[23:26] <tron103> Is it possible to generate an initrd.gz+kernel on a running system, for use in pxe-based installs using debian-installer?


[00:00] <Azelphur> penguin42: 5 what? o.O
[00:00] <penguin42> gbp
[00:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:00] <penguin42> my synergy has moved from mapping keys wrongly to mapping everything except the   key
[00:01] <Azelphur> zumo__: yea, I don't think I'll have a problem with that I'm used to a debit card and will usually go by my bank balance, so I'd just pay off every month
[00:12] <zumo__> I said that. Life went wrong, I had no cash. Missed payment, Very easy to spiral out of control with no help from them at all. Bank Credit cards on the other hand, You can talk to a bank manager for help
[01:05] <em> is it possible to install ubuntu in the old fashioned way where you use fdisk and such?
[01:07] <ali1234> yes
[01:08] <ali1234> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/powerpc/linux-upgrade.html
[01:08] <ali1234> just ignore powerpc specific stuff
[01:14] <em> okay thanks
[01:40] <zumo_> Has anyone tried madori browser?
[02:07] <aLurey> uhh sup u fuckers
[02:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: https://blockchain.info/address/1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM looks like pirate is getting ready to return the monies
[02:20] <Azelphur> this is going to mess with the btc price so much haha
[02:57] <zumo_> I've never really understood teh whole bitcoin thing
[06:45] <christel> morning
[06:46] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[06:46] <christel> helloooo my lovely dutch <3
[06:49]  * MartijnVdS finishes packing his bag for YAPC::EU::2012
[06:49] <MartijnVdS> http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/
[06:49] <christel> oooh :)
[06:49] <christel> have lots of fun perling!
[07:24] <namoamitabuddha> Hi, folk!
[07:24] <namoamitabuddha> Are you all Englishmen?
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> No
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> Some of us are not even British ;)
[07:25] <namoamitabuddha> I have some questions about this channel.
[07:25] <christel> furriners, everywhere
[07:26] <christel> some are not even men!
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> Bot, haha.
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> christel: What?!
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> !uk
[07:26] <christel> MartijnVdS: shocking isn't it? :)
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> This is not human.
[07:26] <namoamitabuddha> christel: What do you mean by "some are not even men!"?
[07:26] <MartijnVdS> namoamitabuddha: some are women!
[07:27] <namoamitabuddha> Well, I misinterpreted.
[07:27] <namoamitabuddha> Why can't woman use Ubuntu?
[07:27] <christel> and some are MACHINES
[07:27] <christel> they can't?
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> !us | christel
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> !uk | christel
[07:28] <namoamitabuddha> christel: That's obviously machine.
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> a machine
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> Well.
[07:29] <namoamitabuddha> I have some questions about this channel.
[07:30] <namoamitabuddha> Is the topic of this channel strictly limited in Ubuntu?
[07:30] <namoamitabuddha> Or just a linux channel?
[07:34] <christel> as the name would suggest it is an ubuntu channel, specifically that of the UK loco team -- we talk about ubuntu and about not-ubuntu, we're quite nice people so we're unlikely to get annoyed if people ask a non-ubuntu specific question -- but might direct someone who does elsewhere if we feel they'd get a better answer/more help elsewhere :)
[07:34] <Myrtti> gm
[07:35] <Myrtti> hot, innit
[07:35] <christel> morning hotti!
[07:36] <Myrtti> by l
[07:36] <Myrtti> lol at backlog
[07:36] <christel> hehe
[07:37] <Myrtti> just realised tHis is a perfect moment for us 2 to chat
[07:37] <christel> WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE?
[07:38] <Myrtti> yup
[07:38] <namoamitabuddha> christel: Fair enough.
[07:39] <Myrtti> I wonder where have I put my tablet stylus
[07:40] <Myrtti> would ease desiging knittig patterns on the Nexus7
[07:40] <namoamitabuddha> So something on-topic and something off-topic are not strictly isolated.
[07:40] <namoamitabuddha> Am I right?
[07:41] <Myrtti> to some extent
[07:48] <christel> Myrtti: ooh what are you knitting? :)
[07:50] <Myrtti> I bought laceweight purple orange for knitting a scarf for elky as a christmas present
[07:50] <christel> ooh nice
[07:51] <Myrtti> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151075125863679&set=a.87958848678.79892.77499153678&type=1
[07:52] <Myrtti> very Ubuntu colours
[07:53] <christel> beautiful yarn :)
[07:59]  * AlanBell likes channels that pass the bechdel test
[08:00]  * MartijnVdS tries to prepare for 38C
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> how does that even work?
[08:03] <AlanBell> 29C here later it seems
[08:04] <mattt> morning morning
[08:06] <AlanBell> might have to paint the fence today
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> and the bikeshed? :P
[08:08] <AlanBell> already painted that, you can't comment on the colour
[08:08] <AlanBell> and it isn't #dd4814
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> hot pink with polka dots?
[08:09] <AlanBell> dark green
[08:22] <christel> :o
[08:22] <christel> untangling toddler-induced knots in yarn is a bit of a challenge
[09:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:21] <SuperEngineer> morninks brobostigon
[09:22] <brobostigon> morning SuperEngineer
[09:22]  * SuperEngineer supposes most peeps are recovering from oggcamp "Saturday Night fever" ;)
[09:23] <brobostigon> lol
[09:54] <mattt> bleh, hot out
[09:54] <mattt> just got back from asia, was looking forward to some miserable weather :P
[10:03] <brobostigon> film4, dr strangelove, :), such a good film.
[10:39] <SuperEngineer> heehee, tonytiger reports on twitter:
[10:39] <SuperEngineer> "The #oggcamp12 hotel is hosting an AA meeting the day after the Saturday night party. Coincidence?"
[10:40] <brobostigon> lol
[10:43] <SuperEngineer> In case anyone on here lives in Monmouthshire... Flood warning by Environment Agency http://tinyurl.com/d7lxq33
[10:45] <Myrtti> why can't there be inland swimming beaches and areas like there are in Finland...
[10:56] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti: there are about to be some in monmouthshire according to the environment agency!
[10:56] <Myrtti> oh nice
[11:00] <shauno> I went to one of these swimming lake things in slovakia recently.  having lived on various coasts my whole life, having to pay to go swim was odd
[11:01] <shauno> and much less entertaining than swimming in the atlantic too
[11:02] <Myrtti> because swimming pools and halls close for the summer in Finland in most places for people to go swim in the lakes. It's a bit baffling to see island nation with canals, meres, lodes and whatnots not using it all. also, LOL 25 meters? ridiculous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_swimming#Lessons
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> Every once in a while a Ubuntu pooter throughs me a surprise... this time Hamster Indicator found not to work on 1 netbook using UBR, but does on another!
[11:06] <SuperEngineer> dconf editor used to add "all" to panel on both, both running UBR
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> hmmmm.... any suggestions?
[11:40] <SuperEngineer> uh oh!  barometer falling, wind speed increasing, clouds darkening....
[11:40] <SuperEngineer> has somebody pulled the good-weather-plug?
[11:40] <penguin42> plagues of frogs?
[11:41]  * SuperEngineer checks sky for frogs
[11:41] <SuperEngineer> nope... no frogs so far
[11:41] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: It's because I've got the week off :-(   About Thurday the Times was predicting that tomorrow would be wonderfully sunny
[11:45] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: cairo-docl weather applet still showing 5 days of sunshine here; it's internet based so surely it must be right ;)
[11:45] <SuperEngineer> *dock
[11:46] <penguin42> YaWP is showing sun+rain mon,tue,thu and cloud on wed
[11:46] <penguin42> it might be a case of finding the sunny place and getting on a train to it
[11:47] <SuperEngineer> & weather Indicator says "partly cloudy" for me here
[11:47]  * SuperEngineer checks wikipedia for meaning of "partly" ;)
[11:50] <penguin42> it means over where you are, leaving the gap and sunshine for the other person
[11:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: lol
[11:56] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm not sure if they still do; but they used to measure cloud cover in 'octa' - or eigths of the sky; so I guess partly is some range of that
[12:04] <SuperEngineer> hmm... so "partly" right now means approx 9 eighths ;)
[12:04] <penguin42> yes, 1 extra just for spite
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> on the bright side [pardon the pun]: glad I'm in Gloucestershire, not Monmouthshire
[12:09] <SuperEngineer> [though we have been known to have a wee bit excess water around here a few years back ;)
[13:00] <SuperEngineer> need to log off for a mo.  brb
[13:41] <penguin42> hmm
[14:59] <dogmatic69> anyone having internet issues?
[14:59] <dogmatic69> not sure if its local or BT. Suddenly nothing loads fully :/
[14:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69: No, but freenode blinked an hour or so ago
[14:59] <dogmatic69> ye, its been about an hour or something.
[14:59] <dogmatic69> (that I noticed)
[15:00] <dogmatic69> cant play youtube / browse reddit. might have to do something productive.
[15:01] <dogmatic69> It almost seems like UK servers are ok, outside is not
[15:01] <penguin42> no, youtube is fine here
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Boo - anyone got any idea how to fix this? No space left on device message but I have *loads* of space: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1155426/
[15:02] <dogmatic69> eg: bbc.co.uk loads instant, nbc.com takes minutes
[15:02] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: rm -rf /
[15:02] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:02] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Odd, try df -i
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks but I'll pass on that one.
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69:
[15:03] <penguin42> dogmatic69: nbc.com comes up fine here - on demon
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> /dev/sda5             610800  608155    2645  100% /
[15:03] <dogmatic69> "on demon" ?
[15:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> penguin42: can I add more inodes?
[15:03] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: the "free" is pretty low there
[15:03] <dogmatic69> and IUse is 100%
[15:04] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/653096/howto-free-inode-usage
[15:05] <dogmatic69> that seems like your issue exactly
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.ivankuznetsov.com/2010/02/no-space-left-on-device-running-out-of-inodes.html
[15:07] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: you do php dev?
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> some.
[15:08] <dogmatic69> "my problem was to have an incredible amount of sessions in the /lib/php/sessions directory. "
[15:08] <dogmatic69> might be a good start
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - just read that.
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> nope
[15:09] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: You can't easily - the best bet is to find them; now what looks a little odd there is that you've only got 600k inodes allocated - how big is / ?
[15:09] <penguin42> hmm, 9G
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> At least I know what I'm looking for now.
[15:10] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Hmm is this a standard Ubuntu install?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. 10.04 server
[15:14] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: OK, if you find you haven't got any extra few hundred thousand tmp files somehwere then you may be finding the default allocation of inodes might be too low and it would be a bug; it's a heuristic where it allocates so many inodes per MB of space; you can tweak it during fs creation, but perhaps it might be better to increase it for small filesystems in some case
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a low-power machine so running for i in /*; do echo $i; find $i |wc -l; done is taking a while but I'm sure I can find enough to cleanup the system. TY
[15:17] <penguin42> np
[15:43] <zumo> Does anyone have suggestions on "Must have" applications?
[15:44] <directhex> bastion!
[15:44] <directhex> spacechem!
[15:44] <directhex> psychonauts!
[15:45] <zumo> No games :P
[15:45] <zumo> Bastion I play on teh xbox
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> \o from Frankfurt
[15:58] <directhex> well those are the must-have apps. anything else is optional.
