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[11:06] <trippeh> oh no not the daleks
[11:13] <skylite> I am using ubuntu server 18.04 and I have 10.1.47-MariaDB instal which is provided by the distro. Can I just add the mariadb repository and update from this one to the latest? Or is it more complicated than that?
[11:40] <Paddy_NI> Hello I have a Dell PowerEdge T140 with one m.2 drive (on the BOSS card) and one sata HDD. I wanted to install Ubuntu Server on this so that the root/boot drive was the m.2 and the home partition was on the HDD.  I can manage this part but I cannot figure out how to do it so that the entire thing is encrypted.  The installer offers to do encrypted LVM on one drive only so far as I can tell, or if
[11:40] <Paddy_NI> I do make an lvm group with both drives I see no obvious way of telling it to put /home on the hdd.
[11:41] <Paddy_NI> Should I be using a different Ubuntu Server install iso?
[11:45] <lordievader> Paddy_NI: Unless you want to go a full manual route (debootstrap), I think the easiest is to do the install on one drive first. And then afterwards modify the install to make use of the second drive.
[11:45] <lordievader> Are you doing lvm on luks or luks on lvm?
[11:46] <Paddy_NI> lordievader: Whatever the installer offers. I just want to add a layer of protection just in case the system gets stolen
[11:55] <lordievader> IIRC, the installer did lvm on luks. With a bit of fiddling you can get your init system to unlock both drives with entering a single passphrase.
[11:56] <lordievader> That is how my workstation is set up, two drives both with luks feeding into one volume group.
[12:37] <maret> Hi , I want to connect a server to different router via lan cable. When I tried it previously it didnt work and I had to restart pc. My question is should it normally work automatically , do I have to restart do I have to do something netplan?
[12:46] <lordievader> maret: What exactly didn't work? Did you get an IP on the secondary link?
[12:46] <maret> lordievader: I cant ping google for example I get tem. failuter in name resolution
[12:46] <maret> i run ifconfing down and up
[12:47] <lordievader> Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:47] <maret> checking syslogs which says -Gained carrier, Nic link is up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Links become ready and last one Gained IPV6all
[12:48] <maret> hmm no I think there is an issue with ether, let me try wifi
[12:49] <maret> feels like there is something wrong on router side, because I cant see the device being connected
[12:50] <maret> lordievader: hmm I've switched back to different cable to different router which was working, and I am having a same issue
[12:50] <maret> last time I had to restart whole pc work it to work agian
[12:51] <Paddy_NI> lordievader: I have just opted to install with the m.2 lvm with luks and will see if I can figure it out after the install.  This system is just for sitting in a contruction companies office serving files over samba.
[12:51] <Paddy_NI> Whilst they are quite remote I would just like to go the extra step just in case someone breaks in.
[12:52] <lordievader> maret: Is the secondary link using DHCP and are you getting an IP address?
[12:52] <Paddy_NI> I am not doing anything fancy with it fs wise. They can perform backups over the network to a usb hdd once a week.
[12:53] <Paddy_NI> Down the road I would love to learn zfs etc
[12:53] <maret> lordievader: yes , I run ifconfig -a and I am seing inet <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:55] <lordievader> maret: What does `ip r` return?
[12:55] <lordievader> !paste
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[12:56] <maret> lordievader: will check, just tried to reboot , this has worked previously
[13:01] <maret> lordievader: anyway meanwhile any reason why would reboot help?
[13:10] <lordievader> maret: Without knowing what the actual problem is I can only guess at why rebooting helps.
[14:59] <Ussat> So looks like his channel is moving to Libera.....
[15:04] <ogra> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/minutes-for-the-2021-05-19-community-council-meeting/22367
[15:04] <ogra> not yet, but soon
[15:04] <ogra> (some feedback collection outstanding before the big move)
[15:05] <teward> Ussat: ogra: #ubuntu-irc is the better place to discuss this, but the IRCC has to determine and handle all the logistics
[15:05] <teward> so let's leave things in the hands of the IRCC for now
[15:06] <teward> not a small project
[15:06] <ogra> teward, i didnt mean to discuss anything 😉
[15:06] <teward> *yawns*
[15:06] <teward> send caffeine, pls.
[15:06]  * ogra sends esperesso shots


 https://news.softpedia.com/news/lubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-might-also-drop-support-for-new-32-bit-installations-521079.shtml
 Yep.
 My proposal.
[19:10] <valorie> :(
 So you want to support it for the next five years?
 I certainly done.
