[01:11] <calc> just realized i only have about 25 non triaged non incomplete bugs
[01:11] <calc> out of 526 :)
[01:50] <hggdh> persia, ping
[02:10] <Hammonjj> hi everyone
[02:11] <Hammonjj> i'm a cs student looking to get involved with bug fixing.  i was wondering if anyone knew of a resource i cold contact
[02:11] <Hammonjj> could***
[02:16] <hggdh> well, he was fast... fast in and fast out
[04:30] <techno_freak> NetworkManager has totaly screwed up in the latest update, it doesn't even run dhclient when booting up and even if I restart NM manually, the applet still shows no wired connections activated
[04:47] <Juanelone> ubunti 8.10 woohooo
[06:34] <thekorn> good morning
[06:35] <maco> hiya
[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:47] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[06:47] <dholbach> hi thekorn
[06:52] <maco> hi dholbach
[06:52] <dholbach> hi maco
[06:53] <maco> so, for QA stuff, laserjock and i were talking about our utter lack of unit tests.  so i started a set of wiki pages to write up test cases for us to do manually.  they can eventually be turned into automated ones, i suppose, but at least we'll have the specs for when that time comes
[06:53] <maco> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApplicationTesting
[06:57] <maco> if anyone wants to help write up things that need to be tested repeatedly during unstable to ensure a minimal set of functionality...feel free
[06:59] <maco> tjaalton: about the joysticks...if they wont be evdev, how will they be handled?
[07:00] <tjaalton> maco: just like before
[07:00] <tjaalton> ie. games work
[07:01] <tjaalton> if you want to use them as pointer devices, wait for the patch to hal that mjg59 posted
[07:01] <tjaalton> then x-x-i-joystick only needs to check for input.joystick devices, not the product id
[07:02] <maco> tjaalton: do you need to set them up in xorg.conf?
[07:02] <tjaalton> maco: with those updates, no
[07:02] <maco> tjaalton: awesome! will update post
[07:02] <maco> tjaalton: wacom's still screwed though, right?
[07:02] <tjaalton> I'm not sure if the hal patch will be SRU'd, but hope so
[07:03] <tjaalton> maco: yes, you can only initialize the device with one set of parameters when using input-hotplug
[07:03] <tjaalton> so the driver needs some love
[07:04] <maco> tjaalton: updated version ok?
[07:06] <tjaalton> YABC, a sec
[07:07] <maco> yabc?
[07:07] <tjaalton> yet-another-browser-crash
[07:07] <tjaalton> just invented it myself ;)
[07:08] <maco> gotcha
[07:09] <tjaalton> maco: yep, looks fine
[07:09] <maco> kk thanks
[10:30] <niadh> I know this is probably gonna be a pain, but I've just got up, intending to upgrade ubuntu while I am out today, any reason why upgrade manager ain't showing the update option?
[10:30] <RAOF> 'cause it's not released yet?  Also, probably better asked on #ubuntu+1, I'd wager :)
[10:31] <niadh> Was under the impression it's out today
[10:31] <niadh> Of course it doesn't mean 9AM today
[10:31] <niadh> Just wondered
[10:32] <Hew> niadh: Watch #ubuntu+1. It's not out yet, but should be out some time today.
[10:32] <RAOF> Yeah.  It'll be out sometime today, barring huge last minute problems.
[10:32] <Hew> niadh: Also #ubuntu-release-party
[11:15] <BUGabundo_work> asac: ping
[11:16] <Bodsda> morning
[11:16] <BUGabundo_work> good morning
[11:17] <asac> BUGabundo_work: hey ;)
[11:17] <Bodsda> downloading intrepid rc atm -- 8.04 is running really slow for me so i think its time for some spring cleaning
[11:17] <asac> BUGabundo_work: got my messages?
[11:17] <BUGabundo_work> not yet
[11:17] <asac> BUGabundo_work: look in mail + bug ;)
[11:17] <BUGabundo_work> I publish one of my passwords online!
[11:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: he?
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> took most of the morning to change my old passwords
[11:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: oh :)
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> and now I'm in meetings
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> didn't even had time to turn laptop on
[11:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah. ok anyway ... PPA version should work.
[11:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i gave hints how to workaround without that patch in bug
[11:18]  * BUGabundo_work opens ubuntu mailbox
[11:19] <asac> s/PPA version/new PPA version/
[11:21]  * BUGabundo_work laptop booting
[11:42] <BUGabundo_work> is anyone getting "floating point exception" on skype 64bits?
[11:48] <BUGabundo_work> asac: sorry to say, but VPN still won't work after the update!
[11:48] <BUGabundo_work> do I need to reboot?
[11:49] <asac> BUGabundo_work: depends
[11:49] <asac> BUGabundo_work: which -pptp version do you have installed now?
[11:50] <asac> BUGabundo_work: does the workaround work for you?
[11:50] <asac> for me stuff works now
[11:50] <BUGabundo_work> PPA version of course
[11:51] <asac> BUGabundo_work: which ;)?
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> haven't read it yet
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> brb
[11:51] <BUGabundo_work> user probs
[11:54] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache show network-manager-pptp
[11:54] <BUGabundo> Architecture: amd64
[11:54] <BUGabundo> Version: 0.7~~svn20081015t024626-0ubuntu2~nm2
[11:54] <asac> BUGabundo_work: works for me
[11:55] <asac> i am currently connected
[11:55] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i had to select MPPE
[11:55] <asac> thats all
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> I have it on
[11:55] <asac> and dont use password
[11:55] <asac> because that doesnt work
[11:55] <asac> BUGabundo_work: dump your connection
[11:55] <asac> create a new one
[11:55] <asac> most likely you tweaked something else
[11:55] <BUGabundo_work> 1st thing I did
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> the ballon won't even show up...
