[00:00] <cyphase> anyone know why nautilus would be sorting my home directory in reversed order by modification date and not saving the order when i change it to alphabetical order?
[00:00] <Abin> I would like to create a patch for the linux 2.6 kernel... Can nyone suggest a simple topic for doing this.. I mean, area in linux kernel??
[00:01] <zykotick9> Benxyzzy: what is taking up the space?  "cd /boot" then "du -sh *"
[00:02] <Benxyzzy> zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1278075/
[00:03] <zykotick9> Benxyzzy: ? "df -h | grep -i boot" doesn't look like much used!
[00:04] <Benxyzzy> zykotick9: df -h doesn't list /boot. I should mention that I'm using whole-disk encryption, hence why the boot partition will be separate. I don't really know why it isn't appearing in df though.
[00:05] <zykotick9> Benxyzzy: best of luck.  don't reply to me further - i won't see it.
[00:05] <Benxyzzy> zykotick9:
[00:06] <wols> Benxyzzy: sudo fdisk -l
[00:06] <psusi> Benxyzzy, if df doesn't show /boot, then either you don't have one, or don't have it mounted
[00:06] <gartral> is there any way to mount a casper FS from a live persistant install and edit it?
[00:07] <Benxyzzy> wols: Don't worry, I've just realised the grave stupidity of what I've done. I should confess here that I'm very drunk. I was ssh'd into another box, uninstalling kernels over there and expecting it to fix my disk issues on my local machine.
[00:07] <BlackDalek> zykotick9, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1278077/ right now the system is running normally. Only apps open are firefox (3 tabs open) and system monitor.
[00:07] <zykotick9> gartral: if you are interested in created a custom livecd have you seen "/msg ubottu customlivecd"?
[00:08] <Dataholic> me too
[00:08] <Dr_willis> gartral,  ive mounted the casper-rw file befor via the loop method of mount. but i dont recall adding stuff just copying stuff from it.
[00:08] <zykotick9> BlackDalek: you DON'T currently have high memory usage right now.
[00:08] <gartral> zykotick9: I'm not, I had a live USB drive set up for testing a new comp that I don't have a HDD for yet, and it was working until I changed a driver and now it won't boot.
[00:09] <BlackDalek> zykotick9, yes, but after a while the memory usage will creep up to 99% and it slows to a crawl as it has to use swap space.
[00:09] <Dr_willis> gartral,  im not sure how you would mount it and remove a driver.
[00:09] <zykotick9> gartral: look for bios/boot issues then perhaps?  best of luck.
[00:09] <Dr_willis> gartral,  its possible you could use the 'text' boot option and get to a console perhaps?  then use the package manaer to remove the driver
[00:10] <gartral> Dr_willis: I do, edit /etc/modules
[00:10] <freesky77>  /EXEC rm -vf /home/freesky77/.xchat2/buduscript/tmp/budus_XDCC_1919.query
[00:10] <gartral> Dr_willis: wasn't installed using a package, I had to compile it (Wifi driver for a buggy cheap wireless adapter)
[00:10] <zykotick9> BlackDalek: well, what program is causing that?  you might want to check "top" or the improved version "htop" (not installed by default) where you can sort my memory usage and find out what's eating your memory.  if it's cache, that's a good thing - if not, then it's something else ;)
[00:10] <Dr_willis> gartral,  try mounting it as you would an iso file.  mount casper-rw /media/foo -o loop    (i think)
[00:10] <Dr_willis> !iso
[00:10] <gartral> Dr_willis: how would I get a text-only boot from a live cd?
[00:11] <gartral> it's not an iso
[00:11] <Dr_willis> gardar,  try adding the 'text' optiion to the boot options like you would for nomodeset. its weird that a wifi driver would mess up  the system from booting
[00:11] <gartral> Dr_willis: it's not an ISO or a CD.
[00:11] <Dr_willis> gardar,  its the same METHOD AS you would use for the ISO
[00:11] <gartral> Dr_willis: oh
[00:11] <zykotick9> Dr_willis: a wifi driver from source, i can believe it ;)
[00:11] <Dr_willis> the casper-rw file is ext3 filesystem also i belive
[00:12] <veryhappy> hi guys
[00:12] <Dr_willis> you may need to use the -t filesystem option also.
[00:12] <veryhappy> bekks: good that you're here. i tried it, but i failed. can you please help me on installing a vdr?
[00:12] <ns-nazri> i have GParted 0.14.0 tar file, how to install using terminal , and i have using linux 12
[00:13] <Dr_willis> sudo mount -o loop -t ext3 casper-rw /media/casper-rw      Perhaps.
[00:13] <ns-nazri> i have GParted 0.14.0 tar file, how to install using terminal , and i have using linux mint 12
[00:13] <Dr_willis> ns-nazri,  if its source you would COMPILE it.. or go find a PPA for the latest versions.
[00:13] <Treaver> Ubuntu 12.10 is going to be released in 4 days ;)
[00:13] <Dr_willis> ns-nazri,  and mint has its own support channels.
[00:14] <ns-nazri> but is same ubuntu
[00:14] <Dr_willis> ns-nazri,  and mint has its own support channels.... its NOT the same..
[00:14] <Dr_willis> !mint
[00:14] <Dijinn> Hi everyone!
[00:15] <BlackDalek> zykotick9, well anyway, usage is still crawling up.. and in a few minutes the system will be incapacitated again ;) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1278088/
[00:15] <Dijinn> !ubuntu
[00:15] <ejv> it's all debian, therefore it's all, more or less, the same.
[00:15] <Dr_willis> its all binary bits... so its all the same. ;P
[00:15] <Dijinn> I need a hand from someone that knows how to solve weird problems
[00:15] <zykotick9> ejv: very WRONG
[00:16] <Dr_willis> Dijinn,  state the issue and see who can help
[00:16] <ejv> no.
[00:16] <pablo_> hello all
[00:16] <Dijinn> I got a problem after i install Ubuntu or w/e linux in my notebook for dual boot...
[00:16] <gartral> Dr_willis: arrgh.. that mounted it read-only
[00:16] <pablo_> I have a problem with libsvn_client-1.so.ù
[00:17] <Dr_willis> gartral,  i dont recall ever writing to it. just copied some stuff from one  a few months back. You are accessing it as root>
[00:17] <Dijinn> I'm not sure if it's because I got windows 7, but after installing ubuntu i got the option to boot it on the bios...
[00:18] <pablo_> double boot with win7?
[00:18] <Dijinn> but when i tried to boot it, no success...and after reinstalling, no success either
[00:18] <pablo_> what's problem?
[00:18] <Dijinn> i got the option in the bios instead of booting the bootloaderd
[00:19] <Dijinn> and it doesnt boot
[00:19] <pablo_> u must set flag boot of a win7 partetition
[00:19] <pablo_> win7 make 2 primary partetition
[00:19] <ejv> without ever having touched mint ever, im certain i could irrevocably bend that os to my will, knowing that it's all a debian fork underneath, if you can use one you can use the other
[00:19] <pablo_> and u must set bootable the first
[00:19] <pablo_> understand
[00:19] <wangzh> list
[00:19] <Dr_willis> gartral,  checking at askubuntu.com - they dont seem to use any fancy options when mounting casper-rw
[00:20] <Dr_willis> well good luck.
[00:20] <pablo_> I had the same problem
[00:20] <Dijinn> more less...the weird thing is that my computer didnt get the bootloader for linux working...instead of it, it created a new option on my bios boot
[00:20] <Dijinn> and i cant take it out of it
[00:21] <wangzh> wow
[00:26] <hoechts> hi, how can I make the output of top to be written to a file continously without appending it to a file?
[00:26] <tyler_d> can you convert any machine to POE? or is the injection portion of this specific to hardware?
[00:26] <hoechts> i mean each time top produces an output (once a sec?) the file is written anew
[00:27] <zykotick9> hoechts: if you get an answer, let me know ;)  good luck.  i have never tried to record top's output, but it "might" be neat/handy.
[00:27] <hoechts> zykotick9, actually i do not want the output of top to be written to a file, but other programs do the same.. writing output continously
[00:28] <hoechts> zykotick9, and for those cases i'd like the file to rewritten on every update ;)
[00:31] <doomlord_> anyone know if linux can support the 'displaylink' usb monitors
[00:31] <tyler_d> !sar | hoechts
[00:31] <tyler_d> !sa
[00:32] <hoechts> tyler_d, ?!
[00:32] <tyler_d> d0h.... hoechts there is a utility called sar available in opensuse/redhat that outputs a system snapshot on a set timeline, defaulted to 15 minutes
[00:32] <tyler_d> hoechts: I will find find the appropriate link, sorry for the confusion there.
[00:33] <hoechts> tyler_d, actually, im not interested in the output of top but on similar programs like handbrake, which outputs continously
[00:34] <hoechts> but i only want the updated line to be written to the file without appending it
[00:34] <hoechts> so the file does not get blown up
[00:34] <tyler_d> hoechts: why not redirect all to stdout and use something like !tee
[00:34] <tyler_d> !tee
[00:34] <tyler_d> come on ubottu
[00:34] <hoechts> :D
[00:35] <tyler_d> man tee if you would hoechts
[00:35] <tyler_d> I'm not sure if that's what you're intending on... if not we can try again :p
[00:35] <hoechts> so top | tee myfile ?!
[00:36] <maicod> my system said my filesys wasn't clean and it appeared only to be because the date was in the future. is there a way to let it ignore this ?
[00:36] <hoechts> tyler_d, "top | tee myfile" appends all the output ;/
[00:36] <tyler_d> tee -a
[00:36] <tyler_d> do you want to see the output as well?
[00:36] <ns-nazri> can you know what mean "checking for uuid_generate in -luuid... no"
[00:37] <tyler_d> hoechts: you will want to read the manpage for tee as it is quite powerful, you can auto-increment output based on size and other params, and is specifically used in order to see the output as well as write it to a file.
[00:38] <hoechts> tyler_d, no i do not want to see the output.. i just want the output that is generated for serveral days is always truncated on each output update ;)
[00:38] <hoechts> tyler_d, the tee manpage is quite short..  less than a page ;)
[00:39] <[JJ]Albert> Steam for Linux is just around the corner. :D
[00:39] <tyler_d>               info coreutils 'tee invocation'
[00:39] <zykotick9> [JJ]Albert: that's not "on topic" for this channel, see "/msg ubottu offtopic" for details
[00:39] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, so this place has an offtopic channel too. :p
[00:39] <[JJ]Albert> Srry.
[00:41] <maicod> isnt it ubuntu-social ?
[00:42] <tyler_d> hoechts: so you may want to simply redirect the output by doing `top >> somefile.log`
[00:42] <hoechts> tyler_d, then the output of top is appended to somefile.log which is exactly what i want not to be done ;)
[00:43] <hoechts> tyler_d, as you know, top generated a new output every 1 second
[00:43] <tyler_d> hrmmm.... hoechts yes.
[00:43] <hoechts> tyler_d, now i want the output of top to be written to a file each second, while NOT appending to what was written by the last top output
[00:43] <tyler_d> what is the end goal here, sorry for my sat night ignorance
[00:43] <tucemiux> anyone knows how to symlink their Desktop to another folder? o.O
[00:44] <tyler_d> hoechts: so what's wrong with top > somefile.log
[00:44] <zykotick9> tucemiux: i'd recommend you move it, rather then use a symlink.  sorry don't remember the specifics how to do that though.
[00:44] <tyler_d> tucemiux: ln -s /path/to/desktop /path/to/symlink
[00:44] <hoechts> tyler_d, this does append to somefile.log too, because top is ONE command which continously creates output
[00:44] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i know how to create a symlink but nowadays it doesn't work no mo
[00:44] <tyler_d> hoechts: interesting... 2 secs.
[00:45] <tucemiux> tyler_d, you cant just symlink your desktop to another folder, it doesn't work that way
[00:45] <tyler_d> tucemiux: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root      root        23 Oct 13 21:45 mytempdesktop -> /home/cthompson/Desktop
[00:46] <tucemiux> tyler_d, lsb_release -a please
[00:46] <tucemiux> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[00:46] <darkelfjuggalo> I've attempted to make a USB Installer for Ubuntu and for Debian for a 64-bit machine... doing it direct or Cat command tells me the linuximage.bin is missing, Pendriveinstaller.com's writer begins the install BUT fails when attempting several steps... and unetbootin's writer ends in result of 'no boot filename received'
[00:47] <tyler_d> hoechts: that is interesting... what about batch mode for top?
[00:47] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: http://live.debian.net/
[00:47] <zykotick9> tucemiux: fyi if you're familiar with the codenames "lsb_release -sc" is a lot shorter output then "lsb_release -a"
[00:48] <hoechts> tyler_d, as I already said, i actually do not want to use top at all, but i want to solve this contiouus output problem for any program
[00:48] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, I'd prefer ubuntu if possible
[00:48] <tyler_d> hoechts: ahhhh, yes you did...
[00:48] <hoechts> tyler_d, there are several programs that continously generate output for example to let users know the current status of the program
[00:48] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: it can build any distro using a debian repository structure
[00:49] <tucemiux> zykotick9, if  dont know how to symlink it in 12.04 LTS then youre trolling on my post
[00:49] <tyler_d> tucemiux: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1278130/
[00:49] <hoechts> tyler_d, i could do a loop script with rm myfile ... but i dont like this solution
[00:49] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman: what am I looking for on this page, I'm really not familiar with it
[00:50] <tucemiux> tyler_d, you remember how you did that?  will I have to use sudo???  The current Desktop just wont go away
[00:50] <tyler_d> hoechts: I thought of that... a bit dirty and not very transportable without customization
[00:50] <tyler_d> tucemiux: ln -s /path/to/Desktop /tmp/mytestDesktop
[00:51] <hoechts> tyler_d, actually i tihnk i just live with it.. i have some TB of HDD so i can deal with big files ;))
[00:51] <tyler_d> tucemiux: what are you trying to do anyways... aside from symlink it
[00:51] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i already tried that but i'll try it again, just to satisfy your curiosity
[00:51] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/live-build and http://live.debian.net/manual-3.x/html/live-manual/toc.en.html
[00:51] <tyler_d> hoechts: that is a nasty one, I would say investigate perl or python or such to do it a bit cleaner... sorry I'm not of much help on this one.
[00:52] <tyler_d> tucemiux: I'm not curious... I did it, it worked.
[00:52] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i have my install on a SSD drive and it literally flies!  I want to store my data on a SATA hard drive though, I always put my stuff on anothert drive and the install on another drive
[00:52] <tyler_d> tucemiux: ok. so if you have always done this, why does it not work now? what is different?
[00:53] <tucemiux> tyler_d, im blind as a bat! I'm crossed eyed and you can call me a mets fan!
[00:53] <tyler_d> tucemiux: your home folder should simply show as a different partition mounted to /home/me
[00:54] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i can see it now, dont know why it wasn't working before
[00:54] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman:  is this the same as a virtual machine[the wording in the manual comes across as that]
[00:54] <tucemiux> tyler_d, well it's not really working, i M seeing a symlink called "MyDesktop" on my "Desktop" folder
[00:54] <tyler_d> tucemiux: what I just said still stands... if this is how you want it, then your home folder in its entirety should show as a different mountpoint to your other disk/partition
[00:55] <tyler_d> tucemiux: you should move your entire home folder with permissions and all to the separate drive
[00:55] <calrogman> no darkelfjuggalo, it builds a system in a chroot, then makes a bootable .iso or .img to be written to a USB drive or blank CD/DVD
[00:55] <tyler_d> tucemiux: and modify your fstab to mount that disk/partition to /home/myname on boot!
[00:56] <tucemiux> tyler_d,  youre bringing up a good point though, i've never done this before - i always opted for the easier but now it's not working o.O
[00:56] <darkelfjuggalo> oh ok
[00:56] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: if i'm re-reading your question right though, that's overkill
[00:56] <calrogman> you might have just been looking for this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
[00:56] <tucemiux> tyler_d,  now that I remember - I don't want to move my home folder because I would lost some speed
[00:57] <tyler_d> tucemiux: I'm not an expert with fstab, but I understand what you are aiming for, limited cycles of an sdd and such; I do know that the way I have outlined is documented somewhere and is the way to go.