 *don't
[19:10] <valorie> with everyone else dropping it I'm feeling more like keeping it
 I think it's the right move.
 Five years is a long time.
 And as time goes on, we'll see less and less testers.
 But we either get rid of it now, and support it for the next three years, or support it for the next five (to take it until 20.04) and perhaps seven for some issues.
 @acheronuk What are your thoughts on the matter?
[19:12] <valorie> where does the 5 and 7 year figure come from?
 We either remove it now or we have to take it all the way to 20.04.
[19:13] <valorie> why?
 And release 20.04 with i386.
[19:13] <valorie> again, why?
 Because we can't abandon users on an unsupported upgrade path.
 If they upgrade to 19.04 and we decide to do it then, for example, they're stuck.
 They have to reinstall the LTS to get any support.
 This is the perfect time go to through with this.
[19:14] <valorie> ah, got it
[19:14] <valorie> well, please propose this to the Council
 Five for our support, seven for general community support (still my department), by the way.
[19:14] <valorie> this is a huge move, imo
 I will. But it's either all or nothing.
[19:15] <valorie> I know that it is harder for ME to get testers
[19:15] <valorie> how much extra work is it for you?
 And either way, @acheronuk and myself know how much work it actually takes. So in my opinion, it should be a vote of the active Kubuntu Ninjas.
[19:15] <valorie> acheronuk: how much work for you?
 @valorie, You have to have testing validation for i386 to convert your bases for SRUs. … Plus, with autopkgtests erratically failing sometimes, it is a PITA to maintain any extra arch.
[19:16] <valorie> ah
 Argh, cover your bases I mean.
[19:17] <valorie> all your bases
[19:17] <valorie> lol
 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
 lol
[19:19] <valorie> there ya go
[19:19] <valorie> it's a bit threadbare by now, that meme
[19:23] <acheronuk> I would like to follow suit and drop it :(
[19:25] <valorie> I think I'm in the minority, and I will follow the majority
[19:28] <acheronuk> we could probably squeeze out another release, but at some point I fear we would come unstuck. as remarked, the LTS is the right time to cut it off if we are going to
 Right.
 @acheronuk: Do you think it's worth sparking a discussion, or should we JFDI?
[19:33] <valorie> we at least have to announce
[19:33] <valorie> I've spent a lot of time in the past year or so getting testers
[19:36] <acheronuk> valorie: that is very much appreciated, and will still be needed for 18.04 point releases
[19:37] <valorie> true that
[19:37] <valorie> that makes me feel less like I'm letting people down
 @tsimonq2, will discussion solve the issues with i386?
 @acheronuk, No. But I don't want some people to throw a fit.
 Dubnom
 Grrrrrr
 *Dunno
[19:39] <valorie> some will throw a fit, no matter what
[19:39] <valorie> better to be up-front about the issues
[19:39] <acheronuk> who will throw a fit?
 @tsimonq2 any response form xubuntu?
[19:46] <valorie> someone will, because FOSS
[19:46] <valorie> probably someone who has never done one lick of work
 @valorie, Yeah.
 @acheronuk, Not yet, just asked.
 By the way, I'm now officially a member of the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board.
[19:59] <valorie> congratulations, tsimonq2
 Thanks!
 Yes, I was shocked how good Kubuntu is. Gnome looks nice but the lack of configurability is a show stopper for many power users.
 @ahoneybun, twitter? or somewher else?
 hackernews about the switch to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04
[21:04] <valorie> ahoneybun: so why did popOS go with gnome?
[21:05] <valorie> they wanted lack of configurability for simplification?
[21:05] <wxl> i think because what's-his-name is tight with the gnome folks
 who?
 @valorie, Because GNOME is cool?
[21:07] <valorie> um
[21:07] <valorie> no
[21:07] <valorie> lol
[21:07] <wxl> dang aaron you're right at the top of the about us
[21:08] <wxl> also the ian-caught-in-the-headlights pic is pretty rad
 I think it is because of my name or something.
 aa brings me at the top of a lot of things.
[21:10] <wxl> s/what's-his-name/sriram/
 valorie I do think GNOME is cool
[21:10] <wxl> (who's NOT on the about us oddly)
 wxl you'll see Sri is not on the about us any more.
[21:11] <wxl> does that mean what i think it does? :(
[21:11] <valorie> well, that's good since you have to support it
 his position was removed so yea sadly.
