[00:00] <bob123456> jesus my grammar sucks that late at night^^
[00:00] <Artemis3> but older games or games with simpler graphics or if you can lower graphic options... thinking tf2 should run fine for example
[00:01] <bob123456> jea tf2 should run rather nicely
[00:01] <bob123456> my next project is getting steam (and my windows games) running with wine
[00:02] <bob123456> interestingly the website https://packages.ubuntu.com you linked a while ago is terribly slow
[00:02] <bob123456> at least for me
[00:02] <Artemis3> for win only games you need to install steam for windows etc
[00:02] <Artemis3> its more complicated
[00:03] <bob123456> jea i looked it up before
[00:03] <bob123456> im just reducing the windows in our household :D
[00:03] <Artemis3> yes i can't open it atm, must be some problem
[00:03] <Artemis3> for each game you go to appdb wine page and check if its working or not
[00:04] <Artemis3> sometimes they work with some tweaks
[00:04] <Artemis3> or try playonlinux
[00:04] <Artemis3> which is a frontend of the same
[00:04] <bob123456> the only windows i cant get rid of is the one for updating the damn satnav
[00:04] <bob123456> yes, i tried it once for testing with world of tanks
[00:04] <Artemis3> there are ways too, with virtual machine and direct port access
[00:05] <Artemis3> install regular windows in virtual machine, give access to usb port, etc.
[00:05] <Artemis3> then you use it only for that purpose
[00:06] <Artemis3> there is vbox, vmware, qemu.. plenty of choices :)
[00:06] <bob123456> indeed, however most of our hardware is rather old and is lacking most virtualization support like vtx vtd and so on
[00:07] <Artemis3> thats not really important for such usage
[00:08] <bob123456> are you sure?
[00:09] <Artemis3> yes i play a lot with qemu :)
[00:09] <Artemis3> but most people find vbox easier to use
[00:09] <bob123456> i tried it once with a usb stick for testing purposes and it didnt work out to well
[00:09] <Artemis3> if you don't use it very often i guess you could still dual boot
[00:09] <bob123456> thats my current solution
[00:09] <bob123456> however
[00:10] <bob123456> it sucks security wise
[00:10] <Artemis3> indeed
[00:10] <bob123456> since windows has read/write access
[00:11] <bob123456> well not to my linux partitions (no ext-drivers ftw) but unfortunately the bootloader remains accessible
[00:14] <bob123456> well then thanks a lot artemis3, mrkramps and all the ones i might have forgotten :)
[00:14] <Artemis3> yw
[00:14] <mrkramps> you're welcome
[00:15] <bob123456> i think im gonna reinstall tomorrow or rather this morning :D to check those updates again
[00:15] <bob123456> im hooked now :D
[00:16] <bob123456> it was just so strange, that the software updater didnt show them
[00:16] <bob123456> lets see whether this can be reproduced :D
[00:17] <bob123456> have a nice day or good night (whatever timezone you are in)
[09:18] <xubuntu99d> Hi
[09:20] <xubuntu99d> I would like download Xubuntu 15.04
[09:20] <xubuntu99d> anyboby can help me?
[09:25] <flocculant> xubuntu99d: 15.04 is end of life and unsupported
[09:28] <xubuntu99d> really?
[09:29] <xubuntu99d> I had read That 15.04 was five years of support
[09:30] <flocculant> xubuntu99d: we support LTS for 3 years, currently 14.04 and 16.04, other releases - get 9 months
[09:30] <flocculant> do you mean 16.04 - the newest one?
[09:31] <xubuntu99d> 16.04 have some bug for me, something don't work correctly
[09:32] <xubuntu99d> I had distro upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04
[09:32] <xubuntu99d> but I have some prolems now
[09:32] <xubuntu99d> I want to back to 14.04 :)
[09:34] <flocculant> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/trusty/release/
[09:35] <xubuntu99d> Thank you so much
[09:35] <flocculant> welcome
[13:05] <bob123456_> hello, i tried to replicate something i stumbled over yesterday and i was sucessfull
[13:05] <bob123456_> the thing i stumbled across is the fact, that the softwarecenter and synaptic are offering package updates, that are not available by using the software updater app that comes prepacked in xubuntu
[14:11] <akis> hi all. i am running 14.04. my kernel is http://paste.ubuntu.com/16438715/ . I choosed kernel not to be updated, because i have a RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) and i faced some issues with newer kernels. Today I tried 16.04 live cd and i saw that the new kernel is very stable for this adapter. Is there any way to upgrade to this kernel using 14.04?
[15:24] <carrotcorn> Hi there! I'm running Ubuntu 15.10 with the Xfce desktop environment installed. Unlike with unity, I do not understand how workspaces (virtual desktops?) work in Xfce... How do I create new workspaces? I tried the workspaces option within the settings manager which didn't help at all. Upon increasing the number of workspaces under 'layout', nothing happens
[15:26] <carrotcorn> Nvm. Used Compiz
[15:26] <carrotcorn> Compiz FTW!!!
[15:27] <cm2> does anyone know what's the status for a fix on the disappearing mouse cursor after suspend/lock on 16.04?
[15:28] <cm2> i ask because i am experiencing a lot of graphical glitches on intel graphics ... gpu hangs, things dont render anymore etc. suspect i915.
[15:28] <cm2> also it takes like 10 seconds to suspend (again probl i915) vs 1 sec or less on 15.10
[15:29] <cm2> oh sna vs xna makes no difference on any symptom
[16:16] <bob123456_> anyone there? :)
[17:58] <eegore> Just did a fresh install if 16 lts, any quirks I should know of?
[17:59] <krytarik> eegore: Yes, please read the release notes.
[18:00] <eegore> I notice the stock install tends to leave out a lot of the deps for third party software
[18:01] <krytarik> Well, dependencies are just that.
[18:02] <eegore> one of the reasons I option for th xfce interfade rather than the kde is it is easier on the battery
[18:08] <eegore> I see multip desktops is not there
[18:10] <krytarik> Not enabled by default, no.
[18:11] <eegore> trying to find it
[18:12] <krytarik> Just add the Workspace Switcher to your panel, and go from there.
[18:12] <eegore> also setting it so the touchpad is ignored when a mouse is used
[18:17] <eegore> I do not see that option
[18:18] <krytarik> For the latter one?  Yeah, doesn't seem to be an option by default.
[18:19] <krytarik> There a various hits on a web search though.
[18:20] <eegore> I am trying to do it without a script that would cause an instability of intalling the KDE version
[18:22] <krytarik> Well, generally the deeper it anchors, the more it is likely to be common.
[18:23] <eegore> doing it with a bash script and python sounds a little dicey
[18:24] <drc> Removable Drives>Input Devices>Mice>Command = synclient TouchPadOff=1 woks for me.
[18:25] <drc> s/woks/works
[18:32] <eegore> where is that located
[18:35] <krytarik> eegore: That's a GUI path.
[19:47] <xubuntu55w> Hello
[19:47] <xubuntu55w> somebody can help me install usb wifi on xubuntu
[19:48] <xubuntu55w> Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter
[19:49] <xubuntu55w> This is TP -LINK model: TL-WN725N
[19:49] <xubuntu55w>  Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[22:49] <Majora320> Hello, world!
[22:50] <jannemann> jo
[22:50] <Majora320> I'm currently using Ubuntu and considering switching to Xubuntu, because I like the xcfe de better. Are there any major differences between Ubuntu & Xubuntu? (Besides the de & the default apps)
[22:53] <bazhang> its the same underall
[22:53] <Majora320> underall?
[22:53] <bazhang> it is the same under the DE etc
[22:54] <bazhang> clear?
[22:54] <Majora320> yeah
[23:06] <bekks> Majora320: All you need to do is: sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[23:09] <Majora320> bekks: ik but im switching computers soon from 32 to 64 bits so i thought id install xubuntu
[23:09] <Majora320> 64 bit
[23:31] <xubuntu170> hi
[23:31] <Windowpainz> hi everyone
[23:32] <Windowpainz> anyone here?
[23:32] <Ghostbexar> Howdy
[23:32] <Windowpainz> hi gostbexar
[23:32] <Windowpainz> is using an old release how do i get it to update to
[23:33] <Windowpainz> new
[23:33] <bazhang> which release
[23:33] <Windowpainz> the new 16.04
[23:33] <bazhang> the old release
[23:33] <Windowpainz> just installe voyager linux
[23:34] <Windowpainz> 13something
[23:34] <bazhang> thats not supported
[23:34] <Windowpainz> of course
[23:34] <knome> neither is any 13.x -> upgrade path
[23:34] <Windowpainz> dang
[23:34] <bazhang> so get a fresh 16.04
[23:34] <Windowpainz> used lili on a windows machine to make it
[23:35] <Windowpainz> went smooth but the download of voyager is old version
[23:35] <Windowpainz> but hey i am up and running linux and loving it
[23:36] <Windowpainz> old laptop had xp
[23:36] <Windowpainz> no vista
[23:36] <Majora320> what exactly should I do after 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'? uninstall some gnome/unity default apps?
[23:36] <bazhang> Majora320, select xubuntu in the login
[23:36] <Majora320> ah
[23:37] <Majora320> so it gives you a choice
[23:37] <Majora320> cool!
[23:37] <bazhang> Windowpainz, no need to mention voyager, fresh install 16.04
[23:52] <Majora320> I install xubuntu-desktop & rebooted, but my desktop just looks like unity w/ different colors
[23:52] <Majora320> and icons
[23:53] <Majora320> when I go to window manager settings in xfce settings manager, log output says 'These settings cannot work with your current window manager (Compiz)'
[23:59] <Majora320> oh nvm
[23:59] <Majora320> relogged and saw u do it in login screen


[00:05] <^robertj> is vlan0.0 a no-no?
[00:05] <^robertj> err br0.0
[00:06] <AndroidLoverInSF> i got postfix mail delievered to my maildir new folder alright. but when i type mail. it says i have no new mail. so what wrong and how to fix? ideas?
[00:10] <pmatulis> AndroidLoverInSF: well, evidently it's not looking for new mail in the right place
[00:11] <AndroidLoverInSF> im not a sysadmin. how to make it look in the right place
[00:14] <pmatulis> AndroidLoverInSF: i'm not sure, research it.  start with 'man mail'
[00:16] <greppy> AndroidLoverInSF: mail doesn't work with maildir, you might want to take a look at mutt to read mail in your maildir.
[00:19] <pmatulis> greppy: 'maildir' is all over *my* mail man page.  not sure which package is actually associated however
[00:19] <pmatulis> mailx?
[00:20] <pmatulis> i have heirloom-mailx package installed
[00:28] <AndroidLoverInSF> i used empathy to read it
[00:36] <AndroidLoverInSF> but now have problem sending mail.
[00:58] <deXire> hello :)
[00:59] <pmatulis> hello
[01:00] <deXire> I am new to Ubuntu server. I created a directory and set the CHMOD according to some tutorial, now I can access the web pages within that directory but only from within the server, I can't access them from any other computer
[01:01] <deXire> so, what's the problem ?
[01:11] <SpamapS> deXire: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[01:11] <SpamapS> deXire: that may be of help
[01:15] <deXire> it's not about apache, it's about te CHMOD code
[01:15] <deXire> I guess I don't know the one that allows access from other computers
[01:18] <kexman> hello ubuntu people
[01:18] <kexman> i run into a problem and wanted to ask if maybe someone knows a fix for it
[01:19] <kexman> i would like to use my phone as a usb2net adapter
[01:19] <kexman> its smart enough to make a nat and provide me internet using 3g or wifi
[01:19] <kexman> this worked as "plug and net" on system rescue cd
[01:20] <kexman> could this feature be someone be used on ubuntu-server ? its already installed everything is in place i booted it
[01:22] <twb> The only difference between desktop and server versions of Ubuntu is which packages are installed.
[01:23] <twb> If you can isolate which packages were providing you that functionality on the "system rescue cd", you can install them.
[01:23] <kexman> twb: how if i dont have net ? :P
[01:23] <kexman> maybe its on the cd ?
[01:23] <twb> sneakernet
[01:23] <kexman> hmm is it ? :) how did you found it ?
[01:24] <twb> No, "sneakernet" means you carry data from one place to another by walking instead of by data cable
[01:24] <kexman> twb: lol :)) haha okay
[01:24] <twb> e.g. on a usb key
[01:24] <kexman> twb: you know what :) ill just make my b43 work with wpa_supplicant :P
[01:25] <kexman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 yay for guides and tuts :P
[01:25]  * kexman is lazy
[01:25] <twb> Yes, well, broadcom are an enemy of your freedom
[01:25] <kexman> twb: nah its recognized
[01:25] <kexman> twb: you dont know how broadcom used to be :P
[01:25] <twb> Then it's just a normal wpa_supplicant setup.
