[01:35] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:48:26 PM +0330] <duuude> "the default games on OSes are for when people get bored and don't have network access. I did see many people making use of the ones on Windows XP/7."
[01:35] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:48:32 PM +0330] <teward> but there's been pushback on that before so I've left it alone, if ISO size is a problem then I would be happy to make a decision to cut stuff if our dev lead agrees with.
[01:35] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:48:53 PM +0330] <teward> but my statement remains: we're not changing the games we ship at the moment
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:49:40 PM +0330] <teward> i'm open to discussion for this for next cycle, but we're 2 months away from a release so it's a little late to be making major ISO changes
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:51:28 PM +0330] <duuude> well, neither is the office suite, neither is snap etc. the primary reason people install lubuntu as a distro, but people don't install these general-use distros with pre-installed utilities for one single primary purpose
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:52:28 PM +0330] <duuude> people, or at least me, want to save time looking for software when they want to do a simple thing, like bluetooth, scanning, making a doc or whatever
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:52:56 PM +0330] <duuude> boredom-killing stands along those lines
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [7:54:10 PM +0330] <duuude> well, next cycle is ok too, better late than never
[01:36] <duuude> [Tuesday, February 15, 2022] [8:08:30 PM +0330] <teward> given we're 2 months away, my decision is "We'll strip things from the ISO to fit the sizes we need, but we won't add or change anything else for the 22.04 LTS cycle". Next cycle and later we're free to make changes, but not 2 months out from release since we've already done a bunch of testing and such
[01:37] <duuude> --------------
[01:37] <arraybolt3> duuude: I assume this is a question about whether we can remove 2048-qt from Lubuntu?
[01:38] <duuude> hello, nbsdgames are 18 games that are already on ubuntu repos, and they are collectively lighter than 2048-qt
[01:38] <duuude> it is more fun for less space
[01:38] <duuude> would you include them? they are basically better in every way
[01:38] <duuude> arraybolt3: yeah
[01:39] <arraybolt3> I probably don't have the authority to say that myself, but that's a good point. They are terminal-based though, do they happen to make entries in the Application Menu when they are installed?
[01:39] <duuude> it does have an application entry
[01:39] <arraybolt3> (I personally am actually somewhat of a fan of 2048-qt but could easily stand to see it leave the ISO, I can always reinstall later.)
[01:39] <duuude> it takes you to a colorful menu
[01:40] <duuude> where you can choose the player name, see scores, choose a game and play it
[01:40] <arraybolt3> I'll take a look at it.
[01:41] <arraybolt3> I don't see anything technical preventing us from doing that on the surface.
[01:41] <teward> once again
[01:41] <teward> you poke us about changing things 2 months before a release RIGHT as we approach feature freeze
[01:41] <duuude> lol
[01:41] <arraybolt3> teward: Hey, Feature Freeze hasn't hit yet!
[01:41] <duuude> is the next one lts?
[01:42] <arraybolt3> Nope, 24.04 will be though.
[01:42] <teward> duuude: to reiterate my original statement: bug us next cycle.  which means **after** we release a new version and development opens
[01:42] <teward> every 2 years is LTS< 24.04 is an LTS
[01:42] <arraybolt3> So like, in three months, not six.
[01:42] <teward> but interim releases allow us to stage/test
[01:42] <teward> arraybolt3: april for 23.04
[01:42] <duuude> arraybolt3: play miketron btw
[01:42] <teward> if they want us to change things we probably should do so BEFORE the LTS
[01:42] <teward> (and thanks for pinging me while i'm boozing it up at a super bowl watch party with mom dad and friends)
[01:42] <duuude> lol
[01:43] <arraybolt3> duuude: I don't see any application menu entry for nbsdgames
[01:43] <teward> you can stop it with the random 'lol' posts by the way
[01:43] <teward> (they're not needed here)
[01:43] <guiverc> any changes done now will impact 23.04 & subsequent releases (22.04 is released & gets SRUs only)
[01:43] <teward> ^^ correct
[01:43] <duuude> indeed
[01:43] <teward> but we approach Feature Freeze for 23.04 within a week so it's a little late in the cycle to change what's seeded on the image
[01:44] <duuude> so I should come 2 months later?
[01:44] <arraybolt3> duuude: I don't see the menu you mentioned, and it took me way longer than it should have to even figure out where the games went.
[01:44] <arraybolt3> (After installing them.)
[01:44] <duuude> arraybolt3: well I have debian and it is there for me
[01:45] <arraybolt3> TO the user, it appears that all games vanished - one would have to be advanced *and* know they were there to find them on Lubuntu.
[01:45] <arraybolt3> So that would probably be a no-go even when we have the opportunity to add them.
[01:45] <duuude> you can enter nbsdgames in the terminal to see the menu
[01:45] <arraybolt3> Doesn't do anything on Lubuntu 23.04.
[01:45] <teward> arraybolt3: isn't nbsdgames a collection of games that get added to Games and not given its own menu?