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> it desapears in less then half a sec
[11:56] <asac> which balloon?
[11:56] <BUGabundo> the FAILED connection
[11:56] <asac> well. i think you have other issues then. what error do you get in syslog now?
[11:57] <BUGabundo_work> just tested to a 2nd vpn and it also failed!
[11:57] <BUGabundo> let me tail it
[11:58] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64567/
[11:58] <BUGabundo_work> nothing there!
[11:59] <asac> BUGabundo_work: you should really get to a clean state
[11:59] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[11:59] <asac> wipe keyring stuff
[11:59] <asac> and such
[11:59] <BUGabundo_work> what do I need?
[11:59] <asac> you need to have a new password dialog triggered
[11:59] <asac> not sure
[11:59] <BUGabundo_work> rm /etc ?
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> ROFL
[12:00] <asac> i dont know
[12:00] <asac> really
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> apt-get remove --purge nm *
[12:00] <asac> no
[12:00] <asac> you need to remove your keyring stuff
[12:00] <asac> open seahorse
[12:00] <asac> and remove stuff from there
[12:00] <asac> all passwords and things
[12:00] <asac> and also dont fill the password in the connection editor
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[12:00] <BUGabundo_work> the ONLY key there as been removed
[12:01] <asac> well
[12:01] <asac> then ensure that you dont have a password in the connection
[12:01] <asac> at best dump it again
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> deleting VPNs and doing new ones
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> wait..
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> I'm going to boot livecd
[12:01] <asac> just fill in username gateway and no passord
[12:01] <BUGabundo_work> and test from there
[12:01] <asac> BUGabundo_work: no need to
[12:01] <BUGabundo> no ?
[12:01] <asac> you just need get back to a state you always had yesterday
[12:01] <asac> i am sure you can figure that out
[12:02] <asac> i mean that you get asked for password and such
[12:02] <asac> and that there is actually a connect attempt in the log
[12:02] <asac> the package certainly didnt change anything in this regard
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> no need for domain??
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> I'm entereing it!
[12:02] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yes domain is ok
[12:02] <asac> BUGabundo_work: if you read bug/mail you see how you can encode that in the username though
[12:02] <BUGabundo_work> CAPS or lower case?
[12:03] <asac> ... which allows you to use it without the ppa package
[12:03] <asac> BUGabundo_work: domain? here its caps
[12:03]  * BUGabundo checks LP bugmil
[12:03] <BUGabundo> windows uses it as CAPS
[12:03] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i think it even works here without a domain ;)
[12:04] <BUGabundo_work> does it escape passwords correctly?
[12:04] <asac> what do i know
[12:04]  * BUGabundo connetcing
[12:04] <asac> my password was simple enough
[12:04]  * BUGabundo VPN Connection Failed
[12:04] <asac> that error is unimportant
[12:04] <asac> you need to get the ssylog as always
[12:05] <BUGabundo> LCP terminated by peer (;'w^I^@<M-Mt^@^@^BM-f)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> I guess this is it now
[12:05] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah. .. thats MPPE
[12:05] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah
[12:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64569/
[12:05] <asac> enable MPPE ... at least that made it work here
[12:06]  * BUGabundo makes MPPE on... forgot last time
[12:06] <asac> BUGabundo_work: cool. also i just verified. at least my account works without domain :)
[12:06] <asac> but also with domain or with domain encoded in username
[12:06] <asac> e.g. DOMAIN\username or username@DOMAIN
[12:08] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[12:08] <BUGabundo_work> it should work
[12:08] <BUGabundo_work> hey... my messages didn't came
[12:08] <BUGabundo_work> IT WORKSSSSS
[12:08] <asac> cool ;)
[12:08] <asac> BUGabundo_work: so passwords get properly encoded
[12:08] <asac> gtk
[12:09] <asac> BUGabundo_work: now please test WPA-Enterprise ;)
[12:09] <asac> i think the problem with the password in the settings directly needs to be dealt too
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> not there!
[12:09] <asac> but i can figure that ;)
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> only tonight when I get to Universaty
[12:09] <BUGabundo_work> can we make MPPE on by default?
[12:10] <asac> BUGabundo_work: not sure :/
[12:10] <asac> i mean technically for sure
[12:10] <asac> not sure what is wanted
[12:10] <BUGabundo_work> 2nd vpn is failing
[12:11] <asac> BUGabundo_work: which error?
[12:11] <BUGabundo_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64573
[12:12] <asac> BUGabundo_work: but it succeeds first right?
[12:12] <asac> i mean it gets ip an all
[12:12]  * BUGabundo hates when VPNs disconect IRC
[12:12] <BUGabundo> diff VPNs
[12:12] <BUGabundo> not the company anymore
[12:12] <BUGabundo> its the univ VPN now
[12:12] <BUGabundo> I think I can talk to the admin to get you an account too
[12:13] <asac> BUGabundo_work: maybe try options first
[12:13] <BUGabundo> MPPE disabled
[12:13] <BUGabundo> why did it got disable?
