[00:34] <nicklas_> i happened to remove the emblems on the default icons in home. is there any way to get the emblems back in mate?
[01:05] <nomic> on the panel?
[01:05] <nicklas_> nah, in caja
[01:05] <nicklas_> i can show you
[01:06] <nomic> how did you remove them
[01:07] <nicklas_> http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?file=9163ddn750sf00j0bbt2.png
[01:08] <nicklas_> i moved them to my google drive by mistake
[01:08] <nicklas_> when i moved them back, the emblems were gone
[01:08] <nomic> whats missing
[01:08] <nicklas_> the emblem in the icon
[01:09] <nicklas_> you know, speaker on music, arrow on downloads
[01:09] <nicklas_> and such
[01:09] <nicklas_> not a separate emblem, the emblem that is in the middle of the icon
[01:10] <nomic> ask in forums
[01:10] <nomic> cos
[01:10] <nomic> i don't even know what is missing
[01:11] <nicklas_> right clicking and going to properties doesnt help
[01:11] <nicklas_> ok :-) hehe
[01:11] <nicklas_> look in your own home directory, you dont see any difference on the icons?
[01:12] <nomic> i use nautilus
[01:12] <nomic> also
[01:12] <nomic> i aint on mate .. xfce
[01:12] <nomic> mate is on pis
[01:12] <nicklas_> in mate?
[01:12] <nicklas_> ah
[01:12] <nicklas_> i actually prefer thunar
[04:51] <mate|5554> ubuntu mate
[10:33] <mate|19389> hi
[10:34] <mate|19389> is there any ubuntu users telegram groups?
[10:37] <mate|19389> up?
[10:39] <alkisg> Wait a couple of hours for answers... :)
[10:39] <alkisg> Not all people watch the channel continuously
[11:59] <mate|67720> hey i am new
[13:41] <irget> Pozdrav !!!
[13:47] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[13:47] <ubuntu-mate> >(
[15:47] <nick__> hi i am installing wine on a 32 bit ubuntu eith terminal the microsoft terms of use comes up how do i agree ?
[15:47] <ouroumov> hi nick__
[15:47] <ouroumov> I'm not sure, what do you see?
[15:50] <nick__> i see the terms of use and at the bottom it has <ok> but i can"t get out i close terminal and then wine is bot installed
[17:11] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, how important is it for you that the UM GRUB menu is pretty?
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> Why do you ask?
[17:11] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, I think it's of limited interest and is frequently a source of problems.
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> What problems?
[17:12] <Akuli> i always remove the grub theme package :)
[17:12] <ouroumov> Graphics problems when using weird screen setups
[17:12] <Akuli> e.g. gray box showing up while the os loads
[17:12] <Akuli> well that too
[17:12] <ouroumov> The text mode is fullproof, but the graphical BRUG often screws up
[17:12] <ouroumov> Case in point: https://ubuntu-mate.community/uploads/default/optimized/2X/3/3bcc4fc85711405619b8993a4fa8973f16b7952f_1_574x500.png
[17:13] <ouroumov> s/BRUG/GRUB/ *
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov Feel free to prepare a merge proposal with your recommended changes :-)
[17:14] <Akuli> is ubuntu mate's source/build scripts/whatever on github?
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> It's all in the package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-artwork
[17:14] <Akuli> i would suggest just not having the grub theme package installed by default
[17:14] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, ehm, I don't know how to do that, but the recommended change is basically to uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /e
[17:15] <ouroumov> int /etc/default/grub *
[17:15] <flexiondotorg> Source is here - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-artwork
[17:15] <Akuli> ouroumov, the grub theme would then be installed without ever being used
[17:15] <ouroumov> Yes, I realize that.
[17:15] <Akuli> currently the theme installs and uninstalls cleanly, so i think it's just the matter of what's installed by default
[17:19] <ouroumov> Akuli, if the theme package is not installed by default then grub fallback to console mode?
[17:19] <Akuli> i think so, at least it does in 16.04
[17:19] <Akuli> try removing it and see what happens
[17:19] <Akuli> i mean, in 14.04 :D
[17:19] <ouroumov> I don't have a trusty box handy
[17:20] <ouroumov> what's the name of the package in zetsy?
[17:20] <Akuli> i meant, try 16.04
[17:20] <Akuli> because i know it works in 14.04
[17:20] <Akuli> i was kind of unclear
[17:20] <ouroumov> grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate - GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (ubuntu-mate theme)
[17:21] <Akuli> yes, that noe
[17:21] <Akuli> one
[17:30] <ouroumov> Akuli, flexiondotorg  I confirm removing grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate in 17.04 doesn't appear to break anything and has the desired effect.
[17:38] <Akuli> great :) so we can at least recommend it to everyone unless someone feels like creating a pull request or whatever the thing is in launchpad
[17:40] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov What does the GRUB screen look like if you do that?
[17:41] <Akuli> like in sane ubuntus :) plain text
[17:41] <Akuli> not a command line of course
[17:42] <Akuli> i believe roughly like this https://www.linuxforum.com/attachments/figure-01-jpg.155/
[17:43] <Akuli> i think that's good, there are easy instructions for beginners and nothing unnecessary
[17:53] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://i.imgur.com/r579UvZ.png
[17:54] <ouroumov> It's still the background Ubuntu-MATE color, but full console mode, and sure, with no logo.
[17:55] <ouroumov> It's still not the same branding as vanilla ubuntu with the purple background
[17:56] <ouroumov> The boot option list is correctly displayed: https://i.imgur.com/aignIJu.png
[17:58] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov Can you raise a bug please. We are in feature freeze so I need to bug reference for changes :-)
[17:58] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, okay, I'm on it
[17:59] <Akuli> why can't it just be a github pull request :(
[18:00] <flexiondotorg> Because to change this I have to modify the seeds that create the meta-packages and tasks that build the iso image.
[18:07] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1673845
[18:07] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov Thanks.
[18:48] <mate|42161> k
[22:40] <nomic> z.z.z.


[00:35] <coolstar-pc> Any ideas on how I can improve the time it takes to log in?
[02:00] <almoxarife> does quassel allow a nick to initiate a pvt chat with me or must i allow said nick to pvt chat? i used pidgin till now and i am not sure how it works
[02:47] <pangolin> almoxarife: all irc clients should allow that.
[02:48] <almoxarife> pangolin: i guess what i want is to default to deny, and allow as an option, it was a option i got used to with pidgin, never see a pm unless they are tagged as allowed to pm
[02:49] <pangolin> I believe you need to /umode +g
[02:49] <almoxarife> pangolin: is that a quassel option or a freenode option?
[02:49] <pangolin> that will allow you to accept or deny PM
[02:49] <pangolin> freenode
[02:50] <almoxarife> i guess now i just need to figure out how to add that to quassel
[02:50] <pangolin> probably in your network settings, #quassel should be able to help more
[02:51] <almoxarife> thnks
[02:51] <pangolin> sure thing.
[02:53] <almoxarife> Unknown command UMODE
[02:54] <almoxarife> ?
[02:54] <Unit193> /mode almoxarife +g   might do it (But that client is odd)
[02:55] <almoxarife> quassel is odd?
[02:55] <pangolin> a little bit
[02:55] <pangolin> not more than any other client though
[02:55] <pangolin> some clients know about /umode some don't
[02:55] <pangolin> that was sudden
[02:55] <pangolin> heh
[02:56] <almoxarife> pidgin is my friend
[02:57] <pangolin> you really should give quassel a chance
[02:57] <pangolin> it is a nice client
[02:58] <pangolin> just that some commands like /umode may not have been aliased, the actual syntax is /mode nick +mode
[02:58] <almoxarife> I stopped using pidgin only because when I suspend and return I get the 'ssl handshake error' and I didn't before, I don't think, the only fix I found was to completely restart pidgin
[02:59] <pangolin> might want to report a bug.
[03:01] <almoxarife> I can't be the only person on freenode with pidgin, and it may be due to stripping out ubuntu and replacing it with kde without a outright fresh install
[03:02] <kpuljek> hi, i need help with reenabling direct rendering. it used to work just fine but i suddenly lost it and a lot of kwin effects stopped working. i haven't updated anything, and i'll admit that i had this happen under more than one kde distribution, but i'm sick of running from this problem and want to finally trace why it happens
[04:13] <PatrickC> is there a package manager for kubuntu like there is for ubuntu
[04:13] <PatrickC> ?
[04:51] <nlsthzn> PatrickC: both ubuntu and kubuntu come with apt-get ... but for something more graphical you can isntall Synaptic but the latest versions of Kubuntu come with the Muon  Software Center, looks and works a lot like the Ubuntu Software Center
[08:14] <kroonrs> PatrickC_Away: kpackagekit
[09:13] <beau> what is the tool for checking which ports I have open?
[09:19] <sneauxwolf> nmap is used to find what ports I have open right?
[10:16] <vsrao> When I load pages like Youtube(on any browser), the images on the page don't load. However, they do on the same browsers on Windows. Has anyone experienced this?
[11:07] <drox> Good morning, I know if thunderbird is updated to 9.0.1 as it is at 11.10 Basic version 8.0
[11:07] <phoenix_firebrd> my update process using muon stopped at 80% and ended the process. What is the command to resume the installation process?
[11:09] <yofel> sudo dpkg --configure -a; sudo apt-get install -f; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:09] <drox> I had installed thunderbird on ubuntu 10.10 installed with the app, when I switched to Kubuntu 11.10 I copied the folder. thunderbird but not all the add-on work because I think the version of thunderbird. Can anyone help me?
[11:10] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel:  ya, its sudo dpkg --configure -a , i remember now, thank you
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats returns nothing, that means the install process completed successfully?
[11:11] <yofel> try a dist-upgrade, but should be fine
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[11:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: returns "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded " . so mine is fully upgraded?
[11:14] <drox> no one can help me?
[11:15] <almoxarife> drox: explain it again, plse
[11:15] <drox> I know if thunderbird is updated to 9.0.1 as it is at 11.10 Basic version 8.0
[11:15] <drox> I had installed thunderbird on ubuntu 10.10 installed with the app, when I switched to Kubuntu 11.10 I copied the folder. thunderbird but not all the add-on work because I think the version of thunderbird. Can anyone help me?
[11:16] <almoxarife> copied what folder?
[11:16] <drox> I hope that my English is understandable
[11:16] <almoxarife> its fine, what folder did you copy?
[11:17] <drox> copied .thunderbird in my home
[11:17] <almoxarife> drox: copied it back to to home?
[11:19] <almoxarife> drox: lets assume you saved your .thunderbird folder and restored it after the kubuntu install, all the extra plugins/extentions to thunderbird you previoulsy had also need to be re-installed
[11:20] <drox> almoxarife:  So I had installed please thunderbird on ubuntu 10.10, before formatting and installing Kubuntu I moved the folder in my home ubuntu. thunderbird on a external HD, then install kubuntu I installed thunderbird termites, and I copied the folder. in my thunderbird new home but only that some add-on will not work.
[11:21] <almoxarife> drox: the addons that do not work, are they installed??? do they need to be re-installed?
[11:23] <drox> waiting for I send you a screenshot
[11:23] <almoxarife> drox: ok
[11:24] <drox> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/860/schermata1g.png/
[11:25] <drox> more I would need to have it in Italian but I can not find the addon to do the translation ...
[11:29] <almoxarife> drox: was there an italian addon before?
[11:29] <drox> yes almoxarife
[11:30] <drox> I removed it trying to make it work
[11:30] <drox> :d
[11:31] <almoxarife> open a terminal
[11:32] <almoxarife> copy paste the next line to terminal
[11:32] <almoxarife> sudo apt-get install thunderbird-locale-it
[11:32] <drox> this problem are risolution
[11:33] <almoxarife> what?
[11:33] <drox> solved the problem of language
[11:34] <drox> better than continuing to use the translator heheeh: D
[11:34] <almoxarife> dont use translator, speak broken italian if needed, i speak portugues
[11:35] <drox> almoxarife: are you italian?
[11:35] <almoxarife> no, portugues
[11:35] <drox> ;D
[11:38] <drox> why my thunderbird are at the version 8.0 and not 9.0 and it isn't update?
[12:00] <tstaerk> Hi, I don't understand the GRUB that comes with Ubuntu.
[12:01] <tstaerk> GRUB coming with SUSE is easily configurable via /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[12:01] <tstaerk> how do I do this under Ubuntu?
[12:06] <Peace-> tstaerk: we got grub2
[12:06] <Peace-> menu.lst there is not
[12:07] <tstaerk> so I hope the 2nd version is not more complicated :)
[12:07] <Peace-> tstaerk: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:07] <tstaerk> this file tells me I should not change it
[12:07] <Peace-> !grub
[12:09] <almoxarife> tstaerk: suse is next door
[12:10] <tstaerk> I don't have a suse question
[12:10] <almoxarife> tstaerk: changes to grub are a two part deal, first edit /etc/default/grub and second run sudo update-grub
[12:12] <tstaerk> almoxarife: Peace- slowly I understand...
[12:13] <almoxarife> tstaerk: :)
[13:11] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:24] <crgri> somebody here
[14:24] <crgri> hello !
[14:26] <crgri> what are you think about ubuntu and kubuntu ?
[14:27] <crgri> kubuntu is ubuntu ?
[14:28] <robin0800> crgri
[16:05] <Farsaj> hello
[16:07] <noaXess_netubu> hey
[16:07] <noaXess_netubu> if i suspend my asus netbook i never can bring it back.. doesn't response to any keypress
[16:08] <noaXess_netubu> any idea?
[16:08] <noaXess_netubu> 11.10 kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:08] <yon_> kubuntu sucks
[16:09] <noaXess_netubu> yon_:  thenleave this channel
[16:09] <yon_> i wont
[16:09] <yon_> actually i have a question to ask
[16:11] <yon_> actually i have a question to ask
[16:11] <yon_> actually i have a question to ask
[16:11] <yon_> actually i have a question to ask
[16:11] <FloodBotK3> yon_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:11] <yon_> actually i have a question to ask
[16:12] <noaXess_netubu> thanks
[16:25] <daniele> !list
[17:35] <folsto> Hi what is this thing called where we can set that setting to say 110%, logout and back in, where the desktop would appear enlarged?
[17:36] <folsto> Found it, its DPI.
[17:37] <bob71> bonjours pourquoi? mes taches fermees restent en zombie sur le panel
[17:44] <rork> !fr | bob71
[17:46] <bob71> ok escuse bye
[17:48] <hzhozo> hello, i'm looking for a speech to text program for ubuntu; the language has to accept french
[18:41] <tyler> How can I mount my share on Kubunutu?  In windows I just use \\server\folder but I get nothing when I am doing it on Kubuntu
[18:43] <Peace-> tyler: install samba
[18:43] <Peace-> tyler: right click on a folder , share
[18:43] <Peace-> you need to install samba btw
[18:43] <tyler> lol ok I guess I assumed it was alredy installed sorry
[18:43] <Peace-> then go on dolphin
[18:44] <Peace-> tyler: smb:/
[18:44] <tyler> Peace: Yea that worked thank you very much
[19:20] <Guest76850> i dont want this name how do i get a new one
[19:21] <Peace--> Guest76850: type this
[19:21] <Guest76850> peace
[19:21] <Peace--> Guest76850: /nick yourname

