[03:20] <trelane> hey, I have a bug report on the -PSP kernel from rcn-ee's minimal builds, is that your kernel?  Where should I send it?  Problem relates to plugging in a rtl8192cus
[03:59] <rcn-ee> trelane, the rtl8192's are 50/50 if they'll work at this point.. i have one that works perfect, and the other that failes on every boot..
[03:59] <trelane> ok, would dmesg output from insertion/failure be of help?
[04:00] <rcn-ee> not really... have you tried 3.2-psp13? there's a couple musb fixes...
[04:00] <trelane> I'll update now and report shortly
[04:04]  * heathkid waiting on an update...
[04:28] <trelane> rcn-ee, I used a clean 12.04-r1, and don't see the kernel in apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:54] <rcn-ee> trelane, i don't have a repo setup for the kernel deb's..  it's mostly manual installling deb's... 3.2-psp13 for precise-armhf is still begin built.. but i have a cross built uImage/modules posted here for another user:  /msg MemoServ READ NEW
[04:54] <rcn-ee> http://rcn-ee.homeip.net:81/testing/beaglebone/3.2-psp13/
[04:55] <rcn-ee> as long as my smoke test is sucessful tomorrow, that' actually the default kernel going to be used in my monthly update demo images, this weekend..
[04:57] <trelane> rcn-ee, sounds good
[19:17] <Xase> Hi, is anyone here familiar with Ubuntu arm on Android handset, native not chroot?
[19:18] <scientes> Xase, if its native, its not android
[19:19] <scientes> also, chroots are native
[19:19] <Xase> No kidding? I want to remove android.
[19:19] <Xase> -_-
[19:19] <Xase> I meant direct. Not side by side.
[19:20] <Xase> It's still an android handset. Well at least till I remove Android.
[20:06] <orated_> Hey prpplague
[20:06] <prpplague> orated_: greetings
[20:49] <orated_> prpplague: I'm trying to get ethernet working on BB B4 running Ubuntu 11.10 kernel 3.2. I asked in #beagle about the same and got directed here. Could you help me on that?
[20:50] <prpplague> orated_: sorry i can not, i am sure someone here who normally does ubuntu stuff can possible help you
[20:51] <orated_> Sure, I'll try
[20:53] <orated_> Hello! I'm running Ubuntu 11.10 kernel 3.2 on BeagleBaord B4. Both the BeagleBoard and USB hub are externally powered with 5V supply. lsusb, ifconfig outputs as shown here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1018497/ - How can I get ethernet working?
[20:53] <orated_> I've a usb hub connected to the OTG port. A usb-ethernet adapter is connected to the hub. And a RJ45 cable from one of the four  ports of the router is connected to it. Second port of the same router is connected to the host system
[21:06] <Xase> sudo if up usb0 ?
[21:06] <GrueMaster> Hub off the OTG port?  Why not try the single USB port?  I'm not sure if the OTG port is enabled in the main kernel.
[21:06] <Xase> sudo dhcpd?
[21:07]  * GrueMaster didn't look at the pastebin output first.
[21:08] <Xase> :P
[21:08] <Xase> Hello GrueMaster. Probably dont remember me, but  hello nonetheless.
[21:09] <GrueMaster> Been a while.  How's it going?
[21:11] <Xase> Good. Still twiddling with my nook. id put serious effort into it but my computer  is beyond junky
[21:16] <orated_> Xase: GrueMasterJust a moment, BB is not accepting commands, restarting
[21:23] <orated_> Xase: sudo ifup usb0 gives - Ignoring unknown interface usb0=usb0.
[21:24] <orated_> And sudo dhcpd, command not found
[21:24] <orated_> GrueMaster: There is no USB port on Beagleboard B4, only USB OTG
[21:26] <Xase> hrm my linux knowledge is short when it comees to networking :(
[21:27] <orated_> Same here
[21:34] <TypoNAM> that sucks orated_, I've used a beagleboard rev C and had USB ethernet networking with one of linksys's adapters with vanilla kernel. I used the working populated USB port and a powered USB hub to connect the keyboard, mouse, and ethernet adapter to :P
[21:34] <TypoNAM> so I'm not sure if the OTG port will work the same way
[21:42] <orated_> Probably its hardware defect. Or some kernel patch missing. - http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard#USB https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/KtUXwhWm2r4
[21:45] <GrueMaster> orated_: I am not that familiar with the rev B board (I have a C4).  As I said earlier, I am not sure if the OTG port is enabled in the kernel.
[21:46] <orated_> Thanks, I'll find about that
[22:24] <orated_> I require network connection only for installing xfce and OpenCV related packages. Is it possible to chroot to the fs from the host to achieve the same? So that I can atleast start with the main task instead of getting stuck ...


