[20:12] <vlm> is snaps also in xubuntu?
[20:13] <gnrp> yep
[20:14] <krytarik> That is, you can install some, but none are by default.
[20:15] <vlm> ah so non components in desktop or so depend on it?
[20:15] <krytarik> Yeah.
[20:15] <vlm> nice!
[20:23] <diogenes_> it might in the future.
[20:24] <vlm> im ok with that though ill change again then -_-
[20:29] <krytarik> vlm: I don't think that statement had any solid fundament though.
[22:02] <ball> On computers with ADM Cool-n-Quiet, does Xubuntu slow the CPU clock under light loads? Only asking because I seem to be running around 900 MHz
[22:02] <ball> AMD*
[22:47] <Txu-irc21w> I am trying to set up a Linux home server. As far as I can tell, XUbuntu is a good choice for my needs. The question I have is that the install ISO ends in AMD64.iso. I assume this is for AMD processors, but I have an intel processor. Looking at the help on XUbuntu it tells me it is compatible with Intel. SO, although the install ISO states AMD, it
[22:47] <Txu-irc21w> will recognize an intel processor as well?
[22:49] <ball> The Intel processors run an AMD instruction set
[22:49] <ball> (or subset thereof)
[22:49] <ball> The code works on either.
[22:49] <Txu-irc21w> perfect! OK let the fun begin :-)  Thank for the answer
[22:50] <ball> You're welcome.  Good luck!
[22:50] <ball> I have to go but this is a great channel for answers.
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Txu-irc21w: It is that AMD holds the patent rights so they get to name it :D
[23:07] <tomreyn> Txu-irc21w: normally, (also home) servers you would want to run headless. if that's the case here, you should prefer to install ubuntu-server


[04:35] <fbaumanis> Good morning!
 @fbaumanis, Morning!
[04:43] <fbaumanis> I just wanted to ask how i can join the Lubuntu QA team. I already joined the Lubuntu-QA group in Launchpad (waiting for approval). Should i contact an admin as well?


[12:54] <Ziroda1> @schedule Singapore
[12:54] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 22 Nov 22:00: Desktop Team Development | 23 Nov 20:00: MOTU meeting | 29 Nov 22:00: Desktop Team Development


[10:47] <bluesabre> morning folks
[10:48] <elfy> hey bluesabre
[10:48] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[10:49] <ochosi> ey bluesabre
[10:49] <bluesabre> heya ochosi
[10:49] <bluesabre> everybody lurking, nobody talking :)
[10:49] <elfy> :)
[10:49] <ochosi> actually i just returned from lunch
[10:49] <ochosi> and i have a lot of work atm
[10:50] <elfy> blimey ochosi - a 24 hour lunch - my type of meal
[10:50] <ochosi> :D
[10:51] <bluesabre> I think he said he was on a diet recently, so he's probably just grazing out in the yard
[10:52] <elfy> lol
[11:01]  * bluesabre releases menulibre 2.0.5 https://launchpad.net/menulibre/2.0/2.0.5
[11:28] <ochosi> nice, congrats bluesabre
[11:29] <bluesabre> eh, not really, just fixes another bug our users are so good at finding
[11:31] <bluesabre> also, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2014-August/001107.html
[11:31] <bluesabre> so if any updates come to debian in the next few days that you want in utopic, let me know so I can sync them
[11:34] <bluesabre> ochosi: with feature freeze 2 weeks away, any chance of light-locker+1 landing in time?
[11:39] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: well i guess we can try to push the dev release until then
[18:12] <McLovin> hello, sorry I keep missing everything in here, like the meetings, but the time differential from me to you guys is a big one


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[08:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:34] <al3x76> hi
[08:57] <IrcsomeBot1> NewUser3671152667 was added by: NewUser3671152667
[09:07] <mobijubo> G'morning people
[09:08] <mobijubo> I noticed that an encrypted home-directory cannot be mounted in an another Kubuntu, even as I created the user with the same password. Any way around this?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 Good morning
[17:18] <pragomer> hi. is there a defineable shortcut to show/hide the plasma panel? I do not mean the panels autohide function itself.. but an explicit shortcut ?
[23:59] <lilith_> whois DalakSec


[06:33] <mup> PR snapd#12780 opened: boot: make sure we update assets for the system-seed-null role <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12780>
[07:23] <mup> PR snapd#12781 opened: go.mod: use shim sbat workaround branch <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12781>
[07:28] <mup> PR snapd#12781 closed: go.mod: use shim sbat workaround branch <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <Closed by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12781>
[07:33] <mup> PR snapd#12782 opened: go.mod: update github.com/snapcore/secboot to latest uc22 <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12782>
[07:58] <mup> PR snapd#12783 opened: gadget: warn instead of returning error if overlapping with GPT header <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12783>
[09:09] <mup> PR snapd#12784 opened: seed/seedwriter: produce validation-sets in the manifest <Simple 😃> <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12784>
[10:24] <mup> PR snapd#12785 opened: overlord,wrappers: restart always enabled units <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12785>
[12:04] <mup> PR core20#146 opened: Use old ubuntu-image since the new one is broken for older distros <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/146>
[12:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#4116 opened: plugins: kernel: remove use of deprecated config.common.ports config <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4116>
[13:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#4117 opened: kernel plugin: call deb rules clean <Created by kubiko> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4117>
[14:41] <mup> PR snapd#12786 opened: cmd/snap-seccomp/syscalls: update seccomp system call list <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12786>
[14:54] <mup> PR core20#145 closed: Use release instead of daily image since it was removed <Created by valentindavid> <Closed by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/145>
[17:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#4116 closed: plugins: kernel: remove use of deprecated config.common.ports config <Created by kubiko> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4116>
[20:10] <mup> PR snapcraft#4118 opened: init: use core22 base for `snapcraft init` <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4118>
[20:45] <mup> PR snapcraft#4119 opened: (do not merge): appveyor troubleshooting <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4119>
[21:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#4115 closed: lint: lint snap files inside an instance <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4115>
[21:40] <mup> PR snapcraft#4119 closed: (do not merge): appveyor troubleshooting <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4119>


[01:06] <magedragon25> slangasek: are you available? I have about 10 min and I have my pc in tty1 with ps aux | less running, if you want to take time....
[01:08] <slangasek> magedragon25: hi - please run 'grep gdm /var/log/auth.log'
[01:08] <magedragon25> ok
[01:09] <slangasek> and if you have a way to copy-paste the output, that's best - if you have the network up on the laptop, you could install the 'pastebinit' package for this
[01:09] <magedragon25> slangasek: piped it to less
[01:10] <magedragon25> no network access for my personal pc here at school
[01:10] <slangasek> ok
[01:10] <slangasek> can you visually compare it with the output in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/516520/comments/37 ?
[01:12] <magedragon25> I did find a process winbindd running in the ps aux command......
[01:12] <slangasek> ok
[01:12] <magedragon25> my output is different...I have a lot of no x11 mode
[01:13] <slangasek> please try running (as root) the command 'pam-auth-update', and unselect 'Winbind NT/Active Directory authentication'
[01:20] <bgamari> How is python supposed to find packages in /usr/share/pyshared?
[01:20] <bgamari> Currently apport is failing on my lucid box due to being unable to find lazr
[01:21] <bgamari> Is /usr/share/pyshared supposed to be in PYTHONPATH directly?
[01:22] <bgamari> or is there a missing symlink somewhere?
[02:36] <magedragon25> slangasek: if you are still available, sorry we had a system crash.....I didn't get the last command you wnated me to run
[02:36] <slangasek> magedragon25: hi, the command is 'pam-auth-update' run as root
[02:37] <slangasek> then unselect 'Winbind NT/Active Directory authentication'
[02:38] <magedragon25> ok, done
[02:39] <slangasek> magedragon25: now see if you can log in
[02:39] <magedragon25> nope...already tried it....unless I should restart my pc
[02:39] <slangasek> shouldn't need to restart, no
[02:39] <slangasek> ok, so it's not winbind :/
[02:40] <slangasek> my other guess is gnome-keyring
[02:40] <magedragon25> is there a way to check installed packages from the cli?
[02:40] <slangasek> can you run the command again, and scroll until you find "GNOME Keyring Daemon - Login keyring management", and unselect that one as well?
