[01:19] <NightBird> Xero: close, but xsessions, not Xsessions :P
[01:20] <nergar> maybe, but i guess i'll wait for the next beta or release candidate, meanwhile i'm going with zenwalk
[01:21] <Martinp23> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ mini.iso there could work better, but yeah, it might be worth just waiting.
[01:22] <Xero> NightBird, glad I could help. Lol
[01:22] <NightBird> Xero: well... it didn't exactly fix things yet...
[01:23] <Xero> NightBird, oh.
[01:23] <Xero> NightBird, good luck then.
[01:24] <NightBird> gah.... it almost makes it, I see the desktop, then the x server restarts
[01:25] <Xero> Wow. Ubuntu 7.04 gets -amazing- battery time.
[01:25] <Xero> An hour and 45 minutes of running Compiz nonstop (with all the pretties) and Totem streaming from a nearby computer.
[01:26] <Xero> That includes the GPU "intensive" goom visualization, which I would expect to eat battery like a ravenous mole.
[01:27] <savvas> whereas vista?
[01:27] <Xero> savvas, Vista lasts about 30 minutes at 100% batt.
[01:28] <Xero> Nothing special going on.
[01:28] <savvas> well 1-0 for gnu/linux then :)
[01:28] <Xero> Actually, about 300-5 for gnu/linux
[01:29] <penguin42> Xero: I think there's been a bit of work on power; 'powertop' is an interesting tool
[01:30] <Xero> penguin42, another 1-up for Ubuntu, then. No wonder I ditched XP about half a year ago.
[01:30] <Xero> Desktop: 1024MB RAM, 2.4GHz processor, 80GB HDD 128MB VRAM, Gutsy
[01:31] <Xero> Laptop: 512MB RAM, 1.4GHz processor, 40GB HDD, integrated vid, Feisty.
[01:31] <NightBird> ....I'm getting an "X: client <n> rejected from local host (uid 1000)" error in my kdm.log... could this be related to the error I'm getting?
[01:31] <penguin42> yes
[01:32] <NightBird> ok
[01:32] <NightBird> how do I fix it?
[01:32] <penguin42> NightBird: None of your disc partitions are full are they?
[01:32] <NightBird> no
[01:33] <penguin42> hmm ok, have you got a .Xauthority file ?
[01:33] <NightBird> yes
[01:33] <NightBird> move it elsewhere and see if that helps?
[01:33] <savvas> NightBird: the computer doesn't like you, you got rejected :) just kidding :p
[01:33] <NightBird> savvas: then I'll whip it into submission
[01:34] <savvas> now that's the spirit!
[01:34] <NightBird> my computers don't work with me, they work for me
[01:34] <Xero> My computer works with me, but if I must, i force it to work for me.
[01:35] <Xero> As in the case of my laptop which miraculously got wirelessed today.
[01:35] <NightBird> penguin42: what should I do with my .Xauthority file?
[01:35] <NightBird> penguin42: I tried moving it, restarting X, then logging in... didn't help
[01:36] <penguin42> NightBird: Damn - hmm if you log in in safe mode and do an ls -l of your directory are the files owned correclty by the right user? Can you create a file in there?
[01:38] <NightBird> everything is owned by me in that directory, and I can create files there
[01:38] <NightBird> (including the hidden files)
[01:38] <NightBird> ... why do I have multiple .DCOPserver's running...
[01:39] <NightBird> er... multiple .DCOPserver files
[01:41] <Xero> !find glib-gettextize
[01:41] <ubotu> File glib-gettextize found in libglib2.0-dev
[01:42] <Xero> For some reason the lappy didn't have that.
[01:42] <penguin42> NightBird: I think I'm out of ideas
[01:42] <dashua> Is there a bug for the sounds events not working in Gutsy Beta?
[01:43] <branstrom> dashua: I have the same prob, I think.
[01:43] <dashua> They work fine in sounds under preferences, but not sound when activating events.
[01:43] <dashua> Ok
[01:43] <branstrom> Haven't searched for existing bugs
[01:43] <branstrom> Yes, that's the way it is here too.
[01:44] <dashua> Ok, I'll check bugzilla.
[01:44] <tomilburn> hi, please can someone help me with an external harddrive prob that has been bugging me since feisty release
[01:45] <penguin42> tomilburn: What happens
[01:45] <tomilburn> its not auto mounting
[01:46] <tomilburn> it just stoped after i started with feisty, ive been with gusty for a while now, and still no luck
[01:47] <tomilburn> i can see it with fdisk -l
[01:47] <penguin42> and can you mount it by hand?
[01:47] <tomilburn> yes
[01:47] <tomilburn> and in fstab
[01:47] <tomilburn> but dont get the icons
[01:48] <tomilburn> my usb stick drive things work just fine, and ipod
[01:48] <penguin42> I know this is a little odd; but have you tried taking it out of fstab?
[01:48] <tomilburn> yer, its not in there
[01:48] <tomilburn> sorry
[01:48] <tomilburn> i put it in then back out for testing
[01:49] <tretle> those animal wallpapers should be included with the default installation
[01:49] <tretle> i noticed the elephant one is there now
[01:50] <penguin42> tomilburn: I assume you have the ;'mount removable media' button ticked in preferences?
[01:50] <tretle> just need a few more for variation
[01:50] <tomilburn> they are creating a bit of a stir
[01:50] <tretle> thast becasue they are quite good
[01:50] <tomilburn> ha ha, i hope so
[01:50] <tretle> and unique
[01:50] <tomilburn> where is it?
[01:50] <tretle> and suite the ubuntu down to the ground
[01:50] <penguin42> tomilburn: Removeable media preferences
[01:51] <tomilburn> yes, its ticked
[01:52] <penguin42> hohum - I don't know how the icon stuff is done
[01:52] <penguin42> where are these elephants then?
[01:52] <tomilburn> it should be in your wallpapers automaticaly
[01:53] <tomilburn> its good, im using it
[01:53] <tomilburn> dont know if its a real elefant though
[01:53] <tretle> the giraffe one is quite good also
[01:53] <tretle> and lion one
[01:54] <tomilburn> havent seen the giraffe
[01:54] <tomilburn> just lion
[01:54] <tretle> they may need to strip out the ubuntu logo though
[01:54] <tretle> as thats what they did with the elephant one
[01:54] <tretle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-giraffe-1680x1050_2.jpg
[01:54] <tretle> thats the giraffe
[01:55] <tretle> all of the animal wallpapers seem more polished
[01:55] <tretle> and professional
[01:55] <tretle> i really do hope they get included as default
[01:56] <penguin42> Hmm I don't seem to have it - file names?
[01:57] <tomilburn> im not sure, it just appeared in the dialogue for me (only the elephant one)
[01:57] <tretle> yuppers
[01:57] <tomilburn> and only a few day ago, you updated
[01:57] <tretle> elephant one is the only one included atm
[01:58] <penguin42> yeh updated this morning
[01:58] <tretle> elephant one is quality
[01:58] <tretle> although
[01:58] <tomilburn> elephant-skin.jpg
[01:59] <tomilburn> in usr/share/backgrounds
[01:59] <tretle> when you set the panel to transparent you cant see the menu writing
[01:59] <tretle> applications, places, system
[01:59] <tretle> you have to up the saturation
[01:59] <tretle> but still lovely wallpaper
[02:00] <tretle> would give gutsy a good first impression
[02:05] <penguin42> Ah yes that is nice (I was looking in /usr/share/wallpapers)
[02:05] <thompa> i tried the beta in a partitioned laptop with xp and it fails to install grub. How can I reinstall grub?
[02:06] <penguin42> you should be able to run grub-install from the CD - but depending how far it got it might not have all the stuff setup to boot your XP and your gutsy
[02:06] <tretle> did u install xp before or after gutsy?
[02:06] <thompa> before,
[02:07] <tretle> hmmm
[02:07] <tretle> not sure
[02:07] <cliechti> the update manaer does nothing but re-display the list.. how do i fix that
[02:08] <thompa> tretle: it installed fine on my other computers
[02:08] <tretle> had problems with grub myself a few days ago and ended up getting grub working but unable to boot into windows anymore so i just did a fresh install of both
[02:09] <thompa> i cant reinstall windows it too painful esp on laptop
[02:09] <serengeti> hi. I've upgraded from feisty yesterday. is it a known bug that trackerd is using up all the available cpu time? it doesn't get in the way because it seems to run with a very low priority but well, cpu use is at 100% all the time for the last couple of hours...
[02:09] <serengeti> and, ~/.cache/tracker dir is over 1GB even though there's almost nothing to index in my home dir
[02:09] <archlich> thompa, check out $grub-install you also might want to check out the gentoo install docs at the grub section
[02:10] <serengeti> just a bunch of avi files
[02:10] <maccam94-away> thompa: if you can download and burn cd's, i recommend using super grub boot cd
[02:10] <maccam94-away> it can automagically fix broken grub boot records
[02:12] <shadylookin> anybody else have a problem with installing the beta where it keeps reloading the X system everytime it loads so that you get stuck in an infinite loop of reloading?
[02:12] <penguin42> serengeti: Yes I believe that is known
[02:12] <serengeti> uh, ~/.cache/tracker is 4.4G now...
[02:12] <thompa> maccam94-away: thanks where do i get that
[02:12] <maccam94-away> thompa: http://sgd.howto-linux.de/download/binaries/sgd/cdrom/sgd_current.iso
[02:12] <penguin42> serengeti: Try doing an update - I believe the issue is fixed/eased
[02:12] <cliechti> hm. is "current dist not found in meta-release file" a normal message for update-manager?
[02:13] <serengeti> penguin42, ok I just did an update, I'll try to log off to see if it's fixed. thanks :)
[02:13] <penguin42> also
[02:13] <penguin42> serengeti: There is an option to disable the indexing
[02:14] <thompa> can it create a grub record as I dont even have one, im still live an install seems  finished but no message to reboot
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: it can scan for kernels i believe, and make a grub.conf, and write a master boot record. i think you're good as long as there's stuff in /boot/
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: wait
[02:15] <thompa> ok
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: i think i remember reading about that bug
[02:15] <thompa> i dont care for windows, just the kids laptop
[02:16] <thompa> maccam94: nothing in boot like menu
[02:16] <maccam94> The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,Triaged]
[02:16] <serengeti> penguin24: I think it's indexing all of my drives by default instead of just the home folder like beagle used to.. I get lots of .java files from Sun's JDK in the results
[02:16] <thompa> in /boot/grub is only device map
[02:17] <maccam94> thompa: if you're in the livecd it wouldn't be /boot, because that's /boot of the livecd
[02:17] <serengeti> I'll try deleting ~/.cache/tracker and logging off
[02:17] <thompa> that makes sense
[02:17] <maccam94> thompa: as the wiki states, just rebooting and restarting the installation works
[02:17] <thompa> sda2 is my linux part
[02:18] <thompa> maccam94: ive tried a couple of times before the beta with the alpha , no go
[02:18] <thompa> maybe the beta works
[02:18] <maccam94> k
[02:19] <thompa> maccam94: ill try installing again thanks
[02:19] <maccam94> if it doesn't, and there's stuff in /media/ubuntu/boot or /mnt/ubuntu/boot/ (it might not be called ubuntu), you can try the super grub boot cd. but you need to be able to burn the iso, and it won't work if the installation isn't complete with the actual installation part
[02:19] <thompa> got the iso ksthan
[02:19] <thompa> iso
[02:20] <thompa> maccam94: will it maybe add xp to menu
[02:20] <thompa> im going to try the grub iso first
[02:21] <DM|_> I keep getting ailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) when trying to upgrade from the upgrade manager?
[02:22] <DM|_> anyone have the repos i should add for terminal dist-upgrade?
[02:23] <DM|_> anyone?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> change feisty to gusty is about it i thought
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Wonder if the !upgrade factoid is done
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[02:24] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:26] <penguin42> DM|_: Probably worth checking you have enough free disc space - are there any other errors from gzip?
[02:26] <DM|_> penguin42 i have over 25g availe :(, just that one when trying to use Upgrade manager
[02:26] <DM|_> penguin42:  gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[02:27] <rustlerhar1> has anyone updated to gutsy recently
[02:27] <DM|_> im trying to now...
[02:27] <cliechti> update-manager is broken here. it just reloads the list. -c /-d both make no change to this. any idea?
[02:28] <DM|_> Im getting a gzip error what about u cliechti
[02:28] <cliechti> im running gutsy since many weeks and update-manager is broken since a long time too
[02:28] <DM|_> anyone have repos to add to sources list?
[02:28] <DM|_> so i can do a terminal update
[02:28] <serengeti> rustlerhar, I upgraded yesterday
[02:28] <cliechti> DM|_: i dont see any relevant error message, at least nothing like that
[02:30] <maccam94> thompa: it will, yes
[02:30] <rustlerhar1> serengeti: i tried after beta freeze and it killed my system
[02:31] <penguin42> I'd hope for something more than gzip saying it has an error
[02:32] <furenku> hello, i wonder whether the -rt kernel works with nvidia drivers now?
[02:33] <serengeti> rustlerhar1, are you sure it upgraded completely? my update kept failing on Sun JRE package and I had to restart in recovery mode... for some reason I was able to finish the update from there
[02:33] <rustlerhar1> apt get didnt install and it told me to use apt to get
[02:34] <DM|_> So yeah... I need the repos, and cant find them on the forums, can someone pastebin their gutsy repos please
[02:34] <serengeti> rustlerhar1, what happened?
[02:35] <furenku> is it a good idea to install the gutsy -rt kernel on ubuntu feisty?
[02:36] <penguin42> I guess it might work - but why do you want to?
[02:37] <serengeti> DM|_, Irish mirrors: http://dpaste.com/21004/
[02:38] <DM|_> thanks
[02:39] <furenku> penguin42, the thing is, i heard this gutsy -rt kernel is compatible with nvidia; which is not the case of the feisty one
[02:40] <cliechti> is it relevant for update-manager what it is in /etc/debian_version ?
[02:40] <penguin42> furenku: I'm guessing there is a lot more than just the kernel to get nvidia to go
[02:41] <furenku> maybe i should wait till gutsy is released?
[02:41] <DM|_> 18 days
[02:41] <Gforce005> Where looking at dumping windows, and moving into linux "ubuntu", it would seem that its more develop in-house compare to kubuntu "correct" ?
[02:41] <AmyRose> Is there a way to avoid GPG errors when using the debug symbol repos?
[02:43] <cliechti> how do i find out the release name? its should be gutsy but how can i verify that?
[02:43] <NightBird> Gforce005: kubuntu ispart of ubntu
[02:43] <NightBird> er.. is a part
[02:43] <NightBird> wow
[02:43] <NightBird> that line was horrible now that I look at it...
[02:43] <NightBird> kubuntu is a part of ubuntu.
[02:43] <NightBird> kubuntu is just a kde interface instead of the normal gnome interface
[02:44] <Gforce005> okay,
[02:44] <Gforce005> but heard that Mark, bless ubuntu
[02:44] <Gforce005> and not kubuntu
[02:44] <Gforce005> is that due to the KDE (Kde 4) org ?
