[03:27] <wujie> :-D
[04:40] <uBUXUBu> good morning technicians
[13:39] <titan_> hello!
[13:42] <titan_> anyone to give help here?
[13:48] <holstein> titan_: depends... just ask and see
[13:48] <titan_> need help with usb bluetooth dongle
[13:49] <holstein> you have referred to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup ? titan_
[13:50] <titan_> tried that but no help
[13:50] <titan_> I have lubuntu 11.10
[13:51] <holstein> titan_: sure.. just elaborate... is the USB device showing up in lsusb? how about the output of some of the commands at that wiki page
[13:51] <titan_> D 0c10:0000
[13:51] <titan_> this is the id i get
[13:51] <titan_> so yes is there
[13:55] <titan_> I installed gnome-vfs-obexftp
[13:56] <titan_> also installed all bluetooth related from synaptic
[13:56] <titan_> still can't
[13:56] <titan_>  get bluetooth to work
[14:01] <titan__> the usb donle is ok cause it's working good on win7
[14:01] <titan__> dongle*
[14:01] <holstein> titan__: i would try #ubuntu ...sometimes i try different live CD's to check for compatibility with other kernel versions
[14:02] <titan__> no work in l;ive cd either
[14:02] <titan__> The lubuntu cd I say
[14:02] <titan__> works great with ubuntu suse fedora or other distro
[14:03] <holstein> titan__: sure.. im saying in *other* live CD's.. the 10.04 main ubuntu... knoppix... the upcoming 12.04 release.. different kernel versions
[14:03] <holstein> titan__: ?
[14:03] <holstein> lubuntu = ubuntu
[14:03] <holstein> just customized and running LXDE instead of unity or gnome
[14:03] <titan__> I know that that's
[14:03] <titan__> that's why i get confused
[14:04] <titan__> why is not working
[14:04] <holstein> if it works in main ubuntu 11.10, and not lubuntu 11.10, then, its just a matter of figuring out what pacakges need to be installed that are in main ubuntu that are no in lubuntu
[14:04] <titan__> you're true but i donno how to fing out
[14:04] <titan__> find*
[14:05] <holstein> maybe http://lubuntu.net/tags/bluetooth would help
[14:05] <titan__> in ubuntu 11.10 is out of the box
[14:05] <titan__> no help here
[14:05] <titan__> tried that first thing
[14:06] <holstein> titan__: what thing?
[14:06] <holstein> titan__: does the device work in main ubuntu 11.10?
[14:06] <titan__> yes
[14:06] <holstein> if so, you can make it work in lubuntu
[14:06] <titan__>  with live cd
[14:06] <titan__> cause i did not made an instalkl
[14:06] <holstein> OK... then its just a matter of learning how to communicate with the hardware
[14:07] <titan__> tried http://lubuntu.net/tags/bluetooth
[14:07] <holstein> OK... i would find *anyone* in the mailing lists or forums using LXDE and bluetooth
[14:07] <share> hello
[14:08] <share> I can't connect to wireless using livecd. im using 11.10
[14:08] <holstein> i would try adding whatever GUI you use in unity
[14:08] <titan__> holstein thanks
[14:08] <share> something is WRONG
[14:08] <holstein> share: broadcom?
[14:08] <share> no, the wireless works, network manager doesnt make any connection
[14:09] <share> startx.. then.. connect to wireless AP and doesnt work
[14:09] <holstein> share: i dont think you can assume the wireless is "working" then, correct?
[14:10] <holstein> share: is this broadcom?
[14:10] <share> holstein: dude, please...
[14:10] <holstein> share: i'll be idle if you need anthing :)
[14:10] <share> the wireless works in any decent distro
[14:10] <share> it's not a driver problem!
[14:10] <share> you are pissing me off
[14:10] <holstein> share: if its not connecting right now though, its likely a driver issue
[14:11] <Toscho> hello
[14:11] <holstein> im not saying the hardare is bad
[14:11] <share> holstein: it recognizes
[14:11] <share> the wireless adapter
[14:11] <share> it shows wireless aps
[14:11] <share> looks like nm-applet is bugged
[14:11] <Toscho> when I try to start my laptop (lubuntu 11.10), it freezes after the bios-screens
[14:12] <holstein> share: OK.. in my first hand experience, i have changed drivers in those cases with decent luck
[14:12] <Toscho> what can be the reason and how can I solve this problem
[14:12] <share> I guess i should have chose Lubuntu LTS
[14:14] <share> lubuntu sucks bye
[14:34] <MrChrisDruif> holstein; share could've been a bit more polite
[14:54] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[15:02] <phillw> hi kosaidpo
[15:02] <kosaidpo> phillw: supp
[15:03] <kosaidpo> im still using 11.04
[15:03] <phillw> my usual epic fail to test something for Julien :(
[15:03] <kosaidpo> whats new in the next release ?
[15:03] <phillw> yeah, it's a paper cut in lubuntu -  a missing icon.
[15:03] <kosaidpo> fail as in how
[15:03] <kosaidpo> what you wanna do and o you get ??
[15:04] <phillw> kosaidpo: it won't even 'see' my 3G device :/
[15:04] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha kosaidpo
[15:05] <kosaidpo> phillw: as in it doesnt detect it ?? make a rule
[15:05] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: hello supp
[15:05] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo; as in you can't see the icon
[15:05] <MrChrisDruif> Nothing much
[15:06] <kosaidpo> phillw: make sure it has one tho
[15:06] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: i guess the icone its not that important but i do agree still a detail to fix : ]
[15:06] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo; +1 on both
[15:07] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: haaha ; ]
[15:07] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: what lubuntu version are you using ??
[15:07] <MrChrisDruif> And suddenly someone noticed that apt-xapian-index gets installed with default installation somehow
[15:08]  * MrChrisDruif uses ubuntu with gnome-shell ghehe :]
[15:08] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: apt-xapian-index what is it for ?
[15:08] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I'll fire an email off to Julien. At least I now have 12.04 beta2 with the staging ppa installed for the boss :)
[15:08] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo; synaptic and update-manager I believe
[15:09] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: i see good
[15:10] <MrChrisDruif> apt-xapian-index Reverse Depends: python-apt:i386  synaptic  packagekit-backend-aptcc  packagekit-backend-apt  goplay  fuss-launcher  ept-cache  aptitude-gtk  adept  software-center  python-apt  muon-installer  muon  aptitude
[15:10] <MrChrisDruif> At least on my system
[15:10] <kosaidpo> phillw: so its an lxpanel issue ??
[15:11]  * MrChrisDruif should try if making an icon works for fixing that bug
[15:11] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: so much dep
[15:11] <kosaidpo> lubuntu its one cool distro
[15:12] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo; not depends > REVERSE depends
[15:12] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: reverse means what ??
[15:12] <MrChrisDruif> Aka: which programs depend on it
[15:12]  * kosaidpo still bad at english
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> aptitude (among other things) depends on apt-xapian-index
[15:13] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: ahh so that axpian-apt its a dep for those packages
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> You
[15:13] <MrChrisDruif> Yup*
[15:14] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: i dont speak engish unless in on irc rooms or forums :S
[15:14] <kosaidpo> and the bad me never think to take this to next level in my daily life :[
[15:15] <kosaidpo> haha hers a jock
[15:15] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, it's ALL the packages in the repos that depend on it
[15:15] <MrChrisDruif> For instance, I haven't got aptitude installed but it's still listed
[15:15] <kosaidpo> on a site for android apps and they expose a windows media player
[15:15] <kosaidpo> im wonderin ho wants to pollute its device with that MS garbage :D
[15:16] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, is it even possible to install wmp on Android?
[15:16] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: apt-get suffice me
[15:16] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, the reason would be familiarity
[15:16] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: well yeh since its android apps site
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo; so does it for me, I just found it odd that mentioned aptitude as reverse depend
[15:17] <kosaidpo> MrChrisDruif: agree but when you breath the freedom you never go back to the MS forest
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> There are people that would disagree
[15:18] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, would you mind /join #lubuntu-offtopic ? ^_^
[17:55] <thor_> phillw: BUG report. http://imagebin.org/205101 there are still no icon of driver install and LSC wont start. Made a image of it
[17:56] <thor_> It's zsync of today
[17:56] <phillw> thor_: please raise a bug report, I'm on with the http://thesii.org/Screenshot.jpg at the moment!
[17:58] <thor_> phillw i am not going to made a bug report. I am only doing it here on IRC
[17:58] <thor_> make
[17:59] <phillw> LSC is a pure lubuntu bug. and needs reporting to its creator / maintainer. Stephen is not logged on and will ne be aware of the problem unless you raise it. In which case it cannot get fixed :/
[17:59] <phillw> s/ne/not
[18:00] <phillw> thor_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[18:01] <thor_> phillw but libreoffice there you can make a bug report on IRC
[18:02] <phillw> thor_: I'm not running my 12.04 test rig. So I cannot raise a bug report.
[18:03] <thor_> phillw thanks
[20:45] <cordyceps> everytime I  run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I get the response to the effect: 'everythings fine, nothing to download.' It's been like this for a couple of months. Is there something wrong here? On lubuntu-11.10
[20:49] <holstein> cordyceps: are you online? how about just sudo apt-get update
[20:50] <cordyceps> online? I guess so. Yeah, I run update OK. Just when I run upgrade, it(the terminal) says nothing to do.
[20:52] <cordyceps> my sources.list seems to cover all the bases.
[20:52] <holstein> cordyceps: run them seperately
[20:52] <holstein> run this...
[20:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[20:52] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:53] <cordyceps> I do that all the time. I just wrote && here to tighten things up
[20:54] <holstein> cordyceps: im just reducing variables and trying to see what is up.. you also wrote above that you are running those as a normal users
[20:55] <cordyceps> sudo -i
[20:55] <holstein> cordyceps: if you dont mind, run those 2 commands.. separately, ... as root, and report
[20:56] <cordyceps> ok, but I have bandwidth issues; it'll be a while
[20:56] <holstein> if something is timing out, or you are not letting sudo apt-get update actually finish updating somehow, i wouldnt expect any upgrades
[20:57] <cordyceps> I got a big(for me) file coming down over the phone line right now. Can only IRC until that's done ;(
[21:01] <holstein> if i had bandwidth limitations, i would likely run the LTS's, and try and download the iso iwth the upgrades in it somewhere else off site when they are updated.. like 10.04.2, 10.04.3 for example
[21:02] <holstein> or, just not worry about it too much unless i read something about a kernel vulnerability... maybe keep the browser up to date, and flash


[01:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: figure you may know this one, what's the cheapest way for me to get a small screen to display a QR Code and a number?
[01:36] <Azelphur> that's it's whole life mission, to display QR Codes and numbers.
[01:39] <ali1234> get an android phone?
[01:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I'm thinking perhaps android displaying a webpage with maybe websockets or ajax or something
[01:40] <ali1234> the cheapest way is probably a box of crayons
[01:41] <ali1234> need more information to give a reasonable response
[01:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpcf9rSBIk
[01:42] <Azelphur> so it's soul mission in life would be to be small enough to fit on a counter, and do <qr code> <amount>
[01:43] <ali1234> just use the android app?
[01:43] <ali1234> also "now wait an hour for 6 confirmations"
[01:45] <ali1234> i installed the android wallet app a few days ago, it's still downloading the blockchain
[01:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: huh?
[01:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: you don't need to wait for confs on small payments
[06:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:53] <gordonjcp> morning
[07:20] <DJones> Ugh, I hate xchat when I can't use ssh to connect to my irssi instance
[07:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:36] <daubers> 1Morning
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha, I love it when people do stuff just because "they can". Ubuntu booting in 6hrs on a 6.5Khz system http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/6-5khz-computer-boots-ubuntu-in-6-hours-20120329/
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> How the Reading Happy Hour then daubers? Was it Happy?