[19:21] <Peace--> Guest76850: what
[19:22] <Guest76850> someone said type that word so i did
[19:22] <Guest76850> i want to be my own psuedoname
[19:22] <Peace--> Guest76850: /nick noobnick
[19:23] <Guest76850> how bout nick the prick
[19:23] <Peace-> bye
[19:23] <Guest76850> fuck
[19:24] <fred__> thats beter cuz thats me man
[19:24] <fred__> beter
[19:24] <fred__> better
[19:28] <goozll> hello, i made a wifi adhoc network on windows and i was able to access it with another windows pc. however i'm failing to connect to it with my kubuntu computer. could someone help me please?
[19:37] <iZac> !list
[21:00] <stavrosLinux> how can I edit my favorites list in quassel?
[22:58] <clashingwave> Hello, can anyone tell me where rekonq stores user data?, I would like to back it up before doing a fresh install, but I can't seem to find it
[23:00]  * coolstar-pc tells clashingwave that there's better support at #kde. kubuntu's irc isn't very good, you know
[23:01] <Unit193> clashingwave: I'm not on it right now, but check ~/.config/ or ~/.rekonq
[23:01] <coolstar-pc> clashingwave: You'll probably get more support at #kde. Most of the people here are idling
[23:01] <clashingwave> Okay, thank you
[23:01] <RiotingPacifist> kde keeps prompting me for root password but i don't have one, Is this a common issue I'm failing at google
[23:02] <coolstar-pc> RiotingPacifist: You'll probably get more support at #kde. Most of the people here are idling
[23:02] <Unit193> RiotingPacifist: Did you try your user password?
[23:02] <Unit193> coolstar-pc: Will you please stop that
[23:02] <coolstar-pc> Unit193: Usually when I ask questions here, I don't get a reply and have to go to either #ubuntu, or #kde to get help.............
[23:03] <RiotingPacifist> Unit193: my password doesn't work
[23:03] <Unit193> It's quite active, you can help too though
[23:04] <RiotingPacifist> coolstar-pc: thanks, I will try those channels if I don't get anywhere here, thanks, but i suspect they will tell me its a distro problem
[23:04] <coolstar-pc> Unit193: I can't really help yet. I do know a lot about Linux, and have used linux for 3 years, but only recently moved to kde because I was annoyed at Unity
[23:07] <Unit193> RiotingPacifist: Did you come across https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo or http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo ?
[23:10] <RiotingPacifist> Unit193: had found first one, just read 2nd, both are to do with sudo which works fine (as does kdesudo) the problem is kde calls something internally asking for root
[23:11] <Unit193> Weird, I haven't had that one...
[23:39] <PhireB0mb3r> Hello everyone. How do I perform a distupgrade?
[23:39] <PhireB0mb3r> I just realized I'm on 11.04, not 11.10
[23:43] <RiotingPacifist> I need to be in an admin group (admin group has no other importance in my system) is this because i'm using polkit?
[23:45] <PhireB0mb3r> Disregard. Found it.


