[12:18] <ace_ace> hi all
[12:18] <ace_ace> !openoffice
[12:18] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[12:20] <ace_ace> problem: starting up OpenOffice (2.2) and clicking on 'file' freezes the machine, in the following way:
[12:20] <ace_ace> 1. all processes go on their normal way
[12:20] <ace_ace> 2. on my 3-head machine, I am stuck inside the screen that displays openoffice
[12:21] <ace_ace> 3. the mouse moves stuteringly, jagging, very slow near the edges of the screen
[12:21] <ace_ace> 4. I can not access any kde functions like taskbar, alt-tab, alt-f2, alt-esc
[12:22] <ace_ace> From a remote terminal I killed all openoffice processes, but that didn't help
[12:22] <khaije1> what do i need to do have my /etc/hosts file override the lan dns server?
[12:22] <khaije1> I've already added order host bind    in host.conf
[12:23] <raul> Hello
[12:23] <ace_ace> I think it is hanging at the file->open dialog somewhere, maybe because of sshfs  or other stuff.
[12:23] <ace_ace>  I had similar problems in Dapper
[12:24] <raul> Hello everybody!
[12:24] <ace_ace> hello raul
[12:24] <raul> I have a little question
[12:25] <ace_ace> raul: always start with the question, not with 'hello'
[12:25] <raul> Is posible install ubuntu-desktop (aka gnome) in kubuntu from a "live" ubuntu cdrom
[12:25] <adaptr> and never, ever, admit to actually having a question
[12:25] <ace_ace> adaptr: I have a question: why not? ;-)
[12:26] <adaptr> ace_ace well, because I WON'T ANSWER IT :)
[12:26] <raul> do I need the alternate cd?
[12:26] <ace_ace> raul: I don't now, but I guess that if you use the cd in your /etc/apt/sources.list, well then maybe...
[12:26] <Sanne> raul: only the alternate cd can be used as a repository
[12:27] <raul> yes I added with apt-cdrom add
[12:27] <ace_ace> Sanne: oh yeah, allright... forget my answer,. raul!
[12:27] <Sanne> raul: the live cd has a slightly different package format
[12:27] <Sanne> ace_ace: :)
[12:27] <raul> but I didn't work
[12:27] <ace_ace> adaptr: what about my *real* question ?
[12:27] <ace_ace> raul: you didn't work ?
[12:28] <raul> not I want install gnome in kubuntu from the ubuntu cdrom
[12:28] <adaptr> ace_ace open up a terminal somewhere and run dstat in it, then open up a second terminal and run htop in that
[12:28] <adaptr> now repeat the problem, and see what happens
[12:28] <ace_ace> raul: Sanne said it dont' work with the live cd but it can work with the alternate cd...!
[12:29] <raul> if I typed sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop, aptitude start to download the packages
[12:30] <hitmanWilly> raul: if you want gnome, why not just use the vanilla ubuntu cd?
[12:30] <raul> yes, I supposed that
[12:30] <ace_ace> adaptr: you mean, walk to a remote terminal, since alt-ctrl-f1 and friends dont' work :-(
[12:30] <adaptr> why not ?
[12:30] <ace_ace> adaptr: I installed and ran htop, but what do you mean by 'repeat the problem' ?
[12:31] <adaptr> exactly what I say - you state opening openoffice creates a problem on your machine
[12:31] <adaptr> so reproduce that while you have appropriate auditing applications running
[12:31] <ace_ace> adaptr: why not!? Indeed ! Why not! Everything is frozen, I can not leave the OO app with my mouse, Alt-tab, alt-esc, etc etc all don't work.
[12:32] <raul> what's the "vanilla" ubuntu cd?
[12:32] <ace_ace> adaptr: I was afraid that you wanted me to reproduce it.  But I am not so eager to use alt-ctrl-del or alt-ctrl-backspace
[12:32] <adaptr> ace_ace nonsense - SSH to the box remotely and kill OO
[12:32] <ace_ace> adaptr: since i just setup all my desktops and lot's of open apps, and if i use alt-ctrl-del or alt-backapace, all that is lost
[12:32] <adaptr> yes, well
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: killing i did already doesn't help !!!
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: is there another way to save the current session befor I nuke X?
[12:33] <adaptr> ace_ace then check what *is* eating resources
[12:33] <ace_ace> adaptr: nothing is eating resources.
[12:34] <ace_ace> adaptr: /usr/bin/X is at 99 or 100% but all the rest is under 4%
[12:34] <adaptr> ace_ace how do you know ?
[12:34] <ace_ace> adaptr: i know because of top (now htop)
[12:34] <adaptr> so X is eating all your resources.. please don't spout useless drivel
[12:34] <adaptr> coincidentally, if X is at 99%, the most anything else can be at would be 1% cumulatively
[12:35] <Punkunity> I need to kow how to un-install Kubuntu and if it is safe, form my feisty OS???
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: I have 3 screens, the left and right look fine, the middle is stuck with oo
[12:35] <Punkunity> I do not use/like it and should I use synaptic to do it??
[12:35] <adaptr> Punkunity if you mean the desktop, remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: I think you analysis is only valid for a single processor machine.
[12:35] <adaptr> Punkunity but be very careful what you delete
[12:35] <Skiff> guys silly question but I installed a plugin for xchat, where can I find the perl script file itself, I want to edit it manually ? locate x-sys doesnt work and I dont know how to search the whole system
[12:35] <adaptr> ace_ace not really, 100% is 100%
[12:35] <ace_ace> adaptr: are you sure ?
[12:36] <adaptr> ace_ace so you have 3 screens or 3 sessions ?
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: I mean really sure ?
[12:36] <adaptr> I am very sure, multiprocessing is not the issue here
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: 3 screens, a multihead machine, with Xinerama on. Works normallyh fine !
[12:36] <Punkunity> adapter how should I do it
[12:36] <Punkunity> adaptr,
[12:36] <ace_ace> adaptr: on a SMP top can be more then 100% I am sure about that
[12:36] <Sanne> Skiff: you can see where the package files go in synaptic, I bet also in Adept, and on packages.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Skiff> Sanne, thanks man:)
[12:37] <raul> for unistall kubuntu? sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:37] <adaptr> ace_ace "top" can do anything it likes, but your CPU usage will never be more than 100%, for fairly obvious reasons
[12:37] <ace_ace> adaptr: I had lots of issues with OO freezing right after 'file->open'
[12:37] <Sanne> <-- no man
[12:37] <Sanne> Skiff:
[12:37] <Skiff> Sanne, do I need to index all files so locate works?
[12:37] <adaptr> ace_ace I understood that, now kill X and *reproduce the problem* while running adequate monitoring tools like dstat and htop
[12:38] <Sanne> Skiff: yes, I think you need to do updatedb after adding files, then locate should find the new ones
[12:38] <adaptr> Skiff you could also search for it, if you know its exact name
[12:38] <adaptr> Skiff I think it's dpkg -S <filename>
[12:38] <adaptr> or something similar, anyway
[12:38] <raul> Punkunity what do you need exactly?
[12:39] <Punkunity> raul I want to get rid of kubuntu from my feisty ubuntu, i do not like it there
[12:39] <ianm_> what's the biggest distro right now for KDE?
[12:39] <raul> ok type sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:40] <Punkunity> i only want ubuntu not kde and I want to keep beryl and my other stuff, i just do not use kubuntu, and when the machine boots up it says kubuntu
[12:40] <Punkunity> and i want it to say ubuntu because thats what boots up first
[12:40] <Punkunity> raul
[12:40] <raul> or remove all "kde" packages with synactic
[12:40] <Skiff> Sanne, heh sorry )
[12:40] <adaptr> ianm_ whichever has the most packages, presumably
[12:40] <Skiff> adaptr, thanks
[12:41] <raul> yes use synaptic
[12:41] <raul> search "kde" and remove the packages that you don't want
[12:41] <Punkunity> raul ty
[12:41] <Punkunity> raul i used the command line you gave me
[12:42] <Punkunity> brb
[12:42] <raul> ?
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[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HAHAHA
[12:43] <Sanne> !ops
[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HEHEHE
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[12:43] <jimmicaboolie> HOHOHO
[12:46] <Skiff> guys if synaptec says that some files are installed into /usr/lib/xchat and when I brwose with nautilus to /usr/lib there is not xchat dir
[12:46] <Skiff> what gives
[12:47] <adaptr> well.. not xchat, apparently
[12:47] <Aresilek> hi
[12:47] <raul> Hi Aresilek
[12:47] <Aresilek> how should i go about 'doing' mediubuntu?
[12:48] <Skiff> adaptr, hmm I needed to go another way through filesystem not through my other hdd
[12:48] <Skiff> I see it now
[12:48] <Skiff> thanks though
[12:48] <Aresilek> what should i donwload?
[12:48] <adaptr> that makes.. no sense whatsoever
[12:48] <raul> mediubuntu?
[12:48] <adaptr> is that like in between bigubuntu and smallubuntu ?
[12:50] <Sanne> !medibuntu | Aresilek
[12:50] <ubotu> Aresilek: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[12:50] <Aresilek> yeah and i'm in i386 in non-free Sanne
[12:50] <Skiff> adaptr, last silly question, I need open a perl script file, I need to do it with sudo, so I right click to open with, then use custom command, so it would be "sudo ..." and then what?
[12:50] <Aresilek> what should i dl
[12:50] <raul> I have, think
[12:51] <raul> edit your source.list file
[12:51] <adaptr> Skiff not from within X, please just open a terminal
[12:51] <Sanne> Aresilek: you should best add the repository to your sources.list and get the packages via the package manager.
[12:51] <Aresilek> Sanne: actually that was my real question
[12:51] <Sanne> Aresilek: details here: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
[12:51] <Skiff> adaptr, gotcha whats a good text editor besides nano
[12:51] <Aresilek> is adding it to my repository the better way to go?
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff oh I thought you said you needed to open it
[12:52] <Sanne> Aresilek: definitely, that's the preferred way to install software in ubuntu
[12:52] <Skiff> adaptr, sorry for misleading, just edit it
[12:52] <Aresilek> ok
[12:52] <Mithsir> Hi. Is it possible that the Kubuntu feisty package KitchenSync is horribly old?
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff if you want to edit it in a text editor, use Kate
[12:52] <raul> paste this lines in your source.list
[12:52] <Skiff> adaptr, but the command would be the same anyhow I presume
[12:52] <raul> deb http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free
[12:52] <raul> deb-src http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ feisty free non-free
[12:52] <adaptr> Skiff use kdesu when in X
[12:53] <raul> with sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[12:53] <raul> or kate if you uses kde
[12:53] <Mithsir> Or in other words: is there a kitchensync-opensync package?
[12:53] <Skiff> adaptr, thanks
[12:53] <Aresilek> done.
[12:53] <raul> then sudo aptitude update
[12:53] <Sanne> Aresilek: you should just remember that you have enabled 3rd party repositories and which ones those are.
[12:53] <Aresilek> why Sanne
[12:53] <adaptr> why is amarok in medibuntu ?
[12:54] <crimsun> adaptr: is it compiled with additional codec/tagging support?
[12:54] <raul> that's is true, in fact adept update with that repo
[12:54] <Sanne> Aresilek: those are not officially supported any may give problems when you upgrade. So you would know which packages to uninstall *if* you run into problems. But mostly it works, have no fear :)
[12:54] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: i think its setup for extra codecs as well
[12:55] <Aresilek> so now what do i do? sudo apt-get install medibuntu?
[12:55] <raul> mediubuntu works well for me (I have installed kubuntu)
[12:55] <raul> no
[12:56] <martin_> alguien
[12:56] <Sanne> Aresilek: after you update you package list you can search for the packages you want to install, and install them. Not the whole medibuntu.
[12:56] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: amarok just uses the xine engine, so i don't think the extra codec support has to be compiled in, afaik it just depends on the packages for the extra codecs
[12:56] <raul> espaol? jeje
[12:56] <adaptr> hitmanWilly so it's not a newer amarok version ?
[12:56] <martin_> sabe como instalar Beryl en kubuntu+
[12:56] <Aresilek> what if i want the whole medibuntu? i just have to manually install them all?
[12:57] <raul> mmmhhh... mira esta pagina
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> i don't think so...but ive been wrong before :)
[12:57] <raul> ubuntuguide.org creo
[12:57] <martin_> alguien
[12:57] <raul> no medibuntu is a repo like the main ubuntu server
[12:57] <Sanne> Aresilek: I don't know if they provide a metapackage that installs everything, search at the website for info. Otherwise, yes, i guess so. Medibuntu is just a collection of some most wanted apckages, no distro on it's own.
[12:57] <raul> martin mira en esta pagina, espera y la busco
[12:58] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: they may label it newer so that dist-upgrade will download it tho...
[12:58] <Sanne> Aresilek: you aren't confusing medibuntu with ubuntustudio, by any chance?
[12:58] <martin_> ok raul gracisa
[12:58] <raul> martin esta es http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Eye_Candy
[12:58] <martin_> ok dejame lo checo gracias por la ayuda
[12:58] <Aresilek> no, becuz i've never heard of ubuntustudio, what is it?
[12:58] <innernaut> man I still can't get this
[12:58] <raul> ahi esta Beryl para ATI y NVIDIA, esta en ingles pero creo q no haya problema
[12:59] <raul> ok
[12:59] <martin_> ok
[12:59] <innernaut> system sounds when I set it to OSS... but Amarok wont work...  if I set system sounds to anything else, everything else works but system sounds...
[12:59] <Sanne> Aresilek: (please type my name so I get notified when spoken to) ubuntustudio is an audio/multimedia/graphics distro based on ubuntu.
[01:00] <Aresilek> Sanne: so how's it different do medibuntu?
[01:00] <adaptr> erm.. actually, ubuntustudio is merely a program launcher for a bunch of AV applications
[01:00] <raul> and http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/ is a PLF REPOSITORY
[01:00] <adaptr> and not too useful, at that
[01:01] <Aresilek> raul: what's PLF?
[01:01] <Sanne> Aresilek: as I said, medibuntu provides some most wanted packages that cannot be legally distributed with ubuntu. ubuntustudio is a distro for musicians and graphics artists.
[01:01] <Aresilek> ah
[01:01] <raul> mmmhh... that is
[01:02] <Sanne> adaptr: no, see here: http://ubuntustudio.com/
[01:02] <adaptr> Sanne yes, see there, really
[01:02] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a USB drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:02] <Sanne> adaptr: it used to be a started script
[01:02] <Sanne> starter
[01:02] <niles> or would the data write to the disk on the fly.
[01:02] <adaptr> niles a USB drive would be an external drive
[01:02] <niles> i meant flash drive
[01:02] <niles> sorry
[01:02] <niles> let me rephrase
[01:03] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a USB drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:03] <niles> opps
[01:03] <raul> mmmh?