[02:44] <beerfa2> Gforce005: Canonical does not produce kubuntu, so why would Mark bless it?
[02:45] <Gforce005> whom does
[02:45] <kurros> why does mark get to bless things?
[02:45] <AmyRose> Gforce005: I heard that Mark is a KDE user
[02:45] <Gforce005> really
[02:45] <AmyRose> Yes
[02:46] <Gforce005> been hearing more about ubuntu in the news... than kubuntu
[02:46] <cliechti> heheh if that were all our problems.. ;-)
[02:46] <beerfa2> kurros: because he's the one footing the bill maybe?
[02:46] <AmyRose> Gforce005: http://dot.kde.org/1147097810/
[02:47] <AmyRose> Gforce005: Another one: http://dot.kde.org/1160932072/
[02:47] <AmyRose> :D
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> amrk beless kubuntu as well, both are developed by Canonical
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> *mark blesses
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> Jonathon Riddel, the main kubuntu dev, is employed by Canonical
[02:48] <maccam94> Ubuntu is the main distribution; KUbuntu, XUbuntu, and EdUbuntu are official derivatives
[02:48] <cliechti> how can i fix the update-manager that does just nothing instead of installing the packages it shows?
[02:49] <Gforce005> oh really
[02:49] <AmyRose> It wouldn't make sense for Mark NOT to "bless" Kubuntu too, seeing as he's a KDE user.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> maccam94: in a sense that is correct, in a sense it is not.
[02:49] <NightBird> ...crap.... my wireless device isn't been seen anymore...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> mine is :)
[02:50] <darrend> is the new bluetooth-applet supposed to replace gnome-bluetooth?  Because the first one fails for me bt the old one still works ok..
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> yay!
[02:50] <Gforce005> what about this 3d desktop heard that is going to be in 7.10, kubuntu does not have it
[02:50] <NightBird> well, if my wireless is down, nothing is keeping me from doing a complete wipe when it comes out in a few days
[02:50] <beerfa2> that's because KDE will reinvent compositing instead of using compiz
[02:50] <NightBird> er... compiz and beryl are both fine with running in a kde interface
[02:51] <maccam94> Gforce005: Also, the preferences utility that Ubuntu is using is for setting Compiz is for Gnome
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> yalp.
[02:51] <osmosis> anyone know how to figure out what the actual differences are in the meta-packages  ubuntu-xen-desktop  and ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64  ?
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> Hey, GNOME is good for some people, I'm not dissing it. I like KDE better but that just my opinion
[02:51] <NightBird> osmosis: one is for 32 bit systems, the other for 64 bit systems?
[02:51] <maccam94> the amd64 one will just be all of the same packages compiled for 64-bitness
[02:52] <osmosis> NightBird: they are meta-packages...what is different about them ?
[02:52] <beerfa2> I just love gnome/kde debates :-)
[02:52] <hydrogen> yes
[02:52] <AmyRose> hahaha
[02:52] <hydrogen> because its always obvious
[02:52] <NightBird> osmosis: the packages they point to
[02:52] <hydrogen> that the only people in them with intelligence
[02:52] <hydrogen> are those who prefer kde
[02:52] <osmosis> NightBird: without having gutsy installed, is there any way to see ?
[02:53] <NightBird> hydrogen: I thought you were going to say the only people in them with intelligence are the ones that aren't in them :P
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: trying to REALLY start a flame war?
[02:53] <NightBird> osmosis: ?
[02:53] <osmosis> NightBird: what is actually different about them ?
[02:53] <level1> hi, I'm having a lot of trouble with knetworkmanager
[02:53] <AmyRose> XD
[02:53] <AmyRose> level1: What sort of trouble?
[02:53] <osmosis> hydrogen: trolltech wouldnt ever have gone GPL if it wasnt for gnome.
[02:53] <level1> ran sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon to try to get some error messages, and all I got was...
[02:53] <level1> NetworkManager: <info>  Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported
[02:53] <beerfa2> nosrednaekim: is insulting ones choices won't work, insulting ones intelligence is sure to work ;-)
[02:53] <level1> over and over
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> beerfa2: and if that doesn't work... insult their mom.
[02:54] <Gforce005> hmm, what can't the people at kubuntu make a kde version of :setting Compiz is for Gnome
[02:54] <level1> AmyRose: it's basically doesn't want to connect to some networks, especially my school's network
[02:54] <osmosis> trolltech and KDE never gave an official appology to Richard Stallman for violating the GPL.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: its not *GNOME* its gtk.
[02:54] <AmyRose> level1: I am sorry, but I have not found a workaround for that problem... I have to use a script that disables Network Manager at my school
[02:54] <NightBird> osmosis: the 32 and 64 bit packages?  one is compiled for 32 bit cpus, the other for 64 bit cpus
[02:54] <osmosis> My inspiron 1420, you know...the one that dell ships with ubuntu. Well the wireless on gutsy beta doesnt work.
[02:54] <level1> AmyRose: also, it keeps forgetting about my school's network, so I have to reenter the data
[02:55] <maccam94> Gforce005: they probably will, but they basically have to duplicate a lot of efforts that the people writing the gtk applets are making
[02:55] <osmosis> NightBird: how could it be compiled? its a meta package....it doesnt get compiled.
[02:55] <maccam94> osmosis: really? guess it's a good thing i haven't upgraded yet
[02:55] <cliechti> update-manager troubles anyone?
[02:55] <NightBird> osmosis: meta packages are packages that are used as a collection for other packages, which may have compiled items in them
[02:55] <level1> osmosis: at this point, if there was any conflict, qt would be forked into gpl so fast
[02:55] <hydrogen> osmosis: that doesn't mean that gnome's at the least last five releases have not basically been "Implement this or that feature that kde has had for a year or two"
[02:56] <AmyRose> I don't see a need for a separate KDE version of CompizConfig Settings Manager though... I have no problems using a GTK utility to configure Compiz as long as it works ;)
[02:56] <osmosis> NightBird: how can I see a list of the packages that a meta-package installs?
[02:56] <osmosis> level1: wha????  you can't fork something into GPL.  It has to be GPL to allow forking.  duh.
[02:57] <level1> AmyRose: what do you mean disable Network Manager
[02:57] <level1> osmosis: gpl isn't the only open source lincence
[02:57] <NightBird> osmosis: try apt-cache depends
[02:57] <level1> osmosis: and qt is under the qpl
[02:57] <osmosis> hydrogen: who cares if kde had it for the last two years. all that matters is today and the future. Im not going to run something because of features it did or didnt have years ago.
[02:57] <hydrogen> osmosis: except that it still doesn't have half the features
[02:58] <osmosis> level1: the trolltech license didnt allow forking to GPL.
[02:58] <hydrogen> and definatly won't once kde4 starts getting polished
[02:58] <beerfa2> hydrogen: feature list is not the most important factor
[02:58] <osmosis> NightBird:  only problem is im not booted off gutsy right now.
[02:58] <hydrogen> beerfa2: yea, your right.. sometimes I like to limit myself so that I feel more like the average human
[02:58] <beerfa2> depending on your goal

[02:58] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: and KDE4 doesn't really count as the present since it nowhere near usable
[02:58] <osmosis> hydrogen: once it start....yah, sure.  if they havent started yet, they are in trouble.
[02:58] <DM|_> ok help... im getting this error
[02:58] <DM|_> Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:59] <beerfa2> hydrogen: use the software that suits your needs, but don't dog on software that suits other peoples needs
[02:59] <AmyRose> level1: My script to get on-line at my college first runs this command: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
[02:59] <hydrogen> beerfa2: but thats whats fun!
[02:59] <maccam94> i thought KDE4 wasn't making it into gutsy
[02:59] <maccam94> at least not as default
[02:59] <osmosis> the whole gnome kde debate is so dumb. All that really matters is C or C++ since thats what they are written in respectively.  mentality
[02:59] <level1> AmyRose: but how do you get online then?  I thought NetworkManager was basically essential to internet access
[03:00] <AmyRose> level1: No, it's not. It just makes things easier when it works
[03:00] <hydrogen> osmosis: yet gnome is doing its best to get away from the low levelness of C because they are consistantly limited
[03:00] <osmosis> AmyRose: yah, that bugs me too.  Should I file a bug or something? never done that tbh :)
[03:01] <level1> AmyRose: oh, how is that done?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: what video card?
[03:02] <level1> AmyRose: my school uses wep, as all the networks are cloaked
[03:02] <serengeti> radeon 8500
[03:02] <Gforce005> okay, its looks like kde... I did read that kde 4 beta 2 is out
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: which drivers were you using?
[03:02] <AmyRose> level1: I spent about 2 weeks Googling to find out what kind of a config file I'd need, and then my script calls wpa_supplicant, then waits about 10 seconds, then calls dhclient. It works...
[03:02] <penguin42> serengeti: If something is broken then please file a bug (checking that one hasn't already been filed)
[03:02] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: it is but there really isnt anything there
[03:02] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, ati
[03:02] <Gforce005> really ?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: you have klipper ;)
[03:02] <osmosis> yah, so I filed a bunch of bugs for xen on amd64. I wonder if anyone will be available to get them fixed before final release.  146986, 146997, 147014, 138859
[03:02] <level1> hmmm... maybe I just live with the mediocre connectivity that I can get, that sounds like a lot of work
[03:02] <Gforce005> gnomenfreak: trying to dump windows
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: no menu to run things most things dont work plasma works but just barely
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: than use reg. kde until 4 is more developed
[03:03] <AmyRose> level1: I can give you my script if you're interested
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: But KDE 3  still rocks.!
[03:03] <Gforce005> probably a month
[03:03] <hydrogen> Gforce005: wait for beta3 at a minimum
[03:03] <hydrogen> which should be out this week
[03:03] <Gforce005> okay
[03:03] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, I mean the opensource driver ati, not ati's driver :)
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> KDE 4.0 wont be worth using till it hits 4.1
[03:03] <Gforce005> have about 12 system in the office
[03:03] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: they are tagging it this wekk release should be week 2 in oct
[03:03] <level1> AmyRose: okay, I'll take a look... why don't you dump it in pastebin and I'll dl it?
[03:04] <Gforce005> want to move to Linux
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> <-- loooooooooooong time KDE user
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: hmm ok, I was thinking it uninstalled the driver or something...but thats not it.
[03:04] <level1> Linux_Galore: pretty sure kde 4.0 will never hit 4.1... kinda a conflict of numbers there, 0 not being 1 and all
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: just like Vista won't be worth it until SP1
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:04] <Gforce005> is the kubuntu 7.10 beta stable to try it on a machine ?
[03:05] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How dare you compare FOSS to Microsoft sludge? :P
[03:05] <penguin42> Gforce005: It depends; there are some known bugs - some people are more lucky than others; most have a mostly working machine
[03:05] <level1> Gforce005: it is, but we recomend you use 7.04 until a month from now, you'll be just as happy
[03:05] <Gforce005> okay
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: if you are just switching (i.e. no previous experience with linux) just use fiesty.
[03:06] <DM|_> someone.. please help....
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> Im pretty happy with Gutsy right now, no serious issues, GLX isnt working still with the legacy Nvidia driver (have all the glx stuff in my xorg.conf file)
[03:06] <DM|_> Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:06] <gavintlgold> hey, I installed more updated nvidia drivers with the driver from the website. Is that going to bite me in the behind if I update to gutsy now?
[03:06] <level1> Gforce005: as I understand it, gutsy doesn't add very much anyways, just polish and bug fixes, so you won't be missing anything
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> you can upgrade easily
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: lol
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: go to #ubuntu-effects
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> and ask there
[03:06] <gnomefreak> use another mirror
[03:06] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, well, glxinfo seems ok, x.org's log looks good too. But the login screen is using some strange resolution that doesn't even match my screen's aspect ratio
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: you'll lose them, but thats about the wirst that will happen.
[03:07] <Gforce005> had some experience with bsd
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: you using kubuntu?
[03:07] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: so I won't be dumped into a shell, or failsafe x?
[03:07] <level1> serengeti: what about the desktop?
[03:07] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, no, it's regular ubuntu upgraded from feisty
[03:07] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: everyone talks about envy being evil and stuff... is that true?
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: for safety purposes, change the xorg driver to nv before upgrading.
[03:07] <DM|_> gnomefreak its not a mirror problem, something else is going on
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> gavintlgold: herd both bad and good things about envy
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> heard*
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: never hear of envy being evil. just automatix
[03:08] <level1> Linux_Galore: I've only heard bad things
[03:08] <DM|_> envy > all
[03:08] <Gforce005> level1: really does not add much..
[03:08] <gnomefreak> DM|_: that error is a mirror problem
[03:08] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: like for example, on #compiz-fusion the !envy factoid is "no."
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> lol.
[03:08] <level1> nosrednaekim: I don't understand automatix, I mean, how hard is it to install all that yourself?
[03:08] <gavintlgold> and they seem to think it's not good...
[03:08] <DM|_> gnomefreak it happens with the ubuntu repos too
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> if you look in the forums regarding envy some people have had a good experience others a nightmare
[03:08] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: ok, will do
[03:08] <gavintlgold> :) thanks
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> level1: if you are trying to get skype for 64 bit... trust me.. its hard
[03:09] <gnomefreak> DM|_: than you have a DNS issue more than likely but ubuntu mirrors work fine
[03:09] <serengeti> level1, it seems that the update messed up my monitor's specs. It's an old Samsung 700 ift that has to be configured manually, because DCC info is wrong
[03:09] <penguin42> what is 'envy' ?
[03:09] <DM|_> gnomefreak got a different mirror for me?
[03:09] <gnomefreak> penguin42: garbage
[03:09] <user_> Anyone downloading flv's from youtube, does your playback in movie player have like a dot grid layer over it? Didn't have any clarity problems in feisty
[03:09] <level1> nosrednaekim: it just that ubuntu's package names are a little irrational to new users, I mean, I want to sudo apt-get install mp3, not sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> penguin42: a app thats installs and sets up your nvidia driver
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> an*
[03:09] <penguin42> Ah
[03:09] <ffm> firefox -ProfileManager
[03:09] <ffm> does not seem to work properly. It just starts up firefox for me.
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> penguin42: has a habbit of breaking things though
[03:10] <serengeti> level1, it's on the list in Screens and Graphics, but even though the desktop is ok now, login screen still uses wrong resolution
[03:10] <penguin42> ffm: Yes I see that as well
[03:10] <ffm> level1: but libxine-extracodecs is the name of the package.
[03:10] <gavintlgold> does ubuntu+1 have failsafe X? i heard something about that
[03:10] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it installs graphic drivers from their sites nvidia.com ati.com  and it wont allow you to remove everything that it did like build nvidia-resticted-modules so when you go to upgrade or install ubuntu package for those drivers it will fail
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ffm: not in gutsy...
[03:10] <gnomefreak> gavintlgold: yes
[03:10] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: did it change names?
