[10:29] <intelikey> vlc ?    yeah it's in the repos
[10:29] <intelikey> !info vlc
[10:29] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player for all audio and video formats. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 7620 kB, installed size 18808 kB
[10:32] <korgans> !info adept
[10:32] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[10:32] <korgans> !info repository
[10:32] <ubotu> Package repository does not exist in dapper
[10:32] <Healot> !repos
[10:32] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:32] <Healot> like that
[10:33] <Jucato> !info Jucato
[10:33] <ubotu> Package Jucato does not exist in dapper
[10:33] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:33] <korgans> lol
[10:33] <korgans> dotn see vlc in adept
[10:34] <Jucato> korgans: you have to enable the universe repository
[10:34] <korgans> how ?
[10:35] <korgans> i feel like i need a shuttle to get there lol
[10:35] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:35] <draik> korgans, do you know how to get to your repositories?
[10:35] <Jucato> go to the section about adding Universe
[10:35] <korgans> no
[10:35] <korgans> ok
[10:35] <korgans> ;)
[10:35] <korgans> thx
[10:35] <draik> that will help you
[10:35] <Healot> In repository universe << enable the universe section of repos dapper, update and you'll see the list
[10:35] <Jucato> no problemo
[10:35] <draik> Thank you Jucato
[10:36] <Jucato> ^_^
[10:36] <Jucato> lol
[10:37] <intelikey> jucato   not the duck ???     lol
[10:38] <draik> I am a dragon
[10:39] <draik> night dragon
[10:39] <draik> Konqi is my homie!!!
[10:39] <Jucato> :D
[10:39] <draik> Konqi is the KDE dragon, right?
[10:40] <Jucato> yessss
[10:40] <Jucato> Katie (not Kate) is his girlfriend
[10:41] <intelikey> what does gshadow do ?
[10:42] <draik> Katie is Konqi's girlfriend, Kate is his illegitamate love child
[10:42] <Jucato> is there a way to stop Java from launching the applet in a separate borderless window?
[10:42] <Jucato> draik: lol!
[10:42] <korgans> see a list
[10:43] <korgans> but no vlc in the list
[10:43] <korgans> :(
[10:43] <Jucato> korgans: did you click on Fetch Updates after you enabled the universe repositories?
[10:43] <korgans> il try that ;)
[10:44] <korgans> My bad
[10:44] <intelikey> Jucato sure.  you could remove java.   but konq has a setting to disallow popups
[10:44] <korgans> late here
[10:45] <Jucato> intelikey: err... I need that Java applet. but it's launching in a separate borderless window rather than within the browser.
[10:45] <korgans> now that say break install when i install it
[10:45] <Jucato> I thought this was a default behavior, so I was surprised that it didn't happen in MEPIS
[10:45] <draik> Ugh
[10:46] <draik> working on this darn winxp machine is frustrating
[10:46] <draik> now the %windir%/config/system file is corrupted
[10:46] <Jucato> draik: coz you're too kind...:-D
[10:46] <draik> just peachy
[10:46] <korgans> Working on this wonderful linu built is frustrating when ya a noob(me)
[10:47] <korgans> why did it say break install ?
[10:47] <draik> Jucato, I really don't want to be a <enter own profanity> bad guy
[10:47] <intelikey> Jucato default for kubuntu  means the way kde is configured   check your konqueror settings.  i think you can force it to use a tab.
[10:48] <Jucato> korgans: when you choose "Request Install", try clicking on Preview Changes to see what is going to be removed... Just DON'T click on Apply Changes yet
[10:48] <Jucato> draik: hehehe
[10:48] <korgans> my install wont work
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: no, I meant that it's not supposed to even popup. It's supposed to launch within the same page, in the same tab, in the same window
[10:48] <korgans> say break
[10:49] <draik> I wish I had a metalic leg/foot so that I can literally kick this thing to the curb
[10:49] <Jucato> when it says break, click on Preview Changes
[10:49] <korgans> ok
[10:49] <intelikey> Jucato check settings.
[10:50] <Jucato> still checking :-D
[10:50] <korgans> ok did preview change
[10:50] <korgans> and what next ?
[10:50] <Jucato> is there a list, saying that some things will be removed?
[10:50] <korgans> nope
[10:51] <Jucato> hmm...
[10:51] <Jucato> ok now I'm stumped
[10:51] <korgans> !info break install
[10:51] <ubotu> Package break does not exist in dapper
[10:51] <korgans> lol
[10:51] <Jucato> !break
[10:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about break - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <korgans> Useless bot !!
[10:52] <korgans> lol
[10:52] <draik> !love
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about love - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <Jucato> !me
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about me - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:52] <Jucato> rofl
[10:52] <draik> I hope that explains something to you korgans
[10:52] <Jucato> !you
[10:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about you - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <draik> !Jucato
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about Jucato - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <draik> !draik
[10:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about draik - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:53] <Jucato> hmm... I think we're breaking rules by playing with ubotu
[10:53] <Jucato> ...
[10:53] <draik> LOL, probably right
[10:53] <draik> and it better now know anything about me if it knows what good for itself...
[10:54] <korgans> lol
[10:54] <intelikey> !myself
[10:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about myself - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:54] <korgans> adept wont let me install amnything they all ina break install status when i try wow
[10:54] <Jucato> err...
[10:54] <Jucato> korgans: check your repositories again, is almost everything grayed out?
[10:55] <draik> I'm gonna be in such a happy mood once I realize that this is just a dream... I am not near any winxp machines... I'm on Linux Island, home of the free...
[10:55] <korgans> i activated it
[10:55] <Jucato> which ones did you activate?
[10:55] <korgans> and put it on universe multiverse
[10:55] <Jucato> only one line?
[10:55] <Jucato> try to check if these lines are also grayed out
[10:56] <Jucato> "deb http://**.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted"
[10:56] <Jucato> ok... actually one line only... @_@
[10:57] <korgans> still dont work
[10:57] <Jucato> did you Fetch Updates again?
[10:57] <intelikey> korgans run these three commands an pastebin the output please.    lsb_release  &&  cat /etc/apt/sources.list  &&  sudo apt-get install -f
[10:57] <korgans> yup
[10:57] <Jucato> intelikey: how do you "pastebin"???
[10:58] <korgans> no lsb mosule available for first one
[10:58] <intelikey> !paste
[10:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:01] <intelikey> Jucato add a -a to the; lsb_release -a
[11:01] <Jucato> intelikey: not to me, to korgan :-D
[11:02] <korgans> il redo it :P
[11:02] <intelikey> yes.  misaddressed it.
[11:03] <korgans> pastebin how do i use it
[11:03] <Jucato> !paste
[11:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[11:03] <Jucato> go to that site
[11:04] <intelikey> you go to the url and paste in your text then hit the send and bring us the url it returns.
[11:05] <korgans> ok
[11:05] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19999
[11:06] <Jucato> er.. how about the other commands?
[11:06] <Jucato> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <Jucato> korgans: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:06] <korgans> im doing it step by step
[11:06] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20001
[11:07] <Jucato> ehehe the "&&" means you could put them all in one line and they will be executed one after the other
[11:07] <Jucato> so that you won't have to do it one at a time and have 3 things to copy/paste ^_^
[11:07] <intelikey> hey it's my time your wasting,  take as long as you like.
[11:07] <Jucato> oh I see what's wrong
[11:08] <Jucato> you have to disable the lines in your repository with "deb cdrom:..."
[11:08] <wckdkl0wn> how to i tell what all is running on my system
[11:08] <korgans> ok
[11:08] <wckdkl0wn> i have a video playing i can still hear it but i cant find the running program to close
[11:08] <Jucato> wait not yet done
[11:09] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20002
[11:09] <intelikey> wckdkl0wn  ksysguard     xtop    top    ps -A x
[11:09] <draik> Is there an award for most patient during a rebuild of... dare I say... winxp
[11:09] <Jucato> korgans: ok, now disable the two lines that have "deb cdrom:..."
 :-D
[11:11] <korgans> did what y asked brother
[11:11] <draik> you ain't kidding
[11:11] <korgans> whats is next
[11:11] <Jucato> try installing vlc now
[11:11] <intelikey> korgans your sources.list is all messed up.   you don't have any "main"  or  "main-restrected"   if you comment out the cd     let me paste you a line or two.
[11:11] <Jucato> intelikey: he/she does have main and restricted
[11:11] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> intelikey: he/she does have main and restricted...
[11:12] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> it's below his "universe multiverse"
[11:12] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:12] <Jucato> err
[11:12] <Jucato> I sit corrected
[11:12] <Jucato> sorry intelikey...
[11:13] <intelikey> np
[11:13] <korgans> now im confused
[11:13] <Jucato> korgans: you already have the "deb cdrom" lines disabled right?
[11:13] <draik> why is nobody in #comedy? I need amusement
[11:13] <korgans> yes
[11:13] <Jucato> korgans: ok next
[11:14] <Jucato> you have these two lines at the top. make this line "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[11:14] <Jucato> look like this: "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:14] <Jucato> and the 2nd line "deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse"
[11:15] <intelikey> korgans you should edit that file and put those three lines in it.  or make your look like those.     sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  and correct the problem  then do an sudo apt-get update     and you will be all fixed.    (close adept first.)
[11:15] <Jucato> like this; "deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse"
[11:16] <intelikey> Jucato you install much source packages, or expect korgans too ?
[11:16] <intelikey> not that it matters.
[11:16] <intelikey> :)
[11:16] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. just editing what's already there...
[11:17] <intelikey> go ahead you are doing fine.  i'll stay out of the way.
[11:17] <Jucato> intelikey: nah, you go ahead, I'm trying to finish something else that I've supposed to have finished an hour ago
[11:18] <korgans> *korgands gone mad
[11:18] <korgans> to much info from different people :P
[11:18] <Jucato> that's why I'm keeping silent...
[11:19] <korgans> first 2 link is universe multiverse
[11:19] <intelikey> in 30 minutes my dl will be over and i'll quit lagging 20+ seconds.   and wont be so confusing.
[11:19] <korgans> second 2 link is restricted universe multiverse
[11:19] <korgans> ?
[11:19] <intelikey> add main restricted to that
[11:20] <intelikey> add main restricted to that first
[11:20] <intelikey> add "main restricted" to that first
[11:20] <korgans> ill resend ya a paste bin just to make sure ;)
[11:20] <intelikey> add "main " to that second
[11:21] <intelikey> just scroll up and re read what we have said.   i gave you three lines that sould bin in your sources.list.
[11:22] <intelikey> s/sould bin/should be/
[11:22] <korgans> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20003
[11:22] <korgans> brb
[11:23] <intelikey> looking.    don't forget my lag time.
[11:24] <korgans> hehe
[11:25] <intelikey> remove line 6 & 7   and add these two.
[11:25] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:25] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:26] <intelikey> no.
[11:26] <korgans> ?
[11:26] <korgans> no ?
[11:26] <intelikey> now you got me lost.
[11:27] <Jucato> intelikey: if I may suggest something...
[11:27] <Jucato> just modify his sources.list, paste it in pastebin so that he could just copy it...
[11:27] <intelikey> Jucato i just sent him my sources.list.
[11:28] <Jucato> I'm presuming you are using the same servers? (us.archive.ubuntu.com)?
[11:28] <intelikey> or tried too... looks like he's having trubble with the get.
[11:28] <korgans> yeah
[11:28] <Jucato> er.. pastebin?
[11:29] <intelikey> no generic server  no national.
[11:29] <intelikey> i'll pastebin it.
[11:29] <korgans> how bout i clear it out
[11:29] <korgans> and remake it forn dust
[11:29] <korgans> from *
[11:30] <intelikey> korgans good.
[11:30] <korgans> il add all the link from that p[aste bin :P
[11:30] <korgans> with a pastebin no interference
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[11:30] <intelikey> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:31] <intelikey> can't pastebin that.  it's more than 80 char/line
[11:31] <korgans> hehe
[11:31] <intelikey> it'll get turncated.
[11:31] <korgans> only 3 link i need ?
[11:32] <narvik86> try www.wklej.org
[11:32] <intelikey> yep
[11:32] <korgans> crossing finger
[11:33] <Hotwire> you can on www.pastebin.it intelikey
[11:33] <korgans> workined thx !!
[11:33] <korgans> worked thx
[11:33] <korgans> thx a lot
[11:33] <korgans> korgans kiss intelykey
[11:34] <Healot> love?
[11:34] <korgans> lol
[11:34] <draik> you saw it here first folks!
[11:35] <korgans> dont see vlc in my lauching pad how do i start it ?
[11:35] <korgans> :D
[11:35] <ubuntu> /whois $me
[11:35] <ubuntu> :(
[11:35] <intelikey> it should be in the menu someplace  but  [alt] +[f2]  type vlc
[11:36] <korgans> forget to apply change should see it now lol
[11:36] <rudiz> K-menu > Multimedia
[11:36] <Firetech> humm... kpersonalizer wants to start everytime I login to KDE (3.5.4). I tried to revert to my pre-update backup of my ~/.kde, but after changing the stuff I had changed since  then (trivial stuff: new splash screen and wallpaper, and configured Crystal) it was back again...
[11:36] <korgans> thx all just forget to click the magic button ;)
[11:38] <intelikey> rudiz yeah i have vlc in menu > multimedia > vlc    i also have it in  menu > debian > apps > viewers
[11:39] <korgans> humm still dont see it in multimedia section grr
[11:40] <intelikey> control alter backspace
[11:40] <korgans> ok why my mp3 dont work but my aci file does ?
[11:40] <draik> Finally done with this crazy winxp machine
[11:40] <korgans> Avi *
[11:40] <Healot> hey come out and play
[11:40] <intelikey> alter control backspace
[11:41] <korgans> ok
[11:41] <korgans> ;)
[11:41] <korgans> thx a lot
[11:41] <Healot> I have this weird feeling that this P4 3.02 GHz is slower than my AMD Athlon XP 64-bit 2800+
[11:41] <intelikey> korgans i wasn't telling you to do that
[11:42] <korgans> lol
[11:43] <Healot> the RAM size is the same 512MB... except for this damned Novell Zen :-
[11:43] <korgans> I hate novell
[11:43] <intelikey> nosuid
[11:44] <intelikey> novell zen ?
[11:44] <intelikey> eats ram ?
[11:45] <Healot> yeah think so... plus this hogging OfficeScan, thanks this isn't my PC :-)
[11:46] <korgans> Hey intelikey  owe ya my life
[11:46] <korgans> lol
[11:46] <korgans> everything working well
[11:46] <intelikey> owe me nada.
[11:46] <korgans> hehe
[11:46] <intelikey> owe me  d'nada
[11:46] <korgans> Noe ime to attck cedega :P
[11:46] <korgans> now
[11:47] <korgans> I get rid of windows xp today
[11:47] <korgans> And happy with it :P
[11:47] <intelikey> i have like "67108864" 8 bit bytes of ram...   wow.
[11:48] <intelikey> sounds like a lot that way
[11:48] <intelikey> that's 64 meg  so you don't have to do the math
[11:50] <intelikey> and this system runs at just over 100000000 cycles per second.    wow !
[11:51] <korgans> ok someone know how to install Cedega by any chance ?
[11:51] <magical_trevsky> hi, I'm having trouble installing the non-free codecs following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[11:51] <intelikey> that sounds faster than .1ghz  don't it.
[11:51] <Four23619> 100 Mhz?
