[00:08] <DanaG> tetsuo----: say, do you happen to have a high-dpi screen?
[00:08] <DanaG> For example, 15.4" 1920x1200 is high DPI.
[00:09] <penguin42> isn't it normal to define fonts by actual size to avoid that?
[00:09] <DanaG> It's a "feature"... it makes your screen bigger.
[00:09] <DanaG> Or so Xorg claims.
[00:09] <DanaG> It claims my screen is 20 inches.
[00:09] <DanaG> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23705
[00:09] <DanaG> heh, "makes your screen bigger".
[00:10] <DanaG> And with correct DPI, the default font size of 10 is huge.  I use 9 or 8.5... but things tend to complain about non-integer font sizes.
[00:10] <penguin42> DanaG: One of the problems is that with multiple displays having a single DPI is almost always wrong
[00:11] <DanaG> Yeah, but it seems safe to me to err on the side of the higher DPI.
[00:11] <DanaG> As it is right now, I had to add a script to run in Xsession.d: xrandr --dpi 147
[00:14] <DanaG> Aaaugh, mein eyes!
[00:14] <penguin42> I can see the bigger problem might be that what you thought was the right size of a piece of paper isn't any more
[00:14] <DanaG> And lying about the DPI means that 100% zoom in Gimp has no relationship to reality.
[00:15] <DanaG> Yeah.
[00:15] <DanaG> Same for OpenOffice.
[00:15] <DanaG> And Inkscape.
[00:15] <penguin42> well, I'm not sure 100% zoom in gimp ever did, but yes in OOo and inkscape
[00:15] <DanaG> Gimp has two options for 100%: physical size, or pixels.
[00:15] <penguin42> yeh but what's physical size on a photo?
[00:16] <penguin42> does jpg or similar have a size?
[00:16] <DanaG> Physical size on a photo depends on what DPI the photo claims.
[00:16] <DanaG> And actually, the correct unit for displays is Pixels, not Dots, per inch.
[00:16] <DanaG> I always use DPI, anyway.
[00:16] <penguin42> yeh that's what I'd have expected
[00:16] <duffydack> I recently encountered similar problem wanting to print some 4x6 photos.. I ended up using shotwell.. it did what everything else couldnt..
[00:17]  * penguin42 would like monitor management in general to be better; for example it really shouldn't assume when you hot plug a monitor that it's always on the right
[00:18] <DanaG> Fun with xrandr: freeform transforms.  Rotate the whole desktop by 30 degrees.
[00:18] <penguin42> DanaG: Or your colleagues by 2 or 3 degrees
[00:23] <DanaG> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 1663x2000)
[00:27] <penguin42> 1663 ?
[00:31] <tacomaster> hello :P is anyone any good at iptables?
[00:31] <penguin42> I can do bits; what's the problem?
[00:32] <tacomaster> well i want to "iptables -I INPUT -p icmp -j DROP " but want to know how to undo it if it makes some program not work
[00:33] <BUGabundo> tacomaster: ufw :P
[00:33] <penguin42> iptables -D
[00:33] <BUGabundo> or even better : GUFW
[00:33] <penguin42> tacomaster: I think iptables -D INPUT -p icmp -j DROP    should
[00:34] <penguin42> tacomaster: Having said that, dropping all icmp is bad - icmp is not just ping
[00:34] <tacomaster> icmp is traceroute and alot of other things
[00:34] <tacomaster> 3rd protocol in the transport layer :P
[00:35] <penguin42> tacomaster: Yeh but my point is it's used by normal thingsl ike mtu discovery I think and that can break normal apps
[00:35] <penguin42> tacomaster: Soemthing like --icmp-type echo-request   would be more selective I think
[00:36] <tacomaster> i just dont like the though of being able to be ping or tracerouted
[00:37] <penguin42> I'd certainly make sure the stuff for mtu discovery can get through, it gives weird problems if that goes wrong
[00:39] <tacomaster> sorry to bug yall with this i have be running penetration software all day trying to tie down my home network and my pix firewall but i felt like since my laptop leaves my home network that i wanted to do that
[00:40] <penguin42> yeh I always like to put a firewall on; but something like ufw does a good job and someone else has thought of a lot fo the corner cases
[00:41] <BUGabundo> what's this day and age sun-java6-jdk package?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> its not in Partner
[00:42] <tacomaster> like i have blocked all incomming telnet and ssh so my routers config i dont have to worry about :P
[00:46] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:47] <penguin42> tacomaster: It's too easy to accidentally install something that listens, so I always prefer having a firewall
[00:48] <tacomaster> i do have a firewall one on every computer (software) and a hardware (pix)
[00:49] <Tetsuo55> how do i enable the flash plugin in chromium ?
[00:49] <penguin42> Tetsuo55: 32 or 64bit?
[00:50] <Tetsuo55> 64
[00:50] <penguin42> apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[00:51] <Tetsuo55> can't i use the one that comes with chromium? or was it stripped out for ubuntu?
[00:52] <penguin42> oh, I don't know to be honest, I never realised one was included
[00:52] <Tetsuo55> when you use chrome to go to flashinstall page, it will tell you to enable the built in one and block the download
[00:55] <yofel> note: chrome != chromium
[00:56] <yofel> but I didn't know either that chrome had a built in one..
[00:57] <Daekdroom> Chromium is chrome without all the proprietary bullshit
[00:57] <Daekdroom> Oops. Gotta watch my language.
[00:57] <Daekdroom> Anyway, the proprietary stuff should include Flash, why not?
[00:58]  * penguin42 wouldn't be surprised if it's a 64bit ism since Flash for 64bit isn't around
[00:58] <Tetsuo55> http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/bringing-improved-support-for-adobe.html
[00:58] <Tetsuo55> how can i enable the alternate gnome desktop?
[01:02] <tacomaster> wait was someone trying to get flash working on 64bit?
[01:02] <penguin42> tacomaster: Tetsuo55 is in chrome and was wondering about chromes inbuilt flash support
[01:03] <tacomaster> nspluginwrapper is required for 64bit i know that much
[01:05] <penguin42> tacomaster: Yeh, although flashplugin-installer does all that for you
[01:05] <tacomaster> i had to install nspluginwrapper my self because i installed adobeflash and it didnt come with it
[01:12] <yofel> there was a 64bit flash alpha, but adobe dumped it afaik :(
[01:14] <penguin42> indeed, it actually worked as well
[01:14] <Tetsuo55> put display to sleep when inactive << does this option only black out the screen or does it actually shut it down completely like windows's display off screensaver?
[01:19] <Tetsuo55> something is wrong with battery charing, time to full is increasing instead of decreasing
[01:21] <charlie-tca> Tetsuo55: AFAIR, sleep puts the monitor in standby
[01:22] <Tetsuo55> charlie-tca: i tested it with 1 min delay and it does indead go into standby
[01:28] <coz_> hey guys.. is it safe to assume that when maverick is released there will also be a minimal install cd??
[01:28] <coz_> yes?
[01:30] <charlie-tca> coz_: Does Ubuntu offer a minimal install cd now?
[01:31] <coz_> charlie-tca,  yes it does
[01:31] <charlie-tca> Then I would think it will continue
[01:31] <coz_> charlie-tca,  well I wanted to make sure
[01:31] <charlie-tca> I did not know we had one
[01:31] <coz_> at this point of course  none show up on any download site
[01:32] <coz_> charlie-tca,  oh year I prefer the minimal install
[01:32] <coz_> yeah not year
[01:32] <yofel> !minimal
[01:36] <Tetsuo55> crash files are auto attached to bugs that already exist too?
[01:43] <yofel> Tetsuo55: no, but usually you can just file a new one, the retracer will auto-duplicate your bug if it's already reported
[01:50] <mikedep333> coz_, I think the desktop cd lets you do a network install like the minimal does
[01:50] <coz_> mikedep333,  ahh   that would be nice also :)
[01:51] <coz_> mikedep333,  I am downloading it now so i will take a look
[01:51] <mikedep333> coz_, look at the options when at the bootloader
[01:51] <mikedep333> I think you need to press a button or something for it to come up.
[01:51] <coz_> mikedep333,  yep I will...it would be a nice feature
[01:51] <coz_> but
[01:52] <coz_> mikedep333,  the actual minimal install cd is less to download therefore fewer chances of corrupted downoad
[01:52] <coz_> which seems to be the advantage I see
[01:52] <coz_> particularly for those with slower connections
[01:58] <mikedep333> coz_, sorry, I just checked and you can't do a minimal/network install with the live disc (10.10 beta)
[01:58] <coz_> mikedep333,  ah ok no biggie... :)
[01:58] <coz_> mikedep333,  I just want to turn the live cd for now... later try it out
[04:47] <DanaG> Say, why doesn't rhythmbox let me try to play a CD?
[04:52] <PresuntoRJ> DanaG: good question... do you have an error message for that?
[04:52] <DanaG> Or rather, it gives me no visible UI elements to play a CD.
[04:53] <DanaG> And nothing in plugins for CD reading.
[04:55] <lapion> anyone have any experience in making a multi distrob usb stick ?
[04:55] <lapion> *distro
[05:01] <DanaG> argh, unity segfaults after initializing EGL.
[06:00] <DanaG> argh, my unity hangs.
[06:00] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/jQXii7kf
[06:00] <DanaG> Solid white.
[07:03] <bullgard4_>  'man kdebugdialog': "No manual entry for kdebugdialog." Where can I find a manual or program description of kdebugdialog?
[07:05] <SwedeMike> google?
[07:06] <bullgard4_> SwedeMike: Please read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and act accordingly.
[07:08] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: I have already read it. I didn't tell you to "google it".
[07:09] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: would you say that one should take for granted that someone has TRIED to google it before answering? or is google just off limits as a suggestion and I should never mention it?
[07:09] <SwedeMike> because then it's meaningless that I try to suggest something I found off of google, as well.
[07:11] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: so please entertain me, did you google for "kdebugdialog" and "I feel lucky" that didn't satisfy you? I'm not jerking you around, I want to know.
[07:14] <bullgard4_> SwedeMike: Once for all: I did google for kdebugdialog before I posted here. --  I am not here to entertain you.
[07:15] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: guess figure of speech doesn't work either.
[07:16] <SwedeMike> so http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/kdebugdialog/kdebugdialog.pdf isn't the kind of "program description" you were looking for?
[07:17] <SwedeMike> so what kind of program description is it you're looking for?
[07:20] <bullgard4_> SwedeMike: Thank you very much for providing me this link. This article is a kind of a program description which I was looking for.
[07:20] <bullgard4_> SwedeMike: Thank you again.
[07:21] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: oki, still. I'm not jerking you around, I want to understand. When I googled for "kdebugdialog" this was the first hit. What did you google for?
[07:23] <bullgard4_> I did google for /usr/lib/kdebugdialog
[07:24] <bullgard4_> err! I did google for /usr/bin/kdebugdialog
[07:24] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: thanks.
[07:25] <SwedeMike> hm, interesting how google seems to treat / as a whitespace.
[07:27] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: would you have been less offended if I answered your initial question with "When I googled for <kdebugdialog> I found <http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/kdebugdialog/kdebugdialog.pdf>, is this not what you're looking for?" I've been hit with the "don't tell people to 'google it'" even when I did that.
[07:34] <bullgard4_> SwedeMike: Of course I would have been less offended if you told me: ""When I googled for <kdebugdialog> I found <http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/kdebugdialog/kdebugdialog.pdf>"
[07:35] <SwedeMike> bullgard4_: goodie. Then I'll use that next time. Thank you.
