[05:09] <Hell-Razor> that thing is pathedic
[05:09] <tritium> Dull404, look into deborphan
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i only need the text bash anyway
[05:09] <Quarupt> anyone know a good howto on howto set up an ftpd?
[05:09] <back_east> ells: My card won't scan, so it can't use netapplet anyway
[05:09] <windows-farhan> so it files
[05:09] <windows-farhan> flies
[05:09] <Dull404> tritium, deborphan is an app?
[05:09] <ells> back_east, appreciate it, will try to fix
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i just want to install u
[05:09] <infornography> Can I use the ubuntu live CD to reinstall grub?
[05:09] <windows-farhan> ubuntu
[05:09] <windows-farhan> i wana
[05:09] <tritium> Dull404, yes
[05:10] <windows-farhan> but i'm not sure if speakup is in it yet
[05:10] <windows-farhan> hm
[05:10] <windows-farhan> for debian i had to download a special iso
[05:10] <windows-farhan> and it was floofy and bad3me and was as big as a kitchen sing
[05:10] <windows-farhan> sink
[05:10] <Dull404> tritium, can it be set up to be run automaticly when i use synaptic/apt-get/aptitude ?
[05:11] <windows-farhan> whats apt-titude?
[05:11] <windows-farhan> ?
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> wow, check this out ... http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/index-en.html - click the TouchGraph Google link at the top... cool way to  see what people are looking for
[05:11] <tritium> Dull404, I don't know.  You'll have to read the docs.  I imagine so.
[05:11] <windows-farhan> yah if you go to linux-speakup.org you'll find info
[05:11] <windows-farhan> well if you guys don't no anything. i'm out piece..
[05:11] <back_east> ells: good luck
[05:11] <Dull404> tritium, ok thanks
[05:12] <tritium> Dull404, sure.  Sorry I can't tell you more.
[05:12] <back_east> Night everyone (queue discussion of time in various zones).
[05:12] <tritium> And I agree that automatic orphan removal would be cool.
[05:13] <SiRrUs> there fixed :)
[05:14] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[05:14] <FX|Laptop> what would be the command in a terminal be to see what version of gnome you have?
 <poke> anyone alive?
[05:15] <geppy> no
[05:15] <geppy> dpkg -l | grep gnome
[05:15] <geppy> can you not just use the about box?
[05:16] <nanaem> just installed the game Enemy Territory. can't get any sounds. /dev/dsp: Input/output error, Could not mmap /dev/dsp. i'm kinda new to linux, so if anyone have an idea of getting this to work, please tell me in a very newbish way how to solve it, hehe.
[05:16] <geppy> nanaem: killall esd
[05:16] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[05:16] <geppy> nanaem: The problem is that the esd sound server is taking up your sound device.
[05:16] <FX|Laptop> geppy I could I just want to see for sure if its gnome 2.10 thats in the hoary repos.
[05:17] <nanaem> k, i'll try it. thx
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/5210  There, badgered the list about it.
[05:17] <tritium> Dull404, in synaptic, see the "Status" section for "Installed (local or obsolete)" and "Not installed (residual config)"
[05:18] <Quarupt> wine spawned a window and i killed the parent, but it left a window open? how to kill it?
[05:19] <tritium> Quarupt, if you can't kill it using the kill command and its variants, try xkill
[05:19] <lunitik> Quarupt: ps -e  <-- see if you see what is being annoying... then 'pkill -9 that'
[05:19] <FX|Laptop> geppy, thanks for the command.
[05:19] <geppy> FX|Laptop: No problem.
[05:19] <ells> tritium: I think that the gnome applet is built into the network connection manage in the applet
[05:19] <geppy> Quarupt: killall -9 wine
[05:19] <geppy> Quarupt: killall -9 wineserver
[05:19] <lunitik> Quarupt: -9 is basically 'DIE DEAD YOU PEACE OF SHIT' *nods* ... its like you're a god, I love it  :)
[05:20] <geppy> erm, sorry for being redundant, wasn't looking at the latest ones
[05:20] <Xappe> ohoh, my first sftp upload istaking place right now
[05:20] <tritium> ells, say again?
[05:20] <geppy> On the other hand, nothing can kill grip when it dies.
[05:21] <Quarupt> cool
[05:21] <Quarupt> thx
[05:22] <ells> tritium: I think that the gnome applet is built into the network connection manage in the applet
[05:22] <ells> tritium: for seeing wireless networks
[05:22] <ells> tritium: there is a drop menu when you go in
[05:23] <tritium> ells, I don't know.  I don't use it.  I tried netapplet instead
[05:23] <yoko-omo> in hoary, I installed the nvidia-glx drivers
[05:23] <yoko-omo> how do I change resolution?
[05:23] <ells> tritium: thanks
[05:23] <lunitik> yoko-omo: depends how good your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is...
[05:23] <tritium> ells, was there a question?
[05:24] <yoko-omo> lunitik: pardon?
[05:24] <lunitik> yoko-omo: if its decent... you can go to Computer > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[05:24] <lunitik> else you have to edit that file
[05:25] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[05:25] <yoko-omo> lunitik: in hoary?
[05:25] <yoko-omo> there is no XF86 in hoary
[05:25] <tritium> yoko-omo, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf in Hoary
[05:25] <lunitik> yoko-omo: gah... kinda, cept /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:25] <lunitik> yoko-omo: else, yes... exactly the same.
[05:25] <yoko-omo> ok
[05:26] <yoko-omo> do I modify the modes then ?
[05:26] <lunitik> yoko-omo: yes... follow the format already there...
[05:26] <tritium> yoko-omo, you should first attempd "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:26] <tritium> attempt
[05:27] <lunitik> yoko-omo: ie... just add the new resolution to the beggining of the list of modes
[05:27] <QMario> What is an equivalent program to Adobe Photoshop in Ubuntu?
[05:27] <tritium> Before trying to hand-edit the file
[05:27] <rriche> oh man.. this is sick.. comeon windows.. let's see you let me run World of Warcraft in one workspace and swap to the other with no interruption and use firefox or chat or anything else :)
[05:27] <lunitik> tritium: wouldn't help enless you have him 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and set to 'low'...
[05:27] <lunitik> tritium: simply wouldn't ask.
[05:27] <tritium> lunitik, it's always the safe first attempt
[05:27] <QMario> Does anyone know?
[05:28] <tritium> lunitik, he can use -plow if necessary
[05:28] <Quarupt> grrr, anyone know what to do when wine needs the Install shield to install sometjing?
[05:28] <lunitik> Quarupt: kick it and cry lots
[05:28] <tritium> Quarupt, winetools
[05:28] <Quarupt> cool
[05:28] <Quarupt> thx
[05:28] <yoko-omo> if I knew what any of this meant
[05:29] <yoko-omo> I tried to switch to hoary before and everything crashed :(
[05:29] <bskahan> anyone know if daniels x40 acpi packages are relevant in hoary?
[05:29] <Quarupt> tritium, you know package name?
[05:29] <lunitik> yoko-omo: no need to understand right now... just add the new resolution to your xorg.conf
[05:29] <lunitik> yoko-omo: if your HSync and VSync don't like it though, then you can worry about what tritium is saying...
[05:30] <lunitik> else its just overkill
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: ping
[05:30] <tritium> Quarupt, it's not yet in universe, so get it from: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:30] <SiRrUs> lol
[05:30] <yoko-omo> to all of them?
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: still slowiness in hoary with xorg?
[05:30] <Quarupt> thx
[05:30] <tritium> stuNNed, since when?
[05:30] <lunitik> yoko-omo: no point... see where it says "Default Depth"  "24"?
[05:30] <SiRrUs> nope the updates tonight seem to have fixed the issue
[05:30] <stuNNed> SiRrUs: aha!
[05:30] <lunitik> yoko-omo: it will use that first... so just add it to that one
[05:31] <SiRrUs> tritium since about Tuesday
[05:31] <tritium> SiRrUs, hmm, didn't experience that here
[05:32] <thr1ce> what version of xorg is it up to?
[05:32] <lunitik> yoko-omo: in fact, you can remove that... and also, remove any resolutions listed you don't want... this way it forces it to do what you told it to do   :)
[05:32] <SiRrUs> yeah must be nice :) i just took i think 90 uodates and all seems fine prior to them cpu usage was around 35% steady
[05:32] <lunitik> yoko-omo: that = all depths but 24
[05:32] <SiRrUs> now back down to 1-3%
[05:32] <tritium> interesting
[05:32] <QMario> Does Adobe work with WINE?
[05:32] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:32] <Amaranth> wait, adobe what?
[05:32] <SiRrUs> yeah but all is good now
[05:32] <Quarupt> can anyone go here and tell me from that info what apt line would look like http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:33] <yoko-omo> ok, but how do I switch it now?
[05:33] <yoko-omo> I added it to the 24
[05:33] <yoko-omo> but I don't see where I can switch it
[05:33] <tritium> Quarupt, it's right there on the page
[05:33] <lunitik> yoko-omo: restart X
[05:33] <thr1ce> restart x
[05:33] <tritium> Quarupt, it even has a screenshot from synaptic
[05:33] <Quarupt> no it gives the two fields
[05:33] <thr1ce> what version of x.org does hoary use ?
[05:34] <Quarupt> my synaptic doesnt look like that when ya click add you have to click custom, then it asks for an APT line
[05:34] <tritium> Quarupt, look again
[05:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: 6.8.2
[05:34] <yoko-omo> ok, so I have to log off?
[05:34] <Quarupt> why is my APT different
[05:34] <thr1ce> crimsun, and that JUST got updated to 6.8.2?
[05:34] <lunitik> Quarupt: try ''deb http://wine.souceforge.net/apt binary ./'
[05:34] <Quarupt> i mean my Synaptic
[05:34] <Quarupt> thx
[05:34] <tritium> Quarupt, also, look near the bottom
[05:34] <crimsun> thr1ce: ~5 days ago
[05:35] <lunitik> Quarupt: gah... it says 'deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/'
[05:35] <lunitik> Quarupt: what I said should work also though.
[05:35] <Quarupt> it did thx
[05:35] <SiRrUs> thr1ce Ubuntu all the way ;)
[05:35] <thr1ce> SiRrUs, any convincing reasons?  slackware is so fast and stable...
[05:36] <lunitik> thr1ce: slack sucks... but Ubuntu uses GNOME... I thought Slack users hated GNOME?
[05:36] <thr1ce> lunitik, if you can in any way tell me why "slack sucks"
[05:36] <Quarupt> but howcome my synaptic doesnt look the same, it did in warty, when adding a custom repository it had 3 fields, but in Hoary it just says enter APT line?
[05:36] <tritium> Quarupt, you didn't read the to the bottom of the page?
[05:36] <regeya> switched to using xfce4...switched back to using mozilla and mozilla mail...I'm much happier. :-D
[05:36] <lunitik> thr1ce: Its like LFS, only without the control.
[05:36] <SiRrUs> lunitik I didnt think it sucked actually I liked it alot. But Ubuntu is hmmmm "Ubuntu"
[05:36] <thr1ce> lunitik, then you have NEVER used slack if you think it lacks control
[05:36] <crimsun> thr1ce: the first packaging revision of 6.8.2 actually took place on/prior to Feb 12th
[05:36] <regeya> slack does not suck.  I firmly believe that the complexity of debian-style systems makes something like apt not only nice but a necessity
[05:37] <thr1ce> slack uses excellent package management- ls /var/log/packages; lol
[05:37] <lunitik> thr1ce: compared to LFS? hah...
[05:37] <Quarupt> tritium, i fully understand that is has an APT line at the bottom, im asking why my synaptic is different from the screenshot
[05:37] <thr1ce> lunitik, I have more control over my system than you do on ubuntu, actually
[05:37] <regeya> this "fine-grained" business gets a little silly at times.  how many people, for instance, would install konqueror without wanting any more of kde than was the bare necessity to run konq...*shrug*
[05:38] <thr1ce> lunitik, you let apt do everything for you; I know EXACTLY what's going on with my system
[05:38] <tritium> Quarupt, I ask because you asked for the line to put in your sources.list
[05:38] <lunitik> thr1ce: Slack is for people with too much time on there hands... just like Gentoo is for people with too many clock cycles to waste
[05:38] <regeya> wow, that comment speaks of complete ignorance of how slack works.
[05:38] <regeya> and another.
[05:38] <thr1ce> lunitik, slackware installs in less than 20 minutes
[05:38] <yoko-omo> thanks lunitik
[05:38] <Quarupt> tritium, yea because my Synaptic asks for an APT line instead of having the 3 fields like it used to
[05:38] <lunitik> thr1ce: and its useful in less than a year *g*
[05:38] <thr1ce> ?
[05:38] <regeya> otoh, systems like ubuntu set up a happy set of defaults so that when something goes wrong, the user has no f-in clue how to fix it.
[05:39] <thr1ce> lunitik, please stop unless you speak from experience
[05:39] <thr1ce> lunitik, it is obvious you have never touched a slackware system
[05:39] <tritium> Quarupt, the second-to-last section describes it textually
[05:39] <regeya> if we're b.s.ing, I thought I'd throw something out that someone would identify with ;-)
[05:39] <thr1ce> lol
[05:39] <lunitik> thr1ce: nothing works in Slack after first install. There is no hardware detection... there is no 'value added' features... it is basically LFS
[05:39] <crimsun> let's try and keep the distro-snuffing out of the channel, thanks.
[05:39] <SiRrUs> ok guys stop the bashing  both Distros are very good
[05:39] <tritium> Quarupt, maybe that's an older version of synaptic, or the version in debian, or something.  Forget the screenshots
[05:40] <Quarupt> well i used to have the 3 fields
[05:40] <thr1ce> lunitik, tell me specifically waht didn't work
[05:40] <thr1ce> lunitik, you mean that you had to do things specifically for your system ?
[05:40] <regeya> lunitik, you're a sad person.
[05:40] <Quarupt> and was wondering why it changed cause the 3 fields are easier for us newbs
[05:40] <regeya> sorry
[05:40] <tritium> Quarupt, I never use synaptic, so I wouldn't remember.
[05:40] <thr1ce> I mean...I am looking for info; not a simple "slackware sucks" from someone that was either to incomprehensive, or lacks total experience
[05:41] <tritium> Quarupt, but opening it up now, I see you can set the visible columns in the preferences
[05:41] <lunitik> thr1ce: pretty much anything... sound, mouse wheel, cam, mic... any peripherals really... floppy... cdrom... everything needed to be hand configured
[05:41] <crimsun> thr1ce: let's keep it on-topic, please.
[05:41] <thr1ce> to say that the OLDEST linux distro "doesnt' work" is truely pushing it
[05:41] <crimsun> lunitik: you, too, thanks.
[05:41] <regeya> lunitik, iirc, recent versions of slack do indeed have hardware detection...at least, the last time I installed slack I found that those things worked.
[05:41] <Quarupt> GRR it still says it needs windows install shield!!!!
[05:41] <tritium> slack worked just fine, even back in 1993
[05:41] <thr1ce> crimsun, sorry...probably getting into it :)
[05:41] <regeya> indeed.
[05:42] <tritium> Quarupt, did you actually run winetools yet?
[05:42] <Quarupt> maybe i need to reconfigure wine or something?
[05:42] <Quarupt> i used synaptic to install it?
[05:42] <Quarupt> oh i need to run it?
[05:42] <lunitik> crimsun: gah... you're no fun  :(
[05:42] <woodwizzle> Hello
[05:42] <tritium> Quarupt, yes, of course ;)
[05:42] <woodwizzle> Is Hoary still going to be ext3?
[05:42] <lunitik> woodwizzle: yes
[05:42] <regeya> lunitik, your comments seem to indicate an ignorance of slack-related matters or an attempt to gather flames.  since I didn't use slack for long the last time I did an install, I can't comment of the former theory.
[05:42] <lunitik> woodwizzle: by default.
[05:42] <thr1ce> lunitik, for your info, all hardware is detected fine; sound you set up through alsa, mouse wheel through a simple conf. file (to specifiy mouse to work perfect for your systym)
[05:43] <lunitik> regeya: thr1ce: I believe we were asked to drop it?
[05:43] <woodwizzle> lunitik: Ah, so if I set up the partitions and filesystems myslef I could use reiserfs?
[05:43] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[05:43] <thr1ce> i'm not trying to start a flame war at all; I think ubuntu is developming very smoothly; thus my curiosity
[05:43] <lunitik> woodwizzle: yes...
[05:43] <SiRrUs> let it go
[05:43] <Quarupt> do i need to run the base setup?
[05:43] <tritium> Quarupt, they apparently didn't check off the same columns to be visible that you're used to seeing.
[05:43] <tritium> Quarupt, yes, it tells you what to do
[05:43] <Quarupt> ok, in winetools i dont see install shield?
