[12:00] <segin> sobersabre: what's your arch? Ia32?
[12:00] <pvh> segin: is it stupid or ignorant?
[12:00] <sobersabre> s/glsas/glass
[12:00] <segin> pvh: ill bet on both.
[12:00] <sobersabre> segin, i have many.
[12:00] <sobersabre> ;
[12:00] <segin> Does anyone here know anything what-so-ever about Ubuntu PowerPC?
[12:00] <sobersabre> segin, why do you ask ?
[12:01] <sobersabre> segin, what is the question ... ?
[12:01] <segin> what is the minimum required class of PPC CPU?
[12:01] <sobersabre> new world
[12:01] <metalsand`school> What's a PPC CPU?
[12:01] <sobersabre> segin, ubuntu is on 2.6
[12:02] <segin> i have a 603e and the install disk freezes every time
[12:02] <sobersabre> heh
[12:02] <segin> metalsand`school: PowerPC CPU
[12:02] <sobersabre> you should go for docs
[12:02] <metalsand`school> What exactly is that?
[12:02] <segin> metalsand`school: like a pentium, but completely diffrent :)
[12:02] <sobersabre> metalsand`school, it is ibm's cpu, "power PC"
[12:02] <metalsand`school> Hrmmm, how old of technology is that?
[12:02] <sobersabre> apple use them on macintosh computers
[12:02] <sobersabre> metalsand`school, it is the newest technology, actually
[12:03] <metalsand`school> I didn't know it was possible to run Linux on a mac
[12:03] <segin> sobersabre: no, it freezes without making any visual outpu what-so-ever. the BIOS cursor and checkerboard pattern are still showing
[12:03] <ivoks> metalsand lol :)
[12:03] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: it is a cpu made by pegaous ibm or motorola
[12:03] <ivoks> metalsand linux and freebsd can run on almost all platforms
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: it is superior to all
[12:04] <metalsand> ivoks: Whant to take another crack at it? :D
[12:04] <JairunCaloth> how do I stop the x-windows and get to a prompt. I need to install my video drivers
[12:04] <ivoks> WHAT?! PowerPC?!
[12:04] <sobersabre> hybrid_goth, it is ibm's technology...
[12:04] <segin> ivoks: does PPC linux needf a G3?
[12:04] <ivoks> metalsand no thanks... i don't know with hostap
[12:04] <metalsand> lol
[12:04] <metalsand> k.
[12:04] <ivoks> ?
[12:04] <hybrid_goth> sobersabre: yea but there is other ppc
[12:05] <sobersabre> yes, as core ... even in fpga
[12:05] <metalsand> Wait, so Apple doesn't make their own CPUs?
[12:05] <sobersabre> by xilinx
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: ppc is superior
[12:05] <sobersabre> anyway.
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: no
[12:05] <sobersabre> i must go.
[12:05] <sobersabre> cheers
[12:05] <metalsand> Cheers
[12:05] <segin> hybrid_goth: The PowerPC CPU was made by the AIM alliance, Apple, IBM, and Motorola. this fact is evident as originally the PowerPC logo was copyrighted by Motorola.
[12:05] <metalsand> I like that
[12:05] <ivoks> hybrid_goth to PC yes, but isn't best technology
[12:05] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: dont tell me sparc is better
[12:05] <ivoks> segin motorola isn't working on ppc any more
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> segin: what about the P one
[12:06] <ivoks> hybrid_goth alpha
[12:06] <segin> hybrid_goth: All older PPC chips have a motorola logo on them... can't say bout the newer ones
[12:06] <metalsand> Hrmm. I don't think the processing power of a top of the line G5 could compete with the top of line PC.
[12:06] <segin> ivoks: no shit. write me up a memo and file it under "shit i alerady know"
[12:06] <ivoks> metalsand ?!
[12:06] <hybrid_goth> segin: yea there was a ppc but not apple
[12:06] <metalsand> And there's absolutely NO chance it could compete memory bandwidth or graphically.
[12:06] <ivoks> metalsand G5 is faster
[12:06] <T5> its completely useless discussing this, i386 has won... thats it at least in absolute numbers
[12:07] <k31th> humm i might ditch my gentoo install on my laptop and ubuntu it
[12:07] <k31th> 'maybe'
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> correct me if i am wrong but didnt ibm make the first dual core cpu
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> and it was ppc
[12:07] <segin> hybrid_goth: Apple still had a hand in it's design. Or are you stating that wikipedia is wrong?
[12:07] <metalsand> i368 = ?
[12:07] <segin> metalsand: i386 = intel
[12:07] <metalsand> Which model
[12:07] <hybrid_goth> segin: yea it maybe b/c i believe there is still like an old world mac company but doesnt use mac os
[12:08] <ivoks> heh, even microsoft uses PPC for development of XBOX games...
[12:08] <wasabi_> anybody used ndb-client?
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: xbox 360 uses ppc
[12:09] <metalsand> Wow
[12:09] <ivoks> well... there u go :)
[12:09] <metalsand> How the hell is Microsoft supporting a primary used product by Apple
[12:09] <trondd> Hi! Today I installed ubuntu on two machines my self and persuaded two friends to try it on their laptop... Thats how impressed I am with it. Thanks to everyone who contribute to it!
[12:09] <ivoks> trondd spread the word
[12:09] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: m$ uses linux
[12:10] <sint> hey, i've planed to install ubuntu for a friend. does ubuntu have a package system?
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> and now supports it
[12:10] <petemc> metalsand: powerpc is ibm
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> wint: apt
[12:10] <ivoks> sint yes
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> Sint: apt
[12:10] <metalsand> I guess, petemc, but they're all used by Apple.
[12:10] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: IBM loves Linux
[12:10] <ivoks> PC was crap and IBM give it to everyone
[12:11] <ivoks> so was QDOS
[12:11] <holycow> ivoks, accidentally tho, they didn't mean to commoditize it and loose control over it
[12:11] <ivoks> and Microsoft buyed it
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> when ibm gets back into pc business i hope it is ppc w/linux
[12:11] <sint> ivoks: is there a way to get packages without installing it, so i have them there at my friends home
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: QDOS isnt that what m$ stole for dos
[12:11] <Burgundavia> anybody have experience with wacom tablets?
[12:11] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:11] <hybrid_goth> or "bought out"
[12:11] <metalsand> Yeah, why the heck did IBM sell their PC business?
[12:12] <segin> hybrid_goth: i have a ppc i want to put linux on, but it's an old ppc chip (1 with motorola logo instead of IBM)
[12:12] <ivoks> hybrid_goth they didn't stole, they buyed it
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> segin: g4? or old world
[12:12] <ivoks> segin u should get mk86 sarge
[12:12] <metalsand> Since I'm a poor High School student I had to go with a Dell Laptop (which I love), but I know IBM makes better products. Down the line it would awesome to purchase a brand new technolgy IBM laptop running off Linux
[12:12] <segin> hybrid_goth: old world, i guess... it's a 603e @ 100Mhz
[12:12] <sint> i'm currently downloading the 2 cd's but i wanna have some more software then just kde and stuff. my frief haven't got internet there
[12:12] <ivoks> hybrid_goth G3 was ibm
[12:12] <hybrid_goth> segin: then i sugesst gentoo or debian| ubuntu doesnt currently use old world
[12:12] <lotusleaf> only 22 hours left in my ubuntu download.. woo!
[12:13] <sint> firef -> friend
[12:13] <ivoks> sint ubuntu has over 16000 packages
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> ivoks: i kno i am on one and the g3 IBM is faster then g4 motorola
[12:13] <ivoks> sint i'm sure you will find everything you need :)
[12:13] <metalsand> Dio the same developers that work on Ubuntu work on Kubuntu?
[12:13] <sint> ivoks: k, thats something i understand :)
[12:13] <metalsand> Or is Kubuntu a sperate entity
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> seperate i believe
[12:13] <sint> ivoks: but i have to have internet to get packages??
[12:13] <hybrid_goth> yes
[12:13] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:14] <segin> hybrid_goth: god does that suck. all my blank disk are CD-RW and my mac's drive wont read CD-RW
[12:14] <Mabus> I need help with reinstalling GRUB from a livecd to a hoary system, anyone up for it ?
[12:14] <ivoks> sint well, they won't just apear :)
[12:14] <sint> ivoks: my friend doesn't have internet
[12:14] <ivoks> sint you can download packages, burn them on CD
[12:14] <ivoks> sint and copy them to hard disk
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> unless segin: ouch
[12:14] <segin> hybrid_goth: so there isn't anything i can do, like bootstrap it from MacOS?
[12:14] <sint> ivoks: thats what i wanna hear :D
[12:14] <hybrid_goth> segin: use debian netinstall
[12:15] <segin> hybrid_goth: 1 problem: requires net
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> segin: no 'net? connect it once
[12:15] <lotusleaf> To hell with the cowards who say "I have a 56k modem, I can't download ubuntu!"  Hard core! East side! West Side! Awww yeah
[12:15] <ivoks> sint just copy all *.deb to /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:15] <ivoks> sint and don't delete them
[12:15] <Fac51> how can i change MACHTYPE from i386-pc-linuc-gnu... to whatever?
[12:15] <Fac51> linux*
[12:15] <segin> hybrid_goth: i have no ethernet card on my mac... they are virtually non-existent
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> lotusleaf: heheheheh
[12:15] <hybrid_goth> segin: ah
[12:15] <ivoks> segin you are doomed :)
[12:16] <metalsand> I think it took me about 35 minutes on my 6MB cable connection
[12:16] <segin> hybrid_goth and i don't know how to make my lintel box into a SLIP server
[12:16] <metalsand> I also have the 3 GB DVD iso
[12:16] <thom_> Hi everyone i need a little bit of help
[12:16] <sint> ivoks: ok, where can i find them?
[12:16] <metalsand> What's bitchx?
[12:17] <thom_> I just installed Ubuntu but.. i dint had to insert a root pasword.. but now i cant become su plzz help me
[12:17] <segin> metalsand: IRC client
[12:17] <sint> ivoks: i mean, where to download the packages. haven't found them on the website
[12:17] <hyphenated> thom_: use sudo
[12:17] <Fackamato> Anyone using Firefox 1.03 and having issues with Macromedia's Flash ?
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: cli irc client
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> it sux
[12:17] <dataw0lf|w> metalsand: irc client, amongst other things.
[12:17] <goldfish_> irssi is better
[12:17] <Mabus> thom_: read the topic
[12:17] <ivoks> sint on ur mirror... example:
[12:17] <dataw0lf|w> metalsand: and most people who don't know what they're doing will tell you that it sucks.
[12:17] <hybrid_goth> yup
[12:17] <thom_> hyphenated, Ofcourse :( sighgggg
[12:17] <metalsand> I tried IRSSI
[12:17] <sint> k
[12:17] <metalsand> but it's hard to manage windows
[12:17] <sint> i will check out the mirrors
[12:17] <hyphenated> thom_: you can set a root password if you want, but there's no pressing need for it
[12:18] <hyphenated> thom_: it just sustains old habits :-)
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> dataw0lflw: irssi pwns bitchx
[12:18] <metalsand> I'm just not familar enough to code stuff that would show when someone's querying me, and stuff
[12:18] <ivoks> sint http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[12:18] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid_goth: I'm sure.  Nice tab completion btw.
[12:18] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:18] <metalsand> is there anyway to change the font/text in terminal?
[12:18] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: yes
[12:18] <ivoks> sint you should download all debs there
[12:18] <metalsand> How?
[12:19] <Octron> Gnome.... you know I've never tried gnome and it's really not that bad is it
[12:19] <ivoks> sint watch out... there are GB and GB of files :)
[12:19] <Fator_Dee> edit -> profile / current profile -> general
[12:19] <thom_> hyphenated, But thats the problem.. i dont have sudo rights 2
[12:19] <amaro> it seems gentoo is here because people like to see text scroll over the screen 24/7
[12:19] <sint> all debs ;)
[12:19] <metalsand> What are the largest files on the reposotries?
[12:19] <amaro> is that right?
[12:19] <lotusleaf> I defecated on my windows CDs
[12:19] <Ranok> lol
[12:19] <hyphenated> thom_: are you sure?
[12:19] <metalsand> amaro: that may be bad :P
[12:19] <ivoks> sint you can do that easily with wget
[12:19] <Ranok> ummmm, I have a question
[12:20] <metalsand> Could always be text scrolling because people are always having problems with Ubuntu
[12:20] <Ranok> what are the minimun sys reqs for ubuntu
[12:20] <metalsand> Gentoo does have 2x the amount of people in the channel, you'd think it'd at least be equal in activity to Ubuntu
[12:20] <thom_> hyphenated, I have it already.. sorry its half past 12 at night and i dint have slept last night so im a bit dumb
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[12:20] <hyphenated> thom_: when you installed it, you created a user, right? that user should have sudo privileges. when you try to do (for example) 'sudo /bin/bash' it'll ask for your password
[12:20] <amaro> metalsand, when I have two or three monitors on my desk.. I'll think about getting gentoo.. hehehe... I don't want to waste a monitor doing nothing
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> 21 seeds and i am the only leecher
[12:20] <hybrid_goth> wo0t wo0t
[12:20] <thom_> i know ;)
[12:20] <Ranok> lol whatcha getting?
[12:21] <thom_> hyphenated, i know.. i knew but i forgot :P
[12:21] <Ranok> ^^ hybrid
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> Ranok: c bible
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> and c++
[12:21] <Fackamato> shit
[12:21] <hybrid_goth> :D
[12:21] <Ranok> ok
[12:21] <ivoks> sint wget -r -A deb http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[12:21] <Fackamato> I've 256mb ram and 311mb used swapspace
[12:21] <thom_> hyphenated, Thankz for the help
[12:22] <metalsand> Someone should make a DVD iso with the 5 most popular Linux distros running Live CDs
[12:22] <metalsand> That'd be awesome
[12:22] <wdh> Fackamato, what does shit have to do with memory?
[12:22] <sint> ivoks: thanks
[12:22] <hybrid_goth> lol
[12:22] <Fackamato> wdh: ?
[12:22] <Ranok> what are the min sys reqs for ubuntu?
[12:23] <Fackamato> 256mb ram, 800mhz
[12:23] <hybrid_goth> metalsand: a dvd with 5 ddistros better be dual disc and it would be ubuntu gentoo mandravia suse fedora
[12:23] <Fackamato> something like that
[12:23] <Fackamato> and ~2gb ;P
[12:23] <metalsand> Nah
[12:23] <lotusleaf> someone should make a DVD with a floppy distro on it as a LiveCd and nothing else, just to waste the DVD space. Give it a cool name, hype it, etc. only to piss ppl off
[12:23] <metalsand> They fit live boots on CDs
[12:23] <metalsand> CD = 700 megs
[12:23] <metalsand> 5x700 = 3500 megs, that can easily fit on a DVD
[12:23] <sint> ivoks: i've seen some tar.gz files there. does ubuntu support to compile packages with the package manager?
[12:23] <hybrid_goth> Ranok: like 350 mb for mini and 128 ram
[12:23] <amaro> How much can a DVD store?
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> 4 gb
[12:24] <ivoks> sint ?
[12:24] <goldfish_> 4.7gb
[12:24] <metalsand> 4.7 GB, yes.
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> what can dual layer store
[12:24] <metalsand> I have a dual layer burner, too.
[12:24] <amaro>  4.7 GIGS!
[12:24] <amaro> wow
[12:24] <Fator_Dee> twice that
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> wow
[12:24] <sint> ivoks: http://hr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer_1.0-pre6.orig.tar.gz
[12:24] <hybrid_goth> 9.4 gigs
[12:24] <sint> as an example
[12:24] <amaro> damn, I need to buy myself a DVD burner.. I can easily backup my most important files on a DVD
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> but dl-dvds are quite pricey
[12:25] <lotusleaf> festival> (SayText"I like to poop in my hand and say what a beautiful creature")
[12:25] <metalsand> I think it'd be REALLY awesome if someone made a Dual Layer DVD iso with the five most popular Linux distros (Live Boot + Install)
[12:25] <sint> ivoks: anyway, i won't comile anything
[12:25] <metalsand> Yeah
[12:25] <hybrid_goth> i wornder if there is an external dvd dual layer burner
[12:25] <metalsand> Dual Layer DVDs are like 8 bucks
[12:25] <goldfish_> metalsand: go organize it.
[12:25] <sint> ivoks: i was just wondering about this files
[12:25] <amaro> How much does a DVD Burner cost?