[01:25] <kexman> bcm43 ndis b43legacy etc ....  pita compared to how you do it now :)
[01:25] <twb> kexman: I have twenty b43 routers...
[01:25] <kexman> twb: yes :)
[01:26] <twb> And you don't get NDIS on MIPS
[01:26] <kexman> twb: but image booting sysresc no wifi ... eeergh ... plug in phone connected to wifi = wow it works :)
[01:26] <kexman> twb: no you dont :P
[01:26] <kexman> there is wl :P
[01:26] <kexman> there used to be before b43 i guess
[01:26] <kexman> dunno not running my old openwrt linksys wrl54gl anymore
[01:26] <twb> kexman: that post you linked to is ridiculous
[01:26] <kexman> that was pretty cool :) putting openvpn and stuff like that on 4mb :P
[01:27] <kexman> twb: ridicoulous how ?
[01:27] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/120507/
[01:27] <kexman>  4. as the PSK is clear text, be sure to:
[01:27] <kexman> why not hash it ?
[01:28] <kexman> 1st line of what i posted does that , btw thanks :P
[01:28] <twb> kexman: because I'm lazy and it means I can look it up there later to give to someone else :-)
[01:29] <kexman> you know what i dont want hashed psk :P
[01:30] <kexman> know why ? :)
[01:30] <kexman> dont have gpm :P lol
[01:32] <kexman> baaah
[01:32] <kexman> firmware file ... blahb lahb not found
[01:32] <kexman> grrrr
[01:32] <kexman> hate it hate it , use phone via usb = love it love it :D
[01:33] <twb> gpm is for mice
[01:33] <twb> You seriously can't copy things without a mouse?
[01:33] <kexman> twb: give me net :)
[01:33] <kexman> twb: serious not what is posted on the console ... no ssh
[01:33] <twb> screen has copy and paste with ^[
[01:33] <kexman> yeah blame it on my lack of sed and such
[01:33] <kexman> huhhh
[01:33] <kexman> need to learn more about that :)
[01:34] <kexman> bah my screen usage is minimal ... still cant leave my terminal without it :D
[01:34] <kexman> screen usage minimial = knowledge of how to use it :P keep forgetting shortcuts :P
[01:36] <twb> Sounds like you need to print out a reference card and pin it over your desk
[01:36] <twb> Next to the nudie calendar
[01:36] <kexman> twb: btw should i had installed 10.04.2 ? im using 10.04 lts from the main site. but now i found out about : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid/daily/current/
[01:37] <twb> The third dot just means some security updates are already applied
[01:37] <twb> *third number
[01:37] <kexman> twb: ah , tought its more feature rich :P like make wifi work out of the box even for b43 users :P
[01:38] <twb> I suppose it also has -updates applied to it, so IN THEORY it might fix a b43 issue, but that is unlikely.
[01:39] <kexman> twb: sneakernet it shall be
[01:41] <kexman> oh wow
[01:41] <kexman> another great thing happened :(
[01:41] <kexman> plugged in my usb and it says unable to enumerate usb device on port 1
[01:42] <twb> Maybe should have done that first?
[01:42] <kexman> well i have windows on the other machine and that cant see my usb neither ... umf
[01:43] <kexman> but before that i just had booted from it and was running superbly :) just a very unclean mount
[01:43] <twb> Uhuh.
[01:43] <kexman> but clearly here the problem is not an unclean mount
[01:43] <kexman> but something else imho
[01:43] <twb> Perhaps the phone's USB socket is not in gadget mode
[01:44] <kexman> yay sdb is there :P plugged it into another socket :) crazy pc parts :P
[01:44] <kexman> yweah unplugged the phone as well
[01:45] <kexman> the thing is now i look at my installation and it uses 727 mb-s and i cant use my network :P lol
[01:45] <kexman> now i dont have a console mouse :P
[01:45] <kexman> nor i dont have any cigarettes baaah :)
[01:46] <kexman> also fdisk says partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundry :)
[01:46] <kexman> i have sda1 = /boot = primary + sda2 = extended + sda5 = linux LVM
[01:47] <kexman> all done by the install
[01:47] <kexman> whats that complaint about fdisk saying that part1 does not end on cylinder boundry ? twb any idea abot that ?
[01:47] <twb> Ignore that, fdisk is stupid.
[01:47] <kexman> haha
[01:47] <twb> Use gparted.
[01:47] <kexman> heared that before :P
[01:47] <twb> Er, GNU parted.
[01:47] <twb> gparted is the lame GUI
[01:47] <kexman> which is of course not installed into the 777 mb :P
[01:48] <kexman> what do i get for 777 mb ?
[01:48] <twb> NFI
[01:48] <kexman> i didnt select any package
[01:48] <kexman> dont even tell me about that
[01:48]  * kexman found tobacco ...
[01:48] <twb> If grep-dctrl is installed, you can ask it.
[01:48] <twb> grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd "  \n" | sort -n
[01:48] <twb> That will list installed packages by size.
[01:49] <kexman> no grep-status for me
[01:50] <twb> About 128MB will be kernel, another 200MB is ubuntu-minimal, and perhaps another 300MB for ubuntu-standard.
[01:50] <twb> That comes to 628MB, which is roughly what you said.  The remained might be /var/cache/apt/archives or similar.
[01:50] <kexman> onestly i hate top :P would like to see htop there instead :)
[01:51] <twb> File a bug report, then
[01:51] <kexman> minimal and standard dont contain what i need
[01:51] <kexman> :)
[01:51] <kexman> but i think im going to go minimal
[01:51] <kexman> and plug that damn cable :P
[01:51] <kexman> pitaaa
[01:51] <kexman> lazyness ftw :P
[01:52] <kexman> twb: okay not going to cry anymore about this, going to fix it :)
[01:52] <twb> That 300MB figure was too high; it includes some extra things like git and openssl blacklists.
[01:52] <kexman> ohh yayy fsck.vat /dev/sdb1 = long list + asking copy original to back ? copy backup to iriginal ? no action ? :) lol
[01:53] <kexman> i never used fsck.vat
[01:58] <kexman> twb: looky looky what i see in dmesg when pluggin in the phone under sysresc : rndis_host : usb0 balh blah mac address rndis device :)
[01:58] <kexman> so its something rndis stuff never header about that :P but it must be that
[01:59] <twb> I've stopped caring
[02:00] <kexman> lol :))))
[02:00] <kexman> twb: im downloading the fw and making wifi work on the laptop
[02:02] <sparc> Hmm is there a reason why dpkg might not be able to install a file, from a package?
[02:02] <sparc> error creating directory `./etc/vx/VxICS': No such file or directory
[02:02] <sparc> but since dpkg was running as root, i would think it would create it
[02:05] <sparc> n/m, my mistake in a control file.  sorry about that.
[02:12] <kexman> rndis ftw :D done :D fwcutter did the job :) in chroot :P
[02:13] <kexman> and thanks to you now twb i already have an ip on wlan0 ;) thanks a lot for that very short wpa_suppl setup :)
[02:19] <duli> I'm getting this when trying to install pecl xdiff. http://paste.ubuntu.com/630140/ What am I missing?
[02:19] <twb> kexman: you're welcome
[02:33] <twb> Yay, data loss
[02:34] <twb> When you replace collectd with an out-of-band copy and then "dpkg -P collectd-core", it deletes your databases
[02:34] <twb> Without asking
[02:36] <kexman> lol
[02:36] <kexman> twb: backup ?
[02:37] <twb> It deleted my backups, too
[02:38] <twb> Well, it deleted one layer of my backups.  I still have some offsite.
[02:41] <kexman> yay im on 10.04.2 already
[02:41] <kexman> with working wifi :D
[02:51] <kexman> why does virtualbox need kde stuff ?
[02:51] <kexman> ohh
[02:54] <qman__> pulling my hair out over this broken zoneminder
[02:55] <kexman> i followed this Debian-based Linux distributions on www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[02:55] <qman__> really wish there was a manual export function
[02:55] <qman__> poorly written web interfaces strike again
[02:58] <kexman> could anyone tell me why ubuntu needs to install a full blown kde to my box when i asked only for virtualbox ? :)
[02:59] <qman__> kexman, because virtualbox is not a headless software
[02:59] <qman__> and therefore requires X and all the bits that go with it
[02:59] <kexman> not that right now i have any problems with it , nice shiny kde yay :P was lazy to pull it :) got it anyway :p thanks :P but if id like to do this without x ?
[02:59] <kexman> aha qman__ hmm
[02:59] <kexman> qman__: soo even for not OSE virtualbox i need kde / x ?
[03:00] <qman__> unless they have a headless version now, but I don't think they do
[03:00] <qman__> if you want to run a virtual server, suggest KVM or vmware
[03:00] <kexman> qman__: there is this deb file http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/virtualbox-4.0_4.0.8-71778~Ubuntu~lucid_i386.deb
[03:00] <kexman> qman__: well id like to use virtualbox right now and no support for kvm :P
[03:01] <qman__> virtualbox is a desktop virtualization software
[03:01] <qman__> it's not designed to be run that way, so it depends on the GUI
[03:02] <kexman> qman__: how can i remove virtualbox and all its dependencys ?
[03:02] <kexman> would kde be removed then ?
[03:02] <qman__> yes
[03:02] <kexman> :(
[03:02] <qman__> apt-get purge virtualbox if you installed it that way
[03:02] <kexman> and thats it ?
[03:03] <qman__> then apt-get autoremove
[03:03] <kexman> that will wipe out everything that it has done ? no cruft remains ?
[03:03] <kexman> aha
[03:03] <kexman> okay that 2 and thats it ?
[03:03] <qman__> yes
[03:03] <kexman> would the install files still remain if i wish to install again ?
[03:03] <qman__> yes
[03:03] <qman__> in /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <qman__> until you apt-get clean
[03:03] <kexman> thank you
[03:04] <kexman> byebye kde
[03:04] <kexman> im stress testing my hdd :P
[03:05] <qman__> sorry if I'm coming off rude, I'm just frustrated
[03:05] <qman__> been trying to fix broken PHP for the last three hours to no avail
[03:05] <kexman> qman__: nah mah your helping out a lot really
[03:05] <kexman> !!
[03:05] <kexman> qman__: php is the devil :P
[03:06] <MrPPS> qman__: broken php app, or php itself?
[03:06] <kexman> it bites your 4$$
[03:06] <qman__> php app, zoneminder
[03:06] <qman__> 1.24.1 on ubuntu 9.10, old and unsupported
[03:06] <qman__> need to get some video out of it, so I can't just upgrade willy nilly
[03:07] <kexman> Linux mobile 2.6.32-28-generic-pae #55-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jan 10 22:34:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:07] <kexman> hmm kernel seemsa bit old :)
[03:07] <qman__> only three versions
[03:08] <qman__> you're running lucid, right?
[03:08] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/631167
[03:08] <kexman> qman__: 10.04.2 lts
[03:08] <qman__> yeah
[03:09] <qman__> that will stay 2.6.32
[03:09] <qman__> there's a few updates though, apt-get dist-upgrade to get them
[03:09] <twb> kexman: .32 is what Debian 6, Ubuntu 10.04 and RHEL6 all ship, so it's a damn good release to target.
[03:10] <qman__> if you want newer versions, you'll have to go bleeding edge
[03:13] <twb> FSVO bleeding edge =  non-LTS release
[03:17] <kexman> qman__: then i wouldnt be staying on 10.04 lts if id do dist-upgrade
[03:17] <kexman> right ?
[03:17] <kexman> i want 10.04 lts :)
[03:17] <qman__> no
[03:17] <kexman> thinking that the most sturdy
[03:17] <qman__> it's misleading
[03:18] <qman__> upgrade only upgrades packages
[03:18] <kexman> qman__: so when would i want to do dist-upgrade ?
[03:18] <qman__> dist-upgrade upgrades packages and installs new packages
[03:18] <twb> kexman: it's easier to understand if you call them "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade", as aptitude does.
[03:18] <qman__> since the newer linux kernel is technically a new package, you need it
[03:18] <twb> safe-upgrade will not remove or install new packages; full-upgrade will do so if the upgrade requires it
[03:18] <qman__> to go off 10.04 you would need to 'do-release-upgrade', which is completely different
[03:19] <kexman> aha
[03:19] <twb> For example, if an upgrade will replace libfoo0 with libfoo1, only full-upgrade will do it, safe-upgrade will skip it.
[03:19] <kexman> well distupgrade does a kernel update from 32-28 to 32-32
[03:19] <kexman> so prolly ill take it :)
[03:19] <kexman> its not unsafe right ?
[03:19] <kexman> its still stable ?