[05:44] <regeya> if we want to talk about ease of upgrade, then heh, slack fails it.  but it's great for things like server installations and other systems that you probably won't touch often.  and that's all I'll say about that.
[05:44] <thr1ce> regeya, a simple rsync and upgradepkg *.tgz :)
[05:44] <woodwizzle> I'm installing the latest beta hoary CD right now. I've never tried Ubuntu before.
[05:44] <thr1ce> and yes, we hate gnome -_-
[05:44] <thr1ce> i would use flux on ubuntu, but it hasn't been updated for a few releases :(
[05:45] <_quinton> how do you configure GNOME to use other window managers?
[05:45] <regeya> thr1ce, a hate of gnome is a healthy hate, really...but I shouldn't admit that here :-}  the ubuntu devs must be patient indeed
[05:45] <_quinton>  I tried changing it in GConf, but it didn't work
[05:45] <lunitik> thr1ce: I'm thinking maybe Ubuntu isn't the distro for you... grap a debian-installer netinst image, and install from that.
[05:45] <thr1ce> well, I like gnome alot; it's just extremely bloated; when I run fluxbox, i have 50 processes running
[05:45] <tritium> regeya, patient about what?
[05:46] <thr1ce> and gnome is what, near 70?
[05:46] <woodwizzle> _quinton, every WM is a little different with the way you get it to work with gnome. What wm are you trying to use?
[05:46] <_quinton> how do you configure gnome for other window managers? like fluxbox?
[05:46] <lunitik> thr1ce: same thing, you may want to add an Ubuntu archive though to use Xorg.
[05:46] <regeya> _quinton, essentially if you have a compliant windomanager, open the session manager and a terminal; remove metacity from the list of items in the session, fire up another windowmanager from a terminal, make sure your wm of choice is set to auto-respawn, and you're golden.
[05:46] <Quarupt> tritium, everything i try fails?
[05:46] <thr1ce> lunitik, yes, but the fluxbox package is out of date
[05:46] <lunitik> _quinton: just killall oldwm ; newwm
[05:46] <crimsun> excellent, blackbox 0.70 is finally out.
[05:46] <woodwizzle> you can also try switchdesk. That works with opebox i'm pretty sure
[05:46] <thr1ce> lunitik, but yes, I would use x.org in a heart beat
[05:47] <_quinton> ok
[05:47] <tritium> Quarupt, such as?
[05:47] <regeya> lunitik, but if your oldwm is set to respawn...
[05:47] <woodwizzle> What does blackbox have over openbox?
[05:47] <Quarupt> DCOM98, Install shield
[05:47] <thr1ce> woodwizzle, based on the same code, they just work a little different
[05:47] <Quarupt> isnt there a way to see a like fake desktop?
[05:47] <lunitik> thr1ce: same in Ubuntu as Debian... 0.9.9 is in Sid and Hoary  :/
[05:47] <thr1ce> lunitik, yes; and HUGE improvements were made in 0.9.12
[05:48] <lunitik> regeya: it won't if newwm is ran...
[05:48] <maximaus> crimsum, just compiled the new bb. It's certainly speedy. Cant find a pager to go with it though (graphical)
[05:48] <crimsun> clamoring for 0.9.12, eh?
[05:48] <lunitik> thr1ce: cool, then compile it yourself?
[05:48] <thr1ce> xwmconfig will change WM's
[05:48] <regeya> lunitik, I suppose I was incredibly unlucky when I tried that method, then.
[05:48] <woodwizzle> I wish the bb devs would switch to openbox then and keep it alive =)
[05:48] <thr1ce> lunitik, but this apt-get system is supposed to help me get away from that... -_-
[05:49] <crimsun> I can look into updating fluxbox in universe if there's significant interest.
[05:49] <lunitik> thr1ce: not really... use debhelper and friends  :/
[05:49] <thr1ce> hehe
[05:49] <lunitik> thr1ce: so long as dpkg knows about it... you're safe to do whatever you want.
[05:49] <maximaus> thr1ce, some things are so easy to compile that .. well.. why not? LOL
[05:49] <tritium> use cdbs!
[05:49] <Quarupt> tritium, keeps saying wine has terminated with a failure of 1 or something?
[05:50] <thr1ce> i guess learning on a non-user friendly distro has plagued my visiosn
[05:50] <thr1ce> visions
[05:50] <tritium> Quarupt, I don't know what would be causing that, except perhaps http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/17/1318212&tid=125&tid=109&tid=106
[05:50] <lunitik> thr1ce: hell... even if dpkg doesn't know... /usr/local is ignored.. dump stuff you compile there...
[05:51] <lunitik> thr1ce: Debian is supposedly non-user friendly... Ubuntu is just Debian with a starting point.
[05:51] <Quarupt> okay i got it
[05:51] <Quarupt> but now it says its not supported in win98
[05:51] <Quarupt> grr
[05:51] <thr1ce> lunitik, no...ubuntu is very user-friendly
[05:51] <thr1ce> imo
[05:51] <Quarupt> is there a way to make it think its 2k?
[05:51] <regeya> going back to tritium: when I was a happy gentoo user, it seemed like it was 1000x easier to break gnome than it was to break kde...seemed like you needed to keep up on gnome development just to make sure you had all the right deps...I dunno, maybe it's a heckuva lot easier than I think it is to put together a stable gnome desktop. :-/
[05:51] <lunitik> thr1ce: like I said... its Debian with a starting point!
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, yeah...i've never used a debian system :(
[05:52] <lunitik> thr1ce: if you have Ubuntu installed... then you have.
[05:52] <crimsun> does anyone use fluxbox 0.9.12 w/ imlib2 support enabled?
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, just a liveCD
[05:52] <regeya> thr1ce, aw, go ahead, give it a shot. :->
[05:52] <lunitik> thr1ce: oh... then yeah... you haven't played with dpkg and apt... so it doesn't count.
[05:52] <Quarupt> tritium, is wine only works for 98 progams? cause this program needs 2k or higher
[05:52] <thr1ce> lunitik, a little bit; not dpkg
[05:53] <ukilledkenny> can anyone condense the lines : cd /opt/LimeWire/ and java -jar LimeWire.jar ...into one line
[05:53] <crimsun> java -jar /opt/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar
[05:53] <ukilledkenny> doesnt work for some reason
[05:53] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg has some nice little tricks  :)   as does apt... like 'apt-get moo', a personal favorate  :)
[05:53] <tritium> Quarupt, no
 it says ./dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages failed the MD5 checksum
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> suggestions
[05:53] <tritium> Quarupt, change your settings
[05:53] <bluefoxicy> ?
[05:53] <crimsun> maybe the current dir needs writable privileges?
[05:54] <Quarupt> tritium, how? in the config the highest ot goes is 98 i thought
[05:54] <thr1ce> lunitik, apt seems very nice and simple; is it efficient?  like, leaving behind useless files, etc.?
[05:54] <ukilledkenny> crimsun, its actually part of a shell script the executable section when i click on the LimeWire icon
[05:54] <lunitik> thr1ce: depends how kind the maintainer was  :)   apt just does what its told  :0
[05:55] <crimsun> thr1ce: there's always deborphan
[05:55] <Quarupt> oh that just look and feel
[05:55] <tritium> Quarupt, edit .wine/config
[05:55] <lunitik> thr1ce: for the most part, the pre and post install scripts in the .deb will clean up everything nicely  :)
[05:55] <helloyo> is there a way to get ubuntu to tell my powersupply to shut down? some distros seem to do this
[05:55] <thr1ce> lunitik, I figured as much
[05:55] <Quarupt> tritium, what line?
[05:55] <crimsun> helloyo: you need working apm/acpi support in-kernel
[05:56] <helloyo> crimsun, is this something that 4.10 doesn't have?
[05:56] <tritium> Quarupt, the "Windows" = line
[05:56] <lunitik> thr1ce: a .deb is basically a .tar.gz with a few fancy scripts for easy transition between versions (the part that slack doesn't have really)
[05:56] <Quarupt> whats the string for 2k?
[05:56] <crimsun> helloyo: the kernel version in warty (4.10) didn't support acpi for my particular motherboard
[05:56] <tritium> Quarupt, it's in the file.
[05:56] <Quarupt> and i cant find that file is it somewhere in my home?
[05:57] <thr1ce> lunitik, actually, slack has a very efficient upgrade command that works wonders
[05:57] <helloyo> crimsun, well i'll give 2.6.7 ago (meaning to get a 686 one anyway)
[05:57] <pe7er> hi... i have a stange problem - when i do a ping to somewhere as a user i get this error: "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted". (sudo ping... works) i did of course google but those answers seemed very specific, i didn't mess with those settings! ubuntu is warty plus backports plus some more, but nothing 'system-critical'. i did apt-get dhcp, wondershaper and stuff because i wanted to route all network traffic through it once, but ha
[05:57] <pe7er> ve removed it since. any ideas?
[05:57] <lunitik> thr1ce: I have talked to people that haven't reinstalled for over 5 years, but have kept the newest versions of everything... the true reason Debian is so popular imo... Slack, Fedora... you must reinstall for new versions to not break things usually...
[05:58] <thr1ce> lunitik, wrong; slack is one of the most upgradable available, actually
[05:58] <lunitik> thr1ce: as easy as 'apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[05:58] <thr1ce> lunitik, people having desktop uptimes of up to 100 days (the most i've seen is 460) while runnign the latest isn't unreasonable
[05:58] <deeznut1> anyone here successfully using a Netgear MA111 USB wireless NIC?  please /msg me!!
[05:59] <lunitik> thr1ce: I am disappointed when my uptime is below 100 days.
[05:59] <Quarupt> tritium, i found /.wine/conf  but that looks like the registry??
[05:59] <thr1ce> lunitik, rsync to a mirror (like your update from apt-get); then upgradepkg *.tgz (your dist-upgrade)
[05:59] <lunitik> thr1ce: I've seen over 1000, but I'm not sure how useful that machine was... something tells me it wasn't doing much.
[05:59] <tritium> Quarupt, good, glad you found it
[05:59] <helloyo> i can never get uptimes that high, i'm not good enough to fix some problems that rebooting fixes
[06:00] <deeznut1> does Warty natively support reading FAT 32 drive volumes?
[06:00] <pe7er> deeznut1: yes
[06:00] <crimsun> deeznut1: yes
[06:00] <lunitik> thr1ce: and that will translate changes to config mechanisms (like the change from exim 3 to 4) etc?
[06:00] <regeya> okeydoke...wonder if I have some evil extension installed for firefox...mozilla starts faster than firefox. :-/
[06:00] <pe7er> crimsun: :)
[06:00] <deeznut1> pe7er:  why does /dev/hda show up with a red X on the icon?
[06:00] <helloyo> i use firefox heaps, but to me it doesn't seem that great compared to some others
[06:01] <thr1ce> lunitik, yep; it searches for the installed package, removes it, removes useless files, and installs a fresh copy, all in one command
[06:01] <tritium> helloyo, heaps?  is that an extension?
[06:01] <regeya> yeah, helloyo; it looks better, it's a browser and only a browser...have I missed something?
[06:01] <lunitik> thr1ce: no... I said *translates* config files... ie, adapts old config files to new layout etc... so you don't have to start over with configuration
[06:02] <pe7er> deeznut1: i don't know, but you might find out if you enter 'mount' in the shell -- maybe its mounted read only?
[06:02] <helloyo> regeya, well it crashes quite a lot (not as much in ubuntu, but it did just segfault), and it can get slow
[06:02] <Quarupt> tritium, thats the filr? the fake registry?
[06:02] <thr1ce> lunitik, oh, yes!  definitely; that will upgrade your package; config files are kept in the ~/.xxx folder, which is left untouched
[06:02] <regeya> it's just a bit disturbing that mozilla seems to have made great strides in the last year or so, but it's definitely not the media darling that firefox is
[06:02] <tritium> Quarupt, it's the ~/.wine/config file
[06:03] <regeya> which is weird since firefox was supposed to be the dev branch to improve mozilla :-}
[06:03] <QMario> Bye everyone, thank you for the help!!!:-D
[06:06] <tritium> good night
[06:06] <tritium> Quarupt, good luck, and good night.
[06:08] <pe7er> hm, no ideas about "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted" error? i'd ignore it if somebody would tell me it isnt interferring with my p2p connectivity...
[06:09] <pe7er> (it's past 6am over here and i crave for some sleep)
[06:11] <ukilledkenny> question: how do add an entry of a newly installed package onto Applications>Internet
[06:11] <ukilledkenny> on hoary
[06:11] <thr1ce> right click
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[06:11] <thr1ce> hi
[06:12] <ukilledkenny> anyone?
[06:12] <thr1ce> right
[06:12] <thr1ce> click
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: whats the prob. ?
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> thr1ce, no adding options
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> question: how do add an entry of a newly installed package onto Applications>Internet
[06:13] <OC_ZzZZZzZ> or fn+f12 if you are on an ibook ;)
[06:13] <thr1ce> ukilledkenny, right click, i'm tellin ya
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: hoary or warty ?
[06:13] <crimsun> ukilledkenny: is it not in the Debian menu either?
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> hoary
[06:13] <ukilledkenny> im not sure abt the debian menu
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: thr1ce is wrong. have a look at "/usr/share/applications"
[06:14] <thr1ce> ..
[06:14] <crimsun> you can't edit the menu in hoary.
[06:14] <crimsun> you can in warty.
[06:14] <thr1ce> um...it should be a gnome related thing; why would the version change matter?
[06:14] <crimsun> (yes, you can use .desktop files in hoary)
[06:14] <crimsun> thr1ce: because that logic was ripped out of the source.
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> i created a LimeWire.desktop file
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> similar to the others
[06:14] <ukilledkenny> but it isnt executing
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> hey, when are we gettin acroread 7 ?
[06:15] <SiRrUs> good night guys
[06:15] <thr1ce> oh my
[06:15] <thr1ce> sorry...I had assumed nothing had changed since 2.6.1
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: how the fuck did u get hindi ? i want it too!!!
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER>
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's not hindi per se
[06:16] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: ok, its not funny. stop.
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: first one /was/ hindi
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> i must know, i am an india :)
[06:17] <da_bon_bon> *indian
[06:17] <ukilledkenny> da_bon_bon, im having trouble with the script can you help me out
[06:18] <GhostFreeman> Linux kicks ass
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it wasn't hindi
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: i can try, but i am no expert.. paste the script on pastebin
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> it was another indian language with some similar characters.
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: marathi
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Devanagari
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> shrug
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> BROKEN_LADDER: devanagari is a script, not a language. that script is used in hindi as well as marathi! :P
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> da_bon_bon this is what it looks like...Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LimeWire Comment=P2P Client Exec=cd ~/opt/LimeWire/java -jar LimeWire.jar Icon=gaim.png Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Application;Network; StartupNotify=true
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> the problem is with Exec
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> i used two lines
[06:20] <ukilledkenny> but it doesnt work if i condense it to one
[06:21] <ukilledkenny> ill write that out clearly
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: NO!
[06:21] <zenrox> ukilledkenny,  did jay read www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: join #flood
[06:21] <thr1ce> who is op in here?
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: no one.
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: as in, no one has taken the op status. i am assuming bob2 is the op in here
[06:22] <thr1ce> well, mdz is for sure
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: right
[06:22] <zenrox> and a coupple others
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: the person who can set the topic is almost always an op
[06:23] <zenrox> we bow to the all mighty ubuntu gods
[06:23] <thr1ce> da_bon_bon, they can't without it
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: right
[06:23] <thr1ce> hm...anyone have an ATI card ?
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> zenrox: no need to
[06:23] <zenrox> lol
[06:23] <thr1ce> (3d accel)
[06:24] <zenrox> thr1ce,  look in the www.ubuntuforums.org for ati driver install
[06:24] <zenrox> thares a good howto
[06:24] <thr1ce> zenrox, just curious about the 2.6.11 kernel specifically
[06:24] <coroner> its under the wiki i think actually
[06:24] <thr1ce> i knwo how...just wondering if it works
[06:24] <zenrox> thr1ce,  try it and find out
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> ukilledkenny: in exec, put in "java -jar /home/XXX/opet/LimeWire/LimeWire.jar"
[06:25] <factotum> err... whats the command to see what version of xorg im running?
[06:25] <thr1ce> zenrox, i'm using 2.4.29, actually...
[06:25] <Jerub> I got bored and wrote a usage meter script for telstra bigpond users ;)
[06:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  i know it works in 2.6.10
[06:25] <thr1ce> zenrox, without a patch?
[06:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  tho i run a nvidia card
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: 2.6.11 rocks! but u need to add "noinotify" in GRUB and u will not be able to use the ati nvidia drivers as htere are no restriced-modules
[06:26] <da_bon_bon> *there
[06:26] <zenrox> thares precompiled drivers
[06:26] <thr1ce> i would be using lilo
[06:26] <zenrox> but with 2.6.10 thay should work
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: lilo, and 2.4 both so old! why use them >?
