[04:15] <claydoh> so is it kde sc 4.4, or Plasma Desktop 4.4?, if I am confused, then I am sure the general populace will be confused
[04:15] <claydoh> http://community.kde.org/Promo/Distribution_Communication
[04:17] <claydoh> tho 'kde plasma desktop' doesn't sound too bad, but it implies something *non* plasma as a product somewhere :)
[04:30] <ScottK> claydoh: KDE SC 4.4 is fine.  Keep in mind we have both plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook for desktop/laptops and netbooks.
[04:31] <claydoh> ScottK: <Riddell> http://community.kde.org/Promo/Distribution_Communication upstream wants us to use "Plasma Desktop" more
 nixternal, claydoh: might be important for docs and wiki pages ^^
[04:32] <ScottK> claydoh: If you apt-get install plasma-desktop it'll get you something ~usable.  I'd call that using it more.
[04:32] <ScottK> Before Lucid, it didn't exist at all.
[04:33] <claydoh> ScottK: it still is a confusing mish-mash, but looking at the link, and going a bit deeper, upstream wants this
[04:34] <claydoh> http://community.kde.org/Promo/Branding
[04:35] <claydoh> and http://www.asinen.org/2009/12/how-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-rebranding/
[04:36] <maco> the buildds are *really* usy, i take it?
[04:36] <maco> *busy
[04:36] <ScottK> KDE Plasma Desktop is OK.
[04:36] <ScottK> maco: Yes.
[04:37] <vorian> i removed all the netbook stuff on my netbook, kde proper runs like a champ
[04:39] <maco> i wonder how long after i upload amarok it'll actually get built
[04:39] <maco> oh wait i cant
[04:39] <maco> hrmph
[04:39] <maco> i wonder how long after one of you sponsors amarok for me itll actually get built :)
[04:39] <vorian> will depend on the arch
[04:39] <maco> amd64 is *really* behind it seems
[04:39] <vorian> odd
[04:40] <maco> i uploaded a package yesterday and its built on i386 and powerpc and armel but says 9 hours til start on amd64
[04:40] <maco> (6 hours ago, it said 2hr til start)
[04:40] <vorian> you could also bribe someone to move its importance up
[04:40] <maco> heh nah
[04:40] <maco> its not an important one
[04:40] <vorian> ah, well
[04:41] <vorian> aren't we in freeze anyway?
[04:41] <maco> im just going "wow, 31 hours is the expected time??"
[04:41] <maco> umm yes maybe
[04:41] <vorian> ha
[04:41] <vorian> i hate it when that happens
[04:42] <maco> did freeze hit today or yesterday?
[04:42] <vorian> today
[04:42] <vorian> er
[04:42] <vorian> yesterday
[04:43] <maco> hmm there wasnt a freeze announcement sent to -announce
[04:43] <ScottK> I didn't see it if there was.
[04:43] <maco> a bug day was the last thing announced
[04:43] <vorian> beta 1 is next thurs
[04:43] <vorian> so it should have been today
[04:43] <maco> !schedule
[04:43] <maco> hrmph that factoid never does what i expect
[04:43] <maco> !lucid
[04:44] <maco> rawr
[04:44] <maco> i was hoping the bot would tell me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[04:45] <maco> yeah beta 1 freeze is supposed to be today...
[04:45] <maco> dear pbuilder: hurry up so i can get this in before someone notices they're supposed to freeze the archive
[04:45] <ScottK> maco: Riddell can give freeze exceptions (so can I for that matter).
[04:46] <maco> and you can both be sponsors
[04:46] <vorian> ubottu: !lucid is Lucid lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[04:47] <vorian> that sould work
[04:47] <vorian> if the powers that be accept it
[04:48] <maco> i always expect !schedule to give me the development schedule
[04:48] <maco> umm hmm
[04:50] <maco> wince when is it .debian.tar.gz not .diff.tar.gz?
[04:50] <maco> *since
[04:51] <ScottK> Since source format v3.
[04:58] <maco> i see
[04:58] <maco> how long does amarok normally take to build?
[04:58] <maco> wait...hardware dependent. silly question
[10:18] <agateau> Riddell: hi, worked around my strigi-nepomuk troubles yesterday so I could reproduce the bug with the indexer KSNI icon under GNOME...
[10:19] <agateau> it's simple yet painful to fix...
[10:19] <agateau> nepomuk icons are installed in /usr/share/icons/oxygen, but GNOME only looks for them in /usr/share/icons/hicolor
[10:19] <agateau> :(
[10:57] <Riddell> agateau: aaah
[10:58] <agateau> Riddell: I am trying to see if I can provide a better solution than "move icons" :/
[10:59] <Riddell> agateau: I'm ok with moving the icons I think, we already have to install application icons in hicolor for the application menu
[10:59] <agateau> Riddell: ok
[11:00] <agateau> Riddell: it's quite the same problem in fact
[11:00] <agateau> Riddell: with KSNI, it's up to the desktop to load the icon
[11:00] <agateau> before that, it was up to the application
[11:00] <agateau> Riddell: what I am afraid of is missing icons
[11:01] <agateau> Riddell: especially in dbusmenu
[11:04] <Riddell> agateau: oh yes, that will add up to quite a lot of icons if there are icons in the menus
[11:04] <agateau> Riddell: yes :/
[11:05] <maco> agateau: bonjour :) i'm packaging amarok and debian/patches/kubuntu/05_kstatusnotifieritem.diff has 2 hunks that dont apply and even after tweaking so they do apply, it then breaks compilation
[11:06] <agateau> maco: oh
[11:06] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/393944/ <- compiler spew
[11:07] <agateau> maco: what version of amarok is this?
[11:07] <maco> 2.3.0
[11:08] <agateau> maco: have you checked support for kstatusnotifieritem has not been merged?
[11:08] <agateau> I submitted the patch upstream
[11:10] <maco> agateau: nothing in the ChangeLog about kstatusnotifieritem
[11:10] <agateau> mmm, not marked as merged on gitorious
[11:10] <agateau> :/
[11:11] <maco> well, i'm disabling the patch for now to get it to build
[11:11] <agateau> maco: I'll look into updating the patch this afternoon
[11:12] <maco> alright
[11:12] <ghostcube> o/
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, the upgrade worked out just fine, albeit package installation was very slow (imho, took 2 hours to install 2gb packages, on very recent hardware)
[11:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the machine asked me to reboot, and nouveau made some fuss so X wouldn't start, but thats a more general ubuntu issue I think. I installed the binary nvidia blob and everything worked
[11:57] <maco> agateau: i dont think its your patch's fault anymore. i think something's wrong with amarok. build still failed
[11:58] <Riddell> uh oh
[11:59] <maco> ../../src/TrayIcon.cpp:64: error: prototype for 'Amarok::TrayIcon::TrayIcon(QWidget*)' does not match any in class 'Amarok::TrayIcon'

[12:00] <Riddell> you sure that patch isn't still applied?  what happens if you patch -p1 -R < <patch> by hand?
[12:00] <Riddell> or are you pbuilding?
[12:00] <maco> pbuilding
[12:00] <maco> i commented the patch out of patches/series
[12:00] <Riddell> so that should be fine
[12:00] <maco> and im looking at the source and seeing line 64
[12:00] <Riddell> let me compile it and see what I can see
[12:01] <maco> pbuilder says that line should either have (QObject*) or (const Amarok::TrayIcon&) for its parameter
[13:01] <shadeslayer> hi,i need to build translations with my packages,how do i do that?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> the package seems to have a custom script to add them... but im not so sure what to do
[13:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the norm in KDE is to have a Messages.sh script to create the .po file
[13:12] <Riddell> .pot file rather
[13:12] <Riddell> does it have that?
[13:17] <NCommander> morning guys
[13:17] <NCommander> If I have a bug with powermanagement under Kubuntu, what do I file the bug against?
[13:17]  * NCommander isn't sure
[13:18] <Riddell> NCommander: ir all depends on what's causing the bug :)
[13:18] <NCommander> Riddell: the problem is that the machine going to sleep at the low power state instead of critical
[13:18] <Riddell> could be linux, hal, solid, powerdevil, battery plasmoid or some combination
[13:20] <shadeslayer> NCommander: i kinda have the same issue with brightness
[13:20] <shadeslayer> it decreases 2 levels on 1 key press
[13:20] <shadeslayer> works fine without powerdevil workiing
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im looking at this commit : http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/commit/f5b1a453f1c75f946c4b2bd14a49fb17d84fbcfc
[13:21] <shadeslayer> can you please advise on how to go about this?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> (there already are .po files in the i18n dir)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> ah i think i understand,this is for future translations and it hasnt been implemented yet
[13:24] <shadeslayer> nope its in the 0.4 release
[13:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: looks like it's for updating the .po files and build system.  if you already have .po files and the CMakelists.txt file you're all good
[13:26] <Riddell> as long as it also has the Messages.sh too
[13:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Messages.sh in scripts/ ?
[13:30] <Riddell> in with the c++ sources usually
[13:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nothing there
[13:32] <Riddell> src/Messages.sh exists in version 0.3.0
[13:33] <Riddell> seems fine http://gitorious.org/rekonq/mainline/blobs/master/src/Messages.sh
[13:34] <shadeslayer> ah ok found it,so im good to go? dont have to do anything right?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and one more thing,the upstream changelog is incomplete,ive sent them a patch but i dont think itll be update for 0.4,so i can add this myself right?
[13:35] <Riddell> translations should be good to go yes
[13:36] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:36] <Riddell> no point patching for the changelog, maybe put it on a web server somewhere with a pointer in debian/changelog
[13:36] <maco> Riddell: want to upload http://people.ubuntu.com/~maco.m/needs_sponsorship/ amarok stuff?
[13:36] <maco> it built and i'm using it now
[13:37] <Riddell> maco: rocking
[13:37] <maco> agateau: yeah it's your patch's problem. i hadnt fully unpatched it when i retried and the build failed
[13:37] <Riddell> maco: however we're in beta freeze so it'll need to go in a PPA for now
[13:37] <maco> Riddell: i thought you had pixie dust?
[13:38] <agateau> maco: did you update the orig.tar.bz2 on your site?
[13:38] <maco> agateau: the orig hasnt changed...
[13:38] <agateau> mmm
[13:38]  * agateau checks something
[13:38] <Riddell> maco: I have pixie dust for feature freeze exceptions but beta freeze we should respect.  it can go in next week but in the mean time it can go in a PPA
[13:39] <agateau> maco: ok, so an updated debian.tar.gz then :)
[13:39] <maco> agateau: the orig is fine. the patch was still applied when i attempted to rebuild without it. i re-untar'd the orig and ti works
[13:39] <maco> agateau: yes :)
[13:39] <maco> Riddell: ok
[13:39] <maco> Riddell: what ppa?
