[07:36] <Rene_S> Oh oh Uncle Billy is gonna take away my Office certification now ...
[07:36] <bitserf> encryptio: nope
[07:36] <Chibi> You will. :P
[07:36] <Rene_S> Maybe its just me but I find Hoary not that bad
[07:36] <encryptio> but.. but..
[07:36] <Lathiat_> if you want non sucky drop shadows (i.e. off the bottom edge not all around) "xcompmgr -c -l 0 -t 0 -r 5 -f" and add -C if you dont want shadows on the panel, but then maximizing windows cover the panel, its a trade-off.
[07:37] <Rene_S> mind you i dont run wierd hardware either
[07:37] <Chibi> 75% chance a dist-upgrade will screw you.  I get in moods where I like to distrobution flop alot. :o
[07:39] <encryptio> bitserf: is there a way to, store my current setup?
[07:39] <holycow> encryptio, you may not want to be "leet" but sure you want to be "l33t"?
[07:39] <Rene_S> I was only being funny, every one has there own comfort level, I know nothing about linux and I dont mind crapping out my system
[07:39] <holycow> >_>
[07:39] <bitserf> hmm, i've still not quite figured out where to put commands for gnome to run every time i log in... :|
[07:39] <JDahl> just curious... Warty was just released, runs smoothly with a lot of new packages.  :P
[07:42] <encryptio> cool
[07:42] <JDahl> Chibi, back when I was younger I also forgot to have /home (or /usr/local) on a separate partition, so I wouldnt lose all my stuff when I upgraded
[07:42] <RobLinux> brb folks
[07:43] <Chibi> I don't like seperate partitions.
[07:43] <encryptio> well what if i don't want to get another iso to burn?
[07:43] <gen> whats the command to change current user to root access, such as not having to use sudo all the time
[07:43] <Lathiat_> gen: sudo -s
[07:43] <JDahl> gen, you just add "nopasswd" to /etc/sudoers
[07:43] <encryptio> whoa.. scary
[07:43] <Chibi> To me, another partition only exists for a completely diffrent operating system.
[07:44] <encryptio> JDahl: you're a  windows convert, rihgt?
[07:44] <Chibi> I deal with too many large files.
[07:44] <encryptio> like dvds
[07:44] <JDahl> encryptio, what gave me away?
[07:44] <encryptio> ?
[07:44] <seek187> Why don't I have a xorg.conf file?
[07:44] <encryptio> JDahl: you're amazing concern for security.
[07:44] <Chibi> Yeah. I keep backups of all of my discs :/
[07:44] <holycow> bitserf, ohhhh okay thanks for the tip, i didn't know that
[07:44] <gen> encry: it's your
[07:44] <gen> :)
[07:45] <Chibi> My box is a shuttle, and I don't like to carry extra crap around with me.
[07:45] <JDahl> encryptio, adding nopasswd to sudoers doesnt disable it for all users, just for me...
[07:45] <encryptio> i know... but still
[07:45] <encryptio> root access needs to be at least password protected, no matter what (in my mind)
[07:46] <hypa7ia_> encryptio: not enabled != no password
[07:47] <encryptio> eh?
[07:47] <encryptio> i'm thinking nopasswd means "don't ask for a password"
[07:47] <holycow> chibi i agree with you, i don't see the need for separate partitions either, unless its a large serve with many users
[07:48] <hypa7ia_> the way ubuntu is setup, where you need to enable the root account....
[07:48] <holycow> otherwise a simple backup of home dir saves the hassle of getting yoru partition 'guess' wrong, cuz i can never guess right how much os space i really need
[07:48] <Chibi> root account seriously isn't /needed/
[07:48] <holycow> i beg to differ there :)
[07:48] <holycow> ehe
[07:48] <JDahl> encryptio, did you change ubuntu to ask for password every time you use it?
[07:48] <JDahl> sudo, I mean
[07:48] <Chibi> You can just have a sudo terminal open. :o
[07:49] <holycow> i consider root as a failsafe
[07:49] <encryptio> JDahl: only if sudo hasn't been used in the last minute
[07:49] <holycow> of course one ought to rename root to something else as the uid of 0 or whatever will retain root priviledges still
[07:49] <encryptio> successfully, at least
[07:49] <Chibi> Can't you extend sudo's life?
[07:49] <encryptio> or shorten it
[07:49] <encryptio> either way
[07:49] <encryptio> yes
[07:50] <nab_> hello again
[07:51] <stuNNed> JDahl, you can `sudo -s` to stay in a root shell as long as you like.
[07:52] <nab_> i wanna access some shared folders on a windows(xp) pc, but ubuntu tells me i dont have the rights to do so. but why doesnt ask it for the password+username??
[07:52] <JDahl> encryptio, how about using ssh with pgp to avoid typing password when connecting to a different machine... that's a bad windows habit also?
[07:52] <stuNNed> nab_, i get the same error with smbclient and gnome-vfs_whatever :\
[07:52] <nab_> :(
[07:52] <encryptio> JDahl: if it's root, yeah
[07:53] <stuNNed> shared keys for normal user works with ssh
[07:53] <nab_> i also tried<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but that doesnt work either
[07:53] <stuNNed> like irc, imho never ssh as root
[07:53] <JDahl> I wasnt talking about root
[07:54] <JDahl> but anyway, I agree security matters - Im just lazy
[07:56] <NetSurfAU> bob2: (Sorry for long delay - had unexpected visitors) The documentation on the CD (burned from ISO) mentions something about using some floppy images from the Debian download site(s).  I searched through the Debian "floppy image" directories, but couldn't work out which was the one that would alow me to get Ubu to load from my PCMCIA CD-ROM drive.
[07:56] <DeepSeaAnt> is hoary using X.ORG yet?
[07:57] <crimsun> yes, as of two days ago
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> nice
[07:57] <Rene_S> yes, yes it is
[07:57] <stuNNed> nab_, we could file a bug, what type of windows machine are you trying to connect to?
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> ill need to update it
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> hmm
[07:58] <nab_> windowsxp
[07:58] <nab_> i heard it should wokr with the linneighborhood program
[07:58] <nab_> im installing it right now
[07:59] <hypa7ia_> hey, anyone using gnupg?
[07:59] <crimsun> hypa7ia_: yes.
[07:59] <hypa7ia_> is there a gui for it anywhere?  last time i set it up a friend walked me through it, and i'm kinda lost :-/
[08:01] <hypa7ia_> gnupg
[08:01] <hypa7ia_> oops
[08:10] <nab_> yeah it does work with linneighborhood
[08:10] <stuNNed> nab_, did you install samba or just smbmount and samba-common?
[08:12] <nab_> i selected linneigborhood from the synaptic install list, one click thats all :))
[08:12] <stuNNed> nab_, with linneighborhood selecting smbfs, ah ok than :)
[08:13] <muyloko> did anyone recieve the cd?
[08:13] <stuNNed> nab_, did you 'Enable Windows Networking' in network-admin?
[08:13] <|trey|> Would the fact that Applications > System Tools > Shares doesn't run with sudo be classified as a bug?
[08:13] <|trey|> (This is hoary...)
[08:14] <muyloko> will wireless work with ubuntu?
[08:14] <nab_> i didnt enable anything hehe
[08:14] <|trey|> muyloko: more then likely, yes
[08:14] <hypa7ia_> muyloko: the first print run was just shipped
[08:14] <hypa7ia_> muyloko: it's working for me :-)
[08:14] <encryptio> how do i perrmanently kill the x server? like to kill and not come back?
[08:14] <|trey|> Anyone know about the "Shares" tool? (share-admin)?
[08:14] <muyloko> cool
[08:15] <gen> what about it trey
[08:15] <muyloko> mandrake sucks in wireless
[08:15] <|trey|> encryptio: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: doesn't run with sudo, would this be a bug?
[08:15] <|trey|> muyloko: cool, this isn't mandrake...
[08:15] <gen> did you do sudo shares-admin
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: I had to change the command to that to use the tool yes...
[08:15] <JDahl> encryptio, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, even ;)
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: by default it doesn't issue sudo though...
[08:16] <seek187> Where do I get xcompmgr at?
[08:16] <crimsun> hypa7ia_: usually a program will call gnupg as necessary, like mutt does when you configure it thusly
[08:16] <gen> yes, it's a bug
[08:16] <|trey|> JDahl: bah, I always forget to add that part  ;)
[08:16] <gen> doesnt in the menu
[08:16] <muyloko> other question: when i set a new partition in ubuntu installation, will delete the current information stored in the other partitions
[08:16] <crimsun> 01:36 < bitserf> encryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb
[08:16] <crimsun>           http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:16] <|trey|> gen: its already reported?
[08:16] <seek187> thanks
[08:16] <gen> not sure trey
[08:16] <gen> needs to be
[08:16] <gen> its in warty and hoary
[08:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> Whory Hedgehog =)
[08:20] <seek187> crimsun, can I put that in my sources.list or will it work?
[08:25] <seek187> n/m
[08:36] <volvoguy> hi everybody
[08:37] <pepsi> hi
[08:40] <volvoguy> hey, there were a few people recommending SWAT for configuring Samba the other day. in the warty, the SWAT package says that it depends on an older version of Samba and therefore won't install. Matt Z. said the package could be updated if somebody changes the dependencies (as it's in universe). this is my official plea if there's anyone here that knows how to do that. :-)
[08:41] <matson> hello
[08:42] <volvoguy> hi matson
[08:42] <matson> i have broblem with ntpd..
[08:43] <matson> can i get somehelp with it?
[08:43] <volvoguy> i don't think i can help with that one matson.
[08:43] <matson> ok..
[08:47] <nab_> nuja, adios
[08:49] <JDahl> matson, just ask your question... otherwise how do we know if we can help?
[08:52] <seek187> After enabling xcompmgr -c in xorg now all the windows go over my gnome panels... Is there any way to stop that?
[08:52] <oddabe19> killall gnome-panel
[08:53] <Lathiat> seek187: yes, dont use xcompmgr
[08:53] <Lathiat> you have to restart X to make it go away as well
[08:53] <oddabe19> Lathiat, no you don't
[08:53] <Lathiat> yes you do
[08:53] <matson> i made this: apt-get install ntp -> ok then i tried to start ntpd but it dosent work
[08:53] <seek187> Ahhh the killall thing worked :)
[08:54] <Lathiat> oh restarting gnomepanel
[08:54] <Lathiat> yeh guess that would work
[08:54] <oddabe19> like i said... you don't HAVE to
[08:54] <oddabe19> :-P
[08:54] <seek187> Nice now how do I get it to start up before the gnome panels load?
[08:54] <oddabe19> seek187, go into sessions and add program
[08:55] <seek187> in the startup?
[08:55] <oddabe19> no
[08:55] <alakdan> tried installing enligthenment, how do I put it on gdm sessions choice?
[08:55] <oddabe19> Computer => Desktop Preferences => sessions
[08:55] <jdub> no, that's not it
[08:55] <seek187> ohh and ad a session?
[08:55] <oddabe19> seek187, no, goto startup programs
[08:56] <seek187> lol
[08:56] <seek187> k
[08:56] <oddabe19> add xcompmgr -c and set the number to like 40
[08:56] <oddabe19> but composite and xcompmgr are extremely shady and buggy right now
[08:56] <JDahl> matson, do you get any error messsages when you start ntpd? (and are you running Warty?)
[08:56] <seek187> ok
[08:56] <matson> bash: ntpd: command not found
[08:56] <seek187> well if it gets to bad I will take it off
[08:57] <seek187> pretty neat tho
[08:57] <JDahl> matson: I think you need to install ntpserver also... (you probably used apt-get and didnt install recommended packages, right?)
[08:58] <matson> yes warty...what is the name of that package?
[08:59] <alakdan> where does gdm look for available window managers ?
[08:59] <Heisenberg> evening: could I get a helping hand regarding the network setup?
[08:59] <nevyn> alakdan: umm it's probably managed by alternatives... why?
[09:00] <alakdan> nevyn: I installed enlightenment and its not showing on gdm sessions
[09:00] <matson> JDahl, i did not find ntpd or similar package...
[09:00] <JDahl> matson, I dont think you're supposed to run ntpd yourself... try "sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart"
[09:01] <JDahl> matson, I was probably wrong - but I remember installing ntp + ntpserver on debian
[09:01] <oddabe19> alakdan, go into .xsession and add 'exec enlightenment'
[09:02] <JDahl> matson, then do "ps -ef | grep ntpd" to see if it is running
[09:03] <Heisenberg> my machine starts up DHCP and automatically gets a IP number assigned. Unfortunately it also gets a DNS server IP assigned that equals the gateway. Now, I have changed /etc/resolv.conf a couple of times, but Ubuntu always boots up using the wrong DNS number. Any ideas??
[09:03] <Treenaks> Heisenberg: two options: fix the DHCP server, or edit /etc/dhclient.conf
[09:03] <matson> JDahl, this:
[09:04] <matson> oops..root@ubuntu:/home/mika # ps -ef | grep ntpd
[09:04] <matson> root     23380 17071  0 10:03 pts/4    00:00:00 grep ntpd
[09:04] <alakdan> oddabe19: enlightenment is already there. does it mean on gdm sessions it will be listed?
[09:04] <Heisenberg> what does dhclient.conf do?
[09:04] <oddabe19> yes
[09:05] <oddabe19> alakdan, just log out
[09:05] <alakdan> ok, ill try that.
[09:06] <JDahl> matson, then I am out of ideas - you installed ntp and ntpdate?
[09:07] <oddabe19> matson, try this sudo ntpdate subitaneous.cpsc.ucalgary.ca
[09:07] <matson> JDahl, yes..i hawe done this many times in mdk and debian...
[09:07] <oddabe19> and see if it works
[09:08] <matson> JDahl, does it work in your computer?
[09:08] <matson> with ubuntu
[09:09] <JDahl> matson, yes, from the basic installation
[09:09] <oddabe19> alakdan, did that work
[09:09] <oddabe19> ?
[09:10] <alakdan> oddabe19: nope, enlightenment is not listed on the sessions , only xfce and the default Gnome
[09:10] <matson> JDahl, strange...ok thanks...i have to take maybe base-config again..
[09:10] <oddabe19> hmmm.... beats the hell outa me then... if you added exec enlightenment to .xsession it should be there
[09:28] <Taurendil> I love ubuntu, it has converted me from W!nD@w$, but my bootup is taking forever
[09:28] <Taurendil> it catches on the network interfaces and on the hotplug and each takes about a minute or more
[09:29] <Taurendil> anyone have any thoughts?
[09:30] <hypa7ia_> that sucks, Taurendil.  i'm having a few issues with hotplug too... maybe ask on the mailing list?
[09:31] <Taurendil> I may have to try that
[09:31] <mercurus> gretings all
[09:31] <Taurendil> hello
[09:31] <Taurendil> do you know much about slow boot times mercurus?
[09:31] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, what is your cpu
[09:31] <Taurendil> I have issues iwth hotplug and network
[09:32] <Taurendil> 1.8 GHz P4 notebook
[09:32] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, hyperthreading capable?
[09:32] <Taurendil> no
[09:32] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, are you using the stock kernel?
[09:32] <Taurendil> about 2 years old
[09:32] <Taurendil> whatever comes in the automatic install
[09:33] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, ok
[09:33] <punkass> have you got wireless set to auto..so it tries to find a dhcp server to connect to?
[09:33] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, just want to say that if you want hyperthreading/smp, you need to download the smp kernel
[09:33] <punkass> that will hang the networking thing..till it times out the search
[09:34] <Taurendil> it's set to use my specific SiteID I believe
[09:34] <Taurendil> how should I check that?
[09:35] <punkass> open a terminal and do: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[09:35] <punkass> and if u see: auto wlan0 or auto eth0 that means its going to look on boot up
[09:35] <Taurendil> Do I just edit out that line?
[09:36] <Taurendil> it is there
[09:36] <punkass> if you dont want it to start your network on boot up then yes you can comment that line out
[09:36] <punkass> or on boot up you can just Ctrl-C past it i believe
[09:37] <Taurendil> well, I want it to start, just not to take forever, and to use my site instead of searching
[09:37] <punkass> do u have wireless and lan on our notebook?
[09:37] <punkass> our=your
[09:37] <Taurendil> yup
[09:37] <Taurendil> and that's what I use
[09:38] <punkass> i meant wireless and wired
[09:38] <Taurendil> yes, I have both, but usually use the wireless
[09:38] <punkass> ok so comment out the eth0 so that it doesnt search for your wired network on boot up
[09:39] <punkass> just the auto eth0 line tho
[09:39] <Taurendil> Oh, I see, I was confused, eth0 is my wireless, and eth1 wired, but that makes sense, I'll take  out the eth1 auto
[09:39] <punkass> or you can use Computer > System Config > Networking
[09:39] <punkass> and just uncheck "Activate when the computer starts"
[09:40] <punkass> sometimes i forget about the gui way to do thing :)
[09:40] <Taurendil> LOL
[09:40] <Taurendil> thanks a million
[09:40] <punkass> np
[09:40] <Taurendil> I should have figured that out
[09:40] <punkass> so if you want to use wired you can just go there...and hit Activate
[09:40] <Taurendil> I'm a computer networking major, sometimes I'm a little slow
[09:41] <punkass> hehe
[09:41] <punkass> just not used to gui tools like that in linux
[09:41] <Taurendil> any clue on the hotplug delay?
