[04:04] <Laserbeast> Well, you're loading a whole new device, I would.. I rebooted with ndiswrapper after I installed my Linksys card
[04:04] <Tiago_> excelent :)
[04:04] <Laserbeast> 7.10 is so godly
[04:04] <nilson> I see a kernel message in /var/log/messages
[04:04]  * MilitantPotato got the new ATI drivers working finally, goodbye XGL!
[04:04] <Laserbeast> Ubuntu has grown so much since the Warty Warthog betas... Can't believe that was over 3-4 years ago
[04:04] <nilson> says ACPI: PCI interrupt for device (Wlan Card) disabled
[04:04] <nilson> why would that be..
[04:04] <nilson> ill reboot.
[04:04] <meoblast001>  whats the first command used in compiling if all i have is a makefile?
[04:04] <Laserbeast> hmm
[04:05] <nilson> meoblast001: no .configure file?
[04:05] <Laserbeast> yeah reboot, I'll be here when you get back if it works or not Nilson
[04:05] <meoblast001> no
[04:05] <meoblast001> or i could g++ since its only 1 file
[04:05] <nilson> I'm on my mac right now, Im sitting beside the one im working on
[04:05] <meoblast001> but i dont know what to use
[04:05] <meoblast001> its OpenGL and SDL
[04:05] <nilson> meoblast001: you can just g++ if its one file
[04:05] <meoblast001> whats the g++ command
[04:05] <nilson> otherwise make makefile
[04:05] <meoblast001> it is one file
[04:05] <Laserbeast> oh cool
[04:06] <nilson> make -f makefile [options] [targets]
[04:06] <nilson> man make
[04:06] <Laserbeast> So anyone know why AIGLX in ATI 8.42.3 is so terrible? lol
[04:06] <meoblast001> i dont know the linkers for Open GL
[04:06] <Tiago_> maybe linux is the rapture the bibile spoke of, all the ignorant masses are stuck in "hell" using windows and we are beemed into hyperspace by our grand architect and messionic pinguin god?
[04:06] <meoblast001> --debug $(pkg-config --cflags --libs sdl) -lSDL_image -lSDL_ttf -lSDL_mixer -I. file.cpp
[04:06] <meoblast001> thats an SDL one
[04:06] <meoblast001> i need OpenGL too
[04:07] <nickrud> mmm, probably not
[04:07] <nilson> I'm actually installing Ubuntu on my grandmother's PC right now. She bought a new widescreen LCD monitor today and I couldn't get the correct resolution in windows
[04:07] <nilson> so I said f-it and installed Ubuntu
[04:07] <Laserbeast> heh
[04:07] <Buckler> I am about as n00b as they come WRT Ubuntu. I have about one day's experience. I rather painfully got my Belkin USB 54G wireless dongle to work, then applied updates. Now, on boot, I get the message "USB 3-8: Device Descriptor Read /64, Error -110". Did I hose my USB ports? Any advice would be appreciated. Unfortunately, since I'm on a dual-boot machine, I can't access Ubuntu to do diagnostics at the moment.
[04:08] <nilson> Is there a way to bypass the splash screen on startup. I want to see verbose.
[04:08] <nilson> It freezes at a cerain point sometimes
[04:08] <jskaaron> 功
[04:09] <meoblast001> can some one edit the following to work with OpenGL?
[04:09] <meoblast001> g++ --debug $(pkg-config --cflags --libs sdl) -lSDL_image -lSDL_ttf -lSDL_mixer -I. lesson05.c
[04:09] <bruenig> nilson, sed -e sisplashiig -e siqu\ietiig -i /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:09] <nickrud> nilson: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst; look for lines that end in quiet splash, remove the splash
[04:09] <mycroftiv> nilson: yeah if you enter grub menu you can edit the boot parameters and turn off "quiet splash"
[04:09] <brad016> Hi, I just formatted my flash drive to ext3 and I can't write files to it, whats up?
[04:09] <IdleOne> Buckler: I cant help with your issue but booting to the live cd might give you a chance to be able to diagnose and get online
[04:09] <Phaqui> My "Screen and Graphics Preferences" utility says I'm using "generic" drivers, while I'm using a "not-generic version" of the kernel, can this be a problem?
[04:09] <unikon> is there any external type ram testing platforms available to anyone
[04:09] <nilson> theres no button to push to temporarily disable it
[04:09] <jskaaron> pidgin运行不了
[04:09] <bruenig> copy and paste that command, it will do it nilson
[04:09] <nickrud> freaking set freaks :)
[04:09] <Buckler> Thanks, Idle. What's the procedure?
[04:09] <mssever> !ja | jskaaron
[04:09] <ubot3> jskaaron: 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
[04:10] <brad016> I just formatted my flash drive to ext3 and I can't write files to it
[04:10] <Laserbeast> Does anyone know how, after I boot up, I see the original tan "wallpaper" for 1-2 seconds then it boots into my regular desktop?  It's not even an option now.
[04:10] <keitherz> uhm
[04:10] <mssever> Laserbeast: Go to gdm-setup
[04:10] <nilson> Laserbeast: probably GDM
[04:11] <mssever> Laserbeast: I just set that bg to black
[04:11] <IdleOne> !wifi | Buckler take a look at this it might help
[04:11] <ubot3> Buckler take a look at this it might help: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:11] <Laserbeast> Yeah, I set it to black but it didn't do anything
[04:11] <brad016> I just formatted my flash drive to ext3 and I can't write files to it, how do I enable it to do so
[04:11]  * nilson sighs, Ubuntu startup keeps freezing at a certain point.
[04:11] <omerta> o
[04:11] <mssever> brad016: Is it mounted rw?
[04:11] <omerta> o
[04:11] <brad016> mssever, yes it is mounted
[04:11] <mssever> brad016: rw?
[04:12] <brad016> mssever, whats that
[04:12] <keitherz> here's my case: Iinstalled ubuntu-desktop package when im on xubuntu well it works fine and fun but how can I change my boot screens and logon screens to ubuntu because its still xubuntu I want to make it ubuntu
[04:12] <unstable> Is there a way to convert my dual monitor xorg.conf setup from Feisty..so it works on Gutsy?
[04:12] <mssever> brad016: read write, as opposed to ro (read only)
[04:12] <pengi_> hey all
[04:12] <brad016> mssever,  how may i do that>
[04:12] <Buckler> Thanks, Idle. I'm still wondering, though, if it's a USB issue rather than a wireless one, per se.
[04:12] <mssever> brad016: type mount and see how the options are
[04:13] <brad016> mssever, kay
[04:13] <IdleOne> Buckler: may be but start with the wireless part and see if there isnt anything you can do there
[04:13] <nickrud> !splash | keitherz
[04:13] <ubot3> keitherz: To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[04:13] <mssever> brad016: if they're wrong, you can set up an fstab entry with the proper values
[04:13] <nickrud> oops
[04:13] <nickrud> !usplash | keitherz
[04:13] <ubot3> keitherz: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[04:13] <pengi_> how do i set it up to automatically mount drives on boot
[04:13] <themoebius> how can i temporarily switch my window manager back to the normal one instead of compiz?
[04:13] <Buckler> Okay, I'll try that.   How is it going tonight?
[04:13] <IdleOne> Buckler: FYI it helps to type out the persons entire name so they can keep up with you when it is busy... slow now but it does get alot busier in here at times
[04:13] <dxdt> themoebius: killall compiz I think will work at a terminal.
[04:14] <brad016> mssever, ???
[04:14] <mssever> !fstab | pengi_
[04:14] <ubot3> pengi_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:14] <Buckler> Sorry, IdleOne. I'll do my best.
[04:14] <keitherz> thanks
[04:14] <Laserbeast> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Unknown CPU Ty Speed: 2104.786 MHz Cache: 512 KB ] | RAM Usage: 278/1035M [|||||||||||] ( 26.9% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y080P0 Size: 148G with 128G Free ( 86.5% ) ] | Number of process: 110
[04:14] <Laserbeast> I hate mobile CPUs
[04:14] <nickrud> themoebius: metacity --replace, I think
[04:14] <IdleOne> Buckler: np
[04:14] <inversekinetix> can anyone help me install a MAME frontend?
[04:14] <pengi_> thank you ubot3 and mssever
[04:14] <mssever> brad016: What don't you understand?
[04:14] <Buckler> It *is* a very busy channel.
[04:14] <brad016> mssever,  how to set it up to read/write
[04:14] <themoebius> nickrud: cheers, that does it.
[04:15] <brad016> mssever,  one simple command maybe
[04:15] <Buckler> IdleOne, if it comes to it, how can I re-initialize the USB driver?
[04:15] <nilson> Laserbeast: okay rebooted, says no network devices found.
[04:15] <mssever> brad016: You can try something like mount -o remount,rw /dev/your_drive
[04:15] <IdleOne> Buckler: dont know sorry
[04:15] <nilson> But ndiswrapper sees the device and has the driver installed.
[04:15] <nilson> wtf
[04:15] <Buckler> NP, thanks.
[04:15] <Laserbeast> hmm, whats the card?
[04:15] <brad016> mssever, thanks
[04:16] <nilson> Linksys WMP54G
[04:16] <nilson> Not sure the revision number.
[04:16] <Laserbeast> I had a WMP11 v4 (Linksys) that just wouldn't work
[04:16] <Laserbeast> k checking
[04:16] <esnip> can anyone help me?
[04:16] <nilson> But I have the Linksys CD w/ drivers.
[04:16] <xtor> My kernel detects my SATA devices just fine but it does not see my PATA devices. Is there any way to force detection of PATA? This is my entire dmesg dump --> http://pastebin.com/d6478381a
[04:16] <mssever> !ask | esnip
[04:16] <ubot3> esnip: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:16] <Buckler> IdleOne...thanks for the info. Checking now; have a great night.
[04:16] <vbabiy> hey Nyle if i set that in the /etc/vnc.conf that should also work right?
[04:16] <Laserbeast> nilson, Yeah I know.. I had the .inf and .sys from the original CD, it still wouldn't work. I got it working somehow one day and then WEP/WPA wouldn;t work
[04:16] <Laserbeast> brb checking for you
[04:16] <IdleOne> Buckler: you too and hope you get that USB straightened out
[04:17] <mycroftiv> buckler: most likely your USB subsystem is controlled by a loaded kernel module, there are a variety of tools for checking on them and loading/unloading them but I'm not familiar with USB wireless at all so I'm not going to recommend anthing
[04:17] <Buckler> 'nite!
[04:17] <unstable> Anyone here running dual monitors on Gutsy?
[04:17] <Jordan_U> !anyone | unstable
[04:17] <ubot3> unstable: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:17] <esnip> i have ubuntu server installed aparently network is working but when i try to wget a file it always failed
[04:17] <Jordan_U> esnip, Can you ping?
[04:17] <Laserbeast> the Linksys WMP54G uses the RT2500 chipset, no?
[04:17] <unstable> Anyone here running dual monitors on Gutsy? Can I have a copy of your xorg.conf
[04:17] <esnip> yes
[04:17] <vbabiy> hey Nyle if i set that in the /etc/vnc.conf that should also work right?
[04:17] <mssever> esnip: Any error messages?
[04:18] <Laserbeast> nilson, do an lspci and send me it via PM
[04:18] <Jordan_U> unstable, It doesn't work that way, you can't use another person's xorg.conf unless they have the same hardware
[04:18] <esnip> and when i try to download it here in desktop editon  i can so it's no broken link problem
[04:18] <unstable> Jordan_U: sure you can
[04:18] <dxdt> unstable: I totally am, but I'm sorry I'm not at home and can't give you one :(  My best advice is to use nvidia-settings program if using nvidia, or the built in graphical tool they have for it
[04:18] <unstable> Jordan_U: Just change the resolutions and driver
[04:18] <Jordan_U> unstable, Have you tried System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics?
[04:18] <nilson> Laserbeast: different computer
[04:19] <nilson> Laserbeast: Ill type the line to you in a pm
[04:19] <Jordan_U> unstable, And if that works then Screens and Graphics should also
[04:19] <nilson> for the card
[04:19] <unstable> Jordan_U: yea, that took sucks
[04:19] <mssever> esnip: Any error messages? Or can you use curl?
[04:19] <unstable> it only shows one monitor, and it doesn't let me add a monitor
[04:19] <Laserbeast> nilson, no problem. It should just identify it uses the RaLink chipset.. Some of the Linksys cards do
[04:19] <Laserbeast> if so, we can just load a different driver
[04:19] <zhengfish> hi
[04:19] <mssever> !hi zhengfish
[04:19] <ubot3> Factoid hi zhengfish not found
[04:19] <mssever> !hi | zhengfish
[04:19] <ubot3> zhengfish: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[04:20] <esnip> msserver: no route host
[04:20] <nilson> Laserbeat: Broadcom BCM4306 chipset
[04:20] <Jordan_U> nilson, Gutsy?
[04:20] <nilson> yes
[04:20] <mssever> esnip: And you said that you can ping that same host?
[04:20] <Jordan_U> nilson, have you tried System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager?
[04:20] <esnip> no
[04:20] <esnip> i can ping wrbsites like google
[04:20] <esnip> but that specific site
[04:21] <esnip> it fails
[04:21] <mssever> esnip: Sounds like that site is down
[04:21] <esnip> but it's not
[04:21] <mssever> esnip: what's the site? I'll try it here
[04:21] <vbabiy> hey what is ubuntu 7.04 using for the remote desktop
[04:21] <esnip> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin_1.370_all.deb
[04:21] <nilson> Jordan_U: I have the window up but I did disable the stock bcm43xx driver as per the ndiswrapper instructions
[04:22] <Radio_man> Yeehaw.
[04:22] <nilson> It is blacklisted in the modprobe lise
[04:22] <keitherz> my update manager hanged
[04:22] <keitherz> how can I close this
[04:22] <maxagaz> how to echo a newline in a bash ?
[04:22] <Laserbeast> nilson, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=340689&highlight=BCM4306+ndiswrapper -- hopefully that helps
[04:22] <nickrud> max546:  \n
[04:22] <Jordan_U> nilson, You should always try the native drivers before ndiswrapper
[04:22] <nickrud> maxagaz: \n
[04:23] <Jordan_U> nilson, remove bcm43xx from the blacklist
[04:23] <mssever> esnip: That host doesn't work for me, either. Are you sure the url is correct?
[04:23] <Laserbeast> Jordan_U, I don't think there are native drivers for that BroadCom chipset
[04:23] <maxagaz> nickrud: doesn't work
[04:23] <esnip> i just have downloaded the file from this computer
[04:23] <Radio_man> VLC plays my DVD..And I installed libdvdcss for totem...The problem is ,totem does not play past the disclaimer....any suggestions.
[04:23] <nilson> the problem is I dont have any net access at all on the computer in questin
[04:23] <nilson> I can't install anything from the internet
[04:23] <rainwalker> my friend wants to dual-boot ubuntu with vista, how much space would his ubuntu partition need?
[04:23] <Laserbeast> Yeah, it's not giving you 'wlanX'
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Laserbeast, No, it's supported
[04:24] <Laserbeast> Jordan_U, oh :-X
[04:24] <mssever> esnip: Well, something must have changed, because that hostname isn't working for me, either
[04:24] <keitherz> rainwalker
[04:24] <nickrud> maxagaz: mhmm
[04:24] <esnip> also whe i use apt-get sometimes it starts downloading and then freezes
[04:24] <Jordan_U> Laserbeast, http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices
[04:24] <rainwalker> keitherz: yes...?
[04:24] <Laserbeast> Well there ya go :)
[04:25] <Jordan_U> nilson, Unblacklist bcm43xx and grab the file that restricted manager needs from another computer
[04:25] <esnip> er... i'm downloading it again
[04:25] <nickrud> maxagaz: echo -e "this\ntest"
[04:25] <Nyle> wow
[04:25] <Nyle> ubuntu is so well documented
[04:25] <nickrud> lol
[04:25] <Nyle> help.ubuntu.com is awesome
[04:25] <nilson> Jordan_U.. not sure waht file it is?
[04:25] <rainwalker> nickrud: do you know much about partitioning?
[04:25] <mssever> esnip: So the site came back up?
[04:25] <maxagaz> nickrud: ok, but i can't use it in my php-cli script...
