[00:11] <Daekdroom> alex_mayorga, lightdm is the new default
[00:12] <Daekdroom> Altho it's not working very well for now.
[00:12] <Daekdroom> It's not themed and I'm unable to log out and log back in.
[00:16] <alex_mayorga> Daekdroom: out of familiarity I went with gdm, but thanks!
[01:41] <Scribbled2x> wow hello - didn't know this channel existed
[01:42] <Scribbled2x> so I am building a liveCD using oneiric - and I bet this probably isn't going to be a surprise but I am running in a few snags - mostly OHS (operator head spacing) - but I was hoping someone would have a sources.list so that apt-get can find packages from the universe / multiverse?
[01:43] <Scribbled2x> Of course if I am completely out of line with such a question please feel free to let me know because it has been 10+ years since I done this before
[01:50]  * Scribbled2x is thinkin maybe this was a bad question?
[01:54] <Daekdroom> Scribbled2x, http://pastebin.com/xYn9sKL1 this?
[01:54] <rww> Scribbled2x: whether you should wait longer before using oneiric fits here too, actually :) and the answer is yes, alpha-quality is alpha ;P
[01:55] <Scribbled2x> rgr
[01:55] <Scribbled2x> understood
[01:56] <Scribbled2x> I havn't messed with Linux in a minute - but I cannot begin to say thanks for all of the effort people have put forth - because I did this in slackware when CDs were new and just like a Toyota - "Oh what a feeling"
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> E: Problem executing scripts DPkg::Post-Invoke 'if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi'
[02:03] <alex_mayorga> ideas?
[02:05] <Scribbled2x> Daekdroom - well I copied the pastebin and thanks - but I am curious if I have done something else wrong - the reason is that the packages listed in this URL: -- http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/allpackages?...
[02:05] <Scribbled2x>  are coming back even with the new sources.list as not found.  I am concerned about messing around with it too much because I do not want it to end up like my last attempt where everything was oneiric except what I did after the initial build of the live CD when I copied the sources.list over from my natty install.  << Yes this was a mistake.  Do you have any suggestions?
[02:13] <alex_mayorga> nevermind I just removed debsums for now
[02:13] <rww> Scribbled2x: are you doing "sudo apt-get update" after changing sources.list?
[02:14] <Scribbled2x> no - my mistake this is my first experience with apt-get I will try this and it probably (in retrospect) should work
[02:15] <Scribbled2x> thank you - aside from making me feel really retarded - it worked - which in the end is what I wanted
[02:15] <rww> don't feel bad, that ends up being the problem a *lot* :)
[02:15] <rww> (hence me asking ;)
[02:16] <Scribbled2x> kewl - thanks working like a champ - I am reading the documentation on this - with work and all time is limited, but I will stop bothering all of you soon.  Thanks again
[03:06] <Scribbled2x> Hmm, is there an alternative for sendmail?
[04:47] <Scribbled2x> I am almost ready to put this together - I am reading the Live CD Customization from Scratch guide and am attempting to do everything in oneiric.  Everything has gone really well once I updated the sources.list file and began installing the correct versions of software until I hit this snafu:   http://pastebin.com/Et0s8HA1 --- does anyone have any suggestions?
[04:52] <Scribbled2x> As retarded as this may sound I actually got this to work, needed to mount some directories -- sorry to bother you and please disregard previous text
[06:06] <Scribbled2x> ok - first - thanks to anyone who helped me get the live CD up and running  2nd: Thank You to everyone who works on this because compared to slackware +10 years ago this was too easy  3rd: If I had minor boot errors during the initial firing up of the ISO, is someone here interested in these?  would it be a waste of time to post these in pastebin?  or Image bin << whatever is used for that?
[06:41] <Scribbled2x> -switch
[06:41] <Scribbled2x> ack
[08:36] <wzssyqa> how to rebuild a packages ? it failed to build before, and now I believe it can success
[08:36] <wzssyqa> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ns3
[08:38] <jtaylor> apt-get build-dep package; apt-get source --compile package
[08:39] <jtaylor> or do you mean in the archive?
[08:39] <wzssyqa> jtaylor: y
[08:40] <jtaylor> why should it work now?
[08:41] <wzssyqa> jtaylor: It may caused by the ubuntu delta of doxygen, now the delta is cancled
[08:47] <jtaylor> ask in -motu for a rebuild
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:46] <wd4lko> why doesnt auto login work ?
[16:48] <charlie-tca> bug 806247
[16:49] <wd4lko> can lightdm be removed ?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too
[16:52] <wd4lko> connection reset, did i miss the answer ?
 I haven't tried that, but I would think so. You should be able to install gdm and switch between them, too
[16:54] <wd4lko> sorry to repeat, can lightdm be removed so auto login works ?
[16:55] <yofel> wd4lko: probably? try to install gdm, should work
[16:58] <wd4lko> yofel, that wont mess anything else up will it?
