[02:39] <lamont-away> dpkg-deb: building package `lib32gcc1' in `../lib32gcc1_4.0.1-4ubuntu1+ia32.libs.1.4ubuntu1_ia64.deb'.
[02:39] <lamont-away> dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `debian/lib32z1/DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory
[02:39] <lamont-away> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 512
[02:39] <lamont-away> you guys broke ia64!  shame on you
[02:39] <lamont-away> hrm.. I wonder if I just requested biarch support on ia64.....


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[05:24] <vorlon> rolling back haskell-tasty-hunit, knock-on effect of rolling back haskell-tasty, which was rolled back due to haskell-ansi-terminal
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[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept zimlib, it has only two reverse-dependencies already build-dep waiting for it
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> easy transition
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[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> sad slow riscv is sad slow
[09:13] <LocutusOfBorg> wgrant, any ETA for some non-qemu hardware? half of the patches are "hey increase timeouts" and they are not really upstreamable
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[11:58] <tjaalton> sil2100: hi, there's now a hwe backport of the xserver update from yesterday, if you don't mind giving it a nudge. I was told that it's also needed in bionic..
[12:19] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, can you please have a look? I know you are busy, but stuff like ndpi is keeping syncd over and over, with logs increasing on each run
[12:19] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/ubuntu-archive-tools/sync/revision/1332
[12:21] <sil2100> tjaalton: oh
[12:21] <sil2100> tjaalton: ok
[12:27] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: wrong link maybe?
[12:27] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: But anyway, sorry, I really don't have brain-space for this today
[12:28] <cjwatson> There are hopefully others who can, except that you specified exactly me as the reviewer for some reason?
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[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/ubuntu-archive-tools/sync/+merge/374390
[12:31] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, you suggested the implementation to me :)
[12:31] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: OK - sorry, I can't really, please find another archive admin
[12:31] <cjwatson> I know, but still
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> no problem, I hope vorlon can pick this up then :)
[12:32] <LocutusOfBorg> we have lots of noise in the auto sync script, this fixes it up
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[12:33] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, short story: auto-sync doesn't sync stuff if the same version has been deleted from the destination archive. the problem is: it looks only for the current release, instead of the whole archive history. so, stuff like "ndpi" removed in focal, are trying to be copied over and over, with lots of poisoning in the log
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[15:41] <slashd> tjaalton, vorlon: Could you please promote 'sosreport' from -proposed to -updates in B/E/F if your time permit ?
[15:41] <slashd> LP: #1884293 ^^
[16:29] <tjaalton> slashd: no promotions on a friday
[16:29] <slashd> tjaalton: all good, will circle back next week
[16:38] <slashd> tjaalton: might be worth documenting the no promotions on Friday in the SRU process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates (Sorry if it's already there but I couldn't find it)
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[19:24] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: can't look today; do you want to mark me as a reviewer on the MP so I can look later without it getting lost?
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[02:31] <michaelh1> Hi there.  Natty 2.6.38-8 panics on me about once a day.  Where should I report this?
[02:32] <RAOF> Launchpad.
[02:32] <michaelh1> Yes, but where abouts?
[02:32] <RAOF> And, I guess you've reported it here, too.  Does apport not pop up suggesting you file a bug?
[02:33] <michaelh1> No, the machine dies and there's no apport dialog when it comes back up.
[02:33] <RAOF> “ubuntu-bug linux” is the requisite incantation for bug reporting if apport's not catching it.
[02:33] <michaelh1> Ah, ta.  Running now...
[02:34] <michaelh1> I have a photo of the panic backtrace.  How can I attach it?
[02:35] <michaelh1> Ah, I see there's a browser window opening up...
[02:35] <RAOF> Once the bug report is on launchpad, attach the file :)
[02:36] <jk-> now we just need to "close the loop" and get LP to fix the bug
[02:38] <RAOF> I'm all for creating a sentient bug-fixing launchpad.
[02:38] <RAOF> Chop chop!
[02:39] <lifeless> but does the strong anthropic principle apply?
[02:40] <RAOF> That a sentient bug-fixing launchpad would only exist in a world filled with bugs?
[02:42] <jk-> sentient? I propose RAOF gets the job of holding his hand over the big red killswitch in case LP goes all skynet on us
[02:43] <RAOF> Any sufficiently advanced AI malevolent enough to require use of the killswitch is malevolent enough to remove the ability to press the killswitch :)
[02:43] <jk-> your job with the killswitch includes monitoring the killswitch
[02:44] <jk-> :D
[06:56]  * apw yawns
[06:57] <RAOF> Want some more bees to gargle? :)
[07:00] <apw> i like my women like i like my coffee covered in bees
[07:02] <apw> RAOF, hows things looking for release from your point of view
[07:02] <RAOF> By and large, pretty good.
[07:03] <apw> there are some bugs out there, even some nasty ones, but not a huge heap of them
[07:03] <RAOF> There are some nouveau crazies, but for some reason laptop manufacturers like to put totally insane bioses on nvidia systems.
[07:03] <RAOF> There's one big bug involving compiz freezing that I thought we'd fixed on Friday, but sadly not.
[07:03] <apw> that is so helpful of them, you'd think that the nvidia would specify the bios really
[07:03] <RAOF> It might be in the kernel (missing vblank events) or it might be in libx11.
[07:04] <apw> hrm
[07:04] <apw> which grphics?  or is it all of them?
[07:04] <RAOF> intel!
[07:04] <RAOF> No one uses it.  It's pretty obscure :)
[07:04] <apw> yeah minor corner case
[07:05]  * apw shakes head
[07:05] <RAOF> Oh, and btrfs remains molasses-slow, but that's hardly news :/
[07:06] <apw> yeah, that one has yet to live up to its billing, though that is the common case of all new filesystems
[07:06] <apw> they are really quick until the data loss bugs are gone
[07:06] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:06] <apw> ext4 and ext3 went trhough being as fast as anything, but your data was on a knife edge
[07:07] <RAOF> Which is a pity, because btrfs has some all sorts of awesome in it.  Once it's fast enough for regular use, I guess.
[07:08] <apw> yeah, it has a nice model if it can ever be made performant
[07:08] <apw> great for rollback and the like
[07:09] <RAOF> Hot data migration for ssds would be nice, too.
[07:09] <RAOF> And nice schroots and such.
[07:09] <apw> so there doesn't seem to be anything for i915 at all in either <IP_ADDRESS> (which is pending for the first SRU) or in the stable queue
[07:10] <RAOF> Yeah, I don't think there's anything anywhere for it.  I'm not yet sure it *is* an i915 bug.
[07:38] <apw> today is our last window for an upload really, and right now there is nothing pending which warrents the risk of actually doing one as far as i can see
[07:38] <apw> RAOF, ^^
[07:45] <RAOF> apw: I concur.
[08:48]  * smb waves to apw
[08:48] <apw> smb, moin, hows you
[08:48] <apw> smb, do we still use the cve bzr thingy?
[08:48] <smb> apw, Good, just slow to get to work. :)
[08:49]  * amitk read that as CVS bzr thingy and shivered...
[08:49] <smb> apw, I guess we use the bzr branch but more on a manual approach
[08:49] <apw> amitk, hehe
[08:49] <apw> smb, ok so will update the branch then
[08:50] <smb> apw, I must admit I have not done much cve lately. Too much time spent on other things
[08:50] <apw> me also, just was updating the awsome tracker with some new cves was all
[08:51] <smb> *sigh* there is always new
[09:05] <smb> The cking is back. :) Was it next week when you are on vacation?
[09:05] <cking> smb, no vacation as yet
[09:06] <smb> Ah ok, saw it somewhere and was for some reason believing it would be this week
[09:07] <smb> As this Fridays is a Good Friday. :-P
[09:08] <cking> smb, yep, may take wednesday off - electrician is doing the final wiring
[09:09] <smb> cking, Good idea. Not good to have computers running while someone pokes around with a screwdriver
[09:09] <smb> So You can move around Easter?
[09:10] <cking> still got to decorate the office - got to wait 5 weeks for the plaster to dry before I can apply paint
[09:12] <smb> 5 weeks!? That is so close to torture... :-P
[09:19] <cking> smb, well it's dry-ish now, but if put modern paints on it now it the pain will trap in moisture forever
[09:21] <smb> cking, Understandable, though it feels very hard to have an office place that is connected and all but you have to wait for some plaster to dry.
[10:36] <Daviey> apw, Can you confirm that bug 747090 fix, will land in the next kernel upload?
[10:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 747090 in linux "wrong return address sometimes pushed for INT in kvm (not qemu)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/747090
[10:36] <apw> yes that fix is committed and will be in the first SRU upload
[10:37] <apw> Daviey, ^^
[10:39] <Daviey> apw, ah, super - thanks!
[10:53] <eagles0513875> what about bug 762496 what will happen if compiling the vanilla kernel fixes the issue
[10:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762496 in linux "atheros wifi cards cause kernel panic when connecting to wpa2 secured wifi networks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762496
[11:12] <apw> eagles0513875, if <IP_ADDRESS> fixes your issue then that is going to be released as the first sru for the kernel
[11:12] <apw> which is normally 1-2 weeks after release
[11:12] <eagles0513875> ok there were some patches released to fix that issue for <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:12] <apw> eagles0513875, and have you tested that they fix your issue?
