[00:09] <hggdh> Lucid has 5 years for server, not for desktop. Precise is the first version that has equal-time support for both server and desktop
[08:35] <Laibsch> hggdh: OK, but duplicity is a command-line tool
[14:20] <TheLordOfTime> why is it we don't have a canned response for "Bug Filed Against EOL Release"?
[14:21] <TheLordOfTime> also, i assume bugs against EOL releases get "Won't Fixed"
[14:32] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: as long as they have already been fixed on a supported release, or that the package has been dropped from all supported releases
[14:33] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, its a server package, php5.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/744371  <--
[14:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 744371 in php5 "PHP5-FPM doesn't always restart on 10.10" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:34] <TheLordOfTime> i'm already on it with hallyn in the server channel
[14:34] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: cool
[14:34] <TheLordOfTime> i also needed a reminder, been a while since i've focused on bugs :p
[14:34] <TheLordOfTime> on another note
[14:34] <TheLordOfTime> I think we should have a canned response for "EOL release" bugs... something like this: Thank you for taking the time to make Ubuntu better.  Unfortunately, this bug is filed against an EndOfLife release of Ubuntu.  This means that the release of Ubuntu this bug is filed against is no longer supported or updated.  If this bug exists in a later release of Ubuntu that is supported (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases contains a
[14:34] <TheLordOfTime> list of all releases of Ubuntu, both supported and EndOfLife), you may refile against the package using information from the package in that version of Ubuntu.
[14:35] <TheLordOfTime> bleh stupid paste
[14:35]  * TheLordOfTime pastebins
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> ignore this wordwrap, its evil:
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1267499/
[14:36] <TheLordOfTime> i had to manually word-wrap it
[14:39] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, we should have something under Responses IMO for this, otherwise i'll just BS it each time :P
[14:39] <hggdh> I thought we had
[14:39] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: if not there, add one, please
[14:40] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, i didnt see one, please  sift through to correct me if i'm wrong
[14:40]  * TheLordOfTime hasnt had coffee or breakfast, and doesn't want to sift through these things.
[14:48] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: indeed, nothing particular to this case. Please go ahead and add one :-)
[14:48] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh, see pastebin for a suggested response: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1267499/
[14:50] <hggdh> s/against an EndOfLife release of Ubuntu/against a release of Ubuntu that is no longer supported/  # assume an OP is a casual user
[14:50] <hggdh> bah. You explain that before
[14:50] <hggdh> s/before/after/
[14:50] <hggdh> I really need coffee
[14:51] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: good
[14:51] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[14:51] <TheLordOfTime> i'll post that later then
[14:51] <TheLordOfTime> or rather right now.
[14:51] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:52] <silverarrow> hi
[20:52] <silverarrow> can someone un-private a bug for me?
[20:52] <silverarrow> it turns out useless when noone can see it?
[20:53] <silverarrow> bug report launched by it`s self when mplayer / gecko crashed,
[20:53] <silverarrow> hi phillw
[20:56] <silverarrow> this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mplayer/+bug/1064049
[20:56] <ubot2> silverarrow: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x91e6fac> bug 1064049 not found
[20:57] <jtaylor> looks like its a security bug, you'll have to ask in ubuntu-hardened
[20:57] <silverarrow> no, it is mplayer gecko bug
[20:58] <jtaylor> is the number correct? I can't access it
[20:59] <phillw> jtaylor: are there any bug squad admins on duty?
[20:59] <silverarrow> yeah, I made it a few minutes ago
[20:59] <jtaylor> I'm in bug squad but can't read it
[21:00] <jtaylor> that either means a launchpad bug or blocked by security
[21:00] <jtaylor> or wrong number
[21:03] <phillw> silverarrow: can you check on your lp page for reported bugs? (there is a tab for bugs)
[21:03] <silverarrow> let mehttp://imagebin.org/231326
[21:04] <silverarrow> we keep running in circles here
[21:04] <jtaylor> is it your bug? you can make it public yourself
[21:04] <silverarrow> I can?
