[12:43] <chimai> hi :)
[12:45] <nekohayo> hello folks, what are the documentation options available to me to make a fully compliant icon theme? I have checked a few websites, and they seem loosely related, sometimes outdated, and I don't even know what project or what documentation to trust (tango? freedesktop? or the gnome default icon theme?) I have a feeling that what is out there is not entirely complete and accurate :|
[12:48] <TheSheep> nekohayo: try http://tango.freedesktop.org/
[12:48] <TheSheep> nekohayo: freedesktop.org defines the icon naming conventions
[12:49] <nekohayo> TheSheep: hmm but it in turn points to http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html
[12:49] <TheSheep> nekohayo: tango is one example of an icon set that follows them
[12:49] <nekohayo> I looked at this and thought "what, that is all?"
[12:49] <TheSheep> nekohayo: yes
[12:49] <nekohayo> I mean, themes out there are much more complex/elaborate than that
[12:49] <nekohayo> and have far more mimetypes and stuff like that
[12:50] <TheSheep> nekohayo: well, mimetype naming convention is obvious
[12:50] <TheSheep> nekohayo: application-specific icons are named after the application
[12:50] <TheSheep> nekohayo: things like gimp of openoffice themes are separate
[12:52] <nekohayo> TheSheep: gimp + openoffice, that I somewhat understand the issue... but I don't think mimetype naming convention is obvious... yeah it is for "generic" mimetype "categories" such as "package-x-generic", but that's all you get on that page... I mean there is not even a single paragraph of explanation about that, it's just a table with a dozen of generic mimetypes.. what if someone wants to add an icon for some mimetype such as a "jarnal"
[12:52] <nekohayo> file, or a matroska video, or something
[12:53] <TheSheep> nekohayo: if the mimetype is  major/minor, then the corresponding icon is major-minor.foo, where foo is the image extension
[12:54] <TheSheep> nekohayo: for example, text/html is text-html.svg
[12:55] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I've seen the gtk code that looks for icons, it checks major-minor.foo first, then fallbacks to major-x-generic.foo
[12:55] <nekohayo> for applications, "regular" applications such as inkscape and gedit request an icon name such as "inkscape.*", but there are tons of things in the administration/preferences menu I could not figure out :|
[12:57] <nekohayo> and looking at other themes is confusing things up nicely too @_@
[12:57] <TheSheep> nekohayo: they will either use one of the "standard" icons, or a non-standard addition, like gnome-something-something or kde-something-something -- in that case look at the gnome or crystal icon themes
[12:58] <TheSheep> nekohayo: it's still a mess, although slowly clearing up
[12:59] <nekohayo> TheSheep: looking at gnome 2.16's icon theme, it is scaring me the hell off
[12:59] <chimai> Is there any soft which could generate correct icon themes?
[12:59] <TheSheep> chimai: there are some scripts on the tango project website
[01:00] <chimai> ok, i'm gonna take a look
[01:00] <nekohayo> TheSheep: in that theme, I can see the same application icons like... 5 times or something, I can see the same mimetype icon 29 times!! how do we know what's good and what's wrong in that?
[01:01] <TheSheep> nekohayo: the duplicates are usually symlinks
[01:01] <chimai> 29 times? O__o
[01:01] <chimai> How dirty... :/
[01:01] <TheSheep> chimai: for backward compatibility :)
[01:01] <TheSheep> chimai: it was a total mess some time ago, every app for itself
[01:02] <nekohayo> TheSheep: why backwards compatibility if that theme is shipped "inside" a gnome release?
[01:02] <TheSheep> now we at least have a standard to follow, even when some applications are still not up-to-date with it
[01:02] <chimai> Eurk... I'm really not an addept of the "backward compatibility", you know... it's because of that that we're still using BIOS and other old things like that
[01:03] <nekohayo> hmm
[01:03] <TheSheep> nekohayo: because changing the icon paths in all those little apps takes time
[01:03] <TheSheep> nekohayo: and introduces bugs
[01:03] <nekohayo> TheSheep: you mean the mimetypes and application icon's stuff? isn't that automatic?
[01:03] <nekohayo> I did not think application hardlinked to them (it would be a bit crazy imho)
[01:04] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I invested some of my time into researching this some time ago, and I conclude there are some gnome libraries for that, but if you want a pure-gtk, gnome-free application, you need to handle that yourself
[01:04] <nekohayo> there IS something in gnome that allows an application to ask "ok what is the icon to use for THIS mimetype" right?
[01:05] <nekohayo> mmmh
[01:05] <TheSheep> nekohayo: as I said, the gtk apps (like the file chooser, for example), just take the mime type, change the / into - and attach an extension at the end...
[01:06] <chimai> give me an exemple please... what should the name be for a .ogg file? and for a .wmv ?
[01:07] <TheSheep> chimai: I don't remember their mime types
[01:07] <chimai> :/
[01:07] <chimai> and where can i find it?
[01:07] <TheSheep> application/ogg
[01:08] <chimai> it beats me :/
[01:08] <TheSheep> so it would be application-ogg.png (or .svg or .xpm or whatever)
[01:08] <nekohayo> TheSheep: slightly off-topic but I noticed something... some files "change" mimetypes when I select them (ogg files for example). wtf? :)
[01:09] <TheSheep> nekohayo: .ogg and .avi are "container" files, .ogg might be either audio or video file, for example
[01:09] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I think that might be the reason
[01:09] <nekohayo> hmm
[01:09] <TheSheep> nekohayo: there are two ways of check the mime type of file
[01:10] <TheSheep> nekohayo: based on it's name only, or based on the contents
[01:10] <TheSheep> nekohayo: the system function that does it takes a switch parameter that controls it
[01:10] <TheSheep> nekohayo: the former is much faster, of course
[01:10] <chimai> TheSheep : but how do you know that it's "application"? Where did you find it? :/
[01:10] <TheSheep> chimai: file -i filename
[01:11] <TheSheep> chimai: there is a large database of mime types and corresponfing file uhm.. features
[01:11] <TheSheep> chimai: test, if you will
[01:11] <TheSheep> tests
[01:11] <TheSheep> chimai: see 'man magic' for details
[01:12] <chimai> chimai@tokyo:~$ file -i the_inner_life_of_a_cell.mp3
[01:12] <chimai> the_inner_life_of_a_cell.mp3: application/octet-stream
[01:12] <chimai> --> application-mp3.png, right?
[01:12] <TheSheep> chimai: no, application-octet-stream.png
[01:12] <chimai> ok :/
[01:12] <chimai> ^^
[01:12] <nekohayo> uh wtf.. isn't octet-stream for all the binary things? maybe I'm mixing things up
[01:12] <TheSheep> chimai: apparently it failed to determine the mime type for that file and have fallen back to the default
[01:13] <nekohayo> ah
[01:13] <chimai> (i'm a dummy, but i will understand, don't worry :p )
[01:14] <chimai> chimai@tokyo:~$ file -i ./Desktop/Donnie\ Darko\ -\ Gary\ Jules\ -\ Mad\ World.mp3
[01:14] <chimai> ./Desktop/Donnie Darko - Gary Jules - Mad World.mp3: audio/mpeg
[01:14] <chimai> --> audio-mpeg.png ?
[01:14] <nekohayo> TheSheep: I've been thinking over that backwards compatibility thing, will there be a time when gnome says "OKAY folks, we are NOW breaking every icon theme in this release, make them anew or they will not work", for great justice?
[01:14] <TheSheep> chimai: yes
[01:14] <chimai> w00t \o/
[01:14] <TheSheep> nekohayo: for sure
[01:14] <chimai> it sure will be great
[01:15] <TheSheep> nekohayo: just not yet
[01:15] <nekohayo> :| .... any idea when?
[01:15] <TheSheep> nekohayo: people usually say "I don;t care about your stupid standards, that other distro has pretty icons"
[01:15] <TheSheep> nekohayo: when enough apps will be updated to use the new standard
[01:16] <nekohayo> and how can gnome know that has happened? what kinds of apps are targetted by this counter?
[01:17] <TheSheep> nekohayo: right now whole lots of them
[01:17] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I think that even parts of gtk
[01:17] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I mean the stock icons and stuff
[01:18] <nekohayo> you mean core apps part of gnome, or the vast majority of gtk apps out there on the interweb?
[01:18] <TheSheep> nekohayo: the icons that are part of the gtk and the gnome libs
[01:19] <TheSheep> nekohayo: for example, look at /usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/stock/
[01:19] <nekohayo> I doubt such a thing exists, but is there a checklist of apps that are not yet "fixed" to see the progress coming on?
[01:19] <TheSheep> nekohayo: they are all out of the standard
[01:20] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I think they are doing serious moves towards this standard since just 2 versions of gnome
[01:20] <nekohayo> TheSheep: omfg, you mean that on a ~1432 icon theme, the *standard* gnome icon theme, 637 of those are "junk"?
[01:21] <TheSheep> nekohayo: not junk, just not covered by the freedesktop standard
[01:21] <TheSheep> nekohayo: that is, they are gnome-specific
[01:21] <nekohayo> what will happen of them? stay gnome-specific or all be reviewed to be included into FreeDesktop?
[01:21] <TheSheep> nekohayo: note how they overlap with the standard ones
[01:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: hopefully, at least the ones that exist in the standard will be moved to the standard locations
[01:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: one ones that don't will stay gnome-spacific
[01:22] <TheSheep> specific
[01:22] <nekohayo> any hopes for that happening for gnome 2.18 or 2.20?
[01:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I don't track the gnome development, so I have no idea
[01:23] <nekohayo> hah :|
[01:23] <nekohayo> I really hope they pass the vacuum cleaner in there ;)
[01:23] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I'm sure you could help -- it's mostly tedious work
[01:24] <nekohayo> TheSheep: hmm, how exactly can I help? I'm just a file renamer, not a programmer
[01:25] <nekohayo> if I could make it happen sooner I would be glad to
[01:25] <TheSheep> nekohayo: try contacting the gnome team maybe, I'm sure there are some pointers on their site
[01:25] <nekohayo> (hopefully the gnome website will have a shot of vacuum cleaner too ;))
[01:26] <nekohayo> I think they were planning on reorganizing it
[01:26] <TheSheep> nekohayo: it's one of the best made website I've seen
[01:26] <chimai> http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?gib
[01:26] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I mean from the technical pov, the organisation is weird
[01:26] <chimai> seems to be dead :'(
[01:27] <TheSheep> chimai: I meant this http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library#Download
[01:27] <nekohayo> chimai: just looked at their development mailing list, it has cellphone and video spam @_@
[01:28] <chimai> Oo
[01:28] <chimai> that's why I *hate* mailing list
[01:29] <chimai> boards are just so much better
[01:32] <chimai> if I have something like that :
[01:32] <chimai> chimai@tokyo:~/Desktop$ file -i Desktop.tar
[01:32] <chimai> Desktop.tar: application/x-tar, POSIX
[01:33] <chimai> is the name "application-x-tar", or do i need to use the "POSIX"?
[01:33] <nekohayo> TheSheep: um, I grabbed that icon-naming tool, tried install.sh and I get "no input file specified."
[01:33] <nekohayo> chimai: uh, I thought POSIX was some kind of standard of unix
[01:33] <chimai> dunno
[01:33] <chimai> :/
[01:34] <nekohayo> "Portable Operating System Interface for uniX"
[01:34] <TheSheep> it's "application-x-tar"
[01:34] <TheSheep> that POSIX is just an additional comment on the file format
[01:34] <TheSheep> not really a mime type
[01:35] <chimai> ok
[01:35] <chimai> and do you know can i do to make a difference between .bz2 and .tar.bz2 files?
