[12:02] <bob2> did you check if it really generates mod4?
[12:02] <anethema> seems to
[12:02] <bob2> no
[12:02] <anethema> in xev it lists as meta_l
[12:02] <bob2> meta_l is mod4?
[12:03] <anethema> afaik
[12:03] <anethema> and when i do the enter key thing in the keyboard shortcuts
[12:03] <anethema> hit windowskey-e
[12:03] <anethema> it reads this as mod4-e
[12:03] <s_yuan31tee> hi, any major issues u guys face while upgrading the ubuntu? ie: the x-windows stuff.
[12:04] <mark> anethema: kudos, it works
[12:04] <anethema> so it really seems to generate mod4
[12:04] <linuxboy> how do i play dvds in totem? I have the dvdcss package already
[12:04] <anethema> np mark
[12:05] <anethema> any ideas bob2 ?
[12:05] <bob2> no
[12:05] <anethema> ahh doh
[12:05] <anethema> how could mod4 work for show desktop
[12:05] <anethema> but now launch nautilus
[12:05] <anethema> now-not
[12:05] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: try installing totem-xine - and have you read the rastricted formats howto on the wiki?
[12:06] <thoreauputic> *restricted
[12:06] <linuxboy> thoreauputic: where is totem-xine ?
[12:06] <topyli> just apt-get it
[12:06] <anethema> apt
[12:07] <linuxboy> in main?
[12:07] <thoreauputic> linuxboy: it's in the universe repo
[12:08] <anethema> ok bob2 , it only works for the window control section of the keyboard shortcuts
[12:08] <anethema> nothing else
[12:09] <topyli> i miss binding keys to "gnome-terminal --geometry 80x35 -e ssh user@server" and such :(
[12:10] <anethema> yeah
[12:10] <anethema> im screwed i guess
[12:10] <anethema> windows key doesnt work right
[12:10] <anethema> and xbindkeys doesnt seem to work :(
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema it does
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema what would u like?
[12:10] <ivoks> anethema whoutrcuts with windows key?
[12:11] <anethema> ivoks,
[12:11] <anethema> yes i want windowskey-e to launch nautilus
[12:11] <anethema> thats mostly it
[12:11] <ivoks> anethema system -> preferences -> keyboard -> layout options -> alt/win keybehavior -> hyper is mapped to the win-keys
[12:11] <anethema> hyper?>
[12:12] <anethema> ok ive got it on meta right now
[12:12] <thoreauputic> odd... /lastlog doesn't seem to work in xchat 2.4.1
[12:12] <anethema> doesnt work
[12:12] <anethema> hyper is mod4 too
[12:12] <thoreauputic> anyone seeing this behaviour?
[12:12] <ivoks> if i press wind key + x i get xterm
[12:13] <anethema> how
[12:13] <desplesda> who maintains the gaim package in main?
[12:13] <anethema> where did you set that up ?
[12:13] <davidj-es> Good morning :)
[12:13] <ivoks> system, prefs, keyb. shourtcuts
[12:13] <anethema> ok that works
[12:14] <desplesda> im just noticing that gaim is at 1.1.4 in main but 1.2.1 from upstream
[12:14] <anethema> ivoks,
[12:14] <desplesda> are there any plans to update the version in main?
[12:14] <ivoks> desplesda it will stay that way
[12:14] <anethema> ivoks, try mapping somehting to 'home folder'
[12:14] <anethema> to make nautilus open
[12:14] <anethema> mapping ctrl-e works
[12:14] <anethema> mod4-e doesnt
[12:14] <desplesda> ivoks, why's that?
[12:14] <anethema> its baffling
[12:15] <ivoks> anethema yeah, doesn't
[12:15] <topyli> desplesda: that's the whole idea of a stable distribution release
[12:15] <anethema> damnit! thats the one i want the most
[12:15] <ivoks> desplesda what kind of a question is that?
[12:15] <desplesda> nevermind, i was just wondering
[12:15] <desplesda> :)
[12:15] <ivoks> desplesda hoary is out, and it has apps that it has
[12:16] <topyli> desplesda: breezy will have what's latest then
[12:16] <ivoks> desplesda next release will have newer
[12:16] <desplesda> thanks :)
[12:16] <anethema> breezy out in october
[12:16] <anethema> euain
[12:17] <topyli> anethema: you could file a bug in the key shortcut capplet and see if someone agrees
[12:17] <anethema> yeah i could
[12:17] <anethema> heh
[12:17] <anethema> where?
[12:17] <topyli> bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[12:18] <topyli> or .com, i forget :)
[12:18] <ivoks> anethema app -> system tools -> bug reporting too;
[12:18] <ivoks> anethema app -> system tools -> bug reporting tool
[12:18] <topyli> oh yeah :)
[12:19] <anethema> doh
[12:19] <thoreauputic> ping
[12:19] <anethema> dindt seem to load
[12:19] <anethema> does it load for you guys?
[12:19] <anethema> mine just says starting for a while
[12:19] <anethema> then nothing happens
[12:20] <anethema> oh nm
[12:20] <anethema> its a websit
[12:20] <Tallia1> hey guys, i've to ask you a question.. what does imply to create a link to a folder in /bin? example: "andrea@taglia:/bin$ ln -s /usr/java/bin java" ??
[12:20] <topyli> it should open a browser and go to the bugzilla page
[12:20] <rj> do i still need to patch 2.6.x kernels with cramfs patch to use initrd?
[12:20] <rj> when building kernels with kpkg?
[12:21] <topyli> Tallia1: well, then you have a link in /usr/bin that's all
[12:21] <topyli> Tallia1: which is good if you want to have java in your path
[12:22] <jacquesmerde> hmm...as soon as i changed my ubuntu machine from DHCP to static IP, the machine completely lost the ability to translate domain names
[12:22] <Tallia1> but it isn't the same to add a export $/usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin
[12:22] <Tallia1> to the bash.bashrc file!?
[12:23] <topyli> Tallia1: no it's not
[12:23] <Tallia1> why!?
[12:23] <Tallia1> i wanna to know why!! :)
[12:23] <Tallia1> i wanna know why!! :) :)
[12:23] <topyli> Tallia1: in bashrc, you add directories to your path. with the link, you add the link to your current path
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: one is changing your path, the other isn't
[12:23] <jacquesmerde> what is the standard DNS address again?
[12:24] <thoreauputic> oh my, I'm lagged 20seconds....
[12:24] <jkka> jacquesmerde: you must put dns server address to /etc/resolv.conf
[12:24] <Tallia1> i haven't understand..
[12:24] <veritas> Hrm
[12:25] <topyli> Tallia1: either mohammed goes to the mountain, or the mountain comes to mohammed you know :)
[12:25] <s_yuan31tee> i was wondering why the latest release of ubuntu use x.org?
[12:25] <s_yuan31tee> any political reasons behind? :)
[12:25] <Tallia1> .. ;|
[12:25] <jacquesmerde> jkka, well, i was going to use that administration --> networking front-end (was that created by ubuntu or gnome?), but i dont know the address
[12:25] <bob2> because xfree86 is dead
[12:25] <mjr> s_yuan31tee, perhaps because x.org is where it's happening these days
[12:25] <jkka> if you dont know what to use, set up dhcp again, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:25] <metalsand> hey bob2, are you free now?
[12:25] <shido6> i think i fixed it
[12:25] <shido6> I just removed the sound card module from  nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:25] <bob2> the 4.4 license is useless, and x.org is where everyone's doing development
[12:25] <shido6> and i rebooted
[12:26] <bob2> metalsand: for?
[12:26] <shido6> so soundmax got a 0
[12:26] <Tallia1> topyli: why i have to do both the operations in order to make java operative?
[12:26] <jacquesmerde> jkka, got it. cheers
[12:26] <shido6> instead of a 1 or a 2 when doing a cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:26] <shido6> thanks for all of your help
[12:26] <metalsand> I'm trying to get help getting a PCMCIA card to work, and I've been on it for a few days... Everyone who attmpts to help me can't figure it out
[12:26] <metalsand> Last time I tried to get help you said you were busy ATM
[12:26] <topyli> Tallia1: ah, you're probably setting the $JAVA_HOME variable in bashrc, and the link is just to find the binary
[12:26] <topyli> which is not the same thing, again :)
[12:27] <jeroen_> Hello, does anyone know how to play .mid files in Ubuntu?
[12:27] <bob2> metalsand: have you asked on the user list?
[12:27] <Tallia1> nope.. look at this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport
[12:27] <YscO> Why do you want to play .mid files anyway :P
[12:27] <anethema> brb
[12:27] <metalsand> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:27] <jeroen_> YsCo, because I downloaded one?
[12:27] <Tallia1> the $JAVA_HOME is created in the bashrc file too
[12:28] <jeroen_> metalsand, is midi restricted?
[12:28] <metalsand> I think there's support in there, jeroen_
[12:28] <metalsand> I'm not sure, but I remember scanning thorugh that and seeing that
[12:28] <metalsand> seeing mid support
[12:28] <metalsand> Could be making things up, though :P
[12:28] <YscO> i think you're making things up :p
[12:29] <metalsand> Well, it is 3:30 AM, so.. that's definatley possible :P
[12:29] <topyli> Tallia1: ok, step 3. that's so that your shell finds java. the link is probably for scripts and possibly the mozilla plugin
[12:29] <ompaul> metalsand, don't be silly it is 11:30am :-)
[12:29] <metalsand> bob2: do you think you can take a stab at my issue
[12:29] <jeroen_> yes, you're making things up. A search for "mid" and "midi" gives nothing on that page
[12:30] <YscO> 12:30 am :P
[12:30] <metalsand> Where do you crazy people live
[12:30] <jeroen_> EU_NL
[12:30] <jacquesmerde> what is the origin of that administration--> networking front-end?
[12:30] <ompaul> eu_ie
[12:30] <jacquesmerde> also, what's with the "%u" in "firefox %u"?
[12:31] <ompaul> metalsand, how did you know I was crazy? :-)
[12:31] <topyli> jacquesmerde: gnome upstream, which may have gotten it from redhat or wherever
[12:32] <topyli> jacquesmerde: the %u is a variable which takes an URL as an argument
[12:32] <Tallia1> hi!! :)  i wanna ask you a thing.. i'm a newbie of kubuntu.. there's a way to autoexec an application on kde launch??!?
[12:33] <jeroen_> Tallia1: it's possible with gnome, but I'm not sure on KDE
[12:33] <jacquesmerde> topyli, i'm just wondering why the launcher for firefox has as its command, "firefox %u"?
[12:33] <Tallia1> how it was possible with gnome?!?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: yes, there's an Autostart entry in .kde or something like that
[12:33] <ompaul> Tallia1, #kunbuntu may be of use to you there
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> topyli, is that so you can edit the command to "firefox %u www.google.com" etc.. to externally set the start page?
[12:34] <nanomad> jacquesmerde, %u its for url
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> nanomad, i still dont see what its doing there
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> just plain firefox seems to do the samething
[12:34] <nanomad> substituting a variable
[12:34] <topyli> jacquesmerde: i have no idea. :) maybe there's a $DEFAULT_URL variable or something defined by the distro
[12:34] <jacquesmerde> substituting what for what?
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Tallia1: I think you just put your script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:35] <nanomad> substitutes %u with the contents of that variable
[12:35] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, so you can start it with a url - i.e. if something says lauch firefox - it is the tool that firefox uses to import the url so that its launch is useful
[12:35] <nanomad> i think it contains the home page
[12:35] <jacquesmerde> and what IS the contents of that variable? how do you set it?
[12:35] <topyli> jacquesmerde: btw, the nautilus launcher has $u there too
[12:35] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, ooh, i like THAT answer!
[12:36] <jacquesmerde> wait, i still dont get it. can i have an example ofhwo to use it?
[12:36] <topyli> ompaul: oh yeah! that's why i can put http://google.com in the run dialog and it will launch firefox. thanks :)
[12:37] <cyh> hello i was woundering if there is a way to send command line arguments to programes when lynx starts them up automatically?
[12:37] <tigermb> heu i think the ubuntu gtk1 theme is ugly how can i change that?
[12:37] <sam_> hy everybody
[12:37] <sam_> hi
[12:37] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, see topyli's answer
[12:37] <jacquesmerde> so how come you can run a url from the run... command, just because of a %u in a launcher buried somewhere in gnome's menu and panel
[12:38] <thoreauputic> tigermb: install "switch"
[12:38] <thoreauputic> tigermb: you might want to install  a gtk engine as well
[12:38] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, give me a min
[12:38] <tigermb> thoreauputic: ok thanx
[12:39] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, sorry front door, it is day time here :-)(
[12:40] <topyli> get rid of them :)
[12:40] <thoreauputic> tigermb: I think a line like "include mygtk " or something is required in .gtk2.0 or somewhere like that, but I forget the details - you can set up your own .gtkrc like that
[12:40] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, do this - remove the precent u go to the following link and try to start firefox and see what happens http://www.google.com
[12:41] <bob2> metalsand: have you asked on the user list yet?
[12:41] <bob2> what did they say?
[12:41] <tigermb> thoreauputic: hmm okay, switch doesnt work all themes look the same
[12:42] <topyli> tigermb: true, doesn't work here either
[12:42] <thoreauputic> tigermb: that's what I found too - you might need to point your .gtk-2.0 file at your preferences
[12:42] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, does that make sense - gnome is an environment as much as it is a wm
[12:42] <thoreauputic> tigermb: as I say, I forget the details
[12:42] <tigermb> i have no .gtk-2.0
[12:43] <tigermb> only gtkrc
[12:43] <tigermb> and .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
[12:43] <sam_> maybe somebody can help me, i have installed totem to watch my divx but the sound don't work and its the same when i listen mp3 music however i have installed  gstreamer0.8-mad the sound is very strange like a broken loudspeaker
[12:44] <sam_> is it possiblie its due to my sound card driver?
[12:44] <tarzeau> anyone to play #bub-n-bros   http://bub-n-bros.sf.net with me now?
[12:45] <topyli> tarzeau: just found this great game yesterday :)
[12:45] <Rattboi> tarzeau: I have to install it first
[12:45] <tarzeau> topyli: let's play :)
[12:45] <tarzeau> Rattboi: really easy, get game, install python2.3-dev , make, start
[12:46] <sam_> nobody to help me :(
[12:46] <topyli> tarzeau: you have a server running?
[12:46] <tarzeau> topyli: there's one running here: http://codespeak.net:8050/bub-n-bros.html?join=<IP_ADDRESS>%3A8000%2F0x4b08&time=1115548657.8
[12:48] <topyli> tarzeau: hrm. i paste that to the dialog, but i return to the start page
[12:49] <tarzeau> topyli: you gray dragon?
[12:49] <tarzeau> topyli: go to metaservers on internet play
[12:50] <onno> on gnome you also have something as Super-karamba. What is the name and how does it work?
[12:50] <topyli> tarzeau: server list page has two servers...
[12:52] <tarzeau> topyli: the bottom one
[12:52] <sascha_> hi, is anybody here who can help with squid and dansguardian?
[12:53] <topyli> tarzeau: ok, now i have a black gameplay window
[12:53] <tarzeau> topyli: try to join, we are 3 players!
[12:56] <oldboy> what is the best Windows Manager?
[12:57] <merriam> oldboy: in what way?
[12:57] <ompaul> oldboy, the best window manager is the one that suits you, my own preference is for gnome, but your needs may be different
[12:57] <oldboy> I want something that is flashy yet functional
[12:58] <oldboy> I am not worried about it using system resources
[12:58] <thoreauputic> oldboy: KDE or Enlightenment :)
[12:58] <oldboy> thank you
[12:58] <gssai> hi
[12:58] <merriam> metacity looks good and is easy and reliable.  sawfish has more features.