[03:19] <qman__> yes
[03:19] <qman__> the reason for the differentiation is that it's possible to break some compatibility when changing packages like that
[03:19] <twb> If your primary concern is system stability, you should stick to LTS, safe-upgrade, and full-upgrade.
[03:20] <qman__> so said upgrades should only be done with the admin sitting in front of the box
[03:20] <twb> Yep
[03:20] <kexman> qman__: im doing that right now
[03:20] <qman__> so they can be undone if anything breaks
[03:20] <twb> For example I upgraded from 2.6.32-31 to 2.6.32-32 and my entire VM system was broken
[03:20] <kexman> twb: oooo
[03:20] <twb> And this happened on a sunday after a pwoer outage
[03:20] <kexman> not nice
[03:21] <qman__> typical systems don't have issues with them, but complicated setups or certain softwares can
[03:21] <qman__> so they don't get automatically selected
[03:22] <kexman> yay
[03:22] <kexman> lxde = very nice
[03:27] <twb> Certainly that failure was atypical, but it was fucking annoying and it was last week
[03:27] <twb> So I am still grumpy about it
[03:28] <qman__> I feel that
[03:28] <qman__> I now have to explain to a non-computer person why it's been four days and I still don't have his video
[03:30] <twb> qman__: lens cap was on
[03:30] <qman__> heh
[03:30] <qman__> I know it's in there, because I can view it through the java thing, but I can't get it out
[03:30] <twb> ugh, java
[03:30] <qman__> and since none of the fast forward/resize/pause functions actually work, it's fairly useless like that
[03:31] <twb> At least you don't have to deal with bloody video evidence programs
[03:32] <qman__> as bad as this is, it's still not as bad as the proprietary system my dad got
[03:33] <qman__> the videos from that won't play back on anything except the DVR, period
[03:33] <kexman> qman__: i just installed vbox binary without kde, yet to see how it works , will keep you posted
[03:34] <qman__> at least with this, if I put enough time into it, I will eventually get the videos out
[03:35] <kexman> qman__: hehe : VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: dlopen("/opt/VirtualBox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:36] <qman__> I tried just dropping the current web interface on, but that didn't work
[03:36] <qman__> complained about some external dependencies and broke some header functions
[03:36] <twb> kexman: vbox can FOAD; I recommend kvm (poss. w/libvirt for GUI)
[03:36] <kexman> FOAD ?
[03:37] <kexman> twb: no hw virtualization , all tough intel site claims that t2080 has it, it doesnt :( no bios switch neither , i checked
[03:37] <kexman> so no kvm for me
[03:37] <qman__> the expansion of that abbreviation is not permitted in this channel, suggest google, or the program 'wtf'
[03:38] <twb> kexman: kvm supports paravirtualization
[03:38] <twb> kexman: admittedly it's pretty slow
[03:38] <qman__> kvm needs VT, but the qemu engine doesn't
[03:38] <qman__> and now they're basically combined
[03:38] <twb> Right, sorry, I meant kvm-the-program (i.e. qemu), not kvm-the-kernel-module
[03:39] <qman__> but yes, it's very slow
[03:39] <twb> qman__: I noticed recently someone wrote a new userspace to replace qemu w/kvm
[03:39] <qman__> don't expect to do much
[03:39] <twb> Stupid oracle
[03:39] <qman__> nice
[03:39] <qman__> yeah, they ruined a lot of things
[03:40] <kexman> twb: i dont need sound for the vm-s anyway :)
[03:40] <kexman> ill be building server vm-s :)
[03:40] <kexman> no sound needed
[03:40] <kexman> vboxmanage works wonderfully without that
[03:41] <kexman> and the little X i need lxde gives it fully :)
[03:41] <twb> I wish httpd log file format was not so retarded
[03:41] <twb> Why are developers never smart enough to use RFC 3339?
[03:41] <qman__> I've been sifting through apache logs with my issue too
[03:41] <twb> kexman: if you are running X on a server you are doing it wrong
[03:41] <qman__> with about a 30-line URI
[03:41] <qman__> every other log line
[03:42] <twb> qman__: yuk
[03:42] <twb> qman__: one of the apps here, it includes an email body in the URL
[03:42] <twb> I cringe every time I see it
[03:42] <qman__> even without the ridiculous URI, it's far from human-readable
[03:43] <kexman> Successfully installed "Oracle VM VirtualBox Extension Pack".
[03:43] <kexman> i love CLI :D
[03:46] <qman__> at this point I'm considering screencapping the java applet while it plays through
[03:46] <qman__> because it might actually take less time
[03:49] <twb> Yeah, you do that then run mplayer on the actual video URL
[03:49] <twb> BTDTBTTS
[04:34] <diorahman> 11.04 server is great?
[04:36] <twb> No, because it isn't LTS
[04:36] <twb> IMO avoid non-LTS releases for any production (or at least mission-critical) systems
[04:39] <amero> what's the next lts?
[04:39] <kexman> 10.04.3 ? :P
[04:39] <twb> May 2012
[04:40] <twb> Er, April?
[04:40] <twb> Whatever the fourth month is
[04:42] <robbiew> 12.04 is the next LTS
[04:47] <kexman> twb: its easy if you remember the 3rd one :P
[05:08] <josePhoenix> Can I upgrade from a non-LTS release to an LTS release?
[05:08] <josePhoenix> I'm considering using a more recent release and then upgrading to the next LTS release before I graduate and pass on management of this server.
[05:12] <luite> yeah it's just a new release, upgrading is the same
[05:12] <twb> josePhoenix: if it's lower, yes
[05:12] <twb> You can't upgrade from 11.04 to 10.04, for example :-)
[05:14] <luite> josePhoenix: I often do the same for servers that require lots of new versions of programs
[05:15] <josePhoenix> alright, thanks twb and luite
[05:15] <josePhoenix> I figured I couldn't upgrade backwards ;]
[05:46] <amero> does anyone have a recommendation for a socks5 proxy server software? preferably one that is simple and small
[05:47] <amero> but most importantly it must be able to accept incoming connections
[05:50] <w00> http://www.inet.no/dante/
[05:51] <twb> amero: polipo
[05:52] <twb> amero: and ssh
[05:55] <amero> i've already tried ssh socks but i couldn't get it to accept incoming connections and forward them back to me
[05:55] <twb> Dunno, sorry
[05:56] <twb> I don't use socks myself
[06:03] <luite> what's the correct place to allow port forwarding to a kvm virtual machine running with a nat network? I have the port forwarding rules in place, but somehow libvirt adds other rules that drop this traffic
[06:06] <twb> luite: in the kvm command line
[06:07] <twb> Oh, you're using libvirt
[06:07] <twb> pastebin the output of iptables-save -c (while everything is running)
[06:08] <luite> oh I know how to get it working, but that involves removing two rules manually
[06:08] <luite> -A FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
[06:08] <luite> and another with -i virbr0
[06:09] <luite> but now I need to know what to tell libvirt so that it doesn't insert them in the first place:)
[06:09] <twb> luite: talk to #virt about that (on OFTC IIRC)
[06:12] <luite> twb: thanks, I've asked it there
[06:21] <luite> but anyone here who knows the answer is welcomed to tell me, since it's rather quiet there :p
[07:04] <CrummyGummy> Hiya, Does Ubuntu still use the interfaces file for IP configuration?
[07:07] <greppy> CrummyGummy: yes.
[07:12] <twb> CrummyGummy: yes, unless NM is in charge
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> greppy, twb thanks
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> It says /etc/init.d/networking restart is disabled. What is the alternative
[07:14] <CrummyGummy> ?
[07:15] <twb> What are you trying to do?
[07:16] <CrummyGummy> twb: restart networking from the cli
[07:17] <CrummyGummy> after changing the configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces
[07:18] <twb> What I would do is "ifdown foo; ifup foo", where foo is the one you changed
[07:19] <twb> As at lucid, my records indicate that there is an /etc/init.d/networking and a "restart networking", and either should work.
[07:20] <twb> The former is just a wrapper around the latter
[07:24] <luite> hmm it looks like those iptables rules are hardcoded :(
[07:30] <twb> yeah virt is a bit of a bitch about such things
[07:31] <twb> http://bugs.debian.org/625288
[07:32] <twb> If I didn't have users, I would just run kvm by hand and bugger this privilege escalation infrastructure that virt provides
[07:35] <luite> :)
[07:53] <CrummyGummy> twb: Thanks
[07:53] <luite> twb: I've got it working now, by switching from forward mode='nat' to ='route', which has a less restrictive set of iptables rules. I now need to add the MASQUERADE rules manually (if pre-up script), but that's not really a problem in my setup
[08:00] <twb> luite: thanks for letting me know
[08:01] <twb> atm I'm only using bridge-mode networking so I don't have any issues
[08:01] <twb> That and KVM's built-in NAT layer ("user mode networking")
[08:03] <luite> ah I have a dedicated server with only one IP address so I think I need NAT. didn't know about user mode networking though :)
[08:04] <twb> luite: it's not for servers unless you're prepared to do some dancing
[08:04] <twb> For VMs that initiate (cf. accept) connections, it's fine
[08:04] <twb> e.g. you can install ubuntu that way
[08:05] <luite> ah
[08:44] <rump> i can use postfix to receive mail outside of localhsot also?  or do i need to install sendmail for that
[08:45] <luite> no, postfix is a full fledged mailserver
[08:46] <luite> but you need to have port 25 reachable, and probably point some DNS MX record to your server
[08:46] <rump> its only bound to 25 on localhost
[08:47] <rump> not from remote
[08:48] <luite> probably some setting in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[08:49] <luite> inet_interfaces or smtp_bind_address
[08:49] <shauno> most likely inet_interfaces.  but I'd recommend walking thru https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html  rather than opening the default configuration to the net
[08:51] <rump> thats the one ive been following, hrm
[09:26] <rump> ah, my isp is blocking outgoing 25
[09:26] <greppy> that's pretty common.
[09:27] <twb> Some ISPs have a web form to let you opt out of that
[09:27] <greppy> as someone that works for an ISP that blocks 25, you would be amazed at the number of SPAM complaints we DON'T get anymore after doing that.
[09:28] <twb> I am all in favour of blocking it by default
[09:29] <twb> At least until users stop running windows
[09:30] <greppy> that's never going to happen.
[09:30] <greppy> and even if/when it does, os x is now a valid target, and lots of the people that run that think they are invulnerable.
[09:31] <rump> any os for that matter
[09:40] <twb> Yeah, you're right, the fundamental problem is the users
[09:40] <twb> Because they will basically REQUIRE that the popular OS sacrifice security for convenience
[09:41] <twb> Or they will agree to bypass the security infrastructure out of stupidity, as we've seen a lot recently on android.
[10:02] <shauno> it doesn't really matter what blocks are put in place, as long as all it takes to get someone to add their sudo password the the process, is an authorative sounding webpage
[12:31] <rump> whats the easy/simple ubuntu php/etc mail application?
[12:34] <greppy> rump: http://froxlor.org is pretty easy to setup.
[13:06] <airtonix> roundmail?
[13:06] <airtonix> or is it called roundcube?
[13:07] <kexman> its cube
[13:11] <patdk-wk> roundcube? that is an oxymoron
[13:11] <kexman> and a mail client :P
[13:11] <patdk-wk> heh
[13:11] <patdk-wk> I kind of like horde better
[13:12] <kexman> horde ? :) nah i stick with alliance :P hehe
[13:12] <greppy> heh
[13:15] <plm> Hi all
[13:16] <plm> people, ubuntu server start but show just few lines and after show login, I would like that will show everything that happen in boot process without mask.. is possible?
[13:18] <patdk-wk> not really, no
[13:18] <patdk-wk> you have to get ride of plymouth, cause it wipes the screen
[13:21] <plm> patdk-wk: do you think that for server that "clean" screen boot is better?
[13:21] <patdk-wk> nope
[13:21] <plm> I was thinking a verbose and detail boot better
[13:21] <patdk-wk> but I have been unable to do it, and keep the server booting
[13:22] <patdk-wk> but also, I never look at the boot screen, so doesn't matter too much
[13:22] <plm> patdk-wk: maybe are there a configuration to change for verbose/detail boot process..
[13:22] <plm> anyone know?
[13:22] <kexman> i love how fast ubuntu server boots up
[13:22] <patdk-wk> plm, nope
[13:23] <plm> kexman: yes, I too :-) but a more detail boot process not will change speed of boot
[13:23] <plm> *me too
[13:23] <patdk-wk> plm, it does :)
[13:24] <patdk-wk> cause startup messages from different programs would be intermixed with each other
[13:25] <plm> patdk-wk: well, so just a log after boot id administrator need to see..
[13:25] <plm> patdk-wk: don't need to show, just save to log..
