[00:00] <Flannel> confused: It's a staging area, sometimes containing packages that have unsatisfiable dependencies, or other problems.
[00:00] <dj_ryan> yeah i dont want to use urandom, i used zero
[00:00] <xorgd> dj_ryan: do you plan to use encryption ?
[00:00] <dj_ryan> no
[00:00] <xorgd> your fine with zero
[00:01] <confused> Flannel  having problems with the upgrade/dist-upgrade  an I suppose to sudo first
[00:01] <Flannel> confused: no, just do one or the other: `sudo apt-get upgrade` will be fine.
[00:01] <dj_ryan> so here's a question what does d-i netcfg/get_hostname take as an option?
[00:01] <confused> Flannel  how to clear that staging area
[00:02] <Flannel> confused: staging area? oh, disable -proposed in whatever GUI you use to select software sources
[00:02] <confused> Flannel did the upgrade thing already and posted the pastebin
[00:02] <Flannel> confused: Does it have the same output as before?
[00:02] <confused> Flannel should I do it again
[00:03] <Flannel> confused: yeah, you've changed the data it's running off of.
[00:03] <confused> harry@harry-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:03] <confused> Reading package lists... Done
[00:03] <confused> Building dependency tree
[00:03] <confused> Reading state information... Done
[00:03] <confused> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:03] <FloodBot1> confused: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:04] <Flannel> confused: Looks like you're up to date then.
[00:04] <Flannel> chan-1611: Can you please stop hopping in and out?
[00:04] <szal> unless deselecting -proposed in a GUI would still require apt-get update, that is
[00:04] <confused> then why is the 85kb file still there in the update manager.. This is the problem
[00:05] <nibbler_> confused, i have not seen the 85kb file in any or your pastes, can you point it out to me please?
[00:05] <Flannel> confused: Can you post like... a screenshot of that?
[00:05] <rox> confused: all this time you haven't been able to tell us what 85k file
[00:06] <rox> confused: i am sure you are misinterpreting something
[00:06]  * nibbler_ agrees
[00:06] <confused> I DONT KNOW what the file is...  Update manager does NOT give a discription or anything about it.. it worries me.
[00:06] <nibbler_> confused, make screenshot or paste of whatever indication to whatever 85k file you have, or it might look like you are trolling ;-)
[00:07] <rox> confused: update manager lists all packages it upgrades
[00:07] <szal> confused: so how do you know it's 85 kB in size?
[00:08] <confused> It states ...   again...  1 update has been selected.  85kb will be downloaded   THis is all there is on the update manager  I dont know what it is or how to fix it..
[00:08] <dr_willis> was you asking abut this about 2 weeks ago confused ?
[00:08] <Erin> pictures or it didn't happen :-)
[00:08] <confused> YES
[00:08] <confused> still not fixed
[00:08] <dr_willis> and is there any actual problem? stuff wont install?
[00:09] <tooe> ok
[00:09] <confused> I have a screenshot but how to get a screenshot on pastebin.. I copy paste and get the path to the screenshot on the pastebin
[00:09] <rox> ok, click on all those "details" and "description" buttons and arrows and for god's sake tell us what package you are talking about
[00:09] <nibbler_> !paste > confused
[00:09] <dr_willis> confused:  you paste it to a screenshot site.. not pastebin
[00:09] <confused> dr_willis   correct, it wont install..
[00:09] <dr_willis>  confused  you dont paste the url like  file:/mydir/file.png
[00:10] <confused> ok,, Hold on
[00:10] <dr_willis> or you can capture the apt-get session via the 'typescript' command  to a text file.
[00:10]  * nibbler_ wonders what magic picture might show up
[00:10] <Flannel> dr_willis: we've already got apt-get stuff, nothing is in them.
[00:11] <confused> Finally got it.. Paste    http://imagebin.org/226690
[00:11] <dr_willis> confused:  so as a examaple  you cant install anything and get some error when you try somthing like -->   sudo apt-get install pioneers
[00:11] <yoof> fine
[00:12] <confused> dr_willis  http://imagebin.org/226690    and I try to install it,,, the blue line goes running across and checks again only to see the same thing on the screen,, nothing changes and NO new updates
[00:13] <dr_willis> confused:  try installing somthing from the terminal.. look for error messages..  so far it just seems update-manager is confiused.. not the actual package system
[00:13] <confused> dr_willis    the discription is also totally blank
[00:13] <nibbler_> confused, maybe apt-get -f install
[00:13] <dr_willis> confused:  i dont care about what the GUI tool says..
[00:14] <dr_willis> im asking about the text based tools that will give more error info.
[00:14] <Ironsight> Anyone get minecraft working? I get a black screen :(
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> Ironsight: which java are you using?
[00:14] <Ironsight> oracle java 7
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> Ironsight: do you have 3D accelleration setup?
[00:14] <Ironsight> yes
[00:14] <confused> dr_willis   kinda new to the terminal     I dont know how to use it like that
[00:14] <dr_willis> confused:  so as a examaple  you cant install anything and get some error when you try somthing like -->   sudo apt-get install pioneers
[00:14] <KobeSyst1m> so i can only access my server thru a browser by typeing the local ipaddress
[00:14] <dr_willis> confused:  so try that command...
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> Ironsight: tried running it windowed (assuming that is an option)
[00:15] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pioneers
[00:15] <ubuntu> -__________-
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> Ironsight: tried in Unity2D session?
[00:15] <ubuntu> I keep having endless pc problems.
[00:15] <ubuntu> Just installed GNOME for 12.04 and it wiped my drive.
[00:15] <Ironsight> ActionParsnip, never tried unity
[00:15] <Guest75472> Just installed GNOME for 12.04 and it wiped my drive.... fantastic.
[00:15] <Guest75472> On a Live CD now.l
[00:15]  * dr_willis doubts it...
[00:15] <confused> dr_willis  it is in process
[00:15] <Ironsight> what I tried was right click the jar file and run with oracle java 7...
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> Guest75472: Default Ubuntu comes with Gnome by default
[00:16] <Ironsight> it gets to the login screen, updates, and goes black
[00:16] <dr_willis> Ironsight:  the minecraft docs tell the proper command line syntax to run minecraft
[00:16] <ActionParsnip> Ironsight: try in Unity2D session
[00:16] <confused> dr_willis
[00:16] <confused> Processing triggers for menu ...
[00:16] <confused>  was the last command
[00:16] <PissedOff> Any idea how to restore my HD? I installed GNOME on 12.04 and it wiped my drive.
[00:16] <dr_willis> confused:  so.. the apt-get system does in fact work.
[00:16] <PissedOff> After rebooting grub errors.
[00:17] <confused> dr_willis appears to with terminal
[00:17] <KobeSyst1m> ActionParsnip: i can only reach my server from my own computer (wireless connection) by typing local address\
[00:17] <dr_willis> confused:  you should have a game called 'pioneers'  try running 'pioneers' from the terminal to see.
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: I'd use your backups
[00:17] <PissedOff> Backups....
[00:17] <confused> dr_willis how to fix the update manager
[00:17] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip, Explain.
[00:17] <ActionParsnip> KobeSyst1m: if you add an entry in /etc/hosts you can use the name
[00:18] <dr_willis> confused:  no idea.. i rarely mess with the gui update manager. i run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' about once a week.
[00:18] <KobeSyst1m> ActionParsnip: i can access my server from iphone
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: data important to you wil have been copied to a removable storage by you, or to another system for safe keeping....a backup
[00:18] <confused> dr_willis it appears to be working...
[00:18] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: so if anything bad happens, you can restore the data
[00:18] <KobeSyst1m> ActionParsnip: for example i gave u the url earlier and u were able to see my server
[00:18] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip, It was a fresh install. After installing GNOME it got wiped.
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: can you expand on 'wiped' please
[00:19] <KobeSyst1m> ActionParsnip: i dont understand when im try to access it locally it doesnt let me access it
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: a default 12.04 Ubuntu install comes with Gnome desktop by default
[00:19] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip, Isn't unity different?
[00:19] <nibbler_> PissedOff, did you run it from live cd?
[00:19] <PissedOff> nibbler_ no.
[00:19] <confused> wooops  clicked the wrong  x  by mistake
[00:19] <dr_willis> Unity runs on top of gnome.
[00:19] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: yes, Unity isa shell for the gnome desktop
[00:20] <Gary_inNYC> hello, what's the terminal command to start the battery indicator applet, since I'm using openbox?
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: it replaces Gnome-panel as the default shell
[00:20] <PissedOff> nibbler_ I'm on live CD now. When I look at the partition manager it shows a NTFS file for 104 MB and the rest as free space.
[00:20] <confused> dr_willis   so do I have a bug in the manager.
[00:20] <ActionParsnip> Gary_inNYC: what panel are you useing?
[00:20] <dr_willis> confused:  or a messed up ppa, or other config file.
[00:20] <Gary_inNYC> ActionParsnip: I'm using tint2
[00:21] <dr_willis> confused:  if 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get upgrade' works.. then the system is updated.
[00:21] <SGT_Saunders> hi there folks. I'm having a problem with an install.  Mainly getting a resolutiion out of range on my monitor on boot.
[00:21] <nibbler_> PissedOff, then just install it again?
[00:21] <confused> dr_willis   Yea. I get that but I dont like the fact that there could be a virus floating around messing with things
[00:21] <dr_willis> SGT_Saunders:  grub menu by default uses some of the differnt modes.
[00:21] <dr_willis> SGT_Saunders:  you could set it to use a text mode.
[00:21] <MonkeyDust> confused  a virus?
[00:21] <PissedOff> nibbler_ I configured loads of apps and such. Guess they're all gone..
[00:21] <PissedOff> No way to reverse it?
[00:21] <ActionParsnip> Gary_inNYC: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/3232/my-tint2-config   has a tint2 config including battery
[00:22] <dr_willis> confused:  you are being paranoid..  its i doubt if its a 'virus'
[00:22] <lidar> MonkeyDust: makes the confusedname even more relevant
[00:22] <SGT_Saunders> willis: I've tried but I can't even access grub to get to  text.
[00:22] <nibbler_> PissedOff, do you have an SSD harddrive?
[00:22] <dr_willis> SGT_Saunders:  does the system actually boot to a desktop/login screen?
[00:22] <SGT_Saunders> willis: no
[00:22] <PissedOff> nibbler_ no
[00:22] <dr_willis> SGT_Saunders:  ive had a few box's where i cant see grub. but they do boot after the normal delay.
[00:22] <ActionParsnip> Gary_inNYC: https://code.google.com/p/tint2/wiki/Configure#Battery
[00:23] <dj_ryan> installer and preseed: how do i get the hostname to come from dhcp?
[00:23] <dr_willis> SGT_Saunders:  sounds like you got deeper issues then. so what does the sytem do exactly when you power it up?
[00:23] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: so...how do you mean 'wiped'  you never said
[00:23] <confused> dr_willis   Well, it is being adversely affected in a way that it shouldn't.. I realize you and a select few here have a VAST knowledge as I have see some of you helping so many for so long, but if we cant explain something tht doesnt mean there isn't cause to be paranoid.. I thank you for your help though.
[00:23] <nibbler_> PissedOff, ok... well... guess itsnot easy to restore anything, yet possible. but as its not yet clarified what went wrong (installing gnome certainly did not cause this) it could only be guessing
[00:24] <dr_willis> confused:  your screenshots also seem to show you are using 'Zorin' which has its own support channels.
[00:24] <SGT_Saunders> willis: i'm converting and 3yr old Emachine with AMD64 single core with 2gb ram and appearantly a Nvidia GFX on MOBO.  I get splash then the post and then the out of range.
[00:24] <PissedOff> http://www.techdrivein.com/2012/06/25-things-i-did-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[00:24] <PissedOff> I did everything in that list, the reinstalled
[00:24] <dr_willis> confused:  so it may be some weird quirk with their repos that we cant recreate
[00:24] <PissedOff> Grub errors, I pop in a live cd and see a LOT of free space.
[00:25] <nibbler_> confused, what happens if you click "install updated"?
[00:25] <confused> dr_willis I wish I knew where to go for zorin help.. It is Ubuntu platform though isnt it?
[00:25] <ActionParsnip> confused: #zorinOS
[00:25] <dr_willis> confused:  start with the zorin homepage.. and see if they have an irc channel. techinally this channel does NOT do zorin support. so you would normally be on your own.
[00:26] <dr_willis> I just recognized the Screenshot from todays Disrtowatch web page. :)
[00:26] <confused> nibbler   It looks like it is trying to install or check something then the updater shows the same thing//
[00:26] <lauratika> hi i got a new all in one lenovo with damn! windows 7 for some reason i need to leave the windows as it it... how can i create a new table partition with 16 gb for OS and 200 gb for files plus the windows partition_
[00:26] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: not seeing anything overly exciting there
[00:27] <confused> Well I thank all for a great effort in this Nagging issue.. It has been going on for weeks and I will try to find Zorin Help.. Thanks again all.
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: what do you see when you log in?
[00:27] <dr_willis> I really dont see much point in ZorinOS.. but i guess use what you want.
[00:27] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip: I can't login. Grub errored
[00:27] <SGT_Saunders> brb
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: then boot to liveCD and reinstate grub2
[00:27] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip: I use a 12.04 Live CD and see that my partitions have been wiped.
[00:27] <PissedOff> So I don't think it would help.
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: nothing is wiped at all, just the grub is faulty
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: as in no partitions?
[00:28] <confused> dr_willis   good point I may be formatting soon..
[00:28] <PissedOff> As in 104 MB partition and the rest free space.
[00:28] <PissedOff> Yes.
[00:28] <dr_willis> confused:  if you want an old-skool type look/desktop use Lubuntu
[00:28] <SGT_Saunders> back
[00:28] <nibbler_> PissedOff, can you nopaste 'sudo fdisk -l' please?
[00:28] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: is it an SSD?
[00:28] <KobeSyst1m> does anyone know why i cant access my server locally by using a domain name
[00:28] <confused> dr_willis   Ill look into it thx for the tip
[00:29] <PissedOff> nibbler_ sure
[00:29] <PissedOff> action, nope
[00:29] <lauratika> anyone ubuntu_
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> KobeSyst1m: what happens if you use nslookup servername
[00:29] <lauratika> please
[00:29] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  by ip works?
[00:29] <KobeSyst1m> everyon can access it
[00:29] <PissedOff> /dev/sda1   *        2048      206847      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT --- That's all that shows
[00:29] <KobeSyst1m> but me locally
[00:29] <KobeSyst1m> unless i type the local address
[00:29] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  can YOU access it by ip# ?
[00:29] <KobeSyst1m> like 192.x.x.x
[00:29] <ActionParsnip> PissedOff: you could use testdisk to make the same partitions and fsck them (assuming you know the sizes)
[00:29] <KornKage> where do i set environment variable "export RTLSDR_DRIVER=1" ?
[00:29] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  can YOU access it by the other Internet ip#?
[00:30] <PissedOff> ActionParsnip, I know how large they were, but not exactly for one of them
[00:30] <dr_willis> KornKage:  for a single user? or all users?
[00:30] <dr_willis> KornKage:  what is that supposed to do exactly anyway?
[00:30] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: no
[00:30] <KobeSyst1m> not locally
[00:31] <nibbler_> KobeSyst1m, are you sure you have a FQDN that is properly configured, or is it just a hostname you setup?
[00:31] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  sounds like the server is not set to listen to all the ports/ip ranges in its settings..
[00:31] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: type philanoues.com
[00:31] <PissedOff> nibbler_ /dev/sda1   *        2048      206847      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT is all that shows after sudo fdisk -l
[00:31] <nibbler_> PissedOff, then your fdisk is broken, as it should create way more output (nopaste)
[00:32] <PissedOff> fdisk = ?
[00:32] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: can u access it from you end
[00:32] <Troy^> My ubuntu server DNS is not working yet again!