[00:57] <tucemiux> i would **lose*** some speed
[00:57] <zykotick9> !cookie | calrogman ;)
[00:57] <tucemiux> tyler_d,  a home folder on a non SSD drive will slow me down a bit, I just want my "Desktop" folder on another drive
[00:58] <tyler_d> tucemiux: this method would still hold true for any folder within your home folder though... move that folder to the other disk and modify your fstab to mount the correct location on boot
[00:58] <tyler_d> tucemiux: jelly
[00:58] <tucemiux> tyler_d,  i can put an fstab entry for my "Desktop"?? o.O
[00:59] <tyler_d> tucemiux: your desktop is simply a folder.... like any other
[01:00] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman: what do you mean overkill? the original question that listed the ways I have attempted to make a WORKING USB installer? i've come to the chat for help a few times with little success
[01:00] <tyler_d> tucemiux: taking caution to not modify the permissions of that folder when moving it, it could be anywhere you had permission to read it.
[01:00] <cvncmfgq> i have an intel and a nvidia gpu in this laptop
[01:00] <tucemiux> tyler_d, yes but im going to /home/tucemiux, then symlinking it and "Desktop" folder refuses to symlink
[01:00] <cvncmfgq> is there a way to tell which one is "default"
[01:01] <tucemiux> drwxrwxr-x 2 tucemiux tucemiux 4096 Oct 13 20:52 Desktop
[01:01] <tyler_d> tucemiux: do this please `sudo ln -s /home/tucemiux/Desktop /tmp/tyler_dsaidputthishere`
[01:01] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: building an entire debian or ubuntu system then creating a bootable image with it will take you at least a couple of hours of your time, and possibly a couple of gigabytes of disk space if you splurge on packages.  using a prebuilt image is recommended.
[01:02] <tyler_d> tucemiux: then show me the money `ls -ltr /tmp/tyler_dsaidputthishere`
[01:02] <tucemiux> drwxrwxr-x 2 tucemiux tucemiux 4096 Oct 13 20:52 Desktop
[01:02] <tucemiux> pwd /home/tucemiux
[01:03] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: <sidebar> does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" from terminal list both of your graphics chips?
[01:03] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, I have been trying to use a pre-built image, the original question examples of previous attempts are ALL pre-built...
[01:03] <tucemiux> sudo ln -s /home/tucemiux/Desktop/ /media/drive/Folder
[01:03] <cvncmfgq> zykotick9:  yes
[01:03] <tyler_d> tucemiux: then you did not type as I said, or the permissions and ownership of /tmp/tyler_dsaidputthishere would be root:root...
[01:03] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: cool, thanks.
[01:04] <cvncmfgq> why?
[01:04] <tyler_d> tucemiux: no slash after desktop
[01:04] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: just checkin'
[01:04] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman: and the live build manual is confusing the hell out of me
[01:04] <cvncmfgq> well how does that help me?
[01:04] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: you helped me.  thanks.
[01:04] <tyler_d> tucemiux: you have typed ln -s /home/tucemiux/Desktop/ <----------lose the "/"
[01:05] <cvncmfgq> zykotick9: how did i help you?
[01:05] <cvncmfgq> is it for the developers
[01:05] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: a manual for a piece of software that builds an entire OS from lots of little bits, from lots of different possible sources, and puts it together in one of several bootable formats, tends to get a bit verbose
[01:05] <cvncmfgq> ?
[01:05] <cvncmfgq> so they know if the graphics cards are showing up
[01:06] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman ; i agree
[01:06] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: by verifying my lspci command worked for hybrid cards as i expected.  good luck with your issue, i've never personally owned/used a portable with hybrid graphics myself - but i wanted to make sure my test for hybrid graphics "worked as intended" - and you proved, it does.  so thanks again - and best of luck.
[01:06] <tucemiux> tyler_d, drwxrwxr-x 2 tucemiux tucemiux 4096 Oct 13 21:06 Desktop
[01:07] <tyler_d> tucemiux: pwd?
[01:07] <cvncmfgq> zyk ok
[01:07] <darkelfjuggalo> I just want an AMD64 iso for Ubuntu that will work properly...I need that computer for school and having no OS on it is just a waste of 700$
[01:07] <tucemiux> /home/tucemiux
[01:07] <zykotick9> cvncmfgq: you might want to see "/msg ubottu tab" in your irc client, and look for a PM from ubottu.
[01:08] <cvncmfgq> thanks
[01:08] <tucemiux> tyler_d, it keeps putting the link in "Desktop" - it refuses to replace Desktop
[01:09] <tucemiux> tyler_d, im just going to use the link on my "Desktop", I have to keep on working, thanks for the help though
[01:09] <tyler_d> tucemiux: for obvious reasons... I was of the impression that was gone... move it, don't delete it. mv Desktop Desktop.orig
[01:09] <tyler_d> tucemiux: then try again
[01:10] <tucemiux> drwxrwxr-x 2 tucemiux tucemiux 4096 Oct 13 21:09 Desktop
[01:10] <tucemiux> drwxrwxr-x 2 tucemiux tucemiux 4096 Oct 13 21:08 old_desktop
[01:10] <tucemiux> tyler_d,  /home/tucemiux
[01:11] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i dont think this window manager lets me do this, im going to call it a night, thanks either ways
[01:11] <tyler_d> tucemiux: `mv Desktop Desktop.orig ; ln -s /path/to/Desktop /home/tucemiux/Desktop`
[01:11] <Caliope> i'm curious about the find command .. if I am not root will it still find anyfile tht I name?
[01:12] <tucemiux> tyler_d, i dont think youre following me
[01:12] <tyler_d> tucemiux: from a terminal that command will work. sorry we couldn't polish it off for you.
[01:12] <tucemiux> I already did that
[01:12] <zykotick9> Caliope: only files it has permission for.  if you want to get rid of the errors use "find ... 2>/dev.null"
[01:12] <tucemiux> mv Desktop old_desktop ---> does not work!!!!!!!!!
[01:12] <tucemiux> sudo mv Desktop old_desktop.old ---> doesnt work either!!!!
[01:13] <zykotick9> s/dev.null/'dev/null'
[01:13] <tyler_d> tucemiux: what does the output say?
[01:13] <tucemiux> there is no output
[01:13] <Caliope> @darkelfjuggalo .. I converted my cheap laptop over to Ubuntu and it works fine for school ...   and zykotic .. thank you!
[01:13] <tucemiux> it creates "old_desktop" folder into my home directory /home/tucemiux, my "Desktop" folder is unfazed, not even a scratch!
[01:13] <tyler_d> tucemiux: then you are correct, I must be missing something here...
[01:14] <zykotick9> Caliope: you might want to see "/msg ubottu tab" ;)  fyi i didn't get highlighted on your post - which is a drag ;)
[01:14] <darkelfjuggalo> Caliope: Im in a Video Game Design Program, my other computers don't have the RAM to run the programs I need
[01:14] <Caliope> oh goodness, it just deleted everything ??? i guess i have to reboot with my Windows for Workgroups 3" disk set?
[01:14] <tucemiux> it looks like my window manager wont let me do it, im going to try it on another machine with gnome and see what happens, ill do that another night, good night!
[01:15] <hoechts> how can i redirect output to tail?
[01:15] <Caliope> not sure how to highlight the post .. but darkel, I bult a workstation for home and re-used everything except for the graphics and mobo and put in 16GB of ram .. seem to work pretty good
[01:16] <hoechts> i'd expect echo "asdf" | tail test to write "asdf" to test
[01:16] <hoechts> but instead tail reads test
[01:16] <hoechts> ...
[01:16] <calrogman> yes, that's what tail does hoechts
[01:16] <Caliope> i had an older box and basically gutted out the mobo and the graphic board, left everything else in side ..
[01:16] <hoechts> i'd need something like echo "asdf" | tail myoutputoftail test
[01:16] <calrogman> echo "asdf" | tee test | tail
[01:17] <zykotick9> calrogman: (i'm just joking with you - i know you're the one helping) "man tail"
[01:17] <Caliope> echo "asdf" | tail myoutputoftail test | echo "test"
[01:18] <calrogman> and now i have no idea what anybody is trying to accomplish, excellent!
[01:18] <Caliope> that's Linux .. work on it until something good comes out
[01:18] <calrogman> this describes every attempt at using sed i've ever made
[01:19] <hoechts> calrogman, well yea that kinda works, but now i still have the problem, that all the content is written to the file, which i dont want to have ;)
[01:19] <calrogman> you only want the tail written to the file?
[01:19] <zykotick9> calrogman: lol, i hate sed syntax.  but it's ubber handy sometimes (after searching online / testing / debugging ;)
[01:19] <darryl> hey i have a alienware x-51 and i just installed ubuntu 12.04.1 along side windows 7 but grub doesn't detect windows
[01:19] <hoechts> calrogman, I just would like to write the output of a program to a file whereas only the last output of the program is written to the file
[01:19] <darryl> also the display is funny, it says its at 1920x1080 resolution but it doesn't fill my screen
[01:20] <hoechts> calrogman, for example: "top" continously writes content, and i want to command line which always writes the last update (or last line) of the output to a file without appending it
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> darryl, you run sudo update-grub in ubuntu
[01:20] <calrogman> hoechts: echo "asdf" | tail | tee test ?
[01:20] <darryl> wilee-nilee: i have done that
[01:20] <darryl> os-prober doesn't detect windows
[01:20] <calrogman> not a good idea to send top's stdout through a pipe, silly things will happen
[01:20] <Caliope> darryl ... did you install Linux first or secod?  Windo$s will assert itself if installed secondly
[01:20] <darryl> i installed ubuntu second
[01:20] <darryl> i think its a issue with uefi
[01:20] <hoechts> calrogman, echo "test" | tail > test seems to work
[01:20] <hoechts> thanks
[01:21] <zykotick9> darryl: for windows, try "sudo update-grub" from terminal.  do you see windows go by in the output?  if so, reboot and it should be there.  if not - i have no idea.
[01:21] <Caliope> open grub in vim and see what it says
[01:21] <Caliope> or gedit
[01:22] <wilee-nilee> darryl, easiest way to see the whole setup is using the bootscript. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[01:23] <Caliope> that's what I used to use on my old box that had RH, Windows, BeOS and Solaris on it
[01:23] <darkelfjuggalo> Caliope: I'm not that good with the hardware and how are you running without a motherboard?
[01:23] <Caliope> no no no , I pulled the mobo and then put in a new one with an AMD64 cpu .. guess you cold run without a mobo ...not tried that yet
[01:24] <Caliope> lol
[01:24] <ryeth> anyone having issues on ubuntu not recognizing a laptop battery?
[01:24] <ryeth> i've installed all necessary drivers
[01:25] <darkelfjuggalo> lol, Caliope, how did you manage to get the iso on the AMD64...this is my first time dealing with AMD64, and it's giving me all the hell everyone has told me it would
[01:25] <darryl> hmm it shows windows boot info in the boot info script thing
[01:26] <Caliope> I downloaded the Ubuntu AMD64 distro and burned it to a DVD then booted from the DVD with the new mobo.  after it boots in the "live CD" mode, it gives you the option of installing a new OS (the 64bit distro. after that I just moved /home over and that was that
[01:27] <Caliope> darryl if you don't want windows to boot just comment out the windows boot info with **
[01:27] <Raerth> Hi people, looking for inspiration. Just rebooted and the resolution has dropped to 1080x768, I check in xrandr and it's telling my that 1080x768 is the maximum possible resolution. "System Settings" seems to incorrectly label my screen as a laptop. Any ideas how to fix this and raise my resolution?
[01:28] <Caliope> Raerth -- have you downloaded the "extra and non-canonoical video drivers?  If you've got an NVDIA dirived cGPU they you might want to try that .. There is a native NVIIA graphics adaptro ap which will help you id and fiddle the card
[01:28] <darkelfjuggalo> I can't get the install to start half the time... the one time i got it to start it failed to detect network hardware, failed to install the next 3 steps worth of information so i aborted it
[01:29] <darryl> ah ha, i think it figured it out
[01:29] <darryl> for anyone curious i found a web-page and it says this: It should automatically boot into Ubuntu. If you wish to make it boot into Windows first, simply go into the BIOS and change the Hard Drive BBS priority so Windows Boot Manager comes first.
[01:30] <Caliope> OK, darkel , anything for a fellow Juggalo ... suggest that the order of the boot precedence is backwards .. just cut and paste and put the Windopes crap down lower in the script
[01:30] <Raerth> Caliope, I have on-board graphics, no separate GPU, should I still need to try that
[01:31] <Caliope> you should try to ID the on-bord graphics adaptor chip .. but I would start by doing a sudo apt-get install the extra graphics stuff
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> darryl, Post the text from that script in a pastebin
[01:31] <hoechts> calrogman, do you know why top | tail doesnt output anything?
[01:31] <darryl> pastebin?
[01:31] <Raerth> Caliope, will give it a shot
[01:32] <Caliope> are you telling top | tail WHERE to put the output?
[01:32] <wilee-nilee> !pastebin > darryl
[01:32] <darkelfjuggalo> Caliope: you lost me...
[01:32] <calrogman> hoechts: because putting top's stdout through a pipe is not a clever thing to do, and because tail doesn't print anything until it gets an EOF
[01:32] <Caliope> Oh!  secret messages behind my back!  Oh!  LOL
[01:33] <Caliope> never mind, it's a Girl Thing
[01:33] <hoechts> calrogman, so what should i do then instead of tail?
[01:33] <calrogman> well you could just, run top...
[01:33] <hoechts> calrogman, top is just an exmaple program that continously writes content...
[01:33] <hoechts> calrogman, how about handbrake?
[01:34] <darryl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1278166/
[01:34] <calrogman> as long as the program terminates at some point, tail will do the trick
[01:34] <hoechts> calrogman, if i'd like to get to know the status of a very long handbrake command
[01:34] <hoechts> calrogman, the program terminates after probably 13 hours...
[01:34] <darkelfjuggalo> Caliope: im lost becuase I have no winblows shit available at all the computer I'm trying to put ubuntu on
[01:34] <hoechts> but i want to know the status any time
[01:35] <IdleOne> !language | darkelfjuggalo
[01:35] <calrogman> if it doesn't tell you the status then no amount of | tailing it will help
[01:35] <Caliope> well why are we talking about windblows then????  You just want to put Ubuntu's 64-bit AMD distrobution on a workstation (computer)?? is that it?
[01:35] <hoechts> calrogman, so whats your suggestion?
[01:36] <calrogman> read the handbrake manual and see if you can make it more verbose
[01:36] <Caliope> Oh!  you mean "Windblows" is bad?  Oh!  My Bad!
[01:36] <hoechts> calrogman, ? the output of handbrake does me give all the information i want
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> darryl, The key to getting tis working is the efi setup, make sure you mention this, I'm not familiar with it.
[01:36] <Caliope> How about Window$ ?
[01:36] <hoechts> calrogman, but i want to run handbrake in the background..
[01:36] <wilee-nilee> this*
[01:36] <hoechts> calrogman, and if i do so, i do not get the output i want to know from time to time
[01:36] <bazhang> !ot | Caliope
[01:36] <darkelfjuggalo> CaliopeL: yes, i don't know how we got on winblows [win 7 was on it by default but that stripped in a failed attempt at putting ubuntu on there so i have no OS on the computer at all]
[01:37] <Caliope> neway,  if you are have downloaded and burned the 64-bit ISO then just do as I recommended and boot from the live CD then execute the "lnstall system" option
[01:37] <darryl> wilee-nilee: yeah thats what i'm thinking, i'm new to efi as well, if it were normal bios i know how to fix it
[01:37] <calrogman> hoechts: then handbrake > file 2>&1 and when you want to check the status, tail -f file
[01:37] <darryl> how do you change grub from uefi mode to legacy? anyone know?
