[05:42] <delt> hello
[05:42] <delt> how do i get rid of /dev/sdc sdd sde sdf sdg and so on after inserting and removing USB drives?
[14:50] <holstein> delt: its not going to save any space..
[14:51] <holstein> delt: AFAIK, those are designated.. not piling up, as you are implying
[19:39] <delt> anyone has any experience with bluetooth dongles such as this one? says "Linux and mac not supported" --- http://www.ebay.ca/itm/200978396537
[19:46] <holstein> delt: yes
[19:47] <holstein> the issue is the same as with any hardware.. they dont support linux, so, they can change the chipsets in those devices at anytime, and all they have to do is provide a windows driver, or whatever they have promised
[19:47] <holstein> *so*, i could have one that works, you could buy the *exact* same model, and it wouldnt work, due to a potential chipset change
[19:51] <delt> ah, i see... :/
[19:51] <holstein> delt: you are sad?
[19:51] <holstein> delt: you were not promised linux support.. and you havent bought the thing yet..
[19:52] <delt> just not too enthousiastic about how these things work, as how you described it.
[19:52] <holstein> delt: thats how *everything* works
[19:53] <delt> well, most things... sadly :/
[19:54] <holstein> delt: no.. thats how *all* hardware works
[19:54] <delt> anyway coffee time... at least i can run linux and still make a cup of coffee
[19:54] <holstein> delt: if you are not promised linux support, then you get what you get
[19:54] <holstein> in my experience, most of those bt dongles "just work" for me
[19:56] <delt> well, someone on #xubuntu recommended 15:43 < Azelphur> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bluetooth-dongle-Usb-2-0-Plug-And-Play-FREE-P-P-/251218302868? posts to worldwide, I bought this one and it worked ootb
[19:57] <delt> adding 15:44 < Azelphur> so assuming they haven't swapped it out for a different adapter since I bought in Feb 2013, it should be fine
[19:57] <holstein> delt: sure.. and that doesnt matter, since the manufacturer can change the chipset, and doenst have to alert anyone.. they just provide a driver as promised for windoes
[19:57] <delt> oh wait, you're on that channel also
[21:11] <Azelphur> indeed, but it certainly looks like the same device I've got
[21:11] <holstein> i mean, at that price, i would just try it
[21:12] <holstein> i always make sure its either documented supporting linux, or, i can return it, or sell it for what i have in it, or more, or, its worth throwing the cash away on a test
[21:12] <Azelphur> yep, I've bought a couple of those and they both worked (although one of them broke after a while, pay peanuts get monkeys I guess)
[21:13] <holstein> *documented that the vendor supports linux.. and even then, i make sure i can return it or whatever.. its one thing for something to state it supports linux.. *i* have to be able to get it working in linux


[00:42] <Scott8122> Hello. Just joining the Mint Community. Hoping for a registration code for the tutorial archive please. Thanks.
[02:24] <tecnotrasto> Hi all ¡¡
[06:10] <perso> HELLO ALL GOOD DAY ?
[10:32] <gerge> Hi, I am on beta and there is a quite annoying bug with window buttons applet.
[10:32] <gerge> I can's set it to a different theme like arc, it simply doesn't show the buttons then
[14:47] <BTSlover05> hi
[14:47] <diogenes_> hi
[14:47] <BTSlover05> hi
[14:47] <BTSlover05> ,;,;
[14:57] <seeking10> i can't get my application app or places nor system whats wrong
[15:29] <mate|4195> install rstudio
[15:29] <mate|4195> procedure
[16:12] <kaide> hello?
[16:12] <diogenes_> ?
[16:12] <kaide> where are you from?
[16:13] <diogenes_> from maya
[16:13] <kaide> wow
[16:29] <pavlos> hi ... 18.04 beta, caja network does not discover other hosts in local network.
[17:27] <BurritoXtreme> hi
[17:28] <BurritoXtreme> is anyone using 18.04 here?
[17:34] <BurritoXtreme> just wondering if anyone else had their volume icon disappear from the notification area with the latest round of updates or if it was just me.
[18:57] <cws> how are you
[18:57] <diogenes_> great, and you?
[18:58] <cws> doing good.
[18:58] <cws> checking this chat out
[18:58] <diogenes_> good
[19:05] <Pinkerton> alright then
[19:05] <Pinkerton> anyone in here know how to assign a panel applet a fixed-width (or if such a thing is possible)
[19:05] <Pinkerton> +?
[19:14] <pavlos> would that be in preferences for each applet?
