[05:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[kde]: controls 2.0.7 now...
[06:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> "OvenWerks" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_OvenWerks:matrix.org): Yep, got the email with the tag, I'll take care of it in the morning.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: studio-controls updates all uploaded.


[04:50] <zepka1> Hello people
[09:55] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:46] <halvors1> Hi. AppArmor is apparantly destroying my VPN conncetion with StrongSwan, any way to fix this? http://pastebin.com/21V17bVP
[12:48] <sdeziel> halvors1: try adding: "owner @{PROC}/@{pid}/fd/ r," to /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.lib.ipsec.charon
[12:49] <sdeziel> halvors1: then reload the profile with: apparmor_parser -r -T -W /etc/apparmor.d/usr.lib.ipsec.charon
[12:49] <halvors1> sdeziel: Isn't this something that would be corrected in the strongswan package?
[12:50] <sdeziel> halvors1: yes but testing the manual fix first would be useful
[12:53] <halvors1> sdeziel: The VPN tunnels works for several hours at first.
[12:53] <halvors1> Then it goes down and doesn't come up again unless i restart it manually.
[12:54] <halvors1> So there is no way to be sure that this fix works before it has gone several hours from now.
[12:54] <sdeziel> halvors1: which version of strongswan do you have installed?
[12:57] <halvors1> Linux strongSwan U5.3.5/K4.2.0-34-generic
[12:57] <halvors1> So 5.3.5 :)
[12:58] <sdeziel> that's one odd mix of kernel/userland versions
[12:59] <sdeziel> 5.3.5 only shipped with Xenial yet you have Wily's kernel
[13:00] <halvors1> sdeziel: I know. Trying to use 5.3.5 from xenial repo on wily since i had so much trouble with wily's build.
[13:00] <halvors1> Same issue duo.
[13:01] <halvors1> sdeziel: Do you want me to use the wily version instead?
[13:04] <sdeziel> halvors1: I'd suggest to open a bug in LP describing your environment (including a list of all the packages related to Strongswan).
[13:05] <sdeziel> halvors1: I never ran into this denial but we have different testing environments. I only ever used Stronswan on Trusty and Xenial
[13:05] <sdeziel> halvors1: if that's feasible, you could try to reproduce the issue with a clean/pure Xenial machine?
[13:08] <halvors1> sdeziel: Ok, haha another solution is just to disable apparmor.
[13:08] <halvors1> Really it's almost only trouble.
[13:09] <sdeziel> halvors1: you can try that too but I'd recommend to only disable the charon profile
[13:10] <sdeziel> halvors1: FYI, Apparmor might only be a red herring like it was in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/strongswan/+bug/1549436
[13:10] <halvors1> sdeziel: How do i do that?
[13:11] <sdeziel> halvors1:
[13:11] <sdeziel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor#Disable_one_profile
[13:14] <halvors1> sdeziel: Thanks, i'll monitor the connection with your proposed fix first.
[13:15] <halvors1> sdeziel: Should "owner" be replaced with the user or just stay as it is?
[13:16] <sdeziel> halvors1: "owner" requires the executable to be run by the same user as the file/dir owner for the rule to match.
[13:26] <CrummyGummy> Hi, do any of you know of a security ppa for Natty? I realise it's unsupported but I need to upgrade openssl quite urgently.
[13:27] <henkjan> CrummyGummy: there is no security ppa for Natty
[13:27] <CrummyGummy> then any src for an up to date openssl deb?
[13:28] <henkjan> CrummyGummy: you can try to point your /etc/apt/sources.list.dist to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[13:28] <Pici> Since it EOL'd in October 2012, you're not going to get any updates dated past then.
[13:29] <CrummyGummy> I know :(
[13:29] <henkjan> installing an openssl .deb from a new release will give you headaches i'm afraid
[13:29] <CrummyGummy> Any idea how risk it would be to install by hand?
[13:29] <CrummyGummy> I have it compiled and ready to install. Just a bit nervous...
[13:30] <henkjan> why would you even try to update openssl as the rest of your system has gaping holes al around?
[13:30] <CrummyGummy> Just to make connectivity work to a client.
[13:31] <CrummyGummy> we're moving away from this server slowly. It's one of those legacy boxes that we're to scared tu update.
[13:32] <CrummyGummy> there's always one...
[13:36] <patdk-wk> the thing about openssl is
[13:36] <patdk-wk> it will just work, or you will have to recompile everything that uses it :(
[13:37] <patdk-wk> and that is when you stay within the same version :(
[14:50] <runelind_q> if I'm doing a repository, do I want to delete the Packages file every time before re-running dpkg-scanpackages?
[14:57] <runelind_q> I guess it is re-creating it since I'm doing > Packages.gz
[15:54] <cyphermox> hey, if someone cares a lot about ntp; this seems like it might be a relatively easy bug to fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntp/+bug/1558125
[15:55] <cyphermox> ^ I'm pointing it out here because ntp is subscribed by the server team, I may otherwise get up to it $later
[15:57] <nacc> kickinz1: --^ ?
[15:58] <cyphermox> if you need help reproducing I can perhaps get the reporter or his manager or someone to get more info quickly.
[16:27] <tuor> Hi, I'm working on a preseed file. I trying to add an apt repo while installing. This is my preseed file: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15402527/
[16:27] <tuor> My goal: add the puppetlabs repos directly during the installation.
[16:28] <tuor> What I tried now: Add Ubuntus "ch" archiv as repo.
[16:29] <tuor> Problem: When installing, I get an error in the "select and install software" stage.
[16:30] <tuor> Line 162 of my preseed file is the intresting part. What am I doing wrong? Or how can I find out what I'm doing wrong?
[16:31] <tuor> If I remove the 2 lines 162 and 163 it works.
[16:47] <kickinz1> nacc, cyphermox looking
[16:52] <nacc> kickinz1: thanks!
[17:23] <tuor> It's working now. I just don't know what is different^^
[18:58] <jjrabbit443> hello
[18:59] <jjrabbit443> is creating a swap file on ubuntu the equivalent of having a pagefile on windows?
[19:02] <lordievader> Pretty much.
[19:03] <jjrabbit443> if you are low on RAM isn't a swap file on an SSD drive pretty much as good as using RAM anyway?
[19:03] <jjrabbit443> as far as I/O speed
[19:04] <sarnold> not even close; ram on high-end cpus can run at ~60 gigabytes per second; an ssd connected via sata can only run at 500 megabytes per second
[19:04] <sarnold> don't get me wrong, ssds are way better than hard drives
[19:04] <sarnold> s/hard drives/spinning metal/
[19:05] <sarnold> but there's no substitute for real ram when you need it
[19:06] <jjrabbit443> wow ok nevermind
[19:06] <jjrabbit443> sounds like even old ass RAM sticks would blow SSD I/O out of the water
[19:08] <sarnold> yeah :) old-ass ram may only go 20 gigabytes per second or something -- check intel's ARK for details for your processor -- but it's still better than swap by a lot :)
[23:01] <l1meon> Hello, I have a question. How can I run a script for web using ipv6 instead of ipv4? Say I have ipv4: <IP_ADDRESS>, and 4 ipv6: 2e2e:xxx:xxx
[23:03] <sarnold> l1meon: do you mean, something like a php script that you run in apache's mod_php or fastcgi or similar?
[23:04] <sarnold> l1meon: does i already work with ipv4? is there something preventing your apache from binding to the ipv6 addresses you want?
[23:27] <antonispgs> hey guys nice to be here
[23:28] <antonispgs> so the script for rtorrent i used on a remote seedbox created a nice website where i can see my downloads
[23:28] <antonispgs> https://IP/download/user/
[23:28] <antonispgs> i am now transferring stuff that are going in folders inside https://IP/download/user/rtorrent/downloads at which point i get a 403 forbidden error
[23:29] <antonispgs> is there a way to get access further into the subfolders?
[23:33] <sarnold> antonispgs: it depends upon the program; it might just require removing some code that prevents that.. or it might require larger changes
[23:33] <sarnold> maybe there's a configuration option for the script?
[23:34] <antonispgs> it was made via nginx
[23:55] <lunaphyte> i suppose if i don't want to be a hypocrite, i'd better move it over here :)
[23:55] <tarpman> ;)
[23:55] <lunaphyte> i see references to both frontend and priority, but only the defaults seems to be indicated in files in /var/cache/debconf/
[23:55] <lunaphyte> but when i set them with dpkg-reconfigure, they do seem to be remembered, so they've got to be specified somewhere
[23:56] <lunaphyte> plus, it seems like i don't ever remember being prompted for this sort of thing when doing an install, which is i guess sort of a side note
[23:58] <tarpman> hm. I'm not aware of any other locations where things are saved. all the non-defaults I can remember configuring are in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[23:59] <lunaphyte> oops, you are right
[23:59] <lunaphyte> there it is
[23:59] <lunaphyte> that's got a little bit of an openldap slapd-config feel to it :)


[02:09] <HFSPLUS> HELLO!
[02:09] <HFSPLUS> !ops
[03:01] <phunyguy> le sigh
[04:50] <rww> Destine, ninedragon: Per our channel /topic, please don't idle in here, as we like to keep the channel clear for when people have questions. If you're interested in what goes on, there are public logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com . Thanks :)
[04:51] <Destine> rww, OK. Thanks.
[13:08] <ikonia> dealt with
[13:10] <k1l> seems like the school again
[13:10] <ikonia> yes
[15:21] <Pici> bazhang: 12.04.2 was an older point release
[15:21] <Pici> and that kernel version is in-line with what is in the precise repositories
[15:21] <bazhang> Pici, with the 3.20 kernel?
[15:22] <Pici> rmadison linux: linux | 3.2.0-23.36   | precise          | source
[15:22] <Pici> 3.2.0, not 3.20
[15:23] <bazhang> huge misread, my bad
[15:23] <Pici> np :)
[15:23] <bazhang> the 'yo sista' distracted me
[15:24] <Pici> I actually wanted to see where they kept the old isos anyway, since it isn't immediately clear on cdimage.u.c
 sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[15:46] <bazhang> dont apt-add and add-app work the same
[15:46] <bazhang> erp ugh
[15:47] <bazhang> add-apt
[15:49] <Pici> bazhang: actually, I'm pretty sure that add-apt and apt-add both work
[15:49] <bazhang> how could the software centre have a PPA for vikas to search
[15:51] <bazhang> Version 5:84ubuntu4 is kde-plasma-desktop
[15:51] <bazhang> wouldnt a ppa be redundant


[12:27] <mup> Bug #2002109 opened: Migration of BMC power credentials fails with manual driver <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002109>
[12:27] <mup> Bug #2002111 opened: Connection to local Vault fails if proxy is configured <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002111>
[12:30] <mup> Bug #2002109 changed: Migration of BMC power credentials fails with manual driver <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002109>
[12:30] <mup> Bug #2002111 changed: Connection to local Vault fails if proxy is configured <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002111>
[12:36] <mup> Bug #2002109 opened: Migration of BMC power credentials fails with manual driver <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002109>
[12:36] <mup> Bug #2002111 opened: Connection to local Vault fails if proxy is configured <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002111>
[12:42] <mup> Bug #2002109 changed: Migration of BMC power credentials fails with manual driver <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002109>
[12:42] <mup> Bug #2002111 changed: Connection to local Vault fails if proxy is configured <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002111>
[12:48] <mup> Bug #2002109 opened: Migration of BMC power credentials fails with manual driver <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002109>
[12:48] <mup> Bug #2002111 opened: Connection to local Vault fails if proxy is configured <MAAS:New> <MAAS 3.3:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2002111>


[06:59] <gyhvyjuj> tryed to fix audio problem with updating nvidia and now cannot load anything...help please
[12:13] <of> היי


[00:02] <ScottK> alstone: Those are amavisd-new complaining clamd isn't running.  So far there is no evidence about why it stops.