[11:51] <magical_trevsky> I get E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[11:51] <Healot> !multiverse
[11:51] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:52] <CVirus> !easysource
[11:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:52] <intelikey> Four23619 yessir.   100mhz 64m ran  no swap kde and all.
[11:52] <intelikey> installed on a 610m hdd
[11:52] <Four23619> whats KDE run like on that system?
[11:53] <intelikey> pretty good.  as long as you don't open more than three windows  or try to run oo.o  or gimp
[11:54] <Four23619> still, not too bad
[11:54] <Four23619> much better than what WinXP could do
[11:54] <Healot> sounds like Windows XP Starter Edition
[11:54] <intelikey> kpaint is ok   as long as the file is not too big.
[11:55] <intelikey> and vlc in the console  i can watch avi's flawlessly.
[11:55] <Four23619> Linux can scale easy, compared to the bloat that is Windows
[11:56] <intelikey> but not while kde is running.   i can with twm tho.
[11:56] <intelikey> twm weighs like next to nothing.
[11:56] <intelikey> 600k foot print in ram   or there about.
[11:57] <Four23619> im thinking of trying the lightweight window managers sometime
[11:57] <Four23619> though... i like KDE
[11:57] <Healot> still Linux kernel is monolithic... great for static hardware config :)
[11:58] <intelikey> oh and the gfx card is an old s3 pci with 2m of on board and no shared ram.
[11:58] <intelikey> i like kde to.   and it's not realy that heavy.  gnome is harder on that box than kde is.
[11:59] <Four23619> oh?
[11:59] <Four23619> hmm
[11:59] <Four23619> i would have though the oppisite, maybe
[11:59] <Four23619> just everyone is always saying how 'slim' Gnome is etc
[12:00] <intelikey> yeah i get told that a lot.   but the proff is in the pudding.
[12:00] <korgans> i used gnome and i cans ay that kde is way better
[12:00] <korgans> All gnome base interface gived me prob
[12:01] <intelikey> korgans i can say the same.  but that is just openion.  and we all have them.  but they don't all agree.  :)
[12:01] <Four23619> cant wait for KDE 4
[12:01] <korgans> heh true
[12:01] <korgans> hey intelikey can ia sk for one more thing ?
[12:01] <korgans> can you help me with my cedega instal ?
[12:01] <korgans> file name look like this
[12:01] <intelikey> Four23619 i'm of the old school.  if it aint broke, don't fix it.   new software don't instrest me much.
[12:01] <korgans> cedega-engine-5.2.4-local-update.i386.cpkg
[12:02] <korgans> As long as somthing working why update it
[12:02] <korgans> toytally aggreed with intellikey
[12:02] <intelikey> cpkg ?
[12:02] <korgans> yup
[12:02] <intelikey> url you got that from ?
[12:03] <korgans> humm actually get it form the back door :P
[12:04] <magical_trevsky> hi, I'm trying to adjust the clock on my system, and after I put in my password, I get an error saying 'conversation with su failed'.. any ideas?
[12:04] <jott> korgans: you need to install the base package first
[12:04] <korgans> ?
[12:04] <jott> korgans: the installed cedega gui lets you install this cpkg
[12:04] <korgans> oh ok
[12:05] <jott> they offer deb's for download...
[12:06] <korgans> any link ?
[12:06] <Jucato> KDE 4...
[12:06] <jott> korgans: uhm its commercial so you have to pay for it
[12:06] <Four23619> indeed
[12:06] <Four23619> KDE 4 sounds awesome
[12:06] <korgans> My main objective is to gte eve online running on linux
[12:06] <korgans> get
[12:06] <korgans> Abd fully working
[12:06] <jott> korgans: only way around is a custom build from their svn repository.. but its missing some features..
[12:07] <korgans> and where do i find it ?
[12:07] <jott> korgans: so easiest (legal) way is to buy a subscription and get theier binary packages as they are very easy to use and install
[12:08] <korgans> i was ythinking bout wine but eve online buggy on it
[12:08] <korgans> hehe ill try the demo then :P
[12:09] <jott> korgans: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO%20Cedega%20CVS maybe this helps...
[12:11] <Jucato> go go go intelikey!!
[12:11] <intelikey> !ati
[12:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:17] <draik> intelikey, would you be able to explain "piping" to me?
[12:17] <Jucato> !pipe
[12:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about pipe - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:17] <intelikey> what gives.   'wall'  doesn't broadcast to X anymore....
[12:17] <Jucato> !|
[12:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about | - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:17] <draik> <command A> <options A> | <command B> <options B>
[12:18] <Healot> i prefer potting :)
[12:18] <draik> very well, Healot, can you explain potting to me?
[12:19] <Jucato> lol
[12:19] <CVirus> draik: FGI
[12:19] <intelikey> draik any app that can read stdin  can be piped to   for and example of how it works try this   type  echo '   and hit the return.   then add some lines of text starting one if them with #  then   ' | grep '#'
[12:19] <Jucato> pipe = smoking; pot = smoking pot
[12:19] <Healot> hehe
[12:19] <Healot> even Linux can relate to drug abuse ;-
[12:20] <CVirus> yeah .. and n00bz spoon feeding too
[12:20] <CVirus> :-p
[12:20] <intelikey> draik the output of the echo command will then be piped into 'grep' and it in turn will filter everything that has no # in it.
[12:20] <draik> Jucato, remember.. piping something is different than piping someone!
[12:20] <korgans> lol
[12:20] <Jucato> lol! wasn't my idea
[12:20] <korgans> hey guys thx again good nite'
[12:20] <korgans> late here
[12:20] <korgans> 6 am
[12:20] <korgans> didnt sleep yet :P
[12:20] <korgans> time for me to say goodbye
[12:21] <korgans> hehe
[12:21] <CVirus> its 1:20pm and I havet slept yet too :-p
[12:21] <korgans> thx again
[12:22] <intelikey> draik a pipe is simular to a redirect in many ways.   echo 'bob' > file    and it will make a new file called file containing the word bob        while  echo bob | file    would  pipe the word bob to the app 'file' which if a file named bob existed in the $PWD it would report on that file.
[12:24] <Healot> | << binary or
[12:25] <draik> I'm still trying to work out the echo part
[12:25] <Healot> & << binary AND
[12:28] <intelikey> draik the reason for all the examples is to show the basics of piping and redirecting.   here is a prcaticle use example;    apt-cache show $( dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 ) > long.list        that would create a file named long.list in the $PWD that contains the package information for each and every installed package on your system.   but omit anything broked or removed or not installed.
[12:29] <intelikey>  apt-cache show $( dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 ) > long.list
[12:29] <intelikey> what's to get dizzie about ?
[12:29] <Jucato> trying to decipher it
[12:29] <Jucato> I'm not that familiar with the grep command
[12:29] <ricardo> does somebody uses conky? can somebody explain what linkstatus means? (besides the obvious "the link status for wireless connections")
[12:30] <intelikey> it runs apt-cache show on the out put of the $( command )
[12:31] <draik> Holy dingleberry bush buttman, That's alot of shiite installed
[12:32] <Jucato> lol
[12:33] <intelikey> within the $( )   dpkg -l  lists all installed packages broken or otherwise    piping it to  grep -e ^ii   will filter out any line not starting with  ii    piping it to  cut -d' ' -f3   will use the space char as a delimiter and output the third field  i.e. what ever is between space 2 and 3    which will be the package names.
[12:33] <Jucato> last count, I have 1469 packages installed
[12:33] <draik> It's 335am-ish... I have to be up in 2.5 hours... Thank you all for your help, laughs and /etc.
[12:34] <Jucato> sure! see you around
[12:34] <Jucato> or in 2.5 hours... :-D
[12:34] <intelikey> Jucato dpkg -l | wc -l
[12:34] <draik> Good night Jucato
[12:34] <draik> Thank you intelikey
[12:34] <intelikey> actually minus three i think
[12:34] <Jucato> word count... @_@
[12:34] <intelikey> yep -l lines
[12:35] <draik> Goodnight Healot
[12:35] <Jucato> er.. something's not right..
[12:35] <Healot> good night
[12:35] <intelikey> i have 1020 installed according to that  but it's really 1017
[12:35] <Jucato> dpkg says I have 1481 packages installed (even if -3, that still 1478
[12:36] <Jucato> but Adept says it's 1469
[12:36] <Jucato> Adept and Synaptic say 1469
[12:36] <intelikey> some may not be ii  you can add the grep of the first example.
[12:37] <Jucato> ah that's more like it
[12:37] <Jucato> "dpkg -l | grep -e '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 | wc -l"
[12:37] <Jucato> wonder what the other 9-12 packages are...
[12:38] <CAP9153> hi people
[12:38] <intelikey> the cut is useless there
[12:38] <Jucato> hi CAP9153
[12:38] <CAP9153> i have some problem with kubuntu
[12:38] <Jucato> intelikey: ehehe! i just copied and pasted...
[12:38] <CAP9153> i tried to installa XGL
[12:38] <CAP9153> and now it hangs on startup
[12:39] <CAP9153> someway to go back?
[12:39] <intelikey>  dpkg -l | grep -ve '^ii'| wc -l   <<< that would reveal the error to adjust by.   and     dpkg -l | grep -ve '^ii'     would explain why.
[12:39] <jott> the "wc -l" is also useless ;)
[12:39] <jott> use -c
[12:39] <jott> on grep
[12:40] <intelikey> jott not if all you want is the number     oh with the grep yes... but it didn't start with a grep in it.
[12:40] <jott> intelikey: always funny: http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/~era/unix/award.html ;)
[12:40] <intelikey> and the lesson was on using pipes and practical application of them.
[12:41] <Jucato> :-D
[12:41] <Jucato> the most useless example of piping I could think of: "echo $HOME | cat" :-P
[12:42] <intelikey> add a | tr [A-Z]  [a-z]    to the end of that and you have it.
[12:43] <Jucato> lol
[12:43] <intelikey> lol
[12:43] <intelikey> :)
[12:43] <Jucato> --help is ever so helpful...
[12:44] <intelikey> echo $((1024*32))
[12:44] <intelikey> bash math
[12:44] <Jucato> lol I have an easier way to output that... Alt+Space (Katapult) or Alt+F2...
[12:45] <Jucato> what would happen if you made a division by 0 in bash?
[12:45] <intelikey> it errors out
[12:45] <Jucato> whew
[12:45] <Jucato> thought it would crash
[12:45] <Jucato> lol
[12:45] <intelikey> echo $((1/0))
[12:45] <intelikey> -bash: 1/0: division by 0 (error token is "0")
[12:45] <jott> it crashes the linux kernel ;p
[12:45] <Hagus> I would like to use Yahoo Messenger in kubuntu.  Does anyone have it installed on their kubuntu already?
[12:46] <Jucato> Hagus: have you tried Kopete?
[12:46] <Healot> bash is good at math
[12:46] <Hagus> Yes - it does not let me into Chatrooms.
[12:46] <Jucato> hmm..
[12:46] <Pupeno> that's why I use Jabber.
[12:47] <Hagus> Only person to person but not into irc-style rooms
[12:47] <Hagus> Does jabber let you into chatrooms?
[12:47] <Jucato> but wouldn't Jabber only be useful if the people you will be talking to are also using Jabber?
[12:48] <intelikey> Jucato don't let them talk you int running something like this   echo ` :(){ :|:& }; : `     <<<< on the surface it looks hareless.  do be taken in by it.   the backward quote mark '`' means execute
[12:48] <Hagus> From Windows, I can chat in rooms and voice chat there.
[12:48] <Healot> i miss japan 1 on yahoo! chat
[12:48] <intelikey> s/do/don't/
[12:48] <Jucato> intelikey: and s/int/into
[12:48] <Jucato> :-D
[12:48] <Jucato> thanks for the warning
[12:49] <Jucato> how about the (echo ') command? (no quotes)
[12:50] <Jucato> s/quotes/parenthesis
[12:50] <intelikey> just starts a multiline echo
[12:50] <intelikey> echo '
[12:50] <intelikey> these lines
[12:50] <Jucato> how do I exit from it? Ctrl+C only?
[12:50] <intelikey> '
[12:50] <intelikey> like that ^
[12:50] <intelikey> '
[12:51] <Jucato> ooh
[12:51] <Jucato> thanks!
[12:51] <intelikey> same as    echo "
[12:51] <intelikey> this one
[12:51] <intelikey> "
[12:51] <intelikey> you can set verables that way too
[12:51] <intelikey> BLAH="a
[12:51] <intelikey> b
[12:51] <intelikey> v
[12:51] <intelikey> "
[12:52] <Jucato> "Welcome to intelikey's BASH 101 class. if you have questions, please /msg intelikey and your questions will be put n a queue for the end of the class"
[12:52] <intelikey> ehco $BLAH
[12:52] <intelikey> p
[12:52] <intelikey> b
[12:52] <intelikey> v
[12:52] <jott> oh and '' is not ""
[12:52] <jott> '' will not escape while "" does
[12:52] <intelikey> jott no but they are growing closer togathere all the time.
[12:53] <jott> sure just to make it clear ;)
[12:53] <Jucato> er.... how do I delete BLAH now?
[12:53] <jott> like echo '$PATH' vs. echo "$PATH"
[12:53] <intelikey> BLAH=
[12:53] <Jucato> ehehe
[12:53] <intelikey> or unset BLAH
[12:53] <Jucato> I really need to do more BLAH reading
[12:53] <Jucato> err...
[12:53] <Jucato> s/BLAH/BASH
[12:54] <intelikey> jott try  echo '#!/bin/sh'
[12:54] <jott> so what? ;)
[12:55] <Jucato> thank goodness for logs! I can keep these as my notes! :-D
[12:55] <intelikey> so in eariler versions of bash you could do that without it inturpreting it.
[12:55] <Jucato> so if anything happens to my system when executing those commands, I know who to hunt down :-D
[12:56] <intelikey> lol
[12:56] <intelikey> Jucato heres what i think of that.    perl -e '$??s:;s:s;;$?::s;;=] =>%-{<-|}<&|`{;;y; -/:-@[-`{-};`-{~" -;;s;;$_;see'
[12:57] <jott> oh didn't we mention: target of todays class is how to delete ones home directory ;)
[12:57] <Jucato> lol
[12:57] <intelikey> that will do it   ^
[12:57] <Jucato> I'm definitely not going to execute that intelikey :-D
[12:57] <intelikey> ah it just wipes out ~
[12:57] <intelikey> no real damage.
[12:57] <Jucato> bwahaha
[12:57] <Jucato> oh.. it's not real damage
[12:57] <Jucato> it's only virtual damage
[12:58] <intelikey> lol
[12:58] <Jucato> and I'm just typing virtual text
[12:58] <Jucato> in a virtual room
[12:58] <intelikey> no just a full reset to like it was when you first installed.
[12:58] <Jucato> intelikey: noooo! I spent hours getting everything the way I just like it
[12:58] <Jucato>  @_@
[12:59] <Jucato> rawr
[12:59] <pascal_> How come the incons in the statusbar is one line instead of two lines of icons when I upgrade to the new kde?
[12:59] <intelikey> then don't run that one   ^
[12:59] <Jucato> pascal_: right-click on the panel > COnfigure panel > set size to Custom, then 48
[12:59] <jott> don't run anything you do not understand ;)
[01:00] <intelikey> 48    yuch,  only with auto hiding.
[01:00] <Jucato> it's weird that KDE 3.5.2 and below would allow 2 rows of icons in the system tray using the Normal size
[01:00] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't have panels... unless I go to the top and bottom edges. :-D
[01:00] <intelikey> jott ah if you don't care about ~   most things that are 'mal' are no big deal.