[13:40] <agateau> maco: my guess is part of the patch went in debian.tar.gz
[13:40] <Riddell> maco: still pondering that
[13:40]  * agateau thinks debian source packaging is broken
[13:40] <maco> agateau: it put a piece of the patch into debian/patches/debian-changes-blahblah  Riddell pointed it out to me
[13:41] <agateau> yes, that's what I'm saying
[13:41] <agateau> debian source packaging is broken
[13:41] <agateau> but I am just ranting, ignore me :)
[13:41] <maco> heh
[13:42] <Riddell> agateau: it tries to be clever and take a diff of changes made outside the debian/ directory, unfortunately this is often not what is wanted, but it is consistent with the source 1.0 format
[13:43] <agateau> Riddell: I believe it would be saner if it was just only possible to apply changes via patches
[13:43] <agateau> Riddell: just like rpm does (boo !)
[13:43] <shadeslayer> i guess this version is correct  for lucid : 0.4-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[13:43] <maco> agateau: but without the awfulness of a .spec :P
[13:44] <agateau> maco: sure, I am not saying rpm source packaging is perfect :)
[13:44] <agateau> maco: but this part is better imho
[13:44] <agateau> heck if it were for me, source packaging would be shipping a .bzr or .git folder :)
[13:44] <shadeslayer> agateau: :P
[13:45] <Tonio__> Riddell: just updates plasmoid-networkmanager on kubuntu-experiental, including the latest sebas changes,for test
[13:45] <Tonio__> s/updates/updated/
[13:45] <shadeslayer> Tonio__: experimental :p
[13:45] <Riddell> "Format: 3.0 (git) and 3.0 (bzr) Those formats are experimental. They generate a single tarball containing the corresponding VCS repository.
[13:45] <maco> Riddell: by the way, lp:~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu updated
[13:45] <Riddell> agateau: dpkg-source grants your wish ^^
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: wow! great!
[13:46]  * agateau wants
[13:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you post that to the mailing list?
[13:46] <Tonio_> sebas: I'm pretty happy with the plasmoid right now. Seems to work as well as the knetworkmanager client for me
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[13:48] <sebas> Tonio_: cool :)
[13:48] <shadeslayer> hmm weird that i get the warnings : http://pastebin.ca/1835424
[13:50] <maco> Riddell: experimental?
[13:52] <Riddell> maco: if we do a karmic backport it would go in backports so maybe the lucid version should go in the same place
[13:52] <Riddell> maco: any plans for a karmic backport or do you need to get to uni?
[13:53] <maco> i have an hour til i have to leave for uni
[13:53] <maco> though i should probably pack for my trip...
[13:54] <maco> but now i dont have a karmic system to test a karmic back..oh wait there's a karmic machine under the bed
[13:55] <Riddell> you can also make a chroot
[13:55] <maco> lets not get into the conversation that ensued the *last* time someone said that to me
[13:56] <maco> at least not in-channel
[13:58] <persia> shadeslayer: Could also ask that sort of thing here :p
[14:00] <shadeslayer> persia: what sort?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> persia: btw it was a generic packaging problem
[14:00] <shadeslayer> not related to kde,so i thought motu was better
[14:01] <maco> all development teams are responsible for helping train
[14:01] <maco> not just motu
[14:02] <persia> If it's generic, it belongs in #ubuntu-packaging, but generally asking within the team gets better support in case it's realted to some team thing.
[14:02] <shadeslayer> persia: ok i didnt know about that channel
[14:02] <persia> It's new :)
[14:03] <shadeslayer> nice :)
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ill hang out there :P
[14:07] <agateau> maco: don't know what happened to my ksni patch, it was only half-way applied... anyway, here is an updated one: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/tmp/amarok-2.3.0-ksni.diff
[14:11] <maco> agateau: did ya check it builds?
[14:11] <agateau> I did
[14:12] <maco> great :)
[14:13]  * maco rebuilds
[14:13] <maco> agateau: thank you!
[14:14] <agateau> maco: you're welcome
[14:17] <Riddell> maco: I think experimental would be best actually, let's not abuse backports for something it's not there for.  karmic build can go in backports if we get it done.  so just upload to experimental if you have success with agateau's patch
[14:18] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know if agateau's patch is being handled by anyone now that 2.3 is done?
[14:19] <maco> Riddell: that's lp:kubuntu-ppa/experimental right?
[14:19] <Riddell> maco: dput ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental <.changes file>
[14:19] <Nightrose> Riddell: markey looked at it
[14:19] <Nightrose> not sure what the current status is
[14:20] <maco> Riddell: er yeah, ppa:, thats it ;-)
[14:20] <Riddell> maco: and add ~ppa1 to the version no
[14:20] <agateau> Nightrose: Riddell: discussions have stalled a bit
[14:20] <markey> Riddell: I found it had some issues, I wasn't fully sure what was going on there
[14:21] <maco> Riddell: ok
[14:21] <agateau> markey: what issue did you find?
[14:21] <markey> Riddell: 1) mouse wheel on systray sometimes changed the track, instead of volume 2) the systray dialog cuts off some information, it doesn't really completely fit in
[14:21] <markey> but the mouse wheel thing might have been due to a bad merge conflict resolution, I'm not sure
[14:21] <markey> it was bizarre
[14:22] <markey> half of the time it changed the track, the other half it changed the volume
[14:22] <markey> especially with Last.fm streams
[14:22] <agateau> markey: mmm, I am afraid it's because of the way modifiers are checked
[14:22] <agateau> I ask Qt the status of the modifiers when I receive the signal from dbus,
[14:22] <markey> agateau: hmmm yeah, but that's a rather critical issue
[14:23] <markey> we should try to sort that out somehow
[14:23] <agateau> but this status may be different from the status when the signal is emitted :/
[14:23] <agateau> *was emitted
[14:23] <markey> hm
[14:23] <markey> not sure how to solve this, would have to study the code
[14:23] <agateau> KSNI does not report modifiers info
[14:23] <agateau> I am afraid it needs more work on KSNI itself, so that it reports the modifiers
[14:24] <markey> too bad
[14:24] <markey> do you see any workaround?
[14:24] <markey> we can't really leave it in this state, imho
[14:24] <markey> I found it very irritating to use
[14:24] <agateau> not really
[14:24] <agateau> I can see how it can be painful
[14:24] <markey> it jumped around in the playlist randomly :)
[14:24] <agateau> I am going to ask aaron and marco
[14:24] <markey> ok great
[14:25] <agateau> mmm, they are not online
[14:26] <markey> aaron will probably come later (time zone...)
[14:27] <Tonio_> sebas: tested the vpn stuff, works like a charm
[14:27] <Tonio_> sebas: I can say now the plasmoid probably works better than the standalone knetworkmanager
[14:27] <sebas> Woohoo, that's the kind of testing I like :)
[14:28] <Tonio_> sebas: not sure about openvpn support right now, but that's more a backend issue I suspect
[14:29] <Tonio_> sebas: I also noticed in the connection management, that to create connections, there is no check for network-manager capability
[14:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: better how?
[14:29] <Tonio_> sebas: for example I can create an openvpn connection without network-manager-openvpn installed
[14:29] <sebas> Tonio_: what do you mean by connection capability?
[14:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can connect and disconnect 5 times without a segfault :)
[14:30] <Tonio_> sebas: nm-applet won't let you do this, which I think makes sense
[14:30]  * sebas set the threshold to 6 ;-)
[14:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested 20 times here without an issue on that point
[14:31] <Tonio_> sebas: should I report a bug about that ?
[14:32] <sebas> Tonio_: what do you mean by connection capability?
[14:32] <maco> sebas: what he said about openvpn
[14:33] <maco> sebas: if you dont have the n-m-openvpn, nm-applet wont let you try to setup a vpn connection
[14:33] <maco> sebas: but this plasmoid will
[14:33] <maco> even though it then cant be used due to lack of backend support
[14:33] <Tonio_> sebas: I mean that network-manager won't handle openvpn connections without network-manager-openvpn installed...
[14:33] <Tonio_> maco: thanks for making this clear :)
[14:33] <Tonio_> I have to admit it wasn't...
[14:34] <Tonio_> maco: I also notice that we will have to touch network-manager packages to avoid gconf deps...
[14:35] <Tm_K> hi, is konq-plugins in Lucid installable for you
[14:35] <sebas> Tonio_: ah, yeah, a bugreport would be nice
[14:35] <sebas> I've at least one report that openvpn works with the nm plasmoid, btw
[14:36] <sebas> so unlikely that the backend is lacking
[14:36]  * sebas is afk now
[14:37] <ScottK> Riddell: doko is looking at qt4-x11 ICE on ia64, so maybe we'll get that back ....
[14:38] <Tm_K> ah, got it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libjpeg-progs ... missing dependency in main, interesting
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh btw when is the beta 1 release?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> nvm
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ill be free in a week so i can test it out,yayy!!
[14:43] <Riddell> ScottK: great
[14:43] <Riddell> ScottK: are you able to do release meeting duty today?  I may have to leave before then
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  Is the wiki page up to date and where is it again?
[14:44] <Riddell> ScottK: not yet, I'll do that shortly
[14:44] <ScottK> OK.  Just send me the link and I'll cover it.
[14:44] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[14:44] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:46] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: will we have native support for broadcom 43XX cards in lucid? ( i heard this on some forum )
[14:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I've no idea
[14:47] <shadeslayer_> hmm... probably more concerned with the kernel team :)
[14:48] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: btw you guys will be testing the images this week ( according to the wiki ) how can i help?
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: subscribe to kubuntu images at iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:50] <Riddell> and stay on the channel for announces of images, also #ubuntu-testing
[14:50] <maco> if the battery monitor plasmoid stops monitoring...how do i reset it?
[14:50] <Tonio_> sebas: that's not a bug in fact, as the gui will search for a desktop file
[14:50] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:51] <maco> it has said 64% for 11 or so hours, even when it only had 10% or when it has 100% and it says its unplugged the whole time
[14:51] <Tonio_> sebas: I just don't know yet how to make that dynamic with the network-manager plugin
[14:51]  * Tonio_ investigates
[14:52] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: where is the ML?
[14:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ML?
[14:53] <jjesse> mailing list?
[14:53] <shadeslayer_> yeah :)
[14:53] <maco> lists.ubuntu.com
[14:53] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: i thought there was a ML of kubuntu images at  iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: you subscribe and it'll e-mail you
[14:55] <shadeslayer_> ohhh ok
[14:57] <Tonio_> anyone knows about a "tryexec" equivalent for Service type desktop files ?
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: the way to avoid the issue I'm talking about seems to be splitting the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package to separate vpn plugins
[14:59] <Tonio_> and having a plasma-widget-networkmanagement-openvpn package installing the desktop file and depending network-manager-openvpn
[14:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: would that seem correct to you ?
[15:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: i guess so, equivalent of the network-manager-openvpn-gnome package
[15:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the naming ? make a network-manager-openvpn-kde pakage or plasma-widget-networkmanagement-openvpn ?
[15:01] <Tonio_> first option seems to be better imho
[15:01] <Riddell> I'd go with plasma-widget-networkmanagement-openvpn actually
[15:01] <Tonio_> kk
[15:01] <Tonio_> let's go
[15:05] <jjesse> wow that's a long package name
[15:07] <Tonio_> jjesse: indeed :'(
[15:08] <Tonio_> I'll suggest them so that people know about them when installing or checking for the plasmoid package...