[02:34] <sven_> hello, world!
[02:34] <sven_> (thought it was appropriate)
[02:35] <tritium> sven_: see /topic
[02:36] <sven_> tritium: thanks, on my way to motu
[02:52]  * calc sees interesting rumors of nvidia releasing docs/open source driver
[02:52]  * calc thinks hell will freeze over before that happens
[02:53]  * calc has seen nvidia's 'attempts' before ~ 10 years ago
[03:00] <johanbr> calc: Well, the situation is a bit different now, with the competition already having open specs/drivers.
[03:04] <wgrant> Nouveau is doing an excellent job even without Nvidia's help.
[03:05] <johanbr> Yes, but a reverse-engineered driver will always be playing catchup.
[03:06] <wgrant> This is true.
[03:06] <calc> johanbr: yea
[03:07] <calc> johanbr: from what i recall at the time there were open drivers for the competition as well, ati has an on again off again open source strategy
[03:07] <calc> it looks like now that amd owns them they may stay foss friendly
[03:08] <calc> and amd's help appears to have convinced intel to release documentation along with their drivers :)
[03:11] <wgrant> Is there anyone else around other than NVIDIA, ATI and Intel?
[03:11] <calc> Via, but not really
[03:12] <Nafallo> sis?
[03:12] <calc> they claimed to be going foss but phoronix had an interesting article mentioning their foss efforts appear to be binary only drivers
[03:12] <wgrant> Hahhah SiS.
[03:12] <calc> SiS is what ~ < 0.01% of the market
[03:12]  * jdong hugs Nafallo
[03:13] <jdong> that was the cheer-up I needed for the long day I've had
[03:13] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:13] <calc> SiS has always existed but I have only seen one time
[03:13] <jdong> calc: the last time I saw them it didn't leave a good impression :)
[03:13] <wgrant> I've got one SiS chipset here.
[03:13] <Nafallo> ooh
[03:13] <Nafallo> I know another one...
[03:13] <wgrant> For some reason, Compiz decides it's OK to start on it.
[03:13] <Nafallo> it's m something :-)
[03:13] <calc> and aiui SiS binary drivers suck so hard it probably wouldn't help to have docs
[03:13] <wgrant> It works sort of.
[03:13] <Nafallo> matrox
[03:13] <wgrant> Hah.
[03:13] <Nafallo> I think
[03:14] <calc> i have seen bug reports about SiS can't even do regular 2D right
[03:14] <wgrant> calc: That's right.
[03:15] <calc> matrox is all but dead in the market, they have very specific area that they still sell into
[03:15] <wgrant> What's that? CAD workstations?
[03:16] <jdong> doom95 gamers.
[03:17] <calc> wgrant: airports apparently
[03:17] <calc> wgrant: and financial large number of screens type installs
[03:17] <calc> not much use for 3d, etc
[03:17] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:17] <wgrant> I thought they were for 3D stuff.
[03:17] <wgrant> A rather niche market, anyway.
[03:18] <calc> the last time (i know of) that matrox was foss friendly was ~ 1998-2000 timeframe
[03:18] <calc> back when their video cards were still relevant on the desktop
[03:19] <calc> some of the first 3d support under linux was for the matrox g200
[03:20] <calc> looks like they do quad head on one slot without fan
[03:20] <Nafallo> they are still good for multiscreen setup indeed :-)
[03:20] <calc> yea
[03:21] <Nafallo> which I could have a fun setup like that ;-)
[03:23] <calc> there is also that company XGI
[03:23] <calc> never seen anything from them though
[03:24] <calc> doesn't look like they are sold by many companies either
[03:36] <calc> hmm finally 10GbE over regular copper
[03:36] <Nafallo> has been around for a while :-)
[03:37] <calc> Nafallo: not over copper
[03:38] <Nafallo> yes it have :-)
[03:38] <calc> eh?
[03:38]  * calc looks it up
[03:38] <Nafallo> several months
[03:39] <calc> says the standard was released in 2006 and intel announced their card on thu (afaict)
[03:40] <calc> but maybe someone else released cards before that, dunno
[03:40] <Nafallo> connectix have sold 10GbE solutions for some time :-)
[03:41] <calc> the only connectix i can find info about is the one that wrote the mac software
[03:42] <calc> but yes there was 10GbE for a long time, but over fiber, since at least 2002
[03:42] <Nafallo> http://www.connectix.co.uk/
[03:42] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:44] <calc> ok
[03:46] <calc> of course desktops are barely able to saturate regular GbE currently
[03:47] <Nafallo> very true
[03:49] <protonchris> Anybody had any luck getting a intrepid pbuilder chroot going?
[03:50] <Nafallo> calc: hehe. they've started to think about 40GbE and 100GbE now :-)
[03:54] <jdong> protonchris: yeah I've got one already
[03:55] <jdong> you need to use intrepid's debootstrap but otherwise it was a simple matter
[03:55] <protonchris> Ok.  I thought that the debootstrap for intrepid was backported to hardy.
[03:55] <jdong> not yet that I know of
[03:55] <jdong> oh nvm it's there now
[03:56] <jdong> wasn't there last night yet
[03:57] <protonchris> It doesn't work for me.  Dies when "Installing core packages"
[03:59] <protonchris> It runs into trouble with libc6_2.7-10ubuntu3_i386.deb
[04:05] <wgrant> It's due to a missing dep in debconf, AFAICT.
[04:08] <protonchris> ok
[04:13] <illSleepWheniDie> hi all
[04:14] <illSleepWheniDie> can all the indians here say Here!
[06:16] <Hobbsee> stgraber: your blog is broken.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> stgraber: Fatal error: Call to undefined function drupal_submit_form() in /data/www/stgraber.org/www/modules/akismet/akismet.module on line 707
[06:18] <wgrant> Hobbsee: It *is* PHP...
[06:18] <Hobbsee> wgrant: this is true
[09:56] <stgraber> Hobbsee: akismet was broken, I disabled it for now.
[10:24] <qense> is there an ALSA developer online? Or maintainer :)
[12:13] <fursund> Hello... In the early alpha-betas of hardy, there was this nifty mount archive - right click in nautilus - tool, do you know where I can download and install that?
[12:23] <qense> Is there an ALSA maintainer online?
[13:28] <Hobbsee> stdin: ah, cool
[13:40] <alex-weej> kernel doesn't boot on a mate's laptop
[13:40] <alex-weej> i noticed -17 came out recently
[13:40] <alex-weej> any way to test it with a disc image? do we still make daily cd's after release?
[14:13] <_MMA_> qense: crimsun will kinda be the guy to talk to. But since it's Sunday I would try back tomorrow. Or at *least* later today. (4 hours or so).
[15:06] <qense> what package is responsible for managing /proc/acpi/fan?
[15:06] <Hobbsee> qense: check with dpkg -S ?
[15:07] <qense> I thought /proc didn't contain files
[15:08] <stdin> the kernel manages all files in /proc
[15:08] <qense> ok
[15:08] <qense> I'm triaging a bug wher fan support disapeared in hardy
[15:09] <qense> everyting was alright in hardy
[15:09] <qense> do you think it's a 2.6.24 issue?
[15:09] <qense> it's filed again acpi-support
[15:11] <qense> the bug number might help you help me. ;) bug 226422
[15:38] <johanbr> qense: Yes, that's a kernel issue.
[15:38] <qense> ok thx I've already changed the package to linux
[15:40] <johanbr> Is frequency scaling working?
[15:41] <qense> I haven't asked him yet
[15:41] <qense> I'll do
[15:41] <alex-weej> when i plug a DVI cable into my notebook, nothing happens. is something supposed to happen or are we not quite there yet?
[15:41] <qense> he says the fan is running all time
[17:03] <hwilde> Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[17:04] <hwilde> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods
[17:04] <hwilde> bootup looks good until those errors
[17:05] <qense> does it actually start or holds it at that point?
[17:05] <hwilde> hodls
[17:05] <hwilde> holds
[17:06] <hwilde> strange part is there is no sd device
[17:06] <hwilde> I don't even know why it's loading that
[17:07] <qense> weird
[17:08] <hwilde> http://pastebin.com/m31bc6bcd   lines 49 & 59
[17:08] <hwilde> then is just says   sda:
[17:08] <hwilde> and sits there
[17:08] <Chipzz> hwilde: errr, you DO know that sd has NOTHING to do with SD cards, do you?
[17:09] <qense> does /var/log/boot contain anything?
[17:09] <hwilde> Chipzz, I dunno it's right in line with it looking for sda in the boot messages.  check my pastebin
[17:09] <hwilde> qense, I dunno it doesn't boot up for me to check the log
[17:10] <qense> can you access the harddisk at another way?
[17:10] <Chipzz> hwilde: no interest. just mentioning because you may be seriously mistaken
[17:10] <Chipzz> sd is a scsi driver
[17:11] <Chipzz> which in recent (for some value of recent) has started to be used by IDE too
[17:11] <hwilde> strange I don't have scsi either
[17:11] <Chipzz> + kernels
[17:11] <hwilde> oh it does load scsi for the cdrom
[17:11] <hwilde> hmm it's a hard lockup, ctrl+alt+del doesn't even respond
[17:11] <Chipzz> not only that
[17:11] <hwilde> brb
[17:12] <Chipzz> hwilde: it should also be mentioned that this channel is not for bug-reports. And since this is a kernel bug, that's one more reason not to ask here
[17:13] <Chipzz> you should, at the very least, ask in #ubuntu-kernel instead of here
[17:13] <hwilde> well... I wan't intending to submit a bug report
[17:13] <hwilde> and if it says a driver needs updated, that sounds like development
[17:13] <hwilde> but thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[17:13] <Chipzz> it isn't
[17:14] <Chipzz> but people should be able to help you in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:14] <Chipzz> if you follow that reasoning, just about everything is "development" ;)
[17:15] <hwilde> sure but that same logic could be used to say that everything is a kernel issue
[17:15] <Chipzz> no :)
[17:15] <Chipzz> it can't :)
[17:16] <Chipzz> if I write a python program with a bug in it, how is that a kernel bug? :)
[17:16] <Chipzz> anyway
[17:16] <hwilde> oh right this isn't gentoo
[17:16] <Chipzz> make sure to check the bugtracker for similar bugs first
[17:16] <Chipzz> chances are someone else already reported it
[17:16] <Chipzz> oh and one more thing
[17:17] <Chipzz> It's currently weekend. Chances are you will not receive much response on #ubuntu-kernel today
[17:17]  * hwilde stares at Chipzz
[17:17] <Chipzz> yes?
[17:17] <hwilde> you have been most helpful sir
[17:17] <hwilde> thank you for the encouragement
[17:18] <Chipzz> just stating some facts :P
[17:18] <Chipzz> ubuntu developers like to have the weekend off too ;)
[17:18] <hwilde> that's why the irc god invented /away mode
[17:18] <Chipzz> and no need for "sir" ;P
[17:19] <hwilde> sir yes sir, thank you for correcting my salutations!
[17:19] <hwilde> hehe
[17:19] <Chipzz> hwilde: there's also a reason god/irc invented topics. Yet people seem to ignore them on a constant basis :P
[17:20] <Chipzz> (that was meant as a general comment, not aimed at you ;))
[17:21] <Chipzz> anyway, good luck with your bug!
[17:22] <hwilde> actually it finally dropped to busybox
[17:22] <hwilde> says /dev/hda1 does not exist
[17:22] <hwilde> so I think it's just coming up under a different name
[17:24] <Chipzz> hwilde: hrrrm, it should be using UUID's instead of device names
[17:24] <hwilde> yeah I am trying to make an image that can be cloned to multiple of the same devices
[17:25] <Chipzz> ouch
[17:25] <Chipzz> in that case, I suggest you kinda keep a close eye on ubuntu development
[17:25] <hwilde> I never could figure out why they use UUIDs
[17:25] <Chipzz> exactly for this reason :)
[17:25] <Chipzz> when the kernel changed from using ie hda to sda, it wouldn't have mattered
[17:26] <mjg59> hwilde: Because device node names aren't stable
[17:26] <qense> what; s the difference between hda and sda>
[17:26] <Chipzz> qense: the way the kernel sees the device
[17:26] <Chipzz> hda is an ide device
[17:26] <Chipzz> sda is a scsi device
[17:26] <qense> ah
[17:26] <hwilde> well, how would you make /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab work on multiple different devices?   the UUIDs are different but /dev/hda1 used to work.  now it's apparently /dev/sda1
[17:26] <Chipzz> or an ide device using scsi emulation
[17:26] <hwilde> but I didn't change it so now the ide is using scsi deriver
[17:27] <Chipzz> hwilde: well in your case I would make sure to read the release notes between upgrades, if you want to stick with hda/sda instead of UUIDs
[17:28] <Chipzz> basically, doing that is unsupported, and if you want to do it, you need to take care of it yourself ;)
[17:29] <ogra> (and no, thats not ubuntu specific, its an pstream kernel change )
[17:29] <ogra> *upstream
[17:30] <Chipzz> btw, unsupported does not mean it won't work. it does mean however, that if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces ;)
[17:30] <ogra> :)
[17:32] <ogra> > I killed Google and the
[17:32] <ogra> > Internet stopped being busy.
[17:33]  * ogra grins about ubuntu-users
[17:33] <qense> why?
[17:34] <ogra> see the quote i pasted :)
[17:35] <qense> well, I think it would make internet even more busy! everyone would have to ask the same question over and over agin
[17:35] <qense> :d
[17:35] <ogra> heh, indeed
[17:36] <qense> #ubuntu would be blown away
[17:37] <hwilde> you should have seen it when ubottu wasnt there :/
[17:39] <qense> at peeks #ubuntu is already terrible
[17:41] <hwilde> depends on how you look at it I guess
[17:42] <hwilde> we could have no users and no interest... then the channel would be quiet
[17:42] <qense> true
[18:25] <jeromeg> jdong: hello
[18:26] <jeromeg> do you have a few seconds ?
[18:38] <ogra> hwilde, hey i totally forgot how much fun #ubuntu can be ... thanks for reminding (sadly working for canonical doesnt often leave time for that though)
[19:31] <cjwatson> protonchris: the intrepid bootstrapping problem is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202; I'm inclined to leave it for a while on the assumption that it'll get fixed in Debian soon and we can just sync it, since intrepid isn't really expected to work at the moment
[19:36] <protonchris> cjwatson: Thanks for the info.  Syncing it sounds like a good idea to me.
[19:36] <cjwatson> once it's fixed in Debian, that'll happen automatically
[19:57] <kees> hm, can someone give-back glib2.0 (2.16.3-2) for i386?  I can't reproduce the test failure, so I'm hoping it a timing bug
[19:57] <kees> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.16.3-2
[20:41] <emgent> heya
[21:08] <bigon> I'm trying to create an intrepid chroot and I get http://paste.debian.net/2194/ should I report that?
[21:24] <pitti> kees: kicked
[22:07] <cjwatson> bigon: intrepid *will* break semi-randomly for some time
[22:08] <cjwatson> bigon: but in any case that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=479202
[22:08] <cjwatson> bigon: for now, either (a) don't be in a rush to create an intrepid chroot :-) or (b) create a hardy chroot and upgrade it
[22:17] <Kopfgeldjaeger> n8
[23:47] <TheMuso> crimsun: Note that the sample cachign thing is an esound thing, not a sound card thing.
[23:47] <crimsun> TheMuso: yes, but there's nothing that would have changed in PA or ESD to issue it.
[23:47] <TheMuso> True.
[23:59] <ogra> OMG
[23:59] <ogra> transmission is surely the worst crap i have ever seen
[23:59] <LaserJock> uh oh
[23:59] <ogra> it just deleted about 1G of music i downloaded over the last months
[23:59] <LaserJock> ouch