[01:36] <chimai> since i obtain this
[01:36] <chimai> chimai@tokyo:~/Desktop$ file -i Desktop.tar.bz2
[01:36] <chimai> Desktop.tar.bz2: application/x-bzip2
[01:36] <nekohayo> I don't quite get what I need to do with that icon naming util @_@
[01:36] <nekohayo> be right back, f00d
[01:36] <chimai> bon appetit
[01:47] <chimai> if I got this
[01:47] <chimai> chimai@tokyo:~/Desktop$ file \[Requiem\] \ Simoun\ 16\ \[080EAD1C\] .avi.torrent
[01:47] <chimai> [Requiem]  Simoun 16 [080EAD1C] .avi.torrent: BitTorrent file
[01:47] <chimai> it means that there isn't any existing name yet?
[01:49] <chimai> TheSheep ?
[01:50] <TheSheep> chimai: file -i
[01:50] <TheSheep> chimai: to show the mime type
[01:50] <chimai> erf, i forgot it -________-
[01:50] <TheSheep> chimai: tar.bz2 are obviously .bz2 files, *containing* a .tar file
[01:51] <chimai> oh, ok
[01:53] <chimai> so i can't make 2 different icons, one for the .bz2 files, and the other for .tar.bz2 files? :'(
[01:56] <TheSheep> chimai: I think not
[01:56] <chimai> ok :/
[01:57] <TheSheep> chimai: btw, take a look at /usr/share/mime
[01:57] <chimai> got it
[01:59] <chimai> OMG, you roxxx O__O
[01:59] <TheSheep> chimai: there is also a freedesktop.org standard for those names...
[02:15] <chimai> TheSheep : do you know what can be the difference between "audio-mpeg" and "audio-x-mpeg"?
[02:17] <TheSheep> chimai: 'x' is for 'extended', not originally in the standard
[02:18] <chimai> :/
[02:19] <TheSheep> chimai: there is an explanation at http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fshared_2dfilemetadata_2dspec
[02:20] <TheSheep> chimai: I haven't read it
[02:20] <TheSheep> chimai: sorry, wrong rl
[02:20] <TheSheep> url
[02:20] <TheSheep> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Standards_2fshared_2dmime_2dinfo_2dspec
[02:20] <nekohayo> TheSheep: did you try out that icon naming utility? I can't figure out how to run it, and the contents of the "INSTALL" file are the same as every darn tarball out there, it doesn't help
[02:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: no, sorry, I only have the general pointers
[02:22] <chimai> TheSheep : it doesn't deals with the "x" thing; but thanks anyway ;)
[02:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: there is a mailing list for the tango project though
[02:22] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I'm sure they will be able to help
[02:23] <TheSheep> no wonder there are so few complete icon themes, eh? :)
[02:23] <nekohayo> TheSheep: @_@
[02:29] <nekohayo> TheSheep: could I quote you? I think I'll need to bring attention to this (of course, "you do not official represent gnome", etc)... at least the icon theme makers must have had lots of problems @_@
[02:29] <nekohayo> officially*
[02:35] <TheSheep> nekohayo: I'm not affiliated with any team, I doubt mentioning my name will have any result. Of course you can quote me, though.
[02:35] <TheSheep> nekohayo: note also that my informations are not particulary fresh
[02:36] <nekohayo> TheSheep: it's not really about the name, more about the insights you gave me :)
[02:36] <TheSheep> nekohayo: you will get much better info on related mailing lists
[02:36] <nekohayo> hm hm
[02:43] <chimai> sleep time
[02:43] <chimai> see you all
[02:43] <chimai> and thanks a lot TheSheep ;)
[02:45] <TheSheep> good night
[02:45] <nekohayo> good night!
[10:40] <troy_s> happy new year to everyone who is in the proper zone :)


[03:59] <iCod> Hey, is there where I would talk to someone about ubuntu magazine
[03:59] <iCod> ?
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Yes.  Whether the right people are around is another matter.
[04:00] <iCod> alright
[04:01] <iCod> First, how often is the magazine released?
[04:03] <iCod> Does anyone know?
[04:03] <iCod> brb, a bit later, sorry
[04:20] <Burgundavia> anybody alive?
[04:21] <whiprush> I am a meat popsicle.
[04:22] <tonyyarusso> ...okay
[04:23] <Burgundavia> whiprush: you lovely human being. Now help me write the UWN
[04:23] <Burgundavia> we are going for a super issue of two weeks
[04:23] <whiprush> assign me something.
[04:23] <whiprush> But yeah, sure. :D
[04:23] <Burgundavia> can you write up a two paragraph piece on UDS?
[04:23] <whiprush> sure.
[04:24] <Burgundavia> first para: the why
[04:24] <Burgundavia> 2nd para: what was covered
[04:24] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: you up for some work?
[04:24] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ping
[04:25] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: you were looking for me yesteryda?
[04:25] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, just heading out, back sometime soon
[04:25] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: no worries
[04:26] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I need about an hour, acceptable?
[04:26] <whiprush> or do you want some fast food thing?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: hi, yes, yesterday or the day before.. regarding a post on the marketing mailing list, but I caught up with Madpilot in here followed by jenda which solved an issue on the doc. area of ubuntu.com with one directory
[04:26] <Burgundavia> no, trying to get out in 4:30 minutes, midnight my time
[04:26] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: want to help us write the UWN?
[04:26] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: thanks for following up though =)
[04:27] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: Ubuntu World News? :)
[04:27] <Burgundavia> I always try and satisfy
[04:27] <Burgundavia> we are up at gobby.ubuntu.com
[04:29] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: that would be awesome! :) It looks nice, are you going to retain the fridge logo though at top-left or go with something different to differentiate from the fridge page?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> no, that is where we are editing it
[04:29] <Burgundavia> gobby is a collaborative editor
[04:30] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: so gobby is the hard hat area that goes into fridge, or.. ?
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> Burgundavia: I doubt it.  I have a Quantum problem set due Friday :(
[04:30] <Burgundavia> right
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> When were you hoping to publish?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: no, the UWN is merely posted to the fridge
[04:31] <Burgundavia> tonyyarusso: tonight at midnight, PST
[04:31] <Burgundavia> and that gobby server merely shares a server with the fridge
[04:31] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I see, well I'd love to be of help, and thanks for the generous offer, but I don't know how I'd scoop any Ubuntu related up news faster than you guys are able to do it? :)
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> Grr.  Don't think I'll be much help then, unless a miracle occurs.
[04:32] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: we are writing the UWN for the past two weeks, from the 29th to the 4th
[04:32] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: I need somebody to write up a short piece on all the various Edgy reviews, including the slashdot "edgy nightmare" on
[04:32] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobby
[04:32] <Burgundavia> by short, I mean two paragraphs
[04:34] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: have you collected the urls to various Edgy reviews?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> not really
[04:34] <Burgundavia> they are not hard to find
[04:34] <lotusleaf> true
[04:35] <lotusleaf> why address the /. "edgy nightmare" piece?
[04:35] <whiprush> why not
[04:35] <whiprush> good, bad ..
[04:35] <lotusleaf> whiprush: why drag it out?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> we cover the news, not create it
[04:36] <whiprush> because if people have issues then hiding them doesn't fix anything.
[04:36] <Burgundavia> part of that news included people having issues with Ubuntu
[04:36] <Burgundavia> we are not FOX news
[04:36] <lotusleaf> lol
[04:37] <lotusleaf> I see your points
[04:37] <lotusleaf> so you want a gentle piece without bias
[04:38] <Burgundavia> I would group the reviews
[04:38] <Burgundavia> positive and then negatvie
[04:38] <Burgundavia> for the negative, mention how we address them
[04:38] <lotusleaf> so, if taking the edgy reviews like a carton of eggs, you'd pluck out the good and bad and compare with real information
[04:39] <lotusleaf> right
[04:39] <Burgundavia> maybe right up a little piece about upgrading as well
[04:39] <Burgundavia> link to henos and keybuks blog posts, the new updater spec, et.c
[04:40] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: you mean you guys haven't tapped the deep well of Ars Technica already for talent?
[04:40] <Burgundavia> we have, we have whiprush
[04:40] <lotusleaf> true
[04:42] <whiprush> rol
[04:42] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:43] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I don't know that *I* would be the right choice to tackle the subject you're looking to have someone cover, I don't know all the ins and outs of ubuntu devel to counter a lot of the reviews and information on specifics, some of them dive into detail
[04:43] <lotusleaf> I'm a simple link diver :)
[04:43] <Burgundavia> you are already qualified as the rest of us
[04:44] <Burgundavia> and you have something I currently don't have: time
[04:44] <lotusleaf> collecting and swimming in links, like scrooge mcduck in his money bin, is something I can do
[04:44] <Burgundavia> Even one line about the general gist of the interview with a link for each is fine
[04:44] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: ok, would you like me to gather as many reviews of edgy as I can?
[04:44] <whiprush> Burgundavia: who approves specs? the tech board?
[04:45] <whiprush> the final authority I mean
[04:45] <Burgundavia> the approver
[04:45] <Burgundavia> who is assigned by MDZ
[04:45] <whiprush> ok
[04:48] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: if that's what you're looking for, I can get started in a few minutes.
[04:48] <Burgundavia> perfect, thanks
[04:48] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: as for the compare/contrast wrap-up to forge a paragraph or two from, someone else may want to do that for the sake of clarity.
[04:48] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: right, I'll get on that now. =)
[04:49] <Burgundavia> excellent
[04:55] <iCod> ok, I'm back
[04:56] <iCod> Is there anyne in here I can talk to about the ubuntu magazine?
[04:56] <whiprush> someone link me up to a "perfect example" of a spec for feisty.
[04:56] <whiprush> I am trying to explain how a spec becomes a feature
[04:56] <whiprush> sort of like those old ABC morning "How a bill becomes a law" cartoons.
[05:01] <Burgundavia> make the default network services one?
[05:01] <whiprush> k
[05:03] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I'm on paragraph 5, but I'm going to keep writing.
[05:03] <whiprush> I figure we can trim down the fat and come up with the good paragraphs.
[05:03] <Burgundavia> no worries, I expected it to be long
[05:03] <whiprush> you know what they say, write 100 pages and there's a chance 2 of them will not suck.
[05:04] <Burgundavia> I only write good stuff
[05:05] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: in soviet russia, good stuff writes you
[05:05] <whiprush> you're a ninja
[05:06] <lotusleaf> fscking google.. tons of "check out my edgy review for (unrelated to linux)"
[05:21] <whiprush> Burgundavia: so ... I ended up writing about specs
[05:21] <whiprush> and not mtv itself
[05:21] <Burgundavia> that is fine
[05:22] <Burgundavia> can you do a three sentence piece about MTV?
[05:22] <whiprush> rol, yeah.
[05:22] <whiprush> let me put this up someplace.
[05:24] <Burgundavia> whiprush: gobby it
[05:24] <Burgundavia> gobby.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <whiprush> on it
[05:25] <whiprush> uwn 21 right?
[05:25] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:26] <whiprush> pasted
[05:26] <whiprush> now we need to butcher it
[05:26] <whiprush> Burgundavia: stepping out for a smoke.
[05:27] <whiprush> Cut what you feel is necessary, and I'll hit up the actual summit bit in a bit.
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ok, that rocks
[05:44] <Burgundavia> whiprush: ping me when you are back
[05:44] <whiprush> back
[05:44] <Burgundavia> ok, I played with it a bit, but it is yours again
[05:45] <whiprush> k
[05:46] <whiprush> damn, you didn't expand the intro or the conclusion
[05:46] <whiprush> that's like, the hardest part.
[05:46] <whiprush> heh
[05:47] <Burgundavia> I like to leave people to their own challenges
[05:47] <Burgundavia> I am not helping them by enabling their weakness
[05:47] <whiprush> heh
[05:47] <whiprush> curses
[05:48] <Burgundavia> if you believed that, I have a bridge to seel you
[05:48] <Burgundavia> sell, rather
[05:48] <whiprush> hmm
[05:48] <Burgundavia> or maybe seal
[05:48] <whiprush> let me invite an expert at these things
[05:48] <whiprush> how am I doing on time?
[05:49] <Burgundavia> you have about 3 hours
[05:49] <whiprush> perfect
[05:53] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: how are you doing?