[02:41] <slangasek> check installed packages> either 'dpkg -l' or 'apt-cache policy <packagename>'
[02:41] <magedragon25> the keyring option didn't work either
[02:43] <magedragon25> what is the package name for the desktop? is it ubuntu-desktop? or gnome-desktop?
[02:44] <slangasek> there's an ubuntu-desktop package
[02:45] <magedragon25> class is over, and I will be on my way home here shortly, I am going to figure out how to connect to my wireless through cli and reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package...and see fi that might help
[03:24] <mathiaz> slangasek: hi!
[03:24] <slangasek> mathiaz: hello
[03:25] <mathiaz> slangasek: I'm about to finish testing a new mysql-dfsg-5.1 package
[03:25] <mathiaz> slangasek: with some upgrade fixes
[03:25] <mathiaz> slangasek: I'd like to get it included in beta2
[03:25] <slangasek> mathiaz: sure - please upload when it's ready
[03:25] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok - thanks
[03:26] <micahg> slangasek: do you know when you plan on freezing the archive for beta 2?
[03:26] <mathiaz> micahg: -10 minutes
[03:26] <slangasek> micahg: already done, per the /topic change
[03:26] <slangasek> :-)
[03:26]  * micahg miss
[03:26] <micahg> orry
[03:28] <micahg> slangasek: same process as beta 1 for exceptions?
[03:29] <slangasek> yes
[03:29] <micahg> ok, I'll try to get them done before the weekend this time :)
[03:36] <ScottK> Looks like I got the first upload NOT to make the cutoff.
[03:37] <wgrant> ScottK: Tried the new queue with package sets yet?
[03:37] <ScottK> slangasek: The pending kdebase-workspace upload fixes a FTBFS so we get three important bug fixes (from the previous upload) into Beta 2.
[03:37] <ScottK> wgrant: I just now loaded the page for the first time since it's there.  Very nice.  Thank you.
[03:45] <lamont> pitti: fyi, gnome-session et al work much better when actually installed.  no  needs here. kthx
[04:03] <kirkland> bdrung_: pong
[04:03] <kirkland> bdrung_: please please please forward that qemu-kvm patch upstream, to the qemu mailing list
[04:05] <slangasek> mathiaz: alas, your upload fuzzies all of the translations of this debconf template.  Given that it's a literal package name, could you search and replace on the .po files from before this change, and rebuild?
[04:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok
[04:06] <slangasek> mathiaz: thanks - I'll wait for that upload to save us a little build time
[04:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: yeah - takes a few hours to build mysql
[04:08] <mathiaz> slangasek: sed -i -e 's/mysql-cluster/mysql-cluster-server/g' debian/po/*po
[04:08] <mathiaz> slangasek: ^^ that's enough?
[04:09] <slangasek> mathiaz: if there's only one string that says mysql-cluster in it, that should do the job, yes
[04:10] <mathiaz> slangasek: yes - there is only one string that refers to mysql-cluster
[04:16] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks (for getting kdebase-workspace right in the build queue)
[04:17] <slangasek> sure thing
[04:18] <mathiaz> slangasek: hm - well - that sucks. Seems that I've lost access to my build server
[04:18] <mathiaz> slangasek: so I can't finish up the mysql-dfsg-5.1 upload
[04:18] <slangasek> mathiaz: ah; let me do it on this end then
[04:21] <ScottK> Figures.  Now clamav 0.96 goes final.
[04:45] <lamont> wtf does xchat now think it should always be on the visible workspace?  and how do I correct that?
[04:45] <lamont> ah, of course, one doesn't select the selected item to toggle it, one selects another item from the menu
[05:07] <helix> hi, does anyone know if polipo is actively maintained by anyone in ubuntu?
[05:08] <helix> I am taking over the debian package, but I also work on tor stuff and we have our own debian repository where we provide tor and vidalia packages. I am thinking of just providing the polipo debs for ubuntu there as well but I think it would be better to coordinate with the ubuntu maintainer, if one exists. (I only see Ubuntu MOTU Developers on http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/polipo)
[05:09] <ScottK> helix: It doesn't look like it from the history.  Someone cared enough at one point to do a security update for it.
[05:09] <ScottK> Let me see who.
[05:09] <helix> it is the debian changelog
[05:09] <slangasek> ScottK, Riddell: hum; did the kdebase-workspace 4.4.2 upload drop tseliot's plymouth integration patches?
[05:09] <helix> I don't think any ubuntu changes have been applied
[05:09] <ScottK> slangasek: Shouldn't have.
[05:09] <slangasek> ScottK: debdiff indicates it did - unless the patches were upstreamed
[05:10] <RoAkSoAx> lamont, ping
[05:10] <slangasek> ScottK: perhaps a midair collision as I suppose tseliot doesn't have ~kubuntu-members commit access
[05:11] <ScottK> slangasek: No, he doesn't.
[05:14] <ScottK> slangasek: Looks like that's exactly what happened.
[05:14] <ScottK> Urgh.
[05:14]  * slangasek nods :/
[05:14] <slangasek> I've reopened the bug
[05:14] <wgrant> RoAkSoAx: I believe he's asleep.
[05:15] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, i think i just missed him then
[05:15] <wgrant> RoAkSoAx: Yeah, he's not been gone long.
[05:15] <ScottK> helix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/polipo/+bug/533578 <- The filer of the bug is an Ubuntu person who seems to be interested in packaging updates.
[05:16] <slangasek> helix: so given that polipo has a Debian version in all current releases, I'd say it's not maintained in Ubuntu - if there's anyone in Ubuntu interested in the package, they've been working directly in Debian
[05:16] <ScottK> Not sure  how interested.
[05:16] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, well I guess I'll have to ping him tomorrow
[05:16] <wgrant> RoAkSoAx: What do you need?
[05:17] <helix> weird, who are the ubuntu people in this bug? I don't think they have done anything on the debian package
[05:17] <helix> but that looks good anyway, it means there are other people who are interested
[05:17] <helix> which means I don't have to maintain a bunch of ubuntu versions
[05:17] <helix> excellent
[05:17] <ScottK> helix: mdesleurs is on the Ubuntu Security team.
[05:17] <slangasek> helix: mdeslaur is on the Ubuntu security team; I don't think this is an expression of personal interest in the package on his part
[05:17] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, well i just wanted him to push the apport hook for bind9, since I;ve been told he usually likes to keep it in sync with debian
[05:18] <helix> oh
[05:18] <helix> mmf
[05:18] <helix> who is the other guy?
[05:18] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[05:18] <ScottK> I've seen him around a bit, but don't know him.
[05:18] <RoAkSoAx> wgrant, so instead of just pushing it for ubuntu, he could push it for both
[05:19] <helix> basically I would prefer that tor not maintain a bunch of ubuntu debs for this, since it appears to mostly be sync'd from debian, but ...
[05:19] <ScottK> slangasek: Good catch on the plymouth patches.
[05:19] <helix> should I just upload to ubuntu too?
[05:19] <helix> or what is the best approach for this if I want ubuntu users to have current debs
[05:20] <ScottK> slangasek: Is it important this get fixed tonight?  It's late here and I'm tired.
[05:20] <ScottK> helix: It's very late for me, I'd be glad to discuss that with you a bit later.
[05:21] <helix> okay
[05:21] <slangasek> ScottK: no, it can wait
[05:21] <ScottK> Excellent.  I'm going to bed.
[05:21] <slangasek> ScottK: it does need to get fixed again before I can poke the plymouth side to play nice with it, fwiw
[05:21] <ScottK> Yeah, I'll fix it or get it fixed tomorrow.
[05:35] <magedragon25> for those that are paying attention....I finally fixed my problem with not being able to log into gnome.....no more loops
[05:37] <slangasek> magedragon25: how did you fix it?
[05:38] <magedragon25> I finally got reconnected back to the net, and ran apt-get update, and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop
[05:39] <magedragon25> I am running update again....and I think the first time I ran it, it uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and I didn't notice it....
