[23:37] <chamenoel> Not quite a tutorial yet, more a few notes to get myself going if my laptop dies, but it should help anyone with a similar setup, I think
[23:37] <kansascanuck> Joaopinto:  If it works, would you suggest that I upgrade from the update manager or should I low level the drive and start fresh.
[23:37] <david_> erUSUL ... THKS
[23:37] <dios_mio> joaopinto, joao pinto was a great player :P
[23:37] <erUSUL> Whabo: system>Admin>Hardware drivers
[23:37] <joaopinto> kansan, the recommended procedure is to upgrade
[23:37] <joaopinto> ops, was kansascanuck
[23:37] <idea4gud> ok thanks
[23:37] <erUSUL> david_: but jrib is right you should wait for the ubuntu upgrade
[23:37] <Ferrous> okay i've added what i want to the text
[23:38] <Ferrous> how do i save what i've added into terminal? >_<
[23:38] <jrib> !who | Ferrous, you need to provide context and
[23:38] <david_> jrib Can you help me to update Firefox somehow as I have tried everthing and nothing works. If I use the update manager what do I need to do?
[23:38] <jrib> david_: what version of ubuntu?
[23:38] <Ferrous> i have the option to exit, the option to justify, the option to write out...
[23:38] <chamenoel> !tab test
[23:38] <Ferrous> grr.
[23:38] <ganymede> is there a way i can make grep print all of its stdin and highlight matches (instead of only printing matching lines and hilighting matches), e.g. print non-matching lines also
[23:38] <david_> Hardy
[23:38] <joaopinto> Ferrous, you dont "add" things to terminal, you execute tasks there
[23:38] <kansascanuck> Joaopinto:  The other question I have with the upgrade was that when I did the upgrade it would not pick up the Nvidia card my Dell 1420 Inspiron was using.  Any suggestions on how to make sure it does?
[23:38] <david_> jrib I have Hardy
[23:38] <vae345> hey guys, i'm using a different linux distro, is there somehow i can download ubuntu iso and install without burning or anything str8 from hard drive?
[23:39] <jrib> david_: pastebin the output of the command: apt-cache policy firefox
[23:39] <joaopinto> kansan, check the release notes, there are some notes regarding some models, but again, test with the livecd first
[23:39] <vae345> motherbaord is old so doesnt support usb boot and no dvd/cd rom drive
[23:39] <joaopinto> ops, typo again, kansascanuck
[23:39] <Slart> !install vae345, look here.. but I don't think you can
[23:39] <IAMDANIAM> should i be able to preview mp3's while watching a movie????
[23:39] <Slart> !install |  vae345, look here.. but I don't think you can
[23:39] <david_> jrib do I copy  the apt-cache policy firefox in terminal and enter
[23:39] <Whabo> !ati
[23:39] <jrib> david_: yes
[23:39] <david_> jrib thanks will try....
[23:39] <Ferrous> joaopinto, i'm trying to edit the blacklist to break a conflicting driver so i can use my atheros wireless card, as i understand it.. likely wrong, but i'm trying to add to a file, thus adding to the terminal text and trying to save if i can. How do i save this?
[23:40] <jrib> !pastebin > david_
[23:40] <m1ndctrl> can anyone shed light on nvidia 9800 gt support for me? I can't get this card to work in any distro... is it just not supported or what?
[23:40] <joaopinto> Ferrous, if you are using vi, type ESC, then :wq!
[23:40] <samako93> Whabo, maybe this can help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=764633
[23:40] <jrib> m1ndctrl: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[23:40] <Slart> m1ndctrl: I think it's supported in the later nvidia drivers
[23:40] <NekroJakub> When I hibernate all I get is a black screen with a white command line-like line and my PC doesn't shut down. Help!
[23:40] <CelticLord> nuit!!
[23:40] <Slart> !hibernate | NekroJakub
[23:40] <erUSUL> !hi
[23:40] <m1ndctrl> jrib: nothing useful.. all is normal and last line says Backtrace:
[23:40] <NekroJakub> Slart: Lazy :P
[23:40] <Slart> huh? no hibernate..
[23:40] <Wavesonics> I'm having a lot of trouble getting authentication working with my SVN server, I set up the authz and passwd and svnserve.conf files but keep getting "Authorization failed"
[23:41] <NekroJakub> Slart: I tried hibernation too
[23:41] <NekroJakub> !suspend
[23:41] <anonident> the resolution on my laptop seems like its not right
[23:41] <joaopinto> Wavesonics, better ask on the svn support channel (assuming there is one)
[23:41] <david_> jrib done that and not quite sure what the answer was?
[23:41] <Wavesonics> ok, thanks
[23:41] <m1ndctrl> Slart: I'm using the newest drivers (177.82) - when i reboot all i get is a black screen and system halts
[23:41] <NekroJakub> !hibernating
[23:41] <jrib> david_: did you see what ubottu told you about pastebin?
[23:41] <m1ndctrl> Slart: well, doesn't halt - it freezes.
[23:41] <Ferrous> joaopinto. type the letters ESC :wq! or... press escape and type ":wq!"
[23:41] <Ferrous> The latter seems to do nothing
[23:41] <david_> jrib no didn't see it.  Help!
[23:42] <joaopinto> Ferrous, the second option
[23:42] <jrib> david_: he sent you a pm
[23:42] <Slart> m1ndctrl: hmm.. hard to diagnose when it just dies like that
[23:42] <Ferrous> oh boy.
[23:42] <scientes1> wtf everything is black, how do i reload my display manager from the comand line???
[23:42]  * jrib wonders why on earth Ferrous is still using vi
[23:42] <Slart> NekroJakub: nope.. seems ubottu has forgotten all about hibernation.. have you checked the forums?
[23:42] <scientes1> HELP
[23:42] <scientes1> everything is black but the cursor changes
[23:42] <joaopinto> Ferrous, you could use a graphical text editor, like gedit
[23:42] <m1nds1llus1on> NekroJakub: This is normal.... sometimes it takes a while to hibernate, have you tried simply waiting a bit?
[23:42] <NekroJakub> Slart: I Googled to no avail...
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> scientes1: startx
[23:43] <scientes1>  tried metacity -display=:0 --replace but it didnt work
[23:43] <scientes1> its there though
[23:43] <m1ndctrl> Slart: I have tried on 8.10 and fedora 9 - exact same behaviour.. and i cant using ubutu 8.04 as i get pushed to busybox / initramfs when trying to install - then i found a way around that but when i rebooted it wouldn't mount my hdd to start... sata issues i'm guessing
[23:43] <joaopinto> scientes1, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[23:43] <scientes1> i dont want to lose what i had there
[23:43] <NekroJakub> m1nds1llus1on: You suuure? I tried waiting for a bit and another bit...
[23:43] <millertime_018> can someone help me with my sound problem?
[23:43] <millertime_018> alsa isn't working!!!