[00:02] <ScottK> It doesn't appear to crash.  Something, I think, is telling it to stop.
[00:13] <alstone> hmmmmm
[00:14] <alstone> but it is running
[00:14] <alstone> but that socket file isn't being created
[00:16] <ScottK> alstone: Why do you think it's running.  The ps -AF|grep clam we did earlier didn't show a process for it.
[00:16] <ScottK> alstone: The clamav logs show it running and then being stopped.
[00:16] <ScottK> (which is when the pid and socket files go away).
[00:19] <alstone> but it is there in ps
[00:20] <alstone> oh your right is it freshclamav that is running
[00:20] <alstone> er freshclam
[00:22] <ScottK> Yes.  No clamd
[00:23] <ScottK> What you want is something like:
[00:23] <ScottK> clamav   12374     1  0 25781 84204   0 Feb13 ?        00:20:43 /usr/sbin/clamd
[00:25] <alstone> right
[02:36] <mohamed_> hi , i installed ubuntu server on old pc and adjust it well but when i reboot i get error message " kernel panic - not syncing : vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) " anyone can help me fix this ?
[02:40] <faulkes-> use recovery mode if possible or use a rescue cd to repair
[02:41] <mohamed_> yes, faulkes- , but how to repair it ?
[03:23] <faulkes-> check to see where it is supposed to boot from, check the partition table, check grub
[03:28] <faulkes-> repair the superblock if needed
[04:08] <alapidas> Has anyone had any issues installing ubuntu server (jeos) gusty in vmware?
[04:14] <faulkes-> if you are having specific issues, it is better to detail them rather than ask a general question
[04:57] <soulc> how do I tell what this connect is doing?
[04:57] <soulc> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58065/
[05:00] <soulc> be back later to check in
[05:28] <ScottK> lamont: I've about got a backport for Postfix 2.5.1 all queued up.  I read yesterday on postfix-users about some poor soul having trouble compiling it from source on Feisty and so I decided to take pity...
[06:21] <firecrotch> Quick question: by default, does Ubuntu Server start MySQL with the --log-bin option on?
[06:22] <Nafallo> I can't tell for sure, but I think it's off.
[06:22] <Nafallo> can't remember :-P
[06:23] <firecrotch> Would the logs be in /var/log/mysql?
[06:24] <Nafallo> check the conf
[06:27] <firecrotch> Nafallo:  Thanks
[06:28] <Nafallo> oh btw. it has to be compiled with it.
[06:28] <Nafallo> cause you can enable it in the conf.
[06:28] <Nafallo> just not on by default.
[06:29]  * Nafallo is a bit tired after partying all night :-)
[06:29] <firecrotch> Yeah. I saw that
[06:29] <Nafallo> just got home :-)
[06:34] <AtomicSpark> is anyone here from the actual server team?
[06:34] <Nafallo> it's kind of an open team, so sure. not Canonical employee though.
[06:35] <Nafallo> those lurk as well though.
[06:35] <Nafallo> did you have a question?
[06:35] <AtomicSpark> ah. had a suggestion for the install. :P
[06:35] <lamont> ScottK: I thought we decided not to bother with backporting 2.5
[06:35] <AtomicSpark> I just installed 6.06 and if there was an option during setup to use dhcp or static, that would of saved an hour or two lol.
[06:36] <lamont> I can certainly do the uploads if that is what we want to do
[06:36] <AtomicSpark> oh well. i learned things. :)
[06:36] <Nafallo> AtomicSpark: ehrm. I've certainly get to choose in the server install.
[06:38] <AtomicSpark> Nafallo: you did? using 6.06 cd? It never asked me :-\. Oh well. I learned how to write a interface file.
[06:38] <Nafallo> maybe you actually had a dhcpd enabled on your network then :-P
[06:39] <Nafallo> in that case you need to press cancel when it tries to reach the one.
[06:39] <AtomicSpark> Yeah still had the router pushing out ips.
[06:39] <Nafallo> that's why then :-)
[06:40] <AtomicSpark> Won't happen next time since the server is doing it now. :)
[06:40] <Nafallo> ehrm
[06:40] <Nafallo> that means it will, don't it?
[06:40] <AtomicSpark> no, not if i'm re-installing it. ha.
[06:41] <Nafallo> ah
[06:41] <AtomicSpark> i'm not a man who fancies upgrades. i always do fresh installs.
[06:41] <Nafallo> I feel sorry for you then.
[06:41]  * Nafallo has a server that started as 4.10
[06:42] <AtomicSpark> how's that running?
[06:42] <Nafallo> very very very well.
[06:42] <Nafallo> I'm ircing from it :-P
[06:42] <AtomicSpark> Wonderful. Not wonderful. Using servers as clients. Tisk tisk.
[06:42] <Nafallo> changed hardware about 6-7 times as well :-)
[06:42] <Nafallo> ehrm
[06:43] <Nafallo> screen + irssi should be one a datacenter server to be honest.
[06:43] <Nafallo> s/one/on/
[06:43] <AtomicSpark> Well ubuntu doesn't un-activate if you change the hardware too much. ;)
[06:44] <Nafallo> I know.
[06:44] <Nafallo> and Windows didn't either last time I used it.
[06:44] <Nafallo> which was around 2001 I think.
[06:45] <AtomicSpark> Things change.
[06:45] <Nafallo> yes.
[06:45] <Nafallo> that does not mean I have to care about changes in operating systems I prefer not to use.
[06:46] <AtomicSpark> Are you an Apple fan? Linux people tend to like Apple.
[06:48] <Nafallo> no
[06:50] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[06:50] <AtomicSpark> so anyways, i just set up my server tonight. all went well. haven't installed much, just LAMP and dhcp.
[06:50] <Nafallo> k
[06:51] <AtomicSpark> next comes openldap and dns. probably will break something there.
[06:51] <AtomicSpark> do i need dns server to get clients to authenticate to the openldap server or is that just a windows thing?
[06:59] <Nafallo> gnight
[06:59] <Lartza_>  how could i run webhosting in ubuntu? people get ftp acc and limited quota and mysql and something like cpanel
[07:00] <Lartza_> is webmin same thatn ispconfig?
[07:03] <AtomicSpark> webmin is for web baised server config. not a good way to run virtual hosting. thats more a cpanel plesk thing.
[07:04] <Lartza_> well what program do i need and it would be free?
[07:04] <Lartza_> i think cpanel isnt
[07:04] <AtomicSpark> cpanel and others are defiantly not free.
[07:04] <AtomicSpark> webmin is the only free one i can think of off the top of my head but it also isn't the best for virtual hosting which is what you want to do.
[07:04] <Lartza_> ispconfig?
[07:04] <AtomicSpark> never head of that one.
[07:05] <Lartza_> ispconfig.org
[07:05] <Lartza_> features seem ok
[07:05] <Lartza_> for my needs
[07:06] <Lartza_> what is proftpd conf file?
[07:06] <Lartza_> /etc/proftpd.conf is empty
[07:07] <AtomicSpark> you're using ubuntu server?
[07:08] <Lartza_> im now on ubuntu computer yes
[07:08] <Lartza_> and server is ubuntu
[07:08] <Lartza_> /etc/proftpd.conf doesn't exist
[07:08] <AtomicSpark> hmm. i don't have a proftpd.conf. must of been added by something you installed. ftp server maybe?
[07:08] <Lartza_> i dont have it
[07:08] <AtomicSpark> is a guide telling you you need it?
[07:08] <Lartza_> but i need it :)
[07:09] <Lartza_> for proftpd configuration
[07:09] <AtomicSpark> did you install proftpd?
[07:09] <Lartza_> yes
[07:09] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[07:09] <Lartza_> webmin can see it
[07:09] <AtomicSpark> the conf file?
[07:09] <Lartza_> yes
[07:10] <AtomicSpark> hmm. maybe stored somewhere else.
[07:10] <Lartza_> i think i can change the setting from webmin
[07:10] <AtomicSpark> so do you want to sell virtual hosting spots or what are you trying to do?
[07:11] <Lartza_> now im changing some settings and figuring in my head, yes, how to do what you expalined, maybe not sell and only for friensds and family
[07:12] <Lartza_> is DefaultRoot config in proftpd same than Limit users to directories in webmin
[07:13] <AtomicSpark> oh well webmin should be fine for that. :)
[07:13] <Lartza_> now to the virtualhost problem
[07:14] <Lartza_> i'm not brave enough to try ispconfig
[07:14] <Lartza_> i think its same than webmin
[07:14] <Lartza_> and someone messed his comp with it
[07:15] <AtomicSpark> it happens. you have to be careful when installing apps on linux.
[07:16] <Lartza_> well when he asked help on ubuntu channel somebody ssaid he shuold use webmin
[07:16] <Lartza_> well does webmin work if i install usermin?
[07:17] <Lartza_> i found!
[07:17] <Lartza_> VHCS - Virtual Hosting Control System
[07:18] <Lartza_> previously some free host where i got webspace used it
[07:19] <Lartza_> hmph... only debian and suse packages?!
[07:19] <Lartza_> and it said open source...
[07:19] <AtomicSpark> debian packages or .deb is what ubuntu uses.
[07:20] <Lartza_> but they are not 100% working
[07:20] <Lartza_> Platform Support
[07:20] <Lartza_> 	SuSE Linux 	7.x 8.x and 9.0
[07:20] <Lartza_> 	RedHat Linux 	7.x and 9.0
[07:20] <Lartza_> 	Debian Linux 	sid, woody and sarge
[07:20] <Lartza_>   	Fedora 	Core1, Core2
[07:21] <Lartza_> ???
[07:21] <Lartza_> im not sure if my host used this
[07:21] <AtomicSpark> yeah. most support is like that. linux is so vast that you wont find much support for it.
[07:21] <AtomicSpark> most places just have redhat, centos, and ugh...
[07:21] <AtomicSpark> damn. what's it called. the one apple is baised off of.
[07:22] <AtomicSpark> oh bsd.
[07:22] <Lartza_> they dont even have tar or windows and they said open source
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> !enter | Lartza_
[07:22] <ubotu> Lartza_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:22] <AtomicSpark> for the most part you should install software with apt-get and not by downloading it.
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> looking at those platforms, i'd say that software shouldnt be installed from packages
[07:24] <AtomicSpark> but if you're just looking at support, not which file to download, there are really only 3 main distros, suse, debian, and redhat. everything else is based off of that.