[00:33] <nibbler_> Troy^, your dns server is running on ubuntu, or your ubuntu server utilizes some other dns server? if 2nd: the dns server is broken or the usage of it from within your ubuntu server is broken?
[00:34] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  i could earlier today.... have you done anything to it in the last few hours?
[00:34] <Troy^> dns is my router... worked earlier and all the other comps on my network work fine. except the ubuntu box is static
[00:34] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: nibbler_ i just tried it with my iphone and it works
[00:34] <nibbler_> Troy^, dig cnn.com @IP-OF-YOUR-ROUTER
[00:34] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m: ... so... the problem was what exactly?
[00:35] <ActionParsnip> Troy^: add an entry in /etc/hosts if it's static, makes resolution instantaneous
[00:35] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: my mac that is connected wireless
[00:35] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: cant access it by its cannonnical name
[00:35] <Troy^> what is the parameter? nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:35] <nibbler_> Troy^, and if you want to use your router from your ubuntu as a dns server, make sure you have "nameserver IP-OF-YOUR-ROUTER" in /etc/resolv.conf
[00:35] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  you mean on your Local Lan? If one pc on the lan cant access it.. sounds liek theres firewall settings, or a dns, or hostname resolving issue.. if the ip works.. why not use the ip.
[00:35] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: so when i type <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:36] <Troy^> nibbler_: it is there
[00:36] <leaper> Hi
[00:36] <leaper> I install Ubuntu on my windows with Wubi
[00:36] <nibbler_> Troy^, the dig works?
[00:36] <leaper> Now I'm getting the LTS
[00:36] <leaper> I had someone reccommend kubuntu over ubuntu
[00:37] <leaper> What's the difference?
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i can only access it when i type <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> leaper: depends which apps you prefer and the desktop itself
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> is there something i need to enable in my router
[00:37] <Troy^> nibbler_: what was i suppose to get from it it came back with jumps
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> i just got my internet connected
[00:37] <Troy^> or hits
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> and something is not getting laoine
[00:37] <rox> leaper: the desktop environment, ubuntu had Gnome installed by default, and kubuntu has KDE
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> alone*
[00:37] <ActionParsnip> leaper: I'd hit up youtube etc, there will be vids
[00:37] <KobeSyst1m> along*
[00:37] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  quick work around.. add a entry in /etc/hosts for it.. and use whatever name you want.. I always use ip# for all my machines on my lan.. NEVER their names..
[00:37] <leaper> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu is cool in my head, so I'm not picky
[00:37] <leaper> But the things that matter are: speed
[00:37] <KornKage> dr_willis i don't think it matters, because its only me on and my ubuntu
[00:38] <dr_willis> Internet settings on the router wont be affecting the local LAN host name finding stuff for the lan machines
[00:38] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: but why should i change it
[00:38] <ActionParsnip> leaper: if you use a light destop like LXDE (default in Lubuntu) it will use fewer resources and be faster
[00:38] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i have philaneous.com
[00:38] <leaper> Right now I have regular old Ubuntu
[00:38] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i think it has to do something with the wireless
[00:38] <Troy^> arg
[00:39] <rox> leaper: well, regular old ubuntu has Gnome installed
[00:39] <nibbler_> Troy^, if it has answers for you, the dns works... if you are unsure about the result, just nopaste it. please nopaste: dig cnn.com @<IP_ADDRESS>; dig cnn.com @YOUR-DNS-SERVER; dig cnn.com; ping heise.de; cat /etc/resolve.conf
[00:39] <leaper> Yes
[00:39] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: im going to grab an ethernet cable and see if i can type philaneous.com
[00:39] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m: hook up a wired connectin and see..
[00:39] <KornKage> dr_willis i think the problem that i have is that i don't quite understand the diffence between system variable and environment variable, and where to put each , in case these are not the same
[00:39] <leaper> Is KDE a better desktop environment?
[00:39] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: yeah
[00:39] <nibbler_> !better
[00:39] <rox> leaper: kubuntu would have KDE, which is a different desktop environment
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> leaper: there is no outright 'better' or 'best'
[00:39] <ActionParsnip> leaper: try it, see if you like it
[00:39] <dr_willis> KornKage:   I cant say ive ever heard the term 'SYstem Variable' used.. an Enviromental variable is a feature of the shell.
[00:39] <rox> leaper: it's a question of preference, rather then quality
[00:40] <KornKage> dr_willis its on gnss-sdr README telling me to do it to probably enable rtlsdr(usb SDR device)
[00:40] <rox> leaper: i, for instance, run xubuntu
[00:40] <leaper> Ok
[00:40] <rox> leaper: which has xfce installed by default
[00:40] <dr_willis> KornKage:  system wide /etc/profile would be a likely place to set it.
[00:40] <leaper> What's xubuntu use?
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> leaper: XFCE
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> leaper: with xfwm4 as the WM
[00:41] <leaper> Are there like pics of all the different enviros?
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> leaper: Kubuntu uses Kwin and Ubuntu uses Compiz
[00:41] <Troy^> nibbler_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1178886/
[00:41] <rox> leaper: google is your friend
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> leaper: sure, search the web
[00:41] <leaper> K
[00:41] <leaper> And what's Lubuntu?
[00:41] <KornKage> dr_willis i will give you the README, https://gnss-sdr.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gnss-sdr/trunk/README
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> leaper: LXDE + openbox on Ubuntu
[00:41] <rox> leaper: http://www.google.si/search?q=lubuntu&num=100&hl=sl&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=eyc&channel=cs&prmd=imvnsal&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6FhBUJPjErTO4QTjt4CoAw&ved=0CFMQsAQ&biw=1406&bih=1094
[00:42] <rox> leaper: http://www.google.si/search?q=kubuntu&num=100&hl=sl&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tVlBUKzhPMaB4ATH9oCQAQ&ved=0CEwQsAQ&biw=1406&bih=1094
[00:42] <lidar> !google > leaper
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> rox: one reraon to not use google
[00:42] <KornKage> i have put the system variables on .bashrc file(as root)
[00:42] <leaper> K
[00:42] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/26318/environment-variable-vs-shell-variable-whats-the-difference
[00:42] <dr_willis> KornKage:  root has his own .bashrc that i doubt gets read/used very much
[00:42] <dr_willis> KornKage:  that would definatly NOT affect all users.
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> leaper: there is nothing stopping you installing all the desktops and tryingthem all (except storage space)
[00:43] <leaper> Yea
[00:43] <leaper> The comp I'm using is a cheap Toshiba Satellite from a couple years ago
[00:43] <rox> leaper: it is good to know, that all those desktop environments are in ubuntu, it's just a question of which one is installed by default
[00:43] <leaper> Like a forerunner test comp
[00:43] <dr_willis> KornKage:  for a single user. you could put the export line at the end of their .bashrc
[00:43] <leaper> Ok
[00:44] <leaper> Well thanks for everything
[00:44] <leaper> Just wondering
[00:44] <rox> leaper: which means, if you install from kubuntu cd, with a single command you can turn that kubuntu into lubuntu or xubuntu or ubuntu - whichever you prefer
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> leaper: go crazy then, once you find what you like, wipe it all off and just install what you like
[00:44] <leaper> And oh yea, what does it mean by CD?
[00:44] <ratcheer> LOL
[00:44] <leaper> I suppose like a 138mb floppy disc wont work?
[00:45] <ActionParsnip> leaper: in what context?
[00:45] <leaper> For installing Desktop LTS
[00:45] <KornKage> dr_willis ok , thank you
[00:45] <Troy^> arrgg now all my comps on the network are having DNS problems
[00:46] <dr_willis> 138mb floppy disc?
[00:46] <leaper> Something like that
[00:48] <rox> leaper: would you please give me your dealer's phone number?
[00:48] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i tried access it thru my ps3 (wireless)
[00:48] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: no luckl
[00:48] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i tried ethernet
[00:48] <leaper> What?
[00:48] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  by ip# or name? or what exactly....
[00:48] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: something is fucking it up locally
[00:48] <rox> leaper: just joking
[00:48] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: i tried by the domain name
[00:49] <leaper> Is a 138mb floppy disc unusual?
[00:49] <rox> leaper: 138MGB floppy disk is a pretty bizzare thing to say
[00:49] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: it only works when i type <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:49] <leaper> I have no iidea what it ia
[00:49] <leaper> Is*
[00:49] <leaper> Its something like that
[00:49] <dr_willis> KobeSyst1m:  dosent really make a lot of sence to go 'out to the internet' to connect to a server that is directly on the local lan.
[00:50] <Troy^> i don't understand how i could have so many dns problems
[00:50] <ActionParsnip> leaper: you'll need a 700Mb CD, a 4.7Gb DVD or a 1Gb USB stick (or SD card)
[00:50] <leaper> Thanks
[00:50] <leaper> I have a 1gb usb
[00:51] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: it only works when i type <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:51] <leaper> Not sure if my old comp can boot with a usb tho, ill try
[00:51] <KobeSyst1m> dr_willis: type philaneous.com
[00:51] <bobweaver> KobeSyst1m,  what in the hosts file ?
[00:53] <rox> leaper: a CD is a safe choice of installation media
[00:53] <leaper> Where do I buy one of these mystical "CD" thingies?
[00:54] <rox> leaper: hmm, in pretty much any computer store, bookstore, most general stores, gas stations, etc
[00:55] <rox> leaper: have you not heard of CD or DVD disks?
[00:55]  * rox will brb
[00:55] <leaper> DVDs are for movies rright?
[00:56] <moes> They can also be used for operating system etc
[00:56] <leaper> Ill stick with a USB, thanks though
[00:57] <leaper> That is if it works...
[00:59] <cinead> fyi - dvd drives won't boot from ubuntu iso on a CD
[01:00] <ratcheer> cinead: What? I do it all the time.
[01:01] <cinead> not mine ... usually drive reads both, but I installed today one that is just dvd
[01:01] <cinead> took me an hour to figure out what I was doing wrong
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> cinead: will if you grab the DVD ISO
[01:03] <cinead> yep.  just burned the iso to a dvd and it worked fine.
[01:04] <dr_willis> sounds like a hardware failure on the drive...
[01:05] <dr_willis> or an old drive that couldent handle the cd+r or -r or whatever it used to be.
[01:06] <HeatSeeker> Hi, I can not longer access the graphical login screen on ubuntu 12.04.
[01:06] <HeatSeeker> no longer*
[01:06] <krababbel> HeatSeeker: what exactly happens?
[01:07] <HeatSeeker> I can't remember the error message, would it have auto-logged to a file or should I reboot quick?
[01:08] <krababbel> HeatSeeker: you mean it won't automatically start and what happens then?
[01:08] <spaceace85> Can someone recommend a COMPATIBLE PCI-Express Sound card with SPDIF Coax outputs for Ubuntu?
[01:08] <dr_willis> not a lot we can do with the vagueness of the  informnation...
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: wow totally forgot the + - thing
[01:09] <dr_willis> ActionParsnip:  :) yep.. us old timers can rember when that was the 'big' debate of the day
[01:09] <HeatSeeker> it just stops at a text screen, but I can access the command line login via alt F1-6, and start x manually there.
[01:09] <HeatSeeker> I think it might me lightdm that's broken but I'm not sure
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: 'i have a drive that does both'....'no way that's awesome'
[01:10] <dr_willis> ActionParsnip:  :)   Then there was  all the formats/variants the died off.. (I recall self desctucting DVD movies) ;P
[01:10] <NoCode> Hi, is there anyway to change the spacing between each 'quick launch' icon in gnome-panel in 12.04?
[01:10] <krababbel> HeatSeeker: for me lightdm often won't start automatically either. It shows me console tty1 instead and I have to start lightdm manually.
[01:10] <BluesKaj> spaceace85, I use a m-audio audiophile 192 , with spdif coax output , works greatt
[01:11] <spaceace85> BluesKaj, thanks - you using this with XBMC with no dramas?
[01:11] <joobie> guys does ubuntu run grub or grub2 natively?
[01:11] <HeatSeeker> krababbel: starting lightdm doesn't work for me, I get the same screen as I was on before.
[01:11] <dr_willis> !grub2
[01:11] <levander> BluesKaj: that's your audio card or your speakers?
[01:11] <ReXiO> Hello. Does anyone have the md5 Hashes for the image ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso ?
[01:11] <dr_willis> grub2 has been the default for like 3 years. ;)
[01:11] <ReXiO> I can only find the hashes of the old 12.04 desktop image here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[01:11] <levander> BluesKaj: what speakers do you use?
[01:11] <krababbel> HeatSeeker: had that too, I tried xdm, also problems sometimes, reinstalled lightdm, and now at least I can start it like that.
[01:11] <krababbel> HeatSeeker: no idea
[01:12] <trism> ReXiO: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS
[01:12] <krababbel> xdm would break pulseaudio
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> trism: nice
[01:12] <ReXiO> trism, thanks
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> ReXiO: or http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/MD5SUMS
[01:12] <dr_willis> why would xdm break pulse audio?
[01:13] <krababbel> dr_willis: after I logged in, pulseaudio couldn't access the hw, it fell back to a dummy output, but not always :p
[01:13] <dr_willis> or course pulse audio dosent seem to make sounds here  untill i get logged in. :) i get no login sounds...  using my hdmi monitor as audio.. but i do if i use normal speakers..
[01:13] <joobie> is there a command i can run to see what version of grub i have installed?
[01:14] <dr_willis> grub --version   perhaps.
[01:14] <joobie> i did dpkg --get-selections and i see some grub ones and one grub2-common one
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> joobie: apt-cache policy grub*
[01:14] <HeatSeeker> Would it be worth me just switching to gdm or something?
[01:14] <BluesKaj> spaceace85, I tried xbmc and it worked fine , but I prefer a simpler approach with VLC ...but one thing to remember thses pci cards need pulseaudio and pavucontrol , which is basically immaterial in terms of audio quaility since it's a digital passthru
[01:14] <krababbel> dr_willis: don't know, I had issues with login managers since I installed this. I installed a command line only first, then added xorg, xdm and a window manager however.
[01:14] <ActionParsnip> HeatSeeker: worth a try
[01:14] <spaceace85> BluesKaj, thanks :)
[01:15] <dr_willis> krababbel:  sounds like some support services are not gettting started
[01:15] <krababbel> looked alright at the boot screen
[01:15] <BluesKaj> spaceace85, good luck with your search :)
[01:16] <BluesKaj> there are others that work well too
[01:16] <krababbel> someone here mentioned that plymouth is buggy, for example a plymouth script doesn't even have xdm listed among kdm, gdm... Don't know what happens really though.
[01:17] <krababbel> dr_willis: currently it works, I just have to start lightdm manually after i login to tty1
[01:17] <dr_willis> krababbel:  start it from rc.local after a slight delay. :)
[01:18] <dr_willis> slim - desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11
[01:18] <krababbel> dr_willis: also the same thing worked on a virtual test install I had done before. Thanks, will try these.
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> slim is badass
[01:18] <joobie> ActionParsnip, it says alot of 1.99 versions
[01:18] <joobie> does that mean im running grub not grub2?
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> joobie: then its grub2
[01:18] <dr_willis> joobie:  that is grub2 then...
[01:19] <dr_willis> dont ask for the logic of the grub devs.. ;)
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> joobie: its been the default since Karmic back in 2009
[01:19] <joobie> I don't get it
[01:19] <joobie> when i do
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> joobie: what is the issue
[01:19] <Haligan> has anyone had a god experience running ubuntu on a macbook pro. If so dual boot or virtual?
[01:19] <joobie> apt-cache show grub2, it says something about "GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package) This is a dummy transitional package to handle GRUB 2 upgrades.  It can besafely removed."
[01:20] <dr_willis> whats sort of scary is the features grub2 has 'in the works' or just not enabled by default.. its got some really nifty features..
[01:20] <dr_willis> joobie:  so? its a transitional package for people upgradeing from eralier reelases..