[15:08] <jjesse> is there a length limit for a pcakge name?
[15:09] <persia> In practice, anything over about 40 characters is going to be truncated in a number of common displays.
[15:10] <persia> The place most likely to generate warnings/errors is probably debian/changelog
[15:14] <maco> Riddell: dput'ing to experimental. will let karmic backport testbuild run during class
[15:18] <davmor2> Riddell: just checking that you know that 64bit live didn't build today?
[15:18] <Riddell> davmor2: I did not
[15:18] <Riddell> but I saw there were some issues on lucid_problems
[15:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploaded to experimental with splitted plugins
[15:19] <davmor2> Riddell: it hasn't got the up-to-date ubiquity but 32 bit has so I checked the logs http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[15:19] <Tonio_> sebas: vpn plugins problem fixed
[15:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum concerning the name, those packages might be used along with knetworkmanager too
[15:23] <Tonio_> they are more backend oriented, so maybe "plasma-widget..." name isn't correct... I think I'd go with network-manager-openvpn-kde so that people used to install network-manager-* plugins can figure it out
[15:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: any objection ?
[15:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if I apt-cache search network-manager | grep vpn, I can find it
[15:25] <steveire> Is there another kubuntu lts planned?
[15:26] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:26] <ScottK> The next release in April will be LTS.
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> is universe affected by alpha freezes now?
[15:27] <JontheEchidna> rekonq got stuck in approval queue :(
[15:28] <ScottK> Does it have an approved FFe?
[15:28] <ScottK> I can push Universe stuff through.
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: It's the stable release of the current beta
[15:29] <ScottK> OK.
[15:29] <ScottK> Looking
[15:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: You want ubuntu1 or ubuntu2?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: actually, would it be alright to reject both so I can rectify the change without going to 0ubuntu2?
[15:32] <ScottK> Sure
[15:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Rejected.  Ping me when you've uploaded again.
[15:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: no objection
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: uploaded
[15:42] <ScottK> Looking
[15:43] <ScottK> It usually takes a little while to show up.
[15:43] <ScottK> But there it is
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> yay, bug 493425 is being worked on
[15:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: could you push scidavis and pyqwt3d through approval queue too? They fix NBS's for libqwtplot3d-qt{3,4}
[16:06] <ScottK> Sure.
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus says we're still waiting on a MIR for the FF patches, but the MIR bug is marked fix released.
[16:10] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm still editing
[16:10] <ScottK> Ah, excellent.
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: very nice for firefox integration :)
[16:13] <Tonio_> ScottK: but doesn't this sound a little ironic than just when we start to have a kde web browser that really does the job and get avoids using firefox, we get the firefox kde integration in the meantime ? :)
[16:14] <ScottK> Competition is grand.
[16:14]  * Tonio_ is in love with rekonq... just lacks chrome plugins and a better adblock system
[16:14] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure, and also firefox-kde integration is a must have in my case,to deploy kubuntu in corp environment
[16:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: people won't accept something caleed "rekonq", and expect "firefox"
[16:15] <Tonio_> that's stupid imho, but that's life :)
[16:15] <nixternal> hrmm, I am working on the slides for ubiquity and one thing I am noticiing, is that we don't have anything to edit images with by default...
[16:15] <Tonio_> ScottK: will you go with rekonq for the netbook edition ?
[16:16]  * agateau was in loved with rekonq until it started an infinite loop while posting on launchpad
[16:16] <Tonio_> ScottK: one thing rekonq is very good at is optimising the space usage... I've seen no browser that uses that few space on the top of the screen
[16:16] <Tonio_> agateau: bah not perfect, but 0.4 is really, really nice
[16:16] <ScottK> Tonio_: I didn't change anything yet.  We can discsuss.  That sounds like a good reason to consider it.  We'd need a MIR though.
[16:17] <agateau> Yes, it clearly has a lot of potential
[16:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: yep
[16:17] <Tonio_> ScottK: well atm what is the default browser for the netbook edition ?
[16:17] <agateau> Tonio_: look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/516824
[16:17] <Riddell> ScottK: updated
[16:18] <Tonio_> agateau: especially since I think chrome extensions support is planned for qtwebkit
[16:18] <agateau> Tonio_: and the beautiful result :) https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-application/dbusmenu-signal-change/+merge/18490
[16:18] <ScottK> Thanks.  Looking
[16:18] <Tonio_> agateau: can you reproduce with arora ?
[16:19] <agateau> Tonio_: no
[16:19] <Tonio_> hu ? that's weird :)
[16:19] <Tonio_> agateau: and is that reproductible in rekonq ?
[16:19] <agateau> now you understand why I don't use Rekonq (yet) for work
[16:19] <agateau> Tonio_: yes
[16:19] <Tonio_> very strange... better repport upstream then :)
[16:20] <agateau> yes
[16:20]  * agateau heads for rekonq bug tracker
[16:20] <Tonio_> agateau: or maybe test with 0.4, which should have lots of bugs fixed
[16:20] <Tonio_> agateau: wait a second
[16:21] <agateau> I should have indicated the version in my bugreport
[16:21] <Tonio_> agateau: - multithreaded url resolver (hopefully, no more UI freezes)
[16:21] <Tonio_> agateau: could be your bug
[16:21] <Tonio_> supposed to be fixed in 0.4
[16:21] <agateau> it's not a ui-freeze big, it's a post-in-loop bug
[16:21] <agateau> but it may be fixed indeed
[16:21] <agateau> need to test
[16:22] <Riddell> davmor2: what's pairwise?  sounds like something I should know about
[16:22] <Tonio_> agateau: yup
[16:22] <davmor2> Riddell: http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com/  you should hang out on #ubuntu-testing more ;)
[16:23] <Riddell> nixternal, jjesse: do you know we changed the wallpaper used in ubiquity and kubuntu-firefox-installer to match the default wallpaper?  I realise we should have asked docs before doing that but failed
[16:23] <jjesse> no i ddidn't
[16:23] <Riddell> davmor2: looks like the ISO tester
[16:24] <davmor2> Riddell: kinda but it's just for ubiquity
[16:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'd also switch to konversation for the same space usage reasons
[16:24] <nixternal> Riddell: it is fine to do it...images can be changed even after string freeze
[16:24] <Tonio_> ScottK: but we can discuss this later if you want
[16:24] <nixternal> just let us know when it happens
[16:25] <nixternal> I need to get screenshots of them anyways, and haven't done so yet, so that is good :)
[16:25] <ScottK> Tonio_: Quassel can be very netbook friendly, just not the default config.
[16:25] <nixternal> put chromium on the netbook :)
[16:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure but, from my opinion, less feature complete than konversation, worse kde integration, and slower when it comes to play with history and things like that
[16:27]  * nixternal still thinks we should do digikam by default
[16:27] <Tonio_> ScottK: in fact I see nothing quassel is better at compared to konversation
[16:27] <ScottK> Tonio_: None of those arguments are a reason why netbook should be different than desktop.
[16:27] <ScottK> There's an outstanding action to revisit that.
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure :)
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: and agree to stay sync with the distro
[16:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: in fact kubuntu should switch to konversation imho :)
[16:28] <Riddell> http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/phonon-4.4-for-qt-4.6.2.patch should anyone want it
[16:29] <Riddell> nixternal: we've had both digikam and krita on the CD before but we don't have space now
[16:31] <nixternal> I know, kind of sucks...think I should mention digikam being easy to install in the slideshow?
[16:31] <debfx> nimbus sans with a small font size is practically unreadable on kubuntu and it's used a fallback for helvetica :(
[16:32] <debfx> on ubuntu it looks a bit better: http://debfx.fobos.de/nimbus.htm
[16:33] <nixternal> that's because Ubuntu uses font settings designed to give you a headache :)
[16:33] <Tonio_> nixternal: I've said this a million times, but think about all that we could do if we could release with koffice instead of OOo :)
[16:33] <Tonio_> nixternal: hopefully one day... depends on what nokia really does to improve koffice
[16:34] <debfx> I think that fallback should be removed as nimbus is in a bad shape
[16:34] <nixternal> hopefully the infighting stops too, and koffice can continue progressing...have you followed the ML at all? jeesh
[16:34] <Tonio_> nixternal: hum nope, what are you talking about ?
[16:34] <nixternal> there has been issues with some on the mailing list from what I have read
[16:35] <Tonio_> koffice ML ?
[16:36] <nixternal> devel ml...trying to find the one thread now for you
[16:36] <Tonio_> nixternal: thanks :)
[16:37] <agateau> Riddell: about the nepomuk ksni under gnome issue...
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: I think we should move the icon to hicolor/ for now
[16:38] <agateau> Riddell: do you think this can be done?
[16:39]  * JontheEchidna raises an eyebrow at http://bugs.debian.org/561762
[16:40] <ScottK> IIRC it doesn't say there are issues in kdelibs, just that since webkit derives from it, there may be.
[16:43] <Tonio_> nixternal: I'll search myself if you don't find it... what was the initial topic for the thread ?
[16:46] <nixternal> Tonio_: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=125154159829434&w=2  <- kde-commits...there are a few like this if you look around...mutt search is taking forever there
[16:46] <agateau> Tonio_: where did you find rekonq changelog?
[16:47] <agateau> Tonio_: nm, found it
[16:47] <Tonio_> nixternal: kk ;)
[16:49] <Tonio_> nixternal: ouch... indeed :)
[16:50] <Tonio_> nixternal: sounds like "project management required !!"
[16:52] <Riddell> agateau: sure, especially if you give me a patch :)
[16:52] <agateau> Riddell: mmm... here comes the fun part: this icon is part of kdesupport/oxygen-icons
[16:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: what sounds nice is that the number of messages grown up considerably in the last 4 month
[16:53] <Riddell> agateau: oh so it'll need a packaging fiddle instead of a patch, no problem, I'll do it
[16:53] <agateau> Riddell: cool :)
[16:53] <Tonio_> nixternal: looking at the content, it sounds like there is much more activity
[16:53] <agateau> Riddell: I should "audit" the other applications to check whether they are doing similar things
[16:54] <agateau> Riddell: and come up to you with a list of icons to move
[16:54] <agateau> Riddell: would probably avoid wasting too much of your time on this
[16:56] <Riddell> yeah
[16:59] <Riddell> ScottK: we're up!
[16:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:03] <nixternal> Tonio_: yeah, it looks like they have some project management if you read the latest on koffice-devel, something about a wise-man council or something
[17:18] <shtylman> how do I make a platform independent deb file?
[17:18] <shtylman> every time I run debuild
[17:18] <shtylman> it produces an _amd64.deb file
[17:18] <shtylman> but nothing in my deb is particular to that architecture
[17:18] <shtylman> its all scripts
[17:20] <ScottK> shtylman: Make it arch all instead of arch any in debian/control
[17:22] <shtylman> ScottK: thanks :)
[17:29] <shtylman> is it possible to clean the generated files made by debuild? not the files it cleans with "debuild clean" but the dsc and .deb file it generated in the higher level directory
[17:38] <cloakable> >.>
[17:40] <descendent87> What's better for KDE (and kubuntu) development, ruby or python? Want to start learning one of them (or would it be better to go straight for C++?)
