[12:00] <concept10> superkitty, did you try to detect lan printers?
[12:00] <superkitty> concept i dont know the host, or i do and am not sure what they mean
[12:00] <ompaul> Seveas, the first set of questions I saw when I came in here during array 3/4 were more linux rpm users getting  to grips with .deb, now it is more like this is how linux works .
[12:00] <superkitty> how do i detect lan printers?
[12:00] <CarlK_> im trying to connect to an open wifi at Burger king - but my ubuntu box won;t get an IP...
[12:01] <CarlK_> nor does it see any signal
[12:01] <concept10> superkitty,   Click on Global Settings
[12:01] <CarlK_> the win box I am on shows 4 out of 5 bars
[12:01] <LokeDK> yeah k3b did it :)
[12:02] <CarlK_> I think the Ubuntu box may have a WEP key that won't go away
[12:02] <superkitty> concept ok stupid question for you, where is Global Settings?
[12:02] <CarlK_> anyone know the commands to show what SSID's are detected?
[12:02] <nlghtcrawler-lin> hey guys
[12:02] <nlghtcrawler-lin> im having a problem
[12:02] <concept10> superkitty, System > Administration > Printing
[12:02] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin, and it is?
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> im trying to install this package, i type: dkpg -i limewire.deb
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> it says
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> bash: dkpg: command not found
[12:03] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, and tis is an Ubuntu box..?
[12:03] <concept10> dpkg
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> yup
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> oo
[12:03] <concept10> you spelled it wrong
[12:03] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin,  dpkg might be more useful
[12:03] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, that is very odd...
[12:03] <Seveas> ah narf...
[12:03] <Seveas> :)
[12:03] <Seveas> i didn't even notice it :)
[12:04] <Seveas> it's called dpkg and not dkpg (notice the very subtle difference)
[12:04] <superkitty> concept it didnt seem to detect
[12:04] <Seveas> and using sudo is also neccessary here
[12:04] <nlghtcrawler-lin> ...
[12:04] <Octane> what do you need besides latest jre to run azureus?
[12:04] <nlghtcrawler-lin> when i use sudu
[12:04] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i limewire.deb
[12:04] <Seveas> Octane, azureus perhaps? ;)
[12:04] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin, then you give it your password and off it goes
[12:04] <Octane> :)))))
[12:05] <Octane> there is something im missing i believe
[12:05] <drasko> I can not see /dev/scsi in my system, although I see my usb flash is readed by dmsg... What's wrong, how to mount flash?
[12:05] <concept10> superkitty, where is the printer?
[12:05] <Seveas> Do you get an error? if so, which error?
[12:05] <Seveas> drasko, ther is no /dev/scsi
[12:05] <superkitty> connected to my server right next to me
[12:05] <Seveas> there's /proc/scsi and /dev/sd*
[12:06] <Mez> is there a qweik and easy waty to convert a disk from fat to ext ?
[12:06] <concept10> superkitty, try and use the add printer dialog
[12:06] <drasko> Seveas, no sda,b or anything under /dev
[12:06] <Seveas> Mez, mkfs.ext3
[12:06] <Seveas> you'll lose all data though
[12:06] <superkitty> still asking me for the host
[12:06] <Mez> dont want to lose my data :D
[12:06] <Seveas> drasko, then your flash drive isn't recognized...
[12:06] <bl4cktone> drigloi got him to stop running left
[12:06] <Mez> if i wanted to lose it -= I'd no be asking to convert
[12:06] <Seveas> is usb_storage loaded?
[12:07] <zho40> anyone know how to get the ll comand in ubuntu?
[12:07] <Seveas> Mez, in that case: there's no way
[12:07] <Seveas> zho40, try ls -l
[12:07] <ompaul> Octane, 'sudo apt-get install azureus' should sort out all the problems there
[12:07] <concept10> superkitty, what is the ip of the server? try that
[12:07] <zho40> yeah, i know that just wanting to save the keystrokes
[12:07] <Seveas> if you had an ll command somewhere, there was an alias over there that aliased ll to ls -l
[12:08] <Seveas> zho40, in your ~/.bashrc you write: alias ll='ls -l'
[12:08] <drasko> Seveas, yes, it is... I can see that issuing the dmesg command... It is regognised correctly.
[12:08] <zho40> ah, thanks
[12:08] <Mez> ah i guess i can copy yhthe data to a spare fat32 partitions
[12:08] <Mez> and then back
[12:08] <bl4cktone> anyonw know how I can up the resolution in tuxracer?
[12:08] <Seveas> indeed
[12:08] <nlghtcrawler-lin> anyone here install limewire on ubuntu?
[12:08] <Mez> or even just delete it and reget the repository
[12:08] <LokeDK> Just wondering.. the k3b from apt-get uses cdrdao.. but it doesn't use full speed? the average speed when i just burned was 19x.. and my burner can burn with 52x.. and the cd's.. 48x
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> this is what i've done
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i've gotten the .rpm off the net, converted it to .deb
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> its in /home/user/ folder
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> so i go to that under root
[12:09] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, what's the error you get?
[12:09] <superkitty> concept no go
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i dont see it in the menu
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> after i insatll it
[12:09] <bl4cktone> nlghtcrawler-lin http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> using dpkg
[12:09] <drasko> Seveas, dmesg also says: sda: assuming drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0  Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
[12:09] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, then use smeg to add it
[12:09] <Seveas> drasko, odd..
[12:10] <Seveas> drasko, have you tried manually creating the device nodes?
[12:10] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, never expect converted rpms to add menu entries
[12:10] <Mez> only 4198 files to go
[12:10] <Seveas> :o)
[12:10] <Tonglebeak> i'm having troubles, and have little experience with linux in general...
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> first of all, the only screen resolution i can select is 640x480
[12:11] <concept10> superkitty, what type of server is it?
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> and a refresh rate of 60hz
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> second ofa ll, my network card is being detected
[12:11] <superkitty> clarkconnect?
[12:11] <concept10> huh?
[12:11] <drasko> Seveas, no... How to do this?
[12:11] <Seveas> Tonglebeak: GNULinuxer: To find out ho you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:11] <Seveas> hmm
[12:11] <Seveas> something's wrong with that faq entry..
[12:11] <christopher_> Hello Ya'll!
[12:11] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i just insatlled smg, and updated the menu's
[12:12] <nlghtcrawler-lin> its not there
[12:12] <LinuxJones> Tonglebeak, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:12] <bl4cktone> where in the world does tuxracer install it's dir?
[12:12] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, you'll have to add it yourself...
[12:12] <Seveas> bl4cktone, dpkg -L tuxracer
[12:12] <christopher_> I just loaded ubuntu for the first time and need to learn how to use some of the features!
[12:13] <Tonglebeak> Seveas,LinuxJones: what about detecting my network card? it's Blitzz 802.11 wlan
[12:13] <christopher_> I am a totally newb to Linux
[12:13] <bl4cktone> seveas I see!!!
[12:13] <christopher_> hello ubuntu, and tyler
[12:13] <tyler__> nas
[12:13] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, sounds like you need ndiswrapper on that one. Do you know which chipset it uses (the lspci command can tell you that)
[12:13] <tyler__> hello
[12:13] <tyler__> can you help me?
[12:13] <Ubuntu> hi christopher
[12:13] <tyler__> cristopher
[12:14] <Seveas> tyler__, just state the problem :)
[12:14] <tyler__> ok
[12:14] <christopher_> I cant help anyone, I have had linux for about 5 minutes
[12:14] <tyler__> i have a scrip
[12:14] <nilsl> What Direct Connect-version works with Ubuntu?
[12:14] <christopher_> I came here for some answers actually
[12:14] <Tonglebeak> i'd need to log back on linux to find out. i run that from the terminal, right?
[12:14] <Seveas> christopher_, welcome aboard the Ubuntu ship then
[12:14] <tyler__> but it had a problem
[12:14] <bl4cktone> christopher I know the feeling
[12:14] <Seveas> nilsl, try dcgui-qt (That's valknut)
[12:14] <christopher_> Thanks for the howdy
[12:14] <ompaul> Seveas, I also point to the word newbie and nubie and things like that to back up my claim :-)
[12:14] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, yes
[12:14] <nilsl> Seveas: Right, thx.
[12:14] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng:
[12:15] <tyler__> ./wlanng.sh: line 17: wlanctl-ng: command not found
[12:15] <LinuxJones> Tonglebeak, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:15] <Ubuntu> christopher can i under ubuntu remote my xp pc?
[12:15] <tyler__> ??
[12:15] <Seveas> Ubuntu, of course
[12:15] <christopher_> I believe so
[12:15] <Seveas> menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[12:15] <Ubuntu> how it works seveas
[12:15] <Seveas> tyler__, what are you trying to do..?
[12:16] <Seveas> Ubuntu, just go to the application I pointed out, it's quite self-explanatory
[12:16] <maggots> r
[12:16] <Seveas> menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client <-- that application
[12:16] <tyler__> y try to put
[12:16] <tyler__> my tarjet wifi
[12:16] <christopher_> Howdy Maggots
[12:16] <tyler__> on channel 1
[12:16] <tyler__> with the script wlanng.sh
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone figured out how to use bit torrent?
[12:17] <tyler__> i put this
[12:17] <Seveas> tyler__, and you are sure wlanctl-ng works with that?
[12:17] <christopher_> How do I gain an account on GAIM?
[12:17] <tyler__> ./wlanng.sh start ra0 1
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> christopher_ gaim has options to let you register a new account.
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> christopher_ try the "accounts"
[12:17] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng what is??
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't understand using bittorrent.  how can i share files i have?
[12:17] <Seveas> tyler__, search google/the forums for an answer, I've seen an answer to this on the forums...
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> christopher_> you want to learn?
[12:18] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, that's a bit off-topic here, try #bittorent or #azureus
[12:18] <christopher_> I want to learn all I can!
[12:18] <tyler__> ok
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> christopher_> i mean gaim/
[12:18] <Seveas> christopher_, go to www.tldp.org and pick things you like :)
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> lol
[12:18] <christopher_> okies
[12:19] <Seveas> christopher_, the ubuntu wiki is also a good source for information
[12:19] <bl4cktone> christopher check out ubuntuguide.org helps you with how to intall some programs
[12:19] <Seveas> bl4cktone, bad idea
[12:19] <Seveas> ubuntuguide explains nothing
[12:19] <Seveas> (plus: the instructions on it are wrong)
[12:19] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> have you noticed how many newbies are hitting the channel everyday?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> Seveas, that's not true
[12:19] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, yes
[12:19] <bl4cktone> seveas that's the major source of my knowlege at the moment
[12:19] <Seveas> LinuxJones, it is..
[12:19] <alex__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821
[12:19] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> the growth of Ubuntu has been amazing
[12:20] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, indeed :)
[12:20] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> which distro do you come from?
[12:20] <concept10> Seveas, you should have the bot open a browser window when people log in
[12:20] <Seveas> Combined Windows XP (home desktop) Debian/Gentoo (server) and solaris/red hat (work)
[12:20] <ompaul> GNULinuxer, well when you get the likes of the guys behind kanotix and knoppix in here helping users you know something is shaping up
[12:21] <alex__> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821 ?
[12:21] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I really sit and watch first-timers flock to the channel ...
[12:21] <Seveas> :)
[12:21] <christopher_> I am going to check this out for a few mins I'll be back guys!  Thanks for info!
[12:21] <Seveas> my main reason to be here is help newbies get a smooth intro in Ubuntu and Linux in general
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> could we imagine people adopting Debian from windows?
[12:22] <Seveas> No.
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> you are behind kanotix?
[12:22] <Seveas> Maybe now, with sarge finally released
[12:22] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, no, I've never even used it :)
[12:22] <alex__> i cant connect ubuntu to the internet, full explanation at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821
[12:22] <tyler__> seveas
[12:22] <tyler__> in my system
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> well, ubuntu is debian IMO
[12:22] <bethor> hi, I am trying to prepare a box for installation. I haven't coped with hareware for a long time. Could it be that I can't run Serial ATA and ordinary IDE/ATA hds in parallel? sorry for this dumb question :-)?
[12:23] <zyth> alex__, have you tried sudo modprobe airport
[12:23] <tyler__> the command wlanctl
[12:23] <michael__> hi
[12:23] <tyler__> is not found
[12:23] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, in many ways it is, but I find it an improvement of debian
[12:23] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> surely ...
[12:23] <Seveas> I'm just curious how things are going to work out with sarge released
[12:23] <alex__> zyth: yes, no feedback from typing that
[12:23] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> you come from Debian?
[12:24] <michael__> I'm new to linux, can nebody tell me how to set up my wireless
[12:24] <Seveas> bethor, you can
[12:24] <LinuxJones> michael__, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:24] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, my server (which now hosts *.ubuntulinux.nl) has been using debian for quite a while
[12:24] <Seveas> tyler__, please search better on the forums, there are also install instructions for wlanctl-ng
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> great ...
[12:25] <ompaul> michael__, have you done this "system - administration - networking" it may help if not then the url :)
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> the best way we can attract more users is by being helpful and understanding in this Channel
[12:25] <bethor> Seveas, thanks.
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> BTW, why do you think ubuntuguide is bad?
[12:25] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, my thoughts exactly :)
[12:25] <michael__> yea
[12:26] <michael__> but i dunt know how to install my drivers
[12:26] <Ubuntu> Seveas:  terminal server says connection refused must i disable firewall or what can i do
[12:26] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, suboptimal solutions, misinformation, no explanation, confusing to newbies, still contains marillat unstable and backports by default and so on....
[12:26] <Seveas> the wiki explains all these things but better
[12:26] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> OTOH #debian used to be very hard on newbies
[12:26] <bl4cktone> I'm about to make a noob comment but I wanna make linux pretty! having trouble installing it with synaptic
[12:26] <bl4cktone> Enlightment that is
[12:26] <Seveas> Ubuntu, make sure you choose the right protocol (RDP or RDPv5 for windows remoote desktop)
[12:26] <lukus001> hey does anyone know why real player wont install via chroot /synaptic 32 bit?
[12:27] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, i know
[12:27] <Seveas> we don't want that spirit in here
[12:27] <ompaul> michael__, you were handed  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto in there are references to what you need to do with some stuff
[12:27] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> if we don't have the backports, how will they get packages ?
[12:27] <concept10> GNULinuxer, still is :)
[12:27] <GNULinuxer> concept10> lol
[12:27] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, backports is (now) good up to standards
[12:27] <Seveas> but marillat should not be used due to dependency problems
[12:27] <michael__> k, ty
[12:28] <Seveas> and recommending backports by default is also a no-no to me
[12:28] <GNULinuxer> concept10> they have a default ans. for noobs --> RTFM & STFW
[12:28] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I see
[12:28] <lukus001> can anyone help me with chroot /synaptic 32
[12:29] <Bushuto> Can anyone help me with my CD driver..
[12:29] <concept10> GNULinuxer, I shut a guy up in there the other day, I told him if he has nothing to offer except JFGI dont bother typing.  He stopped talking
[12:29] <tyler__> seveas i just intall the wlantlc-ng
[12:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get helix player to play theora files. :(
[12:29] <tyler__> but now
[12:29] <Seveas> concept10, lol :)
[12:29] <tyler__> the error is this
[12:29] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported
[12:29] <tyler__> when i run the script
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I am using GNU/Linux since 1997 ... but I have never seen such a vibrant and helpful community with an excellent distro ... kudos to guys like you
[12:30] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, why would you used a closed-source player to play a wonderful open-source codec??
[12:30] <superkitty> concept still having issues with the printing
[12:30] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, thanks :)
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> concept10> haha. BTW, what is JFGI?
[12:30] <Bushuto> Why is it when I try to install an operating system it just crashes halfway through setting up??
[12:30] <concept10> Seveas, I just installed sarge on a old box to learn to istall a LAMP stack
[12:30] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, to my opinion GNU/Linux has not been beginner-friendly until last year
[12:30] <LinuxJones> Bushuto, a hardware problem maybe
[12:30] <Seveas> when Ubuntu finally got stable
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> Bushuto> is it about any distro?