[06:27] <thr1ce> lilo is not old...
[06:27] <thr1ce> and 2.4.29 is solid as a rock
[06:27] <factotum> i have lilo and 2.4 on my slack server
[06:27] <thr1ce> and actually updated
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: lilo is no flexible. grub is way better
[06:27] <thr1ce> sigh
[06:27] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: 2.6 is the norm
[06:27] <thr1ce> 2.6 is still unstable in many people's eyes
[06:28] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: says who ?
[06:28] <zenrox> not any more
[06:28] <thr1ce> pre 2.6.10 was
[06:28] <thr1ce> 2.6.10 seems to be good
[06:28] <zenrox> 3 days here in 2.6.10
[06:28] <zenrox> and my warty server 8 days with 2.6.8
[06:29] <Gillisadick> hi
[06:29] <zenrox> hello
[06:29] <thr1ce> and 2.4.29 is not old
[06:29] <HardKase> hi
[06:29] <HardKase> im installing ubuntu
[06:29] <zenrox> thr1ce,  point is 2.6.X is stable now
[06:29] <thr1ce> zenrox, that's waht I was wondering :)
[06:29] <HardKase> im putting it on my laptop. but after the inital "press enter to boot" screen, the menu options dont appear.
[06:30] <HardKase> what could be causing this ?
[06:30] <Dampjam> I LOVE UBUNTU!  Hoary is so sweet and cuddly!
[06:30] <zenrox> Dampjam,  kewl
[06:31] <HardKase> nope. still nothing :/
[06:31] <da_bon_bon> Dampjam: so do mst of the people here :)
[06:31] <thr1ce> anyone try out an ipod shuffle in linux yet?
[06:32] <HardKase> ok
[06:32] <HardKase> maybe ill have more luck with fendora core
[06:32] <thr1ce> LOL
[06:32] <Dampjam> hardkast: no!  do not go to the evil side
[06:32] <HardKase> its not installing
[06:33] <HardKase> theres little else i can do
[06:33] <schweeb> what's your problem, HardKase ?
[06:33] <Dampjam> hardkase: give hoary a shot if you want, it worked beautifully on my laptop
[06:33] <HardKase> i put the cd in the drive. i boot my laptop.
[06:33] <schweeb> Hoary is not for the faint of heart
[06:33] <HardKase> the ubuntu screen appears.
[06:33] <HardKase> i press enter
[06:33] <jdub> schweeb: (we're a day away from Preview release.)
[06:34] <HardKase> after that, a black screen, with a blue line going down in towards the right hand side
[06:34] <Dampjam> I have not had any major problems with hoary, are there large known bugs?  The only major issue I"ve had is sound
[06:34] <schweeb> jdub: yea, but still ;)
[06:34] <Dampjam> the Alsa guys have no ideas, Volume Monitor even shows the bars, no music comes out of the speakers though
[06:34] <HardKase> why would that happen ?
[06:35] <schweeb> HardKase: try linux vga=771 <enter> rather than just <enter>
[06:35] <schweeb> or what was the other option... framebuffer=off or something
[06:35] <HardKase> oh. i can type ?
[06:35] <HardKase> lol
[06:36] <HardKase> that worked
[06:36] <HardKase> thats schweeb
[06:36] <pe7er> aw. one last question before i fall asleep: how can i change the screen resolution in a text console? i mean like from 80x25 to 80x40 and all those nifty vesa goodies i used back in 1995?
[06:36] <schweeb> no  prob
[06:36] <thr1ce> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <schweeb> thr1ce: he's talking about on the console
[06:36] <HardKase> im very much a linux newbie. so i hope you can tolerate my questions.
[06:37] <pe7er> ^ ^ hoary. .... x11 for text consoles?
[06:37] <thr1ce> ooooh
[06:37] <thr1ce> sorry
[06:37] <schweeb> pe7er: append vga=771 onto the end of your kernel as well (I don't know any other modes by heart)
[06:37] <schweeb> but vga=xxx specifies the video mode... in hex I believe
[06:38] <pe7er> np. i just want to know the linux substite for 'mode' :)
[06:38] <HardKase> is there like a newbie guide to linux online somewhere ? a faq i can walk through ?
[06:38] <pe7er> i have some old oak vga manual... i guess i can look my favourite mode right there and pray it doesn't break my nvidia :)
[06:38] <factotum> HardKase: google for RUTE
[06:38] <Pluk> i use :  video=vesafb:1400x1050-16@60 for the framebuffer thingy
[06:38] <HardKase> rute ?
[06:38] <HardKase> ok!
[06:39] <factotum> its the first find, online book, a good read
[06:39] <dampjam> damn wireless
[06:39] <HardKase> damn. thats 44 chapters
[06:39] <HardKase> lol
[06:39] <R0bNyc> 2.6.11 kernel doesnt work right for me
[06:39] <HardKase> excellent
[06:39] <pe7er> aw. framebuffer. i might not get my ping fixed but i'll get framebuffer console graphics. future looks promising now, finally something i can look forward to. good night
[06:39] <factotum> ;)
[06:40] <Myrtti> morning all
[06:40] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, compiled yourself?
[06:40] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, nope
[06:40] <HardKase> so, http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz <-- this is relvant to Ubuntu ?
[06:41] <factotum> yup
[06:41] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, what doesn't work?
[06:41] <factotum> your running linux arent you?
[06:41] <factotum> heh
[06:41] <factotum> but yes, it is
[06:41] <HardKase> heh
[06:41] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, I got 2.6.10-i686 image and it works fine, but 2.6.11-i686 or k7 dont work after ubuntu logs in it just seems to freeze
[06:42] <HardKase> <-- dumbass newbie, trying something new
[06:42] <factotum> we are all at some point
[06:42] <thr1ce> R0bNyc, do you have ati drivers installed...?
[06:42] <Myrtti> I had that same problem
[06:42] <Myrtti> R0bNyc: have you already tried apt-get upgrade?
[06:42] <R0bNyc> thr1ce, errr i dunno i think so
[06:45] <mike_douglas> I just may have experienced the weirdest opengl bug :P
[06:45] <mike_douglas> all my games (UT2k4, KOTOR2) run at a super-speed
[06:45] <zenrox> lol
[06:46] <mike_douglas> like 10x faster than they should normally run
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> isnt that great, mike_douglas
[06:46] <da_bon_bon> !
[06:46] <mike_douglas> not faster as in graphics, faster as in the actual game
[06:46] <mike_douglas> like it was fast-forwarded
[06:46] <thr1ce> does KOTR2 run native?
[06:46] <mike_douglas> through Cedega
[06:46] <dampjam> All the music players, xmms, mplayer, show the music playing, volume monitor, sees the bars go up and down, but nothing comes out of the speakers, I've followed the alsa troublehooting page, any ideas?
[06:47] <thr1ce> run alsamixer
[06:47] <thr1ce> see if you're muted
[06:47] <dampjam> done and done, as root and user (in alsa troubleshooting guide)
[06:47] <factotum> dampjam: are your media players running from alsa and not oss?
[06:48] <apollo> l
[06:48] <zenrox> dampjam,  or esd
[06:48] <dampjam> I am using alsa
[06:48] <dampjam> I checked all the configs, and did the ubuntu test sounds in gnome
[06:50] <dampjam> It's a sony laptop that has volume buttons on the side, is that just suppossed to call the OS, or could that be some sort of hardware control thing that ubuntu doesn't know how to handle?
[06:51] <mike_douglas> bah, I'm going to give the game one more try, hopefully it'll of slown down by now
[07:00] <jordanau> is there a shortcut key to open a terminal window?
[07:02] <da_bon_bon> jordanau: set for yuorself in "system-prefs.-keyboradrd shortcuts"
[07:06] <Quarupt> anyone ever got dreamweaver installed through wine lemme know plz
[07:07] <BiteMeBill> Anyone else getting pop ups with firefox?
[07:08] <dash> anyone running a dual head setup that's willing to help me figure out some bits of mine? :)
[07:08] <punkass> i am on a nvidia 5900xt
[07:09] <Jerub> dash: I run two identical 19" lcds dual head with no worries.
[07:09] <punkass> dash: what do ya need to know?
[07:09] <dash> Mostly i am wondering how to set different wallpaper for the different heads ;D
[07:09] <punkass> i am running a 17" lcd and a 17" crt without problems too
[07:09] <punkass> oh
[07:09] <punkass> something i havent done
[07:09] <Jerub> dash: the gimp.
[07:10] <dash> Jerub: That is a sad answer and it hurts me inside
[07:10] <punkass> i would think the easyest thing would be to take to wallpapers you like and stick them together using gimo
[07:10] <punkass> gimp*
[07:10] <dash> yeah well
[07:10] <regeya> I think you could do it with linux
[07:10] <Jerub> dash: or! use this: http://www.pixelfreak.com/v3/img/poster.png
[07:10] <dash> if i wanted easy, i would have stuck with console
[07:10] <dash> regeya: supar lunix!
[07:11] <jordanau> is there a open new terminal shortcut key
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:11] <Jerub> (that is actually my background, its the coolest background ever)
[07:13] <regeya> I decided to google this interesting problem, dash, but my browser seems more interested in miss march
[07:13] <punkass> is there a simple way to get 32bit firefox running on 64bit without all the chroot stuff...just using the lib32 libraries?
[07:14] <Gillisadick> regeya - i like the sound of your browser
[07:14] <Gillisadick> lol
[07:14] <HardKase> dammit
[07:14] <Quarupt> punkass, what does that question have to do with Ubuntu?
[07:14] <HardKase> im too lazy to fix that
[07:14] <punkass> Quarupt: i am running ubuntu 64bit
[07:15] <punkass> would not have asked here if i wasn't
[07:15] <Quarupt> oh i thought you said windows 64 edition my bad
[07:15] <punkass> heh eww..nope
[07:16] <Quarupt> thats why im using the 32 bit version cause i didnt wanna deal with all that, runs fine on my AMD Athlon 64
[07:17] <punkass> yeah but i noticed a big diff in performance running the 64bit version
[07:17] <da_bon_bon> hey, all hoary users, how is gnome 2.10 ?
[07:17] <punkass> the only thing i am really missing is flash
[07:18] <Quarupt> da_bon_bon, Flawless as far as i can tell so far
[07:18] <_4strO> yop
[07:18] <punkass> da_bon_bon: yes..its working fine for me
[07:18] <jsgotangco> ill go hoary when it comes
[07:18] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:19] <Quarupt> just go now
[07:19] <Quarupt> its fine
[07:19] <dotrig> how  installl my frimware
[07:19] <Quarupt> hasnt broke on me yet
[07:19] <blizah> does ubuntu come w/ support for SATA RAID, and if not can i apt-get anything to support it?
[07:19] <NateDogg> has anyone here had sucess in running ubuntu linux in a Microsoft Virtual PC window?
[07:19] <delltony> anyone have an idea why my router would have port 20 to 21 enabled on tcp and udp and then i have proftpd running and netstat says port 21 is listening and then i do nmap on the router and it says the port is open BUT I CAN'T CONNECT to my ftp server
[07:19] <blizah> cause im having trouble seeing my windows filesystem (which is on a raid)
[07:19] <Jerub> blizah: software RAID can be configured during the installation process, don't know about SATA.
[07:20] <Quarupt> punkass, Yea, but doesnt it suck trying to find all the 64bit apps? and libs?
[07:20] <dotrig> any know how i install my frimware
[07:20] <punkass> blizah: i installed hoary on a sata device (not raid tho) only have one drive right now and it worked fine
[07:20] <punkass> Quarupt: only thing i have missed so far is Flash
[07:20] <da_bon_bon> Quarupt, punkass: updating to it now :)
[07:21] <Quarupt> I am trying to wine/dreamweaver right now
[07:21] <NateDogg> has anyone here had sucess in running ubuntu linux in a Microsoft Virtual PC window?
[07:21] <blizah> any ideas how i would go about getting ubuntu to see my windows?
[07:21] <blizah> wihch is on a SATA RAID
[07:21] <eyequeue> NateDogg:  not supported, yadda yadda, but i think somoene said it doesn't work because it doesn't get enough direct access to the hardware
[07:21] <Quarupt> man, it doesnt wanna work
[07:21] <HardKase> Starting Ubuntu...
[07:21] <HardKase> yay!
[07:21] <Quarupt> I need my Dreamweaver
[07:21] <eyequeue> NateDogg:  just hearsay, no personal experience
[07:21] <Quarupt> punkass, maybe i will get vmware and give the 64bit a try
[07:22] <thr1ce> when did 2.10 come out?
[07:22] <punkass> NateDogg: VMware runs ubuntu fine on XP
[07:22] <Quarupt> gtk?
[07:22] <Myrtti> so, is there a way of getting certain software to startup at gnome login?
[07:22] <NateDogg> ok.. i got it to boot.. however the display was all messed up.. and i dont know enough about ubuntu to work it out.... I would suspect it's a driver issue.
[07:22] <jsgotangco> ubuntu with OOo 2 should be great
[07:22] <thr1ce> OOo2 should be awhile, no?
[07:23] <Quarupt> NateDogg, its not an issue of knowing Ubuntu, its an issue of knowing X
[07:23] <jsgotangco> yeah :(
[07:23] <NateDogg> punkass>> i have a VMware GSX server key.. just no GSX server... i need to get it off my mate
[07:23] <jsgotangco> but it'll be worth the wait i hope
[07:23] <dotrig> why will not my hotplug install frimware harddrive
[07:23] <punkass> NateDogg: I think you can just get VMware workstation beta of there site
[07:24] <punkass> dogrig: what are you trying to do?
[07:25] <Quarupt> anyone know an easy way to setup an IRCD?
[07:25] <punkass> Myrtti: you can set it in the menu
[07:25] <HardKase> :)
[07:25] <dotrig> start my frimware harddrive'
[07:25] <Myrtti> punkass: really? and I thought I had looked thru everything
[07:25] <dotrig> in fc3 was he aldrey there
[07:25] <punkass> one sec let me look...you running hoary or warty?
[07:25] <Echylo> how does gnome transparancy works?
[07:25] <NateDogg> punkass>> i would probably consider it if i wasnt on dialup again... Ill reinstall in a virutal PC... and perhaps ask for some help in the X server config... is the an equilivant to "safe mode" or a command setup tool that i can run during boot??
[07:26] <punkass> NateDogg: well normally when X fails it drops you to a prompt
[07:26] <punkass> Myrtti: under preferences there shouuld be Sessions
[07:26] <NateDogg> it's not "failing" it's just to crap to look at you cant really see what the hell is going on...
[07:27] <punkass> Myrtti: and a tab that says Startup Programs
[07:27] <waseem> how do i check my permission nodes?
[07:28] <waseem> I was having a problem with software and the faq says to
[07:28] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx)., can anyone here help em with the process?
[07:28] <punkass> NateDogg: ok they try a Ctrl-Alt-F4 , that should take you to a prompt where you can log in and edit X files etc
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l
[07:28] <Myrtti> well, what do you know
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/ttySx
[07:28] <punkass> Myrtti: :)
[07:28] <waseem> ls: /dev/ttySx: No such file or directory
[07:28] <punkass> waseem: x is supposted to be a number
[07:28] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/ttyS*, x is probably not literal
[07:28] <thr1ce> lol
[07:29] <NateDogg> punkass>> ill give that i try
[07:29] <thr1ce> ls -l /dev | grep tty
[07:29] <thr1ce> er...
[07:29] <waseem> eyequeue: so should i just put an asterisk?
[07:29] <NateDogg> punkass> im reinstalling Ubuntu again now
[07:29] <thr1ce> ls -l /dev/* | grep -i tty
[07:29] <eyequeue> wacko_-:  sure, if you know know if it's 0 1 2 etc
[07:29] <waseem> thrice: is that for me?
[07:29] <thr1ce> sure
[07:29] <eyequeue> waseem:  ^^
[07:29] <punkass> NateDogg: is it doing it on install or on boot up after install?
[07:30] <thr1ce> find your tty
[07:30] <waseem> there a tons of them, which one should be my tty?
[07:30] <NateDogg> punkass>> after install... i would say it's an X server issue...
[07:30] <punkass> ah ok
[07:32] <waseem> eyequeue: what do i do?
[07:32] <NateDogg> punkass:: coping files now.. shoudlnt take too long...
[07:35] <waseem> thrice: do you have any ideas on what i can do?
[07:36] <dotrig> how i install scons.deb etc?
[07:36] <delltony> anyone here use proftpd and don't mind helping me get it working?
[07:36] <dotrig> when i aldrrey have a deb file
[07:36] <punkass> dotrig: if you just want to install that deb, do: sudo dpkg -i scons.deb
[07:37] <HardKase> still installing
[07:37] <HardKase> :)
[07:37] <HardKase> hasn't blown up yet
[07:37] <eyequeue> waseem:  what is the device?
