[07:14] <Myke1> anyone know why Ubuntu one doesnt like Syncing Truecrypted volumes?
[07:15] <Myke1> honk
[07:16] <rye> Myke1, hi, looking up what is Truecrypt...
[08:11] <jon_> hi i'm a new ubuntu one user.  i was able to set it all up quite nicely on my laptop.  but i am having problems with my desktop.  one is that i do not see any way to add my desktop computer to my account. another is that when i start up ubuntu one on my desktop computer, the icon shows it as disconnected and when i click on 'go to web' nothing happens.  i'd appreciate any help
[08:12] <jon_> i'm running karma 9.10
[08:24] <rye> jon_, what ubuntu versions you are running on desktop and laptop?
[08:58] <diverse_izzue> hi all. on lucid i have nautilus crash when i enable synching for a folder. i'm using the nightly ppa
[09:00] <rye> diverse_izzue, do you have apport info?
[09:05] <diverse_izzue> rye, no, apport didn't pop up
[09:05] <rye> diverse_izzue, could you please check whether you have a crash report in /var/crash for nautilus ?
[09:06] <rye> diverse_izzue, when you enable syncing for a folder... hmmm
[09:06] <diverse_izzue> rye, i don't have anything relevant in that folder
[09:06] <diverse_izzue> rye, just tried a third time, now it doesn't crash anymore...
[09:07] <rye> diverse_izzue, something is broken in that plugin... and i blame shared structure - bug #498019...
[09:08] <diverse_izzue> rye, thanks. good it's a known bug
[09:08] <rye> diverse_izzue, well, it is known but it happens at random times.
[09:09] <diverse_izzue> rye, those are fun bugs!
[09:33] <jon_> the one that came installed with karma 0.10
[09:37] <jon_> sorry that should be 9.10
[09:45] <rye> jon_, what browser are you using on your desktop?
[09:50] <jon_> rye, thanks for responding.  i'm trying out epiphany, but i also tried to open ubuntu one with firefox.  no luck either way
[10:08] <zyga> hello, is it normal that several tiny files (<1KB) cannot be synced for more than one day?
[10:09] <zyga> they are stuck in the upload queue
[10:14] <duanedesign> hello zyga
[10:14] <zyga> hi
[10:14] <zyga> I even upgraded to the paid plan
[10:14] <zyga> silly me I guess :-/
[10:14] <zyga> I'm checking various bugs
[10:14] <duanedesign> definetly several small files takes longer than it should
[10:15] <duanedesign> its an issue they are working on resolving
[10:15] <zyga> duanedesign: the problem is that I see _no_ activity
[10:15] <zyga> they are stuck there for several hours/days (depending on file)
[10:15] <duanedesign> zyga: could you try to run the command:  u1sdtool -s
[10:15] <zyga> sure
[10:16] <zyga> I've been running it all the time to see what happens
[10:16] <zyga> I also run --waiting-content
[10:16] <zyga> processing queues, working on both, with network with user, no errors, online connected
[10:16] <zyga> on both hosts
[10:16] <zyga> as a side note, u1 should _REALLY_ detect LAN setups and special case
[10:17] <zyga> but let's not digress
[10:17] <duanedesign> and the last line queues
[10:18] <zyga> WORKING_ON_BOTH
[10:18] <zyga> duanedesign: while we're at it - is there any way to see contacts synced?
[10:20] <duanedesign> if your contacts are synced you should see them in the webui
[10:21] <zyga> duanedesign: I can see them in the webui
[10:21] <rye> jon_, ok, what is the output of apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client ?
[10:21] <rye> duanedesign, morning!
[10:21] <zyga> duanedesign: but not on any of my hosts - the contacts came from my phone
[10:21] <zyga> beuno: ping?
[10:21]  * zyga read the topic just now
[10:23] <duanedesign> zyga: ahh. i cant wait to get my phone fixed so i can try the phone sync.
[10:23] <zyga> duanedesign: do you know of any command-line tool that can monitor non-file stuff being synced? (contacts/notes)
[10:24] <duanedesign> zyga: there is a tool to interact with the couchdb stuff.  http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/U1/ubuntuone.couchdb.query.py
[10:24] <zyga> mmm, let me check it out
[10:24] <zyga> dbname?
[10:26] <duanedesign> zyga: you can see your couchdb stuff locally with:   xdg-open file:///home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/desktop-couch/couchdb.html
[10:26] <zyga> checking
[10:26] <duanedesign> changing USERNSME ;)
[10:26] <zyga> right ;-)
[10:26] <duanedesign> unless that just happens to be your username.
[10:27]  * duanedesign is waiting for that to happen one day
[10:27] <zyga> duanedesign: should have used ~ instead ;-)
[10:27] <zyga> anyway, the contacts are there
[10:27] <zyga> that's good
[10:27] <duanedesign> lol
[10:27] <zyga> but evolution is not showing that in the ubuntu one section
[10:27] <roguel6> hi guys! good morning! i would like to ask you about some problems i am having with evolution-couchdb
[10:28] <zyga> hmm!
[10:28] <zyga> okay, I take that back
[10:28] <zyga> now contacts _are_ shown
[10:28] <zyga> but they were not shown ever before... strange
[10:29] <duanedesign> zyga: usually if they are not shown desktopcouch might not be started
[10:30] <duanedesign> zyga: there is a file that can help in troubleshooting that ~/.cache/desktop-couch/log/desktop-couch-replication.log
[10:30] <zyga> duanedesign: how to start it manually?