[01:01] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 thinks Normal size is too small to accomodate two rows of icons...
[01:01] <intelikey> like i said only with autohiding.
[01:01] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you mean "only with autohiding"?
[01:01] <jott> intelikey: sure but ~ sometimes has important stuff in it ;) .. imagine stealing your .ssh dir when you use public key authentification ;)
[01:02] <intelikey> jott imagine not using public keys
[01:02] <jott> intelikey: i can't thats beyond my imagination ;)
[01:03] <intelikey> ;/
[01:03] <intelikey> well i think i just left,  i better run see if it was me...
[01:03] <Jucato>  @_@
[01:03] <Jucato> time for me to leave as well
[01:03] <Jucato> I'm getting hungry
[01:04] <Jucato> ^_^
[01:04] <jott> me too ;)
[01:04] <Jucato> bye!! be back in about 1-2 hours. hehehe!
[01:05] <ninHer> hi all
[01:07] <pascal_> jucato wow, that is strange. How come it changed when I made it smaller?
[01:08] <pascal_> jucato Anyway it works perfect now, thanks
[01:11] <intelikey> hey jott are you the one that pointed me to that page of 'useless use of'  ?
[01:12] <intelikey> jott ?
[01:13] <intelikey> the writer of the page is not as smart as he/she thinks.   look at the   useless use of ls *   section.
[01:15] <intelikey> all i can say about it is.    BUZZZ! wrong answer.     ls *  !=  echo *    and   ls *  !=  *       very very different.
[01:16] <intelikey> extreemely different.
[01:25] <vauteh> hello everybody
[01:26] <vauteh> i have a stupid problem. i created a network folder with knetattach and it worked and is nice, but _how_ do i remove it? it is in system:/remote - right clicking there is no remove or something.
[01:28] <kOpter> Yello :) Is there anyway to edit the system menu?
[01:28] <kOpter> I want to add a place...
[01:30] <shadeofgrey> hello everyone.  would someone please point me in the direction of information as to how i set global keybnoard shortcuts for launching specific applications and what not?
[01:31] <no0tic> hi, how to set up a wpa wlan connection under kubuntu dapper?
[01:31] <shadeofgrey> im a very physiocally handicapped individual and can only move one arm and hand.. i type with three fingers on my left hand and was only successful at using regular ubuntu because it was so easy to saet keyboard sjhorcuts for everythig i needed to foi
[01:31] <paines> shadeofgrey, right klick on the K in the menu and put a keyboard short cut for the specific kommand
[01:31] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: go to systemn settings -> networking
[01:32] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, k
[01:33] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, I can't find wpa settings
[01:35] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: go tyo the main k menu
[01:35] <shadeofgrey> then select the line that says system settikngs
[01:35] <Bazzi_> Riddell: are you there?
[01:35] <hagus> Can anyone tell me how to go about doing what the following warning tells me?
[01:35] <hagus> Please ask your administrator to remove the xpti.dat from the
[01:35] <hagus>       components directory of the Mozilla or Netscape browser.
[01:36] <shadeofgrey> then - the third section of options doiwn from the top has a iconm that readscolnnerctionms and network settings almost right next to each other
[01:36] <shadeofgrey> thats where you'lkl find what you need.
[01:36] <Riddell> Bazzi_: hi
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> no0tic: if that doesnt help you i highly recommend that you google "kubuntu forums" and "kubuntu wiki"
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> they both have tons of information that many of the peoplr here dont have the time to into with you in depth becayuse we're allworking
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> remember its a weekjday
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> and its early
[01:37] <shadeofgrey> lots of the good support people domnt even get up or anything until after the sun sets
[01:38] <Bazzi_> Riddell: can you tell me why the gnome updates are in dapper-updates but your kde 3.5.4/koffice etc packages are not? and neither in backports?
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> im only up this early because i had to stayup all nmight.
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> all ther really good coders users and testers are all half vampire
[01:38] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, :D here are 1 PM :)
[01:38] <shadeofgrey> except they drink cola and chocolate milk rather than blood
[01:39] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, np
[01:39] <no0tic> shadeofgrey, searchin'
[01:39] <Riddell> Bazzi_: backports isn't functioning.  the criteria for dapper-updates is very strict and there's been some regressions with the KDE updates such that I didn't want to put them into updates
[01:39] <hagus> shadeofgrey: how do I remove xpti.dat from the components directory of my Firefox browser?
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> og hey
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> no:  i juyst found exactly what your looking for
[01:39] <Bazzi_> Riddell: oh, ok (updates) and why is backports not functioning? :(
[01:39] <shadeofgrey> right click on the kicon that opens up the main menu
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> click onm menu editor
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> then open up the area that says "Intrernet applications" from the list and then select wireless lan manager and assign it a custom keyboard shortcut
[01:40] <Riddell> Bazzi_: soyuz doesn't support it, it's very frustrating
[01:40] <hagus> I cannot see menu editor
[01:41] <Bazzi_> Riddell: hmm :( ok thanks then.
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  my suggestioon would be to open konkeror -- then go to view, and then select show hidden files and folderds -- then navigarte to the directory holding firefocx and look fior it that way.  itys a .dat file which means its most likely hidden by default so that you cant delete it without workingh really hard to do it - because if its a dat its really important and coulkd conceivably break your firefix insyallation
[01:42] <hagus> It was when I installed the Flash Player that the warning came up.
[01:46] <ubuntu> hello
[01:50] <shadeofgrey> okay gutys how do i set keyboard shortcuts for the session lock and system shutdown buttons?
[01:50] <hagus> thanks - your suggestion worked perfectly for me, shadeofgrey :)
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  your more than welcome
[01:51] <hagus> As you will have realised from my question to you earlier, I am a complete newbie to linux :)
[01:51] <kOpter> Yello :) Still working on the System menu.. I added a link to /usr/share/apps/systemview , which works, but when i click it, it tries to open system:/mylink
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  all i assdk is that for every time i help you that you take the time to help someone elsw
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> hagus: we're all on the same team and i feel that theres only one way to treat friends - and thatsd like family..
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> so whenever you have the opportunity help somebody else out and thwen encourage them to do the same.  we're all in it together. y'know?
[01:52] <hagus> That really is a good outlook, shadeofgrey :)
[01:53] <shadeofgrey> hagus:  its the only worthwhile outlok in my opinion.  if everybvody took five minutes out of the day to help somebodfy then everybody would learn one thing every day and we'd be able to get more and more people to realize that theres life beyond windows
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> and that admitting you use microsoft tedchnologies is the fiurst step toward a full recoverty
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> ill be riyght back everybody
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> i just took four purgocets and want nicotine real bad
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> ill be riyght back
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> hagus - if you need anything else send me a private message and ill help you when i get back from my date with lkung cancwer
[01:56] <kOpter> shadeofgrey > Just add a keyb shortcut to the menu-item
[01:57] <_fernando> ciao a tutti
[02:01] <Dasnipa`> how do you reconfigure your sound card driver when you install a new sc?
[02:08] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[02:08] <Jucato> howdy!
[02:08] <Jucato> pretty silent here :-D
[02:08] <Hobbsee> just a bit, yeah
[02:09] <Dasnipa`> how do you reconfigure your sound card driver when you install a new sc?
[02:09] <Jucato> probably good... it means less people having Kubuntu problems..
[02:09] <lhds> hellooo guys guys i have a apci problem and when i boot i have a bios bug my tv card doesnt read in dmesg with apci=off in grub and without it ... do you advise me to download and compile the latest kernel from kernel.org? will that solve things?
[02:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, stillm trying get rid of wine since non of the programs I want to use it with can run the required DLLs ...may as well just dump it...if I can
[02:10] <h3sp4wn> lhds: Have you installed the latest bios update ?
[02:10] <fariborz> hallo
[02:10] <fariborz> hi all
[02:11] <fariborz> anyone able to help me?
[02:11] <h3sp4wn> lhds: Compiling any kernel later than 2.6.16 on dapper will give you problems but you could try that
[02:12] <fariborz> is someone there who can help me regarding installation of vmplayer in kubuntu?
[02:13] <BluesKaj> I think it's listed in the non supported repos like automatix, fariborz
[02:14] <BluesKaj> maybe easyubuntu
[02:14] <fariborz> and what  does mean that?
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> !info vmplayer
[02:14] <ubotu> Package vmplayer does not exist in dapper
[02:14] <Jucato> !info vmware-player
[02:14] <ubotu> vmware-player: Free virtual machine player from VMware. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.1-4 (dapper), package size 11563 kB, installed size 31248 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[02:14] <fariborz> oh it exists
[02:14] <fariborz> exatly
[02:14] <Jucato> you have to enable multiverse in your repository
[02:14] <fariborz> i have downloaded it but during the installation it hangs
[02:14] <fariborz> i have done it jucato
[02:14] <Jucato> hmm..
[02:15] <h3sp4wn> You need to build the kernel module (if there is no precompiled on there)
[02:15] <BluesKaj> are you sure you mean vmpalyer and not mplayer fariborz
[02:15] <fariborz> after downloading the vmware-player it starts with the installation
[02:15] <fariborz> yes i am sure
[02:15] <BluesKaj> ok
[02:15] <BluesKaj> why not use mplayer in kubuntu ?
[02:16] <fariborz> and then it appears a window where i have to accept the term of licenses. its like a terminal within dapper
[02:16] <fariborz> but whenever i  press return nothing happens
[02:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: huh?
[02:16] <fariborz> the same ok appeared during installation of lilo and i could hit return
[02:17] <BluesKaj> why bother with vmware at all if yer gonna run mplayer?
[02:17] <fariborz> i dont know mplayer.
[02:17] <fariborz> what is this?
[02:17] <Jucato> BluesKaj: he never mentioned anything about mplayer
[02:17] <Jucato> fariborz: how about trying to install it within Konsole?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> isn't it the same thing ?
[02:18] <fariborz> maybe i have to do this ur right
[02:18] <fariborz> do i have to download the packate from vmware website directly?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> wow , confusing
[02:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: vmware-player = VMWare Player, sort of like VMWare Server and VMWare Workstation
[02:19] <fariborz> blueskaj i done know any program  called mplayer
[02:19] <jott> thats a bug in adept as it seems
[02:19] <fariborz> i think so jott
[02:19] <fariborz> i have tried it several time. each time the same problem
[02:19] <lhds> can i get bios information version and technical info from within linux prompt?
[02:19] <jott> just use aptitude / apt-get
[02:19] <BluesKaj> OK gotcha Jucato..
[02:19] <fariborz> whats this ??
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> That problem doesn't affect aptituede (sudo aptitude install vmware-player)
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> you may need sudo dpkg --configure vmware-player
[02:20] <jott> fariborz: maybe you could write a bug report...
[02:21] <fariborz> so u mean "sudo  dpkg -i and then the name of the package?
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jott: The same problems exists with java (I am sure it is already known)
[02:21] <Jucato> fariborz: no. sudo apt-get install vmware-player
[02:21] <jott> h3sp4wn: hm ok probably..
[02:21] <jott> h3sp4wn: never used adept so far ;)
[02:21] <h3sp4wn> jott: I don't have it installed
[02:22] <fariborz> you mean the install is a parameter
[02:22] <fariborz> vmware-player should be the name of a file ?
[02:22] <Jucato> it's the name of the VMWare Player package
[02:23] <lhds> guys get the vmware workstation 4.3 and search for the serial in astalavista.box.sk it just works
[02:23] <fariborz> the vmware player package do i have to download it ?
[02:24] <Jucato> fariborz: no. apt-get will do that for your. apt-get is the command line equivalent of Adept
[02:24] <lhds> go to vmware website register email to download and download the 40 mb bz2 file with the install notes documentation its a 4 mb pdf file
[02:25] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install vmware-player is the same as installing it through Adept
[02:25] <h3sp4wn> Or use cmware server (that is free)
[02:25] <lhds> jucato whats the player? it differs from the workstation?
[02:25] <jott> lhds: you can't create a new vm
[02:25] <Jucato> lhds: yep
[02:25] <jott> lhds: but load/run existing ones
[02:26] <Jucato> lhds: the player is just a playah! :-D
[02:26] <lhds> erm can i reinstall ubunto over an existing install without loosing dir architecture and private files?
[02:26] <fariborz> ok  its going
[02:26] <fariborz> its doing something
[02:27] <Jucato> fariborz: it will download, then install
[02:27] <fariborz> y i think so
[02:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, still trying get rid of "wine" since none of the programs I want to use it with can run the required DLLs ...may as well just dump it...if I can ...but I don't know what commands to use since it resides in the debian folder in the k-menu ..HELP!
[02:27] <fariborz> its searching for probien unused private subnet
[02:28] <fariborz> module vmnet was not loaded. program aborted
[02:29] <Jucato> ....
[02:30] <fariborz> :(
[02:30] <Jucato> i'm stumped
[02:31] <BluesKaj> well the Jucato, how do I get rid of wine?
[02:32] <fariborz> blue how can i do that?
[02:32] <Jucato> BluesKaj: AFAIK... just remove/uninstall wine, then delete everything in the ~/.wine directory :-D
[02:32] <Jucato> then delete the K Menu entries for Wine Programs
[02:32] <Jucato> messy, but effective...
[02:33] <fariborz> and it is enough to just install the wine?
[02:33] <Jucato> fariborz: he's asking about UNinstalling wine
[02:34] <fariborz> i mean if i install wine. can i then use windows program on my laptop?
[02:34] <Jucato> fariborz: not all.
[02:35] <fariborz> do i need additional libraries or is it   enough only the installation from adept?
[02:35] <Jucato> http://appdb.winehq.org/ <--- has some of the things you can run in Wine
[02:35] <Jucato> fariborz: it depends. some Windows programs would run in Wine without the need to copy/install DLLs. Some do
[02:36] <Jucato> it's a hit and miss thing I think
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah , like nero
[02:39] <BluesKaj> it won't run , unless you set up a fake registry for the dlls
[02:39] <fariborz> how can i do it?
[02:39] <BluesKaj> finally got tovid to work so nero isn't needed anylonger
[02:40] <BluesKaj> dunno fariborz, beyond me
[02:40] <fariborz> lol
[02:40] <vursitis> does anyone know the command to stop the GUI in KDE?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> vursitis: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[02:40] <vursitis> thankyou
[02:40] <Jucato> vursitis: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace would also restart the GUI
[02:40] <vursitis> ah, much quicker
[02:41] <Hobbsee> true
[02:43] <fariborz> so i have installed wine
[02:43] <fariborz> i think i have to reboot until i get any menuitem
[02:44] <Jucato> fariborz: no
[02:44] <fariborz> oh
[02:44] <fariborz> so why i dont see any   menue item for wine?
[02:44] <Jucato> you won't get a menu item for Wine itself
[02:44] <fariborz> oh
[02:45] <djclue917> fariborz: why do you need one?
[02:45] <Jucato> when you install a Windows program using Wine, that's the time that a menu entry will be added for that program you installed
[02:45] <Jucato> you use wine either from the command line with "wine windows_app.exe" or by right-clicking on the .exe file, choosing "Open With.." then typing in "wine"
[02:46] <fariborz> oh
[02:46] <fariborz> i could start wincomander
[02:46] <fariborz> huhu
[02:47] <fariborz> can i also start windows explorer?
[02:47] <Jucato> um.. no?
