[00:26] <tekton> hello
[00:27] <tekton> anyone who could help with sound question?
[00:28] <James147> !ask | tekton
[00:28] <tekton> :) right
[00:30] <tekton> i cannot record sounds from my mic (it works ok in other OS) but when i test it even in kubuntu wih fmit it looks alive
[00:30] <tekton> it was working fine till last version of kubuntu
[00:30] <tekton> what could it be?
[00:30] <James147> tekton: is it muted :) ?
[00:30] <tekton> of course not
[00:31] <James147> tekton: just checking
[00:31] <tekton> good for first guess ;)
[00:31] <tekton> i can give you all my sound settings from VIA 8237
[00:41] <tekton> any suggestion?
[00:41] <tekton> any suggestion?
[00:42] <James147> tekton: check system seetings > multimedia but I am not very good with mic problems :(
[00:42] <tekton> ok thanks
[00:43] <tekton> do you know about webcams?
[00:43] <James147> not that much :p
[00:43] <tekton> my trust webcam doesn't work either
[00:43] <tekton> :D ok ok thanks for ur time though
[00:43] <tekton> gn
[00:43] <Folkist> hi
[00:47] <Folkist> can i ggey some help?
[01:00] <Torch> !ask | Folkist
[01:08] <Lord-Sid> hola ... soy nuevo usando kubuntu aunque no en sistemas Gnu y requiero ayuda para configurar mi escritorio
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> !es | Lord-Sid
[01:11] <Lord-Sid> JontheEchidna: helo
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> hi
[01:12] <Lord-Sid> JontheEchidna: I need help for desing my desktop
[01:13] <ridin> just ask the question
[01:14] <Lord-Sid> say my a channel of kubuntu in spanish
[01:14] <ridin> i don't know spanish, sorry
[01:17] <Folkist> same lol
[02:05] <heinkel_111> can someone please help me decipher some dpkg output? --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/466216/
[02:05] <heinkel_111> exactly what does the r and c tell me about the status of these packages?
[02:11] <Folkist> i'm on a mac
[02:11] <Folkist> how can i load the kernel for linux
[02:11] <Folkist> i'm using EFI bootload
[02:12] <Zeddikus> Can't you do it as a dual boot?  I've never tried on my Mac G4 but would think that it would work
[02:12] <Folkist> dual boot?
[02:12] <Folkist> how does tht worj
[02:12] <Folkist> k
[02:12] <Zeddikus> When the Mac boots it has both Mac OS and Linux
[02:13] <Folkist> how do i do tht?
[02:13] <Zeddikus> Not sure on a Mac  could search google for dual booting linux and mac os
[02:15] <Zeddikus> http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_do_i_dual_boot_ubuntu_linux_mac_os_x.html
[02:15] <Zeddikus> I've only done it with Windows
[02:16] <Folkist> idk if i want to dual boot
[02:16] <Folkist> i just need to load the kernel
[02:16] <Folkist> and run it off my usb
[02:21] <Zeddikus> I'm not sure how to do that
[02:22] <Folkist> same
[03:03] <jschall> I have an asus eee 1001p with a 1024x600 screen. I'd like to be able to connect it to projectors that will most likely use 1280x1024, and be able to play a presentation at the projector's resolution, while still being able to see what I'm doing by looking at the computer. Is there a way to clone the output, but stretch it to 1024x600 on the netbook's built-in screen? is there another solution?
[04:47] <muesli> how can i specify a video output for dragon?
[04:47] <muesli> i configured it to work fine in xine, but in dragon i just get a black picture
[05:29] <ussher_> is there a quick key to hold down to make sure i end up in the grub menu at start up?  im not getting a prompt
[05:30] <ussher_> or alternatively to go straight to recovery mode?
[05:32] <ussher_> im stuck, I cant do sudo so need to get into recovery mode to add my current user to the admin, but need to already be admin to change the grub menu so that i can boot into recovery mode.
[05:34] <ussher_> found it, its the shift key.
[05:35] <ridin> i must be a great helper for you
[05:50] <HamEd> kasi nist
[06:53] <hnd2> hi, i have a problem with kmail
[06:53] <iconmefisto> having trouble burning double layer DVDs with K3b. The burn completes without errors, but can't be read. kubuntu sees it as still blank
[06:54] <hnd2> digitally signing of emails fails in kmail, in kubuntu 10.04
[06:55] <Anubis> is there any piece of software that allow to see whats the exchange rates for different currencies
[07:58] <hnd2> \clear
[08:59] <caldera> how are evbody
[09:17] <Fleck> hey - i have ugly looking boot splash screen - text moded
[09:17] <Fleck> 10.04
[09:19] <zden> fleck: how ugly?
[09:19] <Fleck> boot screen is not graphical, text mode
[09:20] <zden> paste me "cat /etc/default/grub"
[09:21] <Fleck> ok
[09:21] <Fleck> i don't have such file
[09:22] <moetunes> which kubuntu version Fleck ?
[09:22] <Fleck> 10.04
[09:23] <Fleck> ohh sorry
[09:23] <Fleck> was looking on wrong konsole ;P
[09:24] <Fleck> http://pastebin.com/YQ3EULFg
[09:25] <zden> it looks good.
[09:25] <moetunes> so prob graphics issue then
[09:25] <Fleck> i have nvidia
[09:26] <Fleck> on both PCs
[09:26] <zden> proprietary driver?
[09:26] <Fleck> yeah
[09:26] <Fleck> in KDE all is working fine
[09:26] <Fleck> all desktop effects etc
[09:27] <moetunes> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html might give a clue
[09:27] <moetunes> there's some framebuffer stuff on it
[09:30] <zden> it is strange because plymounth should run on small resolution. I have nvidia graphics too
[09:31] <zden> have you got plymouth installed?
[09:31] <Fleck> let me check
[09:32] <Fleck> yeah
[09:32] <Fleck> but
[09:32] <Fleck> plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text << i have this one too
[09:32] <Fleck> ?
[09:32] <Fleck> maybe i need to remove this?
[09:33] <moetunes> that'll be a fallback sort of thing afaik
[09:33] <zden> yeah and install plymouth-theme
[09:34] <Fleck> yep, i didn't have plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo :)
[09:35] <Fleck> one more thing - how can i set high res konsole resolution?
[09:37] <Fleck> brb
[09:41] <Fleck> works! :) thank you moetunes, zden ... sadly - i get that boot screen for 1second :D after that - i have login screen allready :P
[09:41] <moetunes> heh :]
[09:41] <moetunes> well done zden :]
[09:42] <jillsmitt> Mamarok: i have an amarok player without gtk and without depends of gtk
[09:42] <zden> np
[09:52] <iconmefisto> Fleck: I had a black screen then splash displaying for just a second before login. there's a fix here that worked for me: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/quick-tipplymouth-themes-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
[09:53] <Fleck> iconmefisto great! :) thank you!
[10:18] <tdn> In Kile, how do I enable more than one dictionary for spellcheck? I am writing a document in two languages: Danish and English. I would like to have Kile use both Danish and English dicts to auto spellcheck.
[11:00] <ghost_> Русские есть?
[11:02] <James147> !ru | ghost_
[11:09] <jstaniek> hi, is qtdemo properly packaged? it expects examples to be in /usr/examples
[11:14] <jstaniek> version 10.04
[11:17] <starslights> hello to everyone, i have a problem with a update, freetype6 was to updated and before the end, it crashed and now, still the "dpkg" process running and i can't stop it . what can i do ? ( ia m on lucid 64 )
[11:18] <James147> starslights: is dpkg actually running or just not unlocked its lock?
[11:19] <starslights> hi James147, is locked, i think, because i see that it0s write " waiting disc"
[11:19] <starslights> and still like that from many times now..
[11:20] <James147> starslights: so the process has frozen?
[11:20] <starslights> yes
[11:21] <starslights> i was able to quit kpackegekit but that's all
[11:21] <James147> starslights: well, you could try killing it... if you think it is not actually doing anything
[11:22] <starslights> i have do but it say that it have failed too as superuser and so that it so a error 6 now
[11:22] <James147> starslights: kpackagekit will only tell something else to tell dpkg to do things :) so that it can be closed before the updates/installs have finished
[11:23] <starslights> yep, that i understand , thanks :P
[11:23] <James147> starslights: "sudo kill -9 dpkg"   should kill it
[11:23] <starslights> ok, i will try , thanks
[11:23] <James147> although i would try without the -9 first :)
[11:25] <James147> starslights: you then may need to delete the lock file... i forget where it is :)
[11:25] <starslights> well "sudo kill dpkg" don't work, whille it wait a pid, i will try with -9
[11:26] <James147> starslights: killall ^^ sorry :(
[11:26] <starslights> sudo killall dpkg
[11:26] <starslights> oups wrong windows
[11:26] <James147> :)
[11:27] <starslights> well, look nothing to happends but no errors :(
[11:28] <James147> starslights: did dpkg die? (most commands dont output anything on sucess)
[11:29] <starslights> no , i have my processus windows open and have under my eayes the dpkg processus, nothing have changed, i will try with -9 now
[11:30] <starslights> damn, it wan't close it :/
[11:31] <James147> starslights: :S
[11:31] <starslights> yep, first time i get a such problem with dpkg :/, thanks for your help
[11:32] <James147> starslights: what the output of "ps aux | grep dpkg"  ?