[21:11] <wxl> oh man that's terrible
[21:11] <valorie> bool
[21:11] <valorie> -l
[21:11] <wxl> NEVER REMOVE COMMUNITY MANAGERS
[21:11] <wxl> that's the first rule of open source
 Well his position before he was removed was not Community Manager.
[21:40] <valorie> ok, I posted on softpedia
[21:40] <valorie> tsimonq2: please forward your email to ubuntu-devel to the k-deve and user lists
 @valorie, Link to Softpedia?
 @valorie, Which email specifically? Link?
[21:41] <valorie> the announcement or whatever seems appropriate
[21:42] <valorie> I'm working on a dot story right now, but I promise to engage on the list and support the decision
 About i386 you mean?
[21:43] <valorie> yes
 Ah. Right. OK.
 @tsimonq2 is there a way to get my email sent to the list about the new installer mark wants to make?
 @ahoneybun, Why are you asking me? ;) … I'd ask in #ubuntu-devel. Maybe cjwatson.
 Because I'm not using IRC right now.
 personally they should use either Calamares or the new Elementary/Pop OS installer.
 @ahoneybun, They won't use Calamares because that's not GTK.
 The new Pop installer would be coooool
 It's Vala and Rust so.
 It's cool automatically.
[22:08] <acheronuk> valorie: what are you writing, where?
[22:09] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: same to you
[22:09]  * wxl answers for valorie: "words, here"
[22:09] <valorie> acheronuk: trying to make the Dot story about welcoming GSoC students finally get published
 @acheronuk, Nothing yet. I'm enjoying beef roast and mashed potatoes.
[22:09] <valorie> about killed myself finishing it a week ago, but there it sits
[22:10] <acheronuk> valorie: oh, so not about i386. I misread
[22:12] <valorie> well, since Simon is pushing this, he should announce unless you want to
[22:12] <valorie> and I will be supportive in spite of my sadness
[22:13] <wxl> kubuntu's officially joining the massacre of innocent 32 bit kittens/
 Can we pleaaaaase be official with Lubuntu too?
[22:15] <valorie> wxl: way to make me feel worse
[22:15] <valorie> poor dead kittens
[22:15] <valorie> lol
[22:17] <wxl> blame cjwatson for making me less likely to say yes @tsimonq2
 ^_^
[23:28] <tsimonq2> valorie, acheronuk: #ubuntu-flavors is now a thing.
[23:28] <valorie> there


[02:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:48] <Y05hito__> heya
[02:49] <Y05hito__> lotuspsychje, What about forking Ubuntu 2 you bounty and call that a twixnux OS?
[02:52] <Y05hito__> (chocklate bar joke of the morning lol)
[21:30] <gry> someone take HatingUbuntuToday in #ubuntu please, i need to head off and it is outside my knowledge area
[21:31] <daftykins> nick like that should be ignored
[21:50] <oerheks> +1
[21:51] <oerheks> !/clear
[21:51] <oerheks> !badident


[18:47] <smallfoot-> check out the most awesomeness mockup for colored themes in ubuntu http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/317/coloredthemeyz9.png and if you like that, then vote for it http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9190/
[20:27]  * thorwil waves to nand
[20:27]  * nand waves back
[20:27] <nand> still no luck :(
[20:28] <thorwil> wonder what they are doing all day
[20:28] <nand> Well, there was the UDS, it is a valid excuse :)
[20:28] <thorwil> nand: got anything out of the UDS for brainstorm/yourself?
[20:29] <nand> considering brainstorm, the main wanted thing is an easy way for dev to cherry pick the "feasible" ideas
[20:29]  * nand is still thinking on how to do it
[20:30] <nand> and basically it was agreed that feedback to brainstorm is important
[20:30] <nand> and we'll try to make ubuntu devs more involved in brainstorm, e.g. via the blog
[20:31] <nand> thorwil: btw, any hint on the status of http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/384/ ?
[20:32] <nand> I'd like to put some kind of update on this one, or better, ask kwwii to put some comments here
[20:33] <thorwil> nand: i don't think you should put out a bait like "Get your artwork on 10 million desktops"
[20:34] <thorwil> that wouldn't be fair
[20:34] <nand> thorwil: I'm not responsible for the idea content :) But AFAIK, this was discussed and more or less agreed, right?
[20:34] <nand> (the deviant art competition part)
[20:35] <nand> see attached blueprint
[20:35] <thorwil> nand: if it was discussed, i didn't follow it :/
[20:35] <_MMA_> There's no reason it couldn't happen. Just needs someone to manage it. With the knowledge it won't be default.