[10:30] <zyga> duanedesign: on my netbook it's still not shown and an error message shows up (invalid url yada yada)
[10:30] <duanedesign> zyga: dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[10:30] <zyga> duanedesign: I'm using gnome-shell on that host so usuall stuff might not start up
[10:31] <duanedesign> roguel6: hello
[10:32] <duanedesign> zyga: how are you liking gnome shell
[10:32] <zyga> duanedesign: okay, it's awake (either all the time or got awake by dbus service activation)
[10:33] <zyga> duanedesign: but evolution still claims: "Error loading address book. This address b ook cannot be opened ... Detailed error message: Address Book does not exist"
[10:33] <zyga> duanedesign: gnome-shell feels unfinished, indicator applet is not supported so I loose lots of functionality
[10:33] <didrocks> duanedesign
[10:34] <roguel6> duanedesign, hello! i found myself with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/562564 do you know if there are any known solution?
[10:34] <zyga> deadguys: and searching for programs only works once, then it never works again until you logout and back again
[10:34] <didrocks> oupss, sorry :) duanedesign: I've got also an issue with my u1 account. Can't synced anymore and u1sdtool is hanging in -s/can't launch the daemon
[10:37] <duanedesign> roguel6: seeing if i can replicate that locally
[10:38] <roguel6> duanedesign, thank you! i have just built it from the source
[10:40] <zyga> I found two bugs in evolution contact handling
[10:40] <zyga> 1) evolution wrongly claims that there is a duplicate user when the middle name is the only difference
[10:41] <zyga> 2) the UI that informs you about it has a part saying "[custom widget creation failed]"
[10:42] <duanedesign> didrocks: i have not heard of that before...
[10:42] <duanedesign> didrocks: are you trying to run it as root?
[10:43] <didrocks> duanedesign: no, just as my current user. it's really weird as even with another box that I just regitered, I got no more sync
[10:44]  * rye is ready to battle
[10:44] <duanedesign> roguel6: i cant seem to replicate that locally.
[10:44] <duanedesign> rye: roguel6 has bug 562564
[10:45] <rye> zyga, 2 - bug 302906
[10:46] <rye> roguel6, could you please try quitting evolution with evolution --force-shutdown then start evolution-data-server in the terminal. and then run evolution.
[10:47] <didrocks> ok, got it synced on my other computer with usd1tool -c manually executed. Checking on the two others now
[10:47] <roguel6> rye, ok, thanks
[10:47] <duanedesign> didrocks: what is the exact error message you get
[10:47] <duanedesign> didrocks: on the one that can't launch daemon
[10:48] <rye> roguel6, there were multiple issues with gnome keyring.. http://jameswestby.net/weblog/tech/14-caution-python-multiprocessing-and-glib-dont-mix.html
[10:48] <didrocks> duanedesign: u1sdtool -s just hangs, as well as u1sdtool -c. If I try to launch ubuntuone-syncdaemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420938/
[10:49] <rye> didrocks, apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client ?
[10:49] <zyga> rye: seems that's it
[10:49] <didrocks> rye: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 is installed
[10:49] <rye> didrocks, i smell a bug...
[10:50] <rye> didrocks, you are now running lucid, right?
[10:50] <rye> didrocks, from what version have you updated your installation?
[10:50] <didrocks> rye: so do I :) I tried to remove the associated computer and see if login again will solve it, but it doesn't asked anymore to associate the computer
[10:50] <didrocks> rye: I'm on lucid since alpha2
[10:51] <rye> didrocks, were you able to use ubuntuone when you updated to alpha2 ?
[10:51] <didrocks> rye: yes, even if I didn't use it too much, the last time was after alpha3 and it was working
[10:51] <rye> didrocks, and then it stopped working with TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'volume_id' ?
[10:52] <didrocks> rye: right
[10:53] <didrocks> rye: well, now there is two issues. As I tried to remove my computers to see if it can remove some bad answer from the server side, it doesn't ask me to add them anymore
[10:54] <duanedesign> rye: looks like the function(line 1383) its failing on is an attempt to fix shared metadata
[10:54] <rye> duanedesign, right, i am just wondering how I can trigger isinstance
[10:55] <duanedesign> didrocks: so you need to re authorize your computer with Ubuntu One?
[10:56] <didrocks> duanedesign: exactly. But apparently logout and then triggers the manage account in ubuntuone-preferences isn't enough
[10:56] <duanedesign> didrocks: ok can you see if you have Ubuntu One Token in  Open Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys
[10:57] <didrocks> duanedesign: yeah, I still have it. Shall I delete it?
[10:57] <rye> didrocks, well, your syncdaemon does not start properly now, that's why it does not ask for auth
[10:58] <didrocks> rye: oh ok. So not a second bug hopefully :)
[10:59]  * duanedesign  needs to step out for 30 minutes. AFK and a BRB :)
[11:04] <roguel6> rye,  when i try to add a contact in evolution i get this error: ./evolution-data-server-2.28: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/evolution-data-server-1.2/extensions/libebookbackendcouchdb.so: undefined symbol: e_book_backend_cache_clean
[11:04] <rye> roguel6, o_O
[11:04] <rye> roguel6, and it crashes/
[11:04] <rye> ?
[11:05] <roguel6> yes, evolution-data-server finishes. evolution does not make anything, no window appears, no error appears
[11:07] <rye> roguel6, you said that you compiled it from sources, what were the sources?
[11:07] <rye> and what was recompiled?
[11:09] <roguel6> rye, from here: https://code.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb with bzr branch lp:evolution-couchdb
[11:10] <rye> roguel6, could you please revert to evolution-couchdb package in lucid, that would at least make us at one page :)
[11:10] <rye> but i will check the sources :)
[11:10] <jon_> rye, apt-cache policy?