[00:11] <gretsch> hello
[00:12] <soundray> Hi
[00:12] <gretsch> thanks for the help
[00:12] <gretsch> tom here
[00:12] <soundray> What does 'mount' say?
[00:12] <gretsch> Mar 10 19:09:11 BigLaptop NetworkManager: <debug> [1205194151.079139] nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part_1_size_4220223488').
[00:12] <gretsch> well, i didn't get output when i did the mount | grep cdrom
[00:13] <soundray> Okay
[00:13] <soundray> What kind of CD are you inserting?
[00:13] <gretsch> dvd
[00:13] <soundray> Audio, video, data?
[00:13] <gretsch> vido
[00:13] <gretsch> video
[00:14] <soundray> !dvd
[00:14] <ubotwo> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:14] <gretsch> i burned it myself, and it works if i juset mount the cdrom as sudo from the console
[00:14] <gretsch> i used Totem
[00:15] <gretsch> i think i did, anyway
[00:15] <soundray> gretsch: in the Removable... dialog, did you enable 'Play Video DVD' on the Multimedia tab?
[00:15] <gretsch> y
[00:16] <gretsch> totem %m
[00:17] <gretsch> and the "Mount removable drives when hot-plugged" is checked
[00:17] <gretsch> as are ALL the boxes in that section
[00:18] <soundray> gretsch: so in summary, you have a DVD that won't be mounted or played automatically, but plays when you mount it on the command line
[00:18] <gretsch> and i have the disk mounter up in the menu bar
[00:18] <gretsch> exactly
[00:18] <gretsch> and i cannot mount as user
[00:18] <gretsch> so is it a permissions thing?
[00:19] <gretsch> because when i select the "mount CD..." option from the little "mount disk" icon
[00:19] <soundray> gretsch: if you call totem from the terminal, while the DVD is not mounted, and you click Movie - Play Disc -- does that  work?
[00:19] <gretsch> as user...
[00:19] <gretsch> it tells me i must be sudo to mount
[00:20] <gretsch> as user?
[00:20] <gretsch> as user, it tells me the same
[00:20] <gretsch> "cannot mount volume"
[00:21] <soundray> gretsch: are you in the cdrom group? Check with 'groups'
[00:21] <gretsch> mount: must be superuser to mount volume
[00:21] <gretsch> hmmm.... there *is* no cdrom group!
[00:21] <soundray> There must be
[00:22] <gretsch> haldaemon?
[00:22] <soundray> Can you run 'sudo adduser $USER cdrom'?
[00:22] <gretsch> otherwise, no 'cdrom' group
[00:23] <gretsch> ok
[00:23] <gretsch> tells me i am already a member of cdrom
[00:23] <gretsch> but that group does not show up
[00:23] <soundray> Does not show up where?
[00:24] <gretsch> in the groups list
[00:24] <gretsch> System > Admin > Users and Groups
[00:24] <soundray> 'grep cdrom /etc/group'
[00:25] <gretsch> cdrom:x:24:haldaemon,tom,root,megan
[00:25] <soundray> The dialog  only lists groups where you're not already a member. So that's all fine.
[00:26] <soundray> Do you know your DVD drive device name? /dev/...
[00:26] <gretsch> it's /dev/cdrom
[00:26] <gretsch> that's how i mount it
[00:26] <gretsch> as ... sudo mount /dev/cdrom
[00:26] <soundray> gretsch: what is it *really*? find out with 'ls -l /dev/cdrom'?
[00:27] <gretsch> scd0
[00:27] <gretsch> all rwx
[00:27] <gretsch> btw
[00:27] <soundray> What does 'ls -l /dev/scd0' say?
[00:27] <soundray> Symbolic links are always all-rwx
[00:27] <gretsch> ah ha
[00:27] <gretsch> that's the issue
[00:28] <gretsch> brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 11, 0 2008-03-10 06:33 /dev/scd0
[00:28] <gretsch> need chmod 777?
[00:28] <soundray> no, that's what it should be
[00:28] <gretsch> damn
[00:28] <gretsch> lol
[00:29] <gretsch> well, i can certainly just mount it as sudo and then use it
[00:29] <gretsch> and then umount when finished
[00:29] <soundray> You could add a 'users' option for the fstab entry, then you can 'mount /dev/cdrom' as user
[00:29] <gretsch> but i thought there must be an ok
[00:29] <gretsch> ok
[00:30] <soundray> Sorry I didn't have a _real_ fix for you
[00:30] <gretsch> what's that file path?
[00:31] <soundray> /etc/fstab
[00:31] <gretsch> ok its open in gedit
[00:31] <gretsch> as sudo
[00:31] <soundray> Mine says
[00:31] <soundray> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[00:31] <gretsch> mine too
[00:32] <soundray> So you should be able to 'mount /media/cdrom0' or 'mount /dev/scd0' as user
[00:32] <soundray> btw, never open gedit with sudo -- use gksudo instead
[00:32] <soundray> !gksu
[00:32] <ubotwo> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[00:34] <gretsch> i cannot mount as user from the command line
[00:34] <soundray> What does it  say?
[00:34] <gretsch> tom@BigLaptop:~$ mount /dev/cdrom
[00:34] <gretsch> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[00:35] <soundray> Read me carefully -- you must use mount /dev/scd0
[00:35] <soundray> or the mount point, but not the symbolic link
[00:35] <gretsch> same answer
[00:36] <soundray> No typo?
[00:36] <gretsch> tom@BigLaptop:~$ mount /dev/scd0
[00:36] <gretsch> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[00:36] <soundray> How about mount /media/cdrom0 ?
[00:37] <gretsch> same
[00:38] <soundray> It's as if mount was ignoring fstab
[00:38] <gretsch> i am reading that link ubotwo, thanks!
[00:38] <soundray> You didn't create a fat32 or ext3 filesystem on the CD by any chance?
[00:39] <gretsch> hmmm
[00:39] <soundray> The bot appreciates your gratitude
[00:39] <gretsch> lol
[00:39] <gretsch> the old bot
[00:39] <gretsch> i *did* make these DVDs on a windows machine
[00:39] <gretsch> maybe that's an issue?
[00:39] <soundray> Let's see
[00:39] <gretsch> probably fat32
[00:40] <soundray> Do a 'sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 && mount | grep cdrom'
[00:40] <gretsch> got a prompt
[00:41] <soundray> 'mount | grep cdrom' again?
[00:41] <gretsch> root@BigLaptop:~# sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 && mount | grep cdrom'
[00:41] <gretsch> >
[00:41] <soundray> Ctrl-C -- you copied a ' mark by mistake
[00:42] <gretsch> tom@BigLaptop:~$ sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 && mount | grep cdrom
[00:42] <gretsch> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[00:42] <gretsch> /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type udf (ro)
[00:42] <gretsch> and of course it's mounted
[00:43] <soundray> Okay, that explains why it doesn't autoplay: DVDs are normally iso9660 and not udf
[00:43] <gretsch> ok
[00:43] <gretsch> let me grab another disk and try it
[00:43] <gretsch> something commercially made
[00:43] <soundray> But it doesn't explain why it won't mount as user
[00:44] <soundray> Still, better than nothing
[00:45] <gretsch> cannot mount a commercial CD either
[00:45] <gretsch> tom@BigLaptop:~$ sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 && mount | grep cdrom
[00:45] <gretsch> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[00:45] <gretsch> /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro)
[00:45] <gretsch> iso9660 but still not mountable
[00:45] <gretsch> as you said
[00:46] <soundray> But that output says that it does mount
[00:46] <gretsch> because i sudo mounted it
[00:46] <gretsch> yes
[00:47] <gretsch> i meant it won't mount as user from the menu icon
[00:47] <soundray> All right
[00:47] <gretsch> in other words, i did it from the console
[00:48] <soundray> I'm out of ideas now
[00:48] <gretsch> lol
[00:48] <gretsch> well, i guess i have gotten enough practice mounting from the console line
[00:48] <gretsch> thanks for the effort!
[00:49] <soundray> yw
[00:49] <gretsch> nice place to hang out, this channel
[00:49] <gretsch> talk to you later


[01:35] <aid1> autojoin --run
[08:45] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:48] <SuperEngineer> o/
[08:48] <brobostigon> o/
[08:55] <diddledan> moo
[09:02] <brobostigon> meep
[09:12] <diddledan> me-nanana
[09:12] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N_tupPBtWQ
[09:32] <foobarry> did realise how small everything would be on a 14 inch laptop with 1080p resolution
[09:33] <foobarry> turns out my old laptop was perfect
[09:38] <SuperMatt> Just seen that 18.04 now has firefox 59, so I think it's time to do the upgrade :)
[09:40] <foobarry> to budgie ubuntu?
[09:49] <SuperMatt> no, regular ubuntu
[10:00]  * diddledan smuggles some budgies
[10:00] <SuperMatt> please, no
[10:01] <diddledan> aww, you're no fun :-(
[10:02] <diddledan> well that wasn't what I expected when I read the subject of the email: "Meet the Elite team"..
[10:03] <diddledan> was an email about sky showing a new series called "Seal Team" about specops
[10:03] <diddledan> I expected some kind of thing about Elite Dangerous
[10:03] <diddledan> the space trading/shooter thing
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> now that's a geek :-D
[10:06] <diddledan> apparently amazon are doing a sale
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think with the rise of twitch that main stream tv would see a market for a tv show about gaming. some of the ones in the 80s were good
[10:07] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: http://kck.st/2FlN5G4
[12:31] <SuperMatt> actually, I've just installed Ubuntu Budgie 18.04 in a vm, and it's pretty nice
[14:51] <diddledan> SuperMatt: you smuggled that past us well
[15:24] <SuperMatt> ¬.¬
[17:21] <brobostigon> beware of the leopard, http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/cat.html#cat-leopard :)
[17:23] <diddledan> are you getting bestial?
[17:24] <brobostigon> :)
[17:24] <diddledan> felinophilia
[17:24] <brobostigon> I am doing research for the game i am designing, for the players to face.
[17:24] <diddledan> aha
[17:25] <brobostigon> the monsters for them to face.
[17:26] <brobostigon> an maybe the odd arrow trap. lol no, your not writing an indiana jones film.
[17:26] <diddledan> someone I worked with runs a character sheet site: https://www.dyslexic-charactersheets.com/
[17:26] <brobostigon> i have seen that a few times, i am impressed.
[17:26] <brobostigon> amazing bit of work.
[17:27] <brobostigon> infact i got the sheet for my bard from it, :)
[17:53] <diddledan> the robot uprising has begun: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/uber-driverless-fatality.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
[18:41] <diddledan> "and now for something completely different": https://petapixel.com/2018/02/12/picture-single-atom-wins-science-photo-contest/
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> and the atom is cursing as it blinked when it's passport pic was been taken... :-)
[20:07] <daftykins> xD
[21:15] <daftykins> lady today: "do you know what i need to get some files off these?" https://i.imgur.com/ILDYofc.jpg
[21:16] <daftykins> they're older than me!
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> sony discs of that era.... ::ponders:: they'd be readable if kept in a heated location and not fecked in frozen attic/garage...
[21:23] <daftykins> i do have a drive still... but actually, do i want to go down that rabbit hole...
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> only quater of a century old... :-)
[21:24] <daftykins> i kinda wish i were still 25 :P
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> when i started my boss was salvaging data off 20 year old 5.25" discs with 180k capacity iirc
[21:25] <daftykins> :D
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> but super advanced... you could take them out flip them over and write on the other side... :-)
[21:26] <daftykins> i was just then trying to work out if it really meant that
[21:26] <daftykins> er with these ones i mean
[21:27] <zmoylan-pi> well the cpm computers that used them had 64k ram.  and that contained word processor, spreadsheet, database, basic and networked os when it booted...
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> one machine would have floppy or hard disk and would boot, then the next would boot and the next in turn till they had all started... twas a sight to see...
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> all pulling the os off the first system
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> diskless booting. super modern
[21:29] <daftykins> :>
[21:30] <daftykins> the acorns at my secondary school would be arranged in a bank of about 6 per room side, with the main one (they always curiously chose the oldest model) hooked up to an external SCSI HDD which shared data to the rest
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> ah... scsi... have you terminated your hard drive chain properly? :-)
[21:33] <daftykins> your name was mud if you chose the disk host machine to work from, snoozfest all lesson
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> someone is going to release a 100tb ssd drive... funny, not seeing a price... probably wouldn't fit in the rss article... :-P
[22:47] <diddledan> I archived a load of 5.25 inchers a year or so ago
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> i remember around 2000 been ordered to hunt down and dispose of all 5.25" floppy drives and dump them
[22:48] <diddledan> :-o
[22:49] <diddledan> nooooo
[22:49] <diddledan> they're still usable!
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> the very next day a customer came in with disks needing to be read...
[22:49] <diddledan> haaa haaa
[22:49] <daftykins> diddledan: no! let them go!
[22:50] <daftykins> fancy not keeping just the one... ;D
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> of course i had hidden 3 drives in mini towers behind blanking plates were no one would spot them...
[22:50] <diddledan> sneaky get
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> darn tootin'
[22:50] <daftykins> xD
[22:51] <daftykins> did you do a Blue Peter reveal?
[22:51] <diddledan> here's one I stashed earlier
[22:52] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: i might've asked you this one already, but several moons have definitely passed since... my old man maintains that 'font' refers to the size of text and only 'typeface' its' style, sound right?
[22:52] <zmoylan-pi> well windows showed floppy drives even when not installed so no one would notice their pc had extra drive :-)
[22:52] <diddledan> apparently all thoae BP builds were invented by a lil old lady in the middle of nowhere. she'd come up with the concepts herself, build various stages, and ship it all to the studio
[22:52] <diddledan> .. along with detailed instructions
[22:53] <daftykins> BP builds?
[22:53] <diddledan> bloo peter
[22:53] <daftykins> ooooh
[22:53] <daftykins> sheesh can you tell i'm knackered xD
[22:53] <diddledan> :-p
[22:54] <diddledan> not sleepy time for another 4-5 hours yet!
[22:54] <daftykins> i had to fight an iMac today, i am slain
[22:54] <diddledan> ee gads
[22:54] <zmoylan-pi> the usage of the word has been mangalised for so long that both are correct.  but originally font was a size, style and weight when used in printing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font
[22:55] <daftykins> since when do 10.12 and 10.13 installers not even see a disk if it has no partition table? so rude
[22:55] <daftykins> Linux had to save the day as usual
[22:55] <diddledan> mangalised? is that "turned into a manga"?
[22:55] <daftykins> xD
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> put into a hand mangle and mangalised... used to squeeze water out of wet cloting in laundry process...
[22:56] <diddledan> yeah, macos installers with no partition table you need to select "disk utility", possibly out of the top menubar, to prepare the disk
[22:56] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: aww i was probing the vast zmoylan database, not wikipedia by proxy ;)
[22:56] <daftykins> diddledan: i did but DU didn't see a disk at all beyond the flash drive itself
[22:57] <diddledan> hmm, not seen that one
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> well when we were thought fonts in the late 80s we were thought the original variant but warned that silly computers and printers were wrong in how they used the word
[22:57] <daftykins> i had to boot a *buntu and create GPT with an unformatted partition, then it saw it - and then it failed claiming the firmware couldn't be verified :|
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> back when setting up a printer meant breaking out a bic pen, opening the manual and setting a few dip switches :-)
[22:58] <diddledan> I had a fun one at the weekend though. macos managed to rewrite my partition table just wonky enough that the EFI couldn't boot anything (loonicks nor macos) until I futzed with gpt to change the guid on the macos partition from the newly, wrongly, set FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[22:58] <diddledan> this blubber: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/221114/how-to-fix-broken-gpt-guid-and-unmountable-no-type-volumes
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> that's bizarre...
[23:01] <diddledan> I actually used this one I think to get the correct APFS-specific guid: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/307780/macos-partition-startup-volume-type-ffffffff-ffff-ffff-ffff-ffffffffffff
[23:13] <daftykins> diddledan: standards really are slipping
[23:14] <diddledan> aye
[23:15] <daftykins> sheesh though, on plugging the backlight ribbon back into the power supply PCB before closing up the iMac with the new SSD in - the traces on the tip had folded over backwards, much like closing your fingers would appear - meaning that when macOS flash drives booted - the backlight turned off and you couldn't see the screen anymore
[23:15] <daftykins> (hopefully that didn't get chopped off - ended in ...anymore)
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> it feels like slipping back to the days of use the mode command to use assembly to iniate a drive before the os could see it pre ide... :-)
[23:16] <daftykins> :O
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> good old esdi drives... :-)
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> or rll
[23:16] <daftykins> diddledan: so can you PM me your phone # to pass onto these folks for the floppy recovery ;)
[23:17] <diddledan> lol
[23:17] <daftykins> "hi i have some floppy di..." *click*
[23:17] <zmoylan-pi> give them a compass and a magnifying glass and let them get at it... :-)
[23:39] <daftykins> :D


