[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting) Done
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Orca - It's great to see it on the live CD! I've done some testing and have helped several blind users with testing with advice and a HOWTO
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Dicussions with Orca upstream on better ways of integrating it with the Ubuntu desktop (so that it doesn't get in people's way)
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * onBoard - Met Chris for va status meeting yesterday. We are hoping to get this through universe and into main during the next few days. Advice appreciated.
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Finally got rolling with some desktop bug triage today
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Other: Preparing the release of the OpenCD v4
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting) To do
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Make final decision on Orca placement within the Gnome menu structure. If a few annoyances are not addressed (from Orca) we may leave out the menu item (this is not as bad as it sounds because blind users often prefer to launch things from the command prompt anyway)
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * Get onBoard into main and on the CD
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * theOpenCD release foo
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting)  * More bug triage
[05:19] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting) seb128: can you give me qa-team powers?
[05:20] (dholbach/#ubuntu-meeting) heno: i can do
[05:20] (seb128/#ubuntu-meeting) hum, I've to look at that
[05:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu-meeting) I think pitti comes back on Monday, which will make main promotions easier
[05:20] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting) dholbach: thanks
[05:20] (seb128/#ubuntu-meeting) dholbach job usually
[05:20] (seb128/#ubuntu-meeting) ok, dholbach on it, all fine then
[05:20] (fabbione/#ubuntu-meeting) (FYI: the logs should be back again. thanks feenode for your amazing amount of netsplit)
[05:20] (heno/#ubuntu-meeting) ok, just so I can set bug priorities
[05:20] (fabbione/#ubuntu-meeting) have fun guys
[05:20] <Kamion> fabbione: thanks. (you're on holiday so I don't need an update from you, right?)
[05:21] <ogra> fabbione, go back to your little one
[05:21] <fabbione> Kamion: yes i will be in vac also next week
[05:21] <fabbione> ogra: yup...
[05:21] <Kamion> heno: oh, I was to send a mail to seb128 about sudo-admin-atspi, wasn't I?
[05:21] <ogra> :)
[05:21] <fabbione> thanks guys
[05:21] <fabbione> take care
[05:21] <ogra> you too
[05:21] <heno> Kamion: I sent one
[05:21] <Kamion> heno: I'll do that straight after the meeting if you haven't
[05:21] <Kamion> ok, good
[05:21] <doko> fabbione: please could you check a newer OOo build for sparc today/tomorrow?
[05:21] <Kamion> seb128: does that stuff look applyable?
[05:22] <seb128> Kamion: I've not looked at it yet, but will do after meeting or tomorrow
[05:22] <Kamion> heno: is there anything left of livecd-access other than my gfxboot stufff?
[05:22] <Kamion> -f
[05:22] <Kamion> seb128: thanks
[05:22] <seb128> np
[05:22] <heno> Kamion: in a sense the Orca and onBoard inclusion ties into that
[05:23] <heno> as does the At-spi/sudo stuff
[05:23] <Kamion> right, I mean anything not mentioned yet
[05:23] <heno> and the gksudo grabbing focus thing
[05:23] <heno> ^
[05:23] <Kamion> there is ubiquity-casper work there, right?
[05:23] <heno> Yes, just changing a few commands like, gnopernicus -> orca
[05:24] <heno> and gok -> onboard
[05:24] <Kamion> please https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/50319
[05:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50319 in casper "Accessibility options are not preserved on installs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[05:24] <Kamion> er, s/please/plus/
[05:24] <heno> It would also be nice to get the defaults copied to the HD install
[05:24] <heno> right
[05:24] <Kamion> yes, can you make sure there's a casper bug filed about that?
[05:24] <Kamion> and subscribe me to it
[05:24] <heno> yep, cool
[05:25] <Kamion> ok, thanks heno
[05:25] <Kamion> Riddell: ?
[05:25] <Riddell> done:
[05:25] <Riddell>     distro sprint
[05:25] <Riddell>     processing e-mail backlog gathered during feature period
[05:25] <Riddell>     knot 2 testing
[05:25] <Riddell>     artwork packaging
[05:25] <Riddell> blocked:
[05:25] <Riddell>     ruby
[05:25] <Riddell>     kubuntu-accessibility: needs changes in casper by mithrandir
[05:25] <Riddell> todo:
[05:25] <Riddell>     updates to kubuntu-power-management
[05:25] <Riddell>     gather up list of priority bugs for edgy (and fix them)
[05:25] <Riddell>     KDE 4 packages
[05:26] <Kamion> Riddell: "langpacks-desktopfiles-kde - some packages need to be rebuilt" - has that been done?
[05:26] <Mithrandir> Riddell: if you want to speed up the kubuntu-accessibility stuff, give me a casper branch to merge from.
[05:27] <Riddell> Kamion: no, missed knot freeze, I can do it afterwards
[05:27] <Kamion> Riddell: ok
[05:27] <Riddell> Mithrandir: ok, I can do that
[05:27] <Mithrandir> Riddell: thanks, sorry for not acting on it earlier.
[05:27] <Kamion> Riddell: mdz's notes say "needs integration from colin (gfxboot)" for kubuntu-accessibility, but I think we covered that at the sprint
[05:28] <Riddell> Kamion: yes, that is fine
[05:28] <Kamion> all right
[05:28] <Kamion> kwwii: ?
[05:28] <kwwii> In addition to fixing parts of the work already included (kdm, power-manager icons,, etc.) I whipped up an amarok theme (thingking about using a totally different one though).
[05:28] <kwwii> Started to play with the different versions of the gradients. people like purple! (some like the yellow/orange more than others).
[05:28] <kwwii> In the end all of this is linked together, as the same colors are used in many different pieces of the artwork. Working on moving the entire theme to a blue-purple gradient and see peoples reactions.
[05:29] <kwwii> Andreas Lloyd will be at my home tomorrow, anthropologizing me :-)
[05:29] <Kamion> have fun ;-)
[05:29] <ogra> heh
[05:29] <kwwii> Will start making the guidance hardware database interface pics this week
[05:29] <Kamion> kwwii: "icons - maybe start during sprint, finish and upload before feature freeze" - is that still on track?
[05:29] <ogra> send greetings :)
[05:29] <kwwii> Kamion: we dropped that idea from edgy, moved more to edgy+1 (the new icons will come in kde4)
[05:29] <kwwii> The only really oustanding issue is the usplash...depending on what is possible we will make one soon
[05:30] <kwwii> guess I should update that spec
[05:30] <Riddell> kwwiis icons are included in my updates to kubuntu-power-management too
[05:30] <Kamion> kwwii: oh, ok; yes, please mark the spec as deferred and send mail to me/mdz about it
[05:30] <fschoep> kwwii: I contacted Matthew Garrett on usplash, but I don't have a definitive answer to what artwork to provide yet
[05:30] <kwwii> Kamion: cool, I talked to matt about this at the sprint...will do :-)
[05:31] <sladen> fschoep: the capabilities may not be set in stone yet
[05:31] <kwwii> fschoep: I think that we will end up with the old system again
[05:31] <Kamion> mjg59: ^--
[05:31] <kwwii> fschoep: perhaps removing the text or such, but I am not holding my breath for the new features
[05:31] <Seveas> fschoep, sladen: I have it working on 1024x768 with 256 colors for i386/amd64
[05:31] <fschoep> OK, but my screen does only 800x600 (example)
[05:31] <Seveas> I need to borrow someones mac to implement ppc bits
[05:32] <Keybuk> mjg59 seemed confident about usplash at the weekend
[05:32] <Keybuk> though he was mostly distracted by compiz :)
[05:32] <kwwii> well, if there is improvements, it only makes things easier for the artists
[05:32] <Seveas> Keybuk, he still is (talked to him yesterday) -- the code just needs to be written
[05:32] <Keybuk> SMOP
[05:32] <Kamion> minor tweaks are ok after feature freeze, just not major reworks :-)
[05:33] <Seveas> Keybuk, (if interested, I've published my changes in a branch on lp)
[05:33] <ogra> right, its *edgy* :)
[05:33] <Kamion> ok, let's move detailed usplash discussion to -devel; thanks kwwii
[05:33] <Kamion> doko: ?
[05:33] <Keybuk> Kamion: I think we have to accept some uplash rework anyway, simply because of how other specs effect it (b-m-i)
[05:33] <Keybuk> uh, b-m-l ... b-m-i is a local airline
[05:33] <doko> - this week
[05:33] <doko>   - openoffice.org - OOo 2.0.4 rc1 builds, gstreamer support, i386 currently
[05:33] <doko>     doesn't work on amd64, ia32-libs updates,
[05:33] <doko>     start adding compat packages for dapper-proposed.
[05:33] <doko>   - openoffice.org-hyphenation: license status for the various languages is
[05:33] <doko>     clarified; will need to split the patterns in a free and a non-free part.
[05:33] <doko>   - edgy-toolchain: final classpath-0.92 backport uploaded to edgy
[05:33] <doko>   - upgraded amd64 server to edgy (but still OOo shows build failures, although
[05:34] <doko>     it builds in the data center :-/).
[05:34] <doko> - this week / next week:
[05:34] <doko>   - python2.5
[05:34] <doko>   - OOo
[05:34] <doko>   - knot-2 testing / upgrade amd64 workstation; need to get local OOo builds
[05:34] <doko>     going.
[05:34] <Kamion> mdz says:
[05:34] <Kamion> matthias
[05:34] <Kamion>         notes lost due to resume failure
[05:34] <Kamion> (well, damn)
[05:34] <ogra> Keybuk, and b-m-l is ?
[05:34] <Keybuk> ogra: boot-message-logging
[05:34] <ogra> ah
[05:34] <ogra> thanks
[05:34] <doko> Kamion: ?
[05:34] <Kamion> doko: (the notes I have from mdz's conversations with everyone at the sprint - apparently he lost yours)
[05:35] <ogra> doko, mdz lost the notes from your face to face talk in wiesbaden
[05:35] <doko> argh!
[05:35] <doko> he didn't tell me
[05:35] <Kamion> doko: so, I'm just trying to get a grip on the status of your specs hre
[05:35] <Kamion> here
[05:36] <Kamion> edgy-toolchain-roadmap> is there anything left? we shouldn't be doing much more toolchain work at this point
[05:36] <Kamion> edgyplusone-toolchain-roadmap I'm assuming is a special case and will start happening after FF
[05:36] <doko> we updated them at the sprint. should be up to date.
[05:36] <Kamion> ooo-langpacks is unknown? openoffice-spellchecking is not started?