[23:43] <scientes1> usually its just the window manager
[23:43] <scientes1> oh whoops i said display manager
[23:43] <Slart> m1ndctrl: hmm.. sounds like linux doesn't really like your computer.. you've tried with noapci or noapic?
[23:44] <m1nds1llus1on> NekroJakub: My laptop does the exact same thing during hibernation. Sometimes it takes a couple minutes to finish hibernating. How long have you waited for?
[23:44] <NekroJakub> m1nds1llus1on: A minute or so... But damnit, shutdown is faster then >_>
[23:44] <m1ndctrl> Slart: yea - starting to think it might not be linux friendly as well... blows.. i just bought all new hardware :(
[23:44] <m1nds1llus1on> NekroJakub: Yup, honestly, shutdown and boot are sometimes faster in Ubuntu.
[23:44] <Prez00> where should wallpapers be stored in Ubuntu?  specific dir they come in?
[23:45] <Slart> m1ndctrl: ngh.. I feel your pain..
[23:45] <yoursfaithfully> how do I enable extra compiz effects in Ubuntu?
[23:45] <m1nds1llus1on> NekroJakub: It all depends on if you're working on something and you don't want to close it.
[23:45] <Slart> !ccsm | yoursfaithfully
[23:45] <NekroJakub> m1nds1llus1on: Guess I'll stick with shutdown then, programs start so fast it doesn't really make a difference, heh.
[23:45] <yoursfaithfully> Slart:  Thanks!
[23:45] <GodfatherofEire> Any ideas why kinit is having problems on startup and how to correct this? I know its related to usplash, but there's no more boot image installed, but its trying to use it anyway? any ideas on why this is happening?
[23:45] <Slart> well.. I'm off to bed.. good night everyone
[23:45] <scientes1> i get this INVALID-MIT-VALID-COOKIE error
[23:45] <NekroJakub> Slart: gnight
[23:45] <scientes1> when trying to restart metacity
[23:46] <L3Tum> Hi everyone. Is there a way to somehow run an xml file in the terminal or some other program with a printout so that I can find where it is having a problem? I've been staring at this screen for the last 3 hours
[23:46] <Anveo> Can anyone tell me why the NetworkManager says my wireless is disabled, even though I have an ath0/wifi0 device in ifconfig?
[23:46] <fosco_> scientes: try metacity --replace
[23:46] <Ferrous>  Okay, so i've entered the text i need to append the blacklist...list with in the terminal, i've pressed the control button and x to tell it to exit, it asked me if i wanted to save, i pressed 'y' it told me "File name to write: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" then gave me a list of things. I want to use the option that says "M-A Append" I added "M-A" to the end of the little line "file name to write: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and pressed enter. I
[23:46] <erUSUL> GodfatherofEire: the kernel parameter line in menu.lst still has the "splash" option ??
[23:46] <joaopinto> L3Tum, do you have a syntax error on a xml file ?
[23:46] <triggerhapp> Intel Drivers (Intrepid) are causing Runescape high detail to crash (Official Java/OpenGL/FireFox)  Anyone else know about this?
[23:46] <erUSUL> L3Tum: xml is textual info you can not "run" it
[23:46] <L3Tum> yes, but I can't find it
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> scientes1: export XAUTHORITY=/home/<user>/.Xauthority
[23:46] <GodfatherofEire> Possibly, erUSUL, I'll check, you have the dir for the file?
[23:47] <erUSUL> L3Tum: there may be some command line syntax/scheme checker
[23:47] <joaopinto> L3Tum, there are online tools to check for that, or you can use xml copy editor, a nice app to edit xml files
[23:47] <erUSUL> GodfatherofEire: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:47] <Ferrous> >_<
[23:47] <L3Tum> joaopinto: thanks
[23:48] <GodfatherofEire> I'll admit though erUSUL, I installed splashy, then removed it as it wouldnt work on shutdown.
[23:48] <joaopinto> L3Tum, opening the file on firefox may also help
[23:48] <idea4gud> where opt directory
[23:48] <chaqui1> im trying to install the wine 1.1.7, and im having dificulty.
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> idea4gud: /opt
[23:49] <solexious> How can i tell network manager to ignore wlan1?
[23:49] <idea4gud> yes
[23:49] <scientes1> how can i bypass the MIT-MAGIC-KEY error
[23:49] <joaopinto> chaqui1, I believe they provide a repository...
[23:49] <idea4gud> and what's its purpose
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> chaqui1: sudo apt-get install wine
[23:49] <tritium> solexious: configure it manually
[23:49] <scientes1> on opening a window manager from tty?
[23:49] <triggerhapp> Is anyone here able to try something on Intrepid, I want to know if its only Intel drivers that cause a crash
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> !info wine
[23:49] <LogicalDash> solexious: right click on the applet and click Edit Connections
[23:49] <chaqui1> I wanted to get the latest one, and that installes the last stable version
[23:49] <david__> jrib sorry but I disconnected
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> chaqui1: well it'll install deps for you ;)
[23:49] <joaopinto> scientes, you are trying to open a graphical application on another X server for which you don't have access
[23:50] <L3Tum> joaopinto: Thanks alot, I'll give those a try
[23:50] <david__> jrib I am trying to paste as ubottu said.......
[23:50] <joaopinto> scientes1, you are wasting your time, just restart gdm
[23:50] <scientes1> how can i get past the protections of opening a window manager from tty?
[23:50] <scientes1> ok
[23:50] <erUSUL> chaqui1: winehq.org has ubuntu repos that work quite well
[23:50] <chaqui1> is that the problem?
[23:50] <scientes1> gosh
[23:50] <idea4gud> actionparnsip: i dont under  /
[23:50] <chaqui1> what do I need to do, add winehq as a repo?
[23:50] <david__> ubottu how do I paste in pastebin as I have never used it before
[23:50] <treats> has anyone here setup hamachi before??
[23:51] <joaopinto> chaqui1, for the latest version, yes
[23:51] <scientes1> WAHA, i got it to work
[23:51] <solexious> logicaldash i can see how to disable wired not wireless
[23:51] <joaopinto> !pastebin > ubottu
[23:51] <GodfatherofEire> erUSUL, no splash option in there
[23:51] <rdz> hi all. i just upgraded from hardy to intrepid and since i cannot make the proprietary nvidia-drivers working. it's seems that i am not the only one with this kind of problems, so i wonder where would be a good resource for solution proposals
[23:51] <chaqui1> where can I find the repo?
[23:51] <Dr_willis> scientes,    you want for example to launch a xterm, on   the currently running X session. from the consolke.. In the past.. ive logged into the console, exported the DISPLAY variable,  then disabled the xhost security (not a good idea) with 'xhost +localhost'   then ran the app.
[23:51] <joaopinto> !pastebin > david__
[23:51] <erUSUL> GodfatherofEire: then i do not knw what is happening with kinit
[23:52] <LogicalDash> solexious, oh, well to disable wireless you can just right-click the applet and uncheck "Enable Wireless"
[23:52] <GodfatherofEire> Alright
[23:52] <Anveo> How do I let the network manager automatically manage my wireless card?