[01:03] <adaptr> a flash drive does not operate as you described, so it's kinda hard to discuss it on that basis
[01:03] <dr_willis> Joy - got a $350 laptop for the wife with Vista (ugh) and have now spent an HR getting the wireless (so far NOT) working on it...
[01:03] <niles> im thinking about purchasing an external hard drive. is it like a flash drive, where data would flush to the device only upon umounting it?
[01:03] <niles> oh
[01:03] <raul> maybe is a external USB IDE -box?
[01:03] <dr_willis> What was the improvements in vista supposed to be? heh
[01:04] <niles> well i dont want to go out a buy one if data only writes to the device only upon umounting it.
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: i think it was somewhat along the lines of 'these go to 11' :P
[01:04] <adaptr> dr_willis they have a list of about 20 points up somewhere, 17 of which are pure fluff, 2 of which are useless, and the biggest one is having all european governments in a tizzy right now because it's highly immoral :)
[01:05] <Aresilek> adaptr: what 'feature' is immoral?
[01:05] <adaptr> niles no device existst which does that, so you should be relatively safe
[01:05] <adaptr> Aresilek mandatory DRM
[01:06] <dr_willis> adaptr,  well so far im impressed.. "Can not connect to wireless network: reason - Unknown reason"
[01:06] <Aresilek> :-O
[01:06] <dr_willis> Joy!
[01:06] <adaptr> dr_willis oh the good old win98 days...
[01:06] <dr_willis> adaptr,  they got this love log reader and stuff.. but it dont know nothing either it seems. :)
[01:06] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: that's cuz you didn't buy the approved M$ wireless module :)
[01:06] <dr_willis> back to the windows method of trying random things and hope it works.
[01:06] <adaptr> you love log ? hey, I love log too, maybe we could sing a song
[01:07] <dogatemycomputer> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[01:07] <dr_willis> This thing MAY become MY linux laptop if it dont start behaving. :0
[01:07] <adaptr> well, $350 sounds like a good deal
[01:07] <Aresilek> so what do i need to get to play dvds?
[01:07] <adaptr> I'd say spread th elove log
[01:07] <zulema> I have a very strange problem, the CDROM got mounted as /media/hdd instead of /media/cdrom, and I can umount it, even as root
[01:07] <dr_willis> adaptr,  yea. one day sale. Its only a Semperon CPU. but heck it has a 15 screen.. so its ok for its needs
[01:07] <Aresilek> the libdccs thing alone?
[01:07] <adaptr> Aresilek usually, a player that does them, such as VLC
[01:08] <adaptr> zulema unmount the device, then, and make sure you're not IN that directory
[01:08] <zulema> adaptr: typo, I can't umount it
[01:08] <adaptr> zulema you're not reading
[01:09] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: you need libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2
[01:09] <raul> Aresilek install "libdvdcss" or libdvdread or similar
[01:09] <adaptr> zulema unmount the *device*, then, and GET YOUR ARSE OUT OF THE DIRECTORY FIRST
[01:09] <zulema> adaptr: I'm not inside the dir
[01:09] <adaptr> then use lsof to verify that nothing is accessing it
[01:10] <raul> zulema use umount -l /dev/...
[01:10] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: the libdvdread allows you to play dvds and libdvdcss allows you to decrypt the encrypted ones
[01:10] <Aresilek> couldn't find neither package
[01:10] <adaptr> Aresilek that's because Ubuntu may not distribute them
[01:10] <hitmanWilly> !dvd | Aresilek
[01:10] <ubotu> Aresilek: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:11] <raul> areselik mmmh... do you paste medibuntu repo
[01:11] <hitmanWilly> Aresilek: those links have excellent instructions
[01:11] <adaptr> in a rather bizarre turn of ancient history, the dvdcss code was ruled illegal and is now forbidden, even though everybody has it
[01:11] <adaptr> it's just one of those things
[01:12] <AutoMatriX> hello
[01:12] <adaptr> the dvdforum is pretty much a laughingstock, css was so easy to crack it took them about 5 days or so
[01:12] <raul> Hello AutoMatriX
[01:12] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: that's because of that stupid DMCA, but its out now, so it shouldn't be an issue, at least not legally
[01:12] <raul> Aresilek read this page http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Eye_Candy
[01:13] <raul> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[01:13] <raul> the last one
[01:13] <adaptr> hitmanWilly oh ye sit is - the DVD consortium (made up of basically the entire RIAA and MPIAA cast) is the party enforcing its illegality
[01:13] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: if they want to take me to court for playing a dvd i bought on a computer i own, lrt them try it :)
[01:13] <adaptr> hitmanWilly that is not really the issue, since they want to stop people from *spreading* the code - which is why Ubuntu can't include it
[01:13] <Aresilek> :-S
[01:14] <raul> Aresilek what happens?
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> then just go to a canadian web hoster, post it there :)
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> or a nigerian one
[01:14] <adaptr> they do have the same laws about it, do you know who wrote the decss code ?
[01:15] <Aresilek> raul: 1 page at a time :-S
[01:15] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: actually no, i don't
[01:15] <raul> sorry is the last one
[01:15] <dogatemycomputer> where is Connical's main server located?
[01:15] <raul> in fact is the same page
[01:15] <adaptr> hitmanWilly it was a Scandinavian student, age 20 or so, and yes, he was certainly arrested
[01:15] <klobster> so kernel upgrade to 2.6.20-16 changes /dev/sda BACK to /dev/hda?!?!?
[01:16] <adaptr> klobster it just fscks them around, edit your bootloader config and you're good to go (I'm on lowlatency now)
[01:16] <phoenixbyrd> apt-get is telling me these two files have errors and to 'autoremove' them, but when I do, it tells me they have too many errors and won't do it
[01:16] <phoenixbyrd> libgnome-menu2 libgnome-window-settings1
[01:17] <Aresilek> raul why did you link me to beryl?
[01:17] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd and they're already downloaded ?
[01:17] <phoenixbyrd> I think so
[01:17] <Aresilek> i think i'll get xine and vlc :-D
[01:17] <hitmanWilly> adaptr: yes, but it looks like he got off...no pun intended :P
[01:17] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd look in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:17] <klobster> adaptr: yeah, I guess I didn't have enough fun the LAST kernel upgrade.
[01:17] <raul> yes I make a mistake, sorry
[01:18] <adaptr> phoenixbyrd delete them by hand if necessary, but if they truly are borked then fsck your disk pronto
[01:18] <adaptr> klobster that went painless here
[01:18] <Aresilek> ok
[01:18] <nahemoth> Why do I get such kind of warning "http://rapidshare.com/files/11814171/Lock_Stock_And_Two_Smoking_Barrels.DVDRIP.XviD.D1.part7.rar.html"
[01:18] <nahemoth> sorry
[01:18] <adaptr> whahahaha
[01:18] <adaptr> red-handed
[01:18] <nahemoth> "./configure: line 3052: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory"
[01:18] <raul> Aresilek, vlc, xine and mplayer are the best players in the world
[01:18] <adaptr> you need tcl/tk dev packages
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> oh quick!! where's the mpaa when you need them!!! /jk
[01:19] <Aresilek> :-D
[01:19] <adaptr> they're *always* here
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> <_< >_>
[01:19] <hitmanWilly> 8-O
[01:20] <hitmanWilly> oh noes!!
[01:20] <BluesKaj> mplayer is tuck in small scrn size on my setup so i use kaffeine and it works fine
[01:20] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:20] <BluesKaj> stuck
[01:20] <niles> i would like a wireless PCI card.  what is recomended in the Linux world?
[01:21] <niles> as far as vendors
[01:21] <niles> or chipsets rather
[01:21] <raul> niles visit a linux hadware database
[01:21] <hitmanWilly> niles: take a look at one you want on newegg or something, research it on google, rinse, repeat :)
[01:21] <BluesKaj> !wireless | niles
[01:21] <ubotu> niles: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:22] <raul> niles look http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/
[01:22] <BluesKaj> list several cards in the documentation
[01:22] <Skiff> anyone knows how to make a normal user list in xchat-gnome ?
[01:23] <Skiff> like in regular xchat
[01:24] <Aresilek> i can't find libdvdcss
[01:24] <crimsun> Aresilek: ...in medibuntu?
[01:24] <phoenixbyrd> adaptr: it's libice-dev, but I don't see it
[01:24] <crimsun> !info libice-dev
[01:24] <ubotu> libice-dev: X11 Inter-Client Exchange library (development headers). In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-1build1 (feisty), package size 54 kB, installed size 224 kB
[01:24] <Aresilek> hmmm
[01:24] <crimsun> what can't you find?
[01:26] <raul> Aresilek, probe sudo aptitude libdvdcss
[01:26] <Aresilek> crimsun: i installed the repositery
[01:26] <raul> install...
[01:26] <crimsun> Aresilek: did you update after you "installed the repository"?
[01:26] <dr_willis> wee finially got  this cheap thing working.
[01:27] <dr_willis> 'unknown error = Weak signal' it seems.. duh.
[01:27] <raul> did you read tha http://ubuntuguide.org page
[01:27] <raul> ?
[01:28] <BluesKaj> libdvdcss2
[01:28] <Aresilek> yeah!
[01:28] <Aresilek> libdvdcss2 did the trick
[01:28] <raul> Aresilek did you download the needed gpg keys?
[01:29] <Aresilek> gpg keys?
[01:29] <raul> ok, let's begin
[01:31] <pirothezero> does anyone hot swap sata drives in kubuntu or linux?
[01:31] <BluesKaj> hotswap ?
[01:32] <niles> hotswap, i believe is to remove a device with out having to turn off the machine
[01:32] <BluesKaj> err why do that ...?
[01:33] <niles> it's for convenience
[01:33] <samir85> Hey guys, can somebody help me? I've backed up all my data on an usb drive and now I cannot mount it. I've elaborated my problem here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/7351
[01:34] <pirothezero> BluesKaj, so that you can store drives that dont need to be ran all the time and have longer disk lives
[01:34] <pirothezero> and transfer disks from one place to another
[01:34] <BluesKaj> yeah real convenient when ya lose components due to power shorts on mobos and other related stuff
[01:35] <Minataku> Heya, dr_willis
[01:35] <niles> BluesKaj: my community college networking course, each student was assigned a hard drive to experiment on.
[01:38] <BluesKaj> samir85, check this site : http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=248711
[01:38] <samir85> thanks, i will read it immidiatly
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: still saving the world one person at a time?
[01:39] <BluesKaj> experimenting with pc's one thing swapping drives with the power left on is not a safe practice.
[01:39] <kgx> does anyone know how i can run a script from the command line as www-data
[01:39] <samir85> BluesKaj: i dont think this is related to it. my problem is, that the partition status of my usb drives is "hidden" and i need a a way to change this :(
[01:39] <kgx> su www-data doesnt work
[01:40] <adaptr> kgx use sudo
[01:40] <adaptr> of course su works
[01:40] <adaptr> but only root may do it, so sudo su www-data
[01:40] <BluesKaj> nope nosrednaekim ...there's nothing good on TV tonite...everything is in repeat mode
[01:41] <adaptr> that's the summer for you
[01:41] <kgx> adaptr: what would the password be for www-data?
[01:41] <adaptr> kgx su does not require a password
[01:42] <BluesKaj> too lazy to wash my car tonite
[01:42] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It'll just get dirty again anyway
[01:42] <adaptr> kgx you have not tried it yet, go do it first, complain later
[01:42] <kgx> adaptr: i did. asks for passowrd
[01:42] <adaptr> BluesKaj you can wash mine
[01:42] <adaptr> kgx yes, of course it does, so enter it
[01:43] <kgx> adaptr: thing is, we have a cluster of servers with ldap auth. dont want to mess anythingup
[01:43] <adaptr> kgx how would you mess anything up by downgrading your user account ?
[01:43] <kgx> adaptr: ah, works as root...thanks
[01:43] <adaptr> and I think the correct phrase is "we would like to have a cluster of servers, but right now all we've got is a serious lack of knowledge" :P
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. too much pollen out for anything to have th decency to stay clean
[01:44] <Minataku> Just wait for it to rain
[01:44] <Minataku> Instant clean, no wasted water
[01:44] <adaptr> well.. not instant
[01:44] <kgx> adaptr: more like im not a network admin but just a coder :p
[01:44] <Minataku> Close enough
[01:44] <Minataku> XD
[01:44] <BluesKaj> Minataku, it's gonna rain anyway :)
[01:45] <Minataku> BluesKaj: There ya go
[01:45] <Minataku> :D
[01:45] <adaptr> kgx then you should never have root access, period
[01:54] <raul> ok guys, thaks a lot for everything!
[01:55] <M_Fatih> hi
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih:  hi
[01:55] <raul> I wish you the best from Colombia
[01:55] <M_Fatih> how can i downgrade a mp3's bitrate, i want to minimalize my mp3 files for my mp3player
[01:55] <raul> and see you!
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> bye Raul
[01:59] <BluesKaj> samir85, have you considered using GParted Live CD partiton editor ...it may work in your case ..I think there is an unhide option
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: are you using audioKreator?
[02:02] <samir85> thanks blueskaj I will try that out :D
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Katapult is amazing1
[02:02] <DaSkreech> Yep
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> !
[02:02] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: and getting better
[02:03] <M_Fatih> nosrednaekim: no, i'm not using something
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: do you have lame?
[02:04] <M_Fatih> yes
[02:04] <M_Fatih> can lame convert a mp3 file to mp3 file?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: "man lame"
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> read its manual page.
[02:04] <M_Fatih> ok
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: I think it can
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> excuse me if I just told you to RTFM.lol
[02:05] <DaSkreech> M_Fatih: eh?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> never told that to anyone.
[02:05] <DaSkreech> mp3 -> mp3 ?
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: he's trying to downgrade the quality
[02:07] <M_Fatih> yes it can do it with --mp3input
[02:07] <DaSkreech> ah
[02:07] <M_Fatih> but i'm searching to set bitrate
[02:07] <DaSkreech> that's a oft requested transistion
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> no the real question is...how do you get BETTER quality?
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[02:09] <M_Fatih> nosrednaekim: :)
[02:09] <M_Fatih> but it is too slow
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: whats too slow?
[02:09] <M_Fatih> hmm. whatever..
[02:10] <M_Fatih> lame is converting too slow, i'm converting ~10min mp3, it says 1.15min to convert
[02:10] <M_Fatih> i think it's too slov
[02:10] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: I forget how well sarcasm comes across the internet
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> M_Fatih: thats not slow!
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: haha
[02:12] <phillips> Anyone have experience with USB scanners and sane?
[02:15] <Skiff> guys any1 knows how to edit fonttype  for the TABs in XCHAT, it doesnt use the textbox one and I want it to..