[07:57] <alkisg> stgraber: Hi, I just pushed /usr/sbin/ltsp-config and I'm ready to start testing, debugging etc, would you have any packaging ready before the weekend, or should I test with my own local debian/ dir?
[10:42] <bencer> stgraber: micahg has already created the lp team https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-zentyal-dev, you can proceed with the packageset when you have time
[13:07] <paul83> I noticed that the smbldaptools is missing the configure.pl file in the usr/share/doc/smbldap-tools is this is know bug
[13:17] <stgraber> bencer: it was done a minute after micahg created the team
[14:30] <highvoltage> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2012-May/003816.html
[14:58] <highvoltage> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2012-May/003817.html
[14:59] <highvoltage> stgraber: so are you setting up the zentyal package set?
[15:00] <highvoltage> (I vaguely read something about that before but can't remember the details)
[15:02] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/zentyal
[15:03] <highvoltage> cool.
[15:50] <kleewyck> I have a ltsp server running Ubuntu 11.10 and my clients seem to work just fine. When update to 12.04 I have no audio on my clients. Anyone had this issue?
[18:15] <cog> :3
[18:16] <alkisg> :4


[19:32] <juangh> hello there folks...i need your help
[19:33] <juangh> i have my ubuntu studio, with 18.04 version, since april, ;-)...
[19:34] <juangh> and today i bought a wacom tablet...exaclty One by Wacom CTL-672
[19:35] <juangh> i am looking for a few hours the way to make it work...
[19:35] <juangh> someone have experience in this area?
[19:36] <juangh> i don't wanna leave my Ubuntu Studio for any other distro, and less windows...
[19:41] <mrz80> First thing is, when you plug it in does the computer recognize its existence?  Plug it in, then in a terminal window do an lsusb and see if it shows up
[19:42] <OvenWerks> hey like stick around a bit...
[19:45] <mrz80> <--- is having the time of his life working on his TSO-esque carol mashup
[19:46] <mrz80> It's really nice to be able to highlight a chunk of music, push play, and hear what it's proably gonna sound like. :D
[19:47] <OvenWerks> Ears are one of the best tools in audio  :)
[19:51] <mrz80> I just hope I'll have the personnel for all these parts come Christmas time! :)
[19:51] <juangh> hello there mrz80
[19:51] <juangh> greetings
[19:52] <mrz80> howdy
[19:52] <juangh> i am testing other way...
[19:52] <juangh> https://www.davidrevoy.com/article331/setup-huion-giano-wh1409-tablet-on-linux-mint-18-1-ubuntu-16-04
[19:52] <juangh> testing it
[19:52] <juangh> yes, it is shown in lsusb list
[19:52] <juangh> and when i type hwinfo too
[19:53] <juangh> and now, following this tutorial when i type xsetwacom --list it is show too
[19:53] <mrz80> https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxwacom/  <--- check out this resource:  The Linux Wacom Tablet Project .
[19:53] <mrz80> If you're hitting any bumps in the road, I suspect this would be a good place to post queries and check for solutions
[19:55] <juangh> yes, yes, that is the main documentation place, but there are no answer for my actual problem...
[19:55] <juangh> there is an report, but it have not answer, yet
[20:02] <juangh> this is the product...
[20:02] <juangh> i am feeling sad
[20:02] <juangh> https://www.wacom.com/en-cn/products/pen-tablets/one-by-wacom


[17:15] <chris_uk[m]> Greetings. As reported last week, on US 20.04, Studio Controls is not executing on my system. No Jack is available in Audacity or in the systray audio options. Still have sound from Pulse Audio though. Grateful for any advice. Thanks.


[12:07] <bac> benji, frankban, gmb: hangout at :10?
[12:07] <benji> bac: sounds good
[12:07] <frankban> bac: ok
[12:08]  * bac conjures up hangout
[12:10] <bac> i've invited you all but i cannot find the URL
[14:18] <frankban> benji: could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/bug-993510/+merge/107630
[14:18] <frankban> ?
[14:18] <benji> frankban: sure
[14:23] <frankban> thanks benji
[15:14] <bac> hey benji could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/repeats/+merge/107651
[15:14] <benji> bac: sure
[15:39] <benji> bac: I had some questions/suggestions on https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/launchpad/repeats/+merge/107651
[15:41] <bac> thanks benji
[15:41] <benji> np
[15:47] <frankban> benji: thanks for your review, I've just added a test for that, as you suggested. could you please re-review this change. I have to go now, but I will be back later to land this branch if approved.
[15:47] <benji> frankban: cool, will do
[16:08] <bac> thanks benji.  look again?
[16:08] <benji> bac: sure
[16:15] <benji> bac:  were the .testr.conf changes in there before?
[16:16] <bac> gah!
[16:16] <bac> i'll back them out
[16:16] <benji> cool
[16:18] <bac> benji: backed out.  is the rest ok?
[17:24] <bac> frankban: please ping me when you move your card out of the lane.
[17:24] <benji> bac: sorry, I was eating lunch, but you probably saw the email
[17:24] <bac> yeah, thanks
[19:24] <bac> benji: darn, lifeless didn't like the test duplication fix.  i was able to kill ec2 before it landed.
[19:24] <bac> benji: could you review the one line MP i have up now?
[19:24] <benji> bac: I was just reading his message.  I can't say that I agree with his diagnosis.
[19:24] <benji> bac: sure
[19:26] <benji> bac: approved
[19:27] <bac> benji: well, i figure you either have to handle dupes or prevent dupes.  if he feels strongly prevention is best for testr then i'm swayable.
[19:29] <benji> I don't really have a dog in the fight.  If we hadn't already forked and monkeypatched the testrunner then it would be worse.  Although I can't say that making a bad situation worse is a good thing to do.


[10:30] <wolfger> <taps mic> Hello? :-)
[10:47] <Scary_Guy> Hey
[10:49] <wolfger> Finally back to running some form of Linux again, so I thought I'd drop on by
[10:49] <Scary_Guy> Awesome, welcome back
[10:49] <wolfger> Now I just need to figure out if my problems are linux problems or crappy hardware problems LOL
[10:50] <Scary_Guy> Try another OS, maybe a live distro on a USB stick.  Or multiple with Ventoy
[10:51] <wolfger> Fresh install of Kubuntu, and the thing I'm immediately lacking is any sort of dashboard. No indicator of network connectivity, or even a damn clock
[10:51] <wolfger> but I think my actual problem is a wonking wifi adapter on the desktop
[10:51] <wolfger> wonky*
[10:52] <Scary_Guy> Hmm
[10:53] <wolfger> Everything was going good at first, but then Discord started working in fits and spurts.  But then I lost connection to all internet things across the board, so idk
[13:58] <cmaloney> howdy, stranger


[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:28] <ahoneybun[m]> mmikowski you seem to have gotten Wi-Fi 6E to work on Linux? Does it actually connect to a 6E router and work?
[19:36] <dm2912> Hello everyone - HFChat and DU are going to make a way for chatters to have a recurring subscription to help support the site. They're looking for incentives that would encourage chatters to subscribe! Send them an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>It will be launching soon. Ideas submitted before 2/28 will enter you into a raffle to win one free month. The site will still be free.
[19:37] <arraybolt3> dm2912: Sorry, but this is considered spam here and is unwelcome.
[19:40] <dm2912> arraybolt3: oh my god, that was not meant to happen
[19:40] <dm2912> that was posted on a totally different server
[19:40] <arraybolt3> lol, I've done similar stuff before. No problem.
[19:43] <dm2912> im a mod on a health site and we got asked to do /amsg from time to time. .had no idea it would spam every server i was logged into lol
[19:46] <arraybolt3> Pretty sure all of us have made similar boffos. IRC likes making errors easy :P
[19:46] <arraybolt3> I haven't managed to accidentally post my password though. Yet.
[19:50] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m]: I haven't tested that. I can ask around.
[19:51] <ahoneybun[m]> mmikowski I would test that before releasing it ;)
[19:54] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m]: Are you seeing issue? I don't think my router supports 6E.
[19:55] <mmikowski> bbiab
[19:55] <ahoneybun[m]> The pang12 that we started shipping is rated for Wi-Fi 6 with a 6E card and it sees the networks but it does not connect.
[19:55] <ahoneybun[m]> I believe Intel cards (the pang12 has a Mediatek one) should work,
[19:55] <ahoneybun[m]> Like the AX211.
[19:59] <mmikowski> We think we are shipping only intel cards. AX2xx's.
[19:59] <mmikowski> So we might get lucky there.
[20:00] <mmikowski> However, we did find that a power save mode is being set by default on battery, which might cause dropouts.
[20:01] <mmikowski> ahoneybun[m]: see /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[20:03] <mmikowski> One customer saw the connection dropping with the default setting. Haven't confirmed that is it yet. But changing it from default along with modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=8 apparently fixed it. We haven't investigated further .
[20:04] <mmikowski> Many others have no problems, so it's just a research ticket for now.
[20:08] <ahoneybun[m]> We have steps about that change too: https://support.system76.com/articles/wireless#antenna-aggregation
[20:10] <mmikowski> Ah, thanks! That's helpful. I was going to mention the IPv6 disable, but that's already there too :)
[20:16] <ahoneybun[m]> Yep!