[07:40] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: 'twas good
[07:40] <daubers> Always good to see people again, and some new faces too
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame I couldn't make it, but my missus was at a rehearsal
[07:41] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer, Reading that article, amd that was only to a bash/terminal prompt, maybe they're still waiting for it to the unity desktop
[07:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah
[07:59] <xplora1a> AlanBell: popey thanks for Ubuntu happy hour last night. Sorry I had to go early.
[08:03] <czajkowski> morning
[08:03] <popey> xplora1a: was fun wasn't it ☺
[08:22] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[08:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: sorry can't talk i'm panic buying things ;)
[08:25] <bigcalm> Buy choc-ices
[08:32] <DJones> MooDoo, Your car won't run on pasties
[08:32] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :)
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Friday
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0
[08:37] <oimon> glad i don't watch/read the general news..no idea what everyone's talking about with pasties and petrol
[08:42] <oimon> this "don't break precise" mentality is really working as loads of people seem to be running (and therefore testing) the betas for their daily work, rather than boot for an hour and try to break stuff
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> oimon: Precise breaks all by itself, I don't have to help it.
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> Well unity does
[08:45] <oimon> :P more than 11.10?
[08:47] <popey> pfffft
[08:47] <oimon> did you just fart popey?
[08:48] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0BfcdPKw8E
[08:50] <oimon> installing android 4.0.4 on my tablet \o/
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> 4.0.4?
[08:59] <oimon> MartijnVdS, yes
[08:59] <DJones> oimon, Which tablet
[09:00] <DJones> oimon, Mine is on 4.0.3
[09:04] <oimon> http://ubuntuone.com/5zflrLQQpKjrICtfOiTBO5 << MartijnVdS DJones
[09:04] <oimon> hp touchpad
[09:05] <DJones> Ah, mine's the Asus prime, 4.0.3 is the default manufacturers version
[09:06] <oimon> never seen one up close in the wild
[09:06] <DJones> Tis nice
[09:06] <oimon> can you run ubuntu natively on it ?
[09:06] <DJones> Its supposed to run, I saw a couple of videos saying it would
[09:07] <oimon> if so, it would be a future laptop for me
[09:07] <DJones> bigcalm, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57405986-1/android-4.0.4-allegedly-bound-for-motorola-xoom-wi-fi/
[09:09] <popey> ubuntu isn't great on transformers
[09:09] <popey> yet
[09:12] <gord> i still think people are talking about robots in disguise when people mention transformers
[09:13] <bigcalm> DJones: good news yes, but doesn't say when
[09:14] <bigcalm> gord: hence the legal debate
[09:14] <DJones> I did wonder how well any tablet would run ubuntu, I would have thought memory limitations would put pressure on it
[09:14] <gord> tablets have a lorra lorra memory these days
[09:15] <popey> LORRA LORRA!
[09:15] <DJones> gord, Still only 1gb ram, the rest is "disk" storage
[09:15] <gord> lorra lorra blinda data
[09:16]  * DJones wonders when cilla black became popey (or vice versa)
[09:16] <popey> NONSENSE NONSENSE NONSENSE!
[09:16] <popey> etc
[09:19] <DJones> popey, With your comment about ubuntu on the prime, are you aware if there is any official development for it?
[09:24] <Myrtti> theme tune of the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
[09:25] <popey> DJones: define "official"?
[09:25] <popey> I didn't mention the prime btw, just "transformer"
[09:25] <DJones> Ah, sorry, I read it as transformer prime
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looking forward to this tomorrow: http://www.saracensatwembley.com/ :-)
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Amazed they have sold 75000 tickets. Going to be a big day. Think my younguns will enjoy the atmosphere...
[09:29] <DJones> popey, I guess by "official" I was looking at tablet versions sponsored/developed by canonical (not specifically for the prime/asus)
[09:30] <DJones> Was just looking at this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/ubuntu-tablet-to-compete-with-android-ios/ so I think that answers that question anyway
[09:34] <daubers> Does anyone know any VDA type apps for andorid?
[09:34] <oimon> xorg regularly uses nearly all cpu on this machine :( think i'll try another grpahics card
[09:35] <daubers> oimon: Or build a new windowing system :p
[09:45] <popey> DJones: nothing yet
[09:45] <popey> bug 969023
[09:45] <popey> anyone fancy trying to reproduce that?
[09:47] <czajkowski> sure
[09:47] <czajkowski> let me log out
[09:47] <popey> you need to mash loads of keys into it
[09:47] <gord> would anyone yell at me if i blocked the spotify indicator in unity?
[09:47] <popey> its unnecessary now its in the sound menu
[09:48] <popey> so long as you fix keyboard binding too ☺
[09:48] <czajkowski> popey: confirmed
[09:48] <czajkowski> gord: if you filt the alt key I'll never both you again
[09:48] <czajkowski> *bother
[09:49] <gord> alt key seems fine for me
[09:49] <AlanBell> orly
[09:49] <czajkowski> gord: you don't use screen do you :)
[09:49] <AlanBell> gord steals alt keys from guest VMs
[09:49] <czajkowski> for people who use screen in irssi it's a woeful pain in the you know whattis
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell. How's the head today?
[09:51] <AlanBell> fine fine
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jolly Dee.
[09:52] <popey> czajkowski: works for me
[09:52] <popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?
[09:53] <czajkowski> in screen in irssi it keeps popping the hud open :.
[09:53] <czajkowski> :/
[09:53] <popey> 10:52:27 < popey> czajkowski: what keyboard shortcut does it steal?
[09:54] <popey> I use Alt+Numbers and ALT+a a lot
[09:54] <BigRedS> czajkowski: it's less bad in the latest unity
[09:54] <BigRedS> that was irritating the hell out of me on Sunday
[09:55] <BigRedS> and then I dist-upgraded and it irritated me less frequently
[09:57] <czajkowski> popey: alt numbers/letters
[09:57] <czajkowski> I did dis upgrade this morning
[09:57] <BigRedS> and arrow keys, it was terminator it was annoying me for
[09:57] <AlanBell> czajkowski: you can use escape instead of alt as the irssi modifier
[09:57] <BigRedS> I think I did still end up setting the hud key to some daft combination in the end
[09:58] <BigRedS> which was a shame, I was sort-of getting in to using it. But not by enough to start breaking other muscle-memory
[09:59] <AlanBell> it is kind of annoying when trying to test ubuntu in a VM and do screencasts of it etc, when you try to demo the HUD and hit alt to bring it up and the host HUD decides to steal the alt key
[09:59] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh didnt know that thanks, but that feels all sorts of wrong to change windows
[10:00] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I got used to it a while ago, escape is closer to the numbers
[10:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: will give it a try and see it's when I go to alt l m b that esc seems very odd
[10:07] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <AlanBell> popey: bug 969044
[10:16] <czajkowski> ok does anyone here use their @ubuntu.com address on a ubuntu mailman lists?
[10:16] <czajkowski> are you able to send and receive them ?
[10:18] <popey> i dont
[10:20] <czajkowski> I am a litle baffled by a question since yesterday
[10:20]  * czajkowski goes to try and dig further
[10:22] <popey> what question?
[10:23] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/192063
[10:26] <popey> why does he think his address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[10:26] <popey> it will be<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:27] <bigcalm> dominos.co.uk!
[10:27] <bigcalm> Damn, not good to crave pizza
[10:27] <czajkowski> BigRedS: shh I just got papa johns sms offering free pizza
[10:28] <czajkowski> bigcalm: ^^^
[10:28]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski with a tab typo ;)
[10:28] <czajkowski> autocomplete is gonna land me in hot bother one of these days
[10:28] <bigcalm> cz<tab> I agree
[10:28] <czajkowski> popey: aye :/ but he does say it works wiht gmail
[10:29] <popey> czajkowski: i dont actually understand what he's saying there
[10:30] <popey> the first problem is he's using the wrong address
[10:30] <czajkowski> aye am just replying that bit
[10:30] <czajkowski> and see if he understands
[10:30] <popey> ubuntu addresses are<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:31] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~domino (who is not a member) would have that address
[10:37]  * davmor2 now thinks that czajkowski new job is that of a digger :D
[10:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: gold variety? ;)
[10:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: can see a trip to the naughty step in MooDoo 's future :D
[10:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: another case of opening up mouth before thinking
[10:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: whenever I see czajkowski say I'll dig into that, it reminds me of crocodile dundee 2  when leroy brown: I deliver stuff, cd: What kinda stuff, LB: Erasers pens paper, CD: And that heavy s**t, LB: No I'm strickly legit, you dig, CD: Yeap, is that part of the job, LB:WHAT?, CD: Diggin'
[10:46] <MooDoo> lol
[10:47] <davmor2> only problem now is I want to watch Crocodile Dundee :D
[10:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:59]  * AlanBell has borked broadband :(
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh dear. And on invoicing day too...
[11:00] <AlanBell> yeah, tethering with gprs now, not fun :(
[11:00] <AlanBell> http://www.plus.net/supportpages.html?a=2&?helpheader=servicestatus
[11:00] <jussi> AlanBell: borked broadband?? is that a new brand :D
[11:00] <jussi> ?
[11:05] <n1md4> BigRedS: Do you want to hear a joke?   .... I'm running Ubuntu on my G4 ;D
[11:05] <n1md4> ... and KDE on the VAIO :>
[11:06] <kirrus> n1md4: BigRedS just went to the shops
[11:07] <chambo> Is anyone with experience of LDAP auth and SSL here?
[11:13] <popey> AlanBell: just tested your bug. on screen keyboard boots to 3d, orca screen reader boots to 2d
[11:15] <popey> hmm, i may have the wrong iso
[11:16] <popey> bah, yes, old iso
[11:17] <chambo> My bad - ldap fixed
[11:20] <AlanBell> popey: how did you start orca?
[11:20] <AlanBell> ctrl+s or from the panel menu?
[11:22] <popey> AlanBell: i started from the boot screen
[11:22] <popey> AlanBell: but it was an old iso, now trynig from ubuntu 12.04 beta 2
[11:23] <popey> AlanBell: Man = Keyboard, F5, Screen reader, "try ubuntu"
[11:23] <AlanBell> oh, don't do that
[11:23] <AlanBell> new way is sit and wait until you hear the drums, then ctrl+s
[11:24] <popey> why?
[11:24] <popey> this works
[11:24] <AlanBell> if you can see the man, yes
[11:24] <popey> who defined this "new way" ?
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> People :)
[11:25] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/oneiric-ocelot/
[11:25] <AlanBell> it was that way in oneiric
[11:25] <popey> ok, ctrl+s opens orca screen reader
[11:25] <popey> now what?
[11:31] <ali1234> df -h
[11:35]  * AlanBell wants fixed networking :(
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: did it break? how?
[12:07] <AlanBell> am I back?
[12:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> you appear to be
[12:07] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[12:36] <n1md4> kirrus: Hey  :)
[12:39] <kirrus> hey n1md4.
[12:39] <BigRedS> n1md4: what? There's still a Ubuntu PPC?
[12:40] <BigRedS> and KDE?
[12:41] <popey> http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/precise/ suggests yes
[12:42] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[12:42] <BigRedS> Haha, I think I was surprised by that about a year ago, too
[12:42] <BigRedS> that's not a canonical one is it?
[12:44] <popey> i dunno what the status is
[12:44] <dvdrw> Is PPC mac hardware?
[12:45] <kitsos> hello
[12:45] <kirrus> dvdrw: it's the old processor arch they used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC
[12:45] <kirrus> kitsos: hello
[12:46] <kitsos> can i ask you something?
[12:46] <dvdrw> prior to Intel
[12:46] <popey> !ask | kitsos
[12:46] <popey> (so yes)
[12:48] <kitsos> ok i am sorry.Well i have install apache2 in my computer and now i want to restart it "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" the command but how can i find the "etc" i dont know where i saved it
[12:48] <dvdrw> etc is just a directory
[12:49] <kitsos> yes but what should i put there
[12:49] <brobostigon> ls /etc/init.d    to get the right name.
