[00:05] <Red-Raven> ok if anyone is still here, should my partition look like this on my XP: http://imagebin.org/131521 that is what my laptop partition looks like. im refering to the extended partition and the two other partitions within it. should i just set up the same kind of thing on my XP?
[00:10] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, not sure what you are trying to do, but a disk device is limited to 4 Primary Partitions.
[00:10] <Red-Raven> ok you know what? F this. ive been relying on you guys to help me this whole time. its time i learned something on my own for once. if i break it, ill fix it like i already did once. and thats how you learn best. by fixing it. (no offence to you guys; you've helped me out so much. just thought id try it on my own for once.)
[00:11] <ibuclaw> an Extended Partition can hold many Logical Partitions (so you aren't held down by the sore limited)
[00:11] <ibuclaw> *limitation =)
[00:12] <Red-Raven> yah IK :) *jumps*
[00:12] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, well... some things can't be talk
[00:12] <ibuclaw> BAH
[00:12] <ibuclaw> *taught
[00:12] <ibuclaw> my spelling is terrible today
[00:13] <Red-Raven> mine is everyday.
[00:13] <Red-Raven> this can be, but i choose to get some experience out of it.
[00:16] <Red-Raven> ....*facepalm* first thing im doing is getting anew environment with a SMALL footprint.....the XP is slow as crap.......
[00:16] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, new to the scene I take it?
[00:17] <Red-Raven> semi. got ubuntu about two weeks ago now. putting it on a run-down XP machine. it will be my guinea pig machine.
[00:18] <ibuclaw> ok, reading on the backlog
[00:18] <ibuclaw> http://imagebin.org/131519 <-- that looks fine to me as a basic setup
[00:19] <ibuclaw> just fill the extended partition hole with logical partitions and off you go.
[00:19] <Cheri703> Red-Raven: sorry for being sensitive last night :/ your "the point being" felt ...rude :( sorry for the mis-read
[00:19] <ibuclaw> As a rule of thumb, 20GB is more than enough for Ubuntu
[00:20] <Red-Raven> awesome. im basing everything i do here off that.
[00:20] <ibuclaw> and depending of amount of RAM on your system:
[00:20] <Red-Raven> don't sweat it cheri703. its cool.
[00:20] <ibuclaw> < 1GB : create 1.5x size swap
[00:20] <Red-Raven> wow...didn't mean to sound like a surfer due there....
[00:20] <Red-Raven> due*
[00:21] <Red-Raven> ugh! dude*
[00:21] <ibuclaw> 2GB : 2GB swap
[00:21] <Red-Raven> i have 512 MB RAM. so 512 swap?
[00:22] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, I'd say 768-1GB
[00:22] <pedro3005> 512 * 1.5 = 768
[00:22] <Cheri703> I think my desktop may have bitten the dust :( (not the dual-boot)
[00:22] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, swap == The Linux equiv. of pagefile
[00:22] <Red-Raven> ok cool. there a way to double check total RAM from ubuntu?
[00:23] <Red-Raven> *oh noes*
[00:23] <ibuclaw> it's there as a safety buffer when you've ran out of RAM.
[00:23] <Red-Raven> ok cool.
[00:23] <ibuclaw> Red-Raven, free -m
[00:24] <Red-Raven> oh right thx.
[00:24] <ibuclaw> or ... for mere mortals
[00:24] <ibuclaw> System -> Admin -> System Monitor
[00:25] <Red-Raven> ok cool total is 494. how am i running ubuntu without the minimun RAM/
[00:25] <Red-Raven> sorry brb. dinner.
[00:26] <phoenix5> I have a vaio laptop with an integrated touchpad that is not responding, ubuntu version is 10.04
[00:28] <phoenix5> it is an EB vaio and runs windows 7 OS as well, any suggestions?
[00:39] <JackyAlcine> Might be closed-source drivers, phoenix5
[00:39] <phoenix5> (nUboon2Age on site with phoenix5 - but i don't have a clue on this question.)  Do any of y'all have an idea on this unresponsive Vaio touchpad w/ 10.04?   phillw, pedro3005, paultag, jussi, jledbetter, holstein, IdleOne, ikonia, geirha,
[00:41] <phillw> phoenix5: please do not ping everyone.... If people know the answer they will answer you.
[00:42] <holstein> hey phoenix5
[00:42] <phoenix5> yes
[00:43] <holstein> hello
[00:43] <phoenix5> hello
[00:43] <holstein> touchpad never worked?
[00:43] <holstein> in buntu?
[00:43] <phoenix5> no
[00:43] <holstein> hmmm
[00:43] <phoenix5> the integrated mousepad in the laptop*
[00:44] <holstein> external mouse works?
[00:45] <holstein> phoenix5: open up a terminal
[00:45] <holstein> and type
[00:45] <phoenix5> never tried an external mouse
[00:45] <holstein> xinput list
[00:45] <holstein> copy that
[00:45] <phoenix5> thought it would work with the internal
[00:45] <holstein> and paste it to pastebin
[00:46] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[00:46] <phoenix5> what is the xinput list
[00:47] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/551664/
[00:47] <holstein> thats the output for me
[00:47] <holstein> if you would like to see it
[00:47] <holstein> do you have an external mouse?
[00:48] <phoenix5> yes
[00:48] <holstein> so you'll be able to navigate the desktop then
[00:49] <phoenix5> i dont have the laptop with me right now
[00:49] <phoenix5> but when i get to it
[00:50] <holstein> lol
[00:50] <holstein> we'll need that to diagnose the issue
[00:50] <holstein> you can google
[00:50] <holstein> plain text
[00:50] <holstein> ubuntu 10.04 sony whatever model # mouse dont work
[00:50] <holstein> see if you find anything
[00:51] <holstein> OR come back here when you have the unit in front of you
[00:51] <holstein> and plenty of time to run commands
[00:51] <holstein> and be responsive
[00:52] <phoenix5> sorry
[00:52] <holstein> phoenix5: no worries
[00:53] <phoenix5> thanks
[00:53] <phoenix5> g2g
[02:08] <Red-Raven> hey will adding more swap than necissary make any diference what-so-ever, or will it just hog memory?
[02:08] <holstein> doesnt really matter so much no-a-days
[02:08] <holstein> swap
[02:08] <holstein> i dont have swap on my netbook
[02:08] <holstein> and its never really been an issue
[02:09] <holstein> more than necessary shouldnt do anything besides take up HD space
[02:11] <head_victim> I hit swap on my desktop the other day, apparently you can't run multiple vms, game, watch hdtv and browse the internet all at once even with 10gb ram :/
[02:13] <holstein> head_victim: hehe
[02:17] <Red-Raven> ...wow. what rig are you running 10 GB RAM on?
[02:18] <head_victim> It's getting old now but it's a quad core 2.4 (q6600), it's my main vm/gaming/tv pc sitting to my left.
[02:23] <Red-Raven> head_victim, wow. no idea how you maxed out a rig like that. course i guess you did push it pretty far.
[02:23] <head_victim> Well I did have 2 or 3 vms with 2gb ram each running
[02:27] <Red-Raven> so my miniscule RAM is a whoping 494 MB.  so will 741 MB SWAP work? or should i up it a bit more?
[02:29] <head_victim> Depends on what you're doing with it and how much hdd space you have. Either way if you have to use it it will slow down the operation.
[02:30] <Red-Raven> will it slow it down more if i add extra?
[02:31] <head_victim> Not in my experience/knowledge
[02:31] <head_victim> Just means you'll have less space on your hdd for other things.
[02:34] <Red-Raven> ok cool. its got 80 GB, 20 given to windows, and the rest for Linux. 741 MB is about .7 GB, so ill round it up to a full 1 GB.its only about .3 GB, so even if i never use it it won't make much difference. (im getting 741 MB from total RAMx1.5=good swap. my total RAM is 494)
[02:36] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Well you can't really count it toward RAM. That's not quite how it works.
[02:36] <Red-Raven> count the extra swap that goes onto the HD? IK.
[02:36] <Red-Raven> i know it slows down/
[02:36] <Red-Raven> .*
[02:37] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Well it's just not used the same way as RAM.
[02:38] <Red-Raven> its not? thought the piece of SWAP that didn't fit on the RAM just went to the HD and was used as a sort of extension of the RAM?
[02:39] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Only programs that are idle or absolutely can not fit into RAM are swapped. Swapping is *really* slow though.
[02:41] <Red-Raven> oh ok. ill still give it a full 1 GB. can't hurt.
[02:41] <holstein> handy when we had 32 megs of ram
[02:42] <holstein> or less...
[02:42] <Red-Raven> how long ago was that?
[02:43] <holstein> 15 years?
[02:43] <holstein> more?
[02:43] <Red-Raven> lol when i was born.
[02:43] <Red-Raven> (im 15)
[02:44] <aveilleux> You youngins don't know what it was like
[02:44] <Red-Raven> lol. not many kids my age are learning this stuff.
[02:45] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: I started with Ubuntu when I was 13. I know the feeling ;-)
[02:46] <Red-Raven> cool. kids look at my rig and their like .....what is that.....WTF IS THAT!!!
[02:53] <Red-Raven> need...new...smaller...environment....
[02:54] <head_victim> Red-Raven: what flavour of Ubuntu are you using?
[02:55] <Red-Raven> Live CD mav merkat. installing it now.
[02:55] <head_victim> But K/X/L/Ubuntu ?
[02:56] <Red-Raven> just Ubuntu. ill probably check out Lubuntu once i get this installed.
[02:57] <Red-Raven> is there a ctr-alt-delete equivalent for Linux?
[02:57] <head_victim> Ah ok I was going to say there are better ones that Ubuntu if you're using an older or slower computer. I have Ubuntu on the quad core but Lubuntu on this older machine.
[02:58] <head_victim> control alt and backspace will restart x if that's what you mean
[02:58] <Red-Raven> x?
[02:59] <aveilleux> head_victim: Not anymore
[02:59] <head_victim> aveilleux: no?
[02:59] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You mean Task Manager? No.
[02:59] <akshatj> head_victim: it is disabled in 10.10
[02:59] <aveilleux> head_victim: dontzap defaults to 1.
[02:59] <head_victim> Oh I haven't used it in some time but nice to know it's not there anymore
[02:59] <Red-Raven> then what do i do if it freezes up?
[03:00] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: You can ctrl+alt+F1 to go to a different Terminal screen, if you know how to use Terminal. Ctrl+Alt+F7 will go back to the graphical login.
[03:00] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Though honestly, Ubuntu rarely locks up a la Windows.
[03:01] <Red-Raven> thx. there a way to kill tasks from terminal?
[03:01] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: Yes. Use "ps -ef |grep programname" to find the process ID, then "kill -9 processid" to kill it
[03:02] <Red-Raven> apparently on 494 MB of RAM it does.
[03:03] <Red-Raven> wtf...where is that horizantal line....
[03:04] <Red-Raven> NVM found it.
[03:05] <Red-Raven> ok whats the process ID here?
[03:06] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: what?
[03:08] <Red-Raven> what #s or letters are the process id when i do ps -ef?
[03:08] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: ps -ef |grep name-of-program-no-caps
[03:09] <aveilleux> like
[03:09] <Red-Raven> yah]
[03:09] <aveilleux> ps -ef |grep xchat
[03:09] <aveilleux> and the first number is the process IC
[03:09] <aveilleux> ID*
[03:09] <Red-Raven> ok thx.
[03:13] <Red-Raven> ugh. still frozen. might just reboot in a sec.
[03:13] <aveilleux> Red-Raven: you can use the top command to see what's taking all your RAM.
[03:14] <Red-Raven> ok now x-window wont even open....
[03:14] <Red-Raven> im just going to reboot this thing.
[03:20] <Red-Raven> wow.....why does it seem like its gettting slower>
[03:20] <Red-Raven> ?*
[03:22] <head_victim> If you are installing on older systems it can appear to "hang" for quite some time
[03:23] <Red-Raven> it does. will a smaller environment really help?
[03:24] <head_victim> I nearly threw out a 2.4 celeron because it was annoyingly slow but then I found Lubuntu and still using it
[03:24] <Red-Raven> lol same except XP.
[03:26] <Red-Raven> ok before i finalize these partitions, is there anything cool experimentation-wise you suggest i try out with them?
[03:27] <head_victim> All I ever do with them is create a separate /home to make it easier to upgrade but that's just my preference
[03:27] <Red-Raven> oh is that the ext 4?