[16:58] <yofel> shouldn't, although I never tried that
[16:59] <charlie-tca> wd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them
[16:59] <wd4lko> i lost 3 test O.O's this week, trying to keep at least one working. haha
[17:00] <charlie-tca> might be easier if wd4lko could stay connected
[17:00] <charlie-tca> wd4lko: don't remove lightdm, just install gdm. It should allow you to switch between them
[17:02] <wd4lko> ok, i'll give it a shot, thanks, i just looked in synaptic, thought gdm was installed by default but guess not, here goes !!!
[17:52] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:26] <Pici> .topic
[18:26] <Pici> oops
[18:30] <vooze> Hey guys, trying to update on virtualbox: http://pastebin.com/Zva2vC7b - any ideas?
[18:36] <Pici> vooze: Odd. It looks like those packages were published into universe when they were previously published into main.  I'm not sure why, but that could be part of the problem of why the permissions were changed on these.
[18:36] <charlie-tca> vooze: mirror down temporary
[18:36] <Pici> oh?
[18:36] <charlie-tca> might be trying to update it while you are trying to update
[18:37] <charlie-tca> if they just moved the packages, the mirror may not have the updates yet, too
[18:37] <vooze> charlie-tca:  okay, how long does it usually take? ;)
[18:38] <charlie-tca> depends on the mirror itself.
[18:38] <IdleOne> 5 minutes to 3 days
[18:38] <Pici> !mirrorstatus
[18:38] <charlie-tca> most only update once or twice a day
[18:38] <charlie-tca> Pici probably knows more than I do
[18:38] <Pici> charlie-tca: Only in some cases ;)
[18:39] <charlie-tca> My experience is that normally clears up in a day or so
[18:40] <vooze> Cant i just switch to the "main" insted of DK?
[18:40] <charlie-tca> yes, as a temp fix, that also works
[18:42] <vooze> I
[18:42] <vooze> I'll try that, thanks ;)
[18:44] <vooze> that worked ;)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Then within a day or two, DK will have it too
[20:29] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:22]  * cwillu_at_work pokes at BUGabundo, for no particular reason
[21:23]  * BUGabundo tickels
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> today I learned that ocz is not to be trusted.
[21:23] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: you on Plus, buddy?
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> nope
[21:23] <BUGabundo> ahh that's not good
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> I haven't figured out if I've gotten an invite yet
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> I get lots of email from it though
[21:23] <cwillu_at_work> (mostly from you :p)
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I could say the same about ubuntu , but then I would be told to read /topic
[21:46] <yofel> can someone please put a warning in the topic for kubuntu? The KDE 4.7 packages will drop into the archive over the next few days - see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-July/005309.html
[21:47] <yofel> since there's some package shifting involved the deps are going to be broken for a while
[21:49] <tsimpson> yofel: ^ done
[21:50] <yofel> thanks!
[22:22] <BUGabundo> friends
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I keep running OOM
[22:22] <BUGabundo> need urgent advice on how to quickly make a swap on file
[22:22] <BUGabundo> and pray it works in 11.10
[22:23] <yofel> as long as you're not on btrfs swapfiles should work
[22:24] <yofel> dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/x bs=1048576 count=1024
[22:24] <yofel> will give you a 1GB file, run mkswap on it and swapon it
[22:24] <yofel> rename /tmp/x in whatever you want
[22:27] <BUGabundo> yofel: on ext4 since my last install
[22:29] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hammering the disk now
[22:29] <BUGabundo> this is driving me crazy... can't see anything that would be the root cause
[22:29] <BUGabundo> I just see apps dying for lack of ram
[22:30] <BUGabundo> chromium seems to be using WAY too much, but still 4GBs should suffice to run this minimaly
[22:31] <BUGabundo> mkswap: warning: truncating swap area to 2097144 KiB
[22:31] <BUGabundo> on a 4GBs file
[22:31] <BUGabundo> that's not expected :(
[22:32] <yofel> got that too, now running with 2 2GB files here, no idea where that comes from
[22:32] <BUGabundo> maybe a default
[22:32] <BUGabundo> maybe we need to pass a paramether to increase it ?
[22:32] <yofel> seem to have something todo with the kernel PAGE size, didn't dig around more
[22:35] <BUGabundo> well, system seems to be WAY more responsible now
[22:37] <BUGabundo> so I would say something is forcing the system to swap, but since I have now swap, it kills my system :(
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, what is getting killed by oom?
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, also, might make sense to look at the output of slabtop
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> (should be installed by default)
[22:40] <cwillu_at_work> or even just top, sorted by resident
[22:41] <cwillu_at_work> (slabtop shows kernel allocations, which top won't show)
[22:41] <BUGabundo> now looking at it
[22:41] <BUGabundo> didn't even knew it
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I always just run sudo atop 2
[22:41] <BUGabundo>  32775  32757  99%    0.17K   1425       23      5700K vm_area_struct
[22:42] <BUGabundo>  Active / Total Size (% used)       : 42852.25K / 46158.41K (92.8%)
[22:42] <BUGabundo> see why my system is down?
[22:42] <cwillu_at_work> that's 5mb, probably not the problem
[22:42] <BUGabundo> $ dmesg  | pastebinit
[22:42] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/639783/
[22:42] <cwillu_at_work> yeah, chromium is doing something stupid
[22:42] <BUGabundo> [ 6157.077579] Pid: 5079, comm: chromium-browse Tainted: P            3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu
[22:43] <cwillu_at_work> approximately how many tabs are you keeping open?
