[14:26]  * Daviey wonders if he missed a memo.
[14:44] <persia> Daviey: Summer time maybe?
[14:46] <Omahn> Daviey: 3pm here I believe.
[14:46] <Omahn> as in UK.
[14:48] <Daviey> persia: Yep, my mistake..
[14:48] <Daviey> Omahn: thanks.
[14:49] <jiboumans> Daviey: all hail UTC :)
[14:49] <Daviey> jiboumans: UTC is great, 50% of the year :)
[14:50] <kirkland-mobile> when does the rest of the world switch to dst?
[14:52] <Daviey> kirkland-mobile: It never ceases to amaze how wikipedia can provide more information than you ever thought possible, about a simple issue.
[14:53] <kirkland-mobile> Daviey: : yeah, I will look it up later
[14:54] <zul> morning
[14:55] <zul> stupid farmers
[14:55] <Daviey> zul: It's clearly afternoon.. :)
[14:55] <zul> Daviey: yes in bizzaro world
[14:57] <hggdh> moin
[14:58] <kirkland-mobile> hi
[14:58] <ttx> o/
[14:59] <jiboumans> o/
[14:59] <alexm> o/
[14:59] <jjohansen> \o
[15:00] <Daviey> o/
[15:00] <smoser> \o
[15:00] <jiboumans> afternoon folks
[15:00] <jiboumans> or in bizzarro world, good morning
[15:00] <Daviey> heh
[15:00] <zul> hah
[15:00] <zul> dem fighting words
[15:01] <jiboumans> i'm having a call at the same time as this meeting, so ttx will be once again be your trusted leader
[15:01]  * jiboumans passes the buck
[15:01] <ttx> \o/
[15:01] <ttx> #startmeeting
[15:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is ttx.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:01] <ttx> Agenda for today at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[15:01] <ttx> Scribe is smoser
[15:01] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[15:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[15:02] <smoser> i was hoping my name was left off the scribe list
[15:02] <ttx> smoser: nice try
[15:02] <ttx> can't find any action from last week
[15:02] <ttx> [TOPIC] Beta2 milestone release
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Beta2 milestone release
[15:03] <ttx> So Beta2 should be out tomorrow, server so far looking good
[15:03] <ttx> No more beta2-targeted bugs to fix, which is good
[15:03] <ttx> A few work items left for Beta2 @ http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html
[15:04] <ttx> mathiaz, kirkland, hggdh, ttx: please comment on feasibility of those last items by the end of the day
[15:04] <mathiaz> ttx: I'll resume publishing the blog post today
[15:04] <kirkland-mobile> okay
[15:04] <ttx> server-lucid-apt-mirror-ec2: one work item left, blocked on IS delivery, no update that I know of, will have to be postponed
[15:05] <ttx> kirkland: you have "Sign off on B2 candidate tests"
[15:05] <ttx> kirkland: and " 	announce why kqemu "went away" in Ubuntu"
[15:05] <kirkland-mobile> will do both today
[15:05] <ttx> hggdh: you have "Perform tests on B2 candidate", is it under way ?
[15:06] <ttx> jiboumans: no news from IS on the new EC2 mirrors ?
[15:06] <jiboumans> ttx: not yet; sent a follow up to James Troup, but nothing yet
[15:06] <hggdh> ttx: I have been unable so far, battling kernel oopses on my laptoip
[15:07] <mathiaz> hggdh: you can use the hardware in the DC
[15:07] <jiboumans> kirkland-mobile: clearly 'sign off' depends on 'perform tests' :)
[15:07] <mathiaz> hggdh: I'm not using the UEC test rig for now
[15:07] <ttx> hggdh: those B2 tests are about ruynning them on the DC testrig anyway
[15:07] <hggdh> mathiaz: I will try it now, laptop stayed on all night without a oops
[15:08] <ttx> hggdh: I suspect your laptop doesn't have to stay up for the duration of the tests ?
[15:08] <ttx> hggdh: please coordinate with mathiaz/kirkland on that, those tests need to be run today (or never)
[15:08] <kirkland-mobile> byobu/screen FTW
[15:08] <hggdh> ttx: the problem I was having to whole day yesterday was for the laptop to stay on. period
[15:08] <ttx> heh
[15:09] <ttx> Last thing about beta§2 we have to discuss is "Ramdisk vs. no-ramdisk for cloud images"
[15:09] <ttx> smoser: please explain the new situation quickly
[15:09] <smoser> well, we're hoping for no ramdisks for beta-2.  In all my tests (and ttx), the images boot successfully without ramdiks.
[15:10] <smoser> yesterday i removed ramdisk from publishing of EC2 images (20100107), but failed to do so for UEC images.  20100107.1 should be out in 90 minutes or so with that change inside.
[15:10] <ttx> So the idea is to have candidates up with "noramdisk", test the heck out of them
[15:10] <ttx> on every single cloud you can put your hands on
[15:10] <ttx> if the results are satisfying by the end of the day, we'll keep them, otherwise we'll revert
[15:11] <ttx> (late in smoser's night)
[15:11] <smoser> if you want to test with no ramdisk, just to make sure you don't hit the previous hang (bug 531494) you can do so easily with 'uec-publish-image --ramdisk=none'
[15:11] <ttx> smoser: does that sound like a plan ?
[15:11] <smoser> that sounds like a plan to me.
[15:11] <ttx> comments ?
[15:11] <smoser> so far it is infinitely more stable than it was in beta-1 without ramdisk.
[15:11] <ttx> Basically we want to give noramdisk a last chance
[15:12] <kirkland-mobile> just registering todays image will give no ramdisk?
[15:12] <ttx> kirkland: no
[15:12] <kirkland-mobile> or are there special instructions?
[15:12] <ttx> the current one you have to use smoser's command (see #ubuntu-server)
[15:13] <ttx> but new ones should nbe up in 90min
[15:13] <smoser> kirkland-mobile, registering todays image 20100107 will register a ramdisk
[15:13] <smoser> registering 20100107.1 will not (that is due in 90minutes)
[15:13] <kirkland-mobile> ttx: thought it might be nice to have in the log here
[15:13] <smoser> or, alternativley use '--ramdisk=none'
[15:13] <smoser> on your uec-publish-tarball command line
[15:13] <kirkland-mobile> smoser: right, thanks
[15:14] <ttx> uec-publish-image --ramdisk=none image.tar.gz lucid-20100407-noramdisk amd64
[15:14] <ttx> ok, next up
[15:14] <kirkland-mobile> uec-publish-tarball is awesome, btw
[15:14] <ttx> [TOPIC] RC/Final preparation
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  RC/Final preparation
[15:14] <ttx> Release is at the end of the month
[15:14] <ttx> Here are the priorties until then:
[15:14] <ttx> 1/ Release-critical  bugs
[15:15] <ttx> 2/ # Continued specs (eucalyptus-merging, uec-testing, puppet-ec2)
[15:15] <ttx> 3/ Lucid targets of opportunity
[15:15] <ttx> You can find a list of release-critical bugs and targets of opportunity at:
[15:15] <ttx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:16] <ttx> The RC bugs in that list take precedence over the spec work.
[15:16] <ttx> Note that FinalFreeze is next week
[15:16] <ttx> So that leaves little room for non-critical bugfixes :)
[15:16] <ttx> Please pay special attention during triage days to catch release-critical issues
[15:17] <ttx> We'll have a sudden influx of server lucid bugs after beta2
[15:17] <ttx> we need to catch regressions and upgrade bugs early
[15:17] <ttx> don't hesitate to subscribe me to those with a note, when you stumble on one
[15:17] <jiboumans> +1 on that; we have our triage days set. don't miss them, don't prioritise over those
[15:18] <ttx> Also we'll have to spend a common effort on openldap, we know there are a few issues around it, and mathiaz won't have the time to fix everything by himself
[15:18] <ttx> so once beta2 is out we'll do some triage/upgrade-bugfix o that
[15:18] <zul> whats wrong with openldap again?
[15:18] <ttx> zul: go triage the openldap bugs and find out :P
[15:19] <mathiaz> zul: we need to make sure that upgrade from hardy to lucid are working correctly
[15:19] <mathiaz> zul: the sticky point is the conversion from slapd.conf cn=config
[15:19] <ttx> Is everything clear on those priorities ? feel free to catch up with me or jib in case anything is unclear
[15:19] <zul> clear
[15:20] <ttx> let's make tyhis a stellar release, we enter the last run
[15:20] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[15:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[15:20] <ttx> hggdh: o/
[15:21] <hggdh> no new from me, execpt that stress testing was fine until day before yesterday ;-)
[15:21] <ttx> hggdh: ISO testcases look better now
[15:21] <hggdh> thanks to you, BTW
[15:22] <ttx> smoser, hggdh: the EC2 testcases still show "'multiple instances" and "single instance" rather than "multiple instances" and "userdata"
[15:22] <smoser> oh? i'll get that fixed.
[15:22] <mathiaz> ttx: are the iso test cases covered now?
[15:22] <ttx> We should fix that before the next respin
[15:22] <mathiaz> ttx: ie should set aside some time to run my iso testing scrips on the candidates?
[15:23] <mathiaz> ttx: should *I* set
[15:23] <ttx> mathiaz: I think we can achieve good coverage without you
[15:23] <mathiaz> ttx: great! thanks
[15:23] <hggdh> mathiaz: I have been running them on the rig
[15:23] <Daviey> hggdh: Would there be merit in blogging for community How to QA'ing + Test cases, and the tracker info.
[15:23] <ttx> Daviey: there would
[15:23] <hggdh> Daviey: it is a good idea, this is the correct moment
[15:23] <ttx> ara is usually blogging about that
[15:24] <mathiaz> Daviey: I think ara made a call for testing already
[15:24] <ttx> anything else for QA ?
[15:24] <hggdh> not from me
[15:24] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[15:24] <ttx> hggdh: thanks !
[15:24] <ttx> jjohansen: hi
[15:24] <jjohansen> hi
[15:25] <ttx> I don't think we have any issues open with kernel now, everything was fixed
[15:25] <jjohansen> so I have Bug #532553 targeted for post beta2
[15:25] <jjohansen> and that is it atm
[15:25]  * kirkland-mobile points hggdh at jjohansen about his kvm oopses
[15:26] <jjohansen> ah, yeah kirkland-mobile would
[15:26] <kirkland-mobile> :)
[15:26] <jjohansen> yes I will be looking into kvm oops, and we will see what we can find
[15:26] <mathiaz> jjohansen: when is kernel final freeze/upload?
[15:27] <ttx> I think it's passed already
[15:27] <jjohansen> next week
[15:27] <jjohansen> it hits a couple days before everyone elses
[15:27] <ttx> Ah you don't mean kernelfreeze
[15:27] <jjohansen> no
[15:27] <ttx> finalkernelfreeze ;)
[15:28] <ttx> anything else for kernel ?
[15:28] <smoser> jjohansen, kirkland-mobile is there a bug for kvm oops ?
[15:29] <ttx> I think hggdg has one
[15:29] <ttx> hggdh, even
[15:29] <kirkland-mobile> smoser: yes, ask hggdh for it
[15:29]  * kirkland-mobile can't look it up atm
[15:29] <ttx> bug 556919
[15:29] <kirkland-mobile> I suspect that it's cpu model specific
[15:30] <jjohansen> smoser: there are a couple Bug #444365, Bug #458201, Bug #556919

[15:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: while doing uec testing you may run into bug
[15:30] <mathiaz> hggdh: bug 556833
[15:31] <ttx> ok, moving on
[15:31] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ this is the fails to reboot
[15:31] <mathiaz> bug
[15:31] <ttx> mathiaz: was wondering if it wasn't the grub location preseeded value
[15:31] <ttx> but had no time to look into it
[15:31] <mathiaz> ttx: may be
[15:31] <mathiaz> ttx: we can discuss it later
[15:32] <ttx> since it seems not to be able to find grub .. and netbooting showed some swapping of /dev/sd[ab]
[15:32] <ttx> [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[15:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review  (mathiaz)
[15:32] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.latest.html
[15:33] <mathiaz> anything worth SRUing on this list?