[11:13] <eagles0513875> working on it as we speak
[11:13] <apw> well thats good feedback if you can indicate which patches fixed the problem we can tag them and the bug will close out automatically when the SRU releases
[11:14] <eagles0513875> apw: any chance to get it in before the first sru release
[11:14] <eagles0513875> as there are going to be tons of disgruntled people
[11:14] <apw> very unlikely now, if this was raised a week ago before the freeze we might have gotten it in, though the fix was only available friday i believe
[11:15] <eagles0513875> ya i was talking to someone about that friday as it has been plaguing me big time
[11:15] <apw> that is the problem with people waiting till the last minute to test, its all too late to do anything about
[11:16] <eagles0513875> no chance to file a freeze exception
[11:16] <apw> unless someone in the kernel team happens to have the h/w we simply don't find out
[11:16] <apw> the problem is timing, a kernel rebuild takes close to 24 hours, and it has to be done before 9am tommorrow
[11:17] <apw> which is basically impossible now
[11:17] <eagles0513875> ahh
[11:17] <eagles0513875> 24 hrs O_o
[11:17] <eagles0513875> im suprised canonical doesnt have a dedicated high end machine to cut down the kernel packaging and compilation time
[11:17] <apw> and then we have to respin the installer etc
[11:18] <apw> eagles0513875, there are no such things as high end armel boxes
[11:18] <apw> which is why our freezes are loudly advertised, and pretty much hard
[11:18] <apw> and why testing early is sooo important
[11:19] <eagles0513875> then in that case whats the earliest one can get in on upgrading to the next dev release
[11:19] <eagles0513875> that isnt part of the canonical staff
[11:19] <apw> eagles0513875, from the moment the archive opens,
[11:19] <eagles0513875> which is usually how long after
[11:19] <eagles0513875> release
[11:19] <apw> there is no special treatment for canonical staff
[11:19] <apw> usually less than a week
[11:19] <apw> but even testing the alphas would be good
[11:20] <apw> those appear very early in the cycle
[11:20] <eagles0513875> ya the problem for me is time atm :(
[11:24] <eagles0513875> apw: mind if i pm ya a sec
[11:24] <apw> eagles0513875, yep, a problem for a lot of people, but it means you'll likely have to wait a couple of weeks longer than the rest to upgrade
[11:24] <apw> eagles0513875, ok
[11:24] <eagles0513875> im already on natty i just cant use the wifi at home
[11:37] <apw> eagles0513875, you might want to test the kernel which is in the pre-proposed archive
[11:37] <apw> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed
[11:37] <eagles0513875> i was gonna recompile as there are some default things which on a netbook i dont need
[11:37] <apw> that should be similar to the SRU kernel and contain the .3 fixes
[11:38] <eagles0513875> :) will give that a shot. is it possible if that has the fixes to get that pushed today before release
[11:38] <apw> that is simply built from the tip of our tree, that is what is committed for the next upload
[11:39] <apw> i will discuss it, but i suspect we are unlikely to be uploading before release now
[11:39] <eagles0513875> the biggest prevention you have here is disgruntled users
[11:39] <eagles0513875> upon release
[11:40] <apw> eagles0513875, i have to balance risk, known breakage for you and the (relativly) small number of atheros users against the risk of making any change which can affect all other users
[11:40] <eagles0513875> true
[11:40] <apw> as esentially any change now invalidates all of the testing we have done to now
[11:41] <apw> now in theory its low risk, but ... non-zero and we have been bitten by just recompiling breaking things
[11:41] <apw> i will try and get a specific kernel with those atheros patches today for you to test at least
[11:42] <eagles0513875> im trying the preproposed as you mentioned above if that containes the 38.3 fixes
[11:42] <eagles0513875> i dont think kde 4.6 is ready for prime time though im getting crashes left right and center
[11:44] <apw> you are 64 bit yes ?
[11:44] <eagles0513875> all im noticing right now somethign is seriously up with networking stack all of a sudden here :-/
[11:44] <eagles0513875> yep
[11:44] <eagles0513875> maverick 64bit is rock solid
[11:44] <eagles0513875> is the pre proposed up or down?
[11:44] <eagles0513875> i ran apt-get update and im getting an error no address associated with hostename
[11:48] <apw> eagles0513875, was there when i looked just now
[11:49] <eagles0513875> ok let me reboot im having some connectivity issues
[11:58] <eagles0513875> now for the moment of testing truth
[11:58] <eagles0513875> apw: what i did find funny in testing
[11:58] <eagles0513875> if i leave my wired network plugged in and then connect to wpa2 connection it doesnt kernel panic
[12:00] <apw> eagles0513875, odd indeed
[12:00] <eagles0513875> now knetworkmanager is crashing non stop for me
[12:00] <eagles0513875> woohoo
[12:05] <eagles0513875> apw: ill keep working on this later im off for lunch for now
[12:44] <apw> eagles0513875, can you test http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp762496-natty/ and report back
[12:44]  * apw drops for a bit
[12:58] <M_gerorge> hi.. i have written code to copy data from kernel to user space.. But its not showin the required output.. :(  code is on http://paste.ubuntu.com/595486/       ..... please suggest..
[13:08] <fairuz> M_gerorge: hmm.. to copy from or to user space you should use write and read function
[13:09] <fairuz> module_init will only be called once when you insert the module using insmod
[13:10] <M_gerorge> fairuz: ok.. but i have written these copy_[to/from]_user functions in read and write but they are still not called..
[13:10] <fairuz> you have to have a write and read function in kernel space too!
[13:10] <fairuz> it's not magic :D
[13:11] <M_gerorge> fairuz: :D.... but copy_to/from_user are inbuilt or not?
[13:11] <M_gerorge> :p
[13:12] <fairuz> M_gerorge: Yes, but how you will call it from user space?
[13:12] <M_gerorge> fairuz: yes.. this is the basic which i am not getting. can you please tell me how can i explore about this more?
[13:13] <fairuz> M_gerorge: For me, a simple module needs to have at least 4 functions
[13:13] <fairuz> init, exit, write and read
[13:14] <fairuz> hmm and also, open and release functions
[13:14] <M_gerorge> fairuz:yes..  as i am running the scull driver example it is simply loaded and exited.. but how can i use the functions scull_read and scull_write?
[13:14] <fairuz> You need to have a device nod
[13:15] <M_gerorge> fairuz: is this the dev_t *dev?
[13:15] <fairuz> M_gerorge: no.. something like /dev/mydevice
[13:15] <fairuz> it's a file that you create with mknod
[13:16] <M_gerorge> fairuz: ok .. i can do this.. then what to do next?..
[13:16] <M_gerorge> :P
[13:16] <fairuz> hmm.. wait, I give a link
[13:16] <fairuz> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/drivers_linux?page=0%2C0
[13:17] <fairuz> follow the tutorial here and come back if you encounter some problems :D
[13:18] <M_gerorge> fairuz: thanks a lot and i used this tutorial also. but not get my answer.. :(
[13:18] <M_gerorge> fairuz: in this the dev/memory is created
[13:18] <M_gerorge> but how to use the memory_read and memory_write function?.. :(
[13:19] <fairuz> Ok, I'll explain. (but remember that I'm not an expert myself and maybe it's a bit off course) :D
[13:20] <M_gerorge> fairuz: it wil be my pleasure to be taught by you..:)
[13:20] <fairuz> M_gerorge: Are you sure you followed the tutorial? I dont see any major number in your code
[13:21] <M_gerorge> fairuz: yes.. actually thats is the normal code i wrote myself to use copy_functions
[13:21] <M_gerorge> fairuz: can i paste the other codes? :p
[13:22] <fairuz> to pastebin, sure :D
[13:22] <M_gerorge> thanks.. let me do this
[13:24] <M_gerorge> fairuz: please see http://paste.ubuntu.com/595492/
[13:25] <fairuz> M_gerorge: if you are new to device drivers, I afraid that's maybe a little bit complicated?
[13:25] <M_gerorge> fairuz: i will try my best to understand
[13:26] <fairuz> M_gerorge: Can you follow the memory device driver tutorial I gave you?
[13:27] <M_gerorge> fairuz: yes..
[13:27] <fairuz> Come back to me if there are something that you don't understand
[13:30] <M_gerorge> fairuz: i read it and understood it completely.. :p.. but it doesnt gave how to access the memory_read and memory_write functions.. :(..  while doing "echo -n abcdef >/dev/memory" and "cat...." these commands doesn't use these memory_read and write too... :(
[13:30] <fairuz> of course it does :D
[13:31] <fairuz> when you create a module, you associated a major number to it
[13:31] <fairuz> let say 70
[13:31] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:31] <fairuz> And apart from that
[13:31] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:31] <fairuz> you need to create a device nod using the same major number
[13:31] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:31] <fairuz> let say /dev/mydev
[13:32] <fairuz> so in your module, normally you specify the file operations struct
[13:32] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:32] <fairuz> e.g struct file_operations pmnc_fops = {
[13:32] <fairuz> 	write:  pmnc_write,
[13:32] <fairuz> 	open:	pmnc_open,
[13:32] <fairuz> 	release:pmnc_release,
[13:32] <fairuz> 	unlocked_ioctl: device_ioctl
[13:32] <fairuz> };
[13:32] <fairuz> so from user space
[13:33] <fairuz> when you write to the device nod, it's like you call the write function in the module
[13:33] <fairuz> e.g when you do echo "123" > /dev/mydev
[13:33] <M_gerorge> fairuz: ok.... :p
[13:34] <fairuz> in the backend, it will call the write function of your module with "123"'s pointer as it's buffer
[13:34] <M_gerorge> ok..
[13:34] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:34] <M_gerorge> and same with the "
[13:35] <M_gerorge> "cat ..." it calls the read function
[13:35] <M_gerorge> :P
[13:35] <fairuz> for read, it's the same principals
[13:35] <fairuz> yes
[13:35] <fairuz> that is in command line
[13:35] <fairuz> but if you want to use it user space program
[13:35] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:35] <fairuz> you can open /dev/mydev like normal files
[13:36] <fairuz> that use fread and fwrite functions
[13:36] <M_gerorge> ok...
[13:36] <M_gerorge> fairuz: now one issue i found that i added printk lines for debugging.. and they dont get printed..
[13:37] <M_gerorge> so i concluded that these functions are not called.. :P
[13:37] <fairuz> if you do dmesg | tail
[13:37] <M_gerorge> yes
[13:37] <fairuz> you will found them :D
[13:37] <M_gerorge> means in "/var/log/message"
[13:37] <M_gerorge> ?
[13:37] <fairuz> or tail /var/log/messages
[13:38] <M_gerorge> yes.. i dint find them in that.. :p
[13:38] <M_gerorge> but i may be wrong.. i will check once more
[13:38] <M_gerorge> fairuz: let me check once more this
[13:38] <M_gerorge> printk commands
[13:38] <fairuz> M_gerorge: ok
[13:38] <fairuz> use pr_info instead
[13:39] <fairuz> :D
[13:39] <M_gerorge> ok. thanks.. :).. let me try
[13:39] <M_gerorge> :P
[13:48] <M_gerorge> fairuz: it's called and shown too..