[04:47] <chris4585> wish I knew about bridge linux last night, would have saved me like three hours lol
[04:47] <Unit193> But it's not the arch way...
[04:48] <chris4585> yeah, and I have no problem with that
[04:52] <Unit193> :D
[04:54] <chris4585> as far as I'm concerned I see archbang and any other spinoff to be nothing more than arch with fluff
[04:55] <chris4585> bridge is updated and comes with the old installer also so that would have been nice... but Its nice to have a refresher on the 'arch way' it is just my tv computer I use for playing tv shows
[05:07] <netritious_> finally...a
[05:07] <netritious_> .deb that installs
[05:08] <netritious> hm
[05:17] <netritious> chris4585: are you running arch everywhere or just for tv?
[05:19] <chris4585> this (main) computer and my tv, laptop has 12.10
[05:21] <netritious> arch in a vm?
[05:22] <chris4585> nah
[05:22] <netritious> idk thought you were running arch for some reason
[05:22] <chris4585> I am lol?
[05:22] <netritious> lol
[05:22] <chris4585> this computer is arch, my laptop is ubuntu, my tv is arch too
[05:23] <chris4585> I guess I wasn't clear lol
[05:23] <chris4585> oh I see yeah I wasn't clear
[05:24] <netritious> all good :)
[12:53] <netritious> morning
[12:55] <netritious> hello eights ... long time no see.
[12:56] <eights> netritious, i know it right
[12:56] <netritious> how've you been? :)
[12:56] <eights> netritious, lol been traveling a lil here and there, sc, oh, then back to nyc
[12:56] <eights> netritious, now im back in knox lmfao
[12:57] <eights> netritious, i've been good, maintiang, came back here for a job.
[12:57] <netritious> good 'ole knoxville
[12:57] <wrst> hello eights
[12:57] <wrst> and netritious
[12:57] <netritious> well wb eights :)
[12:57] <netritious> morning wrst
[12:57] <eights> wrst, whats up!
[12:58] <eights> netritious, ty ty. how things been your guys way?
[12:58] <wrst> good eights, and welcome back!
[12:59] <netritious> eights: same ole same ole really... computers, computers, and more computers :P
[13:00] <eights> netritious, i know the feeling. lol i feel like my eyes are permainetly stuck looking at a monitor
[13:48]  * xTEMPLARx wakes up and scrapes the crust outa his eyes
[13:49] <xTEMPLARx> yay quassel stayed connected :D
[13:50] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: and you are bac again
[13:50] <wrst> wow
[13:50] <xTEMPLARx> back?  I never left!
[13:50] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[13:51] <wrst> oh yeah....
[13:51] <wrst> :)
[14:52] <netritious> I'm confused. I can build and install from source no problems, but building a debian binary package from source is giving me a headache.
[14:55] <netritious> morning xTEMPLARx
[14:55] <wrst> morning netritious
[14:55] <wrst> wish i had some great pearls of wisdom for you... but as usual... i don't :)
[14:55] <netritious> how's it going wrst
[14:56] <wrst> good netritious, you?
[14:56] <netritious> Feels like I'm installing arch all over again lol
[14:57] <wrst> netritious: i tried the new installer and really had no problems until it was grug2's turn man i hate grub 2
[14:58] <netritious> there are just more steps to boot strapping with grub2 than grub. can't change it so might as well embrace it :)
[14:59] <netritious> maybe not more, just different
[14:59] <wrst> yeah i am waiting for the docs to catch up, i actually did one guide that was outside of the wiki that used no scripts it was actually easier
[15:01] <netritious> there is always an easier way.
[15:01] <wrst> yes but when people try to make it easier they many times make it harder
[15:03] <netritious> binarymutant: what goes in debian/rules to override the behavior of test/check? I want to ignore test/check just for now.
[15:03] <netritious> I would think it's something like override_dh_test_check
[15:05] <netritious> wrst: I think difficulty is part of growth. Ever stressed a plant to make it bloom out of season?
[15:05] <wrst> yep agreed
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> heya net
[15:06] <netritious> what's up xTEMPLARx
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> not much... just trying to get some work done
[15:06] <netritious> get your guitar started?
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> wishing it were friday ;)
[15:06] <netritious> lol I wish everyday was friday.
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> I have a rough outline of a body cut out, but I still have to make some templates and do some more practicing jointing wood together :D
[15:07] <netritious> cool
[15:07]  * netritious is jealous
[15:07] <netritious> my brother and I talked about it a bit
[15:08] <netritious> we determined it was cheaper to just buy a guitar :)
[15:08] <netritious> but it did seem like it would be fun
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> net:  it could be cheaper to just buy one, assuming you bought a cheap guitar
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> of course, the cost of the tools alone would be more than a few expensive guitars, probably.
