[01:52] <Flannel> And seven years bad luck if they break.
[01:58] <elky> Heh
[04:47]  * elky facepalms
[04:48] <rww> elky: indeed
[04:48] <rww> there's always one :)
[04:48] <elky> Why is it always this one?
[04:50] <rww> didn't he get kickbanned last release too?
[04:50]  * rww looks
[04:52] <rww> I see he managed to get banned from here too.
[04:53] <rww> let's see... previously kicked from -ot for forkbombing, don't see an -r-p ban, though that's not conclusive.
[04:55] <elky> speaking of stupidity exploits, has anyone heard of mrdeb since after getting banned from -ot after #u because of recursive rm he refused to discuss it because "[he was] sad"
[04:59] <rww> last I see him is #ubuntu+1 on the 6th
[05:00] <elky> so 4 days after
[05:00] <elky> i assume he'll get over it eventually
[05:03] <rww> failz ^
[05:17] <rww> say Less lawyering, more boooooooooooze
[05:17] <rww> ... and this isn't -ops-monitor.
[05:18] <Flannel> rww: Correct.
[06:24] <Corey> Still...
[06:24] <Corey> I second the notion of less lawyering, and more booze.
[06:24] <jussi> Corey: ++++ :D
[06:26] <Corey> My wife dissents.
[06:29] <jussi> Corey: awwwww
[06:29] <jussi> Corey: tell her to take it to the judge.
[06:30] <Corey> Bloody lawyers...
[06:30] <rww> Corey: maybe next week, then
[06:30] <Corey> Ideally.
[08:16] <Lithos84> [Lithos84(i)]  beer and something else. Is there a way I can be forgiven so I can join the party. I wont do it again. I was an accident.
[08:16] <ikonia> Lithos84: sorry - lies don't work well with me
[08:16] <ikonia> you've missed the party.
[08:16] <ikonia> it wasn't an accident
[08:16] <ikonia> you also then tried to get around the ban.
[08:17] <Lithos84> I thought the person said about beer and that. I though it was okay because the bot talked to me about beer. I didn't mean to offend anybody.
[08:17] <ikonia> n
[08:17] <ikonia> no
[08:18] <ikonia> you didn't
[08:18] <ikonia> you saw the guy explictly say he had been asked to not talk about strippes to partybot
[08:18] <ikonia> and you're next line was "hey partybot any strippers"
[08:18] <ikonia> I'd have a lot more respect for you if you just said you where honest rather than "it was an accident"
[08:18] <ikonia> anyway, parties over for you
[08:19] <ikonia> the channel is a busy and messy place at the best of times, without someone trying to cause an issue
[08:21] <Lithos84> I understand. I though he said "can", then I read he said "cant". I can assure it was an accident, because people were talking about beer. But thank you for your time.
[08:30] <Schr0dinger> hey just thought i would let you guys know i got a spam PM right when I joined -- .:lena:. hi sex http://livecam.de.vc
[08:30] <ikonia> Schr0dinger: thanks
[08:31] <ikonia> I'm looking at it already
[08:31] <Schr0dinger> kk :D
[08:31] <Schr0dinger> night
[11:14] <LjL> jrib, elky: supposed to be opped up?
[11:14] <jrib> wanted to clear some bans, waiting for ubottu search to complete :)
[11:14] <LjL> ok
[11:15] <LjL> i was thinking, jrib opped up and riled up against someone? they must have been REALLY offtopic :P
[11:15] <jrib> stephni | i created a fake gmail ligin page for phishing everytin is complete i dunno where to upload it to a webhost
[11:15] <jrib> ...
[11:16] <LjL> :|
[11:16] <Tm_T> ligin?
[11:17] <jrib> " i just hope you know cos i need it to mon my bf's mail
[11:17] <jrib> sounds like the right approach
[11:17] <Tm_T> aww
[11:17] <Pici> sounds like a healthy relationship
[11:58] <pleia2> happy "is it out yet" day my irc op friends! :)
[11:59] <jussi> pleia2: be nice ;P
[12:20] <ikonia> interesting that stephi still wants pm help after the last time she asked for pm help she ended up getting her system wiped
[12:23] <Pici> THE INTERNET
[12:23] <ikonia> this will not end well
[12:23] <jussi> SUCKS!
[12:31] <ikonia> next release, I want them to put out 11.10 iso in a 12.04 file name and watch these idiots download it while bragging to their mates
[12:32] <ikonia> then at the time of release give the official url
[12:32] <popey> s/idiots/keen users/
[12:32] <ikonia> not for me
[12:32] <ikonia> but "ok"
[12:32] <popey> you have quite a dismissive tone about our target demographic
[12:32] <ikonia> at the moment yes
[12:33] <Pici> Its the people who go around saying 'its out, heres a url' that annoy us.
[12:33] <popey> xkcd 386
[12:33] <ikonia> Pici: yes, cor no reason
[12:34] <ikonia> it's not that someone wants it, that's nice
[12:34] <ikonia> I do enjoy that xkcd
[12:34] <popey> I do my best not to be him.
[12:34] <popey> I fail often.
[12:35] <ikonia> it's hard not to sometimes
[12:35] <ikonia> people are only human
[12:35] <ikonia> and it's nice to see a bit of passion sometimes
[12:42] <ikonia> I'm genuinly surprised at the seer number of people I'm seeing who are genuinly activly waiting up (in their time zone) waiting to press "download" the moment someone says it's out
[12:44] <popey> happens every release
[12:45] <ikonia> yes, but the volume of people is what's surprising me
[12:45] <ikonia> normally you get people hanging around in party for the "fun" side of it
[12:45] <ikonia> but the number of people who genuinly appear to be waiting for it is much bigger than I thought
[12:45] <Pici> Bad timing for a release.  I'm in crunch-mode at work.
[12:46] <ikonia> knuckle down !
[12:47]  * Pici gets back to work.
[12:47] <Pici> I'll check in here every so often.
[12:47] <ikonia> good man
[13:14] <Pici> !party =~ s/744/1186/
[13:16] <ikonia> isn't the release manager supposed to be in -party ?
[13:16] <Pici> she timed out a few minutes ago.
[13:17] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[13:17] <ikonia> probably killed off by the canonical netowrk
[13:17] <ikonia> thanks popey
[13:17] <ikonia> just got the link
[13:19] <popey> i would remove that bot
[13:19] <ikonia> yes,
[13:19] <ikonia> or at least disable the kick
[13:21] <Pici> jussi: can you update the $curStable things?
[13:27] <Pici> !no isitout is <reply> Yes! Ubuntu 11.10 is out! Downloads at http://goo.gl/Ov56R or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[13:28] <Pici> !no oneiric is <reply> Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) is the current release of Ubuntu Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1110
[13:29] <Pici> !natty =~ s/is the current/was the fourteenth/
[13:36] <Pici> do we want to lock +1?
[13:36] <pangolin> why?
[13:36]  * Pici shrugs
[13:36] <pangolin> I know we usually do but never got why
[13:36] <Pici> I can't remember what we did last release.
[13:37] <pangolin> some of us started running +1 the day after release.
[13:38] <pangolin> Pici: thanks for updating those factoids :)
[13:41] <Pici> no
[13:41] <Pici> problem
[13:48] <charlie-tca> last release it was locked for 3 days
[13:49] <popey> P opens tomorrow doesnt it?
[13:49] <charlie-tca> or maybe it was 5 days
[13:49] <charlie-tca> I thought P opened in a couple of hours now
[13:50] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/precise-changes doesnt exist yet
[13:51] <pangolin> I'm gonna switch my sources in a few hours to P
[13:52] <jussi> pangolin: you are mad
[13:52] <pangolin> jussi: I am :S HAHAHAHAHA hahahahaha HAHAH ha haha haha
[13:52] <pangolin> *cough*
[14:02] <Pici> jussi: Did you get a chance to update those config things?
[14:08] <Pici> !notunity
[14:08] <Pici> too long?
[14:09] <pangolin> nope
[14:09] <Pici> ubottu: forget notunity-#ubuntu+1
[14:09] <Pici> notunity =~ s/  / /g
[14:17] <Pici> jussi: I'm going to break !torrents if we don't get the $currelease things updated.
[14:29] <Pici> oh dear
[14:30] <pangolin> what did you break
[14:30] <Pici> eir replied to !help in #ubuntu
[14:31] <pangolin> hmm not optimal behavior
[14:32]  * Pici is reading release notes
[14:32] <Pici> I think we're going to need a bunch of factoids
[14:35] <ikonia> yes,
[14:36] <ikonia> some good wiki updates too
[14:37] <Pici> I'll look into documentation or factoid changes later, but we'll likely need them for Skype, Remote Desktop with proprietary video, Orca, Sandybridge power issues, mac partitioning problems
[14:40] <Pici> Anyone opposed to closing +1 for a few days? at least until things get started on +1?
[14:42] <jrib> release this year has known time?
[14:42] <Pici> jrib: its out already
[14:42] <jrib> oh
[14:42] <jrib> heh
[14:43] <jrib> there was thisisthecountdown.com being thrown around earlier, was that official?
[14:44] <popey> define $official
[14:44] <popey> "Created by the Ubuntu Adverts Team. Thanks for playing!"
[14:45] <jrib> hmm, "official team interacting and communicating with whoever actually decides when to release"
[14:46] <popey> dunno if they talked to kate but they certainly talked to canonical
[14:46] <jrib> i see
[14:46]  * jrib goes off to read the release notes
[14:46]  * jrib goes off to update the release notes factoid
[14:47] <jrib> !notes
[14:47] <Pici> :(
[14:48] <jrib> !-notes
[14:48] <jrib> !-releasenotes
[14:48] <jrib> I remember there was some sort of variable replacement feature added to ubottu and wondering how one checks that :)
[14:49] <Pici> !+releasenotes
 Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) release notes can be found here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1104
[14:49] <Pici> !+torrents
 $curStable can be torrented from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/$curStableLower/desktop/ubuntu-$curStableNum-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/$curStableLower/server/ubuntu-$curStableNum-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Other flavors can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[14:49] <jrib> ah with +
[14:50] <Pici> !no torrents is <reply> Oneiric can be torrented from http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/oneiric/desktop/ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/simple/oneiric/server/ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your needs.  Other flavors can be found at http://torrent.ubuntu.com/
[14:51] <Pici> I know I broke it, but no one is around to fix the config values right now.
[14:51] <jrib> oh
[14:52] <jrib> !no releasenotes is <reply> Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) release notes can be found here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/11.10
[14:52] <jrib> !releasenotes
[14:53] <jrib> Pici: the variable sub is a pretty nifty feature
[14:53] <Pici> jussi/ircc: can we get more people added to be able to change these config values, or lower the required capability level? I know this comes only every 6 months, but its rather disruptive if we can't fix this in a timely manner/
[14:54] <jrib> oh backports enabled by default now
[14:55] <pangolin> that doesn't sound right
[14:55] <charlie-tca> that is a change, because they pin them to a lower priority so they won't install unless you specifically pick it
[14:56]  * Pici finds someone to bug about https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[14:58] <jrib> charlie-tca: right
[14:58] <Pici> charlie-tca: Do you think I should bug -docs or -release about that?
[15:00] <Pici> !nounity is <alias> notunity
[15:02] <Pici> what
[15:03] <Pici> Did I do that wrong?
[15:04] <pangolin> I think the bot read it wrong
[15:04] <pangolin> !nounity is <alias> notunity
[15:04] <jrib> !nounity is exists
[15:04] <jrib> !nounity is <alias> notunity
[15:04] <jrib> don't know
[15:04] <jrib> !nounity
[15:04] <pangolin> hmm
[15:05] <jrib> !nounity is <alias> releasenotes
[15:05] <pangolin> looks like ubottu is dropping the last letter
[15:05] <Pici> !no nounity is <alias> notunity
[15:05] <Pici> weird.
[15:05] <jrib> yeah
[15:05] <pangolin> !nounity
[15:05]  * Pici logs a bug
[15:06] <jrib> i think it used to have some issue where you couldn't alias if the factoid didn't already exist
[15:07] <mneptok> just alias nounity to xfce  ;)
[15:07] <jrib> !nounity
[15:08] <Pici> jrib: its only with no.* aliases.
[15:10] <jrib> Pici: ah
[16:03] <GirlyGIrl>  Hi can someone change the #kubuntu-offtopic channel from "11.04" to "11.10"
[16:04] <GirlyGIrl> Anyone there?
[16:05] <pangolin> Someone will get ot it soon.
[16:05] <pangolin> to*
[16:05] <GirlyGIrl> Ok thanks
[16:31] <h00k> They moved #ubuntu+1 over already, that was quick.
[16:49] <gnomefreak> we did?
[16:49]  * gnomefreak in there
[16:51] <Pici> eh?
[16:52] <Pici> h00k: ?
