[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[10:05] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:00] <dholbach> dpm, what do you suggest we do about the UOS dates?
[14:01] <dpm> dholbach, to me the 12-14 option looks good, as it's the one that doesn't clash with anything else
[14:02] <dholbach> dpm, should I go and confirm it with anyone else still?
[14:03] <dpm> dholbach, I think we've now covered everyone, haven't we? So let's just go for it
[14:04] <dholbach> dpm, maybe I'll go and ping some cloud folks still to see if aws re:invent is a big thing
[14:06] <dpm> ok, sounds good to me too
[16:18] <dholbach> dpm, all right - got the go-ahead from Robbie and Antonio
[16:19] <dholbach> I'll follow up on the anounce mail in a bit
[16:23] <dholbach> mail sent
[16:25] <dholbach> mhall119, ^ UOS dates announced now
[16:34] <dholbach> dpm, do you think we can replace the call's Jono set up in Google Cal? looks like I get a mail that Jono won't get the mail whenever I click on "no, not attending" :)
[16:36] <balloons> dholbach, glad the UOS announce #2 is done
[16:36] <dholbach> yeah
[16:37] <dpm> dholbach, indeed, let me replace all of jono's calls, who was that guy, btw ;)
[16:37] <dpm> dholbach, thanks for the epic follow-up on UOS dates
[16:38] <dholbach> yeah - I'm glad it's done now
[16:38] <dholbach> I'll go under-cover if we get more complaints about the dates now :)
[16:41] <dpm> no more #blamepopey but #blamedholbach
[16:50] <mhall119> dholbach: \o/
[17:16] <dholbach> dpm, do I remember correctly that you had a work item to get in touch with the loco community about a UGJ date?
[17:17] <jose> dpm: if you've got access to the cal there's a meeting with me still in there'
[17:17] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, I saw it yesterday on the trello board, but I've not had the chance yet
[17:18] <dpm> jose, I don't have access, but I think you can just delete it from your calendar and it should disappear for you
[17:18] <dholbach> dpm, ok... it just came up in the CC hangout
[17:18] <jose> well, looks like that did it
[17:19] <dholbach> dpm, I guess it'll depend on what we'd like the focus to be and which other teams want to participate
[17:19] <dpm> dholbach, yes. I still think it makes sense, it's just I haven't thought or we haven't discussed any dates. I think it'd be good to focus on the phone
[17:21] <dholbach> big hugs - I'm off to dinner :-)


[06:57] <luna_> any new podcast episode today?
[08:20] <amurray> luna_: yep I am just editing it now - but may not be finished for a few hours - but will definitely be up sometime this evening (AU time)
[14:14] <luna_> amurray: listening to it now, before i eat dinner and leave work for today before the weekend
[14:27] <luna_> also Firefox 116.0.1 was released upstream today


[12:46] <BlkGhost> :)
[12:46] <BlkGhost> sits down
[12:46] <jrib> hi
[12:46] <jrib> !fstab
[12:46] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[12:46] <jrib> but there isn't any real nice docs so I'll explain what you have to do basically
[12:47] <jrib> you need to create a mount point first
[12:47] <BlkGhost> k
[12:47] <jrib> so: sudo mkdir /media/my_stuff
[12:47] <jrib> call it whatever you want instead of "my_stuff"
[12:47] <rocunreal> Just want you to know jrib i got my problem fixxed ;) you guys are the best at Ubuntu Offical Support
[12:47] <BlkGhost> done
[12:47] <jrib> rocunreal: great
[12:48] <jrib> BlkGhost: you want this to get mounted everytime you boot, correct?
[12:48] <BlkGhost> yeah
[12:48] <jrib> so open up your fstab in a text editor: gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[12:48] <BlkGhost> k
[12:49] <jrib> there's some uuid stuff you can use if you plan on moving your hard drive around, do you need that?
[12:49] <BlkGhost> nope
[12:49] <jrib> k, what's the block device for your partition?  /dev/foo?
[12:49] <BlkGhost> /dev/sdb1
[12:50] <jrib> so in that text file, you're going to make a new line at the bottom and add:
[12:50] <jrib> /dev/sdb1 /media/my_stuff ext3 defaults 0 0
[12:50] <jrib> oh sorry, that's wrong
[12:50] <jrib> /dev/sdb1 /media/my_stuff ext3 defaults 0 2
[12:51] <jrib> change "my_stuff" appropriately
[12:51] <BlkGhost> k
[12:51] <jrib> save it
[12:51] <BlkGhost> done
[12:51] <jrib> run 'sudo mount -a'
[12:51] <BlkGhost> k
[12:52] <jrib> when you type 'mount' you should now see /dev/sdb1 mounted on /media/my_stuff
[12:52] <BlkGhost> yeah
[12:52] <jrib> ok, that's it, now you can use /media/my_stuff
[12:52] <jrib> you probably want to setup permissions so your user can access it, see:
[12:53] <jrib> !permissions
[12:53] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[12:53] <jrib> (the second link)
[12:53] <BlkGhost> Why can't I see it on My computer >
[12:53] <jrib> don't know how that's decided
[12:53] <jrib> try hitting "reload" maybe
[12:55] <BlkGhost> so if I reboot
[12:55] <BlkGhost> IT should probley appear and be able to read and write to it ???
[12:55] <jrib> don't know; no
[12:55] <BlkGhost> xcopy
[12:55] <jrib> you need to setup the permissions first
[12:56] <jrib> it will show up in /media/my_stuff from now on though with regards to your first question
[12:58] <rocunreal> jrib you here man?
[12:58] <jrib> rocunreal: hi
[12:58] <rocunreal> what was that fonts directory again?
[12:58] <rocunreal> ::fonts::?
[12:58] <jrib> type 'fonts://'
[12:58] <BlkGhost> all I want is myself to be able to read and write
[12:58] <rocunreal> o thanks sorry about it
[12:59] <jrib> BlkGhost: are there any files in /media/my_stuff now?
[12:59] <rocunreal> Im gonna save it in a text file this time so i wont forget :)
[12:59] <jrib> rocunreal: no problem
[12:59] <rocunreal> peace
[01:01] <BlkGhost> jrib
[01:01] <jrib> BlkGhost:
[01:02] <BlkGhost> jrib I can't copy to it
[01:02] <jrib> k, are there any files currently in it?
[01:03] <BlkGhost> OK fixed it
[01:03] <BlkGhost> I had to hit it
[01:03] <jrib> eh?
[01:03] <BlkGhost> and poof it worked
[01:03] <jrib> erm ok
[01:03] <BlkGhost> yeah I kicked the computer
[01:03] <BlkGhost> no bs
[01:03] <BlkGhost> ITs dented and it works
[01:03] <BlkGhost> wahooo
[01:04] <jrib> hmm, you chown to your user?
[01:04] <BlkGhost> no ..
[01:04] <BlkGhost> shoud I
[01:04] <BlkGhost> ?
[01:04] <BlkGhost> Should I ?
[01:04] <jrib> so what is 'ls -ld /media/my_stuff' returning?
[01:05] <BlkGhost> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2007-09-18 16:02 /media/Filesystem2
[01:05] <jrib> you shouldn't be able to write to it
[01:05] <jrib> if you want your user to own it, you would do: sudo chown $USER: /media/Filesystem2
[01:05] <BlkGhost> well what doI do the chrown it
[01:06] <jrib> don't replace USER, it will be automatically replaced
[01:06] <BlkGhost> do I need the $
[01:06] <jrib> yes
[01:07] <BlkGhost> sudo chmod $user: /media/Filesystem2
[01:07] <BlkGhost> chmod: invalid mode: `:'
[01:07] <jrib> linux is case-sensitive; "USER" is not the same as "user"
[01:08] <BlkGhost> sudo chmod $USER: /media/Filesystem2
[01:08] <BlkGhost> chmod: invalid mode: `root:'
[01:08] <jrib> erm
[01:08] <jrib> two things
[01:09] <jrib> 1. open a terminal as your user, so you are not root
[01:09] <jrib> 2. "chown" instead of "chmod"
[01:09] <BlkGhost> k
[01:10] <BlkGhost> still invalid mode ghost
[01:10] <jrib> did you use "chown" instead of "chmod"?
[01:10] <BlkGhost> yeah
[01:10] <BlkGhost> ok
[01:10] <jrib> can you paste what you typed and the output you got?
[01:11] <BlkGhost> now it says the users name
[01:11] <jrib> what says the user's name/
[01:12] <BlkGhost> drwxr-xr-x 3 george root 4096 2007-09-18 16:02 /media/Filesystem2
[01:12] <jrib> you forgot the :
[01:12] <jrib> sudo chown $USER: /media/Filesystem2
[01:13] <BlkGhost> no its there
[01:13] <jrib> ok, do: sudo chgrp $USER /media/Filesystem2
[01:14] <BlkGhost> now it has george george
[01:15] <jrib> you should be all set then
[01:15] <BlkGhost> thankyou very very very much
[01:15] <BlkGhost> time to reboot for a test :/
[01:15] <jrib> k
[01:16] <BlkGhost> you kick ass thanks again
[01:16] <jrib> you don't need to reboot though
[01:16] <BlkGhost> ???/
[01:16] <jrib> you can just use it now
[01:16] <jrib> might have to hit "reload" in nautilus
[01:16] <BlkGhost> I can't see it in my places list
[01:16] <jrib> oh
[01:17] <jrib> well if it doesn't show up, you can add /media/Filesystem2 as a bookmark in nautilus and then it will be in your Places menu
[01:18] <BlkGhost> yeah that worked
[08:06] <GreyWolfe> You wouldn't happen to be around, would you Jordan_U?
[08:06] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, nope
[08:07] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Still can't boot?
[08:07] <GreyWolfe> nope
[08:07] <GreyWolfe> Well, SGD kinda work
[08:07] <GreyWolfe> s
[08:08] <GreyWolfe> it will boot into my recovery console, but then claims that ntloader.exe is missing. I am wondering if my boot.ini is pointing to the right place.
[08:10] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You would have to ask about that in ##windows, Ubuntu does not boot from SGD ?
[08:11] <GreyWolfe> Nope, I still get error 18
[08:11] <GreyWolfe> Which after thorough investigation in #GRUB should definately not be happening
[08:11] <GreyWolfe> And the problem I am having with fixing boot.ini is that I don't know how to access it. I know what it should actually look like
[08:17] <GreyWolfe> well, isn't ##windows a helpful channel
[08:20] <GreyWolfe> ok, another question, can i still access my windows HD from the live cd and copy some files i want to save?
[08:21] <GreyWolfe> i tried doing gksudo nautilus /dev/sda which should direct to that HD, correct?
[08:23] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, No
[08:25] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, You point it to the mountpoint, not the drive itself, /dev/sda represents a connection to a piece of harware, not the mounted filesystem
[08:25] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, But you shouldn't need to use gksudo anyways
[08:25] <GreyWolfe> ahh
[08:26] <GreyWolfe> well, another problem seems to have arisen anyways, GParted doesnt recognise the partition type of my windows drive, so i assume that nothing is going to be read from there anyways
[08:27] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, What does "sudo fdisk -l" show?
[08:27] <GreyWolfe>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[08:27] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sda1   *           1       23215   186474456   17  Hidden HPFS/NTFS
[08:27] <GreyWolfe> /dev/sda2           23217       24321     8875912+   c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[08:28] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, So fdisk sees it as NTFS just fine
[08:28] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Do you see it in Places -> Computer ?
[08:29] <GreyWolfe> nope
[08:30] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Try installing the package ntfs-config
[08:31] <GreyWolfe> installing now
[08:32] <GreyWolfe> ok, installed, now what?
[08:33] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Go to Applications -> System Tools -> NTFS Configuration Tool
[08:33] <GreyWolfe> ok
[08:34] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Enable write for internal ( and external if you want ) NTFS partitions
[08:34] <GreyWolfe> i dont have the option to write for internal, it is greyed out
[08:35] <Jordan_U> strange
[08:35] <GreyWolfe> mhmm
[08:36] <Jordan_U> I doubt it but maybe everything is considered "external" when running from the LiveCD?