[13:49] <fairuz> nice
[13:49] <M_gerorge> fairuz: thanks a lot for giving me your precious time... :p
[13:50] <M_gerorge> fairuz: will come back to you if i will have more problems.. :D..
[13:52] <M_gerorge> fairuz: good bye...
[15:22] <JFo> rebooting for updates... brb
[17:03] <tgardner> ogra_, linux-meta-ti-omap4 <IP_ADDRESS>8.7 accepted
[17:03] <ogra_> tgardner, awesome !
[17:41] <JFo> there may be an issue with either apport or ubuntu-but (I assume this is apport too?) as shown in bug 764341 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/764341
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764341 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/net/sched/sch_generic.c:256 dev_watchdog+0x213/0x220()" [Medium,Incomplete]
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764341 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/net/sched/sch_generic.c:256 dev_watchdog+0x213/0x220()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764341
[17:41] <JFo> oh good, the bot is back :)
[17:45] <cking> who feeds and tends the bot?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> nobody, apparently. Thus it goes off on its own? ;-)
[18:08] <JFo> tgardner, ever seen this? bug 764273
[18:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764273 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/ubuntu/aufs/plink.c:450 au_plink_put 0x4c/0xa0 aufs " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764273
[18:09] <tgardner> JFo, I'm wondering why aufs is even loaded?
[18:10] <JFo> *shrug
[18:10] <JFo> unless he needs it for whatever he is building (mozilla maintainer)
[18:11] <JFo> I confess I know next to nothing about aufs
[18:11] <JFo> tgardner,: <JFo> micahg, that plink error you reported against the kernel... it happens every time the chroot is destroyed?<micahg> JFo: yes, but I think it might be related to being in /dev/shm
[18:12] <tgardner> JFo, well, that makes two of us. apw is a bit more familiar with it.
[18:12] <JFo> heh
[18:13] <tgardner> JFo, he's not even running our bits: aufs 2.1-standalone.tree-38-rcN-20110207
[18:14] <JFo> hmmm
[18:14] <tgardner> JFo, the file that the WARNING is coming from is only 396 lines in our version
[18:16] <JFo> tgardner, <micahg> JFo: well, jdstrand added a way to use sbuild in /dev/shm, so I thought I'd try it
[18:16] <JFo> he says he is using the latest kernel: <micahg> JFo: 2.6.38-8.42
[18:16] <jdstrand> uhh, I certainly am not using any other code. all I do is put the sbuild overlay in /dev/shm somewhere
[18:16] <JFo> but where would he have gotten that aufs?
[18:17] <JFo> jdstrand, I think the aufs may be the issue
[18:17] <JFo> but no more than I know... that is like saying the stars are made of really hot cheese
[18:31] <apw_> eagles0513875: did that kernel work?
[18:33] <apw_> bah got bounced
[18:39] <JFo> dang, where has the day gone?
[18:39] <JFo> <-lunch
[18:40] <apw_> it's hiding in the shadowes
[18:43] <tgardner> apw: I was just checking our aufs bits. The SHA1 in the BOM doesn't appear to be valid in the upstream repo.
[18:44] <apw_> will cjeck it out shortly, there is an algo, and two repos to che k
[18:45]  * smb imagines apw_ trying to hit the softkeys while humping along...
[18:45] <cking> the mind boggles
[18:45] <apw_> yep not as easy as it could be, br in front of a stationary one shortly
[18:46] <tgardner> apw: are you someplace weird?
[18:46] <cking> he was in France earlier
[18:46] <tgardner> cking, oh, a train?
[18:46] <smb> I guess a british trains counts as weird...
[18:46] <apw_> on a train for the next half or so
[18:47] <tgardner> apw: ah, well it can wait.
[18:47] <apw_> yep woll look shortly
[19:03]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:07] <eagles0513875> apw: hey quick question where can i download a newer version of knetwork manager
[19:20]  * bjf -> lunch
[19:49] <apw> JFo, that bug is mean to be removed from our kernel
[19:49] <apw> (as in the message)
[19:49] <JFo> apw, which?
[19:50] <apw> JFo, the plink one
[19:50] <apw> unless i messed up the kernel update last time
[19:52] <JFo> ok, anything in particular I need to do to it?
[19:52] <JFo> or wait and see?
[19:57] <apw> JFo, oh its a different one, hrm
[19:57] <JFo> :)
[19:58] <JFo> I'm on a full pot of coffee it could have been anyth.... OMG pwnies!
[20:00] <apw> JFo, heh i bet
[20:00] <JFo> :)
[20:00]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:00] <JFo> the sad part is, I didn't realize I drank the whole thing until I went for another refill :-/
[20:03] <apw> ok tgardner this version of aufs seems to be the one in the tree i have; it seems to be a few commits behind which i can look over for sru but it does correspond
[20:04] <tgardner> apw: you're looking at bug #764273 ?
[20:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764273 in linux "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/ubuntu/aufs/plink.c:450 au_plink_put 0x4c/0xa0 aufs " [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764273
[20:05] <apw> well i was answering your previous comment that the BOM commit id didn't exist
[20:05] <apw> (which i contend it does) and that WARN_ON seems to be on that line in the natty source
[20:06] <tgardner> apw: hmm, then one of us is doing drugs.
[20:07] <apw> COMMIT: 65835da20b77c98fb538c9114fc31f5de1328230
[20:07] <apw> is in the BOM
[20:08] <tgardner> apw: agreed.
[20:08] <tgardner> rtg@lochsa:~/proj/linux/aufs2-standalone$ git log -p 65835da20b77c98fb538c9114fc31f5de1328230
[20:08] <tgardner> fatal: bad object 65835da20b77c98fb538c9114fc31f5de1328230
[20:08] <apw> commit 65835da20b77c98fb538c9114fc31f5de1328230
[20:08] <apw> Author: J. R. Okajima<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:08] <apw> Date:   Thu Feb 3 04:46:48 2011 +0900
[20:08] <apw>     aufs: possible bugfix, exclude the freeing file
[20:08] <apw> ahh yes, its not a direct commit id in that tree
[20:08] <apw> its the commit id as listed in the Changelog
[20:09] <apw> which is the id in the aufs main tree that the commit in the standalone tree was made from
[20:10] <tgardner> apw: ok, I'll take your word for it. the real issue is that I don't think he's running _our_ version of aufs. 'WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/ubuntu/aufs/plink.c:450 au_plink_put+0x4c/0xa0 [aufs]()' references a line number that doesn't exist.
[20:10] <apw> tgardner, the problem is that the primary tree is increadibly slow
[20:11] <apw> tgardner, in my tree here this is the plink.c:450 which look plausable
[20:11] <apw>         WARN(verbose && !list_empty(plink_list), "pseudo-link is not flushed");
[20:11] <apw> and the panic information looks like its 8.42
[20:11] <tgardner> apw: ya know, I might have been on the wrong branch. shit.
[20:12] <apw> heh happens to the best of us
[20:12] <cking> more coffee required methinks
[20:13] <apw> maybe soo indeed
[20:13] <JFo> none for me thanks...
[20:13]  * JFo has the jitters
[20:16]  * apw slaps JFo ...
[20:16]  * JFo jumps 10 feet in the air
[20:16] <JFo> :)
[20:17] <apw> now that i want on youtube
[20:19] <JFo> heh
[20:21] <cking> dear bisected kernel, please don't misbehave, it makes bisecting very difficult...
[20:21] <apw> cking, i hate those days
[20:22] <cking> just when you think you've cornered it, it jumps out of reach
[20:40] <JFo> do we care about bug 763656 or should that go to skype?
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 763656 in linux "general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/763656
[20:40] <JFo> since they were installing skype when it happened
[20:40] <apw> well there is little we can actually do about it
[20:41] <JFo> I thought that might be the case
[21:39]  * JFo needs a bit of a break: bbiab
[22:20] <bjf> JFo, i've submitted a merge request for apport changes which remove all the user-input from the linux source package-hooks
[22:20] <bjf> pgraner, ^
[22:20] <bjf> JFo, pgraner bug #765178
[22:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 765178 in apport "remove user-input questions from linux source package hooks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/765178
[22:28] <pgraner> bjf, ack
[22:29] <bjf> pgraner, by the way *I HATE BZR*
[22:29] <pgraner> bjf, :-D
[22:40] <JFo> ok


[06:43] <alkisg> highvoltage: the new epoptes bugfixing release is available in precise, in debian and in our ppa, so it's a good time for us to do that blog post you wanted - no hurries of course
[09:24] <highvoltage> alkisg: whohoo! great :)


[00:25] <popey> happy birthday AlanBell
[06:18] <czajkowski> gord: :(
[06:20] <czajkowski> will not be online today, at the hospital wth the bf getting his tonsils out, anyone looking for me email me
[06:21] <AlanBell> thanks popey
[06:21] <AlanBell> I am 6^2 now
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> happy b'day AlanBell :)
[06:42] <AlanBell> thanks
[06:43] <AlanBell> wife just came down and asked if there was anything interesting happening on facebook
[06:43] <AlanBell> "apparently it is my birthday"
[06:43] <AlanBell> "oh yeah, happy birthday"
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> hahaha :)
[08:24] <diplo> Morning all
[09:00] <selinuxium> HELP! :)
[09:00] <JGJones> selinuxium, Hi it look like you're trying to type a letter, can I help?
[09:01] <selinuxium> Trying to start up PC today and the encrypted drive is unmounted.
[09:01] <selinuxium> encrypt-mount-private does nothing..
[09:01] <daubers> selinuxium: Encrypted using the installer?
[09:02] <selinuxium> Not sure if an update may of borked something
[09:02] <selinuxium> hey daubers, yup
[09:02] <JGJones> selinuxium, encrypted home?
[09:02] <selinuxium> JGJones: yup
[09:02] <JGJones> you get any output with encrypt-mount-private?
[09:04] <selinuxium> in home only two files... a README.txt and an Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop
[09:04] <selinuxium> JGJones: non at all...
[09:04] <selinuxium> JGJones: unless I run a root...
[09:05] <selinuxium> if run as root I get Inserted auth token XXXXXXXXXX into the user session keyring and an fopen
[09:06] <JGJones> Did you save the original passphase when setting up the encrypted home?