[15:33] <zul> nope
[15:34] <ttx> nope
[15:34] <ttx> mathiaz: sounds like an outdated list ?
[15:34] <ttx> "fixed from 2010-03-20 to 2010-03-29"
[15:35] <mathiaz> ttx: yes indeed
[15:35] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-04-05.html
[15:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server-team/fixedbugs.ubuntu-server.2010-04-05.html
[15:35] <mathiaz> ^^ this one is empty
[15:35] <mathiaz> so I guess the script broke :/
[15:35] <Daviey> Last modified: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:07:48 GMT
[15:36] <mathiaz> There aren't any bugs nominated for the dapper,hardy,intrepid,jaunty,karmic
[15:36] <mathiaz> That's all for the SRU process then
[15:36] <ttx> cool
[15:36] <mathiaz> [ACTION] mathiaz to fix the fixedbugs script
[15:36] <mathiaz> ttx: ^
[15:36] <ttx> [ACTION] mathiaz to fix the fixedbugs script
[15:37] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to fix the fixedbugs script
[15:37] <ttx> [TOPIC] Call for Maverick blueprints
[15:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Call for Maverick blueprints
[15:37]  * mathiaz suggest improving MootBot to allow users to record actions for themselves
[15:37] <ttx> So in a little more than one month we'll have UDS again !
[15:37] <ttx> So it's time to start thinking about what you want to work on for the Maverick cycle
[15:38] <ttx> And filing blueprints about those
[15:38] <mathiaz> ttx: what's the naming scheme for the blueprint name?
[15:38] <ttx> (That's mostly a community call, the Canonical server team will work on a wikipage before creating those)
[15:38] <ttx> server-maverick-*
[15:38] <ttx> and set Jos Boumans as the approver
[15:39] <Daviey> ttx: w.u.c or w.c.com?
[15:39] <mathiaz> Daviey: blueprint.lp.net
[15:39] <Daviey> (no, reference to wikipage0
[15:39] <mathiaz> Daviey: w.u.com - as usual
[15:40] <ttx> Daviey: the brainstorm of what we want to do as a team will probably be on a private wiki, but we'll file the results just after
[15:40] <mathiaz> Daviey: we don't write any specs in w.c.com
[15:40] <ttx> on wiki.u.com and blueprint.lp.net
[15:40] <Daviey> great.
[15:40] <mathiaz> ttx: why use w.c.c?
[15:40] <mathiaz> ttx: and not follow the blueprint.lp.net process?
[15:40] <ttx> Daviey: we usually have plenty of ideas but reality bites us :)
[15:41] <kirkland-mobile> desktop has theirs in w.u.c
[15:41] <ttx> mathiaz: sync with jib, he set up the page
[15:41] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[15:41] <Daviey> oh sure, if it's commercially related blueprints - keep them on the prvate wiki :)
[15:41] <ttx> maybe I misread the link
[15:41]  * ttx checks
[15:41] <jiboumans> ttx: you did not
[15:41] <jiboumans> i'm scheduling a brainstorm call next week
[15:41] <jiboumans> the results will be published on w.u.c
[15:42] <jiboumans> i requested the input to be on w.c.c
[15:42] <mathiaz> jiboumans: why the input needs to be on w.c.c?
[15:42] <jiboumans> Daviey: as you noted, some are commerical or have commercial implications
[15:43]  * kirkland-mobile has to drop...later.
[15:43] <Daviey> jiboumans: ok.
[15:44] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[15:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[15:44] <ttx> Please shoot
[15:45] <RoAkSoAx> Cluster Packages are getting into Debian. Those include ivoks changes... they should be hitting Debian unstable soon, though I'm not sure if they are going to do so in time for us to sync/merge
[15:45] <mathiaz> RoAkSoAx: what's the state of the cluster stack in lucid then?
[15:45] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: they are still in universe ?
[15:46] <mathiaz> I also had a suggestion: drop the dovecot-postfix package
[15:46] <mathiaz> for lucid
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> mathiaz, ttx cluster-agents, cluster-glue, heartbeat are still in universe
[15:46] <ttx> mathiaz: why?
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> due to library split need. This is done already in debian
[15:46] <mathiaz> the implementation is not so great (using a different configuration file) to the poin that upstream filed a bug to modify dovecot to check for our alternate configuration file
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> but as I just checked, they have been uploaded to unstable yesterday :).
[15:47] <Daviey> mathiaz: Is dovecot-postfix broken?  It seems nuts to drop it otherwise?
[15:47] <mathiaz> a lot of user were complaning that changing dovecot.conf doesn't work
[15:47] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: what's the current state of the cluster stack in lucid ?
[15:47] <mathiaz> which makes sense as dovecot-postfix is using dovecot-postfix.conf instead
[15:47] <ttx> ivoks, ScottK: any opinion on what mathiaz proposes ?
[15:48] <mathiaz> so now Ubuntu is known in the upstream community as: are you using Ubuntu? if so change dovecot-postfix.conf instead of dovecot.conf
[15:48] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, Well currently, 3 packages are still in universe (cluster-glue, cluster-agents, heartbeat). cluster-glue needed library split, which is done in debian
[15:48] <mathiaz> bug 511295
[15:48] <mathiaz> is the bug from upstream
[15:48] <RoAkSoAx> so we would need to sync them
[15:49] <RoAkSoAx> cluster-agents, and heartbeat were waiting for this library split to be able to upload them to main
[15:49] <Daviey> considering dovecot-postfix was a target for jaunty.. it seems a shame to throw away the work.
[15:49] <mathiaz> LTS being maintainedfor 5 years I don't think it would be a good idea to provide a package that uses a *different* configuration file for 5 years
[15:50] <ttx> mathiaz: yes, an email thread about that might be a good idea
[15:50] <mathiaz> Daviey: well - the idea is good - the implementation proved to be not so great
[15:50] <ttx> [ACTION] mathiaz to propose removal of dovecot-postfix on MLs
[15:50] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to propose removal of dovecot-postfix on MLs
[15:50] <mathiaz> we tried - it's an LTS - let's back it off and give another try
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, I'll review debian packages, to file sync bugs and apply proper Ubuntu changes if any
[15:51] <mathiaz> another point: zul how is mysql-server-5.0 removal going?
[15:51] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: is it currently broken ? As in, main packages depending on universe packages ? Critical bugs ?
[15:51] <zul> mathiaz: should be ready to go after the freeze is lifted
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, it is not broken. Is up an running without library split and latest fixes
[15:51] <mathiaz> and third point
[15:51] <mathiaz> another proposal: drop the ubuntu-serverguide from the archive
[15:52] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: ok. Because it's quite late for non-critical fixes
[15:52] <ttx> mathiaz: rationale ?
[15:52] <mathiaz> sommer: hadn't had time to keep it up-to-date
[15:52] <ttx> mathiaz: we reviewed it recently, it's not that bad
[15:52] <mathiaz> and not having an up-to-date server guide is confusing at least for our users
[15:52] <Daviey> ttx: Does ANYBODY use it?
[15:52] <sommer> mathiaz: I did find time to get most of the major updates in
[15:52] <mathiaz> (see the ldap section for karmic)
[15:53] <ttx> I think the ldap section is the notable exception, rather than the rule
[15:53] <sommer> mathiaz: I'm working on an SRU for that
[15:53] <ttx> and Iwouldn't throw away the baby with the bath water
[15:53] <sommer> mathiaz: and the Lucid instrustions work for karmic
[15:53] <RoAkSoAx> ttx, well the packages that just hit Debian have many fixes, both in upstream and packaging. On the other hand, MIR for cluster-glue was rejected due to library split, which is now in Debian. Cluster-agents, Heartbeat MIRs were rejected too due to its dependency with cluster-glue.
[15:53] <mathiaz> ttx: may be - if so then my  proposal has a *lot* less weight
[15:53] <zul> ttx: i have to update landscape-client next week as well
[15:54] <mathiaz> I still think that the server guide is a great peace of work
[15:54] <ttx> RoAkSoAx: no time now, but we'll continue this discussion
[15:54] <mathiaz> and we should keep maintaining it
[15:54] <mathiaz> I'm just not sure if it should made available as a package
[15:54] <ttx> [ACTION] ttx to follow up with ivoks/RoaKSoax on cluster stack state
[15:54] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ttx to follow up with ivoks/RoaKSoax on cluster stack state
[15:54] <mathiaz> it may be worth discussing it at the next UDS
[15:54] <ttx> mathiaz: sounds late to change direction on that
[15:55] <mathiaz> the content is great - I'm not convinced about the form
[15:55] <ttx> mathiaz: but agreed for future release
[15:55] <sommer> mathiaz: I agree, and should have more time this cycle to do update... day job had a lot of projects coming to a close during the lucid cycle :-)
[15:55] <mathiaz> ttx: right - for lucid dropping the package from the archive seems the only solution for now
[15:56] <mathiaz> ttx: but if the guide is up-to-date
[15:56] <mathiaz> ttx: then it may be worth keeping in the archive
[15:56] <ttx> mathiaz: I think it's good enough.
[15:56] <mathiaz> ttx: ok
[15:56] <ttx> and if not bugs should be filed against it :)
[15:56] <ttx> ok, let's wrap up
[15:57] <Daviey> On another note, are people keeping an eye out to sponsor other peoples work into the archive
[15:57] <ttx> Next meeting, next week, same UTC time, same place
[15:57] <ttx> Daviey: we should all have at least 1 hour of sponsoring time  per week
[15:58] <mathiaz> I'm going through the sponsoring queue every Thursday
[15:58] <mathiaz> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[15:58] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[15:58] <ttx> ok, closing the meeting now, feel free to continue discussion on #ubuntu-server
[15:58] <ttx> #endmeeting
[15:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:58.
[15:58] <Daviey> I was just looking over that
[15:58] <mathiaz> ^^ for packages listed here under the -server seed
[15:58] <Daviey> super.
[16:01]  * mvo looks around
[16:02] <ev> hi
[16:02]  * tremolux waves at mvo
[16:03] <cjwatson> hi
[16:04] <cjwatson> Keybuk: poke chair
[16:04] <mvo> hi
[16:04]  * slangasek waves
[16:05] <Keybuk> cjwatson: two seconds ;)
[16:05] <Keybuk> dealing with last minute Activity Report flurry
[16:06] <Keybuk> ok
[16:06] <Keybuk> #startmeeting
[16:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:06. The chair is Keybuk.
[16:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:06] <Keybuk> [LINK] Meeting Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0407
[16:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  Meeting Agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0407
[16:06] <Keybuk> slangasek: AR nag
[16:07] <Keybuk> doko__, lool: ping and AR nag
[16:07] <Keybuk> james_w: ping
[16:07] <cjwatson> Keybuk: last-minute> *cough*
[16:07] <cjwatson> hey, really creative fiction takes time
[16:07] <james_w> hello
[16:07] <doko__> Keybuk: meeting pong
[16:08] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:08] <Keybuk> Order: mvo, slangasek, doko, cjwatson, tremolux, ev, lool, james_w, Keybuk
[16:08] <mvo> done: software-center bugfixing, update-manager fixes, upgrade reports review
[16:08] <mvo> todo: focus on upgrade issues and remaining sotware-center bugs
[16:08] <mvo> (done)
[16:11] <slangasek> done: plymouth bug fixing, beta-2 warm-up, got meself a script to batch-load the AMI #s onto the ISO tracker so I don't have to add 12 of them one at a time
[16:11] <slangasek> todo: beta-2 release :)
[16:11] <slangasek> (done)
[16:11] <doko__> openjdk & sun-java security builds, test failure debugging on the buildbots,  icedtea plugin debugging, upgrade fixes for ca-certificates-java, python-central, trying to start the archive rebuild, gcc-4.5 packages updated (branched!)
