[06:23] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgrt7XZ-BQw
[07:22] <solarcloud_AFK> Morning .. http://bit.ly/UOeHDh
[07:44] <knightwise> morning
[08:21] <andylockran> hey all
[08:22] <andylockran> anyone here run a company that can give me some Joomla support - 3 days per month?
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Almost certainly Andy
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: ^^
[08:23] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: can I have a contact nunmer Alan?
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> sure: Office: 0844 3576000.
[08:24] <andylockran> You in the office now?
[08:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> andylockran: You tried Yopla ?
[08:30] <solarcloud_3scrn> scrub that... soz
[08:54] <andylockran> reading through the man page of automysqlbackup - any suggestions to have it mysqldump from mulitple mysql instances?
[08:54] <andylockran> in ubuntu, it seems you're only allowed to use /etc/default/automysqlbackup as the config
[08:54] <andylockran> whereas I have multiple configs in /etc/automysqlbackup/$host.config that I'd like to use.
[08:55] <diplo> I've always wrote my own andylockran, can take a look if you like ?
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: I've hacked the automysqlbackup to do what I need. It's only bash ;-)
[08:56] <diplo> I have a very simple shell script that connects and dumps from each of our customers web hosts
[09:07] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah, I should hack it up.
[09:10] <popey> morning
[09:30] <timp> s
[09:32] <knightwise> s!
[09:33] <iahmad> Hi David
[09:38]  * popey tickles GingerDog
[10:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[10:17] <knightwise> hey JamesTait
[10:19] <JamesTait> knightwise, o/
[10:22] <knightwise> hey michelle_ !
[10:24] <DJones> Would anybody recommend an online radio app for ubuntu, ideally I'd like one that will let me add internet radio stations and have buttons for presets for favourite stations
[10:27] <knightwise> I use spotify to be honest
[10:27] <knightwise> not bad actually
[10:27] <knightwise> but thats not what you are lookin for i'm afraid
[10:28] <mungbean> online app? or app for online radio?
[10:28] <DJones> app for online radio, i want things like radio 4 & various local radios as presets
[10:29] <mungbean> don't they all do it? banshee, amarok etc
[10:29] <mungbean> i used to listen to internet radio on amarok
[10:29] <knightwise> mungbean: indeed.
[10:29] <DJones> I didn't even consider those
[10:29] <knightwise> DJones: If you have a mobile device I would give Stitcher a go.
[10:30] <mungbean> clementine is my preferred audio player app over the last couple of years
[10:30] <DJones> +1 for clementine
[10:30] <DJones> Although I thought it just did lastfm streaming for radio
[10:32] <DJones> Just having a look at Radio Tray
[10:32] <mungbean> http://radiotray.sourceforge.net/
[10:32] <mungbean> yeah lol
[10:32] <mungbean> just foound it
[10:34] <popey> i use tune in radio on ios and android for radio stuff
[10:35] <popey> it's a really great radio app
[10:35] <popey> it's my alarm clock too, it can wake up to the radio (any stream you like) and also record shows
[10:35] <directhex> i wonder whether WP8's hardware certification requires an FM radio the way WP7 did, for no good reason
[10:35] <DJones> I use that on android, just hoping I can find a decent desktop app
[10:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:40] <knightwise> ²hey brobostigon
[10:40] <knightwise> you're up late :p
[10:40] <knightwise> its allmost noon
[10:40] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[10:41] <brobostigon> knightwise: remeber, you are an hour ahead of us. :)
[10:43] <knightwise> ah yes :) I always tend to forget that one over here
[10:44] <brobostigon> :)
[10:46] <dwatkins> remember folks, if you're going to cycle to work along the canal in the snow, make sure your panniers are waterproof - I fell in tiday :)
[10:46] <dwatkins> *today
[10:47] <popey> you fell in the canal?!
[10:47] <brobostigon> ouchie, :(
[10:47]  * directhex stays at home in the warm
[10:47] <mungbean> oof
[10:48] <dwatkins> popey: yep, was a bit concerned for a moment that I might not get out, but was fine
[10:48] <dwatkins> my phones are drying
[10:49] <popey> dwatkins reminds me of https://twitter.com/Uk_Sniper1/status/292321931183652865
[10:49] <dwatkins> popey: haha
[10:49] <dwatkins> I hope the dog was ok
[10:50] <dwatkins> https://twitter.com/glymph/status/293671952458076161
[10:50] <dwatkins> that's me
[10:51] <Seeker`> dwatkins: how deep was it?
[10:51] <dwatkins> Seeker`: not sure, I couldn't feel the bottom
[10:52] <mungbean> which canal?
[10:52] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Canal_(Scotland)
[10:52] <mungbean> sounds cold
[10:52] <dwatkins> haha, it's only 5 feet deep :D
[10:52] <Seeker`> Probably warmer than the surrounding air, unless it was frozen over :P
[10:52] <Laney> O_O
[10:52] <dwatkins> mungbean: surprisingly it wasn't that cold, despite other parts of the canal being iced over
[10:54] <dwatkins> I think I was about here: http://goo.gl/maps/YSrqz
[10:54] <dwatkins> it was almost worth it for the look on my boss's face, though
[10:55] <dwatkins> I calmly told her how I'd fallen in and she couldn't believe it, especially since I was standing in front of her in dry clothes (they'd been in the pannier which hadn't gone under water)
[10:55] <mungbean> cycling naked again...
[10:55] <dwatkins> haha
[10:56]  * dwatkins makes a "keep calm and cycle on" poster
[10:57] <mungbean> keep dry and stay on the path
[11:33] <michelle_> Hey knightwise :)
[11:35] <davidmarais> can anybody help me? My computer crashed and now I have lost all my IRC channels.  Lol :)
[13:46] <Laney> wtf
[13:46] <Laney> *yesterday* I bought a subscription to the Guardian crossword app
[13:46] <Laney> today: Unfortunately, since introducing this subscription model, the uptake has been less than we would have hoped. As a result, we have taken the
[13:46] <Laney> +difficult decision to end our work on and support for our Android crosswords app.
[13:47] <popey> haha
[13:50] <Laney> perhaps it has something to do with the fact that there was no in-app indication that there even was a trial period
[13:50] <Laney> so after two weeks the crosswords just stop coming with no message to tell you why
[13:53] <gord> aren't there thousands of pre-existing crossword apps?
[13:53] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello just going on lunch bbiab
[13:57]  * popey pokes jnick_tait with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU
[13:58] <ali1234> lol eraserhead
[13:59] <jnick_tait> mr popey, you were very correct and i was very kerrong... in my defence i would say that i was think of this curiousity.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpgyVxP8OG8
[13:59] <popey> :D
[13:59] <Laney> oh gord
[14:00] <popey> ok thats odd
[14:08] <jnick_tait> popey, i thought it might appeal to your sense of the not quite right
[14:17] <directhex> apparently adding openjdk-7-jre to an ubuntu iso makes it not fit on a cd.
[14:18] <d3ngar> That's very sad...
[14:19] <popey> it doesnt fit on a cd anyway
[14:20] <directhex> if i pulled openjdk and crashplan back off, it'd fit
[14:20] <directhex> removing qt helps
[14:20] <knightwise> Ick !
[14:20] <knightwise> Java !
[14:23]  * knightwise is wrestling with the current java expliot at work
[14:24] <directhex> knightwise, yeah, i know, java is basically worse than hitler. sadly, that's business for you
[14:29] <knightwise> LOL
[14:29] <directhex> i don't think i can free up another ~45 meg to make this fit on a CD.
[14:31] <knightwise> directhex: dump Java :) be nice to the users
[14:32] <directhex> knightwise, do you have a non-java version of CrashPlan's backup client?
[14:35] <knightwise> directhex: I feel your pain
[14:42] <dwatkins> directhex: I would like to see that, as it slows my Mac at work down
[14:55]  * d3ngar actually likes Java a lot
[14:58] <directhex> sadly, java is still the top choice for cross-platform Enterprise(tm) software
[14:58] <dwatkins> indeed, directhex
[14:58] <d3ngar> Ys
[14:59] <directhex> doesn't make it any less bad than hitler though
[14:59] <d3ngar> I'm no developer, but in our company I do the occasional bit of deskopt app
[14:59] <dwatkins> that escalated fast
[15:00] <d3ngar> directhex: as a Jew I don't like the Hitler comparison, I know you are trying to be quirky, but it's not that great
[15:00] <d3ngar> And when I do need to write something that works on all platforms, I generally like using Java
[15:01] <d3ngar> I quite like Python as a language, but you have to install all sorts of additional things to make the same programme run on different machines
[15:01] <d3ngar> Not so good
[15:01] <d3ngar> Java is better in that regard
[15:03] <directhex> java's fine as long as you don't expect end-users to interact with it (since java apps always feel extremely heavy) and have buckets of ram lying around (since java's ram consumption is extraordinarily high). funnily enough it's fast, for pure cpu-bound code.
[15:05] <d3ngar> directhex: agreed. Which they would have done something about Java's extensive RAM usage, but I guess it's what it is.
[15:05] <Laney> bah
[15:05] <Laney> always freezing when returning from lunch
[15:05] <directhex> quit moaning. i'm still snowed in
[15:06] <dwatkins> Laney: I refuse to accept any complaints about it being cold, I fell into the canal this morning on my bike ;)
[15:06] <Laney> heh
[15:06] <Laney> how was the rest of the journey?
[15:07] <dwatkins> wet
[15:07] <Laney> 14.6° in here
[15:07] <dwatkins> 12 parsecs here
[15:07] <Laney> actually that's downstairs, colder up 'ere
[15:07] <dwatkins> oh sorry, that's degrees, that is pretty cold
[15:08] <dwatkins> parts of the canal were frozen
[15:08] <Laney> nice
[15:08] <Laney> did the electronics survive?