[02:16] <stdin> use konversation, xchat is pants
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: is Xchat written in gtk?
[02:16] <Skiff> dont know
[02:16] <SlimeyPete> it is, iirc
[02:17] <stdin> xchat is GTK
[02:17] <Skiff> ok
[02:17] <Skiff> then?
[02:17] <wolferine> is pants?
[02:17] <wolferine> lol
[02:17] <stdin> well it is :p
[02:17] <stdin> compaired to konversation anyway
[02:17] <Skiff> how do I change the tab fonts
[02:17] <Skiff> stdin you like koversations better?
[02:18] <SlimeyPete> irssi + screen ftw
[02:18] <stdin> konversation is a great IRC client
[02:18] <stdin> (in a GUI)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> Skiff you have to apply KDE them to GTK apps,and then it will mimic your KDE theme
[02:18] <hitmanWilly> bah...irssi :)
[02:19] <Skiff> damn I jsut checked out konversations
[02:19] <Skiff> indeed its nice
[02:19] <stdin> it puts xchat to shame
[02:19] <Skiff> definitely does lol
[02:19] <stdin> all fonts are configurable too
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> I use GAIM so of course I have no clue about the difference..lol
[02:19] <Skiff> dont know how fast and reliable it is though
[02:19] <Skiff> xchat is superfast :)
[02:19] <stdin> fast, yes, reliable, for sure
[02:20] <Skiff> nice
[02:20] <Skiff> I think Im switching :)
[02:20] <stdin> I've has konversation running for days before
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Skiff: do you have need for heavy scripting in IRC?
[02:20] <stdin> no performance issues
[02:20] <Skiff> DaSkreech, nope
[02:20] <DaSkreech> Konversation will do you
[02:20] <Skiff> DaSkreech, I just like to have the plugin available
[02:20] <DaSkreech> alt+space -> konv -> <enter>
[02:20] <Skiff> like sysinfo/xmms outputs
[02:20] <Skiff> the regular ones
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Skiff: You can do /media in konversation
[02:21] <busfahrer> When I go to KControl and do "Defaults" in the "Themes" section, I lose all icons, for example in the KControl tree, and in the Konqueror toolbar. However I do want the default Kubuntu style back. Any ideas, please? :-(
[02:21] <stdin> amarok FTW :D
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> /media
[02:21] <DaSkreech> Skiff: and you can make up others as you go along
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> haha.. GAIM doesn't have it
[02:21] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Ha ha :)
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> I know kopete does (I can't stand kopete)
[02:22] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: konversation :)
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah I don't like stand alone IRC client I prefer all in one chat clients
[02:22] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, doesn't work in irssi for some reason :P
[02:22] <DaSkreech> so you use GAIM just for IRC?
[02:23] <stdin> game isn't a irc client
[02:23] <DaSkreech> doesn't that make it stand alone :-P
[02:23] <Skiff> thank you guys
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Skiff; you can pay us later :)
[02:23] <stdin> welcome to the konversation krew :)
[02:23] <skiff_> Willdo
[02:23] <DaSkreech> welkome!
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: and for AIM, Gtalk and anything elese i might need
[02:23] <hitmanWilly> is it still gaim in the repos, or have they started calling it pidgin yet?
[02:24] <DaSkreech> !info pidgin
[02:24] <ubotu> Package pidgin does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> nah.. its still calledgaim in the repos
[02:24] <DaSkreech> gaim :)
[02:24] <hitmanWilly> guess so :P
[02:24] <stdin> v2.0 beta4 in feisty
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> beta 6.. actually
[02:24] <stdin> opps, yeah :p
[02:24] <skiff_> I like gaim better than pidgin
[02:25] <hitmanWilly> me neither, that's why i was asking :P
[02:26] <skiff_> Sysinfo for 'LinuxBox': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2400+ at 1996 MHz (3997 bogomips), , RAM: 401/503MB, 112 proc's, 6.20h up
[02:26] <skiff_> sorry
[02:26] <skiff_> just testing konversations
[02:26] <skiff_> damn is that ram in USE or free lol
[02:27] <DaSkreech> in USE
[02:27] <skiff_> cuz if thats used Im screwed ;)
[02:27] <skiff_> not to worry Im getting another gb
[02:27] <skiff_> for this box
[02:27] <dhiogjen> ARGH!!!!!!!
[02:27] <mahdi> anyone know a good pdf editor?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> skiff_: its used, but its also cached..
[02:27] <dhiogjen> im about ready to tear my hair out
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: whats the problem.
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> skiff_: not necesarily bad, the kernel uses whatever it can for cacheing, and frees it as necessary
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> and don't do that.. it'll come out on its own
[02:28] <stdin> skiff_: most of that will be cache, just run "free -om" to see
[02:28] <skiff_> ah I see
[02:28] <skiff_> thanks again
[02:28] <dhiogjen> the integrated graphics weren't working so i installed an old ati card i had.  and after reconfiguring xorg and installing the fglrx drivers, it still defaults back to the mesa inderect glx renderer
[02:28] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: ^^
[02:28] <DaSkreech> skiff_: nope Linux will use up all your RAM no matter how much you have
[02:28] <skiff_> DaSkreech: is there a ready to go themes for konversations
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Umm
[02:29] <skiff_> DaSkreech: nice to know ;)
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Well you can skin the user list :)
[02:29] <DaSkreech> skiff_: Whats the point of RAM if you aren't using it? isn't that why you bought it?
[02:29] <stdin> you can change the background too
[02:29] <Skiff> DaSkreech, Im looking for something DARK
[02:29] <DaSkreech> stdin: You can?
[02:29] <stdin> yeah, of cource
[02:29] <DaSkreech> Skiff: looks like stdin can help you out
[02:29] <Skiff> DaSkreech, ok Ill play around see if I can make it dark themed
[02:30] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: any clue what i should do?
[02:30] <Skiff> nice
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> skiff I'm using 600 of my 880MB, 387 of which are chaches
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: you absolutely need 3d?
[02:30] <skiff_> cool
[02:30] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> hi
[02:30] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: yep
[02:31] <gan|y|med> can it be that a low latency kernel ends up being slower on desktop systems than the standard one???
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: how old is that ati card?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> whats a low latency kernel?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: likely
[02:32] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: do know why?
[02:32] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: in theory, it should be faster
[02:33] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: I guess cause it doesn't try to cache things it dumps as much as it can to make the next request faster
[02:33] <DaSkreech>  since it's expecting it to be different
[02:33] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: or not faster, but smoother
[02:33] <Skiff> stdin is there a community forum for konversation ?
[02:33] <DaSkreech> whereas a normal one tries to cache most oft requested commands assuming they will be called again in the future
[02:33] <DaSkreech> #konversation
[02:34] <stdin> Skiff: not sure, but feel free to join the channel ^^
[02:34] <gan|y|med> but doesn't caching increase calls significantly compared to grapping it from the hdd each time?
[02:34] <stdin> Skiff: Sho_ is the guy to talk to
[02:34] <Skiff> damn guys you are the best
[02:34] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: how can it if it's cached?
[02:34] <gan|y|med> so shouldn't this be what a low latency kernel does
[02:34] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a  USB drive enclosuer that also supports networking with "NDAS" mode. over the network. Never heard of NDAS befor. this supported under Linux as well?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> HDD == slooooow
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> HDD >=sloooooow
[02:35] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: i know, that's what i said. if low latency is meant to increase the responsiveness of a system, wouldn't it be logical, to assume a low latency kernel caches more than the normal one?
[02:36] <DaSkreech> I would think it streamlines more
[02:36] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: ask in ##linux
[02:36] <nahemoth__> How can I uninstal amsn 0.96 from synaptic??
[02:36] <gan|y|med> what do you mean with streamline?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> nahemoth__: seach for it, right click on it and say remove
[02:37] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: drop the overall average time which means having a overall streamline not just for some calls
[02:37] <DaSkreech> it's mostly used for constantly changing things like music or video
[02:37] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: 2000 i would guess. it's a radeon 7500
[02:37] <gan|y|med> ok, i see. i got to read more about it. i don't understand a word you are saying :)
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: compiled with minimum options enabled to hopefully speed it up
[02:38] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: this is just from my memory of theory. ask in ##linux they would give you a better and much more confusing explanation :)
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: it should be well supported by the Open source drivers, and if its that old, it won't be supported at all by the fglrx
[02:38] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: ok.... so what should i do?
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: ace_ace: problem: starting up OpenOffice (2.2) and clicking on 'file' freezes the machine, in the following way:
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:19 PM) rebecca_ left the room (quit: No route to host).
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:23 PM) ace_ace: 1. all processes go on their normal way
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:20:38 PM) ace_ace: 2. on my 3-head machine, I am stuck inside the screen that displays openoffice
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:06 PM) ace_ace: 3. the mouse moves stuteringly, jagging, very slow near the edges of the screen
[02:38] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:36 PM) ace_ace: 4. I can not access any kde functions like taskbar, alt-tab, alt-f2, alt-esc
[02:39] <ace_ace> (06:22:20 PM) ace_ace: (06:21:59 PM) ace_ace: From a remote terminal I killed all openoffice processes, but that didn't help
[02:39] <ace_ace> (06:24:29 PM) ace_ace: in earlier days, this was probably due to gam_server but it seems gam_server is not running
[02:39] <gan|y|med> thx a lot
[02:39] <gan|y|med> i am asking. let's see if i can get my machine a bot faster...
[02:39] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: using the default xserver ati option makes it so no program reccognizes i have a graphics  card
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: say again?
[02:41] <Kurtiz> Greetings. Trying to burn the DVD image ISO using CDBurnerXP Pro 3, but it complains that the image is too large even though the DVD media has more than enough space. Am I missing something? Should I try different burning software and if so which? Thanks for any help.
[02:41] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: if i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and select the ati driver, then none of the programs reccognize that i have 3d acceleration. so programs like blender and google earth dont work
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Kurtiz: use K3B
[02:41] <Kurtiz> Chicken Egg my friend
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> Kurtiz- I'm pretty sure I used CDBXP to burn the DVD, so it should work
[02:42] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: You missed the name of the app he's using :)
[02:42] <Dragnslcr> Make sure you selected "burn DVD" and not "burn CD"
[02:42] <stdin> Kurtiz: k3b definitely
[02:42] <Kurtiz> Or does K3B run in XP?
[02:42] <gan|y|med> dhiogjen: sorry to interrupt, but have you ever tried k3d with the ati drivers?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> stdin: read before answering
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Kurtiz: It will one day :)
[02:42] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: i've never even heard of k3d
[02:42] <dhiogjen> gan|y|med: what is it?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.. gotcha. I think you have to do a special procedure with ati cards to get their 3d accel features
[02:42] <DaSkreech> !info k3d
[02:43] <ubotu> k3d: 3D modeling and animation system. In component universe, is optional.  If I use the Burn disk from ISO it goes through the motions but with in seconds (like 5 seconds) it's "done" writing. Trying to drag drop the ISO in the main window causes it to complain about the space
[02:47] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: http://paste.debian.net/29137
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> gracias
[02:47] <bacongrease> hi all, have a newbie question, plz help
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: ask away!
[02:48] <dhiogjen> yes, away from hear
[02:48] <dhiogjen> here*
[02:48] <dhiogjen> just kidding :-P
[02:48] <bacongrease> just installed ubuntu 7.04 for the first time ever.  video card is xstasy 6954 (gforce 3 ti500), connected to LCD monitor by DVI
[02:48] <NotFaint> Heh, I came in here to ask if there was any chance that while compiling the kernel fakeroot might just not ever give the command line back to me and I'd have to manually terminate it, but then it finished.
[02:48] <bacongrease> on graphics option, im only getting 800x600 and 1024x768, not my native monitor res (1280x1024)
[02:48] <bacongrease> is it a known limitation of the packaged ubuntu driver & my vid card?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: now your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: install nvidia-glx-legacy
[02:49] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: the default (open) driver for nvidia is very limited
[02:49] <bacongrease> as a side note, i just replaced a radeon 8500le...that one displayed 1280x1024 on ubuntu, but caused crashing problems (fan was failing on the gpu)... so i made a completely fresh ubuntu install with this geforce
[02:49] <dhiogjen> bacongrease: i dont know how to help you. but i suggest if you end up failing, to use kanotix instead.  it has a reputation for being very compatible with a huge number of hardwares.  and automates most of the complicated install tasks you dont want todeal with in other distros
[02:50] <dhiogjen> bacongrease: all in all, a good distro to start in
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> so is this so shut up... ;)
[02:50] <bacongrease> i agree, it was incredibly painless...took me about 5 mouseclicks to install a new OS
[02:50] <ace_ace> bummer... I tried to log in, and it worked, but now only the left screen and the right screen are knwo to X, and the mouse just skips the middle screen
[02:50] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: haha, i've been using linux for an year now, and each time i pop in ubuntu, i get a headache in return
[02:50] <bacongrease> a few years i tried getting on with redhat 6...whew ...made me compile kernels and etc to get my hardware to work!
[02:50] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: you're better off trying the proprietary ones from nvidia
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: this is kubuntu.
[02:51] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: it's ubuntu with kde
[02:51] <ace_ace> I hit alt-ctrl-backspace and the machine definately hung,. I cold-booted and now I get a lot of ext3 journal replaying, but he middle screen is available again
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: yeah, install "nvidia-glx-legacy"
[02:51] <ace_ace> man this is getting worse than windows
[02:51] <hitmanWilly> actually, bacongrease, have you tried changing around xorg.conf?
[02:51] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: anyway, this is for my grandfather, his windows broke :-P
[02:51] <bacongrease> hitman:  no, nothing yet...absolutely nothing
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: xorg.conf please.
[02:52] <dhiogjen> he absolutely needs google earth
[02:52] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Except you can actually find out what is breaking
[02:52] <ace_ace> really  I choose linux to not have sudden crashes and freezes
[02:52] <hitmanWilly> !xorg | bacongrease
[02:52] <ubotu> bacongrease: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:52] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: howdy. Is that true ? My limited knowledge (linux since 1992) is not sufficient !
[02:53] <bacongrease> nosrednaekim:  where is this nvidia-glx-legacy, will it appear in the ubuntu installer app?  im at nvidia page right now... do u recommend it over the driver on nvidia website?
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: try the link from ubotu up there
[02:53] <bacongrease> thnx guys
[02:53] <wolferine> evening :)
[02:53] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: sure if you really want to find out. What drivers are you using?
[02:53] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: http://paste.debian.net/29138
[02:53] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I wanted to save my session, lots of desktops, open stuff and so, could I have saved the session some way ?
