[01:58] <Chaos7Theory> Heyo
[03:23] <Chaos7Theory> I'm wondering something about Muon
[03:25] <Chaos7Theory> Since this is my first time using Kubuntu, what's the 'Full Upgrade' option for and what does it exactly mean in that case by 'Upgrade'?
[03:28] <tsimpson> Chaos7Theory: it means it will allow the upgrade of packages that require new packages to be installed, rather than only ones that don't require any new packages
[03:28] <tsimpson> it's not going to do a release upgrade (to the "next" version of Kubuntu)
[03:29] <Chaos7Theory> Is it not on by default since it adds a lot data?
[03:29] <Chaos7Theory> Since a large amount of packages are labeled 'Upgradeable'
[03:29] <tsimpson> no, it just gives you the option to not have new packages installed
[03:30] <tsimpson> sometimes it may be many packages, sometime none, and sometimes somewhere in-between
[03:31] <Chaos7Theory> I'm also confused since there doesn't seem to be an option for default IME anymore
[05:39] <lor_> hello
[05:39] <lor_> anybody here?
[05:42] <lor_> hello~?
[09:23] <Fuzzles272> is this the kubuntu channel?
[09:24] <InspectorCluseau> read the topic?
[10:36] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[10:37] <contrast> I just did a fresh install of 12.10 and I can't connect to the Internet (using a wired connection). Oddly enough, I can connect to the network and pull up my router's web interface page just fine. Any ideas?
[10:39] <avihay> contrast: try ping <IP_ADDRESS> or going to http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[10:41] <contrast> avihay: That seems to work, it took me to Google...
[10:41] <avihay> yes, that's one of google's  servers
[10:41] <avihay> !dns
[10:42] <avihay> uhh, anyway, you are connected too the internet, you just have some DNS issue
[10:42] <avihay> too->to
[10:44] <avihay> oh, and I don't know how to fix that, or what further info to ask from you, so if anyone knows, feel free to chip in
[10:44] <contrast> avihay: Hmm, alright... At least now I can use Google on the problem machine. :D Thanks!
[10:44] <avihay> well, it will give you results, but you'll still need DNS to access the sites
[10:45] <contrast> Ahh, of course.
[10:46] <avihay> atleast you have a better definition of the problem and now google can help
[10:49] <contrast> Indeed. Thanks again.
[11:06] <liqiao> :-/
[11:07] <liqiao> have human?
[11:12] <blueapple> have human?
[11:13] <blueapple> ....
[11:14] <blueapple> hle
[11:14] <blueapple> hello
[11:15] <blueapple> :-/
[11:57] <etienne__> how do I make my avatar appear in lightdm ?
[11:58] <etienne__> i changed it in systems settings but it didn't change in lightdm
[13:03] <joules> hi, what are the deb-src for 4.9.3?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:16] <joules> ah man
[13:16] <joules> how do I get the public key for quantal-updates
[13:18] <BluesKaj> public key ? ..quantal is not in the ppas , it's in the official repos , or at kubuntu.org
[13:22] <joules> BluesKaj: keyserver.ubuntu.com just times out..could be my firewall.
[13:27] <BluesKaj> why a public key for quantal updates , must be a ppa or ppas , right ?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> joules,^
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> hello, I'm experiencing problems with the digital clock widget on Kubuntu 12.04. eighter if it's in a pannel or directly on the desktop, the right part of the calendar (shown when I click on the clock) is squeseed and the test does not display properly.
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> If I open the calendar widget, the right part (the list of the events) is displayed properly
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> how can I fix this in the Digital clock widget?
[14:26] <tsimpson> if you move the cursor over the top left or top right corners of the widget, you should be able to click and drag to resize it
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: it resises just the clock, not the calendar
[14:28] <tsimpson> I mean once you click on the clock to show the calendar, you should be able to resize that pop-up part
[14:28] <Guest49904> opa
[14:29] <Guest49904> Hello
[14:30] <ovidiu-florin> tsimpson: ow.... found it... thanks
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> there should be some visual aid to be more explicit as how to do that
[14:31] <ovidiu-florin> like those 3 dots that are in the bottom right of every window in KDE
[14:55] <uglyoldbob> i have a strange problem. when the screen goes black, pressing a key causes it to immediately come back, but moving the mouse  takes 5-10 seconds. what could cause this?
[15:47] <JuJuBee> How do I remove the default installed games with 12.10?
[15:49] <thelionroars> search for them in muon package manager and select to remove them
[15:50] <thelionroars> or, use a terminal
[15:50] <JuJuBee> no simple way to remove all in terminal?
[15:50] <thelionroars> sudo apt-cache search name
[15:50] <thelionroars> when you find the package you want to remove:
[15:50] <thelionroars> sudo apt-get remove package
[15:50] <thelionroars> I think you will have to remove each game individually
[15:52] <JuJuBee> OK, thanks
[16:01] <jalcine_> uglyoldbob: That might be a X issue
[17:49] <u19809> hi all ... had to reinstall my laptop. INstalled with 12.10 but now teamviewer7 does not want to start anymore ;( Wine says it couldn't start it but does not give a reason
[17:49] <u19809> Ideas >
[17:49] <u19809> Ideas ?
[17:51] <frankko> how do i take a photo with a webcam?
[17:52] <frankko> u19809: verbose >txtfile and post to a pastebin. Wine is not a main concerin outside the #winehq channel
[17:52] <u19809> ok
[17:53] <DarthFrog> frankko: You can use "kamoso" to take pix with your web cam.
[17:53] <frankko> DarthFrog: Thankyou. i wil try that. I am a CLI user so i do know very little about any gui apps.
[17:54] <DarthFrog> frankko: You shouldn't have any problems.
[17:56] <frankko> what is the fast command of staring a kde window
[17:56] <frankko> seriously i am a CLI guy
[17:57] <frankko> meta+p?
[17:57] <frankko> did that earlier and it printed..
[17:57] <DarthFrog> frankko: If you install yakuake (Yet Another Quake), you can have a console by pressing F12.  Or just press Alt-F2 right now.
[17:58] <frankko> DarthFrog: done
[17:58] <DarthFrog> I love yakuake.  I use it all the time.
[17:58] <frankko> is the file really saved in ~or is it a /temp situation?
[17:59] <frankko> guis confuse me
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Press Alt-F2 for a mini-CLI (AKA krunner).  Either type your command into that window or type "konsole" for a console window.
[17:59] <frankko> gpm+dvtm is a gui, to that i agree but simple and good
[18:00] <frankko> DarthFrog: you are one of the good ones
[18:00] <frankko> thankyou
[18:00] <DarthFrog> frankko: Only by accident. :-)  Thanks.
[18:01] <frankko> i think i will return to the cli though as soon as i have this identity theft thing solved
[18:05]  * datruth hates usb 3.0
[18:05] <datruth> if its not one problem its another on this computer
[18:05] <DarthFrog> datruth:  Why?
[18:05] <DarthFrog> then don't use it.
[18:05] <datruth> DarthFrog: i've just spent most of the night building my system after I am done my usb 3.0 controller goes away
[18:05] <datruth> now my driver isn't even detected
[18:06] <datruth> the only way I know of to get it back to re-install everything all over again
[18:06] <DarthFrog> What motherboard do you have?
[18:06] <DarthFrog> Not that I can help you but I'd just like to know what hardware to avoid.
[18:07] <datruth> DarthFrog: asus g74s
[18:07] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I've always used Asus mobos.  They're generally excellent.
[18:08] <DarthFrog> My current mobo is an Asus M4A with USB 3.0.
[18:17] <datruth> forget asus and the hardware
[18:23] <DarthFrog> Oh?
[18:25]  * datruth packs up his stuff to return
[19:18] <Scunizi> I'm trying to get kmail to sync with my gmail account without success.. I've looked at http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_GMail which has not helped.  Any suggestions?
[20:28] <Cymew> Anyone good with beamers? I have a beamer attached to my machine, on HDMI, but how do I get any output on it? Running the nvidia config thing I can get two screens set up, but nothing shows on on the external display. Any hints?
[20:34] <BluesKaj> Cymew, beamer ?
[20:34] <Cymew> pjojector, whatever you like to call them. I guess it's the same procedure as for any external display ising HDMI
[20:34] <Cymew> if only I could spell
[20:35] <Cymew> "projector"
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Cymew, ok
[20:35] <Cymew> I used disper to get it show up at all in the gui
[20:35] <Cymew> now it's there, how to I get any output on it???
[20:35] <BluesKaj> yes the procedure is the same for any display
[20:36] <BluesKaj> which graphics card , open a terminal , lspci | grep VGA
[20:36] <reagle> Since I moved to 12.10 I always end up with a missfont.log in  my home directory and my consoles are full of fontconfig errors
[20:36] <reagle> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[20:36] <reagle> Any ideas how to fix?
[20:37] <Cymew> BluesKaj: I know it's a GeForce 9600M GT
[20:37] <BluesKaj> reagle, it's a bug , look on launchpad
[20:37] <reagle> If I delete .fonts.conf my fonts look screwy, if I set them in KDE's settings, the file is back
[20:38] <Cymew> odd thing is, on the systems settings panel from KDE, no external display shows up, only in the nvidia-settings app and in disper does it show
[20:38] <reagle> BluesKaj: I've looked but didn't see anything 12.10 specific, pointer?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Cymew, kmenu>systemsettings>system>additional drivers
[20:39] <BluesKaj> reagle, system settings , application appearance
[20:39] <reagle> this gives me nothing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=.fonts.conf+is+deprecated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.
[20:39] <reagle> has_no_package=
[20:40] <BluesKaj> reagle, read above
[20:40] <Cymew> BluesKaj: that path does not exists on my machine
[20:40] <reagle> BluesKaj: yes, I know this is where I configure fonts, and if I do so .fonts.conf comes back with all the warnings.
[20:41] <Cymew> running 10.04.04 and kde 4.4.5
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Cymew, sorry kmenu>applications >system>addtional drivers
[20:42] <Cymew> nope
[20:42] <reagle> searching launchpad for "missfont" doesn't return "bugs related to kubuntu" either
[20:42] <Cymew> I do find the nvidia panel there, though
[20:42] <BluesKaj> reagle, have you added any 3rd party fonts
[20:43] <reagle> yes, MS Core
[20:43] <reagle> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[20:43] <BluesKaj> Cymew, you're looking in settings , not system
[20:44] <BluesKaj> reagle, that could be your problem then
[20:45] <Cymew> no, it's in both places
[20:45] <reagle> wuh? (anything "could be" the problem) Can you point me to the bug report you mentioned?