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> but since I get to skip that somewhat, all I have are specific hardware bits to buy, router bits and wood
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> but of course, I then have to actually DO it
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> there  needs to be more time in the week
[15:43] <netritious> lol amen to that
[15:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i'm spying a tele body on ebay
[15:44] <xTEMPLARx> don't be spyin' stuff now
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> spyin' leads to other things
[15:46] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unfinished-Swamp-Ash-American-Telecaster-Special-Body-/330775489722?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d03c16cba
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> nice... routed for the nashville setup
[15:47] <wrst> yeah i'm sorta tempted
[15:48] <wrst> i guess the proper way is to get all your parts get it fitted then take it apart and finish?
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> pretty much
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> the edges will have to be finished as well
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> it still has the sharp edges
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> either need to route them with a roundover or put binding on there
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> roundover is easier, but still requires a router unless you wanna try your hand at sanding it round, in which case it won't be uniform
[15:50] <wrst> yeah thats my hang up i think i might go for a body that is all pre-done except finish and finish an wire it up to start with then move on from there
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: something like this one
[15:51] <wrst> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Fender-Lic-Swamp-Ash-Telecaster-Tele-BODY-Guitar-Mighty-Mite-MM2705A-/360468532542?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item53ed994d3e
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> love the grain on that one
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> standard tele just missing all the hardware
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> but that way you can pick all the hardware you want
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> black/chrome/gold
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:52] <wrst> yeah and will be more expensive when i finish probably than just buying an american tele
[15:52] <wrst> i was thinking black/chrome actually :)
[15:52] <wrst> or red
[15:53] <wrst> and I'm guessing an american neck will fit on these aftermarket bodies?
[15:54] <wrst> or would you just go with soemthing like a might mite neck and forget it?
[16:07]  * netritious wants a guitar with tux shaped body
[16:28] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  one of those two necks gave a specific code-number for the neck pocket shape
[16:28] <xTEMPLARx> sites like warmoth have nice necks that you can get already-finished to fit any stock fender pocket
[16:28] <wrst> ahh nice xTEMPLARx
[17:26] <binarymutant> what are we talking about? pirated guitars?
[17:28] <wrst> ha ha just building our own binarymutant
[17:32] <binarymutant> gah I was trying to find a 3d printed guitar physible on tpb for ya'll
[17:34] <binarymutant> no such luck though :/
[17:40] <netritious> sup binarymutant
[17:40] <binarymutant> hello
[17:41] <netritious> built 3 out of 4 packages, one is already usable from teh repos I discovered this morning
[17:41] <binarymutant> that's awesome
[17:42] <binarymutant> look this apple product is doing it wrong https://github.com/textmate/textmate
[17:42] <binarymutant> check out the dependencies
[17:43] <binarymutant> "mercurial — distributed SCM system"
[17:43] <netritious> i thought mercurial was an MTA
[17:44] <binarymutant> huh no
[17:44] <binarymutant> it's a vcs like git
[17:44] <binarymutant> but textmate wants you to pull source with git that pulls source with hg/mercurial
[17:45] <netritious> sounds redundant
[17:45] <binarymutant> very
[17:45] <binarymutant> which is a good reason not use apple lol
[17:48] <netritious> binarymutant: I need to add some post install scripts to create dirs and stuff and to copy a .conf after package installation. Not sure how to integrate into the building of the package.
[17:48] <netritious> any tips for me?
[17:49] <binarymutant> never used any hooks for my packages but I know you put them in debian/post-install or something like that
[17:49] <netritious> ah k, thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[17:50] <binarymutant> something like that..
[17:51] <binarymutant> you can prolly do what you said in the debian/rules though
[17:51] <netritious> maybe debian/postinst ?
[17:52] <binarymutant> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html
[17:52] <binarymutant> and yeah
[17:52] <binarymutant> man I haven't seen the debian policy doc in forever
[17:53] <netritious> all good...appreciate it man
[17:55] <binarymutant> #debian-maintainers on oftc will have all the answers too
[18:02] <wrst> oh netritious, they made it a lot easier now on arch: http://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/
[18:02] <wrst> :)
[18:04] <binarymutant> what the zsh config?