[04:26] <Jordan_U> nilson, It gives you a URL to get it from when you try to enable it in Restricted Manager
[04:26] <nickrud> rainwalker: enough to get it done ..
[04:26] <nilson> It just says "The software source for the package bcm43xx-fwcutter is not enabled"
[04:26] <esnip> what could this be? i can download it from a computer and not from other and apparenly also u can't?!!
[04:26] <rainwalker> nickrud: well, how much space should my friend allocate for an Ubuntu install to dual boot with Vista?
[04:26] <rainwalker> nickrud: assuming Vista will be the primary OS
[04:26] <tyler2435> rainwalker: ive done that personally before, how big is his hdd?
[04:26] <ViciousPotato> My god. Anyone here had experience using an ASUS MSN4-SLI and Ubuntu?
[04:27] <brad016> if i format a usb stick as linux-swap will ubuntu use it as swap like vista uses ready boost
[04:27] <mssever> esnip: Weird. What if you use the IP address instead of the hostname? <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:27] <Radio_man> Why
[04:27] <Jordan_U> !anyone | ViciousPotato
[04:27] <ubot3> ViciousPotato: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:27] <nickrud> rainwalker: I'd suggest 15gb, that give about 5gb for ample apps & 10 for him.
[04:27] <_Keef_> How can I stop daylight savings on my ubuntu server?
[04:27] <tyler2435> yeah
[04:27] <tyler2435> i set mine for 20gb
[04:27] <ViciousPotato> Jordan_U: Compatibility issues. If anyone has had experience with them, they'd know.
[04:27] <rainwalker> tyler2435: I'm not sure, hang on a sec and I'll try to find out
[04:27] <john> HELP LLAMA ATTACK
[04:28] <tyler2435> with a 250gb drive even
[04:28] <mycroftiv> viciouspotato: have you checked the bios firmware version on your motherboard at bootup and looked on asus website to see if it is most recent?
[04:28] <Radio_man> Plug it in after dark....j/k.
[04:28] <mssever> _Keef_: set your timezone to one that doesn't use DST
[04:28] <tyler2435> but you should have at least 15-20
[04:28] <tyler2435> mine has 20
[04:28] <tyler2435> i dont really use it anymore, because i have a gentoo install and my centos server
[04:28] <Phaqui> Hmm.. it seems that whenever I activate the restricted drivers (and then reboot), my pc ends up using the "vesa" drivers. Is this correct?
[04:28] <_Keef_> _Keef_: is it suppose to be, how can I reset it?
[04:28] <_Keef_> *mssever: opps
[04:28] <nickrud> maxagaz: for php, \r\n
[04:28] <Carter87> any of u go on unet
[04:28] <Nyle> !w32codecs
[04:28] <ubot3> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:28] <Laserbeast> My friend is using S-Video Out on his X1950XT, would that just be a xorg.conf hack? What would we have to do
[04:28] <Jordan_U> ViciousPotato, Not once have I ever seen a question phrased like yours answered.
[04:29] <ViciousPotato> Amazing.
[04:29] <mssever> _Keef_: tzconfig
[04:29] <esnip> msserver: i'm trying that now but it's taking too long so i guess it doesn't work also :\
[04:29] <nickrud> ViciousPotato: I guess you like to live to your nick
[04:29] <rainwalker> nickrud: do you have any idea what the minimum space required would be?
[04:29] <esnip> because here the download was pretty quick
[04:29] <Jordan_U> ViciousPotato, Just ask about how to fix problem X with hardware Y, you may still not get an answer but you are more likely too
[04:29] <tyler2435> minimum?
[04:30] <tyler2435> itd be a couple gigs, Rainbow_Eyes^m
[04:30] <tyler2435> rainwalker*
[04:30] <tyler2435> my bad
[04:30] <Carter87> alot of fucking users
[04:30] <Carter87> lol
[04:30] <ViciousPotato> mycroftiv: Sorry ... yes, I've updated to the most recent BIOS firmware (1202)
[04:30] <tyler2435> but you want at least 20 or so
[04:30] <Carter87> ubuntus
[04:30] <_Keef_> mssever: thanks
[04:30] <Nyle> yo dudes
[04:30] <nickrud> rainwalker: 2gb is just about the minimum, with no wiggle room at all. For just experimenting, 5gb would do
[04:30] <Radio_man>  VLC plays my DVD..And I installed libdvdcss for totem...The problem is ,totem does not play past the disclaimer....any suggestions.
[04:30] <Nyle> what about gusty w32codecs?
[04:30] <mssever> esnip: That's weird. I'm afraid I don't know any more than what I've already suggested
[04:30] <gavintlgold> hi, I have a quick question. I am installing ubuntu right now (7.10) and I want to format my current drive and add two partitions, one for /home the other for / ... I'm using manual, and I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing.
[04:30] <rainwalker> tyler2435: a couple = 2?
[04:30] <tyler2435> yeah
[04:31] <tyler2435> ~ that
[04:31] <tyler2435> but you want 20 or so
[04:31] <tyler2435> for a good system
[04:31] <tyler2435> if youre planning on using it
[04:31] <tyler2435> (At least)
[04:31] <ViciousPotato> mycroftiv: there's a post on the ubuntu forums ... all of the stuff recommended in there, the only one that worked was removing 'quiet' from the boot options
[04:31] <dxdt> Radio_man: could be a bug with totem, try another DVD and see if totem still stops there.  If VLC is playing it, I would bet totem bug :(
[04:31] <mycroftiv> viciouspotato: if you have current firmware and you have tried using kernel boot options such as noapic and the live cd still crashes during the initial splash screen load, im not sure what to recommend
[04:31] <Bonste1> any 1 got smtp gmail to work on evolution?
[04:31] <mssever> gavintlgold: Sounds good
[04:31] <tyler2435> like nickrud asid, if youre experimenting, you could have 5
[04:31] <esnip> msserver: thaks anyway
[04:31] <nuckinfuts> when i try to enable visual effects in Gnome, i get the error "The Composite Extension is not Available"
[04:31] <Radio_man> K..t/y dxdt.
[04:31] <Flynsarmy> Is there a way to format unpartitioned space to NTFS in ubuntu?
[04:31] <gavintlgold> I chose to delete the current partition, and added two new partitions, mssever
[04:31] <Jordan_U> nuckinfuts, ATI ?
[04:31] <tyler2435> the ubuntu install takes up ~2gigs
[04:31] <tyler2435> you can determine how much more you need
[04:31] <ViciousPotato> mycroftiv: yeah, it still crashes with noapic. removing quiet worked, but it went funky colours after it finished 'loading'
[04:32] <Radio_man> They are walmart type dvd's..maybe thats the problem..
[04:32] <Nyle> what about gusty w32codecs?
[04:32] <gavintlgold> mssever: one had mount point / and the other had mount point /home/gavin ... is that correct? or what should the second mount point be?
[04:32] <Nyle> what do I use for gusty codecs?
[04:32] <mssever> gavintlgold: As long as you're OK with losing all data currently on the partition you deleted, than it's fine
[04:32] <Nyle> seveas makes only feisty stuff
[04:32] <nickrud> Nyle: the codecs are the codecs, you can use the feisty ones.
[04:32] <mssever> gavintlgold: The second mount point should be /home
[04:32] <gavintlgold> mssever: yes, that's fine, i just want to make sure where to put my mount point for the home
[04:32] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U dude i owe you a bottle of whatever youy like to derink best -- the install worked!  none of the hardware really works right yet but the install worked!  im niow dual booting mac and ubuntu 7.10!
[04:32] <gavintlgold> just /home ? ok :) thanks
[04:32] <nuckinfuts> Jordan_U, yes i have an ATI X800XT AIW AGP 8x card, with restricted drivers installed
[04:32] <rainwalker> tyler2435: he wants to know if he'd be able t access his files on the Vista partition if he booted into Ubuntu
[04:32] <Jordan_U> Nyle, The medubuntu repository
[04:32] <ViciousPotato> Hm.
[04:33] <mssever> gavintlgold: just /home
[04:33] <ViciousPotato> I'll try one last thing before giving up. :<
[04:33] <nickrud> Nyle: the codecs are just a grouping of binary blobs, they are the same for all distros & releases
[04:33] <tyler2435> rainwalker: uhhh, depends if ubuntu has the software to read NTFS, but, i dont recommend trying stuff like that
[04:33] <tyler2435> its more advanced
[04:33] <tyler2435> and youre waiting to do something wrong
[04:33] <tyler2435> possibly
[04:33] <gavintlgold> mssever: and one more thing, how much do you recommend I allocate to /, and how much to /home ?
[04:33] <wobblywu> ntfs-3g is built into 7.10 :/
[04:33] <tobias_> w00t!  upgrade to gutsy seems to have gone well.
[04:33] <gavintlgold> i have 250GB tops
[04:33] <vbabiy> how would i set the default resolution on vino-server
[04:33] <rainwalker> tyler2435: well, I think it's going to be either a deal-maker or breaker
[04:33] <Jordan_U> nuckinfuts, fglrx does not support AIGLX ( well the newest drivers do, but they are horrible )
[04:33] <Nyle> nickrud: so I could even grab them from mplayer.hu and throw them in /lib/codecs or wherever there go
[04:33] <tyler2435> rainwalker: eyah
[04:33] <tyler2435> yeah*
[04:33] <nickrud> rainwalker: reading is just fine, no issues. There is write available, many claim no problems but I don't
[04:34] <tyler2435> you can always install it
[04:34] <tyler2435> and uninstall it
[04:34] <nilson> Laserbeast / Jordan_U: I'm burning the bcm43xx-fwcutter package to a CD to install on the PC in question. I really don't have any other way to transfer files between the two computers. I hope it doenst need to download much more..
[04:34] <gavintlgold> mssever: i have 70GB going to / ... is that reasonable?
[04:34] <Nyle> Jordan_U: really horrible
[04:34] <tyler2435> im getting ready to go to bed
[04:34] <nilson> what a PITA.
[04:34] <tyler2435> but heres some advice
[04:34] <vbabiy> Nyle: any idea how to do that in vino
[04:34] <mssever> gavintlgold: I'd give / at least 10GB if you plan on installing a bunch of software, and the rest to /home
[04:34] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U all i ask og you now is guidance as to how to sdet up dual monitor support, set up my wireless networking and set my cooling fan speed to 5000
[04:34] <tyler2435> use gparted for partition managing
[04:34] <tyler2435> before installing
[04:34] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Ok, go to System -> Administration -> Restricted Driver Manager to get full resolution and 3D acceleration
[04:34] <tyler2435> gparted.sf.net i think
[04:34] <Laserbeast> No problem nilson, Let us know how it goes
[04:34] <wobblywu> it might be an idea to use two separate hdds for the ubuntu and windows installations
[04:34] <tyler2435> and closely follow a readme/guide
[04:34] <nuckinfuts> Jordan_U, so atm, i cant run any 3D acceleration or advanced gnome appearence?
[04:34] <wobblywu> makes everything easier imo
[04:34] <tyler2435> im going to bed, nn
[04:34] <nickrud> Nyle: precisely, but medibuntu or seveas provides debs, it integrates better into the system, if they ever change
[04:34] <esnip> how can i allow internet use on a user that is not an admnistrtor under ubuntu server?
[04:34] <rainwalker> nickrud: well this friend isn't very tech-savvy, and he's dealing with Vista, so what do you recommend?
[04:35] <CyberAgeVoodoo> hi all... stupid newbie question. How do I change the default application of an extention? like .torrent? I hate the bittorent app and like qbittorrent and want that as the default
[04:35] <dope> where does the mysql folder go an ubuntu server install
[04:35] <gavintlgold> mssever: i like experimenting with software... i just want to make sure i'm not stuck with not enough space to install things
[04:35] <Jordan_U> nuckinfuts, Just compiz effects, you can run other 3D applications
[04:35] <Nyle> Jordan_U: so horrible, that even though I have 8.42.3 I glxinfo still doesn't list GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap or something, and compiz doesn't run because that EXT is not supported by direct OR indirect rendering.  I am using latest 8.42.3 fglrx on X1900XT
[04:35] <tyler2435> rainwalker: like i said, follow a guide very very closely
[04:35] <mssever> gavintlgold: The GParted LiveCD will let you resize partitions after you install if you need to
[04:35] <tyler2435> i had somoene walk me through it
[04:35] <tyler2435> but its not horribly hard
[04:35] <nickrud> rainwalker: just go with the default, read. mention e2explorer (sp?) for reading his ubuntu from vista
[04:35] <Nyle> which was the reason I installed ubuntu I was happy with XP Pro x64
[04:35] <rainwalker> tyler2435: can you recommend any specific guides?
[04:35] <tyler2435> ill find one
[04:35] <mssever> gavintlgold: If you've got that much space, it wouldn't hurt to allocate more
[04:35] <tyler2435> 1m
[04:35] <Nyle> but any idea why this is happening
[04:35] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U -- okay...  and how ddo you recommend i make the system set its cooling fan speed to sa constant rate of like 5000 - because the cooling system didntyengage at all by itself and the system got really  really hot really fast
[04:36] <nuckinfuts> Jordan_U, any idea when an update will hit the ubuntu repository?
[04:36] <Nyle> Jordan_U: have you managed to get compiz working with fglrx 8.43.3
[04:36] <gavintlgold> mssever: ok, i'm just wary since I once had a 10gb drive once and I couldn't transfer it to the new drive and resize
[04:36] <Nyle> 42*
[04:36] <Jordan_U> Nyle, Never trust ATI to release a good driver, I will believe it when I see it :)
[04:36] <dope> where does the mysql folder go an ubuntu server install
[04:36] <gavintlgold> or at least i couldn't figure it out
[04:36] <nickrud> Jordan_U: +1
[04:36] <meoblast001> hmm
[04:36] <meoblast001> g++ --debug $(pkg-config --cflags --libs sdl) -lSDL_image -lSDL_ttf -lSDL_mixer -I. lesson05.c
[04:36] <Nyle> dope: dpkg -L mysql-server
[04:36] <meoblast001> how do i include openGL linker in that
[04:36] <gavintlgold> mssever: i'll go with 50GB ... that's 1/5 of my space
[04:36] <tyler2435> http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
[04:36] <Nyle> i dunno
[04:36] <tyler2435> theres a pretty good one
[04:36] <mssever> gavintlgold: As long as the partitions are consecutive and you're using something like ext3, you should be OK
[04:36] <wobblywu> would it actually be a problem to have Ubuntu running on a slave drive in dual-boot with Vista or XP on master?
[04:36] <gavintlgold> :) thanks for the advice
[04:36] <mssever> gavintlgold: Sounds reasonable
[04:37] <tyler2435> wobblywu: yes, ive done it before
[04:37] <Laserbeast> im helping my friend do TV-SVideo Out on his X1950XT.. I'm so clueless
[04:37] <wobblywu> yes it'd be a problem?
[04:37] <mssever> gavintlgold: I'm not used to having that much space :)
[04:37] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, sudo modprobe applesmc
[04:37] <tyler2435> no
[04:37] <CyberAgeVoodoo> Need help with changing default program
[04:37] <nickrud> wobblywu: that would work well, windows likes to be on the first drive, linux doesn't care
[04:37] <tyler2435> its completely plausable
[04:37] <wobblywu> nickrud: that's what I was thinking
[04:37] <nuckinfuts> Do any of the OSS drivers support gnome desktop effects?
[04:37] <wobblywu> I'd not dare put Windows on slave ;)
[04:37] <rainwalker> nickrud: would he be able to listen to music that's on the Vista partition?
[04:37] <wobblywu> or even install it after installing ubuntu
[04:37] <nickrud> rainwalker: yes
[04:37] <Nyle> has anyone heard of or used SMPlayer?
[04:37] <mssever> CyberAgeVoodoo: Which program?
[04:37] <linuxidiot> wobblywu: I've always thought that linux can be installed on whatever drive/partition you want
[04:37] <wobblywu> Ubuntu can read NTFS just fine
[04:37] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Then run "
[04:37] <Nyle> its based on mplayer but its loads better
[04:37] <gavintlgold> mssever: also, it has an option for "primary" and "logical" ... should it be "logical" ?