[12:31] <ompaul> concept10, you should have told him to - jfgi for netiquette   :-)
[12:31] <Bushuto> huh
[12:31] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, JFGI=www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[12:31] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> yeah ... the SuSE guys tried ... but they made the distro inflexible
[12:31] <squinn> One of my friends on the internet made a cooler site, Seveas.
[12:31] <squinn> http://showmethegoogle.com
[12:31] <concept10> superkitty, sorry - cant help :(  I need more info about your configuration
[12:32] <Seveas> concept10, installing a lamp stack is dead-easy in Ubuntu
[12:32] <Seveas> You can do that in 5 minutes...
[12:32] <superkitty> tell me how to get the info and i will happily send it along
[12:32] <concept10> Seveas, I just moved to Ubuntu after a year with Fedora. Better communtiy
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas what player would you suggest?  i'm all ears.
[12:33] <alex__> anyone else have any ideas on how to solve http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821 ?
[12:33] <Bushuto> when I'm installing an operating system, it loads everything into the ram and runs off of that or just off of the disk. or both..
[12:33] <aty> anyone know why i would get an error messege when running the music player bundled with ubuntu, it says there is no plugin to handle an mp3 file
[12:34] <concept10> superkitty, how is the printer connected?  to what computer?
[12:34] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, any player on Ubuntu should play theora. Try totem
[12:34] <GNULinuxer> squinn> IRC is not BBCode enabled
[12:34] <Seveas> alex__: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[12:34] <mtbeedee> alex__ I dont know, I have ubuntu on my 600 mhz g3 ibbok and it works fine
[12:34] <cpayan> aty you need the plugin codecs
[12:34] <GNULinuxer> BROKEN_LADDER> MPlayer
[12:34] <cpayan> there's a bunch of material around on the wiki and forums about which packages you need
[12:34] <Seveas> aty: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <aty> aite il try that
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't install mplayer.
[12:34] <aty> thanks alot
[12:34] <Seveas> aty, read that, it explains all about 'why don't i have mp3'
[12:34] <concept10> Seveas, could the bot open a browser window?
[12:35] <cs_Digi> hey, pretty quick question here, im sure some of u gurus can help :P
[12:35] <GNULinuxer> BROKEN_LADDER> what is the issue?
[12:35] <superkitty> it is connect to the printer port of the server. i am hooked to the server through a switch
[12:35] <Seveas> concept10, the bot can only put text in a channel...
[12:35] <Seveas> how would it ever be able to open a browser window?
[12:35] <cpayan> Seveas the patents are only effective in which countries though?
[12:35] <cs_Digi> my wirelss card is dodgy as hell in linux with the range im at. and i have no net connection
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> GNULinuxer  mplayer-586: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:35] <cpayan> i remember reading somewhere it was a limited amount
[12:35] <nilsl> I just installed xmms from synaptic. Uh... Where do I find it now? :-)
[12:35] <Seveas> cpayan, Ubuntu is a global distro :)
[12:35] <mcquaid> i'm trying to grab a src pkg from breezy sources, but i get this:
[12:35] <cs_Digi> i need to download the universe and multiverse repositories but i dont have have a connection
[12:35] <cpayan> no, i mean mp3 encoding
[12:36] <mcquaid> Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:36] <Seveas> nilsl, try beep-media-player too, it's a pretty gtk2 port of xmms. You find it in applications -> sound and video
[12:36] <alex__> bye everyone
[12:36] <Seveas> (xmms and beep that is)
[12:36] <Equalizer> why do i keep getting this error W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:36] <concept10> Seveas, I think it would be great idea if the bot could open a browser window. But that would be a security concern.  For example some one asks about mp3 and it opens the restricted formats page
[12:36] <nilsl> Seveas: Okay.
[12:36] <Seveas> mcquaid, apt-get update
[12:36] <mcquaid> i have this as one of my sources: deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[12:36] <concept10> superkitty, is the printer shared on the computer that its hooked to?
[12:36] <Seveas> concept10, of course that would be nice, but it's infeasible
[12:37] <Seveas> mcquaid, do NOT use breezy yet...
[12:37] <superkitty> yes i can access it from all computers hooked to the box
[12:37] <gaston_> Hi everyone!
[12:38] <mcquaid> can't believe i forgot to update doh!
[12:38] <superkitty> even this one when i ran Centos
[12:38] <thr1ce> hi
[12:38] <jono> hi all
[12:38] <gaston_> Can anyone help me with a little problem with xmms?
[12:38] <jono> how can I use rsync to sync two folders on the same machine?
[12:38] <mcquaid> Seveas, ya i'm not going to use breezy yet, i wanted to grab from source to see if i could do my own backport with the script jdong made
[12:38] <Seveas> jono, man rsync :)
[12:38] <Zodiac> sup dawgs
[12:38] <Seveas> mcquaid, ah ok :)
[12:38] <Octane> should i run wine or vmware?
[12:38] <thr1ce> wine if possible
[12:39] <thr1ce> is it a program or OS?
[12:39] <concept10> superkitty, okay what OS is the server?
[12:39] <Zodiac> guys, my DVD player plays slow
[12:39] <Seveas> Octane, wine runs single applications, vmware will only run a complete windows...
[12:39] <Zodiac> What should I do?
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, enable dma on it :)
[12:39] <superkitty> clarkconnect
[12:39] <Octane> Seveas, oh thats good to know
[12:39] <Zodiac> I did
[12:39] <Zodiac> What now?
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, and it worked..?
[12:39] <concept10> superkitty, what is clarkconnect?
[12:39] <Zodiac> No
[12:39] <Zodiac> It is still weird
[12:39] <superkitty> i can access the share file on the clark box
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, what was the error?
[12:39] <gaston_> neither xmms nor totem works
[12:39] <Seveas> or did it actually enable dma?
[12:39] <Zodiac> No error, it just plays weird
[12:39] <superkitty> linux
[12:39] <Zodiac> like skips
[12:40] <mcquaid> hmm, the jdong's script still grabbed from hoary even though i only have breezy sources now
[12:40] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm /dev/hdc (or whatever your dvd drive is) and paste the output on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:40] <Zodiac> not sure what the problem is
[12:40] <Zodiac> ok hold on a sec
[12:40] <Seveas> gaston_, what's the problem..?
[12:41] <jono> can I sync two directories with rsync both ways? it seems I can only sync one dir to the changes in the other instead of applying the changes in both to both directories
[12:41] <Zodiac> wait, where do I paste it?
[12:41] <Seveas> jono, rsync has indeed been designed to only support one-way syncing
[12:41] <concept10> superkitty, im not sure about that.  im looking at the clark connect site, that looks neat.  I never heard of that before
[12:41] <bl4cktone> hey guys I googled and found http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17 for installing E17 Enlightment did everything but when I get to the part with synaptic tells me the following package has unresolvable dependencies. I'm still a 2nd day linux user so still trying to keep up with the lingo
[12:41] <Seveas> zodiac http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:41] <jono> Seveas, is there anything to do two way syncing?
[12:42] <Seveas> jono, i bet there is, but I never had to use it so I don't know of any, sorry
[12:42] <Seveas> jono, try asking later or on the mailing list
[12:42] <Zodiac> ok I did it
[12:42] <superkitty> i find it strange that centos finds it fine
[12:42] <jono> Seveas, ok thanks
[12:42] <Seveas> Zodiac, it does not use DMA
[12:42] <Zodiac> What doesnt?
[12:42] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:42] <Seveas> your dvd drive...
[12:42] <lukus001> can somone help me with this chroot crap pleaty please with surga coating on top?
[12:42] <gaston_> Seveas, I downloaded xmms apt-geting and I doesnt work properly!
[12:43] <concept10> superkitty, how did you find it in centos?
[12:43] <Seveas> gaston_, let me guess: it hangs when you want to play mp3?
[12:43] <gaston_> Seveas, YEAP
[12:43] <LinuxJones> jono, have you looked at unison ?
[12:43] <Zodiac> ok
[12:43] <hondje> Hello, happy ubuntuans...anyone down for a installer problem?
[12:43] <Seveas> gaston_, open the xmms preferences with <ctrl>P, go to plugins -> output plugins
[12:43] <Seveas> and set the output plugin to Esound
[12:43] <superkitty> concept centos detected it through the printing utility
[12:44] <Seveas> hondje, just shout it out :)
[12:44] <gaston_> Seveas, Ohhhhhh
[12:45] <hondje> Seveas: partitioning dies, /var/log/messages says that mkfs.ext3: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size
[12:45] <LinuxJones> jono, >> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[12:45] <hondje> er, didn't need that Seveas in front ;-)
[12:45] <Razor-X> wow...
[12:45] <Zodiac> So what da ya think Seavas?
[12:45] <Razor-X> I got Eterm working
[12:45] <Razor-X> and, it all dies
[12:45] <Razor-X> dies dies dies.....
[12:45] <cs_Digi> can the universe and multiverse repositories be downloaded via windows and installed of removable media, my netowrk connection in linux is still dodgy
[12:45] <hondje> 80 gig WD, the installer detects it as being like 112 TB
[12:45] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:45] <Seveas> hondje, ouch
[12:45] <Seveas> hondje, file a bug please :)
[12:45] <bl4cktone> razor-x no why does it tease you still
[12:45] <hondje> Seveas: Trying to get my brother all 'buntood out
[12:45] <Zodiac> I posted it
[12:45] <arnonym> i still can't get any input (mic, line-in) on my audigy with 2.6.12. any idea, anyone?
[12:45] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: I don't know
[12:46] <Razor-X> now it just segfaults when I start it
[12:46] <Seveas> hondje, this definitely is a bug in the installer
[12:46] <Razor-X> I even compiled the damned thing
[12:46] <gaston_> Seveas, It worked... I couldn't believe it was _SO_ easy
[12:46] <Mez> Amaranth - you around?
[12:46] <hondje> Seveas: awesome, I find bugs like the Orkin man
[12:46] <Seveas> gaston_, try beep-media-player too, it's a GTK2 (thus better looking) port of xmms
[12:46] <hondje> So, what are some alternative installation methods
[12:46] <Seveas> gaston_, it even needs the same fix to get it working ;)
[12:46] <hondje> can I do a netinst?
[12:46] <shaun_> I am wondering how to uninstall packages such as RealPlayer
[12:47] <Seveas> hondje, well, all installs involve this partitioner, so you will get bitten by this bug anyway
[12:47] <Seveas> shaun_, if you installed it as a .deb package: apt-get remove
[12:47] <gaston_> Seveas, but....
[12:47] <hondje> Seveas: oh wait, might not be a bug
[12:47] <gaston_> Seveas, thanks first... but  Does totem need any special lib?
[12:47] <Zodiac> Well I am at a loss
[12:47] <hondje> dmesg is barfing out ide problems left AND right
[12:47] <hondje> not too many to the back, though :)
[12:48] <Seveas> gaston_, it needs gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3 files
[12:48] <Seveas> hondje, eeew...... maybe a loose cable?
[12:48] <superkitty> concept i really like debian and debian based distros but cant run em if i cant print
[12:48] <shaun_> I installed it by downloading it from RealPlayer's website and doing chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin then RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[12:48] <concept10> Seveas, does ubuntu have a default cron to update every night?
[12:48] <hondje> Seveas: could be, hdparm is showing like 4 dma setttings picked, too....could be the greatest bug ever :)
[12:48] <Seveas> shaun_, that probably installed into /usr/local/something
[12:48] <Seveas> you can remove the dir it installed itself in
[12:48] <Seveas> concept10, no
[12:49] <shaun_> How do I remove the dir?
[12:49] <thr1ce> rm -rf <dir>
[12:49] <shaun_> ...and will that get rid of everything?
[12:49] <Seveas> concept10, the updtae manager will download updates every day, but not auto-install them
[12:49] <concept10> superkitty, why dont you go and get the information on your printer from the centos box?
[12:49] <Seveas> shaun_, maybe some symlinks are left, but not too big a deal
[12:49] <superkitty> tried that
[12:49] <gaston_> Seveas, Could I download it from debian repositories?
[12:49] <Seveas> hondje, hmm...
[12:49] <Zodiac> hmm maybe I should get a different player
[12:50] <Seveas> gaston_, yes, beep-media-player and gstreamer0.8-mad are both in the repositories
[12:50] <concept10> Seveas, I was wondering because I havent seen any updates in a week
[12:50] <Seveas> concept10, there were none :)
[12:50] <gaston_> Seveas, But.. not in Ubuntu's one?
[12:50] <Seveas> gaston_, yes, they are in the Ubuntu repositories
[12:50] <hondje> Seveas: can you boot from reiserfs?
[12:50] <Equalizer> why do i keep getting this error W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:50] <shaun_> Seveas: How do I install RealPlayer as a .deb package?
[12:51] <Seveas> hondje, never tried myself, but it's possible
[12:51] <Seveas> Equalizer, run an apt-get update...
[12:51] <hondje> okay, lets see if I can wrk around this, thanks :D
[12:51] <Seveas> hondje, let me know when/if you get it working :)
[12:51] <Seveas> i still think it's a loose cable or a kernel bug though :)
[12:51] <cs_Digi> seveas , you appear to be pro at linux, is there a site u can download the universe and multiverse repositories so they can be installed to linux, my linux machine has no net connection atm
[12:52] <Seveas> cs_Digi, the complete repositories are about 73 GB for hoary...
[12:52] <concept10> superkitty, look in the ubuntu wiki.. type 'printing' in the searchbox - there are alot of resources there
[12:53] <Victus> where can I find the needed repositories ?
[12:53] <hondje> Seveas: will do, or else have a great read for bugzilla
[12:53] <Zodiac> Hey, seveas, so there is no way to fix my DVD problem?
[12:53] <hondje> Seveas: checked cables, sadly :)
[12:53] <cs_Digi> Seveas im assumin there is a way i can select the ones i need and download them seperatly though :P
[12:54] <superkitty> bye all, Concept thanks for the help
[12:54] <Seveas> cs_Digi, go to packages.ubuntu.com then :)
[12:54] <gaston_> Seveas, uhhhh.... I couldn't find it... which repository should I use?
[12:54] <Seveas> Zodiac, as i said enable dma...
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston_, universe
[12:54] <Seveas> and maybe multiverse for gstreaner0.8-mad
[12:54] <Zodiac> How do I do that?
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:55] <Seveas> Zodiac, as i said: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:55] <shaun_> Is there a way to play avi and mpg videos with RhythmBox?
[12:55] <Seveas> if that gives an error, give us the error :)
[12:55] <Zodiac> I see
[12:55] <cs_Digi> seveas , thanks ur a genius.. no internet in linux is a nightmare :P
[12:55] <u19809> where can I find swsusp for hoary ?
[12:55] <Seveas> cs_Digi, yes, and especially if the package manager kinda counts on it :)
[12:56] <cs_Digi> seveas, lol ur dam rite
[12:56] <Equalizer> are there any p2p programs like sharezilla(i think thats the name) for linux
[12:56] <Seveas> u19809, swsusp is part of the kernel...
[12:56] <Zodiac> I swear I have done that like 10 times
[12:56] <Zodiac> I wonder if it isnt saving...?
[12:56] <Seveas> Zodiac, and it never gave an error?
[12:56] <Seveas> and you didn't reboot since doing that?
[12:56] <u19809> is the standard hoary kernel properly patched or should I recompile ?
[12:56] <Seveas> u19809, no idea actually :)
[12:57] <Seveas> try the mailinglist for an answer
[12:57] <Seveas> i *think* it is enabled...
[12:57] <thr1ce> it's patch, i'm pretty sure
[12:57] <shaun_> Where should I install packages?
[12:57] <Zodiac> no never
[12:57] <Seveas> shaun_, the package manager installs packages for you :)
[12:58] <Seveas> Zodiac, that is odd
[12:58] <Zodiac> ahhh
[12:58] <Seveas> try sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[12:58] <Seveas> does it say on or off?
[12:58] <kong0> what programme should i use for .tgz files?
[12:58] <Zodiac> it just gave an error....
