[16:35] <arthyre> talles: in the channel so you can get others input :)  i now think http would be better for you to start on .. more for the future then the past
[16:36] <mlvmhn> hello, how do i updtae my qbittorrent program using Terminal?
[16:36] <mlvmhn> update
[16:37] <SchrodingersScat> ben_g: that reasoning makes sense, or if you're partial to one over the other.
[16:38] <ben_g> I actually have never used any version other than normal Ubuntu, but I guess they're quite similar in useage?
[16:40] <SchrodingersScat> ben_g: pretty much, in my experience they're close enough anyway.  especially if you're trying to go more cli, some package differences with file managers, text editors, etc.
[16:40] <ben_g> Ok, thank you.
[16:42] <yunior> i have an application server running in ubuntu 14.04 it is WSO2 Applitacion Server it runs in port 9443 and 9763 but i see is open from inside my system but from outside is not i noticed is listening at that port but in an ipv6 address what can i do?
[16:46] <stangeland> when i untar a file tar -zxvf, does the ordering matter?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> stangeland:  use unp, it can extract practically any compredsed file correctly
[16:49] <BluesKaj> err compressed
[16:50] <SchrodingersScat> does f matter since it takes a parameter?
[16:50] <m451> I keep getting the "fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@11:0:0) found" error in my x-0.log even thought my xorg.conf has no PCI:0@11:0:0 device configured ANYwhere
[16:51] <m451> log sais it's using /etc/X11/xorg.conf but if i check that config there is no PCI device with that BusID
[16:51] <m451> is lightdm using any other xorg.conf?
[16:58] <Aeyesi> Hai, question for active ones, ...When it comes for parrents.... LTS 14.04 or better 15.04 ?
[16:59] <Aeyesi> o,o
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> Aeyesi  14.04 has longer support
[17:00] <Aeyesi> i am asking just cuz some folks on sum forum said that LTS is mainly more bugfree instead of short-term ones ~
[17:01] <Aeyesi> unsure then, didnt tried those *yet*
[17:01] <ObrienDave> !lts | Aeyesi
[17:01] <Aeyesi> holy cow i know what it is >D
[17:01] <Aeyesi> well nwm
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> Aeyesi  then what do you want to know, exactly
[17:01] <roboguy`> Hey, I was messing around with my keyboard settings yesterday (mostly trying some different things with capslock) and now I'm running into some issues
[17:02] <dangoo87> hey there, I'm having issues getting ubuntu to recognise my soundcard - the only device listed is the hdmi monitor speakers, I've tried a few fixes from this: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/fix-hda-intel-realtek-alc887-no-sound.html and linked threads: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383 but so far I'm having no luck, does anyone have any experience of this and how to resolve?  My mobo is the ASUS Z170-A with onboard sound
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> dangoo87  in a terminal, type   alsamixer   and then F6 to select/change soundcard
[17:03] <roboguy`> some of my laptop media keys are no longer working (volume up/down and play/pause, for instance) and when I try to go to Keyboard Settings in unity-control-center, I get: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.gschema.xml
[17:03] <roboguy`>  does not contain a key named 'repeat'
[17:04] <dangoo87> MonkeyDust, I've tried that before - alsamixer = "cannot open mixer: No such file or directory"
[17:04] <roboguy`> Does anyone happen to know where I might look to try to fix that?
[17:04] <SuperLag> Do any of you folks use unattended/automatic updates?
[17:05] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[17:05] <SuperLag> If you do, and there's a package you want to keep at a certain version, and excluded from updates, is "pinning" how you accomplish that?
[17:05] <dangoo87> ObrienDave, unable to locate package.  It's 14.04.03 if that helps
[17:06] <ObrienDave> i have it and it works
[17:07] <ObrienDave> !info alsamixer
[17:07] <ObrienDave> strange, working here on 14.04.3
[17:08] <ObrienDave> do you have ALL ubuntu repos enabled?
[17:08] <dangoo87> hmm, not sure. would I find that in ub software center, sources?
[17:09] <linocisco> hi alll
[17:09] <Iamgruut> hi all
[17:09] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, yes, enable all ubuntu repos
[17:09] <linocisco> i have edited static interface in /etc/network/interfaces. but /etc/init.d/networking restart could not activate eth0 up
[17:09] <linocisco> and also ifup eth0 didn't work
[17:10] <bekks> linocisco: Then pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[17:10] <dangoo87> ObrienDave, in "ubuntu software" tab, all are selected, in "other software" - the two canonical aren't selected, and a few ppa (source) ones aren't, everything else looks to be selected.
[17:10] <Voyage> How to calibrate display? Can someone please help me fix the brightness and contrast of my lcd. I really am pissed. (our of 100 I guess) what are the optimal values for long time usage. Using kubuntu
[17:11] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, enable canonical repos
[17:11] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[17:11] <abb0> hello
[17:12] <abb0> im trying to install a theme on 14.04
[17:12] <ObrienDave> !info alsa-utils
[17:12] <dangoo87> ObrienDave, alsa utils said already installed to latest version
[17:12] <abb0> and when i extracted the file i dled...i try to move it to the usr/share/themes folder and it wont let me
[17:12] <abb0> there are no permissions allowed to mess with that folder i guess, iwas wondering if there was something i could do
[17:12] <xangua> abb0: creathe ".themes" directory in your home
[17:12] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils
[17:13] <dangoo87> done
[17:13] <abb0> how exactly would i do that just curious. is there a cmd or just right click and create folder
[17:14] <mike1960> hello
[17:14] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, now try alsamixer
[17:14] <dangoo87> same issue, no such file or directory
[17:14] <ObrienDave> really weird
[17:15] <dangoo87> i just tried searching for alsa in the main unity search thingy, and i get alsabase.conf (something I've tried to edit to fix it), and alsa-utils.service
[17:16] <linocisco> bekks, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12175474/
[17:16] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, sudo apt-get install --reinstall pulseaudio
[17:16] <dangoo87> done, same result @ 'alsamixer'
[17:17] <abb0> xangua: how exactly. i did mkdir ~/.themes
[17:17] <abb0> hopefully thats correct
[17:17] <abb0> im stilla noobie
[17:18] <ObrienDave> dangoo87, i'm out of ideas. stick around. someone can help you fix it
[17:18] <roboguy`> unity-control-center also crashes with this error when I try to go mouse settings: Settings schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.peripherals.touchpad' is not installed
[17:19] <dangoo87> thanks for trying ObrienDave, should I periodically just ask for help then, every 10 minutes or so incase someone new appears with more ideas?  I'm not sure what the best etiquette is for this IRC
[17:20] <ObrienDave> 10-15 minutes will be ok. gl
[17:21]  * abb0 is waiting
[17:21] <abb0> xangua: you still there or have you left
[17:22] <xangua> I am
[17:22] <xangua> so I exist¿
[17:22] <ObrienDave> in the 5th dimension ;P
[17:22] <abb0> lol i did what you asked
[17:23] <wafflejock> dangoo87: if you run alsamixer in the terminal it's not running is that the issue?
[17:23] <abb0> but uhhh still having trouble
[17:23] <wafflejock> dangoo87: you should have it in /usr/bin/alsamixer
[17:23] <dangoo87> wafflejock, that appears to be the case - it's not running
[17:23] <dangoo87> let me check that directory
[17:23] <reisio> xangua: donc je suis
[17:24] <dangoo87> "is not a directory"
[17:24] <abb0> im bout to give up ef it
[17:24] <abb0> thanks anyways
[17:24] <wafflejock> dangoo87: if you run, dpkg -L alsa-utils, it will print a big list of all the files the package has in it and should include that path near the top
[17:24] <Voyage> How to calibrate display? Can someone please help me fix the brightness and contrast of my lcd. I really am pissed. (our of 100 I guess) what are the optimal values for long time usage. Using kubuntu
[17:24] <wafflejock> dangoo87: it should be a file
[17:24] <wafflejock> dangoo87: /usr/bin is the directory
[17:24] <wafflejock> dangoo87: but alsamixer should be in there if you do, ls -al /usr/bin/alsamixer
[17:25] <RedBlue> Not directly ubuntu-related, but probably folks here know the answer: when I create an image using clonezilla, can I then move that image to another hard drive/partition and restore from there, or does it have to be where I specifically told clonezilla to make in order for the recovery to work?
[17:25] <dangoo87> ok, working through this now wafflejock - thanks for this help
[17:25] <wafflejock> dangoo87: if it's there then just running it on the command line should work cause /usr/bin is in your PATH environment variable
[17:25] <wafflejock> dangoo87: np
[17:25] <xangua> abb0: now you extract the theme in ~/.themes and you might also need unitytweak tool to select a theme other than ambiance/radiance , for icons you need the .icons directory
[17:27] <Attox> I have a big problem regarding my keyboard layout
[17:27] <dangoo87> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12175579 @ wafflejock - is that the desired outcome for that command?
[17:27] <wafflejock> dangoo87: if you don't see the binary with ls -al /usr/bin/alsamixer, then something got corrupt with the install, you can sudo apt-get install alsa-utils --reinstall
[17:27] <Attox> I use a German keyboard and I can't get the left alt key to work
[17:27] <wafflejock> dangoo87: yeah on line 12 in your pastebin it shows that binary
[17:27] <Attox> I used xbindkeys and a command line dpkg tool, didn't work
[17:28] <wafflejock> dangoo87: so the package seems to have the file but verify the file is there on your filesystem if so you shouldn't have an issue running it
[17:28] <dangoo87> it's there, or something is there anyway (i just browsed to it), should I just cd to that directory then try to run alsamixer?
[17:29] <wafflejock> dangoo87: yea you can try that probably run ./alsamixer while in /usr/bin but typically /usr/bin is set in your PATH so you can just run those binaries from anywhere
[17:29] <aryan__> Guys, is this gonna happen for real ? http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-stupendously-hot-charmander-concept-is-about-to-become-real-489835.shtml?utm_content=buffer658a3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[17:30] <xangua> !ot | aryan__
[17:30] <reisio> aryan__: what is it?
[17:30] <reisio> seems like article after article saying nothing at all
[17:30] <dangoo87> wafflejock, no such file or directory on ./alsamixer
[17:31] <wafflejock> dangoo87: sorry to leave now but gotta run, good luck though
[17:31] <reisio> this? https://www.behance.net/gallery/28804097/Ubuntu-1604-Stupendously-Hot-Charmander-concept
[17:31] <reisio> you can make it yourself if it doesn't happen
[17:32] <abb0> could someone please help a nigga install a theme
[17:32] <dangoo87> thanks for your help wafflejock
[17:32] <abb0> i seriously am struggling
[17:32] <abb0> and feel ignored
[17:32] <abb0> i created a theme folder
[17:32] <abb0> i found the already made theme folder via usr/share/themes but cant just drop the unzipped theme folder into it
[17:34] <AHemlocksLie> I can't get the 15.04 desktop 64-bit installer to work. I've tried several times, and it always hangs in a seemingly random place. I have no idea what to try. Can anyone recommend anything?