[01:45] <teward> in *buntu I mean
[01:45] <arraybolt3> lubuntu@lubuntu:~$ nbsdgames
[01:45] <arraybolt3> nbsdgames: command not found
[01:45] <arraybolt3> teward: It does, yes.
[01:45] <duuude> what is the version in the repo?
[01:46] <arraybolt3> duuude: 5-4.
[01:46] <arraybolt3> (So version 5, Debian package revision 4.)
[01:46] <teward> which is the same version that's been in Debian stable since its first upload.
[01:47] <duuude> are you sure it got installed?
[01:47] <arraybolt3> Very sure, I can play individual games from it.
[01:47] <teward> duuude: you do realize that not all games get added to *all* things' application menus right?
[01:47] <duuude> i should check with the debian maintainer
[01:47]  * guiverc just installed nbsdgames on my box; nothing appeared in menu either on my lunar box
[01:48] <duuude> teward: i didn't get your sentence
[01:48] <duuude> but for me, it is in the games menu
[01:48] <teward> then you have no understanding of DEs.
[01:48] <teward> each DE doesn't necessarily reflect identical behavior with each other
[01:48] <teward> duuude: and you're uisng LUbuntu?
[01:48] <teward> and tested on our daily ISOs for 23.04?
[01:48] <teward> or are you using Debian straight up?
[01:48] <teward> and what's your DE?
[01:49] <duuude> i am on debian lxqt
[01:49] <teward> debian lxqt != Lubuntu
[01:49] <duuude> yeah, will test on lubuntu too
[01:49]  * guiverc can look in debian later, but I'm using Lubuntu right now & this is a Lubuntu dev room
[01:49] <teward> that should be your first step before reporting about bugs, etc.
[01:50] <teward> always test on Lubuntu before asking questions here
[01:50] <teward> *may be grumpy due to booz*
[01:50]  * guiverc can't find any entry in any menu/submenu for it..
[01:51] <duuude> given that even the nbsdgames command isn't there, it is probably the debian guy's fault
[01:51] <duuude> but you can check the github
[01:51] <duuude> there is a .desktop, svg, the aforementioned menu
[01:52] <teward> GH != Debian either
[01:53] <teward> but if you go look at the source repo for the packaging, https://salsa.debian.org/games-team/nbsdgames shows the file too
[01:53] <arraybolt3> :shrug: I mean, maybe it's fixable, but... I dunno. I actually didn't particularly like any of the games I tried :P
[01:53] <teward> the question is whether they've decided to *deploy* it there, and `nbsdgames` itself might not be a command
[01:53]  * guiverc changelog in debian testing & ubuntu lunar look ~identical
[01:53] <teward> ($PATH does NOT use .desktop files)
[01:54] <teward> and $PATH is *not* always populated with `/usr/games/` in all deployments
[01:54] <teward> which is why `nbsdgames` might not be found as a command
[01:54] <duuude> good point
[01:54] <teward> (see debian/install on that repository I linked and then check your $PATH on a default installation to make sure that it's actually there for CLI)
[01:54] <arraybolt3> Anyway, perhaps revisit this for 23.10 (so come and ask about two weeks after 23.04 is officiall released). We might be able to help fix things then and possibly make this happen, if it is quality enough.
[01:54] <arraybolt3> (Not trying to talk over teward, just trying to help things along.)
[01:54] <tsimonq2> And, you can easily confirm with apt-file show nbsdgames too
[01:54] <teward> ^
[01:55] <teward> tsimonq2: you owe me a coffee
[01:55] <teward> unlike genii who sent me the 20 gallon drum last week so :P
[01:55]  * arraybolt3 slaps teward with the Nuclear Coffee Maker
[01:55] <tsimonq2> teward: coffee and booze don't mix well do they :P
[01:55]  * teward pushes arraybolt3 out the airlock and into the vacuum of deep space
[01:55] <arraybolt3> duuude: (We do this among ourselves, don't be alarmed.)
[01:56]  * duuude wonders how could a nuclear coffee maker work
[01:56] <teward> tsimonq2: depends on whether i'm making an irish coffee or not
[01:56] <tsimonq2> teward: also I think my city owes your city a trophy soon or something lol
[01:56] <teward> orly?
[01:57] <tsimonq2> Vince Lombardi was from Green Bay :P
[01:57]  * arraybolt3 goes and gets food and then returns to LXQt duty
[01:57] <teward> heh
[01:57] <arraybolt3> I like the idea of nbsdgames though, I hope we do revisit it for 23.10.
[01:58] <arraybolt3> (Maybe if I put it in The List it won't get forgotten :D)
[02:00] <duuude> arraybolt3: will add a 2048 for you
[02:01] <duuude> fifteen is similar, it is about swiping numbers too
[04:20] <arraybolt3> Whew. Five packages left to repair from Debian syncs, we're almost done!