[11:11] <rye> jon_, run this in terminal -  apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client
[11:11] <roguel6> rye, yes, thank you!
[11:13] <jon_> rye,  Installed: 1.0.3-0ubuntu1   Candidate: 1.0.3-0ubuntu1   Version table:  *** 1.0.3-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://debian.nctu.edu.tw karmic-updates/main Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status      1.0.2-0ubuntu1 0         500 http://debian.nctu.edu.tw karmic/main Packages
[11:14] <rye> jon_, ok, to summarize - you can't add the computer to ubuntuone, right?
[11:15] <jon_> rye, right
[11:16] <jon_> rye, also can't 'go to web' from ubuntu one desktop computer icon
[11:17] <rye> jon_, does the browser open when you run this in the terminal - xdg-open https://one.ubuntu.com
[11:17] <roguel6> rye, its working now! thank you for all
[11:18] <rye> roguel6, huh?
[11:19] <rye> rodrigo_, roguel6 just build the sources for evolution-couchdb and found that " when i try to add a contact in evolution i get this error: ./evolution-data-server-2.28: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/evolution-data-server-1.2/extensions/libebookbackendcouchdb.so: undefined symbol: e_book_backend_cache_clean"
[11:20] <roguel6> rye, i have just built it from the package in lucid and it works now
[11:20] <rye> roguel6, ah, ok, but that does not fix the issue with the sources, i am preparing the vm for testing... will be ready in 10 minutes or so
[11:21] <jon_> rye, no, i get Error: No running window found.
[11:21] <roguel6> rye, ok, i will be here if you need some more information about my problem
[11:22] <rye> facundobatista, verterok, <didrocks> found an issue with metadata upgrade - http://paste.ubuntu.com/420938/
[11:23] <rye> jon_, could you please check what is set in System / Preferences / Preferred Applications for Web Browser?
[11:27] <jon_> rye, i just changed that to epiphany and now when i type xdg-open etc. in the terminal ubuntu home page opens
[11:28] <jon_> rye, and 'go to web' works now too
[11:28] <jon_> rye, so far so good.  you are a great help!
[11:29] <jon_> rye, the icon still shows ubuntu one as being disconnected
[11:30] <rye> jon_, could you please try 'connect' option item?
[11:31] <jon_> rye, nothing happens
[11:34] <rye> jon_, ok, could you please quit ubuntuone-client-applet and then run ubuntuone from menu again
[11:35] <didrocks> rye: ok, can't debug that myself (I confirmed that u1 is working fine on my two other computers). Will idle there and hl me when needed :)
[11:37] <rye> didrocks, you have are a very valuable case with syncdaemon. The fast solution is to remove metadata and restart syncdaemon, but i am sure that if that happens at your machine, then that will happen somewhere else... after the release.
[11:38] <rye> didrocks, but I will need to wait until chicharra team arrives (chicharra - syncdaemon codename :) )
[11:39] <didrocks> rye: no pb. I can keep it this way as I still use my others computers for u1 :) the metadata you are talking about are in .local/share/ubuntuone/*, right?
[11:40] <didrocks> (I still think that in this case u1sdtool should timeout and say "help help" ;))
[11:42] <jon_> rye, everthing's fine now.  thanks so much!
[11:43] <rye> jon_, and what was the browser setting?
[11:43] <jon_> rye, i had to change it to epiphany and all was fine
[11:43] <rye> didrocks, u1sdtool sends dbus call, then it drops the response (if it arrives) and waits for syncdaemon signal. Forever...
[11:44] <rye> jon_, yes, i understood that you changed it _to_ epiphany, but what was there in the first place?
[11:44] <didrocks> rye: I think, we should add a timeout there. I'll have a look during UDS if I find time there :)
[11:45] <rye> didrocks, this decision is a workaround for slow startup which is due to the way metadata loading is implemented... it does not start dbus listener until it is completely initialized. and that can take minutes to complete - bug 436612
[11:46] <didrocks> rye: oh, really? minutes? At least, we fixed recently some stuff on desktopcouch side to have it start earlier, but ok, I understand so :)
[11:46] <jon_> rye, the fault, of course, was mine.  i had at some point been trying out different browsers and had it set to seamonkey
[11:53] <rye> jon_, you had seamonkey set up and it was not installed, right?
[11:54] <jon_> rye, it was installed and was working
[11:54] <rye> jon_, hmm
[11:57] <duanedesign> rye: i noticed there was another usesr in here yesterday with trouble adding a computer on lucid. I have not come across any bug reports yet.
[11:57] <jon_> rye, i know it would be useful to know just what the problem had been, but i must admit i'm just pretty happy it is ok now
[11:57] <rye> duanedesign, something blocks ububuntuone-login, something but cannot reproduce... for now
[11:58] <rye> jon_, installing seaminkey :)
[12:03] <rodrigo_> rye, , he's using trunk, which is unstable, but yeah, fixing that undefined symbol
[12:03] <rye> rodrigo_, thanks!
[12:05] <rye> confirming bug with seamonkey... well, it is bug in seamonkey<-> gnome interaction
[12:05] <rye> in case it is set to open in new window
[12:05] <rye> good to know
[12:14] <rodrigo_> roguel6, if you want to use source code, please use the released tarballs, or the gnome-2-30 branch of evo-couchdb in gnome's git
[12:14] <rodrigo_> roguel6, unless you want to help in development, then using trunk is ok
[12:17] <roguel6> rodrigo_, , hi , i am the guy who wrote you an email yesterday to help in the development of evolution-couchdb tasks
[12:17] <rodrigo_> roguel6, ah, good, then use trunk!