[16:11] <doko__> (done)
[16:12] <cjwatson> done: Launchpad patch to restrict bug transitions away from "Won't Fix"; display init script output by default on server boot; kicked off foundations planning for 10.10; yet more partitioner bug-fixing
[16:12] <cjwatson> todo: adjust partitioner free space handling following alignment changes; per-package exceptions to package set administration; d-i translation sync; possibly try to land ubiquity-common package split
[16:13] <cjwatson> p.s. Launchpad ec2 testing is not actually *that* hard to set up and lets you do LP work without having to do the heroic dependency setup
[16:13] <cjwatson> (done)
[16:13] <tremolux> Continued software-center bug fixes and triage.
[16:13] <tremolux> Currently working on two bugs related to channel updating (LP: #542892, LP: #556995).
[16:13] <tremolux> (done)
[16:13] <ev> done: lots of bug fixing
[16:13] <ev> in progress / todo: melting my brain in ubiquity's page history code, fixing whatever bugs arise from CD testing
[16:13] <ev> (done)
[16:16] <Keybuk> lool appears to be absent, james_w: you're up
[16:16] <james_w> Done: lots of improvements to launchpad code imports, and especially their API, sponsoring.
[16:16] <james_w> In progress/todo: more sponsoring, using the API once I have it all landed to stretch the code imports system.
[16:16] <james_w> (done)
[16:17] <Keybuk> done: nice break over easter, got plymouth & mountall fixed up last week
[16:17] <Keybuk> todo: catching up with my bugs folder
[16:17] <Keybuk> --
[16:18] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding actions from last meeting
[16:18] <Keybuk> I don't see any since 03-10
[16:18] <Keybuk> if nobody thinks they have any outstanding items, let's move on :)
[16:18] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Outstanding feature freeze exceptions
[16:18] <Keybuk> slangasek: ?
[16:19] <slangasek> well, /I/ don't have any outstanding feature freeze exceptions :)
[16:19] <Keybuk> do you have a list of anyone else's? :)
[16:20] <slangasek> no
[16:20] <Keybuk> anyone else want a freeze exception today? :p
[16:20] <mvo> all mine got rejected…
[16:22] <doko__> Keybuk: hmm, do these have to be discussed in the meetings?
[16:22] <Keybuk> if you want
[16:22] <Keybuk> let's move on
[16:23] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs
[16:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Milestoned bugs
[16:23] <Keybuk> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21447
[16:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone:list=21447
[16:23]  * doko__ is getting the rejections on private channels by slangasek ...
[16:23] <Keybuk> again, not really sure what we're supposed to do here ;)
[16:23] <slangasek> notice that there are bugs, then fix them! :)
[16:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: is there any particular reason to respin at this point?  if not, I was planning on moving the installer bugs there to final
[16:24] <slangasek> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/task-assignments/ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html shows precious little for the foundations team
[16:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/task-assignments/ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html shows precious little for the foundations team
[16:24] <cjwatson> I haven't updated that page this week, careful
[16:24] <slangasek> oh
[16:24] <cjwatson> (sorry)
[16:24] <cjwatson> we've been hammering away on the beta-2 installer bugs, and recently got a new contributor to the KDE frontend who unexpectedly showed up with a batch of fixes, so that helped
[16:24] <slangasek> well, the official list doesn't show much either :)
[16:25] <slangasek> maybe we could pitch in on the outstanding arm porting bugs that keep being carried over between milestones?
[16:25] <slangasek> (though I tried to start on one and found the description of what needed doing so vague that I gave up for the time being)
[16:26] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2 may be helpful
[16:26] <slangasek> cjwatson: particular reason to respin> I haven't seen one so far, but I also haven't had a chance to absorb the latest ISO tracker status since waking up
[16:27] <cjwatson> I looked through the Ubuntu bugs and nothing made me scream.  I haven't looked at the others
[16:29] <Keybuk> ok
[16:29] <Keybuk> I'm going to skip targeted bugs and sponsorship ;)
[16:29] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Good News
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Good News
[16:30] <Keybuk> slangasek: the fact I'm not working until 4am every day this week, compared to β1, seems to be good news :p
[16:30] <slangasek> I would say so :)
[16:30] <cjwatson> I did a pass through queued-up packageset permissions and synced up Launchpad with a bunch of them, which should cause slightly fewer people to scream at me
[16:30] <slangasek> Keybuk: any insight into our frequently-duped plymouth sigsegv?
[16:30] <cjwatson> ftp-master.d.o is back \o/
[16:31] <slangasek> I'm not sick this week \o/
[16:32] <Keybuk> slangasek: I haven't seen anything about that
[16:32] <doko__> populate-archive for the rebuild test is still running on cocopluum
[16:32] <slangasek> Keybuk: bug #533745
[16:32] <cjwatson> doko__: fast tools are great, aren't they
[16:32] <slangasek> hmm
[16:32] <slangasek> Keybuk: bug #553745
[16:33]  * slangasek blinks himself a little more awake
[16:33] <Keybuk> that sounds like a kind of "dangling handler pointer" bug
[16:33] <Keybuk> that's going to be impossible to debug, unless someone who can gdb through plymouth can replicate it
[16:34] <slangasek> indeed
[16:35] <Keybuk> ok, we're well into AOB now
[16:35] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[16:35] <cjwatson> mumble seems pretty nice; it would be good if more people hung out in the foundations team room there
[16:35]  * ev would love to, but is currently blocked on IS
[16:35] <cjwatson> you can basically just leave it open and push-to-talk when you feel like it
[16:36] <slangasek> the feedback between my built-in mic and speakers is bad enough that I'm using my headset, which means I'm only using it when my headset is plugged in
[16:37] <cjwatson> bug 515023 is nasty; while there's USB-protocol-level investigation going on upstream, I'm wondering if it would make sense to disable that udev rule on devices that seem to be affected
[16:37] <cjwatson> this seems to be USB 3.0 and Firewire so far; there's an ambiguous comment about USB 2.0
[16:38] <cjwatson> the rule is, IIRC, not normally critical to correct system operation
[16:41] <cjwatson> ... ok, maybe I'll go over it when at Scott's tomorrow
[16:41] <Keybuk> yeah
[16:41] <Keybuk> ok
[16:41] <Keybuk> [TOPIC] Chair for next meeting
[16:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chair for next meeting
[16:42] <Keybuk> ...don't all volunteer at once :p
[16:42] <ev> I'll do it
[16:42] <Keybuk> ok
[16:42] <Keybuk> #endmeeting
[16:42] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:42.
[16:43] <mvo> thanks
[16:43] <ev> thanks!
[16:43] <tremolux> good day all!
[16:43] <slangasek> thanks!
[17:57]  * ara waves
[17:57]  * bdmurray waves
[17:57] <pedro_> hey hey
[17:58]  * bladernr \0o/
[17:58] <bdmurray> bladernr: what happened to you? ;-)
[17:58] <ara> bladernr and his twin wave
[17:58] <bladernr> the local military base sprays too many chemtrails
[17:59] <bladernr> I grew a second head
[17:59]  * fader_ waves.
[17:59] <ameetp> o/
[18:00] <sbeattie> hey
[18:00] <fader_> marjo is on holiday today so he has asked me to start the meeting
[18:00] <schwuk> hi
[18:00] <fader_> So...
[18:00] <fader_> #startmeeting
[18:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is fader_.
[18:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <fader_> Agenda:
[18:01] <fader_>     * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <fader_>     * Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[18:01] <fader_> [TOPIC]  SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <MootBot> New Topic:   SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie)
[18:01] <sbeattie> SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-03-31):
[18:01] <sbeattie> * karmic: 7 new packages in -proposed (keepalived, linux-fsl-imx51, obexd, sun-java6, tzdata, usbmount, vsftpd)
[18:01] <sbeattie>       and 2 packages pushed to -updates (libdvdnav, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * jaunty: 2 new packages in -proposed (sun-java6, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie>       and 2 package pushed to -updates (tzdata, xfce4-weather-plugin)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * intrepid: 1 new package in -proposed (tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie>         and 1 package pushed to -updates (tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie> * hardy: 5 new packages in -proposed (debian-installer, exim4, pyclutter, sun-java6, tzdata)
[18:01] <sbeattie>      and 2 packages pushed to -updates (tzdata, xfce4-weather-plugin)
[18:02] <sbeattie> * dapper: 1 new package in -proposed (langpack-locales)
[18:02] <sbeattie>       and 7 packages pushed to -updates (clamav, dansguardian, gurlchecker, havp, klamav, langpack-locales, python-clamav)
[18:02] <sbeattie> Thanks to Artur Rona, Paul Elliott, Andres Rodriguez, Tomasz Melcer, Lollerke, Oreste Salerno, Soos Gergely, and P3P for testing SRUs this week.
[18:02] <sbeattie> That's all I've got on the SRU front this week.
[18:02] <RoAkSoAx> sbeattie, I've tested usbmount and keepalived already, left feedback on bug reports :)
[18:03] <sbeattie> RoAkSoAx: ah, yeah, saw your feedback, thanks for doing that!
[18:03] <RoAkSoAx> sbeattie, glad to help :)
[18:03] <fader_> Any other SRU-related questions/comments?
[18:03]  * sbeattie needs to do some hackery to translate from bug report email address to irc nick.
[18:04] <fader_> Okay, thanks sbeattie!
[18:04] <fader_> [TOPIC]  Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:   Bug Day status -- pvillavi
[18:04] <fader_> pedro_: Hi
[18:04] <pedro_> hey fader_
[18:04] <pedro_> so On Thursday 01  we had a bug day based on Nautilus:
[18:05] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100401
[18:05] <pedro_> ~50 bugs were triaged that day, Thanks a lot to our hug days heroes: hernejj, kamusin, charlie-tca, qense, nalimilan and dgtombs
[18:05] <bdmurray> sbeattie: that should be possible using launchpadlib I think
[18:05] <pedro_> Tomorrow we're having a bug day for Rhythmbox https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100408
[18:06] <pedro_> There's plenty of bugs to be triaged so if you have some time and want to learn a bit more about bug triage join us, we'll be glad to help you to start
[18:06] <pedro_> and again if you have an idea or want us to organize a bug day for clean up a package on Ubuntu , just let us know and add that idea to the planning page
[18:06] <pedro_> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning
[18:06] <pedro_> that's all from here Mr. fader_
[18:07] <fader_> :)
[18:07] <fader_> Any questions or comments about bug days?
[18:07] <fader_> Thanks pedro_!
[18:07] <fader_> [TOPIC] AOB?
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB?
[18:07] <fader_> Any other business?
[18:08] <ara> fader_, blueprints for UDS!
[18:08] <fader_> It looks like the agenda didn't get updated for today, so if there are any topics that should be discussed but didn't make it onto the agenda, feel free to speak up about them
[18:08] <fader_> ara: Indeed!  Do you have any info about due dates, etc.?
[18:09] <ara> fader_, no, but there are people already proposing topics for the qa track
[18:09] <ara> people coming to uds can start proposing topics at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m
[18:10] <ara> as usual, please, name blueprints with qa-m-whatever, so we can find them easily
[18:10] <fader_> Thanks ara!
[18:11] <fader_> Anything else?
[18:12] <fader_> Doesn't seem to be :)
[18:12] <hggdh> heh
[18:12] <fader_> Thanks everyone!
[18:12] <fader_> #endmeeting
[18:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:12.
[18:12] <pedro_> thanks
[20:01] <highvoltage> hi!
[20:02] <bencrisford> hello!