[19:45] <teward> tsimonq2: wake up you are needed
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> teward: Imagine that ping actually working?
 teward: i was pinged why was I pinged
[22:43]  * arraybolt3 locks airlock solidly
[22:43] <kc2bez> !cookie | teward


[23:11] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10081010/
[23:11] <CarlFK> $ ubuntu-bug -c bug.crash -u 1418751
[23:11] <CarlFK> ubuntu-bug: error: -u/--update-bug option cannot be used together with options for a new report
[23:11] <CarlFK> but isn't that exactly what is shown here:
[23:11] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_offline_or_using_a_headless_setup
[23:22] <hggdh> CarlFK: I do not think so -- but I am not sure what is it you are trying to dp
[23:23] <CarlFK> hggdh: trying to add to an existing bug report.  which I thought is what that was telling me how to do
[23:24] <hggdh> you probably should use apport-collect to add to an existing bug report
[23:24] <hggdh> per your pastebin you saved locally a crash report (to be filled later)
[23:31] <CarlFK> hggdh: um.. " Please do not attempt to apport-collect to another persons report.  .. [unless] asked by a triager or developer"
[23:31] <CarlFK> are you that?
[23:31] <CarlFK> oh, another person's.. missed that.
[23:37] <CarlFK> hggdh: I guess I didn't make it clear.  headless box I am sshed into.
[23:38] <CarlFK> I think apport-collect wants to use the local browser for me to login to lp


[02:35] <soundray> Hi
[02:36] <BigMac> Hey
[02:36] <soundray> What's your chipset
[02:36] <soundray> ?
[02:36] <BigMac> alright so I have a broadcom chipset which I know are a bi*** to get working
[02:36] <soundray> i386 or amd64?
[02:37] <BigMac> I have tried following a guide that is made for my laptop, but it is supposedly crap
[02:37] <nalioth> or powerpc? :P
[02:37] <BigMac> i386
[02:37] <soundray> nalioth: do you mean that old, not officially supported platform?
[02:37] <soundray> ;)
[02:38] <BigMac> I tried this guide but the first two steps didn't remove ndiswrapper
[02:38] <BigMac> http://ubuntu1501.blogspot.com/2007/01/fixing-wifi-on-dell-1501.html
[02:38] <soundray> BigMac: have you seen this: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/all/
[02:39] <BigMac> then if you scroll down I followed the poster named c0ld instructions
[02:39] <BigMac> using bcm43xx-fwcutter driver
[02:39] <BigMac> no I will check it now
[02:39] <BigMac> anything is worth an attempt
[02:40] <soundray> Re. removing ndiswrapper:
[02:41] <soundray> The kernel module is part of the default install. Make sure it is not listed in /etc/modules
[02:42] <soundray> You may also want to blacklist it: sudo sh -c 'echo blacklist ndiswrapper >/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ndiswrapper'
[02:42] <soundray> Although that's probably overkill
[02:42] <soundray> But you do want to be sure that the rmmod worked.
[02:42] <BigMac> the rmmod did nothing
[02:42] <BigMac> gave an error if I recall
[02:43] <soundray> lsmod | grep -q ^ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper is still loaded
[02:43] <BigMac> didn't echo anything to me
[02:44] <BigMac> and I don't see a modules folder in etc
[02:44] <soundray> It's a file, and I'd be surprised if you didn't have it at all...
[02:45] <BigMac> I can paste the output to pastebin, but nothing was output from that snipper
[02:45] <BigMac> snippet
[02:45] <soundray> How about cat /etc/modules ?
[02:47] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/O3ASlr23.html
[02:47] <soundray> Fine
[02:47] <BigMac> should I run the commands on that site you linked me to?
[02:48] <soundray> It looks to me like the firmware on that site should be the same as the firmware you've already prepared with fwcutter
[02:49] <BigMac> Ok so what should I be doing
[02:50] <soundray> Try again
[02:50] <soundray> but don't disable the connections like c0ld says
[02:51] <soundray> Set them to "Roaming mode" if you want to set it up through networkmanager
[02:52] <BigMac> I didn't get that far
[02:52] <BigMac> I just went through 1-3
[02:52] <BigMac> clicked my network
[02:52] <BigMac> and it wouldn't connect
[02:52] <BigMac> SO I should disable everything?
[02:53] <soundray> No, read what I said
[02:53] <BigMac> ok
[02:54] <BigMac> sorry I don't know where to adjust those settings, I looked in network tools
[02:55] <soundray> One above, in Networking
[02:56] <BigMac> It says roaming mode enabled already
[02:56] <soundray> That's good then
[02:56] <BigMac> ok
[02:57] <BigMac> so what else should I be doing
[02:57] <soundray> Can you do a iwlist ap
[02:57] <BigMac> surr
[02:57] <BigMac> sure
[02:57] <soundray> What's your interface name?
[02:58] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/rUDts424.html
[02:58] <soundray> I see, you haven't got a wireless device yet
[02:58] <BigMac> My SSID? Otherwise I don't know what you mean
[02:59] <soundray> You have two wired Ethernet sockets?
