[07:40] <ksivaji> jhutchins no  i saw in forums people who have s3 unichrome cant play games because of driver
[07:40] <Dr_willis_> Gotta love a game thats free for the 'basics' :)  only $5 a mo for the enhanced
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: hmmm, no, have to look into it
[07:40] <Dr_willis_> hitmanWilly,  by NcSoft.
[07:40] <Dr_willis_> basiclly a Diablo  remake with a Sence of Humor.
[07:40] <ksivaji> hitmanWilly  quake 3 means
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: ugh, i hated diablo
[07:41] <Dr_willis_> hitmanWilly,  to each their own. :) i dont care for Warcraft any more.
[07:41] <Dr_willis_> Got Lord Of the Rings online. and aint played it in ages.. its just the little things that turn me off in some of these games.
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: diablo was nwn without any of the cool stuff
[07:41] <Dr_willis_> hitmanWilly,  hmm.. I think ya need to check the timelines. :)
[07:42] <Dr_willis_> Diablo was sort of the grandfather to NWN. so its not fair to compare them that way
[07:42] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: im aware diablo came out first, it was just massively boring to me
[07:42] <Dr_willis_> Pong was  Quake5 without all the blood. :)
[07:42] <Dr_willis_> Look at tetris. :)
[07:42] <Dr_willis_> or any of the 100000+ other clasic games.
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: of course, i was in my final fantasy phase when diablo came out though...
[07:44] <Dr_willis_> Final Fantasy 1 through.. egads.. how many did i play.. how many did i even finish. :)
[07:44] <Dr_willis_> I sort of perfered the Breath of Fire series.
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_: and you can't diss on tetris, that and space invaders were the only video games i ever got my mom to play :P
[07:45] <Dr_willis_> My wife has been playimng these 'find the hidden item' games like crazy lately
[07:51] <boompro>   ;)
[07:52] <boompro>  ,     7.04  CD     CD   jmicron  ?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> uhhh, what language is that?
[07:54] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: idiot.
[07:54] <boompro> hitmanWilly,oh sorry ))
[07:54] <boompro> russian
[07:54] <LjL> !ru
[07:55] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:55] <jhutchins> boompro: Russian usually renders correctly here, sorry.
[07:55] <jhutchins> Looks a lot more like someone exploring accented characters.
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> sorry, apparently my unicode settings on irssi are a little bit off :P
[07:55] <LjL> jhutchins: depends whether you're using UTF-8 or KOI-8 or something else
[07:55] <LjL> if you can see the !ru factoids, your settings are probably fine
[07:56] <jhutchins> The sequences still look suspicious.
[07:56] <boompro> !ru
[07:56] <LjL> but then many russians (including (i'd say, unfortunately) the #ubuntu-ru channel) use KOI
[07:56] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> LjL: you mean the ????????????????????????????? factoid?
[07:56] <LjL> heheh
[07:56] <jhutchins> Six accented vowels in a row as rendered here.
[07:56] <hitmanWilly> LjL: yeah, they're off...have to fix that
[07:57] <hitmanWilly> LjL: but later
[07:57] <boompro> !ru
[07:57] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:58] <jhutchins>
[07:59] <jhutchins> renders here as eiiooieaia with varying accents.
[07:59] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins: yeah, same here
[07:59] <genii> here too
[08:00] <jhutchins> Whereas "pycckom" doesn't make much sense to me, but I can recognize it as russian.
[08:00] <Azzco> I've logitech microphone that I want to use, I can't find any guide for KDE. Help?
[08:00] <hitmanWilly> well, not like it'd make much difference anyway, don't speak a lick of russian, or pretty much any cyrillic language
[08:00] <jhutchins> Azzco: Microphone should be microphone, plug it into your mic-in jack and your sound card doesn't care about the brand.
[08:01] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: usb mic?
[08:01] <jhutchins> I went through college german, but that was before I could have kept it by practicing on the internet.
[08:01] <Azzco> nope it's one of those with the normal connection
[08:02] <hitmanWilly> heh, 2 yrs of french in HS, and some badly subbed anime, and that's about it...lol
[08:02] <Azzco> I've got alot of tabs in kmix but I can't figure out how to get it wokring, I got sound from it before but that was just like added above the normal sound didn't seem to integrate into any apps
[08:03] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: did you unmute the mic in channel?
[08:03] <Azzco> Nope
[08:03] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: make sure its unmuted
[08:03] <Azzco> the mic was in the line-in before now I switched to mic.
[08:04] <Azzco> hitmanWilly: Oh sorry read wrong thought you typed "mute the mic"
[08:04] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: it should be a bright green light in kmix
[08:04] <Azzco> hitmanWilly: How do I know when it works then?
[08:05] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: test it out in a sound recorder app...i really never use mine, so im not sure what app would work best
[08:07] <csanders> long question for the room, I have a VPN set up to my work, at home im on winblows, my work box is kubuntu, is there a way I can start an X session on my win box to point to my work box ?
[08:07] <csanders> or how can I do this, tinyvnc ?
[08:07] <Azzco> -_-
[08:07] <hitmanWilly> csanders: any vnc client should be able to do it
[08:08] <csanders> any recommendations
[08:08] <csanders> tinyvnc was slow last time i used it
[08:08] <hitmanWilly> csanders: well, if you don't need X, you could use ssh
[08:09] <csanders> yea I need X :( . for eclipse of all things
[08:09] <hitmanWilly> csanders: otherwise, not sure, don't use vnc myself
[08:09] <Azzco> Okay so I'm not sure abuot all the functions on my soundcard... I have the mic plugged in into the line-in jack... Should it be in there or the mic jack?