[21:04] <jtaylor> click on the button on the top right
[21:05] <silverarrow> is it there now?
[21:05] <jtaylor> yes
[21:05] <silverarrow> bug 1064049
[21:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064049 in gnome-mplayer "gnome mplayer with gecko crashes, do not work on PowerPC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064049
[21:06] <phillw> thanks jtaylor
[21:06] <jtaylor> the coredump may contain private information
[21:06] <silverarrow> I can`t think of any info which should not be public ?
[21:06] <jtaylor> you should remove it if you care
[21:06] <silverarrow> well, passworks would be a i bit annying to have plublic, but have no state secrets on the computer
[21:06] <silverarrow> passwords *
[21:07] <jtaylor> I wonder why I couldn't see the bug
[21:07] <silverarrow> what is core dump?
[21:07] <jtaylor> a dump of the memory at the time of the crash
[21:07] <jtaylor> it if you typed in passwords into mplayer they might be in there
[21:07] <jtaylor> though I don't think mplayer has that feature :)
[21:08] <silverarrow> no passwords in mplayer
[21:08] <silverarrow> in firefox yes
[21:08] <jtaylor> if you are unsure make it private again and wait for the apport retracer to get the stacktrace
[21:08] <jtaylor> then check the stacktrace for private information, and make it public again
[21:09] <silverarrow> do they ever?
[21:09] <silverarrow> I had a bug yesterday which autolaunched too, never heard anything on it, it went privat
[21:09] <jtaylor> its very very rare
[21:09] <jtaylor> but every crash is considered private due to the possibility
[21:09] <silverarrow> I understand
[21:10] <silverarrow> password would be the only thing I mind having plublic
[21:10] <jtaylor> coredumps on the other hand are more likely to contain passwords typed into the application thats why they are always removed by the retracer
[21:10] <silverarrow> I see
[21:11] <silverarrow> yeah I lost a lot of point there lol
[21:13] <phillw> jtaylor: just so as to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#My_Bug_went_Private which is being also mirrored at Ubuntu-QA, do you have the time to update that section? Thanks (I'll copy it over to main ubuntu-qa area)
[21:13] <jtaylor> there should be a section on private bugs in the bugsquad wiki you can copy
[21:14] <phillw> jtaylor: can you give me the link, thanks
[21:16] <jtaylor> hm apparently not
[21:16] <jtaylor> also the askubuntu question is laking
[21:17] <jtaylor> thats defininetly something that should be improved
[21:17] <jtaylor> especially telling people they can mark it public themself
[21:17] <jtaylor> but I got to go now
[21:17] <jtaylor> bye
[21:18] <phillw> jtaylor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#Bugs is what we currently have, whilst it cannot hold a whole wiki area in a few paragraphs, I do ask that you guys have a look at it & update where needed.
[21:18] <silverarrow> bye
[21:19] <phillw> jtaylor: thanks, sweet dreams


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[07:04] <NinjaKirby> Hello, I have an issue with a new graphics card giving me no monitor signal. How should I rectify this? I'm upgrading from an ancient PCI-E Nvidia GeForce 6200LE(!) to a somewhat more modern GT730.
[07:05] <NinjaKirby> My old card still works, so if I need to gain visual access to make software changes prior to the upgrade I can do so.
[07:06] <NinjaKirby> It's worth noting, that the 6200LE is so old that although technically supported by the official NVidia drivers, it always caused graphical chaos so my Lubuntu setup is still only set to use Neavue drivers or whatever they're called.
[07:11] <NinjaKirby> Oh wait, I think the problem is more serious. Computers are so annoying.
[07:16] <NinjaKirby> Ah ha, I think it might have been a dust problem, which I'm now choking on.
[07:20] <NinjaKirby> Thank god for that, it was dust. The GT730 is running the display. Thanks for listening to my codswallop.