[16:53] <pangolin> the topic
[16:54] <Pici> Actually, I changed the topic in +1 before I  did it in #ubuntu
[16:56] <h00k> Pici: eh?
[16:56] <h00k> The topic
[16:56] <h00k> usually it would close after a release
[16:57] <h00k> until the toolchain was uploaded/repos open
[16:57] <Pici> People always complain
[17:15]  * h00k facepalms
[17:16] <h00k> I'm not complainin'
[17:16]  * h00k complains about Pici
[17:30] <jrib> we should have ubottu spam !nounity every 2 minutes or so... would solve 90% of questions in #ubuntu at the moment
[17:42] <Pici> I'm pretty sure that asdasdasdsd is lars :(
[17:50] <Pici> I've had enough of this.
[17:53] <Pici> jussi: we really need ubottu to be updated for the new release.
[17:54] <h00k> oh boy.
[17:54] <h00k> yeah, that, too.
[17:56] <h00k> !away > sysadamin|away
[18:01] <GirlyGirl> Hi this person has been bothering me by pm http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6664/snapshot5o.png
[18:01] <jussi> GirlyGirl: right, we will look into it.
[18:02] <jussi> GirlyGirl: anything else you need?
[18:02] <GirlyGirl> No thanks ...
[18:02] <jussi> Pici:
[18:02] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease
[18:05] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStable
[18:05] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStable Oneiric
[18:05] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableLong
[18:06] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableLong Oneiric Ocelot
[18:06] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableNum
[18:06] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curStableNum 11.10
[18:06] <Pici> jussi: thanks
[18:06] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevel
[18:07] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevel Precise
[18:07] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelLong
[18:07] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelLong Precise Pangolin
[18:07] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelNum
[18:07] <jussi> @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelNum 12.04
[18:08] <jussi> right, done then :)
[18:10] <Pici> !hashses
[18:10] <Pici> !hashes
[18:11] <h00k> hashes aren't opdated
[18:11] <h00k> updated. See what I did there?
[18:12] <jussi> hashses... Pici are you drunk? :P
[18:12] <Pici> !no hashes is <reply> See http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/$curStableNum/MD5SUMS for the md5sums of the latest Ubuntu release
[18:12] <Pici> !hashes
[18:12] <h00k> Pici saves the day
[18:13] <Pici> h00k: I know, I've bugged a few people about it and it hasn't gotten done yet... wanted to make sure that the old !hashes was logged in here before I put that workaround in.
[18:30] <Pici> !gnome2 is <reply> The GNOME Foundation has ceased support for GNOME 2, and as such it is not in Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot). See !notunity for an alternative desktop experience.
[18:30] <Pici> PerfM: Can we help you?
[18:31] <PerfM> Pici, oh, lol forgot to part
[20:49] <Jordan_U> !final
[20:50] <Pici> !+final
 If you install a development version of Ubuntu $curDevel and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of $curDevelNum when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal.
[20:50] <Jordan_U> I figured it was something like that.
[21:11] <jrib> banned user lena for pm spam on join
[22:02] <Jordan_U> I'm a bit busy with support and other tasks. Can someone deal with d1kb's nonsense in #ubuntu?
[22:45] <Corey> Sure.
[22:45] <Corey> ER, wait.
[22:45] <Corey> That was almost an hour ago.


[23:44] <MinusSeven> Hi
[23:44] <MinusSeven> If I was to put an eggdrop bot into #Ubuntu which only logged the channel, is that okay?
[23:51] <tomreyn> MinusSeven: why would you need this? what would it provide that the existing log bot doesn't?
[23:52] <MinusSeven> I didn't know there was one.
[23:53] <tomreyn> !irclog
[23:53] <MinusSeven> is that just for the channel, or the whole network?
[23:53] <MinusSeven> !irclog
[23:53] <kryten> !irclogs
[23:53] <tomreyn> thanks kryten
[23:54] <MinusSeven> ok, that solves that. Thanks
[23:55] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[23:55] <MinusSeven> bye
[23:56] <tomreyn> i don't remember ever seeing them chat in #ubuntu


[19:28] <Blue_> Hello!
[19:30] <penguin42> Hey
[19:31] <Blue_> I am on Ubuntu, I found out that on C shell, the command, source script arg, takes the arg as an empty string. This error does not occur in Linux Red Hat. Is the error documented in the Ubuntu website?
[19:32]  * penguin42 hasn't done C shell for about 20 years :-)
[19:32] <penguin42> can you give me the exact line you typed and what it says?
[19:43] <Blue_> First, at the prompt, I type the command, csh, to get to the C shell. Second, I execute the command, source abc.csh abc and the output: The first parameter is . In the abc.csh file, it has two statements. First statement:#/bin/csh and the second statement:echo The first parameter is $1
[19:45] <Blue_> I also type the command: chmod 777 abc.csh after creating the file abc.csh
[19:45] <penguin42> hang on, that first line should be #!/bin/csh
[19:45] <penguin42> the ! is important
[19:46] <Blue_> Sorry, yes, it was #!/bin/csh
[19:46] <Blue_> I mis-typed it.
[19:46] <penguin42> no problem
[19:47] <penguin42> OK, so what happens with that script?
[19:49] <Blue_> After I create the file abc.csh, I run the command chmod 777 abc.csh. Then, I ran the command, source abc.csh abc. The output should be The first parameter is abc. However, the actual output is The first parameter is.
[19:50] <Blue_> After I created the file abc.csh, I ran the command chmod 777 abc.csh. Then, I ran the command, source abc.csh abc. The output should be The first parameter is abc. However, the actual output was: The first parameter is
[19:50] <penguin42> ok, so I've just done that on ubuntu u and it seems to work and shows the parameter, so I'm not sure why it's not working for you; but the other thing is you've not quite got the reason for doing the chmod - you don't need to use chmod if you're going to use source, you only need it if you run it directly
[19:52] <Blue_> Did you do it on Ubuntu 14.04?
[19:52] <penguin42> hmm no, I wonder if I have a .04 around
[19:53] <Blue_> I did it on 13.04 also.
[19:54]  * penguin42 looks which VMs he has
[19:54] <penguin42> ah 14.04 is trusty isn't it?
[19:54] <Blue_> It should.
[19:55] <penguin42> ah, I've got a 14.04 vm here
[19:55] <penguin42> ok, so an observation; on 14.10 it's using tcsh when you ask for csh, on 14.04 it's using bsd-csh
[19:55] <Blue_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:56] <penguin42> Blue_: Which shell are you in when you do the source?
[19:56] <Blue_> I ran the command, csh, to go to the C shell.
[19:56] <penguin42> ok
[19:57] <penguin42> Blue_: So yes, this looks like a difference in behaviour between bsd-csh and tcsh
[19:57] <Blue_> It may work on tcsh but it does not work on csh
[19:58] <penguin42> Blue_: Many systems just run tcsh when you ask to run csh
[19:58] <penguin42> Blue_: Do you understand what the 'source' is for and what the chmod is for?
[20:00] <Blue_> Is it for setting the environment on the current shell?
[20:01] <penguin42> no
[20:01] <Blue_> Okay, what does the 'source' is for?
[20:01] <penguin42> Blue_: 'source' reads the commands from the file you specify as if you had typed them at the command prompt,  if   you do the chmod and then do    ./abc.csh   it runs abc.csh in a new shell - it's only for the later case that you need the chmod
[20:03] <Blue_> Okay, thanks!
[20:03] <penguin42> Blue_: now if you do the ./abc.csh that works on both bsd-csh and tcsh
[20:04] <Blue_> Okay, thanks!
[20:04] <penguin42> Blue_: The command you run with csh goes through a chooser that picks what to run, you can change it with  update-alternatives,   so if you install tcsh  you can make  csh   run that
[20:07] <Blue_> If I do not have tcsh installed, I ran the command, source abc.csh abc. I do not see the output as The first parameter is abc
[20:08] <Blue_>  If I do not have tcsh installed, I ran the command, source abc.csh abc. I do not see the output as: The first parameter is abc.
[20:08] <penguin42> right, it's just a difference in the behaviour of tcsh and bsd-csh
[20:09] <penguin42> both work if you do ./abc.csh hello    instead of using source
[20:11] <Blue_> Is the bug filed in Ubuntu?
[20:11] <penguin42> I don't think it's a bug
[20:11] <penguin42> it's just a difference between bsd-csh and tcsh
[20:13] <penguin42> Blue_: Passing parameters through source is not that common, actually using source isn't that common
[20:13] <Blue_> If I go to a Linux Red Hat and run the command, csh, Then run the command, source abc.csh abc. I can see the output as: The first parameter is abc.
[20:13] <penguin42> Blue_: Whether it's a bug in bsd-csh you'd really want to take up with the bsd-csh guys, because I'm not sure it's defined
[20:14] <penguin42> Blue_: So what makes you think it's a bug in the csh ubuntu uses?
[20:14] <penguin42> Blue_: What is the right definition of the csh behaviour of source?
[20:14] <hggdh> well, source (or "." in bash) is not THAT uncommon. What is uncommon is passing parameter to it
[20:15] <penguin42> right
[20:15]  * penguin42 isn't sure if csh is covered by posix or not or if there is any fixed definition of it
[20:15] <hggdh> yeah, neither am I
[20:15] <Blue_> If I go to a Ubuntu and run the command, csh, Then run the command, source abc.csh abc. I should see the output as: The first parameter is abc. The behavior should be the same as in the Linux Red Hat. Am I correct?
[20:16] <hggdh> Blue_: penguin42 has gone thru already. Summary is it depends: is csh and tcsh are identical, version differences, etc
[20:16] <penguin42> Blue_: http://www.kitebird.com/csh-tcsh-book/csh.pdf  doesn't specify parameters to source (page 14)
[20:17] <penguin42> sorry, 15
[20:17] <penguin42> Blue_: No, you're wrong
[20:17] <penguin42> Blue_: You're failing to understand 1) The difference between source and running a shell script directly   2) What defines the behaviour of source   3) That there are differences between different implementations
[20:18] <penguin42> Blue_: Compare that document above with the tcsh manpage http://www.kitebird.com/csh-tcsh-book/tcsh.pdf  page 34   that lists it's source takes args
[20:19] <hggdh> and, now, one should point out that tcsh and csh are *not* the same thing
[20:21] <Blue_> I am sorry. I do not understand why there are different behaviors between Red Hat Linux and Ubuntu.
[20:22] <penguin42> Blue_: Because there are multiple implementations of csh, they have subtle different behaviours
[20:23] <penguin42> Blue_: The feature you're using is one of these differences because you're not using the feature you think you are
[20:24] <penguin42> Blue_: Go and read those two documents I pasted which define the source command in two different csh versions
[20:35] <Blue_> I apologize to repeat my question because I still do not quite understand. Is Red Hat Linux csh is the same as tcsh? I did the command, ps -p $$, in the Red Hat Linux. I saw CMD=csh.
[20:36] <Blue_> Is Ubuntu csh is not the same as tcsh? Is that the reason I am seeing different behaviors between Ubuntu and Red Hat Linux?
[20:38] <penguin42> correct, the csh on 14.04 is bsd-csh not tcsh
[20:39] <penguin42> (by default if you just install csh, you can install tcsh if you want)
[20:44] <hggdh> and, usually, tcsh will set itself as csh
[20:44] <Blue_> I googled bsd-csh and was unable to find its definition. What are the difference between bsd-csh and csh? Is bsd-csh the same as csh?
[20:46] <penguin42> see the manpages I posted
[20:46] <hggdh> bsd csh was also known as Berkeley csh. 'bsd' means "Berkeley Software Distribution"
[20:46] <penguin42> right, bsd was one of the early unix systems
[20:47] <penguin42> I think bsd systems had the original csh but not 100% sure on that
[20:47] <hggdh> and we owe a LOT to the folks at UC-Berkeley
[20:49] <hggdh> not sure either. I do not remember if csh started at Bell Labs, and bsd-csh was a variant
[20:51] <hggdh> ah, wikipedia to the rescue -- csh was authored by Bill Joy, while he was at UC-B
[20:51] <penguin42> yeh that rings a bell
[20:52] <hggdh> so bsd-csh and csh are the same
[20:54] <Blue_> If Red Hat Linux csh is the same as tcsh? Why did I see CMD=csh after running the command, ps -p $$, in the Red Hat Linux? <hggdh> said, tcsh will set itself as csh. Is it the answer?
[20:55] <Blue_> If Red Hat Linux csh is not the same as tcsh, why did I see CMD=csh after running the command, ps -p $$, in the Red Hat Linux? <hggdh> said, tcsh will set itself as csh. Is it the answer?