[12:25] <metalsand> goldfish_: I've been using Linux for about a week
[12:25] <metalsand> lol
[12:25] <metalsand> Or else I would
[12:25] <ivoks> sint you can do whatever you want
[12:25] <goldfish_> :)
[12:25] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: that's quite much
[12:25] <metalsand> Exactly, Fator_Dee
[12:25] <Ranok> what about tri-boot
[12:26] <hybrid_goth> brb
[12:26] <Ranok> I have win xp, gentoo, and ubuntu?
[12:26] <metalsand> I kinda' want to play with Gentoo
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> I buy my dvds from germany, 100 dvd+r for a ~50 euros, that's a good bargain on my opinion
[12:26] <metalsand> Since it's so popular
[12:26] <amaro> Fator_Dee, why do you need 100 DVD-Rs?
[12:26] <metalsand> Seems like a rip, Fator
[12:26] <Ranok> you have to compile the kernel with system flags and support for all your hardware and drivers
[12:26] <metalsand> I pay on average like 38 american cents for one DVD
[12:26] <Ranok> no fun
[12:26] <Ranok> no greenies
[12:26] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: hell off a lot cheaper than buing from here in finland
[12:27] <wdh> Fator_Dee, thats not double layer though
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> and actually, I don't even remember the price correctly
[12:27] <sint> ivoks: ok, i will try to install. thanks for your help :)
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> wdh: nope, and I didn't say so
[12:27] <metalsand> I just got my laptop case
[12:27] <metalsand> I love it
[12:27] <metalsand> Shinza Zeroshock
[12:27] <amaro> Is there a way to install Windows fonts on Ubuntu?
[12:27] <wdh> Fator_Dee, true :P
[12:27] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: you live in america, I live in europe :-\
[12:27] <ivoks> :)
[12:28] <metalsand> I know, Fator. What can I say, I live a good life. :P
[12:28] <darkaudit> amaro: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:28] <Fator_Dee> (or at least I got that kind of image)
[12:28] <amaro> I don't think they include FixedSys font
[12:29] <Fator_Dee> but hey, in here they are like 10dvds for ~10-20 euros, so I'll continue to buy my discs from germany :-p
[12:29] <darkaudit> hmm... wonder if mame32 would work on the XP box with the roms on this one...
[12:30] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: and I'm happy with my life in here :-)
[12:30] <metalsand> I'm sure you are. :)
[12:30] <metalsand> I hear good things about Finland all the time. :)
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> I'd be totally lost in america, where's the sauna, where's all to foods I'm used to :-p
[12:31] <Fator_Dee> *to = the
[12:33] <Ranok> exaclty
[12:33] <ivoks> i wouln'd go to USA, too
[12:33] <ivoks> man, don't like that country
[12:33] <metalsand> lol
[12:33] <metalsand> You wouldn't come to America because there's no saunas?
[12:33] <ivoks> me?
[12:34] <ivoks> no... because u don't eat food, but... well...
[12:34] <ivoks> you like GMO, we don'
[12:34] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: if I couldn't go to sauna if I moved to America, I wouldn't move :-(
[12:34] <metalsand> I live in Laguna Beach - 2nd highest property taxes in the U.S., the resteraunts in town provide ALL types of food, and are pretty much famous for being some of the most amazing food in the U.S.
[12:34] <hybrid_goth> back
[12:34] <ivoks> you don't have health ensurance :)
[12:34] <metalsand> Strange, Fator.
[12:34] <g0dot> is there a way to disable the "minimize window" effect under ubuntu/gnome?
[12:34] <metalsand> But there's plenty of Saunas everywhere.
[12:35] <ivoks> metalsand that food is GMO
[12:35] <metalsand> My college has a few Saunas :)
[12:35] <metalsand> GMO?
[12:35] <ivoks> you don't even know what GMO is
[12:35] <Fator_Dee> metalsand: well, I've been going to saunas since I was a baby, maybe that's got something to do with it :-)
[12:35] <metalsand> No, I don't ivoks.
[12:35] <ivoks> Fator_Dee greetings to raikonen :)
[12:35] <darkling> GMO == Genetically Modified Organisms
[12:36] <Fator_Dee> ivoks: :-)
[12:36] <metalsand> ivoks: My friend and his family from croatia that I told you about love the food here.
[12:36] <ivoks> metalsand well... they are freaks
[12:37] <metalsand> Your knowledge of the U.S. is biased ;)
[12:37] <ivoks> metalsand GMO means that you eat tomato with rat's gens
[12:38] <hybrid_goth> freaks rule
[12:38] <metalsand> That's just silly ;)
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand :) no, i know you don't have prsut (prscutio), natural tomatos and natural food
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand it would't be great if I'm only imagine
[12:38] <metalsand> Apparently not, ivoks. ;)
[12:38] <ivoks> metalsand but, I don't
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand USA is only contry in world that propageds GMO food
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand that's beacuse you don't have natural resources to feed all those people
[12:39] <metalsand> Not every crop is "GMO", in fact I'm sure a very small portion are.
[12:39] <ivoks> metalsand and food has to be engeeinerd
[12:40] <ivoks> metalsand i think that more than 50% is
[12:40] <ivoks> metalsand i would have to check for detailed percentage
[12:40] <metalsand> Doubtful, and I'm sure none of that stuff is acceptable in Laguna Beach.
[12:41] <ivoks> well.. time for bed
[12:41] <hybrid_goth> g'nite
[12:41] <metalsand> G'night, ivoks
[12:41] <ivoks> bye all
[12:42] <JairunCaloth> I guess I need to install my moniter drivers to be able to set my refresh rate higher?
[12:42] <srichter> hello everyone
[12:42] <hybrid_goth> hi
[12:42] <srichter> I am totally new to Debian and Ubuntu
[12:43] <srichter> I am looking for the setup program for the network
[12:43] <srichter> it detected the network during setup, but now it will not work anymore
[12:43] <JanC> JairunCaloth : no, just set is higher  :)
[12:44] <JairunCaloth> it won't let me set it higher
[12:44] <JairunCaloth> it's locked at like 60
[12:44] <JanC> not in the GUI
[12:44] <JanC> hm
[12:45] <chase> does anyone know where i can get a copy of the mp4v2 librarys?
[12:45] <chase> i need them to copy m4p's to my iPod
[12:46] <hybrid_goth> whats an m4p
[12:46] <transgress> mp4 i do believe is what he means
[12:46] <chase> its an evil file used by iTunes
[12:46] <chase> transgress, well its right format but the extention is m4p
[12:47] <transgress> oh really?  umm that's grand
[12:47] <chase> if you buy music off iTunes its delived as an m4p,
[12:47] <JanC> JairunCaloth : try the following
[12:47] <JanC> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <JanC> in a terminal window
[12:47] <chase> if you want your ipod to use audiobooks you get an m4b
[12:47] <transgress> that'll teach you to buy music
[12:47] <chase> ye i know :-(
[12:48] <JairunCaloth> should I let it auto detect?
[12:48] <transgress> i don't have to look for odd formats when i steal music
[12:48] <JanC> buy your music as mp3 or ogg vorbis or flac  :)
[12:48] <chase> but it worked fine when i had itunes but now i still need the librarys to use use the music i DID buy
[12:48] <chase> JanC, i dont know anywhere that sell mp3's
[12:48] <hybrid_goth> chase: use google for music type -inurl:.html -inurl:.shtml "index of" ogg/mp3 "song or artist"
[12:48] <Bazzi> chase +1 victim of apple.
[12:48] <chase> napster does wmvs
[12:49] <JanC> chase : there are many, just not from the major labels...
[12:49] <JairunCaloth> since I have an nvidia card, I should choose the nvidia x server driver?
[12:49] <chase> i can live with that
[12:49] <srichter> noone?
[12:50] <hybrid_goth> srichter: ?
[12:50] <chrissturm> is there a tool that logs harddisk activity? i would like to find out what app is causing it
[12:50] <srichter> hybrid_goth: I would like to know what program will configure my NIC card
[12:50] <JanC> bleep.com, mptunes, emusic, etc. all use mp3 or another open format
[12:50] <srichter> hybrid_goth: without having to do it by hand...
[12:50] <hybrid_goth> srichter: look in synaptic?
[12:51] <chase> JanC, cool i will look at them in future, but for now i still have the m4p problem :-(
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: I am using kubuntu
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> well kynaptic
[12:51] <hybrid_goth> ...
[12:51] <JanC> have you tried pymusique / MonoMusique ?
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: ok, I looked in kynaptic already
[12:51] <srichter> hybrid_goth: what am I looking for though? It is just for isntalling pacakges
[12:52] <JanC> it should be possible to buy music from iTMS with those apps
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> NIC card configure
[12:52] <hybrid_goth> and it may bring up a prog that does so but look in name and description
[12:53] <srichter> ok
[12:53] <hybrid_goth> JanC: are you saying there is a linux iTMS
[12:53] <srichter> hybrid_goth: nothing :-(
[12:53] <JanC> it's not 100% legal I guess
[12:53] <JanC> but it should work AFAIK
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> kool
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> srichter: ask google
[12:54] <srichter> I tried
[12:54] <hybrid_goth> ask yahoo
[12:54] <srichter> I found this unofficial tutorial
[12:54] <JanC> http://fuware.nanocrew.net/pymusique/
[12:54] <srichter> it refers to certain menu options
[12:54] <srichter> but never tells me the program I ahve to run in the first place
[12:54] <JairunCaloth> should I use the kernal framebuffer interface device?
[12:55] <JairunCaloth> or will turning it off be faster?
[12:55] <JanC> JairunCaloth : normally all the _defaults_ are okay
[12:56] <JanC> except for your refresh rate
[12:56] <JanC> because it wasn't detected correctly
[12:57] <JanC> IIRC framebuffer stuff is not the default
[12:58] <osity> does anyone have raid experiences?
[01:00] <bronson> Anyone know why Tomboy won't start for me?
[01:00] <computerguy867> does anyone know if GDC is being added to the repos
[01:00] <bronson> I launch it and it does nothing...  No notification area indicator, nothin'
[01:01] <bronson> stock hoary
[01:01] <bronson> computerguy867: someone on ubuntu-devel might know offhand...?
[01:01] <Rodrigo> wow
[01:02] <computerguy867> ok
[01:02] <computerguy867> ill ask, thanks
[01:03] <bronson> Yeah, tomboy on hoary appears totally wedged.
[01:03] <Rodrigo> theres a lot of people here 81
[01:03] <ajmitch_> bronson: try adding it as a panel applet?
[01:03] <darmou> I have been getting inputl/output errors on my xfs partition, I ran xfs_repair which seemed to fix the problem, but now I have the same problem again, should I try to reformat the disk?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> Rodrigo, there are 486 people here :)
[01:04] <Rodrigo> yup
[01:04] <Rodrigo> well 483
[01:04] <Rodrigo> darmou: send to hell the partition
[01:04] <Rodrigo> and work with raiserFS
[01:04] <Rodrigo> :D
[01:05] <Rodrigo> xfs is superb, but, at least for me, It gave ma a lot of trouble
[01:05] <bronson> ajmitch_: I don't see a "tomboy" thingie in the add applet dialog.
[01:05] <darmou> Mabey I should go back to ext3 then
[01:05] <bronson> I don't think it's Sticky Notes...?
[01:05] <darmou> I've heard problems with reiserfs
[01:05] <Rodrigo> nop
[01:05] <tritium> I've HAD problems with reiserfs - major filesystem corruption
[01:06] <Rodrigo> really?
[01:06] <Rodrigo> oh
[01:06] <tritium> oh yeah
[01:07] <Rodrigo> darmou, what you CAN do, it keep trying, format xfs, and use it again...
[01:07] <darmou> ok I'll try that thanks
[01:07] <Rodrigo> xfs its FASTER than raiserfs
[01:07] <Rodrigo> and WAY FASTER than ext3
[01:07] <bronson> Rodrigo: for large files.
[01:07] <Rodrigo> yes
[01:08] <Rodrigo> but what is a large file for xfs?
[01:08] <Rodrigo> 10-20 MB?
[01:08] <Rodrigo> more?
[01:09] <Rodrigo> (someone say that xfs can ONLY handle 2 GB files lol)
[01:09] <nevyn> heh
[01:09] <nevyn> Rodrigo: a large file for xfs is peta
[01:09] <Rodrigo> lol
[01:10] <nevyn> Rodrigo: certainly hundreds of gig.
[01:10] <Rodrigo> any way, its your choise
[01:11] <Rodrigo> I just hope that Ubuntu breezy have RaiserFS4
[01:11] <Rodrigo> If linspire is using it, why ubuntu cant? ;)
[01:12] <tritium> I'll never use it again, that's for sure
[01:12] <nubbe> can I do a read-only fsck on an active partition, and if so, how?
[01:13] <noddaba> i'm pretty sure this isn't possible, but wanted to be sure.  there isn't a way to attach an already running process to a new screen session, is there?
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Im trying so ssh a computer in lan and I get this error:
[01:13] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:13] <SaMRoX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Read from remote host <IP_ADDRESS>: Connection reset by peer
[01:13] <SaMRoX> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed.
[01:13] <SaMRoX> how do I able my ip in the host computer?
[01:13] <Rodrigo> Im not sure thats possible
[01:13] <Fackamato> Anyone using Firefox 1.03 and having issues with Macromedia's Flash ?
[01:14] <Rodrigo> Fackmato: I dont have sound in flash
[01:14] <Rodrigo> *ups Fackamato
[01:14] <Fackamato> I don't have flash at all embedded, just when I point the url directly towards the .swf
[01:14] <hybrid_goth> i have no flash or java
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> *ups u both
[01:15] <Rodrigo> but thats all my prob
[01:15] <hybrid_goth> i could have java but am too lazy to fix it
[01:16] <Rodrigo> sure I'll do something about it this weekend
[01:16] <Rodrigo> haha
[01:16] <Rodrigo> get the add on cds
[01:16] <tritium> hybrid_goth, I'm guess you didn't use java-package?
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: are you on ppc?
[01:16] <hybrid_goth> tritium: does it run on ppc? where can i get it
[01:16] <Rodrigo> hybrid_goth:ppc?, sorry, newbie here
[01:17] <Rodrigo> speak in spanish haha
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: it is a cpu aritecture in macs
[01:17] <Rodrigo> ah power pc
[01:17] <tritium> hybrid_goth, it's in multiverse, yes
[01:17] <Rodrigo> nop
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> tritium: apt-get install java-package
[01:17] <Rodrigo> hey!, who do I enable multiverse?
[01:17] <hybrid_goth> ?
[01:17] <tritium> hybrid_goth, yes
[01:17] <mindspore> ubuntuguide.org
[01:18] <Rodrigo> hehe
[01:18] <Rodrigo> ok
[01:18] <Rodrigo> got it
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> Rodrigo: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:18] <tritium> hybrid_goth, before you procees, apt-cache show java-package, and read about it
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> delete the #
[01:18] <hybrid_goth> ok ty tritium
[01:18] <tritium> you use it to build a .deb from Sun's installer
[01:18] <Rodrigo> mmmmm, then its all ready done
[01:18] <tritium> when you install it, it "just works"
[01:19] <mindspore> ...most of the time
[01:19] <tritium> mindspore, you had trouble with java-package?
[01:19] <whappd> There are a whole bunch of packages that Synaptic refuses to update for me, even with i run apt-get dist-upgrade -- any ideas?
[01:19] <mindspore> oh.. java, thought you meant .deb in general
[01:19] <hybrid_goth> tritium: so i d/l java-package then d/l sun's installer and then what
[01:20] <tritium> No, I meant the java installation that java-package builds
[01:20] <nubbe> no way to do a read-only fsck on the root partition?
[01:20] <rizla> hi...
[01:20] <tritium> hybrid_goth, Method 3: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:20] <Rodrigo> nubbe: umount it
[01:20] <rizla> doees anybody have recived ths error:
[01:20] <rizla> Impossibile ottenere il lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:20] <rizla> E: Impossibile creare un lock sulla directory di lis
[01:20] <JanC> whappd : do you have non-ubuntu apt sources ?
[01:20] <Rodrigo> rizla use sudo
[01:21] <tritium> hybrid_goth, don't worry, it's easy.  read the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package
[01:21] <whappd> JanC -- i added repositories, yes
[01:21] <rizla> i used sudo
[01:21] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:21] <Rodrigo> no your not
[01:21] <tritium> rizla, don't use apt-get when synaptic is running
[01:21] <Rodrigo> thats the error when you dont use sudo
[01:21] <ells> tritium: mike, what is up
[01:21] <Rodrigo> mmm well that too
[01:21] <Rodrigo> :p
[01:21] <tritium> hey ells :)
[01:21] <rizla> i'm sure, i tried many times..