[12:59] <gssai> who know channel of ubuntu korean
[12:59] <ompaul> oldboy, try them all
[12:59] <thoreauputic> ompaul: hehe - well he likes flashy ;)
[01:00] <oldboy> Nice
[01:00] <ompaul> oldboy, if you use thunderbird for mail, and firefox for browsing you will not stuck with any one wm
[01:00] <oldboy> does Enlightenment come with the dock?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> Enlightenment is pretty impressive the first time you see it, but I wouldn't want to live there :)
[01:00] <ompaul> afterstep for the best docking around
[01:00] <oldboy> thats the one based on NeXt right?
[01:00] <ompaul> oldboy, correct
[01:00] <thoreauputic> oldboy: not a dock as such, although you could add one I guess
[01:01] <oldboy> how does one add a Dock?
[01:01] <oldboy> I have seen a lot of Linux screenshots with an OSX style dock
[01:01] <mmichelli> has anyone installed the puredata package?
[01:01] <thoreauputic> oldboy: one googles and finds a dock one likes :)
[01:02] <ompaul> oldboy, then one installs it and one sees is it the doc you are looking for or yet another jedi trick
[01:02] <thoreauputic> oldboy: the xfce4 DE has a thing that looks a bit like a mac dock, or there's gdesklets (shudder)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> or superkaramba
[01:02] <mmichelli> do you think beagle is worth while installing?
[01:03] <rookie22> hi
[01:03] <ompaul> lo
[01:03] <mark> newbie question
[01:03] <chronos> hello
[01:04] <mark> when a restricted package is unpackaged and installed, where does it go
[01:04] <ivoks> yeah!
[01:04] <ivoks> no more spam :)
[01:04] <rookie22> auch deutschsprahige unterwegs?
[01:04] <chronos> i got a problem as well. i just got ubuntu or linux for 1 day...and i cant get mp3 support. how does it work?
[01:04] <chronos> ja hier.
[01:04] <thoreauputic> mark: type dpkg -l <packagename> | grep bin
[01:04] <rookie22> hallo
[01:04] <chronos> aber ich hab keine ahnung.
[01:04] <ivoks> chronos ubuntuguid.org
[01:04] <rookie22> das ist gut
[01:05] <ivoks> chronos ubuntuguide.org
[01:05] <rookie22> ich auch nicht+
[01:05] <thoreauputic> mark: or try whereis <nameof app>
[01:05] <chronos> k thx.
[01:05] <mmichelli> chronos: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:05] <chronos> k thx again.
[01:05] <merriam> mark: dpkg -L
[01:05] <merriam> not -l
[01:05] <sascha_> hi, anybody can help with quid and dansguardian?
[01:05] <sascha_> erm....squid
[01:05] <chronos> hey rookie22 hast du ahnung von linux?
[01:05] <rookie22> kann mir jemand helfen, bekomme keine internetverbindung
[01:05] <thoreauputic> merriam, mark, oops yes -L
[01:06] <rookie22> ber wlan
[01:06] <merriam> mark: that's after installing it.
[01:06] <mmichelli> can anyone recommend a good Internet, game?
[01:06] <ivoks> bzflag
[01:06] <ivoks> armagetron
[01:06] <ivoks> acmericas army etc
[01:06] <ivoks> wesnoth
[01:07] <merriam> mmichelli: freeciv
[01:07] <mmichelli> merriam: thanks
[01:07] <ivoks> bzflag man
[01:07] <merriam> freeciv is mostly turn-based, not real time.  ivoks' suggestions are real time.
[01:08] <mark> all: kudos, it works
[01:08] <ivoks> wesnoth is turn-based too
[01:08] <merriam> ah
[01:09] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hey, whatis the best TV viewer for ubuntu ?
[01:09] <mmichelli> merriam: GTK or Xaw3d
[01:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> device viewer shows it has picked up a bt878 device
[01:10] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> so I figure it should work
[01:10] <merriam> mmichelli: freeciv is both.
[01:10] <mark> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:10] <mark> where does the xorg-driver-fglrx directory reside in?
[01:12] <yahalom> can someone plz help me configure rp-pppoe?
[01:13] <ivoks> yahalom pppoeconf
[01:13] <Scorpion> how do i install "et-linux-2.60.x86.run" ?
[01:13] <ivoks> Scorpion run it
[01:13] <fsapo> morning :)
[01:13] <ivoks> sh et-...
[01:14] <yahalom> ivoks: should i log out of my cable before setting it up?
[01:14] <ivoks> yahalom no... leave it in
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom then it will autodetect modem on ur ethernet
[01:15] <mmichelli> puredata, anyone?
[01:15] <merriam> mark: same answer.  -L
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: all i need to do is set that up? i already did adsl-setup will that affect it?
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom adsl-setup?
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: i'm using now a cable modem, not my adsl
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom u donwloaded rpppoe? :)
[01:15] <yahalom> ivoks: yes
[01:15] <ivoks> yahalom apt-get install pppoeconf
[01:15] <fsapo> hi there.. anyone knows a chess game to play against the computer instead of 3dchess? =]
[01:16] <yahalom> ivoks: i'll try and be back :) thanx man
[01:16] <ivoks> yahalom ubuntu allready has rp-pppoe, it's called pppoe with pppoeconf as configuration utility
[01:16] <ivoks> yahalom connect modem to ethernet and run pppoeconf
[01:16] <ivoks> u can;t miss
[01:16] <yahalom> ivoks: thanx
[01:16] <thoreauputic> fsapo: install xboard
[01:17] <fsapo> thoreauputic, thanx.. let me try :)
[01:17] <thoreauputic> fsapo: it tends to eat your cpu for breakfast, so be aware of that ;)
[01:18] <ivoks> yeah
[01:18] <fsapo> thoreauputic, but can i play against the computer?
[01:18] <ivoks> and it allways wins :(
[01:18] <thoreauputic> fsapo: yes
[01:18] <fsapo> ivoks, hehe i dont wanna win anyway.. i wanna practice.. and i m really really bored =/
[01:18] <ivoks> in old days, man could acctually win 386 or even 486
[01:18] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I thought it was just me that it always beat ;)
[01:19] <ivoks> but now... no way :)
[01:19] <fsapo> =]
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> anyone know how to get a TV device (bt878) to work without any pain? :)
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I loaded xawtv, but all I see is black
[01:19] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> device manager shows that it has bt878 drivers loaded for it
[01:19] <ivoks> try tvtime
[01:19] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, no pain no gain :)
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, heh
[01:20] <sascha_> hmmm, squid works. CAnt use the browser anymore *hwap*
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ubuntu is meant to strive for painless right? :)
[01:20] <ivoks> :)
[01:20] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu no
[01:20] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu it strives to be great...
[01:20] <ivoks> pain is normall feeling with linux
[01:20] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> heh
[01:21] <sascha_> enlighment is the preferred feeling with Linux
[01:21] <thoreauputic> hahah @ ivoks :D
[01:21] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> i've gotten used to mac os x lately... feeling is "mmm, perty".. and that it just works, heh
[01:21] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu i hate it
[01:21] <mark> merriam: got it, forgot that it was a package, thought it was a directory
[01:21] <ivoks> az[a] zel_ubuntu a lot of things don't work and are badly designed
[01:21] <Scorpion> ivoks how do i run it? when dblclick it opens gedit
[01:22] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, it take some time to get used to the linux way ;)
[01:22] <mark> merriam: no wonder i was mainly ignore =) , thx
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> ivoks, works for me :)
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, i've spent more time in linux than on mac os x, heh
[01:22] <ivoks> Scorpion don't double click
[01:22] <ivoks> Scorpion open terminal and type sh et...
[01:22] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, ibook is a fairly recent addition
[01:22] <daft> I want to strip down the umbutu live cd and alter it for own use nfs home system and stuff  what can I remove from the tree easely
[01:22] <ivoks> try setting up printer from non-mac printer server - no way
[01:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> yeah i've had problems doing that at uni
[01:23] <fsapo> az[a] zel_ubuntu, =]  btw i just have one box.. and one os.. ubuntu thats all
[01:23] <verden01> Is there a howto to install ATI drivers
[01:23] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> fsapo, i like to play with different systems
[01:23] <ivoks> and that idiotic thing with AFP, SMB, CIFS and NFS in same place is... well.. idiotic :)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> fsapo: BTW you will need gnuchess installed too
[01:24] <fsapo> thoreauputic, k i ll install it.. but my azureus is sucking my bandwidth.. its downloading the packages @ 350bps haha
[01:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> what's the default TV for australia? just PAL ?
[01:24] <ivoks> and what about that safari?
[01:24] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> safari is ok.. loads fast, and rss feed has nice interface
[01:24] <thoreauputic> az[a] zel_ubuntu: PAL is it I believe
[01:24] <ivoks> it's apples browser and it don't even support all macosx gui shourtcuts
[01:30] <ivoks> well... bye alll
[01:30] <ivoks> time for lunch :)
[01:30] <ivoks> and F1 :)
[01:31] <fsapo> lol
[01:31] <fsapo> thoreauputic, lost in 3 minutes O_o
[01:33] <thoreauputic> fsapo: the idea is to think ;-)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> fsapo: but it's a pretty high-powered opponent!
[01:33] <fsapo> thoreauputic, i ve made one careless move and it got me with the queen :( but is good for training..
[01:33] <thoreauputic> indeed
[01:35] <cam> not an ubuntu specific question but, is there a way to make 'top' sort processes according to their memory (RES) usage?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> fsapo: maybe you could slow it down by trying to play while compiling something *big* heheh - here it uses 99% CPU all the time
[01:35] <resiak> cam: man top ? :)
[01:35] <jedipottsy> what popular games are there for linux? without using cedega?
[01:35] <cam> resiak: i couldn't find anything about it
[01:35] <fsapo> thoreauputic, hehe good ideia :)
[01:35] <jedipottsy> first person shooter mainly - i am 63bit, but im chrooting now
[01:36] <fsapo> thoreauputic, i will play when i put some movie to encode
[01:36] <amichai> great my adsl works. one thing. it gets stuck at ntp synchronization, as if its not connecting, but finallay when it gives up checking and loads up ubuntu i'm connected, any ideas?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> fsapo: or renice it to +20 maybe ;)
[01:36] <fsapo> amichai, i just turned that off
[01:36] <amichai> fsapo: how?
[01:36] <fsapo> amichai, hum.. let me remenber hehe
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: u move the file out?
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: so u also had issues with ntp?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> amichai: man update-rc.d :)
[01:37] <fsapo> amichai, you will need to find the file in the /etc/init.d/ and just delete or move somewhere
[01:37] <amichai> thoreauputic: ? :)
[01:37] <amichai> fsapo: ok
[01:37] <thoreauputic> fsapo: update-rc.d does that for you
[01:37] <fsapo> amichai, yes cause it aways tried to syncronize without starting the adsl conection
[01:38] <amichai> thoreauputic: just type that?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> fsapo: update-rc.d is pretty easy
[01:38] <thoreauputic> amichai: read the man page first - it's very short
[01:38] <fsapo> thoreauputic, didnt know it hehe i just remove the script from the /etc/init.d/ hehe
[01:39] <Arnald> anyone know why Ubuntu runs at 1280x800 under qemu, when X is set up to be 1280x1024 ?
[01:39] <amichai> thoreauputic: nice one, so i can move ntp down so that adsl will connect first?
[01:39] <thoreauputic> amichai: something loke ` update-rc.d ntpdate remove `
[01:39] <thoreauputic> *like
[01:39] <Arnald> cam <SHIFT M>
[01:40] <jedipottsy> how do i install doom 3 on 64bit ubuntu? its open gl so i wont need cedega - ryt?
[01:40] <thoreauputic> amichai: I just run ` sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart` wevery now and then
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: what does that do?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> amichai: if you want it to load last or on gnome startup you can probably add it to .gnomerc I think
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: the restart that is
[01:41] <thoreauputic> amichai: it jst runs the script and resynchronises the time
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: i lost my gnome :( i installed kde and my gnome didnt like it and left me
[01:41] <amichai> thoreauputic: seriously i can find it
[01:42] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm... have you tried startingit from a tty with ` startx /usr/bin/gnopme-session` ?
[01:42] <thoreauputic> bleh - typos
[01:42] <thoreauputic> gnome-session
[01:43] <amichai> thoreauputic: no. i tried making a new gnome.desktop and moving it into xsessions
[01:44] <amichai> thoreauputic: where can i see what the exact name for the ntpudate script is?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you install the gtk-qt engine? That caused troubles here
[01:44] <amichai> thoreauputic: i just installed kubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <thoreauputic> amichai: try looking in /etc/init.d for the script - but if you use update-rc.d ntpdate remove I think it  should work
[01:46] <amichai> thoreauputic: ah the remove comes afterward. oh well
[01:46] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you choose kdm or gdm ?
[01:47] <thoreauputic> amichai: either way, gnome-session should be in the sessions dialogue in theory...
[01:47] <amichai> thoreauputic: thats a problem. i dont remember choosing anythin. and until yesterday i had gdm, and this morning kdm showed up, and my xsessions restarts once in a while
[01:47] <foxiness> what is the best book store "linux-boot" on the net "and fast"?
[01:47] <foxiness> sorry linux-book
[01:48] <thoreauputic> amichai: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall gdm and see what happens. You might need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[01:49] <thoreauputic> amichai: else try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: its doing that
[01:49] <thoreauputic> one or the other...
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[01:49] <amichai> thoreauputic: does that mean gdm took over?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm - probably
[01:50] <thoreauputic> log out to see
[01:50] <amichai> thoreauputic: ok
[01:50] <thoreauputic> you may have to run /etc/init.d/gdm start
[01:50] <thoreauputic> or restart
[01:52] <[muttox] > anyone here reakon they could help me with sound problems for an sblive?
[01:53] <jolteon> hello , i am new to ubuntu (used slackware before) my problem is i cant start gaim in the terminal it says "Display not set" or something like that , help plz
[01:55] <merriam> jolteon: Does it mean DISPLAY?  echo $DISPLAY
[01:55] <amichai> thoreauputic: can u do me a favor boet. can u gedit /etc/usr/xessions/gnome.desktop copy its contents and post it on pastebin.com? plz. i think i have the wrong settings.
[01:56] <amichai> thoreauputic: i adapted them from kde.desktop
[01:56] <shadeofgrey> how do i get totem to play DVD's again?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> amichai: hmm - hang on a sec
[01:56] <Orph> hi.
[01:56] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx
[01:57] <estra> can somebody help me with a logitech quickcam express, it works fine, but i got blue images
[01:57] <AndyR> anyone here going to http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/
[01:57] <thoreauputic> amichai: no such file exists on my system
[01:58] <shadeofgrey> thor:  how do i enable DVD playbavck in totem again?
[01:58] <estra> and I can't get images if I wan't live streaming out of the window
[01:58] <amichai> thoreauputic: really? so how do u get gnome on ur menu?
[01:59] <merriam> esher: I don't know the software.  Doesn't your camera work with the built-in software for stills?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> amichai: looking
[01:59] <estra> it works fine, i use spca5xx driver and i use motion
[02:00] <amichai> thoreauputic: k
[02:00] <estra> if i put the camera outside the house
[02:00] <thoreauputic> amichai: I think it's /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.desktop
[02:00] <estra> i get blue pictures or completely white pics
[02:00] <thoreauputic> looking now
[02:00] <amichai> thoreauputic: right, prob,my typo .sry
[02:01] <[muttox] > anyone have experience getting an sblive card working with ubuntu?
[02:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: looks like the one, I'll paste it for you
[02:02] <jolteon> merriam it says gdk-critikal
[02:02] <merriam> estra: I haven't seen that problem.  Can the pictures be adusted with gimp?
[02:02] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx
[02:02] <estra> gimp???
[02:02] <shadeofgrey> thor:  dvd playback in totem?
[02:03] <estra> merriam i come private
[02:03] <merriam> jolteon: DISPLAY should be set...
[02:03] <joha> Hi all!
[02:03] <joha> How do you change Ubuntu from English to German?
[02:04] <fsl> why are most packages outdaed?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> amichai: http://pastebin.com/281232
[02:04] <tarzeau> fsl: for example which?