[05:36] <doko> edgy-toolchain-roadmap: libc/libstdc++ ABI issues on powerpc and sparc; need to get jbailey
[05:37] <Kamion> packaging-hints I suppose can drift
[05:37] <doko> edgyplusone-toolchain-roadmap: yes, we did want to open edgy+1 for the toolchain in the near future
[05:37] <Kamion> python-roadmap looks mostly done, although I've noticed the odd issue - are you going to do another pass to make sure all the stragglers are cleaned up?
[05:37] <Kamion> generally speaking I've been rejecting new packages that don't meet python-roadmap
[05:37] <Keybuk> me also
[05:37] <doko> ooo-langpacks: bounty for haggai
[05:38] <Kamion> I don't know if we'll actually open edgy+1, but the toolchain can always be staged somewhere
[05:38] <Kamion> when was that communicated to haggai
[05:38] <doko> python-roadmap: you'll get an update of syncs (without changelogs) for some more packages (and zope)
[05:38] <Kamion> ?
[05:38] <Keybuk> Kamion: "PPA" :p
[05:38] <Kamion> ok (grumble :-))
[05:38] <doko> Kamion: did talk with mdz at the sprint and with haggai this week
[05:39] <Kamion> python2.5 you covered; let me/mdz know if that needs to be deferred
[05:39] <doko> openoffice-spellchecking: yes, these are the hypenation patterns
[05:39] <Kamion> likewise for ooo-langpacks
[05:39] <doko> python2.5: will do. won't become the default, but will rebuild the library packages to build the 2.5 extensions as well
[05:40] <doko> ooo-langpacks won't be ready for ff, but for the OOo 2.0.4 release (which is mid September)
[05:40] <Kamion> ok, I think that's covered it, then
[05:41] <Kamion> hmm, we'll have to discuss that as a FF exception nearer the time, if you haven't done so with mdz already
[05:41] <Kamion> ok, thanks doko
[05:41] <Kamion> mvo_: ?
[05:41] <mvo_> Did:
[05:41] <mvo_> * dev-meeting Wiesbaden
[05:41] <mvo_> * gnome-app-install upload with caching support (startup speedups), bugfixes
[05:41] <mvo_> * cdrom based dist-upgrades spec: implementation in dist-upgrader started, basic support ready and uploaded
[05:41] <mvo_> * notification-daemon: backport sizing problem fix, fixed (in edgy): sizing and shape problem for downward arrows, added experimental "composition" branch that makes notifications transparent
[05:41] <mvo_> * misc (bash cmd-not-found, some apt rdepends, language-selector, looked over apts breaks support, hplip upgrade problem, realplayer upload)
[05:41] <mvo_> * bug triage
[05:41] <mvo_> Blocked:
[05:41] <mvo_> * review of the "AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse" spec
[05:41] <mvo_> Will do:
[05:41] <mvo_> * more work on the cdrom based dist-ugprades spec, finish update-notifier support and get in touch with kamion about the best way to integrate it onto the CD
[05:41] <mvo_> * go over the outstanding apt issues/bugs
[05:41] <mvo_> * add "mark manually installed" button to synaptic (control the auto-installed information)
[05:41] <Kamion> oh, that's another one for my to-do
[05:41] <Kamion>   cdrom-based-dist-upgrades: Add upgrader to CD images.
[05:42] <mvo_> :)
[05:42] <Kamion> so most of your specs are "beta available"; is there a substantial amount more to be done on any of them?
[05:42] <mvo_> Kamion: I opened a bug and asked for advice about the place to put it in the build-scripts, if I get feedback there I should be able to add it myself
[05:43] <Kamion> mvo_: ok, noted, I'll get back to you on that
[05:43] <mvo_> the recommends-supports needs some more work to make it possible to turn it only on for selected packages/package-ranges (e.g. only meta-package or only main)
[05:43] <mvo_> the dependency-removal needs better support in aptitude and synaptic to be perfect
[05:43] <Kamion> recommends-supports> that sounds like it might be worse to have in an incomplete state than not at all; send me/mdz mail if it needs to be deferred
[05:44] <mvo_> but it is in good shape and I think I can get some more done within the week
[05:44] <Kamion> dependency-removal can stay in there in partial form, I imagine
[05:44] <mvo_> Kamion: it is complete, it is just not enabled by default yet. I talked with mdz about enabling it only for partial packages by default
[05:45] <Kamion> ah, so at least people can do --with-recommends explicitly, ok
[05:45] <mvo_> yes
[05:45] <Kamion> anything left to do on the popcon specs?
[05:46] <mvo_> beside advocating to get more people to enable it, no :)
[05:46] <ogra> btw, ltsp has a popcon mode included for thin clients ;)
[05:46] <mvo_> someone should blog about that great popcon thing
[05:46] <Kamion> I imagine those can be marked Implemented then
[05:46] <mvo_> ok
[05:46] <dholbach> mvo_: didn't you just create a new blog? :)
[05:46] <ogra> he did ????
[05:47] <ogra> he needs a hackergochi !
[05:47] <mvo_> dholbach: *shhhsssss*
[05:47] <Kamion> command-not-found I've seen activity on today
[05:47] <Kamion> apt-ddtp - that had some Soyuz work done, is it mostly complete?
[05:48] <mvo_> Kamion: command-not-found is in the archive, if it gets installed it should work out of the box, its a matter of fine tuning the database now
[05:48] <mvo_> apt-ddtp is complete as well (modulo bugs and automatic imports/export of the translations, that is currently a manual process, I do the uploads)
[05:49] <Kamion> ok, we have six more people to go and 12 minutes to do that in, eek
[05:49] <Kamion> thanks mvo
[05:49] <mvo_> thanks Kamion
[05:49] <Kamion> ogra: ?
[05:49] <ogra> * this-week:
[05:49] <ogra>  - thinclient-local-devices - finished, hunting last bugs, included in knot2
[05:49] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion - pete savage has nearly done the complete spec implementation (three cheers for him !!!), need to review the code
[05:49] <ogra>  - ltsp-login-and-session-handling - good progress, ldm side done, the 20 line server bit needs packaging
[05:49] <ogra>  - ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration - slow progress ready for knot 3
[05:49] <mvo_> ogra: you have 2 minutes :P
[05:49] <ogra>  - fully-automatic-swap-server - reassigned to rodarvus
[05:49] <ogra>  - knot 2 preparation
[05:49] <ogra> * next-week:
[05:49] <ogra>  - implement ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration
[05:49] <ogra>  - finish ltsp-login-and-session-handling
[05:49] <ogra>  - finish ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration
[05:49] <ogra>  - merge remaining debian changes into ltsp
[05:49] <ogra>  - fix gnome-session fade and logout handling on thin clients (and see if the latter is appropriate to backport to dapper)
[05:49] <ogra>  - look into gnome-screensaver GL hacks supression
[05:49] <ogra> * other specs:
[05:49] <ogra>  - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs - mdz requested i should do a meeting with infinity before feature freeze to run it on the livefs build machines (to be scheduled)
[05:49] <ogra>  - ltsp-convergence: (no progress, multi distro meeting sept. 14th-19th)
[05:49] <ogra>  - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no further progress debian patches applied locally)
[05:50] <ogra> mvo_, done :P
[05:50] <rodarvus> dude, you have a lot to do next week :D
[05:50] <ogra> right
[05:50] <ogra> well, the gnome-screensaver stuff is a bugfix ...
[05:50] <Kamion> I've made a note about the meeting with infinity; perhaps you could mail him and cc me, if you haven't already
[05:50] <ogra> but likely intrusive
[05:50] <Kamion> implement *and* finish ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration? :-)
[05:50] <Riddell> and up to 45MB to remove from the edubuntu CDs
[05:50] <ogra> Kamion, i havent yet, wanted to meet up next week some day
[05:51] <Kamion> ltsp-login-and-session-handling is currently marked Not Started; I'll move it to good progress
[05:51] <ogra> Kamion, right, now that i have a CD thats easier ;)
[05:51] <ogra> thanks
[05:51] <ogra> i think i'm done tomorrow ... its quite trivial
[05:52] <Kamion> ok, spec status looks manageable then, thanks
[05:52] <ogra> Riddell, i dont care for the live cds yet ... its not what we ship, so its not highest prio for me
[05:52] <Kamion> rodarvus: ?
[05:52] <rodarvus> Done:
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * Return from developers Sprint, recovering from X incident
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * Ubuntu OLPC headhunting (two positions, ping me if you know someone)
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * work on fully-automatic-swap-server
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * Ubuntu OLPC administrativia
[05:52] <rodarvus> Todo:
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * X security updates are possibly needed, need to check those with pitti
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * finish fully-automatic-swap-server (hopefully today)
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * more headhunting
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * Lots of documentation and administrativia for Ubuntu OLPC
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * Some X.Org uploads (driver updates, last aiglx modifications)
[05:52] <rodarvus>  * X "current status" email, describing whats done, whats missing, and what would be nice to have for edgy+1 (so someone can pick up from here)
[05:53] <Kamion> sounds good. We'll give you more specs next time round ;-)
[05:53] <ogra> haha
[05:53] <rodarvus> as my weekly report tries to mention, I won't be able to give X much attention from now on (this is being repeted for the last few weeks :) ). Help on stuff that needs fixing before edgy is released is appreciated
[05:54] <ogra> Kamion, i tried that .. and then he got X :)
[05:54] <mvo_> rodarvus: we enable composite by default now, would it make sense to run a xcompmgr by default then too if we detect DRI?
[05:54] <Kamion> we're in a much better position now with respect to X/Debian merging than we were in edgy
[05:54] <ogra> yep
[05:54] <rodarvus> I'll have my hands quite full with OLPC stuff from now on
[05:54] <ogra> kudos rodarvus
[05:54] <Mithrandir> Kamion: s/edgy/dapper/?
[05:54] <Kamion> er, yes, dapper
[05:54] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: can we discuss more about how to do X for the rest of the cycle in #u-x afterwards?
[05:55] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, sure, would be great
[05:55] <rodarvus> thanks guys :)
[05:55] <Kamion> mvo_: feels like edgy+1, but is a discussion for elsewhere anyway
[05:55] <Kamion> thanks rodarvus
[05:55] <Kamion> Keybuk: ?
[05:55] <Keybuk> Done:
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * OMGWTFBBQ
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * ReplacementInit: in the archive, working on full compatibility for sysvinit so that we can replace that package with only elmo noticing
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * BootMessageLogging: stalled pending completion of RI (which implements it)
[05:55] <Keybuk> To do:
[05:55] <rodarvus> mvo_, I don't think xcompmgr is necessary, is it?
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * Figure out what I'm doing to the console that kills X
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * Split sysvinit into sysvinit and sysvutils (pidof, killall5, last, etc.)