[12:13] <asac> BUGabundo_work: you definitly connected and got an IP
[12:13] <BUGabundo> nm-pptp-service-4519 warn[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:331]: short read (-1): Message too long
[12:13] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah.  thats most likely the reason why its disconnecting
[12:13] <asac> the MPPE disabled stuff is most likely just output when shutting down
[12:15] <asac> BUGabundo_work: is the gateway and stuff correct?
[12:15] <asac> looks a bit "simple" :)
[12:16]  * BUGabundo_work checking
[12:16]  * BUGabundo asking the Univ network admin for VPN logs
[12:17] <asac> also a bit strange that the second DNS comes from a complete different net:
[12:17] <asac> <IP_ADDRESS> <-> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <BUGabundo_work> VPN is now on!
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> tried a mirror server
[12:18] <asac> ok. so bogus vpn server
[12:18] <asac> BUGabundo_work: please talk to admin
[12:18] <BUGabundo_work> talking
[12:18] <asac> and figure out if its a misconfiguration and if it is figure out if windows users are affected or if they have more magic
[12:19] <BUGabundo_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64576 Success
[12:19] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yay ;)
[12:19] <asac> good stuff
[12:19] <asac> BUGabundo_work: do you remember how the domain/username encoding looks like in a windows login box?
[12:19] <asac> BUGabundo_work: is it like DOMAIN\user ... or DOMAIN\\user ?
[12:20] <asac> i think i saw that once ... but thats years ago :(
[12:20] <BUGabundo_work> retested inicial server and it failed again
[12:20] <BUGabundo_work> its a server setting I guess
[12:21] <BUGabundo_work> mirror server works
[12:21] <BUGabundo_work> but requires MPPE
[12:21] <BUGabundo_work> DOMAIN\user single slash on windows
[12:21] <asac> BUGabundo_work: so the other doesnt require MPPE?
[12:21] <BUGabundo_work> user@DOMAIN also valid
[12:21] <asac> BUGabundo_work: try to disable it then (though i guess thats obvious to test ;))
[12:21] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok cool
[12:21] <asac> thanks
[12:21] <asac> (domain encoding)
[12:21] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yes know that @ is the modern way
[12:22]  * BUGabundo_work testing all 3 servers without MPPE
[12:22] <asac> but most likely it will never be THE standard way ... as always ;)
[12:22] <asac> BUGabundo_work: i think the first already failed right?
[12:22] <asac> oh sorry
[12:22]  * asac confuses work/school
[12:23] <BUGabundo> School server 1 with MPPE fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/64580/
[12:23] <asac> BUGabundo_work: yeah thats the bogus address stuff
[12:23] <asac> we need admin input on whats special and if that server works at all on windows
[12:23] <asac> BUGabundo_work: or doese it work without MPPE?
[12:24] <BUGabundo> School server 1 withOUT MPPE fail http://paste.ubuntu.com/64581
[12:24] <asac> oh that server at least tells that MPPE is required
[12:24] <BUGabundo> School server mirror withOUT MPPE fail
[12:24] <asac> your work server just continues
[12:25] <BUGabundo_work> got a time out  now
[12:25] <BUGabundo_work> on the mirror
[12:26] <BUGabundo> School server mirror WITH MPPE timeout http://paste.ubuntu.com/64583/
[12:27] <asac> BUGabundo_work: which server worked before?
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> that one
[12:27] <asac> BUGabundo_work: try again
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> msvpn1.dei....
[12:27] <BUGabundo_work> and now it Simply Worked
[12:28] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok. try a few times ... with and without disconnecting first
[12:28] <BUGabundo> School server mirror WITH MPPE Success http://paste.ubuntu.com/64585/
[12:28] <BUGabundo_work> School server mirror WITH MPPE SUCESS http://paste.ubuntu.com/64585
[12:29] <BUGabundo_work> humm I'm lagging!!! lol missed that on IRC
[12:29] <BUGabundo_work> the admin is offline now! not sure if he went to check this stuff
[12:29] <BUGabundo> ubottu:  ping
[12:30] <asac> BUGabundo_work: well ... i think the failure might also been have due to the server
[12:30] <asac> BUGabundo_work: you should try multiple times to get a better feeling about the fail ratio
[12:30] <BUGabundo_work> at least I know have 2 working servers
[12:30] <asac> BUGabundo_work: so you have 3 servers in school
[12:30] <BUGabundo_work> tonigh I'll teste the VPN over open WiFi
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> and test EDUROAM
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> no asac
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> 2 vpn server at school
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> plus one at work
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> I know I'm babbling all over the place
[12:31] <BUGabundo_work> making it hard for you to follow
[12:32] <BUGabundo_work> now we have a post release update to do
[12:33] <BUGabundo_work> asac: admin is back
[12:33] <BUGabundo_work> trying to get him to look at the server
[12:33] <asac> BUGabundo_work: ok
[12:33] <asac> BUGabundo_work: anyway. even the current package works if you encode the domain in the username
[12:34]  * BUGabundo finally some time to look at backlog emails!
[12:34] <asac> and dont use the domain field in NM
[12:34] <BUGabundo_work> LOL
[12:34] <BUGabundo_work> release notes maybe?
[12:34] <asac> not sure. the vpn plugins should be more important, but they are not on CD
[12:34] <asac> and not even in main
[12:35] <BUGabundo_work> but people upgrading
[12:35] <asac> we will get the update in asap. that should be good enough i think
[12:35] <BUGabundo_work> will get a non working VPN
[12:35] <BUGabundo_work> that might leave some users without ANY chance to fix
[12:38] <snap-l> Did anyone else receive a security update today?