[02:04] <fsl> firefox
[02:05] <thoreauputic> shadeofgrey: sorry, rather busy atm
[02:05] <fsl> and gnome
[02:05] <amichai> thoreauputic: thanx man. man, do u know how to stop my isp from overwriting my dns settings? i dont want my isps too slow
[02:05] <thoreauputic> amichai: no, I don't know that one: I guess you could write a one-line script to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[02:06] <jolteon> merriam,  i think that too but i dont know where to do that
[02:06] <amichai> thoreauputic: lol no wonder my gnome doesnt work. i have two lines
[02:06] <shadeofgrey> thor:  its alright.  im just going to install vlc
[02:06] <fsl> so how where do i get an updated sources.list?
[02:07] <thoreauputic> amichai: most of those lines are localisation stuff - only a few are relevant
[02:07] <aleitner_> does anybody know how i can add handlers for custom protocols in gnome?
[02:07] <kyncani> joha: run base-config i'd say
[02:07] <joha> kyncani: Thanks!
[02:07] <aleitner_>  /usr/share/services/ seems to not influence gnome apps
[02:09] <merriam> jolteon: It should be set if you start gaim from the menu.
[02:09] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: I think you need to use the gconf editor
[02:09] <shadeofgrey> whats my DVD known as in dev if its the second, and a DVD disk?
[02:10] <rwabel> hi
[02:10] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: you might need to add a protocol there - I forget the exact place
[02:10] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: i see. will search
[02:10] <rwabel> I've made a big mistake in visudo. I can now no longer use sudo with my username. Is there a way to change it back?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> rwabel: boot into recovery mode, and edit it from there ( you should be root in recovery mode)
[02:12] <ThomasWinwood> Guhhhhh. 3840 bytes per second from backports. ><
[02:12] <rwabel> thoreauputic: thanks
[02:12] <merriam> jolteon: DISPLAY=:0 gaim
[02:13] <thoreauputic> amichai: any luck?
[02:13] <amichai> thoreauputic: this is insane every two minutes its overwriting my dns, i tried making it non writeable, i tried editing /etc/dhcmp3/dhcmp.conf but it still does it
[02:13] <thoreauputic> every 2 minutes??
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: havent logged out yet
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: maybe every 5
[02:14] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: there is indeed something (/desktop/url-handlers ) but neither firefox nor epiphany seem to care about those entries ...
[02:14] <thoreauputic> I see
[02:14] <amichai> thoreauputic: often
[02:14] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: hmm.. unfortunately I forget which section I had to edit
[02:15] <neofeed> is it possible to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[02:15] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: but it was in gconf?
[02:15] <Seveas> neofeed, possible but awfully sifficult
[02:15] <Seveas> neofeed, you shouldn't upgrade at all now
[02:15] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: yes, but this was a long time ago on gnome 2.4 I think
[02:15] <neofeed> Seveas, too late .... :)
[02:15] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: I'm sure it's doable though
[02:15] <amichai> thoreauputic: i apt-get dnsmasq, but i dont know how  that would help
[02:15] <neofeed> Seveas, the only problem I got is that the gimp-cups driver don't work...
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: ohh. ok, on 2.4 i could do it too (;
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: iirc there was even control-center support for it then. but in 2.10 that seems to be all gone
[02:16] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: which protocol ?
[02:16] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: ed2k (;
[02:16] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: yes, in some ways gm=nome is going backwards
[02:16] <aVeedo> There a new #coding channel at HTS.org and they want people who can, specifically, code.
[02:16] <thoreauputic> *gnome
[02:17] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: overall i am pretty pleased. its a huge project. i guess some regressions are unavoidable
[02:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: did you get gdm back?
[02:17] <bob2> aVeedo: that's awesome but off-topic
[02:18] <amichai> thoreauputic: yeah i reconfigured and chose kdm, why i wont be able to have gnome with kdm?
[02:18] <darkaudit> aleitner_: such as the file-roller directory selection bug... it's been fixed upstream, but doesn't look to be fixed in Hoary
[02:18] <Orph> I ordered some ubuntu CDs... sure is taking a long time. heh
[02:18] <thoreauputic> amichai: oh - you can have it
[02:18] <bob2> Orph: did you order them before hoary came out?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> amichai: but that file I pasted for you is for gdm I think (maybe it's for both, I don't know)
[02:19] <Orph> it was maybe a week or two ago
[02:19] <darkaudit> one would think that significant usability bugs would be updated when fixed
[02:19] <jolteon> merriam, if i write "DISPLAY=:0 gaim" in the terminal it it starts gaim in gnome but i want to start it in the terminal,
[02:19] <Orph> I know next to nothing about linux...
[02:20] <bob2> Orph: then you'll have a few more weeks to wait
[02:20] <dLx> why my internet too slow?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> jolteon: how can you start an X app in a terminal?
[02:20] <bob2> darkaudit: is there an ubuntu bug about it?
[02:20] <Orph> I just have some spare PCS laying around, so I considered using linux on them, and ubuntu had alot of good word out ther.e
[02:20] <darkaudit>  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[02:21] <darkaudit> um... that one :)
[02:21] <dLx> help me !! why my internet connection in ubuntu too slow?
[02:21] <ThomasWinwood> How do I reset my panel to how it was at installation?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> dLx: are you on dialup?
[02:21] <bob2> dLx: a) you need to be less vague. b) don't demand help from complete strangers.
[02:21] <fsl> so how where do i get an updated sources.list?
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: what do you mean "updated"?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> fsl: if you have a hoary list that works, that's it
[02:22] <jolteon> merriam, o i thougt it was the same as irssi, is there any program so i can run msn in the terminal??
[02:22] <fsl> thoreauputic, i have the old ubuntu warty warthog or something
[02:22] <ompaul> Orph, go for it
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: wiki.ubuntuc
[02:22] <dLx> i`m not on dial-up
[02:22] <bob2> fsl: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: well, if you want more up to date apps, you need to upgrade to hoary
[02:23] <jolteon> merriam, thx for helping me =)
[02:23] <fsl> wtf?
[02:23] <dLx> i`m on broadband connection...
[02:23] <fsl> i need to reinstall?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: no
[02:23] <ThomasWinwood> How did you read "upgrade" as "reinstall"?
[02:23] <bob2> fsl: of course not
[02:23] <thoreauputic> fsl: you need to do a dist-upgrade
[02:24] <aleitner_> thoreauputic: got it. needs to be entered via about:config in either firefox or epiphany
[02:24] <bob2> fsl: this is a real operating system, you upgrade on the fly.  read the wiki page I pointed you at.
[02:24] <ompaul> fsl, loose that thinking now :-) this is Linux not some other stuff
[02:24] <thoreauputic> aleitner_: aha !
[02:25] <Liverman> anybody here knows how to change the character encoding in ubuntu ?
[02:25] <amichai> thoreauputic: ok its on my login menu now but when i login i get this error" /usr/bin/gnome-session not found
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: oops
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: do i need to copy gnome.desktop to there too?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: no
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: reinstall gnome?
[02:26] <[muttox] > anyone had experience getting a sblive to work under the emu10k1 driver?
[02:26] <amichai> thoreauputic: on xfce i can see all my gnome apps
[02:26] <thoreauputic> amichai: what does ` which gnome-session` return ?
[02:27] <thoreauputic> amichai: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:27] <bob2> [muttox] : works out of the box
[02:27] <amichai> thoreauputic: come again
[02:27] <amichai> thoreauputic: i should. i mean this is ubuntu not kubuntu
[02:27] <thoreauputic> amichai: type `which gnome-session` and tell what it says, if anything
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: blank
[02:28] <thoreauputic> amichai: you might have uninstalled ubuntu-desktop - it's a metapackage
[02:28] <thoreauputic> try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:28] <amichai> thoreauputic: wow! it really is gone
[02:29] <amichai> thoreauputic:its installing the whole thing again
[02:29] <merriam> jolteon: probably.  I don't know msn.
[02:29] <amichai> thoreauputic: i didnt remove it man
[02:29] <darkaudit> argh...  It's highly annoying.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if you installed, for example, totem-xine, it might have removed ubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <neofeed> does anyone run breezy with gimp-print driver?
[02:30] <yahalom> thoreauputic: i did install totem-xine
[02:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: well, see if reinstalling ubuntu-desktop restores your gnome settings
[02:31] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I suspect it will
[02:32] <yahalom> thoreauputic: ok
[02:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: most of the stuff should be already there so it shouldn't be a big download
[02:33] <thoreauputic> in fact it should all be there locally unless you deleted your apt cache archive
[02:37] <AzMoo> What do I need to install for the JRE?
[02:38] <mindmedic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[02:38] <jacquesmerde> hey, i see that ubuntu has a lovely gui tool for setting up shared folders over NFS. is there an equivalent tool for ACCESSING shared folders over NFS?
[02:38] <mindmedic> try gnome network browser
[02:40] <jacquesmerde> mindmedic, is that the thing that's part of nautilus? or is it something i have to install?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: have you looked at the connect to server dialogue ?
[02:41] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, not yet. i guess there's more going on under the hood than i first guessed
[02:41] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: but in any case once you have NFS set up you can just browse to the mountpoint...
[02:42] <jacquesmerde> yeah , its setting UP NFS that i've never done before. i guess it will be educational
[02:43] <mindmedic> jacquesmerde, look in the locations menu... and read the gnome help... it will teach you how to get the most out of gnome
[02:43] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, can you just tell me which package(s) i need to install so i can just follow the standard nfs how-to. there's nfs-common (with portmap as its obvious dependency). but do i need one of the extra server packages as well?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: for a server you need nfs-kernel-server
[02:44] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: at least that's what I use
[02:44] <jacquesmerde> i haven't looked at gnome help for ages. last time i looked at it it was almost as bad as windows help. i use xfce4 mainly anyway
[02:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok it works.
[02:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: aha!
[02:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic, only issue now is that i get an error once logged in
[02:45] <thoreauputic> \o/
[02:45] <yahalom> thoreauputic, error activating XKB configuation
[02:45] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thats what i was afraid of. i figure ANY package with the word `kernel' in it is going to be well out of my ability to use
[02:45] <thoreauputic> yahalom: and the error is?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not so
[02:45] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, do i have to reboot to use it?
[02:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: I'll give you a URl, hang on
[02:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic, any idea?
[02:46] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, cheers, i love to RTFM, its just that i can never FTFM
[02:46] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i changed my keyboard driver to kbd, could that be it?
[02:46] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[02:46] <kazuhiro`> evening
[02:46] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: quite readable and useful
[02:47] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't know
[02:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok thanx. u helped a lot :)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the key files are /etc/exports , /etc/hosts , /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny
[02:48] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: and you don't have to reboot, just restart the various services
[02:49] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: but be sure you enable portmap listening on interfaces other than <IP_ADDRESS> ( which is the security default)
[02:50] <norro> hi, i just noticed, that my lan connection is only 10mbit, although it should be 100mbit. can you tell me, where to configure it? i can't find it
[02:50] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: there's a line that needs uncommenting in /etc/defaults/portmap, from memory
[02:51] <bob2> dLx: don't /msg people
[02:51] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thats the how-to i already had. i assume all the things you just mentioned will be in the how-to already, yeah?
[02:51] <thoreauputic> bob2: you too? I already told him... :/
[02:52] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, i was just worried that that wierd package might mean i have to do something other than just follow the how-to.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: pretty much, althoughit isn't "debian centred"
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the nfs-kernel-server enables your box to act as a server, that's all
[02:53] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: other distributions probably call it nfsd or similar
[02:55] <fsapo> anyone here uses avidemux?
[02:56] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, so do i have to replace the command nfsd with something?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: umm... not sure what you mean. To restart the daemon use /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart I think
[02:57] <thoreauputic> with sudo, of course
[02:57] <G`StarDust> New to this channel.... I hope it's ok to just blurt out a question out of the blue and get a reply... =)
[02:58] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: yup
[02:59] <G`StarDust> Cool. Well I have an old PowerBook
[02:59] <G`StarDust> I was wondering if it can handle ubuntu
[02:59] <kazuhiro`> Any one know how to get java jre working in firefox on amd64?
[02:59] <G`StarDust> PowerBook G3 Series II 333Mhz 64MB RAM
[02:59] <G`StarDust> No not Series II
[03:00] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: not really enough RAM
[03:00] <G`StarDust> A Lombard
[03:00] <CarinArr> hey, quick question.. i seem to have problems mounting floppy's that were formatted in windows
[03:00] <G`StarDust> There's no older version that I could use?
[03:00] <CarinArr> the filesystem type in fstab is set to auto, does anyone know how i can make ubuntu read them?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> CarinArr: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /your/mountpoint
[03:01] <thoreauputic> CarinArr: try changing fstab to vfat instead of auto
[03:01] <CarinArr> okay
[03:02] <CarinArr> cool that works
[03:02] <CarinArr> thanks
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: to use gnome you need about 128MB RAM. Else you could try a "server" install and specify a different window manager/ desktop like xfce or fluxbox etc
[03:03] <G`StarDust> Ok
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: or try Debian's ppc version of Sarge
[03:04] <G`StarDust> Yeah, I've heard about fluxbox. That's what people have been recomending me.
[03:04] <shinu> hey!
[03:04] <jeroen_> hey!
[03:04] <thoreauputic> G`StarDust: it's quick and light :)
[03:04] <shinu> what do i have to install to have no major problems with compiling programs from source?
[03:04] <shinu> there was some kind of package i think...
[03:04] <jeroen_> well, maybe... a compiler?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Shinjan: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:04] <G`StarDust> Thanx for the help *idle*
[03:04] <exalted> s.a.
[03:05] <kazuhiro`> Is there a java plugin for ubuntu 64bit for firefox?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> oops, I meant shinu
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: :D
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: thanks :D noticed that one :)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shinu: got it?
[03:05] <shinu> thoreauputic: yuh thanks :D
[03:05] <jedipottsy> get 32bit firefox
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Shinjan: lazy tab completion
[03:05] <jedipottsy> can someone help me get ut2004 64bit working?
[03:06] <thoreauputic> oops again
[03:06] <jedipottsy> i downloaded the demo, and i have installed it, but it wont run
[03:06] <darkaudit> argh... f-in tape delay CBS :(
[03:06] <shinu> thoreauputic: hahaha! :D
[03:06] <jedipottsy> i go to load it, and it comes up with the "loading ut2004" thing, but the game doesnt start
[03:07] <thoreauputic> shinu, your nick completes to that unless I type the whole thing :)
[03:07] <shinu> thoreauputic: or you hit tab a few times xD
[03:08] <Myrtti> is there any way of getting Sound Juicer read audio CD faster and ripping it faster too?
[03:08] <jeroen_> kazuhiro`: there's no java for 64-bit
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_03-b07)
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_03-b07, mixed mode, sharing)
[03:09] <kazuhiro`> you mean no plugin for firefox?
[03:09] <brosio> jeroen_, thera many version of java
[03:09] <brosio> 64 bit
[03:10] <brosio> don't say stupid thing
[03:10] <brosio> Kazuhiro, yes
[03:10] <brosio> u could find it on blackdown.org
[03:10] <kazuhiro`> 32bit  chroot the only way?
[03:10] <brosio> not in offcial repository
[03:10] <brosio> no...
[03:10] <brosio> 64bit
[03:11] <jedipottsy> i did the chroot and install 32bit linux, with flash
[03:11] <kazuhiro`> I have java install no probs, but im after some firefox plugins for internet banking
[03:11] <jedipottsy> but it still crashes when i go to load any site with flash
[03:11] <exalted> the main target of the main repository is to be officially supported or containing all free software available?
[03:11] <brosio> http://www.blackdown.org/
[03:11] <Myrtti> hm
[03:12] <Myrtti> this is horrible, ripping CD's takes an hour?
[03:12] <shinu> anyone can tell me what zlib is?
[03:12] <Myrtti> per CD?
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: official support
[03:13] <neofeed> shinu, zip compression lib
[03:13] <kazuhiro`> brosio, I have java installed, on that link Im not seeing much about plugins though, does the package have 64bit plugins for FF
[03:13] <exalted> jeroen_, thx
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: universe is free, multiverse is non-free
[03:13] <shinu> neofeed: can i just apt-get install zlib?
