[12:00] <Seveas> IcemanV9, ah
[12:00] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: maybe that's why .. no signal for you to test it
[12:00] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: i'm not familiar with all the fancy multiplexed commands
[12:00] <eliUbuntu> ok,
[12:00] <IcemanV9> Seveas: i am using madwifi as well
[12:00] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, are you using the GUI tools for networking or the command line?
[12:00] <Troy_McClure> Seveas, i did both those commands
[12:00] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, I did all this earlier at an Internet cafe, and could not get it going.
[12:00] <eliUbuntu> hda 3 though is the hard linux drive =\
[12:00] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, that's ok
[12:00] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I prefer the command line.
[12:00] <spermie_411> hey i forgot how to copy files over with ssh, is it something like: cp /home/josh/Desktop/cedegawhatever spermie@ip: /home/spermie/Desktop
[12:01] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, it should be errors=remount-ro :)
[12:01] <IcemanV9> HaroldJohnson: right now, i am at the library using their wireless service
[12:01] <cmatheson> spermie_411: scp
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> whew....
[12:01] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Great, that's fantastic.
[12:01] <knoppix> so know one uses vmware ?
[12:01] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, good, I like that attitude, makes it easier to debug :)
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> thanks seveas
[12:01] <HaroldJohnson> IcemanV9, Wish I could do the same.
[12:01] <knoppix> with ubuntu ?
[12:01] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: i will update you how the program works in a minute. getting ready to umount
[12:01] <IcemanV9> Seveas: any suggestion?
[12:02] <eliUbuntu> correct command? -> umount hda# ?
[12:02] <HaroldJohnson> Everyone: I'm just so frustrated at this process.  Ubuntu has the most awesome support channel I've ever been in, but I'm very frustrated with getting this last stage going: my Internet access.
[12:02] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network
[12:02] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Okay, I'll try that again.
[12:02] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: sudo umount /dev/hd*
[12:02] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, you can see whether it has picked ot by typing iwconfig ath0
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> hey guys, what do I put in my fstab options to mount a device so that it belongs to nick(1000) ?
[12:03] <knoppix> hello
[12:03] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, one more thing: some notebooks have a wifi button, this sometimes has to be enabled to be used
[12:03] <zuti> ivoks :)
[12:03] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if iwlist ath0 scan shows networks it is enabled
[12:03] <Troy_McClure> !ati
[12:03] <ubotu> well, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:03] <spermie_411> cmatheson, Wow scp =) that one letter was my headache
[12:03] <knoppix> so should i forget about using vmware and ubuntu
[12:03] <knoppix> and just install it ?
[12:03] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, uid=1000,gid=100
[12:03] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: and then remount yes?
[12:03] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, This is a PowerBook (Mac), so it doesn't have a wifi button.
[12:03] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, works only on ntfs/fat
[12:03] <cmatheson> spermie_411: ;)
[12:04] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, ok, that's one pain in the a** less
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: why gid=100 ?
[12:04] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: yes, sudo mount /dev/hd*
[12:04] <eliUbuntu> ok
[12:04] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, because i missed a 0 there
[12:04] <XRayNuke> HaroldJohnson: you're using a CardBus WiFi card, right?
[12:04] <knoppix> yes ?
[12:04] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I'm not certain iwlist ath0 scan is displaying networks.
[12:04] <knoppix> hey yawner
[12:04] <dh0> i want /dev/lirc to be linked to the real file /dev/lirc0 how do i do that in a lasting way?
[12:04] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, it should be gid=1000
[12:04] <Yawner> hello
[12:04] <HaroldJohnson> XRayNuke, Yes, a D-Link
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: o, thank you
[12:04] <knoppix> do you use vmware by any chance ?
[12:04] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, does it give any output?
[12:05] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes - what should I be looking for?
[12:05] <Seveas> well, if it doesn't say 'no networks found' or something like that it's working :)
[12:05] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: didnt work, there is some text on the error? how do i use the #flood command?
[12:05] <Seveas> it should give about 10-20 lines of information per network
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: yay thanks
[12:06] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes, but when I test it by running the command "ping google.com", it returns "ping: unknown host google.com"
[12:06] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, you need to associate to a network first
[12:06] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: you open a new channel window for #flood or use a pastebin (see the /topic)
[12:06] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, that is done with iwconfig
[12:06] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, What is that process?
[12:06] <knoppix> vmware
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: #flood is a channel, not a command.  You join it, tell people you're going there, and then paste things there.  Use a pastebin though, it's better
[12:07] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, if you: iwconfig ath0 essid any && iwconfig ath0 enc open     then it should pick up any open network
[12:07] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, I've read the man, by the way, and it's not very newbie-friendly.
[12:07] <hd420> bloody ubuntu
[12:07] <eliUbuntu> !pastebin
[12:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, pastebin is at http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[12:07] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, indeed
[12:07] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yet it's not.
[12:07] <Seveas> !forget pastebin
[12:07] <ubotu> Seveas: i forgot pastebin
[12:07] <knoppix> so is ubuntu worth trying out ?
[12:07] <aptloverg> um
[12:07] <knoppix> am i wasting my time
[12:07] <Seveas> ubotu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ or #flood
[12:07] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> knoppix: yes
[12:07] <knoppix> cool
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> knoppix: especially if you just use a knoppix live cd
[12:08] <hd420> knoppix: depends on what sort of person you are
[12:08] <knoppix> i'm trying to get in on my vmware
[12:08] <bungopolis> knoppix -- what kind of answer do you expect with that question in this room?
[12:08] <Seveas> HaroldJohnson, is it ok if I talk to you in private, it's a bit busy in here
[12:08] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, So that's that.
[12:08] <HaroldJohnson> Seveas, Yes, absolutely.
[12:08] <aptloverg> ho do i know the package version of gaim I can get over apt?
[12:08] <nxv_> which ident server is preferred with postgresql in ubuntu?
[12:08] <knoppix> but for some reason i'm getting an error
[12:08] <knoppix> i went on the wiki and followed the instructions
[12:08] <aptloverg> apt-cache gaim -?
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> well ubuntu has been the top pagerank on distrowatch for the last 6 months, I think it must be pretty popular
[12:08] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: here is what is the error states: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/312171
[12:09] <aptloverg> anyone quick comand line quote?
[12:09] <knoppix> but when i try to sudo ./runme.pl
[12:09] <hd420> apt is still less than forgiving when you make changes yourself
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: read what it says, your device is mounted and it tells you where
[12:09] <knoppix> i get this :
[12:09] <aptloverg> apt-cache gaim -what--version bla?
[12:09] <knoppix> Unable to open the installer database /etc/vmware/locations in read-mode.
[12:09] <knoppix> Execution aborted.
[12:09] <hd420> which is the problem i'm having at present
[12:09] <eliUbuntu> i did read it. i tried to umount it and remount
[12:09] <aptloverg> can anyone hear? me?
[12:09] <XRayNuke> Question: I'm trying to boot from a USB external hard drive on a ThinkPad right now. It Ubuntu set GRUB up to boot with "quiet splash",
[12:09] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: is hda5 mounted at /dev/hda5?
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> aptloverg: yes, we can hear you.  I have no idea what you're talking about though.  Generally I'd say "apt-cache search"
[12:10] <XRayNuke> and i've turned that off. how do I slow down the boot info so I can see why it's failing?
[12:10] <dmk> apt-cache showpkg gaim
[12:10] <aptloverg> yaay cool im not blocked or somthing :D
[12:10] <dmk> show sorry
[12:10] <bungopolis> aptloverg: try apt-cache show gaim | grep Version
[12:10] <dmk> apt-cache show
[12:10] <eliUbuntu> no hda5 is mounted as /media/winlin
[12:10] <hd420> any apt gurus up for a challenge?
[12:11] <jo> hi i have problem with X,how can i change from console resolution ?
[12:11] <aptloverg> bungopolis: :D ok
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> hd420: challenging?
[12:11] <jeanluc> hi
[12:11] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: so you are in business?
[12:11] <jeanluc> I need a lot of help
[12:11] <benjaminwr> is there anything in the bios that might be preventing me from writting the MBR of my hard disks?
[12:11] <eliUbuntu> lol, nope in astronomy
[12:11] <spermie_411> i got this cedega tgz file on my desktop, but not sure how to install it? Noob<~~ sorry for these dumb questin
[12:11] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:11] <spermie_411> i think its sudo cp /home/spermie/Desktop/cedega_4.3-1.i386.tgz
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> spermie_411: if it's .tgz, it's probably meant for slackware
[12:11] <hd420> tiglion: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/530
[12:11] <sam_> are there any stats for which of ubuntu and kubuntu is the more downloaded/popular one?
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Yes. Turn off boot sector virus protection if you can find it.
[12:12] <hd420> see if u can make heads from tails out of that one
[12:12] <mumbles> nother questio from me.. whats the linux flight sim game ending in x11 ?
[12:12] <bungopolis> I'm currently using Totem as my media player, but I would like an in-browser media player. The only ones I can see are mozilla-mplayer and mozilla-plugin-vlc -- which one is reccomended? I've used mozilla-mplayer on another machine and it's a bit buggy.
[12:12] <benjaminwr> i cant see it in the bios menu
[12:12] <dmk> no, cedega just name their tar.gz files tgz
[12:12] <benjaminwr> is that ever implemented as a jumper?
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: not that I've ever heard of...
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> hd420: wow, that's fun
[12:12] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: what options do you have?
[12:13] <benjaminwr> i can't find boot sector virus protection
[12:13] <aptloverg> bungopolis: show is the thing i wasn't aware off :D
[12:13] <dmk> thats me off now, take it easy everyone
[12:13] <bungopolis> aptloverg: you could also use the synaptic package manager to see it
[12:13] <benjaminwr> and there doesn't seem to be anything else to secure MBR in my bios settings
[12:13] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:13] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: your drives are mounted successfully?
[12:13] <benjaminwr> but I can't install grub
[12:13] <spermie_411> tiglionabbit woulnt alian change it to a deb.?
[12:14] <hd420> tiglion: you up for trying to solve it?
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: it is possible to use totem or xine using a special firefox addon.  There's something in the forums about that, I'll find it for you
[12:14] <benjaminwr> after installing it reboots to nothing
[12:14] <aptloverg> bungopolis: just wanted the skill
[12:14] <aptloverg> chears
[12:14] <bungopolis> jeanluc: have you installed the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin?
[12:14] <jeanluc> yes
[12:14] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Most recent BIOSes don't have boot sector protection. If you can't find it, it'
[12:14] <bungopolis> sorry, package not plugin
[12:14] <XRayNuke> 's probably not there.
[12:14] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: im gonna reboot. the /media/winlin mount on hda5 was done through fstab on boot. maybe rebooting will help. plus now mount umout says hda5 is mounted multiple times
[12:14] <aptloverg> bungopolis: um you couldn't help me trouble shot a sound card?
[12:15] <benjaminwr> XrayNuke its a new computer has asus a8n-sli deluxe mobo
[12:15] <eliUbuntu> will be back in few minutes
[12:15] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: thanks
[12:15] <bungopolis> aptloverg: what's the problem?
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: well, I would, if i could connect to ubuntuforums at the moment...  it's...  slow
[12:15] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: yeah, that doesn't have it, it's waaaay too new. My girlfriend has one of those. It's a pretty sweet mobo.
[12:15] <ablyss> hey guys.. do i have to reboot after updating my kernel image?
[12:15] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: will be here when you return
[12:15] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: yeah it's not loading at all for me right now either
[12:15] <acid2> Does anyone know how to connect to a :sserver: with cvs?
[12:15] <eliUbuntu> k
[12:15] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: You sure the hard drive is good?
[12:15] <acid2> im getting "unknown method"
[12:16] <sizzam> ubuntuforums.org  borked?
[12:16] <benjaminwr> tried with three different ones
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: I personally just installed mplayer-586 and mozilla-mplayer, and w32codecs.  That took care of my browsing needs
[12:16] <XRayNuke> benjaminwr: Curious. Do you have another machine you could use to install Grub?
[12:16] <dylan_> still having problems getting java to work
[12:16] <benjaminwr> mmm
[12:16] <bungopolis> ok, that's what I have on my old system, but i wasnt totally happy with mozilla-mplayer (sometimes the video would be masked off, and the UI sucks)
[12:16] <ablyss> whys that dylan_
[12:16] <nalioth> dylan_: r u on an x86 version of ubuntu?
[12:16] <benjaminwr> can I install grub to a USB drive
[12:16] <benjaminwr> ??
[12:17] <XRayNuke> yeah
[12:17] <osity> ive got ubuntu installed...how do i raid my other 2 matching drives?
[12:17] <dylan_> yes im on the pressed CD x86 version...i dont know why. ive followed EVERYONE's directions.  it just doesn't work
[12:17] <benjaminwr> how would I go about doing that
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: how did you install it?  The easiest way is by adding hoary-extras to your sources.list and then getting sun-j2sdk1.5
[12:17] <hd420> tig: any ideas?
[12:17] <dylan_> i tried doing that
[12:17] <XRayNuke> in fact, i'm trying to un%&^*$ an Ubuntu install on a USB drive right now, so I don't recommend that
[12:17] <bungopolis> tiglionabbit: only really need the jre, not the sdk
[12:17] <dylan_> wait, how do i enable hoary-extras
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: okay, sun-j2re1.5
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: same repo
[12:17] <ablyss> dylan_: where is your java installed at?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[12:17] <ubotu> from memory, sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[12:18] <dylan_> i don't know
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> how hard is it to install a better file browser into ubuntu? i used to use natiullus and i liked that
[12:18] <aptloverg> bungopolis: I don't know just know sound, where do i find what has been probed and what sound drivers a beeing used?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: that wiki will show you how to add the hoary-extras repository, and the rest is just using apt or synaptic
[12:18] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: try konqueror or mc
[12:18] <ablyss> dylan_: well, not knowing is a sure way of never getting it to work
[12:18] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: or xffm4
[12:18] <ablyss> updatedb then type locate *java
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> konqueror is for KDE though right?
[12:18] <Troy_McClure> i am getting used to gnome, do not want to swithc
[12:18] <bungopolis> dylan_: sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: ubuntu uses nautilus by default
[12:18] <dylan_> is there a way to do it easily, and when i mean easily i mean not with all the terribly long strings ot text to write
[12:19] <dylan_> thanks bung...
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: er..
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: sure..
[12:19] <bungopolis> yeah? what's wrong
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: generally, I use a real editor
[12:19] <bungopolis> bash is a real editor, tiglionabbit :)
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> bungopolis: I prefer vim
[12:19] <dylan_> ok i did  sudo echo "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse  restricted" >> /etc/apt/sources.list  and i didnt get a message.  is that good?
[12:19] <Seveas> dylan_, yes
[12:19] <bungopolis> dylan_ yes
[12:19] <dylan_> now what do i do?
[12:19] <Troy_McClure> why does it not look like the old nautillus then?
[12:19] <dylan_> apt-get update?
[12:19] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: worked like a charm
[12:20] <mumbles> anyways
[12:20] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: great!
