[00:00] <BUGabundo> I do use two local mirrors and MAIN
[00:00]  * BUGabundo is a weird person
[00:00] <yofel> heh
[00:00] <MindVirus> yofel: An example: it scrolls all the way down in an IRC channel when you're reading scrollback and someone says something.
[00:00] <MindVirus> And forces it to go all the way down until it's at the bottom.
[00:00] <KB1JWQ> How do I permit restricted drivers without a GUI?
[00:00] <yofel> MindVirus: ok that's bad, IRC support is bad though I've heard
[00:00] <KB1JWQ> Uncomment from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[00:00] <yofel> KB1JWQ: huh?
[00:01] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, you got the thinkpad with discrete graphics instead of intel graphics?
[00:01] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Yeah.
[00:01] <KB1JWQ> This may have been a mistake.
[00:01] <bjsnider> alright, nvidia-current will be updated to the latest nvidia driver in a couple days
[00:01] <MindVirus> yofel: It functions properly for what I've seen (except support is very lackluster). Only thing is the usernames in the users column are too spread out (there's like a 20px padding on each name).
[00:01] <KB1JWQ> I'm sure it'll work really well a year from now, but... :-)
[00:02] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: It just updated on my update run.
[00:02] <MindVirus> KB1JWQ: See what booting up properly will do.
[00:02] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, the 195.36.15 driver isn't int he archive yet
[00:02] <bjsnider> but it will be when the beta freeze is over
[00:03] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: There a way to shoehorn that in?
[00:03] <bjsnider> no
[00:03] <bjsnider> but i'm sure that blob supports your chip
[00:03] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: And that driver incorporates support for the nvs3000m?
[00:03] <bjsnider> or the very next one will
[00:03] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: k.  Guess I'll sit tight until then.
[00:03] <bjsnider> nvidia is very good at adding support for new hardware
[00:04] <KB1JWQ> Thought I've seen a way for people to add that blob without having it officially packaged up?
[00:04] <bjsnider> especially on revenue customers like you
[00:04] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, DO...NOT...TRY...THAT
[00:04] <DanaG> one thing that bugs me about NV (that's also true of ATI): confusing naming.
[00:04] <DanaG> Like, what GPU is an FX 380M?
[00:04] <DanaG> How about 1800M?
[00:05] <bjsnider> DanaG, at least you can't blame the driver team for that crap
[00:05] <DanaG> ATI has similar things, but less confusing at least: FirePro M5800; FirePro M7820.
[00:05] <MindVirus> I'm sure they have their reasons.
[00:05] <bjsnider> that's the marketing department
[00:05] <DanaG> my jab at legacy driver: "3 years ago, the nvidia 96 driver stopped being able to do anything but segfault the X server.  And every year, they update the driver to segfault NEW X servers!"
[00:06] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Why do I not want to try that?
[00:06] <MindVirus> DanaG: Seriously?
[00:06] <DanaG> I also wish the nv blob did "buildpkg" like ATI blob does.
[00:06] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, if you somehow succeed you'll pooch the mesa/xorg system to the degree that you'll have to do a wipe/reload
[00:06] <ToxinPowe> hi guys I have this problem: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu21_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[00:06] <ToxinPowe>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so': No such file or directory
[00:06] <ToxinPowe> anyone can help me please?
[00:06] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: k
[00:06] <jtechidna> DanaG: eventually my legacy got to the point where even it being inserted into the chassis caused modprobe to crash :S
[00:06] <jtechidna> *my legacy card
[00:07] <DanaG> heh, my only non-legacy NV system has a GeForce Go 7600, and a dead LCD.
[00:07] <MindVirus> ToxinPowe: What were you trying to do?
[00:07] <DanaG> And it's louder at idle (minimum fan speed on AC) than my EliteBook is... when playing Crysis!
[00:08] <ToxinPowe> MindVirus, daily update, now I can't install anything :/
[00:08] <DanaG> Gateway also had some silly code in their DSDT:
[00:08] <DanaG> If (ACPI temperature is below 40 C) then (set temperature to 40 C).
[00:10]  * DanaG also wonders how Linux on Tegra / Tegra2 would be.
[00:10] <DanaG> Would that hardware be nouveau-compatible?
[00:12] <DanaG> HP fail: firewire_core: created device fw0: GUID<PHONE_NUMBER>223344, S400
[00:12] <DanaG> Means I can't use firewire networking.
[00:13] <yofel> how did it get that ID o.O?
[00:13] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, you could try putting karmic on that laptop and trying the latest blob
[00:13] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Hmm.  Will try.
[00:13] <DanaG> Beats me... it seems to be common among HP laptops.
[00:13] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, the driver is in the nvidia-vdpau ppa
[00:15] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: For karmic or lucid?
[00:15] <vanishing> anyone else cant make plymouth work?
[00:16] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, look: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/NVIDIA_Quadro_NVS_3100M
[00:16] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: OOh.
[00:16] <bjsnider> that means you can wait a couple days untilt he new nvidia-current update is added to the archive
[00:16] <tyranos> vanishing, my plymouth  works  only after i do a sudo apt-get upgrade an restart
[00:16] <bjsnider> until then use vesa
[00:17] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: And I force VESA via...? :-)
[00:17] <bjsnider> xorg.conf
[00:17] <KB1JWQ> k
[00:17] <bjsnider> just replace driver "nvidia" with driver "vesa"
[00:17] <vanishing> tyranos: i did every possible upgrade...not no plymouth showing up during boot up..but it shows when shutting down..
[00:18] <ToxinPowe> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ia32-libs_2.7ubuntu21_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[00:18] <ToxinPowe>  error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so': No such file or directory
[00:18] <ToxinPowe>  any help plz?
[00:18] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, this is nvidia's fault for that stupid driver bug where they were frying graphics chips. nvidia-current did have the 195 blob at one point
[00:18] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Okay, so there is light at the end of the tunnel.
[00:18] <bjsnider> yep
[00:18] <tyranos> vanishing, mines only works one time after the update but when i reboot it doenst show up i get a black screen and have to hit enter then i get the gdm screen
[00:19] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, i'm sure you can use the excellent windows 7 professional until then
[00:19] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Hmm, all I see is an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe
[00:19] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Hah, yeah.  That'll happen.
[00:19] <vanishing> tyranos: i dont have the enter issue...only plymouth not showing up..gdm shows up fine..this is not a big issue..but sure isnt pretty
[00:20] <tyranos> DanaG, anybody having issues with mousetweak ?
[00:20] <tyranos> s
[00:22] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, you paid the microsoft tax
[00:22] <vanishing> anyone else dont have plymouth showing during boot up?
[00:22] <vanishing> @.@
[00:22] <KB1JWQ> vanishing: Black screen or what?
[00:22] <vanishing> KB1JWQ: black screen..
[00:22] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Yeah, but I'm going to run that in a virtual machine once I get things sorted out.
[00:23] <vanishing> KB1JWQ: with blinking cursor.
[00:23] <KB1JWQ> vanishing: Oh, like I've been talking about for the last two straight hours?
[00:23] <vanishing> KB1JWQ: btw..both my ati and intel card dont work..
[00:23] <vanishing> KB1JWQ: o ....i wasnt here..
[00:23] <robin0800> vanishing: wait till the beta1 tomorrow
[00:23] <vanishing> KB1JWQ: mind telling me again?
[00:23] <vanishing> robin0800: whats gonna happen?
[00:25] <vanishing> robin0800: i mean...its been like this for a lone time now..the plymouth black screen issue
[00:26] <robin0800> vanishing: there fixing plymouth problems as we speak https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Plymouth
[00:27] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Progress.  Selecting vesa meant that startx suddenly launches the purple desktop, so yay.
[00:27] <vanishing> robin0800: oh..ok..thanks
[00:27] <KB1JWQ> Mouse and keyboard don't work though, so I can't get out of it.  Restart results in balck screen again.
[00:28] <bjsnider> KB1JWQ, that sucks
[00:28] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Not entirely.  startx has never worked before.
[00:29] <KB1JWQ> That config works.
[00:29] <KB1JWQ> I'm just not sure why it's not being used globally.
[00:30] <swoody> probably been asked many times, so please forgive me, but is Beta 1 still planning on being released today?
[00:30] <CalmvsKhaos> look at topic :)
[00:30] <swoody> d'oh, how did I miss that :P
[00:30] <DanaG> weird... plymouth gives me a black screen, instead of a logo.
[00:31] <CalmvsKhaos> ;)
[00:31] <DanaG> It also gives "ureadahead main process (525) terminated with status 5".
[00:31] <swoody> I just read the topic, too. I must have gone blind after 'Alpha 3' :/
[00:34] <KB1JWQ> There a kernel option I can pass to force VESA?
[00:34] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:35] <BUGabundo> ask in #ubuntu-x
[00:35] <BUGabundo> I saw it there the other day
[00:46] <jason> anyone know what time beta 1 is being released tomorrow/
[00:55] <KB1JWQ> jason: when it's done. :-)
[00:56] <IdleOne> jason: everytime someone asks it adds 1 hour to the release time
[00:56] <NoReflex> just in time for me NOT to ask anymore....:)
[00:59] <NoReflex> did anyone succeeded in installing lynx on a Dell Inspiron 1520? Whenver I tried to boot it it just hang
[01:03] <jason> IdleOne, wow how should I know everyone has been askin
[01:04] <swoody> jason: asking about asking counts too ;)
[01:04] <swoody> it's now the 20th :/
[01:04] <jason> damn it
[01:04] <IdleOne> lmao
[01:04] <jason> <-- Jumps off a cliff
[01:04] <IdleOne> soon as it is released the topic in this channel will be updated
[01:04] <IdleOne> then you will know
[01:05] <swoody> server speeds are still pretty nice with how close the date is :)
[01:05] <jason> whats being downloaded
[01:05] <swoody> IIRC they seemed much busier w/ Karmic
[01:06] <swoody> pre-beta ;)
[01:06] <jason> still
[01:06] <jason> wow
[01:06] <swoody> everyone updating packages, so they can do an 'update-manager -d' tomorrow
[01:06] <swoody> or at least, that's what I would guess :/
[01:07] <NoReflex> swoody, actually it's the 19th and the 18th depending where you are :P
[01:07] <rww> swoody: they could just do an update-manager -d today and then apt-get upgrade tomrrow ;P
[01:07] <swoody> NoReflex: luckily, I'm over here, so it's the 18th for me ;)
[01:07] <NoReflex> 19th here :D
[01:07] <swoody> rww: that's true, too :)
[01:07] <swoody> rww: actually, I think that's what I meant, lol
[01:07] <jason> packages went on my update manager from 284 megs of downloads to 203 megs since I last checked... I've not done any updates on lucid since alpha 2
[01:07] <swoody> not the other way arond
[01:07] <swoody> around*
[01:08] <swoody> brb, rebootin' time :/
[01:08] <rww> jason: Wow! You might want to update, we're a little less crazily unstable than Alpha 2 :)
[01:09] <jason> rww, I was afraid to because things have been so stable so far for me
[01:09] <jason> rww, hence why im so eager to update to beta
[01:09] <jason> rww, but If you think i can update tonight I'll give it a go
[01:10] <rww> jason: It's a development version, so nothing's for certain, but in general I've found Lucid-right-now to be more stable than alpha 2.
[01:11] <rww> plymouth is still broken, but that's been the case for a while ;)
[01:11] <jason> rww, ok well I've got the weekend to fix it if anything goes wrong
[01:12] <CalmvsKhaos> for me alpha 3 is pretty good, only issues im having is if i click/drag a window around (say like gnome terminal) it freezes up for like 5 seconds,but that could be because i have it in vmware too...
[01:13] <swoody> CalmvsKhaos: do you have the Visual Effects turned on in your VM?
[01:13] <jason> I've only had a problem with when hitting enter in an app sometimes it freezes the mouse for a second
[01:13] <CalmvsKhaos> like compiz? hmmm i didnt even check that, good idea :)
[01:14] <swoody> CalmvsKhaos: not sure how nice it plays with VM, but it may not like it :)
[01:14] <DanaG> jason: check in mouse preferences -- uncheck "disable touchpad when typing", perhaps.
[01:15] <jason> hmmm
[01:15] <jason> DanaG, yup... dang it thats not healthy to have by default
[01:15] <DanaG> yeah, it drove me batty.
[01:16] <jason> me too
[01:16] <DanaG> try playing a WASD-based game with touchpad.
[01:16] <jason> exactly
[01:16] <DanaG> what they really should do: suppress just TAPPING while typing.
[01:16] <jason> agreed who cares where the mouse moves to as long as it doesnt produce a click
[01:16] <swoody> DanaG: would be a good bug/request report :)
[01:19] <IdleOne> soon as it is released the topic in this channel will be updated
[01:19] <IdleOne> then you will know
[01:19] <Blake> so beta1 has been delayed?
[01:19] <IdleOne> Blake: you just added an hour to release time by asking
[01:19] <IdleOne> yes delayed
[01:20] <Blake> IdleOne: you don't have to be a smartass man, if you don't like people asking post it on the topic or something
[01:20] <DanaG> «insert <your mom> joke here»
[01:20] <swoody> Blake: it is in the topic ;)
[01:20] <rww> Blake: Yes. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html for details. When it's released, it'll be announced in this channel's topic and at the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/thread.html
[01:20] <IdleOne> Blake: you don't have to assume I am being rude and please watch your language
[01:21] <FANUM> lol.
[01:21] <FANUM> so when is.....
[01:21] <FANUM> just kidding
[01:21] <swoody> >:|
[01:21] <jason> my topic is still the old one in my Xchat?
[01:22] <rww> jason: the /topic currently says "Beta 1 Delayed until 2010-03-19"
[01:22] <rww> (amongst other things)
[01:22] <swoody> for me:
[01:22] <jason> ahh
[01:22] <swoody> "... Beta 1 Delayed until 2010-03-19"
[01:22] <jason> I guess its good so many people are excited about ubuntu nothing wrong with that
[01:22] <magn3ts> Is there a PPA for the current Lucid theme?
[01:23] <DanaG> I find it's funnier to say "insert joke here" than to actually make the lame joke. =þ
[01:23]  * IdleOne will update/upgrade twice a day like I have been and beta will be when it is
[01:23] <DanaG> s/the lame/a lame/
[01:23]  * rww will macro that response he just game and save IdleOne the hassle of typing ;P
[01:23] <rww> gave **
[01:24] <IdleOne> rww: :)
[01:24] <magn3ts> what is the lucid theme called on this page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod?
[01:24] <FANUM> yea, does xchat autoupdate topics?
[01:24] <syk> ambiance?
[01:24] <IdleOne> no
[01:25] <IdleOne> well yes it does
[01:25] <rww> magn3ts: It's a version of Ambiance modified to put the buttons on the right.
[01:25] <IdleOne> when topic is changed xchat will show you the current topic
[01:25] <rww> FANUM: It should do. Regardless, you can type /topic to see the current one.
[01:25] <magn3ts> rww, where can I download ambiance (not the mod)? Is there an artwork ppa or something?
[01:25] <FANUM> rww: oh thats right
[01:26] <FANUM> forgot about that
[01:26] <FANUM> cool. been checking cdimage.ubuntu.com since like midnight.
[01:26] <rww> magn3ts: for Karmic? I don't know, I haven't looked into it.
[01:26] <FANUM> figured irc would be more effective
[01:26] <swoody> speaking of the new themes, what's with the Mac-buntu look? :/
[01:27] <rww> magn3ts: there's a few useful-looking pages at http://www.google.com/search?q=karmic+lucid+theme+ppa , but I haven't used any, so wouldn't know which to recommend.
[01:27] <FANUM> that was one of the short term goals for the next few releases (and karmic) make ubuntu prettier than mac
[01:27] <magn3ts> rww I just found one actually run by nilarimogard
[01:27] <swoody> FANUM: yeah, but it looks like a clone of OSX :/
[01:28] <FANUM> yea iknow
[01:28] <ddecator> whoa, hey swoody haha
[01:28] <FANUM> but its a start. i dig the new color scheme
[01:28] <FANUM> when i think back to 5.04 is amazing how far we have come
[01:28] <CalmvsKhaos> I'll take anything but that horrid brown theme
[01:28] <FANUM> lol, exactly
[01:29] <NoReflex> CalmvsKhaos, +1
[01:29] <swoody> lol, heya ddecator :)
[01:29] <rww> I'm glad to be using an OS that I can customize to look however I like out of the box :)
[01:29]  * swoody would prefer brown to OSX-wannabe silver and purple :P
[01:30] <FANUM> yea, it feels good to install it and be happy for atleast a little while before tearing into the customizaitons
[01:30] <ddecator> swoody: +1
[01:30] <FANUM> karmic was a huge step in the right direction.
