[16:01] <TJ-> curlyears: you what? it's the most well documented init system I've seen
[16:02] <ducasse> curlyears: 'apropos systemd'?
[16:02] <embrik> nacc: OK - but I remember back in the old days when I was i linux-user, I typed some commands and renamed a whole folder with files, with one lline
[16:02] <curlyears> TJ-:  documented WHERE?
[16:02] <nacc> curlyears: there is absolutely a manpage
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> !systemd
[16:03] <curlyears> like I said, man systemd and info systemd yield nothing
[16:03] <TJ-> curlyears: "dpkg -S '/usr/share/man*/systemd*' | wc -l" => 143
[16:03] <curlyears> \fo I need systemd on 14/04/4?
[16:03] <curlyears> 14.04.4
[16:03] <nacc> curlyears: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[16:03] <nacc> curlyears: that's using upstart still, so maybe the manpage doesn't exist there
[16:04] <embrik> exit
[16:04] <antonispgs> how can i see if i have packages installed from specific ppa repositories?
[16:04] <nacc> embrik: could probably do it with find and other tools ...
[16:04] <curlyears> nacc:   OK, so what exectly *IS* systemd?
[16:04] <nacc> curlyears: --^ what ubottu said?
[16:05] <nacc> curlyears: it's an init system
[16:05] <nacc> curlyears: well, in some sense it's broader than that, it happens to be an init system when running as pid 1
[16:05] <Archeus_> hey
[16:05] <DHE> it's more than that. it's a whole bunch of software that manages your OS. a logger, a login manager, a cgroup manager, and so on and so forth
[16:05] <Archeus_> i wanted to know how to install packages ?
[16:06] <nacc> !apt | Archeus_
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Archeus_: wich ubuntu version?
[16:06] <Archeus_> 14.04
[16:06] <Archeus_> i need to install
[16:06] <Archeus_> ia32-libs
[16:06] <Archeus_> lib32nss-mdns
[16:06] <curlyears> I see.   I was afk when that scolled by.
[16:06] <Archeus_> nd i also need to check if they r present or not
[16:06] <pimate> Hello eveyone, I am trying to install ubuntu on a laptop with no built-in screen, I am using the VGA port instead. the hard drive is empty. what should I do? I triedflashing the hard drive with ubuntu but as I power it nothing happens. would you shed some light on it?
[16:06] <nacc> Archeus_: ia32-libs hasn't been present since 12.04
[16:07] <Archeus_> ah
[16:07] <Archeus_> i need to install a game
[16:07] <curlyears> this system excists to allow m e to run an open-source 3D graphics package, and use the output to drive my 3D printer
[16:07] <argon__> Archeus use mlocate
[16:07] <Archeus_> nd whts tht ?
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> pimate: can you Fn + F5 to see the external screen?
[16:08] <argon__> a tool to check for files on your system
[16:08] <Archeus_> oh
[16:08] <argon__> I think it might be installed by default with ubuntu. Use it like: locate lib32.dll in cli
[16:08] <Archeus_> i dont thnk its installed
[16:08] <Archeus_> oh
[16:09] <Archeus_> w8 whts cli ?
[16:09] <merced> commandlineinterface
[16:09] <nacc> argon__: ia32-libs is definitely not installed by default
[16:09] <nchambers> command line interface
[16:09] <pimate> lotuspsychje: I could try, I forgot to mention that the keyboard is plugged via USB. I am turning this old laptop into a desktop if I can
[16:09] <nacc> argon__: it's not even present in all but precise amongst current supported Ubuntu
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> pimate: make an ubuntu usb, enter bios,set usb as first boot and Fn + screen change F button
[16:10] <Archeus_> u mean terminal ?
[16:10] <argon__> nacc: Oh, okay :)
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> pimate: surely possible
[16:10] <argon__> Archeus_: Yeah, terminal
[16:10] <nacc> Archeus_: why do you think you need those packages?
[16:10] <Archeus_> oh k
[16:10] <TJ-> pimate: are you able to view the laptop's BIOS setup screens?
[16:10] <Archeus_> to install a game
[16:11] <Archeus_> known as savage XR
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> pimate: for older laptops perhaps lubuntu or xubuntu and if you cant load up an usb as first boot, try 'plop boot manager' on a cdrom to force usb install
[16:11] <nacc> Archeus_: and is that a pacakged game, or from source?
[16:12] <nacc> Archeus_: their website has a tutorial: http://www.newerth.com/smf/index.php?topic=17598.0;wap2
[16:12] <Archeus_> hmm
[16:12] <Archeus_> i thnk its source
[16:13] <curlyears> I dunno...my video is more than fast enough for my aapplications, and it is certainly high enough in resolution
[16:13] <nacc> Archeus_: follow that tutorial, and if you have issues, you'll probably need to contact the game forums
[16:13] <nacc> curlyears: ECHAN?
[16:13] <Archeus_> nd im follwing tht tutorial only
[16:13] <curlyears> nacc?
[16:14] <Archeus_> but some things are missing
[16:14] <nacc> curlyears: i'm not sure what you are saying, or who you are saying it to...
[16:14] <nacc> Archeus_: such as?
[16:14] <Archeus_> hmm
[16:14] <argon__> Archeus_: It says explicitly that you have to install the libs yourself if your on Ubuntu
[16:14] <Archeus_> let me tell u in a bit later
[16:14] <Archeus_> brb
[16:15] <curlyears> oh, just rambling about "gamers" who seem to need video resolutions and speeds that are beyond the ability of human senses to deal with
[16:15] <Archeus_> let me try tht tutorial again
[16:15] <nacc> curlyears: right ... so #offtopic :)
[16:15] <curlyears> nacc   you're right )-:
[16:15] <TJ-> pimate: best way to install is to use another PC that has reliable monitor. Attach the disk externally via a caddy or esata etc., then install to it via a virtual machine that has that external disk as its storage device
[16:15] <merced> is that a hashtag or a channel?
[16:16] <nacc> merced: it's #ubuntu-offtopic, iirc
[16:16] <nacc> merced: but I don't want to type that everytime :)
[16:16] <merced> :p
[16:16] <curlyears> merced:   #ubuntu-offtopic is another , related channel
[16:18] <tertiary> is there a way to add a local deb package to apt so it downloads dependencies? I dont like the dpkg + apt-get -f approach, nor gdebi...
[16:19] <tgm4883> tertiary: I believe you can just 'sudo apt install debname'
[16:19] <tgm4883> I'm not sure if there is a flag or not
[16:20] <tertiary> tgm4883: didnt know that, ill give it a shot
[16:20] <pimate> TJ: not yet. I am preparing a USB pendrive as we speak and I reaconnected the original keyboard. I will give it a stab
[16:27] <Blix> hello
[16:28] <Blix> is this the place to ask questions about wine?
[16:28] <segf4ult> This is an Ubuntu support channel ^^
[16:29] <merced> #winehq
[16:29] <segf4ult> Blix: you might want to try #winehq for direct wine support :)
[16:29] <Blix> ok, thanks
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> Blix: or if its ubuntu related, ask the details here
[16:31] <pimate> Fn + F5 doesnt seem to do much. screen still blinks and doesnt find a source. It could be that the built in keyboard has been damaged or the whole laptop is not working. could I install kubuntu on the HD from RPi?
[16:31] <Blix> well, winehq doesn't seem very active
[16:32] <foenix> hey all. What's the best place to report issues with the AMD open source drivers? LightWorks does not work in 16.04
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> pimate: could be another key also, Fn+ the one with 2 square screens on
[16:32] <tgm4883> Blix: are you running ubuntu?
[16:32] <Blix> Yes
[16:32] <boogelloo> hi
[16:33] <tgm4883> Blix: you can try here, winehq would be the better channel though
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> pimate: can you branch another keyboard on it or so?
[16:33] <Blix> I asked winehq, it's been 10 minutes
[16:33] <boogelloo> my son has born son
[16:33] <Blix> no response
[16:34] <tgm4883> Blix: As I said, you can try here but nobody may know the answer
[16:34] <merced> for app compat you should just look at the winehq db
[16:34] <merced> that's all anyones gonna do for your issue anyway
[16:35] <tgm4883> merced: well that would depend on the issue
[16:35] <Blix> Okay, so I have installed wine (Ver. 1.8) and I'm using it to install Cursechat. When I attempt to install it grays out and stops responding.
[16:35] <xangua> !appdb | Blix
[16:37] <tgm4883> Blix: assuming you are installing 6.x, that seems to be what everyone is getting
[16:37] <pimate> lotuspsychje: F5 has two square screens on and F6 has two square screens with and arrow and a light simbol. both dont work. I can try with a usb keyboard. but it lacks the Fn key
[16:37] <Blix> So, currently this is no solution?
[16:37] <Blix> tgm4883,
[16:37] <tgm4883> Blix: doesn't appear to be
[16:38] <Blix> Okay, at least it's not me
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> If I want to ssh  into a livecd box, why can't I do that?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> the ubuntu user doesn't have a password?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> do I just have to copy my key there?
[16:41] <nacc> svm_invictvs: is ssh server installed?
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> It's installed up and running
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> ssh localhost works, but it promps for a password
[16:41] <svm_invictvs> And no password works
[16:42] <svm_invictvs> I need to set the ubuntu user's password, but i just get an error
[16:42] <snckrs> hey :D I wanted to install a package from a ppa which is for an older ubuntu version, how do I do that?
[16:43] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: out of curriosity, why do you want to ssh to a live session?
[16:43] <nacc> svm_invictvs: by default hte ubuntu user has no password, iirc, which is probably not allowed by ssh
[16:43] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 Because I dont' want to sit by the server rack to un fux this server
[16:43] <tgm4883> fair enough
[16:44] <svm_invictvs> THere's no chair there, and I need to be able to look stuff up while I work on it
[16:44] <nacc> svm_invictvs: so you can probably `passwd` the ubuntu user; or create a new one using sudo
[16:45] <svm_invictvs> passwd fails every time
[16:46] <nacc> svm_invictvs: `sudo passwd ubuntu`, maybe
[16:46] <dbernardo> hello, newbie question, I tried to join raspberry pi chat group and got this:  #raspberrypi :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[16:46] <dbernardo> what does that mean?
[16:46] <camroncade> Hi, I'm trying to have a bash script run every time a flash drive is plugged in, provided a specific file exists on the flash drive. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
[16:47] <snckrs> dbernardo, probably you need to register on the network
[16:47] <nacc> !identify | dbernardo
[16:47] <dbernardo> thanks, i will try that
[16:47] <nacc> snckrs: so a package is in a ppa for a version X and you want to install it for version Y?
[16:48] <snckrs> nacc, exactly. The package is for version 15.04, but im  on version 16.04. apt-get just says "unable to find package"
[16:48] <nacc> snckrs: contact the ppa owner?
[16:48] <camroncade> I'm trying to have a bash script run every time a flash drive is plugged in, provided a specific file exists on the flash drive. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
[16:48] <nacc> snckrs: or you can try creating your own ppa and publish your own, but then ymmv
[16:48] <nacc> !patience | camroncade
[16:49] <camroncade> nacc gotcha I'll wait
[16:49] <nacc> camroncade: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25071/how-to-run-a-script-when-a-specific-flash-drive-is-mounted
[16:49] <nacc> camroncade: udev is what you want, iiuc
[16:49] <camroncade> thanks
[16:50] <Masonn> I've been an idiot and purged my nvidia drivers
[16:50] <Masonn> how do i find out which nvdia-xxx i need to install?
[16:50] <snckrs> nacc, ymmv?
[16:51] <squinty> your milage might vary
[16:51] <nacc> snckrs: which is generally true for all PPA versions :)
[16:51] <fenix_peregrino> guys what channel for Android do you recommend? :)
[16:52] <snckrs> I just want to install that package, do I really have to create an own ppa for that?!
[16:52] <squinty> !alis | fenix_peregrino
[16:52] <svm_invictvs> Can't set the ubuntu user's password, but sure cna set the root user's password using sudo then login via SSH
[16:52] <svm_invictvs> This is probably insecure.
[16:52] <fenix_peregrino> Thanks guys1
[16:52] <fenix_peregrino> *!
[16:52] <nacc> snckrs: there is presumably a reason the ppa owner hasn't publisehd for the current release
[16:53] <snckrs> nacc, yes, the reason is, he is in the  army
[16:53] <nacc> snckrs: eitehr the ppa is unmaintained (so probably you shouldn't be using it), or they don't currently support 16.04
[16:54] <snckrs> okay so in other words, there is no way to download the package, and run a console command to build it?
[16:54] <tgm4883> snckrs: well yes, you could try to do that. Trying to build it on your own PPA is probably easier though
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: that's what a PPA helps you avoid doing on your system
[16:55] <tgm4883> both cases don't guarentee any success
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: but there's *no* guarantee it will correctly build in 16.04, just because it built in 15.04
[16:55] <snckrs> Wellp, I wanna try it nevertheless, how do I do it?
[16:55] <nacc> snckrs: what's the package/ppa ?
[16:56] <snckrs> nacc, https://launchpad.net/~rilian-la-te/+archive/ubuntu/vala-panel
[16:56] <Azus> installer etcher sous ubuntu 14.04
[16:56] <tgm4883> snckrs: once you've created your own PPA, you can copy the package there for 16.04 and have it attempt rebuilding https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Copying
[16:56] <Azus> avec appimage comment faire
[16:56] <nacc> !fr | Azus
[16:57] <Masonn> If someone could help me I'd be very grateful, I've purged my Nvidia drivers and don't know how to reinstall the correct ones. My problem is I don't know how to find out which drivers I need. I've tried nvidia-360 but it didn't work :( , How do I know which Nvidia-xxx to download?? thanks
[16:59] <Tin_man> Masonn, try this link: http://askubuntu.com/questions/619864/ubuntu-has-a-heavily-pixelated-screen-when-i-try-to-use-it
[17:02] <snckrs> tgm4883, I am trying to copy  it, but the copy page can't find the package, what am I doing wrong?