[01:38] <hoechts> calrogman, what does >&1 do?
[01:38] <ULO-Plio> Waddup fishes!? HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[01:38] <Caliope> O< if Win7 was stripped out, that's OK but it won't matter to the Live CD install .. you just tell it to do a new install and it will auto format everything, establish your HD and put in your /home, etc etc including your /sawp
[01:38] <cmdbbq> does anyone know how I would use fdisk to format an encrypted partition from an old ubuntu install? i have the data backed up, but I can't seem to get rid of it
[01:38] <doomlord_> in unity is it possible to combine expo and scale (eg show all windows from all workspaces; or better still, activating the two modes combines them like a 2 level zoom)
[01:39] <bazhang> ULO-Plio, ubuntu support question?
[01:39] <darkelfjuggalo> Caliope: I have several times... ONE install began and failed, this was created by pendriveinstaller.com ALL other attempts have told me 'linuximage.bin is missing or corrupt' OR 'no boot filename received' and exited from the installer
[01:39] <calrogman> hoechts: 2>&1 points file descriptor 2 (stderr) to file descriptor 1 (stdout), just so that if handbrake has any problems, they'll also get put in file
[01:39] <hoechts> calrogman, if i do so, ALL the output handbrake generates will be written to that file, which will let the file grow to several 100 MB
[01:40] <Caliope> I suspect that your DVD ISO is not intact .. it happens.  You should download and burn, then verify another CD -- be sure you d/l the "live" version of Ubuntu 64-bit AMD
[01:40] <ULO-Plio> bazhang: I'm planning on installing 12.04, but I was wondering if I'm going to have any issues with upgrading. I upgraded from Vista to W7, and my performance was terrible compared to a clean install and leftover files were everywhere. Will the same apply to 12.04 to 12.10?
[01:41] <ULO-Plio> I guess my question is really about whether it is safe or a good idea to install 12.04 first and then upgrade. Or should I just wait?
[01:41] <Caliope> install like there is no tomorrow .. you can auto upgrade when the times comes
[01:41] <bazhang> ULO-Plio, if you have doubts you should wait. my own upgrade went totally fine
[01:41] <darkelfjuggalo> im working on downloading that on now I think... ubuntu-12.04.1-dvd-amd64.iso
[01:42] <Caliope> personally, if I were wiping a Windows machine I would go with a complte reformat of the HD .. particularly if you have one of those proprietary machines that imbed a "rescue" sector
[01:42] <calrogman> well then don't run handbrake in the background, hoechts_
[01:42] <ScottNYC> quick question, in software updates colonical partners isnt checked by default, why is that? where are those updates coming from?
[01:43] <ULO-Plio> bahzang: thanks
[01:43] <calrogman> hoechts_: consider GNU Screen
[01:43] <hoechts_> calrogman, how shall i run handbrake not in the background when i have only access via ssh to that system and i do not want to run the ssh client 24/7 ?
[01:43] <Caliope> juggalo .. that's it .. make sure you run the checksum at the end to insure you have a complete and uncorrupted file
[01:43] <darkelfjuggalo> yea...nothing winblows is left on the machine, that includes the recovery partition
[01:43] <xangua> doomlord_: in compiz settings manager enable Scale Addons and you can zoom windows in scale view with your mouse right button
[01:43] <ULO-Plio> Caliope: Yeah, I formatted my drive when I went from Vista to W7. I ended up doing a clean install after my initial upgrade.
[01:43] <Caliope> good you have a Virgin HD then .. ready for Ubuntu to takes it's cherry
[01:44] <bazhang> !behelpful | Caliope
[01:44] <hoechts_> calrogman, wow i didnt think its that hard to write the output of a program to a file  ;-)  i guess i just deal with having a file > 300MB then
[01:44] <hash__> ok so im having trouble installing lubuntu thru the gui install is there a way that i can install thru termainal
[01:44] <Caliope> i bet you have those OT topics set into your F keys, right?
[01:45] <calrogman> or you could investigate GNU Screen, hoechts_, since just redirecting stdout isn't going to stop handbrake getting SIGHUP'd when you log out of your SSH session
[01:45] <bazhang> Caliope, stop it please
[01:45] <cmdbbq> fdisk gives me WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument.
[01:45] <Caliope> ok, I will
[01:45] <ring1> is there a way in gnome3 to center the dash vertically in the activities overview?
[01:46] <darryl> ok i fixed both of my issues, with booting and with the weird video mode
[01:46] <darryl> to fix the dual-boot problem, i installed boot-repair and it reinstalled grub and configured it correctly
[01:46] <darkelfjuggalo> bazhang, she was actually helping me...i understood her better than I have everyone else in here
[01:46] <darryl> the weird video problem, i installed the nvidia drivers from a PPA
[01:48] <chio_> what would be a good solution to scale cpu freq based on cpu temperature, prevent cpu from overheating?
[01:49] <calrogman> hoechts_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRLlsOZDX4k
[01:49] <hoechts_> calrogman, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Screen?highlight=gnu%20screen or this?
[01:49] <hoechts_> calrogman, sry its german :&
[01:50] <calrogman> hoechts_: das ist nein ...problem...
[01:50] <hoechts_> calrogman, im from germany.. was just saying sorry for sending you a german link ;)
[01:51] <calrogman> hoechts_: i idle on iz-smart.de so i've picked up a bit of the language
[01:52] <calrogman> but yes, that's what i mean by GNU Screen
[01:52] <calrogman> hoechts_: although if i'm being honest, i prefer http://tmux.sourceforge.net/
[01:59] <hoechts_> calrogman, works... the screen output is not stored endlessly?
[01:59] <hoechts_> calrogman, not that it is killing my ram...
[02:00] <hoechts_> whatever .. gn8 ;)
[02:04] <calrogman> hoechts_: it's not stored endlessly no, the scrollback buffer is configurable though, so it can be increased
[02:06] <BSmaxScript[Maxi> vener sur irc-attitude.net ou sur le site http://www.irc-attitude.net/
[02:07] <atrius> anyone know of a PPA or something that has ovirt in it?
[02:07] <bazhang> BSmaxScript[Maxi, wrong place to post that
[02:07] <BSmaxScript[Maxi> vener sur irc-attitude.net ou sur le site http://www.irc-attitude.net/
[02:07] <bazhang> atrius, launchpad has a PPA search page
[02:08] <atrius> bazhang: i'll check there, thanks :)
[02:08] <Ray2> Trying to compile a program getting this error ....checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.3... no
[02:09] <blackshirt> thats not error
[02:09] <trism> Ray2: libglib2.0-dev
[02:09] <Ray2> lots more below this saying no found
[02:10] <calrogman> Ray2: those aren't errors
[02:10] <zykotick9> Ray2: do you have build-essential installed?
[02:10] <Ray2> thanks trism
[02:10] <calrogman> Ray2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Configure_(computing)
[02:11] <Ray2> zyotick9..yes i downloaded build-essentials
[02:11] <zykotick9> Ray2: ok, just checking.  fyi, you might want to see "/msg ubottu tab".
[02:14] <darkelfjuggalo> I did md5sum on ubuntu-12.04.1-dvd-amd64.iso but I can't find some documentation telling me what the md5sum should me to verify... the md5sum.txt doesn't list the iso as a whole, just the individual component's in it
[02:18] <nydel> is there a way to just redraw the desktop / xwindows?
[02:18] <nydel> not restart but redraw
[02:21] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/precise/release/MD5SUMS
[02:31] <wangzh> I don't know.
[02:31] <lukas_> any one know how to install flash player on debian
[02:31] <lukas_> no tarballs
[02:32] <calrogman> add non-free and aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree, also ask debian questions in #debian
[02:32] <lukas_> apitue sucks why not apt-get
[02:32] <dsnyders> !hardware
[02:32] <zykotick9> lukas_: debian is ot here
[02:32] <calrogman> aptitude sucks? well thank you for that informative and detailed dissertation.
[02:33] <zykotick9> !aptitude | calrogman aptitude should be used on ubuntu
[02:33] <calrogman> lukas_: both apt and aptitude use libapt and atitude has a superior dependency resolution engine
[02:34] <zykotick9> calrogman: s/should/shouldn't/ sorry
[02:34] <xangua> zykotick9: should be or shoudn't ¿ :P
[02:34] <calrogman> well zykotick9, since lukas_ was asking about debian, he should be using aptitude
[02:34] <zykotick9> xangua: see above ;)
[02:34] <lukas_> last time i used that it messed up my computer never mind tho what url is the no free stuff
[02:34] <zykotick9> calrogman: you shouldn't be supporting debian here ;)
[02:35] <iceroot> calrogman: please dont use aptitude on ubuntu at the moment
[02:35] <iceroot> calrogman: it may break your system
[02:35] <lukas_> iceroot you are soo correct
[02:35] <iceroot> calrogman: because aptitude cant handle multiarch on ubuntu correctly at the moment and there are cases where it can break your system
[02:35] <squawk> is there a compabibility matrix for the XFX R6570 Core Edition video card with Ubuntu 11/12 ?
[02:35] <squawk> *6750
[02:35] <calrogman> like i said, iceroot, lukas_ is asking about debian, where aptitude happens to have multiarch support on unstable
[02:36] <lukas_> wht is the url fo non-free sources
[02:36] <zykotick9> calrogman: i don't think that's true!
[02:36] <calrogman> lukas_: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
[02:36] <IdleOne> debian is off topic in this channel, take the support you want to provide him to #debian
[02:36] <lukas_> ty
[02:36] <Biomechd> hey, i was just on here yesterday, but now i'm having a "low-graphics mode" issue and i can't boot to my desktop.
[02:37] <lukas_> calrogman imean what is the url i put in the list
[02:38] <calrogman> lukas_, read the sources.list manpage and go to #debian for further support
[02:38] <bazhang> lukas_, for debian?
[02:39] <lukas_> ive tried #debian they told me wait till more pople come to the chanel or go somere else an ubunt is based off debian
[02:39] <IdleOne> lukas_: That doesn't mean you come to Ubuntu for help with debian
[02:39] <bazhang> lukas_, DONT ask for debian support here
[02:40] <lukas_> k alredy got what i needed
[02:40] <calrogman> there are >1000 people in #debian, i doubt they told you to "wait until more people arrive"
[02:40] <squawk> i'm running ubuntu 11.10 i686, is there an issue with the XFX R6750 video card, or is this fixed in 12.04.1 LTS?
[02:40] <Biomechd> bazhang: i know i'm here for a different issue, but what about when your ubuntu runs .deb packages?
[02:40] <lukas_> well they did only one guy was talking thast what he said
[02:41] <dsnyders> Hi all!  I'm considering an Asus GeForce GTX650TI graphics card, and I want to know if ubuntu supports it.  Where can I find out?
[02:41] <zykotick9> Biomechd: ubuntu != debian, mint != ubuntu - derivatives are not the same as..
[02:41] <lukas_> dsy do a google search
[02:41] <calrogman> that's not helpful lukas_
[02:42] <lukas_> *dsnyders do a google search
[02:42] <calrogman> that's the sort of support you'd see in ##slackware
[02:42] <lukas_> ok
[02:42] <squawk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards
[02:42] <dsnyders> lukas_, I've been googling for the past half hour.  All I get is review sites that have links to linux related news.
[02:43] <lukas_> here ill help
[02:43] <IdleOne> hey lukas_ Why didn't you do a google search when you needed help?
[02:43] <darkelfjuggalo> ok that ISO cleared the MD5SUM check as being correct... I wrote it to my USB drive using the Cat Command, and went to run the installer 'isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt'
[02:44] <lukas_> i did for 1 hour
[02:44] <IdleOne> ah, but you assumed he didn't
[02:44] <zykotick9> darkelfjuggalo: are you using the livecd or server/alternate/mini?
[02:44] <lukas_> well sorry
[02:45] <IdleOne> lukas_: Don't tell anybody to search, if you want to help that is fine, if you don't then don't.
[02:45] <darkelfjuggalo> livedvd
[02:45] <Biomechd> how can i disable a repository source from the login terminal?
[02:45] <lukas_> k
[02:45] <darkelfjuggalo> I have tried Desktop and Alternate with the same results, I have even unetbootin 10.04 and tried that with the exact same result
[02:45] <calrogman> dsnyders: The GTX650 was released in September and Ubuntu has no major version updates to packages, so no, a GTX650 won't be supported in 12.04.  Wait until 12.10.
[02:46] <calrogman> Biomechd: read the source.list manpage, then edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <IdleOne> Biomechd: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add a # at the beginning of the line, save the file, run sudo apt-get update.
[02:46] <squawk> calrogman: what about the XFX R6750, I don't see it on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsAti
[02:47] <lukas_> hey everyone sould check this out xmonad.com
[02:47] <squawk> lukas_: darcs/xmonad is pretty sweet
[02:47] <Biomechd> yes, i get that much calrogman and IdleOne, but what's the command? i'm a GUI user, not a terminal user. my only terminal knowledge is installing/uninstalling programs so far.
[02:47] <lukas_> yay im using it right now
[02:47] <lukas_> *ya
[02:47] <calrogman> squawk: seeing as that's just a radeon 6750, in the Northern Islands family, released in October 2010, i'd expect it to work
[02:48] <IdleOne> Biomechd: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:48] <squawk> calrogman: well it spins the fan, but nothing in lspci/lshw to indicate that it was detected
[02:48] <cecy> cecy
[02:48] <Biomechd> IdleOne: and if the .list file is in sources.list.d?
[02:48] <IdleOne> Biomechd: nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/file-name
[02:49] <Biomechd> IdleOne: thanks
[02:49] <squawk> is there a specific kernel module or backport that i'll need to get it to be detected?
[02:49] <dsnyders> calrogman, Thanks for the info.
[02:50] <IdleOne> Biomechd: add sudo to the beginning of that command
[02:50] <darkelfjuggalo> seriously a day and a f'n half, I'm failing a class becuase of this da/\/\ned 64-bit processor
[02:50] <IdleOne> Biomechd: or you won't be able to save the file after editing
[02:50] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: how much RAM do you have anyway?
[02:50] <dsnyders> !nvidia
[02:50] <darkelfjuggalo> on the machine I'm working on? 8GB DDR3
[02:50] <IdleOne> darkelfjuggalo: if you can't right the word properly, don't write it at all.
[02:50] <Biomechd> IdleOne: also, i'd like to know why every site i've looked at says ctrl+alt+f1 when for me it's f2.
[02:50] <calrogman> squawk: try fglrx
[02:51] <IdleOne> Biomechd: F1- F2 same thing.
[02:51] <squawk> calrogman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI ?
[02:51] <darkelfjuggalo> IdleOne, I wrote it properly before and got a language complaint, so I thought I'd be nice
[02:51] <calrogman> squawk: ja
[02:51] <squawk> tyty
[02:52] <IdleOne> darkelfjuggalo: obfuscating swear words doesn't make them nice. Please just avoid cursing all together in here
[02:53] <squawk> actually i might have disabled the pcie video in the BIOS :\
[02:53] <calrogman> haha, excellent squawk, at least it's an easy fix!
[02:53] <darkelfjuggalo> IdleOne cursing? all I'm doing is condemning this infernal Archetecture
[02:54] <OerHeks> darkelfjuggalo, stop it.
[02:54] <lukas_> wait calrogman you are on #ubuntu and #debian
[02:54] <zykotick9> darkelfjuggalo: fyi amd64 is light years ahead of i686.  don't reply, i won't see it.
[02:54] <calrogman> lukas_: i joined at 03:40:03 (BST)
[02:55] <squawk> looks like AMD has a driver for it at http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=<IP_ADDRESS>.42&lang=English if that doesn't work
[02:55] <lukas_> calrogman so you are on both?
[02:56] <jason__> Hey, uh, my computer is kinda half-broken and now it won't let me get packages. Any help? I can post the error message if that helps
[02:56] <calrogman> yeah that tends to help jason__, use a pastebin
[02:56] <koolguydude> pastebin?