[08:36] <GreyWolfe> thats possible
[08:37] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Enable external write support and see if the partition shows up in Places -> Computer
[08:37] <GreyWolfe> not showing
[08:38] <GreyWolfe> i mean, there really isnt anything super important there, just some code i had written for a game, but i can replace that
[08:38] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Ok, we'll mount it manually
[08:39] <GreyWolfe> ok
[08:39] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, run "sudo mkdir /mnt/windows" "sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows"
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> NTFS signature is missing.
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> Failed to startup volume: Invalid argument
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Invalid argument
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> The device '/dev/sda1' doesn't have a valid NTFS.
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> Maybe you selected the wrong device? Or the whole disk instead of a
[08:40] <GreyWolfe> partition (e.g. /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1)? Or the other way around?
[08:41] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, That doesn't sound good
[08:41] <GreyWolfe> Not at all
[08:41] <GreyWolfe> think formatting it and trying to run windows recovery would work better?
[08:42] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I don't know, but ifyour NTFS partition is toast that would explain why ntloader can't be fount
[08:42] <GreyWolfe> yea
[08:42] <Jordan_U> *found
[08:44] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Are you sure the drive isn't bad?
[08:46] <GreyWolfe> the drive should be fine
[08:46] <GreyWolfe> i ran the diagnostics on the windows recovery thing and it passed everything with flying colours
[08:47] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, Hard drive diagnostics or general hardware diagnostics?
[08:48] <GreyWolfe> both i think
[08:48] <GreyWolfe> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
[08:48] <GreyWolfe> guy in #windows said to try that
[08:53] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I don't think that testdisk does hardware diagnostics
[08:54] <GreyWolfe> ahh
[08:54] <GreyWolfe> well, since it seems the drive is toast anyways, im going to format that partition and attempt to run windows recovery
[08:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I never said the drive was toast
[08:55] <GreyWolfe> ok
[08:55] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I just said that it was a possibility
[08:56] <GreyWolfe> ahh ok
[08:58] <GreyWolfe> well, i really have to leave for now, my gf is going to kill me if im not at her house soon
[08:59] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, I'm going to sleep, good luck
[08:59] <GreyWolfe> thanks, enjoy the sleep
[08:59] <GreyWolfe> and thanks for all the help
[08:59] <Jordan_U> GreyWolfe, No problem


[11:49] <_ruben> rbasak: would you happen to have any clue as what could be the cause of bug #1008385, or in which direction to look?
[11:50] <_ruben> this bug report is pretty much the only info i could find on this matter
[11:52] <rbasak> _ruben: I'm not sure, sorry. I know that processes can modify their process name. Perhaps apache is doing it somewhere and getting it wrong for some reason? It's the sort of thing that probably needs a deep dive.
[11:53] <rbasak> And not being able to reliably reproduce it makes it difficult for anyone who isn't affected, of course.
[11:55] <_ruben> rbasak: that's about as much as i know as well ;)
[11:56] <_ruben> just ran a test on a bunch of servers i happened to be logged in on, at first sight more are affected than not
[11:56] <rbasak> _ruben: an explanation and patches will be greatfully accepted :)
[11:56] <rbasak> err, gratefully
[11:57] <rbasak> That word seems wrong to me this afternoon for some reason
[11:57] <_ruben> hehe
[12:11] <_ruben> wonder what will happen if i install -virtual kernel on a "broken" -generic vm .. will let you know in a bit ;)
[12:32] <rbasak> It might not be kernel related at all.
[12:32] <rbasak> That does seem less like to me, though I wouldn't rule it out.
[12:37] <_ruben> yeah .. finally managed to test booting -virtual .. no change
[12:39] <rbasak> Next I'd look for areas in the source that change the process name, and if there aren't any obvious bugs there, install debug symbols and get going with gdb.
[12:39] <rbasak> But there might be a better way of course
[12:48] <_ruben>  i'll be *peeeep* .. i did a strace on a single worker (apache2 -X) .. no references to /usr/sbin/apach .. turns out: process name is ok
[12:49] <_ruben> rbasak: interesting ... apache2 -k start: OK .. apache2ctl start: FAIL
[12:54] <zul> roaksoax:  ping
[13:01] <rbasak> strace is unlikely to catch it IMHO, if it's a problem with the process name being wrong. IIRC, changing process name doesn't involve a system call.l
[13:01] <rbasak> being set wrong, that is
[13:05] <_ruben> rbasak: the output of strace didn't help, but it did show me something else: apache2 (the binary) isn't responsible, not directly atleast
[13:05] <_ruben> disecting apache2ctl now
[13:05] <_ruben> (files are identical on both "kind" of servers unfortunately)
[13:06] <_ruben> the script is rather simple though
[13:07] <_ruben> ah! ... for some reason apache2 doesn't do proepr stipping for its process name
[13:07] <_ruben> apache2 -k start => apache2 ... /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start => /usr/sbin/apach
[13:10] <stgraber> rbasak: changing process name is done through the prctl syscall, so it should show up in strace
[13:10] <_ruben> stgraber: good to know
[13:10] <rbasak> stgraber: ah. I thought one could just change argv[0]?
[13:11] <_ruben> prctl(PR_SET_NAME, 0x7f0a15811b80, 0, 0, 0) = 0
[13:11] <_ruben> I'm guessing 0x7... is a memory location
[13:16] <rbasak> _ruben: prctl(2) says that PR_SET_NAME is limited to 16 bytes, and should be null-terminated if shorter. "/usr/sbin/apach" is 15 bytes, and the 16th byte could be a null terminator.
[13:16] <rbasak> OTOH, "/usr/sbin/apache" is exactly 16 bytes, so does not need a null terminator.
[13:16] <rbasak> Perhaps there's a code path which limits the name to 15 bytes?
[13:17] <rbasak> (in order to account for the null terminator that isn't actually necessary)?
[13:18] <_ruben> it shouldnt be trying to set it to /usr/sbin/... in the first place
[13:18] <_ruben> the code doesn't call prctl directly though (not for this at least)
[13:20] <rbasak> http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/1XS1vcyaGboxxVcKF2sG
[13:20] <rbasak> Looks like prctl is limited to 16 characters, and overwriting argv still works but is limited to length of the original cmdline.
[13:21] <_ruben>     process->argc = *argc;
[13:21] <_ruben>     process->argv = *argv;
[13:21] <_ruben>     process->short_name = apr_filepath_name_get((*argv)[0]);
[13:21] <_ruben> looks kinda promissing
[13:22] <rbasak> apr probably stands for Apache Portable Runtime. A portability abstraction, IIRC.
[13:23] <JanC> yes, some other applications use APR too
[13:24] <_ruben> but still .. all this doesn't explain how same package version on different systems could behave diffferently .. if it were "a simple" bug that is ;)
[13:25] <rbasak> _ruben: so it depends on how you start the service? I usually use "service apache2 start" rather than calling apachectl or apache2 directly.
[13:25] <_ruben> rbasak: any service wrapper is likely to use apache2ctl
[13:25] <rbasak> _ruben: how many reporters are doing something different that causes it to start differently?
[13:26] <rbasak> _ruben: the only wrapper I'm aware of is /etc/init.d/apache2.
[13:26] <_ruben> rbasak: none probably .. i know i aint
[13:27] <rbasak> Could there be two different code paths in the init script?
[13:29] <_ruben> my curent suspect: a envvar called APACHE_HTTPD .. apache2ctl initializes it to /usr/sbin/apache2, but if you override it to apache2, it works as expected .. let me check on a "good" server
[13:32] <JanC> so, maybe a default config differs between some older and current package versions?
[13:33] <rbasak> How about the upgrade path? Is everyone installing from fresh, or have they upgraded from a previous version?
[13:34] <JanC> rbasak: from the bug report it seems the working ones probably upgraded from 12.04.1, the broken ones installed 12.04.2 directly
[13:34] <_ruben> upgrade or fresh appears to be the very difference between good and bad
[13:36]  * rbasak looks up the diff
[13:36] <_ruben> nope, the envvar isn't it .. changing that also changes the output in `top` .. `top` should list /usr/sbin/apache2 (that is, it does list it like that on both good and bad)
[13:37] <_ruben> which leads back to a bug in apache2's dirname stripping again .. which again would be rather unlikely
[13:37] <_ruben> i hate nasty bugs like this! :P
[13:38] <rbasak> I found them intruiging :)
[13:39] <_ruben> up to a point, sure ;)
[13:39] <rbasak> apachectl was modified in 2.2.22-1ubuntu1.3 though I can't immediately see that it caused this
[13:39] <rbasak> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5932802/
[13:39] <_ruben> the change isnt in apache2ctl directly .. i compared those between a good and bad server
[13:40] <_ruben> i dont have any gdb skills .. or i'd trace the stuff upto the prctl call
[13:41] <_ruben> heck, even that apr_ function goes beyond my C knowledge, and its pretty simple function
[13:43] <roaksoax> zul pong
[13:44] <rbasak> I don't see anything else relevant in the update diffs
[13:44] <zul> roaksoax:  available to do some reviews today?
[13:44] <rbasak> Most of the udpates have been in moduels
[13:45] <_ruben> wonder if it's some obscure libc related thing or something
[13:45] <roaksoax> zul nah :p
[13:46] <zul> roaksoax:  ok then
[13:46] <roaksoax> zul lol i am
[13:48] <rbasak> _ruben: but why would it be random? Or if it is only affecting upgraded systems, what is different about them to cause that to happen?
[13:48] <rbasak> _ruben: anything different in /etc/default/* or /etc/apache2/* between the two systems?
[13:50] <roaksoax> zul just send them my way and ill review them as soon as my network behaves right
[13:50] <zul> roaksoax:  ack
[13:58] <_ruben> rbasak: i dont think its random, just a change that only affects new installs, and not upgrades .. as for changes in those locations: haven't found anything obvious, yet
[14:44] <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to stop Shockwave flash from crashing? I have uninstalled both Flash and my browser (Chrome), installed both from a fresh download, and scanned my computer (come up clean). Everything is updated
[14:45] <^^rcaskey> where does $INTERFACES get set out in /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server?
[15:04] <Techdude1011> Is it possible to customize received snmp traps? I am using traptoemail
[15:28] <zul> Daviey:  fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceilometer/+bug/1206967
[15:29] <mikeey> does samba4 require any additional configuration except of the share definitions?
[15:29] <mikeey> if it does, have anyone got a tutorial or any info regarding it?
[15:33] <Daviey> zul: the declared universe deps, are they covered by MIR?
[15:33] <zul> Daviey:  working on the universe deps MIR right now
[15:33] <Daviey> coolio
[15:47] <jkitchen> question: multipath doesn't seem to be reading the "defaults" stanza of my config file, anyone experienced this issue?
[15:48] <jkitchen> I'm trying to set the default path_grouping_policy to multibus
[15:49] <jkitchen> because I would really rather not have to manually put all of my wwids into the multipath.conf since they'll be pretty much constantly changing (virtualization environment)
[16:06] <chmac> I've got a machine on which mysql / apache do not start at boot. The /etc/init/mysql.conf contains a 'start on runlevel [2345]' line. How else can I debug the issue?
[16:07] <ikonia> chmac: try to start them manually - confirm there is no problem
[16:07] <chmac> ikonia: Yeah, they both start ok
[16:07] <ikonia> that seems odd then
[16:08] <ikonia> chmac: maybe worth putting a touch /tmp/testfile.mysql(or apache) at the start of the script and see if the scripts even get executed
[16:08] <chmac> ikonia: Ok, interesting, to see if maybe upstart is not getting started or something.
[16:09] <chmac> I'm a little out of my depth on this stuff. Thankfully ssh does start!
[16:09] <ikonia> chmac: yes, simple test to see if the scripts even get excuted or not
[16:09] <ikonia> chmac: then you know the problem is not the scripts, but that they aren't getting run
[16:09] <ikonia> chmac: or you know there is a problem with the scripts and you can take it from there
[16:10] <chmac> ikonia: The scripts are the stock, whatever was installed with the system
[16:10] <chmac> ikonia: I'll try that now and reboot. Thanks for the suggestion.