[12:58] <Seveas> kong0, tzr zxvf filename.tgz
[12:58] <kong0> i need to install certain files
[12:58] <Seveas> tar zxvf
[12:58] <shaun_> How do I install RealPlayer using package manager?
[12:58] <kong0> in terminal?
[12:58] <Seveas> kong0, what are you trying to install?
[12:58] <kong0> cedega
[12:58] <Zodiac> so what do I do now??
[12:58] <Seveas> shaun_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:58] <Seveas> Zodiac, what is the error?
[12:59] <Zodiac> hold on, lemme recreate it
[12:59] <kong0> Seveas: Cedega
[12:59] <Seveas> kong0, search the forum, several people have written cedega howtos there...
[01:01] <hondje> Seveas: it's hardware
[01:01] <hondje> no bugs today
[01:01] <Zodiac> hmm
[01:01] <Zodiac> weird
[01:01] <Zodiac> now it plays
[01:01] <Seveas> hondje, what/is was the problem then?
[01:01] <Zodiac> what the heck is going on
[01:01] <hondje> Seveas: looks to be ide controller
[01:01] <Seveas> ah :|
[01:02] <hondje> I grabbed what dmesg was saying, showed it to the magical embedded wizard....
[01:02] <EvanCarroll> I'm having lots of not fun problems today too with my ide controller or hard drive
[01:02] <gaston_> Seveas, THANKS VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!!     DOH!
[01:06] <kungkang> selinium: :) took me a whole day to find that
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> maybe the drive or controller crapped out, or maybe breezy had a bad update
[01:07] <gaston_> gstreamer needs libid3tag... which is unavailable.... what should I do?
[01:07] <thr1ce> update your repositories
[01:07] <keikoz> maybee the bios et that point
[01:07] <thr1ce> it'll be available :)
[01:07] <Ubuntu> hi
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> yea know im getting the errors, 'ID "2" Respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> and 'cannot execute "/sbin/getty"'
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> oh fun
[01:07] <Ubuntu> im dutch where is the dutch channel
[01:07] <selinium> Any idea why almost all of the packages are now Not installed (New in repository) ? Or is it just me?
[01:08] <gaston_> Does anyone know what to  I do?
[01:08] <dooglus> gaston_: you're using breezy?
[01:08] <Equalizer> can i apt-get php5?
[01:08] <SurveR> mm, my english is ver bad. I've a problem when init gdm, play sound init 3 o 4 times anda my pc is blocked. some people know about this problem?
[01:08] <gaston_> dooglus, I don't know what it is?
[01:09] <EvanCarroll> Equalizer: apt-cache search php5
[01:09] <thr1ce> Equalizer, dunno, apt-cache search php
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> it's not there
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> you can only apt-get php4
[01:09] <EvanCarroll> enable the universe
[01:09] <thenuke> gaston_: Seveas already pointed you this, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:09] <selinium> SurveR: what is your native language?
[01:10] <SurveR> spanish
[01:10] <dooglus> gaston_: what is the name of the package you're trying to install?
[01:10] <Equalizer> HrdwrBoB, do you know how to get and install php5
[01:10] <selinium> SurveR : You can try /j #ubuntu-es for spanish users
[01:10] <gaston_> SurveR,  welcome to our klan... Nosotros tambien
[01:10] <SurveR> thx selinium
[01:11] <selinium> SurveR: np :)
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Equalizer: you have to get source etc
[01:11] <azumanga> I don't seem able to install nvidia-glx in the latest breezy.. is there a fix / different way of doing the nvidia binary driver?
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Equalizer: but if you just want php, I am almost certain that php4 will be sufficient
[01:11] <gaston_> dooglus, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:12] <dooglus> gaston_: I just installed it fine on 'hoary hedgehog'
[01:12] <selinium> Equalizer: HrdwrBoB is right, for most people php4 is fine
[01:13] <nilsl> Is hoary better than warty?
[01:13] <dooglus> nilsl: it's newer...
[01:13] <nilsl> Or uh... Which is the newest?
[01:13] <absinthe_os> nilsl, in short yes
[01:13] <LanShark> hello, im using the live disc instead of installing to find out if i can get my sound working, it appears to be a no go, card = audigy SB, any suggestions?
[01:13] <nilsl> Right.
[01:13] <nilsl> Thx.
[01:13] <dooglus> nilsl: warty < hoary < breezy
[01:13] <gaston_> dooglus, The package what i need is libid3tag0 wich is needed for gstreamer
[01:13] <dooglus> breezy is still in development and isn't recommended
[01:13] <nilsl> dooglus: Okay.
[01:14] <absinthe_os> Is everyone using Breezy now? Am I behind the times again =)
[01:14] <dooglus> gaston_: I did a "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad" and it installed libid3tag for me:
[01:14] <quam> im a noob and don't like taking risks, so i still use hoary :P
[01:14] <dooglus> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libid3tag0 0.15.1b-3 [34.2kB]
[01:14] <dooglus> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe gstreamer0.8-mad 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 [
[01:14] <dooglus> 50.4kB]
[01:14] <dooglus> Fetched 84.6kB in 0s (95.4kB/s)
[01:14] <azumanga> I just tried going to breezy, but now I can't get any output from my monitor as nvidia binary driver won't install :(
[01:14] <absinthe_os> quam, lol
[01:15] <djs> absinthe_os: Nope (as per the Topic)
[01:15] <dooglus> libid3tag0 is in hoary/main, so I don't think you need to add any more repositories to find it.
[01:15] <dooglus> maybe the mirror you're using is broken?
[01:15] <dooglus> azumanga: check the topic...
[01:15] <absinthe_os> azumanga, look on ubuntuforums in the hoary customization forum for a how-to install latest nvidia drivers
[01:15] <CarlFK> why does my wifi connection keep dropping even though I have 90% signal strenght?
[01:15] <azumanga> Woops, I'm only seeing half the title, should have looked there. Sorry :)
[01:16] <djs> !nvidia
[01:16] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> because your wireless hardware/drivers suck
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> or your AP
[01:16] <dooglus> "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET"
[01:16] <absinthe_os> or wifi sucks on linux in general
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> absinthe_os: not really
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> absinthe_os: it depends almost entirely on your card
[01:16] <bl4cktone> can I use apt-get to attain kismet?
[01:16] <quam> my wifi seems to be working ok, but only when i boot with the usb wireless device plugged in. if i try to hotplug it after i've already booted, it doesnt work for shit :p
[01:16] <Danar> can anyone help me with missing partitions?
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> though wireless in linux isn't generally that easy to use
[01:16] <absinthe_os> i know I kid I kid +X
[01:16] <Danar> i have 3 partitions that gparted can see, but don't show up in /dev
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> bl4cktone: yes
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> quam: it doesn't work or it's not configured
[01:17] <LanShark> anyone get audigy sound blaster card to work on ubuntu?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> quam: if you just hotplug it, it won't brint up the interface
[01:17] <dooglus> bl4cktone: The following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:17] <dooglus>   ethereal-common kismet libgmp3
[01:17] <Ubuntu> hi i need help with terminal server client
[01:17] <dooglus> kismet is a known package, yes.
[01:17] <gaston_> dooglus, It says that it's unstable
[01:17] <Danar> i was trying to resize one, and they disappeared
[01:17] <dooglus> gaston_: what is unstable?
[01:17] <Danar> (from /dev)
[01:18] <quam> hrdwrbob: im accustomed to plug and play :P after messing with network settings for about 5 minutes, i gave up :P so now i just make sure it's in when i boot :p
[01:18] <CarlFK> I am starting to think it is because I didn't close the Networking props dialog
[01:18] <Tonglebeak> i tried the autodetect thing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto to fix the resolution, but it ended up corrupting gnome i believe, and it will not start up with a gui now. do i just run the autodetect again in recovery mode?
[01:18] <quam> hrdwrbob: you know, your name is hrdtotyp :P
[01:18] <phanter> hello, I am looking for an easy to configure backup script. I want to backup some folders from a disk to another disk (in the same computer).
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> quam: you know that every IRC client on the face of the planet that coutns has tab completion :)
[01:18] <gaston_> dooglus, The libid3tag
[01:18] <quam> HrdwrBoB, well now, i guess it does :p
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: what is yout problem?
[01:18] <phanter> Tonglebeak, that should not be a problem. It will not make things worse ;)
[01:19] <Tonglebeak> thnx
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> phanter: cp -a folders /backup/location :)
[01:19] <quam> HrdwrBoB, i just started irc'ing again after being gone for from irc and linux for about 5 years, just getting settled in again :p
[01:19] <gaston_> dooglus, SORRRY, it didn't say that is unstable... it says that is unavailable
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> quam: ahr, things have changed :)
[01:19] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: i will remote my xp pc from ubuntu but it will not work
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: apt-get install rdesktop
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> also are you sure that remote desktop is available?
[01:20] <danny> how do i remove ubuntu from my hard drive
[01:20] <Jesse1> i have a problem there is no sound in any of the games ive downloaded but sound works fine if i player a mp3 of video
[01:20] <phanter> (HrdwrBoB, i.e.) oke, but I would like a script that I can include in cron and that makes full and incremental backups and stuff... so a bit more powerfull then cp or even a normal tar
[01:20] <Jesse1> or video*
[01:20] <quam> HrdwrBoB, yeah, i have like 5 nice fat linux books from 96/97 and i've noticed that all the cool shit they tell you how to do is stuff that's done automatically now in ubuntu, and all the things i have questions about aren't even in them to the slightest degree :p
[01:20] <danny> how do i remove ubuntu from my hard drive
[01:20] <Danar> danny, why?
[01:20] <visor> hi folks
[01:20] <absinthe_os> quam, linux changes everyday =)
[01:21] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: how do i that? im new with unbuntu
[01:21] <ninwa> danny, Format your drive, I guess. :o)
[01:21] <danny> it is pissing me off. i want windows for some stuff
[01:21] <absinthe_os> danny, delete the partition?
[01:21] <Danar> danny, do you have a livecd?
[01:21] <danny> how would i do those..im a newb
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: firstly are you sure remote dekstop is available in windows
[01:21] <danny> no
[01:21] <absinthe_os> danny, why not dual-boot?
[01:21] <Danar> danny, for which?
[01:21] <ninwa> danny, Pop in the windows CD and repartition and format it
[01:21] <CarlFK> danny, you have to take it appart and scrape the iron off the platters ;)
[01:21] <ninwa> the installer is straightforward
[01:21] <danny> ok carl
[01:21] <danny> bastard
[01:21] <danny> ;p;
[01:21] <danny> lol jk*
[01:21] <jd_> hey guys i have a ?
[01:21] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: yes in windows is remote desktop
[01:21] <ninwa> jd_, shoot
[01:21] <CarlFK> tee hee
[01:22] <absinthe_os> jd_, shoot
[01:22] <absinthe_os> jinx
[01:22] <ninwa> lol absinthe_os
[01:22] <jd_> how do i upgrade ubuntu through the root\
[01:22] <ninwa> jd_, what do you mean?
[01:22] <danny> how would i delete the partition??
[01:22] <jd_> how do you get applications
[01:22] <danny> the ubuntu one?
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: in synaptic, search for rdesktop and install it
[01:22] <visor> do you guys know a software like gallery to manage images on a webserver but more "easy" to install, i dont have too much privileges on the server :S
[01:23] <Jesse1> danny, just put in the windows cd and follow the stuf fit says to do
[01:23] <ninwa> jd_, Use a package manager like synaptic.
[01:23] <absinthe_os> jd_, Err you mean how do you install programs?
[01:23] <kikkoman> how do i install xine using sudo apt-get?
[01:23] <ninwa> jd_, Or use apt-get manually
[01:23] <ninwa> to upgrade all of your packages, use apt-get upgrade
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> kikkoman: sudo apt-get install xine
[01:23] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: ok i try that
[01:23] <jd_> yes the apt-get
[01:23] <danny> doesnt work
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> ninwa: dist-upgrade is in almost all circumstances better
[01:23] <Jesse1> danny, it does work
[01:23] <Danar> kikkoman, it's xine-ui in ubuntu
[01:23] <jd_> give me an example how to do that
[01:23] <ninwa> HrdwrBoB, Ah, I wasn't even aware of it, I'm rather new myself, thank you!
[01:23] <absinthe_os> danny, what version of Windows is it?
[01:23] <ninwa> So as HrdwrBoB said, use dist-upgrade then :o)
[01:24] <danny> 98
[01:24] <kikkoman> i installed xine-ui but i don't see it =/
[01:24] <ninwa> kikkoman, Not all applications will create launchers in the menu for you
[01:24] <Danar> kikkoman, run xine
[01:24] <danny> its 98
[01:24] <Jesse1> danny, .... i'd stick with ubuntu
[01:24] <ninwa> kikkoman, so in short, use a terminal to launch it, or create a launcher on your panel
[01:24] <absinthe_os> lol Jesse1
[01:24] <danny> nah id rather not have to mess with crossover or wine
[01:24] <ninwa> by right clicking the panel, create launcher.. etc
[01:24] <danny> they are annoying as hell
[01:24] <Danar> danny, you know, you can run a lot of windows apps on linux with wine or cedega...
[01:24] <absinthe_os> danny, how so?
[01:25] <thenuke> danny: boot to dos with that windows CD
[01:25] <thenuke> and use fdisk to delete all partitions
[01:25] <kikkoman> ok thanks guys its working ;)
[01:25] <Jesse1> danny, download partition magic
[01:25] <ninwa> danny, Like I said earlier, pop in the Windows CD and use it to repartition and format your drive, it's a very straightforward installer.
[01:25] <thenuke> and then create new one for windows
[01:25] <danny> ok w/e then
[01:25] <absinthe_os> He was sort of testing my nerves
[01:25] <absinthe_os> =)
[01:25] <Jesse1> lol
[01:25] <ninwa> Well, everyone here seemed convinced that Linux was for him and demanded he dual-booted or reconsidered.
[01:26] <ninwa> The first reponse should not have been why.
[01:26] <ninwa> That's just my 2c...
[01:26] <absinthe_os> ninwa, welcome to the Ubuntu channel
[01:26] <djs> ninwa: agreed
[01:26] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: it is installed under synapsys
[01:26] <ninwa> abarbaccia, :)
[01:26] <ninwa> er
[01:26] <ninwa> absinthe_os, :)
[01:26] <Danar> nothing wrong with asking why. make sure that's what he wants to do
[01:26] <ninwa> silly tab-complete
[01:26] <absinthe_os> lol ninwa
[01:27] <Jesse1> how does tab complete work?
[01:27] <ninwa> you type in the first characters of their name and hit tab
[01:27] <absinthe_os> So, is everyone using Gnome these days? I've thought about branching out to some other desktops
[01:27] <ninwa> it will (usually) get the rest for you
[01:27] <Cynetix> Can anyone help with XP/Ubuntu dual-boot?
[01:27] <kikkoman> i have another problem...when im viewing movie trailers from apple.com/trailers/ i can't make it go full screen :(
[01:27] <goldfish> absinthe_os: xfce or flux for me.
[01:27] <kvidell> absinthe_os: I use openbox
[01:27] <Jesse1> i see
[01:27] <absinthe_os> cynetix, shoot
[01:27] <Danar> kikkoman, viewing them in xine?
[01:27] <kikkoman> using mplayer plug-in
[01:27] <absinthe_os> goldfish, What's Fluxbox like?
[01:28] <Jesse1> Cynetix, what is the problem your having
[01:28] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I have Ubuntu installed and it goes through, states it will reboot inot Ubuntu but it never happens
[01:28] <Danar> kikkoman, oh, well that's why
[01:28] <Cynetix> No bootloader, just back into XP
[01:28] <goldfish> absinthe_os: very fast, takes a little bit to get it looking nice, i could never go back to gnome after it.
[01:28] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, Sorry I'm not understanding
[01:28] <Danar> kikkoman, save it somewhere and play it in xine, then you could make it full-screen. though it might not look so great
[01:28] <jd_> ok guys i have the updates how do install them
[01:28] <Cynetix> Ok. I installed it, and it completed. Ejected CD, said it would reboot into Ubuntu. Instead, it booted into XP.