[12:18] <rodrigo_> roguel6, in git, _I already fixed the missing symbol problem
[12:18] <rodrigo_> roguel6, welcome!
[12:18] <roguel6> rodrigo_, ok, i have just downloadet the code from git, thank you!
[12:19] <rodrigo_> roguel6, ok, I see you are ok with english, if not, go to #gnome-hispano on irc.gnome.org
[12:19] <rodrigo_> roguel6, btw, who is your teacher?
[12:20] <roguel6> rodrigo_, andrew frank from TU Wien
[12:21] <rodrigo_> roguel6, ah, I thought you were at Carlos III university
[12:21] <roguel6> rodrigo_, yes i am studying there but at the present i am in erasmus :)
[12:21] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[12:23] <rodrigo_> roguel6, right, I see you mentioned it on your mail, sorry :)
[12:23]  * rodrigo_ reads too many mails :)
[12:25] <rodrigo_> roguel6, so, did you get ok with the tasks backend code in evo-data-server?
[12:32] <rye> ubuntuone-login can hang due to... desktopcouch, gnome-keyring, grrr
[12:42] <roguel6> rodrigo_, sorry i had a call. i have just downloaded the code and i havent seen it yet. i will tell you in a while. thank you for the interest :)
[12:43] <rodrigo_> roguel6, ok :)
[13:41] <diverse_izzue> rye, it looks like i'm in the infinited getpublicfiles loop again, wasn't that supposed to no longer happen when using nightlies?
[13:51] <rye> diverse_izzue, bug #568774 :(
[13:52] <rye> i will finish couchdb checks and will see what's so invalid in that response
[13:52] <diverse_izzue> rye, thanks
[14:07] <debaser> hi, can someone help me with a problem with evolution contact sync please?
[14:14] <debaser> can someone *try* to help me with the problem?
[14:16] <rye> debaser, you should have said "honk" :)
[14:16] <rye> debaser, what release are you running, and what problem you are experiencing?
[14:16] <debaser> sorry, it's not about my phone...
[14:16] <debaser> ok, here you go: basically it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-couchdb/+bug/540675
[14:17] <debaser> i made a backup of my ubuntuone cantacts and then deleted them from evolution. now i'm unable to copy the contacts from my backup into u1, receiving an "other error"
[14:17] <rye> debaser, so you removed the contacts from couch and then tried to them again, right?
[14:18] <debaser> right.
[14:18] <rye> debaser, ok, let me check whether my assumption about the solution is right. I will get back to you in 5 minutes
[14:18] <debaser> great, thanks
[14:27] <rye> hm...
[14:29] <rye> X-COUCHDB-REVISION:1-3591ec56d763bef6181483d7c7fa8684
[14:29] <rye> GRRTRR
[14:29] <rye> debaser, what is the backup format of your file?
[14:29] <debaser> it's vcf, but i'm also unable to create or copy new contacts from within evolution
[14:30] <rye> rodrigo_, when evolution copies the contact from dc it carries the revision number as well.
[14:30] <rye> debaser, ok
[14:31] <rye> debaser, could you please perform the following transformation on the backup file: grep -v X-COUCHDB-REVISION input_file.vcf > output.vcf
[14:32] <debaser> rye: ok, done
[14:32] <debaser> now import it?
[14:32] <rye> debaser, yes, please
[14:34] <debaser> rye: worked perfectly fine, thanks a lot
[14:34] <rye> debaser, ok, adding bug #540675 as a favorite..
[14:35] <debaser> are the instructions you gave me generally applicable for this bug?
[14:36] <debaser> rye: should i post them as a comment?
[14:37] <rye> debaser, i am adding the comment about X-COUCHDB-REVISION now
[14:38] <debaser> rye: ok. thanks again for helping me
[14:38] <rye> debaser, thanks for bringing this issue up, i thought about various reasons until examined the VCF
[14:45] <rodrigo_> rye, yeah, known bug, not sure how to fix it in the best way, since the vcard that gets copied from u1 to other addressbooks has the X-COUCHDB-REVISION, so, when copying it back, it uses that revision to update the doc, and gives a conflict
[14:46] <rye> rodrigo_, yup, i updated the bug report with this info... is there anything... erm... like hey, when contact is imported, then remove that X-COUCHDB-REVISION completely...
[14:46] <rye> however that... grr, not a solution, need more thinkings
[14:47] <rodrigo_> rye, the backend does not know if it's being imported or just updated
[15:50] <PaulGit> Is a paid subscription now required for the phone sync?  My clients cannot log in today :(
[15:54] <rye> PaulGit, do you see something like in bug #561490 ? - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43920146/Ubuntu%20One%20%3A%20Phones_1271078216838.png
[15:55] <rye> if yes, then we need to poke beuno to trigger clock reset for us, first users of syncml in ubuntuone :)
[15:55] <PaulGit> rye: Yes, I do!
[15:55] <rye> beeeuuuno! beuno!
[15:56] <beuno> rye, PaulGit, hi!
[15:56] <beuno> vds1!  hi
[15:56] <PaulGit> beuno: Hi
[15:56] <beuno> vds1, can you put together a query that resets everyone's 30 day trial to zero?