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> bacongrease: no it should be in adept or synaptic (depending on which you use)
[02:53] <hitmanWilly> bacongrease: also, use stuff from the repos vice downloading whenever possible
[02:53] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: sometimes I get very tired. Do you think my problem has to do with... ughhh,,, drivers ?
[02:54] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  the 'drivers' all work fine, always. I think one is nv, one ati and one intel (3 screens)
[02:54] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: I don't know but it may
[02:54] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: OpenOffice freezes when trying to file->open (this has been a problem since dapper)
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: I BELIEVE you have to have a 'Load "drm"'  in that list of modules, but I don't remember where
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Well those are all open source so you are in good company :)
[02:55] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: hmmmm
[02:55] <jovino> Hello
[02:55] <dhiogjen> anyone agree with nosrednaekim theory?
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: and from then on I can not get my mous out ofe the screen that OO is in, I am 'stuck' in that screen
[02:55] <dhiogjen> or no more about it?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: lemme see what I can google up...
[02:55] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: cool
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  and NOTHING gets me out of that - alt-esc, alt-tab, alt-ctrl-f1
[02:55] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: but I can rmeote loging to the machine!
[02:56] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: for me, looks like NOT a driver problem, what do you think !?
[02:56] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Yeah that doesn't sound like one
[02:56] <DaSkreech>  have you tried to open OO from the command line?
[02:56] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I could alt-backspace but didn't want that becaus3e open stuff ....
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.. getting some good stuff
[02:57] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: from the cmd ? While the problem was happening ? The problem happen onlyh sometimes
[02:57] <DaSkreech> if you can remote connect just kill openoffice
[02:57] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: tried that, did NOT work. Tel you what: even when the screensaver kicked in, that middle screen kept dispalying OO.
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Hmmm
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: and when I hit a key and expected to see my screen saver password dialog, I got.... the Kubuntu login screen!
[02:58] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: hahaha, you remind me of a really awesome robot
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: apparently X restarted itself !
[02:58] <DaSkreech> !xinerama
[02:58] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:58] <DaSkreech> !Dualhead
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[02:58] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: I use xinerama on the 3 screens!
[02:59] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: but after that login, only 2 screenw here used, and the middel STILL dispaluyed the haunted OO session!
[02:59] <ace_ace> I have !TripleHead
[02:59] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: well look at that URL to see if there is a step you missed
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok. ya just want to try it? put "load "drm"" in that list, at the bottom
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> nosrednaekim: you can always remove it
[02:59] <dhiogjen> ok
[02:59] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: Well I know I would put that screen on the end to see if it is related to the Video card it's attached to
[02:59] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: everything worked fine for many mionths! It's definetely rto do with OO and File->Open !
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: come on bro,
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Oh
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: Okay.
[03:00] <DaSkreech> I thought that this was something that happened more than a few times
[03:00] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: it's reallyh awonderfull systen: Kubuntu with 3 screens and 10 desktops !
[03:00] <DaSkreech> which version of OO.o do you have?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> I know the new release has fixes for xinerama
[03:01] <ace_ace> DaSkreech:  it did happen under Dapper too, sometimes, ALWAYS with file->open or file->save(as)
[03:01] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: where in the list should i put this?
[03:01] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: Oo: the version tha comes with Feisty (2.2)
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: just second....
[03:02] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: should I look in kubuntu-dev or file a bur report ! (I just lost about an hour of work because of the crash)
[03:02] <ace_ace> bur=bug
[03:02] <DaSkreech> ace_ace: OO.o didn't recover it when it restarted?
[03:02] <ace_ace> DaSkreech: it's not OO work I lost.
[03:02] <DaSkreech> oh!
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Yeah that sounds like a very valid reason to file a bug
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-32015.html
[03:03] <draik> How do I revert on an install?
[03:03] <draik> I keep having nspluginscan crash 8 times
[03:04] <ace_ace> Thx DaSkreech!
[03:05] <draik> Any ideas how to remove whatever is causing the crash?
[03:06] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: that xorg.conf file look drastically different from mine
[03:06] <dhiogjen> looks*
[03:07] <dhiogjen> eh forget it
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: yeah... why don't you just copy the "module" part?
[03:07] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: because i'm tired
[03:07] <draik> How do you force a removal of libpango1.0-0?
[03:07] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: forget it , thanks for your help.  i'll just install kanotix on here
[03:07] <dhiogjen> or if worse comes to worste.... windows
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: ok.!
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> *gasp*
[03:07] <dhiogjen> hahaa
[03:08] <dhiogjen> alright
[03:08] <dhiogjen> thanks again for the help
[03:08] <dhiogjen> i appreciate it
[03:08] <dhiogjen> g'night
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: eh.. I didn't do anything!
[03:08] <nosrednaekim>  and you
[03:08] <dhiogjen> nosrednaekim: you tried. and i did less :-P
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> dhiogjen: lol.
[03:12] <bacongrease> how do i quickly change from current user to Root?
[03:13] <rstob911> ctl alt backspace
[03:13] <Jucato> !sudo | bacongrease
[03:13] <ubotu> bacongrease: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:14] <dr_willis> bacongrease,  clarify the phrase 'change' :)
[03:14] <dr_willis>  fire up a terminal, sudo -s  - do rooty things in there.. close when done.
[03:14] <bacongrease> so thats what sudo means... many thanks
[03:17] <bacongrease> okay, im doing rooty things in terminal (backed up xorg.cnfg), however, id like to use gedit to edit the file in the gnome graphics interface... cant save file there because im not root there
[03:17] <kgx> bacongrease: Super User DO to be precise ;)
[03:18] <lycus_setesh> Ok - I feel like a complete fool asking this, but where do I change the screen resolution of my desktop? I am using KDE 3.5
[03:18] <Jucato> !kdesu | bacongrease
[03:18] <ubotu> bacongrease: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:18] <DaSkreech> lycus_setesh: Alt+space -> System settings -> display
[03:18] <Jucato> bacongrease: also, we don't have gedit here, because that's a GNOME app. we use kate instead
[03:19] <bacongrease> !gksudo
[03:19] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[03:19] <draik> Hello Jucato
[03:19] <Jucato> draik!!!!!!!!!!!!! long time no see!!!!
[03:19] <Jucato> :D
[03:19] <draik> LOL
[03:19] <aseigo> the best way:
[03:19] <lycus_setesh> Sorry - was disconnected. Could someone tell me how to change my resolution in Feisty Fawn with KDE 3.5?
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Right
[03:19] <DaSkreech> lycus_setesh: Alt+space -> System settings -> display
[03:20] <DaSkreech> Fox has bought themovie rigths for the Sims
[03:20] <aseigo> start kwrite; open file<EMAIL_ADDRESS>=) well, assuming you have a root password set
[03:20] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: System Settings -> Monitor & Display (repeating what DaSkreech said)
[03:20] <DaSkreech> I need some of that stuff they sniff
[03:20] <aseigo> that way you'r enot running the GUI as root
[03:20] <aseigo> just the file access
[03:20] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: I don't see a Monitor & Display section under System Settings
[03:20] <illriginal> Hey guys, I'm trying to get a driver for my wireless usb adapter, and I'm gettin this error in terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/517413
[03:21] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: you don't? as in the System Settings from K Menu?
[03:21] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: Correct.
[03:21] <DaSkreech>  lycus_setesh: Under Computer administration ?
[03:21] <Jucato> lycus_setesh: can you check if you have kde-guidance installed?
[03:22] <lycus_setesh> Jucato: I did not. I am installing it now.
[03:22] <Jucato> aseigo: unfortunately Kubuntu doesn't have a root password set by default. but that's a nice workaround :)
[03:23] <Jucato> aseigo: is it safer than using kdesu kwrite?
[03:23] <aseigo> Jucato: definitely
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: yeah
[03:23] <Jucato> too bad we can't make it work with sudo :(
[03:24] <aseigo> running GUIs as root is just a very bad idea as the amount of auditing done on the gui toolkits and support infrastructure is very low
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Only that one document is open as root
[03:24] <aseigo> it also takes a lot less memory since you aren't loading a bunch of stuff specific to that other user (root)
[03:24] <DaSkreech> aseigo:  is that just cause? or can they be coded tighter?
[03:24] <aseigo> so it's safer and better on resources
[03:25] <aseigo> you can also use it even when the machine is across the room. or the world.
[03:25] <DaSkreech> aseigo: also kio slaves FTW! :)
[03:25] <Jucato> bah! I can't make it work on Gentoo :P
[03:25] <aseigo> DaSkreech: interaction of the GUI (from x on up) is just insanely complex. the application code is pretty decent, but it's highly circumspect to run things as root
[03:26] <aseigo> Jucato: you need ssh running as well, obviously
[03:26] <Jucato> er.. right :)
[03:26] <aseigo> interestingly, in kde4 we may well may be using a similar concept to avoid loading control panels as root for admin task
[03:26] <richardinglis> hi everyone, i have just installed kubuntu feisty on a single hdd, which was previously completely used by xp and ntfs
[03:26] <aseigo> er, tasks
[03:26] <DaSkreech> aseigo: ok I'll think about that some more then ....
[03:27] <richardinglis> when i was installing with ubiquity, i resized the partition, but i didn't give enough space to kubuntu
[03:27] <aseigo> we just started looking into using policykit for that instead... so faster loading admin panels with a -much- better security profile
[03:27] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: Welkome to Kubuntu!
[03:27] <richardinglis> not that i have installed kubuntu and am using it, is there any way to use more of the ntfs space?
[03:27] <richardinglis> DaSkreech: thanks! :)
[03:27] <DaSkreech> !ntfs
[03:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:27] <DaSkreech> !ntfs-3g
[03:27] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[03:27] <gan|y|med> any experience with the  Planet CCRMA kernel in ubuntu??
[03:27] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: ^^^
[03:28] <Jucato> aseigo: oh kool!!! and if we could somehow make that work for individual files, like what you demonstrated... wow :)
[03:28] <richardinglis> hey, i don't want to just view ntfs, i want to resize the ntfs partition and add the space to my ext3 partition?
[03:28] <richardinglis> is that possible?
[03:28] <richardinglis> i already have ntfs-3g installed
[03:28] <richardinglis> and i was just looking at qtparted
[03:28] <richardinglis> but that doesn't seem to have any option to resize
[03:28] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: I think that ntfs-3g has a ntfs-resize
[03:29] <Jucato> aseigo: kool! it works :)
[03:29] <richardinglis> DaSkreech: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/features.en.html
[03:29] <richardinglis> that seems to suggest it resizes things? :)
[03:29] <DaSkreech> richardinglis: :-)
[03:29] <richardinglis> but i can't find out where! :(
[03:32] <fogwar> what does everyone think about Dell and ubuntu? lol
[03:32] <ace_suares> test
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> I think I wouldn't buy a Dell.
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> :-P
[03:32] <lycus_setesh> Well, new...
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> ace_suares: test good :)
[03:33] <ace_suares> hitmanWilly: not really I need to register to do private msg, can I pm you to test ?
[03:34] <fogwar> lol
[03:36] <dr_willis> the Dell Laptops seemed ok.. but the desktop box's seemed a little over priced.
[03:36] <dr_willis> But i picked up a $350 laptop today.. so that may become my new Linux laptop soon
[03:37] <dwidmann> fogwar: I'm actually thinking really hard about it ... might actually get a laptop from them (even though I previously didn't consider them) when I have the money
[03:38] <fogwar> yeah i knwoo
[03:38] <fogwar> what a move though, ya know
[03:39] <smithw> Hello everyone. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 on my PC and I'm having some troubles with the Wifi. The driver seems to be working (since KNetworkManager can correctly detect the name of my network), but I can't connect. When I searched Google, most of the tutorials and how-to's I found were about getting the drivers, which it doesn't seem to be the case. There were only one page on Ubuntu Wiki (whose address I seem to have lost) whi
[03:39] <smithw> ch explained a bit about changing /etc/network/interfaces, but editing that didn't work either. My Wifi network does not have a DHCP server, so I must configure IP, Mask and Gatewar manually, and it's uses WEP encryption, in "shared" mode. The access point (which is in fact a computer running Mac OS X 10.4.9) is perfectly accessible by the same PC when running Windows, so I don't think there is any problem with the server. What do y
[03:39] <smithw> ou think I should try next to make it work?
[03:39] <hitmanWilly> well, with Michael Dell taking back over, things might actually start improving around there...
[03:39] <dwidmann> last time I looked at system76, a lot of the stuff was out of t he date ... what can I say, I'm picky about my hardware
[03:40] <NotFaint> So I recompiled my kernel, and got the deb packages, and installed those with dpkg -i, and rebooted, and it configured GRUB for it and everything, and the list of kernels is there in GRUB, and it looks like menu.lst is pointing to the right partitions, but I get a "can't mount selected partition" error no matter what kernel I select.
[03:40] <dwidmann> *out of
[03:40] <Jucato> so it still won't continue?
[03:40] <hitmanWilly> dwidmann: i usually am, but for laptops not so much
[03:40] <Jucato> er wrong windows sorry
[03:41] <NotFaint> (Something went wrong with my window here, did anybody get my last message?)
[03:41] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: about the kernel? then yes
[03:41] <NotFaint> The very one.
[03:42] <NotFaint> The kernel seemed to compile OK (not that I'd really know), and it happens no matter what kernel I select from GRUB, so I wonder if the problem is with GRUB.
[03:42] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: are all the filesystem types compiled directly in or as modules?
[03:43] <Zeelot> heylooo
[03:43] <dwidmann> NotFaint: probably grub, it might be pointing to the wrong partition, or the wrong drive
[03:43] <Nivuahc> I'm hitting a bit of a brick wal and wondering... would anyone be willing to offer me some assitance concerning dpkg?
[03:43] <Nivuahc> *wall
[03:43] <Minataku> Damnit, dr_willis, you keep disappearing before I check back in here XD
[03:43] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: Well, I used the old .config to start from, so the filesystem modules or whatever are all as they were, as far as I know.
[03:43] <hitmanWilly> ok, that should be fine then, so yes its probably grub
[03:43] <NotFaint> dwidmann: menu.lst looks right, is there another file I should check?
[03:44] <illriginal> poningru im back!
[03:44] <Zeelot> is there a way to put HDD icons of mounted drives on the desktop?
[03:44] <dr_willis> Minataku,  huh?
[03:44] <Minataku> Yay!
[03:44] <Minataku> I caught you this time
[03:44] <dr_willis> working on my new $350 laptop!
[03:44] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: I did change some things, but not filesystem stuff, and the old kernel doesn't boot either, as further confirmation that it's probably GRUB.
[03:44] <dr_willis> heh heh
[03:44] <Minataku> dr_willis: Ah!
[03:44] <Minataku> Specs? :D
[03:44] <dr_willis> special 1 day sale. Semperon 3000 cpu.
