[04:21] <foo> Setting up a server that primarily serve as endpoint for webhooks. ubuntu 22.04 + nginx + reverse proxy + git repo for code + connection to managed database.
[04:21] <foo> What's a best practice for what system user "owns the code" ? eg. has perms set up for it? Was thinking about a user named "dev" - any other suggestions beyond that?
[14:45] <foo> Hmm, maybe there isn't a best practice
[14:45] <foo> I'll just do that


[00:39] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: we do not seem to have Ardour 5.12 available as a backport for 16.04.
[00:48] <OvenWerks> https://discourse.ardour.org/t/i-have-found-this-software-to-be-so-unstable-its-unusable/87322/8
[00:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I suggested upgrading to 18.04 as being the better solution.
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes. 16.04 is EOL and we don't support it.
[18:46] <teward> Eickmeyer: i'll look at raysession tomorrow unless someone else gets to it
[18:46] <teward> i'm dead tired today >.>
[18:46] <teward> and leaving early after my 8 hour day i had to pull off hours this weekend
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> teward: Cool. I want to get this in before FF next Thursday (and first day of my vacation). I doubt anybody else will get to it before you, but if you could get to that ASAP I'd appreciate it. :)
[18:48] <teward> yep.
[18:49] <teward> do you have the list of issues vorlon stated with it again?
[18:49] <teward> *lost the list when his infra exploded this past thursday*
[18:49] <teward> so I can be thorough :P
[18:50] <teward> unrelated, COFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> The only real issue he mentioned was the copyright issue.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> And the overrides, which have been fixed.
 ack
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> It wasn't a huge list, teward.
 i'll review tomorrow
[18:54] <teward> for now... *goes to coffee up and finish the day then pass out at home*
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> Ok, get some rest.
[18:55] <teward> GOOD NEWS is the 8 hours work I pulled this weekend entitles me to adjust my work schedule by 8 hours
[18:55] <teward> so either a whole day off
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> NICE!
[18:55] <teward> or leave early during the day, etc.
[18:55] <teward> so i get off at 4PM today
[18:55] <teward> *is leaving an hour earlier today8
[18:55] <teward> fek i can't type
[18:55] <Eickmeyer> ERR:TypingNotFound
 well, regardless
 `ImportError: No module named 'coffee'`
 oopsies?
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> Oof
 `ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'coffee'`
 foo
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> bar
 `NameError: name 'bar' is not defined`
[19:12] <teward> `[KERNEL ERROR] lp0 on fire` ... oops something I think is on fire?  :P
[19:13] <teward> aaaanyways...
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> LOL


[16:58] <Torikun> anyone running ubuntu on a macbook pro?
[17:03] <philipballew> Torikun, There is some good guides as to how you can run it
[17:04] <Torikun> Yeah thanks philipballew . I was just wondering if anyone had any issues before I did it
[17:04] <philipballew> Not much more then any other computers
[17:10] <philipballew> Torikun,
[17:10] <philipballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[17:10] <darthrobot> Title: [MacBookPro - Community Ubuntu Documentation]
[17:11] <Torikun> ty
[17:24]  * kdub always misses philipballew
[17:25] <kdub> raevol, when's a good next ubuntu hour day?
[17:25] <raevol> sup kdub, any tuesday or thursday is good for me
[17:29] <kdub> mmk, may as well coordinate around the regular's schedules :)
[17:31] <raevol> hehe
[20:14] <kdub> anyone usea good graphical diff tool on linux? i've been using kompare, but its prone to crashing...
[20:22] <akk> I used to use tkdiff, but I've mostly switched to meld.
[23:28] <pleia2> san francisco ubuntu hour tonight :)
[23:28] <pleia2> (even though the weather is miserable)


[12:29] <mup> PR snapd#8227 opened: interfaces/audio_playback: Fix pulseaudio config access <Created by Erick555> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8227>


[06:54] <doko> coreycb: nova needs the 3.6 fix: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/nova/disco/amd64
[10:00] <seb128> tsimonq2, hey, you have SRU in bionic that need verification for a long time, e.g openbox since june or python-phabricator since august, could you get them verified?
[11:48] <ahasenack> do I need to run germinate-update-metapackage in disco, or am I just missing a package from backports perhaps? I'm on bionic: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ydGWxd4XgY/
[11:48] <ahasenack> that 'update' script is from the ubuntu-meta source package
[11:50] <cjwatson> Either make sure you have at least as new a version of debootstrap as the last person who ran the script (reported in that error message), or you can ignore it by hacking the debootstrap-version file but then it's on you to check the diff with a fine-toothed comb
[11:55] <ahasenack> cosmic is fine then
[12:16] <ahasenack> no, I need disco
[12:16] <ahasenack> let's see if I can get disco yet
[12:19] <cjwatson> ahasenack: I don't see why.   debootstrap | 1.0.108ubuntu1       | cosmic          | source, all
[12:19] <cjwatson> ahasenack: You might need the one from cosmic-proposed in order to get the disco symlink
[12:19] <ahasenack> it complained about missing /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/disco
[12:19] <ahasenack> I hacked update.cfg to point at disco instead of cosmic
[12:20] <ahasenack> anyway, got a disco image
[12:20] <cjwatson> ahasenack: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/1.0.108ubuntu1.1
[12:20] <ahasenack> hm, no I didn't get a disco image
[12:20]  * ahasenack looks for his coffee
[13:24] <doko> coreycb, jamespage: please see the autopkg test failures triggered by python-greenlet: nova cinder heat
[13:25] <coreycb> doko: i'll take a look
[14:20] <seb128> rbasak, thx for the bolt review!
[14:23] <rbasak> np!
[14:31] <rbasak> Laney: please could you help with the autopkgtest failures in the glib2.0 SRU to Bionic? There are rather a lot :(
[14:32] <rbasak> (and I think we want to be force-badtesting everything after verifying if we are to ignore them)
[14:34] <smoser> dannf: https://code.launchpad.net/~dannf/cloud-initramfs-tools/+git/cloud-initramfs-tools/+merge/344193
[14:34] <smoser> is that still a problem ?
[14:36] <bdmurray> mpt: Could you comment on bug 1787553? I find the frequency of the livepatch reminder rather odd.
[14:40] <rbasak> xnox: are you planning on sorting the MERGED_USR thing in the debootstrap SRU backports please? The lack of debootstrap support for the distro-info-data development release is what is I think causing sbuild autopkgtests to fail in the stable releases.
[14:41] <bdmurray> rbasak: agreed
[14:46] <rbasak> I wonder if an alternative is to accept it as-is, given that users release upgrading won't get usr-merge we have to support that anyway.
[14:50] <Laney> rbasak: Okey dokey - do you want my assessments here?
[14:55] <rbasak> Laney: I'm not entirely sure. It'd be nice if you could give me an MP for hints to suppress everything, with justifications. Then I suppose my job is to check that they all seem reasonable, and then I can get the report clear.
[14:55] <rbasak> I'm not sure if that's the expected process now or what.
[14:55] <rbasak> (and of course mark verification-failed-* if any failures are genuine; I'm not sure if I've ever actually seen that :-/
[14:58] <Laney> rbasak: Alright. Doing this makes sense if you want to move to using britney to release the SRUs, anyway.
[14:59] <Laney> For the dev. release the release team shoulders much of the burden - I like that for SRUs you're pushing that back to the uploader
[15:00] <Laney> it's mostly "crappy flaky tests" though, because we don't have good mechanisms/incentives to get them fixed
[15:01] <cpaelzer> hi, has anybody experience using the scons build system with python3 ?
[15:01] <rbasak> pushing that back to the uploader> only because it feels like I make no progress on an SRU shift otherwise, which seems particularly inefficient given that there are relatively few SRU team members and any uploader can do it.
[15:02] <rbasak> it's mostly "crappy flaky tests" though> yeah it's frustrating. I'm not convinced that the benefit of dep8 is currently worth the trade-off of developer time trawling through a gazillion failures.
[15:02] <Laney> imagemagick was obviously broken by something that got released into bionic
[15:03] <smoser> rbasak: interested in what you think about https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/358390
[15:04] <smoser> i realize the chicken-and-egg thing, but I feel that the solution there provides a quick way to run tests and pylint that cannot really be provided by tox
[15:06] <smoser> and https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/usd-importer/+git/usd-importer/+merge/358413 is really just a upstream policy... if you want tests in the same files or not.  Either way on that one I think that the pytest.cfg change is an improvement.
[15:10] <rbasak> smoser: on tox, I have no particular opinion, though I was going to run it past powersj wearing a QA hat.
[15:11] <rbasak> smoser: on _test.py, I agree and we adopted that policy a while ago - we just hadn't actively moved old tests into that form.
[15:11] <smoser> so the policy is to move to _test.py.
[15:11] <smoser> ok
[15:13] <smoser> wrt tox. i'm ok to wait on a suggestion from powers, but i can't imagine he'd disagree.  For a number of reasons tox just doesn't "fit" here.
[15:14] <smoser> I love tox, and depend on it elsewhere. but it just doesnt fit here.
[15:14] <rbasak> Sure. I'm just consciously inexperienced in this area.
[15:37] <tsimonq2> seb128: Sure, it's on the TODO list.
[15:38] <tsimonq2> What's the rush?
[15:39] <tsimonq2> (It's been sitting there for a bit, what's the sudden urgency?)
[15:39] <seb128> tsimonq2, having SRUs in the proposed queue unverified since june just feels wrong, what if we need to stack another fix on those? also it means a fix that was upload is not reaching users which is a waste
[15:39] <Laney> What urgency?
[15:40] <Laney> You just got pinged, after multiple months - I think that it's fair enough to think you might need a reminder ...
[15:41] <tsimonq2> Fair.
[15:41] <Laney> 👍
[15:42] <tsimonq2> seb128: needing to stack things on top> Lubuntu maintains both packages, and while my name is on the package, *poke* wxl (QA manager in Lubuntu) to verify. :P
[15:43] <tsimonq2> (Phabricator less so, but it's seen very few updates and we use the archive package in prod.)
[15:43] <seb128> tsimonq2, well, that might be a non point, still we often have SRUs that end up sitting in the proposed queue for years not being verified which is just wrong, those are fixes we cared enough to upload so we should care enough as well to have them reaching the users
[15:43] <seb128> tsimonq2, if we don't care about getting them to user why did we bother doing a SRU upload and wasting reviews time?
[15:44] <tsimonq2> Understood.
[15:44] <seb128> thx :)
[15:44] <tsimonq2> Thanks for the reminder.
[15:49] <coreycb> doko: i'm hitting py36 test failures on disco with 'import _cffi_backend as backend'. it's not an issue if python3.6 is going to be dropped from disco but for now the openstack packages auto-detect py3 versions during builds.
[15:54] <seb128> when can we expect disco to really open?
[15:55] <Laney> after perl and python3-defaults I think
[15:57] <tsimonq2> I wanted to get Qt in too but that's a maybe at this point.
[15:58] <seb128> k, I've no idea how far those are so I guess I will just keep waiting for a while :)
[15:59] <Laney> looking quite good AFAICS
[16:00] <seb128> great, because we are already 3 weeks into the cycle
[16:00] <seb128> so would be good to start moving for other things thattoolchain & early transitions :)
[16:00] <seb128> well, as long as SRU team doesn't block my cosmic fixes "because the fix is not in disco" yet it's ok
[16:06] <rbasak> FWIW, I don't think it makes sense to block SRUs on that. As long as an upload is ready somewhere for Disco I'll be satisfied.
[16:18] <seb128> good to know :)
[17:03] <doko> coreycb: you don't have 3.6 extensions anymore
[17:58] <dannf> smoser: yes, still seeing it. and fyi, hit another issue just now when checking it: https://code.launchpad.net/~dannf/cloud-initramfs-tools/+git/cloud-initramfs-tools/+merge/358453
[18:01] <smoser> dannf: i'll upload as soon as archive is open.
[18:03] <smoser> i'll get that one too.
[18:50] <dannf> smoser: thx!
[20:56] <doko> coreycb: heat ftbfs with test failures
[20:57] <coreycb> doko: working on it thanks. it's the py36 unit tests.