[20:36] <thorwil> _MMA_ last statement is _very_ important
[20:37] <thorwil> oh, blueprint contains: "The winner will be decided by Mark Shuttleworth in August"
[20:38] <nand> the fact is, I don't know if this has really started, or not
[20:39] <_MMA_> thorwil: Just because the blueprint says it, doesnt make it official. Anyone can write one.
[20:40] <thorwil> _MMA_: i know. it stands and falls with Mark's involvment
[20:40] <_MMA_> thorwil: I would wadger Mark only cares about default and space willing, Ken can put in the winner.
[20:46]  * _MMA_ notices the .tar.lzma archives are unknown and are missing a icon. kwwii: We should get that fixed.
[21:06] <smallfoot-> http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6933/rainbowzz5.png
[21:56] <smallfoot-> http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5295/steelif5.png
[22:09] <cody-somerville> Heya art folks! :)
[22:09] <cody-somerville> Can someone please create some launchpad branding for the Ubuntu News team?
[22:19] <_MMA_> cody-somerville: Talk to thorwil tomorrow.
[22:19] <_MMA_> He's good with things like this.
[22:19] <smallfoot-> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9190/ <-- check out cool idea
[23:28] <kwwii> _MMA_: still around?
[23:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: Kinda. Makin' burgers.
[23:37] <Cimi> smallfoot-, please, stop it
[23:38] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:38] <_MMA_> Cimi: Be nice. He's done nothing wrong.
[23:38] <smallfoot-> its art-related idea kinda
[23:39] <Cimi> _MMA_, spamming since 5 hours
[23:39] <_MMA_> It's spammy but not off-topic.
[23:39] <Cimi> smallfoot-, we already read 4 times
[23:39] <Cimi> and I agree with you, and I like your colors
[23:39] <Cimi> but please stop spamming
[23:39] <Cimi> also
[23:40] <Cimi> gnome 2.26 will support color schemes
[23:40] <Cimi> something selectable trough a combobox etc etc
[23:40] <kwwii> _MMA_: ein guten appetit
[23:40] <kwwii> enjoy your meal
[23:40] <_MMA_> kwwii: PM if needed.
[23:41] <kwwii> Cimi: it seems like something decent has come out of the email, eh?
[23:41] <Cimi> kwwii, if this will become code well
[23:41] <Cimi> otherwise words are totally useless
[23:41] <smallfoot-> Cimi, awesome, but when is 2.26 come?
[23:41] <Cimi> smallfoot-, march 2009
[23:42] <kwwii> Cimi: I think it just might happen...I am putting in a theme with the current svn snapshot asap
[23:42] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:42] <smallfoot-> is long time
[23:43] <Cimi> smallfoot-, we are currently working on muuuuch better things that you will enjoy much more than your (positive) idea
[23:43] <kwwii> Cimi: we should probably talk about how to handle bug reports soon :-)
[23:43] <Cimi> kwwii, as I said
[23:43] <Cimi> my idea is not to provide it as the default theme
[23:43] <Cimi> but installing
[23:43] <smallfoot-> Cimi, oh cool, like what?
[23:44] <Cimi> smallfoot-, you'll know when something will be out from our hats
[23:44]  * Cimi hatttrick ;)
[23:44] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:46] <kwwii> Cimi: I think it is so early that we can try it out
[23:46] <Cimi> kwwii, what do you mean?
[23:46] <kwwii> do things go horribly wrong if it doesn't work?
[23:47] <kwwii> including a the murrine snapshot
[23:47] <Cimi> kwwii, if neil/mirco will wrote a working patch for the systemtray
[23:48] <Cimi> we won't have many issues
[23:48] <Cimi> mainly broken applications are abiword/gnumeric (can be easily fixed)
[23:48] <kwwii> for now the panel's are still opaque anyway
[23:48] <Cimi> maybe (dont know) openoffice
[23:48] <kwwii> right, people can report bugs
[23:48] <kwwii> not many people are running intrepid yet
[23:48] <Cimi> the problem is that from times to times
[23:49] <kwwii> OOo seems to work find
[23:49] <kwwii> fine
[23:49] <Cimi> developer did assume RGB as default
[23:49] <Cimi> making things that are not compatible
[23:49] <kwwii> execpt the page background seems to be the input box color
[23:49] <kwwii> right
[23:49] <kwwii> it will come up
[23:49] <Cimi> for example
[23:49] <kwwii> and we will see how we can fix it
[23:49] <Cimi> abiword is incorrectly using a cairo function to clear the background
[23:49] <kwwii> but if we don't try now we will never get further
[23:50] <Cimi> this means that if you have a RGBA colormap
[23:50] <Cimi> the abiword window (page) will become totally transparent (cleared)
[23:50] <Cimi> same thing is happening for gnumeric
[23:51] <Cimi> btw all we need to do is to patch 1-2 lines of code
[23:51] <Cimi> :)
[23:51] <Cimi> using cairo_source instead clear
[23:51] <Cimi> easy
[23:51] <kwwii> so we will have to patch apps that have a problem with gtk-wide transparency
[23:51] <Cimi> not just us
[23:52] <Cimi> it is a bug of the applications
[23:52] <Cimi> they wrote bad code
[23:52] <kwwii> Cimi: btw, I will probably be bugging you about gtkrc stuff...is there any info on the current options?