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> chaqui1: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
[23:52] <LogicalDash> Anveo, that's what it does by default, have you changed something?
[23:52] <solexious> logicaldash, but that does both wireless cards :(
[23:52] <Ganandorf> hi guys i see that gimp 2.6.2 is released but i still have 2.4 how do i update it
[23:52] <Anveo> LogicalDash: It was working just fine, then I installed a package(something dell specific) and it stopped
[23:52] <erUSUL> Ganandorf: wich version of ubuntu?
[23:53] <lakeoftea> is there a command line program that will tell me who the owner of a certain file is?
[23:53] <Dr_willis> Ganandorf,  wait for updates in the repos/backports. or use source. or look on the PPA repos for newer versions (unofficial/not supported)
[23:53] <LogicalDash> lakeoftea: ls -l
[23:53] <thatguyisjames> aveno:  .. i would like to know the same, it is geting anoying everytime i boot to have to manuly get on my wireless network
[23:53] <Anveo> LogicalDash: I can still connect to AP's manually, but can't get the network manage to 'enable wireless'
[23:53] <joaopinto> Ganandorf, you build from source, or get from a 3rd party
[23:53] <erUSUL> lakeoftea: ls -l file
[23:53] <FuLio> How can i add XMMS to the panel? cause i would have to press alt+f2 just to open it , which is to much to do.
[23:53] <andresmujica> hi, is there a way to avoid hiding of chat window in pidgin when i press enter???
[23:53] <lakeoftea> kk many thanks
[23:53] <treats> Has anyone installed Hamachi on ubuntu before?!
[23:53] <LogicalDash> Anveo: It would probably help if you could find out precisely what package caused the problem
[23:53] <Ganandorf> erUSUL: 8.04 is the version
[23:53] <Dr_willis> FuLio,  you mean create an ICON to launch xmms?
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> idea4gud: http://pastebin.ca/1258450
[23:53] <FuLio> Dr_willis, yes
[23:53] <erUSUL> Ganandorf: maybe it is in backports but i dunno
[23:53] <erUSUL> !backports | Ganandorf
[23:54] <fosco_> Ganandorf: Versión: 2.6.1-1ubuntu3 <-- in intrepid
[23:54] <joaopinto> Ganandorf, if is not on the backports, it's available on getdeb
[23:54] <Dr_willis> FuLio,  there is a 'create launcher' menu item on the desktop menus.. or just drag any icon to the panel and edit the properties to launch whatever you want.
[23:54] <st3ph> ActionParsnip, are you about?
[23:54] <Anveo> LogicalDash: I *think* it was after firmware-addon-dell
[23:54] <mzuverink> I just changed my password, I am the first  user added when machine was set up and now when I need to go and authenticate something I have to use my old password.  How can I fix this so both my user and to authenticate are same?
[23:54] <Ganandorf> so i would not harm my install if i install it via gimp.org
[23:54] <koshari> anyone using the latest vlc on hardy?
[23:54] <thedoctor> hi, I just got an apple wireless mouse and the scollball doesn't play nicely
[23:54] <Dr_willis> FuLio,  you can drag/drop icons from the gnome menu to the panel. :) and edit those properties of that newly made launcher I mean to say.
[23:55] <joaopinto> Ganandorf, if you know how to build from source, should be ok
[23:55] <thedoctor> evtest shows nothing for scrolling, but moving around and clicking works
[23:55] <Macros42> hey there guys - having a little problem here - trying a fresh install of intrepid and after I set up my softraid I get a msg "Please insert the disk labeled: 'Ubuntu 8.10 ...." in drive /cdrom/ ... Media change
[23:55] <FuLio> Dr_willis, ohh, alright thank you
[23:55] <Macros42> disk is in there
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> st3ph: sup
[23:55] <Dr_willis> FuLio,  rather obvious once ya do it once. :)
[23:55] <idea4gud> thankls actionparsnip
[23:55] <FuLio> Dr_willis, haha yup, ty i have it on my panel now =D
[23:55] <erUSUL> Macros42: disable the cdrom as software sources
[23:55] <erUSUL> Macros42: system<Admin>Software Sources First Tab
[23:55] <st3ph> ActionParsnip, i need to downgrade system-tools backend cuz anything what i installs it gives me the backend error
[23:55] <Macros42> erUSUL: I can't - this is still at the text install level
[23:56] <Dr_willis> FuLio,  or a 3rd way.. right click onpanel, add to panel,,  application launcher...
[23:56] <Ganandorf> so is the new ubuntu released as yet they sa they release a new version evry six months
[23:56] <st3ph> ActionParsnip, i searched all day i dunno how to downgrade it
[23:56] <Ganandorf> how do i update to that one
[23:56] <joaopinto> !upgrading > Ganandorf
[23:56] <idea4gud> Now if i this link, which opt folder doest the author meanhttp://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> !downgrade | st3ph
[23:56] <Anveo> My /etc/network/interfaces is clear of everything except the loopback interface too
[23:56] <tritium> Ganandorf: it was released in October
[23:56] <idea4gud> Now if i this link, which opt folder doest the author mean:  http://flurdy.com/docs/eclipse/install.html
[23:56] <erUSUL> Macros42: it is asking you to insert the ubuntu cd in the drive... did you eject it?
[23:56] <idea4gud> bcz i have opt in four places
[23:56] <Dr_willis> Ganandorf,  the 'version # for ubuntu is the date of its release.. normally.. ie: 8.10 was octover 2008
[23:57] <Macros42> erUSUL: no I ddn't - I'm installing it
[23:57] <joaopinto> idea4gud, it means the /opt, that you are expected to create
[23:57] <st3ph> ActionParsnip,  i dont want downgrade ubuntu only the system tools
[23:57] <Ganandorf> ooo i see ok cool any one had any trouble upgrading any probs i should know about
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> st3ph: you could uninstall it completely, then install the old version
[23:57] <joaopinto> Ganandorf, check the release notes before upgrading
[23:57] <Techie> anyone here runnin a dual head ATI in ubuntu 8.10?
[23:57] <idea4gud> under / i need to create a new directory opt named
[23:58] <erUSUL> Macros42: weid; never encontered that error before... can you eject it and close the cdrom drive again ?
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> idea4gud: ell so did I
[23:58] <st3ph> act funny thing is i installed 8.04 and got 8.10 by doing updates
[23:58] <Macros42> erUSUL: tried that - the disk won't eject
[23:58] <guilhermee> ubuntu is corrupting my 8gb pendrive always when i want copy large files to it
[23:58] <lakeoftea> how do i change owner ship of all files in a directory?  would it just be chown lakeoftea /media/disk ???
[23:58] <guilhermee> what it can be ?
[23:58] <lakeoftea> they're currently owned by root
[23:58] <joaopinto> guilhermee, why do you notice such corruption ?
