[00:01] <m_3> davecheney: yo
[00:08] <davecheney> m_3: wazzup ?
[00:10] <m_3> davecheney: just wanted to touch base with you on scaling
[00:10] <m_3> davecheney: make sure you weren't waiting on me for anything
[00:14] <davecheney> m_3: nope
[00:14] <davecheney> did you use the test harness on friday ?
[00:14] <davecheney> i was going to bring it up to the latest changes and try the 300 node test again
[00:14] <davecheney> HP cloud totally shat itself once I got to 300 node last week
[00:16] <m_3> davecheney: saw email on it, but didn't get a chance to play
[00:16] <m_3> took a real weekend :)
[00:17] <davecheney> m_3: no probs
[00:17] <davecheney> you should continue to take that weekend
[00:17] <m_3> haha
[00:17] <m_3> yeah, sprinting this week
[00:17] <m_3> conference last
[00:17] <m_3> conference next
[00:17] <m_3> then another sprint
[00:17] <m_3> whoohoooo!  party
[00:18] <davecheney> shit, you travel more than I do
[00:18] <davecheney> you should sell your house, or rent it out and live in your basement
[00:19] <m_3> haha, yeah
[00:19] <m_3> it's utah, so it's cheap
[00:20] <davecheney> houses in australia don't have basements
[00:20] <davecheney> and if they did
[00:20] <davecheney> we'd convert them into garages
[00:21] <m_3> we do rack up the hilton points though
[00:21] <m_3> unfortunately it's all in my wife's name.... so I'm always Mr Martin
[00:21] <m_3> not Mr Mims
[00:21] <m_3> and not even Dr Martin
[00:22] <davecheney> shitter
[00:48]  * thumper has installed the ec2 command line tools to try to work out the difference between us-east-1 and ap-southeast-2
[00:48] <thumper> yay
[00:49] <davecheney> thumper: digging in boto is also a good way to figure out how this shit is supposed to work
[00:49] <thumper> boto?
[00:51] <davecheney> python boto
[00:51] <davecheney> _the_ python ec2 library
[00:51] <thumper> ah
[00:52]  * davecheney is really wishing he hadn't let the TA talk him into flying via LAX next week
[00:52] <thumper> heh
[00:52]  * thumper has AKL->SFO
[00:52] <davecheney> but the only option for SYD -> SFO
[00:52] <davecheney> was flying united
[00:52] <thumper> yep, that sucks
[00:53]  * thumper likes Air New Zealand
[00:53] <davecheney> UA flying an original 1970 vintage 747-400
[00:53] <davecheney> fuck that
[00:54] <davecheney> so now I have a 2 hour layover in LAX to clear customs (who are on strike) and land on time (flight controllers are also on strike) and transfer to a domestic flight
[00:54] <davecheney> soooo not going to happen
[01:01] <thumper> why is everyone striking?
[01:06] <davecheney> furlough
[01:07] <davecheney> air traffic controllers are paid with federal money
[01:07] <davecheney> and it's run out
[01:08] <davecheney> http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/FAA-Furloughs-Kick-In-But-Flights-Come-In-On-Time/81mfoekV-0SKgJ8HusTqMA.cspx
[01:21] <thumper> oh yay
[01:21]  * thumper has just realised a big problem...
[01:21] <thumper> well, bigish
[01:21] <thumper> FSVO big
[01:21] <davecheney> do tell
[01:21]  * thumper tries to work this out
[01:22] <thumper> when running tests we have MakeFakeHome
[01:22] <thumper> which writes the environments.yaml into the juju home dir
[01:22] <thumper> however MakeFakeHome doesn't take JUJU_HOME into account, but the code to work out the juju home to write the config file into does
[01:22] <thumper> so if any dev has JUJU_HOME set
[01:22] <thumper> the tests will break their environment
[01:23] <davecheney> oops
[01:23]  * thumper enfixorates
[01:23]  * thumper files bug first
[03:54]  * thumper thinks about how to side step this panic
[07:10] <rogpeppe1> mornin' all
[07:15] <TheMue> morning
[09:57] <smgz> I need a floating ip on canonistack, has anyone got one I can have?
[11:24] <dimitern> mgz, wallyworld_, jam, danilos: sorry guys I might be 5m late for the standup
[11:25] <wallyworld_> ok
[11:25] <jam> np
[11:25] <danilos> jam, dimitern, wallyworld_: I am not sure I'll be able to get mumble to work here at all :/ I think I'll drop out to find a new PSU instead of trying to fix the existing one
[11:26] <wallyworld_> what's wrong with it?
[11:27] <jam> wallyworld_: he is on his laptop, and having trouble getting it working. The PSU apparently blew out some capacitors
[11:34] <danilos> jam, wallyworld_: I have mumble working here but with a high-pitched noise (like echo) coming in from the built-in microphone, and I am sure nobody wants to listen to that
[11:34] <wallyworld_> danilos: you can maybe just listen in
[11:35] <jam> danilos: yeah you can sit in and listen
[11:39] <smgz> so, I can't connect to the standard mumble port right now
[11:39] <smgz> it appears to be a day of mumble fail
[11:39] <smgz> if there's a public server on 443 I could get to that instead
[11:43] <danilos> smgz, have you tried setting up an ssh tunnel?
[11:50] <wallyworld_> jam: forgot to mention - i had goose bot issues as well - it wouldn't land stuff and ssh to the goose bot machine failed
[11:50] <jam> wallyworld_: yeah, I haven't been able to ssh into canonistack instances for a while, I was hoping mgz would have some insight, but he only just got back.
[11:51] <wallyworld_> jam: so i justed landed my branch manually
[11:51] <jam> wallyworld_: right, I've been doing that for the last few patches until we get goose-bot sorted out again.
[11:51] <wallyworld_> ok, glad it's not just me then :-)
[11:54] <smgz> danilos: have one now, it's... not going to be much good for voice packets
[11:55] <jam> udp over tcp, great latency and reliability at the same time
[11:57] <wallyworld_> dimitern: thanks for the review. i copied that imagesFields() function from ec2 - i'll look for a reference to the file format and point to that
[11:57] <smgz> also, because of lack of floating ips, I'm going hpcloud->chinstrap->canonistack
[11:57] <smgz> were I just in the datacenter, it might be more practical
[11:58] <dimitern> wallyworld_: cheers!
[12:50] <rogpeppe1> test
[13:02] <ahasenack> hi guys, I noticed that with go-juju the binaries like open-port, close-port, juju-log and others are in /var/lib/juju/tools/machine-1/
[13:02] <ahasenack> I suppose you change PATH, so that all hooks can easily find them, right?