[05:39] <slangasek> ok
[05:40] <slangasek> you'll want to make sure you re-enable the gnome keyring option that you disabled earlier with pam-auth-update, btw
[05:40] <magedragon25> it's wanting to uninstall ubuntu-desktop again...not sure why tho
[05:40] <slangasek> hmm
[05:40] <magedragon25> I already did that, thanks
[05:44] <magedragon25> it uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and update-notifier, now it won't let me reinstall either one. It gives me an error about needing update-notifier-common ver 0.99 and 0.99.1 is installed
[05:45] <slangasek> you're running amd64, I guess
[05:45] <magedragon25> yes
[05:46] <slangasek> yeah, it's not safe to do a dist-upgrade on amd64 right now, there are too many out-of-date packages there; according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/0.99.1/+build/1595582, it'll be another 12h before it makes it through the backlog
[05:46] <slangasek> you can manually grab update-notifier-common 0.99 from the archive and reinstall it
[05:47] <magedragon25> oh...i upgraded to lucid almost a week ago
[05:48] <slangasek> the latest removal of update-notifier from your system is due to version skew from just today
[05:49] <slangasek> whichever tool you used to do the upgrade (update-manager, synaptics, apt-get, etc) did so in a mode that said it was ok to remove packages... that's what I mean by "dist-upgrade"
[05:49] <magedragon25> oh..duh
[05:59] <Caesar> slangasek: can you approve the FFe for tar (bug 539814) please?
[06:00] <ccheney> slangasek: wanted to give you warning of a (hopefully) soon OOo upload, just waiting on oracle approval of the new images
[06:01]  * ccheney noticed on the blog about hard freeze for beta 2 today and didn't hear back from oracle yet, probably will on thursday
[06:03] <ScottK> slangasek: kdebase-workspace is up for your review/accpetance (couldn't sleep, so decided to be productive).
[06:29] <slangasek> ccheney: since there are some massive security builds clogging the queue right now, we seem to have a day or so backlog already - is this upload going to address bug #546797 along the way?
[06:30] <slangasek> ScottK: ok, will look in a bit, thanks
[06:32] <slangasek> Caesar: working on it
[06:39] <ccheney> slangasek: yes
[06:39]  * ccheney headed off to bed now, bbl
[06:45] <slangasek> Caesar: do you know what the effect is of changing the SIGPIPE handler?
[07:18] <pitti> Good morning
[07:19] <pitti> lamont: glad to hear that things are back
[07:39] <\sh> moins
[08:39] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <mvo> dpm: I have a a11y bugfix for software-center that adds some strings. what would you recommend at this point of the freeze, merge it for the benefit of people with e.g. orca? leave the strings out and merge the rest?
[09:02] <dpm> mvo, what are the strings? Is there a bug I can read somewhere to have some more context? Without knowing much more about it, I'd say if the feature is an a11y one and it needs new strings to be useful, it's probably important enough to just add the new strings (and communicate it to translators, of course)
[09:04] <mvo> dpm: bug number is bug #526384
[09:05] <mvo> dpm: I added the strings that are added
[09:05] <mvo> dpm: I'm not 100% positive how to move forward, there are other a11y area where s-c is not doing great, but every bit helps so I'm inclined to merge it
[09:07] <dpm> mvo, yeah, I also think it makes sense.
[09:45] <pitti> cjwatson: do you know whether http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt says auctex pulls in emacs22? AFAICS it depends on emacs23 | emacs22 | ..., and 23 is in main
[09:45] <pitti> (auctex is arch: all, so not an architecture specific thing either)
[09:46]  * pitti goes to clean some NBS
[10:18] <MacSlow> seb128, I've a updated branch for fixing LP: #546650 so it (hide on mouse-over) works again for the non-composited case... still have to do a test for older gtk+ (and karmic)
[10:19] <MacSlow> seb128, once that turns out good I'll ping you... will move to the rhythmbox-cover-art bug then
[10:19] <MacSlow> seb128, if all goes well I'll be able to roll a new notify-osd tarball too later today
[10:19] <seb128> MacSlow, ok thanks
[10:24] <bdrung_> pitti: the rebuild of abraca will fail
[10:27] <cjwatson> pitti: s/whether/why/?  I'll have to look a little later anyway - my server is in go-slow mode and it's making it hell to get anything networky done
[10:27] <pitti> cjwatson: "why", yes
[10:27] <pitti> cjwatson: ok, thanks; it seems to act a little strange anyway -- it wants vala because of vala, and nothing else
[10:28] <pitti> cjwatson: for sure, vala is nice, but I didn't know that c-m was so personally attached to it :)
[10:36] <directhex> has there been any commitment from AMD to release an FGLRX which works with Lucid before release?
[10:43] <pitti> directhex: like the one that was uploaded last week? :-)
[10:44] <directhex> pitti, really? i hadn't noticed that!
[10:44] <directhex> pitti, i'm in the market for a new gpu, but am busy worrying over ubuntu
[11:30] <tjaalton> pitti: I've merged mesa 7.7.1 which is a stable release of the branch we've been tracking until now. ok to upload?
[11:31] <pitti> tjaalton: you can upload, it'll be in unapproved (possibly until after beta-2)
[11:32] <tjaalton> pitti: oh, tseliot was waiting for it, though that change could then be uploaded separately (to fix ia32-libs, bug 248392)
[11:33] <tseliot> tjaalton, pitti: it's ok, I can wait
[11:33] <tjaalton> tseliot: ok
[11:38] <cjwatson> pitti: it totally is architecture-specific :) the problem is that emacs23 hasn't built on ia64
[11:38] <cjwatson> (auctex)
[11:40] <cjwatson> pitti: vala> component-mismatches has got confused about the reasons because somebody already put the valac binary in main, but without its source
[11:40] <cjwatson> libdbusmenu Build-Depends: valac
[11:41] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks; I'll sort that out
[12:05] <lamont> RoAkSoAx: sup?  Just asking tends to work better than pinging
[12:06] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: can you update http://www.roaksoax.com/2010/03/data-loss-after-update/comment-page-1 ? did you get your data back?
[12:36] <tjaalton> pitti: x-x-i-synaptics conf doesn't match /dev/input/event*, generating errors in the log when it tries to init /dev/input/mouse* etc, ok to upload?
[12:37] <tjaalton> pitti: also, xorg merge which adds only support for Xreset/Xreset.d for scripts to run after a logout
[12:37] <tjaalton> though it needs *dm support
[12:37] <tjaalton> ..too
[12:51] <bdrung_> can someone unsubscribe u-u-s from bug #553055?
[12:51] <bdrung_> dholbach: ^
[12:53] <pitti> tjaalton: synaptics> sounds fine
[12:53] <pitti> tjaalton: in general, you can upload stuff; we'll review it from unapproved and accept it for beta or keep it there until after beta
[12:55] <jpds> lamont: < RoAkSoAx> well i just wanted him to push the apport hook for bind9, since I;ve been told he usually likes to keep it in sync with debian
[12:56] <lamont> yeah.  I guess that means apport hooks snuck into ubuntu,eh?
[13:04] <pitti> tjaalton: why does x-x-i-synaptics now ship both an udev rule and a conf.d snippet?
[13:04] <pitti> tjaalton: (smae vor vmmouse and wacom)
[13:05] <pitti> tjaalton: wouldn't that lead to input devices being recognized twice? or is xorg clever enough to identify them?
[13:08] <tjaalton> pitti: udev rules are needed when setting ID_INPUT.tags, and that's used for platform specific quirks here
[13:09] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, thanks
[13:09] <tjaalton> vmmouse needs it to recognize the platform, and wacom to set ID_INPUT for serial devices
[13:10] <tjaalton> and the name, which wacom.conf then matches against
[13:10] <pitti> right, xorg.conf.d wouldn't be able to do callouts
[13:11] <tjaalton> yep
[13:37] <nigelb> can the other tasks in this bug report be closed? bug 429443
[13:51] <Keybuk> ok, I've been online for a couple of minutes and nobody's pounced on me
[13:51] <Keybuk> and the only e-mails I have after "Hot Sale, some-mailing-list-owner! 77% off on top goods"
[13:52] <Keybuk> I guess I didn't break the world
[13:52] <Keybuk> or broke it so badly nobody can get on IRC
[13:53] <ttx> Keybuk: I can hear you, if that's of any comfort.
[13:55]  * ttx admits not having updated to "OMG Freeze is tomorrow let's upload everything" archive state yet
[14:01] <qense> I have an old bug report that complains that the apt-pkg API in Ubuntu differs from Debian. It is at least a few years old. Is this bug still true?
[14:06] <free> mvo: hey, I'm having a problem upgrading from hardy to lucid (a bare kvm with debootstrap package + ubuntu-desktop) https://pastebin.canonical.com/29974/
[14:07] <free> mvo: any clue why?