[03:28] <head_victim> It's adding another ext5
[03:28] <head_victim> ext4*
[03:29] <Red-Raven> ok. on my laptop i only have one ext 4 and its mounted to the /.
[03:30] <head_victim> Yeah you can make that smaller and add the extra space to be a /home but if you don't have lots of space and you're just testing it's not essential to have a separate /hoem
[03:31] <Red-Raven> how does it make it easier to upgrade?
[03:31] <head_victim> It keeps all your program settings and documents
[03:31] <head_victim> When reinstalling, upgrading will still be find
[03:31] <head_victim> fine* sorry, having a bad typo day
[03:32] <Red-Raven> so you don't have to move them all to a pin drive when you're upgrading to for example 10.04 when it officially releases?
[03:33] <head_victim> If you upgrade they will all stay, if you ever need to reinstall you'll need to backup first.
[03:34] <Red-Raven> ok cool. so what size should i make each one?
[03:34] <nit-wit> A separate home is overrated, you shold have that stauff backed up anyway
[03:34] <nit-wit> *stuff
[03:35] <head_victim> nit-wit: each to their own :) I agree for a lot of people it's not required
[03:35] <Red-Raven> um, ok. the individual files or the whole system on an external HD?
[03:36] <nit-wit> Red-Raven, I change OS's often I just keep the media backed up. Linux installs so fast and once you know what you need you can set up pretty quickly
[03:36] <Red-Raven> ok then. ill set up that once im done.d
[03:37] <nit-wit> head_victim, I just see it pushed on new users who may not even remember how it was done and are just confused by it.
[03:37] <Red-Raven> so im creating the ext 4 in Gparted for the insstall, but i don't see where to mount it to /.
[03:38] <head_victim> nit-wit: fair call, he was asking for "cool experimental-wise suggestions" and that's all I had sorry
[03:39] <Red-Raven> also, is it bad that im using Gperted to set up the partitions and not the custom install?
[03:39] <Red-Raven> BRB. bathroom.
[03:39] <head_victim> Can do it either way as long as you know what you're doing
[03:41] <head_victim> If it's your first ever install like nit-wit said you're probably best off just doing a basic, normal installation first.
[03:45] <Red-Raven> its  my second.
[03:45] <head_victim> Ok, well I am starting to run late for work so I have to head off and get ready.
[03:45] <Red-Raven> so because i've set it up in Gparted already, i can just hit install side-by-side?
[03:46] <Red-Raven> oh ok go ahead.
[03:46] <Red-Raven> sorry to keep you like that.
[03:46] <head_victim> I'm sure there are others in here who can continue to help and if you're not sure about things I'd suggest asking around in here, ont he forum or having a quick look in google (I spent HOURS reading stuff in google when I started ;) )
[03:47] <Red-Raven> ok thx! cya.
[03:47] <head_victim> Good luck, see you later.
[03:48] <Red-Raven> same to you.
[04:59] <Dangr_> Hello everyone
[04:59] <Dangr_> I need some help with a Geom Error if anyone is familiar with it
[05:04] <Dangr_> hello?
[05:04] <holstein> hey Dangr_
[05:04] <holstein> i guess, go ahead and clarify "it" a bit more
[05:05] <holstein> and if someone knows something, im sure they will shout something out :)
[05:05] <Dangr_> awesome :)
[05:06] <Dangr_> Well I am still learning Linux but I'm confused by this. I have installed Ubuntu 64 bit (tried 32 as well and get the same screen) and upon restarting and ejecting the live CD I get a screen that reads "Geom Error Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key"
[05:07] <Dangr_> I looked at a lot of forums and most people seem to think its a BIOs issue but I'm still not clear on what to do in order to fix this.
[05:07] <Dangr_> Oh I should mention the drive is not partitioned, Ubuntu is the only OS
[05:07] <holstein> well, its partitioned :)
[05:08] <holstein> you mean, no ntfs partitions
[05:08] <Dangr_> Haha I know but I meant partitioned as in sharing another OS
[05:08] <Dangr_> yes, my bad
[05:08] <holstein> Dangr_: i would probably run a test on the hard drive
[05:08] <holstein> just to be sure
[05:08] <Dangr_> Any suggestions on what to use
[05:08] <holstein> i use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[05:09] <holstein> lots of vendor tools there
[05:09] <holstein> there is a disk diagnostic tool in ubuntu
[05:09] <holstein> that you can use from the live CD
[05:09] <holstein> but there are some great tool on that disc
[05:09] <holstein> vendor specific some of them
[05:09] <Dangr_> Very cool! Thanks - I'm going to give this a try so I'll be back in a bit
[05:10] <holstein> and, where you are, you can really run some of the destructive test right now
[05:10] <holstein> and be sure its rockin and rollin
[05:10] <holstein> then go from there
[05:10] <holstein> Dangr_: could be a bios issue though
[05:10] <Dangr_> Hmm... I'm not familiar with destructive test. What is that?
[05:10] <holstein> that does sound plausible
[05:10] <holstein> Dangr_: well, im just saying, if there is a test that writes zeros
[05:10] <holstein> and you want to do that
[05:10] <holstein> you can
[05:11] <holstein> because you dont have anything important on there yet
[05:11] <Dangr_> Right right
[05:11] <holstein> Dangr_: you've poked around in the bios?
[05:12] <holstein> Dangr_: this is the only HD in the machine right?
[05:12] <Dangr_> Yeah and it had the same error
[05:13] <holstein> Dangr_: did you try loading default values?
[05:13] <holstein> reseting the bios or whatever its called on that machine
[05:14] <Dangr_> But I have to admit I come from a Mac background so I'm not terribly familiar with the BIOS. I did figure how to reset it though
[05:14] <holstein> i think its plausible that the machine either isnt booting that drive
[05:14] <holstein> OR when it tries to boot that drive
[05:14] <holstein> the boot sector is bad or something
[05:14] <holstein> that error message does make me think bios though
[05:15] <Dangr_> If it was the bios what should I be looking for?
[05:15] <holstein> there all so different
[05:15] <holstein> its hard to just give a definitive way to do it
[05:15] <holstein> something in the boot order
[05:16] <holstein> boot sequence sometimes
[05:16] <Dangr_> Hmmm...
[05:16] <holstein> boot settings whatever that is
[05:16] <holstein> not sure what else would be there without looking
[05:16] <holstein> Dangr_: what model comp you got there?
[05:17] <Dangr_> I built it about three months ago. Its an Intel i5 - Asus p7p55d motherboard - Nvidia Graphics
[05:19] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1568558
[05:19] <holstein> theres another one ;)
[05:20] <Dangr_> haha yeah that looks familiar
[05:21] <holstein> im sure its just something stupid and fiddly
[05:21] <holstein> and frustrating ;)
[05:21] <Dangr_> Me too - haha yeah it definitely is. I'm on day 3 now :P
[05:21] <holstein> i dont see anthing obvious, but camp out long as you can here
[05:21] <holstein> someone might come along
[05:22] <holstein> id rule out the HD error thoughh
[05:22] <holstein> if you can
[05:22] <holstein> i usually have so many random part laying around
[05:22] <holstein> i would just try a different HD
[05:22] <holstein> or that HD in another machine
[05:22] <holstein> and help narrow down the variables a bit
[05:22] <holstein> anyways.. good luck :)
[05:23] <Dangr_> Thanks for all your help!
[05:23] <holstein> if you're new to linux...
[05:23] <Dangr_> I appreciate it
[05:23] <holstein> you can usually just take that install to another machine
[05:23] <holstein> and boot it
[05:23] <holstein> *usually
[05:23] <holstein> almost always
[05:23] <holstein> if that helps
[05:23] <Dangr_> hmm true
[05:24] <Dangr_> I'm going to take your advice and just start knocking things off the list, like ruling out the hd
[05:35] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[05:36] <kristian-aalborg> any thinkpad fans here? I'm trying to figure out if I should go for the T43 or the R51....
[05:37] <Dangr_> Hello - sorry not terribly familiar with Thinkpads :P
[07:05] <wolfpack> Hi guys.
[07:06] <wolfpack> I am facing some problem lately while configuring pidgin for IRC chat
[07:14] <hajour> hai wolfpack I'm looking to find someone who can help you :)
[07:15] <wolfpack> k hajour
[07:19] <wolfpack> I  am getting this error ------"Unable to connect: Access denied: HTTP proxy server forbids port 6667 tunneling"....In my college we need to pass through proxy to connect to internetnet
[07:21] <hajour> wolfpack, you have tryed in  #lubuntu to?
[07:21] <wolfpack> no
[07:22] <hajour> maybe there there is someone around now who can help you
[07:22] <wolfpack> ok
[07:22] <wolfpack> thanks
[07:22] <hajour> your welcome :)
[08:54] <Cheri703> So I was using TightVNC on windows to connect from ubuntu, but it keeps freezing up, and cuts out. I have RealVNC installed on windows, but I can't connect to it from ubuntu. Any thoughts?
[09:00] <ts_> are we on?
[09:00] <ts_> Hmm... guess so
[09:00] <Guest12643> okay, guess I'm Guest12643
[09:01] <Guest12643> anyone else here?
[09:01] <Cheri703> o/
[09:02] <Guest12643> i am trying to set up my first ubuntu server 10.04. working well, but intalled gnome by mistake (installed gedit and gnome came with it) How can I delete gname/gendit?
[09:02] <Guest12643> er, make that gnome/gedit
[09:03] <Cheri703> uhm, sudo apt-get autoremove --purge ?
[09:04] <Guest12643> okay, do I have to specify what I'm autoremoving/purging? Sorry for being such a noob
[09:05] <Cheri703> ah, yes
[09:05] <Cheri703> I'd start with gedit and see how that goes, then try gnome after (if you reeeeally don't want gnome
[09:05] <Cheri703> )
[09:06] <Guest12643> hey, looks like gedit is going down the drain!
[09:06] <Guest12643> thanks
[09:07] <Cheri703> just be CAREFUL with that command
[09:07] <Cheri703> it will get things GONE
[09:08] <Guest12643> OK.I'll be careful.  It's still purging away on gedit...
[09:08] <Guest12643> ls
[09:08] <Cheri703> kk
[09:09] <Guest12643> OK, looks like gedit is gone and it took gnome with it. Thanks Cheri703!
[09:09] <Cheri703> sure
[09:09] <Cheri703> I'm verrrrry familiar with the "crap! I didn't want that!" feeling
[09:10] <Cheri703> I had a "oh, you're removing a dependency? I'm going to uninstall EVVVVVERYTHING" a while ago :( had to reinstall
[09:11] <Guest12643> Coming from a long career of DOS, Macs and Windows, Linux is definitely a different beast!
[09:11] <Guest12643> thanks again..... and how do I log off of this chat??
[09:12] <che10> hallo
[09:12] <che10> Kan ik hier wat vragen
[09:13] <che10> ?
[09:16] <hajour> hai che het is engels hier
[09:16] <hajour> so better ask in english
[09:16] <hajour> maar je kan het ook vragen in ubuntu-nl
[09:17] <hajour> als engels lastig is
[09:17] <hajour> che10, ^
[09:18] <che10> oke dankje
[09:18] <hajour> graag gedaan
[09:18] <che10> ga ik dan maar eens kijken fijne dag veder
[09:19] <hajour> hetzelfde :)
[09:20] <che10> ps waar kan ik die vinden?
[09:20] <hajour> klik op #ubuntu-nl
[09:20] <che10> Bij channel kan ik dez niet vinden
[09:20] <che10> oh dat hekje moet erbij
[09:20] <hajour> op bovenstaande link klikken
[09:20] <hajour> :)
[09:20] <che10> dankjewel
[09:21] <hajour> hehe graag gedaan hoor
[09:21] <pedro3005> wat
[09:21] <che10> is geluk kan nu van alls gaan vragen
[09:22] <che10> :)
[09:22] <hajour> pedro3005,  che10  is dutch speaking.i have told to go to ubuntu-nl if english is a problem
[09:22] <pedro3005> :)
[09:22] <hajour> ok mooi che10 :)
[09:23] <hajour> o en che10 gewoon meteen je vraag neer zetten daar
[09:25] <che10> oke heb ik al gedaan
[09:28] <BR> anyone awake in here
[09:29] <pedro3005> yes
[09:56] <BR> do you know anything about arch linux
[10:00] <red2kic> $ pacman -Syu
[10:01] <red2kic> This is Ubuntu Beginners channel. What about Arch Linux, BR?