[03:13] <jeroen_> exalted: restricted has restrictions on it
[03:13] <exalted> jeroen_, so universe repo. is completely free?
[03:14] <neofeed> shinu, try? :)
[03:14] <jeroen_> exalted: As far as I know, yes
[03:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, i just followed the how-to on setting up the server...all i had to do was add a line to /etc/export and list the directory
[03:14] <shinu> neofeed: well it doesnt work xD
[03:14] <tritium_> Myrtti, do you have dma enabled on your CD drive?
[03:14] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, were you saying i need to do more if i'm using ubuntu?
[03:14] <shinu> neofeed: says: cant find package zlib
[03:14] <jedipottsy> is it better to just re-install ubuntu but with 32bit instead of 64bit?
[03:14] <exalted> jeroen_, so main and universe repositories have no problems with restirctions or non-free softwares?
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, apt-cache is your friend
[03:15] <jeroen_> exalted: yes
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, zlib1g - compression library - runtime
[03:15] <exalted> jeroen_, thx
[03:15] <Myrtti> tritium_: I have no idea, to tell you the truth
[03:15] <tritium_> shinu, apt-cache search zlib, and you'll find it.  It's not just "zlib"
[03:15] <neofeed> shinu, zlib-bin - compression library - sample programs
[03:15] <neofeed> zlibc - Uncompressing C Library
[03:15] <shinu> ok..
[03:15] <tritium_> Myrtti, hdparm can tell you, and help you set it if it's not set
[03:16] <shinu> thanks a lot neofeed tritium_ :D
[03:16] <neofeed> y0, welcome dude!
[03:16] <neofeed> scnr
[03:19] <tritium_> shinu, of course :)
[03:19] <Myrtti> dammit
[03:19] <Myrtti> hmmmmh
[03:20] <Nalioth> howdy
[03:23] <Myrtti> I feel so retarded
[03:23] <jeroen_> get help :-/
[03:23] <Myrtti> ok, let's ask then
[03:24] <Myrtti> which one of these things is my CD-ROM drive?
[03:24] <Myrtti> so I can set DMA on with hdparm
[03:24] <Nalioth> we are all retarded in some way
[03:24] <Dew> Now I have gcc 3.3 and 3.4 when I run gcc --version it will show me version 3.3 How do I use gcc 3.4
[03:24] <neofeed> Myrtti, where have you conneced it to?
[03:24] <neofeed> Myrtti, prim master/slave, sec. master/slave?
[03:24] <Myrtti> :->
[03:25] <Myrtti> I guess I'll have to take a look
[03:25] <Myrtti> brb
[03:25] <neofeed> no you don't.
[03:25] <darkaudit> Myrtti: how many CD/dvd drives do you have?
[03:25] <Myrtti> no?
[03:25] <Myrtti> one
[03:25] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: it's most likely to be /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[03:25] <neofeed> Myrtti, what does dmesg | grep CD say?
[03:25] <Myrtti> neofeed: thanks.
[03:25] <neofeed> that should tell you something like /dev/hdc or so...
[03:26] <neofeed> Myrtti, you can also do 'cat /dev/fstab |grep cdrom''
[03:26] <neofeed> that should show you where ubuntu found your cdrom.
[03:26] <Myrtti> ok, so how do I set the hdparm on now that I know where the damn thing is?
[03:26] <Myrtti> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdb ?
[03:27] <neofeed> should do it... (i think)
[03:27] <deus> Where can i find the x11 headers for ubuntu
[03:27] <deus> im using x86_64
[03:27] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: and add an entry in /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:27] <neofeed> deus, in the -dev package
[03:27] <Myrtti> /dev/hdb:
[03:27] <Myrtti>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:27] <Myrtti>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Input/output error
[03:27] <Myrtti>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:27] <neofeed> prolly xorg-dev or so.
[03:27] <deus> I have problems with installing mplayer
[03:27] <Myrtti> lovely
[03:28] <Myrtti> i think I'll go and do something about that conf file
[03:28] <neofeed> Myrtti, you sure /dev/hdb is you cd drive?
[03:28] <darkaudit> Myrtti: try /dev/cdrom instead
[03:28] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, thanks for your help. NFS is working a freakin' treat
[03:28] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: :)
[03:28] <Myrtti> well, that's what the dmesg|grep CD told me
[03:28] <thoreauputic> you're welcome
[03:28] <Myrtti> and /dev/cdrom doesn't work at all, no such file or directory
[03:29] <neofeed> anyone might assist me fixing my damn cups install?
[03:29] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, one question though. since i'm sharing quite a crucial folder. will nfs-kerel-server run automatically on boot each time, or just when it;s started explicitly?
[03:29] <darkaudit> hmm... is it a CD or DVD drive?
[03:29] <Myrtti> plain CD
[03:29] <neofeed> Myrtti, hmm... welll not good...
[03:29] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: it normally starts on boot
[03:29] <neofeed> Myrtti, does 'cat /etc/fstab |grep cdrom' say /dev/hdb too?
[03:30] <benz> how do i change myself to root permissions
[03:30] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you should be OK if you set up the right protestions in /etc/hosts.allow and so on
[03:30] <neofeed> benz, sudo bash
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> neofeed: sudo -s
[03:30] <Myrtti> neofeed: lol
[03:30] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, so by installing nfs-kernel-server, it just put itself in rc.conf under daemons?
[03:30] <Myrtti> cat: /dev/fstab: No such file or directory
[03:30] <neofeed> Myrtti, etc!
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> Myrtti: /etc/fstab
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> not /dev
[03:30] <neofeed> Myrtti, /etc/fstab
[03:30] <benz> neofeed:  i mean permanently
[03:30] <Myrtti> oh
[03:31] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: in debian distros, that would be in /etc/init.d
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, use windows
[03:31] <morlaa> hi
[03:31] <Myrtti> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom0
[03:31] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, my etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny are both empty. if i make the onyl folder listed in exports trivial, does that mean there's no security risk outside that folder?
[03:31] <benz> come on dude
[03:31] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: you can remove it with update-rc.d if you wish
[03:31] <neofeed> Myrtti, hmmm well... if you can't set it... maybe your bios blocks?
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, that wasn't ment to be funny!
[03:31] <jeroen_> benz, you seriously want to log in as root?
[03:31] <neofeed> benz, running root all the time is nuts!
[03:32] <Myrtti> neofeed: could be
[03:32] <jeroen_> benz, that's crazy
[03:32] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, isnt init.d a directory? does ubuntu boot every daemon in /etc/rc.d/ at boot?
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, you can instantiate a root session...
[03:32] <jeroen_> benz, sudo passwd
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: I would recommend you set up your etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny according to the how to
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, for temporary use
[03:32] <benz> no i just want to freaking delete this folder in my desktop
[03:32] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[03:32] <nico> does anyone here have a logitech mx510 mouse
[03:32] <jeroen_> nico, I have mx310
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, so? 'sudo rm -fR ~/Desktop/<foldername>'
[03:32] <benz> WITHOUT doing it by the command like
[03:32] <krusbjorn> yo
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, okay...
[03:32] <benz> why the hell cant i do stuff graphically
[03:32] <neofeed> benz, install midnigt commander
[03:33] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: the "Debian Way (tm)" is a bit different ;)
[03:33] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, nah. i'll live dangerously. actually, i have a fairly strong feeling that since i disabled WEP, my neighbours have been accessing the net through my router
[03:33] <tigermb> hey my nvidia driver works, but when i restart X everything seems to be fine except that the fps is very very slow
[03:33] <neofeed> benz, and then run sudo mc
[03:33] <benz> its a waste of time to type all that when i should just be able to click on the folder, and press DELETE
[03:33] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, got a how-to on how debian handles which daemons it loads and doesnt at startup so i can RTFM?
[03:33] <benz> seriously
[03:33] <jeroen_> benz, you can...
[03:33] <nico> i can't get the scroll ,cruise, buttons to work
[03:33] <jeroen_> seriously
[03:33] <neofeed> benz, go install windows... if you don't want security
[03:33] <benz> ok get off your high horse
[03:34] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: not at hand - but plenty of Debian info linked from debian.org
[03:34] <topyli> kung foo tse say: he who play with root, eventually kill tree
[03:34] <benz> if i wanted to do everything by a command line, i'd have installed SmallLinux
[03:34] <neofeed> benz, mabye you should start questioning yourself how you got a *non-deletable* directory onto your desktop.
[03:34] <jeroen_> benz, pressing delete *does* work...
[03:34] <benz> whats the damn point of a GUI if you gotta do everything command line
[03:34] <tigermb> hey my nvidia driver works, but when i restart X everything seems to be fine except that the fps is very very slow
[03:35] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: also try " apt-cache search debian | grep doc | less  "  ;-)
[03:35] <benz> oh i know
[03:35] <benz> i unpacked a tar in root terminal
[03:35] <jeroen_> ah...
[03:35] <benz> so technically root made it
[03:35] <benz> gay
[03:35] <darkaudit> Myrtti: you wouldn't be using a SATA drive as your main hdd, would you? I had a SATA drive as my only hdd, and I couldn't change any DMA settings on my DVD drive. Once I put in an IDE drive, DMA worked normally...
[03:35] <topyli> benz: so, delete it the same way you made it
[03:35] <jeroen_> right mouse button -> properties -> permissions
[03:35] <neofeed> yea. If you use a root session to create a folder. you have to use a root session to delete it ... or change the permissions
[03:35] <jeroen_> try hat
[03:35] <jeroen_> that
[03:35] <nico> benz create a shortcut for sudo nautilus
[03:36] <benz> permissions are greyed
[03:36] <Myrtti> darkaudit: nope, that's too new hardware for my system
[03:36] <benz> ok
[03:36] <neofeed> jeroen_, since when can a NON root user change permissions on a ROOT owned folder?
[03:36] <neofeed> that would be like a loophole in the PAM
[03:36] <topyli> they can't
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: is your CD ROM old enough to not be capable of dma ?
[03:36] <neofeed> benz, Applicaion-> exec. chown <your username>:<your username> ~ -R
[03:37] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I don't think so
[03:37] <neofeed> ohh benz you should prepend gksudo
[03:37] <benz> still learning here, what do you mean exactly
[03:37] <Myrtti> I'll go an use the google
[03:38] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, gezundheit!
[03:38] <neofeed> benz, as you want to use GUI... you can simply click: 'Appliaions -> Exec command' and enter 'gksudo chown <your user name>:<your user name> ~ -R'
[03:38] <Myrtti> oh furk.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: ? Did I sneeze or something ? *g*
[03:38] <benz> oh ok
[03:39] <neofeed> benz, if you run that. A input box for the root password should appear. and afterwards. everything should be owned by you (in your home directory)
[03:39] <benz> and then how do i remove root permission
[03:39] <neofeed> so as you 'Desktop' is part of your home directory. even the folder ON your desktop is owend by you and you can modify it the way you like.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: or are you just wishing me good health ?
[03:39] <neofeed> benz, chown changes the OWNER ...  the -R runs recursively.
[03:39] <fsl> How do I access my USB Card-reader in Ubuntu?
[03:40] <neofeed> So after you executed that. There is no more *root* owned stuff in your homedirectory.
[03:40] <neofeed> fsl, plug in the USB card reader. plug in a card
[03:40] <neofeed> and see what pops up.
[03:40] <Dew> Now I have gcc 3.3 and 3.4 when I run gcc --version it will show me version 3.3 How do I use gcc 3.4
[03:40] <neofeed> Ubuntu should mostlikely pop it up on your desktop automatically.
[03:40] <neofeed> [GONE]
[03:40] <Myrtti> the damn thing is on the DMA-blacklist
[03:41] <tsume> DMA-blacklist?
[03:41] <benz> its too bad i cant get 3D accelerated drivers
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: ah, well remove it then ;)
[03:41] <benz> without breaking suspend/resume
[03:41] <netmonk> is there a repository from which i can intall the firefox1.1?
[03:42] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, since i have no wep, and no hosts.deny, my neighbours now have some serious access to my machine. since my computers connect to the router via dhcp, i dont know which IP's to block. oh well
[03:42] <tsume> netmonk: apt-cache search firefox
[03:42] <tsume> netmonk: what entry is there, is the only one there :)
[03:42] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22HITACHI+CDR-8435%22+dma&selm=39kvK-6F6-11%40gated-at.bofh.it
[03:42] <benz> jacquesmerde: can's you just do a MAC address filter on the router?
[03:42] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: use a wildcard to block everything outside your lan
[03:42] <fsl> neofeed, nothing pops up
[03:43] <jacquesmerde> benz, theoretically yes. but my laziness if an oft underestimated variable
[03:43] <benz> haha
[03:43] <benz> ok
[03:43] <netmonk> tsume, i meant the latest version, not the ones that comes with hoary
[03:43] <jamesio> how many of you are familiar with systems that have many hard drives?  (10+)
[03:43] <benz> i mean, its probably the most secure thing to do, and easiest as long as you don't have like 30 computers
[03:43] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: note the order in which hosts.allow and hosts.deny are read
[03:43] <tsume> netmonk: you can build it yourself
[03:43] <yonil> how can i open wine full screen ?
[03:43] <jacquesmerde> thoreauputic, how? just add a single * to hosts.deny, and 192.168.1.* and <IP_ADDRESS> to /etc/hosts.allow and learn to trust my neighbours?
[03:44] <ThomasWinwood> Which folder are fonts kept in? Where in the directory tree?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> jacquesmerde: oh - that's a wireless issue: what I know about wep etc would fit comfortably on a postage stamp, sorry
[03:45] <tsume> netmonk: ii  mozilla-firefox                   1.0.2-0ubuntu5                    lightweight web browser based on Mozilla
[03:45] <jacquesmerde> i decided along time ago that i couldnt be bothered paying attention to net security. so i just make sure that i never have anything on my computers i wouldnt mind anything else reading and/or deleting
[03:45] <tsume> netmonk: even breezy has 1.0 still
[03:46] <jamesio> here's my question: what would you suggest for setting up a system that has six 160 gig drives (internal) and seven external 300 gig usb2 drives?  I'd like to stay away from raid if at all possible.
[03:46] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone here confirm a rythmbox bug for me?
[03:47] <benz> does anyone know how i can view/browse a norton ghost backup image in linux?
[03:47] <tsume> jamesio: buy a good hardware raid card
[03:47] <HiddenWolf> jamesio, depends on what you want to do with it.
[03:47] <jamesio> can't do that with external usb2 drives
[03:47] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, advice we (where I used to work) used to give to 99% people, never put something in email you would not mind seeing in the sunday newspapers
[03:47] <tsume> the cards only cost 600-1000 if you get a good one :)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: looks like the kernel devs had a momentary mental blackout :/
[03:47] <ompaul> the other one percent we used to teach to use gpg/pgp
[03:47] <jamesio> well, in windows what I originally did was create a .net program to backup the data from the 6 drives (they were a large software raid) onto the external drives
[03:48] <tsume> software raid stinks
[03:48] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I guess I have slim chances of getting DMA on?
[03:48] <jamesio> but in windows, you can't raid external drives via software raid
[03:48] <jamesio> and you can't raid usb2 drives in hardware...
[03:48] <ThomasWinwood> Where do I find the font folder in the directory tree, and how do I install fonts from another folder?
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: I don't know enough to answer that, sorry
[03:48] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I take that as a yes
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: maybe an older kernel would work?
[03:48] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, i can just imagine the major headline in such a sunday newspaper, "18 year old computer geek sends midly amusing URL to a group of his friends"
[03:49] <netmonk> tsume, i'm using it, but when it's not installed it doesn't automaticly open html files, that's why i was wondering if there was a deb package - i cant' seem to find one
[03:49] <fsl> Anybody here know how to access an USB card-reader?
[03:49] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: could be, but I'd rather not downgrade
[03:49] <Myrtti> fsl: plugging it in has worked for me
[03:49] <Myrtti> :->
[03:49] <fsl> O.o
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: <IP_ADDRESS> seems an OK kernel to me..