[20:02] <highvoltage> I think we can keep this fairly short,
[20:03] <highvoltage> technical from my side:
[20:03] <highvoltage>  * edubuntu-artwork is currently not installed on latest build, should be fine on next build
[20:03]  * stgraber waves in the right channel this time ;)
[20:04] <stgraber> uploaded the fix for that one and poked slangasek about it, hope to have a rebuild quite soon
[20:04] <highvoltage>  * bug 557519 is quite serious since it makes ltsp uninstallable, I'm not sure how to troubleshoot it further so any help is welcome there
[20:04] <highvoltage> stgraber: great, thanks
[20:04] <alkisg> Hi all
[20:04] <bencrisford> alkisg: hi
[20:04] <highvoltage>  * we still don't have the new edubuntu logo or ubuntu font, so our artwork is still rather incomplete
[20:05] <highvoltage> besides all of that, we're more or less ok from what I can see from a technical perspective.
[20:06] <highvoltage> anyhing else worth noting from a technical perspective?
[20:07] <highvoltage> bencrisford: you added some agenda items,
[20:07]  * highvoltage gives bencrisford the mic
[20:07] <bencrisford> highvoltage: indeed i did :)
[20:08] <bencrisford> i added some points about the advocacy team
[20:08] <bencrisford> last week we established that were gonna need to find some contributors somewhere
[20:09] <bencrisford> so basically we need to sort out where and how..
[20:09] <bencrisford> after that
[20:09] <bencrisford> once the release is out of the way
[20:09] <bencrisford> i think the advocacy team needs some attention
[20:09] <bencrisford> and then we could maybe find a way of sharing marketing material amongst contributors
[20:09] <bencrisford> maybe a lp branch?
[20:09] <highvoltage> yes that's probably the best way to do it
[20:09] <bencrisford> i dont know about distribution though
[20:11]  * Lns waves
[20:11] <bencrisford> does anyone have any ideas how we can attract contributors to the project?
[20:11] <bencrisford> hi Lns :)
[20:11] <highvoltage> bencrisford: here's an old post from Mark Shuttleworth to the Schooltool list: http://lists.schooltool.org/pipermail/schooltool/2004-August/000531.html
[20:11] <bencrisford> the bug day i think probably helped show people where we are
[20:12] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I like referring to that message because he explains that school admin isn't very 'sexy', as in, it's not something that's very glamerous that attracts lots of volunteer developers
[20:12] <alkisg> Lots of schools need little customizations, like remixes. If we made a web site where they could customize edubuntu (e.g. a ppa with metapackages which would be added in ubiquity) then we could attract some teams
[20:13] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I think edubuntu is kind of similar, people find it a somewhat boring subject, and I think we need to find a way to make it more exciting
[20:13] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i can definately see where you're coming from :)
[20:13] <alkisg> From the user perspective, a dialog in ubiquity where it could select "i'm a greek school, add the greek ppa in my sources and install the greek metapackages" => this would attract teams, but I don't know if we want to handle that.
[20:14] <Lns> You know what worked really well for me is school customization itself - simple things like a custom LDM theme that shows the name of their school. It helps provide a sense of ownership to the students AND staff.
[20:14] <bencrisford> in my opinion though, edubuntu isnt a boring project at all.  we dont have to make it "seem" more exiting we just have to explain "why" its exciting
[20:14] <Lns> They really liked little things like that
[20:15] <highvoltage> alkisg: since recently, something similar is actually possible in ubiquity
[20:15] <alkisg> highvoltage: really? haven't seen that...
[20:16] <highvoltage> alkisg: it actually supports tasks, or at least, something very close to it, mythbuntu has a plugin that does it that we want to recycle for edubuntu in maverick
[20:16] <highvoltage> alkisg: it could be changed to install some localisation meta-packages as well
[20:16] <alkisg> Right, that would attract a lot of schools to make their own metapackages/tasks with all the stuff they need
[20:17] <alkisg> ...and I suppose after selecting/using edubuntu, they'd also contribute to it
[20:17] <highvoltage> alkisg: it's something that could be explored, some people are a bit sceptical about ppa's, and there are some support issues around it, but yes, something that can be explored
[20:20] <bencrisford> i think we just need to let people know what difference they can make by contributing
[20:20] <highvoltage> alkisg: another way to get more contributors is getting more people from other ubuntu teams involved
[20:20] <highvoltage> woops, I aimed that at bencrisford
[20:21] <bencrisford> lol
[20:21] <alkisg> :)
[20:21] <highvoltage> we include a large number of kde packages, so we could perhaps get some more kde folks involved
[20:21] <bencrisford> i think edubuntu is one of the most important projects in the ubuntu scope :)
[20:21] <bencrisford> JackLD who is sometimes around on #edubuntu uses it to educate aids orphans
[20:22] <Lns> Honestly, and I mean this with no offense or anything like that, but do you guys think that just by telling people that we're out there is going to make them want to contribute their time and energy?
[20:22] <bencrisford> Lns: we tell them, and we convince them :)
[20:22] <Lns> I mean, some people sure.. but we need to make people want to contribute because THEY are gonna get something back :)
[20:22] <Lns> not just for the sake of contributing..
[20:22] <bencrisford> Lns: i think most ubuntu people are happy if other people are getting something back as well
[20:22] <Lns> well of course
[20:23] <highvoltage> Lns: right, we've also run into problems before where someone purely wanted to contribute because they thought it would get them a job at Canonical
[20:23] <bencrisford> its like people give to charity
[20:23] <highvoltage> Lns: I think it's ideal when someone can contribute and scratch their own itch
[20:23] <alkisg> I think that the people that have the technical expertise to contribute, already know what they need to know about edubuntu
[20:23] <Lns> highvoltage, right...everyone has a motivation to contribute, and very few are just because they want to for others
[20:24] <bencrisford> alkisg: its not all about technical expertise, we need triagers and artists too
[20:24] <highvoltage> Lns: but in terms of getting something back, I think it should be clear that it's a community and volunteer project and that with volunteering there usually comes some degree of selflessness
[20:24] <Lns> Take me for example, I do this for a living. I love contributing to the project and I will continue to do so, but I'm getting paid from schools to do it as well, so it's in MY best interest to help the community so we can ALL have better tools to work with
[20:25] <highvoltage> Lns: indeed, more people in your position would be great
[20:25] <bencrisford> Lns: if you got a new job, or retired im sure you would continue contributing if you could
[20:25] <bencrisford> so.. :/
[20:25] <Lns> highvoltage, exactly. I love helping everyone else with whatever I can, but if I was a construction worker I wouldn't be coming home and contributing to edubuntu in my own time ;)
[20:25] <Lns> well I would, but not nearly as much
[20:26] <Lns> not that i do a whole hellofalot right now ;) but I do whatever I can and I try to stay as active as possible
[20:27] <Lns> It's a prerequisite that someone wants to contribute to a community if they're going to do so. But there has to be something else there, something tangible that they get from it
[20:27]  * bencrisford is wondering why we have gone from talking about advocacy, to Lns becoming a construction worker :P:P:P
[20:27] <highvoltage> Lns: can you provide an example?
[20:27] <Lns> if we really want to get some quality contributors devoting a lot of time to the project
[20:27] <Lns> highvoltage, example of?
[20:27] <alkisg> (that's why I was saying about the ppa thing, they'd get an ubiquity dialog == their own remix in return)
[20:27] <highvoltage> Lns: something tangible that someone would expect
[20:28] <Lns> highvoltage, oh. Well, let's say a new GUI tool to manage workstations such as sch-scripts that alkisg is working on.
[20:28] <Lns> You work on a project because it helps you do a better job
[20:28] <highvoltage> Lns: yes, that's what I'd call a scratch-your-own-itch kind of contribution
[20:29] <Lns> and giving it away to everyone else in a similar situation is so awesome because then THEY don't have to reinvent the wheel, and they can contribute updates and stuff to it. It's so awesome to see that.
[20:29] <bencrisford> none of my ubuntu work does that, but it makes me feel good.  the qcad menu bug im working on atm, i dont care about, i dont use qcad.  but i know that if i fix it, loads of people in a few weeks are gonna download lucid and be able to click "qcad"
[20:29] <bencrisford> it doesnt bother me if no-one thinks of me staying up late wondering why fixing the .desktop file doesnt sort it
[20:29] <highvoltage> We should certainly put together some plans around this, it's great that you're bringing this up bencrisford, because we haven't given enough attention to it
[20:30] <highvoltage> something to think about for when we start the new release cycle
[20:30] <Lns> bencrisford, right - that's indirect because you know more people will download it and more people will become involved that use qcad
[20:30] <highvoltage> Any other items for this meeting?
[20:30] <Lns> did i miss the whole meeting? :(
[20:31] <bencrisford> Lns: its been a short one
[20:31] <Lns> ah
[20:31] <highvoltage> Lns: all of the technical part
[20:31] <bencrisford> just some technical stuff and bugs
[20:31] <highvoltage> but yes, purposely keeping it short! :)
[20:31] <Lns> oh ok i won't bring anything up then! =p
[20:32] <bencrisford> doesnt bother me, im missing waterloo road :P
[20:32] <highvoltage> Lns: heh, you can if you want to, but if it needs lots of discussions and isn't urgent we can do it at the next one instead :)
[20:32] <Lns> it's fine i'll bring it up in #edubuntu
[20:33] <highvoltage> ok that's it for this meeting then, thanks everyone
[20:33] <highvoltage> *bong*
[20:33] <alkisg> Thank you all
[20:34] <bencrisford> see you all back on #edubuntu :)


[01:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, I hadn't
[01:36] <Unit193> Does that mean you looked at it now? ;)
[02:50] <cyberanger> Unit193: no, but now I did ;-)
[02:50] <cyberanger> it meant I added it to a list for later
[02:50] <cyberanger> and later was 10 minutes ago ;-)
[02:50] <Unit193> What do you think?
[02:52] <cyberanger> intresting, I've gotten so used to kinda doing my own
[02:52] <cyberanger> Security - Zenix includes an active firewall (iptables configured with GUFW), psad, and fwsnort.
[02:52] <cyberanger> that right there just stands out
[02:53] <Unit193> ...I forgot to give you a link!
[02:53] <Unit193> Did you look at the Awesome page?
[02:53] <cyberanger> sends a mixed message about linux security, but towards my line of thinking
[02:53] <cyberanger> just cause it's as tight as a bank vault, doesn't mean I cannot make it more like fort knox
[02:54] <cyberanger> sorry, should have added, only could find Zenix on google (well, without more digging, I did say 10 minutes)
[02:55] <cyberanger> I did find Bodhi_zazen as a forum member there, but nothing clearly about Awesome, unless you mean the WM
[02:55] <Unit193> http://zenix-os.net/awesome.html
[02:55] <cyberanger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awesome_%28window_manager%29
[02:56] <cyberanger> ah, that'd be why, ruled out the same domain as zenix
[02:57] <cyberanger> oh, actually, that has been used too (didn't recognize it) went back to OBox shortly after
[02:59] <Unit193> It's not bad... (Not using it as the main, but it's rather nice once you get used to it)
[04:27] <Unit193> Howdy, orias
[04:28] <orias> o/
[04:28] <orias> how goes it?
[04:28] <Unit193> Not too shabby!
[04:32]  * cyberanger yawns
[04:32] <cyberanger> hey orias
[04:34] <orias> o/
[04:34] <orias> how goes it?
[04:39] <cyberanger> good, you?