[02:47] <fariborz> :(
[02:47] <fariborz> why not?
[02:47] <Jucato> 'cause windows explorer would probably need Windows itself?
[02:48] <Jucato> I don't think windows explorer could be downloaded/installed separately from Windows
[02:48] <fariborz> no way
[02:48] <fariborz> it did work
[02:48] <fariborz> i have startet windows explorer
[02:48] <Jucato> oh?
[02:48] <fariborz> oh no
[02:48] <fariborz> it startet winfile
[02:48] <fariborz> its the old one isnt it?
[02:49] <lhds>  when i make usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-26-386$ sudo make menuconfig  what can i do to write the changes to kernel?
[02:57] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[03:01] <jontydog> hi all having problems with Kaffeine there is no sound in dvb
[03:03] <jontydog> lol never mind fixed it after a reboot
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> okay guys i need help herwe
[03:06] <shadeofgrey> something has happened to the main tool bar of my kontact installation
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> all i have now are the standard icons
[03:07] <lhds>  when  i compile i always get error 2  No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.  Stop.
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> and the file --> and other text based menu options have dissapeared and i cant get them back for some unknown reason
[03:07] <shadeofgrey> i even tried resetting the main toolbars to their defaulta and that didnt help either
[03:07] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: try Ctrl+M for the File Edit etc..
[03:09] <shadeofgrey> shiy i  lost the whole toolbar
[03:09] <shadeofgrey> y'know the ones with the seperate windows and such
[03:10] <ubuntu> hello
[03:10] <ubuntu> i downloaded kubuntu
[03:10] <ubuntu> but how do I install? :S
[03:10] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: separate windows?
[03:10] <fariborz> JUCATO IF I download a .rpm file. how can i install it?
[03:11] <ubuntu> erhmm
[03:11] <ubuntu> I booted the cd and am In kde now
[03:12] <Jucato> ubuntu: there's supposed to be an icon on your desktop for installing Kubuntu
[03:12] <waylandbill> ubuntu, there should be an icon on the desktop to start the installer
[03:12] <ubuntu> no there i snot
[03:12] <ubuntu> i got some errors
[03:12] <ubuntu> when kde started
[03:12] <Jucato> what errors?
[03:12] <ubuntu> shall i logout?
[03:12] <ubuntu> something about trash ?!?
[03:12] <waylandbill> can you be more specific on the erros
[03:12] <ubuntu> i just pressed ok... let me logout
[03:13] <fariborz> what can i do with a .rpm file?
[03:13] <Jucato> fariborz: I'm not sure about installing an .rpm file, but I think you need to install a package called "alien" before you could do anything with it
[03:14] <fariborz> oh . thanks
[03:14] <waylandbill> fariborz, kpackage can install it using rpm if that is what you are trying to do with it.
[03:14] <shadeofgrey> okay guys
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> i totrally lost the part of my top panel that allows me to select different desktops
[03:15] <shadeofgrey> how doi i get al that back?
[03:15] <Jucato> ooh that one?
[03:15] <fariborz> do i have kpackage in kubuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: right-click on panel > Add Applet to Panel > look for Desktop Pager something
[03:16] <waylandbill> fariborz, it's in a repository if not. I generally look for deb package if availble first before an rpm though.
[03:18] <dilg> hi everyone,i have a problem with amarok`s xine engine,could anyone pls tell me wahts requested for amarok?
[03:18] <waylandbill> using rpm's generally means finding dependencies manually. not bad sometimes, but a pain for a program with tons of em.
[03:19] <Jucato> fariborz: what are you trying to install with an .rpm btw?
[03:20] <fariborz> i have downloaded the vmware-player from its website. and it is a .rpm file
[03:21] <Jucato> fariborz: try looking for a .deb instead
[03:21] <waylandbill> fariborz, that's in the universe or multiverse
[03:21] <Jucato> waylandbill: multiverse actually, but he seems to have some problems about a vmnet module?
[03:22] <waylandbill> oh.. the virtual network driver. :-/
[03:22] <jott> installing vmware by hand can be even more problematic if you don't know what you are doing...
[03:22] <fariborz> i  have tried it. but it didnt work
[03:22] <jott> fariborz: try apt-get reinstall vmware-player
[03:27] <fariborz> jucato how does this alien work?
[03:28] <jontydog> hi can someone recommend a good ftp server program like Serv-u?
[03:29] <jott> fariborz: basically it extracts a package of one type and repacks it to another type
[03:30] <jott> fariborz: but  i bet you will fail with vmware-player as the rpm postinst scripts will probably not work with ubuntu
[03:30] <fariborz> probably
[03:31] <fariborz> so what should i do to get this tamn vmplayer running?
[03:31] <waylandbill> the right course is to find the problem with the module really
[03:31] <jott> so the deb *should* work on a regular setup
[03:31] <jott> the vmware-player deb installed from repository
[03:31] <jott> (worked fine here at least ;)
[03:31] <fariborz> u mean from adept clicking on vmplayer and selecting install?
[03:32] <jott> nono do NOT use adept
[03:32] <jott> adept seems to be broken crap
[03:32] <fariborz> what else?
[03:32] <jott> use shell and aptitude
[03:32] <jott> its kind of "evolved"...
[03:32] <waylandbill> i've not had trouble with adept. I generally use apt-get directly though.
[03:32] <jott> yeah either apt-get or aptitude
[03:33] <fariborz> hm. how should i use aptitude?
[03:34] <jott> either with its ncurses based interface (maybe a bit strange at first) or just with command line arguments
[03:34] <jott> like "aptitude install packaganem"
[03:35] <mike_> To install vmplayer, have you not been able to do that with Kmenu -> System ->Add/Remove Programs ?
[03:35] <waylandbill> my favorite of aptitude is the option to "play minesweeper".. :-D
[03:35] <jott> mike_: no adept is horribly broken as it seems
[03:35] <jott> mike_: it can't show dialogs from the dpkg installer
[03:35] <jott> mike_: well show but not interact with it
[03:35] <mike_> ahhh, so then command line, sudo apt-get install vmplayer ?
[03:36] <jott> right..
[03:36] <jott> or vmware-player or what's the package valled
[03:36] <jott> called
[03:36] <waylandbill> jott: for licensing? no wonder I never noticed.
[03:36] <jott> waylandbill: yes and other confirmations as it seems
[03:36] <mike_> Yes, I just did a apt-cache search.... vmware-player is the package name.
[03:37] <waylandbill> mike_: yup. in the multiverse.
[03:37] <jott> fariborz: so open kosole and write "sudo apt-get install vmware-player"
[03:38] <waylandbill> I wonder if adept was run in a terminal if it would handle the dpkg dialogs.
[03:38] <waylandbill> :-)
[03:39] <jott> waylandbill: no ;) as the dialogs are shown in a libkonsole widget but you can't interact with them..
[03:39] <waylandbill> :-/
[03:39] <jontydog> is there a program similar to serv u for kubuntu?
[03:39] <fariborz> jott i hwve done
[03:39] <fariborz> but it doesnt work
[03:40] <jott> was there an error message?
[03:40] <waylandbill> jontydog, there's quite a few choices. Look for "ftpd" packages.
[03:40] <jontydog> cheers wayland bill
[03:41] <fariborz> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "start" failed.
[03:41] <fariborz> Starting VMware services:
[03:41] <fariborz>    Virtual machine monitor                                            failed
[03:42] <fariborz>    Virtual ethernet                                                   failed
[03:42] <fariborz> Module vmnet is not loaded.  Please verify that it is loaded before
[03:42] <fariborz> running this script.
[03:42] <Jucato> er.. !paste
[03:42] <Jucato> !paste
[03:42] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:43] <waylandbill> vmnet doesn't need to be modprobe'd does it?
[03:43] <octan> how do i install pkg i have downloded?
[03:43] <octan> dpkg?
[03:43] <jott> waylandbill: it actually needs but the script *should* handle this ;)
[03:44] <jott> fariborz: do you use a custom kernel?
[03:44] <waylandbill> if he does, he needs to build the module to match it from the sources.
[03:45] <octan> do i use dpkg -i pkg?
[03:45] <jott> octan: yes you can do it this way
[03:45] <waylandbill> octan, yes and -r to remove it later
[03:45] <octan> ok thx
[03:47] <matlec> hi
[03:51] <octan> if i make an extra panel. and dont use the hole width of the desktop.. ther is some space left at each corner. "i have centered the panel" however, at the space i cant have icons, if i try to place icons ther the automaticly moves down below the panel. eventho theres free space there. how can i fix this?
[03:52] <Lynucs_Newbie> Hello; does the Kubuntu 6.06 iso start in english or german?
[03:54] <octan> does anyone know what i mean?
[03:56] <eeos> doe anyone know where to find slmodemd sourc, to attempt to compile and if possibe to package it for AMD 64 (kubuntu 6.06)
[03:57] <eeos> ?
[04:00] <jott> eeos: apt-get source? ;)
[04:00] <eeos> jott: wait
[04:01] <eeos> jott. it did not work till now
[04:02] <eeos> jott: it does not work
[04:02] <jott> hm "apt-get source sl-modem-daemon" works here..
[04:02] <jott> don't what pkg you need though ;)
[04:02] <jott> just "tabbed" ;)
[04:03] <eeos> are you on amd64?
[04:03] <jott> no
[04:03] <eeos> ah
[04:03] <jott> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/misc/sl-modem-daemon
[04:03] <BluesKaj> Tried everything iknow to get rid of Wine ...but it sticks in the k-menu under debian like shit to a blanket..it's pretty useless to me !
[04:03] <eeos> ach!  I started using kubuntu very recently, coming from rpm distributions
[04:06] <jott> and third the command you can use to build
[04:06] <jott> just go to the dir and run dpkg-buildpackage ...
[04:06] <jott> after you have installed all the -dev packages you need
[04:08] <eeos> jott:ok, wait
[04:09] <LC0> anyone has tried to install libsdl-image-dev package recently? looks like some dependencies are not in the repository
[04:10] <visik7> still unable to play this stream http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/aug/wwdc_2006/m_wwdc_2006_350_ref.mov any clue ?
[04:10] <jott> eeos: basically dpkg uses the files in debian/ in your source dir to control the build process... so take a closer look at them...
[04:10] <shadeofgrey> okay guyts i have another question
[04:10] <jott> eeos: package version is derived from debian/changelog
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> how do i add an applet to my panels that shows me my network connectivity -- so that i can see when packets are being shuttled back and forth whikle im doing stuff online?
[04:11] <visik7> !restricted
[04:11] <eeos> jott: that is great
[04:11] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:11] <eeos> jott: it is running now
[04:11] <eeos> jott: exit with erro 1 first then error 2  :-(
[04:12] <BluesKaj> so, anyone know how to get rid of wine ? ...i've tried uninstalling from synaptic and deleting in the k-menu..all that stuff , nothing works
[04:12] <Jucato> BluesKaj: what do you mean by "nothing works"?
[04:13] <BluesKaj> It won't go away Jucato
[04:13] <jott> eeos: so from this point on you are in the "usual" how to get it compile "chain" ;)
[04:13] <Jucato> which one? wine itself? the k menu entries for wine programs? or the wine directory?
[04:14] <eeos> jott: so I can pass to dpkg-buildpackage the usual options?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> In my k-menu wine is in the debian folder
[04:14] <BluesKaj> I guess that would be the directory?
[04:15] <Jucato> BluesKaj: but wine is already uninstalled? there's just a menu entry for it that's remainin?
[04:15] <jott> eeos: no check the debian dir
[04:15] <BluesKaj> why doesn't it leave the menu then ?
[04:16] <eeos> jott: wait
[04:16] <eeos> jott: I am there, I do not understand it :-D
[04:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: try deleting the menu entry manually (right-click on the menu > Edit this Menu Item)
[04:17] <BluesKaj> did that
[04:17] <jott> eeos: :(
[04:18] <BluesKaj> Jucato,  Wine still shows winzip and nero in it's program file
[04:18] <jott> eeos: you could pastebin your dpkg-buildpackge output so maybe someone can help
[04:18] <eeos> jott: what should be there?
[04:19] <Jucato> BluesKaj: let me get this straight: you have a "Wine" entry in K Menu > Debian > Wine, then winzip and nero are in K Menu > Wine > Programs?
[04:19] <jott> eeos: well the normal ./configure && make stuff and some dh_... calls
[04:19] <eeos> jott: ah!
[04:19] <damian_> who the hell would want winzip and nero
[04:19] <jott> eeos: or an errormessage if something fails ;)
[04:19] <damian_> nero is bloatware and winzip is ancient
[04:20] <eeos> jott: so I can run the usual procedure inside that directory, without using dpkg-buildpackage
[04:20] <eeos> ?
[04:20] <jott> eeos: then you would end up in the normal "binary output" of the source packge
[04:21] <jott> eeos: but not a deb package that would have an entry into your installed package  db
[04:21] <jott> eeos: the dpkg-buildpackage should run trough and create ../blabla-x.y.deb
[04:22] <eeos> jott: it did not! shall I run compilation by hand?
[04:22] <supernix> Just read an E-week report stating that Ubuntu was better than SLED 10
[04:23] <jott> eeos: if you like.. should also work but having installed it as a deb package is more consistent..
[04:23] <jott> eeos: whats the error dpkg-buildpackage gives? it runs fine here...
[04:24] <eeos> jott: error 1 and then error 2
[04:24] <jott> with this sl-modem thing..
[04:24] <jott> eeos: well.. more detailed ;)
[04:24] <eeos> jott: keep in mindo I am on amd 64 with an alsa modem !
[04:25] <jott> eeos: well the crash when you modprobed a module is another issue ;p
[04:25] <Healot> alsa modem?
[04:25] <jott> but maybe the sources are not 64bit compliant
[04:26] <eeos> jott: I am rerunning it
[04:27] <eeos> jott: I have the error here.
[04:27] <eeos> jott: How do I past it?
[04:28] <jott> !paste
[04:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:28] <eeos> jott: ta
[04:28] <eeos> jott: just sent
[04:30] <jott> eeos: paste the url you got ;)
[04:30] <jott> ah got it
[04:30] <eeos> jott: blimey, just closed the window
[04:30] <eeos> jott: ah, good
[04:30] <jott> eeos: erm sorry can't help you there ... :/ looks like you have to modify the source
[04:31] <eeos> jott: aaaaarghhhh!
[04:31] <jott> eeos: just try normal ./configure && make and when you got it running you can try to use dpkg-buildpackage again.. :/
[04:32] <eeos> jott: thanks, I will look into it. I hope it is enough to midify the makefile to support alsa modems
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> where would i find a list of the best email clients available for kde? i need something robust that can handle at least 15   seperate accounts
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> would i have to install all of gnome just to use evolution mail?
[04:41] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: kmail is KDE's e-mail client
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> yeah but it sucks
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> arent thee any other options?
[04:41] <Jucato> you can also just use Thunderbird?
[04:41] <Healot> YOU need a mail server, hhaha
[04:41] <shadeofgrey> thunderbird doesnt do well with multiple accounts
[04:42] <Jucato> well evolution I guess...
[04:42] <Jucato> no other GUI e-mail clients I know of...
[04:42] <shadeofgrey> is it possible to run evolutionnwithout having to install all of gnome?  or is your gut feeling that things would get messed up if i used that
[04:42] <Healot> tried Microsoft Outlook yet, hehe, kidding
[04:43] <Jucato> shadeofgrey: it will only install the basic GNOME libraries it needs. not the whole GNOME desktop
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> okay the im going to try that
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> the thig i font like about kmail is the way it handles word wraopping in composition windowd
[04:43] <shadeofgrey> with wordwrap on i get 78 characters to a line
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> thats ridiculous
[04:44] <Jucato> even if you resize the window?