[13:03] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: that's right
[13:03] <ahasenack> I just stumbled upon a charm/script that sanitizes PATH to the usual bin paths, and then gojuju broke
[13:03] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: interesting
[13:03] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: where are those executables in py juju?
[13:04] <ahasenack> rogpeppe1: /usr/bin
[13:04] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: i'm not sure there's anything we can do about that unfortunately
[13:04] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: we can't put binaries in /usr/bin
[13:04] <ahasenack> why? Ubuntu policy?
[13:04] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: because we allow upgrades
[13:04] <smgz> we can fix the script...
[13:04] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: and there can be more than one version of the tools binaries on the same machine
[13:05] <smgz> or symlink probably, but really fiddingly with path shouldn't be needed
[13:05] <ahasenack> one per deployed unit, basically?
[13:36] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: one for each agent - that is one per deployed unit and one for the machine agent
[13:40] <ahasenack> rogpeppe1: hm, unrelated, but did bootstrap with raring break again? It was working yesterday
[13:40] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: yes, it's just been deliberately broken again
[13:40] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: pending a proper fix
[13:40] <ahasenack> ok
[13:40] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: which is an outstanding bug in raring
[13:41] <ahasenack> isn't raring going to be released tomorrow?
[13:41] <ahasenack> no, 25t
[13:41] <ahasenack> 25th
[13:41] <ahasenack> hardy dies tomorrow
[13:42] <ahasenack> so, hm, I can't really test my PATH fix in this charm
[13:43] <rogpeppe1> ahasenack: try with a slightly older version of juju-core
[13:43] <ahasenack> the ppa gets rid of the older ones
[13:43] <ahasenack> I can postpone this, np
[13:48] <smgz> ahasenack: you can use the version currently in the ppa
[13:49] <ahasenack> smgz: it's what I had installed, bootstrap wasn't working
[14:03] <dimitern> rogpeppe1: kanban?
[14:03] <rogpeppe1> dimitern: i'll see how the network works today...
[14:08] <rogpeppe2> darn it!
[14:08] <TheMue> rogpeppe2: no chance
[14:09] <rogpeppe2> phone company says it might be fixed tomorrow. i'm not gonna hold my breath
[14:11] <rogpeppe2> dimitern, mramm: sorry, i'm giving up. my mobile connection (previously quite reliable) doesn't like me now either
[14:12] <mramm> rogpeppe2: that's fine
[14:51] <mattyw> rogpeppe3, ping?
[14:57] <rogpeppe3> mattyw: pong
[14:58] <mattyw> rogpeppe3, I'm trying to run a unit test using the MgoTestPackage stuff in juju-core, do we have a version of mongo that will run on a 32 bit machine?
[14:58] <rogpeppe3> mattyw: i'm not sure
[14:59] <mattyw> rogpeppe3, I think we might be ok actually, we can get the enterpise edition of mongo free for development
[15:00] <rogpeppe3> mattyw: cool
[15:24] <hazmat> rogpeppe3, is the juju-core api exposed or is it only available internal to the env?
[15:24] <hazmat> in a security group sense
[15:24] <rogpeppe3> hazmat: it's exposed
[15:25] <hazmat> rogpeppe3, cool thanks
[15:25] <rogpeppe3> hazmat: are you planning on using it?
[15:27] <hazmat> rogpeppe, yes.. i've got rewriting launchpad.net/juju-deployer on my plate for this week
[15:27] <hazmat> its mostly cli forks.. but seems like a nice opportunity to use the api.
[15:28] <rogpeppe> hazmat: staying in python, or rewriting in Go?
[15:29] <hazmat> rogpeppe, not sure yet
[15:30] <hazmat> might be better in go, if there's a desire to move into core
[15:30] <rogpeppe> hazmat: it's a small enough rewrite that rewriting in Go is probably a net win
[15:30] <rogpeppe> hazmat: 'cos you can use the api package directly
[15:31] <rogpeppe> hazmat: you might want to consider putting it under https://launchpad.net/juju-utils i suppose
[15:32] <hazmat> rogpeppe, thanks for the link
[15:32] <rogpeppe> hazmat: speaking of which, here's the current way to open an API client from Go. i plan on moving some form of this function into core: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju/juju-utils/trunk/view/head:/cmd/juju-wait/main.go#L134
[15:33] <rogpeppe> hazmat: PS spot the deliberate mistake :-)
[15:33] <hazmat> rogpeppe, envname ;-)
[15:34] <rogpeppe> hazmat: indeed
[15:35] <hazmat> rogpeppe, i've had problems using any juju-core env.. any subsequent command post bootstrap does.. error: no CA certificate in environment configuration
[15:35] <hazmat> rogpeppe, do you know what might cause that ?
[15:35] <rogpeppe> hazmat: hmm, sounds like the CA certificate isn't being saved or loaded correctly
[15:36] <hazmat> i am using JUJU_HOME to separate pyjuju/gojuju envs
[15:36] <rogpeppe> hazmat: are you using the env from different machines?
[15:36] <hazmat> rogpeppe, nope
[15:36] <hazmat> rogpeppe, same machine, multiple trunk builds w and wo upload-tools, multiple regions.. etc.
[15:36] <rogpeppe> hazmat: there has been quite a bit of churn in that area since i touched it. i'll just have a look.
[15:36] <hazmat> might just be an issue with JUJU_HOME
[15:37] <rogpeppe> hazmat: that's what i think
[15:37] <rogpeppe> hazmat: it's very new
[15:38] <rogpeppe> hazmat: yes, that's the bug
[15:38]  * hazmat reports a bug
[15:38] <rogpeppe> hazmat: it always saves it to $HOME/.juju
[15:38] <hazmat> and reads from $JUJU_HOME
[15:39] <rogpeppe> hazmat: yup
[15:39] <rogpeppe> hazmat: the bug is in environs.WriteCertAndKeyToHome
[15:40] <hazmat> bug 1171910
[15:40] <_mup_> Bug #1171910:  JUJU_HOME is broken, writes cert to wrong location <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171910>
[15:41]  * rogpeppe welcomes _mup_ back
[16:10] <hazmat> is there an lp2kanban instance running on the juju core board?
[16:15] <hazmat> rogpeppe, fix in review
[16:15] <rogpeppe> hazmat: ha, i've done one too
[16:16] <hazmat> doh.. bad coordination
[16:16] <rogpeppe> hazmat: https://codereview.appspot.com/8839047
[16:16] <rogpeppe> hazmat: very very slow upload speed here
[16:17] <hazmat> rogpeppe, i went minimal.. https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/juju-core/fix-juju-home/+merge/160423
[16:19] <rogpeppe> hazmat: if poss, we generally go through codereview
[16:19] <hazmat> rogpeppe, understood, having a credential issue with google atm
[16:21] <rogpeppe> hazmat: i think that fix isn't quite right - the authoritative source for juju home is config.JujuHome()
[16:21]  * rogpeppe is still uploading
[16:22] <rogpeppe> 56Kbaud FTW
[16:22] <hazmat> rogpeppe, ack.. one minor with your branch is that it looses the cert write test if JUJU_HOME isn't set.