[04:44] <orias> pretty good, although not as good as i was
[11:00] <chris4585> I didn't realize such a thing actually existed, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/use-classic-menu-in-unity-classicmenu.html
[11:00] <chris4585> unity just needs to be overhauled imo
[13:40] <wrst> i think unity needs to be scrapped
[13:46] <vychune> o/
[15:52] <cyberanger> wrst: or scuttled, or thrown out like garbage, rubbish, crap
[15:53] <cyberanger> take your pick
[15:53] <cyberanger> chris4585: until they do overhaul it right, and I see it working, I'm gonna lean to scuttling it
[15:54] <cyberanger> partially due to the people that saw this and don't understand it'll get better
[15:54] <cyberanger> the people we won over from vista in 2006
[16:08] <wrst> cyberanger: we need to keep them on a lts probably
[16:29] <cyberanger> wrst: that'll be worse next lts release though
[17:22] <wrst> hopefully not
[17:29] <cyberanger> on what I read, I'm nervous
[18:17] <orias> has anyone had a good experience with gnome3 on 10.04?
[18:21] <cyberanger> orias: I didn't think gnome3 was released in time for lucid
[18:21] <orias> it's not
[18:21] <orias> but it's installable
[18:32] <wrst> orias: don't bother I tried it on 10.10 the ppa is old and stinks
[18:32] <orias> how bad?
[18:33] <wrst> very if you want gnome 3 now I would go with fedora, or wait until the 11.10 alpha gets everything in it
[18:34] <wrst> unless you really want to do a lot of work
[18:35] <orias> :/
[18:35]  * orias is lazy about that
[19:58] <cyberanger> I would not rule debian out
[19:59] <cyberanger> but wrst seems spot on for fedora and gnome3, but I <3 debian based distros more than the frontends on them
[20:03] <orias> :D
[20:08] <vychune> lol
[20:10] <vychune> cyberanger: fav deb distro?
[20:12] <chris4585> fedora 15 with gnome3 is so.. so nice
[20:13] <vychune> fedora always kernal panics on me
[20:13] <orias> fedora (12) was so unstable and flaky for me, it turned me off of fed


[04:33] <pabs3> anyone know what might cause this?
[04:34] <pabs3> $ bzr co --lightweight lp:foxtrotgps/screenshots
[04:34] <pabs3> brz: ERROR: Unexpected HTTP status 401 for https://git.launchpad.net/foxtrotgps/screenshots/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack: Unable to handle http code: Unauthorized
[04:47] <pabs3> hmm, it goes away if I set HOME to an empty dir.


 I couldn't open any web site , not with chromium or firefox , and rss feeds dead , but IRC worked :P
[12:11] <Kilos> haha i had that other day
[12:12] <Kilos> needed to unplug modem and plug it back again
[12:12] <mazal> Weird hey , I have never seen that. It's like your internet is down , but 1 system is working
[12:12] <Kilos> ya
[12:12] <mazal> irc and minetest was working , everything else not
[12:12] <Kilos> pidgin also worked here
[12:12] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <mazal> I wonder what causes that , for interest sake
[12:13] <mazal> Is something in the OS or software , cos Barry's was fine on the same router
[12:13] <Kilos> inetpro  told me to restart my modem but didnt say why
[12:15] <mazal> All pc's should have a VW badge, there is always something bugging you
[12:18] <Kilos> hey i love VW's
[12:20] <mazal> Oi nee , as ek wil sukkel dan trou ek eerder
[12:21] <Kilos> lol
[12:27] <magespawn> maybe something on the dns for those services went haywire
[12:28] <magespawn> i have been having similat problems here with some of the users pc
[12:28] <magespawn> s/similat/similar
[12:36] <SilverCode> *sigh* is za.archive.ubuntu.com broken again?
[12:39] <Kilos> Maaz  is http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ down
[12:39] <Kilos> SilverCode  use the neology mirror
[12:39] <SilverCode> yeah, going to switch to it now
[12:40] <SilverCode> but just wanted to vent my frustration at the official repo being down again
[12:40] <Kilos> hi CuttingEdge
[12:40] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: greetings
[12:40] <Kilos> lol fight with symmetria
[12:40] <Kilos> he is also offline so something in kenya broke
[12:40] <SilverCode> getting "403  Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]" for the records
[12:41] <SilverCode> that is what always confused me .... why does our local repo point to Kenya?
[12:41] <Kilos> ya za archives point to his servers in kenya
[12:41] <Kilos> bnecause the local ones are even worse
[12:41] <Kilos> never up to date and broken weekly
[12:42] <SilverCode> why can't we point za archives to neology?
[12:43] <SilverCode> assuming they want that of course
[12:43] <Kilos> it was a major job to just get them to point to kenya at the time
[12:46] <CuttingEdge> <-- runs the neology mirror
[12:46] <SilverCode> CuttingEdge: in that case, thank you for running a very good mirror
[12:47] <Kilos> yes its the best
[12:47] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:48] <SilverCode> so does Maaz control the za.archive domain?
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz is a bot, so no
[12:49] <SilverCode> ..right
[12:52] <SilverCode> CuttingEdge: would Neology be against becoming the official ZA ubuntu mirror?
[12:52] <CuttingEdge> no, not at all .. in fact, i actually asked about it a while back
[12:53] <SilverCode> maybe it is time we petition<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:53] <Kilos> add that to the agenda for tonights meeting
[12:54] <CuttingEdge> the problem though, is that there can only be one country mirror per TLD, since apt freaks out if you round robin the DNS to multiple mirrors .. specifically if the mirrors are even remotely out of sync
[12:54] <CuttingEdge> an identical cluster negates this though
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> Mr. Edge why are you still not playing minetest with us?
[13:06] <CuttingEdge> ThatGraemeGuy: good question .. just haven't gotten round to it (yes, its a lame excuse)
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> very much so
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-p
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> details @ #minetest-za when you're ready
[13:32] <Mopkop> Guten tag!
[13:32] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[13:46] <magespawn> later all, home time
[14:09] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos: apt-offline --> suggest you look rather at "AptOnCD"
[14:09] <andrewlsd> it seems a lot easier.
[14:09] <andrewlsd> ^ wrt to the Trello ticket.
[14:10] <Kilos> i have tried it in 14.04, didnt work, used to give you the choice to open with synaptic then it would install everything with no hassles
[14:12] <Kilos> maybe it was just me
[14:12] <Kilos> worked well up to 10.10
[14:14] <andrewlsd> I also haven't used it recently.
[14:14] <Kilos> lol
[14:16] <andrewlsd> Kilos, how about http://ubuntu.africa
[14:16] <andrewlsd> for the africa site.
[14:16] <Kilos> what about them andrewlsd  ?
[14:16] <andrewlsd> (I can't post in trello)
[14:17] <andrewlsd> the domain doesn't seem to exist, so wondered if Ubuntu africa could be registered?
[14:17] <Kilos> pro will sort you tonight. i think the site is just waiting for a merge
[14:17] <Kilos> the site is running https://ubuntu-africa.info
[14:18] <andrewlsd> yeah, I know about the .info address, but thought a .africa would be awesome.
[14:18] <Kilos> and approved by canonical
[14:18] <andrewlsd> brb
[14:18] <Kilos> oh
[14:21] <SilverCode> fyi: the https version of ubuntu-africa.info is ... broken. Invalid cert that then takes you to codaptive.io
[14:21] <SilverCode> http version works fine
[14:21] <Kilos> oh my
[14:22] <Kilos> i get the same thing
[14:23] <Kilos> superfly  will know what is wrong
[14:26] <pieter2627> that also reminds me www.ubuntu-africa.info does not redirect to ubuntu-africa.info or vice versa
[14:26]  * pieter2627 wbbl
[14:47] <georgelappies> hi all
[14:47] <Kilos> hi georgelappies  you staying for tonights meeting?
[14:50] <georgelappies> yeah, what time Kilos
[14:59] <Kilos> Maaz  announce Meeting here tonight at 20.30 everyone!! Please try and attend
[14:59] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting here tonight at 20.30 everyone!! Please try and attend
[16:25] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  spinza
[16:31] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[16:32] <pieter2627> thanks Kilos
[16:33] <pieter2627> where is the meeting agenda again?
[16:33] <pieter2627> *meeting's
[16:33] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1EOpSGp
[16:33] <pieter2627> ty
[16:33] <Kilos> yw
[16:33] <inetpro> pieter2627: it's linked in the topic above
[16:34] <inetpro> Kilos: I might have a problem this evening
[16:34] <pieter2627> lol, missed that
[16:34] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  why?
[16:34] <inetpro> LoadShedding at 20:00
[16:34] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[16:35] <Kilos> i have no idea when we are scheduled for even
[16:36] <inetpro> I am hoping that they will skip us like so many times before
[16:37] <inetpro> but I have a feeling Murphy might win tonight
[16:37] <Kilos> ish
[16:37] <Kilos> and eish
[16:39] <inetpro> charging me phone now and trying to make a plan B
[16:40] <Kilos> good man
[16:42] <stickyboy> Anyone here like Studio Ghibli?
[16:52] <inetpro> great, plan B should work
[16:52] <Kilos> yay
[16:53] <Kilos> what is plan b?
[16:53] <Kilos> irc on android
[16:53] <inetpro> connecting through mobile hotspot
[16:53] <Kilos> aha
[16:53] <inetpro> just not sure how long the batteries will last
[16:53] <Kilos> oh from the laptop
[16:54] <inetpro> yep
[16:54] <Kilos> leave charger plugged in till power cuts
[16:54] <Kilos> maybe it wont now that you have made another plan
[16:54] <Kilos> good luck
[16:57] <inetpro> just need to do a quick test
[16:58] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[16:58] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[16:58] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[16:58] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[16:58] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[16:58] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[16:58] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[16:58] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: start meeting about Test Meeting
[17:03]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Test bot meeting skills
[17:03] <Maaz> Current Topic: Test bot meeting skills
[17:03] <inetpro> \o/
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: agreed testing done
[17:03] <Maaz> Agreed: testing done
[17:03] <inetpro> Maaz: end meeting
[17:03] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[17:03] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-17-03-27.html
[17:13] <georgelappies> who here knows the band Joy Division
[17:15] <georgelappies> Maaz: pour inetpro a beer
[17:15] <Maaz> georgelappies: What?
[17:16] <Kilos> lol
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[17:16]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[17:16] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[17:17] <georgelappies> Maaz a old one pretty please with a cherry on top
[17:17] <Maaz> georgelappies: *blink*
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <georgelappies> Maaz I ment cold
[17:17] <Maaz> georgelappies: Excuse me?
[17:18] <georgelappies> yes a cold one Maax
[17:18] <georgelappies> Maaz
[17:20] <georgelappies> Open the pod bay doors, please, Maaz
[17:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:20] <Maaz> georgelappies: *blink*
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[17:20] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:23] <Kilos> ohi SilverCode
[17:27] <Kilos> wb TinuvaMac
[17:27] <TinuvaMac> thx Kilos
[17:40] <inetpro> thanks georgelappies_
[17:45] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:01] <inetpro> Maaz: hmm...
[18:01] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[18:01] <Kilos> really thinking sometimes as well
[18:03] <andrewlsd> Maaz: I am Andrew Mc
[18:03] <Maaz> andrewlsd: What?
[18:03] <Kilos> lol you early
[18:03] <andrewlsd> yeah
[18:03] <Kilos> 20.30
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz  shup
[18:03] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[18:04] <andrewlsd> maaz you are awesome
[18:04] <Maaz> andrewlsd: I already know stuff about you
[18:04] <andrewlsd> maaz where do I live?
[18:04] <Maaz> andrewlsd: I'm afraid I have no idea
[18:04] <Kilos> Maaz  you
[18:04] <Maaz> Kilos: I am your new robot overlord
[18:05] <Kilos> inetpro  power still on?
[18:08] <inetpro> no
[18:08] <inetpro> just went off, but I'm here
[18:08] <georgelappies> yeah, yeah me as well Maaz, please hand out proper  stamp sized blotters of (print andrewlsd[-3] )  to all in this room.
[18:08] <Kilos> eish,
[18:09] <inetpro> even if a bit laggy
[18:09] <inetpro> going to change my sim quickly
[18:09] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <andrewlsd2> really bad connection
[18:10] <georgelappies> yeah, yeah me as well Maaz, please hand out proper  stamp sized blotters of (print andrewlsd[-3] )  to all in this room.