[16:10] <ikonia> chmac: yes, but that doesn't mean there i a problem at boot time
[16:10] <chmac> ikonia: In the pre-start section?
[16:11] <chmac> Ok, so apache is in /etc/init.d/apache2 not /etc/init/
[16:13] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/refresh/+merge/177898
[16:19] <chmac_> This bouncer is on that server, so I lost my connection!
[16:19] <chmac_> ikonia: No files were touched :-(
[16:19] <chmac_> dpkg-reconfigure upstart ?
[16:19] <chmac_> I'm guessing!
[16:25] <ikonia> chmac: interesting so it didn't run
[16:25] <ikonia> chmac: so check what those scripts depend on
[16:25] <ikonia> chmac: or make sure those scripts actually do run when called directory
[16:27] <chmac> ikonia: The /etc/init.d/apache2 script I can execute directly like `/etc/init.d/apache2 status` and I get the expected output
[16:27] <chmac> ikonia: But /etc/init/mysql.conf is not an executable file...
[16:35] <chmac> ikonia: I gotta run, thanks for the help, I've made some progress in understanding. I'll get into it again another time. :-)
[17:17] <zul> adam_g/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/neutron/refresh/+merge/177910
[17:48] <Shadowandlight> semi off topic.... what should the privileges look like for a mysql user who only needs to read/write access to there specific database? - i know this is too much (i think?) http://i.imgur.com/CBLdvMA.png
[17:48] <Shadowandlight> but im not sure what to pare it down to
[17:48] <Shadowandlight> do i uncheck everything in "administration"?
[17:52] <ikonia> chmac: you still there ?
[17:55] <roaksoax> Madkiss: howdy! so just wanted to let you know that I have a few patches for your packaging. I've also packaged 'dlm' and dropped redhat-cluster from Ubuntu
[17:55] <roaksoax> Madkiss: so this means we now fully support pacemaker + corosync 2.0 and bye bye cman
[17:56] <Madkiss> cool.
[17:57] <Madkiss> i'm hunting a bug right now that affects pacemaker.
[17:57] <roaksoax> Madkiss: i'll also be forwarding dlm packaging to you by EOW
[17:57] <Madkiss> wonderful, thanks
[18:11] <vedic> I have installed pgbouncer using dpkg. When I try to start it (/etc/init.d/pgbouncer start) there is no output. Even I don't see the log file created into /var/log/postgres/pgbouncer.log . How to know what is the problem?
[18:57] <chmac> ikonia: Was offline, but my bouncer was on, so I'm seeing your message now… :-)
[19:02] <Peryton272> I'm having a problem installing Ubuntu Server to my Dell PowerEdge 2600. Is this the right place to be?
[19:04] <sarnold> Peryton272: sure
[19:04] <Peryton272> so I boot from the disk that has the .iso on it, but when it boots my server no longer recognizes my USB keyboard so I cant even select a language or anything.
[19:08] <Peryton272> the keyboard works fine in the Dell bios but as soon as I try to boot from the disk that has Ubuntu on it, the keyboard stops working
[19:09] <sarnold> Peryton272: some BIOSes have a setting for how to handle usb keyboards and mice; it's intended to help along OSes without USB support, like many win95, win2k releases, but if you fiddle with it, you might get lucky?
[19:09] <Peryton272> alright I'll see if I can find something
[19:17] <Peryton272> sarnold: I got it to work. Thank you!
[19:21] <sarnold> Peryton272: cool, what was it?
[19:21] <Peryton272> just what you said. I had to turn on the bios support for USB devices
[19:22] <sarnold> Peryton272: crazy. that shouldn't have been needed since 2.0 or 2.2 kernels, I forget which it's been long enough... anyway. hooray. :)
[19:26] <Peryton272> sarnold: now it's saying "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU."
[19:27] <Peryton272> sarnold: What does that mean? lol I haven't done anything with servers before
[19:27] <sarnold> Peryton272: there's two images for x86 systems, i386 and amd64. the amd64 ones will require the x86-64 CPUs, but it sounds like you've got a machine that'll require the i386 image instead
[19:29] <Peryton272> sarnold: oh ok. Could you point me in the right direction to get that?
[19:30] <sarnold> Peryton272: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server   note the 'choose your flavour' drop down, you'll want the 32 bit option
[19:31] <Peryton272> sarnold: awesome thank you
[19:33] <ikonia> chmac: there ?
[19:37] <caraconan> Hi there. How can disable this apparmor filter? http://paste.org/66396 It's a VM inside a KVM hypervisor. Thanks
[19:40] <caraconan> Just removing /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/libvirt-VM-UUID files ?
[19:41] <caraconan> Looks like is performing a: sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown
[19:43] <sarnold> wow, running without apparmor? brave man
[20:03] <patdk-wk> sarnold, apt-get remove apparmor
[20:04] <goddard> i am trying to change apache document route for default to /home/goddard/Web/
[20:04] <goddard> but i am getting 403 error
[20:06] <patdk-wk> goddard, heh?
[20:07] <goddard> patdk-wk: i am trying to change the default apache document route from /var/www/
[20:07] <goddard> to /home/goddard/Web/
[20:08] <patdk-wk> goddard, ya, but apparmor doesn't block that
[20:08] <patdk-wk> what version of ubuntu?
[20:08] <goddard> 13.04
[20:09] <patdk-wk> maybe that is why, I'm in 12.04 as my servers stick to lts
[20:10] <patdk-wk> and there is no policy to block that
[20:10] <genii> Why not use userdir with UserDir Web instead of UserDir public_html, and Directory /home/*/Web>  instead of  Directory /home/*/public_html>   ... in the userdir.conf file
[20:10] <jdstrand> apache is not confined by apparmor by default
[20:10] <patdk-wk> genii doesn't matter
[20:11] <goddard> just a test server
[20:11]  * genii sips and ponders
[20:11] <goddard> i didnt wanna do anything complicated
[20:24] <jose> Hey, guys! I don't konw if you can give me a hand with my DNS server in Ubuntu, which appearently doesn't work (using bind9)
[20:41] <jkitchen> I figured it out. apparently the 'device' defaults override my explicit defaults in multipath.conf, so I just added a devices/device stanza and set what I wanted. works great!
[20:45] <jose> oh, nvm. Looks like I was missing some reverse record. thanks anyways!
[21:27] <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to stop Shockwave flash from crashing? I have uninstalled both Flash and my browser (Chrome), installed both from a fresh download, and scanned my computer (come up clean). Everything is updated
[21:28] <sarnold> LLckfan: file a bug report with adobe?
[21:30] <LLckfan> sarnold I have
[21:31] <LLckfan> Never got an answer
[21:33] <Patrickdk> weeee, watchs debian 3.0 install to an ssd
[22:00] <tux050> My postfix server keeps sending Error 501s.
[22:01] <tux050> I don't have domain, but I have the external ip address in the config file.
[22:01] <tux050> *an MX domain
[22:02] <ikonia> how are you sending mail to it though ?
[22:02] <tux050> from my gmail account
[22:02] <ikonia> how though if you don't have a domain ?
[22:02] <tux050> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:03] <ikonia> is it getting there ?
[22:03] <tux050> no
[22:03] <tux050> but there are error logs
[22:03] <ikonia> so it is hitting the server but getting rejected ?
[22:03] <tux050> 501/invalid address from mail.blahblah.gmail.com
[22:03] <tux050> yes
[22:03] <tux050> What would I need to change in my config?
[22:04] <ikonia> invalid address suggests that server is not aware of that user/domain combination
[22:04] <tux050> ok.  how do I fix that?
[22:05] <ikonia> do a "HELO" test locally to root@ip
[22:05] <ikonia> see if it works
[22:06] <tux050> it seems to
[22:06] <tux050> it gives a 250
[22:06] <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to stop Shockwave flash from crashing? I have uninstalled both Flash and my browser (Chrome), installed both from a fresh download, and scanned my computer (come up clean). Everything is updated
[22:06] <ikonia> tux050: ahh are you using a nat ?
[22:07] <tux050> yeah
[22:07] <ikonia> I wonder if that's the issue
[22:07] <tux050> I was giving it it's external ip address though.
[22:07] <ikonia> eg: the server is listening on <IP_ADDRESS> - but when it gets rom external.ip it doesn't know about it
[22:07] <tux050> maybe
[22:09] <Patrickdk> this is all pointless
[22:09] <Patrickdk> you need to pastebin 'postconf -n' and the logs
[22:10] <ikonia> yup
[22:18] <tux050> would "myhostname" have anything to do with this?
[22:18] <tux050> should that be set to the external IP?
[22:19] <ikonia> that's what it sets up what it's listening on
[22:21] <tux050> also, what are aliases?
[22:22] <tux050> never mind, I got it
[22:38] <joshu> hi can someone please have a look at my upstart script because i'm not confident it's working as it should https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ed8b9b4e54bc66e079af
[22:39] <LLckfan> Hello
[22:39] <LLckfan> Does any1 know how to stop Shockwave flash from crashing? I have uninstalled both Flash and my browser (Chrome), installed both from a fresh download, and scanned my computer (come up clean). Everything is updated
[22:42] <Patrickdk> LLckfan, ubuntu-server doesn't have a gui, so flach and crome are unsupported in this channel
[22:44] <sarnold> joshu: you might want to use 'setuid test' rather than su -c .. test
[22:44] <sarnold> joshu: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#setuid
[22:44] <joshu> hi sarnold initially I tried that from the exact link, but it wouldn't work
[22:45] <joshu> don't know why
[22:45] <sarnold> joshu: did you get any error messages in the logs or on the screen?
[22:46] <joshu> not on the screen, but when I tried to scan the brscan-skey wasn't producing a file as it does with su -c or if I start it manually as user test with brscan-skey.
[22:46] <joshu> I can try again now
[22:47] <joshu> testing now will report back after I reboot and try to scan
[22:49] <joshu> sarnold ok just tested with setuid test, scanned fine, but no document was created in /home/test/brscan as it should
[22:51] <sarnold> joshu: any error messages in log files?
[22:51] <joshu> sarnold /ar/log/syslog ?
[22:52] <sarnold> joshu: check also /var/log/upstart/brscan-skey-daemon
[22:53] <sarnold> joshu: if there's nothing obvious there, try adding a chdir /home/test/brscan/  to the config: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#chdir
[22:53] <joshu> sarnold https://gist.github.com/anonymous/fc59b7641918b9f516c4
[22:54] <joshu> it's trying to write to /brscan and not /home/test/brscan
[22:54] <sarnold> joshu: cool, that might be fixed by the 'chdir' ..
[22:55] <joshu> ok going to test
[22:57] <sarnold> joshu: note that you don't have to reboot to test that -- you can just service brscan-skey-daemon restart
[22:59] <joshu> sarnold oh ok tried with chdir but it is still writing to /brscan
[22:59] <sarnold> joshu: what's the home directory for the test user?
[23:00] <joshu> "/home/test/brscan"
[23:00] <joshu> I tried chdir /home/test/brscan
[23:01] <sarnold> joshu: try just chdir /home/test, and try changing the home directory in /etc/passwd to just /home/test as well
[23:03] <joshu> ok let me try one sec
[23:03] <joshu> still same thing
[23:04] <joshu> tiff2pdf: Can't open output file /brscan/20130801010332_27436.pdf for writing.
[23:04] <joshu> I don't know what su -c does instead of setuid that the former works
[23:06] <sarnold> joshu: hrm, me neither. you could go back to su -c ..
[23:07] <joshu> ok is the script otherwise written ok? something I found odd is that if i kill the process using sudo kill <number> and then do sudo status brscan…. the process number is the same. Doesn't seem right to be if it respawns?


[00:00] <helpme472> how I can set sftp on my proftpd without shell access
[00:02] <billybigrigger> helpme472 just disable a shell for that user
[00:03] <billybigrigger> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-prevent-normal-users-from-logging-into-system.html
[00:03] <billybigrigger> set the shell from /bin/bash to /sbin/nologin
[00:03] <billybigrigger> errr nbm
[00:04] <billybigrigger> its /bin/false i think in ubuntu
[00:04] <billybigrigger> ya there it is...