[15:59] <zumo> How about optional applications you would suggest.#
[16:01] <dogmatic69_> zumo: google chrome
[16:02] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: rebooted the router, internet is good again \o/
[16:02] <penguin42> hmmm
[16:03] <dogmatic69_> really good... +- 7Mbps better than usual
[16:07] <zumo> dogmatic69_: Thats not optinal thats a must in my opinion! That or chromium
[16:08] <dogmatic69_> zumo> Does anyone have suggestions on "Must have" applications?
[16:09] <zumo>  I thought you were refering to my later comment.
[16:10] <dogmatic69> zumo: the apps depend on what you do. eg: if you were a programmer shooting off a bunch of graphics packages would be pointless.
[16:10] <dogmatic69> maybe tell what you do with your pc
[16:10] <dogmatic69> or want to do
[16:10] <zumo> just general day to do stuff
[16:11] <dutchie> personally i find nuvolaplayer very useful: http://nuvolaplayer.fenryxo.cz/Home.html
[18:39] <Azelphur> ali1234: rofl bitcoin price is major tanking XD
[18:39] <ali1234> i know
[18:40] <Azelphur> the value of my bitcoins went down ~£3620 in the space of a day, haha
[18:41] <Azelphur> bitcoin is fun \o/
[18:42] <ali1234> $14 was not a realistic price
[18:43] <brobostigon> and pointless, unless you happen to have a cray lieing around.
[18:44] <ali1234> reasonable price is $10 in january
[18:44] <penguin42> brobostigon: I get the feeling Azelphur's bedroom would put a 10 year old cray to shame
[18:45] <Azelphur> penguin42: probably :P
[18:45] <brobostigon> penguin42: i see.
[18:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm quite proud of myself really, I made all the right choices again
[18:45] <Azelphur> I did a partial cash out, right at the peak, just before BS&T closed
[18:45] <Azelphur> and now it's time to hole up and wait for the price to spike again
[18:46] <Azelphur> and perhaps buy low :P
[18:49] <dutchie> bitcoin/currency speculation feels too much like gambling to me
[18:49] <dutchie> i don't know enough about finance/economics for it not to just be blind luck
[18:50] <Azelphur> dutchie: I'm blind luck that somehow manages to get it right every single time without fail
[18:50] <dutchie> see, as a mathematician, i would stop now
[18:50] <ging> dutchie: i can teach you all you need to know in 1 sentence
[18:50] <ging> by low sell high
[18:50] <Azelphur> xD
[18:50] <ging> *buy
[18:50] <Azelphur> also, I bought a mining rig, paid it off in the first month
[18:50] <dutchie> well yes, but what is "low" and what is "high"?
[18:51] <Azelphur> everything I play with at this point, is money I made mining / investing / trading
[18:51] <ging> dutchie: don't complicate it
[18:51] <Azelphur> so, nothing ventured nothing lost so to speak
[18:51] <dutchie> fair enough then Azelphur
[18:52] <soreau> dutchie: low is lower than high and high is higher than low
[18:52] <dutchie> watch out, the tautology police are coming
[18:52] <Azelphur> soreau: got it in one :P
[18:53] <Azelphur> soreau: it's funny to watch all the silly people panicing, my bitcoins have lost about $6k in value today haha
[18:53]  * Azelphur isn't even worried
[18:54] <dutchie> at least with poker or something i have an understanding of what is going on, and my fate is in my own hands a lot more
[18:54] <dutchie> bitcoins are pretty much at the mercy of the market (at my level at least)
[18:54] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:02] <ali1234> lol
[19:04] <ali1234> pretty much whatever happens with pirate was going to cause a crash sooner or later
[19:04] <ali1234> even if he pays out and the price recovers (which looks unlikely for several reasons) then that would lead to hundreds of copycats (who won't pay out)
[19:13] <Azelphur> xD
[19:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: but pirate is a scammer ponzi he ain't gonna pay out :p
[19:13]  * Azelphur intends to do full face rubbing at the end of this
[19:13] <ali1234> yes
[19:13] <ali1234> also, even if he does, people will sell the payout
[19:14] <ali1234> so either way really
[19:16] <Azelphur> :P
[19:16] <Azelphur> I ain't selling my payout, I'm reinvesting
[19:16] <Azelphur> already have a couple of opportunities lined up
[19:57] <daubers> o/
[20:00] <AlanBell> o/ daubers
[20:00] <AlanBell> I appear to be running out of rubbish beer
[20:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> better find some un-rubbish beer then AlanBell
[20:01] <AlanBell> yeah, I might have to break out the decent stuff
[20:02] <daubers> So I realised over the weekend that I haven't really had a lot to do with this place recently, what's been happening?
[20:02]  * TheOpenSourcerer is waiting for a Spice Station curry delivery.
[20:02] <AlanBell> daubers: I made this: http://ratemyspicerack.com
[20:03] <AlanBell> and some event stuff in the works: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-August/034895.html
[20:04] <daubers> AlanBell: I saw the spice rack thing! Was all over my Twitter feed until I left
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer runs this most excellent command on his home-server to free up several hundred thousand inodes...
[20:05] <daubers> Also, would be up for a Christmas something
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer ( \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer KERNEL_HIGHEST=$(dpkg -l 'linux-image-[0-9.]*-[0-9]*-[a-zA-Z0-9]*' | grep ^ii | tail -n 1 | sed 's/^.*linux-image-\([0-9.]*-[0-9]*\)-[a-zA-Z0-9]*.*$/\1/') ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer KERNEL_CURRENT=$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/") ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer sudo apt-get purge $(dpkg -l 'linux-*-[0-9-]*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | sed "/$KERNEL_CURRENT/d;/$KERNEL_HIGHEST/d" ) ; \
[20:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer )
[20:06] <AlanBell> that is a command and a half
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.tolaris.com/2012/07/19/removing-old-kernels-from-ubuntu/
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is indeed
[20:06] <AlanBell> kernel source trees is it?
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Old kernels
[20:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have ~500k indoes of old kernel trees
[20:07] <penguin42> haha - that's where they went :-)
[20:07] <AlanBell> oh modules
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> dkms
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> headers
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> shedloads
[20:09]  * TheOpenSourcerer also broks a 10.04 - 12.04 upgrade today - got into a dependency broken hell loop. Will probably need to do a re-install on kid's PC.
[20:14] <dutchie> daubers: you aren't the only one who has been neglecting #u-uk!
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> curry est arrive :-)
[20:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 68 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> After this operation, 3,515MB disk space will be freed.
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[20:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> And about 400k inodes
[20:16] <daubers> dutchie: Aren't you off busy being educated or somesuch?
[20:22] <popey> pip pip
[20:22] <popey> daubers, saw you at the stop on the m6 toll, as we drove out you walked into the place
[20:23] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[20:23] <dwatkins> ahh the M6
[20:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:26] <daubers> popey: hah
[20:38] <daubers> popey: At least the 3h30min journey did only take 3h30 today!
[20:46] <czajkowski> our 2 hrs train takes over 3 hours this time
[20:54] <bittin> booking my UK tickets soon :p but only staying for 1-4 days
[20:57] <TheGurkha> bittin - where in the UK are you coming to?
[20:58] <bittin> TheGurkha, London
[20:58] <TheGurkha> cool
[20:58] <TheGurkha> I live in North Wales
[20:58] <TheGurkha> we're still in the 18th Century
[20:59] <bittin> :p
[20:59] <TheGurkha> lol
[20:59] <TheGurkha> North Wales is ace, but the tiny village I live in still doesn't even have main sewage!
[21:00] <bittin> ah well i live in Stockholm lol
[21:00] <TheGurkha> awesome
[21:14] <dutchie> daubers: i'm on holiday!
[21:15] <dutchie> but yes, most of my time is being spent learning completely useless maths
[21:31] <zumo> Can anyone here help me setup my old machines hardware for the best machine?
[22:18] <penguin42> zumo: Sure
[22:34] <zumo> penguin42 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12182283#post12182283
[22:36] <penguin42> zumo: I'm confused - the HD5450 is a PCIe card, but the motherboard is PCI
[22:37] <zumo> Give me a second till I look
[22:39] <zumo> Just looked. Its defo PCI Express
[22:40] <penguin42> zumo: Well is that the right motherboard you're listing?
[22:40] <zumo> Yup
[22:40] <penguin42> oh I see
[22:40] <penguin42> sorry
[22:40] <penguin42> It's got 1 big PCI-e slot, and 3 PCI - that's very odd!
[22:43] <penguin42> zumo: OK, so it's fairly simple; go for the HD5450 and probably the P4 2.66GHz,
[22:45] <zumo> Any ideas on bios settings?
[22:45] <zumo> I know the board lets me do some overclocking and voltage stuff
[22:46]  * penguin42 tends not to overclock stuff
[22:46] <zumo> ram settings?
[22:47] <penguin42> I'd go with whatever the BIOS decides - it should read it off the DIMM
[22:47] <penguin42> (Yes, you probably can get a little more perf out of it but test a lot to see if it's stable)
[22:48] <penguin42> zumo: so that's an OK graphics card on a very old CPU and motherboard/RAM; a slightly odd mix
[22:49] <zumo> Yea my PCs are usually build out of salvaged machines.
[22:50] <penguin42> zumo: I mean my dads machines are similar ages - although he doesn't have a graphics card that nice
[22:51] <penguin42> zumo: So you're OK, it *should* work
[22:52] <zumo> I picked it up to help my minecrafting
[22:53] <zumo> However I ran into stupid issues getting it to work on linux mint.
[22:53] <zumo> So back to windows I went.
[22:53] <zumo> Hence why I have backup hardware!
[22:54] <penguin42> zumo: That should work on mint - I mean I'd recommend Mint, and MATE in particular as a desktop given that hardware; I use the older HD4xxx series Radeon on my i7
[22:54] <zumo> Planning on running lubuntu as the damn machine normally feels piss poor
[22:55] <penguin42> yeh that should work
[22:56] <zumo> Can't wait to be able to actually being able to BUY a machine again instead of salavaged scrap.
[22:56] <penguin42> zumo: Well, I was going to wonder what you could get for your spare CPUs and graphics card; but I doubt it's enough for a usefully newer CPU and board and RAM
[22:58] <zumo> I have every intention of buying this once I have money
[22:58] <zumo> http://www.ebuyer.com/389623-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1066
[22:59] <zumo> give it a ram upgrade and it will do anything I need it to do for the next year. when I will buy whatever kicks i7s ass by then,
[23:00] <penguin42> heck; that's cheap :-)  The cheapest I managed was about 200 for the machine I bought my mum last November, that was a Dual core Celeron with 4GB (or is it 8GB) - pretty much cheapest on everything at Scan
[23:01] <zumo> Somethuing like this?
[23:01] <zumo> http://www.ebuyer.com/389049-zoostorm-desktop-pc-7873-1060
[23:01] <zumo> Yea what ive found machines like that are cheaper to buy than build. The fact it has no OS helps too
[23:02] <penguin42> yeh, similar
[23:02] <penguin42> but yeh, it might be time to upgrade my dads machines - as you find out, with hardware that old it's a pain to keep stuff up to date
[23:03] <zumo> Yea ive had to dig this out becasue I NEED it. Not becasue I want to :/
[23:10] <zumo> Looking at basic machines, I dislike these new intel machines
[23:10] <penguin42> why?
[23:10] <zumo> Anything with the word pentium or celeron just confusses me these days.,
[23:10] <zumo> Probally due to the fact I still use P4s and celerons and celeron ds
[23:11] <penguin42> zumo: Oh, just read them as 'low end version of...' and then you still have to figure out what gen they're a low end version of
[23:11] <penguin42> zumo: ark.intel.com is the best site for decoding them IMHO
[23:11] <zumo> Yea I won't be picking up an intel processor if its not i3/5/7 or newer
[23:12]  * penguin42 pats his i7
[23:12] <zumo> Yea yea rub it in it.