[16:23] <rogpeppe> hazmat: it will panic, actually
[16:23] <rogpeppe> hazmat: if config.SetJujuHome hasn't been called
[16:24] <rogpeppe> hazmat: but MakeEmptyFakeHome calls it
[16:24] <rogpeppe> hazmat: hmm, sorry ignore me
[16:24] <rogpeppe> hazmat: speaking without looking
[16:24] <rogpeppe> hazmat: i'm not sure what you mean then
[16:25] <rogpeppe> hazmat: you mean it doesn't test what happens if $JUJU_HOME isn't set?
[16:25] <hazmat> rogpeppe, yes
[16:26] <hazmat> rogpeppe, but its not clear if that's auto setup via config to HOME and tested elsewhere
[16:26] <rogpeppe> hazmat: the right place to test whether config.SetJujuHome is called is in cmd/juju
[16:27] <rogpeppe> hazmat: the JUJU_HOME env var isn't part of the contract of the environs package
[16:27] <hazmat> ack
[16:28] <rogpeppe> hazmat: there is no test, but i'm disinclined to grumble. the call to InitJujuHome is at the start of Main.
[16:29] <rogpeppe> hazmat: and juju.InitJujuHome itself is well tested
[16:29] <rogpeppe> hazmat: and that's where the $JUJU_HOME / $HOME logic is
[17:12] <rogpeppe> i'm done for the day
[17:12] <rogpeppe> see y'all tomorrow
[17:12] <TheMue> rogpeppe: cu, and much luck with your phone line
[18:06] <gary_poster> hi.  I want to announce the GUI Juju core support today.  What is the end user expected to do to start up juju core?  I'd like to try it from that direction and make sure it works
[18:06] <gary_poster> ppa?
[18:07] <mramm> gary_poster: that sounds awesome
[18:07] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:07] <mramm> yep, ppa
[18:09] <mramm> https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/devel is the latest
[18:09] <gary_poster> mramm, cool, thanks that's what I was hunting for.
[18:39] <ahasenack> gary_poster: is bootstrap working on raring yet with juju-core?
[18:39] <ahasenack> it wasn't earlier today
[18:40] <gary_poster> ahasenack, my raring machine is still updating :-P .  are you getting "error: no matching tools available"?
[18:40] <ahasenack> gary_poster: yes
[18:41] <ahasenack> gary_poster: they said it was broken on purpose today until the right fix lands
[18:41] <ahasenack> gary_poster: so maybe you should check before announcing
[18:42] <gary_poster> ahasenack, oh! ok.  Yeah id does that on quantal too.  I was wondering if they expected people to use --upload-tools until release or something
[18:42] <gary_poster> s/id does/it does/
[18:43] <gary_poster> mramm do you know of a timeline when that will be resolved?  I agree with ahasenack that it would be nicer to announce when the story is smoother
[19:02] <sidnei> hola! heard rumours that the go version has reached feature-parity with the python version. is this what the announcement is about?
[19:04] <gary_poster> sidnei, my announcement would be that the GUI works fully with juju core, with feature parity.
[19:04] <sidnei> ah, so pretty close
[19:05] <gary_poster> sidnei, the other announcement may be waiting in the wings, dunno :-)
[19:05] <sidnei> does juju-core work with canonistack yet? or does it still need public ips?
[19:05] <gary_poster> I have not tried that.  Still using pyjuju for that
[19:21] <mramm> gary_poster: I think mgz was working on it
[19:21] <mramm> gary_poster: I'll check in with him first thing in the morning (his time)
[19:21] <mramm> so I'll know before you get in to work ;)
[19:22] <mramm> sidnei: go juju works with canonistack
[19:22] <sidnei> mramm: no more public ips issues?
[19:22] <mramm> sidnei: but it does not have constraint enforcement for openstack yet (code in a branch, will be merged in the next release)
[19:23] <gary_poster> thanks mramm
[19:23] <mramm> sidnei: well, there are public IP issues on canonistack, but there are ways to get around it built in
[19:23] <mramm> now
[19:23] <sidnei> mramm: not even instance-type for constraints?
[19:24] <mramm> there will be mem, cpu/arch constraints (cross platform constraints) as soon as john's branch lands
[19:25] <mramm> but there was a lot of arguing about provider specific (instance-type) constraints, so those are not yet implemented at all
[19:25] <sidnei> mramm: what about those workarounds to get around public ip issues, is it written down somewhere?
[19:29] <gary_poster> mramm, probably already known, but fwiw, when working with the PPA, juju bootstrap --upload-tools works fine in raring and quantal, but juju deploy on raring is giving me "error:cannot log in to admin database: auth fails".  Works fine in quantal.  Maybe I am doing something wrong; will investigate later
[19:29] <ahasenack> I couldn't get it to work with canonistack the other day, some error when trying to contact swift, I think 401
[19:29] <ahasenack> but then the bootstrap errors started, and I didn't try again with canonistack
[19:30] <mramm> sidnei: I believe it is written down, but I can't find it at the moment
[19:30] <mramm> mgz and jam would know
[19:30] <mramm> gary_poster: that seems like something I am not yet aware of -- will look into it
[19:30] <gary_poster> thanks
[22:53] <hazmat> hm.. if you have multiple relations, and one is in error, you can't tell which one has the error.
[23:30] <hazmat> pip install jujuclient


[01:16] <MythbuntuGuest95> Needing assistance on a build for a friend - at his house now....  anyone here to help on this wonderfull day off!!!
[01:17] <MythbuntuGuest95> please
[01:17] <MythbuntuGuest95> please
[01:22] <hads> !ask
[01:22] <Zinn> Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[01:23] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest95, you will catch far more answers if you ask your question
[01:24] <tgm4883_laptop> Usually we are so good that we can help you without you even asking your question, but Miss Cleo went on vacation this weekend so we are unable to read your mind
[01:27] <keirian> Hello.  I am trying to install a mythbuntu frontend on an i386.  However, the install seems to hang at 87% with the message "getting the time from a network time server."  I am using the 8.04.01 disk to install.
[01:54] <pteague> anybody know what key on the keyboard relates to the info button?