[19:21] <Pinkerton> Well, in this case, it just takes me to the Date preferences in general
[19:21] <Pinkerton> owait
[19:21] <Pinkerton> no, it's the applet preferences
[19:21] <Pinkerton> Nothing there to do with a fixed width though
[19:21] <Pinkerton> The applet that's bothering me is the date one
[19:22] <Pinkerton> Its width depends on the contents, rather than having an absolute width that's the maximum size of its contents
[19:22] <Pinkerton> so if I have it set to display seconds it causes all the icons I have to its left to move around
[19:22] <Pinkerton> if any digit changes to or from a '1'
[19:23] <Pinkerton> because of course it's the only digit in my display font with a different width
[19:24] <Pinkerton> I asked in #mate too but it seems marginally more dead than here :p
[20:24] <erickBTC> hola
[20:32] <limpiezasexpres> hola
[21:06] <soundmaster80> hello all, I was wondering if it is possible to open new caja managers in dual pane mode?
[21:11] <soundmaster80> Hellllllooooooooo! LOL :-)
[21:31] <pavlos> Pinkerton: if I go to the clock prefs and select 12- or 24-hour format, all icons to the left of the clock move accordingly. 1804beta
[21:46] <soundmaster80> What time does the chat start to pick up. lol, it's a ghost town in here
[21:50] <pavlos> soundmaster80: in caja, you can add a new tab (is that dual pane) or you can add a new window. Does this help?
[21:51] <soundmaster80> not really but thank you. I use Mint currently. Nemo has an option to start in dual pane (IE: midnight commanderish) i was hoping caja might have this
[21:54] <pavlos> pressing F3 will pop another pane but not sure if you can save that
[21:56] <pavlos> https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja/issues/277
[21:58] <soundmaster80> yeah, that I saw. and i will fully admit to being lazy but it's just annoying that that's not just a checkbox somewhere to turn on/off
[22:02] <pavlos> seems midnight commander can be installed, sudo apt install mc


[05:08] <valorie> latest report on my little new notebook: it healed itself somehow
[06:11] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: that sounds like a good idea
[06:22] <sitter> Riddell, ScottK: telepathy-accounts-signon now in binary new
[06:30] <valorie> oooo
[06:30] <valorie> might be able to totally fixed the new lil cutie laptop
[06:30] <valorie> fix, I mean
[06:53] <haridas> Hi, Kubuntu failing to login, sddm failing and login not happeining
[06:54] <haridas> im on KDE 5.3
[06:54] <haridas> WHy the Xserver is failing while login... what could be the reasons ?
[07:37] <doko> Riddell, just a heads-up the silo16 ppa currently is broken. will have it fixed in about an hour
[09:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:27] <clivejo> I was using a text file to keep notes in for packaging, but the file has disappeared from the file system.  Anyone knoe what happened and if I can recover it?  I was using Kate to view/edit it
[10:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> Hey
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: Kate will alsway keep a copy
[10:34] <sick_rimmit> it will be either prefixed or suffiex with a ~
[10:34] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: where?
[10:35] <clivejo> Ive checked for hidden files in the same directory
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> In the location you were working with kate
[10:35] <clivejo> it has gone!
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> also find is your freind
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> you couldtry
[10:35] <clivejo> tried that too
[10:35] <sick_rimmit> find ~/ -cmin +60 -print
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> will find everything with updated contents in last 60 minutes
[10:36] <clivejo> it happened a day of so ago
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> then you be able to see its location
[10:36] <clivejo> The file was in ~/Documents
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> find ~/ -ctime -2 -print
[10:36] <sick_rimmit> = less than 2 days ago
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> find ~/Documents/ -ctime -2 -print
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> man find
[10:37] <sick_rimmit> find is jolly good shell foo
[10:37] <clivejo> its not there
[10:37] <clivejo> I know, but the file is gone!
[10:43] <clivejo> even the history in Kate is gone :/
[10:51] <clivejo> even tried to recover the Documents folder with extundelete, but nothing was recovered :/
[11:16] <doko> Riddell, gcc-5 in silo16 is again fixed, armhf still building, however you only use amd64/i386 for your ppa
[11:16] <Riddell> lovely
[11:37] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: ping
[11:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[11:41] <ahoneybun> pong ovidiu-florin
[11:42] <ovidiu-florin> hmm....
[11:42] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit Rick_Timmis PING
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> Hello
[11:46] <ovidiu-florin> We need to talk
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> Ah I need to make Konversation give me a ping
[11:46] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Sounds great
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun wanna start?
[11:47] <ahoneybun> where are you thinking?
[11:47] <ovidiu-florin> here, about the post
[11:47] <ahoneybun> plus your in a meeting in RL
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> The post to Kubuntu Community ?
[11:48] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit:yea
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> OK, cool
[11:48] <sick_rimmit> go ahead
[11:49] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: while I do really enjoy the idea, we have not talked about actually doing it
[11:49] <ahoneybun> so posting on your own is a bit rash
[11:49] <sick_rimmit> How so ?