[03:49] <ompaul> ThomasWinwood, if you have built the locatedb ?if not run sudo updatedb then find fonts you are using in the relevant app and move the others to that location, its a hack and should work :)
[03:49] <tsume> netmonk: I'd advise you to stop using software raid and get raid card for the drives in the computer
[03:49] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone here help me figure out a rhythmbox bug?
[03:50] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, say it is not so :)
[03:50] <Myrtti> thoreauputic: I think downgrading might not be worthwhile, I use the CD-ROM so seldom
[03:50] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, can you deny it?
[03:50] <Myrtti> like once in two months
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Myrtti: maybe it's fixed in 2.6.12, if you feel like compiling one...
[03:50] <jamesio> tsume, I think you were talking to me on that one.  a hardware raid card won't help me when using external usb2 cards
[03:50] <jamesio> er, drives...
[03:50] <marty> ThomasWinwood: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FontInstallHowto
[03:51] <piLLE> anyone know how to set up an encrypted loop back device? got a problem with losetup: "ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: the argument is not valid"
[03:51] <piLLE> losetup -e xor /dev/lp0 somejunk
[03:51] <benz> whats the advantage of building stuff on your computer
[03:51] <benz> or is there
[03:51] <topyli> not much
[03:52] <jamesio> personally, I'd rather stay away from raid.  I'm trying to determine the best way to set up all 13 drives without using raid, so that I can easily use all the space and use 1/2 the space to backup the other 1/2
[03:52] <benz> can i make windows snap to the edges in Gnome?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> benz: sometimes it's the only way, if no packages are available for what you need
[03:52] <Seveas> jamesio, raid can do that for you..
[03:52] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, actually i run my computer such that i wouldnt mind if my hdd got spontaneously wiped. i keep all my important information etc backed up on gmail. if someone hacks that, i'm screwed
[03:53] <thoreauputic> benz: shift-drag if I remember correctly
[03:53] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> so how am I supposed to add options to a module that is loaded at boottime? (in this case, the bttv module) ?
[03:53] <thoreauputic> benz: something like that anyway
[03:53] <mirak_> hi
[03:53] <ompaul> benz and conversely if it is in a package don't go reinventing the wheel you might break something :)
[03:53] <benz> ah good call
[03:53] <mirak_> I am looking for an anti banners proxy
[03:53] <jamesio> seveas... the problem is that 7 of the drives are external usb2 300 gig drives.  the last thing I want to do is raid them.  if one flakes out, I lose tons of stuff.
[03:54] <benz> haha yeah youre talking to someone who not less than two days ago had been using windows for years
[03:54] <jamesio> benz, me too
[03:54] <darkaudit> benz: personal example... MAME. Ubuntu is still on v. 0.86, when the current version is 0.96. I compiled the new one and installed to /usr/local/bin. Gxmame finds both executables, and gives me the choice which one to use :)
[03:54] <Seveas> jamesio, raid prevents flaking out on disk failure...
[03:54] <benz> so dont worry about me trying to invent anything in linux
[03:54] <thoreauputic> benz, welcome to the Free World ;-)
[03:54] <jamesio> off and on I used gentoo and other linux distros, but windows most of the time
[03:54] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, well, a simple comment, be careful who you trust
[03:54] <benz> you mean, the LEGALLY free world
[03:54] <benz> :P
[03:54] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> i want to add the pal=b option to the bttv module, but im not supposed to edit /etc/modules.conf..
[03:55] <thoreauputic> benz, I refer to Freedom and not price :)
[03:55] <benz> gotcha
[03:55] <Seveas> az[a] zel_ubuntu, edit it as root :)
[03:55] <jacquesmerde> so is there really no quick and simple way in debian just to set a daemon so it isnt started at boot?
[03:55] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Seveas, nah, the top of the file says I shouldn't edit it manually
[03:55] <jamesio> thor, me too.  I had winxp on the machine I'm talking about and decided to pull it off and "bite the bullet" and put ubuntu
[03:55] <topyli> benz: hold shift while you drag a window. it will snap to nearest edge (desktop edge or a nearby window)
[03:55] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Seveas, so I figure there is a "proper" way to add options to modules? or what, I dunno
[03:55] <benz> i got it, thanks
[03:55] <benz> works great
[03:56] <jamesio> after I set up my server, I'm going to move my dual amd 2400 system to ubuntu
[03:56] <thoreauputic> benz,  http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[03:56] <jamesio> the fear I have is that I have 3 monitors and winxp works well with it
[03:56] <benz> the only real thing now is to try and migrate all my windows files and email and appointments over
[03:56] <benz> that is gonna be a bitch
[03:56] <Seveas> az[a] zel_ubuntu, read the manpage for moddutils
[03:56] <topyli> benz: which app holds your information now?
[03:57] <jamesio> anyone here near New Orleans?
[03:57] <morlaa> hi / can someone help me to play my cds ?
[03:57] <benz> i have my hd partitioned
[03:57] <topyli> benz: and what do you want to use on linux?
[03:57] <son> whoever programs in python go to the channel #pyprogrammer
[03:57] <morlaa> i can mount cd/player and burner, but i can not play them
[03:57] <benz> but i had outlook 2003
[03:57] <Seveas> son, don't spam here
[03:57] <morlaa> i edited /ect/hdparm.conf
[03:57] <thoreauputic> morlaa: you can't get sound with CDs ? Is that it?
[03:57] <Seveas> and the python channel is #python
[03:57] <morlaa> no, it just does not play cds
[03:57] <son> i am not spamming
[03:57] <thoreauputic> morlaa: you don't mount audio CDs BTW
[03:57] <morlaa> cdplay says nodisk
[03:58] <morlaa> i know, but i can mount data/cds
[03:58] <Seveas> son, asking people to join another channel is spamming..
[03:58] <topyli> benz: you're right. it's going to be hard, unless you find some conversion script on freshmeat.net or something
[03:58] <son> oh..
[03:58] <morlaa> just audio/cds are not recognised
[03:58] <benz> yeah...ill come back to that later
[03:58] <jacquesmerde> whoever is sick of spammers go to #sonshouseandhurthim
[03:58] <benz> thanks for the help
[03:58] <thoreauputic> morlaa: try using xmms or beep-media-player with digital output
[03:58] <jamesio> ok, first real question: if I'm planning on the system to be a server, would you suggest that I install it using the "server" option?
[03:59] <jamesio> morlaa, check out the new user install script in the forums.  it's a stickie post at the top of the tips forum
[03:59] <morlaa> well, i discovered this problem usring gnomebaker to copy a cd
[03:59] <Seveas> jamesio, the "server" option gives you a minimum install with no gui (and also no server programs), if you have no experience with linux or you simply want a gui: don't use the server option
[03:59] <jamesio> it helped me on a laptop.  it installed everything and I was able to play cds and dvds right away
[03:59] <DanglyBits> is there a way to make a complete backup of ubuntu so if my system goes down I have a full versions of ubuntu on another HD that I can just plug in and i would be gack in business?
[03:59] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, I did but he was not home, there was a sign on the door, back in a few gone spamming
[03:59] <morlaa> the gnomecdplayer also does not work
[04:00] <jamesio> seveas, any issues with the gui locking up after long periods of non-use?
[04:00] <morlaa> although, after i added the dma=on to hdparm.conf and rebooted, now the computer freezes totally when i try the gnome/player
[04:00] <Seveas> jamesio, you meen xscreensaver?
[04:00] <jamesio> the system used to sit in a closet without monitor/mouse/kb and ran for weeks at a time
[04:00] <topyli> ok, we just won F1, now it's hockey time :)
[04:00] <Seveas> morlaa, then disable it again
[04:01] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: there are ways - using the `dd` command for instance
[04:01] <darkaudit> topyli: speak for yourself :p :)
[04:01] <jamesio> seveas, I just mean the gui using more resources than a prompt-only machine
[04:01] <Seveas> gui always uses more resources...
[04:01] <darkaudit> topyli: bastards cancelled the hockey season here :(
[04:01] <morlaa> seveas / then i would be at the beginning, no ?
[04:01] <DanglyBits> thoreauputic: tried that but when i plug it back in in wont boot
[04:01] <LISP> where can i set the ip and so forth?
[04:01] <LISP> i mean txt
[04:02] <jamesio> I know that.  what I'm asking is that if you had any experience with the gui running for weeks at a time... if it'll just lock up (like windows does)
[04:02] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, did you leave some junkmail in his letterbox?
[04:02] <Seveas> jamesio, don't worry about that under linux :)
[04:02] <LISP> furthermore, i want to change the mac at bootup
[04:02] <DanglyBits> thoreauputic: is that something to do with MBR?
[04:02] <LISP> where do i put the command?
[04:02] <topyli> darkaudit: world championships man! fin-can is on
[04:02] <thoreauputic> jamesh: I've had the GUI running for up to seven weeks without issues
[04:02] <LISP> i know the commands
[04:02] <jamesio> ok.  the end result is that I want the system to be a samba server and run rsync to back up the files on it
[04:02] <LISP> just don\t remember the /etc files
[04:03] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: probably - I don't really know, never having tried it
[04:03] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, lots of expired offers
[04:03] <jamesio> and I'll have to investigate freenx
[04:03] <thoreauputic> jamesio: sorry that post was meant for you ^^
[04:04] <Nalioth> jamesio, you may run your box forever (or as long as the power company lets you)
[04:04] <thoreauputic> DanglyBits: I believe you have to dd the whole drive ( hda as opposed to say hda1) or make a separate copy of the mbr
[04:05] <Nalioth> jamesio, however, the more wild and crazy you get with your box, ymmv
[04:05] <jamesio> I plan on installing ubuntu on 4 machines: dell inspiron 8200 [p4m 1.8, 512m, 1600x1200] , compaq presario laptop [cel 700, 512m, 1400x1050] , pseudo-server [cel 2.4, 1 gig, 6x160gig, 7x300 gig, no monitor in the end]  and my desktop [ dual amd 2400, 2 gig, 3 monitors, 1.2ter]
[04:06] <jamesio> and possibly the ibook I just inherited
[04:06] <jamesio> nalioth, that machine is going to be as barebones as possible
[04:06] <jamesio> stability is my goal
[04:07] <ompaul> jamesio start with the desktop that way you will irc and web for the issues with the others :)
[04:07] <jamesio> hehehe... I'm on the ibook right now
[04:07] <jacquesmerde> ompaul, you should have given him a nice picture postcard from some lovely lawyer from nigeria
[04:07] <Nalioth> jamesio, then you should be able to run forever (ILM has a linux box that has been in constant use for over 7 years)
[04:07] <jamesio> just for that reason
[04:07] <Nalioth> jamesio, i am using my iBook also
[04:07] <deus> can you connect to two servers at once?
[04:08] <deus> with irssi?
[04:08] <topyli> deus: sure. use /connect instead of /server
[04:08] <joey_> noob here!
[04:08] <jamesio> funny thing too, I just gave away 6 computers yesterday
[04:08] <topyli> deus: or was it the other way around? i forget
[04:08] <jamesio> best one was a celeron 800, but the room was getting too crowded
[04:09] <son_of_j1> anyone who likes koalas! go to http://savethekoalas.blogspot.com !
[04:09] <ompaul> jacquesmerde, ohh the office number 419 in building 419 district 419 etc?
[04:09] <jamesio> ok, here goes on the system install (on the pseudo-server)
[04:09] <son> anyone who likes koalas! go to http://savethekoalas.blogspot.com
[04:09] <jamesio> should I leave it at ext3 for the 80 gig boot?
[04:10] <ompaul> son that is really spam
[04:11] <topyli> jamesio: ext3 is tried and proven
[04:11] <Nalioth> jamesio, i wonder where i was in line.. .. .. .. :P
[04:11] <jamesio> the one thing that blew me away when I was doing tests is that ubuntu found and used my new gigabit network card without issue
[04:11] <Deffie> hi all, i'am a debian user and i'm getting ubuntu isos for installing in a friend's desktop pc, but he doesnt have a fast internet connection so i was wondering if there are contrib cds with additional stuff
[04:11] <ompaul> jamesio, boot 100 megs is all you will ever need unless you back up every thing you ever run live and intented to keep non working stuff on the box and ext3 is fine
[04:11] <Nalioth> jamesio, ubuntu is the most user friendliest (out-of-the-box) distro i've foune
[04:12] <jamesio> nalioth, I agree
[04:12] <jamesio> I've been telling everyone about it..... and I've only used it for a week
[04:12] <jamesio> and that's in vmware
[04:12] <dv8> hello everybody i'm having the following problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32529  any ideas what to do ?
[04:12] <LISP> ubuntu is good
[04:12] <LISP> but
[04:13] <LISP> it's a bit unstable..
[04:13] <LISP> i'm using it on a amd64....and everything crashes
[04:13] <Seveas> ubuntu is stable
[04:13] <Seveas> run te 32bit version on amd64 and you'll see
[04:13] <ompaul> LISP, I had it doing office stuff on a 64bit machine at a comp show for a couple of days no issues
[04:14] <jamesio> I'm with seveas... I won't be running any 64bit code for a year or so.
[04:14] <LISP> ompaul: i tried to watch a movie in gmpalyer, kaffeine, xine, vlc
[04:14] <LISP> nothing works right
[04:14] <ompaul> LISP, except at the end of the second day when it did not recover after I did rm -rf /
[04:14] <LinasG> I need help with partitions. Parted is buggy :(
[04:14] <LISP> :D
[04:15] <jamesio> ompaul, you really wanted to do that, huh?
[04:15] <ompaul> I did
[04:15] <gert> nederlanders hier?
[04:15] <jamesio> haha.  personally, I get a kick out of running killdisk on machines
[04:15] <Seveas> gert, zeker :)
[04:15] <Seveas> gert, en in #ubuntu-nl nog meer
[04:15] <ompaul> show was over and I was wondering if it would be dead before we had to pull the power
[04:15] <LinasG> my issue with partitions is not simple :(
[04:15] <gert> leek in ubuntu
[04:15] <LinasG> check http://pastebin.com/281270
[04:15] <jamesio> since I work in a medical company, we have to do it... normally I let my guys do it, but I get a kick out of it
[04:16] <Seveas> rm -rf / is nice to do :)
[04:16] <LISP> better dd :D
[04:16] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[04:16] <Deffie> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[04:16] <Seveas> dd -if /dev/null -of /dev/hda :)
[04:16] <Seveas> grm
[04:17] <Seveas> too slow :)
[04:17] <Deffie> :P
[04:17] <Seveas> and bad syntax :)
[04:17] <jamesio> dv8... you should look at the new user install script in the tips forum
[04:17] <dv8> jamesio: i'll take a look right now
[04:17] <jamesio> I ran it on my test box and it installed everything needed for me to run dvds, play cds and mp3s
[04:17] <jamesio> it took about 20 minutes, but it worked perfectly first time
[04:18] <ompaul> LinasG, is the a first time install or what exactly are you trying to do?
[04:18] <jamesio> the java download takes 20 minutes....
[04:18] <jamesio> the rest is fast
[04:18] <LinasG> I was trying to resize partition
[04:18] <gert> join ubuntu-nl
[04:18] <LinasG> not the first time
[04:18] <LinasG> using Ubuntu since 4.10
[04:18] <dv8> jamesio: can you give me a direct link please ?
[04:18] <Seveas> gert, probeer eens /join #ubuntu-nl
[04:18] <Seveas> gertm dat / streepje maakt veel uit :)
[04:18] <jamesio> oh geez... hang on.  I'm on my ibook and don't have it set up
[04:18] <jamesio> hang on
[04:19] <morpheu> hi everybody
[04:19] <LinasG> and I can't fix partitions hda6 and hda7
[04:19] <jordanau> hi
[04:19] <Seveas> ih
[04:19] <LinasG> How could I delete them
[04:19] <morpheu> why the package: kismet. on the ubuntu repositories it's so damn old?