[05:55] <Keybuk>  * Upload upstart that c/r sysvinit
[05:56] <Riddell> lots of sladenporn from the BBQ, but no keybuk porn
[05:56] <Keybuk> Riddell: hmm?
[05:56] <Riddell> later :)
[05:56] <Kamion> Keybuk: c/r sysvinit and depends: sysvutils, I guess
[05:56] <ogra> *corner
[05:56] <rodarvus> mvo_, we'd need to update it to latest version and promote to main too (we can talk about this later if you want, though)
[05:57] <Keybuk> Kamion: the latter has to be an essential package anyway, but yes
[05:57] <mvo_> rodarvus: I would like to talk about that at some point (maybe tomorrow, I will leave in ~30min)
[05:57] <Kamion> ok, looking good. what's the probability that we have to defer replacement-init at this point?
[05:57] <rodarvus> sure, lets do it tomorrow
[05:57] <Keybuk> Kamion: at this point, I'm really happy with it, so I don't think we'll need to at all
[05:58] <Keybuk> the main blocker now is just a code review from martin
[05:58] <Kamion> excellent
[05:58] <Keybuk> I've completely implemented runlevel compatibility
[05:58] <Kamion> I'll do some code review early next week as well; remind me
[05:59] <Keybuk> so "telinit 4" works for the freaks, and they can grovel in utmp for the runlevel, etc.
[05:59] <ogra> pitto will have a hard week next week
[05:59] <ogra> *pitti
[05:59] <Kamion> thanks Keybuk, we'd better move on
[05:59] <Kamion> seb128: ?
[05:59] <seb128> This week:
[05:59] <seb128> * played with aiglx, compiz, etc
[05:59] <seb128> * packaged goocanvas, pygoocanvas, looked at uslab (contributor work on the new panel applet from Novel)
[05:59] <seb128> * bug triage, bug triage, bug triage
[05:59] <seb128> * some GNOME updates and desktop bugs fixed
[05:59] <seb128> .
[05:59] <seb128> Next week:
[05:59] <seb128> * keep bug triaging
[05:59] <seb128> * GNOME 2.16.0
[06:01] <seb128> hehe :)
[06:01] <Kamion> how are desktop bugs holding?
[06:01] <seb128> we are slightly catching up I think
[06:02] <seb128> but there is still lot of them, we could use some extra hand
[06:02] <dholbach> we're barely able to stem the tide
[06:02] <Kamion> I know the feeling
[06:02] <Kamion> ok, well if anyone reading has spare time ...
[06:02] <Kamion> thanks seb128
[06:03] <Kamion> sfllaw: here? (worth another try)
[06:03] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ?
[06:03] <Mithrandir> sane-installer-keyboard: needs d-i upload, will do post-knot, as well as testing
[06:03] <Mithrandir> live-cd-write-as-you-go:  no progress, will rescue
[06:03] <Mithrandir> livecd-sessions: defer
[06:03] <Mithrandir> misc: knot-2 release preparations - almost there now.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> next week: live-cd-write-as-you-go: get it implemented, get the kde accessibility stuff implemented
[06:03] <Kamion> Mithrandir: sane-installer-keyboard needs a ubiquity patch too
[06:04] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yeah, I know.
[06:04] <Mithrandir> I'm a bit too good at keeping statuses in my head rather than in launchpad.
[06:04] <Kamion> live-cd-write-as-you-go> depends on how much work it is; if it won't make it by FF, better defer it concentrate on finishing up everything else
[06:04] <sfllaw> Kamion: Yeah, I'm here.  I'm ill.
[06:04] <Kamion> s/concentrate/and concentrate/
[06:04] <sfllaw> Just woke up.  Had a bad night.
[06:05] <Kamion> oh, but live-cd-write-as-you-go was a fallback from livecd-sessions, hmm
[06:05] <Mithrandir> Kamion: yeah.  I have to have something to do after FF too, if not fix bugs, then what? ;-P
[06:05] <Kamion> Mithrandir: please mark livecd-sessions deferred in LP if you haven't already
[06:05] <Kamion> Mithrandir: by definition, not features :)
[06:05] <Mithrandir> Kamion: will do (haven't yet)
[06:05] <Kamion> (and send mail to me/mdz about the deferral)
[06:06] <Mithrandir> willdo
[06:06] <Kamion> thanks for your good work on knot-2
[06:06] <Mithrandir> I hope the freeze has been less painful for people this time around.
[06:06] <Kamion> sfllaw: ok, you're excused then, get well soon
[06:07] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, knot-2 was really great compared to knot-1. congratulations
[06:07] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: it's not out yet. :-)
[06:07] <Kamion> Mithrandir: also 50319 and copying accessibility defaults; let me know if you need me to take over either/both of those
[06:07] <rodarvus> Mithrandir, will it take another 5 days? :)
[06:07] <Kamion> 50319 is at least half mine anyway
[06:07] <ogra> rodarvus, its not even fully tested
[06:08] <Mithrandir> rodarvus: don't jinx it
[06:08] <Kamion> BenC: yep, I think it's your turn now
[06:08] <BenC> libata: Defered for edgy+1. UUID parts implemented for edgy (some bootloaders still need attention, but not as pressing an issue).
[06:08] <BenC> kernel crash dumps: kexec-tools uploaded, need to add script for dropping to shell in initramfs and capturing the crash info.
[06:08] <BenC> The rest of the kernel: Coming along well. Unfortunately, I was not able to get the big shiny new kernel update done in time for Knot-2, but it will be there for people to update to.
[06:08] <BenC> Work last week: kernel bugs
[06:08] <BenC> Work next week: them kernel bugs still
[06:08] <BenC> .
[06:08] <BenC> Have done a lot of work getting dapper bugs tested on edgy. Will continue this so that we can see what bugs are still affecting us, and which are fixed simply because edgy kernel is newer. Bugs that are still present across dapper/edgy will be pushed upstream. If bugs are fixed by edgy, will attempt to backport fixes for dapper.
[06:08] <BenC> just want to make sure I wasn't forgotten like week before last :)
[06:08] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'll grab 50319
[06:08] <Kamion> we should really get at least yaboot done before FF
[06:09] <BenC> yeah, I have work-in-progress in yabooyt
[06:09] <BenC> which will transfer easily to silo
[06:09] <Kamion> good - I ran out of time for it :(
[06:10] <Kamion> BenC: is the above all that's left from linux-kernel-crash-dumps?
[06:10] <ogra> lets not do a 4 month cycle again !
[06:10] <Kamion> amen
[06:11] <BenC> Kamion: now that I figured out why my kexec-tools upload wasn't getting accepted, all that's needed is that script for initramfs...should be rather simple
[06:11] <Kamion> BenC: ok, I'll mark it good progress then
[06:12] <Kamion> right, and I think we're done
[06:12] <Kamion> any other business before we close?
[06:12] <ogra> only 12mins over :)
[06:13] <Kamion> ok, let's move anything else to #ubuntu-devel
[06:13] <Kamion> thank you all for your time; adjourned
[06:13] <ogra> thanks Kamion
[06:13] <fschoep> OK, thanks Kamion, everyone.
[06:13] <doko> thanks
[06:14] <seb128> thank you
[06:14] <ranf> bug #50319
[06:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50319 in casper "Accessibility options are not preserved on installs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/50319
[06:14] <mvo_> thanks
[06:14] <dholbach> thanks Kamion
[06:14] <kwwii> thanks, see you next week :-)
[06:32] <Arbiter> @schedule Europe/Rome
[06:32] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 06 Sep 00:00: Community Council | 07 Sep 23:00: Kubuntu
[06:32] <Arbiter> aawww CC at midnight!
[06:41] <Burgwork> @now vancouver
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Vancouver: August 31 2006, 09:41:54 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team


[00:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Heh, about that.
[00:12] <Unit193> For anyone not on the devel list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2019-April/011782.html
[02:43] <Unit193> knome: You've got a removal request (I can't ack it.)


[05:46] <Kilos> morning nhaines svij and all other peeps
[08:04] <elacheche> Hey! How are you Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> good ty elacheche and you?
[08:04] <elacheche> Tired :(
[08:12] <Kilos> not too bad ty
[08:13] <Kilos> sleep would be good though
[08:20] <elacheche> yeah x)
[16:14] <tsimonq2> o/ elacheche and Kilos
[16:15] <elacheche> Hey tsimonq2 :)
[16:22] <Kilos> hi tsimonq2
[16:25] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[16:26] <elacheche> Good tsimonq2 :) You?
[16:26] <pbjarting> Hi question. Laptop dual boot win/ubu brand and seller in sveden ?
[16:28] <tsimonq2> good :D
[16:29] <pbjarting> New laptops do not work since Win 8 also Bios problems
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my
[16:33] <Kilos> pbjarting must you have windows as well
[16:33] <Kilos> https://system76.com/
[16:33] <tsimonq2> ^^^
[16:34] <pbjarting> all new laptops are preinstalled with Win. Win is now blocking Bios. Do not want to go for Mac yet.
[16:34] <Kilos> or find a second hand win7 laptop and install ibintu on it
[16:35] <Kilos> if you are clued up there are ways of fixing the bios
[16:35] <pbjarting> I want new stuff.  They preinstall Ubuntu
[16:36] <tsimonq2> +1
[16:36] <Kilos> there is a program called flashrom for linux
[16:36] <pbjarting> Yes, you can fix Bios but you have to clear CMOS, Cannot do on Laptop. Desktop is no problem
[16:36] <Kilos> they even fix bricked motherboards
[16:37] <elacheche> Please STOP :)
[16:37] <elacheche> We can't talk about BIOS! It's UFI not BIOS..
[16:37] <Kilos> haha
[16:37] <Kilos> yes that too
[16:38] <pbjarting> Need Win for certain compat reasons.  Becasue if you don't, you can install it on a VM :)
[16:39] <pbjarting> yes got a Toshiba and Inet took back. No go. Asked if they could guarantee if any Laptop would work. They could not
[16:39] <elacheche> What is the model of your new laptop?
[16:40] <pbjarting> sent back with full return from company.
[16:41] <elacheche> Now you don't have a new laptop?
[16:43] <pbjarting> using desktop right now and have a working Toshiba with dual boot. Probably will have to got to Mac.
[16:44] <pbjarting> They do not block Bios as far as I Know.
[16:44] <Kilos> can you dual boot a mac with win?
[16:44] <elacheche> pbjarting, if you can get a mac so you don"t need a win?
[16:44] <elacheche> pbjarting, it can be more praticla if you can explain your case so we can help you find a good solutioon
[16:45] <pbjarting> Don't know i you can have dual boot MacOS/WIN but MacOS/Linux dhould work
[16:46] <Kilos> get the https://system76.com/ pc and run win in vm if you need it
[16:46] <elacheche> pbjarting, why you need win or osx?? Why you need the dualboot?