[07:35] <SwedeMike> googling for that just seems so obvious for me, I could imagine someone being offended by that as well.
[08:20] <DanaG> argh, stupid Unity.
[08:20] <DanaG> It hangs showing me min,max,close buttons for Desktop, and not much else.
[08:21] <DanaG> Can't open the menu, and can't use any of the indicators.
[08:21] <DanaG> It's 100% useless.
[08:29] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/jQXii7kf
[08:34] <Acidphase> hello
[08:34] <Acidphase> maybe someone can give me a hand here
[08:34] <Acidphase> I'm currently in the shell after installing the new ati drivers
[08:34] <Acidphase> and I have no x
[08:34] <Acidphase> I'm in here chatting via sirc
[08:35] <Acidphase> any takers?
[08:36] <Acidphase> it's basically saying it can't find the drivers fglrxdrv.o
[08:37] <Acidphase> fglrx_drv.so to be precise
[08:38] <guest123> Hi, i've a strange behaviour when i connect to Gnome via VNC.(Ubuntu 10.10, x11vnc or tightvncserver). The gnome-sessions starts, all seems to be working, but i press a key in e.g. gedit or terminal the windows closes.
[08:40] <julian-> Can anyone tell me if 10.10 improves power management vs. 10.04? I'm putting a media box together (an Atom + ION one) and am trying to decide if I should use Ubuntu as the base OS for a XBMC install, or whether it'd be better to just buy a Windows 7 license.
[08:49] <DanaG> I'd say, if you want to do digital cable, at least, Win7 is literally the only way to go.  No CableCard in Linux.
[08:50] <DanaG> Damn CableLabs.
[08:54] <julian-> DanaG: No cable or tuner
[09:27] <robin0800> samba appears to be broken worked on beta but an update has broken this note there have been no samba updates so its not this?
[09:27] <vega_> say what..
[09:28] <vega_> ever thought of using these characters: . and , ?
[09:42] <spike__> hey
[09:44] <spike__> when does ubuntu 10.10 final come out
[09:44] <Ian_corne> 10/10
[09:45] <spike__> ok cuz i thought i heard 10/27 and wanted to make sure
[09:47] <spike__> is the 10.10 that is out rite now good to use or just stay with 10.04 until th ubuntu 10.10 final comes out
[09:48] <SwedeMike> spike__: there is no good answer to that. it might be, it might not. Depnds on a lot of factors.
[09:49] <SwedeMike> only way to know is to try.
[09:50] <Ian_corne> spike__: it's not to be used as a stable OS yet.
[09:53] <Tetsuo55> battery management is definately broken, my battery doesnt get a full charge
[10:16] <spike__> oh
[11:10] <Gigacore> hey guys, I am not able to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10 beta.. I am getting an error "Could not calculate the upgrade"
[11:10] <gnomefreak> Gigacore: run the command update-manager -d
[11:11] <Gigacore> and it says "And unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"
[11:11] <Gigacore> hmm
[11:12] <gnomefreak> running the cammand about it should held back broken packages. most of them are likley from 3rd party repos
[11:12] <gnomefreak> you may also need to reload when update-manager shows up to correct packages
[11:13] <Gigacore> oh.. and I don't want to make network-upgrade. I've got image of alternate CD and got it mounted
[11:14] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[11:14] <gnomefreak> see those links for a nonnet upgrade
[11:14] <Gigacore> ok
[11:14] <gnomefreak> it could be the cd is bad for i know
[11:15] <gnomefreak> cant recall if you can use teh alt. image
[11:15] <gnomefreak> one or the other you cant use
[11:15] <Gigacore> I haven't burnt it on to a CD, just mounted it
[11:16] <gnomefreak> than you owuld need to comment out all repos excpt the cd ones at the top and uncomment ths the cd repos
[11:16] <Gigacore> is there any way to ignore held packages?
[11:16] <gnomefreak> yes but i reallly wounted but the links about should help you
[11:17] <Gigacore> yea.. going through them. thanks
[11:17] <gnomefreak> if i have time to download the cd than i have enough time to wait for the upgrade. if you have the cd. i say back everything up and do a clean intall
[11:21] <gnomefreak> Gigacore: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades  << best link
[12:25] <lukus> hi
[12:26] <penguin42> hi
[12:40] <larsivi> do anyone have issues with the fan control? I just upgrade from 10.04 on my Dell Studio XPS
[12:41] <Abhijeet> kernel deleted accidently, how can i copy the packages from the damaged system using live cd or fresh innstallation please help me.
[12:42] <void^_> chroot & reinstall kernel package
[12:45] <Abhijeet> i tried but the dpkg process not ended it installed the linux-source but the linux kernel image , intrmd(not correct about spelling) how can i force to innstall the linux kernel
[13:01] <votan> is the Unity Interface on the new UNR slower than the old interface ?
[13:17] <killer999> i am getting a 'ubuntu desktop system' update for last 10 days but I cant' install it. The checkbox is not clickable. how to solve this
[13:43] <sevenseeker> howdy, is there a known issue in 10.10 with dhcp timing out and not receiving an answer?  (worked before and works on other comps and this one in windows7)
[13:49] <penguin42> sevenseeker: I hang out on here quite a lot and not seen anyone else with that
[13:51] <sevenseeker> penguin42, ok, I will keep playing a bit... my interfaces are up and no dmesg messages regarding them or networking, but just dhcp times out all the time (I upgraded last night)
[14:03] <lukus> hey
[14:03] <lukus> how are you guys finding maverick?
[14:03] <tarzeau> it's just there?
[14:03] <Pici> I found it on my laptop
[14:03] <tarzeau> it's nice, but some software is very old :(
[14:03] <yofel> ^^
[14:04] <lukus> heheh
[14:04] <lukus> tarzeau, shouldn't the software be newer than lucid?
[14:04] <tarzeau> the installer sucks though, crashed when i wanted xfs instead of ext4
[14:04] <tarzeau> lukus: it is, but still too old for what i need: gimp-plugin-registry, gphoto2...
[14:04] <tarzeau> are heavily outdated
[14:04] <tarzeau> so is gnustep*
[14:04] <lukus> tarzeau, you can always install manually though
[14:05] <yofel> tarzeau: did you report that? I think I had that too ages ago and it was thanks to xfsprogs not installed on the live disk back then
[14:05] <tarzeau> lukus: manually? you mean make the updated packages and install those? sure that's what i do
[14:05] <tarzeau> yofel: of course
[14:05] <lukus> is ext4 ready for primetime yet?
[14:05] <tarzeau> yofel: oh not the xfs installer thing, where would i report that?
[14:06] <tarzeau> i don't want ext4, or ext3, or ext2
[14:06] <tarzeau> yofel: if you give me the launchpad.net link, i'll report it
[14:06] <lukus> last time i read about ext4, i heard it had problems
[14:06] <tarzeau> yofel: i installed around monday or so
[14:06] <Tetsuo55> isnt ubuntu software always old
[14:06] <tarzeau> Tetsuo55: no
[14:06] <Pici> gphoto2 in maverick matches the debian unstable version.
[14:06] <tarzeau> oh but inkscape is old too
[14:06] <Tetsuo55> its policy to be ver strict about updates isnt it
[14:06] <tarzeau> Pici: which is old too - i'm also trying to get it updated there
[14:07] <lukus> i guess it's always a compromise
[14:07] <tarzeau> Pici: actually only there. since ubuntu just syncs it
[14:07] <lukus> between stable-ness and new-ness
[14:07] <Pici> tarzeau: So its not really an Ubuntu problem then.
[14:07] <Tetsuo55> lukus:  yep
[14:07] <tarzeau> lukus: not for me. i NEED the latest. or i can sell my dslr, and get one which is 3 years older
[14:07] <yofel> tarzeau: as the installer failed, probably best to report it against ubiquity, and try to do it by calling 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' from the live disk after reproducing the failure, the folks in #ubuntu-installer might know more
[14:07] <tarzeau> Pici: of course it is
[14:07] <tarzeau> Pici: for gimp-plugin-registry and inkscape. it sure is
[14:07] <Pici> tarzeau: not only then.
[14:07] <Tetsuo55> ive had many crashes already since installing yesterday
[14:07] <tarzeau> Pici: and it's not like hard to upgrade the gphoto stuff
[14:08] <Tetsuo55> segfaults
[14:08] <lukus> segfaults in which programs Tetsuo55 ?
[14:08] <tarzeau> can you sync sid packages into maverick?
[14:09] <Tetsuo55> lukus: help among others, i reported 2 bugs with the automated tool
[14:09] <penguin42> tarzeau: It's a bit messy to automate it, but if you grab the .deb's you have a fair chance of installing them
[14:09] <tarzeau> penguin42: i know. but that sucks if you need to do it for like 200 computers
[14:09] <Tetsuo55> the others i didnt report, i didnt realise i could use my SF account to log into launchpad
[14:09] <lukus> yeah, at least the reporting is straightforward
[14:09] <tarzeau> penguin42: it's better if ubuntu would just pick the versions, so everyone can profit?
[14:09] <penguin42> tarzeau: Ah right, erm if you had to do that what you could do is set up a mini little repo with just the newer packages in it
[14:10] <tarzeau> penguin42: i already have that
[14:10] <Tetsuo55> so like 10 where not reported, one of my crashes was unique though, none like it where found by the tool
[14:10] <tarzeau> penguin42: but still all this extra effort sucks. as i'm sure there's others doing the same
[14:10] <tarzeau> penguin42: besides that "mini" repo isn't THAT mini anymore...
[14:10] <tarzeau> penguin42: i've been doing that for 5 years now
[14:10] <penguin42> tarzeau: Yeh, I guess they have to pick a cut off point for each release; it's an interesting trade off - I've considered switching back to sid but there again I'd get some stuff that's older in sid
[14:11] <Tetsuo55> i only use chromium, emphaty, kubuntu and update manager, so all crashes are related either to those or standard loaded services
[14:11] <Tetsuo55> kubuntu=konversation
[14:11] <tarzeau> penguin42: i do use sid, mainly, with some packages hand made
[14:11] <tarzeau> penguin42: the ubuntu wokstations i have are only left at work
[14:11] <penguin42> tarzeau: Nod
[14:12] <tarzeau> i hope upgrading is more fluent from lucid to maverick
[14:12] <tarzeau> and that not much changed for the preseed network boot installer
[14:12] <Tetsuo55> does anyone know if works is being done to improve video playback? e.g. making sure that video paints and audio sample sends are done on time to prevent jitter/judder
[14:12] <tarzeau> Tetsuo55: with which software?
[14:13] <Tetsuo55> it doesnt really matter, but im going to assume the default player
[14:13] <tarzeau> mplayer just works fine for me
[14:13] <tarzeau> however flash player sucks badly indeed, and the default player? that gnome wreck which can't play a thing?
[14:13] <tarzeau> omg, anyone uses it?
[14:13] <Tetsuo55> ubuntu includes it so i guess they expect that
[14:14] <tarzeau> they also include f-spot and now that other thing
[14:14] <tarzeau> i've tried the new thing, and it just locked up when moving the sliders
[14:14] <yofel> not sure, I do get skips in audio when I use some desktop effects in KDE, but even HD videos play usually fine with vdpau in smplayer
[14:14] <Tetsuo55> i dont play media on linux at all due to the sub-optimal ability of linux to deal with it
[14:14] <tarzeau> so, i'll stick to the gimp
[14:15] <tarzeau> i'm using ufs with debian gnu/kfreebsd, that's nice too
[14:15] <Tetsuo55> i'm not a typical user though, i work on a video player software as a manager, so i have extra high expectations
[14:15] <tarzeau> can't wait to get a working live-helper for it.