[01:31] <swoody> brown was unique, it was different, it gave Ubuntu a niche image
[01:31] <swoody> now it's just another OS
[01:31] <IdleOne> I think Ubuntu should release 5 million different version of ubuntu, all with a different theme. That way people could download whatever the hell they like and stop whining like spoiled little brats about something that is very easily changed in a couple of minutes
[01:31] <FANUM> orange was still kind of bad, but i guess it was just the transition away from brown
[01:31] <rww> IdleOne: I thought that's what derivatives like Mint are for ;P
[01:31] <IdleOne> rww: ahh yeah. NERVER MIND!
[01:31] <IdleOne> never*
[01:32] <swoody> IdleOne: haha, well I don't want to take 30 seconds to change my desktop ;)
[01:32] <FANUM> IdleOne: u can change ubuntu?
[01:32] <FANUM> ;
[01:32] <FANUM> ;)
[01:32] <swoody> FANUM: yes, but only if you pay the subscription fee
[01:32] <swoody> I'll PM you my PayPal address, send me $100 and I'll hook it up for you ;)
[01:32] <FANUM> ok, heres my CC number will u do it for me
[01:32] <rww> although I would be interested in an option to USB Creator called "Transfer my existing per-user settings from this machine to the USB stick" or something
[01:33] <IdleOne> and by the extra-themes-package for $199
[01:33] <FANUM> LOL
[01:33] <FANUM> awesome, can i just pay 500? and download it two and a half times?
[01:33] <IdleOne> rww: that sounds like a good feature request :)
[01:33] <swoody> rww: backup your /home dir? You do have a seperate /home don't you? ;)
[01:33] <IdleOne> FANUM: no, minimum 5 licenses
[01:35] <ddecator> i think they should have a default theme that users can change the color of
[01:36] <IdleOne> umm that is what they have
[01:36] <rww> swoody: wouldn
[01:36] <rww> 't live without one :)
[01:36] <ddecator> i mean where you can select a default color, and everything is the same style (icons, window borders, etc.), but there is a gui where you can easily select a color...not using the appearances menu and adjusting menu colors and everything
[01:37] <NoReflex> I noticed that in lucid there' no initrd.gz but a initrd.lz in a casper dir...I'm used to create bootable usb drives out of CD images...would a syslinux with "default casper/vmlinuz;append initrd=casper/initrd.lz" work?
[01:37] <rww> I think they should make sixteen themes in different colours, and randomly pick one at install time ;P
[01:37] <NoReflex> *syslinux.cfg
[01:37] <swoody> rww: or have them randomly swap everytime you log in :o
[01:38] <swoody> Rainbow-buntu :)
[01:38] <FANUM> ddecator: u can customize any theme with the customize button
[01:38] <FANUM> at the bottom
[01:38] <IdleOne> FANUM: why is it so complicated to do?
[01:38] <ddecator> FANUM: i know, but it's not the most user-friendly for new users imo
[01:38] <FANUM> Idle0ne: ?
[01:39] <IdleOne> why don't they use telepathy to read our minds and use the theme we want
[01:39] <swoody> IdleOne: you want Hot Pink :)
[01:39] <FANUM> lol, now theres a feature for the next release
[01:39] <skierpage> I'm running Kubuntu 9.10 amd64.  I want to install Lucid Lynx onto USB and then boot and run it off USB.  (I don't mean run the LiveCD from USB.)  How?
[01:39] <IdleOne> swoody: why not :P
[01:40] <IdleOne> !usb
[01:40] <IdleOne> see the persistent link
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> Moo You all! :)
[01:40] <swoody> skierpage: or you could just do a regular install, choosing the USB as your HDD instead of your internal disk
[01:40] <IdleOne> moo too yoo
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> I boot my netbook now.. X fails.. i restart GDM... it works.. :) odd.
[01:41] <swoody> skierpage: make sure Grub gets installed on the USB for this version, too
[01:41] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: so working as expected :)
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> IdleOne:  but it dosent always fail to start up X on bootup.
[01:42] <Dr_Willis> So im not even sure what to check/bug report on
[01:42] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: that is to keep you on the tip of your fingers
[01:42] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: would be an X bug I guess
[01:44] <switchgirl> hi does ubuntu lucid have full support for sun java applet's?
[01:44]  * Dr_Willis wonders what 'sun java applets' even are. :)
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> You just dont hear much about java these days..
[01:45] <switchgirl> ie can i use gaydargirls chat room with Ubuntu lucid - if not i'll stick with karmic
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:  i cant think of a reason it woulden tstill work.
[01:46] <switchgirl> the past two times i have tried it it has not supported java fully and then i cant use Gaydargirls chat :'( i paid to talk to other hot lesbian's like myself
[01:46] <switchgirl> lol
[01:46] <yofel> switchgirl: if the applet doesn't work with icedtea6-plugin file a bug
[01:47] <switchgirl> no but seriously it wouldnt work
[01:47] <yofel> switchgirl: if you use sun-java6-plugin wait for it to be fixed if you're using firefox
[01:47] <switchgirl> yofel: when is it likley to be fixed? :)
[01:48]  * switchgirl wants to help
[01:48] <IdleOne> switchgirl: your sexual preference and other sexual topics are !ot and !o4o in -offtopic
[01:48] <DanaG> last time I tried icedtea-plugin, it segfaulted Firefox.
[01:48] <ddecator> it's still doing that?
[01:48] <switchgirl> DanaG: it does that to me
[01:48] <DanaG> "last time I tried" was 3 weeks ago, though.
[01:48] <switchgirl> IdleOne: get a sence of humour....
[01:48] <ddecator> let me find out...
[01:48] <yofel> switchgirl: when the devs get the time to fix it: bug 532174
[01:49] <switchgirl> kk
[01:50] <yofel> switchgirl: set the bug to affect you too, that might help speed things up ;)
[01:50] <switchgirl> i had the same issue in karmic tbh
[01:51] <ddecator> java should work in firefox by the end of beta 2. the devs still aren't exactly sure of the cause
[01:52] <yofel> ddecator: I described the cause in the bug
[01:52] <DanaG> a bug I've had for ages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[01:52] <yofel> or is it they aren't sure if firefox isn't broken after all?
[01:53] <ddecator> yofel: well then they haven't had time to fix it =p. it will get attention once the devs upgrade to lucid
[01:53] <switchgirl> the cause of the bug is that the sys link is not there
[01:53] <switchgirl> so you have the programme but not linked to the software
[01:53] <switchgirl> fact one sec
[01:53] <switchgirl> i MAY have a cure
[01:53] <hexdump_> Hi all, I just wanted to get some feedback on ubuntu 10.04 from those of you who have used it thus far.  So how is it?
[01:54] <ddecator> well that should be a relatively easy fix
[01:54] <swoody> hexdump_: every time you ask, Lucid gets 10% worse :/
[01:54] <switchgirl> at least that was the cure for the problem i had in karmic
[01:54] <yofel> what happend: until now java was in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins, firefox changed the xulrunner packaging though and now it doesn't recoginize that folder anymore, now it has to be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins for firefox to find it
[01:55] <switchgirl> ddecator: every time you say that a Lynx dies
[01:55] <hexdump_> alright
[01:55] <ddecator> switchgirl: every time i say what? o.o
[01:55] <swoody> yofel: ln -s?
[01:56] <yofel> swoody: generally yes, but since the update-alternatives system is used it's a bit more complex.
[01:56] <yofel> swoody: but yes, it's one symlink that needs to be fixed
[01:56] <hexdump_> alright though for real how is it?
[01:57] <ddecator> hexdump_: other than some plymouth trouble i've had, it's been stable
[01:57] <skierpage> IdleOne, swoody Hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent "Method 1: Installing Ubuntu directly to USB drive from installer CD" still requires  me to create a Live CD.  Can I mount the Lucid Lynx .iso and run "the installer" from 10.04?
[01:57] <yofel> hexdump_: depends on your hardware (especially your graphics card on boot for plymouth) and how much stable you need it, it's quite stable In my opinion
[01:57] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/397561/ ddecator the cure is in there somewhere
[01:57] <switchgirl> ddecator: everytime you say "that shouldnt be too hard to fix"
[01:58] <KB1JWQ> bjsnider: Over ehre for a second. :-)  Once it hits the PPA, I was planning on moving to the 2.6.33 kernel.
[01:58] <KB1JWQ> (Specifically for TRIM support; I'm on an SSD here)
[01:59] <yofel> switchgirl: ddecator: line 373 ff
[01:59] <Steil> omg
[01:59] <Steil> any of you gusy ever use chat roulette
[01:59] <ddecator> yofel: ty
[01:59] <hexdump_> thanks for the info.  I think I might just go ahead and upgrade then.
[01:59] <yofel> EXACTLY that fix ;)
[01:59] <swoody> skierpage: well if you install USB creator on your current system, you can install the .iso directly to your USB from your current system
[02:00] <yofel> line 375 alone should be enough I think
[02:00] <yofel> that command is missing from the repos package
[02:00] <arand> How would I debug constant software centre lockups?
[02:00] <hexdump_> thanks again everyone have a good night.
[02:00] <hexdump_> later
[02:01] <switchgirl> yofel: meh... i change it before each logoff
[02:01] <LetsGo67> Why is Beta 1 delayed?  Will it be better?  I heard it was a wannabe Mac.
[02:02] <ddecator> yofel: thanks. i let micah know about it since he deals more with the packaging of firefox
[02:02] <swoody> LetsGo67: yeah, I'm not a big fan of the new theme :/
[02:02] <yofel> LetsGo67: read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[02:02] <swoody> LetsGo67: luckily, it's only a theme ;) and this is Ubuntu, not Windows
[02:02] <skierpage> swoody, IIUC, USB creator will turn my USB into a live CD, but that's not the same as installing Lucid Lynx on a "hard drive" that's actually my USB.
[02:02] <yofel> ddecator: I think I talked to asac about this and he said it should  be fixed in java
[02:03] <swoody> skierpage: you can have it specify to make it a persistant install
[02:04] <LetsGo67> Can we just slit the new theme's throat altogether?
[02:04] <swoody> skierpage: on the bottom of the window: "When starting up from this disk..."   I don't want that filesystem.squashfs stuff, I want an extN partition on my USB containing Lucid Lynx.
[02:05] <DanaG> It's more complicated.
[02:06] <yofel> switchgirl: lmao, hope you have root login over ssh disabled ^^
[02:06] <DanaG> Just boot livecd, and point it at the usb disk device.
[02:06] <LetsGo67> Is there gonna be a vote for the theme?
[02:06] <swoody> skierpage: ah, ok. Then yeah, I'd say use a program to load your .iso, and then install it as usual, selcting your USB as the install disk
[02:06] <LetsGo67> Is this channel logged?
[02:07] <CalmvsKhaos> LetsGo67, i believe ubottu logs ALL channels it's in
[02:07] <swoody> !logs
[02:07] <switchgirl> yofel: 3 better my home dir is encrypted, i dont have an ssh server, and port 22 is locked, also ufw set to be rescrictive, as well as that i'm behind 2 firewalls and a number of routers
[02:07] <arand> LetsGo67: indeed, all ubuntu channels are afaik
[02:07] <LetsGo67> Crud.
[02:07] <LetsGo67> Will the new theme survive?
[02:07] <switchgirl> lol
[02:08] <yofel> switchgirl: sounds nice :)
[02:08]  * switchgirl giggles as LetsGo67 realises there mistake
[02:10] <switchgirl> oh and LetsGo67 personally i think the new theme is more grown up and mature
[02:10] <LetsGo67> Switchgirl glad to see there are female users.  Will the theme survive?
[02:10] <LetsGo67> Oh but why does it look like a Mac?
[02:10] <DanaG> It fails at even that "goal".
[02:10] <switchgirl> http://www.howtoforge.com/mac4lin_make_linux_look_like_a_mac <<<that is NOTHING like the new theme
[02:11] <LetsGo67> :'(
[02:11] <sebsebseb> LetsGo67: Quite a lot of other distros with better default themes than Ubuntu, by the way
[02:12] <swoody> switchgirl: this is more like it: http://maketecheasier.com/turn-your-ubuntu-hardy-to-mac-osx-leopard/2008/07/23
[02:13] <mustelo> when a song is currently playing in rhythmbox and I double click on a playlist to start it, rhythmbox pauses the song and just does nothing... is this a known issue?
[02:13] <LetsGo67> Why not an unique theme?
[02:17] <LetsGo67> I'm gonna leave.  Thanks everyone!  Nice meeting you, Switchgirl.  Later!
[02:17] <switchgirl> i didnt get a chance to say hug you laters :(
[02:21] <skierpage> DanaG , swoody thanks.  So one can't skip the step of booting from some form of liveCD.  I was hoping I could mount the .iso's squashfs and do the Linux equivalent of running wubi.exe to install.
[02:21] <rww> yay, Plymouth actually works for me now on a LiveCD of the daily image :)
[02:21] <DanaG> You could make a second, liveUSB.
[02:21] <DanaG> something awesome you can do with u3 drives: replace the virtual CD with an ISO of Ubuntu.
[02:21] <DanaG> And then install native onto the "flash drive" portion.
[02:26] <LADmaticCA> anyone else getting a bad sector warning from the  disk utility? Or is my drive really failing?
[02:28] <FANUM> LADmticCA: that means the drive is old, and going out
[02:28] <FANUM> that does not nessicarly mean it is shot yet.
[02:28] <psusi> if you see<PHONE_NUMBER>45 bad sectors, you are probably one of the people with a drive that reports the numbers wrong
[02:28] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, unfortunately I just bought this drive :(
[02:28] <FANUM> how many sectors?
[02:29] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, not sure
[02:30] <FANUM> of you go to System-Admisistration-Disk Utility and run the self test, is should tell you
[02:31] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, okay. Under Reallocate Sector Warning it says 1948 sectors
[02:31] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, then I see current pending Sector Count listing 4 sectors
[02:32] <FANUM> so the bottom number is 4?
[02:32] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, okay i see the total 1952
[02:32] <FANUM> the bottom number is 1952?
[02:33] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, it says 1952 Bad Sectors
[02:33] <skierpage> I'm downloading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso .  Will asking if it's any good make it 10% worse ;-)
[02:33] <FANUM> Your drive is dying, I would back up immediatly
[02:33] <FANUM> sorry for the bad news
[02:33] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, i was afraid of that. I bought it like 2 months ago :(
[02:34] <ddecator> anyone know if nvidia 197 will make it into lucid?
[02:34] <FANUM> yea, where did u buy it?
[02:34] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, Fry's it was OEM
[02:34] <CalmvsKhaos> LADmaticCA, dont feel bad one of my external drives (less than a year old is dying) :(
[02:34] <psusi> man I love being able to migrate my root filesystem between disks on the fly
[02:35] <FANUM> Some places like staples will run hard drives over the "Demagnetization Security strip"
[02:35] <FANUM> which can kill a drive right away
[02:35] <FANUM> but fryes should know better, dont think thats the prob
[02:35] <FANUM> psusi: do tell, hows that?
[02:35] <CalmvsKhaos> FANUM, got mine at Costco, that could be the prob, i didnt think of that
[02:36] <psusi> LADmaticCA, you have 1952 pending reallocation?
[02:36] <FANUM> yea, u always have to tell them to not touch the counter with it
[02:36] <psusi> FANUM, lvm
[02:36] <LADmaticCA> psusi, yep
[02:36] <FANUM> oh
[02:36] <psusi> LADmaticCA, outch... that's not good... run an extended selftest
[02:36] <CalmvsKhaos> FANUM, but stores like BESTBUY, they have to demagnatize stuff, or it wont go out the door
[02:36] <LADmaticCA> psusi, okay
[02:36] <FANUM> they usually make me get the manager just to buy a HD
[02:36] <FANUM> it takes a extra 30 min
[02:36] <CalmvsKhaos> eeks
[02:37] <FANUM> but ur drive dose not dye in a month or two
[02:37] <LADmaticCA> this was my first Seagate..is that the problem? lol
[02:37] <FANUM> yes, is it the 8002.11 series?
