 Problem is that those people who would actually not get corrupted by power never have a chance to get any power.
[00:08] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: mind a pm?
[00:09] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: Say fancy
[00:09] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:09] <bkerensa> Fancy a PM?
[00:09] <bkerensa> :D
[00:09] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: go for it
[00:09] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[00:14] <bkerensa> mhall119: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extremely-Rare-McJordan-Barbeque-Sauce-from-McDonalds-/300743935150?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4605bc44ae&afsrc=1
[00:14] <mhall119> McJordan sauce? Wtf?
[00:15] <JoseeAntonioR> it's just water
[00:15] <JoseeAntonioR> dirty water
[00:15] <bkerensa> lol
[00:15] <bkerensa> mhall119: ikr
[00:15] <bkerensa> crazy
[00:15] <bkerensa> the price is even worse
[00:16] <mhall119> who wouldn't want a jug of aged BBQ sauce
[00:16] <mhall119> it pairs well with some Kraft singles
[00:16] <bkerensa> mhall119: It is a good bargain because it comes with free economy shipping
[00:16] <bkerensa> :D
[00:17] <JoseeAntonioR> unless you're in Peru, then you get charged 50.25
[00:22] <bkerensa> thats still a good deal
[00:22] <bkerensa> where else in Peru can you get Michael Jordan BBQ Sauce
[00:22] <bkerensa> :D
[00:22] <JoseeAntonioR> ;)
[04:04] <bkerensa> mhall119: do you know what were supposed to do about Loco Portal errors?
[04:04] <bkerensa> I have had a number of people who cannot RSVP for our release party
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:52] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:53] <dpm> hey dholbach
[08:00] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: I am now
[08:13] <dholbach> czajkowski, hope you get better soon again!
[08:17] <czajkowski> dholbach: me too pesky chest infection is irritating
[08:18] <czajkowski> dholbach: at least i'm in .ie which means oodles of tea and brown bread :D
[08:19] <dholbach> and hot whiskey
[08:19] <dholbach> I know
[08:19] <dholbach> :-P
[08:20] <czajkowski> *grin* yes I had a lovely hot whiskey last night with lemon and some cloves in it
[08:20] <czajkowski> so nice
[10:11] <dholbach> HOLY PATATAS BRAVAS - Spanish translations of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide are up to 79%: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/
[10:11] <dholbach> dpm, ^
[10:12] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:17] <czajkowski> brilliant
[10:18] <dholbach> it's really not easy to translate and they did it like in no time
[10:26] <IdleOne> where do we send emails if http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ is down?
[10:29] <czajkowski> IdleOne: ask in #canonical-sysadmin
[10:30] <IdleOne> thank you
[10:30] <czajkowski> np
[10:40] <AlanBell> IdleOne: interesting question, that has been down for ages and ages and I am not sure it has anything to do with Canonical
[10:41] <czajkowski> IdleOne: ahh mis read that entirely just saw lots
[10:41] <czajkowski> *logs
[10:41] <czajkowski> so that has been down and has diddly to do with canonical
[10:41] <czajkowski> some membes of the french loco used to be involved in more
[10:41] <IdleOne> interesting indeed
[10:41] <IdleOne> So, what do loco's do about logs?
[10:42] <czajkowski> IdleOne: no locos I know of use that url any more
[10:42] <IdleOne> or are they all logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[10:42] <czajkowski> IdleOne: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[10:42] <IdleOne> apparently .it does
[10:42] <AlanBell> IdleOne: the new logs are all on irclogs.ubuntu.com
[10:42] <czajkowski> all logs are there
[10:43] <AlanBell> it is just the history from > 2years ago that has gone
[10:43] <IdleOne> Safe to say they are out of luck?
[10:43] <czajkowski> IdleOne: yep they figured that out a few mins ago in the channel i mentioned
[10:44] <IdleOne> alright, thanks for helping
[10:44] <czajkowski> np
[12:05] <daker> mhall119: spam or not spam bug 1067240 ?
[12:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1067240 in loco-team-portal "Problem with logging in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067240
[12:08] <czajkowski> spam
[12:08] <czajkowski> invalid
[13:02] <jcastro_> hey balloons
[13:02] <jcastro_> is the quantal->precise backport testing still happening?
[13:02] <balloons> jcastro_, for the kernel?
[13:03] <jcastro_> yeah
[13:03] <balloons> if so, yes, it's still on-going
[13:03] <jcastro_> oh, I just realized I totally missed saying kernel, heh
[13:03] <jcastro_> link to page?
[13:03] <balloons> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/223/builds
[13:04] <jcastro_> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/223/builds/25321/downloads
[13:04] <jcastro_> nice instructions!
[13:04] <jcastro_> hey so this URL doesn't change right?
[13:07] <balloons> no it doesn't change
[13:08] <balloons> the builds autoincrement as new stuff is released
[13:08] <balloons> you can see the history: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/223/history
[13:10] <jcastro_> oh I see
[13:10] <jcastro_> that's why you gave me the parent page
[13:41] <jbicha> jcastro_: good morning
[13:44] <jcastro_> jbicha: hey so I noticed 0 bug reports on ubuntu's gnome-boxes
[13:44] <jcastro_> that scared me
[13:44] <jcastro_> so I was just wondering if you know if anyone is using it, etc.
[13:45] <jbicha> jcastro_: oh good, that must mean it's bug-free! ;)
[13:45] <jcastro_> hah no
[13:45] <jcastro_> my first thought was like "welp, no one must be using this." heh
[13:46] <jbicha> yeah, it was broken much of the quantal cycle and magically it started working again recently
[13:46] <jbicha> none of the developers use Ubuntu & I only recently got access to a computer w/ hw virtualization to try it out
[13:47] <jcastro_> hmm
[13:47] <jcastro_> well mine runs with gksudo
[13:48] <jcastro_> but I can't make a VM with it
[13:48] <jcastro_> says it can't connect to whatever I name the install
[13:48] <jcastro_> I think it's trying to do the fancy SPICE thing
[13:48] <jbicha> um, you shouldn't need to use sudo for it and that can break file permissions
[13:50] <jcastro_> it wouldn't run without gksudo
[13:51] <jbicha> you're using 64-bit Ubuntu as your host, right?
[13:53] <jcastro_> yeah
[13:53] <jbicha> you could try asking in #boxes on irc.gnome.org
[13:53] <jcastro_> nah, I don't want to get yelled aty
[13:54] <jbicha> they seemed friendly enough, they wanted me to add Ubuntu preseed support though, so watch out, they might try to put you to work
[13:55] <jbicha> in other news, we opened the call for POSSCON 2013 speakers today
[13:56] <jbicha> we'll be at IT-oLogy this year, which is a great location
[13:57] <jcastro_> I loved your office
[14:23] <dholbach> jcastro_, is anyone else maintaining ubuntuonair, or just JoseeAntonioR?
[14:23] <dholbach> jcastro_, it seems I don't have access to the wordpress thing
[14:25] <dholbach> popey, ^ do you have access?
[14:27] <popey> dholbach, lemme see (otp)
[14:27] <dholbach> it might be that I don't have an account
[14:30] <dholbach> ok, I'll start the hangout without ubuntuonair.com :/
[14:30] <smartboyhw> dholbach, oh is there a ubuntuonair event today?
[14:30] <dholbach> yes
[14:30] <dholbach> now
[14:30]  * smartboyhw is surprised
[14:42] <popey> dholbach, i dont seem to have access either
[14:43] <popey> and it's hosted on my box :(
[14:43] <smartboyhw> popey: Er http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8S7VW8IXM
[14:44] <popey> smartboyhw, what?
[15:01] <jono> dpm, mhall119 all set?
[15:01] <mhall119> yup
[15:01] <dpm> yep
[15:03] <mhall119> dpm: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3d6b987f3c01fcb93b517e90a5dd1a92c8532715?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:04] <dpm> I'm there in a sec, having troubles logging in
[15:04] <jcastro_> cd
[15:04] <jcastro_> whoops
[15:05] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3d6b987f3c01fcb93b517e90a5dd1a92c8532715?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:06] <dpm> jono, I can't get into the hangout, it keeps asking me for login info, let me restart Firefox
[15:07] <jono> dpm, ok
[15:21] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: I am around now. you do have access, your account's there :S
[15:21] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, let's talk later
[15:21] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[15:26] <jcastro_> hey, is mine there?
[15:26] <jcastro_> we're going tomorrow right JoseeAntonioR?
[15:26] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: that's right!
[15:26] <JoseeAntonioR> and yours is too
[15:30] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, did you check if there's a dholbach account somewhere? I couldn't ask for it to reset my password because it didn't accept any of my email addresses
[15:30] <JoseeAntonioR> there is a dholbach
[15:30] <JoseeAntonioR> weird, no mail
[15:31] <dholbach> yeah, I couldn't reset it and the password was not the same as last time :)
[15:31] <JoseeAntonioR> the migration didn't fully move users
[15:31] <dholbach> aha!
[15:31] <dholbach> popey is locked out too he said
[15:31] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: I'm editing it, which email address should I use?
[15:31] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: ^
[15:32] <dholbach><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:32] <jono> dholbach, will be two mins
[15:32] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: yours is ready to go
[15:32] <jono> wrapping a call
[15:32] <dholbach> jono, alrightie
[15:32] <jcastro_> JoseeAntonioR<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:32] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: yours was already done
[15:33] <jcastro_> ah
[15:33] <dholbach> perfect, sorted - thanks JoseeAntonioR
[15:33] <JoseeAntonioR> thanks for letting me know!
[15:34] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fine?
[15:37] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach, jcastro_, mhall119, popey, didrocks, bkerensa: I suggest linking an OpenID to your accounts for an easy use
[15:38] <didrocks> I would love this :)
[15:38] <mhall119> what account?
[15:38] <didrocks> the launchpad one is fine, right?
[15:38] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: ubuntu on air
[15:39] <JoseeAntonioR> yep, that's an openid
[15:43] <jcastro_> http://launchpad.net/~didrocks
[15:43] <jcastro_> is your openid
[15:51] <didrocks> (done)
[15:51] <didrocks> thanks jcastro_
[15:51] <didrocks> jcastro_: btw, the reset rewrite is awesome, I gave some finale guidances before integrating it
[15:53] <jcastro_> yeah those guys did a great job
[15:53] <jcastro_> jokerdino was involved too
[15:53] <jcastro_> good to see some collaboration there.
[15:54] <jokerdino> hi!
[15:55] <jokerdino> didrocks: btw, webapps is not reset because it never matches com.canonical.Unity. it comes under unity.
[15:56] <didrocks> jokerdino: this is a bug by people not setting the schema right :p
[15:56] <didrocks> jokerdino: please exclude is still when we will fix it ;)
[15:56] <jokerdino> I guess so. i'll add a precautionary exclusion then :)
[15:56] <didrocks> yeah, for not having bad surprise the day we fix it :p
[15:57] <jokerdino> haha, nothing better than a proactive bug fix.
[15:57] <jokerdino> ok now i am really getting back to work. :P
[15:58] <mhall119> jcastro_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-r-juju-appserver-support and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloudserver-r-framework-charms seem to be the same thing
[15:58] <jcastro_> ah, good point
[15:58] <jcastro_> let me bring it up to antonio
[16:02] <jcastro_> mhall119: nice
[16:02] <jcastro_> I tried to supercede mine and it oopsed launchpad
[16:05] <czajkowski> jcastro_: Y U break Launchpad
[16:05] <czajkowski> no karma for you
[16:05] <mhall119> "oopsed" is a wonderful verb
[16:05] <czajkowski> I have other words
[16:05] <czajkowski> but we'll go with oopsed :)
[16:05] <mhall119> awesome?
[16:05] <jcastro_> I'll just decline it for uds-r
[16:05] <czajkowski> >:( back in your box mhall119
[16:06]  * mhall119 goes back to his awesome box
[16:06] <czajkowski> how is the little one with the sore eye ?
[16:06] <czajkowski> doing any better ?
[16:06] <mhall119> yeah, should be back to normal in a day or two
[16:07] <czajkowski> poor kido :(
[16:14] <jcastro_> bkerensa: I sorted that contributor thing for juju
[16:14] <jcastro_> almost got it sorted
[16:21] <philballew> I need to head over th the open stack conference soon and check out all the parties.
[16:23] <jcastro_> \o/
[16:24] <jcastro_> hey balloons
[16:24] <jcastro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes/Credits/Developers
[16:24] <jcastro_> what script did you use for this?
[16:25] <JoseeAntonioR> anyone from the marketing team around?