[13:49] <Ursinha> good morning
[13:58] <zul> Daviey: can you have a look at bug #757258 please?
[14:12] <zul> hey Ursinha
[14:12] <zul> RoAkSoAx: can you have a look at 799711 its cluster related.
[14:26] <TREllis> Do I remember someone mentioning a cache pre-popluation script before? ie prepopulate a deb-squid-proxy with all ubuntu packages required for an install
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> bug #799711
[14:39] <RoAkSoAx> zul yeah that was on my todo list fpr tpday though seems error of the admin when building up the cludter
[14:40] <zul> RoAkSoAx: cool beans
[15:12] <raubvogel> bind9 on 11.04 is *not* compiled with gssapi enabled, right?
[15:25] <jamespage> zul: hey - got time to sponsor one of my jenkins uploads?
[15:25] <zul> otp perhaps after
[15:25] <jamespage> zul: great
[15:27] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: ditto my question to zul - do you have time to sponsor an upload for a new jenkins dependency?
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage:
[15:28] <RoAkSoAx> give me a sec
[15:28] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: cool - thanks
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage:
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok
[15:42] <RoAkSoAx> point me to it
[15:42] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: branch is here - lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/jenkins-crypto-util
[15:43] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I've written a few note here about sponsoring these packages - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Jenkins/JenkinsUbuntuTracker
[15:43] <jamespage> needs a few things you might not have installed.
[15:45] <RoAkSoAx> cool thanks
[15:51] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: what package contains /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/maven.mk
[15:52] <jamespage> maven-debian-helper
[15:52] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: hehe thanks
[15:54] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: looking good so far, you might wanna consider bumping the standards version though
[15:56] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: I thought 3.9.2 was latest?
[15:58] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: lol never mind, I misread and thought it was 3.9.1  :)
[16:05] <zul> jamespage: you wanted me to upload something?
[16:05] <jamespage> zul: sure do - lp:~hudson-ubuntu/+junk/jenkins-executable-war
[16:06] <zul> jamespage: its been reviewed?
[16:06] <jamespage> zul: only by me
[16:13] <fortisv> hello all
[16:14] <fortisv> anyone here know anything about mysql-server-5.1 socket bind errors when attempting remote access?
[16:15] <zul> jamespage: done
[16:15] <jamespage> zul: ta
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: jenkins-crypto-util: unused-override missing-classpath libcommons-io-java
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: do you get the same?
[16:21] <jamespage> no - it correctly detects it as overridden
[16:22] <jamespage> lemme just check my chroot is up-to-date
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: might be me as i'm running natty atm...
[16:22] <RoAkSoAx> reinstalling oneiric on other machines
[16:23] <jamespage> that would be it: thats a new check in lintian for oneiric
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok then
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> looks good to me
[16:25] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: great
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: hold one "/usr/share/maven-repo/org/jenkins-ci/crypto-util/1.1/crypto-util-1.1-javadoc.jar"
[16:27] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: just making sure it is a doc :)
[16:27] <jamespage> yes - is a jar containing the Java API docs for the library
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: ok cool
[16:28] <RoAkSoAx> uploading then
[16:28] <jamespage> RoAkSoAx: thankyou
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> jamespage: thank you for all the Java work lol :)
[16:30] <zul> jamespage: i expect to see you have less hair then me next week otherwiese you arent working hard enough ;)
[16:30] <jamespage> zul: its falling out in handfuls at the moment
[16:31] <zul> jamespage: good good
[16:58] <jamespage> ubuntu-server team meeting starts in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting if anyone is interested....
[17:07] <queso> Is it ever appropriate for a lucid server to have jaunty ppa's listed in its sources.list?
[17:07] <patdk-wk> queso, doubt it
[17:08] <queso> Also, is there a place that would indicate a dist-upgrade has been performed?
[17:08] <patdk-wk> unless you are doing something like wanting to run an older version of php
[17:08] <queso> patdk-wk: ok
[17:08] <patdk-wk> hmm, dist-upgrades should happen all the time
[17:08] <patdk-wk> mainly to patch your kernel
[17:08] <patdk-wk> or do you mean, release upgrades?
[17:08] <queso> patdk-wk: yes, sorry
[17:11] <queso> Is there a way to know that a release upgrade had been performed? :)
[17:12] <patdk-wk> dunno
[17:21] <queso> When I run sudo aptitude update, I get "401  Unauthorized [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]" error messages.  What does that mean?
[17:25] <Pici> queso: For which source lines are you getting that message?
[17:26] <queso> Pici: I think all of them.
[17:26] <queso> Originally I thought it was because port 80 is blocked, but doing telnet us.archive.ubuntu.com 80 works.
[17:27] <queso> Pici: actually, it must be that port 80 is blocked, because when I do wget http://www.google.com/ I get the same error.
[17:27] <Pici> queso: yuck
[17:28] <queso> Pici: someone else will have to fix that before I can update the server :)
[17:28] <Pici> queso: Good good.  Blaming other people means less work for you ;)
[17:32] <queso> Now on a completely different server, where wget http://www.google.com/ works, I'm getting:  Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Could not resolve '' [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[17:34] <queso> I don't think it's DNS because I can ping names.  Ideas?
[17:36] <Pici> queso: does: dig us.archive.ubuntu.com    work?
[17:37] <queso> Pici: the answer section provides numerous IPs, so yes.  (I don't know much about networking)
[17:39] <Pici> queso: Can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[17:42] <queso> Pici: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/630462/  So I know the jaunty ppa's at the bottom shouldn't be there -- but even when I comment them out and try sudo apt-get update, it still gives me the same errors.
[17:43] <Pici> queso: hmm.. very odd.
[17:44] <queso> Pici: Something with the networking?
[17:44] <queso> Pici: Since I know so little about networking, if that's what it is, I'll punt to a co-worker. :)
[17:45] <Pici> queso: I'd wager its networking related.
[17:45] <queso> Pici: okay, thanks for your help.
[18:22] <Darkasakerionz> Hola, tengo un vps, al que le he instalado ubuntu server, el problema es que los backups solo los puedo hacer con rsync. Lo que querría conseguir en crear una imagen de la distro y los archivos de configuración para instalarlo en un virtualbox sin perder los permisos y los usuarios de dicho vps.
[18:22] <Darkasakerionz> Alguien sabe alguna forma de conseguir esto?. Gracias
[18:23] <Darkasakerionz> ups! English channel, sorry :P
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> Hello, I have a VPS, which I have
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> ubuntu server installed, the problem
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> backups is that I can only
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> do with rsync. What I would like
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> get to create an image of the
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> distro and files
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> configuration for installation on a
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> virtualbox without losing the permissions and
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> users of the VPS.
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: hey
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> Anyone know any way to do this?. thanks
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: you are talking too fast.
[18:24] <Darkasakerionz> SpamapS, sorry, it's the google translator
[18:24] <SpamapS> Darkasakerionz: Heh, ok. :)
[18:52] <Duvrazh> Hello, I just set my Ubuntu Server 11.04 to static ip and I can no longer ssh by hostname, only by ip address. This is behavior typical? Can connection by hostname be re-enabled?
[18:53] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping
[18:53] <Duvrazh> ssh: connect to host duvrazh-ms port 22: No route to host
[18:53] <Ursinha> Duvrazh: if there's a way of your computer to translate the name to the ip, so yes
[18:53] <Ursinha> by /etc/hosts or so
[18:53] <Duvrazh> I just manually edited /etc/network/interfaces
[18:53] <Duvrazh> is it possible I did it wrong?
[18:54] <Duvrazh> It worked fine while it was a dhcp client
[18:54] <Ursinha> Duvrazh: try to ping the name and see if it's resolving the ip
[18:54] <Duvrazh> ok
[18:54] <Ursinha> I believe you've already tried that...
[18:54] <Duvrazh> it's pinging the old ip address
[18:54] <Ursinha> that's why
[18:55] <Duvrazh> delete the lease?
[18:55] <Ursinha> you must have it set somewhere
[18:55] <RoyK> Duvrazh: does 'ifconfig -a' report that address bound to a nic?
[18:56] <Duvrazh> duvrazh@Duvrazh-MS:~$ ifconfig -a eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:25:22:7c:c5:12             inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>           inet6 addr: fe80::225:22ff:fe7c:c512/64 Scope:Link           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1           RX packets:148175 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0           TX packets:259049 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[18:57] <Duvrazh> it 'appears' fine to me but I don't have an expert eye
[18:57] <Duvrazh> I deleted dhcp lease from router and now ping completely fails
[18:57] <Duvrazh> I'm not resolving the hostname somewhere....
[18:58] <RoyK> !pastebin
[18:58] <Ursinha> well, I might be talking nonsense, but you need to tell your computer that that name refers to the ip
[18:58] <Ursinha> in /etc/hosts, for instance
[18:58] <RoyK> looks right, and can you ping that IP address?
[18:58] <Ursinha> or make use of the avahi thing, machine.local
[18:58] <Ursinha> assuming it all uses ubuntu
[18:59]  * RoyK is confused and finds something better to do
[18:59] <Duvrazh> yeah pinging the address returns normal results
[18:59] <Duvrazh> can I get ubuntu server to broadcast the hostname?
[18:59] <Duvrazh> I'm assuming that's what it did as a dhcp client
[18:59] <RoyK>  L
[19:00] <RoyK> NO, IT WILL NOT BROADCAST ITS HOSTNAME
[19:00] <Duvrazh> RoyK: nothing is better than troubleshooting computers ;)
[19:00] <RoyK> that's something BAD protocols like NetBIOS/NETBEUI/SFX does
[19:00] <RoyK> Duvrazh: you register the hostname at a DNS server
[19:00] <RoyK> or you hardcode it in /etc/hosts
[19:00] <RoyK> both along with the IP address
[19:01] <rump> how can i tease the original configuration files out of a package?
[19:01] <RoyK> rump: just unpack the package manually
[19:02] <Duvrazh> RoyK&Ursinha: You've given me good pointers, thank you
[19:02] <RoyK> !guide
[19:02] <rump> no spiffy apt way eh
[19:03] <RoyK> rump: not that I know
[19:03] <RoyK> Duvrazh: one thing is troubleshooting, questions about that is ok, but asking NOOB questions about DNS will give you answers like "RTFM"
[19:03] <rump> whats that package that version controls etc
[19:04] <rump> nvm, etckeeper
[19:04] <RoyK> rump: dpkg -S filename
[19:04] <RoyK> should list the right package
[19:05] <Ursinha> well, I'd never say "RTFM" in an Ubuntu channel, hehe
[19:05] <rump> RoyK: perfect, thank you!
[19:07] <ph8> Does anyone use tape drives here? I can't do a tar -xf /dev/st0 and in the debug log I see "st0: Current: sense key: Not Ready\n Additional sense: Operator medium removal request <-- any ideas wtf this means? :p
[19:07] <rump> usr/share/ keeps a copy of it all
[19:08] <RoyK> ph8: I don't use tapes much, but if you want to do so, I'd strongly recommend using something like Bacula instead of just tar
[19:08] <RoyK> !bacula
[19:08] <RoyK> !guide
[19:09] <ph8> interesting!
[19:09] <RoyK> ph8: we use bacula at work for disk-based backup with some 214TB of storage
[19:10] <RoyK> works like a charm :)
[19:10] <ph8> i'm unlikely to replace this ancient system tbh
[19:10] <ph8> but bacula is a good reference for a new box
[19:10] <RoyK> mhm
[19:10] <ph8> i was hoping to use some snazzy mt command to find out why my tape drive is being retarded
[19:10] <ph8> i get xrealloc errors when running a backup script that has worked for months, and the tape is changed daily
[19:11] <RoyK> tried with another tape just to see if the tape itself may be the problem?
[19:11] <ph8> yep it's been going on for two weeks and tape rotations have been happening as normal
[19:11] <ph8> mt -f /dev/st0 status says:
[19:11] <ph8> drive type = 114
[19:11] <RoyK> or perhaps you need to clean the drive
[19:11] <ph8> drive status =<PHONE_NUMBER>
[19:11] <ph8> aha
[19:11] <ph8> how does one clean a drive?
[19:11] <ph8> physically? or is there a command you can send normally
[19:11] <RoyK> use a cleaning tape
[19:12] <ph8> i'm going to try rebooting the (up for 3 years) machine and then a cleaning tape will  be my next stop, thanks for the tip!
[19:12] <RoyK> 3y uptime is sad to lose :P
[19:13] <DrNick_> 3 years? what happened to security updates?