[23:12] <zumo> Me and my P4 are away to find the thermal paste.
[23:12] <zumo> I'll rub it right in.
[23:12] <zumo> Sounds mildly sexualy o.O
[23:12] <penguin42> always good to keep your thermal paste handy
[23:14] <zumo> Its in a one of my drawers.
[23:14] <zumo> Its a shame its cheap nasty goo.
[23:43] <zumo> I hate thermal paste
[23:49] <Seeker`> why?
[23:51] <zumo> The stuff I have is cheap crap and its a nightmare to clean.
[23:52] <zumo> Also im never sure how much to use!
[23:57] <zumo> penguin42 I have a CPU here I WISH i could use, but I am still to find a salvagable board for it.
[23:59] <penguin42> what's that?


[10:19] <allee> heh, no Keybuk ;)
[10:19] <fabbione> allee: he will be around in about 12 hours
[10:19] <fabbione> TZ difference
[10:20] <allee> anyway: Sun Galaxy X4100 sda1 versus sdi1 root dev strangeness.  After netbooting with preseeding, reboot fails can't mount /dev/sdi1.  In grub dialog s/sdi1/sda1/ and boots successful.  df shows root it now mounted on /dev/sdi1
[10:20] <allee> fabbione: no problem


[00:45] <Cheri703> computer is set back up with 12.04 :) I have a script that I keep updated so I can just run it and it'll install everything for me. I still have to do the settings and whatnot once it's installed, but it saves SO much time and energy
[00:57] <dzho> oh?
[01:08] <Cheri703> yeah, just a basic bash script. well, 2. one is set up to add all of the "extra" repositories I need, then the other one runs a "sudo apt-get install <8billionprograms>" and then removes a few. I just update it as I add or remove programs from my normal daily use. I also have a list of what settings need to be set and how, what things to add to fstab to make my windows share auto-mount, etc etc. I keep it and a few other things (that I make
[01:08] <Cheri703> symlinks to) all in my ubuntu one folder, so when setting up a computer, all I have to do is make sure it has internet, run the initial updates, sign in to ubuntu one, and run 2 scripts, then walk away for a while while it does its thing installing. I come back to hit enter a few times on the wine installer, then wander off again and come back to a computer that is 90% set up for me, and the remaining 10% a step by step thing so I don't
[01:08] <Cheri703> forget stuff.  I clear them, and then everything is fine... but still, it's kind of irritating.
[01:40] <dzho> dpkg --get-selections > all-my-installed-packages
[01:42] <dzho> then I think you can dpkg --set-selections < all-my-installed-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade
[02:05] <Cheri703> I looked for that, and I don't necessarily want *all* installed packages, sometimes you install random things and you don't necessarily need them on the next install, also I was downgrading (at least this time) and didn't want to screw anything up. :) it works for me
[02:06] <dzho> sure, just sayin'
[02:06] <dzho> all-my-installed-packages is just a text file, fwiw
[02:07] <Cheri703> but then I have to parse through it and figure out "oh, x program installed a-f additional packages" and I don't care :) I just want the top level stuff
[02:21] <dzho> yeah
[15:51] <thafreak> Got my freenas box put together last night...
[15:52] <thafreak> so either my new gold certified power supply isn't really any more efficient than the bronze one I was testing with
[15:52] <thafreak> or those wd red drives really pull a lot of juice
[15:53] <thafreak> the box was idling about 10w higher in it's final config
[15:53] <thafreak> it's still under 50w though...probably want to measure it again when it's doing like a zfs scrub though
 the new Sitegeist app is awesome. http://sitegeist.sunlightfoundation.com/ </sunlightfoundation_spam>
[15:58] <thafreak> what's it do?
[15:58] <thafreak> make my freenas faster? :-P
[16:03] <paultag> thafreak: :)


[02:42] <ObrienDave> oh, let me guess, strangeness in #u tonight ;P
[02:44] <OerHeks> Openstack, love it ...
[02:44] <ObrienDave> lol
[02:44] <daftykins> just some noobs trying to install things on broken setups again by the looks of it
[02:44] <OerHeks> but don't know a thing as i never tried to connect 7-10 servers
[02:45] <ObrienDave> shame on you ;P
[02:46] <OerHeks> reinstall saves us time too...
[02:47] <ObrienDave> and headaches
[02:47] <OerHeks> eh, i have 5 desktops now, ObrienDave. all duo cores, mostly 100 mbit
[02:47] <OerHeks> but that is no fun
[02:47] <daftykins> i definitely don't have the patience to sort that guys broken packages out :)
[02:47] <OerHeks> !details
[02:48] <OerHeks> oh
[02:48] <ObrienDave> OerHeks, glutton for punishment? ;P
[02:58] <ObrienDave> daftykins, you're a brave man :))
[02:58] <daftykins> we seem to have the class clowns in tonight
[02:59] <daftykins> heh, just silly i think
[02:59] <daftykins> i should /part and regain my sanity
[03:04] <daftykins> yeah i should totally not have mentioned dd to this guy
[03:12] <ObrienDave> adding fuel to the fire? ;P
[03:23] <daftykins> you know that situation where the user is here at point A, you know that you need to lead them through point B to get to point C... but the effort required is just way too much? :>
[03:23] <daftykins> can't save 'em all :)
[03:24] <ObrienDave> oh yea, that's about the time my fingers get me into trouble ;P
[09:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:04] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader
[12:05] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> fine thanks lordievader, and you?
[12:06] <lordievader> Doing good. Cooled off a lot during the night :)
[12:11] <BluesKaj> yes, same here, 2C overnight here
[16:50] <ObrienDave> *sigh* and so it begins ;P
[16:57] <daftykins> haha
[16:58] <OerHeks> welcome to the weekend full of drunk and funny people
[16:58] <ObrienDave> to quote daftykins, you can't save them all from themselves :P
[16:58] <daftykins> :D
[16:58] <ObrienDave> maybe i should get drunk ;P
[16:59] <OerHeks> That is funny .. no?
[16:59] <daftykins> do you guys play much pool where you're from? the snooker table sorta game. i wonder if #ubuntu support has an optimum drinking level just like pool play does? :>
[16:59] <ObrienDave> it would be funnier if i was drunk ;P
[17:00]  * ObrienDave has been playing ALL billiard games for over 50 years ;P
[17:00] <daftykins> =]
[17:00] <ObrienDave> 8-ball, 9-ball, 3-ball, billiards, snooker, straight pool. you name it, i've played it :)
[17:01] <OerHeks> lot of pooltables here in Haarlem.
[17:01] <daftykins> mmm we only get the two sets of colours, red and yellow, over here
[17:02] <ObrienDave> only one i'm not very good at is 3-cushion billiards
[17:03] <daftykins> :>
[17:03] <ObrienDave> only because i've played it 5 or 6 times in 50 years ;P
[17:03] <daftykins> there's an old billiards table with the little white and black figures at a pub we sometimes went to here, but the scoring is way too tough to keep up with when drinking
[17:06] <daftykins> so cruel to rack up thousands of points then mess up and be back to 0 :)
[17:07] <ObrienDave> they don't have the overhead bead counter?
[17:07] <daftykins> yeah :)
[17:08] <daftykins> but you know, when you're at a certain level of drinking you can easily forget which colour you are in Pool - or whether you were top or bottom on that
[17:08] <daftykins> those are some of the funniest evenings, playing doubles pool with a friend of mine
[17:09] <daftykins> it gets to either his shot or mine, we walk around the table for a while... then walk up to one another and whisper "which colour were we?"
[17:09] <ObrienDave> lol
[17:09] <ObrienDave> been there, done that ;P
[17:09] <daftykins> :D
[17:41] <ObrienDave> vodka time ;P
[17:48] <daftykins> :O
[17:49] <ObrienDave> it's either that or lose more hair than i already have LOL
[17:51] <OerHeks> "loosing hair in Colorado"
[17:52] <ObrienDave> no, losing hair in #ubuntu ;P
[17:55] <daftykins> ah i see
[17:55] <daftykins> i'm almost tempted to rejoin and look but...
[17:55] <ObrienDave> NO! DON'T DO IT! ;P
[18:00] <daftykins> =]
[18:01] <ObrienDave> oh boy, seen this nick before TheC4mel
[18:02] <OerHeks> mk270 thing iirc
[18:03] <ObrienDave> seems familiar
[18:53] <ObrienDave> BTW vodka does make it funnier ;P
[18:58] <daftykins> XD
[18:59] <daftykins> i don't think i can drink the stuff anymore, that was my gateway drink as a kid
[18:59] <daftykins> the one you are repulsed by even the smell of eventually
[19:00] <histo> silly internet went down for two days
[19:00] <daftykins> wow! that's pretty bad
[19:00] <daftykins> had some rough weather recently where you are?
[19:03] <histo> No just BS with the provider.
[19:03] <daftykins> :/
[19:03] <histo> I call them they blame my equipment.  They finally get off their lazy ass and reset whatever
[19:03] <histo> Sorry didn't know coc was inplace in here
[19:05] <daftykins> did a bot slap you or something 0o
[19:05] <daftykins> that was my local ISP's strategy often too, blame your hardware first so you go away :D
[19:06] <ObrienDave> i think all ISP have the same troubleshooting script
[19:06] <daftykins> :D
[22:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[22:33] <OerHeks> heya lotus
[22:33] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: hello mate :p
[22:33] <OerHeks> góódmorning
[22:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:33] <lotuspsychje> im babysitting for someone who went clubbing
[22:33] <lotuspsychje> kid sleeps now irc :p
[22:35] <OerHeks> nice, now don type out loud
[22:35]  * lotuspsychje doesnt mate a sound
[22:36] <ObrienDave> no using the original IBM PC keyboard ;P
[22:50] <ObrienDave> moar vodka, daftykins ;P
[22:51] <ObrienDave> and it's not getting funnier ;P
[22:51] <OerHeks> I am sorry.
[22:51] <lotuspsychje> :p
[22:51] <daftykins> XD
[22:51] <OerHeks> Mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa
[22:51] <daftykins> so there *is* an optimum drinking #ubuntu ratio
[22:51]  * lotuspsychje likes wodka redbull
[22:52]  * OerHeks is on coffee with canesugar
[22:52] <ObrienDave> no, the guy said the ISO failed the integrity check and someone insists he MD5 it anyway. sheesh
[22:53] <ObrienDave> more vodka ;P
[22:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:53] <ObrienDave> ooooooo i have cinnamon whiskey in the freezer! yummers
[22:54] <lotuspsychje> so far for quality ubuntu discussions :p
[22:54] <ObrienDave> LOL yea, i guess :)
[22:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/tickr-open-source-desktop-rss-news-ticker
[22:55] <lotuspsychje> there, now were up to date again
[22:56] <ObrienDave> hmm, i never did quite get the RSS thing. if i want news i can find it
[22:57] <lotuspsychje> well the rss app for ubuntu phone is pretty handy for me
[22:58] <ObrienDave> how is ubuntu-phone? i'm kinda getting tired of android
[22:58] <lotuspsychje> very nice
[22:58] <lotuspsychje> i run devel-proposed on my nexus7 (tablet)
[22:59] <lotuspsychje> and runs very smooth
[22:59] <ObrienDave> cool, i'll be getting new phone now that i've finished the move to denver. any suggestions?