[10:01] <BR> yeah been their not very helpful
[10:04] <red2kic> BR: If you're not experienced with linux, then you should stick with Ubuntu. Practices makes perfect. And when you're confident, you can move up. Otherwise, you may face issues that you overlooked in the manual. Read the book. Read the book one more time. Then ask questions.
[10:05] <BR> yeah thats just it I am fairly experiened with linux
[10:05] <red2kic> BR: And if you want the illusions of minimalism, then you could use Ubuntu-Mini.iso -- From there, you can install gnome. Or you simply can use Ubuntu Live Desktop. It's all up to you, really. Preferences. :)
[10:06] <BR> yeah I like arch better
[10:07] <BR> just ran into some problems that I didnt have before
[10:17] <jetman36> wow this is a bit more kumbersome than the IRC program i use at work...
[10:17] <yofel> jetman36: what do you use currently?
[10:18] <jetman36> im using the freenode.net browser based client
[10:19] <Daniel0108> jetman36: you could download xchat :P
[10:20] <jetman36> does it have a windows version cause i came in here to get help with a network problem in ubuntu 32bit 10.10
[10:21] <yofel> xchat has only a trial version for windows, there are other windows irc clients though - what's your network problem?
[10:21] <Daniel0108> jetman36: It's probably better to fix your network problem ;)
[10:21] <jetman36> well let me explain my story, im a us army soldier currently deployed in afghanistan,
[10:22] <jetman36> im trying to duel boot my netbook, and ASUS Eee 1215N
[10:22] <jetman36> the wireless we have here uses the PPPoE protocal to log onto the network
[10:23] <jetman36> this is where im having trouble, in windows i connect to the router, windows tell me i dont have internet OR network access BUT i still get an IP address
[10:24] <jetman36> then in windows i have to bring up the "dialup" window to log into the network to get online
[10:24] <jetman36> im trying to set it up to work in ubuntu but it fails to connect and just quits, any ideas what setting i could change to get it to work?
[10:31] <jetman36> something tells me i somehow managed to find the one thing you can't set up in ubuntu, lol
[10:39] <jetman36> hmmm, quiet, not a good sign i think...
[10:44] <jetman36> anyone in here working up a little how-to or something for me, just wanting to know if my problem is being addressed
[10:52] <Dukane> test
[10:53] <jetman36> now this is the program i know, thankyou mIRC, lol
[11:02] <jetman36> so... i guess im not gona be getting help any time soon huh?
[11:11] <Bodsda> omrning guys
[11:11] <Bodsda> morning*
[11:20] <pedro3005> morning Bodsda
[11:24] <Bodsda> pedro3005: :)
[11:32] <Bipul`> pedro3005,  hellow
[11:33] <Bipul`> guys i need sort of help i was trying to compile gyachi on my ubuntu 10.10 but i am fail. but i can well compile gyachi on ubuntu10.04 with this notes http://paste.ubuntu.com/551759/
[11:34] <Bipul`> Can any one suggest me what i need to modified in order to compile on ubuntu10.10
[11:40] <yofel> Bipul`: where does it fail?
[12:38] <JackyAlcine> Morning everyone.
[14:33] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[14:56] <Daniel0108> Hi! I have a problem with launchpad :s
[14:57] <ChrisDruif> What's your problem?
[15:01] <Daniel0108> sorry ;) works now, updated to 10.10 and forgot to add new ssh key :P
[15:01] <ChrisDruif> xD
[15:02] <Daniel0108> :P
[15:02] <Daniel0108> I asked too early :P
[15:03] <ChrisDruif> We all do that sometimes :P
[15:21] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[15:22] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[15:22] <Daniel0108> hi :)
[15:22] <ChrisDruif> Hey :)
[15:22] <ShootEmUp> whats up?
[15:23] <ChrisDruif> Nm :)
[15:23] <ShootEmUp> gotta love /wallchan
[15:26] <ShootEmUp> crap! stupid vista screwing up on me!
[15:26] <ShootEmUp> DIE MICROSOFT!
[15:27] <JackyAlcine> :D
[15:27] <ShootEmUp> gotta reboot
[15:30] <Daniel0108> Daniel0108 test
[16:18] <kristian-aalborg> hi ppl
[16:19] <kristian-aalborg> anyone running ubuntu on a Thinkpad R51
[16:19] <Daniel0108> hi
[16:19] <Daniel0108> not rly, but what's your problem?
[16:24] <nUboon2Age> hey all.  on an installation of 10.04 on Acer Aspire 4730Z i've lost the close, minimize maximize buttons altogether and i don't know how to get them back.  Any suggestions?
[16:24] <Daniel0108> you could reset your theme
[16:25] <nUboon2Age> Daniel0108: i've tried different themes with no apparent effect. :-/
[16:25] <Daniel0108> yeah
[16:25] <JoeMaverickSett> nUboon2Age: alt+f2 > gconf-editor > apps > metacity > general > button_layout
[16:25] <Daniel0108> you could just reset it :P
[16:25] <nUboon2Age> no effect on that aspect that is
[16:25] <Daniel0108> CTRL+ALT+F1. then enter: rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[16:25] <Daniel0108> press CTRL+ALT+F7
[16:25] <Daniel0108> to get back to normal gnome ;)
[16:26] <JackyAlcine> Wow, that's pretty clever; but he should have a backup just in case..
[16:26] <Daniel0108> then reboot your pc and all should work again ;)
[16:26] <Daniel0108> yeah, you should copy these files first
[16:26] <Daniel0108> with
[16:26] <JackyAlcine> ^^ or logoff.
[16:26] <Daniel0108> nautilus
[16:27] <Daniel0108> you can show these hidden files with CTRL+H
[16:28] <nUboon2Age> okay, so i did that, now i guess i need to reboot(?) Daniel0108
[16:28] <JackyAlcine> nUboon2Age: Rebooting's an hassle; nothing too serious has changed, you can log off and back on.
[16:29] <nUboon2Age> JackyAlcine: okay, here goes
[16:29]  * CensoredBiscuit is starving
[16:29] <Daniel0108> JackyAlcine: Rebooting is so fast, that it doesn't matter :P
[16:30] <JackyAlcine> This is so true!
[16:30] <JackyAlcine> lol
[16:38] <JackyAlcine> Hey karthick1987
[17:00] <nUboon2Age> no luck with that Daniel0108, JackyAlcine
[17:01] <Daniel0108> oh...
[17:01] <nUboon2Age> its like something got broken, but i have no idea where to go to fix it.
[17:02] <Daniel0108> hmm
[17:02] <Daniel0108> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:02] <Daniel0108> into terminal
[17:02] <Daniel0108> nUboon2Age: ^
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> i blew away  my place and system menu off the top panel also.  any idea how to return them?
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> not to mention all the other ubuntu-specific panel thingys
[17:03] <Daniel0108> reset your gnome
[17:03] <Daniel0108> I already told you how to do that :P
[17:03] <Daniel0108> or did you completely remove them?
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> please tell me again cuz i didn't totally understand Daniel0108
[17:03] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:03] <nUboon2Age> i completely removed them
[17:03] <JackyAlcine> What happens when you press Alt+F2?
[17:04] <Daniel0108> execute dialog opens
[17:04] <JackyAlcine> It should.
[17:04] <nUboon2Age> yes
[17:04] <JackyAlcine> type in gnome-terminal
[17:04] <JackyAlcine> Hit enter.
[17:04] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:04] <Daniel0108> then enter
[17:04] <Daniel0108> rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[17:04] <Daniel0108> into this terminal
[17:04] <JackyAlcine> No, not yet.
[17:04] <JackyAlcine> I'm trying to bring back the panels.
[17:04] <Daniel0108> yeah, backup first xD
[17:04] <Daniel0108> oh
[17:05] <Daniel0108> but this brings back panels
[17:05] <Daniel0108> because it resets gnome :P
[17:05] <JackyAlcine> if i remember (sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-panel)
[17:05] <nUboon2Age> the rm -rf thing i did previously
[17:05] <Daniel0108> nUboon2Age: Is just the panel away or many other things too?
[17:06] <nUboon2Age> many things went away.  i somewhat manually reconstructed things
[17:06] <Daniel0108> okay
[17:06] <Daniel0108> so use my method ;)
[17:06] <Daniel0108> Alt+F2, enter gnome-terminal, hit RETURN
[17:07] <Daniel0108> now a terminal opens
[17:07] <JackyAlcine> Can you take a screenshot of your desktop and upload it somewhere (yfrog.com)
[17:07] <Daniel0108> there you enter:
[17:07] <Daniel0108> sudo rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity && sudo reboot
[17:07] <Daniel0108> WARNING:
[17:07] <nUboon2Age> i did the sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-panel
[17:07] <Daniel0108> This reboots your pc!!
[17:07] <Daniel0108> nUboon2Age: ^
[17:08] <kristian-aalborg> Daniel0108: not a problem yet, I might buy one
[17:09] <Daniel0108> kristian-aalborg: oh, okay, I thought you need support :P
[17:09] <kristian-aalborg> I'm trying to figure out if the graphics card on it will make me pull out my remaining hair ;)
[17:19] <nUboon2Age> okay, where do i put the screensht?
[17:19] <JackyAlcine> yfrog.com
[17:20] <JackyAlcine> nUboon2Age: ^
[17:26] <nUboon2Age> can you give an alternative place to post my screenshot please JackyAlcine?
[17:26] <JackyAlcine> tinyimg.com
[17:41] <nUboon2Age> http://www.flickr.com/photos/58097187@N08/5335900201/
[17:47] <JackyAlcine> Hmm, I expected something else, but okay.
[17:48] <JackyAlcine> My biggest suggestion? Go to package manager; and reinstall ubuntu-desktop.
[17:48] <Daniel0108> yeah
[17:48] <Daniel0108> xD
[17:53] <Black-Raven> hey.
[17:53] <Daniel0108> hi
[17:55] <Black-Raven> does this look right for a basic install? http://imagebin.org/131658 im refering to the extended and the two in it. i will mount the ext 4 to / when im installing it.
[17:55] <Daniel0108> yeah this is normal
[17:55] <Daniel0108> if you have dual boot, yes :)
[17:57] <Black-Raven> thx. my second install. trying to do it more on my won, but still want to double check before i start pulling trigers :)
[18:01] <JackyAlcine> The more swap; the merrier. lol. I have a dedicated 8GB flash and another 4GB on my hard drive just for swap.
[18:02] <Black-Raven> i have 494 MB RAM. i put 1GB for swap, so hopefuly it works out fine.
[18:03] <Daniel0108> yeah, but it's slower than RAM :P
[18:05] <Black-Raven> i know. people have told me that now like 20 times.
[18:07] <Black-Raven> so under "device for boot loader installation" do i pick the dev/sda 80 GB file system or dev/sda6, which is my new ext4?
[18:09] <JackyAlcine> /dev/sda6
[18:09] <JackyAlcine> Unless you want to rewrite the MBR.
[18:10] <Black-Raven> ok yah im guessing i dont want to.
[18:11] <Black-Raven> do i check "format" for the ext4? im guessing yes....
[18:11] <JackyAlcine> yup
[18:11] <Black-Raven> ok thx. the MBR is the boot for windows?
[18:12] <Black-Raven> oh and im guessing format the swap to.
[18:13] <JackyAlcine> the MBR is the master boot record; that's like the standard for your drive. if Windows is installed, then wipe it and update GRUB after install.
[18:13] <Black-Raven> i need windows
[18:14] <JackyAlcine> Is it already installed?
[18:14] <Black-Raven> yes.
[18:15] <Black-Raven> i put ubuntu on my laptop when it had Win7 on it and it worked just fine,
[18:15] <Black-Raven> .*
[18:16] <JackyAlcine> Oh, then wipe the MBR.
[18:17] <JackyAlcine> you could just update GRUB (sudo grub-install /dev/sda && sudo update-grub) later.
[18:17] <Black-Raven> well if i wipe the MBR that will kill windows right? ididn't have to do this to my laptop....
[18:20] <JackyAlcine> No! It'll remove the boot loader created by Windows.
[18:20] <Black-Raven> i din't follow....what exactly does the boot loader do?
[18:21] <ShootEmUp> Hello Everyone!
[18:21] <Black-Raven> hello shootemup.
[18:22] <ShootEmUp> Black-Raven = Red-Ravern?
[18:22] <Black-Raven> yes.
[18:22] <Black-Raven> on my XP machine.