[17:43] <ScottK> descendent87: Python
[17:44] <ScottK> C++ is best for KDE, but between Ruby and Python, Python.
[17:44] <descendent87> thanks thought so, I'll probably learn C++ after but thought python or ruby would be a good first language to learn
[17:46] <ScottK> Python is often used at Universities to teach introductory programming
[17:49] <Sput> we had to use Java :(
[17:49] <Sput> well, "we" as of "the students the years after me"
[17:51] <ScottK> I used Pascal.
[17:53] <Sput> I used Pascal in school
[17:57] <ScottK> I actually knew Pascal when I got to University, I'd needed it the summer before at a job.
[17:57] <ScottK> I'd also done coursed in Fortran and Cobol too.  Fortunately I've forgotten most of that.
[17:59] <maco> Riddell: hrmph. the amarok package says debhelper >= 7.3.16 and karmic has 7.3.15 so backporting is not very happy
[18:00] <maco> my school uses java
[18:01] <maco> i'm just now learning python beyond basic iterative stuff so i can write a kde app
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> is there a summer project,for 6 weeks or so,in kubuntu?
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> some light programing ...
[18:10] <shadeslayer_> and something thats worth the time and effort ;)
[18:11] <shadeslayer_> i know some C++ and am willing to learn
[18:14]  * ScottK bets apachelogger has ideas.
[18:18] <shadeslayer_> im aiming for GSoC next year or next to next year
[18:18] <shadeslayer_> GSoC with kubuntu mixed in that is :)
[18:19] <shadeslayer_> i was looking at the ubuntu gsoc page and found it was quite impressive
[18:22] <ScottK> What the probably most needs is a Kubuntu GSoC mentor.
[18:22] <shadeslayer_> ok im going afk for now,just leave me a message/Memoserv and ill get back :)
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: hmm.. i want to start with something small and then i can move to bigger things :)
[18:23] <maco> i never did gsoc
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> i also know bits of packaging :)
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> thanks to apachelogger  :P
[18:24] <maco> ive applied twice before to various projects but never followed up on questions-asked. always had a summer job so meh
[18:24] <shadeslayer_> maco: hehe :D
[18:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: talking about koffice, this sounds good : http://ingwa2.blogspot.com/2009/12/koffice-we-have-plan.html
[18:28] <Tonio_> nixternal: and the date looks like when the ML started to get more messages...
[18:33] <nixternal> shtylman, Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~nixternal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-desktop  <- updated slides (draft) for kubuntu-desktop
[18:33] <nixternal> need to do one for netbook, which will pretty much be a copy of this, except with some minor changes here or there
[18:40] <shtylman> nixternal: was it just text changes?
[18:41] <shtylman> and some icons movement
[18:41] <shtylman> I see
[18:45] <nixternal> shtylman: and some ...yeah, icons fixes to represent a little better
[18:45] <nixternal> updated the pot file as well while I was at it
[18:47] <shtylman> gotcha
[18:47] <shtylman> alright... did you ask for the merge request?
[18:49] <nixternal> no, wanted you and Riddell to review it first
[18:49] <nixternal> it is the first draft, so changes are welcome
[18:49] <shtylman> nixternal: so far it looks good
[18:50] <shtylman> im watching it now
[18:50] <shtylman> nixternal: I might say something about digikam ?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1102521
[18:50] <shtylman> how you can install it if you want more porfessional tool maybe?
[18:50] <nixternal> go for it...i added it just to have it
[18:50] <nixternal> shtylman: that works
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> ^might help with the huge liek xbox diff.gz in kdebase-workspace, would be nice if somebody re-uuecoded it
[18:54]  * JontheEchidna is the uuecode noob
[19:01] <shtylman> nixternal: I totally missed the digikam text... nvm on my previous comment :)
[19:01] <shtylman> as an asside... it may be worth mentioning krunner
[19:02] <shtylman> like... "just hit alt+f2 and type what you want" ... or something better
[19:12] <maco> Tonio_: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+build/1558596 failed due to buildd wonkyness with ntp. i hit "retry" on it, but you might have to hit it again later
[20:25] <Quintasan> \o
[20:37] <shtylman> ScottK: what should my rules file be for a "meta" package... basically a package that just pulls in other dependencies... much like kubuntu-desktop...
[20:38] <shtylman> I don't use the seeds like kubuntu desktop does tho
[20:38] <shtylman> I just have the dependencies listed in the control file
[20:39] <ScottK> shtylman: I'd just put the standard dh 7 tiny rules.  At that it'd be overkill likely.
[20:40] <shtylman> ScottK: right now I have: include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[20:40] <ScottK> That should work.
[20:40] <shtylman> k
[20:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Bug #531697 looks like it could use some of your knowledge of qmake.
[21:09] <Quintasan> hgnh, the krunner is very laggy
[21:10] <shtylman> ScottK: my initial thoughts are that you can't...
[21:10] <shtylman> but I am looking to see
[21:11] <ScottK> shtylman: Cool.  Thanks.
[21:12] <apachelogger> I did mention that this previews on-all-the-time-and-everywhere is one of the most horrible changes we have currentl?
[21:12] <apachelogger> s/currentl/currently
[21:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: really?
[21:18] <Quintasan> well, give a notebook so I can rant about it too :P
[21:20] <Quintasan> I need a new phone
[21:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is this in Dolphin?
[21:20] <Quintasan> My Nokia 6310 just died T_T
[21:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[21:20] <ScottK> Ah, no wonder I hadn't noticed.
[21:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: using konqueror?
[21:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: Mostly quickaccess.
[21:22] <apachelogger> ah
[21:22] <apachelogger> then indeed you do not see that alot ^^
[21:22] <ScottK> That and konsole.
[21:22] <ScottK> kate [filename]
[21:22] <Quintasan> Konsole++
[21:22]  * Quintasan <3 Yakuake
[21:23]  * apachelogger used yakuake, but stopped by the time he switched to KDE 3.5.6[\\d]
[21:24] <apachelogger> I am hanging out on the terminal way too much anyway, so I need it to be fullscreen ^^
[21:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: “normal” people do it like this -> http://imagebin.ca/view/8-xiqhG.html
[21:26] <Quintasan> :P
[21:27] <apachelogger> that is not fullscreen!
[21:27] <apachelogger> I wonder how one can use that
[21:27] <apachelogger> horrible just horrible
[21:27] <apachelogger> deleted debian/patches/kubuntu_14_dolphin_preview_on.diff
[21:28] <Quintasan> I do not get it how one can use it on fullscreen
[21:28] <apachelogger> there is simply no point in having other things visible :P
[21:28] <Quintasan> lol
[21:28] <apachelogger> they are only distracting you
[21:29] <apachelogger> and suddenly you find yourself emitting sudo rm -rf / foo/bar.txt
[21:29] <apachelogger> we wouldnt want that ^^
[21:29] <Quintasan> Proves your concentration ability is low and strong will is actually weak :P
[21:30] <ScottK> My favorite fear is having the pinentry dialgoue pop up over my IRC client, messing up the focus and accidentally typing mey gpg passphrase into IRC.
[21:30]  * Quintasan gets distracted by that damn KTorrent notifcation saying he has new episodes
[21:30] <ScottK> mey/my
[21:30] <Quintasan> oh, that would be a total disaster
[21:30] <ScottK> I did that with my skype password once.
[21:31] <ScottK> (changed, don't bother looking)
[21:32]  * Quintasan generates permuatations and every other possbile transformation and tests each one
[21:32] <Quintasan> ;)
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: if pinentry does have sensible support for foucs stealing prevention than this shouldnt happen
[21:33]  * apachelogger wouldnt be surprised if skype did not
[21:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: It may.  That may be why I never had it happen.
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it steals focus from every window
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: eitherway you could just bump the focus stealing
[21:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I typed rm -rf .git to passphrase dialog once :P
[21:34] <apachelogger> somewhere in the kwin settings that is
[21:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: if that is changed to extreme no window would get focus unless you activate it
[21:35] <apachelogger> high only gives focus to new windows if no other is activate IIRC
[21:35] <apachelogger> well
[21:35] <apachelogger> I suppose there is a whats this entry for it :)
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> lex79: started on the RC2 for k3b?
[21:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can't upload it until after Beta 1, so no rush.
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> well, there's no rush anyways, since we're in freeze
[21:45] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> hrm, pyqwt3d failed to build...
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> bla, sip issues
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyqwt3d/0.1.7~cvs20090625-3build1/+build/1558763/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.pyqwt3d_0.1.7~cvs20090625-3build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- anybody have any clues?
[21:48] <ScottK> NCommander is the expert.
[21:49] <NCommander> JontheEchidna: no idea on that one, SIP usually gives a more verbose error if it fails
[21:50] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Has it been updated to use dh_sip?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: dunno, it was supposed to just be a rebuild to pick up a new libarary name
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> let me check
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> nope, looks like it's using a custom dh(1) script for its rules file
[21:52] <apachelogger> fix builds
[21:52] <apachelogger> I like that kind of commits ^^
[21:52]  * ScottK bets that's where to head for fixing it.
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> know of any dh_sip examples?
[21:52] <ScottK> python-qt4, IIRC.
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> makes sense
[22:34] <lex79> JontheEchidna: no, if you have spare time go ahead :)


[03:23] <tux414> hey could anyone please help me with my laptop issue
[03:24] <tux414> I have a gateway NV79 with Intel core i3 processor and intel HD Graphics card. I am having trouble viewing the screen when I upgrade to 10.10. (The screen is completely dark until I do the system testing.) I can only view things on the laptop when i complete the system check.
[03:24] <tux414> plus sound only works on 10.10 but not on 10.04


[15:16] <thangam_arun> dfarning, Hii
[15:17] <thangam_arun> dfarning, i would like to discuss with you
[15:17] <thangam_arun> dfarning, When you see this message, kindly ping me back.


[04:09] <hallyn_> stgraber: creating saucy containers fails, becuase "chroot $rootfs /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst configure" fails with "invoke-rc.d: initscript ssh, action "start" failed."  (reproducible by hand)
[15:17] <stgraber> hallyn_: yeah, I saw that here too, something must have changed in the way ssh is restarted from the postinst, I'll try to figure out a patch this weekend
[16:58] <cjwatson> stgraber: I fixed openssh-server's postinst a little while ago to be policy-compliant and use invoke-rc.d
[16:58] <cjwatson> stgraber: So if you were relying on its policy-non-compliance then something might have broken
[17:00] <cjwatson> OMG what on earth is lxc-ubuntu doing with ssh.conf - couldn't you folks at least sed the existing one or something? :)
[17:04] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, yeah, ignore the changes we do in trim(), nobody uses that anymore and I'm hoping to kill it for good by 14.04.