[09:41] <punkass> hmm not really...can u tell what hotplug is trying to do when it hangs?
[09:42] <Taurendil> nope it gave one error on the floppy i don't have, but I put that in the blacklist
[09:42] <Taurendil> it didn't help any
[09:42] <Taurendil> it's just when it's booting
[09:42] <nab_> hi me.. again..
[09:42] <Taurendil> hello
[09:43] <punkass> maybe try and track it down in /var/log/messages?
[09:43] <Taurendil> I'll check
[09:43] <nab_> im totally confused about the kernels. i wanna update it using synaptic but im not sure what kernel i need. i have a amd_xp_2800+, is that k7 or 686?? :(
[09:43] <punkass>  cat /var/log/messages|grep hotplug gives me a few results
[09:44] <punkass> i thought ubuntu only had one kernel
[09:44] <nab_> is there a tool that tells me what version my cpu is?
[09:44] <deFrysk> nab , get linux-k7
[09:44] <nab_> Roger that!
[09:44] <Taurendil> it is just pci_hotplug and cpci_hotplug
[09:44] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[09:45] <nab_> i hope thats giving me a bit improvement over the default 386 build ;))
[09:45] <punkass> yeah thats all i have too
[09:45] <deFrysk> nab_, hardly , but some
[09:45] <Taurendil> is yours slow at boot there?
[09:46] <nab_> mine? no
[09:46] <deFrysk> nab_, its the thought that counts ;)
[09:46] <nab_> hehe
[09:46] <punkass> no that i noticed
[09:46] <punkass> no=not
[09:46] <Taurendil> hmm... are those just used for hotplugging, or do some devices rely on them?
[09:46] <Taurendil> and does the usb rely on them
[09:46] <nab_> but anyway, is there a tool or something that exactly tells me the cpus name/title/etc ?
[09:46] <deFrysk> Kernel: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-k7 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1801 Mhz | Mem usage: 139.9/250.8 MB (56%) | Swap usage: 0.3/478.4 MB (0%) | Disk usage(ST340016A): 21.7/31.7 GB (68%) | Uptime: 1 hr 30 mins 22 secs
[09:46] <deFrysk> like so ?
[09:47] <spacey`ki> Hostname: ki - OS: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-3-amd64-generic/x86_64 - CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ (797.949 MHz) - Processes: 133 - Uptime: 1d 19h 55m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 378.53MB/496.12MB (76.30%) - Disk Usage: 31.86GB/44.90GB (70.96%)
[09:47] <spacey`ki> :p
[09:47] <deFrysk> :D
[09:47] <nab_> because i found this one on ubuntu forum: sudo apt-get install linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP
[09:47] <punkass> Taurendil: to be honest i am not really sure..havent looked much into hotplug
[09:48] <deFrysk> nab_, xp processors use k-7
[09:48] <spacey`ki> but they also run 686
[09:48] <punkass> deFrysk: what was that command?
[09:48] <deFrysk>  /sinfo
[09:48] <Taurendil> thank you for your help, the network edit will cut my boot time in half
[09:48] <spacey`ki>  /sysinfo ;)
[09:48] <punkass> no prob
[09:48] <nab_> but 686 isnt much better than k7, right? just wanna be sure hehe
[09:48] <punkass> deFrysk: thanks
[09:48] <spacey`ki> nab_, if you have athlon take k7
[09:49] <nab_> okay then, thanks!
[09:49] <deFrysk> not sysinfo
[09:49] <punkass> ok where is sinfo
[09:49] <spacey`ki> doesn't seem to matter much
[09:49] <spacey`ki> i just got mine from scripts page of xchat.org
[09:50] <deFrysk> http://www.xs4all.nl/~masterpe/Perl/sinfo.pl
[09:50] <punkass> ah thanks..thought it was a system command
[09:50] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  | Res: 1280x1024, 16-bits | X-chat: 2.4.0
[09:50] <deFrysk> nice eh ?
[09:50] <deFrysk> ;p
[09:50] <Treenaks> deFrysk: only 16-bit ?
[09:51] <nab_> alrighty, im getting the kernel update and will be right back, cya!
[09:51] <b_e_n_z> tnt2??? still working???
[09:51] <deFrysk> Treenaks, plenty fot my old card ;0
[09:51] <punkass> Kernel: Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(tm)  @ 1666 Mhz | Mem usage: 242.3/504.5 MB (48%) | Swap usage: 2.7/488.2 MB (1%) | Disk usage(Maxtor 6E040L0): 5.2/37.2 GB (14%) | Uptime: 1 day 5 hrs 31 mins 50 secs
[09:52] <deFrysk> ok nuff flooding 4 2day :D
[09:54] <punkass> how did u do the video stuff?
[09:55] <bluewheel> punkass, what video stuff ?
[09:56] <punkass> deFrysk: just showed some video specs with the sinfo.pl script
[09:56] <thrift> Does anyone here have a hpt374 controller working under ubuntu?
[09:58] <punkass> ah got it
[10:01] <punkass> X.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: BenQ FP731 | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  | Res: 2304x1024, 24-bits |
[10:01] <punkass> :)
[10:02] <Treenaks> 2304x1024 ???
[10:02] <punkass> dual monitors...and 17"lcd and 17"crt
[10:02] <punkass> one is 1280x1024 other is 1024x768
[10:02] <sid77> omg, the weirdest thing I've ever seen
[10:03] <Treenaks> sid77: ?
[10:03] <sid77> dual monitor 17"
[10:03] <sid77> incredible! :)
[10:03] <punkass> lol..well i got a new 17"lcd so i figured why let this other monitor sit around
[10:04] <b_e_n_z> punkass, twinview?
[10:04] <punkass> yeah ive been eyein up some wide screen laptops...they are ppretty nice
[10:04] <punkass> yup
[10:04] <sid77> lol, the funniest thing is also combining an lcd and a crt
[10:04] <punkass> yeah the lcd makes my crt look like ass
[10:04] <sid77> ahahhahaha
[10:05] <punkass> but it will soon go and be replaced with a new lcd
[10:05] <punkass> hopefully sooner than later
[10:05] <Elwood> i used two monitor...not so funny :)
[10:05] <punkass> i could never go back to one
[10:06] <pepsi> but a crt has builtin theft prevention
[10:06] <Elwood> mmmh i need an i -book
[10:06] <punkass> why..cuz of there tank like weight
[10:06] <pepsi> yes
[10:06] <punkass> hehe
[10:06] <punkass> we have some huge 19's at work..man they are big
[10:06] <pepsi> 19" lcds?
[10:06] <pepsi> er wait
[10:07] <pepsi> 19'?
[10:07] <sid77> hope they won't be 19" crt
[10:07] <punkass> well those to..but 19" crts...weight a ton
[10:07] <sid77> aaargh
[10:07] <calc> i have a 21" crt that thing is pretty deep
[10:07] <pepsi> how much would an lcd that gives me 1600x1200 cost?
[10:07] <calc> pepsi: samsung 213T can be found for ~ $900 USD
[10:08] <pepsi> heh
[10:08] <calc> its pretty good and does 1600x1200
[10:08] <ttikk> i am trying to install os x
[10:08] <ttikk> it freezes
[10:08] <pepsi> hrm
[10:08] <calc> if i had a job i would have already bought one
[10:08] <ttikk> do i need to clear up the linux partitions first ?
[10:08] <bluewheel> ttikk ? what version of OSX ?
[10:08] <pepsi> id like to go past 1600x1200 too.. sigh
[10:08] <ttikk> 10.3
[10:08] <bluewheel> yea 10.2.8 has issues with linux partitions
[10:08] <ttikk> panther
[10:08] <sid77> ttikk, no you shouldn't
[10:08] <pepsi> every time i get a bigger monitor, i get used to the higher resolution and then want more
[10:08] <bluewheel> you need to make partitions under OSX
[10:08] <calc> pepsi: above 1600x1200 is expensive
[10:08] <pepsi> blah
[10:08] <calc> pepsi: see apple 30" lcd for example ;)
[10:09] <pepsi> yeah
[10:09] <pepsi> screw that
[10:09] <ttikk> my entire disk is ubuntu right now. i want to replace it with os x
[10:09] <bluewheel> then split it when you install ubuntu
[10:09] <calc> or the 1920x1200 lcds for ~ $2000
[10:09] <ttikk> disk freeses on bot
[10:09] <ttikk> what is the tool for managing partitions ?
[10:09] <bluewheel> parted
[10:09] <ttikk> thnx
[10:09] <bluewheel> np
[10:09] <pepsi> 1920x1200 could be okay
[10:09] <ttikk> where is it located ?
[10:09] <sid77> err... isn't it mac-cfdisk?
[10:09] <pepsi> i could see 2 facing pages on a pdf
[10:10] <calc> pepsi: but you could buy two 1600x1200 lcds for cheaper than one 1920x1200
[10:10] <pepsi> but then you have 2 lcds
[10:10] <bluewheel> yea mac-fdisk
[10:10] <punkass> 23" Wide W UXGA 1920x1200
[10:10] <punkass> benq
[10:11] <calc> pepsi: and a lot more screen space :)
[10:11] <ttikk> where is mac-fdisk located ?
[10:11] <calc> two 1600x1200 is roughly 65% bigger than a more expensive single 1920x1200
[10:11] <pepsi> i want 2024x1536
[10:11] <pepsi> :)
[10:12] <punkass> whoa that benq is 2266 canadian
[10:12] <calc> pepsi: why not just a 9MP display ;)
[10:12] <pepsi> where can i get one?
[10:12] <ttikk> is mac-cfdisk decompressed on the cd
[10:12] <calc> ibm and viewsonic make them, probably other companies too
[10:12] <pepsi> er i meant 2048x1536
[10:13] <pepsi> thats 3MP
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, what do you have on your disk?
[10:13] <pepsi> crap
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, only linux? many partitions?
[10:13] <ttikk> on the ramdisk for the cd
[10:13] <ttikk> only linux
[10:13] <ttikk> i am trying to remove all linux partitions
[10:13] <calc> IBM T221
[10:13] <pepsi> my 19" crt will have to do for a couple more years :(
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, and how is the partition table setted up?
[10:13] <calc> only around $8000
[10:13] <pepsi> hrm
[10:13] <sid77> set up
[10:13] <pepsi> lemme check my wallet
[10:13] <ttikk> via the default ubuntu installer
[10:13] <spacey`ki> i want dual 19" TFT setup :P
[10:14] <sid77> ok
[10:14] <ttikk> entire disk
[10:14] <sid77> ok
[10:14] <pepsi> hrm
[10:14] <pepsi> all i have are receipts showing that i USED to have money
[10:14] <ttikk> sid77, any advice ?
[10:14] <sid77> ttikk, I was answering the phone
[10:14] <sid77> sorry
[10:15] <ttikk> np
[10:15] <punkass> anyone havin problems when a window is maximized it covers the gnome-panels?
[10:15] <calc> pepsi: plus it requires a special video card since no desktop cards can drive anything near that big
[10:15] <sid77> ttikk, so do you want dual boot: os x a nd linux?
[10:15] <punkass> im using hoary.
[10:15] <ttikk> nah
[10:15] <pepsi> calc, same with the large apple display
[10:15] <seek187> punkass,  I did
[10:15] <ttikk> i just want to reinstall mac os x on the entire disk
[10:15] <ttikk> but it freezes when the CD loads
[10:15] <punkass> seek187: did u get it fixed?
[10:15] <calc> pepsi: yep, but the apple display is only about half the ibm resolution, heh ;)
[10:15] <calc> and ibm's is only ~ 20"
[10:15] <ttikk> so i was thinking i should remove all linux partitions
[10:16] <stuNNed> ttikk, think you can boot from apple install cd and run mac fdisk or something
[10:16] <pepsi> 9MP in 20"?!
[10:16] <ttikk> apple install cd stalls on boot
[10:16] <calc> ah 22" 9.2MP
[10:16] <pepsi> how is that useful at all?
[10:16] <pepsi> hrm
[10:16] <calc> pepsi: very detailed spy maps
[10:16] <sid77> uhmmm
[10:16] <seek187> punkass, yes just killall gnome-panel
[10:16] <sid77> ttikk, at which stage it freeze?
[10:16] <pepsi> can you even see 1 pixel?
[10:16] <seek187> it fixed mine
[10:16] <pepsi> its pretty hard to see a single pixel right now
[10:16] <ttikk> when the apple logo is on the screen
[10:16] <ttikk> the graphic gets slightly fucked up
[10:17] <ttikk> and it freezes
[10:17] <seek187> mine did it because of xcompmgr
[10:17] <Treenaks> xcompmgr makes everything _slow_
[10:18] <punkass> ah yes i think mine to...thanks
[10:18] <daniels> Treenaks: surprise surprise
[10:18] <punkass> but not as slow as i was expecting
[10:18] <Treenaks> daniels: oh I was prepared for slowness
[10:18] <bluewheel> ttikk, what model are you installing onto ?
[10:18] <ttikk> latest one
[10:18] <ttikk> 1.33ghz
[10:18] <seek187> punkass, do you have xcompmgr in Sessions?
[10:18] <ttikk> 12"
[10:18] <Treenaks> daniels: but I didn't think it would be as extreme as it is..
[10:18] <ttikk> powerbook
[10:18] <calc> pepsi: its 3840x2400 iirc four times the size of a 1920x1200 in a single 22" screen
[10:18] <punkass> no..i just havent logged out since i ran it
[10:18] <ttikk> i am not using my original disks though. i borrowed some disks from a friend
[10:18] <seek187> ah ok
[10:19] <calc> so no you probably can't see a single pixel without a magnifying glass
[10:19] <ttikk> seek187, any ideas ?
[10:19] <bluewheel> ttikk, what is the partition map on the machine at the moment ?
[10:19] <pepsi> thats pretty crazy
[10:19] <pepsi> buy me one, calc :)
[10:19] <seek187> ok it won't run again tho
[10:19] <bluewheel> does it have the origional apple ones ?
[10:19] <ttikk> bluewheel, how do i find out?
[10:19] <sid77> ttikk, open a terminal and run "sudo mac-fdisk -r -l"
[10:19] <ttikk> no, it has ubuntu entire disk partition
[10:19] <punkass> thanks seek187 worked like a charm
[10:19] <ttikk> sid77, i am booted from the ubuntu cd
[10:20] <seek187> ttikk, that's over my head :P
[10:20] <seek187> punkass, n/p
[10:20] <ttikk> i can't find mac-fdisk
[10:20] <bluewheel> sudo parted /dev/hda
[10:20] <bluewheel> then press p[return]
[10:20] <ttikk> sudo not found
[10:20] <ttikk> i am on the ubuntu boot cd
[10:20] <sid77> woah
[10:20] <ttikk> not on the installed version
[10:20] <sid77> try with parted only
[10:20] <bluewheel> oh your on the cd, sorry
[10:20] <ttikk> parted not found
[10:21] <ttikk> bluewheel, is parted on the cd ?
[10:21] <bluewheel> i don't know, only used it once
[10:21] <ttikk> can't seem to find it
[10:21] <sid77> which partitioning tool is on the cd?
[10:21] <ttikk> my disk might still be bootable
[10:21] <ttikk> let me try
[10:21] <punkass> daniels: is there a reason that only part of transset is available?
[10:22] <ttikk> my disk is not bootable
[10:22] <ttikk> how do i restore the partitions using the cd ?
[10:22] <sid77> can you run fdisk?
[10:22] <ttikk> i can't imagine why mac os x installer would die when encountering linux partitions
[10:22] <sid77> well, it shouldn't
[10:23] <bluewheel> ttikk, i had a simmilar problem a while back
[10:23] <sid77> afaik it should just ignore them and boot off the cd
[10:23] <bluewheel> think i used the OS 9 cd, or a 10.2 installer
[10:23] <ttikk> i am encountering the prob with 10.3 installer
[10:24] <sid77> have you any 10.2 cds as bluewheel suggested?
[10:24] <bluewheel> yea it was 10.3 that didn't work for me, but 10.2 did
[10:24] <ttikk> oh
[10:24] <ttikk> no, i dont
[10:24] <ttikk> can i exit the installer into a shell
[10:24] <ttikk> once parted has been loaded from pacakge
[10:25] <bluewheel> do you know anyone else with a powerbok or new ibook ? you could do a dd (pretty hacky, but worth a try if nothing else works)
[10:25] <ttikk> the installer wont let me continue with no partitions on the disk
[10:26] <sid77> wait, which installer?
[10:26] <sid77> os x or ubuntu?