[20:45] <Cymew> I've upgraded from release 7 to 10.04.04 so much stuff in the menues looks weird
[20:45] <BluesKaj> Cymew, ok , alt+f2 , type jockey
[20:46] <Cymew> But, typing drivers in the search box and it's nowhere to be found
[20:46] <BluesKaj> even 10.04 is kind of dated , Cymew
[20:47] <Cymew> Yeah, I know
[20:47] <BluesKaj> did you try alt+f2 , jockey
[20:47] <Cymew> I like LTS releases and since I have upgraded so many times my system now is kind of wonky. I'd hate to make it wonkier, but maybe it has to be done...
[20:48] <BluesKaj> 12.04 is the lateest LTS
[20:50] <Cymew> I'm thinking of reinstalling with 12.04 and considering these kind of problems...
[20:50] <Cymew> damn, I did not even have jockey installed. wtf?
[20:51] <Cymew> It claims I have the current and recommended version
[20:52] <Cymew> I wonder when jockey wnet missing, I know I have used it before
[20:52] <Cymew> Maybe I do need to reinstall from scratch
[20:53] <Cymew> Thanks for getting me to reinstall jockey! ;)
[20:53] <BluesKaj> ok run this in the terminal , dpkg -l | grep nvidia , that will show the installed driver , Cymew
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-173-modaliases                      173.14.22-0ubuntu11.2                           Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-96-modaliases                       96.43.17-0ubuntu1.1                             Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-common                              0.2.23                                          Find obsolete NVIDIA drivers
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-current                             195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04.3                      NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-current-modaliases                  195.36.24-0ubuntu1~10.04.3                      Modaliases for the NVIDIA binary X.Org driver
[20:54] <Cymew> ii  nvidia-settings                            195.36.08-0ubuntu2                              Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver
[20:54] <Cymew>
[20:54] <FloodBotK1> Cymew: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:55] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411116/
[20:56] <Cymew> quite a few drivers there
[20:57] <yofel> nope, only one: nvidia-current, the rest are support packages
[20:58] <Cymew> If you say so, I never understood what all those were
[20:59] <yofel> what does 'xrandr' say about the display configuration?
[20:59] <BluesKaj> yes , I used the wrong command , you'll have to inustall mesa-utils , then run this command ,  glxinfo | grep OpenGL , the look in the list for OpenGL version string:
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Cymew,^
[21:00] <yofel> wasn't the original question about display configuration?
[21:01] <BluesKaj> he has no video output from the hdmi
[21:01] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411129/
[21:01] <BluesKaj> trying to find the right driver
[21:01] <Cymew> looks like it's in use, no?
[21:01] <yofel> the driver looks fine, I would be more interested whether the hdmi output is even turned on
[21:02] <Cymew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1411130/ this is the output from xrandr, only onme screen there, hmmm.
[21:02] <yofel> ... or recognised
[21:03] <yofel> meh, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
[21:06] <Cymew> ouch! It's 2700 lines long...
[21:06] <Cymew> I'm pretty sure my xorc.conf is pretty messed up by now....
[21:06] <Cymew> I don't eevn know how to get that into a paste
[21:08] <Cymew> That nvidia tool had a button for saving the xorg.conf and since I had to restart the server (according to that tool) I used it to save a new one. Seesm like it was a bad idea.
[21:08] <yofel> install pastebinit, then just run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[21:10] <Cymew> http://pastebin.com/emE89qmw
[21:10] <Cymew> interesting tool
[21:13] <yofel> urgh, the EDID information isn't read right so it can't figure out a usable resolution for the beamer. (If I understand the log right)
[21:14]  * yofel wonders what the chances are that a driver update might break more than it fixes...
[21:15]  * Cymew puts on his conservative 10.04.04 hat and guesses breakage ahead
[21:16] <yofel> heh, well, I'm not sure how much the 304.64 driver got testing on 10.04, but there are packages in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates if you want to risk it
[21:16] <Cymew> I gather you have to have 12.04 repos to even get a newer driver, considering jockey claims I have the latest, right?
[21:16] <yofel> 195 -> 304 is a bit of a drastic jump
[21:16] <Cymew> oh, you were quicker than me
[21:16] <Cymew> yeah, it sounds a but much
[21:17] <yofel> nah, the PPA provides updates even for 10.04
[21:17] <Cymew> really? Interesting
[21:17] <yofel> read the ppa description, that has instructions on how to revert the update if necessary
[21:18] <Cymew> You're right it does have updates even for 10.04
[21:19] <Cymew> what the heck is EDID info anyway? Is it something the device serves to the xorg server, and they have to be on the same page about what they can do to each other?
[21:20] <yofel> pretty much: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data
[21:23] <Cymew> If I read that right, it means the driver doesn't know what it needs to know. Hmm. There's no list of what deviced are supported by the driver somewhere, is there? Kind of a bad idea to upgrade and all that and then find it is not a supported device anyway...
[21:25] <yofel> Cymew: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-304.64-driver.html -> supported products
[21:26] <Cymew> Thanks
[21:26] <Cymew> Looks like it'
[21:26] <Cymew> s ok
[21:26] <Cymew> oops
[21:26] <FloodBotK1> Cymew: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:29] <Cymew> So if I upgrade and it is the source of the EDID problem, how am I supposed to get output on the external device? Do I have to run xrandr or disper or something like that, or is it just goinf to show up on the Display tab in system settings after that?
[21:30] <yofel> I can't quite remember how things were on 10.04, I would rather try nvidia-settings. But if it shows up in xrandr, it'll show up in system settings as well (same interface)
[21:31] <Cymew> I thnink I'll take a moment to think if I will do the upgrade or if I should try to start with a fresh xorg.conf and see when the problems appear.
[21:32] <Cymew> I'm pretty sure me clicking around in the nvidia panel screwed some things up
[21:33] <Cymew> Many thanks to yofel and BluesKaj for all the help debugging the issue. I need some sleep on this as well.
[21:33] <yofel> sure, good luck
[21:33] <Cymew> Really appreciated
[21:44] <robtygart> I have a question about rc.local http://paste.kde.org/619796/
[21:44] <robtygart> on the end do I need to change the 0 to a 1 ?
[22:17] <tsimpson> robtygart: 0 means the script was successful, anything else means there was an error. so you don't want to change it
[22:27] <robtygart> tsimpson: Thanks! From what I did, was that the correct way to launch rc.local
[22:27] <robtygart> sudo gedit /ect/rc.local
[22:28] <tsimpson> I wouldn't use sudo with a GUI app
[22:29] <robtygart> how would you launch rc.local?
[22:30] <tsimpson> I'd edit it with kdesudo kate /etc/rc.local, or gksudo gedit /etc/rc.local
[22:30] <akoma1s> robtygart: open a konsole window, then run sudoedit /etc/rc.local
[22:30] <tsimpson> well, only the former as I don't have gedit or gksudo
[22:31] <akoma1s> running gui apps as root is bad, no matter the gui toolkit
[22:32] <robtygart> akoma1s: that just gives me a black edit screen
[22:33] <akoma1s> what does 'ls -ld /etc/rc.local' return?
[22:34] <robtygart> akoma1s: rob@mobile:~$ ls -ld /etc/rc.local
[22:34] <robtygart> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 317 Oct 30 18:02 /etc/rc.local
[22:35] <tsimpson> you should know that xset requires DISPLAY to be set
[22:37] <akoma1s> robtygart: perhaps a typo? works right here, launching nano as root and showing the contents of /etc/rc.local
[22:40] <robtygart> akoma1s: thanks, still did not work.
[22:40] <robtygart> thats ok, I think I got it.
[22:41] <akoma1s> robtygart: can you try 'sudo nano /etc/rc.local'
[22:42] <robtygart> akoma1s: Yes! That did it.
[22:42] <robtygart> Thank you!
[22:42] <akoma1s> anytime :)


[05:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[10:03] <mandem0110> Morning...
[17:31] <oerheks> "Ubuntu is way too efficient and I don't know what to do with all this RAM I have" 🤣
[17:31] <oerheks> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1b4m95t/ubuntu_is_way_too_efficient_and_i_dont_know_what/
[17:34] <JanC> obviously they aren't running a browser on it?
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> I have 64GB on my laptop. Even while editing audio or video my swap doesn't get touched.
[18:08] <JanC> I think the problem is mostly long-running processes (like Gnome Shell or a web browser) & memory fragmentation
[18:10] <JanC> and maybe some leaked memory too
[19:08] <Menzador> Eickmeyer: Ubuntu is good... *too* good
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> XD
[23:00] <Your_Dog> I have alot of tabs open on firefox. If i want to make firefox run like 10gb+ or something, I just disable Auto Tab Discard
[23:00] <Your_Dog> that should easily solve his problem :P
[23:10] <oerheks> even then, 2 gb/24 gb ( 8+8+4+4) used
[23:10] <oerheks> lolz
[23:33] <JanC> also, just try to keep your browser running for a month or so


[13:30] <mterry> tsdgeos, "patches in the bug tracker have an history of not being seen"  :(
[13:30] <mterry> tsdgeos, thanks for tip.  You say "add some reviewers" -- do I have to know names?
[13:32] <tsdgeos> mterry: git log/blame
[13:32] <mterry> tsdgeos, heh fair
[13:32] <mterry> tsdgeos, where do I push my changes to to create a new review ticket?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> git push ssh://YOUR_GERRIT_USER@codereview.qt-project.org:29418/qt/qtdeclarative HEAD:refs/for/BRANCH
[13:33] <tsdgeos> BRANCH being 5.6 probably
[13:33] <tsdgeos> i don't think they'll accept any fix for 5.5 atm
[13:33] <mterry> tsdgeos, makes sense.  OK thanks!
[13:33] <mterry> tsdgeos, see!  This is what I meant about being deep into Qt  :)
[13:38] <mterry> tsdgeos, does anyone have push rights?
[13:38] <tsdgeos> mterry: "yes"
[13:38] <tsdgeos> that only creates a merge request
[13:39] <tsdgeos> not push to the branch itself
[13:39] <mterry> tsdgeos, but I presumably don't have ssh rights, in order to grab the commit-msg hook?   Something like: scp -p -P 29418 codereview.qt-project.org:hooks/commit-msg .git/hooks/
[13:39] <mterry> I guess I can find a copy on my disk from some other gerrit instance
[13:40] <tsdgeos> mterry: you setup https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/settings/ssh-keys ?