[07:25] <AtomicSpark> redhat = fedora, centos, redhat; debian = ubuntu, debian; suse = sles, opensuse; etc.
[07:25] <AtomicSpark> most places wont list everything.
[07:25] <Lartza_> i know
[07:25]  * AtomicSpark hates fedora for some reason
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> mixing and matching packages is not recomended, anyware
[07:25] <AtomicSpark> yes. like i said. best download it through apt-get or aptitude (using repos).
[07:26] <Lartza_> ill try find tar for VHCS
[07:26] <AtomicSpark> although 3rd party repos are required in other distros (if you know what you're doing), i would not recommend it for ubuntu.
[07:27] <Lartza_> found source, i think ill use that
[07:27] <Lartza_> there are not much options if you want free :)
[07:28] <Lartza_> can i really send email from my comp if i have mailserver?
[07:28] <Lartza_> and no domain, just ip
[07:29] <AtomicSpark> i've only messed with exchange. should be the same way with the open source version. you should beable to send email.
[07:29] <AtomicSpark> receiving email is a whole nother story. :P
[07:29] <Lartza_> aww
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lartza_, yes you can, but you may get bounced by some servers
[07:30]  * Kamping_Kaiser is starting to wonder what we're talking abouts
[07:30] <Lartza_> would the sender be user@myip???
[07:30] <AtomicSpark> yes.
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, unless you enabled rewrite, so it looks like its coming from somewhere else
[07:31] <AtomicSpark> Kamping_Kaiser: oh it keeps going from one subject to the next. he's trying to set up shared hosting for his friends and family.
[07:31] <Lartza_> well could i use some free domain like no-ip for my mailserver?
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, ah right.
[07:31] <Lartza_> maybe for freinds and family
[07:31] <Lartza_> maybe others
[07:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would have thought friends and family you'd go the simple option
[07:31] <Lartza_> maybe noone :)
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lartza_, you could, but same as what i said applies - if your IP changes, you'll likely start getting blacklisted
[07:32] <AtomicSpark> i didn't install openssh-client on my server... do i need it?
[07:32] <Lartza_> if i use domain?
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, only if you want to ssh out of the server
[07:33] <Lartza_> i get blaclisted... ;(
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lartza_, if you dont use a *valid* domain. eg, a domain with MX with static IP
[07:33] <Lartza_> i would use dynamic dns
[07:33] <Lartza_> ive found tut to automatically update my ip to the dynamic dns provider
[07:34]  * AtomicSpark is documenting what he did today
[07:34] <AtomicSpark> Lartza_: even if you used dynamic dns, unless you let your email server know of the dns, it will say your ip address.
[07:35] <Lartza_> i wuold try somehow to get it send from my free domain
[07:35] <Lartza_> i wont give up >:(
[07:35] <AtomicSpark> i gave up on email awhile ago. use google aps for our business. :P
[07:35] <Lartza_> got so far
[07:35]  * Kamping_Kaiser uses his ISP as a rewritere
[07:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/e$/$
[07:36] <Lartza_> ???
[07:36]  * AtomicSpark sees random characters from Kamping_Kaiser
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> then again, i'm using exim, so i dont know how easy it would be with postfix
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, which ones?
[07:37] <AtomicSpark> (01:35:58 AM) Kamping_Kaiser: s/e$/$
[07:37] <Lartza_> is it illegal to keep server on some isp's?
[07:37] <Lartza_> :O
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, i'm just correcting myself - it (says roughly ) take the e from the end of the line and remove it
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Lartza_, 'illegal' i dont know about, but some ISPs its against your contract to do so
[07:38] <AtomicSpark> haha. jeez.
[07:38] <Lartza_> nooen hasnt complained
[07:38] <AtomicSpark> Lartza_: most isps state they don't allow servers in their contracts. most people don't listen.
[07:39] <AtomicSpark> most isps are shitty and block ports though.
[07:39] <Lartza_> can they stop it? weel shut down the connection, but any other way?
[07:39] <Lartza_> ok
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> port blocking
[07:39]  * AtomicSpark is glad he doesnt have comcast
[07:40] <AtomicSpark> have any one of you set up NTP for your server/s?
[07:40] <Lartza_> i have runned web and game and mail and ssh and ftp servers and nobody hasnt said anythind O:-)
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, yep.
[07:40] <Lartza_> im sic of this for now
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i run it almost everyware
[07:40] <Lartza_> ill go play
[07:40] <Lartza_> cya
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
[07:41] <AtomicSpark> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/NTP.html
[07:41] <AtomicSpark> from this guide, should i use ntpdate with cron.daily or using ntpd?
[07:41] <AtomicSpark> *use
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> let me check the guide
[07:42] <AtomicSpark> he seems to recommend ntpd.
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, you run one or the other
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> if its an *always on* machine, ntpd
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> that said, i use ntpd on everything
[07:44] <AtomicSpark> if you had more then one server, you would install ntp-server and i guess all the other servers could point to a master?
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you have more then one, you set it up on all of them
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you set them all to 'peer'
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *peer with each other, and optionally look to the internet
[07:47] <AtomicSpark> hmm.
[07:47] <AtomicSpark> don't have /etc/ntp.conf. oh well.
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, apt-get install ntp
[07:48] <AtomicSpark> yeah i did that.
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you do that without the trailing .?
[07:50] <AtomicSpark> yup. the installer didn't create a conf file. just tried removing and reinstalling.
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, what system is this on?
[07:51] <AtomicSpark> ubuntu server 6.06
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, then its in ntp-server
[07:52] <AtomicSpark> ah. guide is wrong. scary.
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> let them know :)
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> or are you refering to the guide you linked above?
[07:53] <AtomicSpark> yes that one.
[07:54] <AtomicSpark> should be all about servers. :P
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> let #ubuntu-doc know, and r check for bug reports about it
[07:55] <AtomicSpark> ntp-server seems to be better. i am sure you remember since you use it ;)
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> kgoetz@gatekeeper:~$ dpkg -S /etc/ntp.conf
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ntp-server: /etc/ntp.conf
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:55] <AtomicSpark> yup i have a conf file now.
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[07:57]  * AtomicSpark is scared of trusting the openldap guide now
[07:58] <AtomicSpark> basically what i am doing is replacing a windows smallbusiness server.
[07:58] <AtomicSpark> didn't need all that fancy stuff. silly exchange using up all my resources.
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> openldap is complex, if the guide is perfect, your very lucky
[08:00] <AtomicSpark> so i noticed.
[08:01] <AtomicSpark> all i need is one domain, a few users and security groups. just to simplify logins on our network. i need to beable to change passwords etc.
[08:01]  * AtomicSpark sighs
[08:01] <AtomicSpark> maybe needs better employees
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[08:02] <AtomicSpark> do you know the point of "option domain-name" for dns server?
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/dns/dhcp?
[08:03] <AtomicSpark> you sir confuse me with your slashes
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry: were you asking about dns or dhcp server?
[08:05] <AtomicSpark> XD
[08:05] <AtomicSpark> yeah i meant "option domain-name" for dhcp server. :P
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> its your dns domain name
[08:05] <AtomicSpark> good. god this file is complex.
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> dhcpd.conf? it gets easier when you've configured it a few dozen times ;p
[08:06] <AtomicSpark> if i only have one dhcp server, should i enable the authoritative option? don't see why it would matter.
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes you should
[08:08] <AtomicSpark> yes i should... good point. incase another dhcp server poped up.
[08:12] <AtomicSpark> well i obviously failed.
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[08:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, whats up?
[08:16] <AtomicSpark> well i get this:
[08:16] <AtomicSpark> Wrote 1 leases to leases file.
[08:16] <AtomicSpark> No subnet declaration for start (<IP_ADDRESS>).
[08:16] <AtomicSpark> ** Ignoring requests on start.  If this is not what
[08:16] <AtomicSpark>    you want, please write a subnet declaration
[08:16] <AtomicSpark>    in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment
[08:16] <AtomicSpark>    to which interface start is attached. **
[08:16] <AtomicSpark> Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
[08:16]  * AtomicSpark knows about pastebin
[08:17] <AtomicSpark> but yeah i get that whenever i try stop/start/restarting the dhcp server.
[08:17] <AtomicSpark> but i know it works, i got an address from it for my laptop.
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, " please write a subnet declaration"
[08:18] <AtomicSpark> i have one. :-\
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, :o
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, pastebin it
[08:18] <AtomicSpark> subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> { range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>; option routers <IP_ADDRESS>; }
[08:21] <AtomicSpark> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58075/
[08:21] <AtomicSpark> that's my current config. i just uncommitted a few things and changed it to match my network.
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[08:24] <AtomicSpark> looks good to me.
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> me to.
[08:25] <AtomicSpark> anything else you normally enable/change?
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> AtomicSpark, your not running ltsp or anything like that?
[08:26] <AtomicSpark> i don't think so.
[08:26]  * AtomicSpark googled
[08:27] <AtomicSpark> no i'm not running terminal servers :P
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:29]  * Kamping_Kaiser shrug
[08:38] <AtomicSpark> when setting option domain-name-servers, is there a max of 2? or does it matter?
[08:38] <AtomicSpark> I know windows had a 2 limit or something.
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> windows had a 2 limit
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not aware of another OS as deficent
[08:40] <AtomicSpark> heh.
[08:41] <AtomicSpark> oh does resolv.conf really get overwritten on server reboot? or is that only if your server gets ip from dhcp?
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> only if its dhcp
[08:41] <AtomicSpark> good deal.
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> course :)
[08:54] <AtomicSpark> !bug #197557
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197557 in ubuntu-doc "Wrong Package for Server Guide: NTP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197557
[08:54] <AtomicSpark> :D
[08:54] <AtomicSpark> my first bug. how nice.
[08:56] <AtomicSpark> thanks for your help Kamping_Kaiser, i'm calling it quits for tonight.
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. should have told him i was going afk
[11:13] <nijaba> hello
[12:27] <faulkes-> morning all
[12:42] <rjune> ugh
[12:52] <AlexC_> hey all,
[12:53] <AlexC_> I needs some help setting up Postfix and Bind9 records. Basically the setup I would like is that email is sent (over SMTP) and recieved (by POP3(s) or IMAP(s)) via 'mail.example.com' *only*. Ie, I don't want 'mail.hosted-domain.com'
[12:54] <AlexC_> I've not really got he best idea on how to set this up, and would really appreciate a little guidance
[12:54] <AlexC_> Dovecot is also used if that is of any relevance to the configuration
[13:00] <faulkes-> start with the official server guide https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/ - see the postfix section, in regards to bind9, you want an MX record for domain.com to point to mail.domain.com
[13:00] <faulkes-> domain.com IN MX 10 mail.domain.com (as an example)
[13:01] <AlexC_> ok, thank you faulkes- I will read up on that. Do you also know of a good place I can read up on the dns records? As I really have no idea what that line does (part by part)
[13:02] <faulkes-> I believe there is a DNS section in the server guide as well
[13:02] <faulkes-> if not, there should be one at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers
[13:02] <AlexC_> great, thanks very much
[13:02] <faulkes-> np
[13:03] <faulkes-> once you have read through and set things up, if you are encountering problems, don't hesitate to ask here or on the official server platform forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=7
[13:07] <faulkes-> hello Bidou
[13:08] <Bidou> hi
[13:35] <AlexC_> ok, now I'm having issues with Postfix :P http://paste2.org/p/14848 - this is when doing 'telnet localhost 25'. Also I have no idea why it is picking up 'draco' from. The old hostname of this server used to be 'draco.tangohost.co.uk' however I have changed it all now so it's 'apoc.openzula.org' ... why is it still picking up Draco and how can I fix the issue?