[19:13] <RoyK> I doubt a reboot will help, though, if it's been running for that long
[19:13] <RoyK> DrNick_: no reason for security updates if running on a secure network
[19:13] <ph8> The linux admin who used to work here was a retard
[19:13] <ph8> maybe that's harsh, he could be in this channel :-o
[19:13] <ph8> this box is still running intrepid
[19:13] <DrNick_> if it's connected to the internet it's hardly a secure network
[19:13] <RoyK> ph8: the 'former admin' usually is when the new one takes over :D
[19:14] <ph8> ;)
[19:14] <ph8> i'm just a developer who now runs the linux boxes
[19:14] <ph8> should never have mentioned that i run ubuntu at home!
[19:14] <DrNick_> heheh
[19:14] <RoyK> but why oh why - intrepid?
[19:14] <RoyK> hardy I'd understood
[19:14] <ph8> indeed
[19:15] <ph8> lts i wouldn't have a problem with
[19:15] <RoyK> I can be rather concervative/paranoid my self (15 years of sysadmining takes its toll)
[19:15] <DrNick_> RoyK: you call yourself paranoid yet say there's no need for security updates if your network is secuire?
[19:16] <ph8> depends on the role of the server right
[19:16] <ph8> this servers firewall didn't even let it contact the security update servers when i took it over ;)
[19:16] <ph8> and that's behind the corporate firewall
[19:16] <ph8> a firewall behind a firewall :)
[19:16] <RoyK> DrNick_: most machines won't try to access the network out there - not without a gui
[19:17] <RoyK> DrNick_: so 99,99+% or so of servers inside a firewalled network should be perfectly secure, given you have good antivirus on your windoze machines
[19:17] <DrNick_> its not machines trying to access the net i'd be worried about, depending on the size of the org there are plenty of other factors, such as, internal attacks.  but no matter
[19:18] <ph8> lulzsec for example ;)
[19:18] <RoyK> DrNick_: a sysadmin still using tar to backup stuff to a single tape drive quite possibly isn't administering a 1k user network :þ
[19:19] <RoyK> or perhaps "certainly" is the word
[19:19] <DrNick_> possibly not, possibly so depending on what the machine does
[19:19] <ph8> with the cleaning tape, you just put it in and it works its magic?
[19:19] <RoyK> DrNick_: you never can say you lost an argument, can you?
[19:19] <RoyK> ph8: most backup software do cleaning automatically (with a changer/robot)
[19:19] <RoyK> never tried it manually
[19:20] <DrNick_> i.e. you'd think not if what they're backing up is user data/files, but if they're just backing up a database or something, might be different
[19:20] <RoyK> DrNick_: and the moon still might be of cheese...
[19:20] <DrNick_> i'm certainly happy to loose an argument when I'm wrong ;)
[19:20] <RoyK> DrNick_: you're wrong
[19:20] <RoyK> so stop it
[19:21] <ph8> ah it's not user data
[19:21] <ph8> just server config, svn repositories
[19:21] <ph8> and such
[19:22] <RoyK> "just" svn repositories :)
[19:22] <DrNick_> exactly.  anyway, that aside, we've recently switched to backup-to-disk at work... loving it so far.  so nice not to have to faff around with stuck tapes etc
[19:22] <RoyK> I'd guess you want to keep those
[19:22] <ph8> old unused subversion repositories ;)
[19:22] <ph8> this is all really legacy stuff
[19:23] <RoyK> oh, so a full backup a year and incrementals every 6 months? ;)
[19:23] <ph8> ha
[19:23] <RoyK> heh - I forgot you were using tar
[19:24] <RoyK> no incremental support there, last I checked :P
[19:24] <RoyK> ph8: try to dig into Bacula - get an openindiana machine with a bunch of el cheapo 1TB drives and you should be set :P
[19:25] <DrNick_> we have a couple of systems like that, where the backup schedule is more or less 'when i get around to it', for stuff it wouldn't be the end of the world if we lost
[19:25]  * RoyK has started to backup *everything* with bacula
[19:25] <patdk-wk> heh, I have a few like that
[19:25] <RoyK> incremental daily, differential monthly and full yearly...
[19:26] <patdk-wk> systems that are old legacy systems, just incase we need something, but really are hardly even on the network
[19:26] <zul> RoAkSoAx: pong
[19:26]  * RoyK has a 10yo HP/UX system like that
[19:27] <DrNick_> commercial *nix systems do tend to hang-in-there
[19:27] <RoyK> even some linux machines tend to do that
[19:28] <patdk-wk> if they where made before the taiwanese capacitor issue :)
[19:28] <RoyK> (or did, we're trying to slaughter them still, or at least I am)
[19:28] <RoyK> patdk-wk: what was that? electrolytes with cheap materials?
[19:28] <DrNick_> patdk-wk: haha yes very true
[19:28] <patdk-wk> they stole a bad formula from japan
[19:29] <patdk-wk> they where *ok* for like a year or so
[19:29] <patdk-wk> you don't remember all the hp/dell/ibm/... computers going bad?
[19:29] <RoyK> not really, when was this?
[19:29] <patdk-wk> pretty much anything that didn't use solid capacitors
[19:29] <patdk-wk> like 2005-2008
[19:29] <RoyK> so electrolytes
[19:29] <patdk-wk> ya
[19:30] <DrNick_> maybe about 2/3 of the 600 or so desktop's in the school I work at died before they should of done and were replaced because of that at the time
[19:30] <RoyK> it takes a man to make a solid 470uF capacitor that fits into a small PSU
[19:31] <RoyK> or some mFs
[19:31] <patdk-wk> http://www.islandit.im/main.asp?NewsID=203&NewsCatID=4
[19:33] <DrNick_> ^^ this, also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
[19:33] <RoAkSoAx> zul: never mind :) found the fix already
[19:33] <zul> oh ok
[19:34] <amero> if you install a dep library for an app that you compile from source, does ubuntu know that you don't need that dep library anymore after you remove that app?
[19:35] <DrNick_> it has no way of knowing if you built the app from source
[19:35] <amero> hmm
[19:37] <RoyK> s/uvirtbot/idiobot/
[19:37] <DrNick_> i'd imagine tho that if you also decided to build the library from source then it'd be included in any 'make uninstall' routines
[19:44] <zul> Daviey: ipxe done
[19:56] <sbalneav> Hello.  I'm having trouble with 10.04.1 x64 setting up software raid.  I'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/advanced-installation.html to the letter, with 2 drive each with 2 primary partitions, with md0 (swap) on /dev/sd[ab]1 and md1 (root) on /dev/sd[ab]2.  Installation proceeds normally, but after a reboot, I'm dumped to an initramfs prompt which complains that it can't mount /dev, /sys, or /proc.  Any clues?
[19:58] <RoyK> sbalneav: try adding a small /boot partition as as[ab]1
[19:58] <RoyK> then add the swap (since the start of the drive is faster, you want swap in the front) and then use equal sized partitions in the end for the root
[19:59] <RoyK> or other partitions - if you want users on the server, make a separate /home
[20:00] <sbalneav> RoyK: But the installation guide doesn't say I need a /boot.  Is this a bug with the raid?
[20:01] <RoyK> sbalneav: not necessarily, but at least for older hardware, an initial /boot device helps things a bit
[20:02] <RoyK> sbalneav: try that first - a small (100MB-1GB) partition for the boot
[20:02] <RoyK> then swap, then the rest, all in pairs
[20:02] <RoyK> sbalneav: I'm using that sort of setup by default and I haven't hit an issue yet (with 8.04 and 10.04)
[20:03] <sbalneav> This is a brand new server, twin 500gb drives.
[20:03] <RoyK> well, try what I said
[20:03] <RoyK> that's my advice for now
[20:03] <RoyK> sd[ab]1 for boot, sd[ab]5 for swap, sd[ab]6 for /
[20:04] <RoyK> so /boot on the first primary partition
[20:04] <RoyK> the rest on logical ones
[20:04] <sbalneav> Should I mark the /boot partition as bootable in the partition manager?
[20:04] <RoyK> doesn't matter
[20:04] <RoyK> grub will jump to it whatever flag it has
[20:05] <sbalneav> Ok, I'll try it.
[20:10] <RoyK> wtf happened to firefox? from v4 to v5 in less than 3 months
[20:18] <JanC> RoyK: welcome to the joy of broken extensions...  :-/
[20:18] <genii-around> The trunk version reads version 7.0a
[20:26] <K1ng> hi can anyone help me with load balance?
[20:27] <K1ng> i have 2 internet connection. 1 of them useless now.... so i am trying to setup ubuntu server as network server and i want to load balance between 2 connection
[20:27] <Corey> K1ng: Active/standby?
[20:27] <K1ng> active
[20:27] <Corey> K1ng: You mean active/active?
[20:28] <K1ng> yes
[20:28] <Corey> K1ng: It's non-trivial.
[20:29] <K1ng> :(
[20:29]  * Corey points at the Cisco in the corner for this problem
[20:30] <K1ng> what router should i get?
[20:30] <cloakable> Grab an x86 box and slap pfsense 2.0 on it
[20:31] <cloakable> Setup the two WANS in a group with equal priority
[20:31] <cloakable> done
[20:31] <sarit> I believe you can do it, using source routing, iproute, iptables stuff (haven't set up myself yet)
[20:31] <K1ng> i have asus n16 with dd-wrt
[20:32] <K1ng> you think i can do this with my asus?
[20:34] <sarit> suggest you try it with an ubuntu box first, if you have similar packages on your asus/dd-wrt, the answer to your question is: yes, probably
[20:35] <K1ng> cloakable, i got a x86 ubuntu
[20:38] <koolhead17> any specific reason why python-software-properties is not one of the base packages
[20:38] <koolhead17> base == comes with ubuntu install
[20:38] <patdk-lap> it's not needed
[20:38] <patdk-lap> and it adds even more stuff
[20:39] <sbalneav> RoyK: Failed in exactly the same way.
[20:39] <patdk-lap> normally it is installed though, unless you select minimal
[20:40] <cloakable> pfsense makes networking stuffs trivial :3
[20:40] <RoyK> sbalneav: bummer - no idea then
[20:40] <k1ng> :D
[20:40] <RoyK> cloakable: indeed
[20:40] <k1ng> cloakable, http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/
[20:40] <k1ng> which one should i get?
[20:40] <koolhead17> patdk-lap: its not. just installed natty on a VM and to add a PPA i.e run add-apt-repository  we need python-software-properties
[20:40] <koolhead17> kim0: around
[20:41] <patdk-lap> you don't need that to add a ppa
[20:41] <patdk-lap> and ppa's aren't normally required :)
[20:41] <cloakable> koolhead17: http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/pfSense-2.0-RC1-i386-20110226-1530.iso.gz
[20:41] <cloakable> Wait
[20:41] <cloakable> k1ng: http://files.chi.pfsense.org/mirror/downloads/pfSense-2.0-RC1-i386-20110226-1530.iso.gz
[20:42] <cloakable> Gives you an iso image to install from
[20:42] <k1ng> :D
[20:42] <RoyK> not linux, but very good
[20:43] <k1ng> does it have web interface?
[20:43] <koolhead17> patdk-lap: ok :(
[20:44] <RoyK> k1ng: that's the whole point :P
[20:44] <k1ng> :D
[20:45] <k1ng> the problem is i will have to mount the iso to a flashdrive
[20:45] <k1ng> because i dont have cd rom on that box
[20:45] <RoyK> k1ng: nothing you can move there? or a usb cdrom perhaps?
[20:46] <k1ng> no :(
[20:46] <k1ng> i dont have a usb cdrom
[20:46] <k1ng> its doesnt even have sata ports :(
[20:47] <RoyK> a 256MB CF card should be sufficient for running pfSense IIRC
[20:48] <k1ng> what is CF card?
[20:50] <RoyK> compact flash
[20:50] <RoyK> the sort of thing you use for cameras and such
[20:50] <k1ng> ah
[20:51] <k1ng> i got few pen drive.. 16 gb, 4 gb, 1 gb and 512 mb :P
[20:52] <k1ng> now question is how do i mount it?
[20:54] <RoyK> k1ng: can't you just install to a pen drive from a PC and then boot the pen drive on the small box?
[20:55] <RoyK> it's not like Windoze where the installer ties a bunch of stuff to the hardware used during installation...
[20:55] <JanC> nowadays most cameras use some sort of SD card though, not CF...  ;)
[20:56] <RoyK> JanC: whatever :)
[20:56] <RoyK> same thing
[20:57] <k1ng> :p
[20:58] <RoyK> k1ng: like any unix system, it'll require only a smallish medium from which to boot - the rest is done in memory
[20:59] <RoyK> and for that, 128-256MB should be sufficient for a small setup
[20:59] <RoyK> http://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Hardware_requirements
[20:59] <RoyK> 128MB should do for most setups (from where I read ^^)
[21:07] <sbalneav> RoyK<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:07] <sbalneav> apparently, the installer can't calculate partition sizes correctly.