[17:35] <amnesiac-31337> hi
[17:35] <AHemlocksLie> I'm considering giving up and using 14.04 LTS, but I don't like giving up on the problem
[17:35] <amnesiac-31337> I need help please, i see suspicious trame in my sniffer with scapy
[17:35] <linocisco>  AHemlocksLie , mine is on Dell laptop 64bit 15.04
[17:35] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: sounds like the on-media image is corrupted
[17:36] <amnesiac-31337> Ether / <IP_ADDRESS> > <IP_ADDRESS> hopopt / Raw ****
[17:36] <xangua> abb0: what theme? did you install ubuntu tweak tool?
[17:36] <AHemlocksLie> TJ-: I've burned a disc and used UNetBootin to put it on a flash drive. Neither worked. I've checked the MD5sum of the image, and it's fine, so I know it's not a bad download
[17:36] <Attox> can someone help me out here? I need to get the left alt-key to work as altgr on a german keyboard layout. Earlier ubuntu options had an option for this which seems to be gone
[17:36] <ObrienDave> coulb be bad flash drive
[17:36] <AHemlocksLie> ObrienDave: and coincidentally bad DVD?
[17:36] <AHemlocksLie> I mean, possible
[17:36] <ObrienDave> yes
[17:36] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: right; but the image on the media may be corrupt, or it may be corrupted whilst being read due to, for example, a USB interface issue.
[17:37] <Attox> can someone help me out here? I need to get the left alt-key to work as altgr on a german keyboard layout. Earlier ubuntu options had an option for this which seems to be gone
[17:37] <ObrienDave> AHemlocksLie, bad DVD burn. 4x max speed recommended
[17:37] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: in these circumstances I always compare the on-media image hash with the expected one
[17:37] <amnesiac-31337> help me please
[17:38] <AHemlocksLie> I'm setting ImgBurn to verify it against the ISO file now
[17:40] <ioria> AHemlocksLie, hd is good ?
[17:41] <AHemlocksLie> ioria: the last time I tried was the furthest it got, and it was just trying to set up and format the ext4 partition. It usually didn't even get that far.
[17:41] <AHemlocksLie> ImgBurn just finished verifying, and the disc is perfect
[17:41] <AHemlocksLie> So media is good, hard drive shouldn't be an issue because it often hangs before even TOUCHING the hard drive
[17:42] <ioria> AHemlocksLie, when hangs , exactly ?
[17:42] <AHemlocksLie> Well, it has managed to carve out the partitions before, but it never got to the point of doing any actual formatting
[17:42] <j1n3l0> does anyone know how to make natural scrolling behaviour consistent across all application? of the applications i have tried they group like this: (chrome, emacs, firefox) (gedit, gnome-terminal) with the latter group seeming to follow the setting in "Mouse and TouchPad" settings.
[17:42] <j1n3l0> on ubuntu 15.04?
[17:42] <AHemlocksLie> ioria: it varies. Literally anywhere in the information gathering process before installation truly starts. When I click next to go to the next page or whatever, the mouse cursor turns to the loading symbol, and nothing ever happens
[17:42] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: memory issue?
[17:43] <Voyage> can anyone one tell me their brightness and contrast values of their lcd (our of 100)?
[17:43] <ioria> AHemlocksLie, your specs ?
[17:43] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: Also, if you use the "Try Ubuntu" option, start a terminal, and then "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" and the start the installer, if there are any I/O (or other hardware related) problems causing this you'll see them immediately
[17:44] <huschke> some question...i have 64 bit system with 4gb ram but taskmanager only shows 3919mb ram ...is that normal ?
[17:44] <ObrienDave> huschke, yes, that's normal
[17:45] <AHemlocksLie> TJ-: the memory issue actually sounds pretty plausible. Load to bad RAM, then fail to read from it because it's bad. But I never have any issues with it otherwise
[17:45] <huschke> ObrienDave:  why ??? 4gb is 4096
[17:45] <huschke> and why only 3919mb
[17:45] <AHemlocksLie> ioria: amd 64 bit 6 core processor, 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB hard drive, GTX 570 graphics card
[17:46] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: I've seen modules go funny without obvious cause. memtest86+ usually reveals the problems. Mostly I find simply firmly reseating the modules is enough to fix it too
[17:46] <huschke> ObrienDave: windows shows in systemsettings full 4gb
[17:46] <ioria> huschke, pretty good
[17:46] <drkjstr> huschke: a small amount of ram is always reserve for the OS, so it will never show the full amount you have installed as available.
[17:46] <huschke> ioria: why does it shows only 3919mb on 64bit system
[17:47] <ioria> huschke, sorry ... it was for AHemlocksLie
[17:47] <ObrienDave> huschke, just a math conversion issue. not to worry
[17:47] <drkjstr> huschke: if it was a 32-bit system, it would show 3.0 - 3.5 GB available, if it is a non-PAE kernel/
[17:47] <huschke> what you all mean ?
[17:47] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: if you want to verify the hash on a USB device (where the device size is usually larger than the ISO size) here's a shell fragment I use to do that (adjust initial variables as required)
[17:47] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: USB=/dev/sdc; ISO=/var/lib/libvirt/images/iso/ubuntu-14.04-server-amd64.iso; SIZE=$(sudo stat -c %s ${ISO}); sudo dd if=${USB} bs=${SIZE} count=1 | sha1sum
[17:47] <AHemlocksLie> The memory thing sounds like the most likely cause. I'll set up memtest to run. That comes on the disc already, yeah?
[17:48] <huschke> drkjstr: when i have installed a 32 bit system the taskmanager shows me 4010mb
[17:48] <TJ-> AHemlocksLie: It should be on the boot-manger menu
[17:48] <AHemlocksLie> TJ-: I thought I remembered it being there, but I wasn't sure
[17:48] <huschke> drkjstr: 32 bit sy<stem shows me 4010mb and 64 bit system always 3919mb
[17:48] <AHemlocksLie> Okay, thanks for the advice, TJ-, ioria, ObrienDave
[17:48] <huschke> whats wrong there
[17:49] <TJ-> huschke: With a 64-bit system the kernel has to reserve some memory for a DMA 'trampoline' for devices that cannot address > 4GiB
[17:49] <ObrienDave> huschke, NOTHING is wrong. it's just a math conversion issue. sheesh
[17:49] <TJ-> huschke: if you want to know how memory is allocated, read "/var/log/dmesg"
[17:51] <ioria> huschke, also check /proc/meminfo
[17:52] <huschke> puuuuhhhhhh
[17:52] <huschke> lol
[17:52] <huschke> confused
[17:59] <AEL-H> Does ubuntu have something similar to the 'host' command? It is not available on ubuntu 12.04
[17:59] <pauljw> huschke, what you should take away from this is that as long as you have sufficient memory on your system, linux is going to efficiently manage it for you.  just ignore the numbers.  as long as you aren't having system problems, leave the driving to linux.
[18:05] <linocisco> what ubuntu exam is good for job?
[18:05] <linocisco> what ubuntu exam or cert is good for job?
[18:06] <Tumbtack> what the hell is an ubuntu exam/cert
[18:06] <ioria> AEL-H, are you sure ? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man1/host.1.html
[18:06] <Tumbtack> learn about linux and debian
[18:06] <Bashing-om> AEL-H: ?? I am sure 12.04 does; see : 'man host' : " HOST(1) >> NAME >> host - DNS lookup utility ". What is it that you are attempting ?
[18:11] <pauljw> linocisco, check this site out for some ideas:  http://www.linux.com/learn/linux-certifications
[18:15] <bekks> linocisco: Certifications are quite useful - after a couple of years working with linux. For learning purposes for a beginner, the learning curve is just too steep.
[18:22] <RegexNinja47> I installed kubuntu-desktop on a fresh install of Ubuntu (w/o any Desktop Environment running prior) and I'm trying to connect via VNC. I get a grey screen with a KDE window saying KCMInit has crashed. Closing said window shows an X-style window saying "Could not start KSMServer Check your installation." Which is then followed by another window telling me KWin has crashed. I've tried messing with XStartup and running as
[18:22] <RegexNinja47> root. Any suggestions?
[18:25] <ioria> RegexNinja47, krfb ?
[18:27] <RegexNinja47> ioria: Sure. I've never used it before, though. So give me a minute
[18:27] <ioria> RegexNinja47, i mean ... what vnc are you using ?
[18:28] <RegexNinja47> oh tightvncserver
[18:28] <RegexNinja47> I thought you wanted my to try using that to connect
[18:28] <RegexNinja47> Also it might be important to note that I'm on ARMHF
[18:29] <ioria> RegexNinja47, and on the client ?
[18:29] <RegexNinja47> I've tried two Android Apps and I've also tried NX. They all come up with the same screen
[18:30] <RegexNinja47> Ideally, I'd like to use NoMachine/NX, but it seems like that's just showing me the VNC screen
[18:31] <Kurolox_> Hello
[18:33] <bipul> Kurolox_, Hi
[18:33] <Kurolox_> Hello
[18:33] <RegexNinja47> iora now its just a grey screen
[18:33] <RegexNinja47> *ioria oops
[18:33] <Kurolox_> I'm having some problems with my wireless card
[18:34] <ioria> RegexNinja47, here you can see how to configure tightvnc  and krfb ... sorry don't know much about android
[18:35] <ioria> RegexNinja47, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[18:38] <RegexNinja47> ioria: My xstartup file complies with the one in that page. I'm loading Xresources and executing "startkde &"
[18:38] <RegexNinja47> I'll attempt to use X11VNC or some other command-line based VNC Server.
[18:48] <Aremis_sexy> dentify
[18:49] <samundrak> clear
[18:51] <geothom230> how can update wordpress on ubuntu?
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> !find wordpress
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> geothom230  if it's in the repos: sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade
[18:54] <geothom230> MonkeyDust:Thanx man for advice
[19:01] <quoc> vậy là fifox như lình ---
[19:04] <HeathHayle> Can I install the non-unity gnome on ubuntu?
[19:04] <snoop_doge> morning all
[19:04] <tsimonq2> HeathHayle: Yes you can
[19:04] <lunix4> @HeathHayle of course you can
[19:05] <OerHeks> HeathHayle, yes
[19:05] <OerHeks> !info gnome-desktop
[19:05] <tsimonq2> No...
[19:05] <snoop_doge> anyone know of a usb wifi that works with ubuntu?
[19:05] <tsimonq2> Not gnome-desktop...
[19:05] <lunix4> @quoc are u vietnamese?