[01:21] <rizla> i used sudo..
[01:21] <ells> tritium: MIke, got a question
[01:21] <JanC> whappd : non-ubuntu sources are not supported, so they might cause problems...
[01:21] <tritium> ells, okay
[01:22] <rizla> and synaptic isn't running..
[01:22] <ells> tritium: what is this,   *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1416 ***
[01:22] <ells> *** for c_adt->cell_adr_table[i] .vob_id <= c_adt->nr_of_vobs ***
[01:22] <JanC> personally, I would remove them before doing an upgrade...
[01:23] <chrissturm> hmm, i entered a wrong password for an imap account in thunderbird, and now it says login failed, but doesnt ask me for the password again. what can i do about that?
[01:23] <tritium> ells, looks like a failure to read a dvd properly (number of vobs apparently not read correctly, or something)
[01:23] <ells> any idea of how to fix this
[01:24] <tritium> is it a dvd you made, or what kind of dvd?
[01:24] <ells> tritium: it is a dvd I am ripping
[01:24] <Rodrigo> hehe
[01:24] <ells> tritium: do you want to see the syntax I am using
[01:25] <tritium> ells, it only happens with this particular dvd?
[01:25] <ells> tritium: seems to be with the last two I am doing this too
[01:25] <ells> tritium: I think my syntax is wrong
[01:25] <Rodrigo> ok dudes, gotta go bye to all
[01:25] <tritium> ells, I know next to nothing about dvd ripping, but you can paste
[01:25] <ells> tritium: cool, tccat -d 0 -i /dev/dvd -t dvd -P 1 > ~/DVD_Temp/decryp.vob
[01:27] <tritium> ells, no idea
[01:27] <whappd> JanC thanks
[01:27] <synd> about how long til breezy will be stable?
[01:28] <ells> tritium: it says this, then copies the file
[01:28] <tritium> synd, official release in October.
[01:28] <ells> tritium; something is obviously been left out
[01:28] <metalsand> tritium: when you're free do you think you could assist me in trouble shooting my wireless PCMCIA card?
[01:29] <Magicbane> in installing Ubuntu it was unable to configure my network.  I know that it is a DHCP network, but when I went to the configuration for it, it asked for a hostname, how do I find that name?
[01:29] <tritium> metalsand, I'm not sticking around too long.  What's the problem?
[01:29] <synd> metalsand: still no dice with that?
[01:29] <metalsand> tritium: It doesn't work
[01:29] <synd> lmao
[01:29] <tritium> metalsand, I gathered that ;0
[01:29] <cmbroth_>  /msg nickserv link cmbroth lucas1
[01:30] <tritium> Could you be more specific, metalsand?
[01:30] <metalsand> tritium: Basically, I've been in here for the last 5 days, trying to get it working for about 5 hours a day
[01:30] <cmbroth_> oops
[01:30] <cmbroth_> okay new pw
[01:30] <cmbroth_> lol
[01:30] <metalsand> tritium: I've installed the wlan-ng drivers for it (Basic Prism 2, didn't work), and now the hostap drivers
[01:30] <metalsand> and when I finished my hostap driver installation, my card (wlan0) dissipeared
[01:31] <metalsand> I've installed linux-headers and linux-source for my kernel and build utilities through my adventures
[01:31] <g0dot> is there a way to change the default size of a terminal window?
[01:31] <metalsand> now I have HostAP source installed, and modprobe showing no errors for that, but my card isn't even listed in if/iwconfig
[01:31] <tritium> metalsand, you really only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) for building kernel modules
[01:31] <metalsand> Sepcific enough?
[01:32] <tritium> metalsand, which card is it exactly?
[01:33] <metalsand> Senao SL 2511 Plus Ext 2
[01:33] <metalsand> Sometimes referred to as the Senao NL 2511 Plus Ext 2
[01:34] <tritium> metalsand, do you load the module you built at boot?
[01:35] <metalsand> I'm not sure
[01:35] <metalsand> I've only used Linux for a week, so I'm sure that's a big factor in me spending 20 hours trying to get this working (really - 20 hours)
[01:35] <tritium> metalsand, to be sure that the module loads at boot time, you'd list it in /etc/modules
[01:36] <revelater> guys is their something like visual c++ in linux?
[01:36] <metalsand> So a hostap module should be there?
 Im trying so ssh a computer in lan and I get this error:
 alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ sudo ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
 Read from remote host <IP_ADDRESS>: Connection reset by peer
 Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed.
 how do I able my ip in the host computer?
[01:36] <tritium> metalsand, whichever module you're trying to use
[01:36] <SaMRoX> nobody knows?
[01:37] <tritium> SaMRoX, why are you using sudo with ssh?
[01:37] <SaMRoX> tritium, i get the same error with out sudo
[01:37] <SaMRoX> i just want to ssh
[01:37] <metalsand> Does anyonek now any terminal commands to check laptop powers?
[01:37] <SaMRoX> how do i do it?
[01:37] <metalsand> power*
[01:38] <revelater> my laptop can see through walls and fly, what about yours? :)
[01:38] <tritium> SaMRoX, you don't need to use sudo.  The root account you're trying to ssh to is on the other end
[01:38] <synd> revelater: mine can make a really good omelet
[01:38] <SaMRoX> i knows tritium
[01:38] <SaMRoX> but that doesnt solve anything
[01:39] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:39] <SaMRoX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[01:39] <SaMRoX> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed by remote host.
[01:39] <SaMRoX> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed.
[01:39] <SaMRoX> happy?
[01:39] <SaMRoX> :s
[01:39] <tritium> SaMRoX, the other end might have disabled root logins via ssh
[01:39] <SaMRoX> the password is correct
[01:39] <synd> revelater: sometimes it does my laundry, but only if i clean up the desktop and such. i scratch its back, it scratches mine
[01:39] <hybrid_goth> anyone on ppc using skype or other voip
[01:39] <hybrid_goth> ?
[01:39] <SaMRoX> but it is the only user
[01:39] <revelater> synd: lol
[01:40] <tritium> SaMRoX, ssh is often configured to disallow root logins
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid_goth, did you give java-package a try?
[01:40] <SaMRoX> but for instance, if I type an invalid password I get this
[01:40] <SaMRoX> alejoar@ubuntu:~ $ ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:40] <SaMRoX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:
[01:40] <SaMRoX> Permission denied, please try again.
[01:40] <hybrid_goth> tritium: yea but havent done anything with it yet
[01:40] <tritium> hybrid_goth, ah, okay
[01:41] <hybrid_goth> tritium: so what do i do after the install
[01:41] <SaMRoX> Shouldnt i get that also with the right password if root isnt allowed?
[01:41] <tritium> hybrid_goth, Method 3 of that URL I gave you, or read the docs I mentioned
[01:41] <hybrid_goth> ok
[01:42] <tritium> SaMRoX, not necessarily.
[01:42] <metalsand> tritium: I don't even have a /etc/modules directory
[01:42] <metalsand> :/
[01:42] <tritium> metalsand, it's a file, not a directory
[01:42] <SaMRoX> ok..
[01:42] <metalsand> o.
[01:42] <metalsand> lol
[01:43] <metalsand> tritium: There's nothing there about hostap
[01:43] <tritium> metalsand, okay.  let's see if it's currently loaded.  please run this at the command-line: "lsmod | grep hostap"
[01:43] <tritium> metalsand, "hostap" is the name of the module, I assume?
[01:44] <metalsand> yes
[01:44] <tritium> okay
[01:44] <revelater> hey whats a good visual c++ like program in ubuntu?
[01:44] <tritium> SaMRoX, any way you can verify with the administrator of that machine if root logins are allowed via ssh?
[01:45] <cmbroth> Hey crimsun, what is breezy?
[01:45] <metalsand> nothing, tritium
[01:45] <sir-gold> can i paste an interesting ubuntu-related link in here?
[01:45] <crimsun> cmbroth: development branch of Ubuntu
[01:45] <mario> ReleaseX, maybe Anjuta
[01:45] <tritium> metalsand, okay, so that tells us that it's not loaded right now
[01:45] <SaMRoX> yes tritium, ill verify that tomorrow, thx
[01:45] <tritium> SaMRoX, okay
[01:45] <metalsand> tritium: Probably why once I restarted wlan0 dissipeared ;)
[01:45] <mario> revelater, , maybe Anjuta
[01:46] <tritium> metalsand, so, our next step is to load it.  "sudo modprobe hostap".  Also, please add it to your /etc/modules, so next time you boot, it will load.
[01:46] <ifr> anyone messed around within /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:46] <tritium> ifr, yes
[01:46] <metalsand> I installed hostAP-source, I don't know if that will change anything
[01:46] <ifr> I have an interesting dilemma can I PM you?
[01:46] <paxmaster> do u guys know how could i work a webcam o
[01:46] <tritium> metalsand, not a concern at the moment.
[01:46] <metalsand> no errors, tritium
[01:46] <ifr> Thanks
[01:46] <darGor> why always when i turn on my pc, it goes automatic to a console in /dev/shm/resolvconf/interface ?
[01:46] <tritium> ifr, can you describe it here, in case others can either learn/help?
[01:47] <paxmaster> do u guys know how could i work a webcam in a webcam
[01:47] <Tezkah> why doesn't wlan0 exist?
[01:47] <Tezkah> daaaamnit
[01:47] <mindspore> uhmmm.....
[01:47] <metalsand> darGor: did you "Save these settings"
[01:47] <metalsand> When you shutdown/restarted
[01:47] <revelater> mario: you sure thats how it was spelled?
[01:47] <tritium> paxmaster, it depends on if the hardware is supported.
[01:47] <metalsand> tritium: modprobe hostap showed nothing
[01:48] <tritium> metalsand, that's normal.  re-run the modprobe command I gave you, and see if it shows something loaded this time
[01:48] <tritium> sorry, the lsmod command
[01:48] <ifr> Tritium back here
[01:48] <tritium> ifr, okay, thanks
[01:48] <Tezkah> does anyone know why I wouldn't have wlan0 showing up as a device?
[01:48] <ifr> inside /etc/network/interfaces I have #primary network ...
[01:48] <ifr> auto eth0
[01:49] <paxmaster> what kind of hardware u mean and how would i know it supports
[01:49] <Tezkah> is there a way to create it?
[01:49] <metalsand> hostap 123976 0
[01:49] <ifr> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:49] <metalsand> is what it displaced, Trickyphillips
[01:49] <ifr> which is fine. And the wifi is a supported crd, up and running.
[01:49] <metalsand> tritium
[01:49] <tritium> metalsand, :)
[01:49] <ifr> But if I do sudo ifdown eth0 I get "eth0 is not configured"
[01:49] <metalsand> So, should my card work now? :P
[01:49] <mario> revelater, I don't know Visual*, but I think it how a IDE...
[01:49] <tritium> metalsand, hopefully so.   Please give it a try
[01:49] <ifr> I'm having lots of difficultites and think this may be part of it - ifdown and ifup don't seem to see the same thing as iwconfig nd ipconfig
[01:50] <ifr> which say eth0 is the wifi card
[01:50] <tritium> ifr, no, iwconfig is specifically for wireless extensions
[01:50] <ifr> So Okay. but ipconfig says eth0's the guy
[01:50] <paxmaster> is there a software for webcam
[01:50] <tritium> paxmaster, gnomemeeting
[01:51] <revelater> mario: i think you had one too many n's in the name, but it looks like what i am looking for, thanks
[01:51] <ifr> I am uing all comand line to get wifi going, because gui seem not to work - they can never release an IP and get a new one
[01:51] <metalsand> tritium: there's no information about my card in iwconfig
[01:51] <metalsand> in fact, it's not listed there
[01:51] <revelater> mario: although it would be nice if it wasn't gnome specific
[01:52] <tritium> metalsand, what about ifconfig?  what devices are listed?
[01:52] <metalsand> eth0 and lo
[01:52] <metalsand> eth0 is an internal PCI wireless device
[01:52] <tritium> eth0 is not what we're loading hostap for?
[01:53] <metalsand> No
[01:53] <tritium> ifr, I'm not quite understanding your question
[01:53] <metalsand> it was wlan0
[01:53] <ifr> Tritium, that seems to be the crux of my problem: once on an IP, I can never release it and get a new one. Forcing me to reboot the machine whenever switching networks
[01:53] <metalsand> eth0 is my internal card, it worked striaght out of the install
[01:53] <metalsand> of Ubuntu
[01:53] <metalsand> my PCMCIA Card, however, didn't.
[01:54] <sir-gold> metalsand: if you have 2 wireless nics, maybe you should disable the onboard one (in bios setup or something) until you get hostap working, just so there are no conflicts
[01:54] <tritium> ifr, oh, I see
[01:54] <ifr> Tritium and ifdown ifup and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart are ineffectual
[01:54] <metalsand> sir-gold: Good idea, I'll do that now
[01:55] <ifr> tritium SO I whether ifup and ifdown are looking in the right place
[01:55] <tritium> metalsand, cool
[01:55] <synd> i remember that my wireless card wouldnt work because the eth0 was enabled
[01:55] <metalsand> omg
[01:55] <ifr> Or if this is a dhclient issue
[01:55] <synd> when i disabled it (and did the ndiswrapper shit) it worked
[01:55] <synd> metalsand: voila?
[01:55] <metalsand> if that's been my problem all along
[01:55] <metalsand> I'm going to end myself
[01:55] <synd> that happened to me too :P
[01:55] <tritium> metalsand, you don't need ndiswrapper for this, do you?
[01:56] <metalsand> No
[01:56] <metalsand> I'd like to use actual supporte drivers
[01:56] <synd> but i figured it within 10 mins so i thought nonthing of it
[01:56] <sir-gold> metalsand if you would have mentioned the onboard wireless 2 days ago i would have said the same thing
[01:57] <amaro> Is there a way to speed-up firefox loading time? I mean when you open up a firefox window.
[01:57] <sir-gold> the pcmcia card that metalsand is using is a prism 2 based card
[01:57] <raydogg``> how do you check the entire disk to make sure there are 0 bad sectors ?
[01:57] <sir-gold> amaro are you using gnome or kde?
[01:57] <amaro> KDE
[01:58] <sir-gold> thats a reported problem with KDE
[01:58] <metalsand> Hrmmm. Dell has locked down the BIOS options pretty good, there's an option to have "Wireless always off"
[01:58] <metalsand> I'll try that
[01:58] <sir-gold> installing gnome fixes it for some reason
[01:58] <tritium> metalsand, okay, please reboot, and disable the onboard nic in bios
[01:58] <synd> kde is odd
[01:58] <tritium> metalsand, oh, didn't see your message above
[01:58] <sir-gold> you don't have to use gnome, it just needs one of the gnome libs or something
[01:58] <amaro> sir-gold, I already have gnome installed
[01:58] <sir-gold> ok, nevermind then
[01:59] <jamesio> hello all
[01:59] <ax> hi
[01:59] <ax> anyone else have problems wiht firefox freezing?
[01:59] <jamesio> nope.  can you reproduce the problem?
[02:00] <ax> yeah, almost everytime my girlfriend goes to "myspace" it freezes
[02:00] <beco_> hi everyone, i am havin a really weird problem with firefox, in wont start if I click the icon, just run if i type firefox from a root terminal, does anyone knows something about this issue?
[02:01] <metalsand> Firefox has frozen for me a couple of times... But real rare stuff (loading a thousand pictures in one window...)
[02:01] <ax> yeah, it freezes for her very often
[02:01] <sir-gold> there is always opera...
[02:01] <metalsand> Her comp probably sucks :P
[02:01] <paxmaster> hello i am setting gnomemeeting, now i am at the part of video;  please choose vedeo input device . but there no device found
[02:01] <metalsand> Great
[02:01] <hybrid_goth> any podcast programs for ubuntu
[02:01] <metalsand> I chose always off for the wireless, yet it still shows up as eth0 in term
[02:02] <synd> i mean she is a girl so that may be the problem right there
[02:02] <ax> is there a gui tool for killing stuff when it is frozen?
[02:02] <tritium> metalsand, have you tried the reboot/bios change?
[02:02] <synd> ax: yes
[02:02] <synd> in gnome
[02:02] <metalsand> Yes
[02:02] <ax> i can just teach her to use kill on a terminal but easier for her makes things easier for me
[02:02] <metalsand> that's just what I did
[02:02] <metalsand> Yet
[02:02] <sir-gold> metalsand: paste the output of ifconfig into pastebin.com
[02:02] <ax> yeah, she's using gnome.. what is it called?