[12:20] <mumbles> im off to bed
[12:20] <bungopolis> dylan_ the >> just appended that line to the end of your apt sources list (you could also have used vim or gedit or any text editor to add it yourself)
[12:20] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: great program. did you write it?
[12:20] <mumbles> nn all
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: dunno, try changing your theme, and the settings in applications -> system tools -> configuration editor
[12:20] <nalioth> nope, just advised on a bit of it
[12:20] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: Seveas wrote the thing
[12:20] <bungopolis> dylan_ now sudo apt-get update, and then sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[12:20] <dylan_> i just noticed that i already have sun-j2sdk1.5
[12:20] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: cheers then to your team who wrote it
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <jeanluc> I have tried mp3's in every media player and installed gstreamer mad but no mp3s is working but .wav works so can some one help me play mp3
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: then you don't need to install it
[12:21] <bungopolis> jeanluc: please dont spam
[12:21] <jeanluc> sorry
[12:21] <jeanluc> I need help with this though
[12:21] <ablyss> get in line jeanluc
[12:21] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: does it appear to play but make no sound?  Have you tried beep-media-player?
[12:21] <Seveas> jeanluc, read the page I gave you the link to...
[12:21] <aptloverg> bye for now everyone
[12:21] <dylan_> i have j2sdk1.5 but not  the jre what is the difference
[12:21] <jeanluc> I did that
[12:21] <jeanluc> still don't work
[12:22] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: good program you wrote - thanks
[12:22] <XRayNuke> j2sdk includes the JRE
[12:22] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: describe how it didn't work
[12:22] <aptloverg> bungopolis: thanks for the apt  show help :D
[12:22] <ablyss> jeanluc: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[12:22] <jeanluc> I go into beep or xmms and the other media players
[12:22] <dylan_> ok so if i already have java why doesnt it work within firefox or epiphany?
[12:22] <jeanluc> open the mp3
[12:22] <jeanluc> it shows its playing
[12:22] <Seveas> jeanluc, beep & xmms don't work by default
[12:22] <ablyss> xmms is poo poo on Gnome
[12:22] <jeanluc> but there is no sound
[12:22] <bungopolis> dylan_ SDK is the Software Development Kit which includes the Java Runtime Environment, but you only need the JRE unless you plan to do Java development
[12:22] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it may not be linked
[12:22] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:22] <XRayNuke> dylan_: did you install a java plugin?
[12:22] <bungopolis> aptloverg: give me a sec for your sound problem
[12:22] <jeanluc> when I use e sound
[12:22] <jeanluc> it gives error
[12:23] <dylan_> im trying to get java to work within my browser.  firefox wont install the JRE
[12:23] <ablyss> dont use xmms
[12:23] <acid2> cvs [login aborted] : Could not open SSL certificate file '/home/acid2/.cvsSSLkeys': No such file or directory
[12:23] <acid2> What can I do about that?
[12:23] <jeanluc> Couldn't open audio.
[12:23] <jeanluc> Please check that:
[12:23] <jeanluc> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected.
[12:23] <jeanluc> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.
[12:23] <jeanluc> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly.
[12:23] <misfit_toy> can anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me.
[12:23] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:23] <jeanluc> is the error I get
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: that's what I was asking.  Okay, then it is not an mp3 issue.  If I were you, I would right-click on the volume icon and go through every device listed and turn it up, except master sound which you can turn down a bit to not break your speakers.
[12:23] <eliUbuntu> dylan: firefox cannot install JRE. you have to do it through the synaptic
[12:23] <socomm> dylan_: You may need a link to the plugin from firefox's plugin directory.
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> jeanluc: also, this forum post helped me get sound working a little better, if the forums are up
[12:23] <dylan_> ok thats what im doing, eliUbuntu. will that then work?
[12:23] <tiglionabbit> !sound
[12:23] <ubotu> sound is, like, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:23] <Troy_McClure> whats the best linux media player?
[12:23] <jeanluc> there down
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it should
[12:24] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, depends on what you call best
[12:24] <XRayNuke> Troy: I favor VLC.
[12:24] <dylan_> thanks
[12:24] <socomm> Troy_McClure: mplayer
[12:24] <acid2> xie
[12:24] <nalioth> Troy_McClure: that is subjective
[12:24] <acid2> xine*
[12:24] <dylan_> will it work in Firefox, eliUbuntu?
[12:24] <Seveas> Troy_McClure, I prefer beep :)
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> make sure you shutdown firefox and open it again
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[12:24] <ubotu> [multimedia]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:24] <eliUbuntu> once installed
[12:24] <ablyss> linux isn't a media OS.. so they pretty much all suck
[12:24] <dylan_> great
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> that wiki has screenshots and descriptions of many major media players
[12:24] <Seveas> ablyss, nonsense...
[12:24] <tiglionabbit> ablyss: ay, stfu
[12:24] <jeanluc> I used red hat
[12:24] <ablyss> truth hurts
[12:24] <bungopolis> Troy_McClure I quite like Totem, which comes with Ubuntu -- it can use either the xine or the gstreamer multimedia framework and has a nice, simple UI (I also use mplayer however)
[12:24] <jeanluc> and it played mp3 just fine
[12:24] <dylan_> i say mplayer is the best media player
[12:24] <sizzam> can anyone get to www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:24] <Seveas> jeanluc, did you even read what I said..?
[12:25] <socomm> ablyss: Haha.
[12:25] <bungopolis> forums rae down sizzam
[12:25] <Seveas> sizzam, no
[12:25] <jeanluc> what?
[12:25] <ablyss> hehe
[12:25] <bungopolis> are
[12:25] <Seveas> jeanluc: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[12:25] <eliUbuntu> xine is the best - never had a problem with it
[12:25] <sizzam> thanks guys
[12:25] <Troy_McClure> well on windows i use winamp so something that will make that transistion smooth
[12:25] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: he's right, linux is not a 'media OS'
[12:25] <jeanluc> I changed to e sound
[12:25] <eliUbuntu> for music, movies, and so on
[12:25] <jeanluc> but I get this error when I play mp3's using esound output
[12:25] <martigan> who can help me with cpu scaling for a mobile p4?
[12:25] <jeanluc> Couldn't open audio.
[12:25] <jeanluc> Please check that:
[12:25] <jeanluc> 1. You have the correct output plugin selected.
[12:25] <jeanluc> 2. No other programs is blocking the soundcard.
[12:25] <jeanluc> 3. Your soundcard is configured properly.
[12:25] <dylan_> ok apt just finished installing the java jre....now what should i do?  restart, log out, or just restart the browser?
[12:25] <socomm> Troy_McClure: Try beep-media-player, it's a winamp clone.
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: well, distro watch has 'top media distros' listed
[12:25] <bungopolis> dylan_ just restart the browser
[12:25] <dylan_> k cool
[12:25] <XRayNuke> restarting the browser should do it
[12:25] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: just the browser
[12:25] <maggotbrain> acid2: you might have better luck on #cvs
[12:25] <Seveas> jeanluc, READ what people say. do NOT repeat and do NOT paste
[12:26] <eliUbuntu> bungopolis: you beat me to it :)
[12:26] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: hmm i wonder where the media stuff is, then
[12:26] <decaf> nalioth: it's a multipourpose os and should play videos if I use it as a desktop
[12:26] <bungopolis> mplayer does not support DVD menus (yet, if ever) Neither can gstreamer, which is why I like Totem with totem-xine installed instead of totem-gstreamer
[12:26] <ablyss> i enjoyed Amaroth (spelling) for media
[12:26] <ablyss> it was the best I tried so far
[12:26] <nalioth> decaf: if you use an x86 arch of ubuntu, it will play most everything except current MS video trash
[12:26] <socomm> bungopolis: The cvs version does not.
[12:26] <XRayNuke> VLC supports DVD menues.
[12:27] <eliUbuntu> dylan: does it work now?
[12:27] <dylan_> nope
[12:27] <bungopolis> socomm the cvs version of what does not what?
[12:27] <ablyss> i'm currently using beep media player
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> Top 5 multimedia distros: GeeXboX, MoviX, dyne:bolic, AGNULA, Mediainlinux
[12:27] <acid2> maggotbrain, all seem dead there
[12:27] <socomm> bungopolis: Mplayer, earlier versions might.
[12:28] <dylan_> what do i do?
[12:28] <bungopolis> decaf: you can also play win32 codecs, realplayer, quicktime ... there is really no limitation to ubuntu's multimedia capability with the right packages installed
[12:28] <ablyss> i guess I should visit OS watch more than once a year
[12:28] <maggotbrain> acid2: ah, i've only worked with pserver and ext with cvs, so I can't be of much help...
[12:28] <acid2> np
[12:28] <decaf> bungopolis: I have right packages installed :)
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> !multimedia
[12:28] <ubotu> rumour has it, multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[12:28] <acid2> im gonna idle there
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> ablyss: if you visit it now, you'll see Ubuntu has been the top distro for a while
[12:29] <Troy_McClure> i still can not figure out my GLX problem
[12:29] <decaf> bungopolis, nalioth: ffmpeg team has a solution for ms-mpeg4.
[12:29] <dylan_> tiglionabbit:  still doesnt work
[12:29] <ablyss> tiglionabbit: :)
[12:29] <shawarma> bungopolis: DRM protected wma.. That's still a no-can-do on Ubuntu.
[12:29] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: what doesn't work?
[12:29] <shido> vlc
[12:30] <XRayNuke> I hear ffmpeg also has something going for H.264.
[12:30] <socomm> dylan_: You'll need a link to your jre plugin from firefoxes plugin dir.
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:30] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:30] <dylan_> after installing the jre firefox does not accept java stuff
[12:30] <shido> use video lan on that meda
[12:30] <dylan_> how?
[12:30] <shido> should play fine
[12:30] <dylan_> note: i did not change the ffx dir
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> ubotu doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[12:30] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: okay
[12:30] <Hikaru79> Is anyone else having some problems with marillat? When I try to get the newest acroread from it, it tells me: acroread:
[12:30] <Hikaru79>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:30] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:30] <bungopolis> right, shawarma
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Hikaru79, don't use marilliat
[12:30] <Burgundavia> Hikaru79, use hoary-extras from the backports project
[12:30] <ablyss> brb diinner
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Okay, Burgundavia.
[12:31] <misfit_toy> can anyone else get to ubuntuforums? it appears down to me???
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> dylan_: what do you mean?  When you go to a page with a java applet, what do you see?  Have you tried other pages?
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Do you have a URL, Burgundavia ?
[12:31] <hd420> ubuntu doesn't work
[12:31] <hd420> it's shite
[12:31] <Troy_McClure> anyone help me getting my mousewheel working?
[12:31] <socomm> misfit_toy: The forums are down.
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> hd420: works for me
[12:31] <Troy_McClure> !mouse
[12:31] <ubotu> Troy_McClure: I haven't a clue
[12:31] <Burgundavia> the actual reason is taht sarge broke compatibility with hoary just before the it released, due to some bug fixes
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> !doesn't work
[12:31] <ubotu> I heard doesn't work is something you should never say.  Be more specific.
[12:31] <misfit_toy> socomm, ok thx
[12:31] <bungopolis> aptloverg: lspci | grep audio to see if the device is being detected by the kernel
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> dylan: check out this link -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?highlight=%28java%29
[12:31] <shawarma> hd420: Huh?
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> dylan: it help out
[12:31] <hd420> tig: well, care to take a crack at the issue i'm having?
[12:31] <dylan_> i get the message additional plugins required
[12:31] <tiglionabbit> hd420: what, the crazy apt message?
[12:31] <eliUbuntu> may help out <- i mean
[12:31] <hd420> tig: yea
[12:32] <dylan_> no, the ffx message
[12:32] <hd420> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/530
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> hd420: paste your sources.list please.
[12:32] <dylan_> where is that?
[12:32] <tiglionabbit> hd420: and be sure to have sudo apt-get update 'd with it
[12:32] <deathpsyko> hi
[12:32] <dylan_> ooops nvmind
[12:33] <Troy_McClure> does amarock only work in KDE then?
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: no, you can run anything in either desktop environment
[12:33] <deathpsyko> did someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?
[12:33] <pgidz> dylan try clicking on the plug-in FAQ in ff and follow what they say to get java working
[12:33] <hd420> ok... deb ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[12:33] <hd420> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[12:33] <hd420> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <knoppix> so no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> Troy_McClure: people just avoid to sometimes because then they must install the supporting libraries for
[12:33] <hd420> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[12:33] <hd420> sorry
[12:33] <socomm> What the heck.
[12:33] <tiglionabbit> hd420: IN A PASTEBIN
[12:33] <Seveas> damnit
[12:33] <knoppix> so no one can help me with my ubuntu vmware proablem ???
[12:33] <dylan_> pgidz:  i did, and they just say to use the Sun.com binary, which did not work either
[12:33] <Seveas> they always do that when i'm away
[12:34] <Xappe> hd420: stop that please, you're disturbing my idling
[12:34] <pgidz> dylan have you set up the symlink
[12:34] <bungopolis> aptloverg: lsmod | grep snd to see what sound modules have been loaded by your kernel
[12:34] <eliUbuntu> What creates .ICEauthority?
[12:34] <dylan_> pgidz:  dont know how
[12:34] <deathpsyko> so, did someone installed nvidia driver ( script from nvidia website, the latest one, not the packet ) on ubuntu amd64 ?
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> eliUbuntu: probably ICEwm
[12:34] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: idk, but its a pita, aint it?
[12:34] <pgidz> dylan follow what it says on the plugin site
[12:34] <dylan_> ok...
[12:34] <eliUbuntu> yep
[12:34] <tiglionabbit> !java
[12:34] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[12:34] <socomm> Troy_McClure: Under the InputDevice Section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file add the following: Option ZAxisMapping "4 5".
[12:34] <stanley1> hello everyonw
[12:35] <pgidz> dylan if you have any probs ask somebody in here to help
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> hd420: got that pastebin ready?
[12:35] <dylan_> i followed the wiki page but i still get the message "Additional plugins are required to view this page."
[12:35] <stanley1> is anybody willin to assist a brand new brain?
[12:35] <tiglionabbit> stanley1: sure
[12:36] <eliUbuntu> .ICEauthority though blocks me from loading gnome from GDM correct?
[12:36] <socomm> Troy_McClure: That will enable your scroll wheel.
[12:36] <osity> can i use the ubuntu raid tools to prepare my secondary and 3rd drive for raid 1?
[12:36] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, if it does that, log in at a console and delete that file
[12:36] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: .ICEauthority can be safely deleted while at the login screen
[12:36] <Seveas> stanley1, just say what you need help with :)
[12:36] <eliUbuntu> Seveas: I have done that a few times now
[12:37] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, but it keeps on b0rking?
[12:37] <osity> has anyone setup raid 1 on ubuntu?
[12:37] <Xappe> hmm, i'm looking for a good calendar app that isn't evolution, any suggestions?
[12:37] <eliUbuntu> borking... eli finds himself at a loss of works... never heard of it
[12:37] <stanley1> is anyone willing to help a braindead newbie?