[13:41] <mterry> tsdgeos, yes apparently in the past I did
[13:41] <tsdgeos> then the scp should work
[13:41] <tsdgeos> if the correct key is getting used for that server
[13:41] <mterry> humph.  I get permission denied
[13:41] <tsdgeos> otherwise you may not get to push either i guess
[13:41] <mterry> the key in my account matches my id_rsa.pub
[13:42] <tsdgeos> mterry: did you also agree to the agreement in https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/settings/agreements ?
[13:42] <mterry> tsdgeos, "Verified	Corporate	Corporate contributor agreement"
[13:43] <tsdgeos> looks good
[13:43] <tsdgeos> then no idea
[13:44] <tsdgeos> i can give you the hook if you want
[13:44] <mterry> tsdgeos, but no good if I can't push either.  Is there gerrit documentation so I can go over the steps I need to do?
[13:45] <tsdgeos> mterry: https://wiki.qt.io/Setting_up_Gerrit
[13:55] <davmor2> mterry: wow it has two Corporates in there that is a very Corporate Corporation then :)
[13:56] <mterry> davmor2, spared no expense
[14:07] <mterry> tsdgeos, ok well figured out commit-msg I guess (by downloading separately).  But still hit the push "permission denied" problem.  According to wiki too, I seem to have everything in order
[14:07] <tsdgeos> i'd say it's the key
[14:07] <tsdgeos> try stracing to make sure the proper key is being tried
[14:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, aha!
[14:08] <tsdgeos> or i guess there's some SSH envvar that will tell you that too
[14:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, I figured it out.  it was the key.  I was tricked
[14:08] <mterry> tsdgeos, https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/147556/
[14:09] <mterry> tsdgeos, so it's not rude to just volunteer people to review this?
[14:10] <tsdgeos> mterry: it's how it works
[14:10] <tsdgeos> otherwise people won't really have a look at it
[14:20] <mterry> tsdgeos, another gerrit question: if I make a change, how do I get it to update my ongoing review?
[14:21] <tsdgeos> mterry: git commit -a --amend
[14:21] <tsdgeos> basically make it be the same thing
[14:21] <tsdgeos> and then push again
[14:21] <tsdgeos> the change-id thing will make it update
[14:23] <tsdgeos> mterry: did i make sense?
[14:24] <tsdgeos> i guess i did since you reuploaded the change :D
[15:28] <mterry> tedg, your symbols file is out of date again
[15:30] <tedg> :-(
[15:30] <tedg> Oh, because I added the find and valid functions.
[15:37] <tedg> mterry: Fixed, also bregma says there are lttng building issues on armhf
[15:37] <mterry> tedg, I haven't noticed failures when building on arm
[15:39] <mterry> dednick, your turn
[15:40] <tedg> mterry: I assume that's because you live somewhere warmer than bregma and he's using build failures to warm his house.
[15:40] <mterry> :)
[15:58] <faenil> Saviq: fresh Vivid setup on LAPTOP, added overlay PPA, then installed unity8-desktop-session-mir
[15:58] <faenil> unity8 doesn't boot, turns out mir-client-platform-mesa3 is not installed
[15:58] <faenil> and neither is mir-platform-graphics-mesa-km7
[16:07] <faenil> also missing mir-platform-input-evdev4
[16:13] <greyback_> faenil: I guess the ubuntu8-desktop-session-mir metapackage should depend on those
[16:13] <faenil> greyback_: I agree
[16:13] <faenil> greyback_: still can't get unity8 to boot on vivid+overlay, even after installing those
[16:13] <faenil> usc now runs
[16:13] <faenil> unity8-dash says it can't connect to mir server
[16:17] <greyback_> faenil: does unity8 start?
[16:17] <faenil> greyback_: yeah "using nested cursor" is the last line
[16:17] <faenil> using kms7, evdev4, mesa-kms 0.18.1
[16:17] <greyback_> faenil: can you move the cursor? Does log-in work?
[16:18] <faenil> greyback_: yes I can move the cursor, just no UI
[16:18] <faenil> no unity8 login
[16:18] <greyback_> faenil: can you pastebin the whole unity8.log please?
[16:20] <tsdgeos> faenil: can you also gdb attach to unity8 and past the trace?
[16:21] <faenil> one thing at a time :D
[16:21] <faenil> I can't finish debugging something that I find other bugs, it's a recursive bitch XD
[16:21] <flux__> lol(lol)
[16:24] <faenil> XD
[16:26] <faenil> greyback_: tsdgeos unity8 is not running :|
[16:26] <faenil> crashed, though I can move cursor
[16:26] <greyback_> faenil: USC drawing the cursor
[16:26] <faenil> let's see if apport-cli can help
[16:27] <faenil> greyback_: ah ok
[16:33] <faenil> tsdgeos: mmm crash has a not very useful bt, except last call is XGetXCBConnection
[16:33] <faenil> which could still be a nice hint
[16:33] <tsdgeos> faenil: yeah wrong qpa
[16:34] <faenil> tsdgeos: missing config pkg?
[16:34] <tsdgeos> faenil: no idea, why are you trying vivid+unity8-desktop?
[16:34] <tsdgeos> is that a config we care about?
[16:34] <faenil> to debug text rendering issues
[16:34] <faenil> we have issues on xenial
[16:35] <tsdgeos> then fix xenial :)
[16:35] <faenil> so I was setting up vivid to see if it's a regression
[16:35] <faenil> tsdgeos: you fix it? :)
[16:35] <faenil> tsdgeos: we're trying to understand what's wrong...
[16:35] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:37] <tsdgeos> faenil: just make sure unity8 is using the correct qpa
[16:37] <tsdgeos> you can probably just force it somewhere
[16:37] <faenil> tsdgeos: sounds like a workaround :)
[16:37] <tsdgeos> faenil: you're just tryuing to see the rendering, aren't you?
[16:38] <faenil> who sets the QPA usually? it's not in unity8.conf is it?
[16:38] <tsdgeos> why would you care it's a workaround?
[16:38] <faenil> tsdgeos: yeah, well, if we fix it for everyone, that's even better isn't it :D
[16:38] <tsdgeos> faenil: as said, i don't think we care for the vivid+unity8-desktop scenario
[16:38] <tsdgeos> i can be wrong though
[16:38] <faenil> okay
[16:42] <Saviq> faenil, if unity8 stuck, might be the gst clutter thing again
[16:42] <Saviq> bug #1525285
[16:42] <faenil> Saviq: not stuck, crashes
[16:43] <Saviq> faenil, ah, that's "easier" ;P
[16:44] <faenil> org.gnome.ScreenSaver and org.freedesktop.Notifications say they can't connect to Mir
[16:46] <faenil> Saviq: do you know who's supposed to set the QPA plugin
[16:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: he's on vivid, the clutter thing is xenial only? or both?
[16:46] <faenil> vivid+ overlay ppa
[16:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, never tried on vivid
[16:48] <faenil> tsdgeos: thanks for picking up the "crash on logout" bug
[16:49] <tsdgeos> faenil: was just some ldd'ing
[16:49] <faenil> tsdgeos: I reported already who was using what
[16:49] <faenil> they just didn't believe me :D
[16:50] <faenil> After inspection with ldd, I found out that
[16:50] <faenil> - unity8 doesn't explicitly load libprotobuf
[16:50] <faenil> - /usr/bin/telephony-service* (-handler, -indicator, -approver) all link to libprotobuf.so.9
[16:50] <faenil> maybe they'll believe you :D
[16:51] <tsdgeos> yeah well you missed the important one
[16:51] <faenil> telephony-service without any suffix? alright...
[16:52] <tsdgeos> libtelephonyservice-qml.so
[16:52] <tsdgeos> i.e. not an app but a plugin we load
[16:52] <tsdgeos> i probably should write that in the bug somewhere
[16:52] <faenil> but it's loaded through telephony-service isn't it?
[16:52] <tsdgeos> n
[16:52] <tsdgeos> o
[16:52] <tsdgeos> it's loaded though import Ubuntu.Telephony 0.1
[16:52] <faenil> telephony-service (though libphonenumber) uses libprotobuf
[16:53] <faenil> alright
[16:53] <faenil> then I misunderstood that
[16:53] <bregma> here's a quickie:  what's the best way to force the Unity 8 scaling factor on my desktop?  I've been forcing GRID_UNIT_PX in unity.desktop, but is there a better way?
[16:53] <faenil> then what ldd option did you use? or did you recursively ldd the so loaded by unity8?
[16:53] <Saviq> bregma, /etc/environment, really
[16:54] <tsdgeos> faenil: basically yeah
[16:54] <faenil> ok
[16:55] <faenil> tsdgeos: I added "initctl set-env --global QT_QPA_PLATFORM=ubuntumirclient" to unity8.conf, no joy
[16:56] <tsdgeos> faenil: i may be wrong, but i think you may need mirserver there
[16:56] <faenil> tsdgeos: how does usc run without it?
[16:57] <tsdgeos> faenil: no idea, you're really talking to the one that has less ideas about this whole stuff
[16:57] <tsdgeos>  :D
[16:57] <faenil> libmirserver36 already at the latest version
[16:57] <faenil> tsdgeos: hehe alright :D sorry for bothering then! :)
[16:57] <faenil> I'll resume pestering my dear greyback_ then :D
[16:57] <faenil> he doesn't mind
[16:57] <faenil> :D
[16:58] <greyback_> faenil: let's start at the top, unity8 log please
[16:59] <faenil> greyback_: yessir, rebooting already ;)
[16:59] <faenil> although it only shows "loading module" blablabla
[16:59] <faenil> and then "using nested cursor"
[17:00] <faenil> greyback_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14680527/
[17:01] <faenil> Saviq: do you want me to create a bug about the missing dependencies?
[17:01] <greyback_> faenil: Saviq travelling atm. I think you should
[17:01] <Saviq> nope
[17:01] <Saviq> faenil, yes please, we need to find out if unity8-desktop-session-mir is the right place, though
[17:02] <faenil> Saviq: okay, I'll report it as desktop-session-mir and then we'll go from there
[17:02] <greyback_> faenil: ok, that implies mir at fault.
[17:02] <faenil> greyback_: always your fault, I knew it
[17:02] <greyback_> faenil: I'm not mir ;) Can you attach gdb and see where the crash is?
[17:03] <faenil> greyback_: no time, unity8 dies before I can attach
[17:03] <greyback_> faenil: I usually do "sudo gdb -p `pidof unity8`"
[17:03] <greyback_> ok, then need manual launch.