[16:27] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: they tend to not be on irc much
[16:27] <JoseeAntonioR> :(
[16:27] <JoseeAntonioR> well
[16:27] <czajkowski> it's more of a marketing/communications team
[16:27] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: what's up
[16:28] <JoseeAntonioR> I'd like to know if I can fill one of the slots with them
[16:29] <czajkowski> ahh
[16:29] <czajkowski> ok
[16:29] <czajkowski> lemmie go and find someone and see
[16:29] <JoseeAntonioR> yay, thanks!
[16:29] <czajkowski> dont get so excited
[16:29] <czajkowski> just yet
[16:30] <czajkowski> and there is only on air slots available
[16:30] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:30] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, that's one of the main probs, people don't want to take it
[16:31] <czajkowski> I suspect this could be the same
[16:31] <czajkowski> any chance it could bt non air
[16:31] <czajkowski> doesnt really suit a lot of people tbh
[16:32] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[16:32] <JoseeAntonioR> hmm, we wanted to do this one different, if we don't find on air sessions I'll just have to go and make them irc-based
[16:33] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: wanting and getting are two different things :) but we can try and least
[16:33] <czajkowski> it's a busy week for people that week also
[16:34] <JoseeAntonioR> that's one of the main problems of OpenWeek, it's more community-based
[16:34] <AlanBell> oh, Friday is OnAir, interesting
[16:35] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: well I guess it what's ever ye want it to be
[16:36] <czajkowski> but given it's smack bang in a canonical week makes it harder also. and the week before is this week so release week
[16:36] <czajkowski> maybe something to discuss at uds when the open week should be
[16:36] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, this is harder than UDW and UUD
[16:36] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll put it in the agenda
[16:39] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: can you pm me some ideas of what you're looking for re the marketing sessions so I've an ideas
[16:39] <czajkowski> please
[16:39] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: sure, one sec
[16:43] <mhall119> jcastro_: when is mark's openstack presentation?  Email said 16:30 utc
[16:45] <jcastro_> right now
[16:46] <jcastro_> http://www.openstack.org/
[16:46] <philballew> I looked outside and I didnt see his plane land. :(
[16:47] <jcastro_> lol
[16:47] <jcastro_> he used the amazon lens to highlight openstack authors
[16:48] <czajkowski> juju = magic sounds more like voodoo
[16:48] <czajkowski> but how and ever
[16:49] <philballew> still maiting on ubuntu voodoo dolls
[16:49] <AlanBell> available in the shopping lens now
[16:50] <AlanBell> (probably)
[16:50]  * philballew searches for " AlanBell Voodoo doll "
[16:50] <czajkowski> when he was in Limerick last weekend
[16:51] <czajkowski> the folks were amazing he'd come to a small conference, 120/130 people and talk to them, the live demo of the lens had most people walking out going to try it
[16:52] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: send mail asap so I cna forward on
[16:52] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[16:53]  * philballew I should take the canonical people to the cool places to eat one of the cool times there here. Tacos that make you sweat.
[16:54] <mhall119> jcastro_: juju GUI looks nice
[16:54] <philballew> unless Europeans are not into spicy food.
[16:54] <jcastro_> yeah
[16:54] <jcastro_> look at what he's doing
[16:54] <jcastro_> that's basically awesome
[16:55] <mhall119> uh oh...
[16:56] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: email sent
[17:38] <nigelb> AlanBell: Heh, this error message on summit sounds like you wrote it :P "Oh bugger!"
[17:39] <JoseeAntonioR> nigelb: I'm around now, you pinged me a couple days ago
[17:40] <nigelb> JoseeAntonioR: Oh. I was looking for help with google hangouts on air. jcastro_ linked me to the wiki :)
[17:40] <JoseeAntonioR> oh, sure
[17:41] <JoseeAntonioR> that wiki page is a bit old, but I'll try to update i
[17:41] <JoseeAntonioR> t
[17:41] <jcastro_> AlanBell: or popey
[17:41] <jcastro_> is london time UTC?
[17:42] <czajkowski> we're UTC+1 atm jcastro_
[17:42] <jcastro_> rock
[17:42] <czajkowski> jcastro_: see I know stuff too :p
[17:43] <jcastro_> I forgot you moved to london
[17:43] <jcastro_> I know it's been like 2 years or something
[17:44] <czajkowski> and ireland is in the same timezone :)
[17:44] <czajkowski> but how and ever all is forgiven
[17:44] <nigelb> when is the change?
[17:44] <nigelb> next month or this month?
[17:45] <JoseeAntonioR> I think this one
[17:45] <czajkowski> 28/10
[17:45] <czajkowski> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=136&year=2012
[17:45] <JoseeAntonioR> right before UDS
[17:46] <nigelb> phew
[17:46] <czajkowski> the day I fly out to UDS
[17:46] <czajkowski> late evening flight so not worried
[17:47] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm worried about jet lag, looks like Red Bull will be my friend during those days
[17:48] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: do you think you can update the page with the details of our guests?
[17:51] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: description for Ivanka?
[17:52] <jcastro_> yeah I need to work on the description today
[17:52] <JoseeAntonioR> give it to me asap, so I can post to the fridge
[17:52] <jcastro_> ok sec
[17:53] <jcastro_> "I thought it was time to update my About Me and My work pages and I could’t bring my self to edit the old versions. After all, this is my blog and I reserve the right to be self-indulgent."
[17:53] <jcastro_> hah
[17:53] <jcastro_> thanks ivanka
[17:53] <jcastro_> JoseeAntonioR: here you go
[17:54] <jcastro_> http://www.ivankamajic.com/historical/my-work/
[17:54] <jcastro_> the first paragraph outta do it
[17:54] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[17:54] <JoseeAntonioR> ok!
[17:54] <jcastro_> neil's is on there already iirc?
[17:54] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[18:08] <doctormon> jono: Regarding out chat the other day: http://fav.me/d5i3aqd
[18:33] <bkerensa> doctormon: :)
[18:33] <mhall119> sweet! bonus XKCD volume 0!
[18:34] <nigelb> Heh
[18:34] <nigelb> I got it for XKCD
[18:34] <mhall119> I bought the humble ebook bundle before they added it
[18:35] <bkerensa> wow
[18:35] <bkerensa> ebook bundle?
[18:35] <JoseeAntonioR> :O Ivanka has been to Peru!
[18:35] <nigelb> Don't you remember?
[18:36] <nigelb> She went from Canada all the way down.
[18:36] <JoseeAntonioR> wow
[18:36] <nigelb> on a motorbike.
[18:36] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, I've been watching that
[18:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: https://www.humblebundle.com/
[18:41] <AlanBell> nigelb: not guilty!
[18:41] <nigelb> AlanBell: hahaha
[18:41] <AlanBell> nigelb: could be Australian too
[18:42] <nigelb> oh, I think it could be our good friends at linaro
[18:57] <doctormon> Yeah I already have xkcd-0, better to have the book anyway, xkcd is Creative Commons.
[19:36] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro_: do you have neil's and ivanka's g+ profile link
[19:36] <jcastro_> https://plus.google.com/105470502273244297564/posts
[19:36] <jcastro_> I don't think ivanka is on g+?
[19:37] <jcastro_> https://plus.google.com/114106168392802005843/posts
[19:37] <jcastro_> found her!
[19:40] <JoseeAntonioR> yay
[19:43] <JoseeAntonioR> the circle is ready, all set for tomorrow
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> upvotes appreciated: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/11l8df/announcing_the_juju_web_ui/
[20:44] <bkerensa> ;) /r/Ubuntu is such a liberal subreddit ;p
[20:46] <jcastro_> I like /r/ubuntu
[20:48] <bkerensa> jcastro_: because of the lack of enforcement of reddiquette? :)
[20:48] <jcastro_> which one?
[20:48] <bkerensa> Upvoting friends/co-workers blog posts :P
[20:48] <bkerensa> self-promotion
[20:48] <bkerensa> :D
[20:50] <jcastro_> http://code.reddit.com/wiki/help/reddiquette
[20:50] <jcastro_> i think that applies on reddit itself
[20:51] <jcastro_> and even then, it doesn't mention anything about upvoting for your friends/coworkers
[20:52] <bkerensa> jcastro_: Hint at asking for votes.
[20:53] <bkerensa> Asking for votes or having others upvote
[20:53] <bkerensa> it doesnt matter if its a cousin or brother or your boss :)
[20:53] <bkerensa> thats why I said /r/Ubuntu is liberal
[20:53] <bkerensa> :)
[20:53] <bkerensa> its a good thing
[20:53] <jcastro_> fair enough
[20:54] <jcastro_> you've caught our circle of 5 people destroying the reddit vote economy
[20:54] <bkerensa> ... /r/Portland is similar in allowing expanded sharing and upvoting
[20:54] <bkerensa> :P
[20:54] <mhall119> bkerensa: From the context, I gather they don't want you doing that in your post/on reddit
[20:54] <bkerensa> hardly
[20:54] <bkerensa> Ubuntu's subreddit is pretty small
[20:55] <bkerensa> I keep telling you guys /r/Linux is better for clicks
[20:55] <bkerensa> ;p
[20:55] <czajkowski> that doesnt mean the rules don't still apply though surely
[20:55] <jcastro_> also, the topic of my post has nothing to do with flaming unity, it's likely offtopic for /r/ubuntu
[20:55] <mhall119> jcastro_: that doesn't mean the comments won't involve flaming unity
[20:56] <snap-l> Um, I think they mean asking for votes in the comments or subject matter.
[20:56] <snap-l> I don't think there's a problem with asking for votes on a separate channel
[20:57]  * mhall119 must now assume that any downvote is from bkerensa
[20:58] <bkerensa> mhall119: ?
[20:58] <bkerensa> I upvoted actually
[20:58] <mhall119> a likely story
[20:58]  * snap-l puts away the sock puppet accounts.
[20:59] <mhall119> I posted a puppy picture on /r/funny/ and it was downvoted, I bet it was bkerensa
[20:59] <bkerensa> psh
[20:59] <bkerensa> I dont read /r/funny
[20:59] <AlanBell> should have done a kitten
[20:59] <mhall119> he has a grudge against dogs
[20:59] <AlanBell> or a chicken
[20:59] <bkerensa> what
[20:59] <bkerensa> that makes no sense
[20:59] <AlanBell> chickens are funny
[20:59] <snap-l> and tasty
[20:59] <mhall119> a dog once kicked his corporate sponsor
[21:00] <snap-l> Also, I think pictures of doing kittens are a different sub-reddit
[21:00] <bkerensa> mhall119: http://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=1937380
[21:00] <bkerensa> uck
[21:00] <bkerensa> http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/eaqnf/pardon_me_but_5000_downvotes_wtf_is_worldnews_for/
[21:00] <bkerensa> :D
[21:00] <bkerensa> vote fuzzing
[21:00] <bkerensa> for every one or two votes Reddit automatically downvotes any submission
[21:01] <bkerensa> depending on the karma of the submitters
[21:01]  * mhall119 downvotes that HN item
[21:01]  * mhall119 blames it on bkerensa
[21:01]  * bkerensa ragequits
[21:01] <AlanBell> I need a second camera just for the chickens
[21:01] <pleia2> AlanBell: there are chickens everywhere here!
[21:02] <pleia2> they just wander about :)
[21:02] <AlanBell> yay
[21:02] <AlanBell> :)
[21:02] <AlanBell> I have been following your blog posts
[21:02] <pleia2> I have chicken pictures, but limited bandwidth means the chickens don't make it up ;)
[21:02] <pleia2> I'll upload when I'm home before UDS
[21:02] <mhall119> pleia2: did you give them some Ubuntu CDs?
[21:03] <pleia2> mhall119: haha, no
[21:03] <pleia2> the Accra LUG people were laughing at me when I was like "hey, chickens!" they were all "we don't even notice them"
[21:03] <AlanBell> I am looking forward to retreiving their Precise Server CD and seeing if it boots still
[21:05] <mhall119> AlanBell: you should register chickenwatch.com and put a  bunch of distro CDs in there, then give each a "peck rank"
[21:05] <mhall119> then we can be all "ZOMG! Justin Beiber Linux is more popular than Ubuntu according to chickenwatch ranking!"
[21:05] <pleia2> hehe
[21:06] <AlanBell> hmm, I could
[21:06] <mhall119> that is, until those Mint guys build a pecking-bot to skew the numbers
[21:06] <AlanBell> ooh, you need to submit your spicerack to http://ratemyspicerack.com
[21:07] <mhall119> I don't have a spice rack
[21:07] <AlanBell> (my most recent mildly silly project)
[21:07] <mhall119> neither, it seems, do many of the people posting there
[21:07] <mhall119> at least mine are *all* in tupperware bins
[21:08] <AlanBell> yes, they don't strictly have to be racked
[21:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: I guess having a spice rack in Europe is the new in.