[14:08] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[14:09] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley
[14:10] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!  Do you happen to know Stuart Langridge's ircnick?
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, it's aquarius
[14:11] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks. :)
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> i don't see him online atm though
[14:11] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: k
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80302026/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.thunderbird-trunk_9.0%7Ea1%7Ehg20110918r8519.77120-0ubuntu1%7Eumd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> it seems the xpidl binary is gone now, and that breaks building the eds extension
[15:59] <m_conley> Oof, that's right, we switched to xpidl.py
[15:59] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: thanks for the heads up, I'll tackle that.
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: do you know when thunderbird-couchdb is going to land?
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, possibly today, but isn't desktopcouch still broken?
[16:02] <m_conley> Unsure - was just doing a fresh install of Oneiric to test all of that.
[16:04] <chrisccoulson> heh, i had a mandatory fresh install last week too, after my laptop fell apart ;)
[16:04] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oof, finally happened, eh?
[16:05] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, the display pretty much fell off
[16:06] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I remember it was a bit shaky during UDS
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, i think i tightened the screws since then
[16:07] <chrisccoulson> but then the hinge snapped entirely ;)
[16:07] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: nice.  An unexpected upgrade.
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> yeah, my new machine is pretty quick
[16:08] <chrisccoulson> 8GB of RAM and a 120GB SSD too ;)
[16:08] <m_conley> oh, nice.  Yeah, the SSD makes a huge difference for building
[16:48] <and`> asac_: hey!
[16:48] <and`> any clue when icedove 5.0 will be pushed to sid?
[16:48] <micahg> and`: 5.0?  6.0 is stable...
[16:49] <and`> micahg: 3.1 is the package we have in sid atm
[16:49] <and`> 5.0 is on exp
[16:49] <micahg> which is better than 5.0 as it's supported :)
[16:50] <and`> so let's change my question, when 6.0 will be pushed to sid? :)
[17:31] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hrm - looks like xpidl.py isn't shipped with the current firefox/thunderbird-dev packages...
[18:27] <chrisccoulson> ouch @ bug 854101 :(
[18:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854101 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon takes waaaaaaaay too long to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854101
[18:33] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ok, pushed a fix that makes the EDS addon use typelib.py to generate the XPT's.  Let me know if that helps.
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, thanks
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> trying to figure out why startup time sucks so much in oneiric atm ;)
[18:36] <bhearsum> hey guys
[18:37] <m_conley> bhearsum: yo
[18:37] <bhearsum> how's it going?
[18:38] <m_conley> bhearsum: going alright - just pounding away at some bugs.  Getting lined up to knock one out of the park, once this build finishes.  :)
[18:38] <m_conley> bhearsum: yourself?
[18:38] <bhearsum> nice :)
[18:38] <bhearsum> pretty good, now that i've recovered from the Mozilla Plague
[18:38] <m_conley> bhearsum: oh, no - did you pick something up in San Jose?
[18:39] <bhearsum> yeah, i had 4 or 5 symptoms from wednesday until this morning
[18:39] <m_conley> oof, that blows.  :/
[18:39] <bhearsum> yeah, i missed the thursday event :(
[18:40] <bhearsum> how was the week for you?
[18:40] <m_conley> bhearsum: oh well, got yourself some well deserved rest, I hope.  :)
[18:40] <bhearsum> yeah
[18:40] <m_conley> bhearsum: exhausting, but splendid.
[18:40] <m_conley> :)
[18:41] <bhearsum> glad to hear it
[18:48] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson, micahg: you guys all set for Fx7 next week? any questions about it?
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i won't be here :P
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> but yeah, i think we're all set :)
[18:48] <micahg> bhearsum: set? not yet, questions? nope
[18:48] <chrisccoulson> 2 different answers there ;)
[18:49] <micahg> I might spin the release build for natty off of the beta channel due to a lack of time for me, that will depend on what the pan for 3.6.23 is though
[18:49] <bhearsum> :P
[18:49] <micahg> *plan
[18:49] <bhearsum> 3.6.23 looks like it's slipping ;(
[18:49] <micahg> bhearsum: I don't have builds up yet for 7, so that's why I say not set
[18:49] <bhearsum> :(
[18:49] <bhearsum> fair enough
[18:50] <micahg> bhearsum: right, so if that's the case, I'll build/test 7 now so I have time for 3.6.23 when it comes
[18:50] <micahg> but it's much better seeing the discussion happen so I'm not wondering why stuff isn't happening yet
[18:50] <bhearsum> yeah
[18:51] <bhearsum> okay, well just let me know if you have any questions that yo udon't want to send to the list, i'm around this week except for friday
[18:54] <micahg> bhearsum: thanks
[18:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you add me to chromium-daily?
[18:56] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - I just pushed a few tests to Messaging Menu 0.7, and I wonder if I accidentally cross-contaminated with some code from trunk.  Is there stuff in here that doesn't belong?  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mconley/messagingmenu-extension/0.7/changes
[18:57] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: bzr is...bizarre.  :p


[22:03] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:07] <rick_h_> huwshimi: morn
[22:07] <huwshimi> rick_h_: Hi :)
[22:45] <rick_h_> hatch: questions on that branch of yours for the IE bug. The 'always' nature of it makes me nervous
[22:57] <hatch> rick_h_: just checking
[22:57] <hatch> I think that it was a good catch
[22:58] <hatch> yup


[07:36] <mitesh> I am a college student from India and ubuntu user. I wish to organize Global Bug Jam in my college and dont know how to begin, any suggestions?
[07:47] <somaunn> hello


[00:00] <jamf> im not sure of about doing that, because ppa-purge says that have to delete/downgrade several packages
[00:01] <jamf> so my question is, what is the need of doing ppa-purge before do-release-upgrade?
[23:27] <Jamie_1> hey i need to make a boot partition on this computer, i am running gnome, when i installed for some odd reason it made the boot partition on the flash drive and i had just been using that to boot for the past month or two,
[23:27] <Jamie_1> now i lost the flash drive so i cant restart, i am on the computer now


[12:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:39] <clivejo> anyone notice Plasma 5.25.90 keeps resting wallpapers back to that weird spaceship with KDE flag on it?
[15:39] <clivejo> resting/resetting
[15:58] <mamarley> I haven't had that problem.
[16:01] <clivejo> strange
[17:20] <RikMills> frameworks 5.99.0 is in kinetic backports-landing
[17:21] <RikMills> a bit in advance, as there is no lseries release to backport from yet, but good for testing ;)
[17:21] <RikMills> plus plasma 5.26 for kinetic may appear there tomorrow
[17:21] <RikMills> possibly
[17:21] <RikMills> if ok
[17:22] <RikMills> if the wind blows the right was
[17:22] <RikMills> *way
[17:22] <RikMills> and portents are good
[17:22] <RikMills> clivejo: nope. not seen that
[17:23] <RikMills> mamarley: you might find something nice in a landing ppa
[17:23] <RikMills> ci-train
[17:23] <RikMills> if you have not already
[17:30]  * mamarley goes looking...
[18:03]  * mamarley finds it and fires up the Kopier.
 tested .. so far so good ... (re @IrcsomeBot: <RikMills> frameworks 5.99.0 is in kinetic backports-landing)
[19:07] <mamarley> RikMills: I installed the thing from the ci-train PPA and it works great so far.  Thanks!


