[01:13] <kapouik> hi
[01:14] <kapouik> someone can say me if there is a plan to add openid authentification in launchpad ?
[01:18] <spiv> kapouik: yes.
[01:18] <spiv> There's a bug about it somewhere.
[01:20] <kapouik> because I have my OpenID allready and I don't want to create a new useraccount on launchpad
[01:22] <wgrant> kapouik: It's not quite there yet. Launchpad is already an OpenID consumer, but it's currently locked to a single provider. There's a bit more work to be done before we can allow any provider to be used.
[01:25] <kapouik> because creating a new account to get the source code from a free software where some code of me is in ... it's frustrating
[01:26] <spiv> You don't need an account to get source code hosted on launchpad.
[01:26] <kapouik> bzr say me I need
[01:27] <kapouik> is there an option to enable or disable anonymous acces ?
[01:27] <exarkun> Just don't use a bzr+ssh URI to check out the code.
[01:28] <wgrant> kapouik: bzr will suggest that you log in.
[01:28] <wgrant> But you don't have to.
[01:28] <wgrant> It should still work.
[12:55] <berco> Hi! Is there a LOSA online?
[13:24] <mthaddon> berco: hi
[13:31] <berco> mthaddon: hi, I discussed yesterday with Chex about our (TI) private PPA issue but seems he's on x-mas vacation now, so would like some help
[13:32] <mthaddon> berco: ok - the issue was that you wanted to make a private PPA public?
[13:32] <berco> yes
[13:32] <berco> but it's not possible
[13:32] <mthaddon> right
[13:33] <mthaddon> so what can I help with?
[13:33] <berco> so I wanted to know if it's possible to rename our private one, make a new public one with current name and finally if we will be able to copy our packages from one to the other
[13:33] <berco> problem is we wanted to keep the name
[13:34] <mthaddon> we're not able to rename PPAs
[13:35] <berco> mthaddon: would you be able to create a new public PPA for us?
[13:35] <mthaddon> berco: you should be able to do that yourself, no?
[13:36] <berco> mthaddon: well, my boss is but pb is that he's on vacation too :(
[13:37] <mthaddon> berco: I just have no way of verifying you are who you say you are on IRC - can you file a question on LP and point me to it - if I can confirm you're a member of the right team, I guess that would be okay
[13:38] <berco> mthaddon: makes sense, I'll try this. thanks
[13:38] <mthaddon> cool, I'll be here for a while yet, so just let me know when you've done that
[13:57] <berco> mthaddon: where can I file a question, I couldn't find a place where to do that for LP?
[13:58] <mthaddon> berco: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[14:12] <berco> mthaddon: I filed this question: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/138605
[14:12] <berco> mthaddon: I hope you can help us
[14:15] <mthaddon> berco: sure, what display name do you want to use?
[14:15] <mthaddon> (for the PPA)
[14:16] <berco> mthaddon: let's try with "TI omap-trunk PPA"
[14:18] <mthaddon> berco: https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk
[14:25] <berco> mthaddon: super! many thanks
[14:25] <mthaddon> sure, no problem
[14:26] <berco> mthaddon: you confirm it's for ARM?
[14:27] <mthaddon> berco: I can confirm builds for ARM are enabled
[14:27] <berco> mthaddon: thank you
[15:15] <will_> hi everybody... i'm a launchpad user : i translate several open source projects into French.. But recently I have a big problem with Launchpad... I can't access to my account anymore. I've tried the forgot password function but I don't receive the email with the instructions to reset my password
[15:16] <will_> However, I'm using Gmail on my own domain name...
[15:16] <will_> Can anyone help me ?
[15:41] <deryck> will_: did gmail swallow the email in your spam label?
[15:41] <will_> no I've checked throught the webmail : no filter...
[15:44] <will_> I don't understand, I've ask another launchpad user (through the fr translator list): but it works well with gmail...
[15:46] <psusi> the launchpad project page for mesa has a broken home page link, and very out of date release series information and download
[15:52] <cornwall> Hi, I've got a bzr branch with a fix that I'm trying to get pushed into lucid-proposed. I've followed the guidelines for an SRU and I'm ready to "upload to the release-proposed with the patch". Should I be proposing a merge into the the lp:projectname-proposed?
[15:56] <psusi> cornwall: I don't think so but that's probably better asked in #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel
[15:56] <cornwall> I see
[15:56] <cornwall> psusi: Thanks very much
[16:09] <will_> hi everybody... i'm a launchpad user : i translate several open source projects into French.. But recently I have a big problem with Launchpad... I can't access to my account anymore. I've tried the forgot password function but I don't receive the email with the instructions to reset my password... However, I'm using Gmail on my own domain name... I've checked throught the webmail, Gmail isn't considering the email as a spam
[16:20] <danilos> EdwinGrubbs, hi, can you please try to help will_ perhaps?
[16:21] <will_> Bonjour à tous... J'ai actuellement des problèmes de connexion avec Launchpad. La fonction Forgot your password ne fonctionne pas chez moi: je ne reçois pas le mail d'instructions pour redéfinir mon mot de passe. J'utilise Gmail lié à mon nom de domaine, Gmail ne considère pourtant pas les mails comme SPAM. Si quelqu'in pouvait m'aider (je viens du support de canonical pas de réponse ni sur son irc)
[16:26] <will_> sorry for my previous message in french... i was wrong channel... I've join the ubuntu channel : they send me back to you xD
[16:29] <will_> danilos : I've join the ubuntu channel : they sent me back to this channel xD
[16:30] <danilos> will_, you are on the right channel, but I am busy right now and need to leave soon, so you'll be better off waiting for EdwinGrubbs who's listed as the "help contact" in the channel topic
[16:31] <EdwinGrubbs> will_: hi, what is your launchpad username?
[16:33] <will_> muy launchpad username is William GATHOYE
[16:47] <bdrung> is it possible to configure the bug tracker of a project to use the bug tracker of the corresponding ubuntu package?
[17:02] <Guest39815> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[17:02] <Guest39815> libqt4-dev(inst 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu5.1 ! <= wanted 4.4)|libqt4-opengl-dev(missing)
[17:03] <Guest39815> the problem is libqt4-opengl-dev or libqt4-dev?
[17:06] <Guest39815> I don't see the problem
[17:07] <Guest39815> ah it ask for a version <4.4, hmm
[17:51] <EdwinGrubbs> bdrung: not really. If you link the ubuntu package to the project, when you go to the project's bug tab, it will mention the package, but the "Report a bug" link won't be active on the project.
[18:32] <ari-tczew> why can't I resubmit merge bzr proposal? (Error ID: OOPS-1816A1677)
[18:33] <ari-tczew> oh, thanks ubot5
[18:33] <ari-tczew> hmm, no access to read
[21:20]  * maxb sighs at code import requests with Launchpad's own loggerhead instance as the URL
[21:26] <maxb> Anyone have any thoughts on whether imported packaging branches from svn.debian.org ought to include the debian/ dir within the branch, or not?
[21:38] <soren> maxb: I can totally relate to import requests pointed at Launchpad. Not loggerhead, though.
[21:39] <ior_> Hey im having some trouble with the error No int found. Try passing int=bootarg on busybox v1.13.3 for jolicloud and im a noobie will anyone be willing to try and help me please?
[21:40] <soren> maxb: We used to keep our packaging for Nova (part of Openstack) in lp:nova/ubuntu. We since moved it to a more proper home at lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/ubuntu/natty/nova/ubuntu. Being able to keep the lp:nova/ubuntu shortcut would have been really awesome, but I can't point the nova project's ubuntu series' dev branch at something in the lp:ubuntu/blah namespace.
[21:41] <soren> maxb: My attempts to work around that involved setting up a code import into the nova namespace from lp:~openstack-ubuntu-packagers/ubuntu/natty/nova/ubuntu. It was rejected.
[21:41] <radix> Does anyone have a link to that stuff that lifeless wrote about keeping a layer between application logic and storage logic?
[21:41] <radix> I remember reading a pretty abstract specification of it, but I'm wondering if he's gone into more technical detail yet
[21:42] <maxb> ior_: You're in the wrong place for help with that. This is a channel for help with the launchpad.net website
[21:43] <ior_> Thank you for somereason someone directed me here, anyone know where i may go for help with such an issue?
[21:44] <maxb> It seems like you need to find a jolicloud-specific forum of some sort.
[22:35] <Yaron-Heb> Hey guys! I can't enter Banshee's translation through here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/banshee
[22:35] <Yaron-Heb> I get an error
[22:36] <Yaron-Heb> this is the error ID I got: (Error ID: OOPS-1816N1955)
[22:36] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: banshee isn't in main yet, so it's not translatable yet
[22:37] <Yaron-Heb> ohhhhh I see! thank you very much, when will it be?
[22:37] <micahg> at least through Ubuntu in launchpad :-/.
[22:37] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: bug 607291
[22:37] <Yaron-Heb> we are expecting banshee as default in natty aren't we?
[22:38] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: yes, it's in progress, probably some time in January
[22:38] <Yaron-Heb> I see... will it be that difficult to convert to Vala instead of Mono?
[22:39] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: don't quote me on that
[22:39] <Yaron-Heb> LOL, you got it ☺
[22:39] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: I don't know of any plans to convert from mono
[22:39] <Yaron-Heb> damn... that's gonna be ugly isn't it?
[22:39] <micahg> Yaron-Heb: no, but this is getting off-topic here
[22:40] <Yaron-Heb> yeah... sure thing...
[22:40] <Yaron-Heb> anyways thank you for your help!
[22:40] <Yaron-Heb> thank you all!


[01:16] <ateenytree> help
[01:16] <ateenytree> whoops sorry
[02:10] <tiox> I don't understand.
[02:10] <tiox> Had anyone else been having trouble with fft-mscorefonts-installer?
[02:10] <tiox> Whoops.
[02:10] <tiox> ttf-mscorefonts-installer rather.
[06:41] <alkisg> tiox: no issues here, maybe your ISP or sourceforge have issues
[08:01] <sixwheeledbeast> Nope I recently installed mscorefonts to ubuntu-mate for someone.
[11:39] <tiox> sixwheeledbeast: Around still?
[11:40] <tiox> Because I had trouble from a fresh live sessino of Ubuntu MATE with ttf-mscorefonts-installer because Sourceforge isn't able to send anything that package demands.
[11:40] <sam__> okay, this may sound stupid; what exact differences in ubuntu-mat and debian to plain eye?