[02:38] <FANUM> alot of the seagates have boched firmware that sticks the drive into standby mode and you cant even spin up the drive
[02:38] <CalmvsKhaos> Fanum ive set my external drive next to a subwoofer, could that have damaged it too?
[02:38]  * psusi got a fancy new ssd last week and has been playing with it and lvm.. migrated the running root filesystem to it when I got it... just migrated it back off so I can trim the drive
[02:38] <FANUM> and the firmware "Fix" does more damage than it fixes
[02:38] <FANUM> YES
[02:38] <FANUM> that will kill a drive quickly
[02:39] <CalmvsKhaos> :(
[02:39] <FANUM> I know, I do forensics for a living, and i see all of those issues all the time
[02:39] <CalmvsKhaos> i didnt think modern drives were so susceptible to magnets
[02:39] <FANUM> its always the stuff you wouldnt think about
[02:39] <FANUM> there magnetic drives
[02:39] <FANUM> SSD's are not
[02:40] <psusi> FANUM, you know what pisses me off?  when drives DIE... seems like I hardly ever see them have problems that can be diagnosed with SMART.. they just die so hard your bios locks up trying to detect them... happened to the new 1.5 tb wdc green drive with the new 4kb sectors I got last week after 1 day
[02:40] <CalmvsKhaos> ok so with a SSD you don thave to fight the store manager for 30 mins? looks like SSD wins :)
[02:40] <LADmaticCA> FANUM, it's a barracuda 7200.11 something like that
[02:41] <FANUM> Yes, the SSD's can be scanned normally, no worries about the store clerk
[02:41] <FANUM> and the BIOS lock up  be worked around by trying USB adapters
[02:41] <FANUM> to get a clean image
[02:41] <FANUM> does not detect it as an IDE or SATA
[02:41] <CalmvsKhaos> but programs like SpinRite dont work on SSD from what i heard
[02:41] <FANUM> shows up in the USB
[02:42] <psusi> hrm... I don't have one of those... I tried telling the bios not to probe that port, but it seemed like it didn't listen
[02:42] <FANUM> no, cause there is no need. No spinning parts
[02:42] <FANUM> Yea, thats all u need
[02:42] <psusi> figured if I could get the kernel up and running I could try talking to it from linux
[02:42] <CalmvsKhaos> Steve Gibson is smart he'll find a way to fix SSD drives
[02:42] <FANUM> if the drive is f'd, you can still usually get an image and carve the files out
[02:42] <psusi> but the bios would not avoid probing the drive... and if I disabled the whole controller, then it didn't even show up on the pci bus to the kernel
[02:43] <FANUM> Yea, its about how the bios detects the drive. IF you get one of the seagates, with botched frimware
[02:43] <FANUM> your f'd
[02:43] <FANUM> cleanroom time, starting at 1500 just to image it
[02:44] <FANUM> the bios locking is a safety mechanism to protect the MOBO, with usb i cannot damage anything but the USB bus, so you have more leaway
[02:45] <psusi> I don't think it's a safety mechanism... I think it's just the bios not timing out when the drive fails to respond
[02:45] <LADmaticCA> is there a lucid ppa for guaydeque?
[02:46] <FANUM> psusi: the way the bios probes the drive is different, so it is made to freeze if it encouters anything that could damage the hardware
[02:46] <FANUM> or it is a side effect
[02:46] <FANUM> depending on the issue
[02:48] <FANUM> if the board is shorting out, and sending the wrong current the usb will not complain the way the bios will
[02:50]  * psusi is amused at having to pass --please-destroy-my-drive to hdparm
[02:50] <yofel> psusi: you serious?
[02:53] <FANUM> my fav flag ever was from e17 "--yes-i-know-what-im-doing-and-i-understand-the-consequences"
[02:53] <CalmvsKhaos> lol
[02:54] <rww> removing essential packages in apt is fun, too :)
[02:54] <FANUM> lol, ye
[02:54] <rww> "Are you sure you want to remove it? Type 'Yes, I am aware this is a very bad idea' if you are." ~aptitude
[02:54]  * yofel likes the apt version :D
[02:56] <psusi> yofel, yes, I'm serious... and don't call me sherly.... hehe.. about what?
[02:56] <yofel> didn't know that hdparm had such a flag yet...
[02:57] <FANUM> so... xchat? no better options im unaware of?
[02:57] <FANUM> in my switch to ubuntu over 5 years ago, it is the only thing im not satisfied with
[02:58] <ddecator> has anyone tested the 197 nvidia driver that's supposed to fix the fan issue?
[02:58] <sebsebseb> FANUM: Konversation :)
[02:58] <yofel> dunno, irssi or quassel maybe? or just use chatzilla? ^^
[02:58] <FANUM> LOL, i know, hate running kde apps in gnome tho
[02:58] <FANUM> yofel: hmmm havnt tried two of those (dont like irssi tho)
[02:59] <FANUM> sebsebseb: i almost switched to kde just for konversation tho
[02:59] <yofel> FANUM: quassel is qt, doesn't need kde libs though, and qt can be made to look like gtk since 4.5
[02:59] <FANUM> then they came out with 4 and i ran for the hills
[02:59] <FANUM> yea, its not the look tha bothers me, is the dependecies
[03:00] <FANUM> cool, thanks, lookin into it now
[03:00] <maccam94> :-( @ /topic
[03:01] <FANUM> :(
[03:01] <FANUM> lol
[03:01] <maccam94> anyone know what the blocker is/was?
[03:02] <FANUM> ?
[03:02] <yofel> meh, seems like the quassel version in the repos is really built with --WITH_KDE=yes, so it'll need kdebase-runtime and kdelibs5 :(
[03:02] <psusi> yofel, you have to pass it to use some of the more dangerous commands... I'm using it to trim my ssd
[03:03] <yofel> psusi: wasn't the lucid version of hdparm not supposed to have trim support?
[03:03] <psusi> yofel, nope... I built the new version that does
[03:03] <yofel> ah
[03:04]  * psusi watches lvm migrate his mounted root back to the ssd
[03:04] <yofel> ^^
[03:04] <yofel> is lvm hard to set up? never tried it
[03:04] <FANUM> hmmmm.  I don't find it terribly difficult, but then again, today when I noticed that karmic parted can add new partitions to a disk with other partitions that are mounted, and lucid can not, I dug into the source to find the problem and am working with upstream to fix it since they broke it, apparently on purpose...
[03:06]  * psusi didn't use the alt installer... and not only is it lvm, but lvm on top of dmraid... at least my original physical volume is
[03:06] <FANUM> yofel: i know, its a dangerous thing to say, i switched to ubuntu with the firs unoffical release (before the silly names), but MIRC was excellent
[03:06] <psusi> when I upgraded to lucid I actually made an lvm snapshot of my karmic root, rebooted using the snapshot as the root, and did a dist-upgrade there to see if it would work, retaining the ability to reboot back into karmic
[03:07] <FANUM> even if it was built for a platform that is 30year old patched together unmanaged code
[03:07] <FANUM> psusi: was that the default? or did you have to configure that?
[03:07] <psusi> FANUM, was what the default?
[03:07] <FANUM> snapshot during upgrade
[03:08] <psusi> oh of course it wasn't automatica
[03:09] <psusi> I told lvm to make me a snapshot, then I rebooted and told grub to change the root= parameter to the new snapshot volume
[03:09] <h00k> AlanChicken: gconf-editor
[03:10] <h00k> why was my backlog broken
[03:10] <psusi> unfortunately there is not yet any way to merge the snapshot back into the original or to convert the snapshot it a stand alone volume... merging it back into the original and replacing it with the modified snapshot just went into the upstream kernel
[03:10] <psusi> so I ended up having to create a new logical volume once I was happy with lucid and did a cp -a to copy all files to it, rebooted using that as the root, and deleted the snapshot
[03:11] <anichols> Ah, so that is what happened to Beta-1.  I was wondering if I was looking in the right place for the ISO.
[03:11] <anichols> Any idea what caused the delay?
[03:12] <yofel> anichols: not really, what we know is https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> Any idea what would cause / solve "the following packages have been kept back?"
[03:12] <ddecator> kb1
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> dist-upgrade didn't solve these two.  udisks and parted
[03:12] <ddecator> whoops
[03:12] <FANUM> psusi: still, that is freaking sweet
[03:12] <FANUM> never thought of that
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> jwq?
[03:12] <ddecator> KB1JWQ: it usually means it wasn't built for your system successfully
[03:13] <holstein> KB1JWQ: i went into synaptic
[03:13] <anichols> yofel: Thank you for the heads up.
[03:13] <ddecator> KB1JWQ: *yet
[03:13] <holstein> and did them seperatly
[03:13] <FANUM> KB1JWQ: yea, did you try "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[03:13] <FANUM> because just upgrade, some packages dont qualify
[03:13] <holstein> actully, i think i just did udisks and parted was sorted out
[03:13] <yofel> KB1JWQ: for udisks you should need to remove devicekit-disks I think, check if you have that installed
[03:13] <ddecator> KB1JWQ: on 64-bit, i've had about 5 packages not upgrading for around a week now
[03:13] <anichols> I figure I can wait a day longer before I change HDDs in my laptop and start up with Lucid....gives me more time to figure out how to get my USB stick to work as a Live USB.
[03:14] <KB1JWQ> FANUM: 20:12:40 < KB1JWQ> dist-upgrade didn't solve these two.  udisks and parted
[03:14] <ddecator> i also have a gstreamer package not upgrading...
[03:14] <anichols> I tried to set my stick up (just as a test) as a Hardy Live USB, but it failed.
[03:14] <holstein> KB1JWQ: i had that issue... go to synaptic
[03:14] <holstein> that worked for me
[03:14] <holstein> search udisks and select to upgrade just that package
[03:15] <KB1JWQ> YEah, I can override, but it looks like it'd break some risky stuff.
[03:15] <KB1JWQ> libpart for isntance.
[03:15]  * yofel does some advertising for the aptitude curses interface again, run 'sudo aptitude' to try it
[03:15] <KB1JWQ> I may just wait a bit. :-)
[03:15] <holstein> no overide for me
[03:15] <holstein> just one package
[03:15] <rww> KB1JWQ: there's a new version of libparted. pastebin the output from the override and I'll check it's okay
[03:15] <holstein> udisks
[03:15] <holstein> by itself
[03:15] <holstein> upgraded
[03:15] <ddecator> yofel: updating/upgrading with aptitude could resolve that?
[03:15]  * rww had the same problem, ended up swapping versions of some library
[03:16] <KB1JWQ> rww: YEah, wants to go from libpart 1.5 or so to libpart0
[03:16] <coz_> finally my web cam works on ubuntu after several version of confusion:)  logitech sphere... no issues so far...hope this stays the same after release :)
[03:16] <KB1JWQ> That's scary. :-)
[03:16] <yofel> ddecator: it has a nicer way to tell you what's broken and why and let's you choose one of several solutions
[03:16] <rww> KB1JWQ: yeah, that's what mine did. worked fine for me
[03:17] <ddecator> yofel: huh, didn't realize that. i knew aptitude was the preferred method, but i have never tried it haha
[03:17] <rww> aptitude <3
[03:17] <yofel> ddecator: yeah, not many seem to know that aptitude has a curses interface, sad fact :(
[03:18] <ddecator> yofel: i'll try to break my habit and start using that =
[03:18] <ddecator> =)*
[03:19] <xsacha> hey guys. is there any way to permanently set webcam settings (as set in v4l2ucp)?
[03:21] <xsacha> i live in a country where the power supply is 50hz and find i have to continually open v4l2ucp and set frequency to 50hz (it defaults to 60hz)
[03:21] <KB1JWQ> Anyone found a decent gnome panel applet that they'd recommend? :-)
[03:21] <KB1JWQ> I'm liking the system monitor.
[03:21] <FANUM> later people, wine run, catch u later (hopefully there will be some beta action when i get back :)
[03:21] <xsacha> FANUM: wine run means you're testing wine right? not running to the closest bottle-o\
[03:22] <FANUM> LOL, no i dont need no stinking windows apps, bottle time
[03:25] <maccam94> xsacha: what's wrong with that? your computer converts the power to DC. the Hz has to do with the number of frames per second the camera records, not your AC current
[03:29] <DanaG> Actually, that's not quite the whole story.
[03:29] <DanaG> Webcams do often have AC Line Noise Compensation".
[03:30] <DanaG> For example, they'll filter out brightness changes that are timed at 60Hz.
[03:30] <DanaG> s/For example,//
[03:32] <xsacha> maccam94, my problem is v4l2ucm settings are not permanent. only for this session. how to make them permanent?
[03:32] <jimlovell777> I've had a few xorg crashes the past few days and the apport crash tool brings a few questions to mind. If a bug already exists for the problem I had is the collected info still sent if I select "This also affects me"? Also the dialog mentions the gdm logs files *might* contain sensitive info. It would be nice if it elaborated a bit, sensitive could mean username, bookmarks, password lists to everything on your hard drive. The nature of
[03:34] <ddecator> jimlovell777: no, it's not added to the report if you say it's the same as what you had (no need for identical info). the personal info can be contained in a file added to crash reports, but crash reports are private by default so only a select subset of the community can see the report and make sure those files are removed before it's made public
[03:34] <xsacha> im just getting plymouthd crashes
[03:34] <ddecator> xsacha: with the latest build?
[03:34] <xsacha> from a fresh install, latest update
[03:34] <ddecator> (of plymouth specifically)
[03:34] <xsacha> install, -> reload, -> update
[03:34] <DanaG> xsacha: check if the webcam driver has a module parameter to specify that option.
[03:35] <ddecator> huh, i thought they fixed most of the issues with plymouth...it's still not showing right for me either though =\
[03:35] <xsacha> DanaG: webcam driver being v4l2? where do you change parameters?
[03:35] <DanaG> I mean, in my case, the driver is "uvcvideo"
[03:35] <xsacha> ddecator, it doesnt seem to affect me. i dont notice anything different. it just tells me it crashed every boot
[03:36] <DanaG> bummer, no module parameters.
[03:36] <ddecator> xsacha: that's odd...have you checked if it's reported on launchpad yet?
[03:36] <DanaG> hmm, I wonder if you can twiddle gstreamer options to get the parameter auto-set.
[03:36] <xsacha> isnt there some config file for v4l2? oh DanaG my driver is uvcvideo too
[03:36] <jimlovell777> ddecator: Thanks for the info. I know what's contained in a crash reports varies wildly based on what crashed but in this instance, any idea what could be in the files? I could see where logs with ip traffic and mac address might be iffy but I can't figure it out for xorg. I'm curious more than anything, not overly concerned.
[03:37] <akav> and here I was all excited to install 10.04 on a notebook I just got...
[03:37] <DanaG> hmm, I use guvcview.
[03:37] <xsacha> i just find it odd that the v4l2 control panel settings aren't permanent. i dont see any reason why they wouldnt be. they even have a reset to default button
[03:37] <akav> but beta 1 comes tomorrow?
[03:37] <DanaG> my webcam has "macro" mode, where you can hold something about 2.5 inches away and it's in focus.
[03:37] <ddecator> jimlovell777: your password and account numbers are two of the major possibilities
[03:37] <ddecator> akav: should
[03:38] <xsacha> DanaG: mine has autofocus (and it works for things only 1 inch away).. but only with the windows software
[03:38] <DanaG> mine's a manual toggle both here and in Linux.
[03:38] <DanaG> oh, check out guvcview.
[03:38] <xsacha> ok
[03:38] <DanaG> not sure if the settings it makes are persistent, though.
[03:38] <akav> that explains why the wiki has a dead link to releases.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <xsacha> i have a quickcam pro 9000 by the way
[03:38] <DanaG> er, "both here and in Windows"
[03:39] <ddecator> jimlovell777: although the most sensitive info is usually contained in one file while only a few people can access when absolutely necessary. other private info can be contained in the stacktraces, so depending on what caused the crash, some passwords can get included in the report
[03:39] <xsacha> ok guvcview has a few more options.. frame rate was set at only 25??