[12:25] <Guest74477> Hello, I'm using rootstock and am using --matchbox-desktop for a seed but I don't get a bootable desktop in qemu.
[12:26] <Guest74477> Is there other seeds I need to use?
[12:26] <Guest74477> x.org possibly?
[12:28] <Guest74477> ^?
[12:32] <Guest74477> ogra, ?
[12:55] <cwillu> Guest74477, matchbox-desktop isn't a full desktop environment
[12:56] <Guest74477> I downloaded the matchbox-panel, matchbox-window-manager , libmatchbox
[12:56] <Guest74477> matchbox-common
[13:02] <Guest74477> Its for an embedded device
[13:03] <cwillu> yes, but some assembly is required with that package
[13:04] <Guest74477> Do I need to build from source?
[13:04] <cwillu> no, you need to play with it in an otherwise already working machine (virtual or otherwise), and learn how the pieces fit together
[13:04] <Guest74477> Im running it in qemu so I can
[13:05] <Guest74477> The device is buttonless so Im having to design etc in a vm
[13:05] <cwillu> okay, but don't bite off more than you can chew
[13:05] <cwillu> your first step should be to get a completely standard install of some common distro working
[13:06] <Guest74477> use ubuntu-desktop as the seed?
[13:06] <Guest74477> It would be too heavy for the device (iPhone 3f
[13:06] <Guest74477> g)
[13:06] <cwillu> once you know that you've got boot loaders, kernels, drivers, and so forth handled, then you can start more adventurous things
[13:07] <Guest74477> We have OpeniBoot idroid kernel and almost all the drivers working on the kernel
[13:07] <cwillu> 'we' means you've actually had everything working yourself?
[13:07] <cwillu> if not, then that's your first step
[13:07] <cwillu> duplicating what's already been done
[13:08] <Guest74477> I've had Android up and running, someone else has had debian running but isnt releasing inscrtuctions
[13:08] <Guest74477> I have the boot loader and kernel and have them both running
[13:09] <cwillu> in the vm, how far have you gotten?
[13:09] <Guest74477> The idroid kernel passes off to android kernel where as the person who installed debian used only the idroi kernel
[13:09] <Guest74477> I've gotten it to boot to cli
[13:09] <Guest74477> Logged in and used apt-get etc.
[13:09] <cwillu> did you set anything up to start x?
[13:09] <Guest74477> Adde other port repo's to sources.list
[13:10] <Guest74477> I got x installed and started x it just loaded a black screen
[13:10] <cwillu> (typically you wouldn't use gdm on an embedded device, which is why matchbox-desktop doesn't depend on it)
[13:10] <Guest74477> There wasn't an xinitrc
[13:10] <Guest74477> There wasnt a gdm
[13:10] <Guest74477> It was a text base login
[13:10] <cwillu> yes, that's what I just told you :p
[13:10] <Guest74477> But that can be disabled
[13:11] <Guest74477> Or should I remove it and keep it single user?
[13:11] <cwillu> not sure how that's relevant :)
[13:11] <cwillu> your problems with x aren't related to what users you have
 (typically you wouldn't use gdm on an embedded device, which is why matchbox-desktop doesn't depend on it)
[13:11] <Guest74477> Should I remove gdm :p
[13:11] <Guest74477> ?
[13:11] <cwillu> is it installed?
[13:12] <Guest74477> No, it's just text based, I thought gdm was graphical
[13:12] <cwillu> okay, lets try a different approach to educating you :)
[13:12] <cwillu> what os are you running on your desktop?
[13:12] <cwillu> linux of some variety?
[13:13] <cwillu> spend some time learning how it's actually put together, which pieces are responsible for which tasks
[13:13] <Guest74477> I've been using linux on my desktop for a few years and have built by own x86 distro's I know a fair bit about building a distro it's just Im new to arm
[13:13] <cwillu> okay;  none of your issues are really arm related at the moment
[13:13] <Guest74477> I appreciate the help but that was a bit patronising
[13:13] <cwillu> i.e., if you can get x up at all, and so on
[13:14] <cwillu> you're aware that gdm is typically responsible for starting X on a desktop?
[13:14] <Guest74477> Gnome display manager?
[13:14] <cwillu> yes
[13:15] <cwillu> it's the part that actually runs X on a desktop
[13:15] <Guest74477> It isn't installed
[13:15] <Guest74477> Niether is gnome
[13:15] <cwillu> yes, so what do you have to actually start x?
[13:15] <Guest74477> x.org and the startx comman
[13:15] <Guest74477> d
[13:15] <cwillu> matchbox isn't a session, it's a bunch of pieces you use to make the exact pieces you need
[13:16] <cwillu> iirc, there's an /etc/matchbox-session (or something like that, it might actually be in /usr/bin) which is a simple script which you need to edit
[13:16] <Guest74477> Right, wouldnt it be best to use a lightweight window manager/ desktop like openbox to start a session?
[13:17] <Guest74477> Then add matchbox components to xinit after they've been configured?
[13:17] <cwillu> sorry if I sound patronizing, it's just tricky figuring out what a given person knows vs considers obvious vs knows nothing about
[13:17] <Guest74477> It's ok, thsnk
[13:17] <cwillu> Do you have anything in /etc/init or /etc/init.d (the first is preferred) to start x?
[13:18] <Guest74477> thank you for continuing to help after I said that most wouldn't :)
[13:18] <Guest74477> I've had to delete the img I made with rootstock due to an ext2 error, I didnt have the applications in the vm to fix it
[13:19] <Guest74477> I'll get it set up and add all the programs again. (Making a backup with time)
[13:19] <cwillu> most of the scripts you'll need to work with would be identical between x86 and arm
[13:20] <cwillu> what you might want to do is make a normal x86 server install in a vm, and build it up inside the vm
[13:20] <cwillu> once you know what pieces you need, it'll be easier to poke rootstock in the right way
[13:21] <cwillu> you'll need something to start X, http://pastebin.com/qSaxR3xh is a copy of what I use (just dump it in /etc/init)
[13:21] <Guest74477> I've done that before with x86, I started with ubuntu minimal, got a booting system installed blackbox and I was away. I can imagine it's same process with this now, but arm and embedded is still new waters, I'll let you know how iBuntu goes
[13:22] <cwillu> arm doesn't affect any of this though
[13:22] <Guest74477> ok
[13:22] <cwillu> all the same packages are available
[13:22] <cwillu> there might be an occasional bug that's in x86 that isn't in arm, or vice verse, but in general it works exactly the same
[13:22] <Guest74477> What does the -- vt7 -nr variables do for startx?
[13:22] <cwillu> man startx :)
[13:23] <cwillu> -- is the divider between parameters for the session vs parameters for the x server
[13:23] <cwillu> vt7 tells it to start on vt7
[13:23] <Guest74477> virtual terminal ie ctrl alt f7?
[13:24] <cwillu> -nr tells it not to blank the screen when x starts, so that the splash screen stays running;  that probably won't work for you though, as I had to patch the omapfb driver and I don't think that change has made it into ubuntu yet
[13:24] <cwillu> yes, exactly
[13:24] <cwillu> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ is the next place you want to look
[13:25] <cwillu> startx will fire off those scripts in the actual x instance
[13:25] <Guest74477> That sounds like what I was doing wrong, Is the the command you send me to be saved as initrd?
[13:25] <cwillu> note that that includes starting a default window manager, whatever "x-window-manager" happens to link to
[13:25] <cwillu> :)
[13:25] <cwillu> no
[13:26] <Guest74477> initrd is the ramdisk *facepalm*
[13:26] <Guest74477> xinitrc?
[13:26] <cwillu> /etc/init/ is where upstart scripts go
[13:26] <Guest74477> ok
[13:26] <cwillu> I generally call it /etc/init/xorg.conf
[13:30] <cwillu> Guest74477, I'm tarring up a copy of my modules.d (customization to rootstock), which contains a bunch of things split out into systems
[13:30] <cwillu> you won't be able to use it directly really, but it'll give you starting points for configuration, and clues as to where that configuration might happen
[13:31] <cwillu> Guest74477, http://cwillu.com/files/modules.tgz
[13:31] <Guest74477> Thanks, I'll resd through them, which window manager and desktop do you use/
[13:31] <cwillu> er, hang on a sec
[13:31] <cwillu> not sure I did what I tjhought I did
[13:32] <cwillu> no desktop, just a bare firefox session with a full-screen-on-startup extension, and a simple window manager (not strictly necessary, but convenient)
[13:32] <Guest74477> You use Web apps?
[13:33] <cwillu> ya, I've been doing the ipad thing since before there was an ipad :p
[13:34] <Guest74477> Heh, all you needed to do was to build a device
[13:34] <cwillu> mainly, I find it a very convenient to quickly make ui's, with the added bonus that the application is network-aware for free
[13:34] <cwillu> I actually do industrial datacapture and similar
[13:34] <Guest74477> And easily portable, compatibilty with any os with a browser
[13:35] <cwillu> more or less
[13:35] <cwillu> really only care about firefox, but yes
[13:37] <cwillu> Guest74477, okay, download that link now
[13:37] <Guest74477> I'm just untarring now
[13:37] <cwillu> did you download it before?
[13:38] <Guest74477> Yes
[13:38] <cwillu> if so, you got a few megabytes of random firefox profile that you won't need :p
[13:38] <Guest74477> Same url for the new file?
[13:38] <cwillu> yes
[13:39] <cwillu> frontend is the ony you're probably most interested in
[13:39] <cwillu> although packages has the omap3 driver with -nr support
[13:40] <Guest74477> What about backend?
[13:40] <cwillu> that fires up the webserver;  not much to it though
[13:41] <cwillu> the actual server code is elsewhere
[13:41] <cwillu> (gets pulled in from git in a customized rootstock when it builds the image)
[13:41] <Guest74477> Ok, I just noticed it was /etc/init
[13:41] <cwillu> yep
[13:41] <cwillu> basically what you have there is the plumbing to get things running, without any of the actual guts
[13:42] <cwillu> i.e., the files in frontend/ are basically everything you'd need to change to get a program running under x
[13:42] <cwillu> in my case firefox, but it could be anything
[13:43] <cwillu> I use a separate init script for firefox itself so that it'll reopen if it dies or is closed, etc
[13:43] <cwillu> you could do it from in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ as well, but that just feels ugly to me
[13:44] <Guest74477> So where does xinitrc fit into this or is that for individual user sessions?
[13:44] <cwillu> I don't use an xinitrc
[13:44] <cwillu> what I gave you is an overlay
[13:44] <Guest74477> ok
[13:44] <cwillu> if you look at the contents of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ on an actual system, you'll see how all the usual hooks are implemented
[13:45] <Guest74477> Ill check on my own
[13:45] <cwillu> i.e., you should be able to look at your own desktop's /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[13:45] <cwillu> yep
[13:45] <cwillu> grep and find are your friends :)
[13:45] <Guest74477> Dont forget locate updatedb and whereis
[13:46] <Guest74477> And whatis
[13:46] <cwillu> for this task, grep and find are more important :p
[13:46] <cwillu> they're how you find out what you should be locating :)
[13:46] <Guest74477> I use grep anyway
[13:46] <Guest74477> :p
[13:46] <cwillu> also apropos and man
[13:46] <Guest74477> apropos?
[13:47] <cwillu> a better whatis
[13:47] <cwillu> it's a index for man pages
[13:47] <cwillu> so you can say apropos session, and look through the results to see what might be related to sessions
[13:48] <Guest74477> rootstock is unpacking now
[13:48] <cwillu> oh, a good speedup for rootstock:  set up apt-cacher, and use it for rootstock
[13:48] <Guest74477> Do it doesn't need to download?
[13:48] <Guest74477> so*
[13:49] <cwillu> it holds a cache of the downloads that happen through it, so that the next time you don't need to
[13:49] <cwillu> yep
[13:50] <Guest74477> Ill make a back up of the basic image for now :) If it works I'll probably use it then for distributing
[13:50] <Guest74477> I think adding touchscreen and wifi are going to be the worst things, but there's people I can ask
[13:50] <cwillu> pro-tip
[13:51] <cwillu> don't make an image that you distribute
[13:51] <cwillu> make a script to generate the image
[13:51] <cwillu> you'll save yourself alot of frustration
[13:51] <cwillu> any quick hack you make to an image should be folded into your script, and tested there
[13:51] <cwillu> otherwise you'll forget you made a change, or forget how you did it, etc
[13:52] <cwillu> wifi will be easy if the device is supported at all
[13:52] <cwillu> touchscreen probably as well
[13:52] <cwillu> just a matter of including the right drivers
[13:52] <Guest74477> There's kernel drivers and they work in Android
[13:53] <cwillu> so where's the problem? :p
[13:53] <Guest74477> I have the kernel and firmware files for both, but they arn't distrobutable, but there's scripts to get them
[13:53] <Guest74477> So the user will have to add them to the image anyway
[13:55] <cwillu> all the more reason to make a magic script that just builds the whole image :)
[13:55] <Guest74477> I've just been reading your blog, what's the pypy jit actually do :) , Is it just in time?
[13:57] <cwillu> that's what jit stands for
[13:58] <cwillu> pypy is actually a jit-generator + a python interpreter written in python (actually a subset of python)
[13:58] <cwillu> the jit-generator takes the python interpreter, and optimizes the hell out of it, such that they're actually faster than normal python in a few cases now
[14:01]  * cwillu considers updating his blog
[14:04] <Guest74477> In rootstock does update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for rlogin. meen that there's no arm port of rlogin?
[14:04] <cwillu> why in the name of schneier would you want rlogin!?
[14:05] <cwillu> and no, it just means you don't have an rlogin in your package list, which is a good thing
[14:05] <Guest74477> Im installing openssh with rootstock
[14:06] <cwillu> okay, I wouldn't worry about the error
[14:06] <cwillu> just checked, I get the same message;  it's not actually an error
[15:22] <Guest74477> lilstevie, ?
[15:30] <lilstevie> yes?
[15:30] <Guest74477> Its James
[15:30] <lilstevie> ah
[15:30] <Guest74477> Got it to boot yet?
[15:31] <lilstevie> im only around for a split second
[15:31] <Guest74477> ok
[15:32] <Guest74477> cwillu gave some good advice on booting to x


[08:21] <Kano> hi, could somebody fix the build problem of ndiswrapper?
[14:32] <mjung> Hi. I am having a lot of pain with my Intel HD2000 graphics in the Quantal stock kernel (3.5.0-22). Before start building a kernel.org vanilla kernel I wondered whether there are any repos that I should try first?
[15:14] <freedomrun> mjung, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:21] <penguin42> Seem to be having a bunch of people walking into crypto+CIFS oops - bug 1070256 - can't get any of them to give a full set of logs though
[21:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070256 in linux (Ubuntu) "mount.cifs occasionally causes GPF error/kernel panic when mounting at boot [crypto_larval_kill+0x2b/0x90]" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070256


[00:41] <mwhudson> "chdist apt devel source nvidia-cuda-toolkit" -> "Need to get 4,812 MB of source archives." -> YOU WHAT NOW
[01:03] <mwhudson> ginggs: you are in uploaders for nvidia-cuda-toolkit, do you know why it build-depends on libssl1.1?
[06:49] <mitya57> mwhudson: Of course
[06:50] <mitya57> I am asking you for a PR because I'm Qt 5 maintainer, but Qt 6 is maintained by different people, so I want them to review this change.
[08:34] <ginggs> mwhudson: nvidia-cuda-toolkit is mostly a bunch of binaries built by upstream, that's why it's in multiverse
[08:35] <ginggs> so the nsight-compute and nsight-systems binaries were built upstream against libssl1.1
[11:54] <ahasenack> morning
[14:37] <toabctl> bdmurray, hey. could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs-1/+merge/416390 please? this is relatively urgent to get some CPC builds working (and it needs to be backported to focal)