[23:00] <lotuspsychje> the new BQ phone, or that meizu
[23:00] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: check #ubuntu-touch topic
[23:01] <lotuspsychje> for now touch run mostly on nexus devices but many other projects also worked on
[23:02] <ObrienDave> k, tnx
[23:16] <OerHeks> There is no ubuntu phone announced in the US, is it?
[23:18] <lotuspsychje> i read there was a 3rd brand will announce soon
[23:18] <lotuspsychje> not sure where ive read that
[23:18] <lotuspsychje> ans not sure it will be US
[23:21] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: http://askubuntu.com/questions/574932/when-is-ubuntu-phone-touch-coming-to-the-u-s
[23:22] <lotuspsychje> twitter: Now this is exciting! “@omgubuntu: Btw, USA folk, you'll get news about your very own #UbuntuPhone from an as-yet-unnamed OEM in June ;)”


[01:49] <ubotu> norrizyth called the ops in #ubuntuforums
[01:50] <PriceChild> tis nothing
[04:50] <ubotu> AndrewB called the ops in #ubuntu
[04:52] <AndrewB> Woo that's me.
[05:26] <nzk> Hey, it's been over a year. Can I be unbanned from #ubuntu?
[05:27] <nzk> And it's been 9 months for -offtopic.
[09:10] <Seveas> Mez, ?
[11:01] <stdin> just a notice for those care, nicio in #ubuntu is xp_killer, he was banned from #k but changed his ident and host so re-banned
[11:02] <stdin> nvm, nick changed anyway
[11:20] <stdin> nicio: can we help you?
[11:32] <nicio> lol
[11:34] <elkbuntu> right, he's gone
[11:34] <elkbuntu> or will be soon
[11:34] <elkbuntu> done
[12:10] <elkbuntu> he's in both kubuntu and ubuntu offtopics now
[01:32] <dinamizador> hola
[01:32] <dinamizador> qye tal
[01:32] <dinamizador> hay alguien ahi
[02:10] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: !tribe6 is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Tribe 6 is not a formal release, but rather a bugfixing milestone.  Please see http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g for more information.
[02:11] <Hobbsee> !tribe6 is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) Tribe 6 is not a formal release, but rather a bugfixing milestone.  Please see http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g for more information.
[02:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:36] <Pici> !ping
[03:38] <Pici> Blarg. The bot only appears to be in 3 channels.
[03:40] <elkbuntu> Seveas, netsplit killed teh bot
[03:41] <elkbuntu> it could be still syncing, but it shouldnt take this long
[04:00] <Pici> What has to be done to get ubot3 up and running?
[04:03] <Gary> beg nalioth to get it to join?
[04:04] <Pici> nalioth: ping! ubotu is dead, long live ubot3, or something. Can we get ubot3 in #ubuntu, etc
[04:04] <Tm_T> Pici: remember to kiss his feets too
[04:05] <Gary> ewww
[04:28] <jrib> PriceChild: ubotwo available?
[04:29] <PriceChild> Hello...
[04:29] <PriceChild> *checks*
[04:29] <PriceChild> I think ubotwo is broken
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Pici: woulid require a ssh connection into somewhere
[04:30] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, not really...
[04:30] <PriceChild> if we just had capabilities to join/part it that would be a lot better than we have now
[04:30] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: to restart the bot?
[04:30] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: oh true.  youd' need admin capabilities
[04:30] <Pici>  @join and @part should work
[04:31] <PriceChild> at the end of the day if its having troubles connecting in the first place, then we won't have an easy time ssh'ing?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> you'd still be screwed if the box went down, etc, though
[04:31] <PriceChild> Its something to bring up at the first meeting!!! :D
[04:31] <PriceChild> ubotwo's still broken yes
[04:31] <jrib> Hobbsee: /less/ screwed though
[04:31] <Hobbsee> true, true
[04:32] <PriceChild> i don't think encyclopedia is loaded on it, and i only have join/part capabilities on it
[04:32] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i think it's just muddled from the netsplit. it's done it before under the circumstances
[04:33] <PriceChild> its in quite a few channels... more that the 3 pici stated earlier
[04:34] <jrib> must be on strike from being overworked in #ubuntu
[04:34] <Tm_T> well its not in #kubuntu either
[04:34] <Pici> It is? /whois still returns #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:35] <jrib> I get: #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-classroom
[04:35] <PriceChild> #xubuntu #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-effects #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntuforums-hardware #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-proxy-users #kubuntu-offtopic #launchpad
[04:35] <PriceChild> he's +s
[04:36] <Pici> ah.
[04:36] <PriceChild> or whatever the appropriate user mode is
[04:40] <mc44> +i
[04:41] <jrib> -mc44
[04:41] <mc44> !jrib
[04:57] <zylche> Nice, operations. Can I get a secure line with ubuntulog from here?
[04:58] <Pumpernickel> Nope... the agents cut the hardline, so we're all evacuating right now.
[05:04] <zylche> damnit.
[05:07] <nalioth> Gary: Pici: happy now?
[05:08] <Pici> nalioth: Yes, but I'm still not kissing your feet.
[05:08] <elkbuntu> yay, now we can !paste people! :D
[05:08] <nalioth> i'm not into that  :|
[05:08] <Gary> nalioth, I'm not happy
[05:23] <Gary> yay
[05:32] <nalioth> Gary: do you know what polecat is?
[05:52] <LongPointyStick> !logs
[05:54] <nalioth> ubot3: logs
[05:54] <ubot3> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:54] <nalioth> LongPointyStick: ubotu is MIA, ya gotta talk to ubot3 by name in here
[05:54] <LongPointyStick> fun
[05:59] <PriceChild> xp_killer is in -offtopic btw
[06:00] <PriceChild> Tm_T, you around?
[06:00] <Tm_T> yes
[06:00] <Tm_T> and I banned him in #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:00] <Tm_T> but no kick
[06:00] <Tm_T> let him find the way out himself ;)
[06:00] <PriceChild> #kubuntu don't you mean as well?
[06:01] <Tm_T> IIRC he's been banned there already
[06:02] <Tm_T> thanks to stdin
[06:02] <stdin> :)
[06:03] <Tm_T> btw wouldnt it be nice to us to have launchpad karma from bans and kicks?
[06:08] <nicio> m
[06:08] <nicio> hello
[06:09] <Tm_T> hi hi nicio honey
[06:09] <nicio> how many time i got left to be unban
[06:09] <nicio> lol
[06:10] <nicio> Tm_T: is it stdin that told u about ?
[06:10] <Tm_T> about what?
[06:10] <nicio> nothhing
[06:10] <Tm_T> I know your stance
[06:10] <nicio> Tm_T: how much time i got left?
[06:10] <Tm_T> time? it depends, how you behave in overall
[06:11] <nicio> Tm_T: u know my stance.no one would of know about me if i hadnt change my name to xp....
[06:11] <Tm_T> yes I would
[06:12] <nicio> Tm_T: when i just reinstall linux i was behaven.when i change my name to xp they ban me
[06:12] <Tm_T> because of ban evasion
[06:13] <nicio> i didnt evade i just reinstall no one help me to solve my problem so i reinstall
[06:14] <nicio> Tm_T: but for the past 6hours i was behaven and u didnt unban me
[06:15] <Tm_T> nicio: 6 hours isnt enough
[06:15] <nicio> stdin: told me 8
[06:16] <nicio> Tm_T: i havent do nothing after 6hour no badness
[06:16] <nicio> i just ask for help in offtopic and u ban me
[06:16] <nicio> that is not justice
[06:17] <Tm_T> nicio: how about wait 24 hours from now, and we'll talk about it again, ok?
[06:17] <nicio> Tm_T: 2hour
[06:17] <Tm_T> nicio: no, 24 hours
[06:18] <nicio> they told me 8
[06:18] <Tm_T> who told?
[06:18] <nicio> stdin:
[06:18] <Tm_T> well thats his call, not mine
[06:18] <nalioth> nicio: would you like to go for a week?
[06:18] <nicio> lol
[06:19] <nicio> by time linux will crash if i dont get help an i will eventualy go back to xp
[06:19] <Tm_T> if thats your choice...
[06:20] <nicio> xp i dont like that virus home
[06:20] <nalioth> anything else we can help you with, nicio ?
[06:20] <nicio> ok i'm going just tell me how long i got to wait till im unban?
[06:21] <nicio> m
[06:21] <Tm_T> nicio: 24 hours minimum, as said
[06:21] <nicio> ok
[06:21] <Tm_T> wow
[06:21] <Tm_T> no whining, bitching, nothing
[06:21] <Tm_T> almost like, he might learn :o
[06:22] <stdin> for the record, I told him "about 8 hours probably" 16 hours after the initial ban
[06:22] <Pici> Tm_T: Thats because he did all his whining and bitching in u-offtopic before I told him to come here.,
[06:22] <Tm_T> haha
[06:22] <Tm_T> have to read those
[06:24] <stdin> hmm, no bot in #k :(
[06:25] <PriceChild> nalioth, ^
[06:26] <stdin> that's better :)
[06:27] <ikonia> can someone pleaseinvesitate koustotu's attitude and language in #ubuntu+1
[06:28] <PriceChild> I'll take a look.
[06:28] <ikonia> thanks
 hi this is mikes  mother, do any one you know where he is?
[06:43] <PriceChild> :D
[06:44] <Daviey> flooder #ubuntu+1
[06:44] <ikonia> time waster / troll / flooder / $anything else  in #ubuntu+1
[06:45] <Daviey> ikonia: too slow ;)
[06:45] <ikonia> nah, I was just building on your comment
[06:46] <Daviey> add plonker aswell then
[06:46] <ikonia> yeah, thats about right
[07:04] <Seveas> !ops | bot is coming back
[07:05] <Seveas> (for those who have !ops on highlight ;)
[07:05] <Pici> ack
[07:05] <Mez> have muted BABA_RECORD in #ubuntu for asking for credit card numbers
[07:05] <Tm_T> Seveas: :)
[07:06] <Tm_T> Mez: why only mute?
[07:06] <Tm_T> IMO thats direct kickban
[07:06] <nalioth> Mez: wtf are you doing?
[07:07] <Mez> eep,, did I just /notice ?
[07:07] <Pici> Yes.
[07:07] <Mez> *headesks*
[07:08] <Mez> * BABA_RECORD any one have any Credit card who work ?
[07:08] <Mez> * BABA_RECORD any one have any Credit card who work ?
[07:08] <Seveas> k/b'ed from #ubuntu and -offtopic
[07:08] <nalioth> Mez: yes, i see him
[07:08] <Mez> that was the reason, didnt mean to /notice tho
[07:08] <Mez> grr
[07:09] <Mez> next tmie i'm just switchign channels
[07:09] <Pici> ubotu is back in #ubuntu
[07:12] <Tm_T> Mez: =)
[07:13] <Mez> yes Tm_T ?
[07:13] <Tm_T> notice :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> !staff
[07:14] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[07:14] <Tm_T> that BABA_RECORD is travelling from channel to channel with his requests
[07:15] <Tm_T> #openmoko included this far
[07:15] <Tm_T> and #kde
[07:15] <Mez> nalioth? anything you cando bout it
[07:15] <nalioth> klined
[07:15] <Tm_T> nalioth: <3
[07:15] <nalioth> Pici: trolls just want to disrupt things
[07:16] <Pici> nalioth: I know.
[07:16] <Seveas> elkbuntu, prod
[08:36] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: no wfm is <alias> worksforme
[08:41] <Tulroe> Pici's in ur ubotu, changing ur factoids...
