[02:49] <etfb> G'day.  I found a page that desperately needs editing, and I'm willing to have a go at it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes.  What's the etiquette here?
[02:50] <etfb> (Page is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles -- needs copy editing, also has a lot of redundancy that makes it almost unreadable.)
[02:51] <jjesse> etfb: change the doc and ask for forgiveness if someone complaines
[02:52] <etfb> jjesse: Excellent policy!  I shall!
[02:52] <jjesse> etfb: don't know if that is actual policy but is often times how i work here when no one responds
[02:58] <etfb> jjesse: I'm already at it - chopping out long-winded woffle and correcting, abuse, of, commas...  The original author seems to think a comma is a special marker that means "Oh no! I'm about to use the word "and"! Look out!"
[03:05] <etfb> What's the usual X text editor that people recommend for newbies to use in Gnome?  I know Kate is the standard in KDE.  Is it Gedit?
[03:06] <Flannel> etfb: gedit in Ubuntu, mousepad in Xubuntu
[03:06] <jjesse> gedit
[03:06]  * jjesse beds
[03:06] <Flannel> etfb: and nano in terminal
[03:06] <etfb> Flannel: Thanks.
[22:16] <mdke> andrew_sayers: hi, thanks for coming in here
[22:16] <andrew_sayers> No problem - I was surprised you weren't here before.
[22:17] <mdke> i haven't got much time this evening I'm afraid, was quite a long day at work
[22:17] <andrew_sayers> Fair enough.
[22:17] <mdke> so, following your last email
[22:17] <mdke> I think that wiki markup is probably important enough to wait until we've ironed it out before we go ahead with the implementation
[22:17] <mdke> i think a lot of editors will expect to use italics and such
[22:18] <andrew_sayers> And links.
[22:18] <mdke> yes, true
[22:18] <mdke> do you have any idea of what might be causing the problem?
[22:18] <mdke> i don't *think* there is anything wrong with my system
[22:19] <andrew_sayers> Not enough of an idea to really ask a good question of a MoinMoin dev, I don't think.
[22:19] <mdke> hmm
[22:20] <andrew_sayers> My preference would be to work out what the difference is between me and you - why it doesn't affect me.
[22:20] <mdke> any difference in system?
[22:20] <andrew_sayers> Yeah.
[22:20] <andrew_sayers> One way to do that would be for you to do a new install, another would be for you to make a tarball of your moinmoin-1.6.4, and send it to me.
[22:20] <andrew_sayers> Although I guess you've got passwords and such buried in there somewhere.
[22:20] <mdke> I mean, different python version?
[22:21] <andrew_sayers> Oh, sorry.
[22:21] <andrew_sayers> I think you're running Intrepid?
[22:21] <mdke> yes
[22:21] <andrew_sayers> I'm still on Hardy, so it could be something like that.
[22:21] <mdke> the macro would have to work on dapper, so it would have to be pretty robust about these sorts of things
[22:22] <mdke> lemme try a new install quickly
[22:22] <andrew_sayers> Hmm, another way into the problem might be - do you know any friendly moinmoin experts?  I can probably work things out with them, it's just going to take more patience than I can expect from someone random.
[22:23] <mdke> the moin guys are seriously helpful
[22:23] <mdke> but I'm not aware of any experts in the Ubuntu community
[22:24] <andrew_sayers> Hmm, I'll try asking them later then.
[22:25] <mdke> seems to work ok on this new install
[22:25] <mdke> I wonder if it's the theme I was using
[22:27] <mdke> oh no, I'm getting it again now
[22:27] <mdke> weird
[22:27] <andrew_sayers> What steps did you take to reproduce it?
[22:28] <mdke> download Moin 1.6.4, untar, run ./moin.py, edit frontpage, type <<Note(test)>>, save page
[22:28] <andrew_sayers> And that caused the bug the second time, but not the first?
[22:28] <mdke> it works ok on the first page save (on the #preview page) but on refresh I get the bug
[22:29] <andrew_sayers> Ah, hmm.  I think maybe I was only previewing, not saving...
[22:30] <mdke> well, it's saved, but it gives you a little message at the top saying "Thank you for your changes"
[22:30] <mdke> when I clear that message, I get the problem
[22:30] <andrew_sayers> Yeah, I get it now.
[22:31] <mdke> ok, well that's good, sort of
[22:31] <mdke> :)
[22:32] <andrew_sayers> Yeah.  Even so, erk :)
[22:32] <andrew_sayers> I think the solution to this may be somewhat ugly :s
[22:33] <andrew_sayers> Anyway, I'll see what I can do and e-mail you during the night?