[05:53] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: :) I'm on dial up, browsing with images disabled, it's going slow, but it's going =)
[05:53] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[05:54] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: seeing a lot of "edgy released!" and the same documents spewed over various major news sites
[05:54] <lotusleaf> sorting through them though no prob
[06:03] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I have one of the ars guys fixing it up.
[06:04] <Burgundavia> whiprush: have you got the latest from gobby?
[06:04] <whiprush> Burgundavia: "Ryan Paul" for the credits please. :D
[06:04] <whiprush> Burgundavia: yep.
[06:04] <Burgundavia> add it in
[06:04] <whiprush> l
[06:04] <whiprush> k
[06:04] <lotusleaf> what's the ubuntu paste bin location again plz?
[06:04] <lotusleaf> I wanna clear gedit =)
[06:34] <Burgundavia> whiprush: what are you doing right now?
[06:36] <lotusleaf> ever heard of Synapsis?
[06:37] <lotusleaf> i think one reviewer meant Synaptic, but he says Synapsis at least twice :P
[06:43] <Burgundavia> they meant synaptic or possible syanaptics, the touchpad driver/manufacturer
[06:43] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: yeah, they said package manager Synapsis :P
[06:57] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: copy and paste into a text editor for wrap around goodness: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/
[06:57] <Burgundavia> ok, that rocks
[06:57] <Burgundavia> small formatting stuff
[06:57] <Burgundavia> nuke the ----
[06:57] <lotusleaf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/
[06:58] <lotusleaf> oops: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32072/plain/
[06:58] <lotusleaf> they're all the same size, just find and replace with a blank space
[06:58] <Burgundavia> that is cool
[06:58] <Burgundavia> can you write a little intro paragraph?
[06:58] <lotusleaf> cool, I thought it wasn't that much
[06:59] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: are you sure you want to use that much quoted text from each url?
[06:59] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I thought you were going to perhaps parse it
[06:59] <Burgundavia> might want to shrink it down to just once sentence
[07:00] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: that's about all I can do with it tonight, do whatever with it =)
[07:01] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: my eyes are bleeding from horribly designed sites =)
[07:01] <Burgundavia> ok, no worries
[07:01] <lotusleaf> I should've used links
[07:01] <Burgundavia> no worries, I can play with it
[07:01] <Burgundavia> whiprush: my large and beautiful minion, present thy-self
[07:01] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: awesome
[07:01] <whiprush> Burgundavia: sorry, phone call
[07:02] <Burgundavia> whiprush: you back now?
[07:02] <whiprush> yep
[07:02] <Burgundavia> can you take lotusleaf's great work and parse it out
[07:02] <Burgundavia> one sentence for the summary
[07:02] <whiprush> so hey .. I would feel much more comfortable if we could get a dev to review what I wrote and check it for accuracy.
[07:02] <whiprush> sure, which part?
[07:02] <lotusleaf> whiprush: the summary sections
[07:03] <towsonu2003> hi
[07:03] <whiprush> k
[07:03] <whiprush> oh yeah
[07:03] <whiprush> hit that telepathy love dude.
[07:03] <Burgundavia> whiprush: your spec stuff? I will dig into it
[07:03] <Burgundavia> hey towsonu2003, you want a job?
[07:03] <towsonu2003> I was wndering whether the feedback in this link was previously discussed and whether there are projects to offer solutions to some of his/her points?
[07:04] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, not yet :) just had a question
[07:04] <Burgundavia> towsonu2003: sorry, context?
[07:04] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, context as in?
[07:04] <whiprush> Burgundavia: no, I was commenting on the person writing about telepathy in the UWN right now
[07:04] <whiprush> as in "awww yeah ..."
[07:04] <Burgundavia> that is me dude
[07:04] <lotusleaf> the summery with quotes are not my words, just what I quoted from the urls
[07:04] <lotusleaf> tobacco, where art thou my precious
[07:05] <whiprush> Burgundavia: what line # for the summary stuff?
[07:05] <whiprush> I don't see a section called summary anything
[07:05] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, I saw this at the wiki "Much of the team's communication and project coordination takes place in our IRC channel: #ubuntu-marketing on irc.freenode.net", at the same time came across that blog, and wanted to ask it here :) don't take this as flame or anything
[07:06] <Burgundavia> towsonu2003: sure, but we are currently neck deep in getting a UWN out
[07:06] <whiprush> also, isn't gnewsense capitalized gNewSense?
[07:06] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, oh ok -need any help
[07:06] <Burgundavia> whiprush: I was referring to lotusleaf's work on the Edgy Reviews stuff
[07:06] <Burgundavia> towsonu2003: yes, absolutely
[07:06] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue20 <-- see the bug section in this?
[07:07] <whiprush> "Riccardo Setti, while not quite the uploading machine that is Daniel Holbach, managed to upload a quite respectable total, including telepathy-gabble 0.4.4, telepathy-stream-engine 0.3.12, farsight 0.1.10, libtelepathy 0.0.39"
[07:07] <Burgundavia> we need the stats for this
[07:07] <whiprush> reword that
[07:07] <Burgundavia> it isn't done yet, dude
[07:07] <whiprush> sounds more like an insult than a complement
[07:07] <whiprush> yeah, just saying. :D
[07:07] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, I'll try to see what I can do
[07:07] <Burgundavia> I am dumping from my UWN folder
[07:07] <whiprush> oh oh, cool
[07:07] <Burgundavia> which, if you can imagine, is quite full right now
[07:09] <lotusleaf> and again, in case it was missed, the quotes within the summary field in the text are all from their respective urls nearby
[07:09] <lotusleaf> not my words! :)
[07:12] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: what is your real name?
[07:13] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I don't have one =)
[07:13] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: at least not online
[07:13] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32076/
[07:13] <whiprush> Burgundavia: does the UDS thing go on the top like the skeleton says, or leave it at the bottom?
[07:14] <Burgundavia> whiprush: hmm
[07:14] <elkbuntu> ok, im back now
[07:14] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: I like to credit people with their real name
[07:14] <elkbuntu> am i too late for uwn goodness?
[07:14] <Burgundavia> whiprush: hmm, at the top is beter
[07:14] <whiprush> k
[07:14] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: nope
[07:14] <whiprush> cutting and pasting
[07:14] <whiprush> WARNING!
[07:14] <Burgundavia> segphault: greetings
[07:14] <segphault> hi
[07:15] <towsonu2003> Burgundavia, should I go somewhere else (mailing list) for my question, or should I come back later to ask that question? ps. in case it was missed http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32076/ for bug stats
[07:15] <elkbuntu> where are we? gobby or wiki?
[07:15] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: I can appreciate that, thank you, but my real name deserves no credit. =)
[07:15] <Burgundavia> whiprush: remember, this UWN covers up to the 11th
[07:15] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: ok, no worries
[07:15] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: gobby
[07:15] <Burgundavia> anybody else having 100% when they type more than 4 letters at once?
[07:16] <segphault> it would be really cool if the ubuntu.com/usn stuff was also available in XML
[07:16] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: would be able to start proofing whiprush's and segphault's article?
[07:16] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: if you'd like, you can mention lotusleaf and link to my tiny page on launchpad or something?
[07:16] <elkbuntu> as soon as gobby decides to load, sure
[07:16] <Burgundavia> segphault: there is a bug for an RSS feed
[07:16] <segphault> cool
[07:16] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: whether or not you mention me, doesn't matter, I'm just happy to help.
[07:16] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: you are credited as Lotusleaf
[07:16] <whiprush> segphault: like the old ubuntu-summary
[07:16] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: thx =)
[07:17] <whiprush> done like the kernel cousin thing
[07:17] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: if you contribue, you get credit. It is my only hard and fast rule
[07:17] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: the other piece that needs proofing is the LP news, from Christian
[07:17] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: =) =)
[07:17] <Burgundavia> whiprush: that stuff you have from lotusleaf should go in the "in the press section"
[07:17] <whiprush> we're short on kubuntu news for feisty
[07:17] <whiprush> Burgundavia: eh? what stuff?
[07:18] <whiprush> did I miss a /msg?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> will now
[07:18] <segphault> whiprush: the UDS thing seems to have vanished...
[07:19] <segphault> if it's on your clipboard, I sure hope you don't accidentally copy something else. ;-)
[07:19] <Burgundavia> segphault: got moved up
[07:19] <segphault> ah, I see it.
[07:19] <whiprush> imbrandon: gobby.ubuntu.com, doc is UWN 21
[07:19] <elkbuntu> ahrm.. so we're not in poningru's gobby? if so then well. um... you're hiding really well
[07:19] <whiprush> imbrandon: go nuts.
[07:19] <whiprush> segphault: I moved it up
[07:19] <imbrandon> kk , lemme finish this one thing i got open then i'm on it
[07:20] <whiprush> Burgundavia: dude this lotusleaf thing is the size of an xbox.
[07:20] <Burgundavia> I am well aware of that
[07:20] <whiprush> Should I just link the title to the link?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> make it smaller :)
[07:20] <whiprush> and make one huge list?
[07:20] <Burgundavia> don't make links, and I like the summary
[07:21] <Burgundavia> it is ok if we are huge this week
[07:21] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: can you write about http://blog.josephhall.com/2006/11/sugar-cookies.html
[07:21] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, of course it's not, we have a few slack weeks to make up for
[07:21] <whiprush> ok, so how about:
[07:22] <whiprush> Title (linked) : Summary
[07:22] <whiprush> hi elkbuntu!
[07:22] <elkbuntu> hi whiprush!
[07:22] <Burgundavia> whiprush: don't link the titel, becuase it gets sent as plain text, but otherwise good
[07:22] <Burgundavia> title: summary
[07:22] <Burgundavia> link
[07:22] <whiprush> k
[07:24] <whiprush> ok
[07:24] <whiprush> so as an example
[07:24] <whiprush> Review: Ubuntu Edgy is nice, but not so edgy : "Aside from mention of Upstart, there's the comment "In fact, users might not notice much different anywhere in Edgy" "I was surprised to find that Gnucash is not installed by default in Edgy, since the 2.0 release came out in July," lack of a default finance app mentioned as a hole, difficulties mentioned with Orca, mention of Rhythmbox freezes, ends with "not as adventurous as
[07:24] <whiprush> URL: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/26/1552208
[07:25] <Burgundavia> whiprush: can you cut the summary to on sentence?
[07:25] <imbrandon> and the fact that all the screenshots etc are Kubuntu
[07:25] <imbrandon> :)
[07:25] <whiprush> Burgundavia: ok, I see.
[07:25] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:25] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: got an in the press thingy for you to write: http://news.com.com/A+Linux+start-up+on+the+path+to+profits/2008-1012_3-6130484.html
[07:26] <whiprush> Burgundavia: am I keeping them all or cutting out Joe Blog?
[07:26] <imbrandon> whiprush: it would be cool to note in there that the screenshots etc are kubuntu and they say the DE is KDE ( 3.5.4 ) even though its labled Ubuntu :)
[07:26] <Burgundavia> whiprush: make a value decision on which to keep
[07:27] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: the world is filled with lies
[07:27] <whiprush> imbrandon: bring that up with zonker, I'm the cut and paste guy for this gargantuan list. :p
[07:27] <imbrandon> :)
[07:27] <whiprush> Burgundavia: awesome, so I have to read all these too.
[07:27] <Burgundavia> now I realize why editos look so harried
[07:27] <whiprush> This is just fantastic.
[07:27] <whiprush> :D
[07:28] <imbrandon> one sec gone to grab a mt dew, i have some kde stuff for the new in feisty section and som UDS stuff to add
[07:28] <imbrandon> back in a sec
[07:28] <segphault> ping me if you need me
[07:29] <whiprush> hey wait
[07:29] <whiprush> seg|away:
[07:29] <seg|away> hm?
[07:29] <elkbuntu> wooh... wha? are we still this far behind?