[17:04] <stgraber> cjwatson: in the standard code path, what we do is move ssh.conf to ssh.conf.disabled, call the postinst then move it back
[17:05] <stgraber> cjwatson: as it was the only easy way to deal with that back in 13.04, now that openssh respects invoke-rc.d, I'll just add a policy-rc.d (exit 101) and that should fix the issue (we still need the .disabled stuff until 12.04 EOL though...)
[17:54] <cjwatson> stgraber: Yeah, policy-rc.d should do it.  In <13.10, though, you could have handled it by diverting initctl
[17:55] <cjwatson> And maybe start-stop-daemon too
[17:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Does remove-package commit in a single transaction, or is it doing a round-trip removal for each binary I list on the command-line?
[17:58] <infinity> (Wondering if removing, say, kernel NBS, is being split across multiple publisher runs)
[17:59] <infinity> Not that it matters, in practice, since NBS stuff shouldn't be needed anymore, but it feels a bit weirdly wrong if it ends up spanning runs.
[17:59] <cjwatson> infinity: If you remove an entire source that's in one go, but if you're removing lots of binaries without removing their corresponding source (as in NBS) that's multiple API calls
[17:59] <cjwatson> Since it's BPPH.requestDeletion
[17:59] <infinity> Kay.
[18:00] <infinity> I wonder if that could do with a batch mode API call.  Would also speed it up tremendously.
[18:00] <infinity> (Today's multiple-kernels-plus-a-couple-libraries NBS run takes 10-15m with a high latency connection to LP)
[18:00] <cjwatson> I wouldn't object, although I don't think it's the most important thing on the list or anything
[18:01] <infinity> Nah, not dreadfully important.  I'm used to just watching it scroll slowly in the background, as it's doing right now. :P
[18:02] <cjwatson> There's already PublishingSet.requestDeletion, which would be the right thing to export, but I'm not sure how to export *Set things
[18:02] <infinity> I've just been doing some NBS-clearing uploads in my wind-down-to-travel lull overnight, so it was on my mind.
[18:03] <cjwatson> At least in cases where there isn't an obvious collection
[18:03] <cjwatson> Maybe it would have to be something artificial like a method on Archive; don't know
[18:04] <infinity> I wonder if people naming their projects ever read them out loud.
[18:04] <infinity> "kraptor" sounds like an 80s cartoon villian who lives in the sewers.
[18:13] <infinity> Laney / xnox: You guys are TIL on vtk, do you happen to know what's gone wrong with that's making yade FTBFS now? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yade/0.97.0-4
[18:17] <infinity> Hrm, maybe that's a missing build-dep (or a missing dep)...
[18:43] <infinity> Laney / xnox: Ahh, that's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=714935 ... I wonder why it didn't seem to pop up until now.
[23:03] <Noskcaj> roaksoax, It seems testdrive-gtk is broken in version 3.20


[05:01] <Guest93466> Zequence: Hey man, you helped me the other day figure out a way to get the features of UbuntuStudio for Ubuntu - one of the things you told me was I needed to be a member of audio group and gave me this type put in terminal: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER - when I did, it spat this back at me:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5769898/  .... now, my question is - what do I do here... I was uncertain if the Username/account was
[05:01] <Guest93466> automatically created or if I needed to choose something from the options listed.
[05:01] <Guest93466> Anyone who might know something about that, I'd really appreciate it!  :)
[05:07] <Guest93466> I'm stuck sitting in terminal waiting to make my move
[05:20] <OvenWerks> Try replacing the $user with your user
[05:21] <OvenWerks> Guest93466: Say if your user id was joe then:
[05:21] <Guest93466> i did that
[05:21] <Guest93466> my name on my computer i used
[05:21] <OvenWerks> sudo usermod -a -G audio joe
[05:21] <OvenWerks> Ok
[05:22] <Guest93466> yeah, yeah, thats how i did it
[05:22] <Guest93466> got those options from the paste. link
[05:22] <OvenWerks> You were answering faster than I typed sorry
[05:22] <Guest93466> just was not sure if that completed the process
[05:22] <Guest93466> if i was good to go w/ that step.
[05:22] <Guest93466> no worries i appreciate the help
[05:22] <OvenWerks> type groups
[05:23] <Guest93466> ok
[05:23] <Unit193> No, it didn't.  It didn't exist.
[05:23] <OvenWerks> that should give you a list of groups you are in
[05:23] <Guest93466> then?
[05:23] <Guest93466> gave me this:  marco adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[05:23] <OvenWerks> you are not in audio then
[05:23] <Guest93466> not audio
[05:24] <Guest93466> yeah
[05:24] <Guest93466> crapppola
[05:24] <Guest93466> any thoughts?
[05:24] <OvenWerks> you can also sudo nano /etc/group
[05:24] <OvenWerks> and edit by hand...
[05:25] <OvenWerks> audio should have pulse in it. add ,user
[05:25] <Guest93466> i am not well versed here, is it easy enough?
[05:25] <OvenWerks> user mod shoiuld have worked. did you try it more than once?
[05:26] <OvenWerks> You should not get the usage message
[05:26] <Guest93466> just once
[05:27] <OvenWerks> should not hurt to try again.
[05:27] <Guest93466> U - unlock user account?
[05:27] <Unit193> Not sure about with audio, but you can use addgroup... Anywho, I have to leave again.
[05:28] <Guest93466> add group, that gave me some crazy options
[05:28] <Guest93466>  sudo nano /etc/group
[05:28] <Guest93466> that gave me the crazy ops
[05:29] <OvenWerks> something else is going on then.
[05:30] <OvenWerks> Did you have to type in your password at least once?
[05:30] <OvenWerks> Which command line are you using?
[05:31] <Guest93466> yes
[05:31] <Guest93466> my computer pw
[05:31] <Guest93466> terminal
[05:31] <Guest93466> c+alt+t
[05:31] <Guest93466> *ctrl
[05:31] <OvenWerks> ya
[05:39] <Guest98535> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5769955/
[05:40] <Guest98535> that is what i get from using: sudo nano /etc/group
[05:40] <Guest98535> i am not sure why i cant figure out how to join audio group
[05:44] <Guest98535> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5769960/
[05:44] <Guest98535> that is what i get from: fgrep -ie 'audio' /etc/group
[05:44] <Guest98535> ...still lost
[05:49] <Guest98535> anyone around?
[05:56] <Guest98535> Can anyone help me figure out how to add a user to the Audio Group?
[05:56] <Guest98535> \
[06:14] <zequence> Guest98535: $USER is a variable
[06:14] <zequence> Guest98535: try doing this: echo $USER
[06:15] <zequence> if you want to replace it with your username, drop the "$"
[06:15] <zequence> anything starting with "$" is considered to be a variable by bash
[06:16] <zequence> For the change to be in effect, you need to logout and login again
[06:20] <zequence> if you don't misspell, this will work, if you type it exactly so: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[15:43] <raven_> hi
[15:43] <raven_> is there any tool like projectx for h264/hd? i need to cut hd tv files with 5.1 ac3 sound - without reencoding would be nice
[17:05] <holstein> raven_: i would just try some..AFAIK h264 support is available to be added to any of them
[17:06] <jeevanus> is there a way to change the image behind the login screen?
[17:08] <holstein> jeevanus: its all open, so the answer is almost always yes.. are you talking about the greeter?
[17:08] <jeevanus> greeter? i think yes
[17:09] <holstein> i would just search that.. "xubuntu greeter change backgroung"
[17:09] <jeevanus> hmm
[17:09] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2045578 for example
[17:10] <raven_> is there any tool like projectx for h264/hd? i need to cut hd tv files with 5.1 ac3 sound - without reencoding would be nice
[17:10] <jeevanus> the interface is same for xubuntu and ubuntu studio? both has Xfce?
[17:10] <raven_> keeping the 5.1 sound is the main problem
[17:10] <jeevanus> ok thanks
[17:10] <holstein> raven_: did you see my post?
[17:11] <holstein> raven_: i have *no* idea what "projectx" is, so, you can elaborate, or share screenshots... *or*, just start trying editors.. since they should all be able to support h.264
[17:11] <holstein> !h264
[17:11] <holstein> !codecs
[17:12] <raven_> do you read my comment? KEEPING AC3 5.1 SOUND IS THE PROBLEM
[17:13] <holstein> raven_: cool.. feel free and wait for another volunteer
[17:13] <raven_> i do
[17:13] <holstein> raven_: you can try #opensourcemusicians ..or the main #ubuntu channel
[17:13] <raven_> tnx
[17:13] <holstein> raven_: keeping AC3 should not be a problem either
[17:14] <holstein> should be less of a problem.. what have you tried? openshot? kdenlive?
[17:14] <raven_> would be nice if it was
[17:14] <holstein> how do they fail for you?
[17:15] <raven_> for example kdenlive i cannot move to export more than 2 channels
[17:16] <holstein> AFAIK, 5.1 is going ot be an issue
[17:16] <holstein> to
[17:16] <holstein> should be able to do the audio and video seperate and forc it somehow
[17:16] <holstein> force*
[17:17] <holstein> las i heard from las (ffrom #ardour), we have no 5.1 audio options
[17:25] <holstein> raven_: http://openshotusers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=174 seems relevant
[17:26] <holstein> openshot is the most recent, and arguably the most supported platfrom
[17:31] <Guest4509> Zequence:  Are you available for a moment?  I had a question about the commands to download the studio packages on Ubuntu.  I tried the command 'sudo apt-get ubuntustudio-audio' and it gave me 'invalid operation'.
[17:32] <zequence> Guest4509: sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio
[17:32] <zequence> Guest4509: did you figure out the audio group problem?
[17:32] <Guest4509> ahhh, lets see here
[17:32] <Guest4509> yes!  thankfullly!
[17:32] <Guest4509> thanks for asking.
[17:33] <zequence> takes a bit of time getting used to the command line, but the more you use it, the less you want to spend time with slow gui tools that don't even let you do everything you would like
[17:34] <Guest4509> Zequence: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5771553/
[17:34] <zequence> you can see all the command for apt-get doing: apt-get --help
[17:34] <Guest4509> ah, nice, good to know.
[17:34] <zequence> seems like you already installed it then
[17:34] <Guest4509> Yeah, I prefer using command line for anything I can
[17:34] <Guest4509> i didnt....
[17:34] <Guest4509> which is weird
[17:35] <Guest4509> well
[17:35] <zequence> someone did :)
[17:35] <Guest4509> i did the low-latency
[17:35] <Guest4509> maybe that did it?
[17:35] <zequence> nope
[17:35] <Guest4509> strange, lets try the next one....
[17:35] <zequence> I don't think anything depends on ubuntustudio-audio
[17:36] <Guest4509> Hmm, same thing....
[17:36] <Guest4509> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5771561/
[17:36] <Guest4509> for audio-plugins
[17:37] <zequence> if you install -audio, audio-plugins will be installed too
[17:37] <zequence> you can see what will be installed by doing: apt-get depends ubuntustudio-audio
[17:37] <zequence> sorry
[17:37] <zequence> apt-cache depends ubuntustudio-audio
[17:38] <zequence> and to see what depends on it: apt-cache rdepends ubuntustudio-audio
[17:38] <zequence> or: apt-cache rdepends ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[17:38] <zequence> gotta go for a while. I'll be back later
[17:38] <Guest4509> ok, looking into this now, looks like ubuntustudio-controls is installing, first of 3.