[12:49] <brobostigon> or use service, ie, "sudo service apache2 restart"
[12:49] <dvdrw> I just use "service apache2 restart"
[12:50] <ali1234> i just look sizeways at apache and it restarts
[12:50] <kitsos> :D Thank you guys
[12:50] <brobostigon> :)
[12:50] <dvdrw> another success story
[12:51] <brobostigon> collaborative.
[12:51] <kirrus> ali1234:really? what do you do to it? We have hundreds of machines running it happily ;)
[12:52] <ali1234> run it on a server with not enough ram i guess
[12:52] <ali1234> cd ..
[12:52] <kirrus> ali1234: use monit to restart it when ram gets low then :)
[12:53] <ali1234> yeah
[13:02] <BigRedS> or use lighttpd
[13:06] <kitsos> Drupal is good?
[13:08] <popey> depends what you want to use it for
[13:14] <kitsos> well actually i wanna make a website like dailmotion youtube and give the permission to users to upload videos!
[13:16] <bigcalm> You could probably achieve that with any CMS plus plugins. Drupal is OTT for a lot of things in my opinion though
[13:16] <bigcalm> Might be suited to your needs
[13:16] <dvdrw> like youdoubled?
[13:18] <kitsos> yes like that but there is something else i dont remember the name :/
[13:21] <kitsos> well i am begginer on linux i had install apache and all of this things on windows xp but with a friend.
[13:25] <arsen> drupal is quite involved, but very good.
[13:29] <kitsos> drupal is a web builder how we call it?
[13:30] <bigcalm> Drupal is a Content Management System
[13:32] <oimon> and quite complicated
[13:32] <kitsos> well can you tell me more Content Management System
[13:33] <ali1234> drupal seems to be designed around the idea of supporting a consultancy business
[13:33] <ali1234> it's very enterprisey
[13:33] <kirrus> short version, it gives you a web-gui to edit sites... wikipedia's got long version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system
[13:38] <kitsos> there is only drupal?
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: Take a look at Joomla! too. It is somewhat easier to build websites in than Drupal but is still quite flexible due to the huge number of addons available.
[13:42] <directhex> wordpress!
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> directhex: Yes, Wordpress is pretty cool too.
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> But a bit harder to turn into a "proper" website than Joomla!
[13:43] <popey> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=drupal,+Joomla,+wordpress&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wordpress doesn;t count because of wordpress.com ;-)
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Actually I am surprised WP isn;t much higher than that
[13:44] <Daviey> Joomla! has a worse security history than nearly any other webap i've had to manage.
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's been around longer ;-)
[13:44] <bigcalm> Just lost an 89 turn game of draw something because I miss-read frat as fart :(
[13:44] <Daviey> I know Wordpress is used quite heavily as a CMS for some people.
[13:45] <kitsos> guys can you tell me the most used?
[13:45] <ali1234> wordpress
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> That depends on what it is used for.
[13:45] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer: You mean it's code is based on, back in the day, when writing retardedly insecure code was acceptable ? :)
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wordpress is massive, because it runs Wordpress.com
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> and runs millions of blogs
[13:45] <ali1234> at least
[13:46] <Daviey> and lots of sites, which wouldn't seem to be a blog from the appearance
[13:46] <kitsos> ok lets say that i have build my website on my localhost ok?how can i "upload" it and set it on?
[13:46] <ali1234> it's also by far the easiest to use and extend
[13:46] <kirrus> Daviey: really? Security wise, wordpress gives me far more headaches than joomla
[13:46] <Daviey> but, written in PHP, which makes babies weep.
[13:46] <Daviey> kirrus: Are you serious ?
[13:47] <kirrus> Daviey: deadly. Seriously, it's getting to the point I have to fix a cracked wordpress site once a week.
[13:47] <ali1234> i recently converted my webpage from drupal to wordpress
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: tar -zvf ~/mysite.tar.gz mysite_dir
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> mysqldump -u user -p passwd db_name > db.sql
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then send them to your new host.
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> and reverse the process. Will need to edit a config file to get the new paths right, but that's about it.
[13:48] <ali1234> setting up drupal took me a couple of weeks. converting everything to wordpress took my half an hour
[13:49] <kirrus> Daviey: admitedly, usually because people don't update wordpress, and crackers mass-exploit it, but still, there's a reason why there's this saying, and it's popular: "wordpress is an unauthenticated remote shell that, as a useful side feature, also contains a blog" (http://bash.org/?949214)
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> kitsos: Basically there are lots of *very* good and *very* popular Content Management Systems you can use. But this channel is probably not the best place to research your choice.
[13:51] <kitsos> TheOpenSourcerer: Thank you very much
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> no problem.
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm not saying to go away, but you can probably find some good comparisons on the Internet. We all have our favourites but they may or may not be the best for your needs.
[13:58] <kitsos> Yes i understand :P i've already bookmak this channel :) you helped me a lot today thank you all guys! :)
[13:59] <oimon> hmm machine froze and i lost my work... http://ubuntuone.com/2bX2MNr069BiljgPYKHEwv
[14:02] <popey> pretty!
[14:02] <DJones> Looks like coloured ascii art
[14:04] <Daviey> more like pacman
[14:05] <davmor2> oimon: that's hex colour blocks for the coded text,  "I told you to save, but no, you knew better" :D
[14:05] <BigRedS> kirrus: we do have billions more WP installs than Joomla ones
[14:06] <gord> would make for a pretty good wallpaper that
[14:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> BigRedS: "Billions"? really?
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> Bazillions!
[14:10] <davmor2> I see your Bazillions! and raise you Gazillions of bazillions of billions of millions of hundreds of thousands of tens of thousands of thousands of hundreds of tens of pounds of pence
[14:12] <kirrus> BigRedS: aye.. but that might say something about wordpress ;-) .. TBF, someone from ubu-uk community hosting a joomla site on my personal server didn't update it.. with bad consequences for their site
[14:15] <ali1234> failure to update is on thing but e107 takes security issues to a whole new place
[14:15] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, to the nearest billion, excluding zero
[14:15] <BigRedS> :)
[14:16] <shauno> http://en.wordpress.com/stats/  is still a pretty surprising number
[14:21] <kirrus> ali1234: e107? (/me googles)
[14:58] <DJones> This sounds quite a fair and impartial comparison of the iPad and Transformer Prime http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/45050/new-ipad-vs-transformer-prime
[14:59] <PaulYosef> -_-
[14:59] <PaulYosef> hi folks
[15:00] <PaulYosef> dutch and belgian people are racist scum hiding in the dutch ubuntu rooms im just spreading this message because i fought there racism and now im some sort of paria there just to let you know
[15:00] <ikonia> !ops | PaulYosef fujisan known ubuntu troll: just tried to cause a problem in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <ikonia> fujisan, I'm not sure why you are doing this
[15:18] <b1ackcr0w> hello all!
[15:19] <b1ackcr0w> I filed a bug earlier. was just looking for feedback on whether id filed it correctly ...
[15:19] <b1ackcr0w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/969121
[15:26] <popey> hi b1ackcr0w
[15:27] <b1ackcr0w> yo popester
[15:27] <b1ackcr0w> how are you?
[15:28] <popey> fine, fine
[15:28] <popey> warm
[15:30]  * b1ackcr0w must get my head around doing a remix with the customizeation tool
[15:32] <b1ackcr0w> it may be the only way I can install
[15:33] <popey> not the only way ☺
[15:33] <popey> a way
[15:33]  * b1ackcr0w listens with interest
[15:33] <popey> sorry, on a call
[15:34] <b1ackcr0w> s'ok
[15:37] <brobostigon> ok, i have found out, i shouldnt backup the world files, for minetest, while the server is running. is there a way, i have it running from the directory i compiled it in, ~/minetest/bin/minetestserver . is there an automated way, of shutting it down, rsync'ing backup, and then firing the server back up again?
[15:37] <brobostigon> this is on ubuntu 11.10 server.
[15:45] <awilkins> brobostigon, Does minetest respond to signals, e.g. HUP
[15:45] <brobostigon> awilkins: no idea.
[15:45] <daubers> What's minetest?
[15:46] <awilkins> brobostigon, The idea being that you could run it in a shell script that loops infinitely around running minetest and doing a backup, if it does
[15:46] <brobostigon> daubers: it is a OSS version of minecraft, in c++.
[15:46] <brobostigon> awilkins: ah, interesting idea.
[15:46] <daubers> Oh
[15:48] <b1ackcr0w> popey: give us a shout when you're ready - I'm minimising for a mo
[15:50] <czajkowski> anyone who plays games on ubuntu want to help https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/192151
[15:51] <ali1234> site uses flash and java, therefore it will work about as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere else. which is to say, not very well, but there you go.
[15:52] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/108132/getting-pogo-games-to-work
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> yup - i've just tested it with xubuntu - you may want to download chrome browser when you get ubuntu set up
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> (quite easy in the software center
[15:53] <b1ackcr0w> but yeah - it seems to work fine
[15:59] <bigcalm> I am confused
[15:59] <bigcalm> Websites seem to say that ICS is out for UK Xoom users now. But I'm not seeing an update yet
[16:00] <AlanBell> bigcalm: is that a samsung?
[16:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: is your Xoom offering an update?
[16:00] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Motorola
[16:00] <AlanBell> ok, on the samsungs you have to install some windows sync thing to get it, they are not doing the over the air upgrade yet
[16:01] <davmor2> bigcalm nope
[16:01] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Yeah, when I saw the tweets I was miffed for Samsung owners :(
[16:01] <davmor2> where is the page that says it's available and is it over the air or not
[16:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: ^
[16:01] <bigcalm> It's OTA for wifi devices
[16:02] <bigcalm> http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/google-rolls-out-ics-4-0-4-firmware-update
[16:02] <bigcalm> Is one such page
[16:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.motorola.com/Support/GB-EN/Consumer-Support/TABLETS/MOTOROLA-XOOM-with-Wi-Fi-GB-EN only list 3.1 and 3.2
[16:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: when is double steak week?
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> always?
[16:15] <gord> steeeeeeeeeeeeakk
[16:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: 19th pre release party/happy hour
[16:15] <davmor2> gord: ^
[16:15] <bigcalm> gord: will you stick around for it?
[16:15] <gord> hum?
[16:15] <AlanBell> davmor2: what was the venue again?
[16:15] <bigcalm> The Moon Under Water
[16:16] <bigcalm> Weatherspoons
[16:16] <bigcalm> Wolverhampton
[16:16] <davmor2> AlanBell: can'[t accuse us of not raising the tone :)
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> Earth
[16:16] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: stopped myself from going that far
[16:17] <gord> hum, don't think so chaps
[16:17] <davmor2> did everyone see this yet http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2012/03/23/an-ultradeep-image-thats-full-galaxies/
[16:17] <bigcalm> gord: Thursday 19th is a workplace day. We're going to go to the gastropub we hold the LUG meets in afterwards for the party/happy hour
[16:18] <awilkins> Steak!?
[16:18] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1656/detail/
[16:18] <bigcalm> They do serve a very very nice steak
[16:18] <awilkins> Hmm. A little far to go.
[16:18] <davmor2> gord: how come dude, the pub has the cloud free wifi and everything ;)
[16:18] <davmor2> awilkins: wuss
[16:18] <gord> 18th is birthday, already got plans on the thursday sorry :)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Erm, I'm the event contact? ;)
[16:19] <bigcalm> Heh, fair enough
[16:19] <bigcalm> gord: aww, growing old is so much fun!
[16:19]  * awilkins is reminded to check what MadLab are doing on Saturday since he has to entertain his 7 yr old
[16:19] <davmor2> gord: that's no excuse I'm sure it isn't ;)
[16:20] <gordonjcp> I read that as Matlab the first time, I thought "that's not much fun for a 7-year-old..."
[16:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: davmor2 wasn't on the list of available contacts :)
[16:20] <awilkins> She likes Khan Academy though
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> KHAAAAAN
[16:21] <awilkins> MadLab is an Arduino course on Saturday, a bit expensive and advanced for her
[16:21] <davmor2> AlanBell: why would I need contacting :P
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: sixtysymbols, periodicvideos, etc.?