[12:37] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Have you tried Sunbird? It's a bit new, but it's at least up to around Palm Desktop functionality
[12:37] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, b0rking/failing/not working
[12:37] <Seveas> stanley1, just say what you need help with :)
[12:37] <socomm> Seveas: Are you paid for operating #ubuntu?
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> ah, sometimes.
[12:38] <stanley1> ah.. what??
[12:38] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: its a known problem, i hear that nautilus changes it from rw to ro for some strange reason
[12:38] <Xappe> XRayNuke: nope, thanks for the tip
[12:38] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, maybe you run GUI programs as root?
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> ... i dont know
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> thinking about it
[12:38] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, you should not do that unless the programs are designed to be able to run as root
[12:38] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: which is the "root" of all evil
[12:38] <eliUbuntu> i dont run as root on the terminal to initiate programs
[12:39] <Troy_McClure> is there any way to fix that silly esd conflict with the sound driver?
[12:39] <osity> seveas: know anyone that know how to setup raid?
[12:39] <stanley1> well actually im tryng to install my nvidia drivers
[12:39] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: not at all, just dont run nautilus/other gui apps as root (some of them will rampage throughout your userland)
[12:39] <eliUbuntu> hmm, i did move a kernel program to usr/local/path/kernel via root
[12:39] <Seveas> osity, have you tried the wiki?
[12:40] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, with nautilus?
[12:40] <stanley1> u all must new im brand new at this and i need someone with patience
[12:40] <LokeDK> I don't know why.. but when I switch theme in gnome, the colors does not longer change? I mean the theme in the window
[12:40] <osity> Seveas: I've tried everything...
[12:40] <osity> i
[12:40] <nomis_> Traxer|off, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?
[12:40] <osity> what is wiki?>
[12:40] <Xappe> XRayNuke: is that the mozilla calendar?
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: how do you run nautilus as root? i dont think i did that...
[12:40] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: sudo in a terminal is ok
[12:40] <Seveas> osity, http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> oh... i only do root in terminal
[12:40] <Seveas> eliUbuntu, ah that's ok
[12:40] <eliUbuntu> i dont know any other way to run root
[12:40] <Troy_McClure> !sound
[12:41] <ubotu> I heard sound is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063
[12:41] <osity> thanks
[12:41] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Very nearly. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html
[12:41] <eliUbuntu> Seveas and nalioth: thanks for the help im off to work on the computer with fingers crossed to no troubles
[12:41] <blmartin771> Thanks for all the help so far guys :)
[12:41] <blmartin771> I love ubuntu so far
[12:41] <osity> thanks!
[12:41] <XRayNuke> Xappe: supposedly it has less Netscape Bloat(TM).
[12:41] <db2> ok, so I'm installing Ubuntu, and after it tells me to remove the CD so it can reboot, it comes back, and the screen is now nothing but these weird red vertical lines, and there's no text or anything...  um. is this normal?
[12:41] <eliUbuntu> of zal ik doeg zegen ;)
[12:42] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: huh?
[12:42] <Xappe> XRayNuke: ah, thanks. I was a bit worried I'd have to install the mozilla suite
[12:42] <geocator_> I just installed yesterday, one head of my vid card is garbage.  No problem will solve later, boot today, both moitors show garbage.  Nvidia 6600
[12:42] <geocator_> I tried installing nvidia drivers, but the install locks up
[12:42] <nalioth> Xappe: you probably will have to
[12:42] <nalioth> Xappe: just for the gecko engine
[12:42] <geocator_> I am linux noob, please help
[12:43] <nomis_> Troy_McClure, did you try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly ?
[12:43] <othernoob> nalioth are you familiar with printing problems?
[12:43] <nalioth> othernoob: sorry, i am not. i dont own printers nor encourage others to own them either
[12:43] <othernoob> lol
[12:43] <socomm> !ubuntuguide
[12:43] <ubotu> [ubuntuguide]  a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:44] <nalioth> othernoob: however i know cups will drive most printers
[12:44] <Seveas> nomis_, that ubuntuguide item is total crap
[12:44] <Xappe> nalioth: nah? as far as I can understand it's a standalone one
[12:44] <nalioth> othernoob: and "man cups" will lead you to the magical URL that will allow you to configure cups
[12:44] <Seveas> it should be called configuresoundinabadandnonstandardway
[12:44] <nalioth> Xappe: like galeon or mozilla-firefox?
[12:44] <othernoob> nalioth: my prob is that i have a pdf with a tiny little bit of colour in it and a b/w laser printer. and it won't print it.
[12:45] <Xappe> nalioth: or thunderbird
[12:45] <nalioth> othernoob: get a hammer, wave it at the printer
[12:45] <othernoob> lol
[12:45] <nalioth> Xappe: they all require mozilla, iirc
[12:45] <robert__> someone knows how to fix the speed problem i have when i'm ripping cd's using grip? it rips at 1.2x now, i belive its not possible to enable scsi emulation support in kernel 2.6x?
[12:46] <Xappe> no, I don't think so
[12:46] <nomis_> Seveas, it worked for me
[12:46] <Seveas> robert__, try enabling dma
[12:46] <robert__> Seveas: Okey, thx
[12:46] <Seveas> nomis_, that does not mean it's the correct way..
[12:46] <decaf> robert__: use cdda2wav with grip. look at it's options. if CD's are new. -P0 would be useful
[12:47] <robert__> decaf: allright, thx mate!
[12:47] <Xappe> nalioth: no, I don't think so...afaik standalone means standalone
[12:47] <nomis_> Seveas, so if you know it better, .. you can help Troy_McClure out ;)
[12:47] <nalioth> Xappe: i wonder why when i install galeon, epiphany, etc, it always installs mozilla.. .. ..
[12:47] <maggotbrain> sunbird is a standalone calender app
[12:48] <maggotbrain> you can use a plug-in for TBor FF with it
[12:48] <Xappe> nalioth: I have both epiphany and firefox, bot not the mozilla suite
[12:48] <Xappe> *but
[12:49] <nalioth> Xappe: not the suite, but you do have mozilla (i just did a apt-cache showpkg on epiphany and galeon)
[12:49] <XRayNuke> Is there something i'm missing about installing Ubuntu on an external USB hard drive? my install is failing with a "pivot_root: no such file or directory" and this is making me very sad.
[12:49] <nalioth> Xappe: kazehakase depends on mozilla
[12:51] <stimpie> someone knows a good howto on how to install the nvidia drivers on ubuntu?
[12:51] <nalioth> XRayNuke: it doesnt know how to look at the USB drive for continuing the installation
[12:51] <nalioth> !nvidia
[12:51] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <XRayNuke> nalioth: I'm sorry, I should have been more clear, I've already installed it, it just won't boot.
[12:52] <pagefault> hah ubotu
[12:52] <pagefault> nice name
[12:52] <nalioth> XRayNuke: so instruct your grub to look for it
[12:55] <HaroldJohnson> I love you all and I'm going to miss you.
[12:55] <nalioth> HaroldJohnson: goin on vacation?
[12:56] <aru> I've been searching around but cant really find a difinitive answer, does anyone know if a Netgear GA511 PC Card will work in linux?
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothNah, I'm just feeling crabby and frustrated.
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothI'm tired of all the difficulties with getting Ubuntu to do the basics.
[12:57] <ElllisD> can someone here please tell me either how i got banned from the channel i ought to direct the next question, which is how can I get a live cd in ramdisk to bring hda4's /home up into ram, too
[12:57] <HaroldJohnson> naliothThough it's probably because I'm on a PowerPC.
[12:58] <Troy_McClure> !ati
[12:58] <ubotu> from memory, ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <XRayNuke> nalioth: GRUB is loading and starting the kernel. It looks like it's dying partway through the init process.
[12:58] <nalioth> XRayNuke: well sounds like hte kernel isnt usb aware
[12:59] <nalioth> XRayNuke: or something
[01:00] <eliUbuntu> nalioth: how do i access the vfat drive from the terminal?
[01:01] <XRayNuke> nalioth: it's the default kernel from the 5.04 x86 install CD. a few lines before it dies, it shows "Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...", "usb-core: registered new driver usb-storage", "USB Mass Storage support registered"
[01:01] <Xappe> XRayNuke: hmm, can't find any source for compiling Sunbird, i'm on ppc
[01:01] <aru> !netgear
[01:01] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, aru
[01:01] <aru> darn
[01:01] <nalioth> eliUbuntu: "cd /media/whatever_you_named_dev/hda5"
[01:02] <eliUbuntu> k, thanks
[01:02] <Xappe> XRayNuke: nm, think I found it
[01:03] <nxv_> i cant get posgresql to work with ident identification
[01:03] <XRayNuke> Xappe: Sunbird's a bit new. You have to manually pull it out of CVS, I think. Instructions here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird_build.html
[01:03] <XRayNuke> xappe: i can verify (at least on Windows and FreeBSD) that once you get it going it does work nicely
[01:03] <nxv_> i tried several ident servers but cant get any to work with postgres
[01:04] <wdsl> do anyone know kanotix and the radeon-installer.sh? is there a simialar thing in ubuntu?
[01:04] <Hikaru79> Are the Ubuntu Forum servers down for anyoneelse?
[01:04] <dizzie> Whats the filesize limit on vfat(fat32) ?
[01:04] <Hikaru79> dizzie, 2 GB
[01:04] <Hikaru79> I'm pretty certain
[01:04] <nalioth> dizzie: 4gb
[01:04] <wdsl> me too
[01:04] <lcharly_TheOne> how can i configure a DHCP conection in the console
[01:05] <nalioth> Hikaru79: i remember because you can almost fit a dvd image on it <almost>
[01:05] <twisted_steel> Hikaru79: can't get to the forums either :(
[01:05] <Hikaru79> Ah, I see.
[01:05] <wdsl> #linux
[01:05] <dizzie> 4gb >_< how on earth can i transfer 4.3 GB iso images to a extern hdd then, dont say ext3 he doesnt have Linux :)
[01:05] <Xappe> XRayNuke: at least I have something to do getting it up and running :)
[01:06] <XRayNuke> there are ext2/3 drivers for Windows.
[01:06] <nalioth> dizzie: NTFS
[01:06] <nalioth> dizzie: thats right, there is ext2/3 drivers for win2k and xp
[01:06] <Hikaru79> There's a very good one that has full read/write access and complete windows explorer integration
[01:07] <dizzie> ntfs and samba then :)
[01:07] <tigliona1bit> XRayNuke: really?  how?
[01:07] <dizzie> cba trying to tell him why his disk got ext3 fs :)
[01:07] <othernoob> does anyone know a prog to manipulate pdf files?
[01:07] <maggotbrain> lcharly_TheOne: try dhclient
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : pdf2html
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> and html2pdf..
[01:08] <nalioth> othernoob: i know how to do it, i just cant say it right now
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> i suppose.
[01:08] <lcharly_TheOne> thanks
[01:08] <nalioth> othernoob: search synaptic for 'pdf'
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> pee dee eff
[01:09] <othernoob> nalioth, i searched. didn't find anything
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> anyone here play ut2004 on nix?
[01:09] <nalioth> othernoob: search "pkg names and contents"
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> i get crashes often, updating to latest patches but it takes ages to download 90mb
[01:09] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: I've seen pdf2html..but i don't want to convert it to manipulate it
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : pdf is like a zip, not too easy to just manipulate it and expect it to work afterwards...
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> imho
[01:11] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: all i need to do is to make everything black, instead of a few lines in colour, so i can print it.
[01:11] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: there are pdf tools for linux
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> my eyes hurt from ut2004
[01:11] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: pdf IS and open source format
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : just print it with the setting 'black+white only'
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : yeh but aint it encoded funnyly so its diffcult to change things?
[01:12] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: not if it isnt "locked'
[01:12] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: if i had found that option,i wouldn't be here ;)
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> othernoob : just drain the colour ink...
[01:13] <ed1t> the forums are dead?
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> except for green and prink on yellow paper
[01:13] <eyequeue> are there any currently-wprking backports mirrors?
[01:13] <pgidz> othernoob try pdftk
[01:13] <eyequeue> ed1t:  here as well :(
[01:13] <othernoob> lsuactiafner: and where?
[01:14] <alxwind> guys, how can i install a program from tar.gz?
[01:14] <eyequeue> is the mirrormax site up?
[01:14] <mpmc> Is there anyway,  I can Mix. all audio into one output instead of lots?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> hey?
[01:14] <othernoob> pgidz: i did, didn't really work
[01:14] <pgidz> othernoob ok
[01:14] <alxwind> i extraxted the archive and tried to run install.pl but nothing is happening
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> i'm not really in the mood to help as much as i am in the mood to comment on things i dont know anything about
[01:14] <alxwind> what should i do?
[01:15] <decaf> alxwind: of course you can. make sure there is no package available for that app. if not, learn to use 'checkinstall'
[01:15] <eyequeue> or are there any other currently-working backports mirrors?
[01:15] <medgno> alxwind, you check to see if it's on the ubuntu servers. It's tricky installing a .tar.gz file
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : perl install.pl
[01:16] <nalioth> othernoob: open a terminal and type "apt-cache search pdf" and see all the pdf tools available
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> medgno : it not tricky
[01:16] <nalioth> alxwind: in most archives is a README or INSTALL text file to read
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> tar -zxf file.tar.gz ; cd file- ; ./configure ; make ; make install
[01:17] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: be nice
[01:17] <medgno> lsuactiafner, if you want to install it globally, and make sure it won't interfere with upgrades, a .deb is much nicer
[01:17] <alxwind> thanks, perl install.pl helped me ;)
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> yeh and the ReADMe and INSTALL shoufl guide you
[01:17] <misfit_toy> man, why do the ubuntuforums go down so often?
[01:17] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: 'easy' for you, may seem be unknown to hte next user
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> so how you doin nalioth?
[01:19] <othernoob> nalioth: i already did, doctools might sound like the only prog.
[01:19] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: keepin busy
[01:20] <mbirkis> i have a web server standing behind a router... and i need ddclient to get the dynamic internet ip from the router to use instead of the local ip it gets from use=if, if=wlan0? can anyone help me with this?
[01:21] <dylan_> i find the program elinks pretty useless.  is there any use to it at all?
[01:22] <alxwind> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match my running kernel?
[01:22] <alxwind> or how to install it?
[01:22] <medgno> dylan_, I've more than a few times had use for a text-mode webbrowser
[01:22] <alxwind> hoary 5.04
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : /usr/src/linux/  and apt-get install kernel-headers or something
[01:23] <ubuntu> I've just started using Ubuntu from the Live CD, and I was wondering how I would save my personal files from my Mandrake installation if I install Ubuntu as my Linux version. I know to backup the files, like my e-mail and the rest but will I be able to insert the e-mail back into the Ubuntu mail program afterwards?
[01:23] <eyequeue> dylan_:  it is useful for reading web pages
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> lynx is also very usefull...
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> 1/4 of my browsin is with lynx
[01:24] <dylan_> yeah...hey is it true that linux has no viruses or spyware, as is claimed on the back of the pressed CD case?
[01:25] <cafuego> dylan_: Yeah, it's got worms, though ;-)
[01:25] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  don't overwrite the /home partition, and considering backing up /var/mail/$USER or /var/spool/mail/$USER for later reuse
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : yeh
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : even running a virus on purpose with wine doesnt work..