[03:44] <dwidmann> NotFaint: well, you say it looks right ... even so, best double check, also checking in with the file device.map
[03:44] <Minataku> AMD... no wonder it was on sale
[03:45] <dr_willis> minimal ram/hd/ but 15 in screen. For $350 - its ok.
[03:45] <Minataku> Yeah
[03:45] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: did you switch the drive boot order in bios?
[03:45] <dr_willis> was reguallry like $600
[03:45] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: how much?
[03:45] <Nivuahc> anyone?
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: Not bad
[03:45] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  $350
[03:45] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: no, only recompiled the kernel
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Which wall ?
[03:45] <NotFaint> dwidmann: that's somewhere in /boot right?
[03:45] <dr_willis> its for the wife - this way i get my old laptop back
[03:45] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: inclusive of shipping? :)
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: Say, how's the garage look? ( Don't mean to rush you, of course ;3 )
[03:45] <dr_willis> Now she has to learn to use Vista
[03:45] <NotFaint> I don't think it's a disk issue because I can mount from the liveCD just fine and it reads.
[03:45] <dwidmann> /boot/grub
[03:45] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  got it at the store. :)
[03:45] <Minataku> dr_willis: The hell she does. Kubuntu it.
[03:45] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, the deb may have screwed up grub...
[03:45] <Nivuahc> when I run dpkg --configure -a my computer locks up every time it gets to initrd.something or other
[03:46] <dr_willis> I should put kubuntu on it and tell her its the New Vista :)
[03:46] <Minataku> Heehee
[03:46] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: How does that happen?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: hoard lock up?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> hard
[03:46] <Nivuahc> yes
[03:46] <dr_willis> 'sorry honey - vista wont run AOL instant messenger. ya got to use GAIM'
[03:46] <Nivuahc> everything freezes
[03:46] <dwidmann> dr_willis: thought it was pidgin? :P
[03:46] <NotFaint> dwidmann: device.map says (hd0) /dev/hda
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: debs can change around files sometimes
[03:47] <dwidmann> hm, so only one drive, hard to go wrong with that then notfaint
[03:47] <NotFaint> And AFAIK /dev/hda is my hd.
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: you are installing a new kernel?
[03:47] <NotFaint> Er, wait
[03:47] <NotFaint> Should device.map include (hd1) /dev/hda1 and so on?
[03:47] <NotFaint> Because if so, that should do it...
[03:47] <Nivuahc> I did the update via Adept
[03:48] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint syntax error
[03:48] <Nivuahc> linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.28 is the last entry in the log
[03:48] <Nivuahc> and this is a fresh install of Feisty
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint syntax error   hd0 = first hd    hd1 = second hd
[03:48] <NotFaint> intelikey: If I copy the current line in device.map and just edit the numbers, am I OK?
[03:48] <NotFaint> intelikey: oh, it's hd0,1 and so on then?
[03:48] <dwidmann> mmhmm
[03:48] <intelikey> NotFaint not in the devices.map file
[03:48] <NotFaint> I guess I can kinda see how that would cause error 17
[03:49] <NotFaint> erk
[03:49] <dr_willis> Minataku,  well so far vista has been failing miserably on its 'features' :) easy settings/file transfer wizard - FAILED... :)
[03:49] <NotFaint> OK, so do I or do I not have to add lines to device.map?
[03:49] <intelikey> NotFaint how many hd's do you have ?
[03:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Haha
[03:49] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: the update via Adept locked up the machine and, when I got back in I opened a console and ran dpkg --configure -a
[03:49] <NotFaint> intelikey: One HD, 4 partitions (2 active, 2 in extended)
[03:49] <dr_willis> Minataku,  wireless wasent working.. failed with some " Failed: unknown error" :)
[03:50] <NotFaint> er
[03:50] <NotFaint> 2 primary, not 2 active, hah
[03:50] <intelikey> NotFaint then there should be one line in the devices.map file
[03:50] <Minataku> dr_willis: So verbose
[03:50] <Minataku> XD
[03:50] <NotFaint> intelikey: OK, so GRUB is aware of the partitions on that device without me specifying, or is there another file somewhere I need to make sure my partitions are listed in?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Hmm which update?
[03:51] <intelikey> NotFaint grub is aware of what bios is aware of.
[03:51] <Nivuahc> linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic 2.6.20-16.28
[03:51] <NotFaint> intelikey: Well, it was aware of the partitions before. So I don't think it's the BIOS, then.
[03:51] <Nivuahc> just installed Feisty clean, today and ran Adept once logged in
[03:51] <dwidmann> notfaint, so long as grub is aware of the partition types being used (and it should be), the only lines you should really need to worry about are in the menu.lst
[03:51] <richardinglis_> hey everyone, i am trying to resize an ntfs partition and then transfer that space to my ext3 partition - i have installed ntfs-3g config and progs and qtparted but am unsure how to proceed - does anyone know?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: Don't know if it helps you but I almost never install a new kernel unless I need to :(
[03:52] <NotFaint> Oh, wait, wait
[03:53] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: any idea why initrd would lock up the machine?
[03:53] <NotFaint> I'm not sure I remember this right -- but is the first partition hd0,0, and the second hd0,1?
[03:53] <intelikey> NotFaint yes it is...    thus (hd0.0) (hd0.1) (hd0.2) in the menu.lst file with corisponding kernel/chainloader lines will boot what ever is there.
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes...
[03:53] <NotFaint> or is hd0,0 the MBR, and from there you have 0,1 is the first one that is a real partition or whatever
[03:53] <intelikey> nope.
[03:53] <fogwar> DaSkreech: hey man sory to bother but i havnt been able to conenct to my router or my printer i dunno ? lol
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: hd(0,0) is the first partition
[03:54] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: do you know of any way to clear this entry out so apt-get will work properly?
[03:54] <K1765> Hey guys, Konsole says "nvidia-installer must be run as root", how do I login as root
[03:54] <DaSkreech> fogwar: can you connect to anything else?
[03:54] <NotFaint> OK. So Kubuntu is on my second partition, and it's trying to load that from hd(0,2) -- so I change that to 0,1?
[03:54] <Dragnslcr> K1765- you use sudo to run it as root
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: yes :)
[03:54] <fogwar> only 2 things on my netwrok... i have internet connection tho
[03:54] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Ping
[03:54] <K1765> ahhhh ok ty
[03:54] <dr_willis> Minataku,  heres a good message "My Music is a System Folder - and is REQUIRED for windows to run Properly - and can not be moved or renamed"
[03:54] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  nope. sorry.
[03:54] <m_> K1765: "sudo nvidia-installer"
[03:54] <Jucato> DaSkreech: pong?
[03:55] <fogwar> DaSkreech: only 2 things on my netwrok... i have internet connection tho
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: how do you clear the list of things to be installed
[03:55] <intelikey> NotFaint (hd0,1)
[03:55] <Minataku> dr_willis: HAHAHAHAHA
[03:55] <K1765> It says now, You appear to be running an X server, please exit X before installing.. what the heck
[03:55] <DaSkreech> fogwar: can you ping the router?
[03:55] <Jucato> DaSkreech: clear? where?
[03:55] <NotFaint> Well, why would installing a kernel deb file change that? I'm perplexed. It didn't do anything but shift those numbers up by one. Everything else is configured the same. My WinXP install is still on the menu and everything.
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: you know when apt crashes for whatever reason
[03:55] <intelikey> NotFaint it didn't.
[03:55] <Jucato> !adeptfix | DaSkreech
[03:55] <ubotu> DaSkreech: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:55] <DaSkreech> you install anything else then it completes the list?
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: wow, thats really dumb...
[03:55] <NotFaint> intelikey: Then what changed?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Jucato: here's the thing sudo dpkg --configure -a causes the machine to lock up
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint but installing a kernel will rewrite your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint that's where to look.
[03:56] <NotFaint> intelikey: Oh. Well I'll look out for that in the future, hah. Why would it rewrite it WRONG?
[03:56] <Jucato> DaSkreech: hm... :/
[03:56] <intelikey> NotFaint in some cases yes.
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: it was looking for the kernel image on the wrong (probably nonexistant) partition
[03:57] <intelikey> NotFaint it's not "supposed to"  but that's hardly worth the air it's spoken over....
[03:57] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: And since I didn't manually set that up before compiling it... ?
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> NotFaint: it should be fixed now
[03:57] <dwidmann> hitmanWilly: NotFaint: Hah, does it to me all the time actually (because my motherboard is screwy)
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> none of this make kpkg crap
[03:58] <NotFaint> hitmanWilly: You mean ceramic magnets held over your hard drive in a special pattern?
[03:58] <NotFaint> :P
[03:58] <hitmanWilly> yes, then hit them with rocks XD
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> ugh, me makee kernel
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Jucato: initrd crashes the machine
[04:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: why?
[04:00] <daaaman64> anybody have any porblems with the kernel update I am being prompted about this morning?   I don't want any problems....
[04:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: oh the new kernel? big trouble :(
[04:00] <intelikey> DaSkreech why not ?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: right so how do you clear the list?
[04:00] <Jucato> DaSkreech: that's the only way I know of. you can also try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:00] <NotFaint> Alright, well, I'm gonna see if this works, and if it does, you probably won't see me until next problem. :P Thanks, all.
[04:01] <Admiral_Chicago> daaaman64: you can read the changelog on the kernel and see if you need it
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: that still installs
[04:01] <daaaman64> Admiral_Chicago: ok I just don't want to have issues on my vacation. Thanks.
[04:02] <Admiral_Chicago> kernels rarely break things, amd GRUB will let you chose an older kernel
[04:02] <Minataku> dr_willis: I upgraded my Macintosh Classic
[04:02] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: I tried --purge and --remove but both give dependency errors and refuse
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: it is breaking things
[04:02] <Minataku> Added 2MB of RAM to it, for a total of 4MB of RAM
[04:02] <dr_willis> Minataku,  heh heh - i got one of those still :)
[04:02] <strabes> Nivuahc: use force
[04:02] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: installing it crashes the computer at initrd
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  i want to put in an EPIA motherboard. and a little LCD screen.. but cant find one.
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: Speaking of, is that garage safe yet?
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: I had that idea today
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  also not sure how to  get the original keyboard working
[04:03] <Minataku> But then, it's a fully working Macintosh Classic
[04:03] <intelikey> "kernels rarely break things,"   then why would there ever be a patch ?
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  been running around all day :)  not had time to get out there.
[04:03] <Minataku> So I don't quite want to do that
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Admiral_Chicago: can you expunge the list of things that are to be installed
[04:03] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee
[04:03] <Admiral_Chicago> DaSkreech: really? first I heard of a new kernel.
[04:03] <dr_willis> Minataku,  too many specialized machines. :) when i can use emulators. heh
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Just remember, you said I could have those Amigas... and anything else you don't want that I do :D
[04:04] <Minataku> I'm up to 22 machines
[04:04] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, I meant to say something different...
[04:04] <dr_willis> Minataku,  come mow my lawn and clean out the pool for me. :)
[04:04] <Minataku> Always looking for more
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, I said I'd pay shipping, at least ;3
[04:04] <dr_willis> HOW can swimming Pools get so filthy...
[04:04] <dr_willis> it looks like a fish pond. :)
[04:04] <Minataku> dr_willis: Simple. Because you don't want them to.
[04:05] <dr_willis> Cousian had TadPoles in hers..
[04:05] <dr_willis> then had frogs...
[04:05] <dr_willis> then dead frogs...
[04:05] <DaSkreech> then hail!
[04:05] <dr_willis> Thats not good for the filters.
[04:05] <Admiral_Chicago> dr_willis: offtopic Z)
[04:05] <DaSkreech> and gnats locusts and darkness
[04:05] <Minataku> Haha
[04:05] <dr_willis> Frogbuntu!
[04:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech and flys
[04:05] <Minataku> Admiral_Chicago: If it's about me getting free old computers, it's on topic
[04:05] <Minataku> XD
[04:06] <dr_willis> Heh.
[04:06] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, sorry, I get excited
[04:06] <angasule> konqueror seems to display gmail.com as xml text, not html, anyone experienced this?
[04:06] <Minataku> I don't have any Amigas yet, and they're incredibly hard to find
[04:06] <dr_willis> they are?
[04:06] <Minataku> Around here, anyway
[04:06] <dr_willis> ebay had tons last i looked.
[04:06] <Minataku> Bah... eBay pisses me off
[04:07] <Minataku> More specifically, people outbidding me on eBay piss me off
[04:07] <dr_willis> never bought anything on ebay :)
[04:07] <Minataku> Which is why I figured I'd just ask you for your "trash" when you clean out your garage :D
[04:07] <stdin> Minataku: dude, -offtopic :p
[04:07] <dr_willis> i keep ebay away from the wife.. she would buy too much
[04:07] <intelikey> only shil's
[04:08] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heehee, I know I have to keep myself in tight check, too
[04:08] <intelikey> or is that two l's ?
[04:08] <dr_willis> gmail seems to be working for me fine in Konqueror
[04:08] <Minataku> I use Firefox, so, yeah
[04:08] <dr_willis> oh wait.. i spoke too soon
[04:08] <Minataku> Can't help. Sorry. >.<
[04:08] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: how goes?
[04:09] <dr_willis> gmail mail page/newmail - looks like garbbage to me under Konqueror
[04:09] <dr_willis> the page befor that looked ok
[04:09] <Nivuahc> I've been trying to take out things one at a time and I'm about to try --configure again
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: same here :(
[04:10] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: you think it's a temporary google hiccup?
[04:10] <stdin> hola Hobbsee :)
[04:10] <Minataku> Could be
[04:10] <angasule> dr_willis: I just installed feisty so... I'm unsure
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Can you clear the list of of programs to install from apt
[04:11] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: huh?
[04:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech aptitude maybe.
[04:11] <Minataku> WFM in Firefox <IP_ADDRESS> on Gentoo
[04:11] <DaSkreech> intelikey: aptitude what?
[04:11] <jasant> hi every body
[04:11] <intelikey> DaSkreech the program.      sudo aptitude
[04:12] <DaSkreech> intelikey: to clear the list?
[04:12] <intelikey> yes
[04:12] <BluesKaj> I like Opera's download manager. It has the ability to read and download pdf files that FF and konq can't handle.
[04:12] <dr_willis> angasule,  i think so
[04:12] <angasule> dr_willis: ok, cool
[04:12] <intelikey> i make you no promices DaSkreech but i think you can from there
[04:12] <jasant> opera is the best
[04:13] <jasant> hola, algun latino por estos rumbos
[04:13] <m_> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu. I can't find the upgrade for "My Blender" in Adept. So I'm stuck on figuring out how many shots of tequila to put in the margarita. Should I just drink straight out of the bottle? Something like "sudo apt-get install guzzle" ?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: someone has a problem where installing a program locks up the computer
[04:13] <BluesKaj> it's agood browser but it tries too hard to be like Netscape was in the 90s
[04:14] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: if they try to install anything it tries to complete the list of programs not yet installed which locks up the computer
[04:14] <hakaisou> m_  what?!