[18:04] <netritious> ha I was sure that if arch wanted to stay in user's hearts they'd cough up an installer lol
[18:04] <binarymutant> no installer still
[18:05] <wrst> well netritious that may be a whiel but hey they have autocomplete :)
[18:05] <netritious> close enough? :P
[18:05] <binarymutant> yeah zsh is awesome
[18:05] <netritious> lol
[18:05] <wrst> netritious: arch really doen'st care if they have users or not as you can tell by being brave enough to go to their channel adn ask a question
[18:07] <binarymutant> typical #archlinux response: rtfm
[18:07] <wrst> binarymutant: but you know for the most part that is the correct response
[18:07] <binarymutant> yeah but very old school
[18:08] <wrst> yeah but you know they are hardcore
[18:08] <binarymutant> a newer version of rtfm: google it
[18:08] <chris4585> o.o
[18:09] <binarymutant> *A*
[18:09] <netritious> I just think arch is having a growth spurt. purists ::cough:: snobs ::cough:: never like the 'new kids' anyway
[18:10] <binarymutant> so true
[18:10] <binarymutant> the kids always want their gnomes and kdes jk
[18:10] <wrst> netritious: yep and if you read their forums on some of this stuff the old school guys tell you that
[18:10] <netritious> lol
[18:11] <wrst> binarymutant: :P
[18:12] <netritious> well I mean, if I, nettty the netster, do RTFM and google it and still don't get it.....no arch for me? That's impractical if one wants the adoption of one's idea of linux.
[18:14] <binarymutant> read the effing source?
[18:14] <binarymutant> idk :D
[18:14] <netritious> exactly binarymutant
[18:16] <binarymutant> I have to come to the defense of the linux snobbery though. The snobbery creates better users
[18:17] <netritious> to me installing arch was no different than installing pfsense on a proprietary peice of networking euipment (under the hood a PC with 8 nics)...it was a PITA but rewarding
[18:17] <binarymutant> in Ubuntu you'd ask a question and do the response without having to understand which makes ppl keep asking
[18:17] <netritious> yeah
[18:18] <binarymutant> but with snobbery your forced into understand why so you never have to ask again
[18:18] <netritious> there has to be a middle ground somewhere
[18:18] <binarymutant> I'm sure and I'd totally agree with the middle ground
[18:18] <wrst> netritious: it seems like people polarize to one end or the other
[18:19] <wrst> and is debian the middle ground?
[18:19] <netritious> wrst: the nature of things in general I think
[18:19] <netritious> maybe :)
[18:19] <netritious> It's been very flexible for me
[18:19] <binarymutant> idk, #debian will answer questions very well
[18:19] <binarymutant> like #ubuntu ^
[18:20] <netritious> i rarely ask questions. when I do it's because I've exhausted most known/found resources
[18:20] <binarymutant> the worst elitists I've seen is suckless.org/ they're horrible
[18:21] <binarymutant> ^ must have masters in C to understand them
[18:22] <binarymutant> ^^ prolly why I can still stand the arch community
[18:23] <netritious> sometimes I just give in to the fact that my style of 'brute force learning' isn't adequate for the task. 99% of the time it does work though lol
[18:25] <netritious> BFL = I'll keep at something until it works if I know some one else has it working already. it must be my deficiency, not rocket science or magick even.
[18:25] <netritious> *or if I am very positive it should work and doesn't
[18:25] <wrst> brute force learning, i like that :)
[18:28] <netritious> wrst: I wish it was more like the old days where someone took you under their wing and guided you versus the spoon feeding you get now with ubuntu or RTFM attitude from [other distros]
[18:29] <binarymutant> I think Ubuntu's motu does that
[18:29] <wrst> netritious: there isn't really any middle ground there is there?
[18:29] <netritious> mentoring is the middle ground I think.
[18:29] <binarymutant> yeah
[18:29] <wrst> yep
[18:30] <binarymutant> ubuntu's motu does mentoring, debian does mentoring too but it's more along the lines of rtfm
[18:30] <netritious> right lol
[18:30] <binarymutant> debian's dd*
[18:31] <netritious> I like The Debian Way
[18:31] <binarymutant> I'm partial to the suckless.org/arch way
[18:31] <binarymutant> but it's not for everyone
[18:32] <binarymutant> meh I go back n forth lol :P
[18:33] <netritious> the RTFM/GIYF way is my way
[18:33] <netritious> most of the time.
[18:33] <binarymutant> giyf?
[18:33] <netritious> Google Is Your Friend
[18:33] <binarymutant> just looked it up on my hand acronym finder
[18:34] <binarymutant> wget -q -O - www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=$1 | grep definition | sed -e 's#<[^>]*>##g' | sed -e 's/"//g'
[18:34] <netritious> nice one binarymutant
[18:37] <binarymutant> debian's way of management is the best though, I still don't understand Arch's way
[18:37] <binarymutant> like who decided the /lib -> /usr/lib thing?