[02:02] <metalsand> I can't access the internet, sir-gold :P
[02:02] <metalsand> not on my laptop at least
[02:03] <synd> ax: theres a thing that you can put on the panel and it kills whatever program you click after you click it
[02:03] <metalsand> I'm going to google disabling onboard crap with my laptop
[02:03] <metalsand> sec
[02:03] <synd> ax: you do "Add to Panel..." and add the "Force Quit" option to the panel
[02:03] <ax> synd: huh, that sounds dangerous, is there an app that she can just see the names of programs running that she can kill and kill what she wants to?
[02:03] <tritium> metalsand, I'm running short on time here.  can I leave you in the good care of the others here?
[02:04] <synd> ax: its not, really
[02:04] <metalsand> tritium: Sure, I've been at this for 20 hours
[02:04] <metalsand> It's not like another 5 would hurt.
[02:04] <synd> ax: it asks for a confirmation
[02:04] <IFR__> Thanks for your help Tritiu,m! Have a good rest!
[02:04] <hybrid_goth> any podcast programs for ubuntu?
[02:04] <tritium> metalsand, sorry it's been such a pain.  good luck to you!
[02:04] <ax> synd: ok.. that's cool :) thanks
[02:04] <raydogg``> dos fsck check the disc for errors ?
[02:04] <raydogg``> i mean bad sectors
[02:04] <tritium> IFR__, sure, good luck :)
[02:04] <synd> ax: you try it out?
[02:05] <synd> ax: no prob
[02:05] <ax> i think the fact that she is a girl is very positive because she is a girl and is using linux
[02:06] <mindspore> linux chicks are hot.
[02:06] <Licker> how would you find your pop 3 server addy
[02:06] <synd> ax: those are few and far between
[02:06] <mindspore> I'm talking to one right now ;-)
[02:06] <mindspore> (not on IRC)
[02:06] <tirian> How do you enable APM into the kernal?
[02:07] <synd> i considered it an accomplishment when i got my girlfriend to use firefox on winxp
[02:07] <ax> my girlfriend uses irc as well
[02:08] <beco_>  i am havin a really weird problem with firefox, in wont start if I click the icon, just run if i type firefox from a root terminal, does anyone knows something about this issue?
[02:08] <beco_> or where can I find logs?
[02:08] <ax> seems like your icon may not be executing a valid program
[02:08] <synd> beco_: is the icon's prefs set right?
[02:09] <mindspore> logs?  in the woods?
[02:09] <beco_> jja
[02:09] <goldfish_> chicks dont exist on irc !
[02:09] <synd> beco_: the command should be firefox %u
[02:09] <crimsun> goldfish_: a few work for canonical
[02:09] <synd> beco_: right click on the icon and click prefs
[02:09] <crimsun> goldfish_: so yes, they do =)
[02:09] <beco_> icon is ok, actually it raises a window header wich says "starting firefox web browser" but then quits
[02:09] <synd> hm
[02:09] <goldfish_> crimsun: hehe :)
[02:09] <synd> thats where i get off
[02:10] <beco_> thanks
[02:10] <tirian> to enable APM support, do I need to recompile the Kernal?
[02:10] <Licker> how would you find your own addy for your pop 3 server
[02:10] <synd> why dont ubuntu come with the original firefox icons
[02:10] <crimsun> tirian: no
[02:10] <tirian> Licker: You should get that from your hosting provider.
[02:10] <crimsun> synd: licensing
[02:11] <metalsand> Someone said there's a hotplug script that can blacklist the wireless card
[02:11] <Licker> im my hosting provider...
[02:11] <crimsun> synd: same issue as with Debian
[02:11] <Licker> o.O
[02:11] <metalsand> to make sure it doesn't interfere with my onboard one
[02:11] <synd> crimsun: oh, i see.
[02:11] <Licker> is it just my IP then....
[02:11] <crimsun> tirian: search the wiki for instructions on disabling acpi and enabling apm (kernel boot parameters)
[02:11] <tirian> I tried that, but it didn't work.
[02:12] <hybrid_goth> no podcast software
[02:12] <beco_> i've uninstalled firefox and reinstallen but just the same
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: what precisely did you try?
[02:12] <tirian> sudo modprobe apm gives me an error: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: no, don't modprobe it, use the boot parameter
[02:12] <crimsun> tirian: look more closely on the wiki
[02:13] <tirian> I edited the grub menu.lst files and added apm to the list of modules, however, when I rebooted, I still only have acpi.
[02:13] <crimsun> tirian: I presume you executed sudo update-grub?
[02:13] <tirian> Yup.
[02:14] <crimsun> show me your # kopt= line
[02:14] <tirian> kopt=acpi=on
[02:15] <tirian> update-grub didn't install the boot loader w/ the new config, though. I had to run grub-install /dev/hda
[02:18] <talmir> hello :)
[02:18] <tirian> crimsun: is the kopt line supposed to be "#kopt" or "kopt"?
[02:19] <crimsun> tirian: it's supposed to be # kopt. Do not remove the hash (comment) mark.
[02:19] <tirian> Ahh.. won't that keep that line commented, though?
[02:19] <crimsun> that's precisely what it's supposed to do.
[02:19] <crimsun> update-grub looks for that comment.
[02:19] <talmir> I am in a bit of a pinch now. I am trying to use the updatedb. Only I just installed ubuntu and it seems that install never asked me what root password I wanted to use.. :P Is there some default pass that is set during install?
[02:19] <crimsun> talmir: please see the topic regarding the FAQ
[02:20] <talmir> :P sorry
[02:20] <tirian> crimsun: ok. That makes sense. Thanks!
[02:20] <crimsun> np
[02:20] <talmir> just seemed that since I was not asked during install that it might be some bug. They might want to tell the installer since I dont have access to check faqs all the time :D
[02:24] <beco_> does anyone knows where are firefox log files?
[02:26] <hybrid_goth> tritium: what jdk do i download? bianries? source?
[02:26] <nevyn> so does anyone know when shipit is gonna start actually sending cd's this time?
[02:27] <Burgundavia> nevyn, when they start shipping
[02:27] <Burgundavia> nevyn, they couldn't start pressing until April 8th
[02:27] <IFR__> Hi again. Tritium wasn't able to help - any other wifi / network interface whizzes around?
[02:27] <paulsen> I need help getting accelerated 3D working with my Radeon 9500 card
[02:28] <paulsen> I've now searched up and down the forums, trying to figure out why DRI simply refuses to work on my box
[02:28] <nevyn> Burgundavia: I have ONE set of hoary cd's for i386.. that I collected at LCA
[02:28] <paulsen> and I havent found any solution for this problem
[02:28] <paulsen> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EBUSY"
[02:28] <IFR__> I'm trying to find out why my wireless cannot release an IP (like ifdown) and get a new one (like ifup). The card connects (I send this wirelessly) but ifdown eth0 gets me "eth0 is not configured"
[02:28] <Burgundavia> nevyn, the LCA ones were rush shipped
[02:29] <Tezkah> "wlan0 does not exist"
[02:29] <Tezkah> can anyone point me in the right direction?  I'm trying to use NDIS to set it up
[02:29] <emj> Anyone using acpi_sleep with hoary?
[02:29] <paulsen> Tezkah: have you downloaded the NDIS drivers for the wlan card?
[02:30] <Tezkah> yes, and they are installed
[02:30] <Tezkah> ndiwrapper -m wrote the alias in
[02:30] <paulsen> paste what ndiswrapper -l says
[02:30] <Tezkah> heh, wish I could, I had to reboot, since I only have wireless here
[02:30] <paulsen> hm :|
[02:30] <nevyn> Burgundavia: I'm just kicking myself for not picking up a ppc cd at the time ;)
[02:30] <Tezkah> it says taht my broadcom lwfwhatevera is installed
[02:30] <Burgundavia> nevyn, lucky bugger
[02:31] <paulsen> Tezkah: I also have a broadcom chip here
[02:31] <Tezkah> yeah, everything seemed to install properly
[02:31] <paulsen> Tezkah: I had problems setting it up, but it always appeared in ifconfig.. so you obviously dont have the same problem as me
[02:31] <paulsen> does the card show up in the network configuration thing in X?
[02:31] <Tezkah> yeah, I have lo, eth0 and si0? I think
[02:32] <paulsen> eth0?
[02:32] <paulsen> does the computer have a regular LAN controller?
[02:32] <Tezkah> yes
[02:32] <lewwy> man, i really REALLY wish i could get my davicom 10/100 network card working
[02:32] <paulsen> and you are sure eth0 is the LAN card and not the WLAN card?
[02:32] <paulsen> perhaps you should dig through /var/log/messages for errors
[02:33] <paulsen> it should tell you when ndiswrapper is doing its magic on boot
[02:33] <dennis__> can I add a commandline option to my network card configuration?
[02:33] <Tezkah> all right
[02:33] <paulsen> now.. anyone here who can help me getting this ATI card working?
[02:33] <Tezkah> so if it is eth0, ifup eth0 should being it up,
[02:33] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid boc
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> tritium: what jdk do i download? bianries? source?
[02:35] <hybrid_goth> sorry i missed it
[02:35] <lewwy> hehe, someone should make a open source program called tomato, because when you went to get the source, it'd be called "tomato-source"
[02:35] <lewwy> geddit?
[02:36] <lewwy> and there was silence amongst #ubuntu
[02:37] <ells> has anyone had any issues with ripping any new dvd
[02:37] <br33zy-blah> uh hi
[02:37] <br33zy-blah> i'm getting a grub error 24 at stage 1.5
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> this is happening after an interesting class which consisted of me burning a cd, failing for some reason, freezing, then me hitting the reset button
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> ideas?
[02:38] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid box?
[02:38] <ells> has anyone had any issues with ripping any new dvd
[02:38] <br33zy-blah> fsck.ext3 says there is something wrong with some superblock thing
[02:38] <lewwy> no, but then again i dont try ripping dvd;s
[02:38] <lewwy> hmmm the uber nerds seem to have gone idle
[02:38] <lewwy> (i use uber nerds in the most respectable way possible)
[02:38] <ells> lewwy, the new dvds seem to have added encryption
[02:39] <lewwy> ells: hmmm that seems strange, they shouldnt
[02:39] <ells> lewwy, yeah, i tried to different dvds
[02:39] <lewwy> try getting dvdshrink and wining it?
[02:39] <ells> one old, one new
[02:39] <ells> lewwy, dvdshrink wont work for me
[02:39] <lewwy> why not?
[02:40] <ells> lewwy, i get an aspi error of some sort
[02:40] <ells> lewwy, you familiary with that
[02:41] <lewwy> aspi error?
[02:41] <bronson> Is anybody here running tomboy?
[02:41] <lewwy> (keeping in mind i'm fairly new at ubuntu and only feeling my way around atm)
[02:42] <ells> lewwy, it keeps giving the same error
[02:42] <ells> when in wine
[02:42] <lewwy> mmm
[02:42] <lewwy> wine is a bit dodgy
[02:42] <lewwy> oop hang on
[02:42] <ells> lewwy, okay
[02:42] <lewwy> what are you using to rip dvd's with?
[02:42] <ells> tccat
[02:42] <Razor-X> C'est tres magnifique!
[02:42] <Razor-X> hahaha! woohoo
[02:43] <Razor-X> NTFS has finally been resized
[02:43] <Razor-X> now, to install Kubuntu!
[02:43] <ells> lewwy: when i use dvdshrink, I get could not initialize ASPI error
[02:43] <tahorg> Razor-X: you can forgot the 'trs'
[02:43] <tahorg> Razor-X: c'est magnifiiiique
[02:43] <lewwy> mmm
[02:43] <lewwy> ok
[02:44] <lewwy> i may have found a better program to rip dvd's
[02:44] <lewwy> i'll give it a shot first
[02:44] <ells> lewwy, what
[02:44] <yfir> grip is very good
[02:44] <ells> cool
[02:44] <lewwy> www.ubuntuguide.org is an invaluble tool, thats what im looking at now
[02:44] <tahorg> Razor-X: btw, you've been able to load the dvorak keymap in grub ?
[02:44] <Razor-X> tahorg: this client can't do unicode
[02:44] <Razor-X> gonna do it
[02:44] <ells> yfir: the new dvds have added encryption
[02:44] <tahorg> Razor-X: it isn't unicode, it's iso-8859-1
[02:45] <yfir> ells: oh? cdparanoia can't handle it? news to me
[02:45] <Razor-X> QTParted would _not_ find all the free space I had, PMagic would, but something kept acessing the machine at bootime
[02:45] <Razor-X> tahorg: oh
[02:45] <ells> yfir: cdparanoia for dvd?
[02:45] <yfir> oh sorry! haha, you said DVD!
[02:45] <Razor-X> finally I got PMagic to work
[02:45] <yfir> for some reason i've been reading/thinking cd
[02:45] <Razor-X> and, inadvertently, got my dad to give me internet access again ;-P
[02:45] <lewwy> well isnt that fan fricking tabulous
[02:45] <lewwy> synaptic wont let me install transcode
[02:46] <memvol> anyone have some help for me, when i iwconfig wlan0 it tells me the essid is "d11b" rather than the essid I put in the Network essid boc
[02:46] <ells> lewwy, i have transcode
[02:46] <memvol> it is also showing no results when i scan for essid
[02:46] <Razor-X> now I have to deside to use the easy, unclean way of PQBoot, or the slightly more difficult clean way of a GRUB boot floppy
[02:46] <lewwy> oop
[02:46] <lewwy> nvm
[02:46] <lewwy> it appears im a victim of my own stupidity
[02:47] <ells> lewwy, how so
[02:47] <|QuaD-_> any other breezy's trying to apt-get and their system breaking?
[02:47] <Razor-X> or, just hiding GRUB at startup
[02:47] <lewwy> i tried synaptic to get transcode, but synaptic refuses
[02:47] <jkinz> Hi all, NTFS support issue, have a nephew who needs to write TO an NTFS file system.  Is there any to do that w/Ubuntu yet?
[02:47] <lewwy> and then i looked at ubuntuguide and it told me the proper way of doing it
[02:47] <JairunCaloth> 128mb in kb would be... @ 131000?
[02:48] <ells> lewwy, cool
[02:48] <lewwy> 128 * 1024
[02:48] <lewwy> sudo apt-get -t testing install transcode
[02:48] <lewwy> if j00 are interested
[02:48] <JairunCaloth> I think NTFS can only be read only
[02:48] <lewwy> and then
[02:48] <Razor-X> jkinz: try Captive-NTFS
[02:48] <ells> lewwy, okay
[02:48] <lewwy> sudo apt-get install dvdrip
[02:48] <Razor-X> as long as the NTFS has some form of Windows on it
[02:48] <lewwy> bah
[02:48] <lewwy> just read ubuntuguide
[02:48] <tahorg> well, ntfs write is experimental in 2.6
[02:49] <tahorg> but it should work
[02:49] <ells> lewwy, have tried dvdrip, wont rip the all new, more encrypted dvds
[02:49] <lewwy> ah ok
[02:49] <jkinz> Razor-X: is that an Ubuntu/deb package?
[02:49] <Razor-X> jkinz: not sure, try googling it, or looking through the repositories
[02:49] <Razor-X> it _should_ have a .deb package
[02:49] <ells> lewwy, the program wont let you rip the whole dvd
[02:49] <Razor-X> it's pretty popular so....
[02:49] <K_Dallas> is there a CD burner or tools under linux which could recognize 50MB business card size CDs as they are and not as 700MB CD? (i tried k3b and wrong info, same under windows with nero), thanks
[02:49] <jkinz> tahorg: are ntfs partitions write maountable now because of that support
[02:50] <tahorg> Razor-X: ntfs write is a kernel feature
[02:50] <tahorg> Razor-X: nothing to do with some user level stuff
[02:50] <jkinz> Razor-X: ok. Thanks. (GBG [ God Bless Google] )
[02:50] <Razor-X> tahorg: I know that, but, I don't think it uses Captive
[02:50] <|QuaD-_> can one of the developers sync opts25 and libopts25-dev from debian to fix this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308219
[02:50] <Razor-X> Captive is supposed to be safer than normal NTFS writing
[02:50] <Razor-X> (normal == experimental in kernel)
[02:51] <Razor-X> how long would you say Ubuntu takes to install?
[02:51] <metalsand> i was unable to disable my internal wireless card
[02:51] <Razor-X> on a 1.6 ghz 256 MB RAM
[02:51] <holycow> 20 minutes
[02:51] <metalsand> in BIOS
[02:51] <metalsand> how can I do it in the software?