[09:06] <selinuxium> Oh.... Sorry... Morning everyone!  :)
[09:11] <DJones> Morning all
[09:13] <selinuxium> Morning DJones
[09:14] <selinuxium> you got any experience with encrypted home parts not mounting at boot?
[09:14] <JGJones> selinuxium, <JGJones> Did you save the original passphase when setting up the encrypted home?
[09:15] <selinuxium> JGJones: Emailed it to myself..
[09:15] <popey> Morning all!
[09:17] <selinuxium> hey popey
[09:17] <selinuxium> o/
[09:19] <JGJones> selinuxium, you're saying that when you run ecryptfs-mount-private in terminal, it doesn't even ask you for the password?
[09:20] <selinuxium> JGJones: nope..
[09:27] <JGJones> hmm - you should be prompted for a password when running that command.
[09:28] <JGJones> I assume you've rebooted just in case?
[09:30] <selinuxium> JGJones: several times...
[09:30] <selinuxium> Not too much on this PC..
[09:31] <JGJones> You can boot into a LiveCD/USB and recover your encrypted home
[09:32] <selinuxium> Happy to just flatten and start again, but would like to be able to find out how to fix... :)
[09:33] <selinuxium> JGJones: recovering it? or just be able to read it?
[09:33] <JGJones> selinuxium, reading it
[09:33] <JGJones> there's a guide you could follow for reading it in a LiveCD - http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-mounting-your-encrypted-home-from-livecd/
[09:34] <JGJones> I would try reinstalling ecryptfs-utils?
[09:35] <JGJones> hang on, did you try ecryptfs-recover-private?
[09:36] <selinuxium> JGJones: nope...
[09:36] <JGJones> you'll need to run that command as root
[09:36] <JGJones> it'll search for encrypted private directories
[09:36] <selinuxium> OK.. :) running it atm.
[09:37] <selinuxium> tum te tum tum tum.....
[09:44] <selinuxium> JGJones: Unwrapping passphrase and inserting into the user session keyring failed [-5]   :/
[09:47] <JGJones> so ecryptfs-recover-private did find your encrypted home and prompted your for your login passphase?
[09:49] <JGJones> or did you use your mount passphase (that's the random string of alphanumeric characters)?
[09:49] <selinuxium> JGJones: yup.. GOing to check to see if I have any othedrs knocking about...
[09:50] <JGJones> selinuxium, I just wanted to clear up - which passphase did you use?
[09:50] <JGJones> mount passphase or login password?
[09:53] <selinuxium> JGJones: passphrase
[09:53] <JGJones> did you try your login password?
[09:53] <selinuxium> JGJones: nope.
[09:53] <selinuxium> oh...
[09:53] <selinuxium> numpty!
[09:54] <JGJones> the error message was saying unwrapping passphrase - it have your mount passphrase as I understand it and you need login password to continue
[09:55] <selinuxium> JGJones: Private data mounted read-only at /tmp/ecryptfs.XXXXXX   :)
[09:55] <selinuxium> going for a reboot and see... :)
[09:55] <JGJones> lovely - at least your data's not screwed - obviously it's time to find out why it's not doing it at boot.
[09:56] <selinuxium> all data available in the /tmp directory
[10:01] <JGJones> oh - what's missing?
[10:02] <JGJones> ....
[10:02]  * JGJones slaps self...
[10:02] <JGJones> need to read properly
[10:02] <JGJones> ALL data available - not Some data available.
[10:05] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:13] <BigRedS> Hello
[10:15] <JGJones> selinuxium, did a reboot work alright?
[10:23] <selinuxium> JGJones: nope... Stil same issue...
[10:23] <selinuxium> Interesting... May just get data off and rebuild... :)
[10:24] <JGJones> try reinstalling ecryptfs-utils
[10:24] <JGJones> apt-get --reinstall install ecryptfs-utils
[10:25] <selinuxium> JGJones: think that will be the next step..
[10:36] <selinuxium> JGJones: THat worked! :)
[10:37] <selinuxium> JGJones: very strange, but learnt lots about ecrypt I didn't know....  I'm writing another blog post, but the task I'm doing for that one is taking some time :)
[11:03] <davmor2> daubers: ah you're trying to print something right ;)
[11:03] <daubers> davmor2: heh, you joke, but it took me 15 minutes to get the office printer installed on the blasted thing
[11:04] <davmor2> daubers: haha
[11:04] <daubers> It discovered the network printer easily, but doesn't bother automatically sorting the driver. Asks me to select it from a list which doesn't contain it, then click a button to try and find it on Win Update, 5 minutes of waiting and then go through the list again to find it
[11:05] <daubers> In ubuntu it was just "Goto the printers setting box, click add, it appears in the list, click ok, it works"
[11:05] <davmor2> daubers: at least you found it I had one where I did all that and it still didn't show up so off the the manufacturers website I went and got it manually no fun at all
[11:05] <daubers> davmor2: Rubbish
[11:06] <davmor2> daubers: what that you have to use windows or it's no fun at all tracking down drivers :D
[11:06] <daubers> the second part :p
[11:07] <daubers> Most of the stuff I do everyday is now platform agnostic, so I haven't really noticed that much getting in my way
[11:08] <davmor2> daubers: the best is if you have a generic piece of hardware (like a webcam) and windows say oh I know what that is, says it works and it does and you can't persuade it different and can't find the driver details on the supermarkets web site and no info on Google that's real fun
[11:09] <davmor2> daubers: can you tell I used to fix pc's for a while?
[11:10] <daubers> davmor2: Just a tad
[11:11] <davmor2> it doesn't work even
[11:12] <daubers> Hmmm
[11:12] <daubers> May have to switch USB stick suppliers, these ones are twice as slow as the last batch :(
[11:13] <davmor2> daubers: no the last batch you were using linux it's windows that is slow ;)
[11:13] <daubers> davmor2: These are in linux :) Can't use windows at work, _everything_ is linux based in the workshop
[11:15] <davmor2> haha
[11:30] <popey> daubers: just writing it up :D
[11:30] <daubers> popey: Fair enough
[11:30] <popey> its a lot to write up
[11:30] <popey> so I am doing it in one place :D
[11:30] <daubers> popey: If you've got mroe than 3disks in there, then I'd suspect the slow bit to be your network (depending on RAID mode)
[11:31] <popey> nope, not network bottleneck
[11:31] <popey> this is all local IO
[11:31] <daubers> Desktop grade drives?
[11:31] <popey> its got 8 disks (9 if you include the boot disk)
[11:31] <popey> yes
[11:31] <daubers> RAID 5?
[11:31] <popey> no
[11:31] <popey> 10
[11:31] <daubers> Urgh
[11:31] <daubers> There's your problem :)
[11:32] <oimon> i've never known software raid not to suck
[11:34]  * popey wonders whether more useful information is to follow
[11:34] <daubers> popey: You have 2 4 disk stripes mirrored?
[11:34] <Laney> my software raid does not suck
[11:34] <Laney> there, now you know
[11:34] <popey> Mine doesn't suck, I just wonder if I can do better
[11:34] <daubers> popey: Also what size disks?
[11:34] <oimon> and RPM
[11:35] <popey> 2x2TB and 4x500G
[11:35] <daubers> Urgh, that will also cause problems
[11:36] <popey> sorry
[11:36] <popey> 4x2TB and 4x500G
[11:36] <popey> 4x2TB is md0, 4x500G is md1
[11:36] <popey> md0 and md1 are one giant lvm
[11:37] <daubers> So they're concatenated?
[11:37] <popey> however md1 is new to the mix so very little io there as lvm uses the md0 disks first
[11:37] <daubers> popey: So I'd suspect you get maybe ... 90 MB/s?
[11:38] <oimon> popey: what speed RPM are the disks?
[11:38] <daubers> Streaming
[11:38] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/49022/how-do-i-improve-my-server-disk-performance/612
[11:38] <popey> oimon: one sec
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/009jul05/features/lvm2/#fig-striped ?
[11:39] <popey> trying to figure out
[11:39] <popey> I'd rather not run smartctl against them
[11:39] <popey> any other way to find out
[11:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I'd avoid that on mismatched drive sizes
[11:40] <daubers> popey: Create a big file from /dev/zero with dd
[11:40] <daubers> It will give you speeds :)
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: check /sys for serial numbers, look up on manufactuerer's website
[11:41] <popey> yeah, rummaging
[11:46] <daubers> popey: Ideally in your situation, I'd move the 2TB drives into a RAID5. Depending on the file size I'd set the stripe width to something between 128k and 256k and I'd setup ext4 with the stripe-width option to match
[11:46] <popey> I switched from RAID5 to RAID10 because I was led to believe that write performance was better
[11:46] <daubers> I'd then rsync mirror that onto the external box, as that will be limited in performance to a single SATA channel (i.e. the esata link)
[11:47] <daubers> I'd be surprised by that, as for every write to the block device you're doing two write (i.e. one to raid0 1 and one to raid0 2)
[11:48] <daubers> If you're using it as a metadata controller for a san where the writes a maybe a couple of blocks in length, then I'd agree.
[11:48] <popey> how can I tell what stripe width is currently in use?
[11:49] <daubers> should say in mdstat
[11:49] <popey> 64K
[11:49] <popey> I take it that's the default?
[11:49] <daubers> Yep, whats the average file size you're copying?
[11:49] <popey> no idea
[11:49] <popey> lots of small files though
[11:50] <daubers> small as in less than 1MB or less than 100MB?
[11:50] <popey> less than 1M
[11:50] <daubers> (small for me is less than 1GB_
[11:50] <popey> this is a home server
[11:50] <popey> not a corp san
[11:50] <daubers> 64k should be ok then.
[11:51] <popey> so 4x2TB as RAID5, not 6?
[11:51] <daubers> I'd RAID 5 it, there's little performance difference between 5 and 6, but in that setup you would be better off with raid 5 for capacity
[11:51] <oimon> i used a program called iozone to map my drive performance. you can then graph the results. e.g. http://ubuntuone.com/p/zUW/
[11:52] <daubers> popey: There's also a lovely program called dstat which will give you a MB/s count (on screen and to a file)
[11:54] <daubers> popey: OOI, whats the total size of all the data that's being copied?
