[08:39] <Squirm> morning
[08:39] <Kilos> hiya Squirm
[09:20] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[09:21] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[09:21] <Cantide> morning '<
[09:21] <Cantide> i am actually CanSnack / CanStudy right now
[09:21] <Cantide> so partially AFK :p
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <smile> Hoi! :)
[17:38] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[17:39] <Kilos> drussell, evening. how good are you at making waves
[17:41] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:41] <smile> hallo Kilos :)
[18:00] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:01] <smile> evening, magespawn :)
[18:02]  * smile gee magespawn 'n drukkie
[18:02] <magespawn> Hey smile
[18:02] <smile> :)
[18:02] <magespawn> O/
[18:02] <smile> how was your day ^^
[18:03] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[18:03] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[18:05] <magespawn> Good thanks smile spent some of it at the beach
[18:05] <smile> magespawn: hot? :)
[18:06] <magespawn> Pleasanylt warm for the first half.
[18:06] <magespawn> lty
[18:08] <magespawn> 25
[18:10] <smile> magespawn: 28 here @ 18h :)
[18:10] <smile> so it was over 30+ degrees
[18:10] <smile> it's the hottest we reach in Belgium
[18:10] <smile> in an average summer
[18:11] <magespawn> Had 35 yesterday. Winter here, unusual though, normally 20-25
[18:14] <superfly> hi magespawn and smile
[18:14] <superfly> on my Kindle Fire
[18:14] <magespawn> Hey superfly
[18:14] <magespawn> And?
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Pankreas
[18:14] <Pankreas> Hey there Kilos
[18:15] <superfly> it's useless outside of the USA
[18:15] <Kilos> aw and you were so looking forward to it superfly
[18:15] <magespawn> Why/
[18:15] <magespawn> ?
[18:16]  * Banlam is also curious
[18:16] <Kilos> hehe
[18:16] <smile> hi superfly :D
[18:17] <Pankreas> Sorry to interupt, everyone in here SA Ubuntu users?
[18:17] <Kilos> not all
[18:17] <smile> Pankreas: nope, i'm Belgium Ubuntu user :)
[18:17] <Pankreas> Right.
[18:17] <Kilos> some use other systems too
[18:17] <magespawn> From all over
[18:17] <smile> (and developer, not for ubuntu) :p
[18:18] <superfly> magespawn: it only has the Amazon app store, which is only available in the USA
[18:18] <Pankreas> Belgium, nice.
[18:18] <smile> Pankreas: and you :D
[18:18] <superfly> Pankreas: most of us are from SA
[18:18] <magespawn> I have that on my HTC flyer and it works.
[18:19] <Pankreas> all right, cool. From SA as well. I am new to the whole linux scene, but very interrested.... Still have to make up my mind between two types.
[18:20] <superfly> magespawn: I had to root my Kindle to install Google Play
[18:20] <smile> Pankreas: which two types? welcome in linux world :)
[18:20] <Kilos> Pankreas, what two?
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <smile> some things may be overwhelming, but please ask :)
[18:20] <magespawn> No shortage of opinions here thats for sure.
[18:20] <Kilos> and welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:20] <Pankreas> Thank you smile.  Ubuntu and Fedora.
[18:20] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:20] <Pankreas> Thank you Kilos
[18:20] <smile> Ubuntu is much easier for beginning linux users :)
[18:21] <smile> I recommended it to someone this week and he likes it very much
[18:21] <magespawn> Strange superfly, I use the amazon app from google play so maybe that is different.
[18:21] <smile> He's happy with it
[18:21] <smile> :)
[18:21] <Kilos> Pankreas, have you got adsl
[18:21] <Pankreas> Right, ok, that will help, lol. Loaded the Fedora from the live media....
[18:21] <superfly> Pankreas: Fedora is pretty nice, but it tends to break when you upgrade
[18:22] <Pankreas> uncapped internet dongle stick....
[18:22] <smile> Fedora is much modern techniques -> more likely to break
[18:22] <smile> :p
[18:22] <Pankreas> thank you superfly , you just made up my mind....
[18:22] <superfly> Pankreas: in my experience, Ubuntu breaks less
[18:22] <superfly> magespawn: app store, not app
[18:23] <Pankreas> linux mint?
[18:23] <magespawn> Brb
[18:23] <Pankreas> look nice
[18:23] <Kilos> Pankreas, have you used or seen any linux os in action yet?
[18:23] <smile> Pankreas: good choice also. :) most ubuntu software will run on linux mint too
[18:23] <magespawn> superfly yup the amazon app store.
[18:24] <magespawn> Is mint not ubuntu baser?
[18:24] <magespawn> Baser
[18:24] <magespawn> Based
[18:24] <Kilos> haha youll get there
[18:24] <superfly> magespawn: well, I couldn't even install free apps
[18:24] <Kilos> sooner or later
[18:24] <Pankreas> Well, i am downloading ubuntu tonite, while I sleep. lol. No really no, not in action. right, so you get different software aswell,???
[18:25] <Kilos> all software is available in the repos
[18:25] <Pankreas> meaning, software for different versions of linux...
[18:25] <Kilos> software centre
[18:25] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:25] <magespawn> superfly i cant get the drm ones that need usa but the free ones I can
[18:26] <Kilos> magespawn, mail them to the fly
[18:26] <smile> magespawn: yes it is
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26] <magespawn> So then it uses dpkg and apt?
[18:26] <smile> yes, apt-get to be precise
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:26] <Pankreas> ok, I'm still learning. Thank you.
[18:27] <magespawn> Debian packages .dbm?
[18:27] <smile> .deb, magespawn ;)
[18:27] <Kilos> Pankreas, you are welcome here no matter what linux system you are using
[18:27] <smile> even arch ;)
[18:27] <magespawn> Touch keyboard
[18:27] <smile> but less likely with Arch Linux we will able to help you
[18:27] <smile> :p
[18:27] <superfly> Pankreas: no, we're talking about how you install software on Linux
[18:28] <superfly> Pankreas: on Windows you have those installers. on Linux it works completely differently
[18:28] <Kilos> Pankreas, once you have installed ubuntu everything is available at the click of your mouse
[18:29] <magespawn> The point I was trying to get to was Pankreas can use the ubuntu software.
[18:29] <Pankreas> I'm not rushing into anything at the moment.  Going to change my desktop pc to linux, and take it from there. I really don't want to sound like a newbie, but hey, I am....
[18:29] <Pankreas> I am going to install Ubuntu
[18:30] <superfly> Pankreas: each distribution has their own way to install stuff, though the concept is the same for them all
[18:30] <Kilos> good decision
[18:30] <smile> bye :)
[18:30] <superfly> Pankreas: awesome!!
[18:30] <Kilos> most help needed for ubuntu you can get here
[18:30] <Pankreas> :)
[18:30] <Kilos> toods smile
[18:30] <superfly> bye smile
[18:30] <Pankreas> that is some good news.
[18:30] <smile> see ya all :)
[18:30] <Pankreas> bye smile
[18:30] <magespawn> Bye smile
[18:30] <smile> good night :)
[18:31] <Kilos> sleep tight smiley guy
[18:31] <magespawn> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm maybe give this a gander.
[18:31] <smile> thanks Kilos :D
[18:31] <magespawn> Pankreas^
[18:31] <Pankreas> will do. ty
[18:34] <Pankreas> Um... server taking to long to respond, will check it out a bit later then.
[18:35] <Kilos> Pankreas, you can upgrade your server to ubuntu as well
[18:35] <Kilos> hehe
[18:36] <Pankreas> Here is a qeustion, running server OS on a desktop not for a server purpose. pointless right?
[18:36] <Pankreas> question.
[18:36] <Pankreas> btw, I do make spelling mistakes.
[18:36] <Pankreas> lol
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly, runs his server on a sparee pc at home
[18:37] <Squirm> Pankreas: what server OS though?
[18:37] <Kilos> we all do
[18:38] <Pankreas> cool, but for server purpose... netwoking, vrn etc.... Squirm: any i guess, win 2008, red hat....
[18:38] <Squirm> I know a guy who runs windows server '03, stability purposes
[18:38] <Squirm> I'd run something like RH as a desktop
[18:39] <Tonberry>  debian?
[18:39] <Squirm> it's nice and stable, if that's what you're going for. Only downfall is you don't get all the up to date packages, you'd have to build them yourself
[18:39] <Squirm> Tonberry: I run debian
[18:40] <Squirm> on my desktop, netboot and raspberry pi
[18:40] <Squirm> s/netboot/netbook
[18:40] <Pankreas> Ok, was thinking of loading ubuntu server.... but went for the desktop version...
[18:40] <Tonberry> does everyone but me have a pi?
[18:40] <Squirm> Tonberry: probably
[18:41] <magespawn> No I dont have one yet
[18:42] <Pankreas> um, I had custard pi today...... Only heard of the raspberry pi today, what is it, if I may ask?
[18:42] <Pankreas> hardware, software?
[18:42] <Squirm> credit card sized computer
[18:42] <Squirm> 800Mhz arm processor, 256mb ram
[18:43] <Squirm> powered off 5v mini usb
[18:43] <Kilos> Maaz, google rasberry pi
[18:43] <Maaz> Kilos: "Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte!" http://www.raspberrypi.org/ :: "FAQs | Raspberry Pi" http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs :: "Raspberry Pi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi :: "Rasberry pi - Hack a Day" http://hackaday.com/category/rasberry-pi/ :: "Rasberry Pi Foundation announces the Gertboard - The H Open ..." http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Rasberry-Pi-Found
[18:43] <Squirm> look at the faq
[18:43] <Squirm> it has photo
[18:44] <Kilos> Pankreas, download the server tomorrow night
[18:44] <Kilos> you can also try kubuntu
[18:44] <Kilos> the fly should have a link
[18:44] <Squirm> Pankreas: it's not exactly 'pointless', it depends what the person wants out of his OS
[18:45] <Squirm> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/
[18:45] <Kilos> Squirm, is kubuntu there
[18:45] <Squirm> should be
[18:46] <Kilos> they split from canonical
[18:46] <Squirm> http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/
[18:46] <Kilos> or vice versa
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <Squirm> hmm
[18:46] <Squirm> the date's are old though
[18:46] <superfly> Pankreas: there's no real difference between the server and the desktop in Linux, other than the preinstalled software
[18:46] <Squirm> goes up to 11.10
[18:47] <Pankreas> Wow, look very nice, will have a better look later at the raspberry pi.
[18:47] <Squirm> Pankreas: best part is, you'll pay around R340 for it
[18:47] <Pankreas> superfly:  Right, so server it is then.