[15:57] <rye> beuno, will -7 do? :)
[15:57] <vds1> beuno: sure
[15:58]  * beuno is great at not doing any work
[15:59] <vds1> rye: not sure we can make it -7 but we can reset it again
[16:05] <rye> vds1, i am ok with resetting :)
[16:05] <rye> vds1, putting a note to ask for reset on 29th
[18:20] <beuno> PaulGit, you're account should be reset now
[18:21] <PaulGit> beuno: Thanks, I will give it a try shortly.
[18:54] <rye> beuno, mine?
[18:55] <beuno> rye, as well
[18:55] <rye> sweet :)
[18:55] <beuno> 1069 users reset
[18:55] <rye> beuno, but that web ui confirmation needs to be fixed...
[18:56] <beuno> rye, what is that?
[18:56] <rye> bug #561490
[18:56] <rye> beuno, ^
[18:57] <beuno> rye, ah, right
[18:57] <beuno> we need to fix that up
[20:39] <rye> beuno, one more, the files tab does not look selected when you are on /files/ uri
[20:40] <beuno> rye, I fixed that yesterday
[20:40] <beuno> ah, maybe the cowbot was overwritten
[20:40] <beuno> yes
[20:40] <beuno> https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/files/
[20:40] <beuno> edge has it right
[20:40] <beuno> so on Tue it will be fixed
[21:59] <candtalan> Hi all. I have just seen the new ubuntu one web ui for files. I like it. However it has revealed that I have some entries for files or folders which do not now exist. they were part of some tests months ago, I had some problems then. these entries are marked as 'uploading' and are all greyed out. how do I get rid of these ghost entries?
[21:59] <beuno> candtalan, hi, I saw your reply
[22:00] <beuno> maybe Chipaca or jdobrien can tell us more about that
[22:02] <Chipaca> candtalan: we need to run some cleanup on our database
[22:02] <Chipaca> they are 'stale uploads'
[22:02] <Chipaca> those no longer happen AFAIK
[22:02] <Chipaca> but they used to
[22:03] <Chipaca> candtalan: bad news for you, until we do the cleanup, is that AFAIK you can't upload files with those names until the ghosts die
[22:07] <candtalan> ok I am in a testing situation anyway. but how will the ghost entries get to die though?
[22:09] <candtalan> are you going to create a special cleanup process?
[22:11] <candtalan> do you need my involvement to identify the ghost stale uploads, or will they be obvious to you in the database?
[22:12] <Chipaca> candtalan: no, no involvement needed
[22:13] <Chipaca> candtalan: they are obvious, because nobody has been uploading files since last year
[22:13] <Chipaca> (and we know what date the upload started)
[22:14] <candtalan> ok thanks. more power to your elbow. :-)
[22:16] <candtalan> thanks. 'bye
[22:22] <issyl0> rename u1574appserver93 fb_190-225-213-178_-_http---webchat-freenode-net
[22:22] <issyl0> save
[22:22] <u1574appserver93> yay
[22:22] <u1574appserver93> it worked
[22:26] <Chipaca> issyl0: qué?
[22:27] <issyl0> Chipaca: no se
[22:27]  * issyl0 didn't do that.
[22:28] <issyl0> :/
[22:29]  * issyl0 is puzzled now.


[11:56] <doko> jbicha, willcooke: was the gtk2 demotion on your plate, or will it stay in main, and maybe for how long?
[11:59] <willcooke> I don't know, I'd need to ask seb128 (who is on holiday) - didrocks, any ideas? ^
[13:52] <didrocks> I didn't follow the gtk2 demotion, I guess that can wait for Monday as won't happen this cycle
[14:06] <gpiccoli> Hi rbasak , we were discussing in private the absence of some dbg symbols from trusty packages - you even pointed to LP # 1465777
[14:07] <rbasak> o/
[14:07] <gpiccoli> Just for curiosity / full clarification, given that a dbg symbol package was built (like irqbalance example) and we can find the dbg pkg in the ppa builder
[14:07] <gpiccoli> Can't we copy this ddeb to the regular place where ddebs live, in order to allow apt-get to download the package?
[14:08] <gpiccoli> I think it makes sense for some packages, and only for the latest versions of them, of course...
[14:08] <gpiccoli> In other words - is it feasible to do a manual copying of the dbg package to the right place?
[14:08] <gpiccoli> rbasak ^
[14:08] <gpiccoli> fabiomirmar, ^
[14:09] <rbasak> There's probably a data integrity issue there. We'd want to be sure that the debug symbols package really does match the corresponding binaries.
[14:09] <rbasak> The only way to be sure is if they actually came out of the same build.
[14:09] <rbasak> Is that the case here?
[14:10] <gpiccoli> exactly rbasak, it's the same build!
[14:10] <gpiccoli> let me find the link
[14:10] <gpiccoli> to provide an example
[14:11] <gpiccoli> rbasak, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irqbalance/1.0.6-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/+build/7896738
[14:12] <gpiccoli> this package is present in trusty, though if we check [0], the dbg symbols pkg is not there.
[14:12] <gpiccoli> [0] - http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/i/irqbalance/
[14:13] <gpiccoli> my idea: to move this .ddeb package to ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool in order we can "fix" the situation, at least for some packages as we found them. Not sure if it's super laborious, or if it's worthed heheh
[14:13] <gpiccoli> Just want to understand the feasibility for that
[14:15] <rbasak> From bug 1465777 I was under the impression that the missing ddebs were no longer available.
[14:15] <rbasak> This case appears to be different.
[14:18] <rbasak> I'm not sure what's going on there.
[14:18] <rbasak> Perhaps it's not a case of that bug, but something else.