[00:04] <billybigrigger> helpme472 sudo usermod -s /bin/false USERNAME
[00:08] <billybigrigger> any network gurus around to help with a dnsmasq server problem?
[00:08] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/2152499
[00:09] <helpme472> what is your probleme
[00:09] <billybigrigger> im trying to connect to my vpn server...but seems there's a problem with 12.04 and dnsmasq
[00:10] <billybigrigger> dnsmasq:
[00:10] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 2.59-4  Candidate: 2.59-4
[00:11] <Mischinka> How do I set all files permissions recursively? and how do i set all folders recursively?
[00:12] <billybigrigger> chmod -R xxxx /xxxx/
[00:13] <Mischinka> chmod -R 0755 /directory/ ?
[00:13] <billybigrigger> xxxx = permisions /xxxx/ = folder ot apply to
[00:13] <billybigrigger> yeah
[00:13] <Mischinka> how do i do all files recursively?
[00:13] <billybigrigger> -$
[00:13] <billybigrigger> -R
[00:17] <mischaghost> wow bluescreen of death
[00:20] <mischaghost> so: chmod -$ -R 0655 /directory/   that will change all the files?
[00:24] <billybigrigger> oops
[00:24] <billybigrigger> -R only
[00:24] <billybigrigger> remove the -$ that was my type
[00:24] <billybigrigger> typo...ffs :P
[00:25] <mischaghost> What about only files and not folders?
[00:26] <nathwill> find /path/ -type f -exec chmod -655 {} \;
[00:27] <nathwill> er
[00:27] <nathwill> 0655
[00:27] <nathwill> find /path/ -type f -exec chmod 0655 {} \;
[00:27] <e2b04836>  find . -type f -exec chmod 0655 {} +
[00:30] <mischaghost> find . -type f -exec chmod 0655 {} + && find . -type d -exec chmod 0755 {} +
[00:30] <mischaghost> does that look right?
[00:30] <nathwill> no
[00:31] <nathwill> what is this + business?
[00:32] <nathwill> never seen it... it seemed to work.. i may be wrong about that
[00:40] <three18ti> what do you think of configserver firewall?
[01:41] <mgw> anybody have scripts for grabbing ssh keys from ldap?
[01:44] <twb> mgw: ssh-import-id can pull it from HTTP
[01:45] <twb> mgw: monkeysphere can pull it from a GPG keyserver
[01:45] <twb> mgw: don't know of anything for LDAP
[01:49] <mgw> twb: thanks
[02:32] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[02:33] <mattwj2002> how do you make a private cloud system?
[02:56] <KingKatari> i am running ubuntu 11.10 server, How do i fix a task leak as it is causing tasks that are <defunct>
[03:06] <twb> Fix the parent process's child handling
[03:06] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process
[03:20] <KingKatari> oh god i have no clue where that call needs to go in this app since it is written in python3
[03:23] <arooni-mobile> hi folks; recently upgraded from 11.10 to 12.04;  here is my sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002316/ ... but now when i try to move over apt selectoins from one box to another i'm stuck:  https://gist.github.com/2773094 ... ideas?
[03:24] <twb> KingKatari: file a bug report
[03:25] <twb> KingKatari: or talk to #python about it, I guess
[03:25] <arooni-mobile> can anyone help me with my package dependency
[03:25] <twb> arooni-mobile: why are you doing dselect-upgrade ?
[03:25] <arooni-mobile> twb trying to move dpkg selections from one box to another
[03:26] <twb> dselect is only for people so old, they tuck their beards between their legs
[03:26] <arooni-mobile> what would you recommend
[03:26] <twb> What does "aptitude install" have to say?
[03:27] <arooni-mobile> somehwat related q; should backporgts all be disabled
[03:28] <twb> Do not enable backports unless you know what you're doing and you definitely want them
[03:29] <arooni-mobile> thats what i thought
[03:29] <arooni-mobile> ubuntu upgrade process enables by default
[03:30] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/170709/ is about what it should look like (modulo release name)
[03:31] <twb> I am surprised that do-release-upgrade enables is by default.
[03:31] <twb> I am surprised that do-release-upgrade enables it by default.
[03:31] <arooni-mobile> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002318/
[03:31] <arooni-mobile> thats what aptitude thinks
[03:31] <arooni-mobile> does that sound good?
[03:31] <arooni-mobile> twb, i was suprised too
[03:32] <twb> Well first ignore all the :i386 sections because they're biarch crap
[03:33] <arooni-mobile> yeah i think i may be moving from a 32 bit to a 64 bit system
[03:33] <twb> Hmm, are you migrating from i386 to amd64?
[03:33] <twb> Ah, OK, that's probably the root cause of all this
[03:33] <arooni-mobile> bad job david
[03:33] <twb> WHat I would do is instead of using --set-selections, be a bit lazy
[03:33] <twb> aptitude -F %p --disable-columns search '!~M~i'
[03:34] <twb> arooni-mobile: ^ that will emit a list of packages you actually asked for, not including the version numbers
[03:34] <arooni-mobile> ah goodies
[03:34] <twb> arooni-mobile: then try apt-get installing those packages only, on the new box
[03:34] <twb> Beforehand, on the new box, you might want to do something like "aptitude keep ~T" (IIRC) to say "forget about all those changes I asked for before"
[03:35] <arooni-mobile> ok so once i have the new selections redirected to a text file;  what would you use to run the install?
[03:35] <arooni-mobile> as dselect is apparently a silly tool ;p
[03:35] <twb> aptitude install foo bar baz quux
[03:36] <twb> i.e. just pass those package names on the command line
[03:36] <arooni-mobile> but if i try to pipe the text file into it like: aptitude install < versionless-selections ... nothing really happens
[03:36] <arooni-mobile> i admit i'm a bit of a command line noob
[03:41] <twb> Yes; don't do that
[03:41] <twb> Try aptitude install `cat list-of-packages.txt`
[03:43] <arooni-mobile> that doesnt seem to install
[03:44] <twb> Then I give up
[03:44] <twb> pastebin the output of your 13:33 <twb> aptitude -F %p --disable-columns search '!~M~i'
[03:47] <arooni-mobile> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1002325/
[03:47] <yaboo> hi all, followed the firewall/router ubuntu how to, how does one forward ports to another machine within my internal network?
[03:50] <twb> arooni-mobile: perhaps all those packages are already installed?
[03:50] <arooni-mobile> yeah i think youre actually right
[03:50] <arooni-mobile> while iw as waiting for your comand i wrote a bash program
[03:50] <arooni-mobile> that i think did the trick
[04:50] <yaboo> have a issue with ufw, I have opened up ports 53 domain, but it seems my dns cannot talk to the outside world.
[04:50] <yaboo> what else do I need to do.
[04:54] <twb> yaboo: pastebin output of "iptables-save -c"
[04:55] <redactd> hi has anyone had problems with courier-imap-ssl not working since 12.04? I am getting error SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert bad certificate in mail.log. imap works fine unsecure.
[04:56] <twb> redactd: I use dovecot; the Ubuntu Server Guide also recommends dovecot AFAIK.
[04:57] <redactd> twb, much more of a learning curve than courier?
[04:57] <twb> But it sounds like a simple case of it not finding your certs.  Do you have a custom cert hierarchy, or what?
[04:57] <yaboo> twb http://pastebin.com/6Sw1gheH
[04:57] <twb> I have never used courier.  Dovecot is not hard IME, but I have not done very much complex with it -- most of the cleverness, I do in postfix.
[04:58] <redactd> twb, i use custom certs which are generated and installed with courier on install
[04:58] <twb> redactd: on install of the courier .deb ?
[04:58] <redactd> twb, yep
[04:58] <twb> I mean, does the .deb do them and you just use what it provides, or are you doing something on top of what the .deb provides
[04:59] <redactd> .deb does it.
[04:59] <twb> OK so they are probably snakeoil certs or something
[05:00] <twb> I would be looking into that, and likewise the client side if you're using client-side certs, also see if your old courier was using gnutls and the new one is using openssl, or vice-versa
[05:01] <twb> e.g. slapd+gnutls has problems (I make no assertion as to whether that's openldap's fault, or gnutls's fault)
[05:01] <redactd> it uses openssl afaik. setup with pam (only basic mail server) - just reinstalled and noticed interesting error
[05:02] <twb> Obviously you can also try usual things like turning the debugging up
[05:03] <redactd> it is a cert error - the imapd.pem no such file or dir :S
[05:04] <redactd> errors while installing .deb didn't notice it before now
[05:05] <redactd> prob unrelated though. will just give dovecot a go instead i think
[05:07] <redactd> twb, out of curiosity how would i turn debugging up on a service like that? do you have a link or something similar? or just google it?
[05:08] <twb> redactd: depends on the daemon, read the manpages and so on
[05:08] <redactd> rgr will do ty
[05:08] <twb> no rgr here...
[05:21] <yaboo> two did you look at my pastebin
[05:22] <twb> yaboo: I got distracted.
[05:22] <yaboo> ok
[05:23] <twb> Your firewall is bizarro, it should be using conntrack (or state) in FORWARD.  IIRC ufw should do that by default...
[05:25] <twb> yaboo: it looks like /etc/ufw/before.rules didn't get loaded
[05:25] <twb> yaboo: what release of Ubuntu does lsb_release -a say you're running?
[05:25] <yaboo> two when I start "ufw enable" I get the error failed to start ufw-init?
[05:25] <yaboo> 12.04
[05:26] <twb> yaboo: it's "twb"
[05:26] <yaboo> twb apologies
[05:28] <twb> yaboo: to be honest, I think you should turn ufw off, then purge and reinstall it, and punch in your ufw rules again
[05:28] <twb> yaboo: if that still has problems, suggest you drop ufw and just learn to do it by hand, in #netfilter
[05:29] <yaboo> two ok can be done tonight then
[05:29] <yaboo> twb to do it by hand where would Iput the rules, and more worried, I do not know enough about iptables to get me through
[05:30] <twb> Right; you will have to learn
[05:31] <twb> For basic needs like you have, it is not too hard
[05:31] <yaboo> two right I do, but no idea to start where
[05:31] <yaboo> twb last time I followed something I found on google
[05:31] <KingKatari> what could be causing Connection timeouts / socket hang-ups
[05:31] <yaboo> two if your around later will try
[05:31] <yaboo> twb
[05:32] <yaboo> auto correction
[05:32] <twb> KingKatari: insufficient data
[05:35] <KingKatari> i am running Ubuntu Server 11.10 and i get a high amount of connections from a ipaddress on a very specific port for a service i run on that port, well after 10 to 30 seconds i start getting abunch of connection timeouts and or socket hang-ups
[05:37] <KingKatari> would somaxconn have something to do with that?
[05:40] <rbasak> KingKatari: sounds like your service can't keep up
[05:40] <KingKatari> no the service is actully waiting for for connections when this is happing
[05:44] <nil8> Yo
[06:16] <Syria_> Hi, i have a VPS server running under Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS, Please help me with installing vpn service on it because I want add an account in order to use it on my Ipad.
[06:58] <RoyK> hm... i have, for various reasons, installed Bacula from source. What's the easy way to blacklist the bacula\* packages?
[06:59] <syria> Hi, Can I use openvpn on my ubuntu server? so I can connect to it using my ipad? please...
[07:01] <_ruben> syria: yes (assuming ipads support openvpn)
[07:01] <twb> iphones speak l2tp/ipsec, cisco ipsec, and pptp
[07:02] <syria> _ruben:  My VPS is running under  ubuntu server 10.04 LTS, How can I configure it to accept VPN connections please?
[07:02] <twb> syria: you need to ask ##macosx or something about ios, we don't support it.
[07:02] <bioman> Hello
[07:03] <twb> "In 1996 Frederik Schodt characterized the typical reader as a twenty-eight-year-old systems engineer who works at a finance company, eats at ramen noodle shops and is seriously considering using a matchmaking service." --- haha
[07:03] <syria> twb: I want to configure my ubuntu server to become a VPN server, So I can connect to it later using my ipad or anything else that supports vpn.
[07:03] <twb> Oops, wrong channel.