[15:08] <dwatkins> one phone did, I think - the other is still drying
[15:08] <dwatkins> thankfully I didn't have my iPad nor laptop with me (don't normally take them on the bike anyway)
[15:10] <Laney> I wonder if my waterproof panniers would survive a dunk like that
[15:10] <dwatkins> Laney: I hadn't done mine up correctly, big mistake
[15:11] <dwatkins> they hold water very well, though.... once it's got in
[15:11] <Laney> doh
[15:11] <Laney> I know a guy who got hugged off his bike into a canal by a drunk chap once
[15:11] <dwatkins> how mean
[15:12] <Laney> it was a brompton as well, which I bet made it look even more amusing
[15:12]  * Laney looks at sladen
[15:40] <einonm> Hmm. Looks like Ubuntu got a +1 due to Fedora getting a -1 from Alan Cox https://plus.google.com/u/0/111104121194250082892/posts/aCiB7kTLXTh
[15:57] <Seeker`> popey: that 1080p phone definitely has a good GPU :D
[18:03] <daftykin1> omg @ client running a .exe from a .zip on a spam email FedEx fake
[18:03] <daftykin1> =/
[18:08] <solarcloud_3scrn> ❄ Here is a snow flake , do you have any where you are ?? ❄ ❄❄  ❄❄❄  ❄❄❄❄    ❄❄❄❄❄    ❄❄❄❄❄❄     ❄❄❄❄❄❄     ❄❄ ❄❄ ❄❄ ❄
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> ⛄
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> ⛇
[18:14] <davmor2> a +alancox comment :D Unity seems to be "mostly harmless" - not quite my choice of desktop but not aimed at me either
[19:04] <Azelphur> Seems I'm still getting this gedit issue, it's odd nobody else seems affected, I did a fresh install to 12.10 and it's still happening :s
[19:05] <Azelphur> that is, minimise gedit -> you no longer have a text cursor
[19:05] <daftykins> XD
[19:05] <daftykins> carat plays hide and seek?
[19:06] <popey> a text cursor?
[19:06] <popey> how are you minimising gedit and where dont you see the text cursor?
[19:07] <Azelphur> I'll make a video to be more descriptive, one second
[19:13] <Azelphur> ah, more interesting, it seems to only happen when I'm doing a mouse gesture, perhaps it's related to me holding middle click while minimising
[19:14] <Azelphur> yea this seems fairly reproducible, hold down middle click and use a keycombo to minimise gedit (usually alt+F9)
[19:14] <Azelphur> and now you have no text cursor, enjoy xD
[19:15] <Azelphur> I bet someone can replicate that now I understand what causes it
[19:17] <Azelphur> popey: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nn3qu5e4cjf8s1w/2013-01-22%2019.08.12.mp4?m video uploaded
[19:21] <popey> alt+f9 doesn't minimise here
[19:25] <Azelphur> popey: yea, I've had it set in compiz for a few releases, I guess they changed it at some point
[19:26] <Azelphur> I dunno what it's set to now, it'll be in the general tab of ccsm I think
[19:27] <Azelphur> just thought, I can easily try and replicate this on my laptop, see if I get anywhere
[19:36] <Azelphur> nope, gah. Can't reproduce it on my laptop
[20:15] <daftykins> the voice of Azelphur :O
[20:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:16] <Azelphur> since it seems to just be a bug with my weird setup, I found a workaround
[20:16] <daftykins> Azelphur: curiously it appears to have left before the window even 'peels' away
[20:16] <Azelphur> fun
[20:16] <daftykins> unless that's just how window management goes, sorta 'animations' stop before the redraw
[20:17] <daftykins> Azelphur: what do you mouse middle click for?
[20:18] <Azelphur> daftykins: initiate mouse gesture
[20:18] <daftykins> what kind of things do you do with that?
[20:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2013/Jan/2013-01-22-201924_800x1405_scrot.png
[20:20] <daftykins> my word
[20:20] <daftykins> but keyboard shortcuts :'(
[20:20] <Azelphur> I have keyboard shortcuts too, but I often have my hand on the mouse and a gesture is pretty easy
[20:22] <daftykins> ah
[20:22] <Azelphur> this is why I miss the compiz fire plugin though, it was set up with easystroke to display a trail on my mouse when performing a gesture
[20:22] <Azelphur> which was awesome. :<
[20:24] <daftykins> :(
[20:24] <daftykins> i remember a coursemate at Uni using some gesture firefox add-on
[20:24] <daftykins> though i didn't see that being easier to draw a line to go 'back' versus hitting the hardware mouse button, if you have one
[20:25] <Azelphur> yea, it shines with things like close/maximise/minimise
[20:25] <Azelphur> as those buttons are annoyingly small
[20:33] <popey> \o/ my hand never leaves the keyboard for the mouse ☺
[20:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:34] <daftykins> ^
[20:34] <popey> i use alt+space, n  for minimise, and alt+space, x for maximise
[20:34] <daftykins> i try to avoid mousing
[20:34] <popey> have done for many many years
[20:55] <constrictor> I am getting unable to find suitable address error when trying to mount a NAS share any help ?
[20:56] <daftykins> what's your mount command?
[20:57] <constrictor> sudo mount -t cifs -o user=administrator,password=mypassword //<IP_ADDRESS>/share /home/kwabena/Netdrive
[20:57] <popey> has the IP of the NAS changed>?
[20:57] <popey> that IP doesn't look static
[20:58] <constrictor> the ip is the same
[20:58] <popey> so you can ping it?
[20:58] <daftykins> are those slashes right for the device side 0o
[20:58] <constrictor> yep I am getting 100% responses
[20:58] <popey> ya
[21:00] <Azelphur> another thing for the Azelphur broke it list, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2013/Jan/2013-01-22-174340_582x712_scrot.png
[21:00] <daftykins> XD
[21:01] <daftykins> i prefer to idle on IRC and let others trawl that abomination of a timewasting device, linking me to the goodies instead
[21:02] <popey> heh
[21:03] <brobostigon> sorry, but what is the syntax, to pipe the output from a program into pastebinit ?
[21:04] <popey> foo | pastebinit
[21:04] <brobostigon> thank you popey
[21:04] <constrictor> anyway thanks guys, I got in through http, configured ftp and accessed it through there
[21:05] <daftykins> 0o
[21:05] <daftykins> nothin' like givin' up on your problem
[21:06] <brobostigon> popey: thats giving me error, "You are trying to send an empty document, exiting."
[21:07] <popey> your program isn't outputting anything to stdout
[21:07] <daftykins> brobostigon: > it to a file and check
[21:07] <brobostigon> popey: it is output form webcam, v4l2 errors.
[21:09] <brobostigon> daftykins: let me try that, and pastebinit in reverse.
[21:16] <solarcloud_3scrn> Aloha, Hi there  G+comm very active today .. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/Google%20Plus%20%26%20G%2Bcomm%20very%20active%20today.png
[21:17] <solarcloud_3scrn> Anyone checked their GPlus lately ??
[21:18] <brobostigon> http://pastebin.com/nd0D9Ypz thats the error i am getting,
[21:22] <solarcloud_3scrn> brobostigon: Can't help you , but nice blog all the same :D http://blog.taylorworld.me.uk/
[21:24] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: thats my mums, for her toy bear.
[21:25] <solarcloud_3scrn> Oh, sorry , thought was your bog, oh well... nice bit I'm looking at next on #aspie ??
[21:26] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: at next on ?
[21:28] <solarcloud_3scrn> righht, doesn't sound like a good link..so I won't click it.. #aspietalks stats  ...
[21:30] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: thats just another irc channel i go to, they wanted channel statistics, let the ones i do for here, as they asked me, because i also have aspergers.
[21:30] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: ie, aspie being shortform for aspergers.
[21:30] <brobostigon> or someone with aspergers.
[21:31] <solarcloud_3scrn> I well aware; as I run the #wrongplanet G+comm. http://goo.gl/N7Lgq
[21:31] <solarcloud_3scrn> ** I'm
[21:31] <brobostigon> ah.
[21:33] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: do yu have it yourself?
[21:33] <solarcloud_3scrn> once, but now I do porridge ..
[21:34] <brobostigon> that isnt possible, you will aspergers/autism all your life, it will always be there.
[21:34] <brobostigon> have*
[21:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> Well my medical records said I had an asperger incident .. as I paid £50 for them ..and scanned them in .. so maybe the law is different here..
[21:35] <solarcloud_3scrn> you are not aspie all the time IMHO
[21:36] <popey> brobostigon: so the webcam was working but now isnt? what changed?
[21:37] <brobostigon> popey: i havent changed anything, that i know of, i have just changed the quality etc abit in webcam's config file.
[21:37] <popey> is there another thing holding the webcam open?
[21:37] <popey> like cheese or another webcam process running in screen?
[21:37] <brobostigon> popey: not that i know of, let me run lsof on it.
[21:38] <brobostigon> lsof returns nothing.
[21:39] <popey> what type of webcam is it?
[21:40] <brobostigon> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:089d Logitech, Inc. QuickCam E2500 series
[21:41] <popey> bummer
[21:41] <brobostigon> ?
[21:41] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[21:42] <solarcloud_3scrn> Will the Logitech 9000 make any difference ??
[21:45] <brobostigon> solarcloud_3scrn: not a clue, dont have it.
[21:48] <brobostigon> popey: ie, there is some existing issue?
[21:52] <popey> brobostigon: pass
[21:53] <brobostigon> popey: ok, you bummer just gave me an impression, you knew more. :)
[21:53] <brobostigon> your*
[21:54] <brobostigon> sorry,
[21:55] <brobostigon> i did find https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/326674
[21:57] <brobostigon> wrong thing entirly.
[22:03] <dwatkins> popey: http://imgur.com/gallery/mDDF0
[22:03] <dwatkins> (cat-related)


[06:13] <duflu> RAOF: Can we kill max_simultaneous_outputs, or does it have a future?