[14:07] <nigelb> Keybuk, oh, you want someone to pounce? :D
[14:08] <Keybuk> only if they're cute
[14:09] <nigelb> lol, I'm looking for a bunch of people to work with me.  trying to get number bugs i review down to less than 150
[14:10] <Keybuk> once I've got the number of bugs I have to review down below 3,000, I'll let you know <g>
[14:10] <nigelb> :O
[14:11] <nigelb> its now 225, only a matter of 75 bugs :) but getting debdiff ready and testing is the hard part
[14:32] <Keybuk> Riddell: you'll need to update the Kubuntu Plymouth theme to depend on plymouth-label I expect
[14:32] <Riddell> nixternal: ^^
[14:33] <Keybuk> is just a debian/control change
[14:35] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^^
[14:36] <dholbach> nixternal: ^^^^
[14:36] <nigelb> lol :D, nixternal ^^
[14:39] <mvo> free: checking
[15:05] <free> mvo: thanks
[15:06] <mvo> free: could you mail me the logs in /var/log/dist-ugprade/* and the /var/lib/dpkg/status file?
[15:06] <mvo> please
[15:08] <free> mvo: sure
[15:12] <free> mvo: http://people.64studio.com/~free/hardy-to-lucid-logs.tar.gz
[15:17] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, Heya, No I haven
[15:17] <mvo> free: works for me, maybe your mirror is a bit behind? there is some churn in the archive currently and it may just be not consistent (churn because of a new gnome)
[15:18] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, Heya, No I haven't recovered my data... it was weird cause in my trash fooldersers like with <deleted>.1 <deleted>.2.2 <deleted>.2.3 started to appear but after that... nothing that will indicated a bug and it is not reproducible
[15:18] <RoAkSoAx> i filed one though
[15:19] <free> mvo: yeah, it could be
[15:19] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: that's weird
[15:19] <dholbach> RoAkSoAx: I hoped it was just that cdbs/nautilus bug
[15:19] <free> mvo: shall I try with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ?
[15:20] <RoAkSoAx> dholbach, it is indeed.... I thought it was too but it ended up being something else... but as long as I cant reproduced I guess we'll never know
[15:20] <mvo> free: yes, I think that makes sense, I run it now too and see whats going on, but it may just be a bad day today
[15:21] <free> mvo: okay, thanks for looking
[15:23] <mvo> free: the auot-upgraer-tester is now s running, I let you know
[15:24] <RoAkSoAx> lamont, bug #533601
[15:27] <free> mvo: fine, fwiw I just re-tried against the official Ubuntu mirror, same problem
[15:30] <pitti> kees: will the next linux kernel update fix this sign error? (http://www.kernel.org/)
[15:32] <cjwatson> haha
[15:34] <dholbach> pitti: ¡⅁OOϴ ʞ⊥⅁ ZI
[15:34] <pitti> but xkcd.com is just brilliant
[15:36] <pitti> dholbach: ʎןǝʇıuıɟǝp
[15:36] <pitti> ʇı xıɟ oʇ spǝǝu uosןnoɔsıɹɥɔ - ƃnq xoɟǝɹıɟ ɐ 'ɹǝɥʇɐɹ 'ɹo
[15:36]  * dholbach sɓnɥ ı̣ʇʇı̣d
[15:37]  * pitti ʞɔɐq noʎ sƃnɥ
[15:37]  * dholbach sʎoſ̣uǝ ǝɟı̣Ʈ ɹǝpun-uʍop
[15:37] <james_w> stop it! you're adjusting my brain to that text, I won't be able to read normal text for the rest of the day
[15:38] <pitti>  {¿ʎɐs ǝɥ pıp ʇɐɥʍ } o o ˙
[15:38] <dholbach> ;-)
[15:38]  * dholbach shuts up
[15:38]  * fagan thought it was empathy's fault
[15:41] <nigelb> dholbach, how did you do that?
[15:43] <dholbach> nigelb: http://www.xs4all.nl/~johnpc/uniud/uniud.html
[15:43] <MacSlow> seb128, pitti, kenvandine: LP #546650 is fixed in lp:notify-osd/lucid you can either grab commit rev421 as a distro-patch or wait for the tarball of notify-osd 0.9.28 I'm about to roll.
[15:43] <MacSlow> seb128, pitti, kenvandine: whatever you prefer
[15:43] <seb128> MacSlow, did you fix the rhythmbox issue?
[15:44] <pitti> MacSlow: thanks! we can just as well wait for the tarball; buildds are clogged anyway
[15:44] <MacSlow> seb128, I looked into it and could not reproduce it... it's working perfect for me.
[15:44] <seb128> MacSlow, oh come on
[15:44] <seb128> MacSlow, just switch track between something having a cover and something not
[15:44] <MacSlow> seb128, honestly... I tried the whole afternoon... never skipped/dropped a cover-art if one was defined
[15:44] <seb128> MacSlow, the issue is when none is defined
[15:45] <seb128> MacSlow, it still displays the previous one
[15:45] <seb128> try playing a song with a cover
[15:45] <seb128> do next
[15:45] <mvo> free: hm, I can not reproduce it here in a chroot. how odd. I will try harder
[15:45] <seb128> with the next song having no cover
[15:45] <seb128> and you will get the bubble with the cover from the previous song displayed still
[15:49] <free> mvo: could it be the particular set of packages installed on this vm?
[15:49] <free> mvo: it's bare-bones hardy KVM image + landscape-client + ubuntu-desktop
[15:52] <mvo> free: yes, that is very likely, I give it another try
[15:54] <free> mvo: the landscape-client hardy package is the non official one from "deb http://landscape.canonical.com/packages/hardy/ ./", however the same problem happens if I remove it entirely, so maybe the issue is in one of its dependencies
[15:55] <mvo> free: the logs say its having issues with libcamel1.2-14 and evolution. but I can not see right now what the problem is
[15:55] <free> mvo: I see
[15:56] <mvo> free: its odd, I use your status file, so it should give me the same error
[15:56] <mvo> free: hold on a sec, I try something else
[15:58]  * cody-somerville wonders why update-manager wants to remove update-notifier.
[15:59] <mvo> cody-somerville: I bet a mismatch between -common and update-notiifer. some buildd lacking behind
[15:59]  * cody-somerville nods.
[16:02] <nigelb> kirkland, can I close the other tasks in bug 429443?
[16:38] <ttx> slangasek: about bug 546874 -- should we target it to Lucid ? Do you plan to work on it or should someone else be assigned to it ?
[16:39] <slangasek> ttx: yes, please target it and assign mee
[16:39] <ttx> slangasek: do you want it milestoned as well ?
[16:39] <slangasek> I don't think I'll get to it for beta2
[16:39] <ttx> ok
[16:40] <slangasek> hmm, I missed the pam-auth-update call in the postinst too? :/
[16:40] <slangasek> /that/ part I can fix
[16:40] <ttx> slangasek: I couldn't see one, and when I reproduced the issue, installing winbind wouldn't update pam.d :)
[16:40] <slangasek> yah, sorry
[16:41]  * ttx would like to get rid of the wine -> winbind connection and let winbind in its niche market of skilled admins
[16:41] <ttx> at least we would get polite bugs.
[16:42]  * slangasek stares
[16:42] <slangasek> yes, I think that should be considered a bug
[16:42] <slangasek> I had no idea wine1.2 was pulling in winbind
[16:42] <ttx> slangasek: that's the reason there are so many bugs against it
[16:43]  * ScottK looks at YokoZar.
[16:43] <ttx> slangasek: most people that run it don't care about it... however it appears to be needed by wine
[16:43] <slangasek> ttx: I think that's clearly a wrong recommends and should be changed
[16:44] <slangasek> I suspect it's there for nss_wins
[16:44] <ttx> I remember talking to YokoZar about it in Barcelona... He confirmed he needed it
[16:44] <zul> ditto
[16:44] <ttx> but maybe some hackish package split would get what he needs without pulling the full monty in
[16:45] <slangasek> ah, it's for ntlm_auth
[16:45] <ttx> ah, that rings a bell, yes
[16:48] <ccheney> slangasek: can you tell if xulrunner-dev got kicked out of main intentionally when it moved between source packages?
[16:48] <zyga> sc
[16:49] <zyga> hmm, focus stealing failed again
[16:49] <slangasek> ccheney: I don't know who demoted it; it doesn't happen automatically, and shouldn't have happened if there were still reverse-deps
[16:50] <seb128> wasn't that binary built by 2 sources?