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> good o'l libxine-extracodecs, lazy mans way of getting it all done with one package
[03:10] <gavintlgold> cool, so if i broke the driver i would still have an x? (that's what it seems like)
[03:10] <gavintlgold> that's what i thought that meant
[03:11] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah, building binary modules is always a pita
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: restricted-extras
[03:11] <ffm> So , noone has any idea why firefox -ProfileManager does not work?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah nowe i remember ty nosrednaekim
[03:11] <penguin42> ffm: firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager seems to work
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: yeah... and if you change to nv before hand.. it PROBABLY won't crash in the first place
[03:11] <ffm> penguin42: thanks.
[03:12] <gavintlgold> :)
[03:12] <penguin42> ffm: I suggest bug reporting that
[03:12] <wers> anyone here having problems with the new appearance preference app?
[03:12] <user_> Any other gutsy users have grainy playback of saved flv videos ?
[03:12] <AmyRose> level1: http://www.geocities.com/amyrose2048/wctcwlan.tar.gz
[03:12] <gnomefreak> wers: uninstall blubuntu
[03:12] <gnomefreak> all of its packages
[03:12] <wers> I have not installed blubuntu
[03:12] <gnomefreak> thats #1 reason why it breaks (ther emay be others but that is the well known cause)
[03:13] <wers> the only appearance-related app I installed is Tango
[03:14] <AmyRose> level1: You must agree to the terms of the GPL version 3 though =P
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Im really impressed with the NuvoX (Extra) Ver 0.7 icon set http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/nuvoX?content=38467
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> even a deb package on that page
[03:15] <gavintlgold> wish me luck :) ... it'll probably be done downloading in a few days :P
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: its int he repositories as well
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: when I looked last time it only had the old version
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> oh... hmm
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: the deb on that page works perfect with gutsy
[03:16] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: Why would you even need a .deb package anyway?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: because Im on a debian based distro
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> 64 bit?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> 32
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> I wouldnt have though it would mattered with the icon set
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: its just icons though... why should it matter?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[03:18] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I thought you could just install icon tarballs from the icon settings dialog
[03:18] <user_> How difficult is debian to install and use in comparison to ubuntu?
[03:19] <cliechti> ok "mark all upgrades" isn't doing anything in synaptic but the re are 80 packages outstanding
[03:19] <penguin42> user_: Not that much harder; it's a bit less pretty and easy and not as up to date
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> user_: Ubuntu is based on debian
[03:19] <AmyRose> user_: It doesn't have all the drivers we have, which is the main reason I prefer Kubuntu over Debian
[03:20] <wers> gnomefreak, I just remembered, I also installed Industrial Tango. I am uninstalling it and will see if anything changes
[03:20] <user_> I realized it was based on debian
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: er your on crack, debian has more drivers and packages, the complete distro is like 10 DVD's now
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> user_: a debian install is much more customizable
[03:21] <Xero> user_: The main difference is customizability and user friendliness
[03:21] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: riiiiight, and aren't you the one who doesn't know how to install icons that aren't in deb packages?
[03:21] <Xero> Ubuntu is more friendly, but Debian Sid is much, MUCH more customizable.
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: I installed the deb package from the command line I didnt need a clicky newbie tool
[03:22] <Xero> Linux_Galore, dpkg isn't a 1337 h4xx0r tool either.
[03:22] <Xero> Wow! 'dpkg -i somepackage.deb'!!!!
[03:22] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I can install icon tarballs from the CLI, so HA.
[03:22] <Xero> AMAZING! You must be t3h 1337ness in a bag!
[03:23] <AmyRose> Just throw them in ~/.icons or ~/.kde/share/icons
[03:23] <AmyRose> or /usr/share/icons if you're brave
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose:  pfft or use buildset with aht Ubuntu flag set
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> the*
[03:23] <Xero> I like to compile things.
[03:24] <Xero> Especially the part where I have to fix dependency errors without a package manager.
[03:24] <Xero> Beat that.
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> Xero: or just edit the code :-P
[03:24] <AmyRose> I hated compiling things until I learned about checkinstall... I just hated not being able to remove programs if I deleted the source directory
[03:24] <Xero> Linux_Galore, then it won't be as functional. Thine arse loses.
[03:25] <wasabi> Hmm. So what these days is supposed to maintain permissions on device files?
[03:25] <user_> I like ubuntu a lot, like gutsy too. Only thing I have found negative about gutsy is the flv's I have saved from youtube have like a dot grid across them in playback.
[03:25] <wasabi> udev?
[03:25] <Xero> wasabi, udev/hal
[03:25] <user_> Anyone else ?
[03:25] <AmyRose> wasabi: what Xero said
[03:25] <wasabi> If I want to give a single specific user access to an entire disk, but no other disks, how would I go about it?
[03:25] <AmyRose> user_: that doesn't say much, since there are a handful of player engines, each of which probably handles them differently
[03:26] <wasabi> Traditionally I'd use setfacl on the dev node. ;)
[03:26] <Xero> lol Feisty->Gutsy update on my laptop, using WIRELESS OF DOOOOM
[03:26] <cliechti> maybe i must rm -rf / as there seems to be no cure to my problems
[03:26] <Xero> Who else has WIRELESS OF DOOOOOOM?
[03:26] <branstrom> Hmm, can I make mplayer-nogui display the video filename in the titlebar?
[03:26] <user_> I let movie player get the codec that it wanted , I just don;t know the gutsy good codecs yet.
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: What is it?
[03:26] <Xero> AmyRose, working wireless without ndiswrapper/driverloader in linux
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: Then I can answer YES!
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Xero: indeed
[03:27] <AmyRose> I have an Atheros 802.11g card
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> Xero: Gutsy fixed my atheros
[03:27] <beerfa2> user_: playing flv in totem works fine for me. Perhaps whatever you're using to save them with is messing them up
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah! what card?
[03:27] <Xero> Something based on Broadcom, made by Intel here.
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: there is actually a kde compiler tool called kompile
[03:27] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I have an Atheros 802.11 a/b/g card, don't know what exact model atm
[03:27] <user_> Ok using keepvid to save them, works fine in feisty.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah... is it in a laptop?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: no brainer to use
[03:27] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I know because I filed a bug on that one :P
[03:27] <pjman> Hey everyone. Should be a simple question (I hope).... Does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" work with the new bulletproof-X? What's the bet way to re-create my xorg.conf file in the new beta?
[03:28] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: yes
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: what model?
[03:28] <cliechti> does synaptic have its own mystic database that get out of sync with apt?
[03:28] <Xero> The wireless driver works better on Ubuntu than Windows. In Windows the range is from my bedroom to the other room (where the router is)
[03:28] <penguin42> pjman: It worked for me
[03:28] <Xero> The range on the bcm43xx driver is from the downstairs kitchen to the router room.
[03:28] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212/AR5213
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> pjman: I find it works but doesnt do it properly if your using nvidia with glx
[03:29] <Xero> No, I don't have more than one kitchen. Just pointing out that the computer is a floor and a few rooms away from the router.
[03:29] <beerfa2> pjman, why not use the new system > admin > screens and graphics ui?
[03:29] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: That's what lspci has
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: what model of laptop? I think I have the same chipset.
[03:30] <pjman> Linux_Galore: pardon the stupid question but how do I know if I'm using glx? I've been trying to use the nVidia restricted drivers with Compiz. Is that utilizing glx?
[03:30] <Xero> pjman, glxinfo
[03:30] <Xero> in terminal
[03:30] <pjman> beerfa2: That's what messed up my xorg.conf file...
[03:30] <user_> Is ffmpeg now a full player?
[03:30] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: It came with my now-dead Toshiba Satellite A65-S126, and now I am using it in a Toshiba Satellite 2455-S3001 (it came with an Orinoco chipset that worked great but didn't support WPA)
[03:30] <user_> From synaptic," multimedia player, server and encoder"
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> ah...ok
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> pjman: you need glx to be working to do 3D stuff
[03:31] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I do love the fact that I could take the Atheros card out of that computer and put it in this one :D
[03:31] <beerfa2> pjman: be sure to submit a bug about that if it did.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: miniPCI?
[03:31] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Yeah. The neat thing about "built-in" wifi is that it's not really built-in ;)
[03:31] <pjman> Linux_Galore: I had compiz working (using travino's repos) under feisty so that must be using glx. I'll have to read up on it more to understand it.
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> lol. i have an extra miniPCI slot... I wonder what I could do with it :)
[03:32] <AmyRose> This laptop was a year older but cooler than the laptop I had before, and now it's even better after the wifi upgrade
[03:32] <AmyRose> :)
[03:32] <Xero> nosrednaekim, install some pizza in it for later use.
[03:32] <Xero> Hehe
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> lol.
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> it'd sure be cooked :)
[03:32] <AmyRose> I went from a 2004 bargain model to a 2003 desktop replacement :D
[03:32] <pjman> beerfa2: I will if I can reproduce the problem or narrow down what happened after the upgrade. Does anyone know the difference between system > admin > screens and graphics and system > preferences > screen resolutions?
[03:33] <Xero> Mine's a 2005 bargain model (the desktop)
[03:33] <Xero> Originally had only 512MB ram, that's been doubled, now once again obsolete.
[03:33] <Xero> 2.4GHz processor (not too bad)
[03:33] <pjman> it looks to me that screen resolutions should not be included with Gutsy... Screens and Graphics looks to do all the same
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> mine is a midrange 2006 lappy
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> very decent
[03:35] <Xero> Mine's good enough to run Compiz at a decent speed, watch my videos, and play my games, so that's what I call "decent"
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> same here... I can watch HD too
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> so thats all I need
[03:35] <Xero> I don't need hi-def.
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> I find my Nvidia MX420GO setup doesnt have enough grunt for compiz
[03:36] <Xero> Just pop in a dvd and stare at the rapidly flickering box of colors.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> but I do :) we have a nice Myth-backend with two HD tuners
[03:36] <Xero> I have a TV tuner but it sucks.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Xero: lol...reminds me of a joke.
[03:36] <Xero> Very blurry, staticy
[03:36] <Xero> Decided to just not watch it.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Greg: hello,this is Linux tech support,how may I help you ?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> User: I am trying to watch a DVD and its jumping
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> Greg: thats DMA
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> User: how do I fix it?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> Greg:blinck your eyes in sync with the DMA.
[03:37] <Xero> lol
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> Ive been using some HP NC's I purchased on an online auction ($24 each x 4) as front ends to me media server (stream to TV) and a N800 as the remote control
[03:38] <Xero> OMG F>G UPDATE COMPLETE ON LAPPY
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Xero: coolo
[03:39] <Xero> nosrednaekim, Actually, it's still unpacking, but it's done downloading.
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> ah
[03:39] <Xero> Wireless is slow.
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> the HP NC's already run Linux (XFCE desktop) so they are pretty cool
[03:40] <savvas> that log is real? :)
[03:40] <Xero> My Wii is going to run Linux in about a year when they've reverse engineered it well enough.
[03:40] <beerfa2> pjman: screen resolutions is a user level resolution preference (can be different for every user). The admin screens is xorg configuration
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> savvas: what log?
[03:40] <savvas> the one you didn't post nosrednaekim
[03:40] <Xero> The tech DMA
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Xero: why wait get a PS3
[03:41] <savvas> :p
[03:41] <Xero> Linux_Galore, because I'm poor.
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> savvas: no lol.... its from a cartoon in a Linux Journal
[03:41] <Xero> Why else would i be on a 2005 budget desktop?
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Xero: off ebay
[03:41] <savvas> ah darn
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> heh
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> lol...
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> savvas: although I once did do it to someone who complained about it :)
[03:41] <Xero> My XBox runs XFCE.
[03:41] <savvas> same solution? :P
[03:42] <Xero> Firefox, Totem, basic Ubuntu setup, really.
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> savvas: certainly....followed by a good !dvd for good measure
[03:42] <Xero> !dvd
[03:42] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:42] <Xero> Yay!!!!
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Xero: companies like HP/IBM/Dell sell their old stock on online auction sites, recently I got a 9 month old HP machine Intel Core 2 duo for US$170 that retailed for over USD$2k
[03:43] <savvas> !bd
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> Unpacking is done. Setup of packages for Gutsy begins now.
[03:43] <Xero> Linux_Galore, HOLY SH**!!!
[03:43] <savvas> nothing on bluray discs :)
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Xero: brand new
[03:43] <savvas> !bluray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> !blu-ray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blu-ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <savvas> meh
[03:43] <Xero> lol
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> !blueray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> !blue ray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blue ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> !noob
[03:43] <AmyRose> Xero: You made me hungry for pizza, so I got a microwave pizza :P
[03:43] <ubotu> Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:44] <pjman> beerfa2: thanks for the info
[03:44] <savvas> oy!
[03:44] <Xero> AmyRose, lol
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> cook it under your laptop AmyRose?
[03:44] <Xero> What's jfgi?
[03:44] <beerfa2> microwave pizza? eww
[03:44] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Nah, thankfully, mine's not like an Apple MacBook
[03:44] <savvas> do the software burners support bluray discs?
[03:44] <savvas> like brasero/k3b?
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> Xero: allot of the ebay sellers get their stuff from on-line auction sites thats why the models often sold are a year old (even though they are new)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: i've heard of people cooking eggs on those..lol
[03:45] <Xero> I can cook a micropizza on mine.
[03:45] <Xero> The video card is overclocked to double its original clock speed.
[03:45] <savvas> where's the fun in a laser beam cooking your dinner in 5 minutes?
[03:45] <savvas> you're not even preparing your organism for a food overload :)
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> savvas: pffft whats about all the un armed sharks
[03:46] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Yeah, because "The Macbook is not a laptop!"
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: and if it is a laptop, there won't be a lap anymore.
[03:46] <Xero> lol
[03:46] <savvas> Linux_Galore: you might wanna translate that in plain english :p
[03:47] <Xero> savvas, he's asking about the unarmed sharks.
[03:47] <Xero> You know, the sharks that don
[03:47] <Xero> 't have guns
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> 42" 1920x1080i LCD + kubuntu 7.10 playing anime - fwah!
[03:47] <beerfa2> I'd be more concerned about the sharks with arms
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> savvas: aaah look up Dr Evil and sharks
[03:48] <Xero> What is jfgi?
[03:48] <AmyRose> XD http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15
[03:48] <AmyRose> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> got an anime club meeting later today at my place
[03:48] <Xero> Just F-ing Google It?
[03:48] <AmyRose> Xero: I think you're right about that
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Evil
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> for those who havent watched Austin Powers
[03:53] <AmyRose> Is it a thermal one (as in the case of Macbooks)?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> a notebook is what you get when you no longer have a lap.
[03:53] <savvas> Linux_Galore: give me the link again when either macromedia makes a working 64-bit browser plugin, or when gnash begins to really work :P
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> savvas: try nspluginwrapper?
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> lol nosrednaekim beat me to it
[03:54] <savvas> nope, I'm using the gnash for now, reporting all the bugs I can find
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> fastest guns on IRC, thats me
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:55] <savvas> that's the point of beta anyway
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> if you have a wii it can play youtube stuff
[03:56] <savvas> which irc client are you guys using? xchat?
