[03:07] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[03:07] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:07] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock
[03:07] <robotgeek> waves
[03:08] <LaserJock> hiya Madpilot
[03:46] <Burgundavia> salut robitaille
[03:46] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia
[06:18] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:20] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[06:20] <Burgundavia> how is clive liking Ubuntu?
[06:20] <Madpilot> seems to like it - he just messed around for an hour or so this afternoon
[07:17] <Madpilot> did the wiki team meeting yesterday happen?
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yes
[07:20] <Madpilot> here or -meeting?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> here it seems
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I missed most of it
[07:25] <Madpilot> anyone else subsribed to the WikiTeam page on w.u.c and seen the latest edit? He's got a point...
[07:49] <robotgeek> Madpilot: most weird place to file a "bug"
[07:52] <Madpilot> robotgeek, yeah - but where would I file a bug against our wiki? I'm poking around LP right now...
[07:59] <robotgeek> Madpilot: not sure, really.
[07:59] <Madpilot> hmmmm
[08:00] <robotgeek> lemme also join in poking lp
[08:01] <robotgeek> Madpilot: the wiki team is subscribed to bugs in Ubuntu Documentation Project
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is an interesting point. the only reason i avoided it is becaue i was told to use my LP login on the wiki
[08:02] <robotgeek> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc/+assignedbugs
[08:03] <Madpilot> why do we have both "Ubuntu Documentation Project" and "Ubuntu Documentation Team" teams/accounts in LP?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> I have no idea
[08:04] <Burgundavia> I think it is some crazy attempt to seperate them
[08:05] <Burgundavia> we should merge them
[08:06] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: i think there is some concept of "team" and "product" in lp
[08:06] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: yes, but then we several products
[08:06] <Burgundavia> server guide, desktop guide, etc.
[08:07] <robotgeek> hmm, yes
[08:09] <Burgundavia> hmm, doc.gwos.org hasn't died yet
[08:09] <Burgundavia> shame
[08:10] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/1554/+index
[10:50] <Burgundavia> mdke_: rb is not part of gnome
[11:14] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, doc.gwos.org now seems to be down - been up to something this evening? :P
[11:14] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: nah ;)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> no, it goes down on a regular basis because there is a server that runs on the same box
[11:15] <Madpilot> game server, I think you mean?
[11:15] <Madpilot> daft system to provide docs, but WTF...
[11:17] <Burgundavia> yep
[11:19] <Madpilot> --- gwos.org ping statistics ---
[11:19] <Madpilot> 8 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 7001ms
[11:19] <Madpilot> they take the whole thing down...
[11:32] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: incidentally, the authors of that cyptography book need to figure out how to write more concisely
[11:32] <Madpilot> yeah, but it's still not a bad book - manages to make the math digestible
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ya'
[07:52] <trappist> anybody read my post on the apache2 section of the serverguide?
[07:53] <LaserJock> not really, sorry. Got my own doc stuff to worry about ;-)
[07:53] <trappist> understood
[07:54] <LaserJock> and I've never done anything with apache so I tend to tune it out
[07:54] <trappist> any idea who wrote it?
[07:56] <LaserJock> hmm, nope
[07:57] <trappist> I'm trying not to step on any toes, but I think it's old.  maybe for apache1.x or maybe from another distro.
[07:59] <LaserJock> hmm, when did you send the email? I can't find it
[08:15] <trappist> yesterday I think, lemme check
[08:15] <trappist> no, saturday
[08:18] <trappist> subject was Apache2 in the serverguide
[08:19] <trappist> looking at it again, I can rule out that it was written for apache1.x, but it doesn't match the way we ship apache2
[08:51] <LaserJock> trappist: for some reason I must have deleted that email. I found it on the archives though.