[14:15] <tarzeau> binaries and memory footprint is remarkably smaller compared to linux
[14:16] <tarzeau> Tetsuo55: and you bundle ubuntu with a product of you?
[14:16] <Tetsuo55> on windows the kernel and i/o give video and audio stuff a higher priority than the rest, to ensure timing is accurate-is
[14:16] <Tetsuo55> no i don't
[14:16] <Tetsuo55> its a windows product
[14:17] <Volkodav> is xorg's CPU high usage fixed ? mine has been in 100' for last 3 days
[14:17] <Tetsuo55> serious video playback on linux is not yet possible (but i'll switch they second thats fixed)
[14:17] <tarzeau> i wish they'd switch to chromium-browser as default, instead of firefox
[14:17] <tarzeau> Volkodav: which video driver?
[14:17] <Tetsuo55> tarzeau: amen to that
[14:17] <tarzeau> Tetsuo55: i'm fine with the playback. dunno what hardware/video drivers you use...
[14:18] <Tetsuo55> its not as bad now as say 5 years ago
[14:18] <tarzeau> i also was happy with mplayer 5 years ago
[14:19] <Tetsuo55> but if one is very sensative to things like judder then its a pain to watch any video on linux
[14:19] <tarzeau> i never noticed judder
[14:19] <tarzeau> neither in audio, nor in video
[14:19] <Tetsuo55> keep it that way!
[14:19] <Tetsuo55> i curse the man who taught me about judder :(
[14:19] <Volkodav> nvidia
[14:19] <tarzeau> Volkodav: nvidia as in the binary driver, which version? which hardware?
[14:20] <tarzeau> Volkodav: or nv or nouveau?
[14:20] <Tetsuo55> its very difficult to unlearn seeing judder
[14:20] <Volkodav> binary latest 256.56 I think
[14:21] <yofel> Volkodav: mind to see it 260.19.04 from the x-updates ppa helps?
[14:21] <tarzeau> Volkodav: you need/want the nvidia driver for 3d stuff like sauerbraten? or multiple monitors?
[14:21]  * yofel notes that nouveau can do 3D too with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[14:21] <Volkodav> I have dual head yes
[14:22] <yofel> but it's too unstable for my taste in general
[14:22] <Tetsuo55> tarzeau: anyway just saying stuff doesnt help, in time my team will come up with scientifically accurate tests, those tests will be platform independent so we can benchmark linux's video playback abilities in a comparative manner to windows
[14:22] <Volkodav> but no 3d
[14:22] <tarzeau> Volkodav: have you tried with nouveau? not sure if it supporst dualhead
[14:23] <Volkodav> yofel - I will try that driver 260.xx
[14:23] <Volkodav> tarzeau: i do not think it does
[14:35] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i to the 6-channel speaker-test.
[14:42] <zniavre> yofel,  good evening , can you run compiz with nouveau and ligl experimental ? mine make something strange when switching to compiz
[14:42] <zniavre> ?
[14:42] <zniavre> libgl*
[14:44] <yofel> zniavre: I'm using KDE, some effects didn't enable but those that did worked fine, it just seemed somehow slow
[14:44] <zniavre> ok
[14:58] <shadeslayer> hmm...apparently my friend cant seem to install software on his maverick install
[14:58] <shadeslayer> he was behind a proxy in college and removed it after going home
[14:59] <shadeslayer> his internet works fine, but software center says Check your Internet connection
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ideas?
[15:01] <charlie-tca> can he install from the terminal?
[15:02] <charlie-tca> run sudo apt-get update
[15:02] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: hes new to ubuntu, ill have to guide him how to do that... lets see
[15:02] <charlie-tca> then try to install
[15:10] <Volkodav> yofel: x-updates package has the same xorg usage 90-100
[15:10] <yofel> :/
[15:11] <Volkodav> I think it is xorg to blame since I tried different kernels/diff drivers
[15:11] <yofel> nvidia works mostly fine here, I get 100% CPU with xorg only when LP pages are being rendered in firefox
[15:11] <yofel> and only for 1-3 seconds usually
[15:12] <Volkodav> well mine steady high no matter what I do compiz on or off
[15:17] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: haha.. hes using the terminal for the first time, so he said : I cant type anything when it asks for the password :P
[15:17] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:18] <shadeslayer> and i went.. hows that possible?? ... and then i realized what he meant
[15:18] <charlie-tca> lol
[15:29] <Tetsuo55> oki got a new crash
[15:29] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: apt-get update works
[15:30] <shadeslayer> what could be next ?
[15:30] <Tetsuo55> " mission control-5
[15:30] <charlie-tca> install using sudo apt-get install ???
[15:30] <charlie-tca> ??? being the application
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Then report a bug using ubuntu-bug software-center
[15:31] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: but how is this possible? it installs fine when on college proxy, direct connection doesnt seem to work :(
[15:32] <shadeslayer> and id rather not tell him to use command line.. hes new
[15:32] <shadeslayer> maybe its fixed in a update.. hmm
[15:32] <charlie-tca> I don't know. but if the connection is working from the terminal, it must be a bug in software center itself
[15:33] <Tetsuo55> when i choose an existing bug, does it still attach my crash dump?
[15:33] <Tetsuo55> i selected this one from the gui https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/601746
[15:34] <charlie-tca> it just tags it with "me too", I think
[15:35] <Tetsuo55> is that helpfull? i actually want to crashlogs when dealing with a bug
[15:35] <charlie-tca> shadeslayer: I wonder if the college had it's own repository for the app he wants to install?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: no.. im pretty sure of that
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Tetsuo55: It just lets us know more than one person is affected by the bug
[15:37] <Tetsuo55> so what is prefereable, fresh ticket or " affects me too"  in terms of getting it fixed quicker
[15:38] <charlie-tca> To attach your crashlogs, you could use apport-collect 601746 , and then you have to verify you really want to attach them to that bug, which is not yours. You also have to subscribe to the bug first.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> I like the fresh ticket or duplicate bug, it is more obvious that it is really an issue, rather than that you want to see the bug fixed (thus, affects me)
[15:40] <Tetsuo55> ok
[15:40] <Tetsuo55> ill opt for fresh bug then
[15:40] <Tetsuo55> winqual also treats every crash as a fresh bug
[15:40] <charlie-tca> a single reporter that does not give enough information and a thousand "affects me" does not give that information
[15:41] <Tetsuo55> that was my thingking too
[15:41] <Tetsuo55> thinking*
[15:43] <Tetsuo55> how can i disable bluetooth? i dont use it so its just wasting battery
[15:44] <Volkodav> yofel - it looks like on 2.6.36-020636rc3-generic with NVIDIA Driver Version:260.19.04 and without compiz the xorg CPU usage is back to normal
[15:44] <yofel> interesting setup...
[15:44] <charlie-tca> I'm on xubuntu, it is different. There is something in System -> that lets you disable different apps
[15:45] <Volkodav> but funny part the stock kernel does not load NVIDIA anymore lol
[15:45] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  did you check under system/preference/startup applications?
[15:45] <Volkodav> fails to load the kernel and errors no screen found
[15:45] <coz_> ah oh nvidia issues?  I was just about to install maverick :)
[15:45] <Volkodav> I still think it is xorg issue and not nvidia
[15:45] <Tetsuo55> coz_:  i see the manager there, but will shutting it down turn off bluetooth?
[15:46] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  it should stop it from starting up yes
[15:46] <charlie-tca> It will stop it when you restart the computer, it won't just shut down
[15:46] <Tetsuo55> ok
[15:46] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  I dont know if sys-rc-conf is still avaialable in maverick repos but you could also use that  ...although last time I tired it it ran during start up itself
[15:47] <Tetsuo55> i will see what happens on next reboot
[15:51] <Tetsuo55> it did not work
[15:51] <Tetsuo55> the icon is gone from the taskbar, but bluetooth is still on
[15:57] <Tetsuo55> the old workarounds no longer seem to work, and 10.10 doesnt have the services option
[15:57] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  see if  sys-rc-conf is in the repository
[15:58] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  then run that in terminal as   sudo sys-rc-conf  and use arrows to scroll and space bar to mark
[15:58] <Tetsuo55> installing
[15:59] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  if you have not used that in the past...I wouldnt go hog wild disabling things :)
[15:59] <Tetsuo55> what do the numbers mean??
[15:59] <Tetsuo55> 0-6 and S
[15:59] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  i would open another terminal     man  sys-rc-conf  to be sure  i dont remember offhand
[16:00] <Tetsuo55> no manual :(
[16:00] <Tetsuo55> X is on or off?
[16:00] <coz_> Tetsuo55,   hold on let me install and check
[16:01] <Tetsuo55> thanks
[16:02] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  ah oh not in lucid repo?  hold on
[16:02] <Tetsuo55> im in 10.10, i have no idea where it got it from :P
[16:03] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  it helps to spell it correctly :)
[16:04] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  ok with that opened  the first  tick box is the one you want to tick or untick and
[16:04] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  if it has an X  it is off
[16:05] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  remove or place an X  in the first box only
[16:05] <Tetsuo55> done
[16:05] <Tetsuo55> now i guess i need to reboot
[16:05] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  laptop or desktop/
[16:05] <Tetsuo55> laptop
[16:05] <Tetsuo55> hardware led for bluetooth is still on
[16:05] <coz_> ok
[16:06] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  yeah I would reboot to test
[16:06] <Tetsuo55> npviewer.bin just crashed, what is it for?
[16:06] <coz_> Tetsuo55,  also check if sysv-rc-conf is running in the background after reboot
[16:06] <coz_> Tetsuo55, mm not sure offhand
[16:07] <Tetsuo55> ill reboot after reporting it
[16:09] <Tetsuo55> does this matter? This bug report has been marked private (visible only to its direct subscribers). You may choose to change this.
[16:10] <Tsims> can someone help me change my login screen?
[16:10] <Tetsuo55> oh the ticket was more informative, its actually a part of flash
[16:10] <Tsims> there is no option to add a custom login anymore under System>Admin>Login Screen
[16:13] <Tetsuo55> bluetooth is still on, how do i check if that sys-rc thing is running?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Tetsuo55: the bug should be private until it is checked for passwords and other information
[16:13] <Tetsuo55> charlie-tca:  ok good
[16:19] <Tetsuo55> i installed bluez
[16:19] <Tetsuo55> it has a disable bluetooth button and that works
[16:38] <mrp> how do i get into recovery mode?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> hold shift while starting the system
[16:39] <charlie-tca> grub menu should appear
[16:39] <penguin42> *right* after the bios
[16:39] <mrp> thanks
[16:40]  * charlie-tca got one right today :-)
[16:42] <Machtin> could someone help me to get 5.1 working on my Asus Xonar DX? it's somehow strange - seems to be upmixed when i to the 6-channel speaker-test.
[16:45] <prep> anyone on and available?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> !anyone | prep
[16:46] <prep> I installed Maverick over Lynx, every since, Jack will no longer launch
[16:48] <charlie-tca> anybody know if Maverick will get the fsck back in the recovery menu?
[16:50] <prep> I know 10.10 is beta, but quite a few things are broken, thinking of backing up, clean install. I started with Lynx, then Ubuntu studio, then upgraded to Maverick. Thinking there may be a lot of trash between all the upgrades. I'm just tire kicking with this machine for now
[16:51] <charlie-tca> That is possible, prep
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Have you tried reinstalling Jack?