[11:32] <starslights> oh but look like the look are away, becaus eit seem that i can open synaptic know
[11:32] <starslights> i give you, hang on
[11:33] <James147> starslights: then that would sugggest dpkg stoped :S
[11:33] <starslights> root      4301  0.0  1.6  78920 67036 ?        Ds   11:37   0:00 /usr/bin/dpkg --force-confdef --force-confold --status-fd 44 --unpack --auto-deconfigure /var/cache/apt/archives/libfreetype6-dev_2.3.11-1ubuntu2.1_amd64.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libfreetype6_2.3.11-1ubuntu2.1_amd64.deb
[11:33] <starslights> 1000      6046  0.0  0.0   7640  1020 pts/1    S+   12:32   0:00 grep --color=auto dpkg
[11:33] <James147> but that suggest it hasent :S
[11:33] <starslights> ;)
[11:33] <starslights> ah no, i can't get in synaptic after put my pass...
[11:34] <James147> starslights: that sounds more like it :) ... not sure why killall -9 wouldent work though
[11:36] <James147> starslights: not sure what you can do except reboot :S   killing with -9 is ment to be the last ditch attempt at killing something
[11:37] <James147> starslights: well, except force power cycling your computer :D
[11:40] <starslights> yeah, i see what you mean , sad, well, i will try to do like that, i have not choice :(, need i run a special command to repear you thing or it will as about this update again ?
[11:42] <James147> starslights: the update was intrupted so I am not sure what 'state' your computer will be in when you boot... you should be able to run "sudo aptitude install -f" to attempt to continue the update (you may need to delete the lock file if it complains that dpkg has one)
[11:45] <starslights> Thanks very much James147, very nice from you, i will do :p
[11:45] <James147> starslights: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/what-to-do-when-kill-9-pid-doesnt-work-641497/#5  might be on intrest
[11:50] <starslights> i take the link, always useful :P
[12:09] <MIH1406> I have questions about translations
[12:11] <MIH1406> I have installed Kubuntu with Arabic translations
[12:28] <Nisha_> i have problems with my sound...can anyone help?
[12:32] <MIH1406> I want to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.10
[12:35] <James147> MIH1406: if you jsut want kde 4.5: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45-rc-2  for to actually upgrade to 10.10 you can try running "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[12:36] <MIH1406> Can I install KDE to 4.5 in Kubunut 10.04?
[12:36] <James147> MIH1406: see the first link
[12:36] <MIH1406> Thank you
[12:36] <James147> ^^ or only link :)
[12:45] <MIH1406> What does blocked updates mean in KPackageKit?
[12:46] <Misterio> MIH1406: I think it means that blocked updates won't be installed
[12:47] <MIH1406> I have just added a repo for KDE Beta
[12:47] <MIH1406> Is it related?
[12:47] <James147> MIH1406: I think its because they require something to be removed, or cant install the right version of somehting... most of the time doing "sudo aptitude upgrade && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" will install them,
[12:48] <boubbin> what is the default disk-manager for kde?
[12:48] <James147> MIH1406: upgrading a major kde version tends to block in kpackagekit due to it needed to remove some thing i think... works via aptitude or apt-get though
[12:48] <boubbin> i mean the package name, i need to install it with package manager, cause i accidentally removed it
[12:49] <omkar> hey guys
[12:49] <omkar> i have a speaker
[12:49] <James147> boubbin: disk amanger?
[12:49] <omkar> which is connected to an acer laptop
[12:49] <omkar> I have kubuntu 10.04 but i am not able to hear the voice from the speakers
[12:49] <MIH1406> James147: can I do a downgrade after that?
[12:50] <James147> MIH1406: No
[12:50] <MIH1406> James147: Why?
[12:50] <James147> MIH1406: downgrading is not supported and is not easy to do
[12:50] <MIH1406> James147: What if I remove the new ppa
[12:51] <boubbin> James147 yeah the one where i can choose which disk is mounted to which mountpoint
[12:51] <James147> MIH1406: then you wont get anymore updates, the packages will not be down graded... you can try removing kde (and thus most or all of the UI system) remove the ppa and reinstall them.... but its not that easy to do
[12:51] <MIH1406> what is the KDE version used in the link you gave me?
[12:51] <boubbin> James147 managing mountpoints mainly, i need
[12:51] <MIH1406> It is not 4.5
[12:51] <MIH1406> it is 4.4.29
[12:52] <James147> MIH1406: 4.4.92 is kde 4.5 RC2
[12:52] <MIH1406> Sure?
[12:52] <James147> MIH1406: is wont be kde 4.5 till kde4.5 is released :)
[12:52] <MIH1406> I am just 1 step to install the upgrade
[12:53] <MIH1406> Bye
[12:53] <James147> boubbin: there isent one that can manage mount points i dont think... the closest thing I can think of is the widget "Device notifier"
[12:54] <boubbin> lol
[12:54] <boubbin> so i have to do it manually by editing fwtab?
[12:54] <boubbin> fstab
[12:54] <James147> omkar: make sure all the volume controls are turned up and not muted in kmix (it should be in your systray click it, thenk click "mixers")
[12:55] <James147> boubbin: if you want to set the mount points yes... there is ntfs-config  for ntfs drives but I dont know a gui method for other filesystems
[12:55] <omkar> yes both of them are up
[12:56] <omkar> i wasn't even able to hear the voice output on headphones which I brought
[12:56] <omkar> strange
[12:56] <omkar> I didn't check it on windows
[12:56] <omkar> earlier my both network cards also weren't detected by kubuntu
[12:56] <omkar> i had to compile atheros n then installed the wireless drivers
[12:56] <omkar> for broadcom
[12:57] <boubbin> James147 haha, nice, kde fucked it up again, the whole desktop enviroment hasgone downhill since they moved from 3.5.* to 4.* .. sad...
[12:57] <James147> omkar: what version of kubuntu?
[12:57] <omkar> latest one 10.04
[12:57] <James147> omkar: yeah, broadcom devices hate linux :(
[12:57] <omkar> yes
[12:57] <omkar> i was'nt
[12:57] <omkar> I wasn't even having the c compiler
[12:58] <omkar> installed it from the kubuntu cd which i downloaded over the net
[12:58] <James147> boubbin: why? most people dont need to set mountpoints for removable media and kde handles mounting them just fine
[12:58] <omkar> James: can u help me in fixing this Audio Output issue
[12:58] <boubbin> what if i want my 5 different 500gb parttions to be mounted to ustom mountpoints?
[12:58] <boubbin> i have to go it manually
[12:59] <boubbin> kde3 had gui for that
[12:59] <James147> boubbin: I would have done it during the installer :S
[12:59] <omkar> when i remove the speaker i am able to hear the sound on laptop inbuilt speakers
[12:59] <James147> omkar: sorry, not very good with audio releated problems :(
[12:59] <boubbin> James147 yeah, if the installer can do it, it should be able to do afterwards, do you think its logical?
[13:00] <omkar> it isn' t anything related to the motherboard soundcard issue
[13:00] <omkar> as its giving me the output on the laptop speakers
[13:01] <omkar> but not to the other headphones or external speakers which I want to connect
[13:01] <James147> boubbin: the installer is not part of kde... and requires some knowledge of how to mount drives anyway.. everyone who wants to mount something in a specific place normally know how to edit /etc/fstab  and editing fstab isent that hard :p
[13:02] <boubbin> yeah, but why to remove something like that? :P
[13:02] <boubbin> i dont get it
[13:03] <James147> boubbin: basically there isnt that great a need yet for something like that... although I wouldnt think it would be that hard to create one (boubbin you willing to do that?)  and I wouldnt say they ahve 'removed' it just havent replaced it yet
[13:03] <boubbin> :P
[13:03] <James147> boubbin: allot of the `missing` features in kde 4 are not due to kde dumbing down things... but simply they just havent been built yet
[13:04] <boubbin> yeah, actually im on kde3 trinity, the one with 10.04 and kde3, things a little fucked up here but im really wondering wh other modules are working for kcontrol and others arent
[13:04] <Pici> boubbin: Please mind your language in this channel, thanks :)
[13:04] <boubbin> disk management was working in 9.10 trinity (kde3 remix)
[13:05] <boubbin> Pici ok
[13:05] <starslights> James147:  well, no way to shutdown too, i have needed to cut off the power of my system, between my external disk unavaible too,  But now i have fixed it and all woked again
[13:07] <James147> starslights: :)
[13:08] <starslights> thanks again for your help my friend :)
[13:12] <otswim> hi, how can i use a kubuntu live 'CD' on a USB stick?
[13:13] <James147> otswim: from kubuntu you can install it to the usb using "usb-creator-kde" from windows or other linux distros you can use "unetbootin"
[13:14] <otswim> James147: great thanks, i'm trying from windows now
[13:19] <infotel> hello are you all from plannet earth ?
[13:20] <infotel> blah poopish
[13:20] <infotel> blob
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:32]  * tzzimy_away is away: Gone away for now
[13:32]  * tzzimy is back.
[13:32] <James147> !afk | tzzimy
[13:33] <infotel> sounds complicated
[13:34] <tzzimy> sorry fixing it
[14:45] <vbgunz> anybody here using KDE 4.5 RC2? RC1 had some terrible nvidia regressions that made even testing very uncomfortable. did they address this in RC2?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> vbgunz , I gave up 4.5 , waaay too unstable on my setup.