[22:43] <penguin42> admit it - you've got the entire internet loaded in chrome haven't you?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> 2 windows, 5 tabs total
[22:44] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, that doesn't sound likely, given that you have a couple dozen chromium processes :p
[22:44] <BUGabundo> two gmail, seesmic, google plus, etc
[22:44] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: chromium *always* does that
[22:44] <rww> probably five thousand extensions
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I can start fresh and show you how many times it forks just from that
[22:44] <cwillu_at_work> that said, running without swap isn't terribly useful if you can avoid it
[22:44] <BUGabundo> rww: close
[22:44] <BUGabundo> Extensions (27)
[22:45] <cwillu_at_work> also, which rc of 3.0 is that?
[22:45] <cwillu_at_work> if it's not rc5 or 6, you should upgrade and reproduce
[22:46] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: recovery
[22:47] <BUGabundo> can't do a regular boot
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> that's... not what I asked :p
[22:47] <BUGabundo> it used to jam after rcs
[22:47] <BUGabundo> now it's a bit better, boots, but no X
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> 3.0-3-generic #4 is based on which rc?
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> rc3?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 3.0-3-generic #4-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 1 08:21:12 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[22:47]  * cwillu_at_work sighs
[22:47] <cwillu_at_work> same question :p
[22:47] <yofel> rc5 I think
[22:48] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, I know that's the current, but I'm not convinced that's what he's running, unless you know otherwise
[22:48] <BUGabundo> linux:  Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>.4
[22:48] <BUGabundo> I booted what ever most recent kernel this thing installed
[22:48] <yofel> 3.0-3 was rebased to rc5, if that's what he's running
[22:48]  * cwillu_at_work shakes his fist at not including that in the version number :p
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I don't know more :(
[22:49] <cwillu_at_work> now, why aren't you allocating swap space when you install? :p
[22:50] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: SSD
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> I use swap on ssd
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[22:50]  * yofel too
[22:50] <cwillu_at_work> it's not going to kill anything, on any remotely half-decent ssd
[22:50] <yofel> I stopped worrying about the writes after it took me a year to use up 10% of my EeePCs SSD
[22:51] <BUGabundo> cwillu_at_work: mine is a 1st gen
[22:51] <yofel> and that's a 60GB one
[22:51] <Daekdroom> With 4Gigs RAM, I almost never use my SWAP
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ill add this swapfile to fstab
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and pray it boots
[22:51] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: tell that to THIS sucker
[22:51] <BUGabundo> Swap:      2097140     270836    1826304
[22:52] <BUGabundo> been having OOM for a week now
[22:52] <h00k> s/natty/oneric/ and then apt-get dist-upgrade, is that the recommended way et?
[22:52] <h00k> *yet?  I'm on openbox for the time being :)
[22:54] <cwillu_at_work> I may have to switch to kde, but it offends me so
[22:54] <rww> (on wheezy)
[22:54] <BUGabundo> if I can't run it on 4GBs of RAM without swap
[22:54] <cwillu_at_work> BUGabundo, ram has little to do with it
[22:54] <rww> cwillu_at_work: see /topic if you go for KDE ;)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> ahaahahaha
[22:55] <h00k> Daekdroom: I could, yeah
[22:55] <h00k> too late already started.
[22:55] <rww> not too late until it starts installing packages :P
[22:55] <cwillu_at_work> honestly, I haven't even upgraded mostly of my machines to 11.04 yet
[22:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Tsk slacker!
[22:56] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, I need to figure out how to maintain a decent work environment first
[22:56] <cwillu_at_work> enough things broke in legacy gnome that it's unusable for me
[22:56] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Yeh I understand - my main work machine is Lucid
[22:56] <h00k> rww: well, it is downloading them, anyway.
[22:56] <h00k> I want to be on oneric :)
[22:57] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Legacy mostly seems to work - one of my dads machines has a problem with a disappearing mouse pointer
[22:57] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, legacy "works" if you don't look very deep
[22:57] <cwillu_at_work> there's lots and lots of minor regressions
[22:59] <penguin42> nod
[23:00] <cwillu_at_work> don't get me wrong, I love unity on my laptop
[23:00] <cwillu_at_work> it's just not a practical workflow on a dual-monitor desktop
[23:01] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Yeh - the world is not just netbooks and tablets
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I can't stand it
[23:02] <BUGabundo> nor gnome 3
[23:02] <cwillu_at_work> granted that the netbook edition probably wouldn't have gotten sufficient attention otherwise, but I'm still disappointed about how it turned out
[23:02] <BUGabundo> back to classic
[23:02] <cwillu_at_work> yeah, gnome3 is a trainwreck
[23:02] <BUGabundo> I miss my bottom bar
[23:02] <BUGabundo> and the stupid notification bar
[23:02] <BUGabundo> over everything
[23:03] <BUGabundo> specially pidgin input box and the notificaion icons
[23:03] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[23:16] <ior3k> BUGabundo: have you tried unity 2d? I hate the gnome 3 panel, but I found that the unity 2d panel gives me pretty much what I was looking for
[23:16] <BUGabundo> that... that side panel....