[02:26] <hads> pteague: i
[02:27] <pteague> just gives me the position :(
[02:27] <hads> press it twice
[02:28] <pteague> ah, cool, ty
[04:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> !help
[04:20] <Zinn> Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[04:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> !help
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[06:38] <Steven_M> hi all, I've just got mythbuntu working, which I'm really happy about, however livetv seems to be really jumpy, even though my card has a hardware mpeg 2 encoder. (note I only have analogue tv) Any ideas why?
[07:31] <Steven_M> hi all, I've just got mythbuntu working, which I'm really happy about, however livetv and recordings seem to be really jumpy, even though my card has a hardware mpeg 2 encoder. (note I only have analogue tv) Any ideas why?
[10:18] <susa24> hello all
[10:20] <susa24> i am using the Logitech Harmony 525 remote control and on Mythbuntu the control only seems to work when you assign keys on the mythbuntu frontend. Thing is it uses keyboard commands. Is their any way of using the remote control commands?
[10:51] <quentusrex> Hello all
[10:51] <quentusrex> Is there a way to see which packages are customized by mythbuntu?
[10:51] <quentusrex> I'm trying to find a way to easily convert an Ubuntu 8.04 install to mythbuntu
[11:06] <laga> quentusrex: no packages are costumized. all packages are in the repo.
[11:06] <laga> s/repo/ubuntu archives/
[11:07] <laga> but let's keep this in the dev channel
[12:01] <sebrock> I'm trying to find ttfont.cpp but cant find it in mythbuntu...
[12:02] <sebrock> or ttfont.o
[12:38] <laga> you need to look in the source code..
[15:56] <Lemont>  I'm having issues getting the DVI on my Radeon 9200 to work with ubuntu. Can anyone recommend a good cheap PCI or AGP card with dvi or hdmi out?
[18:28] <tim__> I just installed MythBuntu (full install.. front and back).  I'm trying to figure out configuration, but it claims it can't communicate w/backend.  Asks if it's running.  Not sure where to go from here.
[18:41] <superm1> tim__, check if it's running :)
[18:41] <superm1> and look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log for errors
[18:41] <superm1> most likely related to permissions
[18:41] <superm1> on your recording groups.
[20:11] <anax83> Hello everybody
[20:11] <anax83> i have some issues installing mythbuntu.
[20:11] <anax83> i would like to install it to my via epia m900
[20:11] <anax83> is there a non graphical installer?
[20:11] <superm1> eg alternate ccd
[20:11] <superm1> cd
[20:12] <superm1> yes
[20:12] <anax83> because the splash screen where you can normally choose the boot method of the live cd, cannot be displayed correctly
[20:12] <anax83> which number has the entry to install non graphical?
[20:13] <anax83> i cannot see it, so i have to choose it blindfolded
[20:13] <superm1> oh, you need the different cd to do it that way
[20:13] <superm1> safe graphics mode is another option for you though too
[20:16] <jphillip> safe graphics might be the 3rd, but I cannot remember for sure
[20:16] <anax83> superm1: when i simply push enter, the x version is loading, but when i double click the installer, it lasts about 5 minutes until it starts the install application
[20:16] <anax83> what is safe graphics? is it x too or curses?
[20:27] <anax83> do you guys have any experience with using the dbox2 as the video input? i have a modded hacked dbox2 with neutrino and would like to use it as video card? is it a big deal to configure that?
[20:28] <laga> i havent tried it in ages
[20:28] <laga> janneg had my dbox2, he wrote a channel scanner i believe
[20:28] <laga> so it should be quite easy now
[20:29] <superm1> anax83, safe graphics is still X
[20:29] <superm1> just w/ vesa
[20:29] <laga> superm1: have you had your presentation alreadyß
[20:30] <superm1> yup
[20:31] <laga> sad, i missed it
[20:31] <anax83> laga: ok thx a lot
[20:32] <anax83> superm1: downloading the alternate iso atm, x just hangs at the installer
[20:32] <superm1> laga, well there are logs
[20:32] <laga> superm1: yeah, but now i can't ask insane questions
[20:32] <superm1> laga, wasn't too exciting imo
[20:32] <superm1> yeah i would've preferred insane questions
[20:33] <superm1> there was only one that really made me think
[20:33] <laga> hehe
[20:33] <anax83> a question related to the via-chipsets: do you know if the unichrome drivers are supported, so that mythbuntu uses the hardware-based mpeg2 chip?
[20:33] <laga> well, i kept asking stuff like "what is a distroseries", "what is a reusable model" during cprov's soyuz session ;)
[20:34] <superm1> hehe, oh man i wish i knew there was a soyuz session
[20:34] <superm1> i would've attended that
[20:35] <superm1> anax83, yeah they are
[20:35] <superm1> laga, any other ones worth attending?
[20:35] <laga> let me check the schedule
[20:35] <laga> i only read dholbach's blog postings
[20:35] <laga> does canonical pay him? he seems to do a good job
[20:36] <laga> superm1: introduction to bzr, but i missed that too
[20:37] <laga> superm1: bzr for packaging maybe, or introduction to PPAs
[20:37] <laga> although i'd prefer stuff like "do awesome stuff with PPAs"
[20:37] <superm1> dholbach does work for canonical yes
[20:37] <superm1> i dont know what he does nowadays now
[20:37] <superm1> *now=though
[20:37] <superm1> introduction to stuff is usually meh.  i want advanced XYZ
[20:38] <laga> superm1: "how to avoid making archive admins unhappy"
[20:38] <laga> that sounds good
[20:38] <laga> "ask matt zimmerman"
[20:38] <laga> hum
[20:38] <laga> he used to maintain the mythtv packages, maybe we can harrass him about that
[20:39] <laga> superm1: "unit testing python code" sounds good, maybe also "automated testing for the desktop" for MCC
[20:40] <laga> also "introduction to the installer team" - is that about the people or about the code?
[23:33] <Steven_M> hi all
[23:34] <tgm4883_laptop> !hi
[23:34] <Zinn> Thanks for being polite.  But we are so dang awesome at solving problems that we wish you would just ask your question.  Thanks.
[23:36] <Steven_M> are there drivers for ATI graphics cards available in the non-free repos?
[23:36] <superm1> in restricted yes
[23:37] <superm1> but ati cards are broken in 8.10 atm
[23:40] <Steven_M> superm1: oh :( I might have to switch to another myth distro then cause playback of livetv and recorded tv skips heaps of frames.
[23:40] <rhpot1991> are you using 8.10?
[23:40] <hads> That's 8.10
[23:40] <hads> 8.04 is the current release.