[07:38] <waseem> TI 89 Titanium, im connecting it through a USB port
[07:38] <eyequeue> waseem:  ls -l /dev/modem, if it is your modem, for example, and see which tty it points to
[07:39] <waseem> should my calculator be connected at all times?
[07:39] <waseem> ls: /dev/modem: No such file or directory
[07:39] <eyequeue> no idea, but i would guess no
[07:39] <hayden> hi people
[07:40] <waseem> eyequeue: nothing was detected
[07:40] <punkass> waseem: is there linux drivers for your calculator?
[07:40] <waseem> punkass: i did not set up any
[07:41] <eyequeue> waseem:  you don't want a modem there, you want something usb, but i don't know what.  modem was just an example
[07:41] <punkass> well when you run it on windows did you have to install drivers?
[07:41] <hayden> does anyone know how to make an icon appear on the desktop when i mount an smb share?
[07:41] <dazed> wassup all
[07:41] <waseem> punkass: i use the TI connect software and it automatically detects the hardware
[07:42] <punkass> hayden: its a setting in Gconf
[07:42] <Quarupt> Can anyone help me setup a fileserver?
[07:42] <waseem> other than that, i dont do anything to detect the calculator
[07:42] <punkass> yes but there is no TI connect for linux?
[07:42] <waseem> im using tilp
[07:43] <punkass> ah ok
[07:43] <waseem> and its giving me an error message, and on the faq it told me to check the node permission
[07:43] <waseem> A: Check nodes permissions (/dev/ttySx).
[07:43] <HardKase> ding! installation complete!
[07:43] <hayden> punkass, what and where is gconf? (mind my noobness)
[07:43] <HardKase> wow
[07:43] <eyequeue> waseem:  fwiw, /dev/ttyS0 is a serial port
[07:43] <HardKase> pretty login screen
[07:43] <dash> dazed: whoa hey! i am not the only ubuntu user in birmingham
[07:44] <dash> dazed: hi
[07:44] <HardKase> ok
[07:44] <HardKase> im in
[07:44] <HardKase> now what do i do ...
[07:44] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[07:44] <waseem> eyequeue: so what do i do?
[07:44] <eyequeue> waseem:  i don't know, just wanted to give you that background, in case it later proves helpful
[07:44] <HardKase> ok
[07:45] <HardKase> quick question
[07:45] <HardKase> how do i use the gui ?
[07:45] <punkass> hayden: System Tools > Config Editor > apps > nautilus > desktop > check volumes_visible
[07:45] <HardKase> its a foot in the corner
[07:45] <HardKase> but nothing i click on seems to work
[07:45] <HardKase> oh wait
[07:45] <HardKase> it doesn't seem to detect my laptop tap
[07:45] <HardKase> my bad
[07:45] <waseem> eyequeue: oh ok, well do you know how i can check the nodes permissions, or set up the driver or anything to have the software detect my calc?
[07:45] <punkass> ls -al /dev/ttyS0
[07:45] <punkass> will show you the permissions
[07:46] <waseem> crw-rw----  1 root dialout 4, 64 2005-03-07 06:20 /dev/ttyS0
[07:46] <woodwizzle> wow I must say, my first impression with hoary is amazing!
[07:46] <dazed> dash: hey...im actually in jacksonville
[07:46] <eyequeue> waseem:  i don't have the info to help you preceisely, but if you wanted the perms for ttyS0, ls -l /dev/ttyS0
[07:46] <punkass> waseem: are you running tilp as root?
[07:47] <dash> dazed: hah. the last guy i talked to with a bhm.bellsouth.net address was in gadsden :)
[07:47] <waseem> punkass: no
[07:47] <punkass> try that...might be worth a shot
[07:47] <punkass> sudo tilp
[07:47] <woodwizzle> so far everything works outta the box, or with just a few upgrades in the beautiful synaptic package manager
[07:47] <dazed> hahah what u doing out in bham u in school>
[07:47] <punkass> or whatever the command is
[07:47] <dash> dazed: no
[07:47] <dash> dazed: i am just living here ;)
[07:47] <punkass> woodwizzle: yeah its pretty slick eh
[07:48] <dazed> dash: ahhh ... thats cool i got some friends at birmingham southern is why i ask
[07:48] <delltony> anyone here use proftpd and don't mind helping me get it working? for some reason its listening on port 21 and the ports are forwarded but i can't connect :(
[07:48] <HardKase> ok. this is on a laptop. is there a application i can use to check current battery charge ?
[07:48] <woodwizzle> punkass: pretty much convinced me to drop just about every other distro I've tried
[07:48] <dash> proftpd is a great tool for letting complete strangers fill up your hard drive
[07:48] <punkass> woodwizzle: yeah i felt the same way
[07:48] <punkass> HardKase: there should be an applet you can add for it
[07:49] <hayden> punkass, volumes_visible was checked and they still don't show up :?
[07:49] <delltony> apt-get install battery-stats
[07:49] <punkass> hayden: hmmm are you sure they are mounted?
[07:49] <hayden> yea
[07:49] <punkass> hoary or warty?
[07:50] <hayden> warty
[07:50] <punkass> not sure then
[07:50] <hayden> hmm ok
[07:50] <hayden> is there a special way u need to mount them or should they just work
[07:50] <waseem> punkass: it wont show me the same files that i want to transfer
[07:50] <Quarupt> PLZ, there must be an easy way to set up a file server
[07:50] <hayden> Quarupt, what do u mean file server?
[07:51] <Quarupt> ftpd
[07:51] <punkass> waseem: but running as root got you farther?
[07:51] <punkass> Quarupt: cant you just apt-get proftpd or wsftp or something
[07:51] <Quarupt> yea i have one
[07:51] <Quarupt> but no clue howto set it up
[07:52] <HardKase> oh cool. it already has open office installed
[07:52] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:52] <HardKase> thats good. cause i know sweet fuck ALL about installing proggies on linux
[07:52] <waseem> punkass: no
[07:52] <Quarupt> which ftp is the easiest to configure for a newb?
[07:52] <punkass> Quarupt: well i think apt usually sets most of it up for you and starts it running
[07:52] <hayden> Quarupt, http://www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/ftp-server.htm#_Toc92808792
[07:52] <punkass> not sure..ftp is evil and weak :)
[07:52] <woodwizzle> does hoary have inotify?
[07:53] <Echylo> if I would type sudo apt-get distupgrade && shutdown now would it shutdown after upgrading?
[07:53] <Jerub> nope
[07:53] <thr1ce> shutdown?
[07:53] <Jerub> shutdown would be run as the current user.
[07:54] <Echylo> ok
[07:54] <Echylo> sudo -s
[07:54] <Jerub> I would type:
[07:54] <Jerub> sudo su
[07:54] <Jerub> apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown
[07:54] <punkass> woodwizzle: from the forums: "- Let's remove the bit about inotify, since it is quite likely that we will
[07:54] <punkass> be disabling it per default in Hoary due to stability issues"
[07:54] <thr1ce> change it to sudo shutdown -h now
[07:54] <dazed> yeah i always wondered whats the easiest way to upgrade distro
[07:54] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:54] <Echylo> ok
[07:54] <Echylo> so
[07:54] <Echylo> sudo -s
[07:54] <Echylo> apt-get dist-upgrade && shutdown -h now
[07:54] <Echylo> ?
[07:54] <woodwizzle> punkass: Ah, bummer. I still havn't gotten to try the new beagle yet
[07:55] <Jerub> oh, 'halt'
[07:55] <HardKase> ummm
[07:55] <HardKase> man
[07:55] <punkass> woodwizzle: but at least it says: "by default" so hopefully we can add it later
[07:55] <HardKase> yay! i changed the time.
[07:55] <woodwizzle> hmm, yelp keeps crashing on me. I wonder if this is a hoary problem or a gnome 2.9 problem
[07:56] <Echy|School> hopes it shutdown
[07:56] <Echy|School> or my mom will be mad
[07:56] <Echy|School> :P
[07:56] <punkass> woodwizzle: i thought the lastest beagle didnt rely on inotify anymore?
[07:57] <dazed> so apt-get dist-upgrade is how to upgrade ubuntu?
[07:57] <woodwizzle> punkass: no, but its not really all that impressive without it.
[07:57] <Echy|School> no
[07:57] <thr1ce> apt-get update first
[07:57] <punkass> ah i see
[07:57] <thr1ce> update will update the list and compare with what you've got
[07:57] <Echy|School> dazed, first you have to change every entry in /etc/apt/sources.list warty => hoary
[07:57] <Echy|School> then apt-get update
[07:58] <Echy|School> then dist-upgrade
[07:58] <dazed> is hoary better than warty?
[07:58] <Hell-Razor> anybody here have the new cedega?
[07:58] <waseem> ticables:     node /dev/tiser0: does not exists
[07:58] <waseem> how do i create that/
[07:58] <waseem> ?
[07:58] <thr1ce> how well does hoary get rid of xfree86 and replace with xorg?
[07:58] <bwlang> dazed: better if you want to be on the bleeding edge... otherwise not better
[07:58] <blizah> how do you change your resolution in ubuntu?
[07:59] <punkass> Hell-Razor: i am guessing that since no one answered, probably not ;)
[07:59] <thr1ce> blizah, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:59] <blizah> k
[07:59] <blizah> tnx
[07:59] <Hell-Razor> punkass: figures
[07:59] <bwlang> thr1ce: i didn't try an upgrade... but xorg works better for me that xfree86 (dynamic clocks support)
[07:59] <thr1ce> and restart X
[07:59] <HardKase> yeah! i made MAry_Jones.letter
[07:59] <HardKase> i am a 1337 h4x0r now
[07:59] <thr1ce> bwlang, yes, i love x.org
[07:59] <dazed> so will it pay to get hoary or keep warty?
[07:59] <thr1ce> just curious how well the upgrade works
[07:59] <waseem> here is the error: node /dev/tiser0: does not exists, how can i create that node?
[07:59] <bwlang> blizah: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or XF86Config.conf
[07:59] <punkass> thr1ce: the upgrade is pretty smooth, I had no problems
[08:00] <bwlang> dazed: keep warty until hoary is released
[08:00] <dazed> ok
[08:00] <thr1ce> well...how efficient, i suppose is a better word
[08:00] <thr1ce> automated updating scares me (i'm a slackware user remember....)
[08:00] <Jerub> thr1ce: oh.
[08:01] <blizah> bwland, i have no xorg.cfg file in x11
[08:01] <Jerub> thr1ce: okay, put it this way, I've been doing automated upgrades with debian for 4 years. I very seldom had any problems at all.
[08:01] <thr1ce> xorg.conf
[08:01] <punkass> hehe..well i dunno..i changed my sources file, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, said yes to a pile of new files...waited..rebooted and i had a new hoary system
[08:01] <thr1ce> or xfree86.conf for warty
[08:01] <punkass> xorg.conf
[08:01] <blizah> ah k
[08:01] <Jerub> thr1ce: and I've not had any with doing dist-upgrade on ubuntu.
[08:01] <punkass> xorg.conf is what you get in hoary
[08:02] <thr1ce> blizah, ls -l /etc/X11/* | grep x*.conf
[08:02] <thr1ce> should find it
[08:02] <thr1ce> unless i'm newb
[08:04] <punkass> waseem, if i had to guess its looking on a serial port but should be looking on a usb port
[08:04] <blizah> stephen@linux:/etc/X11 $ ls -l /etc/X11/* | grep x*.conf
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-------    1 root     root          771 2005-03-03 15:22 /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1711 2004-11-17 08:27 config
[08:04] <blizah> /etc/X11/sysconfig:
[08:04] <blizah> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7621 2004-11-17 08:27 README.config
[08:04] <blizah> stephen@linux:/etc/X11 $
[08:04] <waseem> when the uhci_hcd module detects a connect on USB, how do i bind that to a readable device node
[08:05] <blizah> im not seeing either xorg nor xfree86
[08:05] <thr1ce> um....
[08:05] <punkass> blizah: try  X*.conf at the end
[08:05] <thr1ce> run updatedb
[08:05] <thr1ce> as root
[08:05] <punkass> it should be XF86config-4 if you are on warty
[08:05] <blizah> ah ok
[08:05] <thr1ce> yeah
[08:05] <blizah> got that one :D
[08:06] <crimsun> waseem: you need to do that manually?
[08:06] <waseem> crimsun, i guess, its not doing it automatically
[08:06] <punkass> ah crimsun is a smart guy...he knows the answers to all ;)
[08:06] <Hell-Razor> hey guys how would i install a .deb package?
[08:06] <thr1ce> man...if I had confirmation that ATI 3d drivers worked with 2.6.11, i'd switch instantly
[08:06] <punkass> Hell-Razor: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[08:06] <lool> Hell-Razor: dpkg -i
[08:07] <Hell-Razor> lool, punkass, ty
[08:07] <lool> Hell-Razor: most Debian packages are distributed via APT repositories, that you can configure in your /etc/apt/sources.list though
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> lool, is point2play?
[08:08] <lool> no idea
[08:08] <StoffBox-Steve> no
[08:08] <thr1ce> no
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> didnt think so
[08:08] <thr1ce> that's a commercial product
[08:08] <thr1ce> you have to pay for that
[08:08] <thr1ce> with cedega
[08:08] <Hell-Razor> yea, pay...alright
[08:08] <StoffBox-Steve> p2p is non-free, there is no package in any respo
[08:08] <thr1ce> ...
[08:09] <thr1ce> Hell-Razor, wanna bet?
[08:09] <Burgundavia> thr1ce: they do
[08:09] <thr1ce> i know
[08:09] <thr1ce> i thought he didnt' believe me
[08:10] <punkass> i thought you could get cedega from cvs and build it yourself?
[08:10] <calamari> hi
[08:11] <StoffBox-Steve> cedega yes but for p2p you need an account :)
[08:11] <punkass> ah
[08:11] <blizah> is the first resolution setting in that stream of resolution types the one im on?
[08:12] <punkass> yes
[08:12] <bob2> punkass: yes, but if you make it easy for other people to do that, transgaming will beat you up
[08:12] <StoffBox-Steve> so bye all, have to work now.
[08:12] <punkass> bob2: hehe i bet
[08:12] <blizah> k
[08:12] <blizah> any of you guys play counterstrike under cedega?
[08:13] <punkass> blizah: you should see Depth set (usually) to 16 or 24 then the list of resolutions below that number is where your at
[08:13] <NateDogg> punkass:: the Crtl-Alt-F4 worked to take me to the prompt....
[08:14] <punkass> NateDogg: i am waiting for a ..but
[08:14] <NateDogg> punkass:: LMAO... what is the Xserver config command?
[08:15] <punkass> you on hoary or warty?
[08:15] <NateDogg> i have noidea
[08:15] <punkass> lol
[08:15] <punkass> did you download the cd?
[08:15] <NateDogg> this is my first exposure to Ubundu
[08:15] <NateDogg> no... it came on PC authority
[08:16] <punkass> ok its probably warty then
[08:16] <NateDogg> see i cant even spell it correct
[08:16] <punkass> /etc/X11/XF86config-4 is the file you want
[08:16] <punkass> lol
[08:17] <NateDogg> found the file... do i try to run it? or edit it?
[08:17] <punkass> its just a text file so edit it
[08:17] <NateDogg> opened with vim
[08:18] <_4strO> gedit would be easyer
[08:18] <punkass> he has no desktop :)
[08:18] <_4strO> except if u are familary with vim
[08:18] <_4strO> ha :p
[08:18] <_4strO> sorry :p
[08:18] <NateDogg> LOL..
[08:18] <NateDogg> not overly familiar.. unless there is a better console editor that come with
[08:19] <punkass> i think there is nano...but i have never used it
[08:19] <_4strO> yep
[08:19] <_4strO> or editor
[08:20] <punkass> hehe editor is nano
[08:20] <_4strO> ^^
[08:20] <NateDogg> everything in the file looks correct to me... any ideas on what to be looking for... it's detected the video card S3 trio 32/64
[08:20] <_4strO> NateDogg> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[08:20] <_4strO> if its possible
[08:21] <NateDogg> how big is xorg?
[08:21] <punkass> what is it doing again?
[08:21] <punkass> big if you are on dialup, you will cry
[08:21] <_4strO> sure
[08:21] <NateDogg> id better start crying then...
[08:21] <crimsun> 65 MB at least
[08:21] <paulproteus> nano
[08:21] <punkass> what was your comp doing wrong again?
[08:22] <waseem> agh why does linux always have to have problems??
[08:22] <waseem> i just want to connect a stupid calculator to my computer
[08:22] <jeff_> hey guys. how can i compile a microsoft visual c++ program under linux
[08:22] <punkass> because no companies make good or any drivers for linux
[08:22] <NateDogg> the screen in the virutal PC when X starts goes screwed... all out of shape looks like crap interlacing basicaly unreadable
[08:22] <_4strO> so try dpkg-reconfigure xf86 ...
