[00:03] <nacc> pilatus421: it's a disconnect between apache and php
[00:03] <nacc> pilatus421: iirc, it's `a2enmod php7`
[00:03] <nacc> pilatus421: for the explanation, LP: #1621463
[00:04] <zzero1_> I have a mini ubuntu cd with the latest lts and it hangs on the nic-firmware download part in the installation x86
[00:04] <Bashing-om> !info php7.0 xenial
[00:04] <nacc> pilatus421: i'd need to see more output (possibly from /var/log/dpkg.log) to konw why dpkg didn't like you reinstalling it
[00:05] <pilatus421> nacc hold on ill get that log file
[00:05] <nacc> pilatus421: thanks
[00:05] <zzero1_> nacc how can I do that ?
[00:05] <nacc> zzero1_: do what?
[00:06] <pilatus421> 2017-05-01 21:01:02 startup packages configure 2017-05-01 21:01:18 startup archives unpack 2017-05-01 21:01:20 install linux-image-4.4.0-77-generic:amd64 <none> 4.4.0-77.98 2017-05-01 21:01:20 status half-installed linux-image-4.4.0-77-generic:amd64 4.4.0-77.98 2017-05-01 21:01:25 status unpacked li
[00:06] <zzero1_> upload the log
[00:06] <nacc> pilatus421: use a pastebin please
[00:06] <pilatus421> sorry forgot
[00:06] <zzero1_> its a text install
[00:06] <nacc> zzero1_: i didn't direct my request to yhou
[00:06] <zzero1_> sorry
[00:06] <zzero1_> :tired:
[00:07] <pilatus421> https://pastebin.com/c5fLvCVc
[00:07] <nacc> pilatus421: hrm, php is not mentioned there
[00:08] <nacc> pilatus421: might be at the bottom of the file
[00:08] <nacc> pilatus421: rather than the top (based upon the timestamps)
[00:08] <pilatus421> trying to figure out how to copy all text in nano
[00:08] <nacc> !pastebinit | pilatus421
[00:08] <nacc> pilatus421: it's probably a huge file at this point
[00:09] <nacc> pilatus421: so rather than the whole thing do something like `tail -n 100 /var/log/dpk.log | pastebinit`
[00:10] <pilatus421> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24539802/
[00:11] <nacc> pilatus421: can you run `sudo apt install libapache2-mod-php7.0` and pastebin the output
[00:11] <nacc> pilatus421: note, also, it's preferred to use the metapackages (libapache2-mod-php in this case)
[00:12] <nacc> pilatus421: that way when you upgrade to 18.04 you'll automatically migrate to 7.1/7.2 (whatever we end up at)
[00:12] <nacc> pilatus421: otherwise, you can end up with unsupported packages
[00:13] <pilatus421> so you want me to run sudo apt install libapache2-mod-php
[00:13] <nacc> pilatus421: yeah, that's what i'd do, but you can also do php7.0 in this case, since that's what you've been doing :)
[00:13] <nacc> pilatus421: you'll just want the metapackages installed for your own sanity
[00:14] <pilatus421> how do you pastebinit the results?
[00:14] <pilatus421> now to this pastebinit never used it
[00:14] <pilatus421> *new
[00:16] <hfp> Hi, my network is very buggy on 16.10: I have to switch it off and on a few times when waking up from sleep before it is actually connected. Is there a file I can delete to reset my network settings? I also have two icons in the taskbar when connected to WiFi: https://i.imgur.com/wqFYd3c.png
[00:16] <hfp> I am using a ThinkPad X230 if that makes any difference
[00:16] <joachin> why don't you try to install the latest 17.04?
[00:17] <pilatus421> nacc:  https://pastebin.com/Tq1pyHzv
[00:17] <hfp> I tried and it was too buggy: the windows were half transparent, the network didn't work well
[00:17] <hfp> joachin: ^
[00:17] <joachin> did you install the update?
[00:18] <hfp> I tried the update, then I wiped and installed from scratch; restoring my deja-vu backup from 16.10.
[00:18] <hfp> So I rolled back to 16.10
[00:18] <joachin> did you try "sudo apt autoremove" ?
[00:18] <hfp> 16.10 didn't use to have those network problems either btw
[00:19] <hfp> Yes I did autoremove, it's only older kernels
[00:19] <nacc> pilatus421: and with 7.0 (sorry, just trying to figure out what exactly is going on). Tbh, your simplest fix might be to `sudo apt purge libapache2-mod-php7.0 libapache2-mod-php` and then `sudo apt install` them again. That will remove the config, so don't do that if you wnat to keep it
[00:20] <pilatus421> nacc:  dont care for the config. I will run the commands and I will let you know.
[00:20] <joachin> ^
[00:23] <pilatus421> nacc:  holy shit :   `a2enmod php7.0`   Considering conflict php5 for php7.0: Module php7.0 already enabled
[00:23] <pilatus421> nacc:  how we are getting somewhere
[00:24] <nacc> pilatus421: are you using ondrej's ppa?
[00:24] <pilatus421> nacc:  no idea... how do you check ppa in CLI again?
[00:24] <selsper_> hi i think i installed kde plasma, i did a restart
[00:25] <selsper_> and i am not sure how to switch desktop
[00:26] <joachin> on above setting of the lightdm you can swith to kde
[00:26] <nacc> pilatus421: `apt policy libapache2-mod-php7.0` ?
[00:26] <joachin> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Lightdm-screenshot.jpg/1200px-Lightdm-screenshot.jpg
[00:26] <selsper_> ty
[00:27] <joachin> the right configuration of user you can select kde or unity
[00:27] <selsper_> i wonder
[00:27] <selsper_> maybe i didnt install it correctly
[00:27] <pilatus421> nacc:  https://pastebin.com/3eVWHHr7
[00:27] <joachin> how do you installed kde?
[00:27] <nacc> pilatus421: ok, you're not
[00:28] <nacc> pilatus421: just checking, the php5 thing worried me, as there's no php5 in 16.04+
[00:28] <nacc> pilatus421: but that might be something else
[00:28] <pilatus421> nacc:  PHP is now working
[00:28] <nacc> pilatus421: cool
[00:28] <pilatus421> nacc:  do you have any idea what the hell went wrong?
[00:29] <joachin> nice
[00:29] <nacc> pilatus421: no, unfortunately i don't ... it's possible that the reinstall path doesn't work (although i've tested it in the past)
[00:31] <pilatus421> nacc:  you know anything about ruTorrent?  still getting a JS error..,   I thought it might have had something to do with PHP not working.
[00:32] <nacc> pilatus421: nope, i don't
[00:32] <nacc> pilatus421: i just happen to be a php person for ubuntu :)
[00:33] <selsper_> trying to install kde using a guide, on the last step I got this error message
[00:33] <selsper_> https://pastebin.com/p7awBNCC
[00:34] <Druid-> I'm wondering if anybody can tell what's wrong?
[00:35] <Druid-> this is the command i put in terminal to get this
[00:35] <Druid-> sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[00:35] <pilatus421> nacc:  well nacc thanks a ton for all of your help.  Glad you were on to help :-)  Sucks when I am the only person that even knows what linux is, can't call a friend for help.
[00:38] <nacc> pilatus421: np, glad to help
[00:38] <pilatus421> nacc:  have a good night!
[00:39] <nacc> pilatus421: you as well
[00:42] <Druid-> What command to I need to put into terminal to install a package, for example: libappstream4 (>= 0.10.2)
[00:43] <nacc> Druid-: sudo apt install libappstream4
[00:43] <Druid-> ty
[00:43] <SilentGnome> sudo apt install libappstream4
[00:43] <nacc> Druid-: but it would appear that's a dependency line from `apt show`, so why are you installing it manually?
[00:44] <SilentGnome> ^
[00:44] <Bashing-om> !info libappstream4 xenial | Druid-
[00:44] <Druid-> I don't know
[00:44] <Bashing-om> !info libappstream4 xenial-backports | Druid-
[00:44] <Druid-> What's a more effiecent way to do things?
[00:45] <nacc> Druid-: install the thing needing the dependency
[00:45] <nacc> Druid-: what are you trying to install?
[00:45] <SilentGnome> what he said^
[00:45] <Druid-> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/12/install-kde-plasma-5-8-lts-ubuntu
[00:46] <Druid-> I followed the guide, step by step
[00:47] <SilentGnome> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[00:47] <Druid-> ive already done that
[00:47] <SilentGnome> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:48] <SilentGnome> and last but not least
[00:48] <SilentGnome> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:48] <Druid-> lmao, r u just copying the guide to me? -.^
[00:48] <Qiangong2> I updated to 17.04 today from 16.04 and now my WiFi is not working. I use a rtl8192cu chip in my netis wf2123 usb wireless adapter to connect to the internet. WiFi worked out of the box in 16.04, but not in 17.04. lsmod shows the device. Any Help?
[00:49] <SilentGnome> what errors do you get when you do it that way?
[00:49] <Druid-> https://pastebin.com/p7awBNCC
[00:49] <Qiangong2> no errors, it just will not connect to any wireless network. It detects them though
[00:49] <nacc> Druid-: that's the output from ppa-purge
[00:50] <nacc> Druid-: not from installing kubuntu-desktop
[00:50] <Druid-> owk, so
[00:50] <Druid-> am i retarded?
[00:50] <Druid-> im not getting something here
[00:51] <compdoc> cant you just install libappstream4 ?
[00:52] <Druid-> ffs
[00:52] <SilentGnome> Druid- are you using Ubuntu 16.04?
[00:53] <SilentGnome> sorry, I missed that part from the earlier convo
[00:53] <nacc> Druid-: you need a ppa to install that version of kde
[00:53] <nacc> Druid-: so i'm not sure why you purged the ppa
[00:54] <nacc> Druid-: or do you mean you installed the newer kde and now you want to go back?
[00:54] <SilentGnome> nacc: posted the command to add the ppa earlier, he said he's done it already
[00:54] <nacc> SilentGnome: ack, i think we need a better idea of what Druid- is actually trying to do
[00:54] <nacc> Druid-: and note, saying "i'm following that guide" is insufficient
[00:54] <nacc> Druid-: because that guide has *two* parts
[00:55] <SilentGnome> Druid-: which version of Ubuntu are you using? I'm about to test to see if I get the same errors
[00:57] <Kyoku> anyone know why I would be forced to logout of desktop after enabling ufw?
[00:57] <Druid-> SilentGnome: 16.04
[00:58] <SilentGnome> alright, it'll take me a little while but I'll post what I get
[00:58] <Druid-> ty
[00:58] <Druid-> im jst making a coffee, brb
[00:58] <nacc> Druid-: which part of the guide are you trying to follow?
[00:58] <Druid-> umm let me see
[00:59] <Druid-> lmfao
[00:59] <Druid-> i cant believe I didn't see that earlier
[00:59] <nacc> Druid-: right ... so basically, it seems like, you installed a ppa and then immediately tried to purge it
[01:00] <Druid-> yeah
[01:00] <Druid-> I am still a noob, it would seem
[01:00] <SilentGnome> everyone is
[01:00] <Druid-> learning by doing, I guess
[01:01] <RawR1337> Hey, I haven't even installed Ubuntu yet. Can't get more nooby than that.
[01:01] <SilentGnome> lol
[01:01] <RawR1337> Just gonna chill in the channel and soak up some information for a bit.
[01:01] <ceramic_mug> just got the gnome flavor of 17.04
[01:01] <ceramic_mug> very nice
[01:02] <Druid-> i think I'm gnna stick to figurin out ubuntu 16.04 for the time being
[01:03] <SilentGnome> to each his own
[01:04] <Druid-> going to reboot
[01:05] <FGOS> Hi, I am trying to figure out why my minecraft sound isn't working. I am running 1.11.2 vanilla on ubuntu 14.04. I have tried restarting my computer. All of my drivers are up to date. Volume is turned up in both minecraft and the computer
[01:05] <FGOS> I went to #minecrafthelp originally, but they told me about here since they mainly do PC minecraft support
[01:06] <Qiangong2> SilentGnome: any ideas about why the wifi isn't working?
[01:07] <thgilfodrol> FGOS: make sure the game's client log doesn't indicate any audio errors, esp. at startup
[01:10] <SilentGnome> what was the wireless chipset again?
[01:11] <Qiangong2> rtl8192cu
[01:11] <selsper> lmfao
[01:11] <Druid-> Ohh it works now
[01:12] <Druid-> Switched to kde, and it wasn't loading
[01:12] <Druid-> but it loaded now
[01:12] <Druid-> ;p
[01:13] <Qiangong2> Could it have been broken in the code change?
[01:13] <Druid-> nope
[01:15] <FGOS> thgilfodrol I got the error message SoundSystem did not load after 30 seconds
[01:15] <SilentGnome> Qiangong2: have you tried this guide yet? https://adamscheller.com/systems-administration/rtl8192cu-fix-wifi/
[01:16] <Qiangong2> yes, it says there is a conflicting driver installed, even after the blacklisting
[01:17] <FGOS> thgilforol then switching to no sound -> silent mode
[01:24] <SilentGnome> Qiangong2: still here?
[01:24] <SilentGnome> was doing some research, sorry about that
[01:25] <Druid-> i got it working btw
[01:25] <Druid-> :)
[01:26] <SilentGnome> good to hear. getting things working is one of the most satisfying parts of using Linux to me
[01:26] <Druid-> same
[01:26] <Druid-> looking forward to getting runescape working, 3-4 weeks later I am still un-sure how to proceed :P
[01:27] <SilentGnome> haven't tried it yet. I'll take a look
[01:28] <Druid-> mmmm
[01:33] <SilentGnome> Druid-: just need the runescape client?
[01:33] <Jaebum> hey idk if anyone has any experiance with steam on 17.04 i get a bad interjer error when i run steam
[01:33] <Druid-> Yeah
[01:33] <Jaebum> this is just my first launch
[01:33] <Druid-> thing is, when I boot the client it's just a black screen
[01:33] <Druid-> i figured driver issues
[01:33] <Druid-> but idk
[01:33] <SilentGnome> which one are you using?
[01:34] <Druid-> drivers?
[01:34] <SilentGnome> client
[01:34] <Druid-> umm
[01:34] <Druid-> idk how to define that, but; the one from the runescape homepage
[01:36] <erro_r73> hello
[01:36] <SilentGnome> https://launchpad.net/~hikariknight/+archive/ubuntu/unix-runescape-client try this one instead, seems to have good reviews and more stable than the rest. at least from what I've seen
[01:37] <Druid-> ty couldnt find it
[01:37] <Jaebum> any news on whether ubuntu gnome users can transition smoothly when it becomes the main de
[01:37] <SilentGnome> yw, hopefully that'll solve the issue
[01:38] <bazhang> Jaebum, is this regarding unity
[01:38] <bazhang> Jaebum, thats not for at least a year from now
[01:38] <Druid-> shall check it out, ty
[01:40] <Jaebum> bazhang: yeah i know im just transition away from windows to ubuntu gnome i was just hoping once i get everything setup that i can keep upto date without losing things
[01:40] <bazhang> Jaebum, try asking again in around ten months
[01:40] <Druid-> doesnt even open D:
[01:40] <Jaebum> okay
[01:40] <Jaebum> sounds good
[01:40] <bazhang> Jaebum, 18.04  <---
[01:43] <SilentGnome> off to bed everyone. here's hoping all your troubles are fun
[01:43] <Druid-> gn
[01:43] <nacc> Jaebum: if you use ubuntu gnome, i expect you won't notice any difference at all
[01:49] <plaguenet> jello
[01:49] <compdoc> we dont allow food references in here :/
[01:49] <plaguenet> i heard linux mint tea is good
[01:50] <plaguenet> lol puns
[01:51] <bazhang> plaguenet, take the chatter elsewhere please
[01:51] <plaguenet> bazhang: understood wont happen again
[02:18] <jeffreylevesque> does installing openssl install libssl-dev?
[02:19] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: no
[02:19] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: easily verifiable with either -s to apt or apt show openssl, though
[02:19] <nacc> jeffreylevesque: libssl-dev is for when you need to build someting locally that needs to link against libssl
[02:20] <jeffreylevesque> i'm using pip scrypt, and if i remember correctly, it needed libssl-dev
[02:20] <jeffreylevesque> but, now i'm adding openssl
[02:20] <jeffreylevesque> so, i was wondering if i could get rid of libssl-dev
[02:37] <jiangzc_> exit
[02:38] <jiangzc_> quit
[02:59] <herpderphurr> Hello. I'm trying to create a container with lxc-create, and I notice that it has an option (-f) to pass in a config file. I passed in a config file where a user and group ID mapping is set, but the mapping lines are commented out in the resulting container's config file. Did I misunderstand how to use -f?