[02:59] <BigMac> I am not sure what you mean
[03:00] <BigMac> Sorry I am usually not this computer illiterate
[03:00] <BigMac> I do have a built in wifi card, and I have one ethernet port on the back
[03:01] <soundray> Are you connected through the Ethernet right now?
[03:01] <BigMac> Yup
[03:01] <soundray> Is that eth0?
[03:01] <BigMac> yes
[03:03] <soundray> Have you got the bcm43xx module loaded? Check with
[03:03] <soundray> lsmod | grep ^bcm
[03:05] <BigMac> http://rafb.net/p/KXovG972.html
[03:06] <soundray> The driver is loaded, then
[03:07] <BigMac> ?
[03:07] <BigMac> SHouldn't it be working then
[03:07] <soundray> BTW, I don't mind you pasting a few lines here. It's the main channel where pasting can be a major problem.
[03:07] <BigMac> Oh ok
[03:07] <soundray> I don't know, I'm trying the same thing here, and it doesn't work, either...
[03:08] <soundray> Driver loads, but no new interface appears
[03:08] <BigMac> hmm
[03:09] <BigMac> Perhaps I should try the actual driver in that guide, but the first 2 commands do nothing
[03:10] <soundray> The ones to remove ndiswrapper?
[03:11] <BigMac> yah
[03:12] <soundray> The rmmod command worked. You have no ndiswrapper module now.
[03:12] <BigMac> ok
[03:12] <BigMac> so should I try the guide all the way through then report back
[03:12] <soundray> To check whether ndiswrapper-utils is installed, do a
[03:12] <BigMac> or do you think it is not worth it
[03:12] <soundray> dpkg -l ndiswr*
[03:13] <soundray> Difficult question
[03:13] <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ dpkg -l ndiswr*
[03:13] <BigMac> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[03:13] <BigMac> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[03:13] <BigMac> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[03:13] <BigMac> ||/ Name           Version        Description
[03:13] <BigMac> +++-[03:13] <BigMac> un  ndiswrapper-mo <none>         (no description available)
[03:14] <BigMac> It is just irritating knowing that wifi does work on my laptop, I like ubuntu way more then windows for coding, but yet I have never been able to get wireless working
[03:16] <soundray> You've successully removed that package
[03:16] <BigMac> ok
[03:16] <BigMac> so continue the guide?
[03:17] <soundray> I don't know
[03:18] <soundray> It would be nicer to get it to work without ndiswrapper
[03:18] <soundray> and without bypassing the package system as well
[03:18] <BigMac> Sure but I would rather have wifi with ndiswrapper than no wifi
[03:18] <BigMac> If I can't get it working without it
[03:19] <soundray> I can see that.
[03:20] <BigMac> But if you have more ideas, please go ahead, I am just saying if you are tapped on ideas then i can resort to this
[03:20] <soundray> But I have to let you try without me, I need a bit of sleep now
[03:21] <soundray> I've been searching the web up and down while we were chatting, but haven't found anything useful
[03:22] <BigMac> ok I guess I will try and really hope it works
[03:22] <BigMac> if not I find somebody else who can help
[03:22] <soundray> Good luck
[03:24] <soundray> BigMac: one more thing
[03:24] <soundray> lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:25] <soundray> What does that give you?
[03:26] <BigMac> moyers@moyLAPTOP:~$ lspci | grep Broadcom
[03:26] <BigMac> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[03:26] <BigMac> 08:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[03:29] <soundray> Yes, it looks like those instructions apply
[03:30] <soundray> I just found that for my device (4328) there just isn't a driver at all yet.
[03:30] <soundray> Nevermind
[03:30] <soundray> See you later
[05:01] <Fezzler> h
[05:01] <Fezzler> how come in some irc rooms there are long lists of people but no conversation.  Are people IMing?
[05:02] <Fezzler> sorry for newbie q?
[06:52] <eAi> hey
[06:53] <soundray> eAi: let's start with grub
[06:53] <eAi> ok
[06:53] <soundray> To simplify things a little, there are two parts to it.
[06:53] <soundray> One is a tiny program that fits into the master boot record of a hard disk drive.
[06:54] <eAi> yep
[06:54] <eAi> stage1 right?
[06:54] <soundray> Yes
[06:54] <soundray> The MBR is outside of all partitions. In fact, I think it contains the partition table as well.
[06:55] <soundray> That part of grub needs to reference the next stage, 1.5.
[06:55] <eAi> ok
[06:55] <soundray> Or is it stage2, I get confused.
[06:56] <soundray> It doesn't matter.
[06:56] <soundray> What matters is that stage 1 needs a pointer to what comes next, so it can load it off the disk.
[06:56] <eAi> ok
[06:57] <soundray> That's what goes into the /grub subdirectory of your /boot partition.
[06:58] <soundray> Once that part is loaded, it goes on to load a kernel. At this point, grub is still dependent on BIOS information.
[06:58] <soundray> Which is why your first attempt with the USB failed.