[08:51] <LaserJock> trappist: bhuvan is the server guy I think so I'd ask him
[08:52] <trappist> aight thanks
[08:53] <LaserJock> I would think we want to make sure Apache is right for a server guide ;-)
[08:57] <trappist> yeah :)
[08:57] <trappist> but man it's big and appears to need a lot of work
[08:59] <LaserJock> better get to work then ;-)
[09:22] <mdke> trappist, if I get a few minutes I'll look at it. There is an apache2 wiki page we can draw on if the server guide needs some last minute surgery
[09:24] <trappist> that's good news
[09:31] <mdke> trappist, looks like it's written for apache2 on a cursory glance
[09:32] <mdke> i'll take a closer look at your mail
[09:32] <mdke> the problem may be a linguistic one
[09:33] <trappist> mdke: yeah I said above that it does seem to be for apache2, but maybe for another distro, or maybe the way we ship apache2 has changed too much since it was written
[09:34] <mdke> well you can still use apache2.conf for the server configuration, without touching the virtual host config, I think.
[09:36] <trappist> you could, but it would defeat the purpose if the nifty way we organize the config files, and the guide still doesn't match what users will find in apache2.conf
[09:39] <mdke> yes, I like that too
[09:39] <mdke> i think the wiki page doesn't really use the sites-enabled setup either
[09:39] <trappist> :/
[09:40] <trappist> I think I know what I need to know to fix it, but I dunno whether I'll be able to find the time
[09:40] <trappist> it's big :/
[09:41] <trappist> if you guys can tell my gf how important it is, that'll make it easier to find the time :)
[09:42] <mdke> haha
[09:42] <mdke> i know that feeling
[09:42] <mdke> I'll help
[09:47] <LaserJock> trappist: yeah, my wife isn't really understanding the incredible importance of the DocStringFreeze ;-)
[09:48] <trappist> mine gets the fact that we don't want to hand docs off to translators and then keep editing them, but it doesn't make her like to see me up all night on the computer :)


[01:06] <Viper550> dashua, well, you can help with artwork
[01:07] <SiDi> Don't steal my dashua ! :O
[01:41] <SiDi> Night people
[01:53] <Viper550> heck did some tango-esque bowling pin graphics
[03:25] <Viper550> and http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[03:26] <Viper550> hey
[09:40] <SiDi> hello
[13:28] <SiDi> anyone here working on breathe ?
[13:36] <dashua> Dell Mini 9 shipped FINALLY. w00t.
[13:36] <dashua> They must have been swamped with orders.
[13:38] <SiDi> lol dashua :d
[13:38] <SiDi> enjoy
[13:39] <SiDi> (thats when u're happy to have negociated D+1 support)
[13:39] <dashua> Yeah, it worked.
[13:40] <dashua> I have my NBR USB loaded and ready to go.
[13:40] <dashua> or UNR whatever the abbreviation is.
[13:40] <SiDi> unr :p
[13:40] <SiDi> try xubuntu too ! :D
[13:41] <dashua> I will.
[13:55] <dashua> SiDi: Are you using Breathe from trunk?
[13:55] <dashua> Those navigation icons were fixed.
[13:55] <SiDi> not sure
[13:55] <SiDi> i think im on the repo
[13:55] <SiDi> oh damn
[13:55] <SiDi> i again sent an useless mail
[13:55] <dashua> I'll send you the new .deb
[13:55] <SiDi> alright, cheers :p
[13:57] <dashua> Check your gmail :)
[13:57] <SiDi> Thanks
[13:58] <dashua> Np
[13:59] <SiDi> yummie, folder icons are cleaner
[13:59] <dashua> Yeah
[14:16] <zniavre> i believed first screen shot as new feature
[14:16] <zniavre> it looks "nice"
[14:17] <zniavre> oops sorry
[14:17] <SiDi> hello zniavre ;)
[14:17] <zniavre> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6182/leftrightj.png
[14:17] <zniavre> salut SiDi
[14:17] <zniavre> i was reading your mail
[14:17] <SiDi> heh
[14:17] <SiDi> I personally don't like having a big left arrow everywhere
[14:18] <SiDi> even if in firefox it doesnt look bad
[14:20] <zniavre> a guy made a mockup with nautilus like that
[14:20] <zniavre> i would like to try if it's "usable"
[14:20] <SiDi> mockups often remain at the state of a nice gimp collage unfortunately :)
[14:21] <zniavre> remain > harraps mode ON
[14:22] <zniavre> yes ! taht s true
[14:22] <zniavre> th*
[14:35] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Ubuntu_8.10_Theme_-_Art_Team?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=SampleNautilus.png
[14:35] <zniavre> was quite nice no?