[23:41] <Steven_M> I'll just check
[23:42] <superm1> 8.10 is the development release
[23:42] <superm1> never know what people are using, so assume the worst and let them correct you
[23:42] <hads> :)
[23:42] <rhpot1991> I'd prob assume they were running the latest stable
[23:44] <Steven_M> nope mythbuntu-8.04.1-desktop-amd64
[23:44] <superm1> Steven_M, then the drivers are available
[23:44] <superm1> just use the restricted drivers manager
[23:48] <Steven_M> I don't remember seeing ATI on the list, but I may have been looking in the wrong place. thanks :)
[23:48] <superm1> it may be referred to as AMD
[23:48] <superm1> AMD bought ATI
[23:54] <Steven_M> superm1: found it, thank you so much :)
[23:54] <superm1> no problem
[23:55] <Steven_M> superm1: I was thinking of the drivers section in the installer
[23:57] <superm1> it's there too
[23:59] <Steven_M> I must have missed it somehow, sorry


[01:16] <Spreadsheet> Why isn't a loco together with a lug?
[01:16] <Spreadsheet> I found that around Ft. Lauderdale, there's many LUGs
[01:16] <Spreadsheet> Miami, Palm Beach county, the state lug, this LoCo, and probably a SE one
[01:24] <ejv> danstoner: try SIFR before for your web fonts? :)
[01:25] <Spreadsheet> Which LUG is the biggest around here?
[01:25] <ejv> danstoner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Inman_Flash_Replacement
[01:25] <ejv> you mean in florida?
[01:26] <Spreadsheet> ejv: yeah
[01:26] <Spreadsheet> I think the LoCo would be very big, since there are so many Ubuntu users
[01:26] <ejv> im the last person to be asking, having never attended a meeting
[01:26] <ejv> any physical* meeting that is
[01:28] <ejv> try checking launchpad, there may in fact be some membership metrics
[01:28] <ejv> although i can't vouch for them being up-to-date or accurate
[01:33] <mhall119> Spreadsheet: I don't have numbers for any of the LUGs
[01:33] <mhall119> but the biggest loco gathering we've had was just shy of 60 people
[01:34] <Spreadsheet> mhall119: when was that?
[01:34] <mhall119> last fall
[01:35] <Spreadsheet> 10.10?
[01:35] <Spreadsheet> 11.04 is not LTS right?
[01:36] <mhall119> um...is that question in relation to loco size?
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> No
[01:36] <mhall119> ok
[01:37] <mhall119> neither 10.10 nor 11.04 are LTS
[01:37] <mhall119> 10.04 is LTS, and 12.04 should be as well
[03:14] <gidimanunaki> Well, later all you FL people! :3


[08:05] <nottrobin> I got an email because someone changed the membership status of someone else  on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-font-beta-testing. Nothing to do with me and I never heard of that team before. I got the email because a team I'm a member of is apparently "administrator" of this team. Is there any way for me to unsubscribe from these emails?
[08:44] <cjwatson> nottrobin: Only by not being an administrator of that team, I'm afraid (it'll be via ~canonical-ux).  Although once I land one of the branches I'm working on at the moment you'll at least be able to filter them mechanically: they'll get "X-Launchpad-Notification-Type: team-membership-new" and "X-Launchpad-Message-Rationale: Admin (ubuntu-font-beta-testing) @canonical-ux" headers
[08:48] <nottrobin> cjwatson: I am an administrator of canonical-ux. does that mean I can unsubscribe the whole team from emails about ubuntu-font-beta-testing? how do I do that?
[08:48] <nottrobin> cjwatson: oh sorry you said by *not* being an administrator
[08:48] <nottrobin> cjwatson: I understand. Thanks. Looking forward to the new branch :)
[09:00] <cjwatson> Yeah, I don't think simply removing canonical-ux from administratorship of ubuntu-font-beta-testing is the right answer ...
[09:58] <Fudge> hey cjwatson  any chance you might eb able to give me some direction with ubiquity in relation to teh text installer. we on Vinu have desktop and cli images but we havn'
[09:58] <Fudge> figured a way yet to make ubiquity accessible with speakup
[09:59] <cjwatson> Fudge: Ask in #ubuntu-installer, not here, please.  I'm not working on ubiquity any more but perhaps somebody else there can help.
[09:59] <Fudge> on Vinux sorry
[09:59] <Fudge> np mate


[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:08] <superfly> morning Kilos
[07:09] <Kilos> one question. on winsucks you install a usb modem and can see balances etc. do we have a way of doing that without putting sim in fone to see?
[07:09] <Kilos> hope your cold gtting better superfly
[07:10] <Kilos> not lekker to feel sick and still work
[07:11] <superfly> Kilos: use the Betavine software
[07:12] <Kilos> ok ty superfly will look at that
[07:13] <hamub1> where does the msql database file reside in ubuntu linux, iwant to do a backup
[07:18] <nuvolari> use mysqldump?
[07:19] <nuvolari> I don't know where the file resides
[07:19] <nuvolari> :P
[07:19] <nuvolari> morning superfly , oom Kilos
[07:20] <Kilos> hi nuv
[07:20] <Kilos> grr
[07:20] <Kilos> hiya nuvolari
[07:20] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[07:21] <Kilos> baie goed dankie , en self
[07:21] <hamub1> ok guys igo it:-D
[07:23] <Kilos> superfly, do you on the offchance know how large the betavine software is. i see there are a few to download
[07:23] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[07:27] <maiatoday> hey Kilos
[07:43] <superfly> Kilos: no, I don't I'm afraid
[07:45] <Kilos> np. thank you
[07:49] <sakhi> mooning
[07:50] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: this is the one you want... https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[08:06] <superfly> Kilos: did you get that link I gave you?
[08:07] <Kilos> no superfly
[08:07] <superfly> https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[08:07] <Kilos> went off to check balance on fone
[08:08] <Kilos> ty will go see i still got 135m
[08:08] <Kilos> i went to that one before
[08:09] <Kilos> http://www.betavine.net/bvportal/community/linux
[08:09] <Kilos> looks good
[08:10] <Kilos> also this modem is a alcatel tct modem
[08:10] <superfly> it's about 1.5 megs to download
[08:10] <Kilos> thats great i will get it ty superfly
[08:12] <superfly> Kilos: don't forget to use GDebi to install it
[08:14] <Kilos> i am not sure what to actually download from there superfly
[08:15] <Kilos> i use gdebi for most stuff that doesnt come from repos
[08:15] <Kilos> does
[08:15] <superfly> https://forge.betavine.net/frs/download.php/626/vodafone-mobile-connect_2.25.01-1_all.deb
[08:15] <Kilos> ty
[08:17]  * tumbleweed would recommend sticking to network-manager where possible, but yes that has always been rather good
[08:18] <superfly> tumbleweed: nm doesn't show you your balance, AFAIK, vodafone mobile connect does
[08:18] <tumbleweed> oh, that's rather cool
[08:19] <tumbleweed> someone needs to write a decent USSD tool for modemmanager
[08:19] <superfly> I think it's pretty much supposed to be a copy of the Windows software
[08:21] <Kilos> dependancy ozerocdoff. must i get that from them too superfly . its not in synaptic
[08:21] <tumbleweed> have you seen http://www.nerve.org.za/mdma/ (for windows?)