[11:41] <sam__> @tiox ignore that message it will not do your system any harm.
[11:42] <tiox> sam__: No difference really. Just saying I tried a live session an ttf-mscorefonts-installer kept spitting out errors at me because it can't retrieve the files it calls upon from sourceforge.
[11:44] <sam__> yes sourceforge probably move the package to new address and ubuntu is trying to retrieve it from old address.[
[13:16] <cristina__> Hola, acabo de instalar ubuntu mate en un ordenador hp nuevo. La conexión por cable funciona bien, pero la wifi, auque parece que está disponible, no encuentra niguna red alrededor. El resto de mis dispositivos encuentran 20 o más. Por lo que no puedo conectarme por wifi a internet
[13:16] <cristina__> Alguien puede ayudarme?
[13:17] <cristina__> He probado todos los tutoriales que he visto y nada.
[13:19] <cristina__> Mi ordenador es un HP pavilion y el dispositivo wifi es rtl8723be realtek
[15:13] <Guest55426> morning to all
[15:15] <Guest55426> when i Ubuntu rebooted, there is a square color pixel in the right upper part of the screen, how do i remove this
[15:21] <Astro7467> Guest55426: Raspberry Pi?
[15:21] <Astro7467> Guest55426: Raspberry Pi?
[15:21] <Guest55426> yes astro7467 raspberry pi
[15:22] <Astro7467> it is a thermal indicator from the RPi, not a OS controlled thing
[15:23] <Astro7467> means your RPi cpu is starting to get too hot
[15:24] <Guest55426> ok thanks. should i turn it off now and think about getting heat sinks.
[15:25] <Astro7467> I see it with rasplex when streaming x265/HEVC, which is cpu intensive to decode (compared to x264/AVC)
[15:25] <Guest55426> i brought nano kit at local store, looked up raspberry pie, try others os but Ubuntu seems to be suitable for me
[15:26] <Astro7467> if it is showing all the time, could be advisable to shut off. Just opening up the case, if possible or repositioning the RPi, for better air flow, could be enough
[15:27] <Astro7467> but Heatsink probably advisable longterm
[16:08] <ambs> Hi, mates!
[16:09] <ambs> any idea why changing HiDPI to 2 in gnome-tweak-tool doesn't change a thing?
[16:23] <ambs> well, when starting gnome-tweak-tool it complains of 'shell not running o dbus service not available'
[17:51] <sixwheeledbeast> tiox: this wasn't a live session, full installation about 3 weeks ago
[18:48] <tiox> `I kept going to bed, lol
[18:49] <tiox> I needed the sleep. Anyway, I always test things live if they go wrong elsewhere. Though, depending on what I am doing I have to do "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386"
[18:56] <tiox> Funny question; is xev part of a Ubuntu MATE install or does that need to be installed separately?
[19:53] <Eagle357> Hi guys i've a question about Ubuntu Mate for RPI Zero can you help me ?
[20:27] <alkisg> tiox: it's part of x11-utils, which is preinstalled in mate


[05:57] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:19] <sam_yan> HI,which program is related with the "kernel/ima/"
[07:45] <dholbach> @pilot in
[08:05] <Laney> pkern: I can do, or we can re-backport from a later series
[08:07] <Laney> pkern: (but I would have just been executing the backport for somebody else - in Ubuntu the actual backports team always ends up in Changed-By)
[08:13] <LocutusOfBorg> hi doko how do you feel about a cython sync?
[08:14] <LocutusOfBorg> or xnox
[08:14] <LocutusOfBorg> little bit worried about s390x
[08:18] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm segfault (ICE) on ppc64el
[08:18] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't test s390x
[08:23] <alf_> Hi all! I am seeing unexpected behavior with a systemd service we have for the repowerd package. The repowerd.service file 'Requires' another service which is missing on the desktop and thus repowerd.service correctly fails when trying to start it manually. However (this is the unexpected part), on system start-up the repowerd service actually starts without error, it seems like this dependency is ignored. Any idea what could be going on?
[08:59] <LocutusOfBorg> hi, how can I programmatically retry all the builds of a particular package? I admit the web interface is not the best one to retrigger builds
[09:15] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: ubuntu-build --batch --retry <package> (from ubuntu-dev-tools)
[09:15] <cjwatson> slightly weird CLI, not my fault :)
[09:17] <Laney> Should probably make a release of ubuntu-dev-tools
[09:17] <Laney> For https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/1449
[09:19] <xnox> my LED screens flicker
[09:19] <xnox> is that a property of 16.04 LTS, or my dodge screens / graphics card?
[09:19] <cjwatson> I would not be sad, I just didn't have effort for a release
[09:20]  * xnox ponders if I am suffering from cross-talk
[09:21] <cjwatson> probably
[09:28] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks cjwatson :) that ubuntu-dev-tools impresses me each time more
[09:31] <mwhudson> xnox: i have that a bit, intel graphics?
[09:32] <xnox> mwhudson, yeap
[09:34] <mwhudson> xnox: much more noticeable on displayport but i think it still happens on hdmi
[09:37] <mwhudson> nothing in dmesg when it happens
[10:02] <LocutusOfBorg> bad ubuntu-build! why you don't give back s390x?
[10:03]  * LocutusOfBorg pulls the new ubuntu-dev-tools
[10:04] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: Oh yeah, possibly should have warned you about that
[10:04] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: I could have highlighted you then, sorry
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> no need to be sorry! I like to learn :)
[10:05] <Laney> i'll make a note to upload that to Debian (or you can)
[10:05] <LocutusOfBorg> and the code is pretty obvious
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/1449
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg> found (damn why I didn't read above?)
[10:09] <dholbach> didrocks, one for your: https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu-make/autopkgtest-depend-on-debounce/+merge/301355 :-)
[10:12] <didrocks> dholbach: oh, thanks!
[10:12] <dholbach> anytime :)
[11:46] <dholbach> @pilot out
[12:08] <doko> apw, linux needs a rebuild against binutil 2.27 once it's built on all archs
[12:08] <doko> LocutusOfBorg, dholbach: gnutls28 ftbfs
[12:10] <jtaylor> hm there seems to be a problem in boot ordering with iscsi in 16.04
[12:11] <jtaylor> it tries to mount the disk before starting the iscsi daemon
[12:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I know
[12:11] <jtaylor> though it seems to still work as it times out and tries again later
[12:29] <Mirv> doko: any news on the --secure-plt problem on powerpc? it does not seem to be specified on the g++ line, so it's coming from some defaults.
[12:37] <doko> Mirv, yes, gcc is configured with --enable-secureplt
[12:38] <Mirv> doko: so it should be disabled for powerpc? is there ETA for a fixed build or a workaround to get a package to build on powerpc meanwhile?
[12:38] <doko> Mirv, what are you trying to "fix"?
[12:39] <Mirv> doko: getting the "/usr/bin/ld.gold: --secure-plt: unknown option" on powerpc
[12:39] <doko> Mirv, don't use gold on powerpc
[12:40] <Mirv> doko: ok, so something like -Wl,-fuse-ld=ld could work before finding where to remove gold usabe more generally on powerpc?
[12:41] <dholbach> doko, I commented on the bug
[12:41] <doko> Mirv, well, where do you enable gold, it's not enabled by default
[12:42] <doko> dholbach, ta
[12:42] <Mirv> doko: yes, I'll find the core place too, but right now I'm trying to get one package built. probably qtbase's mkspecs.
[12:46] <Mirv> doko: anyway, if you don't have a workaround to suggest, thanks anyway for suggesting to disable gold on powerpc so that I can find that place
[12:47] <doko> Mirv, passing -Wl,-fuse-ld=ld doesn't guarantee that it is passed in the correct order ...
[12:56] <LocutusOfBorg> dholbach, any idea for gnutls28? I can't really reproduce locally
[12:56] <LocutusOfBorg> retrying with parallel builds
[12:56] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg, no, me neither
[12:56] <dholbach> did this test fail anywhere else before?
[13:16] <xnox> doko, working with smr and google-mock maintainer to package new google-test for updated (non-segfaulting) gtest and gmock
[13:16] <xnox> i see some build failures with segfaults due to gtest
[13:32] <Laney> xnox: even with the alleged fix?
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg> dholbach, never saw it
[13:33] <xnox> hm, i shall re-check if it has already been retried with updated gtest. i thought it was.
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg> let me triple check something
[13:35] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg, I was wondering if it came up in any other bug report before
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I got probably the failure
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> let me see
[13:45] <doko> xnox, seen in more than one package?
[13:45] <xnox> yes, gtest itself and one of its reverse deps
[13:46] <xnox> so far i'm not much help
[13:46] <xnox> fixed dbus-cpp & that should fix biometryd
[14:26] <LocutusOfBorg> hi arm*, do you want pretty please start building stuff?
[17:55] <hjd> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/276634687/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.openhft-lang_6.7.6-1_BUILDING.txt.gz is a build failure with an odd failing test.
[17:56] <hjd> It might be a flaky test, because I've rebuilt locally because while I have been able to trigger it, when I tried to investigate more, it built successfully.
[17:57] <hjd> Any suggestions?
[18:01] <jbicha> yeah I saw that test, now is not now
[18:02] <jbicha> I don't have any advice on it though


[22:12] <genii> bekks: Uppercase X there ;)
[22:12] <asl40mca> is there a way to have more than one desktop running ?
[22:12] <asl40mca> a viritual machine or box?
[22:12] <bekks> genii: Yeah :)
[22:12] <asl40mca> how do i do that
[22:12] <bekks> asl40mca: Install a hypervisor, setup a virtual machine.
[22:13] <BluesKaj> bekks, yeah, it's been a while since i used a static IP , now i remember , resolv.conf was for the dns entries
[22:13] <EMKO> TJ-: when i do that command nothing happens? is that normal
[22:14] <TJ-> EMKO: The "update-initramfs ..." command?
[22:14] <EMKO> TJ-: yea
[22:15] <TJ-> EMKO: No, far from normal. The "v" option should cause it to print a lot of information on what it is doing
[22:16] <EMKO> TJ-: maybe i typed it wrong i will go try again
[22:16] <TJ-> EMKO: OK
[22:16] <hitsujiTMO> EMKO: did you run it with sudo?
[22:16] <amh345> i've got a ubuntu server with a CPU idling between 80-99%. top reveals all cpu% nothing that would be taking up this cpu idle. only a handful of process report cpu usage. and they're all under 1%
[22:16] <amh345> any ideas?