[14:37] <SiDi> yeh :)
[14:37] <Viper550> yep
[14:37] <SiDi> thats the main problem of stuff such as gtk/qt, compared to windows's gui
[14:37] <Viper550> kinda reminds me of firefox
[14:38] <SiDi> since we want modulable things, we can't hardcode such stuff everywhere as they do
[14:38] <SiDi> but we can theme our GUIs :)
[14:39]  * SiDi goes back to his desperate project report..
[14:46] <Viper550> I'm kinda designing a UI for something http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[14:48] <Viper550> hey
[15:22] <Viper550> andreasn, been kinda designing a UI for a project
[15:22] <andreasn> hi Viper550
[15:23] <Viper550> http://bayimg.com/image/fapnkaabl.jpg
[15:23] <andreasn> what is it for?
[15:23] <Viper550> https://launchpad.net/kba
[15:23] <Viper550> tis a mockup
[15:24] <andreasn> is it to be used in those monitoes you see in the bowling lane?
[15:24] <andreasn> monitors
[15:25] <thorwil> Viper550, why do you only use such a small part of the screen?
[15:25] <Viper550> andreasn, yeah. thorwil, this is only one player
[15:26] <thorwil> Viper550, needs more space between the 2 lines in the buttons
[15:26] <andreasn> Viper550, wow, cool challenge
[15:26] <thorwil> Viper550, "TOTAL" should line up with the "75"
[15:27] <Viper550> I just arranged it like this because I get sick and tired of getting my name reduced to 1 or 3 letters.
[15:27] <andreasn> how many players can there be in total?
[15:28] <Viper550> Maybe 6 per lane, but if we scale it correctly it could fit 12
[15:29] <thorwil> Viper550, you could gain  a lot my not sticking boxes into boxes. rely on whitespace for separation and maybe lines if really needed
[15:30] <Viper550> okay, let's see how my rivals do it. qubicaamf... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ir1CmpeK8ag/SDDHhPAU3jI/AAAAAAAAAGs/cHaUJ0w0o3U/s400/BowlingScore.JPG
[15:30] <Viper550> their's has this stupid thing that literally STRETCHES the active bowler name in a very horrid looking look
[15:31] <Viper550> they can scale their rows, I saw screenshot of it with 12 players loaded in.
[15:32] <Viper550> http://www.kwib.de/highscore.gif the newer Brunswick Vector...is
[15:33] <thorwil> cool, looks 20 years old
[15:33] <Viper550> thorwil, http://lh3.ggpht.com/_yPD_ZiWcIDY/SIK5uU_PRMI/AAAAAAAAA7A/3NOtJd4zdtA/Bowling+Score.JPG and this is something I see alot in my town. two alleys in my area has this older AMF AccuScore
[15:34] <Viper550> and vector to me only looks about maybe 3 years :P
[15:35] <Viper550> though despite its dos-ish look, that one does has this cute effect for changing players. the highlighted row kinda drains its highlight, then fills in on the new player
[15:36] <thorwil> Viper550, anyway, i guess that you have to take crappy displays and bad viewing conditions into account. that means you should use minimal graphics
[15:36] <Viper550> But I don't wanna be too minimal
[15:37] <Viper550> let me see if I can pull up this YouTube video I saw with this Amiga-based one I have bowled on before
[15:43] <Viper550> and someone suggested I go for that HP Mi look
[15:54] <andreasn> thorwil, yeah, I think gradients are tricky on crappy displays like CRT TV's
[16:03] <Viper550> so, how should we go about this?