[17:39] <zequence> you don't need that
[17:39] <zequence> no need to install it
[17:39] <zequence> don't use it :)
[17:39] <zequence> it's out of date
[17:39] <Guest4509> shit, just installed
[17:40] <zequence> doesn't matter. just don't use it for anything
[17:40] <zequence> ok, gotta go now
[17:40] <Guest4509> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5771570/
[17:40] <Guest4509> ok
[17:41] <Guest4509> take care man, thanks as always
[18:16] <Guest4509> Hey guys, if anyone is available.....My issue is fairly simple.  After installing the UbuntuStudio apps in full on Ubuntu, I find myself in need of a way to organize them.  Audio is my concern.  On Studio they were arranged by  Sound Generators, Mixers Effects and than the recording wares... I'd be fine making a list and organizing  them this way but I do not know how to figure out the commands to open each of these apps to
[18:16] <Guest4509> do so.... or, a folder with shortcut icons would work - no concern either way, just that I am unsure of how to accomplish either.
[18:24] <zequence> Guest4509: how much RAM do you have? I know you have problems with the XFCE session, so perhaps you could install a virtual Ubuntu Studio using virtualbox, and that way be able to use the menu to find stuff
[18:24] <zequence> once you know what you want to use, you should have no problems with the Unity Dash as it is
[18:24] <Guest4509> Hmm
[18:24] <Guest4509> I have.....8, ubuntu lists 7.7
[18:25] <zequence> OvenWerks is working on a DE agnostic menu that should work on most Desktop Environments. Not Unity though (I don't think anyway)
[18:25] <Guest4509> i'm curious about that option but not sure if it seems like something i should/want to do, but, i dont know much about it yet.  how would that work.
[18:25] <Guest4509> okay.
[18:25] <zequence> the menu might work nicely with LXDE
[18:26] <zequence> you could try installing the Lubuntu desktop to get a feel for it
[18:26] <zequence> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-minimal
[18:26] <zequence> you choose Desktop Environment sessions from the login greeter
[18:26] <zequence> not the current menu though
[18:26] <zequence> you'd need to install the development version
[18:27] <zequence> if Lubuntu works for you, just let me know, and I'll point you out to the menu package
[18:28] <Guest4509> Well, before going that route, considering I've been just wanting to sit down and do some recording - I'd like to try the simpler option of making a list of the commands to open the files and organizing them in a file - spreadsheet or something, i've done that before.  DO you know how I'd find out the command to open each of the audio apps ive installed?  Otherwise, I'll look into what you are talking about online real quick
[18:28] <Guest4509> first... I'm just not sure I want to install more than I need, and, than again, your idea may really appeal to me.  Guess I'll take a sec and research
[18:28] <Guest4509> lubuntu is just an addon to ubuntu?
[18:28] <zequence> lubuntu is another flavor of Ubuntu
[18:28] <zequence> just like Ubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc
[18:29] <zequence> Lubuntu uses the light weight LXDE desktop environment
[18:29] <Guest4509> Ah, yeah, I def. don't wanna do that then.  It has taken me weeks to get ubuntu to just install right, I've finally got things in fair working order.
[18:30] <zequence> not sure what it is that you are trying to do. It seems to me, you just want to open applications and use them
[18:30] <Guest4509> ok, basically it is like this.
[18:30] <zequence> start with qjackctl
[18:30] <zequence> make settings for jack, and then start it
[18:30] <zequence> then start whatever apps you want to use
[18:30] <zequence> ardour, qtractor, hydrogen, etc
[18:31] <Guest4509> All these sound generators, mixers and effects and other audio apps.  I do not know which is for which - or how to open any of them up - well, some, sure, not most.  So, I wanted to find out the command to open each app up in terminal.  THat's all.  I will be making myself a list in a way that I can understand and organize.
[18:31] <zequence> you could list the names to a file if you want
[18:31] <Guest4509> ok, I'm going to open qjackctl, see if I can figure out the JACK settings.
[18:32] <zequence> apt-cache depends ubuntustudio-audio | grep Depends | sed s/Depends:// | sed s/\|// > ubuntustudio-audio-deps
[18:32] <zequence> apt-cache depends ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | grep Depends | sed s/Depends:// | sed s/\|// > ubuntustudio-audio-deps
[18:32] <zequence> sorry
[18:32] <Guest4509> gotcha
[18:32] <zequence> let me make a paste
[18:33] <Guest4509> Ive opened qjackctl
[18:33] <Guest4509> what is it i need to do here?
[18:33] <Guest4509> connect, start, setup
[18:33] <Guest4509> setup i assume
[18:33] <zequence> !proaudio
[18:34] <zequence> Guest4509: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro#UbuntuStudio.2BAC8-ProAudioIntro.2BAC8-1204.Starting_Jack
[18:34] <Guest4509> talk about reading mind, I was about to ask if there was documentation on how to use all of these tools in conjunction with e/o
[18:34] <zequence> all you need to do is select the device you want to use, and start jack
[18:35] <Guest4509> apt-cache depends ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | grep Depends | sed s/Depends:// | sed s/\|// > ubuntustudio-audio-deps didn't give me any results in terminal
[18:35] <zequence> if you need low latency, you decrease Frames/Period
[18:35] <zequence> Guest4509: The output went into a file "ubuntustudio-audio-deps"
[18:35] <zequence> probably in your home folder
[18:35] <Guest4509> got it
[18:35] <zequence> if you didn't change directory while in the terminal
[18:36] <Guest4509> so those are the commands to open the apps... nice, i can search them in software center for descriptions and make my list
[18:36] <Guest4509> THANK YOU!
[18:36] <zequence> Guest4509: Should cover all of them http://paste.ubuntu.com/5771729/
[18:37] <zequence> those are the names of the packages
[18:37] <zequence> not the same as the commands for starting the apps, even if they often are the same
[18:37] <Guest4509> when you say select my device and start jack, what do you mean?  For the moment I am working with my laptop mic only, soon to be an external mic and direct line fo guitar - but for now, is that what I am to select as my device?  Internal mic?  How-so?
[18:38] <Guest4509> Man, my internet has not been working from my browsers, on and off since last night.
[18:38] <zequence> When I say device, I really mean audio card
[18:38] <Guest4509> Qbit and Quassel work without strain.
[18:38] <zequence> you can only use one at the time with qjackctl
[18:38] <Guest4509> okay
[18:38] <Guest4509> not a big deal, itd be nice to have both - even 3, mic for guitar too, but, not that big of a deal at this stage in the game.
[18:39] <zequence> it is possible to use multiple cards, just not directly with qjackctl
[18:39] <Guest4509> okay, what with?
[18:40] <Guest4509> would you recomend, that is.
[18:40] <zequence> I'd ask about that on #jack once you feel you know how to use jack
[18:41] <zequence> there are a couple of wasy
[18:41] <zequence> ways*
[18:42] <Guest4509> Hm, I see input/output devices.... but i am unsure what to select, they each list: 'hw:0', 'plughw:0', '/dev/audio', '/dev/dsp'.
[18:42] <Guest4509> okay, sounds good, yeah, i am not in need yet anyway.
[18:42] <zequence> don't set input and output separately
[18:42] <Guest4509> so use the same selection?  OK - would it be the /dev/audio then?
[18:43] <Guest4509> its the only one ive ever heard of.
[18:43] <zequence> that's the wrong menu
[18:43] <Guest4509> ooo
[18:43] <zequence> I think the page is perhaps a little misleading
[18:43] <Guest4509> which tab, do you recall?
[18:44] <zequence> the tab is right
[18:44] <zequence> "Settings"
[18:44] <zequence> then, "Interface"
[18:44] <Guest4509> yep yep
[18:44] <Guest4509> ummm
[18:44] <Guest4509> ok
[18:44] <zequence> Select the ">" arrow
[18:44] <zequence> not the dropdown menu
[18:44] <Guest4509> gotcha
[18:45] <Guest4509> hw:0 or hw:0,0
[18:45] <zequence> We're planning to do some tutorials for this this summer
[18:45] <Guest4509> That'd be fantastic.
[18:45] <Guest4509> Likely they'd be widely used.
[18:45] <zequence> post them on our youtube channel
[18:45] <Guest4509> Man, youtubes got it all these days.
[18:47] <Guest4509> the hw:0 is HDA Intel PCH while the hw:0,0 is ALC269VC Analog
[18:47] <zequence> just select hw:0
[18:47] <Guest4509> alrighty.
[18:47] <zequence> if you have several cards, they will show up as hw:1, hw:2, etc
[18:47] <Guest4509> so i have 2, I assume.
[18:47] <Guest4509> or no, i dont.
[18:48] <zequence> often people do these days, as hdmi is it's own audio device
[18:48] <Guest4509> SO, now I just start jack and use arudor or audacity and i'm good to go?
[18:48] <zequence> Yep
[18:48] <zequence> All though, I'd not use Audacity with jack
[18:48] <Guest4509> no?
[18:48] <zequence> And I wouldn't use Audacity for recording
[18:48] <Guest4509> why is that?
[18:48] <Guest4509> what do you use audacity FOR?
[18:48] <zequence> It doesn't have very good jack support
[18:49] <zequence> audacity is a audio editor
[18:49] <Guest4509> ooooo
[18:49] <Guest4509> no shit.
[18:49] <zequence> if you want to do multi track recording, either use ardour or qtractor
[18:49] <Guest4509> thats pretty rad, i was unaware of that
[18:49] <zequence> audacity works great without jack
[18:50] <zequence> many jack apps won't even start if jack is not running first
[18:51] <Guest4509> Ardour is the way to go then, eh?
[18:51] <zequence> it's definitely the best free multi track recording/mixing/mastering DAW for Linux
[18:51] <zequence> doesn't have a lot of midi support
[18:52] <zequence> ..though
[18:52] <zequence> ardour3 has, but is not released yet on Ubuntu
[18:52] <zequence> if you want ardour3, you could get it from my ppa
[18:52] <Guest4509> I'm pretty excited to learn this man, I've been playing music for about 13 or so years and the only recording ive ever been able to do is through paid studio time or because of a friend, to be able to sit here in my zone alone and do my thing - well, all I can say is I'm a happy camper.  And, I'm good with the PROCESS... it takes time and thats fine.  Would you like a link to a few of my recording attempts?  I used audacity -
[18:52] <Guest4509>  no JACK.
[18:53] <zequence> sure :)
[18:53] <Guest4509> that'd be rad, explain to me though, its not released on Ubuntu but I can get it from your ppa?
[18:53] <zequence> ppa == personal package archive
[18:54] <zequence> most of these multimedia applications are packaged in Debian
[18:54] <zequence> the ardour3 package is not yet released for Debian, and thus not for Ubuntu either
[18:54] <zequence> but, the source has been prepared
[18:54] <zequence> I got the source, packaged it, and put it up on my PPA
[18:54] <Guest4509> man, yeah, that;d be rad... it will work right and all?  I'd be rather grateful!