[01:20] <dr_willis> the actual package name is grub-pc i belive
[01:20] <dr_willis> !info grub-pc
[01:20] <ActionParsnip> joobie: there are many metapackages like that, makes life easier
[01:20] <lidar> dr_willis: the boot .iso is next grub2 feature i plan on using
[01:20] <joobie> this is a fresh install.. if it's using grub2, why ist ehre a transitional package on there? why is it called grub2 when im supposedly runnning grub2?
[01:21] <danawar2> Hey #ubuntu a program called REMMINA a remote desktop client has appeared on my computer for no reason should i be worried?
[01:21] <dr_willis> lidar:  been using that for ages. ;)  keeping a whole .iso file (or several) on your /boot/ partition for easy rescues/reinstalls/other testing.. comes in handy
[01:21] <dr_willis> !info remmina
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> danawar2: its probably brought in by the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. It is in a default install. I wouldn't be worried at all
[01:22] <joobie> ActionParsnip, im just trying to find out if grub can load /boot from a software raid 5
[01:22] <dr_willis> bbl
[01:22] <joobie> ActionParsnip, started reading into it all and maybe grub2 can, but then i tried to figure out what version grub i had installed and it went downhill from there
[01:22] <danawar2> ActionParsnip: Do you think it might have installed a server and someone is trying to control my PC?
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> joobie: i believe it depends on the hardware.
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> danawar2: not at all
[01:22] <danawar2> ActionParsnip: The icon has never been up in the top right and it has just suddenly appared O.o
[01:23] <lidar> danawar2: if someone is controlling your pc .. atleast someone is getting some use from it !
[01:23] <joobie> ActionParsnip, how so?
[01:23] <SGT_Saunders> okay I want to thank pissedoff for the link. It helped. Now I'm in the OS and I have updated teh GFX driver.  Now it detects my monitor as a laptop monitor and will not go above 640 x 480.
[01:23] <danawar2> lidar: i dont know what that is meant to mean...
[01:24] <NoCode> Hi, is there anyway to change the spacing between each 'quick launch' icon in gnome-panel in 12.04?
[01:24] <luftikuss> danawar2: You should not worry about remmina.
[01:25] <krababbel> slim works :)
[01:25] <joobie> ActionParsnip, how does the hardware come into play with grub supporting software raid 5 for /boot?
[01:27] <Troy^> i have my ports forwards but still cant seem to ssh using my external ip address
[01:28] <krababbel> Troy^: that is vague
[01:29] <jakemp> Is there a way to detect or insert a callback when a program is returning from a context switch?
[01:29] <Troy^> krababbel: i don't know how i could be more specific lol
[01:29] <krababbel> what error
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> joobie: not sure, thats all i've seen of raid. Ive only used hard raid in linux when i've used raid
[01:29] <btcbuy314> where would be a good place to put a sound file for a function i am putting in .bashrc
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> btcbuy314: ~/Music maybe, or maka a hidden folder for it
[01:30] <btcbuy314> i want to put it somewhere that anyone can access so not in home
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> btcbuy314: anywhere will do really, as long as you have read access to the file anywhere will do
[01:33] <ActionParsnip> btcbuy314: just not in /dev or /proc
[01:34] <spiouki> hey  is  Wine bottle management safe?
[01:34] <spiouki> anybody  has ever tried it before
[01:34] <spiouki> ?
[01:35] <spiouki> seems hard to remove softwares from wine I think i need it
[01:38] <spiouki> nobody there???????????/
[01:38] <spiouki> cmon where are you guys?
[01:39] <spiouki> even the bots are gone
[01:39] <matts45acp> can someone tell me why when i log into classic gnome my log off shutdown and restart applet is gone
[01:41] <trism> matts45acp: 12.04? alt+right click the panel, add to panel, indicator applet complete
[01:42] <matts45acp> tris, linux mint 13
[01:42] <lidar> !mint
[01:47] <linus> Hello
[01:48] <linus> I appear to be having a issue with my audio
[01:49] <linus> can anyone assist me?
[01:50] <linus> I guess not
[01:55] <jakr> how can i change default boot order with multiple OS installed?
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> jakr: do you want windows to be first?
[01:57] <jakr> yes i do
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> jakr: shouldv've just said so ;)
[01:57] <ActionParsnip> jakr: gimme a sec
[01:57] <allure> Hi! I've changed a variable on my.cnf (mysql-server conf) and it won't take it even after a service restart nor reboot... what should I do?
[01:57] <jakr> if I do not select windows after ten seconds of the boot screen, it goes into linux mint
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> jakr: sudo mv /etc/grub.d
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> oops
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> sec
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> jakr: sudo mv /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober /etc/grub.d/08_os-prober
[01:59] <ActionParsnip> jakr: sudo update-grub
[02:00] <jakr> ActionParsnip, thats it?
[02:00] <ActionParsnip> jakr: yes, 2 commands
[02:00] <jakr> and what will that do exactly and how did you come up with 'em?
[02:01] <ActionParsnip> jakr: the number in front dictates the order, so you moved the os prober (windows one) to the top by making it lower then the linux files
[02:02] <jakr> ok thanks
[02:02] <jakr> is sudo the equivalent to the windows registry?
[02:02] <ActionParsnip> jakr: no, sudo means 'do it as root'
[02:02] <allure> super user do
[02:02] <allure> or something :)
[02:02] <ActionParsnip> jakr: as your user is only a user, it just has access to do admin tasks by using sudo (and gksudo for gui apps)
[02:03] <jakr> okk
[02:03] <jakr> ActionParsnip, have you used linux mint?
[02:03] <ActionParsnip> jakr: tried it and didn't like it
[02:04] <jakr> something about the mouse sensitivity is different from windows
[02:04] <ActionParsnip> jakr: mint isn't supported here
[02:05] <bazhang> !mintsupport | jakr
[02:05] <allure> I've changed a variable on my.cnf (mysql-server conf) and it won't take it even after a service restart nor reboot... what should I do?
[02:05] <ActionParsnip> allure: ask in #mysql too
[02:06] <allure> ActionParsnip, yeah, no answer there too :)
[02:06] <allure> ActionParsnip, google was not of any help as well ...
[02:06] <ActionParsnip> allure: tried duckduckgo ?
[02:07] <allure> Why would DDG find something google woudn't?
[02:07] <UbuntuDude> Dunno if anyone is interested in my solution from earlier, a bash script allowing the insertion of a custom command into rc.local ---> http://pastebin.com/sB8GiWuB
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> allure: it doesn't bubble you and it uses a different search method
[02:07] <ActionParsnip> allure: so may give different results
[02:08] <wolfric> when you go "connect to server" and connect to ssh and get a folder view of the files there, is this mounted somewhere on the filesystem i can browse to?
[02:08] <hcecilia> ??
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: run:  mount
[02:08] <allure> ActionParsnip, still don't see the logic :)
[02:08] <ActionParsnip> allure: its like looking in 2 libraries for a book, one library doesn't have it, so try another
[02:08] <driiper> Hello! Is there anyone here that know how i can drop rejected packages instead of blocking them in the UFW firewall on ubuntu?
[02:08] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: it's nowhere listed there
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> !firewall | dripper
[02:09] <jakr> ActionParsnip, thankyou
[02:09] <allure> ActionParsnip, it's like asking two librarian to search on the same library :)
[02:09] <wolfric> the files still appear in "recent files" though
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> allure: duifferent search engines use different methods to find results, so using a different search engine with the same search string will give different results
[02:09] <allure> ActionParsnip, yes, but for this problem I would have found an answer on any of it if there was one
[02:09] <driiper> lotuspsychje: i know what a firewall is, the problem is to manage it correcly. ive been trying for several hours now but cant seem to get it to work.
[02:09] <ActionParsnip> allure: just because crappy gogle can't find it doesn't man it doesn't exist
[02:10] <hcecilia> all user must use english?
[02:10] <lotuspsychje> driiper: try to describe what you wanna do in chat, more change other will be able to help
[02:10] <bazhang> hcecilia, #ubuntu-cn for Chinese
[02:11] <hcecilia> o~oh thank
[02:11] <driiper> Is there anyone that know how i can change the default reject method to DROP instead of BLOCK in the UFW firewall?
[02:13] <ActionParsnip> allure: http://www.howtoforge.com/mysql_database_replication
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> driiper: the url showed on firewall shows iptables howto, also the DROP method...
[02:14] <ActionParsnip> allure: http://code.openark.org/blog/mysql/wheres-my-cnf-file
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> allure: https://blogs.oracle.com/rainy/entry/why_isn_t_mysql_using
[02:15] <ActionParsnip> allure: that seems to be the one you want
[02:16] <ActionParsnip> allure: let me know how you go
[02:18] <allure> ActionParsnip, thank you, reading through it
[02:18] <ActionParsnip> allure: all found with duckduckgo...have you seen those pages at all?
[02:19] <allure> ActionParsnip, I was reading some other ones, this one in particular has the same problem related: http://serverfault.com/questions/394651/mysql-my-cnf-ignored
[02:23] <Lionize> anyone able to help a linux newb execute an ata secure erase using hdparm command?
[02:23] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: why not just use dd
[02:24] <Lionize> dd? not familiar
[02:25] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: sudo if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg     to blank off /dev/sdg   with zeros
[02:25] <ActionParsnip> something like taht
[02:25] <ActionParsnip>  Lionize: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg
[02:26] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: obviously change /dev/sdg to the drive you want to erase
[02:26] <Lionize> ActionParsnip: i have a ssd and understand that secure erase is only reliable sanitization method for ssd's
[02:26] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: you only need a single sweep to blank it
[02:27] <allure> ActionParsnip, none of those helped, but this looks primising http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427099
[02:28] <ActionParsnip> allure: what I used: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=my.cnf+mysql+reread
[02:28] <allure> ActionParsnip, mine was found on google.com, 3rd result with the search "my.cnf ignored"
[02:28] <ActionParsnip> allure: but you want mysql to reread the file after you made changes...
[02:29] <allure> ActionParsnip, I want it not to ignore the changes because it is being read just not taking action on it
[02:29] <ActionParsnip> allure: what about if you reboot?
[02:30] <allure> ActionParsnip, done that.. now trying to put stuff in the right section, like that site has suggested
[02:30] <epoch> hello
[02:32] <Lionize> ActionParsnip: so secure erase is not required for wiping a ssd?
[02:32] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: no, a single sweep of zeros will be fine
[02:33] <Guest44722> who here remebers lilo the person ?
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> Lionize: some ssd brands might requier a firmware update from their site aswell
[02:35] <Lionize> thank lotuspsychje, i will do that first
[02:37] <bazhang> !ot | Guest44722
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> Lionize:what brand are you gonna install on wich ubuntu version?
[02:37] <tarvid> i want to share a USB printer connected to this desktop with MAC and Windows users, how do I do that
[02:38] <bazhang> tarvid, check the printer at linuxprinting.org database, for the first step
[02:38] <tarvid> it prints fine locally
[02:38] <Lionize> lotuspsychje: my ssd is Kingston and the ubuntu version is 12.04 i think
[02:38] <bondj> hello
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> Lionize: 32 or 64bit?
[02:39] <tarvid> I have samba server configuration up but I deon't know how to add a printer only directories
[02:39] <Lionize> lotuspsychje: 64bit
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> Lionize: nice mate that will be rock fast
[02:40] <ActionParsnip> tarvid: do you have a desktop UI?
[02:40] <Lionize> lotuspsychje: right on, screamin fast it is.
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> Lionize: i installed precise 12.04.1 64bit in 13 minutes on a transcend ssd
[02:40] <AnDsO> travid:https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/samba-fileserver.html
[02:41] <tarvid> Yes Unity at the moment
[02:41] <ActionParsnip> tarvid: if you open the printer dialogue, you can share printers there
[02:41] <tarvid> I markied it as shared there
[02:42] <ActionParsnip> tarvid: if you run:  smbtree    do you see the printer share?
[02:43] <tarvid> Ignoring unknown parameter "update encrypted"
[02:45] <NoCode> can ext4 read/write to ntfs, as well as ntfs read/write to ext4?
[02:45] <lidar> NoCode: thats like asking if a concrete road can be a blacktop road and viceversa
[02:46] <NoCode> IS IT
[02:46] <Crowler> NoCode NO
[02:46] <NoCode> WHERE THE HELL DOES MASONRY COME TO MIND WHEN YOU'RE USING UBUNTU?
[02:47] <lotuspsychje> !caps | NoCode
[02:47] <lidar> NoCode: i was trying to use a simple term that you may be able to relate to
[02:47] <NoCode> !caps | Crowler
[02:47] <tarvid> ActionParsnip, running smbtree returns an error message Ignoring unknown parameter "update encrypted"
[02:47] <lidar> !spam > NoCode
[02:48] <NoCode> !abuse > lidar
[02:48] <lidar> lotuspsychje: what have you broken today ?
[02:48] <NoCode> Anyway, I'll try the ntfs-3g driver
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> lidar: lol funny...i had some prmosing hints yesterday, but again did not fix my square mouse
[02:49] <wan26> !ot | lotuspsychje
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> wan26??
[02:50] <lotuspsychje> lidar: a guy showed me some compiz settings to lower, but didnt do the trick
[02:51] <NoCode> It's pretty weird that I can open a mounted ntfs folder in Ubuntu, make a new folder. Close nautilus, open it again to see a folder there still.
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: why so?
[02:52] <NoCode> I remember years ago that i could not do that.
[02:52] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: ntfs-3g isn't taht old :)
[02:52] <NoCode> I couldn't write to a ntfs
[02:53] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: funny how Linux can access proprietary ntfs, but crappy windows can't access ext4 despite the data structure been freely available
[02:53] <NoCode> ActionParsnip, hmm, it can't?
[02:53] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: not at all
[02:54] <NoCode> ActionParsnip, can it with ext3?
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfs-3g it started in 2006
[02:54] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: with 3rd party software you can get read access only
[02:54] <NoCode> damn
[02:54] <Erin> really slow read access too..
[02:54] <Erin> in my experience.
[02:55] <Crowler> NoCode now you can write to ntfs volumes. also you can go past ntfs user rights, path depth and charset limitation, making files unreadable under windows
[02:55] <NoCode> well, actually. Confusingly so, I think I did the right thing. Yeah. ntfs for windows, ntfs for storage partition, ext4 for ubuntu. So either-or can access the data.
[02:56] <NoCode> Does that sound right?
[02:56] <Erin> NoCode, its only the right way because of microsoft
[02:56] <NoCode> yea
[02:56] <NoCode> Sadly
[02:56] <Erin>        I have a hard time calling it the "right" way
[02:56] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: sounds good, accommodate the Windows OS shortcomings :)
[02:56] <Erin> but it is the way that will give you the least problems
[02:57] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: personally I use a fileserver, so the format is moot :). Both OSes access it the same
[02:57] <NoCode> Well, I can't call it the proper way either. Been away from Linux for too long to get another full debian installation. So, that'll have to wait a while before I do that again.
[02:57] <Erin> I love linux so much I am backing up my wifes laptop using DD over the network to my samba server. 1 command I copy the whole disk get MB/s reading timer of copy and total data copied so far. Best part is no need to take the ssd out.
[02:58] <NoCode> ActionParsnip, cool, what is the fileserver formatted to?
[02:58] <ActionParsnip> NoCode: ext4
[02:58] <NoCode> hrm
[02:59] <ijat> hy guys
[03:00] <NoCode> Another question: If I install KDE, is there anyway to keep gnome programs on the gnome DE, and KDE programs on the KDE DE?
[03:00] <NoCode> I don't want that stuff intermixed.
[03:02] <Catta> does anyone feel up to helping me install damn small linux on a dell inspiron 4000? I don't know how to prepare the HD and I am getting errors like "daemon is inhibited" and that the drive is "unmountable" I have read and read, and I would really appreciate a live person with a generous heart.