[03:40] <ddecator> jimlovell777: s/one file while/one file that
[03:40] <DanaG> Framerate and resolution tend to be inversely proportional.
[03:40] <xsacha> max resolution is only 960x720?
[03:40] <DanaG> I can do 1600x1200...  but only about 0.5 fps. =þ
[03:40] <xsacha> my webcam can do 1600x1200 at 15 fps on windows.. and 960x720 at 30 fps
[03:40] <DanaG> hmm. maybe there are some bugs going on, then.
[03:40] <xsacha> and my program that i developed seems to allow this when i specify these settings manually
[03:41] <xsacha> but guvcview only reports 15 fps max for 960x720
[03:41] <xsacha> and no higher res
[03:41] <DanaG> Weeeeird.
[03:41] <xsacha> is there a way to force it higher in guvcview?
[03:42] <DanaG> hmm, try guvcview --help
[03:42] <xsacha> ohh i changed video input from mjpg to yuyv and it now shows 1600x1200
[03:42] <xsacha> but now i get: VIDIOC_S_FORMAT - Unable to set format: Input/output error
[03:43] <DanaG> ah, -v helps.
[03:43] <jimlovell777> ddecator: lol I half thought you were joking at first. Not a biggie though thanks for answering the question ;)
[03:43] <KB1JWQ> There a decent way to get the background image to randomly change to images from a specified directory?
[03:43] <xsacha> and i cant open the program to fix it.. im stuck lol
[03:43] <DanaG> verbose.
[03:43] <DanaG> there's a .guvcviewrc file
[03:43] <ddecator> jimlovell777: no problem =)
[03:44] <xsacha> in windows im pretty sure it is not yuyv or mjpg but something else
[03:45] <ddecator> avi?
[03:45] <xsacha> no.. similar to rgb
[03:45] <DanaG> bgr, perhaps?
[03:45] <anichols> Is there a way to make a lucid-alpha-3 live USB?  I tried making a Live USB earlier with UNetbootin, but after I got it up and running, the entire computer crashed out within 30 seconds...couldn't even try the install process.
[03:45] <xsacha> anyway it doesnt let me choose anything else in guvcview :(
[03:46] <KB1JWQ> Nevermind, found a soution.
[03:47] <ddecator> anichols: the usb startup creator in ubuntu worked for me
[03:47] <anichols> ddecator: No such utility here...how do I install it?
[03:48] <rww> anichols: install the usb-creator package
[03:48] <xsacha> DanaG: ok now i cant open any webcam program :( even when i changed the config file back to using mjpg. it keeps trying to use yuyv. i even tried deleting the config file
[03:48] <DanaG> try guvcview --help
[03:48] <ddecator> anichols: what version of ubuntu are you running? it's installed by default since at least karmic
[03:48] <DanaG> there are command-line parameters to force stuff.
[03:48] <rww> ddecator: (since exactly karmic. I had to check for someone earlier :)
[03:48] <anichols> ddecator: I'm in hardy at the moment.  Been sticking with LTS versions.
[03:49] <rww> anichols: usb-creator isn't in Hardy's regular repository, you'd need to enable hardy-backports
[03:49] <anichols> ddecator: How do I install that package?  sudo apt-get install usb-creator?
[03:49] <ddecator> anichols: it's in the hardy backports repo
[03:49] <xsacha> DanaG: ahh i had to reconnect my camera to reset it
[03:49] <rww> ubottu: backports | anichols
[03:49] <anichols> ddecator: rww: hardy backports repo = ?
[03:50] <rww> anichols: see the link ubottu just sent you
[03:50] <anichols> It's like learning DOS all over again. *laughs*
[03:51] <ddecator> ubottu: backports > anichols
[03:51] <ddecator> rww: that will send him the message ;)
[03:51] <ddecator> yofel: aptitude wanted to remove openoffice =(
[03:51] <anichols> I'm reading it, however it's not exactly telling me what I need to do. *mutters and starts bashing at the keyboard*
[03:52] <yofel> ddecator: did you by chance try to install openclipart-openoffice.org?
[03:53] <ddecator> yofel: no. i just used "sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" and in order to upgrade the held-back packages it wanted to remove several packages, including openoffice
[03:53] <xsacha> DanaG: is it just that the linux driver doesnt expose the other video formats like rgb3?
[03:53] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure.
[03:54] <DanaG> maybe google for <webcam model> and "v4l"
[03:54] <anichols> Which of these backports do I need to install to get usb-creator to be recognized by apt-get?
[03:54] <ddecator> anichols: universe, if you're going to enable the whole repo
[03:55] <anichols> ddecator: Which I'm not seeing on this list.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/
[03:55] <anichols> ddecator: Am I even look in the right area here, or just wasting my time trying to figure this out instead of wasting a CD-R on an alpha version of Lucid?
[03:55] <ddecator> anichols: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/usb-creator
[03:55] <yofel> ddecator: you would have to find out which package it is then, try to run the curses interface, press shift+u, then e for examine if it tells you that there are conflicts
[03:56] <ddecator> yofel: ...right
[03:56] <anichols> ddecator: Thank you
[03:56] <ddecator> anichols: no problem =)
[03:56] <xsacha> DanaG: so whenver i reconnect camera or reboot computer, the settings are reset no matter what (even overrides config file)? very annoying.
[03:57] <anichols> ddecator: I can get frustrated very easily...especially when it's got to be 90 degrees in here, at midnight, after a very early morning. *laughs*
[03:57] <DanaG> hmm, what's a good, easy web page editor thingy to use?
[03:57] <ddecator> anichols: lol, understandable
[03:58] <DanaG> openoffice fails -- images don't size correctly or wrap correctly.
[03:58] <anichols> ddecator: How do I access it now that I've installed it?
[03:58] <anichols> ddecator: Purely command line?
[03:58] <anichols> ddecator: Nevermind, I got it running.
[03:58] <ddecator> anichols: System > Administration > Startup Disk Creator
[03:59] <anichols> ddecator: Create a USB startup disc == Startup Disk Creator
[03:59]  * anichols feels really stupid right now.
[03:59] <ddecator> anichols: might say different things depending on the version, haha
[04:00] <DanaG> ah, kompozer
[04:02] <DanaG> weird... sometimes when my system is under heavy CPU load, it'll generate a SATA bus error (audible indication is CD drive resetting).
[04:08] <anichols> DanaG: I just use Text Editor for manipulating html files.
[04:09] <DanaG> argh, kompozer fails even worse than openoffice.
[04:10] <DanaG> It won't even let me put a picture "centered" with text wrapping above and below.
[04:10] <DanaG> Openoffice tries... but it doesn't work in the browser.
[04:10] <DanaG> KompoZer.... doesn't even try.
[04:12] <DanaG> And it uses pixels, which makes things not dpi-independent.
[04:12] <DanaG> weird... removing the image and re-adding it fixed it.
[04:21] <DanaG> wow, kompozer has really bad UI.
[04:21] <DanaG> triple-click in a paragraph box... it opens a "properties" window UNFOCUSED.
[04:22] <nishanth> does any one know how to fix the left click when working the flash  player
[04:23] <DanaG> oh, and backspacing over paragraphs moves the editing cursor around seemingly randomly.
[04:23] <harisund> hey guys, apparently pastebinit package has a bug in Karmic that is fixed in Lucid. How do I get this package in karmic without having to upgrade anything else or my entire machine?
[04:24] <yofel> nishanth: there should be a pretty large bug on launchpad for it with a workaround, don't remember the bug number though
[04:26] <yofel> nishanth: ah, should be bug 410407
[04:26] <yofel> google to the rescue...
[04:26] <DanaG> oh, and I'll click in the middle of a line, and it will start typing on the LINE ABOVE!
[04:32] <harisund> Any suggestions on getting a package from Lucid to be installed in Karmic?
[04:33] <yofel> harisund: install the package and it's dependencies and pray to god you don't break anything
[04:34] <harisund> yofel: You mean by downloading a .deb file? Where do I find the .deb files?
[04:34] <yofel> harisund: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:36] <harisund> Thank you! I will do that now .. also, could you explain what 'backports' are?
[04:36] <yofel> harisund: btw, *which* package do you want to install?
[04:36] <yofel> harisund: an backports are updated packages from a newer release built for an older release
[04:37] <yofel> s/an/and
[04:37] <harisund> pastebinit <-- Which doesn't exist in the webpage you showed (it only shows there's a package for karmic .. and that has a bug which renders it useless pretty much)
[04:38] <yofel> harisund: that's odd, pastebinit 0.11.2-1 should be in karmic/universe
[04:38] <harisund> oh never mind, it exists in Lucid. I am going to try it now.
[04:38] <yofel> ah
[04:38] <harisund> 1.0-0ubuntu3: all exists in Lucid .. so would this be 'backported' to karmic?
[04:38] <yofel> harisund: no, backported would be actually built for karmic and available in karmic-backports
[04:39] <harisund> hmmm so my best bet would be to download this .deb and go ahead and install it?
[04:39] <yofel> harisund: well, installing pastebinit from lucid in hardy should work if it doesn't require an updated python-configobj
[04:40] <yofel> s/hardy/karmic
[04:40] <harisund> haha yeah ... I just wish there was a better, cleaner way that's al
[04:41] <yofel> harisund: not really, if anything it would be to get the lucid source and build the package for karmic
[04:41] <yofel> harisund: but for pastebinit just try to install the package, should work
[04:41] <harisund> :)
[04:47] <QueenZ> Hi
[04:48] <QueenZ> Why was Beta 1 delayed?
[04:48] <ddecator> we don't know the exact reason
[04:48] <yofel> QueenZ: here's what we know https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[04:48] <QueenZ> ddecator: that's sad
[04:49] <ddecator> yofel: do you just have the link at the ready at this point? ;)
[04:49] <QueenZ> haha
[04:49] <yofel> ddecator: I'll keep the page open in firefox until beta is released so I can c&p it :P
[04:50] <ddecator> yofel: you'll probably be up a while then =p
[04:50] <QueenZ> should be added to topic
[04:50] <yofel> QueenZ: that would make the topic too long and the message in the topic is enough usually
[04:51] <QueenZ> oh ok
[05:29] <sulle> How can i install lucid lynx through the terminal?
[05:29] <yofel> sulle: do you mean text-mode install from the cd or upgrade?
[05:30] <sulle> upgrade
[05:30] <sulle> dont have the cd, i have the netbook remix installed.
[05:31] <yofel> sulle: GUI: 'sudo update-manager -d' CLI: 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d', for the netbook remix  you should use update-manager I think
[05:34] <sulle> it only says that i got the newest release. but i dont have the version that i can see screenshots of on the net while searching for lucid lynx. I dont know if you understand what i am meaning.
[05:34] <Some_Person> Lucid just crashed and the partition is screwed up
[05:35] <yofel> sulle: what does 'lsb_release -rd' in a terminal tell you?
[05:35] <sulle> I have the netbook remix version, but i just want the lucid lynx desktop version.
[05:35] <Some_Person> GParted in my karmic install says "Unable to detect filesystem!"
[05:35] <Some_Person> It's detected as an "unknown" partition
[05:36] <Some_Person> How do I fix this?
[05:37] <yofel> sulle: can't help you then, I don't know how to switch between netbook and desktop
[05:37] <sulle> Okok, thanks alot annyways yofel :)
[05:38] <yofel> Some_Person: o.O, what's the partition supposed to be? ext4? and are you sure you're trying to mount the right device?
[05:38] <Some_Person> ext4
[05:38] <Some_Person> Yes, it's the right device
[05:39] <yofel> Some_Person: hm, you could try it to mount it with '-t ext4' or try to fsck.ext4 it first
[05:41] <Some_Person> thank you! fsck.ext4 seems to have fixed it
[05:47] <lunks> So, where can I find more about Lucid besides those links at the topic? I've read them already
[05:48] <lunks> Like 'Will there be a new skin?' or smth like it.
[05:53] <Linux000> lunks: the ui freeze is in effect, so the default theme will stay, but you can always use your own
[05:55] <ddecator> the default themes are still in development though
[05:55] <lunks> Linux000, sure, that was just an example. I just would like to know if there's an website citing some new features, or anything.
[05:55] <neatchee> Would anyone be able to help figure out why I can't seem to access my win7 samba share?
[05:55] <Linux000> lunks: None that I know of
[05:55] <Linux000> neatchee: I'll try
[05:56] <Linux000> neatchee: What's the problem?
[05:56] <neatchee> Linux000: smbclient -L //win7_IP_here/ gives me session request to win7_IP_here failed (Called name not present)
[05:57] <neatchee> it can read the sharenames just fine
[05:57] <yofel> lunks: there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ and the links on that page, but the beta release page would be a better source of information once  it's out
[05:57] <Linux000> Hmm... How did you set up the share on win7? could it a security issue?
[05:58] <lunks> Thanks, yofel! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview was the link. :D
[05:58] <lunks> Can I install menume on 9.04?
[05:58] <Linux000> neatchee: How did you set up the share on win7? could it a security issue?
[05:58] <lunks> MeMenu, actually. :>
[05:59] <neatchee> Linux000, doubtful.  Even with no shares set up in win7, that should at least give me a successful connection result
[05:59] <neatchee> that command isn't trying to access a particular share volume, it's just trying to connect to the smbserver
[05:59] <Linux000> lunks: no I've tried to, MeMenu is only in the Lucid Repo's
[05:59] <lunks> Linux000, is it cool as it sounds?
[06:00] <lunks> Linux000, I may try 10.04 when beta is out
[06:00] <Linux000> neatchee: Well, if it isn't a security issue, I'm out of help, I use win7 as a client, ubuntu as server
[06:01] <Linux000> lunks: Belive it or not, I upgraded to 10.04 in alpha just to try it, when it works, it's great, I still have issues with it
[06:02] <neatchee> Damn :\
[06:02] <lunks> Linux000, great to hear it's great! :D What issues did you encounter when using it?
[06:02] <lunks> neatchee, I usually try setting up RDP first, then when I'm successful and positively sure I can access the Windows machine, I try setting shares
[06:02] <Linux000> lunks: sometimes it randomly sets my status as offline, and I can't change it.
[06:03] <ddecator> Linux000: what sets your status as offline?
[06:03] <lunks> neatchee, but yeah, most of the times it's easier to use WinSCP on the otherside, SSH is great for anything. Blame smb. :P
[06:03] <Linux000> ddecator: MeMenu
[06:03] <ddecator> that's odd...
[06:03] <ddecator> Linux000: fully up-to-date i'm guessing?
[06:04] <neatchee> lunks: i'm RDP'd in right now :P
[06:04] <Linux000> Yes, excluding the beta, that wasn't released
[06:04] <lunks> neatchee, install winscp and be happy. :)
[06:04] <ddecator> strange, i've never had that
[06:05] <Linux000> Glad to see I'm the only one
[06:05] <lunks> Winscp+SSH is much better than smb@linux+windows
[06:06] <yofel> if you have ssh running you can also just use filezilla and sftp...
[06:07] <yofel> I think there was an issue with nautilus and password protected smb shares I think. The only samba share I have here is on a linux box and works fine
[06:09] <lunks> I have the exactly same setup as neatchee, but it wasn't working before for some reason. Now it does, and I didn't change anything, apparently.
[06:09] <neatchee> lunks: winscp doesn't help me -_-; i need the win7 box to be the server
[06:09] <leifw> so what's the deal with the beta build?
[06:09] <leifw> broken somehow?
[06:10] <yofel> leifw: seems so
[06:10] <leifw> :/
[06:10] <yofel> leifw: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[06:11] <leifw> ahh, just extra checking
[06:11] <leifw> that's nice, actually
[06:11] <FANUM> yofel: u having problems with samba?
[06:11] <yofel> FANUM: not me, neatchee has issues
[06:13] <neatchee> FANUM: can't seem to get ubuntu to connect to a share on a win7 box
[06:13] <neatchee> and all the documentation i've found is for setting up a samba server on linux
[06:13] <neatchee> instead of the other way around
[06:14] <FANUM> but you are trying to use the IP instead of the hostname?