[13:35] <AlexC_> the pastebin is the logs from /var/log/mail.log ... when I do 'telnet localhost 25' it connects, but then get  Connection closed by foreign host.
[13:41] <AlexC_> maybe this is a better paste: http://paste2.org/p/14850
[13:50] <faulkes-> well, first it would seem you don't have dns setup for your domain
[13:50] <faulkes-> however
[13:51] <faulkes-> when you changed the hostname, how did you do that?
[13:53] <AlexC_> faulkes-, it's a VPS, and with it I have HyperVM - there is an option within that to change hostname
[13:53] <AlexC_> Bind9 is working fine for my domain, as well
[13:54] <AlexC_> faulkes-, googling seems to show it's an issue with Dovecot
[13:54] <faulkes-> there are a few issues happening
[13:56] <faulkes-> your mail.domain.com doesn't exist
[13:59] <faulkes-> can you pastebin your postfix configuration
[13:59] <AlexC_> faulkes-, could you help me out on setting the MX record? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto does not explain it well
[13:59] <AlexC_> faulkes-, sure,
[14:00] <faulkes-> I'm not sure what the VPS you are using is doing with or how it is managing bind, so that could be difficult
[14:00] <AlexC_> faulkes-, http://paste2.org/p/14851
[14:00] <AlexC_> faulkes-, well it seems like it's completely up to me with the DNS - ie, they don't manage it at all
[14:00] <faulkes-> however the first step would be to actually create a record for mail.domain.com that has the same ip address as domain.com
[14:02] <AlexC_> I think I just found out how to do that =3
[14:02] <faulkes-> what does /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts look like (pastebin)
[14:04] <faulkes-> normally I manage bind by directly dealing with the zone files, so if the VPS has any sort of mgmt console (Plesk, cPanel, Ensim) I wouldn't be much help
[14:04] <AlexC_> faulkes-, http://paste2.org/p/14852
[14:05] <AlexC_> faulkes-, yes, it has nothing like that for managing them - so I am also directly dealing the zone files. The only thing you can really do with HyperVM regarding the config is the hostname change
[14:05] <faulkes-> what does /etc/hostname look like (it's a single line file
[14:06] <faulkes-> pastebin your zonefile then
[14:07] <AlexC_> faulkes-, /etc/hostname is apoc.openzula.org
[14:07] <AlexC_> faulkes-, alrite
[14:07] <AlexC_> http://paste2.org/p/14853
[14:10] <AlexC_> hum, in /var/log/syslog I get "dns_rdata_fromtext: pri.openzula.org:11: near 'mail.openzula.org.': not a valid number" ... seems I didn't do the MX record correctly
[14:10] <AlexC_> err I missed the 10 out
[14:14] <AlexC_> that's odd, in HyperVM it has my old hostname there O_o
[14:15] <ScottK> lamont: That's what we talked about, but apparently people are doing it on their own, so we may as well give them a proper package.
[14:15] <ScottK> lamont: I've done the uploads (I'm core now too ;-))
[14:15] <faulkes-> http://paste2.org/p/14855
[14:16] <AlexC_> faulkes-, how come you removed the MX part?
[14:16] <AlexC_> oh I see it
[14:16]  * faulkes- nods
[14:17] <AlexC_> ok, that's all good I can ping that now
[14:18] <faulkes-> ScottK: can you look at http://paste2.org/p/14851 (postfix config), in the mydestination= section, iirc he should be adding his root domain correct (to the list)
[14:19] <faulkes-> ok, your MX record now shows properly
[14:19] <ScottK> faulkes-: If mail to that domain should be delivered by Postfix, then that is absolutely correct.
[14:20] <faulkes-> AlexC: per ScottK's confirmation, add your root domain.com to the mydestination= section of your postfix configuration
[14:20] <AlexC_> ok
[14:20] <faulkes-> once you've done that, restart postfix and we'll see what we get
[14:21] <AlexC_> faulkes-, http://paste2.org/p/14856
[14:23] <AlexC_> woops, ignore 'warning: No server certs available. TLS won't be enabled' ... I accidently commented something out in the main.cf file
[14:24] <faulkes-> well, it appers to be complaining about sasl
[14:24] <AlexC_> indeed, when doing a bit of Googling it seems to be Dovecot is the issue
[14:26] <AlexC_> faulkes-, shall I just purge Dovecot and Postfix and follow this guide from the start?
[14:28] <faulkes-> that may be an easier route, given you remember what we've done above
[14:29] <AlexC_> indeed, I shall try it now. Thank you for all the help so far =)
[14:35] <AlexC_> awesome, working faulkes- =) Thank you very much!
[14:36] <AlexC_> food o'clock =)
[14:54] <faulkes-> nijaba: another survey push this morning, committed fix, no rush
[14:57] <faulkes-> and damn you ScottK, I've avoided learning postfix since it's release, now I'm starting to hate sendmail
[14:57] <faulkes-> DAMNNN YOUUUU!
[14:57]  * faulkes- whistles innocently
[15:54] <stephan> i'm using a glassfish application server, at one point the servers stops acception connection with message connection refused, in #glassfish i was told that it is a "new connection / second" problem of the os.
[16:05] <faulkes-> ummmm, ok
[16:05] <faulkes-> I'm not aware of any rate limitinig / connection limiting we are doing by default
[16:06] <faulkes-> I'm not familiar with glassfish so, however, do you have any idea how many nc's / second are actually happening?
[16:09] <faulkes-> and is there anything in the logs which it creates (if it creates logs) when this situation arises?
[16:27] <keescook> jdstrand: ah, we'll need to disable the new enforced profiles on the liveCD (bug 131976)
[16:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131976 in casper "fails to start: cannot apply additional memory protection after relocation - apparmor doesn't work on stacked file system (livecd)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131976
[16:53]  * faulkes- <mr burns finger churches>
[16:53] <faulkes-> excellent
[16:54] <Exfiltrate> I need some Help with Asterisk. Im unsure of what i want to accomplish. what i want to do to begin with is Setup a VoIP service and connect Through it With Asterisk. what service that is free is best compatible with asterisk and simple to setup
[16:54] <faulkes-> another day or two of dev work and I should be able to put my code up on LP
[16:54] <Exfiltrate> im attempting to use FWD right now but cant seem to get it to work
[16:55] <faulkes-> we don't really get into who provides "free" services for voip here
[16:55] <faulkes-> if you have a specific problem, we can probably offer help
[16:56] <faulkes-> and afaik, any service which allows you to connect via sip or mgcp is compatible with asterisk
[17:01] <lamont> ScottK: yeah - saw that
[17:02] <lamont> faulkes-: I knew we'd convert you eventually... :-)
[17:02] <lamont> faulkes-: if it helps any, Wietse got a Sendmail Developer's Award a year or two ago, for the postfix milter stuff
[17:08] <Exfiltrate> faulkes-: its not a matter of free service, i just want to be able to make sure i can get it configured correctly before i commit to any service
[17:08] <Exfiltrate> faulkies- : the bigger issure is that i cant seem to figure out why the trunk wont work
[17:30] <faulkes-> Exfiltrate: iirc voip-jet offers free test services to help setup asterisk
[17:39] <Exfiltrate> nice
[17:39] <Exfiltrate> thanks
[17:49] <AtomicSpark> hi
[17:59] <AtomicSpark> has anyone attempted to configure smb to work with slapd to let windows clients authenticate?
[18:06] <Nafallo> !weekend
[18:06] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[19:34] <MatBoy> hi all
[19:35] <MatBoy> what version of asterisk is there in ubuntu-server at the moment ? I'm not able to see it using apt-cache
[19:40] <AtomicSpark> what version of server? 6.06 or 7.10?
[19:40] <MatBoy> 7.10
[19:40] <MatBoy> Debian seems to have a outdated version :S
[19:40] <MatBoy> (as usual)
[19:41] <AtomicSpark> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=asterisk&searchon=names&suite=gutsy&section=all
[19:41] <AtomicSpark> looks like 1:1.4.10~dfsg-1?
[19:41] <AtomicSpark> whatever all that is :)
[19:41] <MatBoy> ah that is nice !
[19:41] <MatBoy> thanks
[19:41] <MatBoy> .18 is the latest version
[19:41] <MatBoy> debian is on 1.2.3
[19:42] <AtomicSpark> well remember that using the latest version in linux isn't always the best idea. :P
[19:42] <AtomicSpark> unless it fixes something you need of course.
[19:44] <MatBoy> AtomicSpark, nah on Asterisk, it solved a lot :)
[19:44] <MatBoy> *solves
[19:44]  * AtomicSpark wonders if installing smb before sldap causes problems.
[19:45] <MatBoy> AtomicSpark, it shouldn't
[19:45] <AtomicSpark> yeah i read into slapd. way too complicated. skipping it for now.
[19:46] <AtomicSpark> just need like one or to shares for windows >:(
[19:49] <MatBoy> AtomicSpark, just samba with a share in it
[19:49] <MatBoy> use webmin if you are not able to config it
[19:58] <gopp> hi
[19:58] <gopp> I setup a ldap + samba domain controller
[19:58] <gopp> but
[19:58] <AtomicSpark> openldap?
[19:59] <gopp> last step " logging into the Windows XP workstation (after selecting the domain from the drop down box I get an error
[19:59] <gopp> yea
[19:59] <gopp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58154/
[19:59] <gopp> that the error
[19:59] <gopp> and bind9
[20:00] <AtomicSpark> well i am afraid that those who know more advanced stuff like ldap server are away for the weekend :P been trying to get some help myself.
[20:00] <gopp> and I did smbldap-useradd -w client-winxp
[20:01] <gopp> that smbldap-useradd gopmix
[20:01] <gopp> with -w
[20:02] <gopp> damn
[20:04] <gopp> do you know what I did wrong AtomicSpark
[20:04] <AtomicSpark> gopp: no idea. which guide did you follow to install openldap + samba?
[20:05] <gopp> this onehttp://www.howtoforge.com/openldap-samba-domain-controller-ubuntu7.10-p3
[20:06] <AtomicSpark> I've been following http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html for mine.
[20:07] <AtomicSpark> one of the ubuntu members told me last night i would be lucky if i found a guide that was 100% on openldap. tis' a complicated thing.
[20:07] <gopp> oh
[20:07] <gopp> oh hmm
[20:08] <AtomicSpark> yeah i'm skipping it for now. just using workgroup shares on smb. ill go back later after testing it out on a test server.
[20:08] <gopp> yea I want one
[20:08] <gopp> The following error occurred when DNS was queried for the service location (SRV) resource record used to locate a domain controller for domain gopunix.local:
[20:08] <AtomicSpark> i think that guide you read skips the installing of open-ldap
[20:09] <AtomicSpark> actully doesn't even mention it. :-\
[20:09] <AtomicSpark> wait...