[12:38] <asac> BUGabundo_work: well. the notes are all done and so ;)
[12:38] <asac> snap-l: whats the problem?
[12:39] <BUGabundo_work> I did snap-l
[12:39] <snap-l> I'm not seeing any notes for what the issue was.
[12:39] <snap-l> More curious than anything
[12:42] <asac> snap-l: not sure. look http://www.ubuntu.com/usn
[12:43] <asac> most likely you got one of the more recent ones then
[12:43] <jdstrand> snap-l: it is expected. base-files needed an update before intrepid was released, so no USN. it went through -security because of the extrememly late hour in the release process
[12:43] <asac> jdstrand: thanks for helping out ;)
[12:44] <snap-l> jdstrand: Thanks for the clarification. :)
[12:44] <jdstrand> np
[13:20] <asac> BUGabundo_work: could you post a syslog that shows the authentication error to the bug?
[13:20] <asac> at best replace the description
[13:21] <asac> BUGabundo_work: if oyu want you can open a new bug for the MPPE by default thing
[13:21] <asac> and point the other reports in the bug to that one (as some appear to have been struck by that too)
[13:34] <BUGabundo_work> asac: it could be great if we made a poll, and ask users on that bug to vote if it worked best with or without MPPE
[13:37] <asac> BUGabundo_work: well. bugs attract a highly biased user base :)
[13:38] <Bit_Breaker> hello all
[13:39] <Bit_Breaker> i was wondering if the images provided here, can be crafted to work in VBox
[13:39] <Bit_Breaker> http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> asac: (13:02:56) André:
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> Embora os dois serviços (msvpn e msvpn1) sejam semelhantes, têm algumas diferenças entre eles, por exemplo o msvpn1 suporta MPPC e também chaves statefull.
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> the admin says both machines are similar
[13:40] <Bit_Breaker> they are a part of this wikihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[13:40] <asac> Bit_Breaker: wouldnt think so. you could ask QA folks if they have prepared vbox images
[13:40] <BUGabundo_work> but mirror server as MPPC and statefull keys
[13:40] <Bit_Breaker> asac: ok who would that be? QA that is .
[13:41] <asac> Bit_Breaker: maybe ask on #ubuntu-testing .... but i think to remember that thats on their todo list. so most likely there are no vbox images yet
[13:42] <CaPriCoRN^80> persia: hi
[13:42] <CaPriCoRN^80> i have read the documentation
[13:43] <CaPriCoRN^80> i tried to report a bug related to 8.04
[13:43] <CaPriCoRN^80> but didnt get any response
[13:43] <BUGabundo_work> asac: you got me lost now!
[13:44] <BUGabundo_work> what bug log do you mean I should post to the bug??
[13:44] <asac> BUGabundo_work: no. reproduce the bug log that leads to the AUTHETNTICATION failure
[13:44] <asac> that wone with the =691 code
[13:44] <asac> BUGabundo_work: if you still have it somewhere just use that :)
[13:45] <Bit_Breaker> asac: thanks
[13:46] <BUGabundo_work> ill have to look for IRC logs and get the pastebin of it
[13:46] <Bit_Breaker> asac: how can i help make images for Vbox
[13:46] <BUGabundo_work> or my console logs... even maybe by grepping my syslog
[13:46] <BUGabundo_work> I never delete them
[13:46] <asac> Bit_Breaker: ask folks on #ubuntu-testing. they are the one to coordinate that imo. at best wait a day to make release dust settle there
[13:46] <asac> Bit_Breaker: they are most likely still busy
[13:46] <Bit_Breaker> ok
[14:31] <seb128> mvo: should bug #290921 stays open as an ubuntu bug if you opened a rt about it?
[14:33] <bddebian> Boo
[14:33] <mvo> seb128: I have no idea, it feels like it should given that its not resolved yet
[14:33] <mvo> but I don't have a strong opinion on it
[14:33] <seb128> mvo: that's not an ubuntu bug though, it has been moved to a rt which seems to correct media no?
[14:34] <mvo> ok, fine with me to close it "notforus" :)
[14:34]  * mvo thinks we need more close states
[14:34] <seb128> I don't really care but that's the sort of bugs which stay open for ever
[14:34] <seb128> that seems noise
[14:35] <mvo> I included the bugnumer in the ticket in the hope that RT would close it
[14:35] <mvo> but yeah, we might as well close it now that its forwarded
[14:37] <Ohmu_> I got a bug in gnome-ppp.  The init-string fields start at 2, not 1 (zero would be ok by me...), and they eat whatever values you put in them.  Next time you bring up the box, the values are reset.
[16:19] <joaopinto> anyone ever found this error: nslookup: parse of /etc/resolv.conf failed ?
[16:20] <joaopinto> my resolv.conf is a mixed result from networkmanager and the AT&T VPN client
[16:20] <joaopinto> and it looks fine to me :P
[17:13] <afflux> we had some issues with -386 packages being installed around gutsy or so, didn't we?
[17:13] <afflux> anyone happen to have the report at hand?
[18:37] <psusi> so what do you do with a bug report that has been filed in a language you do not understand?
[18:38] <bdmurray> psusi: do you have any idea what language it is?
[18:38] <psusi> looks like it might be german
[18:39] <bdmurray> I think we have some people who know german here
[18:40] <bdmurray> I hate to just close the bug report as the person is making an effort to help out
[18:40] <thekorn> psusi, can you give me the bug number
[18:40] <psusi> yea, bug #175329
[18:41] <thekorn> psusi, yes germen, let me have a look
[18:41] <psusi> well, the report is also a year old so... maybe I should just close it for being old and ask them to change it back to new if they are still around...