[03:05] <Guest55533> hola gente buenas noches. Consulta, acabo de comprar un ax370 gaming 5 con un ryzen 1700 eh intentado instalar los kernel 4.10 y nada solo fallos o pantalla en negro y volver a kernel original alguna idea?
[03:05] <juanonymous> question, how do i configure this one?
[03:05] <juanonymous> bind: Address already in use
[03:05] <juanonymous> channel_setup_fwd_listener_tcpip: cannot listen to port: 22
[03:05] <juanonymous> Could not request local forwarding.
[03:10] <herpderphurr> juanonymous: Are you doing SSH local port forwarding? I'm guessing you should use a different port for forwarding. The port you're using is probably being used by the ssh server on the machine you're connecting from.
[03:11] <juanonymous> but i can do that to  my previous ubuntu version
[03:11] <juanonymous> 14.04
[03:11] <juanonymous> sudo ssh -D 22 user@host
[03:11] <juanonymous> something like that
[03:16] <herpderphurr> I'm guessing you didn't have the ssh server installed before. You can check if it's installed by running `apt-cache policy openssh-server`
[03:22] <scorpion> Hello! Does any one who has experience with amd drivers in ubuntu have a second? I could use some help installing the proprietary drivers for an Radeon HD 7570
[03:23] <scorpion> I end up rebooting to a black screen every time and end up having to reinstall OS completely because I can't recover X
[03:23] <acer> did you try
[03:23] <acer> select to start from pci
[03:23] <acer> ?
[03:24] <scorpion> grub starts ubuntu
[03:24] <scorpion> and I end up at a black login screen
[03:24] <scorpion> from which I can login
[03:24] <acer> hum
[03:24] <scorpion> and execute terminal commands
[03:24] <scorpion> And I try to purge fglrx
[03:24] <scorpion> then reboot
[03:24] <scorpion> x still fails to start
[03:24] <acer> startx
[03:24] <scorpion> tried that
[03:25] <acer> hum...
[03:25] <scorpion> after all that I end up reinstalling OS from cd and repeating.
[03:25] <scorpion> And breaking X again
[03:25] <scorpion> rinse repeat fail.
[03:25] <acer> and this after install card drivers?
[03:25] <scorpion> yes
[03:25] <scorpion> installation completes nicely
[03:25] <scorpion> no errors
[03:26] <acer> try see on card forum
[03:26] <scorpion> run aticonfig --initial
[03:26] <acer> some issue like
[03:26] <scorpion> after installing drivers
[03:26] <scorpion> then sudo reboot
[03:26] <scorpion> to a black screen
[03:27] <acer> dmesg lspci or stuff like?
[03:27] <nacc> scorpion: what version of ubuntu?
[03:27] <scorpion> makes me feel like an idiot, one reason I don't like linux is what works for one person fucks up another persons computer
[03:27] <nacc> !ohmy | scorpion
[03:27] <nacc> !nomodeset | scorpion
[03:27] <scorpion> lspci returns relevant card information
[03:27] <scorpion> no errors
[03:27] <scorpion> Radeon HD 7570
[03:27] <scorpion> Turk
[03:28] <nacc> scorpion: what version of ubuntu?
[03:28] <scorpion> its a 1 gig ddr5 version of the card
[03:28] <scorpion> 14.04
[03:28] <Bashing-om> scorpion: What release ? As AMD has changed the support structure 16.04+ .
[03:28] <scorpion> thats the most current version I can run fglrx on? right?
[03:28] <scorpion> hmm. One moment. I check
[03:29] <scorpion> 14.04.5
[03:29] <Bashing-om> scorpion: Most current FGLRX is 14.04.1 ... the .1 is relevant !
[03:29] <scorpion> so i need a different os then lol
[03:30] <scorpion> can you point me in the direction of the release I should be using?
[03:31] <Bashing-om> scorpion: No, a different OS ( linux) will make no difference . ya want the release with the supported kernel .
[03:31] <scorpion> oops sorry I meant kernel
[03:33] <Bashing-om> scorpion: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/trusty/ . Ya want the 14.04.1 release .
[03:33] <scorpion> ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:33] <scorpion> will that do ?
[03:34] <scorpion> I have the iso downloading now, It will be done in 3 minutes, I'll burn and install and try again.
[03:34] <Bashing-om> scorpion: Yeah .. lessen ya on a Mac or other than AMD Intel .
[03:35] <scorpion> Core 2 Quad q9450
[03:35] <scorpion> Radon HD 7570 1 gig DDR5
[03:35] <scorpion> msi motherboard
[03:36] <YankDownUnder> Mac bashing? Whoa...whoa...(scribbles notes)... :)
[03:36] <Bashing-om> scorpion: You should be in good shape to install . but why FGLRX as radeon works well with that card .
[03:38] <scorpion> Well my main aim is to test out steam and some older windows games through wine, and when I looked up the card on the AMD website it said the best driver fglrx
[03:38] <scorpion> Though this particular card only has 1 driver PERIOD that works with it, because it is am OEM card
[03:38] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: Is it not 16.04 that also supports Mac with the standard desktop install ? Like No Mac experience here !
[03:38] <scorpion> On Windows that is*
[03:39] <scorpion> Dell partnered with Radeon to make this card and on windows the only driver that works 100 percent is one released by dell
[03:39] <YankDownUnder> Bashing-om, :) All is good...16.04(plus) appears to be fine and dandy on what I've experienced...that being said, if someone doesn't really know what they're doing, well...nuff said... :)
[03:39] <scorpion> I was assuming i would get the highest 3d performance with fglrx
[03:40] <Bashing-om> scorpion: yeah, gamming ya should be the better with the proprietary driver ( FGLRX ) .
[03:40] <scorpion> and since this card is not the fastest to begin with
[03:41] <scorpion> It would seem that my best chance to get some playable framerates would be with fglrx but its been a nightmare so fare, hopefully just due to my ignorance about the kernel version
[03:41] <scorpion> iso is burning as we speak
[03:42] <scorpion> is there a benchmark that shows how my card performs with different drivers like fglrx or the radeon driver?
[03:43] <scorpion> I've googled my butt off and the internet is sparse in general on information about the ddr5 version of HD 7570
[03:44] <scorpion> DISC is done burning, installing 14.04.1 now
[03:45] <scorpion> i have another question if any one has a moment
[03:46] <scorpion> which distro or kernel version should I be using to get the best support for Ryzen?
[03:47] <scorpion> I have a 1700x cpu and asrock fatality motherboard that I'm trying to select a distro for
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> scorpion: first try to update your system to latest
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> scorpion: if your installing 14.04 update to .5
[03:48] <scorpion> for the ryzen system release version doesn't matter as much, I just would want something that would let the hardware work to its full potential
[03:48] <scorpion> and is stable
[03:49] <Bashing-om> scorpion: For the Ryzen I would be trying 17.10 ( daily image ). Ya want the latest you can get your hands on ,
[03:49] <scorpion> I also have an rx 480 to pair with the 1700x
[03:49] <scorpion> and I have NO clue about current state of drivers for that
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> !amd | scorpion
[03:51] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: As with all pretty new hardware, you want the latest kernel. For example, before 4.10, Linux didn't support hyperthreading in Ryzen (http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/linux/kernel-410-gives-linux-support-for-zen-multithreading.html). There's almost surely work left to be done, so later kernels are better.
[03:51] <Bashing-om> scorpion: Pairing driver support in AMD from what I am aware of is skimpy at best .
[03:54] <scorpion> I am trying to use the ryzen machine for content creation with kdenlive and IOMMU pci passthrough to windows for gaming and screencapping
[03:55] <scorpion> i was hoping to passthrough the rx 480 to windows
[03:55] <scorpion> on a VM
[03:56] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Sounds like a nice setup if you can get it working.
[03:57] <scorpion> i am completing the installation of ubuntu on the Core 2 Quad HD 7570 machine... I will try to run the fglrx install as soon as I reach the desktop
[03:57] <scorpion> Yes it would be, unfortunately nothing is ever that easy with linux lol
[03:58] <gonegoagae> can someone help me with tru fax?
[03:58] <gonegoagae> tru fax
[04:00] <scorpion> You would think that this old core 2 quad hardware drivers would just be built into the latest version of ubuntu and you'd be good to go
[04:02] <xjoni> hi
[04:03] <xjoni> i want create a usb booteable with linux from linux
[04:03] <plaguenet> hello
[04:04] <scorpion> xjoni Yes, it would seem like a simple thing, right? lol
[04:04] <plaguenet> xjoni: do you have a linux os in mind?
[04:04] <scorpion> something like the terminal command dd maybe helpful to you
[04:04] <scorpion> to write an iso image to USB
[04:05] <xxxx> ask!:: hi, how can i configure my magic keyboard from mac to ubuntu??
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> !usb | xjoni
[04:06] <xjoni> is the same for other distros? i want install other distro
[04:07] <scorpion> xjoni, if you are using ubuntu already, you can use the Ubuntu startup disk creator
[04:08] <scorpion> it is the simplest way to accomplish what you want to do if you already have ubuntu installed
[04:08] <xjoni> these http://imgur.com/a/rwLaR
[04:08] <xjoni> ?
[04:09] <blackangelpr> xjoni, yes that but i did not have luck either one day trying opensuse XD
[04:10] <xjoni> hehe, i want make booteable manjaro deepin
[04:11] <blackangelpr> xjoni, there is a spanish language channel #Ubuntu-es  got it
[04:11] <xjoni> ty
[04:11] <blackangelpr> xjoni, no problem
[04:15] <davidomanfredo> 06:10 davidomanfredo: Anyone here familiar with connecting iPhone mobile device to Linux? Rather via 'native' Linux or vm or wine???
[04:18] <blackangelpr> davidomanfredo,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/812006/how-can-i-mount-my-iphone-6s-on-ubuntu-16-04 good luck :)0
[04:24] <john28> :)
[04:31] <scorpion> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Trusty_Installation_Guide
[04:31] <scorpion> This is the exact steps im following to install fglrx
[04:31] <scorpion> so if it fails again, you guys already know what process im following
[04:31] <Ben64> scorpion: which part
[04:32] <scorpion> i started at the section that says Before you start
[04:32] <Ben64> well theres a bunch of different methods on that page
[04:32] <Ben64> and with a quick glance, none of them look supported here
[04:32] <scorpion> sudo apt-get install cdbs dh-make dkms execstack dh-modaliases linux-headers-generic libqtgui4 xserver-xorg-dev-lts-trusty
[04:32] <scorpion> started with that command
[04:33] <scorpion> then
[04:33] <scorpion> sudo apt-get install lib32gcc1
[04:33] <scorpion> then
[04:33] <scorpion> mkdir catalyst15.12 && cd catalyst15.12
[04:33] <scorpion> wget --referer='http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop?os=Linux+x86' http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/radeon-crimson-15.12-15.302-151217a-297685e.zip
[04:33] <scorpion> unzip radeon-crimson-15.12-15.302-151217a-297685e.zip
[04:33] <scorpion> cd fglrx-15.302/
[04:33] <Ben64> yep, not supported
[04:33] <scorpion> chmod a+x amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run
[04:33] <scorpion> sudo ./amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/trusty
[04:33] <scorpion> sudo dpkg -i fglrx*.deb
[04:33] <Ben64> stop spamming
[04:33] <scorpion> sorry.
[04:34] <scorpion> Was just trying to show you the process I was following
[04:34] <Ben64> good luck with that, but you won't get help with that method here
[04:34] <scorpion> I don't need good luck I'd like help lol
[04:34] <Ben64> then install fglrx from the ubuntu repositories
[04:35] <scorpion> using this method I have no issue getting the driver to make and install
[04:36] <scorpion> I was apparently installing onto the wrong kernel though so it wouldn't work
[04:36] <scorpion> i was trying this method to install onto 16.04 which was my error
[04:51] <scorpion> what is the command to see what driver my graphics card is using? I do believe I have finally achieved success
[04:52] <scorpion> lscpi just lists the card
[04:52] <scorpion> is there some flag I can attach to see the driver?
[04:52] <_t3th3r> lshw -c video
[04:52] <_t3th3r> Try that
[04:56] <_t3th3r> https://askubuntu.com/questions/23238/how-can-i-find-what-video-driver-is-in-use-on-my-system
[04:57] <_t3th3r> scorpion: https://askubuntu.com/questions/23238/how-can-i-find-what-video-driver-is-in-use-on-my-system
[04:59] <s0lar1s> Hi, I'm having a DNS issue on Ubuntu and was wondering if anyone could help me. Intermittently, when I go to certain websites it gives me a "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN" error. I've already tried adding Google public DNS servers to the connection and flushing the DNS cache. I'm not seeing any suggested fixes other than those two things. Any ideas?
[05:04] <scorpion> I succeeded in installing the fglrx driver on 14.04.1   Thanks for your help :]
[06:22] <chientran> someone using plank in ubuntu gnome 17.04?
[06:23] <kavitha> hi
[06:23] <kavitha> if any process is killed who is responsible to restart in linux os
[06:24] <selckin> its parent
[06:28] <kavitha> i am working in the openstack... i am killing one process, name is l3-agent..
[06:28] <kavitha> it is not having child processes.. it's parent is systemd
[06:29] <kavitha> then system d has to restart the process right?
[06:34] <ducasse> kavitha: if systemd has been told to restart it when it exits, then yes. depends on the service.
[06:35] <kavitha> how one can check systemd has been told to restart or not?
[06:36] <ducasse> kavitha: examine the unit file
[06:36] <kavitha> ok..thank you..
[06:36] <ducasse> kavitha: see the systemd.service man page, and look for the file <servicename>.service
[06:37] <ducasse> !systemd | kavitha alse see this
[06:42] <kavitha> @ducasse inside systemd so many files are there.. what file i have to check exactly?
[06:43] <sobersabre> hi. I have terminal fonts rendering problem.
[06:43] <ducasse> kavitha: i just told you, look for <servicename>.service
[06:43] <ducasse> sobersabre: which terminal?
[06:44] <kavitha> yeah i saw that restart on failure is there..
[06:47] <sobersabre> ducasse: all of them. this is XFCE terminal http://imgur.com/a/SiW4q
[06:47] <sobersabre> the same happens in tilix, gnome-terminal, and basically others.
[06:48] <sobersabre> I am using bash-it prompt decorations, at some point after migrating to 16.10 all this went astray.
[06:48] <sobersabre> It's not a killer, but it is a visual annoyance.
[06:48] <sobersabre> ducasse: I tried multiple fonts.
[06:48] <sobersabre> it's not font specific and not terminal emulator specific.
[06:49] <kavitha> @ducasse i have one more doubt...
[06:49] <ducasse> sobersabre: all of those terminals are vte based, though
[06:50] <kavitha> if any service is having child process, if i kill the any child of that service... that child is not coming up..what is the reason..
[06:50] <sobersabre> ducasse: I know, so any remediations exist?
[06:51] <ducasse> kavitha: entirely depends on the parent process in question
[06:51] <kavitha> i did not get what exactly you are saying..
[06:52] <ducasse> sobersabre: iirc, i read about a 'fix' for certain fonts with vte-based terms, a short script snippet you should source in /etc/profile.d...
[06:53] <ducasse> kavitha: it depends on the service - it does whatever it is set up to do
[06:54] <kavitha> ducasse: where they set this up...
[06:54] <sobersabre> ducasse: thanks, I'll specifically google for vte bug. thanks!
[06:55] <ducasse> sobersabre: give me a sec, i think i have that snippet somewhere (i'm a packrat)
[06:55] <kavitha> ducasse: consider the example of mysqld... could you pls explain?
[06:58] <ducasse> kavitha: i'm not certain i can be much more specific. say you have service 'foo', and 'foo' has the child process 'bar'. if 'bar' dies, it is up to 'foo' to handle that.
[06:59] <ducasse> sobersabre: i've saved no note with this, but try http://paste.ubuntu.com/24541421/
[06:59] <ducasse> sobersabre: i _think_ that's it
[07:00] <kavitha> ducasse: if that bar is not coming up means what?
[07:00] <kavitha> ducasse: foo has not been told to rastart?
