[15:15] <sisco311> Hi. I'd like to get the ubuntu member cloak. My LP profile is https://launchpad.net/~sisco311
[15:31] <serfus> IRCC ^
[15:32] <serfus> sisco311, but i think you need to finish your registration
[15:40] <sisco311> serfus, sorry I'm new to IRC, I think it's done
[15:41] <k1l> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup there is howto
[15:46] <sisco311> k1l, thanks. I read it, just forget to confirm the registration.
[15:57] <k1l> :)
[16:01] <k1l> topyli: tsimpson nhandler elky (as you are not marked away)
[16:02] <IdleOne> and jussi
[16:08] <topyli> looks good
[16:08] <topyli> any staff awake and sober? we could use an ubuntu/member cloak for sisco311
[16:09]  * topyli drops sobriety requirement
[16:09] <IdleOne> haha
[16:10] <topyli> it's friday evening in europe :)
[16:12] <topyli> tomaw seems to be around. *poke*
[16:19] <marienz> sisco311, topyli: how's that?
[16:19] <topyli> ah, thanks marienz
[16:19] <marienz> no problem
[20:33] <sisco311> marienz, thank you
[20:34] <sisco311> sorry for the delay, indeed is friday evening in europe :)
[20:42] <marienz> yes, it still is :P
[21:37] <jo-erlend> I received some help in #Ubuntu-arm sometime. It was very useful, and I'm trying to find the logs. Is there a complete html log of Ubuntu channels, so I don't have to check by year, month and day?
[21:40] <guntbert> jo-erlend: best way is to search in the logs of your client, sometimes google helps too (with site:irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010)
[21:40] <Fuchs> you could fetch those you are interested in with wget and then use grep -r
[21:40] <Fuchs> else: irclogs should be indexed by search engines
[21:42] <jo-erlend> right... I'm usually good at remembering site: but in this case, I completely forgot. Thanks :)
[21:42] <jo-erlend> I don't usually keep gigabytes of irclog, so that was never an option. :)
[22:05] <k1l> irclogs are the first to backup :)
[23:37] <bkerensa> can Ubottu join #ubuntu-us-or ?


[20:54] <qwebirc63677> Hi
[20:55] <Dapsou21> i've just installed mplayer and configured it as main player but i cannot read any videos i have ...
[20:55] <Dapsou21> can you help me please to configure mplayer ?


[01:34] <JoseeAntonioR> StepNjump, txwikinger: ping? I need someone from the project.
[01:36] <pleia2> none of the people who were originally involved are here anymore :(
[01:37] <pleia2> we'd be starting from where we left off on the wiki and ubuntu-owl.org
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> I'd like to revive the team, as materials can be used for actual school classez
[01:37] <JoseeAntonioR> classes*
[01:39] <pleia2> so on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning you'd want to look under "Materials"
[01:39] <pleia2> er "Course Material Writing"
[01:39] <pleia2> click on the icon with the hat :)
[01:39] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Materials
[01:42] <JoseeAntonioR> Ok :)
[01:45] <pleia2> http://doctormo.org/2009/07/15/ubuntu-system-admin-class-command-line-basics/ is an example of a class that doctormo wrote
[01:46] <pleia2> akgraner was also trying to work on some stuff, let me see if she updated the google doc
[01:46] <JoseeAntonioR> that's great
[01:47] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe I can catch her and talk about it
[01:47] <pleia2> ah, she didn't end up updating the doc
[01:47] <pleia2> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gNbpaBTkH2YHfLh2BW9ek30up6TrnANzWjCcRuvYR40/edit
[01:48] <pleia2> it's a decent outline for some teaching she wanted to do though
[01:48] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, yes
[01:48] <JoseeAntonioR> that can be used as a basic scheme to work on
[01:49] <JoseeAntonioR> btw, this would be considered as official documentation?
[01:56] <pleia2> the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself
[01:56] <pleia2> even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial"
[01:56] <pleia2> but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes
[01:59] <JoseeAntonioR> sorry Lyz, could you please paste what you said before? My window closed :(
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:00 < pleia2> the only "official" documentation is what is shipped with Ubuntu itself
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:11 < pleia2> even help.ubuntu.com/community/ is all "unofficial"
[02:03] <pleia2> 18:56:57 < pleia2> but it could be the default place people are sent when they want learning materials to teach in classes
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> I think it's a good idea
[02:07] <JoseeAntonioR> from my side, count me in
[02:09] <pleia2> :)
[02:09] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll try to help as much as I can
[02:09] <pleia2> so we tried to write what we want from a basic course layout: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout
[02:10] <pleia2> but that's subject to change and discussion
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> I see
[02:10] <JoseeAntonioR> screenshots should be also attached when possible
[02:11] <JoseeAntonioR> to make this easier
[02:11] <pleia2> yeah, those are under "Other Resources'
[02:11] <pleia2> (unless they are embedded in the document, which is ok)
[02:12] <JoseeAntonioR> having a step-to-step with pictures guide will be perfect
[02:12] <JoseeAntonioR> are there any classes written?
[02:13] <JoseeAntonioR> apart from the DoctorMO's one
[02:14] <pleia2> he wrote a few, they are all linked on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics
[02:14] <pleia2> Local Computer, Networking, Package Management, etc
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, ok
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> I think we can start with Ubuntu Installation
[02:16] <JoseeAntonioR> that's the start point
[02:18] <pleia2> great :)
[02:18] <pleia2> I think it makes sense for us to write the classes targeting the LTS versions, so you'll want to do it with 12.04
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:18] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll wait until the final release comes out
[02:19] <pleia2> it shouldn't change too much from now to then, maybe hold off on screenshots :) but you can write the outline and start with the basics
[02:20] <pleia2> also, all the community docs are licensed CC-BY-SA, so as long as we say "we took this portion from help.ubuntu.com/community/whatever" we can copy docs
[02:20] <pleia2> we don't want to be rewriting everything
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> haha, yep
[02:20] <JoseeAntonioR> but sometimes help.ubuntu.com is outdated
[02:20] <pleia2> yep
[02:21] <pleia2> for help.ubuntu.com/community/ we also want to contribute back
[02:21] <pleia2> so if something is outdated and we update it for ours, we should update there too :)
[02:21] <pleia2> help.ubuntu.com itself (not /community) is harder since those are the official docs and there is an official procedure for editing them
[02:23] <JoseeAntonioR> then, I can investigate about how to do it and mange to update it
[02:25] <JoseeAntonioR> do you need to be part of a team to update help.ubuntu.com? I can apply for it, if needed
[02:25] <pleia2> it's the ubuntu-docs team, I don't know what they're using for doc stuff these days
[02:25] <pleia2> help.ubuntu.com/community/ is just a wiki, so anyone can edit it
[02:26] <pleia2> http://jeremy.bicha.net/2012/03/22/ubuntu-docs-a-call-for-help/ is worth a read
[02:27] <JoseeAntonioR> i'll read it right now
[02:28] <JoseeAntonioR> I told you because in the 'official' documentation I only found how to install from the alternate CD
[02:28] <JoseeAntonioR> maybe we can work along with the doc team to merge ideas
[02:29] <pleia2> they have a very tight release schedule because they need to coordinate with translators *before* release
[02:29] <pleia2> I'd love to see us collaborate, but it's a lot of work :)
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> it is, so, for our actual plans we have to re-start the project, from what was left, using help.ubuntu.com/community
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> and update the community pages when needed, if possible
[02:32] <JoseeAntonioR> right?
[02:34] <pleia2> pretty much :)
[02:34] <pleia2> if you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout I see the "Overview" section to be what we pull from /community docs
[02:34] <pleia2> we'll probably have to write Demonstration and Practical ourselves, based on that documentation
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[02:35] <JoseeAntonioR> wait a sec, I think I've got an idea
[02:37] <JoseeAntonioR> what about if we contact the ubuntu manual team when we've got lots of articles
[02:38] <pleia2> to share our docs with them?
[02:38] <pleia2> ours are licensed CC-BY-SA as well, so they're welcome to anything of course
[02:38] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[02:38] <JoseeAntonioR> I think this can turn into a big idea if we're successful
[02:54] <pleia2> ok, heading off for the evening, thanks for your help :)
[02:55] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks to you! see you!


[22:46] <trippeh> sarnold: 44Gbps of low latency live video over TLS on the low power intel quad core now
[22:46] <trippeh> kernels becoming faster :)


[00:29] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: ping
[00:29] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, hey
[00:29] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: how's it going?
[00:29] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, good thanks, busy!
[00:29] <jono> sorry, I know you have been pinging me today
[00:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: yeah, IS told me to talk to you about RT#21696
[00:30] <JoseeAntonioR> just wanted to check the status on that
[00:32] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, is this the alternative to AskUbuntu thing?
[00:33] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: yeah, the one for non-english speakers
[00:33] <jono> elmo asked me about this last week - I don't remember ever saying we would commit to a deployment of an alternative
[00:33] <jono> ahhh this is for non-English speakers
[00:33] <jono> now I remember
[00:33] <jono> hmmm
[00:34] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, elmo asked me about it but I forgot it was designed for non-english speakers
[00:34] <jono> is there no way we can support multiple languages on AskUbuntu?
[00:34] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: StackExchange says they're working on a solution, but there isn't even an ETA, and they say it should take a long time
[00:34] <jono> hmmm
[00:35] <JoseeAntonioR> until then, I'd like to get something up and running
[00:35] <jono> I think this needs some wider discussion
[00:35] <jono> can we coordinate a meeting at UDS?
[00:35] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, sure, let me set up the blueprint
[00:35] <jono> cool
[00:35] <jono> I will schedule it
[00:35] <jono> btw, are you ok with the time of the ubuntuonair session?
[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, I'm on vacations so I'll be here during the whole event
[00:39] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-q+a-systems-localization is the link for it
[02:51] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: hey, tomorrow before the plenary begins could you please link me so I can embed it at ubuntuonair.com?
[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[07:32] <JoseeAntonioR> hey dholbach, quick PM?
[07:32] <dholbach> sure
[07:32] <smartboyhw> Hey dholbach!
[07:32] <dholbach> hi smartboyhw
[07:33] <smartboyhw> JoseeAntonioR: I like sabdfl's email:)
[07:33] <JoseeAntonioR> hey smartboyhw, I do too :)
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Oh, Ubuntu Brainstorm will be dead
[07:34] <dholbach> smartboyhw, .......
[07:34] <dholbach> Jorge brought up the question
[07:34] <smartboyhw> dholbach: It was decided
[07:35] <smartboyhw> In yesterday's TB meeting
[07:35] <dholbach> really? then I must have misunderstood it
[07:35] <smartboyhw> With approval from TB and support from jcastro and balloons and stgraber
[07:36] <smartboyhw> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/TeamReports/13/May
[07:36] <philballew> smartboyhw, you seem sad bout it?
[07:37] <dholbach> to me it looked like they acknowledged the current problems and were going to check if it can be shut down or what to do about it
[07:37] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, same thoughts here
[07:38] <smartboyhw> philinux: No. I never went there
[07:38] <philballew> smartboyhw, oh, just figured I should ask
[07:39] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, time for me to get some sleep for the upcoming event
[07:39] <JoseeAntonioR> see you all around in a couple hours!