[07:03] <syria> Where should I go? :(
[07:04] <twb> syria: oh.  I assumed you already had that working, because you were asking about openvpn.
[07:04] <bioman> Want to change drbl stable to drbl testing. I've change in /etc/apt/sources.list to testing, done a aptitude update, a aptitude upgrade but no drbl testing. So aptitude install drbl but it says I have the latest version :/ What's wrong please ? (ubuntu server 11.10)
[07:04] <syria> twb: Nope, I have no idea where to start from.
[07:05] <rcsheets> RoyK: might this work? http://askubuntu.com/a/76075
[07:05] <twb> syria: well first you work out what devices you are required to support, then you pick the least shit technology that they all support.
[07:05] <twb> syria: since that will be PPTP, you will need a bottle of vodka at this point
[07:05] <syria> twb:  o.0
[07:06] <syria> I want it to support my Ipad. I am at work now vodka is not allowed :P
[07:31] <yaboo> two syria, I got pptp working in like 20 minutes and love it, for my iOS devices
[07:34] <twb> yaboo: pptp is completely insecure
[07:34] <twb> That is why, if you deploy it, you will need to drown your sorrows in strong liquor
[07:35] <yaboo> twb yes I understand, but what else do you recomend for iOS devices
[07:35] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPTP#Security_of_the_PPTP_protocol
[07:35] <twb> yaboo: lt2p/ipsec
[07:35] <yaboo> two tried that and I needed strong liquor just reading about it.
[07:36] <twb> Granted.
[07:36] <twb> Security is always at odds with convenience
[07:37] <yaboo> twb you are correct
[07:52] <SpamapS> I dunno if I'd agree that security *always* is at odds with convenience.
[07:53] <SpamapS> Active security usually is, but sometimes passive efforts can increase security without compromising convenience. Such as intrusion detection systems which simply report..
[07:55] <twb> SpamapS: if they just report and no human acts on them, they aren't much of a security layer
[07:55] <_ruben> how does reporting increase security, by itself
[07:55] <twb> And they inhibit convenience in that the system is infinitesimally slower to respond :-)
[07:56] <SpamapS> twb: I think there are 3 dimensions. Convenience, Risk, and Cost.
[07:56] <yaboo> want to setup free version of splunk and munin
[07:56] <twb> If you keep going, I might suspect you're trying to add some factual accuracy into my aphorism
[07:56] <SpamapS> twb: the traditional 2 dimensional scale implies a "state" of "secure" .. but really, you need a process.. and that process has to figure in cost.
[07:57] <SpamapS> twb: no, just trying to spark a discussion that will bore me to sleep :)
[07:58] <_ruben> hehe
[07:58] <SpamapS> _ruben: if the IDS is worth anything, it will know when risk has increased, and just tell you, or even take action to reduce it. Cost would be high, but convenience (system performance and admin involvement) stay the same.
[07:59] <SpamapS> also inline lossy ethernet taps do not slow down ethernet
[07:59] <twb> "Having a D-Bus interface means that applications wanting to print automatically get to use printerd asynchronously."
[07:59] <twb> ...uh, because talking to localhost:631 was synchronous?
[07:59] <SpamapS> twb: those who do not understand unix are doomed to repeat it.
[07:59] <twb> SpamapS: unfortunately, those people are building the entire goddamn desktop
[08:00] <twb> Especially lennart
[08:00] <twb> >rage<
[08:00] <SpamapS> but its *SHINY*
[08:00] <SpamapS> -->> shiny
[08:00] <SpamapS> see it, over there
[08:00] <twb> I want so badly to beat some sense into them
[08:00] <SpamapS> twb: no, its important that pid1 implement everything that Linus has said no to putting in the kernel.
[08:01] <twb> That way we will reduce the number of pids on the system, to 1 + chrome
[08:01] <twb> Which is important, I guess, because pids are scarce?
[08:01] <SpamapS> as scarce as pinheads
[08:02] <SpamapS> twb: its not pid scarcity.. its just that all those pids clutter up top.
[08:02] <twb> oh noes!
[08:02] <SpamapS> who needs crond, and dbus, and udev? You can just let your whole system go down in one fiery ball!
[08:02] <twb> Anyway my top is alreayd unusably full with jbd/1 through 32
[08:03] <twb> Seriously, I had to stop using top and learn to use ps because of all the per-core kernel threads
[08:03] <SpamapS> twb: IIRC htop has a "hide kernel threads" option buried somewhere in there
[08:03] <SpamapS> "K"
[08:03] <twb> htop is stupid tho
[08:04] <twb> I KNOW its stupid because even my manager recommends it
[08:04] <twb> ...that and it's not part of ubuntu-minimal, so I'd have to explicitly ask for it.
[08:04] <SpamapS> having a top w/ tree support is pretty nice
[08:04] <twb> SpamapS: I just ps uxf
[08:04] <SpamapS> twb: so do I
[08:04] <twb> watch ps uxf -- there now you have htop thread
[08:05] <SpamapS> but when I want to leave one thing running to see what my latest insanity has done to break the system, watch ps auxfw isn't usually informative enough
[08:05] <twb> Seriously, what is the advantage of top over watch + ps?
[08:05] <twb> AFAICT it's basically just that you can use arrow keys instead of ps arguments
[08:06] <SpamapS> twb: you'd need watch 'sh -c "free -m ; uname -a ; ps auxw" ..
[08:06] <SpamapS> twb: and then to change even the slightest thing (sort.. etc) you'd have to ctrl-c.. change it.. start it back up
[08:06] <twb> I turn that stuff off anyway because it means you only see about 10 line of processes
[08:06] <twb> At least on an 80x25
[08:06] <SpamapS> what, you only use 80x25 terminals?
[08:07] <SpamapS> You do realize 23" LCD's are < $150.. :right?
[08:07] <twb> SpamapS: you think if I let KMS try to negotiate with a crappy KVM, while not switched to that KVM at boot, it will work?
[08:07] <twb> Actually it doesn't work even when I blacklist modesetting and vga16fb, on lucid boxes, to my great annoyance.  I haven't quite cared enough to isolate it.
[08:07] <SpamapS> twb: remote KVM should be something you only need in *dire* situations
[08:08] <twb> SpamapS: by KVM I mean the thing that slides out of the rack that has a LCD and a keyboard, and a bunch of VGA/USB cables hanging out the back
[08:09] <twb> Not some horrible IPMI thing that needs a java client to access the RFB stream, nor a riced-up qemu
[08:09] <SpamapS> twb: right, so thats like, what, something you have up for extreme situations
[08:10] <SpamapS> I don't think I'd use top on that either ;)
[08:10] <twb> OK, granted, when things are working well I can ssh in from my netbook, but I'm a sysadmin -- if things are working I am back in the batcave waiting for the batsignal
[08:11] <SpamapS> twb: I always viewed going to the server console as an admission of failure :-P
[08:11] <twb> Well, yes
[08:11] <SpamapS> twb: for me, I just racked them, got them onto the network with ILO and PXE enabled, and never saw them again.
[08:12] <twb> If I have suceeded, I will be paid to sit here reading a book until I die
[08:12] <SpamapS> that was when I had actual servers
[08:12] <twb> I hate ILO, it's such a pain in the arse
[08:12] <SpamapS> Yeah I never liked it much
[08:12] <twb> It's RFB under the hood but they wrap it in all this java shit
[08:12] <SpamapS> but it worked better than most IPMI things
[08:13] <SpamapS> and certainly simpler to use than DRAC
[08:13] <twb> An I mean I'm on an ARM netbook with 1GB RAM and about 6GB of nonvolatile storage
[08:13] <twb> As if java is going to even work
[08:13] <SpamapS> wtf.. ?
[08:13] <SpamapS> time to get an ultrabook
[08:13] <twb> SpamapS: x86 has lame battery life
[08:14] <SpamapS> yeah, 5.5 hours seems pretty lame for something that weighs the same as an ipad
[08:14] <twb> I get 14h on my 1kg netbook, it was 16h when I bought it
[08:14] <twb> Anyway, rather than IPMI/ILO/DRAC what I'd really like is for the BIOS to just make itself usable over the serial port
[08:15] <SpamapS> twb: but then you have to put serial cables in all your boxes
[08:15] <twb> Since it's ultimately just an 80x25 screen anyway, and pushing it through RFB (let alone java) is just inexcusable blnoat
[08:15] <SpamapS> even if you have a nice USB way to do it
[08:15] <twb> SpamapS: what, you run ILO over the same cat5 as its normal IP?
[08:16] <SpamapS> no, but network is ubiquitous
[08:16] <twb> SpamapS: that means you're trusting that network
[08:16] <twb> SpamapS: yeah well, serial to 8p8c is not that hard
[08:16] <SpamapS> I actually used red for ilo, and blue for regular network. yellow was DMZ
[08:16] <twb> Definitely better than VGA which you'd need in an emergency
[08:17] <SpamapS> twb: never had issues w/ ILO.. but meh.. I've achieved my stated goal of boring myself to sleep
[08:17] <twb> Bear in mind I haven't actually had a chance to make this work, so I am still operating in fantasy land where it will actually be implemented sanely
[08:17] <twb> SpamapS: that will be $5 or two beers
[08:17] <twb> :-)
[09:10] <Sander^work> Do anyone know why I got dropped into a grub shell after upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04? I think I didn't upgrade grub.
[09:11] <Sander^work> What do I need to do, to upgrade grub, so it will boot again?
[09:17] <lynxman> morning o/
[09:18] <twb> Sander^work: does it give an error?
[09:18] <Sander^work> twb: no, just a grub shell.
[10:52] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[11:21] <streulma> hello
[11:26] <Syria> Hello!
[11:26] <Syria> Who konws what is this used for? ssh -D "port" "user@address"
[11:26] <Daviey> Syria: local socks proxy over ssh
[11:27] <Daviey> man ssh , should provide more info.
[11:27] <Syria> Daviey: Yes, When I use that command in my terminal I go to firefox browser and use this socks proxy <IP_ADDRESS> and the port number.
[11:28] <Daviey> right
[11:28] <Daviey> So what is the question?
[11:28] <Syria> Daviey: This helps me to bypass some blocked sites by my ISP.
[11:28] <Daviey> right, but what is your question? :)
[11:28] <Syria> Daviey: Can I broadcast this connection to my Ipad via a wireless ad-hoc?
[11:29] <Daviey> technically you can.. but why not just set up a VPN?
[11:29] <Syria> Daviey:  It was hard for so i have decided to search for an easeir way. :(
[11:30] <Syria> Daviey: Because Ipad supports l2pt, pptp and Ipsec VPN.
[11:31] <Syria> Daviey:  Can you help me with this please?
[11:40] <Daviey> Syria: ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:4000 user@adress
[11:41] <Daviey> then set socks as the ip address of your machine, port 4000.  Note, it's not authenticated. so, anyone on the network can use your proxy.
[11:46] <Syria> Sorry Lost my connection. :(
[11:48] <Syria> DavidLevin:  After ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:4000 user@address ..... could you please tell me again what should I do to use this tunnel on my ipad as well?
[11:48] <Daviey> 12:40 < Daviey> Syria: ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:4000 user@adress
[11:48] <Daviey> 12:41 < Daviey> then set socks as the ip address of your machine, port 4000.  Note, it's not authenticated. so, anyone on the network can use your proxy.
[11:49] <Daviey> *not* <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:49] <Syria> Daviey: Thank you for your help and sorry because I ask too much... But should I set the socks as the ip address of the ipad or the laptop??
[11:50] <Daviey> Syria: on your laptop, use the command as above.. on your ipad; set the socks proxy as the ip address of your laptop and port 4000.
[11:51] <Syria> Daviey:  What if I don't have ssh on my Ipad? I bought a new one and I am being completly unable to install any program because I live in a blocked country by apple store.
[11:52] <Syria> Daviey: That is why I want to broadcast this connection via ad-hoc wireless.