[00:07] <Sarvatt> broder: there's only been 2 kernel SRU's to natty so far and 2.6.38.x is dead so things need to be recommended manually, absolutely yes :)
[00:08] <broder> ok, cool. i'll try to learn how the process works and send off the patch :)
[07:38] <ppisati> morning *
[08:25] <apw> ppisati, morning
[08:34] <ppisati> looks like LP is down...
[08:35] <ppisati> ok, it's back
[08:36] <apw> ppisati, for maintenance ?
[08:36] <ppisati> no no
[08:36] <ppisati> just got the Oops page for some reload in a row
[08:36] <ppisati> now it's ok
[08:41] <apw> ppisati, ahh yes she does do that to annoy one
[08:44] <ppisati> they respun natty, or so it seems...
[08:45] <apw> respun ?
[08:46] <ppisati> yep
[08:46] <ppisati> respin
[08:50] <apw> do we know why this time ?
[08:51] <ppisati> just deleted the email, but there was a regression in a patch
[08:51] <ppisati> patch reverted and kernel respinned
[08:51] <ppisati> and thus all the derivative pkgs got a new tracking bug
[08:52] <apw> ahh nice
[09:49] <apw> ppisati, bah ... we didn't sign your key last week
[09:51] <ppisati> apw: want it now? :)
[09:51] <apw> bah humbug
[09:52] <apw> ppisati, didn't realise you were signing the tags too ... we must remember to do it the next time we are together
[09:52] <ppisati> k
[12:34] <sladen> ogasawara et al: bug #834725 - are we short of a kernel interface that powertop needs?
[12:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 834725 in powertop "Powertop fails to report number of wakeups/events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834725
[13:06] <ogasawara> sladen: I'm unaware of anything off the top of my head, we' have to investigate further
[14:05] <bjf> ##
[14:05] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:05] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[14:05] <bjf> ##
[14:11] <ppisati> herton: natty has been respinned, but natty/ti-omap4 doesn't depend on natty/master thus i'm invalidating the tracking bug
[14:11] <herton> ppisati: ok
[14:12] <ppisati> herton: not so fast: http://paste.ubuntu.com/688351/
[14:14] <herton> ppisati: hmm I didn't run the script for a while, may be something changed in lpltk. Are you running with the latest python-launchpadlib-toolkit from arsenal-devel ppa?
[14:22] <ppisati> herton: actually i was running the vanilla py-lpltk
[14:34] <herton> ppisati: the vanilla should not work, does it work updating to latest python-launchpadlib-toolkit? (# apt-add-repository ppa:arsenal-devel/ppa; apt-get update; apt-get install python-launchpadlib-toolkit
[14:39] <herton> ppisati: I'm going to lunch, let me know if it doesn't work
[14:39]  * herton -> lunch
[14:48]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:52] <ppisati> herton: worked fine, thanks
[14:52] <ppisati> for the kernel irc meeting: arm status -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/688380/
[14:53] <apw> ppisati, not going to be around to deliver it ?
[14:53] <apw> bjf, ^^
[14:54] <bjf> apw, no one cares about arm
[14:54] <bjf> :-P
[14:55] <ppisati> :)
[14:55] <ppisati> luckily no ones care about arm... :)
[14:55] <ppisati> sent an email on the k-t m-l
[15:18] <ppisati>  /quit
[15:32] <jjohansen> ogasawara, apw, tgardner: so I have been looking at CONFIG_DYNAMIC_DEBUG (last of the work items) and I don't see a reason to enable it on production systems.  It requires debugfs be mounted and then you can dynamically enable/disable per call site, code that used pr_debug()/dev_dbg().
[15:32] <jjohansen> Its okay for debugging when you insert extra debug code using these or the bug is near code already there using those.  So I am recommending it as another debug tool when building debug kernels, but don't see the point on enabling it on production systems.
[15:32] <jjohansen> ogasawara: I will close off the work item
[15:33] <ogasawara> jjohansen: ack, thanks.
[15:33] <apw> jjohansen, sounds good, just note that in the spec in the results section
[15:33] <jjohansen> apw: ack
[15:40] <tyhicks> jjohansen: Take this with a grain of salt, but I thought that dynamic debug was now the preferred way to log debug messages as opposed to each subsystem having their own one-off way of logging debug messages?
[15:41] <tyhicks> jjohansen: For example, eCryptfs is way too verbose for a filesystem, but what is dumped out to syslog is a great help for me to triage bug reports
[15:42] <jjohansen> tyhicks: hrmm right
[15:42] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I was hoping to switch everything over to dynamic debug at some point so that a user can flip the switch when they hit problems and get me useful debug messages
[15:43] <jjohansen> tyhicks: I look some more, I am not opposed to having it on.  I'll look some more at what subsystems are using it.
[15:45] <tyhicks> jjohansen: Good idea - maybe no one is using it. I don't care one way or the other, at this point, since eCryptfs doesn't currently use it
[16:00] <bjf> ##
[16:00] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in one hour
[16:00] <bjf> ##
[16:14] <bjf> apw, did you ship the box ? :-)
[16:15] <apw> should be going in the morning
[16:15] <apw> i am sick of it filling up my hall ...
[16:38] <jjohansen> rebooting
[16:54] <bjf> ##
[16:54] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 7 minutes
[16:54] <bjf> ##
[17:04] <jjohansen> ogasawara: I have an ecryptfs patch upstream I would like to squeeze into today if possible
[17:04] <ogasawara> jjohansen: sure, send it to the list asap.
[17:04] <jjohansen> ogasawara: ack
[17:04] <kirkland> jjohansen: cool, which one?  trailing garbage?
[17:04] <ogasawara> jjohansen: I plan on uploading this afternoon
[17:05] <kirkland> ogasawara: missed you in Santa Rosa last week -- running trail by hotel and weather were both exceptional!
[17:05] <jjohansen> kirkland: uhm can't remember but I think so.  I cherry-picked it last week but didn't get to testing it
[17:05] <kirkland> jjohansen: k
[17:05] <ogasawara> kirkland: I think I would have died :)  I literally haven't ran for over a year now.
[17:06] <kirkland> ogasawara: wow!  no kidding!  I did eight miles, from the hotel into a bunch of vineyards, and back, 59F (which is over 40 degrees cooler than here right now)!
[17:07]  * ogasawara decides to break out the running shoes today
[17:08] <apw> sconklin, all those !verified reversions, is there someone needing a kick on those?  or is it just many people
[17:09] <sconklin> it's many people, and a number of reasons. I'd have to look but I think the most common is "I've found a workaround, and although I have a reproducer and reported it, I have no interest in helping you"
[17:09] <kirkland> ogasawara: i'm early, but on track and signed up for the next Austin Marathon
[17:09] <apw> sconklin, shame we can't apply a patch to stop their work around working too
[17:09] <sconklin> there's also some "I told you it fixes the problem when it was a one-off patch applied for a test, I see no need to test your -proposed kernel"
[17:10] <sconklin> and a lot of just never getting a response at all to the calls for testing
[17:10] <sconklin> it's all in the bugs which were linked
[17:11] <apw> sconklin, welll lets hope discovering we arn't going to fix it if they ignore it will shake them up
[17:11] <sconklin> The ecryptfs and nouveau ones were especially annoying. The ecryptfs one got pulled from 2 or 3 kernels
[17:11] <apw> sconklin, that sounds like the one jjohansen is trying to put into oneiric
[17:12] <sconklin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+bug/509180
[17:12] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 509180 in ecryptfs "ecryptfs sometimes seems to add trailing garbage to encrypted files" [High,Fix released]
[17:12] <apw> jjohansen, ^^ is that the one you are talking about ?
[17:13] <jjohansen> apw: checking
[17:14] <jjohansen> apw: no https://bugs.launchpad.net/ecryptfs/+bug/816387
[17:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 816387 in ecryptfs "ecryptfs kernel panic when rebooting/shutdown" [High,Fix released]
[17:15] <apw> so it sounds like kirkland was intereested in the ones we've just reverted for lack of testing
[17:15] <jjohansen> I did look briefly at 509180 and that is why I wasn't sure
[17:16] <broder> newbie question - where is the natty kernel in the sru cadence right now?
[17:16] <jjohansen> rebooting
[17:18] <apw> broder, i think that was jut reported on #ubuntu-meeting
[17:19] <broder> apw: oh, ok. i think i see it, thanks
[17:19] <apw> broder, and i think it is 'unverified fixes now reverted, awaiting QA before release'
[17:19] <sconklin> broder, this is a good place to look any time http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:20]  * broder awesome. that is very helpful
[17:22] <apw> Phase:  CopyToUpdates
[17:22] <apw> Tags:  certification-testing-passed, kernel-release-tracking-bug, lucid, qa-testing-passed, verification-failed
[17:22] <apw> that doesn't seem to make much sense for the lucid one, given copy to * are invalid too
[17:23] <apw> sconklin, herton ^^
[17:23] <sconklin> That's because it was stopped at the last minute from being published due to the i915 regression
[17:24] <sconklin> The "Phase" still reflects the phase it was stopped in
[17:24] <apw> perhaps shank should say "Unknown (was XXX)" when it sees Incomplete
[17:25] <kirkland> apw: was it a lack of testing, or was the patch clearly shown to cause regressions or not fix the issue?
[17:25] <sconklin> those represent some well defined states, and it is going to take some deeper discussion before changing them
[17:25] <apw> kirkland, lack of testing i think was the report ... sconklin the ecryptfs patch reversion was !tested right
[17:26] <sconklin> lack of testing
[17:31] <kirkland> apw: sconklin: who has that responsibility?  the community?
[17:31] <sconklin> kirkland: generally the reporter, or whoever cares
[17:32] <kirkland> sconklin: hmm, okay
[17:32] <jjohansen> kirkland: reporter, community or someone who is interested and can reproduce.
[17:32] <kirkland> jjohansen: okay, thanks
[18:30] <salty-horse> hi. anyone around? looking at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelOneiricUbuntuDeltaReview> I see the section about fsam7400 and a consideration for dropping it. there's another, more recent implementation called fsaa1655g: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1530962
[18:30] <salty-horse> what does it take to include it by default?
[18:59] <ogasawara> salty-horse: the best way to have it included by default is to get the driver included upstream.  I'm not in favor of carrying an out of tree driver, especially one which looks like it was last touched in 2006.
[19:00] <salty-horse> ogasawara, the one i linked seems to be from 2010
[19:00] <salty-horse> upstream == debian?
[19:01] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/703180 any chance this could be fixed before final?
[19:01] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 703180 in linux "SD card reader doesn't work on new Dell XPS" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:01] <ogasawara> salty-horse: by upstream I mean the upstream linux kernel
[19:02] <salty-horse> hmm.. well I have nothing to do with that project, and I'm not a kernel hacker. it does seem to prevent me and others from having a functioning machine
[19:03] <ogasawara> salty-horse: might be best to get in touch with the driver maintainer and ask if they'd work to get the driver upstream
[19:04] <salty-horse> emailing
[19:08] <ogasawara> jjohansen: how's that ecryptfs patch coming?
[19:08] <jjohansen> ogasawara: give me 15 min, I am just compile testing
[19:09] <ogasawara> jjohansen: ack
[19:14] <dupondje> ogasawara: don't know if you could check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/703180 and maby put priority or so? Cause alot of people seem to hit this bug :)
[19:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 703180 in linux "SD card reader doesn't work on new Dell XPS" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:23] <jjohansen> ogasawara: heh, go turns out my tree was a couple few days out of date, the patch is already in
[19:23] <ogasawara> jjohansen: heh, cool works for me.
[19:24] <ogasawara> dupondje: I'll take a look and triage that bug in a bit.  gotta get a kernel out the door first.
[19:26] <dupondje> thx :)
[19:40]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:49] <kees> apw: woooo, run your merge & export, loooooots of CVEs closed now that the arms published :)