[18:38] <netritious> guess you would have to dig through some message archives binarymutant
[18:39] <binarymutant> <- doing that now lol
[18:40] <binarymutant> 3 ppl
[18:40] <binarymutant> that's what I don't like about Arch; 3 ppl decide on the fate of the distro - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Divisions
[18:41] <binarymutant> instead of the democracy debian uses
[18:43] <netritious> and it also looks like it comes down to one dude. you know, I think that's fine even if I wouldn't do it that way.
[18:43] <wrst> their are advantages to both
[18:44] <netritious> like I'll ever build my own distro any way, so I can't rightfully judge I guess except to say thank goodness for choices :)
[18:44] <wrst> ha ha agreed netritious
[18:55] <xTEMPLARx> I would install netritious linux on my main work box
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> but if you followed ubuntu's lead, there'd be knetritious, xnetritious, edunetritious, etc
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> ooooo!
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> dude
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> i've got it
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> gnutritious
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> there
[18:56] <xTEMPLARx> you're welcome
[18:58] <xTEMPLARx> gnutritious.org is available, too
[18:58] <xTEMPLARx> get busy
[18:59] <binarymutant> gnutritious is too bloated :P
[19:00] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[19:00] <netritious> rofl
[19:01] <netritious> gnet maybe, pronouced guh-new neht
[19:01] <netritious> or guh-neht rather
[19:02] <netritious> I have been entertaining the idea of starting with LFS, but man that's gonna take some time i just know it.
[19:02] <binarymutant> gnome nutritious lol
[19:03] <netritious> lol...gnome2 only
[19:03] <binarymutant> netritious: if you can compile glibc it's pretty easy
[19:03] <netritious> lol
[19:03] <netritious> nah, I want to do net appliances really
[19:04] <binarymutant> for the LFS
[19:04] <netritious> yeah
[19:04] <binarymutant> I tried it once, couldn't compile glibc and dropped it
[19:04] <netritious> yeah you mentioned that...doesn't sound promising.
[19:05] <netritious> though I've read a lot about it, and the one thing I see every where is 'don't deviate from the manual at all ever period' ...
[19:05] <binarymutant> one of us in here could probably do it, we should make our own distro
[19:05] <netritious> did you deviate binarymutant? :D
[19:05] <binarymutant> can't remember
[19:05] <binarymutant> I think I just did vanilla, no opts
[19:08] <netritious> it's very possible it just failed, i mean, if eveyone could build LFS then you wouldn't have derivatives of derivatives
[19:08] <binarymutant> so true
[19:08] <netritious> it screams 'tedious and complex'
[19:08] <netritious> don't know why I quoted that^
[19:16] <wrst> netritious: does LFS have an irc channel to ask questions? :)
[19:18] <netritious> maybe wrst :)
[19:19] <binarymutant> holy crap it does
[19:19] <binarymutant> and my poweri is about to get lightning'd out
[19:32] <xTEMPLARx> its been storming here pretty badly as well
[19:34] <binarymutant> while (storming=true) { laptop > desktop; };
[19:35] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[19:35] <binarymutant> I already see my typo, C sucks :/
[19:36] <xTEMPLARx> yup... i blame the programming language, too
[19:36] <binarymutant> lol :D
[19:36] <binarymutant> I see what you did there
[19:41] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[19:42] <xTEMPLARx> i was halfway through typing welcome back to wrst when I realized he wasn't back at all.
[19:43] <xTEMPLARx> now i can
[19:43] <xTEMPLARx> welcome back wrst!
[19:43] <xTEMPLARx> or at least, wrst's quassel server
[19:43] <wrst> i clicked on the wrong thing
[19:44] <wrst> i went clicky clicky and freenode went bye bye
[19:44] <wrst> and thanks xTEMPLARx :)
[19:56] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[19:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i really want to buy a guitar body now
[19:57] <xTEMPLARx> get you some ash/mahogany/sapele/basswood/etc and a jigsaw and do it yourself!  ;D
[19:59] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i just need to do the basics first :)
[19:59] <xTEMPLARx> Not putting your cart before the horse, eh?  Probably smart.
[20:00] <wrst> oh no i'm not smart
[20:01] <alyawn> binarymutant: "... C sucks ..."... boooo
[20:03] <binarymutant> alyawn: already had my re-education :P
[20:03] <xTEMPLARx> a tad crude, but funny:  http://bit.ly/O7YN6f
[20:04] <binarymutant> MS just recently did that in the kernel ^
[20:05] <alyawn> xTEMPLARx, that was my first program! minus the newlines
[20:06] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i so would spend a half day doing stuff in basic just for it not to work because i messed something up in line 340
[20:06] <wrst> c64 lots o' fun
[20:07] <xTEMPLARx> lol true
[20:07] <xTEMPLARx> wewt!  http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/commodore-64/id305504539?mt=8
[20:10] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: taht is from the devils store
[20:10] <wrst> *that
[20:10] <wrst> and wb elijah-mbp, you seem to do this every day around this time :)
[20:10] <binarymutant> goto
[20:11] <binarymutant> erg
[20:27]  * netritious wipes brow
[20:27] <binarymutant> heavy lifting?