[22:33] <mdke> I wonder if you could reuse the ReleaseVersion macro that sommer cooked up
[22:33] <mdke> that seems to do something similar, in the sense that it adds a box with formatted text
[22:33] <mdke> but it doesn't have any formatted input
[22:33] <andrew_sayers> I'll have a look.
[22:34] <mdke> thanks a lot dude. This is all much appreciated!
[22:34] <andrew_sayers> As you say, scratching an itch :)
[22:34] <mdke> I wouldn't have a clue how to do this
[22:35] <andrew_sayers> It's just practice, like most things.  Plus it's given me the wiki bug, which I'm now looking for excuses to use everywhere :)
[22:35] <mdke> that's good, I bet there are loads of other things we could improve :p
[22:36] <andrew_sayers> Oh yeah, and we're ditching the old icon set then?
[22:36] <mdke> andrew_sayers: I like the idea of using consistent ones with the system help
[22:36] <andrew_sayers> Yeah, agreed.
[22:36] <andrew_sayers> Do the other two actually ever get used?
[22:36] <andrew_sayers> Caution and important?
[22:38] <mdke> andrew_sayers: well, caution and warning get used for the same purpose, we should pick one (warning is more striking). Important isn't used afaik
[22:38] <mdke> for urls, you can use https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/images/admon/ for now
[22:38] <mdke> maybe we'll stick them in the theme, maybe something else
[22:39] <andrew_sayers> I'd rather not put them in the theme, unless I can dig up some theme-specific variable...
[22:39] <andrew_sayers> So that the next theme writer doesn't get confused when he can't change the icons.
[22:40] <mdke> andrew_sayers: yes, that's a good point. well, whatever works best
[22:41] <andrew_sayers> If I'm asking moin devs anyway, I'll get their opinion.
[22:44] <mdke> good plan
[22:44] <mdke> I think they are mainly european hour-wise, but you may find someone around at this time
[22:45] <andrew_sayers> Fair enough - otherwise I'll check back tomorrow.
[22:49] <andrew_sayers> About ReleaseVersion - does it use an UbuntuVersions page, and if so, could you put one in Bazaar?
[22:51] <andrew_sayers> mdke: ^^
[22:57] <mdke> andrew_sayers: ah, sorry yeah
[22:57] <mdke> andrew_sayers: http://tinyurl.com/4fbug5
[22:58] <andrew_sayers> mdke: Excellent, thanks.


[00:49] <nodoubleg> hey all, I've updated to Xenial beta, and I've got some kdepim problems. Looks like one of akonodi's libraries was updated within the past ~24 hours, and now kmail, korganizer, and kaddressbook all fail to open, all giving the same error.
[00:49] <nodoubleg> symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN7Akonadi8Protocol7CommandE
[00:52] <nodoubleg> I've already tried reinstalling akonadi (and everything that depends on it).
[01:08] <Matrix> JOIN
[01:36] <alibra> tryed to load ati radeon catalyst control to adjust fan speed to high, idles at 75c, lost dual monitor. Any suggestions on how to retrieve original package. tryed xorg reinstall. noob
[01:47] <yofel> nodoubleg: will be fixed once the kdepim update is done
[01:47] <yofel> which is still building
[01:47] <nodoubleg> yofel: excellent! :)
[01:52] <nodoubleg> yofel: ah, I see the builds now. Thanks for the reply.
[03:05] <rhapsody> Hello?
[03:54] <Matrix> HELP
[03:54] <Guest74444> I just install kde and my two samsung monitors stop working
[03:55] <Guest74444> Im using ubuntu 14.04
[03:56] <Guest74444> any ideas how I can fix this problem
[04:09] <DarinMiller> Matrix: Trying unplugging one of the monitor to reduce the number of potential problems.
[05:08] <ponchale> hi
[05:08] <ponchale> people
[05:08] <ponchale> someone connected here I have problem with kitemmodels
[05:09] <ponchale> not find the package ECM
[05:11] <ponchale> http://pastebin.com/UGaEPD5F
[05:11] <ponchale> hi DarinMiller
[05:12] <DarinMiller> Hi ponchale o/
[05:12] <ponchale> how are you men
[05:12] <DarinMiller> Very good, thanks. And you?