[07:29] <whiprush> "Although Canonical claims that Upstart is significantly faster than init, Ars Linux users don't find that claim convincing, saying that despite Upstart's greater potential in the long term, it still doesn't provide superior performance in this release"
[07:29] <whiprush> what the hell dude
[07:29] <segphault> I added that because you told me to
[07:29] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: only two weeks
[07:29] <whiprush> that
[07:29] <whiprush> 's not righ
[07:29] <whiprush> and now I can't type.
[07:29] <Burgundavia> no it isn't
[07:29] <whiprush> dude, lol.
[07:30] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, as opposed to.. two weeks?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: this is a double issue
[07:30] <whiprush> I said "People are claiming that upstart is supposed to be faster than init, don't fall into that trap."
[07:30] <whiprush> or some such.
[07:30] <elkbuntu> it is? cool
[07:30] <lotusleaf> whiprush: was that one of the snippets I quoted? If so, I just quoted from the articles
[07:30] <whiprush> lotusleaf: yeah, I have the upstream author handy so I just pinged him. :D
[07:31] <lotusleaf> lol
[07:31] <imbrandon> in scotts words " upstart has the potential to be faster but thats just a side effect and is not the intent of upstart, and certainly not the case at the moment"
[07:31] <lotusleaf> whiprush: remember, none of the quotes were my words!
[07:31] <imbrandon> whiprush: ^^
[07:31] <whiprush> imbrandon: I know what scott said!
[07:31] <lotusleaf> whiprush: ah in irc.arstechnica #linux ?
[07:31] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:31] <whiprush> I apparently miscommunicated this to segphault
[07:31] <whiprush> ending up with this bogus line.
[07:31] <segphault> whiprush: Oct 26 07:26:51 <jorge> segphault: if you end up doing an ubuntu story, upstart isn't faster than normal innit (yet).
[07:32] <segphault> whiprush: I have quotes from canonical where they literally say it is faster
[07:32] <whiprush> yeah, that's correct.
[07:33] <whiprush> hmmm, who said that?
[07:33] <whiprush> we need to fix them. :p
[07:33] <Burgundavia> whiprush: for now, please report the news
[07:33] <whiprush> segphault: find me a more choice quote to your article, so we can just sidestep this.
[07:34] <Burgundavia> you can FOX news it later
[07:34] <whiprush> Burgundavia: thanks!
[07:34] <whiprush> ..
[07:34] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:35] <imbrandon> bwhahaha who added "In the "I have used $app since 1980 " thats fskin classic
[07:35] <segphault> whiprush: "Ubuntu 6.10, which includes the freshly released Firefox 2.0, sports the new Tangerine theme, designed to improve visual integration of the browser by making it better conform to Ubuntu's style. Other visual improvements are featured as well, including a new USplash startup screen that will provide better support for a wider range of resolutions."
[07:35] <whiprush> now that's more like it, thanks!
[07:36] <segphault> whiprush: from the official Ubuntu press release: "Upstart, a replacement start-up manager offering a cleaner design, eye-catching effects and a substantially faster boot time"
[07:36] <segphault> whiprush: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/610released
[07:36] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: have you got Kubuntu uploads? remember it is only covering oct 29th through the 11th of nov
[07:37] <whiprush> hmmm, shitty
[07:38] <whiprush> most of those improvements were probably due to moving to dash
[07:38] <whiprush> oh well.
[07:38] <segphault> who writes the press releases for Ubuntu?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> canonical
[07:38] <imbrandon> yea i'm writing about amarok and kde 3.5.5a now
[07:38] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: ^
[07:38] <Burgundavia> probably the new person
[07:38] <whiprush> indeed.
[07:38] <whiprush> they should really flesh that shit out during beta.
[07:38] <imbrandon> amarok got mtp and rio support this week
[07:38] <whiprush> instead of going for the day-of thing
[07:39] <whiprush> lotusleaf: dude did you purposely pick all the negative reviews for this list? :)
[07:39] <imbrandon> LOL
[07:39] <lotusleaf> whiprush: I didn't pick, I just cut and paste quick for Burgundavia
[07:40] <lotusleaf> whiprush: I'm on dialup and just grabbed a few
[07:40] <lotusleaf> whiprush: I didn't do any sorting
[07:40] <whiprush> heh, k
[07:40] <segphault> I think edgy failed to live up to over-inflated expectations
[07:40] <whiprush> reading through these is really frustrating.
[07:41] <segphault> it's hard to be really enamored with the edgy release
[07:41] <lotusleaf> whiprush: sorry, I didn't pick and choose anything, I was just asked to find some reviews ;) I'm sure there are a lot of others I missed, but my eyes were bleeding from poor web designs
[07:41] <whiprush> I've had no problems with edgy for my users.
[07:41] <whiprush> lotusleaf: not blaming you, I appreciate the time you put into this.
[07:41] <whiprush> just frustrated with the results.
[07:41] <segphault> I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with it, it just isn't a huge leap forward
[07:42] <lotusleaf> whiprush: how much time do you have for this?
[07:42] <whiprush> segphault: 6 month cycle dude, that's a feature.
[07:42] <whiprush> lotusleaf: I have 4 beers left.
[07:42] <lotusleaf> whiprush: I'm sure a good 2 or 3 people could do a quick link search for others (heh)
[07:42] <whiprush> extrapolate from there.
[07:42] <segphault> how do you write a really excited review about minor aesthetic changes and infrastructure improvements that aren't user-visible
[07:42] <whiprush> segphault: dude try writing gnome reviews.
[07:42] <whiprush> 6 months is fast.
[07:42] <segphault> oh I know. Same problem
[07:42] <segphault> it's just that shuttleworth really talked up edgy and made it sound like it was going to be an exciting release
[07:43] <whiprush> yeah well
[07:43] <lotusleaf> from what I've seen, a lot of people like it and love dapper, I guess a lot of ppl were hoping for insta-3d desktops and expected edgy to launch them into space or something
[07:43] <whiprush> he's not allowed to do that anymore I don't think. :D
[07:43] <segphault> I think he genuinely believed that compositing stuff would be ready for edgy
[07:43] <imbrandon> ok Burgundavia look over my "new in feisty this week" please for kubuntu, i'm moving to another section
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> I expected more from Edgy, even if not compositing.  I'm not sure what exactly, but it was hyped up more than it was capable of in the compressed cycle.
[07:44] <segphault> yeah
[07:44] <imbrandon> ok whiprush ^^
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: will do
[07:44] <imbrandon> s/ok/or
[07:44] <whiprush> I think the problem is that in the past ubuntu attracted existing debian/linux users, who know how to use dpkg and apt .. now we're into a whole new class of users cutting and pasting things from the forums and blowing stuff up.
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Realistically it sounds like Feisty+1 will be when we get excitement, with X 7.3 etc
[07:45] <whiprush> especially with the compiz seperate repository stuff.
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> whiprush: Also very true.  Back when the last study was done, very few Ubuntu users said it was their first Linux.  I'll bet money when Melissa releases her results we'll see something very different.
[07:45] <whiprush> "LOL I replaced half my X with some repo, and now edgy is broken."
[07:46] <whiprush> we saw that coming from _2_ miles away.
[07:46] <imbrandon> only 2? your blind
[07:46] <imbrandon> :)
[07:46] <whiprush> imbrandon: the expression is "I saw that coming from a mile away."
[07:46] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:46] <whiprush> so saying 2 miles makes it more important. :p
[07:46] <imbrandon> right on, i was just joshin ya
[07:47] <whiprush> but yeah, sabdfl kind of strongly hinted that the bling was coming in edgy.
[07:47] <lotusleaf> whiprush: one user told me they did a netstat and saw hundreds of connections to different addresses @ port 6667-6669. I asked him if he had installed anything different lately, he said "yeah I added more places to get software from from a website with a different language"
[07:47] <whiprush> did you guys see that story?
[07:47] <whiprush> some dude with a repo
[07:47] <whiprush> changed the wallpaper
[07:47] <imbrandon> hahahaha lotusleaf
[07:48] <whiprush> to be like "installing things from 3rd party repos is bad"
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> 6667..what is that?
[07:48] <imbrandon> whiprush: yea i know the guy personaly
[07:48] <whiprush> it was on planet debian
[07:48] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: irc
[07:48] <whiprush> imbrandon: I applaud his effort.
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> right
[07:48] <whiprush> for better or worse.
[07:48] <lotusleaf> whiprush: yeah that was on planet ubuntu too I think
[07:48] <tonyyarusso> I knew it was familiar
[07:48] <imbrandon> whiprush: as did all the ubuntu devs in -devel ( it was _ion that hangs out in -devel )
[07:49] <whiprush> oh, lol.
[07:49] <imbrandon> he even gave out the source for the package for others to use if they wanted :)
[07:49] <whiprush> what's sad
[07:49] <whiprush> is someday, someone will burn alot of users.
[07:49] <lotusleaf> the only 3rd party repo I use is the one for wine listed @ winehq, and even then I don't like the fact that I haven't seen a key posted anywhere for that repo, oh well
[07:49] <whiprush> and it will end up being ubuntu's fault anyway.
[07:49] <whiprush> anyway, back to working
[07:49] <imbrandon> whiprush: yea i think thats why more walpapers like that are neeed
[07:49] <imbrandon> yup me too
[07:49] <whiprush> I can feel Burgundavia staring at us....
[07:50] <imbrandon> lol
[07:50] <imbrandon> whiprush / elkbuntu got a link to an explination of soyuz ?
[07:50] <elkbuntu> you know, he wouldnt notice so much if we didnt ping his nick like that :
[07:51] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: how you making out with that article I asked to write about?
[07:51] <elkbuntu> well shit, we're busted now
[07:51] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, the one already in gobby?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> whiprush: how you making out with those reviews?
[07:51] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: no, the one I told you about
[07:51] <imbrandon> whiprush: has anyone added the link leslie posted to the video of mark talking at UDS to the google people ?
[07:52] <Burgundavia>  elkbuntu: got an in the press thingy for you to write: http://news.com.com/A+Linux+start-up+on+the+path+to+profits/2008-1012_3-6130484.html
[07:52] <elkbuntu> yeah, check the in the press section in gobby
[07:52] <elkbuntu> i just havent thought up a title thing for it yet
[07:52] <imbrandon> ewww who's using tinyurl in the news letter
[07:52] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: ok
[07:52] <elkbuntu> ewww me, because its a hugeass long url
[07:53] <whiprush> Burgundavia: about 50% thru
[07:53] <Burgundavia> whiprush: cool
[07:53] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: got another one: http://cs.senecac.on.ca/fsoss/2006/recordings/
[07:53] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: Dave Sullivan from -ca was there
[07:54] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: what are you currently working on?
[07:54] <imbrandon> the sab video
[07:54] <imbrandon> on in the press
[07:54] <imbrandon> from UDS
[07:54] <Burgundavia> cool, ok
[07:57] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: Zune is actually not a "Plays for Sure" device
[07:57] <Burgundavia> it is most emphatically not
[07:57] <lotusleaf> I'd like to jump rope on a zune
[07:57] <Burgundavia> it doesn
[07:57] <Burgundavia> 't even install on Vista yet
[07:57] <whiprush> Burgundavia: ok, where do I stick these?
[07:57] <imbrandon> ahh Burgundavia well libmtp is for microsoft transport devices
[07:58] <imbrandon> i figured zunes was one
[07:58] <Burgundavia> whiprush: in the in the press
[07:58] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6120272.stm
[07:58] <whiprush> huge paste going in
[07:58] <Burgundavia> whiprush: add a seperate subsection called "Edgy Reviews"
[07:59] <whiprush> did so
[07:59] <Burgundavia> perfect
[08:00] <whiprush> imbrandon: are you a typical UWN contributor?
[08:00] <whiprush> imbrandon: ie. is this your first time?
[08:00] <imbrandon> this is like the second or 3rd time
[08:00] <imbrandon> i'm not an every week guy no
[08:01] <whiprush> imbrandon: cool. So whenever kubuntu news are weak, I'm going to find you. :)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> some of my regular people have dropped away, such as johnlittle and lophyte
[08:01] <whiprush> this should make finding another volunteer your priority. Heh.