[17:03] <greyback_> DESKTOP_SESSION=unity8-mir \
[17:03] <greyback_> MIR_SOCKET=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/mir_socket \
[17:03] <greyback_> MIR_SERVER_PROMPT_FILE=1 \
[17:03] <greyback_> MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET=/run/lightdm-mir-0 \
[17:03] <greyback_> MIR_SERVER_FILE=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/mir_socket \
[17:04] <greyback_> MIR_SERVER_NAME=session-0 \
[17:04] <greyback_> UNITY_INDICATOR_PROFILE=desktop \
[17:04] <greyback_> QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver  /usr/bin/unity8
[17:04] <greyback_> oops, sorry
[17:04] <greyback_> faenil: first, do "stop unity8" to stop it relaunching continually
[17:04] <faenil> it doesn't seem to be relaunching
[17:04] <greyback_> faenil: then, run that command, pasted here again: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14680565/
[17:04] <greyback_> upstart might have given up on it
[17:05] <faenil> ok, can I do that from unity7? or do I need tty?
[17:05] <greyback_> faenil: should work from unity7
[17:05] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/qtmir/use-qstandardpaths-cache/+merge/282394/comments/721971
[17:05] <greyback_> faenil: as long as usc running
[17:11] <faenil> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1538659
[17:11] <Saviq> faenil, thx
[17:11] <faenil> Saviq: just noticed the version of desktop-sessio-mir is really old
[17:12] <faenil> greyback_: and do I need special args to run usc?
[17:12] <faenil> ok, I'll just do from tty
[17:13] <greyback_> faenil: yeah. I think you need this: /usr/sbin/unity-system-compositor --disable-inactivity-policy=true --on-fatal-error-abort --file /run/lightdm-mir-0 --from-dm-fd 12 --to-dm-fd 21 --vt 8 --enable-hardware-cursor=true
[17:14] <greyback_> faenil: but that can depend on the hardware you've got. You might be better off letting lightdm execute it for you
[17:14] <mterry> tedg, supported orientations parsing isn't quite right
[17:14] <faenil> yeah
[17:14] <faenil> I'll just copy
[17:14] <faenil> your cmd
[17:14] <greyback_> faenil: typically in this situation, I let unity8 crash, then "stop unity8" and then run the unity8 command I gave you above
[17:15] <mterry> tedg, if the value is empty, we should return "all".  Only if there's exactly one string and it's "primary" should we treat the orientation as primary (which I'm guessing is what none of the flags being set implies)
[17:15] <faenil> ok, yeah I should have just put it in a file
[17:16] <greyback_> dednick: hey, have pushed changes to lp:~unity-team/qtubuntu/screen-info/ - I hope it'll make your automatic visibility hack easier (UbuntuWindow has its own formFactor property)
[17:18] <faenil> greyback_: cannot open display
[17:18] <faenil> (unity8:3689) Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[17:18] <greyback_> faenil: is there more output that just that?
[17:19] <faenil> nope
[17:19] <faenil> greyback_: sorry, as in, no other error
[17:19] <greyback_> faenil: QT_QPA_PLATFORM=mirserver definitely set?
[17:19] <faenil> I have Found driver mesa-x11, found mesa-kms, Mir server created
[17:19] <faenil> before that
[17:20] <faenil> I'm doing "source cmd" where cmd is a file with a copypaste of your pastebin
[17:20] <greyback_> faenil: is "qtmir-desktop" installed?
[17:20] <faenil> so it should be correct
[17:20] <faenil> yes
[17:20] <greyback_> faenil: please run previous with QT_DEBUG_PLUGINS=1 and look for it trying to load "mirserver"
[17:21] <greyback_> if in a VT, you'll need to pipe into a file
[17:21] <faenil> oki
[17:21] <dednick> greyback_: ta. i'll take a look
[17:22] <greyback_> dednick: FYI I don't anticipate any more major changes to that branch now
[17:23] <faenil> greyback_: loaded library libqpa-mirserver, then unload succeeded on the same file
[17:23] <faenil> (grep)
[17:24] <greyback_> faenil: it usually says why it unloaded it
[17:24] <faenil> greyback_: there's cannot open display before it unloads
[17:24] <tedg> mterry: K, actually looking at those tests now. Do you think there should be an explicit primary?
[17:25] <tedg> mterry: Or I guess we could do a member function that was primary() that checked the null.
[17:25] <mterry> tedg, I don't think we *need* one -- primary should only be used when no other is set.  So it's a reasonable fallback if none are set
[17:25] <greyback_> faenil: hmmm. Could you please do: "unset QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME"
[17:26] <greyback_> faenil: the appmenu-qt5 plugin could be to blame. It is responsible for exporting menus over dbus, but does assume X11 is there. Might explain your error
[17:26] <faenil> greyback_: went further this time...blabla loading module, found drivers--- ERROR: QMirServer  ;or faoòed tp start
[17:26] <greyback_> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=appmenu-qt5 <- definitely caused me trouble in the past.
[17:26] <faenil> oops
[17:26] <faenil> Mir failed to start
[17:27] <faenil> ERROR: QMirServer - Mir failed to start
[17:27] <greyback_> any reason why printed above?
[17:27] <faenil> that's after unsetting that envvar
[17:27] <faenil> nope
[17:27] <greyback_> ok, good. that env var a problem, please elave it unset
[17:27] <faenil> just "loaded module blalba, found driver blabla, Selected driver mesa-kms, then ERROR"
[17:28] <greyback_> unusual
[17:28] <greyback_> mir usually says why it failed to start
[17:29] <faenil> can give you the log, let me reboot
[17:29] <faenil> isn't there anything to create pastebins from tty? :D
[17:29] <greyback_> faenil: can you remove the appmenu-qt5 package before you do?
[17:30] <faenil> greyback_: ok
[17:30] <greyback_> faenil: probably, but working in a VT is a pain. I use second machine to SSH into problem machine
[17:30] <faenil> hehe
[17:30] <faenil> yeah I should do the same
[17:31] <dednick> try setting "DISPLAY= "
[17:31] <dednick> as an env var in command line
[17:32] <faenil> greyback_: pastebin 14680756
[17:32] <faenil> dednick: will try
[17:33] <dednick> meh. it's not complaining about display anymore. so probably not
[17:33] <dednick> faenil: does it take about 10 seconds to give that error?
[17:33] <faenil> dednick: yep
[17:34] <greyback_> faenil: when you run unity8, try switching to the VT USC is on
[17:34] <dednick> it's possibly mir timing out waiting for random bits. try moving your mouse around/keyboard mashing while starting.
[17:35] <greyback_> when USC not on the active VT, I suspect it hangs and refuses to allow new clients (like u8 here) to connect
[17:36] <faenil> greyback_: tried
[17:36] <faenil> greyback_: segfault now
[17:37] <bregma> mterry, if I install your use-ual-info branch, Unity 8 won't start (it appears to terminate with "what():  AppID is empty")
[17:37] <dednick> mterry, josharenson ^ you had this issue?
[17:37] <faenil> I have 10 secs to gdb attach should be doable
[17:37] <faenil> :D
[17:37] <mterry> bregma, dednick: make sure you have the latest of both use-ual-info and tedg's app-object branch -- they're moving targets
[17:37] <greyback_> faenil: ok. Do you really want to spend time investigating?
[17:38] <faenil> greyback_: I have 15mins left, I'll give it that much
[17:38] <greyback_> ok
[17:38] <bregma> mterry, build both from a fresh checkout within the last 3 hours
[17:38] <dednick> mterry: huh?
[17:39] <faenil> dednick: tried DISPLAY= , no change
[17:39] <bregma> app-object is fine, as long as LXD is installed (?!?)
[17:39] <mterry> bregma, my statement stands  :)  tedg changed API recently and I updated to match this morning, I'm not sure when exactly you grabbed it
[17:39] <mterry> dednick, thought you were talking about the other statement above you
[17:39] <bregma> mterry, I grabbed it at 09:46 EST
[17:39] <mterry> bregma, grab again is what I'm saying
[17:39] <dednick> mterry: unity8 stopping because of "QMirServer - Mir failed to start"
[17:40] <dednick> mterry: you and josharenson were getting it at sprint.
[17:40] <dednick> something to do with random data?
[17:40] <mterry> dednick, yes we saw that at the sprint...  josharenson may remember how to get out of it
[17:40] <mterry> dednick, oh we did hit that issue...  yes we were seeing that error when that happened
[17:40] <bregma> mterry, dednick, that problem can be worked around by generating enough entropy before logging in
[17:40] <mterry> dednick, move your mouse around during boot
[17:40] <josharenson> dednick: mterry: I don't remember getting that issue.. I remember display id being empty
[17:40] <dednick> was only on boot?
[17:41] <mterry> josharenson, this error came up due to internal timeouts (30s)
[17:41] <josharenson> dednick: Yes, but display id and app id would be different things
[17:41] <flux__> faenil, apt-get install pastebinit
[17:41] <mterry> dednick, we only saw it on boot, but just because we were booting a lot.   Could happen anytime
[17:41] <josharenson> ah, I actually caught up reading...
[17:42] <dednick> faenil: you tried moving mouse around when starting?
[17:42] <faenil> dednick: yep
[17:42] <faenil> flux__: thanks!
[17:42] <faenil> greyback_: mm I attached to unity8, but when I "continue" I get get thread exits
[17:43] <faenil> no segfaults..
[17:43] <faenil> could it be something else segfaulting?
[17:43] <dednick> erm. could be something to do with u8 not finding the usc socket.
[17:43] <greyback_> faenil: hard to say without being able to try myself
[17:43] <greyback_> dednick: mir usually reports an error in that case
[17:44] <faenil> well, otherwise gdb would trap the segfault
[17:44] <faenil> and it doesn't, so it's not unity8
[17:44] <greyback_> faenil: does /run/lightdm-mir-0 exist?
[17:44] <greyback_> that USC's socket that unity8 is trying to connect to
[17:45] <faenil> yup, it's there
[17:45] <dednick> i got to run.
[17:45] <greyback_> faenil: it may be that since mir fails to start in 10 seconds, qtmir shuts everything down cleanly
[17:45] <faenil> cleanly with a segfault :D
[17:45] <josharenson> Ah yes, we only hit the entropy issue because we changed that timeout
[17:45] <dednick> greyback_: yeah, that is where the error comes from.