[03:56] <dn> don't you have to pay for the web browser?
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> savvas: Im on konversation
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> savvas: konversation
[03:57] <AmyRose> savvas: Konversation
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> dn: what web browser?
[03:57] <DM|> ok no matter what i do i cant update to gusty......
[03:57] <savvas> is there an echo in here? :)
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> simple clean and does the job
[03:57] <AmyRose> savvas: Nah, we're just fond of Konversation ;)
[03:58] <savvas> ah ok
[03:58] <savvas> sorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't
[03:58] <AmyRose> I can only get videos to work in Firefox, which I hate...
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> I use to like Xchat but now its like some teenagers myspace app with way too much crap
[03:59] <savvas> why it's all the fun!
[03:59] <savvas> that's why I use irssi haha
[04:00] <savvas> xchat is there though when I like to play my few python programming skills
[04:00] <AmyRose> oops wrong button
[04:00] <AmyRose> I can get Gnash to work on YouTube, but only in Firefox.
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> DONT PRESS THE RED BUTTON!!
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> heh
[04:01] <AmyRose> I had to disable the Quit shortcut
[04:01] <savvas> AmyRose: how?
[04:01] <AmyRose> savvas: I just install it through the debs in the Gutsy repos...
[04:01] <skinnypuppy1334> I still can
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> I wish konqueror could use firefox plugins
[04:02] <savvas> It's not on gecko :P
[04:02] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: Uh, can't it?
[04:02] <savvas> anyway, duty calls, clinic hours, laters
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> I like the google preview plugin for Firefox
[04:03] <skinnypuppy1334> I still can't get saved videos to play without a dot grid layed out over them. I'v installed vlc player and ffmpeg and no change. How can I tell what engine gutsy is using for playback?
[04:04] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: That would depend on what player you are using under it.
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> ie it shows thumb images of web pages next to search results
[04:04] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: find out why it doesnt work in konq, and fix it?
[04:04] <skinnypuppy1334> Amy both movieplayer and vlc media player
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: I dont like FF myself but konqueror is an incomplete tool for me
[04:06] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: Try MPlayer or Xine-UI
[04:06] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: do you have compiz/3d effects enabled?
[04:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Compiz is enabled yes
[04:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Mplayer crashes, haven't tried xine yet
[04:06] <savvas> there is a video playback plugin..
[04:07] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I like Konqueror and Opera myself
[04:07] <skinnypuppy1334> savvas a plugin for compiz-fusion? Could you tell me more?
[04:07] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: You need CompizConfig Settings Manager
[04:07] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: sudo apt-get install python-compizconfig
[04:07] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Uh, how would I do that? I'm not a programmer... ^^;
[04:07] <skinnypuppy1334> I've got config manager.
[04:08] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: under utility, there's a video playback plugin, try enable it
[04:08] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: learn programming :)
[04:08] <savvas> ouch
[04:08] <savvas> ok I'm really out :P
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: got a speedlearning course on hand?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: not offhand, but google would
[04:09] <Hobbsee> techbase tutorials are good
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: I meant SPEEDLEARN not RTFM.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: :)
[04:10] <skinnypuppy1334> Enabled the video plugin in comp settings manager, no change. still a black dot grid over the video . I'll get xine and see....
[04:10] <skinnypuppy1334> I gotta say though I am impressed with gutsy tribe 6 partial upgrade.
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: you running XGL?
[04:11] <skinnypuppy1334> Video is fine in firefox browser though.
[04:12] <skinnypuppy1334> XGL not that I know of.
[04:12] <DM|> HELP http://pastebin.com/m597070c9
[04:12] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: Yeah, if you're using XGL, you'd probably know about it
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: not neccesarily
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: do a "glxinfo"
[04:12] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: XGL is a pain to set up...
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> and see if you have direct rendering
[04:13] <skinnypuppy1334> I haven't had to install anything xgl, not using nvidia video either
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: not un gutsy
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: fully (and painfully) automatic
[04:13] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: You do know that XGL and AIGLX are not the same thing, right?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: this ain't no idiot
[04:13] <skinnypuppy1334> DIrect Rendering Yes
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: hmm ok.
[04:14] <skinnypuppy1334> server glx version string: 1.2
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: you're not running XGL
[04:14] <skinnypuppy1334> OK
[04:15] <skinnypuppy1334> I'll try gxine for kicks.
[04:19] <skinnypuppy1334> Gxine won't play the flv or the mp4
[04:20] <beerfa2> vlc
[04:21] <skinnypuppy1334> vlc and movieplayer both work but have a grid of small black dots all over the video area. Looks like a CAD screen with points turned on
[04:21] <beerfa2> those have different engines, so probably driver issue or something else
[04:22] <skinnypuppy1334> Hmmm works well in feisty.
[04:23] <beerfa2> Submit a bug report
[04:23] <skinnypuppy1334> Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:24] <beerfa2> that is the purpose of testing the beta after all
[04:24] <skinnypuppy1334> I will but figured I'd ask around about engines decoders first since I know little about them
[04:25] <skinnypuppy1334> I was using the feisty codecs non free flawless. I don't know what repo they were from though and whether or how to try them on gutsy
[04:26] <skinnypuppy1334> Video codecs were the only thing I used automatix for, then removed it from sources.list
[04:26] <beerfa2> the codecs work fine for me. it's not a codec issue
[04:26] <skinnypuppy1334> in feisty that is
[04:27] <beerfa2> at least not a generic issue
[04:28] <beerfa2> why are you using automatix btw? gutsy auto installs codecs
[04:28] <beerfa2> you should avoid that automatix crap
[04:29] <skinnypuppy1334> Those non free automatix codecs were the only ones I could get to do much in feisty
[04:29] <beerfa2> gutsy detects if you're missing even non-free codecs and installs them automatically
[04:29] <AmyRose> What I'd like to know is how exactly Automatix screws up a system. I keep hearing that it does, but never anything more detailed than that.
[04:29] <beerfa2> automatix has no purpose
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> !automatix
[04:29] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:30] <skinnypuppy1334> It did. It got its own codecs when I first opened the video files
[04:30] <beerfa2> AmyRose: someone posted a detailed review of automatix. google for it
[04:31] <Pumpernickel> No need to google it, it's linked in the factoid.
[04:31] <beerfa2> yeah, just noticed that :-)
[04:36] <towlieba> has anyone here installed kubuntu in a virtual machine
[04:36] <_dan_> i did once
[04:37] <beerfa2> I booted it as a live cd once...that's all I could take though
[04:37] <slimz> anyone feel like helping me get my wireless back to roaming mode?
[04:37] <slimz> for some reason  my system tray icon dissapeared andi had to set it all manually
[04:38] <_dan_> slimz did u try the windows fix? reboot?
[04:38] <slimz> also being manually connected like this it keeps randomly disconnecting
[04:38] <slimz> yes of course
[04:39] <slimz> there used to be an option in admin->network to switch to roaming mode, but its gone
[04:39] <beerfa2> is network manager still in system > preferences > session ?
[04:39] <slimz> yes
[04:39] <beerfa2> is it running?
[04:40] <Xero> Feisty also autoinstalls codecs...
[04:40] <AmyRose> towlieba: Yeah, I have
[04:40] <AmyRose> Xero: Isn't that only true on GNOME though?
[04:40] <towlieba> AmyRose, what virtual machine did you use ?
[04:40] <slimz> rightnow its nm-applet --sm--disable
[04:40] <AmyRose> towlieba: VirtualBox
[04:40] <slimz> same for my volume manager
[04:40] <Xero> AmyRose, I think so.
[04:40] <defcon> ok I installed Ubuntu Tribe 5 and I have been doing update-manager -d will this update me to the complete Gutsy final eventually?
[04:40] <_dan_> slimz did u check weather your network card is enabled? drivers loaded?
[04:41] <AmyRose> Xero: So that's useless to the n00bs who prefer KDE... :(
[04:41] <defcon> kde sucks
[04:41] <_dan_> dont use words like n00b
[04:41] <defcon> i know some driver programmers that use kde, why would they
[04:41] <towlieba> heres what happens when i try to install kubuntu 7.10 with parallels as the VM and a new virtual hard drive and an iso as the virtual CD
[04:42] <towlieba> 1. i boot the live cd and see a brief ACPI related error that flashes by 2. i choose the first option which is start/install kubuntu 2. i see the blue kubuntu logo with the progress bar moving back and forth 3. the progress bar hangs at the left of the progress bar. 4. i see the gui for a second then the screen refreshes and goes black 5.  i see starting K Display manager then starting cupsds 6. nothing else happens after
[04:42] <towlieba>  waiting for 15 minutes
[04:42] <slimz> _dan_, i didnt need, it is on a thinkpad laptop, the only restricted drivers was for the atheros hardware layer
[04:42] <skinnypuppy1334> How much ram total and how much are you dedicating to that machine ?"
[04:42] <_dan_> slimz did u check weather drivers for the card is loaded? and yes, u do need driver for the card
[04:42] <_dan_> try cat /proc/dev/net
[04:42] <towlieba> skinnypuppy1334, i have 2gb total, 1gb for the vm
[04:42] <_dan_> to see weather its there
[04:43] <slimz> _dan_ none show up for it to enable in restricted drivers, and im using the wireless right now
[04:43] <slimz> _dan_, i just cant get the applet to start or to go into roaming more
[04:43] <slimz> *mode
[04:43] <skinnypuppy1334> You should be ok, I had those problems with only 512,
[04:43] <_dan_> its not about restirced
[04:43] <_dan_> slimz ok
[04:43] <_dan_> the executable for the applet is called nm-applet can u start it manually out of a console?
[04:45] <Xero> !u | dan
[04:45] <ubotu> dan: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:45] <slimz> _dan_, slimz@slimz-laptop:~$ nm-applet
[04:45] <slimz> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[04:45] <j4> is this thing working?
[04:45] <Xero> Use the grammar you would use when writing in this channel, please. This channel reflects the Ubuntu community and needs to be very professional and family friendly.
[04:45] <slimz> wow language bot
[04:46] <_dan_> xero u can either accept me saying u, or u can ask me to leave this channel and i wont help ppl her anymore, your choice
[04:46] <slimz> 4real or 1mom mite think 1 4m hackar andcall thecopz
[04:47] <_dan_> slimz did it start, did u try installed esd?
[04:47] <slimz> esd?
[04:47] <Xero> _dan_, I don't even know what to say to that. You could've at least either ignored it or been a bit nicer. If that's how you want to do things, I guess it's not my choice, but yours. Leave if you want, otherwise, stay and do whatever.
[04:48] <_dan_> its the gnome sound deamon, i dont see a reason why it wont run without out but hmm, did the applet start?
[04:48] <Xero> Meh. Whatever.
[04:48] <slimz> _dan_, E: Couldn't find package esd
[04:48] <AmyRose> !u | _dan_
[04:48] <ubotu> _dan_: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:48] <_dan_> Xero i am getting tired of ppl, lurking in channel pasting bot commands, accept it, ignore me, ask me to leave
[04:48] <slimz> Xero,  i need the ubuntu help thanks, not a language lesson
[04:49] <slimz> this isnt channel ENGLISH
[04:49] <Xero> slimz, then stop complaining and ignore my request.
[04:49] <beerfa2> did I slip into the WoW channel?
[04:49] <Xero> Is it that hard? No.
[04:49] <slimz> so ignore _dan_
[04:49] <slimz> is it that hard?
[04:49] <slimz> no
[04:49] <Hobbsee> slimz: you should only be concerned that you're putting yourself forward as about 10 years old, by the language you're using
[04:49] <Hobbsee> but, if you dont care, then..
[04:50] <_dan_> haha do u really think, saying u instead of you says *anything* abouzt the physical age of a person, well think again if U dont wanna be taken as a child
[04:50] <slimz> "don't"
[04:50] <slimz> annoying isn't it?
[04:50] <_dan_> well back to topic
[04:50] <_dan_> slimz did the applet start or not?
[04:50] <AmyRose> _dan_: Yes, it does. =P
[04:50] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[04:50] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:51] <_dan_> AmyRose well that says more about than me
[04:51] <slimz> _dan_, no it did not
[04:51] <j4> does any one know of a driver for trident that supports open gl or glx?
[04:51] <Xero> slimz, I try to make the channel a bit more professional.  It's amazing how immature people can take a request by a person and escalate it into an argument.
[04:51] <DanaG> Whenever I see the letter 'u' alone, I think "oooo".
[04:51] <Xero> Hobbsee, okay. I'll stop "ranting" (if you can call it that) now.
[04:51] <slimz> DanaG, that's because you're obviously new to irc
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Xero: of course, those who like using aimspeak can easily be ignored, too.
[04:52] <_dan_> slimz i had the same problem with tribe 5 whenn i installed it but it went away in a few days, do u have the latest packages?
[04:52] <_dan_> Xero whatever makes u feel yourself superior *yawn*
[04:52] <beerfa2> Xero: someone who's language like "(09:48:31 PM) Xero: Just F-ing Google It?" shouldn't preach at others
[04:52] <slimz> _dan_, no i am running an upgrade now, but it keeps timing out and starting again, i guess i will just let it finish, then look into it further afterwards
[04:53] <slimz> lol
[04:53] <Hobbsee> anyone else?
[04:53] <slimz> wow thanks guys
[04:53] <Xero> slimz, I have been on IRC for years. Maybe I enjoy not getting into a habit and getting my grades screwed up at school? I'm not superior, either, _dan_.
[04:53] <DanaG> Actually, I think 'u' intentionally.
[04:53] <Xero> Now boot me.
[04:53] <_dan_> slimz sry i cant help u anymore, maybe some other ppl will join
[04:53] <DanaG> s/u/oooo/
[04:53] <DanaG> It makes the other person sound bad.
[04:54] <slimz> the guy is just trying to help me, this is the last time i come to this channel
[04:54] <DanaG> Okay.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> did i miss anyone?
[04:54] <Xero>  Sorry for being a grammar Nazi, but I wasn't really trying to start a flamewar.
[04:54] <Xero> Lol.
[04:54] <skinnypuppy1334> HA
[04:55] <AmyRose> Xero: I think ubotu is more of a grammar Nazi.
[04:56] <skinnypuppy1334> Is there a web based forum for gutsy beta users?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !forum
[04:56] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:56] <Hobbsee> skinnypuppy1334: yes, in ^
[04:56] <skinnypuppy1334> thx bot + Hobbsee
[04:56] <hdevalence> I'm having problems with Kaffeine
[04:58] <hdevalence> It won't start, and when I run from a console with --verbose, it doesn't give me anything, not even the usual "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171"
[04:58] <Xero> Why was I under a silence ban anyway? Not picking at or on anyone. I just want to know why I was under silence when others who did the same thing weren't.
[04:58] <AmyRose> And why was I /removed?
[04:58] <Xero> AmyRose, don't push it. I'm likely to get kickbanned just for asking that.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: i warned pepole - i said i'd boot anyone who continued with the language discussions.  and you did.