[20:09]  * AtomicSpark sees other pages
[20:09] <gopp> that the third page
[20:12] <AtomicSpark> hmm. seems like a good guide. i think ill do that on my test machine.
[20:15]  * AtomicSpark sees that he didnt change the FQDN for his server.
[20:16]  * AtomicSpark realizes that he doesn't need that if his dns server is cache only.
[20:18] <gopp> yea
[20:18] <gopp> tell me if it works
[20:18] <AtomicSpark> i'm actually running on 6.06. hopefully this guide isn't too different.
[20:19] <AtomicSpark> maybe ill just use simple smb sharing for now then test out this guide on a 7.10 server somewhere. then when 8.06 comes out, i can upgrade the main server.
[20:19] <AtomicSpark> yes. good plan!
[20:33] <AtomicSpark> can webmin configure samba users/shares?
[20:36] <ScottK> AtomicSpark: You're unlikely to get webmin support here.
[20:36] <AtomicSpark> Don't likes the webmin?
[20:37] <ScottK> The way it manages configuration files is fundamentally incompatible with the way Debian/Ubuntu package management works.
[20:37] <ScottK> !webmin
[20:37] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[20:37] <AtomicSpark> well thanks for the warning. :)
[20:38] <gopp> did you get it
[20:38] <gopp> ScottK I agee
[20:38] <gopp> agree
[20:38] <gopp> how do I ScottK fix an error in srv record.
[20:38] <gopp> ?? thanks
[20:39] <Munksgaar3> !ebox
[20:39] <ubotu> ebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See the plans for Hardy at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EboxSpec
[20:39] <ScottK> gopp: Sorry, I'm only marginally paying attention to what's going on in the channel.
[20:39] <gopp> I am getting this whenI try to connect to my samba and open ldap
[20:39] <gopp> The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.gopunix
[20:39] <gopp> Common causes of this error include the following:
[20:39] <gopp> - The DNS SRV record is not registered in DNS.
[20:41] <ScottK> I'd look and see if I can see the srv record using dig.  If you can't you have a DNS problem.  If you can, you have an LDAP problem.
[20:42] <gopp> k
[20:42] <gopp> ;gopunix.local.                 IN      A
[20:42] <gopp> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
[20:58] <AtomicSpark> should i use the server guide for the version of the os i am on, or is using the latest one better?
[21:04] <gopp> hey
[21:04] <gopp> I am getting this
[21:04] <gopp> rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused
[21:04] <gopp>                                                                          [fail
[21:05] <keescook> soren: common ext3 /build speeds up builds by about the same amount as you were seeing with tar stuff
[21:08] <AtomicSpark> okay. i really don't understand the difference between ntp-server and ntp-simple both packages install eachother. can someone shed some light on this?
[21:18] <gopp> I am getting * Starting domain name service... bind                                  [fail]
[21:20] <AtomicSpark> gopp: do you have any other dns server running? my dhcp service failed on ubuntu when i forgot to shut off the router's. :P
[21:21] <gopp> oh
[21:21] <gopp> nothing else
[21:21] <gopp> how do I compeltely remove bind and start over
[21:24] <AtomicSpark> sudo apt-get remove bind9
[21:25] <AtomicSpark> then remove /etc/bind9 folder by cd /etc then sudo -rm -rf bind9
[21:25] <AtomicSpark> careful with that rm -rf!
[21:25] <AtomicSpark> no - before rm
[21:26] <gopp> oh
[21:28] <AtomicSpark> i wonder why they didn't release pdf versions of the guides for 7.10. that's kindof lame.
[21:29] <gopp> yea
[21:29] <AtomicSpark> hopefully for 8.04 since it's LTS.
[21:30] <gopp> then apt-get install bind
[21:30] <gopp> then apt-get install bind9
[21:30] <AtomicSpark> yes
[21:30] <AtomicSpark> *sudo
[21:30] <AtomicSpark> hmm they didnt' have it for 7.04 either.
[21:31] <gopp> still get it
[21:31] <gopp> rndc: connect failed: <IP_ADDRESS>#953: connection refused
[21:34] <AtomicSpark> did you configure bind at all?
[21:34] <gopp> yea
[21:34] <gopp> like it said in that
[21:34] <gopp> let me reboot ubuntu
[21:38] <gopp> nothing
[21:41] <nijaba> gopp: better method to completely remove a package apt-get
[21:41] <gopp> nijaba how
[21:41] <nijaba> apt-get purge package
[21:41] <gopp> I tryed how atomic said
[21:42] <gopp> dpkg - warning: while removing bind9, directory `/etc/bind' not empty so not removed.
[21:42] <gopp> that makes sense
[21:43] <nijaba> what is left are files that were not installed by the package
[21:44] <gopp> then I reinstall
[21:44] <gopp> sudo apt-get instal bind9
[21:47] <gopp> worked
[21:49] <gopp> let see if I can then   login
[21:50] <gopp> AtomicSpark did you get it to work
[21:50] <AtomicSpark> so i want to create a user but not let them log in. basically it's just a shared unix user for samba. what option would i use for that?
[21:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> beh. i cant be bothered reading up this morning, sorry blokes ;)
[21:52] <AtomicSpark> well hi mr.
[21:53] <gopp> all I got know is
[21:53] <gopp> The error was: "DNS name does not exist."
[21:53] <gopp> (error code 0x0000232B RCODE_NAME_ERROR)
[21:53] <gopp> The query was for the SRV record for _ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.gopunix.local
[21:53] <AtomicSpark> nvm. since i don't have that crappy selinux on ubuntu, ill just use the users home folder. :)
[21:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> selinux is ok (even if i dont use it myself)
[21:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> gopp, does gopunix.local exist?
[21:56] <AtomicSpark> selinux kept yelling at me. :(
[21:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :\
[21:58] <gopp> yea I createdit
[21:58] <gopp> as master
[21:59] <gopp> gopunix.local.                 IN      A
[21:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and `host gopunix.local` returns the result you want?
[22:01] <gopp> yea
[22:01] <gopp> in linux
[22:01] <gopp> but not in windows
[22:01] <gopp> I did nslookup  Can't find server name for address <IP_ADDRESS>: Non-existent domain
[22:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might nto have reverse dns
[22:03] <gopp> oh
[22:04] <gopp> rev.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa
[22:04] <gopp> is that right
[22:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> could be, depends how you set it up ;)
[22:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm going to work. back in ~1.5 hours
[22:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> as kgoetz
[22:06] <AtomicSpark> ha. i can connect to the samba share via windows but not ubuntu > connect to server > windows share
[22:06] <gopp> what is the proper way
[22:06] <AtomicSpark> it keeps showing mshome not the proper workgroup
[22:06] <AtomicSpark> :P
[22:06] <gopp> Kamping_Kaiser
[22:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> gopp, proper way?
[22:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> gopp, reverse dns can have one entry covering multiple IPs, unlike forward dns
[22:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> gopp, so rev.1.etc covering the whole /24 would be fine
[22:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> however, afk 1.5 like i said. GTG
[22:10] <AtomicSpark> it works if you specify the domain (workgroup) while adding the share. oh well.
[22:18] <gopp> hmm
[22:18] <gopp> AtomicSpark do you know my error
[22:19] <AtomicSpark> gopp: no sorry. haven't tried it yet.


[00:40] <akgraner> rickspencer3, ping - just wanted you to know - I went through the surveys from SELF yesterday - many of them mentioned your Quickly session as their highlight
[00:40] <rickspencer3> akgraner, sweet
[00:41] <akgraner> and I had people asking me day Saturday and Sunday about Dev and App Dev week
[00:41] <akgraner> all day I meant
[00:42] <akgraner> rickspencer3, Thank you again!
[00:44] <mneptok> rickspencer3: see? pays to go shirtless and oiled when giving presentations.
[00:44]  * rickspencer3 shudders
[00:45]  * akgraner rolls my eyes at mneptok :-P
[00:46] <mneptok> you rolled a 6. missed saving throw.
[00:47] <akgraner> mneptok, I couldn't get that database to work you told me about - will you have some time tomorrow to help me trouble shoot it
[00:48] <mneptok> akgraner: sure thang
[01:43] <RoAkSoAx> away gone
[02:42] <m3ga> i'm booting lucid on a tablet device. in windows the tablet has a working wifi device, but in ubuntu, neither lspci nor lsusb list anything that looks like a wifi device.
[02:42] <m3ga> any clues as to what to look for?
[02:43] <StevenK> m3ga: It could be a SD device?
[02:44] <m3ga> StevenK: how would i figure that out?
[02:44] <StevenK> I was still trying to work that one out
[02:44] <m3ga> :-)
[02:48] <ScottK> IIRC SD devices show up under USB.
[02:48] <StevenK> I thought that depended on the USB HCD?
[02:49] <ScottK> Could be.
[02:49] <m3ga> StevenK: there is a wifi enable button on the side. i've messed with it but it still doesn't show up. maybe the button needs driver code to enable the chip before it can be listed with lspci.
[02:49] <ScottK> m3ga: Did you boot with the button enabled?
[02:49] <m3ga> since all the other hardware on this is intel, i suspect the wifi will also be intel
[02:50] <ScottK> I've seen kernel issues with wifi switches were they didn't work if they weren't on at boot.
[02:50] <TheMuso> m3ga: In windows, did you check in device manager how it connects? Devices can be viewed by how they are connected, available from the view menu.
[02:50] <m3ga> its not a toggle button, just a momentary contact. i'll try booting while holding it down.
[02:50] <m3ga> TheMuso: i know close to nothing about windows. completely baffles me :-)
[02:51] <TheMuso> m3ga: Ok do you know how to get to device manager? If not, let me know what version of Windows you are using and I'm happy to talk you through how to open it.
[02:52] <m3ga> holding the button while booting didn't help.
[02:53] <m3ga> rebooting to windows (windows 7 btw TheMuso)
[02:53] <TheMuso> m3ga: Ok, getting to device manager will be easy then.
[02:53] <m3ga> it boots windows rrrreeeaaalllllyyyyyy slow
[02:54] <TheMuso> heh
[02:56] <m3ga> ok booted
[02:56] <TheMuso> Ok, to get into device manager, simply open the start menu, and type device manager (if the device has a keyboard). If not, we will have to take a longer route
[02:56] <TheMuso> If typign device manager is possible, you should see it appear as an option. You should be able to click on it to open it.
[02:57] <m3ga> easy. have usb keyboard connected
[02:57] <TheMuso> ah ok that helps.
[02:58] <TheMuso> Once in device manager, open the view menu, and choose "view devices by connectin", I think thats what its called.
[02:58] <TheMuso> Then its a matter of expanding the tree view to find the wifi device
[02:58] <m3ga> wow, wireless is usb. "3DSP Wireless 802.11 B+G  Adaptor"
[02:58] <TheMuso> and going back through the tree view to see how the device connects to the system.
[02:58] <TheMuso> wow
[02:59] <m3ga> ok, i can google that
[03:00] <m3ga> some old stuff from 8:10 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1234213
[03:00] <TheMuso> I have no idea at this point sorry, I just know that WIndows device manager can help in working out how a device connects.