[21:23] <bkerensa> :D
[21:24] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, do you know how can I get products from the canonistore without shipping? there won't be a uds shop this time
[21:25] <bkerensa> LOL
[21:25] <bkerensa> :D
[21:26] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: if there wont be a UDS Shop then you have to pay for shipping
[21:26] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, looks like I'll have to wait until may
[21:26] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: it has to be shipped somehow
[21:26] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: or get it shipped to someone and they bring it to uds
[21:27] <jcastro_> I would just coerce popey to bring you stuff

[21:27] <czajkowski> get it shipped to me and if it arrives before I leave yer sorted
[21:27] <popey> hmm?
[21:27] <bkerensa> :D
[21:27] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I imagine thats much cheaper than to Peru
[21:27] <bkerensa> :D
[21:27] <JoseeAntonioR> that may work if shipping's not too expensive for a couple pens and a couple tshirts
[21:27] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: I fly out on the 28th if that's any good to you
[21:27] <czajkowski> bkerensa: indeed which was why I was offering to JoseeAntonioR
[21:27] <JoseeAntonioR> shipping to Peru for a pen is around 50 dollars
[21:28] <popey> would be better to ask czajkowski than me because I fly out on the 21st
[21:28] <popey> might not get here in time
[21:28] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[21:28] <czajkowski> JoseeAntonioR: if you want pm and Ill give you my address
[21:28] <popey> \o/ two weeks in Copenhagen!
[21:28] <JoseeAntonioR> lemme check the shipping price first
[21:28] <czajkowski> 2 weeks of overpriced beer
[21:28] <JoseeAntonioR> 2 weeks of overpriced water!
[21:28] <czajkowski> gonna be the most sober of uds ever
[21:28] <popey> depends where you buy it :)
[21:28] <JoseeAntonioR> looks like I'll survive with tap water
[21:29]  * popey worked in Copenhagen for ~6 months. Lovely place
[21:29] <czajkowski> popey: can I get cider there at a reasonable price
[21:29] <czajkowski> hmmm I've drank all the jack out in this house
[21:29] <czajkowski> bah!!
[21:29] <popey> haha
[21:32] <jcastro_> behold
[21:32] <jcastro_> http://procatinator.com/
[21:34] <mhall119> jcastro_: what in the name of sanity is this?
[21:34] <jcastro_> it's the greatest thing ever built
[21:34] <jcastro_> that's what it is
[21:35] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I must ask is Longbow popular in London?
[21:35] <bkerensa> for some reason it seems popular here
[21:35] <bkerensa> Strongbow even
[21:35] <bkerensa> >.<
[21:37] <czajkowski> meh I'd drink it at a push
[22:04] <bkerensa> mhall119: you about?
[23:00] <mhall119> no
[23:00] <mhall119> :)
[23:10] <jbicha> jcastro_: we got a Boxes update today, no idea whether it will work any better for you though
[23:46] <cprofitt> anyone know what has replaced gconf-editor now? I am trying to make changes to how scale and expo work, but the gconf-editor settings are not working
[23:56] <jokerdino> cprofitt: they are in dconf now. use ccsm.
[23:56] <jokerdino> wait, that's only for 12.10.


[00:26]  * JontheEchidna grabs some patches from the kde-qt git repo
[00:34] <shtylman> Riddell: someone will need to look at making a set of slides for Kubuntu ... should I look into that? or do we have someone better for that (I hope we do)...
[01:25] <seele> ScottK: was going to try and get you to the pirate bar last night.. but you must have been sleeping already ;P
[01:27] <maco> seele: if you go to linuxchix tell 'em im sorry i couldnt come, but i have to go into the office all this week and itd take me til 9pm to reach silver spring if i leave work at 530
[02:49] <nixternal> hrmm. guess I didn't reboot the other day but accidentally shut down :/
[03:14] <seele> maco: what linux chix?
[03:16] <seele> oh wow.. caught by spam filter. that's the first time that's happened
[03:19] <seele> maco: it looks like it is in college park this time because piratz is closed on mondays
[03:19] <seele> maco: if i go, i probably wont make it until 9 because i have aikido
[03:23] <maco> i reach dc at 8 so anything maryland...9
[03:24] <seele> bummer.. i didnt even see the meeting planning email come out.. stupid spam filter
[03:25] <maco> how long've you been doing aikido?
[03:50] <seele> maco: 3 months, hehe
[03:54] <maco> is that one of those high-impact marshal arts?
[03:54] <maco> martial
[03:55] <maco> or is it something someone horrendously out of shape can manage?
[04:18] <seele> maco: no, it's soft.. not hard like karate
[04:18] <seele> maco: definitely, although you'll be in pain the first month just from using muscles you've never used before, hehe
[04:52] <harolddong> I'm using the last 4.3 RC where did the gtk theme controls go? They used to be in system settings but now arent and most gtk apps looks dreadful
[07:44] <jussi01> Hrm, is there not a way we can sort the authentication for ppa's with a single command (something along the lines of what medibuntu does?). I hate fidling with gui's and would be nice if a command was given... :D
[08:37] <gorgonzola> hello, i have a terrific idea for a workaround for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/369042, but i need help implementing it. anyone here up for the task? some knowledge of acpi/hal required... (i was sent here from #kubuntu :P)
[08:37] <gorgonzola> i'll propose anyway: the thing is that suspend and resume fail with current fglrx drivers on some cards, with desktop effects enabled. It ocurred to me that it should be possible to disable desktop effects immediately prior to suspension and reenable them after resume, using acpi or hal events... but i don't know where to begin.
[08:37] <gorgonzola> help?
[08:38] <mgraesslin> gorgonzola: I like the idea
[08:39] <mgraesslin> I am not really familiar with the suspend/resume architecture, but KWin offers a DBus interface to suspend/resume compositing
[08:39] <gorgonzola> mgreasslin : well, it is a horrible hack, but until ati releases a real fix, i don't think of any other possibility to enjoy dekstop effects
[08:39] <gorgonzola> aaaha, excellent, thats one of the things i was looking up
[08:39] <mgraesslin> the only important part is to delay the resume compositing enough
[08:40] <mgraesslin> as in worst case it would just be suspended again as everything is too slow
[08:40] <gorgonzola> although in my experience, dbus is terribly unfriendly... dcop was much more... pedagogic
[08:40] <gorgonzola> mmm
[08:40] <gorgonzola> i guess that could be managed witha sleep in the script
[08:41] <gorgonzola> and some tuning to see how much to delay it
[08:41] <gorgonzola> thanks for th tip
[08:41] <mgraesslin> sleep I guess is a bad idea
[08:41] <mgraesslin> as that could be blocking
[08:41] <gorgonzola> well, i'm a terrible bash scripter... but i can get help with that
[08:41] <gorgonzola> ok, so dbus for the actual desktop effects part,
[08:42] <gorgonzola> now... should i look into hal events, or acpi events?
[08:42] <mgraesslin> no idea :-)
[08:42] <gorgonzola> damn
[08:42] <gorgonzola> the documentation page is for dapper (!)
[08:42] <mgraesslin> have a look at powerdevil
[08:42] <gorgonzola> yeah, i already did
[08:42] <gorgonzola> it has hooks to profile loading
[08:43] <gorgonzola> but i didn't find any for the actual actions
[08:43] <gorgonzola> i don't know where i saw hooks for pre suspend and after resume...
[08:43] <gorgonzola> well, i guess i'll have to learn acpi :S
[08:46] <gorgonzola> mmm, apparently everything is done with dbus, talking to hal...
[09:22] <Riddell> morning
[09:23] <jussi01> morning Riddell
[09:30] <Riddell> coming live from Dublin
[09:31] <Quintasan> Hi Riddell
[10:16]  * jussi01 sighs... someone broke pioneers... leastways its broke for me here :(
[11:49] <ghostcube> T -12 hrs
[11:49] <ghostcube> -_-
[14:00] <JontheEchidna> dpm: bug 203349 should be fixed by now in all languages, correct?
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> I would imagine that between the committing of the fix all of the langpacks have been updated
[14:04] <neversfelde> plasma-widget-plasmaboard has a new upstream release 0.6, 0.51 is in the archives, seems that it was a typo by upstream, should have been 0.5.1. How do we upgrade that package now?
[14:05] <a|wen-work> we are bold and calls it 0.60 ... and hope they'll reach 1.0 very quick (before we want to sync with debian)
[14:05] <neversfelde> :)
[14:06] <neversfelde> he plans to get it in kdeplasma-addons for 4.4
[14:06] <a|wen-work> at least that way we want have an epoch...
[14:06] <a|wen-work> when that happens we are safe :)
[14:13] <Quintasan> hmm, anyone got Radeon HD3450?
[14:15] <ghostcube> i need and new nvidia any suggestions :D
[14:16] <Riddell> rdieter: did you and _Sime work out wherr pykdeuic should be installed?
[14:17] <rdieter> Riddell: haven't heard from him (yet)
[14:20] <neversfelde> bug 408372 needs a sponsor, I forgot to mention the bug number in the changelog, will set it to fix released manually after it is uploaded
[14:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: "kdesudo: Release and tag 3.4.2-1" just for your information
[14:20] <OdyX> Riddell: we prepared this new tarball together :->
[14:21] <OdyX> Tonio_: it has been accepted in Debian just now
[14:21] <Riddell> super
[14:21] <Riddell> neversfelde: let me get hat
[14:21] <Riddell> that
[14:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I uploaded it so I know :)
[14:22] <Riddell> neversfelde: should we be looking to replace kvkbd with this?
[14:23] <Riddell> neversfelde: uploaded, I even added the bug number to the changelog
[14:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: I never had a look at kvkbd, I will compare both and send a mail to the devel list
[14:24] <Riddell> great thanks
[14:46] <neversfelde> Riddell: bilbo is now in the new queue, so if you have some time, it would be great if you could have a look
[14:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: my archive admin day tomorrow, 4.3.0 packaging takes priority today
[14:57] <neversfelde>  ok, I think this can wait until tomorrow :)
[15:04] <JontheEchidna> bug 408398 needs sponsoring, if a main sponsor is free
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> (fixes bug 351390)
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> the upstream bug watch task is showing up as fixed there^
[15:07] <JontheEchidna> also bug 351628, it seems
[15:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: onto it
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> The new NM trayapp has a lot of sweet features too
[15:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hmm, I can't actually list the available access points in this knetworkmanager version
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> oh :(
[15:28] <dpm> JontheEchidna: re: bug 203349, I'm going to have a look at this. I have to talk to ArneGoetje to confirm, but I think this should be solved in the new jaunty language packs we're going to release soon
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> dpm: eh, I think that's more for intrepid. should've been fixed in jaunty from day one
[15:30] <dpm> JontheEchidna: oh, ok, I just read too quickly, I was just having a look at the dates of the last comments
[15:31] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: can you get a list of access points from the applet menu?
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: wired here
[15:31] <Riddell> oh aye
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> might be a good idea to get a ppa for testing
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> perhaps upload to kubuntu-experimental for karmic
[15:32] <Riddell> yeah can do, I just used my ~jr one
[15:38] <neversfelde> Bug #408408 needs a sponsor
[15:38]  * JontheEchidna can take that
[17:18]  * Riddell removes everything from kde-i18n-xx except quanta
[17:18] <Riddell> ~twitter update in Dublin
[17:18] <kubotu> status updated
[17:46] <momesana> hi
[17:46] <momesana> I've just downloaded and written karmic to a disc and am wondering why it boots ubuntu instead of kubuntu. What's wrong?
[17:51] <a|wen> momesana: sounds like you downloaded ubuntu instead of kubuntu ... where did you download the iso?
[17:51] <momesana> a|wen: yes, just realized that
[17:51] <a|wen> :)
[17:52] <momesana> where do I get a kubuntu release ... I can't find a karmic subdir on kubuntu mirrors
[17:52] <momesana> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/
[17:53] <neversfelde> there is no karmic?