[10:26] <daniels> Treenaks: you hit by far the slowest path through the acceleration architecture
[10:26] <ttikk> ubuntu
[10:26] <sid77> (I'm getting a bit lost)
[10:26] <sid77> ok
[10:26] <ttikk> why can't i run parted from the ubuntu cd
[10:26] <daniels> punkass: yes -- it was late, I was in the middle of getting kicked out of an internet cafe because they wee closing, and I was tired
[10:26] <sid77> from the installer can you choose "manually partitioning your disk"
[10:26] <sid77> ?
[10:27] <punkass> hehe..ah ok..no worries
[10:27] <seek187> lol
[10:28] <ttikk> sid77, that's what i did
[10:28] <seek187> how do you use transset?
[10:28] <ttikk> sid77, but it won't let me proceed with an empty disk
[10:28] <punkass> not sure yet
[10:28] <sid77> but can you save the partition table and reboot?
[10:28] <sid77> or it simply do not let you do it?
[10:29] <ttikk> i don't think it saves the partition table
[10:29] <ttikk> seems not to
[10:29] <sid77> what does it say?
[10:29] <ttikk> can i exit the installer
[10:29] <ttikk> or get a term somehow
[10:30] <ttikk> it say "no root filesystem is defined. please correct this from the partitioning menu:
[10:30] <ttikk> continue or go back
[10:30] <sid77> uh
[10:30] <ttikk> both take me to the same plce
[10:30] <ttikk> i got a shell
[10:30] <ttikk> but my keyboard doesn't work now
[10:31] <ttikk> oh
[10:31] <ttikk> numlock was on
[10:31] <ttikk> lol
[10:31] <sid77> -.-
[10:31] <sid77> lol
[10:31] <ttikk> so
[10:31] <ttikk> now i have parted
[10:31] <sid77> lol
[10:32] <ttikk> mac-fdisk -r -l should do the trick ?
[10:32] <sid77> that should print the partition table
[10:32] <ttikk> returns nothing
[10:32] <sid77> do it, please
[10:32] <sid77> what?!?
[10:33] <sid77> ah, yes
[10:33] <ttikk> what is the device location
[10:33] <sid77> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/hda
[10:33] <sid77> forgot it ;D
[10:33] <ttikk> there is no dev/hda
[10:33] <sid77> dhu
[10:33] <ttikk> there are subdirectories in /dev
[10:33] <sid77> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/disk0
[10:33] <sid77> or something similar?
[10:34] <ttikk> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc
[10:34] <ttikk> ok
[10:34] <sid77> yatta!
[10:34] <ttikk> i have a linux native, linux swap, partition map, and newworld bootblock
[10:34] <sid77> ok
[10:35] <ttikk> should i delete all of them ?
[10:35] <sid77> this could be a try
[10:35] <sid77> I really do not know how os x react
[10:35] <sid77> but you could try it
[10:35] <ttikk> or should i just delete the 2 linux partitions ?
[10:36] <ttikk> how do i remove partitions ?
[10:36] <sid77> try only with swap and /
[10:36] <sid77> leave partition map and bootblock
[10:37] <ttikk> oh
[10:37] <ttikk> fdisk
[10:37] <ttikk> i've used this in openbsd
[10:37] <sid77> yeah
[10:37] <sid77> afterall is just mac-... fdisk
[10:37] <sid77> !
[10:38] <sid77> when you are finished reboot os x, if it will not work delete also the bootblock
[10:38] <ttikk> so partition map and newworld bootblock are supposed to stay ?
[10:38] <sid77> yes
[10:38] <sid77> partitionmap is important
[10:38] <ttikk> os x should boot on a blank disk, right ?.
[10:38] <ttikk> oh
[10:38] <sid77> sure
[10:38] <arun--> exit
[10:38] <ttikk> what is partition map ?
[10:38] <ttikk> something i have to run
[10:39] <sid77> afaik it should describe the partitions which are present onto your disk
[10:40] <ttikk> still froze
[10:40] <ttikk> looks like i need to get rid of newworld
[10:40] <sid77> ?
[10:41] <sid77> yes, try removing bootblock
[10:44] <x0563511> can anyone help me get MPlayer going? Ive tried installing the mplayer-custom package, but the program wouldnt run (somehting about invalid instruction). I have purged the packaged, so i can start clean again...
[10:45] <sid77> ttikk, how is going?
[10:45] <ttikk> trying
[10:45] <ttikk> erased bootblock
[10:45] <ttikk> fuck
[10:45] <ttikk> now i get a circle with a line through it
[10:46] <ttikk> maybe i should erase the partition map partition too ?
[10:46] <ttikk> the CD should be able to boot onto an empty disk
[10:46] <x0563511> can anyone help me?
[10:46] <daniels> sjoerd: hm
[10:46] <daniels> sjoerd: does Option IgnoreEDID help?
[10:46] <ttikk> when i boot holding down the 'c' key
[10:46] <ttikk> it still freezes
[10:47] <ttikk> sid77, should i delete the partition map ?
[10:47] <sid77> really do not know
[10:47] <ttikk> can't hurt right
[10:47] <ttikk> what happens if your disk dies
[10:47] <ttikk> and you install a new one
[10:47] <ttikk> and want to install os x
[10:47] <|trey|> x0563511: just install mplayer-(nogui,586,k6,etc) and search for a package called "w32codecs" from www.apt-get.org, and install that...
[10:48] <sid77> have you ant other mac here?
[10:48] <ttikk> no
[10:48] <sid77> uh
[10:48] <sid77> if anything will not work
[10:48] <sid77> you could also boot the pbook with t pressed
[10:48] <ttikk> what is T ?
[10:48] <ttikk> clears the disk ?
[10:48] <|trey|> Stupid question... what package contains the Applications > System Tools > Shares in Ubuntu, I don't know what to file a bug on  (got disconnected earlier, this is a continuation..)
[10:48] <sid77> it will act as a "big" firewire disk
[10:49] <sid77> Target mode
[10:49] <x0563511> |trey|, i have w32codecs in. The only mplayer packages i have listed are: mozilla-mplayer; mplayer-custom; mplayer-doc; mplayer-fonts; xmms-xmmplayer
[10:49] <ttikk> but that requires another computer ?
[10:49] <sid77> so you can format it from another mac
[10:49] <sid77> yes
[10:49] <Treenaks> |trey|: the bug already exists (it should use sudo, not su)
[10:49] <|trey|> x0563511: hmm... you should have more  :(
[10:49] <ttikk> why would the disk need to be formatted though
[10:49] <ttikk> the installer should be able to do it
[10:49] <|trey|> Treenaks: ahh, I searched, didn't see it  :(
[10:49] <ttikk> lame..
[10:49] <x0563511> |trey|, i have the main, restricted, security, universe, and multiverse repositories up
[10:49] <Nafallo> x0563511: mplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts and mozilla-mplayer would do.
[10:50] <sid77> ttikk, last step could also be resetting the nvram
[10:50] <x0563511> ok, ill report back after install
[10:50] <Nafallo> |trey|: this is multiverse, not debian-marillat repository :-)
[10:50] <ttikk> sid: do you think ubuntu touched the nvram ?
[10:50] <sid77> sure
[10:50] <ttikk> what the fuck
[10:50] <ttikk> why ?
[10:50] <sid77> yaboot use it
[10:50] <ttikk> oh shit
[10:50] <ttikk> that must be the problem
[10:50] <ttikk> how do i restore the nvram ?
[10:51] <x0563511> Nafallo, should i add the marilllat repos? i have it, its just switched off
[10:51] <sid77> it is not ubuntu fault however
[10:51] <ttikk> ?
[10:51] <Nafallo> x0563511: naah, it's not needed :-)
[10:51] <sid77> www.apple.com
[10:51] <ttikk> huh ?
[10:51] <|trey|> Nafallo: I am aware... his packages were in Multiverse last I checked though  :/
[10:51] <sid77> under documentation
[10:51] <x0563511> Nafallo, only for w32codecs, in my case
[10:51] <sid77> search for "resetting the nvram"
[10:51] <x0563511> ok, install is complete
[10:51] <ttikk> wait, how is it not ubuntu's fault /
[10:51] <x0563511> what should i run?
[10:51] <sid77> every model has is own method
[10:51] <Nafallo> |trey|: yepp, and the mplayerpackage from him is mplayer-custom :-)
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, because yaboot is the only boot manager avalaible for new world mac
[10:52] <|trey|> Nafallo: currently, I am seeing NO mplayer packages... only thing returned when searching for mplayer is mga-vid-source
[10:52] <Nafallo> |trey|: or mplayer-amd64 in my case ;-)
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, every linux distro use it
[10:52] <ttikk> sid: can yaboot restore the original nvrame ?
[10:52] <Nafallo> |trey|: are you sure you have added multiverse and updated packagelists?
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, do not think so
[10:52] <|trey|> Nafallo: umm, yeah...
[10:52] <x0563511> what do i do now? Synaptic just finished
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, it is just a combo done with keyboard
[10:53] <Nafallo> |trey|: then you should find them :-).
[10:53] <ttikk> k
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, search it under apple website
[10:53] <ttikk> cool
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, I will also look for it
[10:53] <ttikk> i found it
[10:53] <Nafallo> x0563511: start it :-).  I haven't got any troubles :-).
[10:58] <ttikk> i am trying to understand what the circle with line through it means
[10:58] <x0563511> :/ can you upload the "/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf" file somewhere so i can compare it to mine?
[10:59] <Nafallo> x0563511: sure :-)
[10:59] <|trey|> ttikk: We are not here to help with Mac OS X issues... sorry...
[10:59] <sid77> ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?
[10:59] <ttikk> |trey|, is it OS X ?
[10:59] <ttikk> or it is firmware ?
[10:59] <|trey|> ttikk: either way, its not Ubuntu...
[11:00] <x0563511> |trey|, thats kind of closed minded. You should try to help if you can
[11:00] <sid77> ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?
[11:00] <|trey|> x0563511: I help with Ubuntu issues... this isn't one...
[11:00] <Nafallo> x0563511: http://ogre.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/mplayer.conf
[11:00] <ttikk> ubuntu doesn't boot from disk
[11:00] <ttikk> ubuntu boots from cd
[11:00] <sid77> ttikk, from CD
[11:00] <|trey|> He is asking us to support him leaving Ubuntu... this is kinda the wrong place for that...
[11:01] <ttikk> |trey|, why? i am moving it to my PC?
[11:01] <|trey|> ttikk: ...and we will be more then willing to help with any issue you might have with that process...
[11:01] <Nafallo> |trey|: you can't seem to understand that some ppl want dual-boot?
[11:01] <|trey|> ttikk: most here have NEVER ran OS X... its kinda pointless asking here...
[11:02] <|trey|> Nafallo: oh, I can, thats not what he's trying to do though...
[11:02] <ttikk> i can dual boot
[11:02] <x0563511> Nafallo, hmm, nothing different (except im 4:3, different size disk cache)
[11:02] <ttikk> how ?
[11:02] <|trey|> Nafallo: I am multi-booting 5 OS's currently...
[11:02] <Nafallo> |trey|: hmm, oki. misunderstanding here then :-).
[11:02] <ttikk> |trey|, help me dual boot
[11:02] <x0563511> Nafallo, maybe the skin is bad?
[11:02] <Nafallo> x0563511: the things I did edit in my then ;-).
[11:03] <Nafallo> x0563511: ahh! right!
[11:03] <|trey|> ttikk: not familier with yaboot, sorry... else I would  ;)
[11:03] <sid77> ttikk, for dual boot you need ubuntu and os x
[11:03] <x0563511> Nafallo, it may have not installed a default skin...
[11:03] <Nafallo> x0563511: you should be able to run mplayer from console though.
[11:03] <|trey|> ttikk: look at some yellow dog docs, they are the Apple specialists in the Linux business  :)
[11:03] <sid77> ttikk, right now we have some problems getting one of them out ;)
[11:03] <x0563511> Nafallo, same error when launching "mplayer"
[11:03] <ttikk> i understand
[11:04] <sid77> ttikk, I really do not know the symbol displayed at boot time, for now you should run with ubuntu only
[11:04] <x0563511> Nafallo, arg! last install i compiled it all myself and it worked. Of course, the files were all in the wrong places and such...
[11:04] <Lowry> hi all
[11:04] <|trey|> ttikk: seriously, most OS X folks migrate to Yellow Dog first, so thats the best place to look first for answers, they've experienced and worked around everything that can come up  :)
[11:04] <ttikk> my wifi doesnt work in ubuntu
[11:05] <Nafallo> x0563511: yea, I compiled it to :-)
[11:05] <|trey|> Nafallo: too*
[11:05] <|trey|> ;)
[11:05] <sid77> ttikk, extreme will not work under linux
[11:05] <Lowry> I hope I followed all the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[11:05] <x0563511> Nafallo, ! it means invalid _PROCESSOR_ instruction!
[11:05] <|trey|> Nafallo: you go to the store... he came too...  :)
[11:06] <Lowry> When I tested the result with grep "direct rendering"
[11:06] <|trey|> x0563511: what kind of processor you have?
[11:06] <x0563511> Nafallo, no wonder its not working right..
[11:06] <Nafallo> |trey|: hehe :-)
[11:06] <x0563511> |trey|, athlon 900mhz (i686 kernel and modules)
[11:06] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-get install mplayer-k6
[11:06] <Nafallo> i686?
[11:06] <x0563511> yep
[11:06] <x0563511> running fine
[11:06] <Nafallo> x0563511: well, k7?
[11:06] <Lowry> I got Xlib: extension "Xfree86-DRI" missing on display ":0,0"
[11:07] <|trey|> x0563511: you should be running kernel k7, mplayer has no k7 package though, so k6
[11:07] <x0563511> ive always had problems with kernels i compiled for K6/K7. usually using i686 worked fine though
[11:07] <sid77> ttikk, leave ubuntu for now and serach apple documentation for meaning of that symbol
[11:07] <ttikk> that's what i'm trying
[11:07] <Nafallo> |trey|: you're still in debian-marillat are you? ;-)
[11:07] <ttikk> i don't know what it's called
[11:07] <Lowry> 0.0".
[11:07] <ttikk> it's the circle and line around the no smoking sign
[11:07] <|trey|> Nafallo: damnit, no...
[11:08] <x0563511> is there an mplayer-i686? (or mplayer-i386 even?)
[11:08] <|trey|> x0563511: 686, yes
[11:08] <sid77> ttikk, sorry but my knowledge finish here
[11:08] <x0563511> ill try that one
[11:08] <|trey|> x0563511: mplayer-686
[11:08] <Nafallo> |trey|: oki. it might be my server that haven't got the updates then :-P
[11:08] <x0563511> should i purge mplayer-custom or just remove it?
[11:09] <|trey|> Nafallo: mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[11:09] <|trey|> blah
[11:09] <jono> anyone interested in writing something for a book about the framebuffer?
[11:09] <x0563511> is there an apt-search?
[11:09] <x0563511> kind of thing?
[11:09] <|trey|> Nafallo: Depends: mplayer-586  ... blah
[11:10] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-cache search
[11:10] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-cache show is useful too  :)
[11:11] <x0563511> arg
[11:11] <x0563511> i think im going to have to get it from the pool manually
[11:11] <x0563511> JUST like i did swat
[11:11] <ttikk> maybe because this isn't the disc that came with my computer
[11:11] <ttikk> that could be it
[11:11] <|trey|> ttikk: I could be sooooo mean to you  :(
[11:12] <ttikk> |trey|, you were gonna kick me ?
[11:12] <x0563511> i found this in the pool:
[11:12] <x0563511> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-686_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:12] <|trey|> Physically, if it were possible, I would have by now... I don't have the power here though, you're lucky  ;)
[11:12] <x0563511> would this work?
[11:13] <|trey|> x0563511: would be a waste... -686 is a transitional package only, depends on -586
[11:13] <x0563511> how bout this one?
[11:13] <x0563511> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-386_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:13] <x0563511> theres a 586 one too
[11:14] <|trey|> Nafallo: oh, just for kicks... apt-cache show mplayer-586 and look at the maintainer   ;)
[11:14] <|trey|> x0563511: pay attention dude... get the 586 package.
[11:14] <Nafallo> I'm on amd64, and my server doesn't have multiverse in sources.list ;-)
[11:14] <x0563511> sorry, its 5:15 am here, and i havent slept yet
[11:15] <x0563511> omg
[11:15] <x0563511> mplayer586 is whining because the libs i have are newer
[11:15] <|trey|> Nafallo: from the packages in multiverse: Maintainer: Christian Marillat<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <|trey|> x0563511: such things are the reason I run hoary  8)
[11:16] <Nafallo> |trey|: I do know that. BUT. zcat ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep mplayer- only finds mplayer-custom, fonts, docs.
[11:17] <x0563511> arg
[11:17] <x0563511> synaptic says theres a broken package
[11:17] <x0563511> use the "broken" filter to find it
[11:17] <Nafallo> |trey|: you SHOULD have said you do run hoary though ;-)
[11:17] <x0563511> ... how exactly do these filters work?
[11:17] <|trey|> Nafallo: uhh, why?