[17:02] <tgm4883> snckrs: are you doing the copying from their PPA (not yours)
[17:02] <snckrs> tgm4883, oh never mind, I just went on his ppa page  and found the "copy ppa" button :)
[17:03] <skinux> Is there a way to get Unity launch panel at the bottom of the screen without upgrading to the latest version? AFAIK release isn't out for me for another two months.
[17:04] <snckrs> skinux, just use unity tweak tool
[17:07] <snckrs> Aw man, I accidently chose to build for the same series, and then deleted it, now I can't copy it again because it always says there is already a package with the same version building in another series. How long does it take until that works again? :/
[17:12] <snckrs> i've got another question. In Unity in the menu-bar the appnames always get faded out if they are too long if the menu is shown, How can I prevent that? So that the menu is moved to the right so the appname has ennough space?
[17:17] <tgm4883> snckrs: You'd have to wait until it finishes building, then tell it to delete the package, then wait for it to actually delete (Not sure how often the job runs for that, you might ask in #launchpad )
[17:18] <snckrs> tgm4883, yeah It's already buildinng :) actually  it just finished, both successful! yay
[17:18] <tgm4883> snckrs: well that doesn't say much, you did build it for the same series
[17:18] <snckrs> tgm4883, nope, I built it for xenial
[17:19] <tgm4883> snckrs: ok cool, so then you can test it now
[17:19] <compdoc> to change a host's name, I just need to modify /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname ? anything else?
[17:19] <Evan> Hey guys. I'm running ubuntu 16.04. How do I manually convert a planted password into something i can add to /etc/shadow ?
[17:20] <Evan> plaintext*
[17:20] <nacc> Evan: you should not bemanually manipulating /etc/shadow generally
[17:20] <snckrs> I tried to add my own ppa but it said "Error: signing key fingerprint does not exist
[17:20] <snckrs> "
[17:21] <Evan> I'm not anualy editing it, I'm doing i through puppet, which takes a password hash
[17:21] <tgm4883> Evan, one sec
[17:23] <toomanyerrors> what is the keyboard shortcut to display all keyboard shortcuts.
[17:24] <tgm4883> Evan: if it's going to be on all the boxes, then usually I just add it manually to the puppet server box and then copy it out of shadow. If it's for specific boxes, I run this             python -c "import crypt, getpass, pwd; print crypt.crypt('YourPassword', 'saltysaltsalt')"
[17:25] <xangua> toomanyerrors: hold super key
[17:25] <Evan> tgm4883: i was able to do with with openssl , but thank you!
[17:26] <tgm4883> yw
[17:26] <mmkumr> I have wrongly formated my ubuntu partition. Is there any way to recovery my lost data files
[17:27] <snckrs> interesting, I have no idea whats going on here, apt-get update revealed that my ppa is somehow known to the system, but for whatever reason it still  cant find the package
[17:27] <nacc> snckrs: what's the ppa now?
[17:27] <toomanyerrors> Also I'm having an issue with Cairo Dock on 14.04.3 I cant login while having selected that as de I type my password and then it shows a black screen with a cursor blinking at the corner and then takes me back to login screen
[17:28] <snckrs> nacc, https://launchpad.net/~josua-kollmann/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: still pending
[17:28] <virtuosoj> Running Ubuntu main 16.04. I installed Ubuntu MATE desktop and uninstalled it--- however now the Ubuntu MATE logo appears when I start/turn off my computer.  How can I set it back to default logos?  Do I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: click on pkg details
[17:28] <nacc> snckrs: it can take a while for the builds to finisha nd then get the debs copied to the right place
[17:29] <toomanyerrors> Help?
[17:29] <snckrs> nacc, oh woops, I didnt realize that :) ill just wait and hope they will get published soon. Atleast the build was successful
[17:30] <nacc> snckrs: yeah, just give it a bit
[17:30] <snckrs> nacc, do you have by any chance an answer for my other question?
[17:32] <nacc> snckrs: something about the unity menu? no idea, sorry
[17:32] <snckrs> nacc, dang.
[17:35] <snckrs> lol I ... I have no idea if I was sable  to install it correctly or if it failed: https://ptpb.pw/iPrX
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: how do you mean? it installed correctly
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: if it had failed you'd have gotten an error?
[17:36] <nacc> snckrs: now, that doesn't mean it works :)
[17:37] <snckrs> oh I was  just surprised there was no message like "finished installing" or "installed succesfully" or something along those lines
[17:37] <nacc> snckrs: is there ever when you use apt?
[17:37] <snckrs> nacc, im new to ubuntu
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: ah
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: there is never when you use apt :)
[17:38] <snckrs> nacc, good  to know lol
[17:38] <jasatso1301> I'm having an issue with Cairo Dock on 14.04.3 I cant login while having selected that as de I type my password and then it shows a black screen with a cursor blinking at the corner and then takes me back to login screen
[17:38] <nacc> snckrs: it either finishes successfully ($? is 0 probably too) or it will spit errors
[17:39] <Pici> jasatso1301: I'm not a desktop guy, but why do you think that has anything to do with cairo dock? that sounds like an issue with your desktop environment or with your login manager.
[17:39] <snapfractalpop> OerHeks: hey OerHeks
[17:39] <OerHeks> :-)
[17:40] <OerHeks> hi snapfractalpop
[17:40] <ph88^> can i open a file from the command line with the default program ?
[17:41] <snapfractalpop> I still haven't seen amr_ from a few days ago.. I fear I lead him/her down the rabbithole of compiling kernel modules with experimental patches..
[17:41] <OerHeks> xdg-open <file> should open with the standard app for that sort of file
[17:41] <Pici> ph88^: I *think* thats what xdg-open is for.
[17:42] <snapfractalpop> I never knew the difference between that and gnome-open, or exo-open
[17:43] <jasatso1301> Pici I have the stock Ubuntu login manager and I'm logging in fine with other DEs and Cairo dock works perfectly when launch from unity
[17:43] <akis>  hi all. i faced this issue https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1006838-start-0.html on my freshly 16.04 Xubuntu installation. My system has already (by default) the symbolic link mentioned on this thread (http://pasteboard.co/11gfPQvc.png). Any idea to override this issue?
[17:43] <jasatso1301> I want to use it as a DE in gnome mode
[17:43] <snckrs> nacc, hey I have 2 packages in  my ppa (now its 3 but yeah) but for some reason i cant install vala-panel-extras, it says Unable to locate package
[17:43] <snapfractalpop> there is also gvfs-open, which supposedly replaced gnome-open
[17:43] <OerHeks> ph88^, to check what is the default >  cat /usr/share/applications/defaults.list | grep video
[17:44] <nacc> snckrs: did you `apt-get update`?
[17:44] <snckrs> yes
[17:44] <nacc> snckrs: can you pastebinh `apt-get update; apt-get install vala-panel-extras` ?
[17:45] <ph88^> Pici, xdg-open seems to work .. too bad the name is kind of long though :/
[17:46] <snckrs> nacc, https://ptpb.pw/SOa4
[17:48] <nacc> snckrs: you need to use sudo
[17:49] <snckrs> nacc, doesnnt change  a thing https://ptpb.pw/qtnG
[17:50] <nacc> snckrs: `apt-cache policy vala-panel-extras` ?
[17:50] <snckrs> nacc, N: Unable to locate package vala-panel-extras
[17:50] <fedoen> hi, how to get empathy working with yahoo, it shows me offline and no chance to go online on 16.04
[17:50] <genii> Those repositories do not contain any packages for xenial
[17:51] <nacc> genii: hrm? https://launchpad.net/~josua-kollmann/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[17:53] <OerHeks> 23 minutes ago, nacc, i see 3 files
[17:53] <nacc> OerHeks: ack, and snckrs' system is saying it can't find one of those pacakages (even by `apt-cache policy`
[17:54] <nacc> snckrs: sorry have to step away for a bit, hopefully somoene else will be able to help
[17:54] <snckrs> nacc, thanks for your help so far!
[17:55] <OerHeks> nacc, patience, they are just published, i am on the ducht mirror ( fast one)
[17:55] <OerHeks> *dutch
[17:55] <fedoen> http://pastebin.com/1ux3XDbJ here's my syslog
[17:55] <nacc> OerHeks: ppas get mirrored?
[17:56] <folder|> Would it be possible to have a copy of the main software repositories?  I have no internet at my apartment, but I still want to tinker around with Ubuntu
[17:56] <merced> i wonder how big the repo is
[17:57] <OerHeks> nacc, not sure about that, and i see a red cross .. http://imgur.com/sAm6f4o
[17:57] <nacc> OerHeks: yeah, one failure to build, but not the package in question
[17:57] <nacc> OerHeks: and the prior package seemd to install ok for snckrs
[17:58] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildflags it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add CPPFLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage?
[17:58] <tgm4883> folder|: yea, you'll need some space for it though
[17:58] <folder|> how much space are we talking?
[17:58] <folder|> I have an extra Dell R710 with 2 x 2TB drives
[17:58] <merced> thats probably more than enough
[17:59] <tgm4883> folder|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[17:59] <folder|> I have an extra external HDD with 200GB of space
[17:59] <ipatrol> ooh
[17:59] <tgm4883> specifically, dig through the scripts there and you'll find you can mirror what parts you want
[18:00] <ipatrol> So I have now installed my second Ubuntu flavor, and third Debian derivative, on this machine
[18:00] <jak2000> my network card not bringup at the start/boot, i need do a ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 how to fix it?
[18:00] <tgm4883> folder|: I was using ubumirror when I did it
[18:01] <nacc> !crosspost | jak2000
[18:01] <jak2000> no always are same ppl
[18:01] <jak2000> but i understand
[18:03] <ipatrol> jak2000: what's your native language?
[18:03] <folder|> tgm4883 looks like ubumirror hasn't been updated for a few years :(
[18:04] <ipatrol> !es | jak2000
[18:04] <tgm4883> folder|: does it need to be? It has a simple job of mirroring the repo. What do you want to update on it?
[18:04] <folder|> tgm4883 I have no internet at my apartment until the end of summer
[18:05] <ipatrol> folder|: sounds like fun
[18:05] <tgm4883> folder|: ok, which is why I'm assuming you want a local mirror
[18:05] <folder|> right
[18:05] <folder|> download from work
[18:05] <tgm4883> folder|: ok, so I'm not sure the issue then
[18:05] <folder|> take USB drive to my apartment
[18:06] <jak2013> ipatrol spanish
[18:06] <jak2013> ipatrol understand me?
[18:07] <ipatrol> jak2013: yeah, I just figured that out from your IP address
[18:07] <jak2013> is possible fix the problem?
[18:09] <ipatrol> jak2013: pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a -v"
[18:09] <jak2013> before ifdown ifup commands right?
[18:09] <Queenslayer> Ubuntu is back!
[18:09] <ipatrol> jak2013: right now
[18:10] <ipatrol> tgm4883: isn't apt-mirror the tool used for that?
[18:11] <dbacc> Is there a difference between installing Ubuntu and apt-get install kubuntu-full and installing Kubuntu?
[18:12] <johnny_whipples> this may be off topic but does anyone know if you could use XenServer or vSphere ESXi for a thin client to pxe boot from
[18:12] <lukas_> Can anyone help me with FreeBSD?
[18:12] <johnny_whipples> wahts the offtopic channel?
[18:12] <tgm4883> ipatrol: that probably works too
[18:12] <ipatrol> dbacc: for some reason it doesn't by default install X, probably because they keep experimenting with Wayland
[18:13] <TJ-> dbacc: the display manager may be different, it'll start with lightdm; kubuntu uses sddm
[18:13] <compdoc> dbacc, there is usually a difference. I install ubuntu server, then a minimal Mate desktop. that way you dont get all the stuff you dont use
[18:13] <lukas_> How can I restart fail2ban on freebsd? does anyone know?
[18:14] <tgm4883> lukas_: "apt-get install fail2ban"?
[18:14] <Queenslayer> Someone recommended a tool that helps battery life? I can't remember its name.  Does anyone know of any battery-saving program on linux?
[18:14] <ipatrol> compdoc: well if he's pulling in kubuntu-full, he's going to get all those apps
[18:14] <dbacc> ipatrol: TJ- but the kde-packages and configurations installed should be exactly the same (besides display manager) ?
[18:14] <pzn> is there any IRC channel for linux commands like grep, sed, sort, head... ?
[18:14] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I don't think apt exists on FreeBSD
[18:14] <Queenslayer> Power-something something....
[18:14] <ipatrol> pzn: ##linux
[18:14] <ipatrol> lukas_: have you tried asking #FreeBSD ?
[18:14] <svm_invictvs> So trying to recover my hosed box
[18:14] <tgm4883> ipatrol: oh I assumed since we were in the #ubuntu channel that we would be supporting ubuntu
[18:15] <svm_invictvs> WHich uses LVM for the root partition and I"m not able to mount it.
[18:15] <ipatrol> tgm4883: he asked about FreeBSD in the question
[18:15] <svm_invictvs> Is there a guide somewhere on mounting the LVM partition from the LiveCD?  I looked at a few guides and I wasn't able to get anything working, but I can confirm I can talk to the hardware and it sees the disks
[18:15] <tgm4883> ipatrol: perhaps I needed a /s
[18:15] <ipatrol> what's a /s ?