[23:52] <Cimi> yeah
[23:52] <Cimi> there's a xml
[23:52] <Cimi> http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk/schema/murrine.xml.in.in
[23:52] <kwwii> I looked through the stuff on the web and it seemed outdated
[23:53] <Cimi> and the gradient_stops are deprecated
[23:53] <kwwii> erm, so how does that effect gradient drawing?
[23:54] <Cimi> if you want (for example) a metal look
[23:54] <Cimi> just add
[23:54] <Cimi> gradients = { 0.8, 1.0, 1.0, 0.8)
[23:54] <Cimi> could work
[23:54] <Cimi> IIRC
[23:55] <Cimi> > 1 means bright
[23:55] <Cimi> <1 dark
[23:55] <Cimi> from top to bottom
[23:55] <kwwii> right, but I have to understand what each thing does and how it does it
[23:55] <kwwii> or at least which values are possible so that I can test it out until I get it
[23:55] <Cimi> you should ask me
[23:56] <kwwii> hehe, that was exactly my point
[23:56] <Cimi> kwwii, they are explained in that xml
[23:56] <kwwii> :-)
[23:56] <_MMA_> Documentation is good also. ;)
[23:56]  * kwwii looks
[23:57] <kwwii> wow, that is pretty definitve
[23:57] <Cimi> that xml sucks
[23:58] <Cimi> should be updated
[23:58] <Cimi> but I think all options are in
[23:58] <kwwii> it allows 4 gradient stops, if I read it correctly
[23:58] <Cimi> that is deprecated
[23:59] <Cimi> in favour of
[23:59] <kwwii> so there are no stops allowed?
[23:59] <Cimi> the sintax is different
[23:59] <kwwii> or it is done directly in the gtk xml
[23:59] <Cimi> let me check the code
[23:59] <Cimi> kwwii, that xml is not used in the theme
[23:59] <Cimi> is used for documentation
[23:59] <kwwii> nahhh...don't worry about it now
[23:59] <kwwii> I'll ask once i have a real problem
[23:59] <kwwii> let we play with it first


[02:09] <ypwong> JackYu, UKSC 今天会准备好？
[02:49] <JackYu> ypwong, 没问题。
[02:50] <freeflying> ypwong: http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001055991?page=rest
[02:51] <freeflying> ypwong: UKSC = Supreme Court of United  Kingdom
[03:08] <ypwong> freeflying, lol
[04:43] <pmaxloo> hello
[04:43] <pmaxloo> anybody here?
[04:45] <pmaxloo> 大家好！
[07:04] <happyaron> ypwong: meeting or not?