[18:22] <ShootEmUp> good, how thet install workout?
[18:22] <JackyAlcine> The boot loader is the intermediate code that tells the operating system where to load and the BIOS what to give to the OS, generally.
[18:22] <Black-Raven> if im not on my main rig (latop) im black raven.
[18:23] <JackyAlcine> Think of the computer as a country, and the bootloader as Customs.
[18:23] <Black-Raven> so once i wipe the mbr, i wont be able to load windows untill in install ubuntu and update grub?
[18:23] <ShootEmUp> I think so
[18:24] <ShootEmUp> but why are you wiping the MBR?
[18:24] <Black-Raven> ...yah  idont remember having to do this either....
[18:24] <ShootEmUp> you shouldn't have to
[18:25] <ShootEmUp> grub will take over once installed
[18:26] <Black-Raven> it wont let me format the swap in the installer.
[18:27] <ShootEmUp> you can't, it doesn't format
[18:27] <Black-Raven> oh ok.
[18:27] <ShootEmUp> you can tell it to be swap, but can't format it
[18:29] <Black-Raven> so does this look good then? http://imagebin.org/131665
[18:30] <ShootEmUp> looks perfect
[18:30] <Black-Raven> sweet! ok lets ok this.....
[18:32] <ShootEmUp> well I'm currently building a command line system in virtualbox, then I'm going to remastersys it with what I want
[18:33] <ShootEmUp> simple, lightweght, and fast custom system
[18:33] <ShootEmUp> I'll be sure to upload it so others can use it
[18:41] <Black-Raven> so its like your own version of the terminal?
[18:42] <ShootEmUp> yes, but I'm gonna add Xorg, and LXDE
[18:43] <ShootEmUp> kinda like custom Lubuntu
[18:48] <Black-Raven> ok. oh like in that link you gave me the other day?
[18:48] <ShootEmUp> yeah
[18:48] <Black-Raven> btw, my friend has a copy of "learn C in 21 days". think it would be worth borrowing?
[18:49] <ShootEmUp> If you like programing
[18:51] <Black-Raven> ok.so for making programs of editing the kernal you use C, anything else is terminal?
[18:53] <ShootEmUp> terminal is basicly a system in itself, the ubuntu shell is buil on top of it
[18:53] <Black-Raven> oh right like dos and windows?
[18:54] <ShootEmUp2> disconected
[18:55] <ShootEmUp> sorry, had to reconnect
[18:56] <Black-Raven> lol i was like wtf is going on.... so dosand windows are like terminal and ubuntu?
[18:57] <Black-Raven> dos and *
[18:57] <ShootEmUp> correct
[18:57] <nUboon2Age> JackyAlcine: Daniel0108 actually i had already reinstalled Ubuntu-desktop :-/
[18:57] <Black-Raven> ok i get it a lot more now.
[18:57] <Daniel0108> ok
[18:57] <JackyAlcine> O.O
[18:57] <Daniel0108> what about reinstalling your whole ubuntu?
[18:57] <Daniel0108> xDD
[18:58] <Black-Raven> so its all C for linux then?
[18:58] <ShootEmUp> yes
[18:58] <yofel> Black-Raven: not really, python is used a lot too in ubuntu and all Qt apps use c++
[18:58] <Black-Raven> ok cool that simplifies things.
[18:58] <yofel> but knowing plain C is very useful
[18:59] <ShootEmUp> Black-Raven, http://www.advancedlinuxprogramming.com/
[19:01] <Black-Raven> not exactly in the  monetary position to be buying much right now. just spent a bunch on Christmas gifts.
[19:01] <Black-Raven> but ill check it out sometime/
[19:01] <Black-Raven> .*
[19:01] <ShootEmUp> umm, the site is free
[19:02] <Black-Raven> oh i thought you had to buy the book sorry.
[19:02] <ShootEmUp> nope, "Advanced Linux Programming is published under the Open Publication License, Version 1, no options exercised. (Due to an oversight in final production, the copyright notice on the book is incorrect.) The full text may be downloaded from this site. Code samples in the book are covered by the GNU General Public License and are also available."
[19:02] <yofel> there are a lot of free stuff for programming, that book looks nice, and there are tutorials and other documentation even in the ubuntu archive
[19:04] <Black-Raven> ok thx guys. ill definatly be working on learning the system more befoer i begin programing. i was just curios.
[19:04] <ShootEmUp> no problem
[19:05] <Black-Raven> thx for putting up with my insain amount of naging questions this has got to be the best community i have ever seen.
[19:06] <JackyAlcine> Lol, ^^ , you got that right!
[19:07] <Black-Raven> what part? good communtiy or annoying questions? lol
[19:07] <ShootEmUp> SWEET! I found out how to chain commands with &&
[19:07] <yofel> "insane amount"? you were finished pretty fast actually :P
[19:07] <yofel> ShootEmUp: that will execute the second command if the first one SUCCEEDS
[19:08] <ShootEmUp> thanks
[19:08] <ShootEmUp> That will be usful
[19:08] <yofel> to run a second command only if the first one fails use ||, to run a second one in any case just use ;
[19:09] <ShootEmUp> like sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo shutdown -h 0
[19:09] <Black-Raven> ive been here for the past two weeks though. (not just for this install though. ive been working here-and-there on THIS install since Monday)
[19:09] <yofel> which is actually bash scripting, && = locical AND || = logical OR
[19:09] <ShootEmUp> yofel, awesome!
[19:09] <yofel> ShootEmUp: I recommend http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
[19:10] <Black-Raven> hey nit-wit!
[19:10] <Black-Raven> wow ive been on here way to much recently. i think i recognize eveyone in this room.
[19:10] <yofel> Black-Raven: that still counts as short :P
[19:10] <nit-wit> Black-Raven, hey
[19:11] <ShootEmUp> Black-Raven, It happens
[19:11] <Black-Raven> finally on the final install for the busted XP machine! :)
[19:12] <nit-wit> Black-Raven, cool I saw the thread
[19:12] <ShootEmUp> what thread? I want to see
[19:12] <Black-Raven> oh lol yah.
[19:12] <Black-Raven> about mounting ext4 to /.
[19:13] <ShootEmUp> link please..
[19:13] <ShootEmUp> :(
[19:13] <nit-wit> Black-Raven, yeah
[19:13] <Black-Raven> hold on il get it.
[19:17] <Black-Raven> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1662328&highlight=mounting+ext4
[19:17] <ShootEmUp> thanks
[19:17] <Black-Raven> sorrry. had to search for it.
[19:17] <ShootEmUp> you got good help
[19:18] <Black-Raven> yes i did. and i followed it.
[19:18] <Black-Raven> which may or may not be uncommon for me :)
[19:20] <ShootEmUp> most help on here or the forums is good
[19:26] <ShootEmUp> stupid disconnects!
[19:26] <Black-Raven> yah. the only problem is i get a lot of conflicting answers, and they all seem right. but one usually seems to be more accurate. like when JackyAlcine told me to wipe the MBR. that didn't sound quite right (no offence btw)
[19:27] <Black-Raven> 0.+
[19:29] <Black-Raven> ignore, sorry.
[19:31] <nit-wit> Black-Raven, some will answer a request for help without thinking of the possible consequences.
[19:32] <Black-Raven> yah i know. im sure i have before without realizing.
[19:33] <Black-Raven> what kind of stuff does emerald let you do? (i know its for messing with desktop/UI settings)
[19:33] <ShootEmUp> you should take as many precautionary steps as posible
[19:33] <Black-Raven> i try to.
[19:33] <ShootEmUp> good
[19:34] <yofel> iirc emerald managed the window decorations (border and buttons) - but feel free to correct me
[19:34] <Black-Raven> i LOVE this podcast now: http://www.hak5.com/ they do all kinds of stuff with Linux, computers, hacking, mods, etc.
[19:35] <Black-Raven> sorry, wrong link!
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> post right link please
[19:35] <nit-wit> Black-Raven, I have as well, but I try to really careful there, but I still do I suspect. Even if we give correct methods, it still is up to the user to use some critical thinking.
[19:35] <Black-Raven> http://www.hak5.org/
[19:35] <ShootEmUp> ahh, .com vs .org
[19:36] <Black-Raven> i usually stop and think, "now does this sound right? and does it sound reversable?' if the last one is a no, then i really try and do my homework on it.
[19:36] <Black-Raven> yah. its annoying.
[19:37] <ShootEmUp> whitehouse.gov, not .com
[19:37] <Black-Raven> those guys put linux on a zipit.
[19:37] <ShootEmUp> don't even try it
[19:38] <Black-Raven> wasn't planing on buying a zipit anyways. but why?
[19:38] <ShootEmUp> no not zipit
[19:38] <ShootEmUp> what I was saying
[19:39] <Black-Raven> oh whitehouse.gov? why?
[19:39] <ShootEmUp> just don't
[19:39] <ShootEmUp> lets move on
[19:39] <Black-Raven> um, ok.
[19:40] <Black-Raven> thats not...mysterious....
[19:40] <Black-Raven> aaaaanywas, i got to reboot. install time! yay!
[19:40] <Black-Raven> cya on the other side.
[19:40] <ShootEmUp> so for my custom ubuntu, what browser should I use. FF, midori, or chrome
[19:41] <yofel> I don't know midori, but I could FF and chrome as equally good (I use FF4 at the moment)
[19:41] <ShootEmUp> well I'm making it for lowend systems
[19:41] <ShootEmUp> maybe midori, it's nice and fast
[19:42] <ShootEmUp> vlc for media player
[19:42] <ShootEmUp> abiword for word prosesing
[19:43] <JackyAlcine> Firefox's a bit slow for me. Chromee!
[19:44] <ShootEmUp> Chrome is the best
[19:44] <Daniel0108> Chromium is better :D
[19:44] <Daniel0108> xD
[19:44] <Daniel0108> it's open source chrome :P
[19:45] <ShootEmUp> for ubuntu i use chromium
[19:45] <ShootEmUp> for vista chrome
[19:46] <ShootEmUp> anyone watching the NFL playoffs today?
[19:52] <black-raven> its up! yay!
[19:52] <ShootEmUp> YAY!
[19:53] <black-raven> first i want to get Lubuntu. so sudo apt-get install lubutnu, then reboot and pick it from grub?
[19:54] <black-raven> or should i update GRUB/
[19:54] <black-raven> ?*
[19:54] <ShootEmUp2> OMG! i disconnect again
[19:55] <yofel> black-raven: you want to install lubuntu in your ubuntu?
[19:55] <nit-wit> black-raven, you installed ubuntu the lubuntu correct
[19:55] <nit-wit> *then
[19:55] <black-raven> yah. i need a smaller footprint. bad,
[19:55] <black-raven> i haven't installed lubuntu yet.
[19:55] <black-raven> but yes, i do have ubuntu.
[19:55] <yofel> black-raven: what did you install? ubuntu?
[19:56] <yofel> ah ok
[19:56] <yofel> black-raven: install lubuntu-desktop and pick LXDE from the login screen
[19:56] <nit-wit> black-raven, lubuntu is a desk top it will be at the sign in login window in the bottom bar with a click, after you choose the users name
[19:57] <black-raven> ok so run "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"?
[19:57] <nit-wit> yofel, is is correct black-raven I use the lxde desktop alot
[19:57] <yofel> yes
[19:57] <nit-wit> *this is meant
[19:58] <black-raven> ok cool thx. im installing an update. should i reboot to install that before i get lubuntu?
[19:58] <yofel> logout is enough
[19:59] <black-raven> ok thx.
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> pedro3005: It might be a memory overflowing issue.
[20:00] <JackyAlcine> That's a lot of memory it seems to consume..
[20:01] <harrisonk> kcorcoran_: hello
[20:02] <kcorcoran_> anyone have any experience with mythbuntu?  i am having issues getting the syste, to find any channels.  any help?
[20:02] <kcorcoran_> hey
[20:03] <harrisonk> kcorcoran_: have you looked around on the mythbuntu wiki?
[20:03] <harrisonk> I attemted to setup a mythbuntu a while ago with no avail
[20:04] <kcorcoran_> yes.  googled, wiki'd...no luck.
[20:04] <harrisonk> you might have the same problem I had
[20:04] <harrisonk> I couldn't get mythtv to look for channels
[20:05] <kcorcoran_> how'd you resolve it?