[06:13] <RAOF> I believe I've already answered this :)
[06:13]  * duflu looks
[06:13] <RAOF> It's a *shrug*
[06:14] <RAOF> It's information that's easy to provide, but it's not easy for a client to use.
[06:14] <duflu> RAOF: I mean https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/fix-1661163/+merge/316307
[06:15] <RAOF> Hm.
[06:16] <RAOF> The deprecation message is incorrect, but I'm not aghast at the function being deprecated.
[06:16] <duflu> I know, was just a suggestion
[06:16] <duflu> We could declare it deprecated and then decide to keep it
[06:54] <duflu> RAOF: OK then, a simpler question: Are 'cards' a dead concept?
[06:54] <RAOF> Yes
[06:54] <duflu> I thought so, but max_simultaneous_outputs depends on them
[06:54] <RAOF> In our current implementation, yes.
[06:54] <duflu> Then again, so does everything loosely
[06:56] <RAOF> Again, yes :)
[06:56] <RAOF> It's possible that cards will be exposed again in the client interface, but we've never ever exposed more than one.
[06:56] <RAOF> Which is why they're not useful.
[06:57] <RAOF> That said, prime support will suddenly mean that sometimes we *do* have more than one card.
[06:57] <RAOF> But the first go at that will not really expose that.
[06:59] <duflu> RAOF: Hmm.... seems my best option is to just improve that deprecation comment
[06:59] <duflu> Since the logic to implement it was deleted
[07:00] <RAOF> It'd be pretty easy to re-add that logic, but *shrug*.
[07:01] <duflu> RAOF: It was part of a larger code deletion (I just bisected it). Too hard
[07:01] <duflu> for now
[07:02] <RAOF> Oh, I mean you could easily re-add logic that would support it.
[07:04] <RAOF> But, again, shrug.
[07:04] <RAOF> Also, EOD!
[07:05] <duflu> Kay, bye
[10:33] <dandrader> AlbertA, around?
[10:35] <dandrader> alan_g, using the new "mir_window_spec_set_cursor_name() && mir_window_apply_spec()" API doesn't trigger mir::scene::SurfaceObserver::cursor_image_set_to as the deprecated API "mir_cursor_configuration_from_name() && mir_window_configure_cursor" does
[10:35] <dandrader> alan_g, What should I be listenting to on the server side now?
[10:37] <alan_g> dandrader: I would expect that to work. Possibly a Mir bug.
[10:38] <dandrader> alan_g, ok, will report then
[10:43] <dandrader> alan_g, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1663197
[10:43] <alan_g> dandrader: ack
[14:33] <alan_g> A question to ponder: https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/miral-toolkit-dev/+merge/316827/comments/825816
[14:39] <elopio> kgunn_: AlbertA: hey, can you please check for my email in your inbox? I think you are sending me to the spam :'(
[14:56] <AlbertA> dandrader: here.. let me check the frontend
[14:56] <AlbertA> elopio: oh I was just waiting for kgunn to answer sorry :)
[15:07] <elopio> AlbertA: he seems to be missing in action. But anyway, the ideal was to have you both to talk about the work you have been doing.
[15:07] <elopio> AlbertA: can you join us on Friday next week?
[15:09] <AlbertA> elopio: I can , I believe kgunn_ is on vacation today
[15:09] <kgunn_> elopio: i'm here...busy
[15:09] <kgunn_> otp
[15:13] <kgunn_> ah...demos, thank you AlbertA
[15:29] <dandrader> AlbertA, turns out to be a bug in miral
[15:29] <dandrader> AlbertA, will try out your qtubuntu branch again once the fix is available
[15:30] <AlbertA> dandrader: cool thanks
[15:33] <elopio> AlbertA: awesome! I'll send you the invite, and more details next week.
[16:23] <alan_g> dandrader: confirmed a Mir bug - aiming to get fix into 26.1
[16:23] <dandrader> alan_g, ok


[16:36] <smoser> rbasak: could you import pulseaudio ?
[16:42] <smoser> and then further... is there a current plan to import the world?
[17:02] <sarnold> I think I heard that imports eat enough that it's going to be an 'on-demand' kind of thing for a while
[17:10] <smoser> i don't know how you can do development without it.
[17:14] <Fatal_Sushi> what's this nonsense?
[17:30] <sarnold> smoser: that's awesome to hear
[17:39] <rbasak> smoser: pulseaudio is already imported? (Very nearly) all of main should be there.
[17:40] <rbasak> Importing the world is blocked on sorting out some performance improvements, more space on git.l.n, and sorting the applied branches/tags out. But it's the next major thing on my list.
[18:23] <smoser> hmm.. wonder what i did wrong.
[18:26] <smoser> my scripts needed updating for new url format (without usd-import-team)
[18:26] <smoser> thanks. sorry.


[00:25] <jrwren> not just arm, but armv6 hf. if you ignore rpi, its a super rare instruction set.
[00:25] <jrwren> i've never heard of flash player arm
[01:47] <brousch> Today at GRDevDay there were 2 people from Detroit looking for a Python user group
[02:23] <jrwren> huh, interesting. I wonder if they ever went to michipug
[13:42] <cmaloney> Morining
[13:42] <cmaloney> fuck dst
[15:06] <rick_h__> lol
[15:06] <rick_h__> morning and such
[17:17] <jrwren> f-dst 4 sure
[18:15] <jrwren> cmaloney: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/5488248648.html
[18:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: Nice, but I already have two of them. :)
[18:44] <cmaloney> I think we only have one 1571
[18:45] <cmaloney> Honestly the 128 is an impressive machine
[18:45] <cmaloney> I don't think it got nearly as much attention as it should have
[18:45] <cmaloney> it's three machines
[19:57] <jrwren> it was terrible compared to amiga though. I guess it was 1/5 the price, and that makes it awesome.
[22:05] <mrgoodcat> i forgot who plays go here aside from cmaloney and brousch but did any of you watch the alphago-lee sedol games?
[22:41] <cmaloney> I stayed up for the first one, but only managed to make it half-way through
[22:41] <cmaloney> haven't watched the rest
[22:41] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: ^^


[11:37] <guiverc> 19.10 live test; shouldn't CTRL+ALT+T still open a xfce4-terminal ?
[11:37] <guiverc> (it's doing nothing for me)
[12:08] <Spass[m]> is Super+T working?
[12:20] <guiverc> sorry Spass[m], I use an old model m keyboard, no super key
[12:22] <guiverc> i'll try it on another box that has a 35 year younger keyboard...
[12:27] <guiverc> Spass[m], on second box; ctrl+alt+T does nothing,  super+t also does nothing; then i loaded `xev` & can see it detect keystrokes though
[12:34] <Spass[m]> hmm, maybe it's related to this? https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52644#p52644
[12:34] <Spass[m]> guiverc: do you have libexo-1-0 installed?
[12:35] <guiverc> will look..
[12:37] <guiverc> dpkg -l responds 'ii  ..' so yep  (box is in another room)
[12:48] <guiverc> Spass[m], i just had bug 1821652 again, so ran the command Theo said to fix my screens (`XFSETTINGSD_DEBUG=1 xfsettingsd --replace --no-daemon` to gain debug info, which also fixes my screen issue) and NOW CTRL+ALT+T works too ??!!
[12:49] <guiverc> super+T is working too !
[12:53] <guiverc> do you want a bug report over ctrl+alt+f/super+t or can I ignore?
[12:57] <guiverc> s/ctrl+alt+f/ctrl+alt+t/ ^
[20:12] <Unit193> guiverc: xfsettingsd is what interprets those keystrokes to open the terminal, so if it wasn't running (or running properly) then launching/replacing it would indeed fix it.
[21:10] <brainwash> guiverc: did you actually check if all other keybinds are working?
[21:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: We going all in this round, xfwm4 and xfce4-session too? :3
[21:15] <guiverc> Unit193, thanks, brainwash not that i can recall. i just woke up, so i'll endeavour to look in a few hours
[21:30] <bluesabre> Unit193: you betcha, we're going for it all
[21:30] <Unit193> :3
[22:38] <guiverc> brainwash, the keybindings (those tried) all work after xfsettings command is executed; but NOT before [xfset..] on d780 (optiplex) box
[22:38] <Unit193> So, why isn't xfsettingsd starting with the session, I wonder..
[22:39] <guiverc> i'll boot & play with the thumbdrive (daily) on other boxes..
[22:39] <brainwash> Unit193: or why is crashing/hanging
[22:41] <brainwash> I don't think that anything changed recently, so the daily iso should still be mostly 19.04
[22:41] <brainwash> well
[22:41] <brainwash> -settings should be new
[22:42] <brainwash> just remembered that
[22:42] <brainwash> 4.13.4 -> 4.13.5
[22:46] <guiverc> fyi: another box can't use ctrl+alt+t  (i can't try super bindings sorry; another 80s model m keyboard)
[22:48] <brainwash> there should be other keybinds which don't use the super key
[22:48] <guiverc> i'll look.
[22:48] <brainwash> print key for xfce4-screenshooter I think
[22:50] <guiverc> nah, ctrl-esc, alt+fn not doing anything, and no prtscr does nothing
[22:51] <brainwash> xfsettingsd process is present?
[22:54] <guiverc> if i execute the xfsett... command all keys work
[22:55] <guiverc> (i've switched to another box; that's in this room!)
[22:55] <brainwash> you mentioned that already
[22:56] <guiverc> nah it was a different box yes, but another box in another room.
[22:57] <guiverc> NOTE: this box the keybinding work on boot!
[22:57] <guiverc> (the first three were all dell optiplex's, c2d & c2q's, this is later i5)
[22:57] <brainwash> did you test with the 19.04 iso yet?