[06:58] <eAi> ok
[06:58] <soundray> Now let's make a quick digression into partition tables.
[06:59] <soundray> You can have a maximum of four primary partitions on a disk, *or* up to three primaries plus an extended partition.
[06:59] <soundray> The extended partition can contain logical ones.
[07:00] <soundray> fdisk shows all partitions, including the extended one. Some other programs don't. Hence the discrepancy between three and four partitions that you see.
[07:01] <eAi> ok
[07:01] <soundray> Given that you have a new /dev/sda6, I presume you have one primary partition, one extended one and two logicals inside the extended.
[07:02] <eAi>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda1   *           1        5101    40973751    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda2            5102        7296    17631337+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda5            5102        7125    16257748+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:02] <eAi> /dev/sda6            7126        7296     1373526   83  Linux
[07:02] <soundray> Yes, that's what I thought. sda5 and sda6 are the logical ones inside sda2
[07:03] <eAi> ok
[07:03] <soundray> The next step is to copy the required data to your /dev/sda6
[07:03] <soundray> How we do this depends on how you are currently set up. ?
[07:03] <soundray> Running Windows right now?
[07:04] <eAi> no, Ubuntu live cd
[07:04] <soundray> eAi: okay, that's where you ran gparted from, correct?
[07:04] <eAi> yes
[07:05] <soundray> BTW, what version of ubuntu?
[07:05] <eAi> 7.04
[07:05] <soundray> Did you have to apt-get install gparted?
[07:05] <eAi> no
[07:06] <eAi> was in the System->Administration menu
[07:06] <soundray> It's included, that's what I thought. Someone claimed the opposite yesterday.
[07:06] <soundray> Nm
[07:06] <eAi> well, its fairly obvious, right there at the top
[07:06] <soundray> What do you get from a 'sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt'? I'm hoping for silence.
[07:08] <eAi> correct
[07:08] <eAi> nothing
[07:09] <soundray> Do a "sudo sh -c 'date >/mnt/datelabel' " to see if you can write to it
[07:09] <soundray> Should be silent, too.
[07:10] <eAi> silent
[07:10] <soundray> What's the partition name of your ubuntu installation, ie. external hard disk?
[07:11] <eAi> /dev/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> eAi: we need to mount that to another mount point.
[07:12] <soundray> sudo mkdir /media/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2
[07:12] <soundray> should both be silent
[07:13] <soundray> sorry
[07:13] <soundray> sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /media/sdb2
[07:13] <eAi> ok, done
[07:13] <soundray> Now we need to copy the whole /boot directory contents to the new partition.
[07:14] <soundray> sudo cp -a /boot/* /mnt/
[07:14] <soundray> actually...
[07:14] <soundray> sudo cp -av /boot/* /mnt/
[07:14] <soundray> That way you'll know what's going on
[07:14] <eAi> ok, done
[07:15] <soundray> Now the Ubuntu installation needs to know about the new location of the /boot data
[07:16] <eAi> ok
[07:16] <soundray> echo '/dev/sda6 /boot ext3 defaults 0 2' | sudo tee -a /media/sdb2/etc/fstab'
[07:17] <soundray> before you do that...
[07:17] <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/etc/fstab /media/sdb2/etc/fstab-backup
[07:17] <soundray> just to be safe ;)
[07:19] <eAi> hm
[07:19] <eAi> that gives a > prompt
[07:19] <soundray> my fault
[07:19] <soundray> Ctrl-C that
[07:19] <soundray> then arrow-up and remove the quote mark from the end.
[07:20] <eAi> ah ok
[07:21] <eAi> yeah it just echoed out that part in quotes to the console
[07:21] <soundray> Do a cat /media/sdb2/etc/fstab and see if the new line is there
[07:22] <eAi> yeah it is
[07:22] <eAi> theres 5 uncommented lines
[07:22] <soundray> Good. Next step is to adapt the grub configuration to the new location.
[07:23] <eAi> ok
[07:23] <soundray> Could you paste the whole /mnt/grub/menu.lst to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:25] <soundray> and give me the URL
[07:25] <eAi> sure
[07:25] <eAi> well, its empty
[07:26] <eAi> which makes that kind of redundant ;)
[07:26] <soundray> What about
[07:26] <soundray> ls /mnt/grub
[07:26] <soundray> is that empty, too?
[07:26] <eAi> device.map
[07:26] <soundray> Is that all?
[07:26] <eAi> yes
[07:27] <soundray> ls /media/sdb2/boot/
[07:27] <soundray> anything there?
[07:27] <eAi> yep
[07:27] <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic         initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak
[07:27] <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic      memtest86+.bin
[07:27] <eAi> grub                          System.map-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:27] <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic  vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:27] <soundray> eAi: the copying step hasn't worked then
[07:28] <soundray> No /mnt/datelabel, that's worrying
[07:28] <eAi> thats odd
[07:28] <eAi> i cd'd to mnt
[07:28] <eAi> and its all there
[07:28] <eAi> one sec
[07:29] <eAi> it just hasn't copied all the grub stuff
[07:29] <soundray> ls /mnt ?