[17:46] <greyback_> faenil: I've also noticed that gdb can delay mir startup so much 10 seconds is not enough
[17:46] <dednick> i saw the code a few days ago
[17:47] <faenil> Unity8's bt is showing MirServerThread::waitForMirStartup
[17:47] <faenil> (before I type "continue")
[17:47] <greyback_> "t a a bt" please
[17:47] <dednick> it's not crashing. get the full thread trace
[17:47] <faenil> that's thread 1
[17:47] <faenil> yeah, it's not crashing yet at this point
[17:47] <greyback_> faenil: thread 1 is waiting for a mir thread
[17:48] <greyback_> I want to know what all threads are doing
[17:48] <dednick> "gdb$ thread apply all bt"
[17:48]  * dednick out.
[17:48] <greyback_> o/
[17:48] <faenil> there's a mir_connect_sync
[17:49] <faenil> then start_thread, another start_thread
[17:49] <faenil> a poll
[17:49] <faenil> and that waitForMirStartup
[17:49] <faenil> the one with mir_connect_sync is on a cond_wait
[17:50] <faenil> the other 2 start_thread I don't know, missing debug info of liblttng-ust
[17:50] <faenil> 3 start_thread actually
[17:50] <faenil> one from libmircommon, but again missing dbg info
[17:50] <faenil> I'll have to install symbols first
[17:50] <greyback_> mir_connect_sync would be the cluprit
[17:51] <faenil> the last lines there are cond_wait <-- condition_variable::wait <-- ?? in libmirclient <-- mir_connect_sync
[17:51] <greyback_> faenil: I think you should try from a second machine, I suspect VT launching might be hurting you.
[17:52] <greyback_> faenil: yeah, that command should be super-fast, not blocking
[17:52] <faenil> ok
[17:52] <greyback_> that is unity8 trying to connect to USC
[17:52] <greyback_> some reason that's blocking, as if USC not responding
[17:55] <faenil> greyback_: segfault in a couple of secs
[17:55] <faenil> (machine is on USC VT)
[17:57] <greyback_> faenil: I presume because of qtmir timing out aiting for mir server
[17:57] <greyback_> waiting
[17:57] <greyback_> so need to see why USC not accepting unity8's connection
[17:58] <greyback_> can you watch /var/log/lightdm/unity-system-compositor.log - it should print when a client tries to connect & disconnect
[17:58] <faenil> sure
[17:59] <faenil> Opening session session-0
[17:59] <faenil> Closing session session-0
[17:59] <faenil> that's what happens
[18:01] <faenil> greyback_: ps my laptop is on vivid + overlay ppa as well, and it can run unity8
[18:01] <faenil> so it's not "impossible" :D
[18:01] <greyback_> faenil: curious. Perhaps I've a wrong MIR_SERVER_NAME set
[18:02] <greyback_> faenil: that env var is how USC identifies clients who connect to it. A poor way of ensuring only unity8 connects to it, by USC only allowing a session with a particular name
[18:02] <greyback_> "session-0" used to work
[18:02] <faenil> I see..
[18:03] <faenil> greyback_: Opening session session-0
[18:03] <greyback_> right
[18:03] <faenil> I have the same on my working laptop
[18:03] <greyback_> ok, so that seems ok
[18:03] <faenil> so it should be fine
[18:04]  * greyback_ scratches head
[18:04] <greyback_> I'm not really sure what's wrong so
[18:05] <faenil> I installed it on my laptop using ubuntu-desktop-next
[18:05] <faenil> which is outdated
[18:05] <faenil> but maybe it has some key pkg whcih I'm missing?
[18:09] <faenil> greyback_: Jan 27 18:05:57 usertesting-Vostro-3550 kernel: MirServerThread[1946]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0049fbb6e7 sp 00007f0040c91558 error 4 in libX11-xcb.so.1.0.0[7f0049fbb000+1
[18:10] <greyback_> faenil: we should never see X11. So check QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME is definitely unset (or appmenu-qt5 removed) and try to get a backtrace which might tell us where it comes from
[18:11] <greyback_> but that's a different complaint to above
[18:11] <faenil> it's a segfault
[18:12] <greyback_> sure, but you can get segfault in many different ways
[18:12] <greyback_> can only fix one at a time
[18:13] <faenil> heh :
[18:13] <faenil> :)
[18:14] <faenil> I unset the var
[18:14] <faenil> but now it says /run/user/1000/mir-socket doesn't exist
[18:15] <faenil> ah nvm
[18:15] <faenil> bash error
[18:16] <faenil> greyback_: still same segfault as above
[18:16] <faenil> that env var is unset
[18:17] <greyback_> faenil: backtrace will help show why
[18:18] <faenil> greyback_: right I haven't tried again since using ssh
[18:20] <faenil> greyback_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14681213/
[18:21] <faenil> good I get the segfault in gdb now \o/
[18:21] <faenil> let me grab bt
[18:21] <greyback_> faenil: yay!
[18:21] <faenil> nooooooo ssh dropped
[18:21] <faenil> :'(
[18:22] <faenil> ok back
[18:22] <faenil> phew
[18:22] <greyback_> faenil: one tip, if you get a SIGILL while starting a mir server (like unity8, it's normal. To skip, do "handle SIGILL nostop"
[18:22] <faenil> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14681229/
[18:22] <faenil> greyback_: ok, thanks
[18:23] <greyback_> hmm, so it's via EGL
[18:23] <faenil> I used to "kill -SIGCONT unity8" :)
[18:23] <faenil> to make unity8 boot
[18:23] <greyback_> ok, that means the version of MESA installed on your machine is missing mir specific patches
[18:24] <faenil>   Installed: 10.5.9-2ubuntu1~vivid2
[18:24] <greyback_> faenil: possible the mir patches are not in vivid+o at all
[18:25] <greyback_> you'd need to ask the mir guys
[18:25] <faenil> greyback_: how comes it runs on my laptop then...
[18:25] <greyback_> dunno
[18:26] <faenil> greyback_: my laptop has the same version
[18:26] <greyback_> faenil: can you set "EGL_PLATFORM=mir EGL_LOG_LEVEL=debug" and try unity8 once more
[18:26] <greyback_> we're getting into territory where I'm not an expert, you'd need mir team to help here
[18:27] <faenil> greyback_: UI! \o/
[18:27] <faenil> omg, phone wizard UI, alright...better than nothing :D
[18:28] <faenil> your phone is now ready to use!
[18:28] <greyback_> faenil: ok, so seems EGL is unable to correctly guess you want the "mir" platform on that machine
[18:28] <greyback_> mir folk are the culprits there
[18:28] <faenil> mm and keyboard doesn't work :D
[18:28] <faenil> okay, but thanks a lot, we got to ui! :)
[18:29] <greyback_> faenil: lol, keyboard we can look at tomorrow
[18:29] <greyback_> go home
[18:29] <faenil> hahaah
[18:29] <faenil> yeah :)
[18:29] <faenil> o/
[18:29] <faenil> thanks ;)
[18:29] <greyback_> welcome, thanks for your patience
[18:52] <bregma> mterry, I still get Xmir rejected by qtmir when launching apps through the libertine-scope with the latest use-ual-info branch, message "ApplicationManager REJECTED connection from app with pid NNNN as it was not launched by upstart"
[19:20] <mterry> bregma, interesting...  tedg ^
[19:21]  * tedg back
[19:22] <mterry> tedg, do you know how to set up the whole libertine environment?
[19:22] <tedg> bregma: What is the AppID in that case?
[19:22] <tedg> mterry: I haven't recently, is ChrisTownsend here?
[19:22] <bregma> ted, for your gratification, the unity8.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14681725/
[19:23] <bregma> mterry, you could try apt-get install libertine, that might work
[19:23] <mterry> bregma, I've got my environment set up I believe.  I was able to launch xchat yesterday
[19:24] <tedg> bregma: Is sakura your app?
[19:25] <tedg> bregma: it should be $container_$app_0.0
[19:25] <bregma> tedg, yes, my test mule is sakura
[19:25] <tedg> bregma: What is the name of your container?
[19:29] <bregma> tedg the appId I send to url_dispatch_send() is "appid://" + container.id() + "/" + app.id() + "/0.0"
[19:30] <bregma> and the log file is "application-legacy-smw2_sakura_0.0-.log" so I think that's the right appId
[19:30] <mterry> tedg, (unrelated to this current issue -- but X-Ubuntu-Supported-Orientations=primary returns all flags on, because "primary" isn't recognized as a valid orientation)
[19:30] <mterry> tedg, (when it should return no flags on)
[19:30] <tedg> bregma: It seems that isn't what qtmir is getting for the ID though :-/
[19:31] <bregma> it's all a black box to me...  string goes in, app comes out
[19:32] <tedg> Actually, now looking at the file it seems to be in some places.
[19:32] <tedg> bregma: Does a click run?
[19:32] <bregma> tedg, the gallery-app runs
[19:33] <mterry> tedg, looks like we strip the smw2_ prefix between starting and application creation..  let me see if my changes might do that
[19:33] <bregma> and the Libertine app, in all its glory
[19:33] <bregma> my cinatiner's name is smw2_
[19:33] <bregma> er, without the underscore
[19:33] <bregma> and with container spelled correctly
[19:34] <bregma> technically, the container's id is smw2, its name is "Chroot test" but that's irrelevant to anyone but a pedantic jerk
[19:34] <bregma> your welcome
[19:35] <tedg> mterry: Yeah, that's what I was wondering, but it would seem that a click app would have a similar problem.
[19:35] <tedg> mterry: Though, perhaps a parse that should be a find.
[19:36] <mterry> tedg, here's what we do to the app's id: toShortAppIdIfPossible(QString::fromStdString(std::string(app->appId())))
[19:37] <mterry> tedg, where toShortAppIdIfPossible basically checks ubuntu_app_launch_app_id_parse.  If it parses, we take package_appname else we return appId unchanged
[19:37] <mterry> tedg, in this case, IF app->appId() returns smw2_sakura, I'd expect us to use it unchanged
[19:38] <mterry> tedg, but I'm wondering if app->appId() is returning an appid that gives "sakura" as its string?
[19:38] <tedg> mterry: No, we'll never return the short appId()
[19:39] <tedg> mterry: It would probably return {'smw2', 'sakura', '0.0'}
[19:39] <mterry> tedg, but then we'd recreate smw2_sakura...