[18:47] <Pankreas> reason for tomorrow night?
[18:47] <Pankreas> Squirm: what? really?
[18:48] <superfly> Pankreas: but if you want to use it as a desktop machine, install the desktop version
[18:48] <superfly> Pankreas: you can install the server software as and when you need it
[18:49] <Pankreas> ok, does this make sense... I want to learn myself a bit more about servers, and linux, thus installing a server version should be the best option????
[18:49] <Pankreas> yes, no?
[18:49] <Pankreas> start with desktop first
[18:49] <superfly> Pankreas: remember, the server doesn't have a gui
[18:50] <superfly> Pankreas: start with the desktop
[18:50] <Squirm> speaking of servers. I really need to start learning for my RH exam :/
[18:52] <Pankreas> makes sense, seeing as the gui will help.
[18:54] <Pankreas> Right Gentlemen, and Ladies if present. quick coffee and smoke break, which i am trying to stop as well... both. brb.
[18:54] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[18:54]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:54] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:55] <Pankreas> lol
[18:56] <superfly> Pankreas: coffee yes, smoke no. :-)
[18:57] <magespawn> Squirm RH exam?
[18:57] <Kilos> smoking keeps elephants at bay
[18:58] <Squirm> magespawn: doing my RHCSA on the 24th
[18:58] <Kilos> great Squirm
[18:58] <Kilos> glad to hear that
[18:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[18:58] <Squirm> ty Maaz
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:58] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:58] <Squirm> Kilos: I hope it will be great
[18:59] <Kilos> give it your best lad
[18:59] <Squirm> 2.5 hour prac
[18:59] <Squirm> ...fun
[18:59] <Kilos> whew
[19:00] <Kilos> and the theory?
[19:00] <Kilos> 3 hours
[19:00] <Squirm> no theory
[19:00] <Kilos> lekker
[19:00] <Squirm> yeah
[19:00] <Squirm> if it was theory, I'd suffer
[19:01] <Squirm> it's more like. here's a problem, fix it
[19:01] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[19:02] <Kilos> when Squirm ?
[19:03] <Kilos> magespawn, you gone quiet
[19:04] <magespawn> Family chatting here. Also googling rhsca.
[19:04] <magespawn> Rhcsa
[19:06] <Squirm> Red Hat Certified System Administrator
[19:06] <Squirm> then the next level from that is Red Hat Certified Engineer
[19:07] <Squirm> which I want to get, but maybe next year
[19:07] <Squirm> inbetween I think I'll try and get up to LPIC3
[19:10] <Pankreas> There is obviously market for linux in SA?
[19:11] <magespawn> I think there is a market world wide.
[19:12] <Pankreas> fair
[19:13] <magespawn> Big business uses it to tun most of their servers and such.
[19:13] <magespawn> Tun/run
[19:13] <Squirm> that's where I'm hoping to go
[19:14] <Pankreas> Good luck with that.  Thanks for the chat. see again.
[19:45] <Squirm> Kilos: that was quick
[19:48] <Kilos> lol i forgot to ask maaz somethig
[19:48] <inetpro> good evening
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm still alive
[19:49] <inetpro> that is for in case you where wondering
[19:49] <Kilos> goosie
[19:50] <psydroid> hi Kilos and inetpro
[19:50] <Kilos> so lekker to see you again
[19:50] <Kilos> hows things old man
[19:50] <psydroid> kids killed my internet connection
[19:50]  * inetpro been afk for a few days
[19:50] <Kilos> ouch
[19:50] <Kilos> we kinda noticed inetpro
[19:50] <Kilos> better sort things out
[19:51] <Kilos> 8 days to meeting
[19:51] <Squirm> hello inetpro
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... time to start thinking about the new agenda
[19:51] <inetpro> heh Squirm and psydroid
[19:52]  * inetpro won't touch the agenda tonight... need another weekend to recover from the long weekend
[19:52] <Kilos> now i can go sleep. i spoke to maaz and saw the pro
[19:52] <Kilos> 8 days is plenty inetpro
[19:53] <Kilos> we start in the week sometime
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: tks, now I feel better
[19:53] <inetpro> good night
[19:53] <Kilos> night again guys
[21:14] <superfly> night all


[00:40] <mjhouska> how do i get yo yo shimi to show up in alsa?
[00:42] <mjhouska> i only found a debian guy in open musicians. he said idt was a pulse issue
[22:44] <EriC^^> does anybody know of a software to convert png's to gif?
[22:45] <EriC^^> a bunch of them into 1 gif


[00:06] <jeramee> yeah
[00:06] <jeramee> I finally got a Qemu going and installed development packages in it
[00:07] <persia> Cool!  What are you building?
[00:07] <jeramee> and also I hacked a board I got from best buy installed the development package and wrote a few minor programs
[00:07] <jeramee> lol
[00:07] <jeramee> really
[00:08] <jeramee> I would like to make a touch screen puppy linux distro
[00:08] <jeramee> but maybe just use it for logging sensor and i/o streams
[00:08] <jeramee> and control a robot
[00:09] <jeramee> 800 mhz is plenty enough brains to clean my kitchen floor and maybe mow the grass
[00:09] <jeramee> lol
[00:09] <persia> Well, we can't help much with Puppy here, but robots are fun.
[00:09] <jeramee> especially because it is RISC
[00:10] <jeramee> are you really from Persia?
[00:10] <jeramee> yeah Puppy is nice distro and in my opinion would be great on tablet PC etc
[00:11] <jeramee> the newest is 125 mb
[00:11] <jeramee> the old school is like 98 mb and less
[00:11] <persia> I'm not from Persia, and I'm of the school of thought that calling a place "Persia" just reinforces an old insult.
[00:11]  * persia respects the concept of "Persian", which is completely different
[00:11] <persia> (and no, I'm not Persian either)
[00:12] <jeramee> full gui, burn CDs , stream music etc
[00:12] <jeramee> you do not need like gigs and gigs and gigs to do stuff lol
[00:12] <persia> Not at all, although I believe that all the distributions are about the same in terms of requirements.
[00:13] <persia> The useful question to ask about distributions is: which gives you the development environment you find comfortable?
[00:13] <jeramee> Gnome
[00:13] <jeramee> lol
[00:13] <jeramee> not Ubuntu
[00:13] <persia> As someone who does native development (yes, even on the beagleboard), I like Ubuntu.
[00:13] <jeramee> straight Gnome
[00:14] <persia> I'm talking about the lower-level tools.
[00:14] <persia> I thought the bug that kept one from running regular GNOME in Ubuntu was fixed.
[00:14] <jeramee> and XFCE deserves honorable mention
[00:14] <persia> If not, it ought be.  THere's bundles of folk who prefer GNOME Shell to Unity, and they ought be able to do as they like.
[00:14] <jeramee> it is
[00:14] <jeramee> and runs smooth
[00:15] <persia> We do XFCE just fine.  LXDE as well.
[00:16] <jeramee> I love XFCE just idk not easy to arrange stuff lol
[00:16] <jeramee> and some stuff still compatibility issues
[00:17] <jeramee> but doubt I will move to Unity
[00:17] <jeramee> so XFCE or Xubuntu I see those as future
[00:17] <persia> Heh, that's fine.
[00:17] <jeramee> lol
[00:17] <jeramee> seems like browsers, OS, etc, etc
[00:17] <jeramee> all make more bloat so you need better hardware lol
[00:18] <persia> In this channel, we tend to be concerned about the few things that make ARM special, and making sure all the packages in the archive work properly on ARM targets.  Specific desktop choice, etc. we leave to users.
[00:18] <jeramee> when will enough be enough
[00:18] <jeramee> so do Desktop fully compile?
[00:18] <jeramee> cause really command-line is all you need for many things
[00:19] <jeramee> but just curious
[00:19] <persia> I know of folk using kubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop on armel.
[00:19] <jeramee> wow
[00:19] <jeramee> nice
[00:19] <persia> I don't know of anyone using ubuntustudio-desktop on armel, but I suspect that works as well.
[00:19] <jeramee> yeah I am on studio atm
[00:19] <jeramee> running gnome
[00:20] <jeramee> and my slow PC has XFCE
[00:20] <persia> I don't know if anyone tested either of the edubuntu desktops, or the packages therein, but there's a good chance they work.  I had reports that Mythbuntu might not work so well, but no bug reports or specific complaints, so I can't be sure.
[00:21] <jeramee> yeah one thing I hate about XFCE is real bad media playing
[00:21] <jeramee> flash, etc
[00:21] <jeramee> but hey when you sit down to program no need to stream videos on Youtube lol
[00:21] <jeramee> just curious though
[00:22] <persia> Hrm?  I thought the media stuff got fixed.
[00:22] <jeramee> I ran all the patches
[00:22] <persia> And Flash shouldn't be different for different flavours of Ubuntu: we all use the same implementation.
[00:22] <jeramee> all the updates
[00:22] <jeramee> it doesn't crash
[00:22] <jeramee> system or player
[00:22] <jeramee> just seems a bit more choppy
[00:23] <jeramee> tried XFCE and Xubuntu
[00:23] <jeramee> same result
[00:23] <jeramee> so any of these distro's have touch screen functionality
[00:23] <jeramee> ?
[00:24] <persia> I thought parole was cleaner than that, but each person's experience may differ.
[00:24] <jeramee> well I am running 10.4 with RTAI
[00:24] <jeramee> so maybe makes a difference
[00:25] <persia> Ubuntu has touchscreen support, and so that is available for all flavours.  Precisely which applications take full advantage of that, and which just consider it as an X pointer, is more complicated (and building an exhastive list is likely impossible: things change faster than one can usefully test that many thousands of applications)
[00:25] <persia> Oh, yeah.  Media *production* works well with RT.  Media playing tends to work poorly with RT.
[00:26] <jeramee> wow good to know
[00:26] <jeramee> lol
[00:26] <jeramee> so you can build them better just not watch
[00:26] <jeramee> lol
[00:26] <jeramee> no wonder studio runs so smooth
[00:26] <jeramee> lol
[00:26] <jeramee> i dont even use it to make movies lol
[00:27] <jeramee> aren't some ARM OS RTOS
[00:27] <jeramee> like kernals?
[00:27] <persia> That's a software thing, independent of the hardware.
[00:28] <jeramee> was thinking maybe that would be better for automation
[00:28] <persia> We don'T have any realtime kernels in Ubuntu currently, so Ubuntu can't be configured as RTOS (although you could presumably create your own, if you want to forward-port the RT stuff, and we'd gladly use it if it was available).
[00:28] <persia> Depends on your needs.  If you need that level of timing control, it's better.  For most folk, most of the time, there's no point.