[23:59] <joaopinto> lakeoftea, chown -R for recursive, use with care
[23:59] <Dr_willis> lakeoftea,  you are not trying to change oqwnership of files on a ntfs/vfat filesystem are you?
[23:59] <Peter_G> I'm new to Ubuntu (literally, I installed it for the first time this weekend), and have a quick question, if I may.  A guy I talk with who is a Linux guru said that it was possible to make the screen display "simulate" another size.  The actual screen resolution never changes, but it will display things like it is another size.  The computer I'm using has a 800X480 display.  I want to use an application that runs on a 1028X768 display.  Any ideas ho
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> !eclipse | idea4gud
[23:59] <lakeoftea> no its ext3
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> !info eclipse
[23:59] <jrib> david__: you are up to date.  You have the latest firefox in the repositories
[23:59] <guilhermee> joaopinto, something like "error occurried by a in/out operation"
[23:59] <david__> Then I don't understand why they want me to update???


[05:35] <alkisg> Hi, I go to https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/epoptes/+git/gsoc2018/+delete and press Delete to delete a branch, and I'm getting:
[05:35] <alkisg> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.                (Error ID:         OOPS-f88803aaefa0c88e45ff767c15ade9e8)
[05:35] <alkisg> I'll keep trying, but I thought I'd mention it here in case it persists...
[05:38] <alkisg> Btw, I've asked again a few months ago but I'll ask again in case something changed:
[05:38] <alkisg> Translations can only sync with bzr branches, not git branches, correct?
[07:18] <cjwatson> alkisg: File it as a bug if it persists.  It seems to be taking a long time deleting old jobs; we may need to look into why that's happening
[07:18] <cjwatson> alkisg: Translations are still bzr-only, yes
[07:18] <alkisg> Thank you, will do
[07:58] <alkisg> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1793266
[08:52] <ssbarnea> hi! can someone have a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/674042 ?
[09:05] <wgrant> ssbarnea: You'll need to talk to the owners of the projects.
[09:07] <ssbarnea> wgrant:  these projects were not used on LP for years, so I doubt there are any owners around.
[09:08] <ssbarnea> https://launchpad.net/python-jenkins
[09:10] <wgrant> ssbarnea: The admins of the owning team are definitely still active.
[09:11] <wgrant> Well, James is, at least.
[09:12] <wgrant> It requires a very exceptional circumstance for LP admins to hijack a project -- much easier for you to talk to the existing owner and get them to transfer ownership or grant the relevant access.
[09:20] <ssbarnea> wgrant: sure. I didn't see the join option. I will cc him on the question.
[09:28] <tintou> Are packages in `Dependency wait` state checked daily/weekly or is there a hook when a package changes in the PPA?
[09:28] <ssbarnea> wgrant: thanks! I updated the question.
[09:29] <wgrant> tintou: Every couple of hours, usually.
[09:29] <tintou> wgrant: alright, thanks :)
[09:42] <cjwatson> I think it's hourly in fact
[10:00] <tintou> One tricky question, will it work if a build for one architecture of the missing package failed https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+recipe/signond-daily
[10:10] <wgrant> tintou: All the builds are treated individually.
[10:10] <cjwatson> Will what work?
[10:11] <cjwatson> It won't automatically retry that specific build.
[10:11] <wgrant> Oh yeah, the check is two-hourly, but the script is hourly, read the wrong line
[10:11] <cjwatson> But, as wgrant says, the status of that build will have no effect on whether other dependency-wait builds are retried.
[11:30] <tintou> So 3 to 4 hours since signond is available https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+recipe/signond-daily and this https://code.launchpad.net/~elementary-os/+recipe/libsignon-glib-daily is still waiting (I can wait more but if it's two-hourly there is probably something I'm missing there
[11:36] <cjwatson> Ah, that's slightly amusing
[11:36] <cjwatson> Only .deb builds get auto-retried
[11:36] <cjwatson> That one's a recipe build, and doesn't
[11:37] <tintou> Ah, alright, so I have to make another build request?
[11:38] <cjwatson> Yeah
[11:38] <cjwatson> Could you file a bug about this?  I don't know if it's something we would schedule to fix particularly soon, but it's weird that we have non-auto-retried depwait states
[11:38] <tintou> Alright, will do :)
[11:39] <cjwatson> (Recipe builds aren't normally retryable; but we could auto-schedule new ones I suppose)
[11:45] <tintou> Opened against Launchpad itself https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1793296
[13:17] <ijohnson> cjwatson: did you ever find a fix for the snap package edit issue? I just tried again today and still same problem re: load balancer
[13:17] <cjwatson> We haven't tracked it down yet, I'm afraid - we got sidetracked by another super-weird problem
[13:17] <cjwatson> Have you tried making the change using the API?
[13:17] <cjwatson> as a workaround
[13:18] <ijohnson> No, I'm not familiar with using the API, are there docs on how to do that somewhere?
[13:18] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[13:18] <cjwatson> But if you tell me what changes you're trying to make I can give you an informal script
[13:19] <ijohnson> I'm just trying to enable the snap to build automatically on new commits; just enable the tick for "Automatically build when branch changes"
[13:19] <ijohnson> Thanks for the docs, I can take a look at that
[13:19] <cjwatson> Should be basically
[13:19] <cjwatson> lp-shell production devel
[13:19] <cjwatson> [authenticate as needed]
[13:20] <cjwatson> snap = lp.load('/~docker/+snap/docker')
[13:20] <cjwatson> snap.auto_build = True
[13:20] <cjwatson> snap.lp_save()
[13:20] <cjwatson> (lp-shell is in the lptools package)
[13:20] <ijohnson> Cool, I'll give it a try
[13:22] <cjwatson> I wonder if it objects to you not having auto_build_{archive,pocket} set
[13:22] <ijohnson> So now I get a 500 server error with an actual OOPS ID
[13:22] <ijohnson> OOPS ID: OOPS-db2a7493cde4157b19ac6c18178254c8
[13:23] <cjwatson> IntegrityError: new row for relation "snap" violates check constraint "consistent_auto_build"
[13:23] <cjwatson> OK, so that's essentially saying that you need to set both "Source archive for automatic builds" and "Pocket for automatic builds" to something
[13:24] <cjwatson> Could you possibly screenshot the +edit UI page for me - the bit that includes those fields?
[13:24] <ijohnson> Ah... Okay so now that I do that it lets me update it
[13:24] <cjwatson> Ah, too late for the screenshot then :)
[13:24] <ijohnson> The default radio button box was empty for "Source archive for automatic builds"
[13:24] <ijohnson> So maybe a UI bug
[13:25] <ijohnson> The "Pocket for automatic builds" did default to "Updates"
[13:27] <cjwatson> OK, so that's an actionable bug report (please file it?) - you should have got a form validation error in this case, and/or there should be a sensible default
[13:27] <cjwatson> Even the API shouldn't have OOPSed
[13:27] <ijohnson> Sure, thanks for the help!