[20:55] <hggdh> Blue_: because usually tcsh will install itself as csh (it *is* a C shell, after all). But I do not know if RH uses tcsh or csh. If I were to do it, I would go tcsh
[20:55] <hggdh> Blue_: so yes, this is the answer
[20:56] <hggdh> probably :-)
[20:56] <hggdh> Blue_: you probably can find it by 'rpm -q -a | grep csh' on RH system
[20:57] <hggdh> if you only see tcsh shown as installed, then there you go
[21:03] <Blue_> Yes, I saw tcsh on the Red Hat Linux machine. I tried the command, rpm -q -a | grep csh, on Ubuntu. I gave the error: rpm:Command not found.
[21:04] <Blue_>  Yes, I saw tcsh on the Red Hat Linux machine. I tried the command, rpm -q -a | grep csh, on Ubuntu. It gave the error: rpm:Command not found.
[21:05] <Blue_> May be rpm is a Red Hat command only.
[21:06] <Blue_> rpm is Red Hat specific.
[21:08] <hggdh> rpm is available on RH, Fedora, and CentOS, at least
[21:08] <hggdh> maybe it is out of your default path
[21:10] <hggdh> on Debian (and variants, like Ubuntu) you should use 'dpkg -l \*csh'
[21:24] <Blue_> hggdh++: Thanks! I ran the command, dpkg -l \*csh, on Ubuntu and found Name=ii csh. Description=Shell with C-like syntax
[21:25] <Blue_> hggdh++: Thanks! I ran the command, rpm -q -a | grep csh on Red Hat Linux and found tcsh.
[21:31] <Blue_> The reason why there are different behaviors in Ubuntu and Red Hat Linux is Ubuntu uses Berkeley Software Distribution C shell and Red Hat Linux uses tcsh. Am I correct?
[22:19] <sfp> would a member of ubuntu-bugcontrol please nominate bug #1409798 for 14.04 and 14.10?
[23:47] <hggdh> Blue_: correct
[23:50] <hggdh> sfp: Trusty and Utopic have been targeted
[23:51] <teward> hggdh: boo you stole it from me
[23:51]  * teward glares
[23:51] <teward> nah i kid :)
[23:52] <hggdh> teward: heh


[03:38] <daSKreech> hi hunger_t
[04:24] <daSKreech> pong *
[04:24] <daSKreech> anyone awake?
[04:25] <CheGuevara> .
[04:26] <gribelu> so no
[04:28] <daSKreech> Alpha 1 will have packages?
[04:29] <CheGuevara> alpha 1 of what
[04:29] <daSKreech> 4.1
[04:29] <CheGuevara> hope so
[04:29] <CheGuevara> don't feel like compiling
[10:09] <Arby> Riddell: I know it's sunday but just for reference kde3 iso 20080315 is still completely dead
[10:09]  * Arby gone
[10:19]  * awen_ just found the problem with brightness in kde-guidance-powermanager :D ... I need to leave now, but just to say "no need for anyone else to debug that also", i'll be back with some patches tonight
[10:20]  * Arby back
[10:20] <Arby> Riddell: kde4 iso 20080316 has the same problem as well now
[10:21] <Arby> this is all in virtualbox VMs so I'll check with real CDs later just in case
[13:34] <jpatrick> oh hi Mamarok :)
[13:35] <Mamarok> hi jpatrick :)
[13:35] <Mamarok> jpatrick: you might be of help too
[13:35] <jpatrick> Mamarok: I think he's out for today, so you'll have to wait :)
[13:35] <jpatrick> Mamarok: what's up?
[13:36] <Mamarok> sinc the libc-problem a few days ago, have the isos of kubuntu been corrected?
[13:36] <jpatrick> yes, they're built daily
[13:36] <Mamarok> ok, thanks, so I can use them :)
[13:37] <Mamarok> I only escaped the problem by a day, upgraded yesterday
[13:37] <jpatrick> phew
[13:38] <Mamarok> yep, that was close
[13:38] <Mamarok> and I wanted to do it a week ago but had an event here in Switzerland so I kept Gutsy for a few days more :)
[14:59] <cheguevara_> ping apachelogger
[15:37] <apachelogger> cheguevara_: pong
[15:38] <cheguevara_> hey apachelogger
[15:38] <cheguevara_> one sec
[15:39] <cheguevara_> finding bug no
[15:40] <cheguevara_> here we go
[15:40] <cheguevara_> apachelogger, bug #202444
[15:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202444 in oxygencursors "oxygen-cursor-theme doesn't install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202444
[15:41] <apachelogger> cheguevara_: you are very welcome to provide a debdiff ;-)
[15:42] <cheguevara_> meh lol
[15:42] <jpatrick> cheguevara_: yes, he is lazy
[15:42] <jpatrick> ;-)
[15:42] <cheguevara_> its just one line :P
[15:42] <apachelogger> cheguevara_: +1 changelog entry
[15:43] <cheguevara_> true
[15:43] <cheguevara_> more karma for me i guess
[15:45] <cheguevara_> just reinstalled kubuntu and my gpg keys are missing *sigh*
[15:45] <jpatrick> cheguevara_: .... krap
[15:46] <cheguevara_> and i of course don't remember the gpg key id
[15:46] <cheguevara_> ah launchpad should
[15:47] <jpatrick> cheguevara_: you kept backups of course?
[15:47] <cheguevara_> nop
[15:47] <jpatrick> ...
[15:48] <cheguevara_> does that mean i need to get a new key?
[15:48] <jpatrick> yeah, pretty much
[15:48] <cheguevara_> all this because i wanted to try networkmanager 0.7 so much...
[15:50] <Artimus> cheguevara_: What's so special about a new version of networkmanager?
[15:50] <jpatrick> cheguevara_: check ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg
[15:51] <cheguevara_> Artimus, nothing really, just wanted to try it
[15:52] <cheguevara_> jpatrick, i wiped the partition so doubt there will be anything there
[15:52] <cheguevara_> am generating a new one now anyway
[15:52] <jpatrick> cheguevara_: always keep /home on an partition :(
[15:53] <cheguevara_> yeah
[15:53] <cheguevara_>  before i wiped i moved everythign i needed to my windows partition, but forgot taht
[15:53]  * jpatrick hgus CheGuevara
[15:53] <jpatrick> you poor thing
[15:54] <CheGuevara> heh my own fault anyway
[15:54] <CheGuevara> this addiction of mine of always wanted the latest and greatest don't end good lol
[15:54] <CheGuevara> like atm i am craving to compile kde 4.1 lol
[15:56] <jpatrick> worst I had with gpg was when kgpg crash and did something like rm -rf .gnupg
[15:56] <jpatrick> crashed*
[15:56] <CheGuevara> ouch
[15:56] <Nightrose> hmmm /me backs up her key again :P
[16:04] <CheGuevara> firegpg dont' work with ff3
[16:04] <CheGuevara> great
[16:29] <nixternal> hola!
[16:29] <jpatrick> hola nixternal
[16:30] <CheGuevara> hey nixternal
[16:30] <nixternal> howdy
[16:31] <CheGuevara> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12695925/oxygencursors_0.0.2008-01-27-a7b68163e7c8ccc1376-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[16:31] <CheGuevara> here we go
[16:33] <CheGuevara> *pokes apachelogger*
[16:34] <CheGuevara> or whoever else feels like uploading
[16:37]  * apachelogger points at jpatrick
[16:39] <CheGuevara> god you are lazy :P
[16:39] <nixternal> got an ffe for it?
[16:39] <nixternal> if we upload it now, we won't see it until after the freeze
[16:40] <apachelogger> nixternal: it's a fix
[16:40] <CheGuevara> yeah
[16:40] <nixternal> then upload it
[16:40] <nixternal> I have been running my own package for those
[16:40] <CheGuevara> who? :P
[16:41] <nixternal> since nobody seems to be updating them in svn or git or whatever
[16:41]  * apachelogger points at jpatrick
[16:43] <CheGuevara> aww he ran away :P
[16:44] <smarter> Could someone please upload http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin -0ubuntu2? It's a bugfix
[16:44]  * apachelogger points at jpatrick
[16:45] <CheGuevara> lol
[16:45]  * nixternal points at jpatrick
[16:45] <nixternal> screw it, if apachelogger is going to point, then so am I ;p
[16:45] <smarter> poor jpatrick :P
[16:45]  * nixternal goes back to reading horrid emails
[16:46] <smarter> oh, scim just popped up again
[16:46] <CheGuevara> can't we point at Riddell :P
[16:47] <CheGuevara> scim is in my kde 4 tray
[16:47] <CheGuevara> with its ugly gnome icons
[16:47] <smarter> mine doesn't even have a systray
[16:47] <smarter> just a toolbar
[16:47] <smarter> and an ugly gtk style
[16:53] <jpatrick> pingage of doom
[16:53] <jpatrick> luckly I use away_hilight_notice.pl
[16:57] <CheGuevara> can you upload then :P
[16:58] <jpatrick> what do you think I'm doing...
[16:58] <CheGuevara> never know lol
[16:58] <CheGuevara> thanks
[16:59] <jpatrick> had to install cdbs, dput, debhelper
[16:59] <CheGuevara> have you just reinstalled as well?
[16:59] <jpatrick> yeah, formated last week
[17:00] <CheGuevara> ah
[17:00] <CheGuevara> btw kubuntu-kde4-meta is missing a depend on openoffice.org-kde, which makes ooo have no icons :P
[17:00] <CheGuevara> should i do a debdiff for that?
[17:01] <jpatrick> yeah
[17:02] <CheGuevara> on it
[17:09] <jpatrick> smarter: "dput ubuntu kde4-style-bespin_0.1\~svn080206-0ubuntu2_source.changes"
[17:09] <smarter> jpatrick: I can do that?
[17:09] <jpatrick> smarter: I just did it
[17:10] <smarter> ah ;)
[17:10] <smarter> thanks
[17:10]  * jpatrick moves in on CheGuevara's oxygen debdiff
[17:11] <CheGuevara> :P
[17:12] <jpatrick> what kinda of package has on depends?
[17:13] <jpatrick> s/on/no
[17:13] <jpatrick> "0.0.2008-01-27-a7b68163e7c8ccc1376-2ubuntu2" - evil..
[17:14] <smarter> jpatrick: my package naming scheme was better :P http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=oxygen-cursor-theme
[17:15] <CheGuevara> it does now :P
[17:15] <CheGuevara> hmmm
[17:15] <CheGuevara> do we want just the icons
[17:15] <CheGuevara> or the whole -kde package
[17:16] <CheGuevara> makes openoffice.org have kde 3 dialogs
[17:16] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: oxygen-cursor-theme-extra depends on xcursor-themes, what about oxygen-cursor-theme ?
[17:17] <CheGuevara> oh feck
[17:17] <jpatrick> should I just copy&paste?
[17:18] <smarter> doesn't it just works with ${shlibs:Depends} ?
[17:18] <CheGuevara> jpatrick, yes please
[17:18] <jpatrick> smarter: no binaries in a cursor them
[17:18] <CheGuevara> doubt it, because the dependency is due to update-alternatives
[17:18] <jpatrick> -e*
[17:18] <CheGuevara> not because of the package
[17:21] <CheGuevara> i think i'll leave the kubuntu-kde4-meta for Riddel, since there are cd space issue, etc to think about
[17:23]  * jpatrick wonders where his uploads went
[17:24] <CheGuevara> lol
[17:25] <CheGuevara> bug #198220
[17:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198220 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "[hardy] No logout possible in KDE4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198220
[17:25] <CheGuevara> thats a weird one
[17:25] <jpatrick> "- Removed Depends, since there are no dependencies for cursor packages"
[17:25] <jpatrick> !jdong | apachelogger
[17:25] <ubotu> apachelogger: <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[17:25] <CheGuevara> lol
[17:26] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxygencursors
[17:26] <jpatrick> "hardy  frozen  universe  release"
[17:27] <CheGuevara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2008-March/000403.html
[17:27] <apachelogger> jpatrick: IIRC there onyl was shlibs
[17:28] <CheGuevara> jpatrick, so your upload in in a queue ?
[17:28] <apachelogger> which wouldn't catch up postinst stuff anyway
[17:28] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: yeah...
[17:29] <CheGuevara> aww thought it would be a soft freeze as well :P
[17:29]  * jpatrick .endUploads()
[17:30] <jpatrick> before I get lynched
[17:30] <CheGuevara> i wanna fix something else now :P
[18:52] <awen_> does anybody know how kde-guidance-powermanager picks up the events? ... i'm looking at the brightness issue, but it looks like it only picks up the down events but not the up events
[18:53] <smarter_> dcop
[18:54] <awen_> smarter_: do you know in which file to look, or where?
[18:54] <smarter_> no, grep iface in the code, you may find it
[18:54] <smarter_> or just dcop
[18:56] <awen_> smarter_: thanks
[19:06] <blueyed> Any ideas/progress on bug 185131?