[00:28] <jeramee> lol
[00:29] <jeramee> compiling my own kernel is one thing
[00:29] <persia> I've seen folk get submillisecond reactions from things without RT, but sometimes there are scheduling bumps, and one ends up with 10s of ms.
[00:29] <jeramee> building lol
[00:29] <jeramee> is another
[00:30] <jeramee> yeah well technically
[00:30] <persia> For cleaning your kitchen, <100ms latency is likely to be fine, unless you have very expensive fragile cabinets, and a heavy robot with no padding.
[00:30] <jeramee> RTAI would be fine
[00:30] <jeramee> if all you are doing is talking to Microcontrollers
[00:30] <jeramee> they could keep the timing
[00:30] <jeramee> for you
[00:35] <persia> Oh, so you have your RTAI system that handles movement, cleaning, etc., and then your Ubuntu system that provides instructions, touchscreen, network access, etc.?
[00:35] <jeramee> nah not there yet
[00:36] <jeramee> but maybe I will try to build something of that nature
[00:36] <neko> how do I make my omapfb use a decent display mode after I install omap4-extras
[00:37] <neko> omappedia and elinux wiki are useless as is the ubuntu wiki... it seems like they're repeating very old info which isn't relevant as of today
[00:37] <persia> I thought we fixed the EDID issue: did that fix not get adopted in that PPA?
[00:37] <neko> I can't even find half these sysfs attributes it talks about, and nothing I edit boot.script to do seems to actually take effect (although /proc/cmdline reflects them, which is nice)
[00:37] <neko> I have absolutely no idea
[00:38] <neko> if I plug it into the edge HDMI port I get zip
[00:38] <jeramee> like for instance, real nice CNC machines have touch panels for calibration etc, and also another food for thought is I have 5 PC, plus 1 ARM.  Dedicate 1 to house automation, walk in room touch make coffee on the arm  and clean kitchen etc
[00:38] <neko> if I plug it into the HDMI port next to the USB slot I get 640x480
[00:38] <neko> which is nice. with pvr it runs like a hellcat
[00:38] <neko> I'd just rather it did 1600x900 like my monitor says it can do (and my efika supports nicely if I swap cables)
[00:39] <neko> the big pixels make my head hurt :D
[00:39] <persia> neko: Have you played with get-edid and parse-edid?
[00:39] <neko> never heard of them and a quick check confirms: not installed
[00:40] <neko> also, /sys/class/graphics/fb0 has no edid properties and nor does /sys/devices/platform/omapdss/whatever/in/here
[00:40] <persia> You'd have to install read-edid.  There's some stuff inside X that also does it, but I don't beleive the user interface to be as pleasing.
[00:40] <persia> That sounds like an EDID error then.
[00:40] <neko> X doesn't do anything
[00:41] <neko> what do you mean an EDID error
[00:41] <neko> omapfb sucks and cannot read from the i2c bus, or.. you're assuming I have a busted monitor?
[00:41] <persia> Failure to accurately collect EDID over HDMI, parse it, and set the screen correctly.
[00:41] <persia> I doubt the monitor has an issue, because you say it works with another device.
[00:42] <persia> I suspect either that there's an issue collecting the EDID with the current software stack *OR* that there's a failure to use the EDID data once collected.
[00:42] <neko> I tried 11 monitors, all of which work fine and report fine on the efika mx (and I get native res, or 1080p or 720p) - but every single one dumps to 480p. I can't imagine why it would not work on omap...
[00:42] <neko> all the wiki pages say there is some wicked awesome hdmi hotplug and edid grabbing stuff in sysfs and it's simply not there
[00:42] <neko> it's like, it's an old driver or something
[00:42] <persia> So, verify that you can get and read the EDID data.  If you can't, file a bug about that.  If you can, file a bug about not using the EDID data.
[00:43] <neko> 2.6.38-1208-omap4 seems to me to be totally brand new though
[00:43] <neko> eh I installed read-edid and .. nothing is installed? what am I meant to be running?
[00:43] <neko> problem here is I have no idea what I am looking for yet
[00:43] <persia> get-edid and parse-edid
[00:43] <neko> so a bug report is going to be totally useless
[00:44] <neko> get-edid: command not found
[00:44] <persia> Check your path.  If you installed the read-edid package, it should be in /usr/sbing/get-edid
[00:44] <persia> s/bing/bin/
[00:45] <neko> pfft, nope.
[00:45] <neko> I got lots of getkeycodes, getopt stuff but no get-edid anywhere
[00:46] <persia> Does `dpkg -L read-edid` show you a useful location?
[00:46] <neko> I just pulled in read-edid 2.0.0-3.1 which to my mind only works on PCs anyway
[00:46] <neko> even building it for armel, traditionally, has been a waste of cpu cycles... however someone could have added omap stuff to it in the past aeon :D
[00:46] <neko> so far I see nothing
[00:46] <neko> parse-edid is installed
[00:47] <neko> it needs a file as input. as I said nothing in sysfs...
[00:47] <persia> Right, that's what get-edid is supposed to output.
[00:48] <neko> yeah I think you are thinking of some other more awesome tool
[00:49] <neko> read-edid hasn't been updated since 2009 and I am damn sure nobody ever made it read edids from anything other than VESA BIOS calls or from /proc/device-tree
[00:49] <persia> No, but I'm relying on received hearsay that the framebuffer support got added, and am installing it on a natty/armel system in parallel to test for myself
[00:50] <neko> maybe I am using release of omap4-extras when I should be using trunk?
[00:50] <persia> I heard that "release" was the software TI wanted everyone to use, and "trunk" was where TI was doing their development work.  As a result, I suspect "trunk" of being unstable.
[00:51]  * persia gets annoyed at read-edid, and tries to figure out why it's broken
[00:51] <neko> well, compiling read-edid's "get-edid" part would be useless on anything but x86 or ppc or sparc right now
[00:51] <neko> and even if you got linux fdts on armel, it wouldnt have edid data in it, u-boot is too stupid to glue the data in
[00:52] <neko> so you have to assume the data is, like any reasonable driver, in /sys
[00:52] <neko> (it is on the efika, on any PC with a radeon.. comes in really handy)
[00:52] <persia> IS that how X's EDID parsing is implmented?
[00:52] <neko> no, X asks DRM CRTC for it
[00:53] <persia> And that gets it from?
[00:53] <neko> or, I should say, X asks the driver, and the driver implements a CRTC, which is usually hooked into a DRM CRTC on the kernel side
[00:53] <neko> it gets it from whatever i2c bus or whacked out method the HDMI controller or so implements
[00:53] <persia> Aha.  That makes sense.
[00:53] <neko> most of 'em just let you read address 0x50 on i2c and it passes the data back
[00:53] <persia> So I suppose what I really want to do is to have X expose this in some useful way, rather than fixing read-edid
[00:53] <neko> on the sii9022 on efika and mx53_loco, you have to ask the sii9022 for it
[00:54] <persia> (and I should stop relying on read-edid to be useful)
[00:54] <neko> X can't know unless the kernel knows
[00:54] <neko> the kernel, here, doesn't know
[00:54] <neko> which makes me think, super-old kernel, or simply super-broken kernel...?
[00:54] <neko> it probably works great on oneiric doesn't it
[00:54] <persia> There's a /usr/bin/decode-edid in i2c-tools, but if you're correct about i2c being nonfunctional, that won't help.
[00:54] <neko> maybe it just needs a backport
[00:55] <neko> well.. I dunno if there's anything nonfunctional
[00:56] <neko> I simply know that glued to the framebuffer driver, on the omapfb side of things, it has a little driver on i2c which is run after framebuffer is initialized, which would read edids, set the controller up for all manner of fancy stuff (like hdmi audio) and put them in a nice place
[00:56] <neko> that's just the only way to do it unless you're a DRM driver in which case, stuff gets reaaaally fancy and they have a slightly less braindead solution for it that is more like X does it
[00:56] <persia> Ah, but that's *after* framebuffer initialisation, so we already have a resolution.
[00:56] <neko> in any case, I don't see any dmesg output that says it has a monitor attached, it doesn't even parse my kernel commandline
[00:57] <neko> and that i2c driver can set whatever resolution it likes
[00:57] <neko> I spent enough time in the ipu3 framebuffer getting the sii9022 to work on the efika to know how it usually works.. and I've seen the omapfb code
[00:58] <neko> however, what is on this pandaboard right now.. doesn't seem to be the code I saw... it seems to be much, much older
[00:58] <neko> like May last year kind of older
[00:58] <persia> What's the last entry in the changelog for the package that provides it?
[01:00] <neko> uhh Bryan Wu, * [Config] Update to <IP_ADDRESS> kernel config and other changes
[01:00]  * persia grumbles at binaries without manpages
[01:00] <neko> 2.6.38-1208.11
[01:00] <neko> April 4, 2011
[01:01] <persia> Hrm.  That isn't quite last year, but that change doesn't look substantive.
[01:01] <neko> well the package may have been built in April but the actual code doesn't seem terribly up to date
[01:01] <neko> I think they might have missed a merge window
[01:02] <neko> what I was looking at that looked workable was like 2.6.39-rc3 or something.. that was way, way after April
[01:02] <neko> but I assume this stuff gets backported
[01:02] <neko> I assume wrong :D
[01:02] <persia> Assumptions are rarely safe.
[01:03] <neko> as a kernel developer and maintainer, product manager of an arm platform, I usually make pretty reasonable assumptions about what our customers want to see, and to be honest, 640x480 isn't it
[01:03] <persia> Some code gets cherrypicked, when it fixes a clearly obvious serious bug with little to no chance of regression as SRU.
[01:03] <StevenK> persia: Speaking of no man pages: http://pastebin.com/gct7GLW9
[01:04] <neko> that's why I bumped 1080p support into the genesi kernel, and kicked someone to write proper hdmi hotplug support.. it seems someone did that at TI too, it just didn't make it into Natty and nobody updated the kernel in an aeon
[01:04] <persia> Most backports are just backports entire, in the -backports repositories, but kernels and modules are almost never put there because of the potential for regressions if userspace fails to match kernelspace.
[01:04] <persia> StevenK: Heh.  Yeah.
[01:05] <neko> it makes me sad how quickly a release gets abandoned
[01:05] <persia> neko: Last update in April sounds like there's stuff needing doing.  I suspect there's some security fixes that *should* have been applied.
[01:05] <persia> If there's a known safe cherrypick to fix some other code, it might be able to get into the same place.
[01:05] <prpplague^2> neko: s/release/girlfriend
[01:05] <neko> 4th April is just squeaking in before Natty code freeze..