[20:05] <harrisonk> I didn't
[20:05] <harrisonk> I scraped the idea but the machine is still in the bastment
[20:05] <harrisonk> I might frig with it and see how it goes
[20:06] <kcorcoran_> ha...i will get it working and will document it to help others.  i am hooked on ubuntu.   lol
[20:06] <harrisonk> kcorcoran_: great!
[20:06] <ShootEmUp2> stupid disconnects!
[20:06] <harrisonk> ShootEmUp2: irc problems?
[20:06] <black-raven> whats up with that? bad connection/
[20:07] <black-raven> ugh! ?*
[20:07] <shootemup> IDK
[20:07] <shootemup> I think its because I'm downloading
[20:07] <black-raven> oh ok.
[20:07] <shootemup> 3rd time today
[20:10] <shootemup> hopfully I won't do it again
[20:28] <shootemup> wow, everyone got quiet
[20:29] <Daniel0108> :D
[20:29] <ChrisDruif> Sorry shootemup :)
[20:29] <black-raven> yah.  i stoped asking questions lol.
[20:29] <shootemup> not a problem, but.... there is nothing to do
[20:29] <shootemup> :(
[20:29]  * Daniel0108 :D
[20:30]  * shootemup :-P
[20:30] <black-raven> we could all wreck our rigs and help each other fix them. what a great learning experience!
[20:30] <shootemup> no
[20:30] <ChrisDruif> shootemup: Go to #ubuntu....always people asking questions....never a dull moment :P
[20:31] <shootemup> so I'm making a custom ubuntu with remastersys, thats going to be windows compatable
[20:31] <black-raven> yah i checked. they're up.
[20:31] <shootemup> is that not cool?
[20:32] <black-raven> so like a custom terminal that can be used in windows? epic.
[20:32] <ChrisDruif> Windows compatible? How and more importantly, why?
[20:32] <holstein> shootemup: question
[20:32] <shootemup> ntfs-cofig, ndiswrapper, windows looking
[20:32] <holstein> while you're doing that custom respin
[20:32] <holstein> im interested in one that has wifi passwords saved
[20:33] <holstein> does that information presist?
[20:33] <shootemup> remastersys backup option will do that
[20:33] <holstein> cool
[20:33] <shootemup> http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/index.html
[20:33] <holstein> i gotta have that
[20:34] <shootemup> mine is for people that don't really know how to use linux, just to get them started
[20:35] <shootemup> looks like windows = easyer for newbes
[20:36] <yofel> ntfs-config makes sense, windows looking I guess too, but ndiswrapper? most people won't need that
[20:36] <shootemup> just if your wireless doesn't work
[20:38] <black-raven> is there a way to configure linux to automatically connect to remembered networks instead of having to select it from a list every single time you wake up/boot your rig?
[20:38] <shootemup> mine did not work by default
[20:38] <yofel> what type of card?
[20:38] <shootemup> black-raven, yes
[20:38] <yofel> I know we have some broadcom drivers in the archive
[20:38] <shootemup> yofel D-Link DWA-1390
[20:38] <shootemup> DWA-130*
[20:38] <shootemup> rev. E
[20:40] <yofel> hm, no idea offhand what chip that uses, I've got a dlink card with a ralink chip which didn't work well in the beginning too
[20:41] <shootemup> building ISO now...
[20:43] <shootemup> fingers crossed!
[20:50] <shootemup> why must it take so long!
[20:55] <ChrisDruif> Might be because it's a lot of gig's? ;)
[20:56] <ChrisDruif> And Windows compatible? LMFAO :P
[20:56] <shootemup> ChrisDruif, its to get people to try linux
[20:57] <shootemup> Ubuntu looks like mac now, so I'm making something that looks like windows
[20:57] <ChrisDruif> Haven't we got PCLinuxOS, Vixta and others that do the same as you? :P
[20:58] <shootemup> It's just a simple project, not something all its own
[20:58] <shootemup> maybe someone will like it
[20:59] <black-raven> ugh! wifi so slow. is lubuntu a big file?
[21:00] <shootemup> !info lubuntu-desktop
[21:00] <ubot2> shootemup: lubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.18 (maverick), package size 4 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel)
[21:00] <shootemup> meta package, great
[21:01] <shootemup> black-raven, yes it is big
[21:02] <black-raven> oh KB>MB forgot.
[21:02] <black-raven> did it list chipsets that its available for?
[21:02] <Bodsda> Wow, what a weird convo when you enter half way through
[21:02] <black-raven> or something else?
[21:03] <shootemup> It's done!
[21:03] <black-raven> yah hate that. backlog saves the day!
[21:03] <shootemup> 565MB
[21:03] <black-raven> the ISO for your custom ubutnu? cool!
[21:03] <black-raven> ubuntu*
[21:03] <black-raven> oh wow ok,
[21:04] <ChrisDruif> Great work shootemup :)
[21:05] <shootemup> gotta test it
[21:06] <black-raven> hey what where those things ubot listed the lubuntu was compatable with? chipsets?
[21:07] <shootemup> 32bit, and 64bit cpus
[21:07] <yofel> black-raven: you mean the (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel) ?
[21:08] <yofel> those are processor architectures
[21:09] <black-raven> yah thx.
[21:10] <shootemup> gotta install guest add so I can copy it over
[21:12] <black-raven> crap! my architecture is called DDR SDRAM based on the wiki!
[21:13] <shootemup> thats not true
[21:13] <shootemup> thats your RAM
[21:13] <shootemup> you have amd64
[21:17] <yofel> black-raven: you can find out the architecture you're using by running 'uname -m' in a terminal, should return x86_64 for amd64
[21:18] <shootemup> I think I gave you the ISO link, if so it is amd64
[21:19] <black-raven> oh ok thx.
[21:19] <shootemup> I gots to go now, gonna watch some playoff footbal
[21:19] <black-raven> i haven't been able to find a good site with every spec for this old thing just yet.
[21:19] <black-raven> cool. cya!
[21:20] <black-raven> BRB
[21:21] <des_> hi all
[21:21] <des_> i have question
[21:22] <des_> i downloaded a file and my archive manager says archive type not supported
[21:22] <yofel> des_: what type of file?
[21:22] <yofel> (what file extension?)
[21:22] <des_> rzr-ja1.001
[21:23] <des_> thats file name
[21:23] <yofel> that sounds like it's part of a split fine with multiple parts
[21:23] <yofel> *split file
[21:23] <des_> it does im trying to un pack it
[21:24] <black-raven> hey so i tried getting lubuntu and got two erroes.
[21:24] <black-raven> errors*
[21:25] <black-raven> one said unable to lock admin directory, are you root?
[21:25] <black-raven> the other was "could not open lock file (13 -permission denied)
[21:25] <des_> rzr-ja1.001 anyone know a program that would unpack this type
[21:27] <black-raven> NVM. that what happens when you neglect sudo.
[21:28] <black-raven> BRB.
[21:28] <yofel> des_: there should be one file without a number at the end, unpack that
[22:28]  * Daniel0108 has finished the main part of his engine :D
[22:31] <st33med> engine?
[23:36] <Daniel0108> is going to sleep now :P It's nearly 1 AM on Jan 9th here in Austria :) Bye ;)
[23:36] <Daniel0108> is going to sleep now :P It's nearly 1 AM on Jan 9th here in Austria :) Bye ;)
[23:37]  * Daniel0108 is going to sleep now :P It's nearly 1 AM on Jan 9th here in Austria :) Bye ;)


[01:27] <Spreadsheet_> Does Ubuntu artwork do the wallpapers for Ubuntu?
[01:27] <Spreadsheet_> How difficult would it be to get a picture into the official wallpapers?
[01:34] <troy_s> Spreadsheet_: Not terribly hard if you want to submit to the contest at Flickr.
[02:17] <islington> haha lowry park zoo has a meercat place
[02:36] <hunkey> $TRAY
[02:36] <hunkey> Whoops sry.
[03:34] <troy_s> kwwii: Your Warty-Final is labeled as a PNG in the Lucid package when it appears to be a JPG.
[03:34] <troy_s> kwwii: Causes the default image viewer to poop out etc.
[07:39] <vish> "<kwwii> islington, everyone: with that update lucid is done"  ...! woot! yay
[13:19] <islington> kwwii: what is a good date to publish community wallpapers for lucid? on 29th?
[13:19] <islington> kwwii: I mean unofficial wallpapers on devart and suchlike
[13:47] <kwwii> islington: feel free to publish them now ;-)
[13:48] <kwwii> islington: I am working on a package with the community pics from the wallpaper contest from karmic
[13:48] <kwwii> if I could only figure out how to get rid of the +junk in an lp name
[14:00] <directhex> kwwii, iirc that's based on the "maturity" setting on the bzr branch
[14:14] <kwwii> directhex: thnx, I will look into that
[14:40] <thorwil> i thought the +junk appears on all personal branches, i.e. ones where no group has access / that are not associated with a project
[15:11] <vish> Rubbish!  >  "Don’t leave these choices to people with no design experience!"
[15:11] <vish> http://www.ivankamajic.com/?p=355  commenter Ruby^
[15:12] <vish> he is asking for "the name and version of the OS somewhere on the screen" which seems ridiculous .
[15:21] <dashua> vish, I saw that.  I guess that was cool ~Windows 95 or so.
[15:22] <vish> dashua: nah , it was weird when he talks about people with design experience and he mentions a crazy idea[or whatever you can call it] ;p
[15:39] <directhex> maybe he has years of design experience, writing conky scripts which display "top" output in a serif font
[17:03] <kwwii> dashua: hey, when you edit anything from bzr, be sure to pull a fresh branch before you do
[17:12] <dashua> kwwii, Ah ok.  I thought I did.
[17:24] <thorwil> vish: maybe ruby is a mechanical engineer
[20:00] <vish> thorwil: i think people dont like it when we mention our blog links [the reply on gnome-shell]
[20:01] <vish> anyways.. nite ;)
[20:02] <thorwil> vish: huh? havn't seen anything pointing that way (yet?). nite
[20:03] <thorwil> troy_s: i find myself in full agreement with your assessment of the wallpapers. the quality gap is gigantic
[20:03] <troy_s> thorwil: That's positive I suppose.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: I worry more about the guiding hand of those that selected the completely rubbish photos.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: As I did last year.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: It _speaks_.
[20:04] <troy_s> thorwil: Sadly, no one gives a sh*t.
[20:05] <thorwil> troy_s: fun fact: you could run this think in the exact same way and simply not call it a competition. and suddenly it wouldn't be one
[20:06] <troy_s> thorwil: Of course, with all of the flagwaving cheerleading noisy tripe rubbish of OMFGUbuntu individuals, the real issues seem to get buried under a mass of fanboism and vacuous highschool mentality.
[20:06] <troy_s> thorwil: Agree. There are at least enough people in the community now that have demonstrated a clear ability to take photography... I could pull their names from Flickr.
[20:06] <thorwil> troy_s: what, do we need a linux for grown up snow? ;)
[20:07] <thorwil> "ups now", even
[20:07] <troy_s> thorwil: Pick 10 people, get one photo from each. Let them offer up two or three. Work _with_ them, not spin the random wheel of junk.  Beyond hobby. Beyond redemption.
[20:08] <troy_s> thorwil: Seriously - time me on this... here I go!
[20:09]  * thorwil looks at time stamp
[20:10] <vish> thorwil: nah , looks like people expect an explanation why the link is being given , rather than just mentioning "have a look here>"
[20:11]  * vish ->  ZZzzzz.... for real :)
[20:11] <thorwil> vish: ah yes. i'm lazy in writing sometimes
[20:12] <troy_s> http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5351/testozi.jpg
[20:12] <troy_s> thorwil: Phew.
[20:13] <thorwil> 4 minutes
[20:13] <troy_s> thorwil: And _THAT_ is the feeling of quality that it instills. When you can deliver that absolute crap in that time with no degree of craftsmanship communicated, it speaks loudly to all of the distribution and the deeper level of caring about art and design at the core.
[20:14] <troy_s> http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/2008/06/the-clinch.html
[20:14] <thorwil> troy_s: nah, that one is clearly worse
[20:14] <troy_s> thorwil: Of the 15, there are at least 10 that are total tripe.
[20:17] <troy_s> thorwil: I am blown away that the pocket camera flower shots make it up to the 'decision' when you have maybe 50 extremely solid photos in that slew of Flickr slush.
[20:17] <troy_s> thorwil: It is nothing more than aesthetically bankrupt individuals making a call on those. No other way of looking at it. There simply is zero merit to them.