[18:16] <TJ-> dbacc: There might be some custom configs done by the kubuntu ISO installer that don't happen from regular package installs, but I've not looked at that in a while. Best to ask in #kubuntu I think it is,  or #kubuntu-devel
[18:16] <Queenslayer> tgm4883, no you need a personality
[18:16] <tgm4883> ipatrol: /sarcasm
[18:16] <tgm4883> Queenslayer: wow
[18:16] <ipatrol> ah, I thought we use " ;-) " for that
[18:16] <lukas_> how can i connect to another channel in xchat? :D
[18:17] <ipatrol> lukas_: /join #freebsd
[18:17] <tgm4883> lukas_: '/join #channelname'
[18:17] <lukas_> oh thanks <3
[18:17] <TJ-> Queenslayer: powertop ?
[18:17] <Queenslayer> great TJ!
[18:17] <Queenslayer> Thanks
[18:17] <Queenslayer> I think that's the one
[18:18] <jrminot> I'm somewhat new to ubuntu and I'm testing a custom ui that someone set up. I have grub set up so that it boots to text, and then tty1 auto logs in a user, and then that user has a bashrc file that auto starts x. This means I see the gui on startup. If i switch to terminal via alt ctrl r1, and then try to switch to find the ui, its just a black screen. Any thoughts?
[18:18] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: considering we get people in here all the time who have literally no clue what they're doing, sarcasm is probably rarely helpful, or appropriate
[18:18] <Queenslayer> agreed ipatrol
[18:19]  * tgm4883 feels jaded
[18:19] <pzn> ipatrol, tks
[18:20] <ipatrol> sometimes I'm amazed how they even got as far as figuring out how to use the IRC client :-/
[18:21] <slima> ;)
[18:21] <slima> hm, anyhelp?
[18:21] <TJ-> jrminot: that sounds .... 'weird' ... because that's precisely what the standard default display manager does when a user is configured for auto-login
[18:21] <tgm4883> slima: what's your question?
[18:22] <curlyears> I wanted to ask if this seems like a rational conficuration for a 16.04 platform:    250GB SDD, with 24GB partitioned as swap, 2GB as /boot, and the remainder as /.  The a 3TB drive as /'home, and 1 500GB as /home/<username>
[18:22] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildflags it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add CPPFLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage?
[18:23] <tgm4883> curlyears: swap seems high
[18:23] <ipatrol> curlyears: make sure to use GPT/uEFI on that setup, if you can
[18:24] <curlyears> tgm4883: given my hardware configuration, that is what both 14.04.4 and 16.04 set swap to if left to their own devices.  I have 24GB of RAM
[18:24] <davidmichaelkarr> I'm seeing an odd symptom with 16 vs 14. I have VMs of both, and I can run VMWare Horizon View on both to get to a remote Hosted Virtual Desktop. I connect a USB headset to the laptop.  Sound input/output works ok on the HVD running from the 14 VM, but I only get output on the HVD running from the 16 VM.
[18:24] <ipatrol> tgm4883: as a general rule, swap >= RAM
[18:24] <curlyears> ipatrol:  yes, it *HAS* to be gpfm given the size of my main HDD
[18:25] <fedoen> curlyears: I put my swap on the hdd and /home on ssd for speed
[18:25] <jrminot> TJ: Sorry, I'm very new to X and Display/Window Managers. I wanted the custom gui to start on login (which it is) but switching away from it seems to prevent successfully getting back to it. There is another machine I am comparing against that allows you to switch away and back to the guid using alt ctrl F7 or F8 (can't remember which)
[18:25] <fedoen> curlyears: if you think your swap will ever get used maybe ssd is better choice for speed
[18:25] <curlyears> fedoen:  wouldn't swap want to ty fast for performance?
[18:26] <ipatrol> curlyears: I've given serious thought to changing over my setup to uEFI, but right now it'd be such a hassle
[18:26] <fedoen> curlyears: the /home for performance
[18:26] <ipatrol> fedoen: putting swap on an SSD is a great way to destroy the thing
[18:26] <curlyears> I have been informed that swap will likely seldom, if ever get used.  24GB is a lot of room
[18:26] <fedoen> curlyears: /swap on hdd for the heavy read/write
[18:26] <Queenslayer> curlyears, I'm running mine without swap
[18:26] <ipatrol> curlyears: swap also holds your system state for hibernation
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears:  but as ipatrol said it will run ssd out soon
[18:27] <Queenslayer> I've got 8gb so I hardly need it
[18:27] <curlyears> ah, but I will need more than is available on the SSD for /home
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears: you need more for storage, movies, etc...
[18:27] <fedoen> curlyears: that can stay on hdd
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: I have a 128GB ssd with 60G free
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: /home on ssd
[18:28] <ipatrol> curlyears: the other thing you need to consider, is possibly using a filesystem appropriate for an SSD
[18:28] <curlyears> I don't store movies, I *MAY* store some music as .mp3s, but nmot much.  I need storage for 3D models and gcode files, etc., in support of my 3D printer
[18:28] <tgm4883> You could also setup the SSD as a cache
[18:28] <crs> Queenslayer: Powertop ?
[18:28] <fedoen> curlyears: downloads and stuff on hdd
[18:28] <Queenslayer> crs, yeah
[18:29] <Queenslayer> TJ- has already mentioned it but thanks
[18:29] <curlyears> yeah, downloads on the HDD for sure
[18:29] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, am I missing out?
[18:29] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, by not having any swap?
[18:29] <cinnabin> How can I use extended partition for installing Ubuntu?
[18:29] <snckrs> Can someone send me a link for a ubuntu 15.04 iso?
[18:29] <fedoen> curlyears: not using 3d printer, not used on big files
[18:29] <rick6860> super plus arrows keys does not move a window
[18:29] <k1l> cinnabin: make an extended partition and put all ubuntu partitions in it
[18:29] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: probably yes
[18:29] <fedoen> curlyears: I'm a php developer so my files are pretty small
[18:29] <curlyears> with 24GB of RAM< I find it highkly unlikely that I'll really ever use swap
[18:30] <tgm4883> Queenslayer: probably not. I ran without swap for while. You can't hibernate without it
[18:30] <ipatrol> depends on your workload
[18:30] <k1l> rick6860: hold super-key for shortcut table
[18:30] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, it's only temporary
[18:30] <ipatrol> the other thing to consider, is that RAM uses more electricity than swap
[18:30] <fedoen> curlyears: you can setup swap on hdd if you need hibernation as ipatrol pointed out
[18:30] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, valid point
[18:30] <curlyears> I want my main system on SSD (including /bin, /usr/bin, etc., to sopeed up user interface responses times
[18:30] <cinnabin> k11: it's for an ubuntu installation in a dual boot, how can I turn a free space into an extended partition? using win7 atm
[18:31] <k1l> curlyears: honestly: why do you make things extreme complicated again?
[18:31] <Queenslayer> cinnabin, disk management?
[18:31] <ipatrol> !gparted | cinnabin
[18:31] <rick6860> k1l, held super and nothing happened
[18:31] <tgm4883> ipatrol: you're talking about sleep vs hibernation right?
[18:31] <ipatrol> tgm4883: true hibernation, not sleep
[18:31] <curlyears> not ,uch point in hibernation on a full\ sized desktop, is there
[18:31] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, he's on windows
[18:31] <k1l> curlyears: what about you make a easy setup like / and /home on sdd and datapartitions on hdd?
[18:31] <curlyears> s/uch/much/
[18:31] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: that's what the LiveCD is for
[18:31] <k1l> rick6860: what desktop do you use?
[18:31] <tgm4883> ipatrol: because if you aren't, I don't see how SWAP uses less than RAM in a running system
[18:32] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, I partitioned mine before hand
[18:32] <Queenslayer> Makes it a bit safer IMO
[18:32] <rick6860> k1l, ubuntu mate
[18:32] <curlyears> k1l:  there you ge being reasonable again, doggone you!
[18:32] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: but he said he already had the free space
[18:32] <fedoen> curlyears: think of how much you need for storage and how much for the working system
[18:32] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, you're right, didn't see that
[18:33] <ipatrol> k1l: I've worked with embedded systems, where it's not uncommon to have a fairly complex mounting setup
[18:33] <fedoen> curlyears:  you can store/open big files from the hdd while the system and home dir are on the ssd
[18:33] <noob45> I have some problems with ubuntu 1. when I try to mount via terminal an external or internal cd rom it gaves the message :  can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab
[18:33] <noob45> any help
[18:33] <fedoen> curlyears: everything that needs to load fast is on ssd
[18:33] <ipatrol> seems overkill for a desktop though, unless he's using it for some serious biznes
[18:33] <k1l> ipatrol: yes. but for beginner users this is just a big compley layer that will result in desaster in most times.
[18:33] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, you've reminded me why my system was consuming so much power compared with windows 10
[18:34] <rick6860> k1l, ubuntu mate
[18:34] <curlyears> that does seem like a better solution, yes.   So, / and /home on SDD, /home/<username> on HDD as well as any other partitions I need.
[18:34] <k1l> ipatrol: there are reasons for complex setups for servers etc. but for home pc with one ssd and one hdd and a beginner in front of it? no.
[18:34] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I ain't touching Windows10 with a ten-meter pole
[18:35] <effectnet> did you see all the key-collecting and mic-collecting data you are signing off on?
[18:35] <noob45> I have some problems with ubuntu 1. when I try to mount via terminal an external or internal cd rom it gaves the message :  can't find /cdrom in /etc/fstab. any help?
[18:35] <fedoen> curlyears: how much ram does your system usually eat while running your 3d apps?
[18:35] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, I don't mind it either way.  It's just for some Windozers that might occasionally use my laptop
[18:35] <k1l> rick6860: ok, i dont know the shortcuts for mate.
[18:35] <ipatrol> curlyears: usually you just put the whole /home directory on one partiton
[18:35] <fedoen> curlyears: put the /home/user on the same partition
[18:36] <fedoen> curlyears: and make a folder for the user on the hdd
[18:36] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I have 7 for stuff like windows-only software I have to use, but 10 scares me
[18:36] <ElLoco> hi, how can i remove an EFI partition from a pendrive?
[18:36] <curlyears> fedoen:  I haven't tested that as yet.  Will be once I replace the {SU on the box
[18:36] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, why?
[18:36] <cinnabin> queenslayer, if i were to create an extended partition in win for an ubuntu installation, which file system should i choose?
[18:36] <fedoen> curlyears: which you can bookmark and access easy from file manager
[18:36] <k1l> curlyears: i would even put your whole /home onto the ssd. just use the hdd for storage of the big data stuff like pictures, movies and music (or what you store there). and mount that to /mnt/storage in your /etc/fstab
[18:37] <Queenslayer> cinnabin, doesn't matter
[18:37] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I'd rather not have Redmond and Langley be given a detailed report of my actions every day
[18:37] <Queenslayer> You're going to reformat it anyway
[18:37] <effectnet> theres a webpage for win 10 that explains.  it basically collects all keystrokes and mic activity.  also by you using it, you're signing off privacy on a lot of your data too, and it's weird there will be no further os's?  what?
[18:37] <Queenslayer> You're just creating space that the liveCd can read
[18:37] <curlyears> hmmm
[18:37] <ipatrol> effectnet: "no further OSs", you mean like a rolling release?
[18:37] <effectnet> i dont know
[18:38] <curlyears> I was just considering the simplicity of the pathnames, is why I wanted to mount /home/<username> for MY username, on the big drive
[18:38] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, is it really that bad?
[18:38] <cinnabin> queenslayer, so the livecd will let me create a swap & ext4 partitions out of that extended partition? (it's all because i can't do it as a free space)
[18:38] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: actually it's much worse. I stopped reading after a point
[18:38] <Queenslayer> oh yeah cinnabin
[18:38] <Queenslayer> You can do it from within
[18:38] <Queenslayer> But it's better to make it all beforehand
[18:39] <cinnabin> queenslayer, thank you. i'll give it a go
[18:39] <Queenslayer> So make the sizes from windows
[18:39] <k1l> curlyears: the /mnt/storage will be shown in your file browser too.
[18:39] <curlyears> K1l:   OK..not familiar enough with this file browser to have known that
[18:40] <ipatrol> curlyears: I have a similar thing going on with my internal HDD and a 2TB external NAS drive connected via CIFS
[18:40] <fedoen> curlyears: if in doubt just go with the defaults and see where you get in trouble and after that you can tweak things (a reinstall might be needed) but as k1l is pointing out you can mount that folder and it's available in file manager, I have the same setup
[18:40] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, did you manage to monitor it or is is anecdotal evidence?
[18:41] <ipatrol> Queenslayer: I won't let that thing into my house, but I've picked up some traffic while sniffing on public networks
[18:41] <curlyears> see?  people *DO* get excellent help and advice in here!
[18:41] <Queenslayer> ipatrol, not directed at you, but there's also scope for exaggeration.  That said, I wouldn't put it past Microsoft
[18:42] <fedoen> curlyears: install on the ssd with default options, except I moved my swap on hdd (if I ever need it)  16GB of ram and never filled
[18:42] <ipatrol> suspicious traffic going back to not only Microsoft, but also Amazon
[18:42] <plytro> does anyone have a link to that mouse cursor bug when you come back from suspend/sleep?
[18:42] <k1l> curlyears: how big is the ssd?