[04:14] <K1765> Who has installed a nvidia driver on kubuntu, if you have please private message me
[04:14] <m_> lol
[04:14] <m_> hey, it's a holiday
[04:14] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: then they need to use apt-get remove --purge

[04:15] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: you said you tried that?
[04:15] <stdin> !es | jasant
[04:15] <ubotu> jasant: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:15] <jasant> opera is to useaful
[04:15] <intelikey> m_ 3
[04:15] <BluesKaj> try this : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:15] <K1765> "
[04:15] <K1765> You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before
[04:15] <K1765>          installing.
[04:15] <Nivuahc> DaSkreech: I tried using --remove with dpkg
[04:15] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: that locks up the computer
[04:15] <K1765> Oops..
[04:15] <Skiff> how can I enabled my Audio (AC97) on NFORCE 2 mobo ? so I have sound in linux ?
[04:16] <K1765> What does this mean... "You appear to be running an X server"
[04:16] <stdin> K1765: use the ubuntu nvidia package :p
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: oh. try apt-get remove <package name> --purge
[04:16] <hakaisou> m_:  screw the flash.  pound that bottle like a red headded step child
[04:16] <K1765> Where can I get it stdin
[04:16] <stdin> !nvidia | K1765
[04:16] <ubotu> K1765: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:16] <BluesKaj> hmm DaSkreech , it unlocks the pkg manager when there broken pkgs still trying to install
[04:16] <m_> only 3?!?  Can someone FTP me a straw?
[04:16] <stdin> K1765: read the link from ubotu
[04:16] <K1765> Thanks
[04:16] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Right but installing the programs crashes the computer
[04:16] <m_> or an IV bag?
[04:16] <hakaisou> hold on m_
[04:17] <m_> is this a non-smoking channel? cuz I'm lightin' up a cig
[04:17] <intelikey> m_ 2
[04:18] <ace_suares> !ops look at m_
[04:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ops look at m_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:18] <ace_suares> !ops
[04:18] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[04:18] <BluesKaj> well  run it and see :) ... if it crashes, , reboot ... won't harm anything
[04:18] <m_> lol - new kernel update deserves tequila on behalf of the devs - ops look at m_
[04:18] <Jucato> m_: please keep on topic
[04:18] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:19] <m_> you guys are no fun. I answer and help here. can't I inject some humor?  sheesh
[04:19] <m_> free support - with a twist of lemon
[04:19] <stdin> m_: or take it to -offtopic, and have a good chat :)
[04:19] <hakaisou> there ya go m_  a nice bendy straw for ya
[04:19] <ace_suares> m_ how do I remove all files from /etc/X11/Session ?
[04:19] <nixternal> m_: please stay on topic or go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:19] <lordofthepigs> Hey, the last kernel update screwed up the hda->sda transition
[04:20] <lordofthepigs> I mean the transition didn't happen for me
[04:20] <Skiff> does anybody have that onboard audio (ac97) that they were able to enable? if so how can i do it ?
[04:20] <lordofthepigs> but the fstab was modified as if it did happen
[04:20] <stdin> K1765: Just follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#head-1549d676e3de65ec1342cf2c8e25df0d9745b5a7
[04:21] <BluesKaj> Skiff, is it listed if you do a 'lspci' ?
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: the ac97 uses the intel8x0 module iirc
[04:21] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, what does that mean?
[04:21] <lordofthepigs> It seems that the bugs.ubuntu.com suggests using UUID instead of hda, hdb to name the partitions: How can I find out the UUID of a partition?
[04:21] <intelikey> lordofthepigs so edit your fstab
[04:21] <jayteelin> Hi - I *can't* seem to boot the kubuntu liveCD on a dell e1505 (ati graphics card and intel 3945abg wireless card).  I never get a screen.
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: that's the kernel module that needs to be loaded for alsa to use it
[04:21] <intelikey> lordofthepigs blkid
[04:21] <jayteelin> when I hit ctrl+alt+f1, I can get a console
[04:22] <jayteelin> but it gives an error when I try startx
[04:22] <Skiff> BluesKaj, and hitmanWilly thats my lspci http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23014/
[04:22] <linuxnoob> moin moin
[04:22] <DaSkreech> jayteelin: do you have X running?
[04:22] <BluesKaj> ac97 is merely a standard , it isn't a make or model of soundcard
[04:22] <intelikey> lordofthepigs blkid  reads the UUID's
[04:22] <linuxnoob> <--- hilfe beim installieren von kubuntu braucht
[04:22] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, how do I load it
[04:22] <jayteelin> no...I had to re-boot back into vista (yuck) to get back on the internet
[04:22] <jayteelin> i'm currently using pidgin to get into IRC
[04:23] <DaSkreech> !de
[04:23] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:23] <stdin> !de | linuxnoob
[04:23] <ubotu> linuxnoob: please see above
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: with modprobe to test it
[04:23] <lordofthepigs> thanks intelikey, I'll try that
[04:23] <intelikey> lordofthepigs NOTE!  fstab is not needed to successfully boot a box,  if the issues is causing boot issues it's prolly grubish
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Nivuahc: how are you doing?
[04:23] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, " modprobe intel8x0 module iirc " ?
[04:23] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: do NTFS partitions have a UUID?
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: no, hold on
[04:23] <Skiff> or just  modprobe intel8x0
[04:24] <intelikey> lordofthepigs yes
[04:24] <Skiff> ok
[04:24] <jayteelin> DaSkreech: Is there a 'shortcut' way to get into the liveCD
[04:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I gotta ask you something
[04:24] <intelikey> DaSkreech shoot
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: try sudo lsmod to see if its already loaded
[04:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: how do you get a linux install portable between machines?
[04:24] <jayteelin> DaSkreech: I read somewhere about a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org or something like that?
[04:24] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: It actually boots fine, just my NTFS partitions are not mounted properly anymore. The default fstab entries have been correctly updated during the kernel upgrate
[04:24] <lordofthepigs> but NTFS entries were not
[04:24] <linuxnoob> i become no support in /de- channels - can anybody help me here ?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> jayteelin: oh live Cd. did you try safe graphics mode?
[04:25] <linuxnoob> all german gys sleeping ...
[04:25] <TheCreationist> Hey, guys... got a problem here.  I installed the command-line only version of Kubuntu (since nothing else would work).  How do I go about installing the entire KDE environment from the CL?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: Ask your question
[04:25] <jayteelin> that didn't work, either-  It still freezes at boot - x-server never seems to start
[04:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech some fancy scripting aka "knoppix technology"
[04:25] <stdin> linuxnoob: ask your question, we will try to help
[04:25] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:25] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, its not
[04:26] <intelikey> DaSkreech have a look at the way knoppix does it.   it's pretty awsum
[04:26] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: can you pastebin the output?
[04:26] <Skiff> yes
[04:26] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I seem to remember being able to take my linux install and take it anywhere. Now it seems locked to this motherboard
[04:26] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I tried that, but when I entered startx, it said unknown command.  So I installed the package xserver-xorg, and now it simply says there are "No screens."
[04:26] <linuxnoob> i had problems to install kubuntu from bootcd - he boot and say "kernel alive - kernel direkt mapping tables to ...... " and than i have a blackscreen
[04:26] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: Eh? :)
[04:26] <DaSkreech> you have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[04:26] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23015/
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage (and all packages associated with it).
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Do I need to reboot for that to take effect?
[04:27] <BluesKaj> Skiff, nForce2 External soundcard ?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: Yeah sure
[04:27] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Ah... didn't think of that one ;)
[04:27] <Skiff> BluesKaj, well not external its built in
[04:27] <jayteelin> i've heard that my issue is related to the ATI X1400 graphics card built-in to the e1505 laptop
[04:27] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: I'll give that a try, I guess... but I don't see how that would help lol
[04:27] <BluesKaj> aha Skiff , usb connected ?
[04:27] <intelikey> DaSkreech yeah  the initramfs.img has a lot to do with that.   your kernel/initramfs.img pair are the key to mobility   and using UUID in fstab is good for that purpose
[04:27] <TheCreationist> I'll be back to yell at you when it doesn't work ;)
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, its those that are with the motherboard
[04:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It .. helps?
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, on the same board
[04:28] <DaSkreech>  how does UUID help?
[04:28] <intelikey> DaSkreech why did you have him reboot ?
[04:28] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: i know, i have one, hold on
[04:28] <linuxnoob> i had problems to install kubuntu from bootcd - he boot and say "kernel alive - kernel direkt mapping tables to ...... " and than i have a blackscreen
[04:28] <DaSkreech> intelikey: startx doesn't work :)
[04:28] <Skiff> BluesKaj, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.21.html
[04:28] <BluesKaj> ok Skiff ...looks like you need to install linux drivers
[04:28] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: Do NTFS partitions have a UUID?
[04:29] <intelikey> DaSkreech because UUID is writen in the fs   not hardware dependant.
[04:29] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, thanks
[04:29] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: the live cd or the alternate Cd ?
[04:29] <Skiff> BluesKaj, thats what Im trying to do :)
[04:29] <Assassin`> !xgl
[04:29] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:29] <lordofthepigs> and how do I find out the exact kernel version I'm running
[04:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: ahm ok Right got you
[04:29] <linuxnoob> kubuntu-7.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[04:29] <intelikey> lordofthepigs  you have ntfs formated partitions ?   (partitions don't have UUID's file systems do)    run blkid   and see.
[04:30] <DaSkreech> intelikey: the initramfs.img now. what does that do?
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, try sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec
[04:30] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: it won't start normally?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: did you try the second menu item?
[04:30] <lordofthepigs> intelikey: Yeah, I dual boot with windows XP
[04:31] <lordofthepigs> well... more like 1.1 boot with windowsXP
[04:31] <lordofthepigs> rather than dual :)
[04:31] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23016/
[04:31] <Skiff> error
[04:31] <linuxnoob> i become the installermenu screen - and than i click everyone (start or install) and 10 sec. after that i have a blackscreen
[04:31] <jayteelin> soooo.... I'm going to assume nobody knows how to boot on a dell e1505, then?
[04:31] <linuxnoob> second meny item ?
[04:32] <intelikey> DaSkreech loads modules (hardware drivers) so that the system can continue on and finish the boot process.     thus if the hardware changes (different box) the initramfs.img tests and loads the modules for the "new" hardware and the disk is then recognized and mounted.  thus you can boot without kernel panic.
[04:32] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, run dmesg and pastebin that
[04:32] <linuxnoob> i have only one menu with 5 or 6 points (install cd check and so ..)
[04:33] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: under start/install there is something else
[04:33] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: try that one
[04:33] <linuxnoob> didnt know what you mean
[04:33] <intelikey> linuxnoob also there is     f1 "help"   at the boot prompt of the CD
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: start/install is at the top right ?
[04:34] <linuxnoob> ups- inderstand - yes there is somethink
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: it'll be long...
[04:34] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23017/
[04:34] <linuxnoob> 7 points i think
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: there is one under that
[04:34] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: choose number 2
[04:34] <linuxnoob> memorytest , cdcheck and others i mean ...
[04:35] <intelikey> [f1]
[04:35] <intelikey> [f2]
[04:35] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: there is one for safe graphics
[04:35] <intelikey> [f3]
[04:35] <DaSkreech>  I don't know what it is in de
[04:35] <TheCreationist> DaSkreech: Didn't work
[04:35] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: where did it reach ?
[04:35] <linuxnoob> yes - safe graphiks i have read
[04:35] <DaSkreech> linuxnoob: that doesn' work?
[04:35] <linuxnoob> but it have no effects i think
[04:35] <intelikey> TheCreationist wasted boot.   now what do you need ?
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, that's weird...it almost looks like an error in the module itself...
[04:36] <linuxnoob> but i will go to test that ....
[04:36] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, any suggestions?
[04:36] <jayteelin> .... I'm going to try an older version of kubuntu - looks like people have had better luck with that
[04:37] <jayteelin> bye :)
[04:37] <jayteelin> /exit
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop
[04:37] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I had to install Edgy with the command-line only option.  Now I'm trying to get the entire Kubuntu package installed (KDE, xserver, etc).  I tried installing both kubuntu-desktop and xserver-xorg, but I still can't get X to startup.
[04:37] <jayteelin> doh...
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: then try sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[04:37] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, skiff@LinuxBox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop
[04:37] <Skiff> sudo: /etc/init.d/alsa: command not found
[04:38] <intelikey> TheCreationist sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[04:38] <Skiff> ok
[04:38] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay.  After that, then what?
[04:38] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, done it just return to ~ w/o saying anything
[04:38] <intelikey> TheCreationist startx
[04:38] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$ sudo modprobe snd_intel8x0
[04:38] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, that means it probably loaded
[04:38] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Will that start X every time the system boots then?
[04:39] <intelikey> no we'll deal with that after you confirm that xorg works propperly TheCreationist
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sudo lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: see if that returns anything
[04:39] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I'll be back.   I use headphones, and whatever software came as default
[04:42] <ubuntu__> pssht
[04:42] <ubuntu__> im new to this
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ubuntu__: Welcome to Kubuntu
[04:42] <TheCreationist> intelikey: No.  I figured if trying to install that package fail then it wouldn't make a difference.  The last time I tried running startx, it crashed with an error saying that there were "No screens," whatever that's supposed to mean ;l()
[04:42] <BluesKaj> Skiff, needs to choose alsa in the system sound settings
[04:43] <ubuntu__> :)
[04:43] <DaSkreech> TheCreationist: a screen is a combination of a video card and a mointor/output
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> its been a while since i set this up in kubuntu :P
[04:43] <intelikey> TheCreationist go try it.      the fact that it's "provided by a vertual package" means you have it.    so run startx
[04:44] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, here I go again.... :P be right back
[04:44] <intelikey> TheCreationist if it errors out with ""No screens," found~"
[04:44] <intelikey> run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg
[04:44] <intelikey> then try again.
[04:44] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay.
[04:44] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok just did
[04:44] <Skiff> same crap :/
[04:45] <stdin> !language
[04:45] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:45] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, Dragnslcr BluesKaj when I click on the volume control it says no volume control gstreamer plugins and/org devices found
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> ok, where is the alsa rc script in ubuntu? anyone?
[04:46] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, startx gave the same error.  Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg says that xserver.xorg is not installed.
[04:46] <intelikey> TheCreationist are you using one console for irc and testing X  ?
[04:46] <BluesKaj> Skiff, 'alsamixer' in the terminal
[04:46] <TheCreationist> intelikey: The same console.  I tried doing a CTRL-ALT-F1 to change consoles, but nothing happened.