[02:51] <Razor-X> holycow: oh yeah, forgot ;-P
[02:52] <Razor-X> nice, that's all I hav eleft
[02:52] <Razor-X> *have left
[02:52] <Razor-X> and some GRUB configuring
[02:52] <jkinz> Razor-X, tahorg:  thanks guys.
[02:52] <jamesio> anyone here have experience with freenx?
[02:52] <Razor-X> NTFS resizing took me about 15 minutes
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, captive is no longer supported and neither is another driver required for the process also not supported
[02:52] <tahorg> metalsand: ifdown wlan0 ? :)
[02:52] <metalsand> tahorg: No, compeltely disable
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, it did? ah neat
[02:52] <metalsand> It's interfering with a PCMCIA Card
[02:52] <holycow> Razor-X, where are you in the install process
[02:52] <holycow> ?
[02:52] <lewwy> uys
[02:53] <lewwy> guys*
[02:53] <tahorg> metalsand: pull it out
[02:53] <tahorg> mini-pci ?
[02:53] <metalsand> It's INTERNAL
[02:53] <helio7> what is the daemon responsible for automounting CF-cards when I insert them into my firewire reader?  It works in gnome, but I'm trying to make it work in XFCE
[02:53] <lewwy> whats the funky thing called thats included in totem-xine that plays DVD's in ascii
[02:53] <lewwy> metalsand: nothing a screwdriver can't fix :P
[02:53] <IIIEars> lol
[02:53] <metalsand> I want it there so I can use it in Windows
[02:53] <metalsand> I just don't want it in Ubuntu
[02:53] <lewwy> ifconfig eth0 down
[02:54] <lewwy> or whatever interface it is
[02:54] <lewwy> or or!
[02:54] <metalsand> You guys suck.
[02:54] <lewwy> you dont have to be here metalsand
[02:54] <lewwy> jesus christ you're complaining about free support ffs
[02:54] <IIIEars> We try to help - tere is just so very much to know. - sorry.
[02:54] <lewwy> ok
[02:55] <lewwy> last suggestion
[02:55] <metalsand> I'm just generalizing, lewwy
[02:55] <tahorg> metalsand: if you unload the driver, that helps ?
[02:55] <lewwy> tried /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:55] <lewwy> editing it?
[02:55] <metalsand> I don't want to go through doing that
[02:55] <metalsand> Yes, lewwy
[02:55] <lewwy> and taking out the network card?
[02:55] <lewwy> oh ok
[02:55] <lewwy> so...its not actually active
[02:55] <metalsand> The problem is my card doesn't show up in iwconfig
[02:55] <helio7> so to manually mount a firewire Compact Flash card would you use the mount command?
[02:55] <metalsand> It used to
[02:55] <metalsand> then I installed hostAP drivers
[02:55] <IIIEars> found a nice driver for a 10 key mouse on the gentoo site :) "evdev"
[02:55] <tahorg> metalsand: what changed
[02:56] <lewwy> mmm
[02:56] <tahorg> so you have your answer
[02:56] <lewwy> well have fun dudes
[02:56] <tahorg> unload the hostap drivers
[02:56] <chiwawa_42> i have a problem with the ralink 2500 howto from ubuntu wiki
[02:56] <chiwawa_42> the config tool says it cannot find the driver
[02:58] <chiwawa_42> the card is liste as ra0 by ipconfig
[02:58] <flames> hi, "sudo apt-get remove --purge evolution" need remove ubuntu-desktop package too, is ubuntu-desktop a required package?
[02:58] <hybrid_goth> no
[02:58] <chiwawa_42> flames: i think it's just a metapackage but i can't tell it for sure
[02:59] <chiwawa_42> used to install the full desktop environment with dependencies
[02:59] <flames> thx, i try remove it
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> Announcement
[03:00] <osity> anyone good with raid partitioning?
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> all ppc user come to #ubuntu-ppc
[03:00] <osity> i dont know what to partition to ,,,,
[03:00] <chiwawa_42> osity: with raid tools or raid theory?
[03:00] <hybrid_goth> lets start up this channel
[03:00] <osity> chiwawa_42: do you know how? i have it setup but not quite sure
[03:01] <osity> can you walk me through the partitioning part?
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> depends on what you want to o
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> do*
[03:01] <osity> raid1
[03:01] <chiwawa_42> for boot?
[03:01] <osity> i have it at the partitioner....
[03:02] <osity> i set up 2 partitions for each drive ( i have 2 drives)
[03:02] <chiwawa_42> the last raid setup i've done was for a gentoo server, so i've done it manually
[03:02] <dantheman> does anyone know why my gaim window might be dead?
[03:02] <dantheman> it's not showing anything
[03:02] <mello> mine isn't either
[03:02] <dantheman> i sign on, and it shows nothing
[03:02] <mello> AIM may be down
[03:02] <dantheman> and to quit, i have to force quit
[03:02] <chiwawa_42> aim sucks, like msn...
[03:03] <dantheman> would i need to do that if aim was down?
[03:03] <chiwawa_42> did you ever read aim service term of use?
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: im me
[03:03] <mello> we use GAIM
[03:03] <helio7> Any ideas on how to detect the location of a firewire attached Compact Flash card reader, so that I can mount it??
[03:03] <mello> but still
[03:03] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: let me attempt to sign on again
[03:03] <chiwawa_42> helio7: might be a scsi disk device
[03:03] <osity> anyone know raid on ubuntu?  I need help with the partitioner
[03:03] <hybrid_goth> doloresdeviva09
[03:04] <osity> anethema
[03:04] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: what's your sn?
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> doloresdeviva09
[03:04] <helio7> chiwawa_42: if it's a scsi disk device, where would I look for it?
[03:04] <osity> any raid experts?
[03:04] <chiwawa_42> osity: i don't think the installer is able to setup a boot raid
[03:04] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: did you get it?
[03:04] <chiwawa_42> helio7: /dev/sd[a-z]
[03:04] <hybrid_goth> yea i replied
[03:04] <helio7> thanks
[03:05] <osity> chiwawa_42 : what do you mean a boot raid>?
[03:05] <dantheman> i didn't get your reply
[03:05] <chiwawa_42> anyone using a ralink wifi card?
[03:05] <hybrid_goth>  i replied again
[03:05] <osity> chiwawa_42 : what's a boot raid?
[03:06] <chiwawa_42> osity: booting with a mirrored root device
[03:06] <dantheman> i got nothing again
[03:06] <hybrid_goth> hmmm
[03:06] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:06] <dantheman> should i try to do a reinstall of gaim?
[03:06] <wallflower> Where's the old ubuntu people shot ? ;)
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: no that is a lil extreme this is not windows; check you settings firewall etc and if nothing else works i guess you can reinstall
[03:07] <osity> chiwawa_42 where would i find out for sure?
[03:07] <dantheman> i don't use a firewall
[03:07] <osity> chiwawa_42: i've been at this for weeks!
[03:07] <elcu> wallflower: you mean on the website?
[03:07] <chiwawa_42> osity: do you know for sure what you're trying to do?
[03:07] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: behind a router?
[03:07] <wallflower> Yea
[03:07] <wallflower> the one that replaced, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg
[03:08] <osity> i know exactly what i want
[03:08] <wallflower> i mean was replaced
[03:08] <chiwawa_42> osity: so tell me
[03:08] <dantheman> hybrid_goth: i'm on my college's network
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> oh
[03:08] <dantheman> i didn't have to do anything special when i set up gaim
[03:08] <dantheman> it just worked
[03:08] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:08] <elcu> wallflower: gone.  you can still put it as your login screen if you want.
[03:08] <osity> raid 1 ....i want to mirror drive 1 completely ,,,,,that's it
[03:08] <dantheman> oh
[03:08] <dantheman> my buddy list just came back
[03:08] <dantheman> weird
[03:08] <hybrid_goth> dantheman: you can reinstall if you wish
[03:08] <osity> i want to use the 2 drives i havee
[03:08] <chiwawa_42> osity: is this drive your system drive?
[03:08] <wallflower> elcu, i just want the jpg... you know where i can find it?
[03:09] <osity> dantheman: was your name anthema before?
[03:09] <raa1> This probably not the right place to ask but, I will ask anyway...Is there a way to figure out the endianness (byte order) of my system
[03:09] <Nalioth> howdy
[03:09] <Nalioth> raa1 what CPU do you have?
[03:09] <raa1> Intel Xscale
[03:09] <dantheman> osity: no, i've always been dantheman
[03:09] <chiwawa_42> arm is like any risc
[03:09] <elcu> wallflower: not really.  but if you're missing the blonde, install the ubuntu-calendar package. :-)
[03:09] <hybrid_goth> osity: thats a weird question
[03:09] <kwame> Hi
[03:09] <Nalioth> raal that is an important fact for us to cogitate upon
[03:09] <osity> chiwawa_42: I  have 2 drives thats it.......so yes one would be the system drive an the other the mirror
[03:10] <wallflower> lol
[03:10] <kwame> I did a apt-get install k3b ... and everything went ok
[03:10] <kwame> but when trying to burn a cd
[03:10] <memvol> anyone know why, when i iwconfig wlan0 it shows my ESSID as "d11b" instead of what I put in for the ESSID in System - Networking?
[03:10] <hybrid_goth> xandros makes me sick
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> osity: so you want to boot from a mirored partition
[03:10] <osity> hybrid_goth: not really.....the work anthema is in this name....I wanted to talk to anthema
[03:10] <kwame> I got a message telling me that I need the cdrdao package, apt-cache search does not show such package
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> wich isn't simple
[03:10] <kwame> how can I use k3b?
[03:10] <chiwawa_42> kwame: launch it
[03:10] <hybrid_goth> osity: you you are gonna ask a random user? :P
[03:11] <kwame> chiwawa_42, already did ... but I get that error message
[03:11] <raa1> Nalioth: are RISCs big-endian
[03:11] <osity> chiwawa_42: sure .....i want one drive with the OS and the other to mirror it all
[03:11] <kwame> chiwawa_42, telling me that I need cdrdao
[03:11] <chiwawa_42> WHY THE FUCK does xchat popup on highlights ?!?
[03:11] <chiwawa_42> driving me crazy
[03:11] <osity> hybrid_goth: ask a random user what?
[03:12] <transgress> chiwawa_42: change the preferences
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> are you so and so
[03:12] <chiwawa_42> transgress: looking for the right option for hours, can't find it
[03:12] <senator32> i have the ut2k4 dvd, I have installed it on Suse before with no issue, i cant seem to install it in ubuntu (running kde mainly). HOW DO I INSTALL IT?? ITS a ".sh" file
[03:12] <osity> anthema is the irc name.....
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[03:12] <hybrid_goth> nvm
[03:12] <transgress> senator32: what's the problem?
[03:12] <dazzed> senator32: type ./the.sh in a term
[03:12] <osity> chiwawa: do you know the partitioner options?
[03:12] <senator32> ah let me try that
[03:12] <SpAwN> I NEED LINUX
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> damn, it was on the xchat tray...
[03:13] <osity> it asks questions, i just dont know which to pick
[03:13] <transgress> senator32: `copy that file elsewhere
[03:13] <transgress> senator32: then run it... otherwise you can't unmount the disc
[03:13] <dazzed> no eh doesnt have to do that
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> kwame: did you setup universe/multiverse repositories?
[03:13] <dazzed> ohhh
[03:13] <senator32> oh
[03:13] <jamesio> whoa... freenx is pretty cool
[03:13] <dazzed> well you can
[03:13] <SpAwN> I need linux )':
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> osity: as I told you, the installer may not handle raid booting
[03:13] <SpAwN> i want to use freyja
[03:13] <transgress> wouldn't let me...
[03:13] <HrdwrBoB> yes, freenx is damn cool
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: nor grub does
[03:13] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: what u got
[03:13] <chiwawa_42> or not fine last time i tried
[03:13] <SpAwN> windows
[03:13] <kwame> chiwawa_42, noup
[03:13] <transgress> freenx?
[03:14] <osity> chiwawa: is that a guesss?
[03:14] <dazzed> SpAwN: download ubu
[03:14] <SpAwN> lol
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> kwame: so set them up first when looking for a missing package
[03:14] <raa1> Nalioth: Little googling suggests that the endianness could be switched or something like that...any idea??
[03:14] <osity> chiwawa: how can i find out without trying?
[03:14] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, what?
[03:14] <SpAwN> is it free
[03:14] <senator32> yes i get bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied error when i try and "./ut2k4.sh"
[03:14] <senator32> off the disc
[03:14] <dazzed> lol
[03:14] <SpAwN> my friend tole me to come here dazzed
[03:14] <senator32> i just need to relocate the files then?
[03:14] <SpAwN> and ask about it
[03:14] <dazzed> SpAwN: very much free
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: i had to do that manually with gentoo, and only lilo was able to boot from MD
[03:14] <jamesio> trans, yeah... it's a remote x windows desktop server/client package
[03:14] <transgress> senator32: sudo ./linux-install.sh
[03:14] <SpAwN> awsome
[03:14] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: what distro you want
[03:14] <osity> suerly someone has setup raid on ubuntu!
[03:14] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: you also need a custom kernel with builtin raid support
[03:15] <SpAwN> dunno
[03:15] <dazzed> SpAwN: do you know how to download and burn .iso's?
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> wich the installer doesn't have
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, what the, i've been coding for two hours and now this?
[03:15] <raa1> It would have been nice if /proc/cpuinfo displayed the endianness of the processor
[03:15] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: well are you a noob?
[03:15] <ksmurf> hello all.  can anyone direct me to help for 1. Getting my tv out working on my nvidia 6600GT 2. Getting my graphire working on this system.  I'm using hoary and it is just about a clean install
[03:15] <senator32> transgress: i still get the same error
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: sry
[03:15] <SpAwN> dude i know nothing about linux
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, let me idle alone :/
[03:15] <SpAwN> only windows
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, :)
[03:15] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: bad completion
[03:15] <dazzed> a .iso is a cd file ...(universal)
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, it's cool
[03:15] <oscarh> :D
[03:15] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: well Ubuntu Mandravia or SuSe would be best
[03:15] <dazzed> its an image file
[03:15] <oscarh> chiwawa_42, confused though
[03:15] <transgress> best for what?
[03:15] <SpAwN> hmm
[03:16] <hybrid_goth> SpAwN: Ubuntu is the best b/c it is userfriendly but can get real powerfull
[03:16] <osity> is there a raid chan that may know or shoudl i try debian
[03:16] <senator32> transgress: should i just move the dvd files to the hd?
[03:16] <dazzed> SpAwN: look at my ubuntu www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux_latest.jpg
[03:16] <SpAwN> i will check out the website
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> osity: you need a really special setup to do that
[03:16] <transgress> senator32: doesn't seem to be the problem... i don't even know what the problem is
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> oscarh: debian isntaller sucks
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> sry oscarh
[03:16] <dazzed> SpAwN: its actually my fluxbox but ubuntu is my dist
[03:16] <chiwawa_42> osity: you need a custom kernel anyway
[03:16] <senator32> transgress: ok thanks for the help though
[03:16] <transgress> umm... chiwawa_42 ... ubuntu uses debian installer with a few parts cut out of it
[03:17] <SpAwN> lol
[03:17] <SpAwN> i might leave
[03:17] <chiwawa_42> transgress: yeah, it still sucks
[03:17] <osity> i highly doubt i need a really special setup for raid......
[03:17] <SpAwN> cus this is a lil over crowded
[03:17] <transgress> compared to?
[03:17] <chiwawa_42> osity: it's not "just" raid, it's a boot from raid
[03:17] <oscarh> :D
[03:17] <SpAwN> i will check out website for ubuntu
[03:17] <osity> hmmm
[03:18] <chiwawa_42> osity: also, mirroring can be done with either mdadm or lvm
[03:18] <Nalioth> raal, sorry i'm not a deep-ended nerd, i only know that PPC and arm and x86 all go different ways
[03:19] <bodaciousb> anyone know how i cna convert mds/mdf files to iso in linux?
[03:19] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: you also know ppc is the best :P
[03:19] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, why would you say that?  :P
[03:19] <thechitowncubs> Nalioth: why do you allow yourself to struggle with your PPC :)
[03:20] <bodaciousb> isn't PPC mac?
[03:20] <ksmurf> hello all.  can anyone direct me to help for 1. Getting my tv out working on my nvidia 6600GT 2. Getting my graphire working on this system.  I'm using hoary and it is just about a clean install
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: no idea...