[16:49] <pbjarting> MacOs/WIn will handle applications for cellulars and navigating systems. Linux will not.
[16:50] <elacheche> Can you be move specific? Can you name the applications?
[16:50] <pbjarting> You cannot emulate the WIn application in Linux. As soon as we are looking at emulated access to periferals. We are talning about problems.
[16:51] <pbjarting> Yes, access to Motorola Defy and TomTOm navigators.
[16:53] <elacheche> I understand now :)
[16:56] <pbjarting> Does anyone got any experience with dual boot Mac/Linux ?
[17:01] <pbjarting> Will go away for a while. pls continue writing if you have got any hints.
[17:03] <elacheche> pbjarting, it's easier to do than some UFI pcs :D You'll have no issues as I know
[17:07] <pbjarting> Thanks you help. My e-mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you would think abt something else
[17:20] <pbjarting> Thanks for info abt UFI. An improvement ? Maybe but I do not like secure boot.
[17:21] <elacheche> pbjarting, it's not that "secure" x)
[20:23]  * pbjarting slaps pbjarting around a bit with a large fishbot
[20:25] <pbjarting> just checking functions
[21:39] <yanis> hello everybody. can you read my msgs?
[21:39] <yanis> if yes answer please. I have question.
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> yanis: Hey!
[21:48] <elacheche_anis> How can I help yanis
[21:49] <yanis> I want to create a new loco team in my country algeria. can you guide me how to proceed?
[21:51] <pleia2> yanis: I recommend starting with http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-dz/
[21:51] <pleia2> there are some links to a mailing list, wiki, website
[21:52] <pleia2> may not be active (I haven't checked), but you may find some contacts or other folks interested
[21:52] <pleia2> looks like they also have a channel: #ubuntu-dz
[21:53] <yanis> thanks a lot man :)
[21:56] <mhall119> yanis: if there isn't anyone active in the team anymore, you can be the one to revive it
[21:56] <mhall119> otherwise, get involved with them and help out
[22:06] <elacheche_anis> mhall119: pleia2 if yanis came back here tell him to ping me, I know the dz loco ex-leaders so I can hep him reactivate the loco
[22:07] <elacheche_anis> RIP Ian → https://bits.debian.org/2015/12/mourning-ian-murdock.html
[22:07] <elacheche_anis> :(
[22:08] <elacheche_anis> OK, yanis sent a mail.. I'll contact him to makes him contact the ex leaders..
[22:08]  * elacheche_anis GTG.. Good night :)
[22:17] <mhall119> thanks elacheche
[22:21] <pleia2> he posted to the loco mailing list too
[22:29] <tsimonq2> RIP Ian Murdock ;(
[22:30]  * pleia2 nods
[22:46]  * tsimonq2 actually found out from pleia2's Twitter RT
[22:46] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:47] <tsimonq2> pleia2: and somebody in debian-devel suggested renaming Debian! https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/12/msg00446.html


[14:35] <cmaloney> CHC tonight if anyone is interested and around
[15:41] <jrwren> https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2020/08/12/introducing-the-red-hat-flatpak-runtime-for-desktop-containers/
[15:42] <cmaloney> We're recreating Mac applications, poorly
[15:43] <jrwren> i dunno, i think it is well.
[15:43] <cmaloney> What comes to mind for me is "how does this integrate with the DE"
[15:43] <jrwren> but probably some room for improvement.
[15:43] <cmaloney> eg: themes, hints, etc.
[15:44] <jrwren> ah yup... "oh, sandboxed, it can't read your theme settings in your homedir"
[15:44] <jrwren> "but it can talk to dbus no probably"
[15:44] <jrwren> I'm guessing, I have no idea.
[15:44] <cmaloney> Yeah, DBus is probably handling this
[15:44] <cmaloney> as soon as I posted that's what came to mind
[15:45] <cmaloney> Interesting times ahead
[15:45] <cmaloney> also will be fun if there's a security problem in the container and not all of them get updated
[15:45] <cmaloney> I never thought that the desktop of the future would be a rack of virtualized machines
[15:45] <cmaloney> yet, here we are
[15:49] <jrwren> not really any difference than a security update in a non-container.
[15:50] <cmaloney> right, but the chances of an OS update making the fix are higher than the container making the fix
[15:53] <jrwren> how so?
[15:53] <jrwren> there is nothing that says flatpack gets updated separately from an RPM or DEB.
[15:53] <jrwren> notice there is no flatpack separate store mentioned in the article.
[15:54] <jrwren> this isn't that snappy b.s. ;)
[15:55] <cmaloney> Ah
[15:55] <cmaloney> "A runtime is a filesystem image with system-level libraries and other files. As shown in Figure 1, a system can contain a variety of runtimes, with each being used by multiple applications."
[15:56] <cmaloney> "In addition to saving space, another big advantage of the runtime separation is handling security updates. If there is a security bug in a system library, we only need to update the runtime, and don’t need to rebuild every application. A runtime can’t possibly include every library that any application would want to use, so libraries can also be bundled with the application. An
[15:56] <cmaloney> application typically uses a mix of libraries from the runtime and bundled libraries."


 not yet been busy
 @teward001 Ok, just whenever you have a free cycle. :)
[17:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: two perhaps useful packages to add: gphoto2 v4l2loopback-utils v4l2loopback-dkms
[17:42] <OvenWerks> the last two one is the dep of the other.
[17:42] <OvenWerks> Reason for adding? -> https://medium.com/nerdery/dslr-webcam-setup-for-linux-9b6d1b79ae22
[17:42] <OvenWerks> better use of OBS
[17:46] <OvenWerks> Having said that, I could not get it to work yet. Adding the kernel module (v4l2loopback-dkms) does make my camera show up but the loopback command doesn't work for me (using VLC or cheese or OBS)
[17:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'll add it to my list. :)
[18:00] <OvenWerks> I can add my dslr to OBS using gphoto2 --stdout --capture-movie | ffplay -
[18:01] <OvenWerks> which creates a window and then using that window in OSB rather than the v4l loopback
[18:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, totally. That's something that game streamers want, and something that is 100% part of my vision for this project.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> the v4l loopback would be nicer though. I will work on that... at some time
[18:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, gphoto2 is easy since it's already in the archive.
[18:04] <OvenWerks> v4l loopback is too
[18:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, it all is. Are we looking to make a frontend for this?
[18:05]  * OvenWerks has to get it all to work first
[18:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, bet. If we can make a front-end that makes this braindead simple ala studio-controls, I'm all for it.
[18:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> In fact, I'm in love with this idea.
[18:08] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: remember the libvirt bug I told you about? virsh/virt-manager complaining that storage is not btrfs, refusing to mount storagte. It is fixed already 😍
[18:08] <OvenWerks> It would be easy to add the load module at boot button (similar to the use ffado maodules
[18:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Gotta love it when bugfixes do their job. :)
[18:09] <MauroGaspari[m]> well, it is in proposed. but I just tested it and it works nicely now. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/1901242
[18:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, an SRU. I just finished an SRU for darktable this morning. I've gotten quite used to writing those. :)
[18:09] <OvenWerks> The module does not interfere with the use of entangle either
[18:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, since we already have the framework and have been there before, I'd say this would be a great target for this cycle.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> I will add it to my list...
[18:12] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks: you asked to test if autojack/studio controls crash in 20.10. I managed to get it to crash a few times. I was trying to break network-manager by starting VPNs with wrong settings, cancelling connection while it attempted to connect. that triggered a crash of my panel (probably nm-applet) and then the panel restarted. when that happened, studio controls (autojack) crashed too.
[18:12] <MauroGaspari[m]> Do you want me to attempt recreate and save logs?
[18:13] <OvenWerks> sure
[18:14] <OvenWerks> best with log level set to extra of course
[18:14] <MauroGaspari[m]> outside of that crazy test I did, it is rock solid. I will try to break it again and keep an eye on it. actually let me fire up Timeshift before I do that 😅
[18:16] <MauroGaspari[m]> OvenWerks: I will check that tomorrow. I just realized it is 2AM here wooopsss. see you guys later 😴
[18:16] <OvenWerks> o/
[18:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> SLEEP Mauro Gaspari , it's for your own good!
[18:18] <RikMills> I expect you all noticed, but Qt 5.15 is here and plasma 5.20 is landing...
[18:18]  * OvenWerks wonders if that is release or git (-controls that is)
[18:19] <RikMills> and some kde applications updates
[18:19] <OvenWerks> RikMills: cool.
[18:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Cool.
[18:20] <RikMills> s/cool/kool
[18:21]  * Eickmeyer[m] really needs to get a hirsute environment going other than his packaging server
[21:02] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: do you have kde 'user-manager' package in your seeds? if so, when new plasma desktop migrates it will obsolete it, as the KCM has been reworked and merged into that
[21:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: I'll double-check, but I'm pretty sure we do. If that's the case, will it just go transitional-dummy, or should I remove it from the seed?
[21:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> (Just confirmed, we do carry it)
[21:04] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: I woiuld remove from seed either way, but I am waiting to see what debian do regards a transitional package before I add one
[21:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Works for me. :)
[21:05] <RikMills> kool
[21:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's a recommends, so it'll just get dropped from the metas as soon as I do a refresh.
[21:05] <RikMills> great
[21:07] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: note: because of same files, plasma-desktop has to break/replace it, so if people ask if that is ok to allow it to be removed, then obviously the answer is yes
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Makes sense. I doubt we'll have too many people upset about it this early in the cycle, so I think we're good to go.
[21:08] <RikMills> yeah, I just mention to cover all bases
[21:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> CYA. Got it. :)
[21:08] <RikMills> :)
[22:04] <OvenWerks> it appears v4l2loopback is broken in 20.04
[22:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: see: https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback/issues/370#issuecomment-723181424 and https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback/issues/370#issuecomment-723228590
[22:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I can confirm that installing the 20.10 package just works
[22:06] <OvenWerks> (in 20.04 using dpkg i as suggested)
[22:06] <OvenWerks> As 20.04 is LTS it would make sense to fix this maybe?
[22:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: also, while talking adding packages  ;)  there is an OBS module that would be nice to add.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> https://github.com/CatxFish/obs-v4l2sink
[22:57] <OvenWerks> This OBS module allows the output of OBS to show up on linux as a video device (like another camera)
[22:58] <OvenWerks> This means that obs could be used as the camera in online conferencing tools like zoom, hangouts, skype, etc.
[23:01]  * OvenWerks now has two Camaera batteries to install
[23:17] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: Bug #1903926
[23:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That's brilliant, but that bug...