[11:18] <Lowry> Is xlibmesa3 a solution to my error message?
[11:18] <Nafallo> |trey|: in hoary's multiverse all packages shows up.
[11:18] <Lowry> xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk
[11:18] <|trey|> Lowry: depends, whats the error message say?
[11:18] <Nafallo> |trey|: warty's multiverse has got mplayer-custom only :-)
[11:18] <Lowry> "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"
[11:19] <Lowry> From trying http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[11:19] <x0563511> er
[11:20] <x0563511> i need a library of a higher version than what synaptic has listed
[11:20] <|trey|> Lowry: ahh... can't help, not running xfree  :/
[11:20] <x0563511> can i use apt to grab a specific version?
[11:21] <Nafallo> x0563511: well. you are probably running warty and are trying to run packages from hoary ;-).
[11:21] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-get -t hoary
[11:21] <Lowry> I have hoary installed
[11:21] <x0563511> Nafallo, but im in the warty distro section?!
[11:21] <x0563511> |trey|, thats not the whole command...
[11:21] <|trey|> x0563511: gets complicated though... need to know how to pin, and yeah.. I don't wanna explain...
[11:21] <Nafallo> x0563511: nope. you're in pool.
[11:22] <Nafallo> x0563511: in pool packages you got packages for all releases :-)
[11:22] <x0563511> :/ if i go get the tarball, can you tell me what prefixes to pass to config so the files go where they should?
[11:22] <|trey|> x0563511: umm... heh... 'apt-get -t hoary install libblah1 libfoo2'  :/
[11:23] <x0563511> wait a min...
[11:23] <x0563511> ive got warty installed... but if i switch my synaptic repos to hoary, can i upgrade to it?
[11:23] <|trey|> x0563511: /j #debian-bots and type /msg dpkg pinning
[11:23] <x0563511> or will that bork stuff?
[11:24] <|trey|> x0563511: you should add hoary listings to /etc/apt/sources.list and set warty to a higher priority...
[11:24] <seek187> In mplayer when I open it it says im missing subfont.tff? and I don't have it on my system how do I find it?
[11:24] <mirak> how to enable numerical extraction of audio cd in linux ?
[11:24] <Treenaks> seek187: that's normal
[11:24] <seek187> oh
[11:24] <|trey|> mirak: use sound-juicer
[11:24] <Nafallo> well, gone now
[11:24] <x0563511> |trey|, can i do that in synaptic? im trying to avoid editing config files by hand
[11:24] <seek187> Treenaks, is there any way to make it quit saying that?
[11:25] <|trey|> x0563511: no
[11:25] <Treenaks> seek187: yes, reading the manual
[11:25] <|trey|> seek187: install mplayer-fonts
[11:25] <seek187> k
[11:25] <x0563511> |trey|, would i have a hard time understanding the file's syntax?
[11:25] <seek187> thanks
[11:25] <|trey|> x0563511: it took me about 5 secs to figure it out  :/
[11:26] <x0563511> wow that is simple
[11:26] <x0563511> so, what determines priority?
[11:26] <|trey|> x0563511: did you read the faq?
[11:26] <|trey|> factoid*
[11:26] <x0563511> all it does is yak about the universe repos
[11:27] <|trey|> eh, actually its not that clear... just the size of the number...
[11:27] <x0563511> what number?
[11:27] <|trey|> x0563511: s/sid/hoary
[11:27] <x0563511> ?
[11:28] <|trey|> and ignore what it says about testing...
[11:28] <x0563511> all im seeing are lines like this:
[11:28] <x0563511> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[11:28] <x0563511> no numbers, no helpful comments
[11:28] <|trey|> x0563511: "Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"
[11:28] <|trey|> put that in the file
[11:29] <x0563511> ok, what does that do?
[11:29] <x0563511> and are those \n newlines, or do i leave them as escape codes?
[11:29] <|trey|> x0563511: makes it pick warty packages first, but will look in hoary if the package doesn't exist in warty...
[11:30] <x0563511> usefull
[11:30] <x0563511> do i convert the \ns into CRs?
[11:30] <|trey|> x0563511: so it will use the new libs in hoary because warty equivs don't satisfy deps...
[11:31] <|trey|> x0563511: uhh... what I said will work  :/
[11:31] <jono> anyone here know about bluetooth?
[11:31] <x0563511> "Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"
[11:31] <x0563511> exactly like that?
[11:31] <polytan> bonjour
[11:32] <|trey|> x0563511: should, yeah... man apt_preferences if you want to be sure...
[11:32] <|trey|> I haven't read it in a while  :/
[11:32] <x0563511> synaptic yelled at me about package:
[11:33] <|trey|> x0563511: Package: should be for instance mplayer-686:
[11:33] <|trey|> I think you can do *, but not sure  :/
[11:33] <x0563511> so i cant just have hoary as part of the Repository list...
[11:34] <|trey|> x0563511: it won't work at all if you don't specify hoary in sources.list...
[11:34] <pepsi> whorey
[11:34] <x0563511> now im really confused. Is there something else im supposed to add?
[11:34] <|trey|> x0563511: haha, I told you it was complicated  :)
[11:35] <x0563511> ok, ive added:
[11:35] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:35] <x0563511> Pin: release a=hoary
[11:35] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: 900
[11:35] <|trey|> x0563511: just add hoary sources to your sources.list, and put that stuff into /etc/apt/preferences...
[11:35] <mirak> hi
[11:35] <|trey|> x0563511: no... package should be the package name...
[11:36] <mirak> can I use the cedega debian package on ubuntu ?
[11:37] <|trey|> x0563511: here, 'APT::Default-Release "warty"' replace the pinning thing with that... and set hoary and warty in /etc/sources.list...
[11:37] <|trey|> x0563511: ahh, actually, you were right  :o
[11:38] <x0563511> what?
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=hoary
 Pin-Priority: 900
[11:38] <x0563511> so... what exactly should i do now? from the start
[11:38] <|trey|> Those values will work...
[11:38] <x0563511> that goes in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70apt<something>?
[11:38] <mirak> can I use debian packages ?
[11:38] <|trey|> x0563511: I've said 2 different things that should do the same thing... which are you more comfortable with?
[11:38] <Echylo> heey, is there a good torrent client for ubuntu in synaptic?
[11:38] <|trey|> mirak: its not recommended
[11:38] <x0563511> neither...
[11:39] <x0563511> ive got the pinning part already in halfway though
[11:39] <|trey|> x0563511: haha... ok... ignore what I said about Default-Release, pinning will handle that...
[11:40] <|trey|> x0563511: seriously, read the man page, its written by people that wrote the features in...  :)
[11:40] <|trey|> x0563511: pinning is good to get down though, useful  :)
[11:40] <x0563511> so do i want to add the distro "hoary" from archive.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:40] <x0563511> and hoary-security from security.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:40] <x0563511> * ubuntu.com in both
[11:41] <|trey|> x0563511: yes... they will be the same as warty, only with 'hoary' instead...
[11:41] <x0563511> Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:6: Extra junk at end of file
 * ubuntu.com in both  <-- not this though..
[11:42] <x0563511> WHERE is the pinning stuff supposed to go?
[11:42] <|trey|> x0563511: in /etc/apt/preferences
[11:42] <x0563511> nonexistant
[11:42] <Treenaks> create it then
[11:42] <|trey|> x0563511: then make it...
[11:42] <x0563511> wait a tick
[11:42] <x0563511> the pinning you gave me adds "debian" at -10 priority?
[11:43] <|trey|> Should be hoary...
[11:43] <x0563511> theres 2
[11:43] <x0563511> hoary
[11:43] <x0563511> and then a debian one
[11:43] <|trey|> Default priority = 0... this makes it less important then warty...
[11:44] <x0563511> this is what you told me to enter:
[11:44] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin: release a=hoary
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: 900
[11:44] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin: release o=Debian
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: -10
[11:45] <|trey|> x0563511: I can't find what -o means  :(
[11:45] <|trey|> x0563511: just get rid of that... hoary needs to be -10 though..
[11:45] <x0563511> so, disregard the whole second section... and set hoary's priority to -10?
[11:45] <x0563511> ok
[11:46] <|trey|> yes... if you want, you can even set the 'debian' entry to 'warty, and make it 900 though... just to make sure its seen as default  :)
[11:46] <x0563511> but what did the o=Debian mean? Hoary had an a=
[11:47] <|trey|> x0563511: I'm not entirely sure, I don't see it mentioned  :(
[11:47] <x0563511> use a=?
[11:48] <|trey|> x0563511: sure... just make sure the number is a lot higher for warty then hoary, and nothing else should really matter  :)
[11:48] <x0563511> hey! mplayer actually shows up in the list now
[11:48] <x0563511> ty
[11:48] <x0563511> and sorry for all the trouble
[11:48] <Adrenal> i installed firefox
[11:48] <|trey|> x0563511: next time you see mdz around though, you can pick his brain on the subject, he wrote apt afaik  :)
[11:48] <Adrenal> whats the apt-get command to install firefox 1.0?
[11:49] <|trey|> Adrenal: the final release hasn't gotten in yet... you can use the installer though... my instructor said it worked for him...
[11:49] <Adrenal> kk
[11:49] <Adrenal> which folder do i install it to?
[11:49] <Adrenal> like, which is ff normally installed to
[11:49] <Adrenal> don't want clutter
[11:49] <|trey|> Adrenal: doesn't matter...
[11:49] <x0563511> hrm
[11:49] <Adrenal> i know
[11:50] <Adrenal> meh, thanks
[11:50] <x0563511> if i uninstall all of the linux-686 packages, and replace them with linux-k7 packages... would that break stuff?
[11:50] <|trey|> x0563511: umm, if you take a long time to reboot, it might...
[11:51] <x0563511> |trey|, what do you mean?
[11:52] <|trey|> x0563511: right now, everything is in ram... modules, everything... if it starts to replace things there for whatever reason, and the modules are gone, it can't reload them, best case scenario your sys freezes...
[11:52] <|trey|> its just a bad thing though...
[11:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: uh.. it doesn't need to reload them, it won't freeze
[11:53] <|trey|> x0563511: so, once the 686 packages are gone, and the k7 packages are installed and configured (in grub, done automatically), just reboot
[11:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: and if it needs to reload, but the driver is gone, it'll just put an error in the log and continue
[11:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: the k7 packages put the modules in different dirs..
[11:53] <|trey|> Treenaks: I'm just saying... it even pops up a message when you try to remove the current kernel about it...
[11:53] <x0563511> so i can install the k7 packages without removing the 686 ones?
[11:53] <|trey|> x0563511: sure...
[11:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: that's also about the kernel (hotplug for example) trying to load modules that don't exist anymore..
[11:54] <x0563511> then reboot into k7, then remove the 686 (provided everything works)
[11:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: freezing is very, very unlikely
[11:54] <|trey|> x0563511: grub doesn't know about the differences in the kernels, it just does what its told  :)
[11:54] <x0563511> k, ill try that
[11:54] <|trey|> Treenaks: sure... its unlikely... but the longer you wait to reboot, the higher the chance...
[11:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: no.
[11:55] <|trey|> Treenaks: I've kept a system running without a kernel being installed for about a week just to see what happens... trust me its ugly...
[11:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: it won't crash if you remove the modules or kernel image <period>
[11:56] <Treenaks> |trey|: I've run a kernel-less system for a year.. I noticed when I had a power failure
[11:56] <x0563511> question...
[11:57] <x0563511> there are linux-image-2.6-k7, and kernel-image-2.6-k7
[11:57] <x0563511> whats the difference? the description is the same
[11:57] <|trey|> x0563511: get linux...
[11:57] <x0563511> k
[11:57] <mawa> hi
[11:57] <|trey|> x0563511: not sure why they are both there... Ubuntu appeared to change the name to linux-image though... debian's way is kernel...
[11:58] <mawa> I can't get my printer to work with Ubuntu, maybe someone of you can help me?
[11:58] <|trey|> mawa: www.LinuxPrinting.org
[11:59] <|trey|> mawa: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/
[12:00] <x0563511> so, am i going to get anything noticable from switching from 686 to k7?
[12:00] <x0563511> and, more importantly, will programs ive compiled be incompatible?
[12:01] <|trey|> x0563511: hmm, actually... linux-image = warty, kernel-image = hoary... safer to go with linux-image though...
[12:01] <x0563511> well, the description and version tags are identical
[12:01] <mawa> |trey|: thanks. that's a lot of information, though... at first, I'd simply like to have some debugging output from gnome-cups-manager because it silently fails each time I try to add the printer
[12:01] <x0563511> but ill stick with the linux ones
[12:01] <|trey|> x0563511: you should notice your system is more smooth feeling etc... it should feel faster due to actually being for your hardware...
[12:02] <x0563511> i _have_ noticed occasional hiccups
[12:02] <x0563511> what about graphics preformance?
[12:03] <|trey|> x0563511: Hoary is currently merging with Sid, thats the reason for the name change... they will likely become kernel-image for release...
[12:03] <x0563511> wtf.
[12:03] <x0563511> Do you wish to stop now? [y/n] n
[12:03] <x0563511> OK, aborting
[12:03] <x0563511> ... does that make much sense?
[12:03] <|trey|> x0563511: hah... do it again... it sometimes argues with you  ;)
[12:04] <|trey|> x0563511: you can outsmart software  ;)
[12:04] <x0563511> there, it worked this time
[12:04] <x0563511> lol
[12:04] <mawa> when I try to install the printer by hand, I get "server-error-internal-error"
[12:04] <|trey|> x0563511: told you you could do it  8)
[12:05] <x0563511> Thats almost as bad as the classic MS "Drive out of space, try deleting some files first" when you try to delete something
[12:05] <x0563511> ok, ill be back. rebooting
[12:08] <x0563511> wow! much faster
[12:10] <jono> anyone here use distcc?
[12:12] <x0563511> wth!
[12:12] <x0563511> Package mplayer-586 has no available version, but exists in the database.
[12:13] <x0563511> aha!
[12:14] <x0563511> debian-marillat has it, along with 386, 686, k6, and k7
[12:14] <nevyn> yeah.
[12:15] <x0563511> omg
[12:15] <x0563511> mplayer-386:
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[12:15] <x0563511>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>   Depends: libfaad2-0 but 2.0.0-0.1 is to be installed
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[12:15] <nevyn> umm libvorbis isn't installable?
[12:16] <marcdm> Hey anyone ever have a prob with Warthog installer?
[12:16] <StarScream> marcdm: more specific?
[12:16] <marcdm> I'm trying to replace a slackware system with Ubuntu but it fails when it gets to installing initrd-tools
[12:17] <Treenaks> marcdm: please check if the MD5 of the CD and image are the same as the one listed on the site
[12:17] <Treenaks> marcdm: if they don't match, that's the problem
[12:18] <alexeijh> is anyone elses mplayer-custom from multiverse not working?
[12:18] <marcdm> Treenaks: The md5 of the image is the same
[12:18] <Treenaks> marcdm: and of the CD itself?
[12:18] <StarScream> bob2: are you there?
[12:19] <marcdm> then I used Both K3b and nero to burn the CD.
[12:19] <x0563511> hmm i think apt is having a cramp, i can install the missing libs one by one fine
[12:19] <Treenaks> marcdm: (have you tryied burning at a lower speed)
[12:19] <marcdm> 2 different CDs both the same error....
[12:19] <marcdm> lower speed....
[12:19] <marcdm> hmmm. no I have tried that.
[12:23] <x0563511> HOLY messed up deps
[12:23] <x0563511> that maintainer has to be beaten with a stick
[12:23] <pepsi> my farts smell really bad
[12:24] <pepsi> im ashamed
[12:24] <Treenaks> pepsi: off-topic, use another channel
[12:24] <pepsi> kma
[12:24] <Treenaks> pepsi: or post it to grouphug.us
[12:25] <marcdm> Treenaks: I'm booting knoppix on the machine now to check the CD.  Since the other linux box on my network refuses to read the WW cd
[12:26] <Treenaks> that's strange
[12:26] <pepsi> Treenaks, off-topic, use another channel
[12:26] <pepsi> :P
[12:26] <x0563511> sigh... marillot's dependencies are way off kilter
[12:28] <marcdm> when I execute md4sum /dev/cdrom I get i/o error
[12:28] <Treenaks> marcdm: then the CD is mis-burned..
[12:28] <Treenaks> (md5sub I hope..)
[12:28] <marcdm> md5sum
[12:29] <x0563511> can i force apt-get to ignore deps?
[12:29] <Treenaks> uh yes
[12:29] <Treenaks> x0563511: no
[12:29] <Gmail> where is kernel 2.6.9??
[12:29] <x0563511> then i can just dl the deb file and use dpkg
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gmail: on ftp.kernel.org
[12:29] <Gmail> why hasn't it apeared in hoary yet?
[12:29] <Treenaks> x0563511: yes, but dpkg looks at dependancies as well
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gmail: why should it
[12:30] <Gmail> Treenaks: why shouldn't it?