[07:29] <eAi> abi-2.6.20-15-generic             lost+found
[07:29] <eAi> config-2.6.20-15-generic          memtest86+.bin
[07:29] <eAi> datelabel                         System.map-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:29] <eAi> grub                              vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic
[07:29] <eAi> initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic.bak
[07:30] <eAi> I did the copy again and it did the same
[07:30] <eAi> it just copied on grub/* file
[07:30] <soundray> Is there a /mnt/grub/menu.lst now?
[07:30] <eAi> no
[07:30] <eAi> sudo cp -av /boot/grub/* ./grub
[07:30] <eAi> copies one file
[07:31] <eAi> that copy is wrong
[07:31] <soundray> Yes, it's the wrong source
[07:31] <soundray> sorry
[07:31] <eAi> yes
[07:31] <eAi> :)
[07:31] <soundray> sudo cp /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/
[07:31] <soundray> sudo cp -av /media/sdb2/boot/* /mnt/
[07:31] <eAi> ok, better
[07:32] <soundray> Now let me see your /mnt/grub/menu.lst pls
[07:33] <eAi> one sec
[07:36] <eAi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20519/
[07:37] <soundray> I'll go through that, edit it in a few places and paste it back. Be patient pls ;)
[07:37] <eAi> of course :)
[07:37] <eAi> thanks btw, really helpful
[07:42] <soundray> eAi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20521/
[07:42] <soundray> I hope these are right. Make a backup of the existing menu.lst for reference.
[07:43] <soundray> You'll see that I put (hd0,5), this is the grub name of your /dev/sda6
[07:44] <eAi> yeah I saw
[07:44] <eAi> copied in
[07:44] <soundray> We should be ready to put grub in the MBR now.
[07:45] <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[07:45] <soundray> Any errors?
[07:46] <soundray> oops
[07:47] <soundray> Have you done that already?
[07:47] <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported.
[07:47] <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map.
[07:47] <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[07:47] <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[07:47] <eAi> (fd0)   /dev/fd0
[07:47] <eAi> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[07:47] <eAi> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[07:47] <soundray> I see
[07:48] <eAi> that right?
[07:48] <soundray> The problem now is that grub created a boot directory inside /mnt, which itself is later going to be /boot
[07:49] <soundray> Not a problem, let's sideline that new directory
[07:49] <soundray> sudo mv /mnt/boot /mnt/boot-mistake
[07:49] <soundray> Then create a symbolic link in /mnt named boot, pointing to itself
[07:50] <soundray> cd /mnt ; sudo ln -sf . boot
[07:50] <soundray> Then redo the grub-install
[07:50] <eAi> done
[07:50] <soundray> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda
[07:50] <eAi> Installation finished. No error reported.
[07:50] <eAi> This is the contents of the device map /mnt/boot/grub/device.map.
[07:50] <eAi> Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
[07:50] <eAi> fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
[07:50] <eAi> (hd0)   /dev/sda
[07:50] <eAi> (hd1)   /dev/sdb
[07:51] <soundray> Hmm, it's strange that it dropped the fd0 now
[07:51] <soundray> Not a problem, you're not booting from floppy.
[07:51] <eAi> don't even have a floppy drive
[07:52] <soundray> Let's think this through now
[07:52] <soundray> Grub will load from /dev/sda and load its config etc. from /dev/sda6
[07:52] <soundray> Then it'll boot the kernel...
[07:52] <soundray> oops
[07:53] <eAi> remember I still want to be able to boot Windows sometimes ;)
[07:53] <soundray> That's not a problem, grub knows all about your Vista ;)
[07:53] <soundray> But we need to change the location of the kernel back to /boot/... now
[07:54] <soundray> which means I have to give you another menu.lst
[07:55] <soundray> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20522/
[07:55] <soundray> This needs to go to /mnt/grub/menu.lst again
[07:56] <soundray> Okay, now the kernel knows where to find itself, so to speak, once grub loads it.
[07:56] <eAi> copied that in
[07:56] <soundray> I think it's done. Wanna try to reboot?
[07:59] <eAi> ok :)
[07:59] <eAi> if it doesn't work I'll have to reboot using the live cd and install xchat again
[07:59] <eAi> so I may be some time...
[07:59] <soundray> eAi: either that, or connect with gaim instead (should be on the CD already)
[07:59] <eAi> ok
[08:00] <eAi> I'll be back!
[08:00] <soundray> eAi: I'll stay logged in for another while
[08:00] <eAi> k
[08:08] <eAi> it worked!
[08:08] <soundray> Excellent.
[08:08] <eAi> thanks a lot :)
[08:09] <soundray> Have you tried booting your horrible closed source OS, too?