[20:28] <netritious> on a clean system, with only two package dependencies in the repo, snort installs from my .deb's
[20:28] <binarymutant> thats awesome
[20:28] <netritious> works OOTB, minus the two packages in repo (libdumbnet1 and libdumbnet-dev
[20:29] <netritious> )
[20:29] <binarymutant> you putting them on a ppa?
[20:29] <netritious> nah so not ready
[20:29] <netritious> lintian complains ALOT
[20:29] <binarymutant> not good :/
[20:30] <netritious> exactly, but at least i'm getting somewhere :)
[20:30] <binarymutant> well when they're ready, launchpad's ppa will build them for you
[20:30] <netritious> cool
[20:30] <binarymutant> i'd also use pbuilder to test them
[20:30] <netritious> I've read about that somewhere
[20:31] <binarymutant> yeah should be posted everwhere
[20:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i'm wanting to do this thing candy apple red and that's pretty involved... ohhh how quickly i can get deep into something
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> absolutely
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> especially paint
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> there are a million ways to an end, and none of them fast/easy when it comes to paint
[20:54] <wrst> yes looks like its a gold base then a sort of transparent red
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[20:54] <xTEMPLARx> gold metal flake, usually
[20:55] <xTEMPLARx> THEN you have your clear coats
[20:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i've done some paint on cars but never anything fancy
[20:55] <wrst> yes gold flake
[20:55] <xTEMPLARx> and sanding, sanding, sanding
[20:55] <wrst> clear coat sand, clear sand clear sand etc etc
[20:55] <wrst> and buffing buffing buffing
[20:55] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:55] <xTEMPLARx> for a proper candy job yeah
[20:55] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> whoah, double smilies
[20:56] <wrst> if i do this i may just go with a solid color and get my feet wet
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> Tru-Oil is super easy and feels great on the wood
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> just sayin'
[20:56] <wrst> do it out of a spray can to start with
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> time for me to pack up and head to the hizzy
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> L8r wrst and everybody else
[20:57] <wrst> later xTEMPLARx
[21:05] <elijah-mbp> do i really reconnect every day around 3?
[21:05] <elijah-mbp> i'd never noticed.
[21:10] <wrst> seems that way lately elijah-mbp :)
[21:26] <elijah-mbp> i'm rebuilding a windows box here - is it weird that i just don't want to effing install ANYTHING on it?
[21:27] <elijah-mbp> i mean, i'm going to install drivers for all my stuff - and steam and a bunch of games - but i don't think i even want to put most of the utils back that i had before.  :p
[21:27] <elijah-mbp> i'm probably being pissy but i hate rebuilding machines.
[21:27] <elijah-mbp> REALLY hate.
[21:29] <binarymutant> imho games are the only thing keeping windows I alive
[21:29] <binarymutant> s/i/.
[21:29] <binarymutant> s/i//
[21:29] <binarymutant> can't type today
[21:32] <elijah-mbp> there's a reason i call that box the wintendo ;)
[21:33] <binarymutant> wintendo, hilariously fitting
[21:34] <elijah-mbp> when it crashed i was trying to play arkham asylum ;)  then one of the disks in my raid pair just totally freakin ate it.  and then it turned out that the pair was degraded, so the other disk was crap.
[21:34] <elijah-mbp> luckily all the data was backed up somewhere else.  no more data on desktops ;)
[21:37] <elijah-mbp> i wish i felt like i had the money to go buy a pair of ssds
[21:43] <binarymutant> for some reason I thought ssd's had less amount of times they could be mounted
[21:57] <elijah-mbp> well... the write durability of them 'could' be less.
[22:05] <binarymutant> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Solid_State_Drives#Limitations doesn't mention mount times
[22:06] <binarymutant> in fact I can't find anything about it on a first page google search, so I'm prolly wrong :D
[22:07] <binarymutant> of course most of first page google was talking about a different type of 'mount'
[22:44] <binarymutant> google-chrome seems very mouse sensitive
[22:45] <binarymutant> sometime it clicks stuff when I'm not touching anything...
[22:46] <binarymutant> nvm it's synaptics >:(


[01:37] <john_the_unique> hello
[01:38] <john_the_unique> just what development environments are most popular with game designers?
[02:22] <poningru> anyone know if java will be included in feisty by default?