[08:41] <mc44> Tulroe's in ur jdong pretendin not to be jdong
[08:41] <Tulroe> mc44: hush ;-)
[08:41] <Tulroe> I'm supposed to be dead.
[08:42] <Tulroe> and obviously it's not working
[08:43] <Tulroe> did Pricey tell you, or is it really that obvious? :D
[08:44] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !wfm is bla
[08:45] <Pici> not john
[08:45] <nalioth> running as root, too  tsk tsk
[08:45] <Tulroe> nalioth: nah just /set real name to root ;-)
[08:45] <Tulroe> I accidentally came on as jdong@
[08:45] <Tulroe> and quikly cooked up an excuse
[08:46] <Tulroe> that required root to be plausible :D
[08:46] <Tulroe> this has oddly made me spend more time on IRC
[08:46] <Tulroe> 90% of which is spent mocking pricey :D
[08:46] <nalioth> Tulroe: you know that is trolling   :P
[08:46] <Tulroe> lol it's fun to be on the other side once in a while ;-)
[08:47] <Tulroe> now, IRC world should follow suit of forums and do chuck norris week :)
[08:47] <mc44> Tulroe: why are you in-cog-neato
[08:48] <Tulroe> mc44: (1) wanted to take a break from IRC to catch up on schoolwork (2) wanted to teach someone a lesson for always making fun of me...
[08:48] <Tulroe> apparently I took a bunch of pills or something and am in the hospital
[08:48] <mc44> Those kids can be so cruel
[08:48] <Tulroe> heck at this point I don't even know the story :)
[08:48] <Tulroe> but she's learned her lesson already
[08:49] <Tulroe> now I'm trying to be as out-of-character as pricey as possible...
[08:49] <Tulroe> seeing when she'll snap and realize it's me.
[08:49] <Tulroe> so far I've used "dearie me" no less than 50 times in 5 hours, and she is still not suspicious
[08:51] <Tulroe> hmm I'm gonna try to revert back to me....
[08:52] <Seveas> someone should now kline jdong as impostor. Maximum confusion :)
[08:52] <jdong> :D
[08:52] <jdong> lol
[08:52] <jdong> that sounds fun!
[08:52] <Seveas> nalioth, pweeeeeeeeeez :)
[08:53] <jdong> how do I get back on afterwards? :)
[08:53] <Seveas> that's not important :)
[08:53] <mc44> jdong: you dont, but you do get a lot more school work done
[08:53] <jdong> sounds good :D
[08:54] <jdong> lol.. I told her I found jdong's irssi.conf with nickserv password
[08:54] <jdong> and she bought it.
[08:56] <jdong> so do I get a kline?
[08:56] <jdong> sometimes I ask myself.. .what am I asking for... :)
[09:17] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, patty said: ubotu what is the meaning of life
[09:34] <ubotu> preaction called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:44] <nalioth> jdong: with a 52,000.000 minute k-line, you'll have a long time to think about getting back here
[09:44] <jdong> aaahhhhh
[09:44] <jdong> ok ok change of plans...
[09:44] <jdong> got things sorted out another way :D
[09:49] <mneptok> do not taunt Happy Fun Ball
[09:50] <nzk> Seveas: ping
[09:50] <nalioth> jdong: how about 41,038,648 minutes ?
[09:50] <jdong> lol
[09:50] <jdong> tha'ts a lot of minutes
[09:51] <jdong> is that the countdown for the new iraqi government?
[09:51] <nalioth> jdong: those are "millions of minutes"
[09:51] <jdong> phase 4 of the prank is quite genius...
[09:51] <jdong> another friend of mine came up with it...
[09:51] <jdong> revert to normal and pretend none of it happened
[09:52] <nzk> Seveas: when you see this message -- It's been a year. Just under 13 months, rather. So can I *finally* be unbanned from #ubuntu?
[09:52] <jdong> oh dear I hope I don't make the poor person insane...
[10:54] <PriceChild> Hey Seveas, elkbunt.u would prefer a meeting between 12 and 16 utc, nal.ioth can do any time with warning, what about you?
[10:55] <Seveas> anywhere between 8-22 UTC
[10:56] <Tm_T> hai
[10:56] <nalioth> who's nal.ioth ?
[10:56] <Seveas> you with a dot
[10:56] <PriceChild> you just missed him
[10:56] <PriceChild> hehe so i guess for the first meeting we have to choose between elky and sev :P
[10:57] <Seveas> eh?
[10:57] <mc44> PriceChild fails at time
[10:57] <Seveas> 12-16 is a subset of 8-22
[10:57] <PriceChild> bah
[10:57] <PriceChild> was manically switching between 12 and 24 8-)
[10:58] <Seveas> oooh
[10:58] <Seveas> @lart ubotu
[10:58] <PriceChild> So how about 12utc sometime early next week?
[10:58] <Seveas> hah
[10:58] <Seveas> "" to the rescue
[10:58] <Seveas> 0x200B zero width space
[10:59] <Seveas> no need for dots
[10:59] <mc44> PriceChild: hoping to find LjL by then? :P
[10:59] <Seveas> PriceChild,
[10:59] <Seveas> did that highlight you PriceChild ?
[10:59] <PriceChild> *wonders why that didn't ping him*
[11:00] <PriceChild> between the c and h
[11:00] <Seveas> zero width space :)
[11:00] <PriceChild> haha
[11:00] <Seveas> 0x200B is goof
[11:00] <Seveas> good even
[11:00] <PriceChild> Seveas smells
[11:00] <Tm_T> goofy goodies!
[11:01] <PriceChild> sooo.... Monday the 17th, 12utc?
[11:02] <PriceChild> nothing on for that date yet
[11:02] <Tm_T> ?
[11:02] <Seveas> fine by me
[11:02] <Tm_T> irc council?
[11:02] <Seveas> nalioth, ?
[11:02] <PriceChild> Tm_T, yeah
[11:02] <nalioth> Seveas: with advance notice, i'm fine with anything
[11:02] <PriceChild> nalioth, Monday the 17th, 12 utc
[11:03] <Seveas> nalioth, then you're fine with this :)
[11:03] <nzk> Oh, right, Seveas has /ignored me. Would another op care to tell him that I'm in here requesting an unban after 13 months?
[11:03] <PriceChild> nzk, one moment
[11:04] <PriceChild> I'll copy the FC's agenda page for us, and mail the ubuntu-irc ML saying the date/time
[11:04] <Tm_T> I'm free to be audience there?
[11:04] <Seveas> sure
[11:04] <PriceChild> Yeah these meetings are open
[11:04] <Tm_T> lovely :)
[11:04] <PriceChild> as per the governance doc
[11:07] <Seveas> @lart ubotu
[11:08] <Tm_T> ok, thats cruel
[11:08] <Seveas> cruel ubotu likes to be
[11:10] <mc44> yay we can all go along and heckle PriceChild
[11:11] <nalioth> who gets to jeckle PriceChild ?
[11:11] <PriceChild> noone
[11:11] <PriceChild> but you all get to heckle me ;)
[11:11] <Seveas> jekyl
[11:11] <Seveas> hide!
[11:12] <nalioth> Seveas: here in the US we have a cartoon with two characters "Heckle and Jeckly"
[11:12] <nalioth> Jeckle
[11:12] <nalioth> bleh
[11:12] <mc44> ok, I can jeckle PriceChild, sounds fun
[11:19] <jdong> mc44: didn't you do that last night already? ;-)
[11:20] <mc44> jdong: only in an unofficial capacity
[11:20] <mc44> jdong: now it's time for some Pro-jeckling
[11:20] <jdong> lol
[11:31] <Amaranth> dude, bad timing
[11:31] <Amaranth> well, i won't be there anyway
[11:31] <Tm_T> =)
[11:31] <Seveas> Amaranth, timing will always be bad for someone
[11:31] <PriceChild> We'll try and change the times a little I'm sure.
[11:32] <Amaranth> well, it'd normally be alright but i'll be in london then for the compiz stuff
[11:32] <PriceChild> you're all going to london?
[11:32] <Tm_T> wow
[11:32] <Amaranth> not all of us
[11:32] <Tm_T> ubotu goes capitalised
[11:32] <Seveas> Amaranth, 12:00 utc is 12:00 in london as well :)
[11:32] <Amaranth> Seveas: I'll be a little busy, I'm sure
[11:32] <mc44> actually its 1pm
[11:32] <PriceChild> well 1 8-)
[11:33] <mc44> but anyway :)
[11:33] <Tm_T> pm?
[11:33] <Daviey> Depends what time of year ;)
[11:33] <Seveas> mc44, not this time of year
[11:33] <Tm_T> private message?
[11:33] <mc44> @now London
[11:33] <Ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: September 11 2007, 22:33:25 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 22 hours 26 minutes
[11:33] <Pici> post meridian
[11:33] <Seveas> @now
[11:33] <Ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 11 2007, 21:33:31 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 22 hours 26 minutes
[11:33] <Seveas> ah drad
[11:33] <ikonia> If your in london I'd be happy to get a round of drinks in
[11:33] <mc44> :P
[11:33] <Seveas> ctupid summertime
[11:33] <mc44> ikonia: if you're buying... :P
[11:33] <ikonia> yup
[11:33] <Tm_T> haha
[11:33] <ikonia> happy to buy a round
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> @lart daylight savings time for being silly, confusing, and not actually helpful
[11:39] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: does that mean we wont have daylight savings time in 24 hours?
[11:39] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: Depends how effective Jack Bauer is.  He might get a snack first.
[11:39] <Tm_T> well he usually spends 24 hours, right?
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> beats me
[11:41] <mc44> it's called 24. Clue is in the title :)
[11:44] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: me neither know, except the 24 hour limit :)
[11:48] <Seeker`> actually,  a series of 24 only lasts 18 hours
[11:57] <Tm_T> Seeker`: no, actions in it happens in 24 hours
[11:57] <Tm_T> not actual showtime
[12:08] <Seeker`> the point of it was that stuff happeend in "real time"
[12:09] <Seeker`> however, in america, they put breaks in
[12:09] <Seeker`> which equates to 15 mins out of every hour
[12:09] <Seeker`> which means that when there are no breaks, each episode only lasts 45 mins
[12:10] <nalioth> Seeker`: you're mistaken  :(
[12:10] <nalioth> the capitalists have now gotten tv shows down to 39 or 40 minutes per actual content
[12:10] <Seeker`> :(
[12:10] <Seeker`> well, when series 1 of 24 was shown on BBC2, it filled a 45 min timeslot
[12:11] <PriceChild> Seeker`, don't forget the random "what's on next" "adverts" at the start and end of that slot
[12:13] <Seeker`> PriceChild, true
[12:45] <delskorch> Hello ops, I was banned from #ubuntu on Sunday (or maybe yesterday). Can someone please let me know why.
[12:45] <delskorch> Thanks.
[12:46] <PriceChild> Hey delskorch, I'll take a look for you :)
[12:46] <delskorch> Appreciate it.
[12:49] <PriceChild> delskorch, you /ctcp ping'd the entire channel it seems
[12:49] <delskorch> ah, I think I remember seeing the results of that.
[12:50] <delskorch> It was definitely not intended. Anyway I can have the ban lifted?
[12:50] <PriceChild> I will do so now, and hope that it doesn't happen again :)
[12:50] <delskorch> Thanks. I'll avoid that.
[12:51] <PriceChild> Have fun.
[12:51] <delskorch> Great. Thanks PriceChild
[12:51] <Tm_T> ooh that was smooth!