[08:09] <eAi> haven't tested if windows still works
[08:09] <eAi> no
[08:09] <eAi> i've actually got Vista and XP installed, but I never use Vista
[08:09] <eAi> someone gave it to me free ;)
[08:09] <soundray> Well, I trust that it'll work. If not, you can always ask again on the main channel
[08:10] <eAi> ok
[08:10] <soundray> Are you sorted then? ;)
[08:11] <eAi> well a few other questions
[08:11] <soundray> I'm all eyes
[08:11] <eAi> like, is there a way to get double-tap (on the laptop's trackpad) to work for dragging?
[08:12] <eAi> its hardly major, but it'd be useful
[08:12] <soundray> eAi: probably. It worked out of the box for me, but you may have to configure the synaptics driver.
[08:12] <soundray> gsynaptics is a useful frontend.
[08:13] <eAi> ok
[08:13] <eAi> gparted isn't installed by default
[08:13] <eAi> it is on the live cd though
[08:14] <eAi> also, is it just me, or does the return/enter key not always work to click the default button
[08:14] <eAi> (the glowing one)
[08:14] <soundray> eAi: that's just you...
[08:15] <eAi> strange
[08:15] <eAi> it keeps happening
[08:15] <soundray> eAi: I'm not sure, I don't get this problem.
[08:15] <soundray> Do you mean dialog buttons, like OK/Cancel, or menus as well?
[08:15] <eAi> works fine selecting menu items
[08:15] <eAi> but for example, if I select a package in the Synaptic Package Manager
[08:16] <eAi> and try to install it
[08:16] <eAi> I get the "Apple the following change" dialog
[08:16] <eAi> and pressing return won't do "Apply"
[08:16] <soundray> eAi: maybe it's not just you
[08:17] <soundray> I tend to use the keyboard for command line work, and the mouse for GUIs
[08:17] <eAi> well, I avoid the mouse as much as I can on my laptop
[08:17] <soundray> Try space if return doesn't do what you expect
[08:17] <eAi> when I don't have a mouse connected
[08:17] <eAi> space didn't work
[08:17] <eAi> tab -> enter worked
[08:17] <eAi> (selecting the checkbox)
[08:18] <eAi> which suggests that whatever is selected by default is not passing the keystroke correctly
[08:18] <eAi> anyway
[08:18] <eAi> i'll live ;)
[08:18] <eAi> wheres xorg.conf?
[08:19] <soundray> /etc/X11
[08:20] <eAi> that gsynaptics app says I've got to set SHMConfig to true
[08:21] <eAi> but I'm not sure what section that should be in
[08:21] <eAi> and SHMConfig isn't currently in there
[08:23] <eAi> I don't have a Synaptics Touchpad item which one site thinks I maybe should
[08:24] <soundray> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[08:24] <soundray> look at post #8
[08:25] <eAi> do I have to restart X after I change it?
[08:25] <soundray> eAi: yes
[08:26] <eAi> control + alt + backspace?
[08:28] <eAi> doesn't work :(
[08:31] <soundray> eAi: you have to reference that InputDevice where the current one is also referenced
[08:31] <soundray> in Section ServerLayout
[08:32] <eAi> add an InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad"
[08:32] <eAi> ?
[08:33] <soundray> Yes
[08:33] <eAi> ok, trying that
[08:33] <soundray> Make sure it exactly matches the Identifier.
[08:34] <eAi> well that fixed it :)
[08:34] <eAi> tap and drag works :)
[08:34] <soundray> Hooray!
[08:34] <eAi> and the config works :)
[08:34] <eAi> config should really be part of ubuntu :)
[08:35] <eAi> judging by the number of posts there are about this kind of thing
[08:35] <soundray> Do you mean gsynaptics?
[08:35] <eAi> yes
[08:36] <eAi> and whatever is required to make it "just work" :)
[08:37] <eAi> well, thanks very much for helping me with this
[08:37] <soundray> Yw
[08:38] <eAi> now, all this stuff has made me forget to eat :(
[08:40] <eAi> heres a quick question - whats the best way to mount an SMB share?
[08:45] <soundray> eAi: that's not a quick question ;)
[08:46] <soundray> eAi: try "Places - Connect to server"
[08:46] <soundray> eAi: if you want a permanent mount, add it to /etc/fstab. I'll give you an example line from mine:
[08:47] <soundray> /fsg/media /var/lib/media      cifs        credentials=/root/.creds,uid=1000,gid=1000  0       1
[08:47] <eAi> if that fails to mount, will it cause any problems?
[08:47] <eAi> (e.g. if the laptop is off the network)
[08:48] <soundray> eAi: yes
[08:48] <soundray> After gid=1000, you can add ',noauto' (no space)
[08:48] <soundray> Then you can mount the share when needed with
[08:49] <soundray> sudo mount /var/lib/media
[08:49] <eAi> hm ok
[08:49] <eAi> how can I enable ntfs write?
[08:49] <eAi> just install the ntfs-3g package?
[08:49] <eAi> or is it more complex?
[08:50] <soundray> I don't know...