[14:51] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I hear that. I tried RC1 and felt the same exact way. which is surprising considering so many bugs fixed since 4.4.
[15:13] <johannes___> hi everyone
[15:23] <ExElNeT> heya. somehow, I cant switch devices using the padevchooser. any idea? might be a kde theme problem...
[15:30] <otswim> i'm running a kubuntu live usb stick; and i'm trying to mount an external hdd to backup my files but i don't know how, i've tried almost every /dev/sdXY with X from a to c and Y from nothing to 3
[15:31] <otswim> and the hdd is not detected by dolphin
[15:32] <Torch> otswim: try blkid or fdisk -l from a shell and see if it's listed there
[15:35] <otswim> i don't see it in fdisk and there is no output for blkid
[15:38] <as> hellow
[15:39] <Torch> otswim: then it doesn't exist as far as linux is concerned. either it's not turned on, not connected properly or linux does not support it.
[15:39] <Torch> otswim: with the latter being highly unlikely for a common usb external drive.
[15:41] <otswim> Torch: what i didn't mention is that the hdd doesn't work great on windows too as i have to plug/unplug it 10 times for it to work
[15:41] <Torch> otswim: then i guess you have your answer already.
[15:43] <otswim> is there a way to fix it?
[15:43] <Torch> otswim: it's probably some hardware-related issue.
[15:51] <James147> otswim: if you can I would try a different cable or usb port... but if it is the harddrive I would consider not relying on it for backups
[15:52] <otswim> James147: someone told me to try formatting
[15:52] <Torch> otswim: that won't help
[15:53] <James147> otswim: if its having trouble being detected its not a formatting issue... its falty hardware and thus not reliable
[15:53] <otswim> why not? if i plug it, i see messages in 'dmesg' and if i plug it on windows, when it fails, it still tell me an error message "usb problem" or something; so maybe it's not the cable
[15:54] <otswim> yes i said it incorrectly: it's being detected, but not mounted
[15:54] <Torch> otswim: formatting has nothing to do with usb problems, though.
[15:54] <Torch> otswim: it's hardware. either the usb port, the connecting cable or the usb chip on the drive's circuit board.
[15:54] <otswim> maybe that's a generic windows error message while the main problem is on the mounting?
[15:54] <Torch> (the enclosure, that is)
[15:54] <otswim> hm
[15:54] <otswim> ok
[15:55] <Torch> otswim: neither fdisk -l nor blkid rely on formatting.
[15:55] <otswim> ok i see
[15:55] <Torch> otswim: both don't show the drive.
[15:56] <otswim> i have another problem: i've booted with a kubuntu live usb stick to repair my computer (mandriva); should i run 'fsck /media/disk' if the internal hard drive is mounted there?
[15:56] <James147> otswim: fairly sure you dont run fsck on a mounted drive...
[15:57] <Torch> otswim: it's e2fsck and as james said the partition must not be mounted to run it.
[15:57] <otswim> James147: right, so i should 'umount' it and then i run it on /dev/sda2 (for instance)?
[15:57] <Torch> otswim: you need the device node. blkid will tell you. or mount, while it's mounted.
[15:58] <otswim> /dev/sda2 was in front of /media/disk on the output of 'df' so i guess it's this one?
[15:58] <Torch> otswim: yes
[16:00] <otswim> Inode 18088, i_blocks is 32, should be 8. Fix<y>?
[16:00] <otswim> i guess that's a good sign
[16:00] <Torch> otswim: it's a sign that e2fsck does its job.
[16:01] <otswim> does it take long to run?
[16:01] <Torch> otswim: depends on the size of the file system
[16:01] <Torch> otswim: it can take a couple of minutes
[16:01] <James147> otswim: and the type ^^ ext4 is alot faster
[16:01] <otswim> there a lot of i_blocks errors like this one :(
[16:02] <Torch> otswim: you might want to stop it (ctrl+c) and re-run it with the "-y" switch then so you don't have to type y for each question
[16:02] <sinthetek> can i use dd to put an iso image on the usb drive directly?
[16:02] <sinthetek> ie dd if=kubunt-netbook.iso of=/dev/sdf
[16:04] <sinthetek> or is there a link to an alternate method of installing via cli? having trouble googling a method since most i've found seem to refer to a .img
[16:10] <James147> sinthetek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent << if you can I had most luck when using usb-creator-kde (gui baised)
[16:10] <Torch> i had to use the GTK version as the kde base one did not work at all for me :-(
[16:11] <James147> Torch: had that problem in previous versions but not 10.04 :S
[16:11] <Torch> James147: yeah, that was on 9.10
[16:14] <sinthetek> weak... i don't have time for that atm. maybe i can install it for her later
[16:14] <sinthetek> thanks anyway
[16:24] <cobra-the-joker> i am really confused ...which is better kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[16:25] <James147> !best | cobra-the-joker
[16:26] <James147> cobra-the-joker: they are essentially the same system... execpt ubuntu comes with the gnome desktop enviroment and kubuntu comes with the kde one... witch is better is which you like better :)
[16:26] <cobra-the-joker> they are supported equally ?
[16:27] <James147> cobra-the-joker: note that you can install kde on ubuntu and gnome on kubuntu by installing either of ubuntu-dekstop or kubuntu-desktop
[16:27] <cobra-the-joker> aha
[16:27] <James147> cobra-the-joker: the core system is identical so equally supported :) couldent really comment on the desktop interface though
[16:28] <James147> cobra-the-joker: if you are unsire I highly suggest trying them both out (give them both a fair amount of time) and make up your mind which one you want to keep later :)
[16:29] <cobra-the-joker> thats a tough one
[16:29] <cobra-the-joker> how much this amount of time ?
[16:29] <James147> cobra-the-joker: why so?
[16:30] <James147> cobra-the-joker: depends :) I personally would give both of them a couple days each... its hard to tell how good a system is if you dont spend that much time on it.... but its up to you spend as much time as you like you are free to switch between them as often as you like for as long as you like
[16:31] <cobra-the-joker> aha
[16:31] <cobra-the-joker> James147 , thanx for the advice
[17:27] <thejackal221_> Hello
[17:27] <thejackal221_> what would be the best vertualization software?
[17:27] <Pici> !best
[18:00] <SanTah> 	Hell can some one tell me what xorg.conf needs my pc from shuttle xpcsg31g2b and monitor x233h from acer for best video output
[18:01] <SanTah> i ask this because i had a crt and the safe mode and now i have the x233h
[18:56] <glaucous> Is there a way to set a keyboard shortcut so that you can move a window to another desktop?
[18:58] <James147> glaucous: if there is it will most likly be in system settings > keyboard & mouse > global keyboard shortbuts > "KDE compoent": "Kwin"
[18:59] <glaucous> James147, yeah was looking there, doesn't seem like it
[18:59] <James147> glaucous: found "Window to Desktop #"
[18:59] <glaucous> James147, how did I miss that. Thanks a lot!
[19:00] <James147> glaucous: and "Window one desktop (down|left|right|up)
[19:00] <glaucous> James147, "Window to Next/Prev Desktop" is exactly what I wanted
[19:53] <cypherb0t> hi anyone there?
[19:53] <cypherb0t> never used irc before sorry for being dumb.
[19:53] <cypherb0t> I suspect I've just gotten my first linux virus.
[19:54] <cypherb0t> anyone able to advise?
[19:54] <cypherb0t> evidence is a process called nullmailer trying hard to send out messages
[19:54] <cypherb0t> like thousands of attempts
[19:55] <ridin> then kill the process
[19:55] <daniel90> cypherb0t: hmm, a linux virus? not anything near common. how do you know it tries to send messages (you mean emails?)
[19:55] <cypherb0t> I've stopped it but I'd like to figure out what called it.
[19:56] <cypherb0t> any idea
[19:56] <cypherb0t> yes emails
[19:56] <cypherb0t> 2010-07-20 19:47:56	john-desktop	nullmailer[1357]	Starting delivery: protocol: smtp host: smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk file:<PHONE_NUMBER>.24567
[19:56] <cypherb0t> 2010-07-20 19:47:56	john-desktop	nullmailer[4078]	smtp: Failed: 530 authentication required - for help go to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/pop-11.html
[19:56] <cypherb0t> 2010-07-20 19:47:56	john-desktop	nullmailer[1357]	Sending failed:  Permanent error in sending the message
[19:56] <cypherb0t> 2010-07-20 19:47:56	john-desktop	nullmailer[1357]	Starting delivery: protocol: smtp host: smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk file:<PHONE_NUMBER>.7896
[19:56] <FloodBotK3> cypherb0t: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:56] <cypherb0t> eg from my syslog
[19:56] <cypherb0t> but thousands
[19:56] <cypherb0t> er sorry
[19:56] <moetunes> more likely a rootkit then a virus
[20:01] <ridin> clamav or avast! could help
[20:06] <cypherb0t> can anyone recommend some antivirus software that looks for linux infections?
[20:07] <cypherb0t> I thought they all look for windows viruses?
[20:08] <moetunes> !info chkrootkit
[20:17] <cypherb0t> thanks trying chkrootkit
[20:30] <noaXess> weher can i insert a special command, eg. to disable touchpad on boot? /etc/rc.local doesnt work
[21:01] <yigal> how do I turn off my web cam in Kopete - I'm greatful it works but I'm using a laptop and the web cam drains the battery quickly?