[22:59] <Unit193> guiverc: Can you see if the process was running but not functioning, or whatnot?  Also, ~/.xsession-errors?
[23:09] <guiverc> found 19.04 daily (20190416) & keybindings WORK as booted (prtscr, ctrl+alt+T)
[23:10] <guiverc> (i was looking for thumbdrive to write to, that 19.04 was already on drive so used that)
[23:11] <guiverc> ps:  that was tested on first box I had issues with; c2d d755(-8)
[23:17] <guiverc-unreg> cat .xsession-errors |pastebinit -->  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SrFxVJxPSW/
[23:20] <guiverc-unreg> ps -elf |grep xf |pastebinit --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SNZKntRPVs/
[23:20] <guiverc-unreg>    , sorry Unit193 not sure what check you want me to perform
[23:22] <Unit193> Huh, I don't see anything in .xsession-errors that'd account for that.


[23:04] <Zaliek> So in 22.04 `systemd-resolve --status` changed to `resovlectl status`
[23:04] <Zaliek> But resolvectl is giving me a gibberish DNS server
[23:04] <Zaliek> DNS Servers: <IP_ADDRESS> fe80::216:3eff:fe5a:d03c%22037
[23:05] <Zaliek> Is this a bug? Some weird IPv6 format?
[23:10] <bahamat> The part after the % is the interface name.
[23:11] <bahamat> You need that on link-local interfaces when there's more than one interface up.
[23:20] <Zaliek> I was creating a firewall rule to allow traffic to the DNS servers but it doesn't like that syntax
[23:21] <bahamat> You don't need to include the %<int> part when creating a firewall rule.
[23:22] <Zaliek> Ah ok. Thank you


[13:27] <pavlushka> a more productive year to ZA  :)
[13:27] <pavlushka> ahoy!
[13:32] <Kilos> ty pavlushka and the same there lad
[13:45] <Kilos> i go nap the avy away
[13:45] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[13:45] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[13:46] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[13:46] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[15:25] <superfly> Kilos: but, I'm always well behaved!
[17:49] <smile> hi :p
[18:30] <Langjan> Hi Kilos and everyone else
[18:30] <Maaz> Langjan: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell langjan that battery link sounds good but costly" 21 hours, 24 minutes and 8 seconds ago
[18:31] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[18:32] <Langjan> You ok Kilos
[18:32] <Langjan> ?
[18:32] <Kilos> i just woke up more tired than when i lay down
[18:32] <Langjan> Ai
[18:32] <Kilos> im ok yes just head thumping
[18:33] <Kilos> i carried some water today
[18:33] <Langjan> Eina, jammer broer!
[18:33] <Kilos> 15 litres water
[18:33] <Kilos> hehe im alive man
[18:33] <Langjan> You have a water supply prob?
[18:34] <Kilos> no i bathed in water with 1/2 cup of epsom salts in, and didnt want to waste the epsom salt so manually emptied the bath for the plants
[18:34] <Kilos> grapes especially
[18:34] <Kilos> they too sour
[18:35] <Kilos> epsom salts is wonderful stuff
[18:35] <Langjan> sour grapes!
[18:35] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:35] <Langjan> Just to let you know everything is working this side
[18:35] <Kilos> epsom salts sweetens any fruit
[18:36] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:36] <Langjan> Oh interesting!
[18:36] <Kilos> you came for coffee only
[18:36] <Langjan> Guess why? Nor kde...
[18:36] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:36] <Langjan> thks for the message
[18:36] <Kilos> you always welcome
[18:36] <Kilos> even head improving now
[18:37] <Langjan> I have been pondering that battery thing for a long time
[18:37] <Kilos> yes there are batteries lying everywhere
[18:37] <Langjan> Ons lappie battery with extended life will pay for it twice
[18:37] <Kilos> yes it will
[18:38] <Langjan> have been googleing for negative report and found nothing
[18:38] <Kilos> great
[18:38] <Kilos> its like R280 isnt it
[18:38] <Langjan> Prices vary a lot, they start at 47 dollars, then 37 and then
[18:39] <Langjan> 27
[18:39] <Langjan> its about R400
[18:39] <Kilos> that 1/4 of my pension
[18:39] <Kilos> oh more even
[18:39] <Langjan> and half the price of a lappie battery
[18:39] <Kilos> ai
[18:40] <Langjan> and 30% of a car battery
[18:40] <Kilos> yes thats why i didnt get one in oz
[18:40] <Langjan> one what in oz?
[18:40] <Langjan> car, lapie or battery?
[18:40] <Kilos> i was gonna buy a lappie battery there
[18:41] <Langjan> Ok back to what broke
[18:41] <Kilos> then the heart thing happened now no money for anything unnessary
[18:41] <Kilos> oh yes
[18:41] <Kilos> here it comes
[18:41] <Langjan> ok
[18:42] <Kilos> head much better
[18:42] <Kilos> lets hear
[18:42] <Langjan> the solution we chatted about was upgrade to 16.04
[18:42] <Kilos> tell i go toilet quick
[18:42] <Kilos> oh the graphics thing
[18:43] <Langjan> so I reckoned lets try that, you suggested it in the first place so I fresh-installed today and all is well
[18:45] <Kilos> wonderful
[18:45] <Kilos> i actually thought it was 16.04 giving the probs
[18:45] <Langjan> Had to download the iso and burn a dvd but now everything is working fine
[18:46] <Kilos> im glad to hear that
[18:46] <Kilos> i am lucky with 14.04 everything works
[18:47] <Langjan> Thks, yes there was always some package problem somewhere and a funny little scrap icon om my desktop
[18:47] <Kilos> and 16.04 here on lappy works fine too but more hunting for where they put stuff
[18:47] <Kilos> i never used the scrap bin
[18:47] <Langjan> Well I think that 14.04 is perhaps more stable than 16.04 at this stage
[18:48] <Kilos> i use shift delete and its gone with no further hassles of full bin etc
[18:48] <Langjan> Good
[18:48] <Langjan> Oh and nautilus is also good
[18:48] <Kilos> see the head is like a bruise
[18:49] <Langjan> I had to go to nemo on the old install
[18:49] <Kilos> once it warms up its not too bad
[18:49] <Langjan> even that was not 100%
[18:49] <Kilos> whats nemo
[18:49] <Langjan> file manager
[18:49] <Kilos> oh
[18:49] <Langjan> did you not suggest it?
[18:50] <Kilos> dunno
[18:50] <Kilos> oh
[18:50] <Kilos> the alternative one
[18:50] <Langjan> yes
[18:50] <Kilos> i remember something
[18:50] <Langjan> your head seems badly bruised...
[18:50] <Kilos> hhahahaha
[18:50] <Kilos> it was
[18:50] <Langjan> lmga!
[18:51] <Kilos> i have little short term memory man
[18:51] <Langjan> What were we about?
[18:51] <Kilos> nemo
[18:51] <Langjan> wecome to the fold
[18:51] <Langjan> welcome
[18:51] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:52] <Kilos> i was stupid man
[18:52] <Langjan> why?
[18:52] <Kilos> when i woke after head accident i didnt even know my mom
[18:52] <Kilos> you forget
[18:52] <Langjan> sjoe
[18:52] <Kilos> pcs and ubuntu revived the thinking process
[18:53] <Langjan> good
[18:53] <Kilos> yip im lekker now
[18:54] <Kilos> maybe it was getting all the new geek friends that helped
[18:54] <smile> new geek friends? :o
[18:54] <Kilos> h smile
[18:54] <smile> did you meet new friends? :o
[18:54] <smile> so you don't need us anymore? :p
[18:55] <Kilos> i never had geek friends before my head smash
[18:55] <Langjan> hi smile hows the friendly chap
[18:55] <Kilos> nonono dodo
[18:55] <Kilos> geekville is my home now
[18:55] <smile> I'm fine, thanks :) what about you? ;) I'm porting an XUL extension over to WebExtensions (the new addon technology from Mozilla)
[18:55] <Kilos> im ok also ty
[18:56] <Kilos> im chatting to my geek friends
[18:56] <smile> :DD
[18:56] <smile> right now :DD
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <smile> I just transferred all translations for Scrollkey from the old format to the new format
[18:56] <smile> I just need to do bugfixing now
[18:57] <smile> and then it's ready
[18:57] <Kilos> ai!
[18:57] <smile> After that, I will take on a different addon for porting
[18:57] <smile> I have quite a few
[18:57] <smile> :)
[18:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:57] <smile> XUL is being phased out, so we don't want miss the train! :D
[18:57] <Kilos> ok
[18:58] <Kilos> keep up the good work
[18:58] <smile> Otherwise you get ugly warnings "Unsafe/forbidden COWP usage" and terrible performance
[18:59] <Langjan> fine thks smile
[18:59] <smile> Multi Links Plus especially suffers a great performance hit when enabling e10s (new multi-process technology from Mozilla for Firefox, soon to be enabled by default)
[18:59] <smile> Langjan: what are you doing? ;)
[19:00] <Langjan> Enjoying a bug-free 16.04 clean-install
[19:01] <smile> Nice ;)
[19:01] <Kilos> haha
[19:01] <Langjan> running like a rabbit on ssd and 8 GB ram
[19:01] <Kilos> lovely
[19:02] <Langjan> lekker
[19:02] <smile> I'm enjoying my Manjaro installation from January 21, 2015
[19:02] <smile> ;)
[19:02] <smile> a few bugs, but nothing major
[19:02] <Kilos> bugs are tiring for old peeps
[19:02] <smile> I think this is the oldest Linux installation I still have :p also my record
[19:02] <Langjan> Ai! One bug is one too mant for me
[19:03] <Langjan> many
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:03] <smile> I never kept a Linux distro for more than one year :p
[19:03] <smile> always installing new releases
[19:03] <smile> but now that's over
[19:03] <smile> I'm on rolling release now
[19:03] <smile> no more upgrades, just updates
[19:03] <Langjan> Afrikaans we say as jy dom is moet jy suffer
[19:03] <Kilos> lol
[19:03] <smile> als ek dom is, moet ek suffer
[19:03] <Langjan> lmga
[19:03] <smile> * as
[19:04] <smile> :DD
[19:04] <smile> ek hêt ser as ek suffer :'(
[19:04] <Kilos> seer
[19:04] <Kilos> eina?
