <bdmurray> OSWExplorer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix might be of some help
[20:05] <jmarsden|work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage too
 Thanks for that link
 thanks
[21:16] <chrisccoulson> ping james_w - i just noticed you were the reporter of bug 238799. someone else experiencing it posted some info which suggests there's no bug in policykit. i just wondered if you can recreate it? if so, how do you recreate it, as I can't seem to do it?
[22:03] <james_w> chrisccoulson: hey. I believe I reported that as I was splitting up a bug where many people were reporting similar issues
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i just had another response on it
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> its not actually a bug
[22:04] <james_w> chrisccoulson: so I've never tried to reproduced, but yes, it's more of a dbus problem I think
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> the way they set up the VNC server means their session is not on a local console, so PK won't grant them authorizations
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> so it's a configuration issue. if you change the PK settings to grant to anyone, then it works ok
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> i think, anyway. i'm just about to test it. i can recreate the same behaviour over SSH too
[22:06] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I got a commenter on bug 213600 to sumbit a new bug since it was very incomplete.  Sould I make that a duplicate of the new one?
[22:07] <ogasawara> bdmurray: yah, just dup it
[22:07] <mbuf> is it recommended to use an Ubuntu distro for submitting patches, fixes, or is it ok to run it on an emulator?
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> mbuf - could you elaborate?
[22:09] <mbuf> chrisccoulson, is it ok to use a different distro for host OS, when working on Ubuntu bugs, which are run on an emulator?
[22:10] <chrisccoulson> it depends what work you're doing. if you're testing patches, they should be built on the distro that they're targetted at (whether that be in a chroot or whatever). you're probably better off directing that sort of question in #ubuntu-motu
[22:10] <james_w> chrisccoulson: thanks for looking at it, I think you are totally right
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> james_w - i think that might be the case. it might close a few other bugs too because i'm sure i've seen various bugs before about PK not working over network connections
[22:11] <james_w> yeah
[22:13]  * joumetal wonders if anything could be done to bug 59160
[22:13] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, that's a launchpad bug though
[22:14] <james_w> chrisccoulson: people who use LTSP run in to this, and fixing it for that would be good. That might be a fix somewhere in LTSP though
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> possibly. i'm not too familiar with LTSP though
[22:14] <bdmurray> joumetal: there's a greasemonkey script that resolves the list of tags being too long
[22:32] <mbuf> under Filters in bugs list, what is the difference between an "Open", "Unassigned", and a "New" bug?
[22:37] <bdmurray> Open includes bug statuses like New, Incomplete, Confirmed, Triaged, In Progress and Fix Committed
[22:37] <bdmurray> New is just New
[22:37] <bdmurray> And unassigned is any bugs that are open and not assigned to someone
[22:39] <mbuf> bdmurray, thanks
[22:39] <bdmurray> no problem
[23:55] <LimCore> hello
[23:55]  * Hobbsee waves
[23:56] <LimCore> nvidia seems to be epically unstable on VT switches.  Several switches vt7<->vt1 (gfx<->text)  or vt7<->vy8 (gfx<->gfx) ALWAYS gives crash (hard freeze) (or glitches
[23:56] <Hobbsee> nv, or binary drivers?
[23:56] <LimCore> recently I learned this problem is very wide spread
[23:56] <LimCore> binary
[23:56] <Hobbsee> well, go talk to nvidia then.
[23:56] <LimCore> but
[23:56] <LimCore> same is for intel.
[23:57] <LimCore> although intel is limited to showing glitches after few switches, instead of freez
[23:57]  * Hobbsee can't reproduce that, incidently.
[23:58] <LimCore> not many people use switching at all, but if you ask you should learn it is common
[23:58] <LimCore> this problem exists for year(s) on nvidia, and recently on intel from my own experience
[23:58] <LimCore> can we work around it
[23:58] <Hobbsee> no idea.
[23:58] <Hobbsee> ask bryce, but i doubt he's around, or will be for the next week
[23:58] <Hobbsee> and check for bugs
[23:59] <LimCore> btw, sox seems to not work almost at all
[23:59] <LimCore> like, reading raw format
[23:59]  * Hobbsee thought we had a bugtracker for a reason.
[23:59] <LimCore> and accidentially audacity crashes like crazy - which leaves us without any sound editing usable tools