[03:20] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, the struggle is life; life is the struggle
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> bodaciousb: yes
[03:20] <transgress> bodaciousb: yes
[03:20] <Nalioth> bodaciousb, yes it is
[03:20] <Nalioth> and also IBM big iron
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: amen
[03:20] <bodaciousb> =P thought so
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> motorola
[03:20] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: G3 right?
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> bodaciousb: some ppl say it is not a mac due to the fact it has linux on not mac os
[03:21] <ells> anyone here copy dvds
[03:21] <thechitowncubs> ells: maybe
[03:21] <hybrid_goth> ells: no i copy actors
[03:21] <ells> thchitowncubs: cool, have you noticed new encryption on the dvds
[03:22] <Razor-X> htish is the empteenth time i'm saying this, but, fdisk /mbr should boot WinXP partitions too, right?
[03:22] <thechitowncubs> Not really, I only copy some that i need to backup
[03:22] <ells> thchitowncubs: there is new encryption out there
[03:22] <hybrid_goth> ouch
[03:22] <ells> thchitowncubs: I have seen it increasingly in the last few months
[03:23] <nicedreams> how do i start an application at startup?  I'm using fluxbox and I want freevo to start inside of fluxbox without having to login so I want it to auto login and run freevo
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> really?
[03:23] <ells> thchitowncubs: was curious is anyone had done a work around for the new encryption
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> ahhh, that will suck
[03:23] <brdweb> Razor-X: yes, that takes the mbr back to default, so any windows OS that is first on the drive should boot
[03:23] <ells> thchitowncubs: yeap
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> i haven't seen any news on it
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: buy a new dvd and you will see
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: I bought house of flying daggers and it was on there
[03:24] <ells> thchitowncubs: I checked it against my pirates of the caribbean which i backed up fine
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:11: syntax error
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:19: syntax error
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:20: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:24: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:47: class definition in method body
[03:24] <mebaran151> book2.rb:74: syntax error
[03:25] <mebaran151> anyone here know ruby and want to help fix it
[03:25] <elcu> nicedreams: you're probably going to have to edit a fluxbox config fle
[03:25] <osity> any one have raid experience....
[03:25] <elcu> mebaran151: please don't paste lines here
[03:25] <nicedreams> elcu, how do i make it auto login my username with gdm?
[03:25] <mebaran151> sorry
[03:25] <elcu> use a pastebin
[03:25] <mebaran151> that paste wasnt supposed to go here
[03:25] <mebaran151> heheh
[03:26] <elcu> mebaran151: that's even worse.
[03:26] <Marble2> why do I get a totally messed up terminal when I do jar c directory
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> I backed up Ferris Bueller and that worked :)
[03:26] <ells> thchitowncubs: older movie my friend
[03:26] <elcu> nicedreams: sorry, i'm a gnome user so not really familiar with fluxbox.  try googling.
[03:26] <elcu> or maybe even #fluxbox (if it exists)
[03:26] <ells> thchitowncubs: I have seen the last two new ones I bought have it on there
[03:26] <floam> Are there any Ubuntu isntall CD's that aren't 650MB?
[03:26] <drcode> hi all
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, this particular chat gateway is a G3 ibook
[03:27] <floam> I'd like to find one that's like 50-100 that'd just download crap it needs from mirrors
[03:27] <Deffie> hi all, i'm using ubuntu 5.04 default installation, i've created a vfat partition to archive data, now i created an user to work on the partition and i set to him the partition on fstab, i'm copying data to that partition from network via ftp but looking at df /data is now growing, but /.dev is growing instead... :?
[03:27] <drcode> can I clone two hdd I Want to remove all my linux into bigger hdd
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: my box is a g3
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, my new G4 ibook is awaiting drivers for the Aiport Extreme
[03:27] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: I was told that wont _ever_ happen
[03:27] <Deffie> s/is now/is not
[03:27] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, may i say, BULL<cookies>!!
[03:28] <PacoBCN> hi guys, Can you give me some public dns servers? Mine are too slow
[03:28] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: b/c i was going to get a g4 superdrive etc but they said no wifi driver and prolly never
[03:28] <Deffie> PacoBCN host -t ns yourprovider.tld
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i wanna get a mac mini deck it out purrrr
[03:29] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: do you know of a linux ppc VoIP?
[03:29] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, so share it off your G3
[03:29] <jamesio> anyone have an idea why "out of the blue" my system wants to remove "ubuntu-desktop" in apt-get?
[03:29] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, my first mac-mini is goin under my driver seat (i drive a taxi) and will be full of music
[03:29] <Marble2> how can I make a .jar file out of a directory?
[03:30] <PacoBCN> Deffie, the ones my provider gave me are the one I'm using
[03:30] <mr_roboto> marble2: jar cvf <jarfile> dirname
[03:30] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, can skype not be compiled for PPC?
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nice. Mplayer on there a small display
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: nope it can not i tried
[03:30] <sig> hybrid_goth: why not
[03:30] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: I d/l the source and went to compile and i got errrors
[03:31] <Deffie> PacoBCN you can do that with any host, get an host that is near to you, in terms of latency (check with traceroute)
[03:31] <hybrid_goth> sig: b/c it is i386 src
[03:31] <sig> hybrid_goth: google some more then
[03:31] <PacoBCN> Deffie, the ones I've tried don't allow you to use them if your ip is not one of theirs
[03:31] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, saw a thang when the mini first came out showing a 5" touch screen
[03:31] <Deffie> PacoBCN you can setup a named too
[03:32] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: hmm that would be nice to put in the cab and have like mplayer or vlc
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, did you ask uncle google the secret of compiling skype on ppc?
[03:32] <hussam> what exaclty will I lose if I don't incluse multiverse in sources.list ?
[03:32] <Deffie> PacoBCN and then use <IP_ADDRESS> as your nameserver
[03:32] <elcu> jamesio: don't rely on me for this, but iirc, removing ubuntu-desktop is ok. i forget how it fits in the system.
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, i just want a full-screen control panel (since i won't be surfing or writing thesis while i drive)
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, with big buttons
[03:32] <zoop_> Can anyone confirm that Java is broken on breezy? I'm having problems
[03:32] <Deffie> hi all, i'm using ubuntu 5.04 default installation, i've created a vfat partition to archive data, now i created an user to work on the partition and i set to him the partition on fstab, i'm copying data to that partition from network via ftp but looking at df /data is not growing, but /.dev is growing instead... :?
[03:32] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, osx skype works great
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: would it work on ppc linux tho
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> ...
[03:33] <sig> hybrid_goth: it should yes
[03:33] <elcu> jamesio: search ubuntuforums.org for a better explanation
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> sig: for real
[03:33] <sig> try i
[03:33] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, osx is bsd based, linux is a wee bit different. ask uncle google for the secret
[03:33] <hybrid_goth> sweet
[03:33] <mr_roboto> zoop: maybe that's the reason for the warning in the title against using breezy :)
[03:33] <sig> try it
[03:34] <mrw> anyone know how to make Gnome display the images in a slideshow like manner?
[03:34] <sig> Nalioth: not too different
[03:34] <hybrid_goth> it is a dmg
[03:34] <sig> if it can be done in bsd it can be done in linux
[03:34] <sig> skype is working on freebsd
[03:34] <sig> just fine
[03:34] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yeah maybe, but I'd like to track this down.
[03:34] <sig> and it is using the linux src
[03:34] <elcu> mrw: you'll want an image viewer app for that.
[03:34] <mrw> kinda like what happens with a folder full of images on exp?  I can double click one, it is opened in a program, then I can click the right arrow and cycle through them
[03:34] <Nalioth> sig just enough for it not to compile some things
[03:34] <sig> Nalioth: wrong buddy
[03:35] <sig> linux compat
[03:35] <mrw> elcu, it opens in an image viewer, but it is listed as 1/1 :-/
[03:35] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the dmg
[03:35] <Nalioth> sig, well i'm a ./configure && make && make install kinda guy
[03:35] <mr_roboto> zoop: if you really need a working java, the sun one works great. not controlled by apt but everything installs into a single dir so it's VERY manageable
[03:35] <Nalioth> sig if it don't work with that, i'm lost
[03:35] <sig> Nalioth: great
[03:35] <JoeXCoolNJ> Does anybody know how to get the ALPS GlidePoint working under kernel 2.6? I have a Compaq R3000 series laptop and everything works flawlessly when I boot the live cd, but the touchpad is completely dead when I boot into the system installed on my hard drive.
[03:35] <sig> Nalioth: then I'm glad your new ubuntu system is borked and unstable
[03:35] <sig> :)
[03:35] <elcu> mrw: yep. iirc image viewer doesn't slideshow.  check out gqview.  it's my favourite image viewer
[03:35] <sig> because if your not using apt than your not being very smart
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> sig: how is that unstable
[03:36] <zoop_> mr_roboto: I've installed the SUN SDK 1.5.0update03...
[03:36] <sig> hybrid_goth: because it uses the apt system
[03:36] <Nalioth> sig this is the best running borked and unstable system ive run
[03:36] <mr_roboto> zoop: and you're having problems with it?
[03:36] <elcu> Nalioth: don't tell me you install dependencies from source as well...
[03:36] <zoop_> mr_roboto: But Eclipse crashes the JVM.
[03:36] <sig> it keeps track of packages that way
[03:36] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: does the ibook g3 have a mic
[03:37] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yes.
[03:37] <sig> Nalioth: you will eventually run into problems
[03:37] <sig> like when you want to upgrade
[03:37] <Nalioth> elcu, nope i cheat with build-dep
[03:37] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, yes it does, and speakers, too
[03:37] <osity> can anyone help with software raid here?
[03:37] <Nalioth> sig what do you advise, /msg is ok if nobody else in here wants to hear all this nerdy stuff
[03:37] <zoop_> mr_roboto: And MapleV which uses some IBM JRE also segfaults...
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: i knew it had speaker- listen to A Perfect Circle right now- juss idk if it had a mic but cool
[03:38] <mr_roboto> zoop: you can't even start eclipse?
[03:38] <sig> Nalioth: I advise you use apt-get with the correct repositores or synaptic with the correct repositories.... "period"
[03:38] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, they say when you buy a Mac, you need pay for nothing else...(fw cards, usb cards, etc)
[03:38] <hybrid_goth> :D
[03:38] <Nalioth> sig so "apt-get source -b <pkgname>" is the way to go?
[03:39] <zoop_> mr_roboto: I can start it but after doing some things the JVM keeps crashing
[03:39] <hybrid_goth> except the mini
[03:39] <mr_roboto> zoop: i use eclipse here and use it on a major project
[03:39] <sig> using "apt-get" or "synaptic" is the way to go yes
[03:39] <sig> man apt-get for more information on src
[03:39] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, the mini still comes with fw/usb2
[03:39] <mr_roboto> zoop: what exactly do you do to make it crash?
[03:39] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Are you running breezy?
[03:39] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, apple usually puts the mic on the display
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: no... hoary
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: but you got to buy a monitor keyboard and mouse
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> BYODKM
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: i actually tried for a bit but went back to hoary after the warnings
[03:40] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Yes, in hoary Java works just fine...
[03:40] <sig> apple hardware is a rip off
[03:40] <sig> IMO
[03:40] <sig> :)
[03:40] <sig> too expensive
[03:40] <hybrid_goth> y?
[03:40] <mr_roboto> zoop: ahhh, I see.   well good luck with that!
[03:40] <zoop_> mr_roboto: Thanks :)
[03:41] <sig> technology is growing too fast to pay that much money for a system that will be way obsolete in 1 year
[03:41] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, the mini costs $499US. you buy it, and throw away your windoze bookend, reusing the perfectly good peripherals that were being sullied by it
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> 1 yr o_0
[03:41] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: yea but if it is a first computer...
[03:42] <Nalioth> sig, my ibook g3 is over 3 years old and still runs fine (to my perceptions)
[03:42] <sig> ok
[03:42] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if it is a first puter, go to walmart
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> lol
[03:42] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: get a 500$ linspire laptop
[03:42] <Nalioth> when last i looked, you could get a CRT 17" from walmart for >$100
[03:43] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, shut yo mouth!
[03:43] <stakkato> view our statement: http://stakkato.on.nimp.org/~hacked/statement.php
[03:43] <IIIEars> the mac mini is interesting -but it is missing a few things
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth:  rofl
[03:43] <ahuman01> how to get the cups-pdf printer working ? I want to save files as pdf
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> like a keyboard
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> mouse
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> monitor
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: dont you love linspire
[03:43] <IIIEars> and of course a decent bus speed - lol
[03:43] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it can run all you winblows apps ootb
[03:44] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, it is a debian distro
[03:44] <ells> I was talking about it earlier, is anyone having issues backing up the new dvds with the new encryption
[03:44] <thechitowncubs> Whats the difference between buffered and unbuffered memory?
[03:44] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, see above remark concering bulls (00tb, my butt)
[03:44] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: yea with wine built in
[03:44] <mr_roboto> thechitowncubs: one is buffered, the other not :O
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it is like debian for nobody
[03:45] <sig> just buy a barebone laptop
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> while ubuntu is debian for everybody
[03:45] <IIIEars> Gave Linspire a shot - it installed then stalled at the demo intro - verification?
[03:45] <sig> way cheap then you can just slap *nix on it
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> Figured that out
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> is there a benefit to one or the other
[03:45] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, i think linspire will be safe from my input
[03:45] <thechitowncubs> i think i found the answer
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Linspire is alot like microsoft
[03:45] <sig> http://www.visionman.com/products/category.php?id=3#1U%20Barebones
[03:45] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: roflmao
[03:46] <mr_roboto> thechitowncubs: well tell me, i'm curious what you mean by the term
[03:46] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, there is less likelyhood of data errors with buffered ram
[03:46] <IIIEars> If ubuntu hadvideo accelerationenabled on install i would be perfectly happy. - :)
[03:46] <Nalioth> thechitowncubs, some higher end mission critical machines require buffered
[03:46] <mr_roboto> nalioth: how does it work? what's the idea of buffered?
[03:47] <mrw> elcu, is it in the repos?
[03:47] <elcu> mrw: yes
[03:47] <hybrid_goth> now what do i do with the dmg
[03:48] <mrw> elcu, when I apt-cache search it all I get is gthumb as the result?  Same thing or no?
[03:48] <Nalioth> mr_roboto, i believe it checks the data in and out more exactly
[03:48] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, what dmg?
[03:48] <elcu> mrw: no, you need to update your sources list: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:49] <concept10> is there a ubuntu live cd for PPC (Apple powerbook g4)
[03:49] <mrw> oh it is in the extra repos ok
[03:49] <Nalioth> concept10, there is
[03:49] <chiwawa_42> osity: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1
[03:49] <mr_roboto> nalioth: more exactly? you mean something more than ECC? or is ECC what you mean by buffered ram?
[03:49] <osity> thanks chi
[03:49] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: the skype dmg
[03:49] <chiwawa_42> osity: so you asked without even reading the official doc
[03:50] <chiwawa_42> osity: that's bad
[03:50] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, if you aint gonna run it on OSX, chunk it
[03:50] <Nalioth> mr_roboto, isnt buffered another name for ECC? i really have no idea, but thats what i thought
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> sig said it will work
[03:50] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the skype dmg
[03:50] <osity> chiwawa_42: what's bad?
[03:51] <chiwawa_42> osity: your lamer attitude
[03:51] <sig> chiwawa_42: he never said anything
[03:51] <mr_roboto> nalioth: well... that makes sense. i just never heard the term buffered ram so that's why i asked.
[03:51] <elcu> mrw: it's my personal favourite.  if it's not to your liking, you can always try one of the other hundred/s out there.  but no, you won't get the exact functionality xp has, you'll need to use a seperate app.
[03:51] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, you need the skype sources
[03:51] <osity> chi: you are the assuming lamer here.
[03:51] <sig> why don't you scroll up and look
[03:51] <chiwawa_42> osity: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[03:52] <osity> i have ready any article you can find with a simple search
[03:52] <ali4728> Help! how can I check what services are running on my ubuntu/computer?
[03:52] <osity> i have been on this shit for weeks
[03:52] <sig> chiwawa_42: whats your problem?
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: it says skype-i586
[03:52] <elcu> well, until nautilus integrates its own image viewer that is
[03:52] <chiwawa_42> osity: the link i just gave, i got it reading ubuntu's global wiki
[03:52] <osity> that doesnt help me
[03:52] <hybrid_goth> sig: what do i do with the skype dmg
[03:53] <osity> it says nothing about partitions ...i found that article a month ago...you are not a master googler ......