[01:25] <dylan_> thats funny
[01:26] <dylan_> cafuego says there are worms that are for linux...what is the probability of me getting one of those
[01:26] <cafuego> dylan_: You need to do pretty stupid stuff to get your nameserver infected though. (Like deliverately run an old version).
[01:26] <cafuego> dylan_: You're not at risk if you just use your machine as a user.
[01:26] <dylan_> so even a linux noob like me won't get hit with a virus or spyware, or even a worm?
[01:27] <dylan_> im only running on linux as my name, not root
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> no, you won't
[01:27] <cafuego> dylan_: viruses, worms and trojans are not an issue, then.
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> just keep up to date with your security patches to be sure
[01:27] <dylan_> is the same true for a Mac?  im almost done funding for a new one
[01:27] <ubuntu> Newbie question:  I'm running the Live CD, but if I do a full install, can I use my existing Linux partitions?
[01:27] <Velcan> can anyone tell me how to enable ssl for mail-notification? it doesnt say in the man ...
[01:27] <Ziggity> hi. what options are available for c/c++ development on Ubuntu - looking for stuff with RAD tools for a beginer,,--
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> dylan_ : if you want to live on the edge browse as root.. dont tho.
[01:28] <Kyral> RAD?
[01:28] <dylan_> gcc
[01:28] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: there's gcc and vim
[01:28] <cafuego> dylan_: Essentially the same is true for Macs yes. Although they _are_ vulnerable to MS Office Macro viruses
[01:28] <Kyral> Ziggity, Anjuta
[01:28] <dylan_> thanks guysx
[01:28] <Ziggity> tigliona1bit,  : does this have a GUI designer
[01:28] <cafuego> (if you run msoffice on them, anyway)
[01:28] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  one, the livecd soedn't install, you'll need an install cd for that.  two, if you select an "expert" install, you can partition any way you like
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: perhaps, but you don't need much more than a text editor and a compiler to program C
[01:29] <struggler> any gotchas when installing debian libc6 on hoary?
[01:29] <ubuntu> I have the install CD
[01:29] <Ziggity> Kyral,  I have heard of Anjuta, but cannot find how to use version 2 . I tried version 1.5 but it failed to 'make ' the project from the wizard
[01:29] <eyequeue> ubuntu:  at the prompt, type expert and press enter
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: you don't need to do that
[01:29] <alxwind>  2lsuactiafner apt-get install kernel-headers doesn't work
[01:29] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: it lets you partition your own way anyway
[01:30] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: I don't recommend him doing an expert install.  He might mess up sudo
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes
[01:30] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner it says thatit has no installation candidate
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : thats why i said something like that
[01:30] <Ziggity> tigliona1bit,  : I'm not that good yet.. and a little lazy :-) I've done some stuff in VB + c# on MS and was wondering if there are similar tools
[01:30] <mbirkis> is there any program i can install to check if a remote webpage is up or not, perhaps with statistics?
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : linux-kernel-headers
[01:30] <tigliona1bit> eyequeue: what?  The default allows you to do all partitioning tasks, including resizing of other partitions
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse, ... s/,/?/ rather
[01:30] <eyequeue> tigliona1bit:  the default allows partioning and reuse*?* i've never touched it, too little control for my tastes
[01:30] <Will_> mbirkis: wget --spider ?
[01:30] <rainingzigzags> anyone know where i can download addons for gdesklets?
[01:31] <Will_> rainingzigzags: google gdesklets.
[01:31] <dylan_> will Wine run the Sims?
[01:31] <rainingzigzags> i tryed that
[01:31] <mbirkis> Will_: what will that do?
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : use your browser, or ping hostname, or nmap -sS -P0 -p 80
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner now it says it's already installed
[01:31] <rainingzigzags> came up empty handed
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> but dont nmap a host unless you have permission
[01:31] <Will_> mbirkis: Spider the page. do a 'man wget' then read through
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner but where are it's files?
[01:31] <Will_> You could script it easily
[01:31] <alxwind> 2lsuactiafner in what directory?
[01:32] <struggler> does anyone know of any problems using a debian libc6 on hoary?
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : then it is already installed.. /usr/src/linux i believe, i make my own kernels so i wont know
[01:32] <Ziggity> rainingzigzags, :  http://ubuntuguide.org/#gdesklets
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> but inside /usr/src/ somewhere..
[01:32] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: can i use nmap for a week without hogging bandwith or resources?
[01:32] <eyequeue> alxwind:  dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less
[01:32] <alxwind> wow, thanks a lot
[01:33] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down
[01:33] <alxwind> /usr/include/linux
[01:33] <rainingzigzags> ty ziggity
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : what do you want to do really? nmap would only tell you if port 80 is up, ping would tell if you if the host is up, but using a browser is better
[01:33] <Ziggity> rainingzigzags,   : u welcome
[01:33] <karljp> anyone know how to get a screencap of the whole screen?
[01:33] <karljp> alt-printscreen gives me the window,
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> like refresh a stupid image all the time and if it doesnt load you know the site is offline, but there should be better admin tools
[01:33] <Ziggity> is it possible to run Ubuntu (Hoary) as a webserver?
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : really?
[01:34] <karljp> but pressing alt also cancles the right click menu I'm trying to capture in a screenshot
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> alxwind : that doesnt make sense.
[01:34] <ksmurf> Zig yes
[01:34] <Will_> wget!
[01:34] <alxwind> well it says so
[01:34] <eyequeue> karljp:  system > takescreenshot seems approrpriate
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> wget rocks
[01:34] <alxwind> after running command dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers | less
[01:34] <truz24> How do i install ubuntu on a board that has a raid controller?
[01:34] <Ziggity> ksmurf,  : thanx
[01:34] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[01:34] <mbirkis> Will_: can i get the spider to run every hour with output to a text file?
[01:34] <truz24> Do i need the drivers from the manufacture.
[01:34] <karljp> eyequeue, not really, pressing on the system menu makes the right click menu in my app go away as well.
[01:35] <alxwind> it showed me very long list of files at that directory
[01:35] <eyequeue> alxwind:  q to quit less, if that;s the question
[01:35] <karljp> like on windows, just plain printscreen
[01:35] <Will_> mbirkis: cron job, and wget --spider >> filename
[01:35] <karljp> pressing the alt in ubuntu kills my context menu
[01:35] <Hikaru79> A friend of mine just updated his firefox install from the backports repo, and now Firefox won't start. Anyone else had this issue? (We can't ask on the forums either, because ... they're down =/)
[01:35] <eyequeue> karljp:  "like on windows" doesn't mean anything to me
[01:35] <mbirkis> Will_: hmm... cron job... how do i set that up? sorry for my newbieness
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : or write a script that loops and put the line sleep 60m ; in it
[01:35] <karljp> eyequeue, just like alt-prrintsrcreen on hoary, only with also one on just printscreen by itself that does the whole screen
[01:35] <HaroldJohnson> Anyone here using a Mac?
[01:35] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: either will work for me... except i don't know how to set it up
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> cd /etc/cron.hourly/
[01:36] <karljp> and there for wouldn't require me to press any buttons or any keys that make the context menu Im trying to include in a screenshot go away
[01:36] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: In a way, yes.
[01:36] <tigliona1bit> karljp: you should be able to press print screen.  There is a gui with more options for taking screenshots included in the gimp
[01:36] <Hikaru79> Anyone? Please?
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> cron is not too nice imho for doing things like wgetting
[01:36] <karljp> pressing printscreen byitself isn't doing anything unfortunately.
[01:36] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, In a way?  How so?
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mbirkis : give me a sec than i paste you something
[01:36] <Ziggity> are there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??
[01:36] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: I got shells open on my wife's Macs ;-)
[01:36] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Ah, I see.
[01:36] <mbirkis> lsuactiafner: why isn't cron god for wgetting?
[01:37] <tigliona1bit> karljp: what you want to do is use the Gimp's screenshot thing, and tell it to set a delay for the screenshot so you can make that context menu pop up
[01:37] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Any experience using wireless on that Mac/
[01:37] <Razor-X> mmmm. manga is nice....
[01:37] <Will_> mbirkis: I'm googling for a guide, but my http is screwed here. Google for "cron howto", /etc/crontab  is also a good palce to start
[01:37] <karljp> hmm, printscreen works if my context menu isn't showing, but not when the menu is
[01:37] <karljp> tigliona1bit, thanks, I'll give gimp a go,
[01:37] <karljp> a timer delay should do the trick
[01:37] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Not under Linux; Airport Express is not supported (at all).
[01:37] <Razor-X> nalioth: have you had any success with wget'ing the wiki?
[01:37] <cmatheson> lsuactiafner: why wouldn't cron be good for running wget?
[01:37] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Oh yes, I think I've heard that.
[01:38] <tigliona1bit> karljp: alternatively, if you're fast, you could press print-screen and then make the context menu pop up before it takes the screenshot =P
[01:38] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Allow me to pick your brain: Do you know of any wireless cards that work on Ubuntu PPC?
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> cmatheson : it creates logs if things go wrong that can fill the h/d
[01:38] <wdsl> where can i get my kernel sources?
[01:38] <tigliona1bit> wdsl: apt?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> HaroldJohnson: cisco
[01:38] <cmatheson> lsuactiafner: just rotate the logs out hourly
[01:38] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: What sort of mac? A powerbook?
[01:39] <zukalk> hey i was testing my apache2 server with php4, and whenever i try to open a .php page, the browser (both firefox and opera) open a download dialog box thingie
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Yes, a PowerBook G3.
[01:39] <Razor-X> nalioth_wrkn: I think I figured it out ;)
[01:39] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards all work fine.
[01:39] <karljp> tigliona1bit, I'm probably not that fast :)
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> well then you tell him how to setup log rotation.
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, For certain?    Looks like the qt context menus aren't displaying in a way that gimp likes
[01:39] <wdsl> jup thx i get the answer on kubuntuchannel
[01:39] <wdsl> thx
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you in the U.S.?
[01:39] <cmatheson> alxwind: just ask (read the /topic)
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> but doing automated mass leeching should be controlled in the foreground on a terminal (tho that IS more hassle)
[01:39] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, You mean madwifi, right?
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: My orinoco pcmcia cards work fine in my G3 Wallstreet.
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Nope
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Do they sell Orinoco at CompUSA?
[01:40] <benjaminwr> zukalk you have to register the php module in the apache configuration
[01:40] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel
[01:40] <comar> someone has installed mol recently ?
[01:40] <karljp> hah, got it.  a full screenshot works, but just tha twindow doesn't
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Someone else mentioned success with those cards.
[01:40] <zukalk> benjaminwr, oh, right
[01:40] <alxwind> i thought it's usr/include/linux
[01:40] <alxwind> but was wrong
[01:40] <alxwind> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544
[01:40] <CookieNinja> afaik madwifi isn't 100% oss
[01:40] <Velcan> Anyone here familiar with mail-notification?
[01:40] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Not anymore I don't think; they're getting pretty old; they're 802.11b cards _only_
[01:40] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, I looked for Orinoco at Fry's Electronics here in the U.S. but they didn't have any.
[01:41] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Can you buy online or off ebay?
[01:41] <zukalk> benjaminwr, and how do i do that
[01:41] <zukalk> ?
[01:41] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Well, I don't want to buy online, as I may have to return them.  I've purchased two cards already and neither of them work with Ubuntu.
[01:41] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Or... is there a wireless user group nearby?
[01:42] <Ziggity> are there any Flash ( like flash mx ) tools ( open source ) for linux??
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: If it's a proper orinoco and not broken, it will work. 100% guaranteed.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Don't know...is there a website that brings that up.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, But only for 802.11b?
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Yep.
[01:42] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you using linux-wlan-ng/
[01:42] <blmartin771> just wondering what makes ubuntu better than debian?
[01:42] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: No, just the in-kernel orinoco driver.
[01:43] <alxwind> hello?
[01:43] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: There are even MacOS 8.5+ for these things 9they're essentially identicla to actual airport cards)
[01:43] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Try linux-wlan-ng.   The cardware can't do it.
[01:43] <cafuego> s/cardware/hardware/
[01:43] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Or it may be wlan-linux-ng, I forget.
[01:43] <lsuactiafner> gnight.
[01:44] <blmartin771> but essentually they are the same
[01:44] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Perhaps there are new cards?
[01:44] <Ziggity> Any Java development tools recomended for Ubunut?
[01:44] <cafuego> Besides, linux-wlan-bg doesn't work (at all) with my cards.
[01:44] <zukalk> benjaminwr, how do i register the php module?
[01:44] <bimberi> blmartin771: the fixed release cycle is one difference that some may feel is better
[01:44] <tigliona1bit> Ziggity: need more than javac?
[01:44] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: prism54 ones perhaps, yes.
[01:44] <HaroldJohnson> HrdwrBoB, Cisco, huh?
[01:44] <CookieNinja> regulare release cycle is one thing better than debian, blmartin771, lol. that and the emphasis on being friendly & easy to use. tho in many ways ubuntu is debian.
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Which brands are prism54/
[01:45] <Will_> Ziggity: jikes is pretty interesting. So damned fast, and the error outputs are _good_
[01:45] <Ziggity> tiglionabbit, : yes pref. an IDE
[01:45] <Will_> Not that I ever code errors!
[01:45] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: www.prism54.org
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> Ziggity: I dunno, I've heard good things about Eclipse
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Thank you.
[01:45] <uman> you know what the problem with apt-get is?
[01:45] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Note that cards which use 3rd party drivers, MAY not work on PPC.
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> i would rather use the java made by sun
[01:45] <uman> one can't use 2 instances of it at once
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> uman: that there is no problem?
[01:45] <Ziggity> tiglionabbit, :  I heard there are 'issues' with running Eclipse on Ubuntu
[01:45] <tiglionabbit> uman: how is that a problem?
[01:45] <lsuactiafner> j2sdk ect
[01:45] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?
[01:45] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Okay.
[01:45] <mbirkis> Will_: i got the cron working... but the wget --spider >> filename won't work
[01:45] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i haven't had any "issues"
[01:45] <b0urn3> i just installed ubuntu and was doing apt-get update and got some md5 mismatch errors....is this a problem...if so how do i fix?
[01:45] <uman> tiglionabbit: what if I wanct to install two apps at once?
[01:45] <benjaminwr> zukalk, you have to edit the httpd.conf file locater in usr/local/apache/conf
[01:46] <cmatheson> !md5sum
[01:46] <ubotu> cmatheson: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:46] <CookieNinja> alxwind, have u got the source headers installed ?
[01:46] <cmatheson> !md5sums
[01:46] <ubotu> No idea, cmatheson
[01:46] <tiglionabbit> uman: then say apt-get install thing1 thing2
[01:46] <cafuego> !listkeys md5
[01:46] <Ziggity> Will_, : is jikes an IDE
[01:46] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'md5' by key returned no results.
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit: shit
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit: didn't know about that
[01:46] <uman> tiglionabbit++
[01:46] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : did you install from apt-get?
[01:46] <kbrooks> heh
[01:46] <cmatheson> b0urn3: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and remove everything that says 'us'
[01:46] <blmartin771> so why would you want to use debian if ubuntu is easier, and has quicker fixes?