[01:05] <persia> Alternately, are you sure there isn'T a new kernel in natty-updates?
[01:06] <neko> well I spent 5 hours downloading and installing 100MB of new packages for the Panda
[01:06] <neko> if it was in updates, I downloaded it...
[01:06] <neko> maybe extras pissed over the top of it?
[01:07] <persia> neko: No, I have the same kernel as you, and I should also be up to date.
[01:07] <neko> hmm nope. but there is a unity update being held back
[01:07] <persia> Someone probably ought prepare an SRU for that, really.
[01:08] <neko> so I'm updated up to the point I can be updated..
[01:09] <neko> An effervescing elephant with tiny eyes and great big trunk once whispered to the tiny ear of one inferior that by next June he'd he'd die.. oh yeah! Because the tiger would roam...
[01:10] <neko> I think Ubuntu missed a trick by not having an Effervescing Elephant release
[01:33] <jeramee> lol
[01:33] <jeramee> Effervescing Elephant
[01:34] <jeramee> well neko any idea how to write programs to utilize touch panel
[01:35] <jeramee> any good links that you could recommend?
[01:35] <neko> absolutely not
[01:36] <neko> I am kind of a low level guy and very high level guy
[01:36] <neko> applications are inbetween, not my thing
[01:38] <persia> jeramee, You might take a look at the utouch package.  It is a metapackage that installs several libraries and tools for working with touch and gestures.
[01:47] <jeramee> nice that is likely all I would need as what I wish to use the touch panel for is not really that sophisticated.  I will check it out thanks for the talk guys.  Now back to circuit design.  Maybe I will full with the ARM some more this weekend.  Is kinda a side hobby.
[01:47] <jeramee> Nice talking to you guys, afk
[01:47] <prpplague> jeramee: as long as your touch panel driver is configure for standard events, it will work fine
[01:49] <persia> Depends what one wants to do, but yeah, for 90% of "touch enabled" applications, standard X pointer events are sufficient.
[01:53] <prpplague> adding fancy touch buttons and such are that hard
[01:54] <jeramee> and for double touch use QT seems
[01:54] <prpplague> doing it as a library or as a generic support, that can get tricky
[01:54] <jeramee> i had browser going other day
[01:54] <jeramee> but really need to build X
[01:54] <persia> What's your processor?  You may be able to just run Ubuntu's X.
[01:55] <jeramee> does utouch require more than basic X
[01:55] <persia> jeramee, "utouch" is just a collection of useful libraries for doing touchy stuff.  If your X and your applications use the same libraries, you get fancy stuff.
[01:56] <persia> If you just want a working touchscreen, that's a driver thing, and X will just do the right thing.
[01:59] <jeramee> I think it is a freescale
[01:59] <jeramee> kinda poor documentation
[01:59] <jeramee> I had a gift card from christmas
[02:00] <jeramee> and knew I could get 800mhz and 8" for like $35
[02:00] <jeramee> so was enough to get started
[02:00] <jeramee> later I will look into a more professional board
[02:10] <jeramee> Marvell’s Armada 168  any associated build problems?
[02:17] <persia> The Armada 168 isn't compatible with Ubuntu: we usually recommend Debian for that.
[02:17] <persia> Freescale's i.MX51x and i.MX53x SoCs should be compatible.
[02:26] <slangasek> anyone looking at the ghostscript build failure? :)
[02:41] <persia> slangasek, Apparently not specifically.
[02:43] <persia> Oh ugh.  Someone sync'd d-shlibs.
[02:43] <slangasek> clobbering an Ubuntu delta?
[02:44] <slangasek> yep, apparently
[02:45] <slangasek> hah, janimo has already identified the fix
[02:45] <slangasek> a new sync of d-shlibs needed
[02:45] <persia> Right.
[02:45] <persia> The d-shlibs patch was always a workaround, and was rightly rejected in Debian Bug #581258
[02:45] <ubot2> Debian bug 581258 in d-shlibs "d-shlibs: typo of the dynamic load library prevents build-dependent packages from building" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/581258
[02:46] <persia> pitti read that, and force-sync'd, without anyone having applied the real fix.
[02:47] <slangasek> doh
[02:47] <slangasek> well, syncing for bug #812155 now
[02:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 812155 in d-shlibs "Sync d-shlibs 0.47 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812155
[02:47] <persia> Aha, and jonas discovered that Debian Bug #548626 was misfixed, causing the entire mess.
[02:47] <ubot2> Debian bug 548626 in d-shlibs "glibc-2.10 on armel introduces new dynamic linker and breaks d-devlibdeps" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/548626
[02:47] <persia> That ought do it.
[02:47] <persia> 0.47 includes the fix for 633933, which is the reapplication of 548626
[02:49] <persia> Mind you, I still think that the bug is really in glibc, but if jonas did it the other way, we may as well respect that.
[02:51] <jeramee> i have problems with glibc sometimes seems kinda buggy
[02:51] <jeramee> and dmks i think
[02:51] <jeramee> but resolved as of now
[02:52] <jeramee> until next time I find something they dont like
[02:57] <jeramee> seems my processor is running ARMv5 any suggestions on what to install on it
[02:58] <persia> Debian.
[06:47] <rsalveti> janimo: bug 812381 and bug 812110 are sync requests to fix arm ftbfs on ubuntu
[06:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 812381 in qutecom "Sync qutecom 2.2.1+dfsg1-1 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812381
[06:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 812110 in klatexformula "Sync klatexformula 3.2.4-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812110
[06:48] <janimo> rsalveti, I have no syncing powers
[06:48] <rsalveti> so need to wait an archive admin I believe
[06:48] <janimo> rsalveti, right, I think it happens daily as there are several adimns shifting
[09:48] <Spider-Pork> i would to get ubuntu on my gumstix overo fire. Is there a prebuild image?
[10:08] <infinity> rsalveti: Done and done.
[10:23] <rsalveti> infinity: great, thanks
[10:55] <jojo11> hey does anyone know if hardware encoders on BeagleBoard-xM are usable unlike the ones on PandaBoard
[13:08] <siji> persia, ping
[13:09] <mahmoh> if I swap out my SD on my panda, is there a way to rescan it like a scsi disk?
[13:34] <ppisati> have anyone used strace to trace a running process?
[14:38] <furibondox> hi guys
[15:53] <mahmoh> where was that bug about USB IO and pinging the ethernet, didn't that get fixed, persia, GrueMaster?  I remember talking about it but I cannot find the bug in question
[15:56] <GrueMaster> I'm not seeing anything in LP.  I think I read about it on the pandaboard mailing list.
[15:58] <mahmoh> we were talking about it last week I think
[16:11] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: http://jeffbastian.blogspot.com/2011/06/storage-speed-on-pandaboard-revisited.html
[16:14] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: Have you tested this recently?  If not, I'll do a quick spot check to see if the problem exists in 1309.14 and file a bug accordingly.
[16:34] <prpplague> GrueMaster: it appears to still be present 3.0-rc
[16:34] <GrueMaster> great.
[16:35] <prpplague> GrueMaster: it doesn't appear to be  lan9514 related
[16:35] <GrueMaster> I'm going to file a bug in our tracker so that we can keep abreast of it.  I'm rerunning jeff bastian's benchmark tests to attach to the bug report for our kernel team.
[16:36] <prpplague> GrueMaster: please detail how you run the test so that i can run them as well
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Has anyone filed a bug upstream?
[16:36] <prpplague> GrueMaster: mrcurious has been following the issue
[16:36] <GrueMaster> Yep.
[16:36] <GrueMaster> It will be in the bug report.
[16:36] <prpplague> GrueMaster: i'll check with him when he is back on irc
[16:38] <GrueMaster> I'll also try to fire up a Maverick install and copy it to a usb drive to see if it exists there as well.  If we can isolate it to a release, we can debug it more readily (in theory).
[16:40] <GrueMaster> prpplague: Do you remember the kernel cmdline for setting mac address?  I have a couple of pandas (A1 & EA1) that share the same die id (thus the same mac).
[16:40] <GrueMaster> Save me having to google for it.
[16:41] <prpplague> GrueMaster: i dont believe upatched kernel support the mac argument
[16:41] <prpplague> GrueMaster: think you have to apply a patch for it
[16:41] <prpplague> GrueMaster: check with robclark , he normally has a good patchset for ti
[16:41] <prpplague> it
[16:41] <GrueMaster> It is in the natty kernel already.
[16:42] <GrueMaster> I'll just look it up.
[16:42] <ppisati> guys, besides janimo, anyone else can test the new ti-omap4 kernel? it's here: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/ti-omap4-next/
[16:43] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Are you aware of this performance bug with USB drives & having to ping the ethernet port?
[16:44] <ppisati> GrueMaster: heard about it long ago
[16:44] <ppisati> GrueMaster: still there?
[16:44] <ppisati> GrueMaster: care to try the new kernel?
[16:44] <GrueMaster> Apparently.  I am trying the 1309.14 kernel on oneiric now.  As soon as I finish the comparison there, I can.
[16:45] <ppisati> cool
[16:45] <ppisati> i tried to fix an audio bug today, but it seems it's a pulseaudio problem
[16:45] <ppisati> so i won't wait anymore, tomorrow i'll push it
[16:46] <GrueMaster> ok
[16:47] <prpplague> GrueMaster: btw, i haven't confirmed it myself, but i was told that the issue presents itself on omap3 boards as well as on some arm9 based boards
[16:48] <GrueMaster> prpplague: If I get around to it, I can try it on an XM.  It would be interesting to see if it is also present on a beagle C4.
[16:48] <GrueMaster> sigh.  So many tests, so little time.
[17:16] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: I think this is the bug on the ping problem - bug 709245
[17:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-linaro "panda: USB disk IO slow" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[17:18] <GrueMaster> interesting.
[17:26] <mahmoh> ppisati: you need that kernel tested, what are the fixes that you're looking to verify?
[17:38] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: 1309-14 - 0.2 MB/s vs. 4.0 MB/s w/ ping flood - the problem still exists, I would say this is higher than Medium too
[17:43] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: What are you running to produce these results?  We need to document them so that they are reproducible (which I am doing now and will add to the bug report).
[17:44] <mahmoh> pts/tiobench
[17:44] <mahmoh> I'm adding a comment to the original bug, and asking to raise the priority too
[17:45] <GrueMaster> Let me know when you have it filed.  I can raise priority and do other bug triage stuff from there.