[02:56] <calrogman> !pastebin | koolguydude
[02:57] <darkelfjuggalo> amd64 is hell to work with, I never thought it would be this bad even when people told me it would be worse... Now, is everyone going to complain about my speech or is someone going to try to be productive? [calrogman and Caliope so far have been the only two remotely helping me, and someone ran off Caliope]
[02:57] <squawk> also consider wgetpaste
[02:57] <koolguydude> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1278229/
[02:58] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: ubuntu has PAE, so if you're not concerned about a process only being able to use 4 GB of RAM at a time, you can still utilise all 8 GB of RAM (with several processes) using the 32-bit install
[02:58] <lukas_> kool did you mess whit sources
[02:58] <zykotick9> calrogman: pae is a hack IMO
[02:58] <koolguydude> I'm not sure
[02:58] <calrogman> zykotick9: what isn't?
[02:58] <koolguydude> how do I reset those?
[02:59] <lukas_> one sec
[02:59] <darkelfjuggalo> you mean I can use a 32-bit install and save myself the headache?
[02:59] <calrogman> yes, if you're okay with a process only having 4 GB or addressable RAM
[02:59] <darkelfjuggalo> why is it going to take half of my ram?
[02:59] <calrogman> performance will be slightly reduced too, since you won't be utilising all of the processors features, but it'd still work
[03:00] <lukas_> here http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[03:00] <calrogman> a single process on a 32-bit system can only see 4 GB of RAM, darkelfjuggalo, but the kernel can provide access to up to 64 GB of RAM using PAE
[03:00] <dsnyders> darkelfjuggalo, 2^32 = 4G,
[03:00] <squawk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension#Page_table_structures
[03:01] <Enchilada> the latest version of apache on Ubuntu 10.04 (my machine) is 2.2.14
[03:01] <calrogman> dsnyders: 2^32-1 ;)
[03:01] <Enchilada> How can I find out the latest apache version on Ubuntu 12, without upgrading?
[03:01] <lukas_> just do top ones Main - Officially supported software. ?
[03:01] <lukas_>  Main Sources Repository
[03:01] <lukas_>  Restricted - Supported software that is not available under a completely free license. ?
[03:01] <lukas_>  Restricted Sources Repository
[03:01] <lukas_>  Universe - Community-maintained, i.e. not officially supported software. ?
[03:01] <FloodBot1> lukas_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:01] <lukas_>  Universe Sources Repository
[03:01] <calrogman> Enchilada: check http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:01] <zykotick9> !info apache2 lucid | Enchilada yes it is
[03:02] <Biomechd> IdleOne and calrogman, thanks for the help.
[03:02] <darkelfjuggalo> it seems to be my only option aside from returning to winblows...but i need ALL of my RAM in order to use the programs I need for school...
[03:03] <dsnyders> darkelfjuggalo, Just curious... have you looked into virtual machines?
[03:03] <lukas_> vbox is best
[03:03] <Enchilada> fuuu i need apache 2.3.10
[03:03] <Enchilada> that's not in 12
[03:03] <dragomir> howdy everyone - i just installed ubuntu 12.04 on my mac 8,1 and I am loving it! I am having some issues with the touchpad and was wondering if someone can help me.
[03:04] <dragomir> The major concern is I want to disable the three button mouse window drag.
[03:04] <dragomir> How can I do this?
[03:04] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: just noticed something important: USB devices use El Torito emulation to allow you to boot cd images from them.  DVD images are structured differently.  Try using the CD .iso instead of the DVD .iso
[03:04] <darkelfjuggalo> dsnyders : my school requires Winblows, i hate it, I was going to Virtual Machine that on my Linux so i don't have to maintain antivirus BS
[03:04] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: using a virtual machine you could use snapshots to revert to a known good state, no need for an antivirus in a VM
[03:05] <darkelfjuggalo> Calrogman ; DVD iso is how I use my debian on the same flash drive [I store DVD 1 of the complete set, and run that like I would a Netinstall]
[03:05] <darkelfjuggalo> Calrogman: I know thats whay I want to VM the Winblows rather than my linux
[03:06] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: how exactly are you copying the DVD image to the USB drive?
[03:06] <calrogman> as in, which commands are you running
[03:07] <squawk> dragomir: is this what you're looking for: http://mac.linux.be/content/tuning-ubuntu-macintosh-key-mapping-and-3-mouse-button-emulation-0
[03:07] <dragomir> perfect!
[03:08] <dragomir> thanks squawk!
[03:08] <squawk> np
[03:09] <Nautilus> for PHP debugging and web dev (sass/compass) I'm thinking of NetBeans ... seem reasonable?
[03:09] <squawk> error debugging or performance profiling?
[03:09] <darkelfjuggalo> With Debian[x86], I just Cat .iso > USB_Drive ... with Ubuntu i have cat .iso > USB_Drive [Result: isolinux.bin missing or corrupt], I have unetbootin [Result: isolinux.bin missing or corrupt] and I have pendriveinstaller [result: begin installation>Fail to detect networking hardware>Fail consecutive steps up to and including software install]
[03:11] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: try using `dd if=.iso of=/dev/USB_Drive` and if that doesn't work, use the CD image
[03:11] <Tasmania> I'm really starting to love ubuntu! :D
[03:11] <darkelfjuggalo> someone suggested that earleir and lost me
[03:12] <squawk> darkelfjuggalo: at which part?
[03:12] <Tasmania> Especially the fact that I can edit my own shell script. :D
[03:12] <darkelfjuggalo> ok they just said to 'dd' and gave no instruction beyond that
[03:13] <squawk> dd is a shell command designed to run in gnome-terminal (or your preferred terminal)
[03:13] <squawk> the basic syntax is dd if=SOURCE of=DESTINATION
[03:13] <calrogman> don't get those the wrong way around, or it will destroy your data
[03:13] <squawk> ^
[03:14] <squawk> a good way to remember is if (in file), of (out file)
[03:14] <calrogman> that's exactly why they're called if and of
[03:15] <squawk> there's nuances beyond those two arguments for various purposes
[03:15] <squawk> but you shouldn't need to mess with any other options
[03:15] <darkelfjuggalo> will DD reformat the drive before installing?
[03:15] <darkelfjuggalo> before writing^
[03:15] <squawk> no
[03:15] <dragomir> squawk thanks for the info but didnt quite do it
[03:16] <dragomir> trying to disable third button option
[03:16] <darkelfjuggalo> just write over the existing file?
[03:16] <dragomir> hate that my fingers get lazy and end up moving windows around
[03:16] <calrogman> it'll totally replace the MBR of the disk, so that's not a concern darkelfjuggalo
[03:16] <darkelfjuggalo> ok kool
[03:16] <squawk> it won't 'wipe' the drive
[03:16] <dsnyders> darkelfjuggalo, if you're trying to put a bootable linux on a USB, I suggest looking at the pendrivelinux site.
[03:17] <darkelfjuggalo> dsynders : I did pendriveinstaller earlier [result: begin installation>Fail to detect networking hardware>Fail consecutive steps up to and including software install]
[03:17] <squawk> dragomir: you may have to play around with `xev` to find the correct keycode, then mess with sysctl.conf given the context of the entries on that page
[03:18] <squawk> it's not by any means a 'fix'
[03:18] <agrestringere> whats up Ubuntu people...have a question I have three partitions on my hard drive and would like to install TWO Ubuntu versions so I can have a totally different self contained system running Unity and then a totally self contained system running XFCE so that they stay out of each others way...I want my partitions to look like this [WinXP][Ubuntu Unity][Ubuntu XFCE][swap]
[03:19] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: here's a (slightly doctored) transcript of me writing a .iso to a usb drive: http://paste.debian.net/plain/200149
[03:19] <agrestringere> so how do I do this?
[03:19] <squawk> agrestringere: very carefully
[03:19] <squawk> install windows first
[03:19] <calrogman> or second
[03:19] <calrogman> just not last
[03:19] <agrestringere> Windows and Xubuntu (XFCE) done
[03:20] <agrestringere> I'm just wondering about the third
[03:20] <squawk> IME windows overwrites the bootloader
[03:20] <calrogman> it does squawk
[03:20] <agrestringere> squawk, I learned this the hard way this weekend...:-)
[03:20] <dsnyders> darkelfjuggalo, ah... that sucks.  I've always had pretty good luck with the pendrivelinux stuff.
[03:20] <squawk> ow
[03:21] <agrestringere> Had to start from scratch, so now I want to install the final system the Ubuntu 12.04 running Unity to the last partition...[Windows][Ubuntu???][Xubuntu]
[03:22] <agrestringere> How do I do this?
[03:22] <calrogman> again, carefully
[03:22] <squawk> you might consider running virtualbox on winxp
[03:22] <darkelfjuggalo> umm is Sync a required command in the writing to finalize it?
[03:23] <agrestringere> Virtual box and Unity don't play well in my experience which is why I'm going this crazy way of doing it
[03:23] <squawk> darkelfjuggalo: shouldn't be, dd is a direct block-level copy utility
[03:23] <calrogman> i'd advise you run the sync, darkelfjuggalo
[03:23] <squawk> couldn't hurt
[03:23] <calrogman> else you might end up removing the usb drive before the IO cache is flushed
[03:24] <darkelfjuggalo> ok can I run the sync after it's written[mid-process already]
[03:24] <squawk> ooo good point
[03:24] <calrogman> yes, and you don't need to be root to run it
[03:24] <calrogman> any user can sync, since it's totally safe
[03:24] <darkelfjuggalo> ok just '$ sync' to do it?
[03:24] <squawk> yep
[03:25] <darkelfjuggalo> i wonder is lack of sync was my problem when I used cat?
[03:25] <calrogman> doubt it
[03:26] <agrestringere> calrogman: what can I do?
[03:26] <squawk> openbox?
[03:26] <squawk> vmware player
[03:26] <calrogman> agrestringere: install windows first, using the partitioner in the install disk to leave lots of free space at the end of the disk
[03:27] <calrogman> once you've installed windows, fire up the ubuntu installer, and during the partitioning stage, again, leave free space at the end
[03:28] <calrogman> then start installing xubuntu and have that occupy the free space that's left
[03:28] <squawk> occupy the space! free the mallocs()!
[03:29] <agrestringere> carlrogman: did that, and also installed  the Xubuntu so it looks like this currently [Windows][--------][Xubuntu][swap]
[03:29] <calrogman> install ubuntu in the free space then agrestringere
[03:29] <lukas_> http://www.google.com/imgres?q=toaster+computer&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1278&bih=710&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=gHE6ZTfQRxvL3M:&imgrefurl=http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/08/04/frakkin-computer-toasters/&docid=1sa80FcaiUm1RM&imgurl=http://www.ohgizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/toasterpc_2.jpg&w=450&h=338&ei=QzF6UOOBOYyCrQGe8oH4DA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=199&vpy=155&dur=926&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=114&ty=121&sig=113197692062506701461&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=217&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t
[03:29] <squawk> whoa
[03:29] <lukas_> sorry
[03:29] <squawk> at least that was 1 line
[03:29] <lukas_> did not know it was that long
[03:30] <mneptok> long or not, it's offtopic
[03:30] <lukas_> so?
[03:30] <mneptok> !ot
[03:30] <bazhang> lukas_, so dont post it here
[03:30] <lukas_> o..k
[03:31] <agrestringere> calrogman: but how do I do that with the installer?  Do I a) Choose that empty partition then b) select "mount / here" c) then say "install boot partition to the sda where the empty space is?"
[03:31] <kindrudekid> can any one help me with Ubuntu Socftware center?
[03:31] <bazhang> lukas_, this is support ONLY
[03:31] <kindrudekid> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/11f4f8/cannot_redeem_my_old_humble_indie_bundle_on_usc/
[03:31] <agrestringere> btw lukas_: sick.
[03:31] <agrestringere> The toaster thing is awesome
[03:31] <squawk> yes, it is, but alas, #ubuntu-offtopic pls
[03:32] <agrestringere> Put that in the kitchen and drill the monitor into a wall....[last comment on subject]
[03:32] <Nautilus> is there a command line way to launch the GUI version of aptitude? Not the command line text-based GUI, the graphic one
[03:32] <robertzaccour> When I install fglrx driver, it zooms out my screen. By that I mean it shrinks my display leaving about a half inch of black between the edge of the picture display and the bevel of the monitor. any suggestions?
[03:32] <squawk> Nautilus: update-manager ?
[03:32] <kindrudekid> install synaptic
[03:32] <squawk> or ya synaptic
[03:32] <robertzaccour> Is it possible to scale the display?
[03:32] <blackshirt> nautilus, aptitude-gtk
[03:32] <kindrudekid> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:32] <robertzaccour> Is display scaling possible in Ubuntu?
[03:33] <kindrudekid> http://i.imgur.com/mu33c.png
[03:33] <kindrudekid> why m i getting this?
[03:34] <Nautilus> oh, I think synaptic is what I wanted - might have asked the wrong Q
[03:35] <squawk> alright ladies and germs, here goes 11.10 -> 12.04.1 LTS, hopefully will be back shortly
[03:35] <ejv> i went from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS
[03:35] <ejv> what a mistake that was...
[03:35] <squawk> :\
[03:36] <Vernon> How do I increase the resolution to 1366x768, my laptop's max resolution in windows with 12.04. xrandr results: http://pastebin.com/14EiFXNK
[03:36] <Vernon> Integrated i3 graphics.
[03:36] <Vernon> 2nd gen
[03:36] <blackshirt> ejv, i think ubuntu was not rolling release distro, and you would get some troubles if you trying to do that
[03:36] <darkelfjuggalo> -.- can someone direct me to the CD images...
[03:37] <ejv> well, here's the thing, it turns out the stock kernel that was shipped with 12.04.0 carried a pretty fatal md-raid bug. it wrecked my storage array.
[03:37] <blackshirt> darkelfjuggalo,  a lot of places available for you
[03:37] <Vernon> darkelfjuggalo: for which "flavor"?
[03:37] <squawk> ejv: mdadm ?
[03:37] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: they're all available from ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[03:37] <ejv> yes
[03:38] <squawk> tis why i prefer hw raid if possible, lsi/3ware is pretty dandy for my raid10
[03:38] <squawk> but only if there's a bbu, write cache disabled
[03:38] <ejv> i was able to reconstruct it, it's fixed in 12.04.1, but I was unlucky and upgraded too early. lesson: if it's not broke, don't upgrade. :)
[03:38] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: ftp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/precise/release/
[03:38] <ejv> i didn't lose anything, just a big hassle.
[03:38] <squawk> also backups
[03:39] <squawk> btw guys, if you use ddr3 ram
[03:39] <squawk> best buy has 4G DDR3 sticks on sale for $14
[03:39] <SageX> hey mauwk
[03:40] <SageX> lol the south georgia (usa) heat fried my asus p6t
[03:40] <squawk> SC ain't much better
[03:40] <SageX> I got property in that fine country
[03:41] <SageX> speaaking of sc who won that game tonight
[03:41] <nydel> anyone know how to add skype support to pidgin
[03:41] <darkelfjuggalo> nothing is labeled CD...
[03:41] <Nautilus> Does this seem like an appropriate install for a sass/compass environment I believe it also includes the required ruby stuff):  sudo apt-get install libcompass-ruby1.8
[03:41] <squawk> dunno didn't watch
[03:42] <SageX> lsu won the game
[03:42] <squawk> ^ figures
[03:42] <SageX> 23-21
[03:42] <squawk> ok guys, reboot time
[03:42] <SageX> later squawk
[03:42] <squawk> brb.. hopefully
[03:43] <ProfOak_> My friend is having an error with her sudoers file. It says there's an error in one of the lines. I read that the su account is disabled in ubuntu. Is this true? Is there a way to fix the sudoers file or does she need to reinstall?