[19:04] <smile> jy is korrek ;)
[19:04] <smile> eina? :o
[19:04] <Kilos> eina is ouch
[19:04] <Langjan> join the struggle...
[19:04] <Kilos> in afrikaans
[19:04] <Langjan> anc
[19:05] <smile> ANC :o
[19:05] <Langjan> always struggling
[19:05] <smile> Afrikaans Nasionaal Kongres? :p
[19:05] <Langjan> lmga!
[19:05] <Kilos> i dont know if he knows what lmga is
[19:05] <smile> lag my gat af o.O
[19:06] <Kilos> lag my gaai af
[19:06] <Langjan> lol
[19:06] <Kilos> haha ja
[19:06] <Kilos> we just tone it down
[19:06] <smile> yeah, it's great ;)
[19:06] <Langjan> lag my gattaf
[19:06] <smile> The ground was frozen :o
[19:07] <smile> My car's windows too
[19:07] <Kilos> eina
[19:07] <Langjan> almost like expired libian leader
[19:07] <Langjan> gattafi
[19:07] <smile> lol
[19:07] <Kilos> lol
[19:07] <Langjan> you lost me re frozen ground
[19:07] <Kilos> winter there Langjan
[19:07] <smile> it was -2°C ;)
[19:08] <Kilos> netherlands
[19:08] <smile> no!
[19:08] <smile> :o
[19:08] <smile> Kilos: second try
[19:08] <Langjan> oh is that where you are?
[19:08] <smile> no. :p
[19:08] <Kilos> oh my
[19:08] <smile> I'm in Belgium! :p Best country ever!
[19:08] <Kilos> i forgot
[19:08] <Langjan> Good, no anc
[19:08] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:08] <smile> Flemish speaking part
[19:09] <smile> ANC is called NVA here ;)
[19:09] <Langjan> ?
[19:09] <smile> Nieuw-Vlaamse Alliantie :p
[19:10] <smile> suck% ANC = suck% NVA :p
[19:10] <smile> trust% ANC = trust% NVA
[19:11] <Langjan> Jy sal moet Afrikaans praat ek verstaan nie nou nie
[19:11] <Kilos> he says that party is same as anc
[19:11] <Kilos> here
[19:11] <smile> ANC is die Afrikaans Nasionaal Kongres :p
[19:11] <smile> NVA is die Nuw-Vlaamse Alliansie
[19:12] <Langjan> Can there be another one equally corrupt? Impossible
[19:12] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <smile> They aren't as old as ANC, so a little bit less
[19:12] <smile> just wait and see ;)
[19:13] <Langjan> Still learning...
[19:13] <smile> Langjan: at what age? :p
[19:13] <Langjan> tell them scottish president is good mentor
[19:13] <smile> why? :p
[19:13] <Kilos> he 8 years and 2 months older than me smile
[19:13] <Langjan> Robbie Mc Gabe
[19:13] <smile> Kilos: :o
[19:13] <Kilos> really old
[19:14] <Langjan> ancient
[19:14]  * smile is the youngest person on the planet
[19:14] <Kilos> yeah
[19:14] <Langjan> but not so high mileage as Kilos
[19:14] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:14] <smile> I'm only 21 :p
[19:14] <Kilos> but much more cheeky
[19:14] <Langjan> my grandson is 20
[19:14] <smile> :DD
[19:15] <Langjan> so you can call me oupa
[19:15] <Langjan> lmga!
[19:15] <smile> Only interested in granddaughters.. ;)
[19:15] <Langjan> I have two
[19:15] <smile> Above 14? :p
[19:15] <Langjan> third one arriving this week
[19:16] <Langjan> 16-year old in Canberra
[19:16] <smile> :DD
[19:16] <Langjan> sorry 18
[19:16] <Langjan> One in Pretoria is 14
[19:17] <smile> if they're still single, that's fine :p
[19:17] <smile> I'll take them both :p
[19:17] <Langjan> and no  on her way this week in Perth
[19:17] <Langjan> one
[19:17] <smile> can I have them? ;)
[19:18] <Langjan> You will have to pass the test first
[19:18] <smile> What's the test :o
[19:18] <Langjan> visit oupa for a month for grilling
[19:18] <Kilos> lol
[19:18] <smile> that's only 4 weeks
[19:18] <smile> ;)
[19:19] <Langjan> yes but you have'nt met oupa yet
[19:19] <Langjan> 4 weeks can be like 4 years
[19:19] <smile> Depends. :p
[19:20] <smile> It's not a prison :p
[19:20] <Langjan> how do you know?
[19:20] <smile> :o
[19:20] <smile> Hoe noem jy 'n "prison"? :p
[19:20] <Langjan> tronk
[19:21] <smile> dankie :)
[19:21] <Langjan> of gevangenis
[19:21] <smile> yeah, like the Dutch counterpart
[19:21] <smile> but I do not live in the Netherlands, it's an insult, Kilos ;)
[19:21] <Langjan> of tjoekie
[19:21] <smile> XD
[19:21] <Kilos> so sorry smile :(
[19:21] <smile> Kilos: :D
[19:22] <Langjan> OK Kilos and smile I'm gonna leave you
[19:22] <Kilos> ty for popping in Langjan
[19:22] <Langjan> thanks very much for being there when I need you
[19:22] <smile> jy hêt m'n hart gesteel :o jy alleen, die enige die my hart gesteel hêt ("Lionel Richie - The Only One")
[19:22] <Kilos> happy to hear 16.04 is running well
[19:22] <Langjan> fortunately not often, I dont use kde
[19:23] <Langjan> yes thks
[19:23] <smile> have a nice evening, Langjan :)
[19:23] <Langjan> thks smile you also
[19:23] <smile> :DD
[19:23] <Kilos> keep well Langjan
[19:23] <smile> Kilos: hands off she's mine! :o
[19:23] <Kilos> ill wait for something to break
[19:23] <Langjan> dankie Kilos pas jouself op
[19:23] <Kilos> sal so maak dankie
[19:24] <Langjan> Slaap lekker manne
[19:24] <superfly> Kilos has his own meisie
[19:24] <Langjan> Daar in Belgie" nog vroeg...
[19:24] <Kilos> hi superfly
[19:24] <Langjan> oh Kilos  help
[19:25] <Kilos> yes Langjan
[19:25] <Langjan> hi superfly all well your side?
[19:25] <superfly> Langjan: for the most part, yes.
[19:25] <Kilos> oh my
[19:25] <Langjan> good
[19:25] <superfly> I even drove my family to church yesterday
[19:25] <Kilos> great
[19:25] <superfly> On the wrong side of the road and all
[19:26] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:26] <Kilos> home is where the heart is
[19:26] <superfly> Kept on lifting my left foot up
[19:26] <Kilos> haha
[19:26] <superfly> Just nothing to put it down on
[19:26] <superfly> *had
[19:26] <Langjan> must be quite something getting used to
[19:27] <superfly> I just need to practice
[19:27] <Kilos> haha and automatic cars
[19:27] <Langjan> Kilos, yoou saw what happened when I tried to spell Belgie"
[19:27] <Kilos> didnt notice
[19:27] <Langjan> how do I activate compose key?
[19:27] <Kilos> oh my
[19:27] <Langjan> It says
[19:27] <Kilos> i forgot on unity
[19:27] <Kilos> was quite a job
[19:28] <Kilos> must be in settings somewhere
[19:28] <Langjan> click row and hold key down but nothing happens
[19:29] <Kilos> https://blogs.s-osg.org/custom-compose-keys-on-ubuntu/
[19:29] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
[19:32] <Langjan> Compose key is disabled but cannot enable it
[19:33] <Kilos> put that in google with 16.04
[19:33] <Kilos> must be solved by now
[19:33] <Kilos> i made mine control +k
[19:34] <Kilos> i think i even had to change keyboards on 14.04 Langjan
[19:35] <Kilos> to one with alt Gr  button
[19:35] <Kilos> inetpro had to help
[19:35] <smile> Langjan: "Daar in Belgie" nog vroeg..." -> 20h35, why? :p
[19:36] <Langjan> Great! Found it!
[19:36] <Langjan> Finicky
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <Langjan>   you have to click somewhere to the right in the middle of nowhere to get the options
[19:37] <Langjan> crazy
[19:37] <Kilos> told you things are more hidden
[19:37] <Kilos> haha
[19:38] <Langjan> België
[19:38] <Langjan> there we go
[19:38] <Kilos> well done
[19:38] <Langjan> thks
[19:38] <Langjan>  you put me on track as usual
[19:38] <smile> Nëderland :p
[19:38] <Kilos> thats why im here
[19:39] <Langjan> what is :p ? and :D etc? You told me but I forget
[19:40] <Kilos> smiles
[19:40] <Kilos> emoticons
[19:40] <Langjan> ja but how do I know to identify them? sounds like I need to go to school to learn them
[19:41] <Kilos> google how to enable or view emoticons in hexchat on 16.04
[19:41] <Langjan> Maar ek gaan nou tee maak en slaap
[19:42] <Langjan> ok will do thks
[19:42] <Kilos> ok lekker slaap my oom
[19:42] <Langjan> dankie jy ook en jy ook vriendelike jongman
[19:42] <gremble> Good evening. Happy new year to all of you :)
[19:42] <Langjan> bly net weg van my meisies totdat ek jou klaar gebraai het
[19:43] <Langjan> Hi gremble and to you also
[19:43] <Kilos> hi gremble
[19:43] <Kilos> same there
[19:43] <Langjan> Good night smile
[19:43] <Langjan> and Kilos
[19:44] <Langjan> nou werk alles
[19:44] <Langjan> kan ek lekker slaap
[19:44] <smile> good night :)
[19:44] <smile> slaap lekker
[19:45] <Langjan> Dankie smile jy ook
[19:46] <Kilos> hehe
[20:12] <smile> bye :)
[20:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:29] <Kilos> have a good day superfly and say hi to the family for me
[20:52] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good night
[20:52] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode


[00:02] <Unit193> Yep, and I got pings in 6 channels while I was gone :P
[00:18] <jrgifford> Ouch.