[17:57] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/709245/comments/6
[17:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 709245 in linux-linaro "panda: USB disk IO slow" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:09] <Guest48215> Hi all, I am working with pandaboard trying to get a video conferencing application to be built on it
[18:09] <Guest48215> I am using ubuntu 10.10 as the 11.04 doesn't seem to contain hardware codecs
[18:09] <Guest48215> I see the panda board to have HDMI and DVI dual display capability
[18:10] <Guest48215> It seems like ubuntu 10.10 does NOT support dual display but the ubuntu 11.04 seems to have support...
[18:10] <Guest48215> Can I get pointer to the dual display patch which I can back port to ubuntu 10.10?
[18:10] <Guest48215> Please correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions
[18:23] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: If you test with the new kernel, use my test as it is quicker to setup and runs faster.
[18:23] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: which test?  I'm testing the new kernel now
[18:23] <GrueMaster> See comment 7 in the above bug.
[18:24] <GrueMaster> I also added the linux-ti-omap4 kernel to the bug.  If you reproduce it on the 3.0 kernel let me know so I can add it as well.
[18:27] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: yeah, the results appear to be the same on the 3.0.0-1 kernel
[18:30] <GrueMaster> Can you post benchmarks on the new kernel?
[19:55] <mahmoh> yes I can but it appears that they are the same a with the 2.6 kernel, no change in IO perf.
[20:00] <GrueMaster> ok
[20:01] <GrueMaster> Just note in the bug that you tried that kernel and I will add it to the top of the bug report.
[20:17] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: Check out http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/arm/2011-June/001412.html
[20:31] <mahmoh> yep, makes sense
[21:03] <mahmoh> so the 3.0.0-1 kernel looks ok - boots, runs IO performance fine - I'm running three boards with it and haven't seen any major issues as of yet
[21:07] <GrueMaster> Still has the USB performance issue though, right?
[21:38] <martyn> The performance of AoE is just POO on arm
[21:43] <GrueMaster> martyn: what are you testing with?
[22:13] <persia> Bug 709245
[22:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "panda: USB disk IO slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[22:14] <GrueMaster> persia: ??
[22:16] <persia> GrueMaster, Got a ping asking for a bug number in backscroll.  Wanted to verify the bug.  Seems like you found it already, looking at more backscroll.
[22:16] <GrueMaster> I'm currently testing to see if it affects Maverick as well.
[22:17] <persia> That's a neat idea.  Maybe it was introduced at some point, rather than being always present.
[22:17] <GrueMaster> I hope so.  Might make it easier to backtrack.
[22:19] <persia> Indeed.  If it was introduced, we can bisect it to the source.
[22:19] <persia> If it is a bug in the initial implementation, there's no guide to the specific code to be fixed.
[22:20] <Jack87|Away> anyone consider ubuntu arm on HP touchpad?
[22:21] <GrueMaster> Jack87|Away: What hardware does it have?
[22:21] <Jack87|Away> its a snapdargon not omap.
[22:22] <persia> Ought work, but someone needs to upload a kernel, as there are none supporting snapdragon in the archive.
[22:22] <Jack87|Away> http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/14077_na/14077_na.pdf
[22:23] <Jack87|Away> by the way... they got xserver running as an app.
[22:27] <Jack87|Away> GrueMaster, check this out... http://yfrog.com/h0galnp
[22:28] <Jack87|Away> those desktop enviorments are an xapp runnin within the touchpad
[22:29] <GrueMaster> Cool.
[22:29] <Jack87|Away> you can see in card view :). I was just wondering if anyone has taken intrest in the device here
[22:31] <GrueMaster> I've been too swamped, and I have a Nook Color to get running ubuntu if/when I can get some spare cycles.
[22:34] <Jack87|Away> GrueMaster, hehe me to.
[22:53] <GrueMaster> Interesting resutls of testing bug 709245 on Maverick.  Not sure that I am doing this right.
[22:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "panda: USB disk IO slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[23:16] <mahmoh> yes, 3.0.0-1 did not change the USB performance/ping issue
[23:17] <Neko> I think it's down to the hub chip in use
[23:17] <Neko> I suggested someone kick around the enhanced TT scheduler and turbo mode on the usb ethernet and it got ignored
[23:18] <Neko> because it has to be some kind of bug in the omap4, apparently.. and nothing to do with kernel options
[23:19] <mahmoh> if someone wants to put in the time, I'll test it for sure
[23:20] <mahmoh> persia: I thought we discussed the USB/ping problem before and someone mentioned that it was fixed in a later kernel - guess not?
[23:22] <infinity> mahmoh: Probably confusion about USB issues.  We had an issue with no USB at all, that's fixed.
[23:24] <mahmoh> it's possible


[20:13] <mup> PR snapcraft#3452 opened: storeapi: decouple auth and API <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3452>


[08:54] <davmor2> xnox: hey dude your G+ app can you update the supported sdk version to 14.04-dev1 and it should then use oxide and be awesome :) you might want to try it out but you will need the latest dev version
[08:56] <ogra_> yeah, pretty pertty please :)
[08:56] <ogra_> (modulo typos)


[09:19] <RikMills> Qt 5.15.9 landing in mantic release pocket :D
[13:26] <guiverc> thanks RikMills :)   (I see it installing on this box now)
[17:12] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230520)


[00:49] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: should I remove the link to the marathon page from the main page menu?
[07:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:29] <nigelb> 35
[09:29] <nigelb> grr
[10:48] <cjohnston> See everyone in a week
[17:32] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: hey, could you please mark this as high priority? https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/1066345
[17:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066345 in summit "Clicking on star should add me to session" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:32] <JoseeAntonioR> or is it wishlist?
[17:53] <daker> bkerensa: http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/10/13/145217/stallman-on-unity-dash-canonical-will-have-to-give-users-data-to-governments
[18:16] <AlanBell> the story that keeps on giving
[18:16] <AlanBell> more to come too, when someone digs into the checkbox that supposedly turns off internet searches in the dash
[18:28] <IdleOne> Sounds like an old man trying to stay relevant by attaching himself to a controversial topic to me.
[18:28] <AlanBell> oh, stallman, sure
[18:29] <IdleOne> I have yet to read any positive comment from him about anything
[18:29] <AlanBell> in fact if Stallman hates it I suspect that will make a lot of people perfectly fine about the whole thing
[18:29] <nigelb> ^
[18:29] <AlanBell> best endorsement yet
[18:29] <IdleOne> In that case, keep on flapping your gums old man.
[18:29] <nigelb> I have my problems with it. But this is not one of them.
[18:30] <AlanBell> he is doing his usual trick of being right, badly.
[18:30] <nigelb> As soon as we added the ability to turn it off and it was told that at release time we'd switch to https, I was okay with it.
[18:30] <AlanBell> yeah, only the turn it off part is bogus
[18:30] <nigelb> aww
[18:31] <AlanBell> well, not bogus in that it does turn that lens off
[18:31] <AlanBell> but the checkbox does not do what the checkbox says it does
[18:31] <nigelb> heh, did they pace up to get the checkbox in becuause of UI freeze?
[18:31] <nigelb> and are working on the functionality now?
[18:32] <AlanBell> not sure
[18:32] <nigelb> worst case we'd have to add an entry into /etc/hosts
[18:33] <nigelb> that's okay ;)
[18:33] <IdleOne> That checkbox disables package usage data being sent back to Canonical doesn't it?
[18:33] <AlanBell> err, no
[18:33] <AlanBell> the checkbox says
[18:33] <IdleOne> Not sure which checkbox we are talking about then
[18:33] <AlanBell> When searching in the dash: include online search results
[18:34] <AlanBell> and as far as I know what it actually does is turn off just the shopping lens (or the scope)
[18:34] <nigelb> ah
[18:35] <AlanBell> any other third party lenses you may have that include online search results are free to read your searches and populate the dash and do evil stuff with your queries
[18:35] <IdleOne> I would prefer Canonical just make it opt in instead of opt out. Well if the lens is disabled with that box, sounds ok to me.
[18:36] <nigelb> Well, the idea is to get revenue from the referrals.
[18:37] <AlanBell> which is fine, and I got a lovely little camera found through the lens
[18:37] <IdleOne> Which is fine by me, but I think we should have the choice to give and not the choice to not give.
[18:38] <nigelb> IdleOne: On the personal belief standpoint, I'm with you.
[18:38] <nigelb> But thinking practically, from the canonical standpoint, I'd want it turned on by default.
[18:38] <nigelb> That way, more users are going to bring referral income.
[18:39] <IdleOne> nigelb: Sure as a business man I understand that also
[18:39] <AlanBell> I probably take a rather odd view, I would rather it was on by default and not disablable with a button that doesn't do what it says
[18:39] <IdleOne> AlanBell: it partially does what it says, it maybe needs to be more clear on exactly what that is.
[18:40] <AlanBell> but there should be a control at some point to whitelist scopes to get global search change events
[18:40] <AlanBell> and lenses shouldn't be able to set visible to false and hide from the lens bar
[18:41] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: it isnt a bug, or a wishlist, its a feature that already exists
[18:41] <nigelb> AlanBell: So, have you played with MITM?
[18:42] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: well, at least not for me
[18:42] <nigelb> AlanBell: http://mitmproxy.org/
[18:42] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: if you click on the star it doesn't take you to a page to mark yourself attending?
[18:42] <AlanBell> ooh that is scary and useful nigelb
[18:43] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: that's the point, it should just mark you, and if you're *very* interested, then you should update it
[18:43] <nigelb> AlanBell: I thought of this when people keep saying HTTPS is secure by default. (For example oauth 2.0 specs)
[18:44] <cjohnston> ehh.. ok, if I reread it, it does say that, it just didn't come across well..
[18:44] <cjohnston> its wishlist and wont be done before uds
[18:44] <cjohnston> unless someone else does it
[18:44] <JoseeAntonioR> I may do it if I find where the star properties are
[18:45] <cjohnston> daily.html
[18:45] <cjohnston> by_*.html
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> ok
[18:48]  * cjohnston is gone for a week
[18:49] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: before you go, what is called when someone marks him/herself as attending?
[18:52] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: ^ ?
[19:00] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: "Attending"
[19:02] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: but is a function in a script or anywhere else called?
[20:39] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: what do you mean?
[20:40] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: when a person marks him/herself as attending and clicks save, is there a function I can call for that?
[20:42] <mhall119> in the code?
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[20:42] <mhall119> there's a view function that the form is sent to, I don't recall the name of it
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> so I can fix bug 1066345 asap
[20:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1066345 in summit "Clicking on star should add me to session" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066345
[20:43] <JoseeAntonioR> erm, let me check
[20:43] <mhall119> ah, to make it ajax-y you'll need to do an HTTP POST using the data from the form
[20:44] <JoseeAntonioR> and the form is {{ form.as_template }}, right?