[04:38] <tyler2435> wobblywu: oh? i never realised that
[04:38] <tyler2435> well
[04:38] <tyler2435> i knew it could read ntfs
[04:38] <Phaqui> I have a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 card. What package do I need? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[04:38] <rainwalker> nickrud: but not able to save music TO it, right?
[04:38] <wobblywu> ntfs-3g takes care of it
[04:38] <CyberAgeVoodoo> msserver ... i want to change my default bittorrent app
[04:38] <tyler2435> i know that writing is sorta beta
[04:38] <wobblywu> it can write to ntfs just fine as well
[04:38] <tyler2435> yeah
[04:38] <tyler2435> exactly
[04:38] <tyler2435> ntfs-3
[04:38] <tyler2435> g
[04:38] <wobblywu> it's been considered stable for a bit now, ntfs-3g
[04:38] <nickrud> !ntfs-3g |rainwater, but I don't use it
[04:38] <ubot3> rainwater, but I don't use it: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:38] <Nyle> I want to do compiz fusion in kubuntu.. please guide me to the right documentation
[04:38] <tyler2435> i see
[04:38] <Nyle> !comipz
[04:38] <ubot3> Factoid comipz not found
[04:38] <Nyle> !compiz
[04:38] <ubot3> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion
[04:38] <wobblywu> in fact, it's part of the new Ubuntu 7.10
[04:38] <mssever> gavintlgold: You can have up to four primary partitions. You SHOULD make one of them an extended partition. That one can contain many logical partitions
[04:38] <tyler2435> i see
[04:38] <tyler2435> anyway, im off to bed, gn
[04:38] <wobblywu> you don't even need to install additional packages anymore
[04:38] <CyberAgeVoodoo> msserver I already downloaded and installed qbittorent (which seems better)
[04:39] <mssever> CyberAgeVoodoo: Dunno about bittorrent
[04:39] <wobblywu> and I can assure you it works just fine, been using it extensively for months now (read&write)
[04:39] <nickrud> yeah, the first time ubuntu offered to let me write, I nearly had a fit
[04:39] <gavintlgold> mssever: is primary better?
[04:39] <CyberAgeVoodoo> mssever thanks for the try
[04:39] <wobblywu> CyberAgeVoodoo: qbittorrent is rubbish, just so you know
[04:39] <CyberAgeVoodoo> it is?
[04:39] <wobblywu> CyberAgeVoodoo: may I suggest Azureus to you?
[04:39] <mssever> gavintlgold: Maybe for Windows? But for Linux it makes no difference
[04:39] <nickrud> wobblywu: anything that can throw up a message saying, "boot windows TWICE " to fix a partition, I'm not using it
[04:39] <wobblywu> or, if you can handle it, a command line torrent application
[04:39] <lumien> anyone here an ongoing user of second life?
[04:39] <gavintlgold> mssever: ok, i'm single booting here anyway
[04:40] <whta> i currently i have my home directory on its own partition. if i do a fresh install, will i be able to keep that as my home directory without having to format it?
[04:40] <wobblywu> nickrud: that's somewhat silly indeed, but you can just force mount those
[04:40] <CyberAgeVoodoo> ok if i dl that how do i associate that as my default prog for .torrent
[04:40] <nickrud> whta: yes, that's exactly why you want a separate home
[04:40] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U dude thank you so much for helping me...  could you by any chancve take a minute and email me the most complete repositories file?
[04:40] <wobblywu> CyberAgeVoodoo: just right click a .torrent file, properties
[04:40] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Then run "echo "5999" | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan1_min" for fan one and "echo "5999" | sudo tee /sys/devices/platform/applesmc.768/fan2_min" for fan 2
[04:40] <linuxidiot> I like cli bittorrent (btdownloadcurses)
[04:40] <mssever> gavintlgold: Just don't make the mistake I made once and create four primary partitions; You lose a lot of flexibility
[04:40] <CyberAgeVoodoo> ok. will give it a go
[04:40] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Replace 5999 with whatever RPM you want
[04:40] <whta> nickrud: i remember doing it for that reason. just making sure i wasn't misremembering. thank you.
[04:40] <wobblywu> if it's a GUI you want, Azureus is easily the preferred choice
[04:40] <CyberAgeVoodoo> thanks
[04:41] <mssever> gavintlgold: Save one of those for an extended partition
[04:41] <wobblywu> and, unlike on Windows, java tends to run fine on buntu
[04:41] <gavintlgold> mssever: also, while i'm here, I just copied my /home to a firewire drive, and plan to copy the stuff i need back. i'm assuming that'll be ok (if arduous)
[04:41] <wobblywu> just be sure to disable that horrible Vuse layout they have now
[04:41] <Fyda> gavintlgold: as long as file permissions are preserved...
[04:41] <gavintlgold> mssever: i made / primary, the other logical
[04:41] <gavintlgold> hi Fyda :)
[04:41] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, You shouldn't just add all of the repositories you can, try to stay with the default repositories as much as possible
[04:41] <rainwalker> which forum category would I post in about partitioning?
[04:41] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Hi :) Yeah, I remember backing up my Ubuntu files to a CD-RW, which became problematic because the file perms didn't survive
[04:41] <mssever> gavintlgold: Be careful of permissions when copying stuff.
[04:42] <dope> what's the ubuntu program that's like winscp in windows
[04:42] <shadeofgrey> okay -- foir the fan speed commands do i need  to use all those quotes?
[04:42] <DanaG> You can use gnome-vfs to mount ssh folders.
[04:42] <mssever> gavintlgold: FAT32 and NTFS don't preserve permissions, which can cause problems
[04:42] <DanaG> Go to Places->Connect to Server.
[04:42]  * nickrud enables a 3d party repo, gets what he wants, and _immediately_ disables it. Never know what might slip in
[04:42] <DanaG> If in Gnome/
[04:42] <Fyda> gavintlgold: I had to manually re-set those perms -- when I tried logging in, I didn't have permissions for my own stuff in ~, so it threw an error :(
[04:42] <Evanlec> wobblywu, i would not recommend azureus personally
[04:42] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Not the ones at the begginging and end of the commands.
[04:42] <nilson> Laserbeast / Jordan_U: it works now. Thanks so much guys
[04:43] <Fyda> gavintlgold: I'm thinking maybe if the external drive were ext3?
[04:43] <dope> what's the ubuntu program that's like winscp in windows
[04:43] <Jordan_U> nilson, np :)
[04:43] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Or some partition on it, anyway
[04:43] <nickrud> dope: scp in a terminal
[04:43] <Radio_man> Dxdt:..checked for bugs on my last post..it has been confirmed as a bug..and is being researched..thanks for the help.
[04:43] <gavintlgold> Fyda:  no, it's fat32 :( i had trouble formatting it to ext3
[04:43] <mssever> gavintlgold: Also, on this topic, use cp -a when copying system stuff to preserve permissions. Regular cp won't do
[04:43] <gavintlgold> hmm... so what's an example about permissions problems, mssever?
[04:43] <dope> nickrud:  it was had a gui
[04:43] <Jordan_U> dope, Is winscp anything like scp?
[04:43] <wobblywu>  Evanlec: which GUI torrent application would you suggest?
[04:43] <gavintlgold> i wouldn't be able to access stuff?
[04:44] <wobblywu> winscp is like scp, but for windows
[04:44] <wobblywu> does ftp, too
[04:44] <wobblywu> and it's open source, so that's nice
[04:44] <Evanlec> wobblywu, deluge
[04:44] <nickrud> dope: you can use gftp, it has a ssh access mode
[04:44] <wobblywu> (it does ssh ftp)
[04:44] <Jordan_U> dope, Because that is a *NIX application :)
[04:44] <mssever> gavintlgold: You can access stuff ok, but you could have trouble logging on
[04:44] <dope> Jordan_U:  it's a gui program with the 2 locations open side by side and you can drag from one into the other
[04:44] <linuxidiot> gavintlgold: some applications will break if permissions aren't correct.  If you just want to backup /home/, probably not an issue
[04:44] <Laserbeast> No problem nilson, enjoy :)
[04:44] <Evanlec> wobblywu, similar interface to UTorrent and no java bloating
[04:44] <Fyda> gavintlgold: well, I tried temporarily moving /usr/local to an fat32 partition, and when I moved it back, the lack of perms made it impossible to execute anything under the bin directory
[04:44] <Radio_man> Thank god for vlc..
[04:44] <gavintlgold> mssever: i am just planning to copy my pictures, etc, so it doesn't seem like it's a problem
[04:44] <gavintlgold> Fyda: i see, that's not what i'm attempting
[04:44] <linuxidiot> gavintlgold: just to prove it to yourself, try doing chmod -R 777 / as root and see what happens :)
[04:45] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Ah, okay
[04:45] <mssever> gavintlgold: and if you get the permissions wrong in some parts of the system (not /home) you can have all kinds of weird problems that are very difficult to solve
[04:45] <wobblywu> the utorrent team claim to be wine'able just fine
[04:45] <yigal> does anyone know if there is a solution to having a "black screen of death" using nvidia drivers with compiz-fusion?
[04:45] <wobblywu> although I somewhat disagree
[04:45] <gavintlgold> Fyda: i'm going to reinstall stuff... might as well
[04:45]  * nickrud slaps linuxidiot with a fish
[04:45] <wobblywu> deluge is nice with gnome, I must agree
[04:45] <mssever> gavintlgold: But you have a few crucial dotfiles in your home directory that are sensitive to permissions
[04:45] <wobblywu> but it does lack some basic features, from what I can remember
[04:45] <linuxidiot> better than giving hime an obfuscated perl oneliner that does it
[04:45] <gavintlgold> mssever: i don't think i'm going to copy them
[04:46] <gavintlgold> i'm going to pick and choose, not replace home entirely
[04:46] <nickrud> true, i guess ;)
[04:46] <mssever> gavintlgold: Then you should be OK
[04:46] <Evanlec> wobblywu, well i dunno, it doesnt lack anything i need so far...and yea utorrent is wine-able but i'd prefer not to run apps in wine unless i absolutely have to
[04:46] <Fyda> nickrud: But to someone who knows not of either form, it's all the same ;)
[04:46] <shadeofgrey> okay...  i dont have wired internet in my home -- i only have wireless, so wheres the best place forinstructions on how to get wireless networking running on first gen macbookpros?
[04:46] <linuxidiot> I once ran an obfustcated perl oneliner that proceeded to wipe out /   live and learn
[04:46] <gavintlgold> since i had some problems after using envy... and the upgrade to gutsy messed up during tzdata
[04:46] <dope> if i use nautilus to sftp into my server how do i get root access so it will give me permission to copy files over?
[04:46] <wobblywu> I did try deluge before being 'forced' to use Azureus, but sadly I can't remember the massive flaw that made me not use it anymore
[04:47] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, It works out of the box on mine :)
[04:47] <gavintlgold> I ended up with feisutsy
[04:47] <nickrud> lol, goot name
[04:47] <gavintlgold> a mix-up of both versions... it was very weird
[04:47] <Radio_man> Any one here an (opera) tech.
[04:47] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Just go to the network manager applet at the top right of the screen
[04:47] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Heh, yeah, I upgraded the laptop to Gutsy in a slow and laborious way
[04:47] <gavintlgold> so i'm starting over, but copying home
[04:47] <shadeofgrey> and im sorry to be such a pain in the ass Jordan_U -- im just back in noob land right back wghere i started when i started with ubuntu on PC -- but i swear to God that if you ghelp me resolved all my iussus ill donate timeon weekdays and weekends to help othrs as much as possible
[04:47] <kazim59> I've chose the wrong keyboard layout during installation. Where do I change it now??
[04:47] <mssever> gavintlgold: I had edgsty once :)
[04:47] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Instead of using the automatic upgrader, I just did it completely manually by editing the sources.list and progressively upgrading
[04:47] <nickrud> kazim59: system->prefs>keyboard
[04:48] <Fyda> gavintlgold: I would not recommend it to anyone else, but at least it didn't break my laptop. Which is more than I can say for the official upgrader on my desktop :(
[04:48] <nickrud> Fyda: the tried and true, likewise. Worked pretty well
[04:48] <grayscale> hi, does anyone know if there is a solution to the bug with gutsy and azureus?
[04:48] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U welll - see - i dont think my network card is being recognised at startup because i couldnt see any of the 5 availaable wireless networks we have here in my home
[04:48] <gavintlgold> mssever: seems that the upgrade process is often problematic
[04:48] <Laserbeast> how do I find out how much of my CPU is in use? My conky is holding at 100% CPU using?
[04:48] <linuxidiot> Laserbeast: top
[04:48] <dxdt> grayscale: where it just crashes and doesn't open?  You are using the wrong java
[04:48] <nickrud> Laserbeast: htop
[04:48] <Evanlec> question to all: what would be the easiest scripting language to write a script that would change a bunch of filenames for me? perl? bash? python?
[04:48] <gavintlgold> anyway, i'm going to click Forward now
[04:48] <gavintlgold> ;)
[04:48] <yigal> Laserbeast: what kind of computer do you have?
[04:48] <wobblywu> Laserbeast: do you have a dual-core by any chance?
[04:48] <dxdt> grayscale: you are probably using the OS java instead of Sun's java
[04:48] <mssever> gavintlgold: In my case, I had a number of hardware issues that messed up the upgrade
[04:48] <grayscale> dxdt: do i have to completely uninstall the jre?
[04:49] <Laserbeast> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Unknown CPU Ty Speed: 2104.786 MHz Cache: 512 KB ] | RAM Usage: 278/1035M [|||||||||||] ( 26.9% ) | [ HD Model: Maxtor 6Y080P0 Size: 148G with 128G Free ( 86.5% ) ] | Number of process: 108
[04:49] <wobblywu> Evanlec: which one are you most familiar with?
[04:49] <Laserbeast> Athlon 2500+ M
[04:49] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: answer  - whatever you know best
[04:49] <dxdt> grayscale: no, just install the new one.
[04:49] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Yeah, I don't understand it. Fresh installations are beautiful, but the upgrades seem to always mess something up.
[04:49] <wobblywu> Laserbeast: that's a whole lot of Unknown
[04:49] <crdlb> Evanlec: for something that simple, bash
[04:49] <Evanlec> Im not familiar with any really, thats why im asking, what would be easiest
[04:49] <Fyda> gavintlgold: From Dapper to Edgy, from Edgy to Feisty, I've had problems each time
[04:49] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: I would use bash for that
[04:49] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U and to be honest with you the most important thing for me besides the cooling fans is setting up my system so that when i boot my machine the laptop monitor is turned off and i use my 24" dell widescreen instea as the default
[04:49] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Do you see an "ath0" when you run "iwlist scan" ?
[04:49] <Laserbeast> wobblywu, Yeah I hate laptop CPUs in desktops.. Good overclockers, though
[04:49] <wobblywu> Evanlec: with your eye on the future, i'd go for python
[04:49] <Evanlec> yea thats what i thinking, just wondering if bash was powerful enough to do string manipulation
[04:49] <grayscale> dxdt, do you know the package off-hand? or do i have to download it and install it from sun's site?
[04:49] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: is there a common string in the filenames?
[04:49] <gavintlgold> Fyda: it's because it's never completely sure what's up with your computer
[04:49] <yigal> Laserbeast: what desktop environment are you in KDE GNOME?
[04:49] <mssever> gavintlgold: Fyda: My desktop has gone Dapper > Edgy > Feisty with no problems
[04:49] <wobblywu> Laserbeast: Celerons are excellent overclockers, but i'd never want one in my PC :)
[04:50] <crdlb> Evanlec: no, but sed is, also see the "rename" command
[04:50] <Laserbeast> yigal, Gnome
[04:50] <wobblywu> I followed the same path as mssever
[04:50] <Evanlec> well i basically want it to get rid of any numbers at the beginning of the filenames for starter
[04:50] <dxdt> grayscale: go into synaptic and look for sun-java6
[04:50] <gavintlgold> Fyda: i'm sure if you had a computer running the completely default install of feisty, the upgrade would be fine
[04:50] <nickrud> wow, does anyone else have a whole lot of crap under other on their applications menu?
[04:50] <wobblywu> Evanlec: use the mass rename tool in ubuntu
[04:50] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Well, to be fair, I did use 3rd-party repos.