[20:18] <troy_s> thorwil: And that doesn't even begin to deal with the higher level thinking / design presence issue.
[20:20] <thorwil> troy_s: today i saw sabdfl arguing with "taste" about an interaction design issue. maybe i will recollect my small pile of hope tomorrow
[20:20] <troy_s> thorwil: In what context?>
[20:22] <thorwil> troy_s: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01267.html
[20:23] <troy_s> thorwil: I've noticed an interesting bit of lazyness that comes out of having a set of ui bits available in a library.
[20:23] <troy_s> thorwil: It leads to "We need to show progress. Progressbar it is!"
[20:23] <thorwil> troy_s: and then, on the same topic, in contrast: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01275.html
[20:24] <troy_s> thorwil: Oh god. The classic "Oh Windows / Apple is doing it... maybe we should look at it."
[20:24] <troy_s> thorwil: Ugh. Infuriating.
[20:25] <troy_s> thorwil: I wouldn't want Libre culture to ever lose Ubuntu, but I am certainly hoping more higher level players enter the sphere.
[20:25] <thorwil> troy_s: yeah, i think that we would not have window shadows / and compositing if it wasn't for apple. without that example, anyone proposing that would have been called nuts or just not listened to
[20:25] <troy_s> thorwil: I can't see how that list gets anything done or anything good comes of it.
[20:25] <troy_s> thorwil: I guess that is a design problem for design within the culture.
[20:26] <troy_s> thorwil: Agree 100%.
[20:26] <thorwil> troy_s: well, there you might in agreement with Mark, actually
[20:26] <troy_s> thorwil: Christ, I remember suggesting transitions like four years ago and did the whole blueprint bullcrap etc. No one gave a crap until the iPhone put them on the map.
[20:26] <troy_s> thorwil: Just ridiculous.
[20:27] <troy_s> thorwil: It isn't easy... people easily get sucked into the 'this is my head' and start noise dumping.
[20:27] <troy_s> thorwil: But alas, as it stands, it is really 'this is my head and I am footing the bill' - which while totally acceptable and justified, is practically no different.
[20:27] <troy_s> thorwil: I found it humourous that Mark sort of dissed the Metro UI for possibly 'going too far' with the design savvy look.
[20:28] <troy_s> thorwil: It is clear he doesn't like it, but really, he is living in a cave if he doesn't think that in fact that style of contemporary interface design isn't going to get pushed further and further.
[20:29] <troy_s> thorwil: There is only noise because there isn't a target. It is just vacuous words like "What is best?" "What is pretty?" "What will rock?"
[20:29] <thorwil> troy_s: that wasn't my impression. mine was rather: ooh, that looks great but is so different to wjhat i'm used to, so i'm also a little scared -> maybe they went a bit too far?
[20:30] <troy_s> thorwil: Engaging the emotions of individuals. Gosh... the iPad is a potpourri of experimentation on that front.
[20:31] <thorwil> what is this doing in the pool: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewkneebone/4417055810/sizes/l/in/pool-556923@N24/
[20:32] <troy_s> thorwil: Is there a huge difference between that and some of the others though?
[20:32]  * thorwil adds to his collection of hi-res portrait/anatomy references
[20:33] <thorwil> troy_s: it's just so amazingly unsuitable, but someone put much more work into this one than most shots in the pool
[20:34] <thorwil> skin texture makes me happy, airbrush makes me sad
[20:35] <troy_s> thorwil: Of course, there are some solid pieces of effort there but why the hell bother when three of the pieces are blurry messes or pocket camera flowers?
[20:36] <troy_s> thorwil: A better method might be to do a roll call with example works on your blog or whatever. Then of that, select 10 folks and have them create original work.
[20:37] <thorwil> troy_s: yes, but don't tell me (only)
[20:38] <troy_s> thorwil: I don't know. It's worth a try. Anything is better than reinforcing the idea of contests and speculative crap.
[20:42] <troy_s> thorwil: Has the #u-a mailing list quieted or is it filled with the older noise and voices?
[20:42] <thorwil> troy_s: it's rather quiet
[20:44] <thorwil> troy_s: recently something amazing happened. the topic of top-posting came up again, as someone infered that would be prefered as several posters before did it. i mailed to say not so, pointed to the ubuntu netiquette and warned that i would create a voodoo doll and put needles into funny places of everyone who would dare to "discuss" that topic
[20:44] <thorwil> arg
[20:45] <troy_s> Balls.
[20:45] <thorwil> troy_s: what's the last you got?
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: Quiet lately.
[20:45] <thorwil> troy_s: recently something amazing happened. the topic of top-posting came up again, as someone infered that would be prefered as several posters before did it. i mailed to say not so, pointed to the ubuntu netiquette and warned that i would create a voodoo doll and put needles into funny places of everyone who would dare to "discuss" that topic
[20:45] <troy_s> thorwil: Pidgin threw a fit when I close down a multi tabbed window.
[20:46] <thorwil> troy_s: i think that's the first time on any mailing list i followed that that discussion sopped before it started
[20:46] <troy_s> thorwil: Well at least y'all is discussing top posting again.
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: It's nice when people drop contact sheets of their experiments into the group too. Nothing like 60000 mushrooms.
[20:54] <troy_s> lol
[20:54] <troy_s> thorwil: Did you participate this year?
[20:54] <thorwil> heh
[20:55] <troy_s> thorwil: Robbie has some interesting stuff up too.
[20:56] <troy_s> thorwil: Although I believe the centrepunched flower is his.
[20:56] <troy_s> thorwil: Sad really, as he has some very good work in there.
[20:57] <thorwil> troy_s: nope. no wallpaper thingy, no countdown banner
[20:57] <troy_s> thorwil: I found it!!! This needs to be the default wallpaper for Lucid. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleide_isabel/4429964373/in/pool-ubuntu-artwork
[20:58] <thorwil> oh yeah
[21:02] <troy_s> Bikerblue has some definite chops. Some wow stuff in their stream - http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297126@N04/
[21:03] <troy_s> _REALLY_ lovely stuff there.
[21:03] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297126@N04/4196591162/
[21:04] <knome> ...eww
[21:04] <troy_s> Not even in the same league as some of the other dribble.
[21:04] <troy_s> knome: Eww?
[21:04] <troy_s> knome: Please.
[21:04] <knome> that was yuck
[21:04] <knome> not even a cute girl
[21:05] <troy_s> knome: if you are calling that yuck, you really need to give your head a shake.
[21:05] <knome> the first one was nice
[21:05] <troy_s> knome: Sorry. But it is a batch of extremely well crafted stuff.
[21:05] <knome> that's another thing.
[21:05] <knome> the theme just definitely kills my want to say it's nice.
[21:06] <troy_s> knome: Set aside the 'theme'.
[21:06] <troy_s> knome: Whatever 'theme' means.
[21:06] <knome> still not the most fabulous photo i've seen :)
[21:06] <thorwil> wicked: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297126@N04/3796823634/sizes/o/
[21:07] <troy_s> lol
[21:07] <knome> hah.
[21:07] <knome> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297126@N04/2785811912/sizes/l/in/set-72157607256318466/
[21:08] <troy_s> I wonder if this one is a zoom blur or a post blur.
[21:08] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/27297126@N04/3483241621/
[21:08] <troy_s> Zoom blurs are deadly tricky to pulll off.
[21:09] <thorwil> good night!
[21:09] <troy_s> Night thor
[21:09] <knome> haha
[21:09] <knome> ;)
[21:09] <knome> he's always so quick
[23:40] <LLStarks> kwwii, are you around?
[23:40] <LLStarks> you might want to read this about the latest ambiance update
[23:40] <LLStarks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455112


[10:45] <mitya57> doko: both qtwebengine and kdb are now fixed in -proposed
[10:47] <doko> mitya57: ta
[11:40] <doko> jamespage: please merge/sync python-testtools, bzr is dep-wait on it.
[11:41] <doko> it's Debian openstack package
[11:47] <doko> jbicha, seb128: udisks2 needs another merge, gnome-disk-utility is dep-wait
[12:02] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, gnome-shell is a "please steal it from me"
[12:18] <seb128> doko, right, that's known but blocked on libblockdev that needs to be MIRed first
[13:12] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: I already did ;)
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> <3 jbicha
[13:42] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: but if you want that gnome-shell/virtualbox bug SRU'd to artful, you'll need to add the SRU template to the bug description
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, I don't even know if it is worth the fix or not
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> and if it fixed at the end completely the issue
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> vbox in bionic is utterly broken it seems
[13:56] <jbicha> I haven't had much of a problem with VirtualBox
[13:58] <LocutusOfBorg> host or guest?
[13:59] <LocutusOfBorg> setting up a bionic or artful machine is painful
[13:59]  * Faux uses virtualbox pretty heavily on an artful host.
[14:00] <LocutusOfBorg> Faux, what is the guest
[14:00] <Faux> XP, Win7.
[14:00] <jbicha> I have bionic guest on artful host, doesn't feel very painful here
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg> Faux, the problem seems to be wayland or so
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg> and new kernels
[14:05] <Faux> Aha. As an nvidia user, I will never get to use wayland on the host.
[14:31] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, why not merging from Debian?
[14:31]  * LocutusOfBorg gnome-shell is context
[14:49] <jbicha> because there is substantial diff and I wanted to get the 3.26.2 SRU started sooner
[18:47] <TJ-> nacc: whilst you're looking at my fixes for ycmd  maybe you'd look at couple of other papercuts fixes (related to vim) I've prepared debdiffs for: bug #1575802  and bug #1726441
[18:48] <nacc> TJ-: i'll add them to my list :) they are lower priority generally for me right now, but i should be able to sponsor them sometime soon
[18:53] <nacc> TJ-: I promise I will at least look tonight
[18:53] <nacc> TJ-: if i read the ycmd bug, it needs a xenial only task? can you help make sure that there is a comment in each (if it's already there, it's fine) saying where the fix is needed (including 16.04, 17.04, 17.10, 18.04 as possiblities) and where ot?
[18:54] <nacc> *not
[20:03] <TJ-> nacc: will do :)
[20:03] <nacc> TJ-: thanks!
[20:06] <TJ-> nacc: argh! my membership of bug-control has lapsed. I'll have to re-join
[20:07] <nacc> TJ-: if you do the nomination, i can approve them
[20:07] <nacc> I believe anyone can nominate, at least
[20:07] <nacc> TJ-: i just want to make sure the bug stat is right
[20:10] <nacc> *status, sorry
[20:29] <TJ-> nacc: no nomination links for me :(
[20:30] <nacc> TJ-: ok, can you add comments with the relevant info?
[20:39] <TJ-> will do; sorting out my bugcontrol membership too
[21:27] <niedbalski> bdmurray, ping
[21:27] <bdmurray> niedbalski: howdy
[21:28] <niedbalski> bdmurray, hey bryan, sorry to pester you about this, could you check the verification for LP: #1657256? also, not sure why the Trusty patch wasn't moved into -proposed (it's currently seating in unapvd).
[21:31] <bdmurray> niedbalski: There are some autopkgtest failures for zesty w/ diaspora-installer
[21:32] <niedbalski> bdmurray, where I can look for those errors?
[21:33] <bdmurray> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[21:37] <niedbalski> bdmurray, hard to tell if those failures are related to the change though.
[22:31] <superm1> Hi all.  I was interested in fixing autopkgtest for a package I maintain (fwupd).  I've got it working on debci now, but on Ubuntu it fails with an error i'm not sure how to properly fix.  http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/fwupd/bionic/amd64 the particular error is "Failed to restart dbus.service: Operation refused, unit dbus.service may be requested by dependency only (it is configured to refuse manual start/stop)." which yes,
[22:31] <superm1> I'm trying to manually start dbus because it's needed in the test environment. ....  The debian/tests i'm using is here: https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd/tree/master/contrib/debian/tests
[22:33] <infinity> superm1: Depending on dbus should be all that's required to have it started in the test environment.
[22:34] <superm1> infinity: really?  OK well that's an easy enough fix, thanks
[22:34] <infinity> superm1: "The test enviornment" is a regular system (in a VM or container, depending on arch).  So, yes, depending on daemons should start them the same way it would on your desktop or laptop.
[22:35] <infinity> superm1: Not like a build chroot, where we intentionally hamstring daemons.
[22:35] <superm1> Alright, thanks
[22:39] <infinity> superm1: Oh, but looking at the script, it seems the intent there wasn't to start dbus, but maybe to reload your config?