[07:05] <happyaron> JackYu: ^^
[07:09] <ypwong> happyaron, there is, but jack yu is not here.. :P
[07:09] <ypwong> so i think we can cancel
[07:10] <happyaron> ok
[07:14] <happyaron> 用bzr完全没有做cherry-pick等patch相关操作的动力。
[07:22] <ypwong> uksc 的 history 又乱套了
[07:22] <happyaron> ypwong: 求换git
[07:22] <happyaron> 强烈求换git
[07:22] <happyaron> lol
[07:24] <ypwong> 考虑中
[07:24] <ypwong> happyaron, can you upload UKSC <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:24] <ypwong> maclin 说用这版
[07:25] <happyaron> ypwong: 等我把搜狗这版提交给QA就弄那个。
[07:25] <ypwong> happyaron, ok
[07:26] <ypwong> maclin_, ok, 我改了 bug 1314471
[07:26] <ypwong> maclin_, 尽量写一下 test case 和 regression potential，特别是后者
[07:26] <ypwong> 免得 sru team 的人问
[07:27] <maclin_> 我刚把test case填了，regression potential主要是填什么内容？不是太理解这个
[07:34] <happyaron> maclin: source tar在哪
[07:42] <maclin> happyaron，正在上传
[07:45] <happyaron> ok
[07:53] <maclin> happyaron，已经upload到0.2.9中https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-kylin-software-center/0.2/0.2.9
[07:54] <happyaron> maclin: ok
[07:55] <happyaron> maclin: 你的source名应该是<IP_ADDRESS>啊，不该是0.2.9
[07:57] <maclin> happyaron，好的，我重新上传
[07:58] <happyaron> thx, :)
[08:01] <ypwong> maclin, for more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[08:14] <maclin> ypwong，好的，thanks^
[08:21] <ypwong> JackYu, maclin: ubuntu-kylin-docs 的内容又放在网上吗？
[08:22] <JackYu> ypwong, 什么意思？
[08:22] <JackYu> 没看明白。
[08:23] <ypwong> 有放在网站上吗？
[08:25] <ypwong> JackYu, ^^
[08:26] <JackYu> 还没有，目前只在LP上
[08:26] <ypwong> JackYu, ok
[08:26] <JackYu> :)
[08:57] <ypwong> happyaron, uksc <IP_ADDRESS> uploaded?
[09:04] <ypwong> uksc 的窗口没有阴影，不像一般窗口
[09:08] <maclin> 是的，有阴影效果的时候启动会闪一下，后来就取消了，后面再调整
[09:20] <ypwong> maclin, 其实默认的 qt window 就有阴影，是现在的实现方式太特殊？
[09:30] <maclin> ypwong, 我把Bug #1314471  的Regression Potential补完了，你帮忙看看？
[09:37] <ypwong> maclin, ok
[16:24] <ypwong> happyaron, hey, got any issue with uksc upload?


[13:17] <nescius> HI! how are file types associated with an executable? is this in a desktop file of a package?
[13:18] <nescius> if, for example ... kubuntu had a horrible mess in svg file association, do i raise a bug to all apps claiming they can, but can't ..really, to drop it from the desktop file?
[13:23] <nescius> okular for example opens it as text document, which svg is, but hmm... not really rendered correctly
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:49] <nescius> hi BluesKaj
[13:50] <BluesKaj> hi nescius
 How to solve nfts . I/O error ?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> make sure it's path and parameters are listed in /etc/fstab https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[21:45] <user|98> Hola se me dio por borrar /etc/source.list y no sé de dónde sacar las listas alguno me ayuda ?
[21:47] <diogenes_Vx15> !sources.list
[21:47] <user|98> Thanks
[22:10] <howefield>  /exit


[01:55] <lamont> gcc-4.0 finally starts building.
[01:55] <lamont> db4.3 and breezy-security got in the way
[01:56] <lamont> and the 4 hours of building -4ubuntu2 didn't help much either
[08:56] <infinity> jbailey : glibc is FTBFS on amd64.
[08:56] <infinity> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/sem_trywait.S: Assembler messages:
[08:56] <infinity> ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86_64/sem_trywait.S:59: Error: symbol `sem_trywait' is already defined
[08:56] <infinity> make[3] : *** [/build/buildd/glibc-2.3.5/build-tree/amd64-libc/nptl/sem_trywait.o]  Error 1
[08:57] <fabbione> SCORE
[08:57] <fabbione> hi infinity
[09:54] <doko> lamont, infinity, fabbione: what's the status of gcc-4.0 / gcc-3.4 on the buildd's?
[09:55] <fabbione> 3.4 is done on sparc
[09:55] <fabbione> 4.0 is building
[09:56] <fabbione> doko: ASSUMING 4.0 is not FTBFS
[09:56] <fabbione> you can just start the transition for what is SPARC concern
[09:56] <fabbione> because i did stop syncing from archive
[09:56] <fabbione> so i am working a specific archive snapshot
[09:57] <infinity> doko : I'll make sure all the chroots are up to date in a bit.
[10:00] <doko> so we don't have a status for hppa?
[10:01] <infinity> doko : Okay, all the DC buildds are up to date with -4ubuntu3
[10:03] <fabbione> doko: nope
[10:04] <doko> ok, lamont will be awake in a few hours
[10:15] <infinity> jbailey : Actually, you're FTBFS on everything but powerpc.  Lucky you.
[02:39] <lamont> doko: hppa won't build anything more for dapper until the chroot is updated.