[03:43] <robertzaccour> Is display scaling possible in Ubuntu? I have a black border around my screen when installing flgrx drivers
[03:43] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: http://mirror.sov.uk.goscomb.net/ubuntu-releases//precise/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:43] <robertzaccour> *fglrx
[03:43] <darkelfjuggalo> that was the FIRST iso i used
[03:43] <SageX> threw out the last of my hard drives
[03:44] <SageX> live cds all the way
[03:44] <V13Axel> I changed from an Nvidia card to an ATI card that doesn't support FGLRX, and I was wondering how to manually enable the Radeon drivers or an equal alternative.
[03:46] <janat08> hi
[03:46] <ProfOak_> Nevermind, I forgot you don't need a password if you jump on a liveCD.
[03:47] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman : I have this exact iso already saved...
[03:47] <janat08> is it possible to create live from your OS (create an image of your booted OS)
[03:47] <janat08> *live cd
[03:47] <Nautilus> in synaptic I see libcompass-ruby and libcompass-ruby1.8 ... why two? How to decide what to do?
[03:47] <squawk> yey
[03:47] <squawk> so, it wasn't disabled, but it wasn't the default either
[03:48] <squawk> so ubuntu 12.04.1LTS is now booted with the primary video as the new card in the BIOS, but the DVI cable is plugged into the onboard video port, so calrogman am I right in assuming that it should be detected?
[03:50] <calrogman> squawk: if it's using the discrete graphics card, the onboard DVI port will not be enabled
[03:50] <robertzaccour> Is display scaling possible in Ubuntu? I have a black border around my screen when installing fglrx drivers
[03:50] <calrogman> well, it could be, if you wrote a xorg.conf to handle it
[03:50] <janat08> is it possible to create live cd from your OS (create an image of your booted OS)
[03:51] <V13Axel> janat08: Yes, there is a way. It's called remastersys, google it.
[03:51] <squawk> does fglrx have such a facility (like nvidia-xconfig for nVidia cards)
[03:52] <penguinman> amdcccle is the equivalent for ati cards
[03:52] <penguinman> shows as catalyst control center in the menus
[03:55] <squawk> amd-driver-installer-12-9-beta-x86.x86_64.run so i am running this to install the driver, and it gives me "Your graphics adapter is not supported by this driver.  Installation will not proceed"
[03:55] <squawk> ah
[03:55] <squawk> answered my own question
[03:56] <MonMotha> is there a way to convince the netinst to pull packages (specific ones or everything - doesn't really matter) from proposed when installing the base system?  I'm suffering from a bug in eglibc that causes a crash during that process but which is known to be fixed in -proposed. (installing precise)
[04:01] <lukas_> hey
[04:09] <zykotick9> MonMotha: 1) it's mini, not netinstall (netinstall is debian) 2) re proprosed from mini - i hope not.  proposed should be used ONLY when needed, not for everything in that repo.
[04:10] <Nautilus> in synaptic, what does it mean when there is an ubuntu logo next to a package name?  It's in the default ubuntu repo?
[04:10] <MonMotha> zykotick9: yes, the mini, sorry (I'm used to Debian).  And I do need to install at least eglibc from -proposed during the base system install, though yes I would rather not bring in everything.
[04:11] <zykotick9> MonMotha: i hope you have reported a bug.  best of luck man.
[04:11] <MonMotha> zykotick9: the bug is known and fixed in -proposed, which is why I want to install eglibc from -proposed
[04:16] <CrazyGir> resolv.conf notes that it is autogenerated and not to edit it directly. the man page doesn't mention anything about this, unless I overlooked. who is autogenerating resolv.conf and how can you add details to include?
[04:20] <Vernon> Does anyone know anything about an intel i810 fails to support SMP issue?
[04:21] <Vernon> Ubuntu 12.04, fully up-to-date.
[04:23] <crimsonmane> So I'm reading reviews on motherboards on newegg, specifically a Gigabyte mobo, that constantly mention usb ports not working until you fetch the drivers using another computer and am wondering if that's a MS-Windows problem only, or if the same issue would exist with linux. Any thoughts? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544
[04:24] <Vernon> crimsonmane: Hopefully, it should "just work".
[04:25] <crimsonmane> hopefully. In a perfect world, they withheld the drivers from MS and laughed about it... but if they're generally not providing code to anyone, then I imagine the problem is universal.
[04:25] <creede> crimsonmane, I just got a different Gigabit mobo from Newegg last week and the USB drivers just worked straight out of the box on 12.04LTS.
[04:25] <crimsonmane> awesome creede
[04:26] <creede> I've never heard of any USB chip that needed a proprietary driver to work, but first time for everything, I guess.
[04:26] <crimsonmane> yes it's strange.
[04:26] <Vernon> Agreed.
[04:26] <crimsonmane> i think it's usb3.0 maybe? perhaps they were xp users.
[04:27] <crimsonmane> creede: are we reading "gigabyte" and thinking that's the same as "gigabit"?
[04:27] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, you here?
[04:28] <creede> Yeah I meant Gigabit - sorry about that :-)
[04:29] <creede> or Gigabyte, whichever, hold on
[04:29] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo
[04:30] <creede> At least I wasn't misspelling "MSI" :-)
[04:30] <crimsonmane> :)
[04:30] <creede> Here's the link to the mobo I got: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519
[04:30] <crimsonmane> oh you're an AMD fan
[04:31] <creede> I wouldn't say "fan" necessarily, although I like AMD processors just fine. This just happened to be part of a Shell Shocker deal bundled with a 6 core Bulldozer CPU
[04:32] <ivy> How can I tell which graphics driver is installed?
[04:32] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman,  yea... so with that file you have me download, i already had it, but I downloaded again... error with the download[not a message i got the first time] I used the first download and dd to the usb drive... this time no issue with isolinux.bin but still 'no boot filename received'
[04:33] <stef_> Hi!
[04:33] <LOWLT> I'm new to linux and trying to setup a SSH tunnel can anyone help?
[04:33] <calrogman> sorry darkelfjuggalo, i have no idea what's wrong and can't help you
[04:33] <crimsonmane> creede: yeah i'm looking at this 125w eight core cpu in the suggested products below your mobo.... drooling
[04:33] <creede> ivy: as root run lshw and look for the entry that describes your video card. It should list the driver.
[04:33] <stef_> Can anyone help with what the SSH command is to log in from one comp to another DLAN
[04:33] <stef_> WLAN*
[04:34] <creede> crimsonmane, That's the one I wanted but I got a good deal on its little brother. CPU/mobo/case/PS/8GB memory for $300
[04:34] <crimsonmane> stef_: "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:34] <crimsonmane> i'm not sold on 125 watts yet.
[04:34] <stef_> Thank you crimsonmane
[04:34] <simplew> when in nautilus i enter in /run directory it says i have 1.7GB free, but /run isnt in separate partition, and i have 11GB free in root, so why is saying thats only 1.7GB when entering in /run ??? any hint?
[04:35] <darkelfjuggalo> any clue what I could be missing?
[04:35] <creede> Mine runs 95 watts. It's running below 40 deg. C, fully loaded and not even breaking a sweat - chromium, thunderbird, a couple of ham radio programs that are doing FFTs and of course xchat
[04:36] <crimsonmane> i'm building a mid-level gaming system for the wife. she's got a 95watt intel cpu and i wanted to decrease the watts.
[04:37] <creede> simplew, run is a separate type of virtual file system that has nothing to do with how much room is free on your HD.
[04:37] <creede> crimsonmane, I should have bought two of these. My wife is using an ancient system to run WIn7 and it is constantly giving her grief.
[04:37] <stef_> How do you chat within SSH
[04:37] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: try using UNETBOOTIN to create your bootable usb or cd
[04:38] <crimsonmane> creede: you can have this old mobo/cpu when i'm done with it
[04:38] <creede> stef_, ssh is just a way of connecting. Once you connect to the other computer and have a prompt, you can use whatever chat program is on the other computer to chat.
[04:38] <simplew> creede: /run is in swap ?
[04:38] <crimsonmane> stef_: that's not what ssh is for
[04:39] <stef_> How do you chat using SSH command line in terminal MAC OS X
[04:39] <darkelfjuggalo> I did... I've tried the 10.04 on file for unetbootin, I've tried the file your just had me install, and I've tried Debian 6.0.6 all have the isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt error
[04:40] <creede> simplew, I think it lives in memory which means it could end up in swap. Maybe. I'm a bit fuzzy on how /run works.
[04:40] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: are you doing this from a microsoft computer?
[04:40] <creede> crimsonmane, send it right over, I'll figure out something to do with it.  I usually just use something like brasero but I think there's a switch you can send to the CD to speed up the burning speed.
[04:43] <calrogman> that doesn't matter much darkelfjuggalo
[04:44] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman you asked if i was using a windows machine
[04:44] <simplew> creede: yes there is, the bs flag but i dont know which would be the most apropriated value
[04:44] <Dataholic> is there an App on ubuntu to remove/uninstall packages installed by default? i would like to trim down my installation
[04:44] <calrogman> dd and unetbootin are the same on Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Windows, NetBSD...
[04:44] <calrogman> actually, i'm not sure unetbootin is on the BSDs
[04:44] <simplew> calrogman: i hate unetbootin
[04:44] <calrogman> but if it is, it works the same
[04:44] <calrogman> as do i simplew
[04:45] <creede> Dataholic, you can do that with synaptic, but you have to be careful you don't uninstall something you actually need
[04:45] <simplew> i used bs=1M and its already burned 1GB
[04:45] <celthunder> calrogman: why not just use dd..much better than unetbootin
[04:45] <calrogman> they do different jobs celthunder
[04:46] <unsobill> is there free online chess game in ubuntu ?
[04:46] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman ; either way, my AMD64 refuses to recognize a linux installer
[04:46] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: put the HDD into another computer, install linux, update the system completely, then return the HDD to the original computer.
[04:46] <Dataholic> creed: thanks creed, i tried to install ubuntu by using the minimal iso, and repack the iso with remastersys, but the image grows to 3GB on my vmware workstation
[04:46] <calrogman> your arcitecture doesn't matter much either, really
[04:47] <darkelfjuggalo> it's a laptop that i just bought yesterday
[04:47] <calrogman> amd64 is just i386 with bigger words and more opcodes
[04:47] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: same solution
[04:47] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: which ISO did you download, 32bit or 64 bit?
[04:47] <darkelfjuggalo> 64 bit
[04:47] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: try 32bit
[04:47] <calrogman> and unetbootin isn't on the BSDs, i've concluded
[04:47] <poedragonwarrior> hello, I cannot get Ubuntu to boot on a new system build
[04:47] <poedragonwarrior> nothing I do seems to work
[04:48] <darkelfjuggalo> i was told i could use 32 bit but i lose half of my RAM
[04:48] <creede> Dataholic, in that case I'd just reinstall with a minimal system from the alternate CD and then just install the apps you really need. But if you do that you may pull in a lot of unexpected libs and the like that could balloon your install over 3GB
[04:48] <calrogman> you don't lost half your ram darkelfjuggalo
[04:48] <poedragonwarrior> darkelfjuggalo, lies pae uses up to 64 gig of ram
[04:48] <creede> (example: installing any X application pulls in all of Ubuntu's X libraries)
[04:48] <calrogman> what happens is that a single process can only have 4 GB of RAM to itself
[04:48] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: are you sure that your cpu is 64 bit?
[04:48] <poedragonwarrior> it is a UEFI system from asrock, secureboot disabled yadda yadda yet it will not boot
[04:49] <darkelfjuggalo> when trying to make a USB installer for ubuntu on the win 7 that was originally installed... it automatically pulled 64 bit
[04:50] <poedragonwarrior> there will be an update to pae to enable up to 128gb of ram because there is so little difference between 32 bit and what people refer to as 64 bit (which in reality is only 38 bit dwords running in a 48bit enviornment) 32 bit runs 32 bit dwords in a 48 bit enviornment so all you actually see is a 10-20% speed increase in best case scenarios
[04:50] <poedragonwarrior> in fact real 64 bit hasnt been used since 2001
[04:51] <poedragonwarrior> in most cases you will see performance actually decrease in 64 bit mode
[04:51] <poedragonwarrior> since the dwords being written to the ram have to be twice the size
[04:51] <crimsonmane> the only bonus to 64bit was supposed to be execution prevention
[04:52] <SwedeMike> 64 bit mode isn't about speed increase, it's to get application to be able to address more than 2 gigs of ram (single process)
[04:52] <poedragonwarrior> which is coming to 32
[04:52] <poedragonwarrior> wrong again
[04:52] <crimsonmane> yeah hi offtopic
[04:52] <poedragonwarrior> because 32 bit applications can run in 4gbs of ram
[04:52] <creede> My new system upgraded a single 1.8GHz 32 bit processor to six 3.8GHz 64 bit cores so yeah I saw a performance increase :-)
[04:52] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: `if grep 'flags.*lm' /proc/cpuinfo > /dev/null; then echo 64-bit; else echo 32-bit; fi`
[04:52] <darkelfjuggalo> i've always been told 64-bit is a pain in the A**...and it's proven to be
[04:53] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, what is that?
[04:53] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: the 32-bit installation media wouldn't work for you either i'd bet
[04:53] <poedragonwarrior> once you get beyond real bit addresses you can run in 6-8gb even if you dont specify def(0)~(9)
[04:53] <calrogman> it's a way to check if your processor actually has 64-bit support, darkelfjuggalo
[04:53] <creede> darkelfjuggalo, I've been running 64 bit Ubuntu on my laptop for about 4 years and I haven't had any problems. But of course YMMV
[04:53] <poedragonwarrior> right
[04:53] <poedragonwarrior> 32 bit mode for usage of older hardware
[04:53] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: and what do you mean by "upgrade", I have been running PAE for 3-4 years already.
[04:54] <poedragonwarrior> SwedeMike, in the kernel it will be enabled to see 128 and 256gb of ram
[04:54] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, are their variables in that code or can't i just C&P it?
[04:54] <SwedeMike> darkelfjuggalo: 64bit used to be a problem, it now works much better. http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/linux_32v64
[04:54] <poedragonwarrior> atm pae is limited to 64gb of ram then it doubles back
[04:54] <calrogman> you can C&P it darkelfjuggalo
[04:55] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: it already supports 64 gig so I don't think most people have a problem with that anyway. And if you have that kind of machine you should run 64bit because then it's probably because you have applications that need to address a lot of memory.
[04:55] <creede> 64gb should be enough for anybody. Or was that 640K? I forget. :-)
[04:55] <poedragonwarrior> really because a lot of older apps refuse to run in a 64 bit linux enviornment even if the 32 bit libs are there
[04:55] <darkelfjuggalo> output: 64-bit
[04:56] <poedragonwarrior> SwedeMike, again not true I use a lot of virtual machines that use 3gb of ram each say I want to run 4 and still have the OS available to me
[04:56] <calrogman> darkelfjuggalo: as expected
[04:56] <calrogman> "64-bit Linux allows up to 128 TB of virtual address space for individual processes, and can address approximately 64 TB of physical memory, subject to processor and system limitations."
[04:56] <jagginess> poedragonwarrior, if they're not from your package manager and need dynamic dependendencies, you'll have to manually install them
[04:56] <jasonwilliams78> Does anyone know how to crack WPA
[04:56] <poedragonwarrior> right
[04:56] <jagginess> poedragonwarrior, multiarch, look for i386 in the package names (on 64 bit)
[04:57] <poedragonwarrior> right if in PAE you dont specify physical memory you can run unlimited in virtual memory
[04:57] <V13Axel> I changed from an Nvidia Geforce 8400GS to an ATI Radeon X800 GTO, and upon removing the Nvidia drivers, I got a nonfunctional X configuration. I was wondering how one would activate the Radeon driver manually?
[04:57] <LOWLT> crimsonmane,  Im trying to setup a SSH tunnel like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1882799 but in linux instead of Copssh on windows
[04:57] <kczero> don't get that, what was the point of echo? you can echo anything and the output would be what is displayed. Sorry I'm not involved in the conversation, but I'm curious what was the point of that.
[04:57] <poedragonwarrior> jagginess, ive been a Linux user for a lot longer than most in here
[04:57] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: let me get this straight. you're advocating people to not run 64bit at all?