[12:30] <Treenaks> Gmail: bugs..
[12:30] <x0563511> Treenaks, dpkg --force-help
[12:32] <Gmail> Treenaks: not all of us have a nvidia gfx card
[12:33] <Gmail> is kernel.org down??
[12:34] <StarScream> how can i fix broken pacakges from the command line?
[12:34] <Elwood> Gmail, it seems
 Gmail: on ftp.kernel.org <<< that much for this idea
[12:35] <StarScream> i tried apt-get kde and it depends on quanta et al, if i do apt-get quanta it says to use quanta-data becuase quanta has no installation candidate
[12:35] <StarScream> so i installed quanta-data
[12:36] <StarScream> but kde still list quanta as a dep
[12:36] <Gmail> StarScream: its apt-get INSTALL <package>
[12:36] <Gmail> StarScream: warty or hoary?
[12:36] <StarScream> Gmail: sorry it was a typo..i forgot the install... warty
[12:37] <Gmail> and kde is part of universe its not supported
[12:37] <StarScream> i have universe available
[12:37] <StarScream> in my apt sources
[12:38] <Gmail> StarScream: it was merged from debian sid and then frozen this type of stuff is common to happen in sid
[12:38] <StarScream> Gmail: k, but i was speaking to bob2 last night who said he was running it on PPC and that it worked fine
[12:38] <Gmail> StarScream: can't you use the better screem?
[12:39] <StarScream> i will for you
[12:39] <Gmail> StarScream: yes but in sid and ppc version of a package is normally behide a i386 version and in rear times ahead
[12:40] <StarScreem> sorry, too am using ppc
[12:40] <Gmail> StarScreem: or you can use hoary but we will not support you
[12:40] <StarScreem> i too rather
[12:40] <Gmail> StarScreem: hmmm
[12:41] <Gmail> StarScreem: well screem is better imho
[12:41] <StarScreem> k
[12:42] <StarScreem> should i do a re-install of the OS, or is there a way i can fix my machine
[12:42] <Gmail> StarScreem: did you install from a curruted cd?
[12:43] <Gmail> did you install from an early weekly image that had a marge bug??
[12:43] <StarScreem> Gmail: nah, dont think so, everything else works perfectly...i used the release cd
[12:43] <StarScreem> i can apt-get anything gnome related...xfce works find
[12:43] <StarScreem> fine
[12:44] <StarScreem> erm...i can't fault it in any way
[12:44] <StarScreem> aside from the kde thing
[12:45] <Gmail> hmmm even a curruted package list wound have such a probblem it woundn't work and anyway apt does a md5sum check
[12:48] <StarScreem> Gmail: i mean once i did apt-get install quanta-data it worked fine.....but then apt doesn't recognize that quanta is installed when i do apt-get install kde
[12:48] <StarScreem> it still lists it as a dep
[12:48] <Gmail> do apt-get install quanta
[12:50] <StarScreem> Package quanta has no installation candidate
[12:50] <StarScreem> However the following package replace it
[12:50] <StarScreem> quanta-data
[12:50] <StarScreem> so i apt-get install quanta-data and its already installed
[12:56] <Tiboz> hey all
[12:56] <Gmail> hey
[12:56] <Tiboz> is it easy and safe to switch to xorg ?
[12:56] <Tiboz> i am in hoary
[12:57] <Despair> safe? xorg is just a brunch now, there's nothing "safe"
[12:57] <Tiboz> if i only do apt-get install xserver-xorg it will work ?
[12:57] <sanitario> yes
[12:57] <Despair> ahh, men hoary
[12:57] <Despair> *meant
[12:58] <Tiboz> oki great
[12:58] <Tiboz> i'll try this then
[12:58] <sanitario> it will probably complain if you use UTF-8 though
[12:58] <Tiboz> i don't use it
[12:58] <Echylo> somebody knows a xmms script/xchat
[12:58] <Echylo> that displays the current song in a channel
[12:59] <Tiboz> Echylo:  http://abednarz.net/xmms-tool.html
[12:59] <Treenaks> sanitario: yeah, why's that..
[12:59] <Echylo> k I'll check it
[01:00] <Echylo> Tiboz, those links for downloading don't work
[01:01] <Gmail> Tiboz: i am using x.org right now
[01:01] <Gmail> i was since it came into the responsory there is already been 2 updates to it since then
[01:01] <Tiboz> Echylo: strange
[01:01] <Tiboz> Gmail: oki
[01:02] <Tiboz> Gmail: works fine ?
[01:02] <Tiboz> Echylo: http://rousse.pm.org/~georgi/xmms/xmms-tool.tar.gz
[01:02] <Echylo> tiboz you have that file?
[01:02] <Tiboz> this one work
[01:02] <Echylo> ok
[01:02] <Echylo> lemme see
[01:02] <Echylo> ok
[01:04] <Echylo> error compiling script
[01:04] <Echylo> :|
[01:04] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/118878
[01:05] <Gmail> tim: works better than xfree86
[01:06] <huttan> Gmail, what does?
[01:08] <vincent_> Hi all! Is there a CD burner tool in ubuntu?
[01:09] <Gmail> huttan: what?
[01:10] <Gmail> sorry the message i said to tim was for tiboz
[01:10] <vincent> vincent_:  nautilus-cd-burner for files/iso and k3b or the command line for audio
[01:10] <StarScreem> anyone here managed to get kde working in warty for PPC?
[01:10] <Gmail> StarScreem: gnome is better than kde
[01:10] <huttan> kk
[01:10] <StarScreem> Gmail: each to their own
[01:10] <Gmail> with gnome they never want you to see a terminal
[01:11] <Gmail> with kde they do
[01:11] <Gmail> that makes gnome more user friendly
[01:11] <mjr> this is indeed good, but I'd feel better if they fixed the more annoying bugs in the terminal nevertheless
[01:12] <vincent> Gmail: how do you burn audio cd with gnome ?
[01:12] <StarScreem> Gmail: i dont really mind that much about user friendlyness , i'd just like my kde desktop if its possible
[01:12] <vincent_> K3B isnt coming wit ubuntu? is it?
[01:12] <vincent> vincent_ : in the universe source
[01:13] <Gmail> vincent: gnome-baker
[01:13] <Gmail> look on gnome-files.org
[01:13] <vincent> Gmail: yep but it's not a gnome app
[01:14] <Gmail> vincent: yes it is
[01:14] <vincent> Gmail: non it's a gtk app
[01:14] <Gmail> it will make it in gnome 2.10
[01:14] <mjr> " GnomeBaker requires a recent version of cdtools (cdrecord, readcd, cdda2wav and mkisofs), version 2 or greater should be okay. It also requires the libs libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0."
[01:14] <Echylo> how to install perl-xmms in ubuntu?
[01:15] <mjr> apparently it requires gnome libs at least
[01:15] <Gmail> vincent: is going to be in gnome 2.9 it you use the unstable branch too
[01:15] <vincent_> ohh ok
[01:15] <vincent> Gmail: there is discussion for inclusion of this app in gnome 2.10 ?
[01:16] <Gmail> vinceeeeeent
[01:16] <Gmail> its alpha right now
[01:17] <mjr> hmpf, apparently no dvd support
[01:17] <mjr> ah well, there's nautilus
[01:18] <Tiboz> x.org apparently works fine
[01:18] <Gmail> Tiboz: i said so
[01:18] <vincent_> what's the command line instruction for burning?
[01:18] <seek187> yup it does :)
[01:18] <Tiboz> yeah
[01:19] <Gmail> Tiboz: wy shound there be any problems?
[01:19] <Tiboz> but why is fglrx-driver conflicting with xorg packets ?
[01:19] <Gmail> vincent_: can you stick to one nick
[01:19] <Treenaks> Tiboz: because they don't work together
[01:19] <Gmail> vincent_: what do you want to burn?
[01:19] <Tiboz> oki so there's no way using fglrx with xorg
[01:20] <vincent_> my house!
[01:20] <vincent_> ;o)
[01:20] <vincent_> audio
[01:20] <vincent_> datas
[01:20] <vincent_> all things tou burn
[01:20] <vincent_> you*
[01:20] <vinic> vincent_ > vinic
[01:23] <Gmail> ROOT HAS LANDED
[01:23] <Tiboz> tssss
[01:23] <Tiboz> never do irc in root
[01:23] <Gmail> vinic: data you can already do
[01:24] <mirak> __root___: lol
[01:24] <mirak> you know what
[01:24] <mirak> in my university there is a linux administrator
[01:24] <Treenaks> __root___: do you auto-accept DDCs as well?
[01:24] <mirak> that handle the 100 computers parc
[01:24] <seek187> LoL
[01:24] <Gmail> vinic: in the next version of rhythmbox you can burn audio from it
[01:24] <Treenaks> Gmail: w00t!
[01:25] <mirak> the other day, I was in computer room, and I realised that the back ground of the admin was red
[01:25] <mirak> the admin log in kde as root
[01:25] <Gmail> Treenaks: well thats acording to footnotes
[01:25] <Treenaks> Gmail: *dance*
[01:25] <mirak> I though maybe it was exeptionnal but no
[01:25] <Gmail> mirak: its like that in gnome too
[01:25] <mirak> this moron and incompetent loser always log as root
[01:25] <dany> nickserv
[01:25] <nevyn> sigh.
[01:25] <vinic> yep, data is ok...
[01:26] <hectorlinux> hola
[01:26] <hectorlinux> hay alguien ahi???
[01:27] <Gmail> can someone answer this stupid n00bs question http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=14762&posted=1#post14762 it the one above mine
[01:27] <Treenaks> hectorlinux: you might want to go to a language-specific channel
[01:28] <Gmail> i am going crazy ubuntu atracked so many n00bs that don't know a thing and the act like they know everything in the world
[01:28] <Despair> *whine* i want a firefox 1.0 final deb :/
[01:28] <Gmail> Despair: heh rc1-4 is as good as the final
[01:29] <Despair> yeah, sure, but i want it....;) *like a child* :S
[01:29] <Gmail> Despair: mozilla.org
[01:32] <Despair> final or rc1 from hoary?
[01:33] <Gmail> its not in hoary
[01:33] <seek187> final
[01:33] <mirak> when I run the mixer in the multimedia panel I get this error : No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[01:33] <Gmail> but i only did a apt-get update an 1hr ago
[01:33] <mirak> what's the problem ?
[01:34] <Treenaks> mirak: what kind of sound card do you have
[01:36] <mirak> Treenaks: sblive 5.1
[01:37] <mirak> Treenaks: I use alsa
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: no TV cards ,etc. ?
[01:37] <mirak> Treenaks: yes bt878
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: USB audio device?
[01:37] <mirak> nope
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: ah, then you should probably change the order in which they're loaded
[01:37] <mirak> ok
[01:38] <mirak> in /etc/modules ?
[01:38] <Treenaks> mirak: uh, yes.. put the snd- module first, then the bt module
[01:38] <mirak> or in hotplug ?
[01:38] <mirak> Treenaks: is that normal ?
[01:38] <Treenaks> mirak: in /etc/modules
[01:38] <mirak> I mean is that a ubuntu issue or a linux issue ?
[01:39] <Treenaks> mirak: it happens...
[01:39] <Treenaks> mirak: it's just the order in which the drivers are loaded, nothing serious.. people are trying to fix the problem
[01:39] <mirak> ok
[01:39] <mirak> I also have a problem with my scanner
[01:40] <mirak> bt878 is detected as my capture device
[01:40] <mirak> it's a scsi scanner
[01:41] <mirak> Treenaks: the problem is that my sound card driver is already in /etc/modules, so I exept it to be loaded first already isn't it ?
[01:41] <ddaa> What is the recommended Python IDE on Warty?
[01:42] <Treenaks> mirak: it should be, yes
[01:42] <nevyn> vim ;)
[01:42] <johnnybezak> hey guys, im looking to install fluxbox, am i safe to use the debian package on the flux site, and how do i use it (ie install it?)
[01:42] <nevyn> johnnybezak: that'd be a bad idea.
[01:42] <nevyn> unless they're built for ubuntu.
[01:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: use the universe repository, and just apt-get install it
[01:42] <johnnybezak> nevyn: so i should build it from source
[01:42] <nevyn> fluxbox is almost certainly in universe install it from there
[01:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: no, you should use the version in universe
[01:42] <nevyn> DO NOT COMPILE STUFF that's in universe..
[01:43] <Treenaks> nevyn: "this is not gentoo" :P
[01:43] <mirak> Treenaks: is the module you are talking about  snd_bt87x ?
[01:43] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: hmm i thought i had universe in my sources, but i'll look
[01:43] <mirak> or bttv ?
[01:43] <johnnybezak> ok how come installing from source is a bad idea?
[01:43] <nevyn> johnnybezak: cause most people f!@# it up?
[01:44] <Treenaks> mirak: snd_bt87x = the tv card driver.. put that one last in /etc/modules, and put the snd_ driver for your sblive (don't know which one..) above that
[01:44] <johnnybezak> nevyn: haha
[01:44] <nevyn> cause it's impossible to support?
[01:44] <mirak> ok
[01:44] <johnnybezak> nevyn: i'd prolly fuck it up too but I want flux!
[01:44] <nevyn> johnnybezak: cause you always to do --enable-option I uses
[01:44] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: it's in universe.
[01:44] <nevyn> johnnybezak: I'm sure it's in universe it's in debain.
[01:44] <johnnybezak> what version
[01:44] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: apt-cache show!
[01:45] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: do we have to do everything for you?
[01:45] <johnnybezak> haha sorry guys im not an experienced debianer
[01:45] <johnnybezak> (and im half pissed)
[01:45] <johnnybezak> i've just used the synaptic tool
[01:45] <johnnybezak> and it hasn't given me any flux love
[01:45] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: (pissed as in alcohol or pissed as in angry)
[01:46] <nevyn> alcohol if he's only half pissed.
[01:46] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: the former
[01:46] <nevyn> see us australians know about being drunk ;)
[01:46] <johnnybezak> am i alright to post my etc/apt/sources list here?
[01:47] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: use www.pastebin.com
[01:47] <johnnybezak> can i just paste to #flood?
[01:47] <Treenaks> I'm not on #flood
[01:47] <johnnybezak> ok
[01:48] <johnnybezak> http://pastebin.com/118885
[01:49] <Treenaks> you only have the sources for universe in it..
[01:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: we need a paste bin bot
[01:49] <mirak> Treenaks: how can I force unload of modules ?
[01:49] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: hey, you don't even have anything but security!
[01:49] <johnnybezak> hold on i think i missed stuff (sorry to be a pain guys)
[01:49] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: duplicate the first line, and change "deb-src" to "deb", then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:50] <Jimbo> hi, I have a problem while installing my ubuntu on a laptop
[01:50] <Jimbo> is it here i can ask for help?
[01:50] <johnnybezak> http://pastebin.com/118886 try that
[01:50] <Treenaks> Jimbo: if you want help in English stay here, if you want help in Dutch, try #ubuntu-nl
[01:51] <Treenaks> Jimbo: yes, then run apt-get update; apt-cache show fluxbox
[01:51] <Treenaks> +sudo
[01:51] <Treenaks> (only for apt-get not for apt-show)
[01:51] <johnnybezak> me or jimbo?
[01:51] <mirak> is there a way to force unloading of modules supposed to be in use ?
[01:51] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: uh you
[01:51] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: so those lines are right
[01:51] <Treenaks> mirak: rebooting.. or making sure they're not in use
[01:51] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: basically
[01:51] <Jimbo> ok thanks, the problem come from hardware detection
[01:52] <mirak> Treenaks: how can I know they are in use ?
[01:52] <Treenaks> Jimbo: what was the problem?
[01:52] <Jimbo> the keyboard et the mouse aren't recognize
[01:52] <Treenaks> mirak: try to unload them..
[01:52] <Treenaks> Jimbo: what kind of laptop?
[01:52] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: I get nothing it just goes to next prompt
[01:52] <Jimbo> a toshiba A30-901
[01:52] <fsmw> hi all, i'm running xorg on ubuntu and xcompmgr with composite enable, but i can't get shadows any idea?
[01:52] <mirak> Treenaks: that's crap :))
[01:52] <Treenaks> Toshibas have lots of problems.. have you looked on the web page?
[01:53] <Treenaks> mirak: or lsmod, there's a number there, if it's not 0 it's in use
[01:53] <Jimbo> yes but i haven't found anything on it
[01:53] <mirak> Treenaks: ah ok
[01:53] <Treenaks> Jimbo: have you tried booting without ACPI?
[01:53] <daniels> fsmw: run xcompmgr --help
[01:54] <Treenaks> Jimbo: (I think there's a howto for that on the wiki)
[01:54] <fsmw> thanks daniels -c was the answer
[01:54] <Jimbo> no i haven't try without ACPI and i'll check the wiki then i'll comme back to say my result, thanks
[01:54] <johnnybezak> would someone be able to give me there sources list so i can copy paste it
[01:55] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: I would, but I kind of broke my wireless connection remotely this morning :(
[01:55] <johnnybezak> :)
[01:55] <johnnybezak> ah well
[01:56] <mirak> No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[01:57] <jeffreyb> Need help.. I did fresh install of Ubuntu... Uncommented the ubuntu and univers repos in sources.list and did update upgrade. Now I don't have my gnome toolbars (top or bottom). Any ideas?