[16:51] <prep> I haven't, duh, that would be a start.
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Sometimes things get lost on upgrades
[16:51] <charlie-tca> I am not very helpful on sound issues.
[16:52] <prep> I also noticed that my Rhythm Box didn't get the cool status/control panel that drops down. So it may all be boogered up
[17:12] <lukus> hi .. i've installed maverick
[17:12] <lukus> but wifi is deaded
[17:12] <lukus> wondering if anyone else here is experiencing problems with the connection manager
[17:12] <lukus> ?
[17:13] <penguin42> lukus: Someone last night here had a broken upgrade where network manager said it was disconnected even though it was connected, and empathy disliked that
[17:14] <lukus> well - my upgrade seems okay .. but my drivers don't .. I'm not sure what the problem is.  even if I install the driver manually (as I do usually) it doesn't function .. just continually searches
[17:15] <lukus> thanks anyways penguin42 .. it's nice to know i'm not the only one with probs
[17:16] <penguin42> lukus: What wireless?
[17:17] <lukus> a usb wifi dongle .. uses ra2870 driver
[17:20] <penguin42> do you get any log errors?
[17:28] <lukus> penguin42, no .. which is strange
[17:28] <lukus> i was wondering if the problem was related to the actual manager
[18:00] <tacomaster> anyone know how to install virtualbox on ubuntu 10.10 64bit?
[18:02] <jpds> tacomaster: Install the virtualbox-ose package?
[18:03] <tacomaster> ose is the open source right?
[18:03] <Pici> Yes.
[18:03] <jpds> 100% open-sauce.
[18:03] <tacomaster> is there a 64 bit for ose?
[18:03] <kklimonda> yes
[18:04] <kklimonda> what ose doesn't have is usb support
[18:04] <Pici> !info virtualbox-ose
[18:04] <kklimonda> and something else..
[18:04] <kklimonda> but only usb support is important imo
[18:07] <tacomaster> kklimonda: do i have to iso files on my computer for virtualbox-ose to beable to get them or does it have shared folder support?
[18:08] <kklimonda> tacomaster: it does have shared folder support I've never used it
[18:09] <tacomaster> kklimonda: sick it was able to find my old virtualbox os's and play them on the ose
[18:13] <tacomaster> its kinda sad the only reason i  use virtualbox is because i couldnt get my .wma and .wmv from cbt nuggets to work but i dont think thats a win64codecs problems because the internet is filled with just cbt nuggets not playing
[18:24] <charlie-tca> update-manager crashed when updating my fresh install from today's image.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Apport won't report it because some packages are out of date :-(
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Can't update because update-manager crashes instead; a very nice loop
[18:25] <incandenza> charlie-tca: do you happen to have a USB hard drive or flash card reader installed?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:25] <incandenza> I had a hang due to some problem with the usb_storage module when upgrading grub-pc
[18:26] <charlie-tca> no usb drive; no card reader
[18:26] <charlie-tca> just two hard drives
[18:26] <charlie-tca> manual updating works
[18:26] <mvo_> charlie-tca: what was the error?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> update-manager closed unexpectedly
[18:27] <mvo_> charlie-tca: anything on ther temrinal window if you run it from there?
[18:27] <mvo_> charlie-tca: a error message? or a apport log?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> It is updating in terminal. Let me look at the crash report
[18:28] <charlie-tca> UpdateManager.py, line 637, in on_botton_install_clicked
[18:29] <charlie-tca> self.cache.checkFreeSpace()
[18:29] <mvo_> charlie-tca: could you pastebin the full thing?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Sure
[18:29] <charlie-tca> You want the whole report or just the traceback?
[18:31] <gorthaug> hi, i'm trying to load the ubuntu 10.10 iso in a usb drive with UNetbootin but in the boot it say me "No init found." and let me in a shell... what can i do?
[18:32] <charlie-tca> mvo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/491703
[18:32] <charlie-tca> I don't see anything besides the traceback that tells much
[18:32] <mvo_> charlie-tca: thanks, does clicking on "reload" help?
[18:33] <charlie-tca> didn't try
[18:33] <charlie-tca> sorry
[18:33] <charlie-tca> ran dist-upgrade in terminal
[18:33] <charlie-tca> I can run another install and try it if you want?
[18:33] <duffydack> gorthaug, http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html  try this method. much more convenient
[18:35] <charlie-tca> mvo_: should I do another install and try "reload"?
[18:38] <penguin42> ooh, there is a fix committed against the no way to set computer name in the installer
[18:38] <charlie-tca> That's good
[18:40] <Oriax> hey guys
[18:40] <Oriax> got a question regarding maverick
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Oriax: just ask the question, all on one line.
[18:41] <Oriax> Ok.
[18:43] <mvo_> charlie-tca: yeah, give it another go
[18:43] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:43] <mvo_> charlie-tca: I know how to fix it, but I really have no idea how it managed to get into the situation
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I can always manually copy/paste the report, if need be
[18:44] <charlie-tca> going to be a few minutes, this is a hardware install
[18:45] <Oriax> I'm using Lucid - I'm pretty new to linux - on a 4-5 year old laptop... It seems that I got some strange issues with MESA and I've been told that upgrading to Maverick (with mesa 7.8) might fix that. Given my skills and that maverick is still in beta, would it be "safe" for me to try it?
[18:46] <penguin42> Oriax: Possibly not
[18:46] <Oriax> I don't know how newbie-friendly an OS still in beta would be
[18:46] <penguin42> Oriax: You can't really undo the upgrade and some people are still hitting black screens and it just not working
[18:46] <Oriax> ah, I see
[18:47] <penguin42> Oriax: It's something you might like to try in a VM or a non-critical machine, but I wouldn't do it to an important machine unless youre reasonably confident you could unbreak it
[18:47] <yofel> Oriax: you should *really* first try a live disk before even thinking about installing/uprading. You should be able to test if maverick helps in your case with the live disk fine anyway
[18:47] <penguin42> Oriax: Out of interest what graphics card do you use and what are the issues you have?
[18:47] <Oriax> ati radeon 200M
[18:49] <Oriax> the issues I noticed came when trying to play hedgewars, the guys over at #hedgewars helped me out a bit, but it seems like my mesa version is way too old (like 1.5 Oo) and doesn't work as required
[18:50] <penguin42> Oriax: There are still some Mesa issues with the Radeon drivers in Maverick  on my HD4350 - I'm using one of the development trees that are ahead of the beta and it's happyish
[18:50] <penguin42> bah, I'm in the middle of an upgrade - when it's done I might try hedgewars
[18:51] <Oriax> it's pretty fun, but won't work for me :D
[18:52] <Oriax> ok, so you say you got issues with a "normal" card, so my ancient one will most probably have issues as well
[18:53] <penguin42> not necessarily, it might be something that just broke on the newer ones
[18:53] <penguin42> still, they're hoping to get the fixes I'm using into Maverick
[18:54] <Oriax> there is no longer a support for the my drivers, so I'm not betting on that :D
[18:54] <penguin42> yeh I know what you mean, I've got an old 9600 in a machine
[18:54] <Oriax> I guess I'm going to #ubuntu then and hoping for them to have some spare time to help me out then :D
[18:55] <penguin42> Oriax: Hang on a sec
[18:55] <Oriax> ok
[18:58] <penguin42> Oriax: OK, so I have hedgewars running and I can't understand it at all.....
[18:59] <Oriax> do you know the "worms" series?
[18:59] <penguin42> no
[18:59] <Oriax> hr
[19:00] <Oriax> okay, so you are this hedgehog
[19:00] <Oriax> or a team of such cute creatures
[19:00]  * penguin42 guessed - what are the keys ?
[19:00] <Oriax> and kill your enemies with weapons :D
[19:00] <i_is_broke> anyone else having kernel issues trying to get there wireless working with belkin usb adapter?
[19:01] <Oriax> if I remember well arrows and mouse buttons
[19:01] <Oriax> enter for jumping and backslash for special jump
[19:03] <penguin42> Oriax: I can move the guy back and forward but can't seem to aim
[19:03] <Oriax> you aim with up and down
[19:04] <Oriax> except for when you use a weapon which doesn't require aiming
[19:04] <Oriax> like punching someone
[19:05] <penguin42> Oriax: Anyway, not understanding what it should look like, it looks ok
[19:05] <nemo> penguin42: c for screenshot
[19:05] <nemo> if you want to send him one
[19:05] <nemo> saves to ~/.hedgewars/Screenshots I think
[19:05]  * nemo checks
[19:05] <Oriax> oh hi nemo :D
[19:05] <duffydack> wormux is another version.. not played tbh
[19:06] <nemo> Hedgewars was featured game for Ubuntu 10.04 :)
[19:06] <nemo> in the welcome to ubuntu
[19:06] <Oriax> oh yeah, I remember that
[19:06] <coz_> hey guys...any issues with upgrading?
[19:06] <nemo> duffydack: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features in "games"
[19:07] <nemo> not the prettiest screesnhot they could have used :)
[19:07] <penguin42> ok, that's the first time I've seen a .tga in about 15 years
[19:07] <nemo> penguin42: is png in .14
[19:07] <duffydack> thats a dreadful picture
[19:08] <nemo> duffydack: yeah, what can you do :-/
[19:08] <nemo> at least they posted it
[19:08] <duffydack> its the smallest things they seem to miss completely.. sad
[19:08] <penguin42> Oriax: http://imagebin.org/113540
[19:08] <nemo> duffydack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1Y_Pw_TtFo  - our 0.9.13 trailer - Armagon is doing the singing
[19:08] <duffydack> yeah, some things dont have a screenshot at all..
[19:09] <penguin42> Oriax: Whenever I aim, and then how am I supposed to fire? I hit space and it just blows a hole below me?
[19:09] <nemo> penguin42: hold down spacebar
[19:09] <Oriax> you were using the bazooka
[19:09] <duffydack> held longer = more power
[19:09] <lanoxx> hi, is it possible to install gtk+3.0 in maverick? or do i have to build it by my self?
[19:09] <nemo> penguin42: if you right click, you get a weapon menu w/ instructions on how to use each weapon
[19:09] <nemo> (wehn you hover over the weapon)
[19:10] <Oriax> nemo should know ;)
[19:10] <penguin42> ah got it!
[19:10] <nemo> duffydack: BTW, I tried Pitivi after the recommendation in "features" - I just couldn't figure out how to use it at all, so went back to avidemux2
[19:11] <duffydack> thats another program they ship that I dont use because a severe lack of functionality...
[19:15] <coz_> any nvidia issues with upgrade?
[19:15] <charlie-tca> only when it doesn't work
[19:16] <coz_> charlie-tca,   cute :)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> but true
[19:16] <coz_> charlie-tca,  :)
[19:16] <coz_> charlie-tca,  current state?
[19:16]  * charlie-tca could not resist that one. Sorry, coz_
[19:16] <coz_> :)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Working for most people
[19:17] <coz_> mm  ok  if not I can always reinstall lucid
[19:17] <charlie-tca> plymouth splash screen won't work with hardware driver for nvidia
[19:17] <charlie-tca> You get the ugly text screen instead
[19:17] <coz_> ok
[19:17] <coz_> upgrading now...although I hate upgrades
[19:18] <coz_> ok I will let this run through and come back to complain when its finished :)
[19:38] <charlie-tca> mvo_: fresh install completed; update-manager on desktop
[19:40] <mvo_> charlie-tca: so u-m is doing fine now?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> no, just staring at it first
[19:40] <charlie-tca> 33 updates selected
[19:40] <charlie-tca> "install updates
[19:40] <charlie-tca> yu
[19:41] <charlie-tca> mvo_: yes, it is running this time
[19:41] <charlie-tca> weird. Same install procedure, too. Can not reproduce
[19:48] <Sary> Hello Y'all , seems like i got a kernel problem .. the error says : Your system encountered a serious kernel problem.Your system might become unstable now and might need to be restarted.