[18:42] <k1l> bug 1568604
[18:42] <curlyears> fedoen: yeah, I have 24GB RAM...what are the chances I'll need swap space?
[18:42] <ipatrol> k1l: 250GB he said
[18:43] <Fiki> I want to add to the Ubuntu SSH Wiki page about Eliptic cruve private keys (mainly because they are faster)
[18:43] <curlyears> K1l:  250GB Samsung EVO850
[18:43] <k1l> ok, that is more than enough for a regular system.
[18:43] <tgm4883> curlyears: that's not really something we can answer. You mentioned you dealt with large 3d files
[18:43] <ipatrol> curlyears: one of the things to consider about computing hardware, is that usage patterns almost inevitably expand to fill them
[18:44] <k1l> plytro: see the bots message
[18:44] <curlyears> tgm4883: by "large" I am meaning on the ordert of 100MB to 1GB each
[18:44] <tgm4883> curlyears: oh, then you'll probably be fine
[18:44] <ipatrol> you could probably run a sweet BOINC node off of that
[18:44] <curlyears> ipatrol:  usage will always expand to fit capacity
[18:45] <ipatrol> curlyears: so even though you don't think you need swap *now*, it's probably best to allocate it anyway
[18:45] <fedoen> curlyears: as I said, I don't use 3d printers, not sure how much ram would that consume, swap can be setup later also
[18:45] <ipatrol> fedoen: assuming he leaves free space on any of his drives
[18:45] <fedoen> curlyears: my default install put swap on ssd and I moved it, easy to do in a few steps
[18:46] <derduschka> hello and good evening
[18:46] <ipatrol> fedoen: the other thing you can do, is change the kernel's "swappiness"
[18:46] <fedoen> ipatrol: true, but 2-3DVDs for backup and there's room :)
[18:46] <curlyears> ipatrol:  is it acceptable (or even possible) to set up a swap space that's less than your RAM space
[18:46] <ipatrol> and leave the swap on SSD
[18:46] <ipatrol> curlyears: yes, but you won't be able to hibernate
[18:46] <plytro> k1l: thanks
[18:46] <tgm4883> curlyears: yea
[18:47] <derduschka> i search ubuntu help chat channel for german
[18:47] <ipatrol> !de | derduschka
[18:47] <curlyears> OK, isn't hibernation really only relevant to laptop/notebook systems?
[18:47] <fedoen> curlyears: as said before without hibernation you might never touch swap on 24GB of RAM
[18:48] <fedoen> curlyears: you can use it on desktop for fast startup but given my 12s boot time on ssd not really needed
[18:48] <ipatrol> fedoen: except from my experience, 3D CAD/CAM applications eat memory like sharks eat guppies
[18:48] <derduschka> ubottu vieleicht kannst du mir helfen, bei mein problem mit dem dvd laufwerk controller?
[18:49] <fedoen> ipatrol: I know, but that's usually rendering that takes more, the file itself should use it's size for opening?
[18:49] <curlyears> ipatrol:  my build volume os 11.9X11.9X10 .   I don't think my 3D files will expand to or beyond 24GB
[18:49] <ipatrol> fedoen: depends on how the file gets loaded
[18:49] <ipatrol> 3D files are frequently compressed on disk
[18:49] <fedoen> ipatrol: not getting into details here as I didn't play enough with 3D
[18:50] <fedoen> ipatrol: and if a file is 1GB compressed that's bad lol
[18:50] <ipatrol> fedoen: s'ok, I'm a CAD veteran
[18:51] <fedoen> curlyears: by now you should already have your system up and running lol
[18:51] <curlyears> the 3D files (mostly .stl) haven't exceeded 100MB for a fairly complex model of an Hungarian Palace.
[18:51] <TJ-> hibernation is good for saving a complex session state in the event of power loss, such as a mains outage and UPS getting close to shutdown point
[18:51] <ipatrol> curlyears: again, if you're going to use an SSD, make sure to use an appropriate filesystem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_systems#File_systems_optimized_for_flash_memory.2C_solid_state_media
[18:52] <curlyears> fedoen: yes, I should, but apparently I have a flakey PSU which has led me a merry chase. )-: )-:
[18:52] <ipatrol> TJ-: heck, I just find it useful when I have to leave, and saving all my state would take a considerable amount of time
[18:52] <curlyears> ipatrol:  can't I just format it to ext4?
[18:52] <fedoen> curlyears: try it on for 2 days with defaults and see if you have troubles, watch over your ram usage, swap if it comes to it and you can tweak from there
[18:53] <ipatrol> curlyears: you can, but I wouldn't recommend it
[18:53] <ipatrol> SSDs have different usage considerations than HDDs, you could end up shortening its operational lifespan if you do things wrong
[18:53] <TJ-> ipatrol: indeed, that too, many desktop/workstation users don't see its value
[18:53] <jak2000> ipatrol are you there?
[18:54] <ipatrol> TJ-: I find it very useful as a laptop user, since I don't like having the thing on, generating heat, in a laptop bag
[18:54] <tgm4883> ipatrol: so what do you format your SSD drives with?
[18:55] <k1l> curlyears: ext4 for ssds is fine
[18:55] <TJ-> ipatrol: S3 suspend for retaining RAM content shouldn't generate heat :)
[18:55] <xaviergmail> Consider disabling journaling for ssds
[18:55] <tgm4883> ipatrol: you've lost me in the last few minutes
[18:55] <ipatrol> tgm4883: the two primary choices are NILFS, and F2FS
[18:56] <k1l> curlyears: again: you could use a super duper ssd filesystem, that is still experimental and will eat your data. but dont come here and cry then :)
[18:56] <jak2000> ipatrol http://postimg.org/image/3xuocbc8x/
[18:56] <jak2000> cant pastebin
[18:56] <ipatrol> k1l: it's fine in the short run, but it's not good from a wear usage consideration
[18:56] <k1l> ipatrol: for regular enduser you will liekely exeed the lifespan of a hdd with running ntfs or ext4 on the ssd.
[18:57] <tgm4883> ipatrol: Yea I'm not sure I'm with you on that one
[18:57] <k1l> ipatrol: the panic about lifespan was when ssds were generation 1. which had lots of issues.
[18:57] <k1l> please dont hype the myths about ssds, that come from 1st gen devices. same with the old ram myths that come from times when ram was 100mb
[18:58] <ipatrol> k1l: it's not as bad now as it used to be, but it really can't hurt to try to keep it usable as long as possible
[18:58] <nimu> hiii guys...
[18:58] <ipatrol> k1l: my field is in the semiconductor industry, I kinda know this stuff
[18:58] <tgm4883> k1l: ipatrol: http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
[18:59] <tgm4883> ipatrol: wait, did you just drop credentials in here?
[18:59] <k1l> ipatrol: ext4 is optimized for sdds and its super stable and well tested and supported.
[18:59]  * tgm4883 goes back to work
[18:59] <svm_invictvs> How relevant is this  still? http://www.linuxwave.info/2007/11/mounting-lvm-disk-using-ubuntu-livecd.html
[18:59] <ipatrol> tgm4883: if you're going to patronize me, yeah
[19:00] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I'm just pointing out that endurance test
[19:01] <k1l> ipatrol: i bet with you that the user wil have reinstalled 20 times until the ssd comes to its wear level. so that is all just theoretical and doesnt help in this beginners channel anyway.
[19:01] <ipatrol> " It has been proven to cause a performance degradation instead of a performance increase under certain circumstances.[173][174] As of January 2014, Linux sends an individual TRIM command to each sector, instead of a vectorized list defining a TRIM range as recommended by the TRIM specification.[175] This deficiency has existed for years and there are no known plans to eliminate it."
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> Hi there, I'm on ubuntu and after updates and a reboot my samba server won't work
[19:01] <fedoen> both you guys seem to know what are you talking about so I'm going to stick to my ext4 filesystem :)
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> when i try to stop it , it says unknown instance
[19:01] <circ-user-i2ztY> googled for a bit now and no real solution
[19:01] <tgm4883> Would it be possible to move this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss ?
[19:02] <circ-user-i2ztY> tried to purge everything and reinstall but no go
[19:02] <ipatrol> tgm4883: soitenly
[19:02] <fedoen> so fstrim since you brought that up?!
[19:03] <fedoen> on ext4 ssd
[19:03] <ipatrol> k1l: I was under the impression we were a support channel, not a "beginners channel"
[19:03] <fedoen> support is mostly for begginers
[19:03] <fedoen> :)
[19:03] <ipatrol> fedoen: it's cute that you think that
[19:03] <k1l> ipatrol: telling a beginner to make complex partition layouts and use experimental filesystems is not what i call good support.
[19:04] <fedoen> I'm a begginer on many things, been using ubuntu (desktop) since 2007
[19:04] <tgm4883> in any cause, none of this discussion is support
[19:04] <curlyears> Great Ghu!!!!!   There are  HUNDREDS of file systems to choose from.  How do I select one most compatible with my operation?
[19:04] <ipatrol> k1l: I was advising him to simplify his layout a bit, but I was also advising him on possible performance and hardware considerations, of which he already said were important to him
[19:04] <k1l> tgm4883: yep.
[19:05] <fedoen> got curlyears more lost than he was before you guys :)
[19:05] <k1l> curlyears: the standard for ubuntu is ext4. it works well with ssds since it got trim support.
[19:06] <ipatrol> curlyears: as a rule, F2FS for thouroughput, NILFS for low latency
[19:06] <ipatrol> or ext4, as k1l said
[19:07] <ipatrol> everything else is either obsolete or highly experimental
[19:07] <curlyears> and are F2FS and NILFS available as choices in grub2  gparted when I lay out the partitions?
[19:07] <k1l> does the installer even support f2fs? is there a proper fsck for f2fs?
[19:07] <ipatrol> curlyears: I know NILFS is supported by gparted
[19:07] <curlyears> I asked about using ext4 earlier, someone implied it would be a mistake to do so
[19:07] <k1l> iirc f2fs is still marked experimental, be very caution with that curlyears
[19:08] <k1l> curlyears: again: ext4 works on millions of ssds.
[19:08] <curlyears> yeah, I don't want to mess about with experimental stuff.
[19:09] <ipatrol> k1l: NILFS has been out since 2008
[19:09] <circ-user-i2ztY> can't restart or stop service smbd unknown instance (help much appreciated) :(
[19:09] <tgm4883> ipatrol: isn't the rule of thumb 10 years?
[19:09] <ipatrol> F2FS is admittedly much newer
[19:09] <curlyears> I think I'll be non-creative, and format the partitions as ext4
[19:10] <k1l> ipatrol: i bet you personally support all issues with f2fs and nilfs then when the users come back in here with issues?
[19:10] <ipatrol> tgm4883: ext4 became stable in 2008 also
[19:10] <k1l> ipatrol: "has been stable" vs "came out"
[19:11] <ipatrol> curlyears: at this point, if you don't understand these things in detail, it's probably best to just put your whole system on a single ext4 partition
[19:11] <ipatrol> and save the HDD for a seperate mount point
[19:11] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I feel like there's a small difference between F2FS v1, and EXT v4
[19:11] <k1l> ipatrol: i am sorry to be so pedantic about that. but we have seen users advertising the latest and greatest in here, and the next day when the system was a mess the advertiser was not here to clear the mess.
[19:11] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I said NILFS, fyi
[19:11] <curlyears> *wow*  didn't expect to raise this level of controversy with such a simple question
[19:12] <tgm4883> ipatrol: I feel like there's a small difference between NILFS v1, and EXT v4
[19:12] <curlyears> *blush*  somehow, I generate trouble even when I am behaving myself
[19:13] <ipatrol> tgm4883: FWIW, I use btrfs on my home partition. Never gave me any problems.
[19:13] <tgm4883> ipatrol: wait, why are we talking about BTRFS now?
[19:14] <curlyears> ipatrol:  In what siginificant was is BTRFS different from and/or better than EXT4?
[19:14] <ipatrol> here_we_go_again.jpg
[19:14] <tgm4883> ipatrol: TBF, you did bring it up
[19:15] <ipatrol> tgm4883: I didn't expect it to become another question
[19:15] <curlyears> s.was.ways.
[19:15] <tgm4883> curlyears: ext4, just go ext4
[19:16] <curlyears> ipatrol:  well, you obviously had reasons for switching to btrfs, please explain them
[19:16] <ipatrol> Btrfs is where Linux filesystems are *going*, but it's only been stable for two years
[19:16] <tgm4883> curlyears: that's not a support question
[19:16] <fedoen> curlyears: ssd will bring you speed anyway, I'm using it on ext4 for 1yr now and haven't got any issues, partitioning is the default install, going deep into filesystem choice means you have to understand them first, which you crearly don't now (no offence), I don't either so I stick to the defaults, if you're worried about lifespan welcome aboard :)
[19:18] <curlyears> tgm4883:  I feel it is, as I need to understand the differences between various filesystem in use
[19:18] <k1l> curlyears: honestly: go with the standard this time and keep your self away from trouble
[19:19] <tgm4883> curlyears: no you don't and no it isn't. You would need to know about the filesystems that you use. If you want to know about other filesystems, this isn't the place for it. (you can read about the merits of filesystems in a variety of other places)
[19:19] <tgm4883> but all it's doing is clogging up this channel
[19:19] <ipatrol> curlyears: the benefits of btrfs are mostly administrative. They probably won
[19:19] <ipatrol> 't concern you
[19:19] <curlyears> tonight at 20:00 CDT, a new "reality" series executive produced by, believe it or not Dr. Stephen Hawking will debut on PBS
[19:19] <tgm4883> curlyears: off topic
[19:19] <ipatrol> curlyears: please stop, this is not a discussion channel
[19:20] <ipatrol> go ask ##linux if you want to know more about filesystems and partitioning schemes
[19:22] <fedoen> can I use pki token with adobe on ubuntu?