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185131 in kde4libs "[GUTSY KDE4] Suspend and hibernate don't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185131
[19:06] <awen_> i've found the bindings... but who is responsible for calling power manager (using dcop) with the events when a button is pressed?
[19:15] <jpatrick> awen_: hal?
[19:18] <awen_> jpatrick: sounds reasonable... (but not a small one to dig into for that)
[19:19] <jpatrick> awen_: I once did sudo /etc/init.d/hal stop and powermanager just stopped
[19:19] <awen_> jpatrick: :)
[19:20] <jpatrick> awen_: do you mean the key binding?
[19:21] <smarter_> awen_: dcop is not used in kde4
[19:21] <smarter_> it's dbus
[19:21] <awen_> smarter_: i'm using kde3 right now
[19:21]  * jpatrick pokes smarter_'s _
[19:22] <smarter_> awen_: the bug you're pointing at concerns kde4
[19:22] <smarter_> "[20:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185131 in kde4libs "[GUTSY KDE4] Suspend and hibernate don't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185131"
[19:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185131 in kde4libs "[GUTSY KDE4] Suspend and hibernate don't work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185131
[19:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185131 in kde4libs "[GUTSY KDE4] Suspend and hibernate don't work" [High,Confirmed]
[19:22] <jpatrick> smarter: that was blueyed
[19:22] <awen_> jpatrick: thanks ;)
[19:22] <smarter> oh yes
[19:23] <awen_> jpatrick: the problem is, that i press the button; the events get picked up by acpid (i can see it in the log)... but guidance-power-manager doesn't pick it up
[19:23] <smarter> I was confused 'cause Konversation use the same color for their nicks ;)
[19:23] <jpatrick> awen_: hmm, I wish I knew more about coding..
[19:23] <jpatrick> awen_: maybe asking sebas might help, I believe I helped write powermanager
[19:24] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: You believe that you helped?
[19:24] <jpatrick> him*
[19:24] <jpatrick> he*
[19:24] <awen_> i can check that the integration with dcop works (executing the event from kdcop works) ... but i have no idea who translates the acpi event into a dcop event
[19:24]  * smarter looks at the code
[19:25] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: :p
[19:26] <awen_> jpatrick: okay... let's see if sebas has a good idea
[19:26] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: :) what? I was laughing like crazy
[19:30] <smarter> awen_: I don't think guidance-power-manager is used when you press a button
[19:30] <smarter> acpid does his own things
[19:31] <awen_> smarter: it shows me a nice pop-up :) ... so it does something
[19:39] <awen_> yeah, kde-guidance-powermanagers part of the brightness changing works now... now it is just the events behaving incorrectly
[19:39] <DaSkreech> can anyone give me a handle on if KDE 4.1 alpha packages are planned?
[19:40] <DaSkreech> I know they are traditioanlly provided but they come out about the same time as Hardy
[19:40] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: Debian is getting them soon
[19:40] <DaSkreech> 4.1 packages are planned on Debian?
[19:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm cool
[19:41]  * jpatrick loves hanging out in #debian-qt-kde
[19:41] <DaSkreech> They have a #debian-kde and a #debian-qt-kde ?
[19:41] <DaSkreech> are they planning a gtk fork of KDE ?
[19:41] <jpatrick> -kde is for support
[19:42] <nareshov> heh
[19:42] <DaSkreech> ah and the -dev[e][l] moniker is overused I guess
[19:42] <DaSkreech> or maybe they have a thing against ruby and python KDE apps :)
[19:43] <nareshov> ruby/python KDE apps are in qt-bindings of ruby/python anyway
[19:46]  * DaSkreech prods nixternal with a Buju "inspiration roll"
[20:09] <awen_> Riddell: I have a fix for the brightness problem you pointed out (sadly we have a hal/dcop error also, but the kde-guidance part is fixed)... do you have a bug report for it, i should attach it to?
[20:10] <smarter> mmh, why is there a powermanage.py and powermanage.py.new in the guidance source?
[20:12] <awen_> smarter: because it is a +svn type package, and the devs were in the process of rewriting the file?
[20:13] <awen_> Riddell: in any case I've uploaded it to http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[20:14] <awen_> smarter: if you press brightness down or brightness up, does a popup appear near the panel (on kde3)... and does it do it both up and down or only in one of the cases?
[20:15] <awen_> or if anybody else can verify ^^^
[20:15] <smarter> if I use the brightness key nothing appears but it works
[20:16] <smarter> if I use dcop it doesn't work and a pop-up appears with "Brightness: 0%"
[20:16] <awen_> smarter: it's the second part i fixed... (brightness *% getting stucked)
[20:17] <awen_> there is some strange things regarding those brightness events
[20:18] <awen_> smarter: the debdiff above should make the popup work (when you use dcop)
[20:21]  * smarter tests...
[20:26] <jpatrick> hey claydoh
[20:28] <claydoh> hi jpatrick
[20:29] <claydoh> another week done , only 57 hours this week :)
[20:36] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: ping
[20:36] <jpatrick> oh no, forget it
[22:00]  * awen_ gives up ... can't find out who is responsible for connecting the acpi-events and kde-guidance-powermanager
[22:01] <CheGuevara> jpatrick, you called?
[22:02] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: nothing, I misread something
[22:02] <CheGuevara> oh kk
[22:11] <CheGuevara> jpatrick, is #debian-qt-kde private or smthing
[22:11] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: it's on OFTC
[22:12] <CheGuevara> oh right
[22:12] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: /connect irc.oftc.org
[22:12] <jpatrick> .net*
[22:13] <CheGuevara> thx
[23:53] <awen_> does anyone know when Lure normally is around?
[23:54]  * awen_ found what handles the key-events for brightness... kubuntu-patch made by Lure in KMilo
[23:58] <ScottK2> awen_: He's in Europe (France IIRC).


[16:47] <ludo6431_> hello, i'm testing the ubuntu 10.10 maverick beta (up to date), i'm asked to 'enter the "Default" keyring password to unlock it' when i wanna change some things. The problem is that i don't konw this password and it appears to be different than my account password. How can i know it ? or reset it ? (i just installed the beta yesterday)
[16:48] <ludo6431_> is it a setup problem ?
[16:48] <ludo6431_> i should reinstall ubuntu ?
[16:48] <ludo6431_> thanks
[17:07] <kuleszdl> [17:57:29] <kuleszdl> Hi there.
[17:07] <kuleszdl> [17:58:37] <kuleszdl> I just tried to run a few Laptop Test Cases on my Thinkpad T30, and I am sorry to say, but the existing test plan and especially the wiki templates really suck.
[17:07] <kuleszdl> [18:00:27] <kuleszdl> There is a huge lack of standardization, the "template" (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Reports/Template) lacks essential stuff like a remarks section or some system specification details. It's even not clear how to name the system under test, since the start page uses different namings etc.
[17:07] <kuleszdl> (propably here is the proper place for discussing this)


[00:08] <CarlFK> cjwatson: someone might want to put a dummy /boot/grub/menu.txt/lst with a note: you want to edit -> /etc/default/grub
[01:02] <xivulon> evand I think we will need build 136, can you please make it available?
[21:55] <cr3> hi folks, I need to obtain the pxelinux.0 file corresponding to a desktop image. originally, I thought I could extract the file from the squashfs: unsquashfs filesystem.squashfs -e /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0
[21:56] <cr3> the problem with this approach is that unsquashfs might be run on hardy for a filesystem.squashfs generated on karmic, which have different versions
[21:57] <cr3> so, should I use pxelinux.0 from the syslinux package corresponding to the karmic series on archive.ubuntu.com or should I grab the file directly from the archive: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.0


[00:00] <timroth> #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:31] <Fudge> would xubuntu run any good on 1gig ram with a 2ghz athlon 3200
[01:32] <GridCube> yes
[01:32] <Fudge> thans GridCube
[01:33] <GridCube> np
[01:33] <Fudge> now would i be better off using vinux to install xubuntu-desktop on or trying to install xubuntu or get a tar of a vanilla install i can use. im blind and use screen readers
[01:33]  * Fudge pings charlie-tca
[01:34] <GridCube> i don't know Fudge :(
[01:35] <Fudge> mm
[01:35] <Fudge> me neither loL
[01:36] <GridCube> Fudge, I would probably go and install vinux and then do a xubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <Fudge> cool
[01:37] <Fudge> sounds like a plan, ill just kill xdm gdm what ever and startx
[01:37] <Unit193> !purexfce | Fudge
[01:37] <Fudge> Unit193  ive come across that before thanks muchly
[01:38] <GridCube> but you might even try to install xubuntu vanilla using the livecd and manually installing a screen reader to it to use the installer, Fudge
[01:38] <Fudge> dont think it would hurt leaving them there though would it, for gtk dependencies i may need?
[01:38] <GridCube> they shouldn load so it would not matter if they are there or not
[01:38] <Fudge> could try that too GridCube , whats the installer? ubiquity like ubuntu
[01:39] <Unit193> Well, I would think there might be a little clash (nautilus)
[01:39] <Fudge> i need that
[01:39] <Fudge> hense the things i need :D
[01:40] <GridCube> Fudge, yes xubuntu uses ubiquity
[01:40] <Fudge> is the new ver out yet?
[01:40] <GridCube> in less than two weeks
[01:40] <GridCube> :)
[01:40] <Fudge> oh man
[01:40] <Fudge> ill have to wait
[01:41] <GridCube> well thats for the final beta
[01:41] <Fudge> the box im thinking of i thought the onboard vid was stuffed, ofc i was still using it but then when i plugged this one in my monitor still didnt work lol
[01:41] <Unit193> Nope, it will be out in 7-8 days
[01:41] <Fudge> xubuntu builds at the same time doesnt it?
[01:42] <Fudge> hense no delay waiting for xubuntu post oneiric release schedule
[01:42] <GridCube> nope same date
[01:43] <Fudge> sw33t
[01:44] <Fudge> Unit193  i seem to be following you around
[01:44] <Unit193> Fudge: Yep. Stalker...
[01:44] <Fudge> loL
[01:52] <Fudge> charlie-tca  you need to invest in cdrw's
[01:52] <Fudge> loL
[01:52] <Unit193> Fudge: Mind joining us on offtopic? It's not too noisy to try
[01:53] <Fudge> sure
[06:18] <uofm49426> every time i reboot my sound mixer is alway mute well the front mixer
[06:19] <uofm49426> using xubuntu 10.10 have hda ati sb
[06:23] <uofm49426> do i have to save mixer settings
[07:55] <anthony> is there anyway to get my dual monitor setup to not mirror in xubuntu?
[07:55] <Guest92676> to extend rather
[07:55] <Guest92676> than mirror
[07:56] <Sysi> use arandr or grandr or ati or nvidia tool
[08:00] <Guest92676> won't let me open ati catalyst as admin
[08:00] <Guest92676> for some reason
[08:02] <Guest92676> When i click on ATI Catalyst Control it wont let me open as admin
[08:03] <Sysi> it asks for a passwd and then just won't open?
[08:03] <Sysi> or what
[08:03] <Guest92676> doesn't prompt for password
[08:03] <Guest92676> I click and nothing happens
[08:05] <Sysi> try "gksudo $APPNAME" in terminal, you can find out $APPNAME by typing couple of characters and pressing tab (twice)
[08:27] <Guest92676> sysi
[08:28] <Guest92676> I tried to run it it prompts me for password
[08:28] <Guest92676> then nothing comes up
[08:28] <Guest92676> after i enter password
[08:31] <Sysi> any messages in terminal?
[08:43] <Guest92676> i don't think so
[09:31] <anthony_> Can anybody help me get my dual monitor setup to span horizontally as opposed to mirroring each other, for some strange reason i can't open administrative catalyst control center
[09:39] <TheSheep> what is administrative catalyst?
[09:40] <anthony_> ATI Catalyst Control Center (Administrative)
[09:45] <TheSheep> I'm pretty sure that's not a part of xubuntu
[09:46] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the result of 'xrandr'?
[09:48] <anthony_> well i have an ATI video card
[09:49] <anthony_> im gonna crash out, ill mess with it tomorrow
[09:49] <anthony_> thanks though
[09:56] <madnick> anthony_:
[09:56] <madnick> i dont think you can open the GUI one because it wont prompt for password
[09:56] <madnick> so use the terminal and type sudo amdcccle
[09:57] <madnick> it will open the gui one
[09:57] <knome> gksudo ?:P
[09:57] <madnick> yes
[09:57] <madnick> that is a good idea
[09:58] <madnick> But does xubuntu ship with it?
[09:58] <knome> it should be installed
[09:59] <csenger41> hy everyone :)
[09:59] <knome> hello
[10:00] <csenger41> knome: how can give executable bit for an EXE file on an NTFS partition?