[06:14] <neatchee> correct
[06:14] <neatchee> and wow
[06:15] <neatchee> Places -> Connect to Server... -> Windows share actually works
[06:15] <lunks> What do you use to manage contacts on Ubuntu?
[06:15] <neatchee> but any other method (smbclient from terminal, smb://IP_or_hostname/)
[06:15] <neatchee> doesn't work
[06:15] <neatchee> that's rather strange
[06:16] <FANUM> take a look here http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/75-63-windows-samba-issue
[06:18] <neatchee> FANUM: IP works from Connect to Server dialog, hostname does not
[06:18] <neatchee> and from that i got the proper working format for doing it direct from nautilus<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:19] <FANUM> yea that should be correct.
[06:19] <FANUM> i know there are some issues (and were with vista too) that may of not been resolved yet
[06:19] <neatchee> yeah but shouldn't smb://ip.add.re.ss/sharename expose a login prompt?
[06:20] <FANUM> yes
[06:20] <neatchee> yeah, it doesn't lol
[06:20] <FANUM> unless its in your keyring
[06:20] <neatchee> i'll submit a bug report on all this tomorrow
[06:21] <FANUM> yea, have u searched for one already? to save someone having to mark it a dupe?
[06:21] <neatchee> yup
[06:21] <neatchee> only a few samba related issues up right now
[06:21] <neatchee> and none of them are related to samba client
[06:22] <FANUM> ok, yea i would post that as soon as possible
[06:23] <neatchee> tomorrow, when i can think and type coherently lol
[06:24] <FANUM> lol
[06:33] <Fudge> hi, I believe I may have found a problem when reutrning from suspend and authenticating
[06:34] <ddecator> Fudge: and what is that?
[06:34] <hifi> probably the old alpha 3 bug
[06:34] <Fudge> when i turn machine back and get the dialog box up to authenticate, it says ehecking and nothing else. does not return me back to my gnome session
[06:34] <hifi> thats known and fixed I believe
[06:34] <Fudge> yes it is alpha3, havnt upgraded to beta yet :)
[06:35] <Fudge> ah thats fantastic, very glad :)
[06:35] <hifi> please upgrade before reporting
[06:35] <mgalas> hey fudge...
[06:35] <Fudge> I apolagize, I did come in last night to ask about it though for me that was the 18th and the beta may have already been released therefore prob could have ben told same thing. Could you please verify beta has fixed the issue?
[06:36] <Fudge> hi mgalas
[06:36] <mgalas> where are you getting you're beta?
[06:36] <mgalas> i've looking allover 4 it
[06:36] <hifi> is running update-manager that hard after installing a snapshot
[06:36] <rww> mgalas: it isn't out yet
[06:37] <ddecator> the .iso isn't
[06:37] <Fudge> hifi, I am throttled and am not using direct lucid, it is anothe rproject
[06:37] <ddecator> technically, if you have lucid installed and up-to-date, you're kind of running beta now =p
[06:37] <hifi> ah
[06:37] <Fudge> we in Australia get throttled to 64kb if go over download limit per month
[06:37] <mgalas> yawn!
[06:38] <hifi> that sucks, bad
[06:38] <Fudge> its not up to date as it was breaking screen reading modules, how ever that is not related to lucid it is a maintainer issue
[06:38] <Fudge> hifi mate it does indeed, upped from 60 to 100gig plan hopeully that helps
[06:40] <hifi> you easily forget even still people actually use dialup when you've used unlimited DSL for years
[06:42] <ddecator> i'm finally getting my grandma off of dialup
[06:44] <peanutsguy> well... night 2 u all...
[06:44] <peanutsguy> 12:45 am in mexico...
[06:45] <hifi> here 3G has practically replaced dialup
[06:45] <ddecator> 1:45am here and still going =)
[06:45] <ddecator> hifi: where is here?
[06:45] <hifi> finland
[06:46] <ddecator> cool =)
[06:46] <Linux000> ddecator: where is here?
[06:46] <ddecator> Linux000: chicago
[06:47] <Linux000> ddecator: My computer thinks I'm there right now, ubuntu setup doesn't have texas*groan*
[06:47] <DanaG> ugh, kompozer continually steals focus any time the mouse moves over it.
[06:47] <DanaG> And it in fact moves itself in front of all other windows!
[06:53] <Fudge> hifi i have adsl2 plan 20mps but only get 10down and they still throttle to dialup speed
[06:57] <ddecator> Fudge: is that for everyone?
[06:57] <Adelante> so, what about beta1? how soon?
[06:57] <ddecator> yes, soon
[06:57] <ddecator> tomorrow (or today, depending where you are)
[06:58] <Adelante> i'am waiting...
[06:59] <Fudge> typically a throttle speed in australia is 64kb, business plans can get 128kb. some isp's have better plans at higher cost how ever. Others you pay for the excess and retain speed and some like mine you can purchase data blocks but I used the 4gig I bought in two days and it cost me a rip off price of 20aud bout 17usd at a guess
[06:59] <ddecator> yah 4 gigs can go quick, haha
[07:00] <ddecator> Adelante: this is all we know about the beta delay: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[07:07] <balas> whats the best working soundchipset for lucid ?
[07:08] <balas> just works
[07:08] <balas> and well
[07:13] <balas> can anyone recommened a very nice sound chipset for ubuntu ?
[07:13] <balas> lucid
[07:15] <ddecator> what i have works, although i'm not sure what it is...you could check the wiki for supported hardware
[07:15] <balas> i have an ALC888 i was hoping for better for a single green analog plug
[07:16] <Fudge> it would be so cool if someone wrote an add in module for gnome volume control providing a graph eq
[07:19] <ddecator> balas: not sure if this is the kind of thing you are looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards
[07:20] <balas> thanks
[07:33] <perscitus> uh. No beta1 release?
[07:34] <solid_liq> uh
[07:34] <solid_liq> I'm guessing it's just not quite out to mirrors yet
[07:35] <ddecator> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[07:35] <ddecator> perscitus: ^
[07:35] <perscitus> darn it. i was hoping to test in vbox
[07:35] <perscitus> I cant do it on machine til ATI driver release
[07:36] <ddecator> not much longer =)
[07:36] <perscitus> Think ATI will release ontime?
[07:36] <solid_liq> hrm, I really need to report a critical issue before the release
[07:36] <ddecator> idk what the status is, but i'm sure if there is trouble with ati then it's getting a good amount of attention from devs
[07:37] <ddecator> solid_liq: critical issue?
[07:37] <perscitus> solid_liq,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/506656 ?
[07:37] <solid_liq> ddecator, my laptop, running 10.04 daily, hangs at random times (core i5 proc with its integrated Intel GMA GPU)
[07:38] <solid_liq> as in, complete lockup where I have to hold the power button for 5 seconds to shut it off
[07:38] <ddecator> is that bug report it?
[07:39] <solid_liq> ddecator, huh?
[07:39] <ddecator> solid_liq: the bug report that perscitus mentioned and ubottu displayed
[07:39] <solid_liq> ddecator, no
[07:40] <perscitus> ddecator,   yours is Intel though
[07:40] <ddecator> solid_liq: have you checked launchpad to see if it has been reported?
[07:41] <solid_liq> ddecator, I'm trying, but it's hard to search for
[07:41] <ddecator> solid_liq: best method is using google: "site:bugs.launchpad.net <search terms>"
[07:45] <perscitus> oh oh. solid_liq  ATI bug is fixed
[07:45] <perscitus> solid_liq,   bug 494699
[07:46] <solid_liq> I don't have ATI
[07:46] <rww> perscitus: so fglrx theoretically works on lucid now?
[07:46] <rww> s/now/after beta unfreeze/
[07:46] <perscitus> rww,   just comment
[07:46] <perscitus> last comment oops
[07:46] <ddecator> rww: might not be on the mirrors yet, but it should be out soon
[07:47] <perscitus> So it end up in  beta updates then i guess
[07:47] <ddecator> or they might add that just before releasing the beta
[07:47] <ddecator> if it affected a lot of people, that could have been part of why they delayed the release
[07:47] <rww> ddecator: it's coming out post-beta1, according to the bug
[07:48] <ddecator> rww: gotcha. my comp is really slow right now so i haven't looked at any of these reports =p
[07:48] <solid_liq> well, I just disabled compiz to see if that will fix the problem
[07:49] <perscitus> ddecator,  Alberto Milone  wrote 15 hours ago; have uploaded a new driver but it will be available only after the beta freeze (i.e. after beta 1 is released). In other words, you'll get it soon.
[07:49] <ddecator> well there you do
[07:49] <ddecator> s/do/go
[07:49] <perscitus> so, i could do dist upgrade around beta3 and be fine
[07:49] <solid_liq> ddecator, you forgot the closing '/' ;)
[07:50] <perscitus> oops beta2
[07:50] <ddecator> solid_liq: you all know what i mean =p
[07:50] <solid_liq> :P
[07:50] <ddecator> hey kermiac
[07:51] <perscitus> Branding doesnt appear til RC though
[07:53] <kermiac> hey ddecator :) how're u going mate?
[07:54] <ddecator> kermiac: good, finally finished my finals this morning so i can get back to bug work and getting songbird to build =). how have you been?
[07:55] <kermiac> awesome :) I'm great - it's friday afternoon so no more work for 2 whole days, lol
[07:55] <ddecator> pffft, almost 3am here =p
[07:57]  * kermiac looks through the backscroll
[07:59] <fonseg> according to LucidReleaseSchedule, Licid Beta1 land on March 18. Why i still don't see it any where?
[07:59] <ddecator> fonseg: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[07:59] <ddecator> kermiac: mostly people asking about that =p
[07:59] <perscitus> ddecator,   beat me to it
[08:00] <perscitus> DOH
[08:00] <ddecator> perscitus: haha, i'm just ready for everyone to ask that =p
[08:00] <perscitus> Or just redirect people to the /topic
[08:00] <ddecator> i thought they weren't adding it to the topic...
[08:01] <ddecator> oh hey, look at that, haha
[08:02]  * ddecator -crosses fingers hoping that splite builds-
[08:02] <perscitus> ddecator,   just keep mailing list link handy if they ask why
[08:02] <ddecator> perscitus: i'm making sure not to copy anything else, haha
[08:03] <ddecator> although i'm getting some sleep after this build either fails or finishes
[08:03] <ddecator> and it failed...
[08:03] <perscitus> What build
[08:05] <ddecator> i'm trying to get songbird to build for lucid. it won't be in the repos, but if i can get it patched then we can possibly add it for 10.10. at the very least we want to update the ppa so it works with lucid
[08:05] <ddecator> i'm going to have to record the build log and sift through it...tomorrow though, i'm not staying up another half hour just for that, haha
[08:05] <ddecator> night all
[08:20] <Ian_Corne> !logs
[08:26] <hsunda3> Before I upgrade, is there medibuntu / partner repos for Lucid with the same packages available in karmic? Such as ubuntu-restricted-extras, sun java/acrobat reader/flash plugins etc?
[08:32] <rww> hsunda3: sun java is in partner in lucid, flashplugin-installer is in multiverse, I assume ubuntu-restricted-extras still is too.
[08:33] <rww> yes, it is
[08:33] <hsunda3> Good. Thanks :D
[08:33] <rww> as far as acrobat reader, I don't see it, though I don't know where it was in Karmic, so...
[08:33] <hsunda3> ugh
[08:33] <hsunda3> I knew it was too good to be true.
[08:33] <rww> hsunda3: it might still be there, I'm not omniescent :)
[08:34] <hsunda3> hmm
[08:35] <CosmiChaos> my 8600gts 16x on nforce 630i 16x pci express still is only at bus type 4x :((((( any idea? http://paste.ubuntu.com/397463/
[08:45] <Hew> Hi. Trying to access a particular file causes the process accessing it to freeze up. When trying to copy it, nautilus reports "Error splicing file: Input/output error". HDD usage seems to freeze 100% on it, and CPU time goes 100% IOWait. Any ideas how to debug this? I'm running ext4 and ecryptfs.
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> bRoas
[08:48] <rye> Hew, are there any messages in dmesg?
[08:50] <Hew> rye, yea looks like a whole heap (I always forget to check dmesg..), I'll try copying again to isolate them.
[08:54] <nhaines> Hew: sounds like a bad drive.  I'd check the SMART status.
[08:54] <Hew> rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/397686/
[08:55] <Hew> nhaines, the drive is a brand new 1.5TB Seagate. I don't expect it to be a drive issue.
[08:55] <rye> sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
[08:55] <rye> Hew, please, make a backup of the drive first
[08:55] <Hew> will do
[08:56] <Hew> I already have a few backups from fairly recently since this is a fresh install with alpha 3
[08:56] <rye> because something is definitely wrong at the low level, be it a drive or controller, but that's not ecryptfs issue, it does not touch the hardware parts directly for them to start emitting such errors
[08:57] <Hew> FYI this file is a partially downloaded one using bittorrent
[08:58] <nhaines> Hew: I do level 2 tech supprt for Western Digital.  :)
[08:59] <Hew> nhaines, I'll prepare for the criticism of choosing Seagate this time :P
[08:59] <nhaines> I won't suggest a WD Caviar Blue drive ;) but low-level errors are pretty clear-cut.  Could be the drive, or could be the controller.
[08:59] <Hew> new HDD and new mobo.. ok then.
[08:59] <litropy> Hi, all. I just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and got a textual interface after grub asking me to log in. I logged in with my account, Iand now I'm in a bash shell.
[09:00] <litropy> what happened between login and shell:
[09:00] <rww> litropy: which method did you use to upgrade?
[09:00] <litropy> 157 packages can be updated
[09:00] <rye> Hew, the bad thing about the controller is that you might read not the same data you have written - I have lost a whole year of photo data just because I was sure that whatever I write to the drive can be read the same way...
[09:01] <litropy> rww: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[09:01] <nhaines> Hew: well, it could be either one.  Try the drive in a known-good system.  If the problem follows the drive, you know the problem.  Try a different SATA cable, as well.  Different SATA port, different power connector from the MB.
[09:01] <litropy> I got 9 callbacks supppressed
[09:01] <sulle> Hi, i just installed lucid lynx through windows. And now when i start my computer up again i choose to start ubuntu. But then i get prompted with GRUB. I have tried to google it but cant find the right tutorial. Can annyone please help me out ?.
[09:01] <rww> litropy: and it's now telling you you have 157 updates? did you get any errors or interruptions during upgrade?
[09:02] <litropy> ACPI: EC: missing confirmations, switch off interrupt mode
[09:02] <litropy> just with grub and an unused partition
[09:02] <Hew> thanks for the help rye and nhaines, I've gtg now but will be back later to test :)
[09:02] <litropy> rww: just with grub and an unused partition
[09:02] <nhaines> Hew: best of luck.  :)
[09:04] <litropy> ACPCI Exception: AE_TIME, returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] 20090521 evregion-424
[09:04] <NoReflex> hello! I'm having a problem with starting lucid-lynx alpha3 (installer and livecd) on my Dell Inspiron 1520. After about 30-40 seconds I get a screen with colored vertical stripes (white, brown, orange). I can't do anything (Ctrl+Alt+Fx, Ctrl+Alt+Bksp)...My notebook has a nvidia GPU ... can it be caused by the nouveau driver?
[09:04] <litropy> there are 4 more ACPI errors. I can type them if you like
[09:04] <rye> NoReflex, try booting with splash disabled... Do you have second display connected?
[09:05] <NoReflex> rye, I don't have a second display and I tried booting with splash disabled....it showed some boot messages and afterwards I heared the startup sound and the stripes appeared
[09:05] <litropy> rww: Note: after the reboot dialogue, Update-Manager ran another check for updates. I didn't install them.
[09:06] <litropy> rww: the initial upgrade had completed.
[09:06] <czr_> any ideas when the beta1 will hit the interwebs?
[09:06] <czr_> (yes, I saw the topic)
[09:06] <rww> czr_: sometime on the 19th
[09:07] <rye> dell inspiron 1520... hm, could you please try the daily image, not alpha3 ?