[16:50] <seb128> and the xulrunner-1.9.1 demoted or something
[16:50] <seb128> which might have demoted the wrong binary too
[16:50] <seb128> just guessing
[16:50] <micahg> seb128: that could be it, that problem was fixed today with the <IP_ADDRESS> upload
[16:52] <ccheney> slangasek: ok will ask around some more
[16:53] <jibel> mvo, I pushed a slightly modified version of xapianSearch
[16:54] <slangasek> ttx, ScottK, YokoZar: so I've reviewed the wine code and am convinced that this should be dropped to a Suggests or dropped altogether.  wine doesn't *require* ntlm_auth, it just *uses* it when available - but it doesn't do anything useful *unless you've configured your machine as a domain member*, so there's no point in having wine Recommend it at all
[16:54] <mvo> jibel: nice, I have a look
[16:54] <micahg> ccheney: we got the answer it seems
[16:54] <ccheney> micahg: ok
[16:54] <slangasek> YokoZar: "this" being the Recommends on winbind
[16:54] <jibel> mvo, switched XP prefix to probabilistic, increased the weight of XP terms and lowered the qualitycutoff.
[16:55] <jibel> mvo, results based on software-center test cases http://paste.ubuntu.com/407625/
[16:55] <ScottK> slangasek: Sounds like 'Suggests'.
[16:56] <mvo> jibel: woah, that looks impressive
[16:56] <ttx> slangasek: that would sure cut the number of bugs filed against samba for the next 5 years. I'd estimate 20% of them are about people failing to upgrade winbind that never knew they had it in the first place
[16:56] <ttx> (though that allowed to catch that pam profile issue, tbh :)
[16:57] <slangasek> ScottK: I don't think it's even that; it's not "installing winbind enhances the behavior of wine", it's "if you've already configured your machine as a domain member, wine will integrate with that".  Suggests: winbind here is like like Suggests: NT domain authentication
[16:57] <ScottK> Oh, OK.
[16:57] <ttx> slangasek: yes, the fact that it plays nice with it shouldn't involve a package dep
[17:02] <mvo> jibel: I'm not sure I mentioned this, but another idea I had was to have a set<RPackage*> in addtion to the current vector n the packageview to make the hasPackage() call quicker. the current way is a bit inefficient (not sure how much it matters, I have not measured it)
[17:03] <jcastro> mvo: debian squid guy reminder!
[17:03] <slangasek> a more bizarre string of nouns, I have never seen
[17:03] <mvo> lalalala
[17:09] <jibel> mvo, I quick test of patch attached to 251335 didn't show a lot of improvement but I need to test it harder.
[17:10] <zyga> I just made a _screenshot_ of intel gfx corruption
[17:10] <zyga> cool
[17:10] <zyga> it's nice to finally attach some evidence to this bug
[17:24] <FeasibilityStudy> what does it typically mean when building a package and get this error:
[17:24] <FeasibilityStudy> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/': No such file or directory
[17:29] <geser> that you are either missing a mkdir call (or if using dh_installdirs that "usr/bin is missing in debian/dirs)
[17:31] <FeasibilityStudy> hmm ok
[17:33] <FeasibilityStudy> I thought putting it in my debian/install file would work
[17:34] <nigelb> didrocks, I was thinking of asking the user to close cheese instead of the kill call
[17:35] <didrocks> nigelb: yeah, I'm not very keen on a killall in an apport hook :)
[17:35] <nigelb> me neither.  Only the upstream dev asked if I could do it automatically instead of using a killall
[17:44] <didrocks> nigelb: at least, you should look at the return code :)
[17:47] <pitti> oh sweet, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 shows package sets now
[18:22] <Caesar> cjwatson: thanks!
[18:22] <Caesar> slangasek: I do not
[18:23] <ScottK> pitti: You can thank wgrant for that.
[18:30] <apparle> can anyone help me with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/475466
[18:31] <ScottK> apparle: You might try in #ubuntu-x
[18:32] <bigon> an idea in which package is the gdm theme?
[19:07] <kees> asac: oh, did the about:config fixes and font fixes not make this firefox upload?
[19:07] <cr3> in a kvm guest, is there a way to distinguish a device defined as a disk from another device defined as a cdrom when both are defined using virtio?
[19:08] <cr3> is the type of disk encoded somehow in the device minor number?
[19:10] <nigelb> kees, are you on top of bug 532852?
[19:10] <nigelb> (do you want a debdiff?)
[19:14] <kees> nigelb: sure, that'd be helpful.  it's pretty low priority, so I was going to wait for the beta freeze to clear
[19:14] <nigelb> kees, I'll get the debdiff in a few days, so you can get it in after beta freeze :)  you probably have more important bugs to fix :)
[19:19] <kees> nigelb: cool, thanks!
[19:28] <ccheney> what is the proper source package name to use for release note bugs?
[19:29] <slangasek> ccheney: none, use the ubuntu-release-notes project
[19:29] <ccheney> ah ok
[19:29] <slangasek> doko_: what's the motivation for the dash rebuild-only upload?  It's already built once in lucid, was that done before the toolchain was in?
[19:32] <doko_> slangasek: that's a lame try to rebuild on arm, seeing varies exit 139s from shell scripts on the buildds.
[19:33] <slangasek> doko_: ah
[19:33] <doko_> never could reproduce these locally
[19:44] <Tm_T> I just hate these: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/adare
[20:06] <xnox> Quick go to www.kernel.org it got defaced
[20:07] <slangasek> looks ok to me?
[20:07] <ion> Yeah, it’s just fine.
[20:07] <ScottK> Yeah, not sure what he's talking about.
[20:08] <xnox> It's upside down?
[20:08] <xnox> for me at least
[20:08] <slangasek> may be a problem on your end?
[20:08] <ion> Are you sure it’s not your monitor that’s upside down?
[20:09]  * xnox is uploading screenshot
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> lol
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> there is a button to turn it the right way up again ;)
[20:11]  * xnox looks at the calendar =))))))))))))))
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> yes ;)
[20:11]  * xnox got pwand
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> 1st april
[20:43] <lucas> bdrung: what's the status of the manual-sync script?
[20:57] <bdrung> lucas: i did not work on it.
[20:58] <lucas> ok
[21:00] <bdrung> lucas: i am waiting for ScottK to release his improvements
[21:02] <bdrung> and for soyuz to support syncs
[21:02] <ScottK> bdrung: I'm waiting on pitti to license his original to be distributable.  I can't distribute my update without that.
[21:03] <bdrung> ScottK: i could write that script from pitti from scratch
[21:09] <ScottK> Funny.  Now that I diff it, I have a two line diff.
[21:10] <bdrung> ScottK: two lines?
[21:10] <ScottK> bdrung: http://paste.debian.net/67039/
[21:10] <ScottK> I recalled it being more.
[21:11] <ScottK> It does fix a key issue with some of our .changes files.
[21:11] <ScottK> You'd also want to add some kind of a -n option for syncing a new package.
[21:12] <bdrung> ScottK: yes and to provide a library (for our ack-sync script)
[21:12] <ScottK> OK, so no longer road blocked on me.
[21:13] <bdrung> ScottK: can you have a look at bug #516249?
[21:13] <ScottK> Not right now, no
[21:31] <rickspencer3> mvo, do you want me to do $update-manager -d to test a karmic -> Lucid upgrade on my daughter's 'puter?
[21:35] <mvo> rickspencer3: yeah, go ahead please and mail me the logs afterwards (regardless if it works or fails), both is useful infromatoin
[21:35] <mvo> rickspencer3: I will be offline soonish to hit my bed, but I check mail tomorrow
[21:35] <rickspencer3> mvo, to avoid any doubt, what specific log?
[21:36] <mvo> rickspencer3: there seems to be a bit of a plague currently with it failing to calculate the upgrade, if it shows that, there is no harm, it will revert cleanly and write logs into /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[21:36] <mvo> rickspencer3: /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[21:37] <rickspencer3> mvo will do
[21:37] <mvo> thanks!
[21:37] <rickspencer3> mvo, you are on holiday until Tuesday, right?
[21:37] <rickspencer3> enjoy!!
[21:37] <mvo> yes
[21:38] <mvo> I will :)
[21:43] <seb128> slangasek, hey
[21:44] <slangasek> seb128: hi
[21:44] <seb128> slangasek, I uploaded light-themes twice, could you accept the new one
[21:44] <seb128> or rather make sure you review this one
[21:44] <slangasek> yep - I'll reject the old one now
[21:44] <seb128> thanks
[21:45] <seb128> slangasek, should I try to convince you what to accept still or will you still be open with reasonable changes in the current queue?