[07:23] <tsimonq2> NinjaKirby: :)
[07:34] <NinjaKirby> It's a little un-nerving how long it takes to switch drivers... considering all the hassle I had changing them 2 months ago trying to get my 6200LE to work.
[07:34] <NinjaKirby> I'm using the GUI for this, but perhaps I should have learned to CLI it, because I'd be nice to see what the hell it's doing in the background.
[08:02] <onla> how do I set default keyboard layout with dconf or something? I moved to using i3, and I could set my layout with setxkbpmap, but if I reconnect my keyboard, the system sets my default keyboard from somewhere I don't know. The default keyboard text string is found in /home/onla/.config/dconf/user but that is a binary file
[08:02] <onla> on lubuntu 14.04
[08:08] <onla> oh, /etc/default/keyboard file has the stuff probably
[08:16] <NinjaKirby> https://pastebin.com/S0ue6frU How screwed am I just from trying to change GPU drivers. I try to install something using Apt-Get, DPKG has a problem, I follow it's advice, it crashes at the last line after a few minutes of thinking. Is it safe to just switch to another set of drivers?
[08:21] <NinjaKirby> I've got about 40 minutes to hang around, I hope someone can offer some insight, thanks.4
[08:22] <NinjaKirby> As usual, I know ya'll aren't getting paid, or even necessarily at your computers right now - I do realise :)
[08:49] <NinjaKirby> I was hesitant to try and rectify it myself because this is a server for a new business... but, I googled the Symlink issue and it's a problem from this year's February-onwards that is haunting NVidia users. So I used the solution I found, and DPKG auto-config has progressed much further.
[08:51] <NinjaKirby> And Apt-Get is working again, yey.
[09:02] <NelafanjiKepisko> God sake, power cut. Okay, thanks for listening to more codswallop, laters.
[09:21] <EleanorEllis> In archive-manager, Which compression method will compress a folder and su-folders down to least size for jpeg photos and mp4 videos?
[12:28] <gra231> can i ask
[12:30] <gra231> should I say, "is there anyone here?" or "are there anyone here?"
[12:31] <gra231> should I ask
[12:39] <gra231> tsimonq
[16:06] <TheDeetster> having a problem here with a triple monitor display on a desktop. I have onboard graphics with VGA, a PCIe DVI card and a USB to VGA adapter. was just running it all together with out issue on windows, but decided to format and slap lubuntu on it after playing around with a live USB on my laptop.
[16:06] <TheDeetster> System Information is only showing "Monitor 0" for the onboard adapter
[16:15] <TheDeetster> attempting a proprietary driver change and a reboot
[16:21] <knock-> So Lubuntu is switching to LXQT...Will I still be able to download Lubuntu with LXDE after the switch ? or should I install Ubuntu then manually install the LXDE  ?
[16:21] <wxl> knock-: it is not clear that we are going to only offer one or the other
[16:22] <wxl> knock-: but there are still lxde metapackages
[16:23] <knock-> Thanks, It would be great if you added an o-ption to select between LXQT and LXDE...
[16:24] <wxl> we've had lots of discussion, but i'm thinking there will actually be two images. all of the apps are not necessarily interchangable between the two
[16:24] <wxl> for example, firefox is not qt compatible, so it can't be used on lxqt without pulling in all the qt libraries
[16:24] <wxl> vice versa with qupzilla and gtk
[16:26] <wxl> technically you could have both, it's just that it's not necessarily as lightweight as possible
[16:32] <TheDeetster> well that did absolutely nothing.
[16:32] <TheDeetster> System display on the onboard and PCIe when booting
[16:32] <TheDeetster> shuts down the PCIe once lubuntu launches.
[16:34] <TheDeetster> unplugged the on board display, PCIe still shuts down at launch
[16:34] <TheDeetster> USB display adapter, no where to be found
[17:01] <TheDeetster> anyone got any ideas here?