[08:01] <elkbuntu> yeah, and i've been little use the past few weeks
[08:01] <imbrandon> whiprush: sounds cool, i'm *trying* to become the new kubuntu cheerleader as we really dont have one, talked to jono a bit about it at UDS
[08:01] <imbrandon> :)
[08:02] <whiprush> Burgundavia, this means you should just become annoying and rile us up.
[08:02] <whiprush> otherwise most of us will just idle and not care.
[08:02] <Burgundavia> it isn't hard to get people to work
[08:02] <imbrandon> ok someone ( whiprush ) please proof the green inthe press section
[08:02] <Burgundavia> just dive in yourself and you will all follow
[08:02] <whiprush> on it
[08:02] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: you lacking a job?'
[08:03] <elkbuntu> not at all
[08:03] <elkbuntu> just trying to figure what to say about this thingie
[08:06] <whiprush> imbrandon: see line 83, confused at what you're trying to say.
[08:06] <imbrandon> 01:04 < imbrandon> Riddell: i'm working on the UWN right now as the token kde guy, we're about to push it out
[08:06] <imbrandon> 01:04 < imbrandon> got somthing to add?
[08:06] <imbrandon> 01:05 < Riddell> imbrandon: point to sebas and seele's blogs
[08:06] <imbrandon> crap sorry wrong window
[08:06] <imbrandon> 01:05 < imbrandon> k i have seele's link got sebas's ?
[08:06] <imbrandon> ok whiprush
[08:06] <imbrandon> 01:05 < Riddell> imbrandon: and say what rocking specs we have
[08:07] <imbrandon> 01:05 < Riddell> vizzzion.org
[08:07] <imbrandon> umm it was drasticly changed in edgy, and we reverted to the normal dapper ( and pre-dapper ) way
[08:07] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I would feel more comfortable if one of the devs would proofread the spec section I wrote.
[08:07] <imbrandon> whiprush: ^
[08:08] <whiprush> imbrandon: I need you to explain the how the feature works.
[08:08] <whiprush> as it reads now, you need to know KDE intimately to know what you're trying to say.
[08:08] <imbrandon> the root filesystem in edgy was hidden from the user, by revolt of the cumminty that was undone
[08:08] <whiprush> ah k
[08:09] <whiprush> wait, so you guys added / to .hidden?
[08:09] <imbrandon> no we added a .hidden file to /
[08:09] <imbrandon> but yea same idea
[08:09] <whiprush> hardcore.
[08:09] <imbrandon> :)
[08:09] <whiprush>  / is pretty hard to find in gnome.
[08:10] <imbrandon> its really in the users best intrest but the old skool p33pz dident see it that way
[08:10] <whiprush> yeah
[08:10] <whiprush> I hear ya
[08:10] <whiprush> I hear that argument all the time.
[08:10] <imbrandon> and in reality gnome has supported it in all 2.X but nooo that wouldent make it right :)

[08:11] <whiprush> I don't see why users need to learn the unix filesystem, but that's best argued over beers.
[08:11] <imbrandon> anyhow , yea if you can put that into some elegant words i will kiss you :)
[08:11] <imbrandon> whiprush: exactly :)
[08:12] <whiprush> imbrandon: check it now, read better?
[08:13] <imbrandon> yea except the "way KDE way"
[08:13] <imbrandon> :)
[08:13] <whiprush> we have a "filesystem" icon in GNOME's computer section
[08:13] <elkbuntu> hmm.. this reminds me of the first night at the pub :
[08:13] <whiprush> which has irritated me for years
[08:14] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: you have a small problem with the 3.5.5a stuff: It is outside the scope of this UWN
[08:14] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: yea , whiprush  me and keybuk got into this convo over some beers ;)
[08:14] <whiprush> imbrandon: in case you haven't noticed, I consider anything a normal user needs to do out of ~ to be a bug. :D
[08:14] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: well that change was actualy in kubuntu-default-settings and done while at UDS
[08:14] <imbrandon> the 3.5.5a wasent
[08:14] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: I count upload date
[08:15] <imbrandon> right i need to change the wording
[08:15] <Burgundavia> makes it really simple to figure out whether something has been talked about or not
[08:15] <Burgundavia> and the == Feisty Changes == section is stuff that is already available
[08:15] <Burgundavia> ie: uploaded
[08:15] <whiprush> it's like 2:15am here. anything else?
[08:15] <whiprush> love to stick around and do more
[08:16] <Burgundavia> whiprush: you have done lots, you can sleep now
[08:16] <whiprush> but I need to go to work in the morning.
[08:16] <whiprush> Burgundavia: thank you, grand master, may i have another?
[08:16] <imbrandon> ok Burgundavia fixed, and now it does fall into the scope
[08:17] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: perfect. Would you mind parsing -default-settings each time it gets uploaded? I find it quite arcane to figure out what end users actually care about
[08:17] <imbrandon> sure
[08:17] <elkbuntu> we're still lacking a soyuz thing
[08:17] <imbrandon> i dont mind regulary contributing, i just forget about the jam session dates :)
[08:17] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: ^^
[08:17] <Burgundavia> why do we need a soyuz thing?
[08:17] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: we have been slacking on them recently
[08:18] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, we can put you on the list of people to annoy if you like
[08:18] <imbrandon> well if you poke me, i';ll do my best :)
[08:18] <imbrandon> still need a feature of the week
[08:18] <imbrandon> too
[08:19] <elkbuntu> hmm... so you're ready for the 'property of Burgundavia' tattoo?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> we have enought stuff
[08:19] <whiprush> imbrandon: see my last edit
[08:19] <imbrandon> so drop that section ?
[08:19] <whiprush> line 310
[08:19] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: yes
[08:19] <imbrandon> whiprush: hahahahaha
[08:19] <whiprush> <3
[08:19] <elkbuntu> rofl
[08:19] <Burgundavia> building my harem, want to join imbrandon? I can promise no wages, terrible job security and much abuse
[08:20] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: sure :)
[08:20] <imbrandon> as with the rest of the project :)
[08:20] <imbrandon> ( that i'm quite happly a member of )
[08:20] <imbrandon> sides you all need a token kde guy arround :)
[08:20] <Burgundavia> in the upcoming events, there is a register.com url, should be in the press sectoin
[08:20] <elkbuntu> unfortunately, you speak the truth :-/
[08:20] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: kde > gnome =)
[08:21] <lotusleaf> there needs to be more reviews for kubuntu
[08:21] <lotusleaf> in my search there's a lot for ubuntu but only one or two for kubuntu
[08:21] <lotusleaf> not to mention edubuntu of course
[08:22] <imbrandon> lotusleaf: there are a few, but i totaly agree, thus some of my talks with jono about a kubuntu cheerleader :)
[08:22] <lotusleaf> lol
[08:22] <imbrandon> i think in that pic of him at the bar the last night he was recruiting me two :)
[08:22] <lotusleaf> I'll have to write up a detailed review of Kubuntu with screenshots when the next version hits
[08:23] <elkbuntu> lotusleaf, that rush starts in the next few days, so start work now
[08:23] <lotusleaf> :o
[08:24] <elkbuntu> you know the parts where we've been saying we've been slack? we were not lying.
[08:24] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: I'll review it when it's out, I won't be testing it like I did edgy from knot 3 on, not with dialup =) although I did find a bit of rest with updates by switching temp. from kde to openbox
[08:25] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: please take the offtopic chatter elsewhere while we work on the UWN
[08:25] <lotusleaf> are there people who run PR for edubuntu?
[08:25] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: right, sorry
[08:25] <elkbuntu> lotusleaf, riched i guess would be the person to liase with for edubuntu, he'd at least be able to identify a victim
[08:26] <lotusleaf> elkbuntu: thx
[08:26] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: where would be a good section to add about seele's ( kde useability ) work that will be going into feisty ?
[08:26] <imbrandon> ( that was the main reason she was at UDS )
[08:27] <Burgundavia> add a specific section on that, under the Feisty Changes (subheading)
[08:27] <imbrandon> k
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> That's the lone girl in the pic of the Kubuntu folks, isn't it?
[08:29] <elkbuntu> ok, im going to go back to the beginning and proof the lot now, Burgundavia
[08:29] <Burgundavia> ok, I am stuck on the wording of teh UDS thingy
[08:29] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: would you mind poking tha tfirst?
[08:30] <elkbuntu> line #?
[08:30] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: yea
[08:30] <Burgundavia> first bit in the community news
[08:31] <elkbuntu> the bit that mentions the bottle dance?
[08:31] <Burgundavia> yep\
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> Thought so.  I'm slightly amused by the idea of bringing in a female to make things usable ;)
[08:31] <imbrandon> tonyyarusso: she is paid by KDE as a useability expert and also has another job where that is her sole function :)
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> Good stuff
[08:33] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: while i look up to url's to seele and sebeas can you look over line 99
[08:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:33] <imbrandon> thanks
[08:33] <elkbuntu> im getting pretty crap lag btw
[08:33] <Burgundavia> so am I
[08:33] <imbrandon> me 3
[08:34] <Burgundavia> it cause my CPU usage to massive spike
[08:34] <Burgundavia> use their real names first, then their nicks
[08:34] <imbrandon> kk
[08:35] <elkbuntu> Firstname "Nickname" Lastname works well imho
[08:36] <Burgundavia>  * Open  (19313) +1137 over two weeks ago <-- rofl on the bug numbers
[08:36] <Burgundavia> wait, that is 1337, rather
[08:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:38] <imbrandon> ok i'm done with 99
[08:39] <imbrandon> brb , potty break then i'm ready for another job Burgundavia
[08:39] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[08:39] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i dont know if i've made it any better or not
[08:39] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: two p's in your last name?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> of course you ahve
[08:39] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, no
[08:39] <Burgundavia> stop being so down on yourself
[08:39] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, i wasnt being down on myself.. it still sounds awkward
[08:41] <imbrandon> oh crap i forgot about nuno and kwwii from upstream kde too , gah
[08:41] <imbrandon> elkbuntu: you know nuno's last name ?
[08:42] <elkbuntu> um... im sure there's somewhere to find out
[08:43] <elkbuntu> well crap... he hides well
[08:44] <imbrandon> i got it
[08:44] <imbrandon> hrm
[08:44] <imbrandon> gobby time out ?
[08:44] <imbrandon> nevermind
[08:44] <Burgundavia> whiprush: your spec article is well written
[08:45] <elkbuntu> when you've both finished what you're doing, i think we might do a save
[08:45] <Burgundavia> saving continually, don't worry
[08:46] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: can you proof the Feisty Changes section?
[08:46] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, good man
[08:46] <imbrandon> ok i added a bit in 93 if you want to reread it again Burgundavia
[08:46] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: we avoid using too many moinisms like [blah blah]
[08:47] <imbrandon> kk
[08:48] <Burgundavia> got line 93
[08:48] <imbrandon> great
[08:48] <Burgundavia> can you proof the LP stuff?
[08:48] <imbrandon> you rock
[08:48] <imbrandon> yup
[08:50] <Burgundavia> nah, you wrote it
[08:50] <Burgundavia> I just tweaked it
[08:52] <elkbuntu> sokdoku <-- is it actually spelled that (never sure with application names)
[08:53] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia --^
[08:53] <Burgundavia> elkbuntu: don't tell me, fix it
[08:53] <elkbuntu> im asking a question
[08:53] <imbrandon> google spellcheck :)
[08:53] <Burgundavia> that is a spelling mistake on my part
[08:54] <elkbuntu> i know how to spell sudoku, applications are not always so logical
[08:55] <Burgundavia> right
[08:56] <Burgundavia> well, I am ready to copy back to the wiki for a final check, when you are, imbrandon and elkbuntu
[08:56] <elkbuntu> im only a 3rd of the way through a check swee[
[08:56] <elkbuntu> sweep*
[08:56] <Burgundavia> ok
[08:58] <elkbuntu> hmm.. wasnt all that LP stuff in the last uwn?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> might have been, I didn't think so
[08:58] <Burgundavia> no, you are right
[08:58] <imbrandon> yup i've glanced the whole thing, looks good to me
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ok, copying back from
[09:00] <elkbuntu> yep. up to you whether the LP stuff stays or goes
[09:01] <Burgundavia> killed it, it is old
[09:01] <elkbuntu> :)
[09:01] <elkbuntu> it's a long enough issue anyway
[09:04] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, are you going to send it forth now?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> on the wiki, final edit
[09:05] <Burgundavia> please make one final check now
[09:06] <imbrandon> url ?