[08:22] <_4strO> never remember the exact name :/
[08:22] <calamari> is there a good program to delete duplicate files from a directory?  I'm coverting windoiws icons and there are tons of duplicates
[08:22] <crimsun> jeff_: use g++ to compile the source code
[08:22] <helloyo> has anyone here installed the OOo beta?
[08:23] <punkass> what is the driver set to?
[08:23] <punkass> helloyo, yes...its very nice
[08:23] <helloyo> punkass, just wondering, since its rpm will alien work?
[08:23] <crimsun> helloyo: are you running hoary?
[08:23] <punkass> oh hoary reps have it already
[08:23] <helloyo> crimsun, nope, warty
[08:23] <_4strO> NateDogg> i don't know
[08:24] <_4strO> look on the virtual machine doc
[08:24] <punkass> NateDogg: what is the driver set to?
[08:24] <NateDogg> _4strO:: HA.. there is nothing about that... int eh doc
[08:24] <HardKase> whoever told me to google rute. i love you. i love the information in that.
[08:24] <HardKase> hmmm
[08:24] <NateDogg> in the config file it showed the S3 tri 32/64... and that is what virtual PC emulates
[08:25] <HardKase> takes almost as long as xp to boot :/
[08:25] <jeff_> crimsun: there are a few .c files
[08:25] <jeff_> and some headers
[08:25] <jeff_> how can i get them all to compile
[08:25] <NateDogg> punkass:: if you run MSN messenger i could application share the virutal PC window with you.
[08:26] <crimsun> jeff_: is there a Makefile?
[08:26] <punkass> NateDogg..there is a full howto on ubuntus site for virtualPC
[08:26] <jeff_> no
[08:26] <crimsun> jeff_: then you'll have to use gcc
[08:26] <punkass> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.0656256783
[08:26] <Myrtti> I just tried bitlbee
[08:26] <HardKase> ok]
[08:26] <helloyo> is anyone here running OOo beta under warty?
[08:26] <Myrtti> wow
[08:26] <HardKase> how do i get ubuntu to play divx's, xvids, mp3s, and dvds ?
[08:27] <crimsun> /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:27] <jeff_> right, but how do i compile them all into one executibal. like i said the instrustions say load the project file for microsoft visual stuido
[08:27] <helloyo> HardKase, www.ubuntuguide.org, and install totem-xine
[08:27] <HardKase> is that a directory ?
[08:27] <NateDogg> punkass:: really i couldnt find that before.. ill have a look at it now
[08:27] <crimsun> jeff_: if the source code wasn't designed to be portable, then you're going to have to modify it as necessary
[08:27] <punkass> heh no prob..i actually found it through google :)
[08:27] <HardKase> ill charge my lappy and look at it later
[08:27] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march <-- how can i use it ?
[08:27] <HardKase> i can mkdir and ls like a pro now
[08:28] <HardKase> i can cp and mv too
[08:28] <punkass> you are 133t
[08:28] <punkass> ;)
[08:28] <HardKase> haha
[08:28] <crimsun> jeff_: one rudimentary method is to compile each .c separately, then link them all together into one executable along with any referenced libraries
[08:28] <HardKase> its not as forigen as it originally looks
[08:28] <HardKase> i can pick up one or two similarities with dos, and that makes me comfortable
[08:28] <jeff_> this is going to be quite the task
[08:29] <punkass> NateDogg: looks like step #6 should fix you up.
[08:29] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march plz
[08:29] <_4strO> ubuntu-calendar-march <-- how can i use it plz ?
[08:29] <Myrtti> just put the wallpaper on your desktop
[08:29] <crimsun> _4strO: secondary-click on the desktop, choose Change Desktop Background, and select the March background
[08:30] <Myrtti> that's it :->
[08:30] <_4strO> haaaaaaaaaaaa
[08:30] <_4strO> kk
[08:30] <_4strO> thx
[08:30] <_4strO> :p
[08:30] <_4strO> too easy :p
[08:30] <_4strO> i was try calendar in terminal :p
[08:30] <Hell-Razor> so far ubuntu is the shit
[08:30] <punkass> ding-ding
[08:31] <Hell-Razor> lol
[08:31] <punkass> hehe
[08:31] <Hell-Razor> i kind of miss gentoo though
[08:31] <Myrtti> what's stopping you then
[08:31] <Myrtti> if Ubuntu is teh shit, why whine. Switch to gentoo.
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> wanted to try a diff distro
[08:32] <punkass> hehe..i went though the install a couple o times and that was enough for me..back to my happy apt-get
[08:32] <delltony> what is a really simple ftpserver for ubuntu?
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> punkass, the gentoo install? i got it on my first try, although it took me about 4 days
[08:32] <punkass> haha
[08:32] <helloyo> can i apt-get into warty?
[08:32] <Hell-Razor> whats the difference between the warty and harty install?
[08:33] <punkass> hoary is what is coming out in april
[08:33] <Myrtti> warty and hoary, you mean?
[08:33] <punkass> its development right now so its not as stable (tho it is most of the time)
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> ooh yes
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> hoary
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> whatever
[08:33] <Hell-Razor> what is the difference?
[08:33] <crimsun> it's fairly stable - preview release is Wednesday (tomorrow)
[08:34] <punkass> whoa really? cool
[08:34] <delltony> xfree and xorg
[08:34] <delltony> thats the big difference
[08:34] <punkass> just install array6 on amd64..worked like a charm
[08:34] <Hell-Razor> ...
[08:34] <Hell-Razor> punkass, i use amd64 also
[08:34] <punkass> and the new gnome
[08:34] <Myrtti> warty is stable. It's freezed, like Debians stable
[08:35] <Myrtti> hoary is the current development version, which will be replaced by ... when it's freezen
[08:35] <crimsun> (replaced by Hoary+1)
[08:35] <shock> lol
[08:35] <Hell-Razor> lol
[08:35] <Myrtti> I think it already has a name, I just can't remember it
[08:35] <Hell-Razor> horay ++ you mean
[08:36] <punkass> grumpy or something?
[08:36] <Agrajag> grumpy groundhog
[08:36] <Myrtti> prolly yes
[08:36] <punkass> Hell-Razor: here is a list of hoary goals: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[08:36] <Agrajag> they're gonna run out of hogs pretty soon
[08:36] <azriel0184> where do you guys come up with these names?
[08:37] <calamari> thanks "fdupes" for deleting all those duplicate files :)
[08:37] <bradg> Agrajag, After grumpy is perky penguin.
[08:38] <NateDogg> punkass:: worked... thanks for that.. dont know why i couldnt find it my self... tried google and the ubuntu website
[08:38] <punkass> NateDogg: good stuff...no worries
[08:38] <delltony> can someone tell me what a good ftp server to use with ubuntu is please?
[08:39] <crimsun> delltony: vsftpd
[08:39] <Myrtti> what about Debian potato, or Debian woody, or Debian sarge
[08:39] <Myrtti> those names suck too
[08:39] <delltony> aww thats the name of it i was trying to think of it couldn't remember thanks
[08:39] <crimsun> toy story characters' names "suck"?
[08:39] <crimsun> ;-P
[08:39] <Myrtti> crimsun: the same as Ubuntus names
[08:39] <punkass> delltony: there is wu-ftpd or proftpd too
[08:39] <Myrtti> does it really matter?
[08:40] <crimsun> Myrtti: nope
[08:40] <Myrtti> what's the difference
[08:40] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:40] <delltony> well proftdp didn't like me
[08:40] <Myrtti> next issue
[08:40] <delltony> i couldn't get it to let me in
[08:40] <punkass> well vsftpd sounds pretty good as far as ftp goes
[08:40] <delltony> well is there a config file for it somewhere
[08:41] <delltony> so i can setup the dir?
[08:41] <crimsun> delltony: proftpd won't by default. It forces you to read the documntation.
[08:41] <crimsun> documentation^
[08:41] <delltony> crimsun, thanks for that ;)
[08:41] <delltony> i did read the manual
[08:41] <delltony> and i set up the config
[08:41] <crimsun> delltony: I meant the READMEs in /usr/share/doc/proftpd/
[08:41] <punkass> crimsun: do you know the stats on openoffice beta/2.0 for 64bit in ubuntu?
[08:41] <crimsun> punkass: I'm afraid I don't, sorry
[08:41] <punkass> i noticed there are a few files there
[08:42] <punkass> ok thanks
[08:42] <delltony> well i used the sample anonymous config on its wiki page
[08:42] <delltony> it listens but i can't seem to login
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> delltony, lol it listens but i cant login
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> ha
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> thats kinf od funny
[08:43] <Hell-Razor> kind of
[08:43] <delltony> well the port is listening
[08:43] <delltony> but i can't login to it
[08:44] <Hell-Razor> sux
[08:44] <delltony> don't see where that is funny but ok
[08:44] <Hell-Razor> well im just really tired
[08:46] <Hell-Razor> wtf
[08:46] <Hell-Razor> how do i get xmms to paly an mp3
[08:47] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: choose an mp3 for xmms to play. Make sure the output plugin is set to esound.
[08:47] <Hell-Razor> it wont even add it to the list
[08:48] <jjpmr52> sa
[08:49] <jjpmr52> can someone help me
[08:49] <Myrtti> not if you don't tell what the problem is
[08:49] <jjpmr52> when i write i can't seee what i'm writing in X chat
[08:50] <jjpmr52> but i can read after that i've done enter
[08:50] <johnnybezak> jjmpr52: its probably a colours issue
[08:50] <johnnybezak> jjmpr52:
[08:51] <andreas> G` morning
[08:52] <Hell-Razor> howcome apt-get doesnt have xmms-mp3
[08:52] <Hell-Razor> cause thats what im missing
[08:53] <Myrtti> Hell-Razor: because mp3 is a closed format
[08:53] <Myrtti> add a debian repository, then search
[08:53] <Myrtti> you'll prolly find it then
[08:53] <Hell-Razor> how do i add a debian repo
[08:53] <Myrtti> nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:53] <crimsun> xmms-mp3?
[08:53] <andreas> open a term
[08:54] <crimsun> why would you need that?
[08:54] <andreas> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:54] <Myrtti> I'm off to shower
[08:54] <Myrtti> -->
[08:54] <Myrtti> \o/ andreas!
[08:54] <andreas> In the bottem insert this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[08:55] <andreas> save and go to term
[08:55] <andreas> sudo apt-get update
[08:55] <punkass> apt-get install xmms-mad
[08:55] <punkass> should already be in ubuntu
[08:55] <andreas> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:55] <punkass> but you have to enable 'universe' in the repository list
[08:55] <andreas> xmms isn`t in hoary
[08:56] <punkass> i dont think he is in hoary
[08:56] <crimsun> um, xmms is in main
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> no i dont have hoary
[08:56] <crimsun> both warty and hoary
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> and i already have xmms
[08:56] <Hell-Razor> just not the mp3 plugin
[08:57] <punkass> Hell-Razor: you just need xmms-mad
[08:57] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: sure you do: dpkg -L xmms|grep mpg
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> that mad did it
[08:58] <Hell-Razor> ty guys
[08:58] <punkass> np
[08:59] <soleblaze> how do you edit the applications menu under gnome 2.9?
[08:59] <crimsun> 2.9? You don't.
[08:59] <crimsun> You can add .desktop files, however.
[08:59] <punkass> to here /usr/share/applications
[08:59] <GhostFreeman> How do you change the default display font in Firefox?
[09:00] <soleblaze> err, who thought of that idea
[09:00] <soleblaze> are you going to be able to in 2.10?
[09:00] <punkass> crimsun: is there something being added to hoary before the release for that?
[09:00] <crimsun> punkass: no
[09:01] <andreas> bugfixes
[09:01] <punkass> hmm might have to warm up my python skills and create something :)
[09:01] <crimsun> go for it
[09:01] <punkass> skills...who am i kidding lol
[09:01] <andreas> Well... huys and dolls
[09:01] <andreas> guys that was
[09:01] <soleblaze> crimsun: you know why they changed it so you can't edit it?
[09:02] <andreas> Can anyone help me change the splash screen?
[09:02] <punkass> tho i have already created a glade interface for it...but thats the easy part
[09:04] <Quarupt> what are some of the ftp packages ?
[09:04] <punkass> vsftpd
[09:04] <punkass> thast what you need
[09:04] <crimsun> soleblaze: it's probably more fruitful to search the history of the gnome-menus module
[09:05] <Quarupt> punkass, Will is set itself up? how to create accounts, and tell it what directories?
[09:08] <punkass> Quarupt: sorry never set it up before
[09:08] <Quarupt> lol great
[09:09] <andreas> what are you talking about?
[09:09] <punkass> i do everything through sftp
[09:09] <Quarupt> sftp?
[09:09] <Quarupt> how do i use it?
[09:09] <punkass> its part of ssh
[09:09] <Quarupt> oh
[09:10] <Quarupt> i just wanna set up an account i can use from work
[09:10] <punkass> so you just log in with your regular user name etc
[09:10] <Quarupt> so i have personal file storage there
[09:10] <punkass> then you have access to all your files in your home directory etc
[09:10] <Quarupt> ok
[09:10] <punkass> and its waaay more secure than ftp
[09:13] <Quarupt> yea but ya have to do all that wget and uploading can be difficult
[09:13] <Quarupt> oh i know the problem, i cant use telnet or a ssh client at work
[09:13] <Quarupt> just http
[09:13] <Quarupt> this is why i wanted to use ftp
[09:14] <punkass> how come? do they block ports?
[09:14] <Quarupt> No, just againts the rules
[09:14] <punkass> ah
[09:14] <Quarupt> and my boss is constatly over my shoulder
[09:14] <Quarupt> its a shared workstation
[09:14] <punkass> well then vsftp would be good...
[09:14] <punkass> ah
[09:15] <Quarupt> How can i setup an account?
[09:15] <punkass> i understand the no telnet rule but ssh is pretty secure
[09:15] <punkass> i dunno...apt-get it then read the docs
[09:16] <onkarshinde> When is next release scheduled?
[09:16] <crimsun> april
[09:17] <Quarupt> maybe theres a way to set up a vnc server so i can use the java applet online to connect to my comp at work
[09:17] <gma> I can't find tomboy packages for warty, but I used to have 'em. Has the getsweeea repo dropped 'em?
[09:18] <onkarshinde> crimsun: thanks.
[09:18] <punkass> yeah but how do you transfer your files across?
[09:18] <Quarupt> good question
[09:18] <Quarupt> maybe there is a web client for shh somewhere
[09:19] <TTilus> Quarupt: can't install nothing on your "remote" computer (at work)?
[09:20] <punkass> Quarupt: i just install vsftp, and with out doing anything i can goto ftp://localhost and its there
[09:21] <Quarupt> punkass, mine hangs on beginning ftp transaction
[09:23] <TTilus> Quarupt: if you can get vnc connection, do you _need_ to transfer files
[09:24] <lool> what's the simplest way of getting the gnome-desktop-environment in Ubuntu?  tasksel?
[09:25] <viper12> lool........???ubuntu uses the gnome desktop by default.
[09:26] <lool> viper12: I've just dchroot'ed a new environment, so only the base pacakges are installed
[09:26] <viper12> use apt then.
[09:26] <lool> I'd like to go to the point where I have a "standard hoary", but I've no clue where the default list of packages is
[09:26] <virtuald> get ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <lool> viper12: sure, on gnome-desktop-environment?
[09:26] <punkass> apt-get install ubut....what he said :)
[09:26] <lool> ah ubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <viper12> nods
[09:27] <viper12> i was referring to the method of "getting" not the actual package. lol
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> howcome i cannot install transcode guys?
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:27] <Hell-Razor>   transcode: Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[09:27] <Hell-Razor>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> does make any sense
[09:27] <viper12> just dinking around with xfce right now.........pretty sweet lil' gui for older boxes imho
[09:27] <lool> Hell-Razor: where did you get transcode?
[09:27] <Hell-Razor> lool: apt-get install transcode
[09:28] <lool> Hell-Razor: W: Unable to locate package transcode
[09:28] <viper12> i think he was askin' which repos you needed to add to sources.
[09:28] <lool> Hell-Razor: get the videolan repo
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> hrm
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> which one is that
[09:28] <Hell-Razor> i just isntalled ubuntu last night
[09:28] <lool> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
[09:29] <punkass> Quarupt: ok so i made a couple changes to the conf file now i have no anon login and use my username and password to login
[09:29] <Quarupt> whcih one?
[09:30] <punkass> vsftpd
[09:30] <Quarupt> can ya login via browser?