[13:27] <cjwatson> But at least you're out of the woods
[13:34] <ijohnson> Indeed. Filed as #1793311
[13:35] <cjwatson> Cheers
[22:22] <gQuigs> is there way for private PPA subscribers to see changelogs?  (without download the source packages)
[22:30] <gQuigs> this https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/253119  kinda indicates to me the only option may be to use the API?  but would really prefer any web based way
[22:33] <nacc> gQuigs: you want the full changelog?
[22:34] <nacc> gQuigs: or just the changes in that upload to the ppa?
[22:45] <gQuigs> full is likely better..
[22:46] <gQuigs> nacc:  sometimes there will be more than one update to the PPA in the timeframe between them wanting to understand changes
[22:51] <nacc> gQuigs: ah i see, yeah, the .changes file contents are available, and depending on the -v used to build, you can get the 'new' entries in the web interface from the ppa


[13:00] <fabrice> uiteam: any objections if I upgrade charstore on staging now ?
[13:00] <rick_h> fabrice: don't think the community will care :)


[00:48] <bkerensa> Brian_H: the new one? No but I imagine its not much different then the others.... I was not to amused with the Chromebook
[05:06] <bkerensa_test> Test
[05:08] <pushnotice> bkerensa: pushtest
[05:15] <pushnotice> bkerensa: push
[07:13] <plamic> hey there! where do you folks typically meet up
[07:14] <plamic> i come from los angeles, recently moved to tualatin
[07:15] <plamic> right on see ya later
[07:19] <bkerensa> plamic: hi
[07:19] <bkerensa> welcome
[07:19] <bkerensa> :s
[07:19] <bkerensa> fail
[07:19] <bkerensa> http://vimeo.com/52106164
[07:19] <bkerensa> ^ Portland weather prediction for Winter
[19:31] <bkerensa> flashing Nexus7 with Ubuntu
[19:31] <bkerensa> :D
[19:58] <bkerensa> kees: do you know if its possible to install Ubuntu on a chromebook and run just that with dual boot?
[20:14] <kees> bkerensa: not yet -- someone needs to write a cros-boot to grub shim or something
[22:28] <bkerensa> !nexus7


 I go right after work
[11:41] <shakes808> Do we have the room yet?
[11:42] <rick_h_> party on, more hacking time
[11:43] <shakes808> I am slowly getting through that tut. I am on step 5 now, making templates. I keep having problems forgetting to start the venv lol I think I have that memorized now lol. :D
[11:56] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-michigan/1593/detail/
[11:57] <rick_h_> shakes808: awesome, repeat is good for you
[11:57] <shakes808> yeaup :D
[11:59] <shakes808> snap-l: on that loco.ubuntu link, the FB like and count box is shaking lol almost like it is a kid who knows the answer "OH! OH! OH! PICK ME! PICK ME!"
[11:59] <shakes808> lol
[12:03] <brousch> i don't see shaking
[12:23] <shakes808> I took a video with my phone. working on getting a link to it
[12:23] <brousch> put it in your dropbox public folder
[12:23] <brousch> or ubuntuone, if you swing that way.
[12:24] <shakes808> lol I am at work, haven't fully got into the UbuntuOne thing. I think I set it up. Dropbox it is ;) hold on
[12:27] <shakes808> it is an mp4, on Windows box at work brought it up in QuickTime. Not sure what others are using or what mp4 is compatible with. I can't change the format of the file that my phone takes. :(
[12:27] <shakes808> it is about 1/3 uploaded
[12:29] <brousch> wow, smoothest bug report ever! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloudprint/+bug/1003390
[12:29] <brousch> found the package, added bug, off it went.
[12:30] <shakes808> Went up on google docs faster :D https://docs.google.com/open?id=0BwyEnz3QXUWfdHJYdmNVNG9Xd1U
[12:30] <brousch> freakish
[12:31] <shakes808> lol
[12:31] <shakes808> yeah, IE for ya ;)
[12:31] <brousch> you poor, poor man
[12:32] <shakes808> Doesn't happen in Chrome
[12:32] <shakes808> IE needs to go away
[12:32] <shakes808> or get better lol
[12:33] <shakes808> The compatibility for IE v EVERY OTHER browser is horrid in about 80% of newer conventions of CSS and JS
[12:33] <shakes808> That is one thing I don't like about web dev.
[12:34] <shakes808> making things IE compatible v Chrome/FF/Safari... capatible lol
[12:35] <brousch> rick_h_ says you're doing it wrong. go read more YUI docs
[12:35] <shakes808> HA HA
[12:44] <snap-l> shakes808: It's by design. I think all Facebook buttons shake
[12:44] <snap-l> like the ol' punch the monkey banner ads
[12:45] <brousch> only IE supports the <vibrate> tag
[12:52] <shakes808> lol
[13:16] <jcastro> rick_h_: snap-l what kind of microphones do you guys use for your podcast?
[13:17] <rick_h_> jcastro: snap-l  uses a snowball and I use an audio technica AT2020
[13:19] <rick_h_> jcastro: oh sorry, I upgraded to the at 2035
[13:19] <jcastro> ah, I was thinking about a snowball
[13:19] <rick_h_> I think he dreams up upgrading to the yeti
[13:20] <rick_h_> so I'd start there if you were going fresh
[13:23] <jcastro> ooh that looks nice
[13:23] <rick_h_> yea, think it's an upgraded snowball
[13:23] <jcastro> do you have like a fancy arm for yours
[13:23] <rick_h_> yea
[13:24] <jjesse> for all the webcasts and videos i do at work i use a snowball
[13:24] <rick_h_> nice for swinging in for stand ups, out of the wya when done
[13:24] <jjesse> as the mic
[13:24] <jcastro> oh dude, it has a headphone output right on it
[13:24] <jcastro> SOLD
[13:24] <rick_h_> jcastro: https://plus.google.com/photos/fromphone/5730219334788248274 can you see that?
[13:25] <jcastro> nope
[13:25] <snap-l> I love the snowball mic, but I'd love to play with the Yeti sometime
[13:25] <snap-l> just to see if it sounds better
[13:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: shared the pic with you on G+
[13:26] <jcastro> this is for G+ and Google On Air! things
[13:26] <jcastro> so it really just needs to be better  than the built in mic on my camera
[13:26] <rick_h_> yea, not hard
[13:26] <jcastro> yeti is a nice price too
[13:26] <snap-l> Snowball will get you that in spades
[13:26] <jcastro> should I get a pop filter thing?
[13:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: you just try a noise cancelling BT headset?
[13:26] <rick_h_> I did that for a G+ hangout at the coffee shop the other day
[13:26] <jcastro> snap-l: snowball looks like it needs a stand
[13:27] <rick_h_> wonder if that would just sound nice
[13:27] <snap-l> jcastro: it comes with a desk stand
[13:27] <jcastro> rick_h_: no more BT for me, that tech can die in a fire
[13:27] <rick_h_> hah
[13:27] <snap-l> jcastro: BT is great, when it works
[13:27] <jcastro> snap-l: is there a headphone plug on it too?