[19:05] <snoop_doge> i need one to update my kernal and get my wifi working
[19:05] <tsimonq2> HeathHayle: http://askubuntu.com/questions/577093/how-to-install-gnome-desktop
[19:05] <OerHeks> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[19:05] <Kaiul3-901> What's up everyone
[19:06] <bekks> snoop_doge: Why do you think you need to update your kernel to do so?
[19:06] <snoop_doge> i read i need 4.0+
[19:06] <snoop_doge> short answer im a newb
[19:07] <bekks> snoop_doge: Where do you read that, and which wifi chipset do you have?
[19:07] <snoop_doge> im putting mate on a atom based 10" laptop
[19:07] <xangua> snoop_doge: you read where? What Wi-Fi card?
[19:07] <MonkeyDust> snoop_doge  forget what you read, ask for advice in this channel
[19:07] <snoop_doge> i have an asus x205ta and used the instructions from a t100 install to trick the bootloader
[19:08] <bekks> snoop_doge: Which wifi chipset do you have?
[19:08] <snoop_doge> i needed help with a uefi install so i looked for articles by ppl that had done it
[19:08] <snoop_doge> ill check
[19:09] <ObrienDave> !uefi
[19:09] <snoop_doge> broadcom 43341
[19:09] <ObrienDave> !broadcom
[19:10] <snoop_doge> ya that zhit is way over my head
[19:12] <lunix4> anyone use #telegram?
[19:12] <HeathHayle> Thanks guys!
[19:15] <misho_> How can istall Java for web browser JRE
[19:15] <HeathHayle> do I need to uninstall unity when I install the gnome she'll?
[19:15] <HeathHayle> shell
[19:15] <xangua> HeathHayle: no
[19:15] <HeathHayle> xangua cool thanks
[19:15] <xangua> misho_: did you install the open jdk plugin from repositories?
[19:16] <misho_> xangua, is it the latest version?
[19:17] <misho_> i'm trying to install RPM file from official site
[19:17] <misho_> and I got a error message  like "Failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by xxx"
[19:17] <xangua> !java | if what you want is Oracle java, follow this misho_
[19:17] <RegexNinja47> I'm having a problem with my fresh install of Ubuntu+Kubuntu-desktop. When trying to run KDE with Xvfb I get this: http://i.imgur.com/dglVMYH.png
[19:17] <bekks> misho_: rpm files arent intended to be used on a non-rpm system, like Ubuntu.
[19:18] <misho_> bekks, i know it is Debian based system
[19:19] <misho_> !java
[19:19] <ioria> !info rpm
[19:19] <ioria> !info alien
[19:20] <lazyrabbit3309> srbn fk gtfvb
[19:21] <lazyrabbit3309> ttngmr gbk loiiir wdedcv
[19:21] <bekks> misho_: Then dont use rpm on that system.
[19:21] <HeathHayle> Can you get a KDE theme for gnome so it looks like KDE but you can install debs?
[19:21] <ioria> but it's not working very well ...
[19:22] <Chris230> unaffiliated/Chris230
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> !themes | HeathHayle start here
[19:23] <HeathHayle> ubottu: Thanks mate!
[19:24] <ObrienDave> *face palms*
[19:24] <HeathHayle> MonkeyDust: Thanks mate but I ment a KDE theme for gnome
[19:25] <ObrienDave> install kde
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> HeathHayle  maybe you find one in one of the links
[19:25] <xangua> Search a kde look like theme for gnome then
[19:25] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: Cant believe I just did that lol
[19:26] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: I need to run Debian packages though
[19:26] <ObrienDave> HeathHayle, happens to us all :)
[19:26] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: Lol
[19:27] <misho_> xangua, bekks  thank you both
[19:27] <ObrienDave> HeathHayle, kde is just a DE
[19:28] <ObrienDave> will not affect the ubuntu core
[19:31] <snoop_doge> ok these instructions are for ppl who know what they are doing https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA
[19:31] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: That's what I thought but asked in linux and got this response http://imgur.com/El38qZB
[19:32] <snoop_doge> i cant use them on the laptop i have because i cant get it online
[19:33] <snoop_doge> so i need to buy a usb wifi adapter first, does anyone know of one which works with ubuntu natively?
[19:33] <ObrienDave> HeathHayle, yes, that's true. not a good idea to mix distro packages. try to find ubuntu equivalent
[19:33] <ilosamart> HeathHayle: they're right
[19:33] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: I thought kbuntu was ubuntu?
[19:33] <ObrienDave> it is
[19:33] <ObrienDave> ubuntu is NOT debian
[19:34] <snoop_doge> so good to see I am not the only confused onw here
[19:34] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: Oh I thought it was
[19:34] <ObrienDave> !flavors
[19:34] <ObrienDave> ubuntu is BASED on debian. it is not debian
[19:35] <HeathHayle> So packages aren't gnome or KDE based only
[19:35] <ObrienDave> right
[19:35] <snoop_doge> is there a way I can simply add the broadcom driver to my usb install stick so i loads automatically?
[19:37] <snoop_doge> anyone still conscious here?
[19:37] <HeathHayle>  ObrienDave right I thought packages where environment dependent they not they are distro dependent?
[19:38] <ObrienDave> HeathHayle, they are distro dependent for the most part. DEs don't really count, afaik
[19:39] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: a GREAT! thanks mate!
[19:40] <ObrienDave> !patience | snoop_doge
[19:41] <ObrienDave> meaning, if no one answers, we don't have a good answer for you
[20:03] <tsimonq2> Just wondering, do we have a tool that can create a custom ISO? Or what files should I edit in the ISO file to do that?
[20:04] <ObrienDave> startup disk creator
[20:04] <tsimonq2> K thanks
[20:15] <stanford_drone> Hello. I'm trying to run a proxy but don't have root so I can't install squid3. Any other ideas?
[20:17] <k1l_> stanford_drone: ask the admin of that machine if you want to run a proxy server on it.
[20:17] <stanford_drone> k1l_, I have an http proxy i can run there just fine. Only I can't find an https proxy to run there.
[20:22] <jessy> I'm using nfs to share a directory. In the client, the directory have nobody as permission, how can I change to postgres?
[20:24] <vlad__> hello
[20:24] <jessy> hello vlad__
[20:24] <vlad__> I'm have a problem with fonts
[20:25] <HeathHayle> Is it dangerous to use gnome 2 if its not supported?
[20:25] <bekks> HeathHayle: gnome2 is dead, basically.
[20:25] <k1l_> HeathHayle: what do you mean exactly? which ubuntu are you on?
[20:26] <vlad__> characters are randomly garbled
[20:26] <vlad__> in the terminal
[20:26] <vlad__> as well as gedit
[20:26] <HeathHayle> k1l_: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[20:26] <vlad__> not in the browser however
[20:26] <vlad__> or in xchat for that matter
[20:26] <k1l_> HeathHayle: gnome2 is no more. you can try the mate. which is a fork of that
[20:26] <jessy> k1l_ you can help me? :-)
[20:26] <vlad__> I'm using ubuntu 15.05
[20:26] <vlad__> 15.04*
[20:28] <HeathHayle> k1l_: So its bad to install gnome 2 then?
[20:28] <k1l_> HeathHayle: there should not be a chance to install it. and yes. its bad
[20:28] <TheGuy> Is it bad for my System if i switch the Bootmode (Legacy,UEFI) often?
[20:28] <ObrienDave> no
[20:29] <monsune> would you have a tip for me as for how to debug my samba problem? no matter what i do all i see is: tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME when trying to connect
[20:29] <monsune> in log: process_usershare_file: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/tom failed. Permission denied / process_usershare_file: stat of /var/lib/samba/usershares/tom failed. No such file or directory
[20:30] <monsune> in no tutorial i found anything about that file to be created or anything
[20:34] <HeathHayle> k1l_: Oh ok I just hate unity
[20:34] <Linuxnoob01> Hey. Anyone able to help me? I want to install my GPU Drivers but i got no clue how. Im running a NVIDIA Geforce GT635M, google only brings results where other people say "dont do it blackscreen omg"
[20:34] <k1l_> HeathHayle: ubuntu offers a lot of other desktops inside the repos.
[20:37] <HeathHayle> k1l_: Ph does it?
[20:37] <HeathHayle> Oh
[20:41] <HeathHayle>  k1l_ what does it offer do you know?
[20:42] <ObrienDave> !flavors
[20:43] <ObrienDave> HeathHayle, xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, jubuntu-desktop. see a pattern there? ;P
[20:43] <ObrienDave> *lubuntu-desktop
[20:44] <HeathHayle> ObrienDave: Lol
[20:44] <Faryshta> hi, how can I check if my computer can recognize my speakers or my headphones?
[20:44] <Faryshta> qasmixer appears blank
[20:44] <ObrienDave> alsamixer
[20:46] <Faryshta> ObrienDave: where on the alsamixer console can i see it
[20:46] <Faryshta> ?
[20:47] <ObrienDave> if they are recognized, they will appear in alsamixer
[20:48] <snoop_doge> ok im back
[20:48] <ovo2451> gays is it rial tune unity to locks like win 7 ?
[20:48] <TikityTik> I botched some auto installed files from a package
[20:48] <snoop_doge> i found the tar driver i need for my wifi
[20:48] <TikityTik> how can I reinstall everything from a package? apt-get install --reinstall did not work
[20:49] <Faryshta> ObrienDave: what should I look for in alsamixer? honest question, i don't know what i am looking at
[20:49] <snoop_doge> the instructions say 2. Open terminal and write:
[20:49] <snoop_doge> cd '/home/`uname -r` ~/Desktop/broadcom-wl-<IP_ADDRESS> 2/kmod'
[20:49] <Faryshta> hi, how can I check if my computer can recognize my speakers or my headphones?
[20:49] <snoop_doge> but what co i change and exclude here?
[20:49] <snoop_doge> far run the live boot
[20:50] <snoop_doge> run without installing
[20:50] <snoop_doge> thats what im doing
[20:50] <ObrienDave> Faryshta, F5 shows all IO devices, speakers, mics, etc. if it's there, the system recognizes the device
[20:51] <k1l_> HeathHayle: kde, xfce, lxde, mate, gnome-shell, and a lot of tiling wms etc.
[20:52] <ObrienDave> i3, fluxbox, etc.
[20:53] <Faryshta> ObrienDave: F5 does nothing. I typed 'alsamixer' on console and then hit F5. Is that the correct procedure?
[20:54] <snoop_doge> dude try "lspci" in a terminal
[20:54] <snoop_doge> it shows all hardware on the pci bus
[20:55] <snoop_doge> i just learned that one myself
[20:55] <ObrienDave> ls = 'list'
[20:55] <snoop_doge> yup
[20:55] <ObrienDave> lsusb, lspci, etc.