[08:10] <hitmanWilly> csanders: eclipse is java, right? you could get the winblows version, im pretty sure they have one
[08:10] <notv> does anyone know about using amarok with ipods?
[08:10] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: mic, line in is set up more for amplified input
[08:10] <notv> i cant get my files to transfer over from the transfer queue
[08:11] <hitmanWilly> notv: probably a permission issue
[08:12] <Azzco> Thought so... I've found a guide for gnome... is IEC958 some generic kind of soundcard or something?
[08:12] <notv> but my songs arent from itunes and i found a guide that says its possible
[08:12] <csanders> hitmanWilly: yes they have , I need the code on my local machine, otherwise Id have to keep checking into and outof CVS
[08:12] <hitmanWilly> Azzco: i think its an onboard intel one
[08:12] <Azzco> Hmm... okay
[08:13] <hitmanWilly> csanders: ok, ugh, well, you could set up a samba share and access the files on your work machine directly via windows
[08:13] <hitmanWilly> csanders: you said this was already set up as a VPN, right?
[08:13] <csanders> yes
[08:13] <csanders> ahh thats a good idea
[08:14] <csanders> thanks :)
[08:14] <hitmanWilly> csanders: np :)
[08:15] <hitmanWilly> notv: when i say permission issue i mean that amarok doesn't have permission to write to the ipod
[08:16] <hitmanWilly> notv: honestly, i don't really like amarok for ipod stuff, generally i've found that gtkpod works better
[08:34] <HanzZ> hm.. after apt-get dist-upgrade my system freezes and glxgears shows only 5 FPS, but direct rendering is ON in glxinfo
[08:34] <HanzZ> has anobody same problem?
[08:35] <Azzco> HanzZ: did it upgrade the kernel?
[08:35] <HanzZ> i have nvidia drivers
[08:35] <HanzZ> no
[08:35] <Azzco> Hmm... Are you sure it's the correct version of the drivers then?
[08:35] <genii> dist-upgrade auto upgrades the kernel if a new one is available
[08:36] <HanzZ> hm.. but my last reboot was some days ago, so i can test one of the old kernels
[08:36] <Azzco> Do that ;)
[08:36] <HanzZ> i know it :) but its updated only some libs :)
[08:36] <HanzZ> ok.. i will be back in minute
[08:38] <lnx_> how i can set "file browser" profile as default konqueror profile ?
[08:40] <HanzZ> ok
[08:40] <Azzco> Better?
[08:40] <HanzZ> with "Linux ubuntu 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" it works
[08:40] <HanzZ> 2.6.20-16 it freezes after KDE start
[08:41] <zimba12> hi
[08:41] <Azzco> I'm clueless here...
[08:41] <lnx_> how i can set "file browser" profile as default konqueror profile ?
[08:41] <HanzZ> and if it's not freeze, then fps is 5
[08:44] <zimba12> I'm using Kubuntu for 4 months...20 minutes ago I started it and it happened a strange thing:
[08:46] <Azzco> zimba12: are you going to end that story? :p
[08:46] <zimba12> I was logging to kdm, it accepted the password, but it immediatly came to login
[08:47] <zimba12> Azzco: this is the end, the sad end
[08:47] <zimba12> I cannot log in my kubuntu and I don't know the reason
[08:47] <Azzco> Hmm... can you log in into the virtual consoles?
[08:47] <zimba12> yes
[08:48] <Azzco> Try to start kdm from there and check for errors?
[08:48] <ksivaji> Azzco what is birtual console
[08:48] <zimba12> Azzco: I tried to read the X log
[08:48] <ksivaji> Azzco what is virtual console
[08:49] <Azzco> ksivaji: you've got 6 virtual console by default you can get to them by Ctrl+Alt+F(1-6) and F7 is your workspace right now
[08:49] <zimba12> but it appears have no error
[08:49] <Azzco> Hmm weird... you don't get any dialgbox from kde? I had a problem with dcop once
[08:50] <ksivaji> Azzco alt+ctrl+f(1-6) doesnt works
[08:51] <Azzco> Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[08:51] <ksivaji> yes doesnt works
[08:51] <lnx_> how i can set "file browser" profile as default konqueror profile ?
[08:51] <zimba12> Azzco: I don't understand why it happens, I didn't change anything from the last hit boot
[08:52] <Azzco> ksivaji: that's weird...
[08:52] <Azzco> zimba12: I'm sorry I don't know :( I'm not the most hardcore linux user..
[08:52] <zimba12> Azzco: ok, tnx
[08:54] <zimba12> please help me, I suffer from kde-withdrawal-symptoms
[08:54] <ksivaji> is it possible to restore our password by editing /etc/passwd
[08:56] <Lega> 'ello.
[08:56] <Hirvinen> ksivaji: The passwords are not saved anywhere. Only hashes of the passwords, salted with at least the username.
[08:58] <ksivaji> Hirvinen if i for get my password in that case is it possible to find that
[08:58] <Hirvinen> No.
[08:58] <Hirvinen> Well, not easy anyway.
[08:59] <ksivaji> ho
[08:59] <Hirvinen> You could try a password cracking program like johntheripper, but it might take a very long time.
[09:00] <ksivaji> ok is there any good topic in linux for paper presentation
[09:00] <Hirvinen> (Or if you remember something about your password, you could make a cracker yourself that would use that knowledge.)
[09:01] <ksivaji> Hirvinen can you tell me how johntheripper will work
[09:01] <ksivaji> i mean the input and output
[09:01] <genii> ksivaji: Anyhow, if you forget your password you can login to Recovery mode , edit /etc/shadow and remove the hashed password from between the two colons (::)
[09:01] <Hirvinen> ksivaji: man is a friend
[09:02] <ksivaji> Hirvinen ok ok
[09:02] <Hirvinen> aptitude install john
[09:03] <Hirvinen> John is mostly geared towards finding bad passwords using word lists, though.