[23:16] <ior3k> err, except there's no bottom bar
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it just doesn't work with me
[23:16] <ior3k> I just set it to autohide
[23:16] <ior3k> doesn't bother me much
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I need permantent access to open apps and desktops
[23:17] <BUGabundo> and in gnome 3, it groups apps
[23:17] <BUGabundo> who was the genious that tough it would be a good idea to only see ONE browser windows, while doing alt tab? and it requires MOUSE to change that
[23:17] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[23:18] <ior3k> BUGabundo: I know this doesn't solve your problem, but have you tried kupfer? It allows you to select windows by name, as well as desktops, etc
[23:19] <ior3k> just saying this because I guess gnome 2 isn't coming back :)
[23:19] <ior3k> that panel was nearly flawless for me
[23:19] <ior3k> *sigh*
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> ior3k, oh, it had its share of flaws :p
[23:20]  * cwillu_at_work carries a couple patches that upstream never took
[23:20] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: not for me, it really did everything I needed
[23:20] <cwillu_at_work> I just wish people weren't so keen on maintaining the same project names when redoing everything
[23:21] <cwillu_at_work> it makes it much harder than necessary to keep the old stuff around and working
[23:21] <ior3k> cwillu_at_work: agreed
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> python has done a good job of this sort of thing
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> re: maintaining the marketing benefits of the name, without gratuitously breaking things
[23:22] <ior3k> I guess they could just have called it gnome3-panel :)
[23:22] <cwillu_at_work> it's a shame arch screwed that up
[23:23]  * cwillu_at_work envisions a distro with gnome3, python3, linux3 :p
[23:24] <yofel> too many 3's, good that KDE3 is gone :P
[23:24] <penguin42> cwillu_at_work: Don't forget Linux 3
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, um
[23:24] <yofel> penguin42: ?
[23:24] <penguin42> oh yeh - you didn't!
[23:24] <cwillu_at_work> penguin42, I mean, wow.
[23:24]  * cwillu_at_work huggles penguin42
[23:24] <yofel> everyone is in  a version bump frenzy
[23:24]  * micahg wonders if we'll get an eglibc 3
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> oooo!  grub3!
[23:25] <penguin42> 4 is what you've really got to be careful of; v 4 of things never work
[23:25] <yofel> nah, only v4.0 things never work
[23:25] <cwillu_at_work> kde4, wordperfect 4, star wars 4
[23:27] <Daekdroom> Speaking of which, I hate the new linux and the new firefox development cycles.
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Too much version bumping D:
[23:28] <cwillu_at_work> Daekdroom, linux doesn't have a new development cycle
[23:28] <yofel> well, linux doesn't really have a new devel cycle
[23:28] <cwillu_at_work> hasn't in years.
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Let me rephrase.
[23:28] <yofel> linus is just unable to count
[23:28] <Daekdroom> The new version scheming :P
[23:31] <h00k> bug 807203
[23:31] <Daekdroom> It puzzles me that they didn't change the default GNOME icon theme.
[23:31] <Daekdroom> It looks so old.
[23:32] <yofel> use the new oxygen folder icons, they look gnome-ish :P
[23:37] <h00k> I now have 8 report-bug tabs open
[23:43] <h00k>  I don't see "Appearance", is this on purpose?
[23:43] <h00k> Like, to change my theme, for instance?
[23:50] <Daekdroom> h00k, gnome-appearance-properties isn't included in GNOME 3 anymore, and therefore, on Ubuntu
[23:50] <Daekdroom> It's replaced by gnome-tweak-tool, which depends on Gnome-shell.. so..
[23:50] <h00k> Daekdroom: gotcha.
[23:51] <h00k> Yeah, my Sandy Bridge looks oogly
[23:51] <h00k> maybe I should reset all my gnome settings
[23:52] <h00k> my unity lenses :(
[23:54] <h00k> oh hey, I thnk dbus is broken here
[23:57] <h00k> okay, purged ubuntuone-client entirely.
[23:57] <h00k> fixed a lot of things


[00:08] <micahg> flexiondotorg: he's off today, but to answer your question, yes, the idea is that the upload will close the bug that's tracking the upload
[04:47] <tjaalton> infinity: ping lts-vivid
[08:00] <infinity> tjaalton: Working on it today.  First day back from VAC.
[08:01] <tjaalton> infinity: ah ok, nice
[14:28] <tedg> infinity, Did you figure out where that lib comes from? No one I pinged on the Mir side got back to me, but I can try some more.
[14:42] <RAOF> tedg, infinity: Those “libraries” are sourceless; they're empty.
[14:45] <RAOF> tedg, infinity: Their job is to be the minimum possible valid ELF libraries for various architectures, so we can test that our loader paths (a) report appropriate errors, and (b) will actually load a library.
[14:45] <tedg> RAOF, Then are they built by hand? How do you get that?
[14:53] <RAOF> tedg: Yeah, they were built by hand. The reason for this is that they're test data, and we *want* to try to load libarm64.so on i386.