[14:26] <gpiccoli> oh, interesting rbasak
[14:27] <coreycb> rbasak: hi there, if you have some time we have new versions of neutron in the unapproved queues for disco, cosmic and bionic with some very important patch fixes. these package versions can replace the current versions that are in -proposed.
[15:46] <bdmurray> willcooke: I take your on comment on bug 1821415 to mean that there isn't some new hot replacement for pkexec, is that right?
[15:47] <willcooke> bdmurray, correct, no new replacement
[15:47] <willcooke> andyrock thinks he can fix it though
[15:48] <bdmurray> that'd be helpful
[15:49] <bdmurray> willcooke: Do you know what the status of systemd user sessions is?
[15:49] <willcooke> bdmurray, AFAICR, not finished this cycle, will land early next cycle
[15:50] <bdmurray> willcooke: Well as long as it happens sometime! ;-)
[15:50] <willcooke> :))
[22:35] <infinity> robert_ancell: Was there a master plan to make snapd-glib-tests in disco actually ship stuff (like the one you uploaded to cosmic)?
[22:35] <robert_ancell> infinity, is the binary package empty?
[22:36] <infinity> Very.
[22:36] <robert_ancell> oops
[22:36] <infinity> robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4Nh79khq6w/
[22:36] <infinity> robert_ancell: Note the last three files that differ. :)
[22:36]  * robert_ancell hastily fixes
[22:37] <infinity> robert_ancell: Just confirming that the cosmic SRU is correct and it's disco that's buggy?
[22:37] <infinity> robert_ancell: Before I go processing the cosmis stuff in NEW.
[22:37] <robert_ancell> I'll just double check
[22:38] <robert_ancell> infinity, the cosmic package seems correct here.
[22:38] <infinity> robert_ancell: Alrighty.  So, please fix disco.  Kthx.
[22:39] <robert_ancell> ah, didn't bzr add the .install file
[22:39] <infinity> And two others, I'd assume.
[22:40] <infinity> debian/tests/*
[22:40] <robert_ancell> file(s)
[22:40] <robert_ancell> yes
[22:43] <infinity> bdmurray: Alright, snapd-glib/cosmic NEW reviewed and accepted, and exposed an icky bug in snapd-glib/disco. :)


[13:54] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:55] <rick_h> morn
[13:55] <cmaloney> how goes?
[13:56] <rick_h> zzzz
[13:56] <rick_h> sleepy today
[13:56] <cmaloney> heh
[13:56] <cmaloney> I didn't sleep well last night either
[13:56] <cmaloney> sinuses = suck
[14:01] <jrwren> i'm sleepy too, and I got a good nights sleep. what is going on in the world?!?!
[15:03] <mrgoodcat> good morning
[15:31] <cmaloney> btw: Bean and Leaf is under rennovation this Wed
[15:32] <cmaloney> so if anyone wants to meet up somewhere else in RO please LMK
[15:32] <cmaloney> otherwise we'll skip this week
[15:32]  * rick_h has lessons so no go here
[15:32] <cmaloney> Yeah, figured as much. :)
[15:32] <jrwren> rick_h: oooh! where you taking lessons? private?
[15:33] <rick_h> guitar lessons at the local music shop
[15:33] <rick_h> yea, instructors rent out room space there
[15:33] <jrwren> cool.
[15:33] <jrwren> yeah, I saw your books pic.
[15:33] <cmaloney> Yeah
[15:34] <rick_h> https://goo.gl/photos/7j3sgXNNR8YXLWeu8
[15:34] <rick_h> the boy in his
[15:34] <jrwren> I feel like I've hit a platau on self taught. I should probably get some instruction
[15:34] <cmaloney> rick_h: Where are you taking lessons?
[15:34] <rick_h> I find that even if I'm mostly just going through the books, a lesson is on the calendar and I get to bug someone with questions/etc
[15:34] <rick_h> http://www.mccourtsmusic.com/ in waterford
[15:35] <cmaloney> Was wondering if we might know the instructor since JoDee taught flute at Evola
[15:36] <rick_h> http://www.mccourtsmusic.com/eric-lockhart.html
[15:36] <rick_h> is the guy I'm working with atm
[15:36] <rick_h> though not sure it's going to work out. I need a bit more hand holding I think than his "well you could do this *riff/riff/riff* did you see what I did there?"
[15:37] <rick_h> and i'm going "ummm, so this is D right?"
[15:37] <cmaloney> heh
[15:37] <cmaloney> I completely understand that
[15:37] <jrwren> yup, getting past absolute basics takes a while too. especially with only spuradic practice times.
[15:37] <rick_h> I've been good at 30min a day for the couple of weeks so far
[15:37] <rick_h> hopefully will be able to keep at it
[15:38] <rick_h> put the boy down for bed, play for 30min
[15:38] <jrwren> that is good. that will get you learning very quickly.
[15:38] <rick_h> the big thing is that there's so much to work on
[15:38] <rick_h> notes, songs, chords, etc
[15:38] <jrwren> yup
[15:38] <jrwren> have you played with yousician at all? it is fun
[15:38] <rick_h> so feel like taking a nibble off a giant cake and wondering if you're making a dent in it
[15:38] <rick_h> no, I just found the tabs android app and having fun getting a bit lost in that lately
[15:40] <rick_h> oh hmm, app for your computer eh?
[15:40] <cmaloney> Yeah, there's a lot of musician applications for the computer
[15:41] <cmaloney> Jorge had something that would allow you to plug in a bass to play along with music
[15:41] <cmaloney> Sort of like Rock Band / Guitar Hero, but with a real instrument, and more forgiving
[15:42] <_stink_> sorry, but computers will never catch on.  they are too hard to use.