[02:09] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. "little" cups problem .. I recently tried to access my server via http://<IP_ADDRESS>:631 and it got me to the cups front page, but I can not add printer or anything administrator related with out an Error 403 page .. help? The /etc/cupsd/cupsd.conf page doesn't have /admin on it like the standard page .. How can I allow this computer access to my server's cups screen?
[02:16] <Ries> NineTeen67Comet: if you try this from your localhost... is it then possible? 8
[02:19] <NineTeen67Comet> It's a headless server, so no I can not use localhost .. that is what's killing me .. that and there is no /admin section on Ubuntu's /etc/cupsd/cupsd.conf file .. I'm reading a Debian.gz file now that has some examples though ..
[02:21] <Ries> NineTeen67Comet: then checkout Cups access rights system... I know localhost is enabled by default, anything else needs to be configurated
[02:22] <Ries> NineTeen67Comet: one hint... you can install vnc on the machine to get a esktop...
[02:22] <NineTeen67Comet> WooHoo .. got it working .. well, I am in "add a printer" at least .. lol
[02:22] <NineTeen67Comet> VNC is awesome, but there is no x-server on my server .. it's strictly LAMP / SAMBA / CUPS ..
[02:24] <Ries> NineTeen67Comet: then indeed you need to configure it by hand... it's not to differcult from what I remember
[02:24] <NineTeen67Comet> Naw, looks like it's all going to be fine .. Just had to RTFM a little better on my part ..
[02:28] <NineTeen67Comet> Thank you for your time Ries .. much appriciated ..
[03:52] <jimcooncat> I upgraded a small sarge install to dapper, is there a package for all the tools that would come with a server install: ubuntu-minimal?