[21:04] <yigal> any who may help me in the future I'm using Kubuntu 10.4
[21:08] <yigal> how do I turn off my web cam in Kopete - I'm greatful it works but I'm using a laptop and the web cam drains the battery quickly?
[21:22] <AnxiousNut> Does Kubutnu 10.04 also uses plymouth?
[21:38] <Torch> AnxiousNut: yes
[21:39] <AnxiousNut> Torch, k thanks! .. it wasnt that hard, now was it?! anyways i appreciate it! Thanks bub!!
[22:42] <asus> hey?
[22:46] <Alumin> so, I've got a notification area icon for the update notifier, that constantly notifies me of the pending Lucid dist-upgrade
[22:47] <Alumin> I can click on it and go to "quit", but then am I quitting the whole notifier?  I just want it to not bug me about the Lucid update
[22:48] <Alumin> in the current state, I can't tell if there are pending updates within Karmic because the icon is always there
[22:56] <ionut> why the web doesn't start with kopete , profile yahoo ?
[23:11] <rootlogan> test
[23:11] <rootlogan> salve a tutti


[04:36] <pitti_> good morning
[05:09] <TheMuso> Morning pitti_.
[06:17] <robert_ancell> Empty inbox \o/   So if everyone can play along, not respond to my email, not file bugs, generally be inactive until new years that would be awesome
[06:23] <pitti_> hey robert_ancell
[06:23] <pitti_> robert_ancell: congrats!
[06:23] <robert_ancell> pitti_, hey, internet all back again?
[06:23] <pitti_> robert_ancell: you won't get any mail from me, as long as my server is still broken :(
[06:24] <robert_ancell> nice for me :)
[06:24] <pitti_> robert_ancell: my interweb tube has never been the problem -- my colo provider has some technical problems, and thus my vserver has been down since Monday
[06:24] <robert_ancell> ech, thinking of changing providers now?
[06:24] <pitti_> so, no email and IRC proxy
[06:24] <pitti_> robert_ancell: well, I have nothing against a HDD breaking down and re-syncing a RAID, but this should only take a coupel of hours
[06:25] <pitti_> but now it's more than two days, they could at least let me know what's going on
[06:25] <robert_ancell> yeah, sounds like an excuse
[06:25] <pitti_> I'll call them again in 2 hours when they open
[06:27] <robert_ancell> pitti_, how much PAM do you know?
[06:27] <pitti_> I know that it exists
[06:27] <pitti_> what it does
[06:27] <pitti_> where to find the libraries
[06:27] <pitti_> and how to spell it
[06:27]  * pitti_ desperately tries to find somethign else
[06:27] <robert_ancell> well, that puts you ahead of most people :)
[06:28] <robert_ancell> I've got a proposal document for enhancements to PAM to make the greeter handle prompts better.  I was wondering if you'd be interested in reviewing it
[06:28] <robert_ancell> cjwatson, ^ would that be something you'd be interested in too?
[06:29] <micahg> robert_ancell: slangasek is probably the person you want
[06:29] <robert_ancell> micahg, yeah, he's the one I'm sending it too but I hoped there was more than one person in the company
[06:29] <pitti_> bbiab
[06:30] <micahg> robert_ancell: mdeslaur might be able to review as well
[06:36] <didrocks> good morning
[07:06] <pitti_> hey didrocks
[07:07] <didrocks> good morning pitti_without_server :)
[07:07] <didrocks> how are you?
[07:08] <pitti_> didrocks: quite well, thanks! how about yourself and your neck?
[07:10] <didrocks> pitti_: I'm fine, thanks! However, I have the impression that the rock yesterday made the neck a little bit straight again and I feel some pain. I just want to be up for tomorrow's "fête des lumières" in Lyon (big event in the city, 3 millions people) and then, definitively rest during my holidays starting this week-end :)
[07:10] <didrocks> http://www.fetedeslumieres.lyon.fr/
[07:10] <pitti_> didrocks: is that like "party of light"?
[07:10] <pitti_> (translated)
[07:12] <didrocks> pitti_: right, most of buildings of the city have light and music shows
[07:13] <didrocks> this has some historical background: the plague was surrounding Lyon during the middle age. Lyon's citizen prayed Marie to save them and Lyon wasn't touched by it
[07:14] <didrocks> so people then light some candles every years for the 8th of december
[07:14] <didrocks> and for 11 years now, it's a full city show with light scenes
[07:16] <pitti_> ah, so it is "light"
[07:16] <pitti_> sounds nice!
[07:16] <didrocks> it really is :)
[07:17] <didrocks> even when I was in Paris, I just travelled to Lyon for the week-end for it
[09:09] <seb128> hey
[09:25] <pitti_> hey seb128
[09:25] <seb128> hey pitti_, how are you?
[09:25] <pitti_> quite fine, thanks!
[09:26] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[09:26] <seb128> lut didrocks!
[09:27] <seb128> pitti_, so doko pinged yesterday, the glib single include enforcement is an issue, he estimated it would break at least an hundred source builds
[09:28] <pitti_> urgh
[09:28] <seb128> pitti_, he ran into quite some cases with the armfh rebuilt
[09:28] <seb128> pitti_, so I did upload a version with that revert before going to bed
[09:28] <pitti_> seb128: ah, cheers
[09:28] <seb128> I hope I didn't break anything, I didn't have time for testing
[09:29] <seb128> it was almost midnight, and since the commit impacts only on includes I figured the chances of runtime issue would be low ;-)
[09:29] <pitti_> it built everywhere, nothing blew up yet
[09:29] <pitti_> well, CDs did blow up, but not because of this
[09:30] <seb128> ok, good
[09:46] <pitti_> wohoo! my server is back!
[09:48] <didrocks> pitti_: \o/
[09:48]  * pitti_ watches postfix grind
[09:49] <pitti> look, no underscore!
[09:50] <ogra_> *clap*  *clap* *clap*
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, you lost your tail!
[09:50] <pitti> *cough*
[09:50] <ogra_> no tie today
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, happy bug reading day :p
[09:50] <seb128> ups
[09:50] <seb128> emails reading
[09:50] <seb128> rather ;-)
[09:51] <didrocks> heh, yeah, I think pitti wanted to prepare a little bit from his holiday's return, just having to look at 2 days of emails :)
[09:55] <pitti> it'll take some time for mails to come in after 2 days of downtime, though
[09:56] <pitti> I guess by now the retry interval for most servers is 6 hours or so
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, pitti, didrocks
[10:02] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson! How are you?
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks
[10:02] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> i set up my first blog last night so i can now spam planet ubuntu :-)
[10:03] <didrocks> nooooooooooooooooooo ;)
[10:03] <bryceh> chrisccoulson, congrats :-)
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh btw, http://lh6.ggpht.com/-hti1sIu2XG4/RvHSmQ0zGBI/AAAAAAAAEws/ROWfIvK_YJM/sany2123.jpeg
[10:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[10:12] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that the birmingham "beach" I was talking about from GUADEC
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128, lol. that's awesome!
[10:13] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/144717803621068800 ;)
[10:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you never saw it? are you sure you live in birmingham? ;-)
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i never saw it. i travel to the city center once per year though (for the christmas market)
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> i steer clear at other times because i hate it :)
[10:13] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, it's your twitter which made me think about that :p
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:14] <seb128> lol
[10:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, your mail unbroke and all the mails of the last days were arriving at me, including about the Cloudprint integration which you have postponed to Q. Should I rename itr (to contain "q") and remove the milestone?
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, there's even a bit of blue sky in your picture. it must have been photoshopped!
[10:14] <pitti> tkamppeter: sure
[10:15] <pitti> tkamppeter: well, renaming isn't that important
[10:15] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: hey man, how many branches from the varoius projects have gone through the AC process? I am writing a recap
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you're not on twitter?
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> seems that someone stole your name anyway - https://twitter.com/#!/Seb128 ;)
[10:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no I'm not, I just googled your name to find you blog and found your twitter page ;-)
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> hah
[10:16] <tkamppeter> pitti, done. I will leave in the [rodrigo-moya], so that later on some automated MySQL script can replace that by the user name of rodrigo's successor.
[10:16] <chrisccoulson> there's nothing on my blog yet ;)
[10:16] <jasoncwarner_> seb....WTF? http://lh6.ggpht.com/-hti1sIu2XG4/RvHSmQ0zGBI/AAAAAAAAEws/ROWfIvK_YJM/sany2123.jpeg ?
[10:17] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: do you need an estimation or a precise number?
[10:17] <pitti> tkamppeter: well, that automated script will be called "pitti" most probably :)
[10:17] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: estimation will probably do.
[10:18] <tkamppeter> pitti, but better when you can search for [rodrigo-moya] that have to guess on the work items that this is a thing for  the GNOME guru and not for the original poster of the Blueprint.
[10:20] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: so, we have right now 456 binary packages build, with an average number of 5 binary packages per source package, so by merge, it gives us around 90 merges
[10:20] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: I'm just gonna use 90 ....thanks!
[10:20] <tkamppeter> pitti, and if you fix this manually, the new GNOME guru will get tons of mail notifications, telling him that his job will never get boring :-)
[10:20] <didrocks> yw :)
[10:46] <pitti> ok, apport retracers fixed, sorry about that
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, how do you feel about having the nautilus merge with binary rename landing today?