[17:37] <TheDeetster> tried to switch over the x.org nouvaeu display, now instead of power save mode on the PCIe display, i get white dots all over it
[19:59] <Shawn|i7-720QM> howdy
[19:59] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I'm trying to boot lubuntu 17.04 on my ML350 G4P server, and its getting NMI watchdog soft lockup reports
[20:00] <Shawn|i7-720QM> continuously
[20:00] <wxl> maybe it's the server questioning your decision to put a desktop OS on a server XE
[20:01] <Shawn|i7-720QM> isn't lubuntu fit for a server?
[20:01] <wxl> in general, a server usually has a non-GUI installed on it
[20:02] <wxl> i mean technically, you can put anything on it you want, but it's pretty rare that anyone bothers
[20:02] <wxl> servers are meant to run services rather than providing a desktop experience
[20:03] <wxl> they're usually configured hardware wise to ensure uptime, which isn't always a desktop requirement
[20:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well a gui makes server management a lot easier
[20:04] <wxl> most services provide a GUI tool through the web
[20:04] <wxl> and "easier" is questionable
[20:04] <wxl> i'd rather script things
[20:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well idk hwo to use iLo
[20:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *how
[20:05] <wxl> for example, CUPS is a printer service. you can run a central server for it. just go to IP:631 and there's your GUI
[20:06] <wxl> otherwise you end up using a bunch of resources on your server providing a display server, which not only opens up potential security issues, but also wastes precious resources for your services
[20:06] <wxl> regarding your issue, it could be all sorts of things, but the most likely relate to either bad hardware or bad BIOS settings
[20:07] <Shawn|i7-720QM> https://s25.postimg.org/m2ahbu39b/IMGP2394.jpg
[20:08] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the server has 10GB atm, its not slouch
[20:08] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *no
[20:08] <wxl> if you run a web server, you can gobble up all kinds of ram
[20:10] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I'm just trying to get lubuntu on there, I understand halfway how to use it
[20:11] <wxl> yes, and i'm telling you you MOST likely are having some sort of hardware issue
[20:11] <wxl> it could potentially be a driver issue, but i doubt it. usually servers don't use fancy drivers
[20:11] <wxl> you can try adding nmi_watchdog=0 as a kernel option
[20:14] <wxl> this discussion provides a lot of interesting ideas, and the OP solved their problem by replacing the power supply https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205211
[20:15] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the redundant power supplies have no problem
[20:16] <wxl> how do you know?
[20:17] <wxl> that discussion also offers options on how to be sure
[20:18] <wxl> there's also one other concern
[20:19] <wxl> did you check the hashes of the iso and check the media upon boot?
[20:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> should I swap the redundant power supplies with my spare server?
[20:23] <wxl> it's start with the hashes/media check first
[20:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> okay
[20:23] <wxl> then i would suggest a swap if you KNOW that other server boots fine
[20:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well, both redundants have green lights on
[20:24] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well I just swapped over from the 3.4Ghz Xeon ML350 G4P to the 3.6Ghz Xeon ML350 G4P
[20:24] <Shawn|i7-720QM> both netburst servers
[20:24] <wxl> checking what `sensors` reports would be helpful
[20:25] <wxl> it MAY be a kernel issue. i think that's unlikely, but it could be misreporting the voltages
[20:25] <Shawn|i7-720QM> where do I check that?
[20:25] <wxl> read that link i sent you
[20:26] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the 3.6GHz machine is faster than the 3.4Ghz machine at Memtestx86, flew through it without errors, I was was working out ram issues with a temporary fix
[20:27] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I will check integrity now
[21:07] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I guess lubuntu may have a problem this server can't get through
[22:22] <wxl> oh jesus lennart
[22:22] <wxl> oops wrong channel O_O
[22:22] <wxl> but
[22:22] <wxl> https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/727490/d161e315ff0775c1/