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> yes
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> therews a place to specifyu wordwrap options but only allows a max of 78 "columns"
[04:44] <Jucato> hm... I'm not really familiar with the nuances of e-mail clients... I just write them and send @_@
[04:44] <shadeofgrey> which i found out the hard way really means characters
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> what mail client do you use?
[04:45] <_marcellus_> Hi!
[04:45] <Jucato> kmail... but I didn't really notice that word wrapping thing...
[04:45] <Jucato> let me try it...
[04:45] <shadeofgrey> havent you notive how narrow it is?
[04:46] <_marcellus_> is it possible to replace kwin with an other wm?
[04:46] <Jucato> err... something's strange...
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> what?
[04:46] <GBK> anyone know how I can open a .pst file in linux?
[04:46] <Jucato> do you mean that when you type in 79 characters, it word wraps to the next row?
[04:47] <Jucato> oh i see what you mean...
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> im sayting taht it only allows   78 characters to a line before   it goes to the nesxt lime and starts over
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> and what im wondering is.. wouldnt taht look REALLY weird totyhe rest of the world?
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> hang on im going to mail myself and see how it looks
[04:48] <Jucato> ok.. I'm thinking it won't look like that once they receive it..
[04:48] <Jucato> I think it only controls the way you see it being typed.
[04:49] <Jucato> hey claydoh!
[04:50] <_marcellus_> again: is it possible to replace kwin with an other wm?
[04:50] <claydoh> yo Jucato
[04:50] <jott> shadeofgrey: i guess they try to follow http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2646.html ;)
[04:50] <Jucato> _marcellus_: if you just wan't to use a different WM momentarily, and not make it as the default, you can just install the new WM, then a new session will be added to your login menu, allowing you to log in to a session with that WM
[04:51] <_marcellus_> dont kwnow wheather we mean the same:
[04:51] <_marcellus_> i want the windows to have other decoration, etc
[04:51] <_marcellus_> but i want to stay at kde
[04:52] <Jucato> _marcellus_: ok, then you're not talking about using a different window manager
[04:52] <Jucato> you're talking about using a different window decoration?
[04:52] <excitatory> GBK: i doubt you can.. isn't that photoshop or illustrator or some similar adobe proprietary file format?
[04:52] <Jucato> what's .PST anyway?
[04:53] <_marcellus_> for example is it possible to run the compiz cgwd on non xgl-sessions
[04:53] <Jucato> claydoh: which KDE dev were you able to talk to about my question?
[04:53] <Jucato> oh ok.. so you really are talking about window managers.. @_@
[04:54] <claydoh> J it was crimsun, hewas the only one around when I was on
[04:54] <Jucato> just like I said, if you install a new window manager, for example Fluxbox, you will be able to choose to log into a Fluxbox session (Fluxbox using KDE)
[04:54] <GBK> excitatory: nope that's an MSOutlook archive format
[04:54] <claydoh> dialup sux :(
[04:54] <djclue917> _marcellus_: why would you want to do that?
[04:54] <Jucato> claydoh: oh...
[04:54] <claydoh> but go to #kubuntu-devel
[04:54] <Jucato> _marcellus_: but AFAIK, compiz won't work without XGL...
[04:55] <_marcellus_> djclue917: just to see wheather it is possible and mybe stay at cgwd
[04:55] <djclue917> _marcellus_: yeah, Compiz exists because of Xgl.
[04:55] <claydoh> all the big dogs hang it there :)
[04:55] <Jucato> claydoh: ehehe! I might be answered with some "geeky" stuff I might not understand... and I would look like a total idiot...
[04:55] <claydoh> no, you wont
[04:55] <_marcellus_> Jucat: so cgwd depends on compiz?
[04:55] <claydoh> they are great folks, really
[04:56] <Jucato> _marcellus_: AFAIK, yes. and Compiz depends on XGL
[04:56] <_marcellus_> okay, thank you!
[04:56] <Jucato> claydoh: how do they take noobs asking technical questions.. :_D
[04:57] <h3sp4wn> _marcellus_: What video card are you using ?
[04:57] <Jucato> well, my question wasn't that technical anyway...
[04:57] <claydoh> well they try to answer, but obviously will refer to #kubuntu / #ubuntu as neeeded
[04:57] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: he's gone...
[04:57] <Jucato> yeah, I thought so...
[04:58] <claydoh> and your question *is*  something they can best answer imo
[04:58] <Jucato> but I'm scared of possibly stirring up a fight here so I  didn't ask here :-D
[04:58] <claydoh> no, you won't start a fight
[04:58] <Jucato> I'm still thinking of just letting my curiousity about it die... it might not be something I'm supposed to know/find out/learn anyway...
[04:59] <Jucato> and it's probably just a front for a little jealousy over GNOME/Ubuntu... :-D
[05:00] <claydoh> lol
[05:01] <Jucato> but now another "jealous feeling" is brewing... but this time towards MEPIS... :-p
[05:01] <Jucato> I am soooo bad... >:)
[05:01] <claydoh> b ut if you are curious, simply ask, you are very good with words imnsho, so I doubt you will come across as bashing/flaming/etc
[05:02] <Kronos> I'm back.
[05:03] <Jucato> I'll try asking tomorrow. I worded my questions in a way suitable to a forum post. I might have to re-word it for IRC...
[05:03] <Jucato> or just e-mail one of them, probably Jonathan RIddell...
[05:03] <Jucato> wb Kr4t05
[05:04] <claydoh> ya, he's the guy who can answer, its his repo :)
[05:04] <Jucato> it's his fault!! rawr!!! lol!!
[05:05] <Jucato> btw, has anyone heard any development about the Amarok 1.4.1 - FLAC - Xine problem?
[05:07] <excitatory> Jucato: well, you should really ask in #amarok, but i believe it was long fixed, and the devs will probably tell you to grab the latest xine.
[05:07] <Jucato> excitatory: oh. so they won't be making a fix available in our repos?
[05:07] <excitatory> well, that's more of a kubuntu thing.
[05:08] <Riddell> Jucato: hmm?
[05:08] <Jucato> Riddell: oops.. didn't mean to disturb you...
[05:08] <excitatory> i gave up on the kubuntu builds.. it's far easier and quicker to just compile from svn..plus then you get more customisation.
[05:09] <Jucato> Riddell: I was just wondering a few days ago why KDE 3.5.4 wasn't included in the Dapper upgrades repository, but GNOME 2.14.3 was.
[05:09] <XeXo2> Hi i am compiling firefox and i was wondering how i would set it up so that two firefox installations can be installed simultaneously so that i can switch between them using update-alternatives?
[05:10] <djclue917> XeXo2: what specific version are you compiling?
[05:11] <Riddell> Jucato: 3.5.4 had enough problems that I didn't want to put it in -updates.  also manpower issues.  also we have more freedom if it just goes on kubuntu.org
[05:11] <djclue917> Jucato: KDE updates has never been included in dapper-updates...
[05:11] <XeXo2> djclue917: Minefield
[05:12] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Why not just use the binaries of minefield ?
[05:12] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: I like to compile stuff myself
[05:12] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: and i want to learn how to set this up
[05:12] <djclue917> XeXo2: oh.. ok. i think you could install firefox in another directory so as not to disturb the one previously installed
[05:13] <Jucato> Riddell: oh I see. so it will always be like that? will they ever be put into dapper-backports? And lastly, is the Kubuntu release for KDE 3.5.4 an official KDE release? someone mentioned that it was just experimental or unofficial. Thanks!
[05:13] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: It takes ages to compile firefox
[05:14] <Jucato> s/KDE release/Kubuntu release
[05:14] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: I know done it lots of times, but this time i want to know to to set a program up with update-alternatives and firefox seems like the ideal candidate
[05:14] <Jucato> Riddell:  s/KDE release/Kubuntu release
[05:15] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, it's official Kubuntu (since I make it)
[05:15] <Riddell> dapper-backports isn't working and shows no signs of changing
[05:15] <XeXo2> djclue917: But how do i set it up so that update-alternatives allows me to switch between the default firefox and my version?
[05:16] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: You need to build a proper package in that case - debhelper has the hooks for update-alternatives
[05:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning all...  ANyone here work with the help docs, I need to have someone edit the dial-up page...
[05:18] <Jucato> Riddell: oh I see. Someone from MEPIS mentioned that KDE 3.5.4 would eventually make its way into Backports, which I thought was strange, because it didn't happen in Breezy before, and not with KDE 3.5.3 in Dapper. Anyway, thanks for your time! Sorry for having to bother you with my questions. Really grateful! ^_^
[05:19] <djclue917> Jucato: I doubt that since the backports people would be shouldering a lot of additional work (considering the size of KDE) if that were the case..
[05:20] <Jucato> djclue917: I guess so. Anyway, Dapper backports are totally empty last time I checked (a few hours ago)
[05:23] <ubuser> ...uhhh...kde
[05:25] <Riddell> Jucato: backports is the best place for it, but backports is non-functional and has been for some time so we can't use it
[05:27] <Jucato> Riddell: oh, I guess that explains why it's empyt. ^_^ Thanks again!
[05:28] <satempler> Eft should have some sort of VPN wizards one for client one for server (server ncuses or script based)
[05:31] <_Shade_> hi
[05:31] <Jucato> hi
[05:31] <pingun> hi jucato
[05:31] <_Shade_> i can't install cedega on ubuntu dapper. It gives me an error message
[05:32] <_Shade_> the package requires an xlibs installed but i have only xlibs-dev in the repos
[05:33] <h3sp4wn> satempler: openvpn is pretty easy to setup anyway - ipsec is not that bad unless you are trying to interoperate with windows client (and trying to not buy the software you need to make it easy)
[05:33] <ErikTheRed> _Shade_: have you tried talking to the Cedega people? I've heard they're pretty good at helping their customers
[05:33] <satempler> right
[05:34] <satempler> but still wizards or druids is good for the new user
[05:34] <thomas> hey homies
[05:34] <_Shade_> ErikTheRed: i havent done it yet
[05:34] <thomas> this is great here
[05:34] <thomas> i hate chats
[05:34] <satempler> i will even take a front end configuration tool
[05:35] <ErikTheRed> Shade: have you enabled all of the repos in your sources.list
[05:35] <satempler> any one know the state of tv-out on the ATI binary drivers
[05:37] <satempler> any one know why the security.ubuntu.com is so slow
[05:37] <Arkkis> I'm trying to use dual monitors on kubuntu, and when I boot it up, the right screen is 1600*1200 alright, but the viewport is smaller. So when I move the mouse around the screen scrolls with it
[05:37] <Arkkis> an user here told me to comment out "virtual screen" option
[05:38] <Arkkis> and I tought that I could find it in xorg.conf, but I could not
[05:38] <Arkkis> where can I find it?
[05:40] <Jucato> Arkkis: acutally, I think the label is "Virtual" only. in Section "Screen", SubSection "Display"
[05:40] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: Where can i get info in debhelper and making this deb?
[05:41] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Debian packaging guide
[05:41] <Arkkis> Jucato, there's no such setting in my xorg.conf
[05:42] <Jucato> anything starting with "Virtual"??
[05:42] <Arkkis> oh, and I also noticed that the actual screen is bigger than 1600*1200 on my righthand monitor, it just shows 1600*1200 area of it
[05:42] <Arkkis> Jucato, no, nothing with irtual in it on the file
[05:42] <marek_> hello
[05:42] <Jucato> hmm... that's strange...
[05:43] <marek_> did someone solve tv out problem with radeon video card?
[05:43] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn: is this it? http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[05:43] <satempler> marek_:  I belive it only works with the binary drivers
[05:43] <Arkkis> Jucato, yep, it's really strange
[05:44] <satempler> marek_: i am trying to find out my self
[05:44] <djclue917> XeXo2: there's a brief package guide in the Kubuntu docs
[05:44] <Jucato> try removing any resolution that is higher than the resolution that you want (1600x2000?). remember to backup your xorg.conf ^_^
[05:44] <marek_> why they just not relise som sort of software?
[05:45] <Arkkis> Jucato, ok
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> XeXo2: Yep - That should tell you enough to make the package - then find out how to do update-alternatives by looking at another package that uses it
[05:46] <Ash-Fox> marek_, tv out works with my radeon mobility M6 ly.
[05:46] <hagus> Good evening :)
[05:47] <vigilant_> good evening all :)
[05:47] <marek_> i have radeon 9550 vith tv out and i see crap on tv
[05:47] <vigilant_> my second day of kubuntu and still in love :D
[05:47] <XeXo2> h3sp4wn and djclue917: thanks i'll give it a try, i'm trying to find the docs
[05:47] <hagus> I can no longer run my adept program - it tells me to run apt-setup or apt-get-update but these are not found :(
[05:47] <marek_> if some one have solved this kind of porblrm om me
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:47] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[05:47] <Jucato> rawr! h3sp4wn beat me to it
[05:47] <Jucato>  @_@
[05:48] <marek_> i love ubuntu but some things just make me angry
[05:49] <hagus> it reports to me depnedcy problems related to ymessenger
[05:49] <satempler> marek_: same here
[05:49] <hagus> I tried installing ymessenger but it did not go where it ought to have gone
[05:50] <satempler> marek_: but it's not linux fault  its ATI's fault
[05:50] <hagus> I just used the actions choice in the menu to install it
[05:50] <satempler> if they opened up there drivers then it would be easyer
[05:50] <hagus> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[05:50] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.13.0); however:
[05:50] <hagus>   Package libgdk-pixbuf2 is not installed.
[05:50] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0); however:
[05:50] <hagus>   Package libglib1.2 is not installed.
[05:50] <Jucato> satempler: a rumor is going around... ATI might just do that, thanks to the AMD-ATI merger...
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.0); however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package libgtk1.2 is not installed.
[05:51] <satempler> hagus: why not use kopete or gaim
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger depends on xlibs (>> 3.3.6); however:
[05:51] <hagus>   Package xlibs is not installed.
[05:51] <satempler> Jucato: hope so
[05:51] <hagus> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--configure):
[05:51] <hagus>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[05:51] <hagus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:51] <hagus>  ymessenger
[05:51] <satempler> hagus try pastebin
[05:51] <hagus> That was what came up h3sp4wn :)
[05:51] <hagus> I have decided to stick with windows for ymessenger for the time being but I want to stick with linux for other things.
[05:52] <hagus> gaim and kopete do not let me into irc-style chatrooms on yahoo, satempler :)
[05:52] <satempler> oh
[05:52] <satempler> they used to
[05:52] <Ash-Fox> hagus, wait a sec
[05:53] <hagus> pastebin?
[05:53] <h3sp4wn> hagus: where did you get the deb for ymessenger from ?
[05:53] <Ash-Fox> hagus, tried bitlbee? http://www.bitlbee.org/
[05:53] <hagus> from yahoo
[05:53] <hagus> no I have not As
[05:53] <hagus> Ash-Fox:  even
[05:54] <hagus> click
[05:55] <satempler> is there a way to quiry a package to find out what it would install
[05:56] <Jucato> satempler: without starting Adept?
[05:56] <satempler> using the apt-get command
[05:56] <satempler> Jucato: yes
[05:56] <Jucato> I think apt-get has a command to let you "simulate" an installation...