[18:54] <zequence> or, rather, built the package on my PPA (the package already exists, but is not released)
[18:55] <zequence> well, this is what you do:
[18:55] <Guest4509> OK
[18:55] <zequence> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:zequence/testing
[18:55] <Guest4509> no need to uninstall what i have first of ardour?
[18:56] <zequence> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install ardour3
[18:56] <zequence> no need to uninstall anything
[18:56] <zequence> both ardour2 and ardour3 will be available
[18:56] <Guest4509> ha, my damn internet connection
[18:56] <Guest4509> cant access cause of it
[18:56] <zequence> after installing it, I'd suggest to remove my PPA, since you never know what I will put in it
[18:56] <Guest4509> give me a sec, unplug and replug.  i dont understand why ive had issues the last 24 hours
[18:57] <Guest4509> ok, and how do i remove it?
[18:57] <Guest4509> brb in one sec here, unplugging
[18:57] <zequence> there will be a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:58] <zequence> this command will remove any file there (only mine will be there, so no worries)
[18:58] <zequence> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[18:58] <zequence> then, re-read the package list again: sudo apt-get update
[19:00] <zequence> when you're writing commands and paths, always use the TAB key a lot
[19:00] <zequence> it does auto-completion for you
[19:07] <Guest18490> Zequence: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1hXssnYdm3UqPhV9-_ejrtQ6eeoaS4oH - that is my music - everything from "I wish It Were Raining" down is what I've recorded  myself - further down the list the newer.  Not much, but, I'm learning.
[19:07] <Guest18490> Now... lets see if I can get this ppa
[19:09] <Guest18490> Zequence: can I do this - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install ardour3  - on one line? or the && means seperate, my inital thought.
[19:09] <zequence> && is logic for AND
[19:09] <zequence> it is meant to be one line
[19:09] <Guest18490> gotcha
[19:10] <Guest18490> ok, now, its about done, how to remove your ppa?
[19:11] <zequence> when you add a ppa, you really just add a file with the repository information in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[19:11] <zequence> when you do commands, and write paths, use the TAB key a lot
[19:11] <zequence> it auto completes
[19:11] <zequence> do this
[19:12] <zequence> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[19:12] <zequence> then use the TAB key
[19:12] <zequence> should autocomplete the rest
[19:12] <zequence> then just hit enter
[19:12] <Guest18490> ok, before i go ahead with that, on a check I only see ardour 2
[19:12] <Guest18490> or it just says ardour
[19:12] <zequence> ah, right
[19:12] <Guest18490> red triangle
[19:12] <zequence> there's no desktop file for it
[19:12] <zequence> you need to start it from the terminal
[19:12] <Guest18490> ooo
[19:12] <zequence> ardour3
[19:13] <Guest18490> in terminal?  thats all?
[19:13] <Guest18490> any simple way to have an icon arise when I search?
[19:13] <Guest18490> And I get cannot remove, is a directory
[19:14] <zequence> you shouldn't remove the dir
[19:14] <zequence> did you use the TAB key?
[19:14] <Guest18490> frack
[19:14] <Guest18490> no
[19:14] <zequence> use the up arrow to show the latest command
[19:15] <zequence> you can cycle through your command history with up and down arrows
[19:15] <zequence> bring it up, use TAB to autocomplete the path to the file
[19:15] <Guest18490> sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zequence-testing-raring.list
[19:15] <zequence> yeah, that's it
[19:15] <Guest18490> enter and done, no results in terminal?
[19:15] <zequence> yep
[19:16] <zequence> it doesn't say anything, unless it didn't work
[19:16] <Guest18490> right on Zequence, all this assistence has been such a great hel
[19:16] <zequence> nice music
[19:16] <zequence> really bad recording though :)
[19:16] <Guest18490> thank you, I'm glad you think so!
[19:16] <Guest18490> i know!
[19:16] <zequence> it's kind of charming, having the poor recording quality
[19:16] <Guest18490> gah!  You have no idea, I know this, yet, as its SO new to me, its like heaven. haha.
[19:17] <zequence> it would be good to master it a bit, to remove the noise
[19:17] <Guest18490> 1st time I can play instruments over myself, leads, harmonies, etc.
[19:17] <Guest18490> well, one of my biggest issues is my laptop mic
[19:17] <Guest18490> you shoudl see the waveform when silent
[19:17] <Guest18490> not silenced, but, you know, the moments between notrs
[19:17] <Guest18490> *notes
[19:18] <Guest18490> I need to get myself an external mic.  Also, further understanding of the softwares.  I'm getting excited thought as I'm finally at least moving forward again.
[19:26] <zequence> wouldn't require too much work getting those recordings to sound a lot better
[19:26] <zequence> just needs some EQ, and depending on who you ask, a little bit of compression
[19:27] <zequence> cut the top as much as you dare to (at some point you start loosing too much of the sound)
[19:28] <zequence> compress it to make it a little more in your face. the vocals would benfit from that
[19:29] <zequence> one might also want to cut a bit from around 300-400hz, but that might not be nessecary in this case
[19:58] <Guest18490> Zequence:  I will def. take that all into account.  Starting this little list now and - then, gonna give it a shot!  THanks.
[23:51] <BobbySteed> Window controls have disappeared on Ubuntu Studio. Why? And how to fix it?
[23:51] <BobbySteed> ...and title bars
[23:51] <OvenWerks> Why? I don't know...
[23:52] <OvenWerks> I would assume though that rm -r .cache/*
[23:52] <Unit193> Alt+F2 xfwm --replace
[23:52] <OvenWerks> Thanks that looks faster
[23:54] <BobbySteed> xfwm isn't installed, what would the current window manager be?
[23:56] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio uses xfce
[23:56] <BobbySteed> 'compiz --replace' runs but doesn't replace the window controls
[23:56] <OvenWerks> if xfwm isn't installed it should be
[23:57] <BobbySteed> so i should install it?
[23:58] <BobbySteed> exitexitexit
[23:59] <BobbySteed> oops
[23:59] <OvenWerks> I am wondering how it would be not installed
[23:59] <BobbySteed> Me too


[00:30] <maco> WAH!
[00:30] <maco> why did floodbots all just go nuts in #ubuntu?
[00:32] <Seeker`> whim
[00:46] <tonyyarusso> went off their meds
[00:57] <Pici> Interesting that none of the people making comments are in the -ops-monitor channel.
[01:08] <bazhang> niamor had that script on a few days ago as well
[01:09] <Seeker`> yeah
[01:09] <Seeker`> will do sometime about it next time
[01:16] <Seeker`> why do I remember bastid_razor
[01:17] <bazhang> posting nsfw links in -ot
[01:18] <Pici> hes pretty helpful in #u though, isn't he?
[01:18] <IdleOne> yes he is
[01:18] <Seeker`> name just rang a dusty old bell somewhere int he back of my head
[01:18] <Seeker`> may be nothing
[01:18] <IdleOne> he may not be aware of the rules there, or that the same rules apply
[01:18] <Seeker`> probably me just being senile
[02:02] <IdleOne> just this morning I unbanned Niglop
[02:03] <IdleOne> he was banned because of language
[02:03] <Seeker`> well, he had just typed his password in the channel, so I wouldn't instaban
[02:03] <Seeker`> but it may be worth you talking to him?
[02:04] <IdleOne> he got !language tossed at him.
[02:04] <IdleOne> will let this one slide
[02:04] <bazhang> programble is pushing it
[02:04] <IdleOne> probably* ?
[02:05] <bazhang> no that's his nick
[02:05] <IdleOne> oh
[02:05] <Seeker`> bazhang: where?
[02:05] <bazhang> #u
[02:09] <bazhang> he has been offered multiple suggestions, and just responds with 'already said/done/it's broken'
[02:10] <IdleOne> he said he is using arch
[02:11] <IdleOne> ask in arch channel.
[02:22] <bazhang> jpg images in terminal?
[02:24] <nhandler> You can convert them to ascii colored text bazhang
[02:25] <bazhang> nhandler, he also wants to view pdf via console
[02:25] <nhandler> bazhang: There are ways to convert pdf files to text or html
[02:25] <bazhang> nhandler, okay thanks
[02:39] <IdleOne> bazhang: I think he is expecting to view HD images in CLI
[02:39] <bazhang> IdleOne, he is running a server? and wants to do everything a desktop allows, without an actual desktop
[02:40] <IdleOne> he is going to have to either install a GUI or realize it's not gonna happen
[06:04] <bazhang> that ban looks wrong
[06:04] <bazhang> thecat not bearcat
[06:05] <IdleOne> bearcat was repeat bot
[06:06] <IdleOne> or was pasting chat from the channel, probably not a bot
[06:10] <IdleOne> night
[06:47] <bazhang> IdleOne, you're still opped in #ubuntu
[07:16] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic buzag (aka hufx Iam_360_ jarheadless) threatening to ban evade #ubuntu <buzag> bazhang: hey come on I could use many diff points to access ubuntu
[10:44] <rww> !openbox
[10:45] <rww> The last sentence there could probably be removed. It's not the most common use case, and the first wikilink covers a way of doing it anyway.
[10:45] <ikonia> 44the url ?
[10:45] <ikonia> oops
[10:45] <ikonia> the url ?
[10:46] <rww> "To replace..." to the end
[10:46] <ikonia> ok
[10:47] <ikonia> sorting it
[10:47] <rww> alright. ta
[10:50] <ikonia> !no openbox is <reply> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox
[16:24] <IdleOne> Morning
[16:24] <IdleOne> sorry bout holding @ all night
[18:16] <MTecknology> nhandler: ^^ !=<EMAIL_ADDRESS>#ubuntu-offtopic :)
[19:12] <IdleOne> laters
[21:54] <dinosaur> hi
[21:54] <dinosaur> i was banned in #ubuntu-beginners for no reason at all.
[21:54] <dinosaur> *none*
[21:57] <IdleOne> dinosaur: you will have to take that up in #ubuntu-irc
[21:59] <IdleOne> dinosaur: Please part this channel. There is a no idling rule. Thank you.
[21:59] <dinosaur> ok thank you
[22:49] <IdleOne> Bearcat: How can I help you?
[22:53] <Bearcat> IdleOne: thanks
[22:53] <IdleOne> for?
[22:54] <IdleOne> Bearcat: Please state your business here
[22:54] <Bearcat> i have a clients kubuntu system. I can't get distribution lists to save. If you save one then select another ..
[22:54] <Bearcat> i'm typing..
[22:55] <IdleOne> Bearcat: this is not a support channel
[22:55] <Bearcat> if you select one then set focus to another contact, when you return to the distibutionn list it's empty.
[22:55] <Bearcat> oh..wow
[22:55] <Bearcat> i didn't mean to type -ops
[22:55] <Bearcat> my bad
[22:55] <Bearcat> *scrams*
[22:55] <IdleOne> heh
[22:55] <IdleOne> see you in a minute
[22:56] <IdleOne> Bearcat: you are being forwarded here
[22:56] <Bearcat> ..ok that's wierd
[22:56] <IdleOne> I set a ban on you earlier today in #ubuntu
[22:56] <IdleOne> Do you know why?