[20:55] <snoop_doge> oh
[20:55] <snoop_doge> what other buses are there?
[20:56] <ObrienDave> don't quite remember LOL
[20:56] <snoop_doge> i am trying to install a broadcom driver and dont know how
[20:56] <snoop_doge> i have the tar.bz2
[20:56] <snoop_doge> on a flash drive
[20:57] <snoop_doge> what do i do with it
[20:57] <snoop_doge> extract it?
[20:59] <samundrak> how can i get all running process or apps ?
[21:02] <alnr> i'm trying to vnc to unbuntu server running xfce with vino-server, getting 'TLS handshake timeout'. how can i force vino not to require encryption? I turned it off in dconf-editor and gsettings
[21:02] <LtL> samundrak: ps aux
[21:05] <Faryshta_> hi, can someone help me understand if my sound HDMI card is working? http://pastie.org/10371092 this is my 'aplay -l' result
[21:06] <LtL> snoop_doge: copy it to your drive and extract it, tar -xjf file.tar.bz2
[21:06] <snoop_doge> then what?
[21:07] <Ben64> snoop_doge: are you sure you want to manually install a driver like that?
[21:08] <LtL> snoop_doge: read the README file, typically in the dir you extracted to, ./configure ; make ; make install
[21:08] <snoop_doge> i dont have an internet connection on the laptop untill i do
[21:08] <snoop_doge> ?? right
[21:08] <Ben64> snoop_doge: you can use a cable
[21:09] <LtL> snoop_doge: no problem, read what files are readable first
[21:09] <snoop_doge> its an asus x205ya o ethernet port
[21:09] <snoop_doge> no ethernet port
[21:10] <LtL> snoop_doge: copy from the flash drive to your main drive in a temp home dir, then extract etc
[21:11] <snoop_doge> ok
[21:11] <Faryshta_>  hi, can someone help me understand if my sound HDMI card is working? http://pastie.org/10371092 this is my 'aplay -l' result
[21:17] <Faryshta_> how can I know the chip of a card on alsamixer? I get "Intel Haswell HDMI" but i don't know if thats correct
[21:18] <ObrienDave> haswell is a type of CPU
[21:19] <wileee> Faryshta_, man alsamixer in the terminal might help
[21:20] <Faryshta_> ObrienDave: I am trying to follow this guide http://www.ubuntu-guia.com/2009/07/problemas-tarjeta-audio-hda-intel-en.html and I am stuck on the part that it ask you to get the codec version of your HDMI card
[21:21] <esdrpa> hi i need help
[21:21] <snoop_doge> ok so the instructions im using to install my wifi say to use b43-fwcutter package. nut installing offline and my terminal does not recognise the command b43-fwcutter
[21:21] <ObrienDave> !ask | esdrpa
[21:21] <Ben64> snoop_doge: it isn't a command, its a package
[21:21] <snoop_doge> hmm
[21:22] <Ben64> snoop_doge: sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter
[21:22] <Ben64> but you don't have internet, so you have to get it another way
[21:22] <plytro> !offline-install
[21:22] <snoop_doge> ben im offline
[21:22] <ObrienDave> Faryshta_, since my spanish pretty much sucks, i can't help you with that page
[21:22] <plytro> !offline | snoop_doge
[21:23] <plytro> i've taken to running my own internal approx server
[21:25] <Faryshta_> ObrienDave: at some point it ask you to user alsamixer to get your chip/codec. in the example the codec is  ALC888 but i don't know where he got it on alsamixer
[21:27] <ObrienDave> Chip: Intel IbexPeak HDMI
[21:27] <ObrienDave> says mine
[21:27] <jakenheimer> Good evening.  Has anybody tried installing Ubuntu on a Nexbook Flexx 11?  it's a 2 in 1 with Bay Trail.
[21:28] <squinty> Faryshta_,  might want to take a look at  inxi   it's available through the repo's    to see your audio card information type the following in a terminal after installing inxi   inxi -Ax
[21:29] <squinty> Faryshta_,  more information about inxi at  https://code.google.com/p/inxi/
[21:29] <Faryshta_> squinty: http://pastie.org/10371149
[21:32] <squinty> Faryshta_,  looks like your hdmi card is card 3 then.   don't really know about multiple sound card setups so hopefully someone else will contribute to solving your problem.
[21:33] <Faryshta_> squinty: thanks, but how do I ask for help based on that?
[21:34] <wileee> jakenheimer, the 10 seems to work, here a full hardware description is your key to help, which is usually best served from the linux terminal.
[21:40] <squinty> Faryshta_,  maybe try googling for the particulars displayed by inxi and see if any others have experienced the same problem you are encountering.  if you include the word "solved" in your googling you may find a quick solution
[21:45] <F1skr> Is it possible to get a ubuntu server root tar package somewhere? Similar to what is provided here: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vivid/current/ but without the cloud-init stuff?
[21:45] <Mikay_HackThis> Bonsoir tout le monde
[21:46] <rukhazon> Bonsoir
[21:46] <Mikay_HackThis> Bonsoir ,
[21:48] <AnonymousGpt> qui ?
[21:48] <squinty> F1skr,  might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:48] <squinty> !fr
[21:55] <Udita> Hello.  I have Ubuntu 14 LTS installed on a Gigabyte mini PC.  It worked fine for weeks and then I tried to reboot it and it hangs after BIOS POST.  I can mount the disk when I'm booted from a thumb drive.
[21:56] <Udita> It simply hangs with no error message.
[21:56] <Udita> And, curiously, the caps lock light doesn't work when after it hangs.
[21:56] <Udita> Any ideas?
[21:58] <tgeest> quit
[21:59] <wileee> Udita, Do you normally see a grub menu and is this a standard install or a chroot....etc boot
[22:00] <wileee> not aware of this hardware setup is all
[22:00] <Udita> Standard install.  We didn't have a Grub menu before (when it was working).
[22:01] <anon__> Need help setting up vpn,
[22:01] <Udita> Ubuntu is the only OS on the machine.
[22:01] <wileee> Udita, Try booting it with tapping the shift key at turning on to see it maybe.
[22:01] <Udita> wileee: Ok, I will try that.
[22:02] <wileee> Udita, If you get grub, you can boot and tap the tab again for a text boot, or modify grub to do that and look for errors.
[22:03] <Udita> wileee: Ok, trying
[22:06] <Udita> wileee: It still hangs, even after I hit shift key
[22:07] <rofltech> Udita: if you can't mount your hdd that's not good.
[22:07] <rofltech> do you have another sata/m.2 port you can move the drive to?
[22:08] <wileee> Udita, Is there a uefi setup, comes as a box but a base question is all.
[22:08] <wileee> rofltech, They can mount the partition
[22:08] <Udita> rofltech: We _can_ mount the hard drive.
[22:08] <Udita> fsck says it is clean.
[22:08] <Udita> sda1
[22:10] <wileee> Udita, This is a msdos, using the mbr is the answer or a uefi is all on booting.
[22:10] <Udita> rofltech: It boots when I put a different SATA disk in the machine.
[22:10] <Bashing-om> Udita: IF this is a UEFI system, it is the escape key that grub looks for to display the boot menu .
[22:11] <Udita> I think it is UEFI.
[22:11] <Udita> I'll try escape.
[22:11] <wileee> cool
[22:13] <Bashing-om> Udita: - a 3 second window - is all the opportunity you have after the firmware (bios) screen clears, that grub is awaiting and looking for the escape key . May have to try several times to hit this window of opportunity .
[22:16] <Udita> Bashing-om: It did not work, Grub doesn't come up
[22:18] <Bashing-om> Udita: wileee :: Then we need to know wheather this is a UEDI or bios system .. and consider re-installing grub ?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> UEFI*
[22:19] <wileee> Bashing-om, Yeah go for it, I'm up for a coffee run, heh.
[22:20]  * wileee wink's at their supergrub usb
[22:22] <bruderbell> Hi.  I'm running Ubuntu 14.04.3LTS Server and used the instructions at http://www.silicondust.com/support/downloads/linux/ to download and make and install my HDHomeRun on my system.  I installed tvheadend and it works like a beauty thus far.  Only, when I reboot it seems like tvheadend is loading quicker than hdhomerun drivers (I think), because tvheadend doesn't see my tuners.  If I sudo restart tvheadend, it then sees them jus
[22:22] <wileee> Udita, Boot the live ubuntu and we can run a few commands and probably fix from there.
[22:22] <bruderbell> Is there a way to delay the start of the tvheadend process based on the starting of the hdhomerun driver?
[22:23] <Linnak> hi, do you know a good screenrecording software from the official repo? I use simplescreen recorder because any I used from ubuntu's repo had a bad output. It played back fast as hell even if I changed the fps from 15fps to 30fps. so i don't know what's wrong with them but they just don't work for me (kazam, istanbul, recordmydesktop, vocosrceen)
[22:24] <solenoids> what's a good terminal emulator for someone with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa ?
[22:25] <Udita> wileee: Yes, let me know the commands
[22:26] <wileee> Udita, I'm just gonna confirm a couple things, if uefi than others here will help.  run sudo parted -l and pastebin it
[22:28] <Udita> wileee: Ok, trying that
[22:29] <mav> hey i got a small problem
[22:29] <mav> can anyone help it out
[22:30] <mav> anyone there???
[22:30] <wileee> mav, Describe issue to the channel for help.
[22:30] <Bashing-om> !ask | mav and see
[22:31] <OerHeks> how do you tell it is a small problem/
[22:31] <mav> my notification panel is not visible
[22:32] <k1l_> mav: what ubuntu? what desktop? what did you do before that happened?
[22:33] <mav> using backbox...i just clicked on it on the option remove
[22:33] <k1l_> mav: ok, better ask the backbox guys about that
[22:34] <mav> cant u tell about that
[22:34] <mav> backbox is ubuntu based
[22:34] <mav> if u well known with ubuntu i think u can do somethong
[22:34] <mav> something*
[22:34] <k1l_> mav: if you want ubuntu then use ubuntu :)  we dont know what the backbox guys changed there. so better ask them
[22:35] <mav> its ubuntu
[22:35] <k1l_> !backbox | mav
[22:35] <mav> ok
[22:36] <mav> LOAD [-e] <smile>
[22:37] <mav> script <smile>py mav/
[22:38] <Udita> wileee: http://imgur.com/l31edzj
[22:38] <Udita> wileee: this is the parted -l output
[22:47] <Udita> Any help ?
[22:51] <Bashing-om> Udita: We await your pastebin of wileee's request of ' sudo parted -l ' .
[22:52] <promet> I can't seem to get a vpn connection in 15.04, i've tried some bug related suggestions re: 1pv4 route 'empty' gateway settings but it doesn't seem to be working
[22:52] <promet> anyone got a successful vpn coinnection in 15.04?