[09:06] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue21
[09:06] <imbrandon> sorry not used to the marketing yet :)
[09:06] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:06] <elkbuntu> we'll have you fluent in no time
[09:07] <imbrandon> hahaha :)
[09:07] <elkbuntu> RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!!!!!!!
[09:08] <jenda> good morning
[09:08] <jenda> I'll have a quick look as well.
[09:09] <elkbuntu> i'll forgive you when my posters arrive :
[09:09] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: crap i need to make an edit
[09:09] <imbrandon> i mispelled kens name
[09:09] <Burgundavia> edit away
[09:09] <imbrandon> k
[09:10] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, wimer is how it is on launchpad
[09:11] <imbrandon> yup changed
[09:11] <imbrandon> ok Burgundavia done, looks good from here
[09:11] <Burgundavia> jenda: you can edit it, if you want
[09:14] <jenda> I will make a few minor edits.
[09:15] <imbrandon> jenda: while your in there you might add "Leslie Hawthorn, our gracious hostess from Google " + "for the Developers Summit" or something to that effect
[09:15] <imbrandon> those that werent at USD would have no idea
[09:15] <jenda> ok
[09:15] <jenda> where - to the credits?
[09:16] <imbrandon> in the press
[09:16] <jenda> (i didn't have a chance to read the whole thing)
[09:16] <jenda> ok
[09:16] <imbrandon> the first part of what i quoted is existing
[09:16] <imbrandon> the second or similar needs to be added
[09:17] <jenda> imbrandon: would "our gracious UDS hostess" cut it?
[09:17] <imbrandon> sure ( from google )
[09:17] <imbrandon> :)
[09:18] <jenda> our gracious hostess (of the Ubuntu Developer Summit) from Google
[09:18] <jenda> better?
[09:18] <jenda> saving... :)
[09:18] <imbrandon> she was the google emplyyeee that took care of everything ( and is the opensource dept head at google for SoC )
[09:18] <jenda> neat
[09:19] <imbrandon> yea she was really cool, even had a few of us to her house for drinks etc ( he hubby is the lead ff dev )
[09:19] <imbrandon> lol
[09:19] <jenda> hehe :)
[09:19] <imbrandon> s/he hubby/her hubby/
[09:19] <elkbuntu> fiancee
[09:19] <Burgundavia> jenda: where are you at?
[09:19] <imbrandon> yea yea yea , might as well be hubby :)
[09:19] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep soonish
[09:19] <imbrandon> me 3
[09:19] <jenda> Burgundavia: done
[09:19] <Burgundavia> anybody else?
[09:19] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, depends how many more times she calls up with hackers to drive home
[09:20] <imbrandon> lol true
[09:20] <imbrandon> he wasent happy about that
[09:20] <elkbuntu> dude, that was crazy
[09:20] <jenda> Burgundavia: one more thingy, but done.
[09:20] <elkbuntu> mind you, her driving in a normal mood isnt much better
[09:21] <Burgundavia> jenda: have you added yourself to the contributors?
[09:21] <imbrandon> hahah that how we all drive in "amerrika"
[09:21] <jenda> that was the thingy :)
[09:21] <jenda> Who wrote the Forging of Feisty?
[09:21] <elkbuntu> imbrandon, you all set acceleration records?
[09:21] <jenda> It's very well written. I like it :)
[09:22] <Burgundavia> whiprush, with seg|away
[09:22] <imbrandon> pretty much, its all gas or none
[09:22] <jenda> I'll probably be quoting that at times.
[09:23] <jenda> Sounds like drivers in Italy :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> :)
[09:23] <jenda> (my experience of american drivers is exactly the opposite, though)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> sent
[09:23] <jenda> OTOH, that was some 11 years ago... you guys have probably evolved...
[09:23] <jenda>
[09:24] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:24] <imbrandon> Burgundavia: rockin
[09:24] <jenda> Although, I spent last year in Canada, and had the impression Canadian drivers were also very Law abiding...
[09:24] <imbrandon> ok off for a snack and bed, Burgundavia please poke me anytime for jam sessions , i'll keep notes durring the week
[09:24] <jenda> ...everywhere, except Quebec.
[09:24] <imbrandon> LOL
[09:24] <jenda> That's where you begin to fear for your life on the streets...
[09:26] <Burgundavia> 22 created
[09:26] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: you can dig into the Kubuntu stuff, if you wish
[09:26] <imbrandon> sounds good to me :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ok, I am kind of stunned
[09:38] <Burgundavia> my inbox is empty
[09:49] <jenda> Mine has a flashy UWN in it... aww
[09:49] <elkbuntu> Burgundavia, your weekly thankyou email not arrived yet?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> not yet
[09:49] <elkbuntu> awww
[09:50] <jenda> and now?
[09:50] <jenda>
[09:50] <Burgundavia> heh
[09:51] <jenda> OMG, spam is going crazy on teh marketing list.
[09:53] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: thank you for pulling me in for a tiny bit of help. If you need any help in the future, please let me know, I'll try my best. =)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> lotusleaf: thanks for being willing to lend a hand
[09:53] <lotusleaf> Burgundavia: yw, anytime
[10:28] <jenda> Burgundavia: any idea when your bro might be reachable?
[10:35] <jenda> hello ubotu :)
[11:09] <lotusleaf> jenda: ping
[11:10] <jenda> KABOOM
[11:10] <lotusleaf> jenda: just had a comment on your recent post on that obey thread
[11:11] <lotusleaf> jenda: I've read on other places on the web about an interest in those rough designs as cafepress or whatever else tshirts and stuff, ppl especially like the idea of it on an all black shirt
[11:11] <jenda> yes yes, so do I :)
[11:11] <jenda> I can get shirts done for about $10 each.
[11:11] <lotusleaf> jenda: my only recommendation is that if you do go forward with this, don't have OBEY or refer to them as OBEY when selling shirts
[11:12] <jenda> of course :)
[11:12] <jenda> I'll call them rough.
[11:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: because the whole OBEY thing, when it comes to money, I'm sure, is copyrighted by the guy who did Obey Giant
[11:12] <jenda> Since I have no clue what the obey meansany way.
[11:12] <lotusleaf> ah, ok, you're already way ahead of me, figures =)
[11:12] <jenda>
[11:12] <jenda> Not at all :)
[11:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: it's explained on the wikipedia page I linked to in the post
[11:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: which links to the official OBEY site
[11:12] <lotusleaf> jenda: for obey giant
[11:13] <jenda> can you link teh post?
[11:13] <jenda> (so I don't have to search)
[11:13] <lotusleaf> one sec
[11:14] <lotusleaf> jenda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obey_Giant
[11:14] <lotusleaf> i'll just link you to the wiki
[11:14] <lotusleaf> ^ there ;)
[11:14] <lotusleaf> with the obeygiant website listed below on that wikipedia page under external links
[11:15] <jenda> i see
[11:16] <lotusleaf> I'll help you understand it quickly
[11:16] <lotusleaf> "His "Obey" Campaign draws from the John Carpenter movie "They Live", taking a number of slogans, including the "Obey" slogan, as well as the "This is Your God" slogan.[1] "
[11:16] <lotusleaf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey
[11:16] <lotusleaf> if you've never seen THEY LIVE, you should
[11:16] <jenda> hehe
[11:16] <lotusleaf> it may not have the best acting, but I believe everyone should see they live once
[11:17] <lotusleaf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
[11:18] <lotusleaf> just skimming the they live page about the movie should give you an idea
[11:18] <lotusleaf> it's a wild movie, too bad the ending tapers off into lameness imo
[11:18] <jenda> ok
[11:21] <jenda> looks... funky ;)
[11:21] <jenda> I might check it out...
[11:21] <jenda> ...once I have time.
[11:21] <lotusleaf> haha
[11:21] <lotusleaf> so is everyone here asleep when you're up in your part of the world?
[11:22] <jenda> No, I won't ever have time, so I might squeeze it in some time that i don't have...
[11:22] <lotusleaf> lol
[11:22] <jenda> hehe... nah, in the evening (europe) it wakes up.
[11:22] <lotusleaf> that's cool
[11:28] <lotusleaf> cpk1: hello
[11:28] <lotusleaf> jendafish
[11:28] <cpk1> hi all, would be great to have a link up with the posters about the shirts
[11:28] <jenda> hehe
[11:28] <cpk1> XD
[11:29] <lotusleaf> cpk1: indeed!
[11:29] <jenda> the t-shirts aren't even designed yet, let alone availabel.
[11:29] <jenda> OTOH, they will be.
[11:29] <jenda> A website is being worked on... diy.devubuntu.com
[11:29] <lotusleaf> cpk1: post to that obey thread on ubuntu forums ;)
[11:29] <jenda> (will be diy.ubuntu.com once finished)
[11:29] <lotusleaf> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296742
[11:30] <jenda> not too successful, was it :)
[11:30] <jenda> it's not the marketing teams venture, mind. It's private.
[11:30] <jenda> The marketing team rejected it :)
[11:30] <cpk1> eh, its late and i'm lazy
[11:31] <cpk1> my class got cancelled for tomorrow =)
[11:31] <cpk1> so i am taking it easy
[11:31] <jenda> mine too.
[11:31] <cpk1> lord knows my professor is
[11:31] <lotusleaf> hehe
[11:32] <cpk1> you calling us kde people gear heads?
[11:32] <jenda> I can't wait till the Canadians get up.... need to talk to Brian.
[11:32] <cpk1> =P
[11:32] <jenda>
[11:32] <lotusleaf> jenda: wow, I am tired, I read that as Cardassians
[11:32] <cpk1> well here on the west coast its 2:40 so you might be waiting a while
[11:32] <jenda> I know.
[11:32] <jenda> It's daily routine...
[11:33] <jenda> it rotates nicely - when I get up in the morning, only the latest amercans are still up (such as Corey)
[11:33] <jenda> he goes to be soon after...
[11:34] <jenda> aussies are coming back from work - or leaving work AND IRC behind...
[11:34] <jenda> europeans go _to_ work, or come to their work computers and switch on IRC
[11:35] <jenda> etc :)
[11:35] <cpk1> hehe
[11:35] <cpk1> i'm always up much later than i should
[11:35] <cpk1> but things that get me interested always seem to pop up late at night
[11:35] <jenda> yp
[11:35] <cpk1> like last night, stupid cdrecord...
[11:36] <jenda> I hate cdrecord
[11:36] <jenda> it hate my burner, in turn.
[11:36] <cpk1> yeah well it wasnt detecting my cd-rw
[11:36] <jenda> on the lappy?
[11:36] <cpk1> and i know my burner can use that brand of discs
[11:36] <cpk1> desktop
[11:36] <jenda> ok
[11:37] <cpk1> although i think my laptop also has a burner that can do cd-rw
[11:37] <cpk1> the laptop really needs an internal drive though
[11:37] <jenda> mine gets detected, and pretends to burn, and either fails, or pretends to succeed and fails all the same :?
[11:37] <jenda> haven't tried on Edgy, yet, thoug.h
[11:37] <cpk1> well it just tells me i have no medium
[11:37] <jenda> eek
[11:38] <cpk1> but after having my room mate burn to the cd-rw i can now mount it and -atip can see it
[11:38] <cpk1> and it mounted it as /media/dvdrecorder
[11:38] <cpk1> which i think is the problem
[11:38] <cpk1> i never tried using cdrecorder with /media/dvdrecorder
[11:39] <jenda> hmm
[11:39] <jenda> no idea... it's slightly OT too...
