[15:47] <nixternal> mdke: which branch should we (Kubuntu) be using for docs? lp:ubuntu/kubuntu-docs or lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/karmic ?
[15:47] <nixternal> to many emails to search though, this is easier :p
[15:53] <mdke> nixternal: the latter
[15:54] <mdke> nixternal: the former is part of DistributedDevelopment, the wiki has more info
[15:55] <nixternal> groovy, thanks dude...gotta get back into some documentation around here, no better time than now :)
[15:55] <mdke> kubuntu-docs needs some love
[15:55] <nixternal> you think? :)
[16:12] <mdke> nixternal: anyway, welcome back, got to run


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[13:13] <epal> or app mismo ng stackoverflow? :-?
[13:22] <wers> I dunno how they got stackoverflow running there
[13:25] <pepesmith> wers da luv?
[13:25] <wers> right here
[13:25] <pepesmith> good
[13:25] <Terminus-> whoops... afk.
[13:45] <jmazaredo> >_>
[13:46] <Terminus-> <_<
[13:47] <jmazaredo> musta na terminus
[13:47] <jmazaredo> hehe
[13:48] <jmazaredo> kailangan ko na maglaro
[13:48] <jmazaredo> tapos na work bb :D


[12:10] <zul> brb
[12:14] <viper12> so....anyone awake in here?
[12:16] <zul> chuck@homer:~$ sudo modprobe nvidia
[12:16] <zul> Password:
[12:16] <zul> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-4-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
[12:16] <zul> ah crap..
[12:16] <viper12> ditto.
[12:16] <zul> mdz: confirmed
[12:16] <viper12> and the wifi broke as well.  Is there a problem with today's updates?
[12:16] <viper12> really fragged the main box I use.
[12:17] <zul> apparently there is
[12:17] <viper12> changing xorg.conf to use the "nv" driver temp fixes the gui, but that's about it.
[12:17] <viper12> my wifi isn't recognized any longer as well.
[12:17] <zul> viper12: i realize that we are trying to figure out what went wrong
[12:18] <viper12> not getting any response in the forums or the main ubuntu channel so I figured I'd drop by here.
[12:18] <mdz> zul: can you open a bug so that I can refer people there when they ask about this problem?
[12:18] <zul> mdz: sure
[12:18] <mdz> if there isn't one already...
[12:18] <viper12> someone mentioned that the restricted modules weren't bein' "luv'd"....is that what's happening?
[12:18] <zul> nice background though ;)
[12:19] <viper12> mdz=matt zimmerman? just curious. (you've been an 'education' in the forums to me....wanted to say thanks...if indeed dat' be you.)
[12:20] <mdz> viper12: that's me, you're welcome
[12:20] <lamont> is this -26 or -25?
[12:20] <zul> 26
[12:20] <viper12> yep
[12:20] <zul> ya think?
[12:21] <lamont> starting in about 90 minutes
[12:21] <zul> frig i dont have access to main
[12:21] <lamont> ??
[12:21] <lamont> oh, upload access?
[12:21] <zul> yeah
[12:21] <lamont> create a 00list-27* and pester mdz then, I guess.
[12:21] <lamont> once the fix is done that is.
[12:21] <zul> k
[12:22] <lamont> I expect I will have a little bit of online time tomorrow around 1800UTCish, but not very much
[12:22] <lamont> by that point fabbione will be back around and can do the upload, if it comes to that.
[12:24] <viper12> just fyi, i'm not asking for tech help here, but am very curious as to probable cause for the issue. (testing 2 boxes and a laptop with latest hoary builds).
[12:28] <lamont> viper12: if you can't load modules, it's because we broke it. :-(
[12:28] <zul> mdz: i need to get dinner for my wife and then ill be back on this abi stuff
[12:29] <lamont> zul: likewise, if mdz isn't around when -27 is ready, there should be _someone_ in #u-d with upload privs... :)
[12:30] <viper12> lamont......figured that. lol.  good thing that main box has a wired connection as well.......heh heh.  any eta (no rush) on a push for fixes?  (no desire to 'back down' as connectivity via laptop still good.)
[12:30] <lamont> there should be a -27 there sometime within 24 hours or so (takes forever to build)
[12:30] <lamont> viper12: specifically, what zul has to do is figure out _which_ patch(es) broke the module abi compatibility, and remove them.