[11:54] <BigRedS> it'd be nuice if ubuntu one links preserved file extensions
[11:54] <oimon> yep...it's an ODS file
[11:54] <popey> ~700GB
[11:54] <popey> BigRedS: preserved it here
[11:54] <oimon> you don't know until you click it though
[11:55] <BigRedS> popey: no, I mean in the link itself, so oimon's link becomes http://ubuntuone.com/p/zUW.xls
[11:55] <popey> not for me it doesnt
[11:55] <daubers> popey: You're using rsync to copy?
[11:55] <BigRedS> so before clicking on it I'd know OOo is going to try to run away with all my memory
[11:55] <popey> daubers: cp
[11:55] <X3N_> which virtual machine software is favoured these days?
[11:55] <popey> virtualbox
[11:56] <X3N_> cheers
[11:56] <daubers> popey: You're achieving about 99.5MB/s, which is close to the theoretical cap of what 2 desktop drives in a stripe could do in that situation
[11:57] <daubers> allow about 50MB/s per desktop drive
[11:57] <popey> hmm
[11:57] <daubers> popey: Move it into RAID5 and you should get about 50MB/s more
[11:58] <popey> heh
[11:58] <popey> thats going to be fun :D
[11:58] <popey> moving it all about
[11:58] <daubers> popey: This does depend on the speed you can read the data off the source drives though :)
[11:58] <Daviey> sustained 90.5MB/s shouldn't be sniffed at.
[11:58] <Daviey> err 99*
[11:58] <popey> source drives?
[11:58] <popey> it's cp
[11:58] <popey> from dir to dir on same disks
[11:59] <daubers> popey: Ah! In that case it's even worse than that :) Certainly in that scenario you really shouldn't sniff at the performance you're getting
[11:59]  * oimon wonders if MooDoo is awake
[11:59] <popey> hah
[11:59] <popey> hmm, i could fail out half the raid 0 to make two disks available
[11:59] <Daviey> I find that if i benchmark writes to /dev/null, it blows the water out of /dev/sda
[11:59] <popey> and make a degraded raid 5 from two 2TB
[12:00] <daubers> reading+writing on the same drives _really_ hurts any spinny disk system
[12:00] <popey> then move the data over and expand when done
[12:01] <popey> or just leave as is, if this is the best I can expect
[12:01] <popey> 10K RPM drives help?
[12:01] <daubers> popey: I'd leave as it. 10K drives will help, SSD will help even more :)
[12:02] <popey> yeah, 2TB SSD...
[12:02] <popey> not that I'm using all that space
[12:02]  * daubers was happily pulling 1.5GB/s from an 8 disk raid 5 with SSD's last week
[12:02] <daubers> popey: The other thing you could do is use rsync, so you're not copying files that haven't changed
[12:03] <popey> thats not technically possible I dont think
[12:03] <daubers> Why not?
[12:03] <popey> its a clean copy
[12:03] <daubers> You copy the files then blat the other directory?
[12:03] <popey> _I_ don't do this
[12:03] <popey> rsnapshot does
[12:03] <popey> and no, thats not quite how it works
[12:04] <daubers> Hmmm
[12:04] <daubers> so you're using rsnapshot into a dir, then making a copy of that dir?
[12:05] <popey> no
[12:05] <popey> rsnapshot is a wrapper around rsync/cp
[12:05] <daubers> workflow is fun
[12:06] <popey> http://rsnapshot.org/screenshots.html
[12:06] <popey> :D
[12:06] <popey> note cp -al
[12:07] <popey> uses hard links so you're not copying all files every time
[12:07] <popey> and rsync ensures you're not transferring all files every time
[12:08] <daubers> Ah! Now I think I understand
[12:10] <daubers> Yeah, that cp will be your bottleneck in rsnapshot. If you want to get a true idea of what you're disks can supply you with, then you'd need to benchmark one disk in the set and multiply up. Generally desktop drives are between 50/60MB/s
[12:11] <daubers> Any idea what chipset the server uses?
[12:11] <popey> yes, see the askubuntu thing
[12:11] <popey> at the bottom
[12:11] <daubers> I mean North/South bridge
[12:11] <popey> oh, uhm
[12:12] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/627905/
[12:12] <daubers> That'll define how many pci-e (or equiv) lanes are going to your sata controller
[12:12] <popey> 00:11.0 SATA controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB700/SB800 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
[12:12] <popey> thats the internal one
[12:12] <popey> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01)
[12:12] <popey> thats the external one
[12:13] <shauno> why does "ATI [...] SATA Controller" still look so wrong
[12:13] <daubers> AMD RS785E/SB820M chipset
[12:13] <shauno> (not saying it's wrong, it just looks jarring)
[12:16] <popey> when that cp is running (which it is now because I have rsnapshot run at midday [also, yay, lunch]) I can't even get an ls in a reasonable time
[12:17] <popey> more RAM might help I guess?
[12:17] <popey> disk cache
[12:17] <popey> Mem:   1925784k total,  1901548k used,    24236k free,   952244k buffers
[12:17] <popey> Swap:  3905528k total,    12868k used,  3892660k free,    19772k cached
[12:18] <daubers> without a block diagram I'd be tempted to say the most you can expect from that would be 250MB/s (one pci-e 1.1 lane)
[12:18] <daubers> more ram will help the ls
[12:18] <popey> I also try to stream video from it
[12:18] <popey> its my get_iplayer box
[12:19] <popey> and that struggles when an rsnapshot kicks in
[12:19] <daubers> Yeah, you'll hit the iops limits of the spinny disks
[12:19] <popey> so it ends up doing the backup near constantly
[12:20] <popey> as soon as one finishes, the next is ready to start
[12:20] <popey> the pitfalls of a low powered server :D
[12:21] <daubers> popey: To improve that I'd use you're external box as the get_iplayer repo
[12:21] <daubers> As a seperate volume
[12:21] <popey> good call
[12:21] <daubers> I'd also see if you can nice down the rsnapshot during the day, or just let it run at night when you're less likely to be using it for streaming vids
[12:22] <popey> good call
[12:22]  * popey modifies his cron job
[12:23] <daubers> Otherwise, the only way to improve it's performance is more ram, better proc, SSD's etc. You might get a bit more by tweaking the ext4 stripe_width settings, but it won't do miracles
[12:23] <oimon> we have horrendous problems deleted bazillions of tiny files
[12:23] <popey> ta
[12:24] <bigcalm> popey: superhub replaced, v+ box replaced \o/
[12:24] <popey> yay
[12:24] <bigcalm> Bloke couldn't find anything wrong though
[12:24] <oimon> we run snapshots with hard linking too, sometimes takes days to reduce the number of files
[12:25] <popey> nice -n19 should do it
[12:37] <bigcalm_> Meh, locked myself out of the router's web interface. Silly me
[12:43] <andylockran> guys - anyone done much work on xml + xslt in IE?
[12:56] <bigcalm> If the superhub didn't reboot every time I added a mac/ip pair, this wouldn't be so messy
[12:57] <s-fox> andylockran,  Some experience, why?
[13:18] <andylockran> s-fox: IE is returning the transformed XML as a string, whereas firefox returns it as a document fragment
[13:21] <oimon> just tried the tweetdeck app inside chrome...ugh :(
[13:37] <Oli``> popey: I had a play around and posted an answer on your AU question.
[13:39] <popey> nice
[13:39] <popey> thanks!
[13:40]  * popey times writing to the disk that isnt in the array first
[13:44] <popey> 52s :D
[13:44] <popey> whilst an rsnapshot is running
[13:45] <Oli``> Probably not the fairest of test
[13:46] <Oli``> mdadm does seem to have some odd defaults... Unless they're there for a reason I don't yet understand.
[13:47] <popey> box only has 2GB RAM
[13:47] <popey> I have 8GB here I'm memtesting in another server which I'll put in later
[13:48] <Oli``> I only have 6GB in this at the moment (with a desktop running on it too) so that might be enough to boost the caches right up.
[13:48] <Oli``> popey: it's an Atom, isn't it?
[13:48] <popey> AMD
[13:48] <popey> similar though
[13:48] <popey> laptop cpu
[13:55] <popey> hmm, only 4GB here, not 8GB
[13:55] <popey> ah well
[14:00]  * bigcalm returns from lunch to find his 'net connection still up
[14:00] <bigcalm> So far, so good
[14:01] <popey> :D
[14:01] <selinuxium> Hmmm these seem interesting... http://www.businessdirect.bt.com/products/seagate-500gb-momentusxt-hybrid-sata-300-2-5--7200rpm-32mb-70JK.html?utm_source=retention+email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=I900&utm_campaign=email140611
[14:01] <selinuxium> Sorry, should of cut the crap off the back of that URL
[14:02] <Oli``> selinuxium: gets fairly mediocre reviews http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/hard-disks/360301/seagate-momentus-xt-500gb
[14:03] <selinuxium> Hmm... Saw some benchmarking and it looked good..
[14:03] <Oli``> Although TechRadar were backflipping in joy by the end of their review: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-components/storage/disk-drives-hdd-ssd-/seagate-momentus-xt-500gb-710193/review
[14:05] <selinuxium> Could imagine a couple raided in a Media PC would be pretty sweet...
[14:06] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to put an SSD in my laptop to double the speed of it.
[14:07]  * dwatkins looks into hybrid drives as well
[14:07] <popey> bah
[14:07] <Oli``> If you had space for 2 2.5" disks, I'd go with a pure SSD and a pure mechanical. Much more predictable performance.
[14:07] <popey> unetbootin made a usb stick that wont do memtest
[14:08]  * popey tries a memtest usb thing
[14:09] <dwatkins> memtest is tiny, I think I have a 512 MB USB stick somewhere... ;)
[14:09] <popey> sorted
[14:09] <popey> its running now
[14:10] <popey> if it passes I'll put that ram in my microserver
[14:11] <Oli``> memtest would actually fit within 512 KB. It's only 160KB + boot overhead
[14:13] <popey> Oli``: that dd takes 8 seconds when the box is fairly idle
[14:14] <popey> stripe_cache_size doesnt exist here
[14:16] <Oli``> popey: Sounds like sequential write is bombing along nicely then
[14:16] <popey> yeah
[14:16] <popey> I'll have a google through some of those settings
[14:17] <popey> earlier daubers did some calculations here and seemed to think I'm getting expected throughput for non-enterprise 7200rpm drives
[14:18] <Oli``> 120MB/s on RAID10 is 60MB/s per pair so yeah, I guess that isn't terrible but it's not great.