[09:03] <zimba12> maybe it's a file-system error
[09:04] <zimba12> how can I force it to check the file-system in the next boot
[09:04] <jhutchins> You _can_ cut and paste a password hash.
[09:04] <ksivaji> zimba12 fsck
[09:05] <jhutchins> zimba12: -F option on the shutdown command, shutdown -F -r now
[09:05] <jhutchins> ksivaji: The challenge is to check the root filesystem, which is mounted if you're using the system.
[09:05] <zimba12> jhutchins, tnx, I'm going to try...
[09:05] <jhutchins> zimba12: You will be happy, it works.
[09:06] <jhutchins> zimba12: If you forget, you will be frustrated, because you will KNOW it's possible!
[09:06] <lnx_> how i can set "file browser" profile as default konqueror profile ?
[09:08] <Aaronfc7> Hello
[09:09] <Aaronfc7> I see people joining and leaving but is anyone talking?
[09:09] <jthomas> can i install 32bit linux on an Intel Xeon QuadCore processor (5300 series)?
[09:09] <ksivaji> lnx_ setting->save profile
[09:13] <lnx_> ksivaji , doesnt work , when i start konqueror again its "webbrowser" profile again , i want that when i start konq i will in "file manager" profile
[09:13] <ksivaji> lnx_ search menus you will get
[09:14] <NAZ87> Hi guys
[09:15] <NAZ87> Jhutchins, are you here?
[09:17] <genii> jthomas: The stock 32 bit kernel works on the 64 bit processors as well, i have it on a Core2Duo
[09:19] <Sanne> lnx_: you can specify the profile in the command which starts konqueror, like: konqueror --profile your_profile_name
[09:19] <khaije1> anyone ever heard of bitpim? it's an app for managing cell phones?
[09:19] <jthomas> genii i need to have a Linux server running VMWare and Win2k3 server on top of it; the Win2k3 that comes with the server we purchase will be 64bit, but the apps on the Linux (an old database) needs to be 32bit...
[09:19] <khaije1> i'm wondering where i can find a channel for it...
[09:20] <jthomas> khaije1: anything about it on their website?
[09:20] <lnx_> ksivaji , i didnt find it have idea ?
[09:20] <khaije1> jthomas: i wanna say no... but since i'm not totally sure i think i'd better check first!
[09:21] <genii> jthomas: You can run a 32 bit kernel inside a 64 bit OS running a vmplayer without issue
[09:21] <ksivaji> sorry kubuntu is new for me
[09:21] <genii> jthomas: Not the other way however
[09:21] <jthomas> hmm ok thanks!
[09:22] <genii> jthomas: np
[09:22] <Sanne> lnx_: I just looked, the correct command should be: konqueror --profile filemanagement
[09:22] <lnx_> Sanne , but i want to make some profile to be the default , i cant switch profile in konq also but this is not what i want todo . . .
[09:22] <Sanne> lnx_: I only know this way to ensure konqueror loads a certain profile on startup
[09:23] <Sanne> lnx_: how do you launch konqueror? From the kmenu?
[09:23] <lnx_> err :i can switch profile ******
[09:24] <lnx_> Sanne , yes
[09:24] <Sanne> lnx_: go to this entry in the menu, right click, edit
[09:24] <ksivaji> genii ubuntu is completely free right
[09:24] <ksivaji> free of cost is it ?
[09:25] <genii> Totally free, yes
[09:25] <lnx_> Sanne , i know what you want to do , i dont want thhis i want to know how to choose default profile . . .
[09:25] <lnx_> someone know ?
[09:26] <genii> In addition they will even ship you the install CDs at no cost as well
[09:26] <ksivaji> genii then how the programmer can make money
[09:26] <LjL> !offtopic
[09:26] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:27] <genii> ksivaji: They generally don't and are poor :) As LjL says we are discussing now offtopic things here however
[09:27] <Sanne> lnx_: hmmm, without specifying it on the command? I don't know, sorry.
[09:32] <notv> anyone here?
[09:33] <ksivaji> 406 user are here
[09:33] <LjL> 408
[09:33] <ksivaji> LjL 409
[09:34] <LjL> not when i said it, no. but when you said 406, there were 407
[09:34] <notv> i added songs to my ipod with amarok but they dont show up on the ipod, whats going on?
[09:35] <ksivaji> :P
[09:36] <ksivaji> notv may file type
[09:37] <ksivaji> notv copy the file which ipod can process
[09:44] <zimba12> a weird thing...I'm using kubuntu for 4 months without any problem, but this evening I started it and a weird thing happened
[09:44] <ksivaji> zimba12 what happpned
[09:44] <zimba12> when I login to kdm
[09:45] <zimba12> it clears the screen and goes back to the login again
[09:45] <zimba12> without any message
[09:45] <wo0f> where is the restricted drivers menu located in kde?
[09:46] <zimba12> I don't understand the reason because I've not changed anything from the last hit-login
[09:46] <anthronaut> zimba12: do you use a separate home partition?
[09:47] <zimba12> anthronaut: yes
[09:47] <wo0f> where is the restricted drivers menu located in kde?
[09:47] <martijn81> wo0f: there is none
[09:47] <anthronaut> zimba12: then it got full, kde won't start anymore unless you free some space on it
[09:47] <martijn81> it should be in the systray
[09:47] <anthronaut> zimba12: i had the same problem, it's weird.
[09:47] <wo0f> martijn81, :S why?