[22:17] <nikcsareb> bekks: FUUUUUUUUUU
[22:17] <nikcsareb> Xorg ignores it
[22:17] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: If its in recovery single-user mode as I suggested, that wouldn't be needed
[22:17] <bitpaul> amh345: occurs each time you reboot?
[22:17] <hitsujiTMO> TJ-: ahh sorry
[22:18] <TJ-> hitsujiTMO: I'd hope it'd throw an error too about no permissions :)
[22:18] <amh345> bitpaul: yes. each time.  i've let it sit for a few minutes to see if it comes back down and it doesn't.
[22:19] <TJ-> amh345: Is it doing a lot of work on the network? Or on RAIDed block devices, maybe?
[22:19] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: can you pastebin: top -n 1
[22:20] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: here is the paste bin for it. http://pastebin.com/qbRhUzii
[22:20] <EMKO> TJ-: hitsujiTMO: i tried with and without nothing happens
[22:20] <bitpaul> amh345: by chance do you have IOTop installed?
[22:20] <amh345> bitpaul: i do not
[22:21] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, that suggests something more is amiss
[22:21] <bitpaul> amh345: and it spikes right away and stays there?
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: can you pastebin the full output, not just the individual entries
[22:22] <amh345> bitpaul: immediately spikes and sits there.
[22:22] <EMKO> bitpaul: all i did was update from 12.04 i think to 12.10 that worked then i whent to 13.04 and this happend
[22:23] <EMKO> bitpaul: sorry wrong person
[22:23] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: pops. my mistake. here is full output. http://pastebin.com/RfwjfZEX
[22:23] <EMKO> TJ-: all i did was update from 12.04 i think to 12.10 that worked then i whent to 13.04 and this happend
[22:23] <bitpaul> EMKO: no worries
[22:23] <TJ-> EMKO: "all I did" is an understatement ... release-upgrades are the most traumatic things that are done, and stringing 2 together is double-trouble :)
[22:24] <EMKO> TJ-: oh i didnt know that
[22:24] <TJ-> EMKO: what we need to do, I think, is see if there's some clues in the system log files in "/var/log/" ... I'm thinking which to check out first.
[22:24] <TJ-> EMKO: At the moment does that system have network access?
[22:24] <nikcsareb> Xorg.conf is not used for input devices by default
[22:25] <nikcsareb> but
[22:25] <EMKO> TJ-: yea everything worng just no unity desktop, it just shows a small window in the middle of my screen with the desktop image
[22:26] <EMKO> works*
[22:26] <ice799> Hi - I know you can use preseeding on ubuntu to automate package installation but is it possible to use preseed.cfg to install build-deps too? For example, I want to automate "apt-get build-dep package" -- is it possible to do this with preseeding? if so, what is the syntax?
[22:26] <res_> hi, i'm using ubuntu 13.10 64 bit. The copy process is taking a lot of cpu, around 90% of it. i'm having an core i3 processor with 4gb of ram. also the process mono takes about 10% of the cpu. i tried searching and found a lot of similar threads in forums but not a solution. is this a bug or is there a solution for it? thanks
[22:26] <Rory> ice799: Not natively, the best thing to do would be to run "apt-get build-dep <package>" yourself and use preseed to install those packages
[22:27] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... if you reboot it and go into the grub menu, and choose a "Recovery" option matching the older kernel you know will boot... that will avoid the graphical user interface. It'll give you a text menu where you can choose to enable networking and then 'drop' to a root shell terminal. From there, you can 'pastebinit' some of the log files... does that sound OK?
[22:27] <ice799> Rory: I see, OK thanks
[22:27] <bitpaul> amh345: does the boot log show anything?
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: that top output looks fairly normal to me
[22:27] <EMKO> TJ-: yea 3.2 recovery drops me to desktop only 3.0 goes to that menu is that ok?
[22:28] <Rory> res_: Are you using full-disk encryption?
[22:28] <TJ-> EMKO: That is fine... the important thing is to get to the text shell with networking enabled
[22:28] <amh345> hitsujiTMO: so the idle is no big deal?
[22:28] <bitpaul> amh345: agreed, I don't see anything weird about the top output
[22:28] <res_> Rory: nop, i am not
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: idle = cpu processing time not being used.
[22:28] <Rory> res_: OK, when you say the copy process, what are you referring to?
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: its normal to have a high idle on a low usage
[22:29] <res_> Rory: I'm copying a bunch of files, a lot of small files, about 400,000 files from my portable hdd to my laptop hdd
[22:29] <amh345> so is idle just "available" cpu resource?
[22:29] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: effectively yes.
[22:30] <TJ-> res: Is the portable HDD connected via USB 2?
[22:30] <bitpaul> amh345: what problem were you attempting to resolve to start with?
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> amh345: more that its cpu time not being allocated to a process
[22:30] <EMKO> TJ-: ok done
[22:31] <TJ-> EMKO: great... first let me see the list of log files itself: "ls -latr /var/log/ | pastebinit"
[22:31] <hitsujiTMO> bitpaul: i think he just misunderstood the idle process
[22:31] <res> sorry, i got disconnected. Rory , the copy dialog has also disappeared for me
[22:31] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm assuming 'pastebinit' is already installed, and the network *is* working!
[22:31] <TJ-> res: Is the portable HDD connected via USB 2?
[22:31] <Rory> res_: OK, when you say the copy process, what are you referring to?
[22:31] <EMKO> TJ-: i have to reinstall it?
[22:31] <bonsu> which desktop environment is better gnome kde or xfsc ?
[22:31] <res> TJ-: yes it is
[22:31] <Rory> res: Sorry, I missed your answer above
[22:32] <bitpaul> hitsujiTMO: ah, I was assuming he thought this was a symptom of something else. I know I can get lost from time to time on secondary issues when I see things I don't quite understand.
[22:32] <TJ-> EMKO: Not if it is already there, no... but if you get an error "command not found" then yes, you will need to install it
[22:32] <res> Rory: no probs, the copy process is just right-click copy-paste
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> bonsu: better in what sense exactly? its a pretty ambiguous term
[22:32] <Rory> res: Is the target filesystem ntfs? There's no native ntfs driver, so I guess copying a very large number of small files to an ntfs filesystem could cause high CPU usage
[22:33] <res> Rory: , no my laptop hdd is ext4
[22:33] <Xgates> hi guys
[22:34] <phenex> anyone knows how to disable the onboard vga in ubuntu??? Don't want to disable it in bios. But when I install drivers for my pcie vga sometimes i get a black screen. Sry for my bad english
[22:34] <bonsu> one that weigh less
[22:34] <TJ-> res: When copying large numbers of files using the GUI, often times the system spends more time building pretty internally lists of all the files it needs to copy, using up valuable RAM, and leading to extremely long-winded copy operations.
[22:34] <EMKO> TJ-: nice ssh is working making it much easier http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653938/
[22:34] <TJ-> EMKO: Yay ... progressQ
[22:34] <bekks> phenex: Disable it in your BIOS.
[22:34] <bonsu> trying arch on virtualbox  hoping i can get advise on the desktop environment
[22:34] <Rory> res: If you want to copy a very large number of files, I recommend looking into the "rsync" command
[22:34] <res> TJ-: so i guess it is just a bug then. any idea about the disappeared copy dialog?
[22:35] <bekks> phenex: Unless you have Nvidia Optimus, you should be able to do so.
[22:35] <Xgates> It's been a while since I've played with Ubuntu, in Dash the sections are called Lens? Like Home Lens, Application Lens, etc...?
[22:35] <res> thanks Rory , i'll take a look on rsync
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: what exactly is the onboard vga? and are you sure thats the cause of your problem? you could blacklist the kernel driver for it.
[22:35] <k1l> Xgates: its called lens and scopes
[22:35] <Rory> !rsync | res
[22:35] <Xgates> ahhh scopes ok I remember that one now... :)
[22:35] <phenex> it's an apu HD4000
[22:35] <TJ-> EMKO: Now show me "ls -latr /var/log/dist-upgrade/ | pastebinit"
[22:35] <bhldev> for nvidia optimus use bumblebee I figured it out last week
[22:35] <Xgates> How can I remove the Social one?
[22:35] <phenex> desktop pc
[22:36] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: and what gpu is it?
[22:36] <phenex> the apu is an HD4000 and the pcie card is an nvida gtx80
[22:36] <k1l> Xgates: open the application lense, scroll down and select the scope you want to disable, click disable
[22:36] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653948/
[22:36] <phenex> sry gtx680
[22:36] <res> thanks Rory , i'll keep it in mind next time i copy large number of files
[22:36] <TJ-> res: disappearing dialog... no ideas! I always use a shell to do file operations
[22:37] <bhldev> shit was going to pimp my blog but didn't write about the stuff I did with bumblebee
[22:37] <res> ah okay. thanks TJ-
[22:37] <k1l> Xgates: http://askubuntu.com/questions/363912/how-to-remove-amazon-and-ubuntu-one-music
[22:37] <bhldev> it wasn't much anyway I think I just followed the ubuntu guide to install bumblebee
[22:37] <bhldev> for "optimus"
[22:37] <TJ-> EMKO: OK now "pastebinit /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log"
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> phelix: under no circumstances should the apu be the cause of the issue with the gpu. what driver exactly are you using. you may simply need the nomodeset kernel param
[22:37] <Jodo> Hello! Ubuntu will help me with my wife to have children?
[22:37] <marjinal1st> hi i'm using ubuntu 13.10, I can't link my twitter on gnome online accounts. its returning some ssl error on console like this: "credentials-cc-panel-CRITICAL **: cc-credentials-authorization-page.vala:182: Error completing auth session process: GDBus.Error:com.google.code.AccountsSSO.SingleSignOn.Error.Ssl: The issuer certificate of a locally looked up certificate could not be found;The root CA certificate is not trusted for this purpose;" How can i
[22:37] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: ^^
[22:38] <Xgates> not sure about this disable you  mention where it's at I want to uninstall the Social Lens...
[22:38] <k1l> Jodo: that is offtopic here, please ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | phenex
[22:38] <phenex> i installed the nvidia-331 from the xorg ppa
[22:38] <k1l> Xgates: see the askubuntu link
[22:38] <Jodo> u ask
[22:38] <Rory> Jodo: Sure, take a look at "Periodic Calendar", a GUI application which assists in women menstrual cycles tracking and fertility periods prediction. http://linuxorg.sourceforge.net/
[22:38] <Xgates> I'm looking thanks...