[07:40] <philballew> I should sleep more
[07:41] <dholbach> smartboyhw, I hadn't gone through my entire mails and the team report yet - there it reads much more that it should be shut down - but it's good that Jorge got everyone's thoughts about it on the mailing list
[07:41] <dholbach> so maybe there's another way out of this
[07:47] <smartboyhw> dholbach: Sure;)
[13:26] <balloons> why does the same pad seem to appear for all my sessions? :-(
[13:27] <jcastro> stay classy castro
[13:27] <jcastro> I showed up an hour early
[13:27] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: let me check if I can reproduce that
[13:28] <balloons> so bizarre.. now my stuff has morphed to the other pad
[13:28] <smartboyhw_> Damn, I can only attend on IRC
[13:28] <smartboyhw_> A
[13:28] <dpm> morning jcastro, balloons, and everyone!
[13:28] <smartboyhw_> balloons: :O
[13:28] <daker> balloons: AFAIK you are able to open ONE pad at time
[13:28] <balloons> JoseeAntonioR, I think I'm ok now.. I think
[13:28] <balloons> but these pads like to play tricks
[13:29] <balloons> daker, yea.. mistake #1 I guess
[13:29] <balloons> I was trying to edit more than one pad
[13:29] <smartboyhw_> OK my UDS schedule for today: Plenary, Community roundtable, sleep:P
[13:29] <balloons> smartboyhw_, so you can set your hangout settings to audio only if you have bandwidth issues
[13:30] <JoseeAntonioR> balloons: yeah, when opening lots of them and authenticating to them at once I gt the error
[13:30] <smartboyhw_> Tmr: QA team growth, Kylin images, sleep:P
[13:30] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Mobile…
[13:30] <balloons> smartboyhw_, ahh
[13:30] <smartboyhw_> actually meh
[13:30] <smartboyhw_> After UDS I am taking exam break
[13:31] <balloons> dpm, afternoon :-)
[13:31] <balloons> just an fyi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107339337083351011695/posts/XLpRLLJVaqa.. "
[13:31] <balloons> 1) Bandwidth slider. At the top right of every hangout is a new slider that lets you adjust your bandwidth preferences in real-time. This makes it easier to keep hangouts going, even in areas with poor connectivity.
[13:31] <balloons> 2) Audio-only mode. Choose this mode to send and receive audio only, and thus, significantly reduce your bandwidth requirements. Other participants will only see your profile picture, but they'll hear you loud and clear."
[13:33] <smartboyhw_> The keynote is in #ubuntu-uds-plenary right?
[13:33] <dpm> cool
[13:34] <dpm> thanks balloons
[13:34] <jcastro> dpm: hey, raring doesn't appear to be on apps.ubuntu.com yet
[13:34] <smartboyhw_> I am!
[13:34] <balloons> dpm, yea it might be needed for some community folks to ensure good hangouts
[13:34] <balloons> heck, I was using it yesterday :-)
[13:34] <smartboyhw_> balloons: :)
[13:35] <dpm> thanks jcastro, pinging jpugh about it
[13:35] <jcastro> ack
[13:36] <dpm> jcastro, beuno tells me they're working on it
[13:38] <jcastro> thanks for checking!
[13:38] <dpm> np
[13:38] <smartboyhw_> Hey SergioMeneses
[13:39] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, hi!
[13:42] <dpm> hm, is it me or summit is really slow? -> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/display?
[13:42] <JoseeAntonioR> dpm: I think it's you
[13:42] <smartboyhw_> dpm: That's you:P
[13:43] <dpm> glad to hear that
[13:43] <dpm> in a way :)
[13:44] <smartboyhw_> Here's jono_
[13:44] <smartboyhw_> And he left
[13:44] <smartboyhw_> lol
[13:47] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: please, remember to link me to the plenary once you've got the youtube link
[13:48] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, I don't think we should stream it on ubuntuonair - we should have people go to the session pages
[13:48] <jono_> so they can use the other features of UDS
[13:48] <jono_> mhall119, no IRC?
[13:48] <mhall119> jono_: working on it
[13:48] <jono_> mhall119, thanks
[13:48] <JoseeAntonioR> ok then :)
[13:52] <jono_> mhall119, normal chans are #ubuntu-uds-<track> right?
[13:52] <smartboyhw_> dpm, mhall119, jono: The logs in each UDS IRC channel's topics (like http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-community-1.log) is flooded with join/quit messages. Is it possible to get rid of these while logging?
[13:53] <mhall119> smartboyhw_: you'd have to ask in #ubuntu-irc
[13:53] <mhall119> they control the bots
[13:53] <smartboyhw_> mhall119: OK
[13:57] <chilicuil> wee, uds! =)
[13:59] <philballew> chilicuil, yes!
[13:59] <chilicuil> philballew: =)
[14:00] <chilicuil> does anyone has a full list of the vuds channels?
[14:02] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, I think you have to search all channels in http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/
[14:02] <bkerensa> top of the morning
[14:03] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, \o
[14:03] <bkerensa> time to get saucy?
[14:05] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, if you want to
[14:06] <daker> chilicuil:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5664576/
[14:06] <chilicuil> daker: cool, thanks =)
[14:06] <bkerensa> cjohnston: This page encountered an error, don't worry - we have been notified. Please accept our apologies.
[14:06] <SergioMeneses> daker, perfect!
[14:06] <cjohnston> ok
[14:06] <bkerensa> cjohnston: looks like it was temporary
[14:06] <bkerensa> cjohnston: openid but a refresh fixed
[14:07] <philballew> yeah! California!
[14:10] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5664589/  <- even better list of channels ㋛
[14:10] <popey> With handy /join commands ☻
[14:11] <SergioMeneses> popey, very helpful ;)
[14:11] <smartboyhw_> \o/
[14:12] <bkerensa> Hmm
[14:16] <bkerensa> FYI: Colin Watson and Brian Murray will be handling Foundation Track (cjwatson and bdmurray)
[14:34] <jono_> dholbach, can you spin up the Lubuntu session?
[14:34] <jono_> dholbach, or have Julian start it and you update the hangout URL in summit
[14:34] <dholbach> jono_, balloons and I divided the sessions up between us and he was going to do it - but I'm happy to do it too
[14:34] <jono_> dholbach, ahhh cool
[14:34] <jono_> thanks!
[14:35] <balloons> lol.. you dc'd during the chat jono_ so we left you out :-)
[14:36] <jono_> balloons, I am always left out :-(
[14:36] <jono_> waaa waaaa waaaa
[14:36] <jono_> lol
[14:36]  * dholbach hugs jono_
[14:36] <smartboyhw_> Whoo hoo
[14:36] <dholbach> jono_, have a cookie
[14:36] <JoseeAntonioR> let's not talk about cookies :P
[14:37] <dholbach> uds tradition
[14:37] <smartboyhw_> JoseeAntonioR: Why?
[14:37]  * balloons hands dholbach and JoseeAntonioR  a cookie
[14:37]  * philballew wants a cookie
[14:37] <jono_> can I have a brisket instead?
[14:37]  * balloons notes it's chocolate
[14:37]  * JoseeAntonioR carefully looks at the cookie and slowly eats
[14:37] <dholbach> jono_, for breakfast?
[14:37]  * smartboyhw_ gives a cookie to jono_ philballew JosesAntonioR balloons dholbach
[14:37] <balloons> jono_, uncooked?
[14:37] <jono_> dholbach, always
[14:37]  * philballew has no idea what a brisket is
[14:37] <jono_> philballew, shoulder of beef
[14:37] <jono_> slow cooked for 10 hours
[14:37] <dholbach> I'm unsurprised
[14:37] <jono_> and then put into my mouth
[14:38] <dholbach> eat a vegetable!
[14:38]  * dholbach makes a pot of tea
[14:38] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Are you a vegetarian?
[14:38] <philballew> Love it jono, I'm gonna grill up some Carne Asada this week. Small thin meet for Tacos.
[14:38]  * philballew is drinking coffee
[14:39] <dholbach> smartboyhw_, yes, have been for 5 years now and working on cutting down on animal products in general now
[14:39] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: Meh
[14:39] <philballew> dholbach, thats hella tight
[14:39] <dholbach> let's not get into arguments now :)
[14:39]  * smartboyhw_ gives dholbach 100 tonnes of meat to eat
[14:40] <dholbach> smartboyhw_, I think I had enough meat in all those years before - I don't miss it :)
[14:40] <bkerensa> elfy: morning
[14:40] <elfy> hello bkerensa
[14:40] <smartboyhw_> dholbach: :(
[14:40] <balloons> dholbach, while in oakland we ate at a soulfood vegan place.. best food I had all week by far
[14:40] <dholbach> nice :)
[14:41] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Heck, you can't find good food in Oakland?
[14:41] <balloons> if/when we go back, I'm only eating there
[14:41] <philballew> Oakland is intense balloons .
[14:41] <balloons> smartboyhw_, I had a very rough time finding it
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> balloons: OK
[14:42]  * philballew had a gun drawn at him in Oakland.
[14:42] <smartboyhw_> philballew: srsly?
[14:43] <philballew> smartboyhw_, yeah, I was there riding my bike through the city and accidentally rode into a drug deal.
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: hey, I don't know if later you can mention people to put their names or nicknames on the pad so we know who's each one
[14:44] <smartboyhw_> philballew: Meh
[14:45] <philballew> smartboyhw_, Life.
[14:46] <dholbach> balloons, gema (through seb128) just added "Move automated upgrade testing to UTAH ( Client )" at 16 utc today - happy to kick it off
[14:46] <dholbach> or do you want to be in there?
[14:47] <balloons> dholbach, heh..
[14:47] <balloons> let me see
[14:47] <dholbach> you have a session at the same time :)
[14:49] <jono_> dholbach, ok, so you are spinning up the roundtable?
[14:49] <dholbach> yep
[14:49] <jono_> cool
[14:49] <jono_> back soon
[14:50] <dholbach> rock on
[14:52] <jcastro> jono_: I have a light day today so I can probably be active in the roundtable + the website session if you want
[14:55] <jono_> jcastro, whatever you want to join :-)
[14:55] <jono_> jcastro, you are not required, but welcome :-)
[14:55] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: hey, please remember to approve the blueprint about the Q&A systems localization https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-q+a-systems-localization
[14:55] <jcastro> \o/
[14:55] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, approved
[14:56] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks
[14:56] <JoseeAntonioR> schedule it if possible too :)
[14:56] <jcastro> hah man
[14:56] <jcastro> in the plenary video Rick's voice got overmodulated or something
[14:57] <jcastro> he sounds like a chipmunk
[14:57] <dholbach> really?