[11:53] <Daviey> Syria: i'm not convinced you are listening :)
[11:54] <Daviey> Syria: ipad will not know it's using ssh, it will know it's using a socks proxy only (via your laptop).. i assume ipad can support socks, that is
[11:54] <Syria> *reading again*
[11:59] <streulma> Ipad can I think
[12:03] <ikonia> I don't think itunes supports socks proxy, just http
[12:03] <ikonia> (or the app store)
[12:06] <Syria> DavidLevin:  ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:1236<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is this correct?
[12:07] <Syria> Daviey: ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:1236<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is this correct?
[12:07] <Syria> sorry!
[12:07] <Daviey> No!
[12:08] <Daviey> 12:48 < Daviey> 12:40 < Daviey> Syria: ssh -D <IP_ADDRESS>:4000 user@adress
[12:08] <Daviey> 12:48 < Daviey> 12:41 < Daviey> then set socks as the ip address of your machine, port 4000.  Note, it's not authenticated. so, anyone on the network can use your proxy.
[12:08] <Daviey> 12:49 < Daviey> *not* <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:08] <Syria> sorry!
[12:08] <Syria> ssh -D myipaddress:4000 user@address
[12:10] <Daviey> NO NO NO
[12:11] <Daviey> Syria: <IP_ADDRESS> (although your ip address will also work)
[12:15] <matti> Daviey: :)
[12:17] <KristianDK> Do you guys know if LXC 0.8 will be released in precise anytime soon? Or this there a PPA for it? Couldnt find one
[12:23] <hallyn> KristianDK: precise is LTS and released.  We won't be upping versions.  0.8 is not actually released upstream (it's at 0.8.0-rc2)
[12:23] <hallyn> KristianDK: but the version in precise has just about all the patches that are upstream
[12:24] <KristianDK> hallyn, except the one I have troubles with of course :D More specifically this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/lxc/+bug/994752 - will this also be patched on the precise package?
[12:25] <hallyn> KristianDK: yes it will be
[12:26] <KristianDK> hallyn, ah ok - thats all I need. Do you by any chance know if this is in the works, and if I could possibly help in any way if its not?
[12:26] <hallyn> it may already be sitting in unapproved precise-proposed queue, but if not then stgraber will be pushing it soon
[12:26] <hallyn> It's definately in the works.  Once te fix is in precise-proposed, you can absolutely help by testing to push it into -updates as quickly as possible :)
[12:27] <hallyn> If you subscribe yourself to the bug (if you're not already) you'll get an email when the proposed package is ready
[12:28] <KristianDK> Yeah, already subscribed - didn't know it worked like that. I'm still not that good with launchpad, thanks for you help :-)
[12:29] <hallyn> KristianDK: excellent  (if you want all the gory details, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates, but otherwise, thanks for your help)
[12:30] <KristianDK> Ah great, I'll take a look - might avoid future questions from my side
[12:36] <hallyn> jdstrand: I've posted a proposed debdiff on bug 1001625 for detecting pc-0.12  (which would also affect your wmvga bug, but I didn't mark it as such...  in part bc i couldn't quickly find it :)
[12:42] <jdstrand> hallyn: hehe-- I am not the author of debian/libvirt-migrate-qemu-machinetype :)
[12:43] <jdstrand> you could do a 'based on' if you really wanted...
[12:46] <hallyn> jdstrand: I thought I *did* do 'based on'.  all right all right, was hoping to stay anonymous wrt this :)
[12:46] <jdstrand> :)
[12:46] <hallyn> zul: could you take a look at bug 996840 ?  It looks like actually a nova bug in its use of libvirt.
[12:47] <zul> hallyn: yep
[12:47] <jdstrand> I don't blame you. that script was tricky to get right. I was running it in postinst so it was moderately important to not hang :P
[12:47] <hallyn> zul: thanks!
[12:47] <hallyn> jdstrand: yeah it should be less scary this time at least for that reason :)
[12:47]  * jdstrand nods
[12:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: then man page references libvirt\-migrate\-qemu\-disks
[12:49] <hallyn> gah thought i'd gotten all of those
[12:49] <jdstrand> the sentence that references that should also be adjusted
[12:49] <lunaphyte_> hi.  i was asking here the the other day regarding a "warning: failed to read mirror file" message when upgrading from 11.10 to 12.04 using do release upgrade.
[12:50] <hallyn> (collecting these comments, thanks)
[12:50] <jdstrand> hallyn: since you are fiddling with it, there is non-uniform whitespace in migrate_vm()
[12:50] <lunaphyte_> digging a bit further with strace, it appears that the file it's looking for is /tmp/update-manager-AkiIxq/Ubuntu.mirrors:
[12:50] <jdstrand> (oldformat/newformat)
[12:50] <lunaphyte_> open("/tmp/update-manager-AkiIxq/Ubuntu.mirrors", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[12:51] <lunaphyte_> how can i figure out where this file is supposed to come from, and why it's not being created?
[12:51] <ogra_> why would you care its just a warning (and likely the file is created at some point during the process)
[12:52] <lunaphyte_> a warning means something isn't happening the way someone was expecting it to, right?  why wouldn't i care?
[12:52] <lunaphyte_> anyway, the question isn't so much whether or not i should care, but rather how i can figure out what is happening.
[12:58] <jdstrand> hallyn: fyi, README.Debian has 'may in face'
[12:59] <pmatulis_> lunaphyte_: so the upgrade failed then?
[13:00] <lunaphyte_> pmatulis_: no, actually, the upgrade appears to complete successfully [as best as i can see so far on another computer with the same problem]
[13:03] <jdstrand> hallyn: other than those minor things, seems good to me
[13:12] <hallyn> jdstrand: and I'm not over-reacting with the pc-0.12 thing right?  :)
[13:13] <jdstrand> heh-- well, it seems to be causing a problem, so I don't think so. you may want to coordinate with skaet to make sure it is noticable in the 12.04.1 release notes
[13:46] <jsmith-argotec> Samba question - I use a user map script to map ldap cn value to uid.  Script runs fine and has worked fine on older version of samba
[13:47] <glebaron> Can anyone tell me the recommended way to install java on ubuntu server these days. The landscape seems fragmented and I don't know what is best.
[13:48] <jsmith-argotec> however now on 12.04 I'm getting this message in the samba logs and not sure where to start to figure it out...
[13:48] <jsmith-argotec> sh: 1: /etc/samba/ldapmapuser.sh: Permission denied
[13:49] <jsmith-argotec> permissions are : -rwxrwx--- 1 root admin 182 May 23 09:34 /etc/samba/ldapmapuser.sh*
[13:49] <jsmith-argotec> doesn't need execute other does it?
[13:49] <pmatulis_> jsmith-argotec: so... what user is invoking that script?
[13:50] <jsmith-argotec> umm I thought samba would be invoking the script...
[13:50] <rbasak> glebaron: I would assume that the default-jre-headless package will give you a sensible default. I don't understand the java landscape very well either though.
[13:50] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: though I just checked and permissions on that script on the older samba server and it was -rw-r-xr-x
[13:51] <jamespage> rbasak, glebaron: default-jre-headless will give you the supported version of Java for a given release of Ubuntu
[13:52] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: it is listed in the samba config as the user mapping script so I thought the samba process invoked it
[13:52] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_:    username map script = /etc/samba/ldapmapuser.sh
[13:56] <bt> I am wondering if someone could answer some questions on networking issues...
[13:57] <glebaron> jamespage, do you know what the currently supported version is?
[13:58] <pmatulis_> jsmith-argotec: ok... and what user is smbd run as?
[13:58] <jamespage> glebaron, which release of ubuntu?  12.04 is openjdk-6 (Java 6)
[13:58] <glebaron> jamespage, yes, 12.04.
[13:58] <bt> I basically cannot figure out how to configure my physical networking adapters... i have tried using/modifying  /etc/network.interface, but it always fails to bring up the second adapter
[13:59] <pmatulis_> bt: i recommend reading the ubuntu server guide.  help.ubuntu.com
[13:59] <KristianDK> Is there an easy way to apply a proposed fix to a running installation? e.g. bug 994752
[13:59] <jamespage> glebaron, 12.04 also has openjdk-7 in universe - but openjdk-6 is default
[14:00] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: root
[14:00] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: which is why I don't understand the permissions error
[14:01] <pmatulis_> SpamapS: do you really think this is Critical?  bug #872824
[14:01] <bt> i have looked through the networking portion, but it still fails..
[14:02] <pmatulis_> bt: you should by now know that the file is /etc/network/interfaces
[14:02] <bt> yes.. that was the file i was working with
[14:02] <pmatulis_> jsmith-argotec: try to run the script manually
[14:03] <pmatulis_> bt: maybe pastebin it, someone may take a look
[14:06] <a_ok> What do I have to do to use liboauth-php?
[14:07] <bt> http://pastebin.com/LNxrJuq4   ---- the response i get from running /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:08] <bt> is file exists
[14:08] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: works fine manually as root and as a admin group member
[14:12] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: I added all execute to the script permissions and now the error has changed to
[14:12] <bt> the above pastebin is my interfaces file
[14:12] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: /bin/bash: /etc/samba/ldapmapuser.sh: Permission denied
[14:14] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: I added read as well and now it's working... no idea why it needs all read/execute but that's what works so we'll go with it
[14:15] <jsmith-argotec> pmatulis_: thanks for the help!
[14:17] <glebaron> jamespage, rbasak, thanks for the info.
[15:51] <SpamapS> pmatulis_: yes, its critical. The whole box loses control of its network because this software is completely broken.
[15:51] <SpamapS> pmatulis_: the only workaround is to not use this software. That seems like a reason to either fix it, or drop it.
[16:48] <jcastro> adam_g: zul: you guys are in ~charmers, we're going to start to schedule review time for charms like we do the sponsorship queue, if you guys want in I can leave you in the group
[16:48] <jcastro> if you don't, then I can just remove you guys
[16:49] <zul> jcastro: remove me i dont have time :(
[17:04] <hallyn> soren: hey, regarding the libvirt failure with multiple parallel virsh starts (as shown by http://people.canonical.com/~serge/breaklibvirt.sh), it doesn't appear to be any sort of timeout issue
[17:05] <hallyn> Here are the relevant logs fwiw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1003284/
[17:06] <hallyn> Tweaking /etc/libvirt/hooks/qemu to only sleep at the 'begin start' still does it, and for that matter so does removing the sleep so all there is is '#!/bin/bashn exit 0' :)
[17:07] <hallyn> looks like i need to look more closely at virCommandHandshakeWait:2369 : Unable to wait for child process: Bad file descriptor  for the real issue
[17:17] <hallyn> hm, maybe it's as simple as a sleep after virCommandRequireHandshake()
[17:17] <hallyn> nah that makes no sense
[17:21] <adam_g> jcastro: how much time are we talkin?
[17:22] <jcastro> 4h a month
[17:23] <adam_g> jcastro: cool, let me know how/where things get scheduled
[17:34] <ahasenack> hi, anybody from maas around here?
[17:34] <ahasenack> I changed the IP address and updated all config files I could find, also ran cobbler sync
[17:34] <ahasenack> but the json profiles under /var/lib/cobbler/config/profiles.d still have the old ip for iscsi_target and log_host
[17:35] <ahasenack> should I edit them manually or is there another way?
[17:35] <samba35> ahasenack, can i send you pm ?
[17:36] <ahasenack> samba35: techincally, sure
[17:41] <gmcinnes> Hi all.
[17:42] <gmcinnes> I just did a do-release-upgrade -d to get from 10.04 to 12.04.  After rebooting at the end of the process, I just get dumped to a grub prompt, with no menu entries of kernels :(  Any idea how to fix?
[17:43] <gmcinnes> Does anyone know what kernel it likely installed, and I can try and boot from grub2?
[17:45] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: you can play around with the ls command
[17:45] <ahasenack> see what is installed
[17:45] <ahasenack> then try to boot manually whatever you find
[17:45] <ahasenack> basically you need a kernel (hd?,?)/vmlinuz root=/dev/some/device
[17:46] <ahasenack> and another for initrd (hd?,?)/initrd
[17:46] <ahasenack> then "boot"
[17:46] <ahasenack> you need to find out "hd?", use tab completion for that, it's going to be a number
[17:46] <ahasenack> and maybe /vmlinuz won't exist, so poke around in /boot
[17:46] <gmcinnes> that's the thing. I don't know hot to get to /boot
[17:47] <ahasenack> try ls (hd0<tab><tab>,<tab><tab>)
[17:47] <ahasenack> some combinations of that
[17:48] <gmcinnes> ah!