[00:22] <Unit193> Mind taking a look at a quick ruby thing?
[00:26] <jrgifford> Don't mind at all.
[00:27] <Unit193> Someone that understands Ruby better than I http://pastebin.com/HezZBjSj my breakage http://pastebin.com/ujZGYDL8
[00:28] <Unit193> 43: syntax error, unexpected kDO, expecting kTHEN or ':' or '\n' or ';'
[00:29] <Unit193> There are more errors I can pastebin
[00:29] <jrgifford> Ok, line 43 in what file?
[00:29] <Unit193> First, and line 44
[00:29] <jrgifford> It should specify.
[00:29] <Unit193> That's the only file
[00:30] <Unit193> Well, that's broken
[00:31] <jrgifford> what version of ruby are you running? Something tells me this is 1.9.2 code on a 1.8.7 ruby...
[00:31] <jrgifford> ruby -v will get you details
[00:31] <Unit193> The code works except the addition
[00:31] <Unit193> ruby 1.8.7 (2010-08-16 patchlevel 302) [i686-linux]
[00:32] <jrgifford> Argh. There goes that idea. :L
[00:32] <Unit193> Working file http://pastebin.com/EMpxbZ7k
[00:33] <jrgifford> change `~` to `/home/<username>/` - i've had issues with that before.
[00:34] <Unit193> Not broken, but I can change
[00:36] <jrgifford> Hmm... I'm not seeing anything that is making it break. . .
[00:37] <Unit193> The last paste is good
[00:37] <jrgifford> Oh, ok.
[00:40] <Unit193> What was added on the last was taking the var 'rating' and if it's a '0', ignore it, '1', changed var 'loved' to <3, and ignoring '3'
[02:03] <Unit193> jrgifford: Anywho, got it working
[02:13] <canthus13> whee.. ddrescue to the.. umm.. rescue.
[02:14] <paultag> thafreak: thafreak thafreak thafreak thafreak thafreak
[02:14] <paultag> dude, I did it
[02:14] <paultag> I did it
[02:14] <paultag> I did it!
[02:14]  * canthus13 did it too. a lot. all weekend.
[02:14] <canthus13> wait. did what?
[02:15] <paultag> canthus13: I got a VT100 hooked up to a modern linux machine and bug-squashed at MIT on it
[02:15] <canthus13> Oh cool. :)
[02:16] <paultag> canthus13: thafreak and I were talking about it
[02:16]  * canthus13 is attempting to rescue his server drive.
[02:16] <paultag> :(
[02:16] <canthus13> Not that it matters.. brilliant me fried the PSU at the very least by neglecting to turn the machine off when swapping out a CD-ROM.
[02:17] <canthus13> *spark* *fans spin down*
[02:17] <paultag> canthus13: :(
[02:17] <paultag> super sadies
[02:17] <Unit193> cheri703: Welcome
[02:17] <canthus13> ddrescue is going extremely slow.... I think the drive adapter is having issues.  I keep seeing it reset in dmesg.
[02:17]  * cheri703 is alive...
[02:18] <canthus13> Congrats. :)
[02:18] <cheri703> canthus13: did you have a hdd die too?
[02:18] <cheri703> I was going to be re-setting up my server today, but I can't find the adapter for the hdd I was going to use :(
[02:18] <canthus13> cheri703: Heh. The drive was going, wouldn't boot.. so I'm running DDrescue on it.  I was gonna see if I could boot it off of supergrub, but I didn't have a CDR installed. So I installed it... and forgot to turn off the machine while doing it. It was all pretty and sparky.
[02:19] <cheri703> :/ I can't run ddrescue on mine, it is SUPER dead
[02:19] <canthus13> ddrescue is doing ok.. it's slow, though.
[02:20] <canthus13> All I really need is to rescue my irssi config and my blog. the rest is easy to redo.
[02:20] <cheri703> :/
[02:42] <canthus13> Ok.  I've never used ddrescue to rescue to a file before.... Now do I mount it? I'm rescuing a partition, not the entire drive...
[02:44] <canthus13> s/Now/How/
[02:46] <cheri703> canthus13: I never got it to work right >.>
[02:46] <canthus13> mount -o loop partition.img /mnt
[02:46] <canthus13> Apparently.  I'll try it whenever this rescue completes.
[02:47] <cheri703> yeah, I tried it, but it freaked out on my system
[02:47] <canthus13> Hmm.
[02:47]  * canthus13 wonders if gparted will handle it...
[13:54] <jrgifford> Unit193: Cool.
[14:31] <thafreak> how the hell do you cancel a godaddy account...
[14:32] <jrgifford> thafreak: You can actually do that?
[14:32] <jrgifford> dad's been trying for years.
[15:17] <thafreak> yeah, it turns out...you can't
[15:17] <thafreak> you can remove payment info and turn off email notices...that's it
[15:17] <thafreak> how freaking stupid...
[15:18] <thafreak> so glad I'm ditching godaddy...
[15:18] <_bbb> godaddy.edu
[15:20] <thafreak> i'm all about name.com now
[15:20] <_bbb> i dont do any web hosting
[15:21] <_bbb> by my domains are thru joker.com
[15:21] <_bbb> *but


[09:36] <ara> morning davmor2 :-)
[09:37] <davmor2> ara morning
[10:07] <xivulon> Hi all,
[10:08] <xivulon> we had a new patch for wubi 7.10 due to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/268123
[10:08] <xivulon> the new initrd should be available in a couple of hours
[10:09] <xivulon> would it then be possible to test wubi 8.10? If you do not have windows please see if you can mount ntfs partition from a the new 2.6.27 initrd
[10:10] <xivulon> if you do not have ntfs partition you can create one within a file and use it with a vm
[10:14] <xivulon> well to test wubi 8.10 you need to wait for the new daily ISO and/or regenerate a casper initrd and replace the initrd in c:\ubuntu\install\boot, as mentioned in the bug report you can test the patch directly
[12:03] <jonrust> hoi
[16:33] <davmor2> Hello Everybody


[01:31] <len_> I just added another hvr1250 card to my myth box, but it won't load the cx23885 driver because the card is reporting a new id number not listed in the list of reported id's the driver checks for.  The card reports an ID of 1259.  Does anyone know if the driver has been updated to include the new id reported by new hvr1250's, or do I need do mod and recompile the driver?
[01:32] <len_> linuxtv.org seems to be down too.  Is there a mirror for v4l-dvb somewhere?
[01:32] <Zinn> [linuxtv.org] LinuxTV.org - Television with Linux
[01:32] <len_> I can't get through to the site.
[01:35] <len_> I don't know why the do the damn ID check anyway hauppauge is always adding new id's, even though there are no changes made that effect the drivers, so this keeps happening.
[01:35] <Zinn> len_: Please watch your language.
[01:38] <len_> I wonder if mythtv.org is paying their hosting fees.  The site is unreachable now.  Hope they are not gone for good.  Anyone know of an alternative repo?
[01:38] <Zinn> [mythtv.org] MythTV, Open Source DVR
[01:49] <dewman> len_, mythtv.org is up....
[01:49] <Zinn> [mythtv.org] MythTV, Open Source DVR
[01:49] <len_> Yeah, I just noticed that just came back up
[01:50] <tgm4883> Zinn checks the site if you say the link, so if he responded then it's up
[01:50] <Zinn> Hi tgm4883, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[01:51] <len_> He's an active little bot :)
[01:51] <dewman> he also has 2 personality's at time...
[01:51] <dewman> =)
[01:52] <dewman> err some time
[03:00] <dewman> anyone feel like helping me troubleshoot why my front end wont start up? Here is the issue...I installed a new video card and sense I have no clue what I was doing....6 hours later, I have the display working fantastic....But....mythfrontend is broke.... Here is the pastebin for my log collection.....   http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/6iJyQ7AQ
[09:29] <hot_wheelz> How does somone attach a nick to the logs that mythbuntu log grabber produces and then posts to mythbuntu.pastebin.com so you can id them easyly rather than being Anonymous all the time?
[23:55] <ryan_555> do I have to install any packages under 10.04 LTS if I wnat to play DVDS within MYTHTV frontend?
[23:55] <ryan_555> such as xubuntu-restricted-extras or otherwise
[23:56] <tgm4883> you would need to activate dvd support in MCC
[23:56] <tgm4883> which basically just installs the css package that is needed
[23:59] <ryan_555> where is that in MCC now?  I don't seei t


[09:31] <BenediktXVII>  Hello everybody. I have a huge problem with Kubuntu. I think my locale file is messed up. For some reason, whenever a file contains on of these characters é, è, à, ô, etc ... it will show in Dolphin like this "2017-040 pr� r�q 25.09.18" instead of "2017-040 pré réq 25.09.18". This is problematic as I live and work in the french speaking part of Belgium and there are characters like this all the time in filr names.
[09:32] <BenediktXVII> [11:27] <BenediktXVII> The big problem is that it won't even open the files
[09:32] <BenediktXVII>  I use Kubuntu in a production environment, so it is important that such a things work ... :/ Of course I have looked al over the net and searching for an answer before coming here.