[11:39] <cpk1> just venting =P
[11:41] <jenda>
[11:42] <cpk1> stupid thing was driving me up a wall last night
[03:01] <jenda> Huzzah
[03:03] <cpk1> hooray
[03:49] <jenda> MenZa?
[03:49] <MenZa> Mmm?
[03:49] <jenda> I have just been suggested Ubuntu roughcut stickers...
[03:49] <jenda> what do you think about that?
[03:50] <MenZa> roughcut?
[03:50] <jenda> http://doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing/DIY%20Material/Ubuntu_Posters_Roughcut/Ubuntu-roughcut.png
[03:50] <jenda> obey
[03:50] <MenZa> interesting
[03:51] <MenZa> Kinda.. communis if you ask me
[03:51] <MenZa> communist*
[03:51] <jenda> hehe :)
[03:51] <jenda> might be )
[03:51] <jenda> dunno, didn't think of that.
[03:52] <MenZa> lol
[03:52] <MenZa> Hmm, it's possibl
[03:52] <MenZa> possible*
[03:52] <jenda> I'll probably be doing t-shirts of that design....
[03:53] <jenda> but I'm not sure if stickers are worth it.
[03:53] <MenZa> nea
[03:53] <MenZa> neat*
[03:54] <jenda> I need Madpilot to polish it a bit, though, because it's not good enough by my standards :)
[03:54] <MenZa> lol
[03:54] <jenda> all those black smudges are exactly the same, and it doesn't look natural.
[03:54] <MenZa> ut
[03:54] <MenZa> true*
[03:55] <jenda> the text looks great, but the logo itself only has a few (5+3) of those copy-pasted smudges... :)
[03:56] <jenda> besides, the copyright/trademark notice doesn't cut it :)
[03:56] <jenda> anyway, I'll save that for MP
[03:58] <jenda> oooh... I think Madpilot's gonna kill me :)
[06:19] <Burgwork> jenda: hmm?
[06:21] <jenda> I'm looking for Madpilot :)
[06:21] <jenda> Business proposal.
[06:21] <jenda> :-D
[11:57] <whiprush> Burgwork: ping
[11:57] <Burgwork> whiprush: pongers
[11:57] <whiprush> http://community.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/16/1443243&tid=53&tid=96&pagenum=2
[11:57] <whiprush> "One of the things missing in Edgy is a desktop search tool like Beagle. It looks like Ubuntu is going to forgo Beagle integration in favor of Tracker, mostly for performance reasons."
[11:57] <Burgwork> saw that
[11:57] <whiprush> that doesn't sound right
[11:57] <Burgwork> no, it isn't right
[11:57] <Burgwork> zonkers needs to be spanking
[11:57] <Burgwork> spanked, rather
[11:58] <Burgwork> whiprush: can you write up a bit about it in the latest UWN?
[11:58] <whiprush> write up about ?
[11:59] <elkbuntu> find a nice way to say: 'thanks for noticing us, but you're clueless idiots'
[11:59] <whiprush> heh
[11:59] <whiprush> someone must have fed him bad information when I wasn't looking.
[12:00] <elkbuntu> hehe
[12:02] <whiprush> Burgwork: I'll just have zonker fix the article
[12:02] <Burgwork> whiprush: yep, but I also want to talk about the article in the next UWN
[12:03] <whiprush> k
[12:03] <whiprush> let me fix Zonker first.
[12:03] <whiprush> We have enough tracker vapor going around without people thinking that we're going to ship it ootb.


[01:38] <angeliang>  anyone having problem when tried to recompile gtk+?
[08:28] <mulima> hi
[08:29] <mulima> anyone could tell me if this patch is natively included in ubuntu kernel http://www.tls-technologies.com/CPU/cpu-main.html ?
[08:30] <mjg59> mulima: Given that the patch there is for kernel 2.4, no
[08:32] <mulima> hooo yes, read ut too quickly
[08:32] <mulima> is there anything to make the same thing under 2.6.x ?
[08:35] <mulima> not the right place i suppose  .. will ask in an other chan ;)
[08:36] <mulima> thanks mjg59


[00:14] <rww> ActionParsnip: I am, but iirc the /topic link was about them not working *at all*
[00:15] <ActionParsnip> rww: yeah, its like a milder version. Gonna smash this thing up anyway, gonna get a transfomer tablet thing soon. This thing has done its time
[01:01] <Seven_Six_Two> is alpha2 preferred over the daily build? I have a spare partition, so breakage isn't such a big deal.
[01:02] <jbicha> Seven_Six_Two: no, updating an alpha 2 install and running the daily build are basically the same thing
[01:03] <Seven_Six_Two> alright. thanks jbicha
[01:07] <dr_willis> the daily 'test of faith'  :)
[01:32] <Seven_Six_Two> it sure is downloading slowly...
[01:34] <Seven_Six_Two> 100MB in, and chromium reports "3 hours left". I wasn't planning on staying up that late...
[01:38] <Seven_Six_Two> I just noticed the torrent file. should have scrolled down, but transmission says that the torrent file is not authorized with the tracker. oops??
[01:39] <Seven_Six_Two> fyi, I chose http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-2/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[01:40] <rww> doesn't surprise me. Ubuntu's torrent tracker is... silly.
[01:40] <Seven_Six_Two> I'll try adding my list of trackers
[01:42] <Seven_Six_Two> nevermind. even with the error, it's going faster than direct download. it's all good.
[01:42] <rww> hurray for DHT, I guess
[01:53] <dr_willis> gotta run. byees
[03:59] <PythonPup> Howdy.  What is used in oneiric to replace gconf-editor?  I need to fix a couple of things and that is where I have adjusted them in the past.  Googling has not helped.  I know there is a gconf-editor to install, but it has nothing in it.
[04:02] <nit-wit> PythonPup, alt-f2
[04:02] <nit-wit> type in gconf-editor
[04:03] <rww> PythonPup: GNOME 3 doesn't use gconf, hence gconf-editor being empty. What "couple of things" are you looking to change?
[04:03] <PythonPup> That is no different from running it at a terminal prompt.  It still has no keys to edit.
[04:05] <PythonPup> The first one is  apps/nautilus/preferences.  I change it to always show location entry.
[04:06] <PythonPup> Next, I go to apps/metacity/genneral/button_layout    And, then, I go to apps/update-notifier/auto_launch.
[04:07] <PythonPup> So, maybe I should be ggogling for gnome3 and gconf-editor, instead of oneiric and gconf-editor.
[04:21] <PythonPup> rww, do you know where to fix those things in Oneiric?
[04:22] <rww> PythonPup: I'd imagine dconf, but Google isn't turning up anything and I don't have GNOME 3 handy.
[04:25] <PythonPup> I did not see anything useful in dconf.  I did try that.  I'll keep looking.  I just installed and I need to apply updates anyway.  I sure am glad the fix from Natty for global menues seems to work in Oneiric.  Unity seems improved, but I just started with Oneiric.
[05:37] <PythonPup> Is there a way to fix Firefox so it does not start up maximized?  I never want it that way.
[08:04] <frenkel> what am I doing wrong when uploading to a ppa and launchpad sends me emails with "Could not find person or team named ''"
[08:05] <bazhang> frenkel, perhaps try #launchpad ?
[08:05] <frenkel> good idea, thanks
[08:37] <antihero> Argh, whenever I login, I get a "gnome-session" process that just sits there eating 99% CPU
[08:37] <bazhang> antihero, what version of ubuntu
[08:38] <antihero> oneiric
[08:39] <bazhang> antihero, then please keep your questions here, and not in #ubuntu
[08:39] <antihero> Aye, posted wrong channel by accident.
[08:39] <antihero> I also having issue in that linux-image won't upgrade
[08:40] <bazhang> upgrade to what? what's the error?
[08:40] <antihero> dpkg: error processing linux-image-3.0.0-7-generic (--configure):
[08:41] <antihero> subprocess installed post-installed post blah blah exit status 2
[08:43] <antihero> I'll try installing the package directly
[08:43] <antihero> hmm
[08:43] <antihero> "Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.0.0-7-geneirc.postinst line 101
[08:43] <antihero> 0
[08:49] <antihero> hmm, seems to be in postinst.d in nvidia-common
[09:01] <antihero> Okay, kernel installed, now I'm sitting at tty5 looking at HTOP as gdm logs me in
[09:01] <antihero> and wondering why there's a gnome-session process just sitting there at 100% CPU
[10:04] <gil> Hi all - I was wondering if anyone has any insight to some lightdm issues I am experiencing - when the lightdm login box comes up, I click my username and it automatically tries to load a session without prompting me for a password - then I just get a blank screen with no session loaded.... is this a known bug?
[10:56] <SSetoo> hi
[10:56] <SSetoo> unity 2d without compiz right ß
[11:49] <antihero> how would I go about disabling the "out of battery" icon on my desktop?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:24] <belu> hello, is it easy to get on an oneiric amd fusion system with hardware acceleration?
[14:09] <DASSADD> hello
[14:09] <DASSADD> i have got a question
[14:09] <yofel> !ask
[14:19] <Guest19965> hi
[14:19] <Guest19965> i have a problem with xubuntu
[14:20] <Guest19965> i juste start using it
[14:20] <Pici> Guest19965: On 11.10 ?
[14:20] <Guest19965> 10.04
[14:20] <Guest19965> and i have not a real graphical interface
[14:20] <Guest19965> just a black screen and a grey bar
[14:21] <Guest19965> at the botom
[14:21] <Pici> Guest19965: This channel is for 11.10 support only, #xubuntu would be more appropriate for your question.
[14:21] <Guest19965> i have installed xfce
[14:21] <Guest19965> they just forard me here
[14:22] <yofel> what did you tell them before that?
[14:22] <Pici> 10:17:00 <TheSheep> Guest19965: ah, so this is a testing image for the next version of xubuntu?
[14:23] <Pici> 10:17:14 <?Guest19965> yes
 Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
 Guest19965: please go to that channel, ther are people who can help you with testing in there
[14:23] <Pici> Because you told them that you were testing the next version of Ubuntu.
[14:24] <Guest19965> no
[14:24] <yofel> Guest19965: 10.04 is not the next testing version, that's 11.10
[14:24] <yofel> Guest19965: you said yes to TheSheep's question
[14:24] <Pici> Guest19965: You might not have intended that, but as an outsider looking at the conversation, thats what I would infer.
[14:24] <Pici> Guest19965: anyway, they're the best people to answer your question anyway. :)
[14:24]  * yofel agress with Pici
[14:25] <charlie-tca> Guest19965: please do come back over to #xubuntu.
[14:25] <Guest19965> dose not matter....
[14:25] <Guest19965> ok
[14:25] <Guest19965> thanks
[14:25] <Guest19965> ++
[14:25] <DASSADD> hello
[14:25] <DASSADD> i have got a question
[14:27] <coz_> DASSADD,  cool... what is it ?
[14:31] <DASSADD> well is ubuntu 11.10 usuable for productive use
[14:31] <jml> hello
[14:31] <jml> I just upgraded to oneiric, and I'm getting a kernel panic on boot
[14:32] <rww> DASSADD: no
[14:32] <DASSADD> i mean not productive
[14:32] <DASSADD> but usuable
[14:32] <jml> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[14:32] <DASSADD> it is not bad if sometimes it did not work quite right
[14:32] <DASSADD> because it is private pc
[14:33] <rww> DASSADD: It's an alpha version of Ubuntu with alpha-level stability. If you're asking these questions, you care about stability at all, and thus should not be using it.
[14:33] <jml> Pid: 1, comm: swapper Not tainted 3.0.0-7-generic #8-Ubuntu
[14:33] <DASSADD> well i have got not a problem if it is not so stable
[14:33] <yofel> jml: there should be some error above that usually
[14:33] <DASSADD> but i do not want to reinstall per day because it did not work anymore
[14:33] <DASSADD> anymore
[14:34] <jml> DASSADD: "Starting up ..."