[22:57] <eatingthenight> anyone have a good program they use for log aggregation from multiple servers?
[22:58] <MonkeyDust> eatingthenight  there's also #ubuntu-server
[23:02] <eatingthenight> MonkeyDust: thanks i asked over there as well
[23:03] <wileee> Udita, how attached are you to the daa on the HD?
[23:03] <wileee> data*
[23:06] <Guest5152> http://l2damage.com/donate/index.php?mod=invite&i=51551
[23:08] <Udita> wileee: Very!
[23:09] <wileee> Udita, Backed up?
[23:10] <mindbender1> I just installed 15.04 and I can't see the application switcher UI when I alt+tab even though the command works but there's no UI to know which application one is selecting.
[23:11] <k1l_> mindbender1: what desktop exactly?
[23:11] <mindbender1> ubuntu
[23:12] <wileee> Udita, Anyway a pastebin is not an image, I will prompt the bot so you know. Seems like a problem so far I would want a 2nd/3rd opinion on
[23:12] <wileee> !pastebin | Udita
[23:12] <mindbender1> k1l_:  ubuntu
[23:13] <k1l_> mindbender1: so its a original ubuntu with unity?
[23:13] <mindbender1> Yes
[23:13] <k1l_> what video card and what driver?
[23:13] <squeakyneb> How does one upgrade an unsupported Ubuntu (13.10 specifically) to a newer version that IS supported? It's just giving me a "no new release found" when I do the release upgrade thing. We've tried many google-able suggestions, mostly from out-of-date forum threads and wiki articles. What should we do?
[23:13] <tyler1> Anyone know of any nerdy channels?
[23:14] <AfterDarkness> after installing mate-desktop-environment-extras I am missing some panel layouts any ideas where to get them?
[23:14] <squinty> !alis
[23:14] <k1l_> squinty: make sure your release prompt is not set to LTS only
[23:14] <k1l_> squeakyneb:  make sure your release prompt is not set to LTS only
[23:14] <k1l_> squinty: sorry, worng nick :)
[23:15] <squeakyneb> k1l_: just running commandline, what would be the relevant setting/flag there? Regardless, shouldn't it upgrade to 14.04?
[23:15] <squinty> k1l_,  np though you did have me wondering there for a sec  lol
[23:16] <ObrienDave> k1l_ is good at that ;P
[23:16] <k1l_> squeakyneb: ah its 13.10. there you will need to change the sources to the old-releases
[23:16] <k1l_> !eolupgrade | squeakyneb
[23:16] <k1l_> squeakyneb: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades would be the cli config for that
[23:16] <wileee> Udita, You will get help, just takes a few when you have a 2 tb HD with data needed not working as is expected, if empty we would be done, or backed up.
[23:19] <squeakyneb> that EOL wiki page didn't help a whole bunch, already tried the old-releases repo :(
[23:19] <squeakyneb> this isn't my laptop either so it's possible that the user of it broke something >.<
[23:20] <k1l_> squeakyneb: can you put that outputs in a pastebin? lsb_release -d, uname -a, cat /etc/apt/sources.list, cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[23:24] <squeakyneb> k1l_: hilarious story: colleague apparently got the upgrade to work in the last 5 minutes of the day before we clocked off on friday, so it is running 14.04 but the packages are broken as hell
[23:24] <squeakyneb> we need to use more sticky notes :D
[23:27] <Saulo> (away) off.
[23:28] <MonkeyDust> squeakyneb  i picked this up in this channel, a basic repair script ... save it as 'repair' or so, make executable and run it ... http://www.hastebin.com/upusonunom.hs
[23:29] <edisto> I am having an issue with installing my firepro drivers... when I run the drivers from amd site I get an error saying 'XServer 1.17.1_64a' is not supported
[23:30] <edisto> anyone know how to install firepro drivers from fglrx from repository?
[23:30] <edisto> er fglrx repository
[23:31] <Udita> wileee: Did you see the last message
[23:32] <squeakyneb> MonkeyDust: thanks, I'll have a look-see
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> hey guys, I'm trying to figure out how to control my keyboard backlight with linux and windows.   I've found I CAN shut it off by running the command.
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/leds/tpacpi::thinklight/brightness
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> however, I can't seem to turn it back on without doing the keyboard key combination.  Fn+Space, that I suspect is bios triggered or something
[23:33] <cluelessperson_> cat max_brightness   shows 255.
[23:34] <cluelessperson_> cat max_brightness > brightness     doesn't do anything
[23:36] <Bashing-om> Udita: wileee ::  misssed ya .. Question, what is on that 2nd drive, sdb ? In a bit of a quandry how to handle the mixed (msdos/GPT) partitioning schemes. and why 'parted' will not read that sdb drive .
[23:37] <misterpink> s
[23:40] <Jon30> hey guys, does ubuntu 15 run well on a convertible laptop? it's xps 12, basically when i switch to tablet mode, is it going to be useful?
[23:40] <d1mf> Hi, increase scrolling mouse implemented ubuntu 15.04?
[23:40] <d1mf> speed low)
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Udita: Are you with us ?
[23:45] <Udita> Bashing-om: Yes
[23:45] <Udita> Some update : The HDD is not booting in UEFI, the live USB is
[23:46] <Udita> so, booted from USB, and hit escape, that took me to grub shell
[23:46] <Bashing-om> Udita: What is sdb ? Internal hard drive or a USB drive ? And what is on this 2nd drive that we are not able to get 'parted' to list ?
[23:46] <scott606> Hey guys im trying to install xubuntu on this harddrive i just installed and im getting this error Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda: Input/output error
[23:47] <Udita> from grub shell loaded the kernel, and booted Ubuntu, it worked - does this information help ?
[23:47] <Udita> Let me check back the sdb
[23:50] <dimitry7> Hi there, how can I find words with more than 3 letters 'p' in them?
[23:51] <Udita> Bashing-om: sdb is flash drive
[23:51] <Bashing-om> Udita: K; we are considering .
[23:52] <scott606> Hey guys im trying to install xubuntu on this harddrive i just installed and im getting this error Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda: Input/output error
[23:53] <edisto> no one knows how to install firepro drivers eh?
[23:54] <scott606> Hey guys im trying to install xubuntu on this harddrive i just installed and im getting this error Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda: Input/output error
[23:54] <David_W617> Can someone tell me why my /boot partition (/dev/sda5) is not recognized by grub? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12179784/
[23:56] <Bashing-om> Udita: On sda drive there is no efi partition to support UEFI; what results when you change in the firmware to boot 'CCSM' and try and boot the system ?
[23:59] <Bashing-om> scott606: " Input/output error " could be from a number of reasons. How many 'primary' partitions on on the hard drive ? - in the MBR scheme there is a maximum of 4 .
[23:59] <scott606> in gparted it just says unallocated
[23:59] <scott606> it gives me that error when i try to create a boot partition


[21:15] <mwhudson> cjwatson: is it you who keeps retrying lp:golang?
[21:57] <cjwatson> mwhudson: Yes, see my bug updates
[21:58] <mwhudson> cjwatson: yeah, caught up to that part of my email now
[21:58] <mwhudson> cjwatson: a bit odd
[21:58] <mwhudson> cjwatson: when this finally succeeds, it's not going to try to create 10k branches in launchpad is it?
[21:59] <cjwatson> probably, but that shouldn't inherently be a problem
[21:59] <cjwatson> the git branch model is designed to be cheap
[23:09] <deeno> I need an older version of monodevelop. ??


[00:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (groovy-proposed/main) [2.694.1 => 2.694.3] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
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[01:26] <xnox> vorlon:  thanks!
[04:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mutter (groovy-proposed/main) [3.38.2-1ubuntu1~20.10.1 => 3.38.3-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, desktop-extra)
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[08:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libmd [s390x] (hirsute-proposed) [1.0.3-3]
[09:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (groovy-proposed) [2.694.2]
[09:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (groovy-proposed) [2.694.3]
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (focal-proposed) [2.664.16]
[09:56] <Laney> xnox: sil2100: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1915114
[09:56] <Laney> it's an oem machine, apparently they ended up with no kernel ...
[09:57] <Laney> it hits: Feb  7 21:19:24 ubuntu /plugininstall.py: Refusing to install {'linux-oem-20.04'}: marked to be removed later on, so this would be redundant.
[09:58]  * Laney squeaks
[10:03] <mwhudson> i'm sure i read at least three focal-changes emails about that today :(
[10:11] <sil2100> Laney: *sighs*
[10:14] <sil2100> This whole mark-for-removal is utterly confusing - if it was marked to be removed later on anyway, wouldn't that mean that even without our last-minute change it would be potentially broken?
[10:14] <Laney> I dunno
[10:15] <sil2100> I don't feel strongly in all the oem installation story, who wrote the original ubiquity parts of it?
[10:16] <Laney> me and xnox, xnox more the kernel selection stuff
[10:25] <sil2100> Could you spare some cycles to get to the bottom of this? You're our only hope!
[10:25] <sil2100> *dramatic superhero music in the background*
[10:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted whoopsie [sync] (groovy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[10:30] <Laney> well I can reproduce it I think, that's something
[10:34] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kS9Rqz3qkh/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B3cxzDrNwc/
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted whoopsie [sync] (focal-proposed) [0.2.69ubuntu0.3]
[11:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (focal-proposed) [2.664.17]
[11:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.525.50]
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (focal-proposed/main) [1:4.2-3ubuntu6.12 => 1:4.2-3ubuntu6.13] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.525.51]
[11:19] <xnox> Laney:  they are using oem image right, the one that defaults to oem kernel?
[11:20] <xnox> Laney:  or stock one?
[11:20] <Laney> normal image
[11:20] <Laney> oem sku
[11:20] <Laney> give me a second, I will have a commit
[11:20] <xnox> Laney:  read your paste, amd i'm like O_o
[11:21]  * xnox wants to go cry in the corner a bit.
[11:21] <sil2100> As we all
[11:21] <xnox> sil2100:  separately, my fixes for UEFI images are all good and dandy. But i did not copy them for the buildd images.
[11:21] <xnox> sil2100:  i think i will verify this batch, and redo them for buildd images later.
[11:22] <Laney> xnox: the problem is basically this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6dgZVB7M2X/
[11:25] <Laney> what is arch_check_usable_kernel trying to do?
[11:25] <Laney> because it is this which rejects oem
[11:27] <sil2100> xnox: yeah, +1, since it's livecd-rootfs we also don't have to wait the aging period anyway
[11:27] <Laney> I guess because this is supposed to be selected by the "if wants_oem_kernel" branch or what?
[11:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (xenial-proposed) [2.408.66]
[11:30] <xnox> Laney: thing to install should be compatible.
[11:31] <xnox> Laney: i guess before excluding things to remove from to install..... things worked fine. because removal of -5.6.0-1042-oem was ok.