[22:39] <infinity> superm1: If so, it wanted to be reload, not restart.
[22:40] <superm1> no, it was to start dbus
[22:40] <infinity> superm1: (and reload does work)
[22:40] <infinity> superm1: Kay.  If the intent was to use restart to start, indeed, dbus should alread be started.
[22:40] <superm1> I just had this thought that it needed explicit starting since that's how i'm used to working in chroots and stuff like travis CI
[22:41] <infinity> superm1: Yeah, debci is (IMO) better than that, in the sense that it's really testing how your stuff behaves on a real non-hobbled Debian/Ubuntu system.
[22:41] <infinity> superm1: If you have to do any synthetic setup after installing your packages, it's a pretty crap test of how your package works, after all.
[22:41] <superm1> infinity: yeah true
[22:42] <superm1> the peculiar thing to me though; why was I not hitting this in debian's debci?
[22:42] <superm1> It's been working just fine there
[22:44] <infinity> Their dbus service might not block restart like ours does.
[22:45] <superm1> ah yeah; that looks to be the case: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1540282
[22:47] <infinity> Yeahp, just checked in a sid chroot, they don't block restart.  They really should, for the same reasons.
[22:47] <infinity> dbus restart is amazingly harmful.
[22:48] <infinity> I'm going to blame pitti, who probably should have committed that back to Debian. :P


[17:59] <yano> https://www.pyohio.org/2022/
[19:38] <dzho> uBlock Origin doesn't like the email list confirmation link
[19:38] <dzho> fwiw
[19:44] <yano> interesting


[12:05] <FernandoMiguel> 0/
[17:28] <rrva> hi! I was upgrading to oneiric and accidentally answered no on question to replace /etc/init/networking.conf. How to get the oneiric version of that file? I tried apt-get --reinstall install
[17:29] <penguin42> rrva: You are in the channel for Precise, not Oneiric - see #ubuntu
[17:29] <penguin42> rrva: However, if you're lucky you may have /etc/init/networking.conf.something
[17:29] <rrva> yes I do.. how to be sure thats the upstream version?
[20:41] <rrva> is upstart really mature for servers?
[20:42] <rrva> like, I've had issues with upstart hanging when trying to stop jobs if the process died
[20:42] <rrva> or upstart thinking the process was running when its really not
[21:31] <FernandoMiguel> rrva: should be
[23:16] <Guest7444> 267F6C66 add me anyone


[10:04] <rvba> gmb: question for you: when I'm performing a bulk operation on two nodes that are both being powered up, instead of the expected summary message (about the fact that the 2 operations can't be performed), I get only one message about one node.
[10:04] <rvba> gmb: is that expected?
[10:12] <rvba> gmb: from the logs it seems there is only failure happening, the 'abort commissioning' operation fails with the first node and the second operation (aborting the second node) isn't even tried.
[10:22] <gmb> rvba: I don't know about expected, but remember that under-the-hood, although Node.objects.start_nodes() accepts a collection of Nodes to start, it will get called thus:
[10:23] <gmb> Node.objects.start_nodes([node_1])
[10:23] <gmb> Node.objects.start_nodes([node_2])
[10:23] <gmb> That may be why you're only getting one error.
[10:23] <gmb> Though I don't know the entire context, so I don't know why you'd expect to see both.
[10:24] <gmb> rvba: Ah, although… because it's called one at a time, and each one raises an error, and the error handling middleware adds a message and then redirects… that's probably why you'd see only one message.
[10:25] <rvba> gmb: I've done another experiment:
[10:26] <rvba> I've got two nodes.  I commission one of them and waits until the power command is executed.
[10:26] <rvba> wait*
[10:26] <rvba> Then I commission another node and quickly after that (i.e. while the lock on the second node is still there) I try to abort the commissioning operation for the *2* nodes.
[10:27] <rvba> gmb: guess what happened :)
[10:27] <rvba> I got a message about the fact that it's impossible to cancel the commission for node 2… and node 1 didn't get touched!
[10:27] <gmb> rvba: Both aborts aborted?
[10:27] <gmb> Oh!
[10:27] <gmb> Haha
[10:28] <gmb> Yeah, that doesn't actually surprise me. Again, see above… Your request hit an error, so *everything* in that transaction got aborted
[10:28] <gmb> (i.e. both aborts aborted)
[10:29] <rvba> Right.  I understand… but that's a bit surprising from a user's perspective.
[10:29] <gmb> agreed
[10:29] <gmb> rvba: This is a problem that allenap and I were aware of; that we're going to end up with these kind of something-should-be-unwound-something-shouldn't-be states. But we punted on it at the time because things were getting complex enough as it was.
[10:30] <rvba> Ok.  I'll still file a bug about it.
[10:30] <gmb> rvba: Please do!
[10:30] <rvba> We should probably use subtransactions here.
[10:32] <allenap> rvba: Yep.
[10:32] <allenap> Agreed.
[10:40] <rvba> gmb: allenap: actually, it's much worse than that: in my example, the first node (which was half way through commissioning) got shutdown (but was still left in the commissioning state because the DB transaction got rolledback)!
[10:42] <rvba> gmb: allenap: this is because the power operation is not part of the transaction and didn't get rolled back :).
[10:44] <gmb> Yep.
[10:45] <allenap> rvba: For that I think we should commit the transaction before issuing the power command. It may be that commit-before-rpc — or commit-before-doing-it — should be the approach everywhere.
[10:50] <gmb> allenap, rvba, jtv: Review for one of you, if you please: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/add-alerts-for-disconnected-clusters-bug-1341121/+merge/237039
[10:50] <jtv> I'll take it.
[10:50] <gmb> Ta
[10:56] <rvba> allenap: gmb:https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1377099
[11:07] <rvba> gmb: testing your branch now
[11:08] <gmb> rvba: Ta
[11:09] <rvba> gmb: looks nice :)
[11:09] <jtv> Thanks Gav.
[11:11] <rvba> gmb: not a proper review but I added a couple of minor comments to your branch.
[11:11] <gmb> k
[11:13] <jtv> One reason to dislike IPv6: the digit is right in the dead zone on the keyboard.
[11:13] <gmb> rvba, jtv: Thankee
[12:24] <allenap> rvba: I’ve commented.
[14:57] <gmb> rvba:Thanks for the painful bugs list :)
[14:57] <rvba> gmb: welcome :)
[14:57] <rvba> gmb: some of these bugs are not only painful but also painful to reproduce unfortunately.
[14:58] <gmb> Yeah.
[14:58] <gmb> rvba, allenap: Are either of you working on those bugs? If so, which? Need help?
[14:59] <rvba> I assume allenap is still working on the RPC stuff.
[15:00] <rvba> gmb: I've worked on 1376782 but it isn't fixed completely yet.
[15:00] <rvba> gmb: it's one of the bugs that is really hard to reproduce.
[15:02] <gmb> Right
[15:03] <gmb> rvba: Can you be more specific on the bug about why the problem might still occur? (I ask because if I pick it up I'll need to refer to it later, and my memory is a sieve today due to jet lag)
[15:23]  * gmb -> jetlag break; bbiab
[15:33] <rvba> blake_r: btw, great job on the import boot images JS, I've tested it and it's great!
[15:43] <blake_r> rvba: thanks
[15:44] <blake_r> rvba: glad you like it
[15:44] <blake_r> rvba: only works for Ubuntu images, if you want to extend a FFe I can get the others as well, ;-)


[10:25] <qense> bingo!
[10:25] <qense> I got something to work at last.
[10:27] <qense> It works! Eureka!
[10:28] <qense> jcastro: I'll test it a last time and after that I can finally continue to work on Banshee.
[10:29] <qense> I can't believe it's actually working. :P
[12:19] <sanderqd> have you considered changing the spacing between the 'old' systray icons, to make it more consistent with the new indicators?
[12:54] <tgpraveen12> qense: hey will banshee get the app indicator in lucid now that UI freeze has been passed?
[12:54] <tgpraveen12> and FF freeze also
[12:56] <qense> tgpraveen12: I'll try to get it in Banshee 1.5.5, and eventually Banshee 1.6.0 will be included in Lucid, so it should eventually reach Lucid, but it may need a FFe
[12:58] <tgpraveen12> qense: thx for the reply. have u talked to upstream? will it be included upstream/
[12:58] <qense> tgpraveen12: at the moment I'm working on getting the patch I provided into an acceptable state for upstream.
[12:59] <tgpraveen12> qense: awesome
[12:59] <qense> I just stumbled upon another bug in the Mono bindings for AppInd, though. The Fallback and Unfallback methods aren't provided in C# and therefore I cannot override them.
[13:29] <gregknicholson> moni
[13:30] <gregknicholson> …I beg your pardon — pre-empted gnome-do there
[14:07] <qense> ok, we've got a problem
[14:07] <qense> the virtual-member support of the GAPI generator won't land until GTK# 3.0
[14:08] <qense> Which means no fallback and unfallback until September
[14:36] <qense> jcastro: After several hours of working on getting fallback and unfallback to work in Mono I'm removing the use of that from the Banshee patch since GTK# is such a stupid project.
[14:36] <qense> aargh
[14:37] <qense> jcastro: I need virtual member support, and GAPI has already got that since a few months ago, before Karmic was released, but it won't be included until GTK#3.0.
[14:37] <qense> Just when everything else worked...
[14:38] <qense> sigh
[14:38] <qense> Everything worked flawlessly!
[14:38] <qense> All that was needed was GAPI to recognise a certain node type, which it already can in trunk.
[16:23] <jcastro> qense: ok so you're saying it all works except for the fallback?
[16:25] <qense> jcastro: We'll have to make do with the default fallback. I'm working on finishing the last bits of the patch, should be able to submit it today.
[16:25] <jcastro> ok I don't understand
[16:25] <qense> jcastro: So yes, the rest works.
[16:26] <jcastro> can you explain how it will be different?
[16:27] <qense> jcastro: The default fallback uses the AppInd menu and shows it on left mouse button. I wanted to use the GtkStatusIcon provided by Banshee since that provides a bit more functionality.
[16:28] <qense> It means: no tooltip and no rating-from-the-tray-menu.
[16:29] <qense> jcastro: Do you think I should add the artist and the album currently being played to the menu, just as Rhythmbox already does?
[16:31] <jcastro> qense: I was just thinking about that
[16:31] <jcastro> qense: yeah I think it makes sense to have them both behave the same in there
[16:31] <jcastro> qense: I am asking upstream how they would feel about a monochrome icon too
[16:32] <qense> the same as for Rhythmbox?
[16:32] <jcastro> no
[16:32] <jcastro> I was thinking the current logo but black and white
[16:33] <qense> That probably fits better with the themes indeed.
[21:28] <qense> jcastro: Giving up on showing the currently played song in the menu: due to a bug in GTK+ the label of a MenuItem isn't updated when its action's label is. Due to a bug in GTK# you can't change or read the label of a MenuItem after you've created it.
[21:28] <qense> sigh...
[21:28] <qense> Again just when I thought it worked.
[21:30] <gabaug> qense: we change the Label of MenuItems all the time in Banshee by modifying their Gtk.Action
[21:30] <qense> gabaug: Really?
[21:31] <qense> maybe it is a AppInd bug, despite what the comments in the Rhythmbox patch say
[21:31] <gabaug> qense: are you modifying the Gtk.Action and not the ActionEntry?
[21:31] <qense> gabaug: yes I am
[21:31] <qense> gabaug: and changing the Visible property does work
[21:32] <qense> just not the Label property
[21:32] <gabaug> yeah, is probably an appind bug, not sending the update over dbus
[21:32] <gabaug> definitely not an issue with Gtk+ or Gtk#
[21:32] <qense> I'll take a look at it then
[22:10] <jpetersen> qense, the problem is that the GtkMenuItem does not send the notify::label signal when the label of the action is changed
[22:10] <qense> ah
[22:10] <qense> can't we emit that ourselves?
[22:11] <jpetersen> qense, not really
[22:12] <jpetersen> qense, i will fix it on appindicator
[22:12] <qense> jpetersen: How?
[22:12] <jpetersen> qense, listen also to the signal of the action related to the menu item
[22:12] <qense> ah
[22:12] <jpetersen> qense, I will work on monday on it
[22:13] <qense> jpetersen: great, thank you
[22:13] <jpetersen> your welcome
[22:26] <qense> patch sent upstream
[22:26] <qense> I'm off now, bye!