[02:39] <doko> lamont: cool
[02:42] <lamont> doko: right now, it's building a breezy-security package, which should be done in another 2-3 hours... :-(
[02:43] <lamont> and then the buildd will stop and I'll upgrade the chroot
[02:43] <lamont> actually...
[02:43] <lamont> if it's building breezy-security, then the dapper chroot is quiescent
[02:44] <lamont> interesting... gcc-4.0 doesn't show up in the upgrade
[02:45] <lamont> but then, it hasn't been that very long...
[02:45] <lamont> I'll upgrade the chroot in a bit when I get to work.
[04:23] <lamont> doko: hppa chroot updated
[04:23] <lamont> Build needed 11:09:59, 1173980k disk space
[04:24] <lamont> just fyi on the gcc-4.0 thing...
[04:24] <doko> lamont: ok, thanks
[04:25] <doko> now we just need an updated subversion, and Riddell get's happy for the kde uploads ...
[04:33] <Riddell> yes please :)
[05:29] <Riddell> doko: can I upload stuff that doesn't need subversion?
[05:31] <doko> Riddell, yes, but I need to announce it, however I'm away now until 23:00 UTC
[05:31] <Riddell> announce it?
[05:31] <doko> u-d-a ...
[06:25] <mdz> /usr/bin/ld: section .note.ABI-tag [0000000000002c58 -><PHONE_NUMBER>002c77]  overlaps section .dynsym [0000000000002810 -><PHONE_NUMBER>00836f]
[06:25] <mdz> /usr/bin/ld: qemu-i386: Not enough room for program headers (allocated 8, need 9)
[06:25] <mdz> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
[06:54] <mdz> elmo: does that look like a new-binutils issue?  if so, what can I do about it?
[06:55] <elmo> could be; try an older one, and if it works, file a bug on binutils in Debian
[06:59] <mdz> conveniently, the old one is still available from dapper on us.archive.ubuntu.com
[07:03] <mdz> elmo: works with 2.16.1-2ubuntu7, will file
[07:05] <elmo> we're looking at the us thing; it really isn't actually trivial
[07:26] <lamont> doko.  where is doko.
[07:26] <lamont> must kill
[07:27] <lamont> doko: gcj-4.0 fails to build:
[07:27] <lamont> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:27] <lamont>   gettext: Depends: libgcj6 (>= 4.0.1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:27] <lamont> doko: thoughts?
[07:46] <fabbione> lamont: recursive build-dep
[07:46] <fabbione> lamont: what version are you trying to build?
[07:46] <fabbione> i think doko already fixed that
[07:52] <lamont> logs/gcj-4.1_4.1ds1-0ubuntu1_20051122-1114
[07:54] <lamont> ditto for gcj-4.0_4.0.2-4ubuntu5
[07:54] <fabbione> i have this wonderful feeling that tells me to keep a local copy of libgjc
[08:04] <lamont> yep


[05:39] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:43] <MooDoo> ?  ooops sorry about that
[07:46] <Fuchs> bad moodoo
[07:46] <Fuchs> go to corner and feel ashamed for 10 minutes
[07:47] <MooDoo> already did :(
[07:47] <Fuchs> good, good  *pets*
[07:48] <MooDoo> lol :)


[08:53] <fabbione> morning
[08:53] <fabbione> braddr: ping?
[08:55] <fabbione> braddr: can you please send me a full bootlog including the OBP prompt and the POST phase of the box?
[08:55] <fabbione> we have some kind of idea of what could be wrong
[08:55] <fabbione> basically the full log of console from the moment in which you do poweron
[08:55] <fabbione> and you can loging more than once on the ALOM
[10:02] <ajmitch> evening
[10:05] <fabbione> morning
[07:48] <braddr> fabbione: I assume I'll need to reboot to gather that info, right?  No easy way to grab it post boot?
[07:48] <braddr> hrm.. might be in the consolehistory of sc
[07:49] <fabbione> braddr: it's either a poweroff or a reboot yes
[07:49] <fabbione> i need to see the OBP boot prompt
[07:49] <fabbione> it's usually something like 0 go>
[07:49] <braddr> yeah.. no longer in the history.  I'll do a quick power cycle.
[07:49] <fabbione> (i can't type all kind of paranthesis right now)
[07:49] <fabbione> thanks
[07:50] <braddr> not the one from just sending a break, that's too late, right?
[07:50] <braddr> 'cause that one is: {0} ok
[07:50] <fabbione> ok thanks
[07:50] <fabbione> i would still like to get the full log
[07:51] <fabbione> but it's not urgent
[07:51] <fabbione> it can wait tomorrow or something
[07:51] <braddr> it's either now or 12+ hours from now.. might as well just do it
[07:51] <braddr> powering back up now.