[07:01] <CoderEurope> So canonical is changing to an IPO - if you wana talk about it - I suggest #ubuntu-offtopic (NickServ reg'd users) 🖕🏽😂 #SFW
[07:01] <jewels> Hi there. I am having some troubles while with my NVIDIA GPU 920M. This is the report that I got when I execute the command suggested in the graphics section in the Ubuntu wiki: https://bpaste.net/show/0cee1f5d5cea
[07:01] <ducasse> kavitha: it means either foo is doing something wrong, or it was never setup to restart bar.
[07:02] <kavitha> ducasse: ok ducasse.. thank you so much..
[07:02] <jewels> In NVIDIA Settings my two monitors are not recognized at all. I have an external monitor and the laptop monitor. I see the screen but I am not able to go from one screen to the other with my mouse.
[07:03] <ducasse> CoderEurope: or #ubuntu-discuss :)
[07:08] <Ajay_> Hi All
[07:09] <Ajay_> i am having prolem with my app running on ubuntu
[07:09] <Ajay_> its not responding to connection request
[07:09] <Ajay_> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/43848947/apache-application-running-on-ubuntu-not-responding-connection-requests
[07:09] <Ajay_> above is stack overflow link for same issue with detail
[07:09] <Ajay_> can anyone please help me to resolve/debug the problem i am facing
[07:11] <Ben64> Ajay_: try it from another computer
[07:11] <oerheks> Ajay_, 10.223.186.x and 10.223.197.x is unusual
[07:13] <ivan> either you have a firewall on your ubuntu blocking 80 or your windows doesn't know how to route packets to your ubuntu machine
[07:13] <ducasse> am i misreading that netstat output or is it only listening on ipv6?
[07:13] <Ben64> ducasse: it can show that and be listening on both
[07:13] <ivan> oh heh very good catch
[07:14] <ivan> interesting
[07:14] <Ajay_> @Ben6 @oerheks...i tried from another system as well but facing same issue
[07:14] <ducasse> Ben64: interesting.
[07:14] <Ben64> for example, on my system it shows only ipv6
[07:14] <Ben64> but definitely listening on ipv4 as well
[07:21] <Ajay_> @Ben64...yes its listening on ipv4 as well but its not responding for connection
[07:21] <Ben64> but if it is from ubuntu then it is
[07:35] <merge> hoi
[07:50] <pushpak> I am not able to read/write data to a partition i have created .I can't copy and paste data from Home to that partition
[07:51] <roobi> pushpak, did you create the partition with sudo?
[07:51] <roobi> pushpak, just poking to see if its a permissions issue
[07:51] <pushpak> i created partition with gparted
[07:51] <pushpak> using live cd
[07:52] <pushpak> yes its a permission issue
[07:52] <pushpak> plz provide commands to change permissions
[07:52] <roobi> chown it
[07:52] <pushpak> plz provide commands to change permissions...i am new to linux sir
[07:53] <roobi> $ chown root /path/to/your/partition -R
[07:53] <ducasse> pushpak: where is it mounted?
[07:53] <roobi> $ chown user:group /path/to/your/partition -R
[07:53] <pushpak> how to find the path?
[07:54] <obert> play with permissions is evil
[07:54] <pushpak> Sir, i have formatted the disk and now the permissions have automatically changed to "me"
[07:54] <roobi> pushpak, place the output of your $ sudo /etc/fstab
[07:55] <pushpak> output is:command not found
[07:55] <roobi> run just $ fstab
[07:55] <roobi> tak eout the $ sign
[07:55] <roobi> just type: sudo fstab
[07:56] <pushpak> Owner:me  group:pushpak other:none    are the permissions correct?
[07:56] <pushpak> roobi: command not found
[07:56] <pushpak> Owner:me  group:pushpak other:none    are the permissions correct?
[07:56] <roobi> pushpak, what version of ubuntu?
[07:56] <pushpak> 16.04
[07:57] <pushpak> roobi: Owner:me  group:pushpak other:none    are the permissions correct?
[07:57] <roobi> no
[07:57] <roobi> owner should be root
[07:57] <roobi> open up gparted
[07:57] <roobi> did you create an ext volume or ntfs?
[07:58] <pushpak> roobi: if the owner is root i wont be able to copy and paste data!!
[07:58] <pushpak> roobi: ext4
[07:58] <roobi> what is the directory path of your partition?
[07:58] <ducasse> pushpak: type 'df | pastebinit' and give us the url
[07:58] <roobi> aka where is it mounted?
[07:58] <pushpak> wait
[07:59] <roobi> ducasse, man I forgot about that sexiness
[07:59] <pushpak> mounted at /mnt/sda4
[07:59] <pushpak> mounted at /mnt/sda4
[07:59] <roobi> assuming you are logged in under user pushpack
[07:59] <pushpak> yes
[07:59] <roobi> chown pushpack /mnt/sda4 -R
[08:00] <pushpak> chown pushpack /mnt/sda4 -R what will it do sir?
[08:00] <ducasse> roobi: if you do not know what you are doing, please do not give confusing advice
[08:00] <roobi> it will "change owner" to "pushpack" of File Descriptor /mnt/sda4 "recursively"
[08:01] <roobi> ducasse, theres a million ways to view a file system
[08:01] <roobi> ducasse, if you dont know that... then relax with your propriety
[08:01] <roobi> pushpak, sudo chown pushpack /mnt/sda4 -R
[08:01] <ducasse> pushpak: please don't listen to him, he has no idea what he's doing.
[08:01] <CoderEurope> crumbs
[08:02] <ducasse> roobi: none of your commands so far make any sense
[08:02] <pushpak> roobi: The new permissions are as folloes-->Owner:me  group:pushpak other:none
[08:03] <roobi> ducasse, what are you talking about. if its a permissions issue... he needs to assign the UID of his user to the partition. Which is currently set to the UID of the user of the live cd
[08:03] <roobi> ducasse, please refer to https://askubuntu.com/questions/43570/change-owner-of-internal-hard-drive-partition-from-root-to-user
[08:03] <pushpak> roobi: The new permissions are as folloes-->Owner:me  group:pushpak other:none
[08:04] <roobi> ducasse, also refer to https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205721
[08:04] <roobi> pushpak, https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2205721
[08:05] <ducasse> roobi: i know how chown works. what does 'sudo fstab' do, exactly?
[08:05]  * ducasse walks away
[08:05] <roobi> fstab is a configuration file that contains information of all the partitions and storage devices in your computer. The file is located under /etc, so the full path to this file is /etc/fstab. /etc/fstab contains information of where your partitions and storage devices should be mounted and how.
[08:05] <roobi> ducasse, learn linux please
[08:05] <roobi> Stands for "File System Table"
[08:06]  * roobi drops mic
[08:06] <roobi> but newer versions with LVM using gparted like 16.04 doesn't come with fstab installed
[08:06] <roobi> fstab and df are extremely similar
[08:06] <ducasse> 'sudo fstab' attempts to run it, which isn't likely to do much.
[08:06] <roobi> so you suggested a similar way to view the file system table
[08:07] <MustaKrakish> df -h
[08:07] <pushpak> i am not able to understand i want to send some screenshots how can i send sir?
[08:07] <ducasse> !paste | pushpak
[08:07] <MustaKrakish> fstab is used to store information about partitions and where they are mounted on boot
[08:08] <roobi> ducasse, I guess you can cat it. phew... man you were so more right than I.
[08:08] <roobi> ducasse, ill bow down to your grandness now
[08:08] <MustaKrakish> less /etc/fstab
[08:08] <roobi> why vi it and write strange characters
[08:09] <pushpak> http://imgur.com/a/2puiN
[08:09] <pushpak> plz see
[08:09] <pushpak> http://imgur.com/a/2puiN
[08:09] <MustaKrakish> pushpak, http://paste.ubuntu.com
[08:10] <pushpak> link---> http://imgur.com/a/2puiN
[08:10] <ducasse> pushpak: change group access to create and delete
[08:10] <roobi> pushpak, open terminal
[08:10] <k_sze[work]> Can I use apport to debug my own programs?
[08:10] <pushpak> ok sir opened
[08:11] <k_sze[work]> I mean using apport to record and view core dumps.
[08:11] <pushpak> roobi: what after
[08:11] <roobi> and type: sudo chown -R pushpack:pushpack /mnt/sda4
[08:12] <roobi> then type: ls -al /mnt
[08:12] <roobi> and paste that output to http://paste.ubuntu.com and share the link
[08:12] <ducasse> 'pushpak:pushpak'
[08:13] <roobi> and type: sudo chown -R pushpak:pushpak /mnt/sda4
[08:13] <pushpak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24541711/
[08:13] <pushpak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24541711/
[08:14] <roobi> try copy and pasting
[08:14] <roobi> or moving a file to it now
[08:14] <roobi> or in terminal: mkdir /mnt/sda4/testdirectory
[08:14] <roobi> if it succeeds then you are good
[08:15] <pushpak> yaa its working but i all i wanted to say was is the permission owner:me group:me Others:None Correct??
[08:15] <pushpak> *group:pushpak
[08:16] <roobi> Yes.
[08:17] <pushpak> but ducasse was saying that owner should be root!
[08:17] <ducasse> no, i wasn't. and that took 25 minutes.
[08:18] <pushpak> so are the permission correct na
[08:18] <roobi> Yes.
[08:18] <pushpak> are you sure it wont cause me any security issue?
[08:19] <roobi> You'll be fine.
[08:19] <pushpak> Thank Bro :>
[08:20] <pushpak> also hexchat in synaptic manager is of 800Kb while in Software centre it is of 69Mb why?
[08:21] <pushpak> roobi:why hexchat in synaptic manager is of 800Kb while in Software centre it is of 69Mb why?
[08:21] <roobi> pushpak, i suggest installing the one in synaptic. ver 2.12.4-2
[08:21] <roobi> pushpak, one includes all of its dependencies
[08:22] <pushpak> whats the issue with the ubuntu software one?
[08:22] <roobi> pushpak, which should already be loaded onto your ubuntu install
[08:22] <pushpak> roobi:which distro do you use?
[08:23] <roobi> i just moved to 17.04
[08:23] <pushpak> ohh
[08:23] <pushpak> roobi:which version of wine should i install?
[08:23] <pushpak> also give me the commands to install it
[08:24] <ksk> Hey. I am trying LXD and would like to know why everything in an CT image is owned by uid 100000 - could you guide me to anything about that maybe? thanks!
[08:24] <roobi> pushpak, : sudo apt-get update
[08:25] <roobi> pushpak, : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wine/wine-builds
[08:25] <roobi> pushpak, : sudo apt-get update
[08:26] <roobi> pushpak, sudo apt install wine-stable
[08:26] <ducasse> !ppa | pushpak
[08:27] <pushpak> sudo apt install wine-stable  is it with the other commands you have stated or a separate one?
[08:28] <roobi> this order: (1) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wine/wine-builds (2) sudo apt-get update (3) sudo apt install wine-stable
[08:28] <roobi> Thats if you want Wine2.0-stable
[08:29] <pushpak> will this install the latest version of wine or stable version of wine?
[08:29] <roobi> Otherwise sudo apt-get install wine1.6
[08:29] <pushpak> will this install the latest version of wine or stable version of wine?
[08:29] <roobi> Which is the stable version of wine recognized by synaptic/canonical
[08:30] <banjo> Hello, in 17.04 I have my ethernet nterface that just dies randomly. It's virtual box. How can I debug this? I'm having trouble googling this. It's currently stuck in the state where it can't communicate to anything local or wan.
[08:31] <roobi> banjo, whats the network type assigned to that interface from within VirtualBox Settings? (NAT, Network NAT, Bridged)?
[08:32] <banjo> roobi: bridged
[08:32] <banjo> Name is Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller, Adapter Type is Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop
[08:32] <ducasse> banjo: what's the host? anything in dmesg?
[08:33] <banjo> It dies randomly once or twice a week and gets stuck that way until I restart
 banjo: what's the host? anything in dmesg?
[08:34] <banjo> @ducasse yes
[08:35] <banjo> i'm trying to paste it somewhere one moment
[08:36] <banjo> roobi ducasse https://pastebin.com/raw/7wezVt93
[08:37] <latino31> im having issues with sound ubuntu 17.04
[08:38] <ducasse> banjo: and the host is?
[08:38] <banjo> ducasse: sorry what do you mean by host?
[08:38] <banjo> oh Windows
[08:38] <banjo> Windows 10
[08:39] <banjo> Windows 10 Host, Ubuntu 17.04 Guest
[08:39] <jluc> hello
[08:39] <jluc> sur chromium je vois plein de pub putassière sur un site sans pubs
[08:39] <jluc> s
[08:40] <jluc> et chromium a du mal à restaurer sa session authentifiée google
[08:41] <jluc> et certains trucs rament un peu au démarrage de l'ordi
[08:41] <ducasse> banjo: i'd really like to see more of dmesg from exactly when this occurs, if you have that. from this little snippet it _looks_ like a problem with the vbox drivers, but...
[08:41] <ducasse> !fr | jluc
[08:41] <jluc> ah zut oui j'avais pas fait gaffe
[08:41] <k_sze[work]> ffs
[08:41] <banjo> ducasse that's it :( the lines before that are setting up cifs
[08:41] <k_sze[work]> Sometimes I hate Ubuntu.
[08:41] <jluc> oups
[08:41] <banjo> I will post it
[08:41] <k_sze[work]> Especially apport
[08:42] <ducasse> banjo: you might want to try #vbox, they're probably better at debugging this
[08:43] <banjo> thanks ducasse I will bug them
[08:44] <banjo> here is the full one ducasse https://pastebin.com/raw/Yhg9yTzC
[08:44] <latino31> i think im missing a file with pulse audio...im getting this error http://anonypaste.com/da4919 and i have having sound issues..
[08:44] <latino31> but synaptic says some of the packages are installed
[08:44] <latino31> ubuntu 17.04
[08:47] <ducasse> banjo: there are a couple of regulars here who do know vbox well, but not right now. either try #vbox or try again later.
[08:48] <banjo> ducasse: I am, thanks for your help.
[08:48] <ducasse> banjo: np, good luck at least.
[08:51] <ducasse> latino31: does 'pgrep pulseaudio' return anything?
[08:56] <latino31> ducasse, 7506
[08:57] <latino31> ducasse, this error im getting seems to be a common errors others are getting from a google search
[08:58] <jushur> banjo: you have synfloding protection triggering. either turn it of. or fix the guest so it stops doing it.
[08:59] <banjo> jushur: wow thanks. I don't know what that is but seems like an easy way to figure it out
[09:01] <jushur> banjo: could be a bug in the vbox driver i guess.
[09:02] <banjo> jushur: I'll look into it but at least I have direction now. Maybe someone is synflooding me too... never know.
[09:02] <banjo> Thanks!
[09:02] <jushur> banjo: dont vbox have more then one net card driver? as in you can test with a different one.
[09:02] <banjo> jushur I can try that but it happens about once or twice a week
[09:02] <ducasse> latino31: try 'sudo apt install --reinstall pulseaudio' to make sure it is properly installed
[09:02] <banjo> so hard to test
[09:02] <ducasse> banjo: try searching the vbox bugtracker
[09:03] <latino31> thanks ducasse
[09:03] <negev> hi, what could cause high kswapd cpu usage without any swapspace being used?  vm.swappiness = 0
[09:04] <ducasse> latino31: after that finishes, log out and in again to see if there are any changes.
[09:05] <k_sze[work]> So I have disabled apport and set kernel.core_pattern=core, but I still don't get any core file generated.
[09:07] <ducasse> negev: vm.swappiness being 0 does not mean swap will never be used, does 'free -m' report any swap in use?
[09:07] <negev> ducasse: no, none used
[09:07] <bazhang> k_sze[work], where's the bug you have filed against apport
[09:08] <k_sze[work]> bazhang: I haven't filed any bug. From the looks of things, this should be a solved problem. Many people say they can get plain old core files by disabling apport and then setting kernel.core_pattern appropriately. I'm guessing something is step is still missing.
[09:09] <bazhang> k_sze[work], that sounds like you are on the right track
[09:09] <latino31> ducasse, i did that and im not getting sound..
[09:10] <k_sze[work]> So I'm just wondering if anybody has an idea of what I may have missed.
[09:10] <pushpak> ubuntu says system program problem detected....what to do....is it serious?
[09:11] <ducasse> latino31: ok. is the right device selected etc?