[23:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> We might be able to SRU that.
[23:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, so long as the diff isn't gigantic.
[23:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looks like there's an SRU for it now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/v4l2loopback/+bug/1901491
[23:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Would that do the trick?


[18:03] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:09] <chilts> morning
[23:00] <mwhudson> you know you're having a good day when rdiff-backup segfaults
[23:03] <olly_> afternoon
[23:31] <ibeardslee> ouch


[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135159 in evolution-data-server (main) "Evolution in Tribe-5 requires data server restart to connect to Exchange" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135159
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135161 in kipi-plugins (main) "gps sync plugin documentation is incorrect" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135161
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135162 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice 2.3 does not parse MS XML Files properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135162
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135166 in ubuntu "Excessive memory usage" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135166
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135168 in gnome-panel (main) "apta" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135168
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135170 in hildon-desktop (universe) "Invalid startup notification message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135170
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #125904 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "random crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125904
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126048 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with AttributeError in _resyncResolution()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126048
[02:11] <pochu> asac: pingaling :)
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135173 in ubuntu "Dell Inspiron 1501. Output to VGA does not work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135173
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135174 in ubuntu "libnet-perl install problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135174
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135175 in gnome-panel (main) "amarok crashes on start up of program" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135175
[02:42] <pochu> asac: I'm quiting now, if you can check bug 116687, it's just adding MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME, so listen doesn't crash anymore when clicking on lyrics and wikipedia. It works fine here, so I guess it's Ok to upload it. I'd be glad if you can sponsor it :)
[02:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116687 in listen "[gutsy]  Listen crashes with segfault" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116687
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135178 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "[gutsy]  gtkpod-aac does not live up to its name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135178
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135179 in update-manager (main) "'E:The package mfc8420lpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.'" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135179
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135180 in ubuntu "no sound from line-in" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135180
[03:07] <ubotu> New bug: #135181 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "[Gutsy]  Inspiron 510m needs 915resolution for 1400x1050 native resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135181
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135182 in gedit (main) "[Gutsy]  "lose changes in last x mins" confusing if the user has never saved" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135182
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135183 in ubuntu "No sound except via System Beep" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135183
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135184 in ubuntu "gutsy gibbon tribe 5, installing a login manager theme from art.gnome.org wont allow it to be visible or selected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135184
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135187 in gutenprint (main) "Canon Pixma iP4300 prints very dark" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135187
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135188 in base-installer (main) "[gutsy tribe-5]  cannot install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135188
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135189 in base-installer (main) "[gutsy tribe-5]  unnecessary init items?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135189
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135190 in base-installer (main) "[gutsy tribe-5]  bcm43xx module on install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135190
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135191 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "[Gutsy]  thunderbird crash on reply" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135191
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135192 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS Installer Crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135192
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135193 in firefox (main) "xmradio.com streaming service does not work in Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135193
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135194 in ubuntu "xsane does not recognize HP " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135194
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135195 in ubuntu "BCM43xx firmware does not install from Restricted Drivers Manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135195
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135196 in bluez-utils (main) "A2DP support is not included in the binary packages of bluez-utils" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135196
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135197 in xchat-gnome (main) "Icon missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135197
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135198 in hal (main) "My sound card is not working and i do not have sound." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135198
[05:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135199 in mythplugins (multiverse) "dependency conflict (mythmusic and mythtv) 0.20.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135199
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135200 in ubuntu "gutsy amd64 oops at startup on core 2 duo 965p-gs3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135200
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135201 in ubuntu "background color of symlink in konsole terminal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135201
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135202 in ubuntu "Bad boot from LiveCD 7.04" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135202
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135203 in ubiquity (main) "Installer freezes in ubuntu 7.10 tribe-5 amd64 live CD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135203
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135206 in debian-installer (main) "output crash during installation with Gutsy Tribe5 alternate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135206
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135207 in ubuntu "Removable Drivers and Media preferences is showing gnome-cups-add as a default for printers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135207
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135208 in nozomi (universe) "nozomi kernel module compile fails on Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135208
[07:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135209 in ubuntu "JAVA JRE Won't INSTALL on GUTSY GIBBON" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135209
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135210 in ubuntu "Audio Streaming JAVA SCRIPT DOESN'T WORK on FireFox & Gutsy TRIBE-5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135210
[08:06] <kagou> hi
[08:39] <ubotu> New bug: #135214 in gwget2 "gwget should differentiate between resumable files & not" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135214
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135216 in mythtv (multiverse) "OSD fonts badly rendered in most zoom settings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135216
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135219 in network-manager (main) "WPA networks don't always work after suspend" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135219
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135221 in kdepim (main) "package kaddressbook 4:3.5.7enterprise20070810-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: Versuche, ?/usr/share/services/kontact/kaddressbookplugin.desktop? zu ?berschreiben, welches auch in Paket kontact ist" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135221
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135222 in ubuntu "archive manager doesn't open mis-named archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135222
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135223 in gthumb (main) "gthumb don't turn photos when import from camera" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135223
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135224 in migration-assistant (main) "[gutsy]  Migration Assistant exits strangely" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135224
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135225 in nautilus (main) "[gusty tribe 5]  nautilus sort's files only by name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135225
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135226 in apparmor (main) "Apparmor profile for Gaim needs updating to Pidgin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135226
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135227 in ubuntu "Gutsy LiveCD does not boot from USB drive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135227
[10:39] <kagou> are they french or deutch here, under Tribe4 uptodate or Tribe5 ?
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135228 in gnome-session (main) "GNOME session freezes to black screen, Failsafe GNOME session works fine" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135228
[10:47] <Hobbsee> kagou: er, what?
[10:48] <kagou> Hobbsee, can you confirm Bug #128258
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128258 in libpaper "[Gutsy Tribe5]  Paper size for new printers is set to letter instead of A4" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128258
[10:49] <kagou> Hobbsee, problem is for me, since Tribe4 /etc/papaersize is not present so cups use default letter paper size
[10:49] <kagou> /etc/papersize
[10:50] <Hobbsee> kagou: no idea, i dont print much
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135229 in ubuntu "gusty - openoffice.org-gtk - icons are to close to the left when using a gtk style with left a left color bar (dup-of: 135230)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135229
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135230 in openoffice.org (main) "gusty - openoffice.org-gtk - icons are to close to the left when using a gtk style with left a left color bar" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135230
[10:51] <kagou> Hobbsee, if you are under tribe4 uptodate or tribe5 can you just tell me if you have /etc/papersize
[10:51] <Hobbsee> i dont
[10:51] <Hobbsee> i have a /etc/papersize.dpkg-inst
[10:52] <kagou> Hobbsee, great ! i confirm the problem and investigate more
[10:54] <kagou> thank you
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135231 in openoffice.org (main) "gusty - openoffice.org-gtk - default settings remove "human" icons and icon size style" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135231
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #132579 in kde-guidance (main) "displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132579
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #133927 in kde-guidance (main) "mountconfig.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133927
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135233 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Sony PCG-SRX51P/B suspend fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135233
[11:15] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: ping
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135236 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Gutsy Tribe 5 does not recognize SD card in card reader of Samsung X11-T5500 notebook" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135236
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135237 in evolution (main) "Evolution 2.10.1 produces: Error while Storing folder 'Inbox'. Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync"." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135237
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135238 in gnupg2 (main) ""an user" should be "a user"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135238
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135239 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Kdenlive has no proper bugtracker ..." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135239
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #127327 in kaffeine (main) "kaffeine crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127327
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135242 in j2se1.4-i586 (multiverse) "Cannot install using adept_manager on gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135242
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135241 in firefox (main) "[gutsy]  some animations are really *slow*" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135241
[12:19] <coNP> Hey pochu. How are you? Haven't seen you for ages...
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135244 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's to firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135244
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135245 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's to firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135245
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135246 in ubuntu "My SB live sound card isn't always working. It works when I open the PC in the morning but when I reboot it does nothing. No sound at all." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135246
[12:32] <pochu> coNP: congrats for your new MOTU-powers! :)
[12:32] <pochu> coNP: fine, thanks. I was on holidays, so that's why I was idle...
[12:33] <coNP> Thanks pochu :)
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135248 in ubuntu "openoffice.org base de datos falla en la creacin de formularios" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135248
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135247 in unattended-upgrades (main) "PATCH: Don't blacklist packages that contain modified config files if dpkg is not going to prompt on them" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135247
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135249 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's to firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135249
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135250 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's to firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135250
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135251 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's to firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135251
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135252 in ubuntu "glxgears crushes X, even turn off pc, after that I have "kernel panic: attempting to kil init"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135252
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135253 in drivel (universe) "Drivel does not detect music playing in Rhythmbox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135253
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135254 in cdrkit (main) "[gutsy]  wodim hangs in endless loop when using SCSI device syntax" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135254
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135255 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "USB card reader not correctly initialized during boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135255
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135256 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird crashes when trying to view some emails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135256
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135258 in ubuntu "idea: pack manager plug's for open office" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135258
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135260 in ubuntu "Cannot download updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135260
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135261 in bookmarksftp (universe) "Gutsy: On "Upload", Firefox reports an "Unexpected Error" and discontinues upload." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135261
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135262 in update-manager (main) "Update notifyer doesn't inform automatically anymore" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135262
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #135263 in ubuntu "idea: table of replacements of Windows software in Linux in the pack manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135263
[01:48] <ubotu> New bug: #135264 in ant (main) "sync request" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135264
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135266 in ubuntu "speakers are not working properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135266
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135265 in ubuntu "Live CD Boot - X fails to load with ati video at 1680x1050" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135265
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135268 in gthumb (main) "gthumb 2.10.6 is available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135268
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135271 in ubuntu "cannot sudo in terminal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135271
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135272 in rdesktop (main) ""-r clipboard" option is not in the rdesktop man page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135272
[02:38] <asac> pochu: pong ... what was the bugid?
[02:38] <pochu> asac: bug 116687 :)
[02:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116687 in listen "[gutsy]  Listen crashes with segfault" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116687
[02:39] <asac> pochu: actuallyl i thought that this was already fixed ages ago ...
[02:39] <asac> when did we last chat about it? 3 month?
[02:40] <pochu> asac: I'd say one and a half :)
[02:42] <pochu> asac: I don't think it's fixed, try in a terminal LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py "$@"
[02:42] <pochu> That crashes, but this doesn't: MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/firefox LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox python -OO /usr/lib/listen/listen.py "$@"
[02:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135275 in mythbuntu-lirc-generator (universe) "Can't change capture cards/inputs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135275
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126404 in system-tools-backends (main) "system-tools-backends crashed with signal 5 in g_main_context_dispatch()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126404
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135276 in ubuntu "RaLink 802.11g not working on latest dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135276
[02:51] <pochu> asac: what do you think?