[01:46] <cmatheson> Ziggity: no
[01:46] <benjaminwr> and add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php
[01:46] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, So do you prefer OS X?
[01:46] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : and what version
[01:46] <benjaminwr> zukalk ,and add or uncomment the AddType application/x-httpd-php -php
[01:46] <Will_> Ziggity: No. A complier
[01:46] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i don't know... it's not on this box, i got it about a month ago
[01:46] <alxwind> after running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version
[01:46] <benjaminwr> sorry
[01:47] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Linux runs faster on all macs we have here
[01:47] <b0urn3> cmatheson:  i'll try...brb
[01:47] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: OSX is sexier though :-)
[01:47] <Ziggity> Will_, thx
[01:47] <alxwind> so, i guess i have them installed
[01:47] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Yes, quite sexy.  Are you running Debian/
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> wow i thought i would never do that
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> i locked up linux
[01:47] <Ziggity> cmatheson, : did u download or off a CD
[01:47] <benjaminwr> zukalk ,AddType application/x-httpd-php .php        (dot instead of - on .php)
[01:47] <cafuego> blmartin771: Can;'t speak for others, but Ubuntu is far too new to risk my servers on.
[01:47] <rainingzigzags> lol
[01:47] <alxwind> but can't find out what is it's directory
[01:47] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i downloaded it off of suns website
[01:47] <cmatheson> Ziggity: it was bundled w/ the jdk
[01:47] <zukalk> benjaminwr, you mean /etc/apache2. oh, i remember doing this for winblows a long time ago
[01:48] <alxwind> 2CookieNinja after running a command sudo apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it said that i already have a ewest version but can't find out what is it's directory
[01:48] <b0urn3> cmatheson:  so i need to delete the first two entries for the ubuntu universe?
[01:48] <zukalk> benjaminwr, thanks ;)
[01:48] <tiglionabbit> !usrepos
[01:48] <ubotu> well, usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:48] <cmatheson> b0urn3: no no, don't delete, just remove the 'us.' part of the line
[01:48] <b0urn3> thx
[01:48] <cmatheson> b0urn3: so that it just says 'archive.ubuntu.com' instead of 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[01:48] <Will_> mbirkis: Not sure, and I've gotta run for now. Getting late and I need to sort some things
[01:48] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Are you in Mexico?
[01:49] <Will_> It should be able to be piped into a file
[01:49] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: The Mac Mini runs Ubuntu Hoary, as does the iMac. The wallstreet has been lent to a friend and runs Mac OS 9.2. The G3 server runs Debian sarge, the iBook runs Tiger. The 8600s runs Sarge, the 7200s and Quaras run OS 8.1, the classics, LC and SE30's run various old MacOSes. The 170 runs 7.0.2 I think. The newton runs NewtOS 1.
[01:49] <Ziggity> cmatheson, : you can do c/c++ and c# as well in there? (  so i've heard - with the plug ins )
[01:49] <mbirkis> can someone help me pipe a wget output into a text file?
[01:49] <benjaminwr> zukalk, do a locate httpd.conf
[01:50] <benjaminwr> after updating the slocate database
[01:50] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i think so... i actually just use vim for my c/c++, but afaik you can do pretty much anything w/ it
[01:50] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Why not run the new Xandros Newton distro on Newton?
[01:50] <CookieNinja> cafuego, afaik they are in /usr/src/linux-headers-<kernel-version>
[01:50] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Coz it's an original newton. (Revision 1)
[01:50] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, LOL, I'm just kidding about that Xandros distro, by the way.  :)
[01:50] <lcharly_TheOne> I have a laptop compaq presario V2000 with amd Turion 64 mobile technology i need use the amd64 ubuntu instalation CD???
[01:51] <cafuego> lcharly_TheOne: The 32bit one should work fine, if you're worried. If you want to use flash/java, go wih 32bit (i386)
[01:51] <gyaresu> lcharly_TheOne, not uness you want too.
[01:52] <HaroldJohnson> So I guess I'll have to find a good Cisco card in order to access an 802.11g network on my Wallstreet?
[01:52] <gyaresu> lcharly_TheOne, cafuego and the w32codecs are only for 32 bit processor as well.
[01:52] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, That was for you...
[01:52] <tiglionabbit> yup, hence the 32 part
[01:52] <cafuego> gyaresu: They nevertheless install and work OK on AMD64.
[01:52] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : I'm struggling with c/c++ do you know where I can get a  free complete tutrial / online course ..
[01:52] <lcharly_TheOne> so ican install the ubunti i386 cd in mi laptop and i don't gonna have problems?
[01:52] <ablyss> i love gnome's font dialogue.. makes real easy to preview your fonts before change them
[01:52] <gyaresu> cafuego, they do?
[01:52] <cafuego> lcharly_TheOne: Yesp
[01:52] <cafuego> gyaresu: Yep
[01:53] <ablyss> should I reboot after updating my kernel image?
[01:53] <cmatheson> Ziggity: hmm, i'm afraid i don't know... i just bought a book (c++ primer plus was excellent).  i think google would be your friend though
[01:53] <CookieNinja> mbirkis, which output ? the files u are retrieving or the information that wget is outputting about it's retrieval attempts to the shell ?
[01:53] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Prolly check the kernel source, find the cisco driver in net/wireless/ and see which cards are explicitly supported; then get one of those.
[01:53] <gyaresu> ablyss, check the boot order in /boot/grub/menu.lst (remember to count from 0 for the order of bootable kernels)
[01:53] <ablyss> i assume no
[01:53] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : do  you use it professionally .. can you suggest other tools I might find helpful?
[01:53] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Good tip; I thank you!  That's /net/wireless?
[01:54] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: linux-2.6.x/net/wireless/
[01:54] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, try C++ in action, from relisoft.com
[01:54] <cafuego> in /usr/src
[01:54] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Thanks
[01:54] <ablyss> gyaresu: sorry what does that have to do with my question?
[01:54] <cmatheson> Ziggity: i don't know by what you mean "professionally"... i use it at work, but i'm a linux admin so that's not my primary responsibility (and i don't use it much), so vim/g++ are more than enough for me
[01:54] <gyaresu> ablyss, you just install a new kernel, yes?
[01:54] <ablyss> no
[01:54] <ablyss> updated a kernel image from the synaptic update
[01:55] <Ziggity> FlannelKing,  : whats that
[01:55] <cmatheson> Ziggity: emacs is excellent too, if you're looking for more of an IDE, Kdevelop is supposed to be amazing, and then there is also gnome's anjuta (although it never rates as well as the kde stufF)
[01:55] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, its a book, online
[01:55] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Is the kernel located in /boot usually?
[01:55] <Ziggity> cmatheson,  : thx.
[01:55] <cmatheson> FlannelKing: that's pretty rad, i've never heard of that one.  how is it?
[01:55] <Ziggity> FlannelKing,  : thx
[01:55] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: yes, but you want the source, not the binary.
[01:55] <gyaresu> ablyss, that sounds like a new kernel to me. no?
[01:56] <CookieNinja> mbirkis,  the output wget sends to the shell u get to a file in your home dir by typing wget <options and url you're retrieving here> > ~/output.txt
[01:56] <LasseL> Ziggity, I heard that eclipse is a good C++ ide too, with the right plugin
[01:56] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Where is the source typically located?
[01:56] <gyaresu> ablyss, kernel-image-2.6.10 or somesuch, yes?
[01:56] <ablyss> gyaresu: is it? i dont know.... i dont normally do these things
[01:56] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: in /usr/src, after you install it (you can just get a tarball from kernel.org and extract it, too)
[01:56] <Ziggity> I've tried the Anjuta that 's found in synaptic but after going through the project wizard it failed to make
[01:56] <benkong2> hey folks how long should it take this command to run? " egrep '(reject|warning|error|fatal|panic):' >> testpostfix.check"
[01:56] <ablyss> gyaresu: yes that looks right
[01:57] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Already did (a few days ago, when installing madwifi).  Just wasn't sure if that was what I was looking for...
[01:57] <gyaresu> ablyss, then try rebooting and you can always hit ESC while grub is loading to choose a different kernel.
[01:57] <FlannelKing> cmatheson, its good, starts out nice, explains everything well, and then goes into design, its a nice short book that covers a lot, I suggest it even if you already know C++, covers a lot of good design/bad design type things as well
[01:57] <ablyss> gyaresu: great man thanks
[01:57] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : your' the 2nd person to suggest it - I might get it down. any one know if I can get Eclipse via apt-get?
[01:57] <gyaresu> ablyss, if it's the basic 2.6.10 then you should be alright.
[01:57] <ablyss> awesome
[01:57] <cmatheson> FlannelKing: cool, thanks
[01:57] <CookieNinja> mbirkis, to output all the stuff you're actually retrieving to a file u use the wget option --output-document=~/stuff-retrieved.txt
[01:58] <crimsun> Ziggity: not for Hoary
[01:58] <ablyss> oh that means I should reboot
[01:58] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, you cannot, at least not with ubuntu repos (Im sure someone has packaged it though)
[01:58] <LasseL> Ziggity, eclipse is not on apt-get. But it is download and unzip, run.
[01:58] <ablyss> wish me luck
[01:58] <crimsun> Ziggity: for Breezy, hopefully :)
[01:58] <gyaresu> ablyss, if it hangs at boot or the desktop doesn't load then try a different kernel or just go into 'recovery mode'
[01:58] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Hmmm..there's no wireless directory there.
[01:58] <rainingzigzags> is there a synaptic repository to download and setup seti@home>?
[01:58] <jp> how can I burn an iso with k3b?
[01:58] <LasseL> Ziggity, get sun2jsdk1.5 first, the go to eclipse.org
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> sun-j2sdk1.5
[01:59] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: drivers/net/wireless
[01:59] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, ah
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[01:59] <ubotu> I guess sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[01:59] <jp> how can I burn an iso with k3b?
[01:59] <tiglionabbit> you can get it from hoary extras
[01:59] <FlannelKing> Ziggity, Eclipse is a java app, so you dont need to compile/etc, just download and run
[01:59] <cmatheson> jp: it's a menu option... not sure where, but it's three
[01:59] <^thehatsrule^> jp: burn image
[01:59] <^thehatsrule^> under tools
[01:59] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: no you have to get it from the project
[01:59] <XRayNuke> Actually, you do need to compile Eclipse, because it's not pure Java.
[02:00] <XRayNuke> It uses the SWT graphics toolkit.
[02:00] <jp> ^thehatsrule^ thanks!
[02:00] <jp> :D
[02:00] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i get nothing in the output file when doing that :(
[02:00] <holycow> i wish someone would write an eclipse plugin for tcl
[02:00] <Ziggity> LasseL,   : how do I get the sunJ2sdk1.5
[02:00] <LasseL> XRayNuke, wrong
[02:00] <rainingzigzags> frank_dot, is it hard to setup.. i am a noob to linux
[02:00] <^thehatsrule^> jp: np lol
[02:00] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, Odd, airport.c is listed there.
[02:00] <cmatheson> holycow: haha, it's been a long time since i've heard someone still rockin' the tcl
[02:00] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: Yes. airport == orinoco 802.11b
[02:00] <LasseL> Ziggity, check ubuntu guide
[02:00] <CookieNinja> what's the full line you're typing, mbirkis ?
[02:00] <cafuego> HaroldJohnson: That does _not_ do airport express
[02:01] <cmatheson> !ubuntuguide
[02:01] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 3 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[02:01] <holycow> cmatheson, openacs framework uses it, and its quite effedtive
[02:01] <HaroldJohnson> cafuego, So that one is supported for 802.11b though?  (Not that I'm going to use it).
[02:01] <XRayNuke> LasseL: it definitely uses SWT. You might be able to install that from a package, but Eclipse is not pure Java.
[02:01] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: there should instructions where you get it but it's pretty much download and run
[02:01] <asdx> I can't boot ubuntu...
[02:01] <asdx> I don't have a kernel... I compiled mine
[02:01] <asdx> Because I had to patch
[02:01] <rainingzigzags> its a .sh file.... how do u use them?
[02:01] <sybe> Hello.
[02:01] <cmatheson> holycow: i don't know what that is, but i remember 10 yrs ago when i started looking into linux i thought tcl/tk was the hottest thing ever (of course back then kde/gnome were still pretty lame...)
[02:01] <bimberi> LasseL: You can get sun-j2sdk1.5 by enabling the backports repositories
[02:01] <bimberi> !backports
[02:01] <ubotu> backports is, like, at http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:01] <LasseL> XRayNuke, wrong as in you dont have to compile it to run it
[02:02] <Frank_dot> rainingzigzags: run   sh boinc_filename.sh  in a consol
[02:02] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: wget --spider webaddress > output.txt
[02:02] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i get the output.txt file but it is empty
[02:02] <holycow> cmatheson, :) if one could could use wx with tcl i would still say it would rock :)
[02:03] <cmatheson> hehe
[02:03] <drew> hey, does anyone know how to configure keyboard shortcuts to use the windows key like it uses control, alt, etc?
[02:03] <Ziggity> I've got Eclipse on one of those free Magazine CD's will that work ??
[02:04] <CookieNinja> what information are you looking to have in the output file mbirkis ?
[02:04] <LasseL> Ziggity, http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/
[02:04] <CookieNinja> would the switch --output-file=logfile  provide the info you need mbirkis ? instead of trying to redirect it to a file
[02:04] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: just info that the website was found... i am planning on doing a cron job checking that a friends webpage is online with wget --spider, and outputting it to a file
[02:05] <cmatheson> drew: i've never done it, but i believe xmodmap would be the tool for that
[02:05] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thx
[02:05] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: --output-file=logfile what file will that be?
[02:05] <drew> cmatheson, xmodmap is an application I could find using synaptic?
[02:06] <tiglionabbit> drew: you should already have it
[02:06] <CookieNinja> whatever filename you want in whatever location u choose, mbirkis
[02:06] <cmatheson> drew: you probably already have it.. it's just part of X windows
[02:06] <drew> cmatheson, then how do I open or configure it?
[02:06] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: thnx... i will try it :)
[02:06] <alxwind> can't install vmware, it asks me for directory with C header files that match my kernel, i thought it's usr/include/linux but was wrong (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/544), can anyone help me to find out what is the directory?
[02:06] <CookieNinja> make it ~/log.txt to have a file called log,txt in the home dir, mbirkis
[02:06] <cmatheson> drew: haha, i've never done it... i believe the best way to find out would be man xmodmap
[02:06] <CookieNinja> all my ideas are coming from typing man wget and reading, btw, mbirkis ;)
[02:07] <Frank_dot> alxwind: did you install them with synaptic?
[02:07] <drew> is anyone here experienced with xmodmap that could help me?
[02:08] <LasseL> drew, did you try the Keyboard Shortcuts menu in gnome first?
[02:08] <tiglionabbit> drew: I've used it
[02:08] <CookieNinja> alxwind, did you look in /usr/src for then ?