[14:34] <jml> DASSADD: that's it
[14:34] <jml> sorry
[14:34] <jml> yofel: ^^
[14:34] <DASSADD> what ?
[14:35] <jml> DASSADD: my bad. please disregard.
[14:35] <DASSADD> ok
[14:35] <yofel> ... no idea, edit the kernel settings in grub and remove "quiet splash" from the kernel command line
[14:35] <yofel> maybe that'll print more
[14:36] <jml> yofel: how do I interrupt the boot process in order to do that?
[14:37] <yofel> holding shift before grub usually comes up should give you the boot selection
[14:39] <jml> yofel: no joy.
[14:39] <yofel> hm, holding left shift pressed at boot is usually the way to get grub up. Try holding it while you're still at the bios screen
[14:42] <jml> yofel: 0210: Stuck Key 2A
[14:43] <yofel> :(
[14:43] <jml> I guess I can try to recover from an external CD drive + natty CD.
[14:46] <DASSADD> i have got a question
[14:52] <ikonia> best to ask it then DASSADD
[14:55] <DASSADD> i already asked it 10 times
[14:56] <DASSADD> is ubuntu 11.10 usuable ß
[14:56] <DASSADD> or is it to buggy ß
[14:56] <jml> DASSADD: many people use it.
[14:56] <jml> DASSADD: it's a subjective question
[14:56] <DASSADD> ok
[14:56] <ior3k> DASSADD: yes, based on my experience
[14:56] <DASSADD> should i download daily or alpha
[14:56] <DASSADD> hehe
[14:56] <jml> OK, I've booted via CD and have the hard drive mounted
[14:56] <DASSADD> alpha
[14:56] <DASSADD> hehe
[14:57] <yofel> daily would be a good mearsure whether it works or not
[14:57] <jml> is there something I can do to debug?
[14:57] <yofel> expect it to not work at all (although I'm fine)
[14:58] <DASSADD> what
[14:58] <DASSADD> daily or not
[14:58] <DASSADD> do not understand your answer
[14:59] <ior3k> DASSADD: install the alpha, then if you feel courageous do an aptitude dist-upgrade
[14:59] <ior3k> if not, stay on the alpha until the next alpha is out
[15:00] <DASSADD> okay
[15:00] <yofel> jml: chroot to the system, edit /etc/default/grub, comment the HIDDEN lines out, remove quiet splash, save, run update-grub and restart
[15:00] <DASSADD> and what is if ubuntu 11.10 is out
[15:01] <DASSADD> can i get it via upgrade or have i to reinstall
[15:01] <yofel> no need to reinstall
[15:01] <DASSADD> ok
[15:01] <DASSADD> yofel: do you use ubuntu 11.10 too
[15:01] <yofel> I'm on kubuntu 11.10
[15:01] <yofel> well, oneiric
[15:02] <DASSADD> ok
[15:02] <jml> yofel: thanks.
[15:02] <DASSADD> i have a problem with unity, it works good but the workspaces i do not like
[15:02] <DASSADD> e
[15:03] <DASSADD> can you solve it
[15:03] <DASSADD> or have i to change to kde
[15:04] <yofel> feel free to try KDE, I only tried unity a few times so no idea about your issue
[15:04] <yofel> someone else might have an idea if you stick around
[15:04] <DASSADD> yofel why did you change from unity to kde
[15:04] <DASSADD> do not you like unity
[15:05] <jml> *sigh* 32 bit boot cd, 64 bit install
[15:05] <yofel> I'm on KDE since karmic. As for unity I neither like nor hate it, but it's not that much better than KDE to make me switch
[15:05] <DASSADD> ok
[15:05] <DASSADD> and what do you like on kde what gnome not having
[15:07] <yofel> more config options :P - but generally the workspace just fits me better, I do prefer unity over gnome2 and gnome-shell to be honest
[15:08] <DASSADD> so you like:
[15:08] <DASSADD> 1. gnome 3, 2. unity, 3. gnome 2
[15:08] <yofel> nope, 1) KDE > 2) unity > 3) gnome2 > 4) gnome3
[15:08] <DASSADD> ok
[15:09] <yofel> actually place XFCE between gnome2 and 3
[15:10] <yofel> bbl
[15:50] <jml> ... and after disabling the hidden grub menu and the quiet splash options, it works.
[15:50] <jml> hmm.
[15:51] <jml> I bet it was some other change.
[15:51] <Pici> Curious.
[15:51] <jml> when I ran update-grub I was asked to merge in some other changes...
[15:52] <jml> easy enough to remove my debug-related changes & try again.
[17:36] <dupondje> Somebody with azerty keyboard around ?
[17:37] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:37] <Ian_Corne> what do you need?
[17:37] <dupondje> Is shift-lock also not giving numbers ?
[17:38] <dupondje> but &É"' etc ?
[17:38] <Ian_Corne> under linux, it never does by default
[17:38] <Ian_Corne> and it's caps lock,not shift lock
[17:38] <dupondje> keyboard tells me Shift lock :D
[17:38] <dsathe> in oneric why is the top window bar messed up under gnome shell ?
[17:39] <dsathe> any fix ?
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> well it acts like caps lock dupondje
[17:39] <dupondje> Ian_Corne: But I changed it to 'Caps Lock werkt als Shift met blokkering'
[17:39] <dupondje> but still same issue
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> ah
[17:39] <Ian_Corne> leme try
[17:40] <Ian_Corne> try
[17:40] <Ian_Corne> caps lock toggles shift
[17:40] <Ian_Corne> so all keys are affected
[17:41] <dupondje> But if you set 'Caps lock to be a Locking Shift'
[17:41] <Ian_Corne> don't have a dutch ubuntu tho
[17:41] <dupondje> with caps-locks enabled it should give 123 etc no ?
[17:42] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:42] <Ian_Corne> it does for me
[17:42] <Ian_Corne> it's the sixth option
[17:42] <dupondje> Yep
[17:43] <dupondje> but doesn't work here
[17:53] <dupondje> Ian_Corne: No other ideas ?
[18:06] <Ian_Corne> nope
[18:39] <jamesbond2> Hi, There is service loop after install the last services
[18:39] <jamesbond2> Hi, There is service loop after install the last packages
[18:45] <TheBuntu> im in 11.04 trying to go to the latest release of 11.10 sudo do-release-upgrade –d is saying No new release found
[18:48] <cjohnston> Can anyone help me with setting up my wireless? I have a b43 card, I've tried whats on the b43 troubleshooting page to no avail. I currently have no internet access on the computer.. This is the output from /var/log/jockey.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/652600/
[18:55] <BluesKaj> !bcm | cjohnston
[19:01] <cjohnston> anyone able to provide me with more assistance than just a link? I have already been through the b43 docs, so I'm not sure what they are wanting to point me at with that generic page
[19:25] <TheBuntu> trying to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 and geting...Could not calculate the upgrade An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade: The package 'update-manager-kde' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist
[19:26] <genii-around> TheBuntu: You can remove it, do the upgrade, then reinstall it... that's what I did.
[19:27] <TheBuntu> genii-around: it wont let me do the upgrade
[19:28] <genii-around> TheBuntu: Yes, I understood your problem. If you manually remove the package called update-manager-kde  and then do the 11.04 to 11.10 upgrade, you can re-add update-managedr-kde again after it completes.
[19:28] <TheBuntu> ok
[19:36] <TheBuntu> genii-around: thanks that worked
[19:36] <genii-around> TheBuntu: You're welcome
[19:37] <TheBuntu> now that its downloading 11.10.... im done hiting buttons for awhile right
[19:37] <genii-around> TheBuntu: The upgrade will take a while
[19:40] <TheBuntu> genii-around: thats one of the things i like about arch linux and chakra.... pacman installs faster...... but im geting tired of loosing my sound..... never have that issie with ubuntu
[19:41] <diverse_izzue> hi all. i have oneiric not booting since just now. no error message, it just stops in the boot process. the last message on screen is that timidity was started OK. anyone else?
[19:46] <TheBuntu> diverse_izzue: i'll know in about 5 min win my upgrade done
[19:46] <diverse_izzue> TheBuntu, keep me updated!
[19:48] <TheBuntu> ok
[19:57] <TheBuntu> y
[19:58] <TheBuntu> wrong  screen
[20:12] <TheBuntu> y
[21:31] <h00k> And the alt-tab dealio made it's debut on omgubuntu
[21:53] <jakemp> My desktops keep shifting around.
[21:53] <coz_> jakemp,  shifting as in video issue or viewports?
[21:54] <jakemp> when I switch virtual desktops
[21:54] <jakemp> or workspaces, rather
[21:58] <coz_> jakemp,  are you using a keybinding for this in compiz..or edge binding?
[21:58] <jakemp> key binding, ctrl alt arrow key
[22:49] <h00k> new update broke lightdm for me
[22:49] <h00k> beware.
[22:50] <h00k> bug 816695
[22:50] <h00k> and maybe bug 816646, apparently
[22:50] <h00k> my bug may be a duplicate of that
[22:51] <h00k> I'm trying to figure out what else would be useful to attach to that bug
[22:52] <h00k> I have it broken here, some text-based browser, not sure if it's elinks or what
[22:52] <h00k> but I can add attachments
[22:56] <trism> h00k: the logs in /var/log/lightdm would probably be useful
[22:56] <h00k> trism: I grabbed /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log. It's on my duplicate, do I need to reupload to original?
[22:58] <trism> h00k: probably not, I see a issue anyway, lightdm renamed some of the example greeters in 0.9, make sure you have the gtk greeter installed, they are only recommends so it may have missed it
[22:58] <h00k> trism: which would those be?
[22:59] <trism> h00k: I can't check the package name at the moment since I'm not in oneiric, it will be lightdm-gtk-greeter or something
[22:59] <micahg> a new upload ubuntu3 of lightdm was done ~20 minutes ago, that should fix the issues
[22:59] <h00k> oh, there we go.
[22:59] <h00k> I am manually installing lightdm-gtk-greeter
[23:00] <micahg> basically, the new greeter needs to be installed and that didn't work on the first 2 uploads
[23:00] <h00k> That was it, yes.
[23:01] <h00k> micahg: thanks, updated a comment on the bug as well.
[23:05] <h00k> also, turns out it was w3m
[23:11] <alex_mayorga> so do I fetch more updates before shutting down or rebooting?


[01:46] <Cason> Good evening! Can someone please help fix this problem: Blank Screen Does Not Turn Off Display Backlight on Ubuntu 22.04.1?


[03:24] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:30] <ducasse> good morning
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ-
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ- would bug #1906112 be better filed against linux instead of rtl, or rather both?
[12:38] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: rtl8812au-dkms
[12:39] <jeremy31> I bet it hasn't been patched for 5.8 kernels
[12:40] <TJ-> Ubuntu QA is really going downhill - when the archive ships 39 -dkms packages those should all be tested against each kernel release
[12:41] <jeremy31> rtl8812au has dkms broken for quite a while
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> but the kernel should load the driver right?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> so isnt it better for the kernel devs to debug when linux is picked?
[12:42] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: the driver loaded and puked
[12:48] <jeremy31> changelog shows 5,8 patches added in July
[13:29] <jeremy31> almost identical report 1872961
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: thats what i anted to know, if its not better to take linux package into the bug, adds more logs & info
[16:23] <JanC> they probably build-test it, but without all the hardware it supports it's hard to test the actual driver...
[16:39] <xMeia> hello, how do I get my windows in taskbar to open to the right of my icons instead of pushing them further to the right on the taskbar
[16:56] <Maik> xMeia: support is in #ubuntu


[10:06] <tsenko> bonjour
[10:06] <tsenko> WHO'S BEING MEAN TO MY JUBO
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> !ot | tsenko


[10:48] <arthur-> hi
[15:38] <arthur-> doko: is -9 ok for the gdc lzma compression level?
[15:38] <doko> arthur-: I didn't set the level explicitely
[15:42] <arthur-> doko: ok