[04:57] <darkelfjuggalo> so how do i pae a 32-bit iso?
[04:57] <poedragonwarrior> pretty much its not needed
[04:57] <jagginess> poedragonwarrior, multiarch hasnt been out that long.. you should get acquainted with it
[04:57] <calrogman> the stock ubuntu kernel has PAE darkelfjuggalo
[04:58] <calrogman> yeah, poedragonwarrior, it's so not needed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y2K38_bug
[04:58] <poedragonwarrior> I advise against having anything to do with this lie that is advertised as 64 bit because it is not 64 bit
[04:58] <jasonwilliams78> gain remote access WEP via command line interface?
[04:58] <SwedeMike> darkelfjuggalo: it used to be that you had to install a different version of the kernel, but you don't anymore.
[04:58] <darkelfjuggalo> so, if I just make a 32-bit ISO installer it should run fine?
[04:58] <jagginess> jasonwilliams78, wep isnt secure, use minimally wpa2
[04:58] <calrogman> poedragonwarrior, i fear you are misinformed
[04:58] <celthunder> LOWLT: what's the problem with your ssh tunnel
[04:59] <poedragonwarrior> no I am not as "64" is actually 38 bit dwords running in 48bit memory addresses piped down to a 16bit x86 architexture
[04:59] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: well, let me just on the record say that I don't agree with you, saying 64bit isn't needed. I'd agree that "it depends", but saying it's not needed it bull. There are people who need it.
[04:59] <jasonwilliams78> jagginess, crack wpa via command line interface terminal mac os x?
[04:59] <V13Axel> !offtopic
[04:59] <poedragonwarrior> unless you have UEFI, your 64 bit system is being funnled through old 16 bit real address memory
[05:00] <calrogman> what on earth is a 36-bit dword?
[05:00] <calrogman> a dword is by definition 32-bit
[05:00] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: now you're just trolling. you seem to lack the understanding of the different modes a modern x86 processer works in.
[05:00] <poedragonwarrior> processor, not bios
[05:00]  * jagginess ignores poedragonwarrior
[05:01] <poedragonwarrior> so let me get this straight, the clock problem exists because of "1970" when will it ever be 1970 again?
[05:01] <poedragonwarrior> why do we support clock dates this far back?
[05:02] <crimsonmane> the clock problem was that it only looked at the last two digits
[05:02] <calrogman> you can't just change time_t = 0b00 to some other time
[05:02] <poedragonwarrior> this is the kind of thinking that makes me re-ponder humanity's sanity as a whole
[05:02] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: because that's the unix standard.
[05:02] <crimsonmane> and databases used comparison, greater than or less than
[05:02] <calrogman> poedragonwarrior: i ponder your understanding of the concept of an epoch
[05:03] <darkelfjuggalo> ok redirect question:  if I just make a 32-bit ISO installer it should run fine?
[05:03] <poedragonwarrior> so instead of y2k we see the same problem again
[05:03] <poedragonwarrior> just re-apply the fix
[05:03] <calrogman> probably not darkelfjuggalo
[05:03] <calrogman> poedragonwarrior, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
[05:03] <crimsonmane> darkelfjuggalo: it's hit or miss, but worth a try. it is possible the media you are installing the boot onto is bad
[05:03] <darkelfjuggalo> calrogman, then may I get some better direction the PAE?
[05:04] <V13Axel> poedragonwarrior: We do that because most computer clocks work in milliseconds since 1/1/1970 Greenwich Mean Time. That is the 'zero' that the computer counts up from to figure the time.
[05:04] <calrogman> you're getting a missing file error, not a memory error
[05:04] <darkelfjuggalo> crimsonmane ; im curious about that... it's a 8GB stick but the Fat32 partion limits it to 4.3
[05:04] <crimsonmane> OH
[05:04] <V13Axel> poedgragonwarrior: That's called the Epoch.
[05:04] <crimsonmane> format that to ext4
[05:04] <poedragonwarrior> so instead of counting 1/1/1970 count up from 1/1/2000
[05:05] <poedragonwarrior> it will never again be 1970
[05:05] <poedragonwarrior> ever
[05:05] <calrogman> but then you ahve to move every single system from one epoch to another
[05:05] <calrogman> and that's just not feasible
[05:05] <V13Axel> ^^
[05:05] <V13Axel> That.
[05:05] <poedragonwarrior> its just a kernel patch
[05:05] <calrogman> no
[05:05] <V13Axel> No, it's ingrained into the CMOS.
[05:05] <calrogman> you have no idea what you are talking about
[05:05] <poedragonwarrior> not with UEFI its not
[05:06] <poedragonwarrior> with UEFI its 2000
[05:06] <V13Axel> This conversation should be moved to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:06] <V13Axel> I came here to ask a question, and no one answered because this conversation is ignorable.
[05:06] <darkelfjuggalo> how do i format in linux? i keep having to use my mom's Vista and that only formats NTFS, Fat32, and exFAT
[05:06] <SwedeMike> poedragonwarrior: yeah, the fix is to move to 64bit counters for seconds since 1970 probably.
[05:06] <creede> darkelfjuggalo, what format do you want?
[05:07] <V13Axel> darkelfjuggalo: Open Disk Utility, it should be an option there.
[05:07] <creede> SwedeMike, s/probably/definitely/g
[05:07] <jagginess> darkelfjuggalo, use gparted live cd (sourceforge)
[05:07] <calrogman> the formatting doesn't matter, catting or dding an image to the disk will over write the partition table and write a raw partition to the drive
[05:07] <creede> V13Axel, I'm afraid I have no idea what your question was. I got distracted by the shiny objOH LOOK A CHICKEN
[05:08] <calrogman> 05:57:06 < V13Axel> I changed from an Nvidia Geforce 8400GS to an ATI Radeon X800 GTO, and upon removing the Nvidia drivers, I got a nonfunctional X  configuration. I was wondering how one would activate the Radeon driver manually?
[05:08] <V13Axel> ^Yes, that.
[05:09] <calrogman> the usual steps are reinstall all of your Xorg related pacakges, delete /etc/xorg.conf
[05:09] <jagginess> calrogman, nope
[05:09] <V13Axel> The problem is that I want GLX, etc., enabled.
[05:09] <poedragonwarrior> calrogman, delete the xorg.conf, reboot into terminal, reinstall the ati drivers, then reboot
[05:09] <calrogman> jagginess: thanks for that constructive critique of my advice jagginess, it was helpful to all involved
[05:09] <V13Axel> The problem with THAT is that the card isn't supported by fglrx.
[05:09] <poedragonwarrior> it is easily the cleanest way of doing it
[05:10] <jagginess> calrogman, nope
[05:10] <poedragonwarrior> an ati card oh crap its that old?
[05:10] <jagginess> calrogman, there's no /etc/xorg.conf ever
[05:10] <calrogman> except when there is, you mean, jagginess
[05:10] <V13Axel> No, it's an X800 GTO, it's from 2006.
[05:10] <poedragonwarrior> then its supported
[05:10] <jagginess> calrogman, try google.. /etc/xorg.conf never exists on any linux distro
[05:10] <poedragonwarrior> idk why it wouldnt be
[05:11] <yekoms> isnt xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ?
[05:11] <poedragonwarrior> yes
[05:11] <jagginess> yekoms, ding
[05:11] <V13Axel> poedragonwarrior: It's not supported by the ATI drivers, it's in the legacy support structure.
[05:11] <yekoms> then why is he looking in /etc ?
[05:11] <creede>  22:11:13  creede@boris  ~  % ls -alF /etc/xorg.conf
[05:11] <creede> ls: cannot access /etc/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[05:11] <poedragonwarrior> this is why I love nvidia
[05:11] <jagginess> yekoms, because he gives bad advice
[05:11] <poedragonwarrior> my cards work
[05:11] <yekoms> creede, ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:12] <creede> more recent versions of xorg do some kind of magic that does the same thing as xorg.conf but in a different set of files.
[05:12] <calrogman> man 5 xorg.conf gives a list of places checked for a xorg.conf, among them /etc/xorg.conf
[05:12] <yekoms> ive never seen such behavior...
[05:12] <jagginess> creede, nope
[05:12] <V13Axel> poedragonwarrior, This card works fine. I got it cheap, and it isn't for anything special. Don't flame, I'm just asking how to do something.
[05:12] <jagginess> creede, xorg doesnt need xorg.conf, it can do autodetection
[05:12] <creede>  22:11:23  creede@boris  ~  % ls -alF /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:12] <creede> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83 Oct 10 08:54 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:12] <yekoms> ive always found xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ and this was on unix or linux.
[05:13] <jagginess> yekoms, y
[05:13] <yekoms> its first location is /etc/X11/ then it moves to /etc, and other places.
[05:13] <creede> OK I was wrong about xorg.conf
[05:13] <V13Axel> Well, does anyone know how to fix my problem, or are we going to argue about the location of xorg.conf all night?
[05:13] <V13Axel> XD
[05:13] <robertzaccour> Is it possible to download YouTube videos in Ubuntu? Is there such a program that'll do this?
[05:13] <creede> However my xorg.conf is only 84 bytes long with only a default device section so the magic is happening somewhere else.
[05:13] <yekoms> youtube-dl robertzaccour
[05:13] <robertzaccour> yekoms, How do I get it?
[05:13] <V13Axel> robertzaccour, I use the VideoDownloadHelper add-on to Firefox.
[05:13] <calrogman> of course it was yekoms, except on any of the BSDs, where it'd be in /usr/local/etc/ (excluding OpenBSD's xenocara)
[05:14] <yekoms> apt-get install youtube-dl robertzaccour
[05:14] <robertzaccour> yekoms, Oh ok thanks.
[05:14] <robertzaccour> V13Axel, What about for Chromium?
[05:14] <yekoms> calrogman, wrong again, proper install for FreeBSD5.4-7.1, /etc/X11/ is the default location for xorg.conf. :)
[05:14] <yekoms> unless the user selects otherwise. but im not going off topic in here ;)
[05:15] <robertzaccour> yekoms, How do I use it?
[05:15] <V13Axel> robertzaccour, I'm not sure, I use Firefox. You could use youtube-dl, but it's slightly deprecated.
[05:15] <yekoms> youtube-dl url.for.video from a terminal.
[05:15] <calrogman> by reading the manpage, robertzaccour
[05:15] <yekoms> or you can read the short help via youtube-dl -h. ;)
[05:16] <yekoms> -away
[05:17] <robertzaccour> I'll try the plugin
[05:18] <calrogman> V13Axel: you can "undeprecate" youtube-dl after you install it by running `sudo youtube-dl -U`
[05:20] <V13Axel> So does no one know how to manually activate the radeon/ati drivers, with glx, etc., installed?
[05:20] <jagginess> calrogman, stop taking drugs and giving fantasy advice.. you're wrong on every statement the last several minutes.. take a break from your computer
[05:20] <poedragonwarrior> may I ask why Ubuntu doesn't include the nvidia drivers with their installation by default? They obviously have no problem being sellouts
[05:21] <poedragonwarrior> it would seriously make things a whole lot smoother
[05:21] <creede> V13Axel, I'm afraid I'm not going to be much help there.  However, that would take far too long for this machine.
[05:24] <poedragonwarrior> it is absolutely painfully retarded not to
[05:24] <V13Axel> !offtopic | poedragonwarrior
[05:24] <ezio> anyone having flash problems?
[05:24] <poedragonwarrior> V13Axel: this is a support issue
[05:24] <ezio> new version of flash out?
[05:25] <poedragonwarrior> its actually a bug
[05:25] <poedragonwarrior> see our friend here is having an issue he wouldnt have if Ubuntu had these drivers OOB
[05:25] <creede> I'd think trying to repair the X installation would take just about as long. But, not knowing your situation, I won't second guess your call. Wish I could help.
[05:26] <poedragonwarrior> it would go "oh you switched hardware here you go"
[05:26] <poedragonwarrior> im gunna skip 12.10
[05:27] <V13Axel> creede, Well, it's just that I can't afford downtime on this machine. I can afford a restart or two while repairing because the actual repair work will be done while it's functional.
[05:27] <V13Axel> The machine doubles as a TeamSpeak/IRC/web server, so it needs to be available at all times.
[05:28] <creede> OK, I guess that makes sense under the circumstances.\
[05:28] <creede> Can you set up a vnc server and get into it that way?
[05:28] <poedragonwarrior> another thing that Mac OS X do and Windows do that Linux all distributions I have yet to see do is read my fucking drive labels
[05:28] <poedragonwarrior> I have them set for a reason
[05:28] <poedragonwarrior> I have over 38 drives in the system
[05:28] <creede> If you can you might be able to use something like synaptic to install ATI drivers.
[05:29] <jasonwilliams78> hello, I'm new to this
[05:30] <jasonwilliams78> i'm ready to learn from those who are familiar with Linux command line script
[05:30] <jasonwilliams78> majoring in information security
[05:30] <poedragonwarrior> I love the song in Ubuntu Free Showcase
[05:31] <poedragonwarrior> sonova bitch the goddamn installer crashed
[05:31] <V13Axel> creede, Well, the card is in the legacy support structure of ATI, and thus, FGLRX doesn't seem to like it all too much. I'm in a functioning X system, but I'd like to have SOME openGL support for playing Minecraft(It's used by a friend who has no portable system to use)
[05:31] <alhowwemana3o> hi guys
[05:32] <robertzaccour> V13Axel, the plugin works great. thanks very much
[05:32] <V13Axel> robertzaccour, No problem, I use it myself, and thus recommend it.
[05:34] <robertzaccour> looks like they're much more strict with add-ons in chromium
[05:34] <V13Axel> creede, The main thing I need is to get 3D acceleration working.
[05:35] <V13Axel> creede, The open-source seem to have wonderful 3D acceleration, but I don't know how to activate them.
[05:36] <jasonwilliams78> alhowwemana3o: hi !
[05:37] <creede> V13Axel, well it used to be that if the card supported it you just added a line to X.conf (or whatever it was called) and you were in. Nowadays, with the new xorg architecture, I have no idea.
[05:37] <creede> I'm afraid I just cross my fingers and hope I don't have to reinstall :-)
[05:38] <V13Axel> creede, Well, xorg.conf still works, but I don't know how to use it. Nvidia-settings actually uses xorg.conf, and it seems to work well.
[05:39] <creede> V13Axel, well like I say my xorg.conf is pretty much just a stub, and while you might be able to do configuration similar to the old way, all the functionality is described somewhere else.
[05:39] <creede> At least on my copy of Ubuntu 12.04LTS.
[05:40] <creede> Looking at my laptop it doesn't even have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf. I don't know what it's doing.
[05:41] <almoxarife> creede: that is normal for some installs
[05:41] <creede> almoxarife, yeah it looks like all the config files are in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/
[05:42] <almoxarife> creede: yeap, fallback/failsafe uses xorg.conf.(something) , learned the lesson the hard way
[05:43] <creede> almoxarife, oh I suspect there's something like that in my future. I learn lots of things the hard way. I once learned to use Norton Utilities in one night after I clobbered our company's copy of Lotus 1-2-3 (this was many many years ago)
[05:43] <extropy> every time I hit Alt-[Left Arrow] in Firefox the browser successfully goes "back" as expected but like clockwork Ubuntu's "Type Your Command" dialog pops up and take focus. I'm on a laptop with the world crappiest trackpad. Who should I bring this issue to: Mozilla or Ubuntu?
[05:44] <extropy> omg, lol Lotus 123 for the win ...
[05:45] <creede> extropy, yeah this was in the days when we thought we made a big score by getting a PC clone with a 20 MB HD for $350
[05:45] <extropy> all about having the WordPerfect 5.1 keyboard hotkey overlay ... those were the days (but this is offtopic ;)
[05:45] <almoxarife> turbo even
[05:46] <creede> extropy, yeah, offtopic but fun walk down memory lane. :-) Well back to Ubuntu...