[14:57] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fExfA0i2yEE
[14:57] <dholbach> not for me
[15:09] <jcastro> I am submitting good ideas/discussions in the subreddit with [UDS] blah
[15:09] <jcastro> we could do like a "mostly live stream" of good stuff happening
[15:36] <dholbach> jono_ or jcastro, do you think you could run "Move automated upgrade testing to UTAH ( Client )" in the next slot? it's in the community track, because the others are swamped and I'd like to participate in the click packages session
[15:37] <jcastro> let me try it
[15:37] <dholbach> thanks
[15:38] <jcastro> dholbach: done!
[15:38] <dholbach> sweeeeeeeet
[15:43] <dholbach> dpm, dpm-uds: "sustainable translations for R"?
[15:43] <dholbach> not "S"?
[15:55] <jcastro> dholbach: gema is yelling at me for moving that session!
[15:56] <jcastro> she had me move it back
[15:56] <dholbach> move it?
[15:56] <dholbach> not move it
[15:56] <dholbach> host it
[15:56] <jcastro> Oh.
[15:57] <jcastro> #$%#$! What have I done!
[15:58] <dholbach> jono, I'll mail the DMB about the wednesday session
[15:59] <dholbach> jcastro, so you can run it?
[15:59] <jcastro> yep
[15:59] <jcastro> ON IT!
[16:00] <dholbach> thanks!
[16:00] <jono_> dholbach, balloons who is spinning up which sessions?
[16:00] <jono_> I need to go to an SDK session
[16:01] <balloons> jcastro, is com2, I'm com1 right now
[16:01] <jono_> cool
[16:01] <jono_> thanks
[16:01] <dholbach> and I'll do the click session
[16:01] <dholbach> or rather follow along and maybe join in
[16:02] <jono_> thanks dholbach
[16:02] <jcastro> QA is all set!
[16:02] <jono_> dpm can you invite me to the SDK feedback session?
[16:02] <jcastro> dholbach: high five.
[16:02] <dholbach> rock and roll!
[16:02] <dholbach> :-D
[16:02] <jcastro> dholbach: lol, I can't believe I moved it
[16:02] <jcastro> talk about reading comprehension!
[16:03] <dpm> mhall119, can you run that one and invite jono_ ? I'll start the one on theming
[16:04] <jono_> cjohnston, session pages are working great :-)
[16:04] <jcastro> they are
[16:04] <cjohnston> :-)
[16:04] <jcastro> this is WAAAAAY better than before dawg
[16:04] <jono_> :-)
[16:05] <jono_> mhall119, you on it?
[16:11] <dholbach> jono_, DMB invited
[16:48] <bkerensa> nap time yet?
[16:48] <bkerensa> :)
[17:00] <jono_> bkerensa, can you reddit http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/14/video-demo-of-unity-next-on-mir/ for me?
[17:00] <jono_> to /r/Ubuntyu
[17:00] <jono_> jcastro, can you reddit http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/14/video-demo-of-unity-next-on-mir/ to /r/linux?
[17:00] <bkerensa> yes
[17:01] <jcastro> can I do /r/ubuntu?
[17:01] <jcastro> bkerensa: you do the bad place
[17:03] <jcastro> also
[17:03] <jcastro> holy crap, that looks freaking awesome.
[17:04] <popey> jono_: it's "Unity 8" not "Unity Next"
[17:04] <jcastro> BUSTED
[17:04] <jono_> popey, will fix
[17:05] <jcastro> jono_: also in the intro it's "Juju 2.0" not "the go version of Juju"
[17:05] <jcastro> since we're nitpicking, heh
[17:05] <popey> oh, we're nitpicking?
[17:05] <jcastro> man so, we get resolution independance?
[17:05] <jcastro> like so if there's a 100000x100000 screen it'll look proper?
[17:05] <popey> It's "Retina MacBook Pro" not "MacBook Pro Retina"
[17:06] <jcastro> popey: ok but that's the tablet version running
[17:06] <jcastro> so like the next obvious step is for it to go into normal "desktop mode" right?
[17:06] <bkerensa> jcastro: what bad place?
[17:06] <popey> also, it's optimisation not optimization etc
[17:06] <jcastro> that word is spelled correctly
[17:06] <jcastro> he's one of ours now popey
[17:06] <popey> he doesn't talk like you
[17:06] <jcastro> he does
[17:06] <popey> nor walk like you
[17:06] <jcastro> bkerensa: you can post on /r/linux pls.
[17:07] <popey> ergo he is not a duck
[17:07] <jcastro> popey: I've seen him drive on the right side of the road
[17:07] <jcastro> it's too late for you
[17:07] <popey> badly
[17:07] <jcastro> man, that UI looks SO fluid
[17:07] <popey> yeah, looks sweet
[17:08] <jcastro> so do we finally not get video tearing?
[17:08] <jcastro> I know right, 1992 called
[17:08] <popey> but I want to run xeyes
[17:08] <jcastro> but seriously though
[17:08] <jcastro> we'd need it in desktop mode right?
[17:10] <jono_> jcastro, can you edit the reddit title to say Unity 8 ?
[17:11] <jcastro> there's no way to edit a link submission once you submit afaict
[17:11] <jcastro> oh
[17:11] <jcastro> I'll just delete it
[17:11] <jcastro> and resubmit
[17:12] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ebpg3/video_demo_of_unity_8_on_mir/
[17:20] <bkerensa> how do we get the hangout going for the session here?
[17:21] <balloons> how do you set multiple person work items again in lp on a blueprint?
[17:21] <balloons> comma's doesn't seem to work ,or I'm crazy
[17:22] <jono_> bkerensa, did you post to /r/linux?
[17:22] <bkerensa> jono_: doing it now
[17:22] <jono_> thanks bkerensa
[17:22] <bkerensa> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ebq9w/video_demo_of_unity_8_on_mir/
[17:23] <dpm_> balloons, it doesn't work, you have to duplicate the work item
[17:23] <dpm_> [dude1] Do something
[17:23] <dpm_> [dude2] Do something
[17:23] <balloons> dpm, :-(
[17:23] <balloons> I thought that might be the case
[17:33] <jcastro> https://www.dropbox.com/s/whf4c79fgjufvnc/2013-05-14%2013.31.35.jpg
[17:33] <jcastro> ok so I just found out the creepiest thing
[17:33] <jcastro> jono_: balloons looks like cliff burton with a haircut
[17:33] <jcastro> look at that pic, and tell me that is not balloons
[17:34] <jono_> jcastro, haha good point
[17:34] <balloons> lol, jcastro I like the look on your face.. more priceless
[17:34] <balloons> I'm going to be losing it in a few more months though.. so enjoy it now :-)
[17:34] <jcastro> keep growing it out man
[17:34] <jcastro> let the legend grow
[17:35] <balloons> lol.. well, there's a specific purpose for it.. and like all good things, it too must end
[17:56] <jono_> dholbach, I will create the website hangout
[17:56] <dholbach> jono_, ok cool - can you invite me in once it's set up?
[17:57] <jono_> dholbach, yup
[17:57] <dholbach> great
[18:03] <balloons> cjohnston, ohh.. you have a cool 'join the hangout on air' link
[18:03] <cjohnston> huh
[18:03] <cjohnston> who
[18:03] <cjohnston> what
[18:06] <hggdh> when
[18:06] <hggdh> how
[18:07] <cjohnston> howdy hggdh !
[18:08] <hggdh> cjohnston: hi, how's life?
[18:08] <cjohnston> goin great... you?
[18:08] <hggdh> cannot complain, life could be better but it certainly could be worse
[18:09] <hggdh> for example my mother-in-law is coming to live with us
[18:29] <jono_> dholbach, I will set up the Ubuntu Women session
[18:29] <jono_> pleia2, any idea who is running the session?
[18:29] <pleia2> jono_: Dolasilla said she's talking to akgraner about getting it set up
[18:29] <jono_> pleia2, ok cool
[18:30] <dholbach> jono_, cool, thanks
[18:30] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, is getting her all the instructions she needs and getting her set up
[18:30] <jono_> pleia2, I can set up the stream for you in summit and then leave it to the team
[18:30] <jono_> akgraner, well someone needs admin access to summit to do it
[18:30] <jono_> but I can do that and then just leave the session to you
[18:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: if the person is marked as drafter he/she can edit the links
[18:30] <jono_> and I will paste the hangout link in the channel like in other sessions to join
[18:30] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, oh
[18:30] <pleia2> giving to akgraner is probably the best plan, google hangouts aren't my forte :)
[18:30] <jono_> ok,
[18:31] <jono_> :-)
[18:31] <pleia2> (plus I'm in a work meeting during the session, chaos!)
[18:31] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, if there is a problem, ping me
[18:31] <pleia2> two meetings, woo
[18:31] <jono_> pleia2, boom!
[18:31] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[18:31] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: so, will you be starting the hangout?
[18:35] <akgraner> no - I'm not at home and the wifi here isn't stable enough to do that
[18:35] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, second
[18:35] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: hey, can you please add silvia-bindelli as drafter in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-1305-ubuntu-women ?
[18:36] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: done
[18:36] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks
[18:38] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: then she just invites the rest of us to the hangout?
[18:38] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: basically, yes, or you can use summit
[18:38] <JoseeAntonioR> just a second, I'm working on this
[18:38] <pleia2> summit is just for viewing, right?
[18:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: and also gives you the link to the hangout if you're marked as required :)
[18:40] <pleia2> ah, how does one get marked as required?
[18:41] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: track leads and drafters can do that, but as dolasilla wasn't marked as drafter maybe jono will have to do it
[18:41] <JoseeAntonioR> or dholbach
[18:42] <pleia2> can what, mark people as required? or are required?
[18:42] <JoseeAntonioR> mark people as
[18:43] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: you think you can update the details of the hangout (video + hangout link) and mark people required in a while for the u-women session?
[18:43] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, I thought you said you had this handled?
[18:43] <jono_> I can just spin up the session and invite people if you want
[18:43] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: I thought, until I checked and the person wasn't marked as drafter
[18:44] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, np
[18:44] <JoseeAntonioR> if you can stay for the whole thing, sure
[18:44] <jono_> I will get it up and running
[18:44] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, np
[18:44] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks :)
[18:44] <jono_> I won't butt into the discussion, I will just mute myself
[18:44] <JoseeAntonioR> ok :)
[18:45] <JoseeAntonioR> basically, cheri703, lyz and silvia-bindelli need to be marked as req
[18:45] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, cool
[18:45] <jono_> I will ping out the hangout link when it is up
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks a bunch
[18:46] <jono_> it starts in 20mins
[18:46] <jono_> np
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[18:48] <jcastro> cjohnston: the little fields to paste in the G+ URLs is brilliant
[18:48] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:22] <jono_> mhall119, ping?
[20:25] <mhall119> jono_: pong
[20:26] <cjohnston> jono_: where's the beer?
[20:26] <pleia2> I have a roof deck
[20:26] <jono_> cjohnston, ooh good point
[20:26] <pleia2> someone else needs to bring the beer though
[20:26] <jono_> cjohnston, on the phone right now
[20:26] <mhall119> I have a beer, but someone else needs to bring the roof deck
[20:26] <cjohnston> ll
[20:26] <cjohnston> lol
[20:54] <jono_> mhall119, hey can you reddit http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/14/unity-8-running-on-mir-on-a-galaxy-nexus/ on /r/Ubuntu ?