[02:51] <asac> pochu: do we set LD_LIBRARY_PATH as well for listen? or is FIVE_HOME enough?
[02:51] <asac> (i will sponsor it ... just am curious because of something else)
[02:52] <zul_> #8791
[02:53] <pochu> asac: upstream is setting both in TRUNK
[02:53] <asac> and we?
[02:53] <asac> now that it works?
[02:53] <pochu> Haven't tried just with FIVE_HOME, gimme a minute :)
[02:53] <pochu> asac: both
[02:53] <asac> ok
[02:53] <asac> thanks
[02:55] <asac> pochu: uploaded
[02:59] <Wousser> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy and i have some problems with the themes-manager and dbus, should i report these problems or not because i want to do a fresh install now and i cant do anything about the bugs than..
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Wousser: i'd suggest checking fi htey're already filed.
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135277 in mythbuntu-lirc-generator (universe) "repeat/delay not handled for lircrc" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135277
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135278 in enigmail-locales (universe) "enigma-locale-XX README.Debian files refer to "IceDove"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135278
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135279 in rt2x00 (universe) "F5D7050 (2571wf chip) does NOT work in Gutsy Gibbon Tribe 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135279
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #135280 in ubuntu "idea: one look and feel for all applications" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135280
[03:33] <dinya_> hi all. i wanted to build apt-proxy of ubuntu in our local net. recently i made good upgrade and wanted to copy apt archive in apt-proxy cache by 'apt-proxy-import -r path_to_apt_archive'. but it said fot each package '... no suitable backend found'. what's up? can you help me. apt-proxy-1.9.35ubuntu2
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135283 in k3b (main) "image doesnt burn" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135283
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135284 in ubuntu "Unknown maximum list size in kickstart's ks.cfg %packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135284
[04:00] <jkraid> hi, i would like to submit a bug report but i am not sure what package is generating it (mdadm, kernel, device-mapper, or combination there-of. the ubuntu website pointed me here)
[04:01] <pedro_> jkraid: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage might help you
[04:02] <ubotu> New bug: #135287 in evolution (main) "show far too many spelling suggestions in context menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135287
[04:02] <ubotu> New bug: #135288 in ubuntu "french accentuated characters not recognized" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135288
[04:03] <jkraid> pedro_: i have been using debian/ubuntu for a while and know how to find the actual package names for mdadm and the kernel, but am i allowed to enter 2 packages if i am unsure which package is causing the problem?
[04:04] <jkraid> that is the page that instructed me to come here if i was unsure of which package was causing the problem :)
[04:05] <pochu> asac: ty!
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135289 in ubuntu "rightclick - create dokument - empty file  doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135289
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #135291 in gnome-games (main) "GNOMEtris blocks the system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135291
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135293 in rhythmbox (main) "daap does not share covers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135293
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135295 in kmediafactory (multiverse) "Gutsy: please update KMediaFactory from 0.5.1 to 0.5.2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135295
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135294 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000065" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135294
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135296 in ubuntu "Weird stripe on display" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135296
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135299 in human-theme (main) "autopkgtest gutsy human-theme: erroneous package!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135299
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130236 in listen (universe) "Listen crashes while being closed (dup-of: 123870)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130236
[05:01] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: pong
[05:01] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: hmmm, now what exactly did i ping you for?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> hmmm, drat, i usually remember this kind of thing...
[05:02] <bdmurray> sure
[05:04] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: dammit.  it was important too.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> fudge.
[05:06] <bdmurray> Okay, well you know where to find me.
[05:06] <bdmurray> ;)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> i'll remember when you're asleep.
[05:07] <gnomefreak> debootstrap 1.0.3 wont make a sid chroot :(
[05:10] <bddebian> Boo
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135300 in openoffice.org (main) "Accessing File menu after starting OpenOffice locks up machine for approx 10 mins" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135300
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135301 in aria2 (universe) "[Gutsy]  aria 2 New upstream version available" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135301
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #135302 in amarok (main) "Can't display both file and directory on OSD" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135302
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i was good today, though.  i killed 30+ bugs.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> ohhhh!!!!
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: reping, now that i've remembered.
[05:13] <bddebian> w00t go Hobbsee :-)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:13] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: repong
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: were you planning to write some stuff on how to file good bugs?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> i dont recall any decent guides around at the moment, for ubuntu
[05:14] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: more and more, we're getting people filing stupid bugs (like dpkg returning error status 1), with no other info
[05:15] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: Yes, I've been thinking about that but I am unsure where to post it / advertise it.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> it would probably be helpful if we could get a warning in to the effect of "using this automated tool does not absolve you of all effort, you do need to include what happened, and relevant bits, so that people have a chance to reproduce it"
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: apport would do.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> for a start
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: set up a qa.ubuntu.com, and list a whole bunch of this there.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> add stgraber's testing site, or whatever.
[05:16] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: sure, I'll do that today.
[05:16] <bdmurray> ;)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: last i checked, mozilla did a quite nice job of that - including a qa blog.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: would be worht taking the good bits of
[05:17] <ubotu> New bug: #133467 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "crash (seg fault) on version <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133467
[05:17] <ubotu> New bug: #135303 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar applet (gutsy) plug-ins not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135303
[05:18] <gnomefreak> ummmmm <IP_ADDRESS> was pushed i thought
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135305 in lincity-ng (universe) "Version 1.1 Available for Update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135305
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135306 in gwget2 "gwget has no way to view wget log" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135306
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135307 in tracker (main) "there is no integration with gtk-openfiledialogs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135307
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135308 in opendchub (universe) "Error Upgrading opendchub in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135308
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #135309 in ubuntu "displayconfig-gtk shows only 4:3 resolutions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135309
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135310 in gnome-menus (main) ""System" -> "Help and support" entry's French translation should be enhanced" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135310
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135311 in yelp (main) "False color are printing with canon IP5000" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135311
[05:42] <zul_> bdmurray: ping
[05:43] <bdmurray> zul_: hello
[05:43] <zul_> about 109580 the visor one, it doesnt meet the requirements for 2.6.20 but we can probably add the ids to 2.6.22
[05:44] <bdmurray> do you mean 109508?
[05:44] <zul_> yep
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135313 in totem (main) "[wishlist]  DVB support for Totem with Gstreamer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135313
[05:46] <bdmurray> okay so I'll open a 2.6.22 task and assign it to the kernel team then?
[05:47] <zul_> bdmurray: please, you can assign to me, ill check to see if this is fixed in 2.6.22 as well
[05:48] <bdmurray> zul_: okay, sounds good
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130315 in scribes (universe) "scribes crashed with OverflowError in call_async()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130315
[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #135314 in gdm (main) "[gutsy]  Configure GDM login use circles/asteriks not working" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135314
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135315 in feisty-gdm-themes (main) "autopkgtest gutsy feisty-gdm-themes: erroneous package!" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135315
[06:05] <pedro_> anyone running gutsy?
[06:05] <pedro_> wow the punisher
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135318 in feisty-wallpapers (main) "autopkgtest gutsy feisty-wallpapers: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135318
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #135319 in usplash (main) "Usplash progress bar not centered on the monitor" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135319
[06:29] <sourcercito> pedro_, i'm running gutsy
[06:47] <ubotu> New bug: #135325 in firefox (main) "text jumps in firefox" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135325
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #135321 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer.py crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135321
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #135322 in lincity-ng (universe) "[UVFe] Please sync lincity-ng 1.1.0-2 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135322
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #135323 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org -errors with StarWriter documents" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135323
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #135324 in ubuntu "Gutsy: OpenOffice thumbnails transparent" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135324
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135327 in command-not-found (main) "command-not-found Crashing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135327
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135328 in meta-telepathy (universe) "telepathy-devel-gtk should depend on libmissioncontrol-client-dev instead of libmissioncontrol-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135328
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #132442 in decibel-audio-player "decibel-audio-player.py crashed with ValueError in onExplorerChanged()" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132442
[07:28] <ubotu> New bug: #135330 in meta-telepathy (universe) "package-has-a-duplicate-relation depends: libqttapioca-dev, libqttapioca-dev" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135330
[07:28] <ubotu> New bug: #135331 in acpi (main) "autopkgtest gutsy acpi: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135331
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135335 in manpages (main) "waitpid man page has issues" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135335
[07:37] <zul_> bdmurray: looks like you are on a rampage
[07:44] <bdmurray> zul: it is somewhat automated
[07:44] <bdmurray> but still kind of yeah
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135341 in totem (main) "stuttering mp3 playback on totem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135341
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #135342 in ubuntu "USB not working on HP Pavilion a1640n" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135342
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #134067 in linux-meta (main) "Depends: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-10-generic  but it is not installable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134067
[08:01] <edujose_> hi all
[08:02] <bdmurray> edujose_: hello
[08:02] <edujose_> bdmurray: hello
[08:03] <edujose_> bdmurray: I triaged  bug 77110 and seems to be resolved
[08:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77110 in deskbar-applet "does not use new theme background until relogin" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77110
[08:04] <edujose_> bdmurray: maybe you or someone else could give it a try
[08:04] <edujose_> bdmurray: er, I added a comment to bug 77110 explaining what seems to be solved
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77110 in deskbar-applet "does not use new theme background until relogin" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77110
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135343 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Mediainfo" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135343
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #135344 in torcs (universe) "TORCS crashes before race starts" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135344
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135346 in sound-juicer (main) "missing button" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135346
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135348 in gnome-panel (main) "Error 3 when trying to open a pdf file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135348
[08:58] <edujose_> bdmurray: about bug 77110...
[08:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77110 in deskbar-applet "does not use new theme background until relogin" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77110
[08:59] <bdmurray> edujose_: right, I've looked at it
[08:59] <bdmurray> or seen it rather
[08:59] <bdmurray> I'm a bit involved at the moment but will try and look at it later today
[09:00] <edujose_> bdmurray: ah, thanks
[09:00] <bdmurray> maybe pedro_ might know about it
[09:00] <pedro_> edujose_: may you comment upstream?
[09:00] <edujose_> pedro_: yes, sure
[09:00] <pedro_> edujose_: thanks a lot :-)
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135350 in ubuntu "gutsy - assistive technolgy requires user 'root' (dup-of: 134958)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135350
[09:01] <edujose_> pedro_: thanks, is enough putting a comment in bugzilla
[09:01] <edujose_> pedro_: about it seems resolver now?