[04:59] <Xero> Hobbsee, sorry. Didn't know I was carrying it on. Just said I didn't mean to start a flamewar.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Xero: fair enough
[05:00] <AmyRose> I didn't mean to start a flame war either
[05:00] <Xero> AmyRose, I don't think you did. You just fanned it a bit (so did I)
[05:00] <Xero> Okay.  How would I go about doing that?
[05:01] <Xero> Ouch.
[05:01] <hydrogen> !bug | hdevalence
[05:01] <ubotu> hdevalence: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:01] <Xero> Yeah. My laptop is updating F->G
[05:02] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: which ones?
[05:02] <hdevalence> The only reason I'm running Gutsy is that Feisty doesn't like my hardware...
[05:02] <hydrogen> so what will ubuntu do after Zany Zealot is released?
[05:02] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Mostly the openoffice.org ones. Somehow these packages aren't being configured
[05:03] <Xero> hydrogen, Oney One.
[05:03] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Hopefully we never have a release called THAT
[05:03] <_dan_> hydrogen start over again, there is actually a faq question for that i remember reading somewhere ;)
[05:03] <skinnypuppy1334> Can't wait for Antsy AntEater
[05:03] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: use apt-get -f install
[05:03] <hydrogen> I'd think that one would have to start using double letters...
[05:03] <Xero> Gooey Grub.
[05:03] <Xero> The version that fixes a lot of problems with the bootloader.
[05:03] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Thanks, I forgot about that command
[05:04] <Hobbsee> we have problems with the bootloader?
[05:04] <Xero> Hobbsee, no. There probably will be, though.
[05:04] <Xero> Even GRUB/LILO aren't perfect.
[05:04] <skinnypuppy1334> Gutsy handled installing a tripple boot grub for me with 704 and winderz
[05:04] <level1> Xero: whats the deal with grub 2?  is it any better?
[05:04] <Xero> level1, never tried it.
[05:05] <penguincentral> hi.  I am having trouble with the realvnc viewer in gutsy.  I can't enter my password in the window given when i type in vncviewer <ip address>.
[05:05] <Xero> I've heard it sucks, though.
[05:05] <hydrogen> err
[05:05] <hydrogen> aahrus aardwolf
[05:05] <skinnypuppy1334> I have to have windoz for mastercam
[05:05] <Xero> s/1.2/1.25
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> I ditched it with 5.0 ubuntu after playing with suse a while
[05:06] <Xero> diteched?
[05:06] <hydrogen> but I've gotten to running it in virtualbox
[05:06] <Xero> lol
[05:06] <_dan_> i never was into windows, dos ->linux directly
[05:06] <level1> I still have it, intend to use it for games but too lazy
[05:06] <Xero> Ditech is insurance or something, isn't it?
[05:06] <AmyRose> Back in 2004, I had to deal with people pointing out what "cool" things they could do on Windows. Then Compiz and Beryl came out, and I was the one with the last laugh =)
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Virtual box made windows machines fine, but had crc issues with installing from known good files
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> vmware server no probs
[05:07] <Xero> I use Wine/Cedega for games. Cedega is basically just for when programs won't work on Wine.
[05:07] <level1> AmyRose: since when were their cool things you can do with windows?
[05:07] <Xero> That's a very seldom occasion, though.
[05:07] <penguincentral> Xero: how much is cedega?
[05:07] <AmyRose> level1: That's why I put "cool" in quotation marks.
[05:07] <Xero> penguincentral, $pirated.00
[05:07] <level1> Xero: I wish we could re engineer all the cedega stuff for wine
[05:07] <hydrogen> well
[05:07] <hydrogen> all you need to do
[05:08] <AmyRose> People seem to care more about shiny eye-candy than about actual functionality, so when I started using Beryl, and now Compiz, they were so jealous...
[05:08] <skinnypuppy1334> CAD/CAM still pretty windows based. I do use EMC2 cnc machine controller on ubuntu though. Linuxcnc.org
[05:08] <hydrogen> is use cedaga svn/cvs
[05:08] <hydrogen> and its legally free
[05:08] <penguincentral> MSG Xero Where did you get it from?
[05:08] <hydrogen> its only the releases they charge for
[05:08] <penguincentral> god damn it
[05:08] <AmyRose> hydrogen: I have tried getting that working for ages, but I could never get the stupid thing to compile
[05:09] <AmyRose> :)
[05:09] <Xero> :)
[05:09] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, What were you trying to compile?
[05:09] <Xero> My GTK windows are even tinted slightly blue.
[05:10] <AmyRose> Jordan_U: I was talking about Cedega CVS
[05:10] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, Oh, that's definitely a pain.
[05:11] <AmyRose> Jordan_U: yeah, but hydrogen said they could do it
[05:11] <hydrogen> It worked well for me
[05:11] <hydrogen> but I just switched to virtualbox
[05:11] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, There was an ebuild for it for Gentoo at one point but then Cedega got angry and they stopped packaging it
[05:11] <hydrogen> I have a copy of xp.. and it works much smoother than the not an emulater
[05:11] <AmyRose> I have no legal right to run Windows anyway
[05:11] <AmyRose> Xero: Clever :D
[05:11] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Yeah, but I have no legal copies of Windows, and I switched to Linux to avoid XP.
[05:12] <skinnypuppy1334> I wish schools would quit using windows
[05:12] <Xero> I have a legal copy of XP, but the license key is messed up so I had to pirate it on my 3rd install or so.
[05:12] <Jordan_U> I have no legal or illegal copies of Windows :)
[05:12] <AmyRose> I have no idea why Vista requires so much when Compiz can do more than Vista, on a Pentium III
[05:12] <skinnypuppy1334> I'll second that
[05:12] <Xero> Because Vista sucks.
[05:13] <skinnypuppy1334> I saw vista for the first time today. GAG
[05:13] <Xero> I used Vista once.
[05:13] <Xero> The Aero interface looked nice, but I can get that on Linux, plus more.
[05:13] <Xero> Otherwise, it sucked the biggest ones ever.
[05:13] <AmyRose> My sister's boyfriend skipped high school to buy Vista Ultimate. What a waste of $400 US
[05:14] <Jordan_U> The blur in Vista makes me think I don't have my glasses on, I hate it ( don't use it in Compiz either )
[05:14] <skinnypuppy1334> Is there a setting in fusion to stand the windows off the cube surface when rotating?
[05:14] <hydrogen> skipping school to buy a new OS?
[05:14] <penguincentral> AmyRose: that's strange
[05:14] <hydrogen> what a geek :)
[05:14] <penguincentral> !microsoft
[05:14] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:14] <Xero> I use the blur, but only in showoff sessions with many friends gathered around the computer.
[05:14] <hydrogen> what a misguided geek
[05:14] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, That's depressing
[05:14] <penguincentral> hydrogen: at least with ubuntu i can download it straight after school :)
[05:15] <Xero> Slowmode cube time
[05:15] <AmyRose> Yeah, my mom said "So, are you excited about Vista?" sarcastically, and I told her "No, I'm more excited about Kubuntu Feisty" and she said "Smart move!"
[05:16] <Xero> Actually, I have a script run by cron to update my Ubuntu.
[05:16] <hydrogen> hmm
[05:16] <Xero> :)
[05:16] <Xero> Every night at midnight, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:16] <hydrogen> thats just silly
[05:17] <Xero> This computer runs a web server. It's http://www.xero-games.com
[05:17] <AmyRose> She doesn't use Linux, and she was suspicious at first when I switched, but at least now she knows I have been able to get along without Windows for almost 4 years, so... :D
[05:17] <hydrogen> that makes it even sillier
[05:17] <hydrogen> as an admin you should be sure you keep an eye on what is being updated
[05:17] <hydrogen> doing it automatically is asking for problems to occur
[05:18] <Xero> hydrogen, okay then. I'll just take the task out of my crontab and whatnot and do it every frickin day.
[05:18] <hydrogen> as long as you keep an eye on what it is that is being updated
[05:18] <AmyRose> Xero: Why are you advocating a bloated web browser (Firefox) anyway? :P
[05:18] <hydrogen> truly!
[05:18] <Xero> AmyRose, my visitors use IE.
[05:19] <hydrogen> then advocate opera
[05:19] <Xero> Opera is closed source.
[05:19] <hydrogen> which is the best browser currently existing
[05:19] <hydrogen> except for maybe dogg
[05:19] <Xero> Yucky yuck yuck.
[05:19] <hydrogen> so?
[05:19] <hydrogen> its still hands down the best option
[05:19] <Xero> Nasty.
[05:19] <hydrogen> outperforms anything out there
[05:19] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Opera
[05:19] <Xero> Opera could have a keylogger in it. Do you know? Nope. There's no source code.
[05:19] <hydrogen> so?
[05:19] <AmyRose> I normally use Konqueror myself
[05:20] <hydrogen> have you audited the firefox source code?
[05:20] <hydrogen> it could just as easily have a keylogger in it
[05:20] <Xero> hydrogen, I've looked at it a few times.
[05:20] <hydrogen> and no one would know
[05:20] <AmyRose> Have you checked secunia?
[05:20] <hydrogen> because its a gigantic web of mess
[05:20] <AmyRose> Opera and Konq are on top
[05:20] <hydrogen> that is absolutely unfollowable
[05:21] <Xero> I like my extensions, so eat my flaming interweb cookiez.
[05:21] <hydrogen> mm
[05:21] <AmyRose> Xero: But Firefox doesn't care about text shadows and MNG support, while Konqueror and Opera (9.5 a1) have support for those.
[05:21] <hydrogen> I bet you like your ram usage as well
[05:21] <Xero> Actually, yes.
[05:22] <Xero> I'm only using 393MB RAM on the whole system right now, running FF, Thunderbird, Kopete, Deluge, XChat, the entire GNOME desktop, and an update manager.
[05:22] <Xero> Once again, bite my flaming interweb cookies.
[05:22] <penguincentral> can anyone help me out with vncviewer 4.1.1 on gutsy?
[05:22] <AmyRose> Xero: But have you audited those extensions? Many of the popular ones have been known to be security risks (I know Greasemonkey has been outright dangerous, at least in the past)
[05:23] <AmyRose> penguincentral: What package are you using to provide it?
[05:23] <penguincentral> AmyRose: i think it's realvnc
[05:23] <penguincentral> it's the one that came with gutsy
[05:23] <Xero> AmyRose, I don't use Greasemonkey, and if something were malicious, it would probably say 'Windoze onlee nub! me need tu exployt a thingie!!!'
[05:23] <Jordan_U> penguincentral, Not updating?
[05:24] <AmyRose> penguincentral: What problem are you experiencing?
[05:24] <penguincentral> when i type in vncviewer <ip address>, i can't type anything into the text boxes provided for the password etc
[05:25] <penguincentral> when i was on feisty you would type the password into the terminal, but now it throws up a window that i can't even type in
[05:26] <penguincentral> what do you think AmyRose?
[05:26] <AmyRose> I'm not sure...
[05:26] <AmyRose> I know there are other VNC viewers available
[05:26] <penguincentral> ok, but for now, type vncviewer into the terminal.
[05:26] <AmyRose> penguincentral: I just thought of something. Are you keeping your mouse pointer on the text box in the window that pops up?
[05:27] <AmyRose> Otherwise it probably won't work if it's realvnc
[05:27] <penguincentral> yeah, but it does nothing
[05:27] <penguincentral> hold on
[05:27] <penguincentral> it works now
[05:27] <AmyRose> Goody
[05:27] <penguincentral> but very flaky
[05:28] <AmyRose> penguincentral: Funny, now *I* can't get it to work
[05:28] <penguincentral> heh
[05:29] <penguincentral> thanks AmyRose
[05:30] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy update takes forever and a week.
[05:30] <penguincentral> Xero: try it on dial-up like speeds
[05:30] <Xero> penguincentral, how long is that? 2 days or more?
[05:30] <Xero> Mine's 3 hours and counting.
[05:30] <skinnypuppy1334> like drinking a pond through a straw
[05:30] <penguincentral> i did an update, about 40 MB yesterday, and it took about half a day
[05:31] <Xero> This update is a gig or so.
[05:31] <penguincentral> but this is because my broadband is shaped, next week i am back to normal
[05:31] <penguincentral> Xero, oh oh.  how fast is your connection?
[05:31] <Xero> I think it's 3mbit (comcast+Speedbooster)
[05:32] <penguincentral> Xero: I am on 17mbps Telstra Cable Extreme Broadband.  What is speedbooster?
[05:32] <Xero> penguincentral, I don't know.
[05:32] <Xero> How many kilobytes per second do you download, penguincentral, and I'll tell you if mine;s faster or slower.
[05:33] <Xero> I don't really keep track of my speeds.
[05:33] <Xero> It's usually around 700kilobytes per second, though.
[05:33] <penguincentral> do you mean when you are downloading a file, or the speedtest results?
[05:34] <penguincentral> because i posted my speedtest results on my blod
[05:34] <penguincentral> blog
[05:34] <Xero> penguincentral, when downloading.
[05:34] <penguincentral> oh, but anyway here are my speedtest results http://computeruser.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/this-small-time-blogger-has-broadband/
[05:34] <penguincentral> it depends on what i am using
[05:35] <penguincentral> uncapped downloading an flv from keepvid using wget 40kB/s
[05:35] <penguincentral> that's the only downloader that will download those files
[05:36] <Xero> penguincentral, my speedtest says I'm on a 20MBit
[05:36] <Xero> :) I are winnar for you.
[05:36] <penguincentral> i use DownThemAll for most other things, i get between 100kB/s to about 1000kB/s.  I think i reached 2 - 3 mB/s once
[05:36] <penguincentral> for everything else in between, it's 80 kB/s to about 300 kB/s
[05:36] <Xero> I've reached 4 megabytes per second on a premium downloads server (rapidshare premium).
[05:36] <penguincentral> it's pretty good, although i can only download 12GB per month
[05:37] <penguincentral> torrenting is about 20 - 100 kB/s, but on the ubuntu gutsy 7.10alpha5 torrent, it was bloody fast (i forget the speeds)
[05:37] <penguincentral> i use utorrent under wine
[05:38] <_dan_> lotsa upgrade packages today
[05:38] <Xero> http://xero-games.com/index1.php
[05:38] <_dan_> anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust brightness on my laptop?
[05:38] <Xero> Advertisement for Speedtest on the bottom. Those are my speeds.
[05:38] <penguincentral> _dan_: good to hear from you again.  I have 90 updates which total to 121.9 MB, and this is off the main server ;)
[05:39] <_dan_> 155 packages for me, upgrading is at fullspeed as always
[05:39] <penguincentral> Xero: is that your website?
[05:39] <_dan_> more concernd about my brightness settings ;) so weird, 386 kernel does it perfectly, -generic doesnt, maybe i should fill  a bug report but i cant exclude me doing something wrong
[05:40] <Xero> penguincentral, yes.
[05:40] <Xero> It's for a middle school. Don't ask.
[05:40] <penguincentral> Xero: ok then.  do you pay for the domain name? do you run your own web server?
[05:40] <Xero> penguincentral, yes. Yes.