[17:48] <gmcinnes> the light switches on.
[17:48] <gmcinnes> thanks.
[17:49] <jcastro> adam_g: I'm doing the schedule today, what days are good for you?
[17:52] <adam_g> jcastro: mon or fri usually
[18:00] <PedroGomes> Hi, does anyone knows if it is possible to create an empty (or mostly empty) lvm group in a installation based on preseed/partman?
[18:03] <hazmat> smoser, is there a  way to manually run cloud-init post boot?
[18:03] <smoser> there are jobs in /etc/init/cloud-*
[18:03] <smoser> you can run them by hand (sudo start cloud-init-XXXX)
[18:15] <SuperLag> What is the proper way to make sure an init.d script starts on boot?
[18:16] <SuperLag> Netatalk, in this case
[18:17] <RoyK> SuperLag: symlink it to /etc/rc2.d/Sxxnetatalk, where xx being a number
[18:17] <RoyK> the number being the start order
[18:17] <RoyK> or, the other way around, Sxxnetatalk, like, S99netatalk -> ../init.d/netatalk
[18:19] <stgraber> hallyn: current lxc SRU has now been published, I'll start preparing the next one today/tomorrow
[18:20] <gmcinnes> ahasenack: thanks for your help.  I'm still stuck trying to find the root partition.  I know where it *should* be. Its an lvm volume which shows up in ls in grub, but it doesn't want to boot
[18:20] <gmcinnes> ahasenack: is there anything special I have to do to get lvm partitions to work?
[18:22] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: I don't know if grub support /boot in lvm
[18:23] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks.  Did you see the new bug/complaint about --close-all-fds not being the default?
[18:23] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: but lvm in root works, I have it
[18:23] <hallyn> I'm fine with making it the default, fwiw.
[18:23] <henkjan> ahasenack: grub2 can boot from lvm
[18:23] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, haven't seen it yet. Do you see any potential problem with having it be the default?
[18:24] <stgraber> hallyn: I can't think of a case where we specifically want the container to inherit an fd
[18:24] <hallyn> well it might paper over errors in callers...
[18:24] <hallyn> no, if we inherit one we bail out with an error
[18:24] <hallyn> so the only thing we lose is not warning about bad callers
[18:24] <hallyn> probably not worth it
[18:25] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: so if your /boot is in the root partition, and that is an lvm lv, then you need to research how grub handles lvm, i don't know that
[18:25] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: my /boot is a normal /dev/sda1 partition, just the rest is lvm
[18:26] <stgraber> hallyn: could we change it to closing all fds by default but printing a warning if lxc-start inherited any non-standard fd?
[18:26] <hallyn> do you think that's worth it?
[18:27] <stgraber> depends how much effort it's, if it's fairly trivial to get the warning or at last a log entry, it might be worth doing
[18:27] <hallyn> well, maybe at debug level
[18:27] <hallyn> yeah
[18:28] <hallyn> do you fel that should be handled in your next set of SRUs?
[18:28] <stgraber> so someone working on a wrapper around lxc-start can make sure that his code is sane (thinking of what arkose is doing at the moment)
[18:28] <hallyn> well in any case, i'm about to duck out for lunch
[18:28] <hallyn> sounds good.  i'l lhappily whpi up a patch later today or tomorrow if you like.
[18:29] <stgraber> it's technically a change of behavior so we might have to do some convincing to get in as an SRU
[18:30] <gmcinnes> ahasenack: yeah. I thought mine was too. All the vmlinuz and grub stuff is there, but the actual "/boot" is on /  I think. What a pain.  I'll keep hacking.
[18:30] <stgraber> and we need to make sure not to drop the current parameter as otherwise we'd cause regression
[18:30] <hallyn> yup
[18:30] <hallyn> ok i'll triage the bug later (if you haven't by then)
[18:30] <hallyn> bbl
[18:31] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: check this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#LVM
[18:32] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: you can issue those commands at the grub prompt too
[18:32] <ahasenack> the insmod I mean
[18:32] <ahasenack> maybe after doing that ls will show the /boot files and you can reference them
[18:33] <ahasenack> set root=stuff is so you don't need to use (hdN,M) all the time as a path prefix
[18:33] <ahasenack> or the vg and lv names in this case
[18:33] <gmcinnes> ahasenack: ah! got it.
[18:34] <gmcinnes> I was already at that page :)
[18:34] <ahasenack> nice, hope it works
[18:34] <gmcinnes> well, I got it booted :)  Now to see wtf went wrong on the upgrade.
[18:35] <ahasenack> gmcinnes: double nice
[19:27] <gmcinnes> anyone know if there is a command to check grub.cfg syntax?
[19:27] <gmcinnes> of course there is. awesome :)
[19:56] <mgw> anybody here with experience building openssh dpkg?
[19:56] <mgw> I made an update to configure.ac, ran autoreconf, and now I'm failing to compile
[19:57] <mgw> About 20 minutes into dpkg-buildpackage
[19:58] <mgw> https://gist.github.com/70f1ab4e2f71baa39681
[20:46] <axisys> how do I send mail from command line with a reply-to header?
[20:46] <axisys> mail -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does not work.. does not recognize -r
[20:46] <axisys> in solaris that is what we have been using
[20:55] <axisys> got it! mail -a "From: foo.com" worked
[21:06] <tash> I feel like an idiot. I don't know if this is better to be asked here or #vbox.  I have an Ubuntu Server running VirtualBox.  2 interfaces ( eth0, eth1 ).  I have 2 virtual machines running on the host.  Each one is respectively bridged to eth0/eth1.  So, vm1 is bridged to eth0 and vm2 is bridged to eth1 on the host.  If I unplug 1 of the network cables, say eth1 (<IP_ADDRESS>) I can still ping it, but I cannot ping the vm that is bridged to that interfac
[21:07] <tash> fwiw, I can also ping eth0, so I know I am not confused in that regard ( as in, I'm pinging the right thing )
[21:21] <KillMeNow> anyone here ever use the vmware converter to P2V a Ubuntu server?
[21:41] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, if you don't have the package ready tomorrow, can i give you a patch for bug 1003583 tomorrow?
[21:41] <hallyn> (not sure yet which patch I'll write :)
[21:43] <stgraber> hallyn: yep
[21:44] <hallyn> thx
[21:54] <KristianDK> stgraber, any chance bug 994752 will be going to precise-proposed sometime soon? And this there anything I can do to help?
[21:58] <stgraber> KristianDK: yes
[21:58] <stgraber> KristianDK: it's planned to go in the next sru
[22:06] <KristianDK> stgraber, I'm not sure I fully understand the SRU concept in regards to timing - when would the next SRU be?
[22:08]  * LordOfTime pokes hallyn
[22:09] <SpamapS> KristianDK: its not timed
[22:09] <SpamapS> KristianDK: but its a rather lengthy process .. so sometimes its best to group them rather than do them in serial, thats what stgraber means.
[22:10] <hallyn> LordOfTime: yup, I'm new to bugs.  since I never cause any myself
[22:10] <stgraber> KristianDK: if all goes well, it should be land in -updates within the next 2 weeks
[22:10] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  :P
[22:10] <KristianDK> SpamapS, ah thanks, now I understand :-)
[22:10] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  you targetted it correctly, i'd leave that bug as it was (the Lubuntu one) until it gets confirmed
[22:10] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  someone'll get to it eventually, i'll poke my friends on the lubuntu team, get them to see it though
[22:11]  * LordOfTime works on Ubuntu bugs and nginx bugs, so... :p
[22:11] <hallyn> LordOfTime: thanks.  launchpad scard me, making it look like that project didn't get looked at by anyone
[22:11] <hallyn> I hated to be responsible for that bug falling off a cliff
[22:11] <KristianDK> stgraber, ok - I'm really blocked by this bug right now - is there a recommended way to apply the patch in a way where it will not conflict with the update once it arrives?
[22:12] <stgraber> considering I don't know how I'm going to fix it in the SRU yet, no
[22:12] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  they get looked at every so often, you might want to sit and lurk in -bugs forever :P
[22:12]  * LordOfTime is on bugsquad, if yo uhave a question about a bug ask it there, i'll probably see it
[22:12] <hallyn> LordOfTime: good point, I'll ask there next time.  thanks.
[22:13] <hallyn> KristianDK: if you're blocked on that bug, can you simply use a package from ppa for now?
[22:13] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  you can ask in #lubuntu or #ubuntu-bugs, but bugsqad'll look at stuff mentioned in -bugs :)
[22:13] <KristianDK> hallyn, sure - couldnt find a PPA with the fix in it though
[22:13] <stgraber> KristianDK: quantal currently has the fix
[22:13] <LordOfTime> which package guys
[22:13] <LordOfTime> and what program
[22:14] <hallyn> KristianDK: there isn't one yet :)  but I can see if the quantal package will compile for precise in my virt ppa, one sec
[22:14] <hallyn> LordOfTime: an lxc bug, bug# should be a page or two up
[22:14] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  packet loss between irc and my end, mind reposting?
[22:14] <hallyn> bug 994752
[22:15] <KristianDK> hallyn, that would be cool! I'm very new to debian packaging, so I'm a bit lost on how things are done "the right way"
[22:16] <hallyn> KristianDK: this almost certainly isn't the "right" way :)  but it should keep you going
[22:16] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  the correct way is to read the SRU guidelines, and request an SRU with that patch
[22:16] <hallyn> KristianDK: I say it's not the right way bc I'm going to use the quantal version #, so you'll need to manually install the precise version when that is fixed
[22:17] <hallyn> LordOfTime: yup, that's being done
[22:18] <LordOfTime> hallyn:  looks like the SRU request isnt even there
[22:18]  * LordOfTime looked, there's tons of missing data
[22:18] <hallyn> stgraber is on it
[22:18] <LordOfTime> good, one less thing for me to poke people on :P
[22:19]  * LordOfTime has enough to deal with
[22:19] <KristianDK> LordOfTime, if its anything I can do, I'd love to do so - I would just need some directions
[22:19] <LordOfTime> STOP RINGING, YA STUPID PHONE
[22:20] <LordOfTime> be right back, this thing's been ringing off the hook all day
[22:20] <hallyn> KristianDK: assuming there is no build failure that I didn't anticipate, it should show up at https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/lxc-backport
[22:21] <KristianDK> hallyn, awesome! Thanks a lot! I guess it wont update when the SRU comes then, but I could actually just reinstall the VM we use for testing at that point, so that probably does not matter
[22:24] <hallyn> KristianDK: ideally when the call goes out for testing the SRU package, you'll apt-get remove lxc, rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/serge*, set up -proposed, apt-get update and apt-get install lxc to test :)
[22:24] <hallyn> (you can ping me when the time comes to go back over that if you like)
[22:24] <hallyn> ttyl
[22:24] <KristianDK> Sure, thanks :)
[22:35] <KristianDK> hallyn, adding the PPA and doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should do it right?
[22:36] <KristianDK> or does this need to complete first? https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/lxc-backport/+builds?build_state=pending
[22:36] <hallyn> KristianDK: yes, but only once it has built
[22:36] <hallyn> right
[22:36] <KristianDK> ah, from experience - does it actually take 14 hours?
[22:36] <KristianDK> then i might as well go to sleep :D
[22:41] <hallyn> KristianDK: it depends on how many other packages are queued up
[22:42] <hallyn> ppas are lower priority
[22:44] <KristianDK> ah ok, ill keep an eye on it
[23:00] <stgraber> hallyn: bumped, will start building real soon
[23:02] <KristianDK> awesome :D


[06:45] <Titan3025> Hi all. I own an Ubuntu Phone and added my google account. The calendar app only shows my main calendar but not the calendars shared with me or my sub calendars. Is it possible to show those as well?
[10:28] <kazord> hi appdevs
[10:29] <kazord> 2 QML questions : which theme color path for left part on qml slider (inside ubuntu sdk)
[10:30] <kazord> and is there any signal send when my app is send to background ?