[12:52] <PriceChild> Tm_T, hmm?
[12:52] <Tm_T> no cursing, calling names, no tarshing
[12:53] <PriceChild> was probably an acciadent
[12:53] <PriceChild> *accident
[12:53] <Seveas> some people simply make hones mistakes and have no foul intentions
[12:53] <Tm_T> Seveas: I know :)
[12:53] <Seveas> increasingly rare, but it happens :)
[12:53] <PriceChild> bantracker didn't show his join in the backlog so yeah
[12:53] <PriceChild> doesn't seem like he joined just to ping for example
[12:53] <Tm_T> I was happy he did act well :)
[01:10] <Tm_T> xp_killer got around atleast one ban
[01:10] <Tm_T> I think I patched it
[01:10] <nalioth> Tm_T: oh?
[01:10] <Tm_T> new dynamic ip, blame stdin
[01:10] <nalioth> ah
[01:11] <Tm_T> I hope the latest will hold him well enough until we are ready to release him =)
[01:11] <Tm_T><EMAIL_ADDRESS>is ok mask?


[00:21] <bdrung> i have some issue with the daily build: Unable to load plugin 'builder' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/bzrlib/plugins' https://launchpadlibrarian.net/59824676/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:28] <wgrant> soren: We've just fixed that build. But it failed to upload because a newer one finished already.
[00:28] <wgrant> soren: So everything looks OK now.
[00:29] <wallyworld> bdrung: looking now
[00:45] <wallyworld> bdrung: it appears there's a config problem on Canonical's end, which is being looked at. I'll ping you when I have some more information
[00:56] <bdrung> wallyworld: thanks
[00:58] <wallyworld> bdrung: np. the person i am waiting for input on may not be able to respond straight away. want me to email you any status update?
[01:34] <wallyworld> bdrung: you still there? do you have a link to the actual build in addition to the log you posted?
[01:48] <wallyworld> bdrung: seems like an issue with just the one server. you could try building again and it should work, fingers crossed
[02:22] <thumper> wallyworld: it could be 10 builders... it seems that several new builders were added
[02:22] <thumper> wallyworld: we should check with bigjools later
[02:38] <wallyworld> thumper: ok, i'll send him an email. i've already mailed james_w and lamont
[02:58] <lamont> wallyworld: thanks for the email, fixing that machine now :(
[02:58] <lamont> there may still be a machine or two, I'd love to hear about any similar ones
[02:59] <wallyworld> lamont: np. thanks for looking at it so promptly :-) would it be wise to check the other newly added machines too?
[02:59] <lamont> it's actually the ones that were new sometime (specific) last week. :(
[03:00] <lamont> and checking them is problematic
[03:00] <wallyworld> lamont: i only know about that one case so far - i'll be sure to tell you if any more come by way :-)
[03:00] <lamont> or at least annoyiung
[03:00] <wallyworld> s/by/my
[03:00] <lamont> should be a quantity approximating zero.
[03:00] <wallyworld> here's hoping :-)
[03:02] <lamont> wallyworld: and the build url is much more helpful to me than the buildlog, should a similar occasion arise.. (I can get from the url -> log, but not the other way without pain)
[03:03] <wallyworld> lamont: np. i think i included the url in the email? i only got the log from the user who reported the problem but got help from aaron to get the url
[03:05] <lamont> you did included it (and you clearly understand the pain I feel when they give me just the log)
[03:05] <wallyworld> well, aaron does, and i'm starting to :-)
[03:06] <lamont> to be fair, I've thus far gotten away with "give me a url if you want me to check on that, kthx"
[03:06] <wgrant> lamont: Are they not running the latest lp-buildd?
[03:06] <lamont> wgrant: there were a few, it seems, that got missed
[03:07] <wgrant> lamont: It seems like buildd-manager should disable them.
[03:07] <lamont> on the bright side, I can now actually log in and check these things
[03:07] <lamont> build-manager can't even query them to find out what version they're running
[03:07] <wgrant> Well, it *should* be able to.
[03:08] <wgrant> And then we have FFs or something specifying the allowable versions.
[03:08] <wgrant> And anything else gets disabled.
[03:08] <lamont> +99
[05:51] <matthewg42> Hi.  I have a local bzr repository with a bound copy of the trunk of my project (lp:stellarium).  It's quite a big project and my pipe is not so fat.  I branched a local feature branch, which i wish to upload to launchpad.  How can I do this efficiently?  I did this before, but it uploaded the whole thing and took forever.  Is there a way I can branch from lp:stellarium on the lp servers without havin to upload every
[05:54] <matthewg42> If figure if I can do the main branch on the lp servers directly (and fast), I can then merge in my local branch to that to sync them up.  This means I don't have to download or upload the whole repo...  Is this a sane expectation?
[05:59] <exarkun> I don't understand https://edge.launchpad.net/twisted/main/+addrelease
[05:59] <exarkun> Can I skip the milestone part?
[06:02] <wgrant> exarkun: A release is a special case of a milestone. So you need to select an existing milestone or create a new one.
[06:03] <lifeless> exarkun: you can automate it
[06:03] <lifeless> exarkun: but not skip it
[06:03] <lifeless> exarkun: there are a few scripts around already that automate it
[06:04] <exarkun> maybe someday I'll want to use one of those
[06:04] <exarkun> right now, it only takes about 2 clicks to create a milestone, so I'm not extremely concerned with the manual labor
[06:04] <matthewg42> maybe my question is better suited to #bzr eh?
[06:05] <exarkun> it's mostly a problem because I have no idea what a milestone is, or what any of its attributes might be
[06:05] <wgrant> matthewg42: Which version of bzr are you using?
[06:05] <matthewg42> 2.2.1
[06:05] <wgrant> matthewg42: Where'd you push the branch to?
[06:06] <matthewg42> I didn't push anywhere yet.  My question is essentially...  push takes too long because it sends then entire local repository branch over the network, when 99% of the data already exists in the trunk branch in lp.
[06:06] <wgrant> matthewg42: Branches should automatically stack on lp:stellarium -- that is, they will only upload new data.
[06:06] <matthewg42> I /will/ push to lp:~matthew-porpoisehead/stellarium/nightmode
[06:06] <wgrant> Your '
[06:07] <wgrant> Your 'satellites' branch stacked.
[06:07] <matthewg42> hmm.  didn't last time
[06:07] <wgrant> Your 'deltat' branch did not.
[06:07] <wgrant> Not sure why.
[06:07] <matthewg42> yeah, I created satellites before I started using a local repo
[06:07] <wgrant> You should see a message about stacking when you push up your next one.
[06:07] <matthewg42> so originally my local satellites was a full checkout of lp:stellarium
[06:08] <wgrant> matthewg42: So, just push it up. It should work.
[06:09] <matthewg42> since then I did bzr init-repo, checked out lp:stellarium into a branch called "trunk" locally, and made deltat as a local branch of that.  then when I pushed deltat, lp didn't figure out that it was a branch of lp:stellarium
[06:10] <wgrant> You didn't terminate the first push then push again?
[06:10] <wgrant> Or create the branch through the UI first?
[06:10] <matthewg42> what do you mean "create the branch through the UI first"?
[06:10] <matthewg42> via the web site?
[06:10] <wgrant> Sorry, the web UI, yes.
[06:10] <matthewg42> I was working from the bzr docs which talk about doing stuff on the lp site.
[06:10] <matthewg42> how do I do that?
[06:10] <wgrant> There is a (pointless) link there to create a branch.
[06:10] <wgrant> You don't want to use it.
[06:11] <wgrant> Just wondering if you did last time.
[06:11] <matthewg42> sorry... new to distributed vcs!
[06:11] <matthewg42> I don't think I used the GUI
[06:11] <wgrant> So, try pushing to lp:~matthew-porpoisehead/stellarium/nightmode. It should tell you at the start that it's stacking on lp:stellarium or similar.
[06:12] <matthewg42> k
[06:12] <wgrant> If not, we will debug.
[06:13] <matthewg42> "Using default stacking branch /~stellarium/stellarium/trunk at lp-67423056:///~matthew-porpoisehead/stellarium"
[06:13] <matthewg42> looks like it's working.  :D
[06:13] <wgrant> Yep.
[06:13] <wgrant> Stacked on:
[06:13] <wgrant> lp:stellarium
[06:13] <matthewg42> thanks.  don't know what I did the delta-t branch!
[06:13] <wgrant> Success.
[06:13] <matthewg42> must have done something differently.
[06:15] <matthewg42> I have no clue what.  OK, well that makes me feel a lot better about making feature branches in this way now.
[06:15] <matthewg42> Well thank you for your help.
[06:15] <wgrant> matthewg42: If you work out what you did different with the other one, I'd be interested to know.
[06:16] <matthewg42> me too
[06:17] <matthewg42> and I'd like to fix it if possible.  I assume the deltat branch is taking up a lot of unnecessary disk space on lp's servers
[06:18] <matthewg42> wgrant: I see a difference when I do bzr info...
[06:18] <matthewg42> deltat has one additional line of output: submit branch: /media/loop/stellarium/trunk
[06:18] <matthewg42> hang on, I'll pastebin the whole thing for you
[06:19] <matthewg42> wgrant: http://pastebin.ca/2006542
[06:19] <matthewg42> what sets this submit branch?
[06:19] <wgrant> That's probably unimportant. It was something different about the way you pushed.
[06:19] <matthewg42> oh
[06:20] <matthewg42> the command I pushed with just now (successfully) is: bzr push lp:~matthew-porpoisehead/stellarium/night
[06:20] <wgrant> Right.
[06:20] <matthewg42> Perhaps...  I had uncommitted changes in my local trunk when I pushed deltat... would that do it?
[06:22] <matthewg42> I don't generally have uncommitted changes in my local trunk, but it is possible.
[06:23] <wgrant> I doubt it. The most common cause is that you start a push, terminate it before it finishes, then repush.
[06:24] <matthewg42> That is also possible.  I'm control-C happy.
[06:24] <matthewg42> Is there anything I can check to see what I might have done?
[06:25] <wgrant> ~/.bzr.log should have timestamps for each command.
[06:25] <matthewg42> aha
[06:27] <matthewg42> I think you're right:  bzr arguments: [u'push', u'--remember', u'lp:~matthew-porpoisehead/stellarium/deltat'] .... KeyboardInterrupt
[06:27] <matthewg42> It appears I remembered that I should check to see if there were any changes to merge from lp:stellarium because the next thing I did was:
[06:28] <wgrant> There's apparently a bug for that. But I can't find it.
[06:28] <matthewg42> bzr arguments: [u'commit', u'-m', u'merge from trunk']
[06:28] <matthewg42> then I pushed again
[06:28] <wgrant> Hah.
[06:28] <wgrant> Yeah, so you should try to avoid Ctrl+C'ing the initial push.
[06:28] <matthewg42> OK, noted.
[06:29] <matthewg42> I don't want to clog up lp's servers with full branches
[06:29] <matthewg42> if I remove the branch on lp now, and push again my deltat will it create a stakced branch ok?
[06:30] <wgrant> Yup.
[06:30] <matthewg42> (I just want to check that removing the branch on lp actually removes it and clears state, and doesn't do some "clever" stuff just making it as removed until I try to push again)
[06:30] <matthewg42> OK, I'll do that.
[06:30] <wgrant> You'll probably have to reasociate the blueprint, but apart from that it'll work fine.
[06:30] <matthewg42> wgrant: thank you for your help.  most useful.
[07:01] <matthewg42> Are there plans to implemented a "feature request" system?  I find the wishlist bug status to be unsatisfying.