[04:47] <stdin> hitmanWilly: in /etc/init.d/ like all the rc scripts
[04:47] <intelikey> TheCreationist hehhehhe well   hit [alt] +[f2]    you are in tty1   so alt+f1 is here   alt+f2   is tty2 ....
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> that's what ive been trying, not there or its named something really weird
[04:47] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So what should I try this time?
[04:47] <Skiff> skiff@LinuxBox:~$ alsamixer
[04:47] <Skiff> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:47] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ^
[04:48] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Same thing just in a different console?  Should that really make a difference?
[04:48] <illriginal> Anyone know if the new update is safe to download and install?!?
[04:48] <intelikey> TheCreationist ok.   run this in tty2   sudo apt-get install -f
[04:48] <intelikey> TheCreationist and yes it makes a differance.   you don't have to logout/in all time.  :)
[04:49] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, that didn't report any errors to fix.
[04:49] <intelikey> ok.
[04:49] <illriginal> Anyone know if the new update is safe to download and install?!?
[04:49] <intelikey> TheCreationist check this one.    dpkg -l | grep xorg
[04:49] <illriginal> Using Ubuntu Feisty
[04:49] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, anything?
[04:49] <intelikey> should be a page and an half
[04:50] <TheCreationist> intelikey: It was at least that, yes.
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: ok, im a little over my head here...ubuntu does things in strange ways and im not familiar enough with it to give you the help you need
[04:50] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, thanks man
[04:50] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, any help is better than none ;)
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: sorry, if this was gentoo you'd be up and running by now :P
[04:50] <intelikey> TheCreationist i think you muxt have typo'd the reconfigure command.       sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:51] <BluesKaj> Skiff, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:51] <intelikey> muxt habe.  no othwe explanatuib for it
[04:51] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, I think the last time you wrote xserver.xorg (period instead of -) :)
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: but the root problem is that its not loading the proper kernel modules for your card
[04:52] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I'll give it a try again.  Are most onboard video cards just plain "vesa"?
[04:52] <intelikey> yep.
[04:52] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, gotcha thanks
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: or you don't have alsa set up
[04:52] <Skiff> BluesKaj, 1 sec
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Skiff: or both
[04:52] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I'll try again :)
[04:52] <intelikey> TheCreationist if you want to see what your hardware is    lshw
[04:52] <Skiff> BluesKaj, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:52] <Skiff> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:52] <Skiff> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, he doesn't have alsa installed for one thing ..which is kinda strange since it's default
[04:53] <intelikey> TheCreationist and you do know about   [shift] +[page-up]   in the console don't you ?
[04:53] <Skiff> BluesKaj, its a fresh install
[04:53] <intelikey> until you switch tty's (which clears the vidio ram) you can page up and read what scrolled.
[04:54] <BluesKaj> Skiff,  do you have synaptic or adept or another terminal open ?
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah wait
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> lsmod
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, close it?
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> crap
[04:54] <Skiff> BluesKaj, worked
[04:54] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Okay, I ran the reconfigure program and tried running startx... still the same fatal error "No screens found"
[04:54] <intelikey> TheCreationist ^ ^^
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, actually it didn
[04:55] <Skiff> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:55] <BluesKaj> ok Skiff, sudo apt-get install alsa-base
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> i hate when that happens :P
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah I did that
[04:55] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I didn't know how to scroll, but now I do.
[04:55] <Skiff> BluesKaj, Im uptodate
[04:56] <BluesKaj> ok,' alsamixer 'in the terminal , again
[04:56] <marcelol> Anyone here already upgrade to 3.5.7 ?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[04:56] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I ran lshw, but I can't scroll more than about 5 pages worth.
[04:56] <intelikey> TheCreationist ok.   lshw --class vidio    reconfigure with your hardware.
[04:56] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Didn't see anything about video.
[04:56] <marcelol> you notice, BluesKaj that a lot of packages are now broken ?
[04:56] <Minataku> TheCreationist: lshw | less
[04:57] <Minataku> If it's ever too much, pipe it into less
[04:57] <Minataku> Little protip for ya :3
[04:57] <intelikey> less is good.     but limiting to the class works too
[04:57] <BluesKaj> no , marcelol , not really
[04:57] <marcelol> like for instance, Beryl's no longer listed in Adept, nor KDevelop
[04:57] <Minataku> Right, but piping into less is gonna be useful all over the place
[04:57] <Skiff> BluesKaj, still says no such device
[04:58] <intelikey> Minataku thus the first statement.
[04:58] <marcelol> i.e. I did a fresh install, then updated to 3.5.7 before updating much of anything else...
[04:58] <Minataku> intelikey: Heehee
[04:58] <Skiff> BluesKaj,
[04:58] <Skiff> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[04:58] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[04:58] <TheCreationist> Minataku: Thank you.
[04:58] <Minataku> TheCreationist: np
[04:58] <spacx> can someone help me with my friends' computer?
[04:59] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I didn't see anything there that would help me out with reconfiguring.  It simply mentions the onboard video board and a couple of other non-consequential details.
[04:59] <Minataku> This protip has been brought to you by a generous grant from Nobody and the support of Viewers Like You.
[04:59] <BluesKaj> Skiff, sudo apt-get install dmix
[04:59] <TheCreationist> intelikey: And when reconfiguring, the video board listed in lshw doesn't have an option to be selected.
[04:59] <Skiff> BluesKaj, couldnt find the package dmix
[04:59] <marcelol> and what's weird is I get an error from us.archive.ubuntu.com under the feisty/universe component
[04:59] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/auximages/ << You've all seen my pictures of A/UX, right? :D ( Heehee, sorry X3 )
[05:00] <intelikey> TheCreationist name of the onboard as revieled in lshw ?
[05:00] <intelikey> revealed
[05:00] <BluesKaj> Skiff, wow that's default ...are you runing kde or gnome desktop ?
[05:00] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, in lshw it's just 6 digit number (model number, I assume).  But that chipset isn't an option when reconfiguring.
[05:00] <Skiff> BluesKaj, gnome
[05:00] <marcelol> anyone else here running 3.5.7 ?
[05:00] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I also have kde installed
[05:01] <BluesKaj> ok, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <marcelol> who ? me ?
[05:01] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I have it installed
[05:01] <marcelol> oh
[05:01] <marcelol> ok
[05:01] <Skiff> BluesKaj, I did it less than and hour ago
[05:02] <intelikey> TheCreationist system overload,  give me a sec.
[05:02] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[05:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:03] <Skiff> BluesKaj, did you mean KMIX?
[05:04] <Skiff> K instead of D
[05:04] <intelikey> TheCreationist the line    product:    from the lshw   what's it say ?
[05:04] <Skiff> BluesKaj, in the kmixer or in alsa it has blank for a mixer
[05:04] <BluesKaj> no dmix is the little mixer that controls the master volume in the panel
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> this is weird...my kubuntu box has no alsa rc script in init.d even tho alsa works fine
[05:04] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yeah I have it
[05:05] <BluesKaj> Skiff, check you repositories and make sure the #'s are deleted from the front of the debs... repostories like universe and multiverse
[05:05] <Skiff> but its kmix in kde
[05:05] <marcelol> So no one else had upgraded to 3.5.7 around here ?
[05:05] <BluesKaj> oh yes Skiff , correct ...sorry it's KMIX
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> i was wondering about that :)
[05:06] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:06] <BluesKaj> it's getting late here
[05:06] <intelikey> hitmanWilly nothing odd about that.   the module is inserted by the initramfs.img most likely
[05:06] <TheCreationist> intelikey: 82865G Integrated Graphics Accelerator
[05:06] <Skiff> BluesKaj, hehe
[05:06] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok the mixer is blank
[05:07] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Controller, not "Accelerator" sorry
[05:07] <Skiff> BluesKaj, just like in gnome
[05:07] <intelikey> TheCreationist and the vendor: is?
[05:07] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Intel Corporation
[05:07] <BluesKaj> intelikey, but why would it be omitted in a normal install ... a blank kmix , never heard of that ..very strange
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: sorry, not used to doing things like that :P
[05:08] <strabes_> Is possible in Konqueror save the profile view for only a certain directory?
[05:08] <Skiff> BluesKaj, dont know
[05:09] <BluesKaj> skiff, do you have synaptic installed ?
[05:09] <Skiff> BluesKaj, yes
[05:09] <intelikey> TheCreationist there are several  i8* modules.   that's one of them.   so in the recongifure    look for   i8*
[05:09] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I only noticed an i810... I'll try that.
[05:09] <BluesKaj> ok try installing alsa-base from there
[05:10] <intelikey> TheCreationist where * matches everything.     maybe  i810    just guessing.
[05:10] <Gabz> #konversation
[05:11] <intelikey> TheCreationist also when asked about using kernel frame buffering.  just say on.
[05:11] <Skiff> BluesKaj, 1 sec
[05:11] <TheCreationist> intelikey: the only i8* anything was an i810 (and I did say frame buffering on)... same story.
[05:12] <intelikey> TheCreationist at the monitor section use the second   or the third option if you know the sync/refresh rates   if not use the second choice.
[05:14] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yep, tried all that with i810.  Still "no screens found"
[05:15] <intelikey> TheCreationist for the record.  the "no screens found" error means there is nothing in the configuration that can be used with your monitor.     it's not telling you that it can't find the hardware.   it's telling you it can't use the settings you specified with that hardware.
[05:16] <intelikey> just so you'll know.
[05:16] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Yeah, I figured that... just don't know how to get the configuration properly set up. :)
[05:16] <ShadyTree> strabes_, yes
[05:17] <TheCreationist> intelikey: I would have preferred to just install the whole system right away, but all 6 of my different install CDs gave errors on this computer for some reason.
[05:18] <intelikey> probably the monitor/graphics card combo.   same reason it's not finding any screens now.
[05:18] <Skiff> BluesKaj, ok resintalled with a hwole bunch of other alsa stuff, still when I go to SOUND properties mixer is blank
[05:18] <intelikey> but when you stumble onto the settings that do work make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:18] <TheCreationist> intelikey: When installing, it was almost always errors about not being able to read files from the disc.  No idea why all 6 cds would have the same problem, though.
[05:19] <ShadyTree> strabes_, you there
[05:19] <strabes_> yeah
[05:19] <intelikey> possably shared irq between vidio and hd  or some other screwy hw issue.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> Skiff, logout and back in again , then check the sound system settings
[05:19] <ShadyTree> strabes, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307576
[05:20] <strabes> ShadyTree: how did you do that
[05:20] <Skiff> BluesKaj, Ill restart
[05:20] <ShadyTree> strabes, you have to do that to get the option to Save Settings for each folder
[05:20] <strabes> ShadyTree: yeah how do i do that
[05:20] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So do you have any suggestions on how I can get Ubuntu installed on this system?  It's just a basic Dell-built, I would think it would be supported by either Edgy, Feisty or both.
[05:20] <ShadyTree> strabes, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=307576
[05:20] <wolf23> wb ardchoille
[05:21] <intelikey> TheCreationist also worth testing the ram.   that can cause anomilies consistant with multiple hardware issues.
[05:21] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Just installed new RAM today :)  That's not a happy idea....
[05:22] <strabes> ShadyTree: thanks. hopefully it works
[05:22] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Does the Ubuntu CD have a memory test utility on it?  Seems I remember that it did.
[05:22] <dr_willis> egads  my wife is driving me crazy.. set her up with a new pc.. and what does she spend the next 3 hrs doing.. Setting up her themes and icons.....
[05:22] <ShadyTree> strabes, It does.  I did it
[05:22] <dr_willis> and wanting me to show her how to do it.
[05:22] <dr_willis> "No.. I want Solitare to be the WinnieThePooh Icon!"
[05:22] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: I've been there... I sympathize with you 100% :P
[05:23] <dr_willis> Tigger is the  Tetrus game!
[05:23] <dr_willis> and shes learning how to use Vista...
[05:23] <dr_willis> and wants me to show her.. Ive never used it befor either! heh
[05:23] <strabes> ShadyTree: on feisty?
[05:23] <ShadyTree> strabes, yes
[05:23] <ShadyTree> do this first
[05:24] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Welcome to my world... I'm here trying to install Linux on a friend's computer because I've been raving about how great it is for days... now I've been here for 8 hours and STILL don't have a working system!
[05:24] <intelikey> TheCreationist if using vesa   and the simplest monitor settings.  640x480 @ 60Hz still says no screens.   then i don't know what to tell you TheCreationist.   as to installing ubuntu.  you are running it now.     your screen looks just like mine. :)      but my xorg will run yours wont...     and yes   testmem86+  is on the installed system.  should be a boot option.
[05:24] <ShadyTree> strabes, create this folder  ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/profiles
[05:24] <TheCreationist> dr_willis: Oh, and I completely removed her Windows installation because I was so confident in Linux... go figure.
[05:24] <Skiff> BluesKaj, nope same thing
[05:24] <ShadyTree> strabes, then you dont need to download those 4 profiles
[05:24] <BluesKaj> what's the normal mount point for the cd/dvdrom ?...mines says it's on /proc...is this correct cuz there's no indicator of a cd.dvd on the desktop anymore ...any suggestions ?
[05:25] <strabes> ShadyTree: that file already exists
[05:25] <intelikey> TheCreationist you have a working system.  you don't have a working xorg.     big differance.
[05:25] <illriginal> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu Feisty, and I Just got an update message, but it's for a newer version? It's a "ubuntu generic" update with a few other updates to go with it. Is it safe to download and install? Or should I wait to see if people have any problems with it?
[05:25] <ShadyTree> strabes, ok
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj: usually in /media
[05:25] <TheCreationist> intelikey: *I* have a working system because I know how to use a command line very fluantly.  The problem is this isn't MY computer ;)
[05:25] <ShadyTree> strabes, just follow the instructions in that post.  you need to do that
[05:25] <stdin> BluesKaj: the normal mountpoint (in (k)ubuntu) is /media/cdrom0/
[05:25] <BluesKaj> ok hitmanWilly , i'll change to /media
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: She's not happy about this "working" system, you know? ;)
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Like dr_willis's wife, she wants pretty icons lol
[05:26] <intelikey> just cause my dog can't type doesn't mean my computer wont work     lol     sorry for the compairison.
[05:26] <strabes> ShadyTree: inside /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share there is not a directory called apps. there are only three directories: config, icons, mimelnk
[05:26] <TheCreationist> intelikey: She didn't like that analogy ;)
[05:26] <intelikey> i understand the "need".  not belittling the gravity of the situation.
[05:26] <ShadyTree> strabes, dont even touch that folder
[05:27] <illriginal> Hey guys, I have Ubuntu Feisty, and I Just got an update message, but it's for a newer version? It's a "ubuntu generic" update with a few other updates to go with it. Is it safe to download and install? Or should I wait to see if people have any problems with it?