[22:38] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6653955/
[22:39] <phenex> the problem is only when i activate the apu
[22:39] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: is this a laptop or desktop?
[22:39] <Okitain> Rory: i had no idea that the question was serious
[22:39] <Rory> Okitain: I assume it wasn't, but thought I'd answer as if it were.
[22:40] <phenex> its an desktop pc bumblebee only works with laptop optimus support
[22:40] <Rory> Okitain: Don't feed the trolls and all that
[22:40] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: if you wish you csould try blacklisting i915
[22:40] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm reading it... might be a few minutes
[22:40] <EMKO> TJ-: its ok
[22:40] <gordonjcp> Okitain: you never know.  You really, really never know.
[22:41]  * TJ- awards Rory the Terry Pratchett Subtle Humour Award :p
[22:41] <phenex> i tryed alread to blacklist video it seems to be the module but after kerlnerl update i had the same problem
[22:43] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: its its happening after a kernel update then the issue is most likely with dkms not recompiling the nvidia kernel module after the upgrade
[22:43] <phenex> yeah then i tryed to reinstall the nvidia driver again from console but on boot i still got a black screen
[22:44] <bekks> phenex: Because you have to use bumblebee to disable the Intel APU and activate the Nvidia GPU.
[22:44] <hitsujiTMO> bekks: its a desktop not laptop
[22:45] <rizmut> Hello everyone
[22:45] <Xgates> Disable Social is not what I'm trying to do, this doesn't work, anyone know how to uninstall the Social lens if that's possible?
[22:45] <phenex> ok i try bumblebee again an search the web for a workaround again
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: have you booted the system now?
[22:45] <Jodo> http://ubuntusatanic.org/wallpapers/SE-Kristanna_Loken.jpg
[22:46] <phenex> yes with disabled apu
[22:46] <rizmut> I've installed Ubuntu 12.04.3 64 bit in Lenovo G450 system
[22:46]  * Xgates trys sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-xxx
[22:46] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: are you at the cli now or graphical DE?
[22:46] <Rory> Xgates: that would be unity-lens-*
[22:47] <rizmut> actually this is first time I want to use 64 versiob
[22:47] <rizmut> version
[22:47] <phenex> yes i'm from de
[22:47] <k1l> Xgates: did you look into the privacy settings?
[22:47] <k1l> in system settings?
[22:47] <phenex> graphical
[22:47] <Xgates> yes I turned off for the privacy but that's not what I want, I have no need for a Social section/lens...
[22:48] <k1l> phenex: DE means DesktopEnviroment
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> phenex: damn. it would be good to see the Xorg log + dmesg from when you get the black screen
[22:48] <rizmut> and I've added some PPAs (including Kazam PPA)
[22:48] <phenex> ok lol
[22:48] <rizmut> but sadly my Totem, Cheese and Gstreamer related application could not work properly
[22:49] <rizmut> I couldn't play any video play using Totem or Gloobus Preview
[22:49] <Xgates> I really wish Canocial didn't install all these lens/scopes and left it up to the end-user to pick and choose, and if Canocial is so persitant on it, then let the end user pick and choose them during the Install of Ubuntu
[22:49] <Xgates> Rory: not following you? apt-get remove unity-lens-social doesn't work...
[22:49] <k1l> Xgates: dont make a drama out of it. disable the online search in privacy settings and all is fine
[22:49] <Xgates> k1l: ypu
[22:49] <Xgates> errrr
[22:50] <Xgates> k1l: you're not following me... this isn't about Search results I'm talking about removing things I don't need/use
[22:50] <k1l> Xgates: then remove the lenses you dont want: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=saucy&searchon=names&keywords=unity-lens
[22:50] <Xgates> I don't need a Social section in Dash and would like to remove it...
[22:50] <glitsj16> Xgates: i think you're refering to the unity-lens-friends
[22:50] <Guest90938> hey guys
[22:51] <Xgates> yes I'm trying, been following some things been reading online, not sure which one works for it...
[22:51] <Rory> You can set a more friendly nickname with the "/nick" command - for example to change my name to Rory I typed "/nick Rory" (without the quotes) Guest90938
[22:51] <demon^eye> any good translator like babylon for Ubuntu ?
[22:51] <Guest90938> how do i change name
[22:51] <Xgates> ok friends thx I'll try that...
[22:51] <k1l> but dont come here and make a drama just because you heard some hardliners talking about some things they dont like
[22:51] <Xgates> thanks guys
[22:52] <Rory> demon^eye: Take a look at Artha (sudo apt-get install artha)
[22:52] <Guest90938> how can i get online without a browser
[22:52] <demon^eye> Rory,  : i will try ... i am new to linux :)
[22:52] <Xgates> is purge still better for getting everything out on an install instead of remove, or both doing the same? apt-get purge/remove?
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: "get online" what do you mean?
[22:53] <k1l> !apt | Xgates
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Xgates: purge is all you need
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: A browser (firefox) is included with Ubuntu
[22:53] <Guest90938> can't go online internet explorer won't let me
[22:53] <Xgates> ok wasn't sure if anything change with apt in regards to purge and remove, I always read purge is to really clean out...
[22:53] <Xgates> thx
[22:53] <Rory> Guest90938: This is Ubuntu support
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Guest90938: also a browser w3m is included with ubuntu-server
[22:54] <Xgates> brb thc again guys..
[22:54] <phenex> i installed bumblebee now anyone knows how to disable the apu graphics
[22:54] <Rory> Xgates: purge also removes configuration files provided by the program, even if you modified them
[22:56] <jaime> Hey Phenex I am on Ubuntu 12.04 i have 2 gpu but i had to do nothing when i installed my os i check on so it can install updates and third parties update and when it was done it booted ubuntu running on my nvidia i don't have to use bumbble bee to switch to nvidia
[22:56] <demon^eye> Rory, : artha cant translate to other languages
[22:56] <demon^eye> its only english ...
[22:57] <phenex> hmmm
[22:57] <demon^eye> i am looking for software like babylon
[22:57] <darkblue_b> does someone know.. how to "pin" with apt.. in the case of a repo called ppa:johanvdw/osgeolive
[22:57] <darkblue_b> the variations I just tried did not work
[22:57] <Rory> oh sorry demon^eye I misread an answer on answers.ubuntu.com - frankly I'd just use Google Translate
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: what exactly do you want to pin?
[22:57] <Rory> demon^eye: for a GUI there's gnome-translate
[22:58] <demon^eye> Rory,  : cool mate 10x
[22:58] <TJ-> EMKO: Slight delay; launchpad has issues with openid log-in preventing me from downloading the full pastebin file!
[22:58] <Bashing-om> .win 3
[22:58] <eoij> k1l:  I AM BACK :D
[22:59] <EMKO> TJ-:  its alright take your time
[22:59] <eoij> k1l: I damaged and repaired everything at the same time, in just _10_ hours of pure desperation
[22:59] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: a package named postgis is in apt.postgresql.org  .. but our Linux system has its own build, so I want to take the package named postgis from this johanvdw repo
[22:59] <eoij> k1l: I don't know how, but even Sudoku is now installed :D
[23:00] <darkblue_b> "the output of apt-cache policy will give you pinning hints" I have heard recently
[23:00] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy
[23:01] <rizmut> demon^eye: you could give GoldenDict a try
[23:01] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: lol, yup, it give your current pinning config and the possible entries in relation to specifying a repo
[23:02] <TJ-> darkblue_b: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[23:02] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.debian.net/72913/
[23:03] <darkblue_b> TJ-: thank you , but a quick scan of that document doesnt help me (yet)
[23:03] <darkblue_b> I guess I dont understand what counts as a wildcard for the -t
[23:03] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: is it just that 1 package you want?
[23:03] <darkblue_b> I think so..
[23:04] <jaime> im so bored anybody know a good shooting game?
[23:04] <TJ-> EMKO: Back in business :)
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache show postgis
[23:05] <TJ-> darkblue_b: You might want "apt-mark hold ..." instead
[23:05] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: http://paste.debian.net/72914/
[23:07] <darkblue_b> TJ-: no clue...
[23:07] <darkblue_b> I know there are two packages called postgis in the repos, which conflict.. but I dont see how to read those pasted outputs yet
[23:08] <[[thufir]]> how do I authetnitcate my username?
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: this should work for you. it will not install the other packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654092/
[23:08] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, I need "pastebinit /var/log/syslog.1"
[23:08] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: huh?
[23:08] <darkblue_b> what do I do ?
[23:09] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: save that to a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d
[23:09] <darkblue_b> oh gee.. ok I can try
[23:10] <darkblue_b> ultimately, there is a series of 100 scripts that run to build our linux setup.. and I am tasking myself with understanding this.. so we want a scripted solution.. if adding a file like that to /etc/apt/preferences.d is the right thing....
[23:11] <darkblue_b> .. it seems that sets all other packages in johanvdw to priority -10 and then sets the one package postgis up high...
[23:11] <darkblue_b> we do not have the finalized repo yet.. this is all very alpha
[23:12] <darkblue_b> the johan himself suggested briely that we disable apt.postgresql.org at the install time
[23:12] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: well that's how you configure apt-pinning. i've given everything in that repo a negative priority so it will not install those packages. and postgis is given a higher priority so that it will be chosen above the other repos. is that what you were looking for?
[23:12] <darkblue_b> that seeems hacky too
[23:12] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: I appreciate any tips of course...
[23:13] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654119/
[23:13] <darkblue_b> we have been building for several years and the 2013 releases were quite good.. so its not a big waste here.. but this package is new, so I am learning a bit
[23:13] <darkblue_b> thx for your patience
[23:14] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: you shouldn't need to disable the repos, just prioritise the packages from your preffered repo
[23:14] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: yeah - thats what I guessed
[23:16] <yellow> Hi
[23:16] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: when you have conflicting packages its good to set the unwanted pages to a lower priority (or negative priority preferably) and only prioritise the necessary packages above all else. issues ofcouse do arise when there's dependencies involved and you may need to set priorities for a number of pckages
[23:16] <yellow> is this true : Famous software activist Richard Stallman has accused Ubuntu developers Canonical of ignoring the privacy of its users
[23:17] <yellow> sending User data to Canonical Servers
[23:17] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | yellow
[23:18] <bekks> yellow: Yes, it is true that Mr. Stallman accused Ubuntu of doing so. Yes, it is true that Mr. Stallman didnt understand how to uninstall unwanted software as a user. </my2cents>
[23:19] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: hmm
[23:23] <TJ-> EMKO: I'm not seeing any clues so far. What I see shows an upgrade from Quantal to Raring, and a successful boot around 14:00 this afternoon, followed by installing the HP Deskjet 3050A printer driver just before 15:00
[23:24] <TJ-> EMKO: show me "pastebinit /var/log/syslog"
[23:25] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654177/
[23:25] <darkblue_b> hitsujiTMO: this is how I wrote it up.. thx for your assist  http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/1272
[23:25] <darkblue_b> others will confer on this in the next days..