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, it shouldn't be hard since there is no code change so it's only no change rebuilds for rdepends
[11:35] <pitti> seb128: would it be ok to upload in two hours?
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: I'd like to wait for next publisher to rebuild today's images
[11:36] <seb128> pitti, I didn't start on the merge yet, so yeah, not before 2 or 3 hours (lunch in between)
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: oh, it'd be binNEW, right? fine then
[11:36] <pitti> seb128: what changes?
[11:37] <seb128> pitti, you mean? just the libnautilus... has been renamed in debian because gtk2->gtk3 is an abi break but upstream didn't change the soname
[11:37] <pitti> seb128: oh, libnautilus; right, I remember
[11:37] <pitti> I thought "nautilus" was renamed
[11:37] <seb128> pitti, I say at least 2 hours because we didn't merge nautilus for a while an it's one of those source that has quite some diff to review
[11:38] <seb128> pitti, no sorry, it's just the lib, anyway I will start on it, as you said it will binNEW on upload in any case
[11:38] <seb128> pitti, so you can control when you want it to get in ;-)
[11:38] <pitti> seb128: that's totally fine
[11:38] <seb128> great
[11:38] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:38] <pitti> I'll start image builds in about 45 mins
[11:38] <pitti> just to recover from the common-dictionaries debacle
[11:38] <pitti> and also to get an image without the EINVAL bug
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> am i meant to provide a menu file in /usr/share/menu for my packages? someone just asked for one in thunderbird (bug 901633)
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 901633 in thunderbird "no menu file in distribution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/901633
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> are they actually used anywhere?
[11:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, menu is really really old
[11:43] <pitti> .desktop is the (not so) new way
[11:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we have never supported menu in ubuntu
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti, ok, thanks. i'll wontfix that request then, and drop the menu file from firefox too
[11:43] <pitti> they are still ok for Debian
[11:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the firefox menu file is cruft left over from debian
[11:43] <pitti> but any desktop which can't read desktop files these days is pretty much screwed
[11:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, the JBIG patents will end in April 2012 and due to this I want to have a SpliX driver with full support for all printers in Precise. Now my question is whether I should introduce JBIGKit as a new package or embed the JBIGKit code in SpliX.
[11:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, the JBIGKit code is http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/jbigkit-2.0.tar.gz
[11:49] <tkamppeter> pitti, the patent ends at April 4, right before release of Precise.
[11:50] <pitti> tkamppeter: hm, this could also be SRUed theN?
[11:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: is it likely that jbigkit will be needed by other packages? it certainly sounds like it
[11:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: I guess at some point Debian will package it then as well, so it feels it should be a separate package
[11:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: is that a library, or just a tool to convert images?
[11:54] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is a library. I could package it and upload it to Precise. AFAIK only user currently is SpliX, but once available other packages could appear to use it.
[11:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: but it's still covered by patents for now?
[11:58] <tkamppeter> pitti, it is, so you think better not upload it in to the (not officially released) Precise?
[11:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm not sure how to handle these patents; are they actively being enforced?
[11:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: if nobody cares (any more), we can upload it
[11:59] <pitti> tkamppeter: the main criterion that we have is "is there precedence for enforcing the patent"
[12:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, I do not really know. The foo2zjs package also supports many of these printers. It seems to contains its own JBIG code and it is in all distros for years.
[12:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, I can also embed the code in the SpliX package for Precise and upload this package on April 5 and the real JBIGKit package we do in Q.
[12:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: that doesn't make any difference wrt. the patent
[12:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: but if we already ship it in foo2zjs, it's indeed better to just package it separately
[12:05] <tkamppeter> pitti, so I will package the lib and add it to Precise.
[12:06] <pitti> tkamppeter: sounds good
[12:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, the upstream package produces two static libraries, no dynamic ones, but anyway, having a package to build-depend on is easier than having to include the source code in every package.
[12:12] <pitti> tkamppeter: that's right; but presumably not very palatable to MIR team
[12:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, looks like that there will be a libjbigkit-dev with the static libs and libjbigkit-utils with the command line converters.
[12:14] <tkamppeter> pitti, another problem is that upstream did not modify anything after 2008.
[12:18] <tkamppeter> pitti, as other printer drivers have their own jbig code and SpliX only uses the lightweight library libjbig85 compiled from only 2 .c files I could add these 2 .c files to SpliX if the package is not suitable for Main (unmaintained, no shared lib).
[12:18] <pitti> tkamppeter: *nod*
[12:18] <pitti> I didn't expect it to look that bad
[12:18] <pitti> well, maybe it'll take up some interest now that the patent will be gone soon
[12:20] <tkamppeter> pitti, perhaps I will go the include-2-.c-files-in-SpliX variant in Precise and the full library package when Debian picks it up (most probably after Precise). WDYT?
[12:21] <pitti> tkamppeter: that sounds best then indeed
[12:24] <tkamppeter> pitti, OK, then I will do a new SpliX package after lunch.
[13:08] <Sweetshark> pitti, other teutons: http://www.thisiswhyyouregerman.com/
[13:30] <pitti> Sweetshark: heh, nice ad idea indeed!
[13:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is that only me that find that the tb inbox icon doesn't fit at all with our theme?
[13:41] <seb128> well the other special folders as well, draft, sent etc
[14:25] <didrocks> need to go out for some errand, brb
[14:58] <seb128> pitti, ok, I uploaded nautilus and just figured I could make the transition easier
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, libnautilus-extension1 is renamed libnautilus-extension1a, so the second one conflicts,replace the first one (to ensure rdepends are upgraded in the same upgrade)
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, but our libnautilus-extension1 is already the new one
[14:59] <seb128> i.e it's already the gtk3 version, same abi
[14:59] <seb128> pitti, do you want me to do another upload without the "conflicts", i.e just with the replace?
[15:00] <seb128> that would avoid making all the rdepends uninstallable until they are rebuilt
[15:01] <pitti> seb128: sounds fine
[15:01] <pitti> seb128: but at some point we need it to clean up the old package, I figure?
[15:01] <seb128> pitti, well, do you want another upload for that? or do you just want to no-change-rebuild the 5-6 rdepends?
[15:02] <gnomefreak> any chance you are working on a way to set a screensaver and/or a way to set icons and enable more than 6 themes?
[15:02] <seb128> pitti, I'm fine either way
[15:02] <seb128> gnomefreak, no no and no
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: hm, I figure we need a versioned breaks/replaces:, otherwise we'll break upgrades again
[15:03] <gnomefreak> seb128: k thanks
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: they might rather want to hold back the old lib than upgrading to it
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: that has led to some trouble in the past
[15:03] <pitti> seb128: so I guess versioned B/R and transitional package for precise, and a C/R to clean up for precise+1?
[15:04] <seb128> pitti, hum?
[15:04] <seb128> pitti, it's a soname change, since when do we need transitional packages with the old soname?
[15:04] <pitti> seb128: regular soname changes can be installed in parallel
[15:04] <seb128> well basically it's a soname change, just a distro one because upstream broke the abi without bumping the soname
[15:04] <pitti> this is not the case here
[15:05] <pitti> if you add an unversioned conflicts:/replaces:, I've often seen apt want to hold it back
[15:05] <seb128> pitti, well it's a scoring issue, we will have at least 6 rdepends on the new soname that should score enough
[15:05] <pitti> seb128: well, we can try
[15:05] <seb128> it's often an issue when there is like 1 rdepends
[15:05] <seb128> the score is less obvious then
[15:05] <pitti> seb128: I just painfully remember the 5-or-so tries we had to do with the at-spi2 stuff in the last cycle
[15:05] <pitti> and eventually we just dropped the breaks
[15:06] <pitti> versioned breaks tend to behave better, if you have a transitional package
[15:06] <seb128> well there is not a breaks, it's a non versioned conflicts
[15:06] <pitti> but anyway, happy to try
[15:06] <seb128> we could use c,r,p
[15:06] <seb128> that usually helps
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: unversioned conflicts behaves even worse, tohugh
[15:06] <pitti> p: helps, yes
[15:07] <pitti> (hopefully)
[15:07] <seb128> ok, so those concerns are noted but I would like to try first without the transitional dummy binary
[15:07] <seb128> just to see if the scoring is good enough that we don't need it
[15:07] <seb128> pitti, that doesn't reply to my original question though ;-)
[15:09] <seb128> do you think we should drop the conflicts until we have all rdepends rebuilt (to avoid creating installability issues) or just do rebuilds for the rdepends and be done with it?
[15:09] <pitti> seb128: if you can upload them all today, that's fine
[15:09] <pitti> i. e. without dropping the conflicts
[15:09] <pitti> but C -> B would still be better
[15:09] <pitti> unversioned conflicts is really the hate
[15:10] <seb128> let me drop the Conflicts for today, that will be less issue
[15:10] <seb128> we have like 6 rdepends on the CD but they will be uploaded soon enough, no need to force uploads today
[15:11] <seb128> then I will add back a Breaks later on
[15:11] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[15:20] <seb128> pitti, well with some thinking I wonder if we need to Conflicts at all, it's only useful for partial upgrades from lucid...