[01:28] <jd_> manuallhy
[01:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know of a way to fix my system if i broke it by running dist-upgrade?
[01:29] <absinthe_os> goldfish, Ok, I'll apt it and check it out =)
[01:29] <kikkoman> hmm cause when i don't make it full screen, part of the movie is cut off
[01:29] <absinthe_os> cynetix, maybe the GRUB installer didn't work?
[01:29] <ninwa> jd_, Explain further, I thought your question was answered earlier. To upgrade/install pckages I highly suggest using synaptic package manager.
[01:29] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I guess. I told it to install Grub to MBR but no boot options, nada
[01:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to downgrade in apt-get?
[01:30] <Jesse1> BROKEN_LADDER, i dont think so
[01:30] <EvanCarroll> BROKEN_LADDER: sort of.
[01:30] <goldfish> its messy
[01:30] <kong0> how do i use tgz files?
[01:30] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, Are you in Windows right now?
[01:30] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, in synaptic you can force version...
[01:30] <CarlFK> danny, probably what you really want to do is isntall something else over the top of it
[01:30] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, same pc?
[01:30] <thenuke> jd_: apt-get update updates  and apt-get upgrade upgraders
[01:30] <goldfish> kong0: what is it?
[01:30] <EvanCarroll> BROKEN_LADDER: if you don't run apt-get clean, you still have the old debs, and you can dpkg -i them
[01:30] <kong0> i need to install it
[01:30] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: However, let me preface that by saying it's installed on the second drive in my system on a SATA controller.
[01:30] <kong0> its cedega
[01:30] <Jesse1> kong0, you need to extract them then install
[01:30] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: The one I'm talking with you now on yes :)
[01:30] <absinthe_os> cynetix, yikes outta my league
[01:31] <thenuke> jd_: google also gives answers to simple questions like these
[01:31] <kong0> well i cant just click on it and install thats the problem
[01:31] <ninwa> kong0, decompress it using tar -xvzf and then read the installation directions
[01:31] <ninwa> read tar --help for what each option does
[01:31] <Danar> kong0, .tgz is a compressed/zipped file
[01:31] <absinthe_os> cynetix, All I can suggest is trying to re-do the installation of Ubuntu
[01:31] <Danar> you have to extract it first
[01:31] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Do you know an easy way to make a boot floppy from windows so I can see if it can be accessed that way?
[01:31] <kong0> i KNOW
[01:32] <ninwa> kong0, Then be more precise, what is the problem?
[01:32] <kong0> that god damn command doesnt even work
[01:32] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Heh, it's been reinstalled 12 times. I started out with Mandrake and finally gave up :)
[01:32] <ninwa> Doesn't work is vague, I don't read minds.
[01:32] <kong0> im going crazy here
[01:32] <absinthe_os> cynetix, eww sorry man =(
[01:32] <Jesse1> kong0, the command does work u not using it properly
[01:32] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: That
[01:32] <kong0> how should I use it then?
[01:32] <ninwa> im going crazy too, brb need some more caffiene
[01:33] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB:and now
[01:33] <ninwa> try adding the filename to the end of it, and make sure you're in the directory that the file is in
[01:33] <shaun_> How do I switch totem and rhythm box to use xine-lib rather than gstreamer?
[01:33] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: That's cool. I appreciate the attempt :) Hopefully someone on the Ubuntu board will be able to help...someday :)
[01:33] <Danar> kong0, properly. i hear man pages can be helpful.
[01:33] <absinthe_os> cynetix, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:34] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: yeah, I have the wiki guide for dual-boot as well. None really address my particular situation.
[01:34] <absinthe_os> cynetix, well you can use boot: rescue to gain root priviliges with the ubuntu cd, and reinstall GRUB manually
[01:34] <kong0> well THX alot for that...
[01:35] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Hmm. How do I do that or do you have a guide for it?
[01:35] <Danar> kong0, try right clicking it in nautilus, and uncompressing it from the context menu
[01:35] <kong0> nautilus?
[01:35] <Danar> the file manager
[01:35] <kong0> ...
[01:35] <absinthe_os> cynetix, well boot with ubuntu cd, when the "boot:" entry comes up type in "rescue"
[01:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar how can i force a version in synaptic?
[01:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar and which version should i use to be on the safe side?
[01:35] <absinthe_os> cynetix, then use command "grub-install /dev/hd#" where # is your hd name and partition
[01:36] <CarlK> something is funky... good signal strength, box and card work fine on my home AP, but here i sudenly loose my IP after a few min
[01:36] <Jesse1> kong0, to use the command u do tar -xvzf <file>
[01:36] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, which version of what? i didn't see what was said before that
[01:36] <ninwa> I'm back.
[01:36] <kong0> ive already tried that and it doesnt work
[01:36] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Ok. Do you know a way to get df info from CD? It only returns temp info.
[01:36] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, click the package, and press CTRL+E
[01:36] <kong0> damned it...
[01:36] <ninwa> I have "Right Here Right Now" by U2 stuck in my head.
[01:36] <ninwa> kong0, What's the response when you try it?
[01:36] <kong0> would be fun if ppl listnen to me
[01:36] <Jesse1> kong0, did u cd to the directory
[01:37] <kong0> ? cd?
[01:37] <absinthe_os> cynetix, sorry don't know about that
[01:37] <Jesse1> kong0, cd <path>
[01:37] <ninwa> kong0, Assuming you downloaded it to your desktop
[01:37] <ninwa> cd ~/Desktop
[01:37] <ninwa> then try unextracting it
[01:37] <Jesse1> kong0, then try tar -xvzf <file>
[01:37] <djs> Cynetix: Just wondering if the issue could it be a BIOS setting of some sort?
[01:37] <kong0> i already have extracted it manually outside the console
[01:37] <absinthe_os> cynetix, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[01:38] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, maybe that helps?
[01:38] <Jesse1> kong0, now there should be a file called readme now read that and follow the instructions
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, or click the package, then click the Package menu > Force Version....
[01:38] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Hmm. I wouldn't think it was the BIOS 1024 issue because my box is barely 6 months old and it's SATA instead of IDE but I could be mistaken.
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, doesn't work for every package though
[01:38] <ninwa> One wonders how you managed to install Linux without some basic understanding of directory structures and a little knowledge of shell commands...
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, depends what's available in the repository
[01:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> ninwa right here right now is not from U2 for the love of god.
[01:39] <kong0> no no readme
[01:39] <ninwa> BROKEN_LADDER, The mp3 I have is, I never claimed that they were the first to sing it. :o)
[01:39] <Ubuntu> can someone help me with rdesktop i will remote my xp pc from ubuntu but it will not works
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do you clean up the k menu in kubuntu?
[01:39] <ninwa> BROKEN_LADDER, Out of curiosity though, who did?
[01:39] <absinthe_os> Ubuntu, is english your first language?
[01:40] <thenuke> absinthe_os: why do you bother asking something like that when you know that it is not, and you can do /whois
[01:40] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I'll use this and maybe be able to work through. We'll see what happens :) Thanks for your time and suggestions. Later.
[01:40] <Mez> hmm
[01:40] <kong0> no readme at all
[01:40] <absinthe_os> cynetix, later and no prob
[01:40] <Mez> I jsut isntalled dbian onto my USB hdd
[01:40] <ninwa> kong0, is there an INSTALL file?
[01:40] <ninwa> those are usually text instructions
[01:40] <absinthe_os> thenuke, it's called being friendly
[01:40] <Mez> didnt isntall grub to the master HDD because otherwise it'd need my USB one installed
[01:40] <Ubuntu> absinthe_os: no dutch but when i go to #ubuntu-nl will not help mmmmmmmm
[01:40] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> he's from Africa
[01:40] <Mez> how do i make the ubuntu grub detect the debain install
[01:40] <Mez> or do i just edit the grub file manually
[01:40] <Jesse1> kong0, are you sure?
[01:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar i don't even see mplayer in the list in synaptic
[01:41] <kong0> how would the install file look like?
[01:41] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, might need to add universe or multiverse to your repository list
[01:41] <CarlK> in "Network settings" dialog,  what is command line version of "Activate"?
[01:42] <GNULinuxer> CarlK> ifup
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar no..that's all in my sources.list
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, Settings > Repositories > Add > check universe/multiverse. reload package info
[01:42] <CarlK> GNULinuxer, thanks
[01:42] <Jesse1> kong0, there is no simple click install file you need to run the commands
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, then search for mplayer
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, prolly mplayer-586
[01:42] <ninwa> Ubuntu, There is an application called Real VNC that you can download and install on both Windows and Linux and it will allow you to do remote PC controlling, perhaps you should give it a try.
[01:43] <kong0> ffs WHAT are the commands?how do i know that?
[01:43] <kong0> thara are NO readme
[01:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to seperate the menu items in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[01:43] <ninwa> kong0, try ./configure && make && make install
[01:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that when in kde only kde items show up?
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar i can't install it.
[01:43] <Ubuntu> ninwa: thnx i will try that
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar in synaptic, there is no mplayer anything in the list.
[01:43] <Danar> kong0, there are readmes: 'man tar', 'man unzip'
[01:43] <kong0> what is && stand for?
[01:44] <Jesse1> kong0, && is so after if finsihes one command it will go on to the next
[01:44] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, a search for 'mplayer' turns up 11 results for me
[01:44] <Xenguy> kong0: it means don't execute the 2nd command unless the 1st command completes cleanly
[01:44] <Danar> (searching in name)
[01:44] <ninwa> Ubuntu, You're Welcome
[01:45] <absinthe_os> afk
[01:45] <ninwa> Or rather, Bitte Schon :o)
[01:45] <shaun_> How do I make Totem movie player use xine-lib rather than gstreamer? Please help
[01:46] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, if you don't see it, then your sources.list is wrong. add it the way i said above
[01:46] <kong0> lol
[01:46] <kong0> im going windows
[01:46] <Razor-X> ah hah!
[01:46] <Razor-X> C'est la Eterm!
[01:47] <Razor-X> maybe I do need to down the brightness on this a shade....
[01:47] <Jesse1> Razor-X, what does that mean?
[01:47] <Razor-X> "This is Eterm"
[01:47] <Jesse1> ok
[01:48] <Jesse1> i have a problem there is no sound in any of the games ive downloaded but sound works fine if i player a mp3 of video
[01:48] <thenuke> C'est la vie
[01:48] <Razor-X> what kind of games?
[01:48] <goldfish_> That's life !!!!!!!!!
[01:48] <absinthe_os> jesse1, in console type "killall esd" before starting a game
[01:48] <thenuke> :-]
[01:48] <Razor-X> thenuke: C'est la grande vie?
[01:48] <goldfish_> Je suis un homo.
[01:48] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, ill try that
[01:48] <Razor-X> un homo, et, unhomosexual?
[01:49] <Razor-X> *un homosexual
[01:49] <Razor-X> ah ah, je comprende
[01:49] <goldfish_> wee wee.
[01:49] <^thehatsrule^> lol...
[01:50] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, well that worked :) what does esd stand for?
[01:50] <djs> !esd
[01:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[01:50] <Razor-X> and eterm isn't giving me troubles with C-b
[01:50] <Razor-X> Jesse1: Epiphany Sound Daemon
[01:50] <absinthe_os> jesse1, enlightened sound daemon
[01:50] <Danar> ElectroStatic Discharge :p
[01:50] <Razor-X> I thought it was Epiphany
[01:50] <Danar> (a shock)
[01:51] <Razor-X> ubotu: that's not the purpose of a sound server
[01:51] <ubotu> No idea, Razor-X
[01:51] <absinthe_os> Jesse1, Right now ubuntu uses ESD as it's sound server, and I guess it's kind of buggy
[01:51] <Razor-X> a sound server is the implementation of sound in a server-client environment
[01:51] <absinthe_os> jesse1, I've heard they're going to work on it for Breezy
[01:51] <ninwa> Man, I remember complaining about Linux only being able to play one thing at a time and I came up with this AWESOME idea of making a server that would handle the applications requests, and act as a software mixer, and when I told people in #linux they all laughed...
[01:51] <ninwa> Then I found out about esd...
[01:51] <ninwa> =/
[01:51] <Razor-X> special devices (alsa's dmix) allow the sound server to manage simeltaneous music streams
[01:51] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, ok but now atleast now i can get it to work
[01:51] <Razor-X> ninwa: ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> I don't think Arts supports that by default, unfortantely
[01:52] <absinthe_os> Jesse1, Glad I could help =)
[01:52] <Varanger> crimsun: hi
[01:52] <Jesse1> now i just have to figure out why it crashes when flying toaster screen saver comes on
[01:53] <nitrox> how do i apt-get install emacs
[01:53] <absinthe_os> jesse1, lol that I'm not sure about
[01:53] <Varanger> nitrox: sudo apt-get install emacs
[01:53] <ninwa> nitrox, Your answer is in your question!
[01:54] <Razor-X> nitrox: i'll get it for you
[01:54] <Razor-X> Varanger: nopes ;)
[01:54] <Razor-X> do you want it in a Console, or X?
[01:54] <Razor-X> (I prefer it in Console meself)
[01:54] <Varanger> Razor-X: why? :(
[01:54] <nitrox> it said emacs as no installation candidate
[01:54] <CarlK> wifi scanner - k?sm?t - what are the volues?
[01:54] <Razor-X> nitrox: do you want it in Console or x?
[01:55] <Razor-X> *X
[01:55] <nitrox> in X
[01:55] <Razor-X> Varanger: cuz I said so! ;)
[01:55] <Razor-X> nitrox: sudo apt-get install emacs-21
[01:55] <nitrox> couldn't find package is the message i get
[01:55] <ninwa> its emacs21
[01:55] <Jesse1> Razor-X, theres no 0
[01:55] <ninwa> not -21
[01:55] <Varanger> Razor-X: ohh, I see you are right now
[01:55] <Jesse1> Razor-X, theres no -*
[01:55] <Razor-X> errr, emacs21, there you are
[01:55] <absinthe_os> has anyone tried arch-linux>
[01:55] <absinthe_os> ?
[01:56] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: nopes
[01:56] <rob^> anyone know where I can get export_divx4.so from?
[01:56] <Razor-X> I prefer the Console version meself
[01:56] <ninwa> nitrox, Consider using Synaptic from now on.
[01:56] <ninwa> It has a built in search feature.
[01:56] <Razor-X> and, it seems Konsole sometimes seems to not work with C-b
[01:56] <nitrox> I will
[01:56] <kong0> ok NOW i got it workign
[01:56] <Razor-X> ninwa: why reccomend a GUI utility?
[01:56] <nitrox> I will get to apt-get another time
[01:56] <kong0> i ectracted it and where did it go?
[01:56] <Razor-X> isn't it easy to aptitude search?
[01:56] <Razor-X> or sudo apt-cache search
[01:56] <absinthe_os> I like Ubuntu but it's somewhat sluggish. I'm a crazy minimalist
[01:56] <Razor-X> but, the former doesen't need root privileges
[01:56] <Jesse1> kong0, it would have went to the folder the tar was in
[01:57] <absinthe_os> I've thought about trying Arch, I've heard it blazes
[01:57] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: i'm assuming you do everything in command-line/
[01:57] <Razor-X> *?
[01:57] <aty> i know this is a really stupid question, but how do you excute a .bin file which is a self extracting shell script, because i am trying to install a jave runtime enviorment
[01:57] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, For the most part yes
[01:57] <aty> ?
[01:57] <kong0> well thats strange cus it isnt..
[01:57] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: then, use Debian proper
[01:57] <dooglus> aty: "su sdfsdfsd.bin"
[01:57] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, What is "proper"?
[01:57] <aty> ohhh ok
[01:57] <Jesse1> kong0, where could have it gone?
[01:58] <Razor-X> if you don't want an X manager, but still want multitasking and desktop environmentns, install twin
[01:58] <aty> il try that, thanks
[01:58] <dooglus> aty: "sh sdfsdfsd.bin"
[01:58] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: a figure of speech
[01:58] <dooglus> sorry.