[09:11] <k_sze[work]> I disabled apport by renaming /etc/init/apport.conf to /etc/init/apport.conf.disabled, and I put a new kernel.core_pattern value in /etc/sysctl.conf.
[09:11] <pushpak> ubuntu says system program problem detected....what to do?
[09:11] <k_sze[work]> The directory where the core file is supposed to exists and is writable by me.
[09:12] <k_sze[work]> And I have already rebooted before trying to generate a core file.
[09:12] <jushur> pushpak: need details to be able to answer.
[09:12] <ducasse> pushpak: which ubuntu version is this?
[09:13] <k_sze[work]> My `ulimits -c` is also unlimited.
[09:14] <k_sze[work]> *ulimit
[09:14] <pushpak> my ubuntu version is 16.04.02
[09:21] <pushpak> ubuntu says system program problem detected....what to do?
[09:21] <pushpak> my ubuntu version is 16.04.02
[09:23] <latino31> ducasse, where is the device selection at again lol
[09:26] <ducasse> latino31: to get a better overview of your sound settings, install and run 'pavucontrol'
[09:28] <pc21> uep
[09:28] <pc21> com anam?
[09:28] <ducasse> !es | pc21
[09:29] <latino31> ducasse, something is wrong it wont connect to pulseaudo
[09:29] <pc21> how are you?
[09:29] <ducasse> latino31: exactly which ubuntu is this?
[09:29] <latino31> 17.04
[09:30] <pc21> you are silly
[09:30] <ducasse> pc21: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:31] <pc21> no, i'm only here to fuck you
[09:31] <pc21> mutherfucker
[09:32] <ducasse> oh, goodie. a kid who has gotten his hands on a computer.
[09:32] <pc21> yea
[09:32] <bazhang> lets get back to support please
[09:34] <ducasse> latino31: where do you get that message?
[09:36] <latino31> that erro message earlier ducasse was in syslog
[09:37] <latino31> and also i dont see any device in play sound through
[09:37] <latino31> ducasse, https://askubuntu.com/questions/910423/sound-broken-ubuntu-17-04,
[09:38] <latino31> i dont see a .pulse folder like they describe
[09:38] <latino31> in the home directory
[09:38] <ducasse> latino31: can you open pavucontrol, or does that give an error?
[09:39] <latino31> ducasse, it gives an error
[09:39] <ducasse> latino31: that says...?
[09:41] <ducasse> latino31: can you pastebin output of 'aplay -l'?
[09:41] <latino31> ducasse, connection to pulse audio failed
[09:41] <latino31> and that defualt message
[09:42] <latino31> ducasse, http://anonypaste.com/0ee812
[09:45] <latino31> ducasse, apparently this is some sort of bug https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/66gvsj/no_sound_after_upgrading_to_ubuntu_1704/
[09:46] <ducasse> latino31: does 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Right.wav' work?
[09:49] <latino31> ducasse, weird yes it does
[09:49] <latino31> but youtube does not
[09:49] <blip-> hi, installed xubuntu 16.04 recently on laptop.  Brightness control works, but occasionally (especially after going to standby and resuming), it doesn't anymore (not keyboard keys nor slider in software)
[09:49] <blip-> What are the things I can restart short of restarting the OS completely ?
[09:49] <ducasse> latino31: ok, so alsa works, but pulseaudio is having none of it...
[09:49] <blip-> (restarting xfce4-power-manager didn'\t help)
[09:50] <ducasse> blip-: try restarting x
[09:53] <ducasse> latino31: try 'start-pulseaudio-x11'
[09:55] <latino31> ducasse, connection refused
[09:56] <YankDownUnder> blip-, If you're using XFce4, then "lightdm" is the "login UI" - you can always put yourself at tty1 and restart lightdm - which will restart the desktop session - so it's not "restarting the system" per se...but close enough...
[09:57] <ducasse> latino31: ok. i suspect you have some dbus/pulseaudio interaction bug, but i don't know either of those well enough. you can try #pulseaudio
[09:57] <latino31> thanks
[10:01] <blip-> YankDownUnder, thanks, unfortunately not enough. I'll reboot and try to identify what exactly causes the issue
[10:13] <skratchez> hello
[10:15] <skratchez> i have a super newbie question if anyone's here, or maybe someone could recommend another channel for that
[10:15] <EriC^^> !ask | skratchez
[10:16] <pos> Anyone else find that Ext2Fsd isn't working on Windows 10? Any other suggestions on how to read from an ext4 part from Windows?
[10:17] <skratchez> sorry, are there any known issues that prevent a perfectly good usb bootloader from running on a windows machine or any troubleshooting guides
[10:18] <EriC^^> skratchez: the usb has a live iso? you've tested it on another machine?
[10:18] <YankDownUnder> "Legacy" boot options in BIOS...?
[10:18] <skratchez> errr, i can verify it from the ubuntu hash, and i'm using rufus to make it
[10:20] <EriC^^> skratchez: try a different usb port, check the bios for fastboot and disable it, if legacy then set it first in the boot order or try a run-time boot options menu and choose it, try disabling secureboot if uefi
[10:21] <skratchez> it's set first in boot order, and i've tried this with a smaller install with an arch cd. additionally this exact thumb drive will boot to windows recovery from this exact port (formatted and installed ubuntu on it now ofc)
[10:21] <latino31> ducasse, maybe this will help http://anonypaste.com/539d41
[10:23] <ducasse> latino31: i can't improve on that, find out what it is.
[10:23] <skratchez> tried the most conservative options on current rufus install (not a linux expert by far but on other machines i have no problem making a boot drive/disc and running from there)
[10:25] <EriC^^> skratchez: what happens when you choose to boot it from a run-time menu?
[10:28] <skratchez> how do you mean?
[10:29] <EriC^^> skratchez: like when you boot you can press f9 in hp laptops and get a boot options menu and choose exclusively what to boot
[10:29] <skratchez> yeah, it gets ignored, same with a disc
[10:29] <skratchez> no regard
[10:29] <EriC^^> what's it say?
[10:29] <EriC^^> errors etc?
[10:30] <skratchez> no, big windows logo in 1.nothing seconds
[10:30]  * YankDownUnder wonders if the /boot partition on the USB is actually set to boot
[10:31] <skratchez> well yeah, but i'm relying on the most current version of rufus with the most conservative options set to make this
[10:31] <skratchez> tried it a few different ways and no go
[10:31] <skratchez> if there's a better alternative to that for a bootloader, by all means
[10:31] <EriC^^> try linuxlive usb creator
[10:31] <skratchez> okay
[10:32] <skratchez> will do, thanks
[10:32] <SimonNL> skratchez: anything else attached usb beside the device you want to boot from ?
[10:32] <skratchez> my logitech mouse most of the time
[10:32] <skratchez> wireless dongle
[10:33] <EriC^^> skratchez: do try a different usb port as well, it might be working on and off or something
[10:33] <SimonNL> nah I meant an external HDD device or such
[10:33] <skratchez> no
[10:33] <swensson> Anyone know how to create a "open vpn" so other users can users (loaded from a DB or something) can use my vpn?
[10:33] <YankDownUnder> That'd not have much to do with "boot" ...I still think there might be something "overlooked" in the BIOS...I like to check twice/thrice or more...paranoia...
[10:33] <skratchez> yeah i'll pop it in another port next time just to see
[10:33] <SimonNL> skratchez: or a SD card.
[10:34] <skratchez> no, just a blank for a microSD adapter (sometimes) but again the windows fixer boots like a champ to give me repair options and c: prompt
[10:35] <skratchez> with or without the main drive in
[10:36] <skratchez> i've been asking advice all over for this pitiful series of unfortunate decisions but i'm going to try linuxlive now and get back to y'all if it's a go or no go
[10:41] <skratchez> really want to give props to whoever designed the UI on linux live
[10:41] <skratchez> the GTA font and alpha channel is a nice touch
[10:48] <skratchez> linuxlive can't even see the .iso wtf?
[10:49] <EriC^^> skratchez: you can't browse for it?
[10:49] <skratchez> it can't
[10:49] <EriC^^> it migt not recognize it as the release but it'll still write it
[10:49] <skratchez> it's looking for *.iso and seeing nothing
[10:50] <EriC^^> try pressing on "all types"
[10:50] <skratchez> and *.whatever a linux distro might be but nothing
[10:50] <skratchez> the dropmenu says ISO / IMG /ZIP (*.iso;*.img;*.zip...... and when i click it i get no more options than that
[10:51] <skratchez> maybe it needs to be run as admin, idk
[10:51] <EriC^^> are you sure it's there? can you see it in the filemanager?
[10:51] <skratchez> yeah
[10:52] <YankDownUnder> skratchez, Does it actually have the extension of ".ISO"? Just asking...
[10:52] <EriC^^> maybe it's case sensitive?
[10:52] <skratchez> that is actually a good question because it shows as a virtual clone drive file, but yeah also has a .iso extension
[10:53] <skratchez> and i have windows set to show extensions
[10:54] <YankDownUnder> Strange that...never experienced that bit before...UNLESS the .ISO is flagged as "system file/read only" - ya never know...
[10:55] <skratchez> yeah, i've had issues with windows permissions and this disk is definitely doing something spooky (can not reset windows, can not create a repair disk, can not create a system restore point... but will continue to run)
[10:57] <YankDownUnder> skratchez, Er...have you done a low level file system check on the Windows drive? (in a cmd prompt, do: chkdsk c: /f ==> when the system reboots, it will force a check on the integrity of the disk...)
[10:57] <skratchez> yeah that's one of the many things that fail on this thing
[10:58] <YankDownUnder> skratchez, Ooooo...not good...not good...is there a means by which to remove the drive and check it on another workstation - OR - do you have a WindowsPE boot - like a CD or a USB?
[10:58] <skratchez> memtest.exe, you name it, this beast has failed it but it's been running since the bush administration
[10:59] <skratchez> and i have replaced the memory :P
[10:59] <YankDownUnder> Bush had an administration? Wow...far out...musta flipped the channel and bypassed that one... ;)
[10:59] <skratchez> yeah i got this laptop and nothing for now, tomorrow is a new day though so
[11:00] <YankDownUnder> Yersh - tomorrow always brings fresh new insights
[11:01] <Sparrow__> Have you guys heard or used Hirens recovery disk
[11:01] <skratchez> it's a gateway nv59, special discount at wurst buy back in the day because they mislabeled early i5 processors as i3
[11:01] <bazhang> Sparrow__, not for ubuntu
[11:01] <skratchez> *ack*
[11:01] <Sparrow__> Handy to have in your toolbox
[11:01] <YankDownUnder> Hirens 9.9! Yay! The best of the best! Yay!
[11:01] <bazhang> skratchez, is linux live a windows tool for writing usb
[11:01] <oerheks> Sparrow__, yes, but Ultimate Boot cd is my favorite
[11:02] <Sparrow__> bazhang, Thought he had a windows box there
[11:02] <YankDownUnder> "GATEWAY COMPUTER THAT STILL RUNS?" OMG OMG OMG...
[11:02] <skratchez> yes
[11:02] <bazhang> skratchez, why ask about using a windows tool here
[11:02] <skratchez> i can almost make out cow spots on the the clicky parts
[11:03] <YankDownUnder> I used to have to service those monstrosities...egads...
[11:03] <skratchez> i'm not? i want a linux usb/disc to fix this thing
[11:03] <YankDownUnder> MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH...
[11:03] <bazhang> skratchez, you are asking about linux live or not
[11:03] <bazhang> YankDownUnder, stop the excessive chatter please
[11:04] <YankDownUnder> I just realised something, too, skratchez - you COULD get an "older version" of Ubuntu - like old...and burn that ISO and make a boot CD...
[11:04] <skratchez> i'm asking about using anything, i am not familiar with different boot options
[11:04] <skratchez> yeah, i have a bunch of blank cds, or i could go to the store tomorrow/today and get a rw dvd and just put a new windows .iso on
[11:05] <skratchez> there is just something so frustrating about this box
[11:05] <bazhang> skratchez, so this is completely about getting a windows iso to usb
[11:05] <skratchez> no
[11:06] <skratchez> i'm ready to bail on windows (at least temporarily just to use this as a web browser, plex server)
[11:06] <YankDownUnder> Getting a linux ISO to a USB (or CD/DVD) on a Gateway (shivers)
[11:06] <skratchez> that or throw it in nearest ravine
[11:06] <pushpak> wine icons are not appearing in the ubuntu dash
[11:06] <pushpak> wine icons are not appearing in the ubuntu dash
[11:06] <pushpak> help plx
[11:06] <Sparrow__> Ask in wine
[11:07] <pushpak> Sparrow: i ignored ur statement :)
[11:07] <skratchez> yeah i know, but jankies this thing might be haunted, i might need to chek with the groundskeeper
[11:08] <Sparrow__> For help with wine you need to ask in #wine if you like it or nt
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> skratchez, Rest yer brain, tomorrow new things will come. Be well. Night y'all.
[11:09] <skratchez> thank
[11:09] <EriC^^> skratchez: is it uefi or legacy?
[11:09] <Sparrow__> Try the earliest live ubuntu we made.. 606 maybe
[11:09] <pushpak> Sparrow: it is showing you have been kicked out of this channel W*F
[11:10] <mikhael_k33hl> I created a parition and encrypted it with Luks, can I install Ubuntu normally with it? Also my efi partition is on /dev/sdb, my ubuntu is on /dev/sda, will that be okay?
[11:10] <Sparrow__> Ive Op'd up and kicked myself before too.
[11:10] <funabashi> Hi guys, i have a slow machine does this output from top command looks bad ? https://pastebin.com/tFuNTg0R
[11:11] <Ben64> funabashi: no
[11:11] <pushpak> so what should i do now?
[11:11] <oerheks> 15 days up ... yes, no recent kernel update
[11:11] <ikevin> funabashi, your machin use swap
[11:12] <skratchez> legacy
[11:12] <funabashi> ikevin: should it use swap ?
[11:13] <ikevin> funabashi, you just have 1Gb of ram?
[11:14] <skratchez> so @EriC^^ what does legacy imply?
[11:15] <EriC^^> skratchez: it means it's not a secureboot issue or bad uefi implementation
[11:15] <EriC^^> so that's good
[11:16] <skratchez> ah
[11:16] <EriC^^> skratchez: for legacy to boot, all the bios needs is a valid partition table on the device, plus some bios want to see a boot flag on one of the partitions
[11:17] <skratchez> i had hoped rufus did this automagically
[11:17] <EriC^^> and it'll boot whatever is in the bootloader location in the mbr, whether grub or windows etc it wont mind
[11:17] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:19] <skratchez> eh, i'm gonna sleep on it with this pos all half disassembled
[11:19] <skratchez> thanks for the advice, ttyl
[11:20] <EriC^^> ok, np
[11:21] <mikhael_k33hl> I can't set the efi partition as the /boot/efi mount point
[11:21] <Sparrow__> skratchez, what part of the world are you in
[11:22] <skratchez> pacific northwest
[11:22] <Sparrow__> I am in calif, do you not have better hardware around
[11:22] <EriC^^> skratchez: my money's on usb port screwing up sometimes
[11:23] <EriC^^> it's happened with me as well, perfectly fine usb, sometimes it wouldn't boot ubuntu i'd use the usb port next to it and it'd boot, other times it would just work
[11:23] <skratchez> i might give that a chance inasec but that same port will load win recovery, and yeah i've read a bunch of stories where that happens like you said. worth a shot
[11:25] <EriC^^> it's very likely in this case, unless rufus is forgetting to put the boot flag or something
[11:27] <EriC^^> the bios can't tell what you're booting anyways, it's just going to run whatever is in that mbr, if grub isn't put there right you should at least have gotten some error
[11:37] <NoxOnly> HOla
[11:40] <NoxOnly> hola
[11:41] <slime-monster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MeYtNNqMcg
[11:41] <chientran> i recommend use ubuntu gnome 17.04 rather of 16.04 LTS
[11:42] <chientran> in ubuntu gnome 16.04, all of my extensions disappear when i boot into os
[11:42] <chientran> now this issue never exist in 17.04
[11:43] <mikhael_k33hl> Is it possible to point /boot/efi to the efi partition during gui installation?
[11:45] <hex`> r
[11:45] <maffh> I am trying to learn about processes in Ubuntu. When a process in the swap space, is it possible that the operating system run such a process? Or do you have to wait till there is enough space available on the ram?
[11:45] <Sparrow__> mikhael_k33hl, At the bottom of the partitioner you have boot selection installation?