[12:31] <lamont> Then, we get to roll a new abi with the next kernel upload
[12:31] <viper12> its all good.  they don't calling it "testing/unstable" etc., for nuthin'. :)
[12:31] <zul> lamont
[12:32] <lamont> si?
[12:32] <zul> yay it kills the stamp-monolith stuff
[12:32] <zul> ill just build a 686 kernel right now
[12:32] <lamont> yes. that was the nice thing about fabbione's changes...
[12:32] <lamont> that works
[12:33] <lamont> viper12: I assume we're talking some x86 machine here, not ppc or amd64?
[12:33] <viper12> as x86 as it gets.  stock IBM e-server.  p4 2.4gig
[12:34] <zul> i only have a 1.8 celeron here so its going to take a while
[12:34] <lamont> zul: if I were doing it, it'd be on my home machine too.
[12:35] <viper12> the laptop (compaq x1000 widescreen) only has issues with video acceleration as far as I can tell at this point. (the ati mobility at least didn't break completely.)
[12:35] <viper12> wifi on the eserver is with a netgear wg311, and that went poof. (guessing restricted mods).
[12:35] <zul> viper12: what did you do for your xorg stuff so i can add it to the bug?
[12:36] <viper12> to at least get the eserver "up" I just commented out the acceleration and nvidia specific lines, and changed the driver to "nv".  gnome came right up, but gl stuff will barf.
[12:36] <viper12> (screensavers, games, etc.)
[12:37] <zul> can you add that to 7485 please? thanks
[12:37] <viper12> via bugzilla? (brain fartin' here.)
[12:37] <zul> yes thanks
[12:37] <viper12> be just a couple minutes. but sure.
[12:38] <zul> ok...i need to go feed my wife
[12:38] <viper12> :D
[12:39] <viper12> I do have one question......what should uname -a be reporting after this update? (just ensuring that something didn't bork with the synaptic upgrade.)
[12:39] <zul> 2.6.10-4-686 you can do a dpkg -l | grep linux
[12:40] <viper12> zul, the info was just to make sure it wasn't s'posed to be 5-686 or somesuch.  I checked forums before updating, and didn't see any issues getting reported one way or 'nuther.  just me bein' paranoid. lol
[12:40] <zul> k...bbiab
[12:42] <mdz> zul: I'll be here for some hours yet
[12:42] <lamont> who's are favorite freenode op?
[12:53] <lamont> there.  all better
[12:53] <viper12> Just added the xorg.conf changes to get the nvidia card to at least bring up the gui.  Oh, I also commented out the acceleration stuff to ensure it would work.  (haven't tested it with acelleration enabled.)
[12:53] <viper12> (that's to 7485's bug report.)
[12:54] <lamont> cool
[12:54] <viper12> gonna try to leave acelleration enabled and see if it barfs.
[12:56] <viper12> spell check needed for my constant misspelling of acceleration. lmao
[01:05] <viper12> no difference.  just changing the driver from 'nvidia' to 'nv' is all that's needed to bring up gdm.
[01:17] <viper12> wondered when you'd pop over crimsun.  :)
[01:19] <dilinger> where's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[01:25] <dilinger> anyone?  where can i get at the arch repository?
[01:29] <lamont> dilinger<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:29] <lamont> at least for now...
[01:30] <dilinger> thanks
[01:31] <lamont> dilinger: and that's a baz archive,
[01:32] <lamont> although that might only matter for commits - not sure
[01:36] <dilinger> yea, definitely baz only
[01:37] <dilinger> kernel-debian--pre27--2.6.10 is the recommended branch for development stuff?
[01:37] <dilinger> or is there something more bleeding edge?
[01:40] <lamont> mainline is where we merge to when we upload
[01:40] <lamont> --pre27 is where we're committing changes prior to the upload
[01:40] <lamont> zul is currently tracking down the modules-abi b0rkage introduced in -26, that fix will be -27.
[01:40] <dilinger> ok, thanks
[01:40] <lamont> then we'll have --pre28 to play on...
[01:41] <lamont> alas, zul does not have commit access to the archive.