[16:03] <Viper550> note in 5-pin, you throw 3 balls
[16:06] <Viper550> andreasn, they are using LCD more now. Place I went to few weeks ago had HDTV's (though I swear it was probably an upconverted feed)
[16:22] <Viper550> so, got any influence I could use?
[16:26] <Viper550> I am thinking of either using a Tango style or Breathe in the manager UI
[16:41] <andreasn> the manager UI is a totally different UI to use on regular desktop machines?
[16:42] <Viper550> andreasn, yeah,
[16:42] <Viper550> http://www.qubicaamf.com.ro/images/boss_schermate_2big.jpg this is what qubica's looks like, though we may try to stray towards Gnome HIG maybe
[16:43] <andreasn> wow, that looks,um, interesting
[16:43] <Viper550> it runs off Windows...
[16:43] <andreasn> touch screen UI?
[16:44] <Viper550> I think
[16:46] <andreasn> if you can make the buttons bigger at the expense of loosing some of the icons, I think you should do that
[16:47] <andreasn> the icons in that UI don't really convey anything special and forces the text to remain small
[16:47] <SiDi> though, icons are very practical for spotting an element on a crowded screen
[16:47] <SiDi> but its true on this UI they're useless
[16:47] <Viper550> and its a smaller screenshot
[16:47] <andreasn> well, the icons makes the screen crowded in themselves
[16:50] <Viper550> ours, will probably not have "as many" functions as Conqueror
[16:51] <Viper550> it'll probably have lane manager, league squad thing, setup, etc
[17:04] <Viper550> maybe an evolution-like design?
[17:09] <Viper550> as I read through the HIG
[19:46] <thorwil> kwwii, heh, looks what silly map the fedora guys use: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/a/a2/Tours_Fedora11_001_Install_Timezone.png ;)
[20:06] <Viper550> thorwil, http://bayimg.com/image/hapapaabm.jpg
[20:06] <Viper550> improved a bit
[20:07] <thorwil> Viper550, make sure the numbers stand out. they shouldn't get in a fight with the edges
[20:08] <Viper550> I have to fit up to 3 digits in that total column
[20:09] <knome> Viper550, sure, but a bowling counter must be easily readable
[20:10] <Viper550> reduce the brightness of those borders?
[20:11] <knome> maybe add a bit more padding
[20:12] <Viper550> between score cards?
[20:12] <knome> between the numbers and the borders
[20:18] <Viper550> and should that status panel be at the top or bottom?
[20:20] <knome> i'm not sure. bottom looks good
[20:36] <Viper550> thorwil, wondering what kind of bowling I've specifically designed this for? (non-free plugin requiring site ahead)
[20:48] <Viper550> Anyway, I found out from email corrospondence, the old manager that the previous Joystick Scoring system used, was coded with Borland C++


[02:38] <thumper> I wonder why it is that ubuntu always adds a new kernel the day of release...
[02:39] <ajmitch> various bugfixes that are queued up waiting for release day, that won't be on the images that get tested
[02:41] <lifeless> ajmitch: thomi: bzr diff -rbranch:lp:ubuntu/ibus..branch:lp:ubuntu/precise/ibus
[02:42] <ajmitch> lifeless: won't help much, the version of ibus will be the same between quantal & precise
[02:43] <ajmitch> 1.4.0 was superseded in precise back in march, which is why I suggested tags
[02:43] <ajmitch> but I don't know how to compare that :)
[02:45] <lifeless> ajmitch: bzr diff -r1.4.1 from tip
[02:45] <lifeless> (-r looks up tags without any special instructions)
[02:45] <lifeless> or you can do -r tag:1.4.1
[02:45] <ajmitch> ah nice
[02:46] <lifeless> if the tag collides with other things that might be sourced first
[02:46] <ajmitch>  216 files changed, 57731 insertions(+), 37446 deletions(-)
[02:47] <ajmitch> thomi: a bit of text to wade through? :)
[02:48] <thomi> ajmitch: yeah, one of the issues is that they renamed a bunch of files. I think because they store things in git and then import them renames appear as deletions and additions
[02:49]  * thomi guesses
[04:52] <ibeardslee> afternoon fmarier
[05:00] <ibeardslee> Dunedinites: have you tried to convince Cathy from ZaReason to pop down your way?