[04:50] <gatepc> wow i am retarded this is my first time ever using irc and thats becouse i never got them to work but i knew how to use linux but not this
[04:50] <shadeofgrey> is the iw commandsomething you run from terminal?
[04:50] <Evanlec> wobblywu, oh? where would i find that?
[04:50] <Laserbeast> wobblywu, I have the Mobile Athlon XP 2500+.. Barton, completely unlocked
[04:50] <wobblywu> gatepc: that's kind of odd
[04:50] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Yes
[04:50] <wobblywu> Evanlec: one sec
[04:50] <gavintlgold> #ubuntu is actually pretty quiet right now :D
[04:50] <gatepc> that last thing i said was the first thing i ever said on irc
[04:50] <dxdt> grayscale: sun-java6-jre is what you want.
[04:50] <Laserbeast> 24487 chris     25   0 58820  23m  11m R 98.9  2.4  54:36.39 python
[04:50] <Laserbeast> Python is raping my CPU
[04:51] <Laserbeast> wtf?
[04:51] <Fyda> gavintlgold: Yeah, but maybe because people are in bed?
[04:51] <grayscale> says its already installed
[04:51] <shadeofgrey> okay -- and concerning the fan speed is there a space between teee and the rest of the command
[04:51] <shadeofgrey> ?
[04:51] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Yes
[04:51] <Evanlec> Laserbeast, killall python ?
[04:51] <nickrud> grayscale: also sun-java6-bin, and running sudo update-alternatives --config java , choose sun
[04:51] <Fyda> Laserbeast: Got something running that's gone into an infinite loop?
[04:51] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, I think that the wiki page tells you how to have the fans set automatically at boot
[04:51] <dxdt> Laserbeast: some program that relies on python has probably locked up or gone into a loop
[04:51] <grayscale> ok ill give that a go
[04:51] <gavintlgold> it's kind of annoying though... my partitions are as follows: sda6=/ sda7=/home sda5=swap
[04:51] <nickrud> grayscale: erm, sun-java6-plugin, I mean
[04:51] <misc--> is there a way to skip partition setup in the ubuntu installer? Gparted freezes my system. I can partition the system myself with fdisk
[04:51] <wobblywu> Evanlec: /usr/lib/thunar/ThunarBulkRename
[04:52] <wobblywu> it's in Accessories in my menu, under 'Bulk Rename'
[04:52] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: for i in *; do $j=cat $i| tr -d [0-9] ; cp $i $j; done
[04:52] <wobblywu> but I might've moved or renamed it
[04:52] <gatepc> i love ubuntu but i had to switch back to windows becouse may wireless internet didint work but now windows drove me crazy so i got a mac mini which i am using now any ideas how to install ubuntu on mac intel i dont know much about mac becouse this is my very first mac and i have only had it for 1 week
[04:52] <nickrud> misc--: I preformatted as well, but used the alternate cd
[04:52] <Laserbeast> Fyda  dxdt,  I have a gmail python script that run on top of Conky
[04:52] <Evanlec> linux4me, whoa, thats bash
[04:52] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: you definitely want to test drive that first
[04:52] <wobblywu> lol
[04:52] <gavintlgold> macs should work since they use intel...
[04:52] <Evanlec> linuxidiot, thatts bash?
[04:52] <Evanlec> wobblywu, that dir doesnt exist
[04:52] <dxdt> Laserbeast: that may be it.  Kill it and see if goes away.  The extreme python usage that is.
[04:52] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: yes
[04:53] <shadeofgrey> okay.  im going to reboot and get that and iw taken cvare of first...  but my priority list is this:  get dual monitor support workingh and make my big screen the default - then get wireless internet workingh... after that ill figure everything else out by myself
[04:53] <Flynsarmy> Is there a way to format unpartitioned space to NTFS in ubuntu?
[04:53] <gatepc> ok well bye
[04:53] <wobblywu> Evanlec: d'oh.. must've come with xfce then
[04:53] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: note that I had it 'cp' instead of 'mv'
[04:53] <wobblywu> try apt-getting it
[04:53] <Laserbeast> Yeah I'm going in and out of 6% usage.. It was definitely python.. Guess my script was a little buggy :(
[04:53] <misc--> nickrud: ok. Yeah I'm downloading that now. I am just inpatient :)
[04:53] <gavintlgold> unfortunate the nvidia livecd users can't get c-f ...
[04:53] <crdlb> !find ThunarBulkRename
[04:53] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U and if you would please supply me with the address to the wiki you were refgerring to?
[04:53] <gavintlgold> but intel worked
[04:54] <ubot3> Package/file thunarbulkrename does not exist in gutsy
[04:54] <nickrud> misc--: heh
[04:54] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: for i in *; do $j=`cat $i| tr -d [0-9]` ; cp $i $j; done  (might need the backtics)
[04:54] <dxdt> anyone setup an install cd mirror in here before?  I ran an rsync command to do it, and I believe it is going, but I was just curious as to whether I used the right command so I wanted to see if anyone else has done it.
[04:54] <wobblywu> Evanlec: sudo apt-get install thunar
[04:54] <wobblywu> Evanlec: or use rename in terminal
[04:54] <Evanlec> wobblywu, okk
[04:54] <dope> is there an easy way to get ubuntu onto a pc?  like through the network or something
[04:54] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: just realized that that would actually delete all numbers.  to delete only preceeding numbers is left as an exercise to the reader
[04:54] <wobblywu> rename in terminal supports regex iirc
[04:55] <dxdt> or use mv which also technically works as rename
[04:55] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBook ( some of it applies to all intel macs )
[04:55] <wobblywu> dope, the easiest would be the livecd
[04:55] <Evanlec> linuxidiot, an exercise to the reader? meaning me? lol
[04:55] <wobblywu> but you can do it through the network as well
[04:55] <shadeofgrey> okay...  is there a macbookpro one i should be looking at as well?
[04:55] <dope> unfortunately both my CD drives are dead now
[04:55] <grayscale> nickrud, did what you said, still nothing :(
[04:55] <nickrud> Flynsarmy: yes, you can use cfdisk to create an ntfs partition (type 07) and use mkntfs in ntfsprogs to format it
[04:56] <wobblywu> dope lots of results on google on network install, first being http://mywheel.net/blog/index.php/ubuntu-network-install/
[04:56] <nickrud> grayscale: by nothing, what do you mean?
[04:56] <linuxidiot> Evanlec: yes :)
[04:56] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Yes, laste time I looked at it though it was poorly written
[04:56] <dxdt> grayscale: you may need to change the default java to use sun's instead of the other.  this is done with   sudo update-alternatives --config java  and choose Sun's
[04:56] <wobblywu> also try http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/08/how-to-install-ubuntu-locally-over-the-network/ @ dope
[04:57] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro
[04:57]  * nickrud feels a little dejavu coming on
[04:57] <grayscale> dxdt, yeah thats what nickrud mentioned, i pointed to sun 6 but it still locks up
[04:57] <grayscale> and according to synaptic, sun 6 is installed
[04:57] <dxdt> nickrud: ahh I see we're both helping.  My bad.
[04:57] <nickrud> grayscale: java -version , what does that say?
[04:57] <Evanlec> wobblywu, thunar appears to be a file manager app...
[04:58] <gavintlgold> ok, wish me luck, i'm installing :)
[04:58] <nickrud> dxdt: heh, If anyone got offended that someone can't track every single conv here and know what's going on, they are idiots
[04:58] <grayscale> build 1.6.0_03-b05
[04:58] <westinalex> anybody using ubuntustudio?
[04:58] <wobblywu> Evanlec: yea it might be considered a bit overkill, it's the file manager of xfce
[04:58] <nickrud> grayscale: so what's locking up?
[04:58] <Evanlec> wobblywu, oh
[04:58] <wobblywu> but it has a nice bulk rename application
[04:58] <gavintlgold> gah, this is scary :/
[04:59] <nickrud> grayscale: that's the sun java, by the way
[04:59] <grayscale> nickrud, when a .torrent file is opened from a web page and/or i save the .torrent locally and load it into Azureus, it freezes as it tries to process the .torrent
[05:00] <nickrud> grayscale: ah, azuerus. I will bite my tongue, except to say I don't use or know it
[05:00] <grayscale> nickrud, have any recommendations?
[05:01] <grayscale> I've used it for so long out of habit
[05:01] <nickrud> grayscale: for the little torrenting I do, the one built into ubuntu Worked For Me™
[05:01] <grayscale> nice TM :D
[05:02] <grayscale> alrighty then
[05:02]  * gavintlgold <3 ubuntu's fast install...
[05:02] <osmosis> how do I get it so that when I ssh to a host it doesn't ask me for my ssh key keyphrase every time?  kind of defeats the purpose. SHouldnt it just ask me once and then let me be for x minutes?  Enter passphrase for key 'id_rsa':
[05:02] <nickrud> !torrent | grayscale
[05:02] <ubot3> grayscale: Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt), rTorrent (C++) -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[05:02] <gavintlgold> i bet it would be faster with more RAM
[05:02] <grayscale> thanks
[05:02] <nickrud> grayscale: and people are also recommending deluge now
[05:02] <dxdt> I really like ktorrent more than deluge.
[05:03] <wobblywu> if it's features you want, go with azureus
[05:03] <shadeofgrey> something interesting to me is that when i went in and looked at the graphical programn that controls monitoe support it ghad my dell 24" by name in its list but wouldnt enabl,e it at all
[05:03] <wobblywu> it'll take most resources though
[05:03] <shadeofgrey> any suggestions?
[05:03] <Himpalapotamus> if I have a choice of linux drivers for debian, vs drivers for mandrake/redhat, I should choose debian drivers for regular Gutsy Gibbon Gnome right?
[05:03] <wobblywu> but not a ridiculous amount (unlike it does on Windows)
[05:03]  * crdlb points out the awesomeness of rtorrent
[05:03] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Before or after installing the restricted ATI drivers?
[05:04] <grayscale> yeah I've become kind of spoiled with how feature-rich Azureus is
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> I ididnt do anything with restricted drivers first
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> is tyhat the kjey?
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> if so, then what do i do?
[05:04] <nickrud> Himpalapotamus: even debian drivers can be iffy, depending on the age
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> wait you told me before
[05:04] <dxdt> grayscale: Ktorrent has most features I think that exist, really.  Including encryption, peer blocking of IP's, distributed tracking, etc
[05:04] <shadeofgrey> ill scroll up and look again
[05:04] <gavintlgold> using the neighbor's internet, i managed to download gutsy in 40 minutes... it would have taken 12 hours with my internet :)
[05:04] <Himpalapotamus> nick_fn: they are brand spanking new for a brother printer
[05:04] <wobblywu> imo it's either azureus or rtorrent you should go with, but I might be wrong (i'm not)
[05:04] <grayscale> dxdt, have you tried deluge at all?
[05:05] <dns> does anyone use the multi-rec branch?
[05:05] <wobblywu> or just install them all and try them until one wins your preference
[05:05] <dxdt> I have, at the time it had memory leaks.  Don't know if it still does.
[05:05] <wobblywu> it's all free
[05:05] <nickrud> Himpalapotamus: debian, definitely. But first, check to see if the printer support has already been added natively to ubuntu
[05:05] <IntelMacUser> Has anyone had success running Gusty in Parallels on an Intel Mac?
[05:05] <shadeofgrey> but im going to do the fan thing first though because i dont want my system over  heating
[05:05] <Himpalapotamus> nick_fn: I checked and it's not, the printer is a MFC-9840CDW
[05:05] <grayscale> ill try out Ktorrent and Deluge side-by-side
[05:05] <ben_underscore> hi all, i've just upgraded to 7.10, and has the start up screen changed since the previous version? not the login screen but the one after it
[05:05] <keitherz> how to change the login screen again
[05:05] <grayscale> thanks for your help guys :)
[05:05] <jonkman> Anyone had luck getting ubuntu running on a dual video card box where they're SLI teamed?  Alienware laptop. Currently get no X video
[05:05] <gavintlgold> IntelMacUser: i've heard of that
[05:05] <gavintlgold> but am not sure
[05:06] <Himpalapotamus> nick_fn: so I take it that if a driver works, it would be the debian one
[05:06] <ben_underscore> keitherz: no not how to change it
[05:06] <shadeofgrey> IntelMacUser; i never thought iud get  ubuntu running but -- 7.10 WILL install - i just did it mysewlf
[05:06] <nickrud> Himpalapotamus: then I'd go ahead with the debian ones, simply because they use the same package management and can be easily removed
[05:06] <IntelMacUser> shadeofgrey I can't get it to install it can't find BIOS(obvously)
[05:06] <keitherz> because my login screen is xubuntu I want to make it ubuntu
[05:06] <Himpalapotamus> nick_fn: the package ends with .deb
[05:06] <nickrud> Himpalapotamus: and also, because it's most likely to work :)
[05:06] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, it won't, the fan speed on macs is controlled in the firmware, which means that the OS does not controll it, all you can do is raise the fan speed, you can't decrease it more than Apple has it set to go, and the firmware will always raise the fan speed if it gets to hot
[05:07] <IntelMacUser> is there a way to alter the boot commands to get it to work?
[05:07] <Himpalapotamus> nick_fn: thank you very much for your help
[05:07] <nickrud> Himpalapotamus: you have the right idea, though, using debs. Makes your life much easier all round
[05:08] <nickrud> !usplash | keitherz
[05:08] <ubot3> keitherz: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[05:08] <keitherz> that's fixed
[05:08] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, That is why for people that want to raise the fan speed in windows ( on an intel mac ) they use smc fan controll in OSx then reboot ( actually shutting down looses the settings, as does suspending ) and the fan speed stays high because the firmware setting havn't reset
[05:09] <keitherz> the login screen is the one I need to fix
[05:09] <talcite> hey guys, what's the command to add a user to a group?
[05:09] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, And windows can't even raise the minimum fan speed like Linux and OSx can :)
[05:09] <footy> my pointer preferences is not showing up under my mouse preferences like it's supposed to.  is there something i need to install additionally?
[05:09] <Himpalapotamus> I downloaded the lastest ATI drivers for my geforce go 9600 and it's working ok, but when I go into the restricted drivers panel it says I'm not using the proprietary driver.  If I enable that, it will roll back to a previous proprietery driver won't it?
[05:09] <nickrud> keitherz: ah, sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:10] <ben_underscore> Himpalapotamus: isn't geforce an nvidia card?
[05:10] <gOLdenHaWK3D> footy: it is in Preferences>Appeaerence>Themes>Customize>Pointers
[05:10] <Himpalapotamus> ben_underscore:  lol ok umm...  it's an ATI radeon mobility 9600 (sorry)
 what does "glxinfo | grep vendor" say?
[05:10] <oldmanstan> anybody know how the displays and graphics thingy in gutsy handles multiple displays?
[05:11] <whta> i'm currently on the live cd because i want to reinstall, but i'm having some issues that i DON'T have on my real install. thef irst is the sound is a lot softer. why would this be?
[05:11] <oldmanstan> i got it set up but it runs like crap
[05:11] <darwin81> If I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu, what packages should I install to get Java working in Firefox?
[05:12] <Himpalapotamus> Xlib:  extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:12] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U I found where to edit a file that will set the fan speed at boiot up but whats the command to edit files again?  its sudo gedit blah blah blah right?
[05:12] <footy> gOLdenHaWK3D: ah there they are, thankx
[05:12] <walter> im having trouble booting to the install cd, it bumps me to an busybox console...the last thing it prints is a bunch of ext3/kjournald messages
[05:12] <gOLdenHaWK3D> footy: :)
[05:12] <gavintlgold> shadeofgrey: if you want to use gedit, yes
[05:12] <Evanlec> shadeofgrey, correct
[05:12] <shadeofgrey> okay
[05:12] <gavintlgold> shadeofgrey: ;)
[05:12] <vladuz976> with mono I can compile C# on linux?
[05:13] <J-_> !mono
[05:13] <ubot3> mono: Mono CLI (.NET) runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.4-6ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 28 kB
[05:13] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Yes, but in general it is better to use gksudo with GUI applications, it doesn't matter with gedit but does with some others
[05:13] <keitherz> nickrud thanks ill try if this works
[05:13] <Jordan_U> !gksudo | shadeofgrey
[05:13] <ubot3> shadeofgrey: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using « sudo <GUI-application> » - See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo for more info
[05:13] <coreymanshack> i'm having a problem with gnome right now...