[01:58] <thenuke> absinthe_os: well, you can customize ubuntu to be whatever you want it to be
[01:58] <kong0> sudo tar -zxvf /home/kong0/Torrents/cedega/cedega_4.3_tgz/cedega_4.3-1.i386.tgz
[01:58] <dooglus> sh, not su, sorry.  this new keyboard is horrible.
[01:58] <thenuke> absinthe_os: it definately is sluggish if you have old PC
[01:58] <Razor-X> but, if you want X, I suggest something like TWM or Ratpoison, or something
[01:58] <ninwa> Razor-X, It's more manageable in Synaptic IMHO. It's a matter of preference, if you can't agree with that, then well... :o)
[01:58] <absinthe_os> thenuke, Yeah, like I said I love Ubuntu, I just wish Gnome was a bit quicker
[01:58] <ninwa> Users want friendliness, Windows became popular for a reason, you know.
[01:58] <Razor-X> ninwa: GUI itself is a bit clunky, in my opinion
[01:58] <Jesse1> kong0, it should be in the folder cedega_tgz
[01:59] <ninwa> Maybe that was a bad analogy, though, haha.
[01:59] <kong0> absinthe os u dont HAVE to have gnome u know..o could have blackbox
[01:59] <thenuke> absinthe_os: try fluxbox
[01:59] <kong0> i know
[01:59] <Razor-X> yeah, i'm a have to tone down the brightness on my eterm background
[01:59] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, Are you suggesting I drop a gui completely lol
[01:59] <kong0> but it isnt
[01:59] <ninwa> absinthe_os, Yeah, go for it! Who needs X.
[01:59] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: TWM for ultra-minimalistic
[01:59] <kong0> should i run the command again?
[01:59] <absinthe_os> thenuke, ok I will =)
[01:59] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: your choice, like I said TWM for ultra minimalistic, XFce for something inbetween
[01:59] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I've heard of it
[01:59] <Razor-X> ewww, Flux looks nasty
[02:00] <Jesse1> kong0, go to the tar and right click it then push extract here
[02:00] <Razor-X> Enlightenment uses the same amount of resources, and is waaay better looking
[02:00] <dooglus> Razor-X: you can make it look slightly less nasty
[02:00] <kong0> ok wait i think i found it
[02:00] <thenuke> absinthe_os: yup, i'm sure you will just LOVE it :) if you can handle a bit tweaking and configuring with console without the help of GUI
[02:00] <kong0> /home/usr
[02:00] <Razor-X> dooglus: yeah, but, Enlightenment, if configured, is a billion times better than Fluxbox ;)
[02:00] <BrianHH> Hi, everyone.  I'm trying to install xchat 2.4.3, but it's not working.  The install doesn't build the GTK or text interfaces, and no xchat binary gets built.  Can someone help me out?
[02:01] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I love tweaking and configuring :D
[02:01] <kong0> however there still are no readme
[02:01] <absinthe_os> lol
[02:01] <dooglus> Razor-X: enlightenment always struck me as being fur coat and no knickers
[02:01] <Jesse1> kong0, well you should really buy the software
[02:01] <kong0> i know but hey im 30 $ back
[02:01] <Octane> whats the command to find out whats using something
[02:01] <Danar> kong0, if you don't want to buy it there's the cvs version
[02:02] <kong0> lol
[02:02] <kong0> wine?
[02:02] <thenuke> absinthe_os: great =)
[02:02] <CarlK> Octane, lsof?
[02:02] <dooglus> Octane: fuser?
[02:02] <Danar> no, cvscedega: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page
[02:02] <Octane> CarlK, thank you!
[02:02] <kong0> danar does it work then?
[02:02] <hadone> will ubuntu support my smc ez connect wireless card?
[02:02] <Octane> is cedega better than wine
[02:02] <absinthe_os> octane, use "system monitor" applications->system tools->system monitor
[02:03] <scott> a lot of times when I change songs or skip forward (also in movies) in totem and other players I hear a loud screech. anyone else get that or know how to get rid of it?
[02:03] <absinthe_os> octane, for gaming yes
[02:03] <Danar> kong0, apparently it lacks a few features the paid version has
[02:03] <yoda> 1
[02:03] <CarlK> dhcp says "renewal in 235353 seconds." but it only lasts about 500 seconds, and then my IP goes away
[02:03] <Danar> but they end up in cvscedega eventually
[02:03] <absinthe_os> thenuke, what about IceVM?
[02:03] <kong0> how do i install that?
[02:03] <absinthe_os> thenuke, err iceWM
[02:03] <Danar> cedega isn't _better_ than wine, it's just better for games. wine is better for general apps
[02:03] <Danar> kong0, check the page
[02:03] <thenuke> anatole: I havent tried that
[02:04] <kong0> danar: are there any readmes or sunthin? maybe ubunutguide has the commands?
[02:04] <thenuke> absinthe_os: I havent tried that
[02:04] <ThE__OnE> hi all
[02:04] <Danar> kong0, here's a suggestion: try reading the page!
[02:04] <Jesse1> kong0, if you check the site theres a tutorial on it about 4 lines down
[02:04] <Varanger> how do I change the language spellchecker in Ubuntu?
[02:04] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I'll just try out several of them and see what snags me
[02:04] <absinthe_os> thenuke, checking out flux now
[02:04] <thenuke> absinthe_os: XFCE is another lightweight thing what _many_ loves
[02:04] <absinthe_os> later
[02:04] <Varanger> how do I change the language spellchecker in Ubuntu's OpenOffice.org ?
[02:05] <Jesse1> Varanger, you need to download the dictionarys from openoffice.org
[02:05] <Varanger> then?
[02:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to tell mplayer to use esd?
[02:05] <Varanger> Jesse1: then?
[02:05] <thenuke> flux is a bit lighter than XFCE as far as I know, but if you are dealing with more than pentium 100MHz and so on.. you could try XFCE also
[02:05] <kong0> danar here's a question: What Site?
[02:05] <Octane> anyone elese having problems with cvs wine on amd64
[02:05] <Danar> "Danar no, cvscedega: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page"
[02:06] <Jesse1> Varanger, theres instructions ive forgot i can get them for you
[02:06] <concept10> BROKEN_LADDER, try using the multimedia systems selector
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> figured it out.
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> mplayer -ao esd
[02:07] <jd_> hi
[02:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> my matrix I rip is workin! yayyy
[02:07] <hadone> will ubuntu support my smc ez connect wireless card?
[02:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg theora looks pretty damn good.
[02:08] <Danar> yeh, and it's open :)
[02:08] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:08] <Varanger> ho do I start ubuntu in console mode ?
[02:09] <Ubuntu> ninwa:
[02:09] <ninwa> Yes?
[02:09] <absinthe_os> thenuke, fluxbox is sweeeeeeeeeeet
[02:09] <kong0> Danar: how was i supposed to see the command for cvscedega?
[02:09] <kong0> without paying...
[02:09] <CarlK> hadone, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28network%29
[02:09] <ninwa> Ubuntu: Yes?
[02:10] <Danar> kong0, well, they mention it on the site (transgaming)
[02:10] <Danar> the makers of cedega
[02:10] <kong0> i cant just go in there and get the command u know
[02:10] <Danar> or, if you had found that linux gamer site...
[02:10] <Ubuntu> ninwa: i have installed vnc in xp should also do this in ubuntu?
[02:10] <Jesse1> Varanger, http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/download_dictionary.html
[02:10] <CarlK> are there any #channels for wifi on linux like stuff?
[02:10] <hadone> thank CarlK
[02:10] <ninwa> Ubuntu, at least install the client in Linux, and you should be able to connect to the Windows machine running the server.
[02:11] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:11] <CarlK> hadone, I have had much better luck with Ubuntu and odd wifi cards
[02:11] <cthulfuego> Ubuntu (Gnome) comes with the client.
[02:11] <kong0> ahh lol danar ur just to much
[02:11] <ninwa> There you go. :o)
[02:11] <Danar> kong0, personally, i found cvscedega mentioned on the transgaming site, and googled it, and found that linux gamer site
[02:11] <ninwa> I didn't know that.
[02:11] <hadone> odd? like off brand?
[02:11] <cthulfuego> it even comes with a Windows Remote Desktop client.
[02:12] <Varanger> Jesse1: thx !
[02:12] <Varanger> ho do I start ubuntu in console mode ?
[02:12] <Ubuntu> ninwa: ok
[02:12] <Victus> where can I get intel display drivers?
[02:12] <ThE__OnE> anyone help me
[02:12] <cthulfuego> Victus: They're already on your syste,/
[02:12] <rob^> does ubuntu have a dumbed down version of transcode? It doesnt seem to contain the divx .so 's
[02:13] <kong0> danar: i open the WineCVS.sh file with less and nothinh happens
[02:13] <Danar> Varanger, try ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a console if you want. ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[02:13] <Victus> do I have to use dpkg?
[02:13] <Danar> kong0, you didn't 'open' it with less, you displayed it with less. it's a script, which you want to execute. this is indicated by the '.sh'
[02:14] <Danar> kong0, in the same dir as the file, type 'chmod +x <filename>' to make it executable, then type ./<filename> to run it
[02:14] <Varanger> Danar: thx!
[02:14] <Danar> Varanger, np
[02:14] <kong0> i never got the file
[02:14] <kong0> danar
[02:14] <Varanger> Victus: which card do you have?
[02:15] <Danar> Varanger, there's also f2, etc
[02:15] <kong0> danar: when i opened with less nothing happened
[02:15] <Danar> kong0, then how did you display it with less?
[02:16] <Danar> kong0, save WineCVS.sh to your home dir or somewhere handy. open a terminal window and make sure you're in that dir. then do what i said above
[02:17] <Danar> kong0, alternatively, you could bother to actually read the page where it's all explained in detail
[02:17] <Jesse1> Varanger, also you might want to look at this software http://ooodi.sourceforge.net/
[02:17] <kong0> aight
[02:18] <Jesse1> hmmmm for some reason the apps ive installed are appearing in the application list
[02:20] <kong0> Danar: lol forgot to mention this is my secind day with llinux so i dont even understand a quarter of the instructions posted in that readme file
[02:20] <cthulfuego> kong0: better start reading then.
[02:20] <CarlK> is there a way to run ifdown && ifup when my IP evaporates?
[02:20] <cthulfuego> CarlK: evaporates?
[02:20] <Jesse1> kong0, check out the guide as well if your new http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:20] <Danar> kong0, you ought to be able to simply follow the instructions. copy & paste the commands, etc...
[02:21] <we2by> looks like I can't access smb shared folder ona  remote machine in a lan
[02:21] <CarlK> cthulfuego, like just now, my pings tuned into "ping: sendmsg: Network is unreachable"
[02:21] <Danar> for the most part, if you follow the instructions properly, you shouldn't have a problem
[02:21] <ThE__OnE> anyone help me
[02:22] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, what is your problem
[02:22] <kong0> are u saying im supposed to type ALL thoose commands couse i didnt get that...
[02:22] <CarlK> cthulfuego, and ifocnfig doesn't show an IP, but the "signal stength" stays at 90%
[02:22] <Jesse1> kong0, the instructions are preety basic
[02:22] <LanShark> anyone get audigy sound blaster card to work on ubuntu?
[02:23] <we2by> I have problem with smb
[02:23] <kong0> well an answer would be even more basic for me...
[02:23] <Danar> kong0, just follow the directions. if you don't want to type them, there's always copy & paste
[02:23] <LanShark> ... ?audigy 2
[02:23] <we2by> a few days ago it still works fine
[02:23] <Danar> kong0, just highlight it, then middle-click to paste
[02:23] <kong0> middle click?
[02:24] <Lafitte-> we2by, how many guesses to finish your description ?
[02:24] <ninwa> That'd be the button between the left and right button, on your mouse.
[02:24] <CarlK> kong0,  or both right+left if you dn';t have a middle
[02:24] <Jesse1> kong0, your mouse has a scroller right? then u bust that down
[02:24] <ninwa> Usually a scroll-wheel. :o)
[02:24] <Octane> anyone else here having problems with xine?
[02:24] <we2by> I typed smb://<IP_ADDRESS>/smb in nautilus
[02:24] <ninwa> Nope, I use mplayer.
[02:24] <kong0> i have a laptop so..
[02:25] <Octane> ninwa, but kaffeine uses xine
[02:25] <Lafitte-> Octane,  yes mine tacks when i play movies
[02:25] <kong0> i dont even have mouse
[02:25] <we2by> it says destination not found or folder deleted
[02:25] <Danar> kong0, yeh, the scroll wheel is also a button. if you don't have one, then both buttons at the same time should do it
[02:25] <kong0> ibm t40
[02:25] <Octane> Lafitte-, tacks?
[02:25] <Jesse1> kong0, you can right click then push paste
[02:25] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:25] <we2by> Lafitte-, any idea?
[02:25] <Danar> heh
[02:25] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, formate and reinstall
[02:25] <kong0> well should i copy it all at once?
[02:25] <Lafitte-> Octane,  how do you describe a screen that pauses randomly while watching it ?
[02:25] <Jesse1> kong0, depends on what your copying
[02:25] <Danar> kong0, copy all what? i just told you how to copy commands...
[02:25] <ThE__OnE> when i try to go the insall again it says that some error like dlete my drive, but i already deleted it
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> how do if format
[02:26] <Danar> (for commands)
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> how do i format
[02:27] <Danar> kong0, seriously, it shouldn't be to difficult to follow the instructions. just read carefully, and copy & paste the commands so you don't make mistakes
[02:27] <Lafitte-> Octane,  maybe the term skips   but i think it is the software glitch  not hardware
[02:27] <kong0> well i paste the commands press enter and nothing happens
[02:28] <Octane> Lafitte-, i dunno, my kaffeine just crashes, i cant get shit to play in xine and xine-engine in amarok also crashes
[02:28] <Danar> kong0, where'd you paste it?
[02:28] <kong0> in terminal
[02:29] <Lafitte-> Octane,  oh  mine doesnt crash   mine ust per say skips/tacks  however you say it
[02:29] <Danar> kong0, are you sure it's supposed to have any output?
[02:29] <robertj> anyone here have any suggestions on a no-fuss reasonably light laptop with a good display that won't break the bank?
[02:29] <kong0> hmmm output? u mean effects? i dont know
[02:30] <kong0> im taking one line at a time
[02:30] <Octane> Lafitte-, i think my issue may be a sound issue
[02:30] <robertj> I looked at Office Depot's $500 machine, and its a pretty good deal, but I couldn't find squat about user experiences and the display wasn't great and I would have had to up the memory myself
[02:31] <Danar> kong0, no, i mean output. it can have effects without output
[02:31] <Danar> 'it' being a command
[02:31] <Octane> man ubuntu is so much bette rthan fedora
[02:31] <Octane> not as many newbies
[02:32] <Octane> and at least the ubuntu newbies are not totally retarded
[02:32] <Octane> (myself including)
[02:32] <Octane> included*
[02:32] <Jesse1> kong0, just keep going untill you finsih all the commands and if you followed the correctly it will work
[02:32] <kong0> alright
[02:33] <kong0> its an awful lot of cammands thou
[02:33] <Jesse1> kong0, well it needs them for a reason
[02:33] <Danar> well, gl. i'm out
[02:33] <kong0> would it do any difference if i type them in the root terminal?
[02:34] <robertj> Octane: actually, the Ubuntu newbies are probably not able to IRC
[02:34] <Octane> anyone here successfully install wine lately on an amd64 box
[02:34] <Octane> robertj, lol
[02:34] <robertj> Anyone buy a laptop recently that they are happy with?
[02:35] <ninwa> Laptops are too pricey for me to be happy with any of them.
[02:35] <Jesse1> kong0, what are u putting in to the terminal?
[02:35] <ninwa> That plus the inability to customize makes me squeemish.
[02:35] <Octane> robertj, Dell's are great
[02:35] <robertj> ninwa: They had a decent one for $500 today at Office Depot
[02:35] <ninwa> I wonder what the specs were.