[09:47] <martijn81> wo0f: dunno, don't ask me lol
[09:48] <zimba12> anthronaut: you're my hero, you're right!
[09:48] <martijn81> wo0f: maybe it will change still, dunno
[09:48] <anthronaut> zimba12: you're welcome :-)
[09:48] <zimba12> anthronaut: too much p2p-downloading yesterday
[09:48] <paolo_> hi. i see small characters  on the screen, since two days. how can i fix that?
[09:49] <genii> martijn81: It runs in the tray so that when new restricted drivers are issued it can prompt you whether you wish to use them or not
[09:49] <anthronaut> zimba12: the problem is, nobody'll tell you to keep some free space in the first place
[09:49] <gary_> hello can anyone help on an install
[09:49] <zimba12> anthronaut: anyway it should be nice a message in login page
[09:49] <gary_> i have sorce i have to compile from tar.gz
[09:49] <anthronaut> zimba12: well...
[09:50] <genii> martijn81: You can also run it manually by: restricted-manager
[09:50] <martijn81> genii: i see
[09:50] <zimba12> anthronaut: tnx again
[09:51] <gary_> can someone help me install a few apps im green to linux
[09:51] <gary_> a lil
[09:51] <zimba12> anthronaut: I'm coming back to my shiny kubuntu...
[09:51] <gary_> i am new to kubuntu
[09:51] <gary_> i used to use rpms
[09:51] <nosrednaekim> gary_: ok... what do you need to install?
[09:51] <gary_> not tar.gz
[09:51] <gary_> 3d desktop
[09:51] <anthronaut> zimba12: lol, glad to help
[09:52] <genii> martijn81: kdesu restricted-manager    sorry, forgot it needs admin privelege
[09:52] <gary_> and auto installer for tars
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> gary_: tehre is no autoinstaller for tars..
[09:52] <lnx_> how i can remove "open new tab" and "close tab" bottons from konq , and konsole ?
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> gary_: and 3d desktop can be gotten via Adept..
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> !beryl
[09:52] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> lnx_: edit the toolbar
[09:52] <gary_> yeah it configuer it from profile and auto installs
[09:52] <genii> gary_: The file manager will usually decide to decompress tar files into whatever there is inside when you choose them from there
[09:53] <gary_> i had it on my red hat system
[09:53] <nosrednaekim> well, i've never heard of it for Ubuntu.. doesn't mean it doesn't exist tho ;)
[09:53] <gary_> i downloaed the files there on the desktop
[09:53] <lnx_> nosrednaekim , i cant remove them fromm all kde programs "globally " ?
[09:53] <nosrednaekim> gary_: all the files for what?
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> lnx_: I don't think any other apps have those buttons..
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> lnx_: and probably not..
[09:54] <gary_> i have 3 tars on my desktop
[09:54] <gary_> whats do i do now
[09:54] <lnx_> nosrednaekim , kopete . . . konverse and other
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> gary_: e tars for what?
[09:54] <gary_> thre diffrent apps
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> lnx_: really? hmm.. well, I don't think you can... for to #kde ..
[09:55] <nosrednaekim> gary_: are you sure you can't get them from the official repositories?
[09:55] <nosrednaekim> !repositories
[09:55] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:55] <nosrednaekim> !adept
[09:55] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[09:55] <gary_> 3d desktop /klmav-0/and targz. auto installer
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> gary_: all three can be installed from the repositories...
[09:56] <judgen> hmm my alsa output plugins stops working after a while..
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> gary_: upen up adept_manager
[09:56] <judgen> any ideas?
[09:56] <gary_> what is kompile soruce tar ball doo
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> judgen: output plugins?
[09:56] <nosrednaekim> gary_: compiles the source
[09:56] <gary_> oh ok
[09:57] <gary_> so i just point to it then right
[09:58] <nosrednaekim> point to it using what?
[09:58] <gary_> kompile in kde
[09:59] <nosrednaekim> oh... IDK... i've never used it :)
[09:59] <gary_> hmm
[09:59] <gary_> so i can use repository to install the app as long as i know what im looking for
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> yeah..
[10:00] <nosrednaekim> even if you don't know what you are looking for :)
[10:00] <gary_> ok i will try that thank you very much for your help
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> its much easier that way.
[10:03] <paolo_> i have that : "the module monitor & display could not be loaded"  and small fonts on my desktop. how can i solve? thnks
[10:04] <nosrednaekim> paolo_: are you running XGL?
[10:04] <paolo_> nosrednaekim: no
[10:05] <paolo_> this happened after installing a wi-fi driver.
[10:06] <nosrednaekim> ah
[10:07] <paolo_> what should i do?
[10:08] <nosrednaekim> paolo_: for the fonts problem.... thats no in the monitor section
[10:12] <judgen> nosrednaekim: yes
[10:13] <nosrednaekim> judgen: try going to #alsa
[10:16] <judgen> nosrednaekim: i think it might be a confilict with pulseaudio
[10:21] <winbond> is there a way to compare 2 documents with kate?
[10:37] <CrypTom> hi all, since the upgrade to feisty, my kde changes to a square resolution (1024x1024) when I boot my laptop after having worked with an attached screen (using 1280x1024). Kdm correctly uses 1024x768, but after the login the resolution changes.
[10:37] <CrypTom> Is there a way the change this? Meaning using either 1280x1024 or 1024x768, and not 1024x1024
[10:39] <CrypTom> Because my external screen can and should display 1280x1024, but when using the laptop undocked it can only display 1024x768. So I dont like kde the change to 1024x1024 after login
[10:41] <jhutchins> CrypTom: Probably easiest to use krandrtray to resize when needed.