[19:39] <mterry> tedg, we always return something with either an underscore or exactly what appId() gave
[19:40] <mterry> tedg, so I think that somehow, appId() is returning the short name
[19:40] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[19:40] <mterry> tedg, or...  rather a very short name
[19:40] <mterry> tedg, could it be confused and think it's a legacy app?
[19:41] <tedg> That's what I was thinking, but I'm not sure how we'd get there.
[19:41] <mterry> tedg, the log file used by upstart has legacy in it
[19:41] <tedg> Yeah, it uses the same upstart job.
[19:41] <mterry> application-legacy-smw2_sakura_0.0-.log
[19:41] <mterry> tedg, ok, so that's expected?
[19:41] <tedg> Yup
[19:41] <mterry> ah well
[19:41] <bregma> well, technically, it *is* a legacy app
[19:42] <mterry> bregma, yeah, but Ubuntu App Launch treats legacy and libertine different internally.  Except for job names I guess
[19:42] <tedg> And that should be the same AppID that is passed to the xmir-helper
[19:42] <bregma> so, much as I'd really love to hang around and get this solved before I get a plane tomorrow to go and demo it in front of the international press, I have to run my kid in to the dentist before I forfeit a chunk of cash
[19:43] <bregma> I'll be back in a couple hours to test any solutions yous come up with
[19:43] <tedg> bregma: Can you pastebin the log file real quick?
[19:43] <tedg> App log file
[19:44] <bregma> hmm, app log file is stale, it doesn't get that far
[19:44] <bregma> I intercepted Xmit, here's a log of it:
[19:45] <bregma> -displayfd 3 -mir puritine_libreoffice-startcenter_0.0
[19:45] <bregma> (EE)
[19:45] <bregma> Fatal server error:
[19:45] <bregma> (EE) Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to send message to server: Broken pipe
[19:45] <bregma> (EE)
[19:45] <bregma> (first line is "echo $@")
[19:45] <tedg> K
[19:46] <bregma> hmm, Dash is all messed up, can't navigate properly any more
[19:46] <bregma> there may be other bugs in the softwarte
[19:46]  * bregma runs to the car
[19:47] <tedg> Software with bugs, seems unlikely.
[19:49] <davmor2> tedg: close bugs with software, next they'll be irradiating themselves and becoming super bugs, I for one welcome our SuperBug overlords ;)
[19:52] <mterry> tedg, also, the default for rotatesWindowContents should be false, not true
[19:52] <tedg> davmor2: I think we need more time in the sauna, I hear that kills bugs.
[19:52] <tedg> mterry: K
[19:53] <mterry> tedg, that and the orientations parsing should fix all bugs I'm seeing with legacy and click apps
[19:53] <davmor2> tedg: :)
[19:56] <mterry> tedg, setting up libertine environment to help with the libertine side of things
[19:57] <tedg> mterry: Cool, just pushed that and the orientation tests. If nothing else the tests the way I think it should work :-)
[20:05] <mterry> tedg, I'm still seeing symbols file complaints
[20:05] <mterry> maybe that's because I'm not doing a clean build?
[20:09]  * tedg tries again, but tested that earlier
[20:09] <tedg> mterry: Are you doing "bzr bd" ?
[20:12] <mterry> tedg, no I'm just debuilding in a bzr checkout
[20:25] <tedg> mterry: Are you on gcc 5.x?
[20:25] <tedg> Oh, I bet you're on vivid.
[20:26] <tedg> Apparently the C++ symbols are different on gcc 4/5
[20:26] <tedg> Need to disable them for vivid.
[20:28] <mterry> tedg, I'm building in vivid yeah on the phone
[20:28] <mterry> tedg, ah makes sense
[20:34] <tedg> mterry: Do you know how to make a symbols file only apply to certain series?
[20:34] <tedg> I was told it was possible, but can't figure out how.
[20:34] <mterry> tedg, um...  you could override the dh_ helper that checks and only do it if the distro is correct?
[20:35] <tedg> Ah, makes sense
[20:35] <mterry> tedg, I don't know a more elegant solution
[20:36] <mterry> tedg, you could pass different strictness values so that it would warn instead of error maybe.  That's probably the lightest touch for vivid
[20:51] <mterry> tedg, hrmph.  I thought I set up the libertine scope all fine.  But I don't see any apps in it
[20:52] <tedg> mterry: You should still be able to launch things with the url dispatcher
[20:52] <tedg> mterry: Shouldn't need the scope
[20:57] <mterry> tedg, does "Unable to dispatch url 'appid://puritine/xchat-gnome/0.0':GDBus.Error:com.canonical.URLDispatcher.BadURL: URL 'appid://puritine/xchat-gnome/0.0' is not handleable by the URL Dispatcher" mean that it didn't find it, or that it is a malformed url?
[21:02] <tedg> mterry: Could be either, most likely it couldn't launch in that case.
[21:03] <tedg> mterry: I think to see the difference you'll have to turn on glib debug messages.
[21:05] <mterry> tedg, G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all didn't add anything
[21:06] <tedg> mterry: To URL dispatcher? The service.
[21:06] <mterry> ah
[21:06] <tedg> mterry: Do you know a variable that has the series? I can't seem to find one...
[21:07] <mterry> tedg, ugh... no not off the top
[21:10] <mterry> tedg, OK.  Did the debug thing.  All I see is "Dispatching URL: appid://puritine/xchat-gnome/0.0"
[21:16] <tedg> Huh, I'd expect at least an emitting message after that.
[21:21] <mterry> tedg, I dunno.    This was working for me the other day
[21:21] <mterry> tedg, I'll just focus on tests for my branch.  Maybe you can get the libertine env going?
[21:27] <tedg> mterry: Hmm, yeah. Let me try that.
[22:54]  * bregma is back for just a few minutes


[09:38] <Chipaca> morning all!
[11:09] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/360 is ready to land, right?
[11:19] <mup> PR #360: make debug logs all along the ops.lib.use dance <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/360>
[11:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: almost
[11:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: morning :)
[11:32]  * Chipaca was having lunch
[11:34] <Chipaca> facubatista: almost because there was a typo in a comment i just spotted, fixed and pushed now
[12:45] <mup> Issue operator#342 closed: ops.lib.autoload does not log what it is doing <Created by stub42> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/342>
[12:45] <mup> PR operator#360 closed: make debug logs all along the ops.lib.use dance <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/360>
[13:56] <facubatista> Chipaca, I just pushed my two PRs after merging with master (and doing the fixes in the second one)
[13:56]  * facubatista brb
[14:08] <crodriguez__> hi guys, any update on the "including every file in the build" for charmcraft ?
[14:09] <crodriguez__> https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/80 or/and  https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/39
[14:21] <facubatista> crodriguez__, we're progressing in a dependency of that, which is to support .jujuignore semantics
[14:21] <facubatista> as we do not want to include EVERY file
[14:21] <facubatista> (like, your .git directory)
[14:22] <facubatista> there's a PR for that, in a good shape, should be landed ~Monday
[14:22] <facubatista> crodriguez__, after that, doing the extra mile should be easy
[14:39] <crodriguez__> okay facubatista , I'll check back early next week !
[14:42] <Chipaca> facubatista: gah, one thing _was_ missing from 'init': using tabulate for the TODOs
[14:47] <facubatista> ah, right
[14:49] <Chipaca> facubatista: ooh, i thought of a way to make the 'output to the user' table more interesting
[14:49] <Chipaca> s/thought/remembered/
[14:50] <Chipaca> --output={text,json,yaml}
[14:50]  * Chipaca runs away
[14:52] <facubatista> Chipaca, that can be interesting, yes, if we think charmcraft will be used from scripts
[14:53] <Chipaca> my experience from over in snapdland is that it's not an if but a when
[16:22] <facubatista> Chipaca, I just improved what you mentioned in charmcraft#93
[16:22] <mup> PR charmcraft#93: Store status <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/93>
[16:22] <Chipaca> facubatista: my approval stands :)
[16:23] <facubatista> ah, I need jam's, right
[16:23] <facubatista> thanks
[16:24] <facubatista> Chipaca, ah, I need yours in charmcraft#94
[16:24] <mup> PR charmcraft#94: Store commands autocomplete <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/94>
[16:29] <facubatista> thanks
[17:39] <facubatista> jam, Chipaca, https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/96
[17:39] <mup> PR charmcraft#96: Updated snapcraft.yaml for new Py deps <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/96>
[17:52] <Chipaca> facubatista: ósom
[18:15] <Chipaca> facubatista: I'm going to EOD
[18:15] <Chipaca> facubatista: have a great weekend, and enjoy the week ahead!
[18:16] <facubatista> thanks! have a nice vacations!
[21:10]  * facubatista eods and eows, see you all on Monday


[08:32] <arcanistherogue> well i used alien and made the .rpm into a .deb
[08:32] <kinus> ok
[08:32] <arcanistherogue> well if ound out
[08:32] <kinus> and?
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> i didnt fully run the install
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> it was just a self extracting .rpm file
[08:33] <kinus> rpms usually install themselves so you should just be able to execute the binary
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> ohn@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i jre_1.5.0_04-1_i386.deb
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> ohn@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i jre_1.5.0_04-1_i386.deb
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> oh shoot
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> sorry
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> didnt see that it pasted and entered it.
[08:34] <kinus> lol np
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> eh
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> anyway
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> when i run the .deb file
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> i get
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[08:36] <jpatrick> are you downloading something via apt?
[08:36] <arcanistherogue> no
[08:36] <arcanistherogue> lemme see
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> nope
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> only one terminal open
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> and kynaptic/synaptic isnt open
[08:37] <jpatrick> you doing something as root?
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> yeah, this installatin
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> *installation
[08:38] <jpatrick> O.o
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> is that bad >_>
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> ....O_o?
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> well anyway
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> im gonnaget some lunch, im tired.
[08:39] <arcanistherogue> i just woke up like an hour ago -_-
[08:46] <Jatos> hi all
[08:46] <jjesse> hello Jatos
[08:46] <kinus> lo
[08:46] <Jatos> any developres here?
[08:47] <kinus> what type of developer you looking for?
[08:47] <Jatos> any who develops software
[08:47] <dean> for what?