[09:01] <edujose_> (resolver -> resolved)
[09:02] <pedro_> edujose_: yep
[09:02] <edujose_> pedro_: thanks, will do
[09:02] <pedro_> that would be great thanks for the help
[09:03] <edujose_> it's ok, i'll comment it upstream
[09:05] <pedro_> probably was fixed as a side effect of the new deskbar-applet , now it don't use the drop down list.
[09:05] <pedro_> in the applet i mean
[09:07] <edujose_> pedro_: yes, surely. Anyway, nice thing bugs get solved just giving them time :-)
[09:07] <pedro_> haha yeah that's nice indeed
[09:08] <edujose_> pedro_: now I'm creating an account in bugzilla to report on this
[09:09] <edujose_> pedro_: that's the hard part :-)
[09:09] <pedro_> great :-)
[09:09] <pedro_> ahaha
[09:09] <pedro_> edujose_: edu = eduardo?
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #135352 in ubuntu "ubuntu gutsy folder arrange items only by name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135352
[09:21] <edujose_> pedro_: (back from bugzilla)
[09:21] <edujose_> pedro_: yeah, eduardo
[09:22] <pedro_> edujose_: thanks for the comments :-)
[09:23] <pedro_> ajam so you speak spanish then ?
[09:23] <edujose_> pedro_: well yes
[09:23] <edujose_> pedro_: but don't say it too loud :-)
[09:24] <pedro_> edujose_: don't say that ! the espaol is beautiful :-)
[09:24] <edujose_> pedro_: yeah, it was a joke
[09:25] <pedro_> i know ;-)
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135355 in isdnutils (main) "error on installation of isdnutils" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135355
[09:25] <edujose_> pedro_: oh, new bug
[09:26] <edujose_> pedro_: do you speak spanish too?
[09:26] <pedro_> edujose_: claro que si
[09:26] <edujose_> ahh, me lo pareca por el nombre :-)
[09:27] <pedro_> edujose_: de donde eres?
[09:28] <edujose_> pedro_: yo de espaa, de la comunidad valenciana
[09:29] <pedro_> edujose_: ajam!, tengo una montonera de amigos en Espaa, la gran mayoria de la gente de GNOME Hispano es de ahi. Tambien mi hermana que vive en Madrid :-)
[09:30] <edujose_> pedro_: ah, estupendo! Yo aqu no conozco gente de GNOME, no saba que fueran de por estos pagos
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135356 in acpi (main) "Always 100% CPU usage" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135356
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #135357 in ubuntu "when hard drive is being accessed computer becomes very unresponsive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135357
[09:31] <pedro_> edujose_: en la red irc.gnome.org hay un canal #gnome-hispano, ahi los puedes encontrar :-)
[09:32] <edujose_> pedro_: ah mira, pues probar un rato de estos. Es que por aqu es difcil saber de GNOME y soft libre fuera de las cosas en ingls
[09:33] <edujose_> pedro_: bueno, y de dnde eres?
[09:33] <pedro_> edujose_: de Chile
[09:33] <pedro_> edujose_: un poco lejos de Espaa :-P
[09:34] <edujose_> pedro_: fiuu! bueno, no tan lejos, es slo cruzar el charco :-)
[09:35] <pedro_> edujose_: aha claro, son como 12 horas de viaje solamente :-P
[09:36] <edujose_> pedro_: qu fuerte, 12 horas!!  Por aqu me parece que tambin hay cosas, pero sobre todo en la capital
[09:40] <edujose_> pedro_: no llega mucho por la periferia, donde ando, snif.
[09:40] <pedro_> edujose_: si aca es casi lo mismo, la capital se lleva la mayoria de los eventos
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135358 in vmware-player (multiverse) "vmware-player uninstallable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135358
[09:41] <edujose_> pedro_: oye, se enfadarn aqu por estar de tertulia?
[09:43] <pedro_> edujose_: mejor no continuemos sino capaz que si :-P
[09:46] <edujose_> pedro_: bueno pues ya hablaremos otro rato a pierna suelta (cambio a ingls por si acaso)
[09:47] <edujose_> pedro_: ah, abour t a new bug I've just seem about Sound Juicer...
[09:47] <edujose_> pedro_: bug 135346
[09:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135346 in sound-juicer "missing button" [Low,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135346
[09:48] <edujose_> pedro_: it seems to me there is no missing button, tried Sound Juicer and seems ok
[09:48] <pedro_> yep is ok
[09:49] <pedro_> i was asking to the reporter how he installed it because of the "modified" words next to the packages names
[09:50] <edujose_> pedro_: ah it's true, don't know what does "modified" mean there
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135359 in mono (main) "mono crashed at boot" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135359
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135360 in kwave (universe) "[gutsy] Error while installing kwave" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135360
[09:51] <edujose_> pedro: anyway I just wrote a comment to this bug, with a screenshot of my Sound Juicer attached
[09:54] <edujose_> what puzzles me is that the reporter misses a button, but doesn't says it was there before
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135361 in mythtv (multiverse) "Upgrading mythtv to 0.20.2 SRU brings in a bunch of gnome packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135361
[09:57] <edujose_> pedro_: well, you were ahead of me in the comments :-)
[09:59] <sourcercito> como es la cosa, estamos hablando en ingles o en espaol?
[09:59] <sourcercito> :P
[10:00] <edujose_> sourcercito: hi sourcercito, well in english it seems, spanish was just for greetings et al :-)
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135362 in gnomebaker "genisoimage error "directories too deep" using Rock Ridge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135362
[10:02] <sourcercito> edujose_, no problem, solo queria meter la cuchara :D
[10:03] <edujose_> sourcercito: yeah, it was just that I found another paisano (now two it seems :-)
[10:05] <edujose_> anyway I don't want to make too much noise, as there are people working hard in this channel
[10:06] <edujose_> sorry for the inconveniences, folks
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #135364 in nautilus (main) "impossible d'ouvrir un disque prsent sur le bureau" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135364
[10:08] <edujose_> must go for dinner, see you all
[10:08] <sourcercito> see you
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135365 in amarok (main) "amarokapp/amarok doesn't start up as a normal user, but works when started as root using sudo" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135365
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #135366 in ubuntu "sound does not work on VAIO vgn-fj170" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135366
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135370 in ubiquity (main) "[gutsy tribe-5]  installer stops at 'creating a filesystem' because of mount.ntfs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135370
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135371 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  xawtv core dump" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135371
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135374 in ubuntu "404 on a few packages with apt-get upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135374
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135375 in aptitude (main) "aptitude: a2ps doesn't install required psnup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135375
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #135376 in ubuntu "after pause, screen remains black" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135376
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #135377 in ubuntu "PCI bus not found." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135377
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #135379 in language-pack-cs (main) "Kubuntu - vodn obrazovka po BIOSu a popis balk nvidia" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135379
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135380 in dosbox (universe) "Please update to latest version (0.72)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135380
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #135381 in gnome-control-center (main) "onboard still called sok in preferred apps list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135381
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135384 in gnome-panel (main) "Dashboard not extended" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135384
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #135382 in gnome-panel (main) "panel animations should be disabled if compiz is enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135382
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135373 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Missing "r" on string ("moe" => "more")" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135373
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135386 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "thunderbird <IP_ADDRESS> crashes in libgklayout.so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135386
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #135387 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "displayconfig-gtk crashed (core dumped) while trying dual head intel 945" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135387
[11:31] <rikai> Hello. I'm curious about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/103050
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103050 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "Xorg fails to start requesting libwfb when using nvidia-glx-new (dup-of: 98641)" [High,In progress]
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed]
[11:32] <rikai> Seems like the bug got fixed quite a while ago, and the patch got rejected and was never resubmitted? Seems like a bit of an important bug to me. :)
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135388 in firefox (main) "Firefox fails to display the Timidity GUI" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135388
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #135389 in at (main) "autopkgtest gutsy at: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135389
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #135390 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135390
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #135391 in mdadm (main) "mdadm + dm-raid: overrides previous devices due to good homehost" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135391
[12:05] <bdmurray> rikai: Thanks, I'll look into it
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #135393 in bind9 (main) "init.d-script uses control channel instead of signals" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135393


[13:01] <Zerock> Anyone understand what's going on here? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/30964715/autotools-build-fail-on-ubuntu
[13:30] <nik90> popey: can you link me to the weather app design doc pls..I seem to have lost the link
[13:32] <nik90> popey: nvr mind, I am an idiot..(just needed to look at my google drive)
[15:17] <rpadovani> mzanetti, still some issues with tablet mode: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/improve-viewer/+merge/262162
[15:18] <mzanetti> rpadovani, ack
[15:21] <rpadovani> mzanetti, did you push somewhere the code of the contenthub demo app you talked about during last meeting? :-)
[16:13] <mzanetti> rpadovani, ah, no didn't do that yet
[16:15] <mzanetti> rpadovani, I just dropped it here: lp:~mzanetti/+junk/contenthubtest
[16:17] <rpadovani> mzanetti, thanks, I'll take a look
[16:18] <mzanetti> rpadovani, I think I've fixed the push notification stuff now. will push in a bit
[16:18] <rpadovani> great!
[16:30] <mzanetti> rpadovani, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/fix-enable-push/+merge/262541
[16:59] <mzanetti> rpadovani, fixed the review issues
[17:00] <rpadovani> mzanetti, thanks, I'll take a look to both branch in a couple of hours
[19:58] <dubstar_04> nek90 is there anyway to close the bottom edge tabs with code? https://ubuntu-component-store.readthedocs.org/en/latest/_components/bottomedgetabs.html#properties
[19:59] <dubstar_04> nik90 ^^
[20:02] <nik90> dubstar_04: I haven't used that component before..check with the component author..if there is indeed such a property, we can get it added to the documentation.
[20:02] <dubstar_04> ok. thank you.
[20:05] <dubstar_04> nik90 which component is it that alarms uses?
[20:05] <nik90> dubstar_04: alarms uses PageWithBottomEdge
[20:06] <dubstar_04> https://ubuntu-component-store.readthedocs.org/en/latest/_components/pagewithbottomedge.html?
[20:06] <nik90> yes
[20:06] <dubstar_04> thats the one I am using. Sorry. so you know if this can be closed programatically?
[20:08] <nik90> dubstar_04: I guess you could technically call the pagestack pop() function to close it progamatically
[20:08] <nik90> that's would be the same as pressing the back button
[20:10] <dubstar_04> nik90 yep. works great!!


[08:07]  * cjwatson enables daily builds for raring
[08:12] <infinity> cjwatson: Did you get webops to make livefs chroots?  I may have missed that in the excitement of our unusual opening.
[08:37] <cjwatson> infinity: *cough* no
[08:37] <cjwatson> infinity: wanna check? :)
[08:38] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, so, that might not work. ;)
[08:38] <infinity> cjwatson: I need a webops who isn't about to go to bed, but I'll get it looked after.