[15:20] <seb128> pitti, i.e if you don't partial upgrades, all oneiric rdepends have been rebuilt with gtk3 anyway
[15:23] <pitti> need to leave for today, time for some badminton and I'm pretty much worn out for today anyway after all the firefighting :)
[15:23] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:24] <seb128> 'night pitti
[15:26] <didrocks> good night pitti
[15:41] <jbicha> seb128: caribou won't be able to be synced because we have to conflict against the oneiric packaging
[15:41] <seb128> why? didn't you take our package from Debian svn?
[15:41] <seb128> can we add the conflicts in Debian? it shouldn't create issue for them and if we can sync them it's a win win situation?
[15:42] <jbicha> yes, that would probably work
[16:16] <seb128> didrocks, hey, do you have time to look at nautilus in binNEW? it's basically the lib which got renamed in debian to show that the gtk2->gtk3 change is an abi break
[16:16] <didrocks> seb128: sure, looking in a few
[16:16] <seb128> didrocks, the lib should go to main as well ;-)
[16:16] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[16:17] <didrocks> seb128: sure :)
[16:39] <mterry> The latest vala upload seems to break vala compilations.  looking into it
[16:45] <mterry> pitti, your vala patch seems wrong.  gstdio.h and glib-i18n.h are valid (and necessary) includes, even in the new single-include world.  The fact that valac is pulling in other includes like (gerror.h) into the C code is the problem.
[17:06] <hyperair> seb128, pitti: regarding bug #878933, can gtk+ be sru'd?
[17:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878933 in gtk+2.0 "Crash when attempting to open a second file from the recent file list" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878933
[17:06] <seb128> you can try
[17:06] <hyperair> i'll look into it
[17:07] <seb128> the diff is not trivial between versions, not sure what the sru team will say
[17:07] <seb128> we can probably send it to proposed for a few weeks and see how it goes
[17:07] <hyperair> alright
[17:07] <seb128> thanks for looking to it!
[17:08] <hyperair> np
[17:08] <hyperair> pitti: is the new libpoppler entering debian soon?
[17:14] <seb128> hyperair, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644447
[17:14] <ubot2> Debian bug 644447 in poppler "Please update poppler to new released 0.18" [Wishlist,Open]
[17:15] <seb128> hyperair, not sure in short, I pinged the Debian maintainer before updating in Ubuntu, he said he wouldn't update until there are patches for the stuff that will not build with the update, now we fixed those, sent the patch to debian and the debdiff for the update so there should be nothing blocking him to update
[17:15] <hyperair> i see.
[17:16] <hyperair> seb128: who should i talk to on the debian side of things?
[17:17] <seb128> hyperair, the current debian maintainer is "Pino Toscano"
[17:17] <hyperair> alright.
[17:17] <seb128> hyperair, he's pinotree on oftc
[17:17] <hyperair> ah okay
[17:18] <kenvandine> xclaesse, empathy 3.3.2 requires goa 3.3.0 which isn't released, do you have any guess when that might get released?
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, I hope for you that's not going to try to pull in the new version of control center at some point
[17:19] <kenvandine> seb128, i really hope a new goa doesn't need a new control center
[17:19] <kenvandine> seb128, empathy needs it for the goa mission-control plugin
[17:19] <seb128> kenvandine, seems a tricky path, I will let you walk it ;-)
[17:19] <seb128> yeah, I understand that
[17:19] <kenvandine> goa 3.3.0 adds facebook and msn live
[17:19] <xclaesse> kenvandine, ask davidz
[17:19] <kenvandine> xclaesse, ok, will do
[17:20]  * xclaesse wonders why we need that new version
[17:22] <xclaesse> hm, it has always be 3.3.0 actually
[17:23] <xclaesse> kenvandine, why did empathy 3.3.1 build then?
[17:23] <xclaesse> it should have failed from the beginning
[17:24] <xclaesse> kenvandine, maybe empathy's configure is just wrong and should require goa 3.2
[17:24] <kenvandine> xclaesse, nope... didn't seem to require that
[17:24] <kenvandine> xclaesse, no, i think it is for facebook and msn support
[17:24] <kenvandine> added since 3.2
[17:25] <xclaesse> anyway /me has to go
[17:25] <kenvandine> xclaesse, later!
[17:27] <ogra_> seb128, isnt the log question moot now that rsyslog only logs to a single file ?
[17:28] <seb128> ogra_, does it? should gnome-system-log show that single file? should we drop gnome-system-log?
[17:28] <seb128> ogra_, well you still have stuff like Xorg.0.log
[17:29] <ogra_> yeah, indeed, but if we log to a single file we should just make that one the default i would think ... and add others if there is actual demand
[17:30] <seb128> ogra_, what file is that?
[17:30] <ogra_> (iirc the desktop team (pitti) made that rsyslog change)
[17:30] <seb128> ok, I didn't follow on that
[17:30] <ogra_> /var/log/syslog i think
[17:30] <seb128> see good that sent that email :p
[17:30] <ogra_> :)
[17:31] <ogra_> better ask pitti for details i only follwed it with half an eye either
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, don't worry about your vala revert, we reverted the glib single include enforcement as well
[17:31] <ogra_> but essentiallly it should aggregate all logs in that one file nowadays
[17:31] <mterry> seb128, cool
[17:31] <seb128> mterry, it was breaking too much still
[17:31] <seb128> ogra_, will do, thanks
[17:32] <mterry> seb128, was wondering why the revert didn't break my vala compilations as well  :)
[17:32] <seb128> hehe
[18:23]  * didrocks waves good evening!
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i wrote my first post now http://www.chriscoulson.me.uk/blog/?p=19 ;)
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> it's probably the only blog post i will ever write!
[19:27] <dobey> chrisccoulson: looks like you wrote 19 of them
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> lol
[19:30] <dobey> or if that's a hash key, it explains why firefox eats all my ram :)
[19:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you buy the domain name only to host a blog? ;-)
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah!
[19:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, pushing people to use buggy software again :p
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> lol
[19:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm disappointed by my tb9 update btw :-(
[19:40] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, what happened to it?
[19:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I get a not-nice-looking "busy" cursor
[19:41] <seb128> like when I click on a folder and it's refreshing it
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a bit annoying. i'm not sure why that changed
[19:41] <chrisccoulson> i can't remember what it looked like before
[19:41] <seb128> well for sure it was not out of style with the default white one
[19:42] <seb128> I guess it was the one spinning one but I'm not sure, it's just that something feels wrong since I updated so I'm pretty sure it was not like that :p
[19:42] <seb128> one spinning -> white spinning
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, do you remember me showing you that busy cursor in tb9 at UDS?
[19:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey, yeah, vaguely
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, any idea what changed there?
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> it's not very nice looking ;)
[19:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I remember you suspected it was compiz breaking on us
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> oh, that might be a different issue
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> but yeah, compiz is always to blame ;)
[19:43] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: do you have STR?
[19:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol, if I try under gnome-shell and it's broken you will own me beers for restart my session :p
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> STR?
[19:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw did you see my question this afternoon?
[19:45] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: minimal steps to reproduce
[19:45] <seb128> question or "comment"
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah. i'm not sure where those icons come from
[19:45] <seb128> m_conley, "click on an imap folder"
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, d'oh ;)
[19:45] <seb128> m_conley, it's the cursor you get while it's refreshing the folder
[19:45] <m_conley> ah, yes, I'm seeing that too
[19:45] <seb128> i.e the "busy" cursor
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, that cursor never used to look like that
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> but i can't remember what it looked like before :)
[19:46] <m_conley> hrm, me neither
[19:46] <m_conley> and I can't say for certain where the problem might lie - where in Gecko, if at all...
[19:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the icons really look out of style :-( it's a shame where the standard folder ones are the orange ubuntu ones and where the toolbar is nice as well ... should I blame andreas for it? ;-)
[19:46] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: might be worth filing a platform bug?
[19:47] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, ok, i'll take a look at that tomorrow and try and figure out where it comes from
[19:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm disappointed that you didn't blog about the nice birmingham beach btw ;-)
[19:53] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:56] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, is it just me, or is this busy cursor impossible to get a screenshot of?
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> lol @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/901867
[21:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 901867 in firefox "Private Browsing" [Undecided,New]
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> oh
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> actually, i might have misunderstood his bug report :)
[21:10] <chrisccoulson> dam, it's not funny anymore
[21:17] <Omega> Yeah, that irks me about firefox.
[23:08] <Cheery> from #ubuntu-devel:
[23:08] <Cheery> 00:41 < Cheery> it's simple question and I know the answer, but I'm interested  to hear if you've got something to add.
[23:09] <Cheery> 00:42 < Cheery> if I'd like to write an opengl application for ubuntu, what  could I do?
[23:36] <Sweetshark> RAOF: ping
[23:37] <Sweetshark> ?
[23:52] <mfisch> stgraber: perhaps you remember the review you did for me a couple weeks back?  re: gnome-nettools
[23:54] <mfisch> stgraber: I have a follow-up when you're around


[03:05] <yahyaa> can someone please help me???
[03:06] <yahyaa> I am trying to burn an audio cd but k3b keeps crashing everytime I try to add the music I want, when I attempt to run a back trace this is what it says "Application: K3b (k3b), signal: Segmentation fault"
[03:07] <yahyaa> It was working fine about a week ago, but now it keeps crashing, please help!!!