[10:00] <knome> !ntfs
[10:00] <knome> first make sure it's in writable state
[10:01] <knome> after that, it should be exactly the same as with every other fs: 'chmod +x filename'
[10:03] <m6locks> might need some precompiled modules installed for kernel
[10:04] <m6locks> whoops, *zzzap*
[10:17] <csenger41> ok, editing done, gonna restart, lets hope it will work XD
[10:27] <Zenger> Hi guys, can you please tell me how to start the "close,minimize,maximize and the title bar" , they dissapeared
[10:27] <Zenger> i've tried xfwm4
[10:27] <Zenger> it gives a bunch of errors and does nothing :(
[10:28] <Zenger> even with --replace
[13:48] <mattt_> My screen is going blank on boot - same thing happened during the install and I had to specify the nomodereset (I think) option.  But now that xUbuntu is installed I'm encountering the same issue, even when booting in recovery mode.
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> mattt_: you'll need to add the kernel boot option permanantly in grub
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[13:50] <mattt_> Which option?  "nomodereset"?
[13:50] <well_laid_lawn> if that's what works yes
[13:51] <well_laid_lawn> you can try it at one boot only by editing the kernel line at the grub prompt
[13:51] <mattt_> yeah that's what I'm doing, just can't remember exactly what the option was
[13:51] <mattt_> ah, nomodeset
[13:51] <well_laid_lawn> there you go :)
[14:09] <ikonia> part
[14:09] <ikonia> damn
[15:01] <Name141> is there a way to get that 'old' xubuntu look in 11.04?
[15:01] <Name141> Where you have places/applications at the top
[15:01] <cYmen> I need something to throttle my cpu when the temperature gets to 95 degrees.  I see that all that stuff is on the left now with a little icon to click it seems, rather than the whatever it's called that comes up at the bottom that reminds me of 'quick launch' in windows
[15:04] <charlie-tca> !language | cYmen
[15:04] <ElderDryas> cYmen: Please tell me that's 100F not C
[15:05] <cYmen> ElderDryas: that's not what the sensors say...
[15:05] <Sysi> shutting down at 100C sounds normal
[15:05] <cYmen> but maybe that's just a wrong setting
[15:05] <ElderDryas> Sorry all, I just had problems imagining a computer that I could biol my water for tea :)
[15:06] <cYmen> well..if you have suggestions how I can check
[15:06] <Name141> knome: it seems that 11.04 would be ok then.  When is 11.10 schedualed ?
[15:06] <cYmen> I just installed lm-sensors because the damn thing kept shutting down. :)
[15:12] <knome> Name141, 13.10.
[15:12] <knome> Name141, one week
[15:24] <ElderDryas> cYmen: I reallycant help with the lm-sensors or such, but I'd look hard at my hardware, software and environment as to why my computer regularly (?) got to a temp 100C.  Does the fan work? Are the air vents clear? Is the computer placed somewhere that has good airflow?  What am I doing on the computer that makes the cpu(s) work so hard? Things like that
[15:59] <Name141> knome: seems like it'd be a waste of time then to go on and install 11.04 since I'd have to go on and update in a week
[16:00] <knome> Name141, if you can, i think it makes sense to wait.
[16:00] <Sysi> 11.04 will be supported for a year after 11.10 release but if you see it that way, 11.10 should work pretty well already if you grab daily build
[16:01] <ElderDryas> Name141: For what it's worth, the 11.10B2 I installed (and update daily) appears extremely stab;e (fo me).  You might want to look at that if you're anxious to upgrade
[16:01] <Name141> ElderDryas: I'm just looking to get off of XP since I'm not gaming on this machine anymore.  Unity they are pushing on Ubuntu users for some reason is a pile of junk.
[16:02] <ElderDryas> Then the daily build (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/) that Sysi mention might be worth looking at
[16:03] <ElderDryas> And you can do it today :)
[16:03] <Name141> ElderDryas: I'm on limited bandwith. My FAP limit is 425 MBs per rolling 24 hours.
[16:03] <Name141> so.. no I can't do it today lol
[16:04] <Name141> 1-6  AM is "unlimited" though (about 2 GBs is all I can get in)
[16:04] <Name141> so.. I guess I could schedual it for then .. but.. then.. I'd have a whole bunch of updates later?
[16:05] <Sysi> on daily-built image, no
[16:05] <ElderDryas> with the daily build the updates should be minimal
[16:05] <Name141> ahh.. I think I'll just wait.  I mean .. it's only a week.
[16:06] <Name141> That'll give me time to move everything over on the next partition and not forget anything on C: I hope :D
[16:07] <Name141> The next question is, with a E2160 and 2GBs of 667 DDR2 RAM.. I'm assuming I wont notice any difference in 32 and 64 bit ?
[16:08] <ElderDryas> on my dell 1420, on inital boot, with 32 bit I use ~160MB, with 64 bit I use ~225MB (last time T looked)
[16:09] <Name141> This is an Inspiron 530.  And the last mistake I'll make
[16:09] <Name141> (prebuilt machine = mistake)
[16:09] <ElderDryas> It's a bit hard to custom build a laptop, not impossible I guess, but hard :)
[16:10] <Name141> that's a mistake itself :D
[16:12] <ElderDryas> I have built more desktop machine than I can count (back in the day, that was the ONLY way). I don't do anything anymore that requires brute power, and I can't be bothered to expend the time and energy to research, acquire parts  and build a machine anymore
[16:13] <Name141> I was just saying that laptops usually break in the pack at the plugin deal from unplugging re-plugging
[16:15] <Name141> back
[16:15] <ElderDryas> but back to 32 vs 64...unless you do anything that will benifit from 64 bit (video transcription, etc), then with 2 GIG RAM, I see no reason to use 64 bit.  On the other hand my laptop has 2 gig and I don't do anything like video, but I use the 64 bit :)
[16:15] <Name141> I wont be doing that stuff on my E2160.
[16:16] <Name141> I doubt I'll ever bother buying it more RAM either
[16:16] <ElderDryas> But that's because I'm lazy...I keep hoping that my kids will get me 4GIG of RAM for B-Day or X-mas, then all I need to do is plug it in
[16:17] <Name141> RAM is only around $40 now for 2GBs or so ? o.O
[16:17] <Name141> sometimes 4
[16:17] <ElderDryas> I guess, I never look...I just tell the kids "Gimmie" :)
[16:17] <Name141> Maybe I need to get me a few money slaves ...err kids then :D
[16:19] <Name141> Think I can adopt one that's 17.11 ?
[16:19] <Name141> with .1 (one month) left to file the adoption papers..
[16:19] <Name141> then be like "Get to work!"
[16:19] <Name141> er.. anyway
[16:20] <ElderDryas> Money Slaves?  Obviously you've never put 3 daughters thru college?
[16:21] <Name141> ..oh snap
[16:21] <Name141> I didn't even put myself through college... but I keep.. thinking about it.. I mean it's not.. TOO late..
[16:23] <ElderDryas> "back to work" :)  2GIG of RAM is usually plenty, even with 64bit.  The only time I ever got close to SWAP was when a PFD to EPUB translation went into an endless loop.  Other than than that I can't remember the last time I even got close to using 1GIG in normal use.
[16:24] <ElderDryas> So...you pays your money and takes your chances...
[16:29] <ElderDryas> One more thing (then I'll shut up, promise). I'm pretty sure (can someone confirm/deny this?) that Xubuntu 64 bit installs the 32 bit libraries, so if you need a 32 bit app, no problem.
[16:44] <Name141> eh.. I'll just install 32
[16:46] <knome> ElderDryas, 32-bit applications will work on 64-bit too
[19:48] <landley> I used usb-creator-gtk in xubuntu 10.04.02 to make a beta2 install key.
[19:48] <landley> It defaulted to 128 meg home partition.
[19:49] <landley> This filled up downloading updates, causing the install to throw errors while still asking questions.
[19:50] <landley> I rebooted, but the partition was still full and the boot hung in text mode after failing to find/mount network drives.
[19:51] <landley> Making a new usb stick with ramfs /home now.
[19:51] <landley> Not exactly thrilled by the experience so far.
[19:51] <TheSheep> apt-get clean <-- this removes the downloaded packages
[19:52] <landley> It does not reboot.
[19:52] <landley> Tried three times.
[19:52] <landley> Cannot boot from usb key with full /home partition.
[19:53] <TheSheep> um, apt-get doesn't download to /home
[19:53] <TheSheep> it downloads to /usr/lib afair
[19:53] <TheSheep> or /var
[19:53] <landley> when booting install cd from a usb key?
[19:54] <TheSheep> well, I don't know if that's different
[19:54] <TheSheep> might be, because it would be the only writable place if booted from cd
[19:55] <landley> I'm just telling you what it did, I have no idea why it did it.
[19:56] <landley> "Install went down in flames, thought you might want to know."
[19:56] <TheSheep> not really, but you might want to file a bug report so that the actual devs would look at it
[19:56] <TheSheep> this channel is mostly users
[20:07] <Name141> What does encrypt home actually do?


[02:38] <teward> jcastro: you're right I should.  Someone already gave me the funds though
[02:38] <teward> jcastro: apparently, the open source community likes helping the open source community :)
[02:38] <teward> jcastro: will remember going forward :)
[03:33] <slow_> lf someone to help me on this step setting up openvpn
[03:39] <slow_> ??
[04:03] <slow_> lf someone to help me on this step setting up openvpn
[04:03] <slow_> ??
[04:06] <tarpman> slow_: if you have a question to ask, please ask it
[04:06] <slow_> how do i get my certificates and such to connect via my computer to my openvpn setup on my vps
[05:25] <slow_> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/cuOsa5X1l0zzKgAWFLWN/
[05:25] <slow_> can someone help w/ this?
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[09:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[15:36] <th3s3_3y3s_> Morning lordievader
[15:39] <temp21321> hello there, I got small web market and I needed some simple smtp server for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:39] <temp21321> What can I use for this ?
[15:39] <temp21321> postfix looking a bit hard
[15:40] <temp21321> also server is under ubuntu
[15:42] <RoyK> postfix is easy and lightweight
[15:42] <RoyK> temp21321: do you need a poe as well?
[15:42] <RoyK> poa
[15:42] <temp21321> what is poa ?
[15:42] <RoyK> post office agent
[15:42] <RoyK> somewhere to store the email
[15:43] <RoyK> the mta just moves it on the wire or otherwise
[15:43] <RoyK> postfix doesn't support things like pop3 or imap
[15:43] <temp21321> I need to connect with thunderbird
[15:43] <temp21321> on my smtp server
[15:43] <temp21321> to answer my users
[15:43] <temp21321> from support mailbox
[15:43] <RoyK> where's the support mailbox?
[15:44] <temp21321> I mean I need some tools to answer emails from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:44] <temp21321> sorry, my english not perfect
[15:44] <RoyK> if you want the mailbox to reside on your server, you'll need something in addition to just the MTA
[15:44] <temp21321> so I cant understand some
[15:44] <RoyK> postfix is an MTA, mail transport agent
[15:45] <RoyK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[15:45] <temp21321> seems I need mta
[15:47] <temp21321> I need smtp server that will receive mail on my domain and can provide smtp auth for thunderbird, to connect
[15:47] <temp21321> Users will send email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I need to watch this mails
[15:48] <temp21321> Also postfix can provide sending email from php
[15:49] <RoyK> php can send email through any MTA
[15:49] <RoyK> but I guess you also need somewhere to store the messages before they are picked up
[15:54] <temp21321> RoyK: yes
[15:54] <temp21321> RoyK: postfix cant do this?
[15:59] <RoyK> temp21321: postfix is an MTA, not something that handles storing/accessing email
[15:59] <RoyK> temp21321: most people use dovecot or cyrus imap or something - see the link I posted above
[16:40] <dhia> i want to make an online virtuelle machine with apache server plz who can help me
[16:44] <Sling> dhia: what have you tried so far?
[16:45] <dhia> i installed apache and k
[16:45] <dhia> kvm and qemu
[16:46] <dhia> i tried to configure apache on kvm but i failed
[16:46] <RoyK> dhia: you don't need apache on the host for the guest to have it
[16:47] <dhia> ok i undrestand but the want to atteind the execution of kvm on mozilla by apache
[16:47] <dhia> localhost


[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[15:09] <Laney> bluesabre: Just reviewed gmusicbrowser - it's conventional to give -v<last version in Ubuntu> to dpkg-buildpackage/debuild when building source packages for merges
[15:09] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New#Uploading_a_merge
[22:07] <bluesabre> Laney: noted, thanks :)


[10:01] <razan> hello
[10:01] <razan> do you know if there is an incompatibility between vmware workstation 16 and ubutn 20.04 kernel ?
[10:02] <razan> My workstation 16  always freeze on my ubuntu 20.04
[13:48] <Kon> Does hwe-edge ever miss out on security updates which HWE recieves? Especially during windows like this one where there is no hirsuite kernel?