[14:53] <RAOF> I... actually forget how we built them :)
[14:54] <RAOF> The shared library prober tests actually have a list of expected architectures.
[14:54] <tedg> RAOF, So infinity's issue is that he wants to build one for PPC
[14:54] <RAOF> Yeah.
[14:56] <RAOF> tedg: “touch foo.cpp; gcc -o foo.so -shared foo.cpp” is the way to generate them.
[14:57] <tedg> RAOF, Probably should be a shell script, eh?
[14:57] <RAOF> Possibly.
[14:57] <RAOF> It can't be run during Mir build, though, because we won't have all of {i386, x86_64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64, ppc64el} compilers :)
[14:58] <tedg> Sure, but if we add arm128 we'll need someone to remember how to do it :-)
[14:58] <tedg> At least a README
[14:59] <RAOF> Also, the shared library tests need to do something a bit more interesting, because we encode a list of architectures we expect in there.
[14:59] <RAOF> Please file a Mir bug about that :)
[15:00] <tedg> RAOF, So I think that infinity is probably working towards an MR with the PPC lib in it, what would be preferred as a MR reviewer?
[15:35] <arges> bdmurray: hi
[15:37] <bdmurray> arges: howdy
[15:38] <arges> bdmurray: hey jamespage was wondering about releasing bug 1443429, i can handle it, but i know today is your day
[15:39] <arges> looking at it, just looks like cinder needs releasing
[15:42] <bdmurray> arges: feel free to do it
[15:44] <arges> bdmurray: ok
[16:27] <RAOF> tedg: He'll need to also adjust the tests, but that'd be fine.
[16:37] <RAOF> infinity, tedg: https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/document-our-random-test-binary-data/+merge/259798
[16:37] <RAOF> Documents how those binaries have arrived.
[16:38] <tedg> RAOF, Awesome, thanks!
[19:41] <infinity> RAOF: I already fixed everything around it, just needed to know how to generate the .so itself.  Thanks.
[20:20] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: Hi, are you on SRU duty today?
[20:21] <bdmurray> ChrisTownsend: yes, I am
[20:21] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: Great, would you have time to review the Unity SRU in unapproved?
[20:21] <bdmurray> ChrisTownsend: for which release?
[20:22] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: Trusty
[20:22] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: I added the debdiff to each bug targetted.
[20:23] <bdmurray> ChrisTownsend: I'll look at in a bit I have a call soon
[20:23] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: Thank you very much!
[20:23] <ChrisTownsend> bdmurray: debdiff is linked at the end of SRU header section in the description.


[07:42] <dave> Hi guys
[07:43] <dave> I do have a percona cluster running well (3 members), I do need though to change the innodb_buffer_pool_size, my problem is that to do o via juju config , it does shutdown the whole cluster. Which I would like to avoid.
[07:44] <dave> I can change the value in the .cnf file and restart each node (will be fine), except that juju might re-apply the value set in the charm config.
[07:44] <dave> I would say that if I could change that value without triggering any action would be great.
[07:45] <dave> Is there a way to get into the mongodb maybe to change that value?


[03:16] <blazeme8> Hail upstart. systemd sucks.
[03:16] <AnrDaemon> Can you argument your last statement?
[03:18] <blazeme8> AnrDaemon: the point of linux is customization, using lots of small swappable bits that work together. systemd is a bad idea because it is a monolith.
[03:18] <AnrDaemon> That's not the "point", that was the philosophy thus far.
[03:19] <AnrDaemon> But for distribution maintainers, it's easier to deal with one program, rather than many.
[03:19] <blazeme8> semantics
[03:19] <AnrDaemon> My only two gripes with systemd is logging and syntax.
[03:19] <blazeme8> and they should do what works best for users, not what works best for "upper management"
[03:20] <AnrDaemon> I can't reanimate or investigate a dead system with systemd without another system with systemd.
[03:20] <blazeme8> why is that?
[03:20] <AnrDaemon> And syntax for tasks is just… Least user-friendly.
[03:20] <AnrDaemon> Binary logs.
[03:20] <blazeme8> Ah yes the logs drive me crazy hah
[03:21] <blazeme8> text logs are for humans, lets put them in a binary format lol


[07:24] <didrocks> good morning
[07:46] <duflu> Hi didrocks
[07:49] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:45] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:45] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[08:58] <willcooke> good morning
[09:01] <didrocks> hello willcooke!
[09:03] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[09:06] <willcooke> hihi
[09:09] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN and didrocks
[09:09] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[09:09] <duflu> erm
[09:09] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN and willcooke
[09:10] <oSoMoN> didrocks is the new willcooke :)
[09:10] <didrocks> rehi duflu :p
[09:11] <willcooke> bad luck didrocks
[09:12]  * didrocks feels cursed now :p
[09:56] <willcooke> Is it just me, or does anyone else find themselves limited by the file browser now?