[05:57] <satempler> ok i  will look it up on man
[05:57] <Jucato> or do you want to see the dependencies of a package, whether they will be installed or are already installed?
[05:57] <ubuntu> hi, I have problem: "GRUB: Error 17"
[05:58] <djclue917> ubuntu: problem with MBR...
[05:58] <satempler> Seveas has a ubuntu-multimedia-kde meta package i want to see what it installs
[05:58] <ubuntu> yes
[05:58] <ubuntu> acctualy, I fixed partition order with fdisk, then changed fstab and mtab and menu.lst
[05:59] <ubuntu> how to resolve problem from a boot cd
[05:59] <Jucato> satempler: you can use Konqueror, enter "apt:/" in the location bar
[05:59] <djclue917> sudo grub-install /dev/<HDD here>
[05:59] <satempler> ok
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> hagus: xlibs doesn't exist in ubuntu dapper - you can remove it with sudo dpkg -r ymessenger
[05:59] <djclue917> ubuntu: sudo grub-install /dev/<HDD here>
[06:00] <hagus> ty h3sp4wn :)
[06:01] <vigilant_> how do i install a package manually again?
[06:01] <vigilant_> instead of from adept
[06:01] <ubuntu> djclue917 : this is output now:
[06:01] <ubuntu> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[06:01] <ubuntu> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[06:01] <vigilant_> cus adept hates me
[06:01] <vigilant_> :)
[06:01] <vigilant_> today
[06:01] <ubuntu> djclue917, it's output of "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[06:01] <djclue917> ubuntu: did you make a separate /boot partition?
[06:01] <ubuntu> no
[06:01] <Jucato> vigilant_: sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[06:01] <djclue917> ubuntu: SATA hard drive?
[06:01] <vigilant_> cool
[06:02] <vigilant_> thanks jucato
[06:02] <vigilant_> :)
[06:02] <ubuntu> djclue917 yes
[06:02] <Jucato> what problem did you have with Adept?
[06:02] <ubuntu> djclue917: I have /dev/sda3 for linux
[06:02] <hagus> That seems to have removed the ymessenger but when I try to run adept from konsole, here is what comes up:
[06:02] <hagus> Failed to open device
[06:02] <vigilant_> jucato: just the java thing that wants confirmation before installing so adept freezes and doesnt allow me to install anything anymore since there is a program running that is using the database and it is not called adept in the ctrl-esc window
[06:03] <hagus> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:03] <hagus>   Major opcode:  144
[06:03] <hagus>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:03] <hagus>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:03] <hagus> Failed to open device
[06:03] <hagus> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[06:03] <djclue917> ubuntu: you only need the device name
[06:03] <Jucato> hagus: next time you need to post a lot of lines, try this
[06:03] <Jucato> !paste
[06:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:03] <hagus> ty jucato :)
[06:03] <djclue917> ubuntu: what's the output of "sudo fdisk -l"?
[06:03] <Jucato> vigilant_: try running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" first
[06:03] <ubuntu> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes
[06:03] <ubuntu> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders
[06:03] <Jucato> vigilant_: then install java using apt
[06:03] <ubuntu> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:03] <ubuntu>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda1   *           1        2037    16357376+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda2            2037        3829    14399034+   b  W95 FAT32
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda3            3830        4772     7574647+  83  Linux
[06:03] <ubuntu> /dev/sda4            4773        4864      738990   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:04] <hagus> ah - i understand now both about pastebin and the flooding problem
[06:04] <vigilant_> juato: well there is an adept-notify i killed but it doesnt seem to work still
[06:04] <vigilant_> jucato: ok ill do that :)
[06:04] <Jucato> ubuntu: next time you need to paste a lot of lines, try using pastebin
[06:04] <djclue917> ubuntu: yeah, you might want to put that in the paste bin.. anyways..
[06:04] <Jucato> !paste
[06:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:04] <ubuntu> ok, sorry everyone
[06:04] <Jucato> vigilant_: nah, you can leave adept-notify. doesn't matter :-D
[06:04] <djclue917> ubuntu: "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" should really fix your problem...
[06:04] <Jucato> ubuntu: no problem. we were all beginners once.  I'll try to reboot
[06:05] <pingun> is there any way to prevent ubuntu textmode installer to write into the mbr but into rootartition or fd? (otherwise i will use an different distro where i can choose where to install grub)
[06:05] <djclue917> yeah, try that..
[06:05] <vigilant_> now i go: "sudo apt-get install" rite?
[06:06] <vigilant_> jucato: now i go: "sudo apt-get install" rite?
[06:06] <Jucato> vigilant_: yeah. sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[06:06] <vigilant_> cool
[06:07] <vigilant_> jucato: will u tell someone about the confirmation of acceptance of terms in the java package and that they should add support for accepting that in adept? :)
[06:08] <vigilant_> jucato: cus i dont know who to tell
[06:08] <vigilant_> or ask
[06:08] <vigilant_> something
[06:08] <Jucato> ehehe! It's a limitation of the terminal emulator in Adept. I think the developers are aware of it already
[06:09] <vigilant_> cool
[06:09] <djclue917> vigilan_: just use the terminal for installing software. ;-)
[06:09] <vigilant_> oki
[06:12] <metalero9_> hola
[06:13] <zered> hi everybody
[06:14] <Jucato> hi zere
[06:14] <ubuntu> djclue917, no luck
[06:15] <ubuntu> djclue917, I have working ubuntu installation under /dev/sda3
[06:15] <MetaMorfoziS> is there any program for kde taht like fraps?
[06:15] <djclue917> ubuntu: try to mount /dev/sda3
[06:16] <MetaMorfoziS> (fraps is a good screencapturing program for winshit)
[06:16] <satempler> can any one tell me how to get kopete to stop telling me about new hotmail email
[06:16] <ubuntu> ok - done, then?
[06:16] <djclue917> ubuntu: wait a sec.
[06:17] <hagus> !paste
[06:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:18] <djclue917> satempler: Settings -> Configure Notifications
[06:18] <andred> satempler: settings->configure notifications
[06:18] <andred> damn
[06:18] <andred> :)
[06:18] <andred> you won
[06:18] <djclue917> satempler: find the "New email has arrived in your MSN inbox"
[06:18] <zered> hi Jucato
[06:18] <satempler> cool thanks
[06:19] <hagus> I have !pasted the output from my konsole and wondered if anyone can help me solve the problem(s) indicated?
[06:19] <djclue917> ubuntu: "sudo grub-install --root-directory <mount point of /dev/sda3> /dev/sda"
[06:19] <exmethix> i have a problem installing the new ati driver
[06:20] <Jucato> hagus: you have to paste the link that pastebin gives you
[06:20] <exmethix> i did the second method
[06:20] <exmethix> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:20] <exmethix> here is the error
[06:20] <exmethix> http://rafb.net/paste/results/LUHbCC98.html
[06:21] <exmethix> i installed exactly 5 times. it is kubuntu dapper with full dist-upgrade
[06:21] <zered> someone knows how install driver ati on kubuntu ?
[06:21] <exmethix> fglrxinfo says mesa indirect
[06:21] <exmethix> anybody could help?
[06:22] <zered> Hi exmethix. Do you have probleme with ati too ?
[06:22] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20015   -  Would that be the link?  I am not sure where to look for it but that is the webpage at which the form appears.
[06:22] <ubuntu> djclue917, thanks. It seem it worked something on the HD. I'll try booting
[06:23] <exmethix> zered: no.... ati driver has no 3D accleration
[06:23] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you just run adept (it should automatically launch kdesu) sudo is only for commandline programs
[06:23] <hagus> ok ta :)
[06:24] <Jucato> hagus: yeah that's the link
[06:24] <zered> exmethix: yes I know. But I'm looking for have this acceleration. I have install xorg-server for fglrx and change driver in xorg.conf
[06:24] <h3sp4wn> hagus: if you run dpkg -C (it should list any currently broken packages)
[06:25] <XeXo2> Does anyone here play america's army?
[06:25] <hagus> ta again - I ran adept - it said it was loading but then disappeared.
[06:26] <hagus> It merely takes me to a new line when I type dpkg -C in konsole
[06:26] <exmethix> zered: try this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide
[06:27] <Jucato> hagus: did you try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"?
[06:27] <hagus> yes I did jucato - several times.
[06:27] <h3sp4wn> hagus: run sudo -i (and then) ps aux | grep adept | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill (followed by) ps aux | grep adept | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9
[06:28] <hagus> ok ty
[06:28] <zered> exmethix: thanx for that. I reboot. ;-)
[06:28] <h3sp4wn> then try loading adept again
[06:29] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: that's one heck of a line @_@
[06:30] <harmental> hi..does anybody know which repository should i add to have the latest version of conky?
[06:31] <reagleBRKLN> howdy, running dapper and latest updates and my gtk apps are misbehaving: displays of text (e.g., line in unison or pan) are truncated
[06:31] <sinppa_> Does edgy have KDE4 O_o ?
[06:31] <hagus> I typed in the stuff that you said, h3sp4wn, and then ran adept but again it came up on the task bar at the bottom with an eggtimer and after several seconds disappeared.
[06:32] <Jucato> sinppa_: nope. KDE 4 isn't even in beta I think
[06:32] <sinppa_> hmm, ok.
[06:32] <hagus> Maybe I should reboot?
[06:32] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try running sudo apt-get update (at the end of it see if it complains about a lock)
[06:32] <Jucato> it might also be a problem with the sources.list?
[06:33] <h3sp4wn> I think it would still run in that case (but I don't use it so I am not certain)
[06:33] <hagus> hagus@hagus-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[06:33] <hagus> E: Type http://user.sgic.fi/~tml/gimp/win32/ is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <Jucato> err... I guessed so :-D
[06:34] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list (the pastebin the contents)
[06:35] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: he might have trouble copying-pasting and getting out of vim :-D
[06:35] <hagus> !paste
[06:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:35] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: Its in the konsole if he is deleting full lines vim is the easiest way (If I give him the commands)
[06:36] <hagus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20016
[06:36] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: oh yeah... forgot you could highlight stuff in konsole! silly me
[06:36] <soulrider_> hey everyone
[06:37] <zered> exmethix: thanx for your help. It's ok !
[06:37] <Jucato> ok that's weird...
[06:37] <soulrider> are there any programmer who i can request help from here ?
[06:37] <exmethix> zered: what says fglrxinfo?
[06:38] <zered> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[06:38] <zered> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1)
[06:38] <zered> and ati panel is ok !!
[06:38] <exmethix> .... than you aso have no 3D accleration
[06:38] <exmethix> am i right?
[06:39] <zered> exmethix: I try with chromium. Wait please...
[06:40] <zered> exmethix: :-( it's soooo slow !
[06:41] <exmethix> zered: yes than you have the same problem as me
[06:41] <exmethix> zered: please do dmesg | grep fglrx
[06:41] <exmethix> whats the output?
[06:42] <hagus> What should I do now, h3sp4wn? :)
[06:42] <zered> nothing !! nada !! nichts !! rien !!
[06:42] <exmethix> zered: sprichst du deutsch?
[06:43] <hagus> I tried running adept again - this time the dialog box for the root passwd came up but then it beeped at me and disappeared again.
[06:43] <scast> Good Afternoon ^^
[06:43] <zered> exmethix: ein biessen ! I prefer english ou franais !
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sorry I didn't notice you had pasted it sorry
[06:43] <hagus> np
[06:43] <exmethix> zered: mmh
[06:43] <luis> who
[06:43] <luis> hallo
[06:43] <hagus> I do not seem to have apt even though I have adept - or am I mistaken there?
[06:44] <exmethix> zered: i am searching for this bug since yesterday evening
[06:44] <exmethix> zered: when i find a way to enable 3D Accleration on the new driver with kubuntu i will tell you
[06:45] <scast> Pandora kills my resources ^^
[06:45] <zered> exmethix: yes, thanx. I'm looking for too. I have installed headers and modules for my kernel
[06:45] <mossman>  Good day all. Anyone familure with kmail?  I would like to be able to click on a contact and see everye-mal sent or received by that contact? Anyone know if this is possible?
[06:46] <h3sp4wn> hagus: type - :q!
[06:46] <scast> !gimp
[06:46] <ubotu> An advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[06:46] <zered> I have a problem with smb4k. It seeme to mount my samba drie but the icon is erased few seconds after
[06:47] <hagus> bash: :q!: command not found
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> hagus: (there is about 3 commands to reset your sources to what you need) sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted multiverse universe > /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> hagus: no stop just run the first line (
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then sudo echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Then if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list (you should have just the 4 lines)
[06:50] <hagus> it said "Permission denied" when I ran the first line
[06:50] <hagus> Should I continue to type the stuff in?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> hagus: run sudo -i first
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> hagus: then the first line then the three with >>
[06:51] <brandon_> seems like KDE 3.5.4 is 10 tiems faster than previous versions in Ubuntu
[06:52] <damian_> is it really?
[06:53] <soulrider_> any porgrammers here?
[06:53] <fritsch> soulrider_: me can do haskell
[06:53] <fritsch> soulrider_: :-)
[06:53] <soulrider_> well, what i need is to learn how to do somehting
[06:53] <soulrider_> i can do it myself after that
[06:53] <soulrider_> i need an idea of how i can dow hat i wany
[06:54] <soulrider_> want*
[06:54] <fritsch> soulrider_: okay, what do you want?
[06:54] <soulrider_> maybe it would be better if we went to another channel :-/
[06:54] <soulrider_> #soulrider
[06:54] <damian_> has anyone tried xgl with kubuntu
[06:55] <hagus> just the four lines in sources.list :)
[06:55] <brandon_> damina_ seems like it
[06:55] <brandon_> damian_ seems like it
[06:55] <Dodger> damian_: i'm running it
[06:55] <Dodger> works great
[06:55] <hagus> h3sp4wn: just the four lines in sources.list :)
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> hagus: now try sudo apt-get update
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> hagus: Hopefully now it should not mention that win32 thing it failed at last time (then you can try adept)
[06:56] <SeicherlBoB> Hi there! Just tried to install Kubuntu Desktop on a laptop 2 times. After reboot it cant start cause the harddisk bootsector is invalid. (I made a /boot partition with ext2 and 50MB) Any suggestions?
[06:57] <hagus> It says "
[06:57] <hagus> Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release.gpg
[06:57] <hagus>   Connection failed
[06:57] <hagus> but it then goes on to access the other repositories
[06:57] <damian_> dodger: any big problems with xgl?
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> hagus: try starting it - apt-get update - then pressing control c straight away then running it again
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> hagus: I have that problem everytime where it doesn't work properly (but I thought it was because I was using wireless)
[06:59] <hagus> I have run adept and it open - hurray!
[06:59] <hagus> it opened
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> hagus: great :)
[06:59] <trappist> fonts sure are looking rough in 3.5.4
[06:59] <hagus> ty ty ty :)
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> hagus: You should have more applications available as a by product of rewriting the sources.list
[07:00] <hagus> Some of them could not connect apparently but now that I know what to do, I shall muck around to try again :)
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> hagus: You may want to do a full update (as you had the security repository disabled before)
[07:01] <excitatory> so, you know how kubuntu has customized konqueror profiles?  well, they were missing a feature i desired, and so i followed this: ( http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror ) which restores the original profiles back..which then fixed my problem, but now i have real trouble: any time a kio-slave, kicker quick browser icon, or anything that wants to open a new konqueror window tries to do this, nothing happens.  a window does not open.