[14:21] <apw> Kon, hwe-edge is normally kept as up to date as its primary, for focal that is a 5.8 and coming from groovy, so receiving full updates
[14:31] <Kon> Okay, thank you. Just realized a scroll through the changelog could have provided the details


[00:13]  * thinkmassive wants an eeepc
[01:36] <rdehler> i'm on xubuntu hardy, mounting a samba share with this command `sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=$USER //dotfs1/dotster dotster/ -o gid=users,dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777,rw`, it mouts and I can see it, but i can't write to the share, it has permissions 0770 despite my explicitly setting it to 0777.  if i run smbclient and connect to it with same user details, i can see that the directories are 777.  any ideas?
[01:46] <thinkmassiv1> I have a ThinkPad X61 Tablet and I'm trying to optimize battery life, but I see 2 packages in the repos that do the same thing: cpufreqd & cpudyn
[01:47] <thinkmassiv1> does anyone know the difference?
[01:48] <kingair_six> evening everyone, I got a problem with wifi-radar. I got to use it cause nm kinda was not working any more. now the thing is, i can see my network, and attempt connecting to it, but it wont retrieve an IP from the DHCP host. then it just says not able to connect. the wifi pc card is a broadcom 4318 chipset, belkin 7010. any ideas?
[01:51] <rdehler> looks like w/o sudo i can do it
[01:52] <thinkmassiv1> kingair_six: do you see an ip when you run ifconfig?
[01:55] <kingair_six> no
[01:56] <thinkmassiv1> try: sudo dhclient wlan0
[01:58] <kingair_six> it says unknown device wmaster0, and then listening on <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:58] <kingair_six> it seems it recognizes the device and also sees the dhcp host
[02:00] <thinkmassiv1> are you using encryption
[02:03] <thinkmassiv1> maybe iwconfig will provide some insight
[02:03] <kingair_six> wep asci
[02:04] <kingair_six> iwconfig: doesnt even show an SSID
[02:04] <kingair_six> sudo dhclient wlan0: final report was: no DHCPOFFER or so
[02:04] <thinkmassiv1> cat /proc/net/wireless
[02:07] <thinkmassiv1> that should show you signal strength
[02:08] <kingair_six> all values are 0
[02:09] <thinkmassiv1> is there a physical switch that is disabling your wireless adapter?
[02:09] <kingair_six> no?
[02:10] <thinkmassiv1> "no, question mark," says kingair_six
[02:10] <thinkmassiv1> that's something that would be worth figuring out
[02:10] <thinkmassiv1> what type of computer?
[02:11] <kingair_six> it's an old toshiba, the wireless is a pcmcia card
[02:11] <thinkmassiv1> oh
[02:12] <thinkmassiv1> sorry, I figured it was built-in
[02:12] <kingair_six> no, i'm sorry, i did not describe it accurately
[02:13] <thinkmassiv1> what type of card?
[02:13] <kingair_six> Belkin 7010, Broadcom 4318 chipset
[02:13] <thinkmassiv1> and you're certain it worked earlier?
[02:13] <kingair_six> b43 driver from linuxwireless.org , firmware extracted with fwcutter
[02:14] <kingair_six> it never worked with linux
[02:14] <thinkmassiv1> oh ok, well that's getting somewhere
[02:15] <thinkmassiv1> I haven't heard of that method, sounds like it would be better than ndiswrapper if it works right
[02:15] <thinkmassiv1> have you tried ndiswrapper?
[02:15] <kingair_six> i have troubles installing it, since i can't get it on ethernet either, and i can't get it running from the archive only
[02:15] <kingair_six> there's some issues
[02:16] <thinkmassiv1> oh
[02:16] <thinkmassiv1> do you have a usb flash drive?
[02:16] <thinkmassiv1> this might help you: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-433030.html
[02:17] <kingair_six> well, yeah, that's how i got the  programms there in the first place, but the regular installs just wont work
[02:20] <thinkmassiv1> why didn't they work?
[02:22] <kingair_six> i don't know
[02:23] <kingair_six> i'm really a linux noob, so i'm not at all terminal savy
[02:23] <thinkmassiv1> what did the install say?
[02:23] <thinkmassiv1> you've got to pay attention to the output because that's all you have to go on ;)
[02:23] <kingair_six> error 1, and 2, somewhere along the way, what exactly, i don't recall
[02:23] <kingair_six> hm, I guess so, i just gotta work more with the terminal
[02:24] <kingair_six> i'll try the instructions now, so i'll be afk for couple of mins.
[02:43] <flotishtu> how to auto configure    dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq       .(no need to press enter or yes/no again and again) just one command. ?
[02:47] <kingair_six> thinkmassiv1: i followed the instructions, but the old driver is still in place, when i check with lshw
[02:51] <thinkmassiv1> kingair_six: did you install b43 using synaptic/apt or some other method (compiled from source)?
[02:59] <thinkmassiv1> where can I find power management preferences in 8.04?
[03:03] <SpiffyBalak> hi guys. I'm running XMMS on Hardy, and it won't play m4a files anymore. Does anyone know a way to get it working again without Audacious?
[03:10] <kingair_six> thinkmassiv1: i got some other method, namely the one described on linuxwireless.org
[03:28] <japherwocky> anyone know how to assign keyboard shortcuts?
[03:29] <favro> !shortcuts | japherwocky
[03:30] <japherwocky> thanks
[03:39] <japherwocky> actually.. that helpbot is a little inaccurate
[03:39] <japherwocky> settings -> settings manager
[03:39] <japherwocky> -> keyboard
[03:48] <thinkmassiv1> I thought I already configured power management options on this laptop under 8.04 but I can't find it again, is there a gnome-power-manager equivalent in xubuntu by default?
[04:04] <fbt> hi, I've been trying to install a webcam on xubuntu 8.04, but haven't been able to compile drivers with module-assistant
[04:48] <nubuntu_> can anyone tell me how to make a floppy from a file i have downloaded?
[04:48] <nubuntu_> when i right click on the file icon i get: open with other application, create archive, copy, cut, delete, rename, properties, and desktop.
[04:53] <nubuntu_>  i'm using xubuntu on this machine, but i need floppy to try to boot a very *old* compaq armada 4120.
[04:53] <nubuntu_> never had to burn a floppy before
[04:58] <nubuntu_> please? :)
[05:03] <favro> nubuntu_: you have to mount the floppy - sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:05] <nubuntu_> ok, so i have the floppy in the slot, then i do the sudo?
[05:07] <nubuntu_> favro, i did the sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 in the terminal and heard a little activity.  whats next? :P
[05:08] <nubuntu_> its back to command prompt
[05:11] <favro> nubuntu_: open thunar and see if the floppy shows
[05:11] <nubuntu_> k
[05:12] <nubuntu_> when i click on floppy in the left pane i get: failed to mount floppy drive
[05:13] <favro> nubuntu_: it might be a dead floppy - they are not all that reliable
[05:13] <favro> nubuntu_: did you format it?
[05:16] <fbt>  I've been trying to install a webcam on xubuntu 8.04, but haven't been able to compile drivers with module-assistant, any help¿?
[05:17] <favro> !webcam | fbt this link might help
[05:19] <nubuntu_> sorry favro, had to run out for a sec.  no, when i clicked on t'floppy drive' in the left hand pane of thunar i got a dialog box says: failed to mount floppy drive. unkown error.
[05:20] <fbt> favro: ubottu: thanks, been there, but haven't been able to install it
[05:20] <fbt> i have a problem with compiling the drivers
[05:21] <nubuntu_> favro, just reading back about dead floppy, so, just put another in and try?
[05:21] <nubuntu_> i notice these floppies say 'ibm formatted'
[05:24] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$ sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:24] <nubuntu_> [sudo] password for nubuntu:
[05:24] <nubuntu_> mount: /dev/fd0 already mounted or /media/floppy0 busy
[05:24] <nubuntu_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/floppy0
[05:24] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$
[05:26] <nubuntu_> favro, so does this mean it *is* mounted?
[05:39] <nubuntu_> favro, still here?
[05:41] <favfro> I got dropped out nubuntu_
[05:41] <nubuntu_> k
[05:42] <favfro> nubuntu_: did you format the disk?
[05:42] <nubuntu_> thunar says failed to mount, but terminal said: nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$ sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[05:42] <nubuntu_> [sudo] password for nubuntu:
[05:42] <nubuntu_> mount: /dev/fd0 already mounted or /media/floppy0 busy
[05:42] <nubuntu_> mount: according to mtab, /dev/fd0 is already mounted on /media/floppy0
[05:42] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$
[05:43] <favfro> nubuntu_: copy the file to /media/floppy) then
[05:43] <favfro> *floppy)
[05:43] <nubuntu_> ummmm, ok ... how? :(
[05:45] <favfro> nubuntu_: sudo cp -v /path/to/file /media/floppy0
[05:46] <nubuntu_> how do i identify which file to copy?  i mean, i have the file downloaded, it's an icon on my desktop
[05:47] <nubuntu_> file:///home/nubuntu/Desktop/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe is the file
[05:47] <favfro> nubuntu_: it will be in your home folder in the Desktop dir
[05:48] <nubuntu_> so, open thunar again?
[05:48] <favfro> nubuntu_: then - sudo cp -v /home/nubuntu/Desktop/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe /media/floppy0
[05:50] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$ sudo cp -v /home/nubuntu/Desktop/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe /media/floppy0
[05:50] <nubuntu_> [sudo] password for nubuntu:
[05:50] <nubuntu_> `/home/nubuntu/Desktop/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe' -> `/media/floppy0/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe'
[05:50] <nubuntu_> cp: writing `/media/floppy0/instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe': No space left on device
[05:50] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$
[05:50] <nubuntu_> but it sounds like its writing
[05:51] <nubuntu_> what does it mean 'no space left on device?
[05:51] <favfro> nubuntu_: when it stops do -  ls -a /media/floppy0
[05:52] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$ ls -a /media/floppy0
[05:52] <nubuntu_> .  ..  instluxNETOpenSuSE10_2english.exe
[05:52] <nubuntu_> nubuntu@nubuntu-desktop:~$
[05:52] <favfro> nubuntu_: it copied it then... :)
[05:53] <nubuntu_> cooOOOOooool. so i just pop that in the laptop and power up?
[05:53] <favfro> nubuntu_: now   sudo umount /dev/fd0
[05:53] <favfro> nubuntu_: then take it out
[05:53] <nubuntu_> ooooops.  i already took it out.
[05:54] <favfro> nubuntu_: try it in the laptop
[05:54] <nubuntu_> put it back in and do 'sudo umount /dev/fd0 ?
[05:54] <favfro> nubuntu_: nope
[05:55] <nubuntu_> k, plugging the laptop in
[05:59] <nubuntu_> crap.  says starting win95, then i get a page with "problem found" the file allocation tables (FATS) on this drive do not match. scandisk has determined that copy 1 is the best copy. if you choose fix it, scandisk will replace copy2 of the fat with copy 1.
[06:00] <favro> nubuntu_: is that on the floppy?
[06:00] <nubuntu_> not sure
[06:00] <nubuntu_> its on the screen
[06:01] <favro> nubuntu_: it can't be if you're booting win95
[06:01] <favro> nubuntu_: let it install the first copy
[06:01] <nubuntu_> well, i spoke too fast, i guess it may have aborted win95
[06:02] <nubuntu_> so my options are: fix it, or don't fix it; which would i choose?
[06:02] <favro> nubuntu_: fix it
[06:02] <nubuntu_> k
[06:03] <nubuntu_> nope, booting 95.... arrrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh.
[06:04] <nubuntu_> i hate windows, all windows, old windows, new windows, i hate them all
[06:06] <nubuntu_> thanks for your help tonite favro.  i think i'm too tired to go on, not seeing or thinking straight.
[06:07] <favro> nubuntu_: k - good luck
[06:07] <nubuntu_> gracias
[06:08] <fbt> favro: i am giving up on xubuntu, cant get wifi, webcam or mic working
[06:09] <favro> fbt: sorry to hear that - I don't use any of those - sorry :)
[06:09] <fbt> does ubuntu support any more hardware than xubuntu or is it just the same?
[06:09] <favro> fbt: was the webcam listed in supported hardware?
[06:10] <fbt> nope
[06:10] <favro> fbt: it is the same - the window manager and apps are the diff
[06:10] <mips`> hey there.
[06:10] <fbt> i am going to the shop tomorrow and trade it for a supported one
[06:10] <fbt> i went to an ubuntu supporter shop
[06:10] <favro> fbt: the the linux kernel prob doesn't support it either...