[08:47] <Jatos> well I know theres at least one dev person here
[08:48] <Jatos> develops any software
[08:48] <jjesse> i use eclipse for some stuff that i work on
[08:48] <jjesse> including editing ubuntu docs
[08:49] <Jatos> ah
[08:49] <Jatos> hmm, I develop in vario
[08:49] <Jatos> us lanquages
[08:49] <Jatos> apart from c and c++
[08:49] <Jatos> i write basic, php mainly
[08:50] <setite> i write questions
[08:50] <jjesse> mono develop is nice if you want to learn mono of course
[08:50] <buz> these days i only develop php and some assiocated stuff
[08:50] <Jatos> a
[08:50] <Jatos> h
[08:52] <Jatos> any found a problem with gtk where when you sometimes have to hold down the mose to use menus
[08:53] <Jatos> I had this problem with gtk n botgh linux and windows
[08:53] <setite> :)
[08:55] <setite> evolution is ugly
[08:55] <setite> hey is konqueror built on mozilla?
[08:55] <Blissex> setite: you believe in the bible? :-)
[08:56] <setite> everyone's a joker today
[08:56] <Blissex> setite: no, Konqueror is a completely different implementation.
[08:56] <setite> oh is it... hmmm it seemed similar
[08:56] <setite> is there an email companion
[08:56] <setite> because i dont wanna see evolution agian
[08:57] <setite> and how would i go abotu customizing windows in kde
[08:57] <Jatos> konqueror might render a page properly if it was based on mozillla
[08:57] <setite> the bar and icons look fine.. but windows themselves look ghetto
[08:58] <setite> can i somehow transfer my thunderbird info from windows
[08:58] <setite> perhaps copy and paste some files?
[08:59] <Blissex> setite: KMail is the companion, it has several cool features, and KNode is the news reader. They are all part of the KOrganizer suite, which is KDE's alternative to Evolution etc.
[08:59] <Blissex> setite: in KDE to customize stuff you can load themes or tweks the settings in the 'Desktop&Appearances' dialog
[09:00] <Blissex> setite: Ubuntu and Debian come with quite a few prepackaged KDE themes.
[09:00] <setite> ok ill see if i cna find them
[09:00] <Blissex> setite: also, Thunderbird uses both on MS Windows and GNU/Linux, 'mbox' format files, which are also used by KMail etc, so it is easy to transfer them.
[09:01] <Blissex> setite: it is not necessary, but it would be best to have MS Windows files have line endings converted with 'dos2unix' or similar.
[09:03] <setite> looks like kmail is nto a defualt app
[09:03] <setite> nvm
[09:03] <setite> i should have it somewhere
[09:04] <setite> where is kmail
[09:04] <setite> i dont see it
[09:05] <thoreauputic> kontact
[09:05] <setite> k
[09:07] <setite> damn
[09:07] <setite> its having issues
[09:08] <setite> i keep getting an error.. Cannot add message to folder chrome-en-US-mail in KMail
[09:11] <Blissex> setite: thats sounds unlikely...
[09:12] <setite> well i presume i used the wrong folder... so now im searching in the user files for the folder
[09:12] <Blissex> setite: depends on how you created the folder. And perhaps whether you converted it with 'dos2unix' if it is from MS Windows.
[09:12] <setite> found the folder.. im good now
[09:13] <setite> i tried the program folder at first
[09:15] <setite> thats a poor transfer though.. but what can i expect
[09:17] <setite> haha i hsouldnt have done that
[09:29] <seaLne> any idea if there are any problems with the ubuntu bittorrent trackers?
[09:40] <Riddell> seaLne: are you seeing problems?
[09:41] <seaLne> yeah "Problem connecting to tracker - (111, 'Connection refused')"
[09:41] <seaLne> not sure how long thats been
[09:42] <hans_> how do i mount a .nrg imange?
[09:43] <seaLne> sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.nrg /mnt
[09:43] <seaLne> assuming .nrg are still pretty much ISO images
[09:44] <Riddell> seaLne: what are you downloading?
[09:44] <hans_> ok ill try thx seaLne
[09:44] <seaLne> just still the hoary isos
[09:45] <seaLne> Riddell: i doubt its my end as debian ones are still fine
[09:47] <ilba7r> running ubuntu its quite often that my pc usage goes crazy 100% for long time which leads to my pc shutting down. This normally occur when i run update-menus is there a remedy for that. Could it be caused by memory leak? and can it be solved by scaling down my cpu speed?
[09:56] <kimo> my X is started with -nolisten tcp, how do I stop that ?
[09:58] <seaLne> edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[10:00] <[Surge] > Is there a J2RE package for kubuntu? I don't see one. Must I install from source?
[10:00] <Vjaz> This is not really on topic, but I thought someone here might know: Is there a version of Firefox in Ubuntu that doesn't require Gnome libraries?
[10:01] <[Surge] > I don't know Vjaz - I installed the gnome libs and it works
[10:01] <kimo> [Surge] : I have already commented out the first line! Is there some other setting
[10:01] <[Surge] > kimo: I'm not sure what you're talking about  :)
[10:03] <Vjaz> [Surge] : Yeah, it works. I just wouldn't want to install them just to have Firefox. They also generate all sorts of crud like a gconf-directory and gnome settings directories
[10:06] <[Surge] > Yeah well I'm not too phased - it not ideal but it works
[10:09] <Vjaz> [Surge] : I'm pretty sure there was a package of J2RE somewhere. Check in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:10] <[Surge] > I'm already reading it
[10:10] <[Surge] > I just need to find what source it comes from
[10:11] <[Surge] > sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:11] <[Surge] > But they don't list what repository it's in.
[10:12] <Vjaz> Ah yeah, that's annoying.
[10:12] <Vjaz> I think it's the ubuntu-backports one
[10:14] <[Surge] > Yes it is - just got it
[10:14] <[Surge] > A bit tricky for a newcomer like me :)
[10:15] <[Surge] > Not used to the tools and not having the backports configured is a pain
[10:15] <luminerd> what shall it be then - Mozilla or Firefox?  or are they the same essentially?  One just more bloated, or does Firefox have advantages?
[10:16] <[Surge] > I dunno luminerd - I just don't like all the extra stuff I don't need in Mozilla
[10:16] <[Surge] > But really Firefox and Java should be easy to install for new comers
[10:18] <Vjaz> Well Firefox is easy to install if you ignore the Gnome libraries, and they can safely do that.
[10:18] <Vjaz> Unless they don't include it on the Kubuntu CD-ROM. I'm not sure about that.
[10:18] <luminerd> I'm not worried about installation...
[10:18] <luminerd> Just, which is faster operating
[10:19] <Vjaz> luminerd: Mozilla Seamonkey is discontinued, so Firefox is probably a safer bet.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: erm - not discontinued afaik: in fact recently updated
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: mozilla-suite is the new name on Ubuntu at least
[10:21] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: Ok, perhaps not yet, but I remember reading that the Mozilla Foundation is dumping it and it will become a smaller community project called the Seamonkey Suite.
[10:25] <luminerd> Okay, major problem...Firefox, Mozilla, and Mozilla-suite are all EXTREMELY slow.  Konqueror is fast, so I know it's not my connection.  What could possibly cause this?!
[10:26] <Vjaz> How much RAM do you have?
[10:26] <luminerd> Vjaz, me?
[10:26] <Vjaz> yes
[10:27] <luminerd> Vjaz, 256
[10:27] <luminerd> I have no problems with Firefox on my laptop with that though
[10:27] <luminerd> Just this comp
[10:27] <Vjaz> I think it's that. KDE requires a lot of memory, and Firefox adds Gnome libraries on top of that.
[10:27] <Vjaz> luminerd: KDE on the laptop too?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> luminerd: try opening about:config  and setting network.dns.disbleIPv6  to "true" (this helps some people)
[10:28] <luminerd> Vjaz, no, actually E17
[10:28] <luminerd> Okay
[10:28] <thoreauputic> * network.dns.disableIPv6   (sorry, typo )
[10:29] <luminerd> oh wow
[10:29] <luminerd> that did it
[10:29] <luminerd> thanks
[10:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:30] <luminerd> :D
[10:32] <luminerd> thoreauputic, can more be done with this about:config to speed things up?
[10:33] <luminerd> I seem to remember setting some thread limit or something higher on a different comp a while back
[10:33] <thoreauputic> luminerd: yes, there are a few things on the web about tweaking about:config
[10:34] <jpatrick> they're on ubuntuguide.org
[10:35] <thoreauputic> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mozilla+about%3Aconfig+tweaks&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:35] <thoreauputic> excuse the ugly google URL :)
[10:43] <DarkMaul> hello
[10:43] <DarkMaul> i have to questions, 1 how do i install my Nvidia card. 2 how can i auto mount my 2e drive so i can use it
[10:45] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[10:45] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:45] <DarkMaul> aah
[10:46] <DarkMaul> that would be easy
[10:51] <DarkMaul> okay, that was easy
[10:51] <_foodcoman> Anyone been having trouble with XMMS and shoutcast lately?
[10:51] <DarkMaul> how do i mount my second drive
[10:51] <DarkMaul> so i can use the data
[10:51] <_foodcoman> now I get a 404 message or XMMS hangs.... Strange and new.
[10:52] <_foodcoman> I had apt reinstall the thing..... No go.
[10:52] <PieD> Does somebody here know a tool to "benchmark" a windows manager ?
[10:53] <PieD> A simple tool saying me things like : "the test window took x seconds to appear using your WM"
[10:54] <DarkMaul> could someone help me
[10:54] <Firetech> will Qt 4 get into the apt repositories before breezy is released? (after?)
[10:55] <seaLne> could be a while as kde won't be usable state with qt4 for over a year probably
[10:56] <Firetech> can't you install Qt 4 alongside Qt 3?
[10:56] <seaLne> you could
[10:56] <PieD> Firetech: you can without any problem
[10:56] <DarkMaul> i see my second harddrive in my system. i just cant do nothing with it
[10:58] <Firetech> then there should be no problem making debs for Qt 4 (Well, there are some done...) and put them in breezy's universe or something?
[10:59] <PieD> Firetech: no, no problem at all
[10:59] <Firetech> PieD: Is there any chance of that happening?
[10:59] <DarkMaul> isnt there anybody that would be able to help me for a few seconds
[11:00] <PieD> Firetech: I don't know
[11:00] <PieD> DarkMaul: what means "see" for you ?
[11:00] <Firetech> DarkMaul: is it mounted?
[11:00] <DarkMaul> well , when i click on storage media
[11:00] <DarkMaul> i see the drive
[11:00] <Firetech> is there a green arrow in the corner of it?
[11:00] <Firetech> *of the icon for it
[11:00] <DarkMaul> but when i click on it then it gives me a error about fstab ore mstab
[11:01] <DarkMaul> no
[11:01] <DarkMaul> no arrow
[11:01] <DarkMaul> on my first drive there is
[11:01] <Firetech> then it isn't mounted.