[03:11] <valorie> yahyaa: you might try running it from a konsole
[03:12] <valorie> to see what's happening in more detail
[03:12] <yahyaa> ok
[03:12] <valorie> sucks to keep having to throw away cds, for sure
[03:15] <yahyaa> i did it, and it is giving a lot of information, none of which i can make heads or tails of
[03:16] <yahyaa> this is one of the messages: QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication.  You should not do that since it most likely will not work
[03:16] <valorie> those are just warnings
[03:16] <yahyaa> ok
[03:17] <valorie> yahyaa: there is a #k3b channel
[03:18] <yahyaa> how do I go to it
[03:18] <valorie> however, the topic says: K3b - The CD/DVD/BD Kreator for KDE - http://www.k3b.org - low traffic channel, have patience when you ask (usually ½ a day)
[03:18] <yahyaa> #k3b
[03:18] <valorie> click on that and you'll join that channel
[03:19] <valorie> or say /join #k3b
[03:19] <valorie> on a line by itself
[03:19] <valorie> you'll want to copy the output into a pastebin, such as http://paste.kde.org
[03:23] <yahyaa> ok i did that, anything else
[03:24] <valorie> I don't know anything about the application beyond being a happy user
[03:24] <valorie> I usually use it to rip rather than burn stuff though
[03:25] <valorie> although I burned ISOs a few months ago for our local linuxfest
[03:25] <valorie> worked well then
[03:30] <yahyaa> what app do u use to brun audio cd's?
[03:31] <valorie> yahyaa: I never do that
[03:31] <valorie> for years
[03:32] <valorie> I suppose I should, for the car
[03:32] <valorie> I'd use k3b, if I did
[05:15] <someothernick> Ive got a fancy new laptop with a multitouch trackpad. I'd like to make a 3 finger touch trigger alt-left mouse click. I can see how to configure synaptics to trigger a 6th button mouse click. is there a way to configure kubuntu to interpret this as alt-left mouse click?
[05:20] <valorie> someothernick: you might write to the kubuntu list about this -- not sure the channel has enough conscious people on Sun night/Mon morning to see your question
[05:21] <someothernick> valorie: not a bad idea. thanks.
[09:16] <linksleep> !list
[10:37] <N03L> What kinda apps people running on Kubuntu? I've installed it a while ago but haven't found the time to try out new stuff on this thing. Any suggestions?
[12:14] <hazamonzo> Hey folks. Im having trouble with my pastebin widget on the desktop. Sometimes, when i try to paste an image / code, the widget locks up (like there is no timeout).... this locks up my KDE UI completely. I can't click on any of the taskbar options. Is there a way to kill this pastebin widget process. Maybe someone knows the process name?
[12:24] <nzoz> hello, when i copy text from an application, and i close the application, i lose the content of the clipboard; is that normal, and is there a fix? thanks
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:36] <pider> Anyone know how to connect Amarok to a mediaserver I have?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> is the media server listed in dolphin, pider ?
[12:42] <alvin> pider: What media server?
[12:42] <pider> no, only as a network samba server
[12:42] <alvin> The DAAP plugin doesn't work out-of-the box.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Amarok can open files in a media server if you use the correct path to it
[12:48] <pider> here is a dump from amarok when I try to connect the server [url=http://bildr.no/view/Yi8vT2xS][img]http://bildr.no/thumb/Yi8vT2xS.jpeg[/img][/url]
[12:51] <BluesKaj> I see an ad in norsk about money, that's all
[12:52] <BluesKaj> could be swedish . not sure :)
[12:53] <BluesKaj> the .no is a giveaway tho
[12:55] <BluesKaj> pider, ??
[12:56] <pider> the dump will not load, I try once more
[12:58] <BluesKaj> just use pastebin
[12:58] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | pider
[12:59] <pider> http://bildr.no/view/bzUzTXVu
[13:00] <BluesKaj> pider, I see green day lyrics :)
[13:01] <BluesKaj> yes /media/mediaserver looks correct
[13:01] <pider> Yes, one the left side there is nothing when I try to conect to the server
[13:02] <BluesKaj> pider, have you tried scanning in amarok using theat path ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> that path
[13:03] <BluesKaj> scanning your music files that is
[13:03] <pider> no, how?
[13:07] <BluesKaj> in amarok , settings, local media (I'm assuming your server is on your local network) , scroll to your /media and find the /media server
[13:08] <BluesKaj> pider,^
[13:08] <pider> I have done that, but the mp3's shows up as unknown http://bildr.no/view/OWpqcTBB
[13:09] <pider> and cannot play
[13:10] <pider> maybe I must be root?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> then what is that music list I see on the url post?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> make sure you have root permissions
[13:18] <pider> I tried the root permission, but did not help much, I must stop now, I must got to work, thanks for help try some more later! :-)
[13:41] <jhutson456> I'm trying to decide between Ubuntu and Kubuntu.
[13:41] <jhutson456> does Kubuntu have the Ubuntu Software Center?
[13:42] <genii> jhutson456: Kubuntu uses Muon instead. However, if you don't mind occasionally typing into command line you can use apt-get on either.
[13:44] <jhutson456> given that, is Kubuntu 100% compatable with Ubuntu?
[13:44] <jhutson456> IE Steam and such
[13:46] <genii> jhutson456: Steam runs under Kubuntu, yes. As far as 100% compatibility of all apps between them, this is a matter of speculation.
[14:31] <k4jcw> greetings. ive used kubunt plenty, but just booted he latest 64-bit cd in try me mode. its asking for a password, and has a button that says "kde plasma workspace". i can type in the password box, but get no errors, messages or anything.
[14:33] <k4jcw> clicking the "kde plasma workspace" vutton just toggles it between bold and not bold text.
[14:40] <Draggin> Good afternoon!  I can't seem to find any references to anyone else experiencing this issue - I (finally) upgraded my machine to Kubuntu 12.10 yesterday. The upgrade went smoothly for the most part, except that some packages weren't downloaded and skipped during install (but sudo apt-get -f install fixed them up in no time). I got a new nVidia driver in the upgrade process, and that's where the issue seems to be...
[14:43] <Draggin> While on the desktop and with K-apps, everything runs beautifully and even better than before, if I start up any application (mostly referring to games) with a resolution other than my desktop resolution (1600x1200), it's completely hit and miss. Sometimes it works perfectly, sometimes the display "freezes" on the first visual screen of the programme while all the sound and interface gets loaded (as I can tell from the speakers and interaction I still get
[14:43] <Draggin> with a gamepad). The display stays stuck on the first glitched screen though.
[14:44] <Draggin> Killing the offending app then leaves my desktop at the resolution that the app was attempting to run in. If I then start up the programme, it seems to work 100% of the time. So I suspect there's some glitch with switching modes, but I have no idea how to fix it... Any ideas?
[14:46] <genii> Draggin: There was a bug in the 310 drivers when changing resolutions. Which driver version are you currently running?
[14:47] <Draggin> genii - Looks like 304.88
[14:47] <genii> Hm, probably not that one then.
[14:51] <Draggin> genii - Do you have a link to the 310 issue that you mentioned? I see reference to 310.19 being the latest -> is that after the bug you're talking about?
[14:52] <genii> Draggin: Does the output of xrandr show the resolutions the other apps want to use on it's list?
[14:53] <Draggin> genii - Yup - pretty much every conceivable resolution combination listed there... :/
[14:54] <al_> good afternoon (at least where I am...)! i'm new here... it's been awhile since I used a IRC program... 1998... so if anyone can give me a little help I would be thankful
[14:55] <genii> Draggin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310/+bug/1094905
[14:58] <Draggin> genii - Ah, yes - I've come across that issue in my searches, but it's not quite the same. I can switch resolutions in Kubuntu no problem. The issue is only when I start up another app, say Zombie Grinder (640x480) or Aquaria (800x600) or OpenTTD (1024x768) that everything goes awry
[14:58] <genii> al_: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html has basic usage of the commands. Freenode uses alis instead of /list though
[14:58] <genii> !alis
[14:58] <al_> anyone from Brazil? Portugal? Spain?
[14:59] <genii> al_: For that see the bot's factoids of !br and !es :)
[15:00] <genii> Draggin: It's pretty frustrating that the forums are still offline
[15:00] <Draggin> genii - Yeah! I was bowled over last night when I started searching, saw relevant-looking links in Google, but when clicking on them, saw the forums were STILL offline...
[15:01] <Draggin> Must have been quite a serious breach
[15:04] <Draggin> genii - how do I actually switch back to using Nouveau? I just want to test that it definitely is the nVidia driver causing this and not something else...
[15:08] <Draggin> Going to disappear for a bit to try some things...
[15:09] <genii> Draggin: If you have some line in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf that mentions nvidia, move or rename the file. Then make sure you remove the line in your /etc/default/grub like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"  if it exists and do after that: sudo update-grub. Then remove the nvidia drivers using apt-get and --purge
[15:09] <genii> Hm.
[19:36] <esing> hi
[19:36] <esing> Does Kubuntu support touchscreens?
[19:37] <romas> hello
[19:38] <romas> hi esing
[19:39] <esing> hi roasted
[19:39] <esing> hi romas
[19:39] <romas> what version of kubuntu do you use, esing?