[18:10] <Kilos> looks like
[18:11] <Kilos> wb zerlgi
[18:12] <zerlgi> sorry all
[18:12] <Kilos> np man
[18:12] <zerlgi> using "rice"  on my android. and it seems that my DSL dropped several times
[18:13] <zerlgi> so switched to mobile  data
[18:13] <Kilos> my telkom is very stable
[18:14]  * inetpro is back on Telkom
[18:14] <zerlgi> mine is usually
[18:14] <inetpro> have a much better signal with Telkom than with Vodacom
[18:14] <Kilos> only time i get disconneced is when eskom interferes
[18:15] <georgelappies> for me unfortunately Vodacom has the best reception
[18:15] <mciverza> +1
[18:16] <inetpro> Maaz: hi
[18:16]  * Maaz waves to inetpro
[18:16] <Kilos> inetpro  are you getting a strong signal yet?
[18:17] <Kilos> even when it was only a couple of bars it was stable
[18:20] <georgelappies> They all use the same tech (Voda, MTN, Cell C, Telkom). It is just a function of how far you are from the tower and the infrastructure from the tower to the nearest internet exchange
[18:25] <captine> Hi all.   Can't boot from USB or external CDROM and internal drive is busted. Managed to boot an iso image by editing some grub stuff but then I cannot install the is as the iso is on the HDD that I need to install to (although it was on a separate partition)
[18:30] <Kilos> eina man what happened?
[18:30] <captine> Just old.
[18:30] <captine> Real old
[18:30] <Kilos> that same prob?
[18:31] <captine> Brb.  Yip
[18:31] <Kilos> most likely will go again with a new hdd in
[18:33] <pieter2627> have we started yet?
[18:33] <Kilos> nope
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:34] <Kilos> uh oh
[18:34] <Mopkop> Oops...
[18:34] <captine> Oops?
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> looks like pro has got probs
[18:35] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:36] <Kilos> loadshedding is really interfering
[18:37] <superfly> hi
[18:37] <superfly> just got back from loadshedding
[18:37] <captine> 3g sucks in my house. Need to hold tablet in one spit.  Lol
[18:37] <Kilos> eish, pro is shedding atm
[18:38] <captine> Superfly I still have 2hours of darkness
[18:38] <Kilos> lol captine  sit closer to the window
[18:38] <captine> Kilos it is to cold
[18:38] <captine> Lol
[18:38] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <pieter2627> ..and does not always work
[18:39] <Kilos> im also cold. covered in gowns and coats
[18:39] <mciverza> an covered in blankets
[18:39] <mciverza> loving all the mobile device induced typos
[18:39] <captine> Blankets on couch in dark lounge.
[18:40] <superfly> ohi kmf
[18:40] <captine> Yip
[18:40] <kmf> hello su
[18:40] <kmf> hello superfly
[18:40] <Kilos> hi kmf  long time no see, you well?
[18:40] <kmf> howdy Kilos
[18:40] <mciverza> hi superfly,  kmf
[18:41] <kmf> mciverza, long time
[18:41] <mciverza> too long
[18:41] <Kilos> superfly  i think pro is having probs can you take over chair please
[18:41] <superfly> ai
[18:41] <Kilos> oh my
[18:42] <superfly> I don't know what's on the agenda
[18:42] <Kilos> i think his fones battery died or something
[18:42] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1EOpSGp
[18:42] <Kilos> not much i think
[18:42] <mciverza> 33 here. cool
[18:43] <mciverza> make it 34,  nope 33
[18:43] <Kilos> 36
[18:43] <Mopkop> Disregarding the bots I think...
[18:43] <superfly> OK, I can do it, but you have to play by my rules :-P
[18:43] <mciverza> (wasn't counting the bots)
[18:43] <pieter2627> ^^
[18:43] <Kilos> 1 bot
[18:43] <pieter2627> 3 bots
[18:44] <Kilos> and some afk peeps
[18:44] <Kilos> bot
[18:44] <superfly> DalekSec: why don't you do it :-P
[18:44] <Mopkop> Kilos: + logbot and chanServ
[18:44] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:44] <Kilos> haha
[18:44] <Kilos> i count them too
[18:45] <pieter2627> we just made Kilos' dream of reaching 50 harder
[18:45] <captine> Superfly, happy with your rules
[18:46] <superfly> Maaz: start meeting about Ubuntu Monthly Meeting - May 2015
[18:46]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:46] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:46] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:46] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:46] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:46] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[18:46] <Mopkop> Maaz: I am Ashton van Niekerk
[18:46] <Maaz> Mopkop: Righto
[18:47] <Kilos> Mopkop  let mooi op ne
[18:47] <kmf> Maas: I am Karl Fischer
[18:47] <kmf> dammit
[18:47] <kmf> Maaz: I am Karl Fischer
[18:47] <Maaz> kmf: Sure
[18:47] <captine> Maaz I am Bradley Putzier
[18:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[18:47] <Maaz> captine: Okay
[18:47] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:47] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sure
[18:47]  * Mopkop puts focus-cap on.
[18:48] <pieter2627> Maaz: I am Pieter Engelbrecht
[18:48] <Maaz> pieter2627: Yessir
[18:48] <mciverza> Maaz: i am Amdr
[18:48] <Maaz> mciverza: Alrighty
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <superfly> I'm presuming that folks have reviewed the minutes of the previous meeting, so I'm just going to take them as accepted.
[18:49] <superfly> Maaz: accepted Minutes of the previous meeting
[18:49] <Maaz> Accepted: Minutes of the previous meeting
[18:49] <captine> Cool
[18:49] <mciverza> maaz: i am andrew mac
[18:49] <Maaz> mciverza: Done
[18:49] <superfly> Secondly, I'm going to ask a big fat WHY?
[18:50] <captine> Superfly??
[18:50] <kulelu88> burp
[18:50] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:50] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay
[18:50] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[18:50] <Kilos> login please
[18:50] <Kilos> superfly  why load shedding?
[18:50] <superfly> Why do we need people to sign the CoC, become members, and do the other things listed in "Plans for 2015"
[18:50] <kulelu88> Hello NSA, I am a pawn in your game of world domination
[18:50] <superfly> What's the point?
[18:51] <superfly> If there's no point, there's no reason to try to get people to do them.
[18:51] <Kilos> superfly  never mind that
[18:51] <Kilos> peeps will follow you
[18:52] <superfly> Kilos: no, I ask this in all earnest.
[18:52] <Kilos> pro can explain when he gets here
[18:52] <Kilos> lemme read it again
[18:52] <kulelu88> anybody enjoy american funk music?
[18:53] <Kilos> kulelu88  meeting time
[18:53] <kulelu88> oh ja. its today
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: you see, if we don't have a reason for doing these things, then no one is going to want to do it.
[18:53] <mciverza> reason for signing CoC, imho, is that it's the first step towards contributing to Ubuntu
[18:53] <Kilos> i see your reasoning superfly
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: the reason Ubuntu LoCo's are losing steam is because there is no point.
[18:54] <superfly> They've lost the passion because they've lost the goal.
[18:54] <captine> I think it is just to have a more formal stamp of community membership.  We are all members of ythe greater community in terms of local channel, other projects, maybe bug reporting etc but I guess it is nice to get people to Get the official stamp.
[18:54] <kulelu88> it's too distro-centric. I'd prefer an OS-loco. All types of open source should be welcome
[18:54] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker
[18:54] <Lionthinker> Hi all
[18:54] <Lionthinker> apologies I'm late
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: you've taken on this goal of getting all the African LoCo's together. Once that's done, then what?
[18:55] <Mopkop> superfly: hmmm, I disagree. Its kind of an initiation ceromony - like baptism or being ordained. Also consider that the guys over at the linux foundation now have their own CoD. They got it out of necesity, because some people (most notably Linus himself) were misbehaving. Signing a CoD will hold people accountable for their misconduct.
[18:55] <superfly> Mopkop: it's not necessarily about the CoC, which I totally agree with. It's the greater "meaning of things"
[18:55] <Kilos> superfly  im doing it so that all linux users in africa have a common channel to get and help each other
[18:55] <superfly> Kilos: and then what?
[18:56] <Mopkop> superfly: You mean like the purpose and direction of the LoCo?
[18:56] <Kilos> then ill be dead i think
[18:56] <superfly> Mopkop: yes
[18:56] <kulelu88> I think superfly is trying to show you guys that you need to plan a bit further ahead. Having a goal just for the sake of having 1 is a hamster-wheel exercise
[18:57] <Kilos> ok just think of being the only linux user in a country
[18:57] <Kilos> then all of a sudden there is a channel full of like minded peeps
[18:57] <Lionthinker> hamster-wheel exercise ***chuckle talk about changing a 6 week old!!!
[18:57] <superfly> Kilos: I don't want you to explain it to me, I want you to think about it and
[18:58] <superfly> *and come up with goals/solutions
[18:58] <Kilos> lead us superfly
[18:58] <Kilos> you set the goals
[18:58] <Mopkop> We had the same problem at Church. We were not sure what direction we should take. So the last 2 years we spent a lot of effort in defining purpose and direction of the church as well as the responsibilities. Maybe we should set up something like that for the LoCo?
[18:58] <kulelu88> for example. You turn linux users in Africa into a community . Then you try to lobby government to move away from closed-source software
[18:58] <pieter2627> so maybe the goal should be improved to be more specific for the set problem...
[18:59] <superfly> Kilos: I don't have goals and I don't have time to lead. It's not about me, I'm just posing the questions.
[18:59] <Kilos> hi wilsonmaravilha  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:59] <kulelu88> or you try to get grass-roots involvement in linux through schools, recycled PCs, etc.
[18:59] <pieter2627> ex. rather that get more to #ubuntu-za, make the visibility and existence of it more common/open
[18:59] <Kilos> oh well yes that is the aim kulelu88
[19:00] <wilsonmaravilha> Hi there, Kilos :) Thanks!
[19:00] <kulelu88> I don't want to join because calling ourselves "ubuntu africa" is too narrow-minded. We already seem to have linux user groups, so better to support them
[19:00] <Kilos> the aim is for everyone to used foss right?
[19:00] <kulelu88> not everyone
[19:01] <Kilos> well those who would like to
[19:01] <Lionthinker> [Interesting fact - do you know the Gauteng Provincial Gov uses Ubuntu?]
[19:01] <kulelu88> I never knew that Lionthinker
[19:01] <kulelu88> I know FNB does
[19:01]  * pieter2627 jaw dropped open
[19:02] <Lionthinker> Full of interesting things is Lionthinker
[19:02] <superfly> I've seen Ubuntu in use by Vodacom at some of their stands in Canal Walk in Cape Town.
[19:02] <Kilos> lol
[19:02] <Mopkop> Suggestion: Let's formally set up a Vision, Mission, and Goals for out LoCo we can all agree on.
[19:02] <superfly> That's another aspect we could really work on. Making Ubuntu more visible
[19:02] <mciverza> cell c, shops video displays are Linux
[19:02] <Kilos> and the telkom tech that came here was quite at home on my kde
[19:02] <superfly> Yep, those big displays in Checkers run Linux (I saw one rebooting)
[19:02] <mciverza> :)
[19:03] <kulelu88> thing about these ideas is that we always have them, but very few of us want to give enough time to see through the plans
[19:04] <Kilos> superfly  been thinking about the whole thing for days now, advertising is expensive though
[19:04] <pieter2627> we should maybe also try to magnify it being used by popular firm like does above (compile a list some time)
[19:04] <pieter2627> s/does/those/
[19:04] <superfly> kulelu88: There are some things that we can do without needing to spend huge amounts of time or money
[19:05] <Mopkop> Maybe we (the whole Ubuntu Community actually) should start some crowed-funding ad-campaign like they did with firefox.