[18:44] <thekorn> hmm, its about updating this package in 7.10, I think I'll close this bug and ask him to reopen if this is still a problem
[18:44] <psusi> sounds good to me
[18:44] <psusi> thanks
[18:44] <bdmurray> thekorn: could you also mention bug reports are more likely to get attention if reported in English?
[18:44] <thekorn> yes, will do
[18:45] <bdmurray> Thanks!
[19:51] <asac> bdmurray: you really want to keep non-native bugs open?
[19:52] <asac> bdmurray: i mean then we should do that officially and try to get a "bug" translator team up ;)
[19:52] <asac> i usually just close stuff
[19:52] <bdmurray> asac: yeah, I think having a bug translation team would be a good idea
[19:54] <asac> well. for me requiring a proxy isnt that promissing ;)
[19:54] <asac> translation team would be at least more-responsive than the average bug triager ;)
[19:54] <asac> otherwise they would probably be a bottle neck
[21:27] <hamza> hi , i have a problem with playing video w
[21:27] <hamza> anyone here ?!
[21:28] <maco> yes, but if it's a help request, that goes in #ubuntu
[21:28] <maco> this channel's mostly for triaging
[21:34] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[21:35] <asac> BUGabundo: ?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> hi
[21:35] <BUGabundo> just uploaded a log to 272185
[21:35] <BUGabundo> updating now to nm4
[21:35] <BUGabundo> and trying the new timeout
[21:36] <asac> BUGabundo: do you get the timeout error?
[21:36] <maco> oh oh where's the server team (i think?) so they can freak about contentless-pings?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> with nm3 yes
[21:36] <maco> ^_^
[21:36] <asac> BUGabundo: right
[21:36] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah give it a try .... buts ridiculous already
[21:36] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64815/
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I'm now 3mts from the AP
[21:37] <BUGabundo> of course RADIUS servers here suck...
[21:37] <asac> BUGabundo: well. go ahead
[21:37] <asac> let me know if this thing succeeds after ages ;)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I also failed to connect to another AP with out encription
[21:37] <BUGabundo> and noticed that if I ran sudo dhclient wlan2 I would get connected
[21:37] <asac> thats something different most likely
[21:38] <asac> BUGabundo: thats a driver bug then most likely
[21:38] <asac> or maybe wpasupplicant in a bad state after broken EAP attempts
[21:39]  * BUGabundo hopes PPA download speed is better then Main and mirrors
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I've seen mirrors with 70 system load
[21:39] <BUGabundo> its crazy!!!
[21:39] <ogra> the whole datacenter suffers on release day :)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:39] <asac> sounds warm ;)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I track a mirror here!
[21:39] <asac> like holiday ;)
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and we just wish it can make through the weekend
[21:39] <ogra> asac, well, there is a holiday tomorrow :)
[21:40] <asac> ogra: not here
[21:40] <BUGabundo> http://neacm.fe.up.pt/stats/sysinfo/
[21:40] <ogra> unless hamburg switched to be catholic
[21:40] <BUGabundo> Load Averages     24.17 22.36 22.19
[21:40] <asac> ogra: no ... its not a public holiday here even though we are not catholic
[21:40] <BUGabundo> asac: reboot to get the new NM4
[21:40] <asac> most likely this means that there is no religion here
[21:41] <ogra> heh
[21:41] <asac> ogra: or maybe i just have never heard of this day ;)
[21:41] <ogra> oh, carp
[21:41] <ogra> *crap even
[21:41] <asac> I'll will certainly notice when no stores have open tomorrow
[21:41] <asac> ;)
[21:41] <ogra> "am Fr.,31.10. ist Reformationstag
[21:41] <ogra> gesetzlicher Feiertag in Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Sachsen, Sachsen-Anhalt, Thüringen."
[21:41] <asac> see
[21:41] <ogra> gah
[21:41] <asac> thats how it works
[21:42] <asac> ostfeiertag halt
[21:42]  * ogra has to work tomorrow
[21:42] <ogra> heh
[21:42] <BUGabundo> by the way asac
[21:42] <asac> ogra: glaube das liegt daran, dass die dort luther hatten ;)
[21:42] <BUGabundo> how do I do use wpa manually?
[21:42] <BUGabundo> I'm out of train
[21:42] <BUGabundo> haven't used it since gutsy
[21:42] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:42] <ogra> asac, niedersachsen hatter reformationstag bis vor n paar jahren :/
[21:45] <BUGabundo> asac: back
[21:46] <asac> BUGabundo: well. now it takes at most 3 minutes until we know more
[21:46] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[21:46] <BUGabundo> Oct 30 21:46:06 blubug NetworkManager: <info>  (wlan2): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 4
[21:46] <BUGabundo> Oct 30 21:46:21 blubug NetworkManager: <info>  wlan2: link timed out.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> or not!
[21:46] <asac> BUGabundo: no thats ok
[21:46] <asac> the usual confusing messages from driver
[21:46] <asac> if you wouldnt get that it wouldnt take so long in the first place
[21:46] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[21:47] <asac> BUGabundo: do you tail the wpasupplicant.log?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> OT do you have a LP bug for the Tainted Network messages when modprob -r iwlagn && modprob iwlagn
[21:47] <asac> thats important ... i want to see whats going on during connect attempt
[21:47] <BUGabundo> i'am
[21:48] <asac> BUGabundo: tainted?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> hummm no
[21:48] <asac> i dont get those ;)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> not wpasupp
[21:48] <BUGabundo> just syslog
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I get ... should I file a new bug?