[09:56] <willcooke> Specific use case, when I'm looking for ISOs to write to USB I do a file -> open
[09:57] <willcooke> then I find a load of old crap and I can't delete files from the file open dialog
[09:57] <willcooke> Sure, that's not what it's for, but it used to work I think
[09:57] <willcooke> and IMO it should allow you to do it
[09:58] <didrocks> I'm unsure if that was changed on purpose or not TBH, worth a discussion with GNOME design team
[10:12] <k_alam> willcooke: Hi, nautilus does seem limited..you can't copy/paste files into terminal anymore...it also broke copy/paste files from nemo-desktop
[10:12] <willcooke> k_alam, interesting. thx
[10:13] <willcooke> I will open a bug upstream and see what they say.  I'll paste a link here
[10:13] <willcooke> Is the file chooser nautilus in a special mode, or is it a gnome shell component?
[10:13] <willcooke> In GNOME that is
[10:18] <didrocks> willcooke: file chooser is a Gtk component
[10:18] <k_alam> willcooke: yes file chooser is the same gtk filechooser...and the bug is this https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues/634
[10:20] <k_alam> for now I need to fix that in u-s-d clipboard manager or somewhere
[10:23] <oSoMoN> ricotz, hey, would you mind pushing your changes to the firefox-beta.* branches?
[10:24] <joedborg> morning all, i've been doing some 19.04 testing on my XPS13 9370, after an update yesterday I'm having issues with suspend and resume (gmome shell crashes upon resume) which project should I log this under in LP?
[10:26] <willcooke> hi joedborg, thanks for testing.  Stick it under GNOME Shell for now, and we can move it if needed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+filebug
[10:26] <joedborg> cheers willcooke
[10:39] <jbicha> not being able to delete files (or create new folders, etc.) in the gtk open file dialog is a very old issue
[10:39] <jbicha> supposedly, it's because it's a file chooser not a file manager ☹
[10:55] <ricotz> oSoMoN, done
[10:55] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[10:56] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I'm updating unity-menubar.patch
[11:04] <willcooke> Does anyone know how to make the community wallpapers packages?
[11:04] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1821900
[11:04] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1821900 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.04 Community Wallpapers" [Undecided,New]
[11:08] <didrocks> willcooke: did that in the past, but probably not as well as Laney. And I prefer focusing finishing up testing Xorg scaling before getting off for the EOW
[11:08] <willcooke> didrocks, np at all
[11:15] <oSoMoN> willcooke, I've never done it but by the looks of https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu/revision/262 it's not too complicated, I can probably do it if it's needed before Laney is back
[11:15] <willcooke> oSoMoN, If would wouldn;t mind looking that would be good, but dont stress
[11:16] <oSoMoN> willcooke, ok, I'll give it a go in the afternoon
[11:21] <willcooke> the biggest issue looks like the xml for the rotating wallpaers
[11:21] <willcooke> looks like it would be pain to edit manually
[11:21] <willcooke> but do able
[11:32] <oSoMoN> there's a script for it: scripts/update-background.py
[11:37] <oSoMoN> note that I will need sponsorship, can't upload ubuntu-wallpapers myself
[11:48] <oSoMoN> willcooke, do you have a zip file handy with the final selection of wallpapers at the right resolution, or do I need to extract them from the original thread on the hub?
[11:48] <willcooke> oSoMoN, attached to the bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-wallpapers/+bug/1821900/+attachment/5249731/+files/FCS_wallpapers_1904.tar.xz
[11:48] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1821900 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 19.04 Community Wallpapers" [Undecided,New]
[11:48] <oSoMoN> ah, perfect
[11:48] <willcooke> all cropped, scaled and renamed for you
[11:48] <willcooke> :)
[12:06] <willcooke> jibel, do you have a touchscreen machine with disco on?  Is touch all messed up for you with a second screen attached?
[12:06] <willcooke> Seems like the touch is offset to the right by about 50%
[12:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^
[12:40] <jibel> willcooke, I've a TS machine but not with disco. I can reinstall one if you want
[12:40] <willcooke> jibel, live session shows the same thing for me, would be interested to know if you can confirm
[12:40] <jibel> okay, 'im installing disco and will let you know
[12:41] <jibel> s/installing/dd'ing to a usb stick
[13:00] <bcurtiswx> bug #1821019 can others confirm that when gnome-terminal launches it doesn't gain focus.. and i would be happy to upstream it if we don't think it's an Ubuntu only bug
[13:00] <ubot5`> bug 1821019 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "gnome-terminal does not gain focus upon launch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821019
[13:25] <willcooke> bcurtiswx, confirmed.  Works with ctrl-alt-t but using the icon doesn't focus the window
[13:25] <willcooke> bcurtiswx, I will propose that for a rls bug and we can take a look
[13:25] <bcurtiswx> OK willcooke, thanks
[13:33] <jibel> Is it the same problem than windows openin in the background? This is really annoying
[13:35] <willcooke> jibel, oh could be
[13:35] <willcooke> lemme test
[13:35] <willcooke> no, different
[13:36] <willcooke> I opened a Firefox window, and then opened a terminal via dock.  Window on top, but focus elsewhere
[13:52] <Trevinho> willcooke: same happens to me on display settings too, when opening from the extension iirc
[13:52] <Trevinho> from the wallpaper extension
[13:54] <willcooke> Trevinho, what's that? No focus?