[11:46] <mikhael_k33hl> Sparrow__: yeah I do
[11:46] <mikhael_k33hl> Sparrow__: It says here /dev/dm-0
[11:47] <maozhen> hello
[11:47] <Sparrow__> Im still waking up..  but that does not look right
[11:47] <maozhen> waking up
[11:47] <maozhen> up up up
[11:47] <maozhen> jack and jone go up up up the hill
[11:47] <maozhen> and big dog bill
[11:48] <maozhen> <--
[11:48] <maozhen> -->
[11:48] <maozhen> exit
[11:48] <maozhen> quit
[11:48] <mikhael_k33hl> Sparrow__: should I point it to the efi partition that windows created?
[11:50] <Sparrow__> I dont do efi any more so wait for a good answer..
[12:00] <skratchez> So I moved the thumb drive to a different port
[12:01] <skratchez> And pulled the offending disk as well, Ubuntu is propagating
[12:02] <Sparrow__> Yea
[12:03] <Sparrow__> !find gconftool
[12:03] <skratchez> Phone posting now as it reboots
[12:03] <skratchez> Woo
[12:20] <mati_> Hi , I want to install a driver for my cpu (intel skylake), and properity drivers for my nvidia grx960, but when I'm doin' it from addidtional driver my whole desktop stuck. I wrote this yesterday but I was not able to run system that time.
[12:21] <mati_> I've just  finish install  os right now
[12:21] <hateball> mati_: is this on... 17.04 or what?
[12:22] <mati_> hateball: 17.04
[12:22] <hateball> mati_: that uses... nvidia 375?
[12:23] <mati_> hateball: Yeap I tried to install this one.
[12:23] <hateball> mati_: did you install both intel microcode and nvidia binary at the same time?
[12:23] <Guest62881> hi
[12:23] <mati_> hateball:  No I didn't,  I always install intel as a first driver than nvidia(with reboot)
[12:24] <hateball> mati_: right, so intel worked fine then I take it
[12:26] <hateball> mati_: while not offical, you could try install 378 from the not-official-but-official-PPA
[12:26] <hateball> mati_: to do so, run this in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa && sudo apt update && sudo apt install nvidia-378
[12:26] <mati_> hateball:  Ok, I will try this.
[12:27] <hateball> mati_: there is also 381 which is beta driver
[12:27] <hateball> (I use that and it works fine for me)
[12:28] <mati_> hateball: I read that earlier. but is it normal that download speed is so low 20-100b/s?
[12:29] <mati_> hateball:  I will be in couple min, I need to reboot os
[12:31] <davidj> Alright, alright. I give in! My gtx 1080 now works with proprietary drivers, so I'm 100% ubuntu again. ;)
[12:31] <rud0lf> hooray \o/
[12:31] <rud0lf> long live ubuntu
[12:32] <mati_> davidj:   gz :D hateball: Again after install intel drivers, os stuck when write in terminal reboot
[12:32] <davidj> Sidenote: I swapped to gnome3 preemptively, it works relatively okay out of the box.
[12:32] <davidj> @mati_ yeah, I can't stomach latency.
[12:32] <davidj> "2fps desktop?! !@#$. Reverting to macos" :p
[12:32] <hateball> mati_: but you can power it off and it boots up properly again?
[12:33] <hateball> mati_: so it is just rebooting that fails?
[12:33] <davidj> @mati_ oh! It's a current issue? Hm. Can you get to a shell?
[12:34] <hateball> nouveau has plenty of quirks that could prevent a proper shutdown, which is why you'll want to get the nvidia blob asap
[12:34] <hateball> for 9xx series and up I should say. nouveau does work well for some cards
[12:35] <davidj> Nouveau is 'good enough' for me, and honestly even with the gtx 1080 was more than sufficient. There were some bugs on wayland, but otherwise all is well now. (Jumped to fedora temporarily when ubuntu was treating me like garbage)
[12:35] <mati__> hateball:  aha, I didn't know that, thx for this info
[12:36] <hateball> mati__: so, any luck getting 378 or 381 from ppa?
[12:37] <mati__> hateball:  not yet, I'm waiting to downlaod this driver from repo
[12:39] <mati_> hateball:  I hope it will be finally ok
[12:40] <multifractal> I have this 'displaylink' USB hub at work. It used to work fine with my setup, but since clean installing fresh 16.04, I haven't been able to get it working again. Instlled driver with .run file but when I connect it, the screen just goes black with a single line of text at the top about /dev/something and a long number...
[12:41] <multifractal> And becomes unresponsive, have to switch off with power button.
[12:43] <davidj> Doh.
[12:43] <mati_> hateball:  Ok, I've just intalled Nvidia-378 now there is any option to test it?
[12:43] <davidj> @mati_ "Let's do it live!"
[12:44] <davidj> @mati_ There might be a more sane way of doing it, but I've never found one.
[12:44] <hateball> mati_: test what?
[12:44] <deemo> what kind of scripts are files *.d ?
[12:44] <davidj> @mati_ Just remember the hotkeys for another shell when you reboot. ctrl-shift 1 iirc.
[12:44] <mati_> hateball:  test nvidia driver is it works?
[12:44] <jewels> Hi. I am trying to install the NVIDIA driver for my GeForce 920M. At the moment, when I am not able to use dual monitors because NVIDIA settings doesn't recognize them. Here there is the result of the command for graphics troubleshooting (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicsTroubleshootingProcedure): http://paste.ubuntu.com/24542672/
[12:44] <hateball> mati_: if you have a GUI session then it appears it works :p
[12:44] <jewels> Someone can help me please?
[12:45] <jewels> What's wrong with my configuration?
[12:45] <mati_> hateball: aaa, ok :D
[12:45] <hateball> mati_: well you can run "lspci -k" and look at the VGA section, see that it lists nvidia as the used module
[12:45] <jewels> I have installed the driver using the GUI.
[12:45] <mati_> hateball:  thanks a llot
[12:45] <hateball> mati_: and i suppose you can just try a reboot and see if it still hangs
[12:45] <deemo> hmm hotkeys for different run levels? I am trying to exit into a lower run level from Linux Windows.
[12:47] <deemo> basically I want exit linux windows into run level 1. Is there an easy way to do this?
[12:47] <mati_> hateball:  yay, it's works :D
[12:47] <davidj> @mati_ wooo! :)
[12:47] <hateball> mati_: :)
[12:47] <davidj> @deemo Do you mean windows 'wsl', or ubuntu as a virtual machine?
[12:47] <hateball> deemo: init 1 ?
[12:48] <davidj> @mati_ The hotkeys to get to a shell are ctrl-alt-f1 (through f6). ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to your main one. (just for reference)
[12:48] <davidj> Might be preaching to the choir though, given you solved your graphics issue so easily :p
[12:48] <deemo> I mean to window manager which is run at level 5, or perhaps level 3.
[12:49] <deemo> I am not using Linux Live
[12:49] <mati_> davidj: thanks :) I know it but on novea dirvers I can not run terminal with this hotkeys ..  hateball: thanks for help :)
[12:49] <deemo> wsl is a what acronym?
[12:49] <davidj> @deemo You might want to try the hotkeys I just mentioned
[12:49] <jewels> Any ideas? Nobody can help me?
[12:49] <davidj> @deemo That is, ctrl-alt-f1 (through f6). f7 to get back to your wm.
[12:49] <davidj> @deemo https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83336/relationship-among-runlevels-and-virtual-terminals-tty is a good read on the topic.
[12:50] <deemo> interesting
[12:51] <davidj> @deemo I should note, not an expert on the topic.
[12:52] <davidj> Guess you could just swap out of your wm (ctrl-alt-f1) and then type in init 3. :p
[12:58] <davidj> @deemo re: wsl — 'windows subsystem for linux'. Basically, ubuntu shell on windows 10. Rather nice with few caveats.
[12:59] <mati_> hey guys, did u have a dleyna-renderer-service error?
[12:59] <davidj> @mati_ I've never seen it, pastebin?
[12:59] <thinkt4n_> can anyone tell me why the canonical xenial community aws ami launches with /var/lib/dpkg locked?
[13:00] <mati_> davidj: I don't know where I can find a this error info
[13:02] <s7rawman_> hey all. I've got myself throughly confused. I've got a Ubuntu server running, 16.04.2 LTS. On this server I have 4 hdd, two I know to be mounted to be sure, but a third should be mounted, but doesn't should up as mounted when I run lsblk. If a drive isn't mounted shouldn't I be unable to read the data off it. Here's the pastebin from the lsblk -o NAME, FSTYPE, SIZE, MOUNTPOINT, LABEL
[13:03] <mati_> davidj: https://pastebin.com/uBiY5PM3
[13:03] <davidj> @thinkt4nk Sounds like apt-get is already running, perhaps?
[13:03] <s7rawman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24542745/
[13:03] <thinkt4nk> ps doesn't list it
[13:03] <davidj> @thinkt4nk (No idea re: solution besides killing off the process that's already using it)
[13:03] <davidj> Interesting.
[13:04] <thinkt4nk> yeah
[13:04] <thinkt4nk> I wonder if unattended upgrades runs on boot and errors and orphans the lock?
[13:04] <davidj> @thinkt4nk Computers. Anything could happen. Anything under lsof for /var/lib/dpkg ?
[13:05] <davidj> lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg //not assuming you haven't tried, just confirming
[13:05] <thinkt4nk> I actually hadn't but I just did and nothing
[13:05] <thinkt4nk> was a good idea though
[13:05] <davidj> Welp! I'm all out of ideas. :p
[13:06] <davidj> I'd reboot it, personally.
[13:06] <thinkt4nk> davidj thanks man
[13:06] <thinkt4nk> If I don't delete the lock it'll be there on reboot
[13:09] <mikeymop> I was playing a movie on my laptop through a C-HDMI dongle yesterdya
[13:09] <mikeymop> and I noticed if I unplug the dongle without switching my audio back to the speakers I will lose sound
[13:09] <mikeymop> Its still outputting, but it gets stuck on a source that isn't available. Can anyone recommend how I can diagnose this so I can make a bugreport?
[13:10] <davidj> @mikeymop Wondering if it's a feature! :)
[13:11] <davidj> wb @thinkt4nk
[13:11] <davidj> Any luck?
[13:12]  * mikeymop pouts in corner at davidj
[13:12] <thinkt4nk> not yet. I'm hoping that I can reproduce after clearing lock and rebooting a couple of times, so that I can try disabling unattended-upgrades and confirm that it doesn't produce the same behavior
[13:12] <thinkt4nk> my only hope right now
[13:13] <MustaKrakish> is Obi Wan
[13:13] <thinkt4nk> we use saltstack to manage this infrastructure so I can't have random instances launching and failing provision
[13:13] <thinkt4nk> ^
[13:13] <davidj> @mikeymop I only jest, but besides alerting the user to swap their outputs, it's probably kind of useful.
[13:14] <mikeymop> davidj: as am i :)
[13:14] <mikeymop> im not sure if I should start with pulseaudio, as even if I click it back to speakers it wont produce sound until i reboot
[13:15] <mikeymop> if I plug the adapter back, it doubles my hdmi output so then I have hdmi/displayport out 1 and 2
[13:15] <mikeymop> do you know if xrandr handles the outputs?
[13:18]  * davidj doesn't.
[13:18] <davidj> But if you find out, let me know.
[13:25] <mikhael_k33hl> I have a pre-existing efi partition in /dev/sdb for Windows, now I'm trying to install Ubuntu alongside Windows, I created a 500 parition and mounted /boot, but it gives me the error "The attempt to mount a file system with type vfat in SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) at /boot/efi failed.
[13:26] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, umm probly becouse it should not be fat
[13:26] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: I'm trying to moutn it to /boot with filesystem ext4
[13:27] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: Should I set the install bootloader on /dev/sdb1 (the efi partition created by windows)?
[13:28] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, di you set the boot flage
[13:28] <gogeta> did
[13:28] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: what do you mean boot flags?
[13:29] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, it need to be flagged at boot if your manulay partning
[13:29] <gogeta> as
[13:29] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta:  My laptop came with WIndows pre-installed, so it already has an efi partition in sdb/sdb1, I"m trying to install Ubuntu in /sdb/sda
[13:29] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: Should I install the bootloader in /sda or should I point it  to /sdb/sdb1?
[13:29] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, in gparted you have flag options check boot
[13:30] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: do you want ubuntu to be a standalone install? (it can work if you remove the hdd and put it on another pc by itself)
[13:30] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: Nope, I want it installed alongside windows
[13:30] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: ok, so if you remove the windows hdd, it won't boot anymore fyi
[13:30] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: I created a parition encrypted it with Luks then created lvm paritions on it
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:30] <EriC^^> you're cool with that?
[13:30] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: No, I want to still be able to boot to Windows
[13:31] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: no i mean ubuntu won't boot anymore
[13:32] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: So where should I install the bootloader?
[13:32] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, your eft partation need to be flagged as bootable
[13:32] <gogeta> efi
[13:32] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: in the efi partition of windows, if you're ok with what i mentioned
[13:32] <EriC^^> gogeta: nah
[13:32] <mikhael_k33hl> gogeta: hmm Didn't windows already did that
[13:33] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: So if I install the bootloader in the efi partition of Windows, will I still be able to dual boot?
[13:33] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: yeah
[13:33] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, yes grun handels that
[13:33] <gogeta> grub
[13:34] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: do I need a separate /boot partition?
[13:34] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, you only need the efi boot partation
[13:34] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: no, you don't
[13:35] <mikeymop> mikhael_k33hl: you dont mount the efi partition, just leave it and install like it doesn't exist
[13:36] <pc_> why does my screen brightness increase everytime i suspend the laptop and enter again?
[13:36] <mikhael_k33hl> the efi partition WIndows create is only 200m, is that okay?
[13:36] <gogeta> mikhael_k33hl, as long as you dont let to many kernrls build up
[13:37] <mikhael_k33hl> so below there is this Device for boot loader installation: where should I point it? to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb1(efi parition created by Windows)?
[13:37] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: yeah that's more than enough
[13:37] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: /dev/sdb
[13:38] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: /dev/sdb? that's the windows partition
[13:38] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: that's the windows disk
[13:39] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: yeah, should I point it to /dev/sdb? or /dev/sdb1(the specific efi partition)?
[13:39] <EriC^^> no just /dev/sdb
[13:39] <gogeta> umm whats on sda
[13:40] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: just make sure you're booted in uefi mode
[13:40] <pynki> probably the install usb gogeta
[13:40] <gogeta> thats odd
[13:40] <EriC^^> mikhael_k33hl: ls -l /sys/firmware/efi in a terminal should show you what mode you're booted in
[13:40] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: yeah, that commands displays a lot of stuff
[13:40] <zzarr> hello!
[13:40] <EriC^^> ok, you're all good then
[13:41] <mikecmpbll> when i try to switch user and use `systemctl --user` to control a user service in systemd, i get "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
[13:42] <mikecmpbll> if i ssh in as the deploy user, i can use systemctl --user, but if i `sudo su` to switch to root, and `su deploy` to switch back to deploy, i get the error
[13:42] <jh_> hello
[13:42] <zzarr> is it possible to build an image of a desktop Ubuntu for a Android tablet with the help of mkbootimg and the kernel source?
[13:43] <zzarr> I have an ASUS Zenpad Z300C (P023)
[13:43] <mikecmpbll> any ideas how i can achieve this so i can control the service from a script running as root?
[13:44] <zzarr> I have the kernel source (from ASUS page)
[13:49] <captainfixerpc14> G'morning - is this complicated?
[13:49] <captainfixerpc14> OpenJDK Client VM warning: You have loaded library /tmp/libnetty-transport-native-epoll2874168368219290008.so which might have disabled stack guard. The VM will try to fix the stack guard now.
[13:49] <captainfixerpc14> It's highly recommended that you fix the library with 'execstack -c <libfile>', or link it with '-z noexecstack'.
[13:50] <acresearch> hello people. what is the difference between ubuntu server and debian server? (neither has a desktop environment) and both sort of are the same under the hood (except for the update on some appilcation)... is my understanding correct?
[13:52] <pynki> acresearch, no. the same is not correct
[13:52] <acresearch> pynki: oh
[13:52] <acresearch> pynki: so what are the differences  (in general)
[13:53] <pynki> acresearch, the software you install come from different places/people
[13:54] <pynki> like pizza, kinda the same everywhere...