[09:30] <punkass> i just logged in via gftp..let me try browser
[09:30] <Hell-Razor>   transcode: Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[09:31] <Hell-Razor>              Depends: libvorbis0 (>= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> E: Broken packages
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> sigh
[09:31] <lool> Hell-Razor: again, where did you get trasncode? from Marillat's repo?
[09:31] <punkass> Quarupt: yup firefox asks for username and password
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> imn trying to
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> i dont have it
[09:31] <Quarupt> ok
[09:31] <Hell-Razor> lool, im trying to apt-get it...i do not have it yet
[09:32] <lool> Hell-Razor: yeah, but you're trying to get it from Marillat's repository?
[09:32] <Myrtti> did you do that sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> lool, i believe
[09:32] <lool> Hell-Razor: 'cause I strongly recommend you avoid using it
[09:32] <Hell-Razor> lool, whys that
[09:32] <lool> it's completely messed up, and unofficial
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> well
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> i need to get growisofs
[09:33] <Hell-Razor> bad
[09:34] <punkass> crimsun:ping
[09:34] <Quarupt> punkass, ok im gunna install it from synaptic, and edit the conf, or try anyways
[09:34] <punkass> ok..well it worked for me
[09:35] <crimsun> punkass: pong
[09:35] <Quarupt> wheres the conf?
[09:35] <punkass> crimsun: i just noticed that sudo touch afile makes the owner root and the group staff...is the staff part something new to hoary?
[09:36] <crimsun> not that I know of. What's pwd?
[09:36] <punkass> hmm
[09:36] <Quarupt> punkass, wheres the conf?
[09:37] <punkass> well i did a sudo touch in the home dir and it made it group staff
[09:37] <HardKase> ok
[09:37] <punkass> but if i do a sudo touch in my own home dir then it makes it root:root
[09:37] <HardKase> my default ubuntu install has the totem movie player
[09:37] <punkass> Quarupt: /etc/vsftpd.conf
[09:38] <Quarupt> thx
[09:38] <Quarupt> how do i rehash it?
[09:38] <punkass> ?
[09:38] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here know what growisofs comes from? what package?
[09:38] <punkass> crimsun: well i did a sudo touch in the home dir and it made it root:staff
[09:39] <punkass> crimsun: but if i do a sudo touch in my own home dir then it makes it root:root
[09:39] <crimsun> Hell-Razor: dvd+rw-tools
[09:40] <joh_> is there any way in a debian system to see which package a file comes from?
[09:40] <Hell-Razor> crimsun: i have that installed but yet i do now have a groisofs
[09:40] <crimsun> joh_: dpkg -S, dlocate, apt-file, ...
[09:40] <joh_> crimsun, hehe, OK :*)
[09:41] <crimsun> punkass: that makes sense:
[09:41] <crimsun> punkass: ls -l /
[09:41] <crimsun> drwxrwsr-x   13 root staff  4096 Mar  7 05:31 home
[09:41] <punkass> haha sorry...you are right..must be gettin sleepy
[09:41] <punkass> thanks
[09:41] <crimsun> np
[09:43] <Quarupt> punkass, is it setup be default as a dameon?
[09:43] <punkass> yes i believe so
[09:43] <Quarupt> so its allready running? is it port 20 or 21?
[09:43] <punkass> 21
[09:44] <punkass> in your browser just goto ftp://localhost
[09:44] <punkass> or ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:45] <Quarupt> I know but i need to setup port forwarding on my router
[09:45] <Quarupt> so what port?
[09:45] <punkass> it says right in the config file
[09:45] <Hell-Razor> does anybody here use dvd backup
[09:46] <Quarupt> so its 20 okay
[09:46] <Quarupt> and it didnt ask for a log on when i used my browser to connect?
[09:46] <punkass> Quarupt: its port 21
[09:46] <Quarupt> oh ok
[09:47] <Quarupt> why didnt it want a logon when i connected?
[09:47] <punkass> i guess that port in the config is not the listening port
[09:47] <Quarupt> and i cant go anywhere lol
[09:47] <Quarupt> grr
[09:48] <punkass> because by default it is set for no local and only anonymous access
[09:48] <Quarupt> oh
[09:48] <punkass> set this: anonymous_enable=NO
[09:48] <Quarupt> the conf says comment this out to allow anon access?
[09:48] <punkass> and this: local_enable=YES
[09:49] <punkass> then you will have no anon access and it will ask you for username and password
[09:49] <Quarupt> okay
[09:49] <punkass> and dont forget to do: /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[09:49] <Quarupt> i made the changes
[09:49] <punkass> after the changes
[09:49] <Quarupt> thats what i meant when i asked howto rehash
[09:49] <Quarupt> cool
[09:49] <punkass> ah
[09:50] <Quarupt> grr, it still doesnt come up with a login prompt?
[09:50] <Quarupt> wanna take a look at my conf
[09:50] <Quarupt> ill paste it in #flood
[09:51] <punkass> well those are the only two lines i edited ...i left all the rest default
[09:51] <Quarupt> are ya there
[09:51] <Quarupt> im gunna paste
[09:52] <punkass> well i just said that those two lines are the only lines i changed
[09:52] <punkass> join #flood
[09:52] <punkass> oops
[09:54] <Quarupt> please just look for me
[09:54] <punkass> Quarupt: haha yours asked me for a login
[09:54] <punkass> so its working
[09:54] <punkass> i just went there with firefox
[09:55] <punkass> 530 Login incorrect...:)
[09:56] <Gillisadick> heya
[09:56] <HardKase> still gotta fix that
[09:56] <HardKase> well
[09:56] <Quarupt> then why dont i get a login when i try?
[09:56] <HardKase> i have the basic commands under control
[09:56] <Quarupt> ya same with me
[09:56] <Quarupt> I think firefox is trying to login anon
[09:56] <Quarupt> must be somewhere to change it in prefs
[09:56] <HardKase> is there some way of copying files from a windows machine to a linux machine ?
[09:57] <fab31> hi ! :)
[09:57] <punkass> Quarupt: yeah maybe..but it seems to be working
[09:57] <HardKase> i suppose i could set up an ftp accross the network or something
[09:57] <GNAM> hi, i'm newbie of gcc
[09:57] <GNAM> how can I configure search path?
[09:57] <GNAM> for libraries
[09:57] <fab31> -L
[09:57] <punkass> HardKase: you could just make a share on the windows machine
[09:57] <GNAM> is there a configuration file?
[09:57] <punkass> and Ubuntu should be able to see it
[09:58] <fab31> GNAM: -L <path> for libs, -I <path> for includes
[09:58] <fab31> GNAM: no config file, it's a compiler =)
[09:58] <GNAM> ok thanks
[09:58] <GNAM> i need a .bat file ;)
[09:58] <fab31> erg
[09:58] <fab31> you can use
[09:58] <fab31> CFLAGS and LDFLAGS
[09:58] <fab31> export CFLAGS=-I/some/path
[09:59] <HardKase> punkass - i have a share on the windows machine
[09:59] <fab31> or LDFLAS=-L...
[09:59] <HardKase> ie .. the one im talking to you on now
[09:59] <Quarupt> punkass, ok i used different browser got a prompt, and then it sais could not open dir?
[09:59] <Quarupt> could not enter folder?
[09:59] <fab31> how can I get it working ? I want to install the debian package "gaphor"
[09:59] <fab31> Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed
[10:00] <fab31> how can I force it ?
[10:00] <Quarupt> -f
[10:00] <punkass> Quarupt: i dunno..ya got me..if you make a temp user i can try from my end..but other than that i am not sure
[10:00] <punkass> HardKase: then ubuntu should be able to see it
[10:01] <punkass> HardKasd: under Network Servers i believe
[10:01] <fab31> Quarupt: apt-get -f install gapho
[10:01] <fab31> do the same
[10:02] <Quarupt> what is gapho?
[10:02] <Quarupt> i dun want a client
[10:02] <fab31> gaphor
[10:02] <Quarupt> i need to do a web browser
[10:02] <Quarupt> cause im setting it up to use it from work
[10:03] <punkass> fab31: i got the same error..running the latest hoary release
[10:03] <HardKase> how do i install SMB support ?
[10:03] <esher> whats the ubuntu mp3 plugin to play mp3 ?
[10:04] <fab31> punkass: no workaround ?
[10:04] <punkass> esher: gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:04] <esher> tnx
[10:04] <punkass> np
[10:05] <Quarupt> man, can it be this hard to setup ftp
[10:06] <HardKase> ok
[10:06] <punkass> Quarupt, if you make a temp user i will try to login
[10:06] <Quarupt> oh ya i did
[10:06] <punkass> fab31: sorry not that i know of
[10:06] <HardKase> i need SMB support installed in order to run this on a windows network, is that correct ?
[10:07] <punkass> HardKase: only if you want to share files on the linux machine i believe
[10:07] <punkass> i have a fresh install of hoary here and i can see my windows machine
[10:07] <HardKase> punkass - ok. so i should be able to see the windows machine fine ?
[10:08] <HardKase> ok. where do i get SMB ?
[10:08] <HardKase> i take it it doesn't Stand for Super Mario Brothers.
[10:09] <HardKase> k
[10:09] <HardKase> ill bbiab
[10:09] <HardKase> whats a good linux irc client ?
[10:09] <fab31> HardKase: irssi
[10:09] <fab31> HardKase: or xchat maybe
[10:10] <punkass> xchat
[10:11] <punkass> HardKase: the main files are samba, smbfs, samba-client
[10:17] <esher> are there any mplayer package ready for ubuntu ?
[10:18] <punkass> esher: i believe there is but use synaptic search for anything you are curious about
[10:19] <hyphen-> howdy folks
[10:19] <xxenon> is root login disabled by default ?
[10:19] <hyphen-> yes
[10:19] <hyphen-> ive got a question for you guys
[10:19] <xxenon> how to get rid of thaz ?
[10:19] <xxenon> that*
[10:19] <hyphen-> not sure if you can
[10:19] <hyphen-> just use sudo
[10:19] <hyphen-> itll act as root
[10:20] <xxenon> I need to login in console
[10:20] <punkass> and if you want root for a full terminal just do sudo -s
[10:20] <xxenon> ok
[10:20] <punkass> then you will be root till you close the terminal
[10:20] <hyphen-> can anyone show me how to mount an undetected usb hd?
[10:21] <mgedmin> what's holding up https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1753 (ugly X cursors)?
[10:21] <HardKase> punkass - your right. i cant get my laptop onto the internet via my router. but i can see the other windows machines. i couldn't do that when i had xp on that machine. lol
[10:22] <punkass> hehe
[10:22] <mgedmin> oops, I meant https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6172
[10:24] <HardKase> punkass - any suggestions for getting my linux machine to connect via the router ?
[10:25] <punkass> wireless or wired?
[10:25] <HardKase> the network is working, and the gateway is set
[10:25] <HardKase> wired
[10:25] <HardKase> same network as the other machines
[10:25] <HardKase> i can see them
[10:25] <HardKase> its just not going online
[10:25] <punkass> ifconfig
[10:25] <hyphen-> have you edited your resolv.conf?
[10:25] <HardKase> resolv.conf ?
[10:26] <hyphen-> yeah
[10:26] <HardKase> whats ifconfig ?
[10:26] <HardKase> wqhats resolv.conf ?
[10:26] <hyphen-> run sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[10:26] <punkass> its a command that will tell you your ip
[10:26] <HardKase> or
[10:26] <HardKase> i specified my ip
[10:26] <punkass> ah ok
[10:26] <HardKase> to one on the networks range
[10:26] <raghu> HardKase: try pinging to some near by machine
[10:26] <punkass> did you set your gateway as the ip of the router
[10:27] <HardKase> raghu - its on the network. i can acess the other machines, and copy files accross
[10:27] <HardKase> i just cant get onto the net via the router.
[10:27] <raghu> HardKase: ok
[10:27] <HardKase> punkass - indeed i did
[10:27] <raghu> HardKase: try pinging to gaterway can you ping?
[10:27] <punkass> do: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:28] <HardKase> k
[10:28] <HardKase> ill try that and brb
[10:28] <HardKase> ill tryin pinging it too
[10:28] <HardKase> bbiab
[10:30] <hyphen-> anyone wanna help me mount a usb device?
[10:30] <raghu> hyphen-: try dmesg|less to check weather it is beendetected
[10:30] <punkass> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /the/mount/path
[10:31] <punkass> and what raghu said
[10:31] <hyphen-> k
[10:31] <hyphen-> let me try that
[10:31] <hyphen-> yeah, it's being detected
[10:32] <hyphen->  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0:
[10:32] <hyphen-> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[10:32] <hyphen-> USB Mass Storage device found at 5
[10:32] <hyphen-> and what should the mount path be?
[10:32] <punkass> whatever you want
[10:32] <hyphen-> ah
[10:32] <punkass> you can make a directory in your home dir if you like
[10:33] <punkass> or use /mnt/newdir
[10:33] <punkass> or whatever
[10:33] <prego> I cannot make firefox or epiphany show antialiased fonts everywhere unless I select "use these fonts always". For instance, slahsdot news header is not antialiades (while the news body is OK).
[10:33] <prego> (I'm using hoary)
[10:34] <hyphen-> it says the file system isn't supported by the kernel
[10:34] <hyphen-> :(
[10:34] <prego> Hoewever that setting is not fine since sans sites show serif-like :-((
[10:34] <hyphen-> but it was working fine last night
[10:34] <hyphen-> i tried all file systems, but it's a fat32
[10:35] <prego> hyphen-, check it has not partitions
[10:35] <punkass> you tried mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mount/pint
[10:35] <hyphen-> oh, lemme try that.
[10:36] <hyphen-> prego: i had trouble checking it in windows as well
[10:36] <prego> hyphen-, does it mount as punkass says?
[10:36] <hyphen-> no :/
[10:36] <hyphen-> just tried
[10:37] <hyphen-> just gives me a help list of the mount command
[10:39] <prego> hyphen-, that is not correct. check the syntax... try either of these two lines:
[10:39] <prego> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/pint
[10:39] <prego> mount /dev/sda /mnt/pint
[10:39] <prego> (assumming, /mnt/pint is the already created mount directory)
[10:39] <punkass> hmm that -t vfat should have worked
[10:40] <hyphen-> yeah, it says that i need to specify filetype
[10:40] <hyphen-> but when i add the -t vfat it gives me the list
[10:40] <prego> punkass, filesystem should have been detected
[10:40] <hyphen-> and when i use another fs type it says the kernel doesnt support it
[10:40] <xxenon> I added universe to get KDE, but KDE does not appear in GDM, any clue ?
[10:40] <punkass> yes is should , but sometimes it doesnt
[10:40] <hyphen-> yeah, i used this exact same usb drive last night
[10:41] <hyphen-> i dont know what happened
[10:41] <punkass> could have been like my wife and put it though the washing machine ;)
[10:41] <hyphen-> lol
[10:41] <hyphen-> i have some serious projects on there that i CANT lose
[10:41] <punkass> lucky for me it still worked
[10:42] <MyNameIsChris> I have given up and need help, I just replaced my 2ch speakers with 5.1ch on my ICH5R machine running Warty. How do I set them up?
[10:42] <GNAM> how can i made a tilde character on linux? altgr+ ?
[10:43] <prego> hyphen-, what about trying on another machine?
[10:43] <punkass> shift + `
[10:43] <hardkase_> hi
[10:43] <hyphen-> prego: i've tried booting from winxp, didnt mount, and other winxp boxes as well
[10:43] <hyphen-> it detects it, but doesn't assign it a letter
[10:43] <hardkase_> i got my linux box on irc!
[10:43] <hardkase_> it was dns settings
[10:43] <prego> GNAM, (in my keyboard, altgr+4)
[10:44] <hyphen-> i checked the disk properties in winxp and it said "unallocated" under it
[10:44] <GNAM> uhm, i must config keyboard better
[10:44] <hyphen-> but when i was using a shareware disc recovery tool it found all my files and folders
[10:44] <punkass> hyphen: that is bad i believe :0
[10:44] <hyphen-> nooooo!
[10:44] <hyphen-> how can i fix it? :(
[10:45] <punkass> well what happened with the recovery tool?
[10:45] <hyphen-> it's shareware, they tried to charge me like $100 dollars
[10:45] <GNAM> @[[] ] }}``~~~~~
[10:45] <GNAM> wow found.
[10:45] <prego> GNAM, lol
[10:45] <hyphen-> but i'm trying to go all alternate routes, i don't want to blow money out of my ass for something i can fix myself...if possible
[10:46] <punkass> ah i see
[10:46] <hyphen-> what's it mean when the disk contents is unallocated?
[10:46] <prego> hyphen-, I agree, but I can't help you any further :-(((
[10:46] <hyphen-> poo, well thanks for trying man
[10:46] <punkass> yeah its sounds like the partition table or something is hosed on the drive
[10:46] <hyphen-> fuuuck
[10:46] <pepsi> do you remember exactly how the partitions were setup?