[21:48] <asac> BUGabundo: yes why not.
[21:48]  * BUGabundo tailing wpasup
[21:48] <asac> BUGabundo: if it still fails after 3 minutes i need wpasupp
[21:49] <asac> log together with syslog
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:49] <BUGabundo> CTRL-EVENT-EAP-FAILURE EAP authentication failed
[21:49] <BUGabundo> 2nd try with fresh logs
[21:49] <asac> BUGabundo: flush the drivers too before that
[21:49] <BUGabundo> OpenSSL: tls_connection_handshake - Failed to read possible Application Data error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0)
[21:50] <BUGabundo> how do I do that?
[21:50] <asac> BUGabundo: reload the modeules
[21:50] <BUGabundo> naaa
[21:50] <asac> then give NM some time to settle
[21:50] <BUGabundo> if I do that I need to reboot
[21:50] <asac> then tail stuff and reproduce
[21:50] <asac> BUGabundo: you need?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> I can't get my wifi back
[21:50] <BUGabundo> if I remove the module
[21:50] <BUGabundo> that's why I said I get a tainted message
[21:51] <asac> sounds quite bad
[21:51] <BUGabundo> even if I turn WiFi off from NM
[21:51] <BUGabundo> it won't came back
[21:51] <asac> please paste output of modinfo iwlagn
[21:51] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/64824/
[21:51] <asac> BUGabundo: but you are sure its Tunneled TLS what you need?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I'm sure
[21:52] <BUGabundo> it worked just fine with Hardy
[21:52] <asac> yeah get me the logs first then
[21:52] <BUGabundo> and previous versions of nm0.7
[21:52] <asac> BUGabundo: do you still have the hardy kernels ?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> but now it won't even connect
[21:52] <BUGabundo> nop
[21:52] <asac> BUGabundo: what did you do with those?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> just 2.6.26-5 and 2.6.27-7
[21:52] <BUGabundo> apt-get remove
[21:52] <asac> BUGabundo: maybe try .26
[21:53] <asac> BUGabundo: thats a bad idea
[21:53] <asac> you should always keep them ;)
[21:53] <asac> they do no harm :-P
[21:53] <BUGabundo> it was working!!! lol
[21:53] <BUGabundo> as I said, only in the last week and a halt it stoped
[21:53] <asac> BUGabundo: what is working?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> before that I had lots of timeouts
[21:53] <BUGabundo> wifi with eduroam
[21:53] <asac> BUGabundo: yeah try 26 kernel please
[21:53] <BUGabundo> aint that what we are talking about?
[21:54] <asac> well you are not always precise
[21:54] <asac> so i have to ask seemingly stupid questions sometimes
[21:54] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:54] <BUGabundo> no prob
[21:54] <BUGabundo> I'll try to be more precise
[21:54] <BUGabundo> be right back
[21:55] <BUGabundo> NM [finally] connected to the other AP (without encription)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> going to test VPN over WiFi
[21:55] <asac> BUGabundo: that works for me
[21:55] <BUGabundo> need to unplug the eth to be sure I'm using the correct connection
[21:55] <asac> BUGabundo: better get this issue sortd. dont get distracted ;)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:55] <asac> try .26 kernel
[21:56] <asac> also try to do it manually with a wpa_supplicant.conf
[21:59] <asac> Burgundavia: ^^ also i am still waiting for a supplicant log ;)
[22:10] <angusthefuzz> do any of you maintain the list of bug testing virtualbox images: http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[22:10] <angusthefuzz> The link is on the bug wiki knowledgebase page
[22:19] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: I'm familiar with them but don't maintain them
[22:20] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: the list is just really out of date and I wondered how I might help make some new images for testing
[22:20] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I happen to have server and desktop default installs for virtualbox already and I thought i might package them up for others to use
[22:21] <angusthefuzz> (8.10)
[22:22]  * BUGabundo loves to run on 800x600.... bah old kernels...
[22:22] <BUGabundo> asac: 2.6.26-5 only has iwl4965 not iwlagn
[22:22] <BUGabundo> can't even turn my wifi on!
[22:22] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: could you e-mail the ubuntu-qa mailing list about that so it can be discussed?
[22:23] <angusthefuzz> sure
[22:23] <BUGabundo> asac: rebooting to 2.6.27-7
[22:23] <bdmurray> We've discussed providing virtual machine images before and I think it would be quite useful
[22:24] <BUGabundo> bdmurray: for upgrade testing?
[22:24]  * BUGabundo rebooting
[22:24] <bdmurray> BUGabundo: or SRU verification
[22:26] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I also think it would be useful, that way triagers can test things without messing with their own system
[22:26] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: right and install strange packages
[22:26] <angusthefuzz> or patches, etc
[22:28] <BUGabundo> asac: tailing new logs
[22:29] <BUGabundo> asac: [   16.660173] cfg80211: Regulatory domain: US
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I'm in Europe... lol
[22:34] <BUGabundo> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64846/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/64847/
[22:34]  * BUGabundo is this thing on??