[17:53] <momesana> neversfelde: evidently not
[17:55] <a|wen> momesana: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:55] <a|wen> most mirrors doesn't contain development releases of kubuntu
[17:56] <momesana> a|wen: thanks a lot
[17:56] <a|wen> yw
[18:03] <bmunger> the plasma widget network manager is getting some work i see
[18:49] <Quintasan> hmm, python and ruby plasmoids are not working for me :/
[19:06] <seele> Riddell: are you on kde-core-devel? there is a question about system-config-printer
[19:36] <einalex> nemphis: can you remember how you fixed this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-de.org-website/+bug/299196
[19:38] <einalex> nemphis: I get the same error with my drupal + mediawiki installation and would like to get a hint on how to fix it
[19:39] <nemphis> einalex: yes, just a moment. i search for the diff ;)
[19:39] <einalex> thank you :)
[19:40] <einalex> the bugreport has no info on that attached..so i had to bug you ;)
[19:40] <nemphis> einalex: no problem :)


[04:50] <gp5st> hello
[04:50] <gp5st> quick question
[04:50] <gp5st> im not sure how to get applets to work here in ubuntu
[04:50] <gp5st> i have sun java  6 installed
[04:50] <gp5st> via apt-get
[08:03] <neshaug> :)
[08:05] <man-di> hi
[09:22] <neshaug> Hi man-di.
[09:23] <neshaug> nice to see some people in here.
[09:26] <man-di> I'm always here
[09:26] <man-di> just not always speaking
[10:41] <doko> tmarble: could I have your opinion on an updated sun-java5 package for dapper?
[10:41] <doko> there are certainly some security issues, but "normal" updates as well.
[10:42] <doko> - -security doesn't sound like an option, because there are other fixes as well
[10:43] <doko> - -backports would be ok, but maybe isn't picked up by many people
[10:44] <tmarble> how do you handle this for LTS, generally?  dapper-backports? or dapper-updates?
[10:45] <doko> - -proposed and -updates is for bug fixes, but no new features. that does sound ok for important bug fixes, but I'm unsure if the updates include new features (or drop features like sin-java6-db)
[10:46] <doko> dapper-updates usually only sees bug fixes, no new featuries, or upstream versions, which is difficult with a binary-only package
[10:46] <tmarble> -db will be back in 6u3 btw
[10:47] <tmarble> i'm sorry but our update releases are the vehicle for security updates (and it is likely they will also get feature updates)
[10:51] <doko> good news about -db =)
[10:59] <tmarble> doko: so i think the issue is more one for Ubuntu policy around LTS
[10:59] <doko> tmarble: we don't seem to have a policy for mutiverse LTS yet ...
[11:19] <doko> tmarble: sent email
[11:22] <tmarble> doko: ok
[11:50] <Webbmaster> hi


[04:48] <Roey> ok, looks like my issues with KDE-Connect have been addressed in the new version, 1.4.  Kubuntu 19.10 ships with KDE-Connect 1.3.5.. when will this get updated to 1.4?
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:49] <IrcsomeBot2> Star254 was added by: Star254
 anyone to send kubuntu setup please 18.04.3
[09:07] <lordievader> Erm, what? Star254, what do you mean?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:54] <Alabalistic> Hi
[12:54] <Alabalistic> BluesKaj,
[13:04] <BluesKaj> hi Alabalistic
[13:04] <Alabalistic> I can't wait for the new 20.04 to come
[13:06] <BluesKaj> I'm running it right now, but I'm not 'on the job'
[13:09] <Alabalistic> 19.10 for me, I love it so much that I can jump on LTS
[13:10] <Alabalistic> such a big improvement since 18.04
[13:30] <IrcsomeBot2> Gh was added by: Gh
[14:12] <tim_tank> Hello, everyone.
[14:19] <franzpow_> Is it possible to have two wine version installed on the same machine without breaking anything?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> don't think so
[14:28] <MichaH> @franzpow: No idea about your goal. But you could give a try to PlayOnLinux, this allows different setups for different application, f.e. appl.1 with WIN-XP plus driverA, appl. 2 with WIN-7 and driverB and driverC. Furthermore, you can kill any PlayOnLinux-Setup, without destroying the others.
[14:29] <diogenes_> franzpow_, it is totally possible with PlayOnLinux.
[14:29] <Alabalistic> there is also Docker container https://hub.docker.com/r/scottyhardy/docker-wine/
[14:29] <diogenes_> also you can just grab wine binaries pre-compiled.
[14:31] <franzpow_> I use also Q4wine
[14:33] <franzpow_> But I had problems with vst plugins and bitwig. These plugin worked with no problem on wine 4 but now I have another pc,another version of wine (5.0) and another version of bitwig
[14:34] <franzpow_> The vst plugin is working without opening it in bitwig but, when I try to open the gui in Bitwig, it does not open
[14:34] <MichaH> In PlayOnLinux you can define for each application, which wine version shall be used
[14:35] <franzpow_> I should try that. I am confused because I don't know which program causes the problem
[14:35] <franzpow_> Because wine open with no problems the vst, but bitwig can't anymore
[14:37] <franzpow> How to
[14:37] <franzpow> Know if the problem comes from bitwig or wine version?
[14:40] <franzpow> J
[14:56] <jukebohi> I installed some language packs because the system kept on saying they are incomplete. I was looking for proofing tools
[14:57] <jukebohi> I'm not happy with having parts of my UI in Finnish. How do I make the system use English?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, look in system-settings>regional settings>language
[15:09] <cart_man> Hey how can I reset plasma if it locks up? If I use virtual desktops on a NVidia GFX it for some reason locks it up
 Check out "Linux Command Guide" … https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bicode.linuxcommandguide
 Check out "Linux Command Guide" … https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bicode.linuxcommandguide
 Check out "Linux Command Guide" … https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bicode.linuxcommandguide
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 10 downloads and no reviews.  Where did you find this app?
[16:21] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: hi!
[16:21] <EvilRoey> Kubuntu 19.10 ships with KDE-Connect 1.3.5.. when will this get updated to 1.4?
[16:21] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj: ^
[16:29] <jukebohi> BluesKaj: The most preferred language is American English, but still some programs use Finnish.
[16:38] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, non default programs from a finnish repos no doubt
[16:38] <jukebohi> BluesKaj: nope. Inkscape from distro repo
[16:38] <jukebohi> Seems I need to remove Finnish and logout and in
[16:39] <BluesKaj> uk repos?
[16:39] <jukebohi> BluesKaj: I have not modified the default repos on this 18.04.3
[16:40] <jukebohi> I have added for spotify, opera and such, but not modified what came with the system (at least as far as I can remember)
[16:41] <BluesKaj> jukebohi, which location did you use when installing the OS
[16:41] <jukebohi> Finnish kbrd, English language
[16:41] <jukebohi> I was in Finland if you actually asking for that
[16:42] <BluesKaj> ok which location did you choose rather
[16:42] <jukebohi> I chose Finland obviously to get the correct timezone
[16:44] <BluesKaj> right, Ive seen this issue before , but I've forgotten the workaround, since there's no real solution settings-wise iirc
[16:54] <BluesKaj> just checking, but are you sure your sources.list is UK or US repos, if not installing non-default packages will result in Finnish versions
[16:57] <BluesKaj> anyway, i have to leave, good luck
 Hey all
[19:13] <exell> Can anyone tell me where the programs go when you download them through "Discover"?
[19:37] <stealth__> halllo
 @exell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[20:26] <mrak> hi all, any one can help me how to setup so  ctrl alt t opens terminator instead of console?
[21:34] <jtatria> hello all. I'm trying to get render offloading to work using an nvidia card and the 435 driver, but I can't get it to work. Anyone has a working xorg.conf I can use as example?
 @mrak, That entirely depends on which distro/desktop you're using.  The basics of it tho are as follows: Find your system's "control panel" type application and seek out the "global hotkeys" (note that these may not be exact names, again depending on the system, but they represent the places you're trying to find).  Once you find where your system lets you configure your global hotkeys, you want to look around in there for the
[21:36] <IrcsomeBot2> `<ctrl><alt><t>` combination and look at what the settings are there.  If they're complex at all, then be sure to copy/paste or write them down somewhere, just in case you need to revert back for some reason.  Now you've done all that?  Cool.  Now just change it to fit your current need.
[23:22] <Roey> hi!
[23:27] <bprompt> allo
[23:28] <Roey> heyhey
[23:28] <Roey> so got a question for you, bprompt
[23:28] <bprompt> Hay Bartender!!! said the horse at the bar
[23:29] <Roey> I'm on Kubuntu 19.10, and kde connect is 1.3.5.  KDE Connect 1.4 is out.. when would it come to Kubuntu? Would it come to Kubuntu 19.10, necessarily? How would I find out?
[23:30] <bprompt> hmmm that I dunno, I'd think it'll be in the next LTS for sure, that'd be at end of April
[23:31] <Roey> oh ok
[23:31] <Roey> so 20.04 then
[23:31] <Roey> ok
[23:32] <bprompt> hmmm well, you can always compile it  yourself, or check around for a compiled version
[23:35] <Roey> right
[23:35] <keithzg-M> Roey: No promises, but that also might make it into Kubuntu via the Backports PPA the next time there's a KDE Apps release?
[23:36] <Roey> I was thinking about the backports ppa
[23:36] <Roey> yeah
[23:36] <Roey> I couldn't find it though
[23:37] <bprompt> pkgs.org is a good spot to check for compiled .deb packages, however https://pkgs.org/download/connect query only shows 1.3.5 even on backports
[23:38] <keithzg-M> Yeah, I wouldn't hold out hope until 20.04 rolls around. And if somehow KDE Connect 1.4 doesn't make it in there, then I'm sure it'll pop up in Backports.
[23:38]  * keithzg-M is still hoping for a fix for VPNs and UDP multicasting, or bluetooth support finally landing, though, and sadly KDE Connect is unusable for him at work until then :(
[23:39] <keithzg-M> Although that being said, looking at the publication date of the 1.3.5 packages in the Backports PPA, maybe it won't be long!
[23:40] <keithzg-M> (The venerable Rik seems to have published 1.3.5 there not long after it was released)
[23:43] <bprompt> what's so better for 1.4 anyway?  I mean, I don't use it, but I'd think 1.3.5 is alrite
[23:45] <Roey> keithzg, bprompt: aye, ok
[23:45] <Roey> bprompt: 1.4 fixes issues with receiving text messages
[23:45] <Roey> so like, right now, when I get a phone text, my screen gets festooned with nine pop-up notifications all saying the same message
[23:45] <Roey> that's been fixed in 1.4
[23:46] <Roey> they switched to a standard handler instead of one they had rolled themselves
[23:46] <bprompt> alrity :)
[23:48] <keithzg-M> Aww shucks, all this made me remember to check for an app for my SailfishOS phone, which does easy USB networking, but apparently the Sailfish Connect app doesn't work via that connection, so I'm still SOL!
[23:56] <Roey> bpr
[23:56] <Roey> doh
[23:56] <Roey> keithzg-M: btw... do you know of any app that does XML to text conversions?
[23:56] <Roey> or XML to CSV conversions?
[23:57] <Roey> I can export my messages off my phone to XML files.. and via the Verizon web site, I can just download them as CSV
[23:57] <Roey> but I want a solution that doesn't gothrough the verizon web site
 @Roey, You could probably hack something up in Python if you know a bit of coding.  The Python standard library has modules to parse both XML and CSV.
[23:58] <Roey> yeah I figured
[23:58] <keithzg-M> Yeah, a bespoke script would be necessary one way or another, it's not like XML is always a set of tabular data so it's not like your use-case here is universal to XML.
 @Roey, On the bright side, Python's fun to learn, and super-useful once learned, so well worth the effort and time.
[23:58] <keithzg-M> And if you want it in just "text" . . . just open it in a text editor, it's all plaintext ;)
[23:59] <Roey> blooalien ya don't say? :)
[23:59] <Roey> keithzg-M: well yes :P
[23:59] <Roey> I'd
[23:59] <Roey> I'd have to re-acquaint myself with the XML DOM parser in python


[13:09] <sladen> jamiey: JMulholland: mpt: could you give Marcus a T-1 hour poke if he's in the office (and any of you are)
[13:09] <JMulholland> sladen: sure
[13:22] <jamiey> sladen Will do :)
[14:04] <sladen> jamiey: jamiey: mpt: could you ask Marcus to try clicking the icon in the top-right, accept the external guests into the call
[14:04] <jamiey> Sure, I just need to find him…
[14:07] <jamiey> sladen all done, I think you're in :-)
[14:24] <sladen> jamiey: wooo!
[14:24] <sladen> jamiey: thankyou


[00:05] <newshound68_> hello anyone out there?
[00:12] <oswriter> hi there
[00:13] <newshound68_> hi, so it,s September. summer over. just managed to get logged in and installed on Pi3
[00:14] <oswriter> congratulations
[00:14] <newshound68_> ta. is it possible to ssh from mac?
[00:15] <newshound68_> like you can with Raspbian
[00:16] <oswriter> i couldn't say. i don't use a mac or a pi. lol
[00:23] <newshound68_> managed to log in ubuntu mate via ssh. do i run hexchat from cmd line?