[11:49] <sick_rimmit> Did you read kubuntu-devel mailing list
[11:50] <ahoneybun> I've seen a few but our team is a bit small to try it
[11:50] <sick_rimmit> I have only asked for useful links to stuff, that we may or may not be interested
[11:50] <sick_rimmit> in
[11:51] <ahoneybun> but we should have come into agreement to send it, not sending it randomly
[11:51] <sick_rimmit> At this stage, we just want an aggregation of material in a place that;s easy to review
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> Ah OK, look I can see that you are bothered by this action, and that is something I do NOT want
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> If I have done that, then I am sorry
[11:52] <ahoneybun> I know you did not mean anything by it
[11:52] <sick_rimmit> Are you in the picture with that the over all idea is ?
[11:52] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: we got the feeling that you are looking for voluntees to twrite the Kubuntu documentation, which is mostly what ahoneybun is doing
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> an aggregation of community articles is something else
[11:53] <ovidiu-florin> but that's why we have Kubuntu Wire for
[11:54] <ahoneybun> I'm not against help, but I'm for cooperation
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> My objective was simply to give the G+ Community a task of crowd sourcing a bunch already exisitng materials
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> We don;t really have the time for that,
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> and ahoneybun certainly does not
[11:54] <sick_rimmit> I am excited at the work done by ahoneybun already
[11:55] <ahoneybun> video wise they would have to be original a bit as Plasma 5 is still new
[11:55] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: I was not alone
[11:55] <sick_rimmit> I think if this appeal turned into results, it would produce video material and some great feature articles
[11:56] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I feel that we should use trello more
[11:56] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: I accept that point, I agree..
[11:56] <sick_rimmit> hindsight, I should of posted this idea into Trello so we could consider it together
[11:57] <sick_rimmit> I will ensure that happens next time
[11:57] <ahoneybun> tbh the concept of videos and such are on trello and have been since 14.10..
[11:57] <ahoneybun> just could have used a ping here and there sick_rimmit :)
[11:57] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Yes, indeed and I had in mind to actaully make some
[11:57] <ahoneybun> to talk about it in depth
[11:58] <sick_rimmit> since that time however, KDE put a more formal video production project together
[11:58] <ahoneybun> I was not aware of that
[11:59] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://trello.com/c/7wkDmSFw/18-add-custom-kubuntu-theme-to-new-kubuntu-doc
[11:59] <sick_rimmit> So this  action that I posted was to get the crowd to find those videos
[12:00] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: the call should have been for Kubuntu Promotional maybe, what do you think ovidiu-florin?
[12:00] <sick_rimmit> Whether or not you choose to use them in Kubuntu docs is an arbitrary option
[12:00] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: No that is not what I had in mind
[12:01] <sick_rimmit> I was hoping that in the responses we would find good quality application specific tutorials
[12:01] <sick_rimmit> These links you could then aggregate into you docs, perhaps a links or some other such thing
[12:02] <sick_rimmit> TBH, the greater value of the post is n the reaching out to an engage community, and provide a reason and purpose to get involved
[12:03] <santa_> hi
[12:04] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: ok
[12:04] <ahoneybun> I have to go
[12:04] <ahoneybun> bbl
[12:04] <sick_rimmit> I do not want you to feel undermined, and I am sorry is you do feel that way, because it truly is not my intention
[12:04] <santa_> Riddell: so now that I'm ready to send you patches for gcc 5 build failures, you mentioned you didn't like the mail attachments very much
[12:04] <sick_rimmit> I am an action kind of person, and my action is in support of your work, not inspite of it
[12:05] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: they're a bit faffy, probably my fault for using mutt on a remote server, I'd prefer them just to be put on a web server somewhere
[12:05] <sick_rimmit> Have a good day, and I will ensure to brief you via Trello in future
[12:05] <Riddell> santa_: rather ^^
[12:05] <santa_> Riddell: ok, so what about something like this: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/ ?
[12:06] <santa_> if that format is ok I can make something to generate that automatically
[12:06] <ahoneybun> I know sick_rimmit and thank you
[12:06] <Riddell> santa_: lovely
[12:06] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: be ready for OTA-5 on mondey
[12:07] <santa_> Riddell: ok, I will do it, another thing: if you look at the sample patch, the approach is the following: mark as optional the disappearing symbols after building with gcc 5
[12:07] <santa_> source: https://wiki.debian.org/GCC5
[12:08] <santa_> see "Roadmap for libstdc++"
[12:08] <santa_> Start fixing build failures without changing the default compiler. This should be possible for everything except for symbols files. For symbols files, make two builds one with the GCC 5 found in testing/unstable, and one with the GCC 5 found in experimental (>= 5.1.1-20). Alternatively do both builds with the compiler found in experimental, one with -D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0, and one with D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=1, and prepare the
[12:08] <santa_> symbols file (maybe by adding a second file, or marking the symbols as optional).