[20:55] <jono_> jcastro, mind redditing http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/14/unity-8-running-on-mir-on-a-galaxy-nexus/ on /r/linux?
[21:00] <mhall119> jono_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ec7td/watch_unity_8_running_on_mir_on_a_galaxy_nexus/
[21:00] <jono_> thanks mhall119
[21:01] <mhall119> Unfortunately, we're forced to just assume that Kevin was wearing a Gnome shirt
[21:01] <mhall119> I need an Xfce shirt and Mir running on my Nexus 7, to complete the trifecta
[21:01] <jono_> hah
[21:04] <jono_> upvotes please: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ec84s/unity_8_running_on_mir_on_a_galaxy_nexus/
[21:04] <jono_> jcastro, nm, I posted it


[01:38] <ScottK> yeshuah: The ubuntu server guide (see /topic) tells how to do this.
[02:41]  * e_t_ is away: Gone away for now
[03:34] <wizardslovak> hello ppl
[03:35] <wizardslovak> whats the command if i want to install packages LAMP, i forgot it
[03:35] <wizardslovak> that which brings you same screen as on server install
[03:35] <wizardslovak> its not ap-get
[03:38] <wizardslovak> that blue screen
[04:00] <zachtib> also posted in #ubuntu: anyone know of a way w/ libvirt and kvm to have separate users that can only access their own virtual machines?
[04:01] <zachtib> trying to set up a vm server for our LUG so that new users can have a machine to learn on
[04:21] <Datz> Is there a way to see descriptions for updates using aptitude or other?
[05:03] <JasonMSP> Trying to get virtual users to work with VSFTPD.  this http://howto.gumph.org/content/setup-virtual-users-and-directories-in-vsftpd/ hasn't worked.  Error 530 Login incorrect when trying to login.
[05:04] <JasonMSP> ??
[07:56] <blue-frog> hi when inserting a usb key in a machine, it triggers some kernel uevent. Have I a way to recreate those uvent via command line. I hoped udevadm test --force --action=add would have done the trick but apparently --force is not an option anymore.
[08:07] <zaas> hi, i have question about php fast cgi (fcgid) and php.ini
[08:07] <zaas> can i use a master php.ini and extend it with a .ini per user?
[08:08] <zaas> my setup it with suexec and having a /var/www/username dir per site
[08:16] <moob> Hello.
[08:17] <moob> testing 1 2 3
[08:19] <zaas> hi moon
[08:19] <zaas> *b
[08:19] <moob> Hi
[08:19] <moob> You wouldn't happen to know any thing about Amazon EC2?
[08:20] <zaas> no, only s3, never worked with EC2
[08:20] <moob> darn
[08:27] <zaas> anyone knows how to use a 2nd php.ini?
[08:27] <zaas> (fastcgi)
[08:40] <remix_tj> zaas: i've used it
[12:06] <ttx> mathiaz: I'd fix it for maverick release. This has security implications and is realtively self-contained, I suppose
[12:45] <domas> heh
[12:45] <domas> my bug
[12:45] <domas> (http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=35477)
[12:56] <_ruben> nice
[12:56] <domas> I certainly don't understand why people use distro mysql packages
[12:57] <domas> distros should treat 5.x.* as patch-levels, not as separate versions
[12:57] <domas> only bugfixes go there usually
[12:57] <domas> now distro maintainers think they will do better job at bugfixing than hundred-people-teams
[12:57] <alvin> How do I set a default printer? Man lpadmin tells me it's # lpadmin -d [destination], but lpstat -d still reports the wrong printer as default
[13:01] <alvin> Do I have to restart cupsys for this?
[13:06] <_ruben> domas: easy of maintenance (have the distro maintainer keep track of the versions/issues/etc) .. but as always, its a double-sided knife ;)
[13:07] <alvin> ok, I tried lpadmin -d on different systems with multiple printers. It doesn't work anywhere.
[13:07] <domas> _ruben: hehe, true. but still, I think distros should be more aggressive about getting patchlevel releases
[13:07] <domas> I'm sure more people get bitten by old bugs than new ones :)
[13:08] <_ruben> domas: hard to tell, as even known-to-be-bleeding-edge distros (like ubuntu is often categorized) still lag behind quite a bit ;)
[13:09] <domas> well, ubuntu hardy never had anything else than 5.0.51
[13:09] <domas> I guess lucid is now lagging with 5.1 ones
[13:09] <_ruben> yeah, should be 6.x ;)
[13:12] <domas> there's no 6.x
[13:13] <domas> it is 5.1.41 in ll
[13:14] <alvin> setting default printer reported as 644304.  :D
[13:41] <bobslaede> Hi. Im trying to set up some virtual hosts, using libvirt, kvm and qemu and following all guides on the ubuntu website. I used ubuntu-vm-builder to create the guest and everything seemed to work just fine. However i cannot connect to this new guest, and it seems that its not getting an IP thru the default NAT setup. Also I cannot connect to the console via virsh
[13:45] <soren> bobslaede: "virsh console" is only for text consoles. Use virt-viewer instead.
[13:47] <smoser> ttx, arond ?
[13:47] <ttx> smokie: o/
[13:50] <ttx> smoser: o/
[13:50] <ttx> (sigh)
[13:50] <smoser> sigh to you too
[13:50] <smoser> !
[13:50] <smoser> :)
[13:50] <ttx> now I have to type 4 characters to tabcomplete you
[13:50] <smoser> i was going to ask what i should need to do to get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ec2-api-tools/+bug/644074 in
[13:52] <DigitalDeviant> Is there a way I can keep chown the same on ftp uploads using pureftpd ?
[13:52] <ttx> smoser: discussion of benefit vs. risk with the release team. Note that this is technically multiverse, so the rules are relaxed.
[13:53] <smoser> yeah.
[13:53] <ttx> I'd say... given that it's binary-only, the risk is contained
[13:54] <ttx> smoser: when were those released ?
[13:54] <smoser> yesterday.
[13:54] <ttx> ah.
[13:54] <smoser> well, at least announced yesterday.
[13:54] <ttx> so you can't really say they had field testing yet.
[13:54] <smoser> i can't say for certain that the binaries were not available without mention piror to that.
[13:56] <ttx> that's my only gripe about it. It's a young release.
[13:56] <ttx> smoser: if my vote is asked for, I'd +1.
[13:56] <ttx> benefits outweigh risks.
[13:57] <smoser> well, yes. the only thing that i have to alleviate that is a.) its multiverse b.) we've never (and they've never) released a bug fix release soon after.
[13:58] <ttx> smoser: sounds like you have a good case.
[13:58] <_ruben> pmatulis: my apologies, i actually had to reread my own text a few times in order to notice the profanities, what's this world coming to :(
[13:59] <smoser> so i should right up a justification for this and then upload ?
[14:00] <bobslaede> soren: sorry for the delay. This is a headless server
[14:07] <soren> bobslaede: So?
[14:18] <bobslaede> soren: no X
[14:19] <soren> bobslaede: Is it headless or is it X-less?
[14:22] <bobslaede> soren: both
[14:23] <soren> bobslaede: So you're not going to be at its console when you're doing this anyway.
[14:23] <soren> bobslaede: again: virt-viewer is your friend. Run it on your desktop.
[14:23] <bobslaede> soren: i dont have any access at all to the guests
[14:24] <bobslaede> soren: also, my desktop is a windows machine
[14:24] <soren> bobslaede: Then you're screwed.
[14:24] <soren> out-of-the-box at least.
[14:24] <bobslaede> I do have access to the servers console
[14:25] <soren> You can set up a serial console in the guests or whatnot.
[14:25] <soren> bobslaede: I thought you said it was headless?
[14:25] <bobslaede> soren: thru virsh console?
[14:25] <bobslaede> soren: well, i can connect a screen to it
[14:25] <bobslaede> soren: its just not at my current location
[14:26] <soren> it's really quite simple. qemu (and hence kvm) emulates a framebuffer. To look at a framebuffer, you need something that can show graphics.
[14:27] <soren> Like, say, a monitor.
[14:27] <bobslaede> soren: which should work thru ssh no?
[14:27] <soren> monitors? No, they require VGA cables.
[14:27] <soren> Or similar.
[14:28] <soren> My knowledge may be slightly outdated.
[14:28] <bobslaede> soren: does it matter if im connected to the server thru ssh, or at the console?
[14:28] <soren> All I'm saying is that the solution to your problem is virt-viewer. You can use other VNC clients, but you need to do your own connection forwarding and whatnot.
[14:30] <soren> bobslaede: Depends on what you want to do. If you want to look at the framebuffer of one of your VM's, it certainly helps to in an environment where such a thing can be easily represented. This could be a modern Linux desktop, like Ubuntu, or maybe Windows if you're happy to do your own ssh+vnc connection plumbing (and generally endure using it).
[14:30] <bobslaede> soren: so in order for me to access a guest system, i need something with direct access to the guest, X, and virt-viewer (or whichever vnc client)
[14:30] <soren> bobslaede: What do you mean "direct access to the guest"?
[14:31] <bobslaede> soren: since the guest apparently doesnt have an ip address
[14:31] <soren> bobslaede: Yes, but what does "direct access to the guest" mean?
[14:32] <bobslaede> soren: on the host system i suppose, since i wouldnt have access to any guests from outside of the host
[14:33] <soren> bobslaede: You're not really answering the question. You're asking me to verify this: "so in order for me to access a guest system, i need something with direct access to the guest, X, and virt-viewer (or whichever vnc client)". I can't do that when I don't understand what you mean by "direct access".
[14:33] <soren> bobslaede: You don't have to be logged into the host machine.
[14:34] <soren> bobslaede: You need a) a vnc client, and b) way to connect to the guest's vnc port.
[14:34] <soren> bobslaede: The guest's vnc port is on the host.
[14:34] <bobslaede> soren, but the guest doesnt have an IP, or anyway to connect to it?
[14:34] <soren> 13:34 < soren> bobslaede: The guest's vnc port is on the host.
[14:35] <soren> bobslaede: The guest doens't run a vnc server. The hypervisor does.
[14:36] <bobslaede> but shouldnt the hypervisor then be able to connect to the console? Im asking here because i cannot find any info about libvirt or any of this on google, theres only the default guides, none answer my questions
[14:36] <soren> Let's start over.
[14:37] <bobslaede> alright :)
[14:37] <soren> You want to log into the guest.
[14:37] <soren> Right?
[14:37] <bobslaede> Yes, which Ive created with ubuntu-vm-builder for libvirt
[14:37] <soren> Doesn't matter.
[14:37] <soren> Its network is screwed, so you can't use ssh.
[14:37] <soren> So you want to connect to its console.
[14:37] <bobslaede> Seems like it
[14:37] <bobslaede> Exactly
[14:37] <soren> You (wrongly) assume you should use "virsh console".
[14:38] <soren> I tell you: 12:45 < soren> bobslaede: "virsh console" is only for text consoles. Use virt-viewer instead.
[14:38] <bobslaede> but is a text console not enough?