[19:23] <ipatrol> fedoen: I didn't know Adobe ran on Linux
[19:23] <fedoen> ipatrol: older version
[19:23] <ipatrol> Heck if we know
[19:23] <fedoen> ipatrol: can't read from token though
[19:24] <ipatrol> we try not to make it a habit of offering support for proprietary software
[19:24] <fedoen> ipatrol: not sure what software to use, I just got my hands on a token and can't even read it
[19:25] <ipatrol> fedoen: "got my hands on", ok, you need to STOP. We're not going to advise you on how to break the law either
[19:25] <fedoen> ipatrol: lol
[19:25] <fedoen> ipatrol: I bought an pki token for electronic signing some documents
[19:26] <ipatrol> fedoen: "pki" is a general class of technologies, it depends on which PKI you're talking about
[19:26] <fedoen> ipatrol: and I wanted to know if I can get it working under ubuntu so I don't have to boot windows
[19:27] <fedoen> ipatrol: it's an athena dongle, not sure about the right terms to use to describe it, that's why google wouldn't help me :)
[19:28] <ipatrol> fedoen: I think they're usually called "smartcards"
[19:28] <OerHeks> fedoen, pki, you mean GPG key ?
[19:28] <fedoen> ipatrol: sorry, my english is not that good
[19:28] <ipatrol> OerHeks: no, it's a cryptoprocessor smartcard
[19:30] <ipatrol> fedoen: is it this thing?: http://www.athena-scs.com/products-solutions/enterprise/pki#IDProtect%20Key%20LASER
[19:31] <OerHeks> !info dogtag-pki
[19:31] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dogtag-pki
[19:31] <fedoen> ipatrol: something like that, not the exact one, but yes
[19:32] <ipatrol> fedoen: drivers are available at http://www.athena-scs.com/support/software-driver-downloads
[19:32] <ich_dien> I'm attempting to install ST3 on ubuntu.
[19:32] <ipatrol> OerHeks: I don't think that will help him, because it's a different PKI altogether
[19:32] <ich_dien> I'm ading the repo from https://askubuntu.com/questions/172698/how-do-i-install-sublime-text-2-3 to make install easier
[19:33] <fedoen> ipatrol: lol, when you know where to look
[19:33] <ich_dien> How do I find/verify the gpgkey for ST3??
[19:33] <fedoen> ipatrol: I will give it a shot
[19:33] <ipatrol> ich_dien: ...we usually don't recommend people add repos to their system
[19:33] <ich_dien> ipatrol, because it's third party??
[19:33] <ipatrol> ich_dien: and because that particular piece of software is proprietary
[19:34] <OerHeks> ich_dien, the command includes getting the GPG key from our servers.
[19:34] <OerHeks> add-apt-repository
[19:35] <ich_dien> OerHeks, So adding the repo automatically includes geeting key from server?
[19:35] <ich_dien> So why is it frowned upon for installing this way??
[19:35] <OerHeks> and the key is on launchpad
[19:35] <OerHeks> no frown, just a warning with ppa's
[19:35] <ich_dien> If I just DL tar then I have to find all the dependencies and install them seperately
[19:36] <OerHeks> btw sublime text 3 is out too old article .. https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/ubuntu/sublime-text-3
[19:36] <ipatrol> OerHeks: PPAs are just one kind of third-party repository. In general, it's a bad idea to start adding them
[19:37] <ipatrol> certainly without a great deal of care and attention
[19:37] <ipatrol> !nonfree | ich_dien
[19:38] <OerHeks> let's say we warned him, ok? it is not from a repo OUTSIDE launchpad...
[19:38] <workbook> hello
[19:38] <workbook> hey how to use sticky notes in ubuntu
[19:39] <workbook> anybdy her
[19:39] <ipatrol> impatient much?
[19:40] <OerHeks> !find sticky
[19:41] <OerHeks> !find notes
[19:41] <ich_dien> ubottu, thanks
[19:41] <mherweg> how can i route telphony (sip,rdp) via eth0  and all the rest via eth1 ?
[19:42] <ipatrol> !iptables | mherweg
[19:42] <ich_dien> as you said I'm getting this from launchpad but is there anyway to make this process safer?
[19:42] <ipatrol> mherweg: if you're trying to reroute traffic, you usually use iptables
[19:43] <ipatrol> mherweg: is this a VOIP gateway or something?
[19:43] <RabbitD> is this me
[19:43] <ipatrol> ich_dien: add-apt-repository is the safest
[19:43] <ipatrol> RabbitD: cogito ergo sum? ;-)
[19:43] <ich_dien> ipatrol, okay...
[19:44] <RabbitD> ipatrol: its me
[19:44] <mherweg> can i have more than 1 default gateway?  it is a server with 2 uplinks
[19:45] <ipatrol> mherweg: again, all that stuff has to be done through iptables
[19:46] <ich_dien> Is it safe to remove the ppa after installing?
[19:46] <ipatrol> mherweg: try asking #ubuntu-server for more advice
[19:47] <mherweg> ok, thanks
[19:47] <TJ-> mherweg: you can create additional routing tables for specific traffic types and mark packets to indicate which routing table to use. It's called Policy Based Routing
[19:47] <ipatrol> ich_dien: usually not, since some package managers will remove it
[19:47] <ipatrol> the package
[19:47] <TJ-> mherweg: there's an overview and intro here: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[19:48] <ipatrol> mherweg: also try asking ##linux and ##networking , since what you're trying to do is pretty high-level stuff
[19:48] <RabbitD> so why on the #linux channel it says " Cannot send to channel"
[19:48] <reisio> /msg nickserv help register; /msg nickserv help identify
[19:49] <Pici> RabbitD: ##linux requires that you are registered an identified to nickserv to join.
[19:49] <RabbitD> thanks Pici
[19:49] <reisio> has to do with the IRC server staff being too inept to implement server-side anti-spam measures
[19:49] <RabbitD> its better in here anyway
[19:50] <RabbitD> their loss
[19:50] <reisio> good attitude
[19:51] <RabbitD> :i have ubuntu installed on two machines
[19:51] <ipatrol> reisio: sometimes it's not spam. Often it's trolls, and there's really no server-side measure for trolls
[19:51] <RabbitD> well one install I use xfce and now it says its lubuntu
[19:51] <RabbitD> :)
[19:52] <reisio> trolls only work when people respond to them, they aren't a real problem as much as people unable to ignore a person are :p
[19:52] <ipatrol> reisio: I used to think that was true. I understand now that most of a troll's validation comes from other trolls, not the target
[19:52] <ipatrol> They could troll a soap carving if others thought it was funny
[19:53] <reisio> oh they have a review process? :p
[19:53] <ipatrol> reisio: oddly, yes
[19:53] <EriC^^> trollology
[19:53] <ipatrol> it's called 4chan
[19:53] <reisio> heh
[19:53] <reisio> EriC^^: trololololology?
[19:54] <ipatrol> and there's always a back-and-forth dynamic going on
[19:54] <ipatrol> reisio: lolololol
[19:54] <ipatrol> but seriously folks, let's stay on topic
[19:54] <guntbert> ipatrol: reisio back to support please
[19:54] <reisio> ipatrol: get back to support!
[19:54] <tmwsiy> I am looking for some help with apparmor. I have an ubuntu 14 host and ubuntu 16 guest and they are fighting over audio it seems. I can;t get them both to work and I see some DENIED messages on startup in the pulse directories
[19:55] <ipatrol> tmwsiy: so the problem is with Pulse?
[19:55] <reisio> tmwsiy: what vm app?
[19:55] <tmwsiy> ipatrol: qemu, I think it is with either pulse or the apparmor profile
[19:56] <reisio> probably just your qemu config, or lack thereof
[19:56] <reisio> might ask #kvm
[19:56] <ipatrol> tmwsiy: you probably haven't enabled all the things the guest needs to have audio access
[19:57] <ipatrol> anyway, I'll be back later
[19:57] <reisio> lates
[19:57]  * reisio also also splits
[19:57] <RabbitD> ##java wont even let me join
[19:57] <RabbitD> harsh
[19:57] <alexmh> RabbitD, are you registered on freenode?
[19:58] <Pici> !register
[19:58] <RabbitD> how do i go about registering on freenode?
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> !register
[19:58] <RabbitD> !register
[19:59] <OerHeks> register and open your RabbitD email, chase the mouse to inbox
[19:59] <LeftFootBraker> Hi Folks! -I just tried to install PulseAudio Systemtray via synaptic on a 14.04 install, it didn't work... are there any known issues with this?
[19:59] <RabbitD> i'll figure it out ty
[20:01] <OerHeks> LeftFootBraker, did you run updates first?
[20:02] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: damn! -I did not... :-( -sorry to bother with my stupidity...
[20:02] <OerHeks> have fun!
[20:02] <LeftFootBraker> s/bother/bother you/
[20:02] <jak2000> ipatrol fixed my eth problem :)
[20:03] <tmwsiy> ipatrol: Thanks, the weird thing is that it did work fine earlier today. I installed cheese so I could troubleshoot my webcam so I could authenticate for a coursera course and WOW, my day went south fast
[20:05] <vayan> is there a way to bypass a vpn locally ? with a domain. something like `route add netflix.com dev eth0` ?
[20:05] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: sorry to bother you again, but now I did update the packet-informations, but if I try to reinstall pasystray, synaptic doesn't want to downlaod it again... -so there seems to be no change for it?
[20:05] <bekks> vayan: Not unless you VPN administrator allows to do so.
[20:07] <vayan> bekks: oh it's just me, I have full control
[20:08] <bekks> vayan: then you have to configure your VPN for allowing local routes. And no, you cannot use a CNAME in routing.
[20:10] <vayan> yeah it'd be too hard without CNAME :/ thanks anyway bekks !
[20:11] <Jordan_U> vayan: Maybe you want to use a proxy rather than a VPN. Then you can easily have certain apps just not use the proxy.
[20:11] <davidmichaelkarr> I mentioned this a bit earlier, but I'm having trouble with sound input in a Hosted Virtual Desktop when I run it from Ubuntu 15 or 16, but not from 14.  Input works fine in the VM itself, just doesn't work in the HVD.
[20:12] <RabbitD> I made it 8-)
[20:13] <OerHeks> i don't know why you wanted to install PulseAudio Systemtray, LeftFootBraker
[20:14] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: What virtualization software are you using? Also note that there is no "Ubuntu 14" (or 15 or 16) there is Ubuntu 14.04, Ubuntu 14.10, Ubuntu 15.04, Ubuntu 15.10, and Ubuntu 16.04.
[20:15] <vfw> I understand that on some Distros /bin/ has become a symlink to /usr/bin/  (I've yet to move to 16.04 so,...) Is it a new thing for Ubuntu too?
[20:15] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: in synaptic there is a package, called pasystray, I tried to install before I updated the database and it didn't work, after updating the database synaptic informs it doesn't want to download anything, just install the package... -so the downloaded parts seem to be up-to-date?
[20:15] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I'm using VirtualBox. I'll get the actual versions of 14 and 15 in a sec.
[20:15] <OerHeks> and then pasystray,.. best mixer is pavucontrol
[20:16] <OerHeks> maybe you need to restart the audio server, or logout/login
[20:16] <stumo> suoma laisia paikalla
[20:16] <OerHeks> and mixing mixers ..
[20:16] <LeftFootBraker> just for your information, the only thing I wanted to add to my system is the ability to choose the sound-output to use another laptop which is connected to my stereo
[20:17] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: 14.04 and 15.10, and 16.04, of course.
[20:18] <LeftFootBraker> I'll try restarting the machine... -but shouldn't synaptic tell me when this is nessecary?... -be right back
[20:18] <OerHeks> pavucontrol and jack are the basics for such stream AFAIK
[20:21] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: How are you trying to record audio?
[20:21] <LeftFootBraker> I have to say, on "the other laptop" I have installed everything needed a few months ago... -I thought it was pasystray... but even if I tried to install the wrong package doesn't change the fact, that installing pasystray via synaptic didn't work... -this is the first time that synaptic has failed me... :-(
[20:24] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I've tested it with audacity and the system "Sound Recorder" app.  Note that the HVD is running Win7.
[20:24] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I'm running Audacity on all three hosts (hardware, VM, and HVD) for consistency.
[20:26] <LeftFootBraker> ok, now that I've played around with this a bit, I'm getting really confused... pavucontrol was already installed on this machine. I think I got something completly wrong... -thanks for your help OerHeks, I think I have to look up everything again...
[20:28] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: Input set to line in inaudacity for all tests?
[20:29] <vfw> From the lack of response, I assume Ubuntu isn't doning it yet... Ok.
[20:30] <OerHeks> LeftFootBraker, sounds like ubuntu-studio
[20:30] <OerHeks> !studio
[20:30] <Pici> vfw: I haven't noticed that on any 16.04 install I've done... then again I wasn't looking either.
[20:31] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Checking.
[20:31] <vfw> Pici: Ok.  Well, now that I read about it, I guess it makes *some* sense.  (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//usr_move)
[20:33] <vfw> Pici: Basically, it's just abandoining /bin to use /usr/bin only, (for simplicity sake).
[20:33] <mcphail> vfw: why? They are separate for a reason
[20:33] <vfw> Pici: And the symlink is just in case something or app is looking for something in /bin
[20:34] <Pici> vfw: its kind of confusing anyway, so I get that.