[13:54] <Trevinho> yeah, sorry... no focus
[13:59] <didrocks> Trevinho: copy in progress! I'll merge the branches afterwards
[14:04] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[14:04] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[14:04] <Trevinho> didrocks: cool, thanks
[14:06] <didrocks> both in UNAPPROVED now, you can harass or wait for the release team to review :)
[14:07] <didrocks> Trevinho: I'll let you handle Xorg with tjaalton?
[14:07] <Trevinho> didrocks: yeah, as said xorg isn't "critical", while he knows the bit to get in
[14:08] <didrocks> yep ;)
[14:09] <jibel> willcooke, so I tested TS with an external monitor attached. What do you mean by "touch is all messed up"?
[14:10] <willcooke> when I touch on the background on the laptop itself the rubber band selector actually appears on the external screen
[14:10] <jibel> willcooke, what happens for me is that position of the pointer of the screen is not where my finger is
[14:10] <willcooke> yes
[14:10] <willcooke> is it offset to the right by about half a screen?
[14:11] <jibel> like the position on the touch screen is relative to the size of the 2 screens
[14:11] <jibel> yes
[14:11] <willcooke> oki cool
[14:11] <willcooke> I will log a new bug
[14:11] <willcooke> it is unrelated to Trevinho's changes afaict, since the live session doesnt have any of that code in
[14:12]  * Trevinho half-celebrates xD
[14:12] <willcooke> :))
[14:14] <jibel> maybe it's an old trevinho change ;)
[14:14] <Trevinho> lol
[14:15] <Trevinho> willcooke: since I'm there on pkg-lands... Want me to push a g-s with the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1818790 ?
[14:16] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1818790 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu Disco) "[regression] Desktop zoom is missing the mouse pointer" [High,In progress]
[14:16] <Trevinho> as I've tried to ask upstream about new reviews but still waiting for that
[14:17] <Trevinho> while the fix is obvious (was using wrong js call signature)
[14:19] <willcooke> Trevinho, yes please.  It was a rls bug which got accepted (by the looks of it) so makes sense
[14:21] <Trevinho> good
[14:21] <Trevinho> didrocks: I  might steal some of your publishing time then :P
[14:21] <didrocks> Trevinho: remember that I'm then off for the end of week :)
[14:21] <Trevinho> didrocks: yes, that's why...
[14:21] <didrocks> wondering if we shouldn't just merge it to gnome-shell master branch and wait for more fixes?
[14:22] <didrocks> with beta freeze, it won't enter before Monday anyway
[14:22] <didrocks> (happy to review/merge though)
[14:23] <didrocks> agreed that the fix is looking trivial
[14:23] <Trevinho> didrocks: mh, well yes... could be an idea
[14:23] <Trevinho> didrocks: however... I should pass from debian for that maybe
[14:23] <Trevinho> and... Well you know...
[14:23] <Trevinho> takes more time
[14:23] <didrocks> Trevinho: as you wish, I would just do, if I were you, a MP against our ubuntu branch as a distro patch
[14:23] <didrocks> I review/merge it
[14:23] <didrocks> and next upload will have it
[14:24] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok, so git update then :P
[14:24] <didrocks> Trevinho: sorry, was maybe not clear, yeah, just a git MP :)
[14:25] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah ok... But you meant with all the new upstream commits too or what?
[14:25] <Trevinho> didrocks: cause ideally I wanted to include just a couple, but as you said I can jus tsync with master cherry-picking them all
[14:32] <didrocks> Trevinho: I would just do the patch separately
[14:32] <didrocks> Trevinho: and maybe next week, we can evaluate syncing master or .1
[14:32] <didrocks> if .1 happens ;)
[14:43] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah, ok... as you proposed it earlier so...
[14:43] <Trevinho> I got excited about it xD
[14:43] <Trevinho> but ok, going simple
[14:47] <didrocks> I didn't really propose that, sorry, we probably didn't understand each other correctly ;)
[14:58] <Trevinho> didrocks: ah you meant merge with upstream master, not ubuntu/master :P
[14:59] <didrocks> nope, take your patch and get it in ubuntu/master
[15:00] <Trevinho> yeah, I mean before you said "wondering if we shouldn't just merge it to gnome-shell master branch and wait for more fixes?"
[15:11] <didrocks> ah, the gnome-shell master was the ubuntu branch, sorry, was confusing, you're right :)
[15:48] <Trevinho> np
[15:48] <Trevinho> willcooke: as per that thing on the half-maximize thing on multi-monitor
[15:49] <Trevinho> can you try if that is broken to you after an "alt+f2" -> r -> enter?
[15:56] <willcooke> Trevinho, yay, that fixed it
[15:56] <Trevinho> didrocks: it's at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+git/gnome-shell/+merge/365180
[15:56] <Trevinho> willcooke: ok, that's the reason why I also took some more time to prepare the branch above ^ :)
[15:56] <willcooke> :)
[15:57] <Trevinho> cause also zoom is broken by that.. So basically it's a missing update of the stage size...