[02:08] <alxwind> i don't know what ecactly to search in synaptic
[02:08] <mbirkis> CookieNinja: i read the man... but it is not easy for us "new" guys... :) but it didn't exactly do what i wanted... it overwrites the file everytime... so i can't see if the server is up or down :(
[02:08] <drew> LasseL,  yes, but it wouldn't let me use windows key as a modifier
[02:08] <Frank_dot> alxwind: search linux-headers
[02:08] <drew> tiglionabbit, could you help me set it up to recognize winkey as a modifier?
[02:08] <LasseL> drew, oh, but it will.   The plugin update does not seem to be working right and the english forums are down?  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[02:11] <CookieNinja> anyways, i'm off to bed cos it's 1am, and i'm up @ 8am
[02:11] <aru> is there a Ubuntu hardware database?
[02:11] <LasseL> drew, I just mapped about every item in the shortcuts menu to win-<somekey> and it just works really really well :)
[02:11] <sybe> I have a little problem with my monitor. I cant choose my resolution but why?
[02:12] <drew> LasseL, yes it certainly does. But I don't see a setting to make a shortcut to "always on top".  Am I just missing it?
[02:12] <LasseL> dunno
[02:12] <Frank_dot> alxwind: did you install in synaptic?   If you never changed your kernel, you're using the 386 one
[02:12] <gyaresu> sybe, you will need to know the hsync and vsync parametres
[02:13] <Razor-X> !resolution
[02:13] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:13] <ksmurf> Can anyone point me in the direction of a good how to for nessus install other than the starterguide?  The plugin update does not seem to be working right.  Anyone have any exper with the plug-in issue?
[02:13] <sybe> thanks
[02:14] <alxwind> i just installed x686 version it with synaptic but i have only unpacked tar.gz archives in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5 directory
[02:14] <alxwind> and vmware can't found needed information for installation
[02:14] <bimberi> aru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:14] <Frank_dot> alxwind: what tar.gz archive are you talking about?
[02:15] <zukalk> benjaminwr, it finally worked. had to stop /etc/init.d/apache2 manually before installing libapache2-mod-php4
[02:15] <alxwind> sorry ;( my bad didn't wait till the end of installation in synaptic
[02:15] <alxwind> thaks for your time
[02:16] <Frank_dot> np
[02:16] <gyaresu> Razor-X, where do i get a list of those keywords ! resolution ect...
[02:16] <Razor-X> gyaresu: there aren't
[02:16] <Razor-X> you have to know them through watching, or program the yourself
[02:16] <Razor-X> I have a few i've made for people
[02:16] <gyaresu> Razor-X, ahh.
[02:16] <gyaresu> right.
[02:16] <cafuego> daniels: What did you break now?
[02:17] <Razor-X> mmmm, wget is downloading a nice stack of manga
[02:17] <aru> thanks (delayed reaction)
[02:17] <jp> cafuego more respect for daniel
[02:18] <cafuego> jp: Feel free to ignore me as I do you.
[02:18] <bimberi> aru: (a delayed) yw :)
[02:19] <aru> :)
[02:19] <daniels> cafuego: i'm about to transition to xkeyboard-config for all the xkb stuff
[02:20] <daniels> which is going to hurt
[02:20] <cafuego> daniels: I'll be sure to not update for a while then :-)
[02:20] <Ziggity> LasseL,   :  I can't find howto  get the sunJ2sdk1.5
[02:21] <[koji] > Ziggity: search wiki for java
[02:21] <phzi> !java
[02:21] <ubotu> well, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:22] <LasseL> Ziggity, basically it is, add extra sources, apt-get update, apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[02:22] <decaf> someone should add java-package to bot
[02:24] <gverig> Why do I get X when I at runlevel 3? Isn't it supposed to be text only?
[02:25] <Aegir> sudo killall gdm
[02:25] <Aegir> :)
[02:25] <Aegir> I noticed that aswell
[02:25] <truz24> I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?
[02:25] <gverig> Aegir: Is that the only one that needs to be killed?
[02:25] <gverig> (font server, other crap...)
[02:25] <Aegir> Well, killing gdm usually cacks the X server for me
[02:25] <LasseL> Ziggity, here, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/545
[02:25] <Aegir> Which allows driver installation, etc..
[02:26] <Aegir> You could always do a sudo killall Xorg, or X or whatever it is.
[02:26] <Aegir> But killing gdm should suffice
[02:26] <mbirkis> so if i create a small file in /etc/cron.hourly/ it will execute it every hour... without me doing anything more?
[02:26] <gverig> Aegir: Thanks.
[02:26] <Aegir> No worries :)
[02:26] <Aegir> Happy to help
[02:26] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546
[02:26] <phzi> for me, when I CTRL-ALT-Backspace, GDM doesn't relaunch Xorg after the 2nd time
[02:26] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot please take a look
[02:26] <gverig> I will to stop it from starting
[02:26] <LasseL> The ubuntu installer should have a "Are you an RMS disciple" question, and if you answer no it should just do all the stuff at the ubuntuguide
[02:27] <alxwind> 2Frank_dot i'm really stuck with it
[02:27] <Aegir> phzi, xinit, startx and such should bring it back, but it will start a new session as that username.
[02:27] <phzi> ya, I know how to do it
[02:27] <phzi> just confused as to why gdm gives up
[02:27] <Aegir> Okay :)
[02:27] <Aegir> Yeah
[02:27] <phzi> only way to get gdm login again, is to sudo killall gdm
[02:27] <phzi> and then relaunch it
[02:28] <Aegir> Yeah, I have a bit of experiane with launching/killing X. I break Xorg often 8)
[02:28] <Aegir> *experiance
[02:28] <phzi> heh
[02:28] <daniels> cafuego: normal layouts should be fine
[02:28] <phzi> I did a lot over the last couples days
[02:28] <phzi> I had an ATI Radeon 9500 Pro
[02:28] <daniels> cafuego: it's just stuff like combining multiple strange layouts that will hurt
[02:28] <Ziggity> OH! I just a wnc- ??? something crash .. anyone know whats that?
[02:28] <Aegir> Usually with drivers, or meddling with composite goodness *g*
[02:28] <phzi> set up for dual header
[02:28] <phzi> and then I pulled it
[02:28] <Aegir> Heheh
[02:28] <phzi> and installed an NVidia card
[02:28] <Aegir> Dual head is brilliant
[02:29] <gverig> *reboot
[02:29] <phzi> took quite the effort to get it going under X without killing myself
[02:29] <phzi> ATI -> NV drivers
[02:29] <Will_> DIE X DIE
[02:29] <Aegir> Converting from an ATI to an NVidia card can be amusing under Linux
[02:29] <Will_> And onwards
[02:29] <Razor-X> wget needs to finish fast... :(
[02:29] <phzi> but I love my dual header
[02:29] <Aegir> Atleast it was for me...
[02:30] <phzi> ya, kept me busy for a day Aegir
[02:30] <Razor-X> w00t, finishd!
[02:30] <Razor-X> *finished
[02:30] <Di42lo> Hello
[02:30] <Di42lo> i have a problem booting my ubuntu
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> Di42lo: grub error 17?
[02:30] <Di42lo> no
[02:30] <tiglionabbit> aw, was worth a try
[02:30] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thx
[02:30] <Di42lo> he doesnt get into grub
[02:31] <LasseL> Ziggity, my /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:31] <Di42lo> the bios on the first option is the hard disk
[02:31] <Di42lo> and its a new computer
[02:31] <LasseL> <----------- zzz
[02:31] <Di42lo> any idea someone ?
[02:32] <phzi> Aegir: you have any experience with suround sound setups?
[02:32] <Ziggity> LasseL,  : thank you. Is it the same from the UbuntuGuide
[02:32] <Aegir> phzi, Nope
[02:32] <phzi> I've been trying to find someone to help me write a .asoundrc file
[02:32] <Aegir> Not having one and all ;)
[02:32] <alxwind> anybody plz help (take a look here -> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)
[02:32] <phzi> so the sound plays out hw0,0 hw0,1 hw0,2 hw0,3 at the same time
[02:32] <alxwind> i'm really stuck
[02:33] <phzi> alxwind: are you actually running 2.5.10-5?
[02:33] <phzi> and are you sure that the folder has stuff in it?
[02:33] <phzi> *2.6.10-5
[02:34] <alxwind> i don't exactly
[02:34] <alxwind> and i don't know how to find this out
[02:34] <tanki> what's breezy?
[02:34] <phzi> tanki: next version
[02:34] <Aegir> Eheheheh
[02:34] <phzi> alxwind: well, start with ls /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[02:34] <tanki> oh
[02:35] <tanki> cute name
[02:35] <phzi> and see if there are contents
[02:35] <Aegir> Fantasticly fun and unstable
[02:35] <Aegir> :)
[02:35] <phzi> Breezy Badger
[02:35] <mrpickles> can someone please tell me where the wiki is to get ubuntu to support mp3 codecs ?
[02:35] <Aegir> Hoary sounds so... Dirty to me >:D
[02:35] <phzi> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:35] <phzi> try that mrpickles
[02:35] <alxwind> eee, and then?
[02:36] <phzi> alxwind: are there any files in the linux-headers folder?
[02:36] <phzi> if not, you should probably apt-get them lol
[02:36] <Nameeater> I'm trying to "root@subspace:/ # find -name bittornado" but it lists a couple of finds then spits out  find: ./proc/7999/task: No such file or directory  and dies, any clues?
[02:36] <aru> I thought we werent supposed to suggest the guide
[02:36] <concept10> !tell mrpickes about restrictedformats
[02:36] <Nameeater> !MultiMedia
[02:36] <barkley> so what's the proper way to hide gcj's java so i can use sun's?
[02:36] <ubotu> hmm... multimedia is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[02:36] <barkley> !java
[02:36] <ubotu> I guess java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[02:37] <tanki> I'm here because this is the first time I've heard of ubuntu - i read a review of it in linux journal magazine and it looks cool
[02:37] <tanki> I like the idea of the version being the mouth.year
[02:37] <tanki> s/mouth/month
[02:37] <phzi> alxwind: you still here?
[02:38] <tanki> is there a version 7.05?
[02:38] <[koji] > barkley: is sun java is installed you should be able to use it right away
[02:38] <phzi> tanki: it's y.mm
[02:38] <phzi> isn't it?
[02:38] <aru> I should hope so
[02:38] <tanki> phzi, not according to the article iirc
[02:38] <phzi> good
[02:38] <phzi> it must be
[02:38] <barkley> [koji] , open office installs gcj's java in /usr/bin
[02:38] <tanki> nope
[02:38] <phzi> otherwise version numbers would be totally screwed up
[02:39] <[koji] > yeah but the binary is gcj right?
[02:39] <phzi> ofcourse it is, the prior version was 4.10
[02:39] <rainingzigzags> if someone here runs boinc plz pm me i need help with it
[02:39] <[koji] > you can type java -version on the cmd line
[02:39] <tiglionabbit> Is there any support for writing to ext3 from windows?  All I see is ext2
[02:39] <barkley> [koji] , let me check if its a symbolic link.  but when i type 'java' i get the gcj version
[02:40] <tanki> the last version was 5.04 in the article
[02:40] <mastergoon> hi, how can i change the key bindings for metacity so the alt key doesnt move windows?
[02:40] <tanki> ubuntu names it's versions by month.year
[02:40] <rainingzigzags> is there a reason why boinc comes up with connection failed
[02:41] <barkley> [koji] , ahh. looks like i have to do that /etc/alternatives business
[02:41] <tanki> maybe if you're european you reverse them for some reason but europeans always do weird things so i wouldn't be suprised
[02:41] <mastergoon> gnome-window-properties says "Window manager '<unknown>' has not registered a configuration tool"
[02:41] <phzi> tanki: current version is 5.04
[02:41] <phzi> because it came out his year
[02:42] <tanki> did it come out in april?
[02:42] <seth_k> yep
[02:42] <phzi> yes
[02:42] <phzi> it did
[02:42] <phzi>  Ubuntu 5.04 Released!  2005-04-08
[02:42] <h3r3sY> ubuntu !
[02:42] <tanki> ok i'm wrong, the issue is in my bathroom right now and i dont want to get up so i'll just conceed defeat
[02:42] <truz24> I've got an asus P5LD2 board, and during the ubuntu install it fails to load the cdrom drivers, when i installed XP i had to load the raid drivers before I could continue... How do i do this in ubuntu?
[02:42] <phzi> lol
[02:42] <tanki> anyway it's still a good version scheme
[02:42] <phzi> truz24: do you have SATA?
[02:43] <truz24> yeah, but the cdrom is ide
[02:43] <phzi> disable sata before booting into the install
[02:43] <phzi> installer does not work if SATA is enabled
[02:43] <truz24> but the harddrive is sata
[02:43] <phzi> it's a known bug
[02:43] <phzi> hm, well then I dunno
[02:43] <mrpickles> somebody please help me =( IM getting a weird messge when trying to do apt-get and i can't figure out how to fix it. apt-get install w32codecs
[02:43] <mrpickles> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:43] <mrpickles> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:43] <[koji] > !restricted
[02:43] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:43] <phzi> that's all I know about it
[02:43] <Nameeater> mrpickles: do you have synaptic open?
[02:43] <truz24> thats not right because I installed ubuntu on another board with sata drives
[02:43] <bimberi> mrpickles: close down synaptic and try again
[02:43] <phzi> mrpickles: is synaptic open?
[02:43] <benjaminwr> mrpickles close synaptic
[02:43] <mrpickles> hold on
[02:44] <phzi> lol
[02:44] <bimberi> lol
[02:44] <phzi> truz24: I had to on my board
[02:44] <truz24> What error were u getting?
[02:44] <phzi> and I read a bug report about it
[02:44] <phzi> no driver available
[02:44] <mrpickles> alright its closed
[02:44] <phzi> or something along those lines
[02:44] <mrpickles> let me try again
[02:44] <truz24> for your cdrom?
[02:44] <phzi> ya
[02:44] <truz24> and it was an ide cdrom?
[02:44] <phzi> yup
[02:44] <tanki> you know why i like linux so much, when you buy a new pet, all you have to do for ideas to name is look up the names of the beta versions of distros
[02:45] <ColonelKernel> lol
[02:45] <tanki> breezy would rock for a cat
[02:45] <phzi> lol
[02:45] <b0urn3> is it a problem if some of the packages are held back when i try to do apt-upgrade?
[02:45] <ColonelKernel> rawhide for a dog
[02:45] <mrpickles> Now, I know the next thing I need to do is I need to update some sort of list or something that has to do with apt-get.  Because i don't think apt-getting w32codecs works right away.  can someone please tell me about that ?
[02:45] <daniels> tanki: what, because it always lands on its feet?
[02:45] <benjaminwr> mrpickles close synaptic
[02:45] <benjaminwr> sorry
[02:45] <mrpickles> it is closed >.>
[02:45] <benjaminwr> mrpickles apt-get update
[02:45] <tanki> exactly
[02:45] <mrpickles> done
[02:46] <mrpickles> benjaminwr, now what ?
[02:46] <tanki> but i'm not planning on throwing the cat out the window
[02:46] <benjaminwr> mrpickles you ahve to add repositories
[02:46] <tanki> i might throw my computer but not a cat
[02:46] <mrpickles> benjaminwr, yes I have done this ebfore on my previous install.  I just don't remember how.