[01:58] <mirak> jeffreyb: rm your .gnome directories
[01:58] <jeffreyb> ok - will try that
[01:58] <mirak> jeffreyb: or create new ones if you can
[01:58] <jeffreyb> ok -thanks man :)
[01:59] <johnnybezak> hmm still no flux i got an apt.sources off the net could someone please check that flux is in there just in case im bashing my haid against a brick wall?
[02:02] <ddaa> johnnybezak: apt-file and apt-get.org are your friends
[02:02] <ddaa> note that apt-file uses a different database than apt-get, so you have to run "apt-file update" separatedly.
[02:03] <ddaa> * separately
[02:04] <fsmw> i don't have gnome-screenshot on my hoary?
[02:04] <sid77> I'm going to switch to hoary, what should I read?
[02:05] <sid77> (or: what should I do?)
[02:08] <marcdm> Treenaks: Hail. Just verified... CD = ISO = md5sum from ubuntu site... still getting install errors
[02:08] <Treenaks> marcdm: strange.. that shouldn't be happening, is your partition large enough?
[02:08] <Treenaks> marcdm: sure there are no read errors on the CD?
[02:09] <marcdm> I'm still convinced that this error has something to do with Lilo being the MBR
[02:09] <Treenaks> no
[02:09] <seek187> sid77, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list replace the word warty with hoary
[02:10] <johnnybezak> echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <johnnybezak> sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <johnnybezak> lol thought this was terminal sorry guys
[02:10] <marcdm> I went a got a different CD-RW drive and did the md5sum /dev/cdrom, the CD checked out ok
[02:10] <sid77> ahahha
[02:10] <marcdm> it gave me the same sum as the iso did and as the one I got from the site.
[02:11] <sid77> seek187, should fam and portmap be removed? (as noted down in the wiki)
[02:11] <marcdm> however, it still installs and fails when it reaches the point of installing initrd-tools
[02:11] <Treenaks> marcdm: maybe your CD player just can't read this specific disc very well
[02:11] <Treenaks> try using a CD-ROM
[02:11] <Kev-> What's up with the livecd not having any compiler?
[02:11] <marcdm> Treenaks: I'm sure. I'm using a brand new DVD-RW drive. This is the 4th drive I'm trying to use.
[02:12] <Treenaks> marcdm: disc. not drive.
[02:12] <seek187> hmmm I didn't but not sure
[02:12] <marcdm> 2 CD-ROMS, 1 CD-RW and this Pioneer Drive.
[02:12] <sid77> seek187, ok I'll give it a try, thanks!
[02:13] <marcdm> Treenaks: it fails at the same place with 3 different disks burnt on 3 different drives using 3 different machines
[02:13] <johnnybezak> hey guys, seeing as i think ive broken my sources.list, does anyone have a vanilla list here?
[02:13] <Treenaks> marcdm: don't know, sorry.. it always worked fine for me
[02:14] <seek187> but nautilus will probablly break on you when you upgrade..
[02:14] <seek187> I think the file was gamin that you install afterwards that fixes it
[02:14] <marcdm> anyone here ever complete a network install?
[02:15] <logic> Technical q: Is Ubuntu pronounced Ewwbuntu or Yoobuntu?
[02:15] <Treenaks> logic: oo-boon-too
[02:15] <logic> Nice, thanks
[02:16] <Jimbo> linux acpi=off is OK, the keyboard is now recognize (i don't know yet for the mouse)
[02:16] <Jimbo> but is ther a mean to configure acpi after installation?
[02:18] <alakdan> anybody using enlightenment and engage here?
[02:19] <BrianB04> Hey all
[02:19] <seek187> hi
[02:19] <Treenaks> alakdan: wasn't enlightenment abandoned years ago?
[02:20] <alakdan> Treenaks, nope, the window manager is quite coool
[02:20] <nevyn> nah rasterman's been doing e17 and evas stuff.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: hardly. It just is taking forever to get to E17 ;)
[02:20] <Treenaks> thoreauputic: R16 was released in 1999!
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: NEWS FLASH! E17 will be ready before Longhorn... err... well ... it *could* be.. stay tuned *g*
[02:22] <pisuke> www.rasterman.com there are even videos of what will be E17 ;-)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> E17 will be ready when the HURD is stable !
[02:24] <mirak> Treenaks: the bt878 is still loaded first
[02:24] <Treenaks> mirak: strange
[02:26] <mirak> and it take the place of my scanner
[02:26] <mirak> I will block this module I think
[02:33] <AndyFitz> anyone else getting that fam error in warty ?
[02:34] <AndyFitz> eg . when loading up gedit as sudo in gnome-terminal
[02:34] <AndyFitz> failed to find gam_server
[02:34] <AndyFitz> failed to exec (null)
[02:35] <Quazion> seems to wrok fine here
[02:35] <Quazion> ah as sudo
[02:35] <Quazion> let me try again ;-)
[02:36] <Quazion> AndyFitz, seems to work fine with sudo gedit filename
[02:38] <AndyFitz> things like the gtk file dialog and nautilus are taking much longer to load
[02:38] <johnnybezak> well i gave up, i'm compiling flux from source :) heres to breaking things you can't understand
[02:38] <johnnybezak> :)
[02:38] <AndyFitz> failed to find gam server .  this could be my fault
[02:39] <AndyFitz> why has the services editor disappeared ?
[02:39] <nevyn> johnnybezak: umm just run apt-cache search flux in a terminal and check if it comes up.
[02:39] <AndyFitz> it showed up between updates and I had a play with it .  now its not there anymore and I cant remember uninstalling it .. or what package it was in
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: debs for fluxbox: http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: the development versions are much nicer - transparent menus etc
[02:42] <johnnybezak> nevyn: yeah i did and it didnt work, it's ok it compiled no worries
[02:43] <AndyFitz> thanks thoreauputic
[02:43] <AndyFitz> I'll be right back !
[02:43] <easybuddy> Hi
[02:43] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: no worries
[02:43] <easybuddy> um...  hello room
[02:44] <Sepero> Anyone here frequent JL.com?
[02:46] <Sepero> oook....
[02:46] <Sepero> I've never tried Ubuntu, but I'm downloading it now.
[02:46] <nevyn> johnnybezak: how didn't it work?
[02:46] <johnnybezak> nevyn: flux just didnt show up
[02:47] <Sepero> I love Debian, but I hate how unstable has no security updates and there are regular updates everyday.
[02:48] <nevyn> Sepero: unstable can't have security updates pretty much by definition.
[02:48] <bagpuss> Sepero: umm, unstable gets updates every day...they get security updates as soon as they are uploaded
[02:48] <nevyn> johnnybezak: so you didn't get any result?
[02:48] <nevyn> at all?
[02:49] <nevyn> if it's in universe and you can't find it that's bad and should be fixed.
[02:49] <johnnybezak> no it just didnt say anything
[02:49] <Sepero> Everyday updates are unrealistic for me because I'm on dialup. :(
[02:49] <johnnybezak> yeah well i think i had my sources fixed but it just didn't show up
[02:49] <bagpuss> Sepero: ah, that's a different matter then :)
[02:50] <bagpuss> get decent connectivity
[02:50] <johnnybezak> now ive just got to get it to start hehe
[02:50] <Sepero> Not an option in my area, only dialup
[02:50] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: not everyone can afford it anyway
[02:50] <edwood> hi
[02:51] <Sepero> But I read that Ubuntu only releases once every 6 months though. I can definitely handle that kind of upgrade cycle.
[02:52] <bagpuss> thoreauputic: hmm, I guess.  Although or me DSL is cheaper than dialup.  I tend to forget everywhere isn't like that
[02:52] <Sepero> must be nice. ;)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: yeah, in many parts of the world dialup (and sloow dialup at that) is the only option.
[02:53] <Sepero> I'm talking to you guys through gaim. This is the first time I've used it for IRC in a LONG time. I must say that it appears very nice. :)
[02:54] <Sepero> What clients are you guys using?
[02:54] <nevyn> irssi
[02:54] <Treenaks> irssi
[02:54] <daniels> irssi
[02:54] <nevyn> heh
[02:55] <Sepero> A common favorite, apparently  :D
[02:55] <nevyn> irssi + screen is the bomb.
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Sepero: for a GUI, xchat is nice - irssi is good for console
[02:55] <RubenV> thoreauputic: i second that
[02:55] <thoreauputic> some prefer it at all times... :)
[02:55] <Treenaks> nevyn: I've had uptimes of 90 days (and then it went down with the system reboot ;)
[02:56] <nevyn> my freebsdbox is well into 400 days... ;)
[02:56] <edwood> :)
[02:56] <Sepero> I don't think I've ever had a uptime of more than 30 days. Usually because of power failure.  heheheh
[02:56] <Quazion> Sepero, i am using X-Chat since i had no time to install irssi and configure it yet ;-)
[02:56] <Sepero> heh
[02:56] <Quazion> Sepero, where you live then ?
[02:57] <Sepero> I live in Tampa, Florida, usa
[02:57] <Treenaks> they don't have broadband there?
[02:57] <Sepero> Yeah, but not here. I live on the outskirts.
[03:00] <Sepero> How long has everyone in here been using *n*x?
[03:00] <shelldos> What is the difference betweeen warty-release-live and the other one that is lesss than 600mb?
[03:00] <Treenaks> shelldos: one is the Live CD, the other the install CD, I guess
[03:01] <Sepero> I started my adventure about 2000.
[03:01] <shelldos> so Live cd means I can us it without installing to harddrive? and also I can install it to harddrive if I wish so? (from live cd)
[03:01] <Treenaks> shelldos: I don't think you can install from the live CD, but you can use it..
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shelldos: I don't think the live CD has an installer
[03:02] <shelldos> hmm
[03:02] <shelldos> ok, I have a amd k6-2 350mhz with 128mb ram. Which iso file should I get?
[03:02] <shelldos> (want to install ubuntu on the machine)
[03:03] <Sepero> I'm downloading the warty-release over dialup.
[03:03] <Treenaks> shelldos: warty-i386-install.iso (or something like that)
[03:03] <Treenaks> Sepero: 8)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> shelldos: might be a litlle sluggish on that machine
[03:03] <Sepero> Don't give me those eyes. :D
[03:03] <shelldos> hmm
[03:04] <shelldos> thoreauputic: really?
[03:04] <Gmail> Sepero: get it sent to ya
[03:04] <Echylo> what is the default partition prog in ubuntu?
[03:04] <b_e_n_z> Sepero: still living in the 3rd world huh?
[03:04] <Sepero> I would have them send me the CD's, but I've heard that some people have been waiting over a month now for them.
[03:04] <thoreauputic> shelldos: well, it should work Ok
[03:04] <Sepero> lol
[03:04] <Gmail> Sepero: for free from shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[03:05] <shelldos> thoreauputic: doesnt ubuntu have fluxbox or something? or can I install it later on?
[03:05] <bagpuss> Sepero: I believe they will be shipped soon
[03:05] <Gmail> Se7h: they are going to be sent tomz QUICKLY ORDER
[03:05] <Sepero> It'll only take about 50hrs to download over dialup
[03:05] <Echylo> I think cd's are shipped already
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shelldos: you can install it, sure
[03:05] <Sepero> 50hrs = a little over two days
[03:05] <Gmail> Echylo: some of them i hear have been
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shelldos: or any other wm for that matter
[03:05] <Gmail> Sepero: yes non stop
[03:05] <edwood> yes Gmail
[03:05] <Echylo> my status
[03:06] <Gmail> Sepero: where do you live?
[03:06] <Echylo> there are shipped for my on 8th november
[03:06] <Echylo> they*
[03:06] <Echylo> me*
[03:06] <tim1> is there any photo how the cds look like ?
[03:06] <daniels> Gmail: you're too late for the first shipment
[03:06] <daniels> second shipment happens later
[03:06] <Sepero> yeah, we have a dedicated phoneline here for inet
[03:06] <Sepero> tampa, florida, usa
[03:07] <daniels> the first shipment was finalised a long time ago
[03:07] <Gmail> daniels: i order mine there in australia already from some rumer i heard from friends
[03:07] <thoreauputic> tim1: well, they are kind of round, thin and flat :D
[03:07] <daniels> Gmail: depends how early you ordered them
[03:07] <daniels> Gmail: mine have already turned up in Australia, apparently
[03:07] <tim1> round ?
[03:07] <Gmail> daniels: i ordered them from the first day
[03:07] <tim1> mh
[03:07] <tim1> ;)
[03:08] <tim1> no what dows the artwork on it look like ?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> tim1: *grin*
[03:08] <Sepero> I think my CD's are hovering somewhere around the bramuta triangle.
[03:08] <Gmail> Sepero: i am sure you can find someone who order 1 extra which will send it to ya
[03:08] <shelldos> where can I find the complete feature list for ubuntu? (apps etc)
[03:09] <Sepero> I don't go to the local LUGs
[03:09] <Sepero> They are all actually a pretty distant drive for me.
[03:09] <Gmail> Sepero: still quickly order one
[03:09] <Sepero> LOL, NO!  :D
[03:10] <Gmail> Sepero: there free
[03:10] <Gmail> give ma your address and i can do it for ya
[03:11] <Gmail> daniels: i hear there going to be at my door tomz
[03:11] <Sepero> :p
[03:11] <daniels> Gmail: it depends from region to region, order to order
[03:11] <Gmail> Sepero: free beer
[03:11] <Sepero> LOL,  I don't like beer
[03:11] <daniels> Gmail: in some cases they were sent in large groups and exploded per-city, per-state, per-country.  it's highly variable.  if they arrive tomorrow, good.  if not, don't stress.
[03:12] <Sepero> How long have you guys been using Ubuntu?
[03:12] <Gmail> daniels: we order early we both heard the same rumers
[03:12] <daniels> four or five months
[03:12] <Sepero> I first heard about it on the Gnoppix website.
[03:12] <daniels> Gmail: it's highly variable.  really, I'm not lying.
[03:12] <Treenaks> daniels: you'll be in Mataro too, right?
[03:12] <daniels> Gmail: there's no secret list of guaranteed delivery dates with your name on that I'm withholding for fun
[03:12] <daniels> Treenaks: fo'shizzle
[03:13] <Treenaks> daniels: dope!
[03:13] <shelldos> Sepero: have you tried gnoppix? is it good?
[03:13] <daniels> Treenaks: ill
[03:14] <Sepero> No I haven't. It's just that I like Knoppix, but dislike KDE. So I was just checking out the Gnoppix website.
[03:15] <Sepero> I guess Gnoppix is based on Ubuntu.
[03:15] <Echylo> lol
[03:15] <jazzka> hi!
[03:15] <Gmail> daniels: well its probbly going to be hear tomz rather than next week
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Sepero: no, gnoppix has been around for a while :)
[03:15] <daniels> Gmail: that's great
[03:15] <Gmail> Sepero: ROTFL
[03:16] <jazzka> I've got amsn installed by ubuntu's reposotory, but a new version is available from amsn web
[03:16] <jazzka> how can I upload it? correctly I mean
[03:16] <Gmail> jazzka: are you using warty or hoary?
[03:16] <jazzka> Gmail, waty
[03:16] <jazzka> warty
[03:17] <Echylo> what is a partition prog for ubuntu????
[03:17] <Gmail> warty is frozzen there no new updates to it
[03:17] <Echylo> what is the default one?
[03:17] <Sepero> From the gnoppix website: "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux. It can be compared to Knoppix but GNOPPIX uses GNOME as desktop environmen"
[03:17] <Gmail> Echylo: there is one is gnome 2.9 it cool
[03:17] <Echylo> what name?
[03:17] <Gmail> Sepero: LOL
[03:17] <Gmail> Echylo: its part of gnome-system-tools
[03:17] <Echylo> k
[03:17] <Sepero> I'm not joking, see for yourself http://www.gnoppix.org/
[03:18] <jazzka> Gmail, so until hoary is released, no new software for warty?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Sepero: well, Gnoppix may now be so based, but it has existed for some time - probably it has changed
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Sepero: that's interesting
[03:18] <Echylo> can't find it Gmail
[03:19] <daniels> jazzka: no, warty is a release.  that means it only gets security updates.
[03:19] <Sepero> If it wasn't for that, I would have not heard of ubuntu
[03:19] <daniels> jazzka: release means we stop changing stuff
[03:19] <Gmail> Echylo: it in hoary
[03:19] <Echylo> ?
[03:19] <Gmail> jazzka: hoary is open already
[03:20] <Echylo> I can't follow
[03:20] <Echylo> ow
[03:20] <Echylo> you mean
[03:20] <Echylo> there are partition programs in the final one?
[03:20] <Gmail> ooops
[03:21] <Gmail> it in haory and under gnome its called disks-admin
[03:22] <jazzka> ok bye!