[20:45] <mhall119> you'll need to check the actual HTML it produces
[20:45] <mhall119> to see what fields and field names you need to send
[20:46] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, checking my local instance atm
[20:46] <JoseeAntonioR> well, not-so local
[20:52] <mhall119> the tricky part is going to be getting around the CSRF token
[20:52] <mhall119> you might need to make a new view to handle the ajax calls
[20:54] <JoseeAntonioR> huh?!
[20:58] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: any idea on how to fix http://summit.joseeantonior.com:8000/uds-r/2012-10-29/ ?
[20:59] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: manage.py migrate
[20:59] <mhall119> we added a new field recently
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> oh
[21:21] <JoseeAntonioR> I think it's participation=ATTENDING
[21:26] <mhall119> that's the model field and value, yes


[07:57] <andrejz> good morning
[08:08] <trijntje> good morning people
[08:57] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[12:25] <RawChid> Good morning
[12:27] <RawChid> Anyone know how I can get/install podiff?
[12:34] <RawChid> Never mind, I found the script
[12:34] <RawChid> dpm, is it an idea to add podiff to the Translations Tools?
[12:36] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, it would be an idea, but I've never seen a fully working implementation of a podiff tool, so it might be a bit of work if you want to create it from scratch
[12:39] <RawChid> At the moment I'm looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~glatzor/podiff/main
[12:41] <RawChid> Looks like there isn't done anything about it in 5 years
[13:00] <askhl> Hello.  TLE and I are working on something related to a 'fully working implementation of a podiff tool'.  What would be the 'requirements' in order for it to be a fully working implementation?
[13:00] <askhl> RawChid, dpm ^
[13:01] <askhl> (I.e. what are your specific needs?)
[13:04] <RawChid> I'm not yet familiar with the podiff tool. Just looking what it does at the moment. FYI, I'm working on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-l10n-tools  and was wondering if we should add podiff to this project (keep all scripts in a central place)
[13:06] <askhl> I thought a podiff implementation was already part of that project
[13:08] <askhl> (I'll be back later)
[13:21] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, I'd be up for keeping podiff in ubuntu-l10n-tools. I was aware of the ubuntu-translator tools project, but I started a new one because I wanted to start from scratch and write all tools in python instead of having shell scripts. At some point though, when ubuntu-l10n-tools is stable and provides a superset of the ubuntu-translator-tools functionality, we should either unify both projects or disable one of them.
[13:22] <dpm> but before moving or forking podiff from ubuntu-translator tools, I'd ask glatzor for permission
[13:22] <dpm> he's the original ubuntu-translator-tools developer
[13:23] <dpm> he maintains aptdaemon these days, and he's usually in #ubuntu-devel
[13:24] <dpm> askhl, I don't have very high requirements on a diff tool for now. Just that I can do 'podiff -u ca.orig.po ca.po' and that it gives me some meaningful output :)
[13:24] <dpm> I remember you guys mentioned you were working on this. Can you remind me where the project is, and what its status is?
[13:46] <RawChid> Okay
[14:02] <askhl> dpm, https://launchpad.net/pyg3t
[14:02] <dpm> ah yes, thanks askhl
[14:04] <askhl> There's a big difference bewteen the stable version and the development version
[14:04] <askhl> should probably finish the ongoing changes and make a release...
[14:06] <dpm> RawChid, so perhaps you should talk to askhl and unify efforts on the podiff tool ^
[14:08] <TLE> who said something about podiff
[14:08]  * TLE looks around
[14:08] <TLE> *G*
[14:10] <RawChid> l
[14:13] <TLE> ahh, sorry I missed the start of the conversation
[14:13] <TLE> you need a podiff for something?
[14:14] <RawChid> Okay, Not really
[14:14] <RawChid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/616725/
[14:14] <RawChid> In case you missed something
[14:14] <RawChid> I was wondering of we could add it to ubuntu-l10n-tools project.
[14:15] <RawChid> But now I understand you are working on that tool.
[14:15] <askhl> TLE, maybe it's time to finally release a new version
[15:36] <andrejz> wov. I just got data from provider of slovenian ubuntu mirror
[15:37] <andrejz> number of visitors has icreased by 40% compared to last year :)
[15:54] <TLE> dpm, RawChid: Ahh, I just catched up with the conversation. The podiff that is a part of pyg3t works (it is used quite a lot in the danish team) and it has a active maintainer (me). pyg3t as a whole is a pet project that Ask and I work on when we want to do some coding. It is pure python and has been written with maintainability in mind (e.g. with a separate po-parser that all modules use). If you want to include scripts I
[15:55] <TLE> askhl: Yeah maybe we should, it is just very bad timing as you know, I'd have way more time to do the cleanup after the changes in the parser in september
[15:55] <TLE> I mean to do the clean up properly
[15:57] <TLE> dpm: RawChid: In stead of including scripts back and forth we could also consider just sharing a PPA
[15:57] <TLE> afk 5 min
[16:00] <askhl> TLE, the only critical stuff is that the obsoletes should be handled properly.  The parser is compatible with everything I think...
[16:00] <askhl> TLE, looks like the first (longest) of your messages may have been clipped
[16:01] <askhl> In any case, I don't think any cleanup is really required.
[16:10] <TLE> ahh I will paste it in parts:
[16:11] <TLE> dpm, RawChid: Ahh, I just catched up with the conversation. The podiff that is a part of pyg3t works (it is used quite a lot in the danish team) and it has a active maintainer (me).
[16:11] <TLE> pyg3t as a whole is a pet project that Ask and I work on when we want to do some coding. It is pure python and has been written with maintainability in mind (e.g. with a separate po-parser that all modules use).
[16:11] <TLE>  If you want to include scripts I humbly think that it is a good place to start. We also have a tool for grepping in pofiles, for xml-checking in po-files and for looking for common errors
[16:12] <TLE> askhl: yeah, it was mainly podiff I would have liked to restructure, but that can wait, lets get together some evening and finish the migration to the new parser up and make a release
[16:29] <RawChid> Okay, thanks for the info.
[17:23] <dpm> Andre_Gondim, are you around?
[17:24] <dpm> I got disconnected a couple of times, so reposting this in case it didn't go through:
 TLE, yeah, it looks good. It looks to me that's already the best place for a podiff tool, since I understand that the aim is for the project to be generic, whereas right now ubuntu-l10n-tools is still a bit Ubuntu-specific (apart from the search tool). If you are interested in feedback, I do have a comment on the project: I'd suggest calling it something more readable than pyg3t, as it's not really catchy or easy to remember, and most import
[17:24] <dpm> antly,
[17:24] <dpm>   it does not say what the project is about
[17:51] <TLE> PYthon GetText Translation Toolkit = pyg3t, and then you read it like py-get, ahh we thought it was so clever
[17:51] <TLE> dpm: ^^
[17:52] <TLE> *G*
[17:52] <TLE> we'll think about it
[17:52] <TLE> anyway
[17:52] <askhl> There's a choice between googlability and legibility.  It's one or the other
[17:53] <askhl> But I suppose a sufficiently obscure proper name would also do
[17:53] <dpm> TLE, yeah, I got it when I went to the LP page :) It's definitely clever, but it sounded a bit cryptic to me. Anyway, just a piece of feedback, I've been looking at the code and it looks nice
[17:54] <TLE> yes, the project is meant to be general
[17:54] <TLE> but since a ppa is fairly ubuntu centric I guess there wouldn't b a problem with sharing a PPA
[17:54] <TLE> who knows
[17:56] <TLE> in any case, maybe the most important thing is that we are still active, and interested in making it do cool stuff,
[17:56] <TLE> so we would be open to suggestions and feature requests as long as they fir within our ideas for the project
[17:58] <TLE> err: fit
[18:00] <TLE> have to reboot, be back in 2 min
[18:09] <TLE> ahh that felt better, I've been stuck in windows all day
[18:24] <dpm> I bet it's like getting out of the matrix ;)


[00:21] <dog> Can someone tell me how to get rid of the clipboard history? I don’t want it
[00:22] <OvenWerks> dog: which version of ubuntustudio are you using?
[00:22] <dog> 20.10 I believe
[00:22] <OvenWerks> You might get the best anser from #kubuntu for that
[00:22] <dog> Yes it’s 20.10
[00:23] <OvenWerks> 20.10 is basically studio over kubuntu
[00:23] <dog> Ugh ok. I couldn’t find anything on google so I’ll go there
[00:23] <dog> Thanks
[00:24] <OvenWerks> dog this is a pretty quiet channel/room whatever
[00:27] <dog> I hate it when no one responds when you have a question
[00:31] <OvenWerks> Most of us leave the irc on for logging and will answer when we next look it
[00:31] <dog> Bruh, there’s 300+ people on #kubuntu and no one is responding. Grr
[00:31] <corrinado[m]> https://askubuntu.com may be your best bet for a quick response dog
[00:32] <dog> Then what’s the point of irc
[00:32] <dog> ?
[00:32] <dog> If the forums are faster
[00:32] <OvenWerks> I can't comment on that, I have not tried to get forum access
[00:33] <corrinado[m]> Being shown as 'on' doesn't mean that someone is watching their IRC flow. Many of those are accounts that stay logged in just so they don't lose continuity of conversation over time. It doesn't indicate eyeballs actively engaged.
[00:33] <dog> I get that but at least one person out of the 300 people should b e able to respond
[00:37] <corrinado[m]> I know you mean well, but that could come across as expectant. It's a normal thing for IRC to be a place where answers rarely come back immediately. Often I see a question come in from someone who just signed in, then 5 minutes later they bounce. All within the time I was on a single phone call with a client. People typically don't log onto IRC as their sole focus.
[00:38] <klstgjklsjhklfdh> Bruh, is there like a discord server or something like that?
[00:38] <dog> Oops, wrong acc
[00:38] <dog> Lol
[00:39] <dog> I meant to say that on this one....
[00:40] <corrinado[m]> for US?  I don't think there is a Discord Server. There is one for Ubuntu proper though. That's where your question would be best placed. Otherwise I find askubuntu.com to be pretty responsive as there are often many folks activily looking for questions to answer.
[00:40] <dog> I’m gonna do whatever I can to not create an account for askubuntu.com
[00:41] <dog> Could you give me a link to the Ubuntu discord server please?
[00:45] <corrinado[m]> I don't think this is official, per-se. But it seems active. Best of luck
[00:45] <corrinado[m]> https://discord.me/ubuntu
[00:46] <OvenWerks> corrinado[m]: too late, they are gone
[00:46] <corrinado[m]> Happy Holidays! OvenWerks 🙂
[00:46] <OvenWerks> To you as well :)
[12:11] <sakrecoer[b]> anybody got links to geonkick patch-libraries?