[16:22]  * awilkins watches phosphorus
[16:22] <ali1234> cd .cache
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: BZZT
[16:22] <ali1234> stupid unity
[16:23] <AlanBell> davmor2: just log in to the loco directory I think
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: the "mini maker show" from makezine?
[16:24] <OmNomDePlume> MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend.
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> hmm?
[16:25] <OmNomDePlume> How goes in Dutchovia?
[16:25] <bigcalm> AlanBell: the pin in the map isn't actually near the venue :)
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> all is good in the Nether Lands
[16:26] <bigcalm> AlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-moon-under-water-wolverhampton
[16:26]  * awilkins bookmarks enthusiastically
[16:26] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yeah, it does that, I will look up the right location later, you are lucky it isn't in kazakstan
[16:26] <bigcalm> HAha
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: got enough links? :)
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> The Nether Regions
[16:27] <awilkins> The only bad think about that mini maker show is that she will start to emulate the hideous American accent
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: well yes there's that
[16:27] <OmNomDePlume> When's the next #ubuntu UK meet?
[16:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: this is going to be a very long day for me. You get to go home after work before returning for the pub
[16:28] <awilkins> For some reason Flash is playing videos in blue
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> it's in its blue period
[16:28] <bigcalm> awilkins: blue movies?
[16:29] <awilkins> The colour balance is off
[16:29] <awilkins> It's like the red channel is supressed or something
[16:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I'm going straight to the pub too,  my plan is we head straight there scoff everyone else turns up at around 19:00 everyone goes home when they want to
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: ask gord about bugs in unity :)
[16:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: ah, fair enough
[16:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: any idea who else might turn up?
[16:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: no idea what so ever
[16:30] <bigcalm> Once the loco event has been fleshed out, it'll need tweeting and sending to the LUG list
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone in the market for a new smartphone and likes Olympic football: http://www.mobilechoiceuk.com/News/Free+Olympic+tickets+from+Samsung/6727
[16:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: I already fb g+ and tweeted it why wait the general details are there
[16:33] <bigcalm> Fluffy muff
[16:34] <bigcalm> Yay, Hayley be home!
[16:35]  * davmor2 wonders if a can program Hayley to respond to that with a swift clip around the earhole
[16:43] <bigcalm> davmor2: eh?
[16:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: so you say: "Yay, Hayley be home!" and Hayley clips your ear for you :)
[16:46] <bigcalm> Aww :(
[16:46] <bigcalm> Why would you want that?
[16:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: who is croftyboy?
[16:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: for that bitter sweet feel Yay shes home, ow that hurt
[16:49] <bigcalm> davmor2: you're odd :P
[16:50] <davmor2> bigcalm: Mark Croft, lives in Rdditch used to come to Lug meetings when he could but hasn't been for a while
[16:50] <bigcalm> Fluffy muff
[16:50] <awilkins> Blue faces problem seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/967091
[16:51] <awilkins> red and blue channels seem to be swapped
[16:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: fluffy really doesn't work there it should be furry like in this picture http://www.saaridesign.com/cart/image.php?type=P&id=52
[16:53] <awilkins> Love the bug description in the Adobe bug tracker "[Platform_Linux]White people are turned into smurfs on youtube" https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3109467
[16:53] <bigcalm> davmor2: I used to say furry, but would mix it up with fury. Safer to say fluffy
[16:53] <bigcalm> awilkins: haha
[16:55] <awilkins> "Hi swbfan, thanks for your support Adobe Flash and report this issue. But we do not support Linux anymore post 11.2"
[16:56] <gord> heh spotify really shouldn't make the claim "access to pretty much all the worlds recorded music"
[16:56] <gord> not even close
[16:57] <awilkins> Enabling HW accelerated video fixes it. Hooray.
[16:59] <brobostigon> pub night?
[17:00] <brobostigon> just a minute, bbc2, :)
[17:00] <davmor2> gord: do they have Stan Ridgeway Camouflage
[17:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/18/2715572/ice-cream-sandwich-ota-update-motorola-xoom-wifi says rolling out tonight
[17:18] <bigcalm> \o/
[17:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: "All 10 owners will be very pleased no doubt" - did the Xoom not sell well?
[17:26] <directhex> bigcalm: no android tablet has, other than kindle fire
[17:26] <directhex> iirc the #2 tablet is still hp touchpad
[17:27] <bigcalm> Goodness
[17:27] <directhex> maybe fire is now #2
[17:27] <bigcalm> And the UK still hasn't got the Kindle Fire
[17:27] <directhex> ipad is #1 obviously
[17:27] <penguin42> bigcalm: Yeh they're nice hardware
[17:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: initially it did don't know once the rest started rolling out
[17:53] <bigcalm> Must stop myself from repeatedly checking for updates on the Xoom :S
[18:57] <kitsos> [Q]Hello everybody.Can i install ap server on ubuntu?
[18:57] <AlanBell> kitsos: can you be more specific?
[18:59] <kitsos> Sure.I was making a website with a friend (on windows XP) and i ask him the name of the server (i am begginer) and he told me ap server!on localhost
[19:00] <AlanBell> hmm
[19:00] <AlanBell> let me take a wild guess that you mean a LAMP server
[19:00] <AlanBell> which is Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP
[19:00] <AlanBell> !lamp
[19:00] <AlanBell> and the answer is yes, you can
[19:01] <kitsos> i have install right now on my system (ubuntu 11.10)apache2,php5,mysql.
[19:20] <ali1234> the beta 2 installer CD has one of those welcome pages about rhythmbox, and the screenshot is banshee
[19:22] <directhex> :D
[19:23] <ali1234> it's a really nice screenshot too
[19:23] <ali1234> showing the album browser, the one that rhythmbox doesn't have
[19:27] <ali1234> which package is responsible for putting that ubuntu one installer on the launcher on a fresh install?
[19:29] <ali1234> found it, ubuntuone-installer
[19:29] <kitsos> well do you guys any good tutorial for javascript?
[19:29] <kitsos> Do you have **
[19:33] <reaper4334> kitsos: Your best bet would be to search on Google, and have a look at a few of the results, rather than just one tutorial :)
[19:34] <kitsos> Thanks for your advise
[19:38] <zleap> kitsos, i think codeacademy was teaching java
[19:40] <kitsos> w3schools?
[19:40] <ali1234> bug 969533
[19:41] <ali1234> bug 969538
[19:41] <reaper4334> kitsos: Yeah,  w3schools is pretty popular
[19:42] <ali1234> w3schools is a good reference but i don't think they have much tutorial type content
[19:42] <ali1234> maybe i just missed it
[19:51]  * AlanBell is now authorized to travel to the United States \o/
[19:52] <AlanBell> I paid my $14 to prove I am a worthy person
[19:53] <gord> hrm forgot about that... maybe i can extend my previous esta and not have to pay
[19:53] <popey> ooh, how do you check if you have esta?
[19:53] <AlanBell> my one lasts to 2014 now
[19:53] <AlanBell> https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta/
[19:54] <AlanBell> fill in the form on the right if you can
[20:01] <popey> does it tell you if you already have it?
[20:09] <popey> "Authorization Approved
[20:09] <popey> \o/
[20:19] <dogmatic69> any know what is the default email program in 10.10
[20:20] <DJones> I think its evolution
[20:21] <dogmatic69> that is it
[20:21] <DJones> Pretty sure its been that way for quite a few releases
[20:22] <ali1234> not any more though
[20:22] <dogmatic69> ye, thunderbird seems to be the default
[20:22] <DJones> ali1234: What is it in 12.04
[20:22] <dogmatic69> ^
[20:22] <ali1234> yeah
[20:22] <ali1234> oneiric too i think
[20:23] <dogmatic69> DJones: I'm running 12.04 :)
[20:23] <dogmatic69> <3
[20:23] <DJones> I had to install thunderbird in oneric
[20:30] <dogmatic69> anyone know where evolution is hiding the files in 12? not ~/.evolution it seems
[20:32] <popey> probably ~/.cache/evolution
[20:33] <ali1234> hey looks like my u1 is working now
[20:35] <DJones> ali1234: What have you done? Broken it for everybody else?
[20:35] <ali1234> no i just did a fresh install
[20:35] <deerhunter> hey guys, is this the place to get some help with 11.10
[20:36] <popey> yeah, gwan
[20:36] <DJones> We'll try, if we can't help, you may get pointed to #ubuntu which is the main supprt channel, ask your question anyway
[20:37] <dogmatic69> popey: thanks. There is some there, but not all of it :/
[20:38] <deerhunter> ok, im running 11.10, and it wont recognise my intergrated graphics card...
[20:38] <popey> what makes you say that deerhunter ?
[20:40] <deerhunter> you tube, facebook games are so laggy, basicly everything that requires graphics card. im a bit of a noob, but if someone can give terminal codes to fix this
[20:41] <popey> deerhunter: what hardware do you have?
[20:41] <popey> laptop/desktop? make/model? Do you know what video card it has?
[20:42] <deerhunter> dell inspiron 1300, unsure of card, is there a way i can find out
[20:42] <popey> i'll google
[20:43] <popey> deerhunter: you at the machine right now?
[20:44] <deerhunter> yeah, i have terminal open
[20:44] <popey> ok, do sudo lshw -C video | grep product
[20:45] <AlanBell> I have a Dell Inspiron 1300 (or my son does)
[20:45] <popey> and let us know what the product is
[20:46] <deerhunter> what do you mean product
[20:47] <deerhunter> product: Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller
[20:47] <deerhunter> sorry im a bit of a noob
[20:48]  * AlanBell boots up the laptop
[20:48] <AlanBell> it is an intel card and the drivers are as good as they are going to get
[20:49] <AlanBell> I stuck 2GB of ram in it and it goes OK
[20:49] <deerhunter> so i cant fix it,
[20:50] <deerhunter> mine has 2GB of ram
[20:50] <AlanBell> I am running 11.10 on this one it is doing unity 3d
[20:51] <deerhunter> whats that
[20:51] <AlanBell> the unity desktop has the launcher down the left and the dash that pops out
[20:52] <AlanBell> there are two variants, 3d and 2d
[20:52] <AlanBell> if you have a default install of 11.10 you are probably running the same stuff
[20:53] <deerhunter> i also have that, the laptop runs like a dream apart from the graphics side of things
[20:53] <AlanBell> maybe try installing chromium-browser that is a bit faster than firefox
[20:53] <popey> same flash plugin tho
[20:53] <ali1234> actually it might not be
[20:53] <popey> so flash games will still be slow
[20:53] <ali1234> chrome uses it's own
[20:53] <popey> well, not dramatically better
[20:53] <popey> same as in "still shit"
[20:53] <ali1234> oh sure, it won't be better
[20:53] <deerhunter> lol, i done that, but its the same
[20:54] <AlanBell> scrolling about in facebook will be a bit quicker in chromium
[20:54] <popey> true
[20:54] <ali1234> btw, anyone else got youtube videos all the wrong colours?
[20:54] <popey> moving a bitmap about
[20:54] <AlanBell> it runs like a single core 1.5ghz celeron :)
[20:54] <deerhunter> celeron M
[20:54] <AlanBell> yup
[20:54] <popey> AlanBell: just highlighted you on G+
[20:54] <popey> see his pic
[20:54] <deerhunter> me to
[20:55] <deerhunter> so has anyone any ideas
[20:55] <AlanBell> tab quicklists!
[20:56] <AlanBell> deerhunter: facebook games are generally not using the accellerated graphics anyhow
[20:56] <AlanBell> they are just flash and/or javascript I think
[20:57] <ali1234> flash uses loads of acceleration when it is available
[20:57] <ali1234> actually, javascript/browser stuff does too these days
[20:57] <AlanBell> webgl maybe
[20:57] <ali1234> no, anythng
[20:57] <deerhunter> is there anything i can do
[20:57] <AlanBell> and flash uses hardware codecs
[20:57] <ali1234> and opengl
[20:58] <deerhunter> where is it
[21:00] <AlanBell> lets compare speeds deerhunter
[21:00] <deerhunter> how can i check speeds
[21:00] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[21:01] <AlanBell> oh, maybe not, that is capped at 60 frames per second now
[21:02] <AlanBell> um, can anyone think of a simple graphical benchmark we can both run?