[07:04] <lifeless> matthewg42: not that I'm aware of
[07:04] <fta2> hi. is there a problem with the ppa publishing task?
[07:05] <fta2> https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1379136/+listing-archive-extra  says "i386 - Pending publication", but https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/2070063 says it "Finished 1 hour ago"
[07:06] <fta2> isn't it supposed to be 15min?
[07:21] <wallyworld> fta2: not sure, i'll have a look
[07:22] <fta2> wallyworld, thanks
[07:25] <wallyworld> wgrant: ^^^^^^ any ideas?
[07:33] <wallyworld> fta2: i am trying to find a packaging person to help with your issue; i'll email or irc once we know something
[07:52] <wgrant> fta2: It's meant to be every 5 minutes, but it was down to every 20 earlier this morning. I'm not sure what's happening now.
[08:06] <soren> wgrant: Yes, it eventually failed because a newer one landed before it. It still took hours for it to upload.
[08:07] <wgrant> soren: It was hit by a race condition which knocked it out of the incoming queue. We manually moved it back in, and a minute later it was processed (and rejected) as expected.
[08:07] <wgrant> We believe that the race is fixed, but the fix is not yet deployed.
[08:09] <soren> wgrant: Ah, ok. Cool, thanks.
[08:15] <wallyworld> wgrant: with the above issue, the amd64 build got published fine, it's just the i386 build that's busted
[08:16] <wgrant> wallyworld: The i386 build finished half an hour later.
[08:17] <wallyworld> wgrant: yes, but it's *still* pending publication all this time later?
[08:17] <wgrant> Right, something must have broken in that half-hour interval.
[08:19] <wallyworld> wgrant: i've been called for dinner. is there something that needs to be poked to fix it?
[08:20] <wgrant> wallyworld: Julian should be around soonish, so you can probably eat.
[08:20] <wallyworld> wgrant: thanks :-) i'll ping him after dinner
[08:46] <wgrant> fta2: Should all be good now.
[09:10] <wallyworld_> wgrant: you fix something?
[09:11] <wgrant> wallyworld_: No -- see #launchpad-dev.
[09:12] <wallyworld_> wgrant: ok. thanks
[10:14] <ali1234> i just noticed a bug i reported on bugs.meego.com in my launchpad page and i was wondering why...
[10:15] <ali1234> this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rpm/+bug/635491
[10:15] <ali1234> is someone automatically pulling in all bugs from BMO or something?
[10:16] <nigelb> There is a remote watch enabled
[10:16] <nigelb> Is launchpad.net/~n3npq you?
[10:16] <ali1234> no
[10:16] <ali1234> the original description of the bug is verbatim copy of what i wrote on meego bugzilla
[10:17] <ali1234> and accredited to me
[10:17] <ali1234> so it's not like someone independantly reported it and then set up the watch
[10:17] <nigelb> Probably
[10:17] <nigelb> Its the other way around I guess
[10:18] <ali1234> sorry, i don't understand
[10:18] <nigelb> If you notice in the oringal description
[10:18] <nigelb> It says "In Meego #5546, Alistair Buxton wrote on 2010-08-18"
[10:18] <ali1234> yes, that's me
[10:18] <nigelb> So, its pulling from the meego bug tracker into lp
[10:18] <nigelb> And because you use the same email id on the meego bugzilla and your lp account, lp accredited it to you
[10:19] <nigelb> (yes, lp does remote bug watches, but I'm not sure how far, perhaps somone from the lp team will answer that)
[10:19] <ali1234> yeah i am familiar with remote watches, but normally they don't look like this
[10:19]  * nigelb pokes wallyworld_
[10:20] <ali1234> anyway i was just curious :)
[10:20] <wallyworld_> nigelb: hi
[10:20] <nigelb> Oh, great :)
[10:20] <nigelb> wallyworld_: Can clear up ali1234's query (you're the CHR :D )
[10:20] <wallyworld_> nigelb: let me read the previous context :-)
[10:21] <nigelb> I think this has something to do with remote bug tracker importing that we enabled some time back :-)
[10:21] <wallyworld_> nigelb: i just finished dinner :-)
[10:21] <nigelb> wallyworld_: I was afraid it was EOD and was just typing "he probably is at EOD.." when you said Hi ;)
[10:21] <wallyworld_> nigelb: np. i'll see what i can do to help
[10:21] <nigelb> \o/
[10:22]  * nigelb hugs wallyworld_
[10:24] <wallyworld_> nigelb: ali1234: i'm not an launchpad expert (yet) so let me look into it a bit. if i can't resolve it now, i'll pass it on and ensure someone can follow up
[10:24] <wallyworld_> ali1234: you want the remote watch removed? or just an explanation?
[10:24] <ali1234> just an explanation
[10:25] <ali1234> afaik to make a remote watch there needs to be an existing bug in launchpad, but that doesn't seem to be the case here
[10:25] <wgrant> ali1234: Ah, there's a bit of a bug here.
[10:25] <ali1234> so looks like the bug was imported some other way, and that got me interested
[10:25] <wgrant> ali1234: We now import comments from remote bugs.
[10:25] <wgrant> ali1234: And Launchpad assumes that the earliest comment in a bug is the original description.
[10:26] <wallyworld_> ali1234: hmmm. i have a poke around and see what i can find. what's your launchpad nick?
[10:26] <wgrant> ali1234: One of the imported comments predates the Launchpad bug, so Launchpad thinks it's the original description.
[10:27] <ali1234> wgrant: that would make sense, but shouldn't there be a comment somewhere like "bug watch added by ..."
[10:27] <nigelb> wgrant: So, this is like some kind of race case and a bug in lp?
[10:27] <ali1234> ah, full activity log...
[10:27] <wgrant> Is it just me, or have all the sprites vanished?
[10:28] <ali1234> ok thanks everyone, i think i understand what is going on now :)
[10:28] <wallyworld_> wgrant: thanks again for helping :-)
[10:29] <nigelb> wgrant: sprites?
[10:29] <wgrant> nigelb: Icons.
[10:29] <nigelb> I got that bit, but I can figure out which ones are missing.
[10:29] <wgrant> Hm, no, just Chromium being stupid.
[10:30] <nigelb> I see all the icons I should see except the ones I got used to with the greasemonkey plugin
[10:31] <tseliot> bigjools: are you there?
[10:31] <bigjools> tseliot: yep
[11:20] <bdrung> wallyworld_: here's the link: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily.karmic
[11:20] <wallyworld_> bdrung: thanks. we figured it out :-) there was an issue on a build server which should now be fixed
[11:22] <bdrung> wallyworld_: thanks. now even natty works!
[11:22] <wallyworld_> \o/
[11:25] <bdrung> wallyworld_: but karmic still fails: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~audacity-team/+recipe/daily.karmic/+build/9537
[11:27] <wallyworld_> bdrung: ok. that's a different server. may be a problem on that one too :-( wanna try building again? i'll take a closer look at the logs
[11:29] <bdrung> wallyworld_: should i trigger it again?
[11:31] <wallyworld_> bdrung: give it a go - it will hopefully pick a different server to run on. in the meantime i'll see what can be found
[11:36] <wallyworld_> bdrung: confirmed - it appears to be another server with the same config issue. getting a sys admin onto it
[11:40] <wallyworld_> bdrung: sys admin tells me that server is now fixed. hopefully last one, but....
[11:42] <bdrung> wallyworld_: this time it works. so at least radium is fixed. ;)
[11:42] <wallyworld_> bdrung: cool :-)
[11:44] <bdrung> wallyworld_: how do i get rid of the "Failed to build" item at the top of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~videolan/+recipe/master-daily
[11:46] <wallyworld_> bdrung: not sure. i can ask the guy who did a lot of that work when he comes online
[11:47] <bdrung> wallyworld_: thanks
[11:47] <wallyworld_> bdrung: np. he may well just say that it will disappear in time when more builds are done but i'm not sure
[11:47] <bdrung> wallyworld_: last question: where can i subscribe for build failures (recipe and ppa)?
[11:48] <bdrung> wallyworld_: this item has no value in the time column
[11:48] <wallyworld_> bdrung: you should be notified of your own recipe builds, no?
[11:48] <bdrung> wallyworld_: yes, but i am not notified for the team recipe builds
[11:49] <wallyworld_> bdrung: the time column will be the last successfult build, but there's also a "started" time too
[11:49] <wallyworld_> bdrung: ah ok. i would have thought you would be. i'll check that too
[11:50] <wallyworld_> bdrung: i know recipes are still a bit of work in progress so that notification bit may still be being worked on
[11:50] <bdrung> wallyworld_: the strange is that i get notifications for the audacity team, but not for the videolan team
[11:51] <bdrung> therefore i have to manually check if the daily vlc builds were successful
[11:54] <wallyworld_> bdrung: do you have access to the videolan team settings you can look at?
[11:57] <bdrung> wallyworld_: i am administrator in the videolan team
[11:57] <wallyworld_> bdrung: but you are the owner of the audaciity team so maybe there's an issue there.
[11:58] <wallyworld_> bdrung: i will look into it
[11:58] <bdrung> wallyworld_: yes
[12:05] <wallyworld_> bdrung: i'm told that the videolan team has a contact address set, hence notifications will go there, no tto team members
[12:06] <bdrung> wallyworld_: and there is no way for a user to subscribe to the notifications?
[12:08] <wallyworld_> bdrung: don't believe so :-(
[12:08] <wallyworld_> bdrung: but will double check
[12:11] <wallyworld_> bdrung: sorry, it appears there's no way around it
[12:12] <bdrung> wallyworld_: is there a whishlist bug for it?
[12:13] <wallyworld_> bdrung: i wouldn't be surpised if there were but you could create one and see if any dups are shown
[12:14] <bdrung> wallyworld_: against which project should i file the bug?
[12:14] <wallyworld_> bdrung: launchpad-foundations
[12:14] <bigjools> there's already a soyuz bug
[12:14] <bigjools> it's not a foundations bug
[12:15] <bigjools> wallyworld_, bdrung: ^
[12:16] <wallyworld_> bigjools: oh sorry, i assummed that notification infrastructure was foundatrions. oops
[12:16] <bdrung> bigjools: do you have the bug number?
[12:16] <bigjools> wallyworld_: what notification infrastructure? :)
[12:16] <bigjools> not at hand, one sec
[12:17] <bigjools> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/341973 and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/408278
[12:18] <wgrant> It's Soyuz/Code/Registry/Foundations.
[12:20] <bdrung> bigjools: these two bugs are about the opposite - i want the mails, the bug reporter don't want them
[12:20] <bigjools> bdrung: see the latter bug.  It's all connected, I might dupe them.
[12:21] <bigjools> we need a configurable system
[12:21] <bdrung> bigjools: yes, something like the system for bzr branches
[12:23] <maxb> Actually I find the behaviour complained against in bug 341973 to be intensely helpful for checking up on breakage by other people in team PPAs :-)
[12:24] <bigjools> if you do a search for "notification" in the soyuz bugs, there's plenty of opinions :)
[12:41] <geekosopher> I am getting this error when I try to visit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~duanedesign/clicompanion/trunk/files since last 10 mins... 'Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.'
[12:51] <geekosopher> still the same error
[14:15]  * CardinalFang reports Bug #683129.
[16:10] <abentley> jml: I would like there to be a PPA with the latest testtools crack for Maverick.  Do you want to set it up, or should I?