[10:42] <cael> i just found a bug w/ kubuntu's "PowerMac Screamer" driver (soundcard)
[10:43] <ScorpKing> hello everyone! :D
[10:43] <cael> when i plugin headphones to my imacs left front headphone port, no sound on headphones no sound on mac.
[10:43] <cael> plugin to right one sound comes to headphones but fails to mute the onboard speakers
[10:44] <CrypTom> jhutchins: oh, cool, thanks, much better than having to click through the menus
[10:45] <cael> i notice as well kubuntu is slower w/ certain pannels than other distros on this mac
[10:45] <cael> like ww/ package controllpannels (add/remove, adept manager)
[10:46] <jhutchins> cael: Might be loading more modules than other distros.
[10:46] <cael> its like actual system slowdowns
[10:50] <lnx_> when kubuntu gusty will be released iwll be able to upgrade to it from 7.04 withou to lose all the programs and settings that i have in 7.04 ?
[10:50] <seth> lnx_, indeed
[10:51] <jasmin_> i am doin a program in bash for simple intrest the proble is it only multiplies but no division si=`expr $p \* $n \* $r |bc`
[10:52] <erich_> what's a good gui program to copy .iso images of DVD's in Kubuntu?
[10:52] <rixon> k3b
[10:53] <erich_> k3b only burns .iso images to dvd's
[10:53] <rixon> you sure?
[10:53] <cael> is it safe to shrink the total partition size of my kubuntu install to make this imac dualboot OSX?
[10:53] <darkstar> yeah, i was just looking at it
[10:54] <darkstar> cael: yes
[10:54] <lnx_> seth , it will install gusty with kde 6 ?
[10:54] <lnx_> 4 * ** ?
[10:55] <cael> how can i make it then hide from osx, last oi had tried to install to a extrenal drive, osx kept warning about an unreconised file system (as osx cant read Linux partitions/filesystems)
[10:56] <darkstar> cael: you'll probably have to install osx first and then install linux after
[10:56] <jhutchins> lnx_: THat's not decided yet, it doesn't look like kde4 will be ready by the time gutsy's released.
[10:56] <cael> i installed linux after because installing yaboot was a major chore
[10:57] <jhutchins> lnx_: It will be available as an option, but kde 3.5.7 will probably be the kubuntu default.
[10:57] <darkstar> cael: i havn't used a mac since the old macontosh LC2 so i'm probably not the best person to ask
[10:57] <jhutchins> cael: Install the ext drivers for osx?
[10:57] <lnx_> jhutchins , so when kde 4 will be kubuntu default desktop ?
[10:57] <jhutchins> lnx_: Some time after they're finished beta testing it.
[10:58] <jhutchins> lnx_: Not all of it works yet, not all kde programs are ported, there are still bugs.
[10:58] <jhutchins> lnx_: Just 'cause it's a higher number doesn't mean you want it.
[10:58] <lnx_> yea know
[10:58] <darkstar> jhutchins: what's an easy gui program to use to create .iso images of dvd's? in ubuntu i could right click the media and do it but kubuntu doesn't give me that option
[10:58] <monchu> hola a todos
[10:58] <monchu> soy novato
[10:59] <lnx_> jhutchins , every "higher number" is better than the previous . . .
[10:59] <jhutchins> lnx_: No.  Not always.
[10:59] <jhutchins> DOS 4.0?
[10:59] <cael> umm exampe thats wrong. case in point
[10:59] <jhutchins> Not better than DOS 3.5.
[10:59] <cael> Winblows 98  / ME
[10:59] <monchu> algun espaol?
[10:59] <lnx_> jhutchins , yea afcours not alwyas but in kde yes
[11:00] <jhutchins> darkstar: I just use dd if=/dev/dvd of=<file>
[11:00] <jhutchins> lnx_: Not so far.
[11:00] <monchu> tengo problemas con el GXINE
[11:00] <jhutchins> lnx_: Repositories are available and are configured for parallel install, you're welcome to help test.
[11:00] <jhutchins> es! | monchu
[11:00] <monchu> gracies por t'o
[11:00] <darkstar> jhutchins: any file name will do?
[11:01] <jhutchins> darkstar: Yes.
[11:01] <jhutchins> darkstar: Although I suggest you make it meaningful and end in .iso.
[11:01] <jhutchins> darkstar: some versions of k3b will also rip iso's.
[11:02] <darkstar> jhutchins: i have the newest version of k3b
[11:03] <jhutchins> w/re previous thread, newer doesn't always mean more features.  the features are enabled in different releases of the same version depending on distributor - plugins and such.
[11:04] <dnorton> *problem* I can't get into password protected window's network shares
[11:04] <darkstar> jhutchins: ah, ok
[11:04] <neo_> lu
[11:05] <jhutchins> dnorton: are you a member of the workgroup?
[11:05] <jhutchins> dnorton: Do you have the correct accounts set up?
[11:06] <jhutchins> dnorton: REmember, you are either <network>
[11:06] <dnorton> I should be a member of the workgroup (how do I check?)
[11:06] <jhutchins> dnorton: REmember, you are either <network>\<username> or <machine>\<username>, not just <username>.
[11:07] <dnorton> when I go to enter another comp through konqueror, it throws a username and password request.
[11:08] <dnorton> It never goes through.
[11:09] <ScorpKing> dnorton: it must be an existing username and password that's on the windows box
[11:10] <dnorton> I think I'm using a username/password that is on the winbox.
[11:10] <lnx_> jhutchins , yea afcours not alwyas but in kde yes
[11:10] <lnx_> opsss sorry
[11:15] <ScorpKing> dnorton: it might be something on the windows box not letting you in. google for - password protect network shares in windows -  or something like that.
[11:16] <dnorton> scorpking: I am able to get into another machine like it that does ask for user/pass.