[04:19] <ompaul> LinasG, I would try to delete them but given what is written in there I would nervious enough to back up everything first
[04:19] <dv8> jamesio: if you fix this for me i'll buy you a beer :)
[04:19] <jamesio> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22646
[04:20] <jamesio> there it is... oh, and I don't drink beer
[04:20] <jamesio> I'm more of a long-island-tea kind of guy
[04:20] <LinasG> ompaul, I've tried. No success.
[04:20] <ompaul> LinasG, 'fdisk /dev/hda' type m for help iirc and have fun
[04:20] <DanglyBits> anyone have the kxdocker program running on their kubuntu system?
[04:20] <ompaul> LinasG, you tried what?
[04:20] <LinasG> tried fdisk cfdisk
[04:21] <jamesio> linasg, are you in gnome?
[04:21] <ompaul> LinasG, got your data backed up?
[04:21] <LinasG> I think I'm ok without backup
[04:21] <jamesio> if you are, install gparted.  it's an easy partition manager.
[04:21] <LinasG> I understand the risk
[04:21] <jamesio> you can highlight just the pieces you want to wipe out and do it
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG, understanding is one thing - accepting is another :)
[04:22] <LinasG> gpart is crashing
[04:22] <jamesio> um... ok
[04:22] <LinasG> ok, I can paste the error
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG,  the problem is that both hda6 and 7 have the same addresses
[04:22] <ompaul> LinasG, na just point to the paste bin
[04:23] <LinasG> ompaul, http://pastebin.com/281279
[04:23] <LinasG> How could I correct it? as it's allways crashing
[04:23] <pschulz01> Greetings.. what is the IRC channel for launchpad?
[04:23] <jamesio> pastebin, that's a new one on me
[04:24] <ivoks> yeah! i killed spam :)
[04:24] <ompaul> LinasG, pass it back to the nice parted people
[04:24] <LinasG> any more sugestions how to correct it?
[04:24] <ompaul> LinasG, or to the nice ubuntu people
[04:25] <jamesio> have you tried the livecd?  maybe booting out of the os that it's on could help
[04:25] <ivoks> correct what?
[04:25] <LinasG> heh :) greetings from lithuanian Ubuntu community
[04:25] <dv8> jamesio: you are the man !!! i think the thing i needed was xine-ui
[04:25] <dv8> jamesio: anyway, thanks a lot
[04:25] <jamesio> dv8, glad I could help
[04:26] <jamesio> that script the the $hit
[04:26] <jamesio> er, is the...
[04:26] <LinasG> ivoks,  check http://pastebin.com/281270
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, I am thinking that the table on the drive has been written in a fashion that does not make sence to anything that tries to read it
[04:26] <jamesio> linasg, do you happen to have a second drive?
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, what really puzzles me is that you have hda3 and hda4 there with not data
[04:26] <LinasG> no. just one 40gb
[04:26] <ompaul> LinasG, what really puzzles me is that you have hda3 and hda4 there with no data
[04:27] <dv8> jamesio: i owe a long island tea then :) ... i didn't use the script i just saw what it installs and i figured :) thanks
[04:27] <ompaul> LinasG, I really think you need to press the big red button on that one to get it working again
[04:27] <ivoks> lol
[04:27] <ivoks> i have even better one :)
[04:27] <jamesio> ompaul, that's because 3 and 4 aren't being used because 5 starts at the extended partition set
[04:27] <jamesio> at least that's how it works in nt
[04:28] <jamesio> dv8, no prob.  glad I could help.
[04:28] <ivoks> Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?):
[04:28] <jamesio> linasg, I do have a suggestion... but I'm going to get yelled at for it
[04:28] <ivoks> my partition fdisk can't even read
[04:28] <ompaul> jamesio, not using a zero sized partition is not a problem it is just a funny way to set up a drive
[04:29] <ivoks> LinasG how did u get such a partition table?
[04:29] <jamesio> make a windows boot disk from an xp machine and use it's fdisk to delete those partitions
[04:29] <ivoks> LinasG i know is't possible on PPC, but on i386?
[04:29] <LinasG> I'm on i386, HP Pavilion notebook. No FDD...
[04:30] <ivoks> LinasG u have one primary and one extened partition... ok
[04:30] <ompaul> LinasG, you have a bug (a) report it and live with it until it is fixed (B) report it and nuke the drive start again (C) something else
[04:30] <LinasG> :)
[04:30] <LinasG> I think I'm gona nuke it... damm thing.
[04:31] <ivoks> LinasG why?
[04:31] <mirak_> how to know the port a programm is listening on ?
[04:31] <ivoks> this isn't wrong, guys
[04:31] <Nalioth> jamesio, have you had success running java on PPC?
[04:31] <ivoks> this is ok fdisk output
[04:31] <jamesio> nalioth, haven't tried it yet
[04:31] <ivoks> and ok partition table
[04:31] <ompaul> ivoks, look at the partitions hda6/7
[04:32] <Seveas> mirak_, which program?
[04:32] <ivoks> ompaul well same as hda3/4
[04:32] <LinasG> OK, I'm gonna send bug report, but keep trying to fix it
[04:32] <ivoks> ompaul 0size partitions
[04:32] <ivoks> he should just erase hda6/7 and hda3/4
[04:32] <ompaul> ivoks I hav not problem with 3/4
[04:33] <ompaul> ivoks I have no problem with 3/4
[04:33] <ompaul> ivoks, my issue is with 6/7
[04:33] <ivoks> paritions overlap
[04:33] <ivoks> parted can do that
[04:33] <ivoks> it's crapy app
[04:33] <ivoks> but, it's fisable
[04:33] <ivoks> fixable
[04:33] <deus> Make install wont WORK!
[04:33] <jamesio> gotta love the battery kicking off hibernate
[04:34] <spektr> hmm... turning on dma does not work on my ide disks (HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted). is the hoary kernel compiled without dma-support? (linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7-smp)
[04:34] <mirak_> Seveas: any
[04:34] <deus> ive tried to install mplayer and it wont do with both the cvs and source
[04:34] <ivoks> problem with parted is that it will allow u to do stoopid things
[04:34] <ompaul> ivoks, You found a bug in GNU Parted.  Please email a bug report to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>containing the version (1.6.20), and the following message: <-- LinasG got that as a message
[04:35] <jamesio> ok, the server just finished installing a clean ubuntu
[04:35] <ompaul> ivoks, I have had it blow up on me in the past
[04:35] <ivoks> ompaul why should i report bug? i don't know how did he did this
[04:35] <ivoks> ah..
[04:35] <ivoks> .sorry
[04:35] <ompaul> ivoks, /.
[04:35] <ivoks> misunderstood :)
[04:36] <deus> ,
[04:36] <deus> c,e
[04:36] <deus> clear
[04:36] <deus> dir
[04:36] <elcu> hello, is there any other way to debug crashes other than the system log?  i've had lock-ups when using vi in gnome-terminal in visual mode and highlighting stuff.  i don't know if i keep pressing the wrong button or something, but it seems to highlight all the text below the cursor and then freezes.  it seems to occur randomly.
[04:36] <MM1> hi, is there a way to change the primary soundcard to another soundcard ex : 0,1 tp 0,0 and vice versa?
[04:36] <ivoks> ompaul ./? firefox bug :)
[04:36] <housetier> deus http://housetier.ath.cx/downloads/mplayerconfigure.sh.txt
[04:37] <jacquesmerde> dumbass question, how do i find out how big a directory is, like dos used to tell you at the end of 'dir'?
[04:37] <Seveas> mirak_, try netstat
[04:37] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: with du
[04:37] <Seveas> netstat -l (could be -L) is even better (read the manpage to find out why :))
[04:37] <mirak_> ok
[04:37] <LinasG> filled bug report.
[04:37] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: use man du see options what you can use with it
[04:38] <jacquesmerde> thenuke, cheers. was ahead of you on the man file. not understanding it yet though
[04:39] <thenuke> jacquesmerde: mostlikely you dont need any options, but -h makes it tell the sizes in human readable format
[04:39] <ivoks> lol
[04:39] <ivoks> Sorry, links to Bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled.
[04:40] <jacquesmerde> crikey, 6gig. how long would that take to send wirelessly across a lan via nfs?
[04:40] <ompaul> ivoks, LinasG  I have had parted blow up on me in really horrible ways, I thought I had lost 3 newish hard drives - (less than one month old) by giving them a nuke with some floppy that clears all data from the machine worked for me
[04:41] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, see you tomorrow
[04:41] <ompaul> ivoks the fact that LinasG's software said 'bug' was news for nerds :)
[04:41] <jacquesmerde> Nalioth, so hours not days?
[04:41] <jacquesmerde> we're talking 802.11b here...
[04:41] <elcu> anyone? there must be an alternative error log or something?
[04:41] <ivoks> ompaul :)
[04:42] <ivoks> hm
[04:42] <ivoks>  You are not authorized to access bug #292691.
[04:42] <ivoks> hm
[04:42] <^thehatsrule^> can try gdb for debugging, as a guess
[04:42] <ivoks> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292691
[04:43] <gazzie> anyone using VLC?
[04:43] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, i've sent 2.3g across a b network in about 4 hours
[04:43] <gazzie> i have a dvd playback issue
[04:43] <jamesio> gazzie, what's the issue?
[04:45] <exalted> Uuntu himself installs as default gcc-3.3, i want to upgrade to gcc-4.0, but i think this isn't an upgrade issue, because it isn't considered as an upgrade, but an indipendent install issue. So after installing also gcc-4.0 (which i already did) when i'm trying to remove the "old" gcc-3.3 it tries to remove almost every piece of my system. What can you say about this?
[04:45] <^thehatsrule^> jacquesmerde, should be faster than Nalioth's, since the standard is 10/100MBps
[04:45] <gazzie> when i try to play a DVD with menus
[04:45] <gazzie> VLC just closes
[04:45] <Nalioth> jacquesmerde, yes you should be very quick, if you are wired
[04:45] <ivoks> exalted u aren't removing gcc-3
[04:45] <snugglebunny> I've switched from KDE/Slackware to Gnome/Ubuntu and I'm quite happy apart from one thing. How do you edit the application menu in Gnome. I need to add programs and can't work out where the files for items are stored.
[04:45] <exalted> ivoks, ?
[04:45] <gazzie> and when i do dvdsimple, i can only load 1 episode (like on my 24 discs) and i have no sound
[04:45] <jamesio> exalted, it's a dependency issue.  you're removing the system that ubuntu was compiled with...  almost like taking the tires off of your car
[04:46] <^thehatsrule^> snugglebunny, i believe its .desktop files
[04:46] <Bill^Gates> hi room
[04:46] <^thehatsrule^> lol Bill^Gates
[04:46] <ompaul> we have quality software
[04:46] <ivoks> exalted try this:
[04:46] <Bill^Gates> is mark shuttleworth here?
[04:46] <ivoks> exalted sudo aptitude purge gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4
[04:46] <ThomasWinwood> Bill to the power of Gates? Ironic.
[04:46] <exalted> jamesh, so what should i do? recompile the whole system with the new gcc?
[04:46] <exalted> jamesh, sorry
[04:46] <exalted> that was for jamesio
[04:46] <snugglebunny> aha, /usr/share/applications
[04:46] <exalted> jamesio, that was for you
[04:47] <ivoks> exalted don't remove libstdc++5-3.3
[04:47] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: yes, the menu shortcuts are in /usr/share/applications for gnome, edit an existing one to create a new one
[04:47] <exalted> ivoks, what is it anyway?
[04:48] <snugglebunny> Bill^Gates, Are there any graphical tools available. Slackware may have got me used to text files but I'm suprised there isn't a clean way of doing it
[04:48] <ompaul> in 1976 on January 21 a bunch of lies where written - see the proof, install ubuntu today
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted what? libstdc++?
[04:48] <gazzie> jamesio, any ideas on my problem?
[04:48] <synd> how come backports is so slow?
[04:48] <exalted> ivoks, a complete remove of the gcc removes almost the whole system beside.
[04:48] <jacquesmerde> Nalioth, not wired
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted no
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted remove of libstdc++ remove everything
[04:48] <ivoks> exalted not removal of gcc
[04:49] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: i do this always:  open terminal, su to root, then type gedit /usr/share/applications/application.desktop and then put in the launcher name etc
[04:49] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: that really is the easiest way to do it... i dont know why the gnome guys disabled the possiblity to add/edit menu items
[04:50] <ThomasWinwood> Why is backports so damn slow right now?
[04:50] <ivoks> Bill^Gates search menu-editor
[04:50] <snugglebunny> Oh well. I'll live with it as I'm far too busy to install KDE
[04:50] <exalted> ivoks, here are the 2 elements i want to remove: "cc-3.3"which removes also "cc" and "gcc-3.3-base" which removes a huge part of the system.
[04:50] <ivoks> Bill^Gates or smeg
[04:50] <synd> ThomasWinwood: im asking teh exact same thing
[04:50] <Deffie> there is any additional sw for ubuntu in iso images ?
[04:50] <Bill^Gates> snugglebunny: of course you replace application.desktop with whatever application sits in the menu under the submenu you want your new one to be
[04:50] <kozz> .
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted don't remove gcc-3.3-base
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted remove only gcc-3.3
[04:51] <exalted> ivoks, why?
[04:51] <Kouros> Hello all! Can someone help me? I am using the Live CD, but cannot get the sound from my RealTek AC97 to work... is this a known problem with the LiveCD and will it all be OK if I install Hoary?
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted gcc-3.3-base is metapackage
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted it doesn't contain anything
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted but it removes libc
[04:51] <jamesio> sorry I ran off ... wife made me take out the garbage
[04:51] <topyli> Kouros: hard to say, but they are different systems
[04:51] <ivoks> exalted and that u don't want to do
[04:52] <Kouros> topyli - Is it possible to install drivers on the LiveCD?
[04:52] <exalted> ivoks, i see
[04:52] <snugglebunny> Final question. Does anyone have a problem with rhythmbox. I have a 70% success rate for it launching. 30% of the time it silently exits without displaying anything.
[04:52] <exalted> ivoks, so no problems if i remove gcc-3.3?
[04:52] <Deffie> exalted: a metapackage is a reference to many packages, asking to remove it you ask to remove all the packages that it references
[04:52] <ivoks> exalted no
[04:52] <topyli> Kouros: not really
[04:53] <jamesio> gazzie, I'm fairly new to ubuntu, but I have found that the "new user install script" in the tips forum (it's a stickie at the top) will install everything to make that work
[04:53] <exalted> Deffie, i know, thx.
[04:53] <exalted> ivoks, note that he removes also gcc
[04:53] <jedipottsy306> can someone help me install doom 3?
[04:53] <Kouros> topyli Silly question, I know
[04:53] <ivoks> exalted that's ok
[04:53] <ivoks> exalted where did u get gcc-4.0?
[04:53] <topyli> Kouros: perhaps you could load modules from the HD if they're correct, and for the correct kernel etc.
[04:54] <jamesio> ivoks, it's a package in the standard apt list
[04:54] <ivoks> exalted is it a deb package or what?
[04:54] <ivoks> jamesio gcc-4.0?!
[04:54] <jamesio> yeah
[04:54] <ivoks> jamesio it is in breezy, but hoary...
[04:54] <Kouros> I wouldn't know where to start, topyli!
[04:54] <jamesio> I installed it from synaptic the other day
[04:54] <exalted> ivoks, it's in repo.
[04:54] <Bill^Gates> how does kubuntu compare to ubuntu?
[04:54] <ivoks> hm...
[04:54] <jamesio> unless I somehow turned on another repository I'm not supposed to
[04:54] <topyli> Kouros: what i do know is that the AC97 is one of the most common chips, so any distro should have support for it
[04:54] <jedipottsy306> kubuntu is ok, but i think ubuntu is much nicer
[04:54] <ivoks> exalted give me apt-cache show gcc-4.0
[04:55] <exalted> ivoks, let me tell you exact.... ok. a sec.
[04:55] <Bill^Gates> gnome looks horrible with its two toolbars at the top and bottom of the screen
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA> hi !!!