[05:14] <punsad> does anyone know if there are ways to get more games and or levels to the games that are available on gcompris in Edubuntu
[05:14] <coreymanshack> if i switch desktops... one of my toolbars dissapear
[05:14] <coreymanshack> is it supposed to do that?
[05:14] <Himpalapotamus> CubeXombi it says Xlib:  extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:14] <shadeofgrey> listen everyboody...  some of you know this some of you dont - but im really severely physically handicapped an d wheelchair bound.  the bottom line is that i can onlyu tupew with one hand which means i ca n only go so fast....  but ill keeep rebooting into macx and coming here till i get networking running on ubuntu
 - i had to qwitch to the DRI driver, mind you I;m using an R200 not an R340 gimme a sec and I'll take a look, you may need to do what i did
[05:15] <vladuz976> what is C# good for? does it do anything that Java can't be done with Java?
[05:15] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U and you are officially my new hero for helping me with all this shit -- i swewar to god ill snail mail you a bottle of your favorite liquior in thanks for all he help
[05:15] <gOLdenHaWK3D> vladuz976: C# and Java are almost equivalent, i think!
[05:15] <mohkohn> I am getting an error on a custom kernel. "Alert /dev/sda4 does not exist"
 - just as i thought .. you card isn't supported by the ATI binary driver thats why
[05:15] <nilson> New problem. Ubuntu startup freezes 2/3 of the time about 1/4 way through the progress bar on the splash screen
[05:15] <IdleOne> !ohmy | shadeofgrey
[05:15] <shadeofgrey> and as soonn as i get everything settled in Ubuntu you have my word that ill hang out in here and heklp other poeople
[05:15] <ubot3> shadeofgrey: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:16] <punsad> vladuz976: a friend of my who works for GoldmannSachs IT dept says he thinks it's great and they use it extensively.
[05:16] <Himpalapotamus> CubeXombi: interesting.  ok well it seems to be working with whatever it's doing, but I just don't have that custom effects choice
 - may have spoken too soon .. 1 more sec
[05:16] <Himpalapotamus> but everything else seems to be working fine
[05:16] <shadeofgrey> i was a constant here in this chnneel back when i was PC but that poor pentium three eeventually gave out and its taken me this long to get things going on my mac
[05:16] <osmosis> What config setting on a ssh server would prevent public key authentication from working?
[05:16] <whta> sort of off topic, but does anyone know if zsnes save states are stored in the home folder?
[05:16] <mohkohn> I have updated udev already. Is there another reason why I am having this problem?
[05:16] <friedtofu> hm.. which is better right now, utorrent via wine or deluge?
[05:16] <darwin81> If I'm using 64-bit Ubuntu, what packages should I install to get Java working in Firefox?
[05:17] <bobgill> How can I find out what the process name is of a window ? ie., I want to know what aMSN chat windows are called so I can set them to open on workspace 1 in my openbox config
[05:17] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U thank you so much for being such a great friend.  i officially owe you one big time!
[05:17] <O10> how do I find out what version of Ubuntu I'm running?
[05:17] <vladuz976> punsad, yeah all investment banks use it. I work for RBS and they want me to learn C# and Java
[05:17] <shadeofgrey> ill be back in 30 to 45 -- in 10 idf  i cant get anything working right!  =)
[05:17] <O10> I did `cat /proc/version` and it says 4.1 ... but I don't think that's correct.
[05:18] <shadeofgrey> and thanks to everybody else thats helped me oiut
[05:18] <punsad> vladuz976: very interesting
[05:18] <shadeofgrey> i owe all of you
[05:18] <jontec> I am setting up an IRC server with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dancer-IRCD, but I'm stuck: I just can't get nickserv to work
[05:18] <shadeofgrey> big tyime
[05:18] <O10> how do I find out what version of Ubuntu I'm running? I did `cat /proc/version` and it says 4.1 ... but I don't think that's correct.
[05:18] <vladuz976> punsad, only thing is I don't wanna switch platforms just for C#
[05:18] <dxdt> O10: lsb-release -a
[05:18] <nickrud> shadeofgrey: you're gonna make everyone blush :)
[05:18] <IdleOne> O10: lsb_release -a
[05:18] <dragonmc> hey guys, just installed gutsy and now none of my smb shares work.  they show up in windows, but can't access them.  this a common problem?
[05:19] <dxdt> yeah _ not -
[05:19]  * coreymanshack waves at nickrud
[05:19] <punsad> vladuz976: hmm... I'll tell you right now - I know nothing about it first hand.  I'm not a programmer at all
[05:19]  * nickrud waves back
[05:19] <O10> thanks :)
[05:19] <O10> 7.04
[05:19] <ozzyparrot> hi people
[05:19] <whta> sort of off topic, but does anyone know if zsnes save states are stored in the home folder?
[05:20] <ozzyparrot> I was wondering, what is the best with 7.10  video card  with dual screen
[05:20] <ozzyparrot> supported
[05:20] <walter> vladuz976: mono works for everything except system.windows.forms in my experience
[05:20] <friedtofu> whta i believe they are ... in the .zsnes folder
[05:20] <Tiago_> can any one tell me about the new ati drivers comming out for 7.10?
[05:21] <vladuz976> walter, oh interesting. what do you use it for?
[05:21] <nickrud> Tiago_: 7.10 has the 8.37 drivers, nothing new there
[05:21] <walter> vladuz976: hobby, i was actually working on an opengl game with it most recently
[05:22] <brunodisk> noite
[05:22] <cappicard> hrmm... why is gnome not bringing up the desktop for me in gutsy? it stays at the beige screen when I attempt to login...
[05:22] <Tiago_> nickrud, i was told earlyer that there were drivers in the works that would alowe me to use dual head and compiz-fusion
[05:22] <nilson> Since I changed to the nvidia gfx driver, Screen and Graphics prefs only has like three resolutions available, not the one I need for my LCD.
[05:22] <nilson> Will I have to manually edit xorg.conf
[05:23] <nilson> This is the exact reason I dumped Windows off the PC today
[05:23] <nilson> why cant it let me pick my own f-cking resolution
[05:23] <nickrud> Tiago_: you can right now, with xserver-xgl. The newest ati one, 8.42 , doesn't require the xgl server, but is not in ubuntu. Probably won't be until next release
[05:24] <keitherz> nickrud its still xubuntu
[05:24] <Tiago_> nickrud, how would i go about installing and enabeling it? is there a tutorial available?
[05:24] <nickrud> nilson: take a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log , look for the monitor recognition section. Probably the monitor isn't reporting clearly
[05:24] <CubeXombi> nilson, you may need to manually edit it.. it's a pain,
[05:24] <buttercups> Tiago_, If you want give this a go http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591066, what I am running right now on my x300
[05:24] <keitherz> darnish login screen
[05:24] <nickrud> Tiago_: yes, a good one. A sec
[05:25] <Tiago_> thank you buttercups
[05:25] <iobelisk> hi, can anybody tell me how to add kde4 as a log-on session?
[05:25] <nickrud> keitherz: you did sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm, selected gdm, then restarted it? (ctl-alt-backspace)
[05:25] <nilson> I can edit it manually thats not a problem. Ubuntu's not going to over write it is it
[05:25] <nickrud> Tiago_: http://www.howforge.com/how-setup-fglrx-8-42-3-and-compiz-ubuntu-gutsy
[05:25] <nilson> This is really pissing me off simply because its such a stupid issue and its the reason I dumped Windows a few hours ago on this computer.
[05:26] <nickrud> nilson: no, ubuntu won't overwrite it
[05:26] <ozzyparrot> which works better  and is better supported for 7.10   =  nvidia  or ati ?
[05:26] <CubeXombi> nilson, don't see why it would unless you reconfigure it later with an app.. if it doesn't detect your resolutioon it'l;l usually wipe it.. I'd probably make a backup of it once you've got it right
[05:26] <nilson> It's a 1280x720 widescreen LCD monitor. Not that hard to do.
[05:26] <MFen> what's the command-line version of "update-manager -c -d" ?
[05:26] <brad016> how can i play itunes m4v videos in ubuntu
[05:26] <MFen> i want to upgrade a headless host to gutsy from the feisty
[05:26] <brad016> vlc doesn't work
[05:26] <Tiago_> thank you nickrud, would i have to dissable my current driver?
[05:26] <nilson> It has resolutions all around 1280x720
[05:26] <kahrytan> iobelisk, It is possible just be patient
[05:27] <nickrud> Tiago_: it has step by step instructions, including how to disable the current ati fglrx
[05:27] <brad016> how can i play itunes m4v videos in ubuntu
[05:27] <Himpalapotamus> thanks CubeXombi and nickrud for your help
[05:27] <MFen> i know i can a) edit sources.list  b) run apt-get dist-upgrade... but update-manager -c -d seems to do some other things. also, it's simpler (just a command, no manually configs editing) and thus is preferable to me
[05:27] <kahrytan> iobelisk, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2920.html
 - no sweat .. i tried
[05:27] <ozzyparrot> anyone ?
[05:27] <nickrud> Tiago_: I read a lot of howto's on that in the last few days, that one includes the best of each
[05:27] <MFen> is there an aptitude or apt-get equivalent of that?
[05:28] <rob2323> i lost the bar at the top of all windows with the min./max/ x button and i don't know how to get it back
[05:28] <Tiago_> nickrud, awsome, im going to boot into ubuntu now, do you mind helping if mess up?
[05:28] <ozzyparrot> ANYONE???
[05:28] <nickrud> Tiago_: I'll be logging off soon, but will be on afternoon tomorrow pst
[05:28] <warbler> MFen: gksu update-manager -d is the command to go from feisty to gutsy
[05:28] <kahrytan> iobelisk,  did you follow the link?
[05:28] <MFen> warbler: headless host.
[05:28] <MFen> no X.
[05:28] <Tiago_> nickrud, ok thanks mate
[05:28] <nickrud> MFen: no there isn't
[05:29] <MFen> nickrud: ok, thanks
[05:29] <nickrud> MFen: server?
[05:29] <gOLdenHaWK3D> ozzyparrot: I think its Nvidia.
[05:29] <ozzyparrot> nvidia  or ati is best for  gusty ?
[05:29] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  new user?
[05:29] <iobelisk> kahrytan, yes, i did, thank you, i am reading the thread now.
[05:29] <warbler> Men: then try sudo
[05:29] <MFen> nickrud: yeah
[05:29] <ozzyparrot> thank you gOLdenHaWK3D
[05:29] <nickrud> MFen: then you have no choice :)
[05:29] <kahrytan> iobelisk, In exec, just enter the command you use to open kde4.
[05:29] <MFen> nickrud: does update-manager -c -d do anything other than edit sources.list for you?
[05:30] <webpirate> hello all..
[05:30] <gOLdenHaWK3D> ozzyparrot: Nvidia got better open source community support, than an ATi.
 could be a tossup .. new drivers only came out for ati last week.. so far looks likea pain to install for some.. easy and anything forothers
[05:30] <nickrud> MFen: yes, at the least it makes sure that ubuntu-desktop is installed. Doesn't apply to you.
[05:30] <keitherz> nickrud what?
[05:30] <kahrytan> !hello | webpirate
[05:30] <ubot3> webpirate: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[05:30]  * ectospasm Tom Waits - Alice: The Original Demos - Down The Reeperbahn (x«amarok)
[05:30] <Master_Z> I have a question
[05:30] <briantumor> hi
[05:30] <MFen> nickrud: aha. thanks. :)
[05:30] <darwin81> I'm running Ubuntu 64-bit edition and when I go to a Java applet in Firefox it just shows a blank box.
[05:30] <webpirate> has anyone been playing with compiz-fusion?
[05:30] <Tiago_> kahrytan, im new to gusty though i have ran each build since 6.10 and succesfuly enabled dual head + beryl/compiz-fusion on all but gusty
[05:30] <ubot3> darwin81: Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: not well-formed (invalid token): line 347, column 84
[05:30] <keitherz> nickrud what select gdm?
[05:30] <webpirate> I can't seem to get the desktop cube to work.....everything else works...
[05:30] <Master_Z> I just formatted free space to install Live CD. It said I need to select a mount point. What should it be?
[05:30] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  oh
[05:30] <iobelisk> kahrytan, actually i have not yet tried running kde4 from the terminal, mostly because i don't know how.
[05:31] <bobgill> How can I find out what the process name is of a window ? ie., I want to know what aMSN chat windows are called so I can set them to open on workspace 1 in my openbox config
[05:31] <Evanlec> darwin81, look around in here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=134
[05:31] <briantumor> this is what i get when i run 'locale'
[05:31] <briantumor> http://rafb.net/p/koFl6Q86.txt
[05:31] <ozzyparrot> CubeXombi  thanks,   i just needed to know cause im building a dual core extream  computer and didnt know which dual screen  card would of been better
[05:31] <briantumor> how do i make it en_US?
[05:31] <nickrud> keitherz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm ; you should get a choice between gdm and xdm
[05:31] <webpirate> darwin>> I have had very good luck with Automatix for installing java and flash player automatically...
[05:31] <keitherz> wait
[05:31] <IdleOne> !locales | briantumor
[05:31] <ubot3> briantumor: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[05:31] <nickrud> !automatix (knee jerk reaction)
[05:31] <webpirate> amsn windows are called WISH
[05:31] <Master_Z> someone please help me.
[05:31] <ubot3> nickrud: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[05:32] <nickrud> !automatix | darwin81 (knee jerk reaction)
[05:32] <ubot3> darwin81 (knee jerk reaction): Automatix2 is a 3rd-party product attempting to automate installation of additional software. When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it. A technical analysis from a Debian/Ubuntu developer can be found at http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (See also: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:32] <Master_Z> live cd is asking me to specify the mount point.  The real resolution shown is like 800x600 and the screen scrolls
[05:33] <nilson> whats this about
[05:33] <nickrud> Master_Z: it should be / if you're only creating one partition, and don't forget the swap partition
[05:33] <ozzyparrot> the mount point
[05:33] <webpirate> automatix just runs scripts though....most of them just automate apt-get items
[05:33] <ozzyparrot> lol
[05:33] <Master_Z> so just / ?
[05:33] <walter> sigh, i give up installing this
[05:33] <kahrytan> Tiago_, I switched when Vista came out.
[05:33] <Master_Z> whats the swap partition?
[05:33] <nickrud> nilson: have you looked at the Xorg.0.log?
[05:33] <keitherz> nickrud I only get  * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...
[05:33] <Dev05> Hi. What was that file that ran as root every single time you turn your PC on>
[05:33] <Dev05> ?
[05:33] <webpirate> I mean lets face it...anything can break the linux install....but you never know until you try...
[05:33] <ozzyparrot> ewww i have vista     its  crap
[05:33] <warbler> Master_Z: the live cd suggests 2gig+ for / and swap that eqauls the memory you have
[05:33] <ozzyparrot> :(
[05:33] <keitherz>  * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.
[05:33] <Master_Z> oh ok
[05:33] <ozzyparrot> stay with xp
[05:33] <keitherz>     [ OK ]
[05:33] <nickrud> keitherz: hm, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xdm .
[05:33] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  well. sorta. Last april was the official begin for me.
[05:33] <ebirtaid> xp is wack
[05:34] <Master_Z> thanks
[05:34] <warbler> k
[05:34] <ozzyparrot> xp  is better than  vista
[05:34] <keitherz> package xdm is not installed
[05:34] <ebirtaid> true
[05:34] <Tiago_> kahrytan, oh cool, i had beta tested vista since the alpha builds and was also far more impressed by the progress linux had made
[05:34] <Flynsarmy> If i'm creating an NTFS partition out of Free space and it's going to be used just to store files on, do i make it a primary or logical?
[05:34] <webpirate> MY OWN personal experience with Automatix as well as ENVY have been extremely good.....that does not mean that you will not have problems...but it's worth a shot
[05:34] <pabl0> hi
[05:34] <mohkohn> vista sucks your whole hard drive.
[05:34] <kahrytan> Tiago_, you mean Compiz Fusion.