[06:11] <favro> *then
[06:11] <fbt> and asked specifically for an ubuntu-compatible webcam
[06:11] <fbt> they sold me this one, saying they had no more compatible webcams available
[06:11] <nubuntu_>  that's the key, is using known supported devices
[06:11] <fbt> so screw them, i want a supported one
[06:12] <mips`> heh
[06:13] <nubuntu_> i have a linksys wireless receiver that works well, tho my friend always has to config it wihen i switch machines.  a belkin usb receiver i have will not work tho.
[06:13] <fbt> i bought a nexxt pcmcia wifi card
[06:13] <nubuntu_> nite kiddoes
[06:13] <mips`> fbt: where did you buy that cam?
[06:13] <fbt> a local store
[06:13] <fbt> its  a "X5 Tech"
[06:13] <mips`> local where
[06:13] <mips`> .ca? .us?
[06:14] <fbt> .uy
[06:14] <mips`> too bad
[06:14] <mips`> if u were in the US, u wouldn't have probs with exchanging merchandising up to 3 months
[06:14] <mips`> how's that in uy?
[06:15] <fbt> i guess I shouldn 't have a problem either, since I'm  probably exchanging it for a more expensive one
[06:16] <mips`> around here, people get cocky when you wanna exchange something...
[06:16] <mips`> and they just say you can't do it if it doesn't present some sort of problem
[06:16] <mips`> and usually that can be done within 7 days, some places 3 days...
[06:16] <mips`> damn consumer's rights..
[06:17] <mips`> fbt: how much did you pay your webcam? what's the model?
[06:17] <fbt> I don't quite remember the price
[06:17] <fbt> it was pretty cheap
[06:17] <fbt> about U$S 18
[06:17] <mips`> don't you have a laptop?
[06:17] <mips`> ah ok.. no big deal
[06:18] <fbt> XW-101
[06:18] <fbt> thats the model
[06:18] <fbt> X5 Tech XW-101
[06:18] <mips`> hmm... never heard about
[06:18] <fbt> it even looks crappy
[06:18] <mips`> lol.. you should have taken a laptop with you, and tested at the store
[06:19] <mips`> i've got a lg webcam @ home, though I barely use it.. I used to have my HP Pavilion with a imbued webcam, but it died past weeks
[06:19] <mips`> they both worked fine under ubuntu
[06:20] <mips`> 'ut of the box'
[06:20] <fbt> the webcam drivers are built in with ubuntu?
[06:20] <mips`> yeap.
[06:20] <fbt> i 'm  on xubuntu 8.04
[06:20] <mips`> v4l2 supports many webcams not supported by v4l
[06:20] <mips`> v4l2 comes already enabled in ubuntu
[06:21] <mips`> how have you been testing your webcam?
[06:21] <mips`> try with ekiga
[06:21] <fbt> i installed cameramonitor
[06:21] <fbt> easycam
[06:21] <fbt> camorama
[06:22] <mips`> nope
[06:22] <mips`> dont use them
[06:22] <mips`> try with ekiga
[06:22] <mips`> some of those apps are older than v4l2 so they might not work with your cam
[06:22] <mips`> I dunno why
[06:23] <fbt> i got ekiga installed
[06:25] <mips`> try to open it
[06:25] <mips`> and check your cam
[06:25] <mips`> by the way have you checked at the dmesg if it is detected during the boot?
[06:25] <mips`> is it USB?
[06:25] <fbt> yes
[06:25] <fbt> it is USB
[06:26] <sadasd> hello is there anyway to install vmware or virtualbox?
[06:26] <mips`> try lsusb
[06:26] <mips`> and check if it detects your cam
[06:26] <mips`> menele: why wouldnt?
[06:26] <menele> /whois
[06:26] <menele> mips` good, got any tutorial?
[06:26] <fbt> lsusb
[06:27] <fbt> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 17a1.0128
[06:27] <mips`> fbt: hmm.. u suspect thats your cam
[06:28] <fbt> yep
[06:28] <fbt> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[06:34] <mips`> fbt: did you check in ekiga?
[06:36] <fbt> yep
[06:36] <fbt> gave up
[06:36] <fbt> too tired
[06:41] <mips`> hm
[06:41] <mips`> maybe it is just not compatible.. did you check that FCC ID?
[06:41] <fbt> nope
[06:41] <mips`> check on the cam, probably under it there's a FCC id
[06:42] <mips`> maybe you can look for compatible drivers
[08:12] <ere> hi
[08:12] <ere> how do I install virtualbox or vmware??
[08:14] <ere> anyone??
[08:15] <portentum> ere: VirtualBox binaries can be found here: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[08:16] <ere> portentum:  on playform what should I select?
[08:17] <portentum> Are you running 64-bit or x86 Xubuntu?
[08:17] <ere> intel, i guess i386 right?
[08:17] <ere> intel pentium 4
[08:18] <portentum> yes, that'd be the one
[08:18] <ere> ubuntu then?
[08:18] <ere> there is no xubuntu
[08:18] <portentum> yep
[08:18] <ere> ok
[08:18] <ere> let's see
[08:30] <ere> thanks portentum !
[08:30] <portentum> glad I could help :)
[08:30] <ere> yes you did!
[08:30] <ere> worked fine! let me install other os
[08:30] <ere> could you paste me again the site please?
[08:31] <gynterk> Hello
[08:31] <portentum> https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_SMI-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=innotek-1.6-G-F@CDS-CDS_SMI
[08:31] <gynterk> Volume control plugin and battery plugin aint working again
[08:31] <gynterk> http://pastebin.com/m47a57d69
[08:32] <gynterk> had the same problem long time ago, but then a week after disappearing they started to work again, and how dissapeared again
[08:34] <gynterk> hmm
[08:34] <gynterk> it seems this might be caused by xscreensaver
[08:34] <gynterk> or not
[08:34] <ere> The VirtualBox kernel driver is not accessible to the current user. Make sure that the user has write permissions for /dev/vboxdrv by adding them to the vboxusers groups. You will need to logout for the change to take effect..
[08:35] <ere> how do i do that??
[08:37] <gynterk> Hmm
[08:37] <gynterk> i just figured out whats the problem
[08:37] <gynterk> its Human theme
[08:37] <gynterk> I only get the error if I use Human theme
[08:37] <gynterk> odd
[08:37] <portentum> weird, glad you could sort it out though
[08:38] <gynterk> its reported bug too
[08:38] <gynterk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-mixer/+bug/90261
[08:40] <overrider> hello, what is a recommended program to run a virtual windows? vmware or parallels? thanks
[08:40] <gynterk> MS CD + Install + /part '
[08:41] <overrider> gynterk, sorry, you mean go for a dual-boot ?
[08:41] <gynterk> depends what you want
[08:41] <gynterk> if you want to use win ocassionally, would be good idea
[08:41] <overrider> gynterk, to be honest, i just need to access movie content from a online study thingy which only seems to like internet explorer
[08:41] <gynterk> if you have machine good enough to run win in linux then run virtually
[08:41] <gynterk> hmm
[08:42] <gynterk> run IE via wine?
[08:43] <portentum> ies4linux seems to be a good solution for such things
[08:44] <overrider> hmm thanks
[08:49] <gynterk> whats the command for hibernate?
[08:49] <gynterk> need to add it to battery monitor
[08:50] <gynterk>  /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh?
[08:52] <portentum> google seems to think so, can't hurt to try :x
[09:54] <KillerOrca> anyone have experience with openbox?
[09:57] <favro> KillerOrca: I use fluxbox which is similar
[10:03] <KillerOrca> favro: well do you know how to set autologin?
[10:04] <favro> KillerOrca: which login manager are you using?
[10:05] <KillerOrca> favro: how would I find out
[10:06] <favro> KillerOrca: try in a terminal -   ls /etc/init.d | grep *dm
[10:08] <KillerOrca> favro: no output
[10:08] <favro> KillerOrca: my bad -  try in a terminal -   ls /etc/init.d | grep dm
[10:08] <KillerOrca> gdm
[10:24] <favro> KillerOrca: found this seems good - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=303319
[10:30] <KillerOrca> favro: I will check it out
[10:40] <KillerOrca> does anyone know hoe to autostart applications in openbox too?
[11:44] <NewtoXubuntu> xubuntu wont detect my webcam
[11:44] <NewtoXubuntu> can someone help me
[11:45] <holyguyve7>  Hello, I restarted my computer & in both xchat & xchat--gnome my irc server lists got deleted. Is there anyway for me to fetch those lists or import them?
[11:46] <NewtoXubuntu> hello anybody there....?
[11:46] <holyguyve7> Yes I am here
[11:46] <holyguyve7> Need help?
[11:46] <NewtoXubuntu> can u help me to setup my web cam
[11:46] <holyguyve7> Sure :)
[11:47] <holyguyve7> Is it USB?
[11:47] <NewtoXubuntu> it a380 usb web cam
[11:47] <holyguyve7> Brillient :)
[11:47] <holyguyve7> Alright, let me look it up :)
[11:47] <NewtoXubuntu> i have the windows drives
[11:48] <holyguyve7> Windows drivers are not linux drivers though I will not work
[11:49] <NewtoXubuntu> yes,is there any way to find a linux one
[11:49] <holyguyve7> Yes, that is what I am doing for you right now :)
[11:49] <TheSheep> they are usually built in
[11:49] <holyguyve7> Yes that is true, & I am looking to see if that is the case too
[11:49] <TheSheep> meaning that if your web cam is not working out of the box, it might be a little troublesome to get it working
[11:49] <NewtoXubuntu>  :-)
[11:50] <holyguyve7> What brand is your webcam?
[11:50] <NewtoXubuntu> web cam works on windows
[11:50] <holyguyve7> my webcam does not work out of the box neather, but with the instalation of a few drivers it works fine :)
[11:51] <holyguyve7> NewtoXubuntu what brand is your cam?
[11:52] <holyguyve7> You gave me the modal number but not the brand
[11:52] <NewtoXubuntu> its CNLTF A380
[11:52] <holyguyve7> Thank you :)
[11:53] <NewtoXubuntu> i think its chinese
[11:53] <NewtoXubuntu>  :-)
[11:53] <holyguyve7> I think you are out of luck :(
[11:53] <NewtoXubuntu> why
[11:54] <NewtoXubuntu> is there any generic driver
[11:54] <holyguyve7> Because I could find any information on your cam, like as if it doesn't exist, so either you bought some very cheap cam made by some unknown vendor, or else you did not give my the currect brand name.
[11:54] <holyguyve7> But do not worry we can try another methid :)
[11:55] <NewtoXubuntu> i can send you the windows drivers will that help? :-)
[11:55] <holyguyve7> Now how have you been trying to test the cam to see if it works?
[11:55] <mikeab> hi cannel
[11:55] <holyguyve7> No sending me the windows drivers would not help
[11:55]  * mikeab is using Xubuntu but don't know how to change my password using GUI, any ideas ?
[11:56] <TheSheep> mikeab: system->users and griups
[11:56] <TheSheep> groups
[11:56] <holyguyve7> NewtoXubuntu , how have you been trying to test the webcam on xubuntu to see if it works?
[11:56] <mikeab> TheSheep, but will that me to change my password, I'm a non-administrator and a LDAP user
[11:57] <mikeab> I'm not getting my user listed in that window, ofcourse I can use passwd command on terminal to change my password, but I'm looking for a GUI way
[11:57] <mikeab> in GNOME, its Preferences->About Me->Change Password
[11:58] <NewtoXubuntu> OK , thanks for your time holyguyve7 :-D
[11:59] <holyguyve7> NewtoXubuntu I am still trying to help you out though
[11:59] <NewtoXubuntu> ok
[11:59] <NewtoXubuntu> i ll be here
[11:59] <holyguyve7> NewtoXubuntu , how have you been trying to test the webcam on xubuntu to see if it works?
[12:00] <NewtoXubuntu> i used camorama
[12:00] <holyguyve7> & it is not working?
[12:01] <NewtoXubuntu> it says could not connect bla bla .check your conn
[12:01] <holyguyve7> Well then I am sorry but I can't help you, not unless you give me the actual manufacturers name of your webcam.
[12:02] <NewtoXubuntu> ok,I'll try to find the manufacturer name
[12:02] <mikeab> any ideas TheSheep
[12:12] <holyguyve7> Well NewtoXubuntu I need to move on with my day. I wish you the best.
[12:13] <NewtoXubuntu> hav a nice day (H)  (H)
[13:22] <Abominus69> Hello, I am wanting to format a 500GB external USB hard drive to FAT32.  Is there a good program to use for this in Xubuntu?
[13:29] <TheSheep> Abominus69: mkfs.vfat, but FAT is not a good file system and is not well supported on Linux
[13:31] <Abominus69> Cheers, I am actually getting things underway with GParted.  It's mainly to use the drive on other PCs.
[13:48] <Abominus69> I would have thought Xubuntu had better support for FAT32 given that it is an old file system.