[03:55] <entreri> hey guys, regularly I see desktop icons flying around all over the screen, in a secnd they appear and disapppear
[03:55] <holstein> entreri: they dont for me.. are you using stock lubuntu 13.10?
[03:57] <entreri> yes, I'm not sure why but it's really buggy for me. When I install an app from Software Center, icons on the desktop disappear and normal "right-click" menu crashes, I can only see the menu from Openbox
[03:57] <entreri> then there are icons flying around like I said, they disappear and reappear...
[03:57] <holstein> entreri: sounds to me like graphics card driver issues
[03:57] <holstein> !nomodeset
[03:58] <holstein> ^ you can try this from a live CD.. or look for a proprietary driver that might be more appropriate for you device, if its an nvidia or ati
[03:58] <holstein> !ati
[03:58] <entreri> it doesn't do that on other *buntus or linuxmint
[03:59] <holstein> entreri: mint might have the drivers i mention installed or available by default.. and the main ubuntu might prompt you
[04:00] <holstein> entreri: you have tried "nomodeset" from a lubuntu live CD? have you looked for any additional drivers and insatlled them?
[04:00] <entreri> no, because my Acer netbook have an integrated Intwl graphics card that should work by default with linux, usually
[04:01] <holstein> entreri: so, you havent tried the "nomodeset" with a live CD?
[04:01] <holstein> entreri: are you not interested in trying that suggestion?
[04:02] <entreri> holstein: yes if it doesn't require a reinstall
[04:02] <holstein> entreri: i didnt say, nor mean to imply a reinstall
[04:02] <holstein> entreri: the link i gave states how to try "nomodeset" from a live CD
[04:02] <entreri> can I do it without a live CD/USB, live ?
[04:03] <holstein> entreri: i would first look for, and apply all upgrades.. then, i would consider installing whatever OS is working for you easily , and just add lxde or lubuntudekstop
[04:04] <entreri> holstein: Also, the texts in Chromium's tabs doesn't show up, only the icons... not sure if all this is related
[04:06] <holstein> entreri: i can only suggest ways to troubleshoot to determine if that is related or not
[04:10] <holstein> entreri: when you say other ubuntu's worked, were they all the same version? 13.10 for example?
[04:10] <holstein> lubuntu *is* ubuntu, and will have the same access to the same software and the same kernel with very similar hardware configuration support out of the box
[04:10] <entreri> I think it's only lxde that is my problem
[04:11] <holstein> if you have a situtation where ubuntu 12.04 worked and lubuntu 13.10 doesnt, its likely more to do with the kernel versions between 12.04 and 13.10 for example that lxde
[04:11] <holstein> entreri: install another DE and confirm that
[04:11] <holstein> entreri: install xfce and test
[04:12] <entreri> not sure if it would not just be better downloader xubuntu ?
[04:12] <entreri> downloading*
[04:12] <holstein> entreri: it would be the same
[04:12] <holstein> entreri: lubuntu *is* ubuntu with lxde.. xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce
[04:12] <holstein> entreri: if you want to test if it is lxde that is the issue, you can install something other than lxde and test
[04:12] <holstein> entreri: if you want to download xubntu and use it, go for it
[13:11] <codeur> what to do if don't find a software in the applications after installing it
[13:12] <codeur> on lubuntu
[13:16] <Callaghan> codeur, is it in /usr/share/applications?
[13:17] <codeur> checking
[13:18] <codeur> Callaghan, it is not in the "local/share"
[13:18] <codeur> btw don't find the "user" folder
[13:19] <Callaghan> codeur, I think you are in the wrong place, click on the Menu, select "Run" and enter "pcmanfm /usr/share/applications" without the quotes, then click ok
[13:20] <Callaghan> you should see a list of shortcuts to applications
[13:20] <codeur> okay
[13:20] <codeur> chalcedny, is there a space between  "pcmanfm /usr/" ?
[13:21] <codeur> is there a space after pcmanfm
[13:21] <Callaghan> yes
[13:22] <codeur> I don't see it there as well :(
[13:22] <Callaghan> ok, that explains why it doesn't show up in the menu
[13:23] <codeur> but I find it installed at syneptic
[13:23] <Callaghan> can you share the name of the application?
[13:23] <codeur> sure
[13:23] <codeur> yoono-desktop-1.8.43.tar.bz2
[13:23] <codeur> I converted it to .dep
[13:23] <codeur> .deb*
[13:24] <codeur> then installed it
[13:24] <codeur> btw my lubuntu is not upgraded to 13.10 from 13.04
[13:24] <Callaghan> oh, if you installed the application from source, then I am not sure if there is an entry in /usr/share/applications.
[13:25] <Callaghan> you can try to launch the application from the command line, if that works we can create a shortcut by hand
[13:25] <codeur> how to lunch an application from terminal?
[13:25] <Callaghan> Are you familiar with the command line?
[13:25] <codeur> I'm familiar with terminal but
[13:25] <codeur> I don't know how to run an application from there
[13:26] <Callaghan> In the command line, enter yoono and press enter :)
[13:26] <codeur> ahh btw I already tried it :P
[13:26] <codeur> doesn't work
[13:26] <Callaghan> or if that doesn't work, try entering yoo and pressing Tab twice
[13:26] <codeur> I even tried "yonoo-desktop"
[13:26] <codeur> on terminal
[13:27] <Callaghan> It could be installed in a place where the system doesn't find it :/
[13:27] <codeur> nothing happens :(
[13:27] <codeur> it seems so :-/
[13:28] <codeur> thanks a lot for your help anyway :)
[13:28] <Callaghan> let me check something out
[13:28] <codeur> okay :)
[13:31] <Callaghan> ok, let's try something different
[13:31] <Callaghan> do you still have the .tar.bz2 file?
[13:31] <codeur> yes I have it
[13:31] <Callaghan> open the terminal and go to the directory where the file is
[13:32] <codeur> actually it is on the home folder
[13:32] <codeur> do not need to change directory for it
[13:32] <Callaghan> alright
[13:32] <Callaghan> extract the file with this command:
[13:32] <Callaghan> tar xvjf yoono-?????.tar.bz2
[13:32] <Callaghan> just enter tar xvjf yoo and press Tab
[13:33] <Callaghan> the file will be detected automatically
[13:33] <codeur> did :)
[13:33] <Callaghan> ok, now you should have a directory called yoono-desktop
[13:33] <codeur> I think it is extracted
[13:33] <Callaghan> execute: cd yoono-desktop
[13:33] <codeur> yeah right
[13:34] <codeur> then?
[13:34] <Callaghan> and in that new directory, execute the following command (notice the ./):
[13:34] <Callaghan> ./yoono-desktop
[13:34] <codeur> it is now: NF108-NF208:~/yoono-desktop$
[13:34] <Callaghan> that's exactly  where we want to be
[13:35] <Callaghan> did it work? :)
[13:35] <codeur> a window appears
[13:36] <Callaghan> yes, that is yoono
[13:36] <codeur> yessss!
[13:36] <codeur> :D
[13:36] <codeur> awesome
[13:36] <Callaghan> alright, in the future, you can just start the file manager, go into the yoono-desktop directory and double-click yoono-desktop
[13:36] <codeur> is it installed?!
[13:37] <Callaghan> no, it's like a portable app, you launch it from this directory
[13:37] <Callaghan> no need to install
[13:37] <codeur> ahh okay
[13:37] <codeur> thanks a loooot for your help mate :)
[13:37] <Callaghan> no problem :)
[13:37] <Callaghan> have fun
[13:38] <codeur> hahaha
[13:38] <codeur> let's see
[14:33] <cousteau> does the lubuntu desktop 64b 13.10 image fit in a CD?    Does the installer make 3 partitions for /, /home, and swap?  Or do I have to do that manually?
[17:42] <bioterror> cousteau, manually


[15:24] <andrejz> Hello! I was wondering whether an update of packages is planned for 11.04?
[15:26] <andrejz> We have done a lot of work translating both kubuntu and ubuntu-docs packages in the last 2 weeks and would be really happy if they were available to users in 11.04


[02:18] <maxb> Does anyone know where, if anywhere, Unity should expose a menu set up in an app via gtk_application_set_app_menu ?
[02:19] <maxb> Totem appears to be missing some fairly important menu items like 'Preferences', and it would seem this menu just isn't accessible anywhere
[02:22] <maxb> Sure enough the missing menu is visible in a GNOME Fallback session
[02:24] <maxb> Although weirdly - the window ends up with two menu bars stacked one above the other, with the top one containing only a single 'Videos' menu
[02:29] <maxb> Ah, I've eventually come to realize this is 1131754


[11:45] <Kano> hi, did somebody reset the karmic git?
[11:45] <Kano> last change	Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:56:52 +0000
[12:27] <Kano> apw: did you set karmic master to wrong branch?
[12:31] <Kano> could somebody fix it?
[17:35] <Kano> hi apw, could you fix the karmic git head? it points to something really old
[19:23] <okayzed> has anyone been following IMA development?


[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[12:57] <lxp> hi
[12:57] <lxp> can someone please review the patch i have attached to bug #537133 mountall issues with NFS root filesystem (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/537133)?
[12:57] <ubot4> lxp: Bug 537133 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/537133 is private
[12:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 537133 in portmap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "mountall issues with NFS root filesystem (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 78)" [Medium,Fix released]


[00:14] <xavier_31> Hello. First connexion on the IRC. Just a question about Oneiric (Kubuntu 11.10 alpha 1). Is there a medibuntu repository for Oneric soon or is there a change for medibuntu packages? Thanks for your answers. Xavier
[00:16] <coz_> xavier_31,  probably not unitl or close to release
[00:39] <BluesKaj> !ffmpeg
[00:40] <BluesKaj> !info ffmpeg
[08:57] <trijntje_oneiric> Hi all, gconf-editor is very empty (after I've installed it). Has its functionality been moved somewhere else?
[09:20] <bazhang> !find gconf-editor
[09:22] <trijntje_oneiric> I have to go now, maybe it will get some more options with updates
[10:03] <IdleOne> interesting. I now have Unity launcher/top panel but I also have a bottom panel
[13:36] <elros> is network-manager still having problems?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[16:45] <Ian_Corne> elros: yes
[19:55] <wilfredor> Hi
[19:55] <wilfredor> I am over Oneiric
[19:55] <wilfredor> and I have severals bugs
[19:55] <wilfredor> basicly I cant to see the menu applitations
[19:56] <wilfredor> The Ubuntu button in top left screen not work
[19:56] <wilfredor> my right mouse button not work
[19:58] <wilfredor> My pc is a HP pavillion dv7
[20:05] <wilfredor> thanks for nothing
[20:31] <CarlFK> system settings, user accounts, Automatic Login: yes
[20:31] <CarlFK> but I didn't get logged in.
[20:32] <zicada> file a bugreport
[20:33] <CarlFK> zicada: k - any idea what package?
[20:34] <yofel> whatever is the login manager right now, gdm or lightdm, not sure
[20:34] <yofel> or maybe the settings set it for gdm and lightdm ignores that
[20:35] <CarlFK> so ideally I want to set it via a script.  any idea where the gui stores it, and where the managers are looking?
[20:36] <CarlFK> that would make the bug report way more clear too
[20:41] <BUGabundo> evening
[20:44] <BluesKaj> afternoon
[20:44] <cpatrick08> afternoon
[20:46] <BUGabundo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=539365
[20:46] <BUGabundo> have you guys tried that?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> seems to lower my cpu fan
[20:46] <BUGabundo> but still very hot
[20:54] <charlie-tca> gdm uses /etc/gdm/custom.conf to store the settings, but lightdm seems to use /etc/lightdm.conf to set things.
[20:56] <charlie-tca> but I am not sure if lightdm will use /etc/lightdm.conf as user settings only.
[21:03] <CarlFK> charlie-tca: thanks, gives me something to dig into
[21:07] <charlie-tca> CarlFK: if you decide to play with lightdm settings, make sure you can get to grub menu, sometimes you need to use recovery mode to get to root to change it back
[21:07] <CarlFK> swell :)
[21:25] <CarlFK>  http://dpaste.de/r8G6/  /etc/lightdm.conf   default-user=juser; default-user-timeout=0;    still no auto-login
[21:27] <CarlFK> "good" [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loaded configuration from /etc/lightdm.conf
[21:27] <CarlFK>
[21:30] <charlie-tca> It could be part of the app that is still being worked
[21:30] <CarlFK> service lightdm restart - stopped it, then launched X, but all I have is the little x cursor.
[21:30] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I had no X for 2 days
[21:31] <BUGabundo> how awesome is that?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> hd
[21:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:32] <charlie-tca> it is a very good alpha, isn't it. Got enough bugs already to make a good release when it happens.
[21:32] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:32] <BUGabundo> I must file the one with NM
[21:32] <BUGabundo> :\
[21:33] <elros> just enough bugs to keep you excited at every boot
[21:33] <BUGabundo> been buglazt
[21:33] <charlie-tca> lol
[21:33] <charlie-tca> gonna be a really good time this cycle
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I feel like this http://acidcow.com/pics/20110526/acid_picdump_40.jpg
[21:33] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: TOOO MUCH to finish
[21:33] <BUGabundo> we all know 04 was a intermediate step
[21:34] <BUGabundo> and .10 will only be at 85%, 90% at best
[21:34] <charlie-tca> yes, and now adding lightdm just made things jump a bit
[21:34] <BUGabundo> and then 12.x will restart all over
[21:34] <yofel> oh, linux-image-3.0.0-generic is up :)
[21:34] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I agree
[21:34] <yofel> er, 3.0-0
[21:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: you taunt us
[21:35] <yofel> :P
[21:35] <charlie-tca> I just got this working again. Now 3.0 comes along?
[21:35] <trism> CarlFK: service restart won't work for lightdm at the moment, that x session with the X cursor is from the previous session, a side-effect of fixing the crashing that started when glib was updated
[21:35] <CarlFK> trism: k.  is reboot the sane way to get back to the login?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> aah
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ahah
[21:36] <trism> CarlFK: if you kill that X session, you can start lightdm again (so no reboot needed)
[21:37] <elros> I got really tired of the random bugs, losing sound was the last straw, now back with natty
[21:37] <BUGabundo> sound is fine here
[21:37] <elros> gj team for that release
[21:37] <charlie-tca> I lost sound for a couple of days, but that came back
[21:37] <elros> oh, damn
[21:37] <charlie-tca> now to get the path working again
[21:37] <elros> should have waited out :/
[21:38] <BUGabundo> ahh path is broken
[21:38] <BUGabundo> that one had me scratting my head
[21:38] <charlie-tca> yeah, only some apps will start now? It seems like I can start mine in terminal, though.
[21:39] <BUGabundo> I do need startup
[21:39] <BUGabundo> want to put guake in there
[21:39] <BUGabundo> and really really need my gnome bars to work again
[21:39] <charlie-tca> at least, I can start some of them in terminal
[21:39] <BUGabundo> can't add or move applets
[21:39] <BUGabundo> "nautilus ." aint working
[21:41] <BUGabundo> anyone else having first typed key presses failing ?
[21:42] <rww> So why is it that I generally find Kubuntu alphas less buggy than Ubuntu alphas ;P?
[21:42] <yofel> rww: we didn't have time to break oneiric yet :P
[21:42] <charlie-tca> but it is coming, right?
[21:43] <yofel> well yeah, if we ever get 4.7 packaged...
[21:47] <elros> you can't make a release without breaking some packages
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> lol anuone saw that wilfredor guy? :p
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> yofel: where did you get it?
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> I didn't get it in my updates yet :(
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> unless you are running the proposed updates..
[21:55] <yofel> 3.0? The meta packages aren't updated yet, but it's in the archive
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> ah :)
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> I see
[21:56] <BUGabundo> FYI http://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linux
[21:58] <BUGabundo> anyone tracking this? http://insight.pinkonbrown.org/syspeek-a-simple-indicator-monitor
[21:58] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: new stable release of lessfs
[21:58] <BUGabundo> time to upgrade your ppa :)
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I have to throw it on a VM
[21:59] <bjsnider> yeah, that's going to happen
[21:59] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:59] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[21:59] <BUGabundo> then at least remove them
[21:59] <BUGabundo> they are indexed by google
[21:59] <BUGabundo> like 3rd link
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I just did a ctrl+shift+T on gedit :S
[22:09] <Ian_Corne> :D
[22:11] <Ian_Corne> why would you not updat bjsnider ?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> CBA
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> :D
[22:12] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is there a debian package yet or do i have to phony one up from nowhere?
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> phony? :D
[22:12] <BUGabundo> source all the way
[22:12] <BUGabundo> let me check
[22:13] <BUGabundo> they branched last week lessfs2
[22:13] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:13] <BUGabundo> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lessfs/files/lessfs/Lessfs-1.4.8/
[22:13] <BUGabundo> just gz in there
[22:16] <bjsnider> there was a package in july so i can use that
[22:17] <BUGabundo> I can't believe fedore will default to BTRFS
[22:17] <BUGabundo> those guys are a tinny bit crazy
[22:18] <BUGabundo> I just got rid of it on my system :\
[22:19] <bjsnider> they can't do that without a working btrfsck
[22:19] <BUGabundo> oh but they will
[22:19] <BUGabundo> announced yesterday
[22:19] <bjsnider> i asked in that channel this week and they said it wasn't close to being done
[22:19] <BUGabundo> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-16-with-Btrfs-as-standard-file-system-1257844.html
[22:19] <BUGabundo> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F16BtrfsDefaultFs
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Targeted release: Fedora 16
[22:21] <elros> Choosing Gnome 3.0 was a bit of a gamble
[22:21] <elros> maybe they like being a little crazy, livin on the edge
[22:21] <Ian_Corne> maybe
[22:22] <BUGabundo> and me thinking we were the crazy ones
[22:22] <elros> are there other released distros with gnome 3.0 as default?
[22:23] <elros> F15 is the only one that comes to mind
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> is it in arch yet?
[22:23] <Ian_Corne> I suppose it should?
[22:24] <elros> if you're committed to apt, you can install debian sid and stay near the edge constantly
[22:34] <rww> yes, it's in Arch.
[22:38] <elros> Fedora has managed to bet well, Gnome 3.0 is decent
[22:40] <elros> I still prefer older ui, but gnome 3 is workable
[23:19] <CarlFK> sound was working. i rebooted.  now I have no sound.
[23:20] <CarlFK> root@kasp:~# /usr/bin/sox -n -d synth .1 sin 500;  ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'
[23:24] <BUGabundo> what podcast player do you guys use?
[23:25] <trism> I use gpodder, although it only downloads them
[23:25] <BUGabundo> works with me
[23:25] <BUGabundo> if it parses flash
[23:26] <trism> have an example feed? I can test it
[23:26] <BUGabundo> sec
[23:26] <BUGabundo> http://www.rtp.pt/multimediahtml/video/ultimo-a-sair/2011-05-08
[23:41] <trism> I don't see a feed there, the videocast feeds in the podcast/downloads link at the top work though (sort of)
[23:44] <trism> they download, but I can't play them with vlc from inside gpodder, I don't think it likes the path, they play from the command line though
[23:46] <BUGabundo> oh cool
[23:47] <trism> oh, it works if you rename the feed, it must not have liked some characters in the url it used by default
[23:50] <BUGabundo> oh!
[23:52] <BUGabundo> trism: trying it now
[23:52] <BUGabundo> http://www.rtp.pt/multimediahtml/video/ultimo-a-sair/: unknown feed type :(