[23:26] <hitsujiTMO> darkblue_b: seems about right. hopefully that will do for its purpose.
[23:26] <kieppie> howdy
[23:27] <kieppie> I have an HP Envy laptop, running 13.10 on it. I
[23:27] <kieppie> I'm a pretty seasoned Ubuntu user, but the experience on this host is absolutely downright aweful. not sure if it's the OS or hardware
[23:28] <TJ-> EMKO: What does this show? "file $(which update-initramfs)"
[23:28] <kieppie> power management blows - but admittedly it's never been gear with linux to begin with - touchscreen so-so, etc
[23:28] <kieppie> any experienced users about able/willing to help, please?
[23:28] <EMKO> TJ-: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: symbolic link to `/bin/true'
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: what hardware?
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: ouch!
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: it should show "usr/sbin/update-initramfs: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable"
[23:29] <TJ-> EMKO: "ls -latr /usr/sbin/ | pastebinit"
[23:30] <adas> hi, anyone here good with crontab?
[23:30] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | adas
[23:30] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654205/
[23:30] <adas>  i made it so flexget runs on a specific day at specific hours using crontab and it worked on one computer, but on another I get this in my mail: "/bin/sh: 1: flexget: not found" why is this?
[23:30] <kieppie> hi hitsujiTMO:  HP ENVY TS 15 Notebook PC (E3A57PA#ABG) - I popped the W8 HDD & dropped in a SSD
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: what cpu and gpu?
[23:31] <adas> if I manually run flexget on that same computer it works well, but not with crontab
[23:31] <constl> Would you recommend nfs or samba for a home network consisting of windows, macs and ubuntus?
[23:32] <TJ-> EMKO: OK, I'm getting an idea of what is wrong. For some reason part of the release upgrade process failed half-way
[23:33] <TJ-> EMKO: Try this: "file /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib"
[23:33] <hitsujiTMO> constl: samba. less compatibly issues. maybe nfs if the windows machines are windows enterprise
[23:34] <glitsj16> adas: did you use full path to the flexget executable?
[23:34] <hitsujiTMO> adas: can you paste the exact line from crontab that you entered.
[23:34] <EMKO> TJ-: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
[23:34] <kieppie> hitsujiTMO:  4x AMD A8-5550M APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics,
[23:34] <adas> glitsj16: no I didnt, but I didnt have to on the other computer also.
[23:34] <TJ-> EMKO: Let's fix that now. "rm /usr/sbin/update-initramfs && mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:34] <constl> hitsujiTMO: ok thanks!
[23:35] <adas> hitsujiTMO: 1 11-23 * * thu flexget
[23:35] <kostkon> kieppie, install the amd driver, if it's possible, it may improve power usage
[23:36] <Bootcamp> Hello which version of Ubuntu ISO do I need to download for MAcBookPro 2013 on a Bootcamp Partition.  64 bit PC or 64 bit Mac
[23:36] <Bootcamp> Also if it was VMware instead which one?
[23:36] <hitsujiTMO> adas: as glitsj16 pointed out. you must specify the full path to flexget.    cron doesn't have a $PATH set
[23:36] <kieppie> kostkon: I have & kept it current. It did improve things a little, but power-management & power-consumption overall is pretty horrendous. TBH it's an issue that I've always seen around the Linux-watercooler
[23:37] <adas> hitsujiTMO: ok, but it worked on other computer, maybe cus it runs suse
[23:37] <adas> hitsujiTMO: how do I find the path to flexget :o?
[23:37] <EMKO> TJ-:  ok done
[23:37] <TJ-> EMKO: after that, lets rebuild the initial RAM disk images (the /boot/initrd* files) ... "update-initramfs -uvk all >/tmp/update01.log 2>&1" then "pastebinit /tmp/update01.log"
[23:37] <cvtsx> So using is using the windows installer not considered installing ubuntu?
[23:37] <jaime> Kieppie u should of got a hp with nvidia :)
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO:  you should be seeing a lot of output scrolling away now
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: unfortunately radeondriver powermanagent doesnt see a propper improvement until the release of kernel 3.13. till then, the proprietary driver is needed for powermanagement
[23:38] <EMKO> TJ-: -bash: 1 then pastebinit: ambiguous redirect
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> adas: which flexget
[23:38] <EMKO> TJ-: oops
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO: :p
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO: yeah, two separate commands there
[23:38] <TJ-> EMKO:  let the first finish then pastebinit the log file
[23:38] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: wubi?
[23:39] <kieppie>  jaime: I really wanter the intel/nvidia combo, but they were sold out at the time & I had to settle for this one, as my old laptop died a flaming death in the middle of a critical job.
[23:39] <Bootcamp> Hello I am using Unebootin to create a Live USB Ubuntu v13.10 on a Flash Drive, but its for a MacBookPro 2013.  I may install either on Bootcamp partition or Vmware.  WHich version of the ISO is bets the 64 bit PC or 64 bit Mac?
[23:39] <Bootcamp> Does it matter?
[23:39] <kieppie> hitsujiTMO: you suspect general power-issues could be down to the GPU, essentially?
[23:40] <cvtsx> yes wubi
[23:40] <glitsj16> adas: the flexget wiki has all what you need --> http://flexget.com/wiki/InstallWizard/Linux/Environment/FlexGet/Scheduling
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> kieppie: yes, in general radeon driver power management sucks.
[23:40] <kieppie> :/ why does that not surprise me.....
[23:40] <EMKO> TJ-: i think i messed something up on the remove and move http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654254/
[23:41] <EMKO> TJ-:  it was asking for permission so i did sudo but i think something whent wrong
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: its not advised to use wubi. its certainly not a real install
[23:41] <jaime> Kieppie sorry to hear that. Yea I have a HP Envy Dv7 running Ubuntu 12.04. I have a Nvidia Geforce GT 630M with dedicated 2gb. Fantastic laptop. But I had so much of laptop with ATI gpu. I do not get along with ATI :(
[23:41] <adas> thanks
[23:41] <TJ-> EMKO: Ahhh... I thought you were already the root user. do "sudo -i"  ... then you can redo the commands:
[23:42] <jaime> My INTEL gpu is disable automatically and I didn't do anything. LOL
[23:42] <TJ-> EMKO: ... "rm /usr/sbin/update-initramfs && mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:42] <kieppie> hmmmmm - maybe I should try & see if I can take this have for a swap-out......
[23:42] <cvtsx> hitsujiTMO: Do you advise i uninstall my current instalation and do it manually then?
[23:42] <kieppie> thanks guys. I'll maybe try & see if they come to the party, otherwise buy a new one....
[23:43] <glitsj16> adas: as the wiki explains, don't forget to add the --cron switch to the flexget command or you run the risk of ending up with a messed-up database
[23:43] <EMKO> TJ-: rm: cannot remove ‘/usr/sbin/update-initramfs’: No such file or directory
[23:43] <TJ-> EMKO: better check what those files are now, it looks like we've got confused! "ls -latr /usr/sbin/update-initramfs*"
[23:43] <EMKO> TJ-: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9164 May 31  2012 /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx: yes. wubi stands for (Will Ultimately Break It). best to remove it and downsize you windows partition, then install from the disk
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: OK...
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: ... "mv /usr/sbin/update-initramfs.distrib /usr/sbin/update-initramfs"
[23:44] <TJ-> EMKO: and now test it using "update-initramfs -h"
[23:45] <jaime> Kieppie how much u paid for ur laptop?
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: You should see the help options
[23:45] <EMKO> TJ-: yea
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: Yay :D
[23:45] <TJ-> EMKO: "update-initramfs -uvk all >/tmp/update01.log 2>&1"      then, after it is finished:    "pastebinit /tmp/update01.log"
[23:46] <TJ-> EMKO: *now* you should see a lot of messages scrolling away
[23:46] <cvtsx> ok
[23:46] <EMKO> TJ-: didnt show but there is a log
[23:46] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654279/
[23:47] <TJ-> EMKO: of course... silly me... getting tired... everything was redirected to the log file!!
[23:47] <Sia-> hi, with a HP laptop originally wuth ubuntu 12.4, i 'll install other distro, each time i get Black screen.
[23:47] <TJ-> EMKO: And that reveals you're missing some kernel versions!
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> Sia-: what gpu?
[23:48] <TJ-> EMKO: "dpkg-query -l 'linux*' | pastebinit"
[23:48] <deadmund> Sia-: If you're trying to install another distro.  You need to ask for support in the channel for that distro
[23:48] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654291/
[23:49] <pvl1> is there a log file for apt-get
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: /var/log/apt/*
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: Next time just check out /var/log/<what you're looking for>
[23:49] <pvl1> oh that would make sense wouldnt it. thanks deadmund
[23:49] <TJ-> EMKO: "   echo -n "$(df)\n$(ls -latr /boot/)" | pastebinit   "
[23:49] <deadmund> pvl1: :)
[23:50] <TJ-> EMKO: correction: "   echo -e "$(df)\n$(ls -latr /boot/)" | pastebinit   "
[23:50] <Sia-> deadmund, ok i will try to install ubuntu 13.10 the same thing native install or upgrade
[23:50] <Sia-> hitsujiTMO, intel
[23:50] <EMKO> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654301/
[23:51] <Bootcamp> WHat is the deal with Ubuntu v13.10 ISO versions 64 bit PC and 64 bit Mac?  IS the PC version obviously for PC and older macs still with intel chipsets or what?
[23:51] <deadmund> Sia-: Have you tried using nomodeset
[23:51] <deadmund> ?
[23:51] <Sia-> deadmund, you mean in the kernel option?
[23:51] <deadmund> Sia-: Yes.
[23:52] <Sia-> ok, it's with E at the boot right?
[23:52] <deadmund> Sia-: That's the usual answer.  Here is a much more extensive web page on the issue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen
[23:52] <constl> I'm trying to chmod a folder with chmod 0755 <foldername> and nothing happens. What am i doing wrong?
[23:52] <deadmund> Sia-: yes, press 'e' at the grub screen.