[15:57] <Trevinho> we compute it well in some cases, not in all :)
[15:57] <Trevinho> probably something that was here alredy though
[15:57] <Trevinho> and not sure if it's all related to the branhc, since I already saw it
[16:00] <Trevinho> yes, not x11 related indeed wayland is buggy as well... /me looks into fixing it :)
[16:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: thanks
[16:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: so want me to preare a landing anyways or we wait? as I've the feeling we'd forget otherwise xD
[16:41] <Trevinho> s/we/I
[16:43] <didrocks> Trevinho: let's wait, we have still more time until release and I think we'll have more patches to land
[16:43] <didrocks> and right now, nothing will enter until beta is out, so hum…
[16:43] <Trevinho> k
[17:58] <willcooke> night all


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[09:29] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.3-4-ge4f2a1f * Carlo Vanini: src/backend.cpp
[09:29] <pursuivant> Do not check status file for timestamp
[09:29] <pursuivant> Summary:
[09:29] <pursuivant> Update-apt-xapian-index is organised in plugins, each representing a
[09:29] <pursuivant> data source for the index. Each of them reports a timestamp of the
[09:29] <pursuivant> https://commits.kde.org/libqapt/e4f2a1f79741c930802acab7150fa6b96240bed6
[09:46] <gpunk> hi since this morning update, plasmashell is running at 80% cpu
[09:46] <gpunk> intel video driver seems not loading, so the graphical interface is very slow
[09:47] <gpunk> now i have also update-apt-xapi at 95% cpu
[09:49] <gpunk> [  1349.670] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[10:03] <gpunk> hello : 52.508] (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering
[10:05] <gpunk> my desktop is very slow
[10:05] <gpunk> since this morning update
[10:08] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.7.0-6-g7f2d6c64 * Carlo Vanini: src/StatusWidget.cpp
[10:08] <pursuivant> Show xapian update progress when it changes
[10:08] <pursuivant> Summary:
[10:08] <pursuivant> Sometimes update-axi is slow to start, and in the time between
[10:08] <pursuivant> `xapianUpdateStarted` is emitted and the first `xapianUpdateProgress`
[10:08] <pursuivant> https://commits.kde.org/muon/7f2d6c64c945834977bddccc9a1fee37f52d17ee
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[10:32] <gpunk> i fixed the issue by uninstalling libglvnd0
[10:33] <gpunk> but kinfocenter has to go too, (dependency)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:16] <gpunk> hi
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[11:42] <acheronuk_> yofel: 11:39:40 [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'S.gpg-agent.browser'
[11:42] <acheronuk_> 11:39:40 Error on retry_it(unknown) :: Failed to add
[11:42] <acheronuk_> on docker container trying to add a ppa
[11:43] <yofel> o.O
[11:43] <acheronuk_> I just had the same error trying to add a ppa for a autopkgtest lcd container
[11:43] <acheronuk_> *lxd
[11:44] <yofel> hm, did they change something in openpgp? IIRC v2 generally forced an agent, so curious why this happens now
[11:48] <acheronuk_> yofel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg2/2.2.4-1ubuntu1
[11:49] <yofel> urgh
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[12:04] <yofel> uh huh
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[12:06] <yofel> 12:04:39 fatal: could not read Username for 'https://git.launchpad.net': No such device or address
[12:06] <yofel> hm, right, I never did fix the repository access in the containers
[12:31] <acheronuk_> add-apt-repository still seems to work on a full system
[12:34] <yofel> it worked again in the next CI run, which seems rather strange
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[21:38] <valorie> just had a user in -offtopic who said: IrcsomeBot> <Mokmeister> Hi All, just updating my laptop, running kubuntu 18.04 at mo, all good, was using discover to update when I noticed a message pop saying something like "calligra backend incorrect, contact your distribution" I'm assuming that's just pre release quirks, but does any one know where those messages come from or go to? It was only on the screen for a minute. Surely it would
[21:39] <valorie> be more useful it stayed on screen?
[21:39] <valorie> I think i've seen others refer to this "calligra backend incorrect, contact your distribution"
[21:39] <valorie> anybody know what that might be about?
 this is apparently our fault
 let me go ask the lead Discover developer...
[21:39] <valorie> nate: "our"?
[21:39] <valorie> oh, Discover
 Kubuntu's
[21:40] <valorie> k
 Aleix once told me that these messages happen because on Ubuntu-based distros, files in /etc don't get removed or something like that, can't quite remember
[21:40] <valorie> the second issue of the warnings disappearing sounds like a Discover issue
 (I'll go ask him)
 that's already been improved in git master for Discover
 but the underlying issue is that our toolkit (Kirigami) has no APi to easily display a persistent message, only a transient one. It's being implemented right now, I believe
 (Personally I think these should be console warnings, and not displayed in the GUI, but that's something I'm still working on convincing Aleix about)
 See also https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388086
 ok, here is what I've been told: … "interim, what a distro could do is make sure there's no /etc/xdg/*knsrc that doesn't come from the packaging"
 basically we have to make sure that old /etc/xdg/*knsrc files are removed when their install paths change
[21:58] <valorie> hmmm, should there be a phab for that, a BR, or what?