[03:32] <gantrixx> I'm having trouble booting from the img on my USB thumb drive.  It says "No bootable partition in table".  I'm trying to install UNR
[05:32] <adem33111> hi


[01:13] <hazmat> wtf oracle branding solaris 11 as the first cloud os..
[01:13] <hazmat> crack marketing.. cloud this, cloud that
[01:30] <hazmat> cloud linux.. http://bellard.org/jslinux/ ;-)
[01:32] <SpamapS> hahaha
[12:47] <hazmat> g'morning
[13:04] <rog> hazmat: yo
[13:08] <hazmat> greetings rog
[14:04] <fwereade> hazmat, should we now be marking bugs "fix committed" rather than "fix released"?
[14:04] <hazmat> fwereade, good question
[14:04] <fwereade> hazmat, heh :)
[14:05] <hazmat> fwereade, i'm unsure.. it probably does make sense, but such usage would mean realigning milestones to releases
[14:05] <fwereade> hazmat, and plausibly tweaking the kanban board
[14:06] <hazmat> fwereade, i was thinking we could have a team meeting today to try and catch up post sprint and that could be a topic of discussion
[14:06] <hazmat> fwereade, i'm already on that one ;-)
[14:06] <fwereade> hazmat, ah, cool :)
[14:06] <hazmat> fwereade, although its more just a new dyanmic readonly lp frontend for juju.. its turning out to be significantly more work than the charm browser
[14:06] <fwereade> hazmat, sounds good, I can be around this evening
[14:07] <fwereade> hazmat, heh :)
[14:07] <hazmat> fwereade, great
[14:07] <hazmat> silly pure rest api
[14:15]  * niemeyer waves
[14:15] <niemeyer> I've pointed out I'd be late today earlier, now I noticed I was disconnected.. duh
[14:19] <hazmat> niemeyer, greetings
[14:19]  * hazmat ponders puppet
[14:38] <hazmat> fwereade, is 6pm local okay for you re meeting?
[14:55] <fwereade> hazmat, sure
[15:11] <fwereade> hazmat, you marked https://code.launchpad.net/~fwereade/juju/visible-instance-state/+merge/79215 as "needs fixing" a while ago
[15:11] <fwereade> hazmat, did I address your concerns?
[15:21] <hazmat> fwereade, i'll take a look again in a few, i think so.. i backed away from shared state vocabulary
[15:22]  * hazmat feels like its been all email and reviews the last few days, the code itch builds
[15:34] <jimbaker> hazmat, fwereade, team meeting sounds like a good idea today
[15:52]  * SpamapS imagines a little code-hungry bug inside hazmat chewing on the base of his spine
[16:00] <niemeyer> fwereade: Is visible-instance-state touching the format of the status output?
[16:10] <bloodearnest> hey juju-istas :)
[16:10] <bloodearnest>  if I wanted to poke/signal a service (e.g. force a manual reload), whats the best way to to it? config-changed and a dummy config value?
[16:15] <SpamapS> bloodearnest: right now yes, though I'm thinking there needs to be a "refresh everything" command
[16:16] <bloodearnest> SpamapS: kthx. I think a generic "signal" and "handle-signal" or hook (or similar) would be nice
[16:17] <SpamapS> bloodearnest: custom hooks have been discussed as well
[16:17] <bloodearnest> SpamapS: cool. I'll go with config-changed for now. Is there any way to get what the old config value was for a particular field?
[16:19] <SpamapS> bloodearnest: no, I think there's an open bug for that
[16:19] <bloodearnest> SpamapS: kthx
[16:32] <hazmat> bloodearnest, if you want the old value the hook should store it
[16:32] <hazmat> and diff to the new
[16:33] <bloodearnest> hazmat: of course - I will do that :)
[16:38] <SpamapS> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/84857743/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.juju_0.5%2Bbzr413-1juju1%7Eprecise1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:40] <SpamapS> looks like juju is broken on precise.. fine on oneiric and natty
[16:49] <hazmat> SpamapS, it looks like a conflict between builtin argparse vs a packaged argparse
[16:50] <hazmat> odd that it only shows up only those on tests, but i guess those tests stuff the python path and launch a process
[16:57] <bcsaller> hazmat: they had updated some strings in the last update of argparse breaking tests as well
[16:58] <jimbaker> bcsaller, doesn't look like the issue here however
[17:00] <jimbaker> (simply some sort of conflict on the python-argparse package for one of our dependent packages, vs the argparse we use anyway)
[17:08] <fwereade> hazmat, meeting time?
[17:08] <hazmat> fwereade, indeed
[17:09] <hazmat> niemeyer, jimbaker, bcsaller, SpamapS ... meeting time.. anyone else?
[17:09] <niemeyer> t+10
[17:09] <jimbaker> hazmat, niemeyer, sounds good
[17:10] <jimbaker> rog is also waiting, and i'm sure fwereade is interested
[17:11] <hazmat> invites out
[17:12] <bcsaller> its giving me a little trouble connecting, trying again
[17:13] <hazmat> bcsaller, sending a new invite..
[17:14] <bcsaller> might be faster to just relog, the camera and so on doesn't seem to be working
[17:14] <hazmat> bcsaller, it was sort of like you joined and immediately dropped
[17:14] <hazmat> SpamapS, robbiew invites out to you guys as well if your interested
[17:16] <hazmat> http://www.reviewboard.org/
[17:21] <SpamapS> hazmat: "I'm not supposed to be here today" ;)
[17:21] <SpamapS> maybe plan the next meeting more than 24 hours in advance? ;)
[17:22] <bcsaller> things are in a surprisingly horrible state of decay here
[17:22] <bcsaller> trying to fix
[17:31] <hazmat> bcsaller, perhaps try a different browser
[17:32] <bcsaller> hazmat: its far worse than that that at this point, anything with GL won't run now, so unity borked. I tried 2d, etc, its not working at all, I have an empty desktop here, but am still trying to connect again
[17:33] <bcsaller> I think its crashing the googletalk plugin too though
[17:34] <bcsaller> everything was fine yesterday, I so don't need this
[17:35] <hazmat> bcsaller, did a reboot help? sounds like  a driver problem
[17:36] <bcsaller> no, it didn't
[17:36] <bcsaller> going to see if I can load an older kernel
[17:37] <hazmat> SpamapS, sounds good
[18:35] <niemeyer> 1) The requirement is to put things in the same container
[18:35] <niemeyer> 2) We use relations so the admin doesn't need a different mental model to create slaves
[18:35] <niemeyer> 3) We introduced the idea of juju-info relation so that we don't need the strange idea of promiscuous relations
[18:35] <niemeyer> (copied here so I have in logs.. this is the shortest explanation I could come up with, so want to save.. ;)
[18:38] <fwereade> cheers all, later
[18:44] <hazmat> failure
[18:45] <bcsaller> hazmat: re-invited
[19:04] <hazmat> bcsaller, thanks
[19:54] <niemeyer> hazmat: wtf seems to be fine, btw
[20:07]  * niemeyer steps out for a while
[20:21] <nuclearbob> greetings everyone, I'm trying to setup juju using the local/lxc environment, and I'm getting errors when I try to deploy a charm
[20:23] <evan_> nuclearbob: what error are you getting?
[20:23] <nuclearbob> evan_: if I try to deploy the wordpress charm, I get:
[20:23] <nuclearbob> max@WOPR:~$ juju deploy --repository=charms wordpress
[20:23] <nuclearbob> User timeout caused connection failure.
[20:23] <nuclearbob> 2011-11-10 15:20:22,539 ERROR User timeout caused connection failure.
[20:25] <evan_> Do you have the charms on your local machine?
[20:26] <evan_> i.e. I have my charms in a directory called "lucid" so when I deploy - juju deploy --repository . local:lucid/charmname
[20:27] <nuclearbob> I've got them in /home/max/charms
[20:28] <nuclearbob> do I need them in oneiric/charms since I'm on oneiric?
[20:30] <evan_> nuclearbob: juju deploy --repository . local:path/to/charm should work if i'm not mistaken
[20:31] <nuclearbob> evan_: now I'm getting a connection refused, I may have goofed something up, I'll see if I can fix it
[20:35] <evan_> nuclearbob: If the bootstrapping node has not yet completed bootstrapping it could cause this error, ok.
[20:35] <nuclearbob> evan_: I wasn't getting that error before, but I just started after I had been messing with things
[20:35] <nuclearbob> evan_: I can try running the bootstrap again
[20:36] <nuclearbob> evan_: it says I'm already bootstrapped
[20:37] <evan_> nuclearbob: what does it say when you run "juju status"
[20:37] <nuclearbob> evan_: max@WOPR:~$ juju status
[20:37] <nuclearbob> could not connect before timeout
[20:37] <nuclearbob> 2011-11-10 15:37:42,353 ERROR could not connect before timeout
[20:39] <evan_> nuclearbob: Indication the environment needs more time to complete initialization
[20:39] <evan_> nuclearbob: more here https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/user-tutorial.html
[20:40] <nuclearbob> evan_: thanks, I'll take a look at that
[20:40] <evan_> nuclearbob: you bet
[21:32] <mpl> niemeyer: hi. sorry I couldn't show up so far, it was a crazy week. I'll probably collapse to bed soon, but starting from tomorrow I'll be a lot more available to talk.
[21:37] <nuclearbob> evan_: are you still around?
[21:40] <evan_> nuclearbob: yea, did you get it figured out?
[21:41] <nuclearbob> eavn_: I got the latest version from the ppa, rebooted, ran juju bootstrap (it said it was already bootstrapped) and gave it about a half an hour, but it's still getting timeouts
[21:44] <donspaulding> I sysadmin the servers at my company, around a dozen servers, with heterogenous hardware configs, all running various versions of ubuntu server.  What I wanted to build, before I found juju, was a tool that would orchestrate application-level services and their dependencies.  Juju seems to fit the bill nicely, except, rather than targeting EC2, or even a private cloud, I'd rather target my own bare-metal servers, with the applicat
[21:45] <donspaulding> I saw where recently the ability to deploy to containers was added, I'm just wondering if there's any explicit push toward supporting that for production deployment?  The mailing list message I saw on it seemed slanted towards development/debugging usage.
[21:55] <evan_> nuclearbob: hmmm I am unsure of why it would be doing that. Maybe someone else here would know
[21:56] <nuclearbob> evan_: thanks for pointing me at the tutorial as well, I've got another machine to set it up on, and maybe I can avoid mistakes I might have made on this one
[21:57] <evan_> nuclearbob: no problem. I am fairly new so I'm learning as well. Best of luck to you. Let me know if you figure out the problem