[09:07] <rye> NoReflex, ^
[09:07] <rww> litropy: weird. I'd probably apply the pending upgrades and reboot, see if that helps
[09:07] <czr_> rww, which timezone?
[09:07] <NoReflex> rye, where can I get the daily image>?
[09:07] <rww> czr_: one of them.
[09:07] <rww> czr_: it's not a hard and fast deadline :)
[09:07] <czr_> rww :-).
[09:08] <rye> NoReflex, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/
[09:08] <czr_> ah, ok then.
[09:08] <litropy> rww: what's the command again? sudo apt-get update requires internet and I've got WPA enc.
[09:08] <czr_> so it might be pushed forward again?
[09:08] <rww> litropy: "sudo apt-get upgrade" might work, if it already downloaded the packages during install
[09:08] <rye> !daily
[09:08] <rye> wow
[09:08] <rww> czr_: unlikely, but yes, it could be
[09:08] <czr_> right. I'll wait until tomorrow then.
[09:08] <NoReflex> rye, downloading now, thank you
[09:08] <czr_> rww, thanks
[09:09] <rww> litropy: sorry, during the upgrade to 10.04 **
[09:09] <litropy> how do I iwconfig a WPA key again? I know for WEP it's just key <key>
[09:09] <rye> NoReflex, I had such issue with libdrm/kernel mismatch but now I can boot with nouveau and plymouth, well, if the secondary monitor is disconnected
[09:10]  * BUGabundo_remote will kick the arse of the next person who changes sources and distupgrades.... RTFM
[09:10] <litropy> rww: they didn't.  Cold reboot.
[09:37] <litropy> My router's network is now open (unencrypted) and the router has been reset. Yet I still can't connect to the router wirelessly (timeout), and I do not have an eth interface configured.
[09:38] <espen77> litropy: is dhcp running on it?
[09:38] <litropy> After reboot, still no keyboard nor touchpad. My trackball does get USB power (optical) but no response from the computer
[09:39] <litropy> espen77: dhclient functions, but all packets lost.
[09:39] <litropy> ap is unassociated
[09:40] <litropy> also, it seems I now have grub 1.98
[09:41] <espen77> litropy: ment, is router running dhcp server, but if all packets are lost it is probably not that
[09:42] <litropy> espen77: I'm fine on this computer, connected to the same router
[09:42] <espen77> litropy: mac filering?
[09:42] <espen77> *filtering
[09:43] <litropy> and I swear ubuntu senses my input attempts, because I see the crash reporter bang after I touch the touchpad. And I'm getting a system beep 15 secs after I let go.
[09:43] <toto__> hi all
[09:44] <litropy> espen77: nno MACs filtered.
[09:44] <litropy> no*
[09:46] <espen77> litropy: can you see your network in nm?
[09:47] <MarcoPau> hello guys I upgraded to lucid yesterday but KDE has the exact same look and the resolution seems all like stretched out. any hint?
[09:47] <litropy> what's the command to check? keep in mind if you're asking about something that loads outside of a bash shell, I can't check
[09:48] <espen77> litropy: sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[09:49] <litropy> espen77: iwlist wlan0 "No scan results"
[09:49] <espen77> litropy: did you sudo?
[09:49] <NoReflex> rye, I tried the current image but no luck...the screen still "freezes"
[09:50] <litropy> espen77: yes, the network is there after sudo. Yes, I sudo'ed iwconfig and dhclient's cocnfig
[09:50] <toto__> after upgrade to Lucid, i can't use proprietary driver normally : used but not actived, i try many ways (the activation hangs : Low Screen Resolutions ...) sorry for my bad english thanks)
[09:51] <espen77> what line u use for iwconfig?
[09:51] <sulle> Hi, i just installed lucid lynx through windows. And now when i start my computer up again i choose to start ubuntu. But then i get prompted with GRUB. I have tried to google it but cant find the right tutorial. Can annyone please help me out ?.
[09:52] <rye> toto__, nvidia proprietary driver?
[09:52] <litropy> iwconfig wlan0 essid mynetwork
[09:52] <toto__> yes
[09:52] <litropy> mynetwork is currently unencrypted
[09:52] <rye> toto__, do you have /usr on a separate partition?
[09:52] <litropy> for safe measure, ironically
[09:52] <NoReflex> rye, I posted a picture of the screen  taken with my phone here: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/210/dsc02751cg.jpg
[09:53] <espen77> litropy: you need more than that....
[09:53] <toto__> rye, / swap and /home i made an upgrade-manager (karmic to lucid)
[09:53] <NoReflex> isn't there an option like safe graphics in lynx anymore? or an option to use the old nv instead of nouveau?
[09:53] <litropy> espen77: like enc off? tried that as well
[09:54] <litropy> espen77: wlan0 is already in managed mode
[09:54] <toto__> rye, update-manager sorry ...
[09:54] <NoReflex> like a boot parameter nouveau=off?
[09:55] <sulle> annyone here have an idea to what i can do?
[09:56] <espen77> litropy: try appending channel auto ap any rate auto modu auto
[09:59] <litropy> espen77: setting modulation failed. Took that out of the command. Now: same result
[10:00] <espen77> litropy: and with commit at the end?
[10:00] <litropy> commit?
[10:01] <espen77> litropy: yes
[10:01] <espen77> sulle: it just say grub and nothing else?
[10:01] <litropy> I don't know what you mean, and I want to apologize about that.
[10:02] <espen77> litropy: append commit to the end of your iwconfig line, some cards need this
[10:03] <litropy> espen77: SET failed.
[10:05] <rye> toto__, could you please paste the output of mount command to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[10:06] <litropy> espen77: if it would be easier to config my NIC and connect directly to the modem for the update, I'd be willing to do that. But I don't know where to start
[10:08] <toto__> rye: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/397710/
[10:09] <rye> toto__, could you please run "mount" command in the terminal and paste the output of that command to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[10:10] <toto__> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397712/
[10:11] <toto__> since i can't boot on sda2 (vista) but it's not a problem finally :)
[10:11] <litropy> espen77: after each reboot, after iwconfig wlan0 [args] I get: [ 242.596144] ADDRCONF[NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready
[10:11] <NoReflex> rye, still here?
[10:12] <litropy> after [enter] I get my bash prompt back.
[10:12] <litropy> espen77: sudo*
[10:12] <espen77> litropy: sec let me check if my recovery card has a script...
[10:13] <litropy> espen77: and once again I did get ACPI errors upon the initial reboot after the upgrade
[10:14] <rye> NoReflex, d/l daily to see whether my nv is broken the same way
[10:14] <litropy> This is on an asus 1005-ha pux
[10:14] <koltroll> !daily koltroll
[10:15] <espen77> litropy: this works here "/etc/init.d/networking restart" "iwconfig wlan0 essid Yuna mode managed channel auto ap auto key [1] 11223344" "dhclient wlan0
[10:17] <espen77> litropy: all commands in sudo -i, havent tried just sudo
[10:17] <NoReflex> rye, I tried daily as well... the screen image changed a bit but it still freezes
[10:17] <NoReflex> rye, I posted a picture of the screen  taken with my phone here: http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/210/dsc02751cg.jpg
[10:18] <rye> NoReflex, yes, i have seen that, I am downloading the daily image to burn it and see whether it fails the same way on my hw
[10:18] <NoReflex> rye, ok  - got it
[10:19] <litropy> espen77: interfaces configured okay, no errors on iwconfig, all run sudo -i, still no response
[10:20] <rye> NoReflex, but frankly speaking, something is really broken w/ plymouth/nouveau right now
[10:20] <litropy> espen77: router is configured for auto dhcp, no mac filtering, no DHCP reservations
[10:20] <rye> but 1520 has a different hw from mine..
[10:21] <rye> NoReflex, so when you start w/o splash enabled, plymouth is not showing but the X startup is broken, right?
[10:22] <litropy> espen77: and router is visible. iwlist registers it.
[10:22] <espen77> litropy: hmm strange...i have to admit i rarely connect to wifi by commandline...
[10:24] <litropy> espen77: interesting: wlan0 has an entry in owconfig, and then there's wlan0:avahi, which is up, multicast, inet addr: 169.x.x.x bcast: 169.x.x.x mask: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:25] <litropy> iwconfig*
[10:25] <litropy> and wlan0 has an inet6 addre
[10:25] <litropy> I'm assuming that's ipv6
[10:26] <NoReflex> rye, what is plymouth?
[10:26] <espen77> litropy: 169 is auto config ip, it is not connected....try ifconfig wlan0 down && iwconfig wlan0 down
[10:26] <rye> NoReflex, graphical boot application, replaced usplash
[10:26] <NoReflex> rye, when I start without splash and quiet it show boot messages and then the freeze screen appears...I can't see any errors
[10:27] <NoReflex> but I do hear the startup sound...so it must be doing something
[10:27] <espen77> litropy: then try setting your wlan card and then iwconfig wlan0 up
[10:28] <rye> NoReflex, nouveau has replaced nv driver in Lucid Lynx, probably your hw is not properly initialized and therefore the system thinks that it displays everything properly, no hw lock-up is created, and gdm plays the login sound
[10:28] <litropy> espen77: it's down. there's no iwconfig down
[10:29] <litropy> oh wow
[10:29] <litropy> looks like I might be registering my NIC now
[10:29] <litropy> for some reason
[10:30] <litropy> wait pan0 is something else
[10:30] <litropy> bluetooth?
[10:30] <NoReflex> rye, any ideas what I could try?
[10:31] <rye> NoReflex, the downside of using VMs for testing only is that no DVD/CD-RWs at home :-/
[10:32] <litropy> yep that's bluetooth
[10:33] <litropy> I just enabled my eth0 NIC in the BIOS
[10:33] <litropy> about to try that
[10:33] <rye> NoReflex, nm, found :)
[10:35] <rye> wow, brasero runs w/ indicator applet
[10:36] <rye> cute!
[10:37] <litropy> there she goes
[10:37] <litropy> eth0 connected like a charm
[10:38] <litropy> did a apt-get update then apt get upgrade
[10:38] <rye> toto__, ok, could you please describe in more detail how the boot procedure goes?
[10:40] <NoReflex> rye, "nm"?
[10:40] <NoReflex> like in network-manager?
[10:40] <rye> NoReflex, nevermind (or network-manager, depending on the context:)
[10:40] <rye> ok, got it burned, now time to reboot
[10:41] <NoReflex> rye, ok, and thank you for helping me
[10:43] <toto__> rye, normally except Low Screen Resolutions if i install by hangs method, some errors (i forgot lines) at first but it's ok and i can run glxgears with system's drivers
[10:47]  * rye is now reconnecting from another location, main system is being booted with live
[10:50] <toto__> rye: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397741/
[10:51] <rye> toto__, [   14.017687] [drm] Initialized nouveau 0.0.15 20090420 for 0000:01:00.0 on minor 0
[10:51] <rye> toto__, yup, nouveau driver is there
[10:53] <toto__> rye: it's nvidia-current ? we must change xor.conf 'nvidia' driver ?
[10:54] <litropy> Okay all, I've fully upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04. Upon reboot, I still get a text login, then a bash prompt. Upon startx, GNOME does load, however my keyboard, and touchpad are unresponsive. They are enabled in the BOIS. On my Asus 1005HA, pressing the disable/enable touchpad button does no good. Crash Reporter can be seen in the bar on top.Ethernet works. My optical trackball lights when...
[10:54] <litropy> ...it's plugged in. And I get a periodic system beep  (unless that's my HD jolting)
[10:54] <litropy> Upon the initial reboot, I got ACPI errors.
[10:54] <litropy> (after the initial upgrade)
[10:56] <nbound> aww man beta delayed :(
[10:56] <rye> toto__, no, kernel modules are not blacklisted
[10:56] <nbound> it already is 19/3/10 here! :P
[10:56] <rye> toto__, well, they are blacklisted but for some reason blacklist does not work
[10:56] <nbound> 2hrs to 20/3/10
[10:56] <nbound> :(
[10:57] <nbound> does anyone know of anywhere with a torrent newer than the last alpha?
[10:57] <rye> nbound, !daily ?
[10:57] <rye> !daily nbound
[10:57] <nbound> !daily
[10:57] <NoReflex> rye, I laso thought of the possibility to blacklist nouveau...
[10:58] <rye> how does one point ubottu at someone?...
[10:58] <rye> NoReflex, well, in case n... hmmm
[10:58] <rye> hmmmm
[10:58] <nbound> theres no daily torrent there??
[10:58] <rye> i know how to break nouveau from startup
[10:58] <rye> nouveau.modeset=0
[10:58] <rye> this disables modesetting and nouveau does not work with modesetting disabled
[10:58] <rye> i.e. that would fall back to VESA driver
[10:58] <rye> NoReflex, ^
[10:59] <nbound> so does anyone know of a torrent newer than the last alpha?
[10:59] <toto__> rye: just this command ?
[10:59] <NoReflex> rye, since this is a live cd this would have to work as a boot parameter, right?
[11:00] <litropy> ::weepysniff::
[11:00] <rye> NoReflex, yup
[11:01] <rye> toto__, that would not prevent nouveau from loading to the kernel
[11:01] <nbound> !metalink
[11:01] <nbound> :\
[11:01] <litropy> I really don't know what to do
[11:03] <nbound> so how do these metalinks work?
[11:03] <nbound> :s
[11:03] <toto__> rye, thank you, i boot with this line :)
[11:04] <nbound> :\
[11:04] <nbound> :(
[11:04] <nbound> :'(
[11:05] <nbound> can someone plz tell me how to use these metalinks?
[11:05] <NoReflex> nbound, which metalinks?
[11:05] <nbound> for the daily torrent
[11:05] <nbound> and why we cant just have a torrent link? :S
[11:06] <toto__> bye
[11:07] <nbound> plz
[11:08] <litropy> okay, it looks like I'm the result of not seeing this first: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434
[11:08] <NoReflex> nbound, the torrents seem fine to me...for example: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:09] <litropy> "Due to the fact that uploads to the repositories of the active development branch are asynchronous and uncoordinated, dependencies of certain packages may arrive later than the dependent package."
[11:09] <litropy> crazysauce
[11:09] <nbound> for the daily, ive been told that there is a daily build torrent
[11:10] <nbound> which seems to be through this metalink
[11:10] <nbound> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ <--- see here
[11:11] <nbound> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100318/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:11] <nbound> thats where it links to, which is not found
[11:11] <nbound> ie. error 404
[11:12] <nbound> but i can only see the metalink as a text file anyway
[11:13] <nbound> so any ideas?
[11:13] <nbound> anyone?
[11:13] <litropy> I'm just going to reinstall 9.10, then carefully update tomorrow. to 10.04
[11:13] <litropy> nbound, it looks like a hash
[11:14] <litropy> hang on
[11:14] <nbound> id just download the iso straight but my connection has a habit of dying after a few hundred mb, and not restarting from where it leaves off
[11:15] <nbound> that, and torrents are faster
[11:15] <nbound> <10mins vs 1hr for an iso
[11:17] <nbound> surely i cant be the first to try and use this "metalink" :\
[11:18] <litropy> nbound: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.metalink
[11:18] <litropy> shows http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100318/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[11:18] <nbound> which is 404 not found
[11:18] <nbound> :S
[11:19] <litropy> ah
[11:19] <litropy> yeah
[11:19] <litropy> it's not there
[11:19] <litropy> someone needs to add the torrent file
[11:19] <litropy> if you go to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[11:19] <litropy> and click the latest
[11:20] <litropy> it brings you back to where you started: the index file of the directory, which just scans the current dir, formats it, then lists the dir contents
[11:20] <rye> nbound, wget -c http://url/ ?
[11:20] <litropy> so once again, it's not there
[11:21] <nbound> rye but its not there apparently?
[11:22] <rye> nbound, re - the file not being downloaded if that is disconnected
[11:23] <nbound> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[11:23] <nbound> 2010-03-19 22:23:11 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[11:24] <litropy> and yeah
[11:24] <litropy> here's the actual dir listing
[11:24] <litropy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/source/
[11:24] <litropy> where the file should be
[11:24] <litropy> but it's definitely not there
[11:25] <litropy> it's weid - not even the 17th's torrent is there
[11:25] <nbound> hmmm well thats pretty gay :\
[11:25] <litropy> weird*
[11:25] <nbound> yeah i tried that too :P
[11:25] <nbound> someone is slacking off!