[03:23] <Sepero> GNOPPIX Warty  (2004-10-15)                 				There have been some big developments in regards to Gnoppix that I'm excited to report. Recently, I've been contacted by developers working on the new Debian derivative "Ubuntu" about collaboration between Ubuntu and Gnoppix.
[03:24] <Sepero> I guess that was half way through last month.
[03:24] <mirak> how can I install eclipse ?
[03:24] <jono> anyone in here hacked around with localisation in Linux?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Sepero: nice - looks like Ubuntu kind of resurrected the Gnoppix project (it wasn't doing a lot before, I seem to recall)
[03:25] <Sepero> That's good.
[03:25] <Sepero> I like to be able to choose Gnome\
[03:25] <thoreauputic> jono: no more than ` dpkg-reconfigure locales` *g*
[03:26] <jono> hehe
[03:26] <jono> ok, anyone written an FDI file?
[03:26] <Gmail> maybe ubuntu-live should be a merge of gnoopix and ubuntu-live
[03:27] <Gmail> btw why can't ubuntu use gnoppix's installer it looks quite nice
[03:28] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there anyway i can find out where on the filesystem all these handy shortcuts that are in the computer menu are (like the network or disks one for example)?
[03:28] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: home is always ~, computer has no equivalent in the filesystem.. network doesn't either
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Gmail: the ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer, I believe ( the sarge installer)
[03:28] <mirak> why is there eclipse sources , but not the binary package ?
[03:29] <shelldos> hmm
[03:29] <shelldos> so gnoppix is ubuntu
[03:29] <mirak> in hoary
[03:29] <shelldos> basically
[03:29] <Echylo> what is hoary?
[03:29] <Sepero> Interesting anout the installer
[03:29] <thoreauputic> mirak: java license issues?
[03:29] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: I want to use flux instead of gnome, is there anyway i can use these shortcuts do you think?
[03:29] <Sepero> The girl next door
[03:29] <Sepero> heheheh
[03:29] <tidalwav> okay, I have a question...how can I compile linux-wlan-ng on Ubuntu without kernel sources?
[03:29] <mirak> thoreauputic: there wouldn't be the sources either
[03:29] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: uh, I don't think so
[03:30] <mirak> eclipse is open sourc
[03:30] <mirak> e
[03:30] <marcdm> Echylo: Hoary Hedgehog = next Ubuntu release
[03:30] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: ok thanks
[03:30] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: it's a pity there not somewhere on the filesystem
[03:30] <mirak> thoreauputic: maybe the package need java to be build
[03:30] <jono> anyone know how to upgrade from ext2 to a journalled filesystem?
[03:30] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i was talking about for hoary the wiki says not to promiss a gfx installer
[03:31] <khwarizmi> johnnybezak: I believe these shortcuts are oart of Nautilus, the GNOME file manager.
[03:31] <Gmail> well you can if there is already one you can use
[03:31] <khwarizmi> s/oart/part
[03:31] <mirak> jono you can upgrade to ext3 without repartitioning
[03:31] <shelldos> nice theme gnoppix uses --> http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/screenshots/gnoppix07beta/gnoppix_installer.png
[03:31] <johnnybezak> khwarizmi: how can i access them through nautilus, not through the menu do you know?
[03:31] <johnnybezak> khwarizmi: because i like nautilus, i just prefer flux for a WM
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jono mke2fs -j  (for journal) from memory
[03:33] <mjr> thoreauputic, well, no.
[03:33] <mirak> are the packagers of ubuntu available on this channel or is it only users ?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> jono: you don't even have to unmount
[03:33] <mjr> tune2fs -j adds a journal to an existing ext2
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mjr: no?
[03:33] <martink> johnnybezak: nautilus computer: and nautilus network:
[03:33] <johnnybezak> i tell you what though ubuntu is impressive, for such a young distro
[03:33] <vincent> where can I found my usb HDD order to mount it? I can't find /dev/sda_
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mjr: ah - sorry - quite right
[03:33] <johnnybezak> martink: ok thanks, i suppose i can find the rest in man nautilus?
[03:34] <johnnybezak> cos were all too dumb
[03:34] <jono> I need someone to write about it for a book
[03:34] <jono> anyone interested?
[03:34] <johnnybezak> :_
[03:34] <johnnybezak> )
[03:35] <johnnybezak> whats the run application program called, how can i find out program names when they just have their user friendly name?
[03:35] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: just press <tab> in a terminal :)
[03:36] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: hehe
[03:36] <tidalwav> well does anyone know if there are debian packages for linux-wlan-ng? I can't download the packages on that box because there is no internet connection (yet).
[03:36] <Treenaks> linux-wlan-ng? what's that?
[03:36] <gwildor_> canonical employees, or anyone, what is bazaar?
[03:36] <johnnybezak> martink: that doesnt work unfortunately man
[03:36] <daniels> gwildor_: http://bazaar.canonical.com
[03:37] <gwildor_> daniels, been there done that, it doesn't tell me what it does/is
[03:37] <IRCMonkey> Could someone tell me a good audio cd copying program for gnome ?
[03:37] <martink> johnnybezak: hmm, works here. Maybe run nautilus computer://
[03:37] <johnnybezak> k3b
[03:37] <LinuxJones> jono, tune2fs -j /dev/xxx but umount the directory 1st or boot to mainienance mode
[03:37] <tidalwav> linux-wlan-ng is drivers for prism2 based USB wireless lan adapters, I think
[03:37] <daniels> gwildor_: a friendly fork of tla to improve its ui
[03:37] <Treenaks> tidalwav: prism2 is supported by the installer... afaik
[03:37] <tidalwav> I need it to make my d-link DWL-122 802.11b adapter work
[03:38] <johnnybezak> *ducks*
[03:38] <tidalwav> teenacks:it's not working :)
[03:38] <gwildor_> daniels, tla?
[03:38] <Treenaks> tim1: USB?
[03:38] <johnnybezak> martink: thats it man thanks
[03:38] <Treenaks> tidalwav: USB ?
[03:38] <daniels> gwildor_: the most popular implementation of arch
[03:38] <tidalwav> when I plug the thing in I do lsmod | grep prism
[03:38] <Echylo> can somebody help me with 3ddesk
[03:38] <tidalwav> and it automatically loads prism2_usb and p80211
[03:38] <Echylo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto
[03:39] <Echylo> it gives me an error , hardware related
[03:39] <tidalwav> but it won't recognize the thing as a device
[03:39] <tidalwav> like eth0 or wlan0 or something
[03:40] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/118905
[03:40] <Echylo> can somebody heeelp meee :p
[03:40] <tidalwav> and I think you need to use linux-wlan-ng to configure it but it won't compile
[03:40] <tidalwav> hence my problem
[03:41] <Echylo> do I need drivers or?
[03:41] <Sepero> Does irssi come preloaded with ubuntu?
[03:42] <johnnybezak> where is the config for the applications and computer menu?
[03:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: it's all gnome-specific
[03:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: but the menu is just a directory full of .desktop files in /usr/share somewhere I think
[03:42] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: is there a tool to configure it? i just need to find out actual program names
[03:42] <IRCMonkey> how much does it take to the CDs to deliver?
[03:43] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: thnx ill have a look
[03:43] <gwildor_> IRCMonkey, incomplete sentence
[03:43] <tidalwav> monkey: dunno, I ordered some too and they haven't come yet :p
[03:43] <Treenaks> IRCMonkey: several days to weeks
[03:43] <IRCMonkey> thanks
[03:43] <Treenaks> IRCMonkey: (i.e. "unknown"()
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Sepero: re irssi:  sudo apt-get inastall irssi-text
[03:44] <thoreauputic> 8install
[03:44] <thoreauputic> aargh
[03:44] <mjr> ls
[03:44] <mjr> or not
[03:44] <vincent> help! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega)
[03:45] <vincent> how can I reach it?
[03:46] <gwildor_> I wonder how many cd's they had to press
[03:46] <Sepero> Is there anywhere I can go to see screenshots of ubuntu?
[03:46] <Treenaks> vincent: is it partitioneD?
[03:46] <vincent> yes
[03:46] <vincent> fat
[03:46] <gwildor_> sepero, maybe the ubuntu website
[03:46] <Treenaks> vincent: partitioned != formatted, but it's  formatted as well .. hmm
[03:47] <vincent> I used to see it under Mandrake 9.1
[03:47] <vincent> /dev/sda
[03:47] <vincent> but nothing with ubuntu
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Sepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[03:47] <vincent> :/
[03:47] <Sepero> thnx
[03:48] <tidalwav> vincent: you may need to add it to /etc/fstab
[03:48] <tidalwav> manuall
[03:48] <tidalwav> *manually
[03:49] <vincent> yeh I know but no device appears!
[03:49] <tidalwav> well did you add it?
[03:50] <Sepero> Is Ubuntu made to be a single user system? I keep hearing people talk about sudo this and that.
[03:50] <Treenaks> Sepero: no, you can make multiple users, and give those sudo rights (or not)
[03:50] <Treenaks> Sepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:51] <jono> anyone know how to control the mouse with the cursor keys?
[03:51] <Sepero> You're quick :)
[03:51] <Rotund> you have to turn it on in mouse settings I believe
[03:51] <Treenaks> Sepero: I have a huge memory ;)
[03:51] <vincent> If I had the /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ...... in fstab, will it force ubuntu ti detect sdc?
[03:51] <Treenaks> vincent: no
[03:51] <vincent> ok
[03:52] <vincent> so how can I detect this HDD
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: type 'dmesg', see if it's detected at all
[03:52] <vincent> it is detected in /proc/usb0
[03:52] <zenwhen> whoa
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: no, it's not.
[03:52] <vincent> I'll try
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: /proc/usb0 is not a place for that
[03:52] <zenwhen> it doesnt automatically mount?
[03:53] <shelldos> when installing ubuntu  in the partition step.. how do I exit it ??
[03:53] <zenwhen> My mp3 player just mounts up and even pops up in a window
[03:53] <shelldos> it keeps getting back to the partiitioning menu
[03:53] <shelldos> I already know where I want to install the system
[03:54] <vincent> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[03:54] <vincent>   Vendor: HDS72258  Model: 0VLAT20           Rev: V32O
[03:54] <vincent>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[03:54] <vincent> SCSI device sda: 160836481 512-byte hdwr sectors (82348 MB)
[03:54] <vincent> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[03:54] <vincent>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4
[03:54] <vincent> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[03:54] <vincent> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
[03:54] <vincent> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[03:54] <vincent> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> vincent: /topic  re pasting in channel
[03:55] <vincent> ????
[03:55] <thoreauputic> vincent: read the channel topic :)
[03:56] <vincent> ooops
[03:56] <vincent> sorry! ;o)
[03:56] <jono> what do I use to book from the network?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> vincent: :)
[03:56] <shelldos> thoreauputic: I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready
[03:56] <shelldos> ??
[03:56] <mirak> is there a ubuntu developpement channel ?
[03:57] <tim1> mirak: ubuntu-devel
[04:00] <vincent> /dev/scsi doesnt exist... :/
[04:00] <SurveR> hi
[04:00] <vincent> hi
[04:01] <SurveR> i want enable root user
[04:01] <SurveR> i speak very little english :(
[04:01] <shelldos> SurveR: sudo su
[04:01] <vincent> french?
[04:01] <SurveR> vincent: spanish
[04:01] <vincent> ok
[04:02] <vincent> SurveR: or do: $ sudo passwd root
[04:03] <SurveR> but sudo passwd root as user or root?
[04:03] <Treenaks> SurveR: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:03] <vincent> as user
[04:03] <vincent> then you'll be able to enter root password
[04:03] <shelldos> Treenaks : I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready
[04:03] <Treenaks> SurveR: you most likely do not want a root account enabled
[04:04] <Treenaks> shelldos: eh? what are you doing?
[04:04] <shelldos> Treenaks: installing ubuntu
[04:04] <Treenaks> shelldos: well.. just choose which partition you want to use for what.. then save it to disk and go
[04:04] <khwarizmi> vincent: There is also considerable material available in Spanish. Look here for example: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SpanishDocumentation. Read the section "Personalizacin del sistema".
[04:05] <vincent> me french... SurveR spanish ;o)
[04:05] <SurveR> :D
[04:05] <shelldos> Treenaks: why should I write partition table to disk? When I already have all the partitions set ready to go.. But when I got to menu "installing the base system" it keeps getting back to the partitioning window
[04:05] <SurveR> but don't speak english
[04:05] <SurveR> ehehehe
[04:06] <vincent> no esta importante
[04:06] <Treenaks> SurveR: you should select which partitions you want to use for what, then save to disk, and then go on
[04:06] <shelldos> Treenaks: ok
[04:06] <Treenaks> shelldos: don't forget to mark partitions you don't want to format as "do not format" :)
[04:07] <SurveR> one question more
[04:07] <vincent> ok
[04:08] <SurveR> ubuntu have some problem with mp3?
[04:08] <gwildor_> till you enable them
[04:08] <vincent> I didnt try mp3 yet
[04:08] <SurveR> what?
[04:09] <vincent> I could if i could mount that f*!/$+@ sda
[04:09] <SurveR> i try to install xmms but i can't starting
[04:09] <SurveR> start*
[04:10] <SurveR> or is: i try to install xmms but i can't start it
[04:10] <SurveR> ?
[04:10] <SurveR> hehehehe
[04:10] <vincent> try Rythmbox
[04:10] <SurveR> have problem with mp3
[04:10] <SurveR> wait
[04:10] <eazel7> where are the apt repositories?
[04:11] <vincent> Applications>Multimedia
[04:11] <vincent> ...for Rythmbox!
[04:11] <SurveR> eazel7: i think /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <eazel7> SuperL4g: I'm doing a debootstrapped install
[04:11] <shelldos> surver: doesnt ubuntu come with xmms?
[04:11] <eazel7> I need to know the URLs to add them to sources.list
[04:12] <kent> SurveR, you have problems with mp3?
[04:12] <SurveR> shelldos: i dont understand u
[04:12] <SurveR> sorry
[04:12] <shelldos> ok
[04:12] <SurveR> kent: yes
[04:12] <|trey|> eazel7: deb archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse .. install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <kent> SurveR, you need gstreamer-mad or something. Ubuntu has no support for mp3 in the default install.
[04:13] <SurveR> shelldos: no, ubuntu doesnt come with xmms
[04:13] <eazel7> |trey|: thanks!
[04:13] <kent> SurveR, read the FAQ and other places on the ubuntu homepage. It tells you what to do.
[04:13] <Treenaks> SurveR: yes it does come with xmms, in universal
[04:13] <SurveR> kent thx
[04:13] <Treenaks> uh
[04:13] <Treenaks> universe
[04:13] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse even
[04:13] <|trey|> I'm drunk  :(
[04:13] <SurveR> but not in warty
[04:13] <vincent> Surver: sudo synaptic
[04:13] <Treenaks> |trey|: don't drink and irc 8)
[04:13] <|trey|> warty*
[04:13] <Treenaks> vincent: gksudo, or use the menu
[04:13] <|trey|> Treenaks: good advice  ;)
[04:13] <vincent> then valid xmms
[04:13] <SurveR> look
[04:13] <SurveR> wait
[04:14] <|trey|> eazel7: but yeah, that is a copy and paste job... yup... if you are comfortable with sid, hoary has xorg + newer packages such as gnome 2.9  :)
[04:15] <Gmail> hmmm
[04:15] <gwildor_> imma try and go hoary tonite, good idea or bad idea??
[04:15] <Treenaks> gwildor_: only if you know what you're doing
[04:16] <|trey|> gwildor_: good idea... if you install apt-listbugs...
[04:16] <sid77> gwildor_, I'm doing it atm
[04:16] <gwildor_> well, I know how to upgrade to it
[04:16] <Treenaks> |trey|: apt-listchanges too
[04:16] <BrianB04> Is it a good idea to dist-upgrade with Debian testing into the apt sources?:)
[04:16] <|trey|> Treenaks: eh... that isn't really helpful...
[04:17] <Treenaks> |trey|: well, it lists the changelogs..
[04:17] <theine> I saw that linux-image-2.6 is obselete now. what is the official ubuntu kernel-image package called now?
[04:18] <Treenaks> theine: obsolete? where did you see that?
[04:18] <theine> in synaptic
[04:18] <eazel7> thanks
[04:18] <eazel7> bbl
[04:18] <theine> Treenaks: I'm using Hoary by the way
[04:18] <|trey|> Treenaks: so does /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz etc...
[04:18] <Treenaks> |trey|: basically (changelog.Debian.gz then..)
[04:19] <|trey|> Treenaks: apt-listchanges is only useful if you have cron handle upgrades imo
[04:19] <SurveR> re
[04:19] <SurveR> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: no, I've aborted upgrades because I read it :)
[04:19] <daniels> SurveR: nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:19] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[04:20] <SurveR> ?
[04:20] <SurveR> nvidia proprietary?