[03:03] <xangua> Catta: sounds like a dsl question, you should find a propper channel for it
[03:04] <Catta> i am in the damn small linux channel. I got the same errors when trying to install in ubuntu 10.4.1 netbook.. , no one is awake in damn small linux channel, but thank you
[03:05] <lidar> Catta: people here are ubuntu centric
[03:06] <ActionParsnip> Catta: ask in the damn small channel
[03:06] <Catta> i burned iso of ubuntu 12.04.1 and also10.04 netbook ..
[03:06] <Catta> i would love to install ubuntu 10.04
[03:06] <Erin> Catta, what happens when you try to install ubuntu?
[03:06] <lidar> Catta: how about we install ubuntu? dsl is cool but fairley useless
[03:06] <ActionParsnip> Catta: on low end hardware I'd go for Lubuntu
[03:07] <Catta> it says those two errors that i typed in my first question
[03:07] <Erin> Catta, It says the drive is unmountable? is this after the formatting part ?
[03:07] <Catta> there is some fundamental thing that i am missing , how to prepare the HD i think? I tried to paritian and formatt
[03:08] <Erin> Catta, ubuntu has a gui that can auto-format for you should be no issue unless the HD is failing or bad.
[03:08] <Catta> yes, but i am not sure if I did that properly
[03:08] <Erin> its like two clicks you tell it to auto format or some equivelant
[03:09] <Catta> i removed the parition while in windows (which no longer works of course) and then tried to put in a new one and format it with the ubuntu 10.40
[03:09] <goddard> Are there any places more "offical" I can download some themes?
[03:09] <goddard> I don't want a million ppas
[03:10] <Erin> Catta, can you hit the try ubuntu without installing and then pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l ??
[03:10] <xangua> goddard: gnome-look-org
[03:12] <lidar> anyone remember lilo i was wondering if the driver was ever caught
[03:13] <Catta> I am rebooting with the 10.04 netbook ubuntu on my dell inspiron 4000
[03:13] <Erin> Catta, why use 10.04 ?
[03:13] <Erin> we're up to 12.04 :-)
[03:14] <Catta> because it is the one I have, i mistyped earlier, should I get a different version? This is such an old laptop
[03:14] <Erin> Catta, I would use 12.04 i'm sure bugfixes and new hardware compatibility have come along way since 10.04
[03:14] <Erin> and maybe the auto-format will work for you on 10.04
[03:15] <RedWar> ??
[03:15] <Catta> the first error is "the installer encountered an unrecoverable error. a desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try installing again"
[03:16] <Erin> Catta, yea I have no idea what that means.  It may still be supported cause I think .04 are LTR releases but it's still old....
[03:16] <Catta> I will download the 12.04  is there a specific kind i need for my ancient laptop? like netbook edition?
[03:16] <Catta> ok I will start looking for 12.04
[03:16] <Erin> Catta, someone suggested Lubuntu due to low resources. I prefer xubuntu (xfce) my self it's low resource also but not as much as lubuntu.
[03:16] <lidar> Catta: you will be happier with lubuntu using the lxde probably
[03:16] <Erin> Catta, I am guessing if its very old you need 32-bit version of ubuntu.
[03:17] <Catta> the computer is 12 yrs old at least
[03:17] <Catta> laptop
[03:17] <Erin> Catta, what processor is in it.
[03:17] <Erin> oh definently 32-bit then i'd guess..
[03:17] <Studious> I accidentally on purpose deleted my cpu from my sisters board, what to do now?
[03:17] <Erin> Studious, lmao.... what does that even mean
[03:17] <ActionParsnip> Erin: not all .04 release are LTS
[03:18] <Erin> ActionParsnip, ah whats the cycle then?
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> Erin: 8.04, 12.04, 14.04, 16.04
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> Erin: every 2 years
[03:18] <ActionParsnip> Erin: 10.04 too
[03:19] <Catta> I am downloading lubuntu 12.04 iso
[03:19] <lidar> Catta: 32 bit ?
[03:19] <Catta> yes thank you
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> sadly ubuntu 12.04 isn't LTS (annoying)
[03:19] <Erin> ActionParsnip, oh I thought it was!
[03:19] <ebs512> hey guys I need help making a desktop icon launcher to run everything in sudo so I can create/edit files in the /usr /etc directories
[03:19] <ActionParsnip> Erin: sadly not
[03:19] <Erin> Catta, is that the hard drive that came with that laptop IE 12 years old ?
[03:20] <Erin> Catta, if so I'd venture it is dying crazy it made it this long HD's usually don't last 12 years...
[03:20] <Catta> let me check the laptop, since i have ubuntu 10.04 open on it but not installed
[03:22] <joobie> guys im trying to install "sgdisk".. I did "apt-get install sgdisk" and it didnt come up.. any idea where to from here?
[03:22] <joobie> is there a more general repo i should add ?
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> !find sgdisk
[03:23] <ActionParsnip> joobie: sudo apt-get install gdisk
[03:23] <Catta> umm I am having trouble finding the laptops stats, but it has a celeron (coppermine) processor
[03:24] <ebs512> is nobody using ubuntu 12.04 that can help me out?
[03:24] <ActionParsnip> Catta: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:24] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: ask and see
[03:24] <WeThePeople> ebs512, just ask
[03:24] <joobie> thanks ActionParsnip
[03:24] <Cong> !find gedit
[03:25] <ebs512> I forgot how I did this on the desktop but am trying to do it again on the laptop, I made a launcher icon that launches a file explorer with sudo permissions so I can add and edit files
[03:25] <ebs512> like in /etc folder
[03:25] <natsirt> Does anyone here understand linux scripting wothot nmap?
[03:25] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: make it run:  gksudo nautilus $HOME
[03:26] <natsirt> join #bash
[03:26] <WeThePeople> natsirt, maybe #nmap
[03:27] <WeThePeople> too
[03:27] <ebs512> How can I make that an icon ActionParsnip, thank you for that
[03:27] <Catta> i used that command ActionParsnip  , what info should I share?
[03:27] <Cong> !gksudo >cong
[03:28] <lidar> Catta: cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep -i mhz
[03:28] <Erin> Catta, launch the command "palimpsest" from the terminal and select your hd on the left does it have a green circle for healthy drive or does it report errors ??
[03:28] <ActionParsnip> ebs512: copy one of the .desktop files from ~/.config/autostart   and edit it
[03:30] <Catta> Erin: next the smart status is is green circle
[03:31] <Catta> i currently have 3 broken laptops and 1 broken netbook and this old one is the most reliable of them all
[03:31] <Crowler> what is min ram for lubuntu? it may not run on default inspiron's 128 meg
[03:32] <Erin> Catta, lol if you hit smart data button and run self test lets see if it passes
[03:32] <Erin> Catta, select extended test, how big is the drive might take a bit.
[03:32] <Catta> i did that earlier, i will again, i didnt know what i was checking earlier :D
[03:32] <Catta> its 10gig
[03:32] <Erin> oh do the extended test and the conveyance then. since its so small
[03:33] <Erin> how long does it say for power on years?
[03:33] <Catta> this is taking longer because the mouse nub is posessed and it is ignoring my usb mouse somewhat because of this
[03:33] <RedWar> test
[03:35] <mangdood_> Is there an easy way to print several opendocument files? From command line or something?
[03:35] <foul_owl> What is the command to update library paths for an elf binary? I have installed libstdc++5 but the binary still can't find it
[03:35] <Catta> what worries me the most about this inspiron 4000 is that until I plugged it in recently the CD drive did not work for years , so i was stuck with windows, because it does not boot from usb.. now that the cd drive is running i want to hurry and get ubuntu on it!
[03:36] <Lionize> ActionParsnip: could you please clarify the basic procedure for wiping with "dd" so i can plan this thing out. do you know of a wiki or something i might get some instructions from?
[03:36] <Crowler> you just said you cant unscrew 4 screws for years
[03:38] <lickalott> Lionize just google dd (ubuntu)
[03:38] <lickalott> there is a pretty comprehensive forum guide on it.
[03:39] <Crowler> Lionize you have to feed dd with actual name of your hdd in your system
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> Lionize: have all partitions on the drive unmounted and then run:    sudo dd if=/dev/zero /dev/sdg     this will go from the start of the storage to the end writing 0s.
[03:39] <lickalott> usually dd if=/dev/??? of=/dev/???  where if = input file/drive and of = output file/drive.  Not completely familar with wiping
[03:39] <ActionParsnip> !google | lickalott
[03:39] <lickalott> well....there you go
[03:40] <lickalott> no disrepect intended ActionParsnip, that's what I indicated what to google.  *noted
[03:40] <spiouki> hey Im compiling a package and I cant configure it. please help
[03:41] <Erin> Lionize, sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/device  (like /dev/sda) you can use sudo fdisk -l to pick which one
[03:41] <Erin> Lionize, then do sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/device
[03:42] <ActionParsnip> spiouki: is there not a PPA for the application?
[03:42] <Catta> lidar: what was the command you gave me to do?
[03:43] <foul_owl> What is the command to update library paths for an elf binary? I have installed libstdc++5 but the binary still can't find it
[03:43] <Lionize> wow, i better use google first...
[03:43] <spiouki> what is ppa. is it deb package?
[03:43] <foul_owl> ldd shows "libstdc++.so.5 => not found"
[03:43] <Erin> Lionize, here is a command with a nice progress bar:    sudo dd if=input_file | pv -s `du -bc input_file | cut -f 1 --output-delimiter=" " | head -1` | sudo dd of=output_file
[03:43] <spiouki> I cant find any deb package for it its just tar.bz2
[03:44] <Crowler> foul_owl ldconfig? it was so lond ago that im not sure if it is right one
[03:44] <MonkeyDust> spiouki  a deb for what?
[03:45] <foul_owl> I ran ldconfig, still having the problem :/
[03:46] <Catta> can someone please tell me how to disable the dell inspiron 4000's touchpad and nub mouse? I thought i had it disabled in bios, but it is ghosting and clicking all over the screen.. I already tried in mouse and then keyboard options?
[03:46] <Catta> in ubuntu 10.04
[03:46] <Cong> won't using sudo for console apps make the specified file be owned by root
[03:46] <systm> what do i need to do to add universe to apt sources from terminal. I'm ssh'd from a remote laptop
[03:47] <kiyoura> Catta, i hope there is a better known solution now, but about 3 years ago i had to take apart my dell latitude c610 and manually 'cut' the line to the nub mouse for it to work in linux
[03:47] <Catta> I might try that in the future.
[03:48] <gravity__> micro sd card does not mount on ubunut. It does not even show up on camera. It shows up on fedora but I cannot access files. help
[03:48] <Erin> Catta, after 12 years you are not thinking about upgrading that laptop ?
[03:48] <spiouki1> sorry i got some connection problems did anybody answered my question?
[03:49] <spiouki1> about compiling a package?
[03:49] <lidar> wb me
[03:49] <Erin> systm, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and include the universe lines, you can find them on google
[03:49] <Erin> systm, then do sudo apt-get update
[03:49] <spiouki1> wb
[03:49] <systm> thanks Erin
[03:49] <gravity__> erin: micro sd card does not mount on ubunut. It does not even show up on camera. It shows up on fedora but I cannot access files. help
[03:49] <Catta> I have a dell studio, but my daughter's netbook that I put ubuntu on for her has a broken charger and I am trying to fix this one so that she can do her homework until I can fix the netbook or one of the other paper weights around here
[03:50] <lidar> ty spiouki1
[03:50] <gravity__> Erin:micro sd card does not mount on ubunut. It does not even show up on camera. It shows up on fedora but I cannot access files. help
[03:50] <spiouki1> I need to compile a bz2 package but I cant configure it
[03:50] <Crowler> gravity__ trash it
[03:50] <spiouki1> there is no conf file in that folder
[03:50] <gravity__> Crowler need the files on it
[03:50] <spiouki1> please help
[03:50] <gravity__> ready to trash it
[03:50] <lidar> spiouki1: what program is it ?
[03:50] <Catta> I got her netbook with ubuntu Erin , specifically because I wanted her to learn it! but I had never had experience before then
[03:51] <Crowler> gravity__ im not doing data recovery
[03:51] <spiouki1> wine bottle management
[03:51] <spiouki1> its for uninstalling programs from wine
[03:51] <Erin> gravity__, pastebin for me sudo fdisk -l
[03:51] <gravity__> Crowler: Thanks. do you konw any resources which can help?
[03:51] <Erin> gravity__, with the card inserted
[03:51] <spiouki1> I got it from source forge
[03:51] <gravity__> Erin: on it
[03:51] <gravity__> yes
[03:52] <Crowler> gravity__ i know some, but they are not in english
[03:52] <Erin> Catta, just saying a 12 year old computer is really really outdated.
[03:52] <spiouki1> and if you used it before I will be happy to give me your comment
[03:52] <Catta> Erin: I accidentally closed the HD check when I closed the command prompt :(
[03:52] <Anom01y> man I cannot do updates all of a sudden in Xubuntu 12.04, I get this error:
[03:52] <Anom01y> http://www.naturalnews.com/037024_sodium_fluoride_insecticide_proof.html
[03:52] <Anom01y> er
[03:52] <FloodBot1> Anom01y: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:52] <Anom01y> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[03:52] <Anom01y> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_earth_deb_dists_stable_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fCA
[03:53] <lidar> spiouki1: you dont "need" that
[03:53] <Erin> Anom01y, I hate when my computer gets insecticides in it.
[03:53] <Anom01y> (sorry didn't mean to paste the link
[03:53] <Catta> At least the 12.04 is almost finished dling
[03:53] <gravity__> Erin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1179047/
[03:53] <spiouki1> so how can i uninstall wine applications?
[03:53] <Anom01y> gnome-terminal doesn't accept ctrl-C for copy
[03:53] <Anom01y> only right click -> copy
[03:53] <gravity__> Crowler: I will try google translate. can you point me to them?
[03:53] <Erin> Anom01y, sudo apt-get -f install
[03:53] <Anom01y> Erin, thanks
[03:53] <lidar> spiouki1: rm -rf ~/.wine will remove all bits of it .. menu items may remain
[03:54] <Crowler> gravity__ hdd911.com
[03:54] <Anom01y> Erin, I get the same error
[03:54] <spiouki1> never used that command
[03:54] <xangua> Anom01y: control-shift+c , control+shift+v
[03:54] <lidar> spiouki1: it is delete
[03:54] <Erin> Anom01y, k hold on
[03:54] <gravity__> Crowler: Domain expired
[03:54] <Erin> gravity__, does not look like the card is showing up the OS
[03:55] <lidar> spiouki1: the directory ~/.wine is where allo files settings go
[03:55] <Anom01y> Erin, http://pastebin.ca/index.php
[03:55] <Anom01y> ^
[03:55] <spiouki1> lidar: can you give me the command for uninstalling software X from wine
[03:55] <gravity__> Erin: let me try a different card reader
[03:55] <ActionParsnip> lidar: why use force?
[03:55] <Crowler> gravity__ then i knew some, but not now
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: run:  uninstaller
[03:56] <lidar> ActionParsnip: im a violent person
[03:56] <Anom01y> xangua, thanks
[03:56] <ActionParsnip> lidar: its a bad habit
[03:56] <Catta> Erin: also, I bought a hp pavillion ze2000, and the power plug into it doesn't work.. then I bought a toshiba satellite, and it stopped working for who knows what reason, it wont even make a blip... and then the dell mini netbook and my studio.. so I have bought other laptops in 12 years, but the old inspiron is the only one i can get to work beside the one i am using right now!
[03:56] <hqm> hello!~
[03:57] <Erin> Anom01y, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:57] <spiouki1> did nt work action please give me the complete command I dont know terminals lang
[03:58] <Erin> Anom01y, did that work, if not remove any google repositories as it seems to be mad at something google related
[03:58] <lidar> spiouki1: run wine ~/.wine/drive_c/program files/x/uninstaller.exe is the polite way from ActionParsnip
[03:58] <Anom01y> Erin, it didn't work,
[03:58] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: thats all it is:  uninstaller
[03:58] <Anom01y> Erin, are you talking about /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:58] <Erin> Anom01y, indeed
[03:59] <Erin> Anom01y, then run sudo apt-get update
[03:59] <Anom01y> Erin, thats  just it, there is no "google" in sources.list
[04:00] <joobie> guys im using this OS called XBMCbuntu, which is a port of Ubuntu
[04:00] <Erin> Anom01y, remove anything that isn't *.ubuntu.com*
[04:01] <lidar> joobie: a port to what ?