[14:20] <Daviey> popey: Please write a blog post about this!
[14:20] <daubers> Oli``: popey isn't doing straight streaming reads, he's read/writing from the same volume. So what he's getting is relativley good for a software RAID10
[14:21] <daubers> Oli``: the copy in the post seems to be writing at ~90MB/s to the volume (so 90MB/s to each pair of drives simultaniously as well as reading the stuff from the disk) so it's pretty good
[14:22] <oimon> usually i get better results writing over the network than from disk-disk
[14:23] <daubers> oimon: One disk to a second disk (either over network or seperate physical disk) is always quicker than a copy from the disk to the same disk. Less head movement required in the first instance
[14:24] <popey> Daviey: which bit?
[14:25] <popey> ooo, need to go buy wifeys birthday pressie
[14:25] <oimon> ubuntu earrings?
[14:25]  * daubers needs to get a birthday card for his wife on the way home
[14:25] <daubers> already booked a party at pizza hut for tomorrow evening \o/
[14:25] <gord> i don'ti have a new theory, no one is allowed to complain about missing/moved/hidden system trays in linux until they have had to code something that implements it =\
[14:25] <davmor2> popey: that should now be the number one priority for you
[14:27] <JGJones> daubers, a question for you re your 30 days with Windows...it's Windows 7 yes? Does it solve that annoying problem with USB where if I plug in a USB device...say a mouse into 1 port of USB, it'll say it's looking for driver and then it's ready...there's a delay...
[14:27] <JGJones> and then other time you put in mouse again...but into a different usb port and does the whole installing driver crap all over again?
[14:27] <daubers> JGJones: no, it still does that
[14:27] <JGJones> Worse with printers - get Printer, Printer (Copy), Printer (copy 2) etc?
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> how annoying
[14:27] <JGJones> sigh.
[14:28] <oimon> lol
[14:28] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, I get it all the time on a laptop with Windows...ok NOT that annoying, but still...I shouldn't need it to install drivers for the same sodding hardware everytime.
[14:29] <JGJones> or USB memory stick. or get a laptop for Windows with a single USB port(!)
[14:36] <Daviey> popey: generally, about your RAID experience.
[14:36] <Daviey> tuning, throughput etc
[14:37] <safiyyah> guys I got an initramfs error again, I am not on the live disk. Here is the output of fdisk -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/627966/
[14:37] <safiyyah> what has happened at line 12?
[14:42] <safiyyah> AlanBell, popey ?
[14:43] <daubers> safiyyah: Thats nothing to worry about. Just means your partition doesn't end on a cylinder boundary on the disk (not an issue, but with older spinny disks can lower performance marginally)
[14:43] <daubers> safiyyah: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder-head-sector for more info on cylinder/head/sectors on disks
[14:46] <daubers> Also... http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/16/retro_gamer_day_of_the_tentacle/ <- Best point and click game _ever_
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> DoTT!!
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> o/
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> \o/ even
[14:47] <safiyyah> okay so continue with mounting the broken installation
[14:47] <safiyyah> ?
[14:49] <safiyyah> daubers?
[14:58] <safiyyah> btw how do you kill the ubuntu software centre? I x killed it but still it isn't dead as I cannot use synaptic or command line
[14:58] <dutchie> !aptfix
[14:59] <safiyyah> dutchie it stills says locked
[15:00] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/627976/
[15:00]  * BigRedS has always just rmd the lock file
[15:00] <safiyyah> rmd?
[15:01] <ali1234> i had that a couple of days ago. apt locked, nothing running
[15:01] <ali1234> first time i've ever seent hat
[15:01] <safiyyah> lol ali it's not funny
[15:01] <safiyyah> i have an initramfas error again
[15:01] <safiyyah> popey not around to help me lol
[15:02] <safiyyah> initramfs*
[15:02] <safiyyah> how did you solve it ali1234 ?
[15:03] <ali1234> it fixed itself after a while
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: you could try resizing the first partition (while booted from a live cd)
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: to match the boundary
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> safiyyah: you can use a graphical tool for it (gparted?)
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> !initramfs
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> then for debugging:
[15:05] <MartijnVdS> !grub
[15:07] <BigRedS> what does the initramfs error say?
[15:07] <BigRedS> maybe you just need a new intird?
[15:28] <safiyyah> BigRedS:  I don't remember what it said
[15:28] <safiyyah> is there a command I can run?
[15:29] <BigRedS> mkinitrd will create a new initrd image which may help. But the important bit is that it creates one different to the current broken one
[15:29] <BigRedS> and to do that, you need to know what's broken
[15:30] <BigRedS> for which you need the error
[15:30] <BigRedS> (or a log if it did eventually boot into something)
[15:30] <safiyyah> Okay
[15:30] <safiyyah> I will reboot and write the error down and come back
[15:30] <safiyyah> thank you guys
[15:58] <safiyyah> okay am back
[16:01] <BigRedS> aha, with errors?
[16:02] <safiyyah> right my initramfas error reads as follows http://paste.ubuntu.com/628013/  I would like to add that I have not plugged in any new USB devices but I did run the updates that pop up twice in the last couple of days
[16:03] <safiyyah> yes BigRedS , it's what I went to reboot for :)
[16:07] <safiyyah> okay so what now guys?
[16:08] <BigRedS> that doesn't look like an error
[16:08] <BigRedS> what happens there? does it just stop booting?
[16:16] <safiyyah> yes it stops bootings
[16:22] <safiyyah> hello?
[16:22] <BigRedS> hi, sorry, work cropped up
[16:22] <BigRedS> is that all it says
[16:23] <safiyyah> the initramfs error yes, but above that there was more stuff on the screen about being unable to mount dev/sda
[16:23] <BigRedS> oh
[16:23] <BigRedS> that's probably the more interesting bit
[16:24] <safiyyah> okay shall i reboot again?
[16:27] <safiyyah> i think i will come back at 6pm when you guys are available
[16:27] <safiyyah> for now I will write up the error
[16:42] <oimon> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/16/the_redner_group_dropped/ << lol
[16:43] <oimon> make a better game next time
[16:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting new business - launching free 3 year trusted signed certs... http://www.affirmtrust.com/
[16:45] <BigRedS> what's their income?
[16:45] <dogmatic69> o.o
[16:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> >128bit & longer term certs I guess
[16:46] <dogmatic69> how they do it free when other places are like £900
[16:46] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: "Up to 256 bit Encryption"
[16:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> GoDaddy do it for $50/annum apparently.
[16:46] <dogmatic69> so >256
[16:46] <BigRedS> well, doing certs for free is easy
[16:46] <BigRedS> the hard part is also being a profitable business
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed,
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> "If you are looking for a free SSL certificate that provides 128 bit encryption, you have visited the perfect site."
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> They go live next month.
[16:47] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: how much do they actually do after you have your cert?
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nowt.
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> I guess.
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's not hard. They want to get mind-share and traction. Then up-sell.
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe you can't have lots of free certs either.
[16:49] <dogmatic69> the dropdown says 1, 1-5, 5 or more
[16:50] <oimon> the question is, does firefox et al accept it?
[16:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you read their website it seems so.
[16:50] <oimon> i have some certs that firefox doesn't accept, but chrome and ie do
[16:51] <BigRedS> odd. I thought they were all in the same box?
[16:52] <oimon> i think it's the cybertrust CA
[16:52] <JGJones> GeoTrust
[16:53] <JGJones> Well it say it's from the founders of GeoTrust
[16:53] <dogmatic69> "Neal led the efforts to raise $24 million in venture financing and sold GeoTrust to VeriSign (NASDAQ: VRSN) for $125 million in September 2006"
[16:53] <dogmatic69> i guess he has the money to hand them out for free
[16:54] <JGJones> free certificates to build up customer base
[16:54] <dogmatic69> yip
[16:54] <JGJones> and then retire it I guess
[16:54] <dogmatic69> and if you started GeoTrust hes just doing it again, steal the customers back and then sell it off again for 100m +
[16:56] <ali1234> i approve of this
[16:58] <ali1234> so does anyone know how to download microsoft office documents from gmail?
[16:58] <ali1234> it only gives me the options "view" and "open as google document" and they both do exactly the same thing
[16:58] <oimon> .doc?
[16:59] <oimon> i get View   Download
[16:59] <ali1234> no spreadsheet actually
[16:59] <ali1234> xlsx
[16:59] <oimon> gmail always offers me to download
[17:00] <oimon> docx too
[17:00] <oimon> ah - are you on your phone?
[17:01] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/158611
[17:01] <ali1234> no
[17:01] <ali1234> i am using firefox on ubuntu
[17:02] <shauno> what action does clicking the icon give you ?
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> ARM based 480 Core 2U Servers running Ubuntu :-) http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/06/arm-server-startup-attempts-to-jump-start-datacenter-software-ecosystem.ars
[17:04] <gord> wouldn't mind replacing my little home server with an arm based machine, would be nice
[17:04] <gord> (and hopefully, cheep)
[17:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes - me too. I currently have a VIA c7
[17:05] <ali1234> shauno: none
[17:05] <hamitron> VIA C7 is nice
[17:05] <hamitron> :)
[17:05] <JGJones> same here....a nice low power device as a server
[17:05] <hamitron> I have some 200mhz sparq based thing
[17:05] <hamitron> :/
[17:05] <gord> running an atom in mine, fed up of atoms, booo
[17:06] <JGJones> mine's a old AMD Athlon - my old desktop, but it's in a Shuttle case so still small enough to stuff away somewhere
[17:06] <AyeRight> Kernel missing. Cant boot :-(
[17:06]  * hamitron tuts at JGJones
[17:06] <gord> i was gonna do something similar when i built my server, but i figured its cheaper to get some low power stuff than run a high power old desktop
[17:06] <hamitron> ;)
[17:06] <safiyyah> okay I am back..... with the whole erro
[17:07] <safiyyah> BigRedS I think init it messed up
[17:07] <safiyyah> I wrote down and types up the whole thing here http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/
[17:08] <safiyyah> so i have an initramfs message and fdisk - l brings this up:
[17:08] <JGJones> gord - I was gonna do the same, but then company went bust and losing a job mean purchase of hardware stuff have to wait :)
[17:09] <shauno> I just worry my leccy bill is gonna be more than the hardware :/
[17:09] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/628044/
[17:09] <JGJones> yeah that's true...my server is actually switched off and just switched on when it's needed.