[01:41] <lamont> so, with luck, he'll have a readable archive somewhere with the changes, but more likely, -27 will consist only of 'remove these patches from 00list-26 and call it 00list-27'
[01:41] <lamont> which will then need to get reflected in baz.
[02:11] <zul> dilinger: you are getting involved with us?
[02:19] <dilinger> zul: now that i've got a working ubuntu machine, that is the intention
[02:19] <zul> cool
[02:20] <dilinger> also, gregkh and chrisw have been receptive to my patches for 2.6.x.y
[02:20] <dilinger> so it's looking like -as won't be necessary after all
[02:20] <zul> neet...welcome aboard
[02:20] <dilinger> more free time for me :)
[02:20] <crimsun> yeah, I was wondering if -as would morph into the .x.y :)
[02:22] <zul>   CC [M]   drivers/net/wireless/adm8211/ieee80211.o
[02:31] <dilinger> do you guys ever override revision in debian/rules?
[02:32] <zul> i dont think so
[02:33] <dilinger> shouldn't matter, though, it's not sorted.  nm.
[02:56] <lamont> dilinger: cool.
[02:56] <zul> c ya lamont
[02:56] <lamont> should be back sometime on monday (dunno if first thing, or late in the day though...)
[02:57] <lamont> zul: thanks for dealing with the abi mess, eh?
[02:57] <zul> no probelm ill do the best that i can
[02:59] <zul> gah...i so much hate iNOTify
[03:58] <zul> did i mention i hate inotify?
[03:59] <crimsun> I don't hate it as much now that I boot with "noinotify" ;-)
[03:59] <zul> wanna trade? :)
[04:01] <crimsun> heheh
[05:20] <zul> later
[08:55] <fabbione> hmmmm
[08:55] <fabbione> wtf
[08:55] <fabbione> how come the ABI didn't break with me?
[08:55] <fabbione> i have 686 -4
[08:56] <fabbione> and i have nvidia for not crying out loud
[08:57] <fabbione> it's the first frigging test i do here
[01:01] <zul> morning
[01:02] <fabbione> hey zul
[01:03] <zul> what fun that was last night ;)
[01:03] <fabbione> uh?
[01:04] <zul> the abi breakage
[01:04] <fabbione> fuck nvidia and all the binary shit
[01:04] <zul> yep
[01:04] <zul> i totally agree fuck them all
[01:05] <fabbione> and force people to reboot after a kernel upgrade
[01:05] <fabbione> all this mess it's only to avoid people to reboot
[01:05] <fabbione> it is NOT worth the pain
[01:06] <zul> so we are back to 0.18 i take it
[01:06] <zul> oh yeah thanks for the patching unpactching stuff
[01:07] <fabbione> no problem
[01:07] <zul> its alot better now
[01:07] <zul> alot more tolerable
[01:07] <fabbione> oh yeah
[01:18] <fabbione> guys i am going to commit some stuff to pre28
[01:18] <fabbione> but i cannot commit all the patches
[01:18] <fabbione> because i am not allowed to disclose them
[01:18] <fabbione> not before the 16 at least
[01:19] <fabbione> in the meanwhile i will be able to test them
[01:19] <zul> uh ok
[01:30] <zul> huh? why didnt baz get pre-0.28?
[01:32] <fabbione> pre28
[01:32] <mjg59> I'm going to have various patches to fix stuff on these HPs
[01:32] <fabbione> mjg59: please send them asap
[01:32] <fabbione> we start to have time issue now for testing
[01:32] <mjg59> fabbione: Ok. First one will be easy, the others haven't been written now.
[01:32] <fabbione> and it must be very good crack
[01:33] <mjg59> One of them is Obviously Correct
[01:36] <fabbione> hmmm
[01:36] <fabbione> that's weird
[01:37] <zul> ok...now to go squish bugs
[01:37] <mjg59> fabbione: Last thing I see in the strace is the ioctl, and then the machine freezes
[01:38] <mjg59> Doesn't seem to make any difference whether or not there's a cable plugged in
[01:38] <mjg59> I should run mii-diag on it and see if it hangs
[01:39] <fabbione> good idea
[01:55] <zul> bonjour
[01:56] <jbailey> hla, ca va?
[01:57] <zul> ca ba bien et toi?
[01:58] <jbailey> tres bien.  Je suis un peux fatiguer.