[05:01] <ibeardslee> Dunedin being the first place outside .au for LCA
[05:01] <ajmitch> nope
[05:05]  * ajmitch wonders if he can qualify as one of a 'known FOSS people' for that ZaTab
[05:05] <chilts> ibeardslee: are you guys meeting up with her, or is she going into Catalyst at any stage?
[05:05] <chilts> ajmitch: I would think so :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> chilts: but I don't have a blog or social media presence! :)
[05:06] <chilts> do you have a GitHub/Gitorious/SourceForge/GoogleCode/BitBucket account?
[05:07] <chilts> any is fine
[05:07] <ajmitch> I've had a sourceforge account for > 10 years now, have a github account
[05:07] <ajmitch> most of my stuff would be on launchpad though :)
[05:07] <chilts> then you're fine :)
[05:07] <chilts> oh yeah, I knew I missed one out
[05:07] <chilts> oopse
[05:07]  * chilts <- bad chilts
[05:08] <ajmitch> and something to do with this 'ubuntu' that I've heard about
[05:09] <lifeless> zatab ?
[05:09] <ajmitch> http://zareason.com/shop/zatab.html
[05:09] <ajmitch> tablet that zareason have put together
[05:09] <chilts> YAY for FRIDAY!
[05:09] <ajmitch> might be nice to put ubuntu on :)
[05:10] <lifeless> bah, its missing thunderbolt
[05:10] <ajmitch> I'm guessing all the prices on the zareason site are USD still
[05:13] <ojwb> the dates seem to be
[05:15] <lifeless> so whats the 'known foss people' thing ?
[05:16] <ajmitch> looks just to be an anti-fraud thing of getting them to people they could reasonably trust, and who wouldn't expect a perfectly working android tablet with all the google goodies
[05:17] <ojwb> https://twitter.com/#!/ZaReasonNZ/status/195358156925308928
[05:17] <chilts> I don't think it means anything, I think it just means that they'd like FOSS people since they'll probably report (and maybe fix) bugs more than others
[05:18] <ojwb> not clear to me if by fraud they mean "ordered with a stolen CC" or "ordered by someone not actually involved in FOSS"
[05:18]  * ajmitch shrugs
[05:18] <ojwb> but I suspect if you're on this channel you probably count
[05:41] <chilts> I don't think life is this hard ... I think you're fine :)
[05:42] <chilts> and with that, have a good weekend one and all :)
[05:42]  * chilts &
[07:01] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: I'd back you up
[07:01] <ibeardslee> chilts: yeah I hope she does pop into Catalyst
[07:02] <ibeardslee> Cathy is supposed to be heading down to Wellington today, don't know if she'll be in touch over the weekend
[07:03]  * ibeardslee is hinting and hinting that she should be around for Catalyst BoC
[07:03] <ibeardslee> anyway .. /me wanders away for the night.
[07:03] <ibeardslee> have a good ones peoples
[07:14] <ojwb> BoC?


 why does qtdeclarative fail?
 Will investigate a bit later.
 @RikMills [why does qtdeclarative fail?], Looks like the Makefile is broken because it was generated during indep build, and qmltypes.prf was not available at that point. I will try limiting the indep build to `src` directory only, that should help.
 I screwed it, but will fix only tomorrow. Anyway it is not much important for the task of rebuilding rdeps.