[11:01] <DarkMaul> okeej
[11:01] <DarkMaul> how will i mount it
[11:01] <Firetech> is it similar to the first drive?
[11:01] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:01] <DarkMaul> identical
[11:02] <DarkMaul> both 160 gigs
[11:02] <DarkMaul> sata
[11:02] <Firetech> you know how to open a terminal?
[11:02] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:02] <Firetech> same type of partition too?
[11:02] <DarkMaul> what you mean with same partition
[11:02] <Firetech> ignore that
[11:02] <DarkMaul> i will
[11:03] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:03] <DarkMaul> okeej
[11:03] <DarkMaul> opened a console
[11:04] <Firetech> First, check in "storage media" what device the second drive is (click on it and it should say /dev/[something]  in the error box.) then go into a terminal and type "sudo mount /dev/[something]  /mnt"
[11:05] <DarkMaul> sdb1
[11:05] <Firetech> if it gives an error about /mnt not existing , create that directory using "sudo mkdir /mnt"
[11:05] <DarkMaul> no it worked
[11:05] <Firetech> ok
[11:06] <Firetech> this is only temporary though.
[11:06] <DarkMaul> it did not give a error
[11:06] <DarkMaul> ow
[11:06] <Firetech> it won't get mounted  on the next boot
[11:06] <DarkMaul> how can i get this done automaticly
[11:06] <Firetech> edit /etc/fstab as root
[11:06] <[Surge] > And mtab as well I think
[11:06] <DarkMaul> oww
[11:06] <DarkMaul> hmm
[11:07] <[Surge] > man fstab
[11:07] <PieD> see you later
[11:07] <DarkMaul> Password:
[11:07] <DarkMaul> su: Authentication failure
[11:07] <DarkMaul> Sorry.
[11:07] <Firetech> [Surge] : NO, mtab is automatically generated.
[11:07] <DarkMaul> ?
[11:07] <Firetech> DarkMaul: use sudo
[11:07] <Firetech> "sudo su -"
[11:07] <[Surge] > Oh ok Firetech
[11:07] <DarkMaul> lol
[11:07] <DarkMaul> sorry
[11:07] <[Surge] > Or use the one's already in fstab as a guideline
[11:07] <DarkMaul> fedora user
[11:07] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:08] <DarkMaul> root@linux:/home/darkje # edit /etc/fstab
[11:08] <DarkMaul> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/fstab" -- using "application/*"
[11:08] <DarkMaul> strange errors
[11:08] <[Surge] > vi /etc/fstab   :)
[11:09] <Firetech> DarkMaul: copy the line starting with /dev/sda1, and change "/dev/sda1[large space] /" to "/dev/sdb1[large space] /mnt"
[11:09] <Firetech> nano is a goot choice of editor
[11:09] <Firetech> nano /etc/fstab
[11:09] <hater2win> yo
[11:10] <Firetech> go to the /dev/sda1 line, press ctrl+K, then ctrl+U twice and you have two copies of that line :)
[11:11] <DarkMaul> just a sec
[11:11] <DarkMaul> /dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:11] <DarkMaul> that one
[11:12] <Firetech> yup
[11:12] <Firetech> change /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 and / to /mnt
[11:12] <hater2win> Mac OSx86 Tiger got leaked for Intel processors
[11:13] <Firetech> hater2win: will that work on a normal i386?
[11:14] <DarkMaul> it is not letting me edit the file
[11:14] <Firetech> DarkMaul: are you root?
[11:14] <Jatos> hi
[11:14] <hater2win> Firetech: yes
[11:15] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:15] <thor|shop> DarkMaul: sudo (your preferred editor)
[11:15] <hater2win> Firetech: you can run it natively or on vmware both
[11:15] <Firetech> hater2win: cool :D
[11:15] <Firetech> DarkMaul: ctrl+o > Enter
[11:16] <Firetech> doesn't that work?
[11:17] <thor|shop> !lart ilovewindows
[11:17] <ilovewindows> lol, I don't really love windows, just seeeing people reactions...
[11:18] <Firetech> I don't hate windows, but it breaking while I was installing ubuntu prooved a point :P
[11:18] <hater2win> i love linux... but i HATE baseball cards...
[11:18] <ilovekde> i bet
[11:18] <dean> Q: would you used in linux if you'd know that tiger could run on a pc?
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: it can now
[11:19] <thor|shop> :)
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: have it on a partition
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: runs fine =)
[11:19] <DarkMaul> how do i exit nano
[11:19] <DarkMaul> ?
[11:19] <thor|shop> DarkMaul: ctrl-X
[11:19] <ilovekde> tigeros can run on a pc? how much does tiger cost then
[11:19] <hater2win> ilovekde: its a leak right no
[11:19] <dean> if it could run..
[11:19] <ilovekde> oh
[11:20] <hater2win> dean: it does run
[11:20] <DarkMaul> lol
[11:20] <DarkMaul> juh found it
[11:20] <jatos> let use my real nick...
[11:20] <DarkMaul> okay
[11:20] <DarkMaul> but now the drive is still useless
[11:20] <DarkMaul> i cant write anything on it
[11:20] <DarkMaul> i can remember something with cown
[11:21] <DarkMaul> chown
[11:21] <jatos> I am not surprised tiger runs on pc, now mac have gone over to the dark side the new macs are prolly basically pc's
[11:21] <Firetech> DarkMaul: what does /etc/mtab say about /dev/sdb1? (cat /etc/mtab | grep sdb1)
[11:21] <jatos> the dark side refeering to intel in this cae
[11:22] <pussfeller> which package is kde headers
[11:22] <caller> does Wine automatically add something into KDE to access that program?
[11:22] <caller> a shortcut or anything?
[11:22] <DarkMaul> /dev/sdb1 /mnt ext2 rw 0 0
[11:23] <Firetech> DarkMaul: Might be that only root can write it
[11:23] <caller> wine PokerStarsInstall.exe  will work fine, right?
[11:23] <DarkMaul> Firetech
[11:23] <jatos> I am amazed any6thing work with wine
[11:23] <DarkMaul> but thats not really handy
[11:23] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:24] <caller> jatos, y ea but this one programs known to work fine with Wine...
[11:24] <caller> cause there's no texas hold em game for linux! :(
[11:25] <Firetech> DarkMaul: what does "ls -l /mnt" say about owner and such if you know what I mean (DON'T paste everything here)?
[11:26] <DarkMaul> root
[11:26] <DarkMaul> user and group
[11:26] <Firetech> DarkMaul: that's strange
[11:26] <Firetech> it is a linux partition
[11:27] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:27] <Firetech> DarkMaul: you should go into /etc/fstab again and change ext3 to ext2 for the sdb1 line.
[11:27] <_StarScream> hey all
[11:29] <DarkMaul> doen
[11:29] <DarkMaul> done
[11:29] <DarkMaul> ill be rebooting
[11:29] <Firetech> DarkMaul: when you used that drive earlier, do you know where it was mounted?
[11:30] <DarkMaul> it was a LVM
[11:30] <DarkMaul> 2 drives
[11:30] <DarkMaul> combined
[11:30] <Firetech> oh
[11:30] <DarkMaul> fedora does that with it
[11:30] <Firetech> but you've changed the partitions now then?
[11:31] <Firetech> well, else you shouldn't be able to mount it like that...
[11:31] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:31] <DarkMaul> arrgg
[11:31] <DarkMaul> why dosnt Kubuntu dont have the magical tool MC
[11:32] <Firetech> fixing it to be LVM would be quite good, yes
[11:33] <DarkMaul> wel
[11:33] <DarkMaul> well
[11:33] <DarkMaul> i would like a LVM
[11:33] <Firetech> the ubuntu installation has support for making LVMs
[11:33] <DarkMaul> yes but i dont know how to
[11:34] <Firetech> *(k)ubuntu
[11:34] <caller> Problem...I am running an installer file in Wine, I keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/335553
[11:34] <DarkMaul> i dont know what partitions i need to be made
[11:34] <DarkMaul> but
[11:34] <DarkMaul> Midnight COmmander
[11:34] <DarkMaul> do you know it
[11:34] <Firetech> DarkMaul: run mc in terminal
[11:34] <Firetech> it should be installed by default
[11:34] <DarkMaul> it is not
[11:34] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install mc
[11:35] <DarkMaul> E: Couldn't find package mc
[11:35] <DarkMaul>  ??????????
[11:35] <Firetech> damn.
[11:35] <Firetech> !universe
[11:35] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[11:36] <Firetech> !repositories
[11:36] <ubotu> [repositories]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:36] <Firetech> DarkMaul: read that link
[11:37] <Firetech> you might want to install synaptic first, though
[11:38] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:38] <DarkMaul> i have
[11:38] <DarkMaul> Kynaptic
[11:39] <Firetech> well kynaptic isn't that good...
[11:39] <Firetech> let's fix this the manual way then
[11:39] <DarkMaul> i know this has got to do something with chown
[11:40] <Firetech> DarkMaul: run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:40] <Firetech> there is a line beginning with "#deb" a bit down (ending in "universe")
[11:41] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:41] <Firetech> remove the #  before the line(s) and save the file
[11:41] <Firetech> then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mc"
[11:43] <DarkMaul> nice
[11:46] <DarkMaul> well
[11:46] <DarkMaul> that would be enough for one day
[11:46] <Firetech> It's never enough. :P
[11:47] <DarkMaul> well i have a woman waiting upstairs
[11:47] <DarkMaul> dont know what you rather do ?
[11:48] <Firetech> I have no woman...
[11:51] <DarkMaul> aah
[11:51] <DarkMaul> okay
[11:51] <DarkMaul> well she told me 2 times to come
[11:51] <DarkMaul> and keep this as a reminder
[11:51] <buz> what are you waiting for
[11:51] <DarkMaul> dont ever make that 3 times
[11:51] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:51] <buz> waiting for the viagra to kick in?
[11:51] <DarkMaul> juh
[11:52] <DarkMaul> well see ya tomorrow guys and galls...
[11:52] <DarkMaul> thanks for the help Firetech
[11:52] <nikkia> heh, OSX running on generic PCs, thanks to ubuntu
[11:53] <beford> nikkia ??
[11:53] <Firetech> DarkMaul: np.
[11:53] <nikkia> beford, the process that's been discovered to get MacOS X to run on any generic PC, involves bootstrapping with an ubuntu livecd
[11:54] <beford> cool, didnt know about that