[00:24] <newshound68_> TIA
[00:44] <kitwar> hello! :]
[00:45] <kitwar> I have a little problem, figured I might find help in here.
[00:46] <kitwar> I've decided to install UbuntuMATE alongside Windows, and I've made the bad decision to only allocate it 12GB.  It now says it is full, although I did not really install anything other than the strictly necessary.
[00:46] <kitwar> so I wonder:  Is there a way to increase the space allocated for UbuntuMATE|?
[00:54] <mcadkins> Hello all!
[02:47] <logical> Hi, is there a way to put Downloads and some other folders in the Places Menu, I tried to go right click and edit but the only menus i could edit is Applications and system    http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1472697991.png
[02:52] <ali1234> yes
[02:52] <ali1234> oh wait wrong channel. don't know, sorry
[02:53] <ali1234> check ~/.gtk-bookmarks and ~/.config/gtk-3.0/bookmarks
[02:53] <ali1234> if you add stuff in there i think it should show on places
[02:53] <ali1234> but mate might be different
[05:02] <mrbhardw> hi
[05:02] <siva_machina> hello
[05:03] <mrbhardw> need help from experts...
[05:03] <siva_machina> I may not be an expert. But I may be able to help
[05:05] <mrbhardw> ok
[05:05] <mrbhardw> thanks ,,
[05:05] <mrbhardw> my screen is flapping..aka flickring..
[05:05] <mrbhardw> any idea how to fix that,,
[05:06] <alkisg> mrbhardw: what's the output of this command? put it to pastebin:
[05:06] <alkisg> xrandr
[05:06] <siva_machina> maybe try going to mate-tweak and having it switch to marco with compositing or compton
[05:07] <mrbhardw> sure
[05:07] <ouroumov> mrbhardw, can you also provide the output of the following command in a terminal: "inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999"
[05:07] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ xrandr
[05:07] <mrbhardw> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1600 x 900, maximum 32767 x 32767
[05:07] <mrbhardw> eDP1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 174mm
[05:07] <mrbhardw>    1600x900      60.00*+
[05:07] <mrbhardw>    1440x900      59.89
[05:07] <mrbhardw>    1368x768      60.00
[05:07] <mrbhardw>    1360x768      59.80    59.96
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    1152x864      60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    1280x720      60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    1024x768      60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    1024x576      60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    960x540       60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    800x600       60.32    56.25
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    864x486       60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    800x450       60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    640x480       59.94
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    720x405       60.00
[05:08] <mrbhardw>    640x360       60.00
[05:08] <ouroumov> mrbhardw, pastebin. next time. You don't ever want to paste large amount of text into this channel.
[05:08] <mrbhardw> DP1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[05:08] <siva_machina> wait!
[05:08] <mrbhardw> DP2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[05:08] <mrbhardw> HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[05:08] <mrbhardw> HDMI2 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[05:08] <mrbhardw> VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[05:08] <siva_machina> WAIT
[05:08] <siva_machina> use pastebin
[05:08] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$ inxi -MCG | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:08] <mrbhardw> http://termbin.com/f1yo
[05:08] <mrbhardw> mrbhardw@MRBHARDW-IN:~$
[05:08] <siva_machina> so you don't flood the chat
[05:09] <mrbhardw> ohh i am sorry ..
[05:09] <mrbhardw> new to linux..
[05:09] <mrbhardw> how to use pastebin
[05:09] <siva_machina> It's a website
[05:09] <mrbhardw> ok
[05:09] <siva_machina> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:10] <ouroumov> mrbhardw, your system is fully up to date?
[05:10] <siva_machina> there is multiple paste bins
[05:10] <siva_machina> that is one
[05:10] <alkisg> mrbhardw: try what siva_machina said, i.e.: marco --no-composite --replace
[05:10] <alkisg> Does this make the flickering better?
[05:10] <siva_machina> yup
[05:10] <siva_machina> open up Mate tweak and change it from there
[05:10] <siva_machina> It may help
[05:11] <mrbhardw> ok
[05:11] <alkisg> No need to do it permanately, it's better from the command line
[05:11] <alkisg> But ok anyway
[05:11] <siva_machina> He can change it back easy
[05:11] <alkisg> Sure if he doesn't lose his whole display
[05:11] <alkisg> Anyway, details...
[05:12] <ouroumov> alkisg, MATE Tweak inforces an automatic rollback after a few seconds
[05:12] <mrbhardw> i did no composite will it work with external monitor as well..
[05:12]  * siva_machina loses whole display and monitor melts
[05:12] <siva_machina> oh NO what I done!
[05:12] <siva_machina> whyyy
[05:12] <alkisg> Hehe
[05:13] <siva_machina> mrbhardw, no option for compton?
[05:13] <alkisg> mrbhardw: did it stop the flickering?
[05:13] <mrbhardw> https://aboutsimon.com/blog/2016/07/20/Ubuntu-16.04-external-monitor-flickering-and-turning-off-on-intel-i915.html
[05:13] <mrbhardw> one suggested me this..
[05:16] <siva_machina> I forgot to ask an important question
[05:16] <siva_machina> what version of Ubuntu-mate are you on?
[05:16] <siva_machina> mrbhardw,
[05:20] <mrbhardw> 16
[05:21] <siva_machina> I awesome 16.04
[05:22] <mrbhardw> ok
[05:22] <siva_machina> assume
[05:22]  * siva_machina can't speel apperantly
[05:22] <siva_machina> spell
[05:22] <mrbhardw> ok
[05:23] <siva_machina> anyways Ubuntu numbers there releases by the year and month it was released
[05:23] <siva_machina> like 16.04 came out in April of this year
[05:24] <mrbhardw> ok so is that version is not stable for graphics ?
[05:24] <siva_machina> Not what I am getting at. Just explaning the numbering system ...sense you're new
[05:25] <siva_machina> anyway did mate tweak not work for you?
[05:26] <mrbhardw> rebooted ...
[05:26] <mrbhardw> shiva..
[05:26] <siva_machina> siva*
[05:26] <mrbhardw> no change in status...
[05:26] <ouroumov> mrbhardw, did you go through the "Driver & Firmware" steps of Welcome -> Getting Started?
[05:27] <mrbhardw> nope..
[05:28] <ouroumov> Do that now
[05:28] <ouroumov> Then reboot, see if it changes anything.
[05:28] <mrbhardw> didnt find that option
[05:28] <ouroumov> System -> Welcome
[05:28] <siva_machina> it should be in the welcome menu or there should be a program called driver
[05:29] <mrbhardw> its only Introduction , features, Getting Started
[05:29] <ouroumov> "Getting Started"
[05:29] <ouroumov> Then Driver & Firmware
[05:29] <mrbhardw> got it ..
[05:29] <mrbhardw> thanks..
[05:32] <alexandra1982> hi
[05:32] <alkisg> Hello
[05:32] <ouroumov> sup
[05:33] <siva_machina> hell alexandra1982
[06:34] <ztane> upgraded ubuntu mate on RPI3, now as a result my configs in /etc/systemd/network/ stopped working
[06:34] <ztane> no log messages or anything, they just do not seem to apply
[06:35] <ztane> I wonder what's changed..
[06:38] <ztane> my files were 10-inteth0.link; 10-inteth0.network, 20-exteth.link, 20 exteth0.network; trying to consistently assign inteth0 to raspberry builtin ethernet, and exteth0 for USB ether adapter
[06:38] <ztane> but it looks as if systemd isn't even reading these files
[06:39] <ztane> worked with versions from 2 months ago :/
[06:45] <Wboson> Using Ubuntu 16.04 and Mate; Mate menus appear off monitor on all sides (top, bottom, left). Mouse moves beyond monitor border by about 1 CM.
[06:46] <alkisg> Wboson: is that a tft monitor, or e.g. an old crt one?
[06:46] <Wboson> Changing resolution of monitor does not impact the menu location or bring menus into visible space.
[06:46] <Wboson> Older LCD Monitor using HDMI input
[06:47] <alkisg> Does it also have a VGA input? If so, does the problem occur there?
[06:47] <Wboson> Offers 12+ resolutions but 1080p is native
[06:47] <Wboson> With analog, VGA there is an option to shrink the image but only on analog is that option available.
[06:48] <Wboson> Not for DisplayMate or HDMI
[06:48] <Wboson> (or whatever the large input cord is called ;)
[06:49] <alkisg> It sounds like an issue with the monitor, not the operating system
[06:49] <alkisg> For example, a TV of mine, has some stretching options, and it only shows all the pixels when I select "native"
[06:49] <Wboson> Is there any X11 setting to define the monitor size
[06:49] <alkisg> It's not about the monitor size
[06:50] <alkisg> It's the monitor itself deciding to clip a border
[06:50] <alkisg> The same thing happens in BIOS or in Windows, doesn't it?
[06:50] <Wboson> The menus are there; they are above the visible area.
[06:50] <alkisg> So you should explore all the monitor options first
[06:52] <Wboson> I have tried six of 12 resolutions for HDMI 1080x720, etc.  Basically, every other setting of the HDMI resolution near 60hz
[06:52] <Wboson> No, does not happen in Win
[06:53] <Wboson> -- That is not accurate. The Win input used is the Display* cord. The old PC that came with the monitor. Newer PC has HDMI output no Display* or VGA outputs
[06:54] <Wboson> No reason to buy adapters - maybe a reason to buy a new monitor!
[06:54] <Wboson> However, isn't there an X11 or WindowManager setting to define the Window size?
[06:55] <Wboson> Not resolution but size by pixels or geo
[06:55] <alkisg> You can define a fake border with some xorg.conf option, sure
[06:55] <alkisg> But I haven't yet seen a TFT monitor that doesn't have a "native" stretching option
[06:56] <Wboson> We used to do this for XWindows on large systems and PC clients.
[06:56] <Wboson> OK; maybe better than VNCServer & client suggestion
[06:58] <Wboson> I will locate the xorg.conf; does it exist or must be created?
[06:58] <alkisg> Eh, sure, if you were to use a fake server, you'd be way better off with xephyr instead of vncserver/client
[06:58] <alkisg> It needs to be created in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. man xorg.conf for details.
[06:58] <Wboson> Thank you.
[06:58] <alkisg> And since the issue is not related to ubuntu-mate, you can also ask in #ubuntu-x about it
[06:59] <alkisg> i think you'll need "virtual" and "viewport", but I'm not sure
[07:00] <alkisg> Why don't you put a VGA cable instead, if the monitor really doesn't have a proper setting for hdmi?
[07:02] <Wboson> There is no VGA on the PC
[07:02] <Wboson> Only video out is HDMI
[07:02] <Wboson> Thanks.
[07:02] <alkisg> You're welcome
[07:02] <Wboson> I will explore the X11 options; into already.
[07:04] <alkisg> Wboson: btw, you don't have an nvidia (so that nvidia-settings would be available),do you?
[07:51] <kiran_> How do you install Sophos?
[08:21] <gordon> hi
[08:21] <ouroumov> hi gordon
[08:23] <ElPresidente> yay
[08:24] <ouroumov> yoy
[08:24] <ElPresidente> yey
[08:33] <tiox> Mentioning this for the heck of it; soreau is working on making Static work with Expo.
[08:34] <tiox> So for those who backported Compiz you may need to do some more dicking around with Git, but if you want to have a terminal always open even in Expo that may be coming near.
[10:55] <allanViking> is there an alternative url to download 16.10 beta1 from? the url on the site just downloads until 7.9MB and then stops
[10:55] <allanViking> this url: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:57] <rahtgaz> try a download manager like uget
[10:57] <allanViking> wget failed too
[10:58] <allanViking> theres no uget for ubuntu livecd
[11:00] <rahtgaz> hmm... maybe curl with --retry 999 and --retry-max-time 0
[11:12] <allanViking> cool, already 9M :D
[11:12] <allanViking> thx
[11:41] <allanViking> now it failed at 140MB
[11:41] <allanViking> is there a net installer or sth I could use whilst having my laptop mounted in chroot? it has a broken ubuntu atm
[11:42] <allanViking> it has ubuntu 16.04. What would happen if I just changed it apt sources to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 or 16.10 ?