[17:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is the one I built back in 2007 and it's still running fine.
[17:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2007/09/08/untangle-asterisk-pbx-and-file-server-all-in-one/
[17:10] <hamitron> do you guys sometimes find you buy new hardware to replace old, to save power.... and you get greedy and just run both because it is there to be used?
[17:11] <safiyyah> guys ..... I have a broken system please help, refer to previous messages
[17:11] <JGJones> hamitron, I don't because I don't keep old stuff - clean it up and donate it.
[17:11] <JGJones> or ebay it.
[17:11] <shauno> keep both, sure.  run both, no.  I'm very picky about what's left 24x7
[17:11] <hamitron> JGJones: I hoard the donations ;)
[17:12] <JGJones> prefer to donate though (and to WORTHY causes :P)
[17:12] <hamitron> I am worthy \o/
[17:12] <JGJones> TheOpenSourcerer, interesting blog...keeping it for reference...I had looked into Untangle before...how good is it in your opinion?
[17:12] <hamitron> JGJones: the 2 charities I phoned up to take some comps, won't take ones this low spec
[17:13] <JGJones> hamitron, I have a friend that works in a deaf school in Kenya...they'll take it.
[17:13] <AyeRight> Hami no new stuff is more energy efficient. I sold all my old stuff. Got one computer and use a small router with server software :-) all runs under 100 wat
[17:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> JGJones: I ended up not using it so can't really comment.
[17:13] <JGJones> they're desperate for anything.
[17:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> The server just runs 10.04, self built asterisk, apache, samba etc...
[17:13] <AyeRight> Saved many pounds.  In the end I just gave up :-)
[17:14] <AyeRight> Ill even wipe your bum
[17:15] <hamitron> hehe
[17:15] <hamitron> at the time one place wanted 1.2ghz and better
[17:15] <hamitron> the other place wanted 1.6ghz and better
[17:15] <shauno> to be honest, that makes sense to me
[17:15] <hamitron> and my main pc I was still using was 1ghz
[17:15] <hamitron> :/
[17:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our local hospice takes virtually any old IT gear and will either reuse or recycle.
[17:16] <hamitron> so the poor people in africa wouldn't accept the stuff I use each day? :-o
[17:16] <AyeRight> Those wee routers running tomato or openwrt are more useful than I thought.
[17:16] <popey> its not that they wont accept it hamitron
[17:16] <shauno> it's worth remembering that charities aren't skips.  they want stuff that they can use, not stuff that's going to cost them to dispose of
[17:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> I gave them a shedload of old stuff recently. a 233Mhz Dell, a couple of 17" CRTs, a 450Mhz AMD box and some other stuff.
[17:16] <popey> its that the people here who rebuild them refuse to take it usually
[17:17] <hamitron> popey: I stand corrected, but it amounts to the same problem
[17:17] <popey> sure
[17:17] <AyeRight> They all just take the metals out the boxes and sell it off.  And you dont want to play with them ;-)
[17:19] <hamitron> "Drop off at our shops"
[17:19] <hamitron> :/
[17:19] <popey> safiyyah: i can't help right now, sorry
[17:19] <safiyyah> AyeRight your comments about African children are offensive
[17:19] <safiyyah> Popey, when shall I come back?
[17:20] <AyeRight> Well I offended you. We all cant be happy.
[17:20] <hamitron> haha AyeRight
[17:20] <hamitron> I just realised what you meant
[17:20] <AyeRight> I read plenty offence in here . Its irc. I ignore
[17:21] <hamitron> what is offensive all depends on the views of those reading it also
[17:21] <hamitron> unless it is just a rude attack
[17:21] <safiyyah> anyone want to help me with this broken machine issue?
[17:22] <AlanBell> with the recycling thing I was talking to remploy about their raceonline computers they are shipping with Ubuntu
[17:22] <popey> safiyyah: tried in #ubuntu ?
[17:22] <AyeRight> Irc is am open medium and always will be. I just farted. Did I offend you again?
[17:22] <AlanBell> going to talk further with them about using the OEM tools
[17:23] <hamitron> AlanBell: I think I'm going to have to accept, charities recycling have overtaken me in the specification of machines they want
[17:23] <hamitron> :/
[17:23] <ali1234> hamitron: do you want to buy some computer bits?
[17:24] <AyeRight> Anyway. Using irc via a candybar phone is amusing. But I now need to ice my thumb.
[17:24] <ali1234> actually you can have them for postage
[17:24] <hamitron> ali1234: I have too many comps
[17:24] <hamitron> haha
[17:24] <hamitron> but ty
[17:24] <AlanBell> safiyyah: will read back in a sec
[17:24] <shauno> I'd give him a celeron just to be mean, but I don't want to know what it'd cost to ship from here
[17:24] <ali1234> hamitron: the solution for that is to buy more
[17:24] <hamitron> 23 comps :/
[17:24] <ali1234> you know you want to buy this PII 300Mhz
[17:24] <hamitron> plus spares
[17:25] <hamitron> I got 2 comps with PII 333mhz
[17:25] <hamitron> ;)
[17:25] <ali1234> well then you should buy another one
[17:25] <shauno> I've got a 2.6Ghz celeron that's rotting away because I don't need it for the dvdrw anymore
[17:25] <hamitron> 2.6ghz? :|
[17:26] <shauno> it's just a bad machine that's not worth throwing more money at :/
[17:26] <hamitron> that could make a decent comp for a kid
[17:26] <hamitron> :/
[17:27] <safiyyah> AlanBell - it's here in short
[17:27] <safiyyah>  have a broken machine which is not booting. I did the two recent updates that normally pop up. The error at bootup, I have typed it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628040/ and fdisk - l is returning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/628044/ anyone please?
[17:28] <shauno> it does get turned on once in a blue moon, simply because it's the only box I've got that'll take ide disks
[17:28] <hamitron> but as an example, I tried to give them PII 333mhz away to my cousins children, and they were turned away because they won't run GTA IV......... so tehy bought a PS3
[17:28] <hamitron> and they are poor
[17:28] <hamitron> :/
[17:28] <ali1234> safiyyah: go back to previous kernel. hold left shift while booting and select the older one.
[17:29] <ali1234> hamitron: those machines won't even run GTA 3
[17:29] <hamitron> ali1234: I know
[17:29] <jacobw> Or GTA 2 for that that matter..
[17:29] <ali1234> it's going to cost you to get rid of them unless you can find some sucker on irc to take them off you
[17:29]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski
[17:29] <hamitron> ali1234: point is, I can't even give them away to someone with no job
[17:29] <hamitron> haha
[17:29] <ali1234> why would anyone take something that is worth negative money?
[17:30] <hamitron> they aren't negative
[17:30] <ali1234> yes they are
[17:30] <hamitron> I can get the council to take them
[17:30] <shauno> I can think of a reason.  it involves being a compulsive hoarder tho ;)
[17:30] <ali1234> at the very least you will have to use petrol to drive them to the tip
[17:30] <ali1234> around here the council won't take computer waste
[17:30] <jacobw> it'd be great for browsing the web with lynx, chatting with irssi and coding with vim :P
[17:31] <ali1234> they will take some forms of large waste, for example you have to pay them £19 to take away a fridge
[17:31] <hamitron> jacobw: I run firefox 3.6 remotely ok
[17:31] <hamitron> ;)
[17:31] <jacobw> wow
[17:32] <hamitron> I may start taking a soldering iron to them
[17:32] <hamitron> always wanted to try stuff
[17:32]  * jacobw wonders if there's still CLI hold outs
[17:32] <jacobw> (other than rms)
[17:32] <hamitron> hold outs?
[17:33] <jacobw> people who only use the CLI
[17:33]  * hamitron does
[17:33] <hamitron> haha
[17:33] <jacobw> haha
[17:33] <hamitron> I bet there are some in #minix too
[17:33] <jacobw> yes
[17:33]  * jacobw frowns
[17:34] <hamitron> my 2nd newest machine is only a SiS 200mhz cpu
[17:34] <hamitron> :)
[17:34] <hamitron> tbh, it is really good fun
[17:35] <hamitron> you can do stuff to something like that, that you can't do to a new PC
[17:35] <hamitron> live life on the edge \o/
[17:38] <ali1234> anybody know a way to programmatically decompose multisheet xslx into a csv file?
[17:39] <ali1234> hmm looks like it's xml in a zip container
[17:39] <ali1234> yup
[17:39] <ali1234> this should make my job a LOT easier :)
[17:41] <ali1234> what is an .xml.rels file?
[17:43] <jacobw> horrible :p
[17:43] <ali1234> it looks like it's another xml file that lists what is embedded in what
[17:44] <AlanBell> there should be a manifest I think
[17:44] <AlanBell> you are in a maze of twisty passages which is OOXML
[17:45] <ali1234> it looks fairly simple to me
[17:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> ali1234: OOXML is anything but simple.
[17:46] <AlanBell> for the specific task of splitting a sheet into separate sheets that is probably quite doable
[17:46] <andylockran> hey guys
[17:46] <AlanBell> if they contents are just numbers and text and sane stuff
[17:47] <ali1234> i have a lot of sheets, each one is multiple worksheets. they all contain the same data but are not normalized
[17:47] <andylockran> I could do with some advice. I'm trying to pick a CMS.
[17:47] <ali1234> i want to break them down, normalize them, and then reassemble them
[17:47] <andylockran> Ideally I'd like to be able to write widgets using php/python.. but the CMS needs to be non-tech user friendly.  Just wondering on people's thoughts...
[17:51] <gr33npeace> hi all... I want to give FTP access to someone over SSH, and I want them to have read-only access to files on the webserver... can anyone give me some pointers?
[17:51] <andylockran> gr33npeace: sftp?