[21:08] <sbalneav> if you make your final partition smaller than it needs to be, so that free space is left, it works, no /boot needed.
[21:09] <RoyK> sbalneav: did you say you tried installing 10.04.1_
[21:09] <RoyK> ?
[21:10] <RoyK> the latest stable release is 10.04.2
[21:11] <sbalneav> yeah, .1's what I had.
[21:11] <RoyK> looks like it should be fixed in .2
[21:13] <RoyK> released back in february
[21:16] <sbalneav> I mentioned I was running 10.04.1 right in my first message.  However, I don't see any indication of this bug in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/10.04.2
[21:16] <k1ng> :(
[21:17] <k1ng> i reinstalled windows because all browser was failing to verify ssl key...
[21:17] <k1ng> i just reinstalled and its same :(
[21:18] <RoyK> k1ng: reinstall a few more times, and you might learn how SSL works :D
[21:18] <k1ng> dude
[21:18] <k1ng> its cant very any ssl key :(
[21:18] <k1ng> not even ssl key on google :(
[21:19] <RoyK> well, obviously this isn't a Windoze noob channel...
[21:19] <k1ng> yeah i know
[22:20] <RoAkSoAx> great... broken oneiric....
[22:22] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: oh?
[22:29] <fortisv> Anyone familiar with what's necessary to create an /etc/init.d/ service-type program?  Using C# & Mono
[22:30] <fortisv> like, how to catch/handle start/stop requests, etc
[22:30] <cloakable> fortisv: look at /etc/init.d/skel
[22:30] <cloakable> Also, ewwww running a mono app as a service? o.o
[22:31] <fortisv> just a server wrapper.  Need something quick and most comfortable in C#.  not a permanent solution
[22:31] <fortisv> lol
[22:32] <fortisv> so I don't have skel, but I have skeleton... just simple scripts, huh?
[22:32] <giovani> fortisv: they're shell scripts
[22:33] <fortisv> ah, still new to unix/linux.  Hence the C# preference
[22:34] <giovani> just work from the skeleton sample
[22:34] <giovani> no need for C# or anything else
[22:34] <fortisv> lol, no, for the source program
[22:34] <fortisv> but, looking at this, I still don't see how I would catch these requests in the program...
[22:34] <giovani> what do you mean?
[22:35] <devilinthedetail> would it be considered a security risk to give www-data write perms to /wp-content ?
[22:35] <fortisv> for example, how would I know a "stop" request has been made in Mono to properly shut down the program?
[22:36] <giovani> fortisv: uhh ... POSIX signals?
[22:36] <fortisv> yeah, that's beyond my realm of knowledge.  I'll have to google it
[22:36] <cloakable> devilinthedetail: given wp-content is used for uploads?
[22:37] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: would rather be able to update/install plugins via WP admin panel vs. ftp uploads
[22:37] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: can do the latter, just a PITA
[22:37] <cloakable> devilinthedetail: Yeah, I run a wordpress install :)
[22:38] <devilinthedetail> cloakable: so verdict is risk? no?
[22:46] <lynxman> ping RoAkSoAx
[22:46] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: around?
[22:46] <Daviey> hah
[22:47] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Does bug 766229 and bug 760019 interest you?
[22:52] <hallyn> SpamapS: hey, not sure if i heard right this morning, but if in fact you are a bit bored today, if you wanted to try and reproduce bug 795427, that might be nice
[22:52] <hallyn> oh, but zul is working with libvirt in oneiric?
[22:54] <lynxman> Daviey: jinx ;)
[22:57] <Daviey> hallyn / SpamapS: Don't block on the merge. :)
[22:57] <lynxman> Daviey: are you busy now enjoying the evening or shall I bother you into sponsoring a package
[22:58] <hallyn> Daviey: i don't understand, though - the merge is on o
[22:58] <hallyn> or is this 0.9.2?
[22:58] <hallyn> is in o, i meant
[22:59] <negronjl_mobile> lynxman: did you get a chance to check the changes to mcollective-plugins?
[22:59] <lynxman> negronjl_mobile: I did, thanks mate
[23:00] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'm working on some other stuff.. :-P
[23:00] <Daviey> lynxman: I'm really pretty tired if it's a package i need to *think* about. :)
[23:00] <hallyn> ok
[23:00] <Daviey> if it's a simple change, then i can
[23:01] <lynxman> Daviey: lol, I'll wait for RoAkSoAx to be back then ;)
[23:01] <negronjl_mobile> lynxman: np
[23:23] <Ursinha> omg ubuntu wiki is... s... l....o....www....
[23:53] <rump> any idea how to prevent postfix virtual from modifying headers?  re Delivered-To: etc


[12:28] <kimo> Hi, I reported my toshiba laptop was not turning off in dapper, someone suggested reboot=h, I am here to report that YES this solves the problem ... bye
[02:50] <zul> heylo
[04:52] <zul> gah...i hate it when users complain that the bug is not fixed in the most recent kernel...read the damn changelog
[09:32] <bluefoxicy> hey guys, question, has anyone taken note of the new stuff in DRM in 2.6.16?  The 2.6.15 kernel in Dapper as of 1 month ago still crashed due to bugs in the via DRM code if using the X driver "via"
[09:33] <bluefoxicy> I'm about to try building a 2.6.16 kernel and test the via driver against that in current Ubuntu (AMD64 K8) kernel to see if it appears stable
[09:33] <crimsun> is it backportable to our current source?
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  I am not sure, I have doubts though.  I glanced through the 2.6.16 patch from 2.6.15, there's a large amount of extra code in DRM, some in the drm_dma and drm_mm code, so I'm guessing DRM got a slight rework?
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  backporting it would be nice though
[09:34] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: How can you tell it's a DRM bug?
[09:34] <mjg59> Can we have a bug number?
[09:34] <bluefoxicy> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/29586
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  my biggest hint was the system hard-hanging after several complaints (Oopses) from the kernel if I use Driver "via" in Xorg.conf, which goes away if I use Driver "vesa"
[09:35] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: That's still quite possibly an issue on the X side
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> average uptime is an hour with the via driver, days or weeks with vesa; and the oopses come up in the via code
[09:35] <mjg59> (well, the mesa side)
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  X should be able to trash kernel space?
[09:36] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Not really, and it does indicate that there's some issue with the drm code. But that's not necssarily what's causing the hangs
[09:36] <mjg59> "via driver is shit" certainly wouldn't be news
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> Feb 23 07:52:06 localhost kernel: [33790.181303]  <1>Unable to handle kernel paging request at<PHONE_NUMBER>fdc288 RIP:
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> Feb 23 07:52:06 localhost kernel: [33790.187430]  <ffffffff88440e6a>{:via:via_mmFreeMem+10}
[09:37] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  *shrug*  I dunno then.
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> I always assumed trashing the kernel's memory space would need to happen in the kernel.
[09:38] <mjg59> The kernel's memory space is not necessarily trashed
[09:38] <mjg59> It may just be trusting user input (stupid, but, well)
[09:38] <mjg59> The irq backtrace in the last comment is entirely unrelated
[09:38] <bluefoxicy> yes, yes it is.
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> I threw 'irqpoll' into the kernel command line
[09:39] <bluefoxicy> failed to boot
[09:40] <mjg59> Ah. Now, there /is/ a 64-bit related bug
[09:41] <mjg59> Can you grab the ubuntu kernel source and apply the patch from http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/dri/drm/shared-core/via_mm.c?r1=1.21&r2=1.22&makepatch=1&diff_format=u ?
[09:43] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  ah, yay, no need to do a full move to 2.6.16?  :)
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> mjg59: int != long on 64 bit?
[09:44] <Mithrandir> bluefoxicy: correct
[09:44] <bluefoxicy> time to replace my gints with glongs
[09:44] <Mithrandir> just store pointer types in pointers and ints in ints and you're fine.
[09:46] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  how do I build this thing?  I don't feel like manually configuring it (I've done that enough times while running gentoO)
[09:46] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -nc
[09:47] <mjg59> delete all the config.something files in debian/config/amd64/ so you just have config and config.whatever
[09:47] <mjg59> Otherwise you'll build loads of images
[09:50] <bluefoxicy> there's no debian directory.
[09:52] <mjg59> What source did you get?
[09:52] <bluefoxicy> linux-source-2.6.15
[09:52] <mjg59> How?
[09:53] <bluefoxicy> via apt-get
[09:53] <bluefoxicy> and then bzcat | tar x on the file it put in /usr/src
[09:53] <mjg59> Do apt-get source linux-image-whatever
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> apt-get build-something .. uh
[09:58] <bluefoxicy> builddep?
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> drivers/ide/ide-acpi.c:537: warning: format %x expects type unsigned int, but argument 4 has type long unsigned int
[10:08] <mjg59> Ignore
[10:08] <mjg59> Fixed in the next release
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> alright.
[10:09] <bluefoxicy> arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:49: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast
[10:09] <bluefoxicy> It just makes me wonder
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> do you think anyone actually knows the fundamental difference between a warning and an error?
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  Once this is compiled I'll need about 6 hours to be sure it's actually working.  The bug is probabilistic; depending on what's going on I'll have problems, but I can view movies and switch desktops without a problem for a while.  Usually what kills me is wandering away from the machine and letting the screensaver come on ;)
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> and usually within an hour of running, though I've had it stay up all day once or twice before I realized what the problem was.
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> it's stupid, I don't have a button marked "Crash System" to press
[10:49] <m_tadeu> hi everyone...
[10:50] <m_tadeu> I think there's a problem with the kernel/nforce chipsets
[10:51] <m_tadeu> I'm trying to enable my pcmcia modem( using a pci adaptor ) and only with my mb I'm unable to talk with the modem
[10:52] <m_tadeu> is there any issue known about this?
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> linux-image-2.6.15-21-amd64-k8_2.6.15-21.32_amd64.deb
[11:14] <bluefoxicy> \
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> alright reboot time
[11:19] <m_tadeu> where can i find that?
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  Okay, it still bitched about the IRQ but that's immaterial.  The question is, can I hammer it and not die
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> mjg59: bluefox@icebox:~$ glxgears
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  any ideas on this one yet?
[11:22] <m_tadeu> bluefoxicy, where can i find that kernel packge?
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> m_tadeu:  what package?
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> m_tadeu:  the one I'm using I just built
[11:22] <bluefoxicy> from a source package in dapper
[11:24] <m_tadeu> bluefoxicy, sory :) though that was for me :)
[11:31] <mjg59> bluefoxicy: Uh. Are you using the via driver or the vesa one?
[11:32] <bluefoxicy> via
[11:32] <mjg59> Check dmesg?
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> it's fine so far.
[11:34] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  the double buffer thing always happens.
[11:34] <mjg59> Oh, right. Dunno, then
[11:36] <bluefoxicy> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/29493  It's like this one


[06:40] <alkisg> !info evolution lucid
[11:52] <masai47_> I am trying to install edubuntu as dual boot on an HP machine with windows XP and an HP recovery partition.  Installation seems to work fine.  On first reboot, getting into Ubuntu is easy.  But after booting into windows and then shutting down upon restart it says no modul found and wont boot up at all.  If I then boot into the recovery partition and then try again I can get into windows but Grubloader is gone.  Not sure what is
[11:52] <alkisg> masai47_: your message was too long and it got truncated:
[11:53] <alkisg>  If I then boot into the recovery partition and then try again I can get into windows but Grubloader is gone.  Not sure what is
[11:53] <masai47_> thanks
[11:53] <alkisg> To recover grub, you can follow this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[11:53] <masai47_> I am trying to install edubuntu on a schools computer.  It has XP and a HP recovery partion
[11:54] <alkisg> Ah the URL has changed a bit, here is the correct one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[11:54] <masai47_> instalation seems to work, but after shutting down I get the error "no module found and the computer will not boot
[11:56] <masai47_> I have reproduced this twice.  If I then boot into the recovery partiton (but do nothing) it then will boot normally into windows
[12:05] <masai47_> I can see fixing it, (I just reinstalled) but is this going to happen every time (is windows doing something when I boot into it?)
[12:14] <masai47_> I think I installed grub on the windows partion sda1, does it make sense for me to install it elsewhere?
[12:37] <alkisg> masai47: you can install it to /dev/sda
[12:37] <alkisg> Not in /dev/sda1
[12:37] <alkisg> But XP wouldn't touch your boot record in sda1 on each boot
[12:37] <alkisg> It's the recovery CD that's messing your boot up
[12:40] <masai47> Sorry I am asking lots of questions but I cant get on internet at the school where I am triing to do this.  I think Edubuntu is a great solution for them (I have an unrelated question on things I might try on Pentium 3s with 128mb RAM and no networking equipment)
[12:40] <masai47> its not a recovery CD but instead a partion
[12:40] <alkisg> Same thing, it might be rewriting your MBR
[12:41] <masai47> I will try again tomorrow to install grub to just sda
[12:41] <masai47> I dont know what "no module found" means
[12:41] <alkisg> That error is displayed from windows or from grub?