[07:52] <braddr> I'll put the full thing in a log file, but here's the first fiew lines:
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>@(#) Integrated POST 4.19.1 2005/11/15 11:10
[07:52] <braddr>        /export/delivery/delivery/4.19/4.19.1/post4.19.0/Niagara/ontario/integrated  (root)
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>Copyright  2005 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved
[07:52] <braddr>   SUN PROPRIETARY/CONFIDENTIAL.
[07:52] <braddr>   Use is subject to license terms.
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>VBSC selecting POST IO Testing.
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>VBSC enabling threads: 10
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>VBSC setting verbosity level 2
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>Start Selftest.....
[07:52] <braddr> 1:0>Master CPU Tests Basic....Done
[07:52] <fabbione> it's different from mine
[07:52] <fabbione> i think i got the bug now
[07:53] <braddr> think the post is responsible for it?
[07:53] <fabbione> no
[07:53] <fabbione> it's a bug in the kernel
[07:53] <fabbione> sparc can boot from whatever CPU is in the system
[07:53] <fabbione> there is not always a static association between CPU0 and the boot cpu
[07:53] <fabbione> you might not even have a CPU0
[07:53] <braddr> aaaahh.
[07:53] <fabbione> now
[07:53] <fabbione> Niagara has introduced a new concept
[07:54] <fabbione> of cores/threads
[07:54] <fabbione> mine and davem boots fine
[07:54] <fabbione> but they are booting from cpu0 (there is only a real one)
[07:54] <fabbione> core0
[07:54] <fabbione> 0:0
[07:54] <braddr> got it.. realized where you were heading as soon as you said it. :)
[07:54] <fabbione> your is booting from 1:0
[07:54] <fabbione> i assume it means cpu0 core1 thread 0
[07:54] <braddr> a very reasonable guess
[07:55] <fabbione> 0:0>
[07:56] <braddr> and the post-post part:
[07:57] <braddr> Sun Fire T200, No Keyboard
[07:57] <braddr> Copyright 2005 Sun Microsystems, Inc.  All rights reserved.
[07:57] <braddr> OpenBoot 4.19.0, 8184 MB memory installed, Serial #68096096.
[07:57] <braddr> Ethernet address 0:14:4f:f:10:60, Host ID: 840f1060.
[07:57] <braddr> {0} ok
[07:57] <fabbione> thanks
[07:57] <fabbione> i think that's enough for now to look into it :)
[07:57] <fabbione> thanks a lot
[07:57] <fabbione> be sure you will hear from me very soon
[07:57] <braddr> no problem, glad to be of service.  The entire log is available here:  http://www.puremagic.com/~braddr/t2000/post.txt
[07:58] <fabbione> thanks a lot
[07:58] <fabbione> let's hope that's the right direction
[07:58] <braddr> it sounds like it's got potential, though I'd have expected the boot failure to be... considerably different
[07:59] <fabbione> no it's a bit more tedious than that
[07:59] <braddr> I'm sure it is. :)
[07:59] <fabbione> davem was mentioning this mornng about it
[07:59] <fabbione> same exact context
[07:59] <fabbione> now we have somekind of proof
[08:01] <braddr> I'm going to head to work now.  If you need me to run a test, feel free to send me mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS> I don't typically login to irc from there.
[08:01] <fabbione> ok thanks a lot
[08:01] <fabbione> i am waiting for davem to wake up
[08:02] <fabbione> but i have a pretty good idea
[08:02] <braddr> hahaha.. lazy bumb, we're in the same timezone!
[08:02] <fabbione> yeah but he goes to sleep at 3/4am to have a few hours overlapping with mine
[08:03] <braddr> anyway.. off to the salt mines.
[08:04] <fabbione> later
[08:09] <gnu2it2> working with an app that needs suns jdk 1.4 on a sparc box running the dapper port. what sdk do i get?
[08:12] <fabbione> gnu2it2: one step at a time :)
[08:12] <fabbione> we will get one
[08:13] <gnu2it2> does not exist.. yet ?
[08:16] <fabbione> sun doesn't make jdk 1.4 for sparc/linux yet
[08:16] <fabbione> so there cannot be pkgs for it
[08:16] <fabbione> and as i said.. one step at a time
[08:16] <fabbione> we will get them
[08:18] <gnu2it2> ok, back to the intel box,, thanks