[21:02] <deerhunter> im not that advanced. lol
[21:02] <AlanBell> or how to run glxgears unsynced from the refresh rate?
[21:07] <AlanBell> deerhunter: ok, we can do a comparison
[21:07] <AlanBell> if you do sudo apt-get install mesa-utils
[21:07] <AlanBell> then run glxgears
[21:07] <AlanBell> then maximise the window with the gears in for a minute or two then close it
[21:08] <AlanBell> you should have in your terminal window something like . . .
[21:09] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/907854
[21:09] <popey> glxgears is not a benchmark
[21:09] <AlanBell> yeah, I know
[21:09] <AlanBell> but if you get 30 frames per second and I get 30 frames per second then the graphics performance is broadly similar
[21:17] <DJones> AlanBell: I was getting ~ 60 FPS with an onboard intel HD graphics
[21:17] <AlanBell> yeah, it will max out at your framerate now
[21:17] <AlanBell> compiz forces it to sync to vblank
[21:18] <AlanBell> on my laptop I can't get it to budge from 60fps, but on Kierans at fullscreen it drops to 30
[21:19] <DJones> This is a laptop as well
[21:19] <DJones> running in a window
[21:19] <AlanBell> which again probably isn't very benchmarkish because it just means it can manage to meet the deadline every second vblank
[21:19] <AlanBell> DJones: is it an elderly celeron?
[21:20] <DJones> AlanBell: i3
[21:20] <DJones> 12 months old
[21:21] <AlanBell> same as my main laptop then
[21:21] <DJones> Maybe this of some use http://happylinuxthoughts.blogspot.co.uk/2007/11/benchmark-your-system-in-ubuntu.html
[21:22] <DJones> Suggest using nexuiz as a benchmark :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> I am just doing an update on it and I will give that a go
[21:23] <AlanBell> I think I might have installed nexuiz on it already
[21:23] <DJones> I'm doing the same
[21:24] <AlanBell> it has just installed new intel graphics drivers so it will be interesting to see if that changes the performance (probably won't)
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPr5RBegxpY
[21:30] <ali1234> AlanBell: the beta 2 release notes specifically says orca doesn't work :/
[21:31] <ali1234> why does orca speech sound so weeeeird?
[21:31] <AlanBell> orca does work, unity3d doesn't
[21:32] <ali1234> "psh booooot-en"
[21:32] <AlanBell> it is using espeak which is a very lightweight mechanical speech synthesis engine that will do loads of languages
[21:32] <AlanBell> yeah, it sounds pretty bad
[21:32] <AlanBell> but it fits on the CD
[21:32] <ali1234> fair doos
[21:32] <AlanBell> and supports all the languages
[21:34] <AlanBell> there are much better synthesisers that speech dispatcher can drive
[21:34] <ali1234> "dot dot dot"
[21:35] <AlanBell> this is why I want people to test their applications with orca :)
[21:36] <AlanBell> it reads a lot of garbage out
[21:36] <ali1234> you're cheating by knowing what the menus look like and how they are layed out
[21:36] <AlanBell> yes I am
[21:36] <AlanBell> it isn't very discoverable
[21:37] <ali1234> "escape escape"
[21:39] <AlanBell> yeah, loads of broken stuff in the indicator menus
[21:39] <ali1234> i think by this point i would have given up and done something more productive
[21:39] <AlanBell> things that are silent, lables that are wrong
[21:39] <DJones> Bloody hell, couldn't find a way to quit nexuiz, ended up having to restart to quit the game
[21:39] <AlanBell> places you can get stuck
[21:40] <AlanBell> I am going to go through the installer this time
[21:42] <ali1234> what it says "backspace" i thought it was saying something really rude
[21:54] <ali1234> "paste" and "create new" menu options ghosted in nautilus, even though i have access to the folder...
[21:54] <ali1234> and clicking them still works
[21:54] <ali1234> craaaaaazy
[22:00] <dogmatic69> I don't know if its because of the clean install, SSD, or 12.04 but things open quick. LibreOffice Writer literally takes a few ms to completely open and be ready to work
[22:02] <ali1234> bug 969642
[22:32] <gord> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3OTY neat-o
[22:42] <dwatkins> I'm quite surprised at that, gord - it's good, but considering Linux' desktop market share, I didn't expect Steam support for a while.
[22:42] <gord> valve are a distribution company, they want as many fingers in as many pies as possible
[22:43] <gord> even small market shares add up to quite some pennies over time
[22:45] <dwatkins> This is true, and it should also encourage Linux usage, which will increase the market. This will give them an edge over whatever competition they still have (I guess EA).
[23:15] <dogmatic69> Im not managing to get my mail converted to 12 :/
[23:16] <dogmatic69> its picking up the folders and mails, just not the accounts
[23:16] <dogmatic69> been trying with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MigrateEvolutionToNewComputer
[23:30] <dwatkins> 12, dogmatic69?
[23:30] <dogmatic69> 12.04
[23:31] <dwatkins> ah I see
[23:31] <dogmatic69> the structure is different
[23:31] <dogmatic69> 10.10 had ~/.evolution 12.04 not
[23:32] <dwatkins> I assume it's not a permissions problem
[23:32] <dogmatic69> no
[23:32] <dogmatic69> it seems to just be a difference in structure problem
[23:33] <dogmatic69> Ive been copying files all over trying various things. best I got was all the correct personal folders and emails. but no accounts.
[23:33] <dwatkins> If you setup accounts from scratch, where does it store the information?
[23:34] <dogmatic69> never been able to get the accounts. once it even popped up saying this is the old structure, do you want to update
[23:34] <dogmatic69> hm, created a dummy account but cant seem to find it
[23:37] <Azelphur> I'm trying to find something decent to do text to speech with, somehow.
[23:37] <dogmatic69> only thing I could think of is to make ~/ a git repo, then add a account and go git diff
[23:37] <Azelphur> I'm not at all fond of the festival voices
[23:37] <ali1234> Azelphur: just read it out yourself?
[23:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, that violates the point :P
[23:38] <Azelphur> but yea, does anyone know something high quality (Web API, Wine?)
[23:38] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: flite?
[23:38] <gordonjcp> Wine isn't a speech synth...
[23:39] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: obviously I meant that there may be windows-only synths that are better and run under wine
[23:39] <Azelphur> and...you just suggested festival lite...
[23:40] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I know there are speech synths for windows, but I've never found them to be in any way intelligibile
[23:40] <gordonjcp> *intelligible
[23:40] <Azelphur> :(
[23:40] <Azelphur> I mean, there are ones on the web with demos and stuff that are just so far ahead compared to festival
[23:40] <gordonjcp> my ex used to use some Kurzweil thing because she is ridiculously dyslexic
[23:41] <ali1234> microsoft bob?
[23:41] <Azelphur> I'm trying to make a talking clock :p
[23:41] <ali1234> that's easy
[23:41] <gordonjcp> it cost about six grand and sounded like Stephen Hawking getting the shit kicked out of him in a washing machine full of ducks
[23:41] <ali1234> just record all the possible times
[23:41] <Azelphur> ali1234: a talking web 2.0 clock that pulls news feeds ands tuff.
[23:41] <ali1234> put them in a rom
[23:41] <Azelphur> lol
[23:41] <ali1234> problem solved
[23:41] <gordonjcp> not even that, just record the numbers that you can put together
[23:42] <ali1234> yeah, that's what i meant
[23:42] <gordonjcp> flite can't rap -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/spd-pe.ogg
[23:42] <Azelphur> you want me to record every single possibility that could ever come up on a news feed?
[23:42] <Azelphur> got an unlimited supply of monkeys?
[23:42] <ali1234> that's not a clock then it is?
[23:42] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: hehe
[23:42] <ali1234> you could put that job on mechanical turk
[23:42] <ali1234> "read out this webpage"
[23:42] <ali1234> then just play the result
[23:42] <Azelphur> >.<
[23:43] <Azelphur> terrible suggestions are terrible
[23:43] <ali1234> have you ever heard of this thing called a radio?
[23:43] <ali1234> you can tune in to 5 live and get the news... and they tell you the time every 10 minutes as well
[23:43] <Azelphur> dig a hole of terrible suggestions, dig deeper still
[23:43] <Azelphur> :p
[23:44] <gordonjcp> festival can sing -> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/mp3s/robots.mp3
[23:44] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: done the git thing, does not make much sense. http://bin.cakephp.org/view/2131877590
[23:44] <Azelphur> If you look at like http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html for example, select UK Peter, that's the kinda quality I'm thinking
[23:44] <ali1234> vocaloid is pretty good. if you want singing.
[23:44] <Azelphur> *stab* I don't want singing
[23:45] <Azelphur> I just want some text to speech that sounds better than my Amiga did in 1996
[23:45] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: that's about the state of the art, unfortunately
[23:45] <gordonjcp> unless you want to go to ridiculous lengths
[23:46] <ali1234> i don't know if this is true, but i read that the amiga voice synth was developed in minnesota
[23:46] <ali1234> which is why it sounds so robotic
[23:46] <dogmatic69> I have even installed a sql lite thing and none of the db's have the account in
[23:46] <ali1234> everyone in minnesota sounds like that
[23:46] <Azelphur> in fact...watching a video on youtube, the Amiga voice synth is actually quite superior to festival o.O
[23:48] <Azelphur> so besides terrible suggestions that arn't the answer to the question, anyone got any ideas?
[23:49] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: a) use festival, b) buy very very expensive software, c) roll your own
[23:49] <Azelphur> \o/
[23:49] <shauno> get an amiga and a serial cable :)
[23:51] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtZ_CRo6E8
[23:51] <ali1234> (ignore stupid video)


[01:55] <rohan> hi, any kde packagers hang out here?
[01:57] <Beldar> rohan, #kde might or the other 50 hits I get when I look at associated channels. ;)
[01:57] <rohan> Beldar: i meant people who package KDE for ubuntu :)
[01:58] <Beldar> there is a ubuntu-dev channel not sure of the access
[02:00] <Beldar> #ubuntu-devel*
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:42] <SuperLag> Seriously? No new images have been cut yet?
[11:42] <SuperLag> That blows my mind.
[11:43] <SuperLag> I have a script that downloads the zsync file and grabs the new daily for 32/64/server64.
[11:44] <SuperLag> And since I got that image that results in a regularly crashing desktop... no change. My bug was even closed as a duplicate of a bug that I cannot even pull up. :(
[11:46] <SuperLag> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1152656 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1152656
[11:50] <BluesKaj> feature freeze should be over today, but beta1 freeze begins
[11:53] <SuperLag> Yeah, well... I sure hope they address that. :)
[11:53] <SuperLag> I just booted up the VM again, did an update. The issue is still present.
[11:53] <SuperLag> Glaringly so, too. :)
[11:55] <SuperLag> I'm glad I set it up in a VM, and not on bare iron. :)
[11:56] <BluesKaj> the W7 resolution options were mucked up in VB guest OS as well , it's a mess
[11:56] <SuperLag> W7?
[11:56] <SuperLag> oh....
[11:56] <SuperLag> windows 7?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> maybe running VMs on a dev OS isn't a good idea
[11:57] <SuperLag> When people mention vbox, I run the other way. I left that behind a LONG time ago.
[11:57] <SuperLag> way too flaky
[11:58] <BluesKaj> VMware?
[11:58] <SuperLag> that's what I use now, yeah
[11:58] <SuperLag> it helps that it's what we use in production here, too (at work)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> the player or the enterprise edition>
[11:58] <SuperLag> so if I make something locally, on my laptop, it'll seamlessly transfer over to the ESX instances
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ok, work machine ...home user here
[11:59] <SuperLag> I have Workstation 10 on my laptop and desktop.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ok
[11:59] <SuperLag> Of course, it's not perfect either. I just got better mileage out of VMware, than other options.