[04:01] <joobie> the installer doesnt have any options to setup RAID5 software.. is there a work around anyone can think of to get it to install with softwqre raid?
[04:01] <Anom01y> ok
[04:01] <joobie> lidar, it's based on ubuntu 11, but they have embedded XBMC onto it
[04:01] <foul_owl> Ok, I solved the issue. The issue was that my elf binary was compiled for a 32 bit system, it didn't have the 32 bit version of libstdc++5. Thanks for the help!
[04:01] <Catta>  I booted up lubuntu 12.4 and selected check disk for errors, is that correct?
[04:01] <Anom01y> trying to submit a post to pastebin but its lagging like hell Erin
[04:02] <spiouki1> lidar: uninstaller does not exist for that package
[04:02] <Anom01y> Erin, http://pastebin.com/ethQM3JP
[04:03] <Anom01y> I don't see anything relevent to the issue in my sources.list ^ check my pastebin
[04:03] <WeThePeople> joobie, do you have a question?
[04:04] <Anom01y> this is the error, Reading package lists... Error!
[04:04] <Anom01y> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[04:04] <Anom01y> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_earth_deb_dists_stable_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fCA
[04:04] <spiouki1> ActionParsnip: uninstaller does not exist for that package
[04:05] <Erin> Anom01y, can you pastebin your exact error.
[04:05] <Erin> k nm
[04:05] <Erin> Anom01y, some probem with google earth it looks like
[04:05] <WeThePeople> spioukil, are you trying to remove a package
[04:05] <Crowler> Anom01y so what? trash that broken aptlist and re-dl it
[04:06] <Anom01y> Erin, http://pastebin.com/8QnM168S
[04:06] <joobie> WeThePeople, is there a way to get a port of ubuntu 11 which does not have raid support in the installer to install with software RAID or convert it easily after?
[04:06] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: or jus the uninstaller app for the applcation you want to uninstall, just like in windows
[04:07] <Erin> Anom01y, yea just delete that file
[04:07] <Anom01y> Crowler, I would but not sure what to remove everything looks important
[04:07] <Anom01y> delete sources.list ??!
[04:07] <Erin> Anom01y, back it up first.
[04:07] <spiouki1> I m doing the same its fun. Thanks ActionParsnip and lidar
[04:07] <ActionParsnip> Anom01y: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/fixpackage
[04:07] <lidar> joobie: that xbmc installs on any linux .. just install ubuntu then install it
[04:07] <Erin> Anom01y, no. /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_earth_blah_blah
[04:07] <Crowler> Anom01y you must be blind:  /var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_earth_deb_dists_stable_main_i18n_Translation-en%5fCA
[04:08] <WeThePeople> spioukil, http://askubuntu.com/questions/101064/uninstall-a-program-installed-with-wine
[04:08] <Erin> ActionParsnip, I'm gonna snag that also :-D
[04:09] <Anom01y> ok thanks guys
[04:10] <Anom01y> I deleted /var/lib/apt/dl.google*.*
[04:10] <Anom01y> fixed my problems
[04:10] <Catta> What age is old enough to start with ubuntu?
[04:10] <Anom01y> usually dpkg --configure -a  or   sudo apt-get -f install fixes all my issues
[04:10] <Anom01y> not sure how that happened
[04:10] <joobie> lidar, i want to try stick with xbmcbuntu's port tho
[04:10] <joobie> it's just they have used the live cd i think so there's no raid option
[04:10] <Crowler> Catta age of consent
[04:11] <Catta> Crowler:  conset to what haha
[04:11] <Crowler> Catta to start with ofc
[04:12] <lidar> Catta: your probably old enough since you made it on irc
[04:12] <ActionParsnip> Erin: its just the commands from the synaptic fix page page, in a script
[04:12] <joobie> is there a way to make the liveCD see my preexisting software raid partitoins? if i create them first
[04:12] <jeffrey1790> question with mdadm: i replaced a faulty drive in my raid6 array. when adding it back, it shows up as sdg instead of sdg1... does it matter?
[04:12] <Erin> ActionParsnip, Yea I just have a linux fixes folder that I like to have alot of info in for potential issues and that looks pretty thorough for fixing apt :-)
[04:13] <jeffrey1790> md0 : active raid6 sdh[7] sdf1[0] sde1[5] sdd1[4] sdc1[3] sdb1[2] sdg[6]
[04:15] <WeThePeople> joobie, i do not understand the question
[04:15] <ActionParsnip> Erin: want my getkey script?
[04:15] <Erin> ActionParsnip, what key now?
[04:15] <joobie> WeThePeople, nevermind
[04:16] <ActionParsnip> Erin:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1179062/     useful for when you add PPAs and you don't get the GPG key, just give the script the GPG code and it wil import it for you
[04:16] <spiouki1> lidar: still there?
[04:16] <Erin> ActionParsnip, i've only ever used one ppa
[04:17] <sxh_> hello
[04:17] <Erin> ActionParsnip, don't they always give you the gpg key w/ the ppa info isn't it rquired?
[04:17] <sxh_> would i be able to ask for help on this channel?
[04:17] <sxh_> or is there a specific ubuntu help channel
[04:17] <Erin> sxh_, you're in it
[04:17] <ActionParsnip> Erin: if you don't use add-apt-repository  then it won't import
[04:18] <spiouki1> just for learning purpose i want to know how to install a package without conf file
[04:18] <sxh_> oo okay great
[04:18] <spiouki1> anybody ? lidar or ActionParsnip
[04:18] <doslove> hi guys
[04:18] <sxh_> not asking anyone particular but, I tried to partition my hard drive to dual boot ubuntu and windows7
[04:18] <sxh_> and semi failed
[04:18] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: how do you mean 'conf file?
[04:18] <sxh_> if someone can help me out that would be great
[04:18] <Erin> sxh_, did you install ubuntu first then windows 7 ?
[04:19] <sxh_> Erin, I already had windows 7, and then installed ubuntu via cd
[04:19] <sxh_> I semi failed in that luckily i didnt delete the windows partition
[04:19] <sxh_> but i cant access
[04:19] <sxh_> even if i use f12 at boot
[04:19] <spiouki1> I extracted the tar.bz2 file but I cant use the configure command on that directory it does not work
[04:20] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: not all apps need to have configure ran. Did you check the INSTAL or README files?
[04:20] <sxh_> if theres a way i can show my gparted screen im sure itll help
[04:20] <WeThePeople> spioukil, did you type ./configure
[04:20] <joobie> is there a way to see pre-existing software RAID partitions from the Ubuntu Live CD installer?
[04:20] <AnDsO> check README or INSTALL file
[04:20] <Cong> or tried updating the configure script
[04:20] <jeang> joobie - not really, the software configs will be inaccessable
[04:21] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: what are you trying to install?
[04:21] <spiouki1> yep
[04:21] <joobie> jeang, i cant somehow install mdadm and then run the installer?
[04:21] <user> hello everybody !!
[04:21] <lidar> spiouki1: yes sort of
[04:22] <sxh_> Erin, if I can still see my installed files, documents, etc that means I didn't delete it right?
[04:22] <spiouki1> no instal file or readme
[04:22] <jeang> joobie unless you have the configs for the RAID backed up, mdadm will try create a new raid structure and hose the partitions etc
[04:22] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: what are you trying to install?
[04:22] <Erin> sxh_, right
[04:23] <spiouki1>                   Wine bottle management     beta
[04:23] <spiouki1> no going to install it I just want to know how to do it
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: is it not in the wine ppa?
[04:23] <Crowler> joobie is your raid bios made or linux made?
[04:23] <lidar> spiouki1: cd into the directory .. ~/.wine/drivec/programfiles/ then rm -rf offensive-program directory
[04:23] <joobie> Crowler, linux
[04:24] <sxh_> Erin, so basically my windows 7 is under /dev/sda3 while ubuntu is under /dev/sda1 however my windows doesnt have a mount point
[04:24] <sxh_> I feel like i simply need to add that
[04:24] <Crowler> joobie you can hook it up later after install
[04:24] <joobie> jeang, cant i like boot the live cd to the shell, install mdadm, configure mdadm partitons, then run the installer and dont specify partition reforatming?
[04:24] <Erin> sxh_, so whats the issue you can't boot in to windows?
[04:25] <joobie> Crowler, possible to do it during installation tho?
[04:25] <joobie> i can do the after install option.
[04:25] <joobie> but want to try during
[04:25] <Crowler> Erin he cant boot linux
[04:25] <sxh_> Erin, by default I set it up to boot to ubuntu, however when I press f12 to access the other partition it doesnt exist, which I feel like is due to there being no mount point for it
[04:25] <Erin> sxh_, i'd try to reinstall grub?
[04:25] <spiouki1> cool thanks lidar and action. and i dont know what is ppa action
[04:25] <sxh_> Erin, is there a simpler way in which I can just add the mount point to the windows partition?
[04:25] <Erin> sxh_, wait wait so you can boot ubuntu/windows i'm getting confused
[04:25] <jeang> joobie do you have the configs for how the partitions were created?
[04:26] <sxh_> Erin, sorry!
[04:26] <spiouki1> it does not seem lake wine application
[04:26] <Crowler> joobie i dont know if mdadm and other tools are part od ubuntu's stage2
[04:26] <sxh_> Erin, I can only boot ubuntu, windows still exists but isnt showing up when i boot
[04:26] <Crowler> of*
[04:26] <user> anybody can help me ?
[04:26] <spiouki1> it was tar.bz2 no exe
[04:26] <ActionParsnip> user: without asking a question..no
[04:26] <histo> !ask | user
[04:26] <joobie> jeang, i havent created the partitions yet
[04:26] <WeThePeople> user, just ask
[04:27] <ActionParsnip> spiouki1: i found this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/wibom-manage-wine-program-bottles.html
[04:27] <Erin> sxh_, so just do a sudo update-grub
[04:27] <Erin> sxh_, and reboot.
[04:27] <joobie> jeang, i am thinking is it possible to boot to CLI from the live cd, install mdadm, create my partitions, then run the installerand have the installer just see them, not format them
[04:27] <jeang> joobie - ok sorry, thought you had lost a raid array and were trying to get the data back.
[04:27] <sxh_> Erin, lol I wish I knew what that meant (I'm noob)
[04:27] <user> that's okay
[04:27] <joobie> jeang, nope
[04:27] <spiouki1> Thanks ActionParsnip
[04:27] <Erin> sxh_, it just tells grub to scan for operating systems and add to the list.
[04:27] <joobie> OK how about this
[04:28] <sxh_> Erin, oh type that into terminal?
[04:28] <jeang> joobie - actually no idea... sees some trial and error in my future ;-)
[04:28] <joobie> from the LiveCD, can i boot to shell and then run the installer myself? If so, how?
[04:28] <WeThePeople> sxh_, G.R.U.B = Grand Unified Bootloader
[04:28] <user> well my question is about "ubuntu tweak "  i can't see "gnome sittings" ?
[04:28] <sxh_> WeThePeople that sounds pretty cool actually
[04:28] <jeang> joobie you will have to create some form of persistent partition on USB
[04:29] <ActionParsnip> user: I sugest you contact the developer
[04:29] <user> how i can connect with them ?
[04:29] <sxh_> Erin, ok did the sudoupdate-grub, and it seemed to find it I think I'm going to restart to check. Thanks a lot!
[04:29] <Erin> sxh_, no type it in the air, LOL JK :-)
[04:29] <user> i just want to change that ubuntu icon not more
[04:29] <Crowler> joobie you better ask "what to press to get to console"
[04:29] <WeThePeople> sxh_, lol GR.U.B
[04:30] <ActionParsnip> user: check the PPA maintainers list
[04:30] <Crowler> joobie (at install time
[04:31] <user> that's ok but i dont think it's a big deal to do all that just for change ubuntu main menu icon ! dont you agree ?
[04:31] <user> i am pretty sure there's one other way at least to change it
[04:32] <jeang> joobie - also see if mdadm is part of the server (alternate) live cd
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> user: https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix
[04:32] <joobie> jeang, it is apart of the alternate live cd
[04:32] <joobie> but im using a port of ubuntu known as XBMCbuntu
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> user: I'd say it was fairly trivial
[04:32] <zukirep> Erin, had my name changed but unfortunately the sudogrub-update didnt work :(
[04:32] <Crowler> joobie if there is a way to run console at install time, run it, type in mdadm, and if you get back "not found" - forget your idea
[04:32] <joobie> they have built that image on ubuntu live cd
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> joobie: xbmcubuntu isn't supported here
[04:33] <kieppie> hi guys. can I hotswap/hotplug a SATA drive?
[04:33] <joobie> it's more a generic ubuntu question
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> joobie: none of the 'ubuntu based' distributions are supported here
[04:33] <Erin> zukirep, you sure it doesn't show up in the list?
[04:33] <vibhav> joobie: We dont support un-official derivatives of ubuntu
[04:34] <joobie> Crowler, any idea what that installer is called to run it if i do get into console?
[04:34] <kieppie> I have ejectable mounts connected to internal SATA busses, but need to know if I need to power down first?
[04:34] <zukirep> Erin, yep besides a cd option there is only one harddrive option
[04:34] <ActionParsnip> kieppie: i'd check your manual
[04:34] <kieppie> or can I just load without risking my busses??
[04:34] <joobie> this Q is more drawing from general ubuntu knowledge
[04:34] <kieppie> :/
[04:34] <Erin> zukirep, I am talking about the grub list.
[04:34] <zukirep> Erin, I feel like I know the answer though if I can only figure out how to do it....
[04:34] <zukirep> Erin, oo
[04:34] <Erin> zukirep, it will show up in the grub list.
[04:34] <joobie> like for example, how can you boot the Ubuntu Live CD to shell and then spawn the installer manually from the CLI
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> kieppie: be sure you unmount and eject the partitions on the drive before you eject the drive in ubuntu. Then you can physically eject the device
[04:35] <zukirep> Erin, sorry but how do I find the grub list?
[04:35] <Erin> zukirep, I think you hold down shift when it starts?
[04:35] <jeang> joobie - apt-get install mdadm?
[04:35] <zukirep> Erin, oo okay I'll try that!
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> joobie: the installer is called ubiquity
[04:35] <Crowler> joobie i dont have any ubuntu distros on hands atm, so im of no help
[04:35] <joobie> jeang, that will instal mdadm.. but how do you get to console from the livecd?
[04:36] <ActionParsnip> joobie: press CTRL+ALT+F1
[04:36] <joobie> ahh k
[04:36] <joobie> I tried that before ActionParsnip, but it gave me another workspace
[04:36] <joobie> not the CLI
[04:37] <user> i dont think it's fairly trivial as you said cos sometimes it works but not all the time , i mean ubuntu icon maybe you like it and it's fine for you but for other people they feel curious to change it
[04:37] <joobie> ActionParsnip, is there a way to spawn ubiquity from the cli?
[04:37] <jeang> joobie ctrl.alt.F2
[04:37] <user> and same for me i am just new and feel curious to see and make other things so i never stop searching  but i fed up that's it ! that's why i asked this question here
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> joobie: no idea, why not just install xubuntu or Ubuntu proper, then install xbmc and get full support here rather than some crappy spinoff?
[04:38] <ActionParsnip> joobie: which has no support here
[04:39] <ActionParsnip> joobie: xbmc is in the official repos you know
[04:39] <joobie> ActionParsnip, im presuming that specific build of xbmcbuntu has some specific xbmc code / versioning in the packages
[04:40] <h00k> /2
[04:40] <joobie> like given that it's a specific port of Ubuntu for XBMC
[04:40] <lidar> http://imgur.com/Ckt45 my cool desktop
[04:41] <xangua> !ot | lidar
[04:41] <matt_> help
[04:41] <ActionParsnip> joobie: its not suported here, thats a massive point. your support community will be a lot smaller
[04:41] <user> oh amazing desktop
[04:41] <matt_> lol
[04:41] <user> how did you mange icon ?