[05:27] <ShadyTree> strabes, just follow the instructions
[05:27] <TheCreationist> illriginal: If you ever have a doubt about installing an update, it doesn't hurt to wait.
[05:27] <intelikey> TheCreationist tell "her"  it was only cause i didn't have a wife.
[05:27] <strabes> ShadyTree: it tells me to remove a folder that isn't there in the first step....
[05:27] <ShadyTree> strabes, then just keep going
[05:27] <TheCreationist> intelikey: So there's nothing else you can suggest for now?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> illriginal: if its the 2.6.20-16 kernel, people have been having trouble with it, wait a little while
[05:28] <gan|y|med> hi
[05:28] <illriginal> ok cool
[05:28] <ShadyTree> strabes, basically, all you need to do is   sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[05:28] <strabes> k
[05:28] <gan|y|med> i have applied a kernel patch and got a few rejections. just in general, are (or can be) those critical to functionality?
[05:29] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Even more frustrating because the Live CD's loaded just fine...
[05:29] <TheCreationist> I need a bloody cigarette.... brb.
[05:30] <Skiff> hitmanWilly, nvidia has these driver for my nforce2 mobo so naturally it also has the drivers, maybe I should try theirs, but I wouldnt know how to compile them, check the link http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_nforce_1.21.html
[05:30] <intelikey> TheCreationist just what a friend said.  "when but a lad his father had him spliting wood with an ax.   one large block of sweetgum he had hit many times with no sign of progress, turning to his father he said 'this one wont bust'.  who replied 'sure it will, just keep hitting it'"    just keep hitting it.
[05:30] <Skiff> also drivers are only for fedora,suse and rh
[05:30] <strabes> ShadyTree: ok i did that and restarted konqueror, where is the option
[05:30] <ShadyTree> Settings
[05:30] <Pollywog> I used qtparted to reorganize my partitions but now grub says error 22 at boot.
[05:30] <ShadyTree> Save View Changes per Folder
[05:30] <ShadyTree> is that option there now
[05:30] <strabes> ShadyTree: the settings menu is exactly the same as it was before i copied over that file
[05:30] <Pollywog> What is the best way to fix that?  Is there a way?
[05:31] <Pollywog> I am doaloading the live cd now
[05:31] <intelikey> TheCreationist i'm sure that in the   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  there is a workable combonation.
[05:31] <TheCreationist> intelikey: Pretty sure the last sentence was all that made sense and all I needed to hear ;)  But hitting it hasn't helped iether.
[05:31] <Pollywog> should I just reinstall kubuntu?
[05:31] <aldin> anyone in mood to help me set mailserver postfix? i have account on dyndns.org, and have install postfix, put someusername.dyndns.org for MailName
[05:31] <ShadyTree> strabes, did you copy and paste  sudo cp /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-orig.rc /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[05:31] <strabes> yep
[05:31] <strabes> ShadyTree: yet
[05:31] <strabes> yes
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: since the liveCD is working, could he just copy over the xorg.conf from that? or is it some weird setup?
[05:32] <titanix88> Anyone know a good tutorial about bash scripting?
[05:32] <intelikey> hitmanWilly IF it is.
[05:33] <ShadyTree> strabes, I dont know.  Ive done this on all my fresh Feisty installs, no problem
[05:33] <titanix88> Anyone know a good tutorial about bash scripting?
[05:33] <strabes> ShadyTree: crap thanks anyway
[05:33] <intelikey> hitmanWilly if im not mistaken he said the reason for the server install was that the live didn't work in gui mode either
[05:33] <ShadyTree> strabes, maybe you have another Konqueror open
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> ok, missed that...
[05:33] <strabes> ShadyTree: i'll try restarting my computer =\
[05:33] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  i was just spending the last 5 hrs getting her Vista Box to become a 'working system' go figure. :)
[05:34] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  and what does she do.. first thing.. enables the Windows95 theme! :)
[05:34] <stdin> titanix88: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[05:34] <intelikey> hitmanWilly please do dubble check with him on that.  that would be a good idea.
[05:34] <dr_willis> TheCreationist,  and turns the res down to 1024x768
[05:34] <titanix88> dr_willis: ur using vista scrap?
[05:34] <dr_willis> At least i do have her trained now to use the "fileserver"
[05:34] <dr_willis> titanix88,  it came on the wifes new $350 laptop.
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: the last working system from M$ started with "C:\"
[05:34] <dr_willis> so shes playing Solitare on it for now
[05:35] <ShadyTree> wtf is it about people playing Solitatire on computers
[05:35] <titanix88> dr_willis: tell her to check out www.badvista.org
[05:35] <dr_willis> ShadyTree,  she wakes up in the night.. smokes a cig.. plays solitare for 10 min or so...
[05:35] <ShadyTree> ok sorry
[05:35] <stdin> ShadyTree: because they are sad loaners ?
[05:35] <ShadyTree> no
[05:35] <dr_willis> and hopefully dosent fall asleep while smoking again... :)
[05:36] <intelikey> L-users ?
[05:36] <dr_willis> Snoozers!
[05:36] <ShadyTree> most people that arent into computers only play Solitaire
[05:36] <hitmanWilly> TheCreationist: so does the liveCd work in graphics mode? or just a text(ncurses) interface?
[05:37] <titanix88> hitmanWilly: live cd is always graphics.
[05:38] <intelikey> titanix88 no.
[05:38] <ShadyTree> alternate cd has text installer as an option
[05:38] <intelikey> the live CD will run in console only mode too.
[05:38] <intelikey> won't install so easily from there but will run.
[05:39] <ShadyTree> I had to use text install for Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu
[05:39] <ShadyTree> Ubuntu used up all my laptop memory, so I couldnt install it from the desktop
[05:40] <ShadyTree> strabes, did that work
[05:40] <strabes> ShadyTree: no =\
[05:40] <titanix88> stdin:thnx.
[05:40] <intelikey> hmmm on one box i installed hoary a year later upgraded streight to dapper.  on another installed hoary and it's still at that stage.  on another installed dapper and still there.
[05:40] <stdin> titanix88: it's a great reference, I use it all the time
[05:40] <ShadyTree> strabes, oh well.  thats the only way youll be able to save View per Folder, by restoring the original Konqueror settings.  Kubuntu, for some reason, replaces them with simplified options
[05:41] <strabes> yeah
[05:41] <intelikey> ShadyTree how much RAM ?
[05:41] <ShadyTree> 256
[05:41] <ShadyTree> but the Kubuntu installed perfectly from th desktop on the same computer
[05:41] <ShadyTree> both were complete HD reformats
[05:41] <intelikey> hmmm   i installed with 196m on a desktop from the live
[05:41] <ShadyTree> Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[05:42] <intelikey> both
[05:42] <intelikey> actually
[05:42] <ShadyTree> Kubuntu worked, but Ubuntu didnt.  I had to use text installer for Ubuntu
[05:42] <intelikey> which version ?
[05:42] <ShadyTree> feisy
[05:42] <intelikey> ok i only have dapper live
[05:43] <intelikey> so they probably overloaded the ubuntu feisty live
[05:43] <ShadyTree> yeah
[05:44] <titanix88> intelikey:until next LTS i'm stiking to Dapper and upgrade it regularly. No feisty.
[05:44] <intelikey> but yeah i got shipit ubuntu and kubuntu live CD's of dapper when they first shipped.  cause i heard that dapper was the LTS release.
[05:44] <strabes> ShadyTree: i got it to work. I had to copy it to the home directory not the one in /usr
[05:44] <intelikey> titanix88 :)
[05:45] <titanix88> intellikey:Now they became 6.06.3
[05:45] <intelikey> they say great minds think alike.    looks like irc L-users type alike    :)
[05:45] <ShadyTree> strabes, ok good
[05:46] <titanix88> intellikey:it's just mother of all ubuntu :)
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> hey all, check this out :) http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/
[05:48] <intelikey> all in all i really don't have much to complain about with dapper.  there is a kernel/hardware issue unresolved that affects users trying to write to scsi disks without permission that boggs down the system and loads the memory with unrecoverable "false usage".    other than that i have no issues with this system.
[05:50] <intelikey> oh and the foomatic database is buggy.   they fixed it in breezy but reintroduced the same bug right back in (in one of the updates) in dapper.
[05:50] <gan|y|med> this is a bit unspecific, i know, but does anybody experience a comparatively slow performance of window creation/resizing in kde with the ati fglrx drivers?
[05:51] <hitmanWilly> honestly, ubuntu seems overly bloated to me, (at least compared to my gentoo box :D)
[05:51] <intelikey> hitmanWilly indeed.
[05:51] <aldin> server1.example.com, what this server1 means ( iam aseting postfix so i been asked for this)
[05:52] <gan|y|med> hitmanWilly: what do you mean?
[05:53] <ShadyTree> Thing's I'd change with default Kubuntu installation:  Change 1-click to 2-click file selection,  Start new sessions as Empty, Numpad key on, restore original Konq settings
[05:53] <intelikey> gan|y|med well 400m for console only ?    isn't that bloat.   i can do that with a floppydisk  1.44m
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: ok, run lsmod and compare it to mine http://pastebin.ca/517782
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: that's just a small example
[05:54] <gan|y|med> well, i know what you mean by that, but then again, isn't gentoo supposed to be slimmer due to install customisation?
[05:55] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/36923 hitmanWilly
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> gan|y|med: yes, but there's a point
[05:55] <_6StringKng_> so I tried setting Firefox to the default browser fromt he terminal as I have many different times...and no wit wont work for some reason
[05:56] <intelikey> hitmanWilly and mine is trim for a ubuntu box
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> also, on the default install when it wants to remove all of kde when i try to remove bluetooth support
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> I enter this sudo update-alternatives config x-www-browser
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> and I get this
[05:56] <_6StringKng_> update-alternatives: unknown argument `config'
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: yeah, i know
[05:57] <gan|y|med> f***, deleted my initrd...
[05:57] <gan|y|med> ok, that kernel is gone
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i still run kubuntu on the laptop cause i really dont care about performance on it, and its a lot easier to set up than gentoo
[05:57] <intelikey> gan|y|med mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd[tabkey]  `uname -r`
[05:58] <titanix88> gna|y|med: YOU r DOOMED!! :)
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: especially for wi-fi related stuff
[05:59] <fogwar> hitmanWilly: hey man sorry to bother but how do i get my xchat minimized to my systray
[05:59] <intelikey> that i know nothing about, no hardware.
[05:59] <gan|y|med> titanix88: i know, i really am :)
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: got me...don't use it
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> *I
[05:59] <intelikey> gan|y|med ?    just install a kernel/initrd pair
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: its very hit/miss, and a serious pain
[06:00] <gan|y|med> intelikey: was my own custom kernel. but i am trying realtime now anyway, so it won't kill me
[06:00] <fogwar> hitmanWilly: what do u use
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: luckily mine works well
[06:00] <intelikey> gan|y|med you only have issues if you poweroff/reboot.   as long as it's running you can fix it.
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: usually irssi these days
[06:00] <fogwar> does it minimize to systray
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: either that or kvirc
[06:01] <Admiral_Chicago_> yep, the latest kernel messes things up
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: no, its a console app
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> fogwar: s/its/irssi
[06:01] <titanix88> Ever hard of Nethack? It's a wired game(hacker's game).Even though i dloaded Falcon's eye, it's kind of same thing.How come games be like this?
[06:01] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i got it back with the help of your nice little command
[06:02] <gan|y|med> thx
[06:02] <intelikey> np.
[06:02] <aldin> what ports should i open on router for postfix?
[06:02] <gan|y|med> intelikey: why?
[06:02] <intelikey> gan|y|med yes indeed why.
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> aldin: probably pop imap and smtp
[06:02] <dr_willis> falconswyw is a 3d/purtifed variant of nethack :)
[06:02] <gan|y|med> intelikey: better than searching each and every module to include in the kernel so that it will boot in the first place
[06:03] <titanix88> fogwar: konversation.
[06:04] <su> Hey there....I'm a noob, and was wondering how I could set permissions to write to an external hd in Ubuntu
[06:04] <intelikey> the use of initramfs.img or initrd.img is so you can "generic" the boot process for many possable hardware configurations   and a custom kernel is so easy to customize for the hardware that an init*.img is only going to slow down the boot process for a custom kernel.
[06:04] <su> It is ntfs
[06:04] <fogwar_> gm
[06:04] <intelikey> gan|y|med "searching each and every module to include"   hehhe  disk/fs support and it will boot.
[06:04] <fogwar_> titanix88: well, how do i set it to minimize to task? i cant see it in setitngs
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> su: you need to have ntfs-3g set up to write to ntfs
[06:05] <su> I have checked every single possible box in the user/group settings
[06:05] <intelikey> that's the point.
[06:05] <fogwar_> titanix88: NVM
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs-3g
[06:05] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:05] <gan|y|med> i thought so myself, but then again, my kernel won't start because including the disk/fs support used to work, but now i could not find ALL the necessary drivers
[06:05] <hitmanWilly> su: see link from ubotu
[06:05] <titanix88> fogwar_: by default u can see a icon in the notification ares.don;t u?
[06:06] <gan|y|med> it worked until egdy, but i got confused with the new ide (ata=sata?) drivers
[06:07] <intelikey> gan|y|med 95% of what is done in the init*.img is redone in the init scripts anyway.       and as to the modules to include    lsmod | cut -d' ' -f1 > include      and you can shorten that with   | grep -v snd
[06:08] <Minataku> Heh, I compile my own kernels
[06:08] <gan|y|med> no output
[06:08] <Minataku> There's no point to an init* with one
[06:08] <intelikey> Minataku daz what i been saying.
[06:08] <su> hitmanwilly: how do i find this link
[06:09] <Minataku> intelikey: I was confirming :3
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs-3g | su
[06:09] <ubotu> su: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:09] <gan|y|med> ok, i got that myself. again, it was just because of the ide drivers. usually p2x (something) driver is enough...
[06:09] <intelikey> me too  :)
[06:09] <su> my links are opening in bluefish! ha!
[06:09] <illriginal> Can someone help me get my Belkin Wireless USB Adapter to work? The Model is FSD7050, supposedly this is a compatible adapter but cannot see a wireless signal!
[06:09] <gan|y|med> anyway, still no output with that command
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> su: just copy and paste into your web browser
[06:10] <su> i just did that, thanks
[06:10] <hitmanWilly> np :)
[06:10] <gan|y|med> ok, thx a lot. trying the realtime-image now.
[06:10] <gan|y|med> goodnight
[06:11] <intelikey> gan|y|med oh   that command was intended for a generic ubuntu kernel where everything is modules.   not your custom where lsmod may not say anything.