[23:52] <hitsujiTMO> Bootcamp: afaik the mac specific one if to cater for mac efi
[23:52] <deadmund> constl: 0755 will create rwxr-xr-x  is that what your want? (are you using -R recursive)
[23:53] <Sia-> deadmund, that is my first laptop from 2006 :-)
[23:53] <deadmund> Sia-: awesome :)
[23:53] <Bootcamp> thanks hitsujiTMO,  SO for a MacbookPro 2103 using either vmware or bootcamp should I download the Mac version then?
[23:53] <constl> deadmund: its a samba share so yeah i want anonymous access. I'm not using -R cause there are no folder beneath that folder yet
[23:54] <Sia-> deadmund, that is my first laptop from 2006 :-))
[23:54] <Sia-> i mean my last laptop got in 2006 , at this time was no UEFI and co :-
[23:54] <hitsujiTMO> not for bootcamp or vmware. both avoid mac efi.
[23:54] <deadmund> constl: Samba shares do not follow unix file permissions (because windows doesn't).  Permissions are set in the samba configuration I believe.
[23:55] <Sia-> Bootcamp, forget about it, it's no success at all to try install another OS on apple machines
[23:55] <gordonjcp> Sia-: hm?
[23:55] <Sia-> Virtualbox can better help you
[23:55] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | Sia-
[23:56] <Bootcamp> Ah ok so I need the PC version if I go with either of those type of partition schemes?  So the Mac ISO version I would use for example if I wanted to wipe the Mac OSX and install ubuntu directly to the drive?
[23:56] <gordonjcp> Sia-: so, you can't run Ubuntu on Apple Macs?
[23:56] <Sia-> sorry want to say my opinion with apple machines for almost 5 years
[23:56] <Bootcamp> I just need Ubuntu on the Mac to configure and compile Android Roms
[23:56] <TJ-> EMKO: "ls -latr /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ | pastebinit"
[23:56] <constl> deadmund: You are right there is mask directive in the configuraton. After following some guides on the net i successfuly set up a share folder in the default /srv/samba/share path. After changing it to something different i.e. an external drive i could not log as previously. After examing the folder permissions the default path has owner root and 0755 and the latter just 700. So I'm trying to change the latter but cant with chmod
[23:57] <Bootcamp> and this MacBookPro is fast 1TB PCIe drive and 16GB ram and Haswell fastest mobile processor
[23:57] <Sia-> gordonjcp, you can but.....aha ok let's try it maybe other ppl are cleaver than me
[23:57] <jaime> Hey deadmund you rang my bells I have a Window 2008 server It's acting as a file server I'm able to share to my other Windows machine but neither my Linux machines able to access the drive.
[23:57] <EMKO> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6654321/
[23:57] <gordonjcp> Sia-: Macbooks are the best laptops for running Linux...
[23:57] <hitsujiTMO> Bootcamp: i'm not 100% sure since i don't have a mac, but i believe the intention for the mac iso is for a non bootcamp install, such as replacing or dualbooting in a more native fashion
[23:58] <Bootcamp> I see
[23:58] <gordonjcp> you really want refind
[23:58] <TJ-> EMKO: OK... there's a problem. In that directory should be listed all the installed kernels, but only a single old kernel is listed, so update-initramfs isn't processing the newer kernels
[23:58] <Bootcamp> That makes more sense
[23:58] <Bootcamp> thanks
[23:58] <gordonjcp> stick refind on it, that'll help
[23:58] <TJ-> EMKO: I just need to test a fix for that here
[23:58] <Sia-> gordonjcp, as i say i have 3 apple machines home i'm using linux on 2 of them, each upgrade update i should retouch some system file.
[23:58] <EMKO> TJ-: is it because im using this kernal right now?
[23:58] <pvl1> im getting some errors running dpkg -P, says subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[23:59] <gordonjcp> Sia-: you must be doing something wrong
[23:59] <deadmund> constl: If the external drive is mounted in a folder (and it's not an ext formatted drive).  You need to unmount the drive, chmod the folder, and then mount the drive again into that folder.
[23:59] <TJ-> EMKO: no, it's because the upgrade failed at some point
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> pvl1: you'll need to paste the full output


[17:02] <cjohnston> daker: ping
[17:06] <daker> cjohnston: pong
[17:07] <cjohnston> daker: on http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/smokeng/saucy/image/638/camera-app-autopilot/68414/  is it possible to make the li's under 'artifacts' space based upon the text in the li
[17:07] <cjohnston> say we have a really long file name, it would need more space, and the first column can really use less space
[17:19] <daker> cjohnston: i think you should use this structure http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993500/
[17:20] <daker> you'll have the list sidebyside with float:left
[17:20] <cjohnston> daker: I need it to auto wrap because I have no defined number of files
[17:20] <daker> then the width of each ul will depends on the bigger element on it
[17:20] <daker> cjohnston: yes
[17:22] <daker> {% if forloop.counter|divisibleby:X %}
[17:23] <daker> then will need to find the X since you only have 3 lists
[17:23] <daker> x = numbers_of_file/3
[17:27] <daker> cjohnston: ^
[17:32] <daker> cjohnston: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5993533/
[18:07] <cjohnston> daker: with that, how do I get the ul's side by side
[19:20] <daker> ul.files { float: left;}
[19:20] <daker> jamestunnicliffe:
[19:21] <daker> opps wrong tab :)
[19:21] <daker> cjohnston: ^


[02:22] <Mez> grr @ k3b
[09:48] <opi> morning
[09:49] <uniq> morning opi.
[09:57] <JRe> good morning !
[09:58] <uniq> hi jre.
[10:10] <dholbach> hey
[10:11] <dholbach> just wanted to tell: i think we're going to switch to  http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/index.py (explanation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU)  for reviews soon
[10:11] <dholbach> the world will be a better place afterwards :)
[10:15] <JRe> dholbach: cool :)
[10:15] <dholbach> yeah the wiki was a mess
[10:15] <dholbach> if you meet siretart, be sure to pay him a beer :)
[10:15] <JRe> dholbach: sure! moreover when there was many person in the same time doing a reviez :)
[10:16] <JRe> dholbach: i'll grat him on motu
[10:16] <dholbach> yeah and commenting was a pain
[10:16] <dholbach> it's still in development, but it'll rock in no time
[10:17] <JRe> dholbach: i am wainting with impatience for the lintian/linda/pbuilder automatic test :)
[10:18] <dholbach> haha, you should do that yourself at home already ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> bbl
[10:20] <JRe> dholbach: ;)
[10:35] <JRe> allee, Riddell : kay v0.4.0 -> http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/devel/kay <- huge ameliorations
[10:35] <allee> JRe: morning
[10:36] <JRe> allee: morning :)
[10:36] <allee> JRe: I'll give kay 0.4 a try tonight
[10:37] <JRe> allee: i wait for your feedback! all that you have requested is in it!
[10:39] <allee> JRe: Whow! Pitty that I have to work for life first.
[10:40] <JRe> allee: lol
[03:38] <uniq> riddell: ping.
[03:38] <Riddell> uniq: hi
[03:39] <uniq> i have kde 3.4.1 debs for amd64.
[03:39] <uniq> kdevelop is missing.. that's all.
[03:39] <Riddell> groovy
[03:39] <uniq> and i'm compiling kdepim hoary2 now.
[03:39] <uniq> to close 8221
[03:39] <uniq> +#
[03:40] <uniq> i'm compiling from a livecd so it's -very- slow.
[03:40] <Riddell> well done
[03:40] <uniq> there are also updated ppc packages to close #8221
[03:41] <uniq> if you just copy the diff from my repo and compile the i386 packages. we've closed it in all arches :)
[03:43] <uniq> it's all under http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/
[03:43] <uniq> the amd64 packages are not tested, but it's buildt in a clean pbuilder setup.
[03:47] <uniq> i've also done some work on ipodslave. separating the header files into it's own package. didn't bother to make a package for each lib. it would be 3 packages with 2 files in each..
[03:48] <uniq> got some more cleaning up to do before i publish that package.. though.
[03:51] <uniq> and i'm also looking at kio-apt but it don't know if we want it. it's just searching like apt-cache does.. and kynaptic already does that.. in a way. no options to install packages or anything.
[03:52] <uniq> might just get confusing to be able to do the same things 10 different places.
[04:43] <Riddell> uniq: yes, kio-apt is wanted.  I think kalyxo already packages
[04:43] <Riddell> uniq: poke me if I don't get round to looking at your amd64 and kdepim packages today, currently in the middle of hal fun
[05:22] <uniq> riddell: ok, i have kio-apt packaged already. just have to do some ubuntu spesific changes. make a patch to use packages.ubuntu.com instead of packages.debian.org, and remove some of the arches. etc. enjoy the hal fun.
[05:38] <pef> hello
[05:39] <Riddell> hello pef
[05:45] <Riddell> hello spierrel
[05:46] <spierrel> Hi...
[05:47] <spierrel> Oh... There is also, I find the time the work of Christian Marillat which needs to be available for kubuntu...
[05:47] <spierrel> The good thing is that I can ask him how he did the job (we live in the same city...)
[05:48] <Riddell> spierrel: I think backports may be doing Marillat stuff
[05:48] <spierrel> Yes, should be enough...
[05:49] <Riddell> maybe Mez knows
[05:49] <spierrel> Ok...
[05:49] <Mez> ...?
[05:50] <Riddell> Mez: is backports doing marillat?  or was that just malitious rumours I heard?
[05:51] <Mez> on fone
[05:52] <spierrel> ...:))
[05:52] <JRe> lol
[05:52] <Mez> backports have taken a coouple of things from marillat and rebuilt for hoary... but thats all
[05:53] <JRe> Mez: what sort of things ?
[05:53] <Mez> acroread I think
[05:54] <Mez> I'm not too familiar with marillat
[05:54] <Mez> so you need to ask JohnDong not me
[05:54] <spierrel> Just a stupid question not to sleep dumb tonight: there are no binaries of breezy? Only the deb-src seems to work for me...
[05:54] <Riddell> spierrel: certainly are binaries
[05:54] <JRe> Mez: oki :)
[05:54] <spierrel> Riddell: May you give me your apt line for the binaries...
[05:54] <uniq> spierrel: depends on your architecture i guess.
[05:55] <spierrel> A i386 compatible... (PIV 2,4 Ghz - 1,5 Gb RAM)...
[05:55] <Riddell> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[05:55] <Mez> why do you ask JRe?