[05:34] <rob2323> how do i get my window titles bar and border back
[05:35] <ozzyparrot> no  vista   just sucks
[05:35] <ozzyparrot> :-P
[05:35] <nickrud> keitherz: xubuntu has changed how it does the login screen since I last looked, sorry. Try system->admin->login screen
[05:35] <nilson> nickrud: no errors, only NVIDIA(0): Setting mode 800x600@60
[05:35] <mohkohn> ozzyparrot, no argument here.
[05:35] <ebirtaid> fn'kahrytan: not necessarily
[05:35] <keitherz> nickrud package xdm is not installed
[05:35] <nickrud> keitherz: read back up
[05:35] <ozzyparrot> lol
[05:35] <ebirtaid> apt-get install xdm?
[05:35]  * ectospasm Tom Waits - Bone Machine - Earth Died Screaming (x«amarok)
[05:35] <nickrud> nilson: put it up on a pastebin, if you would
[05:35] <_narcarsiss> vista needs 3gig ram just to rus as good as 2000 :P
[05:35] <ozzyparrot> anyone running  gusty with dual monitors?
[05:35] <mohkohn> I am still having problems after installing a custom kernel
[05:35] <jscinoz> hey guys, in nvidia-settings there are presets for 2d and 3d clock speeds, however it keeps switching between these randomly (especially annoying when it switches to 2d freqs in etqw) how can i make it only switch at the appropriate times
[05:35] <webpirate> Just like this problem I have......I always have better luck installing KDE after installing ubuntu rather than downloading Kubuntu..
[05:35] <kahrytan> Tiago_, http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o200/kahrytan/compiz/?
[05:35] <Tiago_> kahrytan, well i had allready played with beryl before that, but yes the transition from beryl to compiz-fusion blew me away, also alot of updates to gnome and ubuntu packages gave it an overall better feel
[05:36] <webpirate> but some people  just download kubuntu and have no problems..
[05:36] <keitherz> nickrud you mean login windows
[05:36] <kahrytan> Tiago_, I want to see Vista pull that off
[05:36] <ikon> how can i uninstall an application from console ?
[05:36] <mohkohn> I get "Alert /dev/sda4 does not exist" then it drops to a busybox shell
[05:36] <nickrud> keitherz: yeah, they keep changing names :)
[05:36] <ozzyparrot> BERYL RULZ
[05:36] <ebirtaid> ikon:  sudo apt-get remove package_name
[05:36] <_narcarsiss> i have compiz installed but i dont know how to install fuzion
[05:36] <ikon> beryl dont exist, now is called compiz fusion, ozzyparrot
[05:36] <webpirate> but it took me time to learn that kubuntu does not work for me...I have to install ubuntu first then use synaptic to get KDE
[05:36] <ebirtaid> weird
[05:37] <ikon> ebirtaid, how can i know the package name ?
[05:37] <ozzyparrot> ikon   yep thats correct,   i havent installed the new version   i just had the bveryl  version
[05:37] <ebirtaid> whats the program?
[05:37] <ozzyparrot> it was way cool!
[05:37] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  make sure to turn on backports (not the unsupported one) in Software Repositories.
[05:37] <ebirtaid> did you install via apt-get or synaptic?
[05:37] <_narcarsiss> apt-get
[05:37] <ikon> via automatix
[05:37] <webpirate> when i install kubuntu I have major problems with reading filesystems...but the other way it works fine
[05:37] <mohkohn> I have updated udev. looking at fstab all is good and automagic menu.list for both the default kernel and the custom kernel both point to it.
[05:38] <keitherz> nickrud what's the default background color
[05:38] <ebirtaid> ahhh cant help with automatix too much but I would suggest open synaptic and search for the program name
[05:38] <ebirtaid> and try removing that way
[05:38] <ebirtaid> right click -> remove
[05:38] <nickrud> keitherz: don't know
[05:38] <Flynsarmy> If i have a Windows partition, a Ubuntu partition and an unformatted partition at the end of the HDD, If i want to make that free space NTFS to store files on do i make it a primary or logical?
[05:38] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  like my screenshots of compiz?
[05:38] <Tiago_> kahrytan, indeed, it should be theoreticly possible with the new wpf in vista, how ever they have not taken full adantage of the posebilitys as compiz has
[05:38] <mohkohn> Could the problem be a missing module.
[05:38] <mohkohn> ?
[05:38] <ebirtaid> logical I would think
[05:38] <keitherz> use yours and give me the color code
[05:38] <pabl0> I upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy. Now compizfusion does not work. I have an ATI card (ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250). Basically I can login to gnome via GDM if I DONT HAVE xserver-xgl, however if I install it the gnome session times out and restarts the session. Any ideas?
[05:38] <Tiago_> kahrytan, yes very nice
[05:38] <nickrud> keitherz: haven't learned how to change that first color code
[05:38] <ozzyparrot> that was a logical answer
[05:39] <Flynsarmy> ebirtaid: What's the difference between the two?
[05:39] <ozzyparrot> :-P
[05:39] <kahrytan> Tiago_, If Avant was stable, it could replace the panels.
[05:39] <Tiago_> kahrytan, i think you would like mine, i have gone for a full leopard clone
[05:39] <ikon> why ubuntu have ext3 instead ZFS partition ?
[05:39] <ebirtaid> a hard drive can only have a limited amount of primary partitons
[05:39] <ikon> ZFS is much better
[05:39] <ebirtaid> linux uses ext3 and not zfs by default
[05:39] <nickrud> ikon: known stability, and inertia
[05:39] <Tiago_> kahrytan, i use awn full time with no majour issues
[05:39] <keitherz> nickrud open your login window preferences and go to local then the background color
[05:39] <cappicard> hmm...  getautmatix.com isnt' resolving
[05:39] <riverfr0zen> pablo - did you try to update to the latest restricted driver and reinstall xserver-xgl?
[05:39] <keitherz> get the color name
[05:39] <kahrytan> Tiago_, I get crashes.
[05:39] <nilson> nickrud: pastebin.ca/752249
[05:39] <nilson> nickrud: xorg.conf
[05:39] <nickrud> keitherz: I've never changed it
[05:40] <ebirtaid> cappicard: its spelled wrong
[05:40] <Tiago_> kahrytan, that sucks,  i get many problems with kiba
[05:40] <pabl0> riverfr0zen, nop. Which driver should I update?
[05:40] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  but with main menu applet, work app list, and workspace applet, no need for panel.
[05:40] <keitherz> you just have to get the color name
[05:40] <Chad92> Does anyone use Ubuntu with an iMac?
[05:40] <ozzyparrot> why bother
[05:40] <keitherz> I want the default for ubuntu
[05:40] <ozzyparrot> use on eor the other
[05:40] <keitherz> my setting is for xubuntu
[05:40] <ebirtaid> ozzyparrot: ...?
[05:40] <kahrytan> Tiago_, I like how compiz copied apple on coverflow
[05:41] <ikon> how can i uninstall switchfox ?
[05:41] <ozzyparrot> ebirtaid  ??
[05:41] <Chad92> ...I wish I *could* use compiz..
[05:41] <ebirtaid> use on or the other what?
[05:41] <Sine> How do I stop Gaim froms tarting up everytime I start linux when it was open last time i shut down
[05:41] <ebirtaid> one*
[05:41] <nickrud> nilson: the /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it has the record of how X started up
[05:41] <riverfr0zen> can anyone tell me where i can change how gnome-screensaver starts up (i need to use different options for it)
[05:41] <ozzyparrot> im currently running  gusty  in  vmware    off vista
[05:41] <Tiago_> kahrytan, yeah, its brough to much functionality to linux, and will be a platform for so many revolutionary plugins
[05:41] <Javid> why would you use vista
[05:41] <Javid> why
[05:41] <ozzyparrot> but cant the trendy video   dont work
[05:42] <ozzyparrot> because i bought it
[05:42] <ozzyparrot> lol
[05:42] <Javid> you PAID for vista?
[05:42] <nilson> nickrud: pastebin.ca/752250
[05:42] <ebirtaid> that sucks
[05:42] <ozzyparrot> i know
[05:42] <ikon> who paids for vista?
[05:42] <cappicard> deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt gutsy main  gets inserted into my sources.list file
[05:42] <keitherz> nickrud what is it
[05:42] <cappicard> by automatix2.
[05:42] <ozzyparrot> worst mistake i made on computers for a long time
[05:42] <nilson> nickrud: by the way, the screen worked fine before I installed the nvidia drivers.
[05:42] <Sine> i bought a comp that came with vista
[05:42] <cappicard> that site does not resolve
[05:42] <jscinoz> automatix is obsolete with gutsy.
[05:42] <ikon> i know jscinoz
[05:42] <Sine> automatix is stupid anyways
[05:42] <thingummywut> uhh... my screen works weirdly. in the log-in screen the bottom doesn't fit on my monitor, but apparently when i'm logged it works ok, because the background image fits to screen but i still don't see the bottom
[05:42] <ozzyparrot> is their a gusty only room ?
[05:42] <nickrud> keitherz: patience, jeez :) #DAB082
[05:43] <Tiago_> kahrytan, gnome still lacks some of the polishings of say leopard, even when compleatly themed but i can see how it will soon surpass even apple in terms of asthetics
[05:43] <Javid> ozzyparrot, this is it
[05:43] <ikon> who buy's windows vista?
[05:43] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  M$ has to catch up to Linux with its next release in 6 or 7 years at the rate linux eye candy is going
[05:43] <keitherz> thanks a lot
[05:43] <jscinoz> Using qemu with the kqemu kernel module, what percent of normal speed should i be expecting? 60%?
[05:43] <ebirtaid> eye candy is not the primary goal of linux or windows
[05:43] <ozzyparrot> Javid   ohhh,   i didnt realise   lol.  thanks
[05:43] <Sine> !java
[05:43] <ubot3> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[05:43] <kahrytan> Tiago_, Dolphin file manager is better the nautilus
[05:43] <ebirtaid> I would rather have a stable proper system than a nice looking pos
[05:43] <Javid> ebirtaid, but it's soooo pretty
[05:44] <ebirtaid> agreed
[05:44] <ebirtaid> but I like a minimal desktop so its just my opinion
[05:44] <Nyle> I have kubuntu feisty and when I try to go to kcontrol there are no config options in there.  Systems Settings (the new controls) crashes.  kde 3.5.8
[05:44] <wobblywu> i'm not sure why the near-unanimous decision on vista vs ubuntu+compiz is in favour of ubuntu
[05:44] <ebirtaid> oh obviously
[05:44] <ebirtaid> vista cannot compare
[05:44] <keitherz> is the default session really run xclient script
[05:44] <Tiago_> kahrytan, i dont think windows is structured on a model that could ever posible catch up to linux at the moment, linux has the ability to produce novelty and deliver it daily, and the more people use linux the faster the rate of novelty will occure, linux is the platform for the next age of computing
[05:44] <wobblywu> imo vista is still quite ahead of ubuntu in making it look normal
[05:44] <nickrud> nilson: you have a E17T4W ?
[05:44] <avi__> I am trying to get Ubuntu 7.10 to work on my friends HP pavillion laptop, two problems: a - wireless doesn't work w/ restricted firmware (whatever, prolly fixable w/ ndiswrapper) , b ) and the REAL problem, something is using up the full processor on IO waiting slowing stuff down
[05:44] <jscinoz> blasphemy! wobblywu
[05:44] <ebirtaid> normal?
[05:45] <wobblywu> with ubuntu I always have the feeling i'm looking at some pretty cool effects, but in Vista it's actually integrated well
[05:45] <kahrytan> Tiago_, Why do you wantto switch?
[05:45] <ebirtaid> I would have to disagree
[05:45] <wobblywu> you of course need a top range videocard + 2GB of RAM to even display it, but it's prettier
[05:45] <Sine> Vista looks great, but beryl (compiz) ads the cool features such as 3d cubetop
[05:45] <ebirtaid> ha
[05:45] <ozzyparrot> any one see any probs  with this set up ?   3gig dual core extreame, dual monitors, radeon 512mb card, gigabyte mborad, 2 gig mem
[05:45] <Tiago_> kahrytan, to linux?
[05:45] <nilson> nickrud: Thats probably the serial #. It's a 17" widescreen emachines monitor
[05:45] <pengi_> omg ubuntu looks way better
[05:45] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: problems regarding... ?
[05:45] <Sine> ozzyparrot: get a better vid card
[05:45] <ozzyparrot> known issues with gusty
[05:45] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: if you're hoping to run linux on that, get a nvidia
[05:45] <jscinoz> meh, name one vista ui effect compiz cant do :P
[05:45] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  yeah. I said trying cuz you aren't there it seems yet
[05:46] <ozzyparrot> sine   what type of video card u suggest ?
[05:46] <wobblywu> jscinoz: making it look like more than just some effects thrown on an OS is what compiz can't do
[05:46] <avi__> So, anyone know how to monitor what could be using up 100% cpu on IO interrupts?
[05:46] <ebirtaid> vista has the sidebar though!
[05:46] <wobblywu> also, making the address bar gradually change colour is another thing
[05:46] <kahrytan> jscinoz,  the window transparency.
[05:46] <wobblywu> vista does that while loading the folder
[05:46] <jscinoz> wobblywu, how so, i find compiz-fusion perfeclty integrates
[05:46] <nickrud> nilson: look at lines 277 and 278 , those are the vert and horiz. X thinks those are not capable of allowing the following modes.
[05:46] <jscinoz> CF can do window transparency.
[05:46] <wobblywu> also, vista has much much nicer desktop widgets than are available for linux
[05:46] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu   nvidia   video card ?
[05:46] <ebirtaid> wobblywu: not really
[05:46] <kahrytan> jscinoz,  compiz can't dothe Windows Key+E bug that vista has.
[05:46] <ikon> ozzyparrot, you paid for windows vista?
[05:46] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: ati's linux drivers are horrible, nvidia's are half-decent
[05:46] <ebirtaid> use screenlets or deksletss
[05:47] <wobblywu> ebirtaid: I am...
[05:47] <pengi_> compiz integrates and it has way more features then vista can and heres the best part ubuntu doesnt crash like vista does
[05:47] <wobblywu> ebirtaid: desklets is probably the buggiest thing since Vista
[05:47] <Tiago_> kahrytan, im trying to make a complete swich because i belive in living by example, how ever linux as yet still lacks the 3rd party supprt to run all of my multimedia applications such as adobe suite, though im sure once i have my dual head set up ill spend alot more time forceing adobe products to function ether under wine or virtualized in virtualbox
[05:47] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu  ahh  cool,  thnanks     now i know b4 i buy
[05:47] <tomd123> ikon: i technically did, it came w/ my laptop, although I had ubuntu replace it
[05:47] <ebirtaid> depends I had no problems when running gdseklets
[05:47] <jscinoz> kahrytan you mean opening hundreds of "explore.exe"s?
[05:47] <ebirtaid> might just be me
[05:47] <nickrud> nilson: you probably need to find the correct ones, and add them to the xorg.conf. The monitor doesn't seem to be reporting correctly, probably why it didn't work in windows either
[05:47] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: also, in current-generation, nvidia cards are faster than the comparable ati cards anyway
[05:47] <tomd123> btw: anyone looking to buy a cheap vista license?
[05:47] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  You should try to use Gimp more and more.
[05:47] <avi__> Ahhh, is there anywhere to get quick support?
[05:47] <nilson> nickrud: it worked perfectly before installing nvidia drivers?
[05:47] <jscinoz> hey guys, in nvidia-settings there are presets for 2d and 3d clock speeds, however it keeps switching between these randomly (especially annoying when it switches to 2d freqs in etqw) how can i make it only switch at the appropriate times
[05:48] <pengi_> id buy vista just to remember what a crashing OS looked like....wait I wouldnt buy that I see it at work every day
[05:48] <kahrytan> jscinoz,  yeah.
[05:48] <ebirtaid> avi what do you need
[05:48] <gOLdenHaWK3D> ozzyparrot: yes, wooblywu is right.
[05:48] <nilson> How would I ever find those specs on the monitor
[05:48] <ikon> ok, anyone who paid for windows vista? any knowhow much is ?