[02:46] <aserpe> where do I find a gui listing of the services (sshd, httpd, etc) that are running?
[02:46] <tiglionabbit> does anyone know much about writing to ext3 from windows?
[02:46] <benjaminwr> edit /ect/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <benjaminwr> you have some already there
[02:47] <benjaminwr> you just have to uncomment them
[02:47] <artist303> hi all
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> !sources
[02:47] <ubotu> hmm... sources is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideAddingRepositories
[02:47] <b0urn3> why won't firefox upgrade?  and how can i fix it?
[02:47] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[02:47] <ubotu> from memory, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.   It starts in 640x480 and when I restart it with ctrl+alt+backspace, it comes up in 1024x768, the desired resolution
[02:50] <artist303> I replaced..
[02:50] <artist303> my...
[02:50] <mrpickles> tiglionabbit, HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH >.^
[02:50] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  thanks...that seems to be working...  for future reference when should i do dist-upgrade instead of upgrade?
[02:51] <[koji] > !codecs
[02:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:51] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: dist-upgrade allows it to upgrade when dependencies have changed.  upgrade only allows it to upgrade individual packages, without installing new dependencies
[02:51] <aru> I swear the green light on that damn netgear ga511 lit up the other day in my laptop, but I must have been drunk
[02:51] <krash3x> does anyone know how to make 3d desktop work?
[02:52] <tanki> haha aru
[02:52] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  how do i know when dependencies change?
[02:52] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: well, warty used xserver-xfree86 and hoary uses xserver-xorg
[02:53] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: just a general change in the libraries used.  regular upgrade doesn't allow it to uninstall anything, or install anything new
[02:53] <Nameeater> does ubuntu by default set a firewall?
[02:53] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  i'm getting an error now
[02:53] <sharked> i need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge
[02:53] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:53] <b0urn3>  /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-gnome-support_1.0.4-1ubuntu3~5.04ubp5_i386.deb
[02:53] <b0urn3> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:53] <phzi> Ign http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports Release
[02:53] <sharked> anyone?
[02:53] <[koji] > Nameater: needs firestarter
[02:54] <tanki> aru, http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/AOTB/post/435246/Beer_Floats_Dairy_Curdling_Good.html
[02:54] <phzi> what is that repository for?
[02:54] <Nameeater> so it shouldn't be blocking any ports then?
[02:54] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: that's pretty odd
[02:54] <krash3x> does anyone know how to change to 3d desktop I cant find it on my session menu
[02:54] <phzi> krash3x: 3ddesk
[02:54] <imaek> When I first installed ubuntu on this computer, it gave me a list of resolutions and asked me to check the ones that my monitor supports, and it had a few default ones checked, so I left it.  Now, I want a larger resolution (I swear, even though it says 1204x768, it's like GIANT) and I need to edit that list.  How can I do this?
[02:55] <sharked> i need help from someone that knows a hell of a lot about linux and wants a challenge
[02:55] <Frank_dot> krash3x: I think you just run 3ddesk in a console
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: what does your sources.list look like?  (don't paste it here, use a pastebin)
[02:55] <krash3x> ok thanks
[02:55] <phzi> xbindkeys will probably come in handy
[02:55] <phzi> and the xbindkeys-gui is nice too
[02:55] <b0urn3> i think it might have gotten it
[02:55] <tiglionabbit> sharked: don't repeat yourself.  And uh, if you want people who know a lot about linux, try #linux.  Or just ask the question
[02:55] <Nameeater> imaek: /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help, there might be a better way tho
[02:56] <aru> I love tabbed browsing but sometimes I get so many tabs I cry
[02:56] <Nameeater> be brutal and kill then :>
[02:56] <tanki> aru, yeah but that beer tab was worth it
[02:56] <b0urn3> tiglionabbit:  i got it...i had to manually install gnome-firefox support
[02:56] <imaek> Nameeater: do you happen to know the next step above 1024 x 768?
[02:56] <tiglionabbit> b0urn3: ok
[02:56] <tanki> 1200x1024 i think
[02:56] <phzi> 1280x1024 probably
[02:57] <phzi> 1280x1024 is a higher res setting
[02:57] <phzi> unless you want 11?? or w/e that one is
[02:57] <tanki> does anyone here use linux screen savers or do you just have your monitor power down
[02:57] <imaek> okay, so I'm guessign I need to restart X-Server now (ctrl+alt+backspace), right?
[02:58] <Ziggity> how do you refresh the database on Ubuntu?
[02:58] <tiglionabbit> imaek: sure.  You can log out of gnome first though
[02:58] <ksmurf> yehaw.... I fix my nessus.... now for nmap.... On another note I am going to be moving my wife over to linux in the next week and I have a friend that I'm sick of fixing his 'doze box for.  Any suggestions on migrating them?  I've only been using for 8wks or so
[02:58] <phzi> tanki: I use the default SSs
[02:59] <Nameeater_> imaek: lost connection, I use 1152x864, but the one after that is 1280x1024
[02:59] <sharked> Im installing ubuntu x64 on my new comp, it has a asus a8n-sli deluxe mb. i go through the installation process and everything goes ok, but when I get to reboot grub doesn't load at all. I get a system disk boot faliure message... I have tried cahnging hard disk order on the bios, and changing the hard disk. whatever I do, I get no grub at the end
[02:59] <tanki> ksmurf, it's harder to sell linux to a loved one, especially a non-technical one
[02:59] <sharked> can ayone help
[02:59] <[koji] > Ziggity: what database?
[02:59] <OdiiN> anyone have problem with the cpu use of video playback ( mplayer, vlc or totem )?
[03:00] <Ziggity> the repositories... file thing..
[03:00] <tanki> ksmurf, what you should do is just set it up for her in such a way that it allows her to do whatever she does on the intraweb with very little interaction on her part
[03:00] <[koji] > Ziggity: sudo apt-get update
[03:00] <MrJangles> i've changed the background of the terminal to a pic of mine, and now it wont open.. any ideas?
[03:00] <phzi> sharked: boot with a live CD or something, and try doing grub-install hd0
[03:01] <Ziggity> [koji] ,  That gets me an update .. I'm sure theres a Refresh command??
[03:01] <sharked> phzi i dont have a live cd
[03:01] <Nameeater_> MrJangles: remove the pic from the background, copy the pic, and reset it?
[03:01] <phzi> then I got nothing for you, I don't know if the installer CD can help you
[03:01] <MrJangles> the terminal wont open for me to get to the config
[03:01] <phzi> did you install grub to the MBR?
[03:02] <tanki> ksmurf, true all good points but some people want their computer so they can do stuff, instead of just pushing a philosophy.. heh
[03:02] <MrJangles> so i cant change the settings
[03:02] <phzi> sharked: did you install grub to the MBR?
[03:02] <sharked> phzi yes I did
[03:02] <OdiiN> is normal with a athlon64 3200+ have a 70% os cpu use when playing a xvid ?
[03:02] <tanki> and with your help you could ease the transition for her by, for example, picking a window manager for X that resembles microsoft windows
[03:02] <sharked> phzi can I use grub on a floppy to load up and then install grub from ubuntu
[03:03] <Ziggity> can I add an item ( shortcut) to a menu on Ubuntu? How?
[03:03] <sharked> ?
[03:03] <tanki> and then fetching all the net apps she's used to like real player, aim, and so forth
[03:03] <phzi> sharked: yes, you can
[03:03] <MrJangles> is there any way to get to the terminal settings without going through the terminal?
[03:03] <phzi> you'll just have to write yourself a menu.lst file
[03:03] <phzi> but that's pretty easy
[03:03] <tanki> setting it up, icons, all that stuff..
[03:03] <sharked> phzi woops...
[03:04] <Amaranth> Mez: You called?
[03:04] <phzi> ?
[03:04] <sharked> phzi i just installed grub to a floppy and I get GRUB Read Error
[03:04] <phzi> hm
[03:04] <phzi> well, that's kinda odd
[03:04] <Mez> amaranth, that was a while back :D bout a problem user
[03:04] <Mez> am of fbed now
[03:04] <Mez> night
[03:04] <phzi> sharked: you've got me puzzled
[03:04] <Amaranth> kutucape?
[03:04] <Amaranth> night Mez
[03:04] <sharked> phzi everybody I ask seems to have the same reaction...
[03:05] <ksmurf>  np
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> i have some problems with the instalation in a laptop AMD
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> Configurando ttf-opensymbol (1.1.3-8ubuntu2) ...
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> updating fontconfig cache...
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> Fontconfig error cnat no load
[03:05] <phzi> installing grub to a floppy shouldn't be able to fail
[03:05] <sharked> phzi I think im gonna go crazy soon with this one
[03:05] <phzi> you don't have virus protection on in your bios do you?
[03:05] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[03:05] <sharked> phzi no
[03:05] <lcharly_TheOne> and when ubuntu and ask me the password
[03:05] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[03:05] <sharked> phzi new mobos don't have it
[03:06] <lcharly_TheOne> don't charge ubuntu
[03:06] <thechitowncubs> anyone have an clue :/
[03:06] <MrJangles> my terminal wont open, it think its the bg image i set, anyway to take that off without going through the terminal?
[03:07] <alxwind> plz help! take a look here (http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546)
[03:07] <tiglionabbit> thechitowncubs: can you switch to a virtual terminal while it's spinning?
[03:07] <thechitowncubs> no
[03:07] <primos> how do I boot network in terminal?
[03:07] <vidz> MrJangles: What terminal do you use? gnome-terminal? try xterm and see what happens
[03:07] <primos> reboot
[03:07] <MrJangles> gnome
[03:07] <thechitowncubs> i can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F1
[03:07] <MrJangles> k
[03:08] <MrJangles> yea thats fine, and root terminal runs fine
[03:08] <phzi> sharked: you gotta do d option
[03:08] <Ziggity> Bye. and thanx to every1 that helped..
[03:08] <phzi> when installing grub
[03:08] <vidz> primos: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" I believe
[03:08] <scsponger> could someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?
[03:08] <phzi> it's a buggy bios thing apparently, I'm reading about it
[03:08] <primos> vidz, thanks
[03:08] <vidz> np
[03:08] <tanki> i can't wait for LinuxBIOS to mature
[03:09] <MrJangles> i want to fix the gnome terminal tho
[03:09] <vidz> tanki: LinuxBIOS is perfectly mature... for what it was designed for
[03:09] <tanki> vidz, it has some ways to go so it can support a wider range of motherboards
[03:09] <alxwind> ANYONE! PLZ HELP
[03:09] <alxwind> take look here plz, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/546
[03:10] <vidz> tanki: It was designed for large clusters and fast booting servers, not desktops unfortunately
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> tiglionabbit: any ideas?
[03:10] <scsponger> could someone help me mount a newly installed cd writer?
[03:10] <teferi_> i'll ask my semi-daily question...anyone know when linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.12 will be in breezy?
[03:10] <vidz> tanki: It works great for High Performance Computing and will probably never hit the desktop
[03:10] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:10] <tanki> vidz, you never know, some geeks have very powerful desktops these days
[03:10] <bimberi> alxwind: Try "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5/include" (ie. add /include to what you tried before)
[03:10] <MrJangles> vidz: can i change the settings of the gnome terminal without opening it?
[03:11] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:11] <Kyral> scsponger, find out what its /dev entry is and then make a /media mountpoint, then edit the fstab to link'em
[03:11] <vidz> MrJangles: Try another terminal and see if it opens. Like xterm
[03:11] <MrJangles> yes those are fine
[03:11] <alxwind> it doesn't work
[03:11] <MrJangles> but id like to fix gnome
[03:11] <mpmc> Help
[03:11] <mpmc> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[03:11] <mpmc> See `config.log' for more details.
[03:12] <Kyral> Actually
[03:12] <mpmc> were do I get the C complier
[03:12] <Kyral> mpmc: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[03:12] <tanki> vidz, maybe it's fleeting but i see it being used for desktops too, maybe not your common run of the mill ones but the high performance ones
[03:12] <hd420> well, the solution i've reached is to just manually install apache, as everything else seems to be ok
[03:12] <tanki> afterall, it's hard to lump linux user's desktops in any catagory heh
[03:13] <scsponger> Kyral.... I know its hdd... but thats about it... there is no entry in my /etc/fstab.... forgive me I'm new a linux
[03:13] <tanki> some are so powerful
[03:13] <Kyral> mpmc, look at what I just said
[03:13] <vidz> tanki: What you see it for an what the developers and companies paying for it to be developed for see a little differently XD
[03:13] <MrJangles> any idea vidz?
[03:13] <Kyral> scsponger, do a sudo mkdir /media/<whatever>
[03:13] <sharked> phzi what is d option?
[03:13] <Kyral> then sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:13] <scsponger> Kyral.... will do gimme a sec
[03:13] <mpmc> thanks you
[03:14] <tanki> vidz, do you think that IP will rear its ugly head in all of this?
[03:14] <scsponger> ok
[03:14] <Kyral> copy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new one
[03:14] <Vortacist> Question about logfiles: On startup/shutdown, when all of the scripts in /etc/rc?.d are run - is all of that logged anywhere?  I'd like to go back and see what is happening on startup/shutdown.
[03:14] <tanki> see it's just the idea of being able to make a bios with no assembly, just C that gives me a woody hehe
[03:15] <supernix> Hi does anyone know how to get midi files to play in Kubuntu ?
[03:15] <Kyral> tanki, you are officially a geek
[03:15] <^thehatsrule^> supernix: play it in a media/audio player...
[03:15] <tanki> i'm 28 and a virgin, i think i'm complete now
[03:16] <supernix> ^thehatsrule^: that is not a solution
[03:16] <tanki> being called a geek by his peers.. completes me
[03:16] <ksmurf> rofl
[03:16] <scsponger> kyral... after making the dir should I see an entry in the fstab?
[03:16] <Kyral> scsponger, no
[03:16] <struggler> anybody know if upgrading the hoary libc6 with a debian one will get me in trouble?
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> hey everyone, im trying to repair my sis's computer, it freezes at the gdm, the activity cursor never stops spinning
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> i'm in the recovery mode root console, any advice on what to check?
[03:16] <^thehatsrule^> supernix: what do you mean then? midi files are audio...
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> i can't even get into the terminal by using CTRL+F1
[03:16] <Kyral> scsponger, you have to manually edit /etc/fstab
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> if im booting normally
[03:16] <supernix> Yes but you have to have something that will work to play them
[03:17] <MrJangles> is there anyway to change gnome terminal settings without going through the terminal?>
[03:17] <supernix> Just saying play them in a compatible program does not provide any useful answer
[03:17] <scsponger> gotcha Kyral
[03:17] <Vortacist> supernix: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#add-onapplications has info about installing media players.
[03:17] <Kyral> scsponger, sudo gedit /etc/fstab, then copy your current CDROM line, replacing its /dev and /media entries with the ones for the new drive
[03:18] <sharked> can anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?