[03:53] <ali4728> Help! how can I check what services are running on my ubuntu/computer?
[03:53] <chiwawa_42> osity: sry but i've spent a few minutes for you that i would have used better on my own business if you took time to search properly
[03:53] <chiwawa_42> osity: that's anoying, not because you id, because most does
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: you mean processes? top
[03:54] <ali4728> yeah
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: alternatively, use the system monitor
[03:54] <elcu> ali4728: type 'top'
[03:54] <ali4728> thnx
[03:54] <elcu>  in a terminal
[03:54] <chiwawa_42> osity: when the information is easilly accessible, it's a shame you don't achieve to find it
[03:55] <osity> do you read bonehead>?  or do you just babble?
[03:55] <torpid> this is off topic guys, but worth a laugh for a geek.  i emailed an "intelligent design" supporter after i saw her name in an article on google news, about efforts to get ID in classrooms, and lessen evolution.
[03:55] <osity> stick that raid article up your #$%^&*(
[03:55] <lifeless> osity: hey, tone it down please
[03:55] <torpid> With respect to the evolution of proteins, and it's "low probability" she replied, "Mathematicians classify any event with a probability of less than roughly 10 ^ - 55 as "impossible".
[03:55] <osity> i told you it didnt help....now lay off
[03:56] <chiwawa_42> ok osity
[03:56] <chiwawa_42> got an ignore
[03:56] <osity> lifeless: just a bit ticked as chi's inability to read
[03:56] <Nalioth> osity, its not nice to point out peoples apparent faults (when they're trying to help you)
[03:56] <lifeless> osity: that doesn't justify such a hostile tone
[03:57] <osity> helping does not include calling someone lame
[03:57] <hybrid_goth> how do i empty my trash from the command line
[03:57] <osity> or is that the american way? i doubt it
[03:57] <Nalioth> hybrid_goth, how many trash folders do you have?
[03:57] <osity> tone?  you can hear me?
[03:57] <osity> lalala
[03:57] <lifeless> I can hear you just fine
[03:58] <elcu> hybrid_goth: cd ~/.Trash
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> Nalioth: 1
[03:58] <elcu> Nalioth: multiple trash folders?!
[03:58] <Nalioth> elcu, i have found 3 trash folders on my system
[03:58] <hybrid_goth> elcu: whats after cd ~/.Trash
[03:59] <elcu> hybrid_goth: rm *
[03:59] <Nalioth> ~/.Trash is one, another is my HFS+ mounted drive/.Trash-username  and the other is at ~/.local/share/Trash/
[03:59] <hybrid_goth> ok ty
[03:59] <Nalioth> i got to wondering where all the space was going, and it was all hidden in .local
[04:00] <IIIEars> nice tip
[04:00] <elcu> /root/.Trash
[04:00] <gp_aaron> anyone been able to install xvidcap?
[04:00] <mr_roboto> ali4728: for n in `awk '/^[a-z] / {print $1}' /etc/services `; do ps -ef |grep $n|grep -v grep; done
[04:01] <osity> IIIEars:   can you give me a hand with paritioning for a raid 1 ? I beleive you have helped me before with this....
[04:01] <rhys-hynaws> Hey. Does anyone have a favourite program that parses php for wed dev?
[04:01] <rhys-hynaws> web*
[04:01] <chiwawa_42> osity: everything is explained is this document, you ned to do a expert install, and bypass it's bootloader setup to install lilo manually. I did it the same way on gentoo, it works just fine.
[04:02] <IIIEars> I appreciate your confidence. - but it wasn't me - sorry
[04:02] <mindspore> is there a good PHP IDE (non-commercial) that has a debugger that will allow me to step-through code?
[04:02] <chiwawa_42> it also gives a trick to not use a custom kernel if you're not able to build one
[04:02] <Nalioth> elcu i don't have a /root/.Trash
[04:02] <osity> IIIEars:  wrong dude then
[04:02] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore, if you find onelet me know
[04:02] <elcu> Nalioth: you do if you sudo su first
[04:02] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, k
[04:03] <Nalioth> elcu i only use sudo, never a su heh heh
[04:03] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore,  what do you write your php in?
[04:04] <elcu> Nalioth: that's good.  i found that root trash folder in another distro actually when i deleted stuff as root.
[04:04] <elcu> :-)
[04:04] <IIIEars> lol@elcu
[04:04] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore, try phpeclipse
[04:04] <Nalioth> elcu, even when i ran YDL, i set up sudo
[04:05] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, alot, mostly database
[04:05] <Nalioth> elsu imho, sudo is safety (i've learnt from experience, see?)
[04:05] <nicedreams> How do I get ubuntu to run my ~/.xinitrc script after loging in through gdm?
[04:05] <mindspore> rhys-hynaws, oh.. what do I write it in.. just text editor, hehe
[04:05] <elcu> Nalioth: you're right, which is why i said "that's good".
[04:05] <metalsand> Okay
[04:05] <metalsand> Great
[04:05] <metalsand> jus got off the phone will dell after an hour
[04:06] <mrw> vim is nice for syntax highlighting.  Then I setup an alias that quickly tails the last 6 entries of the php error logs so I can see where my error might be in the code.
[04:06] <metalsand> To disable my onboard Wireless LAN I have to REMOVE THE FREAKIGN CARD!
[04:06] <mrw> I hate debugging php
[04:06] <metalsand> God damnit.
[04:06] <rhys-hynaws> mindspore,  you are crazy lol
[04:06] <mrw> metalsand, ??
[04:06] <mrw> metalsand, in Ubuntu?
[04:06] <metalsand> I've been trying to configure my PCMCIA wireless card in Ubuntu forever
[04:06] <ali4728> Help Needed! I am running a webserver on my local machine and (apache/php) I wouldlike to send an email through a php web page
[04:06] <metalsand> But apparently it's conflicting with my internal card
[04:07] <Nalioth> metalsand, are they sure that THAT WILL deactivate it?
[04:07] <ali4728> I have Postfix mail sever running1 What do I have to configure to be able to send an email? Thanks (php code: http://pastebin.com/281961)
[04:07] <metalsand> Nalioth: Yes
[04:07] <elcu> mrw: how did gqview go?
[04:07] <mindspore> mrw: yeah, errors are easy enought o fix.. but, when you've got something like the wrong data in the wrong array.. that's where debuggers come in handy
[04:07] <Nalioth> heh heh
[04:07] <metalsand> :P
[04:07] <mr_roboto> ali4728: was that an ubuntu question?  :)
[04:07] <Nalioth> mrw, in his Dell box
[04:07] <sir-gold> metalsand: the conflict was only a guess
[04:07] <ali4728> yeah
[04:07] <metalsand> Nalioth: You'd unerstand why I used caps if you knew how long I'd been working at this
[04:07] <mr_roboto> ali4728: how so?
[04:07] <metalsand> I'm pretty sure I'm a record holder
[04:07] <ali4728> how do you mean?
[04:07] <Nalioth> metalsand, i have been seeing u in here quite a bit
[04:07] <mrw> mindspore, yeah I know, that's why I hate debugging php.  syntax errors are easy with the log but for anything else  ughhh It takes forever
[04:08] <metalsand> For most time spent on getting one hardware issue working in Ubuntu
[04:08] <ahuman01> anybody seen this cups problem ? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-19059.html
[04:08] <metalsand> At this point I'm not going to remove my mini PCI card
[04:09] <mindspore> mrw, I'd use Zend.. but I don't wanna shell out the bucks, lol
[04:09] <mrw> elcu, bam, yeah that's what I was looking for, thanks
 ubuntu question yes
[04:10] <mindspore> mrw, the maguma open studio looks promising.. but very buggy right now
[04:11] <jaggi> hi..
[04:11] <mr_roboto> ubuntu: well... in the sense that it's running on ubuntu i guess. anyway <shrug>
[04:11] <osity> anathema:  hey  mann.....
[04:11] <osity> how are ya,,,,
[04:11] <anathema> hey osity, good
[04:11] <osity> I've been waiting for ya to get on .,..
[04:11] <osity> :)
[04:11] <anathema> hows stuff wokring haha
[04:11] <jaggi> I'm having a problem... after I installed ubuntu, windows won't boot anymore -- when selecting it in the grub menu windows blue-screens
[04:11] <osity> it not....
[04:11] <anathema> doh
[04:11] <anathema> whats the problem /
[04:12] <osity> im stuck at the partitioning part....
[04:12] <osity> do you need swap when setting up the partitioner?
[04:12] <mrw> elcu, anyway to make it auto fit the image to the window all the time?
[04:12] <mindspore> jaggi: format mbr
[04:12] <jaggi> when looking at the fdisk of /dev/hda I see the partition table, but each line has:  Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[04:12] <anathema> ahh i cant remember what you're all doing exactly osity
[04:12] <mrw> so when I open huge images it will shrink them to the size window I open?
[04:12] <osity> raid1
[04:13] <jaggi> mindspore, not sure what you mean?
[04:13] <anathema> oh
[04:13] <anathema> haha
[04:13] <elcu> mrw: config-> image tab
[04:13] <mrw> elcu, yeah lol I found it right after I asked
[04:13] <mrw> thanks this was what I was looking for :)
[04:13] <mr_roboto> jaggi: did you move the partition during your install?
[04:13] <osity> you had walked me through some stuff then i had sent you a link with the howto.... but i get stuck setting up the patritiones properly
[04:13] <elcu> np
[04:14] <jaggi> windows does now go to the menu "there was an error on the last boot etc.  Safe Mode, Safe Mode with networking, etc." but even safe mode blue-screens
[04:14] <jaggi> no, I didn't change the windows partition, but I *did* let ubuntu establish its own partition tables..
[04:14] <osity> anathema: have you seen the partitioner?
[04:14] <ahuman01> anyone seen  this cups-pdf  problem ? http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/024015.html
[04:15] <jaggi> I had XP installed on the primary partition -- ubuntu "left it alone" but added partition 2 for the linux install, and partition 3 is an extended partition containing the swap partition
[04:15] <jaggi> when I ran fdisk prior to the ubuntu install -- when I had only XP installed -- I don't recall seeing "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary."
[04:15] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?
[04:15] <mr_roboto> jaggi: that  should all be fine. sounds like it changed the windows partition somehow   like moved it
[04:15] <jaggi> but I'm not sure why ubuntu's partitioning damaged the windows xp partition's location (if that's the problem)
[04:16] <osity> anathema: i removed the 2 200GB i had and am just trying with 2 40GB for now to make sure its not a size compatability issue....got a few minutes?
[04:18] <jaggi> I wonder how to fix this..
[04:18] <jaggi> fdisk /mbr will not fix the partition table though, will it, mindspore?
[04:18] <jaggi> roboto, yeah.. still starts at 1.. here  /dev/hda1   *           1       20805    10485688+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[04:18] <jaggi> Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[04:19] <mindspore> jaggi: no, but I'm not sure that is your problem
[04:19] <jaggi> start is 1, end is 20805..   some site mentioned ubuntu enables SATA or something... could that be related?
[04:19] <OmniColossus> I had XP installed first on the first partition
[04:19] <jaggi> yeah, it's normal for me too, omni.. whenever I've had dual boot systems
[04:19] <OmniColossus> theninstalled ubuntu with grub
[04:19] <jaggi> ahh, and and?  :)
[04:20] <jaggi> this is my first experience with ubuntu..
[04:20] <OmniColossus> but ubuntu instal made the 2nd partition (ubuntu) the bootable
[04:20] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?  I could use some direction if someone has the time
[04:20] <OmniColossus> so the system would not bot
[04:20] <jaggi> first linux experience was maybe 11 years ago .. used slackware :)
[04:20] <OmniColossus> I then reenterd ubuntu install and set first partition as bootable again
[04:20] <OmniColossus> then exited
[04:20] <OmniColossus> and it worked fine
[04:21] <bestadvocate> anyone here use freeciv?
[04:21] <IIIEars> Grub is a problem had no trouble with Ubuntu installing if it used the entire hard drive - it wasn't so smooth as a dual boot install.
[04:21] <IIIEars> It didn't identify te partitions correctly.
[04:22] <bestadvocate> i cant for the life of me figure out how to start a single player game...
[04:22] <mr_roboto> i use grub on my laptop to boot between xp pro and ubuntu
[04:22] <mr_roboto> works fine
[04:22] <jaggi> omni, interesting.. this ubuntu install set the grub option "makeactive" which I think will re-establish the bootable state of the windows partition (1) if it needs to
[04:22] <bestadvocate> me too mr robato
[04:22] <mr_roboto> and grub on my desktop boot between suse and ubuntu with no problem
[04:22] <IIIEars> did you need to edit grub?
[04:22] <elcu> bestadvocate: uh, isn't it multiplayer only?
[04:23] <jaggi> I didn't have to edit grub.. but I can't get windows to boot without blue-screening
[04:23] <OmniColossus> well I didnt touch the grub configuration
[04:23] <mr_roboto> IIIEars... can't remember. I might have edited the boot menu
[04:23] <jaggi> I'm pretty sure the partition table has been modified
[04:23] <OmniColossus> I only used the ubuntu partition manager to make the first partition bootable again
[04:23] <OmniColossus> then exited the install
[04:23] <bestadvocate> elcu: i thought so too, till i read this on their FAQ:   "Once the client starts, select "start new game". Now edit your game settings (the defaults should be fine for a beginner-level single-player game) and press the start button."
[04:23] <IIIEars> Yep "" - that was tough for me - never done it before.
[04:24] <elcu> jaggi: so you partitioned before doing the ubuntu install?
[04:24] <elcu> bestadvocate: did you follow those steps?
[04:24] <OmniColossus> I was really scared cause after I had first installed ubuntu I couldnt boot at all ^^
[04:24] <jaggi> in fact, you know what ... I wouldn't have setup the partition tables like this anyway.  I'd have 3 primary partitions, while I figured I'd let ubuntu "automatically" handle partitioning its own way... I wanted to see what it would do -- maybe I'd learn something
[04:25] <OmniColossus> I am using 4 primary partitions
[04:25] <bestadvocate> elcu they arnt specific enoungh, or perhaps the deb package is set up diffrently...
[04:25] <jaggi> elcu, actually, thank you for reminding me!  I *did* run another linux boot cd before (not an install CD) and I setup partition 2 and 3, then I deleted those with ubuntu!
[04:25] <OmniColossus> I don't like using extended parttions if I can help it
[04:25] <bestadvocate> e
[04:25] <jaggi> my apology -- I'm glad you asked in that way ..
[04:25] <IIIEars> lol - i made the mistake of installing lilo think it would be easier - not! - i got an endless stream of zeros displayed onscreen. - lol
[04:25] <jaggi> during the ubuntu install I deleted those two primary partitions and then used ubuntu's auto-partitioning
[04:26] <bestadvocate> elcu: the program once started gives you "connect to freeciv server" instead of letting you change any setting....
[04:26] <m3jsh> can anyone take a look at this terminal output and tell me what is wrong? : root@anjin:/home/m3jsh # sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<2.6.10-5-386> xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:26] <m3jsh> bash: 2.6.10-5-386: No such file or directory
[04:26] <jaggi> I would have placed the primary partition as 2, and linux as 3, but I noticed ubuntu placed the swap partition as the last partition ..
[04:26] <jaggi> I think this is good
[04:26] <OmniColossus> so from the begining I made the 10gig primary parts and a primary part of the remaining space..... installed XP on the first primary first
[04:26] <mr_roboto> m3jsh: lose the '<' and '>'
[04:26] <jaggi> if I recall correctly, the last partition is in the outer-portion of the disk, which is faster or slower or something.. :)
[04:26] <IIIEars> having the swap partitiion last is more secure?
[04:27] <m3jsh> mr_robot: thank you
[04:27] <elcu> bestadvocate: /join #freeciv
[04:27] <OmniColossus> then in ubuntu install I killed the 2nd 10gig partion and use that space for its auto partitioning
[04:27] <elcu> :-)
[04:27] <bestadvocate> ah cool gratzy
[04:27] <jaggi> normally I do this:  Windows partition 1, Linux swap on 2, Linux (ext3) on 3.
[04:27] <OmniColossus> it made a 500meg swap and the remainder of the 10gig space for root
[04:28] <jaggi> but, come to think of it, aren't drives *still* using the same quantity of data bits though the data is stored in a more-dispersed space in the outer cylinders?
[04:28] <OmniColossus> it installed grub in the mbr but set the linux partion bootable (bad)
[04:28] <bestadvocate> elcu: it appears to be an echo chamber sadly
[04:28] <IIIEars> still curious why my drive size was reduced from 40g to 32g?