[22:56] <Bearcat> why would i be forwarded here?
[22:56] <Bearcat> no i don't
[22:57] <IdleOne> when you joined #ubuntu earlier today, your client seemed to be spamming that chat from other users, repeating as it were
[22:57] <Bearcat> that's odd
[22:57] <IdleOne> Bearcat: I will remove the ban, please insure that you don't have any repeater scripts running.
[22:58] <Bearcat> thanks. I don't have any such scrips that i know of. I use irc all day.
[22:58] <IdleOne> ban is lifted, please join #ubuntu and have a great day.
[22:58] <Bearcat> thanks.
[22:58] <IdleOne> sorry for the inconvenience
[22:59] <Bearcat> i apologise, for what ever happened.
[22:59] <IdleOne> no worries
[22:59] <Bearcat> might be an erc thing, but i'd think that would be hard to insert an unknown script into.
[23:00] <Bearcat> alright onto the proper channel.


[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 A7YR
[17:41] <user|39> Hello
[20:51] <Guest13> hello whats up?
[21:10] <user|97> When a new version of kde is released, do Kubuntu users get to experience it first hand or at least have it added to the repositories haistily
[23:21] <mparillo> Generally to have the very latest, you either need to be on the daily builds, or on the current release, and enable Kubuntu backports.


[00:53] <Leon_Nardella> Is this a good place to look for help on building icedtea6 on Ubuntu?
[19:12] <EruditeHermit> hi can anyone help me with getting openjdk and eclipse to work together? I get the following error when I try to run the appletviewer sun.applet.AppletViewer not fond in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader
[19:12] <EruditeHermit> thank you in advance
[21:54] <hicham> hi there
[22:05] <hicham> hi there
[22:20] <hicham> hi there
[22:45] <EruditeHermit> hicham: hi
[22:45] <hicham> how r u doing?
[22:45] <EruditeHermit> not bad
[22:45] <EruditeHermit> do you know about ubuntu-java stuff?
[22:46] <hicham> a little bit
[22:46] <hicham> it is a packaging room
[22:46] <hicham> no?
[22:46] <EruditeHermit> can you help me with a problem
[22:46] <EruditeHermit> yes
[22:46] <hicham> yes
[22:46] <hicham> if i can
[22:46] <hicham> ask
[22:46] <EruditeHermit> hi can anyone help me with getting openjdk and eclipse to work together? I get the following error when I try to run the appletviewer sun.applet.AppletViewer not fond in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader
[22:46] <EruditeHermit> repost from earlier
[22:47] <EruditeHermit> I have openjdk-6-jdk installed
[22:47] <hicham> but why openjdk?
[22:47] <hicham> it is still incomplete
[22:47] <hicham> it is a work in progress
[22:47] <EruditeHermit> what is missing?
[22:47] <hicham> a lot of classes and stuff
[22:48] <EruditeHermit> I thought sun opened most of it and what it did not, was reverse engineered
[22:48] <EruditeHermit> I thought it passed the tests to make sure it was compliant
[22:48] <EruditeHermit> or am I wrong?
[22:49] <hicham> it is compliant
[22:49] <hicham> but not complete
[22:49] <hicham> otherwise sun will loose the market
[22:49] <EruditeHermit> I see
[22:49] <EruditeHermit> what all is missing
[22:49] <hicham> eclipse runs well with gcj?
[22:49] <EruditeHermit> well it is running apart from the appletviewer
[22:50] <EruditeHermit> there is even an eclipse-jdt-gcj package in ubuntu
[22:50] <hicham> yes
[22:50] <hicham> in ubuntu there is two alternatives
[22:50] <hicham> the native version of eclipse built with gcj
[22:51] <hicham> and the one that runs with sun-jre
[22:51] <hicham> have u tried sun's jre?
[22:52] <EruditeHermit> no
[22:53] <EruditeHermit> but I'd rather use the open source version if at all possible
[22:53] <hicham> why?
[22:53] <hicham> most people use sun-jre
[22:54] <EruditeHermit> because I support open software
[22:55] <hicham> me too
[22:55] <hicham> here is a tip
[22:55] <hicham> try to find the class in jre and put in OpenJDK's runtime
[22:55] <hicham> usually, there is a main jar file
[22:55] <hicham> which contains the basic runtime classes
[22:57] <EruditeHermit> doesn't it load all the classes in jre?
[22:57] <EruditeHermit> already
[22:57] <hicham> yes, but as u told, it doesnt find some classes
[22:57] <EruditeHermit> how do I find it?
[22:57] <hicham> plus, the open jdk wont use the sun package
[22:58] <hicham> it is obvious
[22:58] <EruditeHermit> err
[22:58] <EruditeHermit> I'm new to all this
[22:58] <EruditeHermit> so forgive my ignorance
[22:58] <hicham> me too i m new dont worry
[22:58] <hicham> r u working on ubuntu?
[22:58] <EruditeHermit> yes
[22:59] <EruditeHermit> I have hte ubuntu packages installed
[23:03] <EruditeHermit> ok
[23:03] <EruditeHermit> I got it to work
[23:03] <EruditeHermit> somehow
[23:03] <EruditeHermit> but I still am confused by something
[23:03] <hicham> how did u do?
[23:03] <EruditeHermit> so
[23:03] <hicham> what?
[23:04] <EruditeHermit> it turns out that I seem to have 2 javas installed
[23:04] <EruditeHermit> if I go to run
[23:04] <EruditeHermit> then there is a tab called JRE
[23:05] <EruditeHermit> in that tab there is Project JRE (OpenJDK)
[23:05] <hicham> here is a program to help you : galternatives
[23:06] <hicham> and u can choose from the project properties too
[23:06] <EruditeHermit> but it is using a jre in a directory called java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:06] <EruditeHermit> and also one directory called openjdk-6-jdk
[23:06] <EruditeHermit> why are there two?
[23:08] <hicham> u have to choose the compiler
[23:08] <hicham> and the runtime
[23:09] <EruditeHermit> but why do I have two when I only installed openjdk-6-jdk
[23:10] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[23:10] <EruditeHermit> I am confused why I have gcj as well as openjdk
[23:10] <EruditeHermit> and what the difference is
[23:10] <EruditeHermit> for example
[23:10] <EruditeHermit> I seem to have 2 implementations of java in /usr/lib/jvm/
[23:11] <EruditeHermit> one is /usr/lib/jvm/openjdk-6-jdk and the other is /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:14] <hicham> openjdk is project different from gcj
[23:14] <hicham> it may uses some elements of it
[23:14] <hicham> but it is not the same
[23:14] <hicham> java-gcj is installed by default
[23:14] <hicham> that is why there is a folder for it
[23:20] <EruditeHermit> hmm
[23:22] <hicham> do u understand now?
[23:24] <EruditeHermit> i guess
[23:24] <EruditeHermit> can I get rid of the gcj version
[23:33] <EruditeHermit> can i remove the package gcj-4.3?
[23:33] <EruditeHermit> the whole java situation is so confusing because there are so many open source implementations of it
[23:33] <EruditeHermit> cacao, openjdk, gcj, icedtea
[23:34] <EruditeHermit> and many of them overlap
[23:34] <EruditeHermit> but they also all have their own packages
[23:34] <EruditeHermit> which makes it a big mess for someone who doesn't know what they are doing


[02:15] <natural> has anyone looked into why 13.04 isnt sleeping correctly?
[07:06] <sicness> which pkg says 'The program '*' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:' ?
[12:22] <Guest731> hi i recently joined bussquad but ofc im not able to set bugs from eol versions to wont fix. what am i supposed to do?
[12:27] <mapreri> Guest731: only bug control member can set bugs to wont fix (and I'm only a bug squad member)
[12:31] <Guest731> so shall i ccontactfor example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/946742
[12:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 946742 in intel-vaapi-driver (Ubuntu) "Shotwell crashes on start with gstreamer0.10-vaapi" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:32] <Guest731> shall i try to contacct the assignee? or a specific person of bug-contol?
[12:34] <penguin42> Guest731: did you add a comment to that?
[12:34] <Guest731> yes
[12:34] <penguin42> the last one?
[12:35] <Guest731> y and several before
[12:36] <penguin42> Guest731: OK, I think you're wrong to say that 12.04.1 is out of support
[12:40] <penguin42> Guest731: If you can point me to somewhere that does say that I'd be interested
[12:40] <Guest731> well on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases its just empty. only 12.04.2 has an offical end of life, while 12.04.0/1 dont
[12:40] <penguin42> but 12.04.1 is not in the EoL section
[12:41] <penguin42> my understanding is that 12.04 is supported for the whole period
[12:43] <penguin42> also, I generally wouldn't want to change a bug to won't fix/invalid if it's assigned
[12:48] <Guest731> even something like that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/303404 five years old and filed agianst 8.10? and the upstream bug linked says Status:	RESOLVED Resolution:	OBSOLETE
[12:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 303404 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "last.fm: selecting multiple songs produces a download error" [Low,Triaged]
[12:51] <penguin42> hmm, that I might be tempted by; it's not had any activity for a long time and it's assigned to a group rather than one person; I'd probably set it to incomplete and ask if anyone can still reporduce
[12:56] <Guest731> why dont you set it to wont fix and ask wheter it stil reproducable. so it will vanish from the default bug list view an not distract from important bugs anymore. the bu submitter and all subcribed will get an email and if they wish to ropen it again they can comment or sent a mail. otherwise you have to visit the bug again after some time. although chances are 0.000001 percent that someone will respond
[12:57] <penguin42> for which, the 1st or the 2nd one?
[12:59] <Guest731> the second one. the old filed against 8.10
[13:00] <penguin42> because 'incomplete' times out and expires after a few weeks automatically; which is really what you're after - you want to ask a question 'does anyone still see this?' and if no one replies positively then it'll expire
[13:01] <penguin42> it's incomplete if no one answers your question
[13:03] <penguin42> Guest731: It's not too rare to end up with people filing bugs against one release, it never getting fixed, it expiring as EoL but it never being fixed, so they submit another bug and the same thing happens - 5 years later it's still not fixed
[13:04] <Guest731> ok you mean incomplete because theres no up to date descripton. well my perception was that incomplete means wheter was at least once a proper description.
[13:04] <penguin42> no, incomplete can be because you need some more information - whether that's description or the answer to a question
[13:04] <Guest731> i think that solves my problems
[19:13] <Nikratio> Supervisors: I'd like to nominate bug 1179281 for a raring SRU
[19:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1179281 in s3ql (Ubuntu) "Data corruption with eglibc 2.17" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1179281
[19:17] <jtaylor_> done
[19:20] <jtaylor_> Nikratio: it would be good if s3ql gets autopkgtest so that this type of issue can be caught without rebuild
[19:20] <jtaylor_> ubuntu runs the tests on each first level dependency change: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/
[19:25] <Nikratio> jtaylor_:  will look into it, thanks for the link