[22:34] <BUGabundo> ping ubottu
[22:35] <BUGabundo> ping ubottu
[22:35] <BUGabundo> ubottu: ping
[22:35] <BUGabundo> ahh its alive
[22:35] <BUGabundo> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/64846/ & http://paste.ubuntu.com/64847/
[22:40] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: the email has been sent, hopefully it will be well-received
[22:41] <BUGabundo> Call Trace: \n [<ffffffff8024e9b4>] warn_on_slowpath+0x64/0x90 \n Pid: 7019, comm: wpa_supplicant Tainted
[22:41] <BUGabundo> means anything to anyone?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/291291
[22:53] <asac> BUGabundo: looks bad ... i think its a bad idea to unload reload module when wpasupp is still running
[22:53] <BUGabundo> then make it resileant to it
[22:53] <BUGabundo> I just used NM
[22:54] <asac> NM has nothing to do with that tainted thing
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I just clicked on the nm-applet to turn WiFi off
[22:56] <BUGabundo> if that is what is inloading modules
[22:56] <BUGabundo> then there is where we need to start fixing
[22:56] <asac> no its the driver that goes down
[22:56] <asac> no its not
[22:56] <asac> anyway thanks so far. we will see
[22:57] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:57] <BUGabundo> just trying to debug
[22:58] <BUGabundo> asac: I also uploaded the wpa logs
[23:37] <angusthefuzz> bdmurray: I just found out that test image maintainer is an open qa position: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/KeyPositions
[23:38] <bdmurray> angusthefuzz: oh, so it is!
[23:40] <angusthefuzz> maybe this will prompt them to fill the position :-)
[23:48] <hggdh> angusthefuzz, why don't you propose for that?
[23:50] <angusthefuzz> hggdh: I am thinking about it.  I am worried that my upload isnt fast enough for multiple weekly images (i only get about 50 KB/s)
[23:50] <hggdh> huh, that's not going to do the trick...
[23:50]  * Hobbsee is wondering how the images actually get made.
[23:51]  * hggdh was also thinking (in a tortuous way) about that
[23:51] <angusthefuzz> Hobbsee: basically you perform an install in virtualbox, then take the resulting image file and zip it up
[23:51] <Hobbsee> angusthefuzz: ahhh
[23:51] <angusthefuzz> the trick is to do nothing to the install, to keep it as default as possible
[23:51] <hggdh> aye
[23:52] <angusthefuzz> but whoever filled that role would constantly be downloading isos and installing and reuploading them
[23:52] <hggdh> methinks VBox could be automated for that
[23:52] <angusthefuzz> hggdh: I agree
[23:52] <Hobbsee> the biggest problem there would be when the iso's don't install.
[23:52]  * Hobbsee --> uni
[23:52] <Hobbsee> which is a lot of the time
[23:52] <Hobbsee> and/or the installer dosen't work.
[23:53] <hggdh> the problem is actually more complex: in the US most ISPs now impose a download cap per month -- 5G, usually
[23:53] <angusthefuzz> luckily mine isnt one of them
[23:53] <Hobbsee> hggdh: not all countries have that, fortunately.
[23:53] <Hobbsee> (mine does too, though)
[23:53] <hggdh> downloading all ISOs may very much blow the cap
[23:53] <angusthefuzz> and actually, I have access to a university network that is plenty fast enough
[23:53] <Hobbsee> hggdh: stick 'em on a linode or something.  WOuldn't be overly difficult.
[23:53] <Hobbsee> a lot fo people have servers around
[23:53] <hggdh> but this could be split, with some people working, each on a ISO image
[23:54] <angusthefuzz> hggdh: also, im not sure weekly is necessary, maybe even every other week would provide updated enough images most of the time
[23:54] <angusthefuzz> its better than right now, I think 7.10 is the latest they have
[23:54] <hggdh> we would need an update every time a new alpha, beta, or rc, or GA is put out
[23:54] <angusthefuzz> hggdh: yes, definitely
[23:55] <hggdh> so this puts the crunch only in the last few weeks of a release cycle
[23:55] <angusthefuzz> hggdh: back to your automation comment, I am not sure vbox could go through an install without any manual input
[23:56] <hggdh> I am not sure how we could answer the default install questions automated
[23:56] <angusthefuzz> that would be tricky, if its even possible, plus I wouldnt be there to file new bugs if I found problems
[23:57] <mrooney> Is there an easy way to switch locales, say to debug an issue?
[23:58] <hggdh> mrooney, I *knew* the answer -- and it was simple. But I forgot... :-(
[23:59] <mrooney> For example if I want to see an issue with a translation, how might I get applications to use it?


[11:47] <elacheche> o/ Nuage
[11:50] <elacheche> o/
[11:52] <elacheche> Na3iL: so! you mnaged to pass that quizz! x)
[11:56] <Na3iL> elacheche, I didn't played the stage 2 too long x)
[11:56] <Na3iL> but I have plan for it tonight! :D
[11:57] <elacheche> :) Na3iL :) K
[11:57] <Na3iL> and you in what stage?
[12:02] <elacheche> The last one.. It's about docker, should be easy to solve using docker-compose, but I don't master it, so I lost the 1st 50min trying to using docker-compose, then the 2nd 50min trying to figure out why I can't use the containers without compose, for the last quizz you'll get access to an other VM for 50mn (no further spoilers :p)
[20:09] <elacheche> Hey chaker wassup! There is a nice It/SysAdmin quizz that you'll like to try :D → https://redd.it/4y46zb
[20:09] <elacheche> s/ chaker / crack3r


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[08:38] <blaze> should I create a packaging request for https://phabricator.kde.org/source/clazy/ ?
[08:39] <blaze> It's problematic to build in the ppa though
[08:39] <blaze> needs a lot of free memory
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[09:50] <acheronuk> blaze: there is a ITP bug in debian and some packaging from sgclark in salsa
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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[12:21] <BluesKaj> As per the release schedule, Cosmic is now in Feature Freeze.