[07:01] <excitatory> es manually, bu
[07:01] <hagus> ah ty, h3sp4wn :)
[07:02] <vandenoever> in the kubuntu installer, how can avoid choosing a mount point for every partition?
[07:02] <vandenoever> it seems to require that
[07:02] <ninHer> hi all
[07:02] <vandenoever> "No mount point selected for " ....
[07:02] <vandenoever> for most of my partitions
[07:03] <vandenoever> of course i can add /media/hda{x} fore each one but that's silly
[07:03] <vandenoever> i don't need to see those disks
[07:05] <vandenoever> and now it insists on formatting /dev/hda2, even though I've told it not to
[07:05] <SeicherlBoB> vandenoever: I also had less problems with the "classic" installer ;)
[07:06] <vandenoever> SeicherlBoB: is that still available?
[07:06] <SeicherlBoB> vandenoever: dont know.... guess not.
[07:06] <vandenoever> :-(
[07:06] <SeicherlBoB> My installer keeps failing to create the boot-sector. dont know why
[07:06] <vandenoever> every time i attemp kubuntu i'm turned off by some stuff like this...
[07:07] <vandenoever> i'd like to like kubuntu, but pff
[07:07] <vandenoever> doen't anybody partition their own drive anymore?
[07:07] <SeicherlBoB> yeah...
[07:08] <excitatory> the classic installer is still available, iirc
[07:08] <SeicherlBoB> will that create a working bootsector?
[07:09] <vandenoever> it's trying to format my hibernation partition as ext3 ...
[07:09] <vandenoever> silly
[07:09] <SeicherlBoB> is there a way to just create a new bootsector?
[07:09] <vandenoever> what's the classic installer called, can i call it from a livecd?
[07:10] <QMario> How can I print from a KUbuntu Printer Server on a Windows machine?
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: You either need the alterative cd or you can install with debootstrap
[07:10] <QMario> Sorry, let me rephrase.
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: (see the installing from knoppix howto)
[07:10] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: You can install debootstrap or cdebootstrap from the livecd
[07:10] <QMario> How can I print on a Windows machine from a KUbuntu Printer Server?
[07:11] <vandenoever> h3sp4wn: i've now told it my hibernation drive is a swap drive
[07:11] <vandenoever> it accepts that
[07:11] <vandenoever> phew
[07:11] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: That will probably trash it if it has certain things that need to be on it
[07:11] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: any ideas how i can fix my bootsector?
[07:11] <vandenoever> oh now it crashed
[07:11] <vandenoever> i better mkswap on it first then
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: What has happened to it ?
[07:13] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: I partitioned (hda1, /boot, etx2, 50MB; and others) and installed. after reboot the machine hangs telling me the bootsector is incvalid
[07:13] <draik> Hello everyone
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> h3sp4wn: serial ata disk ?
[07:13] <draik> QMario, you want to print from a winxp machine to a Kubuntu desktop connected to a printer?
[07:14] <QMario> Yes.
[07:14] <draik> easily done
[07:14] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn:  fuh... its an acer travelmate... donno, its not mine
[07:14] <QMario> Draik, how?
[07:14] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: 40GB Ultra ATA it says
[07:14] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: Have you tried the alternative installer ?
[07:14] <draik> QMario, have you installed the printer your Kubuntu desktop?
[07:14] <QMario> Yes.
[07:15] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: you mean not the desktop-edition but the other one?
[07:15] <QMario> It uses a driver provided by HPLIP.
[07:15] <draik> QMario, perfect, then we can get started with the editing
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> SeicherlBoB: Yes its a text based installer that actually works (alot more often)
[07:16] <vandenoever> oh by the way, is 5gb enough for kubunto + dev tools?
[07:16] <draik> QMario, open the Run Command (ALT+F2)
[07:16] <QMario> Okay.
[07:16] <SeicherlBoB> h3sp4wn: not yet, but i guess i will ;) thanks by now
[07:16] <QMario> Finished.
[07:17] <draik> QMario, type      sudo kate /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[07:17] <Lynoure> vandenoever: should be. But depends on dev tools, and on what all else you want there
[07:17] <vandenoever> kdelibs-dev, g++, valgrind, xerces, qt4
[07:17] <vandenoever> for strigi development
[07:17] <vandenoever> well, mainly testing
[07:17] <vandenoever> for kubunto
[07:17] <vandenoever> u
[07:18] <Lynoure> vandenoever: kubunto being something else than mispelled kubuntu?
[07:18] <QMario> Draik, cannot connect to X SErver.
[07:18] <vandenoever> Lynoure: my new superfork :-)
[07:18] <vandenoever> no, a typo
[07:18] <QMario> Draik, I will use pico instead. ;)
[07:18] <draik> ok
[07:19] <draik> I use kate by default, but you can use your favorite editor
[07:19] <Lynoure> vandenoever: You should be plenty fine with / of 5G. /homes always tend to bloat, though
[07:20] <QMario> Draik, okay we are here.
[07:20] <draik> ok
[07:20] <vandenoever> Lynoure: this one wont, it will be only for testing strigi and with test data
[07:20] <vandenoever> as far as the disk permits
[07:20] <vandenoever> i'm not going to compile kde4 or something
[07:20] <draik> QMario, down to about line 33, you have the first <Location /> tag
[07:22] <QMario> Draik, my first Location tag is on line 774.
[07:22] <gebruiker> hi
[07:24] <draik> QMario, line about it should read:               #Restrict acces to the server...
[07:24] <gebruiker> when I invoke: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it works, but when I modify /etc/hdparm.conf,(i.e enable command_line hdparm -d1 /dev/hda) it tells me: * Setting disc parameters...  * No disk enabled. Exiting...
[07:24] <draik> QMario, followed by          <Location />
[07:24] <draik> QMario, I meant the line ABOVE it
[07:24] <draik> sorry
[07:25] <QMario> Okay, I found that.
[07:25] <QMario> Line 827
[07:25] <lmodl> #kvaubuntu-h
[07:26] <draik> I only have 85 lines... oh well
[07:26] <draik> ok, so now you edit that paragraph
[07:26] <gebruiker> ???
[07:27] <draik> QMario, add a new line after Allow @LOCAL
[07:28] <draik> QMario, done?
[07:30] <QMario> Draik, yes.
[07:30] <draik> ok
[07:31] <draik> QMario, on that new line, type           Allow From <winxp.desktop.ip.addy>
[07:32] <QMario> Exactly, as you have typed.
[07:32] <draik> except that you have to modify it to have your winxp ip address
[07:32] <QMario> So I should not replace ip with anything?
[07:32] <draik> Allow From <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:33] <draik> or whatever your winxp ip address is
[07:34] <QMario> Draik, what if the IP Address is dynamic?
[07:34] <draik> that's fine
[07:34] <vigilant_> :)
[07:34] <draik> add what it is now
[07:35] <QMario> Draik, okay.
[07:35] <QMario> Finished.
[07:36] <draik> ok
[07:36] <draik> save the file
[07:36] <draik> Now open /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf
[07:36] <TheCobra> somebody know how to install a .run file?
[07:37] <DocTomoe> TheCobra: no need to install it
[07:38] <TheCobra> got my drivers for my videocard. it's in a  ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86.run
[07:38] <QMario> Draik, no such directory.
[07:39] <Surger> TheCobra: sh ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86.run
[07:39] <TheCobra> oh tnx surger
[07:39] <Surger> Probably need to do it with sudo
[07:39] <draik> nothing?              /etc/cups/cups.d/ports.conf
[07:39] <Surger> sudo sh ...
[07:40] <TheCobra> idd sudo super user needed :)
[07:40] <voicu> Hi, I installed gcc from adept and when I tried to compile a simple "Hello world!" program to test it I found out that iostream.h is not in the includes. I installed the kernel headers and found iostream.h in /usr/include/c++/4.0.3/backward. Is iostream.h not used anymore?
[07:41] <Surger> voicu: The headers changed
[07:41] <Surger> voicu: <iostream>
[07:41] <Surger> Not <iostream.h>
[07:41] <damian_> does anyone know how to get xgl working on kubuntu?
[07:41] <damian_> i cant find any good guides
[07:41] <voicu> Surger: I tried that because I had the same problem but that doesn't work either
[07:42] <nick_> does anyone know a good program for website building
[07:42] <vandenoever> nick_: quanta is reasonable
[07:42] <vandenoever> you want to write html, right?
[07:42] <e-Hernick> gvim is good.
[07:42] <nick_> yes
[07:43] <e-Hernick> I like BlueFish too
[07:43] <DocTomoe> Maybe in here someone as a suggestion for my dpkg problem? As the description is rather long, I posted it at http://pastebin.ca/122418
[07:43] <nick_> wat's the most user friendly program?
[07:43] <e-Hernick> iWeb :) ?
[07:44] <QMario> Draik, no directory named cups.d
[07:44] <e-Hernick> Oh, NVU is very nice.
[07:44] <e-Hernick> try NVU
[07:44] <nick_> NVU,ok
[07:44] <vandenoever> yeah, nvu's probably most userfriendly
[07:44] <draik> can you go there manually
[07:45] <e-Hernick> NVU features and screenshots: http://www.nvu.com/features.php
[07:45] <nick_> thank you
[07:45] <draik> open your file browser and go to root (/) and then etc > cups > cups.d
[07:46] <nick_> an other question :) i've i want to watch movies on the internet i need some plugins! but where can i get those for linux?
[07:47] <vandenoever> nick_: do you need flash or movie codecs?
[07:48] <nick_> i think i need flash
[07:48] <nick_> maby i need it all. it isn't lost i've i have it all
[07:49] <QMario> Draik, I can not go there manually.
[07:49] <draik> error message?
[07:49] <eamon> !java
[07:49] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:49] <vandenoever> nick_: check http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <nick_> i allready have java
[07:54] <Surger> Is it normal for a dist-upgrade to remove apps? I'm missing hotplugging and the ntpd service.
[07:54] <Surger> Also I'm missing a lot of icons in KDE - for example kcontrol isn't anywhere to be seen in KDE.
[07:55] <aliasfred> i think it is normal to remove apps. after that, is it normal that those particular apps have been removed i dunno
[07:55] <RogueX> Hello
[07:55] <RogueX> Anyone tell me how to make file execute a double click under Konqueror?
[07:56] <Ash-Fox> RogueX, double click it?
[07:56] <chx> i just want honest opinions, not flames -- is it worth to buy an Intel Mac to run Kubuntu on it?
[07:56] <aliasfred> chx, why not buy a pc ?
[07:57] <RogueX> Ash-Fox: Yea I go to delete files but just selecting them causes them to run rather than allowing me to select them to be deleted, moved, or whatever
[07:57] <QMario> Draik, sorry for taking too long to respond, but I think the problem is that there are no Windows drivers on this machine.
[07:57] <Ash-Fox> Oh, you mean single click, RogueX, just run kcontrol the setting for changing single click is somewhere in there
[07:57] <aliasfred> chx, apple hardware tends to be more expensive, so i would say you need to good reason to buy it
[07:57] <RawSewage> Surger, www.boringville.com/blogs/Bilford/Kubuntu
[07:58] <draik> QMario, are you using Kubuntu 6.06?
[07:58] <vigilant_> how do i see how much space is left on my harddrive?
[07:58] <RawSewage> vigilant_,  df -h
[07:59] <RawSewage> or better yet, install KWikDisk
[07:59] <RawSewage> it gives you a tray icon
[07:59] <vigilant_> kool
[07:59] <vigilant_> ty
[07:59] <Surger> RawSewage: Funny thing is that I'm even missing the KDE System Settings menu :)
[07:59] <vigilant_> :)
[08:00] <chx> aliasfred: that's why i am asking -- is there an advantage if I do not use Mac OS X?
[08:00] <RawSewage> Surger, its not in System?
[08:00] <Surger> RawSewage: Nope but it was there before my dist-upgrade.
[08:01] <RawSewage> Surger, thats weird
[08:01] <draik> QMario, run Adept and make sure you have 'cupsys' installed
[08:02] <nick_> i've you have a site with users.telenet.be what is the publishing server then?
[08:02] <aliasfred> chx, i dont see any. why do you considere this choise ? i mean do you have any reason to buy a intel mac instead of a pc ?
[08:02] <vigilant_> when i search for kwikdisk in adept i find nothing, when i search for kwiki I find a quickie wiki thats not too tricky hehe
[08:02] <vigilant_> :)
[08:02] <RawSewage> vigilant_, KDiskFree
[08:02] <vigilant_> aha!
[08:02] <vigilant_> thanx
[08:02] <RawSewage> vigilant_, KwikDIsk is a module in it
[08:03] <QMario> Draik, what is Adept?
[08:03] <vigilant_> will gnome programs work in my kubuntu?
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, wait
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, kdf
[08:03] <vigilant_> rawsewage: search for kdf in my adept?
[08:03] <RawSewage> vigilant_, kdf is the package name
[08:03] <vigilant_> aha
[08:03] <vigilant_> rawsewage: thanx:)
[08:03] <RawSewage> sudo apt-get install kdf
[08:03] <vigilant_> i found it in adept
[08:04] <RawSewage> ok
[08:04] <vigilant_> :D
[08:04] <vigilant_> kubuntu rox
[08:04] <harryo> Hi, after a upgrade to dapper, X refuse to start. Any ideas?
[08:05] <vigilant_> anyone know how to play the java game blood bowl in kubuntu?
[08:06] <vigilant_> ive installed the java package
[08:07] <RawSewage> did you get to the Agreement Page
[08:07] <vigilant_> and i got this directory with the game and a .jar file that kubuntu opens to edit
[08:07] <RawSewage> if you didnt Accept the Agreement, you didnt install Java
[08:07] <vigilant_> and a .lnk file that i used when i played it in windows
[08:07] <RawSewage> !java
[08:07] <vigilant_> i did accept it installed it in console
[08:07] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[08:07] <RawSewage> vigilant_, ok
[08:08] <vigilant_> the problem is how to get kubuntu to start the game
[08:08] <RawSewage> vigilant_, try this
[08:08] <RawSewage> right click the jar, and in Properties, make it executable
[08:08] <vigilant_> aha
[08:08] <vigilant_> one sec ill try :)
[08:08] <QMario> Thank you draik!!! :) I can move on from here.
[08:10] <RawSewage> Im clueless when it comes to Java
[08:10] <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: java -jar <name_of_jar_file>
[08:10] <RawSewage> vigilant_, ^^
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> err
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> sorry. thanks.
[08:11] <RawSewage> sledge_at_work, does making the jar executable also work
[08:11] <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: I don't know.
[08:11] <vigilant_> it opened it in "ark"
[08:11] <vigilant_> strange stuff
[08:11] <RawSewage> did you try the above
[08:12] <RawSewage> see sledge_at_work's
[08:12] <chx> aliasfred: i was looking for such a reason (i do not really know, better quality, speed, whatever) but apparently none exists. thanks.
[08:12] <vigilant_> jupp
[08:12] <sledge_at_work> vigilant_: not strange. a jar file is a java tar file. :)
[08:12] <vigilant_> "can be executed"
[08:12] <RawSewage> vigilant_, no, what sledge_at_work said
[08:12] <RawSewage> [18:10]  <sledge_at_work> RawSewage: java -jar <name_of_jar_file>
[08:12] <vigilant_> oh
[08:12] <vigilant_> no not yet
[08:12] <Doodluv> vigilant_: do as sledge said..