[03:01] <m3ga> thank Luke!
[03:01] <TheMuso> np
[03:01] <JanC> device manager can also show you the usb ids
[03:01] <m3ga> ah yes, i should grab those
[03:02] <Sarvatt> VID_05E1&PID_0100
[03:02] <Sarvatt> according to google
[03:07] <m3ga> Sarvatt: yes, confirmed
[03:09] <Sarvatt> its a syntek device, found a manual http://www.stk.com.tw/driver/Wireless/STA-UI-A0037S_USB_User's_Manual.pdf
[03:09] <Sarvatt> http://www.stk.com.tw/product-01.asp?Product_Type=58
[03:09] <Sarvatt> lucid drivers there too, downloading to see what they are :)
[03:13] <m3ga> Sarvatt: lspci output here http://pastebin.com/Uw9tRzsv
[03:14] <m3ga> would like to get wifi and X working, but need lunch. back in an hour.
[03:33] <nixternal> jcastro: forgot to say thanks in MI before closing out. stuck using a GUI IRC client right now :/
[03:33] <ajmitch> nixternal: you've had some bad luck there
[03:33] <nixternal> just a little
[03:34] <nixternal> though, i have to admit..that server was a frankenstein box with components from the 90s
[03:34] <ajmitch> held together with duct tape & prayers?
[03:34] <nixternal> need to find a system that uses very little power to do what it did. all it was used for was IMAP/Mutt, Irssi, and my SSH gateway to my home
[03:35] <nixternal> actually, held together with dust
[03:35] <ajmitch> oh one of them - the type you should never try & clean
[03:35] <nixternal> but my big puters bit the dust as well...now I am just a netbook luser :)  you can't do much with a netbook, except surf the intertubes
[03:35] <micahg> nixternal: I might have a box that would work for that soon
[03:36] <nixternal> micahg: yeah, a lil POS box is all I need. though I am thinking of a little crap box from tiger direct
[03:36] <nixternal> $80
[03:37] <nixternal> gotta love the community though. i forgot i had one of those donation buttons on my site..someone donated $50, but I refunded it. don't want to be that guy
[03:38] <nixternal> damn, tiger direct doesn't have that lil $80 crap box anymore :/
[03:38] <micahg> nixternal: well, I might be able to save you that if you can wait till the weekend
[07:10] <zzcranjo> Hey all, I am looking to get into programming, specifically helping with the ubuntu devel process. What is the primary language that ubuntu is coded in?   As a beginner, maybe start with Python.  See http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[07:16] <zzcranjo> thanks :D I am no stranger to python as I use blender quite frequently
[07:16] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[07:25] <zzcranjo> So in theory, python can be used to program anything in ubuntu/linux? Is it optimised for certain types of programs?
[07:27] <m3ga> zzcranjo: python is really only useful for user space programming. all the drivers and a large proportion of low level user space daemons are written in C.
[07:27] <m3ga> all the kernel is also in C
[07:28] <zzcranjo> ok. Thats ok as at first i would like to be able to see what i program :D
[07:28] <m3ga> with a very small amount of assembler
[07:28] <zzcranjo> ty
[07:28] <hyperair> m3ga: there are some python daemons too.
[07:29] <zzcranjo> Also, how easy is it to actually contribute source code to the ubuntu project? is it vetted by mods?
[07:29] <m3ga> there are also some in ocaml and haskell, but most are written in C, followed by C++.
[07:29] <m3ga> zzcranjo: best to submit to the upstream project rather than ubuntu.
[07:30] <m3ga> ubuntu and debian prefer not to modify upstream sources too much. they figure that upstream knows their project better.
[07:30] <zzcranjo> upstream?
[07:30] <zzcranjo> (sorry, im new :D)
[07:32] <m3ga> eg postfix is the mail daemon in ubuntu. the upstream project is http://www.postfix.org/
[07:32] <zzcranjo> what is upstream? what does it mean?
[07:33] <m3ga> similarly, for the samba server http://www.samba.org/
[07:33] <zzcranjo> oh so upstream is just the different programs that come with ubuntu
[07:33] <m3ga> upstream means the people who actually do the coding on that project
[07:33] <zzcranjo> oh ok
[07:33] <m3ga> yes.
[07:34] <m3ga> ubuntu/canonical do some development work, but more than 90% of the distro has a separate upstream that is used by all the distros and freebsd and other unices
[07:34] <zzcranjo> so once I get decent knowledge of python, I would be an upstream developer of whatever program I chose to make. Is there a filtering process to get into the sources like there is for itunes apps?
[07:34] <m3ga> nowhere near as bad as apple.
[07:35] <zzcranjo> thats good to know :D
[07:35] <m3ga> most stuff that is in ubuntu is there because it is in debian. ubuntu packages are mostly just slightly tweaked debian packages.
[07:36] <m3ga> as for debian, getting a package in is pretty easy as long as the license is ok.
[07:36] <zzcranjo> ok
[07:36] <m3ga> once its in debian, it will automatically show up in ubuntu some time later
[07:36] <zzcranjo> So I license something how i want? I can choose whether it is proprietry, open source etc?
[07:36] <zzcranjo> btw thanks for your help m3ga :D
[07:37] <m3ga> open source license and it will almost certainly be accepted. some proprietary stuff is also accepted into debian's non-free section.
[07:37] <m3ga> sorry, gotta go. back in an hour :-)
[07:38] <zzcranjo> ty cya
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <zzcranjo> good afternoon ;)
[08:04] <pitti> Good morning
[08:04] <pitti> mr_pouit: we need it for an OEM project, but yes, my intent was to package it for maverick and backport it from there
[08:05] <pitti> kees: oh, will there be another security upload of eglibc?
[08:06] <hyperair> m3ga, zzcranjo: *free* licenses will certainly be accepted. especially if it fulfils Debian's Free Software Guideline
[08:06] <hyperair> zzcranjo: you can't go wrong with GPL ;-)
[08:06] <zzcranjo> gpl is free, but closed source?
[08:07] <hyperair> GPL is free and open source
[08:07] <pitti> mr_pouit: oh, seems it's all done in the PPA already
[08:07] <hyperair> zzcranjo: check out the DFSG, for the definition of "free"
[08:08] <zzcranjo> dfsg?
[08:08] <hyperair> Debian Free Software Guideline
[08:08] <zzcranjo> oh ty
[08:08] <hyperair> !dfsg
[08:08] <zzcranjo> !dfsg
[08:08] <hyperair> hmm damnit
[08:08] <hyperair> there isn't anything
[08:09] <zzcranjo> lol
[08:09] <hyperair> well the first few things on google should be correct
[08:09] <hyperair> wiki even
[08:09] <hyperair> http://www.debian.org/social_contract
[08:09] <zzcranjo> I actually have a vague recollection of something like that
[08:09] <zzcranjo> ty will check it out
[08:10] <ericm-afk> pitti, so far no response from ubuntu-sponsors for bug 427805, the bug is affecting many people actually, anything else I can help?
[08:10] <hyperair> zzcranjo: there are some commonly used licenses in /usr/share/common-licenses/ which you might like to check out
[08:11] <zzcranjo> ok ty
[08:11] <zzcranjo> very sorry if this is not supposed to be in this room, but does anyone know how I can change how long notifications(music, empathy etc) stay on screen? Is it in ccsm?
[08:12] <pitti> ericm: so there are three patches on that bug, and the first one changes autoconf all over the pplace
[08:13] <pitti> ericm: what do I actually need to apply?
[08:13] <ericm> the first one changes autoconf so that the legacy package can build
[08:13] <pitti> ericm: and it breaks debian/control
[08:13] <pitti> - libusb-dev
[08:13] <pitti> + libusb-1.0-0-dev
[08:13] <ericm> the 2nd one actually fixes the problem
[08:13] <pitti> this is not libusb-1.0
[08:13] <pitti> oh, the first one is the upower port
[08:14] <pitti> nevermind
[08:14] <ericm> pitti, Grrrr... that's not from me, so only the 2nd one please
[08:14] <pitti> ericm: what's the third one? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49434737/libusb.patch
[08:14] <ericm> the 3rd one actually came from fedora mailinglist and seems to me it fixed some potential bug, but not this one
[08:15] <ericm> so at this moment, only the 2nd one is significant
[08:15] <pitti> alright, thanks
[08:15] <ericm> the 3rd one tested to be no side effect so far at my side, should be a plus - but may not be suitable for a SRU
[08:17] <pitti> ericm: ok, I'll sponsor the second one for now, and followed up upstream
[08:19] <ericm> pitti, thanks man - a lot duplicated bugs and many mac users are affected
[08:20] <ericm> strange enough - it seems so far to affect mac users only (who cares, :-)
[08:21] <zyga> good morning
[08:22] <hrw> morning
[08:22] <ericm> pitti, another general question in my mind - as we don't actually maintain libusb-0.1, what's the process to deal with such fixes in the future? (to me it's easy way like subscribe ubuntu-sponsor, yet I'd like to know a bit more detail)
[08:23] <pitti> that's pretty much it
[08:23] <pitti> we just need to patch it on our own, but more importantly, port stuff over to -1.0
[08:24] <pitti> ericm: uploaded to maverick; preparing lucid SRU now
[08:25] <ericm> pitti, thanks, I'll try my best do it, that needs to be involved in upower upstream, and have that special usb device or something
[08:25] <pitti> ericm: upower is already ported
[08:26] <ericm> pitti, got you - so the best practice is to have a upower branch and get it tested and merged?
[08:27] <pitti> I'll package it shortly
[08:28] <zzcranjo> anyone know when gnome3/gnome-shell is going to be implemented in a release as the default gnome wm?
[08:28] <ericm> pitti, thanks
[08:32] <ericm> pitti, confusing - https://launchpad.net/upower - Upower is a next generation boot splash system for Linux
[08:33] <hyperair> huh?
[08:33] <hyperair> upower = bootsplash?
[08:33] <hyperair> wasn't upower the devkit-power rename..
[08:34] <pitti> it's most certainly not a splash :)
[08:35] <pitti> the description would match plymouth
[08:36] <hyperair> indeed
[08:36] <hyperair> the website linked doesn't exist.
[08:36] <hyperair> nanofreesoft.org, i mean
[08:37] <pitti> oh, seems it was indeed a different project
[08:37] <hyperair> Usermode graPhical pOWER.
[08:37]  * hyperair facepalms
[08:37] <hyperair> what kind of name is that?
[08:37] <pitti> bah
[08:38] <hyperair> there's no code either
[08:38] <hyperair> it's just a project page with nothing on it
[08:39] <ericm> hyperair, pitti, and interesting, a lot upowerd related bugs subscribe this upower as the source package, doh!
[08:39] <hyperair> which is obviously wrong.
[08:40] <hyperair> is there a way to unmark the link between this upower and upower in ubuntu?
[08:40] <pitti> or rename this project..
[08:40] <pitti> can someone poke #launchpad about this?
[08:41] <ericm> bzr clone lp:upower
[08:41] <ericm> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:upower": upower has no default branch.