[17:52] <JGJones> Green Dragon! 1977
[17:54] <gr33npeace> andylockran: yeah, got that bit sorted... just a little confused getting the permissions right for them
[17:54] <andylockran> gr33npeace:
[17:54] <JGJones>  Green Dragon! 1977
[17:54] <andylockran> JGJones: what are you doing?
[17:55] <gr33npeace> andylockran: we'll never know
[17:55] <andylockran> gr33npeace: do you have the permissions on your webdirectory set sanely to begin with
[17:56] <gr33npeace> andylockran: it's all owned by root
[17:58] <andylockran> gr33npeace: I would then suggest you make a new user, and set the perms so that the user can only read the files, not write them
[18:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: I like Joomla! - it isn't too hard to learn for a non-geek (not as difficult as Drupal) but more flexible and easy to extend with modules etc. than Wordpress. IMHO ;-)
[18:01] <gr33npeace> andylockran: OK, I'll give that a shot. thanks
[18:04] <gr33npeace> andylockran: I had already done that, but I can see what was confusing me... the previous guy has given full rights to everyone
[18:04] <JGJones> How do you start an application to be always maximised and/or have the window properties flagged - ie always display on visible desktop?
[18:04] <JGJones> without needing to set it manually each time?
[18:04] <gr33npeace> andylockran: thanks for the pointers
[18:10] <s-fox> Back in a bit,  sooner than maybe expected :)
[19:37] <dogmatic69_> o/
[19:37] <d3ngar> Hey there!
[19:38] <d3ngar> I have a problem with my flash player
[19:38] <d3ngar> It just doesn't work :(
[19:38] <dogmatic69_> who was it a few weeks back that had a script with rm -rf /$var and $var was empty?
[19:38] <d3ngar> I removed it and reinstalled, but no cigar
[19:38] <d3ngar> Any suggestions?
[19:38] <d3ngar> I use the adobe flash plugin
[19:38] <d3ngar> And also gnash
[19:39] <d3ngar> Browser in question are both Chrome and The Fox
[19:39] <d3ngar> Fiery that is
[19:39] <d3ngar> Fox, I mean
[19:39] <jussi> So... anyone here got kids? I have a kid question, about a UK product, if anyone feels in the mood to answer it. :=)
[19:40] <jpds> You just asked a kid question.
[19:41] <shauno> I'm a kid, fwiw
[19:43]  * dogmatic69_ has a kid
[19:43] <jussi> Hehe, I was hoping someone would say yes, then I could PM. And its a question about nappies...
[19:43] <d3ngar> How can I get the network manager applet back?
[19:43] <jussi> :D
[19:43] <d3ngar> Mine just disappeared, gnome3?
[19:44] <jussi> dogmatic69_: mind if I pm?
[19:45] <dogmatic69_> k
[20:32] <s-fox> AlanBell, your interview is live :-)
[20:32] <s-fox> Thank you for doing one.
[20:53] <AlanBell> ooh, thanks s-fox
[21:17] <s-fox> Thank you again for agreeing to participate in the project AlanBell :)
[21:32] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The Art of Community: Communicating Clearly - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/16/the-art-of-community-communicating-clearly/
[21:47] <popey> Azelphur: do you ever use voice chat in steam?
[21:47] <popey> bigcalm and I are trying to and it's failing
[21:47] <popey> disconnects one of us when we try to start chat
[21:49] <dwatkins> popey: running other apps which use the mic?
[21:49] <popey> it works in steam
[21:49] <popey> it disconnects
[21:49] <popey> like we cant connect to eachother
[21:49] <bigcalm> My connection with steam keeps dropping when trying to connect to popey
[21:50] <dwatkins> I assume you can chat to each other, perhaps it's a NAT/firewall issues.
[21:51] <popey> I've opened up the firewall ports it suggests
[21:51] <bigcalm> As have I
[21:51] <bigcalm> http://www.monctoncs.ca/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=1&id=5619&Itemid=63
[21:51] <bigcalm> Just tried the instructions in the last post on that page
[21:52] <bigcalm> Nope
[21:52] <bigcalm> GAH
[21:52] <popey> http://www.resoo.org/docs/counterstrike/steam_ports.html
[21:52] <popey> thats what I did
[21:53] <popey> bah!
[21:54] <bigcalm> Humbug?
[21:54] <popey> yes
[21:54] <popey> minecraft instead I think
[21:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[21:54] <popey> bigcalm: answered
[21:54] <bigcalm> Not working then :(
[21:55] <popey> bummer
[21:55] <popey> time to blow stuff up in minecraft :D
[21:55] <bigcalm> Have fun :)
[21:57] <bigcalm> Didn't mean to close x-chat :)
[22:01] <AlanBell> oggcamp venue was just on ITV
[22:01] <AlanBell> with the rock choir thing
[22:02] <daubers> lo
[22:04] <s-fox> Hello daubers and daubers_
[22:05] <s-fox> :)
[22:09] <jacobw> o/
[22:09] <daubers> s-fox: One of me is at work, the other isn't
[22:10] <s-fox> I see, how is your evening going?
[22:12] <jibadeeha> anyone here sync music between iphone4 and ubuntu and if so does it work well
[22:18] <daubers> s-fox: Good :)
[22:19] <daubers> Sat playing dumb xbox games at the mo
[22:19] <daubers> how're you this evening?
[22:20] <s-fox> I am okay thank you. I am configuring my new operating system.
[22:27] <daubers> Ubuntu?
[22:28] <s-fox> no, elementary os
[22:29] <s-fox> or eOS for short ;)
[22:32] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Choosing a CMS - http://zrmt.com/2011/06/16/choosing-a-cms/
[22:33] <s-fox> Back in a short while.
[23:16] <s-fox> Back.


[02:45] <ruiboon> hi. could the ops check if Wellemeyer at #ubuntu should be ban, upon entering the channel, he/she pm a non-family friendly msg
[02:45] <Seeker`> ruiboon: I'll look into it
[02:45] <Seeker`> ruiboon: Can you PM me a copy of the PM?
[02:45] <ruiboon> Seeker`: ok
[02:47] <ruiboon> Seeker: it was sent twice before there was " Wellemeyer has quit (Excess Flood)"
[02:47] <Seeker`> ok, thanks
[02:47] <Seeker`> the ops are aware
[02:47] <ruiboon> Seeker`: thanks
[11:25] <Myrtti> PriceChild: dear sweet pricey
[11:26] <Myrtti> lend me your ears
[11:29] <PriceChild> Myrtti: what's up?
[11:29] <Myrtti> I'll check that I'm ready first
[11:29] <Myrtti> !register
[11:30] <PriceChild> Myrtti: we haven't added you to ubuntu-members yet
[11:30] <PriceChild> but yes, you are ready
[11:31] <Myrtti> ♥
[11:31] <PriceChild> Myrtti: when i get the email notification I'll activate your cloak.
[11:31] <Ekushey> <3
[11:31] <Myrtti> great
[13:04] <PsySine> hello
[13:04] <Ekushey> hello PsySine
[13:04] <PsySine> we in #kubuntu-se would like to make a change to our locobot's welcome notice
[13:06] <PsySine> it says "Den här kanalen är loggad...", should say "Den här kanalen loggas..."
[13:37] <Myrtti> PsySine: pft.
[13:38] <Myrtti> "tack för dig själv"
[13:39] <PsySine> kiitos
[13:39] <Myrtti> :->
[13:40] <Ekushey> PsySine, can that be done?
[13:43] <PsySine> i suppose so...
[13:44] <PsySine> btw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat mentions "#xubuntu-se" which is not even registered
[13:44] <Ekushey> whom to talk to about that?
[13:45] <Myrtti> I guess you're in the correct channel too
[13:51] <PsySine> i'll /msg netzmeister since he set up the locobot from the beginning :)
[17:30] <lavida> holas
[17:30] <lavida>  im looking how to install ndisgtk package... im found this address http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/ndisgtk can u tell me what i need to download and how to install it with synaptic package manager?
[17:30] <bubut> hello lavida
[17:31] <bubut> sudo apt-get install ndisgtk
[17:32] <lavida> my network doesnt work u should know that maybe
[17:32] <lavida> im using right now windows
[17:33] <Myrtti> hmmm, the support is at #ubuntu
[17:33] <Myrtti> this is #ubuntu-irc
[17:35] <lavida> im there right now
[17:35] <lavida> noone give the answer, no im trying to find channel where ppl can help me
[17:35] <lavida> sorry
[17:36] <Myrtti> lavida: is that package in main, universe or what?
[17:37] <Myrtti> universe I see
[17:37] <lavida> uh oh i found help for using windows wireless dreivers... and its say...
[17:37] <bubut> lavida, "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk" doesn't help?
[17:38] <stdin> lavida: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper should guide you
[17:38] <lavida> Ubuntu supports a system known as NDISWrapper. This allows you to use a Windows device driver under Ubuntu
[17:39] <lavida> yes a was there but im noob
[17:39] <lavida> can start :(
[17:39] <lavida> cant
[17:40] <lavida> bubut i dont know how it can work because u dont give a path to the link i downloaded from the net
[17:40] <stdin> the guide tells you how to install it without a net connection
[17:41] <stdin> or use the part about installing with a net connection on another computer to download the .deb files
[17:45] <lavida> im downloaded from link i gave u above [ndisgtk_0.6.orig.tar.gz]
[17:45] <lavida> If you are running Ubuntu for AMD64, please see NdiswrapperOnAMD64 for instructions.
[17:45] <lavida> im running it from AMD64
[17:48] <stdin> you don't need to use the guide any more, just follow the "2.2. Installing Packages (With Internet access on another computer)" part to download the .deb files
[17:48] <stdin> either click on the "all" or "amd64" links and download them, then you can install them when booted into ubuntu
[17:51] <lavida> ok thanks
[18:16] <lavida> i couldnt install ndisgtk :(
[18:17] <lavida> im getting error: Dependency is not satisfiable: ndiswrapper-utils=1.9
[18:17] <lavida> and when i went into synaptic package manager i have message that i have one broken package
[18:18] <lavida> after i filter it its ndisgtk package :(
[18:19] <lavida> the file i downloaded is ndisgtk_0.8.3-1_amd64.deb
[18:20] <lavida> from http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/net/ndisgtk
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