[16:10] <jml> abentley: launchpad.net/~testing-cabal/+archive/archive
[16:10] <jml> abentley: that's builds of trunk
[16:11] <abentley> jml: great, thanks.
[16:11] <abentley> jml: we really need to make PPAs more discoverable.
[16:11] <jml> abentley: heck yes
[16:12] <bigjools> jml: we discussed that once before, didn't we have some ideas?
[16:12] <bigjools> there's a search page but nobody seems to use it
[16:14] <jml> bigjools: we might have, I don't remember.
[16:14] <jml> I want to get project archives sometime very soon, if I can.
[16:14] <bigjools> yes
[16:14] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:14] <jml> and that will help
[16:14] <_Groo_> could anyone take a look at the kubuntu-ninjas ppa? we have a publish upload stuck since yesterday
[16:15] <abentley> jml: I want PPAs listed right under the download tarball.  No, dammit, *above* the download tarball.
[16:16] <bigjools> _Groo_: I can help, what's the build URL?
[16:16] <bigjools> PM me if you want, that's a private archive
[16:17] <jml> abentley: yeah. something like that would be good.
[16:38] <abentley> jml: In the meantime, a link to the PPA in the project description would be helpful.
[16:39] <jml> abentley: yeah. we probably want that even if we have project archives
[16:39] <jml> especially highlighting ppas that we know contain daily builds of trunk or other series branches
[16:41] <abentley> bigjools: I clicked the "all packages" link on the project page, and I didn't find any of the testing-cabal packages.  Which made me assume there was none.
[16:49] <fta> dpm, do you know if it's possible to link to a particular string in lp (for my converter logs html page)
[16:53] <askhl> fta: what do you mean by particular string?  It's possible to link to a "particular string" until the string numbering in the template changes
[16:53] <fta> askhl, in http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html  i want to link the errors to lp
[16:55] <fta> askhl, as i have 3k strings, a direct link to the faulty translations would be nice to have
[16:55] <fta> 3k x 50 langs
[16:57] <dpm> fta, you can have a direct link, but only if you know the string number within the template, e.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+pots/webkit-strings/ca/2/+translate
[16:57] <askhl> fta: to me it looks like a job for direct po-file processing, something that wouldn't be possible in LP until there's a full interface in launchpadlib
[16:57] <fta> hm, i don't
[16:58] <askhl> Although one can of course construct an URL which results in a string search.  But that sort of thing is probably not so great for the servers in the long run
[16:59] <askhl> i.e. the URL https://translations.launchpad.net/jmol/trunk/+pots/jmol/da/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=hydrogen
[17:00] <askhl> But it wouldn't work because the search doesn't support regexes, so you can't make sure to only get the exact string :)
[17:01] <fta> ok, too bad
[17:02] <askhl> fta: which programme are you using to generate those error messages?
[17:02] <askhl> is it the translate toolkit?
[17:03] <fta> askhl, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head
[17:04] <fta> askhl, something like that: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-translations.png
[17:06] <askhl> Ah, interesting
[17:08] <fta> askhl, and i use that to improve the upstream translations of 4 channels: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/
[17:44] <bdmurray> @pilot in
[18:17] <mounir> Is there a way to subscribe to all blueprints under a project, without subscribing to each blueprint?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> hi, i wish to rename this branch https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[18:50] <shadeslayer> the new name is supposed to be kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[18:50] <shadeslayer> how do i proceed?
[18:56] <micahg> shadeslayer: that's a project, not a branch
[18:56] <shadeslayer> micahg: right the project also has a branch, so is it possible to rename the whole thing?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ( the whole project )
[19:01] <maxb> IIUC, only launchpad administrators can rename project ids
[19:02] <maxb> It's a measure to prevent that being gratuitously done, since it will cause major upset for people used to the old name
[19:02] <shadeslayer> hmm.. so do i have to post it on launchpad answers etc?
[19:11] <cjohnston> jamesh: ping
[19:40] <zanoi> i'm trying to import a SVN branch into launchpad but it fails with: bzrlib.errors.NotBranchError: Not a branch: "/trunk/playground/network/videocatcher".
[19:40] <zanoi> any ideas why?
[19:47] <maxb> zanoi: What is the full source URL?
[19:47] <maxb> shadeslayer: Yes, post a question
[19:49] <zanoi> maxb: svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/network/videocatcher
[19:50] <maxb> zanoi: bzr-svn has "special" handling embedded in it for the KDE repository. This handling is quite often wrong.
[19:50] <zanoi> maxb: so how can i get it to work?
[19:51] <maxb> You would have to import it locally, or work to get the issue fixed in bzr-svn and launchpad
[19:51] <jelmer> maxb: Unfortunately it's /always/ wrong without the special handling..
[19:52] <zanoi> maxb: ok, thx :/
[19:57] <yshavit> Hi all, I'm trying to reach staging.launchpad.net and it's been down for a while. Any idea when it'll be back up?
[19:58] <yshavit> And in general, is it the appropriate place to create a test sandbox? My company is considering moving to launchpad, and we want to first make sure we like the VCS
[20:00] <thumper> yshavit: yes staging is the correct place
[20:00] <thumper> yshavit: I believe it is in the middle of a db restore
[20:00] <thumper> yshavit: the staging database gets reset periodically
[20:00] <yshavit> thumper: alright, thanks. So I'll just try again later.
[20:23] <jasonlife> I'm trying to upload a custom kernel to my ppa.. After I ran "debuild -S -sa", I noticed that .dsc and .diff.gz doesn't have the suffix I added in the changelog file.. Is this normal?
[20:35] <maxb> jasonlife: Show us the line with the suffix from your changelog file
[20:40] <joey> leonardr: around?
[20:41] <joey> leonardr: do you know of any way to speed this loop up? http://paste.ubuntu.com/538414/
[20:44] <joey> cody-somerville: ^^ that's the big time killer in lp-scanner
[20:44] <cody-somerville> joey, assign bug_task.bug to a local variable
[20:45] <komsas> hello, I'm searching how to export launchpad translations with suggessions, till now I could'nt find any solution, someone know how to do this? Thanks.
[20:45] <jasonlife> maxb: linux (2.6.32-26.48ppa1) lucid; urgency=low
[20:46] <joey> cody-somerville: I think it's the .searchTasks in the for loop which is the slow down but am not sure
[20:46] <maxb> jasonlife: So, I'd expect a linux_2.6.32-26.48ppa1.dsc from that, what did you actually get?
[20:47] <jasonlife> I got "linux_2.6.32-26.48.dsc"
[20:47] <jasonlife> and after I ran debuild -S -sa, the changes I made in changelog has also gone..
[20:47] <jasonlife> :(
[20:47] <maxb> erm. wtf
[20:48] <jasonlife> actually I did the same thing for normal package, and everything worked as expected..
[20:48] <cody-somerville> joey, do a time before you make my change and then a time afterwards and see if it makes a difference
[20:48] <jasonlife> but, kernel seems different..
[20:51] <joey> cody-somerville: no appreciable change (I called the local variable "boog" :-)
[20:52] <cody-somerville> joey, did you use boog instead of calling bug_task.bug.blah a bunch of times?
[20:52] <joey> cody-somerville: yeah I just made the assignment at the top and used boog everywhere else
[20:52] <jasonlife> I'm wondering there is a special way to upload custom kernel..  Since kernel modules depend on kernel version, I assumed uploading kernel to ppa is different than normal package..
[20:54] <cody-somerville> joey, odd. that trick usually speeds things up for me. maybe launchpadlib is better at caching things now.
[20:54] <yofel> jasonlife: kernel is a bit more complicated, there is a second changelog file you need to update
[20:57] <jasonlife> oh..
[20:57] <jasonlife> yofel: where is the second changelog?
[20:57] <yofel> jasonlife: just looked at it, debian/changelog and debian.master/changelog need to be the same
[20:58] <joey> cody-somerville: I just did this and it helped a little. Let me add your caching trick too:  for bug_task in [m for m in project.searchTasks(order_by='id')]:
[20:58] <yofel> the *right* procedure is probably different, but I only bothered with custom kernel packages once a while ago
[20:58] <yofel> that's how I did it
[20:58] <yofel> and there was something else...
[20:58] <jasonlife> oh.. I see..
[20:59] <jasonlife> yofel: thanks.. I will try again..
[20:59] <yofel> you also need to update the contents debian.master/abi/
[20:59] <yofel> there was a script for that in the package, let me look
[21:01] <jasonlife> yofel: once I change the version, then how can I handle the kernel module like nvidia kernel module?  Do I have to build that too?
[21:02] <yofel> if you use the package it should trigger a dkms build
[21:02] <jasonlife> good.. than I don't need to worry about some special kernel modules then..
[21:04] <yofel> jasonlife: for the abis you need to run debian/scripts/misc/getabis, but I forgot how to actually use that :/
[21:05] <yofel> jasonlife: you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel for the proper procedure too, if they're in the mood to help
[21:05] <jasonlife> :)
[21:06] <jasonlife> ok.. thank you very much..
[21:07] <yofel> ah, remembered it, for natty it would be './debian/scripts/misc/getabis 2.6.37 7.18' and move the abi files to debian.master/abi you'll probably need to use '2.6.32 26.48 ' as arguments
[21:08] <jasonlife> oh.. thanks..
[21:08] <yofel> needs quite a bit of bandwidth :/
[21:08] <jasonlife> Is it?
[21:09] <jasonlife> I've setup a free ppa.. Is it enough?
[21:09] <yofel> for uploading and building the package? yes, I used one of my ppas back then too
[21:10] <maxb> Disabling the abi checking entirely is often more what you want to do for PPA builds
[21:10] <maxb> Depends on the target audience of the PPA
[21:10] <yofel> maxb: how to do that?
[21:10] <maxb> And the magnitude of the changes you are making
[21:10] <maxb> yofel: not sure off hand, but there's definitely a toggle in there somewhere
[21:11] <joey> cody-somerville: well it looks like after doing more timings it's the IF that's slow
[21:12] <joey> cody-somerville: I can change up the for loop in many ways but it really doesn't make much difference
[21:14] <joey> cody-somerville: I've stripped out the if and that loop just cranks
[21:14] <joey> cody-somerville: so that's what I need to optimize
[21:22] <wgrant> joey: It's somewhere between very difficult and impossible to optimise that sort of thing right now.
[21:22] <wgrant> joey: But there's a new API design in progress which will make it possible and simple.
[21:22]  * joey nods.
[21:22] <joey> wgrant: I've made a little progress but it's not great
[21:23] <joey> wgrant: it checks about 2 bugs a second instead of like 200 :-)
[21:24] <wgrant> joey: Right, at the moment you'll be making at least one request for each bug.
[21:25] <joey> wgrant: ah exactly.
[21:25] <joey> wgrant: I split the IF so it's only 1 request at a time
[21:26] <joey> wgrant: 99.9% don't pass the first condition in the IF so I split it out into a nested if
[21:29] <wgrant> joey: Ah.
[21:29] <wgrant> joey: So, in the new API design you'll be able to tell it to retrieve a collection of bugs and some of their attributes, all in one request.
[21:30] <wgrant> Which should make this sort of thing far less slow.
[21:30] <joey> wgrant: oh absolutely!
[22:28] <MTecknology> I forgot... how to you mark that a bug has been filed upstream?
[22:29] <MTecknology> ah.. there we are


[14:50] <lesshaste> hi
[18:44] <zinigor> Hello! Can someone please take a look at a bug I have just submitted and tell me if there is a duplicate with an available workaround somewhere?
[18:44] <zinigor> Here is the link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1236996