[02:35] <robertj> Octane: I'm sellling my Dell tomorrow, tis been good but its aging
[02:35] <Octane> anyone here have a palm pilot they're happy with that works with Kontact
[02:35] <robertj> ninwa: 1.4 gig Celeron with 256 megs of ram, DVD/CDRW and internal A/b/g
[02:35] <robertj> maybe just b/g, can't remember
[02:36] <robertj> but the display wasn't great, and I couldn't find out from anyone wether mobile celeron supported speed steppign
[02:36] <Danar> kong0, here's a tip. ubuntu is based on debian, so if it says something should work for debian, it'll prolly work for ubuntu as well
[02:36] <ninwa> if only it were 512 mb of RAM it'd be a good steal I think
[02:36] <concept10> Octane, I had it work with Kontact before
[02:36] <robertj> also it had a bajillion mail in rebates
[02:36] <ThE__OnE> how do i format
[02:36] <Danar> just read the pages. gl
[02:36] <Danar> nite
[02:36] <Octane> concept10, which one
[02:36] <CarlK> kismet problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLuNOB36.html
[02:36] <concept10> Octane Palm Tungsten E
[02:36] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, do you have a windows xp cd?
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> yes
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> i haev to format therough there?
[02:37] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, well thats the easyest way to do it
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> i cant do it from ubuntu?
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> hmm
[02:37] <scott> of the services like itunes music styore, which works in linux?
[02:37] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, you cant formate i drive your currently using
[02:38] <concept10> Octane, well just buy me the ipod and get something else for yourself
[02:38] <Octane> LOL
[02:38] <Octane> my frend got an m:robe
[02:38] <Lafitte-> how do i kill mplayer if it is locked up ?
[02:38] <Octane> the olympus one
[02:38] <Jesse1> Lafitte-, killall esd
[02:39] <concept10> bbl, going to get some food
[02:39] <ThE__OnE> i know that, i mean cant you do a comand for it to format when it reboots
[02:39] <scott> Octane: any good? I like the simplicity of the ipod
[02:39] <Lafitte-> Jesse1,  doesnt take the screens away
[02:39] <Octane> scott, its really attractive, its pretty usable, but i think the ipod still wins.
[02:39] <Octane> i only saw the m:robe camera version
[02:39] <Octane> not the smaller one
[02:39] <robertj> Octane: I recommend the shuffle to most everyone
[02:39] <Lafitte-> how do i see the running process ?
[02:40] <robertj> my sister bought one today. She was looking at armbands for her older rev iPod so she could go to the gym and I was like "Don't do that."
[02:40] <Octane> robertj, one of my coworkers got it the other day, i helped her with it and she was jubilant
[02:40] <Octane> its nice
[02:40] <robertj> It's the only piece of iCrap that I think is worth the money
[02:40] <Octane> but too little space for me
[02:40] <Jesse1> Lafitte-,  killall -i i think
[02:40] <robertj> that and the iBooks are good notebooks if a bit pricey
[02:40] <Jesse1> no killall -l
[02:40] <Octane> i have lots of audio books and The Teaching Company lecture s-- thats why i want an mp3 player
[02:41] <scott> so no recommendations on a music store that works in linux?
[02:42] <Octane> scott, torrents :)
[02:42] <Octane> :X
[02:42] <robertj> scott: or better yet, any recommendations on a p2p client with gaim integration?
[02:42] <Octane> with gaim integration? no such thing
[02:43] <Octane> who uses p2p networks anymore? torrents are the way to go imo
[02:43] <robertj> Does gnutella2 offer any way to password protect entry onto a p2p net?
[02:43] <magog> torents are bad...copyright infringement gives BT a bad name...and we all know for legal distribution like linux iso's BT is great
[02:43] <ninwa> Octane, I use gtk-gnutella quite a bit.
[02:43] <robertj> I want to have a private net for me and my friends to do private business on.
[02:43] <ninwa> Torrents are great for large files though, like videos
[02:43] <ninwa> www.systm.org
[02:43] <ninwa> distributes its videos via BT
[02:44] <BrianHH> Hi, everyone.  Can someone tell me the repository to get xchat-2.4.3 off of?
[02:44] <robertj> BrianHH: what do you need an xchat upgrade for?
[02:44] <magog> what does it have new in 2.4.3?
[02:44] <robertj> just curious
[02:44] <ninwa> BrianHH, You'll probably have to get it from the website.
[02:44] <ninwa> The repositories maintain stable releases, not bleeding edge :)
[02:45] <BrianHH> robertj:  I just wanted to upgrade is all.  :)  I tried compiling from source on the xchat site, but I'm getting too many compiling errors.  I thought I'd make life easy on myself by having synaptic take care of the dependencies.
[02:46] <robertj> BrianHH: I think you can apt-get install build-deps xchat or something like that
[02:46] <robertj> or maybe its apt-src with build-deps
[02:46] <BrianHH> robertj: Cool.  Which depository do I need for that?  apt-get from the depositories I have listed only gives me 2.4.1.
[02:47] <kong0> lol well all that crap didnt work and now im pissed
[02:47] <robertj> Brian: well get the depts for 2.4.1 and then see if 2.4.3 will compile cleanly
[02:47] <CarlK> what would cause my IP to go away?
[02:47] <robertj> apt-get build-dep xchat should be a good start
[02:47] <robertj> CarlK: Your ISP lease could be up?
[02:47] <CarlK> as in, ifconfig doesn't show an IP, and suddenly I can't ping the AP
[02:47] <Octane> are there lots of kubuntu users in here
[02:47] <robertj> CarlK: crappy AP firmware?
[02:48] <CarlK> robertj, "renewal in 281365 seconds."  but it happens after about 500 secconds
[02:48] <BrianHH> robertj:  Okay, thanks. :)
[02:48] <CarlK> robertj, and my local IP shouldn't go away, right?
[02:48] <Octane> im so glad i got my dma working, it took me a whole day to copy 10gb locally the other day
[02:48] <robertj> CarlK: well if your access point is going bye bye who knows
[02:49] <minkymeow> In gnome for some reason I can only use one screen resolution...how do I fix this?
[02:49] <CarlK> robertj, even if the AP goes, I think I should still have an IP
[02:49] <robertj> CarlK: well if its also the router it wont do you much good
[02:50] <robertj> maybe its killing your lease before it goes boom
[02:50] <kong0> how do you start wine?
[02:50] <CarlK> robertj, there is no "kill lease"
[02:50] <Octane> kong0, people like me cant even got wine compiled -- dont rub it in
[02:50] <robertj> CarlK: I dunno the spec at all, so thats just my guess
[02:51] <CarlK> (i spend a bit of time on a dhcp server mail list - that comes up often "how to I force all the clients to renew?"
[02:51] <minkymeow> In gnome for some reason I can only use one screen resolution...how do I fix this?
[02:51] <kong0> well i havent installed it(only in synaptics windoer if it will work...) so i just wanna know how to start..
[02:51] <robertj> hrmm, have you checked your logs?
[02:51] <minkymeow> it only runs at 1024*768 can't go higher or lower.....whats the deal
[02:52] <CarlK> yup the only thing in dmesg is "eth1: no IPv6 routers present" everythime I run ifup
[02:52] <robertj> minkeymeow: is this a laptop, desktop LCD, or desktop CRT
[02:52] <robertj> can you assign it a static address without problems?
[02:52] <Octane> Where is the Isle of Man
[02:52] <CarlK> oohh.. good idea
[02:52] <CarlK> nothing in /var/log/messages
[02:53] <CarlK> ill try static
[02:53] <minkymeow> laptop
[02:53] <minkymeow> with a wider than normal screen
[02:53] <son> what does usermode +w do?
[02:54] <son> what does usermode +w do?
[02:54] <thenuke> son: what does man chmod do?
[02:55] <son> uhhh.... i dunno
[02:55] <thenuke> or did I mix something up. I guess I dod.
[02:55] <ubuntu_> thenuke, chmod changes file permisons and other stuff
[02:55] <son> do you know what usermode +w does?
[02:55] <son> do you know what usermode +w does?
[02:55] <minkymeow> I tried fedora a while back and it allowed me to select my monitor and I had a choice of a variety of resolutions....here I only have one...at least according the the thing in gnome
[02:56] <thenuke> son: what does google tell you about that
[02:56] <son> google...???
[02:56] <Octane> ugh
[02:56] <Octane> someone ban that dude
[02:56] <son> what is google?
[02:56] <son> anyone?
[02:56] <thenuke> son: http://www.google.com
[02:56] <son> oh ok
[02:57] <kong0> does tvout work in ubuntu? native i mean...
[02:57] <bleaked> son: you're not serious?
[02:57] <kong0> tv.out
[02:58] <ubuntu_> kong0, you probably have to install something
[02:58] <Octane> kong0, depedns on your card, you probably need either ivtv or bttv
[02:58] <ubuntu_> son, google is a search engine
[02:58] <kestas> why is it that when I mount an smb drive with fstab it gets shown in nautilus, but when I mount an nfs drive in fstab I need to go to /mnt manually?
[02:59] <kong0> thats lame
[02:59] <nlghtcrawler-lin> afteafter unpack smeg, how do i run it, if its not in the menu?
[02:59] <kong0> should i install ati drivers?(i have ati)
[02:59] <ubuntu_> son, if you dont know what google is i suggest you go back to windows
[02:59] <ubuntu_> hurray i timed out
[02:59] <nlghtcrawler-lin> r u talking to me?
[02:59] <ubuntu_> whats the command to change nick?
[03:00] <thr1ce>  /nick
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> umm..... and ur telling me to go back to windows....
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> ANYWAY...
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> can someone help me?
[03:00] <Jesse1> thr1ce, thought so
[03:00] <thr1ce> :)
[03:00] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler-lin, no im telling son to go back to windows
[03:01] <kong0> wich is better, ivtv or bttv?
[03:01] <nlghtcrawler-lin> oh, ok sorry :P
[03:01] <nlghtcrawler> anyway, does someonw know how?
[03:01] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, try going to run and type smeg
[03:01] <carl> pretty sure my static IP just disapeared - ill have to wait another 500 seconds to check ifconfig
[03:01] <kong0> no answer
[03:02] <Jesse1> kong0, i have no idea ive never used them
[03:02] <Jesse1> kong0, try both and see which one you like
[03:02] <robertj> carl: lsmod|grep net?
[03:02] <nlghtcrawler> i've done that....
[03:02] <kong0> hmm do you think i can use tv-out without additional software?
[03:03] <Jesse1> no even on windows you need aditional software (that comes with the drivers on windows)
[03:03] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, nothing come up u installed it properly?
[03:04] <nlghtcrawler> ya
[03:04] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, you refresh the gnomepanel?
[03:04] <nlghtcrawler> all it did, is say "setting up smeg (0.5-Oubuntul) .. then thats it
[03:04] <carl> robertj, # lsmod|grep net - nothing (even when my connection is up)
[03:04] <kong0> man i would really dislike triggy installations...
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> ya update-menus
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> right?
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> or killall gnome-panel
[03:05] <Danar> for some reason i can't synch my time...
[03:05] <carl> and my connection just bouneced, no IP durring the outage
[03:05] <Danar> root@ubuntu:~ # ntpdate ca.pool.ntp.org
[03:05] <Danar> 20 Jun 21:04:03 ntpdate[3562] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[03:06] <nlghtcrawler> no
[03:06] <nlghtcrawler> bbl
[03:07] <Jesse1> well im goin cya's
[03:08] <bleaked> wow..
[03:08] <Octane> anyone know wha tports I have to add to my fiewall for samba?
[03:08] <Llanowyn> Hello everyone :)
[03:09] <anto9us> Octane: I believe 137, 138 and 139 tcp and udp
[03:09] <iLLf8d> Octane: cat /etc/services | grep netbios
[03:10] <Octane> thanks iLLf8d , anto9us
[03:10] <Octane> and what about for mail?
[03:10] <Octane> because i only get mail when i turn off guarddog
[03:10] <iLLf8d> services again
[03:10] <iLLf8d> you may wanna less the file and take a look
[03:10] <Octane> pop3 ?
[03:10] <Octane> got it
[03:10] <iLLf8d> that and smtp probably
[03:10] <anto9us> Octane: smtp is 25 and pop is 110
[03:11] <Danar> k, i synchronized my time and now it's wrong, even though i set the right time zone... wtf?
[03:11] <Octane> guarddog could use some usability fies
[03:11] <Octane> fixes*
[03:11] <robertj> Frys was a dissapointment for me though, it had a good selection and prices were okay if you were in a rush, but the help-staff seemed as useless as ever
[03:11] <heebie> Hi. Is anyone here running an amd64 system with dual-monitors on nVidia FX 5700 video?
[03:11] <robertj> We just got our Frys last year, and its kinda...not run well
[03:13] <vinux> hello all. My ubuntu Family :)
[03:13] <heebie> Has anyone gotten Java plugins running in amd64 ubuntu?
[03:14] <anto9us> vinux: can I have some pocket money?
[03:14] <vinux> anto9us, hehe you not that close of family :)
[03:14] <anto9us> worth a try :)
[03:14] <iLLf8d> robertj, how can frys be a disappointment you jest!
[03:15] <vinux> anto9us, now get in there an clean your room or your grounded
[03:15] <Llanowyn> So i'm kinda new here, and i'm going to migrate over from windows.  I was wondering what I should be backing up and what kind of stuff won't be useful.  Can anyone help me out with that?
[03:15] <anto9us> vinux: then can I have some pocket money?
[03:15] <absinthe_os> How can I completely remove ipv6 functionality from Ubuntu?
[03:15] <iLLf8d> frys is an electronics mecca!
[03:15] <heebie> Llanowyn: Anything that is "user data" you should keep.
[03:16] <vinux> anto9us, well ok here take this dollar and go buy you something :)
[03:16] <benplaut> iLLf8d: nah... i'll stick with Newegg and Zipzoomfly :)
[03:16] <anto9us> Llanowyn: back up everything that you'd hate to lose but you can install ubuntu and still leave windows on your system. Provided you have enough disk space
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> yes
[03:17] <iLLf8d> benplaut, and you'll pay for it too
[03:17] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> recompile kernel without IPv6 support
[03:17] <iLLf8d> benplaut, tho I do like newegg also
[03:17] <absinthe_os> GNULinuxer, no "off" switch?
[03:17] <benplaut> iLLf8d: in hawaii, it costs more to fl to the nearest Frys then for shipping on Newegg (but only slightly...)
[03:18] <anto9us> vinux: they don't take dollars where I live, can't I just borrow your credit card instead?
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament but I get: sudo sh ut-install-436.run Verifying archive integrity...OK
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> Uncompressing Unreal Tournament version 436 Linux installtrap: usage: trap [-lp]  [arg signal_spec ...]
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> what could be the error?
[03:19] <Llanowyn> Well, i've gone through a ritual of formatting / reinstalling every few months or so.  This time I want to give something different a try. Thanks Heebie & Anto9us.  Also any tips would be greately appreciated.
[03:20] <kong0> do i need anti virus programm?
[03:20] <magog> Llanowyn, youll find you wont need to reformatt all the time like in windows
[03:20] <scorpix> koma, no
[03:20] <vinux> anto9us, sure here let me  type it in here for you. But dont' let the other people see. 5555-5555-yeah-right.
[03:20] <john__> question
[03:20] <scorpix> kong0, no
[03:20] <robertj> Llanowyn: You shouldn't have to reformat windows every few months
[03:21] <anto9us> kong0: not generally needed on linux, it's handy if for windows disk and network filesystems that you might connect to though
[03:21] <robertj> I format yearly whenever I upgrade hardware, but otehr than that I don't have any problems
[03:21] <absinthe_os> I have installed enemy territory how do "uninstall" it?
[03:21] <mae> robertj: if you are 90 percent of the populace that uses windows you "should" but don't know how :)
[03:21] <john__> if I use sudo gedit to open xorg.conf, shouldn't I be able to save the changes?