[05:41] <Xero> It's hosted at this house, on Apache2, Ubuntu 7.10
[05:41] <Xero> The domain name is $10/year from Godaddy.com
[05:41] <Xero> The whois isn't masked, sadly.
[05:41] <penguincentral> Xero: nice.  I have a dynamic ip address, which makes running my own web server very hard.
[05:41] <Xero> penguincentral, do this: get a dyndns and a domain.
[05:41] <_dan_> penguincentral get a dyndns then
[05:42] <Xero> Find out the IP of that dyndns and put the domain's A record to it.
[05:42] <Xero> Update the dyndns frequently.
[05:42] <penguincentral> Xero, _dan_: I will consider it, but I don't have a machine that i can keep running for a webserver, and my 12GB allowance also covers uploads
[05:43] <penguincentral> Xero, are you with godaddy?
[05:43] <Xero> penguincentral, yes.
[05:43] <penguincentral> yay for Whois!
[05:43] <Xero> I don't work for them, if that's what you mean.
[05:43] <penguincentral> not for work, but where ur domain is with
[05:44] <Xero> penguincentral, I think my address may be on that whois. Don't hitman me!!!
[05:44] <_dan_> penguincentral well 12g is a bummer, my provider disallowes me running servers anyway, u sure yours allows u that? i guess there are some free webhosters anyway and u should get some webspace from your provider normally
[05:44] <Xero> God. My F>G update takes sooooo
[05:44] <Xero> long
[05:44] <mbt> NearlyFreeSpeech, if you don't need much more than PHP and a database, is quite nice, and priced pretty right.  My site is with them.
[05:44] <Xero> Sorry for the enter pressing.
[05:45] <penguincentral> _dan_: the 12GB includes uploads.   :P
[05:47] <Xero> lol AmyRose.
[05:48] <penguincentral> Xero: your address is not on whois
[05:48] <Xero> Someone please download from that and tell me what speed you're getting.
[05:48] <penguincentral> but your full name is
[05:48] <Xero> penguincentral, good.
[05:49] <Xero> penguincentral, my middle name sucks.
[05:49] <penguincentral> no no Xero, just Ryan King
[05:49] <Xero> penguincentral, oh.
[05:49] <penguincentral> whoops
[05:49] <penguincentral> ;)
[05:49] <Xero> That's fine, though.
[05:49] <AmyRose> Xero: It just matches what your /whois says here
[05:49] <penguincentral> http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=xero-games&tld=com
[05:49] <penguincentral> if you are really interested
[05:50] <Xero> Sitelutions is free btw. I use it for my A and MX records.
[05:50] <Jordan_U> )
[05:50] <Jordan_U> :)
[05:50] <penguincentral> googles
[05:50] <Xero> You need a domain to use it.
[05:51] <Xero> penguincentral, do you want a subdomain of Xero Games?
[05:51] <Xero> I'll make you a 20GB partition and give you access to my large disk.
[05:52] <penguincentral> Xero: i will take it gladly
[05:52] <Xero> penguincentral, then give me a while to set it up and its yours for free.
[05:52] <Xero> Actually, you know what? I'll make it 250 GB instead of 20. I don't use that drive.
[05:52] <penguincentral> ok Xero
[05:53] <Xero> I'll give you an SSH account, write access to the large disk, and you can do whatever.
[05:54] <penguincentral> ok Xero, i sent you a private message
[06:04] <_dan_> anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust laptop brightness while 386 lets me  (sony:laptop) module
[06:08] <_dan_> in my places men u i got 2 entries called "Desktop" how can i get rid of one?
[06:17] <Nicoletho> hello, i just installed a new user on my system, the only thing wrong is my windows partition shows on the desktop and i cannot unmount it.  I was wondering if there was way I could put the Ubuntu CD on a USB Hard Drive and install it from there.
[06:28] <mbt> darwin81: There is a way to do that with Debian, as I understand it.  You should be able to folllow their directions and do the same thing with Ubuntu, I would think.  It would, as I recall, require an alternate install CD.
[06:28] <AmyRose> darwin81: I'm sure it's possible, but I wouldn't know how to do it
[06:30] <darwin81> It would be really cool if you could because I'm tired of burning CDs, losing them, and having to waste more
[06:30] <_dan_> you can order ubuntu cds for free
[06:30] <mbt> Actually, I think I remember seeing an option for that in expert mode.
[06:31] <_dan_> they take a while to come, but its free, really really nice
[06:33] <aliguori> if I had a patch I really wanted to make sure got applied to gfxboot by the time gutsy ga'd, is there someone (or a mailing list) i could ping?
[06:33] <aliguori> there's a bug entry that I just updated but being so close to release, I want to make sure it doesn't get lost in the noise
[06:36] <Hobbsee> aliguori: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[06:37] <Hobbsee> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh hey, who said they use cedega?
[06:38] <DanaG> I'm curious: how does Steam deal with CVSCedega?
[06:38] <DanaG> I'd be worried about it being detected as a cheat.
[06:38] <_dan_> where can i file a bug?
[06:38] <_dan_> !bug
[06:38] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:38] <DanaG> Oh, and OpenAL games with EAX... stupid Creative and their monopoly.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> DarkX: cdrw's are good
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the computer sci / computer engineering computer labs at my college (Cal Poly) just got rid of Windows entirely, and now use solely Linux.
[06:40] <DanaG> It's Fedora 7.  :|
[06:40] <DanaG> They run windows apps, over RDP, in seamless mode, from a Win2k3 server.
[06:41] <aliguori> Hobbsee, thanks!  although that's a fair bit more complicated than I had hoped
[06:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for updates, I insist on seeing changelogs.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> aliguori: no problem.  if you need help, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[06:44] <Hobbsee> disclaimer:  unsure if there are many people there today, as it's a sunday
[06:44] <Hobbsee> aliguori: what bug #, out of interest?
[06:46] <aliguori> Hobbsee, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot/+bug/140713
[06:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140713 in gfxboot "Gutsy Tribe 5 (KVM GUEST) needs -no-kvm to install" [Medium,Triaged]
[06:46] <aliguori> woah, nice :-)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ping
[06:48] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, he's probably not here
[06:48] <DanaG> !apt-zeroconf
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-zeroconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <DanaG> !bug 111145
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[06:52] <DanaG> I have the same issue in my M685.
[06:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I still seriously need a new hostname for my laptop.
[06:53] <DanaG> "m685" is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally lame.
[06:53] <_dan_> how is your desktop called?
[06:54] <DanaG> I don't have a desktop now, actually.
[06:54] <DanaG> The only creative hostname I've thought of is "amaterasu" for a laptop that ran at 70 C idle and up to 87 C load.
[06:55] <DanaG> That's not this one, though.  That one was an Athlon XP-M 1400+ (1200MHz), but my current laptop is a Core Du0 1.83GHz, that runs 35 - 40 idle, and up to 63 or 67, full-load-both-cores.
[06:57] <scipio> how do you see the temp DanaG ?
[06:58] <DanaG> Oh, there's sensors-applet.
[06:58] <DanaG> That reads my ACPI temperature.
[06:58] <scipio> ah thanks :)
[06:58] <DanaG> Oh, and there's the hardware-monitor applet that reads my "coretemp" sensors, too.
[06:59] <DanaG> The oddest thing I see sometimes: ACPI temp jumps to 66 or 70 C and sticks there, and fans speed up.  The two core temperatures stay low, and go down as low as 30 due to the fans being on high.
[06:59] <DanaG> I have to reboot to fix the ACPI temperature.
[07:21] <masterloki> where can I get the restricted drivers for flash and videos
[07:35] <defcon> can someone assign this bug to gutsy or the correct place https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/146728
[07:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146728 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Dots on 16bit Video i810" [Undecided,New]
[07:51] <defcon> my i810 xorg driver is bad in gutsy, i get dots all over videos, can I use feisty's driver?
[07:57] <CoasterMaster> is the beta relatively stable?
[08:00] <nIRV_> hey does tracker index openoffice write 2.x file format?
[08:03] <jp21> Hi.  I was told that I could find the ISO that has the option "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" here:  https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/
[08:03] <jp21> There was a link to an iso the other day but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
[08:04] <jp21> Does anyone know where I can find one that has "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" options?
[08:09] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Pong!  I suppose that was about kvm?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yep
[08:10] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I'll look at the bug, but "kvm dies on boot for some things" is a known upstream bug.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i have no idea if the patch is sane
[08:11] <jp21> RAOF:  Did encryption on install make it into the beta?
[08:12] <jp21> RAOF:  The link you gave me the other day doesn't seem to work today.
[08:12] <RAOF> jp21: I'm typing this from a laptop with LVM-on-crypt, as set up by the beta disc.
[08:13] <jp21> sweet deal!
[08:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Oh, sweet lord.  It's been a while since I've done any assembly coding :)
[08:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: :)
[08:19] <tich> does the switch from feisty to gutsy have many changes to bluetooth?
[08:19] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:19] <jp21> RAOF:  Is this the correct link for the installer that I should be testing:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[08:20] <jp21> For encryption on install that is.
[08:20] <jp21> I just want to make sure that I get the right one.
[08:20] <tich> RAOF, is there somewhere that details bluetooth setup for gutsy?
[08:22] <tich> i've searched the forums and google but can't find anything definitive.
[08:24] <ding_> Anyone try installing GG in vmware? I'm having trouble installing the vmware-tools. The vmhgfs module doesn't install....
[08:27] <tich> how would i check if i have modules loaded?
[08:27] <macogw> is intel wireless working properly in gutsy?
[08:27] <macogw> tich: lsmod
[08:27] <macogw> browsing the forums a bit ago it looked like intel wireless wasnt working on gutsy for a bit, so i'm wondering if it's fixed before i upgrade
[08:28] <tich> my wireless works great.  (and most of the documentation for thinkpads seems to confirm that)
[08:28] <macogw> is it intel wireless?
[08:29] <towlieban> have any of you installed the beta of kde 4 ?
[08:29] <macogw> i have ipw3945 and its always worked great, but i heard intel was changing the drivers and so i dont know how that's going
[08:30] <tich> yes it is intel.  actually thinkwiki says that it could be unstable but i haven't found it to be.
[08:30] <tich> maybe i am just lucky.
[08:30] <macogw> ok
[08:30] <macogw> i wonder if the sky2 driver has improved
[08:30] <tich> oh scratch that... i should have read further...
[08:31] <macogw> im going to get disconnected 20 times trying to download the upgrade since i'm using my wired connection
[08:31] <tich> it says with an update of wpa_supplicant it should be fine
[08:31] <macogw> i have the weirdest linux system ever.  rock solid wireless and flaky wired internet
[08:31] <unravel> i wish i had your problem, macogw
[08:32] <tich> yeah that does seem a bit backwards.  but kinda nice for travelling!
[08:32] <macogw> there's no wireless in my dorm though
[08:32] <tich> the grass is always greener.
[08:33] <macogw> well sky2 dies at high throughput
[08:33] <macogw> so if you try to download anything, the wired driver goes missing
[08:33] <macogw> have to rmmod and modprobe it to get internet going again
[08:33] <macogw> i was rebooting a few times a day to get the internet working again for about 6 months
[08:34] <macogw> hmm what other questions did i have before upgrading....
[08:34] <macogw> is compiz fusion in gutsy?
[08:34] <riotkittie> i need to find a wireless usb adapter that doesnt make me want to stab it.
[08:34] <macogw> tew424ub
[08:34] <riotkittie> no, its in the repos, tho, i think
[08:34] <macogw> by trendnet
[08:34] <macogw> whats the default desktop effects in gutsy?
[08:34] <macogw> er....pre-installed ones i guess, not exactly default
[08:34] <jp21> I wish Network Manager 0.7 was to go final before Gutsy goes final.
[08:35] <riotkittie> there's some minor compiz effects going on ... desktop wall's the only one i can remember
[08:36] <macogw> so its still old compiz?
[08:36] <macogw> ok
[08:36] <riotkittie> yep
[08:36] <macogw> the xserver-xorg-video-intel are now default instead of -i810 for intel systems, right?
[08:37] <macogw> and -intel doesnt need 915resolution to get proper resolutions?
[08:38] <tich> does anyone know if there is a linux/ubuntu bluetooth irc channel?
[08:38] <tich> bluez doesn't seem to have one.
[08:38] <smudge007> macogw, I have an i945 and didnt need 915resolution
[08:39] <macogw> awesome
[08:39] <macogw> ok i guess i can upgrade then
[08:39] <macogw> i cant think of anything else....
[08:39] <macogw> SD readers havent been broken again, have they?
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh wait, for the person with wired-ethernet troubles: ndiswrapper works for wired, too.
[08:40] <macogw> thats me
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh, and for wireless USB, there's Zydas.  But I haven't used it with wpa or wpa2.
[08:40] <macogw> whats funny is the windows driver used to have the same issue
[08:40] <macogw> the buffer was too low
[08:40] <macogw> trendnet's tew424ub uses the Zydas chipset
[08:40] <macogw> according to a mailing list post, it does work with wpa and wpa2
[08:41] <smudge007> macogw, sorry haven't tried the readers on mine (which is Sony memstick anyway)
[08:41] <macogw> sony ms isnt supported AFAIK
[08:41] <macogw> i just remember there being working-but-not-loaded drivers for texas instruments sd in edgy
[08:42] <macogw> then during feisty alphas they were broken, then working for a kernel, then broke again when someone put an old non-working version of the driver back in thinking he was upgrading because he didnt know someone else had already upgraded it beyond that version
[08:44] <DanaG> Oh, I think there IS some memorystick support.
[08:44] <DanaG> However, I can't test it -- I have none of those cards.
[08:47] <macogw> as of april there wasnt for Texas Instruments readers, though i do think the dev said that MS would be the next ones he worked on
[08:48] <macogw> eep just saw that there's a bug in intel sound on gutsy....i hope this works
[08:48] <masterloki> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[08:48] <masterloki>  'Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070823)'
[08:48] <masterloki> how can i work around this to get the install I need
[08:48] <macogw> take the cd entry out of your sources.list
[08:48] <masterloki> ok
[08:48] <macogw> umm.....the upgrade seems to have frozen
[08:48] <tich> i think i fixed my bluetooth problem. woohoo. yay.
[08:48] <macogw> lovely
[08:49] <macogw> it stopped on "modifying software channels"/"fetching file 47 of 90"
[08:49] <DanaG> I don't have working capture with my hda-intel.
[08:50] <tich> has anyone had a problem with the computer locking up if they run a fullscreen (3d) game?
[08:51] <macogw> ive never had a mic so i wouldnt know on that
[08:52] <tich> my microphone doesn't work.  it will send sound through the speakers but not to applications (like sound recorder or skype)
[08:56] <macogw> hmmm, fairly good download rates on the upgrade...therefore, likely to disconnect
[08:56] <macogw> as long as download speeds are slow, sky2 is ok
[08:58] <darrend> how do I disable NetworkManager permanently (so it doesn't start after a reboot at least)
[08:59] <macogw> system > pref > sessions
[09:00] <macogw> remove it from startup
[09:00] <macogw> darrend: ^
[09:00] <tich> macogw, you beat me to it ;-)
[09:00] <darrend> macogw: isn't that just the applet?  I want the service disabled too..