[20:34] <vfw> mcphail: Yea, but  for what reason?
[20:34] <vfw> Pici: mcphail If you read the article, it kind of makes sense.
[20:34] <voron> where i am ?
[20:34] <LeftFootBraker> OerHeks: isn't ubuntu-studio a derivate of ubuntu?
[20:34] <galgamach> just got an HD resolution screen... but everything is smaaaaal and my eyes are getting tired. Can I do something ?
[20:35] <vfw> voron: IRC?
[20:35] <mcphail> vfw: eveything you need to boot and mount disks goes into bin. Bigger things which arent essential go under /usr
[20:35] <LeftFootBraker> I am running only standard ubuntu on all my machines
[20:35] <k1l> vfw: on ubuntu there is the stuff in /bin that is meant to be needed for the systemstart. in /usr/bin its the stuff that is used for systemwide binaries that  could be mounted afterwards
[20:36] <mcphail> vfw: thereby only /bin needs to be on the root filesystem
[20:36] <k1l> vfw: reason is: /usr could be another partition with that setup that is mounted after some initial system is booted
[20:38] <mcphail> which is how one of my boxes (with a tiny root filesystem on internal flash) has to be set up
[20:38] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: I don't see "Line In" as an input in either Ubuntu or Win7 Audacity.
[20:38] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: What inputs are listed?
[20:38] <vfw> mcphail: Well, I must admit, that seems to be a reason not to do it....
[20:39] <vfw> maybe....
[20:40] <ryneke> hi everybody i have a question concerning the management of multiple keyrings with seahorse: is it possible to assign certain keyrings to certain programs? or more general: if a program like evolution is asking for a password can i tell it to save the password not in the default login-keyring but in some other keyring?
[20:41] <ryneke> if a prog is asking for a pw there's always only a checkbox to "save in your keyring" - am i wrong here or is it kind of obvious that you would like to have a choice as to in which keyring you put the pw?
[20:41] <vfw> At any rate, I jsut now discovered the concept - was wondering how many distros were doing it, and if Ubuntu planned to or not.  It's an interesting concept, maybe not for everyone but it does seem to simplify things just a bit.
[20:42] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: On the Win7 box, there is "Primary Sound Capture Driver" and "Microphone Array (VMWare..."
[20:42] <k1l> vfw: right now i am not aware of that plans for ubuntu.
[20:42] <mcphail> vfw: i cant see debian doing it, so would doubt ubuntu would do it
[20:43] <vfw> Ok, fair enough...
[20:45] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: And in the Ubuntu guest?
[20:47] <mcphail> vfw: http://termbin.com/ixlr is my old mediaserver box. No way I could mount everything on /
[20:55] <michaeldexter> Any Canonical folks around?
[20:55] <k1l> michaeldexter: depends on the issue
[20:55] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: One sec, checking.
[20:55] <michaeldexter> k1l: Official hardware compatibility.
[20:56] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Says "default: line:0".
[20:56] <k1l> michaeldexter: you want your hardware to be certified?
[20:57] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: And remember, audacity in ubuntu is working, it's just audacity in the Win7 guest that isn't working, but only when the hosting VM is 15 or 16.  It works when hosted from the 14 VM.
[20:57] <michaeldexter> k1l: Yes, insofar as Supermicro in general.
[20:58] <Jordan_U> davidmichaelkarr: Ahh. I thouht that it was the guests that had different versions of Ubuntu, not the host.
[20:58] <lisa_> hi all people
[20:58] <k1l> michaeldexter: http://partners.ubuntu.com/  it has got  a "become a partner"  contact fomular.
[20:58] <pOY> hey all, got the xps13 dev edition recently and i keep getting a popup on boot up saying that there is a problem but everything is fine, any ideas?
[20:58] <ootani> おはよう
[20:59] <michaeldexter> Thank you k1l
[21:00] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: it's confusing. Hardware is CentOS7.2, running Ubuntu VMs 14, 15, 16, all running HVD.
[21:00] <kalenpw> pOY can you click more details and post what that says? I had the same issue and it was because I didn't have something installed for my iphone
[21:01] <pOY> kalenpw: hold on ill reboot to get the box up again
[21:01] <Danielh90> I would love to switch my computer to linux but I got to many programs  that I use on windows that I love.
[21:01] <davidmichaelkarr> Jordan_U: Now I'm seeing something even stranger, outside of ubuntu land. Seems my CentOS laptop doesn't recognize the headset anymore.
[21:02] <odroid> hi guys
[21:02] <k1l> Danielh90: for some programs there are even native linux versions. or linux alternatives or you can see if they run in wine.
[21:03] <Danielh90> Oh ok. I use Adobe products. Skype and load of other programs also I don't what to loose my windows 10 license key.
[21:04] <pOY> kalenpw: all it says is there is a system problem detected with a cancel and report button which freezes when pressed
[21:04] <argon__> Danielh90: Dual boot?
[21:04] <Danielh90> argon__, hmm maybe is that safe?
[21:04] <Danielh90> I may ask my dad if I can have is broken chromebook. and just flash ubuntu on there
[21:04] <k1l> there is a linux version of skype. but microsoft lost interest in making that and since its closed source software there is no way anyone could make that situation better. except microsoft.
[21:04] <argon__> Danielh90: If its done right :)
[21:05] <k1l> Danielh90: making a dualboot is safe. you just need to be sure to make a proper resizing of the partitions.
[21:05] <argon__> Danielh90: If you just want to try ubuntu to see wether you like it or not, then you can run it in a virtual machine
[21:05] <Danielh90> argon__, Do you have any Dual boot system Tutorials you recommend? '
[21:05] <bekks> !dualboot | Danielh90
[21:05] <k1l> Danielh90: or make a live-usb-ubuntu and test that first
[21:06] <pOY> *system program problem detected
[21:06] <argon__> Danielh90: I would probably go with the one provided by Ubuntu documentation pages
[21:06] <dci> Hi. I disabled my fastboot and secure boot on windows when dual booting ubuntu. Can i enable them back?
[21:06] <k1l> pOY: click on "more details" to see what exactly is having an issue
[21:07] <argon__> Danielh90: but a live boot like k1l recommended is probably your best option.
[21:07] <pOY> there is no more details button, just a cancel and report button
[21:07] <Danielh90> argon__, ok I'm see if I can't buy my dad's old broken chrome that he still has. and see if that will work.
[21:08] <dci> Hi. I disabled my fastboot and secure boot on windows when dual booting ubuntu. Can i enable them back?
[21:08] <Danielh90> I will just flash ubuntu os on the chromebook and remove chrome os
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> dci  what did the people in ##windows advice you?
[21:09] <vfw> mcphail: Very interesting layout.
[21:09] <dci> MonkeyDust : Havent asked them yet. This is my first channel. Sorry
[21:10] <k1l> dci: iirc turning that off and on after install will make that install not bootable.
[21:10] <argon__> Danielh90: good luck! If you run into any problems you can come back here and we can guide you in the right direction
[21:10] <MonkeyDust> dci  type /j ##windows, ask there
[21:10] <dci> Okay. Thanks.
[21:11] <vfw> mcphail: Very interesting layout. And you cann just pull the usbdisk and disable the computer, (no one else can use it). Right?
[21:12] <svm_invictvs> So I've chrooted into a broken install, how do I get DNS to work inside the CHRoot?
[21:12] <vfw> mcphail: ... it could also be removable ssd
[21:13] <vfw> svm_invictvs: dhclient
[21:13] <mcphail> vfw: if you wanted, I suppose
[21:13] <svm_invictvs> vfw lemee try that...
[21:13] <Danielh90> argon__, ok thank you. '
[21:14] <vfw> mcphail: or dhcpcd
[21:14] <Danielh90> the Dualboot scares me a little.
[21:14] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: do you need local DNS resolution or internet?
[21:14] <vfw> svm_invictvs: or dhcpcd
[21:14] <vfw> mcphail: Sorry, wrong nick
[21:14] <svm_invictvs> hm
[21:14] <k1l> Danielh90: resize the windows partition (from inside windows), then create the new partitions, then install into that partitions.
[21:15] <tgm4883> Also, does it have an IP address?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 No, I just need to pull stuff from apt to unhork my install
[21:15] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: ^
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> tgm4883 I broked my kernel :(
[21:15] <Danielh90> k1l, Thank you I think I found a solution that I will trust.
[21:15] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: wait, you're the guy in the live session from earlier right?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:15] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You need internet, right?
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> I finally got that running
[21:15] <svm_invictvs> Yes, I do
[21:16] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: I would just add "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in /etc/resolv.conf
[21:17] <vfw> svm_invictvs: echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> >> /etc/resolv.conf
[21:17] <fbeister> Hi all, just had a look at ubuntu-16.04-server-i386.iso with correctly verified MD5 sum - /install/vmlinuz is an empty file. As I am setting up a multiboot-server, this won't work I guess. Does anybody know whom to contact about this?
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:18] <vfw> svm_invictvs: or <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> wut?
[21:18] <tgm4883> svm_invictvs: google's public dns server
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> WHat are those nameservers?
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> Ahhhh
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> okay
[21:18] <svm_invictvs> vfw I was just going to copy my resolv.conf in but I dind'jt see it
[21:18] <vfw> svm_invictvs: as the name implies they resolve names to addresses
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> I don't have an /etc/resolv.conf
[21:19] <svm_invictvs> I have /etc/resolvconf
[21:19] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You will if you create it
[21:19] <vfw> svm_invictvs: And if it exists, your system will use it
[21:19] <auronandace> !resolvconf | svm_invictvs
[21:19] <Bashing-om> svm_invictvs: 'sudo mount --bind /run /mnt/run' Maybe: 'mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /$CHROOT/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf'   else rebuild the CHange Root ' sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt - for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done - sudo chroot /mnt ' .
[21:20] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: that seems like overkill to me
[21:20] <vfw> svm_invictvs: echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:20] <vfw> svm_invictvs: sudo echo nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> > /etc/resolv.conf
[21:20] <svm_invictvs> When I chroot I can't write to etc
[21:20] <svm_invictvs> wtf
[21:21] <tgm4883> you should be able to
[21:21] <Ben64> what are you doing...?
[21:21] <vfw> svm_invictvs: sudo
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> I'm root
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 May 30  2014 resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> grumble
[21:21] <svm_invictvs> okay
[21:21] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: Likely so . But depending on how the CHRoot was built ?
[21:21] <tgm4883> Bashing-om: true, but this should work from the live disk
[21:21] <tgm4883> I did this exact thing last weekend
[21:21] <Ben64> "sudo echo blah > output" doesn't write as root
[21:22] <vfw> Ben64: Well, yes obviously not if you are root already
[21:22] <svm_invictvs> vfw Okay, looks like this server wasn't cleanly shutdown.  Maybe that's why it didn't come back up :S
[21:22] <Ben64> vfw: well if you're root it does
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Reboot and it should fsck it
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> vfw The kernel is hosed
[21:23] <vfw> Ben64: Yea
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> Can't I fsck it from the livecd?
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Is it the only one you have?
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> only one?
[21:23] <svm_invictvs> only livecd?
[21:23] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Yes, you can.  Unmount it first though.
[21:24] <tgm4883> vfw: you can't "sudo echo blah > file" as after the redirect it's not root anymore. I believe the correct way to do that would be 'echo blah | sudo tee file'
[21:24] <svm_invictvs> YEah
[21:24] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Only kernel.
[21:24] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, the only kernel.
[21:24] <vfw> tgm4883: oh ok
[21:24] <SnowCrash> Using ssh with password authentication on an Ubuntu desktop to connect to a remote server (Debian) seems to be really slow. I only seem to have this issue on Ubuntu, is there any reason why?
[21:24] <SnowCrash> Key auth works instantaneously
[21:24] <tgm4883> granted, he was root anyway so it's moot in this case
[21:24] <argon__> goodnight, i'm going to bed
[21:25] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Well, then you are stuck with the recovery options you are working with now.... So continue
[21:25] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, basically /boot ran out of space and I used the tools to cleanup the /boot partition and I kind of forgot about it then there was a power outage and the UPS didn't keep it up long enough before I could get to it.
[21:25] <svm_invictvs> yeah
[21:25] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You must have a very small partition for /boot
[21:26] <svm_invictvs> Whatever the default is
[21:26] <svm_invictvs> I just use the ubuntu default setup for 14.04 or whatever this was when I set it up
[21:26] <effectnet> i need to figure out what partitions to put on my ssd 64g drive
[21:26] <vfw> svm_invictvs: Back out of chroot, unmount the partition(s) and fsck -y it
[21:26] <Ben64> the default is not having a /boot
[21:27] <vfw> svm_invictvs: You did *not* create a separate partition for /boot ?
[21:28] <effectnet> I am working on a computer.  it can no longer run win7 well, so it's gonna be ubuntu now :D
[21:28] <vfw> effectnet: Very good! ;)
[21:29] <David-A> effectnet: "it can no longer". has the computer changed, or did win7 change?
[21:29] <Epx998> Does anyone know what would cause / to report 100% - but after a reboot its at 36% ?
[21:30] <svm_invictvs> vfw Yeah, fsck came back clean.  So that's good.
[21:30] <svm_invictvs> vfw I've got that going for me.  Which is nice.
[21:30] <k1l> Epx998: maybe logfiles running full?