[15:42] <rick_h> nice
[15:42] <cmaloney> _stink_: I'm waiting for the Soroban to make a comeback
[15:42] <cmaloney> nice clean interface
[15:43] <_stink_> yes!  and satisfying sound effects.
[16:19] <cmaloney> Had a second interview with a company. Whee.
[16:20] <rick_h> woot!
[16:46] <greg-g> cmaloney: nice
[16:51] <cmaloney> We'll see
[16:51] <cmaloney> it's referral marketing, so it already feels dirty
[16:52] <cmaloney> but then again, I worked for Market Research for 4 years 8 months (but who's counting) so ... ;)
[16:52] <greg-g> :)
[16:53] <greg-g> for a few months before grad school I temp'd at a market research firm, doing semi-cold calls (to people already in our database, but still) doing the pre-screen interview. Such horrible work.
[16:53] <cmaloney> Also learning that I need to follow the "folk" tag on Bandcamp as some metal-esque bands don't tag as metal
[16:53] <cmaloney> Blergh
[16:53] <cmaloney> greg-g: Which firm, if I might ask?
[16:54] <greg-g> oh god... uh
[16:54] <cmaloney> Where was it located?
[16:54] <greg-g> something in minneapolis, a small outfit
[16:54] <cmaloney> Ah, OK
[16:54] <cmaloney> Thought it might have been Morpace. ;)
[16:54] <greg-g> all they did was: get the right demographic, bring them in to do the in-person group interview thing, summarize and send report to the company
[16:55] <cmaloney> Yup


[07:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:36] <SuperMatt> g'day
[07:39] <popey> morning
[07:42] <brobostigon> morning
[10:59] <TwistedLucidity> Hi. Can anyone point me towards current documentation on how to configure two networks in Ubuntu (desktop, if that makes any odds)?
[11:00] <TwistedLucidity> Network 1 has Internet, Network 2 does not. As soo as Net#2 is attached, I lose Internet, DNS resolution etc; despite having routing info, multiple DNS servers all supplied.
[11:00] <TwistedLucidity> To my inexperienced eyes, routing table looks fine so I have no idea what is wrong.
[11:05] <BigRedS> can you ping hosts on either or both networks when you lose internet?
[11:26] <TwistedLucidity> Yes, ping is fine
[11:26] <TwistedLucidity> I can ping Internet by IP as well.
[11:26] <TwistedLucidity> Name resolution goes down the toilet
[11:27] <TwistedLucidity> It's as if the local systemd dnsmasq instance (or whatever is used these days) refuses to check the DNS servers on each networkin turn.
[11:28] <TwistedLucidity> "dig thing @network-1-dns" and "dig thing @network-2-dns" both work too
[11:37] <TwistedLucidity> "/etc/resolv.conf" lists the various search domains from the two networks and <IP_ADDRESS> as the nameserver, which AIUI is the thing systemd runs.
[12:05] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure i get managing btrfs, i have a home NAS running 16.04, and i have 4 x 6TB disks in a btrfs array
[12:05] <NET||abuse> i followed some basic wiki's to install, so not really super confident in my understanding, problem is it's been running for over a year in this setup without much monitoring or management
[12:06] <NET||abuse> ive got graphics work, apps, disk images, media backups and music on here, but i've no idea how much space is really used.
[12:07] <NET||abuse> if i do `btrfs filesystem df /mnt/data -h`   i get a few lines, but Data, RAID1: total=4.79TiB, used=4.79TiB  makes me nervous
[12:07] <NET||abuse> System, RAID1: total=8.00MiB, used=688.00KiB    Metadata, RAID1: total=7.00GiB, used=5.63GiB
[12:09] <NET||abuse> if i do `btrfs filesystem show`  i gegt 4 disks listed as  /dev/sd[a,b,c,d]    all of them say   size 5.46TiB used 2.40TiB
[12:12] <BigRedS> TwistedLucidity: what does    ip a s    say? it sounds like your networking's working but you've no default gateway
[12:12] <BigRedS> not ip a s,    ip r s
[12:12] <BigRedS> the routes
[12:34] <diddledan> BigRedS: did you have a spasm? ip r s, ip a s <-- looks rather random :-p
[12:35] <BigRedS> :)
[12:35] <BigRedS> I wasn't taken at all by this ifconfig->ip switchover until I realised you can abbreviate everything to single letters
[12:35] <BigRedS> but, yeah, that's `ip all show` and `ip route show` in longer-form
[12:35] <diddledan> nice
[12:37] <BigRedS> also, you can do `ip route get <ip address>` to see the route out for that address, which is neat
[12:44] <diddledan> cyber, cyber, cyber! https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think by now the ukraine would air gap... everything...
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> BigRedS: starts witl "default via ip-range-#1 dev nic#1 ...."
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> Then there's three ip ranges for nic2 (which look correct)
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> An odd looking ip range for nic#2 (related to loop-back or this being a VM?)
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> And finally, the main ip range for nic#1
[12:50] <BigRedS> er, so your default route is to go out of the interface you think it ought to be, and to go via the gw you think it shoudl be, and nothing following contradicts that?
[12:50] <TwistedLucidity> As far as I can see, yes. Bear in mind, I am terrible at networking.
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> I think this might be a failure with systemd. Not sure.
[12:51] <BigRedS> most things are :)
[12:51] <diddledan> that's an odd image to put against "introduction to functional programming in javascript" https://twitter.com/opensourceway/status/879683492262670336
[13:24] <TwistedLucidity> Just tried a fresh Xubuntu install; exact same issue. Shame I can't seem to find any current documentation :-(
[15:20] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/holly/status/879720003288924160
[15:21] <zmoylan-pi> i only watched that movie for the first time after bowie died...