[02:23] <tonyyarusso> not a clue
[02:23] <poningru> thanks
[02:28] <john_the_unique> licensing issues?
[02:30] <elkbuntu> john_the_unique, more likely 'if it's ready in time'
[02:30] <john_the_unique> that's what i like to hear
[02:34] <john_the_unique> firefox pretty much has the users' #1 demand met
[02:34] <john_the_unique> how are we going to meet #2?
[02:35] <john_the_unique> playing games
[02:35] <john_the_unique> this is the deal breaker and why i can't recommend ubuntu to everyone
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> I would have a VERY hard time believing games were #2.
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> Maybe among 14 year olds.
[02:36] <xipietotec> john_the_unique: the majority of computer users do not play computer games
[02:36] <xipietotec> I say this as someone who *does*
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> Yes, games are big, but computers are first and foremost production machines, not toys.
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> Games probably come in around #8.
[02:37] <john_the_unique> yes, but for someone who wants to do both (which is most users) guess what os they'll choose?
[02:37] <john_the_unique> they don't care if they have to pay money
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> The toy OS, of course.
[02:37] <john_the_unique> they are paying money for the game anyhow
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> How are you backing up "most users"?
[02:37] <john_the_unique> a ubuntu poll
[02:37] <tonyyarusso> Most users _I_ know don't.
[02:38] <john_the_unique> it confirms my experience
[02:38] <john_the_unique> even my friends who know linux, install and maintain windows for family and friends
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> Most users are using their computers at work, where they would be fired it they played games.
[02:38] <john_the_unique> why? because windows supports games with no hassle
[02:38] <john_the_unique> it's those areas i can recommend linux wholeheartedly
[02:39] <john_the_unique> but not to home users
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> I'm not going to argue that games are a major market, but they are certainly not #2, and other things need attention first.
[02:39] <john_the_unique> if all we want to target is corporate users, then we're doing good
[02:39] <tonyyarusso> The home users I know also are trying to get work done.  They're mainly university students and middle-aged people.
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> It's the just out of college but haven't found a job yet market that needs games.
[02:40] <tonyyarusso> Everyone else doesn't have time.
[02:40] <john_the_unique> hehe
[02:40] <john_the_unique> you'd be surprised
[02:40] <john_the_unique> i'd say the heavy demographic group for games is between 14-40
[02:41] <john_the_unique> of those, which demographic is going to be making decisions about which os they'd like to use?
[02:41] <john_the_unique> probably 16-40
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> Also, games aren't really something we can do anything about.  We can whine about it, but that's about it.  Developing them to rival professional outfits would take a lot of work, and the people able to do the work aren't really interested in that area.  The professional outfits won't make their games for Linux because it's not worth their time either.
[02:42] <john_the_unique> i'm not saying that we develop games
[02:42] <john_the_unique> ...but we do need to pander to game developers
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> how?
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> We can't show them the numbers.
[02:42] <john_the_unique> what is it about linux that makes porting code from visual studio and direct x so hard?
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> The bottom line doesn't make sense.
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> I think it's more about what it is about visual studio and direct x.
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> You'd have to ask someone who does it.
[02:43] <john_the_unique> are you a developer?
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> No.
[02:43] <john_the_unique> then I'm talking to the wrong guy
[02:43] <tonyyarusso> I've started to dabble, but nothing like that.
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> I can observe a market though, and I know you're going to have to come up with numbers to convince anyone, numbers which we can only get by fixing the other things first.
[02:44] <john_the_unique> i'm going to push this so you guys can market more effectively
[02:44] <john_the_unique> linux certainly is gaining numbers
[02:44] <john_the_unique> no doubt due to efforts on the part of people in this group
[02:45] <john_the_unique> it is becoming more visible
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> Right, which will help the games market ultimately - I just don't think it's above critical mass yet.
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> Soon, we hope.
[02:45] <john_the_unique> maybe not
[02:45] <tonyyarusso> But I wouldn't waste my own efforts personally until it had more oomph for that aspect.
[02:45] <john_the_unique> but i'm going to try to push the right buttons to help us move into critical mass
[02:45] <john_the_unique> that's ok
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> Do you have internal market connections of some sort to pull strings with?  If that's the case you might be able to make some headway.
[02:46] <john_the_unique> continue marketing to corporates and schools
[02:46] <john_the_unique> i'll work on the software end
[02:46] <tonyyarusso> yeah, schools are my pet target ;)
[02:46] <john_the_unique> you continue in the marketing
[02:46] <john_the_unique> schools are an effective target
[02:46] <john_the_unique> nice talking to you
[02:46] <john_the_unique> bye
[03:03] <poningru> !wifi
[03:03] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:10] <somerville32> jenda: Too bad I don't have sound for flash
[10:11] <jenda> aww
[10:12] <somerville32> Is it funny?