[05:56] <spierrel> After, I have a G3 to compile for...
[05:56] <JRe> no because there is some packages of Marillat which have license issues IIRC
[05:56] <spierrel> Riddell: It works...
[05:56] <Mez> ah fair enough
[05:56] <Mez> well backports will have to be rebuilt anyways
[05:57] <Mez> for sdtuff to do with the buildd
[05:57] <spierrel> About the packages of Christian, some of them have issue and that's why they are not in the main stream... and the main servers...
[05:57] <JRe> that's why i thinked
[05:57] <JRe> s/why/what/
[05:57] <spierrel> But they are plainly useful... For example the w32codecs...
[05:58] <Mez> w32codecs = in backports
[05:58] <spierrel> Good news!
[05:58] <JRe> ;)
[05:59] <spierrel> Ok... If it can be useful, I will check what is not done and tell you what I can work on... (kmldonkey, kmymoney2, kdissert...)
[05:59] <Mez> I think it might be in the hoary-extra actually
[05:59] <JRe> but w32codec can be in official ubuntu repo ?
[06:00] <Mez> ??
[06:00] <JRe> IIRC on debian it's not on the official repo you have to add the personnal marillat website to get it
[06:00] <Mez> thats rtue about debian
[06:00] <spierrel> Mez, JRe: It should be checked (about w32codec)
[06:00] <JRe> because some of them are illegal
[06:00] <spierrel> JRe: Why illegal?
[06:00] <JRe> license
[06:01] <JRe> like the thing to read dvd i don't know if it's legal ;)
[06:01] <Mez> everything will be cecked... we still need to sort stuff out with TB and CC about Backports yet, we havent got things finalised properly
[06:01] <spierrel> JRe: It depens the place you live! We are French and it's legal for us...
[06:01] <JRe> spierrel: ok!
[06:01] <Mez> spierrel, hence multiverse :D
[06:02] <spierrel> But I agree with you if you live in the States or may be GB...
[06:02] <Mez> hence multiverse ....
[06:02] <Mez> *yawns*#
[06:02] <Mez> anyways ...
[06:02] <Mez> Im suire TB and CC will sort all this out with us :D
[06:02] <Mez> so... for now
[06:02] <Mez> to bed!
[06:02] <spierrel> Ok... Your version of kexi is quite old... I will install the source and build the last stable version (0.9)...
[06:02] <JRe> Mez: i am not worried to ;)
[06:03] <spierrel> Mez: where do you live?
[06:03] <Mez> UK
[06:03] <Mez> my gf is ere
[06:03] <spierrel> Ok... :))
[06:03] <JRe> Mez: in shot you live where your girlfrien id ;)
[06:03] <JRe> s/id/is/
[06:03] <JRe> s/shot/short/
[06:04] <spierrel> I build the 0.9...
[06:49] <Riddell> w32codecs isn't legal anywhere
[07:03] <JRe> Riddell: that's why i thinked
[07:04] <froud> anyone got any good documents on shell scripting with DCOP?
[07:04] <Riddell> froud: what do you want to do?
[07:06] <froud> learn DCOP
[07:06] <froud> I just discovered it :-)
[07:06] <JRe> how it's not reserved to shell script
[07:06] <JRe> you can also call it from a regular application
[07:06] <froud> so tought there may be some good docs to get me going
[07:07] <froud> JRe: that's my point I dont know what I can do with it :-)
[07:07] <JRe> froud: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/dcopiface/dcop-interface.html
[07:07] <JRe> to create an interface
[07:07] <JRe> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-dcop/index.html?ca=dgr-kdeml01KDEDCOP
[07:07] <JRe> to use it  ;)
[07:08] <froud> JRe: thanks dude
[07:08] <JRe> froud: you're welcome ;)
[07:09] <JRe> froud: after you can read some source code of app using dcop
[07:10] <JRe> froud: kdcop is a good start point ;)
[07:11] <JRe> (i am reading libkonq at the moment it's very educative!)
[07:32] <elmo> Riddell: eh, why split out the mp3 thing?
[07:32] <Riddell> elmo: because we can't have mp3 in main
[07:34] <Riddell> previous builds didn't have mp3 decoding at all, which is complained about a lot
[07:34] <elmo> Riddell: says who?
[07:34] <elmo> there's existing precedent for mp3 in main
[07:34] <elmo> decode, obviously
[07:34] <Riddell> elmo: mdz
[07:35] <Riddell> same reason we have akode-mpeg package
[07:36] <pef> Should I use debhelper or cdbs to build packages for kubuntu ? Some people advise me to use cdbs, what's your point of view ?
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: personal prefernece.  cdbs hides a lot of what's going on which can be tidy or can be obscure
[07:37] <elmo> Riddell: would k3b be on the kubuntu CD?
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: if you're just starting with packaging you should learn debhelper stuff first
[07:37] <Riddell> elmo: yes
[07:37] <pef> so there are no recommendations ?
[07:37] <elmo> Riddell: ok, but the point is not that we can't have mp3 decode in main, it's that we can't ship it on the CD
[07:37] <Riddell> pef: probably best to learn debhelper then do cdbs
[07:38] <elmo> Riddell: so please don't split unless it would put mp3 decode on the CD
[07:38] <Riddell> elmo: yes.  but in this case it does go on CD
[07:39] <elmo> Riddell: ok, but you said earlier we can't have mp3 in main - we definitely can; that's my point
[07:39] <pef> Riddell, debhelper/cdbs is ~ to LaTeX/TeX  about level of abstraction ?
[07:39] <pef> TeX/LaTeX sorry
[07:41] <Riddell> elmo: sure, sorry for the confusion
[07:41] <Riddell> pef: I guess so (not being a tex user)
[07:42] <Riddell> pef: debhelper hides a lot behind all the dh_* scripts, and cdbs hides all those
[07:43] <pef> Riddell, so debhelper is more suitable for my first kubuntu package ?
[07:44] <Riddell> pef: yes, if you don't learn debhelper you'll get stuck with cdbs quickly
[07:44] <pef> Riddell, thank you ;)
[07:51] <Riddell> hello mart
[07:51] <mart> hi
[07:52] <Riddell> mart: going to become an elite kubuntu developer?
[07:52] <mart> heh, I only popped in to see if the topic said anything about the cxx transition...
[07:53] <Riddell> mart: it's all done pretty much
[07:54] <mart> yeah?  I was looking at the wiki and figured best not to pull from breezy just yet...
[07:58] <mart> so aptitude says it will remove these if I dist-upgrade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ydCQgs62.html
[07:58] <mart> reckon it's worth a go :)
[07:58] <mart> ?
[07:59] <Riddell> mart: they all look fine
[07:59] <Riddell> they're all replaced with differently named packages in breezy, e.g. kdelibs4 is kdelibs4c2
[07:59] <mart> well, I'm holding you accountable when my machine breaks, Mr. Riddell !
[08:00] <Riddell> kde will be fine, it's X that's likely to break.  don't blame me for that :)
[08:05] <mart> Fetched 635MB in 4m38s (2283kB/s) :)
[08:06] <Riddell> mart: oh for access to superjanet again
[08:58] <mart> Riddell: well, that was a blast.  although to be fair, you got it spot on - X upgrade just didn't work at all
[08:59] <allee> mart: I can confirm that X breaks ;) fixing by hand again ... :(
[09:02] <mart> font's moving, and packages with overlapping sets of files got me, but hey g++ -v looks good :)
[11:08] <dholbach> you can begin to use REVU ( http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ ) now
[11:08] <dholbach> we consider it to be ready :)
[11:08] <dholbach> ready enough ;)
[11:12] <uniq> ok. maybe i should add ipodslave to it then.
[11:13] <dholbach> yeah, write a signed mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>he'll add you to the uploaders for it
[11:13] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU knows it all
[11:13] <uniq> just found out.
[11:14] <dholbach> cool
[11:17] <uniq> siretart just got mail.
[11:17] <dholbach> ah, my bad: you are already in #ubuntu-motu :)
[11:17] <dholbach> well, i wanted to announce it here as well
[11:18] <uniq> i'm not following the discussion in -motu all the time. :)
[11:19] <dholbach> yeah, it was just because we were talking about a third person, but we were "in a room" with him at the same time ;)
[11:19] <uniq> ah.. heh :)


[16:01] <craptalk> i am using lubuntu 16.04, and my screen start flickering, also using xorg nvidia graphic driver, how can i fix this problem?
[16:02] <craptalk> it doesnt appear so in ubuntu mate at previous release
[16:02] <craptalk> please help
[19:43] <swift110> hey all


[12:12] <CrazyLemon> quiet day
[14:51] <skyx> lp
[14:52] <skyx> matjaz: ping?
[14:58] <matjaz> skyx, pong
[17:27] <yang> http://www.majmun.bar/
[17:27] <jabuk> Restavracija Majmun, Ljubljana
[18:59] <matjaz> yang, smo mel eno žurko tu
[18:59] <matjaz> kar kul
[19:43] <CrazyLemon> majmuni
[19:56] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8465-9Q5QJM
[19:56] <jabuk> Grand Tour host Richard Hammond injured in crash - BBC News - YouTube
[19:56] <jabuk> Ex-Top Gear host Richard Hammond has been airlifted to hospital after a crash while filming in Switzerland. The 47-year-old presenter was filming for Amazon ...
[19:56] <CrazyLemon> matjaz ^
[19:58] <matjaz> https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/873577127043637248
[19:58] <jabuk> Jeremy Clarkson on Twitter: "It was the biggest crash I've ever seen and the most frightening but incredibly, and thankfully, Richard seems to be mostly OK."
[19:58] <matjaz> hudo zgleda ja
[19:58] <matjaz> že drugič letos ffs
[19:59] <matjaz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96z1JAvRKQo
[19:59] <jabuk> TOO MANY ZOOZ , Funky town/i feel good - YouTube
[20:00] <matjaz> kok je pa to epic
[20:00] <matjaz> pa Moon Hooch
[20:10] <CrazyLemon> drugič letos?!