[15:51] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, BigRedS has gone just as I cracked it.
[15:52] <TwistedLucidity> To get multiple NICs working you have to install dnsmasq and then manually hack away at /etc/dnsmasq.conf Very strange.
[16:22] <diddledan> this is an intriguing bug in the Intel Microcode: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2017/06/msg00308.html
[16:25] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious
[16:27] <diddledan> it's crazy it's taken this long to figure out there's a bug, find the reason, and fix it - I guess most folk just chalked up any errors as transient and/or "well that was weird" and moved onto other things
[16:29] <diddledan> by the way they describe it as being hit when a loop is executed that has fewer than 64 commands it sounds to my untrained eye that it might be due to context switcheroos hapenning before the other thread on the same cpu is able to accept it's changing
[16:31] <diddledan> of course, the fact that I'm tring to "hear" with my untrained "eye" suggests that I'm gonna be very wrong due to the premise that eyes aren't for hearing with
[16:32] <diddledan> bah, burger off then!
[16:32] <diddledan> :-p
[16:32] <diddledan> they got hit by the bug :-D
[18:48] <diddledan> aww, poor kitty: https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/879459351236399106
[18:55] <foobarry> still getting spinny wheel on iplayer on linux. working on android. anyone else?
[18:55] <foobarry> on all progs, e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01qxms3/storyville-the-pirate-bay
[21:09] <diddledan> the original Blomkvist died :-( https://twitter.com/suziperry/status/879808132679180288
[21:10] <diddledan> (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo reference)
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> hardware problems... :-P http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2100242/elderly-flight-passenger-throws-coins-engine-luck-delays-take?utm_content=buffer90c8d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[21:33] <diddledan> moron
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> one of the first pcs i had to repair was been used as a point of sales in a video library in the 80s... a newbie had been shoving money into the floppy drive... and other gaps
[21:38] <brobostigon> i have seen other similer gaffs with machines like that, people trying to put objects into computers where they dont belong.
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> i remember one customer saved a few bob by having an electrical engineer install new hard drives... he used a rivet gun to secure them... i used to have a pic with a few rivets i found rolling around in base of case when it failed
[21:42] <brobostigon> i would like to have seen that.
[22:09] <diddledan> brobostigon: zmoylan-pi : isn't putting things into a pc another word for cyb0rsecks?
[22:10] <diddledan> wow. rivet gunning an HDD sounds... interesting
[22:13] <brobostigon> when i was at college, we have a power supply explode in our faces, not our fault, the the power supply was faulty, but it set off half the buildings smoke alarms and emptied half the building.
[22:13] <brobostigon> we had*
[22:31] <diddledan> nice! https://twitter.com/AshleyEsqueda/status/879821023675203584
[22:31] <diddledan> now if only we could embed that directly into our visual cortex
[23:01] <diddledan> so apparently today's ransomware is using the same eternalblue exploit as wannacry. why didn't everyone update their systems to block this is beyond me!?!
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> the last one didn't affect us, we must be safe!
[23:54] <diddledan> interesting point that it only takes a single vulnerable system to compromise an entire windows-based network: https://twitter.com/mikko/status/879742221326721028
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> one nutter bringing in a laptop from home will do the trick.
[23:55] <diddledan> WMIC and PSEXEC are remote administration things that allow the compromised system to use the current user's credentials (or other credentials if supplied directly) to execute code on other PCs
[23:56] <diddledan> e.g. if an AD administrator gets caught then his creds can be used to pwn the entire network
[23:57] <diddledan> even lowly users will probably have some form of access to most desktops so it'll pwn the fleet of user-level PCs no matter what
[23:57] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: BYOD!
[23:57] <diddledan> Bring Your Own Device^H^H^H^H^H^HDoomsday-weapon
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> they make take my data, but they'll never take my nokia!!
[23:58]  * diddledan watches while folk count the ^H's


[16:54] <system76chick> Hey everyone! How's it going?
[18:36] <joey> aloha
[19:07] <FunnyLookinHat> joey, Did you move ?  Saw you posted a pic for the snow from somewhere that was decidedly not longmont
[19:08] <FunnyLookinHat> Morey, I think ?
[19:23] <joey> FunnyLookinHat: That's in Longmont
[19:23] <joey> FunnyLookinHat: Most of Morey is now Longmont at least
[19:24] <joey> it's the northeast corner of Longmont
[19:26] <FunnyLookinHat> Ah


[00:11] <mup> Bug #2023936 opened: Firmware for NetXtreme II BCM57810 10 Gigabit Ethernet missing from initrd and ephemeral image <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2023936>
[08:48] <mup> Bug #2022003 changed: Feature Request: Ability to Upload Custom Power Drivers <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2022003>
[12:15] <mup> Bug #1927106 changed: Summary should show IP addresses rather than MAC addresses <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 3.3:Invalid> <maas-ui:Fix Committed> <maas-ui 3.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927106>
[12:24] <mup> Bug #1927106 opened: Summary should show IP addresses rather than MAC addresses <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 3.3:Invalid> <maas-ui:Fix Committed> <maas-ui 3.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927106>
[12:27] <mup> Bug #1927106 changed: Summary should show IP addresses rather than MAC addresses <ui> <MAAS:Invalid> <MAAS 3.3:Invalid> <maas-ui:Fix Committed> <maas-ui 3.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927106>