[21:45] <seb128> ie things like theme updates
[21:47] <slangasek> seb128: theme updates> of the kind that break the UI freeze?
[21:48] <seb128> slangasek, weeeell, it has been decided to change the wm button order for example
[21:48] <slangasek> I see a lot of icon updates in the queue, and no UIFe trail for these; that's a problem for the docs team
[21:48] <seb128> slangasek, that too
[21:48] <slangasek> seb128: oh, argh
[21:48] <seb128> slangasek, well you guess where the request come from there
[21:49] <seb128> anyway I did sponsor those so I did my job
[21:49] <seb128> I will let you do yours ;-)
[21:51] <ccheney> slangasek: just uploaded openoffice.org 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu3 which resolves the ure warning issue and the splash screen update
[21:51] <kusum> cjwatson: Could you guide me to a wiki of partman-auto-loop
[21:51] <slangasek> ccheney: ok, thanks
[21:51] <Caesar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564
[21:52] <seb128> 564 comments
[21:52] <seb128> crazy
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> i don't even dare to click on the link ;)
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> it will probably take the rest of the evening to open
[21:55] <cjwatson> kusum: there isn't one
[21:56] <highvoltage> seb128: heh, I just posted #571, but in my defence it's the first post on that bug and I've been subscribed since before #100
[21:57] <kusum> can i take lupin's information to be almost similar to it
[21:58] <cjwatson> kusum: err - they're different components
[21:59] <kusum> what exactly does it do ?
[21:59] <kusum> I think i am in a mess here
[21:59] <cjwatson> why not download the source and look at it? :)
[22:00] <cjwatson> Package: partman-auto-loop
[22:00] <cjwatson> Description: Automatically partition using a loop device
[22:00] <kusum> hehe ok
[22:00] <kusum> Thank you
[22:02] <kusum> cjwatson: last question before i run to the code
[22:02] <kusum> partman runs on wubi side or ubuntu side?
[22:03] <cjwatson> kusum: Ubuntu side
[22:32] <rickspencer3> slangasek - do you want someone from the design team to file freeze exceptions and such?
[22:33] <slangasek> rickspencer3: yes, please - and critically, to notify the docs team
[22:33] <rickspencer3> I'll try
[22:53] <kwwii> slangasek: ping?
[22:55] <ccheney> should packages that are in dapper but non-server still say 'supported' on launchpad?
[22:58] <wgrant> ccheney: Launchpad has no idea about support timeframes.
[23:00] <ccheney> wgrant: ah ok
[23:06] <slangasek> kwwii: hi
[23:07] <kwwii> slangasek: see my pm, or I can repost it here
[23:24] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - i've got a beta-2 bug assigned to me for applying the cairo lcd filter patch to firefox to fix the font rendering issue
[23:25] <chrisccoulson> whats the cut-off date for me to get this in?
[23:25] <snow_ru> ok
[23:25] <snow_ru> f
[23:25] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: should be done before the weekend to leave time for building
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - ok, i will get that done tomorrow then
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[23:26] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: thank you!
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> micahg ^^^
[23:26] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: it was mentioned at a previous release meeting that there might be problems with the actual patch available at that time - has this been resolved?
[23:26] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, yeah, thats been resolved thanks to mdeslaur
[23:26] <slangasek> ok, great
[23:27] <chrisccoulson> the patch is working quite nicely :)


[16:55] <stgraber> highvoltage: got time for an alpha-2?
[16:56] <highvoltage> stgraber: yeah I think that's a good idea
[16:56] <highvoltage> I did some testing yesterday with the edubuntu-server scripts, they seem to need some attention
[16:56] <highvoltage> well, cdoing a server-deploy failed, but it's on an image from a few weeks ago that I've just kept upgrading. I should probably do a new installation
[17:02] <stgraber> yeah, they need some attention for sure
[17:02] <stgraber> highvoltage: marked us as participating for a2 on the wiki
[17:02] <highvoltage> cool
[17:03] <stgraber> highvoltage: I'll be around this week, currently at home, flying to London on Saturday, so I should be able to help a bit and fix anything horribly broken
[17:03] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok nice. by chance I kicked off an iso sync a few minutes before you just poked me :)


[02:02] <ronoc> TheMuso, ping
[02:02]  * ronoc changes CD
[02:02] <TheMuso> ronoc: Hey.
[02:03] <ronoc> TheMuso, how's it looking ?
[02:03] <TheMuso> ronoc: Not too bad. I reported that segfault upstream.
[02:03] <ronoc> TheMuso, cool the one i reassigned earlier ?
[02:03] <TheMuso> I could revert the commit that caused the segfault, but the commit was added to the stable queue because it fixed stability woth other software.
[02:03] <TheMuso> ronoc: Yes.
[02:03] <ronoc> nice
[02:04] <TheMuso> I dare say we will have a fix in a couple of days.
[02:04] <ronoc> grand I'll keep an eye
[02:04] <ronoc> all n all it's looking alright
[02:04] <ronoc> was testing jack2
[02:04] <ronoc> performance so so
[02:05] <ronoc> also the pulse interaction was not convincing
[02:05] <ronoc> but maybe I need to look so more
[02:05] <ronoc> s/so/some
[02:05] <ronoc> anyhoo gotta crash
[02:05] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[02:05] <TheMuso> No worries, amazed your up so late.
[02:05] <ronoc> gig, a few beers, checking email too late :)
[02:05] <ronoc> good night dude
[07:26] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, are you around?
[07:55] <pitti> Good morning
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[08:04] <pitti> hey didrocks, how are you?
[08:07] <didrocks> pitti: I'm fine, thanks. My moving part 1 has been done (Paris -> Annecy), just need to give back the keys today
[08:07] <pitti> oh, great to hear!
[08:07] <didrocks> how are you?
[08:07] <pitti> didrocks: how's the new flat like?
[08:08] <pitti> didrocks: pretty good! yesterday was a bit intersting with all the pre-freeze stuff :)
[08:08] <pitti> didrocks: btw, yesterday I made p-d-e work for python3, and uploaded to experimental
[08:08] <pitti> i. e. there's a new python3-d-e package now
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: it's 75m2 in Lyon center. it will be available end of november - mid december depending on the date the seller want to move
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: oh, good to hear!
[08:08] <pitti> I didn't yet provide a python3-mkdebian yet, that's still on the list
[08:08] <pitti> but the actual build system works now
[08:08] <didrocks> how was the transition?
[08:09] <pitti> required quite a few code changes and updates, but now it's all test case'd and working
[08:09] <pitti> didrocks: the main thing that blocks python3-mkdebian is the lack of either cdbs python3 support, or a debhelper rewrite of langpack.mk
[08:10] <pitti> we need the latter at some point anyway, so I put that on my todo list
[08:11] <didrocks> pitti: good. If you don't have the time before UDS, I'll add it to my list as well, as we will probably have more and more packages with dh7
[08:11] <pitti> didrocks: I'm sure we discussed that already, but do you remember whether we found out which package should ship the plugin and sequencer?
[08:11] <pitti> it'd be great if we could just take the unmodified gnome dh7 packages from debian and plug it in so that they will use langpack.mk automatically
[08:12] <pitti> just what we have with gnome.mk today
[08:12] <didrocks> pitti: I don't think we decided yet, but debian was opened to a --with gnome IIRC
[08:12] <pitti> ah, good
[08:12] <pitti> gnome-pkg-tools then, I think
[08:12] <didrocks> right
[08:12] <RAOF> didrocks: I am now.
[08:12] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[08:12] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, playing with mesa fun apparently? :-)
[08:13] <RAOF> didrocks: Yeah, that was a bit of a fiasco.  I hadn't tracked the clutter patch all the way into the archive, so when mesa hit clutter broke :(
[08:14] <didrocks> RAOF: when I was in the trunk and I read "unity broken", I just feared that I made a huge mistake before leaving for two days…
[08:14] <didrocks> and then, I saw it was because of mesa
[08:14] <RAOF> pitti:  A little jet lagged still, surprisingly.  Arriving in the morning doesn't suit me :)
[08:14] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, I saw you uploaded a fix, right? do you think we can remove the workaround now?
[08:15] <didrocks> (unfortunately, I don't have intel GPU today)
[08:15] <RAOF> Yeah, we can remove the workaround(s).  The unity-default-settings “turn off vblank” workaround has already been reverted; I need to check that we've dropped the mesa diff, too.