[13:27] <snap-l> jcastro: No
[13:27] <jcastro> damn
[13:28] <snap-l> It just has a USB port on the back, as well as a directional switch
[13:28] <snap-l> I've actually taken it apart. It's pretty solid inside
[13:28] <jcastro> the yeti has a headphone jack, I'd need that, now that I take my layout into account
[13:28] <jcastro> (my computer is under my desk)
[13:28] <snap-l> jcastro: You won't hurt my feelings one iota if you get a Yeti
[13:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: other thing is to just run a cable
[13:28] <rick_h_> I'm going to run a headphone extender and mount it under the front of hte standing desk
[13:29] <jcastro> snap-l: we're gearheads, I can't buy the same model as you, I have to go further!
[13:29] <snap-l> just understand that what you're hearing in the headphone jack might not be 100% what is getting fed to the computer
[13:29] <jcastro> well I was thinking so I didn't need to use external speakers during a call
[13:29] <snap-l> I think the headphone jack is just for the mic
[13:29] <snap-l> not for the computer
[13:30] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I plug into my laptop itself, but want to run a a real line from the doc and mountit right under the lip of the desktop as an easy plug point
[13:30] <jcastro> that's a good idea for when I move and have a more permanent desk
[13:30] <snap-l> Oh, it is a two-way
[13:30] <snap-l> n/m me then
[13:31] <jcastro> where did you find that?
[13:31] <snap-l> http://the-gadgeteer.com/2010/08/11/blue_yeti_mic/
[13:31] <snap-l> jcastro: Normal caveats of pulseaudio apply.
[13:32] <jcastro> right, I haven't investigated that yet
[13:33] <jcastro> the only bummer is I like to type when I talk
[13:33] <jcastro> and there's really no way around that other than a headset
[13:33] <snap-l> jcastro: If you had a quiet keyboard, you wouldn't have a problem with that. :)
[13:33] <rick_h_> yea, why I like the mic on an arm
[13:33] <jcastro> rick_h_: ah ok, so I can eventually get an arm
[13:34] <jcastro> oh hey guys, I'm home this weekend
[13:34] <rick_h_> can move it away from the keyboard, mic right in the mouth kind of thing
[13:34] <jcastro> if you guys want to do shit on friday lmk
[13:34] <snap-l> Yeah,, even the snowball can be put on an arm
[13:34] <rick_h_> jcastro: dude!
[13:34] <snap-l> jcastro: Totally
[13:34] <jcastro> I was going to go hang out with aaron and the other guys
[13:34] <jcastro> this is our short trip but we'll be back a few weeks after
[13:35] <jcastro> rick_h_: you use headphones too right?
[13:35] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea
[13:36] <snap-l> I don't when we're on the call, and I have no problems with feedback
[13:36] <jcastro> hey if you're on an arm, and the speakers are behind the mic, can you get away w/o headphones?
[13:36] <jcastro> for calls I mean, not like, podcasts.
[13:36] <snap-l> at least none that I'm aware of.
[13:36] <jcastro> ah good good
[13:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: no idea, just haven't tried it
[13:37] <snap-l> I usually have things down pretty lown, though, so YMMV
[13:37] <snap-l> if your calls sound like you're standing in front of the MCP, it might have feedback issues.
[13:38] <jcastro> heh
[13:39] <jcastro> I need to find a better way to do audio in my office
[13:39] <jcastro> I think I need to bite the bullet and get a receiver
[13:39] <jcastro> too many inputs
[13:39] <snap-l> jcastro: Come back to Michigan. We have less echo
[13:39] <jcastro> we're coming back so she can interview
[13:39] <jcastro> so yeah, probably
[13:40] <snap-l> (hope hope hope)
[13:40] <snap-l> lmk where we can send the bribery
[13:40] <jcastro> she has two interviews this week
[13:40] <jcastro> one for Ann Arbor
[13:40] <jcastro> one for Birmingham
[13:41] <snap-l> I can't afford birmingham
[13:41] <jcastro> and if you could, would you?
[13:41] <jcastro> I'd prefer to live outside of it
[13:41]  * jcastro is partial to Rochester Hills
[13:41] <snap-l> I mean t to send bribes
[13:41] <jcastro> oh
[13:43] <snap-l> Hardest part about Birmingham is navigating around black cadillacs driven by women who can barely see over the sterring wheel, and are determined to take that parking spot.
[13:44] <jcastro> I just hate richers </southpark>
[13:49] <snap-l> I <3 that the expense report (in Excel) and receipts (electronically delivered) for software and ebooks (electronically delivered) has to be printed and physically signed.
[13:50] <snap-l> made sure to use the fountain pen to sign it. :)
[13:52] <brousch> Another good deal on a 120GB SSD http://goo.gl/H63jX
[13:52] <jcastro> rick_h_: I am disappoint on the new Thinkpads
[13:52] <jcastro> was hoping the X1 would be smaller
[13:52] <jcastro> I want an ultrabook now
[13:52] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, I didn't get that
[13:52] <jcastro> but a proper thinkpad
[13:53] <rick_h_> I'm going to get the x230 and give it a shot
[13:53] <jcastro> the X230 looks awesome
[13:53] <rick_h_> I've heard ok things about the keybaord change
[13:53] <jcastro> but man, it's the same laptop I have now
[13:53] <rick_h_> it's my upgrade come june
[13:53] <jcastro> nice
[13:53] <jcastro> My 220 is falling apart
[13:53] <jcastro> so I'm close
[13:53] <rick_h_> you currently have i7 gen 3 with 8gb of ram/
[13:53] <jcastro> I like the thinkpad chiclet, it's the one thing I miss from the X120e I sold snap-l
[13:53] <rick_h_> heh, my 201 is cooking string, thinking if seeing if hte wife wants it
[13:53] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, the prices have come down dramatically. Was looking at Best Buy, and they had similar Intel models pretty cheap
[13:53] <rick_h_> ok, well I'm nervous, but will hold out hope
[13:53] <jcastro> I have an x220i, it's an i3 with 4gb of RAM
[13:54] <jcastro> I don't need like, i7's and stuff, I use the cloud. :)
[13:54] <snap-l> I love the keyboard on the X120e
[13:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: If you want to try it at CHC tonight, LMK
[13:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: you don't have to run launchpad tests :P
[13:54] <jcastro> indeed
[13:54] <rick_h_> but yea, I'm just hoping the kernel is precise is ready
[13:54] <rick_h_> I don't want to have to do quantal too early because of drivers
[13:54] <rick_h_> :/
[13:55] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's usually why I hang back on new hardware
[13:55] <snap-l> I hate arrows, and the view from behind is pretty nice.