[04:28] <jaggi> anyhow, something to think about.  In the meantime, I need to find a way to get my windows partition booting :(
[04:29] <elcu> bestadvocate: someone posted something when i checked it.  maybe just wait a bit
[04:29] <darGor> i open video files with xine, all ok, but i dont have sound. Anyone know what's the problem ?
[04:29] <jaggi> (I don't know if it's more secure.. but I have a feeling that if the same amount of data is stored in a larger space, perhaps the data integrity is higher because the density is less.. *shrug*)
[04:29] <OmniColossus> I restarted ubuntu installer and used its manager to set the FIRST partition as bootable again (lighting icon)
[04:30] <IIIEars> jaggi - the grub conf tool didn't work for me. i used a text editor and a generic howto. (god bless google.)
[04:30] <OmniColossus> then it worked ok
[04:30] <mr_roboto> omnicolossus: can't you just do that from parted?
[04:30] <ali4728> How does Ubuntu PHP mail function work with (postfix MTA)?
[04:31] <OmniColossus> gurb seemed to have been set up ok by ubuntu install, I only changed it to default windows (dont hate me :)
[04:31] <abarbaccia> anybody use beep media player successfully?
[04:31] <jaggi> iii, to edit what??  :)
[04:31] <chris_ubuntu> Hello, I have a linux supported modem, and need a little guidance.  Would somebody give me a little direction?
[04:31] <OmniColossus> I could have done that from parted on the commandline, bu tI'm such a noob
[04:31] <IIIEars> Omni - lol - i understand
[04:31] <abarbaccia> chris_ubuntu, try going into system - admin - networking nad configuring it from there
[04:32] <elcu> abarbaccia: me
[04:32] <OmniColossus> I like ubuntu part editor
[04:32] <mr_roboto> qtparted is pretty darn nice
[04:32] <IIIEars> check the /boot directory for grub stuff.
[04:32] <abarbaccia> elcu, did you have to change anything because mine keeps freezing when i go to play a song
[04:32] <OmniColossus> right now i
[04:32] <ksmurf> does anyone have experience getting twinview to work on an nvidia card (6600GT).?  I could use some direction if someone has the time
[04:32] <elcu> abarbaccia: right-click -> prefs -> plugins -> output -> set to esd
[04:32] <OmniColossus> Im trying to get WPA working on the bg2200 wifi set
[04:33] <OmniColossus> I'm going through the tutrial
[04:33] <OmniColossus> tutorial
[04:33] <chris_ubuntu> abarbaccia, I have been there, but it does not autodetect it
[04:33] <micon> hey, can someone help me? ive burned the ubuntu install iso onto a disk, but for some reason it wont boot to setup.
[04:33] <chris_ubuntu> Any suggestions?
[04:33] <elcu> abarbaccia: in short, oss sucks
[04:33] <micon> i know my bios is configured to boot to cd..
[04:33] <abarbaccia> elcu, what if esd is not a choice
[04:33] <micon> right now im running a XP machine, but i dont thinik that matter correct?
[04:33] <OmniColossus> but when I did "make" it made in the unzipped folder and not in the /lib/modules/drivers/net/wifi
[04:34] <chris_ubuntu> micon, you probably need to burn a disc image instead of just the file.
[04:34] <elcu> abarbaccia: any other one beside oss?
[04:34] <micon> chris, i did burn the disc image.
[04:34] <OmniColossus> so now I'm not sure where to put everything
[04:34] <abarbaccia> elcu, im running breezy and i think they are trying to get away from esd
[04:34] <OmniColossus> there are lots of .o and .ko files in the unzipped forlder
[04:35] <abarbaccia> elcu, i got a different one to work eSound?
[04:35] <chris_ubuntu> micon, I am trying to private chat you?  Do you see my chat?
[04:35] <elcu> abarbaccia: ah, whoops, that was what i meant, sorry.
[04:35] <micon> yeah sorry
[04:35] <OmniColossus> anyone ahve experience with Insyde bios?
[04:35] <ksmurf> upon startup I have both my lcd screen and my tv working.  can anyone tell me how to have that when I'm working in gnome?  My card is a nvidia 6600 GT using nvidia's binary drivers
[04:35] <elcu> abarbaccia: choose that one!
[04:35] <IIIEars> micon - i usually use windows and the (free) isopowertoy - author alex feinman - likely the iso is burned as a file and not a disk image.
[04:36] <abarbaccia> elcu, it works now - thanks - but i dont think it compares to amarok
[04:36] <mr_roboto> IIIEars: you should check out k3b, very nice burning tool
[04:36] <IIIEars> yes - it is bettr than nero - but if you are new.... - lol
[04:37] <elcu> abarbaccia: to each his own i guess.  i don't need the complexity of amarok.
[04:37] <abarbaccia> verywell
[04:37] <jaggi> I don't know how to fix my windows :(
[04:37] <IIIEars> burned a few coasters with k3b before "Joliet" made any sense to me. - grin
[04:38] <mr_roboto> well cd's are cheap at least :)
[04:38] <ksmurf> jaggi MBR problem?
[04:38] <phasegen> anyone have trouble with dialup???  If I close my connection, I can't start it again without rebooting...  Am I doing something wrong, or just not doing something right?
[04:38] <abarbaccia> IIIEars, what does Joliet mean?
[04:39] <IIIEars> and the idea of burning a bootable webserver to DVD is intoxicating. - Hacked? No problem - reboot. - lol
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: long file names
[04:39] <chris_ubuntu> Still looking for some guidance on a linux compat modem.  Anyone willing to have a dialog with me?
[04:39] <elcu> phasegen: personally, i use wvdial.
[04:40] <mr_roboto> jaggi: sorry, no idea how to fix your broken partition
[04:40] <mr_roboto> jaggi: i've had the same sort of problem before when i moved my windows partition above the 8gb line but you never even moved it
[04:40] <phasegen> I tried that, but it wouldn't let me sudo it, I had to actually log in as root
[04:41] <chris_ubuntu> Hot modem chat.  Seeking hot steamy modem chat!
[04:41] <elcu> lol
[04:41] <IIIEars> lol
[04:41] <phasegen> heh heh
[04:41] <Goebbels> anyone uses QEMU?
[04:42] <thechitowncubs> Is it possible to resize an ext3 partition?
[04:42] <elcu> chris_ubuntu: what sort of modem?
[04:42] <Goebbels> i have used apt-get install qemu, but Im having this problem after a "appereantly sucessfull" installation of W2k: "A disk read error occurred". Anyone can help?
[04:42] <Nalioth> anyone know the rpm command to export to tar.gz?
[04:42] <chris_ubuntu> elcu, I have a linux compatable Lucent.  I can tell you the model number if you like
[04:42] <elcu> thechitowncubs: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[04:43] <IIIEars> QEMU - nice.
[04:43] <thechitowncubs> thanks elcu
[04:44] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[04:44] <MuStR> wow I just pwnt gnome
[04:44] <MuStR> :[
[04:45] <jsgotangco> morning
[04:45] <MuStR> anyone know how to completely re-install gnome?
[04:46] <sir-gold> sudo apt-get --purge remove gnome
[04:46] <sir-gold> then sudo apt-get install gnome
[04:46] <MuStR> thanks, let me go do that
[04:47] <sir-gold> you have to do that when X isn't running
[04:47] <Nalioth> anyone? convrting src.rpm to tar.gz?
[04:47] <MuStR> hmm
[04:47] <sir-gold> at the login screen there should be an option for text-mode login
[04:47] <MuStR> what is the actual package name that will allow me to "purge" the gnome config files
[04:48] <sir-gold> thats what --purge does
[04:48] <MuStR> it gave me an error, saying there was no such package "gnome"
[04:48] <MuStR> and I'm on fluxbox at the moment...
[04:49] <MuStR> shouldn't I be able to uninstall and reinstall it from here?
[04:49] <MuStR> I've done so with KDE when I was on gnome
[04:49] <Nalioth> anyone know how to build src.rpms in ubuntu?
[04:51] <mindspore> apt-get is a damn miracle
[04:51] <chris_ubuntu> Still seeking hot steamy modem chat....  Can anyone give me some direction on setting up a linux compatable modem?
[04:52] <sir-gold> MuStR im not sure what the package name for gnome would be, the only think i see in synaptic is just 'gnome' nothing else looks right
[04:52] <ksmurf> upon startup I have both my lcd screen and my tv working.  can anyone tell me how to have that when I'm working in gnome?  My card is a nvidia 6600 GT using nvidia's binary drivers
[04:53] <chris_ubuntu> Help, I have fallen under the weight of my modem, and I can't get up
[04:53] <IIIEars> apt-get is awesome - tried a redhat 7.2 install once - two weeks reading about dependencies. - i gave up. lol
[04:53] <chris_ubuntu> Anyone willing to talk modems for a few minutos?
[04:54] <IIIEars> BSD is still that way from a base system.
[04:54] <elcu> IIIEars: don't the rpm based distros have a packaging system as well?
[04:54] <elcu> urpmi or some such?
[04:54] <IIIEars> yes - "YUM" isn't it?
[04:54] <micon> okay im back
[04:54] <hyphenated> elcu: for a long time, redhat didn't.
[04:54] <elcu> IIIEars: that's the one
[04:54] <micon> thanks chris_ubuntu , that worked for the image.
[04:54] <elcu> hyphenated: ah
[04:54] <chris_ubuntu> you are welcome Micon.  I thought it might
[04:55] <micon> but now im getting an error saying DSDT initrd something Notfound.
[04:55] <revelater> i need a program that will chart and trakc mutual funds, anyone know of any?
[04:55] <micon> revelater, Quickbooks?
[04:55] <sir-gold> revelater there are websies that can do that for you
[04:55] <revelater> quickbooks?
[04:55] <sir-gold> websites
[04:55] <revelater> but are there programs?
[04:56] <chris_ubuntu> Any modem experts lurking about?
[04:56] <revelater> websites have an agenda
[04:56] <IIIEars> 7.2 was in '97 0r '98 i think linus only first offered to a large group in '94
[04:56] <revelater> websites try to sell you something
[04:56] <micon> anyway, after i get to the start up screen for ubuntu.. it does a few things, then goes to a black screen, with a bunch of stuff and says.. blah blah blah DSDT initrd not found.
[04:56] <micon> anyone know how i can fix this
[04:56] <sir-gold> revelater yahoo finance
[04:56] <revelater> ok...
[04:56] <revelater> programs?
[04:57] <revelater> something streamlined, and buildt for mutual funds
[04:57] <revelater> built
[04:57] <problemlaa> help me: i can`t login........and the problem msg i got.. error while loading shared libraries : libgnutls.so.11 : cannot open shared object file: input/ouput error
[04:57] <cmss29> Still seeking modem help (under a new nic)
[04:57] <tritium> IIIEars, got to be 93
[04:58] <micon> i cant even install ubuntu.. Grrrr
[04:58] <IIIEars> almost. - lol 43
[04:58] <cmss29> micon, still having probs with the install?
[04:58] <IIIEars> oops yes . that might be right.
[04:58] <cmss29> chris_ubuntu test test test
[04:58] <elcu> cmss29: why not try and configure your modem manually?
[04:58] <micon> yes, DSDT initrd not found
[04:59] <micon> and it is stuck there.
[04:59] <micon> i tried doing the grub thing earlier, before i got the cd working, and that threw the same error..
[04:59] <cmss29> elcu, I need to set this up so my mom and dad can logon.  They are mid 60's.  To make it so they have to work from a terminal prompt is not realistic
[04:59] <problemlaa> help me: i can`t login........and the problem msg i got.. error while loading shared libraries : libgnutls.so.11 : cannot open shared object file: input/ouput error
[04:59] <IIIEars> it was a copy of the five thousand dollar Unix OS made by Sun.
[04:59] <cmss29> elcu, pointing a clicking is a challenge for them
[05:00] <micon> :-\
[05:00] <micon> why must linux hate me..
[05:00] <micon> grrr
[05:00] <elcu> cmss29: i meant just set it manually in networking rather than auto-detecting
[05:00] <IIIEars> linux is still in infancy.
[05:00] <cmss29> elcu, can you help me do it?
[05:00] <notig> is it possible to play isketch with linux ???? isketch = shockwave internet game .......
[05:00] <micon> yeah..well it hates me...because i cant even install ubuntu correctly
[05:00] <micon> :-X
[05:00] <tritium> IIIEars, ?
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: system->admin->networking
[05:01] <tizzy> can anyone help with a small problem????
[05:01] <sir-gold> notig, you need the flash plugin for linux
[05:01] <IIIEars> Why would anyone use windows if there were a good free alternative? - grin
[05:01] <tritium> micon, what's going on?
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: then wait a while until you can right click on the modem connection
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: then select properties
[05:01] <elcu> cmss29: check "This device is configured"
[05:02] <cmss29> elcu, hang on.  I have to chat elsewhere for a few mins
[05:02] <mindspore> where does the apache2 executable get installed by default?
[05:02] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is pretty close to windows 3.1 in functions. - in security it's a homerun.
[05:02] <elcu> IIIEars: they've been brainwashed
[05:02] <tritium> mindspore, dpkg -L <packagename> to list the files in the package.  You can find it that way.
[05:03] <tizzy> is there an ubuntu developer channel???
[05:03] <tritium> tizzy, yes, but this is the proper channel for questions
[05:03] <mindspore> thank tritium
[05:03] <tritium> np
[05:04] <osity> when i try to dpkg -reconfigure  linux-image it says the package is not installed and no info available
[05:04] <osity> anyone know why?
[05:04] <sir-gold> linux-image isn't the full name
[05:04] <tritium> ^^^
[05:04] <osity> ya i put the full name...
[05:04] <osity> and got the same
[05:04] <sir-gold> and there is nothing to configure anyway
[05:05] <tritium> osity, if you didn't have a linux-image package installed, you'd have no kernel
[05:05] <m3jsh> guys, i'm an idiot, i uninstalled xlibmesa-gl and it effectively uninstalled gksudo and stuff and i can't access synaptic and that's not cool :-/
[05:05] <m3jsh> any ideas?
[05:05] <jamesio> quick question: on a 160gig+ drive, would you suggest ext3 or reiserfs for the filesystem?
[05:05] <sir-gold> osity if you want to modify the kernel you have to get the source and recompile it
[05:05] <Nalioth> m3jsh, the terminal is your friend
[05:05] <tizzy> tritium: are there any known problems using /dev/dsp as i've got loads of apps which dont work (xmms, gnusound, sweep etc)
[05:05] <osity> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[05:06] <osity> linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 is the name of the pacakge....
[05:06] <m3jsh> Nalioth: what do you presume I do. I reinstalled xlibmesa-gl, i didn't mention that, but gksudo has not returned
[05:06] <sir-gold> osity: why are you trying to do a reconfigure on it?
[05:06] <osity> for raid 1
[05:06] <elcu> m3jsh: uh, i think it's gksu
[05:07] <tritium> tizzy, are you running esd?  I think you've not configured the output of xmms, for example, to use esd
[05:07] <osity> it says to do it in a how to
[05:07] <sir-gold> osity what is the link to the howto?
[05:07] <Nalioth> m3jsh, "sudo apt-get install gksudo"
[05:07] <tritium> osity, why are you running dpkg-reconfigure on a linux-image anyway?
[05:07] <osity> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingToRAID1/
[05:07] <Nalioth> elcu, its the long form of command
[05:08] <Nalioth> elcu, there is gksu and gksudo both
[05:08] <m3jsh> Nalioth and elcu: thank you
[05:08] <jeavis> how I can turn on my laptop fan
[05:08] <Nalioth> elcu ubuntu doesnt use "su" so does not include gksu
[05:08] <sir-gold> osity are you using warty, or the new hoary cd?
[05:08] <osity> hoary
[05:08] <Nalioth> aksu
[05:08] <osity> is hoary all setup?
[05:08] <tritium> osity, try using linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:08] <sir-gold> ah, those instructions are for warty
[05:08] <osity> oh
[05:09] <osity> so there is no update to this howto?
[05:09] <tizzy> tritium: dunno, the gui sound effects work fine, so does totem movie player and rythmbox but everything else i've installed either hangs or doesn't work :(
[05:09] <g14>  Does anyone know how to find the device (/dev/xxx) name of a recognized pci modem?
[05:09] <elcu> Nalioth: righto.  i tried to remove xlibmesa-gl via synaptic (cancelling of course) and it listed gksu but not gksudo
[05:09] <jeavis> how I can turn on my laptop fan