[19:48] <Sary> i have the choice to report .. but
[19:48] <gnomefreak> Sary: did you try to reboot?
[19:48] <gnomefreak> Sary: report first
[19:49] <Sary> I get this , As part of the bug reporting process, you'll be asked a series of questions to help provide a more descriptive bug report.  Please answer the following questions to the best of your ability.  Afterwards, a browser will be opened to finish filing this as a bug in the Launchpad bug tracking system.
[19:49] <Sary> gnomefreak, no i haven't for days now
[19:49] <gnomefreak> since brezzy dev cycle i have only had ~3-4 kernel panics
[19:49] <Sary> Alright , will do
[19:49] <gnomefreak> Sary: file the bug than reboot
[19:50] <charlie-tca> The questions are designed to be easy for beginners
[19:50] <Sary> Okay , but i really don' now what to chose for answer
[19:50] <Sary> Mmm
[19:51] <charlie-tca> What was the question?
[19:51] <Sary> dah , got a gnome problem to ..
[19:51] <gnomefreak> i think too easy since most of the time the users postes the error than tells them what to do like with dpkg errors it says run sudo dpkg --configure -a in ther error
[19:51] <gnomefreak> define problerm
[19:52] <gnomefreak> i personally think rebooting will fix all above issues
[19:52] <charlie-tca> me too
[19:52] <gnomefreak> but always best to file bug report incase info gets lost
[19:53] <charlie-tca> should still be a crash file
[19:53] <gnomefreak> agreed
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Sary: might be better to reboot and see if it fixes the issue
[19:55] <Sary> Alright guys , file a bug firs or !
[19:55] <gnomefreak> im concerned that if he tries to reboot and kernel panics his system will be messed up without even getting a bug filed
[19:56] <charlie-tca> You think?
[19:56] <gnomefreak> if it goes away its easy enough to close the bug
[19:56] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: i dont have aol the info needed to make taht desision
[19:56] <gnomefreak> s/aol/all
[19:56] <charlie-tca> Sary: follow gnomefreak advice. File it. You can ask the questions here if needed
[19:58] <Sary> Alright , i have to logout to see the bug again , and don't worry i got my files backed up
[19:59] <gnomefreak> Sary: the files it attached is what is needed
[19:59] <gnomefreak> other wise reboot would have been first choice
[20:00] <lucas-arg> is nvidia bug goin to make it to 10.10?
[20:01] <lucas-arg> this laggyness is killing me
[20:08] <lucas-arg> mkey
[20:09] <gnomefreak> lucas-arg: the bigest nvidia is fixed but there are still some and always will be bugs on it so you need to be less gerneal in the bug you mean
[20:10] <bjsnider> i think he means the problem with the antialiased text
[20:10] <lucas-arg> gnomefreak: well... my system using compiz and nvidia current in a nvidia 320m is laggy... i have to use just plain gnome not even gnome compositing
[20:10] <lucas-arg> not just text
[20:10] <lucas-arg> videos etc
[20:11] <lucas-arg> its annoying
[20:11] <bjsnider> did you update nvidia-current witht he new 260 beta driver?
[20:11] <lucas-arg> im just an user, dont know how to fix it...
[20:11] <lucas-arg> bjsnider: nope
[20:12] <lucas-arg> bjsnider: its not in the repos
[20:12] <bjsnider> not sure if it's been uploaded or not
[20:12] <bjsnider> it is in the x-updates ppa though
[20:12] <lucas-arg> bjsnider: ill add those ppas then
[20:12] <lucas-arg> ill see and tell u guys how it went
[20:16] <bjsnider> lucas-arg, is bug 629910 what you're seeing?
[20:18] <lucas-arg> I dont know... but its laggy everything
[20:18] <lucas-arg> compiz runs horrible
[20:18] <lucas-arg> and performance its terrible
[20:18] <lucas-arg> i had to turn off compiz and gnome compositing
[20:18] <bjsnider> sometimes people are helped by blanking out their saved nvidia-settings rc file
[20:19] <bjsnider> that would erase any customizations though
[20:19] <lucas-arg> im upgrading to 260 after reboot ill see what happens
[20:19] <lucas-arg> i dont have any customization
[20:25] <lucas-arg> back with 260 drivers...
[20:28] <lucas-arg> still the problem
[20:28] <lucas-arg> didnt fix anything
[20:28] <bjsnider> may not be an nvidia issue then. i don't think there are any open bugs about it
[20:29] <Sary> Back
[20:29] <lucas-arg> weird
[20:29] <lucas-arg> maybe compiz?
[20:30] <Sary> i logged out , but still the kernel error didn't pop out .. there is updates that i see
[20:51] <Sary> Rebooted , no kernel panic .. yet got another error
[20:52] <Sary> While trying to install updates .. i got : Error authenticating some packages
[20:52] <gnomefreak> Sary: that is becuase you have 3rd party repos
[20:53] <gnomefreak> you are missing the keys for them
[20:53] <Sary> Mmm
[20:53] <Sary> what to do
[20:53] <gnomefreak> Sary: it gives you a Y/n?
[20:53] <Sary> no
[20:54] <Sary> it shows me a list of packages
[20:54] <gnomefreak> Sary: ok and if you click install/upgrade/update whatever it says depends on what you are using?
[20:54] <Sary> The update manger
[20:54] <Sary> Wait
[20:55] <Sary> the software sources is missing from the menu !
[20:56] <gnomefreak> Sary: from System>admin?
[20:56] <Sary> Yep.
[20:57] <gnomefreak> Sary: go to system>pref>main menu and use that to add it :) i dont run update-manager but there might bea  menu item to bring you to wher eyou want.
[20:57] <Sary> Okay.
[20:57] <gnomefreak> Sary: synaptic has a way to get to it
[20:58] <gnomefreak> having the key isnt causeing your big issue and even without the key you can upgrade packages
[20:58] <Sary> Alright , got it back
[20:59]  * gnomefreak wonders why you are using 3rd party repos on a devel system if you were not familiar with apt-dpkg
[20:59] <Sary> on Ubuntu Software tab , i have the first 4 boxes checked
[21:00] <Sary> gnomefreak, i didn't chose to :)
[21:00] <gnomefreak> Sary: please do the updates it wants you to do
[21:00] <Sary> Are these boxes right to be checked
[21:01] <gnomefreak> first 4 means nothing to me since im not sure what ones they are?
[21:01] <Sary> Okay. that what am trying to
[21:01] <gnomefreak> Sary: close all that out
[21:01] <gnomefreak> Sary: open a terminal please
[21:01] <Sary> Alright.
[21:02] <gnomefreak> Sary: in the terminal run suao apt-get update
[21:02] <gnomefreak> sudo even
[21:02] <gnomefreak> when its done let me know
[21:04] <Sary> Well , take a look .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/491787/
[21:04] <gnomefreak> Sary: sudo apt-get update
[21:05] <Sary> it's on ..
[21:06] <gnomefreak> Sary: when it is done please pastebinit before you get the next command
[21:06] <Sary> Sure.
[21:06] <gnomefreak> charlie-tca: are you going to be a around?
[21:06] <gnomefreak> i have to keep getting up every minute or 3
[21:07] <gnomefreak> Sary: you may want to learn apt/dpkg before testing a system that is very likely to break
[21:07] <Sary> Okay.noted
[21:08] <Sary> updates done.
[21:12] <gnomefreak> Sary: pastebin everything you have after apt-get update
[21:13] <Sary> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491791/
[21:14] <gnomefreak> Sary: run sudo apt-get upgrade    before doing the upgrades please pastebin everything it gives
[21:15] <Sary> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491793/
[21:16] <gnomefreak> Sary: ok type n than enter
[21:17] <Sary> Done.
[21:17] <gnomefreak> Sary: once you are back to your prompt type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and pastebin the output
[21:18] <Sary> http://paste.ubuntu.com/491796/
[21:18] <gnomefreak> Sary: ok type n again please
[21:19] <Sary> Sure/done.
[21:19] <Moc> Trying to install 10.10 beta 64bit, but after grub Install option, I get a black screen
[21:19] <gnomefreak> Sary: when back to your prompt run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. when it asks Y/n choose Y
[21:20] <gnomefreak> hasnt 64bit installer been giving problems
[21:20] <gnomefreak> Moc: try the alternate installer
[21:21]  * gnomefreak goes to do dinner and maybe get some tv in tonight as well :)
[21:25] <Moc> bah, will put 10.04
[21:30] <Moc> Ha, trying it another way
[21:31] <Moc> I think I had to select legacy boot option
[21:38] <Tetsuo55> what does this ticket tag mean? need-amd64-retrace
[21:38] <Moc> How long should the boot install process take ?
[21:41] <Moc> I give up, 10.04 here I come
[21:41] <yofel> Tetsuo55: questions about bugs should be asked in #ubuntu-bugs generally, but anyway: that means that the retracer should retrace the core dump on the bug and create a stacktrace, and that the crash happened on an amd64 system
[21:43] <Tetsuo55> can i help with that would be my next question
[21:45] <yofel> well, either use apport-retrace (not installed by default) to try to retrace the .crash file in /var/crash, or try to run the application in gdb and crash it again, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:46] <Tetsuo55> ok i will start reading, the crash is very easy to reproduce for me
[22:00] <duffydack> anyone elses empathy only display notification when you actually open the message someone sent..
[22:06] <Patrickdk> dunno, can't stand empathy
[22:22] <jimlovell777> I need to downgrade a package (libwxgtk) but can't find the specific version I need (where to download, I know the version number). A recent update broke kicad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kicad/+bug/627487) and I want to confirm the workaround and I happen to need to use kicad at the moment.
[22:26] <Ddorda> hey guys, is it a known bug that the keyboard language changes all the time?
[22:30] <jimlovell777> Ok... how about just a list of hashes to verify a download?
[22:44] <lucas-arg1> im back with 260 nvidia drivers, compiz and compositing works ok now... but recordmydesktop doesnt...
[22:51] <Tetsuo55> how often do updates appear on the update manager?
[22:51] <Tetsuo55> once an hour? or some other interval, or is it completely random?
[22:52] <duffydack> whatever you set it to
[22:52] <duffydack> daily, 2 days, weekly
[22:52] <Moc> crappy nomodeset
[22:53] <Tetsuo55> i meant to ask, how often do updates get pushed onto the update service itself
[22:54] <Tetsuo55> in contrast to the interval with which my clients check for any available ones that have been pushed
[22:54] <yofel> I think the publisher interval is 15 minutes, so that's how often updates can appear on the main server if any new packages were built, but on the mirrors it depends when they're synced and that is different
[22:54] <duffydack> in something like this, lots and often.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> many times a day
[22:55] <Tetsuo55> i manually check once an hour
[22:56] <Tetsuo55> so if the cycle is 15 minutes then thats not a total waste of time hehe
[22:56] <charlie-tca> They are slowing down. I only show 52 updated packages today
[22:57] <lucas-arg1> cant use recordmydesktop on nvidia 320m and 260 drivers...