[09:01] <macogw> i think the applet starts the service, doesnt it?
[09:02] <darrend> don't think so.. the service is running before a gdm login
[09:02] <macogw> oh
[09:02] <macogw> i knew it kept running after logout but didnt think it started before
[09:02] <macogw> then id guess its in init
[09:03] <darrend> no, it's not (well, not in init.d anyway)
[09:03] <darrend> rebooting again now to check..
[09:04] <macogw> install bootchart.  if it happens during boot stuff, bootchart will show it
[09:05] <darrend> yes, it's definitely running before gdm loads after reboot
[09:05] <darrend> which is what I thought
[09:07] <chronographer> Hello anyone else have trouble downloading the msttcorefonts package?  My gutsy install times out when connecting to sourceforge...
[09:07] <chronographer> help please?
[09:17] <jp21> I remember reading somewhere that Broadcom chipsets will work out of the box on Gutsy.  Does anyone have any experience with this?
[09:17] <jp21> I'm hoping my WMP54GS will work out of the box :)
[09:19] <jp21> I guess I'll find out after I'm finished download the beta lol
[09:23] <chronographer> there seems to be noone else here!
[09:23] <chronographer> I have a belkin it worked out of the box
[09:24] <jp21> chronographer:  sweet deal!
[09:25] <chronographer> yep!  oh and my printer worked also. it was there when i first booted up thats amazing!
[09:26] <jp21> That's what I've heard.  Just plug and play!  Who'd have thunk it?  :)
[09:28] <chronographer> who'd a thunk
[09:28] <jp21> lol  forgive me.  I'm bad with sayings.
[09:29] <jp21> I really like that they've addressed some of the laptop issues as well.
[09:30] <jp21> Now hopefully I can use Ubuntu on the laptop without scalding myself
[09:30] <jp21> The fan/cooling control was terrible before.  The CPU would run at max and so would the fans.
[09:32] <chronographer> i see.  tried feisty on a friends laptop but his touchscreen didn't work, neither did the wireless card. When he next visits I will force gutsy on him, see what happens then!
[09:32] <jp21> You mean the touchpad?
[09:32] <jp21> Or did it actually have a touchscreen?
[09:34] <jp21> My friend at work love it on his laptop.  But he's kinda worried about the battery usage.  So maybe I'll re-install it for him.
[09:34] <jp21> Even though it took me many hours to get the thing configured just right.  hehe
[09:35] <jp21> He was a huge WinAmp fan
[09:35] <Lynoure> The Dynamic power profile heats this up way more now than before...
[09:35] <jp21> so when I loaded up xmms he was tickled.  lol
[09:35] <jp21> really?
[09:36] <chronographer> it has a touchscreen, like a tablet pc
[09:36] <jp21> ahhhh  I don't know if that'd work.
[09:36] <chronographer> they can, but this is a cheep no brand lappy which uses wierd parts, nobody else has one in the forums
[09:37] <jp21> interesting.
[09:39] <jp21> Lynoure:  is the system you've mentioned giving off more heat an upgrade or fresh install to Gutsy Beta?
[09:40] <Lynoure> jp21: upgrade
[09:41] <Lynoure> jp21: I always go for upgrade first, as I think that's more interesting to test...
[09:43] <Lynoure> jp21: it's basicly fan level 1 vs fan level 2 and 69 Celcius vs. 59 Celcius before.
[09:43] <Lynoure> Basicly, from processor heatwise, Dynamic, even when I'm not doing more than SSHing out, seems same as Performance, both pushing the system a lot.
[09:44] <jp21> hrmmmm
[09:44] <jp21> that kinda sucks
[09:45] <Lynoure> Where can one configure default action for closing the lid, nowadays?
[09:46] <Lynoure> (in kubuntu, that is)
[09:46] <jp21> I'm still installing the beta.    The download speed is terrible.  (150KB/sec)
[09:48] <nurettin> it say apt-get -f install
[09:49] <jscinoz> Hey guys, is there a simple way to create a dummy package for fiesty apps that want an old version of a particular library?
[09:49] <jp21> wouldn't you need to resolve the dependency?
[09:50] <nurettin> how resolve
[09:50] <nurettin> ?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> nurettin: then do apt-get -f install, like it tells you
[09:51] <nurettin>  scalemail depends on postfix (>= 0.0.20010329.SNAPSHOT).
[09:51] <nurettin> i want remove scalemail but is it error
[09:52] <Hobbsee> remove postfix too then, if you insist.
[09:52] <nurettin>  scalemail
[09:52] <nurettin> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> nurettin: if scalemail depends on postfix, then you dont have to remove postfix.  you'r ethinking backwards
[09:53] <Hobbsee> and the error is higher than that, your 1 line is useless.
[09:53] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: Any recommendations where I should file a bug where PowerManager seems to treat Dynamic and Performance identically? Or where I can configure the stuff that used to be configurable under klaptop?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure:
[09:54] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ dpkg -S guidance-power-manager
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop
[09:54] <nurettin> what command must write ? sudo apt-get remove ????
[09:54] <Hobbsee> nurettin: why *are* you running gutsy?
[09:55] <nurettin> because
[09:55] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: thanks.
[09:55] <nurettin> my laptop sd mmc card reader not running 7.04
[09:55] <nurettin> but in 7.10 running
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: as for a more configurable version, i assume you've clicked on the icon, and found those settings.  for more control, use kpowersave
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: (there are plans to combine them for kde4, or something, iirc)
[09:56] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I clicked on the icon, found no settings other than choosing the current profile.
[09:56] <nurettin> why ask to me of using version ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> nurettin: because you dont seem to know much about dependancies at all, and gutsy still breaks.
[09:57] <nurettin> what is thinking backwards ?
[09:57] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: previously I could change some settings, like default profiles for battery use, and so on, I think
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: was that g-p-m, kpowersave, or klaptopdaemon?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: oh, left click, not right click?
[09:58] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: ooh. thanks.
[09:58] <nurettin> Hobbsee: which command resolve my problem remove postfix and dependacies ?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> nurettin: i have no idea, you didnt tell me enough information as to why scalemail broke.  you just said that it did.  i dont think you actually want to remove postfix.
[10:00] <nurettin> Hobbsee: how can i show you information ?
[10:00] <nurettin> Hobbsee: chown: cannot access `/var/run/scalemail': No such file or director
[10:02] <jscinoz> oh wow my system is going crazy with errors atm.
[10:02] <jscinoz> root and home partition completely full, time to nuke vista partition :D
[10:05] <Lynoure> What's the expected CPU usage of strigidaemon?
[10:05] <nurettin> Hobbsee: excuse me i resolved
[10:05] <nurettin> scale mail reinstall package
[10:05] <Lynoure> Because indeed, there is more load, mostly because strigidaemon is taking 97% of the CPU
[10:05] <nurettin> and remove package my problem resolved
[10:06] <Lynoure> and this is while it shows "idling" as it's status
[10:31] <mendred> hi how can i associate the quick launcher applet's open with file manager option with dolphin? By default it opens konqueror
[10:35] <cdm10> I really disagree with the decision to have effects enabled by default.
[10:35] <cdm10> My card is detected as supporting effects, but there's a "black window bug" which means that when effects are enabled, every so often, every new window shows up black.
[10:35] <cdm10> An inexperienced user might not know what to disable to fix it.
[10:35] <_dan_> cdm10 install nvidia-glx-new
[10:35] <_dan_> and the bug goes away
[10:35] <cdm10> _dan_: No, it doesn't, I've been through this.
[10:36] <_dan_> ok that suckz then :/
[10:36] <_dan_> need help with disabling it?
[10:36] <cdm10> _dan_: No, I know what I'm doing. It's just that inexperienced users don't.
[10:36] <_dan_> or do u just say defaulting it is bad?
[10:36] <cdm10> _dan_: I'm just saying that defaulting it is bad.
[10:36] <_dan_> ok, i agree with that btw ;)
[10:37] <cdm10> ha
[10:37] <cdm10> ok
[10:37] <cdm10> I'm done ranting for today, I've yelled at my computer enough
[10:37] <cdm10> bye
[10:37] <_dan_> lol
[10:58] <pasnox> hi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive
[10:58] <pasnox>  i need reboot to let it work fine
[10:58] <pasnox>  and when rebooting because if this probleme many time it freeze
[11:00] <fulat2k> hi folks, is there a way to use the cd's cdromupgrade w/o X?  i did a network upgrade on my kubuntu feisty but it failed.  now x doesn't start.
[11:01] <asisak> fulat2k: I guess you can dist-upgrade if the CD repository has been added to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <pasnox> nobody know this problem ?
[11:02] <pasnox> here is a log of messages file : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/
[11:02] <hetauma> hi! I installed gutsy worked fine but when I booted windows again a program I had fixed MBR so I don't have now grub? how can I boot my installation of gutsy and fix grub? Now I'm working from gutsy's live cd
[11:03] <hetauma> !grub
[11:03] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:06] <fulat2k> asisak: hmm... ok.  lemme try that.  x doesn't work, but network and the rest of the system is still there.
[11:07] <asisak> fulat2k: let me know if you need further help
[11:11] <fulat2k> asisak: thx for the offer.  added cdrom in sources.  now doing and update.
[11:12] <asisak> fulat2k: cool :)
[11:12] <_dan_> servers for u guys so slow too?
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: which servers? :)
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: you should probably use a faster one...
[11:13] <_dan_> ubuntu
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: you mean the ubuntu package mirror?
[11:13] <_dan_> yes
[11:14] <_dan_> exactly :)
[11:14] <asisak> _dan_: then you can switch to another mirror.
[11:14] <_dan_> i usually get full speed, but now its 80kb
[11:14] <fulat2k> asisak: ahh.. something i've never seen on an ubuntu system: python dependency :P
[11:14] <asisak> _dan_: Waiting... can also solve this, of course.
[11:15] <_dan_> yeah i will go with the waiting since i dont want to switch to a serveroutside my country
[11:15] <DanaG> Oh, you can look for other mirrors.
[11:15] <kurros> Software Sources app, Download From -V- Other, and click [Select Best Server]
[11:15] <_dan_> allthough it traces outside my country anyway which is weird but hmm
[11:15] <DanaG> Google for "Ubuntu mirrors"
[11:15] <kurros> does a speed test
[11:16] <_dan_> yeah thx i know that
[11:16] <DanaG> Oh, and then look for ones at places like colleges.
[11:16] <DanaG> For example, in USA, I use mirrors.kernel.org.
[11:17] <_dan_> i got at.archive.ubuntu.com in my sources list
[11:17] <_dan_> weird is, its not in .at
[11:17] <Windkracht8> Good day, the special effects in gutsy, what program is that/where can I report a bug, I've got a bug to report
[11:17] <fulat2k> asisak: apt-get -f install managed to solve the problem.  now continuing with apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:18] <asisak> fulat2k: yeah, a (hopefully limited) sequence of "apt-get install -f " && "apt-get dist-upgrade" usually solves the upgrade problem.
[11:24] <DanaG> !aptitude
[11:24] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[11:24] <Almindor> did nvidia [9xxx driver]  / Xorg just break?
[11:25] <Almindor> I updated since yesterday and am now getting error on loading kernel module on X start (modprobe nvidia works fine tho)
[11:25] <pasnox> hi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/
[11:25] <fulat2k> asisak: hope this works.  it's strange that apt-get is fetching the packages from the mirror instead of using those in the cd.
[11:28] <asisak> fulat2k: it chooses the source in order of the list.
[11:28] <asisak> IIRC
[11:28] <DanaG> wtf?  Version <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu9:   * debian/patches/64_read_brightness_not_actual_brightness.patch: Read the brightness from /sys/class/backlight/foo/brightness, not actual_brightness. It makes more sense to change based on the brightness that we wanted to set, not the brightness that we actually set.
[11:29] <DanaG> Doesn't make sense to me.... that'll break my brightness changing.
[11:41] <redheat> hi everyne
[11:41] <rexy_> heya redheat
[11:41] <redheat> I'm installing the nvidia drivers distributed by Nvidia right now, and I have a question regarding an error that just popped out of nowhere telling me that
[11:42] <DanaG> /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules
[11:42] <redheat> I don't have the library C development package and they're asking me to install it
[11:42] <redheat> hi rexy
[11:42] <DanaG> disable nvidia nvidia_new nv
[11:42] <redheat> how do I install the Development C package?
[11:42] <redheat> library development package
[11:43] <DanaG> build-essential is the easiest thing, I think.
[11:43] <redheat> DanaG, were you answering my question?
[11:43] <rexy_> you can also search in aptitude for specific packages
[11:43] <redheat> sorry didn't read that
[11:44] <redheat> rexy, DanaG, are you both answering my question, or someone else's ?
[11:44] <DanaG> I was answering yours, in 2 parts.
[11:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the repos have 100.14.11 in them now, as nvidia-glx-new.
[11:45] <DanaG> Why use the nvidia.com package?
[11:45] <rexy_> whats new about them?
[11:45] <redheat> its better and I can access features like Anti Aliasing..
[11:45] <DanaG> What version?
[11:45] <redheat> 100.14.19
[11:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I mis-typed.
[11:46] <DanaG> Those are in the repos now.
[11:46] <DanaG> Sorry for confusing you.
[11:46] <DanaG> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:46] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-12.4 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[11:46] <DanaG> Hmm, time to put my laptop to sleep, and me too.
[11:48] <redheat> DanaG, you mean 100.14.19 is already included with the new Nvidia driver offered by Ubuntu as part of Gutsy Gibbon?
[11:49] <redheat> but still can't get access to the other features like Antia Aliasing..in other words the settings manager for my Nvidia driver?
[11:49] <redheat> also one more question?
[11:49] <redheat> whatever happened to the beautiful and awesome Beryl?
[11:49] <redheat> this whole new compizfusion should be named compizconfusion
[11:50] <redheat> gotta go guys..
[11:50] <redheat> thank you all for your help
[11:50] <redheat> take care and have a nice day or night
[11:50] <redheat> :)
[11:51] <Rudd-O> guys
[11:51] <Rudd-O> need help
[11:51] <Rudd-O> seems gutsy has a bug and it-s preventing my system from starting up
[11:51] <Rudd-O> i-m using a livecd as a stopgap measure
[11:51] <Rudd-O> someone here with experience in initramfs_
[11:51] <Rudd-O> ?
[11:52] <Rudd-O> please help!
[11:52] <Rudd-O> my system wont start up, it starts the MD arrays underlying the LVM root volume, but it never gets around to starting the LVM volumes!
[11:59] <savvas> does anyone know of any sound equalizer for gnome/kde?
[12:01] <jussi01> is there a kubuntu 7.10 beta DVD?
[12:09] <rexy_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[12:09] <savvas> jussi01: what rexy_ pointed
[12:15] <Zoiks> so.. I think gutsy and I have managed to stuff up access to one of my hard drives. Who wants to be my hero and help me :)
[12:21] <rexy_> Zoiks: can you access the disk from the livecd?