[13:55] <rick_h_> yea, but I'm eager for upgrade, it's a double edge sword. with the 2 dozen launchpad ppas I need to worry about ugh
[13:56] <rick_h_> it's either that or I do go desktop, but then I know I'll regret going back to two full machines again
[13:57] <snap-l> Get a beefy SSH box. ;)
[13:57] <brousch> i buy 2 or 3 year old machines
[13:57] <jcastro> you'll be fine on all the new thinkpads with precise
[13:57] <jcastro> ivy bridge runs awesome ootb all across the board
[13:58] <rick_h_> jcastro: yea, hoping that's the case
[13:58] <jcastro> no it's the case, it's all certified already
[13:58]  * jcastro has been following with the hardware enablement guys
[13:58] <rick_h_> nice, in that case "take my $$ lenovo!"
[13:58] <jcastro> indeed
[13:58] <jcastro> he couldn't really tell me at first
[13:59] <jcastro> but it was like "wait until April wink wink"
[13:59] <rick_h_> june is what's been reported, start of june
[13:59] <rick_h_> review time just finished up at a good time :)
[14:03] <snap-l> btw: We updated the MUG site last night
[14:03] <snap-l> http://www.mug.org/membership/
[14:04] <snap-l> Yes, there is actually information on how to join. AMAZING!
[14:05] <rick_h_> lol
[14:05] <rick_h_> going all professional...what have you done to my MUG?
[14:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Pretty soon you'll get electronic invoices for membership
[14:05] <brousch> you need a new logo
[14:06] <snap-l> No more spending $100 on postage
[14:06] <snap-l> brousch: We have one, but we need to find the files
[14:06] <snap-l> MUG has been around 25 years
[14:06] <snap-l> Hoping to get a presentation on the history of MUG at some point
[14:07] <rick_h_> hah, cool idea
[14:08] <snap-l> WEll, we have this amazing history that only a few members know about
[14:09] <jrwren> wtf is brewery vivant?
[14:09] <shakes808> snap-l: LOL got the paypal stuff up on there now :D
[14:09]  * jrwren is reading the log, can you tell?
[14:10] <jrwren> zomg, GR brewery I didn't know about.
[14:10] <snap-l> shakes808: I can neither confirm or deny that you helped aid that.
[14:10] <shakes808> Soon :D
[14:10] <shakes808> HA HA
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren: you weren't there man...you wouldn't understand :P
[14:10] <brousch> jrwren: a newish microbrewery in GR http://www.breweryvivant.com/
[14:10] <brousch> it's maybe 2 years old?
[14:10] <brousch> it's in an old church
[14:11] <snap-l> All of the good breweries and restaurants are.
[14:12] <shakes808> That looks nice
[14:12] <shakes808> But here is where I go
[14:12] <shakes808> http://www.dragonmead.com/
[14:13] <brousch> wow, hook them up with a new website
[14:17] <shakes808> I have thought about it
[14:17] <shakes808> lol
[14:18] <shakes808> maybe when I get a little better with the python stuff, I can experiment on it :D ;)
[14:19] <brousch> even Shmohz's site is better, and it's a hole in the wall http://schmohz.com/
[14:19] <shakes808> I am going to mess around with my other live site when I get my python skillz honed better as well
[14:21] <shakes808> brousch: that site is a wordpress site. Dragon Mead's site looks like it was made from scratch.
[14:21] <rick_h_> you guys check out the google doodle?
[14:21] <rick_h_> I imagine that's where snap-l disappeared to
[14:22] <jrwren> jcastro: YAY FOR COMING BACK!
[14:22] <jrwren> jcastro: pick ann arbor. There is much better beer here.
[14:23] <shakes808> n00b question, if I build a computer, could I load iOS?L
[14:24] <jrwren> shakes808: dragonmead is nice.
[14:24] <shakes808> jrwren: Jolly Pumpkin's is delicious :D
[14:24] <shakes808> haha
[14:27] <brousch> shakes808: you can build what's called a hackintosh and load OSX on it, but that's not really legal. as far as i know you can't load iOS on anything except what apple has blessed
[14:28] <shakes808> That is what I thought
[14:28] <shakes808> Thank you
[14:29] <shakes808> a buddy was asking and that is about what I said to him, wanted confirmation
[14:46] <snap-l> rick_h_: har har
[14:47] <snap-l> shakes808: I think you mean MacOSX
[14:47] <rick_h_> oh come on, you're not recording some tunes?
[14:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: I already have software synths. :)
[14:47] <shakes808> yeah, all the same lol Apple
[14:47] <shakes808> lol
[14:47] <snap-l> but yeah, this is an awesome doodle
[14:48] <rick_h_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rot9uaVO8s&feature=player_embedded speaking of awesome
[14:49] <shakes808> On America's Got Talent over the weekend there was something like this
[14:53] <snap-l> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9eliSCvq0U&feature=related
[14:55] <shakes808> That is really cool
[14:55] <rick_h_> yea, love that punch sequence
[14:55] <greg-g> rick_h_: thanks for that :)
[14:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'm on my 3rd viewing, so awesome
[14:57] <rick_h_> after this I'll get back to work, promise!
[14:57] <snap-l> heh
[14:58] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, I have this grant proposal to right today, but that was a good way to start the day
[14:58] <greg-g> right? write
[14:58] <greg-g> wow, good thing I'm not the last pass :)
[14:58] <rick_h_> hah
[15:05] <jrwren> brousch: what is "illegal" about hackintosh.
[15:05] <jrwren> A: nothing, but you break a EULA (which is no "illegal")
[15:07] <brousch> fine
[15:07] <brousch> sorry, should have been more pedantic in my response
[15:10] <brousch> the google doodle killed my laptop's midi
[15:10] <brousch> played 1 note, scratch, now nothing
[15:16] <jrwren> rick_h_: do you import logging and then logger=logging.getLogger(__name__) and then logger.info(..) in many of your modules?
[15:17] <greg-g> define illegal: if it is against the EULA, then it is illegal (see definition #2: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illegal )
[15:17] <jrwren> specifically do you do so in django views so you can observe runtime behavior?
[15:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea
[15:17] <rick_h_> jrwren: oh, in django views...not sure on that yet
[15:18] <rick_h_> we don't have logging setup right in our current thing atm
[15:18] <rick_h_> jrwren: if it's dev/etc I tend to use ipdb
[15:18] <rick_h_> logging is just for...well loggging
[15:18] <jrwren> well, if you didn't do django, I'd be asking about your pylons controllers nad views.
[15:18] <rick_h_> so yea, I do some logging if it's important, warning/info level
[15:18] <rick_h_> or running a test, and I go back and check teh logs
[15:18] <jrwren> I'm thinking more QA/Prod
[15:18] <rick_h_> but generally not really, logging can be expensive, disk access, etc
[15:18] <jrwren> I'd like to be able to answer questions when my users say "such and such happened..>"
[15:19] <jrwren> off by default of course :)
[15:19] <rick_h_> that stuff should generally should go more into an external app like sentry/etc
[15:19] <jrwren> how does that work?