[10:46] <prego> hyphen-, it means probably that it cannot find a filesystem as much as linux can't also
[10:46] <hyphen-> it was just one large partition
[10:47] <hyphen-> fat32 partition
[10:47] <punkass> and i dont know any freeware data recovery tools
[10:47] <pepsi> so put it back
[10:47] <pepsi> just dont format
[10:47] <hyphen-> put what back?
[10:47] <punkass> getdataback is a good one but its shareware too
[10:47] <pepsi> the partition table
[10:47] <hyphen-> how would i put the partition table back without having to repartition the drive?
[10:47] <punkass> tho i know there is 'fixed' versions of it floating around the web
[10:47] <hyphen-> ahh
[10:47] <hyphen-> maybe i oughtta check some xdcc bots
[10:48] <pepsi> you can repartition to your hearts content and nothing will happen
[10:48] <pepsi> till you intialize one of the partitions
[10:48] <hyphen-> so wait, i use a partition app to partition the drive, but don't partition the drive?
[10:48] <hyphen-> i'm lost =/
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> '/. is fsked again
[10:48] <MyNameIsChris> :'(
[10:48] <pepsi> partition != initialize
[10:48] <hyphen-> ooh
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> Fixed
[10:49] <MyNameIsChris> Phew
[10:49] <hyphen-> can someone recommend good partition software that i can get through apt?
[10:49] <pepsi> whats wrong with fdisk
[10:49] <hyphen-> dont like the interface too much :P
[10:50] <punkass> gparted is gtk gui
[10:50] <hyphen-> ah, ak
[10:51] <hyphen-> brb folks
[10:52] <hardkase_> punkass - thank you. i think i may finally have enough of a grasp of this linux thing to actually make it work :)
[10:53] <punkass> hardkase_: no problem..glad yer havin fun
[10:53] <ntoll> hi, PHP5 is going to be in hoary?
[10:53] <hardkase_> im installing acrobat reader! im practicall 1337 now
[10:54] <punkass> ntoll: so far i only see php4 in hoary..
[10:55] <punkass> hardkase_: there is a new acrobat reader beta 7 out..its pretty nice..a lot nicer than 5.5
[10:55] <punkass> hopefully adobe will release the full version soon
[10:58] <Jerub> acrobat 6 works fine in wine
[10:58] <Jerub> iirc
[10:58] <Jerub> I used to use it instead of the dodgy native version
[10:58] <punkass> yeah but the navtive 7 is pretty nice
[10:58] <punkass> *native
[10:58] <Jerub> punkass: but it doesn't run on linux does it?
[10:59] <punkass> well adobe release a beta of 7 which was native to linux
[10:59] <punkass> but the full release hasnt come out yet
[10:59] <punkass> i got to try it and it was pretty slick
[10:59] <cezar[] > hi guys, does ubuntu live cd have X and gaim on it ?
[11:00] <punkass> pretty much the same as the windows 7 version
[11:00] <punkass> yes
[11:00] <cezar[] > or is there a contents list ?
[11:00] <punkass> cezar[] : yes it does have both
[11:00] <Amaranth> err
[11:00] <Amaranth> how do i change my gdm theme?
[11:00] <Amaranth> i have the one i want in /usr/share/gdm/themes already
[11:01] <Amaranth> i just can't find the tool that lets me change that anymore in hoary
[11:01] <punkass> System > Prefs > Theme
[11:02] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't see anything about gdm in there
[11:02] <prego> punkass, is that beta of acrobat 7 avaiable anywhere?
[11:02] <Amaranth> i thought that's where it'd be too
[11:02] <hyphen> okay, so how do i go about putting the partition info back into my hd?
[11:03] <Amaranth> oh
[11:03] <punkass> i tried looking for it and could not find it anywhere...i mean its the internet so it must be out there somewhere ;)
[11:03] <Amaranth> System > Administration > Login Screen Setup
[11:03] <Amaranth> bleh
[11:03] <prego> punkass, is it still motif based?
[11:03] <punkass> its not near as ugly as 5 from what i remember
[11:03] <djp> can anybody here tell me how you read the email messages that are reported at the command line, for example after you apt-get? i sometimes get a message saying i have new mail in /var/mail/username or something along those lines.
[11:04] <prego> djp, you can us the "mail" command or configure evolution to read local mail
[11:04] <prego> use
[11:04] <djp> prego: thanks
[11:05] <prego> djp, mail command has a hard interface (at least at the beginning) so I would recommend you to configure evolution
[11:05] <punkass> yes mail is a little raw
[11:06] <prego> it is OK for advanced user (quick and so on), but for normal user ....
[11:06] <punkass> hehe
[11:07] <djp> prego: how would you configure evolution to read local mail?
[11:07] <Quarupt> anyone know why all the sudden my inetd is listening on my ftp port?
[11:08] <prego> djp, do you have evo already configured for extern mail?
[11:10] <djp> prego: yes
[11:11] <prego> djp, OK, then just edit mail preferences and add another account, (edit->preferences-> mail accounts->Add)
[11:12] <prego> djp, and for that account, choose at "recieving email" Server Type->Local delivery
[11:13] <prego> djp, you'll see that "configuration path" becomes /var/mail/user_name
[11:13] <prego> djp, use sendmail for sending mail or even none for this account
[11:13] <prego> djp, that should be enough.
[11:14] <prego> djp, you may also create filter so the incomming email for this account is stored at a given floder
[11:14] <prego> folder
[11:14] <djp> prego: thanks. i will give that a go now...
[11:14] <punkass> prego: is there a way to have evolution do seperate inboxs for each account sorta like thunderbird?
[11:15] <prego> punkass, yes, using filters
[11:15] <punkass> ah i see
[11:15] <prego> punkass, however the default is not to do that
[11:16] <punkass> yeah...i want to try evo but i am so used to TB that i found it awkward
[11:16] <djp> prego: what should i enter for my email address?
[11:16] <prego> djp, nothing unless you want to send email ;-) by now just user_name@localhost
[11:17] <djp> prego: the reason i ask is that i cannot progress any further until that section is filled in. i will use the username@localhost for now then, right?
[11:17] <prego> djp, that is fine
[11:17] <prego> djp, you are right
[11:17] <Treskewl> hello, anyone got some time to help me?
[11:18] <djp> prego: thanks
[11:18] <prego> Treskewl, no one, Just ask and pray
[11:18] <prego> djp, np
[11:18] <Treskewl> prego, lol
[11:19] <prego> Treskewl, I have asked once and answared another one. However my question was lost in the hyperspace :-P/;-)
[11:20] <Treskewl> ok, here goes. Anyone know what this means: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1)
[11:20] <prego> Treskewl, wow
[11:21] <Treskewl> prego, lol, I came home from work and rebooted my server and got that.. :/
[11:21] <prego> Treskewl, which filesystem were you using?
[11:23] <prego> Treskewl, also, try a live CD and see if you can mount the partition manually
[11:24] <Treskewl> prego, i tried a live cd, and i tried to get into it but i dont know entirely what to do
[11:24] <Amaranth> oh man, the animated progress bar in clearlooks 0.4 looks fantastic
[11:25] <punkass> ding-ding!
[11:25] <prego> Amaranth, not everyone likes it, but I agree
[11:25] <punkass> i think it is subtle enough not to offend to many people
[11:26] <VladDrac> 'llo
[11:26] <VladDrac> does anyone if it's possible to disable tapping on a laptops touchpad? (Without any specific native drivers)
[11:26] <VladDrac> and are there any good wireless tools for ubuntu for network selection?
[11:27] <punkass> there is netapplet and someone else has just release one into the forums...i have yet to try it but it sounds pretty good
[11:27] <zeedo> VladDrac: the tappign can be controlled in the X config file
[11:27] <prego> Treskewl, just, for instance, with the CDlive, mkdir /mnt/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[11:28] <VladDrac> zeedo do you happen to know which option?
[11:28] <prego> Treskewl, sorry, you can browse the hard disk??
[11:29] <punkass> ValdDrac: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18466&highlight=wireless
[11:29] <VladDrac> cheers
[11:29] <VladDrac> (kwifimanager isn't an option I just found out)
[11:30] <Treskewl> prego, i just worked out how to do it and mounted the drive. I have full access now. Any ideas where to start?
[11:30] <VladDrac> ah, gtk+python, what more could I want :)
[11:30] <punkass> hehe..well that link has only been posted a couple o days so it may be buggy..but probably worth a shot
[11:30] <prego> Treskewl, probably I'm wrong but it looks like the grub configuration is wrong so the machine wont start
[11:31] <prego> Treskewl, I suggest you check the [---] /boot/grub/menu.lst from the mounted drive
[11:31] <gsuveg> re
[11:32] <punkass|zzzz> nite all
[11:32] <gsuveg> anyone use vncserver ? i cant start it under hoary
[11:32] <djp> prego: thanks for the help. working like a charm!
[11:33] <prego> Treskewl, however you may probably need to do more advanced things like chrooting (and here I cannot help you since I don't know really how it works)
[11:33] <prego> djp, ;-))
[11:33] <hardkase_> hey
[11:33] <hardkase_> im having some trouble with totem
[11:33] <punkass|zzzz> gsuveg: something like vncserver -geometry 800x600 -depth 24
[11:33] <hardkase_> it failed to create a gstreamer play object
[11:33] <hardkase_>  updated all that
[11:34] <hardkase_> :/
[11:35] <punkass|zzzz> hardkase_: try gst-register-0.8
[11:36] <hardkase_> gst register 0.8 ?
[11:36] <hardkase_> how do i run that >
[11:36] <punkass|zzzz> gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <hardkase_> im basically copying commands outta the newbie guide :)
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> sudo gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> or sorry no sudo
[11:37] <punkass|zzzz> just: gst-register-0.8
[11:37] <hardkase_> ahah
[11:37] <hardkase_> thanks man
[11:38] <hardkase_> is it possible to mount virtual drives >
[11:38] <hardkase_> ??
[11:38] <punkass|zzzz> well when you create a virtual drive it is usually mounted i believe
[11:38] <hardkase_> uhh. i mean virtual cd drives
[11:39] <hardkase_> and that didn't work
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> oh
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> well i am not sure on both of those questions
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> it is 2:30am here..and i am very sleeepy
[11:39] <VladDrac> 'tpconfig' sounds like something interesting to disable tapping..
[11:39] <punkass|zzzz> i think you might be able to mount an iso image...(maybe)
[11:40] <hardkase_> ahh well
[11:40] <Quarupt> its 230 am here and i have had 2 oxycotins and im still stayn up
[11:40] <punkass|zzzz> hehe
[11:40] <prego> hardhase_, to mount an iso image: sudo mount -o loop file.iso /mnt/destiny
[11:40] <hardkase_> haha
[11:41] <hardkase_> well. its notquite working yet
[11:41] <hardkase_> ill work on it some more tommorrow
[11:41] <prego> hardkase_, provided the /mnt/desitny exists
[11:41] <hardkase_> prego, ill look into it
[11:41] <hardkase_> thanks for that
[11:41] <Quarupt> is vmware free?
[11:41] <jesuel> Nope
[11:42] <Quarupt> grr
[11:42] <jesuel> Vmware is a commercial product
[11:42] <jesuel> and a not cheap one at that.
[11:42] <Quarupt> do they have a trial or something?
[11:42] <jesuel> I believe there is.
[11:42] <jesuel> Or at least there was.
[11:42] <coroner> my applications menu seems to crash alot, i havent installed any new programs since last reboot either. when i say crash i mean, the applications menu will expand but accessories, games etc wont open to show the files within? any idea why this happens?
[11:42] <prego> Quarupt, Vmware is an excellent quality commercial product, thought
[11:43] <jesuel> prego, aye it is good
[11:43] <prego> coroner, perhaps something failed at config when last update
[11:44] <coroner> it was working fine up until about 2 mins ago
[11:44] <Quarupt> which vmware product do i need to run ubuntu64 from Ubuntu?
[11:44] <prego> coroner, there is an dpkg option to config all unconfigured packages
[11:44] <soulhack> How (if) do I enable ubuntu to play MP3's?
[11:44] <jesuel> Quarupt, What are you trying to do anyhow?
[11:44] <coroner> okay prego ill have a look for that cheers
[11:45] <prego> Quarupt, you have a 64bit CPU, don't you?
[11:45] <Quarupt> ya
[11:45] <prego> coroner, also you may try if that happens with any other user
[11:45] <jesuel> I have a 64bit cpu as well. I run hoary x86_64 for most stuff, but I have a few applications chroot'ed into a 32bit environment
[11:46] <Quarupt> jesper, sounds like its complicated to do
[11:46] <Quarupt> where can i get this Hoary x86_64 iso?
[11:46] <prego> Quarupt, listen to jesuel. Eventhough vmware is good, the resulting performance is about 50% of the machine possibilities....
[11:46] <jesuel> Quarupt, uh, array-6 has a 64bit iso
[11:47] <Quarupt> what is array 6?
[11:47] <jesuel> prego, vmware is actually very fast
[11:47] <jesuel> prego, but im cheap :)
[11:47] <chantry> how can I enable automatically dma on my cdrom at boot ? I have to launch /etc/init.d/hdparm after each reboot
[11:47] <jesuel> array-6 is the hoary testing canidate that was released a few days ago
[11:47] <prego> jesuel, I was sure that the performance was about a 50%
[11:47] <Quarupt> ok so where can i dl the ISO?
[11:48] <jesuel> Quarupt, Array 6 is released! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary/array-6/
[11:48] <jesuel> what cpu do you have?
[11:48] <Quarupt> AMD athlon 64 3200
[11:48] <Quarupt> i think
[11:48] <hardkase_> :)
[11:48] <Quarupt> the one thats backwards compatible for 32
[11:48] <jesuel> prego, shrug. I can tell.  I've problem on my 2 laptops, so there is something wrong I guess
[11:50] <jesuel> Quarupt, It *IS* backwards  compatible. IE, you can run 64bit applications. Although you might want to download the i386 version. It runs a little better in my opinion and then if you require a 64 bit application you can chroot that.
[11:50] <chantry> Burgundavia, it works here
[11:50] <prego> Burgundavia, also works for me
[11:50] <Quarupt> jesuel, i am running the i386 right now
[11:50] <jesuel> ok
[11:51] <Quarupt> the whole point is that i wanna try the 64bit one
[11:51] <jesuel> oh
[11:51] <jesuel> then download it :)
[11:51] <Quarupt> lol
[11:51] <jesuel> everything *should* work.
[11:51] <Quarupt> is it a bitch not having 32bit stuff
[11:51] <chantry> where can I find some help please?
[11:51] <soulhack> how do i enable linux to play my MP3? :)
[11:51] <jesuel> You can have 32bit stuff, its just a pain to run it
[11:51] <prego> Quarupt, there is also the liveCD for 64bit....
[11:51] <HardKase> grr
[11:51] <StoffBox-Steve> gi guys i have a question, how can i see application/x-ms-dos-executable in plaintext, what editor i need ?
[11:51] <prego> soulhack, install gstreamer-mda
[11:51] <jesuel> prego, aye
[11:52] <HardKase> the damn laptop just died
[11:52] <soulhack> where can i find all those things?
[11:52] <jesuel> soulhack,  sudo apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[11:52] <prego> oh, sorry it is gstreamer-mad, yes
[11:52] <soulhack> that was silly easy
[11:52] <Quarupt> Man, i love the internet today, when i first started using it, downloading a 560MB iso in under 15 mins was UNHEARD of
[11:52] <jesuel> soulhack, thats how it is.
[11:52] <soulhack> haha
[11:53] <jesuel> Quarupt, heh, yeah i downloaded the iso for ubuntu quick too
[11:53] <jesuel> course I have about ~30 mbit/sec download speed
[11:53] <soulhack> hey, someone gave me a link to a site yesterday- there were a lot of umm.. code-snippets, how-to get that working
[11:53] <HardKase> Quarupt - i remember when the internet was unheard of
[11:53] <Quarupt> damn wish i had a blank so i could actually burn it
[11:53] <soulhack> ofc i lost the link
[11:53] <HardKase> hopping from bbs to bbs
[11:53] <HardKase> on my 2600
[11:53] <prego> Quarupt, jesuel you are very bad guys, my connection is much slower ;-P
[11:53] <Quarupt> no way i can mount the ISo and install like that is there?
[11:53] <jesuel> HardKase, dude I started with bbs's on  a 300baud modem
[11:53] <monsun> hi everyone, server related question: any chance of php4-mysql and similar being supported in hoary? it's in universe at the moment, but i'd like to put hoary on a web server that i'm setting up soon, and i'd really like to stay clear of universe if at all possible...