[14:38] <bobslaede> there is no X on the guest aswell
[14:38] <soren> bobslaede: What happened when you tried?
[14:39] <bobslaede> 'error: no valid connection'
[14:39] <soren> And no, a text console is not enough, because 13:26 < soren> it's really quite simple. qemu (and hence kvm) emulates a framebuffer. To look at a framebuffer, you need something that can show graphics.
[14:40] <bobslaede> alright, sorry, wrong error before
[14:40] <bobslaede> 'Failed to connect to the hypervisor'
[14:42] <soren> That sounds like a different problem.
[14:42] <soren> But it really doesn't change the fact that you need a vnc client.
[14:42] <soren> QEmu emulates a framebuffer.
[14:43] <bobslaede> Yeah
[14:43] <soren> On real hardware, even if you decide to just show text, the monitor still shows it as pixels. Same here.
[14:44] <bobslaede> soren: so then i would still need X on the host, or a vnc viewer on my windows desktop?
[14:45] <permalac_> hi, amb looking for a landscape(canonical), spacewalk(red hat), xCat (not-debian) suitable alternative for my .deb based infrastructure. Does anyone know any server-management solution with web-based frontend which supports .deb systems? thanks
[14:46] <soren> bobslaede: You can put the VNC client whereever you want.
[14:46] <jrib> permalac_: umm isn't landscape such a thing?  Maybe ebox?
[14:47] <jrib> !away > dendrobates
[14:47] <soren> bobslaede: I can't really say putting anything on a Windows desktop is a good idea, but a vnc client on a server also doesn't sound good.
[14:49] <bobslaede> soren: i will try a viewer on windows
[14:51] <permalac_> jrib: it is the thing, but it cost like 30k a year. And there is no way to link unsupported machines. And most of my machines will have no support cause we have some libraries done by ourselfs. :(
[14:53] <jrib> permalac_: does ebox do what you want?  Don't really know much about either
[14:57] <permalac_> jrib: ebox , as I see , and if nobody else replays, it's a suite to manage services, almost like  webmin. What am I looking for is a system manager, like puppet, cfengine or chef, but with web-based frontend. Something to be able to delegate some administrative tasks to others on the corporation.
[14:57] <jrib> permalac_: I see
[15:18] <smoser> kirkland, you around ?
[15:21] <kirkland> smoser: barely
[15:21] <pmatulis> why would one use iptables "downrules" when the interfaces are going down?
[15:21] <smoser> can i call?
[15:22] <RoyK> pmatulis: erm ... to stop the firewall so that people can get into the now "down" interface? :þ
[15:22] <kirkland> smoser: sure
[15:23] <pmatulis> RoyK: how can you access an interface that is down?
[15:23] <RoyK> pmatulis: ever heard of something called irony? :)
[15:24] <pmatulis> RoyK: ok
[15:24] <shauno> I imagine if you had rules that NAT'd to that interface, you'd want to replace them when that if goes down
[15:26] <RoyK> pmatulis:  I guess it's just how ubuntu works - you want to get rid of anything not related to the current setup once you don't need it
[15:27] <pmatulis> shauno: replace them with what?
[15:33] <Raboo> Hi
[15:33] <Raboo> is this a good channel to get help with setting up a IPSEC tunnel using racoon and ipsec-tools?
[15:34] <RoyK> well, just shoot - someone might know
[15:34]  * RoyK doesn't
[15:36] <_ruben> racoon *shiver*
[15:37] <Raboo> hehe
[15:38] <_ruben> messed with it ages ago, its quite flexible, in fact, its flexibility makes it near useless for the average task
[15:39] <Raboo> should i like pastebin my error?
[15:39] <_ruben> that'd be a decent start (though i doubt i'd be of any help personally)
[15:39] <Raboo> hehe
[15:40] <Raboo> well it's like 2-3 lines of error
[15:40] <Raboo> will i get beaten for pasting that here?
[15:40] <_ruben> pastebin allows for easier referencing in case you need to restate your issue
[15:41] <Raboo> well i have problems with my phase 1 negotiation due to send error
[15:43] <Raboo> it also says IPsec-SA request for xx.xx.xx.xx queued due to no phase1 found.
[15:44] <_ruben> dont bother with debuggin ipsec-sa issues as long as your phase1 doesnt work ;)
[15:44] <Raboo> so if someone here has setup ipsec using racoon before, please let me know and i will expalin further and show my configuration file
[15:44] <Raboo> Well, the thing is, it did work.. I think..
[15:44] <_ruben> just out of curiosity, why use racoon and not strongswan/openswan/etc? they tend to be much more user/admin friendly
[15:45] <_ruben> if it stopped working without you changing anything, perhaps the remote end changed something :)
[15:46] <Raboo> ohh
[15:46] <Raboo> well i choose racoon, cause i thought it was the easier method
[15:47] <_ruben> racoon is very low-level
[15:47] <Raboo> so which is best, strongswan or openswan
[15:47] <_ruben> need to define every detail "by hand"
[15:47] <_ruben> matter of personal preference really .. i prefer openswan, but must also admit i never used strongswan ;)
[15:48] <_ruben> both are forks of the old frees/wan
[15:48] <Raboo> are they both up-to-date?
[15:48] <Raboo> ok
[15:48] <_ruben> openswan is actively maintained, dunno about strongswan, but i think it is as well
[15:48] <Raboo> ohh yea, it was freeswan that was the obsolete one
[15:49] <Raboo> ipsec gives me headache
[15:50] <_ruben> ipsec sure is a complex matter
[15:50] <Raboo> i think starcraft 2 is the solution to my headache
[15:50] <_ruben> heheh
[15:50] <Raboo> is that like cussing in here?
[15:50] <Raboo> a game, that requires windows or OS X
[15:51] <_ruben> as far as im concerned: no :)
[15:51] <_ruben> each os has its purposes
[15:51] <_ruben> we dont expect you to run ubuntu-server on your desktop ;)
[15:51] <hggdh> Daviey: another go at euca lucid?
[15:51] <Raboo> You don't? :-)
[15:51] <_ruben> correction: *i* don't ;)
[15:52] <Raboo> hehe
[15:52] <_ruben> i cant speak for others obviously
[15:52] <Raboo> well i will have a look at the *SWAN
[15:52] <Raboo> se which one has easiest documentation
[15:52] <\sh> _ruben: my laptop is running -server kernel on my laptop ;) but that's me
[15:53] <_ruben> for openswan be sure to check #openswan (not that active) and its mailinglists, the website is kinda outdated (most resources go into the code, not the web)
[15:53] <\sh> oh my...now I repeat already words ... too much server deployment today error
[15:53] <_ruben> \sh: still, running -server on a desktop isnt the same as expecting others to do so ;)
[15:54] <_ruben> desktop in the broadest sense, thus including laotops :)
[15:54] <_ruben> woah, laptops :)
[15:55] <_ruben> anyway .. time for me to head home .. bbl
[16:19] <smoser> kirkland, ami-7238cd1b
[16:19] <smoser> is ebs/ubuntu-maverick-daily-i386-server-20100921
[16:19] <smoser> us-east-1
[16:19] <smoser> use that
[16:21] <kirkland> smoser: would prefer 64 bit
[16:21] <smoser> price goes up
[16:21] <smoser> us-east-1 ami-7638cd1f canonical ebs/ubuntu-maverick-daily-amd64-server-20100921
[16:37] <SpamapS> kirkland: do you want my "maverick" script that automatically spawns the cheapest possible instance given the size (defaults to c1.medium because I find myself doing builds more often than anything else)
[16:47] <Datz>  Is there a way to see descriptions for updates using aptitude or other?
[16:48] <hggdh> Datz: aptitude changelog xyz
[16:49] <Datz> hggdh: thank you :)
[16:49] <smoser> SpamapS, i want ot see it
[16:51] <Daviey> hggdh, i386 is fail on my local :(
[16:51] <Daviey> hggdh, testing amd64 lucid -> maverick is more useful at this stage, i think
[16:51] <Datz> hggdh: I'm tring somethign like this with no result:" aptitude changlog linux-headers-2.6.32-24-server
[16:51] <hggdh> Daviey: pretty much all the failures I got are related to the apparmour bug ttx raised
[16:52] <Datz> hggdh: I realize my error, working, thanks
[16:52] <sbeattie> hggdh: which bug?
[16:53] <\sh> _ruben: that's right :)
[16:53] <hggdh> sbeattie: looking
[16:53] <hggdh> Datz: try linux-headers-generic
[16:54] <ttx> hggdh: but you got instances running ?
[16:54] <ttx> hggdh: or you had to disable apparmor to get them running ?
[16:54] <hggdh> ttx: yes, about 40%
[16:54] <hggdh> ttx: no, I did not disable apparmour. Which is weird, but ah well
[16:56] <Datz> hggdh: having a look, thanks
[16:56] <ttx> hggdh: hrm
[16:56] <ttx> hggdh: please comment on that bug, that will prove I'm not insane
[16:56] <hggdh> ttx: what is the bug#? I cannot find it
[16:57] <hggdh> ttx: I will do more, I will add a link to the logs
[16:57] <Datz> hggdh: lastest -generic and -server changelog is the same FYI ;)
[16:58] <hggdh> Datz: darn!
[16:58] <hggdh> Datz: well, if it is installed you can always look at /usr/share/doc/<packagename>
[16:59] <ttx> hggdh: Bug 628055
[16:59] <ttx> hggdh: maybe there is a eucalyptus bug in there, after all.
[16:59] <hggdh> ttx: thank you; sbeattie ^
[16:59] <Datz> hggdh: tis not, just wondering if I needed to update to latest kernel right away. :)
[17:01] <ttx> sbeattie: our latest suggestion is that it's not an apparmor bug, rather a libvirt bug that leaves a strange error message pointing to apparmor
[17:01] <ttx> and potentially a eucalyptus bug triggering a weird libvirt behavior triggering an apparmor-related error message.
[17:02] <ttx> the whole thing being a bit clouded by bug report hijacking.
[17:02]  * ttx will be back in 2 hours
[17:03] <hggdh> ttx, sbeatie: I will be uploading full logs (that is, the whole of /var/log) plus the test programme, and will add a link on the bug
[17:06] <sbeattie> hggdh: okay. It *is* possible that there's a bug in the apparmor kernel code where it might not be logging a rejection of something when it should.
[17:06] <hggdh> ttx, sbeattie: rephrasing: on Lucid, I had 63% success; on Maverick, all failed
[17:07] <hggdh> sbeattie: so it is consistently failing on maverick, after all
[17:31] <crankygeek01> When I log into my server I am getting this error message
[17:31] <crankygeek01>                       "/usr/bin/xauth:  /home/matt/.Xauthority not writable,
[17:31] <crankygeek01>                       changes will be ignored" This was not there yesterday and
[17:32] <crankygeek01>                       I am not sure what it means....any help?
[17:34] <crankygeek01> When I log into my server I am getting this error message "/usr/bin/xauth:/home/matt/.Xauthority not writable,changes will be ignored" This was not there yesterday and I am not sure what it means....any help?