[12:00] <SuperLag> Tried KVM even... and it still feels very half-baked
[12:00] <SuperLag> Does it work? Yes.
[12:00] <BluesKaj> and you run linux guest OSs ?
[12:00] <SuperLag> mostly
[12:00] <SuperLag> and Solaris, and Windows
[12:01] <SuperLag> we use Solaris for the back end of our software products
[12:01] <SuperLag> we're moving to Linux
[12:01] <SuperLag> \o/
[12:02] <BluesKaj> tried kvm , could make a virtual partition large enough to install W7 , even with virt-manager
[12:02] <BluesKaj> moving to linux ..good to hear
[12:02] <SuperLag> yeah, KVM works... but tools to work with it. UGH.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> could not make rather
[12:02] <SuperLag> So so so frustrating.
[12:03] <SuperLag> that, and even rudimentary graphics were crappy looking
[12:03] <SuperLag> definitely for the server space
[12:04] <BluesKaj> no kidding, I just chatted with someone who was raving about kvm
[12:04] <SuperLag> Oh yeah. Moving to Linux. Since I learned Linux *first*, Solaris is so painful to use.  It was Sun's flavor. Now it belongs to Oracle.
[12:06] <SuperLag> but no GNU tools, but default... and stuff you're used to having 50 different options (like "grep", for example) will have 15 in Solaris.
[12:07] <SuperLag> s/but default/by default
[12:07] <SuperLag> if you learn Solaris FIRST, then go to Linux... no problem
[12:07] <SuperLag> if you do it the other way around, like I've done... UGH.
[12:08] <SuperLag> Here's my nod to the "topic police"... some of the new/rumored features in 14.04, very nice, and interesting.
[12:09] <SuperLag> I see you can go lower than 32pts for the launcher icons.
[12:09] <SuperLag> at least in the current daily
[12:10] <SuperLag> I read something about the menus being shown on the windows top bar, instead of the menu bar?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> still getting artifacts in menubars and desktop wall papers here
[12:14] <BluesKaj> makes no diff whether the graphics use any OpenGL choices or native or raster Qt
[12:15] <BluesKaj> could be the theme
[12:16] <BluesKaj> but just an intel gpu on this laptop, nothing fancy
[12:18] <SuperLag> Mine might be fancy, I don't know. My laptop is a powerhouse though. :)
[12:18] <SuperLag> its hostname is "beast"
[12:19] <SuperLag> ThinkPad W530. 3 SSDs for 2.1TB of space, and 32GB of RAM. Nvidia K1000M video with 2GB VRAM.
[12:20] <SuperLag> I have a similar desktop at work, but only 1 SSD in it.
[12:20] <BluesKaj> nice !
[12:21] <SuperLag> I got the nice hardware by doing a demo at work, for the sales engineer folks. The way they were doing product demos was really stupid, and taking a very long time to coordinate.
[12:21] <SuperLag> we were shipping 4-6 Sun servers to $PROSPECTIVE_CUSTOMER
[12:22] <SuperLag> and waiting for said $PROSPECTIVE_CUSTOMER to have their IT dept rack and stack everything
[12:22] <SuperLag> I went into a meeting, and told them the way they were doing it was very very silly.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I can imagine their responses :)
[12:23] <SuperLag> they were mad at me, since I'm the new guy, and it was my first time there... I said you can model the entire environment on one machine, with virtualization.
[12:23] <SuperLag> they didn't believe me
[12:23] <SuperLag> I said, get me this laptop with these specs, and I'll come back in a couple weeks and do a demo
[12:24] <SuperLag> I did. Sales Engineers loved it. Now they carry around similar laptops, and travel to the customer site and do demos on the spot.
[12:24] <bekks> SuperLag: So you virtualized Solaris x86 then? :)
[12:25] <SuperLag> x64
[12:25] <SuperLag> but yes
[12:25] <bekks> which can be considered crap in most of the cases :D
[12:25] <SuperLag> agreed
[12:25] <bekks> Thats why people by sparch hardware, actually.
[12:25] <bekks> And yes, you can virtualize on recent sparc hardware, too.
[12:26] <SuperLag> yeah, but for the purposes of a demo... you don't need the big iron like that, for demos.
[12:26] <bekks> For a demo its pretty ok :)
[12:26] <SuperLag> You can demo full functionality on a smaller scale.
[12:27] <SuperLag> I even suggested using this kind of setup for smaller customers, because we almost ignore all the smaller players
[12:27] <SuperLag> I work in the cable industry (think Comcast, Time Warner, Cablevision, UPC)
[12:28] <SuperLag> My employer makes carrier-grade equipment as well as CPEs (cable modems, set-top boxes, MTAs) for cable MSOs, and the hardware is definitely our bread and butter.
[12:29] <SuperLag> But I work on the software side of the business.
[12:29] <SuperLag> we focus on the larger cable providers, for sure
[12:30] <SuperLag> I said we could offer our app as an analytics service for smaller cable providers
[12:30] <bekks> I suggest using one decent sparc server and use domains and zones.
[12:30] <SuperLag> we use zones in production. sparc is dead.
[12:31] <SuperLag> there are definitely customers that still have it, and we support the legacy stuff, but 100% of ongoing dev efforts are x86-only
[12:31] <SuperLag> That, and Solaris is slowly being phased out. We're moving to Linux.
[12:32] <SuperLag> Oh yeah... and we're moving off of Oracle for the DB, and going to Hadoop. it's going to be very very interesting.
[12:33] <bekks> Well, if you take a look at the release cycles of Oraclee software, and in the server specs of current models, you will see that Solaris x86/x64 is dead basically.
[12:33] <bekks> And the sparc servers keep evolving.
[12:33] <SuperLag> Solaris is dying, if you ask me.
[12:34] <SuperLag> I'd love to give it the Old Yeller treatment.
[12:35] <bekks> It will not die until it still outperforms any other architecture for db performance.
[12:36] <SuperLag> Yes, but have you every heard the phrase "the perfect is the enemy of the good"?
[12:36] <SuperLag> s/every/ever
[12:36] <bekks> Yes, and I considere it being FUD of those who say that. :)
[12:37] <SuperLag> Consider it however you'd like.
[12:37] <ikonia> not quite sure how this sits in 14.04 development discussion
[12:37] <ikonia> maybe #ubuntu-offtopic for this chat ?
[12:37] <SuperLag> Some customers are tired of paying the Oracle tax.
[12:41] <BluesKaj> i inquired about a IPv6 capable router/modem from my ISP a few days ago and when they asked about my OS they relied that my existing 2Wire router/modem doesn't support linux .I told the rep that I've been running linux on their modems since 2002 ...he was really surprised and curious. Told him to research Linux and browse irc/freenode for advice. Was an interesting conversation, but I still din't get an answer to my question
[12:41] <BluesKaj> some support that was
[13:24] <BluesKaj> sorry , din't mean tom kill the chat :)
[13:35] <sgo11> hi, if I install trusty iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/, what should I do when trusty officially released? do I simply run "apt-get upgrade" to update to official release? or do I need to do anything special? maybe "do-release-upgrade"? thanks.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> sgo11, simply update/upgrade and dist-upgrade, that should suffice because you are already upgraded to the latest release.
[13:40] <sgo11> BluesKaj, thanks. just got a new laptop. since trusty will be released within 2 months, I think it's better install trusty daily build instead of saucy 13.10.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> sgo11, that's what I did with this new laptop too:)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> goodbye W8.1
[13:43] <sgo11> BluesKaj, ^_^ cheers.
[17:03] <robertzaccour> I just read that Ubuntu will no longer have the global menu, which sucks.
[17:04] <robertzaccour> Please tell me it will continue to have the maximized window button panel integration.
[17:05] <johnjohn101> choice between global menu or title bar menu
[17:05] <johnjohn101> global menu isn't going way
[17:11] <robertzaccour> Oh ok cool johnjohn101 :) I read differently.
[17:11] <robertzaccour> johnjohn101: I just read it's switching to app window menu.
[17:11] <robertzaccour> So the maximized window button panel integration is staying too, right?
[17:11] <k1l_> robertzaccour: nope.
[17:12] <robertzaccour> I couldn't find intellihide in the panel of any DE and that window button integration IMO is even better than intellihide.
[17:12] <k1l_> everything stays the same. just apps can get a menue in the own windows bar to reduce mouse-ways in really big screens. like the 4k stuff
[17:12] <robertzaccour> I'm considering upgrading to Mir and Unity 8 soon. If I upgrade to the daily build that is.
[17:13] <k1l_> well, dont expect too much from mir and unity8 on a desktop
[17:13] <robertzaccour> why not?
[17:13] <robertzaccour> It's been in development for so long, it has to be good.
[17:13] <robertzaccour> But that's what they said about Duke Nuke Forever
[17:14] <k1l_> its not really developed so far. the focus is mobile and tablets for now. 14.04 will still have the x-server and unity7 as standard
[17:14] <robertzaccour> Then over a decade later it got nicknamed things like Duke Nukem taking Forever, or Duke Nukem Never Ever.
[17:14] <robertzaccour> Maybe I'll wait til it's more stable.
[17:16] <k1l_> you can go and install it on 14.04. but as i said: dont expect too much
[17:19] <robertzaccour> johnjohn101: It says here the global menu has been replaced, it doesn't say still optional :( http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-unity-to-bring-back-local-menus-7000026821/
[17:21] <johnjohn101> robertzaccour: the is an option in settings in the daily.
[17:21] <robertzaccour> Oh ok cool johnjohn101 :)
[17:21] <robertzaccour> thanks
[17:22] <johnjohn101> 14.04 is going to be a nice solid stable release
[17:24] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, we can only hope, It's a bit unstable atm
[17:25] <johnjohn101> BluesKaj:  it is? i am using it at work on a vm but not since i updated yesterday.  oh well. two more months!!
[17:31] <BluesKaj> johnjohn101, depends on your graphics capabilities and theme settings
[17:47] <johnjohn101> BluesKaj: i hope it all gets worked out.  and then hope 3.14 kernel goes in as well
[17:49] <Meerkat> include mystery patchset? wtf?
[17:50] <Meerkat> what kind of an open source project are you running here?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> Meerkat, ??
[18:03] <Meerkat> BluesKaj, ubuntu trusty changes mailinglist. "* Include mystery patchset from **** which adds support for little-endian PPC64."
[18:03] <Meerkat> I find the commit message very odd.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Meerkat, have you asked the devs in #ubuntu-devel ?
[19:12] <pietro10> Is there a preferred way to set up Kubuntu 14.04 as a SMB server? I want to share down to a VM. Thanks.
[23:51] <Kurdistan> hi anyone here that knows if the new icon-theme will make it for 14.04 (upcoming lts)?


[02:44] <_stink_> anyone listen to http://am1610.org/ ?
[02:57] <cscheib> jrwren: ever try Crazy Fresh coffee?  apparently made in MI, they had it at Costco.  I wasn't a fan of the blend/roast I got. Not sure if I ever want ot try anything of theirs again
[02:58] <jrwren> if it was the same one that my costco had recnetly, then yes. I also did not like.
[02:59] <jrwren> organic?
[02:59] <jrwren> a light roast?
[02:59] <cscheib> I can't remember, I think so (seems most coffee is organic anyway)
[02:59] <cscheib> lemme grab the bag
[03:00] <cscheib> Full City roast
[03:00] <jrwren> i prefer dark roasts, so I know thiw as light by taste.
[03:00] <jrwren> very earthy
[03:00] <cscheib> Honduran Santa Rosa SHG blend
[03:00] <jrwren> maybe its different.
[03:01] <cscheib> think I'm gonna give it a try again tomorrow, then return it
[03:01] <jrwren> oh that bad?
[03:01] <cscheib> just got Costco membership, so may as well exercise the benefits
[03:01] <jrwren> true!