[00:42] <designatedqueen> is ubuntu a 64 bit OS?
[00:43] <patdk-lap> if you want it to be, sure
[00:43] <designatedqueen> ok cool
[00:44] <designatedqueen> ubuntu is free right, hence its popularity
[00:44] <designatedqueen> im looking into building my own computer and/or server in the next few years
[00:44] <patdk-lap> next few years?
[00:45] <designatedqueen> well... maybe in even 5 years time
[00:45] <designatedqueen> all depends how things go
[00:45] <designatedqueen> im waiting for GPU's to increase in their FLOP rates, up to teraflops i think, quite a few of them
[00:46] <designatedqueen> which im guessing will come with successive die shrinks
[00:47] <designatedqueen> so yeh.. im looking at 5 or so years when chips are made on 10-11nm scale, adding on a year or so for prices to drop too
[00:49] <designatedqueen> does that sound weird or no?
[00:49] <designatedqueen> i want to utilise nvidias CUDA or somethign similar for simulations and such
[00:50] <designatedqueen> anyway.. im guessing ill be using a linux based OS to save on cash, and plus it offers more flexibility im guessing
[00:52] <designatedqueen> so yeh, my plan was to build a mini supercomputer type thing around 2016-18 or so, but then i realised i might want to host my own website and so i will look into building a server too because by todays bandwidth in the UK, we can get 100mbps fibre optic but in a few years im guessing that up to 1gbps will be available
[00:53] <designatedqueen> Oh and also im waiting for hard disk space to increase up to the 10s of Tb's
[00:55] <designatedqueen> lordy sorry, not like anyone is talking
[00:57] <designatedqueen> welcome back tightwork, i wont flood anymore
[00:59] <yetisarehere> how does ubuntu have so many of its future versions already named out to the year 2017?
[01:00] <yetisarehere> oh my bad, thats the date it is supported until
[01:02] <yetisarehere> ill be back one day, knowing everything about ubuntu, you'll see
[02:00] <strickly> angelabad in da HOUSE
[02:05] <pythonirc101> I've  a machine with 3 users, out of which one used to be in sudoers list-- for some reason , or maybe I forgot, I can't sudo into root anymore...and seems like ssh root@localhost is barred
[02:06] <pythonirc101> any ideas if I can fix this?
[02:53] <Resistance> how can i force the use of an lesser-version-numbered package if a higher-version-number exists already on the system, without uninstalling the package
[05:08] <Resistance> never got an answer, so i'll re-ask.  how can i force the use of an lesser-version-numbered package if a higher-version-number exists already on the system, without uninstalling the package
[05:11] <andol> Resistance: Want to have the newer version installed in parallel, or simply be able to downgrade without having the uninstall/remove be a separate step?
[05:12] <Resistance> andol:  they're the same program, same version, just slightly different numbering because one's a fork of the original debian package
[05:13] <Resistance> andol:  i need the newer version to be purged, but without the interruption of the program
[05:13] <Resistance> downgrading directly would work better
[05:13] <Resistance> without having uninstall/remove as an option
[05:14] <andol> Well, not sure if there is a better way, but I have had luck calling "dpkg -i" directly on the deb package in question. In case there are multipe deb files all having to be of the same version you might have to list all those files as arguments to the same dpkg -i run.
[05:35] <Resistance> andol:  i think i figured it out...
[05:36] <Resistance> the newer version only exists because its installed... by me doing: aptitude install <package>=<version> repeatedly, for each package and version, it should fix it all.
[05:37] <andol> Good to hear.
[08:23] <Techdude101> squid acl .# is a subdomain of .# (Using HOSTS acl)
[13:33] <Tm_T> I need to setup a server for vmware virtual machines, but looks like vmware server doesn't install on 10.04, any ideas?
[13:37] <Tm_T> ah, always good to ask on IRC, as that's when you find solution: http://hmontoliu.blogspot.com/2010/04/installing-vmware-server-202-in-ubuntu.html
[13:45] <cwillu_at_work> Tm_T, rubber ducky, you're the one
[13:46] <cwillu_at_work> (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RubberDucking)
[13:46] <Tm_T> cwillu_at_work: indeed
[14:36] <_ruben> Tm_T: vmware server has been eol for ages now though
[14:56] <Tm_T> _ruben: aware of that but thanks (:
[14:57] <cwillu_at_work> _ruben, isn't that why we have vm's?  to run unsupported software when necessary? :)
[14:58] <_ruben> cwillu_at_work: perhaps you do, it surely isn't the reason why we do virtualization :)
[16:01] <pythonirc101> How do I keep an ssh tunnel alive ? I do have "TCPKeepAlive yes" but it seems to die in a few minutes of inactivity.
[16:20] <patdk-lap> ssh tunnels don't die, unless you close them
[16:20] <patdk-lap> most likely it's your routers nat timeout
[16:20] <SpamapS> patdk-lap: TCPKeepAlive's usually work to keep the nat alive too tho
[16:21] <SpamapS> pythonirc101: perhaps your router's nat timeout is very low
[16:21] <patdk-lap> only if the other params for it are adjusted correctly for his nat timeout
[16:26] <magicblaze007> I want the user to be not able to login, but be able to create tunnels. How can I do this? I am trying to use "bash -r". Is there anything better i can use?
[16:27] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: you can assign a specific command to a particular key in the user's authorized_keys file
[16:28] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: Do you know if ssh uses the shell when creating a tunnel?
[16:29] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: if not i'd like to disable shell logins- was looking at bash -r
[16:29] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: no, the shell is only run when there's no set command, and the user has requested a tty
[16:29] <magicblaze007> perfect, so how do i tell a login, that it can never get a shell?
[16:30] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys , for the user's key, you set command="..."
[16:30] <magicblaze007> I was reading this -- http://linux1.ca/docs/restricted_env.shtml -- which is more about restricting public ssh accounts...not completely stopping logins.
[16:31] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: if you want to let users bounce off you, why not try openvpn instead?
[16:31] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: its a headache to setup and maintain?
[16:32] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: actually you can do 'ForceCommand' in sshd_config also
[16:32] <magicblaze007> + I've to install client installers...whereas in ssh, i can use a ssh library in my code.
[16:32] <patdk-lap> headache to setup and maintain?
[16:32] <SpamapS> yeah
[16:32] <patdk-lap> takes like 30min to setup
[16:32] <SpamapS> openvpn is crazy simple
[16:32] <patdk-lap> and like 0 matintaince
[16:32] <magicblaze007> patdk-lap: its not the server -- its the client i'm talking about
[16:32] <patdk-lap> heh?
[16:33] <magicblaze007> I'm coding in python, and dont like executing external commands-- do you know of a python client for openvpn?
[16:33] <patdk-lap> what is there to maintain on a client?
[16:33] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: they're peers.
[16:33] <magicblaze007> the only problem i've with openvpn is my client code.
[16:34] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: yeah I can understand that.
[16:34] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: what about just using SSL + stunnel?
[16:35] <magicblaze007> never looked at stunnel
[16:35] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: its pretty simple, a lot simpler than sshd
[16:36] <magicblaze007> is it better to use that compared to doing a "ssh -R"? Right now i'm doing a reverse proxy
[16:36] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: -R would require you to allocate a port randomly on the server woudln't it?
[16:36] <magicblaze007> what does the client need? In my case the client only needed an equivalent of "ssh -R"
[16:37] <magicblaze007> I'm using a script on the client to post its public key to the server, and get back a port number right now
[16:37] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: how are you posting that? via clear HTTP?
[16:37] <magicblaze007> yes
[16:38] <magicblaze007> if someone else uses that port, i just pick another one
[16:39] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: how does one do reverse proxying using stunnel?
[16:39] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: you realize you lose all the security of SSH then... somebody else might be man-in-the-middle and posting their own key.
[16:40] <jamiemill> Hi - having an apache mod_rewrite problem: requesting an image which should be served directly but is instead failing RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f and being passed through to PHP. Any idea why - see rewrite log and vhost conf here: https://gist.github.com/9a83ad3155ee521d44c5
[16:40] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: you really should use SSL for both bits here
[16:40] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: SSL would be very easy in python as well.
[16:41] <jamiemill> or I should say *passing RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f when it should fail. the file does exist.
[16:41] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: how so? I've two levels of encryption -- useless but there -- IIS --> https --> ssh tunnel --> client -- even if the ssh keys are taken, the https keys encrypt everything, isnt it?
[16:42] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: indeed, but what i dont know is how to patch the https server on the client, make it talk to in python using ssl -- then patch it thru to stunnel
[16:43] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: In case of ssh -- its just ssh -R port :  xx : port
[16:45] <SpamapS> jamiemill: Do you have other RewriteCond's before that? the first one that matches usually drops through to the rule IIRC.. but its been a while since I did deep rewrite-fu
[16:46] <jamiemill> SpamapS: no there's nothing more than in that gist linked above
[16:46] <SpamapS> magicblaze007: right but ssh is designed to have user sessions. You don't really need that. you just want an authenticated tunnel
[16:47] <patdk-lap> If I remember right, rewritebase only works in .htaccess
[16:47] <patdk-lap> and you need to put your rewrites inside a location section, to do the same type thing in a config file
[16:47] <SpamapS> patdk-lap: +1 , that sounds right to me as well
[16:47] <patdk-lap> but then, I normally solve it via trial and error :)
[16:48] <jamiemill> patdk-lap whoops you're right that was just a failed experiment, it's not actually in there
[16:49] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: if i use ssh for this compared to stunnel, how much speed/efficiency am i loosing?
[16:50] <magicblaze007> SpamapS: Also, usually is stunnel an executable client that creates the port forwards?
[16:51] <patdk-lap> stunnel is just opens a tcp tunnel, is all, an SSL encrypted tcp tunnel
[16:54] <magicblaze007> ah ok
[16:54] <magicblaze007> doesnt ssh -R doesnt do the same thing...?
[16:55] <jamiemill> I solved my problem with thanks to #httpd - i had put the rewrite statements outside a directory block in my vhost config and so they don't work without a %{DOCUMENT_ROOT} being prepended on the URI
[17:01] <magicblaze007> is there a problem in setting authorized_keys of a login to have these settings: -rw-rw-r-- 1 mytunnel www-data      0 2012-01-02 10:55 authorized_keys ?
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> magicblaze007, ssh -R opens up a secure tunnel for arbitrary ssh channels, one of which is a port forward somewhat similar to stunnel in security properties
[17:02] <cwillu_at_work> magicblaze007, yes, they need to be -rw--r--r--
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> and the .ssh folder needs to be rwx------ or stricter
[17:03] <magicblaze007> the problem is that i've to add/delete keys from the web to this file
[17:03] <magicblaze007> from another account
[17:03] <magicblaze007> hence the group access...
[17:05] <magicblaze007> if a file belongs to user:group and the user is not in the group -- and both of them have read/write accesss -- unless someone is on my machine already as that group -- can they create trouble?
[17:06] <cwillu_at_work> you should really treat www-data as an insecure account
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> "the problem is that i've to add/delete keys from the web to this file" is something I would tread very carefully around
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., find some other way of doing it :p
[17:09] <cwillu_at_work> you could probably have it owned by the user you want to modify it though, with read access for the group
[17:09] <cwillu_at_work> (I'd still tend to avoid that sort of thing though
[17:11] <cwillu_at_work> I have a similar issue with the common way of setting up ftp servers and mail servers:  I'm deeply uncomfortable creating system accounts for agents which have no reason to log into the system
[17:13] <cwillu_at_work> (and the infrastructure required to switch effective users is quite error-prone)
[17:20] <mgw> any cobbler pros here today?
[17:20] <mgw> I'm trying to figure out where $iface.filename comes from (used in dhcp.template)
[17:26] <SpamapS> mgw: is dhcp.template a pre-seed or a kickstart snippet?
[17:26] <SpamapS> mgw: oh wait, n/m .. thats for generating the dhcpd configs
[17:26] <mgw> yes
[17:26] <mgw> it's in /etc/cobbler
[17:26] <SpamapS> mgw: right, that stuff all is deeply embedded in code.
[17:27] <mgw> it's putting this in dhcpd.conf:             filename "gpxe/menu.gpxe";
[17:27] <mgw> but should be putting pxelinux.0
[17:28] <mgw> I have this in settings
[17:28] <mgw> # cobbler uses pxe booting by default, enable this option if you want to
[17:28] <mgw> # use gpxe
[17:28] <mgw> use_gpxe: 0
[17:28] <SpamapS> mgw: yeah maybe thats being overridden in some profile
[17:29] <mgw> that's my thought, but I can't even find where to set it in the profile
[17:29] <mgw> (in fact it does have the gpxe stuff in the json profile)
[17:30] <mgw> for the system, that is
[17:32] <mgw> "filename": "gpxe/menu.gpxe",
[17:47] <mgw> spamaps : any ideas by chance?
[17:47] <Binsh> Hey guise. Im having trouble connecting to postgresql. Ive tried opening the port(5432) in iptables and in ufw, but nothing seems to work. Im not shure how to config iptables, but ufw seems okay. Does iptables "override" ufw, so my ufw rules wont work?
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> Binsh, back up a couple steps, and define what you mean by having trouble
[17:55] <Binsh> mkay
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> you can connect via loopback?
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> and do things work correctly with the firewall disabled?
[17:56] <cwillu_at_work> (typically one would do these sorts of tests of a machine other than the production machine, and then simply apply the required settings)
[17:56] <Binsh> yeah, i can. when i nmap my server-machine, port 5432 doesn't appear, but it does on loopback
[17:56] <cwillu_at_work> that's moving forward, not backing up
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> is postgres set to listen on a remote port?
[17:57] <Binsh> Yea
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> prove it :p
[17:57] <Binsh> but still, the port should appear as open on nmap?
[17:57] <Binsh> hehe, 2sec
[17:58] <Binsh> listen_addresses = 'localhost,<IP_ADDRESS>'
[17:58] <Binsh> port = 5432
[17:58] <Binsh> in the config file
[17:58] <Binsh> /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/postgresql.conf
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> and from the local machine, can you connect to it at the address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> (and if you just made that change, you've restarted postgresql?)
[17:59] <Binsh> ive restarted the machine multiple times after that change =\
[18:00] <Binsh> and postgresql
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> and you connect to it at the address <IP_ADDRESS>?
[18:00] <Binsh> yeah, im sshing to it
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> (from the local machine)
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> no, I mean postgres
[18:00] <Binsh> no
[18:00] <Binsh> thats my problem ;)
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> even from the machine itself?
[18:00] <Binsh> that works
[18:00] <cwillu_at_work> okay
[18:01] <cwillu_at_work> I believe you want to use only one mechanism or the other to configure your firewall
[18:02] <cwillu_at_work> so if you previously used ufw to set up ssh, then that's what you'll want to configure to make postgres work, for instance
[18:02] <Binsh> Yeah
[18:02] <cwillu_at_work> looked at /etc/ufw/applications.d/?
[18:02] <Binsh> Well, ufw was disabled until 1 hour ago
[18:02] <Binsh> when i knew it existed
[18:02] <Binsh> hehe
[18:03] <Binsh> ssh just worked after installing
[18:03] <cwillu_at_work> and have you looked at /etc/ufw/applications.d/?
[18:03] <Binsh> hmmm
[18:03] <Binsh> looking
[18:03] <Binsh> apache2.2-common  openssh-server  samba
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> sense a theme? :p
[18:04] <Binsh> hehe yeah
[18:04] <Binsh> :P
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> make sure to read "man ufw"
[18:05] <Binsh> yeah, i did, but i couldnt see it mentioning anything about that
[18:05] <Binsh> i skipped down to the "allow" etc. sections
[18:05] <Binsh> hehe
[18:05] <cwillu_at_work> well, at the bottom it said "see also: ufw-framework"
[18:05] <cwillu_at_work> which is also a good one to read
[18:06] <cwillu_at_work> but in essence, I believe you just need to make a new file similar to the contents of an existing one, for postres, and then poke the relevant things
[18:06] <Binsh> Yeah, im trying atm ;)
[18:08] <magicblaze007> cwillu_at_work: thanks
[18:10] <Binsh> cwillu_at_work: hmm, it doesnt seem to work :S
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> did you do anything more than making the file?
[18:11] <Binsh> ahh, i found a typing-error ...
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> when in doubt:  you're doing it wrong :)
[18:11] <Binsh> yeah i restarted ufw oO
[18:11] <Binsh> hehehe
[18:22] <Binsh> cwillu_at_work: okay, now im making some progress here. My rules says that 5432 is allowed, but when i nmap from the local machine, it says its closed :S
[18:23] <Binsh> 5432/tcp closed postgresql
[18:23] <Binsh> [PostgreSQL]
[18:23] <Binsh> title=Postgresql server
[18:23] <Binsh> description=databaseskjit
[18:23] <Binsh> ports=5432/tcp
[18:23] <Binsh> root@ubuntu:/etc/ufw/applications.d# sudo ufw status
[18:23] <Binsh> Status: active
[18:23] <Binsh> To                         Action      From
[18:23] <Binsh> --                         ------      ----
[18:23] <Binsh> 80                         ALLOW       Anywhere
[18:23] <Binsh> 8080                       ALLOW       Anywhere
[18:23] <Binsh> 22                         ALLOW       Anywhere
[18:23] <Binsh> PostgreSQL                 ALLOW       Anywhere
[18:24] <Binsh> this is giving me a headache oO
[18:24] <Binsh> have you got any idea bout whats wrong?
[18:25] <cwillu_at_work> didn't anyone ever teach you to pastebin?
[18:25] <Binsh> nope, but thx for doing that ;)
[18:25]  * cwillu_at_work has his doubts, given that you apparently know what a pastebin is :p
[18:26] <Binsh> Hehe, i use it to post code and stuff to friends, but im not really the most experienced irc user^^
[18:26] <cwillu_at_work> if it's more than two lines, pastebin
[18:26] <Binsh> mkay
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> among other things, it makes it much easier to look at potentially complicated stuff while still talking about it
[18:27] <Binsh> Yeah
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> what does this say: sudo lsof -iTCP -sTCP:LISTEN
[18:29] <Binsh> http://pastebin.com/7zfLugm2
[18:29] <Binsh> here u go
[18:29] <Binsh> 2sec ill have a look
[18:30] <Binsh> http://pastebin.com/2uwxxQ2A
[18:31] <Binsh> hmm strange
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> postgres  1446            postgres    3u  IPv6   4736      0t0  TCP localhost:postgresql (LISTEN)
[18:31] <Binsh> localhost:postgresql
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> postgres  1446            postgres    6u  IPv4   4737      0t0  TCP localhost:postgresql (LISTEN)
[18:31] <Binsh> Yeah
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> restart postgres
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> are there any other interfaces on the machine?
[18:31] <Binsh> eth0, 1 and wlan
[18:31] <Binsh> 0
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> if not, you may save some trouble by just using "*" instead of listing the interfaces
[18:32] <Binsh> eth1 is disabled in bios *
[18:32] <Binsh> wlan is also disabled
[18:39] <Binsh> the listen_addresses in postgresql is whats failing
[18:40] <Binsh> it seems like it dont accept any other alternative than '*'
[18:40] <Binsh> i tried inserting my ip <IP_ADDRESS>, but it wouldnt work ...
[18:41] <Binsh> well, at least now it works, thx for ur time cwillu_at_work ;)
[20:54] <pythonirc101> cwillu_at_work: would you mind testing my ssh public access account and tell me if there is a problem?
[20:54] <pythonirc101> I put my own program as shell. (Which logs the user out automatically)
[20:55] <pythonirc101> sftp/scp doesn't seem to work
[20:56] <mgw> is this the correct installer preseed line to immediately age the ubuntu user?:
[20:56] <mgw> d-i preseed/late_command string chage -d 0 ubuntu
[21:39] <aarcane_> When using KVM/QEMU on ubuntu server, can I in any way control the order in which machines boot after system boot?
[21:40] <aarcane_> Because of memory ballooning, I have a handful of machines which I want to boot in sequence, instead of parallel.
[21:42] <StevenR> aarcane_: have a look at the startup script, see what it does. It might do them in alphabetical order or something
[21:56] <cwillu_at_work> pythonirc101, you should probably do some reading on what behaviours ssh supports :p
[21:56] <cwillu_at_work> (be right with you)
[22:00] <cwillu_at_work> back
[22:01] <cwillu_at_work> whois pythonirc101
[22:04] <qman__> pythonirc101, sftp requires a legit shell to work
[22:04] <cwillu_at_work> qman__, sftp uses a completely separate subsystem, independent of the shell iirc
[22:04] <qman__> for that reason, /usr/sbin/nologin exists
[22:05] <qman__> I don't know at a technical level why it requires one, but it does
[22:05] <qman__> you can trust me on that one
[22:06] <qman__> if you set the shell to /bin/false or something that isn't a shell, it won't let you SFTP
[22:08] <pythonirc101> qman__: I wrote my own shell in python , that kicks the user out
[22:09] <patdk-lap> how evil
[22:09] <qman__> that's my point, it's probably not doing whatever it is that /usr/sbin/nologin does to make SFTP happy
[22:09] <pythonirc101> cwillu_at_work: I did read ssh as much as I could + port forwarding
[22:09] <patdk-lap> you need to allow execution of sftp from the shell script
[22:09] <pythonirc101> qman__: it doesn't let sftp work...i tried that...
[22:09] <qman__> I also learned while setting up jailkit (before openssh had jailing built in) that it requires a minimal environment too
[22:10] <patdk-lap> I run sftp after sanity checks, and print a messaging saying shell access disabled, sftp only
[22:10] <pythonirc101> qman__: I like nologin better -- just changed to that
[22:11] <pythonirc101> how else can I check for problems in an open ssh login?
[22:11] <qman__> there's probably a way to start sshd with more verbose logging
[22:14] <cwillu_at_work> qman__, the shell requirement will be in /etc/pam.d/sshd or something referenced therein
[22:16] <cwillu_at_work> at least, I think :p
[23:13] <pythonirc101> what kind of a key is this -- http://paste.pocoo.org/show/529050/ ? Can this be used instead of ssh id_rsa.pub/id_rsa for logins?
[23:14] <Resistance> i think that's a certificate key
[23:14] <Resistance> so no
[23:15] <pythonirc101> Resistance: what's the difference between certificate keys and the ones ssh id_rsa type?
[23:15] <Resistance> pythonirc101:  different encryption technologies, different formats
[23:15] <Resistance> pythonirc101:  just generate an SSH key
[23:15] <Resistance> its easy
[23:16] <Resistance> also, a certificate key decrypts the info in a certificate
[23:16] <Resistance> an SSH key doesnt decrypt anything, but works as an identifier
[23:18] <pythonirc101> Resistance: I've to do it from python
[23:18] <Resistance> you have to create an SSH key from python?
[23:19] <pythonirc101> yes
[23:19] <Resistance> why the heck would you need to do that?
[23:19] <Resistance> python doesnt have that capability
[23:19] <pythonirc101> because my application is written in python
[23:19] <Resistance> your application doesnt need an SSH key if its sitting at the server
[23:19] <Resistance> your client does to ssh in though
[23:19] <pythonirc101> my app is a client
[23:19] <Resistance> Python doesnt have SSH key compatibility, to my knowledge
[23:19] <Resistance> i'd ask around in the python channel
[23:23] <pythonirc101> k
[23:24] <jamiemill> Could do with some help brainstorming somthing here. I have set up a new Ubuntu 11 server with apache/php, and compared to my Ubuntu 10 LTS server (both on AWS EC2), benchmarking a phpinfo() page is 3-4x slower on the new server. Any idea why or how I might find the cause?
[23:25] <jamiemill> a real site is also slower, but I'm using the phpinfo page to cut my site out of the equation for comparison
[23:29] <patdk-lap> you sure both ec2 machines are the same?
[23:29] <patdk-lap> did you benchmark them otherwise, than just php?
[23:30] <patdk-lap> ec2 is a pretty random source to *expect* a certain speed
[23:30] <jamiemill> patdk-lap: they are both m1.large instances. The new one I configured via chef, whereas the old one was not. But I have coped the exact php.ini and apache.conf files over from the old server to make sure the config is the same.
[23:31] <patdk-lap> well, first, make sure both have the same exact php plugins enabled
[23:31] <patdk-lap> second, try benchmarking the two machine, WITHOUT USING PHP/APACHE as a socalled test
[23:31] <jamiemill> patdk-lap: I just benchmarked a plain html file and it seems the new server is actually *faster* in this case. so must be php-related
[23:32] <patdk-lap> ec2 is nice and all, but it's a shared resource, your performance on it could be different from moment to moment :(
[23:33] <jamiemill> patdk-lap: hmm yes I understand but I have spun up quite a new instance since yesterday and all day it has been consistently the same amount slower
[23:34] <jamiemill> patdk-lap: are you suggesting benchmarking the machines CPU somehow?
[23:35] <patdk-lap> dunno, I wouldn't know where the slowness would be
[23:35] <patdk-lap> cpu, disk
[23:35] <patdk-lap> it could be php
[23:35] <patdk-lap> I know for me, enabling the php snmp module slows thing down by a few seconds
[23:37] <jamiemill> patdk-lap: hmm - the new server has less modules enabled. in fact snmp is on the old (faster) server.