[11:31] <xnox> and a noop.
[11:31] <xnox> Laney:  now, we must not mark for removal the abi of the kernel to install.
[11:32] <xnox> and only ever remove the generic one, or well the kernel that is preinstalled only.
[11:32] <xnox> Laney:  you reproduced this with just the oem-qemu-meta?
[11:32] <Laney> no but it probably would do
[11:33] <Laney> I was using sutton.newell-adam like the reporter
[11:33] <xnox> how did it work on release day.... nvidia kept the kernel installed?
[11:33] <xnox> and this is without nvidia?
[11:33] <Laney> something like that
[11:34] <xnox> so, in incompatible ones, we need to iterate over them with dpkg to see if they are installed, and only add them to incompatible, if they are installed.
[11:38] <Laney> I guess we don't consider the oem kernel "usable" because it should only ever be explicitly selected
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1040.42~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:41] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jskmtws8Bh/
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1020.21+21.04.1] (core, kernel)
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.8.0-1020.21+21.04.1]
[11:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-pip [source] (focal-proposed) [20.0.2-5ubuntu1.2]
[11:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1022.23+21.04.2] (core, kernel)
[11:59] <sil2100> This change makes me feel uneasy deep inside, but I really don
[11:59] <sil2100> *don't know these parts
[11:59] <sil2100> Like, why is it marked as incompatible in the first place?
[12:00] <Laney> because it's not "usable", that's why we have this escape hatch for oem kernels (I think)
[12:06] <xnox> sil2100:  we want to prevent people able to preseed oem kernel choice..... when they are not on certified / known to work platform.
[12:06] <Laney> so we say in that codepath, everything you thought was good is now bad
[12:06] <Laney> but we don't say
[12:07] <Laney> some of the things you thought were bad, actually they are ok
[12:07] <Laney> (oem things)
[12:07] <Laney> that's what I was thinking when making the change like that
[12:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.8.0-1022.23+21.04.2]
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure-5.4 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.4.0-1040.42~18.04.1]
[12:16] <sil2100> tumbleweed: hey! I had a question regarding the python-virtualenv SRU for focal, left it in the bug comment o/
[12:24] <xnox> apw:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2021-February/117224.html => skipping udebs by default patches with test builds of unstable kernel for comparison.
[12:52] <apw> xnox, as we don't build them when disable_di=false why would we strip them?
[12:53] <apw> them being in debian/control but not built (and therefore added to debian/files) is key to them not ending up in the binary upload
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gcc-11-cross-ports [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/universe) [1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1022.24+21.04.1] (core, kernel)
[13:20] <xnox> apw:  dak in debian would reject that!
[13:21] <xnox> i would have thought.
[13:21] <xnox> apw:  but if that works, it would make things simplier.
[13:21] <apw> xnox, yep, it would ... but we are doing that _allllll_ the time
[13:21] <xnox> apw:  i was also thinking to have udebs that are in the top level control.stub to be in a separate file, to never emit them.
[13:21] <xnox> apw:  hence no need to strip them either.
[13:23] <apw> xnox, as in generate control.stub (from control.stub.in), and control.stub.di (from kernel-wedge) and then include control.stub.di in the concatenation to debian/control only when enabled.
[13:23] <apw> xnox, if so ... that would suck a lot less
[13:23] <icey> Hey, any chance this sru to Focal that's been verified for over a week could get looked at today? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1906271
[13:26] <xnox> apw:  yeah all that.
[13:26] <xnox> apw:  cause i hate that you mention some udebs in the .dsc, but not all; and also mention them when not building it.
[13:26] <xnox> gives me the creeps =)
[13:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.8.0-1022.24+21.04.1]
[13:54] <xnox> Laney:  sil2100: it looks god.
[13:54] <xnox> that too, but "good" as well =)
[14:01] <Laney> xnox: what does?
[14:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (focal-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[14:11] <xnox> please review/approve ^
[14:30] <coreycb> RAOF: hello, if you have cycles, please could we get a review of cinder and ovn-octavia-provider? they start in the groovy unapproved queue.
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected ubiquity [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[14:58] <icey> RAOF: not to pile on, but the nova SRU that's been verified for Focal for a while now would be great to progress :)
[15:39] <sil2100> icey: well, not all bugs from the nova SRU have been verified yet! https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1893263 is still pending
[15:39] <sil2100> So the SRU team cannot release it without all the bits verified
[15:42] <sil2100> Anyway, please do not release any SRUs to focal-updates for now, thanks o/
[16:57] <xnox> apw:  is it intended that src:linux-meta in hirsute for 5.10 on arm64 does not produce linux-generic-64k like linux-meta in hirsute-release does the v5.8 one?
[17:26] <xnox> apw:  never mind pinged ~kernel people to fix it.
[17:43] <tumbleweed> sil2100: ah, I think I made a typo in that SRU
[19:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Desktop amd64 [Focal <IP_ADDRESS>] (20210209.1) has been added
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[19:32] <tumbleweed> sil2100: ^^
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (groovy-proposed) [2:17.0.0-0ubuntu3]
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[20:43] <doko> vorlon, Laney: now that glibc is blocking everything, I think it would be better to priotize the armhf tests triggered by glibc, instead of priotizing test for packages with a small number of autopkg tests
[20:44] <doko> also a mass retry of all tests triggered by perl would help
[21:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-httplib2 [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.2+dfsg-1ubuntu0.3]
[22:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (hirsute-proposed/main) [5.8.0-1018.20+21.04.1] (core)
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-kvm [amd64] (hirsute-proposed) [5.8.0-1018.20+21.04.1]
[23:29] <sil2100> tumbleweed: thanks!


[01:39] <mup> Bug #1452957 was opened: Error: No compatible version found: pangyp@'am11/pangyp' running "make all" <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452957>
[03:12] <harushimo> Set the ‘Router IP’ to the default gateway for this private network
[03:12] <harushimo> what does this mean? I'm not following
[03:13] <harushimo> Is it done when you use ifconfig?
[07:37] <firl> anyone able to help me diagnose why my one node in MAAS isn’t properly discovering my raid drives as 2 drives? they are set up as raid 0 and the lshw shows the data
[13:08] <mup> Bug #1452929 changed: OS selection for "Deploy" action should show the actual default OS instead of "default OS" <oil> <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452929>
[13:08] <mup> Bug #1453132 was opened: regiond issue causes clusterd to disconnect <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453132>
[13:50] <darknet> hi guys....is there someone can help me with MaaS
[14:06] <darknet> anyone is available to help me? thanks in advance
[14:24] <roadmr> darknet: I suggest you just ask your question and if someone can help, they will
[14:28] <darknet> ok my problem is that: when I try to run the following command "maas-provision install-shared-secret" on Cluster Controller obtain the following error "usage: __main__.py [-h] [-c FILENAME]       {atomic-write,customize-config,generate-dhcp-config,install-uefi-config,start-cluster-controller,upgrade-cluster}
[14:28] <darknet>                    ...
[14:28] <darknet> __main__.py: error: invalid choice: 'install-shared-secret' (choose from u'atomic-write', u'customize-config', u'generate-dhcp-config', u'install-uefi-config', u'start-cluster-controller', u'upgrade-cluster') root@ubuntu:/home/richardsith# clear". I'd like to add another Cluster on already exist Region Controller. Anyone can help me?
[14:28] <darknet> I've found that command on chengelog of MaaS
[14:35] <darknet> has anyone added a Cluster Controller on a Region Controller installing the secret key on Cluster?
[14:36] <cmagina> so i have a machine being managed by maas, i need to access the console as i am reconfiguring the networking, but it seems the console is locked. is there a way to get console access?
[14:40] <firl> anyone know how to ad a custom Commisioning agent? I am having issues with block devices being detected and wanted to use vivid instead of 14.04
[14:56] <mup> Bug #1453168 was opened: <acronym> HTML element has been obsoleted <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453168>
[15:56] <mup> Bug #1453192 was opened: 1.8b4 Sort by styling on filters misleading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453192>
[15:59] <mup> Bug #1453192 changed: 1.8b4 Sort by styling on filters misleading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453192>
[16:08] <mup> Bug #1453192 was opened: 1.8b4 Sort by styling on filters misleading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453192>
[16:14] <mup> Bug #1453192 changed: 1.8b4 Sort by styling on filters misleading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453192>
[16:17] <mup> Bug #1453192 was opened: 1.8b4 Sort by styling on filters misleading <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1453192>


[05:40] <Noskcaj> Is there any point trying to fix some of quickly's bugs since it's pretty much EOL
[06:09] <pitti> Good morning
[07:19] <jibel> pitti, some packages failed to install in adt VMs during latest provisioning. I reprovisioned them.
[07:19] <jibel> pitti, I'll restart the tests that failed once it is done.
[07:19] <pitti> jibel: thanks; I've not gone through all of them yet (see #u-quality), but started
[07:20] <pitti> jibel: there's a couple of new packages there which geuinnely fail
[07:27] <pitti> jibel: oh, was visp one of those? that doesn't have an obvious failure
[07:28] <jibel> pitti, visp, quagga and gtkada
[07:28] <pitti> good, thanks; deleting those mails then
[07:37] <jibel> pitti, that's also a case where status in britney stays 'running' forever. Because the test fails early (like VM or test session fails to start), no results is generated.
[07:37] <jibel> -s
[08:31] <pitti> jibel: ah, git uninstallability is also on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/trusty-proposed_probs.html
[08:31] <pitti> problem is that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git/1:<IP_ADDRESS>-1 built only on amd64
[08:32] <pitti> tests fail on the othhers
[08:32] <pitti> debian bug 727226
[08:33] <pitti> seems we should perhaps just remove that version from trusty-proposed, and wait for a fix from Debian?
[08:33] <pitti> cjwatson: ^ would you agree that this is a sensible approach? (unless someone on the Ubuntu side fancies fixing this)
[08:34] <cjwatson> pitti: Could you check whether anything has grown versioned dependencies that would be broken by removing it?
[08:34] <pitti> yes, doing
[08:37] <pitti> cjwatson: checked all components, none
[08:38] <cjwatson> pitti: and AIUI this is causing some autopkgtests to fail?  (for the removal message)
[08:38] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, at least guilt
[08:39] <cjwatson> pitti: ok, removed
[08:39] <pitti> thanks
[08:40] <pitti> cjwatson: I didn't actually mean that you should do it for me, I was more interested in your general opinion whether we should just remove broken stuff from -proposed if it's unlikely that we'll fix it on our side
[08:40] <pitti> but I take this as a "yes" :)
[08:40] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I hold that opinion in general, but in the case where it's having fallout I'd say probably
[08:41] <cjwatson> as a general policy it worries me that it's hard to track
[08:46] <pitti> cjwatson: heh, ironically it broke mercurial's tests, too (as they install git to verify git import)
[08:51] <Fudge> cjwatson  I sit here, I read but still have a hard time catching on :D
[08:58] <debfx> jodh: is it possible to run upstart services as a user with all its supplementary groups (without using wrappers like start-stop-daemon)?