[08:38] <infinity> Every six months, this really reminds me that livefs-in-soyuz has other knock-on benefits.
[08:39] <infinity> Like not proxying people to create chroots by hand...
[08:41] <stgraber> cjwatson: I guess you noticed the grub2 FTBFS?
[08:42] <infinity> Hahaha.
[08:42] <infinity> More gets().
[08:43] <infinity> Did no one get the memo 13 years ago?
[08:44] <infinity> (At least, I think it was first deprecated in C99...)
[08:47] <stgraber> infinity: marked obsolescent in 2008 and was removed from the spec in C11 according to the manpage
[08:48] <infinity> stgraber: That manpage skips the C99 reference.
[08:53] <infinity> stgraber: Oh, heh.  Nevermind.  C99 drafts happened much later than 1999. :P
[08:53] <infinity> Either way, the appearance of gets() in anything other than a CompSci project teaching people about buffer overflows is always a bug.
[09:30] <infinity> cjwatson: qapt is probably a much more interesting test-case for britney out-of-date migration issues, since it's also snagging a transition.
[09:31] <infinity> cjwatson: Likely a better end-to-end test-case anyway.
[09:44] <jbicha> I'm curious about ptlib getting stuck in the raring proposed transition too
[09:47] <infinity> jbicha: Same NBS issue, probably.  I'll look into it in a sec/
[09:49] <jbicha> yeah, it adds new libraries
[10:07] <cjwatson> stgraber: thanks, I'll fix that
[10:08] <cjwatson> infinity: it's not actually using gets directly - it's an obscure thing inside gnulib that's trying to use typeof on it to warn about its misuse
[10:08] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, the irony.
[10:09] <cjwatson> yeah.  fixed upstream a while back but it takes a while to filter down.
[10:40] <infinity> tumbleweed: Hrm, reverse-depends(1) doesn't do pockets?
[10:40] <tumbleweed> it probably merges pockets
[10:41] <infinity> tumbleweed: I'm going to go with no, it doesn't.
[10:41] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's about it
[10:41] <infinity> (And even if it did, the data would always be slightly incorrect, then, as I wouldn't know which version of packages it's looking at)
[10:41] <tumbleweed> I have been fairly tempted to rewrite it over the last day or two
[10:42] <infinity> But no, it doesn't merge.  If it did, it would find rdeps for libpt2.10.7
[10:42] <infinity> (Which is only in proposed)
[10:42] <tumbleweed> it currently regenerates the reverse-index from source a couple of times a day, but if it were iterative, it could try and follow publisher cycles
[10:43] <tumbleweed> yup, release pocket only. No merging
[10:44] <infinity> Check.  Please to add proposed/updates/security targets? :)
[10:44] <infinity> (And t-p-u, s-p-u, etc)
[10:44] <infinity> Not that I care as much about the latter ones, but someone might.
[10:44] <tumbleweed> it'll bloat the DB a lot, so I probably have to re-write it first
[11:20] <cjwatson> infinity: care to approve that grub2 binary for me when you have a minute?


[00:21] <nags> on which channel I can ask questions about launchpad ?
[00:22] <nags> found it
[00:22] <nags> #launchpad


[04:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:07] <ducasse> good morning
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:57] <JimBuntu> wb BluesKaj
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning JimBuntu
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 7,5 GiB Total (6,1 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 27,4 GB / 260,1 GB (232,7 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:5917 @ 8086:5914 • Uptime: 6h 58m 7s
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> my new toy BluesKaj ^
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nice lotuspsychje :-)
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yours was also i5?
[11:16] <BluesKaj> yes it is
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> cool
[11:17] <BluesKaj> plenty fast and capable to handle my needs
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> yeah same here, turbo
[14:01] <sonicwind> happy Sunday
[14:19] <BluesKaj> I hope so,,, so far so good :-)
[14:20] <blackflow> mmmmh Sunday sundae!
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> hey sonicwind
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> hey blackflow
[14:30] <blackflow> o/
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: waky waky mate its party in #ubuntu lol
[14:42]  * lotuspsychje makes a warm cuppa coffee ready
[16:03] <hggdh> #ubuntu has gone +r for now
[16:04] <BluesKaj> short term filter for long term gain
[16:04] <blackflow> hggdh: due to that LRH stuff?
[16:04] <hggdh> yes
[16:05] <blackflow> I've put that on ignore, didn't see if it was still going on, I guess it is.
[16:05] <blackflow> weird that the irc daemons in 2018 can't do global pattern matched filtering....
[16:06] <hggdh> pattern against what? You only know what is going to be displayed *when* it is displayed
[16:06] <BluesKaj> the nicks and IPs keep changing with those bot attacks
[16:07] <blackflow> BluesKaj: I've put the "LRH OFFICIAL" pattern on ignore
[16:07] <blackflow> and I'm surprised that freenode can't do the same, drop such messages before they're propagated to clients. the previous spam wave was also verbatim reposts of the same message over and over.
[16:08] <hggdh> again, this only works because your client monitors *your* channels. The message is, still, received
[16:08] <BluesKaj> they stopped the bots in ##linux chat., didn't ask what they did tho
[16:09] <blackflow> yes and my point is, how come Freenode can't do that when relaying the messages
[16:09] <blackflow> (note I said irc daemons, not clients)
[16:11] <hggdh> it stopped on ##linux because they set a quiet on all unregistered users
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: to scan every message prior to broadcast to the network would increase latency so high, no one would want to use this network
[16:12] <blackflow> I seriously doubt that.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> hggdh, don't think so
[16:13] <hggdh> (mode +q $-a: -- and this quiet is in place since March 2017, at least)
[16:13] <hggdh> BluesKaj: send a /mode +q there to see it
[16:16] <blackflow> pragmaticenigma: what Sigyn does is vastly more computationally intensive as she's correlating posts across different chans from same nicks/users in order to detect spamming and she does it just fine. Yes, I'm calling a bot She in respect to actual Sigyn.
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: but Sigyn also is setup as a client on the network, not on the hosting IRC servers. Therefore, Sigyn/Drone need to see the message prior to handling it.
[16:18] <hggdh> blackflow: again, Sigyn *reacts* to channel output. It does pre-censor
[16:18] <blackflow> yes, I know, I was just comparing the workloads. doing a simple strcmp while relaying, before the messages are sent out, wouldn't introduce significant latency, not on this network at least.
[16:19] <blackflow> well anyway, that's the only place to stop spam like this.
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> blackflow: that's assuming the spam campaign doesn't notice they're getting muted at the server level, ramp up their campaing to basically DDOS the network, but ultimately flooding out their messages
[16:21] <blackflow> assuming if they could do that, and then for some reason not doing that already.
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> cause at the moment their messages are getting through, and they actually want people to see them
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: nooby...whatver their name.. constantly thinks they're so smart finding bugs
[17:01] <sonicwind> dumb question... if you're looking at a thread on community.ubuntu.com, is there a way to see the most recent replies first? I don't see one.
[17:01] <sonicwind> I'm not signed in either, but I think you should be able to do that without needing to sign in.
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> often advanced features are hidden behind a login to avoid abose. forums do that to prevent bots and scanners from hammering those features accidentally.
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> s/abose/abuse/
[18:48] <EriC^> evening all
[20:17] <phill> Hey guys need a new laptop ideally want a touch screen, 15", core i5 8th gen,.ssd any suggestions?
[20:18] <phill> I'm in the uk
[20:18] <lotuspsychje> phill: alot of brands will work fine on that hardware
[20:18] <phill> Lo
[20:19] <phill> * lotuspsychje, yeah, but it's a lot of money just on a chace
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> phill: not sure how touch does work on 18.04 though didnt test myself
[20:22] <lotuspsychje> phill: i never liked the idea of touch & laptop combined
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> for touching, i use my gf
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> erm a tablet :p
[20:23] <phill> lotuspsychje: I had a hp on vista. Hand writing recognise i
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> phill: about the only tricky one about that spec is the touchscreen. touchscreen support in linux is spotty as the vendors don't have a standard they adhere to
[20:24] <phill> *recognition was good
[20:24] <lotuspsychje> phill: i would go for regular laptop, maybe put own ssd in like samsung 860
[20:25] <phill> pragmaticenigma: yeah, was hoping for some one to put a hand up and say I've got this
[20:25] <phill> lotuspsychje: was looking at entroea
[20:25] <phill> * entroware
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah not bad brand
[20:25] <phill> Please excuse my fat fingers on my phone
[20:25] <lotuspsychje> wich country do you live
[20:26] <phill> Uk
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> kk
[20:26] <lotuspsychje> anyway bed time here
[20:26] <phill> It's my only machine, so don't really want anything less that 15"
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> phill: those look like reputable machines
[20:28] <phill> pragmaticenigma: yeah, a slight premium, but for a 'native' Linux machine it's worth it.
[20:28] <phill> Don't end up lining M$ pockets then.
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> phill: sadly, there's still a chance you are... but that's a topic for another day
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> phill: what I did with my last machine was spec'd out the machine I wanted. Got the specs tuned exactly how I wanted... then found a Dell at a local computer store for nearly half the price. I ended up with the Dell... Imaged windows to a backup drive, wiped and installed Ubuntu.
[20:30] <pragmaticenigma> the dell had exactly the same parts, but half the cost. since it was the exact same parts manifest, I knew everything would work with Ubuntu
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> sometimes the MS tax is worth it, to get a much cheaper machine
[20:34] <phill> Having said that I need a windows VM for Dec work, so I guess it's swings a d roundabouts.
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> yes, if you need a windows VM, then you will have a valid liscense for it
[21:09] <daftykins> pretty sure licensing doesn't work that way
[21:14] <phill> Looking at the i5 https://www.entroware.com/store/aether is the £20 upgrade to mvne worth it?
[21:14] <phill> *nvme
[21:14] <daftykins> a PCI express SSD over a SATA one is worth it yes
[21:15] <daftykins> NVMe is the protocol layer atop a PCIe one
[21:19] <phill> daftykins: ta.
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Getting settled back in :) .. Back from the threat of thunderstorms .


[08:44] <holman> Yeah that would've been the way to go, but it was only a couple of lines and i decided i wanted to do it differently anyways so just rewrote it
[08:45] <holman> I had plenty of time on the flight anyways:P
[08:45] <holman> meena: zfs looks generally good, nice catch on the silly recursion bug
[08:46] <holman> I just need to exercise it a bit first, might ask for a follow-up review on an integration test
[08:54] <holman> falcojr's whale of a testing pr is looking pretty dapper too, just a couple of questions on that one