[21:30] <effectnet> hmm well dunno but none of the browsers work good anymore anyway
[21:30] <Ben64> Epx998: open files that are deleted/changed
[21:30] <tgm4883> Epx998: could be lots of stuff
[21:30] <effectnet> i'll use a browser on win7 for less than a full day now and have to close and reopen it and it's still slow
[21:31] <Epx998> Ben64: Is there a way to check, given what this server does thats a strong candidate.
[21:31] <Ben64> Epx998: lsof
[21:31] <k1l> Epx998: "ncdu"
[21:32] <Epx998> hmm return didnt look weird
[21:32] <effectnet> has only 4g memory in it and single memory transfer for some reason, so i had to put a ssd on it
[21:32] <svm_invictvs> alright,b ack in business.  thanks vfw
[21:32] <Epx998> so weird
[21:33] <effectnet> so also will just be better to pust ubuntu on this than win anymore
[21:35] <effectnet> i could reinstall windows fresh, that would help
[21:36] <Ben64> effectnet: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[21:36] <effectnet> somewhat, i am curious which partitions i should put on the ssd drive, it's 64g
[21:37] <Ben64> all you need is /
[21:37] <davidmichaelkarr> I just updated by 14.04 VM (VirtualBox), which I hadn't updated in quite a while.  It now creates a small desktop area, just takes up the center of the screen.  The fonts aren't smaller, it's just a narrow and shorter display area.
[21:37] <effectnet> hmmm k
[21:37] <fbeister> FYI: Just filed a bug at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage regarding the missing file in the ISO
[21:38] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: Reinstall the guest additions.
[21:48] <ethern0t> hey
[21:49] <kisb> hello ethern0t
[21:50] <snapfractalpop> aloha
[21:50] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Anything special to REinstall?
[21:52] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: That is, do I just do the same thing that I did when I installed it the first time?
[21:53] <Newtonianb> question: I' m trying to install xdebug on ubuntu with php56. I've been trying "sudo yum install php-pecl-xdebug" but it gives me "Error: php56-common conflicts with php-common-5.3.29-1.8.amzn1.x86_64". Is there a different package I should be using?
[21:53] <snapfractalpop> Newtonianb: yum?
[21:53] <snapfractalpop> not apt?
[21:54] <David-A> fedora?
[21:54] <Newtonianb> It's an amazon AWS ec2 server, seems apt-get not installed.
[21:54] <Umeaboy> Newtonianb: Why are you using yum in Ubuntu?
[21:54] <Umeaboy> OK.
[21:54] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
[21:54] <Ben64> Newtonianb: seems it isn't ubuntu then
[21:54] <svm_invictvs> How old is 14.04 LTS?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> LIke 3 years old right?
[21:55] <dax> svm_invictvs: ubuntu versions are year.month
[21:55] <Ben64> svm_invictvs: it's in the name. came out 04 2014
[21:55] <nacc> svm_invictvs: it's in the name?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> ...oh
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> lol
[21:55] <dax> :)
[21:55] <Umeaboy> :)
[21:55] <Newtonianb> Amazon Linux AMI release 2016.03
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> .... that...didn't occur to me
[21:55] <Ben64> Newtonianb: yep, not ubuntu
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> 14.04 is supported right?
[21:55] <k1l> Newtonianb: ask the amazon support then. yum on ubuntu doesnt sound right.
[21:55] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Hmm, that's curious.  I had installed GA 5.x.17 a few weeks ago, and now the downloads page lists 5.x.16 as the latest.
[21:55] <Ben64> indeed, until 2019
[21:55] <Newtonianb> oh my bad
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> 3 years right?
[21:55] <svm_invictvs> Okay
[21:55] <Ben64> 5
[21:55] <snapfractalpop> Newtonianb: that's probably not ubuntu then..
[21:55] <Ben64> 5 for lts, 9 months for others
[21:56] <Ben64> 5 years for lts*
[21:56] <svm_invictvs> So I just reinstalled my kernel, everything else on this machine is fine.  Let's see if she boots
[21:56] <nullbyte_> how can i put right panel with apps to bottom in ubuntu 16.04 lts?
[21:56] <bodom> Hi there! I have "zoomed" my desktop by mistake and now i do not know how to revert it, please help :D
[21:56] <nullbyte_> this is a new feature to ubuntu to 16.xx
[21:56] <k1l> nullbyte_: you mean the launcher on the left?
[21:57] <nullbyte_> yea launcher
[21:57] <nullbyte_> omg it is in left:)
[21:57] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: odd releases are development releases, even releases are production releases.
[21:57] <k1l> nullbyte_: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/03/ubuntu-16-04-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom/
[21:58] <Bashing-om> bodom: Maybe alt+middle mouse scroll wheel ?
[21:58] <Newtonianb> Ah dam ya Amazon Linux AMI is based on CentOS/RHEL thanks
[21:58] <nacc> Newtonianb: reading the amazon faqs on that AMI image, it's quite clear it's not ubuntu (mentions EPEL, etc)
[21:58] <bodom> Bashing-om: thanks you saved my eyes :D
[21:58] <Newtonianb> right, thanks sorry
[21:58] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Not sure how that's relevant.  I was on that page a few weeks ago, and the latest was 17, which I installed.  Today, at the same place on the page, the latest is 16.
[21:59] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: .17 was a development release, made publically available for testing.
[21:59] <bekks> And it was designated as such.
[21:59] <Bashing-om> bodom: :) A gold star for me ?? .. make up for the uh ohs this day .
[21:59] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: And the current release listed on that page is 5.0.20
[22:00] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Interesting. It sure wasn't clear to me at the time that was a dev release.  Note that I'm not talking about the virtualbox release, but the GA release.
[22:00] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: https://www.virtualbox.org/ - "News Flash" box on the left.
[22:00] <bekks> err, right.
[22:00] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: The Guest additions are released as part of the vbox release.
[22:02] <nullbyte_> thank you kil
[22:03] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Not sure what "part of" means.  The version numbers are obviously different.
[22:03] <bodom> Bashing-om: hehehe sure, a gold star for you :D
[22:04] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: In any case, rerunning the GA installer fixed that problem.
[22:04] <nacc> davidmichaelkarr: doesn't the sentence preceding that say to only use the 5.0.16 version of the guest additions if you have a bug with 5.0.20?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> initrd.img-3.13.0-86-generic
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> that's the version right?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> 86, that's not an x86 kernel is it?
[22:05] <k1l> svm_invictvs: thats the buildnumber
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> Got it
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> says I can't isntall a kernael because I don't have a PAE CPU?
[22:05] <svm_invictvs> Wasn't PAE standard like...15 years ago?
[22:06] <k1l> svm_invictvs: what cpu is it?
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> I dont' know, but I know it's a 64 bit CPU
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> Intel something or other
[22:06] <nacc> svm_invictvs: pastebin `cat /proc/cpuinfo`
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> oh derp
[22:06] <k1l> svm_invictvs: "lscpu" will tell
[22:06] <nacc> or --^
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> nacc was gonna do that, then I realized I forgot to mount proc in my chroot
[22:06] <svm_invictvs> derp
[22:07] <nacc> that'll probably fix it, as more than likely wahtever it was couldn't find the pae extension in /proc/cpuinfo (which lscpu uses, in addition to /sys/ iirc)
[22:07] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: vbox release 5.0.20 ships GA 5.0.20
[22:07] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: There is no need of downloading the GA separately.
[22:07] <k1l> yeah. a /proc/ could actually fix that already
[22:07] <svm_invictvs> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc pebs bts nopl pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 cid cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
[22:07] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, doing that fixed it, haha
[22:08] <nacc> svm_invictvs: no need to paste long strings of your cpuinfo here :)
[22:08] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: Really? So where do I find the GA .20 image?
[22:08] <svm_invictvs> Other than just installing my kernel, anythign else to fix a potentially hosed kernel?
[22:08] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: In the vbox package, on the official vbox site.
[22:08] <k1l> svm_invictvs: "linux-generic" package will pull in the kernel and ehaders
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> alright
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, I installed linux-generic says I've got the latest
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> update grub as well
[22:09] <svm_invictvs> Let's kick this pig, see if she'll chooch.
[22:10] <nacc> davidmichaelkarr: i believe it's packaged together is what bekks is saying. If you read the page, as I suggested, it only refers to the GA 5.0.16 *if* you have issues with 5.0.20 as a thing to try.
[22:12] <davidmichaelkarr> nacc: I now see the thing about only using .16 if you have issues.  I never noticed that before.
[22:15] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: I have vbox .20 installed, but where is the GA iso then?
[22:16] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: Just click on the "Install guest additions" menu entry, and it will be attached to the cdrom of your vm.
[22:16] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: ...as described in the vbox manual ;)
[22:16] <virtuosoj> Running Ubuntu main 16.04. I installed Ubuntu MATE desktop and uninstalled it--- however now the Ubuntu MATE logo appears when I start/turn off my computer.  How can I set it back to default logos?  Do I need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[22:17] <k1l> davidmichaelkarr: it should be included in the host install of vbox. see the menu from vbox
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> vfw tgm4883  et al
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> APpreciate it
[22:17] <svm_invictvs> Everything came back up w/o any issues.  Now I learned a valuable lsesson on wh people run two LDAP servers when one fails.
[22:18] <k1l> virtuosoj: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[22:19] <k1l> virtuosoj: after you changed it run "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[22:21] <virtuosoj> k1l, thank you. any way you could give me a brief rundown of what that actually does?
[22:22] <h4Pp1e5t> hey guys
[22:23] <k1l> the first one lets you choose which theme you want (you want the standard ubuntu one back instead of the mate one). the second command regenerates the initframfs image. which will make the change work.
[22:25] <h4Pp1e5t> Hey
[22:26] <k1l> hi
[22:26] <h4Pp1e5t> anon?
[22:27] <k1l> nope. this is the technical ubuntu support
[22:27] <h4Pp1e5t> okk what channel shall i go to?
[22:28] <squinty> !alis
[22:28] <h4Pp1e5t> where do i find alis?
[22:28] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: I assume you mean "Install Guest Additions CD Image..."?
[22:29] <davidmichaelkarr> bekks: That is, "Insert" instead of "Install".
[22:30] <RabbitD> anyone here a bit of an audio guru, as I have no sound on a machine that I cant get working on any OS (not an ubuntu issue)
[22:30] <k1l> davidmichaelkarr: vbox got a mechanism in the host program: click on the menu and it "inserts" a cd with the proper guest additions to the guest OS with the proper guest additions.
[22:31] <RabbitD> actually I can get some sound on windows from it if I jiggle the volume slider... which isnt going to happen
[22:31] <h4Pp1e5t> could it be hardware?
[22:31] <RabbitD> could be
[22:31] <h4Pp1e5t> give me a brief on your setup?
[22:31] <RabbitD> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=c4a38093b935ef22cdc330ccbda1e1776eb367ea
[22:32] <RabbitD> not very brief!
[22:32] <RabbitD> :-D
[22:32] <h4Pp1e5t> haha give me a sec, knew to using anon os
[22:33] <RabbitD> installed ubuntu so I could blame you guys ;-)
[22:34] <h4Pp1e5t> okk and a brief of your hardware?
[22:34] <RabbitD> as i say h4Pp1e5t its dual boot and on windows i get sound if i jiggle the volume control
[22:34] <RabbitD> hardware...  its using a Conextant Smart Audio card
[22:35] <RabbitD> Conexant (pebble)
[22:35] <RabbitD> what else you wanna know?
[22:36] <RabbitD> I have the thing in front of me but it currently using Mint!   eeeek runs away!
[22:36] <h4Pp1e5t> okk, all i can think of is, corrupt driver - Maybe try updating all drivers or its the volume control+or speakers
[22:36] <hasan> hi
[22:37] <RabbitD> I've even rebuilt the driver, I thin k ebay is the best place for it
[22:37] <k1l> RabbitD: for mint issues please use the mint support. they run things differently
[22:38] <h4Pp1e5t> hmmm, tricky situation. Btw anyone tell me where to find alis? i need help finding a channel
[22:38] <k1l> h4Pp1e5t: the bot gave you the exact commands:
[22:38] <k1l> !alis | h4Pp1e5t
[22:38] <bazhang>  /msg alis list channel   h4Pp1e5t
[22:38] <RabbitD> it had a BSOD under windows once and after that... only the jiggle technique worked < if thats working!
[22:38] <RabbitD> well I could reboot into ubuntu if that would make you happier :)
[22:39] <bazhang> h4Pp1e5t, anon OS is not supported here
[22:39] <davidmichaelkarr> Ok, got it now. I still have my microphone problem in the HVD on 16 (not 14), but at least I'm up to date on GA.
[22:39] <bekks> davidmichaelkarr: yes.
[22:40] <RabbitD> So should I continue my "given up" thing with this sound?
[22:41] <thon> I'm having an issue getting Clex (unable to read keyboard input) to work on Ubuntu 16.04. Can anyone give me some input?
[22:41] <k1l> didnt you confirm that its a hardware failure?
[22:42] <RabbitD> I think Dell gave up and its a Dell... so would be a bad idea...
[22:42] <RabbitD> *wouldnt
[22:42] <RabbitD> k1l: I dont really know
[22:43] <RabbitD> I would concur its a hardware error but I can get sound from the thing... so that confused me somewhat
[22:45] <RabbitD> see if I couldnt get any sound ever then Id be happy to give up completely, but the fact that there are signs of life give me hope, even it thats false hope
[22:45] <RabbitD> I admit this isnt an ubuntu issue
[22:46] <RabbitD> just looking for some angles really
[22:46] <RabbitD> or is it angels :)
[22:49] <mikeymop> Anyone experienced with qemu in here?