[15:30]  * AlanBell wonders if Pici is around
[15:40] <AlanBell> Pici: if we can get pip installed on the new ubottu server that would be great
[15:41] <AlanBell> and there should probably be some other people with sudo access (but probably not the bot users)
[15:42] <AlanBell> Mikaela is helping get this set up, so if I am not around feel free to work it through with Mikaela
[15:43] <Mikaela> 2015-07-17 02:04:21+0300 < Mikaela> Pici, could you install python-pip and python-wheel thrn?
[15:43] <Mikaela> 2015-07-17 02:04:28+0300 < Mikaela> *then
[15:43] <Mikaela> and I think I solved it, Limnoria isn't installed or is installed somewhere unstandard which Python doesn't like, but pip and wheel would still be very helpful
[15:44] <Mikaela> Pici: and if you could install git too, that would be nice. I have no idea which version there is and updating isn't possible as I cannot use "git tag" :)
[15:46] <Mikaela> 2015-07-17 18:45:49+0300 -- notify: meetingology (~meetingol@gateway/shell/ubottu/session) has connected
[15:46] <Mikaela> it runs, but why it's not identified?
[16:26] <Mikaela> meetingology is alive, I think. Could someone ping me when python-pip and python-wheel and git get installed so I can check the optional depedencies and see if there were any more recent releases?