[13:54] <acresearch> pynki: yeh i get that, but in term of performance, i mean i have a server and i have ubuntu on it, but there are many different options including debian, i chose ubuntu becuase i know ubuntu, why would someone choose debian or another distro in a server environment
[13:55] <Sparrow__> speed
[13:55] <pynki> ideology
[13:56] <pynki> the firefox name is trademarked... you wont find it in debian
[13:56] <pynki> just to give an example
[13:56] <ducasse> acresearch: personal preference, which ecosystem they know better
[13:56] <ducasse> just to give another
[13:56] <acresearch> ducasse: hmmm
[13:57] <pynki> ubuntu server brings a lot of stuff you wont need. a headless debian install is way "cleaner" in my eyes
[13:58] <acresearch> pynki: oh
[13:58] <BluesKaj> well, most users don't do headless
[13:58] <acresearch> but it still has this issue with su and sudo and you cannot install propriety software correct?
[13:58] <marcarrelus> Hi, VLC 2.2.4 should have by default a HEVC decoder, right? I'm trying to play a h265 video but VLC just results in a black screen. I used ppa:strukturag/libde265 in the past, but it seems that there is no support anymore for later releases (I'm on zesty).
[13:59] <captainfixerpc14> acresearch,  Debian has root account enabled by default, but can be configured to use sudo
[13:59] <pynki> acresearch, you can install whatever you want on a debian system. they will not bring packets for software that is non-free of any kind
[14:00] <acresearch> pynki: i see
[14:00] <acresearch> i think i undertsand now :-)
[14:00] <Sparrow__> !su
[14:01] <Sparrow__> That was for my own benefit guys
[14:01] <ducasse> marcarrelus: vlc plays h265 just fine here on 17.04, i've not done anything other than installing it afaicr
[14:01] <marcarrelus> aha, Gnome videos can decode it. iirc this uses gstreamer under the hood, so I guess there the plugins are correctly installed.
[14:02] <marcarrelus> perhaps there is something special about the stream. It is related to a video course, so I wouldn't be surprised about it. Thanks :)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> marcarrelus,  make sure you have libde265-0 installed
[14:03] <Alby_Fox> If I wanted to change the default behavior of the alt+tab function in the default wm of ubuntu 16.04 is there a straightforward path to doing so?
[14:03] <pynki> is there a reason to keep the ~/Desktop folder in a fluxbox install?
[14:04] <Georgies> Hello. For some reason I cannot apt-get update now on my Ubuntu Server yakkety
[14:04] <marcarrelus> BluesKaj: already installed, but thanks. I can continue with gnome videos, so no problem anymore :)
[14:05] <Georgies> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24543037/ is my issue
[14:06] <Georgies> I believe it's 16.10
[14:06] <ducasse> pynki: i can't think of any, i nuked mine ages ago with no ill effects so far :)
[14:07]  * pynki nukes Desktop folders
[14:08] <ducasse> pynki: if you want to execute .desktop files and/or get the xdg autostart stuff, check out 'dex'
[14:09] <ducasse> (rofi is also good for running .desktop stuff)
[14:09] <LampLovin> just joined the channel, but how does rofi compare to alfred for macos?
[14:10] <ducasse> LampLovin: rofi is a pretty bare-bones launcher, but very extensible
[14:10] <LampLovin> so it's more on par with spotlight? i know, lots of mac references, but that's what i'm used to
[14:10] <pynki> ducasse, no need of fancy stuff. just a desktop to put a terminator window with a specific layout as "background" and i am fine...
[14:11] <mikhael_k33hl> I've installed Ubuntu on an encrypted partition (LUKS/LVM2), is there any other things I need to configure after the GUI installation? or is everything gets taken care of?
[14:12] <pynki> ducasse, and a, in my case shft+space, keycombo to get the menu ;)
[14:12] <ducasse> LampLovin: don't have a mac, so no clue really.
[14:13] <pynki> mikhael_k33hl, the standard encryption from the installer?
[14:13] <ducasse> pynki: rofi is my menu :)
[14:13] <mikhael_k33hl> pynki: Nope I did it via terminal cryptsetuyp
[14:13] <LampLovin> ducasse: no problem, thanks
[14:15] <Georgies> Can someone help my issue out/
[14:15] <ducasse> LampLovin: it's just a simple way to run commands, .desktop files, open ssh connections or select windows by default, but you can make it do a lot more with scripts
[14:15] <Georgies> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24543037/ is my issue
[14:15] <ducasse> Georgies: has this been happening for long?
[14:15] <Georgies> No
[14:15] <Georgies> Just happened this morning
[14:16] <Georgies> When I woke up I noticed it
[14:16] <Georgies> Yesterday it worked fine
[14:16] <Georgies> Could it just be my dns servers?
[14:16] <pynki> Georgies, can ping the ip?
[14:17] <pynki> sure you can, sorry, gettin a 404..
[14:17] <Georgies> PING ppa.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from haetae.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=16.1 ms
[14:17] <Georgies> So yes
[14:17] <Georgies> Hmm
[14:18] <pynki> and the release fiel is there :/
[14:18] <pynki> apt-get clean @Georgies
[14:18] <pynki> thatchanges anything?
[14:18] <Georgies> Let me try it
[14:19] <Georgies> Changed nothing
[14:19] <Georgies> :(
[14:19] <Georgies> I did apt-get update after
[14:19] <ducasse> Georgies: it looks a lot like a temporary error, i've seen similar things before
[14:19] <pynki> Gerogies, where are you located?
[14:19] <Georgies> EU
[14:19] <pynki> i have these issues here in china alot
[14:20] <Georgies> Oh. I see
[14:20] <pynki> free EU or some like UK?
[14:20] <pynki> as soon as they start tampering with conenctions....
[14:21] <Georgies> Oh you mean the government is trying to tamper with my connection?
[14:21] <Georgies> That's unlikely since its UK based
[14:21] <Georgies> I wouldn't see why the UK would do that
[14:21] <compdoc> how would you know?
[14:22] <Georgies> True
[14:22] <Georgies> But they are communists
[14:22] <Georgies> :>
[14:22] <ikonia> they would have to have a pretty good reason to do so
[14:22] <Georgies> aren't*
[14:22] <marcarrelus> ah, shame you guys are leaving :p
[14:22] <Georgies> Well we just host game servers
[14:22] <Georgies> so.
[14:22] <ikonia> the UK has to have a certain level of approval to interact with someones internet, which is logged and recorded
[14:22] <Georgies> Again, we do game servers
[14:22] <Georgies> Minecraft at that
[14:23] <Georgies> I doubt the UK is interested in a Minecraft Network
[14:23] <Georgies> Just sayn
[14:23] <marcarrelus> national security is very important
[14:23] <Georgies> xD
[14:23] <marcarrelus> terrorists organizing themself through minecraft are a known issue
[14:23] <Georgies> Totes agree with that, forgot Minecraft is a matter of National Security
[14:23] <mikhael_k33hl> EriC^^: got an error saying Grub failed to install at /target/
[14:23] <xplora1a> Georgies, can you get to launchpad.net with a browser?
[14:23] <Georgies> You guy's are funny
[14:23] <Georgies> Yes
[14:24] <Georgies> On my local pc
[14:24] <Georgies> Let me try curl
[14:24] <sansay> ##pagespeed
[14:24] <sansay> sorry about that
[14:24] <Georgies> Great, curl isnt installed since it's a minimal server install
[14:24] <Georgies> wget <3
[14:25] <Georgies> interesting
[14:25] <Georgies> My host machine is altering it
[14:25] <Georgies> Sorry for your time
[14:25] <Georgies> I figured it out

[14:25] <Georgies> lolz
[14:26] <looq> hello
[14:27] <xplora1a> Georgies, what was the problem?
[14:31] <sansay> hey guys, after  compiling a binary from source how to i install it into nginx system?
[14:31] <sansay> ubuntu system**
[14:31] <ikonia> install it into ?
[14:31] <ikonia> nginx is a web server.....
[14:32] <pynki> what do you mean with "install into"
[14:32] <marcarrelus> sansay: start with telling which kind of binary? is it a web service?
[14:32] <sansay> okay so i compiled nginx from source, and did make install
[14:33] <sansay> when i type "nginx" in the command line it says you can install nginx using the following command
[14:33] <sansay> The program 'nginx' can be found in the following packages:  * nginx-core
[14:33] <marcarrelus> is there a specific reason that you would want to compile it from source?
[14:33] <pynki> ln -s /where/ever/it/is/installed/to/nginx /bin/nginx
[14:33] <sansay> ya i need to add pagespeed module to it
[14:34] <sansay> ah
[14:34] <sansay> any idea how to figure out where it installed
[14:34] <ikonia> sansay: you compiled it - you should know where you put it
[14:34] <pynki> apt-get install locate && updatedb && locate nginx
[14:34] <ikonia> it really sounds like you shouldn't be doing this
[14:34] <ikonia> no, that won't work
[14:34] <ikonia> it will only work if you've put it in the search path locations
[14:34] <sansay> ah i see
[14:35] <sansay> so it would be in the folder where it was compiled? in objs ?
[14:35] <ikonia> sansay: depends on how you compiled it
[14:35] <ikonia> sansay: have you actually looked if you can make the module you want work with the ubuntu install ?
[14:35] <marcarrelus> sansay: just as a side-note. Apache can be much more convenient when plugins are needed. No need for manually compiling
[14:36] <sansay> https://modpagespeed.com/doc/build_ngx_pagespeed_from_source
[14:36] <sansay> just from the official source seems thats how they do it
[14:36] <ikonia> sansay: it really sounds as if this isn't something you should be doing with your current understanding
[14:36] <Sparrow__> sansay, You know that nginx 1.10 ? is in our repos
[14:37] <marcarrelus> Sparrow__, I guess he specifically wants this plugin.
[14:37] <ikonia> sansay: I think the build options don't contain the modes he wants
[14:37] <sansay> ya i need pagespeed, otherwise i would install from the package manager
[14:38] <sansay> is compiling from source that complicated that i shouldnt even bother?
[14:38] <ioria> sansay, you can add that module also building the   official ubuntu source : https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-nginx-and-google-pagespeed-on-ubuntu-16-04/
[14:38] <ikonia> sansay: I'd certainly question it with your current understanding
[14:40] <sansay> after i run make install is there a way to undo that?
[14:40] <ikonia> some packages have make uninstall
[14:40] <tezogmix> which version of ubuntu would you think would run ok for firefox browsing with some html5 (e.g. youtube) on an 32-bit intel core duo 1gb ram laptop?
[14:40] <ikonia> tezogmix: xubuntu or lubuntu
[14:41] <sansay> ah ty, this one does not
[14:41] <pynki> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-nginx-and-google-pagespeed-on-ubuntu-16-04/ maybe this way is better than
[14:41] <Sparrow__> tezogmix, 32 Bit... really
[14:41] <pynki> @sansay
[14:41] <sansay> thanks, im following that now
[14:42] <sansay> do you know what will happen with the current rogue nginx install?
[14:42] <pynki> it will idle until next reinstall
[14:42] <sansay> kk
[14:42] <pynki> perhaps catch some dust
[14:42] <tezogmix> thanks ikonia , will either run alright from a 16gb usb drive for the above purpose with the max 4gb persistence enabled? like from the pendrivelinux/UUI? currently, the laptop only has 40gb hdd and has windows 7 on it.
[14:42] <sansay> lol maybe ill wipe the server and start over after
[14:42] <ioria> God knows
[14:42] <sansay> once i figure out how to get this setup proper
[14:43] <ikonia> tezogmix: I personally don't like running from pendrives, so I'd give you an personal opinion rather than what you want
[14:44] <Sparrow__> ikonia, Do you know when we are losing 32 bit support. Soon I think.
[14:45] <ikonia> Sparrow__: I don't to be honest,
[14:45] <tezogmix> understand ikonia , wasn't using it to run any other software/downloading... Sparrow__ is that for all versions of ubuntu? rumored eta? Some of the LTS looks to be for a few more years.
[14:45] <pynki> Sparrow__, a LTS has 4 or 5 years support? then he is good until at least 2020
[14:46] <ikonia> tezogmix: the fact that it needs to run from ram and swap out the file system on the USB is not a method I like, I like it even less on lower spec machines
[14:46] <Sparrow__> ikonia, I agree, pendrive AND persistence sounds like a way to kill some flash drives
[14:46] <Southern_Gentlem> ???
[14:47] <Southern_Gentlem> Sparrow__, only when the persistence fills up then you have to wipe the drive and start over
[14:47] <Sparrow__> At least three Linux distros have already quit releasing 32-bit versions, and Ubuntu seems to be standing in line to do the same. Is the end at hand for 32-bit mainstream distros?
[14:48] <Southern_Gentlem> Sparrow__, i have flash drives with persistance that have been running for years
[14:48] <nacc> Sparrow__: yes
[14:48] <tezogmix> ikonia, i was trying linux mint mate just from a few days back with a similar usb setup... and was curious to see if xbunutu/lubuntu would run slightly differently (possibly, a little more smoother?) you make a good point nevertheless on reasons, didn't consider the drawbacks on even lower spec'd machines.
[14:48] <ioria> Sparrow__, here they say "With Ubuntu 18.10 support for 32-bit PCs will disappear completely"  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/06/ubuntu-drop-32-bit-desktop-iso-image-installer
[14:48] <ikonia> tezogmix: it will be ball park the same
[14:48] <tezogmix> i see ikonia ...
[14:48] <dar123> hey guyz, one of my applications is sending out emails as root <no-reply@domain>. How can i get it rid of root
[14:48] <ikonia> tezogmix: keep in mind thats a personal opinion though
[14:48] <ikonia> dar123: config the application
[14:48] <tezogmix> no doubt, appreciate the insight ikonia ...
[14:49] <dar123> tried multiple things on my posfix/main.cf
[14:49] <pynki> 18.04 will give us time until '22. who knows if we are not already have 128 bit until then...
[14:49] <ikonia> dar123: thats the MTA - you configure the from address/reply address in the application normally
[14:49] <tezogmix> i read that tails version 3.0 is stopping 32bit support.
[14:49] <tezogmix> so it's interesting to hear what Sparrow__ said re: 32bit phase-outs...
[14:50] <ligy> hi
[14:50] <Sparrow__> http://fossforce.com/2016/07/32-bit-nearing-end-life-linux/
[14:50] <ligy> anyone?
[14:51] <pynki> hi
[14:51] <tezogmix> from july 2016, wonder if we have any newer update news on that Sparrow__ (thanks for that link)
[14:51] <ligy> hi
[14:51] <Sparrow__> and the biggie.. Google Chrome is to drop support for all 32-bit Linux distros from March, 2016
[14:51] <tezogmix> oh yeah?
[14:51] <nacc> seems odd to say "is to drop" for something > year ago
[14:51] <frozenrouter> well, we are getting towards the point where most 32-bit only machines cannot reasonably run the software provided in your average desktop distro, so it will probably not cause much disturbance.
[14:51] <Sparrow__> Old article for reference
[14:51] <pynki> thats one of the things you should compile by yopurself
[14:51] <tezogmix> well chrome i remember stopped vista windows support much earlier than their windows EOL....
[14:51] <ioria> nacc, good point
[14:52] <nacc> beyond hardware limitation itself, there's no reason to run 32-bit anymore afaict
[14:52] <estranger> when did they stop making 32bit x86? 12-15 years ago?
[14:52] <dar123> ikonia: On the application i could only set the email no-reply@domain.
[14:52] <Sparrow__> They drop 32 bit support and no one noticed
[14:52] <akik> frozenrouter: how many apps do you have that require 3 gigs of ram per process?
[14:53] <sansay> interesting enough, that article says to edit the rules, but in the rules they are telling me to edit do not exist lol
[14:53] <pynki> nacc - oracle java on systems with less that 4gb ram would be one reason
[14:53] <frozenrouter> not so much memory for me, as the computational limits of the cpu are the problem
[14:53] <nacc> pynki: oracle java is not an ubuntu package :)
[14:53] <hateball> akik: any given modern game easily hogs that much. or a browser :)
[14:53] <tezogmix> interestingly, i think a lot of people are still running FF32-bit on 64bit systems no?
[14:53] <ikonia> dar123: then it's not sending that information to the mail server
[14:53] <estranger> 32gb heaps w/ g1gc baby
[14:53] <nacc> tezogmix: applications can stay 32-bit, if they want (afaict)
[14:54] <wadie> Hi fellows, I need help removing DRM from an ebook on Ubuntu..any ideas ?