[13:04] <sakrecoer[b]> found a few in the git repo, are they not present somewhere in the system?
[13:04] <sakrecoer[b]> Curious also if it's a ardour exculsive or something? Carla doesn't find it...
[13:24] <sakrecoer[b]> ok... that was easy :) `/usr/share/geonkick/`
[13:26] <sakrecoer[b]> interesting, only DSoS and DigitalSamba are being detected
[13:31] <sakrecoer[b]> oh, only the `.gkit` file is present in most preset directories. Meaning the `.gkick` files are missing in
[13:36] <sakrecoer[b]> hm... seems they aren't needed. unless one wants to load individual voice...
[13:36] <sakrecoer[b]> i like this geon thing
[13:37] <sakrecoer[b]> gonna try do some kits for it... Could be a fun thing to engage the community, create a ubuntu studio geonkick preset :)
[13:51] <sakrecoer[b]> speaking about community engagement made me wonder how cfhowlett is doing... haven't seen them for a while now...
[17:05] <glocke> hey guys, I've got a problem using pulse bridge (enabled via ubuntu-studio-controls) on ubuntu-studio 20.04
[17:05] <glocke> [...]
[17:06] <glocke> the only software that's running problem is discord: audio playback "stutters" from time to time, but no other pulse-bridged programms have any problems (e.g. VLC works)
[17:06] <glocke> discord support is not a help (giving useless restart-computer advice)
[17:07] <glocke> I'm running 5.4.0-58-lowlatency, CPU i7, 16 GB RAM.. so hardware isn't the issue (especially because everything ran fine on 18.04 before, but I was forced to reinstall for some reason)
[17:08] <glocke> I recorded the pulse-bridge-output with ardour and got some ms of silence in the waveform - again and again. playback continues but is interrupted over and over (giving headache while listening ^^)
[17:08] <glocke> I've got 2 xruns as the stuttering starts, but it doesn't stop (no more xruns occure while stuttering)
[17:09] <glocke> Rob van der Berg on discord (unfa's channel) adviced me to write you here :-)
[17:09] <glocke> quote "This shouldn't be a problem at all. But it is [...] Sounds like a bug or something"
[17:18] <rgh> oh , you're already here lol
[17:34] <glocke> (bug report written, I'm off now)
[17:35] <lilith932> Hi, short question: When entering the Grub menu with ESC while booting I get the grub screen. When I choose "Advanced Options" to choose a different kernel I don't see my kernels listed. Only when I hit ESC and enter the Advanced Options again my kernels appear
[17:35] <lilith932> Could this be a bug?


[23:00] <SpaceBass> Hey folks, I'm having some sssd problems
[23:00] <SpaceBass> When I try and add ldap_krb5_init_creds = true (default) my sssd service won't start


[02:48] <tenach> Is xfce able to remember window locations like GNOME?  It seems to not by default, and it's getting rather frustrating to have every window start aligned to the bottom left corner of my screen.
[11:35] <sajith> sajithkd
[11:36] <sajith> logout
[11:36] <sajith> exit
[11:37] <sajith> quit
[12:48] <paultag_> Morning, all
[12:49] <JoeMaverickSett> yo! morning paultag_
[12:52] <paultag_> morning JoeMaverickSett, sup
[12:52] <JoeMaverickSett> paultag_, i'm cool! how do you do?
[12:54] <paultag_> JoeMaverickSett: sheeeeet, pimp'n ain't shitt today my brotha
[12:54] <JoeMaverickSett> paultag_, =D
[12:54] <paultag_> :)
[13:29] <drubin> paultag: getto?
[13:31] <paultag> drubin: ghetto
[13:31] <paultag> drubin: and fsck() yes
[13:31] <drubin> lolz
[13:31] <drubin> what ever floats your boat
[13:34] <paultag> :P
[15:03] <DarkNemesis> anyone seen bodhi?
[15:04] <DarkNemesis> !seen bodhi
[15:04] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[15:06] <DarkNemesis> party pooper
[15:06] <DarkNemesis> @ubot2
[15:08] <DarkNemesis> anyone here?
[15:09] <shpongle> DarkNemesis, hey there
[15:09] <DarkNemesis> hi
[15:09] <shpongle> DarkNemesis, what's bodhi?
[15:09] <DarkNemesis> bodhi.zazen
[15:09] <DarkNemesis> ie they used t be here i think
[15:10] <uRock> I haven't seen him logged in lately, you may want to try PMing on ubuntuforums.org
[15:11] <DarkNemesis> i need to get a bit of help
[15:12] <DarkNemesis> on the forums ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=671604
[15:12] <DarkNemesis> it gives a guide to secure ff
[15:12] <DarkNemesis> i am doing this
[15:14] <DarkNemesis> but
[15:14] <DarkNemesis> i have issues
[15:15] <DarkNemesis> not me personally
[15:15] <DarkNemesis> the DansGaurdian thing
[15:16] <DarkNemesis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/472211
[15:16] <DarkNemesis> thats the error shpongle
[15:21] <uRock> If you post in the thread, then he may respond to it. Or one of the other security brainiacs.
[15:22] <DarkNemesis> i need to make it ULTRA secure as there are folk who want to hem me
[15:23] <DarkNemesis> where is this server based?
[15:27]  * uRock scratches head, "I don't know."
[16:40] <paultag> hey drubin
[16:43] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[16:45] <paultag> hey Silver_Fox_
[16:45] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: just updated more on my site
[16:46] <Silver_Fox_> Which version paultag  ?
[16:46] <Silver_Fox_> Mobile or Normal ?
[16:47] <Silver_Fox_> paultag,  Pretty good read -http://tinyurl.com/34s9kes
[16:47] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: pault.ag
[16:47] <Silver_Fox_> Though I still prefer smashing mag for news
[16:48] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: yup, good stuff
[16:48] <paultag> Silver_Fox_: http://pault.ag/ <-- added "feed"
[16:48] <Silver_Fox_> *sigh.. so reliant on javascript....
[16:48] <paultag> suck it :P
[16:48] <Silver_Fox_> Apparently I need to allow it to navigate
[16:48] <paultag> JS is still the only way to go  right now
[16:49] <Silver_Fox_>  ;)
[16:49] <paultag> Yeah, you do
[16:49] <Silver_Fox_> I know I do
[16:49] <paultag> it's 2010
[16:49] <paultag> let's just use it already
[16:49] <Silver_Fox_> I shall allow some of it
[16:49] <Silver_Fox_> k
[16:50] <Silver_Fox_> Oh right,  jquery
[16:50] <Silver_Fox_> =)
[16:50] <Silver_Fox_> Nice work
[16:50] <Silver_Fox_> I like it, very clean
[16:50] <paultag> danke
[16:50] <Silver_Fox_> Form and function perfectly married
[16:51] <paultag> thanks :3
[16:51] <paultag> And, on that note, I shall go to starbucks for lunch
[16:51] <paultag> I'll bbl
[16:52] <paultag> always said that in my head as bibbel
[16:52] <paultag> I'll bibbel
[16:52]  * paultag whoosh
[16:53] <Silver_Fox_> Goodbye
[17:01] <duanedesign> Silver_Fox_: howdy.
[17:02] <Silver_Fox_> Hello duanedesign
[17:02] <Silver_Fox_> =)
[17:02] <duanedesign> anything exciting going on with you?
[17:38] <drubin> paultag: I agree with Silver_Fox_ there
[17:38] <Silver_Fox_> I love it when people agree with me ;)
[17:38] <Silver_Fox_> And hey drubin
[17:38] <Silver_Fox_> =)
[17:39] <hobgoblin> drubin :)
[17:39] <drubin> Silver_Fox_: Happens so rarely>?
[17:39]  * drubin is bouncing around before he needs to goout
[17:39] <Silver_Fox_> Most of the time infact, I tend to look at things differently i guess
[17:39] <drubin> adds paul.ag to his javascript allow list
[17:39] <Silver_Fox_> Which can be useful for starting discussions
[17:40] <Silver_Fox_> drubin,  Are you like me , in that js is blocked everywhere by default?
[17:41] <drubin> Yes
[17:41] <drubin> damn straight.
[17:41] <Silver_Fox_> WIN
[17:41] <drubin> and flash, and java
[17:41] <Silver_Fox_> +1
[17:41] <Silver_Fox_> Well flash is going anyway so one less thing to block
[17:42] <abhijit> hello
[17:42] <abhijit> anyone can help in this issue?
[17:42] <abhijit> after removing kde i followed istruction here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome then i started to get pgadmin3 and coldeltie relocation error. all details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542391
[17:43] <abhijit> HELP
[17:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> abhijit: you can swith among KDE and GNOME. you know that?
[17:44] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, yes. you first visit my issue on forum so you can know more.
[17:47] <abhijit> bin1010, can you help me?
[17:48] <abhijit> not its 3rd day. and nu one helps me! :'(
[17:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> abhijit: I cant really find a solution as I had never done anything like that before.
[17:49] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, :(
[17:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> I have KDE too but I use the switcher during the login session
[17:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> Inever tried removing it
[17:49] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, ok
[17:49] <IAmNotThatGuy> I never*
[17:49] <abhijit> hmm
[17:49] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, but no one helps me! :'(
[17:50] <bihari> well i wants to connect my SAMSUNG set with my ubuntu
[17:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> you googled about this problem?
[17:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> bihari: your samsung mobile?
[17:51] <bihari> SGH-B520
[17:51] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, yes. no success.
[17:51] <bihari> The set name is SAMSUNG SGH-B520
[17:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> bihari: try wammu
[17:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> abhijit: I think you have to recover it
[17:52] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, how?
[17:53] <abhijit> hello duanedesign
[17:54] <IAmNotThatGuy> idk whether you can do it or not. Is there anything you backed up?
[17:55] <abhijit> IAmNotThatGuy, yah i can take backup.