[08:41] <hyperair> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upower/+bug/133181/comments/1
[08:41] <ericm> but the version number of this upower seems consistent with the one in my lucid system
[08:41] <hyperair> take a look
[08:41] <hyperair> upower's a dead project that has been merged into usplash and splashy
[08:43] <dholbach> ericm: lp:ubuntu/upower
[08:43] <ericm> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/0.9.4-2, see packages built by this source
[08:43] <ericm> dholbach, ah sorry
[08:44] <dholbach> ericm: the difference is: "lp:upower" means "default trunk of an upstream project registered in launchpad"
[08:44] <ericm> dholbach, I see
[08:44] <dholbach> ericm: "lp:ubuntu/upower" means "source package branch of development release"
[08:44] <ericm> dholbach, now it's fetching
[08:44] <dholbach> ericm: in case you knew this already, ignore me :)
[08:45] <ericm> dholbach, I pretended to know this already - since I was embarrassed :-)
[08:45] <dholbach> haha, almost got away with it ;-)
[08:45]  * dholbach hugs ericm
[08:45]  * ericm has red face
[08:47] <dholbach> it IS confusing
[08:47] <ericm> so it really looks strange about this upower project - maybe just the title is incorrect and actually we reused the original dead project
[08:47] <dholbach> I'm still waiting for the "bzr fix-bug 1234567" plugin :)
[08:47] <dholbach> sorry ubottu
[08:48] <ericm> hehe
[08:48] <dholbach> the people in #launchpad would know how to reset it or change it if it'd make sense to change things now
[08:48] <ericm> so far it looks like only the title is wrong, the cloned code is all right
[08:49]  * ericm has to be offline for a while
[08:49] <dholbach> alright
[08:51] <ajmitch> dholbach: is that like the bzr do-magic-stuff plugin?
[08:52] <dholbach> ajmitch: ok… "bzr let-me-fix <bugnr>"
[08:53] <ajmitch> so lookup the appropriate project/package, branch it, and present you with a nice working tree ready to fix stuff?
[08:55] <dholbach> yeah, and maybe set the push location already
[08:55] <dholbach> oh and "bzr pbuild" :)
[08:56] <ajmitch> and maybe even fill in some of debian/changelog? we could dream, but I think you'd run into problems with multiple bug tasks for a bug #
[08:56] <dholbach> yeah, that's right
[08:57] <ajmitch> apart from that, it sounds possible
[08:57] <dholbach> it could be reportbug-esque, check the list of open ubuntu tasks only that are not in progress or fix committed yet and present you with a list *shrug* :)
[08:57] <dholbach> I could imagine that "bzr pbuild" would have more users :)
[08:58] <ajmitch> so, got time to hack on it? :)
[08:58] <ajmitch> by pbuild, do you mean using pbuilder from a bzr branch?
[08:58] <dholbach> I should at least file a wishlist bug about bzr pbuild
[08:58] <dholbach> yes
[08:58] <ajmitch> I think that's possible with some magic at the moment
[08:59] <dholbach> basically   bzr bd -- -S -us -uc && sudo pbuilder build ../<some dsc file that matches>    :)
[09:00] <dholbach> (and for that I wouldn't care if the output is a native package or not)
[09:00] <ajmitch> you can set the default builder command in the config, I think
[09:01]  * ajmitch just has to find where he'd set that up
[09:02] <dholbach> I think it'd be useful for people new to the process who want to fix their favourite bug and just bzr branch; <edit>; bzr pbuild; bzr commit; bzr push; bzr lp-open
[09:02] <ajmitch> isn't groundcontrol meant to help with the same problems, just from a gui perspective?
[09:03] <ajmitch> the main problem I've had this week with trying to fix stuff in bzr is the speed of getting branches from LP
[09:03] <dholbach> yes, from a gui perspective, although I'm not sure how well it copes with source package branches and related stuff
[09:04] <ajmitch> having bzr branch take > 3 hours was a bit painful, but apparantly the bzr launchpad plugin could support some mirroring, with some work on the plugin & the LP side
[09:05] <dholbach> holy cow
[09:05] <dholbach> how far's the lightweight checkout stuff?
[09:05] <ajmitch> it was virtualbox-ose, it wasn't lightweight :)
[09:07] <dholbach> I meant the bzr lightweight checkout stuff :)
[09:07] <ajmitch> yeah I know, I didn't try it
[09:08]  * ajmitch should check up on whether it's safe to do the virtualbox-ose merge
[09:09] <ajmitch> though I don't know if it's updated to work as a guest with 2.6.35 & the version of X in maverick
[09:23]  * cjwatson genuinely has no idea why pygi seems upset (in scrollback), and will take it to e-mail
[10:36] <htorque> hello, can it be considered a bug that booting with an attached usb card reader (empty) moves the only internal hard disk from /dev/sda to /dev/sde? didn't happen with lucid.
[10:41] <soren> htorque: Stuff like that is exactly why we boot based on UUID's.
[10:41] <soren> htorque: Device names are non-deterministic. Don't rely on them.
[10:41] <soren> htorque: In short, no, this is not likely to be considered a bug.
[10:43] <htorque> soren: k, thanks
[10:43] <soren> htorque: Sure.
[11:05] <Nailor_> Hi. I'm running in problems with pbuilder. It's unable to install debhelper to my hardy chroot when building packages. I'm using Lucid
[11:09] <pip> Hello, I can't share the swap partition of ubuntu with another linux distribution , I guess its due to the encryption reason of that swap
[11:21] <hrw> btw - how much buildd power amd64 arch has?
[11:27] <amitk> hrw: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders
[11:29] <hrw> thx
[13:12] <stvo> ping pitti
[13:13] <lool> cjwatson: Pushed xdeb with a couple trivial tweaks from the testing I did this week-end, will you be in a position to NEW it, or should I make sure someone else does?
[13:16] <cjwatson> lool: somebody else ought to do it since I've been heavily involved
[13:16] <lool> Right, that's what I thought
[13:16] <lool> james_w: Would that be something you would have the time to do?
[13:16] <james_w> yes
[13:16] <james_w> it's there now?
[13:18] <james_w> (yes)
[13:23] <james_w> lool: done. The description could use some love.
[13:23] <lool> james_w: Thank you
[13:27] <lool> james_w: http://paste.ubuntu.com/450072/
[13:27] <lool> james_w: thanks!
[13:28] <james_w> lool: better, thanks
[13:39] <pitti> stvo: pong
[14:12] <smoser> Riddell, around ?
[14:14] <Riddell> smoser: afternoon
[14:14] <smoser> :)
[14:14] <smoser> so, ofr ebsmount, you think i probably need to get a new upstream tarball with more consitent file headers
[14:14] <smoser> is that right?
[14:15] <Riddell> smoser: yes, with files under a free licence and a full copy of the licence text included in the tar
[14:15] <smoser> the debian/copyright file is in the original upstream tarball (and commited to their git repo) so it does seem reasonable.
[14:16] <Riddell> smoser: I wouldn't be happy accepting it since it disagree with what the actual source files say
[14:16] <smoser> yeah, thats fine.
[14:16] <smoser> i agree, it should at least be consistent.
[14:16] <buxy> seb128: did you find the time to file the dh7 enhancement request we discussed yesterday?
[14:20] <seb128> buxy, not yet sorry but it's still on my todolist, I've only a bunch of items before it so I think I will get to it today
[14:20] <buxy> great
[14:21] <chrisccoulson> kees - are you there?
[15:03] <kees> chrisccoulson: hello!
[15:04] <chrisccoulson> hi kees. i'm just working on the firefox 3.6.4 update for karmic, and going through my packaging branch reviewing all of the changes that have flowed from lucid. one of these changes is the addition of hardening-wrapper as a build-depend
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> is this something we want to keep in karmic?
[15:07] <kees> chrisccoulson: yes, please.
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> kees - ok, thanks
[15:08] <kees> chrisccoulson: np.  let me know if it causes any problems (it shouldn't, though).
[15:18] <psusi> ahh, kees, just the man to ask since you made this commit... I'm confused by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/lvm2/maverick/revision/46
[15:18] <psusi> it says merge from debian... so I would expect to see to parent commits... r45, and the debian branch that was pulled from... but that doesn't seem to be what is there...
[15:18] <psusi> s/to/two
[15:19] <kees> psusi: the bzr tree for lvm2 was unusable for a bzr-based merge.
[15:19] <kees> psusi: I didn't do anything with the bzr tree as a result, because it was a total mess.
[15:20] <psusi> so... what is this commit telling me?
[15:20] <kees> psusi: lvm2 got upgraded in the past to an intermediate upstream (total fork from Debian), and then upstream merged devmapper into lvm2, so Debian followed that, so really it's 3 bzr trees into 1.
[15:20] <psusi> it looks like it shows two parents, but I would expect one of them to be revision 45 and neither seems to be
[15:21] <kees> I have no idea -- I didn't actually perform that commit.  I think it was automatic.
[15:21] <psusi> weird
[15:22] <kees> it was the nastiest merge I have ever done.  :)
[15:22] <psusi> well, wherever you merged from, doesn't ONE of the parents have to be the previous revision?
[15:22] <kees> anyway, based on the "Revision ID" you can see it was done as part of the bzr auto-sync<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:23] <cjwatson> those merge icons are just the merges from other branches
[15:23] <cjwatson> r45 is implicit
[15:23] <kees> psusi: nope, that's what I mean.  Ubuntu's version was totally different from Debian's, and Debian's was totally different from the Ubuntu fork point.
[15:23] <psusi> ohh... ok.... so this is a merge that pulls from two other branches onto r45...
[15:23] <cjwatson> probably one via the other
[15:25] <psusi> ok... so if I want to see the history of the debian branch this merge pulled from, how do I do that?  I would expect that to happen if I click on the 3.1.8 squeeze link, but it doesn't seem to be what I get...
[15:27] <cjwatson> psusi: the "Changes" tab at the top
[15:28] <psusi> hrm... ok... I guess I actually am looking at the squeeze history... just through the looking glass of this branch... rather than looking at the branch that was pulled from...
[15:28] <cjwatson> once a branch is merged, its full history is available in the branch it was merged into, with dotted revision numbers
[15:28] <cjwatson> the web interface may not be the easiest way to get that level of detail though
[15:30] <psusi> right... I see that now... was just confusing... I wanted to be looking at the other branch
[15:31] <psusi> the other night I had tried updating to the latest upstream sources and most of the patches didn't apply... and most of them have no comment header describing what they were created for
[15:33] <psusi> so now I'm trying to find where they were added in bzr and read the commit message...
[15:34] <psusi> and am having a hell of a time
[15:49] <ion> tseliot: It might be nice if the nvidia and fglrx packages had a dependency on xorg-video-abi-$n just like xserver-xorg-video-* have. If i were to get around to making a patch, would it be accepted?
[15:50] <tseliot> ion: a dependency or something like Provides: xserver-xorg-video-6
[15:50] <tseliot> ?
[15:52] <tseliot> as nvidia does that already
[15:52] <ion> A dependency. The drivers would block the upgrade of xorg which would introduce an ABI incompatibility until versions of the driver packages supporting the new xorg appear.