[13:49] <Abominus69> It's certainly not happy with the external drive now.  :P
[13:49] <Abominus69> Vista and my 360 are okay with it though.
[14:05] <Indika> i recently installed xubuntu hardy on my pc.i was very fast when it ran on win 2000.now it is very slow,i mean really slow. any suggections?
[14:06] <Indika>  (O)
[14:07] <Indika> Hellooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:08] <chimp_> Does anyone know if its possible to XDMCP from xubuntu onto an ubuntu computer?
[14:08] <chimp_> Or do i need to first install gnome-desktop onto my xubuntu laptop to allow this?
[14:09] <Indika> chimp_ can u help me
[14:14] <Indika> Stroganoff can u help me
[14:14] <Stroganoff> dunno
[14:14] <chimp_> !ask
[14:15] <Indika> i recently installed xubuntu hardy on my pc.i was very fast when it ran on win 2000.now it is very slow,i mean really slow. any suggections?
[14:15] <chimp_> What in particular is slow?
[14:16] <chimp_> Is it visually slow? What are the specs of your laptop, do you have the restricted binary drivers for your video card installed?
[14:16] <Indika> firefox takes at least 45 sec to start.
[14:16] <chimp_> open a terminal and run top
[14:17] <chimp_> tell me if anything is running with large amounts of ram/cpu
[14:17] <Indika> ok
[14:17] <chimp_> how much ram does your computer have, whats its cpu ?
[14:17] <Indika> 192 mb
[14:17] <Indika> cpu 800 mhz pentium
[14:17] <chimp_> What version of xubuntu are you running?
[14:18] <Indika> hardy
[14:18] <chimp_> Running top, do you see anything using very high cpu/ram
[14:18] <chimp_> I find on my 174mb laptop, that opera runs a lot faster than firefox
[14:19] <chimp_> So you can try downloading it for a start
[14:19] <Indika> xorg is the highst cpu,
[14:19] <chimp_> At what %
[14:20] <chimp_> its responsible for running it visually
[14:20] <Indika> i set vm.swappiness=0 it maked some improvement on the responsiveness
[14:21] <Indika> xorg 6% cpu
[14:21] <chimp_> Thats fine then
[14:21] <Indika> firefox is using 28 mb ,that was max
[14:22] <chimp_> Yet its running really slow? tbh I dont know enough to help
[14:22] <Abominus69> firefox ran slowly on my old specs until I used flashblocker.   That makes a big difference.  Flash ads on websites really slowed things down.
[14:22] <Indika> i heard that feisty kernel is faster ,is this true
[15:15] <heymr> howdy folks, how do I make thunar use ntfs-3g driver? er, how does xubuntu do it?
[15:15] <TheSheep> it's not really specific to thunar
[15:15] <heymr> TheSheep: ok...
[15:15] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[15:15] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g
[15:16] <heymr> TheSheep: um...
[15:16] <dissocia7ive> which system logs should I check after my computer did hangup due to a hardware failure?
[15:16] <heymr> TheSheep: I don't use ubuntu, I use xfce4 in arch linux. I've asked at #thunar about it, no responce
[15:17] <dissocia7ive> I haven't booted from the hdd yet I'm using the xubuntu live cd
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: how does xubuntu do it?
[15:17] <TheSheep> heymr: because it's not connected in any way with thunar or xfce
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: thunar here is using kernals drivers and mounting all ntfs as readonly
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: thunar here is using kernals drivers and mounting all ntfs as readonly?
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: oops
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: why do you think that?
[15:17] <TheSheep> it's not thunar
[15:17] <heymr> *
[15:17] <heymr> TheSheep: what is it then???
[15:18] <TheSheep> gnome-mount or HAL or whatever Thunar uses to mount disks
[15:18] <b3nw> is it possible to have pavumeter select a different source? each time I run it, it defaults to my onboard sound which is not the default, and I can't get it to my usb sound to test my mic.
[15:20] <heymr> TheSheep: ahh.. ok, thank you for telling me
[15:21] <heymr> I'm using HAL
[15:21] <heymr> TheSheep: i wonder if hal has a channel...
[15:21] <heymr> TheSheep: what does xubuntu use?
[15:22] <heymr> hal?
[15:22] <TheSheep> I'm not sure what thunar uses exactly and how it does it
[15:22] <TheSheep> I suppose archlinux has a channel...
[15:22] <dissocia7ive> thunar uses exo-mount
[15:22] <heymr> TheSheep: so..thunar-volman uses hal...
[15:22] <heymr> TheSheep: haha.. indeed :)
[15:22] <heymr> dissocia7ive: in xubuntu?
[15:23] <heymr> ok
[15:50] <L0GG3D> can you install kde in xubuntu so that you can choose on the log out screen?
[15:51] <Odd-rationale> L0GG3D: yes. just install kubuntu-desktop
[15:52] <L0GG3D> and it runs stable?
[16:33] <L0GG3D> i need help, i get this when i right click on desktop and choose: change desktop background:Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[16:33] <L0GG3D> Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager.
[16:33] <L0GG3D> what should i do now?
[16:34] <TheSheep> L0GG3D: install gnome-settings-manager I guess, you are using Nautilus?
[16:34] <L0GG3D> yes i use nautilus
[16:35] <L0GG3D> how do i install gnome settings manager?
[16:35] <TheSheep> with Synaptic
[16:35] <TheSheep> in system->synaptic package manager
[16:36] <L0GG3D> what should i type to search it?
[16:50] <TheSheep> L0GG3D: try 'setting manager'
[17:00] <L0GG3D> what to do if you have it installed?
[17:10] <TheSheep> nothing, I think it will get started automagically when needed
[19:43] <emporikos> hello
[19:51] <ere> hello how can I see if my video nvidia drivers are installed
[19:51] <ere> I can't change my reoslution to 1024, there is no option :<
[19:52] <litlebuda> ere, menu sistem hardware drivers
[19:52] <ere> there is no hardware drivers
[19:52] <ere> :<
[19:53] <litlebuda> ?? in menu > sistem
[19:54] <ere> nope
[19:54] <ere> 6.06 here
[19:55] <litlebuda> ha
[19:55] <litlebuda> ok
[19:56] <litlebuda> cant help you there
[19:56] <litlebuda> im on 8.04
[19:56] <litlebuda> why dont you upgrade ?
[19:59] <emporikos> do you have ndiswrapper installed?
[19:59] <emporikos> poop not that
[20:00] <emporikos> ndiswrapper is for networking
[20:05] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know how i can set up a vnc server on xubuntu hardy to have exactly the same behavior on connect as you get with the default vnc setup on ubuntu?
[20:08] <Stroganoff> install vino
[20:08] <Stroganoff> secleinteer
[20:08] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: thanks
[20:08] <portentum> ere: did you manage to solve your group issue with virtualbox last night?
[20:09] <portentum> also, for your nvidia drivers on 6.06 I'd recommend visiting http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[20:12] <ere> yes :))
[20:12] <ere> im upgrading
[20:13] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: can i configure vino over ssh?
[20:14] <Stroganoff> only with gconftool
[20:15] <Stroganoff> example:
[20:15] <Stroganoff> gconftool-2 --set --type=boolean /desktop/gnome/remote_access/enabled true
[20:17] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: ok, thanks. i'll try that
[20:18] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: it still doesn't seem to be working
[20:19] <secleinteer> i'm doing "vncviewer <computer_name>"
[20:19] <secleinteer> and i'm getting a message saying the connection was ref used
[20:19] <secleinteer> refused*
[20:20] <Stroganoff> is vino-session running?
[20:20] <blunted> so I just had to reinstall everything. what's the command to get mp3's and such again
[20:20] <t3hwiz0rd> where does xfce store its session cache so i can erase my previous sessions?
[20:20] <t3hwiz0rd> it keeps launching like double sessions and tripple-launching applications
[20:21] <Stroganoff> secleinteer: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1592817
[20:21] <Stroganoff> !medibuntu | blunted
[20:21] <Stroganoff> t3hwiz0rd ~/.cache somewhere
[20:22] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: ok, thanks
[20:24] <t3hwiz0rd> thanks
[20:27] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: it's still not working
[20:27] <secleinteer> i ran vino-preferences and configured everything
[20:27] <secleinteer> just like i did with ubuntu
[20:27] <secleinteer> but i'm still getting connection refused
[20:28] <Stroganoff> make sure vino-session is running on the server
[20:28] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: how do i start it?
[20:28] <Stroganoff> you mean via ssh?
[20:28] <secleinteer> yeah
[20:28] <secleinteer> i have X forwarding over ssh, if that helps
[20:30] <secleinteer> i checked ps, and vino isn't running
[20:30] <Stroganoff> export XAUTHORITY=/home/frank/.Xauthority DISPLAY=:0; vino-session;
[20:31] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: "-bash: vino-session: command not found"
[20:32] <secleinteer> is vino-session not in the 'vino' package?
[20:32] <Stroganoff> mmh they changed something in hardy
[20:33] <kpel> hi all
[20:33] <Stroganoff> secleinteer, try /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[20:34] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: that's it
[20:34] <secleinteer> do i run that as root, or as a user, when that user logs in?
[20:35] <Stroganoff> user
[20:37] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: ok, it's sort of working
[20:37] <secleinteer> where should i put the script to autostart vino-server on login?
[20:37] <secleinteer> like is there an xfce autostart folder?
[20:38] <Stroganoff> Applications -> Settings -> Autostarted Applications
[20:39] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: can i configure that over ssh too? :P
[20:40] <Stroganoff> most certainly
[20:40] <Stroganoff> but i dont know how, i dont use xfce
[20:40] <secleinteer> haha, neither do i, which is why i'm here ;)
[20:41] <Stroganoff> i trust now that you have vnc access you can set it up with the GUI
[20:43] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: except the password isn't working
[20:43] <secleinteer> even though i set it correctly in the vino-preferences...
[20:43] <secleinteer> "rfbAuthPasswordChecked: password check failed"
[20:43] <Stroganoff> odd
[20:44] <Stroganoff> see this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1592817
[20:46] <secleinteer> hmm, i have no idea what they're saying lol
[20:47] <secleinteer> it was hard enough getting vino-server running over ssh for the time being
[20:47] <secleinteer> i couldn't detach the process
[20:47] <secleinteer> so i had to run it in screen, and detach that
[20:47] <Stroganoff> if you add a % to the end of the command, its run in background
[20:47] <Stroganoff> FYI :p
[20:48] <secleinteer> oh, i thought it was &
[20:48] <Stroganoff> i mean &
[20:48] <Stroganoff> ;)
[20:48] <secleinteer> lol
[20:48] <secleinteer> well i tried that
[20:48] <Stroganoff> k
[20:48] <Stroganoff> sry
[20:48] <secleinteer> lol that's ok
[20:48] <secleinteer> well this is weird
[20:48] <secleinteer> now it's giving me connection refused
[20:48] <secleinteer> maybe running vino-preferences again shut down the server
[20:49] <secleinteer> ugggh
[20:49] <secleinteer> "vino-server: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server localhost:10.0."
[20:50] <secleinteer> well, tightvnc is doing _something_ now
[20:51] <secleinteer> it just does a bunch of weird stuff with the wm (on this box) and doesn't actually show anything
[20:51] <secleinteer> well, i'm going to give this a rest for now
[20:52] <secleinteer> Stroganoff: thanks for the help
[20:52] <Stroganoff> np
[20:57] <kingair_six> hello, I got a problem with my hardy. the natively installed nm-applet (network manager), is not working any more. I had some issues with the pc card for wifi and it did not seem to like that. since than it's not running and even after reinstall it's not coming back up
[21:09] <narothepharoh> is there any programs other than dvd thay will convert to iso?
[21:16] <narothepharoh> hello
[21:19] <narothepharoh> #kubuntu
[21:49] <narothepharoh> #devede
[22:28] <t3hwiz0rd> does xfces filebrowswer have the ability to have an address bar put on it? so i can manually navigate folder by typinog?
[22:28] <t3hwiz0rd> nevermind i figured it out lol
[22:51] <t3hwiz0rd> how do you install new themes to xfce?
[23:04] <Griz> Hey Gang. Got an old Emachine laptop that I just tossed Xubuntu 8.04 onto. Runs...acceptably, but the bottom of the screen, where the taskbar resides, is horribly scrambled. Anyone have any input of worth to help me get around this?   http://rafb.net/p/bPrQEJ69.html
[23:24] <t3hwiz0rd> god i love this wallpaper http://linuxfanmarcel.li.ohost.de/Winter%20Dream%20II.jpg
[23:24] <t3hwiz0rd> beautiful HDR lighting!
[23:56] <psych> where can I see the console X is running, like when you run startx manually ??
[23:56] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f8
[23:56] <Griz> psych, in the console you ran  startx  in.
[23:57] <TheSheep> psych: the logs are in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:59] <psych> f8
[23:59] <psych> there it is