[14:54] <nacc> wadie: afaict, that's illegal to do normally
[14:54] <frozenrouter> Even my current computer, with a fairly recent 64-bit cpu and 6gb of ram is using less than 2gb of ram, just below it's normal workload
[14:54] <nacc> wadie: so is not ontopic for this channel
[14:55] <wadie> nacc I wanna read the ebook on multiple devices..nothing illegal about that
[14:55] <tezogmix> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Roadmap
[14:56] <tezogmix> ^^ to 64bit FF
[14:56] <frozenrouter> akik: What i have found is that the 32-bit only cpu's I have used recently are heavily constrained by the cpu rather than the memory for normal applications
[14:56] <tezogmix> Firefox 2017 Strategy & Roadmap (correct title to mozilla wiki link above)
[14:57] <akik> frozenrouter: to me 32-bit vs 64-bit question is of no value. we used 32-bit for a long time, we'll use 64-bit for a long time
[14:57] <pynki> hmm 2018/8 the installer is aware of 64bit...
[14:57] <frozenrouter> Have ubuntu started providing 64-bit firefox by default for compatable releases? I remember having trouble getting hold of 64-bit firefox a while ago.
[14:57] <tezogmix> Q2 will also see the release of our first 64-bit aware installer that helps users of Windows 64-bit systems get 64-bit Firefox. Finally, Web Extensions in Firefox will reach reasonable parity with Chrome.
[14:58] <tezogmix> i wonder how our FF-plugins are going to play with this....
[14:58] <nacc> wadie: removing drm is illegal. most ebooks tha come with drm say that on the frontpiece
[14:59] <pynki> nacc, and if they say "green is now blue" - is it?
[14:59] <nacc> pynki: no idea what you're talking about?
[14:59] <frozenrouter> akik: makes sense, since we will take a long time to commonly saturate the memory limits of 64 bit, besides, in my normal use of a system, the cpu becomes a limit for most tasks even before i am using 4gb of ram, and that is on a fairly power 64 bit cpu.
[15:00] <pynki> nacc, the y can print what ever on a ebook. if his local laws allow him to do it then he can do it - besides that he can do it and live with the consquences. that its not allow to discuss here, totally understandable
[15:01] <nacc> pynki: right, so why did you point that out to me? to be offtopic about offtopic matters?
[15:02] <wadie> nacc no, but just so you know how to handle such questions next time. I didn't ask for a legal advice :)
[15:02] <akik> frozenrouter: what some people don't know is that you can have more than 4 gigs of memory on a x86 system. it just limits the per process memory usage
[15:02] <wadie> anyway I got it..thanks
[15:02] <nacc> !guidelines | wadie
[15:03] <nacc> wadie: if you would like to assert you live somewhere where removing DRM is not illegal (which you haven't), then you can do that
[15:04] <frozenrouter> akik: I remember reading about that, but have never seen it in action on a 32bit processor, where I have never been able to install more than 4gb of memory into the system and have it recognised. I have seen this with 32 bit applications on 64-bit systems
[15:04] <frozenrouter> I am forgetting to account for swap however
[15:06] <pynki> where do the guidelines say that its not allowed to talk about - maybe - illegal things?
[15:06] <sansay> does anyone know how i can see what is the default configuration params passed to the nginx packaged install?
[15:06] <sansay> is
[15:07] <frozenrouter> akik: Is there a relatively simple way for me to set that up on one of my 32-bit processor systems, it seems like an interesting concept to observe at low levels.
[15:08] <akik> frozenrouter: well do you have a system that supports more than 4 gigs of ram?
[15:08] <akik> frozenrouter: just use a i386 ubuntu iso and see what happens
[15:10] <frozenrouter> if the fact that those systems have x86-64 processors will not affect it, I will do that when I can leave a system installing, thanks! :)
[15:10] <akik> frozenrouter: back in time, there were different kernels for red hat (bigmem, hugemem)
[15:10] <akik> frozenrouter: they're backwards compatible
[15:13] <Zied9> 2
[15:22] <scorpion> any one around?
[15:22] <scorpion> I got a question
[15:22] <nacc> !ask | scorpion
[15:22] <Seveas> scorpion: no, we're all out getting drunk :)
[15:22] <kantlivelong> .bang
[15:23] <scorpion> how do I know ahead of time if a distro is going to be compatable with fglrx prop driver?
[15:23] <kantlivelong> .bang
[15:23] <nacc> kantlivelong: please stop
[15:23] <scorpion> other than 14.04.1 Ubuntu
[15:23] <scorpion> I don't know any
[15:23] <kantlivelong> wha?
[15:23] <scorpion> i wanna install prop AMD drivers
[15:23] <kantlivelong> wat am i doing?
[15:23] <scorpion> fglrx
[15:23] <Seveas> scorpion: all versions of ubuntu can use that.
[15:23] <nacc> kantlivelong: you are typing '.bang'
[15:23] <scorpion> and EVERY distro i use fails
[15:23] <kantlivelong> oh lol
[15:23] <nacc> Seveas: not true, fglrx is gone
[15:23] <kantlivelong> weird
[15:23] <scorpion> except for ubuntu 14.04.1
[15:24] <scorpion> I end up with a black login screen
[15:24] <jackhum> in ubuntu if i close spotify , i think it should still continue playing music because it is in sound indicator as a service . why is this not happening
[15:24] <scorpion> level 1
[15:24] <kantlivelong> not sure why its going to this channel
[15:24] <scorpion> run
[15:24] <ash_workz> where is the recommended place for aliases? It's not .bashrc anymore right? I thought maybe it was bash_profile, but I saw online something like bash_aliases ?
[15:24] <jackhum> i have 2 music app , when i close those they stop playing music
[15:24] <Seveas> nacc: oh. TIL. I'm out of date :)
[15:24] <kantlivelong> nacc: thx for letting me know
[15:24] <scorpion> Definately NOT every distro is compatable with fglrx
[15:24] <scorpion> unless you know of a better driver to use with my ancient HD 7570
[15:24] <Seveas> jackhum: no, the indicator doesn't keep the music going. It just indicates that there's music being played
[15:24] <nacc> scorpion: look in the logs for why it failed with the newer HWE kernel?
[15:25] <nacc> scorpion: nothing wrong with using 14.04.1, btw
[15:25] <nacc> scorpion: if you have old hardware
[15:25] <Seveas> ash_workz: .bashrc works just fine.
[15:25] <scorpion> i remember why it fails
[15:25] <scorpion> it said it was unable to open /dev/ttyo
[15:25] <scorpion> in my xorg log file
[15:25] <ash_workz> Seveas: I thought that wasn't recommended for one reason or another
[15:25] <nacc> ash_workz: not recommended by whom?
[15:26] <nacc> scorpion: 14.04.1 is supported as long as 14.04.5 is
[15:26] <Seveas> ash_workz: if anyone ever recommended that, I'd argue they're wrong :)
[15:26] <ash_workz> nacc: I thought I read that in the docs somewhere
[15:26] <nacc> scorpion: *but* note to not confuse hwe level vs. distro level
[15:26] <jackhum> Seveas, okay , but can i do something so that i can kill music app , and it keeps running in sound indicator panel instead of showing it in my dock
[15:26] <Seveas> jackhum: no.
[15:26] <ash_workz> clearly I'm wrong
[15:26] <ash_workz> glad I checked though
[15:26] <scorpion> If I try to install fglrx on a brand new install of 17.04, i reboot to a black login screen
[15:26] <nacc> scorpion: fglrx doesn't exist anymore
[15:26] <nacc> scorpion: it makes no sense to install it on 17.04
[15:27] <Seveas> ash_workz: you can make your dotfiles as complicated as you want. My setup for instance is fairly complicated :)
[15:27] <jackhum> Seveas, i think this was there in earlier version . i dont want to see applications at launcher
[15:27] <nacc> scorpion: there is only amdgpu and then amdgpu-pro, iirc
[15:27] <scorpion> How do I get propietary drivers on newer kernel?
[15:27] <scorpion> I have a Radeon HD 7570
[15:27] <scorpion> ddr5 1gig
[15:27] <tgm4883> scorpion: generally you don't need them, they are either supported by Radeon or AMDGPU
[15:27] <ioria> scorpion, sy, how can you install fglrx on zesty ?
[15:27] <nacc> scorpion: you don't.
[15:28] <scorpion> I was only able to install fglrx on 14.04.1
[15:28] <Seveas> nacc: is amdgpu foss or proprietary? Or where can I read more about this? :)
[15:28] <nacc> Seveas: amdgpu is open, in the kernel
[15:28] <nacc> Seveas: i believe amdgpu-pro is the proprietary equiv. but i'm no tsure
[15:28] <nacc> scorpion: yes, you can only install it on 14.04
[15:28] <nacc> scorpion: if you want fglrx stay on 14.04
[15:29] <tgm4883> amdgpu-pro is the proprietary one, although I think it just adds some features not generally needed for 3d acceleration
[15:29] <scorpion> does the Radeon Driver provide better performance than fglrx?
[15:29] <nacc> scorpion: if your hardware is working, there is no reason to use 14.04.5 v. 14.04.1 afaict
[15:29] <tgm4883> scorpion: being the FGLRX doesn't exist anymore, yes?
[15:29] <Seveas> scorpion: did you see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-PRO-Driver ?
[15:29] <nacc> scorpion: seems unlikely
[15:29] <scorpion> fglrx does exist lol
[15:30] <nacc> scorpion: no, it doesn't, not on 16.04+
[15:30] <scorpion> i guess its just not being developed any more
[15:30] <nacc> scorpion: it exists *for* 14.04
[15:30] <scorpion> is the open source driver gonna be able to provide any 3d performance for my card?
[15:31] <scorpion> sorry to ask so many questions but its not often i find people that know what they are talking about lol
[15:31] <nacc> scorpion: depends on the card. I believe older hardware is less well supported, but i'm not sure
[15:31] <ioria> scorpion, yes
[15:31] <Seveas> scorpion: best way to find that out is to try it and see
[15:31] <ioria> scorpion, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[15:32] <scorpion> i only have a 8800 GT,   an 8800 GTX , and an AMD HD 7570 ddr5
[15:32] <scorpion> so I don't have many choices for video card to make a light steam gaming pc
[15:32] <Seveas> according to what I find with google, the amdgpu-pro driver (proprietary replacement for fglrx) supports the 7570
[15:32] <Seveas> and the 8800
[15:32] <Seveas> http://news.softpedia.com/news/amdgpu-pro-16-60-linux-driver-finally-adds-amd-radeon-hd-7xxx-8xxx-support-512280.shtml
[15:33] <scorpion> oh wait I have nvidia 610 as well muahah
[15:33] <scorpion> gt 610
[15:33] <ioria> scorpion, ah
[15:33] <Xtreme> hello, Got a odd and challenging question. Kinda betting you guys never faced this one before.
[15:33] <scorpion> i have an ati x800 aswell
[15:34] <scorpion> whats up Xtreme?
[15:34] <Xtreme> I want to set up two login passwords for my user account. No, not "wither one or another", but both. Like 2fa but with password
[15:34] <scorpion> hmmmmmmmm
[15:34] <Seveas> Xtreme: I have in fact implemented such a thing the other day....
[15:34] <Xtreme> Like, you login with password a, then it asks again, where you have to enter password b.
[15:34] <scorpion> giving your best friend access to your porn collection?
[15:34] <plshelps> need help to setup my keyboard after user remove, apreciatcha!
[15:34] <Seveas> Xtreme: so, you lost your bet :)
[15:34] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: No, both are required to log in, not either.
[15:34] <Xtreme> scorpion, exactly the opposite.
[15:35] <scorpion> what are you trying to do because I bet there is a better solution you haven't thought of yet Xtreme
[15:35] <pynki> Xtreme: easy. just reimplement "login"
[15:35] <Xtreme> scorpion, its a + b
[15:35] <Xtreme> Seveas, i am happy and sad.
[15:35] <Xtreme> How you did that?
[15:35] <Seveas> pam magic
[15:35] <Xtreme> pynki, explain please
[15:36] <Seveas> Xtreme: have you ever played with pam configurations?
[15:36] <scorpion> you guys should check out Jitsi
[15:36] <Xtreme> Seveas, yeah.
[15:36] <Xtreme> Implemented 2fa with the same. but google authenticator.
[15:36] <ChaiTRex> Jitsi was ugly last time I saw it.
[15:36] <scorpion> it lets you give a small url to people that you can goto to share your screen, whiteboard, and skype like functionalitym, with NO LOGINS
[15:36] <Xtreme> was tinkering it a bit so it only asks for few things and not for others.
[15:37] <scorpion> jitsi is amazing now
[15:37] <Seveas> Xtreme: good. Then I'll just say pam_extrausers :) have a required on pam_unix and (for select users on pam_extrausers)
[15:37] <scorpion> and being able to put it on your own webserver, or even host with your linux box, is freaking awesome
[15:37] <riidom> how can I figure out where evince is installed, please? I need to point another application towards it
[15:37] <scorpion> jitsi did alot of bug fixes and stablization over the last year
[15:37] <s_kilk> I've got this weird issue that's started in the last few days (16.04), the gnome keyring doesn't unlock on login anymore. Meaning ssh, chromium etc, will prompt for keyring unlock on first use. Anyone any idea why that would be?
[15:38] <Xtreme> Seveas, thank you. Looking into it.
[15:38] <Seveas> Xtreme: I'll leave the problem of how to populate /var/lib/extrausers/ as an exercise for the reader...
[15:38] <ChaiTRex> riidom: Run `which evince`
[15:38] <pynki> Xtreme, https://github.com/shadow-maint/shadow this should be the source code for user login - just add your needs
[15:38] <scorpion> okay guys.    power users, whats your partition scheme for installing??  which directories do you give their own partition on the HDD and how big?
[15:38] <Xtreme> But just to make sure we both understood each other correctly. we are talking about a + b and not a or b.
[15:38] <riidom> ty ChaiTRex
[15:38] <Xtreme> pynki, taking a look at it as well.
[15:38] <Seveas> pynki: that's entirely unnecessary. pam lets you do this without any code modifications.
[15:38] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: One big partition and a small one for swap.
[15:39] <scorpion> really?
[15:39] <scorpion> no /boot  no /tmp
[15:39] <tgm4883> scorpion: don't poll the channel
[15:39] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: That way, there's no worries about filling one of many up and having to resize.
[15:39] <Seveas> !poll
[15:39] <scorpion> what about /var
[15:39] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: I have /tmp in RAM.
[15:39] <tgm4883> scorpion: one / one SWAP
[15:39] <scorpion> ohhhh I was wondering how to do that
[15:39] <Seveas> scorpion: there is no such thing as an optimal partition scheme. Depends on the use case.
[15:39] <scorpion> i heard about that
[15:39] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Ahh, yes, for UEFI, I have /boot/efi or something on a separate partition.
[15:39] <ioria> scorpion, have you already tried that  HD 7570 on zesty ?
[15:40] <scorpion> sorry to poll, but NO one i've ever met in real life uses linux so when I find you guys im going to ask questions
[15:40] <Seveas> e.g. I have everything except /boot as encrypted lvm. But on most of my servers I don't.
[15:40] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: If you have a lot of RAM, `tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777 0 0` in /etc/fstab
[15:40] <Xtreme> Seveas, I hope the answer to my question is yes. Now if i understood extrausers correctly, the steps are.
[15:40] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Then, boot to single user mode, erase everything in /tmp (don't delete /tmp itself, though).
[15:40] <scorpion> does that mean that ALL temp files in the whole system get funneled through that ram disk?
[15:41] <Xtreme> 1: create /var/lib/extrausers/passwd and /var/lib/extrausers/shadow and copy set up second password there.
[15:41] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: No, most things don't use /tmp. Like browser caches are in ~/.cache.
[15:41] <Xtreme> 2: modify my pam.d/x file and set it up as another authenticator parameter
[15:41] <Xtreme> right?
[15:41] <Seveas> correct
[15:41] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: /tmp isn't used all that much these days.
[15:42] <scorpion> okay then maybe what I'm thinking of is maybe making a partition on my ssd that acts as a buffer for my spinny hd
[15:42] <mikecmpbll> how can i start a user service (systemd) as root?
[15:42] <scorpion> would that offer any performanfce benifit?