[09:00] <xnox> debfx: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setuid
[09:00] <xnox> debfx: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setgid
[09:00] <xnox> ?
[09:02] <debfx> yeah I know about setuid but that just sets the primary group
[09:04] <xnox> i see.
[09:05] <xnox> debfx: i'm not aware of any other standard facility, apart from using sudo / start-stop-daemon / etc.
[09:05] <xnox> doko: with gcc-4.8, how come it's libstdc++-4.8-dev, yet libstdc++6-4.8-dbg
[09:06] <pitti> most packages don't put the soname into the -dev package for simplicity
[09:07] <pitti> (-dev package name, I mean)
[09:10] <jodh> debfx: you mean+need setgid I think.
[09:21] <xnox> pitti: sure, but it used to be libstdc++6 across the board (including all -dev packages) so not sure if the rename is incomplete.
[09:22] <debfx> jodh: setgid sets the primary group and leaves the supplementary group list empty, no?
[09:22] <debfx> basically I want upstart to call initgroups() before execing or let me manually specify the supplementary groups.
[09:22] <jodh> debfx: upstart does call initgroups.
[09:23] <jodh> debfx: maybe you're using an older version that doesn't?
[09:23] <debfx> possibly, tested it with precise
[09:26] <debfx> ok, found it: https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/upstart/upstart-initgroups/+merge/136794
[09:50] <darkxst> clutter-gst is completely broken in trusty right now it seems
[09:50] <darkxst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155208131/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.clutter-gst-2.0_2.0.8-1~trusty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:51] <darkxst> other builds just hang
[09:52] <darkxst> although can't reproduce locally with pbuilder
[10:30] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber, jibel: FYI, I renamed the BP to core-*, as per cjohnston's mail: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-lts-upgrade-testing
[10:33] <brainwash> pitti: http://lpaste.net/94917 http://lpaste.net/94918 http://lpaste.net/94919
[10:33] <brainwash> regarding the suspend/resume issue
[10:34] <brainwash> some random log files, did my best to gather some information when the failure occurs
[10:36] <pitti> brainwash: thanks! would you mind adding these to the bug, so that the information is at one place?
[10:37] <pitti> brainwash: as for the first, I take it you didn't do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingDBus to see the method calls as well? The log only has signals
[10:38] <brainwash> oh, right.. forgot about this
[10:39] <brainwash> there is no trace of this signal in the monitor log "SIGNAL EMISSION org.freedesktop.systemd1.Manager.JobRemoved()"
[10:39] <brainwash> send by systemd-shim
[10:39] <pitti> stgraber, slangasek: as discussed, I filed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1311-ssd-trimming
[10:49] <cjohnston> thanks pitti!
[11:24] <tseliot> pitti: hi. You seem to be part of the lightdm. Does this mean you get to review merge requests?
[11:25] <pitti> tseliot: I can review simple fixes, but I don't know the overall code; robert mainly added me to fix the apparmor profile
[11:25] <tseliot> pitti: oh, ok. I have a two lines patch but it's a feature
[11:53] <tseliot> stgraber: are you around?
[12:08] <mbait> Hi there! I'd like to backport some package for Precise. I am using 'backportpackage' in a couple with PPA. The problem is the build is failed due to outdated dependencies. Is it possible to backport dependencies as well?
[13:32] <melodie> hi
[13:33] <melodie> I am seeking an information related to the txt.cfg in the isolinux directory, in a Desktop Live. This is related to the name for a remix. If someone has knownledge about it? (I browsed lots of docs on the web and I missed the one detail I need, so far)
[13:57] <sladen> melodie: it's a while I had to poke one;  there are a series of label/menu/title lines;
[13:57] <sladen> melodie: it should be possible to spot the text that you'd like to change, and alter it
[13:57] <LLckfan2> I have an android tablet that I have put youtube app on. When I try to sign into youtubr it says an error occurred. Is there anything I can do to fix this? I did not get the app from Google Play as Google Play does not support my brand of tablet.
[13:58] <melodie> hi sladen
[13:58] <sladen> LLckfan2: Android?  This is #ubuntu-devel.  Ubuntu is a different operating system (though both Linux and Android use the Linux kernel for hardware drivers at the very base layer)
[13:59] <melodie> I have changed just the name "Ubuntu" for the name of my remix, and the next three isos had a little issue: after changing the language to my language, the two first boot stanzas where still in English.
[13:59] <melodie> this is what I try to find about. Where should I look ?
[14:02] <sladen> melodie: is there an 'i18n.cfg', or similiarly named file somewhere around?
[14:02] <melodie> sladen probably, I look
[14:03] <sladen> melodie: also  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization#Modify_installer_behaviour_using_a_Preseed_file
[14:03] <melodie> no there isn't
[14:04] <melodie> should there be one?
[14:05] <brainwash> pitti: I've uploaded the log files now, including dbus-monitor with 99-eavesdrop.conf enabled
[14:05] <melodie> well in the latest lubuntu saucy isolinux there isn't one either
[14:06] <brainwash> pitti: it really looks like some dbus connection issue
[14:06] <sladen> melodie: is  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.10/beta-2/lubuntu-13.10-beta2-desktop-i386.iso  what you are starting with?
[14:06] <melodie> sladen I have already read the link you are pointing me to
[14:07] <melodie> I started with a Ubuntu Mini Remix 12.04 months ago and I often look into Lubuntu and Xubuntu isos to search about information, but I don't use them directly
[14:07] <melodie> so after reading the link you pointed me to, it seems you think I want to customize for one language? This is not the case.
[14:08] <melodie> and I can't build seed files, because I don't use a regular method, just Ubuntu Builder and the command line for things it doesn't do
[14:10] <melodie> Only having "Ubuntu" in the txt.cfg file changed to "My_remix_name" would be interesting right now, and later I will start to work on getting into other details, such as a meta package
[14:11] <melodie> I just don't understand why when I change the name there, 2 over the 5 boot stanzas stay in English.
[14:12] <melodie> this is what I have:
[14:12] <melodie> http://pastebin.fr/29250
[14:12] <melodie> these are the txt files in the isolinux directory
[14:15] <melodie> sladen I wonder if the i18n.cfg was not what is now po4a.cfg ?
[14:15] <melodie> it contains the iso codes for the languages?
[14:18] <sladen> melodie: there is normally base string in a configuration string; and then various translation files which contain the base string; and the translated replacement for each language
[14:18] <sladen> melodie: this are normally .po files, yes; but I'm not sure how it works for syslinux/isolinux
[14:19] <sladen> melodie: pitti or cjwatson may be able to remember off the top of their heads exactly how it is setup
[14:20] <pitti> brainwash: hang on, might it be that most of the people who are reporting this are running not Unity or GNOME, but XFCE or KDE?
[14:20] <sladen> melodie: the translations being in the  /isolinux/NN.cfg
[14:20] <sladen> melodie: the translations being in the  /isolinux/NN.tr
[14:21] <pitti> brainwash: I'm asking because gnome-settings-daemon inhibits logind's own handling of the lid
[14:21] <pitti> brainwash: does this also happen if you run suspend from the menu instead of closing the lid?
[14:21] <brainwash> pitti: I'm running xfce, but I don't use the lid to trigger suspend
[14:22] <brainwash> only menu mostly
[14:22] <brainwash> sometimes via direct dbus call
[14:23] <melodie> sladen ok, but still how come 2 first strings stay untranslated and the three after do... this is bizarre
[14:23] <brainwash> the strange thing is that it only happens occasionally, like 20-25% of all suspend/resume cycles
[14:24] <pitti> brainwash: ok, then it's not that; thanks
[14:25] <sladen> melodie: if you change a string;  but not the base string in a particular locale translation, then it will not match.  Without a match, the translation for that language can't be replaced
[14:25] <brainwash> pitti: and it appears to me that different issues got mixed in the bug report, but maybe they are all related
[14:26] <melodie> sladen ok I see. So until I know how to start from the sources the best I can do is leave it as is
[14:27] <melodie> the NN.tr files are binaries so...
[14:27] <melodie> needs sources and a compiling step :)
[14:27] <sladen> melodie: po4a is "PO for All"
[14:28] <melodie> oh ok
[14:29] <brainwash> pitti: however, if systemd's actions don't get inhibited and the system suspends twice within a small time frame, things might fail also I guess
[14:31] <melodie> sladen do you know if this is what I would need to start from? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux-themes-ubuntu
[14:32] <melodie> or rather https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux ?
[14:33] <cjwatson> melodie: The translations are in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu
[14:34] <cjwatson> It's tedious that this has to be done per-flavour, but necessary in general due to the structure of natural language
[14:35] <cjwatson> Not a real example but compare e.g. "an Ubuntu mirror" with "a Lubuntu mirror" in English
[14:35] <melodie> hi cjwatson
[14:37] <melodie> what is  gfxboot-theme-ubuntu ? I am looking into a syslinux-theme-ubuntu archive from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/syslinux-themes-ubuntu : this is not what you refer to, is that right?
[14:37] <melodie> a package maybe?
[14:37] <cjwatson> It's a source package
[14:37] <melodie> I seek for it, thank you
[14:38] <sladen> melodie: apt-get source gfxboot-theme-ubuntu && cd /gfxboot-theme-ubuntu-*/po
[14:39] <sladen> melodie: in eg. 'fr.po' there is  msgid "^Try Lubuntu without installing" <-> msgstr "^Essayer Lubuntu sans l'installer"
[14:40] <melodie> sladen cjwatson I have the source package for the version I am working on now, I just wonder if there is a howto compile that once the strings changed? :)
[14:41] <melodie> is is just ./configure && make or such?
[14:43] <sladen> melodie: sudo apt-get build-dep gfxboot-theme-ubuntu && debuild  should work
[14:44] <melodie> nice! I'll try that
[14:46] <melodie> in the README it says how to add text, and how to remove text, is that also valid for replacing a string?
[14:47] <slangasek> pitti: ack, thanks
[14:48] <cjwatson> melodie: I usually do those replacements with some sed rune I make up on the spot
[14:49] <melodie> I see :)
[14:54] <melodie> how does the syslinux bootloader know which one of the versions will be booted, as in a NN.po file each flavor is provided?
[14:55] <melodie> should a new block file be added in the po files?