[12:44] <masai47> neither
[12:44] <alkisg> Pentium 3s with 128MB RAM would make good LTSP clients if you added gigabit network cards on them (<10 $)
[12:44] <masai47> on starting up
[12:44] <alkisg> On starting up windows or linux?
[12:44] <masai47> right after the bios loads
[12:45] <alkisg> BIOS => Boot manager => OS
[12:45] <alkisg> Boot manager = windows boot manager or grub
[12:45] <alkisg> OS = windows or linux
[12:45] <alkisg> The message doesn't come from BIOS, so it's either a boot manager or an OS that is showing the message
[12:47] <masai47> when I turn on the computer
[12:47] <masai47> dos not go to grub where I choose
[12:47] <masai47> that is the first error I get
[12:47] <alkisg> That means that it's the boot manager
[12:48] <alkisg> The boot manager can't load its modules so that it can show you a menu
[12:48] <alkisg> It's *before* the grub menu, but it's still a boot manager problem
[12:48] <alkisg> So try fixing grub by following the link above


[22:08] <JontheEchidna> we'll be making 4.2 snapshot builds in the near fututre
[22:09] <ahmedb> thomas_: what is the problem?
[22:09] <Pliskin> hello :) does someone know why vlc 0.9 requires Qt and Gtk in Intrepid ?
[22:09] <ahmedb> JontheEchidna: this will be great .. and in a totally separate session on its own .. this will be great
[22:09] <ahmedb> Pilskin: because the new release has a new Qt interface I assume
[22:10] <Pliskin> ahmedb : Yes, I know, but why Gtk ?
[22:10] <ahmedb> Pilskin: hmm .. not sure .. may something transitional for the Gnome guys .. I am not sure
[22:11] <Pliskin> ok, thanks, ahmedb
[22:11] <orsogrigio> Hi
[22:11] <ahmedb> Pilskin: wait
[22:11] <winterelf> hi, anyone knows why i cant find glib-config in my apt? i want to install xmms menualy but when i did ./confugure i says i need glib-config first
[22:12] <ahmedb> Pilskin: because I have just installed vlc and no gtk libs were asked
[22:12] <orsogrigio> anyone test vmware on Intrepid
[22:13] <Pliskin> ahmedb : http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/vlc
[22:14] <Pliskin> maybe, it was already installed
[22:14] <Pliskin> the gtk libs, I mean
[22:14] <Linuturk> anyone have any tips for getting dual monitors setup right in Intrepid?
[22:15] <DaSkreech> orsogrigio: Should work
[22:16] <Ch1ppy> Hey, ever since I updated to 8.10 KOrganizer reminders have stopped, among other things, and I get the error "Could not connect to host localhost: Unknown error." Can anyone help me out?
[22:16] <orsogrigio> DaSkreech: I try ba
[22:21] <ahmedb> guys .. is the adept manager in intrepid finished?? or it is still incomplete?
[22:21] <matisse> hi
[22:21] <ahmedb> hey
[22:21] <matisse> can somebody tell me, why my keyboard doesn't work, if my pc boots without a mouse plugged in ?
[22:22] <ahmedb> PS/2?
[22:23] <matisse> yes
[22:24] <matisse> but the mouse is just usb, serial isnt even recognized...
[22:24] <ahmedb> sorry matisse I don't know .. but I hate PS/2 .. If I were you I'd ditch PS/2 for usb
[22:24] <ahmedb> there are cheap ps2 to usb converters even
[22:25] <matisse> :)
[22:25] <matisse> i got one... for the other direction :)
[22:25] <ahmedb> hmm maybe these are the ones I meant :D
[22:27] <villoni> Bonjours
[22:27] <Copelia> J'ai une question svp
[22:28] <Copelia> Quelqu'un peut m'aider
[22:29] <DaSkreech> !fr
[22:31] <MariachiElf> Anyone dealt with a scroll wheel probably recently?  It seems that when I wheel up -- it sends a page down
[22:36] <Dragnslicer> Anyone know how to fix a USB mouse that suddenly doesn't respond?
[22:37] <Dragnslicer> Tried unplugging it and plugging it in to a different USB port, and nothing
[22:42] <armando> hola disculpen cual es la direccion de sala de chat para ubunut
[22:42] <DaSkreech> !es
[22:42] <matisse> Hallo, ich hab mal eine Frage
[22:43] <condon> Anyone speak more than a couple sentences in German?
[22:43] <DaSkreech> !de
[22:44] <condon> Thanks Da, was about to break open a translator :)
[22:44] <matisse> thought you knew the language too :)
[22:44] <matisse> @DaSkreech
[22:45] <condon> Just enough where I probably could have translated your question to the rest of the room after a minute or two
[22:45] <DaSkreech> enough to understand not enough to impart information
[22:45] <condon> But since you speak english, we're golden :)
[22:46] <matisse> condon: golden = goldrichtig =
[22:46] <matisse> ?
[22:46] <condon> lol, no idea, thought richtig was right...correct
[22:46] <matisse> i'm confused...
[22:47] <condon> lol, ignore me
[22:47] <matisse> do you speak german or not ? :)
[22:47] <condon> Golden means great
[22:47] <condon> God no
[22:47] <matisse> ah, k
[22:48] <Mixed_--_> for wireless, which one is better, wep or wpa??
[22:48] <condon> I could translate the big words, I know the basics of speech, could have used online translators to get the just of what you were saying, see what they all had to say about it, and spend another 5-10 minutes doing the same to convert the english answer back to german :)
[22:48] <matisse> richtig = right, thats correct
[22:48] <imrago> wpa is more secure
[22:49] <Mixed_--_> imrago:  thanks, im goig to try and see if i ca get wpa up and running with my laptop, be back in a few
[22:49] <matisse> condon: well, i just wanted to test DaSkreech if he know this language too (after helping the french and spanish one)
[22:49] <condon> So, did you actually have a question?]
[22:49] <condon> AHHH, lol
[22:49] <condon> I see
[22:49] <condon> devious
[22:49] <matisse> yeah :)
[22:49] <condon> Well, he knows his resources if not German :)
[22:50] <DaSkreech> Yeah I looked away
[22:50] <mot_> anybody know how to get the audigy nx (usb) with alsa to simulate 5.1 surround output instead of stereo?
[22:51] <mot_> i know there's a snippet or something that you can put in your ~/.asoundrc file but i can't find it
[22:51] <matisse> my question: why does my keyboard not work, if my pc boots without a mouse plugged in ?
[22:52] <condon> Is it a wireless set up and you've got the wireless receiver unplugged?
[22:53] <matisse> no, just ps/2 (and the mouse usb)
[22:53] <Ash-Fox> Right, I am in a bit of a sticky situation, so I'd like to know the best way to do this. My current install has been, upgraded from dapper, to the next kubuntu, next and next until intrepid. I've collected so much crud over the upgrades now. I'd like to reinstall my system from a fresh.. almost. I don't have the space to make proper backups of my /home directory.
[22:53] <condon> hm...that is peculiar.
[22:53] <Ash-Fox> What would be the recommended method for simply reinstalling Kubuntu on a partition that just has say.. /home ?
[22:54] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Do you have a ~ partition ?
[22:54] <matisse> you use interesting words :) i like that. At least I have learned some English in this channel ;)
[22:55] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, nope! :) I'm guessing the best way to do this is to boot up from a livecd, delete all the paths but /home, perhaps move /home to another filename and just install kubuntu ontop and then move my files into my home directory.
[22:55] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: you need to get the files off of the partition
[22:55] <DaSkreech> what's du -sh /home say ?
[22:55] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I can tell kubuntu installer not to format the partition, no?
[22:56] <DaSkreech> Yes but then what's the point of the scorched earth ?
[22:56] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I can delete all the other paths and start with a more or less fresh system that way. I was just tryign to consult you guys on the best way to do this since I just do not have the space to put the data anywhere else at this point in time.
[22:58] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: you will have to format the /
[22:59] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Find the space. Go to a friends house or have them come to you and use their computer as temporary storage
[22:59] <beta-guy> I like how wine works on kubuntu now, it's just point and click like in windows :p
[23:00] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, well thanks for the advice. I'll just stick to my method as I have litterally no other options.
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: Borrow an external drive
[23:12] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, again, I don't have that option. If I did, I would of done it.
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Well the installer is going to wipe / which has /home
[23:13] <opensorce> Anyone know if Cairo-dock is available for 8.10?
[23:13] <DaSkreech> !info cario-dock
[23:13] <DaSkreech> !info cairo-dock
[23:13] <opensorce> that sucks
[23:13] <DaSkreech> Yes it is
[23:14] <Ash-Fox> DaSkreech, I guess I could boot off the livecd then, delete the non-/home paths, shrink the partition, create a new partition for root.
[23:14] <opensorce> so apt-get install cairo-dock ?
[23:14] <DaSkreech> Ash-Fox: If you want to drastically break your system I'd suggest getting the alternate ISO
[23:20] <aes53> how to get ALSACTL RESTORE to work at reboot?
[23:20] <aes53> IE, want to save my alsamixer settings.
[23:22] <winterelf> hi, anyone know any software that plays radio? i tried streamtuner but it need xmms and xmms is imposiable to install on kubuntu , so anyone?
[23:23] <Ash-Fox> winterelf, amarok
[23:24] <cuznt> winterelf do you have an attenna and tuner connected to your pc?
[23:24] <cuznt> you need some sort of antenna and tuner i would believe
[23:25] <aianer> Hi, I'm currently on with the new 8.10 live cd and first time browsing around with ubuntu... i saw adept is installed on the live cd, but there are *very* few packages - are there more when installed, or must I add other sources?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> it could be that the universe repositories aren't installed on the livecd. they are enabled after install iirc
[23:27] <aianer> Is proprietary software like Opera or Flash in official repositories?
[23:28] <sfears>  i've had this linksys card (wpc300n) working before using ndiswrapper in 8.04.. ndiswrapper says Lsbmcds.inf is being used.. and "windows wireless drivers" also shows that driver with hardware detected and being used.. however, knetwork manager still doesn't show any wireless networks.  Any ideas how to resolve this?
[23:28] <favro> aianer: opera is in the medibuntu repo
[23:28] <suchilipo> i have an acer apire 5100, i can't configure the integrated webcam, someone could help me?
[23:28] <ardchoille> favro: Isn't opera also in partner? it is for Hardy
[23:29] <favro> it might be...
[23:29] <aianer> I'm sorry, but I'm from another distro - what do I have to do if a "packe is in medibuntu / partner"?
[23:29] <favro> !medibuntu
[23:30] <ardchoille> aianer: medibuntu and partner are two spearate repos
[23:31] <DaSkreech> !opera
[23:32] <aianer> Thank you. One last question, if you don't mind: I've got an Canon Pixma MP510 Scanner/Printer-Combo. Where can I look up wether it is supported under 64 bit kubuntu?
[23:32] <DaSkreech> !camera
[23:32] <DaSkreech> What?
[23:32]  * DaSkreech kicks the bot
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Wait it's not a camera
[23:32] <DaSkreech> Umm
[23:32] <DaSkreech> >_>
[23:32] <DaSkreech> !scanner
[23:32] <DaSkreech> ^_^
[23:32] <aianer> Okay, I take a guess
[23:32] <aianer> !printer
[23:33] <DaSkreech> !webcam | suchilipo Read this ?
[23:33] <suchilipo> i have an acer apire 5100, i can't configure the integrated webcam, someone could help me?
[23:34] <favro> !webcam | suchilipo best I can do
[23:38] <suchilipo> ubottu: ok thanks, I hope to find solution!
[23:39] <favro> !bot > suchilipo
[23:41] <tacosarecool> help
[23:41] <tacosarecool> My sound is being weird
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I tried the alsa reset
[23:41] <axiom> is there not a kde4 kubuntu channel anymore?
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I don't wanna restart my computer
[23:41] <tacosarecool> And I wanna use the front port for my headphones
[23:41] <tacosarecool> I know the front port work
[23:42] <tacosarecool> s
[23:42] <favro> axiom:  this is it :)
[23:42] <tacosarecool> axiom?
[23:42] <tacosarecool> Oh ok
[23:43] <axiom> ah, ok.  I just upgraded to ibex
[23:43] <axiom> upgrade went fine, but kde seems to have lost all its settings
[23:43] <favro> tacosarecool: tried   alsamixer   in konsole?
[23:43] <axiom> specifically plasma, ktorrent and akregator
[23:43] <axiom> is this normal?