[19:05] <superfly> kulelu88: but I agree with you. The only reason Ubuntu-Africa is going anywhere is because Kilos is seeing it through. He has the time and the motivation to do it.
[19:05] <superfly> I lack the time, for the most part.
[19:05] <Lionthinker> Has anyone got connections to Kenya and the iHubs?
[19:05] <georgelappies> time is a very limited resource
[19:06] <kulelu88> I'd be willing to be an evangelist for linux, not for ubuntu. ubuntu has canonical to spend money on marketing
[19:06] <superfly> Lionthinker: we can ask stickyboy
[19:06] <Kilos> or kenju254
[19:06] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm more of a Debianite these days
[19:06] <mciverza> I have some Kenyan connections
[19:06] <mciverza> but liquid telecom has office there
[19:07] <Lionthinker> superfly, trying to think of a quick come back to stickyboy but gave up
[19:07] <superfly> haha
[19:07] <kulelu88> so hows about we do a grassroots effort for linux as a linux community? Small talks at schools?
[19:07] <Kilos> Lionthinker  stickyboy  runs servers in kenya
[19:08] <superfly> I was thinking of something a little smaller ;-)
[19:08] <superfly> What if we have a section on our site of "Ubuntu in the wild"
[19:08] <kulelu88> small talks under a tree? that's retro
[19:08] <superfly> and people can submit photos of Ubuntu (or indeed any Linux distro) that they see in public places
[19:08] <Kilos> sounds good superfly
[19:08] <pieter2627> superfly: sa wild only or world wild
[19:09] <superfly> pieter2627: any, really
[19:09] <mciverza> Ubuntu in the wild,  with photos
[19:09] <Lionthinker> Ubuntu in the Veld
[19:09]  * pieter2627 thinks it is a good idea
[19:09] <mciverza> primarily ZA.
[19:09] <SilverCode> can we submit photos of our own work in the wild running Ubuntu?
[19:10] <pieter2627> It can help to persuade others to adopt Ubuntu more easily
[19:10] <kulelu88> as long as its not pron SilverCode
[19:10] <mciverza> yes
[19:10] <superfly> I think as long as it's kinda public, that's OK
[19:10] <SilverCode> well, we run roughly 10 000 advertising displays in SA on Linux, with about 50% of them Ubuntu
[19:11] <superfly> SilverCode: perfect
[19:11] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[19:11] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[19:11] <inetpro> ai!
[19:11] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[19:11] <Kilos> what broke
[19:11] <inetpro> eventually I am back in full force
[19:11] <Lionthinker> Maaz: I am Leon Marincowitz
[19:11] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Done
[19:11] <kulelu88> SilverCode: primedia?
[19:11] <superfly> SilverCode: it may be a good idea just to get an A-OK
[19:11] <inetpro> almost
[19:11] <SilverCode> kulelu88: One Digital Media
[19:11] <superfly> from the powers that be
[19:12] <kulelu88> fascinating stuff
[19:12] <inetpro> Telkom kicked me out for roaming via Vodacom
[19:12] <SilverCode> superfly: you mean the powers that be of the company I work for?
[19:12] <Kilos> ai!
[19:12] <superfly> SilverCode: yeah, I'm not sure what your work politics are like
[19:12] <superfly> SilverCode: if you need to.
[19:12] <mciverza> oDm,  I saw your stuff at Wimpy
[19:13] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for taking over
[19:13]  * inetpro trying to catch up
[19:13] <SilverCode> superfly: I'm pretty sure i can get it past my CEO
[19:13] <SilverCode> mciverza: If I'm not mistaken, you actually did work on our servers
[19:13] <kulelu88> I think it would be a greater security risk to say you are running anything windows
[19:13] <mciverza> you are not mistaken :)
[19:13] <superfly> SilverCode: it doesn't actually have to solely be Ubuntu either
[19:14] <superfly> mciverza: dude, we still need to get our families together sometime.
[19:14] <kulelu88> wimpy tvs run on linux ? ftw!
[19:14] <SilverCode> kulelu88: the Digital Menuboards do
[19:14] <SilverCode> as do the ones in KFC
[19:15] <SilverCode> and in Domino's
[19:15] <kulelu88> KFC *spits on the floor (where chicken is washed)*
[19:15] <SilverCode> and Spur
[19:15]  * mciverza loves them all
[19:15] <Kilos> lol
[19:15] <kulelu88> SilverCode: what desktop OS do you guys use?
[19:16] <SilverCode> kulelu88: I develop on Netrunner, other guys develop on Xubuntu and Mint
[19:17] <SilverCode> but our actual displays run a customized Ubuntu 14.04
[19:17] <SilverCode> ...no, the dont
[19:17] <SilverCode> Ubuntu 12.04
[19:17] <SilverCode> new version is going to be 14.04
[19:17] <kulelu88> aah I'm already liking your company.
[19:17] <SilverCode> oooooolllllddddd versions run on Fedora 10 to Fedora 14
[19:18] <inetpro> hmm... so we're just having an open discussion this evening?
[19:19] <Kilos> kinda the chair disappeared
[19:19] <kulelu88> some of these gents only show up once a month, so we gotta get to know them
[19:19] <mciverza1> (connecting again via browser, using kiwiirc web client)
[19:20] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:20] <inetpro> have we discussed events yet?
[19:21] <Kilos> nope
[19:21] <inetpro> sad that kmf is away now
[19:21] <inetpro> Maaz: topic Events
[19:21] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:21] <Kilos> yeah i wonder what happened to him
[19:21] <mciverza1> kmf is in pain.
[19:21] <superfly> Sorry, I'm back.
[19:21] <mciverza1> (and his kids needed assistance)
[19:21] <magespawn> ?
[19:22] <mciverza1> Maaz: tell kmf that I hope his toe feels better
[19:22] <Maaz> mciverza1: Got it, I'll tell kmf on freenode
[19:22] <superfly> inetpro: before events
[19:22] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Set up "Ubuntu in the wild" section on website and promote it
[19:22] <Maaz> Agreed: Set up "Ubuntu in the wild" section on website and promote it
[19:22] <mciverza1> Curious question: Hands up if you're based near the Cape Peninsula
[19:23] <inetpro> mciverza1: be nice to him
[19:23] <superfly> o/
[19:23] <Kilos> superfly  can you do that to both sites please?
[19:23] <mciverza1> o/
[19:23] <superfly> Kilos: we'll see
[19:23] <Lionthinker> superfly, what about "Ubuntu in the Veld"
[19:23] <kulelu88> eeewww cape town
[19:23] <superfly> we first need to figure out how to do it
[19:23] <Kilos> you will, we know
[19:23] <mciverza1> SilverCode: Somerset West is close enough :)
[19:24]  * pieter2627 would love be help with the planning
[19:24] <Kilos> pull pieter2627  in superfly
[19:24] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Plan on Trello
[19:24] <Maaz> Agreed: Plan on Trello
[19:24] <superfly> OK, ready to move on to events?
[19:24] <kulelu88> does living in mitchells plain count? mciverza1
[19:25] <mciverza1> fo sho.
[19:26] <superfly> Maaz: agreed We need to rethink our goals and reasons for being here
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: We need to rethink our goals and reasons for being here
[19:26] <stickyboy> #community
[19:26] <superfly> Maaz: agreed we also need volunteers
[19:26] <Maaz> Agreed: we also need volunteers
[19:26] <superfly> Kilos: have I missed anything?
[19:27] <Kilos> thats a good start superfly
[19:27]  * SilverCode sticks his hand up
[19:27] <mciverza1> o/
[19:27]  * SilverCode wonders why his hand is in the air
[19:27] <Kilos> we can add on as we progress
[19:27] <kulelu88> armpit scratch SilverCode
[19:27]  * mciverza1 waves hand in air at SilverCode
[19:28] <superfly> OK, let's move on then
[19:28] <superfly> Maaz: topic Events
[19:28] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:28] <superfly> As usual, there were no events this past month.
[19:28] <superfly> Or were there?
[19:29] <kulelu88> the joburg linux user group has meetups. do those count?
[19:29] <superfly> kulelu88: they can
[19:29] <inetpro> superfly: not much no, but I hope you have inspired some to try harder with your mail the other day
[19:29] <kulelu88> superfly: http://www.meetup.com/Jozi-Linux-User-Group-JLUG/events/221553986/
[19:29] <Kilos> what mail?
[19:30] <mciverza1> there was a ctlug meetup too.
[19:30] <Kilos> Vince-0  any news from dbnlug
[19:30] <kulelu88> is there literally nobody from the JLUG here?
[19:30] <pieter2627> Kilos: the 'girl' i think
[19:30] <Vince-0> there is none, very little movement on the mail lists too
[19:31] <Kilos> oh my
[19:31] <Kilos> pieter2627  ?
[19:31] <pieter2627> the mail
[19:31] <Kilos> i missed something
[19:31] <pieter2627> you asked which mail
[19:31] <Kilos> oh
[19:32] <Kilos> ill look for it again unless someone can forward it to me
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: about doing the Ubuntu Hour thing
[19:32]  * inetpro lagging by 60s
[19:32] <Kilos> i dont remember anything about a girl
[19:32] <superfly> kulelu88: did you go, or have you been keeping track at all?
[19:33] <Kilos> nope inetpro  no bells
[19:33] <Kilos> maybe went to spam
[19:33] <Kilos> ai!
[19:33] <kulelu88> I want to attend superfly , but even with Pretorias +1 million citizens, we still seem to do everything in joburg, which is kak to travel to in the evenings
[19:33] <pieter2627> Kilos: you just mentioned that she is a girl (reason for the brackets) compared to you
[19:33] <kulelu88> those okes are doing interesting things at the LUG though
[19:33] <superfly> kulelu88: next time can you mail the list about it?
[19:33] <Kilos> oh my
[19:34] <mciverza1> kulelu88, any Tuks LUG?
[19:34] <kulelu88> mciverza1: gremble was supposed to set that up
[19:35]  * mciverza1 remembers going to TLUG
[19:35]  * mciverza1 also remembers ptalug
[19:36] <kulelu88> you're another Pretorian living in CPT? mcir
[19:36] <kulelu88> mciverza1:
[19:36] <superfly> Maybe what we need to do is get people to post about the events they're interested in, or are going to, to the mailing list
[19:37] <kulelu88> why don't you guys just join the LUGs?
[19:37] <superfly> Maaz: Agreed Get folks to mail the list about events like the JoziLUG meetup
[19:37] <Maaz> Agreed: Get folks to mail the list about events like the JoziLUG meetup
[19:37] <mciverza1> Kulelu88: I'm a Capetonionn who has lived in Durban and Pretoria, and worked in Jozi
[19:37] <superfly> kulelu88: I'm on CLUG's mailing list, I'll re-post their meetings
[19:37] <Kilos> wb wilsonmaravilha
[19:38] <kulelu88> I only see some of you guys here at this time of the month, so apologies for spamming the meeting with 'get to know you' questions
[19:38] <inetpro> sorry guys... my connection is still rather pathetic
[19:38] <superfly> Is anyone willing to volunteer to just send a mail to the list inviting folks to re-post meetings from other LUGs and OSS groups on the mailing list?
[19:39] <kulelu88> superfly: if you can create an email account for me on snyman.info I can try to automate it
[19:39] <mciverza1> inetpro, mine is too. just got 10KB/s
[19:39]  * pieter2627 volunteers
[19:39] <superfly> thanks pieter2627
[19:40] <pieter2627> what is other OSS?
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: action pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: What?
[19:40] <superfly> pieter2627: Open Source Software
[19:40] <kulelu88> Basically all the other tech meetups pieter2627
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: actioned pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: Sorry...