[07:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[07:56] <InHisName> morning, JonathanD
[07:57]  * InHisName waddles off to 3rd nap
[07:57] <JonathanD> Hey InHisName
[07:57] <InHisName> Hey is for horses?
[07:58] <JonathanD> yes.
[09:11] <rmg51> Hay


[02:44] <studio-user836> quick question while I am reinstalling Ubuntu Studio, any reason it won't boot after installing on a hardware raid supported by the motherboard?  Any tricks I should try?  I installed it and it wouldn't boot, just sat there blinking a cursor at me
[02:45] <studio-user836> it was studio 13.04.
[02:50] <studio-user836> noone?
[09:06] <studio-user718> ok
[13:11] <Sakrecoer> hey guys! i installed my nvidia drivers manually, because i don't know how to make that "aditional drivers" window aware of my graphic card... any idea how to enable that please? latest upgardes messed up my blender. i'm running 13.04 ubuntustudio :) )
[13:20] <Sakrecoer> i found something interesting in synaptic of course :)
[13:20] <Sakrecoer> let see what happens
[13:23] <Sakrecoer> i guess i have to uninstall the old one first...
[13:30] <cub> Sakrecoer, I don't have nvidia myself but I suppose it's similar approach as for ATI/AMD and in that case it's recommended to uninstall the special drivers first
[13:30] <cub> I actually had more trouble with the ATI/AMD drivers and in the end reverted to the default ones provided in the distribution.
[13:31] <cub> but the nvidia folks here will probably know more.
[13:31] <Sakrecoer> thanks cub :) i did so. now installing the drivers via synaptic :) i will repport back as soon as i know :)
[13:32] <Sakrecoer> (...as i know... if it fix my problem  hehe)
[13:32] <cub> :)
[13:32] <cub> Sakrecoer, telenor.se so Swedish I assume?
[13:33] <Sakrecoer> yes
[13:33] <Sakrecoer> :)
[13:33] <cub> the Swedish user base is constantly moving upwards. :P
[13:33] <Sakrecoer> #polypassporised, but in sweden, yes :D you too?
[13:34] <Sakrecoer> good!
[13:34] <cub> yup, in Stockholm
[13:35] <Sakrecoer> i guess, once you've tried ubuntustudio, how can you not do propagande ? :)
[13:36] <cub> hehe
[13:37] <Sakrecoer> haha! ok... brainlagg here... you are in stockholm, not the stockholm user base moving upwards :D
[13:37] <Sakrecoer> me too! in sthlm!
[13:37] <cub> so both!
[13:38] <Sakrecoer> Y(^^,)Yay!!!
[13:38] <Sakrecoer> haha
[13:38] <cub> what's you primary use? Audio/video/other?
[13:39] <cub> If you don't mind me being curious
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> well... it has always been a bit slippery between all of them...
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> i used to do alot of audio on it.
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> but now i got hardware for that.
[13:40] <cub> nice, any links to some of your stuff?
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> but i have always been fibblin with pictures.. and lately blender kicked in real hard :D
[13:40] <Sakrecoer> sure!
[13:41] <Sakrecoer> http://sakrecoer.com/music
[13:41] <cub> aha, never used Blender myself. Ardour and Kdenlive for me, but lately just browsing and office stuff. No time for creative things
[13:42] <Sakrecoer> yeah... i got a sparetime raise :)
[13:42] <cub> Is that a Korg D12 I spot on the background image?
[13:42] <Sakrecoer> have a cheap lifestyle, so i cut down to 30% workload :)
[13:42] <cub> wow, that would be awesome. I'd be happy with 80% workload. :P
[13:42] <Sakrecoer> oh... hmm.. weird :D thats the old music page...
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> the korg must be the kp3 on that picture...
[13:43] <cfhowlett> Sakrecoer, CC licensed on that music?
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> this is the fancy pancy link :D http://sakrecoer.com/jukebox/
[13:43] <cub> aha, I have a D12 stashed away somewhere at home
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> yes of course! :)
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> cc license all the way! :)
[13:43] <cfhowlett> Sakrecoer, I'll check it out.
[13:43] <Sakrecoer> NC-BY-Sa
[13:44] <Sakrecoer> cool!!
[13:44] <Sakrecoer> feel free to feed me back guys! :)
[13:44] <cub> absolutely
[13:44] <Sakrecoer> here is some werido graphics
[13:44] <Sakrecoer> http://sakrecoer.com/7up/begin/begin01.html
[13:45] <Sakrecoer> werido= weirdo ...
[13:45] <Sakrecoer> its flash thou... old version...
[14:24] <Sakrecoer> had to reboot.
[14:24] <Sakrecoer> hey cub
[14:24] <Sakrecoer> mind sharing some of your stuff? :)
[14:38] <holstein> !nvidia
[14:38] <holstein> ^^ that is what i refer to Sakrecoer ...the automatic thing has moved, and might be moving
[14:38] <cub> Sakrecoer, www.sjolund.se , all bedroom recordings. :P
[14:40]  * holstein 's "stuff" :) http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[14:40] <Sakrecoer> thanks holstein! my sollution was fairly easy ;) : i uninstalled the driver with $~ nvidia-uninstall then i used synaptic to install the recommended drivers. :)
[14:40] <holstein> Sakrecoer: thats the preferred method
[14:42] <cub> holstein, nice! how did you record it?
[14:43] <Sakrecoer> nice stuff guys!!
[14:43] <Sakrecoer> holstein and cub
[14:43] <holstein> for "open", i wrote and tracked at the same time, basically. i had a few ideas, but i pretty much sat down for a few hours and fleshed the ideas out while recording them
[14:43] <Sakrecoer> i'm downloading your lbum holstein
[14:44] <Sakrecoer> i was expecting to have to give my email away, but i didn't have to
[14:44] <cub> holstein, I meant more specific like how did you mic it, pre-amps, DAW etc?
[14:44] <holstein> for "living", i did it the same way, but i didnt do any editing.. for "open", i did a little editing.. if i improvised for 12 minutes, i would grab and splice the bits i liked, or whatever
[14:45] <Sakrecoer> good  method holstein
[14:45] <Sakrecoer> i proceed the same way with synthesizers...
[14:45] <Sakrecoer> with time and practice there is less and less splicing :)
[14:45] <holstein> i used a rode nt1000 into a presonus eureka preamp, into a presonus firepod for tracking
[14:45] <Sakrecoer> lately i do with the computer in sound is JAMin and WAV=>mp3 :)
[14:46] <Sakrecoer> rode nt1000 is that the mic holstein ?
[14:46] <holstein> i was in a garage with some temporary treatments hanging around (for "open"). for "living", i had a studio space with different rooms back then, and i was just out in the big room that i had treated a little
[14:46] <holstein> Sakrecoer: correct.. a large diaphagm condenser
[14:47] <Sakrecoer> sounds very good
[14:47] <holstein> i tried to mix both minimally in ardour.. used minimal processing on the way out of ardour... just a little reverb from irlv2 and JAMin
[14:47] <holstein> Sakrecoer: thanks
[14:47] <cub> so it's the "real" room sounding? No reverb added afterwards?
[14:48] <cub> ah..
[14:48] <holstein> http://rhythminmind.net/STN/?page_id=667
[14:48] <holstein> cub: TBH, i forget.. but if i did ust verb, it would have been ^^
[14:49] <holstein> i think, in my studio space for "living", i just used the room.. but in the garage where i did "open", i didnt like the space and killed it out and added in post
[14:50] <cub> cool. gotta catch my train home. see ya!
[15:28] <Sakrecoer> holstein, i am fairly impressed thanks for the record! have a good evening!
[15:47] <wip> i have a bug with gladish and puredata : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1455235/gladishbug.webm
[15:48] <wip> only 1 show up (sorry for people that are in kxstudio / opensourcemusicians) trying to fix this bug before the WE jam...
[15:49] <holstein> wip: if you are using kxstudio, you will report bugs to falk
[15:49] <wip> holstein, kxstudio made modification to ladish / gladish?
[15:50] <holstein> wip: you'll need to aks falk that.. but he has a lot of custom packages which could be causing whatever issue you are having
[15:50] <holstein> wip: you can try the ubuntustudio live CD and see if the issue is there.. if not, then you will be doubly assured where to report the potential bug you see
[15:59] <wip> ok for info : ladish have this bug since 3 years, you cannot add same application - horrible


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[08:58] <jamespage> hi trainguards - I've been using bileto for my distro SRU's and uploads for a while - I'd quite like to use it for Ubuntu Cloud Archive uploads as well - is it possible to get a set of PPA's added to the targets list - one for each Cloud Archive release?
[08:59] <sil2100> jamespage: hey! Sure, that shouldn't be a problem
[08:59] <jamespage> morning sil2100
[08:59] <sil2100> jamespage: I'll bring it up with Steve today, could you send me the list of the PPAs?
[08:59] <jamespage> I sure can
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[09:00] <jamespage> sil2100: I'll send that over by email if that's ok
[09:00] <sil2100> That's even better
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[09:08] <jamespage> gah that's annoying - I've tripped over rejected queue conflicts twice in the last week
[09:08] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=ceph
[09:11] <jamespage> sil2100: is there a way of telling bileto to ignore the old crufty reject in the trusty queue
[09:11] <jamespage> ?
[09:12] <sil2100> jamespage: you want to re-upload with the same version number, right?
[09:13] <jamespage> sil2100: yeah is that possible?
[09:13] <jamespage> that version never made it into a archive pocket
[09:13] <sil2100> jamespage: yeah, from the SRU perspective it is, as for Bileto I would have to check the code but I suppose once you re-upload it, UNAPPROVED will take precedence
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