[05:46] <extropy> I don't care, just don't to incur the wrath of ... whomever
[05:47] <extropy> all about 8088XTs
[05:47] <creede> Yeah we already had one guy in here tonight doing a bunch of offtopic stuff
[05:47] <almoxarife> i was wondering why ngrep does not catch/match anything thus far from the irc connection?
[05:48] <creede> almoxarife, is the IRC stream going through stdout?
[05:50] <almoxarife> creede: i would assume so, i was concerned more with what is coming across then my input
[05:51] <creede> I'm just thinking that if for some reason the IRC stream is going to a different file handle than STDOUT ngrep might not be picking it up. I don't know enough about irc to be sure, but I don't know why it wouldn't go to STDOUT.
[05:51] <malkauns>  how do i change the gamma settings of my external display
[05:51] <malkauns> ?
[05:51] <almoxarife> got it, can't ngrep a ssl connection, forgot i was using ssl on freenode
[05:51] <creede> OK that makes sense.
[05:52] <extropy> couldn't you pipe the ssl to something to decrypt it and then pipe *that* to ngrep?
[05:53] <creede> malkauns, do you need to change the gamma of the display or the video card?
[05:53] <extropy> huh, I'm guessing that "decrypt" command would just be SSL ... somehow
[05:53] <almoxarife> extropy: sure, better yet i could just use the clients 'hit' list
[05:53] <tf81_netbook> is there a keyboard shortcut to unmaximize any application? i'm running 12.04
[05:53] <malkauns> creede, just the specific external display
[05:53] <extropy> that went over my head, lol
[05:54] <tf81_netbook> i'm having a weird problem where titlebars disappear when apps are maximized
[05:54] <creede> hm. usually you can do the cards fairly easily but monitors in my experience don't have control programs for Linux.
[05:54] <extropy> I still can't figure out how to use mkfifo ... so yeah
[05:54] <creede> (someone else might have a different experience)
[05:55] <creede> tf81_netbook, are you using Ubuntu 12.04? If you maximize the window, do you see the close/minimize/maximize buttons in the top panel bar?
[05:55] <tf81_netbook> creede:  no
[05:55] <creede> No to which?
[05:55] <almoxarife> malkauns: kde has a nice gamma correction package
[05:55] <malkauns> almoxarife, what's it called?
[05:55] <tf81_netbook> creede:  yes to 12.04 no to the 2nd
[05:56] <creede> You don't see the buttons even if you move the mouse to the upper left corner of the display?
[05:56] <tf81_netbook> creede:  is that a unity thing? i'm not using unity
[05:56] <creede> That's Unity's behavior. What are you using?
[05:56] <tf81_netbook> mate
[05:57] <tf81_netbook> i have this problem in xfce also
[05:57] <almoxarife> malkauns: it's a addon to the control center
[05:57] <creede> oooooh... I've only used mate once, and I wiped my xfce installation when I set up this new machine.
[05:58] <almoxarife> malkauns: part of the 'display' module
[05:58] <tf81_netbook> i would reinstall, but my install disc is 70miles away lol
[05:58] <malkauns> mm ok
[05:58] <creede> but if it's happening on both, it might be something like the viewport is sized a little too big for the monitor and the title bar is going offscreen.
[05:58]  * creede uploads a new install disk to tf81_netbook
[05:59] <tf81_netbook> creede:  possible, netbook only runs at 1024x600
[05:59] <tf81_netbook> creede:  so how do i fix that?
[05:59] <creede> hmmmmmm
[06:00] <creede> maybe something like ubuntu tweak might help
[06:01] <almoxarife> tf81_netbook: you are using the builtin monitor or external?
[06:01] <tf81_netbook> almoxarife:  both
[06:01] <almoxarife> tf81_netbook: which has the issue?
[06:01] <tf81_netbook> built in
[06:02] <almoxarife> really?
[06:02] <creede> Are the displays mirrored?
[06:02] <tf81_netbook> no
[06:02] <almoxarife> nvidia?
[06:02] <creede> but it works OK on the external one. I wonder if the built-in monitor is picking up the settings from the external one.
[06:02] <tf81_netbook> hmm <sagir3> truexfan81 and suterusu also know this so ask em if im not around
[06:02] <tf81_netbook> oops
[06:03] <tf81_netbook> wrong paste
[06:03] <tf81_netbook> Gtk-WARNING **: Theme directory catefories/22 of theme matefaenzadark has no size field
[06:03] <tf81_netbook> there we go
[06:03] <tf81_netbook> creede:  possible
[06:05] <creede> Unfortunately I have to leave it there. I have some stuff to do before I go to bed, and it's already past my bedtime. Night all.
[06:06] <DLopez> it is only 2:06
[06:07] <DLopez> leaving
[06:07] <tf81_netbook> i found a fix
[06:07] <tf81_netbook> alt+F10 toggles maximize
[06:12] <Dataholic> does Reconstructor is free in ubuntu repositories?
[06:13] <Cephalex> Hello there
[06:13] <Cephalex> is there anyone can help me about system programming ?
[06:14] <jagginess> Cephalex, system programming? wtf is that?
[06:14] <Cephalex> I have a problem with inotify library
[06:15] <V13Axel> So I fixed my last problem and now I have an odd issue. I'm running a dual-monitor setup on an ATI card, one is a 1280x1024, and one is a 1024x768. Once I got Compiz running, half my desktop was shown as though it were see-through. If I move a window over it, it does that old Windows error thing of showing tons of the same image, but only on that one spot. I have attached an image here: http://imgur.com/jIAgu
[06:16] <jagginess> V13Axel, probably ati's twinview would help
[06:16] <jagginess> !twinview
[06:16] <jagginess> oops that's nvidia.. lol
[06:16] <jagginess> oh well
[06:16] <V13Axel> How would I set up the ATI equivalent of Twinview using the open-source drivers?
[06:16] <tightwork> how not surprising... find shiny shiny how to on main wiki, attempt it, failure, discover year long on going bug that has yet to been resolved
[06:17] <Dataholic> Is it possible to install Ubuntu 12.04 remix iso on gui? because when i boot it in vmware it prompt me to CLI
[06:18] <V13Axel> My card is out of the proprietary support structure(Radeon X800 GTO), so the FGLRX drivers don't work, but the open source ones work wonderfully.
[06:20] <superpie> video drivers for linux are a gamble
[06:20] <superpie> you cant know if theyre good without trying them yourself
[06:20] <superpie> people on the internet lie to oversell things they own or believe
[06:20] <tightwork> I think we should start putting our wiki on ehow, our documentation is on par with vaugeness
[06:21] <superpie> documentation?
[06:21] <superpie> the code is the documnentation
[06:21] <V13Axel> I have tried the FGLRX drivers, and they don't work. So I tried the open-source, and they work. However, I get that odd transparent part of my desktop: http://imgur.com/jIAgu
[06:21] <jagginess> V13Axel, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[06:22] <jagginess> V13Axel, i never heard of bigdesktop before.. i heard of twinview xinerama, there's alot out there hehehe
[06:22] <superpie> xinerama
[06:22] <superpie> that brings me back
[06:22] <tightwork> sheesh feels like 2001 in here talking about displays
[06:22] <superpie> i know right
[06:23] <superpie> im having flashbacks to setting up my second monitor in fedora 5
[06:23] <tightwork> ive learned to accept limits of hardware vs my time
[06:23] <tightwork> sometimes its just not worth it
[06:24] <V13Axel> Well, my dilemma is that Compiz shows a good sixth of my desktop as transparent.
[06:24] <superpie> and thats why my mint partition only has one working display
[06:24] <superpie> turn off compiz
[06:24] <V13Axel> I got the monitor working, it just has an odd problem on the desktop.
[06:24] <superpie> how does compiz help you
[06:24] <V13Axel> It doesn't;
[06:24] <superpie> compiz is a toy
[06:24] <V13Axel> But pointless eyecandy is fun and I want it.
[06:24] <aeon-ltd> if it's your wm it's vital
[06:24] <tightwork> I get more done is lameo no frillz  xmonad
[06:25] <superpie> i get more done in windows but thats a preference
[06:25] <tightwork> I have learned to accept gnome3 with bluetile  ... im a tiling maniac
[06:25] <V13Axel> It helps me because it allows my GPU to do my desktop compositing so Docky works well, and that helps my workflow.
[06:25] <V13Axel> Thus, Compiz helps me.
[06:25] <tightwork> reading email in outlook is not GTD superpie  ;-p
[06:25] <superpie> tiling people freak me out
[06:26] <aeon-ltd> superpie: why?
[06:26] <superpie> i said windows not the whole microsoft product line tightwork
[06:26] <tightwork> superpie: i know .. im just giving u hard time
[06:26] <superpie> aeon i dont argue against linux in linux channels
[06:26] <bazhang> !ot | superpie
[06:26] <jagginess> V13Axel, http://www.schrodingersghost.com/?p=480 (you can make an xorg.conf sample in root's home using X -configure, after stopping lightdm, stop lightdm, copy/edit xorg.conf from sample to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, the start lightdm)
[06:26] <aeon-ltd> the philosophy is great. the pc should organize windows for me not the other way round
[06:27] <superpie> im not that off topic if your following the conversation
[06:27] <bazhang> aeon-ltd, lets get back on topic
[06:27] <aeon-ltd> sorry for derailing
[06:27] <V13Axel> I'm actually following this one:
[06:27] <V13Axel> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[06:27] <bazhang> superpie, take the chat to #ubuntu-offtopic , this is support ONLY
[06:27] <tightwork> anyway....cobbler-web has been broken for a year
[06:27] <tightwork> yay
[06:27] <jagginess> V13Axel, this stuff is never easy for anybody, even pros have problems with it.. it's one thing linux still is really hard to get right more often than not, 1+ monitors not always plug and play
[06:28] <V13Axel> I'm aware.
[06:28] <V13Axel> Thus, I'm trying to set up MergedFB.
[06:28] <jagginess> V13Axel, (however there's less problems with using nv or the open source drivers, but not sure about how well the acceleration of gfx would work out)
[06:28] <V13Axel> I'm no novice by far, but everyone needs help every now and then.
[06:28] <V13Axel> It works fine,
[06:29] <V13Axel> I'm just getting this odd glitch with my desktop: http://imgur.com/jIAgu
[06:29] <jagginess> V13Axel, also if you're trying out this stuff, hopefully you dont have problems with kms
[06:29] <superpie> does compizconfig have a desktop width parameter
[06:29] <V13Axel> So far, no.
[06:29] <jagginess> V13Axel, (make sure you don't have vga= in your kernel bootline, that can disable kms)
[06:30] <V13Axel> KMS is working fine, actually.
[06:30] <V13Axel> It's why I got the radeon driver working.
[06:30] <jagginess> V13Axel, do you know what it is?
[06:30] <V13Axel> Kernelmodesetting.
[06:30] <jagginess> V13Axel, but what is it used for?
[06:30] <V13Axel> It is what allows the kernel to select the correct drivers/configuration for the graphical setup.
[06:31] <V13Axel> (By configuration I mean resolutions, etc.)
[06:31] <jagginess> V13Axel, no, it's a feature to allow easier transition of gfx mode from X to plain text tty1-tty6
[06:31] <V13Axel> Hmm.
[06:31] <V13Axel> I suppose the stuff I was reading was incorrect, then.
[06:31] <V13Axel> That was actually a problem I was having as well,
[06:32] <jagginess> V13Axel, when you do ctl-alt-f1 that used to blink the whole screen.. but with kms you shouldn't get flashes when swithing from X<->plaintext
[06:32] <V13Axel> I couldn't get to my tty1-tty6's.
[06:32] <aeon-ltd> What? even if you have no login manager?
[06:32] <jagginess> V13Axel, maybe it's because xorg.conf has VTswitch disabled.. which would be fine..
[06:32] <V13Axel> I've just been using an SSH session to do stuff like that, then exporting DISPLAY as :0-0 and starting the GDM service.
[06:32] <V13Axel> aeon-ltd, Yes.
[06:33] <V13Axel> aeon-ltd, When I press Ctrl+Alt+F(1-6), I get a blank screen, nothing else.
[06:33] <jagginess> V13Axel, you using kubuntu or something? .. it sounds like you're having something wrong
[06:34] <jagginess> lol
[06:34] <V13Axel> It's probably from where I switched from an Nvidia card to an ATI card.
[06:34] <aeon-ltd> what if you killed X and the login manager, do you end up at a point in which you can't input anything?
[06:34] <jagginess> V13Axel, how about removing anything nvidia (except for anything about nouveau.kms stuff packages)
[06:34] <jagginess> V13Axel, lsmod shouldn't say nvidia
[06:35] <V13Axel> aeon-ltd, Essentially, but I have a second PC right next to it that I SSH from to do any command-line work when the GUI unavailable.
[06:35] <jagginess> V13Axel, you also dont want to have two drivers conflicting each other, it's possible to have two ati drivers clashing
[06:35] <V13Axel> I did a sudo apt-get purge nvidia* when I uninstalled the Nvidia drivers.
[06:35] <jagginess> V13Axel, you should* be able to do tty1, otherwise something is very wrong
[06:39] <DaemonicApathy> Just finished configuring an install on a brand new SSD. Any suggestions?
[06:39] <V13Axel> Well, that was odd.
[06:40] <V13Axel> I attempted to switch to tty1, and I got a frozen GUI until I pressed Ctrl+Alt+F7, in which case, the machine simply crashed.
[06:40] <jagginess> V13Axel, your driver isnt properly installed/ it has something to do with your driver setup
[06:41] <jagginess> V13Axel, you probably have 2 ati drivers loading.. disabling completely one of them.. (remove any packages that may be hosting the other)
[06:41] <Cantide> Empathy requires me to enter the password for my default keyring each time i run it - how can i remove this password prompt?
[06:41] <V13Axel> Here's the thing though-- I just reconfigured Xorg-server, and there's no xorg.conf, so I have no idea what would be causing it.
[06:42] <V13Axel> OH WAIT
[06:42] <V13Axel> I forgot-- I installed FGLRX to test and never uninstalled it.
[06:42] <jagginess> V13Axel, you dont know what you're doing. use dpkg -l |grep -i ati
[06:42] <V13Axel> I'm gonna try that.
[06:43] <V13Axel> I'm no novice by any means, I simply made a rookie mistake.
[06:43] <V13Axel> I'm uninstalling anything to do with FGLRX, and then rebooting to see if my ttys work.
[06:44] <V13Axel> Although I will admit--
[06:44] <V13Axel> I used to know quite a bit about using xorg.conf, but then they replaced it with obscurity and automatic configuration. Anyway, the machine is rebooting now.
[06:44] <jagginess> V13Axel, .
[06:45] <jagginess> V13Axel, it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. it's dynamic in memory, -- using xorg.conf forces what X doesnt detect (X will still do partial auto-detection of things not specified in xorg.conf)
[06:46] <V13Axel> I'm aware of that; I was simply avoiding stating it, as I felt it was common knowledge.
[06:47] <vedic> Probably I am asking a very simple question to Project Manager/Developers/Admins. I am looking for opinion on "Where do you prefer setup version control repository for your project source code?" At your own premise or at hosting provider or colocate your server at hosting provider?
[06:47] <jagginess> V13Axel, if you specified bogus keyboard and mouse inputs only in the xorg.conf, it'll likely be able to load and use a auto-detected video chipset and keyboard.. but if you specify a faulty* video specification to use then X will die right away.. xorg.conf is very strict on the graphic driver
[06:47] <jagginess> V13Axel, then check your log kid
[06:47] <jagginess> V13Axel, it's all in the log. it says whats autodetected and what's read from the xorg.conf file
[06:48] <V13Axel> There IS no xorg.conf file at the moment. The logs show that it's using the open source radeon drivers.
[06:48]  * jagginess wishes he can use rtfm more often
[06:48]  * Calinou wishes he can use nvidia card more often
[06:48] <Calinou> basically what you wanted to do, jagginess?
[06:49] <jagginess> Calinou, make people understand how to read logs
[06:49] <jagginess> lol
[06:49]  * V13Axel wishes he could afford a high-end Nvidia card instead of this $20 ATI card.