[11:17] <dnorton> scorpking: I have physical access to both, so I'll check for settings differences
[11:17] <ScorpKing> dnorton: then it's not linux
[11:24] <ScorpKing> i just got disconnected. was my msg about kopete posted?
[11:25] <ScorpKing> anyone?
[11:25] <DSOM> Hmm?
[11:25] <ScorpKing> lol. then i'll ask again. :)
[11:25] <ScorpKing> kopete keeps on crashing and i can't figure out why. it used to work fine untul now. when it does work i get messages from jabber (gtalk) but when i reply it sais "Message could not be delivered. Reason "". " how can i figure out what's wrong?
[11:35] <FroggyTheGreat> Heya.  Anyone here had experience compiling and running the cisco VPN client?
 llo
[11:40] <ScorpKing> hello!
[11:40] <poison--> did u try to unistall it and reinstall?
[11:40] <poison--> i mean, kopete
[11:41] <poison--> and why do u use it for irc?
[11:41] <poison--> im luvin xChat
[11:41] <poison--> rox
[11:41] <ScorpKing> i recompiled it to work with mxit.co.za and it worked fine for about 3 weeks until these last few days. :(
[11:42] <poison--> lmao
[11:42] <ScorpKing> i'm using konversation for irc
[11:42] <poison--> programed to die
[11:42] <dekc> hi
[11:42] <dekc> can u help?
[11:42] <poison--> need xchat cause i use encrypton in a few chans
[11:42] <poison--> hi dekc
[11:42] <poison--> shoot
[11:43] <dekc> i can't hear sounds
[11:43] <dekc> after i change my pc
[11:43] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: Do you think that maybe the web server changed something and now the software can't connect? Microsoft does that now and then with MSN.
[11:43] <poison--> did u check if sound isnt muted?
[11:43] <dekc> but kept the hard
[11:43] <ScorpKing> poison--: lol. there is some problem with their custom ejabbert code. sends "available" instead of "show"
[11:43] <dekc> yes
[11:43] <dekc> wait
[11:43] <poison--> lol scorpio
[11:43] <dekc> it
[11:43] <dekc> works
[11:43] <dekc> with amarok
[11:43] <dekc> and kaffeine
[11:43] <poison--> lmao
[11:43] <dekc> but with XMMS
[11:43] <dekc> and vlc
[11:43] <dekc> or videogames no
[11:43] <poison--> dekc, do: alsamixer
[11:43] <poison--> at console
[11:44] <poison--> check if therenst sumtin muted
[11:44] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: don't think so. it useually work for aout two hours before it starts stuffing around.
[11:44] <poison--> hi genii
[11:44] <dekc> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:44] <dekc> ???
[11:44] <poison--> hummm
[11:44] <poison--> so youre not usin alsa :D
[11:44] <ScorpKing> helo genii :)
[11:44] <dekc> it worked
[11:44] <slackern> lol genii i only see you sip a cup of coffee whenever i look into this channel :)
[11:44] <poison--> no need, no beer last nite
[11:44] <dekc> with my old pc
[11:45] <poison--> but tomorrow.. omfg
[11:45] <poison--> lmao
[11:45] <dekc> and yes i'm using alsa
[11:45] <poison--> dekc, i bet u need to install some dependencies
[11:45] <genii> slackern: I do it every channel i'm in but here more, it's generally quieter
[11:45] <poison--> libsound and stuff
[11:45] <genii> ScorpKing: :)
[11:45] <dekc> alsamixer is kmix?
[11:45] <poison--> need beer today
[11:45] <poison--> damn hot
[11:45] <poison--> no dekc
[11:45] <slackern> genii: i might have seen you elsewhere too too many channels around to be sure :)
[11:45] <poison--> diferent things
[11:46] <arkard> Hi everybody!!!!!
[11:46] <dekc> but i'm sure i have alsa
[11:46] <dekc> cuz i selected
[11:47] <arkard> i really need an administrator
[11:47] <genii> slackern: My standard list is #ubuntu #ubuntu-offtopic #kubuntu #kubuntu-offtopic    and sometimes #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-server #ubuntu+1
[11:47] <dekc> and how do i know if i have alsamixer or not
[11:48] <dekc> cuz apt-get doesn't find it
[11:48] <dekc> ?
[11:48] <poison--> u dont have it
[11:48] <poison--> if u did, when u type alsamixer @console it opens
[11:48] <dekc> and can i install alsamixer^?
[11:48] <poison--> its a fresh install?
[11:48] <dekc> no
[11:48] <poison--> yes
[11:48] <dekc> i told u that i have an old hdd
[11:49] <dekc> and i only change the pc
[11:49] <poison--> "pc"?
[11:49] <dekc> all new
[11:49] <poison--> like.. u changed motherboard?
[11:49] <dekc> computer
[11:49] <dekc> yes
[11:49] <dekc> all
[11:49] <dekc> processor
[11:49] <poison--> almao
[11:49] <dekc> motherboard
[11:49] <poison--> dats why buddie
[11:49] <arkard> Help, i need an admin
[11:50] <poison--> u need to setup all to work with the new hardware
[11:50] <dekc> cuz i change the motherboard?
[11:50] <ScorpKing> !ask | arkard
[11:50] <ubotu> arkard: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:50] <poison--> yes, specially if u do dat
[11:50] <dekc> and how can i do that
[11:50] <poison--> the motherboard is a diferent model from the old one?
[11:50] <dekc> strange that amarok works
[11:50] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know if there's something I need to do with KVPNC to make it work with a cisco VPN that has one of these random-token keys that change every minute?