[09:58] <BenediktXVII> I am sorry, I had to reboot
[10:06] <BenediktXVII> Hello everybody. I am having big problems with my entire KDE locale. For some reason in dolphin the file name would show as "2017-040 pr� r�q 25.09.18.pdf" instead of  "2017-040 pré réq 25.09.18.pdf". I am having this issue for several months now, have searched all over but found nothing. My locale is set to en_GB, but the rest is set to fr_BE, as I want to have the OS language in english, but live in the french speaking part
[10:06] <BenediktXVII> of Belgium. I have tried also several KDE based distros, all have the same problem. This is the output of locale in the command line: https://pastebin.com/PWAH1Jn8
[11:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:07] <bitsian> Hello developers, I am new to the KDE community and am enthusiastic about contributing to it. Could you please point me to a KDE project (like Okular) where I can find newcomer bugs? Also, is this the right forum to post such doubts?
 @bitsian, If you want to contribute to specific applications, I recommend asking on the #kde channel.  If you want to assist with the packaging of KDE apps in Kubuntu, contact the #kubuntu-devel channel
[16:11] <Alexfrench> hello !
[16:11] <Alexfrench> there are still bug with discover to do updates ?
[16:12] <Alexfrench> i have to do apt get updates and apt get upgrade each time ??
 @Alexfrench, Are you running 18.04 with backports?
[16:22] <Alexfrench> i don't know, what do you mean with backports ?
[16:23] <Alexfrench> it depends with discover, one time it works, another time no
 18.04 is a long term release, but it's not perfect.  So backports allows you to receive new packages with updates and fixes.
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=bionic
[16:30] <Alexfrench> are they safe, it is writen unsafe ?
 Yes, just a safe as Kubuntu 18.04.  The backports are managed by the  same packaging team that provides the regular and long term releases.
 While new packages typically fix many bugs and add new features, occasionally a new bug is also introduced.  Majority of the time, adding backports is better than no backports.  Also, you can remove backplorts if needed (ppa-purge).
[16:36] <Alexfrench> thanks for the link, otherwise bash commands i use are the good ones to do manual update ?
 yes, the bash commands listed are a perfectly fine alternative.
[16:37] <Alexfrench> great thank you very much !
 I prefer apt so I use: sudo apt update and sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:38] <Alexfrench> it is a old laptop on which one i try kubuntu but first i am a windows 10 user
[16:39] <Alexfrench> on my principal computer
 very good.  I hope you find Kubuntu to be fun and exciting.
[16:41] <Alexfrench> on my laptop it is faster than win10 but i am always afraid to break something
[16:41] <Alexfrench> so i go slowly
 Caution is good :)  I break stuff all the time, but I experiment on non-critical systems first.


[03:05] <pruebaslinux> Colombia.... hay alguien?
[06:17] <anthony> Trying to get into my home folder through places opens rhythmnbox. An update has changed a setting and I cannot remember where to go to change it back. Can anyone assist?
[06:18] <alkisg> anthony: what's the output of this command? cat ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[06:19] <anthony> No such file or directory
[06:20] <alkisg> And what happens if you run: xdg-open ~
[06:21] <anthony> it opens rythmnbox
[06:21] <anthony> It's happened once before and my Linux tutor found some referance on the forums with a solution, only I wasn't paying enough attention.
[06:22] <alkisg> Can you open a "guest session" and see if it happens there too?
[06:22] <anthony> and cannot remeber the details
[06:22] <alkisg> So that we see if it's user specific, or system wide?
[06:22] <anthony> k
[06:23] <alkisg> Last post in https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2343283 mentions a solution
[06:24] <anthony> That's it alkisg thanks
[06:24] <alkisg> np
[06:24] <alkisg> Did it happen in guest too?
[06:24] <alkisg> (because if it's system-wide, it might affect more users...)
[06:24] <anthony> I'll bookmark that now.
[06:25] <anthony> You will need to assit me with logging out and logging back in as guest. how do i do that?
[06:26] <alkisg> If you click the "start menu" or whatever else you have, you'll see a logout button, you can logout that way and then select the "guest session" from the login screen
[06:27] <anthony> I only have a shut down the computer button. i will go and add a login option to the panel.
[06:29] <alkisg> Maybe you have it in the "system" menu then
[06:29] <anthony> Yeah it was in the System menu
[06:29] <anthony> It didn't happen in Guest.
[06:30] <alkisg> OK then it was somehow initiated by you, not a system-wide change or upgrade
[06:39] <anthony> OK that thread mentions the solution i need to make though i still need assistance changing a setting
[06:40] <alkisg> What?
[06:40] <anthony> where do I set caja as the application to open home
[06:41] <alkisg>  Open file manager, then using any folder: right click > Open With  > Other Application > Caja (there were two Cajas to choose from:  one with a folder symbol, the other with the file cabinet symbol. I  selected the latter). ""
[06:41] <alkisg> How far do you get with those instructions?
[06:42] <anthony> all the way and it has repaired the break
[06:42] <anthony> thanks again
[06:42] <alkisg> np
[06:44] <anthony> I'm very certain i didn't cause the break though np this install is buggy anyway
[07:58] <sambagirl> quick question, can't i install to a usb thumb drive?
[07:59] <sambagirl> i'm trying it on one usb and trying to install to another one
[07:59] <alkisg> quick answer, you can :)
[07:59] <sambagirl> it's reporting failed for almost everything.
[08:00] <alkisg> Maybe you need longer questions/answers then, including the messages etc :)
[08:00] <sambagirl> i'm using a ssd with 10 on it on the other side.
[08:00] <sambagirl> get_widget stuff is failing
[08:01] <alkisg> sudo parted -l
[08:01] <alkisg> Or better yet, sudo parted -l | nc pastebin.com 9999
[08:01] <alkisg> What's the output of that?
[08:02] <sambagirl> just a sec
[08:03] <alkisg> (open a terminal with alt+ctrl+t, copy/paste the command there, and then pste the output here)
[08:03] <sambagirl> just a sec
[08:03] <sambagirl> damn touch screen :D
[08:04] <sambagirl> oh it looks like it is trying to install grub
[08:04] <sambagirl> let me see if it's successful
[08:06] <sambagirl> umm something very odd here
[08:06] <sambagirl> brb
[08:08] <sambagirl> http://pastebin.ca/3747972
[08:09] <alkisg> sambagirl: you can't install to a fat partition
[08:09] <alkisg> ext4 is needed
[08:09] <alkisg> You need an empty stick, or one with an ext4 partition in it
[08:09] <alkisg> Maybe you didn't paste all the output?
[08:09] <sambagirl> well i thought it would wipe everything? that is what i selected.
[08:09] <alkisg> sudo parted -l | nc pastebin.com 9999
[08:09] <sambagirl> well it finished the installation let me see what happens. brb
[08:18] <mate|48872> hi chatroom, has anyone tried to install ubuntu-mate with a preseed file?
[08:19] <sambagirl> ok that didnt work :)
[08:19] <sambagirl> oh god i think it wiped out my windows 10
[08:20] <sambagirl> darnit
[08:22] <sambagirl> yep it wiped out 10
[08:22] <sambagirl> oh well
[08:22] <sambagirl> why would it create a 7gig swap when i have 8 gig ram?
[08:22] <alkisg> mate|48872: i think it would be best to be more specific on what you want with the preseed file...
[08:23] <sambagirl> i think it did wipe it out. i dont see it under gparted.
[08:23] <sambagirl> brb let me try to see what happens with another boot
[08:24] <alkisg> sambagirl: if you selected to wipe all, sure
[08:25] <mate|48872> @alkisg -  im trying to force the live cd to use a preseed file stored on a web server (automate installl) but it just jumps back to the GUI install. Was wonder if someone has the correct boot options for me
[08:26] <alkisg> mate|48872: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/armhf/apbs02.html ==>
[08:27] <alkisg>   preseed/url=http://host/path/to/preseed.cfg   preseed/url/checksum=5da499872becccfeda2c4872f9171c3d
[08:34] <mate|48872> thats what I've being trying, but it goes directly to the GUI installer.
[08:36] <alkisg> I'm not sure if booting from usb will allow an http preseed, did you try with netbooting it?
[08:36] <alkisg> Also, since it's not related to the mate code base, you could ask in #ubuntu about it
[08:50] <mate|48872> is there netboot ubuntu-mate iso?
[08:56] <alkisg> mate|48872: no, the netboot cds don't have a de, and you can configure it with the preseed. Most packages are downloaded over the web in netbooting, so one cd fits all DEs
[09:21] <sambagirl> morning. ok i have it installed. set it to legacy so i can get it to boot.
[09:21] <sambagirl> my question is does linux handle rotation? this is a 360 laptop.
[09:54] <fantesberger> I just installed ubuntu mate 16.04 in a vm. how can I change the kezboard layaut and add hidpi support?
[10:01] <fantesberger> I found the keyboard support now under system menu. The hidpi things is critical too, I am using reading glasses and a magnifier glass in conjunction and nearly cannot read anything
[17:20] <Sweetlew> Hello, everybody. I need a solution for this problem, and I need it fast. My Chromecast just all of a sudden, out of the blue, decided to not work with Chromium this morning, and I need it to work so that I can provide something to watch for all my younger cousins at my family Christmas party on Saturday.
[17:21] <Akuli> does it work in full chrome?
[17:21] <Sweetlew> And the Google rep on the phone is saying that it's something wrong with Ubuntu, while I'm saying that my Chromecast isn't recognizing my wi-fi.
[17:22] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Yes, it worked in Chrome Canary on my windows 7 machine.
[17:22] <Akuli> then you can download chrome if you can't think of anything else
[17:24] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I run a 32-bit install.
[17:24] <Akuli> then we have a problem
[17:24] <Akuli> install or computer?