[19:39] <esing> kubuntu 13.04
[19:40] <esing> For the new laptop Iam thinking about kubuntu 13.10,
[19:40] <romas> I use kubuntu 12.10 :) and samsung ml-2160 printer
[19:40] <esing> Because the kubuntu 13.04 isn't booting, because of the haswell gpu
[19:40] <esing> +live usb
[19:41] <romas> I use live-DVD
[19:59] <m_tadeu> hi...my kubuntu just froze completelly...the disk led is always on and the system began to slow down 'till it froze
[20:00] <m_tadeu> how can I see what is going on?
[20:02] <HighHo> m_tadeu: could one of your partions reached 100% use? See if you can press "Ctrl + Alt + F1" this should take you to a console sesion, login and run "df" (Ctrl + Alt +F7" should take you back to the X session (gui).
[20:03] <m_tadeu> I can't...also trying via ssh
[20:04] <m_tadeu> but I don't think any of the partitions are near full
[20:06] <HighHo> I would still make it one of the first things to check
[20:07] <m_tadeu> yes...as soon as I can....but I'll probaly have to reboot it
[20:09] <HighHo> Unfortunatly im not awre of any other possible options if you cant access anything, or ssh. Someone else might know a trick.
[20:09] <m_tadeu> ok...rebooting
[20:10] <m_tadeu> I need to know where to check for problems....check partition full....what else?
[20:12] <HighHo> Check top, see if any process is using 100% use for cpu/mem
[20:13] <m_tadeu> now there's nothing going on...I need to check the previous session stuff
[20:16] <m_tadeu> network is weirdly slow
[20:20] <genii> Sounds like some memory leak
[20:21] <m_tadeu> HighHo: can tempfs cause problems?
[20:23] <HighHo> Shouldnt as long as there is space
[20:24] <m_tadeu> swap was not active....
[20:26] <m_tadeu> ok...I'll try to provoke the same problem
[20:26] <genii> Flash sometimes causes headaches if you have multiple tabs in FF open all using it
[20:27] <m_tadeu> genii: thx for the tip....I don't use FF and was not browsing
[20:45] <m_tadeu> I think it was a combination of java/no swap
[21:10] <maurizio> Buonasera, non riesco ad installare/attivare i driver per la mia ato hd3450 su kubuntu 13.04,potete aiutarmi)?
[21:12] <genii> !it| maurizio
[21:12] <maurizio> tank you
[21:20] <m_tadeu> I have 2 screens...one task bar for each of them and their own apps. but when windows are maximized they show on both task bars...why is this happening?
[21:21] <maurizio> sorry, but i have very problem with the installation of ati hd3450 driver on my kubuntu 13.04,can you help me? Sorry for my english!
[21:24] <[Raiden]> maurizio: try to install with nomodeset kernel option
[21:25] <maurizio> in that way
[21:25] <maurizio> with the software package
[21:28] <maurizio> i have download amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.zip, uncompressed and i have try with sudo sh ./amd......
[21:28] <[Raiden]> oh, I did not understand the question. My English is also the curve :)
[21:28] <maurizio> but uncessfull it
[21:28] <maurizio> raiden: i have download amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.zip, uncompressed and i have try with sudo sh ./amd......
[21:29] <maurizio> [Raiden]:  i have download amd-driver-installer-catalyst-13.1-legacy-linux-x86.x86_64.zip, uncompressed and i have try with sudo sh ./amd......
[21:30] <[Raiden]> maybe this will help http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Raring_Installation_Guide
[21:31] <[Raiden]> ATI RadeonHD 2x00 - 4xx0 cards If you have one of these cards, you do have the option of using the Catalyst Legacy driver, but only if you downgrade your Xserver version (the Catalyst Legacy driver does not support the kernel version (3.5) or the Xserver version (1.13) that Ubuntu Quantal/12.10 uses).
[21:32] <[Raiden]> там так написано
[21:32] <[Raiden]> there is written
[21:32] <maurizio> my card is hd3450
[21:32] <maurizio> if i wont downgrade xserver, is very difficult?
[21:34] <[Raiden]> without downgrade you can use opensource driver
[21:35] <[Raiden]> imho - im not radeon user.
[21:48] <maurizio> [Raiden]: tank ypu very much, now read it and try . Good bye!
[21:48] <[Raiden]> bye
[23:36] <DoktorV> How can I find out whether my system is 32 or 64 bit?
[23:37] <ikonia> DoktorV: what cpu is in it
[23:37] <DoktorV> I know the processor is 64 bit but I suspect I installed 32 bit Kubuntu by mistake\
[23:37] <ikonia> DoktorV: uname -a please
[23:38] <DoktorV> 3.2.0-49-generic-pae #75-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jun 18 18:00:21 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[23:38] <DoktorV> Looks like it, yeah
[23:38] <ikonia> DoktorV: 32bit
[23:38] <DoktorV> Is it possible to upgrade to 64 bit without wiping the system out?
[23:38] <ikonia> no
[23:38] <DoktorV> All right, off to the backup mines
[23:40] <DoktorV> Thank you
[23:41] <sir_R3AL> that's fine if you installed 32
[23:41] <sir_R3AL> 90 percent of programs you install will be 32 bit
[23:41] <sir_R3AL> anyway
[23:42] <ikonia> no they won't
[23:42] <sir_R3AL> in my experience yes they are
[23:42] <ikonia> if you install a 64bit OS all the programs will be 64bit, there are very 32bit only programs
[23:42] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: sorry, that's just wrong
[23:42] <sir_R3AL> there's hardly any 32 bit programs. I know because i just upgraded to 64 bit and I can barely find any that are 64
[23:43] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: that's just nonsense
[23:43] <sir_R3AL> ur trippin
[23:43] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: how did you upgrade to 64bit
[23:43] <[Raiden]> sir_R3AL: your windows experience?
[23:43] <sir_R3AL> 32 bit programs run just fine on 64 bit
[23:43] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: no, no no no
[23:43] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: stop talking, you're just making things up now
[23:43] <sir_R3AL> kubuntu
[23:43] <sir_R3AL> i bought an amd 6 core processor
[23:43] <sir_R3AL> fx
[23:43] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: can you please show me the ouptut of "uname -a" on your machine
[23:44] <sir_R3AL> sure
[23:44] <sir_R3AL> Linux Trubuntu 3.8.0-26-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jun 17 21:43:33 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:44] <sir_R3AL> see.
[23:44] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: so that's running 64bit, what 32bit programs are you using that are not availavle in 64bit
[23:44] <[Raiden]> only skype 32bits in my kubuntu
[23:44] <ikonia> as you said %90 where 32bit
[23:45] <sir_R3AL> well to be honest on windows there is a 32 bit folder and a 64 bit folder. and most of the programs i downloaded go to the 32 bit one.
[23:45] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: you're not using windows
[23:45] <sir_R3AL> i use both
[23:45] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: we are talking about kubuntu
[23:45] <[Raiden]> ))
[23:45] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: you're advising a user - using kubuntu
[23:46] <ikonia> so the windows situation is not of any relevence
[23:46] <sir_R3AL> we are talking about computer architecture
[23:46] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: no, we are not
[23:46] <sir_R3AL> not os's
[23:46] <sir_R3AL> maybe YOU are
[23:46] <sir_R3AL> lol
[23:46] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: we are talking about a user running 32bit kubuntu and wanting 64bit
[23:46] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: no, you're just made stuff up and trying to dig yourself out of hole
[23:46] <sir_R3AL> i was never in any hole
[23:46] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: ok, then
[23:46] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: what are the 32bit only programs you speak of
[23:46] <ikonia> the %90
[23:47] <sir_R3AL> most programs are written dont take advantage of 64 bit architecture
[23:47] <sir_R3AL> that's my point
[23:47] <ikonia> sir_R3AL: that doesn't mean they are not 64bit
[23:47] <[Raiden]> I'm guessing it has windows user experience
[23:47] <sir_R3AL> im gonna google that it's a good question
[23:47] <ikonia> this is just made up nonsense
[23:48] <ikonia> D353R7F0X: if you want to use 64bit, do a clean 64bit install and ignore what sir_R3AL has said, your software will be 64bit - all of it
[23:48] <[Raiden]> +1
[23:48] <ikonia> D353R7F0X: there are a very small number of proptiary programs such as skype that are 32bit, and there are instructions on how to use it
[23:50] <sir_R3AL> Most programs designed for the 32-bit version of Windows will work on the 64-bit version of Windows.  All (99.9%) programs in 64bit kubuntu is 64bit
[23:52] <[Raiden]> I'm sorry that intervened in the conversation :)
[23:52] <juancarlos> by default no 32bit lib installed i think
[23:54] <sir_R3AL> yea ur right.
[23:55] <sir_R3AL> wow that's pretty cool. another reason to love ubuntu
[23:55] <[Raiden]> sir_R3AL: kubuntu multi architectural and you can put a copy of 32bit software, but only for yourself. For example you can install 64bit mplayer or 32bit.
[23:55] <[Raiden]> 64 bit installs by default
[23:55] <sir_R3AL> only for yourself?
[23:55] <ikonia> no
[23:56] <ikonia> architecture is system wide
[23:57] <[Raiden]> kernel - yes 64bit . other programs are duplicated
[23:58] <sir_R3AL> does anyone know anything about virii? or viruses?
[23:59] <ikonia> in what respect ?
[23:59] <sir_R3AL> well what some people mean when they say that viruses aren't on linux