[08:16] <didrocks> RAOF: oh, ok, still have some hundreds of mails to read, scary… didn't see it's already reverted. Great!
[08:17] <pitti> RAOF: oh, where have you been?
[08:17] <RAOF> pitti: I'm in Toulouse, at XDS.
[08:17] <RAOF> So it's actually the morning for me, too :)
[08:18] <didrocks> RAOF: nice, how is the weather? :)
[08:19] <RAOF> Wednesday was nice and hot and sunny, but it's now got cooler and overcast and drizzly.
[08:19] <ajmitch> RAOF: so you've heard what it's like back home?
[08:20] <RAOF> I've heard that it's cold and wet and windy.
[10:12] <slomo> didrocks: or somebody else, do you know when seb128 will be back? and who should be subscribed to freeze exception bugs?
[10:12] <slomo> ubuntu-release?
[10:13] <didrocks> slomo: seb128 will be back in one week and half
[10:13] <slomo> for main that is
[10:13] <slomo> ok
[10:13] <didrocks> slomo: sponsoring or sync request?
[10:13] <didrocks> (don't remember if you have main upload rights)
[10:14] <slomo> i have, yes... it's not a sync but a new upstream version
[10:14] <slomo> pitivi <IP_ADDRESS> -> 0.13.5
[10:14] <slomo> translation changes and a single bugfix
[10:14] <didrocks> ok, ubuntu-release then and hunt for them :)
[10:14] <slomo> and i have to merge some annoying launchpad integration changes :P otherwise it would be just a sync from debian
[10:15] <didrocks> pitti: wil you have some time for that? ^ (I'll have some for the unity stack as well)
[10:15] <didrocks> slomo: we should really do this vendor patch
[10:15] <didrocks> that*
[10:15] <didrocks> I think robert was interested in it
[10:15] <didrocks> would be wayyy nicer :)
[10:16] <slomo> vendor patch?
[10:17] <slomo> anyway, i'll do the bugreport and the merge in the afternoon
[10:19] <didrocks> slomo: yeah, some way of adding hook in upstream like placeholders and just linking to a binding
[10:19] <didrocks> slomo: thanks :)
[10:19] <slomo> heh, good luck with getting this upstream ;)
[10:20] <slomo> if one distribution comes and wants something like this it's only a matter of time until more come and then there are 100 changes for 1000 distributions ;)
[10:29] <pitti> hello didrocks
[10:29] <pitti> didrocks: time for the pitivi update?
[10:29] <didrocks> Re pitti ;)
[10:30] <pitti> didrocks: I need to get something done today, would Monday be enough?
[10:30] <didrocks> pitti: slomo ? ^^
[10:30] <didrocks> I think so
[10:30] <slomo> sure
[10:30] <slomo> as long as it gets done before the release i'm happy :P
[10:30] <didrocks> pitti: will you just have some time this afternoon for an ack on unity stack update?
[10:31] <didrocks> (still catching up on mails from last 2 days, hope to do the release this afternoon soon enough)
[10:31] <pitti> didrocks: yes, I'll have a look at it; just sub u-release, then I'll get the mail
[10:31] <didrocks> thanks!
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti - i'm not sure who to poke about bug 632760, or if there's anything else i can do with it
[11:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 632760 in language-pack-pt (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Language variants don't work in Firefox because the language codes are separated with an underscore rather than a hyphen in chrome.manifest (affects: 1) (heat: 437)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632760
[11:37] <didrocks> dpm: there is a typo fix for u-p-f, do you know if it was already translated? (I see no bug report about it)
[11:46] <dpm> didrocks, what kind of fix? (I remember having seen a bug, but I'm not sure it's the same we're talking about)
[11:47] <dpm> bug 637305
[11:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637305 in unity-place-files (and 2 other projects) "Bad string in unity-place-files (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637305
[11:47] <didrocks> argh, I didn't find that one. let me check
[11:48] <didrocks> dpm: ok, it was that one
[11:48] <didrocks> not sure why kamstrup fixed release the package
[11:49] <dpm> it might be worth sending an e-mail to ubuntu-translators and ubuntu-doc, although it seems that the template has not been imported yet
[11:49] <didrocks> dpm: ok, duplicate fixed. Making the upload first :)
[11:50] <dpm> ok :)
[11:50] <didrocks> dpm: not sure I'll have the time to deal with all emails there, we will have also a new string next week, maybe it'll be the good time to say "hey, there is unity"
[11:51] <dpm> didrocks, I can help you with the e-mails if you want. We've already announced unity to translators. If there are more changes next week, translators might not have time to transalate them, we're well past string freeze
[11:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you mean to apply the po2xpi patch?
[11:51] <didrocks> dpm: I know… but not my call on that :)
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, and rebuild the broken langpacks
[12:06] <pitti> chrisccoulson: patch applied
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks
[12:07] <pitti> oh, and fixed the double '
[12:08] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, thanks. i only just noticed that ;)
[12:14] <slomo> didrocks, pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/641206  does this look good in general or do you need more information?
[12:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641206 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "Freeze Exception: Update pitivi <IP_ADDRESS> to 0.13.5 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:14] <didrocks> slomo: sounds good, maybe you can tell which bugfix it is and everything should be good
[12:15] <pitti> slomo: thanks! approved
[12:16] <slomo> didrocks: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615202
[12:16] <ubot2> Gnome bug 615202 in source list "[regression] "import folder of clips" doesn't work" [Blocker,Verified: fixed]
[12:16] <didrocks> thanks slomo :)
[12:16] <slomo> ok, thanks pitti :)
[12:19] <slomo> didrocks: what has to be done for other uploads that are no new upstream version? same procedure?
[12:20] <didrocks> slomo: we are in final freeze, so yeah, every upload should be accepted by the release team
[12:21] <didrocks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[12:21] <slomo> thanks
[12:41] <slomo> didrocks, pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good0.10/+bug/641218   not that urgent but should be easy and if you have a free minute or two...
[12:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641218 in gst-plugins-good0.10 (Ubuntu) "Freeze Exception: Backport 0.10.24-3 and 0.10.24-4 changes from Debian (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:42] <didrocks> slomo: I can't approve Freeze Exception ;) pitti is your best chance! :p
[12:42] <slomo> ok :)
[13:07] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so unity update done. You should have in the stack (I only subscribe the release team at least for one bug each component): bamf, clutk, unity, unity-place-files, unity-asset-pool and libzeitgeist!
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[13:17] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'm good thanks, how are you?
[13:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: busy, but good! thanks ;)
[13:19] <chrisccoulson> it's been fairly quiet in here the last couple of days ;)
[13:23] <didrocks> are you telling French guys are talkative? :)
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - let me know if there's anything you want help with for desktop stuff
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> all of my firefox bugs are currently blocked on other people, so i can do some other work in the meantime
[13:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: right now, I just finished catching up on email and unity, so that's good :) did you advance on the bug list we discussed on Tuesday during the meeting?
[13:26] <didrocks> like the gsd crash and such?
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> didrocks - i fixed the gsd crash already :)
[13:27] <didrocks> waow :-)
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look at the others actually
[13:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: feel free to pick from the bugs assigned to the team
[13:27] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ping me if you need more :-)
[13:28] <didrocks> I'll prepare a list next Monday
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:56] <pitti> didrocks: currently reviewing; one small prob in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/unity-place-files/+bug/637305
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637305 in unity-place-files (and 2 other projects) "Bad string in unity-place-files (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged]
[13:57] <didrocks> pitti: I've subscribed the translators, isn't it?
[13:57] <pitti> didrocks: right, I meant patching the included .po files upstream
[13:57] <didrocks> pitti: and TBH, the pot still wasn't imported to launchpad
[13:57] <pitti> to update the msgids for the typo
[13:57] <pitti> or aren't there any?
[13:57] <didrocks> yeah, the fix has landed Tuesday to get it
[13:58] <didrocks> and it's still not imported
[13:58] <pitti> I mean, does the upstream orig.tar.gz has any po/*.po?
[13:58] <didrocks> pitti: no, there isn't any
[13:58] <didrocks> (well, just a string of test :))
[14:02] <pitti> ok
[14:16] <didrocks> pitti: thanks for accepting them :)
[14:27] <hallyn> well, i hopped over here to see if there was a huge flood of ppl screaming that their mouse stopped working after last night's update, but i guess not.  drat!