[12:22] <Zoiks> no
[12:22] <Zoiks> http://pastebin.com/m61a866e
[12:23] <Zoiks> im getting that
[12:23] <minimec> Hi folks. Can you confirm some problems with the update-manager? I try to fire up an update for an hour now...
[12:24] <rexy_> does dmesg give lots of read errors?
[12:27] <Zoiks> yes
[12:29] <rexy_> can you paste them?
[12:29] <rexy_> i'd venture a guess and say the disk is trashed then
[12:31] <Zoiks> http://pastebin.com/m47f0dc1f
[12:32] <finalbeta> every upgrade I've done in gutsy I tried the visual effects settings. every time it has a whole new way of crashing on me. Yet this time, it only freezes up. and the warning dialog ok button doesn't work.
[12:33] <rexy_> zoiks did you check the disk for bad blocks?
[12:35] <enyc>  I have had many bad disks... or new disks with grown defects that need mapping out before use
[12:35] <Zoiks> thats what fsck does yes?
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: no
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: that only checks structure
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: "badblocks" checks every sector
[12:36] <rexy_> well you can force a disk into normal use by mapping out the badblocks yes
[12:36] <rexy_> but it's not a very good idea
[12:36] <tich> does anyone use liferea?  mine broke after the last update.  does anyone else have this problem
[12:36] <tich> ?
[12:36] <enyc> I like to do a 'badblocks -wvs /dev/sda' or similar on new or re-using disks from KNOPPIX etc... -- this DESTOYS all data tho
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: erm... the hard disk does this itself
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: but you need to poke it sometimes with badblocks to make its errors disapperar
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: they are not 'mapped out' in the filesystem
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: the hard disk itself swaps out at sector-level once given a few read/write passes
[12:37] <rexy_> i know disk manage bad blocks themselves, never heard about badblocks interfacing with that though
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: badblocks is a way to cause it to happen
[12:37] <rexy_> ah like that
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: the act of reading and then writing every sector....
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: also shows you if there are any 'lasting' problems afterwards
[12:38] <rexy_> but most likely if you see bad blocks appear that means the disk already allocated all bad blocks that it could
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: well... if you dont read the disk often enough
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: a sector can "grow" too too bad-a-defect
[12:39] <rexy_> bad-a-defect?
[12:39] <Lynoure> finalbeta: I haven't yet even figured out how to enable them in kubuntu...
[12:39] <enyc> rexy_: i.e. too-bad -- it cant read it via ECC at all
[12:40] <rexy_> isee. is there a way to trigger the badblock detection on the disk via badblocks without actually writing?
[12:40] <tich> what do folks use for rss feeds?
[12:40] <rexy_> google
[12:40] <enyc> rexy_: well... you can firstly do a "badblocks -vs" without "w" which is readonly
[12:40] <Lynoure> tich: akregator
[12:40] <enyc> rexy_: but drives may not swap-out until you actually write to sectors, apparently
[12:40] <finalbeta> Lynoure: oh, I can't enable it on this PC. the ati card doesn't support it. I would just like to open the dialog once without it stalling or crashing. The real bugs only start if you can actually start it. Why they enable this is beyond me. Makes me lose faith.
[12:40] <rexy_> i used liferea for awhle but it's very slow
[12:40] <hylje> akrekator
[12:41] <tich> Lynoure, do you use kubuntu?
[12:41] <Lynoure> tich: yes.
[12:41] <tich> ah.
[12:41] <enyc> rexy_: so -- assuming no filesystems/swaps are mounted... you can use 'badblocks -nvs' or spinrite/similar  which temporaraially replaces the data in each sector then puts it back... but could be bad if the process 'crashes'
[12:41] <Lynoure> tich: but you can install kde programs even if you use gnome...
[12:41] <tich> it works fine after today's updates i assume.
[12:41] <rexy_> enyc well should be alright as long as you're not running off a bad disk right
[12:42] <rexy_> but yeah it's risky and takes longer too
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: well any disk grows defects.. its normal
[12:42] <tich> yeah i know... but it always installs a bunch of stuff and never quite looks right.
[12:42] <rexy_> true i suppose
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: good raid controllers do read-passes at least, checking all the checksums
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: they keep checksums of data its stored and compare and stuff
[12:43] <enyc> rexy_: and probably rewrite sectors if suspect bother
[12:43] <rexy_> i'd assume so
[12:43] <enyc> rexy_: and declare drives 'dead' if they are not able to sort themselves out
[12:44] <rexy_> bit overkill for the average computer heh
[12:44] <enyc> rexy_: ;-)  but worth keeping backups still
[12:45] <rexy_> i keep backups of my backups :|
[12:45] <rexy_> then again, whats good for long term storage
[12:45] <rexy_> cd's/dvd's tend to die rather quick
[12:46] <Lynoure> rexy_: how long term?
[12:46] <enyc> rexy_: grown defects are a reason that you can have weird problem  magically fixed by reinstall-OS
[12:46] <rexy_> say 3 year plus, but i'm still looking for something that will store for a decade
[12:46] <Lynoure> rexy_: hard disks kept unplugged and in stable temperate work well... and magnetic tapes are not bad either.
[12:47] <enyc> rexy_: the 'reinstall' on new filesystem means that any 'new' data will have been written, and this causes drive to remap ?? something like that
[12:48] <rexy_> enyc:  that makes sense yeah
[12:49] <rexy_> Lynoure: how accurate is that, did anyone try/test that?
[12:50] <rexy_> i'd expect for such long periods demagnitizing to some degree would occur?
[12:50] <Lynoure> rexy_: You can google for the results, I don't remember names/references like that
[12:51] <Zoiks> if i just run badblocks /dev/sdc1
[12:51] <Zoiks> what would it do
[12:51] <Zoiks> just check it
[12:51] <Zoiks> ?
[12:52] <rexy_> well with the proper flags yes
[12:52] <rexy_> do you have important data on sdc?
[12:52] <Zoiks> well thats whats running atm
[12:52] <Zoiks> and sdc is my backup drive
[12:52] <Zoiks> im guessing i just did the wrong thing
[12:53] <rexy_> no what enyc said makes perfect senes
[12:53] <rexy_> *sense
[12:53] <rexy_> can you still boot another os and access your backup partition?
[12:53] <Zoiks> i just typed badblocks /dev/sdc1 into console
[12:53] <Zoiks> well it was working before in windows
[12:54] <jonathan_> is there any news again? at ubuntu 7.10 beta?
[12:54] <jonathan_> anything new?
[12:54] <rexy_> you might want to make sure you have a backup of that backup on aother disk
[12:54] <Zoiks> but it would be too late now if i have already started it?
[12:55] <Zoiks> or would it be safe to cancel the process and drop back into windows?
[12:55] <rexy_> i dont know what badblocks does in default mode
[12:55] <joakim-> i've got a problem that's so weird i barely know where to start... i had the same problem in feisty, on the live cd, in gutsy a few days after installing that and now on a completely clean installed gutsy as well.  the desktop background just disappears and nautilus cant be started unless i start it as root. when i go into gconf-editor and untick draw the background, and then tick it again, the background comes back. but i still cant double
[12:55] <joakim-> click. ive tried removing  .gnome/2 .nautilus and what not and then loggin in again when it briefly works but immediately comes back again. its starting to get a little annoying this! anyone know what this can be caused by?
[12:56] <joakim-> the last clean install i did, gutsy is not even touching an hdd that wasnt formatted poperly
[12:56] <joakim-> no extra changes made, just used the clean install
[12:57] <joakim-> im about to rip out everything in my computer, but it doesnt really make sense to me as its the same fault every single time
[12:57] <Zoiks> ok... well im just going to leave it
[12:57] <Zoiks> ill come back later and report
[12:57] <Zoiks> thanks for the help guys
[01:00] <joakim-> theres one session of nautilus automatically starting at login, but i cant kill that process
[01:01] <joakim-> i dont get any error msg what so ever, not even when starting nautilus again
[01:02] <rexy_> it's used
[01:03] <rexy_> you want it
[01:03] <rexy_> i forgot why
[01:07] <_dan_> soooo
[01:07] <_dan_> since gutsy runs fine on laptop, time to upgrade desktop
[01:07] <_dan_> wish me luck
[01:07] <enyc> _dan_: hehehe ive been okap with upgrade, not with previous install disk
[01:07] <enyc> _dan_: so you will probably be fine ;-)  good luck ;-)
[01:08] <_dan_> only thing that bothers me is that my icon theme isnt working 100% on laptop
[01:08] <joakim-> no one has any ideas what it could be?
[01:11] <enyc> joakim-: thats weird
[01:11] <joakim-> mhm..
[01:11] <enyc> joakim-: are you getting kernel errors or similar?
[01:12] <joakim-> ive checked kern.log and as far as i can se, no
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: i have a machine thats been upgraded from hoary5.04-breezy5.10-dapper6.06-edgy6.10-feisty7.04 .. still works
[01:12] <joakim-> dont really know what to look for
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: lookn in "dmesg"
[01:12] <joakim-> but theres no red flashing errors :=
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: i.e. run "dmesg"
[01:13] <joakim-> yah thats the same as in system log and kern.log
[01:13] <joakim-> hmm.. "[  127.275980]  kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383!"
[01:14] <joakim-> found that now
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: aah hrrm
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: thats not good ;-)
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: that could cause weird process crashes ;-)
[01:15] <joakim-> i guess.. thing is nautilus dont crash tho
[01:15] <enyc> joakim-: are there other errors?  like... unable to read disk  readby
[01:15] <joakim-> its just.. not working
[01:15] <joakim-> and feisty was using 2.6.20 too, dunno if it was the same there..
[01:16] <enyc> joakim-: do you have a fs over 2tb or other such possible unusual config snags?
[01:16] <joakim-> got two 250gb drives
[01:16] <joakim-> one external but ive made sure to plug that one out
[01:17] <enyc> kk fine
[01:17] <joakim-> [   52.423935]  Failure registering capabilities with primary security module.
[01:17] <joakim-> that one too..
[01:17] <joakim-> have no idea what it means tho :)
[01:17] <enyc> joakim-: maybe this is a problem with the apparmor ?
[01:17] <enyc> joakim-: maybe you should pastebin the dmesg?
[01:18] <joakim-> sure
[01:18] <joakim-> apparmor wasnt installed in feisty tho
[01:18] <enyc> fine
[01:18] <enyc> but something about your system creates errors
[01:19] <joakim-> of course
[01:19] <enyc> i would be upgrading the bios/kernel/firmware, make sure memtest86+ and badblocks hdd works, and doing a "default install" and seeing if it still fails myself
[01:19] <joakim-> http://pastebin.com/m354d4916
[01:19] <enyc> ive had some really weird problems with hard-disk-access magically fixed by bios upgrade for example
[01:20] <joakim-> yeah
[01:20] <joakim-> what i dont get is that it seems to be the exact same fault every single time
[01:20] <joakim-> at least the same symptom
[01:21] <joakim-> but then of course a computer can cough so to speak and his little toe hurts, not the throat, so..
[01:21] <enyc> joakim-: dont understand abotu toe/throat/cough
[01:21] <joakim-> ah nm
[01:21] <joakim-> works with customers who dont know shit about computers
[01:22] <joakim-> (on why a troubleshoot is needed)
[01:23] <enyc> #
[01:23] <joakim-> i think im gonna update bios and run thorough diags on the hdd's though
[01:23] <enyc> Assertion failure in dx_probe() at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383:
[01:23] <enyc> erk
[01:23] <enyc> I would run memtest86+ for a while
[01:23] <enyc> and then upgrade bios
[01:24] <enyc> and then i would boot knoppix or equivalent live and 'badblocks -wvs' and hard disk device you do not mind DESTROY ALL DATA on
[01:24] <enyc> and then see if it all works
[01:24] <enyc> the invalid_opcode is really bad sign
[01:27] <savvas> do you know any program that improves the sound output? like srs wow for windows?
[01:27] <joakim-> alright
[01:27] <joakim-> thanks for the help
[01:36] <dan___> oki upgraded, problem is cryptsetup segfaults for me now
[01:39] <afief> Compiz seems to be turned off on my system by default, how can i enable it?
[01:39] <acuster> Hey all, is there a way to boot from the cd kernel but mounting the install partition?
[01:40] <acuster> ah, maybe with the root parameter
[01:43] <sirrus> Hi, does anyone how things are in gutsy with rt2500, especially when it comes to using WPA? When I tried the gutsy beta ISO it didn't work.
[01:44] <dan___> cryptsetup keeps failing after gutsy upgrade as normal user
[01:44] <penguin42> dan___: What error?
[01:44] <dan___> segfaults
[01:44] <penguin42> oops
[01:45] <dan___> automount doenst work eitehr but i guess i need to reconf pam
[01:45] <penguin42> dan___: I only use it as root, and it's OK there
[01:46] <penguin42> reconf pam for automount? Why? Don't you just set up nsswitch.conf?
[01:46] <dan___> yeah works as root, but since i had it autmount with gdm login i am not sure weather its only useable as root anymore
[01:46] <dan___> i decrypt my data drive with same apssword i use for gdm, so gdm+pam makes it for me, anyway
[01:47] <dan___> where does pidgin save my userdata
[01:47] <dan___> its not in .pidgin as it should be
[01:49] <afief> dan___, .purple
[01:49] <dan___> oh
[01:49] <dan___> thx
[01:49] <afief> dan___, pidgin itself saves no data, it's libpurple that does
[01:51] <dan___> oki, one prob solved, one to go
[01:52] <penguin42> dan___: Oh I see, that's a pretty neat pam trick
[01:52] <dan___> yeah but i overrote something
[01:55] <savvas> dan___ 's right, it should be .pidgin :P
[01:55] <savvas> or at least have it linked
[01:55] <dan___> why does my pc speaker beep when i del stuff
[01:56] <dan___> so lets google the pam thing
[01:56] <dan___> brb
[01:59] <_dan_> gutsy play some weird sound every few minutes
[01:59] <_dan_> allthough i disabled system sounds
[02:00] <ratpoison> hello! gutsy amd64 user, encountering problems with oofice base, draw and impress e.g. http://pastebin.com/m3ea03212
[02:03] <szf> my last two boots have unsuccessfully loaded gnome-panel - anyone else see this recently?
[02:04] <jxxxt> mine did this also
[02:05] <hype_> seems ok for me now
[02:05] <hype_> did you update && upgrade?
[02:06] <savvas> szf: killall gnome-panel
[02:07] <savvas> press alf-F2
[02:09] <szf> yes, killall gnome-panel will resolve it, but is it a reportable bug?
[02:09] <szf> ...or did something in gconf get wacked?
[02:10] <savvas> probably, no idea :) doesn't hurt to report hehe
[02:12] <szf> it does hurt but then i get another "status:unconfirmed" email - forever
[02:12] <szf> ;-)
[02:13] <savvas> ratpoison: does the same here, it looks like it gets stuck on oqstart
[02:14] <savvas> szf: that doesn't mean it's not reviewed