[04:55] <exalted> ivoks, it's in universe/devel
[04:55] <topyli> Kouros: install ubuntu, and if the chip doesn't work, buy a $15 sound blaster 128 or something :)
[04:55] <ivoks> exalted only the filename
[04:55] <jedipottsy306> ne1 know what theme this is? http://www.jesusfranco.3qhost.com/images/Screenshot.png
[04:55] <jamesio> yeah, just did a search in synaptic.  gcc-4.0 is a standard package
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA>  alguen conoce algun program p2p ??????????????'''
[04:55] <sSeEbBiItTaA>  alguen conoce algun program p2p ??????????????'''
[04:55] <Seveas> sSeEbBiItTaA, english please...
[04:55] <ivoks> exalted give me apt-cache show gcc-4.0 | grep Filename
[04:56] <Kouros> topyli: Actually, that was my next question. I might as well do that (I can space 25) but I presume the SB will also be OK on the LiveCD?
[04:56] <Deffie> Bill^Gates they are not walled
[04:56] <Seveas> ivoks, it's in universe
[04:56] <exalted> ivoks, Filename: pool/universe/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386.deb
[04:56] <Seveas> Filename: pool/universe/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre6ubuntu7_i386.deb
[04:56] <Kouros> *spare
[04:56] <ivoks> hm
[04:56] <ivoks> ok
[04:56] <ivoks> i have
[04:56] <jamesio> yeah, what he said
[04:57] <topyli> Kouros: most certainly a real sb will work on any system
[04:57] <ivoks> Filename: pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/gcc-4.0_4.0.0-5ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:57] <jedipottsy306> does no 1 know what theme this is? http://www.jesusfranco.3qhost.com/images/Screenshot.png
[04:57] <ivoks> so, in main :)
[04:57] <ivoks> but that's breezy
[04:57] <Kouros> In which case, I'll pop out to the shops now! Thanks for the advice topyli, it's muchly appreciated!
[04:57] <sSeEbBiItTaA> somebody knows something programs p2p
[04:57] <exalted> ivoks, that's hoary
[04:57] <Kouros> topyli: In which case, I'll pop out to the shops now! Thanks for the advice topyli, it's muchly appreciated!
[04:57] <ivoks> exalted i woulnd suggest using that gcc-4.0 from universe
[04:57] <exalted> i mean this
[04:57] <topyli> Kouros: good sb hunting!
[04:57] <ivoks> wouldn't
[04:57] <Kouros> Ta muchly
[04:58] <exalted> ivoks, while whole breezy unstable? :)
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted no, but that package isn't packaged well
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted it should provided gcc
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted but it doesn't
[04:58] <exalted> ivoks, hmm
[04:58] <Legolas> hello, anyone know how to run a jar as a java application rather than a compressed file?  I know in windows yo ujust run it with the java client, but I can't figure it out in ubuntu.  Trying to use OurTunes.
[04:58] <ompaul> jedipottsy306, no but is it on a ubuntu box :-) or at least that is what the apt-get stuff is saying#
[04:58] <ivoks> exalted if you want to use it
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted use it, but install gcc-3.3
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted and then just change link on `which gcc`
[04:59] <exalted> ivoks, are you kidding with me? :) i've already removed gcc-3.3 =)
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted :) ok then
[04:59] <ivoks> exalted then leave it as is
[05:00] <jedipottsy306> ompaulAFK, ok, whats that mean?
[05:00] <netmonk> what is the easyest way to make a deb file in Ubuntu?
[05:00] <Legolas> so, noone knows how to use a jar file as an application?
[05:00] <joey_> what is involved in  moving from kernel k8(64) to 32 bit ubuntu?
[05:00] <ivoks> netmonk for private use?
[05:00] <jamesio> exalted... you sound like a friend of mine: when he got a windows98 box a long time ago, he deleted dll files because he said "they were taking up too much space on my hd" and wondered why the system was dead
[05:00] <exalted> ivoks, mainly my problem is with anjuta software
[05:00] <exalted> jamesh, have nothing to do.
[05:01] <jamesio> exalted, are you saying you're bored?
[05:01] <ivoks> :)
[05:01] <snugglebunny> netmonk, java -jar file.jar
[05:01] <exalted> jamesh, trying to find a way to solve my problem on anjuta
[05:01] <joey_> 64bit>32 bit, difficult move?
[05:01] <ivoks> netmonk you can use checkinstall, but those packages are bad, don't have dependencies
[05:01] <jedipottsy306> dont use AMD64 ubuntu - nothing works, i rebooted with 32bit and everything works a charm
[05:02] <joey_> how easy was it?
[05:02] <netmonk> ivoks, snugglebunny for provate use .tar.gz package
[05:02] <pla> hello everybody
[05:02] <joey_> do I simply install 32 bit kernel and that's it?
[05:02] <jamesio> anjuta looks pretty cool
[05:02] <jamesio> had to look it up...
[05:02] <exalted> jamesio, that was for you
[05:02] <jedipottsy306> just put the disc in, make sure BIOS boots from disc - and like b4, just install over the old
[05:02] <exalted> jamesh, sorry about that again
[05:02] <Legolas> thankee snugglebunny
[05:03] <ivoks> if anjuta is cool, try eclipse :)
[05:03] <pla> please don't use breezy yet
[05:03] <pla> it's unusable
[05:03] <joey_> so it's an upgrade, then, from iso?
[05:03] <jamesio> are you trying to use gcc4 or is it a requirement of anjuta?
[05:03] <jamesio> "
[05:03] <ivoks> pla ?
[05:03] <exalted> jamesh, nope
[05:03] <pla> yeah
[05:03] <jedipottsy306> can someone tell me how to use a resolution above 1024x768?
[05:04] <exalted> jedipottsy306, it depends...
[05:04] <ivoks> pla we know it's unstable :)
[05:04] <jedipottsy306> 1280x1024
[05:04] <exalted> jedipottsy306, does your monitor support it?
[05:04] <joey_> have you done it?
[05:04] <jedipottsy306> yeah i use 1280x1024 in windows
[05:05] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, if your card supports it edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf add add 1280x1042 as a mode for the colour depth you use
[05:05] <pla> but unstable don't mean unusable ;)
[05:05] <jedipottsy306> 1280x1024 is max
[05:05] <exalted> snugglebunny, ++
[05:05] <jedipottsy306> what command to edit the conf?
[05:05] <snugglebunny> s/add add/and add/
[05:05] <snugglebunny> sudo gedit /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[05:05] <snugglebunny>  sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:06] <pla> i've tried to install a 2.6.11 kernel on my hoary it it has been a nightmare
[05:06] <ivoks> hm...
[05:06] <jedipottsy306> its blank, is that right?
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, nope
[05:06] <ivoks> there is a lot USN on bugtraq :(
[05:06] <snugglebunny> shouldn't be balnk
[05:06] <ivoks> pla 2.6.11 is crap
[05:06] <jedipottsy306> theres nothing in the xorg.conf
[05:06] <snugglebunny> xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, "ocate xorg.conf"
[05:06] <exalted> jedipottsy306, "lcate xorg.conf"
[05:06] <exalted> aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
[05:07] <exalted> "locate xorg.conf"
[05:07] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, my first command was wrong. use the second command
[05:07] <joey_> hehe
[05:07] <snugglebunny> or "slocate xorg.conf"
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> lcate xorg.conf#
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.config
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.roster
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /usr/share/xresprobe/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> /usr/X11R6/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.gz
[05:07] <exalted> jedipottsy306, the first line
[05:07] <ivoks> don't paste it
[05:07] <ivoks> man
[05:07] <snugglebunny> first line is the one you want
[05:07] <snugglebunny> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:07] <jedipottsy306> ahh i got it, with stuff in it
[05:08] <exalted> jedipottsy306, that's him :)
[05:08] <snugglebunny> now edit the Modes line to add your mode
[05:08] <snugglebunny> Modes		"1600x1200" "1024x768"
[05:08] <jedipottsy306> whats the other resolution - the one between 1024x768 and 1280x1024?
[05:08] <snugglebunny> 11something
[05:08] <snugglebunny> the one that never looks right
[05:08] <exalted> i get "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp"fails sanity check". what can you say about that?
[05:09] <Seveas> 1280x960
[05:09] <Seveas> 1152x768
[05:09] <jedipottsy306> the 1100 one
[05:09] <pla> pourquoi tout le monde parle anglais?
[05:09] <Seveas> exalted, apt-get install build-essential
[05:09] <exalted> Seveas, hmm
[05:09] <Seveas> pla, because this is an english channel
[05:09] <pla> ya pas un franais ici?
[05:09] <Seveas> pla, #ubuntu-fr is french...
[05:09] <Crapounet> pla #ubuntu-fr
[05:10] <jedipottsy306> ok, do i have to do nething now, or just restart?
[05:10] <pla> OK thanks
[05:10] <jamesio> any good recommendations on tools to set up raid on a system in gnome?
[05:10] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:10] <netmonk> if i use a program for mail that i installed manualy, how do i set the rest of the programs to "know" it, so when i click on an email address it opens my program?
[05:10] <pla> it was just a joke
[05:10] <exalted> Seveas, i'm going to do it, but he says this package is for debian package making :)
[05:11] <elcu> netmonk: system->prefs -> preferred apps
[05:11] <Seveas> build-essential will install gcc, g++, make etc
[05:11] <Seveas> thngs you need to compile stuff
[05:11] <a_monkey> you know, the "X MultiMedia System" isn't a very worthy name for that app... it doesn't handle multimedia in any other way than play back audio...
[05:11] <exalted> Seveas, hope it works...
[05:11] <netmonk> thank you elcu
[05:11] <Seveas> a_monkey, and display graphics...
[05:11] <a_monkey> Seveas: it does?
[05:12] <a_monkey> Seveas: didn't know
[05:12] <Seveas> a_monkey, well, otherwise you wouldn't have a gui...
[05:12] <a_monkey> uh, well, that doesn't count
[05:12] <Seveas> hmm
[05:12] <Seveas> disable X then and you'll see how much it counts...
[05:12] <a_monkey> playing back different video types would count
[05:12] <exalted> Seveas, thx so much!
[05:12] <SantaOne> hi
[05:13] <Seveas> a_monkey, not really
[05:13] <Seveas> a_monkey, X doesn;t play back audio files too
[05:13] <SantaOne> Does ubuntu have something like apt-get? (debian)
[05:13] <exalted> SantaOne, sure
[05:13] <SantaOne> exalted: whats the name of it?
[05:13] <exalted> SantaOne, apt himself
[05:13] <Seveas> SantaOne, apt-get, aptitude, dselect, synaptic :)
[05:13] <SantaOne> exalted: wow cool
[05:13] <SantaOne> does it use the same packages as debian?
[05:13] <Seveas> no
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, yes-no :)
[05:14] <SantaOne> ?
[05:14] <exalted> Seveas, you shouldn't use'em
[05:14] <SantaOne> are the dependences solved the same great way?
[05:14] <Seveas> all packages are rebuilt by the ubuntu servers and lots of packages have been changed (read: fixed so they work and are integrated)
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, everysystem has its internals, it's always better use his packages.
[05:14] <exalted> SantaOne, yeah.
[05:14] <SantaOne> ok and last question:
[05:15] <exalted> SantaOne, yes ubuntu means humanity :)
[05:15] <Zen> yo all
[05:15] <SantaOne> I wanted to use an easier distro than debian.  For example I want that everything works,  my USB 2.0 stick,  my digital-camera should work with my PC and all the other stuff likew automatical detection of my graphic card and so on
[05:15] <exalted> :D
[05:15] <SantaOne> can ubuntu help me with this stuff?
[05:16] <Seveas> SantaOne, it all works :)
[05:16] <exalted> SantaOne, no one can tell you with this info.
[05:16] <SantaOne> exalted: why?
[05:16] <exalted> probably yes, but who knows?!
[05:16] <Amaranth> SantaOne: If you have an ATI Radeon 9250 or lower your graphics are setup automatically, otherwise I think you have to install the package for the nvidia or ati drivers.
[05:16] <Zen> i have a webcam.. and i want to be able to have a vidio conversation with someone on a windows pc..  Also, i dont even know if its working on this pc, anything i can do to test it?
[05:16] <Amaranth> Dunno if they get installed automatically, never tried it.
[05:16] <SantaOne> Amaranth: I have a savage
[05:16] <exalted> it doesn't recognize every single peripheral on earth, that's for sure.
[05:16] <Amaranth> wtf is that?
[05:17] <SantaOne> a graphic card
[05:17] <bpuccio> SantaOne: yes, for the most part ubuntu does this, though there might be some problems along the way, however, I have found that I can get newer software then woody without having to deal with the constant instability of sid all wrapped up in a package designed to "Just Work"
[05:17] <Zen> any body got an idea on how to do it?
[05:17] <SantaOne> hum ok
[05:17] <Zen> the main thing is knowing if it works
[05:17] <SantaOne> is it better than kanotix?
[05:17] <bpuccio> Zen: try gnomemeeting out, see if you can see yourself in there
[05:17] <jedipottsy306> help
[05:17] <SantaOne> I tried out kanotix.  well it works but there are always many errors
[05:17] <exalted> SantaOne, might have problems even with installer also, but it's 10 times better than debian installation experience.
[05:17] <jedipottsy306> i rebooted computer for this resolution thing to take effect
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> and the screen is squished up with black borders down the edge
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> and when i go to change resolution i get this
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[05:18] <{DT}> howdy
[05:18] <Zen> bpuccio: Ok..
[05:18] <SantaOne> hum ok
[05:18] <elcu> jedipottsy306: running the fglrx driver?
[05:18] <jedipottsy306> yeah, i did the fglrx driver thign
[05:19] <dantheman> what command do i use to run a traceroute?
[05:19] <alejandro> hi
[05:19] <Seveas> dantheman, tracepath
[05:19] <Seveas> or mtr
[05:19] <dantheman> thanks
[05:19] <Seveas> (you might have to install these with apt-get)
[05:19] <elcu> IIRC, once you're using fglrx, like it says:  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available
[05:19] <alejandro> hmm, someone can provide a mirror? I'm using apt-setup and every mirror I select, I can't access.
[05:19] <jordanau> on my laptop ubuntu install, if i use any resolution other that like 1400x1600 or whatever it it, the size of the screen reduces. Ubuntu even boots with the visible part of the screen being about 5x5 inches! Anyone know what is wrong?
[05:20] <alejandro> so currently I can't update the sources or install any package.
[05:20] <bpuccio> alejandro, I have an i386 binary only mirror if you'd like
[05:20] <jedipottsy306> how do i fix the problem?
[05:20] <exalted> alejandro, can you access to the internet? are you on that machine for now?
[05:20] <alejandro> exalted: yes, it's in the same network. :-)
[05:21] <linitrofe> hi
[05:21] <dantheman> is there a better interface for reading man pages than the terminal?
[05:21] <linitrofe> google?
[05:22] <Juhaz> yelp (the gnome help browser) supports man pages
[05:22] <jedipottsy306> so i have to use synaptic and install new drivers?
[05:22] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[05:22] <exalted> alejandro, i mean can you ping somewhere from that machine?
[05:23] <housetier> dantheman I dont know about "better" but you can use dwww to read the man pages in your favorite web browser, that would be another way
[05:23] <exalted> dantheman, there are man sites
[05:23] <linitrofe> about the channel topic... breezy isn't usable yet?
[05:23] <alejandro> exalted: yes, I can ping to another hosts.
[05:23] <housetier> better is someone subjective
[05:23] <jedipottsy306> elcu, hey, so what do i have to do? uninstall the fglrx drivers?
[05:23] <exalted> alejandro, sorry then, my idea not valid :)
[05:23] <ztonzy> anyone know what to do with gnome-bluetooth-manager freezes at 5% trying to find the device ?
[05:24] <jedipottsy306> elcu, and use the xorg-driver-fglrx that are in the synaptic pm ?
[05:24] <elcu> jedipottsy306: what installation/res. fix instructions did you follow?