[15:53] <pitti> it sohuld be a provides, not a depends
[15:53] <pitti> the xorg server already conflicts to -video-6
[15:53] <pitti> which DTRT
[15:53] <ion> Ah, indeed.
[15:53] <pitti> ion: in our setup, drivers Provides: the abi number and xorg depends on it
[15:54] <pitti> kind of unintuitive and backwards, but I guess they had their reasons
[15:54] <ion> So, only fglrx needs a change to provide xserver-xorg-video-$n.
[15:54] <pitti> seems like it
[15:55] <tseliot> yes, that would be easy to do
[16:03] <hallyn> mathiaz: is there anything else i am supposed to do to re-request sponsoring for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/maverick/qemu-kvm/update-to-12.4/  ?  (I dont' see any "feedback addressed" option by your previous feedback that I can hit)
[16:06] <mathiaz> hallyn: if you go on the merge proposal page: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/maverick/qemu-kvm/update-to-12.4/+merge/27293
[16:06] <mathiaz> hallyn: on the left side you'll see a resubmit proposal link
[16:07] <mathiaz> hallyn: I've also added kirkland as a reviewer
[16:07] <hallyn> mathiaz: thought i'd hit that already...  but jsut hit it and it seemed to work - thanks
[16:08] <hallyn> (thought i'd hit it 3 times!)
[16:08] <hallyn> (glad i asked then)
[16:08] <mdz> doko, lool, cjwatson: if there's more to talk about regarding the toolchain, we can do it here
[16:12] <doko> mdz: could we do this later this week? running out of time today, and I'd like to get some performance data (benefits) on ix86. For now the test packages are available in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain-r/+archive/ppa
[16:12] <mdz> doko: sure
[16:45] <geser> pitti: just reading the irclogs for the TB meeting: isn't !sru the factoid for the wiki page for SRUs? so reusing it for the panic button might trigger several false positives till everyone adapts to its new meaning
[16:46] <maco> it changed?
[16:46] <maco> so now how do we direct people to the wiki page?
[16:46] <geser> maco: not yet
[16:46] <maco> so at some point its going to sneak up on me? :(
[16:47] <lool> james_w: Mind NEWing xdeb in binary NEW as well?  (sorry!)
[16:47] <geser> maco: the is a plan to eventually change it (see the todays TB meeting logs)
[16:48]  * maco hopes its at least being replaced. was a useful factoid
[16:49] <pitti> geser: oh, it was just a strawman; we could call it !regression or !stable-alert or whatever
[16:49] <hallyn> kirkland: regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and bug #588293, should i actually butcher the original bug description to add that info, or is it ok to just add it in follow-on comments?
[16:49]  * hallyn luvs bots
[16:50] <geser> pitti: might be better unless you want to get pinged when someone wants to point somebody else to the SRU wiki page :)
[16:50] <geser> !sru
[16:50] <geser> pitti: ^^ see
[16:51] <maco> pitti: !omgsru
[16:51] <komputes> Is anyone interested in repackaging blt with the patch on this Bug #359857 (it is currently unstable, last stable version was in hardy). Once patched and tested this would be proposed as an SRU in Lucid.
[17:04] <kirkland> hallyn: better to add it at the bottom of the bug description, you can enclose your section in [17:04] <kirkland> hallyn: descriptions are editable, comments are not
[17:04] <kirkland> hallyn: and it's not a big deal in small bugs like this, but some bugs have hundreds of comments, and the SRU notes can get lost eaisly
[17:05] <hallyn> kirkland: will do thanks
[17:05] <hallyn> (alas i built 64-bit packages but only have a 32-bit lucid install to test on, waiting for re-build :)
[17:05] <hallyn> oh there we go
[17:33] <hallyn> kirkland: is ubuntu-sponsors the right list to use for requesting merge review for the qemu-devel fix branch?
[17:33] <kirkland> hallyn: yes, for stuff in universe
[17:33] <kirkland> hallyn: sorry
[17:33] <kirkland> hallyn: yes, for stuff in MAIN
[17:34] <kirkland> hallyn: ubuntu-universe-sponsors for stuff in UNIVERSE
[17:34] <hallyn> there's a separate 'ubuntu-sponsors-main'
[17:34] <kirkland> oh, hm...
[17:34]  * kirkland looks
[17:34] <kirkland> hallyn: well, i'm not sure any more ... jcastro ?
[17:35] <jcastro> kirkland: not sure
[17:35] <jcastro> I thought sponsorship got merged?
[17:36] <nixternal> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sponsors
[17:36] <nixternal> the teams have been merged into one now
[17:36] <nixternal> hallyn: ^^
[17:37] <hallyn> nixternal: thanks
[17:37] <hallyn> kirkland: thanks
[17:38] <kirkland> nixternal: ah, cool, i forgot about that, i guess, thanks.
[17:39] <nixternal> hehe, no problem
[18:04] <zyga> does anyone remember a bzr command that would update the debian changelog in native packages in one shot?
[18:04] <pitti> zyga: it's usually better to do it the other way round: edit debian/changelog and then use debcommit
[18:04] <pitti> which will pull out the message, parse out the LP/debian bugs, and so on
[18:05] <zyga> oh, debcommit
[18:05] <zyga> that's what I was looking for, thanks
[18:05] <pitti> zyga: and then dch -r/debcommit -r for an upload
[18:05] <pitti> debcommit == ♥
[18:06] <pitti> -r will tag, generate an appropriate message, and commit this as a "release"
[18:06]  * mathiaz agrees with pitti
[18:08]  * zyga goes to read man and use it
[18:08] <zyga> thanks guys
[18:33] <apw> pitti, who would the right person be to talk to about a firewire stack change ?
[18:34] <directhex> Keybuk is officially the best person ever (via twitter)
[18:34] <pitti> apw: not sure actually; we don't integrate it very much in the UI, except for things like kino talking to cameras, and of course firewire based block devices (which won't change API-wise, I guess)
[18:34] <apw> pitti, so if the kernel switches from old to new stack by default you don't see userspace exploding ?
[18:35] <pitti> apw: some bits certainly will :)
[18:35] <pitti> in particular, kino and friends used to talk to /dev/raw1394, i. e. might be sensitive to abi changes there
[18:35] <pitti> but *shrug*
[18:35] <apw> pitti, if we wanted to do that, is there anything other than telling ubuntu-devel@ (which we already have) that we should do ?
[18:36] <pitti> awolfson: u-devel@ sounds fine to me
[18:45] <ScottK-droid> pitti: would you please rescore kdepimlibs kdegraphics (only affects armel)
[18:46] <pitti> ScottK-droid: nudged
[18:46] <ScottK-droid> pitti: Thanks.
[18:49] <mr_pouit> Riddell: "we sync automatically from debian"… of course, I know that. The question is: when? I've some packages that are in unstable since around may 25 and are still not imported. And they won't probably be imported before thursday, and I'll have to do lots of paperwork after feature freeze… This is the reason why I filed the bug report, to be sure it would be synced!
[18:51] <ScottK-droid> Thursday isn't feature freeze.
[18:52] <Riddell> mr_pouit: it's a fair question, new syncs from debian are run manually and it's a fairly tedious process involving filtering out any packages we don't want
[18:52] <Riddell> mr_pouit: do you have any examples of packages which should be synced but which aren't?
[18:53] <mr_pouit> Riddell: e.g. parole, in unstable/testing
[18:54] <mr_pouit> *g*, it has been synced this afternoon
[18:54] <mr_pouit> okay, bad example :)
[18:54] <Riddell> mr_pouit: see when I'm on archive duty, things happen :)
[18:54] <mr_pouit> okay, okay ^_^
[19:01] <james_w> lool: does the package follow the python policy?
[20:35] <superm1> apw, could you also CC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>about the firewire stack change?  hopefully at least someone on there can help to test myth* userspace
[21:32] <apw> superm1, thanks for the heads up
[21:51] <lool> james_w: Python policy for xdeb, yes, it build-deps on the relevant stuff and ends up with the proper runtime deps; it has a ./usr/share/python-support/xdeb.private telling it about the private dirs too
[22:11] <kirkland> slangasek: around?
[22:16] <slangasek> kirkland: hi
[22:16] <kirkland> slangasek: feel free to tell me to go away (or elsewhere)
[22:17] <kirkland> slangasek: but I'm looking for someone with some knowledge of the Desktop Live seed, preferably who's online now :-)
[22:17] <slangasek> ok
[22:19] <kirkland> slangasek: so I'm trying to put together a UEC LiveISO seed
[22:20] <kirkland> slangasek: so I started with the "live" seed, copied it to live-uec
[22:20] <kirkland> slangasek: dropped all the langpack stuff, and ubiquity
[22:20] <kirkland> slangasek: and now i'm trying to blacklist openoffice, games, video, graphics, sound, etc.
[22:21] <kirkland> slangasek: i guess i was looking for any tips/pointers
[22:21] <kirkland> slangasek: i'm sure i'm not doing it the most efficient way possible
[22:21] <slangasek> you can't blacklist packages in seeds
[22:22] <slangasek> seeds are whitelists by nature; the blacklist directive only lets you throw an error when something creeps in that you didn't want
[22:24] <kirkland> slangasek: hmm, i was trying something like:
[22:24] <kirkland> == Blacklist ==
[22:24] <kirkland> libavcodec cannot be shipped on CDs (cf. Ubuntu technical board resolution 2007-01-02).
[22:24] <kirkland>  * !libavcodec*
[22:25] <slangasek> yes; all that does is cause an error *if* something pulls in libavcodec
[22:25] <kirkland> slangasek: ah, bumemr
[22:25] <kirkland> slangasek: okay ... hrm
[22:26] <kirkland> slangasek: so would it be better for me to create my deal as a meta package in ubuntu-meta ?
[22:26] <slangasek> ehm, the contents of those metapackages are entirely autogenerated from the seeds :)
[22:27] <kirkland> slangasek: heh, okay ........
[22:28] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, let's simplify the question ....
[22:29] <kirkland> slangasek: let's say that I wanted to create a seed, call it live-uec, that is basically the same as the live desktop cd, except it removes openoffice-* and adds eucalyptus-*
[22:29] <kirkland> slangasek: how would you recommend i go about doing that
[22:29] <slangasek> for my part, I question whether it's really so important to keep these applications out of the live-uec seed
[22:29] <slangasek> but, the way to do it is this:
[22:29] <slangasek> - identify the bits that are common between your new seed and the existing one
[22:30] <slangasek> - move those packages into a new seed
[22:30] <slangasek> - restructure the 'live' seed to depend on the new seed
[22:30] <slangasek> - create your new live-uec seed, also depending on this new common seed
[22:31] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, thanks
[22:41] <james_w> lool: well, I was meaning "should it install the modules in a public location?"
[22:44] <kirkland> slangasek: okay, so i have what i think might be a reasonable seed ... is there a tool i can run (germinate or something) to see what all it will bring in?
[22:44] <kirkland> slangasek: and ideally build an ISO locally?
[22:44] <slangasek> germinate is packaged, yes
[22:44] <slangasek> building an ISO> awkward to achieve for live CDs
[22:55] <ScottK-droid> Would an buildd  admin please rescore kdebindings.
[23:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #594839> didn't you fix this already?