[04:41] <Guest78983> yolo
[04:41] <user> i think they are small a little bit
[04:41] <lidar> !ot > xangua
[04:41] <Guest78983> i am an ubuntu noob lol
[04:42] <Crowler> joobie i have a feeling, that if you would spend all the time you wasted here, reading boot menu of your live cd, you'd find the answer already
[04:42] <WeThePeople> lidar, dude you need a dock :)
[04:42] <joobie> ActionParsnip, i hear ya.. but once it's installed with RAID, it'll pretty much be Ubuntu
[04:42] <joobie> just with slightly diff packages
[04:42] <Calinou> lidar, lmao :)
[04:43] <joobie> Crowler, been rebooting and mofiying the boot options a few times, but so far no good
[04:43] <lidar> WeThePeople: ill try to find one
[04:43] <Crowler> joobie i said boot menu, not options
[04:44] <WeThePeople> lidar, may i recommend GLX-Dock "cairo"
[04:44] <WeThePeople> software center
[04:44] <lidar> WeThePeople: watch it xangua is gonna be telling you to stay on topic soon !
[04:44] <ActionParsnip> joobie: doesn't matter what it pretty much is, it's not ubuntu. Ubuntu is based on debian but if you ask for ubuntu support in #debian you will be pointed here
[04:45] <WeThePeople> xangua, srry
[04:45] <WeThePeople> lidar, lol
[04:45] <Crowler> joobie also, console may be hidden somewhere in advanced options of installer. check them out too
[04:45] <joobie> ok i got it to the cli
[04:45] <joobie> just put 3 at the end of boot options
[04:45] <lidar> WeThePeople: software center wont work ..that screen shot i posted is my windows
[04:45] <joobie> but tried init 5 and it doesnt go to xorg
[04:45] <joobie> nor obquity
[04:46] <zukirep> hey Erin, trying to edit the grub file (Grub_hidden_timeout to 1 instead of 0) to give myself more time to press the shift key but i cant save changes
[04:46] <Erin> zukirep, use sudo
[04:46] <ActionParsnip> zukirep: run:  gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub    and you will
[04:46] <zukirep> ah I see
[04:46] <WeThePeople> lidar, oh your good
[04:46] <Erin> zukirep, learn to use nano it's awesome!
[04:46] <zukirep> Erin saw nano in some guide but wasnt sure what that was
[04:47] <Erin> zukirep, sudo nano /etc/default/grub   make the changes and hit ctrl+x to save.
[04:47] <Erin> zukirep, command line txt editor.
[04:47] <ActionParsnip> ctrl+o to save :)
[04:47] <Erin> its x..
[04:47] <ActionParsnip> Erin: ctrl+x is exit
[04:48] <Erin> ActionParsnip, ahh, but it does ask you to save :-)
[04:48] <zukirep> umm tried ctrl+o
[04:48] <ActionParsnip> Erin: yes, but if you want to just save, its +o
[04:48] <zukirep> oo ok ill just ctrl x to exit and save
[04:48] <spooky> kewl, dumped windows 4 linux - don't look back :-)
[04:48] <Erin> ActionParsnip, true
[04:48] <ActionParsnip> Erin: you can hit CTRL+o then CTRL+x and it saves then exist
[04:48] <ActionParsnip> exits
[04:48] <Erin> ActionParsnip, thats 2x the work though.
[04:48] <zukirep> cool though
[04:48] <ActionParsnip> Erin: true
[04:49] <Erin> zukirep, ctrl+w and you can search for stuff.
[04:49] <Erin> nano is t3h pwnz0r :-)
[04:49] <zukirep> Erin, so is nano used to open those files in the terminal screen?
[04:49] <Erin> zukirep, indeed.
[04:49] <Erin> open+edit
[04:49] <zukirep> oo kk
[04:49] <ActionParsnip> although running it with sudo makes the nano_history file be owned by root (annoying)
[04:49] <Erin> ActionParsnip, but you have to run it as root to edit most system stuff right?
[04:50] <ActionParsnip> Erin: yes, its an annoying bug
[04:50] <Erin> ActionParsnip, what is nano history anyway? I never use it I think..
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> Erin: its the history of files nano has opened:  $HOME/.nano_history   running it with sudo will make the file be owned by root
[04:51] <ActionParsnip> Erin: so when you run it you will get a warning that the file cannot be updated
[04:52] <user> is there anybody here would like to help me ?
[04:53] <WeThePeople> user, just ask
[04:53] <Erin> ActionParsnip, yea I always get that warning, just ignore it :-)
[04:54] <user> i dont know what's going on with this version : 12.04 : << ehh it seems i am done
[04:54] <WeThePeople> user, ask your question
[04:55] <user> i have too many issues , i installed dockbarx and i doesnt work too , i installed ubuntu tweak but i can not see gnome sitting dont tell me search cos if you said that i will break this screen
[04:55] <zukirep> Erin, to update on my quest to find windows, I pressed shift and saw lots of options and didnt know what to do
[04:56] <Erin> zukirep, well did one say windows 7 ?
[04:56] <zukirep> Erin, nope but there was like grub update, and various other options
[04:56] <WeThePeople> user, where did you get dockbarx
[04:56] <zukirep> nothing about windows 7
[04:57] <Erin> zukirep, on the list with like linux 2.6.0 or whatever it doesn't say windows at all? even after sudo update-grub
[04:57] <Erin> if so im not sure what else you can do..
[04:57] <user> from that site gnome.look.org
[04:57] <Gyro54> How can I continue with an upgrade to 12.04 from the shell after it was stopped with ctrl/c?
[04:57] <Erin> zukirep, you are going to need to manually add it then.
[04:57] <zukirep> Erin, ah okay... ill figure it out at somepoint
[04:57] <Erin> zukirep, sry not sure what else to tell you.
[04:57] <user> i installed it in version 10.04 it works + its great there
[04:58] <WeThePeople> user, if you are new to linux i would recommend you get all software from the software center
[04:58] <zukirep> Erin, thats okay I learned a lot of useful things anyway
[04:58] <BentFranklin> How do I find the anme of my sound card's driver?
[04:58] <Gyro54> It was at the remove old programs stage
[04:58] <user> well that's okay but i can't find what i want in software center not all the time !
[04:58] <Erin> Ben64, can try lsmod | grep snd
[04:59] <Gyro54> After a 5 hour upgrade
[05:00] <Crowler> you must be on dialup...
[05:00] <Erin> Dial-up still exists lol?
[05:00] <Crowler> why not?
[05:00] <WeThePeople> its free
[05:00] <Erin> Crowler, was making a joke. sorry it wasn't funny :-)
[05:01] <user> so i dont think there's answer for my question
[05:01] <BentFranklin> Erin: Could it be snd-pcm?
[05:01] <user> that's why people call ubuntu truck then
[05:01] <Erin> BentFranklin, what kind of snd card ?
[05:01] <WeThePeople> user, are you trying to install a theme
[05:01] <lidar> its been so many years since i configured ppp i wouldnt be able to get online
[05:01] <BentFranklin> Erin: Don't know.  I guess that's the problem.
[05:01] <Erin> BentFranklin, pastebin lspci -vv
[05:02] <Crowler> Erin think i got offended?
[05:02] <Adie> guys
[05:02] <Adie> I have a broblem
[05:02] <lidar> !ask
[05:02] <Gyro54> Where can I go to fix this problem. I think I have killed it!
[05:02] <user> it's not a theme they are just small tools < dockbarx applet for making taskbar like win 7 i have tried everything
[05:02] <WeThePeople> adie, whats your broblem
[05:02] <Erin> Crowler, well honestly I wouldn't care if you did
[05:02] <Adie> when I click my right side mouse bottons, the mouse freezes till I replug it in
[05:02] <Crowler> BentFranklin snd-pcm is not your casd driver
[05:02] <Adie> on my steel series sensai
[05:02] <user> it's so stupid to spend weeks and days just for small tool !
[05:02] <Adie> it's weird.
[05:02] <Catta> and that's what she said
[05:02] <crimsonmane> steel series is garbage.
[05:03] <WeThePeople> user, you on 12.04
[05:03] <user> yes i am
[05:03] <Adie> crimsonmane, no it's not -.-
[05:03] <Crowler> BentFranklin card driver name most of time is same as name of card's chipset
[05:03] <crimsonmane> it most certainly is. cheap plastic, cheap buttons
[05:03] <WeThePeople> user, name one thing you would like to take care of
[05:03] <Adie> crimsonmane, fine plastic, same buttons as everyone else
[05:03] <Gyro54> It is at the command prompt and I don't want to touch it in case I break it completely.
[05:04] <user> dockbarx applet in the panel <<
[05:04] <Gyro54> Can I just reboot?
[05:04] <BentFranklin> Erin: Crowler: I found it, snd-intel-8x0 probably on board sound
[05:04] <crimsonmane> Adie: i've used them. they're entirely too bulky yet lightweight.
[05:04] <Crowler> BentFranklin or, ac97/hdaudio, in case of built-in sound
[05:04] <crimsonmane> Adie: what's i'm saying is, get a different mouse and see if you have the same problem
[05:04] <Erin> BentFranklin, if you pastebin lspci I can figure it out
[05:04] <Adie> maybe what you used was a bad model, but I have a good mouse ^_^
[05:04] <Erin> BentFranklin, is your sound not working or something
[05:04] <Adie> I don't have any other mice
[05:04] <user> how can i install it is there any official way for it
[05:04] <Adie> like I said, it's only the two right side buttons
[05:05] <Adie> dunno why that would make my mouse lock
[05:05] <WeThePeople> user, user, how did you install
[05:05] <crimsonmane> Adie: if you don't have another mouse to try, then your problem cannot be properly diagnosed
[05:05] <BentFranklin> Erin: Thanks I'll take it from here.  Maybe back later w/paste then.
[05:05] <Guest76897> how to configure the epson Epson AcuLaser CX17NF in ubuntu 12
[05:05] <Gyro54> Can you restart the upgrade process after Ctrl/c during the upgrade?
[05:06] <Erin> BentFranklin, k good luck
[05:06] <Adie> crimsonmane, even if I did have "another mouse" they wouldn't have these buttons ^_^
[05:06] <BentFranklin> Erin: I'm on a server version so no gui browser.
[05:06] <ActionParsnip> Guest76897: did you check the open printing foundation
[05:06] <user> i followed steps on gnome.look.org
[05:06] <user> in found it there
[05:06] <user> from terminal
[05:06] <Crowler> Gyro54 if you interrupted handful of nested scripts, then, most like, you fucked up
[05:06] <Erin> BentFranklin, you can install pastebinit. sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo pastebinit lspci
[05:07] <Crowler> ly
[05:07] <crimsonmane> Adie: not the point. if you cannot verify that the problem persists beyond your one device, then you cannot proceed faithfully with any other solution.
[05:07] <WeThePeople> user, what commands have you used to find it?
[05:07] <Erin> BentFranklin, hrm maybe not that doesn't seem to work on lspci.
[05:07] <crimsonmane> Adie: you simply must be able to confirm if the one mouse is bad or not. that is how diagnostics is done.
[05:07] <Gyro54> Crowler: It was at the remove unused programs and was cleaning up
[05:07] <Adie> :(
[05:08] <crimsonmane> Adie: or type your problem into google and see if anyone else experienced the same.
[05:08] <Adie> yes
[05:08] <Adie> they have
[05:08] <Gyro54> crowler: Any ideas to not kill it any more. What is the best way to go from here?
[05:08] <Guest76897> ActionParsnip @yes
[05:08] <user> i used first : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8
[05:08] <user> sudo apt-get update
[05:08] <user> sudo apt-get install dockbarx dockbarx-themes-extra
[05:08] <Adie> this mouse + linux = the two side buttons locking the mouse
[05:08] <Adie> but no solutions posted
[05:08] <Adie> well, none that I can do
[05:09] <Adie> one involves re-programming the mouse via windows
[05:09] <Adie> I dunno if there is a way to get into what the linux is receiving from the mouse, and change how it acts? idk :(
[05:09] <Adie> you guys are smarter than me
[05:09] <crimsonmane> Adie: and the other involves taking the mouse apart and removing the two buttons.
[05:09] <Crowler> Gyro54 from my experience, you will spend some days, learning how many stages script has, and what each stage was doing, and how exactly
[05:09] <Guest76897> may u plz tell   me how configure the Epson AcuLaser CX17NF in unbunt 12.0
[05:09] <Adie> crimsonmane -.-
[05:09] <Adie> that's silly.
[05:10] <crimsonmane> is it?
[05:10] <crimsonmane> you can't use them anyway
[05:10] <Adie> it would be NICE to use them ^_^
[05:10] <Adie> maybe switch between workstations
[05:10] <WeThePeople> user, do these $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dockbar-main/ppa and seperate of course sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dockbarx
[05:11] <WeThePeople> user, one at a time
[05:11] <greenit> hi, how can i find out which graphics driver is loaded?
[05:11] <Gyro54> Crowler: it is currently at ~/zdesktop$
[05:11] <Crowler> Gyro54 and you will come to realisation, that clean install is faster
[05:11] <Crowler> z
[05:11] <Guest76897> can some one help me how to configure  Epson AcuLaser CX17NF lazer jet printer in ubunt 12.0
[05:11] <user> ok let me try
[05:12] <Gyro54> Crowler: or no upgrade at all!
[05:12] <lidar> greenit: lsmod
[05:12] <WeThePeople> greenit, sudo lshw -C display | grep driver
[05:12] <Crowler> Gyro54 just back up user data and roll uot fresh install
[05:13] <Crowler> out
[05:13] <Crowler> Gyro54 if you have home on separate partition, just dont format it
[05:14] <user> can you send them in txt file cos i am confused here
[05:14] <WeThePeople> user, do this first>>>   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dockbar-main/ppa
[05:14] <Catta> How do I know when 12.04 lubuntu is finished installing?
[05:15] <crimsonmane> Catta: the installer disappears and tells you to reboot
[05:15] <Gyro54> Crowler: it may be OK to just reboot but I am not sure if there is a better way.
[05:15] <Catta> thank you crimsonmane
[05:15] <WeThePeople> user, 2nd do this>>>  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dockbarx
[05:15] <Guest41047> can some plz tell how to configure Epson AcuLaser CX17NF in ubuntu 12.04
[05:16] <user> wait
[05:16] <WeThePeople> user, read the terminal very carefully
[05:16] <WeThePeople> user, you might need to press 'y' for yes to install
[05:17] <Crowler> Gyro54 depends on your luck. if it updated all system libs and kernel and bootloader you may at least see console
[05:17] <WeThePeople> user, if you see that
[05:17] <Gyro54> Thanks
[05:17] <user> yes yes i didnt write the codes yet
[05:17] <user> you know how stupid i am ?
[05:17] <user> lol
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: did you check the site
[05:17] <Crowler> Gyro54 anyway, having livecd on hands helps alot
[05:18] <Guest41047> yes
[05:18] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: did it say that it works?
[05:19] <user> command not found
[05:19] <Guest41047> ActionParsnip@ their is no driver of this model
[05:19] <user> it says command not found ?
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: oh boy
[05:19] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: let me search
[05:19] <WeThePeople> user, use paste.ubuntu.com for terminal output
[05:21] <Catta> if lubuntu got stuck reporting an error in apport during my install, should I wait more than 30 minutes for it to sort itself out, or try to reinstall?
[05:24] <user> my gosh
[05:24] <bkerensa> Catta: if it has stalled and you cannot detect progress then attempt a re-install perhaps
[05:24] <user> installing...