[11:43] <ricotz> allanViking, better use "do-release-upgrade -d"
[11:43] <ouroumov> allanViking, you can just restart the download using wget -c
[11:43] <ricotz> or "wget -c http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.10/beta-1/ubuntu-mate-16.10-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso"
[11:44] <ouroumov> Or you know, use the torrent
[11:45] <allanViking> my isp has banned torrents and I cant get into my vps, because for some reasons my ssh keys dont work in chroot
[12:40] <rahtgaz> isp banning torrents is perhaps the most horrible thing i've heard in a while. Amazing the behavior of these ISP. so anti-consumer is not even funny
[12:42] <rahtgaz> you are having lots of problems connecting to that address, allanViking. curl failed because you actually exhausted the 999 retries, which seems to mean either a problem with some router in the way, or your ISP actively killing the connection
[12:42] <TwoNotes> Next they will ban email because you might use it to send spam
[12:42] <rahtgaz> this isn't going to solve your problem now, but frankly switch ISP
[12:43] <rahtgaz> indeed TwoNotes
[12:45] <rahtgaz> bet they aren't banning torrents in their offices though. Where they can download all the crap they want including linux isos and films, because you know... torrents are evil
[12:58] <skyrim> hi
[12:58] <skyrim> hiiiiii
[12:58] <skyrim> anyone?
[12:58] <rahtgaz> just ask, if you have anything to ask.
[12:59] <skyrim> i dont know
[13:00] <skyrim> do any one know playonlinux?
[13:00] <skyrim> it's bugged idk how to fix it
[13:00] <skyrim> it's just freezing af on the loading
[13:01] <rahtgaz> nope. sorry, don't use it. keep around for a while. someone might know and they'll see the post
[13:01] <skyrim> ah okay thanks
[13:03] <rahtgaz> right
[13:42] <mate69247> hello, i found the topmenu applet not to be working reliably. it sometimes just vanishes. also applications like firefox don't work at all
[13:53] <ovlet> anyone played w/ the fonts settings on UM xenial?
[13:53] <ovlet> I noticed some flakiness
[13:54] <ovlet> as in, you touch it and things go apeshit
[13:57] <BlackPanx> hello guys
[13:58] <ovlet> huy BlackPanx
[13:59] <BlackPanx> i have a question... when i dock my ubuntu mate laptop, sometimes screen shows up on external monitor, sometimes it doesnt and sometimes whole laptop freezes. could someone point me into right direction on where to find solution for this kind of behaviour
[14:00] <BlackPanx> it seems to be direcly linked to drivers and kernel... maybe i should ask there? it's kinda hard to debug, since no message gets written in dmesg or so...
[14:00] <ovlet> BlackPanx. first identify exact machine specs so ypu can browse the bug reports w/ that info: inxi -MCG
[14:01] <BlackPanx> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/418924/72738482/raw/
[14:02] <BlackPanx> i should check intel's website maybe... this broadwell driver is mega buggy, i suspect it has something to do with it.
[14:10] <victor__> how to access root account
[14:11] <victor__> how to do partition after installing mate
[14:13] <victor__> can any one help me regarding this
[14:54] <drakej> hi
[14:55] <drakej> what's up .
[15:19] <mate|11940> how to check for software
[15:21] <ztane> 1604 problems with systemd .link files, I constantly have mac-address generated interface names on RPI3, anyone have any idea?
[15:21] <ztane> it seemed to work with state-of-the-art system 3 months ago but since apt-get upgrade, now stopped working
[15:21] <Qommand0r> isn't it 1607 instead of 1604?
[15:22] <Qommand0r> ah wait, nm
[15:22] <Qommand0r> for some reason i thought i was in another channel
[15:30] <ztane> hmm for some reason the udev rules are completely ----ed
[15:30] <ztane> for net
[15:31] <ztane> first of all, I had to remove 73-usb-net-by-mac.rules because it was forcing enx321123123123-style names on all of my ethernets (Raspberry PI) :/
[15:32] <ztane> but even then, my systemd .link stuff is not run, or it doesn't take effect
[15:46] <mate69247> hello, i just realized, the mate install gimped my arch installation
[15:46] <mate69247> i can boot mate, windows, but arch gives me kernel panic
[15:48] <mate69247> so why? no other distro ever changed anothers distros boot capabilities for me ever
[15:49] <Akuli> i guess arch just screwed itself up
[15:49] <Akuli> which doesn't surprise me at all
[15:50] <mate69247> why should it have? it just happened after the u-mate installation, so now its arch's fault?
[15:50] <Akuli> i dont know what happened
[15:51] <Akuli> does sudo update-grub detect arch?
[15:51] <Akuli> by the way, update-grub is one of the greatest features in debian-based distros i've seen
[15:52] <mate69247> it detects it like the first time when it was initially installed
[15:52] <Akuli> can you chroot your arch?
[15:52] <Akuli> as an arch user, you are way better than other people so you know how to use chroot, right?
[15:53] <mate69247> i do know, but why that sarcastic statement?
[15:53] <Akuli> because most arch users think they are better people than others
[15:54] <mate69247> thats the problem with generalization
[15:54] <Akuli> thats the problem with arch
[15:54] <Akuli> if you go through the "advanced" installation using the wiki you're just way better than other people using their debian-based distros.
[15:55] <Akuli> i've done that once, i liked the idea of installing minimally but hated everything else in arch
[15:55] <mate69247> arch is just a great distro. and there no denying. archwiki is also super helpful. thats the reason i also use it (among others)
[15:55] <Akuli> i mean
[15:55] <Akuli> 99% of the stuff on the wiki work on other distros too
[15:55] <mate69247> isnt that great?
[15:56] <Akuli> their wiki is great, and i think everything else is awful
[15:56] <Akuli> pacstrap, zsh, no update-grub
[15:56] <Akuli> systemd
[15:56] <mate69247> your allowed to your opinion
[15:56] <Akuli> but thats just my opinion
[15:56] <mate69247> did you know?
[15:56] <mate69247> dont need to like it
[15:57] <Akuli> i don't, and thats why i don't use it
[15:57] <mate69247> good for you. wheres the problem?
[15:58] <Akuli> if you know how to use your weird package manager you could try updating grub from your arch
[15:58] <Akuli> actually
[15:58] <Akuli> if you know how to make grub config the weird arch way
[15:58] <mate69247> points i like are the AUR as the best system to get packages imo, and knowing that anything is possible and configurable are good reasons to use it
[15:59] <rahtgaz> Akuli, arch is not weird. It's just not Debian. I'd thought to make that distinction clear, if you don't mind
[15:59] <Akuli> its not debian, but i found it just awful in many ways
[16:00] <rahtgaz> Clearly not a sentiment shared by many people among arch and non-arch users. So perhaps you are just wrong
[16:00] <mate69247> its also good to learn new things about linux.
[16:00] <rahtgaz> besides distro-wars type of speech bore me to death. I won't say one more word about it
[16:00] <Akuli> mate69247, you don't learn linux with arch, you learn arch with arch
[16:01] <rahtgaz> *sigh*
[16:01] <Akuli> for example installation, you need their arch-chroot instead of regular chroot
[16:01] <mate69247> thats simply not true, but you may want to believe that, so continue to do so @ Akuli
[16:02] <Akuli> if knowing linux means being able to use zsh with broken autocompletion i suck at linux
[16:03] <Akuli> i mean, arch comes with minimal software and what it comes with just happens to be my least favorite things
[16:03] <rahtgaz> zsh happens to have te best autocompletion system of any shell. What are you talking about? Unless you mean broken=nadly configured
[16:03] <mate69247> i switched to fish as i found it to be faster to set up and better out of the box
[16:03] <Akuli> whatever configuration the arch install cd uses sucks
[16:03] <Akuli> i typed mkfs. and hit the  tab twice, it printed me a list of what filesystems i can make which is great
[16:03] <Akuli> but then it asked me what i want
[16:04] <Akuli> i said i just want to type it out myself by hitting Ctrl+C and it took the autocompletion list away :(
[16:04] <Akuli> bash never does that
[16:04] <mate69247> zsh didn't give me any advantages over fish so far, and it works great
[16:04] <rahtgaz> Akuli, you are reacting to Arch like a newcomer reacts to linux. You don't understand it and automatically it sucks.
[16:05] <mate69247> rahtgaz, thats my impression too
[16:05] <Akuli> i want bash and sysvinit
[16:05] <Akuli> not zsh and systemd
[16:05] <Akuli> like i said, arch just happens to come with my least favorite stuff
[16:05] <mate69247> what are you talking about?
[16:05] <mate69247> arch doesnt come with zsh
[16:05] <Akuli> the install cd uses it by default
[16:06] <mate69247> you aware that you can set up everything the way you want right?
[16:06] <Akuli> yes, and a debian installed from a mini.iso allows me to do that also
[16:06] <Akuli> i also get this by default which is awesome http://dpaste.com/0GREBM1
[16:07] <Akuli> the thing is, i don't want to start my customization by removing stuff
[16:07] <rahtgaz> good grief. You just don't understand the difference between something not working your way and something actually being bad
[16:07] <Akuli> i want to install my stuff and be done
[16:07] <Akuli> rahtgaz, arch is awful to me, and great to others
[16:07] <Akuli> not their fault in any way
[16:08] <mate69247> so you choose your linux flavor based on the default terminal settings? nice..
[16:08] <Akuli> among many other things
[16:08] <ztane> why prefer bash over zsh :?
[16:08] <rahtgaz> I'd only wish you made that clearer everytime this issue comes one right from the start. And not after you are being told about it, some 30 posts later
[16:08] <ztane> (just curious)
[16:08] <Akuli> ztane, why prefer zsh over bash?
[16:08] <ztane> because it's got more functionality
[16:08] <Akuli> ew
[16:09] <Akuli> i don't want more garbage
[16:09] <Akuli> i want something simple and beatiful
[16:09] <rahtgaz> which no shell interpreter actuallyis
[16:10] <Akuli> bash is much closer to what i want than zsh anyway
[16:10] <Akuli> i could configure zsh to do what i need, but bash is that by default so why would i bother
[16:10] <mate69247> me, me, me, me. jeez
[16:10] <RFleming> Greetings!
[16:11] <Akuli> RFleming, welcome to arch vs me fight
[16:11] <rahtgaz> Akuli, that's not bash. That's the distro that is configuring that for you. Try to install bash on a slackware setup[ and you'll hate it more than zsh. I promise you
[16:11] <mate69247> exacly
[16:11] <Akuli> i mean, i'm happier with freebsd csh than arch zsh
[16:11] <mate69247> by default bash has usually not many 'features'
[16:12] <Akuli> even debian /bin/sh
[16:12] <RFleming> Akuli: yeah... I read
[16:12] <RFleming> :)
[16:12] <rahtgaz> now you are just trolling
[16:12] <mate69247> again, zsh is not 'an arch thing'
[16:12] <mate69247> you can use anything
[16:13] <mate69247> and thats the point in arch more then most other distros
[16:13] <Akuli> tell me one thing you do in arch and i can't do in debian.
[16:13] <Akuli> go ahead, should be easy.
[16:13] <mate69247> your clearly not the kind of person who likes to tweak things to his needs in detail, so its not for you.
[16:13] <rahtgaz> wrong challenge
[16:14] <RFleming> Akuli: run packman
[16:14] <Akuli> RFleming, run aptitude
[16:14] <Akuli> it has a game also
[16:14] <mate69247> RFleming, rekt^^
[16:14] <RFleming> lol
[16:15] <mate69247> using the AUR (you wish)
[16:15] <RFleming> mate69247: actually, I believe you can use AUR with pacapt
[16:16] <mate69247> RFleming, shh..:-)
[16:16] <RFleming> I have nothing against Arch...
[16:16] <mate69247> don't know about that. may try that out
[16:17] <RFleming> I just don't prefer it because I got tired of source compiles and playing russian roulette with updates
[16:17] <RFleming> I did LFS for a while, slack, gentoo
[16:17] <Akuli> i hadn't even heard of those problems yet :D
[16:17] <RFleming> got burned by rpm dependency hell
[16:17] <mate69247> theres downside to any distro sadly
[16:17] <RFleming> Debian based distros make sense to me.
[16:18] <RFleming> although I would really like a rolling update style debian distro that wasn't crap
[16:18] <mate69247> one thing arch makes me do is using terminal based applications, so i'm in a different mentality when using it
[16:19] <RFleming> mate69247: I predominantly use Linux in a server environment, so I only use CLI
[16:19] <RFleming> even on my laptop at home, I'll use CLI before GUI... unless it's GUI cosmetic things... and printers.
[16:19] <RFleming> ... gawd, I hate printer support in Linux.
[16:19] <mate69247> sadly its not the best
[16:20] <RFleming> well it's not so much Linux's fault... but everyone who makes printers.  With the exception of HP
[16:20] <RFleming> even Xerox sucks.