[23:10] <Lynoure> hmm, a stuck plasmoid and my amarok fails to start
[23:10] <Lynoure> are these things anyone has solutions for?
[23:11] <Lynoure> when I try starting amarok again, from the command line, it claims Amarok is already running... if I kill it, and start from commandline...
[23:14] <Lynoure> http://pastebin.com/494z45H3 in that case, still now amarok window. and then soon after a notice that it has probably crashed
[23:14] <Lynoure> http://pastebin.com/5uF6CFuE is that notice
[23:15] <Volkodav> i can't figure this xorg CPU craziness
[23:18] <Tetsuo55> the battery time calculation is a bit bugged i think
[23:19] <Tetsuo55> its expectations go up or down an hour for no apperant reason
[23:27] <BUGabundo> oias
[23:36] <coz_> ok updated to maverick..so far everything...including  nvidia and compiz 0.9.0 are doing well
[23:42] <Tetsuo55> anyone else seeing many deformed fonts/works on this page? http://design.canonical.com/
[23:43] <Tetsuo55> hmm F5 and all is well
[23:43] <Tetsuo55> wierd
[23:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/612432
[23:57] <DanaG> Nyargh.
[23:59] <bjsnider> is that still experimental?
[23:59] <bjsnider> grub development moves slowly


[13:42] <rros> I'm building a simple GTK-app and I'm trying to catch the minimize window event, but this event doesn't seem to get fired when using unity, any suggestions?
[13:53] <rros> nevermind, I found a bugreport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/998073


[00:04] <weather15> Problem with Apache
[00:04] <weather15> I modified the Apache config as specified on the wiki
[00:04] <weather15> I then entered this into my web browser http://<IP_ADDRESS> and I get the Apache It Works page
[00:05] <weather15> What can I do?
[00:16] <weather15> Hello Everone
[00:16] <weather15> *Everyone
[00:16] <thumper> hi weather15
[00:16] <weather15> Does any one know what to do when you get the Apache it Works page when trying to access Launchpad for the first time?
[00:17] <weather15> OPen SOurce of course
[00:18] <weather15> Do I have to enable the Launch Pad SIte?
[00:18] <weather15> and Disbale the default site?
[00:20] <lifeless> j
[00:21] <weather15> I disbale the default site
[00:21] <weather15> *disabled
[00:21] <weather15> and then I get the SSL cert error
[00:21] <weather15> But Then after accepting it:: The page isn't redirecting properly
[00:22] <weather15> What can I do about ^
[00:26] <weather15> >> ^
[00:30] <lifeless> I odn't understand the question
[00:30] <lifeless> perhaps you should start with a more regular development environment ?
[00:31] <wgrant> Firstly, what are you trying to do?
[00:32] <weather15> I downloaded the Launch Pad Installer
[00:32] <weather15> Followed these instructions: https://dev.launchpad.net/Running
[00:32] <wgrant> For what purpose?
[00:32] <weather15> Then These : https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/RemoteAccess
[00:33] <weather15> To Use Launch Pad Open Source
[00:33] <weather15> After starting using: make run
[00:34] <weather15> I tried to access LaunchPad via http://launchpad.dev
[00:34] <ajmitch> wouldn't the default virtual host config generally be matched first before the launchpad one?
[00:35] <weather15> Then Firefox throws this error: The page isn't redirecting properly
[00:36] <weather15> Any idea as to what to do?
[00:37] <weather15> I disabled the default Apache Site becuase I just got the It Works Page! when try to access Launch Pad
[00:38] <ajmitch> you probably do need to access it by name
[00:38] <wgrant> Right. Launchpad uses virtual hosts extensively.
[00:38] <wgrant> So you need to access it as 'launchpad.dev'
[00:39] <weather15> I'm using this: launchpad.dev
[00:39] <weather15> I did how ever need to set this in my Hosts file
[00:39] <weather15> as my DNS does not seem to resolve that name
[00:41] <lifeless> thats expected
[00:41] <lifeless> please note
[00:41] <lifeless> that what you have downloaded is not an installer for launchpad
[00:41] <lifeless> it is the launchpad source code - there are no installers
[00:42] <weather15> I understand that as I have followed the wiki instructions to get it to run
[00:42] <lifeless> ok
[00:44] <lifeless> \o/ milestones branch passed ec2 land
[00:46] <jcsackett_> lifeless: thanks for the suggestion on the tests for my usage_enums branch; i was looking for a cleaner solution, and at midnight nothing was coming to me. :-P
[00:49] <weather15> I think I found the error
[00:49] <weather15> [Sun Aug 22 19:43:59 2010] [info] Initial (No.1) HTTPS request received for child 0 (server bazaar.launchpad.dev:443) [Sun Aug 22 19:43:59 2010] [debug] mod_deflate.c(615): [client <IP_ADDRESS>] Zlib: Compressed 284 to 217 : URL / [Sun Aug 22 19:44:14 2010] [debug] ssl_engine_io.c(1892): OpenSSL: I/O error, 5 bytes expected to read on BIO#7fe8b8ba53c0 [mem: 7fe8b8be6c40] [Sun Aug 22 19:44:14 2010] [info] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] (70007)Th
[00:50] <weather15> Just what can I do about it?
[00:50] <lifeless> jcsackett_: my pleasure
[00:54] <weather15> ?? ^
[00:59] <lifeless> weather15: I don't know
[01:59] <michaelh1> Hi there.  Is there a way of linking directly to the Launchpad-hosted Changelog for a release?
[02:00] <michaelh1> I'd like to link to the Changelog text on https://launchpad.net/gcc-linaro/4.4/4.4-2010.07-0
[02:07] <lifeless> wgrant: around?
[02:08] <lifeless> michaelh1: not AFAIK
[02:08] <michaelh1> OK.  I'll submit a feature request.
[02:08] <lifeless> a patch would be better :)
[02:09] <lifeless> actually, more seriously
[02:09] <lifeless> why?
[02:10] <lifeless> michaelh1: ^
[02:10] <michaelh1> lifeless: oh, we want to do a summary page in the Linaro wiki that lists the projects involved in the current release, a link off to the download, and a link off to the change log
[02:17] <wgrant> lifeless: Sure.
[02:17] <lifeless> I'm looking at
[02:17] <lifeless> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=smplayer
[02:17] <lifeless> timeouts
[02:17] <wgrant> Ew DistroSeriesPackageCache
[02:17] <wgrant> And DistroSourcePackageCache.
[02:17] <lifeless> yes
[02:17] <wgrant> Kill them with fire.
[02:18] <lifeless> 8000ms queries
[02:18] <wgrant> Ow.
[02:18] <lifeless> what should be used
[02:18] <lifeless> also I recall you had a query to establish the archive ids
[02:18] <lifeless> to reproduce things on staging
[02:18] <lifeless> I wanted to snarf that from you (or hell, just the ubuntu archive ids would do)
[02:18] <wgrant> The magic number is 534.
[02:18] <wgrant> That's parter.
[02:18] <wgrant> primary is 1.
[02:19] <wgrant> s/parter/partner/
[02:35] <wgrant> lifeless: I looked last week, and one of those caches is pretty useless.
[02:35] <wgrant> I think DistroSeriesPackageCache.
[02:35] <wgrant> But DistroSourcePackageCache might be slightly more performant than a straight query.
[02:39] <lifeless> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/618372
[02:39] <_mup_> Bug #618372: Distribution:+search slow 50% of requests <dba> <timeout> <Soyuz:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/618372>
[02:40] <lifeless> its nice that the timeout predictor well, predicted
[02:45] <wgrant> How bad is the plan?
[02:45] <lifeless> dunno yet
[02:46] <lifeless> but clearly pretty bad
[02:46] <wgrant> Heh.
[02:49] <lifeless> so to get the plan
[02:49] <lifeless> I need values for distribution
[02:49] <lifeless> ubuntu - 1 I'm guessing
[02:49] <lifeless> releasestatus
[02:50] <wgrant> releasestatus is an enum.
[02:50] <wgrant> ubuntu might not be 1.
[02:50] <wgrant> I'm not sure.
[02:50] <lifeless> its 1
[02:58] <lifeless> grah
[02:58] <lifeless> wgrant: lib/lp/registry/browser/distribution.py - I want a second opinion on line
[02:58] <lifeless> 479
[02:58] <lifeless> I think its nuts; I don't see why it would work even.
[02:59] <wgrant> Regardless, it's irrelevant now.
[02:59] <wgrant> Storm is fixed.
[02:59] <wgrant> Delete delete delete.
[03:00] <wgrant> It may be that DRS has a workaround that's now gone since the original bug is fixed.
[03:00] <wgrant> s/has/had/
[03:03] <lifeless> argh
[03:03] <lifeless> has_exact_matches()
[03:03] <lifeless> sigh
[03:04] <lifeless> is there a tal construct for 'show this <> if <iterator> iterates 1 or more times ?
[03:06] <wgrant> Not directly, I don't think.
[03:06] <wgrant> Anyway, I'm gone.
[03:06] <lifeless> we need one
[03:06] <lifeless> ciao
[03:06] <lifeless> thanks
[03:37] <thumper> ✁☹
[03:37] <thumper> damn simplistic freaking tests
[03:38]  * thumper taps fingers....
[03:42]  * thumper hackerates
[03:44]  * thumper fixes \\o/
[03:45] <lifeless> ffs openid-apache-module-hate-hate-hate
[03:48] <lifeless> poolie: so
[03:49] <lifeless> poolie: I'd like you to send a hand-off mail to lp-dev, if you would, on flags
[03:49] <lifeless> poolie: just a 'I'm not moving this forward for <period>, folk that want to can look at <url>, and I'd do <X> next' or something
[03:49] <lifeless> poolie: if you have an in-progress branch, snapshotting that and including its details would be awesome
[03:50] <poolie> yeah, good idea
[03:50] <poolie> i was still thinking of doing another increment on it today, but i will at least send that
[03:50] <poolie> i am a bit disappointed nobody else replied
[03:50] <poolie> i guess it needs some examples of actually being useful though
[03:50] <lifeless> the lp dev list has an odd dynamic.
[03:51] <lifeless> Not to worry; we will fix.
[03:57] <thumper> lifeless: you'll fix the dynamic?
[03:58]  * thumper runs when he looks at the time
[04:32] <lifeless> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/milestones/+merge/32855
[04:33] <lifeless> thumper: what does 'no longer in the source branch' mean? perhaps it should link to help.lp.net?
[04:34] <thumper> what it means is that the approved revision isn't in that branch
[04:34] <thumper> due to something like a push overwrite
[04:34] <lifeless> ok
[04:35] <thumper> lifeless: is it right?
[04:37] <lifeless> yes
[04:42] <thumper> is it because you reused the branch?
[04:42] <lifeless> I had a bunch of cruft, which I collapsed into one commit
[04:42] <lifeless> so reused - yes, but for that same mp.
[04:42] <lifeless> history-edit
[04:45]  * thumper feels like a primal scream
[04:45] <thumper> clucking canonical_url fallout
[04:45] <thumper> and broken code
[04:46] <wgrant> lifeless: Any luck?
[04:55] <lifeless> thumper: :(
[04:55] <lifeless> thumper: I thought c_u fix landed?
[04:55] <lifeless> wgrant: plan is in the bug
[04:55] <thumper> lifeless: it has
[04:56] <lifeless> thumper: untested code paths died as a result ?