[04:20] <daniels> SurveR: have you installed the nvidia-glx package or whatever?
[04:20] <daniels> the nvidia drivers
[04:20] <SurveR> yes
[04:21] <daniels> that's their problem, we don't know to fix it because we don't have the source code
[04:21] <SurveR> aham
[04:21] <SurveR> some app equals xmms?
[04:21] <Treenaks> daniels: yay for legal issues :|
[04:21] <kent> totem.
[04:21] <vincent> Rythmbox
[04:21] <vincent> iTunes like
[04:22] <mirak> SurveR: amarok
[04:23] <mirak> if you install it you need to run amarokapp first
[04:23] <thoreauputic> also beep-media-player  :)
[04:23] <SurveR> but really... i want xmms
[04:23] <SurveR> hehehehehe
[04:23] <vincent> lol
[04:25] <thoreauputic> apt-cache show beep-media-player
[04:25] <thoreauputic>  A player that supports Winamp skins, with a customizable interface based on
[04:25] <thoreauputic>  GTK2. It has various output plugins and can read various audio formats.
[04:26] <Gmail|SLEEP> lol wimamp is dead and clones are just appearing
[04:26] <Gmail|SLEEP> night
[04:27] <SurveR> mmm
[04:27] <SurveR> how update menus when i install some program?
[04:27] <Diavolo> hello people, im trying to mount a fat32 partition, so i add "
[04:28] <SurveR> lol
[04:28] <netmonk> is there someone from Bulgaria aroun here?!
[04:28] <Kal_Zakath> SurveR : well, if it isn't updated, maybe you have to add it manually, or try a killall gnome-panel in a term
[04:28] <SurveR> lol, it's a radical solution
[04:29] <Kal_Zakath> it's what I always did
[04:29] <vincent> help! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega) in /dev/sda whereas it is detected in /proc/scsi/usb-storege
[04:29] <SurveR> hehehe ;)
[04:29] <Kal_Zakath> gnoma-panel will reload by it self
[04:30] <mxpxpod> is anyone here using hoary on ppc?
[04:30] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[04:31] <vincent> Is your CD ok?
[04:31] <SurveR> thoreauputic: i'm using beep-media-player
[04:32] <SurveR> i see well
[04:32] <SurveR> some people caa say my nick?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> SurveR: any good? I haven't tried it
[04:32] <SurveR> thx
[04:32] <SurveR> yes
[04:32] <SurveR> its good
[04:33] <SurveR> it's equals winamp or xmms
[04:33] <thoreauputic> SurveR: ah - good to know
[04:33] <mxpxpod> SurveR: the only thing that's bad is that it can't read flacs
[04:33] <SurveR> flacs?
[04:33] <crimsun> I'll ask Scott to touch up his flac plugin for bmp
[04:34] <mxpxpod> crimsun: awesome
[04:34] <mxpxpod> SurveR: flac.sf.net
[04:34] <SurveR> am ok
[04:34] <netmonk> anyone with ideas on suspend for toshiba laptop? under suse it works with 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' but under Ubuntu the screen just goes blank and then comes back in 1 second. pls, help!
[04:34] <SurveR> i see for add all directory
[04:34] <SurveR> but.... :D
[04:38] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[04:41] <thoreauputic> shelldos: how much space did you allocate for ubuntu? Sounds like not enough... ?
[04:41] <shelldos> thoreauputic: tha partition is 5gb
[04:42] <thoreauputic> hmm... should be plenty. Don't know then
[04:53] <supos> Is this way cool or what: My parents asked me (!) if I could please install GNU/Linux on their computer, as they were growing sick and tired of Windows!
[04:54] <supos> Only problem is that it's an old celeron 333 with only 64 megs of ram, and I was wondering how Ubuntu would run on this?
[04:54] <mirak> supos: a bit short on ram maybe
[04:54] <mirak> but it will work for sure
[04:54] <mirak> kde will maybe be a bit laggy
[04:55] <mirak> ah sorry there is not kde on ubuntu :D
[04:55] <supos> lol
[04:55] <mirak> I installed debian on a power mac 120mhz 64mo of ram
[04:55] <mxpxpod> is anyone here that uses hoary on ppc?
[04:55] <mirak> mxpxpod: why ?
[04:56] <aim1159> are there any russina-speaking users here?
[04:56] <supos> I'm running Debian myself, but I figured Ubuntu might be a bit easier for my computer illiterate parents
[04:56] <mxpxpod> mirak: I'd like to know if xorg works well on it
[04:56] <mirak> mxpxpod: why not ?
[04:56] <mxpxpod> mirak: just checking
[04:57] <mirak> mxpxpod: I have debian on a G3, and there is no visible difference in usage in fact
[04:57] <mirak> than from a PC
[04:57] <mxpxpod> mirak: ok
[04:57] <aim1159> mirak: what the sense to use debian on G3 instead of Classic MacOS 9?
[04:58] <mxpxpod> mirak: I've got an ibook g4, so I don't know how well drm works on it with xorg
[05:00] <heavy> how do i setup an nfs client in ubuntu?
[05:01] <mirak> aim1159: ???
[05:01] <mirak> aim1159: if you would have suggested OS X instead of OS 9 well maybe
[05:01] <mirak> but OS 9
[05:01] <mirak> duh
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: in fact the official reason is that I don't have OS 9 licence
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: nor OS X
[05:02] <heavy> i have nfs-common installed but it doesn't start
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: because my neighoburg gave the mac
[05:02] <shaver> and they kept the license?
[05:03] <shaver> interesting choice
[05:03] <mirak> aim1159: so I installed linux on it first. Then I recently installed OS X.
[05:03] <crimsun> heavy: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/nfs.htm
[05:03] <mirak> shaver: in fact I think I have OS 9 orignal CD
[05:03] <mirak> but OS 9 is not supported anymore anyway
[05:03] <mirak> using linux on a mac is like using linux on a pc
[05:03] <mirak> you avoid proprietary OS
[05:04] <mirak> and have tons of free applications
[05:04] <mirak> and applications not available elsewhere anyway
[05:05] <heavy> crimsun, thanks, i'll take a look
[05:05] <mirak> mxpxpod: ibooks are really jewels of technology and design
[05:05] <mirak> :D
[05:07] <aim1159> mirak: mmm... it's strange. I though all Mac hardware came with MacOS pre-installed with the licence of cause. And the licence could not be separete from the installed os...
[05:08] <khwarizmi> I have a question: after doing some research, I still didn't find a solution about the "burning VCDs with Ubuntu"-issue. Does anybody know a solution for it?
[05:08] <crimsun> what type of file(s) are you trying to burn?
[05:09] <mirak> aim1159: I had this discussion on #macosx
[05:09] <aim1159> mirak: and?
[05:09] <mirak> aim1159: I have licence for OS 9 then
[05:09] <mirak> but not OS X
[05:09] <aim1159> of cause.
[05:09] <mirak> or well if you are right that's fine
[05:09] <mirak> by the way I downloaded OS X
[05:10] <aim1159> it's stupid, I think, to set up os x on g3 - it's not a good hardware for mac os x
[05:10] <mirak> and installed it
[05:10] <mirak> there is no copy protection
[05:10] <Chibi> o_O
[05:10] <mirak> there is no key protection
[05:10] <Echylo> maybe it was disabled already :)
[05:10] <Chibi> Fun. I wish I had a powerpc laying around. :o
[05:10] <mirak> aim1159: how do you know ?
[05:10] <mirak> aim1159: os x runs fine on it, I don't see the problem
[05:11] <khwarizmi> crimsun: Well, I have MPEGs.
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: even expose is working
[05:11] <crimsun> khwarizmi: do you have a cue sheet as well?
[05:11] <aim1159> mirak: mmm... it's too slow for me. osx on g4 runs much smoother
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: that's not as fluid than on a G5, but that's still better than any expose like on windows or linux
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: then give me your g4
[05:11] <mirak> lol
[05:12] <aim1159> mirak: it's not mine. it's a spbu's mac
[05:12] <aim1159> both of them
[05:12] <khwarizmi> crimsun: No, I don't. But do I need that? In Windows times one wasn't neccesary. I just used Nero, I chose "VCD", specified the MPEG file, and there I went.
[05:12] <mirak> aim1159: anyway I run linux on it most of the time. I installed OS X not as a necessity, but more to just try it
[05:13] <thoreauputic> mirak: is OS X simple to install? and easy for dual-boot etc (I'm not a mac user, but I've been considering it)
[05:13] <crimsun> khwarizmi: I've only used cdrdao w/ cue sheets. K3b may offer functionality to burn as vcd, but I'm uncertain.
[05:13] <mirak> thoreauputic: it's very easy to install yes.
[05:14] <mirak> thoreauputic: for the dualboot some cautions must be taken
[05:14] <thoreauputic> mirak: partitioning?
[05:14] <mirak> thoreauputic: in fact you should try to install linux first, with a separated /home partition that you format i hfsplus
[05:14] <mirak> in
[05:14] <thoreauputic> I see
[05:15] <thoreauputic> mirak: and do you use grub/lilo. or is it yaboot or whatever it's called?
[05:15] <mirak> thoreauputic: ok so I would suggest you to install linux on a 5G partition, then keep a free 5G partition for OS X (it installs on 2,5G without apps)
[05:15] <mirak> thoreauputic: and the rest for home in hfsplus
[05:16] <jimi> hi
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: that's yaboot, but it's similar to lilo
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: you must use mac-fdisk instead of fdisk
[05:16] <thoreauputic> mirak: OK - thanks for the information
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: #debianppc have good support
[05:17] <mirak> thoreauputic: there is also #gentoo-ppc
[05:17] <a_> i am thinking about running ubuntu.  my only concern is what happens if i use a package from universe, and at some point a vulnerability in that package is discovered.  am i stuck with the vulnerability if i need that package?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> mirak: heh - I'll stick with debian :)
[05:17] <khwarizmi> crimsun: K3b doesn't offer it, I checked. It offers data CDs, audio CDs, DVDs and that's it.
[05:18] <mirak> thoreauputic: there is a bootstrap partition also to put before the other ones
[05:18] <khwarizmi> crimsun: well, then let me ask this way: can I create a CUE sheet in order to burn it with cdrdao?
[05:18] <mirak> thoreauputic: mac-fdisk can do that for you
[05:20] <Echylo> question about ubuntu!
[05:20] <Echylo> how to shut down x server?
[05:20] <Echylo> cause init 3, init 5 doesn't really helps
[05:21] <khwarizmi> Echoylo: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, I think.
[05:21] <EfaistOs> do u know how to install vmware when the 2.6.8-3 kernel headers are not availble yet ? apparently vmware checks if the headers and the version of kernel are the same ...
[05:22] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[05:23] <shelldos> confugaration of xserver etc didnt even come up!
[05:23] <shelldos> stupid installation
[05:25] <supos> shelldos: how much space do you have on /var
[05:25] <jimi> i dont have bugzilla account, but have lots of information about bug #3196 (instllation process crash)
[05:25] <jimi> who should i give the logs
[05:26] <a_> are there any experienced ubuntu users here?
[05:26] <trans_err> woo- drop shadows in hoary :D
[05:27] <jimi> is there a hoary iso somewhere? cool... my warty crashes at install process :s
[05:30] <Mayday> jimi: why not make a bugzilla account?
[05:30] <tvon> Anyone having memory issues using Hoary?
[05:31] <tvon> actually I had them with warty too
[05:31] <jimi> i dont know... i am forced to use knoppix right now, i dont feel like making accounts and so
[05:31] <tvon> basically something is sucking up my ram
[05:32] <tvon> jimi: check the mailing lists, there are daily hoary snapshots up somewhere
[05:32] <occy> how do I get jre2 on ubuntu?
[05:32] <jimi> ok thank you
[05:32] <tvon> hrm, might be spamd
[05:33] <occy> apt-cache search jre doesn't show anything useful.
[05:33] <pisuke> occy, look at the wiki, but it's a bit messy for me. I jus't got it from java.sun.com, it was less pain for me.
[05:33] <lrn> i have some questions
[05:33] <lrn> how i get XORG to my ubuntu
[05:33] <occy> pisuke, hmmm
[05:33] <occy> ok
[05:33] <lrn> and i want to install kmldonkey
[05:34] <lrn> and i need non free apt-get source for that
[05:34] <thoreauputic> lrn: upgrade to hoary for X.org
[05:34] <pisuke> lrn, for xorg upgrade to horay
[05:34] <EfaistOs> nobody can answers me about the headers ?!
[05:34] <lrn> thoreauputic apt-get upgrade ?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> lrn: err - no you need hoary souces and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:35] <jimi> i have all logs for bug #3196 (a "need info" bug...) please some ubuntu dev take them T_T
[05:35] <thoreauputic> *sources
[05:35] <jimi> i cant make bugzilla account right now
[05:35] <lrn> thoreauputic from where can i get them?
[05:36] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, do apt-cache search linux-headers they are there
[05:36] <kensai> lrn, remove from /etc/apt/sources.list that says warty to hoary
[05:36] <thoreauputic> lrn: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty -> hoary
[05:36] <lrn> ok
[05:36] <Kal_Zakath> lrn : then perform apt-get update
[05:37] <lrn> also i need to change that
[05:37] <lrn> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:37] <lrn> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:37] <lrn> ?
[05:37] <Kal_Zakath> and after update perform apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:37] <kensai> lrn: if you want change that too
[05:37] <occy> heh, pretty crappy when you can't easily find JRE2 on Sun's page.
[05:37] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, and what is the difference between kernel-headers and linux-headers N
[05:38] <kensai> lrn, change warty-security to hoary-security
[05:38] <theweb|sleeping> Hello, can't print to connected Epson Stylus C60 printer, cups says "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...".
[05:38] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, just a name change
[05:38] <theweb|sleeping> He is connected, cause when starting suse he can print!?
[05:38] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, why they cant put the same name ? weird ...
[05:39] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, I dunno just a Ubuntuisim I guess
[05:39] <theweb> Have search in Ubuntu's FAQ and wiki, couldn't find a reason for this behavior?
[05:39] <lrn> any one here got KLMdonkey ?
[05:40] <eclipse> can someone tell how to upgrade XFree86 to X.org on ubuntu?
[05:41] <kensai> eclipse, remove from /etc/apt/sources.list everything that says warty to hoary
[05:41] <eclipse> then apt-get install x.org?
[05:41] <pisuke> eclipse, xorg is in horay, but it's a development version.
[05:41] <eclipse> it's ok
[05:41] <kensai> eclipse: apt-get update $$ apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <eclipse> ok
[05:42] <kensai> eclipse: warning: you'll get as unstable as hell
[05:42] <eclipse> really?
[05:42] <kensai> eclipse: you will have even the gnome 2.9.1 which is buggy
[05:43] <eclipse> well, can i just upgrade x.org only?
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse: if you need something stable
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse;stay with warty
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse, but if you don't need to have 100% stability then move to hoary
[05:43] <eclipse> reason i want to upgrade to x.org is because my animated cursors keep on flicking
[05:44] <kensai> eclipse, hoary is like 80% less unstable only
[05:44] <eclipse> damn...so maybe it's my nvidia driver then?
[05:44] <kensai> eclipse, but I'm in hoary without probs
[05:45] <eclipse> what about ur animated cursors...r they flickering?
[05:45] <LinuxJones> kensai, so hoary is fairly stable ?
[05:45] <Chibi> Hmm, are you implying today is a good day to dist-upgrade?
[05:45] <kensai> eclipse: nope
[05:45] <kensai> LinuxJones: yes
[05:45] <kensai> LinuxJones: I say 80% stable
[05:45] <LinuxJones> kensai, I think I'll upgrade for something to do :D
[05:45] <eclipse> then i need to upgrade to x.org
[05:46] <kensai> eclipse: xorg is only obtained with hoary
[05:46] <kensai> so change your sources.list
[05:46] <tseng> the only major problem with hoary ive noticed is, evolution 2.1 is a bit flakey
[05:46] <kensai> tseng: It gets constant upgades
[05:47] <kensai> tseng: but your right
[05:47] <eclipse> kensai, i only want x.org not gnome 2.9.1
[05:48] <eclipse> can i do that?
[05:48] <mirak> yes
[05:48] <mirak> wait
[05:48] <mirak> I have just done something similar
[05:48] <eclipse> mirak, i can do that?
[05:49] <kensai> eclipse: well it is almost possible almost imposible
[05:49] <eclipse> kensai, what do u mean?
[05:49] <mirak> eclipse: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf you edit this file and add the line APT::Default-Release warty;
[05:50] <kensai> eclipse: youll need to work more by doing it but you can do it
[05:50] <eclipse> so all i have to do is edit 70debconf?
[05:50] <mirak> then you copy the appropriate source to hoary in sources.list
[05:50] <mirak> you had the hoary mirors in fact
[05:51] <mirak> then you do something like
[05:51] <mirak> apt-get -t hoary install "thenameofthepackagewithxorg"
[05:51] <kensai> eclipse: anyways the only problem with the new gnome is that you need to log out and in again to emty trash