[12:09] <Riddell> hmm ok
[12:09] <santa_> so it seems to me the best approach to follow with kde frameworks for kubuntu is marking everything as optional, no matter what
[12:09] <Riddell> yep, I guess so
[12:09] <santa_> doko: ↑ could you please confirm that we are doing it right?
[12:12] <santa_> sample patch: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12.0/threadweaver/0001-Mark-missing-symbols-for-GCC-5-as-optional.patch
[12:13] <santa_> (asking because we will have to do this kind of change to a lot of libraries, so would be nice to be sure that we are following the correct approach)
[12:21] <doko> santa_, Riddell: sounds okish, I mean, you can drop these symbols later again. consider a pcakage renaming when you find cxx11 symbols in a library (e.g. I didn't find any for kde5libs
[12:23] <doko> santa_, but always use the silo16 as dependency, and the GCC 5 as the default GCC
[12:26] <santa_> doko: yeah, I have to fix that in my own "ppa"; but I had a small problem: last time I checked aptitude using silo 16 segfaults; and I'm using the aptitude build dep resolver
[12:27] <santa_> s/segfaults/doesn't load because of a symbol lookup error/
[12:27] <santa_> let me recheck the status
[12:29] <doko> santa_, right I messed up gcc-5. now fixed in 5.2.1-11ubuntu1
[12:30] <doko> ohh, and maybe we don't have aptitude yet rebuilt
[12:30] <doko> no
[12:32] <santa_> last time I tried it failed to build: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/aptitude_0.6.11-1ubuntu4~santa1_amd64.build
[12:35] <doko> please use apt for now
[12:37] <santa_> doko: ok, thank you very much for the hints
[17:14] <santa_> Riddell: good evening, it seems my stuff to help you with gcc 5 is working very well; do you want to apply some patches I have or do you prefer to wait until monday? (I will have everything needed for frameworks the monday)
[17:14] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_kf5.html
[17:14] <santa_> ↑ status
[17:14] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/
[17:15] <santa_> ↑ patches
[17:32] <hjd> Anyone might know something about dolphin-plugins-bazaar and bug 1264659. It seems to overlap quite a lot with another package.
[17:32] <hjd> ?
[19:00] <clivejo> grrr
[19:00] <clivejo> calligra is missing files :(
[19:11] <clivejo> Riddell: dh_install: cp --reflink=auto -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/liblibkispsd.so.14 debian/krita//usr/lib/ returned exit code 1
[19:11] <clivejo> what have I done wrong this time :(
[19:48] <ahoneybun> that was scray
[19:48] <ahoneybun> I just had a X curser on reboot
[19:49] <ahoneybun> had to killall Xorg
[19:56] <genii> Ouch
[19:57] <ahoneybun> killall Xorg restarted everything
[20:05] <yofel_> clivejo: you most likely nothing, it's common that upstream changes files, or that libraries change version. What happens now is that debian/krita.install has a file listed that doesn't exist anymore
[20:06] <clivejo> yofel: there are a lot!
[20:06] <yofel> clivejo: so now remove that file from krita.install, and try dh_install again
[20:06] <clivejo> Ive tried that and removed like 10 files so far
[20:06] <clivejo> still missing files
[20:06] <clivejo> I think the build went wrong or something
[20:08] <yofel> hm, could be. check the cmake output if any optional dependencies are missing. Or check the cmake install output, maybe files just moved to a different location
[20:08] <yofel> but it might also be that the files did indeed vanish
[20:09] <clivejo> shouldnt it be documented?
[20:11] <yofel> no, the only thing you could check is the calligra git log, whether something major was done in krita
[20:12] <yofel> that's what I like to do at least when I want to find out why stuff is gone
[20:12] <ScottK> For build-deps you could diff the CMakeLists.txt for the old and new releases.
[20:43] <clivejo> is there no nepomuk-core-dev package in wily?
[20:44] <Riddell> clivejo: no nepomuk was removed a while ago
[20:44] <Riddell> some apps still ask for it's but it's optional and we opted out (as upstream requests)
[20:45] <clivejo> I just pulled the debian package for calligra
[20:45] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/
[20:46] <clivejo> so just remove it from control file?
[20:53] <yofel> it should've been long gone from ours
[20:54] <yofel> also, we have ubuntu-specific changes in the calligra package, so you can't just base the new one on the debian one. You'll have to first merge in our changes if you do that
[20:54] <yofel> (well, those changes that still make sense)
[21:00] <clivejo> I give up!
[21:00]  * clivejo throws stuff across the room
[21:08]  * valorie catches it and rolls it back