[17:25] <Sweetlew> Akuli; both
[17:25] <Akuli> hmh
[17:25] <Akuli> and it doesn't work in other browsers?
[17:28] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Not in chromium.
[17:29] <Akuli> maybe you could run windows chrome in wine?
[17:35] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I just tried regular chrome on my windows laptop, and chromecast worked just fine with it. I don't get it, though. I was able to cast just fine from my desktop last night.
[17:36] <Sweetlew> My current chromium version is 55, btw.
[17:36] <Akuli> i believe google updated their stuff
[17:37] <Sweetlew> Well, I need this to work before Saturday.
[17:37] <Akuli> does chrome work in wine or not?
[17:39] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I don't know, I'm tired of workarounds, though.
[17:40] <Akuli> try it in wine, you don't lose anything and i don't have time right now :)
[17:43] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Will do. I don't have time for this issue, either.
[17:44] <Akuli> hmm
[17:44] <Akuli> then i'll try that
[17:45] <Sweetlew> "Unable to connect to the internet. If you run a firewall, please whitelist GoogleUpdate.exe."
[17:45] <Akuli> hmm
[17:46] <Sweetlew> How can I tell if I have an active firewall running?
[17:47] <Akuli> maybe ufw?
[17:47] <Akuli> i doubt it if you haven't enabled it
[17:47] <Akuli> i guess chrome just doesn't like wine, which is no surprise :(
[17:51] <Sweetlew> Ok, well, if this is a supposed bug, then I don't have freaking time to wait. I need a solution to this problem, pronto.
[17:52] <Akuli> borrow a windows or 64-bit computer for whatever time you need it?
[17:57] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I found gufw.
[17:57] <Akuli> you don't need that :)
[17:57] <Akuli> sudo ufw status is enough if you really want to have a look
[17:59] <Sweetlew> It's active.
[17:59] <Akuli> you can disable it temporarily
[17:59] <Akuli> i have no idea if chrome is actually going to work though...
[17:59] <Sweetlew> Akuli: And borrowing and/or using another machine wouldn't really be ideal in my situation.
[18:00] <Akuli> ok
[18:00] <Sweetlew> Akuli: How can I temporarily disable it?
[18:00] <Akuli> sudo ufw disable :)
[18:00] <Akuli> ufw is really easy to use
[18:01] <Sweetlew> "firewall stopped and disabled on system startup"
[18:01] <Sweetlew> Do I need to reboot?
[18:02] <Sweetlew> Akuli^
[18:02] <Akuli> no
[18:02] <Akuli> it just means that it won't start again if you reboot
[18:02] <Sweetlew> Akuli: ok.
[18:03] <Sweetlew> Nope. Still not working.
[18:03] <Akuli> then we have a problem
[18:04] <Akuli> your thing just doesn't work in firefox?
[18:10] <Sweetlew> Akuli: No.
[18:10] <Akuli> i don't have more ideas :(
[18:11] <Akuli> maybe a windows vm?
[18:11] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Takes up too much RAM.
[18:11] <Akuli> you have how much?
[18:12] <Sweetlew> Akuli: 6 gigs.
[18:12] <Akuli> ooh there's no such thing as takes too much ram then :)
[18:12] <Akuli> i can run a windows xp vm just fine with 2gb
[18:12] <vanishare> hey guys, i;ve been trying to add two entries in "startup applications", one "/usr/bin/mate-terminal -e mcabber" and the other is "/usr/bin/mate-terminal -e weechat".. thing is, after reboot one always dissapered, how can i resolve that?
[18:13] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Also, it would take up quite a bit of time for me.
[18:13] <Akuli> Sweetlew, not really
[18:13] <Akuli> latest chrome supports windows 7 and up...
[18:14] <Akuli> we don't want to pirate anything, so you need to find a windows 7 installation dvd somewhere and just install it without activating it, windows has a 30 day trial
[18:15] <Akuli> i have a windows 7 installation dvd, i could make an iso of it for you
[18:16] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Ok, but I don't want to go down that route.
[18:16] <Akuli> better ideas?
[18:16] <Sweetlew> I've already tried enabling/disabling/resetting everything you can imagine.
[18:17] <Akuli> there you go, google just updated their stuff :)
[18:17] <Sweetlew> The rep did mention downgrading Chromium.
[18:18] <Sweetlew> Akuli: How so?
[18:18] <Akuli> i have no idea
[18:18] <Akuli> you can get an old version of chromium if you want to
[18:19] <Akuli> http://askubuntu.com/questions/138284/how-to-downgrade-a-package-via-apt-get
[18:19] <Akuli> unfortunately i don't know how to help because i've never done that
[18:27] <Sweetlew> Ok, I'm trying commands in the command line from the page you just linked. Not getting anywhere.
[18:28] <Akuli> which version is your chromium?
[18:28] <Akuli> also, have you apt-get upgraded recently?
[18:30] <Sweetlew> Akuli: 55 and no.
[18:30] <Sweetlew> Should I run apt-get upgrade?
[18:30] <Akuli> if you want an older version, no
[18:30] <Akuli> mine is 53 :)
[18:31] <Akuli> you know what i realized
[18:31] <Sweetlew> Akuli: And do you have a Chromecast that works with that?
[18:31] <Akuli> i have chromiums 51, 52 and 53 in my apt cache
[18:31] <Akuli> i don't even know what chromecast is :)
[18:32] <Sweetlew> Well, then I need to talk to somebody on here that has a Chromecast.
[18:34] <Akuli> maybe someone on #google knows?
[18:45] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I just tried to downgrade, and I get dependency errors.
[18:45] <Akuli> which ubuntu?
[18:45] <Akuli> also, if you just want to entertain children let them play supertuxkart :)
[18:46] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Ubuntu Mate 16.04
[18:46] <Akuli> you could of course try 14.04, but you might as well go windows at that point
[18:48] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Is there a way of how I can downgrade without dependency errors? I've been at this all damn day.
[18:48] <Akuli> solve the dependency problems, of course :) or use an older ubuntu
[18:53] <Sweetlew> Akuli: I don't have time for that. I'm going to be in a podcast in a couple of hours.
[18:54] <Akuli> i would probably find something else for the children to do
[18:54] <Akuli> how old are they?
[18:54] <Sweetlew> Akuli: And, besides, I want the only one touching the computer to be me.
[18:54] <Akuli> hmm
[18:54] <Sweetlew> Akuli: 5 up through early teens.
[18:55] <Akuli> maybe you could just look up something long enough on youtube?
[18:59] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Ok, that's not helping.
[18:59] <Akuli> yeah :(
[18:59] <Akuli> i don't have more ideas
[19:00] <Sweetlew> Yeah, well, I need this problem solved. I can't wait for bugfixes and workarounds, as this has already taken up too much of my damn time already.
[19:03] <Akuli> just get another computer somewhere
[19:03] <Akuli> as you can see, we're not getting anywhere
[19:04] <Sweetlew> Akuli: Exactly, Which is why I need somebody that uses a Chromecast to help me.
[20:37] <ubuntu-mate> hi everyone
[20:38] <ubuntu-mate> I'm newbie in use ubuntu mate
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> what is a difference between ubuntu mate 16.04.1 LTS and ubuntu mate 16.10? thank you.
[20:44] <mate|49444> any one home
[20:44] <mate|49444> ?
[20:45] <mate|49444> Boo
[21:08] <Akuli> ubuntu-mate, 16.04 will be supported for many years, 16.10 for a few months
[21:08] <Akuli> that's what LTS means, Long Term Support
[21:09] <Akuli> you can use 16.10 if you want to try out the newest features... i wouldn't :)
[21:22] <ubuntu-mate> thank you very much Akuli.
[22:30] <sabaradhdc> jkhbujg
[22:38] <danieldafurrylov> yiffme
[23:32] <barrympix> howdy folks, I have a question regarding Ubuntu MATE hibernation option for a new laptop
[23:37] <barrympix> trying to figure out how to contact matey
[23:40] <barrympix> ?hibernate
[23:41] <barrympix> how do I get the bot to answer a question?
[23:41] <barrympix> that must not be it.
[23:41] <barrympix> matey: do you answer questions?
[23:42] <barrympix> I'll take that as a no.
[23:42] <masnell_> !ask
[23:46] <masnell_> @barrympix: there are many ppl here willing to help, just need to be patient cos many come in &  out of the chat to see if any questions we can help with based on our experience / resources.
[23:46] <masnell_> For hibernation maybe worth checking the community forums tips & Tricks section
[23:50] <barrympix> ah.  I am looking for something to put on my portable computer to replace (what I find to be terribly invasive) windows 10.  Ubuntu MATE looks like a great option for college purposes, I wondered if there was a problem getting the laptop to hibernate?
[23:50]  * barrympix looking for tips and tricks section.
[23:51] <masnell_> Linux &  Hibernation tends to be a hardware specific success story
[23:51] <masnell_> Generally I have had success but you need to try on your system to confirm
[23:56] <barrympix> it's a new system.  haven't got it yet.  I want to replace the OS before it boots up with anything.  I plan to boot to boot options menu, set to boot USB, and load a new OS without ever having to look at Windows 10.  I am taking a bit of a leap of faith with that kind of approach, but I don't see any redeeming features for MS at this point other th
[23:56] <barrympix> an it is what the system has on it already.
[23:59] <masnell_> Should not be a problem.
[23:59] <masnell_> I build systems and never let Windows near them unless it's in a VM


[02:52] <Mooncairn> I'll say one positive thing for GNOME 45: gnome-shell doesn't (yet) appear to leak memory like a sieve.
[02:55] <cmaloney> That's a good thing
[02:55] <Mooncairn> Yes, it is. :-)
[02:56] <Mooncairn> Considering that with GNOME 44 gnome-shell would routinely grow to nearly 4 GB of resident memory.