[11:25] <nbound> lol
[11:26] <rye> nbound, I can send you the link to my host - 10Mbit upload rate
[11:26] <nbound> would be awesome
[11:26] <rye> stress-testing the vm server, he-he
[11:26] <litropy> yaaaawn okay time for sleep. Like I said, downgrading then carefully re-upgrading tomorrow. Cursed Partial Upgrades ...
[11:26] <nbound> lol
[11:26] <rye> nbound, w/ daily iso, right?
[11:26] <nbound> yes plz
[11:27] <litropy> hmmm
[11:27] <nbound> should be fast enough from there not to die
[11:27] <rye> nbound, i386?
[11:27] <nbound> amd64
[11:27] <litropy> nbound: is it better to go from 9.10 to the daily?
[11:28] <nbound> i always do a clean install, but each to their own
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> actually if you update/upgraded - it would bne the same as the daily i think
[11:28] <rye> nbound, ok, d/l ing amd64 - 10 minutes pls
[11:28] <nbound> thank you very much rye :)
[11:28] <nbound> Dr_Willis, it would
[11:30] <litropy> i see Dr_Willis. btw, you wouldn't be able to save my partial then full upgrade would you? I got a login screen then a bash shell upon bootup, startx loads gnome but I have no keyboard or mouse even though they're bios enabled, might be because of acpi errors?
[11:31] <nbound> not even caps/num lights?
[11:32] <litropy> nbound: let me check
[11:33] <TheGrammarFreak_> Yo, I have just been trying out compiz with KDE4.4, (is this the wrong place for this), and it doesnt't work. The KDE window decorator just crashes
[11:34] <litropy> nbound: not even caps light. no num lock light here.
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> ive had some issues with X not starting properly  also  on my netbook.
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> but my stuff works.
[11:35] <litropy> Dr_Willis: any ideas?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> TheGrammarFreak_:  from what ive used of kde4.4 - i dont see much need to use compiz with it. It has all sorts of effects on its own
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> litropy:  Not really
[11:35] <nbound> its been a while since ive had one doing that on starting X, but id suspect its actually frozen for some reason, if not, then the num and caps light should still work, handled by the bios IIRC
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed X crashing here when i go to the console via alt-ctrl-F# also
[11:36] <datag> who knows which Qt version will be final in lucid? 4.6.2 or the not yet released 4.6.3? i'm asking because there is a serious problem with a package using 4.6.2...
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> check the release schedule and see when the freezed take affect.
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> !release
[11:37] <litropy> Dr_Willis: nbound the thing is, everything else works. And while I can't move my mouse, I get an animated popup that wireless networks are available. And the popup fades in and out without stuttering. I do have a crash bang in my menubar. but I can't see what it says
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> litropy:  ssh in and check logs perhaps.
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> litropy:  mouse does work on the GDM login?
[11:38] <TheGrammarFreak_> Dr_Willis, Yeah, but some users, myself included, prefer compiz. More contol, more effects and I prefer the way of engaging effects, like the cube stuff. I haven't been able to recreate that with kwin
[11:39] <nbound> !litropy, no idea here then
[11:39] <nbound> oops
[11:39] <nbound> lol
[11:39] <nbound> hehe
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I got a CUBE effect in KDE here.
[11:39] <litropy> Dr_Willis: no GDM. I log in textually.
[11:40] <litropy> ally. gnome doesn't auto-start as well
[11:40] <litropy> ugh
[11:40] <litropy> I'm too tired
[11:40] <TheGrammarFreak_> So do I, but it's ctrl+f11 to engage it
[11:40] <datag> can i somewhere see which Qt version is planned for final lucid? currently it's 4.6.2.. I doubt 4.6.3 will make it into it?
[11:41] <TheGrammarFreak_> I prefer ctrl+alt+click
[11:41] <litropy> night guys thx for help
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> datag:  it depends.. if theres big enough issues it could still be added
[11:41] <Dr_Willis> datag:  from what i read at --->   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[11:42] <TheGrammarFreak_> Also, is the first beta out yet?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> Topic says its due today
[11:42] <datag> datag: well, at least one package in tree is completely useless with Qt 4.6.2.. i'm going to report the bug later
[11:42] <TheGrammarFreak_> Yesterday where I am
[11:42] <datag> argh... Dr_Willis
[11:42] <nbound> TheGrammarFreak_, pushed back till the 19/3
[11:43] <TheGrammarFreak_> Ah, ok
[11:43] <nbound> even tho its almost 20/3 here :P
[11:43] <TheGrammarFreak_> Lol
[11:43] <datag> Dr_Willis: where do you see the info about Qt version in the release schedule page?
[11:43] <datag> Dr_Willis: or did you mean generally
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> datag:  read about how  freezes work
[11:43] <TheGrammarFreak_> Will there be anything to allow compiz in Kubuntu?
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> TheGrammarFreak_:  more and more i see gnome and kde fighting each other. :) having both on the same system seems to cause more and more problems lately for me
[11:44] <datag> Dr_Willis: alright, thanks
[11:45] <TheGrammarFreak_> I don't want both, I want compiz on KDE
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Good Luck  :)
[11:45] <TheGrammarFreak_> I just can't get the window decoration
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> window decoration is handled by one of the 3 decorators you can choose from
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> I thinkits kde-decorator, gtk-decorator and emerald
[11:46] <TheGrammarFreak_> Ye, I want it to be handled by the KDE one, but it crashed with compiz
[11:47] <TheGrammarFreak_> Which, if you ask me, is a bug that should be fixed
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> shouldent most bugs be fixed. :)
[11:48] <nbound> lol
[11:48] <TheGrammarFreak_> Yeah, but they're not
[11:52] <TheGrammarFreak_> How do I go about filing a bug report?
[11:56] <sobersab1e> hi.
[11:57] <sobersab1e> how do I change boot default entry with this grub2 ?
[11:58] <sobersab1e> do I need to run anything after editing /etc/default/grub ?
[11:59] <JoshuaL> sobersab1e, not sure but i believe update-grub2
[12:09] <MarcoPau> hello guys, I upgraded to lucid yesterday but KDE has the exact same look as before and the resolution seems all like stretched out. any hint?
[12:11] <TheGrammarFreak_> drivers?
[12:13] <MarcoPau> TheGrammarFreak_: radeon
[12:14] <TheGrammarFreak_> Are they installed?
[12:14] <TheGrammarFreak_> This is a usual culprit
[12:14] <MarcoPau> was just checking xorg log, there seems to be somthing wrong
[12:14] <TheGrammarFreak_> Fix it then
[12:15] <TheGrammarFreak_> Lol
[12:15] <MarcoPau> heh, guess somthing slipped out from the upgrade :)
[12:16] <TheGrammarFreak_> Ye
[12:19] <MarcoPau> TheGrammarFreak_: well they're installed but xorg loads vesa...
[12:20] <apavlov> Folks, I had my "Switch Off" gnome applet button disabled (slightly grayed out) after a recent update. I removed it and wanted to re-add, but there is no "Switch Off" applet in the list. Any clues?
[12:36] <MarcoPau> althou I only have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed, xorg runs vesa drivers. what am I supposed to do?
[12:41] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello, is Lucid already stable enough to be used for daily tasks such as music, mail, movies, browsing?
[12:43] <jussi01> [BG]ZloboMiR: its not proiduction ready, and if you can cope with possible loss of data and or operation, then I would say yes, but if you have important stuff, then absolutely not.
[12:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> well, I am a home user, I just mean is there smo who is using it already and is happy :)
[12:44] <swoody> [BG]ZloboMiR: I am, and I am :)
[12:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 9.10 with KDE4 broke Amarok, so...
[12:44] <swoody> of course, I have a backup of all my data that I don't want to lose just in case ;)
[12:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I am thinking, how worse it could become :)
[12:45] <swoody> [BG]ZloboMiR: but I am using gnome, so I can't say anything as to KDE's stability
[12:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> well, it does not mess with the fs I guess
[12:45] <jussi01> [BG]ZloboMiR: as I said, there are still breakages and there maybe some days that you just cant use it, or if something bad goes on then maybe a reinstall, so I wouldnt use it for any important data. however, i do use it at home myself, and its been ok
[12:45] <swoody> but I've had problems w/ KDE on 'stable' releases :/
[12:46] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Um, so better wait
[12:46] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I can't archive my data, no place
[12:46] <jussi01> [BG]ZloboMiR: I strongly suggest you wait then
[12:47] <[BG]ZloboMiR> oh well ;)
[12:47] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Meanwhile, any KDE player with media library?
[12:47] <swoody> [BG]ZloboMiR: do you have under 2GB of data to backup? Might try out UbuntuOne :)
[12:47] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Except Amarok?
[12:47] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 1TB
[12:47] <swoody> well, that is a bit more ;) lol
[12:47] <[BG]ZloboMiR> music and movies
[12:48] <swoody> you could always take the time, and email them to yourself as attachments ;)
[12:48] <swoody> I'm sure that wouldn't take too long
[12:48] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Funny :)
[12:48] <[BG]ZloboMiR> for music ok
[12:48] <[BG]ZloboMiR> But movies will need splitting
[12:49] <jo-erlend> I'm preparing to start making screencasts. If I run a normal live session and then run the installer in fullscreen, will it look exactly like I had chosen the "Install Ubuntu" boot menu option?
[12:50] <lenios> what do you mean run a normal live session?
[12:50] <swoody> jo-erlend: I think it would, but have you considered running the 'install' in a VM on your current machine?
[12:50] <jo-erlend> lenios, ... "try Ubuntu without installing" or whatever the boot menu option is called.
[12:50] <jussi01> !info bangarang | [BG]ZloboMiR
[12:50] <swoody> jo-erlend: set it to full-screen, and it should look the same as if you booted the live-cd
[12:50] <lenios> oh, and then use the installer
[12:51] <jussi01> [BG]ZloboMiR: more info here: http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/
[12:51] <jo-erlend> swoody, great. Thanks.
[12:51] <swoody> jo-erlend: :)
[12:52] <jo-erlend> swoody, I have considered running it in a vm, but I think the results will be better if I screencast a "real" install.
[12:52] <popey> jo-erlend: i usually screencast a vm for http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/
[12:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> jussi01, thanks
[12:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> jussi01, I already have one machine on xfce, it is cute
[12:56] <jo-erlend> popey, using vbox?
[12:57] <popey> yes
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:59] <swoody> heya BluesKaj :)
[13:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Bangarang is unable to access the Nepomuk Semantic Desktop repository. Media library, rating and play count functions will be unavailable.
[13:00] <BluesKaj> hi swoody
[13:00] <swoody> BluesKaj: how's things going?
[13:00] <jo-erlend> what I think would have been cool, is if we could get an artist to create some nice vignettes using svg or something, so that it's editable for localization, then we could make a common set of screencasts in different languages.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> fine swoody , and you ?
[13:01] <jo-erlend> popey, you wouldn't happen to know anyone who could make that happen, would you? :)
[13:01] <swoody> BluesKaj: oh I can't complain, thank you :)
[13:03] <popey> jo-erlend: sorry, no
[13:04] <jo-erlend> popey, that would be cool... Perhaps a mail to a list could inspire someone.
[13:04] <popey> feel free :)
[13:05] <jo-erlend> :)
[13:07] <swoody> popey: have you had any complaints about the videos not playing right on screencasts.ubuntu.com?
[13:07] <popey> not yet
[13:07] <popey> comments welcome :)
[13:08] <swoody> popey: well now you have ;)
[13:08] <popey> more detail needed
[13:08] <swoody> popey: I'll have to try the others, but I only get the first 2-3 seconds to play, then it won't play no matter how much I let it buffer
[13:08] <swoody> running FF 3.6 w/ adobe plugin
[13:09] <swoody> just checked other flash sites - youtube, slacker.com - and they work fine
[13:09] <popey> are you watching flash or html5 viewer?
[13:10] <popey> screenshot would be nice
[13:11] <swoody> hmm.. may just be tricky... I finally got the ISO video to play, but still not the newest one
[13:12] <jo-erlend> popey, the screencasts aren't running well on screencasts.ubuntu.com...
[13:12] <popey> ok, lets take one example..
[13:12] <popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/2010/01/10/Ubuntu_Release_Schedule
[13:12] <jo-erlend> popey, in the presentation of the timeline for releases, it stopped at 1:23 and I couldn't get it to start over or resume.
[13:13] <popey> jo-erlend: html5 or flash?
[13:13] <jo-erlend> :)
[13:13] <jo-erlend> html5.
[13:14]  * popey edits some stuff
[13:14] <jo-erlend> popey, may I take that screencast and translate it to Norwegian?
[13:14] <popey> yup
[13:14] <popey> its all creative commons
[13:14] <popey> do what you like
[13:14] <popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/license
[13:14] <jo-erlend> grand.
[13:15] <popey> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/2010/01/10/Ubuntu_Release_Schedule  pls refresh that and see if it's better?
[13:15] <jo-erlend> popey, sorry... 1:28 is where it stops, and it seems to be consistent.
[13:15] <swoody> popey: http://imagebin.org/89526
[13:15]  * jo-erlend refreshes.
[13:15] <popey> its serving up a different ogv now
[13:15] <swoody> popey: http://imagebin.org/89527
[13:16] <popey> swoody: can you also try refreshing?
[13:16] <pace_t_zulu> hey y'all
[13:16] <pace_t_zulu> any word on beta 1?
[13:16] <soee_> if i may, no problems here on kubuntu 10.04 a3 :)
[13:16] <pace_t_zulu> i am unable to find it
[13:17] <popey> thanks soee_
[13:17] <swoody> popey: clearing cache as well now, refresh didn't help :/
[13:17] <popey> hmm
[13:17] <xfact> Do anybody has seen the actual plymouth boot animation or nobody yet (like me)?
[13:18] <swoody> xfact: I see it on shutdown, not on bootup
[13:18] <xfact> shwoody, You are lucky, I have not seen it anywhere
[13:18] <swoody> popey: still same for me :/
[13:19] <xfact> What is the real problem of plymouth?
[13:19] <xfact> xplash was much batter
[13:19] <BluesKaj> xfact, what is plymouth boot animation supposed to look like ? :)
[13:19] <Jaymac> pace_t_zulu, it has been delayed until later on today
[13:19] <popey> swoody / jo-erlend can you view it on blip.tv in flash and see if it fails there too?
[13:19] <swoody> popey: gives me busy/loading icon when I first try to play, and then just nothing after I pause and try to play again
[13:19] <pace_t_zulu> Jaymac: anywhere i can get info as to the reason for the delay?
[13:19] <popey> http://blip.tv/play/ge9BgbzUNgA
[13:20] <swoody> popey: works there :)
[13:21] <popey> well http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/2010/01/10/Ubuntu_Release_Schedule works fine for me here at work behind a nasty proxy
[13:21] <nigelb> popey: the audio is a bit too fast
[13:21] <popey> nigelb: define too fast?
[13:21] <nigelb> popey: i.e. runs ahead of corresponding video
[13:21] <nigelb> nothing technically wrong
[13:22] <Daviey> seems ok for me
[13:22] <nigelb> popey: for example, when you talk about the codename, video is still showing the date and year release part
[13:23] <jo-erlend> popey, the audio seems to skip past parts of the video.
[13:23] <Jaymac> pace_t_zulu, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[13:28] <jo-erlend> popey, do you know if that video will be easily edited to change the text?
[13:28] <popey> jo-erlend: i didnt make the video
[13:29] <popey> jo-erlend: it's my voice with a video that mads made
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bbl..
[13:29] <tuga3d> hi all
[13:30] <tuga3d> what are the main problems with lucid? is it more or less stable?
[13:30] <tuga3d> i wanted to install it.
[13:31] <arand_> Jaymac: You got any idea what made them puch it back, Plymouth issues?
[13:33] <freefall_> Is the beta out yet?
[13:33] <pace_t_zulu> Jaymac: ty
[13:33] <popey> freefall_: no
[13:33] <arand_> tuga3d: Reasonably, I wouldn't _rely_ on it for a system used for more than testing though. Might want to wait for the beta though, since it was delayed to iron out some last minute issues, which presumably was serious enough to warrant a delay.