[10:12] <jenda> Not really, just a transcript of what he described.
[10:15] <somerville32> oh, ok
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> n2diy: You're probably right - actually our library in town here has a few Linux workstations.
[11:12] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: hello
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> Schools are my pet target b/c my current plan is to go into teaching.
[11:13] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: I was President of my local library, but I win reelection.
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> So it's really just a matter of being the logical target for me personally.
[11:14] <tonyyarusso> Cool.
[11:16] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: I should go to bed, I meant to say, I _lost_ the last election. But, I had a linux box up and runnning, during my term.
[11:17] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: politics
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[11:18] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: any idiea of what  an MS license cost per box?
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> n2diy: retail or oem?
[11:19] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: I thought schools had there on rate?
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> ah, they often do
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> It depends on whether they're looking at competitors or not.
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> If they're solidly Windows, they pay a steeper price.
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> If they're waffling, MS starts throwing money at them to try to keep hold.
[11:21] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: They are looking at competitors, you and me!
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> yup
[11:23] <tonyyarusso> which makes our job that much harder
[11:23] <tonyyarusso> We start to lose the price arguement and have to go on other merits
[11:24] <tonyyarusso> TCO is still fair game thoughw if you can show that administering an entire school's systems will be easier.
[11:31] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: I thought you where a big shot around here?  Address me man, so my bell rings! What is TCO?
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> n2diy: hehe.  Total Cost of Ownership - the concept of overall investment required, including purchase/licensing, staff training, maintenance and administration, disaster recovery, etc. all addee together.
[11:35] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: yep.
[11:36] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: Any idea what the per student cost is, on average?
[11:39] <tonyyarusso> n2diy: anywhere from $4 to $60 I'd guess.
[11:40] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: Roger on the guess. Something I need to research here.
[11:42] <Ckenyon> jenda:ping
[12:01] <jenda> Ckenyon: pong
[12:04] <jenda> Ckenyon: pong?
[12:04] <jenda> 30s :)
[12:08] <Ckenyon> Hi Jenda
[12:08] <jenda> Ckenyon: one more pong, this time for real :)
[12:09] <jenda> heya
[12:10] <jenda> (sorry, I really don't know what's going on with my ISP - I did just call them)
[01:15] <snail> ;)
[01:15] <snail> hmm
[03:02] <Vorian> hi meatballhat :)
[03:52] <somerville32> Jenda: ping
[04:25] <jenda> somerville32: pong
[04:38] <jenda> unpong
[04:40] <tonyyarusso> |    .    |
[04:54] <jenda> |        |
[04:55] <GazzaK> |         |  oops
[04:55] <tonyyarusso> Geez GazzaK, we only had one ball.
[04:55] <GazzaK> sorry
[04:56] <jenda>
[06:44] <Lt> Good afternoon
[06:50] <LtSmith> I nmight beable to get us some noticability on linuxquestions.org.
[06:55] <LtSmith> I could possibly  get us some add space on linux questions.org
[07:44] <somerville32> jenda: pin
[07:44] <somerville32> +g
[07:45] <juliux> jenda, ping;)
[08:31] <jenda> somerville32, juliux pong
[08:31] <juliux> jenda, how should i pay the stickers?
[08:31] <jenda> paypal
[08:31] <somerville32> jenda: Who changed the modes for the channel?
[08:31] <somerville32> I can't change the topic
[08:32] <somerville32> Jenda: If we plan to keep it this way, could you please add me to access list.
[08:32] <juliux> jenda, ok
[08:33] <jenda> somerville32: yes you can :)
[08:33] <somerville32> Thanks
[08:34] <jenda> Be considerate, Cody :
[08:34] <jenda> :)
[09:30] <Vorian> wb jenda :)
[10:20] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[10:23] <jenda> thanks, somerville32
[10:35] <tsmithe> ping jenda
[10:35] <jenda> tsmithe: pong?
[10:35] <jenda> kinda?
[10:35] <tsmithe> hmm
[10:35] <tsmithe> sorry
[10:35] <jenda> going to bed.
[10:35] <jenda> :)
[10:35] <tsmithe> i've forgotten :P
[10:35] <jenda> what's up?
[10:35] <tsmithe> g'night :)
[10:36] <tsmithe> obviously need it


[06:59] <ttx> zul: nova-objectstore is not really deprecated -- it still provides S3 frontend for EC2 image registration commands
[06:59] <ttx> It does not store images by itself anymore, though.
[16:36] <kim0> Hey o/, Got something interesting to talk about in Ubuntu cloud days? → Please add a session to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCloudDays/Timetable .. Thanks