[04:22] <bodhizazen> 'lo everyone =)
[04:22] <doctormo> hey bodhizazen
[04:28] <bodhizazen> good to see you doctormo
[04:31] <Raidsong> hello
[04:32] <bodhizazen> 'lo Raidsong
[04:33] <Raidsong> do you know the names of any books that would teach me about linux?
[04:36] <bodhizazen> is there any aspect in particular you wish to learn ?
[04:36] <bodhizazen> Or linux in general ?
[04:36] <Raidsong> linux in general
[04:37] <bodhizazen> did you check your local library ?
[04:37] <Raidsong> yea
[04:37] <bodhizazen> anything ?
[04:37] <Raidsong> they have all of 4 books and 2 of those say myspace on them
[04:37] <bodhizazen> Ah , too bad
[04:37] <Raidsong> 1 is about ebay and 1 is about windows me
[04:38] <bodhizazen> You can find a ton of information on line
[04:38] <bodhizazen> If you want an e-book, search free linux books
[04:38] <bodhizazen> in google
[04:38] <Raidsong> i bought some books on python to teach myself but there is a lot of books on linux and i dont know where to start
[04:38] <bodhizazen> I suspect most of us learn by using linux
[04:39] <bodhizazen> how long have you been using Linux ?
[04:39] <Raidsong> i started with 8.04
[04:39] <Raidsong> but was off an on until recently
[04:40] <bodhizazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community
[04:40] <bodhizazen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows
[04:40] <bodhizazen> both good places to start
[04:40] <Raidsong> i read the book that was in the beginners section
[04:41] <Raidsong> so i understand how to use it but i want to get into the more techinical stuff
[04:42] <bodhizazen> Well the rabbit hole is deep , so "technical stuff" is a broad question
[04:43] <bodhizazen> servers, desktops, development, security, networking ...
[04:43] <Raidsong> development was what i was wanting to do
[04:44] <Raidsong> im running 9.10 so my path would cross with as much development as possible
[04:44] <bodhizazen> http://books.google.com/books?id=GB_O89fnz_sC&lpg=PA132&ots=wH_dJ4xYjs&dq=linux%20boot%20fsck%20order%20dirty&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
[04:44] <bodhizazen> =)
[05:10] <Raidsong> ive been looking at all the reviews of the book and this seems to be a monster of a book
[05:10] <Raidsong> 1000 pages is a large undertaking
[05:13] <Raidsong> the thought of reading it cover to cover could make Chuck Norris weep
[05:36] <doctormo> Raidsong: Then don't read it as one book, surely it must be divided into chapters.
[05:37] <Raidsong> yes it is but i want to learn all the chapters
[05:37] <Raidsong> http://books.google.com/books?id=GB_O89fnz_sC&lpg=PA132&ots=wH_dJ4xYjs&dq=linux%20boot%20fsck%20order%20dirty&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
[06:16] <doctormo> Raidsong: then you have a lot of reading to do :-D
[06:18] <Raidsong> i know
[06:18] <Raidsong> im going to go pick it up at barnes and noble tomarrow
[17:47] <Raidsong> .join #ubuntu-beginners-help
[18:04] <pleia2> oh bother, I never planned a meeting this week
[18:30] <doctormo> pleia2: It's ok, lots to do :-)


[06:08] <DarwinSurvivor> willwh: have you checked that the connecting user has execute permissions on all the parent folders?


[19:21] <novarg> Hi everyone. Just upgraded to kde 4.4 and have a problem with kopete. It not sending yahoo messages. From my side it looks like message was send but no ones from recipient see my messages. Can you help me, maybe point where i can find solution?
[19:21] <novarg> thanks in advance
[19:22] <novarg> sorry, missed channel :(


[01:00] <Aydin> Hello can someone help me with something
[01:00] <wxl> !ask
[01:03] <Aydin> Ah okay sorry, Can someone help me install nvidia 390 legacy driver, my notebook currently runs nvidia 820m, which i'd assume the recent one supported is the legacy 390 one, also using the additional drivers tool installs either the 450 or the 340 which both reboot into a blackscreen
 How can I split screen?
 All I tried to create the shortcut Super+Left/Right doesn't work
[11:42] <guiverc> @Fairnandes, https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/F/keyboard_shortcuts.html provides a list of the Keyboard shortcuts in Lubuntu 20.04 LTS/20.10 ; you didn't provide release details.
 Right, but none of these have the effect of splitting screen horizontally.
 For former versions, the following workaround doesn't fit
 @Fairnandes [Right, but none of these have the effect of splitting screen horizontally.], Which version of Lubuntu do you have?
 http://v1chak.blogspot.com/2013/03/lubuntu-openbox-keybind-to-split-screen.html
 20.04.1
 The faux tiling was removed since it conflicts with the super key bindings. You can add that back into the openbox configuration but you should change the keybind.
 How do I do that?
 You have to add them back into the `lxqt-rc.xml` file. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jn2NgFXTc5/
 You will want to change the `W` for something else though.
 Tried it, but is not working though
 You will have to log out and back in if you haven't done that.
[15:20] <kc2bez> what happens if you try to start it manually?
[15:25] <kc2bez> `systemctl start cups-browsed.service`
 *throws a sudo into the mix*
[15:26] <kc2bez> It should prompt you
 i'm picky ;)
[15:26] <kc2bez> Either way
[15:40] <kc2bez> `systemctl status cups-browsed.service` Will let you know if the start was successful.
[15:43] <kc2bez> `journalctl -u cups-browsed.service` will show you log messages for that systemd unit.
[15:57] <kc2bez> That is a different service. There are some cups logs in `/var/log/cups/` that might help as well.
 i should point out that what you're seeing is a cups-browsed coredump.  that SUGGESTS a segfault somewhere
 which is a Bad Thing
 just my 2 cents
 `segmentation fault (Core dumped)` is usually the indication you've got something going haywire with a program.
 but the cause of segfaults could be irrelevant from a reinstall
 is this a fresh install you did, or did you upgrade from an older release?
 just asking because sometimes that is a relevant bit
 kc2bez: unrelated: I hate segfaults >.<
[16:05] <kc2bez> Yeah, that is bad stuff.
 from 20.04?
 kc2bez: something to add to the QA tests in development side of things.  ^^
 Michaël you could ATTEMPT a fresh install of 20.10 after backing up the data you want to keep
 and MAYBE it'd work (there could be leftovers from 20.04 that broke things)
 but if you do that and get the segfaults still then you should probably open a bug, so the devs can dig deeper
 any CUPS components segfaulting is a Bad Thing
[16:07] <kc2bez> I upgraded my box here to 20.10 and I don't have a CUPS issue.
 kc2bez: could be unique to their system.  Keeping the old config could cause the breakages too
 esp. if CUPS has things it *needs* during the upgrade.
[16:07] <kc2bez> Right
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> I upgraded my box here to 20.10 and I don't have a CUPS issue.], I have done many upgrades to 20,10 and tested printing - never had a CUPS issue (mostly HP printers)
 you can probably find and remove the config file and then reinstall / regenerate but I don't have the steps for it right now (little busy with work)
 @teward001 [kc2bez: unrelated: I hate segfaults >.<], you're not the only one (stupid pointers... 😆)
 lol
[19:19] <lubuntu_> ll
[23:14] <Doggie> luwubuntu


[01:31] <MACscr> if im running php-fpm and apache2, why am i getting this warning everytime php is updated with apt? http://paste.debian.net/1014048/
[01:32] <MACscr> ive confirmed with phpinfo that it is indeed using fpm
[04:20] <LennyKravitz> Hey all, I have an HP Proliant DL380 G7 server and i installed Ubuntu Server 64bit. What are some projects that i could do with this baby. I got the server from work which was going to be toss out. its in perfectly working condition.


[04:42] <ChinnoDog> yawn
[04:43] <ChinnoDog> 23:45
[04:46] <TheLordOfTime> what about it :P
[04:58] <ChinnoDog> It happened.
[04:58] <TheLordOfTime> so?
[05:33] <ChinnoDog> idk
[05:33] <ChinnoDog> I got some new glasses in the mail today. They are really nice.
[05:34] <ChinnoDog> And so inexpensive
[06:17] <Sadin> Hi all
[06:18] <InHisName> I've gotten about 5 pair so far.  Last pair I bumped the Rx by 1/4 and I like them better than 4 y/o ones earlier.  Eyes getting worse over time.  Two broke, and one was lost. 2 pair left.  All < $10 each with shipping.
[06:20] <ChinnoDog> How do you lose them so fast? My last pair must be 10 years old or so and I've never lost them. In fact, they are in great shape but the prescription is old.
[06:21] <ChinnoDog> I think I paid almost $400 for those. I ordered these online for around $80.
[06:26] <InHisName> Only lost pair in 50 years of glasses.   3 years ago.
[06:27] <ChinnoDog> The site I got mine from has a promo code for a free first pair.
[06:28] <ChinnoDog> Just thought I would mention since you aren't into paying big bucks for them. glasseshop.com, promo code FIRSTFREE
[06:28] <InHisName> That's how I got mine.  Several diff sites.   $8.99 shipping + free = <$10\
[06:28] <InHisName> Don't need any right now.
[06:29] <ChinnoDog> Your prescription must not be strong if you can get cheap ones. I am picky about my lenses because I can see chromatic distortion in high index mediums and it drives me up a wall.
[06:30] <InHisName> Say, ChinnoDog, do you know how to 'probe' in a script (bash) to tell if a drive is set to read only ?
[06:31] <ChinnoDog> No. Sorry, I am not that good at bash. :-(
[06:35] <InHisName> or ksh, or csh, or anyothershellyoucanname
[06:38] <Sadin> ChinnoDog what the heck is chromatic distortions
[06:41] <InHisName> color changes ?
[06:41] <Sadin> InHisName ah
[06:42] <Sadin> ive not the attention span to put two and two together atm lol
[06:42] <ChinnoDog> Sadin: It is when light of different frequencies is attenuated at different rates. I should have said "chromatic aberration". If you make lenses out of material with high chromatic aberration you see yellow and blue fringes around objects.
[06:42] <InHisName> errors in colors
[06:43] <Sadin> ChinnoDog THAT sounds pretty annoying
[06:43] <InHisName> VERY annoying if was in my eyeglasses.     Polycarbonate lenses have an abbe value of only 30.
[06:47] <InHisName> I used to be 20:825
[06:47] <InHisName> Now only 20:525
[06:48] <InHisName> Old age moves eyes to more farsighted.   So my glasses get lighter as I age.
[06:48] <ChinnoDog> My lenses are made of trivex with abbe value of 44. I couldn't find any online glasses places selling spectralite lenses or I would have considered them.
[06:49] <InHisName> Starts about 40 years.   Focus range stops being so wide and then you need 2 or even 3 pairs to see well at all distances.
[06:49] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[06:49] <ChinnoDog> Where is cloning technology when you need it?
[06:50] <InHisName> Coming along.
[06:50] <ChinnoDog> Maybe someone can grow me some new eyeballs one day
[06:51] <ChinnoDog> night vision upgrade and zoom lens wouldn't hurt either
[06:51] <InHisName> TV's hanging on wall like picture?   People laughed that we'd see that before 2000 back in '60's.   A bit late, but still great.
[06:52] <InHisName> The BORG has some nice technology.  Care to join up ?
[06:52] <ChinnoDog> Yes. They can prepare a nice ocular implant for me.
[06:52] <InHisName> I'll keep my poor eyesight and indepedance
[06:55] <ChinnoDog> Time to sleep
[06:55] <ChinnoDog> later
[06:55] <InHisName> g'nite
[11:31] <rmg51> Morning
[13:27] <waltman> Morning.
[13:54] <ChinnoDog> psh, morning
[13:54] <ChinnoDog> I was woken up to fix a web site at 8.
[13:56] <rmg51> poor ChinnoDog :'(
[13:56] <rmg51> I just got back from a 4 mile walk
[20:58] <roasted> hello!
[20:58] <roasted> Just ate myself into the most regretful food-coma ever.
[20:58] <roasted> pretty much hate myself right now
[21:00] <JonathanD> Hi.
[21:00] <JonathanD> Food is good.
[21:29] <roasted> still hating myself
[21:30] <roasted> why is subsonic so awesome
[22:23] <ChinnoDog> It is a conspiracy to make you go back for more.
[23:16] <JonathanD> subsonic?