[04:56] <thumper> lifeless: in my next branch, I've found lib/lp/testing/menu.py
[04:56] <thumper> which is wrong
[04:56] <thumper> so my fix for it breaks stuff
[04:56] <thumper> grr...
[04:56] <lifeless> :(
[04:56] <thumper> didn't find it in the old branch as nothing that triggered the bug was being tested
[04:58] <lifeless> spm: hi
[04:58] <lifeless> spm: I'd like a kcachegrind please ;)
[04:58] <spm> lifeless: err...
[04:58] <lifeless> spm: ...rre?
[04:59] <spm> of what where and probably more significantly, how :-)
[04:59] <lifeless> spm: we did this before your sprint
[04:59] <thumper> ✁☹
[04:59] <spm> um, no we didn't. :-)
[04:59] <lifeless> spm: you change the setting on staging, I hit up the url, you change it back
[04:59] <lifeless> spm: yes, we did.
[04:59] <spm> oh THAT. right. debug.
[05:00] <lifeless> actually
[05:00] <lifeless> nvm, I suspect that the underrepresentation of sql may be a factor
[05:01] <lifeless> so I'm going to fix the darn sql
[05:01] <lifeless> if its still naffed after that, we'll get a cleaner kcachegrind file
[05:01] <spm> nod
[05:01] <lifeless> sorry for the interrupt
[05:01] <lifeless> wgrant: so - has the distribution search changed recently?
[05:02] <wgrant> lifeless: Not since 3.0, AFAIK.
[05:02] <lifeless> wgrant: if not, then its likely a transient DB issue, as its bad on edge and prod
[05:02] <lifeless> and wasn't showing up as such before
[05:02] <lifeless> so I've subscribed stub via the dba tag
[05:02] <lifeless> however
[05:02] <lifeless> the plan shows loop on loop on loop
[05:02] <lifeless> for thousands of items
[05:02] <wgrant> Yes, the plan makes me cry.
[05:02] <lifeless> thats going to add up any which way
[05:13] <lifeless> stub: I've tagged another bug dba
[05:13] <lifeless> slow query, no code changes recently, wondering if you could see if its an operational issue / bad query design etc
[05:13] <lifeless> stub: also, the PPR seems to have broken over the weekendish
[05:24] <stub> jtv: Should suggestivepotemplate.potemplate be a foreign key reference to POTemplate (ON DELETE CASCADE I suspect as this is a cache)
[05:26] <stub> jtv: Should suggestivepotemplate.potemplate be a foreign key reference to POTemplate (ON DELETE CASCADE I suspect as this is a cache)
[05:53] <mwhudson> thai internet doing well today, it seems
[05:54] <stub> bouncy bouncy
[06:07] <StevenK> mwhudson: Do you remember the discussion we had at least 3 weeks ago about my branch that added the beginnings of job support for InitialiseDistroSeries?
[06:07] <mwhudson> StevenK: vaguely
[06:08] <StevenK> mwhudson: I removed job_type like you suggested, but now the test for InitialiseDistroSeriesJobDervied fails, since .create() doesn't raise an AttributeError
[06:10] <mwhudson> StevenK: err
[06:14]  * StevenK suspects he has lost mwhudson
[07:36] <noodles775> Morning!
[07:59] <lifeless> hi noodles775
[07:59] <lifeless> noodles775: I has a question for you
[08:00] <lifeless> noodles775: lib/lp/registry/browser/distribution.py
[08:00] <lifeless> line 479
[08:00] <lifeless> is that still relevant ?
[08:07]  * noodles775 looks
[08:09]  * noodles775 pulls a recent version of devel
[08:13] <noodles775> lifeless: So the associated bug has been released, and we're using a version of storm that includes it. So I would say no. Remove it, and see (or I can do it if you're done for the day).
[08:57] <adeuring> good morning
[09:33] <lifeless> noodles775: I'm well done ;)
[09:33] <lifeless> noodles775: I'd love it if you could; I found that code while starting to look at a perf issue
[09:33] <noodles775> lifeless: np, I'll do it now.
[09:33] <lifeless> thanks!
[09:34] <wgrant> It'd be nice if we had a tool which would report XXXs referring to closed bugs.
[09:35] <lifeless> that would be nice
[09:35] <lifeless> it would make an awesome bzr precommit check too
[09:35] <bigjools> or even better, a ....
[09:35] <bigjools> that
[09:36] <lifeless> night all; its only 8:30 but 5am starts really takes it out of you
[09:36] <wgrant> Night lifeless.
[09:37] <lifeless> and I want to be alert for perf tuesday! :)
[09:37] <noodles775> Night lifeless.
[12:03] <deryck> Morning, all.
[12:10] <jml> good morning deryck
[17:46] <deryck> is there a rockstar in the building?
[17:47]  * rockstar is a rockstar
[17:47] <rockstar> deryck, how can I help you?
[18:07] <bigjools> james_w: hi
[18:32] <jml> bigjools, I've replied to your review. Megapologies about the delay.
[18:48] <deryck> sinzui, ping
[18:49] <sinzui> hi deryck
[19:10] <maxb> erm, this is a bit special. python-testtools is "Published" in jaunty in ~bzr/proposed, but doesn't occur in the Packages file
[20:03] <jml> g'night all.
[20:22] <lifeless> moin
[20:34] <deryck> oops, forgot I marked myself away for lunch
[20:34] <deryck> bryceh, your branch looks good to me.  r=me.
[20:35] <deryck> hi lifeless
[20:36] <bryceh> deryck, great thanks
[20:36] <deryck> brianchidester, oh, wait.  Did you test the new status conversions?
[20:37] <deryck> gah, tab expansion death
[20:37] <deryck> bryceh, oh, wait.  Did you test the new status conversions?
[20:38] <deryck> if externalbugtracker-bugzilla.txt is not exhaustive, then no worries.  If it was, then we should keep it so.
[20:40] <bryceh> deryck, it isn't exhaustive
[20:41] <bryceh> deryck, it just spot checks.  I could add a few if you think it'd help
[20:41] <deryck> bryceh, nah, what you've added is fine then.
[20:41] <bryceh> okie
[20:44] <lifeless> deryck: hi
[20:44] <lifeless> deryck: my bugtaskset change is in :)
[20:44] <deryck> excellent :-)
[20:51] <lifeless> so
[20:51] <lifeless> lets see whats timing out today
[20:51] <lifeless> I suspect bug attachment api calls
[20:51] <lifeless> deryck: has anyone claimed that yet
[20:51] <lifeless> ?
[20:51] <deryck> lifeless, no, no one is on that yet.
[20:52] <lifeless> deryck: also while you are here
[20:52] <lifeless> have you seen https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/607935
[20:52] <_mup_> Bug #607935: timeout on bugtask:+index <timeout> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/607935>
[20:52] <lifeless> 367 sql calls :)
[20:53] <deryck> lifeless, I have seen that in that I saw the few bugs you filed around the same day.  And I just haven't got to prioritizing that yet.
[20:53] <lifeless> deryck: it seems to be one-by-one retrieving people
[20:53] <lifeless> I'm guessing its subscriptions or something
[20:54] <deryck> lifeless, ok, that's one of my spots I wanted to look at anyway next.
[20:55] <deryck> I'll be doing OOPS and timeout poking the rest of this cycle while the others finish up the subscriptions noise story.
[20:55] <lifeless> \o/
[20:55] <lifeless> I'd love to help you
[20:56] <lifeless> but we're in rather different tz's
[20:56] <lifeless> :)
[20:56] <lifeless> although, what time is it for you, now ?
[20:56] <deryck> well, work hours anyway. :-)
[20:56] <sinzui> deryck, I see from the config that there is mention of a bug-heat user/script. I think it is gone. Is this right
[20:56] <deryck> it's only 3 PM for me.  But that's EOD.  I timeshift to match Europe better.
[20:56] <lifeless> deryck: ah!
[20:56] <deryck> sinzui, yes, should be.
[20:56] <sinzui> deryck, thanks
[20:57] <deryck> np
[20:57] <lifeless> well, I'll try to be up @ 6 tomorrow and we should get 2 hours of overlap
[20:57] <deryck> Sure, that would be fun.
[20:57] <deryck> But I hate to ask you to get up early :-)
[20:58] <lifeless> deryck: getting someone else to do perf stuff on tuesday is a pleasure, not a penalty!
[20:58] <deryck> heh, cool then
[21:00] <deryck> ok, so until tomorrow then....
[21:12] <lifeless> gary_poster: I saw your update of Foundations/Webservice
[21:13] <lifeless> gary_poster: perhaps we should file a bug asking for a "%s.%s" % (__module__, self.__class__) to be gathered too ?
[21:24] <gary_poster> lifeless: I thought about that when we were first implementing.  At the time I thought it would be unnecessary: it would make for a more unwieldy pageid, and we can always grep.  I'm less sure now, but TBH I think the story of going from the named operation to the method is more annoying, at least potentially.
[22:03] <lifeless> gary_poster: I'd like all the steps to be easy :)
[22:03]  * lifeless is lazy
[22:24] <mwhudson> morning
[22:28] <jelmer> hello
[23:16] <lifeless> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1695L1219 should so not be a soft timeout
[23:16] <lifeless> 45 seconds!
[23:33] <lifeless> thumper: when you're around, a brief call would be nice
[23:33] <thumper> ack
[23:33] <lifeless> is that 200 OK, or 101 please wait
[23:34] <thumper> 101
[23:34] <lifeless> kk
[23:36] <lifeless> If I said object X is "a request timeline", what would you think it does ?
[23:47] <lifeless> gary_poster: ping
[23:47] <lifeless> gary_poster: does zope have something already existing for tastefully annotating request objects.
[23:48] <lifeless> e.g. I have an object (say the db statement list we generate) that I want to associate with a request, such that I can, whenever I have the request, get this other object.
[23:48] <lifeless> Its a little distateful to write to that object directly
[23:49] <lifeless> and a weakrefkeydict is a little ergh to work with, though doable.


[19:25] <jrwren> does pyohio post video?
[21:42] <cmaloney> Yep
[23:13] <jrwren> I beg you all to donate https://secure.actblue.com/donate/sms130k to help the best presidential candidate qualify for the next stages of the election


[10:39] <xubuntu37w> Hi from Italy, does anybody know why i have to put the password twice anytime i need to wake up my pc?
[13:39] <sievert> Hi all. In Xubuntu 16.04 DE is - 4.12.0 or 4.12.1 ?
[14:22] <Infamous> sievert, uname -r?
[14:29] <Revolver_45> Please help. How can I translate titles of some items like "User and groups" in Settings manager from English to another language? It's just untranslated in my locale. Xubuntu 16.10
[16:19] <Kanov> When I add a directory onto audacious, certain files don't open but they open when I add those files manually. I am getting this error: http://i.imgur.com/4TM2LFB.png
[16:19] <Kanov> why is it saying there is no such file? i don't get this error when i add that particular file alone
[16:41] <tmsbrg> Kanov, does the file have spaces in the name?
[16:42] <tmsbrg> just looking at the error it seems like it could be a bug with it trying to URL-escape spaces by turning them into %20
[16:44] <tmsbrg> could be that or the %5C causing problems which is a backslash
[16:53] <xubuntu97i> hi
[19:59] <xubuntu56d> I'm trying to setup a gmail account on Thunderbird. It works fine on my other computers, but when I set it up on this computer with xubuntu 16.10, I don't get the browser popup that lets me put in my password.