[03:21] <Llanowyn> yea, I know, but I have a tendency to lose my free space
[03:21] <kong0> when i had windows (2 days ago) i got viruse
[03:21] <kong0> all the time
[03:21] <robertj> and if you can't make windows work for you, you aint got much chance with Linux unless its maanged by sommeone else
[03:21] <anto9us> john__: yes
[03:22] <kong0> wow its getting late...problably should go to bed
[03:22] <DanielC> Hello. Should I be concerned that the package I want to install "cannot be authenticated" ?  What does it mean?
[03:23] <kong0> igt means some ppl who made it didnt subscribe the info
[03:23] <DanielC> Ok.
[03:23] <anto9us> john__: what does it say to you?
[03:23] <DanielC> kong0: Thanks for the help.
[03:23] <kong0> np
[03:23] <Danar> kong0, if you have a windows partition (like if you dual-boot) you might want to be able to scan it for viruses from linux. in that case install clamav
[03:23] <john__> Could not save the file "/etc/x11/xorg.conf"
[03:24] <john__> (that's the precise msg it's showing me)
[03:24] <kong0> nah only have windoes on my other computer...could virus sneak in thru our shared network?
[03:24] <mae> robertj: you put someone on linux vs windows .. a complete beginner, with broadband internet.. the windows user will accumulate malware/spyware if they download stuff.. or just by using ie.  on linux, even if there is security exploits, your running in your underpriv'd user jail.. software can't mess with anything but your per-user setup. if it gets messed up all you have to do is rm -rf ~/ && rm -rf ~/.*
[03:24] <benplaut> john__: opened as Read-Only?
[03:24] <Danar> kong0, you wouldn't get a windows virus on linux
[03:24] <kong0> nice
[03:25] <john__> i used this to open it:  sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:25] <kong0> maybe i should statrt work out a bit..
[03:25] <benplaut> john__: check that it's not open anywhere else
[03:25] <robertj> mae: You can just give them an unpriveleged account on XP as well
[03:26] <robertj> my dad has an unpriveleged account he uses and only uses the Admin account to play his games
[03:26] <john__> if i'm in x, is it open?
[03:26] <anto9us> john__: it's sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:26] <mae> robertj: this is true, but it is not the default setup, also, _much_ windows software is badly designed and assumes administrator access and will choke otherwise.
[03:26] <kong0> im starting to get the shape of barbapappa....
[03:26] <vinux> mae, what does rm -rf ~/ && rm -rf ~/.* do?
[03:26] <john__> ahhhhhhhhh  case-sensitive (slaps forehead)
[03:26] <robertj> mae: well by default, your average user in Linux doesn't have a chance to do what vinux just said
[03:26] <benplaut> qnto9us: nice catch on the caps ;)
[03:27] <anto9us> :)
[03:27] <Danar> vinux, that would remove everything in your home dir
[03:27] <Quest-Master> vinux: Delete everything in the home directory ..
[03:27] <mae> robertj: your average windows user has even less of a chance to reformat and reinstall all the drivers..
[03:27] <robertj> And also by default, Windows now does security updates by default whereas XP does not
[03:27] <kestas> it would delete the home directory itself
[03:27] <kong0> well  im off to watch some hentai
[03:27] <kestas> not everything in it
[03:27] <kong0> gl all cya
[03:27] <robertj> mae: err whereas Ubuntu does not do security updates by default
[03:27] <Danar> that too
[03:27] <john__> that was it - thanks
[03:28] <vinux> robertj, can you get security updates manually though?
[03:28] <mae> robertj: the largest security risk is an inexperienced pc user.. and 90 percent of that problem is eliminated in linux because any programs that run have limited access.
[03:29] <robertj> mae: or because there aren't any programs that most users would want to run
[03:29] <Danar> mae, and that last 10% is amplified by people running things as root :p
[03:29] <robertj> it doesn't matter if they are running a root or not
[03:29] <robertj> it just means that malware authors will ask for the root password and people will enter it
[03:30] <mae> robertj: this is mainly because most software is written for windows, has nothing to do with the viability.. for my example lets just assume the correct software is available.. linux was designed far better for security that windows xp was..
[03:30] <Guerin> robertj: yes, it does. If a box is rooted, you have to reinstall from scratch.  If Acrobat asks for a password to intsall, and they enter the password, they get positive reinforcement in the form of a working PDF reader
[03:31] <vinux> mae, although when I was new to slackware I thought I would install a firewall. But it went very wrong when I didn't read the info files and I installed a firewall system that plays like a linux system so it wiped out my system files lol. I'm sure you know what happened then..... Reinstall baby! Stupid me
[03:31] <robertj> Guerin: and truthfully, to any _real_ user, for someone who really has alot to lose, the home directory is everything
[03:32] <robertj> Whats in my home directory? A 6 gig wedding video, half a dozen cvs checkouts, some various side projects, and some personal writings. I can always reinstall whatever OS, but if that stuff is gone I'd cry.
[03:32] <zyth> The issue is not so much which OS as user education.
[03:32] <robertj> I've got it all backed up, because I don't want to cry
[03:32] <robertj> But for most people, they might have a CD "somewhere" with some documents from "a while ago"
[03:33] <rcec52> Is there a Linux app that will back up everything and let your burn it to cd?
[03:33] <robertj> thats their backup, but it almost doesn't include their notepad .txt file that they keep the house budget in
[03:33] <zyth> rcec52, yep
[03:33] <rcec52> What's it called?
[03:33] <zyth> starts with an m... er, I can't recall the name
[03:33] <rcec52> That helps>
[03:33] <john__> how do i restart X without rebooting?
[03:33] <anto9us> john__: ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:34] <robitaille> rcec52,   mondo
[03:34] <zyth> Mondo
[03:34] <mae> robertj: the same backing up would be required in windows, obviously nothing is perfect;  I am merely arguing that an inexperienced user has a much better chance of keeping a linux system intact than a windows one.. now they may not be able to get the programs they need i.e. because they are used to downloading and easily installing programs like on windows.. but that isn't relevant to my point.
[03:34] <kong0> WTF!! i acnt play vidoes anymore!!!
[03:34] <zyth> found it in syunaptic
[03:34] <rcec52> Thankyou. . .
[03:34] <robertj> mae: I just think the difference is negligible unless they click on virus-attachments. Windows Update does a good job these days
[03:34] <robertj> not perfect, but good enough for 99.9% of the people
[03:35] <mae> robertj: i used to work at a pc store and we made some money from selling computers and computer parts but like 75 percent of our income was service and probably 60 percent of that income was os reformatting of windows
[03:35] <rcec52> Is it possible to set up Ubuntu on one hard drive and Kubuntu on another and access either from the same Grub menu?
[03:35] <vinux> mae, I agree I mean who can keep a windows system intact anyways?
[03:35] <zyth> vinux, me
[03:35] <robertj> mae: yeah, but thats going to go away as those machines are replaced with machines running SP2
[03:35] <kong0> what tf could be wrong!?!?
[03:35] <mae> vinux: i can, but i know what i'm doing
[03:35] <robertj> You will still have some spyware, but Microsoft Antispyware aint a bad product and its free
[03:35] <thenuke> rcec52: it's a bit more convenient to install gnome and kde to the very same ubuntu on the one partition :)
[03:36] <vinux> zyth, mae well I guess that's an answer :)
[03:36] <mae> robertj: sp2 fixed some but malware still circumvents that.. the problem was reduced, but not anywhere near eliminated
[03:36] <rcec52> Ok that answers that question. . . .thanks.
[03:36] <anto9us> I think the biggest issue with windows vs linux security is that most linux software is open to peer review
[03:36] <robertj> mae: it doesn't need to be totally eleminated. It just needs to calm itself down so that we dont' see infection-rates like we were before
[03:36] <d0rt> no slapd in hoary?
[03:37] <_nate_> is there a way to make the background recognize your side/bottom/top bars as the desktop border?
[03:37] <robertj> d0rt: have you checked universe?
[03:37] <d0rt> or is there a differently named package to install an ldap server?
[03:37] <robertj> openldap-server maybe?
[03:37] <d0rt> nevermind
[03:37] <d0rt> slapd is there
[03:37] <robertj> wehe
[03:38] <_nate_> anyone?
[03:38] <rcec52> Will Gnome ever see the popularity that KDE has? I'm running it right now and it's pretty good. I do prefer KDE though. ..
[03:38] <rob^> rcec52, whats your point exactly?
[03:38] <kong0> what should i do when avis where all laggy!?!? install xine something...
[03:38] <vinux> rcec52, kde is really nice but now i'm giving gnome a shot. so far I like it and it works for me
[03:38] <zyth> kong0, are you using mplayer?
[03:39] <rcec52> I guess I'm wondering what the percentage of people like KDE over Gnome. . .
[03:39] <robitaille> rcec52,  yes...Gnome's own goal for the future is: http://live.gnome.org/10x10
[03:39] <rcec52> What's that all about?
[03:39] <kong0> i never got mplayer workign i use totem
[03:40] <Llanowyn> oh yeah, when I install, is ubuntu going to set me up with gnome or kde, or both, or none?
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> rcec52: more people use gnome than KDE, sorry to burst your bubble
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> Llanowyn: GNOEM
[03:40] <Llanowyn> ty hrdwrbob :)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> GNOME
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kde is kubuntu
[03:40] <robitaille> rcec52,  I think it's currently 2/3 - 1/3 KDE vs Gnome (not sure where I heard these numbers...)
[03:40] <rcec52> No offense. . . it just seems like KDE has more software developers working in their favor. . .
[03:40] <zyth> kong0, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[03:40] <robitaille> rcec52,  Gnome want to be on 10% of the desktop computers by 2010.
[03:41] <robertj> I sold my laptop and my desktop on the same day so I gotta find me another machine fast
[03:41] <Guerin> robertj: i have one word, which starts with b and ends with ackups
[03:41] <robertj> Guerin: I have nightly backups over SSH to my parents house, so I'm not concerned, but most people don't have that
[03:41] <Darkfusion> I prefer GNOME to KDE. It just seems cleaner, less cluttered
[03:41] <kong0> what if i use mplayer then?
[03:41] <Guerin> robertj: anyone who cares should.
[03:41] <Darkfusion> but I use XFCE even more so I'm biased to being lightweight
[03:41] <robertj> Dark: Mainly I like Gnome because of the bang-up job they are doing at FDO
[03:41] <robitaille> rcec52,  but at the end of the day, the important point is which one you prefer.  Personally I prefer Gnome..others prefer KDE.  others another one.  It's all about freedom of choice.
[03:41] <anto9us> I think opensolaris will help that goal see fruition before 2010
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> rcec52: mm.
[03:41] <kong0> sudo apt-get install mplayer-xine?
[03:41] <zyth> kong0, set your vo to SDL, uses less CPU
[03:41] <zyth> huh no
[03:41] <zyth> wtf?
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> anto9us: open solaris? haha
[03:42] <robertj> Guerin: someone might, some people are actually sociable
[03:42] <Guerin> robertj: ?
[03:42] <robertj> Guerin: and other people might be interested in buying Ubuntu-friendly hardware
[03:42] <kong0> zyth: where?
[03:42] <vinux> robertj, what's FDO?
[03:42] <rcec52> I'm starting to see what people are saying about Gnome. .  .it is less cluttered and seems more streamline.
[03:42] <robertj> vinux: freedesktop.org
[03:42] <vinux> robertj, oh ok
[03:42] <zyth> kong0, man you lost me.  What media player are you using? Totem or Mplayer?
[03:43] <robertj> vinux: Avahi is sweet :)
[03:44] <rcec52> I'm running Kubuntu (KDE) and Ubuntu (Gnome) on one hard drive and Mepis Linux on another. .. right now.
[03:44] <anto9us> HrdwrBoB: I think it's a very wise move by Sun to open it up
[03:44] <robertj> vinux: it's Bonjour/Rendezvous/Zeroconf but GPL
[03:44] <robertj> anto: I think its good too, but probably not gonna make a whole lot of difference
[03:44] <Llanowyn> Are there major differences in kubuntu and ubuntu asides from kde/gnome?
[03:44] <vinux> robertj, hmmm sounds interesting
[03:44] <robertj> my bet is that it will be a boon for people who use Solaris Express for research but other than that it won't bring in much blood after the initial "gee-whiz" boom is over
[03:44] <kong0> i use totem but only because mplayer doesnt work
[03:45] <zyth> rcec52, why on earth are you running three linux distros?
[03:45] <kong0> zyth
[03:45] <rcec52> Very carefully. ...not all running at the same instance though. . .
[03:45] <zyth> kong0, if you are using totem, install totem-xine.  If you want to use mplayer, you will need to read the mplayer manpage ('man mplayer') and read about how to edit your config file to specify video and audio output
[03:46] <kong0> i have installed totem xine and when i start a movie nothing happens...
[03:46] <rcec52> I'm messing around with differnt distro's to see how they all compare. . .I had Debian on my system the other day. .. a disapointment
[03:46] <kong0> im really going crazy here'
[03:46] <zyth> kong0, do you have the win32codecs installed?
[03:46] <kong0> yes
[03:46] <vinux> kong0, I'm using mplayer to play streaming video and using totem-xine to play dvds
[03:46] <zyth> and have you tried other videos, to make sure it's not just that video?
[03:47] <kong0> mplayer doesnt work at all for me...
[03:47] <Darkfusion> vinux: try VLC?
[03:47] <vinux> Darkfusion, nope never heard of it
[03:47] <kong0> no way man
[03:47] <rcec52> Mplayer works better than Totem I think. ...
[03:47] <Llanowyn> VLC seems to work for me, plays just about everything
[03:47] <anto9us> robertj: the next few years are going to be very interesting, this is the decade that open source makes its biggest impact on the desktop in my vew
[03:47] <kong0> it doesnt work at all i know
[03:48] <kong0> when i start an avi file in mplayer the prgrams loads and then freeze i cant even shut it down ffs
[03:48] <vinux> kong0, did you install the codecs?
[03:48] <kong0> i have ALL codecs
[03:48] <rcec52> This open source software is the greatest thing since 'Mom's apple Pie'. ...I hate Windoze and the software monopoly it has created. . .
[03:48] <kong0> totem doesnt even load when i start the movie thats the wierd part
[03:48] <robertj> anto: I want a big impact on the laptop world ;)
[03:49] <vinux> kong0, oh did you change you mplayer config file to use xv instead of the other option?
[03:49] <robertj> I'm scouring the wiki seeing if there are any well-behaved machines in my pricerange
[03:49] <kong0> i dont know where to do that
[03:49] <vinux> kong0, one second
[03:49] <zyth> that'd be an issue.
[03:49] <zyth> probably in ~/.mplayer/config
[03:49] <zyth> man mplayer
[03:49] <zyth> it will enlighten you.
[03:49] <anto9us> robertj: me too, would be nice if my inspiron 9100 would go to sleep and wake up nicely
[03:50] <kong0> its ten to 4 am here(in sweden)
[03:50] <zyth> anto9us, what's the point of using sleep with notebooks?
[03:50] <zyth> I've never figured that one out.
[03:50] <robertj> I want ACPI support that does both disk and ram and has speed stepping and internal wifi all working without costing a bajillion dollars
[03:50] <vinux> kong0, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer <--- check this out
[03:50] <anto9us> zyth: not having to reboot between home and work
[03:50] <zyth> robertj, sub300.com ?
[03:50] <zyth> anto9us, eh, I guess I'm just innured to boot-times.
[03:50] <rcec52> Anybody using 64 bit Linux software out here with an AMD processor?
[03:50] <ja32768> zyth:  so you never have to boot.  Just close the thing and stick it in your bag.  8 hours later, open it, and presto - right where you left off.
[03:51] <zyth> yeah, never saw the point in that ja32768 ;) it's not like my network connections stay up, so eh
[03:51] <robertj> it works rather well here in OS X
[03:51] <zyth> to each their own I guess
[03:52] <robertj> Xchat does it's thing and I'm back on IRC a second after the lid is open
[03:52] <ja32768> I guess when your OS boots very fast, it doesn't much matter.