[08:21] <superfly> Kilos: yes
[08:21] <Kilos> or go the link i gave you and get their repo
[08:21] <tumbleweed> he seems keen to do something sane for modemmanager
[08:22] <superfly> Kilos: https://forge.betavine.net/frs/download.php/538/ozerocdoff_0.4-2_i386.deb
[08:29] <Kilos> oh great ty superfly . the other necessary files came outa the repos
[08:29] <Kilos> all python
[08:29] <superfly> yup
[08:30] <Kilos> hehe
[08:30] <Kilos> clever kids hey?
[08:30] <superfly> indeed
[08:34] <Kilos> now i gotta find the port the modem is in
[08:35] <Kilos> its in the 4 in 1 hub
[08:35] <Kilos> i try man betavine
[08:36] <Kilos> vodafone mobile connect i mean
[08:36] <Kilos> got it in man
[08:37] <Kilos> will see if i unnerstoods it
[08:37] <Kilos> hehe
[08:40] <superfly> Kilos: USB does not work the same as serial or parallel ports
[08:40] <superfly> there are no port numbers
[08:41] <Kilos> maybe i gotta disconnect the nm first
[08:51] <Kilos-> nope keeps saying could not open port errno 2
[08:52] <kilos> murphy back again. as jy kan sukkel sal jy
[08:59] <superfly> kilos: no, that's the pessimistic law, not Murphy's law
[09:04] <inetpro> good morning
[09:06] <superfly> hey inetpro, you at work, or taken some time off?
[09:06] <inetpro> yep at the office
[09:07] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[09:07] <inetpro> hiho Kilos
[09:07] <inetpro> Kilos: did you come right yet?
[09:07] <inetpro> sorry for not being able to help
[09:07] <Kilos> yip the modem works
[09:07] <inetpro> Kilos: very nice
[09:07] <Kilos> had to enter the
[09:07] <Kilos> um
[09:07] <Kilos> network unlocking code
[09:08]  * superfly goes out for a bit
[09:08] <superfly> seeya later
[09:08] <Kilos> bit of what Sub_Oracle
[09:08] <Kilos> hehe
[09:08] <Kilos> naughty boy
[09:08] <Kilos> eish
[09:08] <Kilos> that was for the fly
[09:10] <Kilos> can one send screen shots to a paste bin?
[09:10] <inetpro> Kilos: network unlocking code?
[09:10] <marcog> Kilos: use imgur.com
[09:11] <Kilos> it is from a site that that unlocks cellfones and modems inetpro
[09:11] <Kilos> Maaz, unlock mobile
[09:11] <Maaz> http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-906388-p-63.html
[09:11] <inetpro> yikes
[09:11] <Kilos> its for mobiles stuck to one service provider
[09:12] <Kilos> ty marcog
[09:12] <Kilos> and morning to ya
[09:14] <Kilos> i found my stc modem is actually an alcatel tct mobile modem just locked to stc in saudi
[09:14] <Kilos> took 2 days of gray hair
[09:14] <Kilos> lucky they too short to pull out
[09:14] <Kilos> hehe
[09:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:15]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[09:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:19] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:19] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[09:47] <Kilos> lo plustwo_
[09:48] <plustwo_> morning all
[09:48] <plustwo_> hi Kilos ...
[09:58] <Kilos> hi |3o|3
[09:58] <|3o|3> hey Kilos
[09:58] <|3o|3> Lovely weather?
[10:00] <inetpro> is there something wrong with za.archive.ubuntu.com this morning? Downloads seem to be slow on this side. But maybe it's just a local issue.
[10:01] <plustwo_> well i tried to download this file from yesterday and it froze at 39% ... http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-current_270.41.06-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:36] <tumbleweed> inetpro: mirror.ac.za's debian archive has been broken for over a week. I don't have high expectations from them atm
[10:37] <inetpro> hmm....
[10:40] <drubin> it seems SF has taken all their time and effort
[10:41] <drubin> Symmetria: are the mirrors going to be fixed by next week for the release?
[13:39] <Kilos> ah superfly . my vodafone package doesnt find any devices. thats why it asked for port number
[13:40] <Kilos> no option of device settings, only custom settings
[13:47] <Kilos> its an alcatel modem. maybe thats why
[14:13] <Kilos> me very unhappy to see attendance so low here
[14:13] <Kilos> where has everyone gone
[14:49] <drubin> Kilos: we are here just quiet
[14:50] <Kilos> yeah drubin but so few
[15:22] <maiatoday> Kilos I am around but very busy
[15:22] <maiatoday> I should have organised a monthly meeting again but I had super stressful time with my studies
[15:22] <Kilos> good to know maiatoday
[15:22] <Kilos> eish
[15:23] <Kilos> i dont need help ty. just we so few compared to last year
[15:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:28]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[15:29] <Kilos> Maaz, move it
[15:29] <Maaz> Don't rush me Kilos . Making decent coffee is an art
[15:30] <queery> haha
[15:30] <queery> that's so cool
[15:30] <queery> maaz, i love you
[15:30] <Maaz> queery: Excuse me?
[15:31] <queery> maaz, never mind
[15:31] <Maaz> queery: *blink*
[15:31] <queery> s/he does love me
[15:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:34] <queery> ok here's the deal with the cake for saterday
[15:34] <queery> I can't afford it
[15:35] <queery> it would cost us R260 for a massive one with ubuntu logo and stuff printed on
[15:35] <queery> and that is the only one we are allowed to take to the event
[15:36] <queery> maaz announce Any one want to sponsor the R260 for the Ubuntu cake?
[15:36] <Maaz> Announcement from queery! Any one want to sponsor the R260 for the Ubuntu cake
[15:38] <tumbleweed> I'm sure CLUG would be happy to
[15:38] <tumbleweed> I'll ask the rest of the committee tonight
[15:39] <queery> thanx buddy
[15:39] <queery> need to know asap so we can place an order
[15:40] <tumbleweed> 90% of packet loss on SEACOM ftl
[15:40] <tumbleweed> queery: order it
[15:40] <queery> serious
[15:40] <queery> ok
[15:41] <queery> need to make the print thing tonight then
[15:41] <tumbleweed> are you happy to be re-imbursed?