[05:24] <bpuccio> linitrofe: probably to keep people from upgrading to it and having something break, it would create a lot of support
[05:25] <jedipottsy306> i followed this guide : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[05:25] <jedipottsy306> and then added 1280x1024 resolution to the file
[05:25] <linitrofe> thanxs
[05:26] <linitrofe> can i help with the fglrx ?
[05:26] <{DT}> hey
[05:26] <bpuccio> linitrofe: whether at this very second or not it is stable, I don't know, but what may work today may not work tomorrow and vice versa... personally, I'll wait a bit before trying it out, i don't have the time right now to deal with something possibly breaking
[05:26] <elcu> jedipottsy306: do you have your monitor rates in the xorg.conf file?
[05:27] <{DT}> I've got a SiS7041 soundcard in my laptop, and it seems to detect it, but when I try to play sound it's not giving me any output
[05:27] <exalted> bye
[05:27] <jedipottsy306> elcu, in the synaptic package manager i get this fglrx-6-8-0 "installed version" 8.12.10-2 latest version (same)
[05:27] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, You need the refresh settings for your monitor
[05:27] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:27] <snugglebunny> Section "Monitor"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	Identifier	"CS990DC"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	Option		"DPMS"
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	HorizSync	30-96
[05:27] <snugglebunny> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[05:27] <snugglebunny> EndSection
[05:27] <flodine> guys its it ok to use backports sites
[05:27] <Amaranth> {DT}: Is the volume turned up in the volume controls? :)
[05:27] <linitrofe> dt, using alsa? try to unmute the master and wave channel?
[05:27] <snugglebunny> Soryr about the floodbut it seemed easiesty
[05:27] <Amaranth> flodine: No it isn't.
[05:27] <jedipottsy306> how?
[05:28] <fibonacci_nazi> Hey. WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE QUIT LEACHING OFF OF FUCKING DEBIAN AND TRY AND HELP, DAMNIT!
[05:28] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, edit xorg.conf again and add the lines horizsync and vertrefresh to the monitor section
[05:28] <linitrofe> dt, the best way to track it is to install gnome-alsamixer
[05:28] <Amaranth> fibonacci_nazi: ...
[05:28] <{DT}> linitrofe, : I've turned all the stuff all the way up in alsa, and unmuted it, and still nothing
[05:28] <snugglebunny> you need to know the values for your monitor though
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> Depth		24
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> 	EndSubSection
[05:28] <jedipottsy306> EndSection
[05:28] <rhys-hynaws> fibonacci_nazi, Du bist ein schwul.
[05:28] <fibonacci_nazi> that is all
[05:28] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, in the monitor section not the mode section
[05:28] <Amaranth> fibonacci_nazi: I'd say because when I asked for help when I used Debian I got people like you.
[05:29] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, look for the bit that looks like the section I posted
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> o did i do in the wrong section
[05:29] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:29] <snugglebunny> it starts Section "Monitor"
[05:29] <linitrofe> mmm
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> how do i edit it? it wont let me edit
[05:29] <snugglebunny> you need to sudo gedit
[05:29] <snugglebunny> otherwise you won't have permission
[05:29] <jedipottsy306> ok thnx
[05:30] <snugglebunny> when editing config files you generally need to use sudi
[05:30] <snugglebunny> *sudo
[05:30] <flodine> are backport sites unstable sites
[05:30] <Stalker`> hello. the packages i see in add/remove programs -> advanced are everything i can get as binary? if i want something else i have to compile it from source?
[05:30] <linitrofe> {DT}: what are you using to test it? xmms, aplay?
[05:31] <Amaranth> flodine: You will probably have problems upgrading to breezy if you use hoary backports.
[05:31] <elcu> Stalker`: no.  you can use synaptic or apt-get to install packages.  see ubuntuguide.org
[05:32] <jedipottsy306> is there any difference between sudo and root terminal?
[05:32] <linitrofe> i'm using breezy. at the moment nothing breaks up. works fine
[05:32] <flodine> is breezy a new site for upgrading
[05:32] <snugglebunny> jedit sudo is slightly safer
[05:32] <snugglebunny> but I prefer to use root terminal as it's more slack like
[05:32] <Amaranth> flodine: No, breezy will be the next version of Ubuntu.
[05:32] <elcu> Stalker`: IIRC, those apps are just some recommendations, there's shitloads out there
[05:32] <Amaranth> flodine: You can use it know, but there be dragons.
[05:32] <linitrofe> dragons?
[05:33] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, root terminal gives you more opportunity for total destruction. Sudo makes you type an extra 4 characters
[05:33] <{DT}> linitrofe, : I was using the ubuntu hardware compatability thing
[05:33] <Amaranth> linitrofe: Things break on a daily basis.
[05:33] <flodine> where is it
[05:33] <{DT}> and I just tossed a CD in incase that turned out to be the problem
[05:33] <thully> I want to have fairly up-to-date software (as in - I'd like things a couple weeks after they are released upstream) but I don't like waiting 6 months or risking breakage.  What's my best option here?
[05:33] <djm62> linitrofe: they're adding functionality, not avoiding breakage
[05:33] <{DT}> and nutthing
[05:33] <Amaranth> flodine: Things break on a daily basis. It's still in development.
[05:33] <{DT}> now, for something that really flipped my wig, if I turn the mic on, and can get feedback through that
[05:33] <Hannes_> thully: UBP
[05:33] <linitrofe> i'm only giving my experience about breezy
[05:34] <hac> What is the best Bittorent client?i use Azureus but its a memory hog...
[05:34] <jedipottsy306> lol
[05:34] <djm62> thully: can you wait 3 months? you're not missing out on any real functionality (apart from mono/beagle)
[05:34] <linitrofe> i'm a HW developer, i need some stuff of breezy
[05:34] <jedipottsy306> ok how do i find the rates for my monitor - its a shite crt, from like 1995
[05:34] <thully> Mostly, I want new software with bug fixes over the old stuff in Hoary...
[05:34] <elcu> jedipottsy306: brand?
[05:34] <Amaranth> thully: Did PyMusique ever make it?
[05:34] <djm62> thully: the last month of breezy will probably be a smooth ride (certainly compared to the first fortnight, for instance)
[05:35] <thully> Amaranth: in backports, or in breezy?
[05:35] <Amaranth> thully: backports
[05:35] <Amaranth> thully: It won't get into breezy.
[05:35] <jedipottsy306> NEC CI A727
[05:35] <necorium> i've installed all the deb files for isdn connection (ubuntu hoary) and i wanted to know if anyone could tell me about the editing
[05:35] <linitrofe> {DT}: what's that? the best way i have to test alsa it's looking a WAV file and play it with aplay. if it hangs it's a HW problem, if not...
[05:35] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, try google. Or find refresh rates for similar spec and size monitors on google
[05:35] <djm62> for that matter, the "old stuff" in hoary is, what, a month old?
[05:35] <flodine> can i try breezy now
[05:35] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, I'm one of the strange people who keep onitir manuals so I just looked in that
[05:35] <thully> It didn't make it today - they didn't have the dependencies built
[05:35] <linitrofe> linitrofe: test
[05:35] <FireCat> Does anyone know if there is a way to have gnome dialogs center on something other than the center of the screen?
[05:35] <{DT}> thanks
[05:35] <Amaranth> flodine: Do you care if your machine stops working and is unbootable causing you to have to reinstall?
[05:35] <{DT}> I'll give that a shot
[05:35] <rhys-hynaws> fibonacci_nazi, Du bist ein schwul.
[05:36] <djm62> flodine: you can try breezy anytime...but it's on your own head.  enjoy!
[05:36] <rhys-hynaws> oops
[05:36] <flodine> lol
[05:36] <Amaranth> FireCat: The application developer needed to make the dialog center-on-parent.
[05:36] <thully> It seems like it could make it into breezy - would definitely have to be multiverse, though (where they have LAME and Mplayer now)
[05:36] <djm62> WTF do people have about those minor version numbers anyway?  is it a proxy for suitability to mate?
[05:36] <Amaranth> FireCat: Nothing you can do but file a bug unless you want to dig in source and recompile things.
[05:36] <flodine> is anyone running breezy now
[05:36] <Hannes_> flodine: me
[05:36] <Amaranth> flodine: I am.
[05:36] <var> flodine: me
[05:36] <linitrofe> me
[05:36] <flodine> dang
[05:36] <FireCat> Amaranth: Thanks for the suggestions
[05:37] <rhys-hynaws> oops
[05:37] <thully> No - I'm not so much concerned about "latest and greatest", but bug fixes in minor applications
[05:37] <flodine> so yall system dont restart
[05:37] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:37] <elcu> jedipottsy306: NEC CI A727 Ranges: V min: 50  V max: 120 Hz, H min: 30  H max: 70 kHz
[05:37] <hussam> how do I rip a dvd to divx?
[05:37] <thully> netapplet for instance is far less buggier now than the Hoary version is..
[05:37] <Amaranth> flodine: No, but it could. breezy is rough right now.
[05:37] <linitrofe> hussam, there's many aplications, use synaptic to find it
[05:37] <flodine> is it in backports
[05:37] <Stalker`> elcu, can i make synaptic show all the available packages?
[05:37] <snugglebunny> HorizSync 30-70
[05:37] <snugglebunny>  VertRefresh 50-120
[05:38] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, those lines should work for you
[05:38] <snugglebunny> you just need to add them to the monitor section
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> ok thnx
[05:38] <snugglebunny> and thanks to elcu
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> what command to force the xorg.conf
[05:38] <djm62> thully: there's a good chance it will take more effort to keep breezy running smoothly that it will to ignore the odd bug in hoary, IMO
[05:38] <jedipottsy306> or do i just reboot?
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:38] <snugglebunny> ctr + alt + backspace
[05:38] <snugglebunny> restarts the x server
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: do that first so you can get the latest list of available packages.
[05:38] <linitrofe> jedi, control-alt-delete
[05:38] <elcu> Stalker`: i assume you're using hoary
[05:39] <linitrofe> (restart's the X server)
[05:39] <snugglebunny> eh?
[05:39] <djm62> backspace, not delete, I think
[05:39] <jedipottsy306> ok
[05:39] <linitrofe> sorry
[05:39] <snugglebunny> it is backspace
[05:39] <linitrofe> backspace
[05:39] <snugglebunny> del takes you to runlevel 6
[05:39] <linitrofe> ???
[05:39] <snugglebunny> the runlevel of excitement
[05:39] <linitrofe> runlevel 6?
[05:39] <linitrofe> no way
[05:39] <snugglebunny> reboot
[05:39] <linitrofe> hahaha
[05:39] <Amaranth> flodine: I'd say if you don't know what pinning is and/or don't even know how to get breezy you really shouldn't be using it. No offense, but it's just not for end users.
[05:39] <linitrofe> damn it, i didn't know it
[05:40] <linitrofe> i'm a better man now
[05:40] <Amaranth> linitrofe: In a console ctrl-alt-del reboots.
[05:40] <Mestapheles> hi
[05:40] <Stalker`> elcu, yes, 10x
[05:40] <Amaranth> linitrofe: In X it does nothing because X catches it.
[05:40] <linitrofe> ouuu :(
[05:40] <snugglebunny> not in all distros
[05:40] <thully> However, being able to roam wireless access points easily is a fairly basic function (and hard to ignore)...
[05:40] <linitrofe> amarnth: txs
[05:40] <hussam> linitrofe: k3b will rip but it requires transcode which is not available in synaptic
[05:41] <Mestapheles> I just tan fsck for the first time,  fsck report clean on 2nd time I ran it.  I didn't mount anything so can I just pass reboot with umounting anything?
[05:41] <gazzie> totem could not start up: resource busy or not available
[05:41] <gazzie> ^^ help
[05:41] <gazzie> :P
[05:41] <netmonk> i don't seem to be able to run executable files on my warty on ppc. any ideas?
[05:41] <djm62> There should be an unstable click-through agreement: "I acknowledge that this software may destroy my data, my computer, and my life, and take full responsibility" like NON-WARRANTY++
[05:41] <linitrofe> hussam: now, i see other program, that rip's the dvd to divx and keep it oin your HD
[05:41] <Amaranth> netmonk: What executable files?
[05:41] <linitrofe> let me search
[05:41] <jedipottsy306> YAY
[05:41] <jedipottsy306> it worked
[05:41] <Amaranth> netmonk: Are you sure they're for linux? Are you sure they're for ppc?
[05:42] <jedipottsy306> glorious 1156x768 :D
[05:42] <Amaranth> that's what i run
[05:42] <gazzie> if i close xmms, totem doesn't give that error, but it doesn't load either
[05:42] <Amaranth> i used to run higher but i dropped my monitor when i was moving so i'm stuck with an old one
[05:42] <netmonk> Amaranth, for example the new firefox-1.0+
[05:42] <Amaranth> netmonk: What's the error?
[05:43] <jedipottsy306> no just to get my doom 3 to work
[05:43] <netmonk> Amaranth, it just does nothing
[05:43] <hussam> linitrofe: like what? I can't find one without dependency problems
[05:43] <thully> I thought backports were improved for Hoary? The back ports actually have ~5.04 in their name, so you can tell it's a backport.
[05:43] <linitrofe> hussam: try "dvd rip" in synaptic, under description and name
[05:43] <paulproteus> netmonk: Did you just download a random executable from the Web?
[05:43] <ompaulAFK> djm62, and some will click it anyway
[05:43] <Amaranth> linitrofe: dvdrip is a perl-gtk frontend to transcode...
[05:43] <jedipottsy306> ne1 know how to get doom 3on ubuntu?
[05:43] <paulproteus> netmonk: Because most Linux executables on the web are compiled for the Intel series of processors.  (I'm running Ubuntu on my iBook G4.)
[05:44] <djm62> ompaulAFK: if they don't read it...it's conclusively their fault
[05:44] <Amaranth> hmm
[05:44] <snugglebunny> jedipottsy306, run glxgears first from a terminal and see what frame rate you get. Just to confirm the 3d accel is working
[05:44] <Amaranth> Does Mozilla.org even make ppc linux nightly builds?
[05:44] <rhys-hynaws> hey does anyone use BMP and Audioscrobbler?
[05:44] <Amaranth> I don't think they do.
[05:44] <joh> hello, when starting X (with startx) the screen blinks and X just exits. There are *no* error messages in Xorg.0.log. startx says "Fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. The same thing happens if I try to start gdm.
[05:44] <snugglebunny> I'd hate for you to spend hours getting it working for nothing
[05:44] <netmonk> paulproteus, i guess it's my fault - the name of the file is firefox-1.0+.en-US.linux-i686 - obviosly not for ppc
[05:44] <ThomasWinwood> I'm using the StarterBar desklet, and notice when I load Firefox it for some reason loads the homepage of the University of Minnesota. Why?
[05:45] <FireCat> Amaranth: The problem is that centering only works for an odd number of monitors
[05:45] <jedipottsy306> 1499 frames in 5.0 seconds = 299.800 FPS
[05:45] <elcu> jedipottsy306: a better option would be to do glxinfo and seeing if direct rendering is enabled
[05:45] <jedipottsy306> tht working?
[05:45] <Choubaka> no. :p
[05:45] <Amaranth> FireCat: ?
[05:45] <linitrofe> hussam: still searching
[05:45] <Amaranth> FireCat: Oh, center on screen puts half on one monitor and half on the other?
[05:45] <FireCat> Yes
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> says direct rendering is not working
[05:46] <Amaranth> FireCat: Let's see those bug reports then. :)
[05:46] <snugglebunny> elcu, I've never been convinced about glxinfo being a handy tool for a quick check. It dumps out a lot of text to wade through. glxgears just shows it instantly
[05:46] <Amaranth> FireCat: For every application that has a dialog that does that file a bug report.
[05:46] <paulproteus> netmonk: Ah, okay.
[05:46] <elcu> snugglebunny: to each his own, i guess
[05:46] <elcu> :)
[05:46] <snugglebunny> elcu, I tend to use lazy ways
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> ok, so i get 299fps but direct rendering is "off"
[05:46] <elcu> jedipottsy306: did you do this: echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[05:46] <jedipottsy306> direct rendering: No