[13:34] <freefall_> popey: Do you know when?
[13:34] <popey> should be today, but you never know, wait till the announcement
[13:34] <freefall_> OK
[13:34] <tuga3d> arand_, thanks for the info
[13:34] <nasso__> does anyone have an eta for beta 1?
[13:35] <popey> 13:34:29 < popey> should be today, but you never know, wait till the announcement
[13:35] <Jaymac> arand, not sure
[13:35] <arand_> What I'm curious is what those issues really where, since I've not heard anything more apart fromm that it was delayed
[13:35] <Jaymac> nasso__, probably some time today
[13:37] <arand_> nasso__: Ubuntu releases never have an eta, it's "sometime today, in some arbitrary timezone" ;)
[13:37] <jo-erlend> is beta1 out yet?
[13:37] <tuga3d> this reminds me o shrek :)
[13:38] <Pici> The topic will be updated when its out.
[13:38] <tgpraveen12> jo-erlend: no
[13:38] <tgpraveen12> ^^
[13:38] <jo-erlend> Pici, ah. Great. Thanks.
[13:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Guest
[13:41] <jazzdog> hi. will this release be lts?
[13:41] <jo-erlend> yes.
[13:41] <jazzdog> thx
[13:41] <jo-erlend> jazzdog, releases in april of even-numbered years are LTS-releases. That's every fourth release.
[13:42] <jazzdog> i see it will be released on apr29
[13:42] <jazzdog> i'm waiting to upgrade my 8.04lts :)
[13:42] <jo-erlend> :)
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> jo-erlend: actually there are NO hard rule for LTS
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> jazzdog: better start testing NOW while u can
[13:43] <jo-erlend> BUGabundo_remote, really? When did that change?
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> waiting for release, and it will be too late to fix anything
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> jo-erlend: never changed
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> there was never a set date for LTS
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> each time Mark and release team decide if it is gonna be or not a LTS
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> the most recent blog post from Mark, says that 2 years is a good window
[13:44] <jo-erlend> ...
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> better then 1,5 or 2,5 and not as old as 3y
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> *but* there was, and AFAIK isn't yet, any enforcement rule
[13:46] <NoReflex> rye: your suggestion with noveau (nouveau.modeset=0) worked like a charm; thanks a lot - I'm writing this messages from Lynx:)
[13:46] <rye> NoReflex, well, this is a hack
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> cool NoReflex
[13:47] <rye> just tried to boot latest iso - does not want to boot with 2 displays attached, but no display corruption
[13:48] <rye> well, it wants but it can't switch to X
[13:48] <NoReflex> rye: I plan to use NVIDIA's proprietary driver... but I guess I need to leave nouveau.modeset=o in the kernel boot line, right?
[13:49] <rye> NoReflex, if nvidia proprietary drivers are installed, then there will be some set of rules that will prevent kernel from loading nouveau driver
[13:50] <NoReflex> will try with and without the nouveau "hack"... but first I got to figure out how to install nvidia's driver. aptitude show nvidia-glx says it's not a real package. should I go with the binary from nvidia's website?
[13:51] <yofel> NoReflex: install it from jockey
[13:51] <yofel> NoReflex: and DO NOT USE the nvidia site binary
[13:52] <Milos_SD> yofel, why not use nvidia site binary?
[13:52] <yofel> NoReflex: also the new package name is nvidia-current, but just installing the package will neither activate it nor disable nouveau. Jockey takes care of that
[13:52] <arand_> I find that plymouth drops to textmode whe running nvidia, whereas it works fine with noveau, odd..
[13:52] <yofel> Milos_SD: because it messes with the ubuntu configuration, is hard to remove and IIRC doesn't work with the alernatives system that the nvidia packages use in lucid
[13:53] <Milos_SD> I installed that site binary, and works ok ... I need to use that becouse of my custom kernel
[13:53] <rye> arand_, nvidia proprietary drivers do not support kernel modesetting for plymouth to work, you need to manually enable correct resolution via grub for that to work
[13:54] <rye> still , that would not be a seamless transition from plymouth to X - nvidia will try to reset resolution,,, well to the same one
[13:54] <Milos_SD> rye, but when you do that, you don't have TTY's anymore :(
[13:54] <Milos_SD> I tried that, and ended without tty's
[13:55] <NoReflex> yofel: thx - installing now
[13:55] <rye> Milos_SD, hm, not happened to me - missing framebuffer device modules?
[13:55] <Milos_SD> rye, I don't know... what modules?
[13:56] <rye> well, i am now using nouveau but missing support for separate screens for 2 separate displays makes hard for me to use my dualscreen setup, i don't need one big display, I need 2 display with 3 workspaces each
[13:56] <rye> Milos_SD, something like this happened in jaunty.. or intrepid.. not promising that I would be able to find this bug report though :)
[13:57] <Milos_SD> rye, I did this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html#disqus_thread
[13:57] <arand_> What makes me the saddest puppy is that the x-crack 3D support nouveau doesn't work for me..
[13:57] <Milos_SD> but insted of puting 1024x768, I put: 1280x1024x32
[13:57] <rye> but I want to make sure that lucid release will start up on my machine with both display connected, after that I will return to nvidia-proprietary drivers
[13:59] <rye> Milos_SD, hm, I used 1280x800@32 don't know whether @/- makes a difference
[13:59] <Milos_SD> rye, and you have TTY's?
[14:00] <rye> Milos_SD, I had, definitely
[14:00] <jazzdog> i want to stick with nvidia proprietary drivers when i will change to lucid. i am an advanced user. can i read somewhere about what issues to look out for?
[14:00] <Milos_SD> rye, I'll try "@" :)
[14:00] <pace_t_zulu> i've found a bug in the lucid installer
[14:02] <arand_> pace_t_zulu: See if it's reported, otherwise "ubuntu-bug ubiquity"
[14:03] <rye> Milos_SD, vesafb and fbcon, i believe
[14:04] <rye> Milos_SD, do you have them loaded?
[14:04] <pace_t_zulu> arand_: it's not the ubiquity bug
[14:05] <rye> Milos_SD, bug #129910
[14:05] <rye> hardy :)
[14:05] <pace_t_zulu> arand_: html markup is showing up where it shouldn't
[14:06] <rye> Milos_SD, I remember upgrading my machine, getting to X very fast and then I found out that all ttys are empty. That was a little bit scary.
[14:07] <pace_t_zulu> arand_: http://i44.tinypic.com/29ok1mp.png
[14:07] <arand_> pace_t_zulu: Well, or whatever project is more appropriate, if you don't know, reporting on ubiquity might be a good start stil..
[14:08] <pace_t_zulu> arand_: i have an annotated screenshot
[14:08] <pace_t_zulu> arand_: http://i44.tinypic.com/29ok1mp.png
[14:11] <Milos_SD> rye, I don't have that modules at all :(
[14:11] <rye> Milos_SD, since vesafb works you'll just need fbcon to the initrd list and you are good
[14:12] <Milos_SD> rye, I will need to recompile my kernel today because of some NFS issue I have after upgrade, and I'll see to enable vesafb and fbcon :)
[14:21] <KB1JWQ> Good morning folks.
[14:22] <yofel> hey KB1JWQ
[14:26] <thefish> im getting a grub installation error during installation with lvm, seems similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid/+bug/485604 - anyone have any workarounds?
[14:27] <thefish> ^ i tried running parted /dev/sda set 2 bios_grub on and got an invalid flag error (from installer shell)
[14:31] <amikrop> Hello, I get access denied here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[14:31] <amikrop> Is that normal?
[14:31] <syk> seeing it isnt released yet
[14:31] <syk> yes
[14:31] <TheGrammarFreak_> When is it released?
[14:31] <syk> maybe later today
[14:31] <TheGrammarFreak_> What's the hold up?
[14:32] <syk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/000695.html
[14:33] <TheGrammarFreak_> Ah
[14:38] <KB1JWQ> If I'm asking in the wrong place, please slap me down, but why does the new Ubuntu default to Empathy as an IM client?  Historically I've used pidgin, not sure which to go with at this point.
[14:39] <om26er> should I inform the ops if I get an advertisory message?
[14:39] <TheGrammarFreak_> Isn't it becasue GNOME defaulted to that?
[14:39] <Drakeson> I occasionally get a border around the nautilus that draws the desktop. is that to be expected?
[14:40] <holstein> Drakeson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/507263
[14:41] <KB1JWQ> om26er: Do tell.
[14:42] <marenostrum> KB1JWQ: Why "not sure which to go"? Use what you prefer. Info here maybe useful: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability
[14:43] <KB1JWQ> marenostrum: Thanks.  That's exactly what I was attempting to articulate.  Need coffee. :-/
[14:43] <om26er> KB1JWQ, done and he got kicked great
[14:44] <KB1JWQ> om26er: Who's the nick?
[14:44] <Drakeson> holstein: thanks
[14:44] <KB1JWQ> om26er: I can arrange for a bit more than a kick, is why I ask. :-)
[14:44] <om26er> KB1JWQ, Ce_Jkt_Mau in #ubuntu
[14:44] <MarcoPau> althou I only have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed, xorg runs vesa drivers. what am I supposed to do?
[14:46] <KB1JWQ> And gone.
[14:47] <FunnyLookinHat> Beta 1 running a bit late ?
[14:47] <om26er> here when the time is 00:00 most releases come that time
[14:48] <om26er> so 4hours
[14:48] <swoody> FunnyLookinHat: nope, it was already released, we just didn't want to tell you ;)
[14:48] <FunnyLookinHat> swoody: haha
[14:48] <TheGrammarFreak_> Lol
[14:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Well I thought the 18th was release, not 19th... that's why I was confused...  :)
[14:48] <swoody> more bandwidth for us :D
[14:48] <Pici> FunnyLookinHat: See /topic
[14:48] <FunnyLookinHat> HAH
[14:48] <swoody> see /topic
[14:48] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh lol
[14:49] <KB1JWQ> Should I expect a bunch of updates in apt-get once the beta releases?
[14:49] <swoody> d'oh, Pici and your fast keyboard :P
[14:49] <FunnyLookinHat> My IRC client cut it off at "Alpha 3 released:"
[14:49] <TheGrammarFreak_> Same
[14:49] <swoody> "Alpha  3 released: www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha3 | Beta 1 Delayed until 2010-03-19
[14:49] <Pici> Hows that?
[14:50] <jpds> Pici: Should say: "Beta 1 delayed until today".
[14:50] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Ooh, and what color should we paint the bike shed? :-D
[14:50] <Pici> KB1JWQ: :P
[14:51] <robin0800> KB1JWQ: purple
[14:52] <KB1JWQ> robin0800: Which answers my empathy vs pidgin question nicely.  Thanks!
[14:52] <swoody> robin0800: purple is for the Canoe rack, RED is for the bike shed... *sigh*
[14:56] <Stargaze> hi, I just installed Lucid in Virtual Box and the first (slight) inconvenience is: numerical pad cannot be used
[14:59] <trism> Stargaze: check out http://ubuntu-ky.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=803455 a couple posts down (something about ctrl shift numlock and mouse keys)
[15:00] <trism> Stargaze: though it is a really old post, so perhaps not related to lucid
[15:01] <freefall_> How much time until Beta 1 release ?
[15:01] <janjokela> Hi, does anyone know of a way to boot without plymouth only by passing parameters in the grub selection?
[15:02] <xzcvczx> freefall_: |<------------------->| that long
[15:02] <freefall_> still?
[15:03] <zniavre> :o)
[15:03] <xzcvczx> freefall_: yes
[15:03] <swoody> freefall_: every time you ask an hour is added >:|
[15:03] <swoody> ... and a fairy looses its wings :(
[15:03] <swoody> loses*
[15:04] <freefall_> Shit
[15:04] <swoody> swearing adds two hrs :/
[15:04] <timc> lol
[15:04] <freefall_> I am so sorry
[15:04] <swoody> now we all have to wait 3 more hours... thanks a bunch
[15:04] <xzcvczx> apologising adds 24 hours
[15:05] <freefall_> Now what?
[15:05] <timc> hmm.. appears to be available from softpedia
[15:05] <timc> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-Lucid-Lynx-53009.shtml
[15:06] <freefall_> timc: You cant trust softpedia!
[15:06] <TheGrammarFreak_> Lol
[15:06] <timc> thought it was a bit weird
[15:06] <swoody> probably alpha, the 'screenshots' aren't beta for sure
[15:07] <MarcoPau> I have both xserver-xorg-video-ati and radeon installed but Xorg.0.log says no ati module found, thou /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so is there
[15:07] <TheGrammarFreak_> Will the beta be much more stable than the alpha?
[15:07] <Pici> If you've been running the beta and keeping up with updates, then you're already running the beta.
[15:09] <notlistening> Hi I am running Lucid and do not seem to be getting any update and the system is creaking along is this what everyone else it experiencing?
[15:11] <TheGrammarFreak_> When will jre show up on lucid?
[15:11] <TheGrammarFreak_> Or has it, and I'm just missing something?
[15:13] <espen77> TheGrammarFreak_: jre as in java runtime?
[15:13] <TheGrammarFreak_> Ye
[15:13] <TheGrammarFreak_> I didn't find it
[15:14] <duffydack> openjre is there.. works.
[15:14] <TheGrammarFreak_> And it wasn't installed with kubuntu-restricted-extras. Unless that's old now
[15:14] <TheGrammarFreak_> I need the one by sun
[15:14] <duffydack> its also installed part of ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:14] <syk> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[15:14] <duffydack> sun-java is there... i just checked
[15:15] <TheGrammarFreak_> Does kubuntu-restriced-extras differ in any way to ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[15:15] <duffydack> I think its in the partner repo
[15:15] <espen77> TheGrammarFreak_: default might be set to openjava if u have both
[15:16] <TheGrammarFreak_> Eh?
[15:16] <syk> when will the topic be updated?
[15:17] <Stargaze> what's the package name for control center again?
[15:17] <Pici> syk: When I see an announcement from the release manager.
[15:17] <syk> i see
[15:17] <espen77> TheGrammarFreak_: sudo update-java-alternatives -l
[15:18] <Okidesu> is there any snd-aloop package for Lucid ?
[15:19] <Okidesu> ?
[15:23] <espen77> now working: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[15:24] <xzcvczx> espen77: thanks
[15:25] <notlistening> anyone good with make files here?
[15:25] <duffydack> not authorized with this tracker?  (beta1 torrent)
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> humm
[15:27] <freefall_> Does this mean that beta 1 is out?
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> where are our OPs?
[15:27] <NoReflex> should I install mplayer from the Lynx repo or from launchpad? lynx repo says version 1.0~rc3+svn20090426-1ubuntu15 , https://launchpad.net/~rvm/+archive/mplayer says 1.0~rc3+svn20090904-0karmic5. I want to use mplayer with vdpau...
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: ping
[15:27] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: yes?
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> topic
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> beta1 is out
[15:27] <BUGabundo_remote> although not all mirrors are still in sync
[15:28]  * BUGabundo_remote waits for email, for it to be official
[15:28] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: I see no announcement.
[15:28] <rww> "It's out when slangasek says it's out" is the new "It's not out" ;P
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> rww: :p
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: me neither
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> but the page is there
[15:29] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: That doesn't mean that the images are final.
[15:29] <xzcvczx> and the iso link works
[15:30] <Pici> The last I saw was that there was still testing being done.
[15:30] <timc> torrent.ubuntu.com has it
[15:30] <timc> that count?
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> timc: naaaa
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> only an email from slangasek
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> before that, we are on Fight Club rules
[15:30] <Pici> Until I see an email to ubuntu-devel-announce or a message from him elsewhere, its not out.
[15:31]  * BUGabundo_remote hits refresh a few more times... slow mail
[15:31] <freefall_> HA, there was not any delay because i asked!
[15:31] <nasso__> ooh. beta1 released. sweet :) installfest tonight!
[15:31]  * BUGabundo_remote doh
[15:31] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: It'll show up here before it gets to your mailbox; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-March/date.html
[15:31] <espen77> BUGabundo_remote: The first rule about fightclub...
[15:31] <BUGabundo_remote> do ppl *really* go crazy for a milestone?