[17:50] <pmatulis> with virt-manager, is it normal that i cannot remove guests image files when deleting guests?
[17:51] <pmatulis> (there is a yellow triangle with and exclamation mark)
[17:51] <pmatulis> filesystem permissions look ok
[18:02] <Daviey> ttx / hggdh: My local i386 Maverick... 2 instances ran, one went from pending -> running -> terminated... the other seemed to go from pending -> terminated
[18:02] <hggdh> Daviey: were you able to copy the console.log and .mxl from them?
[18:02] <hggdh> .xml
[18:03]  * hggdh is, meanwhile, netbooting to Maverick
[18:03] <Daviey> hggdh, didn't attempt to :(
[18:03] <Daviey> but i'm pretty sure it's the same failure
[18:03] <Daviey> hggdh, Give me some good news :)
[18:04] <hggdh> I am falling from the tenth floor, right now at the third, and all looks good so far ;-)
[18:04] <hggdh> Daviey: I should have them in about 30min
[18:14] <mathiaz> SpamapS: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce
[18:39] <hggdh> mathiaz: could you adjust the flowcharts on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUPolicy -- where is says 'verification-succeeded' to 'verification-done'
[18:40] <hggdh> mathiaz: alternatively, if you give me the sources, I can do it
[18:45] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've attached the origianl dia files
[18:45] <hggdh> mathiaz: thank you
[18:56] <hggdh> smoser: there?
[18:56] <smoser> here
[18:56] <hggdh> what happened with --use-loader from uec-publish-tarball?
[18:57] <smoser> what do you mean ?
[18:58] <hggdh> I just tried it, from a netbooted install of Maverick -- it is not there anymore
[18:58] <smoser> hggdh,
[18:58] <hggdh> cloud-utils https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/SRUPolicy
[18:58] <hggdh> dammit
[18:59] <hggdh> cloud-utils 0.11-0ubuntu1
[18:59] <smoser> $ apt-cache policy cloud-utils
[18:59] <smoser> cloud-utils:
[18:59] <smoser>   Installed: 0.15ubuntu1
[18:59] <smoser>   Candidate: 0.15ubuntu1
[19:00] <hggdh> oh
[19:00] <hggdh> I know what I did :-(
[19:00] <hggdh> installed bloody lucid instead of Maverick :-(
[19:01] <hggdh> ah well. since it is there, I will test upgrading
[19:01] <hggdh> sorry smoser...
[19:08] <Four2zero> hello everyone. I'm running samba and i have installed webmin, and i am noticing multiple entry's displaying in my Network that are from the same box: http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210910/1285092388.jpg I have checked the smb.config and it does not show any other entries
[19:08] <Four2zero> how can i fix this ?
[19:11] <nakhlawi> As far as I know, webmin is not supported anymore in Ubuntu. Maybe others can verify?
[19:11] <Pici> !webmin
[19:14] <Four2zero> ah crap...lol
[19:14] <Four2zero> need to remove it then
[19:14] <Four2zero> thnx
[19:21] <_ruben> what tend ppl to use nowaydays as fs for a fileserver?
[19:23] <nakhlawi> _ruben: come again please
[19:23] <Four2zero> _ruben ext4
[19:23] <_ruben> woah, kinda cryptic indeed now i read it back :p
[19:24] <Four2zero> or reiserFS
[19:24] <_ruben> which is the recommended filesystem to use for a fileserver .. was kinda defaulting to ext4, but curious how others might think of it
[19:25] <Four2zero> _ruben http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[19:25] <nakhlawi> I use ext3 for Samba sharing, on a small installation though.
[19:25] <Four2zero> http://www.linux.org/lessons/advanced/x1254.html
[19:26] <Four2zero> im using ext4 on ubuntu-server
[19:26] <Four2zero> ext3 for boot
[19:26] <_ruben> for /boot i tend to use ext2 even
[19:26] <ScottK> reiser is pretty unmaintained for a long time.
[19:27] <_ruben> my previous install was using xfs, but heard quite some horror stories about that one in the mean time ;)
[19:27] <Four2zero> stick with ext4
[19:28] <Four2zero> its made for high performance
[19:28] <Four2zero> :)
[19:28] <_ruben> software raid5 over 6 1tb disks .. performance isnt the key here ;)
[19:28] <pwnguin> so i get in today and my ubuntu vm has crashed pretty badly
[19:28] <pwnguin> "task apache2:<pid> blocked for more than 120 seconds"
[19:28] <_ruben> oh well .. 686mins to go for raid volume initialization ;)
[19:29] <pwnguin> unresponsive on ssh
[19:29] <pwnguin> unresponsive on http
[19:30] <quentusrex> pwnguin, that is a kvm issue
[19:30] <quentusrex> I have had the same issue before.
[19:30] <pwnguin> its vmware =/
[19:30] <quentusrex> nvm
[19:31] <pwnguin> vmware console isn't responding to keyboard input
[19:31] <pwnguin> well not true
[19:31] <pwnguin> i can switch vts
[19:31] <pwnguin> but i cant log in
[19:31] <pwnguin> short of rebooting, is there anything else one can try?
[19:32] <pwnguin> quentusrex: indeed, a lot of googling suggests kernel bugs
[19:35] <Four2zero> should i change the default port that ebox uses for better security enhancement.
[19:35] <ScottK> How would that improve security?
[19:35] <quentusrex> pwnguin, I was able to resolve the issue with "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[19:36] <pwnguin> quentusrex: i can't log in =/
[19:36] <quentusrex> if you can get in any other way
[19:37] <quentusrex> you can't do it over standard networking
[19:37] <pwnguin> its a vm
[19:37] <Aqaz> If spamassasin can filter spam why one need to use SquirrelMail plugins?
[19:37] <quentusrex> kvm has a recovery console
[19:37] <pwnguin> ive tried ssh, ive tried the vmware virtual console interface
[19:37] <quentusrex> and I can get in over that.
[19:37] <pwnguin> i can switch vts on the virtual console, but the login prompt isn't responding
[19:38] <pwnguin> it kinda looks like reboot territory. it's not a mission critical system, and it's already as bad as it can get
[19:40] <pwnguin> i guess the only question is what logs will still be around after a reboot
[19:51] <slyboots> Hi
[19:52] <slyboots> Jsut notced some new behavior from my Ubuntu-server; its set to forward on email from root to my email account, and the last two three weeks been getting this email about.. twice a ay?
[19:52] <slyboots> "start: Job is already running: anacron"
[19:52] <axisys> how do I let another group to install pkgs ? giving them full sudo is the only option ?
[19:54] <u92> I cant find an up to date package for ClamAV
[19:55] <ScottK> u92: What release are you on?
[19:55] <slyboots> Im not even sure what Anacron is; I was under the impreeion that you just used.. cron; I checked Crontab but I have no tasks running
[19:56] <slyboots> So; Im unsure whats calling anacron; or what its supposed to be doing that its producing the error
[19:56] <u92> hardy 8.04
[19:56] <ScottK> u92: The version in hardy-backports is ~ up to date.  We're working on testing the new release now.
[19:57] <u92> the 0.96.* release,   cause i updated apt, and i keep getting 0.92.*
[19:57] <ScottK> u92: Then you don't have -updates enabled.
[19:57] <ScottK> 0.95.3 is in hardy-updates and 0.96.1 is in hardy-backports
[20:03] <kevinash> Hi, I don't want to mess this up, so could someone help me write a crontab command that runs 'apt-get update' then 'apt-get safe-upgrade'?
[20:10] <pedahzur> kevinash: Which file are you editing?  The user's crontab?
[20:10] <pedahzur> For y'all's information, I just reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libnss-ldap/+bug/644632
[20:11] <kevinash> pedahzur: the admin user I've set up (a sudoer)
[20:11] <pedahzur> kevinash: So you invoked 'crontab -e' as that user?
[20:12] <kevinash> pedahzur: From the command line I do 'sudo crontab-e'
[20:12] <pedahzur> kevinash:
[20:12] <pedahzur> oops
[20:12] <pedahzur> kevinash: OK, what schedule to you want for the update commands?
[20:13] <kevinash> pedahzur: daily at about 5am (I'm actually OK with doing the timer bit, though)
[20:14] <pedahzur> kevinash: 0    5    *    *    *    apt-get update && apt-get safe-upgrade
[20:14] <pedahzur> kevinash: You can do tabs between columns, instead of spaces.
[20:15] <kevinash> pedahzur: Ah, so the && means 'wait until the first command has finished'?
[20:15] <_Techie_> just wondering, whats the flag safe-upgrade do?
[20:15] <pedahzur> kevinash: Basically, execute the next command if the previous command completed successfully (exited with an exit code of zero), but yes, 'wait' is implied.
[20:16] <kevinash> _Techie_: Truth be told, I'm using 'aptitude', but I was told that most of you folks use apt-get, so I thought I'd phrase it that way.
[20:16] <zoopster> kevinash: any reason you wouldn't just install unattended-upgrades? and use the /etc/cron.daily/apt script to manage it?
[20:16] <kevinash> pedahzur: Thank you so much. That's extremely helpful
[20:16] <pedahzur> kevinash: no problem
[20:17] <_Techie_> kevinash, if you were told that the otehr day, it was me who told you
[20:17] <kevinash> zoopster: If I knew that was possible I'd have done it that way! Thanks for the tip.
[20:17] <kevinash> _Techie_: <g>
[20:18] <kevinash> zoopster: Do you know if this is available for aptitude too (Don't answr if it's a RTFM, response...)
[20:18] <zoopster> kevinash: this==unattended-upgrades?
[20:19] <kevinash> zoopster: yes. sorry.
[20:21] <zoopster> kevinash: looks like it uses the python apt:: library? so I'd say no
[20:28] <kevinash> zoopster: thanks for looking. I guess I'll use pedahurz cron script
[20:28] <zoopster> kevinash: it's a project on launchpad.net so you can dive into the code, just a FE for what's already there for apt
[20:30] <kevinash> zoopster: I'll take a look. Thnanks for your help
[20:30] <theyranos> Anybody know a reference comparing Postfix and Exim? I'm rebuilding my mail system from scratch and not sure whether I should stick with my old MTA?
[20:32] <javatexan> howdy all
[20:32] <pwnguin> quentusrex: well, alt+sysrq+e seems to have fixed part of it
[20:32] <pedahzur> theyranos: no reference off the top of my head, but in my (somewhat limited) experience, Postfix has been easier to configure.
[20:32] <pwnguin> silly question: what log files are deleted on reboot?
[20:33] <theyranos> pedahzur: i've heard that too, which is why I'm considering the switch.
[20:33]  * theyranos will now go read the postfix manual
[20:33] <pedahzur> theyranos: How complex is your setup? You may be able to configure everything you need for Postfix just from the Debconf install questions. :)
[20:33] <javatexan> where is the ubuntu custom error page for apache2 on ubuntu server?  Is it just the apache default or...\\
[20:34] <_ruben> theyranos: a rather common response to such a question is: use whichever you are (currently) most comfortable with
[20:34] <nakhlawi> pwnguin: that depends on the logrotate configuration. Also syslog configuration.