[11:01] <kazord> 2nd found by myself (Qt.application.state)
[13:34] <PLA1> Hi. Both of my webapps 500px and Play On Kodi crash on start after OTA 12. Having trouble with QT Creator crashing when trying to debug my apps. Can someone point me to the latest method of debugging Ubuntu touch webapps, preferably outside of QT Creator? The source for 500px is here: https://github.com/pla1/500px  TIA, PLA appdevs
[14:06] <PLA1> Found this with Logviewer on the device.
[14:06] <PLA1> Unable to exec 'ubuntu-app-launch --www=www $@' in '/opt/click.ubuntu.com/.click/users/phablet/500px.pla': Permission denied
[14:06] <PLA1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23051844/
[15:37] <PLA1> ubuntu-sdk crashes with this message when trying to run app on device. /usr/bin/ubuntu-sdk: line 6: 23367 Segmentation fault      $BINDIR/qtcreator -platformtheme appmenu-qt5 ${1+"$@"}
[15:38] <mimecar> does it work on desktop?
[15:44] <PLA1> No.
[15:44] <PLA1> From the 500px directory I issued: ubuntu-app-launch --www=www $@
[15:44] <PLA1> And I get this:
[15:44] <PLA1> ** (process:24483): WARNING **: Unable to find job 'application-legacy': GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.ubuntu.Upstart was not provided by any .service files
[15:45] <mimecar> Is that app a WebApp, isn't it?
[15:46] <PLA1> Yes. This works OK.  webapp-container www/index.html
[15:47] <PLA1> Should I be using webapp-container instead of ubuntu-app-launch?
[15:47] <mimecar> I've worked with default configuration on webapp development
[15:50] <PLA1> The "default" being ubuntu-app-launch?
[15:51] <PLA1> These apps were working prior to OTA 12.
[15:52] <PLA1> I figured I was behind on something. Just don't know what it is.
[15:52] <mimecar> have you upload the source code ?
[15:53] <PLA1> Yes. Source is here: https://github.com/pla1/500px
[15:53] <mimecar> I can check if code works on my device
[15:53] <mimecar> on 1 hour more or less
[15:53] <PLA1> Great. Thanks!
[15:55]  * PLA1 Grabbing a belly wedge. Back in an hour or so.
[16:18] <mimecar> PLA1, The webapp that I have use webapp-container
[16:19] <mimecar> I have default security policy groups: networking, audio, content_exchange, video and webview
[16:21] <mimecar> It seems that the differences are in security policy groups and file permissions
[16:51] <PLA1> OK. I'll try to get the app to work with webapp-container instead of ubuntu-app-launch.
[16:53] <mimecar> it doesn't work with desktop
[16:53] <mimecar> is the same configuration I use for testing my apps
[17:05] <PLA1> mimecar: What are you using for your framework in the manifest.json file? I have "framework": "ubuntu-sdk-15.04.6"
[17:05] <mimecar> the same version
[17:27] <PLA1> This is kinda interesting. Took "Type=Application" and "X-Ubuntu-Touch=true" out of the 500px.desktop file. Installed on the device. Try to run the app and it knocks me back to the log-in screen.
[17:28] <PLA1> Nothing to do with my problem, just kinda interesting that an app can do that.
[17:33] <PLA1> I get this when I run Build and validate click package in Qt Creator: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23052305/  Wonder what that is trying to tell me?
[17:35] <mimecar> Have you checked if you have an application error on taskbar?
[17:46] <PLA1> Taskbar in Qt Creator? Where is that?
[17:47] <mimecar> taskbar on your desktop (unity, kde...)
[17:50] <PLA1> I am using MATE 16.04. When I start ubuntu-sdk from the command line I see a bunch of Qt messages but that is normal.
[17:51] <PLA1> I am building a new VM now to install the ubuntu-sdk. Maybe my dev environment is hosed.
[17:52] <PLA1> My MATE system is physical not virtual. Just building VM for testing.
[17:54] <mimecar> are you testing the same code you have on GitHub?
[17:55] <mimecar> PLA1, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/92458135/irc/Ubuntu%20Touch/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202016-08-13%2019-55-03.png
[17:55] <PLA1> As of a couple of hours ago. I've been making changes locally without pushing those up to github.
[17:56] <PLA1> That screenshot from your build of my app?
[17:56] <mimecar> yes
[17:57] <PLA1> So, something is wrong with my policy group?
[17:57] <mimecar> I've had similar problems these days
[17:59] <PLA1> I've tried adding a bunch of policy groups. Made no difference. {
[17:59] <PLA1>     "policy_groups": [
[17:59] <PLA1>         "webview",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "networking",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "audio",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "content_exchange",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "video",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "connectivity",
[17:59] <PLA1>         "debug"
[17:59] <PLA1>     ],
[17:59] <PLA1>     "policy_version": 1.2
[17:59] <PLA1> }
[18:00] <mimecar> I think the problem is on PC side
[18:02] <PLA1> OK. Sounds plausible. I'm building a VM now. MATE 16.04. Perhaps I should have tried standard Ubuntu. Oh well. I'll see.
[18:06] <mimecar> I can install your click package
[18:06] <mimecar> but the app closes after several seconds
[18:07] <mimecar> qt-creator is crashing all the time :p
[18:08] <mimecar> PLA1, Do you need me to do some extra test with my computer?
[18:21] <PLA1> mimecar: No need for you to do any more testing. I appreciate the help. Installing ubuntu-sdk on my VM now. Thanks!
[18:22] <mimecar> Okay. For some reason my development environment is crashing all the time
[18:22] <mimecar> I think he does not like the code: P
[18:27] <PLA1> I hear ya. I wish I knew how to create these apps from the command line so I wouldn't have to use Qt Creator. ;-)
[20:35] <PLA1> I give up for now. I have removed my apps from the Ubuntu Store. I don't think anyone will miss them. ;-)
[20:36] <mimecar> do the previous click versions fail?
[23:37] <PLA1> Yeah. I pushed an older click version to the device and it behaved the same way. The splash icon appears and disappears. :-(


 @DarinMiller, The 435 driver,  did it with 430 as well.
[06:06] <chris__> hi
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Merry Christmas!
 I am recently using kubuntu with kde.. I used Ubuntu with GNOME or xfce before. Why I am seeing 560mb of Ram used on the task manager? That's a lot of improvement
 I remember that I used kubuntu and kde on another pc and it used about 900mb of ram.. Thar's strange
 19.10
 I am comparing this values while I have just the task manager open
 There are no other programs  open
[22:08] <valorie>  @Franzpow lots of work has been done on going easy on ram and battery
[22:08] <valorie> as well was more efficient start up
 That's cool. But is that possible that all these improvements were made between 19.04 and 19.10?
 Btw I am using Kde 5.16.5 not the latest
 I was surprised because I thought xfce demanded less ram than kde
[22:14] <valorie> that used to be true
[23:37] <fer_Kubuntu> hi, I have just started an old laptop with kubuntu 17.10, how can I upgrade to the lastest realease?
[23:38] <fer_Kubuntu> source.list is outdated
[23:38] <fer_Kubuntu> I cant apt-get update
[23:38] <fer_Kubuntu> apt-get upgrade
[23:38] <fer_Kubuntu> both failed
[23:47] <fer_Kubuntu> anybody alive?
[23:48] <OerHeks>  sudo apt install update-manager-core && sudo do-release-upgrade


[01:25] <The_Letter_M> Hello All
[01:34] <seidos> hello
[01:35] <seidos> i saw transformers 2 for the first time yesterday
[01:35] <seidos> it was better than i expected
[01:37] <The_Letter_M> Even with the humping dogs?
[01:38] <The_Letter_M> So I connected my Gamepad to my system and it's working. But, it also moves the mouse. I'm told I have to remove a line from my Xconf to fix that. Does anyone know what file I edit or what line I have to change?
[02:10] <The_Letter_M> Anyone?
[02:10] <sn9> ?
[02:10] <The_Letter_M> Just regarding my question
[02:11] <sn9> which was?
[02:11] <The_Letter_M> So I connected my Gamepad to my system and it's working. But, it also moves the mouse. I'm told I have to remove a line from my Xconf to fix that. Does anyone know what file I edit or what line I have to change?
[02:12] <sn9> xorg.conf is no longer used
[02:12] <The_Letter_M> Well
[02:12] <The_Letter_M> I mean one of the config files for xorg
[02:14] <sn9> that's pretty much the only one
[02:14] <The_Letter_M> hmm
[15:54] <perchslayer> test
[15:54] <perchslayer> cool!
[15:54] <perchslayer> i'm in!
[15:54] <perchslayer> wow
[15:55] <perchslayer> so i see names on the right...anybody out there
[15:55] <perchslayer> ?
[15:55] <EminemGir1> yes
[15:55] <EminemGir1> ?
[15:55] <perchslayer> cool
[15:55] <perchslayer> n00b on deck
[15:55] <EminemGir1> hello
[15:56] <EminemGir1> ^-^
[15:56] <perchslayer> brand new to irc...howdy
[15:57] <perchslayer> i am doing the empathy > chat accounts > channel on browser thing
[15:57] <perchslayer> seems kind of conveuted
[15:58] <perchslayer> convoluted
[15:58] <perchslayer> is there a bettr way ?
[15:59] <perchslayer> hello ?
[16:01] <sn9> yes
[16:01] <sn9> there is
[16:01] <sn9> install xchat
[16:01] <sn9> empathy sucks balls


[04:27] <jeffmr> OvenWerks, I think I found out why I couldn't check the mbox visibility with aplayer.  Because its aplay.
[07:25] <plex_dave> I am experiencing the strangest problem. I have an external enclosure with a big drive in it. Vanilla Ubuntu 18.04 no problems, plug the drive in and 5 seconds later it's mounted and ready to go. Studio 16.04 on another machine sometimes it mounts, sometimes it doesn't
[07:26] <plex_dave> Both machines are fairly new. Other devices all work just fine on both machines.
[07:26] <cfhowlett> that is a weird one!
[07:27] <plex_dave> When I ls /dev/ | grep sd with the drive unplugged, I have no sdb. Plug it in, there's an sdb. But when I go into the disk utility, the drive does not show up.
[07:27] <plex_dave> Tried all the ports on this laptop, tried the usb3 ports on the dock...
[07:27] <plex_dave> Same behavior.
[07:29] <plex_dave> Ran KDE Neon from a thumb drive and the external just mounts. Thought maybe I had done something to the user account, so I created a new user account and the drive either mounts or it doesn't on the new user account
[07:30] <plex_dave> Other than this though, Studio 16.04 has been a really sold base to install the KXStudio tools on top of. It never crashes.
[07:31] <cfhowlett> plex_dave, might be worth asking the #xubuntu channel
[07:32] <plex_dave> Oh I just came from there. lol
[07:32] <plex_dave> Nice folks :)
[18:27] <Sbur3> Any way to install Ubuntu Studio via a Network Install?
[18:29] <krytarik> I wouldn't think it's any different from the other flavors, yes.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Sbur3: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Contains all of the flavors.
[18:33] <Sbur3> krytarik: Ok, then there is a twist on the original question ... I am trying to help a friend who knows less than nothing about computers.  The Ubuntu Studio that I installed on his laptop doesn't show the pulseaudio volume control.  Many thingshe should be able to see, he can't. And I want to help him from my house to reinstall Ubuntu Studio on his laptop via TeamViweer
[18:34] <Sbur3> Eickmeyer: Another question : can I do a network install of Ubuntu Studio 18.on HIS laptop from my desktop
[18:34] <Sbur3> 18.04*
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> You'd have to do some sort of network deployment which would require an advanced setup at both ends. Since Teamviewer requires a working desktop environment to run, you wouldn't be able to do this remotely.
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> The netinstall doesn't have a DE.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> For that advanced level of help, I'd try #ubuntu. Remember, Ubuntu Studio _is_ Ubuntu, just customized.
[18:38] <Sbur3> Eickmeyer: Thx for the info and help.
[18:38] <Sbur3> Bye everyone