[03:18] <sharked> and how to use it from ubuntu install
[03:18] <^thehatsrule^> /boot/grub
[03:19] <scsponger> Gotcha Kyral.... I'll do this and get back to you in a sec
[03:19] <struggler> anybody know of the existence of a backport of postgresql 8 for hoary?
[03:19] <rainingzigzags> why is my web browsing on linux dirt slow but when i jump on my windows partion it flys
[03:19] <sharked> can anyone tell me what the d option to install grub is?
[03:19] <sharked> and how to use it from ubuntu install
[03:20] <alxwind> 10x everyone i got vmware installed finally
[03:20] <b0urn3> i just added a new screen resolution to the xorg.config file, how do i refresh X?
[03:21] <Vortacist> Does anything log the messages that display on startup/shutdown...you know, "Some-servie-or-other....[ok] "?  (Or do you just have to read really quickly? :p )
[03:21] <misfit_toy> rainingzigzags, name resolution
[03:21] <dylan_> what is the best linux media player?  im currently using xmms
[03:21] <seth_k> b0urn3: CTRL ALT BACKSPACE will kill X.
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: Do you like xmms?
[03:22] <b0urn3> seth_k:  thanks
[03:22] <Kyral> dylan_, asking that will start a flame war :P
[03:22] <dylan_> not too much
[03:22] <lcharly_TheOne> i need drivers for an ATi video card on a laptop??
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: I use beep-media-player and it's pretty good. It is just a gtk2 version of xmms
[03:22] <rainingzigzags> 1024x768
[03:22] <dylan_> does beep-media-player support quicktime?  is there an alternative to quicktime?
[03:22] <vidz> dylan_: rhythmbox is also really good featurewise. It is alot more like apple's itunes
[03:22] <jode> What is a good anti-virus for ubuntu besides clamav?
[03:22] <dylan_> rhytmhbox would not support mp3s
[03:23] <Kyral> umm
[03:23] <siimo> hi can someone help me recover my grub install? i get a stage 1.5 error or something
[03:23] <Kyral> Linux not need AV :P
[03:23] <vidz> jode: LINUX doesn't need antivirus
[03:23] <Vortacist> dylan_: If you want something for video, I recommend VLC. Plays just about anything with no fuss.
[03:23] <vidz> dylan_: Open up synaptic...
[03:23] <jode> ok, thanks
[03:23] <rainingzigzags> misfit_toy, i use the same resolution in both windows and linux 1024x768
[03:23] <Kyral> Yanno, I keep forgetting about Synaptic
[03:23] <rc51woody> question: is there anyone in here that uses gay.com? if so would you message me plz
[03:23] <Kyral> rainingzigzags, he meant the Domain Name Resolution
[03:24] <rainingzigzags> how do i find that out?
[03:24] <Kyral> rc51woody, why does that seem like a porn site?
[03:24] <zukalk> rc51woody, huh?
[03:24] <[koji] > lol
[03:24] <rc51woody> well there is a chat area
[03:24] <tanki> linux doesn't have many true binary viruses because in general, no two linux systems are alike so it's hard for a virus writer to make something that works on all linux users
[03:24] <rc51woody> that the java i have doesnt allow me to chat
[03:24] <rc51woody> not a porn site, unless you use it for that ;)
[03:25] <zukalk> rc51woody, why would you wanna chat at that site?
[03:25] <tanki> there are linux viruses out there but very few
[03:25] <rc51woody> hmm...
[03:25] <mebaran151> I need Mono on Debian
[03:25] <mebaran151> Ubuntu that is
[03:25] <Kyral> I'm thinking because he's gay perhaps?
[03:25] <rc51woody> ok ok ok, im gay :(
[03:25] <siimo> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. is what i get when i do grub-install /dev/hda  can someone help please?
[03:25] <mrpickles> could someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound.
[03:25] <Kyral> rc51woody, no shame, I'm bisexual
[03:25] <mebaran151> where can get the Mono pkgs
[03:25] <zukalk> ah, so it's not porn
[03:25] <zukalk> good
[03:25] <tanki> most people who use a virus scanner for linux, use it to scan files/emails that are intended for windows boxes (ala. mail server)
[03:26] <Will_> My best friend is gay!  I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound
[03:26] <mebaran151> and synaptic doesnt do anything I need it too
[03:26] <Will_> Kyral: Not true. I, for one, am a meat popsicle
[03:26] <zukalk> Kyral, rc51woody, that's the ubuntu spirit, ain't it?
[03:26] <Kyral> homophobes sickin me
[03:26] <mebaran151> as it wont install the base libraries
[03:26] <rc51woody> so Kyral, do you know java for linux well?
[03:26] <rc51woody> your right on zu
[03:27] <mebaran151> setting up Java on AMD64 can kill small children
[03:27] <Kyral> rc51woody, aside from getting Azureus to work?
[03:27] <Kyral> nope :P
[03:27] <[koji] > !java
[03:27] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:27] <primos> gnome is shitty, must turn get to xfce :) ->
[03:27] <mrpickles> could someone tell me why flashplayer plays with no sound after it installed? I just installed flash player using apt get and everything works except the sound
[03:27] <Kyral> Ubuntu: Linux for Human Beings!
[03:27] <Kyral> now we need a country :D
[03:28] <mpmc> Gnome is much better than Kubuntu :)
[03:28] <rc51woody> Kyral: can i private msg you?
[03:28] <mebaran151> ANYONE know about Mono here
[03:28] <aru> I had mono once
[03:28] <Kyral> Ubuntu! The Country for human beings
[03:28] <Kyral> yah sure
[03:28] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Sort of.
[03:28] <siimo> :-S
[03:28] <mebaran151> Amaranth, I want to set up a base system
[03:28] <mebaran151> that can serve a mono cgi
[03:28] <Kyral> oh, no one has to ask to PM me btw
[03:28] <rainingzigzags> so how do i make my browsing on linux faster?
[03:28] <mebaran151> I need the mono packages
[03:28] <mebaran151> my only problem is
[03:28] <b0urn3> ok....first off, you guys have been amazing this evening with the help....i've got an odd question...
[03:28] <mrpickles> is there anyone willing to spend some of their time to help me ?
[03:28] <mebaran151> that I think they are only available for 32 bits at the moment
[03:29] <Amaranth> mebaran151: Yeah, if they work in hoary on AMD64 it's a miracle.
[03:29] <Kyral> 64bit, sorry can't help you
[03:29] <mebaran151> and my favorite thing is to run Linux 64 bit edition .... (someone will die one day because of that choice)
[03:29] <Amaranth> mebaran151: The 1.1.x versions that breezy has are _a lot_ better.
[03:29] <mebaran151> IO dont wnat to write a JIT compiler my self
[03:29] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:29] <mebaran151> but do they run 64 bits
[03:29] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:29] <mebaran151> cool
[03:29] <mebaran151> if I write a program in mono though
[03:29] <mebaran151> I would need to cross compile it
[03:30] <aru> how do you tell which kernel version you have?
[03:30] <mebaran151> to run it on 32 bits right?
[03:30] <b0urn3> i had upgraded to a new video card when i was still using windows...but when i tried to use windows the video card pulled too much power and the monitor wouldn't work (running on an old dell dimension)...if i use the driver from nvidia will i start drawing too much power again?
[03:30] <mebaran151> or is the intermediate language it uses abstract enough that architecture differences disappear
[03:30] <mebaran151> guess who is moving to breezy :)
[03:30] <zukalk> b0urn3, why don't you get new power surge unit?
[03:31] <Nameeater> is breezy still in testing?
[03:31] <Kyral> YES!!
[03:31] <b0urn3> zukalk:  because i am an impoverished law student :)
[03:31] <Kyral> YES!!
[03:31] <mebaran151> looks like I am going to be compiling from source
[03:31] <Amaranth> mebaran151: it'll work on amd64, x86, ppc, alpha, and i think sparc
[03:31] <Kyral> Very Unstable!
[03:31] <Amaranth> Kyral: To be fair it does work today.
[03:31] <Nameeater> ok :)
[03:31] <Kyral> TODAY?
[03:32] <Kyral> As in no X screwups?
[03:32] <Amaranth> Kyral: It'll probably break again tomorrow, but the stuff in main at least is almost past the 'die every other day' point.
[03:32] <Amaranth> yeah, for me
[03:32] <MrJangles> my gnome terminal wont open, is there anyway to change the settings without opening it?
[03:32] <hd420> weird
[03:32] <aio> MrJangles what happens when you try to open it?
[03:32] <rc51woody> can you install windows xp as a 2nd OS if you already have Ubuntu installed?
[03:32] <MrJangles> closes right away
[03:32] <mebaran151> Amaranth, yep it does
[03:33] <mebaran151> but when I run the compiler
[03:33] <MrJangles> i think its got to do with the bg image i chose
[03:33] <mebaran151> it isnt like compiling C right
[03:33] <pepsix> MrJangles, gconf-editor?
[03:33] <Amaranth> no
[03:33] <mebaran151> I read it uses an intermediate language
[03:33] <zukalk> b0urn3, can't you plug your monitor directly to the current, without using the PC?
[03:33] <Amaranth> it's compiled down to CIL
[03:33] <mebaran151> that is kind of like Java bytecode
[03:33] <aio> MrJangles what if you run an xterm, then try to run a gnome terminal
[03:33] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:33] <tiglionabbit> rc51woody: yes you can, but you'll have to restore grub after you do it
[03:33] <Amaranth> so that .exe will run anywhere mono runs
[03:33] <mebaran151> I could never get bytecode to port correctly
[03:33] <mebaran151> oh
[03:33] <mebaran151> sweet
[03:33] <mebaran151> is it fast though
[03:33] <MrJangles> thanks :D
[03:33] <MrJangles> i'll try that too
[03:34] <Amaranth> mebaran151: startup is slower than pure C, of course
[03:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:34] <mebaran151> I know that
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:34] <mebaran151> but the main thing
[03:34] <mebaran151> is will it be faster than Python/Ruby
[03:34] <aio> java sucks
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[03:34] <Amaranth> mebaran151: it's funny, GTK# actually uses less RAM than PyGTK
[03:34] <ubotu> tiglionabbit: Are you smoking crack?
[03:34] <aio> c# sucks
[03:34] <mebaran151> I would think so
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> ubotu recover is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:34] <ubotu> okay, tiglionabbit
[03:34] <mebaran151> aio, why does it suck
[03:34] <aio> mebaran151 which one?
[03:34] <Adross> how do i mount an ext3 drive?
[03:34] <Amaranth> aio: Have you used it?
[03:34] <mebaran151> it looks like a pretty powerful language
[03:34] <tiglionabbit> guys, don't just say something sucks, tell us why
[03:34] <Amaranth> aio: Either one.
[03:35] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:35] <mebaran151> Java I dont like
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: know the device name?
[03:35] <Adross> yes
[03:35] <mebaran151> but I know it can be used
[03:35] <Adross> sda4
[03:35] <Amaranth> aio: I've used both and they both have their place.
[03:35] <mebaran151> I am thinking of developing in C#
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: mount /dev/sda4 /somewhere
[03:35] <MrJangles> hmm, i can launch it from xterm
[03:35] <mebaran151> and hooking it all up with ruby
[03:35] <aio> Amaranth java sucks because 1) you've got sun behind it and no single strong open source alternative.
[03:35] <MrJangles> but it goes to root terminal
[03:35] <Amaranth> um
[03:35] <mebaran151> ok
[03:35] <tiglionabbit> Adross: make the /somewhere any directory you want, but it must exist and be empty
[03:35] <mebaran151> aio, that is all cool
[03:35] <Kyral> !java
[03:35] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[03:35] <mebaran151> but C# is open souurce
[03:35] <mebaran151> I think
[03:36] <rc51woody> tiglionabbit: how do i restore grub after i install xp
[03:36] <mebaran151> the Mon project lets me check out code!
[03:36] <Adross> yeh, cheers
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> !recover
[03:36] <ubotu> recover is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[03:36] <pgavin> mebaran151, uhh, not really, there is an open source implementation, tho
[03:36] <pepsix> MrJangles, you can change the background image in gconf-editor
[03:36] <Amaranth> aio: 1) sun isn't that bad and 2) the gcj and classpath guys would like you saying that
[03:36] <Adross> i was putting -ext3 in there
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 2) trying to actually *do* anything is a pain in the butt.  do you actually remember how to open a file and read lines from it from memory?
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 1) sun's future isn't that bright
[03:36] <Adross> anyway, now thats done, how do i change my home directory to a different partition?
[03:36] <MrJangles> i'm looking, i dont think i can
[03:36] <mebaran151> pgavin, that is like saying UNIX is not open source right now, but FreeBSD is an open source implementation
[03:36] <aio> Amaranth 3) java is virtually unusable without an IDE with lots of bells and whistles
[03:36] <[koji] > aio: sun's may not be but the platform is thriving
[03:36] <mebaran151> to me, if it has a free implementation, it is free enough
[03:36] <tiglionabbit> Adross: it's not necessary, but if you must specify the type, say "-t ext3" instead
[03:36] <mebaran151> aio, but why does C# suck
[03:36] <MrJangles> ah yes i can
[03:37] <mebaran151> looks interesting
[03:37] <Adross> tiglionabbit, i did
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, well, the only C# reference implementation is closed source
[03:37] <aio> Amaranth 4) it is *way* too strongly typed despite what they are tying to accomplish in version 5
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, but there are multiple open source implementations of unix that can be used as a reference
[03:37] <Will_> It's easy to code java without an ide
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> Adross: um, if you mount a partition as /home it should replace it, but you wont be able to access the things in there anymore.  You should set it in your fstab
[03:37] <mebaran151> why cant we use Mono.net as a reference
[03:37] <Will_> Unless you count vim as an ide
[03:37] <goatse> ubuntu doesnt like my laptop =(
[03:37] <mebaran151> once the project matures a little more
[03:37] <mebaran151> it seems it will be reference enoguh
[03:37] <tiglionabbit> goatse: and I don't like your website
[03:37] <aio> mebaran151 c# sucks because 1) its primary patron is Microsoft.  this is a good thing but the negative, i think, outweigh it.
[03:37] <arentie> LimeWire states that my "Quality" is Disconnected, but I can search for files; however, I cannot download anything
[03:37] <pgavin> mebaran151, well, sure, after its mature, but its not right now
[03:38] <goatse> tiglionabbit: dont go there?
[03:38] <Amaranth> it's mature right now
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 2) same thing goes for c# as java on the whole IDE thing
[03:38] <Adross> tiglionabbit, won't be able to access the things in which? MY old partition which i just mounted in /home, or the home folder it replaced?
[03:38] <MrJangles> i can change the default one, but not the one for my profile
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 3) same thing goes for c# as java on static typing
[03:38] <Amaranth> unless you need security zones or System.Windows.Forms
[03:38] <tiglionabbit> Adross: folder it replaced
[03:38] <aio> mebaran151 4) same thing goes for c# as java on actually getting stuff done
[03:38] <Adross> ah k, fine with me
[03:38] <Adross> just reinstalled u see
[03:39] <Amaranth> aio: Have you ever worked on a major project in Java or C#?
[03:39] <pgavin> mebaran151, plus, C# has lots of windows specific details which would have to be emulated in mono