[11:50] <dekc> still asus but newer
[11:50] <dekc> i think with 5.1
[11:50] <dekc> but not sure
[11:50] <poison--> diferent model
[11:51] <arkard> I want to be the representant of Kubuntu in Nicaragua, how can i do that?
[11:51] <dekc> is there any command to see my motherboard?
[11:51] <poison--> think u cant arkard
[11:51] <arkard> poison, why not?
[11:52] <poison--> dekc, u can check the hardware
[11:52] <poison--> cause its free
[11:52] <arkard> poison, i mean, be an official site and IRC of Kubuntu in Nicaragua
[11:52] <dekc> how can i reconfigure it?
[11:53] <arkard> for example kubuntu-ni
[11:53] <poison--> but i guess u can try to contact the guys dat mantain it
[11:53] <poison--> ohhhh
[11:53] <ScorpKing> ah
[11:53] <poison--> u should add a # before :D
[11:53] <poison--> lmao
[11:53] <dekc> how can i reconfigure it?
[11:54] <poison--> damn... installing 230MB of games for my daughter
[11:54] <arkard> poison, how can i contact those guys?
[11:54] <poison--> lol
[11:54] <poison--> ahahahah genii
[11:54] <poison--> really dunno
[11:54] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone have experience here with VPNC?
[11:54] <poison--> no, sorry
[11:54] <ScorpKing> poison--: it sould be added to the bot as well to be of some use. will the channel close if he exit?
[11:54] <poison--> dekc, justa  sec
[11:54] <arkard> and tell me poison, do you know how to request a channel in freenode?
[11:54] <dekc> k
[11:55] <poison--> arkard, dunno if freenode really manages the chans
[11:55] <arkard> really thanks for your help poison
[11:55] <ScorpKing> arkard: just type /join kubuntu-ni and it will create a channel but you'll be the only one there.
[11:56] <arkard> ill go to to find how
[11:56] <arkard> Cya guys
[11:56] <ScorpKing> bey
[11:56] <ceg23349> How do I install the GNOME library files?  Do I just dl them and save them in some "Windows/System32"-like directory?
[11:56] <poison--> dekc: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Comprehensive_Sound_Problems_Solutions_Guide
[11:57] <poison--> wow
[11:57] <ceg23349> Did I ask something dumb?
[11:57] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone have experience here with VPNC?
[11:57] <jon__> is there a channel for virtualbox?
[11:57] <dekc> don't load the page
[11:57] <poison--> no, its all about the other doode
[11:57] <poison--> humm
[11:57] <poison--> sec
[11:58] <poison--> dekc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:58] <poison--> hope dat one works
[11:58] <poison--> !sound
[11:58] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:59] <poison--> woot
[11:59] <ceg23349> !library
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about library - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <poison--> goin home
[11:59] <poison--> l8r guys
[11:59] <ceg23349> !API
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about api - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <ceg23349> !Meaning_of_life
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meaning_of_life - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <ceg23349> damn....
[11:59] <ScorpKing> !windows | ceg23349
[11:59] <ubotu> ceg23349: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[11:59] <dekc> !alsamixer
[11:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsamixer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:59] <LjL> !botabuse
[11:59] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[12:00] <Roey> hi
[12:00] <Roey> I have a Logitech mouse.  I'm trying to use it with KDM, but I need to be able to use xbindkeys in order to get the buttons working right.   So I put the line in my .xsession but it still doesn't work.  When I use the -v (verbose) flag for  xbindkeys -v -f .xbindkeys.rc, I see this error:  http://rafb.net/p/K8ZVeL99.html.  What does that mean!?!
[12:00] <ceg23349> ScorpKing rofl
[12:01] <dekc> with aplay -l
[12:01] <dekc> scheda 1: default [PnP Audio Device
[12:01] <ScorpKing> ceg23349: there is a big difference between linux and windows. google a bit and read those links. it will help a lot to get an idea of how linux works.
[12:01] <ScorpKing> ceg23349: i'll see if i can get you a few links. :)
[12:03] <ceg23349> scorpking: Alright then, that I will certainly do... But as for a specific question, I couldn't just take a library file and drop it in some directory somewhere and call it usable?
[12:03] <ScorpKing> ceg23349: http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/
[12:04] <mneptok> ceg23349: what are you trying to *do*?
[12:05] <ceg23349> I heard that the GNOME apps use a different set of library files (dll's in windows if I'm not mistaken... of course I probably am) than the KDE ones, and I was wondering if I could put the GNOME ones in Kubuntu in such a way as to make them work
[12:06] <mneptok> ceg23349: uhhh ... that's completely irrelevant in *Ubuntu
[12:06] <mneptok> ceg23349: what GNOME app do you want?
[12:07] <sourcemaker> how can I improve the performance of my kubuntu system?which services can be stopped?
[12:07] <ceg23349> mneptok: I actually plan on doing it the other way around on another machine; trying to use Amarok on my laptop which has Ubuntu but is currently out of battery
[12:07] <mneptok> sudo apt-get install amarok
[12:07] <mneptok> done.
[12:08] <jhutchins> ceg23349: Yes, there are seperate sets of common libraries for gonme and for kubuntu.  If you install an apt using apt/dpkg, it should install the libraries it needs.
[12:08] <jhutchins> ceg23349: KDE does a much better job of using shared loaded libraries for more efficiency.
[12:09] <ceg23349> I see.  Just as easy as that then.  Thanks all.
[12:11] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know where in VPNC I'd go to force it to resolve an address through the VPN, rather than trying through google search automatically?
[12:11] <ceg23349> jhutchins so... would a KDE app run noticeably slower on GNOME?
[12:14] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know where in VPNC I'd go to force it to resolve an address through the VPN, rather than trying through google search automatically?