[15:42] <Seveas> I'd do something like: auth required pam_unix.so ; auth [success=ok, default=ignore] pam_succeed_if.so use_uid uid > 1000; auth required pam_extrausers.so
[15:42] <ChaiTRex> mikecmpbll: Usually `sudo service whatever start`
[15:42] <Seveas> Xtreme: that way the extra passowrd only applies to 'normal' users and you have root as an escape hatch if you screw up :)
[15:43] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Yes, if the caching is done well. I'm not sure how to set that up, though.
[15:43] <mikecmpbll> ChaiTRex : says not found. i can use `systemctl --user ...` as the user, but when i `sudo su` to root, i can't interact with it
[15:43] <Xtreme> But that you will do in common auth
[15:44] <ChaiTRex> mikecmpbll: Sorry, not sure then.
[15:44] <Xtreme> which sudo will also inherit.
[15:44] <Seveas> Xtreme: depends on where you want this. Could be in common-auth, could be in sshd...
[15:44] <Xtreme> so maybe, i should do that for mdm & login
[15:44] <Seveas> I generally only care about sshd when I do this kind of config
[15:45] <mikecmpbll> if i try sudo su - deploy -c 'systemctl --user ...' i get "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
[15:45] <Xtreme> btw, i think my root login is disabled. How can i be 100% sure about it?
[15:45] <Seveas> try logging in as root :)
[15:45] <Xtreme> lol
[15:45] <scorpion> man it seems like left 4 dead 2 stutters no matter whether I play it on my 16 core Ryzen 1700x or my 4 core q9450 core 2 quad
[15:46] <scorpion> whether i use rx 480 or this crappy hd 7570.   stutters on literally every os and hardware I have
[15:46] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: sudo cat /etc/shadow, see if the `root` line starts with `root:!`
[15:47] <akik> mikecmpbll: maybe compare the "env" when the user service works and when it doesn't (sudo su - user)
[15:47] <Xtreme> ChaiTRex, yes there is. and Yes, its not disabled.. Will removing that line disable login completely?
[15:47] <mikecmpbll> akik : good idea, thanks i'll check that out
[15:47] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: Do not remove that line. The system depends on it.
[15:47] <Xtreme> LOL. good i asked
[15:47] <Xtreme> :D
[15:48] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: The ! means it's disabled.
[15:48] <Xtreme> scorpion, isnt that 8 core cpu?
[15:48] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: According to `man passwd`.
[15:48] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: See the `-l` option there.
[15:48] <Xtreme> aah okay. so yes, it has that line, but it doesnt have !
[15:49] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: Without the !, the account is enabled.
[15:49] <Xtreme> okay. so adding ! first.
[15:49] <Seveas> Xtreme: does it look like this: root:$6$U42VdWnf$u499wMz4......
[15:49] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: You can use `sudo passwd -l root` to lock it.
[15:49] <Seveas> don't manually edit the file please
[15:49] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: Don't edit /etc/shadow directly.
[15:50] <Seveas> too easy to make mistake :)
[15:50] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: If you screw up, it can screw things up.
[15:50] <Xtreme> okay :) Thanks. I used the passwd -l
[15:50] <undil> hiiiy
[15:50] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: Is there now a !?
[15:51] <Xtreme> Seveas, yes it was that way first. ChaiTRex Yup, now it has !
[15:51] <ChaiTRex> Xtreme: OK, you're good now :)
[15:51] <tgm4883> scorpion: I don't recall stuttering issues when I was playing that on my older boxes. I recall having many issues on 16.04 with my RX480 (which I got rid of) so you might try 17.04 with it now
[15:51] <Xtreme> and i like the "This option disables a password by changing it to a value which matches no possible encrypted value" part.
[15:51] <tgm4883> or you could just stop buying AMD
[15:51] <Xtreme> interesting
[15:52] <Xtreme> tgm4883, AMD is not BAD.
[15:52] <scorpion> @tgm4883  What driver were you using for the rx 480
[15:52] <Seveas> merely evil
[15:52] <tgm4883> scorpion: I tried both AMDGPU and AMDGPU-PRO
[15:52] <scorpion> AMD at least makes an attempt to be part of the linux and open source community
[15:53] <tgm4883> Xtreme: in theory, no they aren't.
[15:53] <scorpion> nvidia doesn't care for us at all
[15:53] <Xtreme> I have around 12 AMD FX8 systems. and they beat the other Intel systems any given time. (got around 16 intel systems)
[15:53] <scorpion> im gonna atleast support the company that is trying to give us other options besides microsoft and being slaves to our own hardware and software
[15:53] <tgm4883> This seems very off topic for this channel, if only there was a channel for offtopic discussion...
[15:54] <scorpion> unless nvidia provides a nessecary feature, I try to buy amd to support what they are doing for us
[15:54] <pynki> scorpion, like cuda?
[15:54] <pynki> some s**t needs it :/
[15:54] <Xtreme> Seveas, okay. Can you please point me towards the right way in populating /var/lib/extrausers/passwd and /var/lib/extrausers/shadow for my user only?
[15:54] <scorpion> Im happy just to see activity on the channel regardless of off topic or not... Man people just wanna talk, its okay
[15:55] <treaki> hi
[15:55] <scorpion> yes like cuda, but you don't always need cuda for everything
[15:55] <treaki> does anybody has access to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/17.04/release/
[15:55] <tgm4883> !ot | scorpion no, there's a reason for it
[15:55] <pynki> Xtreme, better to create a dummy/test user for rthat
[15:55] <treaki> i have lost mine just one moment ago
[15:55] <treaki> and i need an iso
[15:55] <treaki> is there a mirror?
[15:55] <mikecmpbll> akik : great suggestion, was XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 env var that made it work with su
[15:55] <tgm4883> treaki: what do you mean you lost access? It works here?
[15:55] <scorpion> oh okay I get it.  I do come here for support, but sometimes just seeing channel activity makes me more likely to speak up and ask for support
[15:56] <pynki> treaki, link works fine
[15:56] <scorpion> If the channels dead and no one talks im likely to try somewhere else
[15:56] <treaki> my browser isnt able to load any page under that domain
[15:56] <tgm4883> scorpion: then you don't understand how support channels work
[15:56] <tgm4883> treaki: can you resolve that domain to an IP address?
[15:56] <scorpion> i do, but dead channels usually stay dead...
[15:56] <pynki> treaki, bottorrent
[15:56] <pynki> bit
[15:56] <treaki> thats an idea...
[15:57] <treaki> but i heared people got blamed by law (or how to say it in english) for using it
[15:57] <akik> mikecmpbll: nice!
[15:57] <DArqueBishop> scorpion: this channel is active enough with support requests that offtopic chatter causes problems.
[15:57] <scorpion> you have to registor to join #ubuntu-offtopic?
[15:57] <tgm4883> scorpion: there's a difference between dead channels and quiet channels. The difference is usually the number next to "Users/Members/etc". In this case, I have trouble seeing a channel with 1900+ people as dead
[15:58] <pynki>  treaki https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[15:58] <scorpion> your right lol.
[15:58] <scorpion> I have to agree with you there
[15:58] <treaki> ah, wget is working
[15:58] <tgm4883> treaki: you'd need to back that up with some sort of info. I don't see why that would get "blamed by law"
[15:58] <treaki> but i get only 300kbps where i should get 1,6 M
[15:59] <treaki> ah
[15:59] <treaki> now it is working
[15:59] <pynki> treaki, http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/ubuntu-releases/ try this one - should be quite near
[15:59] <treaki> lookes like my browser dosent liket that urls while it was able to open google and so on
[15:59] <pynki> and rtwh works grat normally
[16:00] <treaki> now i am at 1,5 M..which is ok
[16:00] <treaki> browsers are just to complex to understand, i should use wget everytime in the future
[16:00] <treaki> i guess it was such a ipv4/v6 handover problem that i had just yesterday or something else
[16:00] <treaki> wget is now using v4 and i dont have any native v6
[16:01] <treaki> i guess my browser thought it could be a good idea to use v6 and it failed...
[16:01] <treaki> or maybe i have to much addblocking addons installed
[16:02] <nKf> hi all. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 and want to add an application to mime list (.config/mimeapps.list). But it doesn't work for desktop files that are in .local/share/applications. Select "open as" in nautilus also doesn't show the application, but the scope is able to find it. any ideas?
[16:02] <treaki> i hate such problems where you dont can find out what was the root of it
[16:02] <yochay> hello?
[16:02] <treaki> any idea how to investigate that?
[16:02] <treaki> hi yochay
[16:02] <yochay> hi
[16:02] <scorpion> im having a hard time getting a handle on the finer points of trouble shooting linux. When something goes wrong in windows, 99 percent of the time I can track it down and fix it.   When something breaks on my linux box and leaves me stuck with no GUI on a command line with no way to undo what i broke i feel so stupid...
[16:02] <treaki> and strangest thing, after browser restart, problem gone...
[16:02] <scorpion> I don't like when my os makes me feel stupid
[16:03] <Seveas> scorpion: I don't need an os for that :)
[16:03] <nacc> scorpion: beyond installing an unsupported package, what else have you done that 'broke' things?
[16:03] <treaki> scorpion, with me its completely the oposite, if something fails in linux, ill use my bash and find out whats the problem infact
[16:04] <treaki> (with tail and grep ant all them)
[16:04] <scorpion> I want to trust me
[16:04] <treaki> but on windows i am dammed to reinstall it
[16:04] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: There are tools to diagnose whatever, it's just learning that they exist and getting some practice with them.
[16:04] <scorpion> but when you only an intermediate user looking at the blinking black screen with no gui its a bit scary lol
[16:04] <nacc> primarily (IMO) it's reading logs and understanding them
[16:04] <treaki> but i think this problem could happen as well in windows if you just copy my firefox with the 100 addons or so over to there
[16:04] <scorpion> I have some decent CLI skills on linux
[16:04] <nacc> scorpion: you don't need a GUI to do anything then :)
[16:04] <nacc> scorpion: just login and find logs
[16:04] <treaki> scorpion, just ssh into your machine from another one
[16:04] <scorpion> I can move around, copy files, do some basic compiling,
[16:05] <scorpion> but as SOON as i start getting errors my whole life is over
[16:05] <nacc> scorpion: oh that's more "basic CLI skills"
[16:05] <scorpion> For example
[16:05] <treaki> i have used my computer a cupple of days before rebooting with a frozen screen do to broken grafic hardware;)
[16:05] <treaki> have a look at some basic unix tutorial
[16:05] <treaki> i have started back then with this one
[16:06] <treaki> http://rowa.giso.de/german/
[16:06] <scorpion> I tried to compile the quake 3 engine on the raspberry pi, it failed because it was looking for a dependant file in a certain place, that the developers of Raspbian had moved around, and if i had any clue what I was doing I would've been able fix that
[16:06] <treaki> its in german language, but i think you can just look up all the topics there to get a basic understanding of how to use the commandline
[16:06] <scorpion> literally only one file stopping me from compiling but I don't know how to include it
[16:06] <treaki> and if you once got used to it, you want miss it anymore and are installing cycwin on any windows you need to use for your job ;)
[16:07] <Giora> Hey is it possible to install gnome3 on ubuntu without compiz?
[16:07] <scorpion> And trying to google a solution wont work with this particular problem.
[16:07] <zootopia2> hi there ..
[16:07] <EriC^^> Giora: yes
[16:07] <treaki> scorpion, and whats the error message of that copy procces
[16:07] <treaki> and which software are you using to copy it?
[16:07] <Malsasa_> zootopia2, hello.
[16:07] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Maybe the C or C++ channels for that sort of thing (specifying where a file is).
[16:07] <treaki> we can try to investigate if you like till my ubuntu is downloaded and installed...
[16:08] <zootopia2> I need help ..
[16:08] <scorpion> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=178843&p=1139194
[16:08] <nacc> scorpion: there are better channels than this one for programming related help
[16:08] <treaki> zootopia2, dont ask to ask, just ask
[16:08] <ChaiTRex> treaki: I think WSL is giving Cygwin a run for its money.
[16:08] <scorpion> I posted my issue here, and NO ONE. Literally no one replied.
[16:08] <scorpion> not here, on that link I mean.
[16:08] <zootopia2> I move my home partition.
[16:08] <zootopia2> and now get this in dmesg
[16:08] <zootopia2> cgroup: new mount options do not match the existing superblock, will be ignored
[16:09] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: Yeah, most people here won't know, so they won't answer.
[16:09] <nacc> scorpion: not really an ubuntu issue if raspi forums are empty
[16:09] <scorpion> treaki, check the link I posted
[16:09] <treaki> ChaiTRex, i hate win10, and on my workplace there is still windows 7, and cygwin runs portable from a stick
[16:09] <ChaiTRex> scorpion: For example, I wouldn't know since I'm not proficient with C or C++>.
[16:09] <nacc> scorpion: the error is mssing libraries
[16:09] <EriC^^> zootopia2: show "sudo blkid" and "cat /etc/fstab"
[16:09] <punkboy> who french ?
[16:09] <EriC^^> !paste | zootopia2
[16:09] <treaki> of cause its not perfect, but its open source, so ill keep using it ;)
[16:09] <scorpion> yes a missing library
[16:09] <ChaiTRex> treaki: Ahh, good point.
[16:09] <Giora> scorpion: use any utility to find that file and pass -I<Path to folder> to gcc
[16:09] <nacc> zootopia2: tht's not an error, it can be ignored
[16:09] <punkboy> hi
[16:09] <nacc> scorpion: many missing libraries
[16:09] <nacc> scorpion: so isntall the missing libraries
[16:09] <treaki> ah i missed that because of it startet with raspi ;)
[16:09] <scorpion> i see hundreds of people with quake 3 on their pi and when I go to compile iu get that
[16:10] <treaki> your hollipi scorpion ?
[16:10] <nacc> scorpion: did you install all the needed dependnecies?
[16:10] <zootopia2> I changed fstab ..
[16:10] <scorpion> But heres the thing, I was following a tutorial using a fresh install of raspbian, it should've had all nessecary libraries
[16:10] <pynki> scorpion, see the pm
[16:10] <zootopia2> sda2: LABEL="home" UUID="d5de582c-e29b-4479-a34d-be364458117c" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="00085e45-02"
[16:10] <treaki> why compiling it the in the first place, isnt there a package in raspian with that engine?
[16:11] <scorpion> Yes I am Hollipl
[16:11] <zootopia2> I didn't change the PARTUUID ?
[16:11] <scorpion> i made that post
[16:11] <nacc> scorpion: um, there's no reason for all the libraries to beinstalled, and i don't know what tutorial you followed
[16:11] <akik> scorpion: did you make a web search for your problem? https://joshua14.homelinux.org/blog/?p=1715
[16:11] <treaki> https://packages.debian.org/sid/ioquake3
[16:11] <nacc> zootopia2: wht is your actual issue?
[16:11] <treaki> there, should be there on raspbian to
[16:12] <treaki> https://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianRepository page isnt loading but they have anytime less instead of more
[16:12] <tgm4883> I usually recommend a reinstall when I see "I've tried 15 different tutorials"
[16:12] <nacc> tgm4883: +1
[16:12] <zootopia2> i get a delay on boot and a complaint from dmsg: 'cgroup: new mount options do not match the existing superblock, will be ignored'
[16:12] <nacc> zootopia2: the latter is unrelated
[16:12] <scorpion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1LgXWdOvEg
[16:12] <treaki> 504 Gateway Time-out
[16:12] <nacc> zootopia2: and was probably there before
[16:12] <nacc> scorpion: please don't paste videos without context
[16:12] <scorpion> This is the quake3 tutorial i followed
[16:13] <scorpion> sorry nacc
[16:13] <tgm4883> scorpion: sorry, your post cracks me up. There's no way to "I'm following the process precisely" when you "tried 15 different tutorials"
[16:16] <zootopia2> nacc: Well maybe I didn't notice before, a watch pot :)
[16:17] <zootopia2> 'watched pot' takes ages to boil ..
[16:17] <nacc> zootopia2: yeah, so the delay -- if you change your fstab back, does it go away?
[16:17] <ChaiTRex> zootopia2: One time I watched a pot, and the metal didn't start boiling until next week.
[16:18] <zootopia2> I tried replacing the UUID with /dev/sda2 .. no effect .. it's to do with cgroups ...
[16:19] <nacc> zootopia2: what version of ubuntu?
[16:20] <zootopia2> 16.04
[16:20] <nacc> zootopia2: run `systemd-analyze blame` and pastebin the output