[03:52] <zyth> I want an old g3 ibook to try this 'os x' on
[03:52] <robertj> zyth: I've got a 900mhz G3 with 768 megs of ram and its very usable
[03:52] <zyth> ja32768, yeah, that's the thing, usually I plop down the notebook, turn it on, and by the time I've got my ac adapter and mouse plugged in, I'm good to go anyways
[03:53] <zyth> robertj, my problem is cost on ibooks.. even old used ones are wayyy too costly.
[03:53] <robertj> zyth: mac users are tards for the most part
[03:53] <Darkfusion> I have an eMac, I'd love an ibook. I also love OS X
[03:54] <robertj> zyth: Macs that are half the price of minis still go for hundreds more
[03:54] <robertj> Dark: sell it on ebay and see if you can get a Mini
[03:54] <zyth> which is insane ;)
[03:54] <vinux> Are Minis cool?
[03:54] <robertj> Vinux: very, and fast, and cheap, and have standard connectors
[03:54] <robertj> and they are quiet
[03:54] <Darkfusion> Apple is switching to Intel anyway. Can't wait for OS X on cheaper hardware, probably won't happen though
[03:54] <kong0> sry vinux still dont work
[03:54] <vinux> robertj, so even with 256mb ram they are fast?
[03:55] <kong0> as lame bad irritating windoes tempting as b4
[03:55] <zyth> vinux, from what I hear, you'll want 512
[03:55] <kong0> im reallt started to get angry here
[03:55] <zyth> vinux, cause you need 512 to run WoW decently on a Mac Mini ;)
[03:55] <kong0> 'IT SHOULD WORK DOG DMN IT"!!!!
[03:55] <robertj> vinux: umm no, you wanna upgrade that
[03:55] <kong0> ***** ** ***** ***** ************** ********************
[03:55] <rcec52> Any programmer's here?  He's probably a windows lover at heart :)
[03:57] <robertj> I'm highly motivated to learn about Linux because I am reasonably well compensated for it and have a great deal of flexibility in my work schedule
[03:57] <cpayan> i'm having immense amounts of trouble, at least for what i'm doing, trying to install an icon theme... is there somewhere i could go to find out how, i've been searching all over i know where
[03:57] <anto9us> zyth: because he's used to getting things solved by getting angry and swearing at people
[03:57] <rcec52> It's good to learn something new also. . ..
[03:57] <zyth> I am studying for my Linux+ certification, so this is 'educational' ;)
[03:57] <robertj> most people aren't and will never save enough money to make up their lost time
[03:57] <Llanowyn> haha, typical consumer
[03:58] <Quest-Master> rofl @ kong0
[03:58] <vinux> robertj, so 512 ram is good for mini?
[03:58] <zyth> vinux, yep
[03:58] <robertj> vinux: good for most people
[03:58] <Llanowyn> "getting things solved by getting angry and swearing at people"
[03:58] <Octane> when's breezy gonna be out
[03:58] <ja32768> rec52 - what you mean by "app"?
[03:58] <zyth> cpayan, gnome-look.org has some docs on it I think
[03:58] <robitaille> Octane,  October
[03:58] <robertj> I've got a Dual proc G5 with 2 gigs of ram at work so I don't exactly know how it holds up under intensive use
[03:58] <cpayan> ok thanks
[03:58] <rcec52> I hear in October. ..for breezy
[03:58] <Octane> wow
[03:58] <robertj> I lived with a Single G5 600 with 512 for a while and it was tolerable for some things, but not fun by any means
[03:58] <vinux> robertj, mini macs use 64bit right?
[03:58] <robertj> so I knnow the 1.25 Ghz has to be alot better
[03:58] <Octane> so basically if you want a new version of an app, you need to build it yourself, right
[03:58] <robertj> vinux: no, its a G4
[03:59] <Llanowyn> is the update to the newest release an easy one?
[03:59] <zyth> Llanowyn, define 'newest release', you mean warty --> hoary?
[03:59] <vinux> robertj, oh it's the G5 that is right?
[03:59] <robertj> the G5 is only in teh iMac and powermac line
[03:59] <robertj> not the mini, emac, or any of the notebooks
[04:00] <Llanowyn> zyth- ya
[04:00] <zyth> Llanowyn, as far as I know, it's easy, but I haven't done it myself.
[04:00] <Llanowyn> is there an easy way to do that, or would I have to download the install cd again?
[04:00] <robertj> Llanowyn: you can use Synaptic to upgrade
[04:01] <robertj> Llanowyn: but it takes a bit of doing
[04:01] <Darkfusion> apt-get dist-upgrade should work
[04:01] <rcec52> This synaptic or apt-get is really great stuff. . .
[04:01] <pureplayer> can you burn with ubuntu?
[04:01] <jf6> someone can help me?
[04:01] <robertj> The actual part that requires effort is to changing all the references to hoary to either stable or breezy
[04:01] <Darkfusion> yes, I use Gnomebaker to make CDs
[04:01] <rcec52> Yes you can burn ubuntu
[04:01] <Llanowyn> seems easy enough, i'm trying to get as much info as possible before I go around formatting anything
[04:01] <robitaille> Llanowyn,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:01] <CrustyPunk> Hey... any of you Linux-savvy folks able to give me a quick hand in writing a (I'd assume) small and easy shell script?
[04:02] <jf6> WHo can say to me
[04:02] <jf6> if he heard the music
[04:02] <rcec52> Shell script for what?
[04:02] <jf6> on my web site
[04:02] <jf6> with FireFOX
[04:02] <jf6> http://jango6.free.fr
[04:02] <pureplayer> Darkfusion: where can i find that?
[04:03] <CrustyPunk> rcec52: I'm trying to make a script to cd into /usr/bin and run a game using Cadega
[04:03] <pureplayer> where do you find programs for ubuntu?
[04:03] <jf6> So no one can help me??
[04:03] <Darkfusion> pure: I just search for Gnome Baker in Synaptic, don't know if you need universe or multiverse though, I have both
[04:04] <ja32768> jf6:  you could boot the ubuntu live cd, and test it yourself.... or knoppix, or any other of about 100 live linux cds
[04:04] <Darkfusion> Pure: In System > Administration you should have Synaptic Package Manager. Look for new programs, or packages in that
[04:04] <rcec52> Sorry I'm pretty new to this stuff myself. ..best to just ask questions and read up on the subject.
[04:04] <jf6> ja32768, i dont have plugins
[04:05] <Mobius> anyone here use openbox instead of metacity?
[04:05] <CrustyPunk> rcec52: Yeah, I've been looking for tutorials... most are pretty useless as far as I can see
[04:05] <rcec52> Any Astronomy buffs in this group?
[04:05] <jf6> but the navigator
[04:05] <robitaille> jf6,  no music here
[04:05] <jf6> dont finc
[04:05] <jf6> thx robitaille
[04:05] <ja32768> CrustyPunk - have you tried saving the commands you want to run in a text file, and just running that?
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Yeah, that's what I was hoping would work
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> cd /usr/bin/
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ./cedega /media/bigdrivewin/Diablo/diablo.exe
[04:06] <AnObfuscator> hmmm. I need help, and I can't find a relevent support document...
[04:06] <ja32768> that works. Just make it executable with chmod +x yourfilehere
[04:06] <robitaille> jf6,   I thought "bgsound" was a IE html extension..
[04:06] <rcec52> Any digital photography buffs in this group?
[04:06] <jf6> really?
[04:06] <jf6> ok
[04:06] <jf6> i will see
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Really? I chmod'd it and it didn't work
[04:06] <AnObfuscator> I can't get my Airport (old airport, not brodcom version) to work under ubuntu...
[04:07] <Llanowyn> rcec52 - amateur, not really a buff tho :-/
[04:07] <ja32768> CrustyPunk: it may be that the current directory is not in your path.  try running it as ./yourfile
[04:07] <vinux> rcec52, I"m a ubuntu newbie buff! Does that help? :P
[04:07] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Ah, there it goes.
[04:07] <Mobius> nobody here runnin' openbox?
[04:07] <cpayan> zyth i'mnot seeing any docs at gnome-look.org
[04:07] <robitaille> jf6,  http://www.computing.net/webdevel/wwwboard/forum/1010.html
[04:08] <jf6> ??
[04:08] <anto9us> rcec52: I wouldn't call myself a buff in either of those topics but I've known the answers to a few questions on tv quiz shows
[04:08] <foxiness> i want to use ubuntu like gateway to other pc how can i do that ? first one .55 and other one .99 and i put .55 like gateway to ubuntu but not work?
[04:08] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: How would I be able to get it to run by double-clicking it and hitting the "run" button? As it stands now, I have to ./file in the console
[04:08] <cpayan> and the only docs at gnome are developer docs... not quite in the mood to make my own
[04:08] <cpayan> icons
[04:08] <rcec52> I was just thinking about the Linux software aspect to these two topics, 'Photography and Astronomy'
[04:08] <vinux> Mobius, I tried openbox but man there was too much configuring in it with little support
[04:09] <anto9us> rcec52: both are covered pretty well I think
[04:09] <Mobius> I agree vinux, but I am looking for something that is notably faster for my brand new notebook
[04:09] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  Hm, I'm sure there's an easy way: right click a panel, use add to panel, custom application launcher...  maybe that works for you?
[04:09] <vinux> Mobius, fluxbox is good
[04:09] <rcec52> Anyone try 'Openunivere, Celestia, Skycharts on their systems?
[04:09] <vinux> Mobius, Xfce4 is too
[04:09] <anto9us> rcec52: I've played with celestia, very pretty :)
[04:10] <Mobius> which do you reccomend vinux?
[04:10] <Mobius> both?
[04:10] <vinux> Mobius, well if you aren't into reading alot to configure stuff try Xfce4
[04:10] <rcec52> Celestia is pretty good. Sky Charts is very intense and it is getting better especially for amateur astronomers. . .
[04:10] <foxiness> is there source to read about gateway on ubuntu ?
[04:11] <rcec52> Anyone try Hugin? (for Digital Panorama Photography?)
[04:11] <Mobius> I will try it out vinux, thanks.
[04:12] <kikkoman> how do i install kubuntu?
[04:12] <vinux> Mobius, np I like it
[04:12] <cpayan> i'm having immense amounts of trouble, at least for what i'm doing, trying to install an icon theme... is there somewhere i could go to find out how, i've been searching all over i know where
[04:12] <rcec52> Burn the Kubuntu Iso into a bootable disk install from Cdrom . .. pretty easy. . .
[04:12] <vinux> Mobius, works good. Doesn't take up alot of resources
[04:12] <cpayan> since zyth doesn't seem to be here, i'll get a second opinion plz?
[04:13] <kikkoman> oh you can just use "apt-get" to get kubuntu?
[04:13] <Mobius> I am just looking to keep my notebook snappy vinux - I've read that the *box stuff is faster, so I was just looking around
[04:14] <rcec52> It would be easier I think to use Synaptic instead of Apt-get to download and install Kubuntu.  ..
[04:14] <Darkfusion> don't you just have do get kubuntu-desktop?
[04:14] <vinux> Mobius, yea openbox is this fastests I've seen but man, trying to configure the menu is hell
[04:14] <Darkfusion> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <anto9us> cpayan: have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fTutorials_2fIconThemes ?
[04:14] <vinux> Mobius, you have to learn a language to do it
[04:14] <rcec52> It's that easy?
[04:15] <Mobius> and I wasnt too impressed with the themes vinux
[04:15] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Where would I need to put the script files so I'd be able to run them from any directory, without being in their specific one?
[04:15] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  /usr/local/bin is probably the best place
[04:15] <cpayan> yea anto9us i have... it's about creating icon themes...
[04:15] <ja32768> it should be in your path:  echo $PATH
[04:15] <CrustyPunk> Ah, I just had them in /bin
[04:15] <cpayan> i just want to install one
[04:15] <vinux> Mobius, yea I would just go with Xfce4
[04:16] <anto9us> cpayan: what about http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q4 ?
[04:16] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  that would work, but it's bad form :)
[04:16] <vinux> Mobius, it's fast
[04:16] <cpayan> ah
[04:16] <cpayan> no sir, i didn't
[04:16] <cpayan> thank you
[04:16] <anto9us> :)
[04:17] <vinux> Mobius, I use gnome myself now
[04:17] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Thanks for your help. =)
[04:18] <ja32768> yep!
[04:18] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: I feel as though I gained 10-20 1337 points
[04:18] <Darkfusion> so are updated kernels available from ubuntu? 2.6.12 came out a few days ago, and I don't see it or any other 2.6 kernels available
[04:18] <kikkoman> how do i get my ati radeon 9700 pro mobility to work?
[04:18] <bob2> kikkoman: it doesn't Just Work?
[04:18] <vinux> Darkfusion, do you know the details of these updates? Should I worry?
[04:18] <bob2> Darkfusion: not in stable versions
[04:19] <kikkoman> it works but some screensavers are choppy i can't even play tux racer o_O
[04:20] <Darkfusion> vinux, info about 2.6.12 is here
[04:20] <Darkfusion> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5308
[04:20] <bob2> kikkoman: so, you want the binary drivers
[04:20] <we2by> any mp3 player for console  that support play list?
[04:20] <anto9us> kikkoman: you could install fglrx drivers but it broke acpi suspend on my inspiron 9100
[04:20] <vinux> Darkfusion, thanks
[04:20] <bob2> kikkoman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <bob2> we2by: cplay
[04:20] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Oi, I'm having another problem, but this time I know what it is.
[04:20] <bob2> vinux: Darkfusion note that any security fixes in that will already (or soon) be in the 2.6.10 kernel in hoary
[04:20] <ja32768> What's it not doing?
[04:20] <kikkoman> bob2: thanks
[04:21] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: I can't run the scripts, because they point to where the game I'm trying to run is... on a NTFS partition that only root has access to. And I can't chown because it's a read-only drive.
[04:22] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  Hm, you want different mount options.  Lemme go check man mount
[04:22] <bob2> ja32768: defaults,umount=002
[04:23] <vinux> bob2, oh ok
[04:23] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  you want the option umask=022 or some such probably in your /etc/fstab
[04:23] <ja32768> for your ntfs partition
[04:23] <CrustyPunk> Gotcha, thanks.
[04:24] <ja32768> Or maybe uid=(your user number), you could try that if the umask thing doesn't work
[04:24] <bob2> CrustyPunk: defaults,umask=002 is what you want
[04:24] <cthulfuego> bob2: goo'boy
[04:25] <bob2> hey, I can learn
[04:26] <CrustyPunk> /dev/hdb5       /media/bigdrivewin ntfs    defaults,umask=002 0       1 <--Like such in the fstab?
[04:26] <bob2> yes
[04:26] <vinux> I'll be back later guys
[04:27] <ja32768> bob2:  not having ntfs, I don't know this - does ubuntu mount it read/write?
[04:28] <hondje> Evenin'.  I'm getting my brother all ubuntufied, but 'someone' forgot to plug in the network cable to eth0, resulting in no automagical dhcp configuration.  Is there a voodoo script to make this all work out well?
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> ja32768: no.
[04:28] <bob2> ja32768: no
[04:28] <anto9us> hondje: sudo dhclient eth0
[04:28] <bob2> ja32768: linux can't (safely) write to ntfs without using captive-ntfs
[04:29] <bob2> hondje: or sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0
[04:29] <ja32768> Bob2 & HrdwrBob:  thanks; I though maybe I was missing something ;)
[04:29] <hondje> thanks, guys :)
[04:29] <bob2> (I'd recommend the latter, the former might end up with two copies of dhclient running, which is BAD)
[04:29] <nalioth_wrkn> bob2 so captive ntfs is safe for writing?
[04:29] <TokenBad> is there a way to monitor a ftp that is set up on ubuntu?
[04:29] <bob2> nalioth_wrkn: if "loading windows drivers into the kernel" is considered safe
[04:29] <bob2> TokenBad: monitor how?
[04:29] <hondje> bob2: that'll persist across reboots?
[04:29] <TokenBad> like see the bandwidth
[04:29] <nalioth> bob2 touche
[04:30] <TokenBad> whos uploading
[04:30] <TokenBad> whos downloading