[08:50] <soundray> !ntfs-3g
[08:50] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[08:51] <soundray> That may help
[08:51] <soundray> I don't have any ntfs partitions on my main machines :)
[08:51] <eAi> ok :)
[08:53] <soundray> Actually, that's not true. I created one on my Mac with Boot Camp. But I'm not using it atm and I don't think I will
[08:53] <soundray> Where in the UK are you?
[09:01] <eAi> back
[09:01] <eAi> im in London
[09:01] <soundray> Not far then
[09:01] <soundray> I'm in Ascot
[09:01] <eAi> I go to uni at Royal Holloway very near there
[09:02] <soundray> In Egham, yeah
[09:02] <eAi> yep
[09:02] <soundray> I have friends there
[09:02] <soundray> What do you study?
[09:02] <eAi> Computer Science
[09:02] <eAi> ;)
[09:03] <soundray> My friends are two geologists and an ethno-musicologist :)
[09:04] <eAi> i've met a few geologists, no ethno-musicologists though
[09:04] <soundray> I went to the open day a few weeks ago with the kids
[09:05] <eAi> the UCAS ones?
[09:05] <soundray> erm
[09:05] <soundray> Don't know what UCAS is
[09:05] <eAi> university entry system
[09:05] <soundray> No, it was a thing for the public
[09:06] <eAi> ah
[09:07] <soundray> I work with computer scientists a lot. Are you into image processing at all?
[09:07] <eAi> well I used to play around with that kind of thing ages ago, but I can't say I've done much recently
[09:08] <eAi> I spend most of my time working on Multi Theft Auto a grand theft auto mod
[09:08] <eAi> thats C++ and Assembly
[09:08] <eAi> assembly is really what I enjoy
[09:08] <eAi> bit sad ;
[09:08] <eAi> )
[09:08] <soundray> :D
[09:10] <eAi> but I do all sorts of stuff really, the mod I do because its a good challenge
[09:10] <soundray> Are you undergraduate still?
[09:10] <eAi> yes, second year
[09:10] <eAi> but strangely I still find I haven't really learnt much I didn't know before I started it ;)
[09:11] <eAi> probably because I wasted most of my school life in front of a computer
[09:11] <soundray> Well, I can tell you your type is in demand in my arena
[09:12] <eAi> whats that exactly?
[09:13] <soundray> Extracting information from e.g. 3D brain images acquired with MRI that isn't readily visible on 2D sections
[09:14] <eAi> data visualisation kind of?
[09:14] <soundray> Yes, that comes into it
[09:14] <eAi> or more focused on getting the information than displaying it?
[09:15] <soundray> But also data mining, feature extraction, statistical functional mapping, all of that
[09:15] <eAi> sounds interesting
[09:16] <eAi> I imagine theres lots of demand for that for all sorts of things
[09:16] <soundray> If you're interested in a summer project or similar in that vein at any stage, drop me an email
[09:16] <eAi> like satellite images etc?
[09:17] <soundray> It's my nickname at imperial dot aycee dot ukay ;)
[09:17] <eAi> sure, I might well be, got nothing to do this summer anyway
[09:17] <eAi> worked in an office last year, got paid well, but bored out of my mind
[09:17] <eAi> worked in "The gherkin"
[09:17] <soundray> eAi: yes, or even just to continue this discussion... I should log off now.
[09:17] <eAi> ok, sure
[09:18] <soundray> Enjoy your ubuntu ;)
[09:18] <eAi> thank you
[09:18] <eAi> I will :)
[09:18] <soundray> Bye now


[04:15] <mup> Bug #1939218 opened: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1939218 changed: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[04:30] <mup> Bug #1939218 opened: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1939218 changed: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[04:36] <mup> Bug #1939218 opened: snapd startup crash after install of standalone microk8s <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1939218>
[09:00] <Mmike> Howdy, all. Not sure if this is the best pace to post this question (please redirect me if there is a better place), but here goes: why /var/lib/snapd/cache is not in /var/cache/snapd? (I'm talking about snapd on Ubuntu 20.04, server or destkop equally)
[19:51] <georgios>  hi. i have a problem with my snaps not loading properly at boot. it is like some of them dont see their /home stuff. i restart the application and then everything is as it should


[20:45] <s1lence> Flannel, no canonical in here?
[20:47] <Flannel> Wow, I had no idea this channel had so few people.
[20:47] <Flannel> s1lence: There may be canonical folks here, but this is the community team, not a place for cannonical efforts. Correct.
[20:48] <s1lence> Flannel, any idea how i could alert somebody at canonical that their publicity images for ubuntu edge were mirrored to imgur?
[20:48] <s1lence> ie. so they can file a takedown request if they need to. :/
[20:49] <Flannel> s1lence: the only real canonical presence on IRC is #canonical-sysadmin, but I think an email (don't know where) would be more robust.
[20:50] <s1lence> ugh
[20:50] <s1lence> oh wait i think i may have canonical's legal team email somewhere
[20:51] <s1lence> shoot
[20:56] <s1lence> Flannel, I just messaged xnox and it looks like it's under control