[12:14] <ceg23349> wait... I think I understand what you were saying... and it just happens to not be what I thought it was when I started talking up there.  So yeah...    XFCE also has an option to pre-load the main kde libs.
[12:17] <sirvico> ok, cmo lo hago
[12:17] <sirvico> soy newbie
[12:17] <sirvico> novato
[12:18] <sirvico> en esto de linux
[12:18] <LjL> sirvico: escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[12:18] <sirvico> gracias
[12:19] <LjL> sirvico: y pone alguna pregunta all, ningun te podr ayudar si solo dices "help" :P
[12:20] <ceg23349> jhutchins Ah, I see.  So it would only be a minor performance hit and only in certain situations?
[12:22] <sirvico> gracias Ljl, solo quera saber los comandos del IRC
[12:22] <jhutchins> Right, just like loading any new program that didn't have the required libraries pre-loaded.
[12:22] <jhutchins> ceg23349: Generally gnome apps work as well under kde as under gnome; kde apps take a bit more of a hit under gnome.
[12:23] <jhutchins> ceg23349: recent benchmarks - and these things change constantly - show that KDE is more ram/cpu/disk I/O efficient in general.
[12:24] <wesley> hello i get after i wanna install a tarball and it ask my pasword i typ right in and say su: Authentication failure. How can is solve this?
[12:24] <mneptok> wesley: what command are you typing?
[12:24] <mneptok> and what is this tarball?
[12:24] <wesley> kbfx
[12:25] <mneptok> !info kbfx
[12:25] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>~rc4-1 (feisty), package size 1268 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[12:25] <wesley> http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/637/schermafdruk50gf5.jpg
[12:25] <mneptok> is there a reason you're not using the repo?
[12:25] <wesley> yes that one is out of date and i am 64 bit user
[12:25] <ceg23349> jhutchins: I see.  Sounds enough like the PC hardware/software tech races I'm used to seeing ;)
[12:26] <mneptok> wesley: so you're going to install a version precompiled by some dude on the Internet?
[12:27] <LjL> well it certainly must have been made with all the due care if it's so smart as to call "su" for you
[12:27] <mneptok> heeeeeeeehe
[12:27] <mneptok> if you don't know how to diagnose an su issue, you probbaly should not be using su
[12:27] <wesley> yes the tarball
[12:28] <wesley> http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/637/schermafdruk50gf5.jpg
[12:29] <genii> mneptok: My thought also which you voiced so eloquently
[12:29] <wesley> it ask if i wanna install as root of normal user i need to say root
[12:29] <LjL> wesley: except that tarball is so stupid that it doesn't consider the fact that one might have the root account locked.
[12:29] <LjL> ditch it
[12:31] <wesley> i can succeed but its a problem i get all the time
[12:31] <wesley> http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8866/schermafdruk51zq4.jpg
[12:31] <LjL> of course... because you can't use "su" on ubuntu
[12:31] <LjL> !sudo
[12:31] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:32] <wesley> i know about sudo but this one makes su from it
[12:32] <LjL> because it's braindead, ye
[12:32] <LjL> s
[12:32] <LjL> which is why i said ditch it
[12:33] <ceg23349> Perhaps this is not so much a technical question, but is it common for there to be IRC rooms with 300+ users where only like two of them talk?
[12:33] <LjL> find a proper ubuntu package if you can, or wait if you can't. or at the very least, compile from source from a sane tarball
[12:33] <wesley> it with most tarbals
[12:34] <LjL> ceg23349: about as much as it's common to have rooms with 1000+ users there where only about 20 most talk (#ubuntu)
[12:34] <LjL> wesley: "most tarballs" don't try to run "su" for you
[12:34] <LjL> so i don't know what tarballs you've been using
[12:34] <LjL> but you shouldn't have
[12:34] <ceg23349> so.... the ratios stay about the same xD.
[12:35] <wesley> i use kate for termimal most times
[12:35] <LjL> ceg23349: keep in mind this channel is joined by default when you're using the irc client that comes with kubuntu
[12:35] <ceg23349> yeah... that would be how I found it :D
[12:35] <Karti> Hi all, looking at learning databases and have a LAMP server up and running. Would people recommend that I use the MySQL and learn databases that way or should I go with the free Oracle download? All ideas welcome ;)
[12:35] <wesley> i going try a root shell
[12:36] <LjL> wesley: good luck, have a good time re-installing
[12:36] <ceg23349> karti: Sudden;y my brain hurts....
[12:36] <LjL> Karti, not sure why you should use proprietary software when several open source alternatives are available. even assuming they're inferior... if you're *learning* they should be fine
[12:36] <Karti> ceg23349: Ah one of those nights eh!
[12:36] <LjL> but i suggest you try PostgreSQL first
[12:37] <LjL> much more compliant with the SQL standard
[12:37] <wesley_> sometimes there no amd64
[12:37] <Karti> LjL, its the 600 a day as an Oracle DBA that might sway me ;)
[12:37] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know which kde app mimics Windows's Remote Desktop Connection app?
[12:37] <LjL> wesley_: which is why most people who aren't familiar with compiling stuff install the i386 version rather than amd64
[12:37] <genii> FroggyTheGreat: krdc
[12:38] <FroggyTheGreat> Oh.
[12:38] <FroggyTheGreat> Been trying that and ht's not been able to find the servers.  Hmm.
[12:38] <LjL> Karti, SQL is SQL is SQL. learn that first (hopefully using a free DBMS), then you can learn about the Oracle extensions later if you wish
[12:38] <Karti> LjL: Happy with that.....cheers
[12:39] <ScorpKing> FroggyTheGreat: i seem to have the same problem with krdc. :(