[22:50] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Please simply ask your actual question. If anyone thinks they can help then they will.
[22:51] <mikeymop> I compiled qemu2.6 from source. However now it fails to create qcow2 images. I want to know any common issues I should look for
[22:51] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Why did you compile from source?
[22:52] <mikeymop> It failed when using virt-manager and when I try via terminal it throws an error that it doesnt see the "G" to specify 20G
[22:52] <mikeymop> I want to benchmark the Virgil renderer on OpenGL
[22:53] <Jordan_U> mikeymop: Please pastebin the exact command you're running that fails, and its complete output.
[22:56] <boriseto> A question, are all the unity 7 lenses discontinued?
[22:59] <thon> any chance anyone has any clue as to why I can't get clex working on ubuntu?
[23:00] <reisio> clex?
[23:00] <reisio> from creduce?
[23:00] <mikeymop> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ly1Sqq7m
[23:01] <thon> yeah, its a default package in 16.04
[23:01] <thon> its something of a fm ui for bash
[23:02] <mikeymop> Jordan_U: I tried with sudo as well just as a shot in the dark
[23:02] <bprompt_> thon:    did it install?
[23:02] <reisio> mikeymop: you haven't put -f before qcow2
[23:02] <reisio> mikeymop: so it actually thinks 'qcow2' is your filename, and the filename you're trying to use is the size, and 20gb is extraneous
[23:03] <reisio> q != f
[23:03] <mikeymop> When I used -f it asked for -q
[23:03] <thon> it spits out the following error:  clex Starting CLEX 3.15 Terminating CLEX: Cannot read the keyboard input
[23:03] <reisio> mikeymop: I doubt that
[23:03] <thon> it installs, but thats it
[23:03] <reisio> but q is not equal to f regardless
[23:03] <reisio> thon: yes from creduce?
[23:04] <thon> huh?
[23:04] <doomlord> if i have an install where i get a graphical login (xubuntu) , a guest session works, but a specific user doesn't - can I fix this by changing something like xinitrc
[23:04] <doomlord> this has all broken after i did an upgrade
[23:04] <bprompt_> thon:    so... how do you run it?
[23:04] <mikeymop> You're right, the tutorial I followed earlier used -r
[23:04] <doomlord> i can ssh into the mahcine in question
[23:04] <thon> I'm not sure the question... reisio
[23:05] <thon> I apt installed it, then ran clex from a terminal
[23:05] <mikeymop> I'll have to drop in later when I'm not over SSH to see why virt-manager fails.
[23:05] <reisio> thon: installed what, 'apt-get install clex'?
[23:05] <thon> yes
[23:06] <mikeymop> reisio: do you know where they are stored? It's not in my working dir
[23:06] <reisio> mikeymop: they what?
[23:08] <mikeymop> The qcow2 that I created with that command
[23:08] <reisio> if you do ' foo ', it's in the current working directory, at 'foo'
[23:08] <mikeymop> I executed it from ~/ so I'm poking around in /etc looking for it
[23:08] <reisio> aka ./foo
[23:08] <Bashing-om> doomlord: Login on the user account that the GUI fails, run terminal command ' ls -al /home/<user_name> ' do "you" or root own the .Xauthority and .ICEauthority files ?
[23:09] <reisio> then it'd be at ~/foo
[23:09] <mikeymop> Ok ty
[23:09] <doomlord> i'll try, thanks
[23:10] <thon> so any input
[23:10] <doomlord> root owns '.Xauthority
[23:11] <doomlord> root owns .Xauthority & .ICEauthority
[23:12] <doomlord> ok i read that i need to own that so , i guess i can fix that
[23:12] <Bashing-om> doomlord: ' sudo chown USERNAME:USERNAME .Xauthority ; sudo chown USERNAME:USERNAME .ICEauthority ' where USERNAME is the login ID .
[23:13] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | doomlord
[23:14] <doomlord> Bashing-om thanks , that works now
[23:15] <Anima> Hello
[23:16] <Anima> Is it worth updating to the latest LTS?
[23:16] <Anima> 14.04 was aight
[23:16] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | Anima
[23:16] <Bashing-om> doomlord: :) Great .. nother gfold star for me, to make amends for my uh Ohs ! See Jordan_U -> ubottu for the most likely reason why .
[23:16] <ydabba11> hi. my laptop screen is broken but i have is an external monitor. is there a way to display grub on my external monitor? i can't get bios up on the external
[23:19] <RabbitD> yes there is a way to get grub on your other monitor ydabba11
[23:19] <RabbitD> cant remember how right now though
[23:19] <ydabba11> hmm ok RabbitD . please let me know if you remember
[23:20] <ydabba11> RabbitD, i tried this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/712111/forcing-grub-menu-to-external-monitor-connected-to-laptop-via-hdmi-vga
[23:27] <elementaru> hello
[23:27] <reisio> 'lo
[23:27] <elementaru> can I post an url with printscreen here/
[23:33] <Bashing-om> elementaru: If it  pertains to an ubuntu issue, yes .
[23:34] <thon> I'm having an issue getting Clex (unable to read keyboard input) to work on Ubuntu 16.04. Can anyone give me some input?
[23:34] <elementaru> Bashing-om, nah just some cat pictures
[23:35] <elementaru> http://picturehost.eu/uploads/1759f978a9e5a142013fdff7dab52d36_Screenshot%20from%202016-05-19%2002:21:47.png
[23:35] <elementaru> I get this when I do apt-get upgrade
[23:36] <nacc> thon: just spun up a container and see the same ...
[23:36] <nacc> thon: let me debug
[23:37] <thon> if I try to build it from source, I get "error: CLEX requires CURSES library with a wide character support"
[23:38] <nacc> thon: this is basically unmaintained in debian, fwiw (last updated in 2006?)
[23:38] <nacc> thon: just an fyi, really
[23:39] <thon> right, but it still worked just a bit ago
[23:39] <thon> I had it work in Debian 8
[23:39] <thon> also
[23:39] <thon> it was last updated in aug 2013
[23:39] <Bashing-om> elementaru: I do not know what to make of it .
[23:40] <nacc> thon: upstream, sure, but not in debian or ubuntu
[23:40] <thon> right, but I was building from source
[23:40] <nacc> thon: ok, so you are missing some dependency, probably ncurses-dev?
[23:40] <thon> I installed those
[23:41] <bekks> thon: sounds like you have to build CURSES from source, as well.
[23:41] <bekks> thon: Can you pastebin your configure log?
[23:41] <nacc> thon: or maybe libncurses5w-dev
[23:41] <nacc> err libncursesw5-dev
[23:42] <nacc> roughly the first hit on google for that error, fwiw :)
[23:42] <thon> I've got that installed
[23:42] <elementaru> Bashing-om, well me neither
[23:42] <thon> but i still get the CURSES error when I run .configure
[23:42] <thon> *./configure
[23:43] <elementaru> I try to do apt-get upgrade, i get these strange messages, and nothing gets upgraded
[23:43] <nacc> thon: you're sure you install -dev, not the lib package?
[23:43] <bekks> thon: Can you pastebin your configure log?
[23:43] <thon> hang on
[23:43] <docmur> I want to make ssh sessions auto kill after 5 minutes of no activity. I tried setting ClientAliveInterval 300 and ServerAliveInterval 15 but if I login to one of my servers, just leave it and don't do anything, even after a hour, nothing happens
[23:44] <bekks> docmur: What is the reason for killing ssh sessions?
[23:44] <docmur> Incase they get left open
[23:44] <bekks> docmur: And why is that causing issues?
[23:44] <docmur> Several people use the servers and I don't want one of them leaving a session open
[23:44] <docmur> it's a security issue
[23:44] <bekks> It isnt, actually.
[23:44] <nacc> how is that a security issue? are they not in control of their end of the session?
[23:45] <docmur> Sure it is, if they login to th server, leave the computer, forget they even logged in, then someone sits down and has an open terminal ... that's pretty dangerous
[23:45] <reisio> it's... the exact same reason X is locked after an idle period
[23:45] <bekks> Unless your client closes the ssh session by intent, you can assume the client still uses it.
[23:45] <BookSearch> @search of a new name
[23:46] <bekks> reisio: With the difference that the ssh session isnt publically accessible - under normal circumstances.
[23:46] <reisio> you can assume lots of things, if you reduce your paranoia :p
[23:46] <bekks> reisio: :D
[23:46] <reisio> bekks: it's different, but the same :p
[23:46] <thon> so i restarted my system
[23:46] <thon> it built from source
[23:46] <nacc> elementaru: so you run `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` and you get the latest uploads? can you run those commands and pastebin the output?
[23:46] <reisio> anyone sane would approach such a configuration by regularly telling their session to pretend like they aren't idle :p
[23:46] <reisio> there's no substitute for informed users
[23:46] <thon> but I still get "Terminating CLEX: Cannot read the keyboard input"
[23:47] <mattfly_> helo
[23:47] <reisio> thon: some reason you're compiling instead of installing a binary?
[23:47] <mattfly_> ppl
[23:47] <reisio> mattfly_: 'lo
[23:47] <bekks> thon: When will you pastebin your configure log?
[23:47] <nacc> thon: looking at strace, it seems like clex is doing something wrong with the tty and erroring out
[23:47] <mattfly_> whatssup reisio?
[23:47]  * reisio sighs
[23:47] <nacc> thon: so you cn file a bug, but given upstream doesn't work, it seems unlikely to get fixed
[23:47] <reisio> busy busy
[23:47] <thon> well after i restarted, the configure log didn't throw the curses error
[23:47] <thon> which is weird
[23:48] <thon> it went through
[23:48] <mattfly_> ppl, what should i do to talk in the #hardware room?
[23:48] <thon> so I did make and make instsall
[23:48] <nacc> thon: might have need to update the ld paths, etc
[23:48] <bekks> thon: So will you pastebin an error log at all?
[23:48] <thon> well, I don't have the error anymore
[23:48] <nacc> bekks: i reproduced the ubuntu version throwing hte same error in a lxc container
[23:48] <thon> and I can't reproduce the error bekks
[23:49] <nacc> thon: you can't reprocue the *build* error, you mean
[23:49] <thon> the ./configure error
[23:49] <mattfly_> i can't join but it says that i cannot send messages to the room
[23:49] <mattfly_> how to register out there?
[23:50] <nacc> thon: it seems like a bug in clex, you are best off contacting that project, i'd say
[23:50] <bekks> mattfly_: Register your nickname.
[23:50] <bekks> mattfly_: /msg nickserv help register
[23:50] <thon> *sigh*
[23:50] <nacc> thon: you could also file an ubuntu bug, if you want, but like i said, it seems unlikely to get fixed unless the upstream folks are able to fix it (if i had to guess)
[23:51] <mattfly_> i did it bekks
[23:51] <thon> yeah, the version in Ubuntu and the upstream version are both throwing the same error
[23:51] <SchrodingersScat> docmur: looks like you could use netstat to determine which connections are ssh, then script it so that that pid gets fed into ps to get the time.
[23:52] <docmur> Ya looking like I might have to do something like that cause nothing else is working :S,  The other users don't need to be on a server for more than that with a seriously good reason, one which I'd know of in the first place
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Basically there is no reason for killing a running ssh session.
[23:52] <arooni> anyone got a twitter client to recommend for ubuntu 14.04 ?  id like something that could take over fullscreen
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Since you cant distinguish wether it is idle or in use.
[23:52] <SchrodingersScat> bekks: I use mosh to get superior connectivity
[23:52] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: The original problem is totally different from using mosh.
[23:53] <bekks> arooni: the browser of your choice.
[23:53] <arooni> i kind of hate twitter as a twitter client
[23:53] <SchrodingersScat> bekks: what problem? docmur's?  I agree. I'm in the camp of never killing ssh, I'll die before my sessions do ;(
[23:53] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Yeah.
[23:54] <GalaxyLJGD> Hello
[23:55] <SchrodingersScat> in fact...I use mosh because I have the opposite problem, keep getting disconnects. but this question is done
[23:55] <GalaxyLJGD> Hi Scat
[23:55] <elementaru> nacc, yes, as I understand it's because linux-generic been kept back I got those errors, doing dist-upgrade now, so far so good
[23:56] <SchrodingersScat> GalaxyLJGD: howdy
[23:56] <docmur> my problem is that I've had two idiots keep terminal open on computers, when they didn't have to be connected for more then 10 minutes to carry out the job in the first place.
[23:56] <bekks> docmur: There is no need of killing ssh sessions. Either they are in use or they will timeout. Given a ssh client using KeepAlive, they will never timeout.
[23:56] <bekks> docmur: See above.
[23:57] <cipherman> Hi
[23:57] <bekks> docmur: And basically there is nothing you can do about it, rather than killing your ssh session every 5 minutes.
[23:57] <nacc> thon: fwiw, the src for that exit code implies it's doing some tight loop trying to read any input from the user (although it doesn't wait for anything or prompt you) ... you culd probably add debugging to the source to figure out what's going on. Could be a curses compat change
[23:57] <docmur> Not literally 5 minutes, but X minutes, I might set it to like 20 minutes, which is long enough for any job that needs to be completely on those exact servers.
[23:58] <mrrtrump> I set date and it keeps going back an hour
[23:58] <mrrtrump> whats up with that
[23:58] <bekks> docmur: See above.
[23:58] <thon> I'll do that nacc
[23:58] <bekks> docmur: Fix your client's ssh clients.
[23:59] <Bashing-om> mrrtrump: Dual booting Windows ? And Windows controls the hardware clock ?