[16:20] <mate69247> well, epson also do linux
[16:20] <RFleming> yay
[16:20] <mate69247> (got one)
[16:21] <mate69247> its a shame you have to choose printers that way
[16:21] <mate69247> but its the way
[16:21] <Akuli> i don't use the gui world that much on debian-based distros
[16:21] <RFleming> Let's not go hating on Arch Akuli... instead lets embrace the fact that we are unified in a world without windows and gates :)
[16:21] <mate69247> RFleming, better sit down
[16:21] <mate69247> i have to dual boot!
[16:21] <Akuli> emacs, bash and sysvinit are still the best pieces of softwares ever <3
[16:21]  * RFleming works in a Windows shop :)
[16:22] <mate69247> i like gaming and also need graphics application for work
[16:22] <RFleming> my work computer is Windows 10... with a Mate VM
[16:22] <mate69247> (they often use macs too)
[16:23] <mate69247> software wise, i prefer windows over mac
[16:23] <mate69247> mac is just ALOT prettier
[16:23] <RFleming> Now there's a group of people who feel they're elitist!
[16:23] <mate69247> windows is quite ugly imo
[16:23] <RFleming> Windows 10 is nice
[16:24] <mate69247> depends tho, the graphics guys usually dont care that much
[16:24] <RFleming> I should get the Anniversary edition of Windows 10... then I can run Ubuntu IN Windows
[16:24] <mate69247> they just get mac because its the graphics thing to get
[16:24] <mate69247> usually dont know much about computers (from my expericence)
[16:25] <RFleming> So I just installed beta 1.  Anything I should be looking out for?
[16:25] <mate69247> RFleming, read about that
[16:25] <RFleming> http://www.howtogeek.com/265900/everything-you-can-do-with-windows-10s-new-bash-shell/
[16:25] <RFleming> apparently APT works in it :)
[16:25] <mate69247> can it run vim and ranger btw?
[16:25] <RFleming> I dunno.  I haven't tried it yet
[16:26] <mate69247> these would be reasons to use the fearure
[16:26] <mate69247> damn spelling
[16:32] <mate69247>  btw, anyone got the topmenu applet working for mazilla apps?
[16:34] <mate69247> RFleming, using i3? could make sense on a server
[16:34] <RFleming> funny you should mention that
[16:34] <RFleming> I've just finished installing mate 16.10 beta 1
[16:34] <RFleming> and I'm also installing 16.04 from the mini.iso, so I can experiment with i3w :)
[16:35]  * RFleming looooves virtual machines
[16:35] <mate69247> i3 is really fun to use. but you can invest alot of time into configuring it
[16:36] <mate69247> but its not required per se.
[16:36] <RFleming> I've seen what some arch people have done with twms like awesom and I'm blown away
[16:36] <mate69247> its awesome, i tell 'ya
[16:37] <RFleming> boo
[16:37] <RFleming> that wasn't punny at all
[16:37] <mate69247> ^^
[16:38] <RFleming> I like to play with window managers
[16:38] <mate69247> that was too low, wasnt really intended, but i threw it out anyway
[16:38] <mate69247> yeah. i3 seems to be the sanest to configure compared to other tiling wms from what i know
[16:38] <mate69247> others require lua or haskell and so on
[16:39] <RFleming> one of these days I'm going to create a VM where my vttys 8-12 with different wms and fully experiment
[16:39] <mate69247> why not
[16:39] <RFleming> my wife right now is loving budgie
[16:40] <mate69247> could not try that one, since it did not install
[16:40] <RFleming> if you don't mind turning up a new VM... download budgie-remix and give it a spin
[16:40] <mate69247> i think it had problems with non-uefi mode
[16:40] <RFleming> they're trying to become an official ubuntu flavour
[16:40] <mate69247> (the iso)
[16:41] <RFleming> latest is based off of 16.04
[16:41] <mate69247> i tried the one from the original dev
[16:41] <mate69247> the intel guy
[16:41] <mate69247> whats the distros name?
[16:41] <RFleming> budgie-remix
[16:41] <mate69247> no
[16:41] <mate69247> i dont think that was it, let me look
[16:42] <mate69247> solus os
[16:42] <RFleming> it's the default for Solus
[16:42] <mate69247> that iso didnt install, so i never tried the DE
[16:42] <RFleming> but some dude has created a remix using the budgie wm on top of Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  Everything is ubuntu except the WM
[16:42] <RFleming> it's called budgie-remix
[16:43] <mate69247> right, so is it any good?
[16:43] <RFleming> ya!
[16:43] <mate69247> or better, any advantages?
[16:43] <RFleming> it's very simple
[16:44] <mate69247> features? or something that really sets it apart?
[16:44] <RFleming> it has a sliding panel for notifications and basic config... goes to a control panel for more advanced stuff
[16:44] <RFleming> it's light, minimal and pretty :)
[16:44] <mate69247> the chinese one looked similar
[16:44] <mate69247> didnt try that either
[16:44] <RFleming> it also feels familiar.  Anyone who's used a computer would know how to find stuff
[16:45] <RFleming> Deepin?
[16:45] <mate69247> ye
[16:45] <RFleming> something cool about a DE that's all HTML5 and CSS3 :)
[16:45] <mate69247> oh was it?
[16:45] <mate69247> thats great
[16:45] <RFleming> yep
[16:45] <mate69247> deepin or budgee?
[16:45] <RFleming> deepin
[16:45] <RFleming> I think they've moved away from that though
[16:46] <mate69247> thas really an argument in my book
[16:46] <mate69247> what...why?
[16:46] <mate69247> that would be the reason for me to acually try it
[16:46] <RFleming> performance I believe
[16:46] <mate69247> hmm but...css is not that slow..
[16:47] <mate69247> im no developer tho
[16:47] <mate69247> so who knows
[16:47]  * RFleming shrugs
[16:48] <mate69247> i mean, firefox uses css also for the gui
[16:48] <mate69247> basically
[16:48] <RFleming> I also like pantheon from Elementary OS
[16:48] <mate69247> elementary is really too basic for my taste
[16:48] <mate69247> it looks somewhat pretty and consistent tho
[16:48] <RFleming> maybe so, but I think that was the point
[16:49] <RFleming> most people live in a browser
[16:49] <mate69247> thats right
[16:49] <mate69247> its just not for me i want to say
[16:49] <mate69247> but i also really cant imagine alot of people to be a good target audience though
[16:50] <mate69247> for new users i would still recommend u-mate over that
[16:50] <mate69247> or even mint for that matter
[16:50] <RFleming> eww
[16:51] <Akuli> arch user recommends mint?
[16:51] <mate69247> the built in apps just dont feel mature enough
[16:51] <RFleming> I used to use mint, until I realized what sort of games they are playing with packages and such
[16:51] <Akuli> if you've ever read mint's code you know its barely holding itself together
[16:51] <mate69247> of course. mint was the gateway to many linux users including me.
[16:51] <Akuli> https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117
[16:51] <Akuli> i mean
[16:51] <Akuli> you can't recommend that people go use that
[16:52] <RFleming> Akuli: I believe because of its use... not because of its code :)
[16:52] <mate69247> guys, you have to realize that the normal new user does not care about these things
[16:52] <mate69247> its a easy to use, get feet wet distro
[16:52] <mate69247> and its pretty good at that
[16:52] <Akuli> i mean, i can execute whatever i want as root by just entering a host to block
[16:53] <mate69247> you can move on after you learned a but
[16:53] <mate69247> bit*
[16:53] <RFleming> mate69247: You're correct!  The problem is it's irresponsible :)
[16:53] <RFleming> it's nice to have an open source OS, and a line saying that anything bad happening isn't our fault
[16:54] <RFleming> but it's basically parts duct-taped together, without any effort to fix it.
[16:54] <mate69247> i know what you mean RFleming but the normal user really wont have much issues from that
[16:54] <RFleming> THIS is the primary problem with Linux.
[16:55] <mate69247> linux strenghts are also its weakness, as in big choice can be ofputting
[16:55] <RFleming> there are too many distros, too much opportunity for others to take advantage of the general populous.
[16:56] <mate69247> many users probably dont even attempt linux cause of the sheer amount of shit you can use
[16:56] <RFleming> clem is a great guy, and his intentions were good... but things are turning bad for mint very fast.
[16:57] <mate69247> still gets kudos for starting
[16:57] <RFleming> Mint should die... and Elementary OS should become the defacto noob distro
[16:57] <mate69247> mint was a gateway and i will keep that in mind
[16:57] <RFleming> Hell, I'd recommend Zorin before Mint now :)
[16:57] <mate69247> also ubuntu of course
[16:58] <mate69247> i think manjaro needs also to get credits for some things they did
[16:59] <mate69247> they influenced u-mates greeter didnt they?
[16:59] <mate69247> think ive seen it first there
[16:59] <RFleming> dunno
[16:59] <mate69247> was a great way of giving starting introduction to new users
[17:01] <mate69247> i dont really like any floating DEs....
[17:01] <mate69247> they all have problems
[17:01] <mate69247> not enough configuration, or unstable
[17:01] <mate69247> (KDE)
[17:02] <mate69247> it really boggles my mind how KDE can be such a widly used DE when it always has plasma crashes and having such a slow startup
[17:03] <RFleming> mate69247: I stopped using KDE when I was using Gentoo... got tired of compiling the damned thing.
[17:04] <mate69247> RFleming, thats a reason yeah. too bloaty to compile all the time
[17:04] <RFleming> switched to fluxbox
[17:04] <RFleming> took over a day to compile KDE on an Athlon 64 X2
[17:04] <mate69247> i actually think of incorporating flux into i3..
[17:04] <RFleming> state of the art 2005 technology
[17:04] <mate69247> lol
[17:05] <mate69247> i3 by itself is really good, but it could be nice to have that right click menu you know?
[17:05] <mate69247> just to switch things up
[17:05] <mate69247> dont how if that works tho
[17:05] <RFleming> Alright.  I gotta split for a bit
[17:05] <RFleming> I'll be back in 20 or so.
[17:06] <mate69247> maybe later
[17:37] <mate69247> chrooting worked without problems, writing from arch now
[17:38] <mate69247> only difference is the 'arch-' prefix for chrooting from when i used it
[17:41] <RFleming> ok, back
[17:42] <mate69247> RFleming: hi, just hit here too
[17:43] <mate69247> was fixing the grub loader meanwhile
[17:43] <mate69247> @arch
[17:44] <mate69247> any software recommendation guys?
[17:45] <mate69247> i got i3, ranger, mpv and newsbeuter for you
[17:45] <mate69247> (for the ones that didnt tried one of em yet)
[17:46] <Akuli> mate69247, actually arch- is not the only difference
[17:47] <Akuli> arch-chroot does a bunch of magic, it mounts some stuff for you so their installation instructions are shorter
[17:48] <mate69247> i did it from within ubuntu and i had to manually bind /dev and /proc
[17:48] <mate69247> so 'arch-' might do that for you
[17:49] <Akuli> actually thats exactly what it does
[17:50] <Akuli> in your chroot run which arch-chroot, and then go read that file
[17:50] <Akuli> its just a bash script
[17:50] <mate69247> great then
[17:50] <RFleming> man Ubuntu mini boots fast :)
[17:50] <mate69247> a plus in my book
[17:50] <mate69247> you can run the normal chroot as well i think
[17:51] <Akuli> of course
[17:51] <Akuli> RFleming, yes it does
[17:51] <mate69247> because you complained on that before
[17:51] <RFleming> takes longer to post!
[17:51] <Akuli> i've enjoyed that mininess for quite a while now on some computers
[17:52] <Akuli> mate69247, i'm just feeling like some people might learn to use arch-chroot and never learn to use real chroot
[17:52] <mate69247> so whats the best debian mini distro?
[17:52] <Akuli> i like devuan
[17:52] <Akuli> no systemd by default
[17:53] <mate69247> might check that out
[17:53] <mate69247> got u-mate as a side distro for now
[17:56] <mate69247> only problem i found with CLI apps is the buffer not being shared between terminals that easy
[17:56] <mate69247> got something on that?
[17:57] <newshound68> does anyone know if Hexchat can be run from the cmd line, ie. non GUI? thanks in advance
[17:57] <mate69247> newshound68: just as a note: try weechat
[17:58] <mate69247> didnt look into hexchat having support for that, but weechat is one of the best terminal ones
[17:59] <newshound68> mate69247: thanks, and then I just look for this chat forum on there?
[17:59] <mate69247> newshound68: can you rephrase please?