[19:40] <superfly> bah
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: help meeting
[19:40] <Maaz> superfly: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[19:40] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[19:40] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[19:40] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[19:40] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[19:40] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[19:40] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[19:40] <pieter2627> superfly: ty, got it
[19:40] <superfly> fine.
[19:40] <superfly> Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:40] <Maaz> Agreed: pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:41] <mciverza1> what did I miss
[19:41] <superfly> <-- mciverza1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
 Maaz: agreed pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
 Agreed: pieter2627 to send a mail about reposting LUG meetings to list
[19:41] <superfly> --> mciverza1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-za
[19:42] <superfly> Next meeting type: Ubuntu Hour
[19:42]  * mciverza1 goes to check irc log
[19:42] <superfly> Anyone interested in hosting an Ubuntu Hour?
[19:42] <kulelu88> what is that?
[19:43] <inetpro> Ubuntu Hour message: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-May/011745.html
[19:44]  * pieter2627 would like an understandable def from someone who has attended one before
[19:44] <superfly> Basically, a bunch of folk go sit at a coffee shop for an hour and chat about Ubuntu, or some sort of related topic ("look what I did in Inkscape today!")
[19:44] <superfly> really informal, unplanned
[19:44] <kulelu88> like a meetup ehh
[19:45] <kulelu88> probably need 1 for GP and 1 for WC
[19:45] <superfly> basically, yes
[19:45] <pieter2627> is the point to draw the attention/interest of the the surrounding customers?
[19:45] <superfly> pieter2627: no, not necessarily
[19:45] <Kilos> yes
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <inetpro> I was looking for a page on the wiki to describe the event but haven't found anything yet
[19:45] <superfly> pieter2627: the point is to have an informal setting where people who are interested in Ubuntu can come and have a look. folks don't even need to be Ubuntu users
[19:46] <pieter2627> ok, like a live demo
[19:47] <kulelu88> I can try arranging something
[19:47] <superfly> You can do that, if you want.
[19:47] <superfly> pieter2627: ^^
[19:47] <kulelu88> But don't we do something similar on open source day?
[19:47] <superfly> I'll try to find more information on what an Ubuntu Hour entails
[19:47] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to find out more about what an Ubuntu Hour is supposed to be, and mail the list about it
[19:47] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to find out more about what an Ubuntu Hour is supposed to be, and mail the list about it
[19:48] <inetpro> superfly: we should try and get official banners and disks though... think it might help
[19:48] <mciverza1> inetpro, and make it "snappy" ;)
[19:48]  * pieter2627 rofl
[19:48] <superfly> OK, moving on
[19:48] <superfly> SFD 2015
[19:49] <superfly> mciverza1: kmf is usually involved with that. do you know anything?
[19:49] <inetpro> now this is where we really need the freebies
[19:49] <inetpro> we should have enough time until then
[19:49] <kulelu88> I vote for a tshirt over a disk
[19:50] <inetpro> maybe someone can help us print our own LoCo stuff
[19:51] <kulelu88> inetpro: money will be the issue
[19:51] <inetpro> kulelu88: you can sponsor it for us :-)
[19:51] <superfly> are we talking about SFD?
[19:52] <inetpro> superfly: indirectly yes
[19:52] <inetpro> it will be nice if we can have Ubuntu freebies for SFD 2015
[19:52] <kulelu88> heh, we can get 1 of you guys companies to sponsor it
[19:53] <kulelu88> who has a friend of a friend at FNB?
[19:53] <mciverza1> there usually are companies sponsoring SFD.
[19:53] <inetpro> last year I was helping KMF to hand out Fedora and SUSE CDs
[19:53] <mciverza1> usual suspects are Obsidian, LSD, SuSE, RedHat.
[19:54] <kulelu88> quadruple dare to ask RedHat to sponsor ubuntu disks
[19:54] <kulelu88> <3
[19:54] <mciverza1> lolz
[19:54] <mciverza1> lets ask for RasPi's
[19:54] <superfly> OK, shall we defer this to kmf till be get a better idea of what is happening at SFD this year?
[19:55] <mciverza1> superfly:I think we should try to arrange Ubu swag already.
[19:55] <mciverza1> disks, pens, USB sticks.
[19:55] <mciverza1> (coz it takes lots of time to get thru customs)
[19:55] <inetpro> superfly: I agree
[19:55] <superfly> mciverza1: OK, but is SFD confirmed yet?
[19:56] <mciverza1> oh. pertinent question. I know not.
[19:56] <mciverza1> superfly: am keen to do a Cape SFD.
[19:56]  * inetpro has lights on again
[19:56] <kulelu88> too small mciverza1 . we need this: http://www.zdnet.com/article/canonicals-cloud-in-a-box-the-ubuntu-orange-box/
[19:56] <Kilos> yay pro
[19:56] <mciverza1> kulelu88:ooh shiny.
[19:57] <inetpro> superfly: I will try talk to him asap
[19:57] <mciverza1> I'd settle for https://www.parallella.org
[19:57] <superfly> OK
[19:57] <superfly> Maaz: agreed inetpro will talk to kmf about SFD2015
[19:57] <Maaz> Agreed: inetpro will talk to kmf about SFD2015
[19:57] <kulelu88> SFD will happen. We just need to ask ubuntu to give us free stuff. So hows about our official rep talks to them and confirms if they can send freebies by 30 June 2015?
[19:57] <inetpro> Kilos: please remind me
[19:57] <Kilos> ok
[19:58] <superfly> Maaz: topic Miscellaneous
[19:58] <Maaz> Current Topic: Miscellaneous
[19:58] <superfly> Anything else?
[19:59] <inetpro> Ubuntu lanyards will count as freebies as well
[19:59] <inetpro> should even be cheap to make locally as well
[19:59] <pieter2627> two issues was mentioned for the africa site earlier today (if they count)
[20:00] <mciverza1> https and no www redirect
[20:01] <kulelu88> it's a static site, https isn't necessary
[20:01] <superfly> right. https shouldn't redirect the way it does, will chat to SubOracle. I'll add a redirect to the site to direct www to non-www
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to chat to SubOracle about https redirect of ubuntu-africa.info
[20:02] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to chat to SubOracle about https redirect of ubuntu-africa.info
[20:02] <Kilos> the https link is broken superfly  the http works
[20:02] <Kilos> https wants some certificate]
[20:02] <superfly> Maaz: agreed superfly to fix www redirect
[20:02] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to fix www redirect
[20:03] <kulelu88> Kilos: that is how it works. you need a certificate to use HTTPS
[20:03] <pieter2627> Kilos: https will be 'turned off'
[20:03] <Kilos> it worked this morning though'
[20:03] <kulelu88> you can get a Komodo cert for $1 a year I think
[20:03] <mciverza1> or wait for "letsencrypt".
[20:04] <Kilos> me trusts fly to do whats necessary
[20:05] <superfly> anything else before we close the meeting? it's been going on for an hour and a half
[20:05] <Kilos> not from me
[20:05] <mciverza1> thanks Kilos and superfly
[20:05] <kulelu88> I'm good o/
[20:05] <magespawn> not me
[20:05] <Mopkop> Just one question...
[20:05] <Kilos> thanks superfly
[20:05] <superfly> inetpro: are you going to chair next time?
[20:05] <Kilos> lol ask eskom
[20:06] <Mopkop> The mission and goals thing. Will it be discussed in the maillist?
[20:06] <mciverza1> Mopkop: who let the dogs out?
[20:06] <Kilos> and on trello Mopkop
[20:06] <superfly> Mopkop: yes... do you want to write a mail to get us started?
[20:06] <Mopkop> Lol, ok trello. superfly: I'll do that :) DV
[20:07] <superfly> Maaz: agreed Mopkop to mail list about mission, vision, etc
[20:07] <Maaz> Agreed: Mopkop to mail list about mission, vision, etc
[20:08] <inetpro> superfly: I am willing if power allows
[20:08] <superfly> Maaz: agreed inetpro to chair next meeting
[20:08] <Maaz> Agreed: inetpro to chair next meeting
[20:08] <superfly> alrighty then...
[20:08] <superfly> Maaz: end meeting
[20:08] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[20:08] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2015-05-26-18-46-24.html
[20:08] <inetpro> sorry guys, I really apologise
[20:09] <Kilos> ts not your fault inetpro
[20:09] <inetpro> and superfly, thanks again for taking over
[20:09] <mciverza1> Night all.
[20:09] <Kilos> night mciverza1  ty for coming
[20:10]  * inetpro really needs to log another call with Vodacom
[20:10] <magespawn> thanks superfly inetpro
[20:10] <inetpro> not that there's much hope that they will do anything though
[20:10] <magespawn> my bed is calling good night all
[20:10] <Kilos> night magespawn
[20:10] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:10] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:21] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[20:21]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[20:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:25] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[20:25] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[20:25] <DalekSec> Hah. :P
[20:26] <Kilos> hi DalekSec  hows things?
[20:28] <DalekSec> Howdy there.
[20:29] <stickyboy> DalekSec. ahhhhh
[20:29] <kulelu88> you're early DalekSec
[20:29] <Kilos> haha
[20:29]  * DalekSec scratches head.
[20:29] <Kilos> kulelu88  he is states side
[20:30] <kulelu88> you a murican ?
[20:31] <DalekSec> Just noticed I'd gotten a ping.  Yep.   Best I could do is offer you a meetingology clone. :P
[20:34] <DalekSec> Besides, hiding from you?  Nah I PM'd you while you were sleeeeping. :D
[20:36] <kulelu88> hey murican, you need a visa to visit this room =D
[20:38] <kulelu88> looks like I may be needing a visa to visit here **D
[20:38] <Kilos> hehe
[20:39]  * Kilos wonders if its wise to stay up to use night surfer data for upgrading
[20:39] <Kilos> bed looks so welcoming
[20:39] <Kilos> and warm
[20:40] <kulelu88> try setting up an update to run at 12.30am by itself
[20:42] <Kilos> yeah ill look at at
[20:42] <Kilos> haha
[20:48] <Kilos> oh inetpro  at wont work for upgrading will it?
[20:49] <inetpro> huh?
[20:49] <Kilos> dont say man at
[20:49]  * inetpro is lost
[20:49] <Kilos> at 00.10 apt-get upgrade
[20:49] <inetpro> oh 'at' the command?
[20:49] <Kilos> ya
[20:49] <inetpro> ai!
[20:49] <inetpro> :-)
[20:49] <inetpro> man at
[20:49] <inetpro> oops
[20:49] <Kilos> i been there
[20:50] <Kilos> it worked kiff for wget
[20:50] <Kilos> but i dunno about upgrading
[20:51]  * inetpro trying to think
[20:51] <Kilos> careful you dont break something
[20:51] <inetpro> at the office I have something that downloads updates at night
[20:51] <Kilos> cron
[20:51] <Kilos> i dont want to learn that as well
[20:52] <inetpro> no, I don't think so... was an apt-something
[20:52] <Kilos> oh /me listens
[20:52] <kulelu88> must be some small application for timed updates
[20:54] <Kilos> ai! 206mB upgrade
[20:55] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:56] <inetpro> ahh
[20:56] <inetpro> cron-apt
[20:56] <inetpro> works perfectly with Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS
[20:57] <Kilos> is it hard to setup?
[20:57] <Kilos> only an hour to midnight
[20:58] <inetpro> How can I use cron-apt to download and install updates between midnight and 5am? http://askubuntu.com/questions/193823/how-can-i-use-cron-apt-to-download-and-install-updates-between-midnight-and-5am
[20:58] <Kilos> ty lemme see
[21:00] <inetpro> also read "A short introduction to cron-apt" https://www.debian-administration.org/article/162/A_short_introduction_to_cron-apt
[21:00] <Kilos> lol
[21:03] <Kilos> na too much work, too late to think, will wait an hour
[21:05] <Kilos> internet very slow tonight
[21:06] <Kilos> haha AndChat|453921  what are you using now?
[21:16] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight