[00:07] <Biessie> Once20.04 releases, 19.10 support drops?
[00:08] <oerheks> 19.10 support will end 20.07, 9 mo
[00:32] <hmmmm> hi, i have Xubuntu 19.04 installed, but to get metasploit I added the Kali package repository
[00:32] <oerheks> hmmmm, that makes a not-ubuntu installation, good luck with that.
[00:32] <hmmmm> then when i sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade, it started updating all my xubuntu packages with kali linux packages... when i rebooted it went to a blank black screen with a blinking underscore
[00:33] <hmmmm> help?
[00:33] <hmmmm> how do i undo this?
[00:33] <oerheks> reinstall xubuntu.
[00:33] <hmmmm> i have a home directory that i don't want wiped out though
[00:33] <oerheks> but take 19.10, that is supported.
[00:34] <Jordan_U> hggdh: The Ubuntu installer will allow you to reinstall while preserving your home directory, even without /home on a separate partition.
[00:34] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: ^^
[00:34] <oerheks> true.
[00:34] <hmmmm> really?
[00:34] <hmmmm> should i try to back up with a livecd just in case?
[00:35] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: Backups are always a good idea.
[00:35] <hmmmm> also, why is this even possible in the first place?
[00:35] <o0> hmmmm: https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework/wiki/Nightly-Installers
[00:35] <hmmmm> doesn't it make sense that you'd add alternate repositories to get one piece of software, not everything?
[00:35] <oerheks> "if you have no backup of your precious data, it is not important"
[00:36] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: If you add a repository with packages that are newer than the ones you have installed, they will be installed automatically. There are ways to add repositories without that happening, but it is not the default.
[00:36] <hmmmm> this is ridiculous, it's an apt beginner's trap
[00:36] <exit70> also consider whether there is disk/home encryption
[00:37] <hmmmm> how could've i anticipated it would destroy my installation
[00:37] <oerheks> err, you understand kali messes around with privelidges and apparmor?
[00:37] <hmmmm> no, did not know that
[00:37] <oerheks> it is not ubuntu anymore
[00:37] <oerheks> one should run that in a VM, kvm preferrably
[00:38] <oerheks> vbox is too easy to escape
[00:38] <oerheks> grinn
[00:39] <exit70> or just pick an old laptop
[01:17] <hmmmm> hey guys, how do i reinstall ubuntu if it was previously installed with a single LVM partition?
[01:18] <hmmmm> i am in the installer, i selected "Something else", and it gives me the screen where you manually edit the partitions.  /dev/mapper/vgxubuntu-root i set the mount point to / with the same ext4 fs, unselected "Format?", didn't need to change anything for the swap partition, and it doesn't give me any options for /dev/sda1
[01:19] <hmmmm> ...is this right?
[01:20] <hmmmm> well i just went for it, the installer gave a warning that the directory structure won't be deleted, so i guess that's reassuring
[01:23] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: Sorry for the late answer, but that seems right. Do you have a UEFI based machine, and did /dev/sda1 end up being a fat32 partition mounted at /boot/efi/ ?
[01:23] <hmmmm> i don't remember what i put for the bootloader type in the original installation
[01:23] <hmmmm> it didn't say anything for partition type in //dev/sda1 - no details
[01:25] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: Did you choose the option that lets you run other programs while the installer is running? If so, can you open a terminal and pastebin the output of "mount"? That should hopefully clear up how the partitions are being used. Either way, you probably have things setup correctly.
[01:27] <hmmmm> https://nYiWicvc
[01:27] <hmmmm> oops
[01:27] <hmmmm> https://pastebin.com/nYiWicvc
[01:28] <hmmmm> oh this doesn't sound good... "Error restoring installed applications - an error occured while restoring previously-installed applications.  The installation will continue, but you may have to manually reinstall some applications after the computer reboots" - actually that doesn't sound terrible
[01:28] <hmmmm> oh dammit i forgot to backup the tftp server config
[01:30] <hmmmm> but other than that, we're back!
[01:32] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: Have you successfully rebooted? I don't see any EFI System Partition mounted. Is your computer configured to boot via UEFI?
[01:33] <hmmmm> oh, no, EFI was disabled
[01:33] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: That error likely refers to applications you had installed from Kali's repositories.
[01:34] <hmmmm> and yes, i have successfully rebooted
[01:34] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: Great, then sda1 is probably being used as a BIOS Boot Parititon (which has no filesystem, and thus doesn't get mounted).
[01:37] <hmmmm> i think i'm mostly back on track now
[01:37] <hmmmm> thanks
[01:37] <Jordan_U> hmmmm: You're welcome.
[01:49] <al_nz1> in a dir -l ls drwxrwxrwx+ 1002 65534 users 20480 Mar 30 13:37 - what does the 1002 and 65534 mean?
[02:01] <exit70> uid and gid
[02:02] <rfm> al_nz1, number of links to the file (1002 is a lot, what is going on) and uid of owner (numeric because apparently 65534 isn't used in your /etc/passwd)
[02:02] <exit70> hmm ignore my answer
[02:02] <al_nz1> rfm: thanks. Re the link
[02:03] <al_nz1> links - its a file structure created by a NAS - has lots of sub dirs
[02:04] <rfm> al_nz1, ok, all those subdirs have the '..' link pointing back up.  (65534 is usually "nobody", btw)
[02:05] <al_nz1> what do you mean by .. ? as in when you cdup with cd ../ ?
[02:06] <rfm> al_nz1, yes, every directory contains a entry named ".." which is a link to the parent.  That's why "cd .." takes you up a level...
[02:11] <al_nz1> so the ".." is related to the 1002?
[02:13] <rfm> al_nz1, yes, presumably the directory has 1001 subdirectories, each with its .. link and the parent of the directory you are listing has a link down into it, making 1002
[02:20] <al_nz1> Thanks rfm
[02:32] <al_nz1> rfm: is 0 = root?
[02:32] <al_nz1> in the context of chown 65534:0
[02:53] <GoneViral> al_nz1: no it is not
[02:53] <GoneViral> al_nz1: the second parameter is the group ID
[02:56] <Jordan_U> GoneViral:nA UID or GID of 0 is root.
[02:56] <Jordan_U> al_nz1: ^^
[02:57] <GoneViral> al_nz1: ah yes.
[02:57] <GoneViral> isn't it a bit abnormal for nobody:root permissions?
[02:59] <GoneViral> (sorry for the confusion, also. I'm used to seeing wheel because I'm old)
[04:42] <jashacharjee> Hello, everyone
[06:46] <YogaRolf> Hi. I am having problems with my Wifi Drivers. I just installed Ubuntu. My PC Name is LEnovo V145-15AST. Can someone please help?:)
[06:47] <YogaRolf> I am connecting Currently Through My Telephones Connection
[06:48] <ktosiek> YogaRolf: describe what is the problem and what you've done so far, maybe someone will know how to fix it
[06:48] <ktosiek> also, do you know what kind of Wi-Fi card you have?
[06:49] <mkquist> YogaRolf: maybe - https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=297105
[06:50] <YogaRolf> I have not done anything. Only it does not work, it does not connect to internet. ok thanks Will try
[06:53] <mkquist> YogaRolf: same question that ktosiek asked tho...  wifi card?
[06:53] <YogaRolf> hmm
[06:54] <mkquist> YogaRolf: and do you know if your system 'sees ' it?  like what does lspci give?
[06:54] <YogaRolf> not sure how do i check what i have
[06:54] <YogaRolf> 2sec
[06:54] <mkquist> try opening a terminal and typing 'lspci'
[06:55] <YogaRolf> ok. i am just waiting for Lutris first installing
[06:56] <YogaRolf> I am connected through phone atm
[06:56] <mkquist> YogaRolf: or maybe inxi -n
[06:56] <mkquist> YogaRolf: 'inxi -n
[06:57] <mkquist> YogaRolf: and have you checked to see if any drivers are suggested by mint?.... sorry 2 questions in a quick row... take your time
[06:57] <YogaRolf> realtek
[06:58] <YogaRolf> But i dont have mint, I have UBuntu though
[06:59] <mkquist> YogaRolf: sorry same thing underneath...so it will work too
[06:59] <mkquist> YogaRolf: wrong channel but the info is the same... =)
[06:59] <YogaRolf> thanks.oki:) ITs updating something now autmatic maybe works after
[08:00] <YogaRolf> Thanks. Working now. But I wonder how to use Vulkan. And if my computer supports Vulkan? It is supposed to be better graphics I hear. Hmm
[08:21] <Bomber4Chats> 7th time or more that I try to install / reinstall linux mint on my MSI comp. and I keep getting to the initramfs console on boot, and when exiting it says it cannot find the UUID of the / partition, even though the UUID mentioned is 1-to-1 what is in the /etc/fstab file...
[08:21] <Bomber4Chats> I am using an /boot/efi partition, or at least I'm trying to do so
[08:21] <Ben64> Mint has it's own support channel, #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[08:21] <Hamilton> Is hibernate disabled by default on 18.04? Then why could I do sudo systemctl hibernate? (but it didn't work on poweron)
[08:22] <Bomber4Chats> Ben64 pretty dead channel. I'd like to believe people in the Ubuntu channel might be familiar with this "UUID does not exist" error
[08:23] <Ben64> This channel is only for Ubuntu issues
[08:24] <Bomber4Chats> linux mint runs on ubuntu, no? It says on boot that it runs a <IP_ADDRESS> image
[08:24] <Ben64> It isn't Ubuntu, it's based on Ubuntu
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Bomber4Chats: Ben64 just explained you we cant support it
[08:25] <Bomber4Chats>  ¯\(°_o)/¯   So I don't have linux mint, I have Ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> ^_^'
[08:25] <Bomber4Chats> k, nm. hoping someone will be willing to help in private
[08:27] <rory> <IP_ADDRESS> sounds like a Linux kernel version, this will be across all distros, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora... this is specifically Ubuntu only support, because Linux Mint is similar enough to lull you into a sense of false security, then confuse you with a difference.
[08:27] <Bomber4Chats> but the kernel boots the same across all distros, doesn't it?
[08:27] <Bomber4Chats> just the boot sequence
[08:28] <rory> yes but this is support for Ubuntu, similar to how you can't take your Vauxhall to a Ford garage even though they both use gasoline
[09:16] <sonnenfinsternis> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Radeon Vega Graphics (3,49GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,8 GiB Total (2,8 GiB Free) Swap: 8,4 GiB Total (8,4 GiB Free) • Storage: 11,9 GB / 24,2 GB (12,3 GB Free) • VGA: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] • Uptime: 1h 41m 35s
[09:17] <sonnenfinsternis> sorry, didn't meant to send this
[09:48] <juanonymous> question about cron
[09:48] <juanonymous> is this correct?
[09:49] <juanonymous> https://pastebin.com/5sikWa2b
[09:49] <juanonymous> the bash file contains update and upgrade
[09:49] <juanonymous> then i wanted to reboot every month
[09:50] <juanonymous> not sure im doing it right, just to clarify
[09:52] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:54] <Ben64> juanonymous: no
[09:54] <juanonymous> how do i do that?
[09:55] <juanonymous> sorry, can you guide me.
[09:55] <juanonymous> thanks
[09:55] <Ben64> I would suggest rebooting manually, and maybe doing upgrades manually as well, just update and upgrade won't get you everything
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> juanonymous: try     @monthly [command] && sudo reboot now ... https://crontab.guru/every-month
[09:59] <Ben64> seems like a good way to lose data, unexpected automatic reboot
[10:07] <dbugger> Hi guys. I have a small crisis here. My PC boot. It shows a message of "recovering journal". What can I do??
[10:07] <dbugger> My PC won't boot now. I'm in root shell from the recovery mode
[10:08] <dbugger> I tried a fsck -f / but it says "/dev/sda5 is already mounted"
[10:08] <dbugger> What can I do??
[10:12] <sixwheeledbeast> you can't fsck a device that's mounted
[10:14] <dbugger> Does that mean I have to use a live CD?
[10:15] <juanonymous> ok Ben64
[10:15] <sixwheeledbeast> If you have a an issue at boot that need fsck I would use a live image and while booting the live image I think you hold Esc to get the splash screen you can select Check disks
[10:16] <sixwheeledbeast> Either that or you can just boot the live image and use gparted to run a fsck
[10:16] <dbugger> I will do that
[10:16] <dbugger> Let's see
[10:18] <dbugger> Running
[10:19] <sixwheeledbeast> If you use gparted make sure it's not mounted and right click then Check
[10:20] <dbugger> If it was mounted, I wouldn't be able to check it, no?
[10:21] <sixwheeledbeast> I think it should tell you and you have to force it, you shouldn't fsck a mounted device you'll cause data loss
[10:21] <dbugger> https://paste.pics/fcdcef65522adeaebd862c7629e403e1
[10:21] <dbugger> It's green
[10:23] <dbugger> This is what I'm getting now
[10:23] <dbugger> https://paste.pics/c2e4288d686c491eb66fae1982cb9237
[10:23] <dbugger> When I boot
[10:23] <dbugger> The message about the journal is gone, but it's still not booting
[10:24] <sixwheeledbeast> just wait a little
[10:25] <dbugger> Ok. I will
[10:25] <dbugger> 15 minutes should suffice?
[10:26] <sixwheeledbeast> I was thinking more like a couple of minutes. what does it display now?
[10:26] <dbugger> Still the same...
[10:31] <dbugger> No change
[10:34] <sixwheeledbeast> did gparted complete on the correct drive?
[10:35] <dbugger> There is only one
[10:39] <sixwheeledbeast> You could try to fsck again with the live image, always make sure its not mounted first. You could mount the drive to see if your stuff it there and maybe back it up if that's of concern. After that you could try to manually repair boot or reinstall Ubuntu over the top keeping your documents.
[10:43] <dbugger> I have Timeshift installed. Maybe doing a restore from yesterday could help??
[10:48] <dbugger> sixwheeledbeast: isn't gparted going fsdk?
[10:50] <sixwheeledbeast> gparted should have done fsck with the check option? yo could run fsck from a terminal manually if you want
[10:51] <itxo> Can I install some package from a private repo (specifically https://jitsi.org/downloads/) without actually adding the repo to my sources and trusting their keys, etc.?
[10:51] <itxo> I wouldn't mind generally, but I'd like to avoid querying these repos every time I apt update
[10:52] <dbugger> sixwheeledbeast: could you confirm me which command exactly should I run?
[10:55] <sixwheeledbeast> fsck  and then the partition
[10:55] <dbugger> I mean the exact commands
[10:56] <dbugger> For the first, I used "fsck -f /dev/sda5". Is that correct?
[10:56] <sixwheeledbeast> I have no idea where your partitions are but if you believe its sda5 then "sudo fsck /dev/sda5"
[10:57] <dbugger> Yeah, I did that. I get the same message I get when I try to not normally, and it freezes
[10:57] <dbugger> (but now it doesn't, obviously)
[11:06] <juanonymous> MonkeyDust thanks
[11:13] <dbugger> sixwheeledbeast: someone suggested that it has nothing to do with the file system
[11:13] <dbugger> But then I have no idea where to look
[11:14] <Gemosa> hi
[11:15] <Gemosa> I need help. I have Asus notebook PC and hidden partition with OEM Ubuntu. Now i run Win10. I wanna delete Win10 and boot from OEM-ubuntu partition and install. How?
[11:22] <ufk> hi
[11:23] <ufk> i deleted /etc/postgresql directory.. i purge and reinstall postgresql-* packages but still it doesn't re-create that config file. what do i do?
[11:25] <ufk> ahh never mind i didn't --purge
[11:47] <Dbugger> Well, I found a Windows Machine to connect from :P
[11:47] <Dbugger> But still, I need to find a way to restore my Ubuntu :/
[11:51] <tomreyn> Gemosa: if you have an OEM installation then you'd best seek support with the OEM, since it can differ from standard installations.
[11:52] <tomreyn> Gemosa: alternatively you could do a standard installation by writing the installer to an usb stick and booting off that. but you may end up without vendor specific customizations, software and drivers then.
[11:57] <Gemosa> ok, thanks
[13:13] <rando22> hello
[13:29] <Dwarf> Any way of getting OpenSSH 8.2 on Ubuntu without having to compile it myself?
[13:29] <Dwarf> Ubuntu 18.04 that is
[13:34] <erle-> What is the simplest way to reset my sources.lst to the defaults?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> erle-, in your package manager
[13:36] <Hamilton1> Is Hibernate *disabled* by default on ubuntu?
[13:37] <erle-> maybe if you don't have enough swap
[13:38] <tomreyn> Dwarf: maybe you'll find a newer version on a PPA
[13:39] <tomreyn> !ppa | Dwarf
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: Is there a particular reason that you need the latest OpenSSH version installed on your machine/
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> ??
[13:52] <Dwarf> pragmaticenigma: OpenSSH enables usage of U2F security keys with certificate authentication
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: Do you need client support of that feature, or server level?
[13:54] <Dwarf> It seems that the server also needs to be version >=8.2 in order to support it, though I couldn't find any documentation on this
[13:55] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: It sounds like something that both client and server would need to support, correct. I'm trying to understand your usage case, are you trying to connect somewhere, or just looking to harden your personal systems?
[13:57] <Dwarf> My client is 8.2, my Ubuntu server is stuck on whatever Bionic ships
[13:58] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: Bionic is 7.6, it's something I would caution against trying to upgrade as it may break other things on your system
[13:59] <Dwarf> A shame. Guess I'll have to wait for the next LTS then
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: Eoan (19.10) has 8.0, and the upcoming Focal (20.04) will only go to 8.1 for now. I suspect that the feature your seeking is accompanied by other buggy features which is why Ubuntu is staying a little behind for now
[14:00] <Dwarf> Aw
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> Dwarf: you might want to look into the documentation... it's possible the feature has been backported
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> at least in Ubuntu versions support the 8.x series
[14:06] <spython01> good morning/afternoon/evening
[14:06] <spython01> What Ubuntu-based distributions do people recommend for young kids?  I know it comes down more to desktop environment but was thinking of repurposing an old Thinkpad for our 6 year old now that she has more online activities to do for school.
[14:06] <sixwheeledbeast> Dwarf: I think your left with just building it
[14:07] <Nyle> Invite me to #ubuntu-offtopic, then ban me for talking too much.
[14:07] <Nyle> You people are mental.
[14:07] <Nyle> Ban me here too.  Ban me here too. What are you waiting for?  Ban me here too. Go on. Show me how loving your 'humanity' ubuntu community is.
[14:08] <Nyle> Hurting other innocent people and their minds/emotions.  I hope you die soon.
[14:10] <crooksey> Nyle: chill, this is a community support group, not twitter
[14:10] <sixwheeledbeast> Dwarf: this guide and PPA maybe useful https://cryptsus.com/blog/how-to-configure-openssh-with-yubikey-security-keys-u2f-otp-authentication-ed25519-sk-ecdsa-sk-on-ubuntu-18.04.html
[14:10] <Nyle> No it's okay. Im' done with these racist aholes.
[14:10] <Nyle> Just done.
[14:10] <Nyle> Humanity. Ubuntu.   That's all I gotta say.
[14:10] <sixwheeledbeast> >.>
[14:10] <Nyle> Do whatever you want. Ban me. Dont' ban me. I don't care. You've shown me your true colors.
[14:10] <Nyle> :)
[14:11] <Dwarf> Nyle: If you're only going to rant I suggest you /part and take some time away from the keyboard
[14:11] <Nyle> Wait, I don't you should say anymore after someoen says that they no longer care.
[14:13] <sixwheeledbeast> Maybe they'll see the phuny side later...
[14:46] <malekmaroc7> Hello!
[14:47] <malekmaroc7> I wanted to try Ubuntu but ran into a Problem/Bug. It boots fine, but after some minutes it freezes all of a sudden. What is the problem?
[14:50] <JumpinJack> Hi Everyone - I am attempting to remote into VNC on a cloud machine I have setup. The firewall rules on teh cloud side are all correct, but I think that the OS is blocking the ports for VNC. I have disabed UFW and IPTABLES on the OS side. I there somethiing I am missing. I am running Ubuntu 16 LTS
[14:52] <malekmaroc7> Hello!
[14:53] <malekmaroc7> I wanted to try Ubuntu but it freezes after some minutes all of a sudden. What's the problem?
[14:54] <pavlos> malekmaroc7: how much memory do you have?
[14:54] <malekmaroc7> You mean RAM? pavlos
[14:55] <pavlos> yes
[14:55] <malekmaroc7> 1.8 GB
[14:55] <malekmaroc7> (2048 MB)
[14:56] <malekmaroc7> ...I hope that's not the problem...
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> That's a bit low
[14:56] <malekmaroc7> Yeah just a bit
[14:56] <pavlos> malekmaroc7: it is the min requirement for ubuntu 18.04 ... More memory would be better
[14:57] <malekmaroc7> I wanted to use Ubuntu 19.10 btw
[14:57] <malekmaroc7> yeah more would be better though
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> Current recommend system specifications are 2Ghz dual core processor, 4 GiB System Memory
[14:58] <malekmaroc7> O_O
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> malekmaroc7: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[14:58] <malekmaroc7> Well, what OS Version could you suggest for me?
[14:59] <pavlos> malekmaroc7: can you run inxi in a terminal? post the output ... inxi -F | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> It's not a matter of versions... those system specifications have the recommendation for awhile now. You might have some luck using a different flavor such as Xubuntu, or Lubuntu.  I'll try that out and I will say the result.
[15:03] <JumpinJack> I did a vncserver :9 to use port 5909
[15:04] <JumpinJack> when I use nmap or telnet to check to see if  port 5909 is open, I am get indiications that the port is close.
[15:05] <JumpinJack> It may still be an issue with the cloud provider (its NOT AWS or Azure, which are VERY straightforward)
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> JumpinJack: Is there a display for VNC to attach to?
[15:05] <JumpinJack> yes, there are NO errors. when VNC starts, All indications are an error with port not eing opened.
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> JumpinJack: Is the VNC server process seen in "top" or similar process viewer?
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> JumpinJack: ps -aux | egrep -i vnc
[15:12] <pavlos> JumpinJack: maybe you're running vino-server
[15:17] <pavlos> JumpinJack: just tested on a VM ... on server: running vino-server, netstat -at shows 5900 listening, on client: vncviewer <ip> it connects
[15:29] <oeuvre> FREE ANASTASIUS
[15:29] <mustmodify> the roman emporer?
[15:30] <oeuvre> yes
[15:30] <oeuvre> also you guys should start using windows 95 instead
[15:30] <mustmodify> Good morning. I replaced my router and restarted my ubuntu and windows machines. Windows is working but ubuntu machine didn't grab an IP address... I tried `dhclient` and it still does not have an address. What's the next step for troubleshooting?
[15:30] <mustmodify> https://media.trillian.im/media/?m=aW1hZ2UvcG5nLDY1OSwxMTcxLNkHpRluTmuzrL3H1WAD47gzljG9Wdla0bWIhQnZO8n6
[15:31] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify: make sure the cables are firmly attached at both the router and the computer
[15:31] <mustmodify> I'll verify.
[15:32] <mustmodify> verified. One solid light, one blinking light.
[15:35] <pavlos> mustmodify: dmesg may have some info enp2s0: link is not ready
[15:47] <mustmodify> just out of curiosity, why is it enp2s0 instead of eth0? And where would I have gotten that number?
[15:47] <mustmodify> that identifier?
[15:52] <pavlos> mustmodify: udev rules assign those, based on your h/w
[15:54] <pavlos> mustmodify: you can modify /etc/default/grub, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="quiet net.ifnames=0", sudo update-grub, reboot, and you will get eth0, eth1, ...
[15:54] <mustmodify> ok. I tend to leave this machine running for months at a time, sometimes tinkering without restarting. So I'm worried I've hosed the configuration somehow.
[15:57] <tomreyn> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[16:00] <mustmodify> here's my lshw: https://photos.app.goo.gl/e3wVR3EQaS8CXG5MA
[16:00] <mustmodify> It looks right to me. If anyone sees anything out of the ordinary, please let me know.
[16:03] <mustmodify> pavlos: you're right, dmesg has a clue. "r8169: (some numbers) enp2so: link down" https://photos.app.goo.gl/7c5FrtSPQy9QCKtm7
[16:03] <mustmodify> Apparently this is an issue with the linux driver for Realtek. Perhaps I updated something and it caused an issue.
[16:05] <yossarianuk> hi - if I were to download the latest 20.04 iso - which is presently the development branch
[16:06] <yossarianuk> would i stay on the development branch after 20.04 is realeased as stable ?
[16:06] <yossarianuk> i.e would i thnen start to be on the 20.10 branch ?
[16:06] <MonkeyDust> yossarianuk: there's this   https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/11/ubuntu-20-04-daily-builds-available
[16:06] <yossarianuk> or do I have to wait for the beta .iso to come out ?
[16:08] <yossarianuk> MonkeyDust: thanks - but I mean after 20.04 stable is out would it stick to 20.04 or as i'm in the dev branch would i then start to be on the 20.10 branch
[16:08] <yossarianuk> i want to just use the 20.04 branch ...
[16:08] <yossarianuk> I  believe the beta (due out in days) would stick to the 20.04 branch
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> yossarianuk: once you are on the dev branch, you stay on the dev branch unless you manually switch over to either the LTS or regular release cycle in the package manager. Further questions should really go to #ubuntu+1
[16:20] <tomreyn> yossarianuk: anything called "focal" will stay focal (20.04), but you might need to ensure the upgrade path is set to 'lts', not 'normal', in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[16:20] <yossarianuk> pragmaticenigma: ok thanks
[16:22] <mustmodify> pragmaticenigma: I'm embarrassed to admit this but I have two machines side-by-side and I checked the ethernet cable on the wrong one. You were correct -- it wasn't fully plugged in. :|
[16:23] <damoreno> hi. What is the notification daemon used in ubuntu?
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> mustmodify: it happens to the best of us... I have a lot of bad cables ends where the cable works fine, just the retainer clip no longer works
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> damoreno: You might need to be more specific.. what exactly are you trying to do?
[16:24] <damoreno> pragmaticenigma: just wondering what is ubuntu using. notify-osd? notification-daemon...?
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> damoreno: There are multitude of ways notifications can be sent. So what you see will help in narrowing down what you're targeting
[17:06] <psymin> is here an okay place to chat about 20.04?
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> psymin: For general chat please use #ubuntu-offtopic. For support of Focal, please use #ubuntu+1
[17:30] <isemenov> hi all
[17:30] <isemenov> how can I install python 3.7 in focal fossa?
[17:30] <isemenov> how can I install python 3.7 in focal fossa?
[17:30] <isemenov> we have a rather hard dependency on that python version (with vtk) and we'd rather keep python 3.7 than patch vtk
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> isemenov: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support please
[17:33] <oerheks> don't downgrade, fix your code. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/python3.8
[17:34] <isemenov> oerheks: its not my code, it's a whole huge library
[17:34] <isemenov> and sometimes stability is best
[17:35] <oerheks> wel, 3.8 is stable, and 20.04 is lts.
[17:37] <isemenov> oerheks: I understand that, sure. by  stability I refer to the stability of our software project which is know to work fine with the combo of vtk 8.2 + py 3.7
[17:37] <isemenov> *known
[17:37] <rajivmars> what is the difference between ubuntu 18.04 and ubuntu 19.10?
[17:38] <ducasse> 19.10 has later software and is not lts
[17:39] <rajivmars> oh. i have downloaded 19.10. is it ok to install it for now?
[17:39] <ducasse> sure, but be prepared to upgrade in april when 20.04 is released
[17:40] <pragmaticenigma> isemenov: Python2.7 is no longer supported. The Python group has recommended that everyone stop using it as soon as possible. What ever the library you are using, it sounds like it hasn't been updated or worked on in a long time. I'd be looking for a newer solution.
[17:40] <rajivmars> ducasse, definitely i will. thanks!
[17:42] <isemenov> Palmar: *3*.7 )
[17:42] <isemenov> er, sorry Palmar. I meant to notify pragmaticenigma
[17:42] <isemenov> Palmar: my question was about three dot seven
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> isemenov: apologies, I didn't catch the update
[17:43] <isemenov> yeah, no problem. do you think it's possible?
[17:43] <pragmaticenigma> isemenov: code written for 3.7 should work fine under 3.8
[17:43] <isemenov> pragmaticenigma: https://gitlab.kitware.com/vtk/vtk/issues/17670
[17:44] <isemenov> C++ bindings updated ever so slightly
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> isemenov: They released a patch, I would investigate the issue from that angle. It is possible to install 3.7 along side 3.8 in Ubuntu using virtualenv (which is what you should be using)
[17:48] <isemenov> pragmaticenigma: at the moment we install python using apt-get, what are the + and - of using virtualenv to do that?
[17:48] <isemenov> can such an installation be made system-wide, protected by root access rights?
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> virtualenv: environment prevents your python application requirements from interfering with the system tools that rely on python
[18:02] <frank> Ubuntu 19.10 I get a segfault of gnome initial setup
[18:02] <frank> kern.log:Mar 30 16:10:52 lenlin kernel: [  115.495273] gnome-initial-s[1937]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe39c0b5572 sp 00007ffc934bed08 error 4 in libc-2.30.so[7fe39c02d000+178000]
[18:06] <frank> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3fcGVZmjdy/
[18:09] <chucara> Help! Something very strange is going on with my Ubuntu Server installation, and I simply cannot find out what it is. Roughly every 2 days or so, I loose the ability to host services on port 443. If I restart the server, everything is fine again. What could possible be causing this issue?
[18:10] <chucara> I run nc -l 443 on the server, and nc -v <servername> 443 on another machine to test the issue.
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> chucara: Are all system updates and patches applied?
[18:11] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Yup
[18:12] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: It's a <7 days old installation of 18.04 LTS and I've applied all patches between then.
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> have you check the system logs... check systemctl status apache2.service ?
[18:12] <pavlos> chucara: the first one needs sudo nc -l 443 ... (just tried it between two systems
[18:13] <Ben64> What do you mean by losing the ability to host services, does something normally run on 443 and stops?
[18:13] <chucara> pavlos: Ah sorry skipped the sudo. I can succesfully run the command after a restart and see messages across the machines.
[18:13] <chucara> Ben64: First symptom I see is my traefik reverse proxy stops responding and shuts down.
[18:14] <chucara> I get a message: time="2020-03-29T20:29:47Z" level=error msg="close tcp [::]:443: use of closed network connection" entryPointName=websecure If that provides a hint.
[18:14] <chucara> ^ From the traefik logs
[18:15] <chucara> Can it be a hardware related issue? (power save state or something?)
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> chucara: that's a symptom... but doesn't help find the cause... what does your web server logs say?
[18:15] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Not sure I follow.. Which web server?
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> chucara: whatever webserver your running on port 443? I don't know your configuration, you need to provide us more details of yor configuration... what roles things/servers play, what connects to what, etc
[18:17] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Traefik is running on port 443 and redirects traffic into various docker containers. But their logs are empty as no traffic reaches even traefik on the system when this happens. I can't even netcat on said port.
[18:18] <chucara> I've also tried with a simple python web host - same issue.
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> have you tried using netstat to see if anything has the port open when you cannot connect to it?
[18:19] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Yes, when I stop the docker container for traefik (or stop the docker service completely), the port is not listed in netstat.
[18:20] <chucara> Meanwhile, when I access the port via localhost or <IP_ADDRESS>, everything works as expected.
[18:21] <chucara> I'm all out of ideas, unless it is my motherboard reserving the port for ASUS Control Center (pseudo IPMI solution). But I don't know how to check
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> so a docker container is redirecting to other docker containers?
[18:21] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Yes
[18:21] <pavlos>  fyi all: https://docs.traefik.io/
[18:21] <pragmaticenigma> This is sounding more like an issue to bring up in a docker forum
[18:22] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: It's not a docker issue. I cannot netcat into the machine on this particular port when the docker service isn't running at all.
[18:23] <chucara> At least I cannot see how it can be...
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> if the/a docker instance crashes anything is possible
[18:24] <frank> Ubuntu 19.10 Just after login, I get a segfault of gnome initial setup
[18:24] <frank> kern.log:Mar 30 16:10:52 lenlin kernel: [  115.495273] gnome-initial-s[1937]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fe39c0b5572 sp 00007ffc934bed08 error 4 in libc-2.30.so[7fe39c02d000+178000]
[18:24] <frank> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3fcGVZmjdy/
[18:25] <frank> session: x11
[18:25] <chucara> How would I be able to determine if that were the case? Shouldn't the operating system know whether a network interface was down somehow?
[18:25] <chucara> The interface is not as all other ports are accessible, and I can ssh into the machine.
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | frank
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> chucara: which is why I'm suggesting that this might be a docker specific issue and a docker forum may provide better help in resolving this issue.
[18:28] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: I went there originally, and they claim it to be a OS issue :D  I'm looking for ways to find more information.
[18:29] <frank> pragmaticenigma, my apologies, the repitition of my request was corrected slightly so that it was set in a more logical order. I had no intention of repeating the issue because I would not be heard.
[18:29] <chucara> Alternatively whether it is hardware related. This is a brand new server.
[18:30] <chucara> I'm not saying docker isn't the cause, but at least if I knew exactly what it was doing, I'd have an easier time raising an issue over there.
[18:30] <Celmor[m]> I'm getting one issue after another, first name resolution didn't work anymore, now files which should exist appear to be replaced by broken symlinks, e.g. "/etc/mtab -> ../proc/self/mounts" I;m guessing I'm at the point again where I simply have to reboot
[18:30] <pavlos> frank: is it missing zh_CN.utf-8 ?
[18:30] <Celmor[m]> /tmp seems to be replaced by a mount from loop0
[18:31] <frank> pavlos, yes and lot's of other locales, but I guess this caused by the crash rather than the other way around
[18:33] <Celmor[m]> seems the original issue was caused by bind mounting / to /mnt and then mounting something over it (because I couldn't unmount /mnt as it was in use by everything using the rootfs)
[18:33] <pragmaticenigma> Celmor[m]: Unless someone is actively helping, please don't monolouge your way through the situation
[18:33] <pavlos> frank: does journalctl -xe give you more info?
[18:35] <Celmor[m]> pragmaticenigma: I merely presented my problem and what I think the issue is which I just now found out. I thought it's frowned upon to disappear from a chat once a solution is found without telling anyone
[18:35] <Celmor[m]> but as you wish, I'm gonna leave
[18:36] <frank> pavlos, I'll try, but it has been rebooted since that error. This error occurred prior to the greeter and I found that he could not continue without rebooting the machine.
[18:37] <frank> pavlos, besides, it crashed so hard that it left a core dump
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> chucara: I don't know docker well enough. Someone in #ubuntu-server might be more knowledgeable on that aspect and interplay with Ubuntu
[18:38] <pavlos> frank: I dont know how to analyze a coredump but it may give you ideas ...
[18:38] <frank> pavlos, I am speaking on behalf of frank, I am his son and a sysadmin in daily life. Still, I am no kernel debugger ;-)
[18:39] <chucara> pragmaticenigma: Ok,well thanks for your help :)
[18:39] <pavlos> frank: maybe someone else can help ...
[18:40] <frank> pavlos, thank you for lending a hand, much appreciated nonetheless
[18:40] <Pazooza> Is there a way to turn off prompting you for a password for every update and other things?
[18:40] <pavlos> frank: if you boot 19.10 as Try Ubuntu ... does it work? gnome, etc, ...
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> Pazooza: no... install updates requires privilege escalation, which requires the password. Disabling that would make your system vulnerable
[18:42] <pavlos> Pazooza: you can modify /etc/sudoers but it is not recommended
[18:43] <frank> pavlos, the issue with this error is that it is intermittent, the hardest bugs to crack usually are.
[18:44] <frank> pavlos, many sessions went by without a hitch and after the reboot everything seemed just fine. I have also made sure that the disks/ SSD's are okay and they are in a healthy state.
[18:48] <pavlos> frank: I see a few bugs about gnome-initial-setup, one suggestion is to wipe the .config/ (rm -rf ~/.config)
[18:49] <frank> pavlos, do you have a link to a bug that you suspect?
[18:50] <pavlos> frank: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+bug/1850832
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> frank: pavlos: I don't know if I would recommend wiping/removing ~/.config ... I would suggestion trying to "mv ~/.config ~/.config_backup"
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> that way you can recover customizations or replace things one-by-one until it breaks again
[18:50] <frank> pragmaticenigma, better safe than sorry, right?
[18:51] <pavlos> frank: see workaround in the bug ... pragmaticenigma sure. mv .config to a safe place
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> frank: precisely
[18:52] <frank> pragmaticenigma, besides, making a diff between the faulty and the working one could be interesting to find out the root cause.
[18:52] <frank> pragmaticenigma, pavlos, thank you for your help so far. I'll try out the workaround with a backup copy of the config file
[18:53] <frank> pragmaticenigma, I meant directory.
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> frank: one other thought... does the locale of the machine get changed frequently between languages?
[18:54] <frank> pragmaticenigma, no, I think that is a red herring. The only locale used is Dutch
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> this is on a fresh installed machine frank ... or one that has been around for a while?
[18:56] <pavlos> frank: if you read the bug details, a user's shell may not be correct in /etc/passwd
[18:56] <frank> pragmaticenigma, not freshly installed, just about half a year from fresh installation without any legacy (my father used to be a Windows user)
[18:57] <pavlos> frank: grep user-logged-on /etc/passwd
[18:57] <frank> pavlos, his shell is /bin/bash , so nothing out of the ordinary
[18:58] <pavlos> frank: so, grep frank /etc/passwd should show /bin/bash as the last field
[18:59] <frank> pavlos, it does, but the rest of the bug report looks quite familiar and describes the issue my father is running into pretty well.
[18:59] <pavlos> frank: so boot into recovery and remove gnome-initial-setup, reboot, test
[19:00] <pavlos> frank: steps 1-4
[19:01] <frank> pavlos, clear.
[19:05] <frank> pavlos, pragmaticenigma, I have made a backup of the .config directory of my father and I will try the workaround now. Thank you for your help and I may login again afterwards.
[19:06] <pavlos> frank: yw
[19:13] <frank> pavlos, pragmaticenigma, I have removed the culprit.
[19:15] <frank> pavlos, pragmaticenigma, this does mean that any new users will not get the setup-screen. that is acceptable, since I don't expect new users to be added, at least until the dawn of Focal.
[19:16] <frank> pavlos, pragmaticenigma, thank you for your help once again, I am calling this a night, since it resembles my daily work too closely.
[19:18] <frank> signing off...
[19:46] <iKarus987> Hi guys
[19:46] <iKarus987> wondering i have dual boot windows and ubuntu. can i read write on the windows based hard drive?
[19:46] <iKarus987> whenever i try to do i get "read-only file system"
[19:47] <iKarus987> can i change the permission in linux?
[19:48] <iKarus987> even though i check the permission status. It says "rwx"
[19:48] <iKarus987> but why cant i do anything then :<
[19:48] <chucara> iKarus987: Do you have fast boot enabled in Windows 10?
[19:49] <iKarus987> no idea what that is
[19:49] <iKarus987> all i did was install ubuntu and created the grub from there
[19:49] <chucara> I remember having the same issue a few years ago, and that was the problem. See here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/917695/read-only-partition-dual-boot-win10
[19:50] <iKarus987> also
[19:50] <chucara> It may be other issues as well, but that was mine.
[19:50] <iKarus987> hmm let me open a movie from that drive
[19:50] <iKarus987> yep i can watch movies from there
[19:51] <iKarus987> and move things  from there to my linux partition
[19:51] <iKarus987> but i cant make a folder ect
[19:51] <chucara> iKarus987: That's all consistent with it being read only.
[19:51] <iKarus987> oh okay
[19:51] <iKarus987> but the guy on his post said
[19:52] <iKarus987> he couldn't open files
[19:52] <iKarus987> on your post#
[19:52] <chucara> iKarus987: Ok, that wasn't what I experienced, but your mileage may vary. I definitely know that dual booting and fast startup doesn't play well together.  Where i wanna put all the trash
[19:54] <iKarus987> games,movies ect
[19:55] <chucara> Oh.. So you are booting from two different harddrives, each with their own boot record? (as it: you choose in BIOS/UEFI which to boot?)
[19:55] <iKarus987> yes
[19:56] <iKarus987> i have to grub
[19:56] <iKarus987> to get into ubuntu
[19:56] <iKarus987> otherwise it just auto goes into windows
[19:57] <chucara> Ok, then you have the bootloader (GRUB) on one drive alongside one OS, and the secondary OS on the other. Meaning you cannot boot without having the 'master' harddrive installed.
[19:57] <chucara> Then it could still be fast start.
[19:58] <iKarus987> i think i can boot into windows from grub
[19:58] <iKarus987> never tried. but the windows drive shows up there
[19:59] <chucara> iKarus987: It's not a problem. There's just a small, but significant difference. I would definitely boot into windows and disable fast boot, then shutdown your PC (don't just restart) and try again.
[20:01] <iKarus987> ok
[20:09] <theborger> ? what do you type to unzip a series of zip files?  like i have zip files like First.001.zip, First.002.zip etc
[20:09] <xet7> theborger: unzip *.zip
[20:09] <theborger> they all need to be unzipped to create the file inside
[20:10] <theborger> xet7: thanks
[20:10] <xet7> theborger: look at "man unzip" does it have info about multipart zip
[20:10] <xet7> theborger: in case it does not work
[20:17] <genii> theborger: If they're laid out like so: file.zip file.z01 file.z02 and so on, use unzip -FF file.zip
[20:19] <theborger> xet7: got it working thanks
[20:20] <theborger> genii: thanks
[20:22] <pyzozord> hello what's the deal with vi on ubuntu? There is no "vim" on my ubuntu 19 but when i type vi --version it introduces itself as vim
[20:24] <sarnold> pyzozord: there's a bunch of variants of vim, some with gtk, some with qt, some with different language runtimes for scripting, etc
[20:24] <sarnold> pyzozord: so the alternatives system is used to select which one is launched when 'vim' is used; take a look at ls -l /usr/bin/vim /etc/alternatives/vim  -- hopefully it'll help you get your system back to useful
[20:25] <oerheks> In Ubuntu Vim vi actually starts Vim by default https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/20858/whats-the-deal-with-the-vi-vim-in-ubuntu-18-04-19-04
[20:26] <pyzozord> sarnold: can you describe how the alternatives system works / is implemented in a bit of detail but in few sentences?
[20:27] <sarnold> pyzozord: since you can have mutliple packages that supply a "vi" or "editor" or "sendmail", etc, debian introduced "alternatives" as a way to let packages provide vim-like things or sendmail-like things, and let admins decide which package will be used for those things
[20:29] <sarnold> pyzozord: that sounds kind of complex, but it mostly just means there's a lot of extra symlinks from /bin and /usr/bin into /etc/alternatives, which point to whichever tool actually *does* things
[20:29] <pyzozord> sarnold: aha, ok that's very clear, thanks a lot!
[20:29] <sarnold> pyzozord: update-alternatives --config vi  or update-alternatives --config vim   will probably get you going :)
[20:33] <aliendude5300> Hi, trying Ubuntu 20.04, what channel can I use for bug reporting? Chromebook sound isn't working on a Lenovo N20, didn't work on a 19.10 install either
[20:34] <aliendude5300> Looks like the hardware is a chtmax98090 sound card
[20:34] <aliendude5300> I tried the Git UCM fix but it did not work
[20:34] <tomreyn> you can use #ubuntu+1 for self-support, the standard bug tracker for bug tracking
[20:34] <sarnold> aliendude5300: there's an #ubuntu+1 for discussing devel releases; but a bug report would be to use ubuntu-bug
[20:36] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1833116
[20:36] <oerheks> with a fix
[20:38] <aliendude5300> Tried the fix - it did not work
[20:42] <pfloyd> I can't seem to get python 3.6 and 3.8 to co-exist. there are conflicts on /usr/lib/python3.6/tkinter/__init__.py
[20:45] <Bashing-om> !info tkinter bionic | pfloyd
[20:50] <aodsnasion> Hi guys, trying to compile kernel on ubuntu 18.04 x64 and this error occurs:
[20:50] <aodsnasion> Makefile:1078: recipe for target 'vmlinux' failedmake: *** [vmlinux] Error 137
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> aodsnasion: compiling is not supported here, the volunteers here focus on supporting the packages as provided by official Ubuntu repositories. Is there a particular reason that you are compiling a kernel rather than seeking an already compiled kernel that matches your use case?
[21:00] <pfloyd> Bashing-om: I can import numpy in Python 3.6, but in Python 3.8 I get an error:  cannot import name 'multiarray' from partially initialized module 'numpy.core' (most likely due to a circular import) (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/numpy/core/__init__.py)
[21:00] <pragmaticenigma> pfloyd: You should be using virtualenv or pyenv for version specific python applications, also use pip only inside the virtual environments for python. Do not install with pip on your main system. You will break Ubuntu's core applications for system admin
[21:01] <pfloyd> pragmaticenigma: I'm not installing via pip. I'm using apt
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> pfloyd: Are you on Ubuntu 18.04 or something else?
[21:02] <pfloyd> 18.04
[21:04] <pfloyd> pragmaticenigma: I guess I can update my script to remove the f-strings and go back to "...".format(...)  but was hoping to use Python 3.8
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> all the packages for Ubuntu 18.04 are matched to Python 3.6 ... which means anything written to 3.8 documentation will not work
[21:05] <pragmaticenigma> pfloyd: You can use virtualenv to isolate your instances... that way your python3.8 requirements won't interfere with python 3.6... this is currently the recommended approach to running python applications in all environments, especailly where python is a part of the core OS: https://www.pythonforbeginners.com/basics/how-to-use-python-virtualenv
[21:06] <pragmaticenigma> pfloyd: the whole purpose of virtualenv is to enable python applications to be run on one system with different requirements, preventing those requirements from interferring with other instances
[21:07] <pfloyd> pragmaticenigma: gotcha, ok I'll look into that longer term and use 3.6 for now, thanks
[21:19] <HikaruBG> hi Guys!
[21:21] <HikaruBG> My Bluetooth pcie adapter (Atheros 9160) stopped working. Apparantly the Windows can not recognize it either. I think something is wrong with the adapter itself and it needs replacing
[21:21] <HikaruBG> what Bluetooth 5.0 pcie adapter is supported by Ubuntu?
[21:21] <HikaruBG> I had problems with the Atheros all together.
[21:21] <HikaruBG> Any suggestions?
[21:27] <mihael_keehl> I've migrated a virtual machine over to another server and the interfaces changed. So I changed it in /etc/network/interfaces. However, ip route is showing routes for the old interfaces, how do I update that? I've already reboot and restarted networking
[21:28] <RadSurfer> anyone know if this has been updated since November 2019? :: https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=19.10&architecture=amd64
[21:34] <HikaruBG> Can I check if some chipset is compatible with ubuntu before I purchase the Hardware?
[21:34] <HikaruBG> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YZ7J8QD/ref=psdc_430513031_t3_B07Y2MYK4N?
[21:34] <HikaruBG> RadSurfer, there are constant updates for the 19.10
[21:34] <HikaruBG> once you install it, run the updates
[21:37] <sarnold> HikaruBG: you can poke around https://certification.ubuntu.com/ -- maybe a certified system uses the same chipset?
[21:37] <RadSurfer> running it now, since November, but that was my "learning curve" period; I want to perform a totally clean install, now that I understand things better, and on a shiny new HDD.
[21:37] <RadSurfer> I would hope that Ubuntu's performance would be even better than it has been. Except for when it LOCKS-UP solid, it has been quite stable.
[21:38] <HikaruBG> sarnold, thanks!
[21:42] <dracnoc> @HikaruBG - that wifi card uses the Intel chipset, which is part of the current upstream kernel. In theory, it should work just fine and Intel supply drivers from their website too
[21:43] <HikaruBG> Thanks, I was thinking the same. This is the main reason I was looking specifically for Intel chipset
[21:43] <HikaruBG> thank you , dracnoc
[22:04] <halvors> Hi! How can i use disk encryption with LUKS2 in the ubuntu installer but without lvm?
[22:11] <oerheks> i think luks wants lvm, by default, find a guide for btrfs?
[22:12] <halvors> i want to use btrfs yes, is there a guide for it?
[22:42] <swift110> hey all
[22:54] <pavlos> HikaruBG: Atheros 9160 should use the ath9k driver. Can you verify this driver is loaded for your wifi ?
[22:54] <HikaruBG> it is...  the device is no longr recognizable in Windows as well
[22:56] <sarnold> HikaruBG: hmm, have you tried a full power-off reset? yank power, yank battery etc?
[22:56] <HikaruBG> no, I haven't tried that.
[22:57] <HikaruBG> I have ordered new WiFi 6 / Bluetooth 5 PCIe adapter
[23:02] <pavlos> HikaruBG: does lspci show the atheros card, can you post that one line?
[23:03] <HikaruBG> Currently I can't ...  I will in an hour or so...
[23:03] <HikaruBG> The Wifi is still working. Just the Bluetooth is not. Can not find the bluetooth device.
[23:04] <pavlos> HikaruBG: no worries


[07:02] <matsoyama> help
[07:03] <matsoyama> I can't connect to network in ubunto 13.04
[07:03] <matsoyama> what should I do?
[07:50] <Guest79438> hi
[07:52] <Guest79438> salam be hamegi
[07:52] <Guest79438> man chandta soal dashtam
[07:53] <Guest79438> farq ubuntu ba fedora chie?
[08:15] <Guest79438> javab bedid chizi azaton kam nemishe?
[08:15] <Guest79438> mishe?????
[08:17] <Guest79438> ya nemidonid


[18:34] <godbyk> dsmythies: ping
[19:36] <dsmythies> godbyk: I'm here now
[19:39] <dsmythies> godbyk: But only for a few minutes. Otherwise I should be around for a few hours in a few hours.
[19:47] <godbyk> dsmythies: Ah, I think I figured it out.
[19:47] <godbyk> The check_validation.sh script requires a newer version of yelp-check than what I have installed in 13.10.
[19:48] <godbyk> I'm updating the shell script to do some checks on what the yelp-check command supports. Then we can use it anywhere.
[19:48] <godbyk> I'm also adding color output just for kicks.
[19:48] <dsmythies> godbyk: Oh, crap, did I mess it up again?
[19:49] <godbyk> dsmythies: No, it was just that the yelp-check command in Ubuntu 13.10 doesn't have the ids command yet.
[19:49] <godbyk> dsmythies: Quick question for ya, though, related to bash.. Can I generate an environment variable name by nesting another environment variable value in it?
[19:50] <godbyk> I want to have something like YELP_CHECK_SUPPORTS_x where x is stored in another environment variable.
[19:51] <dsmythies> godbyk: I don't know. I am not an environment variables whiz.
[19:51] <godbyk> dsmythies: I may have found a solution on StackOverflow. I'll give it a shot.
[19:51] <godbyk> When I'm finished with this script, I'll email it to you to test it before I commit it.
[19:51] <godbyk> I want to make sure I don't blow everything up. :-)
[19:52] <dsmythies> godbyk: I should have checked my validation scripts changes on older machine. I think Gunnar and I agreed it should not require the newest yelp stuff, because it doesn't look as if it will make it in time.
[19:53] <godbyk> Well, with my updates, the script should detect that the older yelp-check doesn't support a command and just silently skip that check.
[19:53] <dsmythies> Cool.
[19:53] <godbyk> Then we can easily add new commands as they come about in the future and be backward-compatible.
[19:54] <dsmythies> That would be awesome.
[19:59] <godbyk> dsmythies: Okay, I've got it working, I think.
[19:59] <godbyk> I'll send you this script so you can test it out.
[19:59] <godbyk> I'm going to do a bit of refactoring on it and work to speed things up a bit, too.
[20:00] <dsmythies> It'll be a few hours until I can get to it.
[20:02] <godbyk> dsmythies: No worries.
[20:02] <godbyk> dsmythies: There's no rush. I've got plenty of other things to work on, too. :)


[02:27] <MadBoat> Hello. Im trying to compile an ubuntu kernel for the first time, and I'm running into a problem with a video driver for the platform im compiling for
[02:27] <MadBoat> I'd like to know how to go about stopping the make process from trying to compile this driver
[02:29] <BenC> MadBoat: Best bet for questions like this is #ubuntu
[02:30] <MadBoat> alright. on what server?
[02:30] <MadBoat> Im an IRC newbie as well, sorry if thats newb question
[02:36] <BenC> MadBoat: this server
[02:36] <MadBoat> K. much obliged
[06:24] <ppisati> moin
[06:26] <cking> morning ppisati
[07:06] <cooloney> cking and ppisati, morning
[07:06] <cking> hiya cooloney
[07:06] <cooloney> cking: got your email.
[07:07] <cking> ack
[07:07] <cooloney> cking: looks like we still don't have any clue to decide the change
[07:08] <cooloney> maybe we need some input from ubuntu server folks
[07:10] <ppisati> ciao * :)
[07:10] <cooloney> ppisati: how's going? and your usb issue on beaglexm
[07:11] <cking> cooloney, as long as they don't provide us with untested "gut feeling" preferences that don't consider recent kernels
[07:11]  * cking just likes hard facts
[07:13] <cooloney> cking: right, we need reproduce the issue firstly and try more test case.
[07:18] <smb> morning
[07:18] <cooloney> smb: morning
[07:19] <cooloney> cking: i just was told they got a lot of writing operation timeout when using CFQ in cluster server. but have no idea to test this or reproduce it.
[07:20] <smb> cooloney, Was that the same bug report as that one being done on a kvm?
[07:20] <smb> (which I did not yet have luck in reproducing)
[07:21] <cooloney> smb: hmm, i don't think so. just some description from them, i also want some hard facts like cking
[07:21] <smb> Right, I agree changing anything based on no facts makes no sense
[07:22] <ppisati> cooloney: saw ming's email? i'm gonna try that now
[07:22] <cooloney> smb: yeah, on my side, i just have an 3 years old desktop, no chance to do some fancy testing
[07:22] <ppisati> cooloney: after that i'll see for smsc911xx phy deinit code
[07:22] <cooloney> ppisati: yeah, worth a try.
[07:22] <cking> I can rig up more tests if required
[07:22] <ppisati> cooloney: but the problem is that, after kexec, the entire usb hub is dead
[07:23] <ppisati> cooloney: so IMO the problem is one layer below all these drivers
[07:23] <cooloney> ppisati: i saw several patches from ming about usbnet, but might not related to kexec
[07:23] <smb> cooloney, Heh, actually one feels as really old hardware is ideal. That makes the disk output even slower. :)
[07:23] <ppisati> cooloney: but let me first try ming's mfd patch
[07:23] <ppisati> cooloney: if it revives the usb, then the rest might be worth a try
[07:24] <cooloney> ppisati: right, ming is good for help ^^
[07:26] <smb> cooloney, But anyway. If your friends could open bug reports and provide a bit more information about the setup and what fails where (and maybe you then subscribe me to those) then we can start gathering facts
[07:27] <cking> yep, the more data the better
[07:30] <cooloney> smb, cking, right, and which testcase or benchmark tool is good for parallel reads and writes
[07:30] <cking> all and none of them
[09:52] <jussi> Can anyoen tell me what is the status of the new poulsbo driver in Ubuntu?  is it in Precise/Quantal? Does it do 3D?
[10:41] <rbasak> Kernel image taxonomy: is the "generic" flavour for i386/amd64 analogous to ARM subarches? So if I had a architecture-aware hierarchy, would it be fair to use <arch>/<flavour> and end up with amd64/generic and armhf/highbank without any collisions or confusion?
[10:44]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[12:42] <caribou> apw: ping
[12:43] <apw> hi
[12:43] <caribou> apw: remember the ddeb that you rebuilt for me a few days back
[12:44] <caribou> apw: I just found out that, while working well with crash dumps, it causes problem with systemtap
[12:44] <apw> yay ... its good job we don't support those versions :)
[12:44] <apw> what sort of problems does it cause
[12:46] <caribou> well the Build-id mismatch that I got from systemtap on a rebuilt ddeb (both by you and arges_) doesn't appear on the original ddebs
[12:46] <arges_> caribou, is that related to any bugs ?
[12:46] <apw> well frankly they are rebuilt, and the stamp is likley wrong
[12:46] <apw> and never can be right
[12:46] <caribou> I had kept a .tgz copy of the original ddeb (the one that was on the archives) and this one works
[12:47] <caribou> apw: I could open a bug on this, but it mostly concern systemtap. Just thought I'd mention it
[12:47] <apw> the build stamps likely include the date and time of the build ...
[12:47] <apw> i don't think anyone will fix it as clearly you are asking for trouble to not use the ddebs which were made with the kernel you are debugging; it is correct to tell you its wrong
[12:47] <arges_> apw, would there be a way to extract this from the .deb and insert into the rebuilt .ddeb ... or perhaps allow the debugging tools to ignore the time stamp difference
[12:48] <apw> you probabally should look to makeing the tool continue --i-know-i-am-using-the-wrong-ddeb
[12:48] <caribou> note sure it's the timestamp. might be coming from the ELF notes
[12:48] <apw> arges_, you should not be looking to do thing routinly, you should be retaining the old ddebs if you are supporting unsuported kernel versiosn
[12:49] <arges_> apw, unfortunately the natty kernel ddebs were already deleted before we had a chance to back them up
[12:49] <apw> the tool is right to tell you off, as there really is no guarentee the info is even right
[12:49] <arges_> and we're working on crashes that involve natty
[12:49] <apw> you have ddebs for the support kernel versions even in natty
[12:50] <apw> and the old ones, they are gone, and they arn't recoverable
[12:50] <caribou> apw: arges_ the code that triggers the Build-id mismatch is runtime code triggered by systemtap
[12:50] <apw> caribou, arges_ i have to reiterate there is almost no chance they are completely accurate debugging symbols if rebuilt; the compiler is not the same most likely
[12:51] <apw> given systemtap is dropping code over the kernel code segment live while its running, i am not supprised it is reticent to do so with debug info which is dubious
[12:51] <caribou> apw: I know. I Just wanted to make you all aware of this. But looks pretty good for crash dump analysis
[12:51] <apw> indeed i think i would prefer systemtap refuse and have no way to let you
[12:52] <caribou> apw: could this be caused by the fact that the ddebs were done on a newer distro (i.e. diffs in elf or such) ?
[12:52] <apw> as patching a live running system which it will likely lead to pain
[12:52] <apw> caribou, they were built in appropriate chroots, but ones which were up to date
[12:52] <caribou> apw: you know how support engineers like pain...
[12:52] <apw> heh they do indeed
[12:53] <caribou> apw: I have a Natty server available; I'll try to rebuild the kernel on it and see if there is a difference
[12:54] <apw> caribou, you'd need to find out what kernel the buildd that ran on was running, and get a chroot which represents the chroot which was there on that day
[12:54] <apw> and even then you'd not be guarenteed to make anything the same
[12:54] <arges_> make sure toolchain was at the same version
[12:54] <caribou> apw: yeah, I know. Which is why keeping the ddebs around is so important
[12:55] <caribou> apw: arges_ well they were the ones used by you guys when you built the Natty official kernels
[12:56] <caribou> apw: arges_ does it worth opening a new bug for this ? Maybe systemtap should take that into account ?
[13:01] <apw> caribou, i don't think systemtap can take into account "you don't have reliable ddeb offset infromation for your running kernel" its black and white, its either right or its not
[13:02] <caribou> apw: yeah, right. Shouldn't build broken contexts into the tool. Agree
[14:15] <smoser> smb, around?
[14:15] <smb> smoser, yes
[14:15] <smoser> potentially stupid question.
[14:16]  * smb likes those
[14:16] <smoser> i'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/832507
[14:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 832507 in nova "console.log grows indefinitely" [Medium,In progress]
[14:16] <smoser> i just launched a kvm guest, and did:
[14:17] <smoser>  sudo dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=4 of=/dev/console
[14:17] <smoser> 4194304 bytes (4.2 MB) copied, 43.3846 s, 96.7 kB/s
[14:17] <smoser> so, it seems that /dev/console is limited (for my kvm instance) at < 100kB/s
[14:18] <smoser> kvm process seems pegged handling that.
[14:18] <smoser> (cpu pegged)
[14:18] <smoser> the concerning thing to me is that the kernel writes data on boot at a rate not far off that
[14:19] <smoser> ie, in the console log that i have (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1042460/), the kernel wrote that ~15k in .75 seconds.
[14:19] <smoser> that woudl seem to indicate to me that
[14:20] <smoser> a.) a fair amount of cpu resources during my bootup were spent in kvm reading the console writes
[14:20] <smoser> b.) the kernel potentially blocked and waited some time on those writes
[14:20] <smoser> i'm hoping/expecting that you can tell me that 'b' is not true, that the printk messgaes writing would not block anything else really.
[14:20] <smoser> smb, ^
[14:23] <smb> smoser, Not sure I know the whole chain from the top of my head. But printk's first go into the kernel ring buffer
[14:24] <tgardner> smoser, smb: isn't it syslog that pulls out the dmesg ?
[14:24] <smoser> tgardner, well this is to /dev/console specifically
[14:24] <smoser> ie, 'console=/dev/ttyS0' or 'console=/dev/console'
[14:25] <smb> tgardner, I think that is for the files in /var/log
[14:25] <smoser> i did not think that syslog was involved there.
[14:25] <tgardner> ok, likely not
[14:25] <smb> But I think there is something else to send them to consoles...
[14:26] <smb> (asynchronously)
[14:26] <smb> apw, Would you know that from your head? ^
[14:28] <apw> right there is a bit of printk which pumps out the pending bits if there is a 'console' attached to dmesg
[14:29] <smoser> so probably 'b' is not a terrible concern. ie, those writes are not going to slow down boot
[14:30] <apw> if you have a slow serial it can indeed slow down boot if its attached to dmesg
[14:30] <tgardner> smoser, I wonder what happens if the console backs up
[14:30] <apw> the backlog gets emitted when the console gets attached
[14:40]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:42] <herton> tgardner, I'm going start to apply here 3.0.34/3.2.20 to oneiric/precise master-next
[14:42] <tgardner> herton, ack
[14:44] <tgardner> herton, I did just push precise master-next, so you should refresh first
[14:44] <herton> tgardner, ok
[14:49] <smb> smoser, So it looks like printk  tries to output to the console(s) first but can go (and leave things in a buffer) if the lock cannot bet taken... So I would read that as the boot is not slowed down...
[14:52] <smoser> yeah, at least not significantly.
[14:52] <smoser> thanks
[14:52] <jodh> Could someone confirm that a debugger process (with >=1 children being ptraced) loses ptrace rights if *it* execs.
[14:53] <jodh> I may be off track, but since fs/binfmt_elf.c:load_elf_binary() eventually calls ptrace_unlink(), I believe such a process does lose knowledge of its debugees.
[16:22]  * smb` thinks it is about time drop
[16:34]  * cking agrees with smb
[16:34]  * cking --> EOD
[17:26] <arges> tgardner, fixed up that pull request .. let me know if there are other issues
[17:26] <tgardner> arges, you reposted on the list ?
[17:27] <arges> tgardner, yea
[17:34] <tgardner> arges, while the ssh:// patch works for me, its not very helpful for non-Canonical emps. I prefer that you use the git:// form of the path (but I've pulled anyways)
[17:34] <arges> tgardner, shoot
[17:34] <arges> tgardner, meant to use that
[17:36] <jsalisbury> arges, s/shoot/darn/   Tim's from Montana ;-)
[17:36] <tgardner> arges: also, its BugLink, not BugFix in the commit log. you can use kteam-tools/maintscripts/maint-modify-patch to slam in bug numbers, acks, etc.
[17:37] <arges> jsalisbury, heh
[17:37] <arges> tgardner, ok will use that from now on
[17:37] <arges> tgardner, should i resubmit it?
[17:37] <tgardner> arges, nah, I'll fix 'em up when I get a second ACK
[17:38] <arges> tgardner, ok. thanks.
[17:38]  * arges takes some notes.
[17:57] <bladernr_> I feel silly for asking this, but can someone point me to a means to get the Precise kernel installed on a Lucid system?
[18:03] <jsalisbury> bladernr_, you can get the .debs from: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.4.0-5.11
[18:03] <jsalisbury> just look under "Builds" for your arch
[18:03] <bladernr_> ahhh... cool, thanks.  I was looking for a backports package but the latest available is oneiric
[18:03] <bladernr_> jsalisbury: thanks!
[18:04] <jsalisbury> bladernr_, whoops thats quantal, precise can be downloaded from:
[18:04] <jsalisbury> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.2.0-25.40
[18:04] <bjf> bladernr_: we don't backport one LTS to another
[18:05] <bladernr_> bjf: ahhh, that would explain it :)
[18:21] <tgardner> bjf, thats just for the last LTS cycle. we'll eventually backport 14.04 to 12.04.
[18:23] <bjf> tgardner: whatever you say
[18:40] <arges> herton, hello. i see your comment about my pineview cherry pick... do you need me to rebase and reapply to and test?
[18:40] <arges> to lucid
[18:40] <herton> arges, no, not needed, it was a message more to tgardner when he is going to apply it
[18:41] <arges> herton, ok in the future, should i be basing my SRUs against master-next instead of master?
[18:41] <herton> arges, preferably yes, although hardly we could get some clash I think (something that applies to master but not master-next)
[18:42] <arges> ok noted.
[18:52]  * ogasawara lunch
[22:50] <luca> Hi! I reported this bug #997767. Anyone who can advise on what I can do?
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 997767 in linux "10ec:8139 Network connection rtl8139 lost after some hours of inactivity and comes up again on user interaction" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997767
[22:55] <bjf> luca, i'll add a comment to the bug
[22:56] <luca> bjf: Thanks. I don't want to bother you guys. Just want to know if I can do anything. Nothing seems to solve, not even recovery mode.
[22:57] <bjf> luca, unfortunately, friday afternoon is a bad time to pop into the channel and ask for help. what timezone are you in?
[22:58] <luca> bjf: I know that, sorry, I'm GMT+2:0 but I work during the day so I can only work on this in my free time.
[22:59] <bjf> luca, wasn't intended as a criticism, just stating the obvious
[22:59] <luca> bjf: yes, I understand, just giving a try :-) thanks for your help!
[23:01] <bjf> luca, is it about 1am where you are right now ?
[23:01] <luca> bjf: yes, 1am now.
[23:02] <bjf> luca, what i'd suggest is on monday after you get home from work or whatever, there will be a lot of folks around that live in the U.S.
[23:02] <bjf> luca, several of them have a lot more experience with wifi issues than i do
[23:03] <bjf> luca, i could help you bisect your kernel but i'm not convinced that is the issue
[23:03] <luca> bjf: not wifi here, just old eth. Anyway thanks! I'll try on monday then! Yes, I don't think that either. Older kernel should work I guess...
[23:03] <bjf> luca, i'm not saying it's not a kernel issue
[23:04] <bjf> luca, sorry i didn't get that
[23:05] <bjf> luca, you were running oneiric just fine with no issues?
[23:05] <luca> bjf: yes
[23:06] <luca> bjf: never had an issue.
[23:06] <bjf> huh
[23:06] <bjf> and now you've updated, have the issue. even if you run the oneiric kernel on your precise install
[23:06] <luca> bjf: exactly
[23:07] <luca> bjf: tested many times.
[23:09] <luca> bjf: I'll test again with a live CD of 12.04 and 11.10 and see what happens. I don't have any other idea. recovery mode fails as well so I don't know what might be the cause.
[23:10] <bjf> luca, some of what you describe makes it seem like a userspace isssue
[23:10] <bjf> luca, please do come back monday and we'll try to help you out
[23:11] <luca> bjf: yes, but I don't know exactly what recovery mode runs. Thank you very much!
[23:13] <jwi> luca: when testing the latest mainline kernels, did you also install the linux-image-extra-* package?
[23:13] <luca> jwi: no, should I?
[23:14] <jwi> luca: yes - this is most likely what's causing the boot failures.
[23:14] <luca> jwi: then I'll test again installing that as well. Thanks!


[12:53] <akgraner> Question - if we lose our approved status this year will it kill us not to be approved for 2 years so that we can get back on our feet without the pressure of doing stuff just for re-approval?
[12:54] <akgraner> I'd like to kick this off so that we build in a natural productive way rather than hurry and rush burn everyone out just to be re-approved - but I'll go with whatever direction you all want to go in
[12:55] <akgraner> We are up for re-approval in April and I don't know that we can show what we've been doing very well...:-/  other than reviving the WNCLUG group which is important and might be enough
[14:42] <holstein> akgraner: i say, we say what we are doing, and whats going on
[14:42] <holstein> if its not enough, its not enough
[14:42] <akgraner> nods - I just wanted to be prepared for either way
[14:42] <holstein> personally, i dont care if we are 'approved' or not
[14:42] <holstein> i just want to revive it at some point
[14:42] <akgraner> me either really but I know it means a lot to the loco-council
[14:42] <akgraner> holstein, me too
[14:43] <holstein> akgraner: im with you, as far as however you want to proceed
[14:43] <akgraner> so let's talk a look at our wiki's and see what needs updating, and bring the activities up to date
[14:44] <akgraner> we'll still need to go before the council in April, but I am fine with what ever way they rule
[14:44] <holstein> sure
[14:44] <holstein> i'll go, or whatever
[14:44] <holstein> i mean, we're each doing something
[14:45] <holstein> you and i and dan are very involved other place
[14:45] <akgraner> as we really need to figure out how to do things on a consistent basis and report on those things
[14:45] <holstein> as im sure others here are, with bugs or whatever
[14:45] <akgraner> nods - we just need to get all that activity listed and up to date
[14:46] <holstein> maybe we could have a physical meeting
[14:46] <akgraner> maybe we can work on that next week for I don't think it will take longer than a couple of hours
[14:46] <akgraner> Do we have a LUG meeting Sat?
[14:47] <akgraner> I can stay a little longer afterwards and we can come up with a game plan
[14:47] <holstein> cool
[14:47] <holstein> yeah, i can do that!
[14:48] <akgraner> awesome see ya Saturday then