[20:34] <pwnguin> nakhlawi: i know dmesg is gonna dissapear
[20:34] <pwnguin> cd
[20:34] <pwnguin> whoops
[20:34] <pwnguin> javatexan: check /usr/share/apache2/error/
[20:34] <_ruben> theyranos: if you're used to exim and know how to tell it to do what you want it to do, why bother switching to an alternative?
[20:34] <theyranos> pedahzur: Not very. It's the primary MX for my domain. Messages get dumped in a dovecot maildir.
[20:35] <theyranos> _ruben: While I've been using exim for several years, I still get hopelessly confused every time I try to change even the slightest thing about its configuration. So the idea behind possibly switching is hoping to find something easier to manage.
[20:36] <_ruben> theyranos: ah ok, that's a pretty valid point then ;)
[20:36] <pedahzur> theyranos: Yeah, sounds pretty easy.  I'd install postfix, answer the basic questions, and see how far that gets you.  You can always 'apt-get remove --purge' if you want to start over.
[20:36] <theyranos> pedahzur: Fair enough.
[20:36] <_ruben> if you got the resources, you could setup 2 vms, one with exim and one with postfix, try to configure them identically (the way you want), and see which works best for ya ;)
[20:37] <_ruben> postfix+dovecot integration is quite simple indeed
[20:38] <theyranos> _ruben: On one hand, cloning VMs is trivially easy on my host machine. On the other, your suggestion, while intriguing, probably doesn't get me off the backup MX today :-)
[20:38] <_ruben> theyranos: i wasnt aware of you being pressed for time :)
[20:39] <_ruben> a "decent" mail solution takes a fair bit of planning and research
[20:39] <theyranos> not so much pressed as frustrated with the limitations of the backup
[20:39] <_ruben> ic
[20:40] <_ruben> i know the feeling, i've been wanting to overhaul the corporate mail infra for years now, just cant find enough time for it
[20:40] <_ruben> by the time i get halfway making plans, so much new software and other changes have occured, that i might as well start from scratch again ;)
[20:40] <theyranos> well, i discovered recently that the boot files on our primary MX have been corrupted for so long that the "good" backups have been overwritten
[20:41] <_ruben> ouch
[20:41] <theyranos> so it's an opportunity to start from scratch, albeit an annoying one
[20:41] <theyranos> odds are nobody ever would've noticed had the building containing the primary MX's host machine not needed to be rewired.
[20:42] <_ruben> that as well, is a feeling/scenario/whatever i'm too familiar with unfortunately .. been planning and designing for weeks, am like half-way and *boom* .. the current live environment burns down in flames and you need to deploy a replacement like yesterday
[20:42] <_ruben> theyranos: nice
[20:43] <theyranos> i'm grateful the backup MX exists in the first place... it's relatively new :-)
[20:51] <javatexan> okay, that didnt work, i changed both bottom.html and top.html and restarted apache2 with no change in error message
[20:51] <javatexan> I really just want to add a picture to the page and take away the information line at bottom below the spacer
[20:52] <javatexan> for all the error pages
[20:52] <javatexan> :)
[20:55] <PiratedUnderwear> Hello :)
[20:57] <PiratedUnderwear> Does anybody know how to encrypt an Amazon EC2 ami?
[20:57] <veenenen> hey, how is sasl handled by default in postfix? I'm having an issue transferring over my old postfix configurations.
[20:58] <veenenen> I'm switching over to maverick (long story), and the ubuntu+1 chatroom doesn't seem to have anyone that knows anything about postfix.
[20:59] <veenenen> my mail relay provider is throwing an error saying I'm not passing my username and password
[20:59] <PiratedUnderwear> Did you check the documentation for it on the website?
[20:59] <veenenen> but I am, or atleast this same config file used to on my old server.
[21:00] <veenenen> I can't really find anything obvious that has changed.
[21:00] <pedahzur> veenenen: Does anything about SASL on this page help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[21:01] <pedahzur> veenenen: Do you have control over the SASL provider? Or is that someone else's box?
[21:01] <veenenen> Its a third party
[21:01] <veenenen> So, nothing helpful there.
[21:02] <_ruben> veenenen: you are a sasl client right? as in sending the credentials, not the one checking 'em?
[21:02] <veenenen> That community page told me to install a totally new sasl library, but that seems silly
[21:02] <veenenen> It used to just work
[21:02] <veenenen> yeah, I'm the client
[21:02] <_ruben> sasl client config is fairly simple afaik, never hadda use it though
[21:02] <veenenen> I have the credentials in the main.cf file
[21:03] <_ruben> might wanna ask in #postfix .. quite active and a fair ammount of very knowledgable ppl, though they're also likely to tell you too rtfm though ;)
[21:03] <_ruben> postfix.org has a sasl page iirc
[21:03] <pedahzur> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[21:04] <_ruben> grmbl .. phpsysinfo package is still broken
[21:04] <veenenen> ugh. this is going to be painful.
[21:05] <pedahzur> veenenen: All the howtos I just browsed through seem to assume your SASL provider is on the same host as your postfix install, and that you have control over said SASL provider.
[21:05] <pedahzur> veenenen: I'd also try the Postfix mailing list if #postfix doesn't work out.
[21:05] <veenenen> alright, thanks
[21:18] <_Techie_> php no longer seems to be working after a failed update
[21:26] <pedahzur> _Techie_: Oh goody...What updated?
[21:26] <_Techie_> was using webmin this morning to update
[21:26] <_Techie_> had to close the browser half way through
[21:27] <guntbert> !webmin | _Techie_
[21:27] <_Techie_> it in turn raped my apache, ive since recovered apache, but still havent got php5 working
[21:27] <_Techie_> !ebox
[21:28] <guntbert> _Techie_: I don't like ebox, to be honest, tried it twice and removed it "immediately"
[21:29] <pedahzur> guntbert: And eBox has now turned into this: http://www.zentyal.com/
[21:29] <_Techie_> ive been sticking with webmin, as it makes it really easy to manage users virtualhosts in apache
[21:30] <pedahzur> ebox has gone from being a config front end to wanting to be "the server"
[21:31] <pedahzur> Maybe that's just marketing. Maybe you can still use it just for your configuration.
[21:35] <guntbert> pedahzur: I never used it for config because it uses its own files - not the system config files as webmin does
[21:36] <_Techie_> well if ebox can manage my virtualmin GPL servers, maybe ill switch
[21:38] <guntbert> _Techie_: I never trusted it - but as webmin damaged your system...   but be warned...
[21:38] <_Techie_> yeah, i dont trust it fully either
[21:39] <_Techie_> i have mine so it only allows localhost logins, and i use apache to proxy to it and force SSL on the connection
[21:39] <_Techie_> thats how much i trust it
[21:39] <_Techie_> also, i have apache map it to a subdomain
[21:42] <_Techie_> i cant quite get php5 workign again
[21:45] <_Techie_> im about to fully purge anything php5 related
[21:48] <_ruben> _Techie_: define "doesn't work" .. as you reinstalled apache, it *could* be as simple as sudo a2enmod php5 && sudo restart apache2
[21:48] <_Techie_> _ruben, i havent re installed apache, that works, ive re installed using apt-get remove and install, php5* and libapache2-mod-php5
[21:49] <_Techie_> also enabled php5 and restarted apache
[21:51] <_Techie_> _ruben, http://pastebin.com/FZB2WaLx
[21:55] <_Techie_> _ruben, any idea on that error?
[21:56] <_ruben> do you really need libapache2-mod-php5filter ?
[21:56] <_Techie_> shouldnt
[21:56] <_ruben> then remove it
[21:56] <shauno> that looks like you just did apt-get install php5* ?   that's almost terrifying
[21:57] <_Techie_> phpfilter isnt installed
[21:57] <_Techie_> and yes atm im being lazy
[21:57] <_Techie_> once i figure out how to recover it, ill remove it and be picky
[21:57] <_ruben> ah, installing using wildcards is asking for trouble
[21:58] <_Techie_> im in the middle of class so i cant fully concentrate on selecting individual packages
[21:58] <javatexan> are webalizer and awstats the only 2 in repos?  I am sure there is a bot answer for this  ;)  Looks like that last love either of these packages got was back in 2008
[21:58] <_ruben> if you just want php5 support for your apache2, all you need to install is libapache2-mod-php5 (and its dependencies)
[21:58] <_Techie_> _ruben, done that, but ill purge and re install
[21:59] <_Techie_> php module is purged
[22:00] <pedahzur> javatexan: The last releaes for AWStats was December 2008.  The package in the repositories is up to date.
[22:00] <_Techie_> gimme a sec and ill restart apche
[22:01] <_Techie_> _ruben, okay, this is where im at
[22:01] <_Techie_> _ruben, purged both libapache2-mod-php5 and php5* and restarted apache
[22:02] <_ruben> might even wanna purge *php5* or atleast check with dpkg if you have any more php related packages hanging around
[22:03] <_Techie_> *php5* returned E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression
[22:03] <_Techie_>    and some other stuff, but that was the error line
[22:04] <_ruben> dpkg -l \*php\* should give some insights
[22:04] <_ruben> especially the lines starting with 'ii'
[22:05] <_Techie_> gimhttp://pastebin.com/RNEkAVM4
[22:05] <_Techie_> http://pastebin.com/RNEkAVM4 *
[22:05] <_ruben> looks clean enough
[22:06] <_ruben> install libapache2-mod-php5 again
[22:07] <_Techie_> http://pastebin.com/Bm5bkQpV
[22:08] <_ruben> your apache2 config looks quite botched
[22:08] <_Techie_> yeah
[22:08] <_ruben> "Warning: DocumentRoot [/etc/apache2/!] does not exist" sounds way wrong
[22:08] <_Techie_> its been poked and prodded alot
[22:08] <_Techie_> it was doing that before the screwup
[22:09] <_ruben> /etc/apache2 should exist, but should not be your docroot
[22:09] <_Techie_> i dont think it is
[22:09] <_ruben> oh .. the ! is part of the path
[22:09] <_Techie_> ill restart apache, a2enmod php5 and then restart again
[22:09] <_Techie_> that sound good with you
[22:09] <_ruben> search your apache2 config files for any stray exclamation marks
[22:09] <ehcah> Hello. When setting up DDNS, do zone files get created/saved in /etc/bind/ or /var/cache/bind/ ?
[22:10] <_ruben> /var/cache/bind iirc
[22:10] <_ruben> /etc/bind shouldnt be writable by bind itself
[22:10] <ehcah> cool thanks.
[22:11] <ehcah> I'm using a tutorial, but I'm not 100% it is Ubuntu 10.4.
[22:11] <ehcah> Not safe...
[22:11] <Four2zero> wtf, ebox or zentyal will not remove from the system....lol...i ran "sudo apt-get remove zyntal" and im still getting the web configuration page, how do i completely remove it ?
[22:12] <_Techie_> _ruben, i supressed that error via sudo mkdir /etc/apache2/\!
[22:12] <Four2zero> and ran command sudo autoremove
[22:12] <_ruben> _Techie_: nasty ;)
[22:12] <_Techie_> i wouldnt mind re installing and starting again, but its too much work atm
[22:12] <_ruben> _Techie_: though assuming your apache config isnt *too* botched, and you did a full restart of apache2 (not just reload), php oughta be working again
[22:13] <_Techie_> always restart
[22:13] <_Techie_> never reload
[22:13] <pedahzur> ehcah: Unless you have a need for Bind, you might look at dnsmasq.  It does DNS caching, and DHCP serving all in one.
[22:13] <_Techie_> _ruben, still not working, http://phpsysinfo.technz.info/
[22:14] <ehcah> I'm trying to setup DYNDns
[22:14] <_ruben> _Techie_: works for me
[22:14] <_Techie_> _ruben, really, green page with info?
[22:14] <shauno> _Techie_: ditto
[22:14] <_ruben> yup
[22:14] <pedahzur> ehcah: Then you shouldn't need bind at all.  Just a client that updates dyndns when your IP changes.
[22:14] <_Techie_> hrmm, doesnt work here, ill reload my web browser
[22:15] <ehcah> pedahzur: The tutorial I'm using suggests I create files rather than use a client?
[22:15] <shauno> not sure you really need 6Gb of swap, but it's not showing me php errors :)
[22:15] <_Techie_> _ruben, im stil getting prompted to save the php file
[22:15] <pedahzur> ehcah: What's the URL?
[22:16] <_ruben> _Techie_: try different browser to rule out cache?
[22:16] <_Techie_> _ruben, it asks to save the file both in firefox and IE
[22:16] <_Techie_> ill give firefox portable with socks a stab
[22:17] <pedahzur> ehcah: Yeah, that's setting up dynamic DNS and DHCP on your local box.  Is that what you want?  Or are you setting up http://www.dyndns.com/
[22:17] <_Techie_> _ruben, okay, portable firefox via socks usign ssh is workign
[22:17] <qman__> ehcah, there are two kinds of dynamic DNS -- one kind is to have an internet-based subdomain service like dyndns point to your changing IP, this kind does not require BIND at all
[22:17] <ehcah> I'm fairly sure this URL is what I need?
[22:17] <qman__> the other kind is to dynamically set local DNS to all your DHCP clients on the LAN
[22:18] <qman__> which does require BIND, and is probably what you're following a tutorial for
[22:18] <ehcah> qman: You have me thinking now.
[22:18] <_ruben> _Techie_: clear the caches of your browsers then, or do a force reload (ctrl-f5 i think)
[22:18] <qman__> if you're using dyndns, all you need to do is wget the URL they give you at regular intervals
[22:18] <ehcah> I'm trying to replicate a different service I tried.
[22:19] <ehcah> The other service was using Open DNS on Fedora.
[22:19] <ehcah> I liked it.
[22:19] <qman__> I use afraid.org
[22:20] <ehcah> Regardless, I'm 3/4 down the path I started.
[22:20] <ehcah> I just wasn't sure I was going to create files in the right directory.
[22:20] <qman__> what I'm getting at, is that these are two completely different things
[22:20] <qman__> so what are you after, exactly?
[22:20] <ehcah> Everything to this point has been mostly editing, not net new.
[22:21] <ehcah> Accessing my box through URL like ACME.homelinux.com
[22:21] <ehcah> Or something like that.
[22:21] <qman__> then you don't need BIND at all
[22:21] <ehcah> You're killing me.
[22:21] <qman__> you just need a dynamic DNS service like dyndns or afraid.org
[22:22] <qman__> and a simple wget script at regular intervals
[22:22] <ehcah> Using their client?
[22:22] <ehcah> oh.
[22:22] <qman__> the BIND tutorial is for using DNS on your LAN, instead of things like hosts files or netbios
[22:22] <qman__> yeah, or their client
[22:23] <qman__> there are a number of ways to update it
[22:23] <ehcah> host access is what I wanted my lan. Ie. router.mylan.com
[22:23] <qman__> I do the wget route with a script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/
[22:23] <ehcah> or brother7440n.mylan.com
[22:23] <pedahzur> apt-cache search dyndns will give you a list of clients that come with ubuntu.
[22:23] <qman__> so you want internal DNS, or from the internet?
[22:24] <qman__> because they're separate
[22:24] <qman__> also, you shouldn't use .com
[22:24] <qman__> not unless you own that domain name
[22:24] <qman__> it'll cause problems
[22:24] <qman__> use something like .lan
[22:24] <ehcah> I know, but thought I needed both if I'm using my server for DHCP and other lan services.
[22:25] <ehcah> My telco gateway only provides internet connectivity.
[22:25] <hggdh> Daviey: bug 644733 ;-)
[22:25] <qman__> yes, but what I'm asking is, do you want to access your box by a DNS name from the internet, or from your LAN?
[22:25] <ehcah> I may not be answering you correctly, but both???
[22:26] <_Techie_> qman__, lemme try, ehcah do you want other people to be able to use the domain name?
[22:26] <ehcah> Funny.
[22:26] <_ruben> hmm .. should see if can get working temps on my sysinfo as well .. http://jupiter.ipv6.tun0.nl.ipv4.sixxs.org/phpsysinfo/index.php?disp=dynamic
[22:26] <qman__> and you want all your names to be internet accessible, such as router. and brother.?
[22:26] <ehcah> Kids/wife.
[22:26] <_ruben> then again, time for bed now
[22:26] <qman__> because that's incredibly risky
[22:26] <ehcah> only my server.
[22:26] <qman__> ok, then you need to do both things
[22:26] <_Techie_> _ruben, its not hard
[22:26] <qman__> the BIND tutorial will provide the local DNS
[22:26] <ehcah> and just for vpn or ssh.
[22:27] <qman__> and dyndns/afriad.org/etc will provide the internet name
[22:27] <_ruben> _Techie_: depends on whether the hardware is supported or not ;)
[22:27] <_Techie_> _ruben, most likely it is
[22:27] <qman__> I'd also suggest using two different names
[22:28] <_ruben> 514minutes left to init the raid volume, should be done by morning .. i hope
[22:28] <_ruben> bbl :)
[22:28] <qman__> your internet name could be yournetwork.dyndns.com, while your local DNS could be mylan.lan
[22:28] <ehcah> In my last config, everything was .com.
[22:29] <qman__> using a .com domain for local DNS can cause problems
[22:29] <ehcah> k.
[22:29] <qman__> as can any real TLD
[22:29] <qman__> don't use .local either, that can cause problems too
[22:29] <qman__> but pretty much anything else is okay
[22:30] <_Techie_> often people use .internal
[22:30] <qman__> you could call it .omgwtfbbq if you wanted
[22:30] <ehcah> If it makes any difference. I actually own the .com domain name that I'm using.
[22:30] <ehcah> LOL
[22:30] <ehcah> The .com is not published or active.
[22:30] <qman__> you just want it to be distinctly fake, because it doesn't work from the internet
[22:30] <ehcah> got it.
[22:31] <ehcah> Knowing that I control if that domain ever goes active, I thought I was safe.
[22:31] <qman__> you would be safe, but it's still a good idea not to use it
[22:31] <qman__> some applications are dumb
[22:31] <qman__> and expect .com to be on the internet
[22:31] <ehcah> so is me
[22:31] <qman__> even when it clearly isn't
[22:32] <qman__> now, if you own your own .com domain, you could have that point to you from the internet
[22:32] <qman__> but that's beyond the scope of that tutorial, it's a separate task
[22:32] <ehcah> Funny as it sounds, I feel a bit safer with ***.dyndns.com domain rather than a ***.com domain.
[22:33] <ehcah> It is also a different DYN service.
[22:34] <qman__> yeah
[22:34] <qman__> sorry for the confusion, I simply assumed you were looking for one or the other
[22:34] <ehcah> No worries. I'm the problem as I'm not able to articulate my requirements clearly.
[22:35] <ehcah> My life would be easier if I could just hire someone to do this for me.
[22:35] <qman__> indeed
[22:36] <qman__> on a related note, if you're serving SSH to the internet, make sure you take steps to protect it, such as a limiting firewall or fail2ban
[22:36] <qman__> also suggest using key based auth
[22:36] <ehcah> ok.
[22:37] <qman__> there are bots that constantly scan for and brute force them
[22:37] <ehcah> The other setup I ran for a bit was on Fedora.
[22:38] <ehcah> I have had enough trouble learning bits and pieces of Ubuntu.
[22:38] <ehcah> I also have 5 desktops running ubuntu, so to me, it only made sense to go full in.
[22:38] <ehcah> My original goal was to replicate WHS.
[22:39] <qman__> well, the debian way is quite a bit different from redhat/fedora
[22:39] <ehcah> yes.
[22:39] <qman__> as I'm sure you've figured out
[22:39] <ehcah> Big time.
[22:40] <_Techie_> bbs
[22:40] <ehcah> Every box I have is different too.
[22:40] <ehcah> hardware wise.
[22:41] <qman__> I first tried ubuntu with 5.10 and fell in love with the way it does things
[22:41] <qman__> I was never much of a redhat fan
[22:41] <qman__> but that's all personal preference
[22:41] <ehcah> Agreed.
[22:41] <ehcah> and based on one's experiences.
[22:42] <qman__> in my opinion, it's worth the effort to learn the differences, because in the end, it'll make things easier
[22:45] <_Techie_> that bad update did more than rip apart my php
[22:45] <_Techie_> =(
[22:45] <_Techie_> now i gotta re tweak lighthttpd and my sockets
[22:48] <_Techie_> along with checking all the required php stuff is installed
[23:12] <hggdh> Daviey: and... bug 644759
[23:13] <Daviey> hggdh, oh joy.
[23:13] <hggdh> Daviey: aye. So two of them so far (not counting the images being lost)
[23:18] <Daviey> :(
[23:19] <ghaleb> q
[23:23] <ghaleb> hello, I have files in range of 3 to 5 GB on two vpn sites, I would like to use rsync to keep them synchronized, moving the whole file is a heavy process over the internet, is it possible to move only the difference within the file ?
[23:35] <theyranos> What can cause "ssh main process terminated with status 255"? openssh-server works for the first five or so minutes the server is running, then kicks off any logged in user and dies with that message in /var/log/syslog. If I manually restart with /etc/init.d/ssh start it works for about the same amount of time. I already have ListenAddress <IP_ADDRESS> in my sshd_config.
[23:36] <pwnguin> theyranos: oom?
[23:36] <theyranos> pwnguin: eh?
[23:37] <pwnguin> out of memory
[23:37] <pwnguin> although i guess ssh shouldn't exit in that case
[23:37] <pwnguin> as the kernel will straight up kill it
[23:38] <theyranos> Got 200 of 512 MB free.
[23:42] <pwnguin> theyranos: 255 means that the ssh connection died, not the process you're trying to run
[23:42] <pwnguin> that's about all that you can glean from that message
[23:43] <pwnguin> you can turn on debugging
[23:43] <theyranos> oddly, setting LogLevel to DEBUG2 seems to have solved the problem
[23:43] <pwnguin> heh
[23:44] <theyranos> spoke too soon... just took longer to die