[15:41] <queery> the image i mean
[15:41] <queery> sure
[15:41] <tumbleweed> ok, please mail me an invoice
[15:41] <tumbleweed> or receipt
[15:41] <queery> i just put it on our invoice for the venue
[15:42] <tumbleweed> fine
[15:42] <queery> awesome
[15:42] <tumbleweed> actually I'll just mail clug-committee now
[15:47] <queery> thanx
[15:50] <drubin> queery: we are paying for the venue?
[15:50] <queery> no
[15:51] <queery> there is not suppose to be an invoice for anything
[15:51] <queery> but ill see how I can wangle the cake thing
[15:52] <queery> ill either get the cake's invoice from the bakery or get the bloukamer to pay it and an invoice from them
[15:52] <drubin> ah ok
[15:52] <drubin> tumbleweed: Lots of new faces at the release party on saturday
[15:52] <drubin> marcog: ^ nice work on the fb event thingy
[15:53] <tumbleweed> queery: My proposal to sponsor it has been seconded.
[15:53] <queery> awesome
[15:53] <queery> thanx guys
[15:55] <marcog> drubin: well, they still have to pitch :)
[15:55] <marcog> but i think this is the benefit of having it a public location
[15:56] <marcog> we're also still bugging the leg committee to announce it
[15:56] <queery> drubin, remind me later this week to send out reminders
[15:56] <queery> im so going to forget
[15:57] <tumbleweed> marcog: it was announced today
[15:58] <marcog> kk
[16:00] <drubin> tumbleweed: who where? the ml?
[16:00] <drubin> we should announce it on clug-annouce
[16:00] <tumbleweed> drubin: http://lists.leg.uct.ac.za/pipermail/leg-announce/2011-April/000024.html
[16:01] <tumbleweed> drubin/anyone: Send me a message or post to clug-announce, I'll approve / forward it
[16:01] <marcog> tumbleweed: jan is pretty sloppy lol
[16:02] <drubin> marcog: please make the annoucement you always do it with such motivation and awesomeness? :)
[16:03] <marcog> drubin: um wat, i do?
[16:03] <drubin> marcog: Yip you do
[16:03] <drubin> look how many people you got to come to geek dinners

[16:04] <marcog> drubin: i never sent that announcement
[16:35] <drubin> marcog: but you could send this one
[16:35] <drubin> ;-p
[16:35] <marcog> drubin: i'm ahead of you ;)
[16:37] <marcog> drubin: http://pastebin.com/M2E1uMKS lg?
[16:38] <tumbleweed> I don't think "details on facebook" is sufficient
[16:39] <tumbleweed> link to something publically accessible
[16:40] <drubin> loco.ubuntu.com is public
[16:40] <tumbleweed> indeed
[16:40] <tumbleweed> also actually put some of the details in the message, otherwise poeple who don't like braais will assume it's a braai
[16:41] <tumbleweed> I mentioned it to jason and he said "meh, braai", I had to say "it isn't this time"
[16:41] <drubin> http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2011/04/01/ubuntu-1104-natty-release-party-western-cape
[16:41] <drubin> you can link to those as well
[16:41] <drubin> it is a resturant
[16:42] <drubin> with hotdogs and bar and being able to order other food.
[16:42] <drubin> queery: ^ we can order other stuff as well right?
[16:42] <marcog> yeah i mentioned that in the opening paragraph
[16:43] <queery> well..
[16:43] <queery> I org that there wil be hot dogs
[16:44] <queery> and there will be a cash bar
[16:44] <queery> but the kitchen will prob only be open till like 1 if at all
[16:44] <marcog> tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/TYxbcSBP ?
[16:45] <tumbleweed> marcog: you're welcome to still include a facebook link if you want. Looks good.
[16:45] <marcog> tumbleweed: the news post links to fb
[16:45] <marcog> tumbleweed: reason i was going with fb, is i want to be more n00b-friendly
[16:46] <drubin> marcog: include the fb link
[16:46] <marcog> sent
[16:46] <marcog> mk, caught it in time :P
[16:46] <tumbleweed> marcog: not very facebook-shunner friendly, though
[16:46] <marcog> gmail undo ftw
[16:47] <marcog> tumbleweed: yeah i realise, didn't think at first that you'd need to be logged in to view it
[16:47] <marcog> which i find silly
[16:47] <tumbleweed> it's how facebook has always been
[16:47] <marcog> i realise
[16:47] <marcog> doesn't make it any less silly :P
[16:47] <tumbleweed> indeed
[16:48] <Symmetria> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/16/broadcom_ceo_charges/ <[16:48] <marcog> sent
[16:51] <drubin> Symmetria: Speaking of geeks... are we going to have an updated mirror?
[16:52] <tumbleweed> marcog: approved
[16:52] <marcog> ta
[16:53] <superfly> drubin: I think Symmetria is avoiding us :-P
[16:53] <drubin> no I know he is :)
[16:54] <tumbleweed> given the high international packet loss this afternoon, I don't blame him
[19:59] <nuvolari> hmm. any pitivi guru's around?
[20:00] <nuvolari> I need to turn a clip 90° clock-wise
[21:09] <Kilos> eish nuvolari peeps are min here
[21:09] <Kilos> i go sleep now
[21:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:10] <Kilos> Maaz, night
[21:10] <Maaz> Cheers Kilos
[21:13] <queery> maaz, good night
[21:13] <Maaz> Cheers queery
[22:31]  * nlsthzn waves
[22:38] <superfly> Evening nlsthzn
[22:42] <nlsthzn> superfly: Hiya :)
[22:43] <drubin> marcog: Hey you still have the banners right? can you please bring them to the release party on sat?
[22:44] <tumbleweed> they're by my desk
[22:51] <drubin> tumbleweed: awesome please remember them ;-p mostly for the photos and stuff
[23:04] <nlsthzn> the latest release caught us out in the UAE... so we haven't got anything planned... but hopefully 11.10 will have a proper release celebration here
[23:08] <drubin> nlsthzn: it is not too late :)
[23:09] <marcog> drubin: i'd tend to agree with nlsthzn that it is
[23:09] <marcog> rather make the first one a reasonable size than dissapoint the few who come
[23:10] <nlsthzn> there is a general meeting the 4th so the guys going will use it as a little get togerher... but the next one we hope to have a bit bigger scale... higher profile :)


[03:50] <vychune> o/
[05:14] <chris4585> I like how xchat likes to connect to freenode the second time I try running xchat
[13:32] <cyberanger> Morning everyone
[13:33] <cyberanger> chris4585: I like how when I try to run my client twice, it prompts me it's already running (and usually autoconnects
[13:33] <cyberanger> real nice bit)
[13:52] <vychune> morning
[13:52] <wrst> morning vychune, cyberanger
[13:53] <wrst> anybody have any trouble with the storms overnight?