[03:01] <cscheib> yea - don't know if I over steeped or under-steeped
[03:01] <cscheib> I've tried it with 4 mins and 6 mins in the french press
[03:02] <jrwren> that is plenty.
[03:02] <cscheib> it's probably considerably better when filtered
[03:02] <jrwren> its kinda hard to over steep.
[03:02] <jrwren> I do 10min sometimes
[03:02] <jrwren> you could try cold brew and drip, just to see if you like it
[03:03] <cscheib> pondering getting one of those pour-overs that has the stopper on it
[03:03] <cscheib> haven't tried cold brewing
[03:03] <jrwren> i've had those, brewed by a friend, they can be VERY Good
[03:03] <jrwren> he was using a great local roast though :)
[03:03] <jrwren> my wife likes the cold brew, she does it occasionally
[03:06] <cscheib> I only brew 20oz of coffee a day or so, so taking me a while to experiment with all the variables (temp, time)
[03:07] <cscheib> and volume
[03:08] <jrwren> I'll often drink 1/2 a pot, then make french press :)
[03:08] <cscheib> heh.  I only do FP
[03:09] <cscheib> when my Keurig started dying, I decided I no longer would survive on crappy coffee
[03:09] <jrwren> wife preps the pot on a timer. its ready to drink when we awake. That part is very nice.
[03:09] <jrwren> YAY
[03:09] <jrwren> We started getting this Truck Stop Joe from some roaster in Traverse City. Meijer carries it
[03:10] <jrwren> its not too expensive and we love the taste.
[03:10] <cscheib> I've not seen it at my meijer (i've looked)
[03:11] <jrwren> bummer.
[03:11] <jrwren> i hope mine doesn't drop it.
[03:11] <jrwren> if they do i'll have to see if they ship :)
[03:12] <cscheib> I'm sure they do
[03:17] <cscheib> ah, clever drippers, that's waht I was thinking of
[11:46] <cmaloney> Morning
[11:47] <rick_h_> morning
[11:54] <_stink_> yo
[11:55] <cmaloney> whassup?
[11:57] <_stink_> first order of business: remember what day it is
[11:58] <rick_h_> heh, 'unbury from email day'
[12:05] <cmaloney> I'd love to know why cgproxy gets into a state where it logs "arguments to dbus_message_iter_append_basic() were incorrect, assertion "_dbus_check_is_valid_utf8 (*string_p)" failed in file ../../dbus/dbus-message.c line 2535." ad diskum fillum
[13:42] <cmaloney> unrelated: I really need to upgrade my machine to 14.04 at least.
[13:42] <cmaloney> Still rocking 12.04 on the home machine.
[14:00] <jrwren> wow.
[14:00] <jrwren> how do you live? :]
[14:01] <cmaloney> badly
[14:01] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:07] <jrwren> i was going to list things so much nicer about 14.04 and 15.04, but I couldn't think of any.
[14:08] <jrwren> I think in 15.04, hte kernel is new enough that I finally trust btrfs, so that is cool :)
[15:03] <cmaloney> heh
[15:30] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2015/07/07/open-metalcast-episode-120-live-until-120/
[19:18] <cmaloney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/microbit
[19:18] <cmaloney> Interesting, but no mention of Linux. Then again, Microsoft and Samsung are involved so it's Android and likely Azure.
[19:27] <jrwren> no price?
[19:28] <jrwren> oh.


[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
 @weltimeister, Can anyone help me with this problem? I am using Kubuntu since 7.10 and never experienced this problem.
[10:26] <hateball> no idea if this weltimeister is still here, but explaining what the problem is usually helps
[10:40] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:46] <lordievader> hateball: From earlier.
[10:46] <lordievader> > <weltimeister> Baloo goes crazy. I cannot use 18.04 with Baloo switched on. The whole system freezes after a couple of minutes. … But I need a search function as well. … Am I the only one with this problem?
[11:08] <BluesKaj> lordievader, users complained about akonadi's bugs and now that they are solved access to GUI settings is no longer available. How does that make sense?
[11:08] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Err, what?
[11:09] <BluesKaj> that baloo problem
[11:09] <lordievader> I'm just passing a message.
[11:09] <lordievader> I try to stay away from the Akonadi/Baloo mess.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> yeah i saw it yesterday but the user left before I could get an explanation typed
[11:10] <BluesKaj> it's  always been a messy business it seems'
[11:10] <EvilRoey> hi
[11:10] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: haaaaai
[11:10] <EvilRoey> and lordievader too :)
[11:10] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: btw it /was/ a BTRFS issue
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hi EvilRoey
[11:11] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, yeah, mucking about with exotic FSs is dangerous
[11:11] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: even though 'df' listed enough free space, BTRFS's file layout led to having a lot of free space in allocated chunks.  So there wasn't enough unallocated free space.  Or something like that.
[11:13] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: I'm just going to use the (much, much faster) ext4 from now on, considering how the only reason I had installed to BTRFS was (besides the snapshot ability, which proved unuseful for me as tools supporting it are not mature) that adding new devices into the free-space pool is relatively trivial
[11:13] <BluesKaj> I've heard all kinds of good things about ZFS, but after reading about it i didn't see any benefit for my setup
[11:13] <EvilRoey> aye
[11:13] <EvilRoey> well I mean if I want to add more free space, traditionally I would have to move to a bigger device
[11:14] <EvilRoey> and I'd have to copy all the data from the old device to the new device
[11:14] <BluesKaj> dd can do that
[11:14] <EvilRoey> with BTRFS, you just add a new device into the array, then disable the first device, and let BTRFS figure out what to copy
[11:14] <BluesKaj> yeah sure ;-)
[11:22] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: heh
[11:37] <vespertatia> Compositor crashed again. All title bars disappeared. I can't switch virtual desktops. Is it gonna be like this forever? Or mayber there's a fix?
[11:39] <lordievader> Anything in the logs as to why it crashes?
[11:39] <lordievader> If there is enough information it might be worth it to report a bug.
[12:03] <vespertatia> I really don't know what log should i bring up, my logs are filled with ufw
[12:03] <lordievader> Syslog most likely. Though if it is a driver problem it may also go to dmesg.
[12:07] <vespertatia> QDBusArgument: read from a write-only object
[12:07] <vespertatia> oh it was activated successfully, scrolling...
[12:09] <vespertatia> nope nothing unusual :(
[12:10] <vespertatia> This wasn't happening back in 17.10, tbh i'm planning to revert back to 17.10
[12:10] <vespertatia> Next time this happens i'm gonna keep all logs +-10minutes the moment it happen again
 @BluesKaj, I did not leave. I am connected via Telegram messenger.
 Thank you BluesKaj! I really would like to have a solution to this problem.
 And thanks to lordievader, too.
 I already did explain my problem a couple of days ago. But did not get a solution or proper answer.
 Baloo uses all RAM every time I start 18.04. So the desktop freezes after a few minutes.
 I can disable baloo, but I need a search function.
[12:36] <BluesKaj> weltimeister, which kubuntu version are you running?
[12:41] <BluesKaj>  weltimeister try the #kde-baloo chat as well. They may have better info than we can give
[12:43] <BluesKaj>  weltimeister  also this page may help https://community.kde.org/Baloo
 @BluesKaj, 18.04 … I am using Kubuntu since 7.10 and never experienced this problem.
 @BluesKaj, I only use Telegram messenger. Are the connected too?
 @BluesKaj, I'll check out that help site as well.
 Nobody in here has a similar problem?
[12:52]  * lordievader doesn't use Kubuntu nor Baloo.
 I see. But this is an official Kubuntu support, right?
[12:55] <lordievader> Yes.
[12:56] <lordievader> But you don't have to run Kubuntu in order to hang around here 😉
 Hehe. Right. ^^
[13:02] <jbracker> Hi, I have problem with my microphone in kubuntu. Most of the time (not every time) when I try to use it, it just records garbage that sounds as if the sampling rate of the recording is to fast.
[13:02] <jbracker> I tried 2.5.1 to 2.5.5 of this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Static_noise_in_microphone_recording ; but that did not change anything
[13:03] <jbracker> Can someone help me?
 The curreny Kubuntu version incorporates extra tools for Audio
 Do you know about those
 They're available from the Speaker Icon, using the configuration icon ( top right )
 It enables you to assign applications to audio outputs / inputs
 Perhaps the issues are there
[13:16] <MrObvious> Hey
[13:16] <MrObvious> What's the proper command to install kubuntu on ubuntu
[13:17] <MrObvious> If there is one package that would install the whole kubuntu instead of just kde
[13:18] <CoJaBo> I think it's something like kubuntu-desktop
[13:18] <MrObvious> Let me check
[13:19] <MrObvious> CoJaBo, correct! much appreciated
[13:22] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu
 @BluesKaj, Unfortunately there was nothing on that side that could help. Do you have more suggestions? … Is here anyone who has experienced the same problem? … Does anyone know how to go on with this?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> weltimeister, how old is your pc and how much RAM and other specs?
 @BluesKaj, It is a pretty new tuxedo book, similar to slimbook. I have a i7 processor and 8 GB RAM.
[14:46] <hateball> weltimeister, is this a brand new install or an upgrade? I've had baloo go crazy so I needed to disable and re-enable it to behave
[14:46] <hateball> like if the indexing db goes corrupt or something
[14:47] <hateball> but maybe you already tried a "balooctl disable" reboot and "balooctl enable" ?
 New install.
 I did not.
[14:47] <hateball> is your ~/ also clean? or if it is full of say... source code
 I don't know what that means.
[14:48] <hateball> weltimeister then you don't have any source code there :D
[14:49] <hateball> basically if you have a lot of source code files baloo takes forever to index them, but by default most of that should be excluded from indexing iirc
[14:49] <hateball> anyhow you can try the disable/enable, doesnt hurt
 I tryed to let baloo index one whole night. It did not help.
 @hateball, I did switch Baloo of in the settings. Is that the same thing?
[15:16] <hateball> weltimeister I am not sure if that just stops it or disables it
[15:16] <hateball> thats why I like to use the cli tool
 Okay. I will try.
 I guess I should enable Baloo for that in the settings first, right?
 Since I need to work now, I will try that later. I will let you know.
[16:18] <graham__> test
[18:07] <R13ose> Hi
[18:08] <R13ose> I am getting this dialog to show up and unsure why. Configuration file "/home/test/.config/ktraderclientrc" not writeable.  What do I do?
[18:21] <genii> R13ose: sudo chown test:test /home/test/.config/ktraderclientrc && chmod 600 /home/test/.config/ktraderclientrc
[18:23] <R13ose> genii: I can't open most applications so this is not the only one.  There is another one kreadconfig5rc
[18:24] <genii> R13ose: Are you trying to run applications in /home/test  from a user with a different name than "test" ?
[18:25] <R13ose> Nope.  I am logged in as test and just click on apps
[18:25] <R13ose> genii: ^
[18:25] <genii> You may also have done something to alter permissions in there, like trying to run applications while root/admin
[18:28] <R13ose> genii: how to fix?
[18:29] <genii> R13ose: To revert permissions back to the user recursively for all the files in their home directory: sudo chown -R test:test /home/test
[18:30]  * genii wanders back to work
[18:30]  * EvilRoey hears that genii does wonders for work
[18:30] <EvilRoey> just interact with genii daily for maximum effect
[18:30] <EvilRoey> hi R13ose
[20:05] <om26er> on 18.04 plasma panel hangs while I resume from suspend until wifi connects
[20:06] <om26er> I think the issue is resolved in latest KDE (tested Neon), so when will that make its way to Kubuntu ?
[20:09] <valorie> R13ose: sudo chown test:test /home/* will take awhile, but that will fix all your $HOME permissions
[20:10] <valorie> and please never run any GUI applications as root/sudo/admin unless the app itself gives you a window asking for your sudo password
[20:13] <acheronuk> om26er: 5.12.5 is in our updates ppa, and will hopefully go into the main archive for testing for updates there shortly
[20:14] <om26er> acheronuk: ok, sounds good.