[23:44] <tacosarecool> This is weird
[23:44] <favro> axiom: in intrepid it uses ~/.kde not ~/.kde4
[23:44] <tacosarecool> Because my analog front is up
[23:45] <axiom> favro: so if I switch them, everything should come back?
[23:45] <favro> axiom: it "should" - I've not tried it
[23:46] <axiom> favro: thanks, will try it
[23:46] <favro> luck
[23:49] <tacosarecool> I'll try restarting
[23:49] <tacosarecool> Brb
[23:51] <DaSkreech> http://www.dailygyan.com/2008/11/10-things-you-should-do-immediately.html
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Eww? Why ?
[23:52] <chalcedony>  j #anynet
[23:53] <webas> lol two google programs in a must install.. lol i never use both of them..
[23:54] <lalakis> does anyone know why my screen is always black in kubuntu 8.10 ?? i tried to enable the desktop effects after installing the nvidia drivers for my fgeofrce fx 5600 card and since then , i cant get into kubuntu ..screen is always black..what should i do ???
[23:55] <notriddle> kubuntu: Does it show you a login screen? If so, you can use Failsafe to disable it.
[23:55] <notriddle> Correction, lalakis...
[23:56] <lalakis> i tried failsafe but when i log in with failsafe it gets me a grey screen always
[23:56]  * Lars_G sits in a corner and weeps.
[23:56] <notriddle> Lars_G: What's the matter?
[23:56] <lalakis> is there  a way to disable the desktop effects through a command in console ?
[23:56] <Lars_G> Sigh ok people. I need help. I upgraded 8.04 to 8.10, and now nothing of kde works, even kdm... at all. and I want to avoid installing from scratch as strongly as possible
[23:56] <notriddle> lalakis: Try editing .kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc
[23:57] <lalakis> how ?
[23:57] <tacosarecool> Ah
[23:57] <tacosarecool> I know the problem
[23:57] <Lars_G> kdm will only show a background, nothing else.
[23:57] <tacosarecool> If I reset alsa
[23:57] <tacosarecool> I'm screwed
[23:58] <notriddle> nano ~/.kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc
[23:58] <Lars_G> the kde apps when run from root's startx's gnome either crash or hang forever
[23:58] <tacosarecool> Amarok is and flash If I don't reset some myspace songs won't play
[23:59] <Lars_G> I had kde 4.2.1 on hardy, but I've removed the kde4 hardy repos, and I've uninstalled (and replaced) all -kde4 programs with hardy on their version for the (-kde4 less) intrepid versions...
[23:59] <lalakis> i type nano ~/.kde(4)/share/config/kdmrc  .. and then ??


[05:02] <Mirv> alecu: please comment on the bug #1297297 marking it "verification-failed" in case you want to stop the SRU process for it and have it removed from trusty-proposed where it now is
[05:04] <alecu> Mirv: sorry, I've not seen it landing, I just saw it as Approved
[05:05] <Mirv> alecu: yeah, it seems the automated message was missing probably because it got into -proposed on release day, but it's indeed there
[05:05] <alecu> great then, let's keep it
[05:05] <Mirv> alecu: ok, so either verify it 'done' or 'failed' after testing so that the package can move in trusty archives
[05:05] <alecu> Mirv: I proposed to reject that merge proposal, because our /devel branch now gets rid of that code altogether
[05:06] <Mirv> right, but it still probably makes sense to have that crash workaround in trusty too?
[05:06] <alecu> Mirv: yes, indeed
[05:06] <Mirv> ok, good to know
[05:06] <alecu> Mirv: but, I will not be able to verify it: the bug is very hard to reproduce
[05:06] <alecu> I only managed to do it once after turning off and on my router about 50 times
[05:07] <alecu> Mirv: I can do the usual testing for the package, though.
[05:07] <Mirv> alecu: right. I guess your team knows the best anyhow on how to verify it. like testing that it does not seem to be regressed in other ways, and that while testing you didn't get crashs.
[05:07] <Mirv> alecu: I think usual testing should be enough, since you're the upstream too there
[05:07] <alecu> great
[05:13] <alecu> Mirv: I'll test it later today (was heading for bed right now...), thanks for pointing this out!
[05:17] <Mirv> alecu: yep, good night, I was expecting you to answer in 12h or so :)
[07:10] <mardy> didrocks: hi! Did you discuss using a branch other than trunk for synchronizing with the archives, in your last meeting?
[07:10] <didrocks> mardy: hey, it wasn't in the discussion IIRC
[07:24] <mardy> didrocks: that's a pity, having to work on other branches (I created "master") is not fun at all
[07:24] <didrocks> mardy: talk with jfunk. He's the one handling those calls and agenda
[07:25] <didrocks> mardy: anyway, this will be automated in the airline, as discussed some months ago
[07:25] <didrocks> mardy: until then, if you want to go to that path, as you did, you can, but you have to deal with it yourself
[07:26] <mardy> didrocks: OK, thanks
[07:30] <didrocks> yw
[08:16] <sil2100> Choo chooo, time for some coffee
[08:19] <didrocks> :)
[08:24] <ogra_> bah, the shell crashed over night while the phone was sitting on my nightstand :(
[08:39] <popey> ogra_: it usually crashes for me in some way (unity/mir or something) when I wake it up after sleep
[08:39] <ogra_> it has done that for the first time for me
[08:40] <ogra_> i usually read on it in bed before sleeping ... usually it is still up in the morning
[08:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:40] <popey> Mirv: when you have a moment could you please push http://s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/filemanager-app-click/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.filemanager_0.3.163_armhf.click file manager to the click store?
[09:58] <Mirv> popey: ok, in a bit
[09:58] <popey> thanks Mirv
[10:07] <bzoltan1> ogra_: do you know who one can tell from adb/shell that the device is up and running with a healthy shell?
[10:08] <ogra_> bzoltan1, adb shell pgrep unit8 ... but that will not tell you andthing about the health or if it is actually visible on screen indeed
[10:08] <ogra_> *unity8
[10:08] <ogra_> *anything
[10:09] <popey> cihelp, can someone cleanup so i can build reminders please? s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/reminders-app-click/15/console
[10:09] <popey> hudson.util.IOException2: remote file operation failed: /home/ubuntu/jenkins/workspace/reminders-app-click at hudson.remoting.Channel@135a132e:cyclops-node10
[10:12] <psivaa> popey: looking
[10:13] <popey> thanks
[10:14] <bzoltan1> ogra_: that is something, thanks... I try to detect  from the QtCreator if the emulator is up or not
[10:18] <psivaa> popey: that job appears going ok now. on a different node though. pls ping us back if you still see issues
[10:20] <popey> ok, ta
[10:36] <Mirv> popey: just to reassure, http://s-jenkins:8080/view/click/job/filemanager-app-click/122/artifact/out/com.ubuntu.filemanager_0.3.163_armhf.click ? the previous url timed out since there is .164 now
[10:36] <popey> Mirv: yes, 163 please
[10:39] <popey> thanks Mirv
[10:40] <Mirv> popey: np, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/159/
[10:55]  * didrocks goes for a run
[12:37] <sil2100> Jumping out for a minute to drive my girl to the train station
[12:37] <sil2100> brb
[12:54] <sil2100> Back
[12:57] <ogra_> Front
[13:05] <seb128> Rear
[13:06] <kgunn> didrocks: my apologies....can we chat now? had a family issue come up i need to take care of in 30 min
[13:07] <didrocks> kgunn: sure, no worry
[13:07] <davmor2> sil2100: surely you drive a car not a girl that's just cruel
[13:08] <kgunn> didrocks: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/quick-sync-on
[13:08] <didrocks> kgunn: yeah, already there!
[13:10] <dbarth> sil2100: o/ line 36ready;
[13:11] <dbarth> sil2100: i removed one branch though, but that makes the silo request more coherent (ie, all for fixing google apps)
[13:11] <sil2100> dbarth: o/
[13:11] <sil2100> dbarth: the bugs are SRU ready there?
[13:11] <sil2100> davmor2: ;p
[13:12] <davmor2> sil2100: you're only doing that because you know I'm right ;)
[13:12] <dbarth> sil2100: they are SRU'ed yes
[13:15] <sil2100> dbarth: thanks! Will assign in a moment, need to resolve something first
[13:16] <dbarth> sil2100: cool
[13:20] <sil2100> uh
[13:20] <sil2100> bregma: why did you run merge-and-clean with the ignore flag?
[13:20] <sil2100> didrocks: ^
[13:21] <sil2100> bregma: compiz and unity are still in UNAPPROVED, they didn't even get to -proposed yet - it seems very risky to me
[13:21] <bregma> the binaries are in unapproved, no?
[13:21] <sil2100> Yes, but what if they get rejected still?
[13:21] <sil2100> You'll have the release in trunk, but there will be nothing in the archive
[13:21] <bregma> if they don't get approved we need to do new patches anyhow
[13:22] <sil2100> Trunk will be out-of-sync with the archive, which is exactly what we don't want happening
[13:22] <sil2100> Please don't use the ignore flags without asking the landing team before doing that - or maybe you talked already with didrocks or Mirv about this?
[13:22] <bregma> apologies
[13:23] <seb128> bregma, sil2100: one other issues is that "syncs" are not real copies, they are pointers to the librarian, when you clean the ppa the original sources is going to be garbage collected
[13:23] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, they're around for 7 days after deletion though, but only 7
[13:23] <seb128> so the items in the queue might become un-usable
[13:23] <seb128> right
[13:23] <seb128> hopefully the SRU team gets to those before they are claimed abck
[13:23] <seb128> back
[13:23] <sil2100> didrocks: ^ just so you know that such a situation happened
[13:24] <didrocks> one sec, back from meeting
[13:24] <didrocks> backlogging
[13:24] <bregma> hopefully it won;t take >7 days for approval for these fixes, they're for pretty serious bugs
[13:24] <sil2100> dbarth: soooo, anyway, regarding the silo! So, webbrowser-app seems blocked by your earlier SRU - I can free it as it's already in -proposed, but it would be awesome if you could assign someone from your team to do the testing of the package in proposed
[13:24] <didrocks> bregma: please don't use flags without coordinating with the LT
[13:24] <didrocks> first
[13:25] <sil2100> dbarth: working on changing it from verification-needed to verification-done :)
[13:25] <sil2100> dbarth: as long as you tell me it's being worked on and tracked, then I will 'land' the silo and assign the other one
[13:26] <didrocks> bregma: well, please push for your SRUs to get approved now
[13:26] <didrocks> bregma: we won't do the tracking, it will be off our radar
[13:26] <dbarth> sil2100: i did the testing personally and commented on the bug
[13:26] <sil2100> \o/
[13:26] <dbarth> sil2100: but i thought we'd need someone external
[13:26] <sil2100> FAST
[13:26] <dbarth> sil2100: i did it this week ;)
[13:26] <sil2100> dbarth: ok, yeah, it's best if it's not the one fixing the bug ;p
[13:26] <dbarth> right, judge and party
[13:27] <sil2100> dbarth: but if you already said +1 on it, at least we know it's not completely broken
[13:27] <dbarth> sil2100: that, i can attest
[13:27] <sil2100> Ok, so I'm landing that and tracking so it doesn't get lost
[13:27] <sil2100> Thanks!
[13:27] <dbarth> sil2100: i'd say land, yes, since it goes in -proposed
[13:27] <dbarth> sil2100: hold on though
[13:27] <dbarth> sil2100: to check we're talking of the same bug
[13:28] <dbarth> sil2100: we're talking about line 22, right?
[13:28] <sil2100> dbarth: yeah, I see the comment on one of the bugs tehre
[13:28] <dbarth> ok, we're good then
[13:28] <sil2100> There is still this one without comment, but well, we can land it in trunk anyway, as -proposed is -proposed
[13:28] <sil2100> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1309138
[13:29] <dbarth> sil2100: yup please, i tested it 3 times in silo, so i doubt it can go that wrong
[14:39] <seb128> didrocks, sil2100, bregma: compiz/unity SRU accepted
[14:40] <didrocks> great!
[14:40] <didrocks> thanks for the hint
[14:42] <seb128> yw!
[14:44] <sil2100> o/
[14:45] <sil2100> Thank you :)
[15:46] <alecu> Mirv: I've installed #302 on the phone from scratch, installed the click-scope from proposed and I've followed the test plan for it.
[15:46] <alecu> Mirv: everything works fine for me.
[15:46] <alecu> Mirv: should I tag that bug as verified? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+bug/1297297
[16:01] <didrocks> robru: around the corner?
[16:02] <didrocks> ogra_: nothing for you I guess, but you can join
[16:02] <ogra_> ah, then i'll take the opportunity to skip today
[16:02] <ogra_> :)