 @acheronuk slightly good news: I got only a few acc tests failing after the rebuild: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_frameworks.html
 I think I will have some time this afternoon to test the new failures and at least get the actual error messages (I pasted here kio's error yesterday)
 I see. Thanks :)
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 @Santa, kio uploaded. nearly forgot!
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 the acc is going to fail I presume, but thanks!
 regarding the other acc failures I have just tested kparts locally
 pretty much the same issue than KIO, let me pastebin...
 https://paste.kde.org/psyzuaqbv/cidnjo
 @Santa, oh. drat
 btw do you know if the systemd problem with autopkgtests images was solved
 because we had to put it on hold to avoid it breaking the network iirc do you remember?
 I don't know for certain, but as I've not heard a thing I would guess it has
 @Santa, whre is dump1.h from?
 generated by acc?
 I think that's something that abi-compliance-checker generates automatically
 yep
 This sounds like a acc bug/issue
 yes
 but I would like to see what happens if we rebuild qtbase against -proposed and then these packages against that
 @tsimonq2 ^^^^
 let's test that before doing it for real
 the reason why I'm doing that conjecture is the following: we have these options in the acc tests:
 @Santa, your setup will do that?
 I will try to test that, yes
 KIO -> -I/usr/lib/@@DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH@@/qt5/mkspecs/linux-lsb-g++
 KHMTL -> -I/usr/lib/@@DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH@@/qt5/mkspecs/common/posix/
 KPARTS -> -I/usr/lib/@@DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH@@/qt5/mkspecs/common/posix
 and these ↑ are the three which are failing now. also note that I can't confirm yet what package triggered that, but my guess was libc
 right. have to take your word there, as not sure what on earth that is doing :P
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 @Santa, Why do you want to no-change rebuild qtbase when a dependency of qtbase has not changed?
 @tsimonq2, I don't want to do anything in the archive yet until we have better evidence of what's going on
 @Santa, OK.
 @tsimonq2 sorry. I missunderstood
 @acheronuk, Ack, no problem.
[16:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_mailcommon build #321: STILL FAILING in 2 min 38 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_mailcommon/321/
[16:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_mailcommon build #121: STILL FAILING in 3 min 31 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_mailcommon/121/
[16:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_stable_mailcommon build #33: STILL FAILING in 3 min 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_stable_mailcommon/33/
 ok, khtml fails with the same error, "no statx for you"
[16:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[16:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_mailcommon build #64: FIXED in 24 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_mailcommon/64/
 khtml acc test passes without -proposed
 may have to try without proposed, but just new glibc from there
 aaaand...
 qtbase fails to build against -proposed, "no statx for you"
 let me pastebin the error...
 https://paste.kde.org/pdkafqi3c/yp9w9k
 @Santa, http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/src/corelib/io?h=5.11.2&id=25feee4e061b99edab79503d81f5bd045c6c8e3d
 @acheronuk, Does it need cherry-picking?
 maybe
 ugh
 It seems it does.
 @Santa would that fix the acc for things built against it you think?
 maybe
 in any case one thing is true: qtbase fails to build and must be fixed before anything else. also, we have a new libc which is what is triggering the issue https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc
 @tsimonq2 full commit http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?h=5.11.2&id=25feee4e061b99edab79503d81f5bd045c6c8e3d
 ack
 khtml still fails with the same error, but at least we already fixed a problem
 glibc also breaks the kopete jabber protocol plugin build. may have to disable that for now
[22:59] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kopete build #62: STILL FAILING in 4 min 59 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kopete/62/
[23:00] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kopete build #273: STILL FAILING in 4 min 50 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kopete/273/


[09:33] <DimitrisGR> hello all, I have an issue with the BACKSPACE key in firefox. It does not work :P. The browser.backspace_action is set to 2. I installed the beta version (43) and the issue remains.


[07:07] <MarkoM2> Is there a lv2 plugin of Hexter somewhere or just the standalone version?
[11:45] <UbStNewb> greetings


[16:49] <pavlushka> So you are Hajjaj, the researcher? LP; https://launchpad.net/researcher
[16:50] <pavlushka> and profile https://launchpad.net/~mhajjaj
[16:50] <Kilos> looks like no one remembers about irc


[14:55] <manueldmgz> hi
[14:55] <holstein> o/
[14:58] <jarnos> Is there a reason why xscreensaver is used instead of light-locker as screen locker in 14.04? By default, if I set "Lock screen before sleep" in session settings, and resume, my desktop is visible about 5 seconds before xscreensaver shows its lock screen.
[15:00] <jarnos> jarnos, BTW light-locker locks before sleep regardless of the Xfce setting; it has own setting dialog.
[15:00] <holstein> thats one of the first things i change.. i remove the locker/screensaver and use xtrlock
[15:01] <holstein> !info xtrlock
[15:01] <holstein> i know that changing the locker is on "the list" upstream as far as things do deal with
[17:05] <Guest98372> Hi! How to use Rakarrack and listen Youtube at the same time in Ubuntu Studio 14.04?
[22:41] <jarnos> holstein, If xscreensaver is used for locking, a workaround for desktop exposing is to add a launcher that runs a script "xflock4 && xfce4-session-logout -s", and have "Lock screen before sleep"  disabled in session settings; then you can choose if you suspend with or without locking. For some reason this does not work, if light-locker is used.