[05:24] <bkerensa> Catta: might also ask in #lubuntu
[05:24] <Erin> Catta, its starting to seem like something is wrong with that laptop
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: nothing on turboprint or avasys
[05:25] <Gyro54> Crowler: Booted OK. That was a stressful. Thanks for your support
[05:26] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: i don't think it's going to fly. You could contact epson to see if its similar to another printer which has drivers and use taht
[05:26] <Crowler> Catta how much ram is installed in your lap?
[05:26] <crimsonmane> eight inches?
[05:26] <crimsonmane> (you set that one up)
[05:26] <Crowler> Gyro54 only psychological
[05:27] <Catta> Crowler: i dont recall, but i know it had some added once :/ I ran the memory test and the disk test before i installed
[05:28] <Guest41047> ActionParsnip@is their any ways that i can install this (Epson AcuLaser CX17NF)printer
[05:28] <Crowler> Catta you should be able to see amount of installed ram at boot time, before livecd boots
[05:28] <Guddu> Can we use Yum on Ubuntu? Or only apt-get?
[05:28] <Catta> Crowler: i will check
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: I suggest you contact epson
[05:29] <Guest41047> ActionParsnip@Epson Say that this printer does support linux os
[05:29] <WeThePeople> gudda, i think only apt-get or maybr aptitude
[05:29] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: then ask them where the support is
[05:29] <Crowler> Catta press "break" if is disappears too fast
[05:30] <Erin> Catta, or type cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[05:30] <Guest41047> ActionParsnip@Epson  said that this printer in not recommend for linux
[05:30] <Crowler> Erin he still cant boot linux
[05:31] <Erin> I know, he has access to live though.
[05:31] <Crowler> Erin so no cat and no grep
[05:31] <Catta> I am attempting a reboot, since it let me try, but it never showed that it finished installing, it just hung on the apport
[05:31] <Guddu> Guest41047 What is your printer model again?
[05:31] <Erin> how much ram does ubuntu require now a days for lubuntu?
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> howto fix a corrupt square mouse pointer every cold boot?
[05:32] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: sounds like you'll need windows to use it then
[05:32] <Guest41047> Epson AcuLaser CX17NF laser jet
[05:32] <Crowler> Erin lol. i thought you know it
[05:32] <lidar> lotuspsychje: dont use x
[05:32] <xangua> !requirements | Erin
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> Erin:check lubuntu site
[05:32] <Erin> Crowler, nope I don't use lbuntu
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> lidar:lol
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> lidar: maybe u wanna try teamviewer on another day to fix that?
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: you could try the generic postscript driver, may work
[05:33] <lidar> lotuspsychje: after a week i would be like screw it im using freebsd
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:33] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: otherwise the only OS you will get this running on is Windows
[05:33] <Guest41047> ok
[05:33] <Crowler> !lubuntu
[05:33] <Guddu> Guest41047 Did you try with any other Epson Laser Printer model?
[05:33] <lidar> lotuspsychje: yeah sure why not
[05:34] <Erin> Catta, maybe that laptop doesn't have enough ram
[05:34] <Guest41047> let me try
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> lidar: im too addicted on ubuntu to leave this..i gotta fix this
[05:34] <ActionParsnip> Guest41047: in future I recommend you buy HP. HP loves linux and there is a project named HPLIP (part of a default Ubuntu install) and most HP printers install and confure with zero issues
[05:34] <Crowler> hmm... there is #lubuntu... i wonder if dudes there know msr...
[05:34] <Guest41047> yes sir
[05:35] <Guest41047> Guddu@No
[05:36] <Guddu> Guest41047 I would give it a quick try and see if the output is coming out fine.
[05:36] <Catta> Erin: I am in the bios, can i check ram here?
[05:36] <ActionParsnip> Catta: there is a memtest86+ in Grub
[05:36] <Crowler> Catta usually on 1st page
[05:36] <Guddu> So in Ubuntu we don't have httpd.conf but apache2.conf?
[05:36] <Guest41047> NO  OUTPUT
[05:36] <Catta> system memory? 256 mb
[05:36] <Crowler> Catta it is
[05:37] <ActionParsnip> Catta: reboot and hold SHIFT then select the memtest in the grub menu
[05:37] <Catta> ok ActionParsnip
[05:37] <Erin> Catta, yea
[05:38] <Erin> supposedly lubuntu is fine with 256mb of ram
[05:38] <Erin> Catta, oh man that laptop is ancient :-)
[05:38] <Crowler> System Requirements
[05:38] <Crowler> We have done many tests and we found out that Lubuntu can be installed on a Pentium II or Celeron system with 128 MB of RAM. However, the system will not be very much usable or for daily use.
[05:39] <Catta> oh, i already did the memtest ActionParsnip , i passed 100%
[05:39] <smw> Crowler, ubuntu can be installed on just about any system
[05:39] <Crowler> With 256MB - 384MB of RAM, the performance will be better and the system will be more usable.
[05:39] <Crowler> With 512MB of RAM, you don't need to worry much.
[05:39] <Crowler> The default "Desktop" installer requires 368-800 MB of RAM (depending on selected options.) If you have problems, please use the "Alternate" installer.
[05:39] <Catta> I did that and the check disk before I installed
[05:39] <smw> Crowler, the question is, will it run fast enough to be useful
[05:40] <Crowler> i just cite wiki
[05:40] <prashant_123456> how to make script to log dynamic ip address and update to a webpage ?
[05:40] <Erin> So he needs the alternate installer
[05:40] <Catta> I will try to reinstall again, thanks Crowler , Erin and ActionParsnip
[05:45] <ActionParsnip> prashant_123456: could just use a service like noip or dydns and have it update DNS so you can use a name, then your IP doesn't matter
[05:47] <ActionParsnip> prashant_123456: there are client apps for ubuntu and some routers also support dydn and they will periodically update the ip to name resolution so if the IP does change the DNS will reflect the change
[05:47] <Crowler> Catta you still here? if so, take my word, old windows will be better
[05:48] <Catta> I am here, all I have is a windows 95 cd, but it did run xp alright
[05:48] <Crowler> catt so install it
[05:49] <Crowler> modern linuxes are too hungry for ram
[05:50] <Catta> that is why i was trying to install damn small linux first, would that work , if i could ever get it installed?
[05:50] <prashant_123456> ActionParsnip, dyndns.org is a paid service
[05:50] <Catta> i would have to get XP somehow
[05:50] <kubanc_> any idea why i have only 128MB of RAM in virtualBox machine?
[05:51] <Crowler> Catta if you have some non-standatr hardware in your book, dsl may lack drivers for it
[05:51] <crimsonmane> Catta: just to give you an idea, Linux runs on my router which only has 8megs of ram
[05:51] <Catta> win95 didnt have the right drivers either
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> prashant_123456: there is a free version
[05:51] <ActionParsnip> prashant_123456: I use no-ip nd install noip2 on my server to update my record
[05:52] <Guddu> Guest41047 I would suggest asking at forum in www.CUPS.org also
[05:52] <Crowler> kubanc_ its default vm ram size and you didnt bother to adjust it at creation time
[05:52] <Catta> ok crimsonmane
[05:52] <mhahe> just bought a sony vaio z series. its got two ssd hard disks for raid 0 configuration. windows already installed. i want to get ubuntu installed alongside windows, but this raid things is confusing me. any body ever deal with this?
[05:52] <ActionParsnip> !raid
[05:53] <prashant_123456> ActionParsnip, i recently purchased one from dyndns.org for logging dvr and camera systems
[05:53] <prashant_123456> ActionParsnip, but i need some free service
[05:53] <Crowler> Catta i meant xp when i said "install it"
[05:53] <ActionParsnip> prashant_123456: noip is free, you'll just get emails telling you to renew
[05:53] <Catta> ok Crowler , if i could find a copy
[05:54] <kubanc_> Crowler, I'm takling about video memory not RAM
[05:54] <Crowler> Catta its not that hard
[05:54] <prashant_123456> ActionParsnip, ok i see but i have one more script which updates dynamic ip address to google spreadsheets
[05:55] <Crowler> kubanc_ your video card is emulated
[05:55] <prashant_123456> ActionParsnip, but dont know how to use the scripts
[05:57] <diligentdino> Hi, Question: Running 12.04LTS. After extended periods away from my machine, the monitor goes into sleep mode. However when I resume I've lost the ability to control my mouse. The clicking still working, but I can't move it. Suggestions?
[05:57] <Guest41047> ok
[05:57] <Crowler> diligentdino disable sleep mode
[05:58] <diligentdino> Crowler, Sleep is just for the monitor. The harddrive doesn't go to sleep. This is why I'm confused on this.
[05:58] <Crowler> hdd in linux never goes to sleep
[05:59] <SAngeli> for ubuntu server not having any hardware raid controller is "MDADM RAID Controller" what I should use or not? What is default ubuntu server using?
[05:59] <Guest41047> Guddu@the cups is by default install in ubuntu
[05:59] <Guddu> Guest41047 :  That's right...I was referring to your driver neeeds.
[06:00] <crimsonmane> i cannot believe you 'helpful' people didn't know about the Alternate Lubuntu Installer for low-ram systems. Lubuntu requires more than 256 ram in order to install
[06:00] <Crowler> SAngeli how much money you lose per hour if this server goes down?
[06:00] <Guest41047> Gaddu@ the printer in getting delected in ubuntu but is unable to print and this printer in network printer
[06:01] <SAngeli> Crowler, nothing because I have RAID 1 and the server is only repository for backups and it is not a production server. Why do you ask?
[06:01] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: what's your point?
[06:01] <Crowler> SAngeli you will be ok with mdadm
[06:01] <SAngeli> is mdadm what is also used by default from ubuntu server install CD, just to know?
[06:01] <lidar> crimsonmane: there are alternative .isos for everything
[06:01] <crimsonmane> yeah and someone here needed that but nobody suggestedit
[06:02] <crimsonmane> for like... an hour
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: so you never forgot something useful?
[06:02] <Guest41047> Guddu@ i trying to configure this printer as network printer in ubuntu
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: why didn't you suggest it then?
[06:02] <crimsonmane> i did. in private.
[06:02] <SAngeli> Crowler, is mdadm what is also used by default from ubuntu server install CD, just to know?
[06:02] <crimsonmane> i didn't want to ask the room to bring me up to speed.
[06:02] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: why in private?
[06:03] <crimsonmane> nobody ever brings me up to speed
[06:03] <Guddu> Guest41047 :  Have you seen at the CUPS logs?
[06:03] <Crowler> SAngeli crimsonmane says it is lol
[06:03] <ActionParsnip> crimsonmane: I could have, easily
[06:03] <SAngeli> great, sorry I did not noticed it
[06:03] <crimsonmane> history repeats itself.
[06:03] <lidar> ActionParsnip: it was secret!
[06:04] <Catta> i think erin said something about that but i didnt know what they were refering to
[06:04] <chris062689> Does anyone here happen to have any information about Optimus support in Ubuntu 12.10?
[06:04] <SAngeli> bty: do you know of any cheap (€50) raid controller that is compatible with ubuntu? Just to know
[06:04] <chris062689> I have a Thinkpad T430 with the NVIDIA GPU, and I need that NVIDIA GPU activated via Optimus to take advantage of my docking station.
[06:04] <chris062689> Is it possible to run it via Optimus or just run the NVIDIA GPU all the time if that's easier?
[06:05] <ActionParsnip> chris062689: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics   some commands there may help
[06:07] <Mikness> jagginess, Hey, just wanted to pop in and say thanks for the help last week. The problem with the SSD was that the firmware wasn't updated. Everything's working spectacularly now!
[06:09] <Crowler> he will know it... eventually
[06:10] <jagginess> Mikness, lol seriously :) good news
[06:11] <Mikness> Just spreadin' the love. Keep up the good work!
[06:13] <Walther> Mikness: Oh, great!
[06:13] <Mikness> walther, you too, man!
[06:14] <Erin> ]
[06:17] <PatrickC> anyone in here happen to be running ubuntu on a mac by any chance?
[06:17] <baizon> not really
[06:17] <baizon> but you can still ask your question :)
[06:17] <PatrickC> hah
[06:17] <PatrickC> just installed ubuntu onto my new MacBook pro
[06:17] <PatrickC> and install went good, but not in the boot menu :)
[06:18] <Crowler> PatrickC mac does not exist anymore as a hardware platform
[06:18] <jagginess> !refit
[06:18] <iceroot> !mac | PatrickC
[06:18] <Crowler> PatrickC just ask your casual pc question
[06:18] <PatrickC> jagginess, installed.. but it doesn't seem to be booting to rEFIt
[06:18] <jagginess> PatrickC, check out refit, (google: ubuntu wiki mac refit)
[06:18] <detly> I'm trying to test modifications to a combined gtk2/3 theme in 12.04 - can anyone give me an example of a simple gtk2 app?
[06:19] <jagginess> PatrickC, you have to install grub's stage1 not to the mbr, but to the linux partition where there's /boot
[06:20] <jagginess> PatrickC, then refit will show a penguin
[06:20] <PatrickC> jagginess, rEFIt doesn't show anything, like rEFIt doesn't boot
[06:21] <jagginess> PatrickC, refit is supposed to at least allow you to access a shell option.. if you did an OsX update, you may need to do a refit reinstall
[06:22] <Crowler> looks like he killed efi partition
[06:22] <PatrickC> jagginess, i installed it after i updated
[06:22] <PatrickC> but might have found a solution.. trying now
[06:24] <moonbug> body?
[06:24] <PatrickC> woo!! got it working i believe
[06:24] <PatrickC> got rEFIt working at least
[06:24] <PatrickC> now to see if this will still require the kernel boot command change
[06:24] <moonbug> wow
[06:25] <moonbug> first to be here amazing
[06:26] <jagginess> PatrickC, try booting to a rescue shell from cd, 1 way or another you'll have to have grub's stage1 on the linux partition, not the mbr(sector0)
[06:27] <PatrickC> jagginess, it's booting now
[06:27] <jagginess> PatrickC, also, refit only recognizes 4 partitions
[06:27] <PatrickC> i thin..
[06:27] <PatrickC> i only have 3 :)
[06:27] <PatrickC> s/thin/think/
[06:28] <PatrickC> booted jagginess
[06:29] <jagginess> PatrickC, also you may want to look into grub-efi and see if that's easy to get working on mac.. there's likely benefits over than using grubpc.. but i'm guessing there'll be more tinkering to be done for getting it to work..
[06:32] <mhahe> hey guys i read the ubuntu guide on how to configure and install ubuntu for raid configuration... but it doesnt mention how to deal with pre-existing OS (windows 7) i want it to go alongside windows
[06:32] <iceroot> mhahe: you cant put windows on software raid from ubuntu
[06:33] <mhahe> is that the prefered way?
[06:33] <iceroot> mhahe: you are talking about softwareraid? or fakeraid? or hardware-raid?
[06:33] <mhahe> i have 2 ssd drives in raid 0
[06:34] <mhahe> new laptop pre installed with windows 7
[06:34] <iceroot> mhahe: ok then its software-raid
[06:34] <mhahe> i was going to try and install ubuntu along side it
[06:34] <jagginess> mhahe, you need at least 2 physical harddrives to do any raid
[06:34] <mhahe> there are
[06:34] <mhahe> 2
[06:34] <mhahe> 128 gb 128gb
[06:35] <iceroot> mhahe: install windows somewhere and make space on both drives for ubuntu
[06:35] <jagginess> mhahe, i dont think m$' ldm is fully stable in linux..
[06:35] <iceroot> mhahe: e.g. windows 28gb, then you still have 100gb and 128gb, put 100gb in software-raid
[06:35] <Crowler> mhahe what is raid controller name in device manager?
[06:35] <mhahe> let me check
[06:36] <iceroot> never heard of a notebook with a raid controller
[06:36] <jagginess> mhahe, your laptop can take 2 drives? what model is it?
[06:36] <mhahe> sony vaio z
[06:36] <mhahe> this years model
[06:37] <jagginess> mhahe, the second harddrive isn't on usb is it?