[15:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, so I think my answer is yes
[15:19] <rick_h_> jrwren: basically ships the data off to a sync call to a web service
[15:19] <rick_h_> and then you can monitor/aggregate across installs, do searching/etc
[15:19] <jrwren> ah, interesing
[15:20] <rick_h_> https://github.com/dcramer/sentry
[15:21] <rick_h_> so say you run 3 app servers, they report to a single sentry you monitor
[15:22] <rick_h_> jrwren: so beware logging, anything you do in that logging is run
[15:22] <rick_h_> so if you format a string, etc, it's called even if hte logging is off
[15:22] <jrwren> yup, was already there reading :)
[15:22] <rick_h_> the .debug/info/etc is still a function call that runs
[15:22] <jrwren> and the string formatting and expense case is the same as .NET :)
[15:22] <rick_h_> ok, yea so you can hurt yourself if you do stuff like log.debug(someexpensivefunction())
[15:22] <jrwren> right.
[15:22] <rick_h_> right, but you might log more than a string
[15:22] <rick_h_> yea
[15:23] <jrwren> i had sent a patch to log4net that took llambdas
[15:23] <jrwren> log.debug( lambda: someexpsnsivefunction())
[15:23] <rick_h_> ah, nice
[15:23] <jrwren> and the imple of debug checks if logging is on and if not doesn't execute
[15:23] <jrwren> even less typing in C# cuz the lambda: becomes()=>
[15:23] <jrwren> ha, less characters, more keystrocks cuz of all teh SHIFT
[15:24] <jrwren> wow, my typing is terrible. appologies.
[15:38] <jrwren> anyone know the story behind dhclient logging to syslog verbosely by defualt?
[15:38] <jrwren> or has it always been that way and I just didn't know it?
[15:38] <snap-l> verbosely as in logging every time it hiccups?
[15:38] <snap-l> That's been like that for a few releases no
[15:39] <snap-l> at least it's been that way on my 11.04 machine
[15:39] <snap-l> Can't remember precisely when it changed.
[15:45] <brousch> jcastro? http://wtfcontent.com/img/133350120446.jpg
[15:53] <snap-l> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Representative-Table.aspx
[16:04] <devinheitmuell-1> snap-l: I wonder what happens if somebody specifies month "NULL".
[16:04] <devinheitmuell-1> :-)
[16:07] <snap-l> Or if soemone enters muerte";drop table dates;
[16:08]  * devinheitmuell-1 thinks of "Little Bobby Tables"
[16:08] <snap-l> a-yep
[16:08] <devinheitmuell-1> xkcd.com/327/
[17:28] <brousch> there is 1 comment http://www.mlive.com/opinion/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/05/question_of_the_day_how_can_gr.html
[17:29] <rick_h_> crap, forgot the headphones at the coffee shop again :/
[17:30] <snap-l> Might have someone else coming to CHC tonight
[17:30] <rick_h_> cool
[17:30] <rick_h_> who you wrangling up?
[17:30] <devinheitmuell-1> I miss CHC.  :-(
[17:31] <snap-l> The founder of Olark.com
[17:31] <rick_h_> I still don't think we have the room, but maybe
[17:31] <rick_h_> oh yea? awesome. I know some of those guys
[17:31] <rick_h_> steiza/etc
[17:31] <rick_h_> good guys, on my backup list when I joined canonical
[17:31] <snap-l> Yeah, Ben Congleton
[17:31] <rick_h_> nice
[17:36] <greg-g> Ben? he's an SI grad
[17:36] <greg-g> (the school I attended there)
[17:45] <snap-l> Yeah, Mouly sent him my way.
[17:46] <snap-l> Ann Arbor: The Silicon Valley of the mitten state
[17:47] <greg-g> MOULY!
[17:47] <greg-g> I still have one of Moul's books, heh
[17:47] <greg-g> Mouly, that is
[17:48] <snap-l> Yeah, he wondered if I remembered him
[17:48] <snap-l> Nobody forgets Mouly
[17:50] <snap-l> Also, is it just me, or has the inclusion of Lucia pretty much made KMFDM albums the same?
[17:51] <snap-l> Seriously, I used to wait patiently for nw albums, now I couldn't care less.
[17:52] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/shocking-revelations/metallica-cant-live-off-their-royalties-anymore?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+metalinjection+%28Metal+Injection+%3A%3A+Latest+Updates%29
[18:03] <nixternal> Host 'CaboWabo', running Linux 3.2.0-24-generic - Cpu0: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2327 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2327 MHz; Up: 11d+18:15; Users: 1; Load: 1.32; Free: [Mem: 133/1994 Mio] [Swap: 2036/2036 Mio] [/: 216089/235910 Mio] [/boot: 189/228 Mio]; Vpenis: 113.1 cm;
[18:03] <nixternal> reboot time. damn kernel upgrades
[18:06] <greg-g> 11days uptime with a 113cm penis?
[18:07] <snap-l> Apparently those e-mails really do work
[18:08] <greg-g> even cumulatively
[18:09] <jjesse> nnWOW
[18:09] <jjesse> wow
[18:10] <snap-l> I love the judge in the Google / Oracle trial
[18:11] <snap-l> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57439320-38/oracle-google-jury-stymied-by-more-technical-questions/
[18:14] <devinheitmuell-1> snap-l: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/google-v-oracle-no-patent-infringement-found/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[18:14] <devinheitmuell-1> Google v. Oracle: no patent infringement found
[18:18] <greg-g> weee
[18:25] <snap-l> That makes me very, very happy
[18:26] <snap-l> Now if we can get the API issue out of the way
[18:26] <snap-l> I'm so happy we got a programming judge
[18:26] <snap-l> plus he laid into the lawyers for essentially muddying up the waters
[19:10] <jrwren> snap-l: KMFDM has been pretty generic for 15 yrs.
[19:15] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I got bored during WWIII
[19:15] <snap-l> Haven't really picked up much since then
[19:20] <snap-l> Actually, my frined got me Hau Ruck for Christmas one year
[19:34] <brousch> what did i do to deserve this? "@rails_apps is now following you on Twitter"
[19:40] <jrwren> i still like nihil and the one before it.
[19:41] <jrwren> wtf is the one with light and drug against war?
[19:45] <brousch> sadness http://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2012/05/23/djangobook-schluss.html
[19:55] <jrwren> :(
[19:56] <jrwren> django needs a new book.
[19:56] <jrwren> most are very old.
[19:56] <jrwren> I've got a 1.1 and a 1.0
[19:56] <jrwren> and i'm targetting 1.2 :(
[20:10] <brousch> heh, and 1.4 is current
[21:01] <snap-l> jrwren: Angst
[22:09] <waldo323_> is there a location for deprecated repos? looking to upgrade a machine from jaunty up to present but the jaunty repos are gone
[22:14] <greg-g> old-releases.ubuntu.com I believe
[22:14] <greg-g> waldo323_: ^
[22:14] <waldo323_> thanks