[05:48] <nickrud> nilson: google search the exact model name
[05:48] <wobblywu> ebirtaid: it depends on the applets you try, try loading a rhythmbox applet for funsies
[05:48] <kahrytan> jscinoz, I do that bug in stores in front of customers
[05:48] <loquitus_of_borg> Can you (anyone) recommend an open source video streaming server solution for running on a Linux box? I want to be able to stream out videos I have in AVI or MPEG format so that people visiting my "website" can view videos in their browser or with Windows media player or real player or something.
[05:48] <ebirtaid> I use MPD :D
[05:48] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu   i didnt know  that.      any nvidia   dual head cards  u think is best ?
[05:48] <rob2323> ok when i do compiz --replace... i have windows with titles and borders, then as soon as I close a window, they all disappear
[05:48] <nickrud> nilson: <modelname> <modelnum> specs
[05:48] <jscinoz> kahrytan, im sure i could make a simple shell script to open a infinte amount of nautilus
[05:48] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: what budget do you have? and what are you hoping to do with it?
[05:48] <Keypad> Can some one help me find a good torrent client ?
[05:48] <jscinoz> Keypad, azureus?
[05:48] <ebirtaid> keypad:  transmission
[05:48] <ebirtaid> or deluge
[05:48] <gOLdenHaWK3D> Keypad: Transmission
[05:49] <pengi_> ikon dont get vista you will regret it
[05:49] <rob2323> ozzyparrot -- i'm using GeForce fx 5200 works well so far
[05:49] <tomd123> keypad, btdownloadcurses
[05:49] <Tiago_> kahrytan, i have tryed, and i have produced some photoshop like standards, and am very impressed by this amazing peace of open source software, but there are many other reasons photoshop and other adobe products are still industry stanard so i must continue to use them for the time being
[05:49] <ebirtaid> azureus uses alot of memeory
[05:49] <tomd123> it comes with ubuntu
[05:49] <F0CU1> vista is horrible
[05:49] <kahrytan> jscinoz, but how would linux handle it ?
[05:49]  * jscinoz has 4gb of ram
[05:49] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: the best cards price/performance wise on the market right now in my opinion are the 8800gt by nvidia, but a different brand than the standard Nvidia ones
[05:49] <F0CU1> anyone a good guide for getting started on perl?
[05:49] <Keypad> Ktorrent has window issues on my computer, Azureus crashes and Transmission downloads really slow.
[05:49] <ozzyparrot> it will be for  my office   (video card buget pf around 300)
[05:49] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  like what?
[05:49] <wobblywu> F0CU1: about.com does I believe
[05:49] <ozzyparrot> - 500
[05:49] <jscinoz> kahrytan, well i need to reboot anyways so i'll go see what happens if i open hundreds of nautilus
[05:49] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: 300-500 usd?
[05:49] <ebirtaid> there is a linux azureus client kah
[05:49] <F0CU1> ty wobblywu
[05:49] <ozzyparrot> AUD
[05:49] <wobblywu> was about to say
[05:49] <ozzyparrot> lol
[05:49] <tomd123> Focu1: ya don't try to run it on another version of perl :P
[05:49] <nilson> nickrud: useless. Ill never find that info
[05:49] <ozzyparrot> look @ my name :)
[05:49] <jscinoz> keypad, get azureus and drop in the <IP_ADDRESS> jar
[05:50] <wobblywu> so about the same, actually
[05:50] <nilson> may as well dump the nvidia driver
[05:50] <jscinoz> keypad, it fixes all the major crashes
[05:50]  * nilson shakes had
[05:50] <nilson> head
[05:50] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: I thought you were a Sabbath karaoke singer
[05:50] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  If you want 3d modeling or animation, Blender is your friend. Vector Drawing, Inkscape.
[05:50] <nickrud> nilson: try horiz, vert, I've done this on many monitors.
[05:50] <ozzyparrot> yeah  as of friday  i think it was 92 us cents to 1 aud
[05:50] <jscinoz> ubuntu repo maintainers havent put it in yet... its been out since may >_<
[05:50] <wobblywu> 300-500 is a budget overkill for anything linux, but look at the 8800GT videocard by Nvidia
[05:50] <Keypad> jscinoz: How do I do that ?
[05:50] <jscinoz> Is <IP_ADDRESS> of azureus ever going to make it into the repo? its been half a year.
[05:50] <nilson> yeah theres nothing
[05:50] <wobblywu> be sure to go with the 640mb and not the 320mb one
[05:50] <dougb> is there any easy way to get dvd playback in ubuntu?
[05:50] <jscinoz> keypad, first install azureus normally
[05:50] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  but if you having trouble using gimp, try gimpshop. It's designed for photoshop users.
[05:50] <wobblywu> jscinoz: just use the Vuse one?
[05:50] <ebirtaid> azureus is not all that
[05:50] <ebirtaid> shrug
[05:50] <nickrud> mmm, inkscape. Even an idiot (like me) can draw :)
[05:50] <Tiago_> kahrytan, im sorry inkscape is alot ferther from being compairable to illustrator and fireworks than the gimp is from replacing photoshop
[05:50] <jscinoz> no
[05:51] <wobblywu> jscinoz: they're quietly dropping support
[05:51] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu    why u say buget over kill ?
[05:51] <jscinoz> keypad, then go to azureus.sourceforge.net and download the <IP_ADDRESS> jar
[05:51] <Tiago_> kahrytan, oh that sounds cool, ill have to give that a shot
[05:51] <ztomic> how do you set screen resolution at the greeter?
[05:51] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: because linux, in all fairness, won't be using your videocard fully anyway.. and office doesn't require that much gpu processing power
[05:51] <kahrytan> Tiago_, http://www.gimpshop.com/
[05:52] <Tiago_> kahrytan, to be honest the only major anoyance i have had with the gimp so far is its failer to retain layer effects from psd files
[05:52] <jscinoz> hmm thats strange <IP_ADDRESS> isnt on azureus.soruceforge.net anymore
[05:52] <pengi_> I can build a perfectly good linux box for $212.00
[05:52] <jscinoz> hang on keypad.
[05:52] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  blame that on adobe.
[05:52] <nickrud> I can make one for $210
[05:52] <Keypad> jscinoz: Ok
[05:52] <Tiago_> kahrytan, thanks heeps mate, i think i might leave vista now, and reboot into some thing a little more comfertable
[05:52] <wobblywu> pengi_: I can't even get a monitor for that amount
[05:52] <pengi_> lol wobbly
[05:52] <jscinoz> keypad, just going to test this same thing works if i use the 3.X version
[05:52] <kahrytan> Tiago_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GIMPshop_2.2.8_Windows.png
[05:52] <tomd123> nickrud: I can find one in an alley ;-)
[05:52] <hyphenex> I'm looking for a way to monitor the sound output on ununtu, so I can make my christmas lights (programmed through the parallel ports) respond.  How would I go about monitoring the sound?
[05:52] <Tiago_> kahrytan, ill continue this convo with you soon, im eager to try out this gimpshop
[05:53] <ztomic> /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't affect the resolution of the login greeter after upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10. How can I change the resolution?
[05:53] <nickrud> oh, I loose :(
[05:53] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  it'll still have that psd issue.
[05:53] <Tiago_> kahrytan, that looks very promessing
[05:53] <kahrytan> Tiago_,  it  just takes gimp code and makes it  easier for ps users to use gimp
[05:53] <Tiago_> kahrytan, well i supose if i made an image in the gimp to begin with it wouldnt be such an issue
[05:53] <pengi_> hyphenex: i have no idea but if you find out please let me know cause i want to do that to
[05:54] <b0r3d> damn why is ubuntu downloading eclipse-platform 3.2.2-3ubuntu3 instead of 3.3
[05:54] <tomd123> does anyone know if sage is a viable replacement for mathematica or is it still premature
[05:54] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu   which gt ?   the gtx  or gts
[05:54] <F0CU1> short cut key for switching workspaces?
[05:54] <Tiago_> kahrytan, any way mate ill reboot and brb
[05:54] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: the regular gt
[05:54] <Arafangion> F0CU1: alt+arrows, afaik.
[05:54] <F0CUS> Ty
[05:54] <pengi_> hyphenex: i sent you a PM
[05:54] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu   i suppose the gts  will run the compfision  thing
[05:54] <jscinoz> keypad, yep it works with <IP_ADDRESS>, so download that and drop it in "/usr/share/java", rename or link it to Azureus2.jar so you dont have to mess with other things
[05:54] <inverse> gtx is pricey
[05:54] <Chad92> anyone using an ATI Radeon card with Ubuntu here?
[05:55] <gOLdenHaWK3D> F0CU1: Alt+Ctrl+Arrow Keys
[05:55] <ztomic> does anyone know how to set the screen resolution of the login greeter?
[05:55] <wobblywu> !anyone | Chad
[05:55] <ubot3> Chad: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[05:55] <Arafangion> F0CUS: I just wish that gnome used alt+F# like everything else. :(
[05:55] <wobblywu> d'oh
[05:55] <hyphenex> pengi_: you did?
[05:55] <pengi_> hyphenex:
[05:55] <F0CUS> one more.  shortcut key for switching keyboard layouts?
[05:55] <pengi_> ya
[05:55] <wobblywu> sorry, my mistake
[05:55] <wobblywu> ozzyparrot: 8800gts indeed
[05:55] <wobblywu> the 640mb version
[05:55] <jscinoz> keypad, did it work?
[05:55] <hyphenex> pengi_: Sorry, but I can't find it
[05:55] <wobblywu> preferably a stripped down version, such as the Club3D one
[05:55] <wobblywu> or MSI
[05:55] <Chad92> Has anyone gotten compiz to work on an iMac? (ATI Radeon X1600)
[05:55] <inverse> wobblywoo thats what i got
[05:56] <gluonman> I have an ntfs formated exthdd that I'm having difficulty opening. How can I access it?
[05:56] <Keypad> jscinoz: Im just trying to find <IP_ADDRESS> jar
[05:56] <wobblywu> inverse: then you convince him :P
[05:56] <inverse> FOCUS  left ctrl + space
[05:56] <ebirtaid> SiS ftw
[05:56] <wobblywu> gluonman: ubuntu version?
[05:56] <pengi_> hyphenex:  sent again
[05:56] <gluonman> I have gutsy.
[05:56] <inverse> wobbly: convince him what, i didnt see
[05:56] <gluonman> wobblywu, gutsy.
[05:56] <Chad92> How do I get compiz to work with an ATI Radeon X1600 with Gutsy?
[05:56] <F0CUS>  inverse u sure?
[05:56] <ozzyparrot> wobblywu  thanks for your help
[05:56] <pengi_> I just ordered an 8800gts 640mb cause gaming on linux is fun
[05:56] <wobblywu> gluonman: did it work on feisty?
[05:56] <Chad92> I've tried about 3 different tutorials, and they've all ended up hanging GNOME
[05:57] <gOLdenHaWK3D> gluonman: have u tried ntfs-3g?
[05:57] <inverse> FOCUS, i use  it to chamge from english to japanese
[05:57] <wobblywu> pengi_: I hear it can run Frozen Bubble 3
[05:57] <ozzyparrot> pengi    what games u have on linux ?
[05:57] <wobblywu> but only on low settings
[05:57] <pengi_> hehe wobbly
[05:57] <wobblywu> there's actually Unreal Tournament, World of Warcraft, Quake 4 on linux
[05:57] <wobblywu> to name a few
[05:57] <pengi_> i have steam installed and Warcraft 3
[05:57] <F0CUS>  im trying to change from qwerty to dvorak
[05:57] <gOLdenHaWK3D> ozzyparrot: TuxRacer :)
[05:57] <gluonman> wobblywu, it did work on feisty.
[05:57] <wobblywu> <insert opengl game> works on linux
[05:57] <wobblywu> F0CUS: waste of your precious time, that
[05:57] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, I have not.
[05:57] <ozzyparrot> gOLdenHaWK3D   lol
[05:57] <wobblywu> F0CUS: but be sure to read the Douglas Adams rant on qwerty one day
[05:58] <Arafangion> F0CUS: Consider teh colmak layout instead.
[05:58] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, but if I reformat it before I'm able to get my files from it, I'll lose everything.
[05:58] <gOLdenHaWK3D> gluonman: u have problem reading/mounting/writing ntfs or what?
[05:58] <ozzyparrot> i wonder if uptake of guty  has increased
[05:58] <ozzyparrot> like in new people
[05:58] <inverse> Im installing farcry as we speak (on xp) i cant get anything to work in gutsy
[05:58] <wobblywu> my layout is the 'woblyu' layout, so I can type my nick faster
[05:58] <jscinoz> qemu + kqemu = zomg fast
[05:58] <c0Ld> Is there a command to disable GTK themes and/or effects for an application before it's opened? Like DisableGTK=1 firefox ?
[05:58] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, it just won't open the drive for me to even see my files.
[05:58] <rom10> hi
[05:58] <Chad92> wobblywu, that's sweet :P
[05:58] <Arafangion> wobblywu: What you need is to bind the menu key to be a macro for the nick. :)
[05:58] <Keypad> jscinoz: is this the one ? 			Azureus<IP_ADDRESS>.jar
[05:58] <shadeofgrey> damn
[05:58] <Crankymonky> 7.10 is written Gutsy Gibbon, right?
[05:58] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, but I think it's mounted, because the icon shows up on my desktop.
[05:58] <shadeofgrey> we now have a serious problem
[05:58] <ebirtaid> yea
[05:58] <gOLdenHaWK3D> gluonman: its an external hard drive, right?
[05:58] <rom10> i am having problem with xserver
[05:58] <Chad92> Crankymonky, yes
[05:59] <Chad92> rom10, you're not the only one/
[05:59] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, What?
[05:59] <Crankymonky> Woot, I can spell:P
[05:59] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, yes.
[05:59] <rom10> Please HElp
[05:59] <shadeofgrey> i think i borked the install bad enough that i hacve to completely reinstll
[05:59] <kahrytan> Crankymonky,  dont leave out our Hardy Heron friend.
[05:59] <dougb> i'm trying to watch a DVD in ubuntu gusty, and i can hear the sound but the picture is green static...does anyone know what would be the cause of this?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, I doubt it :)
[05:59] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, What did you do?
[05:59] <rom10> i am running ubuntu on the virtual server 2005
[05:59] <shadeofgrey> wekll heres what i did
[05:59] <gOLdenHaWK3D> gluonman: install the ntfs-3g drivers first. then mount your hard drive using those drivers manually.
[05:59] <F0CUS> wobblywu its a long story
[05:59] <wobblywu> hardy heron is going to mix up with the hoary hedgehog a lot, I bet
[05:59] <wobblywu> ntfs-3g is part of Ubuntu 7.10 actually
[05:59] <kahrytan> dougb,  got libdvdcss installed?
[05:59] <jscinoz> Keypad, yes, that will do just fine, you can also use the 3.X series jar if you wish
[06:00] <wobblywu> but you might have to enable it... ?
[06:00] <shadeofgrey> first, i set my fan speed to dfull power in mac, and when i rebooted into ubuntu it jkept them running at that state
[06:00] <cvd> hey, any software like deamon-tools to linux, to mount .iso .bin etc....
[06:00] <dougb> kahrytan: yes it is installed
[06:00] <wobblywu> dougb: fastest way for DVD is VLC
[06:00] <kahrytan> dougb,  and codecs>
[06:00] <gluonman> gOLdenHaWK3D, okay. Thanks.
[06:00] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, That is normall
[06:00] <wobblywu> cvd: try mount in terminal
[06:00] <dougb> wobblywu: i tried VLC, but it crashes when i load the DVD
[06:00] <plux> cvd: mount in a termianl
[06:00] <tiago_> hey kahrytan im back
[06:00] <_dan_> cvd u can mount .iso with mount -o loop bla.iso mountpoint
[06:00] <yigal> has anyone experienced a black screen where only the cursor is visible?  I get this when moving from virtual terminal to X11 or after a suspend.  Can anyone give me a reason for this and a possible solution?
[06:00] <dougb> kahrytan: i've installed everything i need
[06:00] <jscinoz> keypad, now rename it Azureus2.jar and do "sudo mv ./Azureus2.jar /usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar"
[06:00] <rom10> anybody help me with x10
[06:00] <_dan_> cvd and u can easily convert bin/cue to iso
[06:00] <cvd> .bin and the other images?