[06:37] <iceroot> !raid | mhahe
[06:37] <iceroot> mhahe: use the first link for software-raid
[06:37] <mhahe> well if you mean external then no
[06:38] <mhahe> I have two seperate hdd
[06:38] <jagginess> mhahe, you can use the desktop-alternate ubuntu iso.. it supports raid upon installation
[06:38] <Crowler> then its not raid
[06:38]  * jagginess uses software raid
[06:38] <iceroot> mhahe: but why you need raid0 on a notebook?
[06:38] <iceroot> mhahe: raid IS NOT a backup solution
[06:39] <mhahe> raid 0 isnt for backup
[06:39] <mhahe> from what i read
[06:39] <iceroot> mhahe: why you need raid on a notebook?
[06:39] <mhahe> im not so tech savy when it comes to this specifically
[06:39] <iceroot> mhahe: then dont use raid if you dont know what it means
[06:39] <mhahe> but i read on their website it is in raid 0 config
[06:39] <jagginess> mhahe, the type of raid you'd be using is called 'software raid'.. of course.. you'd setup up a raid1 type.. you make two physical linux-RAID partitions -- it can be done with the setup
[06:40] <EweR> if im not using root, but just user with root privilagies, why the hell I have to write sudo each time i install something and use my password all the time
[06:40] <iceroot> EweR: because of security
[06:41] <iceroot> EweR: it would be stupid when you can execute everything as root directly with your normal user
[06:41] <jagginess> mhahe, backup any userdata.. you won't lose anything if you're careful but still..
[06:41] <iceroot> EweR: then everything would be run as root (browser for example)
[06:41] <mhahe> jagginess
[06:41] <Crowler> EweR because you cant transfer root's rigts to another account
[06:42] <mhahe> so i can install ubuntu right now using software raid?
[06:42] <iceroot> mhahe: why you need raid?
[06:42] <jagginess> mhahe, some guides may say they have /dev/md0 for /, others would say they use /dev/md0p1 for /, .. i make it simple, i just use /dev/md0 for /, it's up to you..
[06:42] <mhahe> keeping windows intact? assuming nothing goes wrong
[06:42] <EweR> Apperently its not recomended to use root account
[06:42] <jagginess> mhahe, with the desktop-alternate iso , (not the standard-- but it's exactly the same repositories, etc.. it's only the installer that supports raid upon setup)
[06:42] <jagginess> mhahe, (,/upon install./upon setup)
[06:43] <jagginess> mhahe, yeah..
[06:43] <jagginess> mhahe, just shrink the windows ntfs partitions first of course..
[06:43] <mhahe> jagginess, what tool do i use to shrink it? or just use what comes with iso?
[06:43] <Crowler> EweR you can be root all the time you want, if you know what youre doing
[06:44] <jagginess> mhahe, you can use gparted live cd, or if i'm right, that installer cd can resize ntfs..
[06:44] <IdleOne> Crowler: that is just bad advice
[06:44] <iceroot> Crowler: please dont suggest something like that. its a big security issue
[06:45] <Crowler> IdleOne, iceroot this "issue" just makes ppl paranoid
[06:45] <mhahe> I have 2 HDDs so if ill probably have to resize both?
[06:45] <jagginess> mhahe, the process of doing the first sync (linux only touches it's own partitions, nothing else), it'll be slow.. but in your case the first sync would probably take under an hour.. any activity you do during this time will be extremely slow..
[06:45] <IdleOne> Crowler: what makes me paranoid is people giving out bad advice.
[06:46] <jagginess> mhahe, let's say you want 15gigs for linux, then you'll need to free 15 gigs on both drives..
[06:46] <IdleOne> Crowler: Please do not tell people they can run as root all the time. Ubuntu uses sudo and that is what this channel supports
[06:46] <jagginess> mhahe, you should also set room aside for a RAID1 mirroring for swap
[06:46] <jagginess> mhahe, i'm guessing a 1-2 gig swap is good enough for your laptop
[06:47] <Crowler> eh, no need for panic. im not sexually harassing anyone
[06:48] <mhahe> i never dealt with raid so im getting abit reluctant to start fiddling around. i feel ill mess things up somehow.. u say if i want 15gb for linux i free up 15gb from BOTH as in 7.5gb each?
[06:48] <randomDude> Crowler: i assure you there is always a reason to panic
[06:48] <jagginess> mhahe, so basically make space with gparted live cd for both drives, then reboot with the desktop-alternate iso..
[06:48] <iceroot> mhahe: can you tell me why you need RAID? as it seems you even dont know what raid is and trust me there is no reason to use raid on a notebook
[06:48] <diligentdino> mhahe, whatever you do on 1 drive do it on the other. If you free 15gigs on A  .. free 15gigs on B.
[06:48] <jagginess> mhahe, well thats why i said to backup your userdata.. it's actually pretty easy once you follow a guide out there.. there's no commands to do, -- the only one you really have to check later is-> cat /proc/mdstat  , which tells you if there's still a resync going on
[06:49] <Crowler> you guys, who advice against rooting, just never tried it yourself
[06:49] <mhahe> iceroot, I have 2 hdds so isnt that raid 0?
[06:49] <iceroot> mhahe: no
[06:49] <jagginess> mhahe, you're using ldm or not?
[06:49] <diligentdino> Crowler, Advising users to run as a super account all the time is just pain irresponsible.
[06:49] <iceroot> Crowler: we said we dont support something like that here, please respect that, thank you
[06:49] <jagginess> mhahe, m$ ldm? (dynamic disk)
[06:49] <mhahe> ldm?
[06:50] <mhahe> just got the laptop and up till this point only ever had 1 hd
[06:50] <mhahe> so im lost
[06:50] <jagginess> mhahe, that's m$' way of doing software raid.. linux can't be used on those disks (i think m$ldm isnt yet secure with linux)
[06:50] <iceroot> mhahe: raid is more then just "i have two hdds". have a look at wikipedia what RAID is and then thing about if you really need it
[06:50] <jagginess> mhahe, raid1 is mirroring.. it would be good enough for your setup
[06:51] <jagginess> mhahe, raid0 isnt
[06:51] <mhahe> i dont need back up
[06:51] <diligentdino> mhahe, I'd suggest you start by reading about what RAID is and the difference between software and an actual hardware RAID.
[06:51] <iceroot> mhahe: raid is not a backup
[06:51] <mhahe> so raid 1 is of no use for me
[06:51] <mhahe> mirroring
[06:51] <mhahe> redundancy or what ever
[06:52] <iceroot> mhahe: and raid0 is making the chance 50% higher that your filesystem will fail
[06:52] <jagginess> mhahe, then what do you want to gain from setting up a "raid" then?
[06:52] <Crowler> i never said "i advice", i said "you can"
[06:52] <jagginess> mhahe, the main purpose of raid is "redundancy"
[06:52] <iceroot> mhahe: just forget the idea of raid and you will be fine
[06:52] <Ben64> i thought raid 1 was for speed?
[06:52] <mhahe> okay all i want is for ubuntu to see both HDD... so what should i do?
[06:52] <iceroot> Ben64: raid0 is for speed
[06:52] <Ben64> hmm
[06:52] <jagginess> mhahe, I say buy a ubuntu book. You wasted so many people's time here.
[06:52] <jagginess> bye.
[06:53] <diligentdino> mhahe, If all you wanna do is see both hdds on 1 os. Just use fstab to mount the other drive.
[06:53] <Ben64> doesn't raid 1 pull info from both drives at once = double speed?
[06:53] <Ben64> or am i thinking incorrectly
[06:53] <iceroot> Ben64: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_0:_Striping_.E2.80.93_Beschleunigung_ohne_Redundanz
[06:53] <iceroot> Ben64: replace that link with a language of your choice
[06:55] <mhahe> also once i get ubuntu installed.. is it possible to mount windows partition? I have loads of music and depending on what im using throughout the day id like to be able to play some tunes. so if i just keep it all on windows that would be great and just mount it. instead of having seperate copies
[06:56] <iceroot> mhahe: sure
[06:56] <diligentdino> mhahe, read up on /etc/fstab
[06:56] <iceroot> mhahe: ubuntu will automaticly mount your windows-partiton and show it in the filemanager
[06:56] <iceroot> mhahe: no need to edit /etc/fstab
[06:57] <diligentdino> iceroot, telling someone not to get their hands dirty and actually learning about the OS sounds like windows
[06:58] <mhahe> i had a mac before and it would show up in the file explorer but i didnt have permission to access files. i went through a guide and it was way to much time and i was too busy to follow through. will i face permission issues when using windows partition?
[06:58] <Ben64> diligentdino: why even type sentences here if you're not being constructive?
[06:58] <iceroot> diligentdino: there is no need to tell someone "read up on /etc/fstab (where???) when he just wants something which is working automaticly
[06:58] <iceroot> diligentdino: are you reading docu of upstart just because you are using it automaticly?
[06:58] <diligentdino> iceroot, there are 2 ways 2 do everything. I figured this was a help channel .. not an easy channel.
[06:59] <iceroot> diligentdino: its not helpfull to tell someone to read docu about something he will maybe never need
[06:59] <Ben64> mhahe: normally ntfs works almost flawlessly in ubuntu, except for unusual circumstances, like encrypted volumes
[06:59] <diligentdino> it works 2 ways for a reason. Users have options and they shouldn't be told NOT to do something... Just like they shouldn't be told to run in super user all the time.
[06:59] <iceroot> diligentdino: and its not helpfull to name him just a file
[06:59] <diligentdino> iceroot, he needs it NOW .. this is what he's trying to do.
[07:00] <iceroot> diligentdino: reread his question
[07:00] <diligentdino> iceroot, he wants music on another partition. So mounting this other partition is what he wants.
[07:00] <iceroot> diligentdino: and what is ubuntu doing by default with windows-partitions?
[07:00] <diligentdino> sudo blkid and mount by UUID .. it's not hard. And this is the other option of the 'easy way'
[07:00] <mhahe> so ill just add that partition into fstab and it should be mounted on every start up?
[07:00] <three18ti> just discovered the 3.5 kernel fixes the shutdown kernel panic bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/820546 but I -think- that's only because it doesn't load the 4rd party nvidia drivers...
[07:01] <Erin> I agree I taught someone to blkid and use fstab in 5 minutes earlier today.
[07:01] <three18ti> #firstworldproblems
[07:01] <Erin> teach them to fish....
[07:01] <diligentdino> Right
[07:01] <iceroot> diligentdino: ubuntu is even not installed on his system
[07:01] <Erin> if you expect it to just work you are screwed
[07:01] <diligentdino> mhahe, /etc/fstab is the folder for mounting partitions.
[07:01] <Ben64> mhahe: you don't need to use fstab at all
[07:01] <three18ti> "Every time I shutdown my laptop" firstworldproblems.jpg "It kernel panics"
[07:02] <Calinou> three18ti, troll much
[07:02] <diligentdino> iceroot, does it really matter? .. to new users ubuntu is linux
[07:02] <Calinou> "4rd"
[07:02] <iceroot> diligentdino: can you stop that please?
[07:02] <diligentdino> iceroot, why because it doesn't conform to what you want to tell the user?
[07:02] <iceroot> diligentdino: at the moment only windows is installed, he will now install ubuntu and ubuntu will auto-mount the windows partitoons automaticlky
[07:02] <cappicard> hrmm.... this is very frustrating...  i do not know why i can't log into my own server via the console. I get the motd, but never the bash prompt
[07:02] <iceroot> diligentdino: so there is no single reason to read the manpage for fstab
[07:03] <Ben64> diligentdino: it is much easier for a new user to ubuntu to go to Menu -> Places -> 200GB filesystem
[07:03] <iceroot> diligentdino: you are just confusing him
[07:03] <mhahe> thanks guys ill be wipping the computer clean, windows came with so much bloat and ill just have it installed fresh. but is it better to install windows first or ubuntu? which is less painful and also better in long run?
[07:03] <Walther> mhahe: windows first
[07:03] <iceroot> mhahe: first windows, then ubuntu
[07:03] <diligentdino> iceroot, if getting the second option on a problem your trying to solve is confusing. Perhaps more learning is in order ... right clicking and adding just feeds the problem.
[07:03] <jagginess> !just do it.
[07:04] <iceroot> diligentdino: ubuntu is not a system where the user must learn so much before he can use the system
[07:04] <iceroot> diligentdino: ubuntu is a system, ready to be used
[07:04] <mhahe> thanks again guys for all the help. sorry for the headache
[07:04] <Ben64> there is always time to learn later. you can't expect a new user to jump all the way in
[07:04] <three18ti> Calinou, not trolling, just trying to make light of an -extremely- frustrating problem that has plagued me since I installed 12.04.  it's really, a dumb problem to have, (and I may have linked the wrong bug report, they all kinda say the same thing...)
[07:04] <diligentdino> you honestly believe editing fstab is jumping all the way in? .....
[07:05] <iceroot> diligentdino: can we move on?
[07:05] <jagginess> Ben64, ns. Some people guess more than they have to, and never do a userdata backup.. then only come here to whine about it
[07:05] <diligentdino> iceroot, yes
[07:05] <Walther> diligentdino: It's not perhaps jumpin all the way in. But it is thoroughly unnecessary for a new user
[07:05]  * jagginess says just BACKUP AND DO IT.
[07:05] <Ben64> jagginess: what are you talking about
[07:06] <diligentdino> Walther, I get that, .. I'm just trying to say it's not always about the dbl click. Some users like hearing the second option. Once you only tell them  the one way .. i'm sure more than enough users will only stick with this one option.. because they 'know how to do it'
[07:07] <diligentdino> it's just counter-productive when we're also trying to increase the desire for something stable that you can't do in windows right ... that's what the whole community is about.  Otherwise other people spend time trying to help for nothing.
[07:07] <jagginess> Nothing!
[07:07]  * jagginess looks at the tux penguin
[07:07] <Ben64> diligentdino: why aren't you using telnet to use irc right now? you're taking the easy way out.
[07:08] <jagginess> Ben64, that's a nice tease on ssh.. funny
[07:08] <diligentdino> Because irc isn't my main reason for this box. Which was setup about 12hrs ago
[07:08] <iceroot> !ot
[07:09] <ssta> jagginess: it would be really hard to use ssh to irc
[07:09] <trijntje> what kind of script is a file when it starts with /bin/sh?
[07:09] <ssta> trijntje: "shell script"
[07:09] <jagginess> trijntje, sh is a bastardized minimal shell..
[07:10] <EweR> how can I know a password for a root when the installation of ubuntu didnt even ask for it?
[07:10] <Ben64> !root | EweR
[07:10] <ssta> EweR: Ubuntu doesn't have a root password
[07:10] <EweR> k
[07:11] <trijntje> ssta: jagginess ok thanks, I'll see what I can find about 'shell script'
[07:11] <devish> I smell Matrix above
[07:11] <EweR> sudo chown -R user /var/www             <-- does nothing
[07:12] <Benkinooby> hi i need to get wine (and all it dependencies) for a laptop without internet connection. how can i get all these packages in a comfortable way?
[07:12] <devish> i need wine too ;)
[07:12] <jagginess> Benkinooby, what's the point of a laptop without internet? are you in the 1980's ?
[07:12] <diligentdino> EweR, do -vR so you can see the output
[07:12] <EweR> oh it works, just didnt get any message
[07:13] <Benkinooby> jagginess, the networkplug is broken and it will be used to run a training cd that is made for win
[07:13] <diligentdino> EweR, so the dir is owned by 'user' now?
[07:13] <ssta> !offline | Benkinooby
[07:14] <jagginess> Benkinooby, sounds like you want to teach Windows on a broken Linux. Something doesnt sound right here..
[07:14] <EweR> diligentdino, yes
[07:14] <Benkinooby> jagginess, the CD is a training CD for the driving license
[07:14] <ssta> jagginess: there are lots of reasons for machines not have internet access.  Why isn;t relevant to his question
[07:14] <jagginess> ssta, help