[00:08] <rick_h__> what? there's a panel on unity dividing?
[00:41] <jjesse> finally got 11.04 downloaded
[00:41] <jjesse> now fresh install of my vms :)
[00:41] <rick_h__> sweet
[00:42] <jjesse> can't believe how long the web download was going to take
[00:42] <jjesse> i think at one point it was 19 hours
[00:42] <jjesse> on my fat work connection
[00:42] <jjesse> and my torrent was under 1.5 hours
[00:42] <rick_h__> heh, yea I'm guessing your pip isn't the limiting factor on this one
[00:42] <jjesse> nope
[01:49] <fdvalero> waht's new in Natty
[01:50] <rick_h__> not much :P
[01:58] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, Unity is like a cell
[01:58] <snap-l> and the panel was explaining mitosis
[02:00] <rick_h__> snap-l: this is the one you were recruiting people for?
[02:00] <snap-l> Yep
[02:00] <snap-l> And I need bodies
[02:00] <rick_h__> lol
[02:00] <snap-l> warm bodies that are friendly
[02:01] <snap-l> OK, time to do the dishes.
[02:01] <snap-l> brb
[02:22] <fdvalero> yeah
[02:32] <brousch> Unitydemo and party went really well
[02:32] <rick_h__> awesome, good to hear
[02:32] <brousch> A lot of skeptical people were impressed
[02:33] <rick_h__> yea, I think it'll be a big thing to get people to give things a fair shake
[02:33] <rick_h__> and just ack that there's issues, it's an early release
[02:34] <brousch> i'm glad i brought real hardware instead of a vm
[02:34] <rick_h__> definitely
[02:34] <brousch> ran really well
[02:34] <jjesse> brousch great job :)
[02:34] <greg-g> brousch: awesome!
[02:35] <brousch> also one of the biggest wmlug meetings, 13 people i think
[02:35] <jjesse> n ice
[02:36] <greg-g> congrats, buddy
[02:36] <brousch> i think i demoed for an hour and no one seemed to get bored
[03:02] <greg-g> wow, that is impressive
[12:12] <greg-g> ugh, early
[12:38] <rick_h__> greg-g: heh, meeting
[12:38] <rick_h__> ?
[12:38] <rick_h__> that was supposed to say
[12:51] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://www.blog.pythonlibrary.org/2011/04/28/wxpython-learning-to-use-fonts/
[12:51] <rick_h__> some wx love for you on the planet today
[12:51] <brousch> snap-l is a wxpython fan?
[12:57] <rick_h__> he's been playing with some wx
[13:28] <brousch> rick_h__: you going to try to present at pyohio again?
[13:30] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, think I'm going to submit an SqlAlchemy session
[13:31] <rick_h__> though thinking it would be cool to do a pyramid one, but not a big fan of framework talks since they devolve into 'how fast can you build a cheap wiki'
[13:31] <brousch> heh
[13:31] <brousch> a pyramid talk would be good. maybe goad ramm into one?
[13:36] <rick_h__> http://aws.amazon.com/message/65648/
[13:37] <rick_h__> interesting read
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> >_>
[14:06] <greg-g> rick_h__: drove up to Lansing with some coworkers for a pre-unconference bootcamp we are leading
[14:06] <greg-g> mine doesn't start until 1pm, but the other coworkers started at 9
[14:07] <rick_h__> ah, party time
[14:32] <_stink_> "pre-unconference bootcamp"
[14:33] <_stink_> wow, quite a phrase
[14:33] <rick_h__> drying out _stink_ ?
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> dry it out? He has a nice indoor pool. Shouldn't waste that.
[14:33] <_stink_> rick_h__: yeah, got all the carpet and padding out last night after kid went to bed.  now it's sitting soaking in my garage
[14:33] <_stink_> gotta bundle it up for the garbage
[14:33] <rick_h__> ugh
[14:33] <_stink_> but things seem reasonably dry otherwise
[14:34] <_stink_> the line out to the city is snaked out, so no danger for a while.  just gotta decide if we'll put in the exterior access or not
[14:35] <_stink_> so thankful it wasn't sewage water and was just outside rain water.
[14:36] <_stink_> i don't want your poop in my basement.
[14:37] <rick_h__> ah come on, it's roses
[14:37] <greg-g> _stink_: ugh, glad things are getting better, though
[14:37] <jjesse> does your homeowner's insurance cover this
[14:38] <jjesse> when we had a backup homeowners paid for cleanup, and new carpet
[14:38] <_stink_> jjesse: yeah, that's a really good point, someone mentioned that to my wife yesterday
[14:38] <_stink_> i'll have to look
[14:39] <jjesse> insurance company sent out one of those cleaning compaines to put antifungal, etc down and cleaned up the floor
[14:39] <jjesse> which was nice
[14:39] <_stink_> well damn
[14:39] <rick_h__> yea, when we had a backup they would cover it, but it was less than out deductable so didn't bother
[14:39] <rick_h__> but we saved the carpet, just had a drying company out that pulled it up adn setup fans under it
[14:39] <rick_h__> wasn't a total loss/drownage
[14:40] <_stink_> was there padding under that carpet?
[14:40] <rick_h__> yea, but it was ok
[14:40] <_stink_> ah, awesome
[14:40] <rick_h__> well we had to cut some out
[14:40] <_stink_> the padding the previous owner put down is quite the absorber.
[14:40] <ColonelPanic001> why bother keeping the carpet just to repeat this later, though?
[14:41] <rick_h__> well for us it was a failed sump, so we fixed the sump and were good to go again
[14:41] <_stink_> it feels good on the feet?
[14:41] <rick_h__> bah, I'm trying to rip the carpet out of this house bit by bit
[14:41] <rick_h__> hardwood or bust!
[14:41] <_stink_> hehe
[14:43] <ColonelPanic001> I prefer hardwood to carpet often, too
[14:44] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:45] <ColonelPanic001> Hi.
[14:45] <snap-l> rick_h__: thanks! Checking out this article
 Is it out yet? </#ubuntu>
[14:51] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[14:53] <wolfger> Is anybody at Penguicon yet?
[14:54] <ColonelPanic001> not yet. day job.
[14:55] <greg-g> not yet, leading a bootcamp until 4: http://www.2011.greatlakesthatcamp.org/bootcamps/
[14:56] <greg-g> ok, is it odd that a person with an HP laptop has an apple logo sticker on it?
[14:56] <ColonelPanic001> religion is strong.
[14:57]  * greg-g nods
[14:57] <brousch> it is odd
[14:57] <wolfger> not terribly odd, since every iPhone comes with one of those stickers
[14:58] <brousch> call him on it
[14:58] <ColonelPanic001> leave the guy alone, he was good enough to not use an apple laptop
[14:58] <rick_h__> heh, company issued against his will?
[14:58] <rick_h__> or just figured since he bought an iPod he needs to claim his colors in public to represent?
[14:59] <ColonelPanic001> he musn't anger The Jobs
[14:59] <rick_h__> I watched the latest south park with the apple slams and was disappointed :(
[15:00] <ColonelPanic001> I didn't see it
[15:03] <brousch> i didn't know SP was still on TV
[15:04] <snap-l> I saw a guy at the last CHC with two Apple stickers on a decidedly non-Apple laptop
[15:05] <brousch> report him to steve jobs
[15:06] <rick_h__> heh _stink_ looks like you're in good company, from my woodworking forum: This forum has
[15:06] <rick_h__> received a new topic since your last visit, "flooded basement questions".
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h__: you do much woodowrking?
[15:07] <rick_h__> before the kid
[15:07] <rick_h__> wife hates that she can't park in the garage since it's all woodshop
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> ah. My dad used to do a lot of that. He actually made his and my mom's bed.
[15:07] <rick_h__> but havne't been able to get out there to do it
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> hah, if we had had a garage, it'd probably be the same
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> that and woodcarving. Used to do that quite a bit
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> need to get pictures of some of his stuff sometime
[15:08] <rick_h__> https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Cutting_boards# https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Entertainment_center#5395992025616163250
[15:08] <rick_h__> though we have a nice lcd on top of it now vs that old tv
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> nice. I like it
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> now combine the two interests, and make a wood computer case.
[15:09] <rick_h__> https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/Hall_table#5313766308596653474
[15:09] <rick_h__> heh, seen a few
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> I've only seen a couple, but they were beautiful
[15:10] <brousch> rick_h__: very nice! i think i saw some of your in-work pictures but not the finished product
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, that hall table is nice.
[15:10] <rick_h__> well been a while since I got anything done, but yea
[15:10] <rick_h__> I messed up the drawers on that table. Harder to get smooth drawers than it looks
[15:10] <rick_h__> but the appearance is really good, was my first in-house project
[15:10] <rick_h__> other stuff I built was just for the garage, cabinets/etc
[15:11] <rick_h__> but yea, miss the woodworking some, but can't really do it a lot with the kid and bookie takes up time after he goes to bed
[15:11] <rick_h__> oh well, it'll be more a retirement thing I guess :P
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> trying to think of what else my dad did.  I figure I'll be old and near death anyway. May as well
[15:12] <jjesse> give him a hammer
[15:12] <rick_h__> heh, just need him old enough to play in the yard on his own
[15:36] <ColonelPanic001> I am too far behind on openmetalcast.
[15:36]  * ColonelPanic001 dons earphones
[15:46] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: I'm giving out DVDs of all of the episodes to date at Penguicon. :)
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> f'ing awesome. Save one for me. ;)
[15:47] <snap-l> Sure thing
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> still love this podcast idea
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> listening to ep. 14 now
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> the only thing that would be nice would be some way of knowing who's playing, while they're playing. Technology restriction, I guess.
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> jsut because sometimes I'll be listening, suddenly realize the band is awesome, but forget later (I'm usually working while listening)
[15:48] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: i have the same issue. i always have to go to the blog post and try to sort out which one i liked
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> right
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> not much to do about it though, I guess.
[15:48] <brousch> that's probably how snap-l makes money
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> that greedy little jerk
[15:49] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Theres something in AAC that will show the album artwork at the same time
[15:49] <snap-l> but that means having to use itunes. :)
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> but in what players, etc?
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> screwwww that.
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> I use netvibes for RSS, I just play it right on the page
[15:49] <brousch> snap-l: you could say the info after every song
[15:50] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, he's doing that right now on the one I'm listening to, actually
[15:50] <snap-l> Er, I mean Garage band or soemthing else.
[15:50] <snap-l> brousch: Um, no. :)
[15:50] <ColonelPanic001> I can live with going through a blog post, anyway
[15:50] <brousch> is that some radio nono?
[15:50] <snap-l> brousch: You'd never listen to it
[15:51] <snap-l> There's no flow
[15:51] <brousch> i'll give you artistic license on it ;)
[15:51] <ColonelPanic001> Execute My Liberty is nice. A little on the "wtf is that gurgling" side, but good, for when I'm in the mood for it
[15:51] <ColonelPanic001> I'm with snap-l. Interrupts flow.
[15:51] <snap-l> Which is why I do the instrumetalcast and Club Metal episodes at the beginning and end of the show
[15:51] <brousch> see, i don't notice flow
[15:52] <snap-l> brousch: Exactly. ;)
[15:52] <snap-l> It just happens
[15:52] <brousch> but probably because i am constantly inturrupted and listen in 10 minute chunks
[15:52] <snap-l> Listen to some of the first episodes. You'll understand what not having flow means.
[15:53] <ColonelPanic001> grabbing this album
[15:53] <snap-l> Good DJs make the music the center of attention
[15:54] <snap-l> Although radio DJs are all about promotion
[15:54] <ColonelPanic001> "Proctologue by Ass Burners from Blasting Poo Armageddon"
[15:54] <snap-l> promote this product, that show, something else.
[15:55] <ColonelPanic001> Must. Not. Laugh. At. Work.
[15:55] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Yeah, thank brousch for that one.
[15:55] <ColonelPanic001> thanks, brousch
[15:55] <brousch> my pleasure. the more assburnings i can spread the better
[15:56] <snap-l> At least the playlist that I made for Penguicon doesn't have anything in a foreign language.
[15:57] <snap-l> The last episode was a tongue-twister.
[15:57] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/04/19/open-metalcast-episode-19-there-will-be-potassium/
[15:58] <snap-l> Aliados by shaistrek from Revolucion y Metal (BY-SA), Dual God by Kaiowa from Subliminal Doctrine (BY-NC-SA) <- Both of those were hard to say
[15:59] <ColonelPanic001> hah
[15:59] <brousch> i enjoy listening to you try to pronounce spanish names
[15:59] <ColonelPanic001> hehe
[16:00] <snap-l> brousch: I think I get it most of the time
[16:00] <snap-l> I had several years of Spanish
[16:00] <snap-l> It's the french ones that throw me for a loop
[16:01] <snap-l> I speak French like Peter Sellers
[16:02] <ColonelPanic001> I mostly find it amusing when Craig is so cheerful sounding while announcing songs like "Consumed By Blood"
[16:03] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: that cracks me up too
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> god, this Procotolouge song is horrible.
[16:03] <ColonelPanic001> hilarious in parts though
[16:03] <brousch> cheerful and mild-mannered
[16:04] <ColonelPanic001> ep 14 was damn good, though. I went on Jamendo in the middle of working on something just to favorite that one album
[16:05] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPyDY5aZyXs
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> I also approve of that theme song
[16:05] <ColonelPanic001> the track you use is on an album I bought from Magnatune a couple years ago. It's sitting in my car right now.
[16:06] <ColonelPanic001> This "Abduction Starfleet" is awsome. snap-l, you ever listen to any '...And Oceans'?
[16:06] <ColonelPanic001> if you like this, might like them, too
[16:07] <snap-l> Yeah, you menitoned that. I didn't get to it yet. :)
[16:07] <snap-l> Utopia Banished. :)
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> that's it - I couldn't remember the name of the band, just the album
[16:12] <snap-l> Night of the Black Wyvern?
[16:12] <ColonelPanic001> aye
[16:27] <ColonelPanic001> haha. News Corp. is trying to sell MySpace.
[16:28] <ColonelPanic001> <axl rose>It's gonna diiiiieeeeee</axl rose>
[16:30] <rick_h__> http://twitter.com/#!/jasonbock/status/63979817275637760
[16:30] <rick_h__> awesome
[16:30] <ColonelPanic001> an.. xml format.. for json?
[16:31] <ColonelPanic001> don't we have that? Isn't it called.. xml?
[16:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: That's definitely the fish bicycle we've been looking for
[16:33] <snap-l> And next year, if I decide to do this Open Metalcast DVD thing, it'll be professionally done
[16:33] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[16:33] <snap-l> tired of fighting with Brasero / DVD Burner
[16:33] <snap-l> though it'll likely be more than 4.7GB. ;)
[16:34] <snap-l> It's 2.2GB now
[16:34] <ColonelPanic001> computer set up to automatically mount a USB drive when detected, then copy over the archive, dismount, wait for next.
[16:35] <snap-l> Right, is greg-g planning on bringing his pirate box?
[16:35] <snap-l> Maybe I'll burn an extra for him, just in case.
[16:35] <ColonelPanic001> I still like that "you get random files" idea from before.
[16:36] <snap-l> Also going to burn a copy of the Natty ISOs, just in case someone can't get them
[16:38] <snap-l> Anyone coming to the release party that hasn't RSVPed yet?
[16:38] <rick_h__> me
[16:38] <rick_h__> or did I rsvp? I don't recall
[16:38] <rick_h__> well, I'll probably be there, still one last chance of fallout
[16:38] <snap-l> I'm not seeing a RSVP
[16:38] <rick_h__> k, I'll get the wet noodle
[16:38] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/843/detail/
[16:39] <ColonelPanic001> I'll RSVP too. I should be there by then
[16:39] <rick_h__> greg-g: is coming out tonight?
[16:40] <greg-g> *maybe*
[16:40] <greg-g> with a hopefully tone in my voice
[16:41] <rick_h__> hah
[16:41]  * brousch decides to skip the coming out jokes
[16:43] <snap-l> Thanks, everyone. :)
[16:54] <greg-g> thanks for that message, snap-l
[16:54] <Dekkard> do we have an upgrade server for Natty?
[16:54] <snap-l> greg-g: np
[16:54] <snap-l> Dekkard: Image?
[16:55] <Dekkard> um nmot sure
[16:55] <greg-g> see the topic for the Oakland university mirror, which is still fast
[16:55] <Dekkard> k
[16:55] <Dekkard>  i couldnt even do a Maverick upgrade yesterday net was so hammered
[16:56] <snap-l> I'll add some maverick images as well. ;)
[16:57] <Dekkard> thanks
[16:57] <snap-l> Dekkard: Do you have a CD drive, and a USB key?
[16:57] <snap-l> and are you coming to Penguicon?
[16:58] <Dekkard> yerp
[16:58] <snap-l> OK, I've got the maverick ISOs. I'll burn you a separate copy
[16:58] <snap-l> and I'll put Natty ISOs on there as well
[16:58] <Dekkard> ahhh.. not sure of penguicon
[16:58]  * Dekkard isnt a IT professional like youse guys
[16:59] <snap-l> Dekkard: You don't need to be an IT pro to come to penguicon
[16:59] <snap-l> Not sure where you got that idea. ;)
[16:59] <Dekkard> but I was going to wait a few days.. see if the upgrade from mav to natty was smooth
[16:59] <snap-l> OK, well if you change your mind, I'll have the ISOs there, regardless.
[16:59] <Dekkard> i been to a lug meeting at dragonmeade..  That's major
[18:59] <rick_h__> http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=blackberry
[19:00] <snap-l> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-28/rim-plunges-after-cutting-profit-forecast-on-blackberry-demand.html
[19:00] <rick_h__> they had to come out before their earnings report and go "Umm, dudes...you're not going to like this, but we'll let you know tomorrow. Just promise not to be mad mkay"
[19:01] <snap-l> RIM said BlackBerry shipments will be at the lower end of the range of 13.5 million to 14.5 million it projected last month, and the mix of devices will shift toward cheaper models.
[19:01] <snap-l> Ouch
[19:02] <snap-l> “All things being equal we would love to have these products earlier and not be having this call,” said Jim Balsillie, co-chief executive officer in a conference call with investors. “Because it’s such a big upgrade, it takes longer.”
[19:02] <rick_h__> "guys, we can't just reinvent our business into a software service provider overnight...give us time"
[19:02] <snap-l> That's the worst thing to fight when you're a consumer company: consumer apathy.
[19:04] <rick_h__> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20058471-245.html and http://techland.time.com/2011/04/28/baseball-disaster-yanks-leak-21000-ticket-holders-personal-info/
[19:04] <rick_h__> that's it, I'm not signing up for anything anymore.
[19:04] <rick_h__> good grief...and Kroger wonders why I won't sign up for their stupid rewards card crap
[19:04] <snap-l> No kidding
[19:05] <snap-l> Which is why we shop at Meijer
[19:05] <rick_h__> "but it's free and you could save $2"
[19:05] <rick_h__> screw it, I'll pay $2 and keep my personal info off your crap network kthx
[19:05] <binbrain> looked up BB news on Google http://twitpic.com/4r2r8s
[19:05] <binbrain> look closely
[19:05] <snap-l> rick_h__: You should launch into a 10 minute dissertation on why their card isn't worth it in the checkout lane
[19:05] <rick_h__> binbrain: lmao!
[19:06] <binbrain> I know right
[19:06] <rick_h__> oh crap, that's amazing
[19:06] <snap-l> I'm sure the cashier and the people behind you in line would love it
[19:06] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, that picture is rude.
[19:13] <snap-l> bbl
[19:27] <ColonelPanic001> this work thing is dumb. want to go to Pcon, plz
[19:37] <jrwren> i don't get it.
[19:38] <jrwren> what am I missing?
[19:38] <jrwren> oh, lol... now I see it.
[19:51] <jrwren> whoa, logocast music sounds good
[19:51] <rick_h__> openmetalcast?
[20:00] <jrwren> err, lococast.
[20:00] <rick_h__> oh, some intro music or something?
[20:00] <jrwren> just the ep 15 intro music was really kickin
[20:00] <rick_h__> gotcha
[21:12] <Scott_firebeta> can anyone get to cdwg.com  downforeveryoneorjustme.com says it's up but I can't get to it or newegg.com
[21:13] <Blazeix> works for me
[21:13] <Scott_firebeta> thanks
[21:14] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, that's Micronaut (Chris Randall's project)
[22:07] <wolfger> OK, who's here now? :-p
[22:07] <wolfger> s/here/at Penguicon/
[22:08] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001 is on his way
[22:08] <_stink_> i'm not in this year
[22:08] <_stink_> i actually was pleasantly surprised after looking at the schedule
[22:08] <_stink_> some ok looking stuff
[22:08] <wolfger> hurry, ColonelPanic001. You're missing the KDE panel