[14:55] <melodie> a new block text*
[14:57] <melodie> that seems to lead to a larger job :)
[14:58] <cjwatson> I generally add one per flavour, yes
[14:58] <cjwatson> The PO files just include all known flavours
[14:58] <cjwatson> And syslinux knows about it because its other configuration files are set up appropriately
[15:00] <melodie> cjwatson ok
[15:00] <melodie> I'll have to learn lots more about all this
[15:00] <melodie> during the coming winter :)
[15:02] <melodie> thank you very much
[15:02] <melodie> and sladen thank you very much also
[15:08] <melodie> I wonder what is still good from that page nowadays and what is not? (ie syslinux.cfg used to contain what txt.cfg does now): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[15:21] <sladen> melodie: a really useful thing would be to keep track of your successes, and failures, and write-up some (more up to date) documentation as you go
[15:28] <melodie> sladen unfortunately I don't have (at least so far) the knowledge for that. I didn't start from Scratch because when I started I just tried head into the doc and when arrived at the interesting page in the doc (something about diverting sysctl) I just got lost, not knowing how to understand what was after: was it to be used literally or adapted, I had no idea. Since then, I use ready to go scripts, the one I find working best for now being Ub
[15:28] <melodie> untu Builder (a gambas gui) with Ubuntu Mini Remix as a start.
[15:28] <melodie> else, I do take notes and put the files used and information on a web space
[15:29] <sladen> melodie: you are acquiring the knowledge.  Write notes as you go, and it will be useful for you, and anyone working with you; but *also* useful for everything afterewards
[15:29] <melodie> I might copy them to bitbucket or github later, for now it's here: http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/
[15:30] <melodie> not too messy, but will need to refine again later :)
[15:30] <tseliot> slangasek: are you available to review/approve an upload (with a small diff) which should fix 2 SRUs?
[15:40] <melodie> sladen I might learn more when I will dive into seeds for the preseed directory, I found a doc and some good pointers on the Edubuntu wiki yesterday. I would have questions about preseeds too. Are they used as well for building the isos as for updating at install time when the option is ticked in the installer?
[15:58] <melodie> thanks for all, bye
[16:11] <tseliot> stgraber: re-ping
[16:12] <stgraber> tseliot: hi
[16:25] <brainwash> pitti: the report is getting flooded with comments once again, just to clarify my comment, the entry is missing, because systemd-shim didn't print it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1184262/comments/58
[16:28] <brainwash> pitti: besides that, is any other log/debug informantion needed to understand the problem and identify the culprit?
[16:45] <tseliot> slangasek: never mind
[18:18] <psusi> slangasek: I'm looking at a bug report by a user saying he has no /dev/.blkid.tab... and I don't see how it *ever* works.  persistent-storage.rules always runs blkid -p, which prevents it from writing out the cache, so how does it ever get created?  Shouldn't that not have a -p there?
[18:35] <dobey> sarnold, jdstrand: hi. do you guys know who would be best to chat with about creating an apparmor profile for tarmac? or more specifically, to prevent external processes spawned by tarmac from doing certain things
[18:37] <sarnold> hi dobey :) I've never heard of 'tarmac' before. What is it? what does it do?
[18:38] <dobey> sarnold: it's a tool for managing branch landing on launchpad
[18:38] <sarnold> dobey: if tarmac uses the usual fork()+exec() method of starting processes, AppArmor's "child" profiles may be suitable: http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/QuickProfileLanguage#Child_profiles
[18:39] <dobey> it uses the python subprocess module; so i presume that's standard enough
[18:41] <sarnold> dobey: you -may- need to add something like /bin/bash ix,  to the tarmac profile if the python subprocess winds up shelling out to system(3) to execute programs; if it builds arguments as arrays and uses execve(2) directly, you may not need the /bin/bash ix, and just use the /path/to/helper Cx, rules
[18:43] <dobey> sarnold: hrmm. does "profile * {}" work for that?
[18:44] <sarnold> dobey: I don't think it would work as you'd hope -- if you want to allow tarmac to execute -anything- but just confine what those "anythings" are allowed to do, it might look something like this:
[18:44] <sarnold> /usr/bin/tarmac {
[18:45] <sarnold>   /usr/bin/* cx -> tarmac_child,
[18:45] <sarnold>   profile tarmac_child {
[18:45] <sarnold>     /path/to/launcpad/branches/** rw,
[18:45] <sarnold>   }
[18:45] <sarnold> }
[18:45] <dobey> sarnold: it needs to run pretty much anything, as what it's doing is building a source tree and running the tests for it; and that can vary infinitely wildly across projects
[18:46] <dobey> hmm
[18:46] <dobey> sarnold: but it has to be a full path like /usr/bin? can it be "* cx -> tarmac_child" ?
[18:47] <sarnold> dobey: so you'd want to add something like /**/ r, /** rm, /** ix, /path/to/allowed/writes** w,
[18:47] <sarnold> dobey: it could be /** cx -> tarmac_child
[18:47] <dobey> ok, maybe i can use apparmor to do this then
[18:48] <sarnold> woo :)
[18:49] <dobey> would rather use apparmor than a complex chroot setup
[18:54] <dobey> sarnold: and /**/tarmac will work to match the tarmac script itself, regardless of the install path?
[18:57] <sarnold> dobey: /**/ will only match directories; you'll also need /** for the files
[18:57] <sarnold> (it's a bit confusing the first few times..)
[18:58] <sarnold> dobey: I've got to run, I'll be back in ~two hours.. I hope this is a good enough start for you to get into some trouble :)
[18:58] <dobey> sarnold: yeah, and there are plenty of existing profiles to look at
[18:58] <dobey> sarnold: thanks. i'll probably ask you to review my profile :)
[18:58] <sarnold> dobey: thanks! :) have fun
[19:49] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, kirkland: Can one of you release testdrive? I think we've got enough fixes to warrant it
[19:49] <Noskcaj> And do either of you have time to help with gtk3 and/or python3 porting?
[19:58] <roaksoax> Noskcaj: saucy just openned a few days ago
[19:58] <roaksoax> there's no immediate need to release until at least we have alpha one
[19:58] <roaksoax> however, i'll be releaswing later on the week
[20:02] <stgraber> s/saucy/trusty/
[20:09] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, makes sense, thanks for the info
[20:11] <roaksoax> s/suacy/trusty
[20:23] <dobey> can i get someone to push rhythmbox-ubuntuone from precise-proposed to -updates? it's been in proposed for almost 5 months with no complaints on the bug report about it. and just noticed the verification tag was still -needed, but changed to -done now.
[20:28] <ScottK> dobey: Done
[20:29] <dobey> thanks ScottK
[20:30] <ScottK> yw.
[20:30] <dobey> ScottK: are you sru team btw? i have another favor to ask if so :)
[20:32] <dobey> there's an ubuntu-sso-client in saucy unapproved queue, which is a critical bug fix, that we'd like to get through asap. i uploaded it on friday, but hasn't gotten reviewed yet
[20:33] <ScottK> I'l take a look and if I'm reasonably comfortable with the diff, I'll accept it.  No promises.
[20:34] <dobey> thanks. it's a small and obvious diff, so i'm confident :)
[20:36] <ScottK> dobey: Accepted.
[20:39] <dobey> ScottK: thanks again :)
[20:39] <ScottK> yw again.
[20:45] <cjwatson> jdstrand: your latest click-apparmor upload doesn't seem to be in lp:click-apparmor
[21:02] <mdz> cjwatson, is google calendar telling the truth, that tech board is supposed to meet now?
[21:03] <cjwatson> mdz: Sounds plausible-ish but I hadn't planned to turn up to future TB meetings
[21:03] <cjwatson> mdz: It's 2100 in the UK if that's any help
[21:04] <mdz> who would know for sure? there's no chair on the wiki, etc.
[21:04] <mdz> oh hi pitti
[21:05] <pitti> hey mdz, how are you?
[21:13] <jdstrand> cjwatson: fixed. you keep pointing this out to me. perhaps I will learn some day...
[21:13] <cjwatson> heh, thanks :)
[21:13] <cjwatson> Of course I only notice when I want to propose a change
[21:18] <mdz> pitti, good good
[21:18] <mdz> pitti, going to be in the US anytime soon?
[21:20] <pitti> mdz: not this year any more
[21:20] <cjwatson> mdz: you going to be at the BAD meeting on Wed?
[21:20] <mdz> cjwatson, didn't know about it, and have plans Wednesday evening
[21:20] <cjwatson> ah, shame
[21:20] <cjwatson> in Oakland this week
[21:21] <mdz> I saw jonathan and asheesh last night though
[21:21] <mdz> I didn't know they were having regular get togethers
[21:22] <sergiusens> cjwatson, hey, do you know of any good location to get python3-requests for precise?
[21:22]  * pitti waves good night
[21:22] <cjwatson> mdz: don't know if this is a regular thing, I only know about it from slangasek
[21:23] <cjwatson> sergiusens: nope, I guess it might be possible to backport it
[21:23] <cjwatson> sergiusens: but I'd say that if dependencies are unavailable on precise then that's a good reason to have bilingual code and run it under Python 2 on precise
[21:23] <mdz> cjwatson, slangasek isn't in the bay area now, is he?
[21:24] <mdz> http://bad.debian.net/ lists August 8th 2012 as an 'upcoming event' :-)
[21:24] <mdz> good night pitti
[21:24] <sergiusens> cjwatson, sounds reasonable
[21:24] <cjwatson> mdz: he's with us in Oakland
[21:24] <mdz> oh, just at the moment
[21:24] <cjwatson> yeah
[21:24] <mdz> not relocated
[21:24] <cjwatson> can't imagine prying him loose from Portland
[21:24] <mdz> yeah
[21:25] <mdz> who's there and how long? anyone interested in meeting up?
[21:25] <cjwatson> UE managers and tech leads
[21:25] <mdz> this week is pretty busy for me but we could probably work something out
[21:25] <cjwatson> a few old-timers, I can ask around
[21:49] <hallyn> slangasek: see edk2 thread titled 'OVMF support for QEMU's PC System Flash' - i could be wrong, but i *think* that gives us what we wanted with being able to persist nvvars changes across qemu starts
[22:09] <paulproteus> mdz: Huh, BAD is on Wednesday?
[22:09] <paulproteus> Intriguing.


[08:55] <rawler> heya ppl.. where's the place to submit contributions to upstart in ubuntu?
[08:55] <rawler> partially service-scripts, and partially event-triggers..
[08:56] <rawler> should I submit to the respective package in launchpad, to upstart in launchpad, or simply start a forum-thread and post it there?
[09:07] <rawler> to clarify a bit, I've written a couple of small triggers that sends events to upstart, notifying when network is enabled..
[09:07] <rawler> when each route comes up, when each interface comes up and so on, an event is sent to upstart..
[09:08] <rawler> on top of that, I've started writing a set of network-service-scripts that uses this info to determine service-status.. I think it might be useful for someone, but I'm not sure where to post?
[09:11] <rawler> bbl