[21:02] <R13ose> Right.  I will try that
[21:04] <mattfly>  is someone there with nvidia drivers installed able to hibernate? I am not and have reported a bug but Havent found no one else with this issue or up to test it
[21:09] <R13ose> valorie: says chown: changing ownership of '/home/test': read-only file system.
[21:10] <valorie> oh dear
[21:10] <valorie> that sounds more serious and beyond anything I know how to advise about
[21:10] <valorie> that said, I've had the same thing happen
[21:11] <valorie> but my son fixed it for me and I don't recall the detailes
[21:11] <valorie> I believe it's not being mounted correctly
[21:13] <krytarik> Or it's remounted read-only because of file system errors.
[21:13] <valorie> R13ose: you might ask in #ubuntu which is a much larger channel if nobody speaks up here
[21:15] <R13ose> valorie: I did ask there twice and for bad answers
[21:15] <valorie> :(
[21:16] <R13ose> valorie: should I try what genii said?
[21:17] <valorie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/98526/changing-ownership-of-read-only-file-system <--- did you try this?
[21:17] <valorie> dealing with one file at a time won't work if your entire HOME is r/o
[21:18] <genii> "read-only file system" makes me think you booted the system up into recovery
[21:18] <R13ose> genii: how do I know if I did?
[21:18] <valorie> good thought, genii
[21:18] <R13ose> valorie: I didn't try that
[21:18]  * valorie goes afk for awhile
[21:21] <R13ose> genii: I did runlevel and says N 5
[21:23] <genii> Another option then is it was not marked clean
[21:23] <genii> ( and so cannot be mounted )
[21:23] <R13ose> genii: how do we mark this clean?
[21:24] <genii> R13ose: Please use a pastebin website to show us the output of the: mount ...command
[21:25] <genii> The answer to your question depends on what's mounted where
[21:25] <genii> work, afk again 5-7 minutes
[21:27] <R13ose> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6NM5cCN7Wv/
[21:37] <genii> meh LVM
[21:41] <genii> R13ose: You'll need specialized instructions from someone more familiar with LVM than I am for that
[21:42] <genii> ..But it does look like this is the main cause of your larger problem, errors were encoutered and volume was mounted read-only
[21:42] <R13ose> genii: okay, I will wait in here for someone to come.
[21:49] <genii> R13ose: Since process is not dependent on what desktop environment you use, asking in #ubuntu might yield a faster answer than in here
[21:51] <R13ose> genii: can you tell me what to ask?
[21:54] <genii> R13ose:" I use LVM, root is mounting read-only and I need instructions to help me with fsck and mounting it read-write again"   might work
[21:54] <R13ose> genii: thanks
[21:55] <genii> It's probably something like 3-4 commands after booting from a livecd/DVD but some will be commands LVM specific to finding out the names of the volumes on your drive, etc
[21:56] <genii> ( to run fsck on)
[21:57] <R13ose> genii: I can't run live as I don't have cd/dvd drives or a usb key
[22:05] <oerheks> not sure "touch /forcefsck" works for LVM too, but all guides say use a live iso
 @hateball, Hey hateball, unfortunately using balooctl did not help.
 Do you or anyone else have another idea how to stop baloo using all RAM until the system freezes? (While I still want to use a proper desktop search.)


[17:53] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: studio-controls crashes in the live session if it has no config file. I'll throw a bug report as soon as I can.'
[17:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: can anything write to the home directory when running this way?
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> Yes, we should be able to.
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> Granted, it gets erased on reboot (goes to ram).
[17:55] <OvenWerks> ram is fine
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> I'm filing a bug report because we're beyond beta freeze.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> Beta is tomorrow.
[17:56] <OvenWerks> on the iso does .config exist? I am guessing ./config/autojack does not but it should be created in convert
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> ~/.config does exist for any and all users.
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> mkdir -p (or equivalent) is good for this use case.
[17:57] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if running convert on startup before autojack runs would help.
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> You mean, put it in the autojack-start I made?
[18:02] <OvenWerks> yes, if it runs before anything else, it checks to make sure ~/.config/autojack exists and creats it if not.
[18:02] <OvenWerks> then it writes a config file
[18:04] <Eickmeyer> That would work. Bug is filed, bug 1944607
[18:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: pushed, do you want to look at autojack-start to make sure it makes sense?
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> I'll take a look at it in a sec.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> release as 2.2.3 if it looks right
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It didn't work.
[18:22] <OvenWerks> can you run convert from commandline?
[18:22] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Let me get you the output.
[18:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> $ convert-studio-controls... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a7ed038ab80a8c516ce2efeac4b11af3d33e3af1)
[18:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ^
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> (Matrix makes for a good pastebin)
[18:25] <OvenWerks> I am just looking at the autojack code and it looks like we log stdout but not stderr
[18:26] <Eickmeyer> Interesting.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> this has been why pastes people have left in issues have not shown the error
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> That makes sense.
[18:33] <OvenWerks> This is tricky. The obvious fix is to test for 'none' at that line... but there should never be a device called none and to get to that line there would have to be
[18:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if there is a USB device plugged in at boot and no config file, that USB device will become jack master by default.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> is that good or bad?
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Shouldn't it be internal audio as master by default?
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> I mean, unless that's too complicated to do.
[18:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: sorry, it only does that if it can't find anythng else to use as default
[18:39] <OvenWerks> So that is fine
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Yes, that's 100% OK.
[18:40] <OvenWerks> so if someone has their on board audio disabled in bios...
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> Imagine...
[18:40] <OvenWerks> But it looks like we add the usbdev even if it is 'none'
[18:41] <OvenWerks> I actually used to disable the internal audio... I only turned it back on so I could test things.
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> Well, I mean, if that's what it takes and doesn't fundamentally break anything.
[18:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  I have: if def_config['USBDEV'] not in devicelist and def_config['USBDEV'] != 'none':
[18:43] <Eickmeyer> That *should* work.
[18:44] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if that is effectively: if def_config['USBDEV'] not (in devicelist and def_config['USBDEV'] != 'none'):
[18:45] <OvenWerks> changing to: if def_config['USBDEV'] != 'none' and def_config['USBDEV'] not in devicelist:
[18:55] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it works as is in 20.04 :P
[18:55]  * OvenWerks thinks python may have changed
[18:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm talking about the live session prior to any config being made.
[18:56] <OvenWerks> that is what I am testing
[19:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's very possible. We've got 3.9 in Impish.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Ok braces to check coming up :P
[19:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sounds good.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> uploaded can you try that one?
[19:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Working on it now.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I directly ran it, no good. Same issue.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> $ convert-studio-controls... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/73a602032dcd8d7ac51069ebaa4cf19033e16bd6)
[19:21] <OvenWerks> ok. so something else is adding a 'none' device
[19:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: another try.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[19:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Still no good.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cbbd2f5720c4fac429d420d8c5c08816d6a53bc6)
[19:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: something is happening I don't understand, I have added some debugging lines
[19:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: do you actually have a device called none,0,0?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looking. What command would show that?
[19:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> (I'm running it in a VM)
[19:50] <OvenWerks> aplay -l
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> card 0: I82801AAICH [Intel 82801AA-ICH], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel 82801AA-ICH]
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]>   Subdevices: 1/1
[19:50] <Eickmeyer[m]>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[19:51] <OvenWerks> That should be ok
[19:53] <OvenWerks> however, on the off chance there is such a thing, I guess I should check for that. But before that. I would like to see the output of what I just did
[19:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok. I'll look at your latest commit.
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Using what you did:
[19:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> $ convert-studio-controls... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a3ffccf88d14b3d6cec8a7314ad61d9642bd53ac)
[19:59] <OvenWerks> it says it think you have a device named none... I need to check that more. another upload coming soon
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've got this one as release blocking. The release team wasn't happy when I told them that.
[20:06] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: what does tyhis get? cat /proc/asound/card*/id
[20:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> I82801AAICH
[20:08] <OvenWerks> that should give I82801AAICH,0,0 as default device
[20:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right.
[20:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: another one to test (bug should be gone but printout is still needed
[20:25] <OvenWerks> Also a paste of: ls /proc/asound/I82801AAICH or /proc/asound/card0
[20:26] <OvenWerks> if either of those error, maybe: ls /proc/asound
[20:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok. Sorry, had a phone call.
[20:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: $ ls /proc/asound/I82801AAICH
[20:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> codec97#0  id  intel8x0  pcm0c  pcm0p  pcm1c
[20:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> card0 returns same
[20:32] <OvenWerks> that is different
[20:32] <OvenWerks> Is that an AC97 card then?
[20:33] <OvenWerks> If so, alsa has changed the way they deal with them
[20:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, it's virtual.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> even virtual that would be a change
[20:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's basically a Virtualbox passthrough masquerading as an Intel chipset.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> But that is ok. it should still be treated the same as a PCI audio device
[20:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> Agreed. Pulseaudio is OK, so perhaps some changes kept up with Alsa there. The question then is, how do we solve this in studio-controls?
[20:39] <OvenWerks> I need a new paste of my latest upload
[20:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok
[20:41] <OvenWerks> I have fixed two things and need to know which one fixed your error
[20:41] <OvenWerks> (or if both failed ... sigh)
[20:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think it worked this time:
[20:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> convert-studio-controls... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/4a27b7d6d68028fecaade375ebf0d2e848c9ac1c)
[20:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Trying one more time for good measure.
[20:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> We're good. \o/
[20:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> $ convert-studio-controls... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/0634de3e1806233c8d8604cc4534a6a42865e633)
[20:43] <OvenWerks> I have also fixed things for an audio card with the id 'none'
[20:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sweet.
[20:43] <OvenWerks> ok, I should remove some of the debug messages
[20:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Feel free to tag/release when ready, I'll get this uploaded and tell the release team we need it expedited.
[20:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: released
[20:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: On it.
[20:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: that would have effected anyone without a standard hda device (if those are still shown the same way in 21.10)
[20:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Either way, it will prevent an embarrassing situation where one of our core components is utterly broken for people trying it.
[20:58] <OvenWerks> it did not help that I can not reproduce on this machine
[20:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I get that. This is why it's useful to have people like me around to do these smoke tests.
[21:00] <OvenWerks> I had switched two operations around and only when there is an HDA device does it work.
[21:01] <OvenWerks> It is what comes from adding complexity to existing code
[21:01] <OvenWerks> anyway, I am likely not available for the rest of the day to more than answer
[21:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, sounds good. I think I've got it from here.
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Uploaded, once I get the migration email from proposed I'll be able to respin the iso.
[21:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I have heard some good talk about PW on Ardour lately. It seems latencies are much closer to expected.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's great!
[21:42] <OvenWerks> BTW, 21.10 kernel seems to actually load the alsa module for the fireworks chip again, though performance is still unacceptable
[21:42] <Eickmeyer> That's disappointing.
[21:44] <OvenWerks> So far as I can tell, PW still only conects to jack if jack asks for device access, so using jack for ffado and pw for everything else doesn't work
[21:46] <OvenWerks> wtay says the jack bridge can't be added manually but I would guess it can be just looking at some of the cli options for it's controller utility
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> Possibly. Sounds like he's got some feature completeness to work on.


[14:12] <mitya57> Does anybody know what this can cause this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/141952452/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.xenomai_<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[14:12] <mitya57> (I can't reproduce this locally)
[14:17] <mitya57> Hm, I can't reproduce this even if I'm doing a binary-arch build :(
[14:26]  * mitya57 installs pkg-create-dbgsym and tries to build with that


[05:43] <InHisName> Looks like they shortend the time span from 18 months to 9 with Raring Ringtail (13.04)
[10:23] <rmg51> Morning
[11:05] <GuruPilgrim> Morning
[13:10] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:44] <InHisName> Mornin' Y'all
[20:54] <InHisName> Two systems,  cannot enter samba in either.   One shows in windows workgroup fine other shows icon but 'boinks' and network not found. Both ubuntu 13.04
[21:21] <InHisName> sudo system-config-samba          ----> ValueError: need more than 1 value to unpack


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