[18:00] <mate69247> its a terminal based irc client and you can access any channel like normal
[18:00] <newshound68> ok thanks ;)
[18:00] <mate69247> also this channel if you mean that
[18:01] <mate69247> check the beginners guide
[18:01] <mate69247> on the web
[18:02] <mate69247> but its of cousr i a little bit harder to use, since you have to type everything in, as terminal based apps tend to require
[18:02] <RFleming> I believe irssi is a CLI IRC client
[18:02] <mate69247> (using weechat right now myself)
[18:02] <mate69247> RFleming: it is
[18:02] <mate69247> weechat has a bit more features i think
[18:03] <mate69247> i didnt try irssi myself, as i was happy with weechat
[18:03] <mate69247> but you might wanna check it out
[18:04] <mate69247> newshound68: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_quickstart.en.html
[18:07] <newshound68> right so im running weechat via ssh on another machine. says : "command join must be executed on irc buffer (server or channel) ...???
[18:08] <mate69247> newshound68: did you follow the steps in the linked guide?
[18:09] <mate69247> after adding a server, you /connect NAMEYOUGAVESERVER
[18:09] <mate69247> and then /join #ubuntu-mate for instance
[18:11] <RFleming> haha
[18:11] <RFleming> just installed i3 on my mini ubuntu
[18:12] <mate69247> nice
[18:12] <RFleming> surprised i3 doesn't have xinit as a dependency  :)
[18:12] <newshound68> mate69247 it aint exactly a dummies guide but i guess i will crack it ...
[18:12] <Akuli> i don't actually have xinit installed on this ubuntu-mate
[18:13] <Akuli> lightdm does the work for m
[18:13] <Akuli> e
[18:13] <mate69247> newshound68: you just have to add a server before the stuff i wrote up there
[18:13] <RFleming> Akuli: I'm using a minimal ubuntu install (from mini.iso) and installed i3.  i3 won't run without a display
[18:13] <mate69247> newshound68: /server add freenode chat.freenode.net
[18:13] <RFleming> and it doesn't install startx :)
[18:13] <Akuli> i don't have startx
[18:14] <Akuli> but i am running x
[18:14] <mate69247> i just use plain startx on my archbox
[18:14] <mate69247> don't have the need for a login manager myself
[18:15] <mate69247>  /display manager
[18:16] <newshound68> mate69247: done that, now what?
[18:16] <mate69247> done what?
[18:16] <mate69247> adding?
[18:16] <newshound68> added freenode srver
[18:16] <mate69247> can you scroll up a bit?
[18:16] <mate69247> its all there
[18:17] <mate69247> here on the chat, not hte guide
[18:17] <mate69247> the first freenode was the name you gave the server btw
[18:18] <mate69247> so you have to use that instead of the placeholder
[18:18] <mate69247> i type that fast..:/connect freenode
[18:19] <mate69247>  /join #ubuntu-mate
[18:20] <mate69247> newshound681: worked?
[18:20] <newshound681> mate69247: ah, got it. thanks so much
[18:20] <mate69247> newshound681: np mate
[18:20] <mate69247> you can eve split windows and stuff like that
[18:21] <newshound681> am going to login via my 1983 Tandy now! :)
[18:21] <Akuli> ...so its basically emacs but its meant to be an irc client?
[18:21] <mate69247> switch between buffers with alt+arrow
[18:22] <mate69247> well, like most good cli programs it draws from either emacs or vim
[18:22] <mate69247> i have not much experice with emacs myself
[18:22] <mate69247> i use vim in the terminal
[18:23] <mate69247> but im fairly new to it. gone the full blown way though and have all kinds of programs using the vim key scheme\
[18:24] <mate69247> its fun and efficient to use the KB only
[18:26] <mate69247> definitely check out ranger as a file manager if you havent
[18:26] <mate69247> (and dont hate vim bindings)
[18:26] <Akuli> i've never saved a file succesfully on vim
[18:26] <mate69247> lol
[18:27] <Akuli> vim is like arch to me, not my thing at all but i understand that others love it
[18:28] <mate69247> it requires the will to learn completly new things. i can understand that its offputting
[18:28] <mate69247> you will be very bad at the beginning
[18:28] <mate69247> and be slow like a turtle
[18:28] <mate69247> its a good reason not to get involved
[18:29] <mate69247> but if you can see the potential, it can be worth it
[18:30] <mate69247> i already edit a bit faster then with a gui editor i think, and im not using vim that long
[18:31] <RFleming> Akuli: if you feel that way about Vim, what are your feelings on Emacs? :)
[18:31] <Akuli> so far i'm happy with it
[18:31] <mate69247> thats even more complicated isnt it?
[18:32] <Akuli> i've gotten started with it, and i'm familiar with it so i like it
[18:32] <mate69247> (didnt really used it in a long time)
[18:33] <mate69247> Akuli: thanks to you, we still don't have all the future tech seen in scifi :-)
[18:35] <mate69247> Akuli: next time, just hit ZZ btw. it will be your first save
[18:35] <mate69247> or type :w
[18:35] <Akuli> i already know emacs and nano so why would i learn a third editor :)
[18:36] <mate69247> good point.
[18:36] <Akuli> when i used git on windows a while ago i configured it to use notepad instead of the vim it came with :D
[18:36] <Akuli> then all my programming friends were like oh my god akuli u suck
[18:36] <mate69247> regular notepad?
[18:36] <Akuli> yes, regular windows xp notepad
[18:36] <mate69247> or ++
[18:36] <Akuli> i used what i had
[18:37] <mate69247> well. sure
[18:37] <mate69247> probably the least feature rich editor ever?
[18:38] <Akuli> i was going to use ms dos edit but somehow it just didn't work with git cmd
[18:38] <Akuli> basically i wanted an equivalent to nano, but i didn't want to install anything
[18:39] <mate69247> nano..its just the default terminal editor for most distros. i just liked that it displays the most used bindings on the bottom
[18:40] <mate69247> vim should have better feedback that way imo
[18:40] <mate69247> ranger does it pretty good, as if you start a motion, it will give you a popup of the things you could use in combination
[18:40] <Akuli> i used it for you know commit messages and stuff
[18:41] <mate69247> like if you type 'y' it gives you a list of what kind of yanks you could do
[18:41] <Akuli> sounds like zsh
[18:41] <mate69247> kinda
[18:41] <Akuli> in nano i see a ^G Help in the bottom left corner
[18:42] <mate69247> go on
[18:42] <Akuli> i like it that way
[18:42] <Akuli> i can just type ^G and i'm reading instructions
[18:42] <mate69247> and so you could man it or --help it
[18:43] <mate69247> some apps also give you the ?
[18:43] <Akuli> ...except that there's no man on windows
[18:43] <RFleming> OK, windows subsystem for Linux time
[18:43] <Akuli> and git vim can't be ran from git cmd for whatever reason
[18:43] <Akuli> RFleming, its windows 10 fanciness
[18:43] <Akuli> i'm talking about the xp system i used a couple weeks ago
[18:43] <mate69247> why would you do that?
[18:43] <mate69247> xp i mean
[18:43] <Akuli> use xp or use windows 10 or what?
[18:44] <Akuli> oh
[18:44] <Akuli> because i forgot the power cord for my laptop
[18:44] <Akuli> and i didn't have an empty cd for installing linux
[18:44] <mate69247> old school haxor
[18:44] <Akuli> i actually liked working with xp
[18:44] <Akuli> all my stuff just worked great
[18:44] <mate69247> xp was good times honestly
[18:45] <mate69247> kinda the golden age of windows
[18:45] <Akuli> 12 years of updates, latest firefox, malwarebytes anti-exploit... nice and secure :)
[18:45] <mate69247> and stuff
[18:45] <Akuli> not to forget
[18:45] <Akuli> commmon sense
[18:45] <mate69247> personally i rarly had any issues with security
[18:46] <Akuli> i haven't had either
[18:46] <mate69247> i think i got one nasty virus
[18:46] <mate69247> one time
[18:46] <Akuli> same here
[18:46] <Akuli> back then i knew nothing about removing them :(
[18:46] <mate69247> yeah
[18:46] <mate69247> was newish myself
[18:46] <mate69247> got it from an internet cafe when that ws a thing
[18:47] <mate69247> usb stick
[18:47] <Akuli> i have an awesome internet as you can see
[18:48] <mate69247> rules
[18:48] <mate69247> you missed that i catched it from an internet cafe via usb
[18:49] <Akuli> i think i got it through an ad
[18:49] <Akuli> it didn't do much though, just disabled my avast and slowed down the computer a lot
[18:49] <mate69247> ublockorigin these days
[18:49] <Akuli> same here
[18:49] <Akuli> nowadays i'd just start in task manager and regedit, or avast's boot time scan or kaspersky rescue disk or whatever
[18:50] <mate69247> when i got better with tech i threw anti virus out the window on windows
[18:50] <Akuli> me too :)
[18:50] <Akuli> malwarebytes anti-exploit is nice and light-weight
[18:51] <mate69247> last time i used anti virus is several years ago, and never got problems (from what i know)
[18:51] <mate69247> could only get trojan
[18:51] <mate69247> but you never know on windows and anti virus wont save you from that anyway
[18:52] <mate69247> brain.exe is best
[18:52] <Akuli> antiviruses are stupid
[18:53] <Akuli> they start protecting after someone has already gotten infected
[18:53] <Akuli> anti-exploit programs do that before someone gets infected
[18:54] <mate69247> ive used sandboxie for many years
[18:55] <mate69247> found it to be a good program
[18:56] <mate69247> dont use it right now though, since i use windows mainly for gaming these days and some anti ccheat programs detect sandboie as a evil hacker tool
[18:56] <mate69247> got banned because of that shit
[18:58] <newshound681> .
[18:59] <newshound681> i was just making a point lol :)
[19:02] <mate69247> newshound681: good job
[19:03] <newshound681> mate69247: why has my nick been changed from newshound68 to newshound681? is it because someone already owns it?
[19:04] <mate69247> newshound681: might be, change buffers with alt+arrows to see waht the log says on freenode
[19:04] <rfleming> Greetings!
[19:05] <rfleming> I am speaking to you from irssi installed on Linux subsystem for Windows (Beta)
[19:05] <rfleming> which is running on a version of trusty
[19:05] <rfleming> really weird to run apt on windows :)
[19:05] <mate69247> bot detected
[19:06] <rfleming> I tried to use weechat, but it gave me an out-of-memory error
[19:06] <mate69247> ban initiated
[19:06] <mate69247> what about vim and ranger though rfleming ?
[19:06] <newshound681>  Q
[19:07] <rfleming> lemme check
[19:07] <mate69247> newshound681: now you wrote a Q, your'e making progress
[19:07] <rfleming> vim comes preinstalled...
[19:07] <rfleming> ranger seems to function
[19:08] <mate69247> nais
[19:08] <mate69247> what direcrories do you see there?
[19:08] <mate69247> whats hte root?
[19:08] <mate69247> ubuntu or windows
[19:09] <rfleming> it appears ubuntu
[19:09] <mate69247> as i thought
[19:09] <mate69247> would be nice if you could navigate windows there
[19:09] <rfleming> am looking :)
[19:10] <rfleming> yes
[19:10] <rfleming> everything is in /mnt
[19:10] <rfleming> /mnt/c/Users/RFleming/Desktop indeed exists
[19:10] <mate69247> cool
[19:11] <rfleming> this is weird
[19:11] <rfleming> really weird
[19:11] <rfleming> this is like the inverse of WINE
[19:12] <mate69247> kinda
[19:12] <rfleming> every CLI app I've run works.  I installed cream, and it complains about no X
[19:12] <mate69247> i rather try gpu passthrough thogh
[19:12] <rfleming> I'm kinda afraid to try and install X :)
[19:13] <mate69247> i doubt it works
[19:13] <rfleming> oh snap!
[19:14] <mate69247> runnung full ubuntu now?
[19:14] <rfleming> get an external X server and then you can run gui stuff
[19:15] <rfleming> DISPLAY=:0 cream works a treat
[19:16] <rfleming> going to install i3 and see what happens
[19:16] <mate69247> sadly you wont be ablt to actually manage the windows windows
[19:17] <badila> hi all
[19:17] <mate69247> badila: hi
[19:18] <rfleming> wow
[19:19] <mate69247> go on
[19:33] <mate69247> rfleming: so, whats the wow thing?
[19:33] <mate69247> gotta run, waiting a sec
[19:35] <mate69247> gone
[19:53] <rfleming> exit
[19:53] <rfleming> quit
[19:56] <newshoun168> _
[22:12] <tiox> Alright that was weird.
[22:12] <tiox> My system's load average was somewhere around 200+
[22:13] <tiox> And it was all because of Firefox's memory going ape.
[22:14] <tiox> Like, load average calculation on MATE's indicator panel maxes at 20 and I was ten times that.
[22:36] <sanuel> possible plex server in ubuntu mate