[13:54] <vychune> scared the shit outta me besides that nope
[13:54] <vychune> had problem with my new dog though
[13:54] <vychune> 400 dollars for hospital bills
[14:04] <vychune> switching clients
[14:17] <vychune> im bacccccccccccccccck
[14:19] <vychune> but nobody else is lol
[14:20] <cyberanger> wrst: what storms?
[14:20] <wrst> you didn't feel them?
[14:20] <wrst> or like me slept through them?
[14:22] <cyberanger> they never got here, UT Medical Center, but not Maryville
[14:22] <vychune> maryville?
[14:27] <cyberanger> vychune_afk: yeah, Metro-Knoxville
[14:28] <vychune_afk> oh ok
[14:30] <vychune_afk> o/
[17:50] <cyberanger> wrst: now we're getting rain
[17:50] <wrst> thought you might... much?
[18:00] <cyberanger> no, and short lived too
[18:06] <wrst> that's good
[18:07] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm counting down the minutes until laptop delivery
[18:08] <cyberanger> cool
[18:09] <cyberanger> wrst: did you see my squid memory usage link?
[18:09] <cyberanger> part of where I see 16GB coming from
[18:10] <wrst> yes
[18:11] <cyberanger> that's gonna be super
[18:12] <cyberanger> esp. for confrences and such
[18:12] <cyberanger> give a percieved bandwidth boost
[18:13] <cyberanger> Part of why I'm building this extremely compact
[18:13] <cyberanger> rivaling a laptop if I can
[18:14] <wrst> cool
[18:15] <cyberanger> it'll be a real nice carputer of sorts
[18:15] <cyberanger> too
[18:17] <cyberanger> I'm gonna have fun with this
[18:19] <cyberanger> wrst: any fun plans for the laptop?
[18:31] <wrst> cyberanger: not really other than just triple booting maybe quadruple booting
[18:31] <cyberanger> that's all? nothing new for you?
[18:36] <wrst> not really on the laptop i pretty much had the setup that works for me
[18:36] <wrst> i do plan on giving Unity a little more of a shot
[18:37] <wrst> also going to be nice to experience not having to fuss with hardware (hopefully)
[18:39] <wrst> cyberanger: you have any suggestions? :)
[18:40] <cyberanger> well, the hardware I didn't look for any issues that didn't stick out (none came to mind)
[18:41] <wrst> me either one reason i went intel, on the chip as you said
[18:41] <wrst> cyberanger: but you think of anything i need to tinker with?
[18:42] <cyberanger> and my only other suggestion is grab unity, toss in blender, wait
[18:42] <cyberanger> for perfection
[18:43] <cyberanger> now for hardware, with what I saw, should be good
[18:48] <wrst> cyberanger: oh yeah going to run unity, probably won't use it much
[19:18] <cyberanger> wrst: instead using the CLI, Right? ;-)
[19:18] <cyberanger> wrst: http://paste2.org/p/1437609
[19:19] <wrst> ha ha pretty good cyberanger
[19:20] <wrst> cyberanger:  I am going to install Arch also so needless to say some CLI will be involved ;)
[19:21] <cyberanger> "I got an answer that was completely accurate and totally irrelevant to my problem" I wonder how common that is
[19:22] <cyberanger> but I love it (fits me rather well too, I can be a bit of a smart, um, smart something)
[19:22] <wrst> no I never noticed ;)
[19:24] <cyberanger> How'd the answer help you find the airport, well, I got an answer that was completely accurate and totally irrelevant to my problem, must have been the IBM building
[19:25] <cyberanger> (the IBM building is really nice too, but to me it'd be too big a landmark for that area of atlanta)
[19:35] <cyberanger> Arch, Ubuntu, one or two more linux OSes, hrm?
[19:36] <cyberanger> what else
[19:41] <wrst> cyberanger: win 7 will leave it
[19:44] <cyberanger> in a VM?
[19:46] <wrst> no will leave it as an option to boot for when i need it, since i will have a 640GB hard drive have plenty of room for all the above
[19:48] <cyberanger> room, that seems like small potatos compared to my plans
[19:49] <cyberanger> and also, how often do you plan to need it?
[19:52] <cyberanger> Windows 7 on this laptop I mean
[20:04] <cyberanger> wrst: this is more like it, thunder, hail
[20:04] <wrst> ha ha
[20:04] <wrst> cyberanger: just got it
[20:04] <wrst> well always needing to test something here and there with windows
[20:05] <wrst> good to keep up to date on win stuff atleast
[20:06] <cyberanger> wrst: in moderation I suppose
[20:06] <cyberanger> 1 in 4 ratio would be better, care to quad boot OpenSUSE or Fedora then ;-)
[20:10] <cyberanger> well, that was short too, worse to the south
[20:12] <cyberanger> Xpistos: that was quick
[20:12] <cyberanger> how goes it?
[20:13] <wrst> cyberanger: probably going to put F15 on it also
[20:13] <wrst> man win 7 still blows compared to...
[20:14] <cyberanger> Crap which shall not be named
[20:14] <wrst> well cyberanger it boots going to install ubuntu now :)
[20:15] <cyberanger> you sure, arch could go first ;-)
[20:17] <chris4585> I think the last few times I installed ubuntu ontop of arch it didn't recognize it in grub :/
[20:29] <wrst> chris4585: it has no trouble now with it done it a few times :)
[20:30] <chris4585> thats good
[20:31] <wrst> grub 2 is starting to actually work as advertised now i don't need the documentation i wanted :)
[20:32] <chris4585> grub2 still confuses me on the configuring part.. I liked the old menu file
[20:32] <cyberanger> wrst: when did it not, honestly I never had an issue that was exclusive to grub2 (and I've been using Grub2 only features I'll need soon)
[20:34] <wrst> early days it woudl pick other linuxes up but never get them right for me but now save fedora/opensuse its pretty decent
[20:34] <wrst> and those may be better now
[22:16] <cyberanger> and they're a bit oddball to me anyhow
[22:16] <cyberanger> yum and grub, hrm....
[22:23] <wrst> ha ha
[22:23] <wrst> yeah opensuse especially i think is a pile of junk, however fedora 15 and gnome 3 is pretty nice i have tried it out
[23:21] <chris4585> wrst, it really is
[23:21] <chris4585> I had it on my laptop while it was in beta and it was lovely
[23:21] <chris4585> fedora 15 ^
[23:25] <pace_t_zulu> http://www.collegehumor.com/picture/6499584/the-most-interesting-president-in-the-world
[23:26] <pace_t_zulu> is f15 out? i thought it isn't out for a little bit
[23:27] <pace_t_zulu> i stand corrected
[23:28] <pace_t_zulu> i guess they don't invalidate torrents of old isos
[23:32] <chris4585> yes fedora 15 is out