[08:12] <vigilant_> i will
[08:12] <vigilant_> oki
[08:12] <aliasfred> chx: no problem
[08:13] <vandenoever> is there a way to get faster sources?
[08:13] <vandenoever> my apt-get upgrade is very slow
[08:13] <mig> I have this problem. I want to edit files which only root has access to (in /var/www/), but graphically inside the KDE. can that be done?
[08:13] <vandenoever> the data travels half the globe from .au to .de at the moment
[08:13] <sledge_at_work> mig: kdesu <editorname> file
[08:14] <mig> I'll check it out, thanks
[08:14] <Doodluv> mig: sudo
[08:14] <sledge_at_work> mig: e.g.: kdesu gvim /var/www/foo/bar.conf
[08:16] <mig> any idea why I get "cannot connect to X server"?
[08:17] <aliasfred> mig, my guess is use 'kdesu'
[08:17] <vigilant_> "Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java"
[08:18] <Cagari> hi. Is anyone able to use Sagem fast 800 usb modem with kubuntu?
[08:18] <vigilant_> what does it mean?
[08:18] <aliasfred> this mean download the sun java :)
[08:19] <vigilant_> but i installed it allready :)
[08:19] <vigilant_> confusing
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> select the sun one
[08:20] <RogueX> h3sp4wn: Hello
[08:20] <vigilant_> oki
[08:20] <aliasfred> vigilant_: do as h3sp4wn said, Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java <- the gnu.java tells you are not using it
[08:21] <vigilant_> oki
[08:21] <Doodluv> vigilant_: i had both installed, i just specified the path like /path/to/sun/java/bin/java -jar /usr/local/app.jar
[08:22] <RogueX> Does anyone know how to get the windows to remember where they were open last time and open at the same place next time??
[08:22] <vigilant_> :)
[08:23] <vigilant_> thanx
[08:23] <aliasfred> RogueX: i think there is a very hidden option in kde to set this up. dont remember where
[08:23] <aliasfred> i had this issue once with konqueror and found the answer
[08:23] <aseigo> RogueX: you mean on re-log in?
[08:23] <vigilant_> its working :D
[08:23] <vigilant_> now off to bloodbowl land! :D
[08:23] <vigilant_> thanks for all help people
[08:24] <aliasfred> no problem :)
[08:24] <RogueX> aseigo: no just whenever I open an app.  I like things to be in the same place instead of just opening in the next available corner
[08:25] <Doodluv> np
[08:26] <dek_aik> RogueX: right click the top bar, choose advanced --special windows settings
[08:26] <aseigo> RogueX: ah .. i see ... you want the "Window Specific Settings" control panel
[08:27] <aseigo> RogueX: create a new rule, don't define a window class, on the geometry page select Position and set it to Remember. possibly the same for size if you wish
[08:28] <david___> why my mp3 dont play ? please
[08:28] <aliasfred> !restricted
[08:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:28] <RogueX> dek_aik: help... when I right click I get add applet to panel and such
[08:28] <aliasfred> david___: this is for you
[08:29] <Cagari> ehrm can anyone help me?
[08:29] <vigilant_> will java work automatically from my firefox now?
[08:29] <vigilant_> inside the browser
[08:30] <RogueX> dek_aik: where do I go from menu?
[08:30] <dek_aik> RogueX: just right click the top border of your app, then you chooce the advanced--special windows settings
[08:31] <staatsrechner> how do i change the Resolution? i only get 640 x 480
[08:31] <dek_aik> RogueX: then choose geometry etc like aseigo said
[08:31] <RogueX> dek_aik: I found it..  Is there a way to set it for all apps and not just the one?
[08:33] <dek_aik> RogueX: i guess you have to choose the each app, on the windows options
[08:34] <aseigo> no, you can set it as a default setting
[08:34] <aseigo> go through the control panels, not the right click on the window
[08:35] <Cagari> Can anyone tell me how to work out sagem fast 800 usb modem on kubuntu plz?
[08:36] <RogueX> aseigo: Can you be more specific?  Do you mean somewhere in System Settings?
[08:36] <aseigo> RogueX: should be there, yes.. let's see..
[08:37] <excitatory> hrm.. something is wrong with dpkg/aptitude.. after every 'install' and/or 'upgrade', the following warning is output: ** (process:4542): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[08:37] <aseigo> RogueX: yep.. in the Desktop section
[08:37] <dek_aik> aseigo: well...it seems you still have to choose the apps, right?
[08:37] <RogueX> aseigo: OK found.  Now click New??
[08:38] <aseigo> dek_aik: i believe you can apply it to all windows by not specifying the exact window role type
[08:39] <aseigo> dek_aik: would have to try it to be sure.. been a while since i played with that stuff too much, but it seems to let one describe the window role stuff as "unimportant"
[08:39] <RogueX> aseigo: Ok I selected new and gave it a name.. what next?  :)
[08:39] <dek_aik> aseigo: :) i guess for a kde developer maybe
[08:40] <aseigo> RogueX: create a new rule, don't define a window class, on the geometry page select Position and set it to Remember. possibly the same for size if you wish
[08:43] <RogueX> aseigo: OK I got that.. It also said "
[08:43] <dek_aik> aseigo: in this case, if i choose max for all windows, then the usual small windows like "About KDE" would also max, i presume?
[08:43] <RogueX> aseigo: "recommended you at least liimit the window types to avoid special window types"
[08:43] <aseigo> dek_aik: you can pick which window types to apply it to on the second tab
[08:44] <aseigo> RogueX: : you can pick which window types to apply it to on the second tab
[08:44] <dek_aik> aseigo: aha!
[08:45] <vigilant_> how do i open ports for my game bloodbowl?
[08:45] <vigilant_> it says localport "3154"  but nothing happens
[08:45] <dek_aik> aseigo: just pick the "Normal Windows"
[08:46] <dek_aik> aseigo: thank you
[08:46] <vigilant_> anyone know how to open ports?
[08:48] <digibre4k> hallouw...
[08:48] <digibre4k> can u help????
[08:48] <RogueX> aseigo: Thanks..  if you dont understand what it means it not always easy to figure it out. :)
[08:48] <aseigo> RogueX: =)
[08:48] <RogueX> dek_aik: Thanks for you help too :)
[08:49] <kventil> nabn'd
[08:49] <aseigo> digibre4k: not if you don't ask questions.
[08:49] <digibre4k> i forget admin password!!!!!!!!
[08:49] <digibre4k> can u help me???
[08:50] <vigilant_> i hope they cant :)
[08:50] <dek_aik> aseigo: while you are here, why is it if i type man:/savage in konq there are extra '34' is it relate to encoding? i use utf8, fyi
[08:50] <vigilant_> cus then anyone could like get into my computer
[08:50] <dek_aik> RogueX: np..:)
[08:50] <kevin> i hit ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a terminal, but how do i get back to X now?
[08:50] <MadRush> alt+f7
[08:51] <MadRush> should be alt+f7 kevin
[08:51] <RogueX>  It worked!  Thank you.  That has been driving me nuts.. LOL
[08:51] <kevin> MadRush: thanks
[08:51] <kevin> exit
[08:52] <kevin> nope, that didnt do anything
[08:52] <notech> ctrl+alt+f7
[08:52] <kevin> tried that too
[08:52] <notech> try f8
[08:53] <notech> should be one or the other
[08:53] <kevin> i tried every function key
[08:53] <kevin> is there a shell command for it?
[08:53] <kevin> nm figured it out
[08:54] <aseigo> dek_aik: no idea
[08:54] <vigilant_> how do i open a port?
[08:55] <dek_aik> aseigo: do you experience it as well?
[08:56] <aseigo> dek_aik: yep. and yeah, i'd guess it's an encoding issue somewhere. not sure if it would be in that specific man page or kio_man or .......
[08:57] <coachj> can someone help me create an audio CD from mp3s  using  k3b
[09:00] <khes> coachj: add the mp3's to a new audio cd project?
[09:01] <aseigo> coachj: you may need to install the libk3b-mp3 package first
[09:01] <coachj> khes: I get an error msg saying unsupportrd format.
[09:02] <vigilant_> nobody knows how to open ports?
[09:02] <khes> you might have to add the universe respositories, and install [some codec]  (think this is in the wiki?)
[09:02] <uniq> vigilant_: it's open by default, so starting a application that listens on the port should be enough.
[09:03] <khes> vigilant_: are you talking about port forewarding on your router?
[09:03] <vigilant_> khes: no im just trying to play a game i think the router is open but not sure...
[09:03] <coachj> khes:what wiki
[09:04] <vigilant_> khes: how do i find out?
[09:04] <khes> hmm
[09:04] <vigilant_> uniq: the application that listens on the port is the game?
[09:04] <khes> there are web pages that test for open ports
[09:05] <helfrez> what still  amazes me is how kde can use kpilot to sync PERFECT dang near everytime with my pam pdas and treo now
[09:05] <khes> but if your on a 192-type ip (private block), and haven't got your computer in a dmz, my guess is that you'll have to foreward the ports manually
[09:05] <helfrez> and gnome can just work SOOOOO bad
[09:05] <vigilant_> what if i do this: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 5555 -j ACCEPT" ?
[09:06] <vigilant_> ah
[09:06] <vigilant_> hmm
[09:06] <Doodluv> vigilant_: if ur behind a router, go to ur routers config http://<routerip> for example
[09:07] <khes> usually it's your default gateway (if it's not a larger network, that is)
[09:07] <khes> vigilant_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[09:07] <vigilant_> how do i find the ip?
[09:07] <Doodluv> like khes said, probably ur default gateway
[09:09] <MadRush> ok heres my problem: i can sftp into a box via CLI but not via konqueror
[09:09] <vigilant_> ty
[09:09] <coachj> khes:What wiki fir the cd burning
[09:10] <khes> coachj: trying to find it for you as we speak
[09:10] <coachj> thks
[09:12] <uniq> vigilant_: probably, the game yes. you can check if you have any iptables rules present with this command:  'sudo iptables-save'
[09:13] <khes> coachj: finally: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s
[09:13] <khes> not in the wiki, but still ;)
[09:13] <magical_trevsky> does anyone know the version of the rt2500 driver that ships in kubuntu?
[09:13] <magical_trevsky> (or what command I could issue to find out?)
[09:14] <coachj> thks
[09:15] <JesperSky> how do I get a dosemu with X support?
[09:15] <soulrider> does anyone know if ktorrent has an Ic channel ?
[09:15] <coachj> khes:thank you
[09:17] <uniq> magical_trevsky: dapper?
[09:17] <magical_trevsky> yep
[09:18] <uniq> magical_trevsky: run this command in console: 'modinfo rt2500'
[09:18] <DaSkreech> !info telepathy
[09:18] <ubotu> Package telepathy does not exist in dapper
[09:19] <magical_trevsky> uniq, perfect, thanks :D
[09:22] <DaSkreech> !Info telepathy edgy
[09:22] <ubotu> Package telepathy does not exist in edgy
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Liar
[09:22] <slow-motion> hallo
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Hello
[09:23] <damian_> !xgl
[09:23] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:29] <danl> what could be causing my kubuntu to have unreasonably long dns lookup times?
[09:30] <aliasfred> danl: and not with other OS ?
[09:30] <danl> no
[09:30] <aliasfred> hmm dunno, may check you use the same dns server, or if there are some dns masquerade/local cache somewhere
[09:31] <Agios> danl, check to make sure the DNS servers you have in resolv.conf are all working. Also, disable ipv6
[09:31] <danl> ok
[09:31] <danl> one sec
[09:31] <aliasfred> ahhhhhh ipv6
[09:31] <aliasfred> ipv6 lookup can slowthings down
[09:31] <_earl> hi
[09:31] <Doodluv> hello
[09:32] <danl> that was the problem
[09:32] <danl> it was the resolv.conf
[09:32] <danl> had Search Belkin, then nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:33] <danl> thanks
[09:33] <danl> perfect now
[09:33] <danl> resolv.conf completely slipped my mind
[09:34] <danl> so, now that's fixed, pdnsd should work correctly, right?
[09:40] <Admiral_Chicago> is edgy knot 2 out yet?
[09:41] <trappist> edgy knot 2?
[09:41] <crimsun> no.
[09:41] <RawSewage> it is knot
[09:42] <slow-motion> n8
[09:43] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: Well done
[09:44] <RawSewage> DaSkreech, lol
[09:46] <oever> security.ubuntu.com is unreachable...
[09:48] <Admiral_Chicago> oever, yea i noticed that today when i did an apt-update
[09:53] <oever> whats qt4 caled on edgy?
[09:54] <fdoving> libqt4-dev for development files.
[09:55] <oever> fdoving: tx
[09:55] <hustla__> i need to know the name of the GD-lib in ubuntu? can u help me?
[09:55] <Admiral_Chicago> security.ubuntu is now reachable
[09:55] <fdoving> hustla__: libgd2
[09:56] <hustla__> thanx a lot
[09:56] <hustla__> ;)
[09:56] <fdoving> hustla__: that would be libgd2-dev if you're compiling something.
[09:56] <hustla__> thats ok .. thank u
[09:57] <crazy_penguin> i wish a good night to all! sleep well!
[09:57] <fdoving> good nite crazy_penguin.
[09:57] <hustla__> is this also for php integration?
[09:57] <fdoving> hustla__: no, package names php4-gd and php5-gd, pick the one matching your php version.
[09:57] <RogueX> Is there a Theme manager in Kubuntu like in ubuntu?
[09:58] <hustla__> .. thats it  .. ;)
[09:59] <fdoving> RogueX: i don't know how it works in ubuntu, but kubuntu have appearance settings in system settings -> appearance
[10:00] <fdoving> RogueX: actually.. you can try alt+f2 'kcmshell kthememanager'
[10:00] <hustla__> do i need to restart apache after installing php5-gd ?
[10:00] <RogueX> fdoving: In Ubuntu when you select a theme it is a whole package as one (colors, windows, icons)  in Kubuntu you have to change each one manuelly
[10:00] <fdoving> hustla__: yes. to re-load the module.
[10:01] <hustla__> ok
[10:01] <fdoving> RogueX: that's probably correct, did you try 'kcmshell kthememanager' ?
[10:01] <RogueX> fdoving: trying now
[10:02] <zxkv> clear
[10:03] <RogueX> fdoving: That looks like the KDE manager I was looking for.. :)  Why isnt it in the menu somewhere? .
[10:04] <fdoving> RogueX: it is in the kde control center, but system settings doesn't seem to include it. you can run 'kcontrol' from the shell or the "run command.." dialog (alt+f2) to get it.
[10:07] <RogueX> fdoving: thanks!
[10:10] <shocktrooper1> hello.  after no sound for several months I reinstalled alsa with success.  But now it seems my system is not detecting python2.4.  I reinstalled python but it didn't fix the problem.  what can I do?
[10:11] <BluesKaj> shocktrooper1, have you checked your soundcard drivers ' updates ?
[10:11] <shocktrooper1> no
[10:12] <shocktrooper1> my sound works but now python doesn't.
[10:14] <shadeofgrey> okay guys absnd gals i need help
[10:15] <shadeofgrey> i did something really bad to my kubuntu installation
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> for sojme reaason all the top menus for all my programs are appearing at the very top of my screen and are not showing up at all where they should be - like when i open openoffice the entire window is just icons and the text menus like file edit etc etc are at the very top of my screen
[10:16] <shadeofgrey> and this happens for all programs currently running
[10:18] <trappist> shadeofgrey: try hitting alt-f2 and running 'kwin'