[05:13] <ponchale> good with problems
[05:13] <ponchale> but good
[05:13] <ponchale> hehe
[05:15] <DarinMiller> I saw your reference to kitemmodels, but I have no idea what that is.  I see ecm in the 16.04 repositories....  but I am not if that info helps....
[05:17] <ponchale> I not use kubuntu 16.04 now use Kde Neon with kubuntu 15.04
[05:18] <ponchale> do you know which are the repositories of version 16.04?
[05:21] <DarinMiller> I suspect neon will move to 16.04 once 16.04 is released. But I do not have any inside info (I am not on the inside :))
[05:22] <DarinMiller> ecm v 1.03 in 16.04, I know nothing of kitemmodels.
[05:22] <ponchale> do you know the repositories? or do you know where I can download the ECM?
[05:27] <DarinMiller> ecm: Utilities (universe), source: cmdpack
[05:27] <valorie> !info cmdpack
[05:27] <valorie> um
[05:28] <valorie> !info ecm
[05:28] <valorie> so just install ecm from package manager or apt
[05:29] <ponchale> I don't have the package
[05:29] <valorie> right, so install it
[05:29] <valorie> it is in the repos
[05:29] <valorie> sudo apt install ecm
[05:29] <ponchale> yes
[05:29] <ponchale> I already install
[05:30] <ponchale> but still shows the error
[05:30] <valorie> !info ecm-dev
[05:31] <valorie> ok, have you done this? "
[05:31] <valorie> Add the installation prefix of "ECM" to CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH or set "ECM_DIR"
[05:31] <valorie>   to a directory containing one of the above files.
[05:31] <valorie> "
[05:31] <ponchale> yes
[05:31] <ponchale> look
[05:31] <ponchale> http://pastebin.com/UGaEPD5F
[05:32] <ponchale> hi valorie how are you
[05:33] <valorie> this makes no sense though: ECM (required version >= 5.20.0)
[05:33] <valorie> since ours is 1.03-1
[05:33] <valorie> that's ....
[05:35] <valorie> your paste does not indicate that you added "ECM" installation prefix
[05:35] <ponchale> Valorie I not add the installation prefix
[05:36] <valorie> but this question is not for Kubuntu anyway, this is for #kde-devel
[05:36] <ponchale> ok
[05:36] <valorie> if you've got our package installed, that's all we can do for you
[05:37] <valorie> wild how different the versions are, however
[05:37] <valorie> ponchale: in general, your error messages tell you what you need to do
[05:38] <valorie> in your case, adding the ecm installation prefix
[05:38] <ponchale> but I not add the installation prefix
[05:39] <ponchale> not be where do it
[05:39] <valorie> you might find this useful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22215900/add-the-installation-prefix-of-qt5widgets-to-cmake-prefix-path
[05:40] <valorie> but check with kde-devel exactly where you should set it
[05:41] <ponchale> ok valorie thanks always helping
[05:41] <valorie> :-)
[08:14] <estan> anyone have a problem with apt-check processes piling up over night, leading to an OOM kill (in my case, firefox is sacrificed)?
[08:14] <estan> i haven't debugged exactly what is spawning the apt-checks, but maybe /etc/cron.daily/apt?
[08:15] <estan> i found this old note about it: http://askubuntu.com/a/239530 , and i'm pretty sure it's the many apt-checks i see in the process list dumped to dmesg that is the cause for the OOM kill.
[08:17] <estan> hmm. or wait, it's probably the update-notifier doing the spawning (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/746508).
[08:19] <estan> or perhaps https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358359
[08:22] <estan> removing the muon-discover and plasma-discover things for now.
[08:25] <estan> i only ever use aptitude manually anyway.
[09:06] <heeen> I'm on 16.04 and just updated, now the greeter won't come up anymore
[09:07] <heeen> I see a message from a xcb qpa about neither GLX nor EGL being enabled
[09:08] <hateball> heeen: #ubuntu+1 for 16.04
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:32] <Smurphy> Morning :)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Smurphy
[14:50] <crystalraven_> just installed krusader, is there a way to make it the default filemanager in Kubuntu 15.10 x64 instead of dolphin?
[14:53] <crystalraven_> on the krusader page its a link https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/krusader-devel/ggnXhdO6CsY  but it seems to be for Gnome and not KDE? Says something about Ubuntu/Gnome...
[14:53] <BluesKaj> crystalraven_, system settings>applications>default applications
[14:59] <crystalraven_> BluesKaj  worked fine thanks for the help
[15:01] <crystalraven_> by the way, under History tab in start i cant clear Document but Program works to clear?