[11:54] <jesuel> Quarupt, you could, but its suggested to just burn it :)
[11:54] <Quarupt> aww i dropped down to 400K
[11:54] <HardKase> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ <-- soulback
[11:54] <soulhack> thanks
[11:54] <Burgundavia> prego, chantry: thanks
[11:54] <Quarupt> lol complaining about 400k, never thought id see the day
[11:54] <jesuel> prego, what kinda connect on?
[11:54] <HardKase> heh
[11:55] <HardKase> any advice when i comes to running media on a linux machine ?
[11:55] <Quarupt> thast like 1 Mbit
[11:55] <prego> jesuel, 54Kbyte/sec at max
[11:55] <jesuel> prego, mine = 30mbit down / 5mbit up w/ a /29 ip netblock
[11:55] <jesuel> prego, ew
[11:56] <Quarupt> i guess i could use this CDRW, but its my ultimate boot disk with INSERT!
[11:56] <prego> jesuel, I don't understand how you can donwload an iso in 15 minutes, then
[11:56] <monsun> another thing, is tomorrow's preview release likely to be much different, if at all, from the latest daily images? anyone know? please?
[11:56] <tuppa> hrm
[11:56] <tuppa> how come this usb keydrive won't be detected at all
[11:56] <tuppa> must be amd64 :\
[11:56] <Burgundavia> monsun: not really
[11:57] <tuppa> works perfectly fine under hoary in x86
[11:57] <Burgundavia> monsun: the point is that people can update and stay the same
[11:57] <jesuel> prego, try  downloading the iso in 3 minutes :)
[11:57] <jesuel> prego, thats how long it took me
[11:57] <monsun> burgundavia: thanks -- would i be better off with latest daily or array 6 if i want to install now and upgrade to final when it's released?
[11:58] <tuppa> ooooh
[11:58] <tuppa> apparently the usb ports headers on this mobo is different to the ones at the back...
[11:59] <djp> prego: what would you consider a minimum system spec to run ubuntu?
[11:59] <Quarupt> so what are pros/cons of running Ubuntu AMD64 version over i386 version?
[11:59] <Quarupt> will every app i install have to be made for 64bit os?
[12:00] <Quarupt> I dont think there is a limeiwre 64bit
[12:00] <jesuel> ill bbiab, configuring j2se + azureus
[12:00] <jesuel> Quarupt, yes. To run natively you will have to have 64bit applications throughout
[12:01] <jesuel> It /Would/ be nice for that to happen. But it will be a while for that.
[12:01] <virtuald> what about the 64bit kernel+32bit apps compatibility in the cpu? isn't it implemented in linux?
[12:01] <Burgundavia> monsun: my box is a warty preview box that is currently running the latest hoary, so I would install when you want to and let dpkg intelligently do its thing
[12:02] <soulhack> Do i need a specific player to play mp3?
[12:02] <bob2> soulhack: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:02] <lok> virtuald, amd64 hardware is compatible with 32bits apps
[12:02] <lok> but
[12:02] <tuppa> libraries are an issue
[12:02] <virtuald> B]
[12:03] <lok> some programme like flash player, wine ...etc can't handle 64
[12:03] <jesuel> lok, exactly
[12:03] <monsun> quarupt: you will get somewhat better performance with the amd64 build, since it's compiled to take advantage of all that your cpu has to offer... and i haven't found any packages missing for my amd64 installation so far...
[12:03] <prego> I've lost fam functionality with my hoary upgrade... do I have to install fam? because seems not to be a hoary package
[12:03] <Burgundavia> prego: fam is replaced by gamin
[12:03] <monsun> Burgundavia: many thanks
[12:03] <virtuald> well, 64bit libs should always be in {,/usr,/usr/local}/lib64
[12:03] <Burgundavia> prego: reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[12:03] <lok> and refuse to run in 32 bits mode because of a detection architecture etc ...
[12:03] <prego> Burgundavia, thanks
[12:03] <virtuald> ok
[12:04] <Quarupt> monsun, but i will have to find a 64bit version of everything i want to install, so if i want to use limewire, im screwed since they dont have a 64bit build yet?
[12:04] <lok> and you have to make somethings like chroot an 32bits system for make it runs
[12:04] <virtuald> heh
[12:04] <Quarupt> lok, i dont know what that means?
[12:04] <bob2> virtuald: no
[12:05] <bob2> virtuald: it depends on the system
[12:05] <virtuald> ok
[12:05] <lok> in fact one technique is to put on a partition a 32 bits system minimal wich can runs 32bits apps
[12:05] <bob2> Quarupt: almost everything you could want is in the and64 port already
[12:05] <prego> Burgundavia, what about ubuntu-kdesktop?
[12:05] <lok> the amd64 proc can runs on a 32bits so it's not a big deal
[12:05] <Quarupt> bob2 what about 3rd party stuff, like i said limewire, a must have for me
[12:06] <bob2> Quarupt: limewire is written in java
[12:06] <bob2> it doesn't care
[12:06] <Quarupt> oh okay
[12:06] <monsun> Quarupt: limewire isn't in universe?
[12:06] <Quarupt> monsun, no
[12:06] <bob2> you just need a JRE, which presumably exists
[12:06] <monsun> hmm
[12:06] <Burgundavia> prego: do you use kde?
[12:06] <Quarupt> but i have the only existing deb for the pro version
[12:06] <Rocco> how can i grab files on a windows-pc where a username and password is needed? does the windows-pc have to add me as user?
[12:06] <Quarupt> cause i made it
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try entering garbage first
[12:07] <bob2> monsun: it can't go in universe, it Depends on a non-free JRE
[12:07] <bob2> last I chewcked
[12:07] <Quarupt> it does
[12:07] <Rocco> Burgundavia: where?
[12:07] <lok> Rocco, you want to grab files by network or the windows is in the same pc that your linux?
[12:07] <Burgundavia> Rocco: for the username and password, try entering anything
[12:08] <Quarupt> so you think the 64bit version will be noticably faster?
[12:08] <Burgundavia> Rocco: if that doesn't work, try admin and the password
[12:08] <Rocco> burgundavia i wont be asekd.... it only says that he cant access the windows-pc, which is in the sam netwrk
[12:08] <bozzz> hi im a new ubuntu user
[12:08] <bob2> Quarupt: you mean the amd64 version.  probably not.
[12:08] <xiaoyu> hi
[12:08] <Quarupt> welcome bozzz
[12:08] <Burgundavia> bozzz: welcome
[12:08] <bob2> Quarupt: tho in benchmarks lots of things are usefully quicker, like gcc.
[12:08] <Quarupt> bob2, why not?
[12:09] <Rocco> bozzz: hey!
[12:09] <azriel0184> whats a good app in ubuntu to record sound from a microphone?
[12:09] <xiaoyu> I have this error msg when updating the lists with synaptics : W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:09] <xiaoyu> what does it mean, what should i do ?
[12:09] <Quarupt> so its not worth switching unless im a programmer?
[12:09] <monsun> Quarupt: probably somewhat faster, at least. what you could try to do is set up a 32-bit environment inside your 64-bit installation.
[12:09] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try the command line client - smbclient //WINDOWSPC/SHARE
[12:10] <monsun> Quarupt: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274246 explains how, but it's a bit technical...
[12:10] <Quarupt> monsun, how, why?
[12:10] <soulhack> I have a digital camera, when i plug it in to the computer via USB- nothing happens. Is there something i need to enable?
[12:10] <bob2> Quarupt: meh
[12:10] <helloyo> why do i get segmentation faults? and how do i fix them other then rebooting?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> soulhack: can you dump your dmesg output to #flood?
[12:10] <bob2> Quarupt: depends what you want to do.  if you actually care about non-free stuff, then you're probably better off staying.
[12:10] <Rocco> Burgundavia: at the moment the windows-pc is not on line
[12:10] <Burgundavia> helloyo: what are you getting seg faults in
[12:10] <bob2> helloyo: how would a reboot fix that?
[12:10] <soulhack> i hav eno clue what that means. I installed linux yesterday and i know nothing of it atm :)
[12:11] <monsun> Quarupt: that one was for debian,  http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Building_a_clean_32bit_chroot_with_debbootstrap seems to be about ubuntu
[12:11] <helloyo> bob2, it always seems to...
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Rocco: In order to access the share you will need to have it on
[12:11] <bob2> xiaoyu: run update again
[12:11] <monsun> Quarupt: also see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2740&highlight=chroot
[12:11] <helloyo> Burgundavia, this time its apt-get
[12:11] <bob2> helloyo: sounds like you have bad ram
[12:11] <Rocco> burgundavia sure ;)
[12:11] <helloyo> bob2, might be right on that... a few of my downloads have had bad checksums
[12:11] <Burgundavia> Rocco: are you trying to mount something for a dual boot machine?
[12:11] <VladDrac> gtkwifi rocks! thanks for the tip
[12:11] <Burgundavia> soulhack: are you running warty or hoary?
[12:11] <soulhack> Warty
[12:11] <Quarupt> so if i figure out this chroot stuff i will be able to run i386 stuff in the AMD64 version?
[12:11] <azriel0184> whats a good app in ubuntu to record sound from a microphone?
[12:12] <monsun> Quarupt: exactly
[12:12] <Burgundavia> soulhack: applications-->run application type in gnome-terminal
[12:12] <Rocco> Burgundavia: no, the windows-machine has "given free" some files, which i want to see and load onto my pc
[12:12] <xiaoyu> bob2: okay, it works now
[12:12] <Quarupt> azriel0184, sound recorder?
[12:12] <soulhack> Burgundavia, alright, and then?
[12:12] <Burgundavia> Rocco: ok, give the commandline client a shot, and see if that works. smb browsing under nautilus is sometimes borked
[12:12] <Quarupt> for now i will do a dual boot i386/amd64 and test it out
[12:12] <Burgundavia> soulhack: type dmesg
[12:13] <azriel0184> Quarupt, hmmm... why not? :P
[12:13] <Rocco> burgundavia a shot?
[12:13] <soulhack> Burgundavia, what did that do?
[12:13] <azriel0184> is there any way i can record to mp3?
[12:13] <Burgundavia> Rocco: try to use the cli version to test to see if you can get to the machine
[12:13] <Quarupt> cause i did spend a large amount of money on this proc, i would like to see what its capable of, if i can get fast build speeds out of it, that would be nice
[12:13] <VladDrac> abcde = cli, if you want a gui, use grip
[12:13] <Burgundavia> soulhack: actually do this dmegs > camera.txt
[12:14] <Rocco> Burgundavia: so "smbclient //windowspcname/dir/" will show me the files, right?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> soulhack: then go applications-->accesories-->text editor and open that file
[12:14] <xiaoyu> Also I have problems when installing ubuntu-desktop, problem with xorg something, the package is broken, why ?
[12:14] <Burgundavia> Rocco: it should, if it doesn't try -u and add a username and it should prompt for the password
[12:14] <soulhack> Burgundavia, it looks like my computer is crap. "APIC error on CPU0: 60(60)"
[12:14] <soulhack> it's all ove rthe place.
[12:15] <Quarupt> xiaoyu, the package isnt broken, you prolly didnt config it correctly
[12:15] <Rocco> Burgundavia: how does a network works? why do i need samba for windows-networks? is it a protokoll? can i also build up a pure linux-network with samba? what is the advantage?
[12:16] <Burgundavia> soulhack: is your machine a laptop
[12:16] <soulhack> Burgundavia, no it is not.
[12:16] <monsun> but does anyone know if any work is on the way to move php4-mysql and the like to main? it's a pretty vital package for many web servers
[12:16] <Quarupt> Do you think the install will happen faster with the AMD64 version, faster than the i386 version?
[12:16] <jesuel> hmm
[12:16] <monsun> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/server isn't very informative :)
[12:16] <djp> can anybody advise me on a minimum spec pc that ubuntu would run on?
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Rocco: samba is for accessing ServerMessageBlock systems, a windows protocol for passing files between systems
[12:16] <Burgundavia> Rocco: that is what windows shares talk to each other
[12:17] <prego> Wow, I've managed to download acrobat 7 beta, and it needs 100Mb of disk space :-((. Good news is that it uses GTK for widgets ;-)
[12:17] <Quarupt> djp it would run on a comodore 64 if it had the right kernel
[12:17] <bob2> Quarupt: not noticably
[12:17] <Burgundavia> djp: ~600Mhz will run it
[12:17] <Burgundavia> djp: that is well
[12:17] <bob2> djp: depends if you mean "Ubuntu" or "GNOME Desktop"
[12:17] <Rocco> Burgundavia: and what does linux use?
[12:17] <Quarupt> less than that
[12:17] <Quarupt> i have seen it on a 386
[12:17] <bob2> djp: for the ubuntu base system, 300MB, 48MB of ram, 486
[12:17] <djp> bob2: sure. gnome desktop
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Rocco: A variety of systems. The most common is NFS or Network File System
[12:18] <bob2> djp: gnome needs something like a 400Mhz machine with 64mb of ram to not be too iritating
[12:18] <bob2> it will be annoying, tho
[12:18] <Rocco> burgundavia ok thanks very much!
[12:18] <Quarupt> im working on getting Ubuntu on my TI-89
[12:18] <bob2> xiaoyu: you're using hoary?
[12:18] <Burgundavia> soulhack: Can you plug in the camera/turn it on and then do the dmesg thing
[12:18] <Burgundavia> soulhack: the last lines of the file should be what I need to see
[12:19] <Burgundavia> Quarupt: you are so l33t
[12:19] <djp> bob2: hmmm, so a 233mhz with 64mb ram would chug along well slow right?
[12:19] <bob2> djp: with gnome? yeah.
[12:19] <Quarupt> Burgundavia, why ya say that? being sarcastic?
[12:19] <bob2> djp: you can use a light window manager instead, if you prefer.
[12:19] <djp> bob2: cheers, thought as much...
[12:19] <Burgundavia> djp: if you have an older machine, check out xfce
[12:19] <Quarupt> or flux
[12:20] <monsun> gotta run, thanks for the help!
[12:20] <prego> Quarupt, looser, I am an hp48 man ;-P
[12:20] <azriel0184> sound recorder froze when i pressed the stop button...
[12:20] <Quarupt> prego, whats that mean?
[12:21] <Burgundavia> Quarupt: so, I was joking about your comment about the calc
[12:22] <Rocco> Burgundavia: one more question please ;) .... how can i serve files and printers (with ubuntu)
[12:22] <bob2> djp: or give gnome a try, maybe it's not so bad
[12:22] <prego> Quarupt, there is always a flamewar between TI-89 and HP-48/HP-49 calcs ;-)
[12:22] <Quarupt> lmao
[12:22] <Quarupt> theres no contest
[12:23] <daniels> the latter wins hands down
[12:23] <Burgundavia> Rocco: that is going beyond what I can tell you easily. Google samba file and printer sharing. There are some good docs out there
[12:23] <Rocco> Burgundavia: thanks very much! cu
[12:24] <azriel0184> Quarupt, sound recorder froze when i pressed the stop button...
[12:24] <Quarupt> that sux
[12:25] <azriel0184> it keeps freezing too... anyone can help?
[12:27] <Quarupt> there needs to be a color screen TI-89
[12:34] <jesuel> grr i cannot figure out how to add a new menu entry to gnome
[12:35] <Burgundavia> jesuel: there is no easy way
[12:35] <Burgundavia> jesuel: no anything about .desktop files?
[12:36] <Burgundavia> jesper: s/no/know
[12:36] <jesuel> nope not really
[12:37] <Burgundavia> jesuel: there is no menu editor for gnome now. All the data is stored in .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[12:37] <Burgundavia> one file per app
[12:37] <jesuel> oh fun
[12:37] <jesuel> guesss i get to learn ;p
[12:38] <Burgundavia> I would suggest you open your favourite text editor as root, then just open an existing file and edit and resave it as YOURAPP.desktop
[12:38] <bob2> er
[12:38] <bob2> in warty there is
[12:38] <gustav_> you can go to applications:/// in nautilus
[12:38] <Burgundavia> gustav_: no you can't
[12:39] <jesuel> Burgundavia, Got it, and I see how to do it now. EASY
[12:39] <jesuel> gustav_, in hoary thats broken
[12:39] <Burgundavia> gustav_: that has been disabled
[12:39] <Burgundavia> no broken, removed
[12:39] <Burgundavia> s/no/not
[12:39] <gustav_> ok I'm using warty
[12:39] <Quarupt> almost ready to install the AMD64 Ubuntu
[12:39] <Quarupt> is there a way i can install it from here, and stay on this Ubuntu
[12:40] <jesuel> hmm, azureus not working ..
[12:43] <Treskewl> cd
[12:43] <nastaran> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[12:44] <Quarupt> well wish me luck, ill be back in AMD64 hoefully
[12:45] <prego> Quarupt, good luck
[12:46] <prego> I'm going to restart my ubnutu, since I did not have ubuntu-destkop installed because a weird ugprade process from warty....
[12:47] <hayden> how can i find if my wireless pcmcia card is supported in linux