[06:00] <kahrytan> tiago_, You might like the fact that Gimp supports PS plugins.
[06:00] <shadeofgrey> i tghen connected to my wireless network, added myt password, did an apt-get update with a bunch of the default repos turned on and then started messing with the dual monitor gui settings system
[06:01] <wobblywu> yigal: possible reason is compiz, and solution is to disable compiz
[06:01] <jscinoz> keypad, then "sudo chown root.root /usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar" and start azureus
[06:01] <gOLdenHaWK3D> cvd: try gmountiso
[06:01] <dougb> it's the same green static with VLC
[06:01] <tiago_> kahrytan: yeah that is a great addition
[06:01] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, That GUI tool isn't very good :(
[06:01] <dougb> could it have something to do with compiz?
[06:01] <jscinoz> what front end for qemu would you guys recommened, qemu-launcher or qemulator?
[06:01] <shadeofgrey> next thing i know its gicing me an error saying that i can no longer change monitor settings and neither monitor will show the main menu...  i cant even get a terminal
[06:01] <Keypad> jscinoz: Cool, ill do that after it finishes downloading
[06:01] <jscinoz> keypad, tell me if it works or not
[06:01] <ozzyparrot> wow the gts ultra is about $880
[06:01] <cvd> and gmountcue
[06:02] <Keypad> jscinoz: Whats chown ?
[06:02] <tiago_> kahrytan: do you know any packages that can sync with pocketpc's running windows mobile? as i have 2 of these devices hooked up to my computer
[06:02] <kahrytan> !best | jscinoz
[06:02] <ubot3> jscinoz: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:02] <ztomic> Why would an upgrade to Gutsy change my screen resolution for the GDM login?
[06:02] <ebirtaid> !chown
[06:02] <ubot3> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:02] <nilson> like every time I try to boot up the process makes it to "Checking root file system" and runs fsck
[06:02] <wobblywu> ztomic: it seems to be a common thing, judging by the amount of times that's been asked/said today
[06:02] <shadeofgrey> butr its not like its that big a deal -- i can have the entirer system reinstalled in 40 minutes
[06:02] <nilson> but it seems to freeze up
[06:02] <jscinoz> Keypad, changeowner, when you download it it will be owned by you, it needs to be owned by root and in the group root
[06:02] <rom10> chan92 do you have the same probnlem
[06:02] <nilson> so after I turn it off/on 5 or 6 times itll boot up successfully
[06:03] <ztomic> wobblywu: how do you change it back?
[06:03] <nilson> why is it doing his
[06:03] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, No need you can fix it from the LiveCD or the recovery console
[06:03] <tomd123> #lfs
[06:03] <wobblywu> ztomic: that part I missed, sorry
[06:03] <shadeofgrey> but let me ask you soemthing...  once i turned on the restricted ATI driver should i have turned off the HAL?
[06:03] <kahrytan> tiago_,  you mean like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30936?
[06:03] <nilson> Why does it fsck every time I boot, and freeze
[06:03] <yigal> wobblywu: so I must disable compiz there is no way around this at present?
[06:03] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, No
[06:03] <nilson> I have to powercycle 5 or 6 times to get it to boot
[06:03] <ebirtaid> nilson fsck runs at each boot, dunno bout freezing
[06:03] <nilson> brand new install
[06:03] <shadeofgrey> Jordan_U but a reinsrtall guarantees i get all default settings back
[06:03] <wobblywu> yigal: if that's the cause of it, you definitely need to for now
[06:03] <rom10> anybody expert in XServer
[06:03] <wael95> how can i change the size of the partition in ubuntu 7.04??
[06:03] <wobblywu> yigal: after that you need to change your video card drivers, try the (crappy) official drivers
[06:04] <ebirtaid> wael gparted livecd
[06:04] <ztomic> How do you change the resolution for GDM login screen?
[06:04] <kahrytan> tiago_,  there is so many howtos in ubuntuforums, you can take days to read them all
[06:04] <ebirtaid> if it is your / partition
[06:04] <nilson> I feel like breaking things
[06:04]  * jscinoz installs winblows xp in qemu. Jscinoz feels unclean.
[06:04] <dougb> its working in vlc now, i changed the output to X11 instead of openGL
[06:04] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, It's just the GUI screens and graphics tool that screwed you up, all you need to do to fix it is use your backed up xorg.conf
[06:04] <jscinoz> nilson if you feel like breaking things then "sudo rm -rf /" :P
[06:04] <Jordan_U> !anyone | rom10
[06:04] <ubot3> rom10: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:04] <jscinoz> nilson, seriously dont though
[06:04] <shadeofgrey> okay but how do i do that?
[06:04] <phrost6> can you pass something on the grub command line to prevent the init system from loading modules
[06:05] <nilson> may as well
[06:05] <nilson> I cant get into the damn system
[06:05] <jscinoz> ...
[06:05] <jscinoz> ouch
[06:05] <jscinoz> what went wrong?
[06:05] <nilson> fsck freezes up every time i boot
[06:05] <phrost6> the initrd works fine but the system is crashing for some reason when upstart does loading hardware modules...
[06:05] <jscinoz> hmm
[06:05] <khin> hi, i just downloaded tetex for the purpose of viewing some .tex files. but how do i make it do this
[06:05] <jscinoz> nilson on what partition? home or root?
[06:05] <khin> anyone familiar w/ latex
[06:05] <nilson> so i have to turn it off a lot of times then by chance itll work once
[06:05] <nilson> root
[06:05] <tiago_> kahrytan: do you know if they can be synced with an outlook type package? callandar, contacts, notes, todo list?
[06:05] <jscinoz> nilson, gutsy or feisty?
[06:05] <tiago_> kahrytan: email*
[06:06] <nilson> gutsy
[06:06] <jscinoz> hmm
[06:06] <Jordan_U> shadeofgrey, Two ways, you can either fix it from the LiveCD, where you will also have the nice feature that you can be connected here while you do it :) or you can boot into recovery mode by pressing escape when you boot ( after choosing to boot Ubuntu )
[06:06] <kahrytan> tiago_, I dont know. i dont have a pocket pc
[06:06] <jscinoz> nilson, since you kept home on its own part, may as well clean reinstall gutsy and have it reformat /
[06:06] <nilson> no way dude
[06:06] <tiago_> kahrytan: ok thanks, im might have to do some investigation
[06:06] <nilson> I just installed it over like 4 hours tonight
[06:06] <nilson> and get wireless working
[06:06] <nilson> its a brand new instal
[06:07] <nilson> and home is not separate
[06:07] <pbx> is there an #ubuntu-drunk channel?
[06:07] <rom10> I am getting Error 104 when I run startx
[06:07] <iobelisk> Hi, Everytime I try install a log-in splash via splashscreen-manager, the window automatically closes, i have tried reinstalling the manager many times, any ideas how to fix this?
[06:07] <jscinoz> nilson, ouch
[06:07] <Jordan_U> nilson, What is the problem?
[06:07] <jscinoz> nilson, what did you do last thing before it broke?
[06:07] <kahrytan> tiago_,  about only thing I cant seem to find  is video editing
[06:07] <nilson> Jordan_U the damn fsck freezes up like every time I boot now
[06:08] <nilson> jscinoz: its been doing it
[06:08] <jscinoz> keypad, did it work?
[06:08] <jscinoz> nilson, doing what?
[06:08] <b0r3d> ey! why is eclipse3.3 not in Ubuntu's packages repository yet!
[06:08] <nilson> jscinoz: but usually it would boot after 2 or 3 power cycles
[06:08] <nilson> freezing up
[06:08] <linux__alien> i am using 7.10 and when it boots i get the message there are differences between the boot sector and back up.
[06:08] <Jordan_U> nilson, Ooh, not good, are you sure that your drive is not failing?
[06:08] <linux__alien> what do i do
[06:08] <nilson> thers nothing wrong with it
[06:08] <Madpilot> b0r3d, Ubuntu only does security updates between releases. New versions get to wait until the next Ubuntu release.
[06:08] <jscinoz> nilson, did it ever work properly? and if so, what was the last thing you did before it broke?
[06:09] <b0r3d> but gutsy just been released no?
[06:09] <tiago_> kahrytan: yeah thats another important one, and i dont think vitalization would offer enough performance, how ever it might be possible to run premier in wine?
[06:09] <kahrytan> hellllllllllllloooooooooo madpilot
[06:09] <whta> i just tried to install emerald and my compiz fusion stopped working. if i try to start it manually, it says XGL is not found.
[06:09] <nilson> disabled nvidia drivers
[06:09] <Madpilot> b0r3d, yes, but the freeze date for Gutsy was several weeks (at least) before the actual release
[06:09] <linux__alien> shall i disable the fsck for all my windows partitions?
[06:09] <Madpilot> kahrytan, hey
[06:09] <nilson> like I said it never worked right but it would boot after 2 or 3 tries usually
[06:09] <nilson> now it freezes every time
[06:10] <b0r3d> Madpilot, once I have eclipse3.2 installed, can i upgrade it to 3.3
[06:10] <jscinoz> nilson, no idea, i couldnt think of anyreason that would cause fsck to run and hang every startup (which would imply a corrupted partition)
[06:10] <Madpilot> b0r3d, not with Gutsy, not without going outside Ubuntu's repos
[06:10] <idiot> installing mod_perl?  apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 "following packages have unmet dependencies....libdevel-symdump-perl .. is not installable.  7.04 feisty...any suggestions welcome
[06:10] <kahrytan> tiago_,  Wine people say no
[06:10] <nilson> how long should fsck take to run
[06:10] <rom10> what is the reason for getting Fatal IO error 104 When I run Startx
[06:10] <Madpilot> nilson, depends on how large the partition is.
[06:11] <iobelisk> nilson, depends how big the partition is
[06:11] <nilson> its like 45 gb
[06:11] <pbx> Seems like there should be a whole separate compiz channel!
[06:11] <iobelisk> 10-15 minutes with a decent cpu
[06:11] <iobelisk> pbx, there is
[06:11] <cylent77_> pbx: there is
[06:11] <tiago_> kahrytan: i would be interested in getting vmware installed under linux for the purpose as i have a hacintosh image that i would like to test the performance of with out vista hogging all the resources
[06:11] <kahrytan> Madpilot,  trying to help tiago_  switch
[06:11] <nilson> maybe its not freezing then...
[06:12] <cylent77_> irc://freenode.net:compiz
[06:12] <iobelisk> pbx do join #compiz-fusion
[06:12] <kahrytan> tiago_,  do you have a rom image?
[06:12] <nilson> but I dont see HD activity
[06:12] <nilson> its just like sitting there
[06:12] <pbx> iobelisk, cylent77_ : I don't want to join it!
[06:12] <nilson> Checking root file system...
[06:12] <Jordan_U> nilson, fsck should definitely not be running every boot
[06:12] <tiago_> kahrytan: its a vmware image i created
[06:12] <nilson> fsck 1.40.2
[06:12] <nilson> I havent let it finish once
[06:12] <pbx> But maybe it should be in the topic
[06:12] <Jordan_U> nilson, Well you should have
[06:12] <nilson> I just turn it off when it stops at that point
[06:12] <kahrytan> tiago_,  you can run OS8.5 in Linux
[06:12] <tiago_> kahrytan: to be honest the biggest anoyance i have at the moment is not being able to run dual monitors, its been burning me up for days
[06:12] <nilson> it doesnt look like its going anywhere
[06:13] <nilson> the is no HD activity
[06:13] <Jordan_U> nilson, That is about the worst thing you could do
[06:13] <iobelisk> nilson, does your screen just simply go blank after booting the OS from grub?
[06:13] <Jordan_U> nilson, Though there should be HD activity
[06:13] <tiago_> kahrytan: by virtue of vitalization or some other means?
[06:13] <Keypad> jscinoz: It worked.
[06:13] <kahrytan> tiago_, virtualization
[06:13] <nilson> No the splash screen stops like 1/4 through and does nothing, so I switched vterms to see the verbose output and I see fsck 1.40.2
[06:13] <nilson> and nothing else
[06:13] <nilson> just sitting there
[06:14] <Jordan_U> nilson, Try booting without the "splash" parameter
[06:14] <iobelisk> nilson, well maybe it is trying to fix the fle system, there is a difference in time taken to check an otherwise healthy FS and fixing an FS
[06:14] <tiago_> kahrytan: i have 10.4.6 running under vmware, but i cant seem to find a vmware player.server compatible with 7.10 64bit :(
[06:14] <whta> all my visual effects just disappeared after i tried to install emerald.
[06:14] <nilson> iobelisk: there is no hard drive activity at all.
[06:14] <nilson> its not doing anything
[06:14] <nilson> its just sitting there
[06:14] <nilson> pissing me off
[06:15] <kahrytan> tiago_,  try pearpc?
[06:15] <jonfish> hey how do I change the video driver from command line???
[06:15] <tiago_> kahrytan: is that available for linux? =D
[06:15] <madman-help> hey guys
[06:15] <jonfish> what is the command? In mandrive I could do it using xdrake
[06:15] <Jordan_U> !xconfig | jonfish
[06:15] <ubot3> jonfish: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[06:15] <madman-help> quick question, how do i read the uuid of a drive?
[06:16] <Keypad> jscinoz: Thanks for your help, :)
[06:16] <Jordan_U> !uuid | madman-help
[06:16] <ubot3> madman-help: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:16] <madman-help> ah, blkid thats it
[06:16] <madman-help> thanks a bunch Jordan_U
[06:16] <iobelisk> nilson, pop in the live cd, change root, try editing to boot without splash ?
[06:16] <whta> Why would compiz stop working after trying to install emerald (and then removing it)?
[06:16] <Jordan_U> madman-help, p
[06:16] <jscinoz> keypad, so its all good now?
[06:16] <Jordan_U> madman-help, np :)
[06:16] <jonfish> thanks
[06:16] <kahrytan> tiago_,  oops.for ppc
[06:16] <Keypad> jscinoz: Yeah as far as I can tell ^_^
[06:16] <rom10> UBot3 What is the reason for getting Error 104 when I run startx
[06:17] <nilson> see now this time it booted straight up
[06:17] <nilson> its so confusing
[06:17] <jonfish> oh and why did I Lose the restart and shutdown option from my power button??
[06:17] <nilson> sometimes it works fine
[06:17] <Madpilot> rom10, you do know that ubot3 is a bot, right?
[06:17] <jscinoz> keypad, did you end up using <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS>?
[06:17] <nilson> and sometimes fsck runs and hangs
[06:17] <jonfish> has that happened to anyone else?
[06:17] <nilson> Ill just never turn it off ever
[06:17] <Jordan_U> nilson, Is the only reason why you don't want to install because you will have to get your wireless working again?
[06:17] <whta> why would xgl suddenly stop working?
[06:17] <tiago_> kahrytan: im thinking of installing it naively and than running ubuntu with in it or just gnome and see if its posible to install compiz-fusion, and then virtualize vista, then i would have all os's at my disposal
[06:17] <rom10> sorry abt that
[06:17] <Jordan_U> whta, Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[06:18] <iobelisk> nilson, well i think you could just turn fsck off.. not a good idea but i thnk you could do that
[06:18] <nilson> Ther's the whole issue of it taking a long time.
[06:18] <kahrytan> tiago_,  if you really want to run osx, just dual boot it
[06:18] <nilson> I dont have much.
[06:18] <iobelisk> nilson, what is the problem in backing up data and reinstalling? it takes less than 20 minutes to do an ubuntu install
[06:18] <tiago_> kahrytan: i have the parition set up and ready for the tri-boot as soon as i have downloaded the newer iso
[06:18] <whta> jordan_u, i just checked and somehow i don't. but i JUST reinstalled from scratch and it all worked fine until i tried to install emerald at which point it all broke
[06:19] <Jordan_U> nilson, Now that you know to use the native drivers instead of ndiswrapper wireless should be easy
[06:19] <Jordan_U> whta, What GPU?
[06:19] <kahrytan> tiago_,  cuz you have the osx86project to help you with it
[06:19] <tiago_> kahrytan: what i supose im really looking for is an alchemical marridge to occur between all platforms, however this might not prove as virtuous as it sounds in imagination land