[16:18] <ghost-456> Hi, can anyone tell me were i can find the log for kwin_x11 crashes
[17:11] <Bean6754> Hi :)
[17:13] <soee> hiho
[17:33] <PasNox> Hi, I would need some help to install kubuntu on a macbook pro
[17:33] <PasNox> I did booted from usb key in uefi mode and did setup the partitions. now i'm not sure on how to setup the bootloader
[17:34] <PasNox> Kubuntu selected by default /dev/sda but i'm not sure it's what to be used. my OSX EFI partition is /dev/sda1
[17:34] <PasNox> the forums  / wiki are quite old and i'm a bit lost on what to do
[17:35] <PasNox> I do have a recent mac (begin 2014)
[17:38] <BluesKaj> PasNox, it really doesn't have much with kubuntu, the #ubuntu chat has some users that know a lot about UEFI boot etc
[17:40] <PasNox> hm ook, will try there.
[18:16] <PasNox> now have it installed and bootable
[18:16] <PasNox> but the screen scaling does not works... i put it to 1.5 and i still getting very small fonts. any idea ? using 15.10
[18:26] <BluesKaj> PasNox,kmenu>compute> system settings>font
[18:27] <BluesKaj> err computer
[18:28] <PasNox> are u telling me i need to grow the font size ?
[18:28] <PasNox> becasue the monitor scaling thing is not working ?
[18:28] <fenris-> quasselclient: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5WidgetsAddons.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZNK19QAbstractProxyModel15canDropMimeDataEPK9QMimeDataN2Qt10DropActionEiiRK11QModelIndex
[18:28] <fenris-> it just happened
[18:28] <fenris-> before this i can run the quasselclient
[18:29] <fenris-> :(
[18:31] <BluesKaj> PasNox, then use the dpi setting if you don't need to increase the fonts
[18:32] <fenris-> BluesKaj: any idea?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> fenris-, not sure, I use konversation , sorry :/
[18:33] <PasNox> beh ok  thank i don't like the idea, i will just downgrade the scree nresolution to something looking correct.
[18:33] <PasNox> thanks anyway
[18:34] <PasNox> now need my wifi driver working, else this will be uselesss :)
[18:34] <fenris-> previously its works
[18:34] <fenris-> using quasselclient on DE unity
[18:36] <BluesKaj> fenris-, ask in #ubuntu , this is kubuntu support
[18:36] <fenris-> :)
[18:36] <PasNox> is this the easy answer all time ? go #ubuntu ?
[18:37] <PasNox> quassel is a Qt app, closed to KDE desktop no ? :)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> PasNox, he's on unity
[18:43] <PasNox> ah :)
[18:46] <BluesKaj> besides unity is Qt based :-)
[18:48] <PasNox> what a strange world !
[18:48] <PasNox> ah get wifi working using the driver told in an old wiki thread )
[18:50] <PasNox> thnaks for your help have to leave now!
[18:53] <bfoote> hello!  I just updated to the backports-ppa for plasma 5.5.3 and frameworks 5.18.0
[18:54] <bfoote> it looks great and performs fairly  well so far
[18:54] <bfoote> unfortunately dolphin will not launch properly.  Hangs with and empty window.
[18:54] <bfoote> there's this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/819720 however it doesn't _ever_ actually launch
[18:55] <bfoote> I tried rm the config in .local/share to no avail
[18:55] <bfoote> there's no error output when launched from the cmd line
[18:56] <bfoote> is there any other rock I should look under?
[19:00] <bfoote> oh crazy, I think I just got it to work by umount a samba share and then restarting docker
[19:00] <bfoote> so maybe it is similar to that bug
[20:00] <Guest15503> Hello, I am experiencing a problem with my Kubuntu install. On boot, when it gets to "Kubuntu" iniejnter tialization screen, it just flickers quickly and does not start.  I must shutdown and restart and then enter the troubleshoot screen, check file system, and then reboot.
[20:01] <Guest15503> "initialization"
[20:03] <Guest15503> I've tried to just re-install but just windup in the same predicament.
[20:07] <BluesKaj> do you mean after login?
[20:08]  * BluesKaj re-enable joins7quits
[20:40] <sick_rimmit> Kubuntu Party
[20:40] <sick_rimmit> Watch live
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-ChyPPcJSMUw2au2UyIKwQ/live
[20:41] <sick_rimmit> Now