[06:49] <V13Axel> I understand reading logs, I just don't do it often.
[06:49]  * jagginess inventes rtfl for V13Axel
[06:50] <jagginess> :)
[06:50] <V13Axel> LOL
[06:50] <jagginess> i already gave everything you need in your chat log too (lsmod, to check you're not loading two ati drivers), so only use ONE ati driver
[06:52] <V13Axel> Odd.
[06:53] <jagginess> you're using radeon, so disable fglrx too
[06:53] <V13Axel> The logs are saying it's trying to load fglrx, though my card is proportedly unsupported by it.
[06:53] <jagginess> stick with radeon only
[06:53] <Cantide> i tried to install webapps on 12.04 and got this message -> http://pastebin.com/jSGC8E9X
[06:53] <V13Axel> I performed and apt-get purge fglrx
[06:53] <V13Axel> an*
[06:55] <DaemonicApathy> Cantide: have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[06:55] <jagginess> Cantide, try apt-get update, then apt-get -f install<enter>
[06:55] <V13Axel> I see the problem.
[06:55] <Cantide> okay, thanks
[06:56] <jagginess> V13Axel, no you don't
[06:56] <jagginess> V13Axel, stick with radeon only.
[06:56] <V13Axel> Yes, I do. Let me finish.
[06:56] <jagginess> no you dont
[06:56] <Cantide> i should have done that after adding the ppa .-.
[06:56] <jagginess> V13Axel, you dont know what you're doing
[06:56] <DaemonicApathy> Live and learn, Cantide. :-)
[06:56] <Madkiss> cheers. Can somebody please tell me how to send a ctrl-alt-delte via screen to another server that is connected remotely via a USB-to-serial converter?
[06:57] <Cantide> still the same problem :'(
[06:57] <Cantide> maybe those packages were removed?
[06:57] <V13Axel> The onboard card is an ATI Radeon Xpress 200, and the PCI-e card is an ATI Radeon X800GTO. There is no option to disable the onboard, only one to prefer the PCI-e upon boot. The logs show that X is trying to load modules for the onboard as well as the PCI-e.
[06:58] <jagginess> Madkiss, you have a monitor attached to the usb-to-serial adapter?
[06:58] <DaemonicApathy> Cantide, what version of ff do you have?
[06:58] <Madkiss> jagginess: ?!
[06:58] <Madkiss> scruff: no. I've got a screen session attached to it.
[06:58] <V13Axel> jagginess, you don't even know my situation. I AM sticking with the radeon drivers, and ONLY the radeon drivers, but I still get this transparent part of the desktop when using Compiz, which was my problem in the first place.
[06:58] <Madkiss> root      3686  0.0  0.0  27156  1508 ?        Ss   Oct13   0:00 SCREEN -L /dev/ttyUSB0 115200
[06:58] <Madkiss> that one.
[06:59] <jagginess> V13Axel, good boy. Read your dam logs as well as your irc logs. I'm done with you.   2) I was sticking with radeon to begin with.
[07:00] <Cantide> could those packages have been removed from the repos perhaps?
[07:00]  * jagginess rofl rtfl
[07:00] <DaemonicApathy> Cantide: Last time I saw this problem, webapps had ff14 as a dependency, so newer ff versions prevented installation.
[07:01] <jagginess> Cantide, can occur if you separately install a pakcage with dpkg -i
[07:01] <samsung56> thats not completely right
[07:02] <Cantide> DaemonicApathy, that's a pity :'(
[07:02] <Cantide> jagginess, how do i do that? and is it a good idea?
[07:02] <samsung56> yep
[07:03] <jagginess> Cantide, you may have had to use sudo with the two commands i gave you earlier
[07:03] <samsung56> \nothing is a good idea unless your asian
[07:03] <samsung56> sudowoodo
[07:03] <Cantide> jagginess, I did, didn't help
[07:03] <Cantide> perhaps i should accept defeat :'(
[07:03] <Cantide> 12.10 coming in a few days anyway :)
[07:04] <DaemonicApathy> samsung56: I hope you have higher aspirations than being a spambot.
[07:04] <DaemonicApathy> Personally, I'm sticking with 12.04
[07:04] <samsung56> yes a dolek
[07:05] <samsung56> not a dalek
[07:05] <samsung56> this is a dalek but better because its spelled with a o
[07:05] <Cantide> DaemonicApathy, why stick with 12.04?
[07:05] <DaemonicApathy> dolek (noun): hole. How apropos.
[07:07] <DaemonicApathy> Cantide: Last time I updated, I lost a few programs I liked, to go to a LTS distro. If something good enough comes along that only works with newer versions, I might jump ship. Until then, I like the LTS model enough to stick with it.
[07:07] <samsung56> aww look at the cat
[07:07] <Cantide> Oh, fair enough. Webapps are the attraction for me
[07:07] <Cantide> and there are not many apps i rely on that won't be in 12.10
[07:08] <samsung56> is it bad if my girlfriends cat died because she locked it in her closet and went on vacation
[07:08] <Cantide> oh, and my other question earlier
[07:09] <Cantide> Empathy requires me to enter the password for my default keyring each time i run it - how can i remove this password prompt?
[07:09] <DaemonicApathy> I'm not sure. I enter a blank keyring from installation, to avoid ever getting the prompt again.
[07:09] <gordonjcp> Cantide: delete the keyring and recreate it without a password
[07:09] <samsung56> with sudo ls. command computer
[07:09] <gordonjcp> it's bloody annoying
[07:09] <samsung56> or dellete the keyring and start without a password
[07:09] <Cantide> it is annoying!!
[07:10] <Cantide> how do i delete and recreate it?
[07:10] <DaemonicApathy> Nobody can use my laptop without the right key combination anyway, unless they boot into another drive, so it's not like I need the potential added security.
[07:11] <samsung56> your talking about the gnome
[07:11] <samsung56> keyring right
[07:12] <DaemonicApathy> On a completely unrelated note, I'm loving Ubuntu on a solid-state drive...
[07:13] <samsung56> i love cats
[07:13] <samsung56> but i hate spambots
[07:13] <DaemonicApathy> Cantide: my quick search turns up "rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring".
[07:14] <rawfodog> is there a way to auto mount an encrypted drive on boot ?
[07:14] <gordonjcp> DaemonicApathy: you beat me to it ;-)
[07:14] <samsung56> ohh wow google works fast than asking a question and waiting no way
[07:14] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: doesn't that rather defeat the point of an encrypted drive?
[07:14] <samsung56> microsoft xp rules
[07:15] <Cantide> thanks DaemonicApathy, gordonjcp :)
[07:15] <DaemonicApathy> gordonjcp: I gave you a full 3 minutes. You're too slow. ;-p
[07:15] <antonio_> does anyone here use openshot?
[07:15] <Cantide> and what about recreating it? 'o'
[07:15] <rawfodog> gordonjcp, not really. the person still has to log in
[07:15] <DaemonicApathy> I assume that's automatic, Cantide. When it prompts you, just confirm it with an empty string.
[07:15] <Cantide> oh, right
[07:15] <Cantide> thanks :)
[07:15] <DaemonicApathy> np
[07:15] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: right, but if you've mounted the encrypted drive, it's decrypted
[07:16] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: so you may as well not bother if you're just using normal login
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[07:16] <FloodBot1> samsung56: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:16] <rawfodog> gordonjcp, its to protect it from live cds and such. wouldnt it be much more work to see whats on the drive while it is on without logging in ?
[07:17] <DaemonicApathy> gordonjcp: I think rawfodog just wants it to automount to the point of the password prompt.
[07:17] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: oh, good point
[07:17] <rawfodog> DaemonicApathy, correct
[07:17] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: but if the decryption key is on the hard disk, what's to stop you booting with a livecd then running the normal mount commands?
[07:18] <rawfodog> its a headless machine,
[07:18] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: it's the same problem as DVD encryption
[07:19] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: you can't lock down the content of a DVD with encryption, because you have to give someone the key to decrypt it so they can play it, right?
[07:19] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: so there's no magic way to make the decryption key only decrypt to do the thing you want
[07:19] <RedCap> I try to do this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap but I don't receive a prompt for passphrase while boot. How investigate it?
[07:20] <DaemonicApathy> gordonjcp: Don't they currently get around that by obfuscating the encryption key in a program with hardcoded limits as to how it can be used?
[07:20] <gordonjcp> DaemonicApathy: right, but you've seen how trivially easy that is to break
[07:20] <jagginess> DaemonicApathy, obfuscating an encryption key?  Cool theoretical conversation though :)
[07:21] <DaemonicApathy> Sorry jagginess, I didn't know how else to put it. xD
[07:21] <jagginess> DaemonicApathy, that's what ssh-agent does, stores encryption keys in a passphrased store
[07:21] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: there are a couple of hits on google for how to do it on other distros
[07:21] <rawfodog> if I reboot this computer, even though the drive isn't decrypted yet, would I still be able to enter the key via ssh ?
[07:21] <jagginess> DaemonicApathy, and so does other things like KDE-wallet, and anything gnome-equivalent.. apple calls this 'Keychains'
[07:22] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: try it with a machine you have physical access to
[07:22] <gordonjcp> rawfodog: is it just /home that's encrypted?
[07:22] <DaemonicApathy> Heh, and Keychains recently had a huge not-quite-debacle itself.
[07:23] <jagginess> DaemonicApathy, the concept is there, but they all store private keys in a passphrased location..
[07:24] <RedCap> anyone?
[07:24] <DaemonicApathy> Fair enough, jagginess. I honestly haven't taken apart any of the sources for DVD-playing programs, so any attempt at describing their methods is just my own conjecture.
[07:25] <jagginess> RedCap, hibernation is a pita if you do dual-booting linuxes.. you can leave one linux filesystem in a corrupted state
[07:25] <RedCap> jagginess, what makes you think I do dual-booting?
[07:26] <jagginess> RedCap, even non dual booting.. but i consider it a danger zone either way
[07:26] <rawfodog> Think this might work ...
[07:26] <rawfodog> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59487/how-to-configure-lvm-to-autodecrypt-partition
[07:27] <jagginess> RedCap, more dangerous dual, less dangerous single booting.. You have to expect problems while testing it
[07:27] <RedCap> my question was about boot-scripts
[07:27] <RedCap> not about hibernation.
[07:27] <jagginess> "<RedCap> I try to do this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnableHibernateWithEncryptedSwap but I don't receive a prompt for passphrase while boot. How investigate it?"
[07:28] <jagginess> doesnt look like a script problem to me
[07:28] <RedCap> have you seen the text by the url?
[07:28] <jagginess> RedCap, i've done hibernation in the past and never went back to it. Just be careful
[07:29] <jagginess> hehhehe
[07:29] <RedCap> jagginess, i've done hibernation in the past and was satisfied
[07:31] <RedCap> my question ws about boot-scripts. Seems  /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/cryptroot doesn't work as it supposed by the author of this text
[07:31] <RedCap> and I can't find out the reason because of splash screens etc
[07:32] <llutz_> RedCap: change bootoptions ("nosplash")
[07:32] <jagginess> RedCap, you using 12.04?
[07:32] <RedCap> it became so complicated within the last 10 years
[07:32] <RedCap> yes, 12.04
[07:35] <jagginess> RedCap, hibernation is not a high preference among linux fans for any year.. (ask anyone)
[07:35] <RedCap> llutz_ , I tried to change bootoptions, but it's still looks strange. Like I get messages on one virtual console and it expects my to do something on another... and I don't see any messages from the script mentioned above
[07:35] <RedCap> jagginess, I'm not a fan, I'm a user.
[07:35] <DaemonicApathy> Linux tends to start too quickly for hibernation to be a real asset, imho.
[07:35] <jagginess> RedCap, I'm saying the facts..
[07:36] <jagginess> !hibernation
[07:36] <jagginess> heheheh
[07:36] <jagginess> even ubottu doesnt know..
[07:36] <RedCap> it doesn't help me understand what happened with boot-scripts
[07:36] <DaemonicApathy> You wish, jagginess. :-)
[07:37] <jagginess> RedCap, maybe you're not a fan, but you definitely can be a power switch.. that'll cut out the hibernation problem
[07:37] <jagginess> O
[07:38] <jagginess> I'll be surprised if there's 3 people in here who have hibernation set.. (or even 1 other)
[07:38] <RedCap> jagginess, I can't waste 10-20 minutes every time I have to switch off my laptop
[07:39] <RedCap> and my question was about the boot script, not about hibernation
[07:39] <DaemonicApathy> I don't even use swap...
[07:39] <jagginess> RedCap, you haven't been using linux for 10 years.. you'd be able to debug that script.
[07:40] <jagginess> RedCap, i'm afraid nobody here knows..
[07:40] <Church> jagginess: hybernation is not about how short or not boot is. it's about having apps opened at state it was pre-hybernation. what shorter boot has to do with that?
[07:40] <RedCap> jagginess I can't debug it, for now it seems like all messages from that script come to /dev/null
[07:40] <jagginess> (unless i decided to debug the script myself, then maybe i might be able to tell but i'm not very interested atm)
[07:40] <DaemonicApathy> Church, I believe you're responding to me. And you make a decent point.
[07:41] <jagginess> Church, it's RedCap asking for help
[07:44] <eliano> Hi ! I'm a new Ubuntu user ! What command can I use to update the database of packages from a shell ? Thanks
[07:44] <llutz_> eliano: sudo apt-get update
[07:44] <jagginess> eliano, well do you know how to do it graphically? :)
[07:45] <tapas> hmm, i wonder why chromium stopped playing songs on soundcloud..
[07:45] <tapas> interesting enough it works on some sites with the embedded player..
[07:45] <tapas> but soundcloud directly just does nothing..
[07:45] <eliano> yes, I've already use Debian Linux, So I've already known synaptic. Thanks !
[07:46] <jagginess> eliano, nope
[07:46] <jagginess> eliano, you use 'update manager'
[07:46] <jagginess> eliano, you should know graphically how to do it!
[07:46] <tapas> a little search didn't turn up any relevant bugreports..
[07:46] <tapas> anyone else seeing the same issue?
[07:48] <jagginess> eliano, 'update manager' and apt-get update, both update the same thing (indexes of packages only), synaptic doesnt update the indexes afaik unless they implemented this feature into it
[07:48] <Red_M> anyone know how to clear the DNS cache?
[07:49] <eliano> Thanks, I will use update manager
[07:49] <cristian_c> Hi
[07:49] <cristian_c> I can't changing the icon to a script
[07:50] <cristian_c> I'd like to change the icon or using a launcher to execute the script
[07:51] <cristian_c> But I want to use the relative paths. I don't know how to use them in the launcher
[07:51] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[07:51] <overclucker> Red_M: sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean
[07:51] <eliano> How can I install Cinnamon on Ubuntu and delete Unity ?
[07:52] <Red_M> overclucker: im using debian.... thought asking in here would help....
[07:52] <gordonjcp> cristian_c: I think that's defined in the .desktop file for the program
[07:52] <gordonjcp> Red_M: might be better to ask in #debian
[07:52] <Red_M> overclucker: in #debian its like #idle_all_the_things
[07:53] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, thanks for the answer
[07:53] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, I open the .desktop file, but I don't know hot to edit it
[07:53] <cristian_c> *how
[07:53] <gordonjcp> cristian_c: I don't either but I'm sure a couple of minutes of careful googling will help
[07:54] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, I've searched for it much
[07:54] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, but I've found anything :(
[07:54] <overclucker> Red_M: you could check if you are running nscd and restart the service, but i dont recall if debian uses it or not
[07:54] <cristian_c> *not
[07:54] <Red_M> ##linux suggested nscd
[07:55] <Red_M> it didnt work
[07:55] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, any other ideas? :)
[07:55] <Red_M> and service dns restart doesnt work
[07:55] <gordonjcp> cristian_c: is there not a path in script.desktop saying something like "Icon=/usr/share/something"
[07:56] <cristian_c> gordonjcp, ok, but it's an absolute path