[20:12] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEpCF2PlJRQ
[20:12] <jabuk> Richard Hammond horrible car crash in Switzerland (10.06.2017, electrical concept car) - YouTube
[20:12] <CrazyLemon> matjaz ^
[20:12] <jabuk> Richard Hammond, former Top Gear star, is currently in a hospital after suffering from a severe crash in Switzerland
[20:35] <matjaz> CrazyLemon, drugič letos ja
[20:36] <matjaz> je imel nesrečo
[20:36] <matjaz> v prvo nič hujšega sicer
[20:38] <matjaz> https://drivetribe.com/p/S-M0ZCjCQJKNd65Tu3yE_w?iid=EoPU00dNSUWjkXj2ClbhFA
[20:38] <jabuk> I've checked and i'm not dead | DRIVETRIBE
[20:38] <jabuk> It's true, I did fall off a motorbike whilst filming recently for The Grand Tour in Mozambique. I banged my head, yes, along with pretty muc


[00:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[02:19] <jthan> InHisName1: you make progress?
[02:19] <InHisName1> some, thanks to jedijf.   vbox installs but still has issues.
[02:19] <InHisName1> Working on it now.
[02:20] <jthan> Gotcha.
[02:20] <jthan> Good, I'm glad.
[02:20] <jthan> Sorry I wasn't of more help
[02:22] <InHisName1> built headers with setup command.   Now on to installing extensions,  Uhhmmmm,  now complaining can't decompress package right.
[02:26] <InHisName> Failed to open the Extension Pack /home/rich/Desktop/Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-4.1.2-73507 (1).vbox-extpack.
[02:27] <InHisName> RTVfsFsStrmNext failed: VERR_TAR_BAD_CHKSUM_FIELD
[02:29] <jthan> looks to me like the checksum didn't match
[02:34] <InHisName> re-booted, STILL a problem!
[02:54] <InHisName> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty-updates_universe_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch      is this a problem?
[09:31] <rmg51> Morning
[10:20] <InHisName> yah, it's morning alrighty
[11:29] <waltman> morning
[16:09] <avatar_> is anybody here
[16:09] <avatar_> __
[16:09] <avatar_> ??
[16:11]  * waltman hides
[16:11] <avatar_> someone to speak


[00:05] <cjohnston> Daviey: find someone to do reviews for me..
[00:06] <cjohnston> I use them as a one last look through before merging it.. on big stuff I beg mhall119 or others to do reviews, but little stuff I just use the LP MP view to do a final look over
[00:07] <cjohnston> Daviey: there are two outstanding MPs waiting for you to review


[11:44] <nigelb> I can't put that in the description for the blog post :
[11:44] <nigelb> grrr
[11:44] <nigelb> (sorry, wrong channel)


[10:59] <brainwash> xubuntu-desktop pulls in light-locker and xfce4-screensaver
[10:59] <brainwash> xubuntu-desktop^ does not
[11:01] <brainwash> xfce4-session depends on..
[11:01] <brainwash>  |Recommends: light-locker
[11:01] <brainwash>  |Recommends: xfce4-screensaver
[11:01] <brainwash>   Recommends: xscreensaver
[11:04] <brainwash> xfce4-session (4.12.1-6ubuntu1) says:
[11:04] <brainwash> - Recommends no longer include xscreensaver (LP: #1754872)
[11:05] <brainwash> but now it's back in the 4.14 package?
[11:08] <bluesabre> that's certainly not ideal
[11:08] <brainwash> xfce4-screensaver | light-locker
[11:08] <brainwash> this is ideal, or?
[11:09] <brainwash> or maybe even no light-locker at all
[11:09] <brainwash> it's not supported anymore I think
[11:10] <bluesabre> pretty much... the only person that actually *gets* light-locker disappeared
[11:10] <brainwash> version 1.9 was released in april though
[11:11] <brainwash> by someone else
[11:12] <brainwash> but neither ubuntu nor debian have it
[12:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: someone from elementary has taken over (at least some) lightlocker maintenance
[12:39] <ochosi> i added him to the admins a month ago or two
[17:00] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is knome
[17:49] <Unit193> brainwash: That and other things are why I always recommend the task and not the meta, since there's other "decisions" it does wrong as well.  Also, xflock has support for light-locker, so I'd leave it.  Personally I'd list everything xflock has support for.
[18:35] <brainwash> Unit193: why was xscreensaver readded? can light-locker be put at the end?
[18:35] <brainwash> those are the questions
[18:37] <brainwash> also, how to spread the info that xubuntu-desktop should be installed as task?
[18:39] <brainwash> it's not very likely that we can add a warning message to apt
[22:27] <bluesabre> brainwash: probably the thing to do would be adding it to the docs, and then point anybody that direction any time the question comes up again... apt isn't smart, and installing the task is simply the right use case in that case.


[07:32] <dot-tobias> (Good morning)
[10:09] <onyb_fr7> I'm building a snap by specifying the source as my local directory, which is a cloned git repository. Under the parts definition, I'm using the "source" key with value "./src". However I see that Snapcraft is also copying files that's outside the "src" directory, notably the .git folder. Is there any way to ignore these extra files?
[10:18] <ogra> onyb_fr7, try using "source: ." and "source-subdir: src"
[10:19] <ogra> also, always use relative paths without spomething like ./
[10:19] <ogra> (i.e. just "src", not "./src")
[16:03] <diddledan> why is snapd denying opens on files shipped within core?! https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ozQJImar/
[16:03] <diddledan> surely if it's in core it should _never_ be denied
[16:04] <popey> diddledan: is that library in core?
[16:04] <diddledan> if it isn't then why does it try to load it there?
[16:04] <popey> (yes, it is)
[16:04] <diddledan> (there's many libraries in that paste)
[16:05] <diddledan> I'd like to hear arguments as to why it is desirable to deny access to libraries in core rather than not putting them in core to begin with
[16:06] <diddledan> doesn't the whole "let's put this in core" kinda suggest that you expect snaps to use it???
[16:07] <ogra> why would it allow opening random libs ?
[16:07] <diddledan> why wouldn't it?
[16:07] <diddledan> they're in core ffs
[16:07] <ogra> the apparmor default profile doesnt blindly grant access to everything
[16:07] <diddledan> core is "a shared platform that provides a base for all snaps" so if it isn't expected to read the libraries there then why are they there?
[16:08] <ogra> especially if youo use /snap/foo/bar/12345/baz
[16:08] <ogra> core is your / ...
[16:08] <ogra> (from a snaps POV)
[16:08] <ogra> why would apparmor allow any snap to access /snap/foo ?
[16:08] <diddledan> that doesn't make a difference whether it's / or /core/omgzor
[16:08] <ogra> it surely does :)
[16:09] <diddledan> it's core ffs
[16:09] <diddledan> core is shared. it's meant to be shared.
[16:09] <ogra> just open it via /lib/$ARCH ;)
[16:09] <diddledan> if you don't want us to access libraries from core then don't put them there
[16:10] <ogra> yes, it is meant to be shared as your root as /
[16:10] <ogra> not via /snap7core
[16:10] <ogra> */snap/core
[16:11] <diddledan> then why is "random snap" trying to read libraries from there when "random snap" hasn't been configured to do so. because something in snapd or the default setup has obviously told it about that location
[16:11] <ogra> dunno, missing LD_LIBRARY_PATH entry perhaps ?
[16:12] <popey> or incorrect LD_LIBRARY_PATH overriding existing
[16:12] <diddledan> how is "not including a path in LD_LIBRARY_PATH" going to make an application decide "oh, I can't find this library. for **ts and giggles I'll look in this completely random arbitrary location that nobody has told me exists"
[16:13] <ogra> /snap/core/current/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is definitely identical to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu ... but apparmor will definitely block the first
[16:13] <diddledan> this is a snap that I built. I sure as hell did not tell it about /snap/core
[16:13] <ogra> well, something did
[16:14] <ogra> probably a bug, probably a missing or wrong LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[16:14] <diddledan> therefore something in snapd or the snapcraft default wrapper scripts HAS told it about that location. I did not. therefore when I see it accessing that location which I didn't tell it about I assume that snapd has
[16:14] <diddledan> if snapd is telling my application about a path then I expect that it be readable
[16:14] <ogra> probably your snap ships a linker inside while it shouldnt and adds /snap/core to the lib search path
[16:14] <ogra> i can only guess here
[16:14] <diddledan> you seem to assume I'm a newbie
[16:14] <ogra> but the DENIAL is definitely correct
[16:15] <ogra> you know i'm not :)
[16:16] <ogra> but all i can judge here is the DENIAL ... and thats fine ... why you get into that situation is likely a matter of debugging
[16:16] <diddledan> you're spot on though. ld is included seemingly
[16:16] <ogra> aha
[16:16] <diddledan> wtf did that come from?!
[16:16] <ogra> snapcraft should have protected you (IMHO)
[16:16] <diddledan> yeah that should be a blacklisted thing
[16:16] <ogra> just like libc
[16:17] <diddledan> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bJzKmUo7/
[16:17] <diddledan> that's all the ld
[16:17] <diddledan> oh boy https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FjigITFo/
[16:18] <diddledan> so because I've got $SNAP/lib in LD_LIBRARY_PATH it's picking ld-2.23.so from there?
[16:19] <diddledan> darn and blast it
[16:19] <popey> ooh
[16:19] <popey> good debugging
[16:19]  * diddledan yells at mycroft only to get no reply because he's got a random ld.so
[16:20] <diddledan> well foo
[16:20] <diddledan> I'm annoyed as much at myself as at snapcraft :-p
[16:20] <diddledan> this is painful :-p
[16:20]  * diddledan moans more
[16:20] <diddledan> now to work out how to get mycroft semaphores working
[16:21] <diddledan> it's using the python multiprocessing module for something and getting permission denied which was what highlighted those others - the semaphore permission denied though doesn't appear to be causing a denied message in the logs :-(
[16:22]  * diddledan goes to find consolation cookies
[16:23]  * ogra hands diddledan some hot fresh coffee to have with the cookies
[16:24] <diddledan> \o/
[16:24] <diddledan> ...and calm
[16:24]  * diddledan breathes methodically
[16:26] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/v30HUOx6SYk?t=50
[16:31] <ogra> :D
[16:33] <diddledan> speaking of snapcraft - kyrofa and I discovered a really random edge case problem - keeping vscode open while compiling a large project that also depends on the alsa remote part I created will cause the build to die part-way through complaining that alsa changed on disk even though it didn't
[16:33] <diddledan> again that was mycroft that highlighted this one
[16:35] <diddledan> it seems that vscode will do something while it monitors for git changes that causes the .git folder timestamp to change. combine that with the alsa remote part which doesn't specify a source, therefore meaning `source: .` and you get snapcraft detecting that the source (.) for alsa changing
[20:44] <ogra> grr, why does snapcraft close not take an --arch argument