[14:38] <dpm> didrocks, on bug 637305, it's not a problem, but it's enough to add an ubuntu-translations task to the bug. No need to subscribe ubuntu-translations-bug-supervisors. Thanks!
[14:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637305 in unity-place-files (and 2 other projects) "Bad string in unity-place-files (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 18)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637305
[14:38] <didrocks> dpm: ok, thanks for the notice, will know for next time :)
[14:38] <dpm> didrocks, ok, cool, thanks ;)
[14:38] <didrocks> dpm: thank you :)
[14:51] <jcastro> tedg: any idea why inkscape .48 didn't make it into maverick?
[14:52] <tedg> jcastro, There was a freeze request...
[14:52] <didrocks> kenvandine: did you update the -settings package?
[14:52] <kenvandine> yeah, i'll upload and get it approved soon
[14:53] <kenvandine> didrocks, preparing for the release team meeting :)
[14:53] <tedg> jcastro, bug 628048
[14:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 628048 in baltix (and 1 other project) "[FFe] Please merge inkscape (universe) with version 0.48.0-1 from Debian experimental main (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/628048
[14:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: awesome. Thanks! (and good luck ;))
[14:53] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:54] <jcastro> tedg: ah ok so it was approved, so something else happened
[14:54] <tedg> jcastro, Yup, I'm not sure what.  Honestly, at that point in the process I get a little hazy.
[14:54] <tedg> jcastro, That's the "ask kenvandine" part of the process :)
[14:54] <Laney> tedg: jcastro: it waits for sponsoring
[14:54] <jcastro> Laney: that's what I feared, heh
[14:55] <kenvandine> jcastro, i can't upload to universe :)
[14:55] <Laney> it's in main
[14:55] <kenvandine> oh
[14:56] <jcastro> tedg: other than you, is there an upstream contact we have at inkscape?
[14:56] <Laney> it's in the ubuntu-desktop set
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, when are you going to apply for MOTU? ;)
[14:56] <Laney> so desktop devs and core-devs can sponsor it
[14:56] <jcastro> tedg: the kind of person that can start poking us when things like this happen, except NOT on the day after freeze.
[14:56] <kenvandine> soon... i started to prepare for that a couple weeks ago
[14:56] <tedg> jcastro, bryceh is another good one.  Also Scisalac but he's not online now.
[14:56] <kenvandine> but it's been one fire after another...
[14:56]  * kenvandine blames tedg
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, yeah, i know what you mean ;)
[14:57] <jcastro> tedg: if you run into scisalac send him my way (no rush) - I'll enlist him to be our contact.
[14:57]  * tedg thinks that kenvandine should send out some sort of indicator that he indicates to apply
[14:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128 keeps asking me when i'm going to apply for core-dev, but i just keep getting distracted ;)
[14:57] <kenvandine> and the past 2 days... whew... a marathon!
[14:57] <Laney> it's got a freeze exception so...
[14:57] <kenvandine> tedg, bryceh can upload it :)
[14:57] <jcastro> Laney: so what's the next step, release team?
[14:57]  * kenvandine can't even figure out how to use inkscape :)
[14:57] <Laney> jcastro: no, it's approved. next step: hassle a sponsor
[14:57]  * chrisccoulson deletes jaunty VM and free's up some space. won't be needing that anymore \o/
[14:58] <Laney> jcastro: I assume that pre-final freeze exceptions carry over
[14:58] <Laney> pitti can confirm
[14:58] <jcastro> who's got time to sponsor this? They've been working on .48 for like 9 months and the exception was filed a while back, it'd be sad to let them down
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, sponsoring for inkscape?
[14:59] <jcastro> yeah
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, i can do that then
[15:01] <jcastro> that would be fantastic
[15:04]  * bilalakhtar wishes to know what the discussion is about
[15:05] <jcastro> oh nothing, just making sure we don't ship an old inkscape
[15:05] <bilalakhtar> inky winky!
[15:40] <chrisccoulson> jcastro, ok, the inkscape merge looks good. i'm just test building it now though, so will upload it once i've checked it runs ok
[15:45] <jcastro> chrisccoulson: thanks dude. <3
[16:35] <jcastro> can anyone reproduce bug 627744?
[16:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "note names are blank in applet menu (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 229)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627744
[16:35] <jcastro> neither myself nor karl can reproduce it
[17:56] <pitti> good night everyone! have a nice weekend
[17:57] <didrocks> enjoy your week-end pitti!
[18:24] <didrocks> time for week-end here too
[19:26] <annon> hi. I just installed 10.04.1 LTS with full disk encryption, but every time it boots up my monitor says "video mode not supported" before I can even enter the password to unlock /. what can I do about it? it has to be a setting in /boot since this is the only partition not encrypted at this point.
[19:45] <cyphermox> annon: you may want to ask in #ubuntu instead
[19:46] <bryceh> who maintains the packaging for firefox these days?
[19:46] <annon> cyphermox: I already have, 4 times, no reply. and since it's the desktop version I thought this channel is more appropriate and not so overcrowded.
[19:47] <nigelb> bryceh: I think you want to talk to chrisccoulson :)
[19:47] <bryceh> ok
[19:48] <chrisccoulson> my ears are burning
[19:48] <nigelb> haha
[19:50] <cyphermox> annon, please be patient, as you say there is a lot of people in #ubuntu. you could also try to type in the password in the blank after a minute, so you have a chance of getting to a desktop to fix the issue (unless that's already what you've done)
[19:51] <annon> cyphermox: already tried that.
[20:03] <Cybolic> Does anyone know how to use markup in an appindicator menu-item?
[20:14] <jcastro> Cybolic: appindicator support is in #ayatana
[20:14] <jcastro> Cybolic: you're looking for tedg when you get there
[21:06] <Cybolic> jcastro, oh, I see I'm late, sorry. I'll head over to #ayatana then, thanks. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators should be changed by the way, it suggests this channel.
[21:11] <jcastro> Cybolic: oh, I'll fix that
[21:12] <Cybolic> jcastro, excellent :)


[03:39] <olly_> hmm, hail
[03:39] <olly_> and sunshine
[03:39] <olly_> at the same time
[18:16] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:31] <olly_> morning
[23:10] <hads> Morning. What a morning it was.
[23:36] <ibeardslee> all back now I see


[13:00] <tjaalton> grr, why doesn't rhythmbox obey my umask but insists on using 177?
[13:00] <tjaalton> meaning when I edit the tags, the permissions get broken


[18:23] <hagar> Hi, I am not sure this this is the correct channel to ask in, please point me to the wrong correct place in that case.
[18:23] <hagar> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1969901 and it includes a fix and and test proceedure
[18:24] <hagar> I also found that this is a duplicate of an old issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1533631
[18:25] <hagar> This only affects Ubuntu 16.04, newer versions of ubuntu contains a network manager that contains the fix that I have cherry picked.
[18:26] <hagar> 1. Do I need to do anything more about the issue that I filed, or it is considered complete now after I updated the description with the test proceedure?
[18:26] <hagar> 2. Is there any more actions that I should take, or I just need to wait
[18:27] <hagar> thanks
[18:39] <rbasak> hagar: sorry it's taking a while to review. We have a backlog of requests to review at the moment.
[18:46] <hagar> rbasak: ok, then I know that I haven't slipped of the queue at least :)
[18:50] <hagar> thanks for the effort you are putting in. More and more of our local users using 16.04 are using a locally built version of network manager with the fix, and that solves the network hassle for us. Have a nice day/evening.
[18:51] <rbasak> hagar: thank you for contributing the fix and the test plan!
[18:52] <rbasak> If it helps, you can see the queue here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[18:52] <rbasak> (but there are also queues for Focal and Jammy)


[03:29] <Unit193> finn: Hello, anything we can help you with?
[03:33] <finn> i am just lurking
[18:33] <ikonia> bazhang: is the #ubuntu-ru channel any good these days ?
[19:10] <Seveas> 20:09 <      thiuop> | I take it then you a white liberal Muslim nigger lover. That blames other whites for all the black problems. You are what's wrong with this world.
[19:11] <Seveas> pm from person in -offtopic
[19:11] <ikonia> yeah I think it was the guy I booted a few minutes earlier
[19:29] <adminpidar> hey
[19:29] <adminpidar> i banned :(
[19:29] <adminpidar> Can you unban me?
[19:38] <IdleOne> no