[17:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> abhijit: you read this?? "It's possible that the commands might remove some other packages you have since added to the default and want to keep. If that's the case, keep track of which packages those are and reinstall them.  You won't brute force that without MASSIVE computing power
[18:03] <paultag> DarkNemesis: People have clusters that can hardly decrypt that level of security
[18:04] <paultag> abhijit: sec. I'm still thinking
[18:04] <paultag> DarkNemesis: it's out there so if the head of wikileaks is killed or something they give out the password
[18:04] <paultag> DarkNemesis: keep the file around, the password will get released soon, I think
[18:04] <abhijit> paultag, okki
[18:05] <paultag> DarkNemesis: plus, if you decrypt it, the US goverment would most likely shoot you
[18:05] <DarkNemesis> paultag wel. i'm safe
[18:05] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[18:05] <DarkNemesis> i'm not in emeria
[18:05] <DarkNemesis> emerica
[18:05] <abhijit> imerica
[18:05] <paultag> DarkNemesis: Neither was Che
[18:05] <DarkNemesis> [so called cus eminem lives there]
[18:06] <DarkNemesis> or should that be ob-erica as obama is dictaror there
[18:06] <DarkNemesis> paultag i stand no chance breaking it
[18:06] <DarkNemesis> i just want to try
[18:07] <DarkNemesis> someone said it was impossible so i have to try
[18:07] <paultag> DarkNemesis: I mean, you can try, but you won't get help here. The UK is as bad as the USA
[18:08] <DarkNemesis> paultag, do you not not have any idea where i might ask?
[18:08] <paultag> DarkNemesis: I know you are on a Telewst ISP, and they are UK
[18:08] <DarkNemesis> nope
[18:09] <DarkNemesis> wrong
[18:09] <paultag> It's not actually
[18:09] <paultag><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:09] <DarkNemesis> lol ahh i love my distributed netwrk
[18:09] <paultag> DarkNemesis: Ah, so you're proxy'ing?
[18:09] <DarkNemesis> vpn
[18:09] <paultag> Using a proxy is against network guidelines DarkNemesis
[18:09] <DarkNemesis> nope not if you have sasl
[18:10] <paultag> that's not true
[18:10]  * abhijit is watching and waiting....................
[18:10] <paultag> the only exception is the EFF's Tor
[18:10] <drubin> paultag: you would love rails.
[18:10] <DarkNemesis> yup... i have vpn to a server
[18:10] <drubin> just putting it out there
[18:10] <paultag> drubin: I do love rails
[18:10] <drubin> paultag: \o/
[18:10] <DarkNemesis> and on the server i have tor
[18:11] <drubin> got a cool project I want to work on.
[18:11] <paultag> DarkNemesis: neither here nore there
[18:11] <DarkNemesis> clever huh?
[18:11] <paultag> DarkNemesis: not really
[18:11] <DarkNemesis> lol
[18:11] <DarkNemesis> i'm pulling your leg
[18:11] <DarkNemesis> sorry
[18:12] <paultag> DarkNemesis: now i'm going to have to ask you try and get help cracking elsewhere
[18:12] <paultag> DarkNemesis: try a blackhat fourms. Won't get much help around here
[18:12] <paultag> abhijit: I'm not sure, this is quite the odd issue
[18:12] <paultag> abhijit: sec.
[18:13] <DarkNemesis> mmk
[18:13] <abhijit> paultag, ok
[18:14] <paultag> abhijit: I'm at a lost. That's a very odd error, and I'm not sure. It looks like you removed one of the libs that another lib depended on, and it did not figure it out ( not in the dependecies )
[18:14] <paultag> abhijit: You might have to go through and install / remove each one of the things you removed before, and report it to Debian
[18:14] <abhijit> paultag, omg! then i prefer fresh reinstall!!! :D
[18:21] <paultag> abhijit: haha yes, but we need the bug report :)
[18:22] <abhijit> paultag, i submitted bug on luanchpad
[18:50] <morri> hi .
[18:51] <morri> just now before i restarted thelaptop something stranghe happened#
[18:51] <psychicist__> hi
[18:53] <morri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/472292/
[18:54] <morri> just one minute to another it happened and after reboot it was fine again..
[18:59] <psychicist__> I'll have a look at it now
[19:00] <psychicist__> this looks like a very serious kernel bug
[19:01] <psychicist__> related to the usb subsystem
[19:01] <abhijit> paultag, after removing kde i followed istruction here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome then i started to get pgadmin3 and coldeltie relocation error. all details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542391
[19:02] <abhijit> paultag, sorry it was not for you
[19:02] <paultag> no worries
[19:06] <psychicist__> morri, maybe you can file a bug for it at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:11] <morri> ok I'll do that
[19:52] <RealEyes> i have security questions
[19:53] <RealEyes> is there any easy way to secure ubuntu?
[19:54] <pedro3005> secure in what way?
[19:55] <RealEyes> from hackers/crackers?
[19:56] <pedro3005> a server or desktop?
[19:56] <RealEyes> desktop
[19:57] <RealEyes> The program 'root' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:57] <RealEyes> sudo apt-get install root-system-bin
[19:57] <RealEyes> Is this good or bad?
[19:57] <pedro3005> how did you get that message?
[19:57] <RealEyes> i typed in 'root' lol
[19:57] <zkriesse> RealEyes: where
[19:57] <zkriesse> In terminal?
[19:57] <RealEyes> yes
[19:58] <RealEyes> i want to learn learn learn
[19:58] <IdleOne> !noroot
[19:58] <ubot2> We do not support having a root password set. See !root and !wfm for more information.
[19:58] <IdleOne> !root
[19:58] <ubot2> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[19:58] <RealEyes> so ... having no root is a good thing? :/
[19:58] <IdleOne> RealEyes: you don't need root. Lesson 1 complete.
[19:59] <paultag> +1 IdleOne
[19:59] <IdleOne> RealEyes: yes, Ubuntu locks the root account
[19:59] <RealEyes> Lesson 2? :D
[19:59] <paultag> RealEyes: yes, for sure, you say you want to secure your install, don't give access to everything down to the kernel level by enabling root
[19:59] <IdleOne> you don't need it, when you do need root privs you issue commands with sudo
[19:59] <paultag> RealEyes: re-learn lesson #1 after messing up :)
[19:59] <paultag> +1 IdleOne
[20:00] <IdleOne> RealEyes: That was lesson two.
[20:00] <RealEyes> #? :D
[20:00] <IdleOne> the rest will come in time :)
[20:00] <RealEyes> 3*? :D
[20:00] <zkriesse> RealEyes: what sudo does is grant you a temporary pass to be GOD on the system
[20:00] <RealEyes> i realize.
[20:00] <RealEyes> do i need to configure sudo?
[20:00] <paultag> rather then being god :P
[20:00] <paultag> RealEyes: it should be enabled for users in the @admin group
[20:00] <RealEyes> http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html ?
[20:00] <zkriesse> Hello imgarysmith
[20:00] <IdleOne> RealEyes: no need to configure sudo
[20:00] <paultag> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[20:01] <paultag> yeah, it's set up for admin group by default
[20:01] <IdleOne> RealEyes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[20:01] <imgarysmith> ubuntu-artwork
[20:01] <imgarysmith> heya zkriesse
[20:02] <IdleOne> paultag: if I had a nickel for every time someone asked about root....
[20:02]  * zkriesse gives paultag some tea... Sugar?
[20:02] <zkriesse> IdleOne: +1
[20:02] <paultag> IdleOne: darn skippy
[20:03] <paultag> zkriesse: quite alright, no need to ruin good tea
[20:03] <RealEyes> I'm having tea :S
[20:03] <RealEyes> GREEN.
[20:03] <zkriesse> lmao
[20:03] <zkriesse> Green tea is the bomb!
[20:04] <imgarysmith> eww tea
[20:04] <zkriesse> imgarysmith: tea is better than coffee
[20:04] <imgarysmith> paultag theres no sure thing as good tea
[20:04] <imgarysmith> zkriesse coffee rules
[20:05] <RealEyes> where did you guys learn more about the bash shell?
[20:05] <IdleOne> tea may be better for you but I believe that is exactly what makes coffee better
[20:05] <zkriesse> !bash
[20:05] <IdleOne> !bash
[20:05] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[20:05] <zkriesse> haha IdleOne gotcha
[20:05] <IdleOne> !cli
[20:05] <ubot2> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal or type in it: man intro
[20:06] <imgarysmith> can i ask a question?
[20:06] <zkriesse> !ask
[20:06] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[20:06] <IdleOne> imgarysmith: only 1
[20:06] <IdleOne> :)
[20:06] <zkriesse> lol
[20:06] <imgarysmith> idleone then i have already used it up :(
[20:06] <zkriesse> lol
[20:06] <IdleOne> indeed
[20:06] <zkriesse> imgarysmith: Ask away..don't listen to IdleOne he's cranky
[20:06]  * zkriesse pokes IdleOne
[20:06] <imgarysmith> is there a place to download the default ubuntu theme so i can edit it
[20:07] <IdleOne> You can put in a request with the IRCC and see if they will allow another
[20:07] <zkriesse> !theme
[20:07] <ubot2> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[20:07] <IdleOne> imgarysmith: packages.ubuntu.com will have the source
[20:07] <IdleOne> not sure what the name is though
[20:08] <imgarysmith> i want to make my own theme but i want to keep the default as a basis
[20:09] <RealEyes> how quaint
[20:10] <imgarysmith> cant find it in packages
[20:21] <zkriesse> hello satamusic
[20:29] <morri> i ahve got a nice theme looks a bit like basic windows 95
[20:30] <morri> was in the default package in the options i think
[20:51] <kohlers> hello, got no more youtube playback in totem player. anyone may help ?
[20:56] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[21:01] <kohlers> hello
[21:01] <satamusic> hello zkriesse
[21:05] <kohlers> so there's nobody here who could help?
[21:06] <IdleOne> kohlers: without more info on what you may have changed (updates,apps installed) it will be hard to help
[21:07] <Silver_Fox_> kohlers,  What is the query?
[21:15] <satamusic> gotta go-
[21:21] <kohlers> "there has been an error"
[21:21] <Silver_Fox_> Where, when, how did you get that error?
[21:23] <kohlers> within totem i tried to playback a video from youtube
[21:24] <kohlers> the search results display an image allright but to have the video playback "i lag permission"
[21:31] <kohlers> it's a german version so i don't know if you can handle the output...
[21:31] <kohlers> Der Ort konnte nicht geöffnet werden; möglicherweise besitzen Sie nicht die notwendigen Zugriffsrechte, um die Datei zu öffnen.
[21:32] <kohlers> that's what it says...sorry i come here but the german channel is a bit busy right now...
[21:35] <kohlers> google gave me this: Bug 430159
[21:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 430159 in totem (Ubuntu) "when I try to watch youtube, I don't have the rights to do that?? (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/430159
[21:41] <kohlers> :) so how do i get that fix done? just perform an update ? (am i really THAT retarded?)
[21:43] <IdleOne> kohlers: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:53] <kohlers> okay...thx for first...I got to check out some more things here....cya
[22:40]  * Silver_Fox_ is away: I am still watching
[23:12]  * Silver_Fox_ is back (gone 00:32:50)