[20:03] <xubuntu06w> You can go to [account definitions] -> [account actions] -> [add e-mail account]
[22:24] <skafta> Good evening to all of you. My home network includes a NAS. With Thunar I can access the files, but software like a picture reader says "Could not read the content of...".  I ask myself what's is missing to do so. The NAS icon on side panel of Thunar is a wifi-icon instead of a folder-icon, don't now if it has someting to do with it. I access the nas with smb://... Anybody some advice?
[23:45] <xubuntu58w> Hi, I am a newbie and I need some help to make the bluetooth works.
[23:50] <moetunes> !bluetooth
[23:54] <xubuntu58w> Tks!


[11:39] <Laney> Anyone know what changed in cloud images to make 'scsi_debug' go away? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Wily/view/AutoPkgTest/job/wily-adt-udisks2/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/48/console
[11:40] <Laney> It's in -extra- but that's not installed
[11:42] <apw> Laney, not of the top of my head, its not something i recall being done deliberatly
[11:42] <apw> perhaps it got split out or something
[11:45] <apw> Laney, i can see no reason it would not have also been in linux-image-extra-* in vivid also
[11:47] <apw> the inclusion list is not different in scsi space, hmmm
[11:49] <Laney> apw: just booting a vivid instance to check
[11:49] <apw> Laney, and indeed in the latest vivid linux-image-extra-* it is in there too
[11:49] <Laney> but it is there in vivid
[11:49] <apw> ?
[11:49] <Laney> and the cloud manifests of vivid vs wily look the same
[11:49] <apw> well that file is in linux-image-extras-* so that is confusing
[11:49] <apw> ask dpkg what installed it
[11:50] <Laney> there -> in -extra-
[11:50] <apw> ahh ... well ... erp
[11:51] <apw> Laney, perhaps the tests have changed and would fail on vivid too
[11:51] <Laney> I see cloud-init is downloading it
[11:51] <Laney> OK, probably Not Your Problem. :)
[11:51] <Laney> go deal with doko :P
[12:15] <marga> infinity, I've added more data to https://bugs.launchpad.net/fedora/+bug/1124250 (I don't understand why this says fedora in the URL, it's marked as affecting linux on trusty and utopic)
[12:16] <marga> chiluk, ^My last comment in that bug should show the current state.  It seems like the bug is not fixed for Trusty after all. I'm not sure if I can be of any other help :-/
[13:37] <TJ-> I've just helped a Vivid amd64 user with a radeon GPU. The recent <IP_ADDRESS> update (from 3.19.0-22) has caused a regression causing a blank monitor. Cause is the default mode is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but that fails in the latest kernel, but<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will work (monitor offers @50, @59.9, @60).  Looks like the (intel)drm and radeon patches could be the cause (bug #1460674)
[13:42] <apw> TJ-, i think we'll need to get some bisect action on that, but we'd need to original user for that, and a bug to work in
[13:42] <TJ-> apw: I'm awaiting their bug report number
[13:42] <apw> TJ-, great, jsalisbury one for the bisect machine me thinks
[13:43] <apw> (coming soon from TJ- once he has the bug #)
[13:49] <TJ-> bug #1477587
[14:11] <Sarvatt> TJ-, apw: updated that bug, some upstream stable reverts for radeon that came in that stable release update, its not related to the i915_bpo stuff
[14:12] <Sarvatt> err, we got some radeon stable updates in the regressing kernel that were reverted in other stable releases i mean
[14:12] <Sarvatt> most likely that :D
[14:14] <jsalisbury> apw, ack
[14:15] <jsalisbury> Sarvatt, thanks for updating the bug
[14:16] <TJ-> Sarvatt: the radeon change mentions the Turks GPU, I noticed. The reason I mentioned the (intel)frm was I saw a specific drm/atmoic CRTC patch
[14:16] <TJ-> s/frm/drm/
[14:18] <Sarvatt> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99651
[14:21] <TJ-> Those 2 mentioned commits aren't in the vivid release though, are they? "git describe --all --contains a10f0df0615  ==> tags/cod/tip/drm-intel-nightly/2015-05-29~6^2~1^2~2"
[14:23] <Sarvatt> they're in v3.19.8-ckt3, current vivid kernel is based on the v3.19.8-ckt2 stable release
[14:25] <TJ-> Maybe I'm misunderstanding then, but as I read the bugzilla report those 2 commits need reverting to fix that issue... whereas our user has a kernel without those commits so in theory our issue is something different?
[14:26] <apw> jsalisbury, sounds like we need confirmation of the version in the bug and confirming if those two are in it or not
[14:26] <TJ-> Our user does have an HDMI+audio, DVI-D though, so the configuration is similar
[14:27] <TJ-> apw: The affected version is -23, and the working version is -22 ... kernel upgrade today initiated the problem
[14:27] <Sarvatt> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-vivid.git/commit/drivers/gpu/drm/radeon?id=5385d2affc40d9a4f465ebd4dc3c1e6e0b6c1b0f different sha1 in the ubuntu repo
[14:27] <Sarvatt> The good kernel version was linux_3.19.0-21.21.
[14:27] <Sarvatt> This Problem occurred in kernel linux_3.19.0-22.22 and linux_3.19.0-23.24.
[14:27] <TJ-> apw: In fact, the info the reporter gives as to kernel versions doesn't seem to match what I was told (see above for what I was told)
[14:28] <jsalisbury> apw, ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.19.0-23.24-generic 3.19.8-ckt2  I can ask them to test: 3.19.8-ckt3
[14:28] <apw> TJ-, thats not ... yeah that
[14:30] <TJ-> I've attached the IRC log for clarity
[14:38] <jsalisbury> apw, Sarvatt I see only one of those commits was added in 3.19.0-22:
[14:38] <jsalisbury> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/linux.git/commit/?h=linux-3.19.y&id=bdb01a9532b5a985631d04aefc10e0a421284f28
[14:39] <apw> jsalisbury, does the other get reverted in -ckt3 by any chance
[14:39] <jsalisbury> apw, I'll take a look
[14:42] <jsalisbury> apw, looks like it does:
[14:42] <jsalisbury> bde11f3 Revert "drm/radeon: don't share plls if monitors differ in audio support"
[14:42] <Sarvatt> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/linux.git/log/?h=linux-3.19.y&ofs=250 about 20 down
[14:42] <jsalisbury> git describe --contains bde11f3
[14:42] <jsalisbury> v3.19.8-ckt3~20
[14:42] <jsalisbury> Sarvatt, :-)  good timing
[14:43] <apw> jsalisbury, ok so the next update should have it, so ... i'd say ram that commit on a test kernel for them
[14:43] <apw> and confirm that that is enough to make them right again
[14:44] <TJ-> I love it when it's simple :)
[14:44] <jsalisbury> apw, what's strange is I don't see the original commit in Vivid that should be reverted.
[14:44] <jsalisbury> 52dfc11 drm/radeon: don't share plls if monitors differ in audio support
[14:45] <jsalisbury> It looks like it was never added
[14:46] <apw> jsalisbury, well it must be no, else it couldn't revert off
[14:48] <jsalisbury> apw, hmm, I can't find it with 'git log' or in the changelog, but a git revert on a Vivid tree using the upstream SHA1 does work
[14:48] <Sarvatt> are there any automated vivid master-next builds in a ppa somewhere?
[14:49] <apw> Sarvatt, yep in the ~ubuntu-kernel-test ppa pre-proposed in theory
[14:54] <jsalisbury> apw, Sarvatt I looked directly at the source and mainline commit a10f0df0615 was never applied to Vivid.    I can build a vivid test kernel with just that change
[14:59] <TJ-> My reading of it was the user *needs* the commit that splits PLLs when one output has HDMI, as is the case
[14:59] <TJ-> s/HDMI/HDMI + audio/
[18:31] <rtg> apw, infinity, I uploaded blktap-dmks to https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa if you'd like to have a look
[18:32] <infinity> rtg: That seems nice and simple.  If it fixes it, yay.  And we'll also want that SRUed to trusty (for lts-w/lts-x kernels)
[18:33] <rtg> infinity, oh, hadn't thought about the SRU. Guess I'll do that too.
[18:33]  * infinity wonders why that doesn't build for arm64...
[18:34] <infinity> Oh.  It probably should.
[18:35] <rtg> infinity, in the meantime, would you pocket copy to wily for me when it is done building ?
[18:35] <infinity> rtg: While you're in there, want to s/i386 amd64 armhf powerpc ppc64el/linux-any/ on the Arch list so we don't have to keep adding arches for every new port? :P
[18:36] <rtg> infinity, then just upload directly to the archive ?
[18:36] <infinity> rtg: Yeah.
[18:37] <infinity> rtg: And happy if both those changes get SRUed.  The Arch list change in trusty will just magically make some packages installable, which won't hurt my feelings.
[18:59] <rtg> infinity, uploaded blktap-dkms to trusty, bug #1477718
[19:04] <infinity> rtg: That's a very confused version number you have there. ;)
[19:06] <infinity> rtg: Oh, actually, looking at the debian changelog, we probably just want a backport of the wily version anyway.
[19:07] <infinity> blktap-dkms (2.0.93-0.3) unstable; urgency=medium
[19:07] <infinity>   * Add patch for compatability with kernel 3.14+
[19:07] <rtg> infinity, do you just pocket copy that ?
[19:07] <infinity> No.  Hold on.  Lemme look closer.
[19:11] <infinity> rtg: Yeah.  We definitely want all the changes from trusty to wily.  Simplest would just be to take the wily source, tack ~14.04.1 to the version, and add the bug closure.
[19:11] <rtg> infinity, I can do that. reject my upload ?
[19:11] <infinity> rtg: Done.
[19:12] <infinity> rtg: Looks like current trusty blktap is already broken with lts-u and lts-v because we never bothered to backport, so this'll fix those, plus lts-w.  Not bad for a few minutes' work.
[19:13] <rtg> infinity, that is prolly an indicator of how many folks actually use this driver, i.e., almost nobody
[19:13] <infinity> rtg: Or the intersection of people who use this driver and lts kernels.
[19:13] <infinity> rtg: The vast majority of non-cloud server-type people I know tend to prefer the kernel we actually support for 5y.
[19:21] <rtg> infinity, you'd better have a look before I upload this: http://people.canonical.com/~rtg/blktap-dkms/
[19:22] <infinity> rtg: Fine, except that should be LP: not Bug:
[19:23] <infinity> rtg: You know you got the bug closure wrong if you don't get a Launchpad-Bug-Fixed: stanza in your .changes
[19:24] <rtg> infinity, it must only look at the first changelog entry
[19:24] <infinity> rtg: Oh, it looks at all the changelog entries you tell it to.
[19:25] <infinity> rtg: You want dpkg-genchanges -S -v$(last_trusty_version) > ../foo.changes
[19:25] <infinity> rtg: Then you get a nice .changes with everything in it.
[19:25] <rtg> ok, lemme update that
[19:29] <infinity> rtg: So, good news, your wily upload fixed the autopkgtest failure at least.  Yay.
[19:30] <infinity> rtg: Going to lift the block tag on your tracking bug and let your kernel in.
[19:30] <rtg> infinity, just refreshed that changes file if you'd like to have another look
[19:31] <infinity> rtg: Looks perfect, upload away.
[19:31] <rtg> done
[19:32] <rtg> now, what was I doing before all this ?
[19:32] <infinity> rtg: Knowing your schedule, probably EODing?
[19:32] <rtg> getting close :)
[19:33] <rtg> looks like a great afternoon for some single tracking