[00:00] <Savour> but i had no clue
[00:00] <Savour> by the way the autologin-user-timeout=XX  does work?
[00:00] <CarlFK> let me know if it works - I have moved onto disabeling the  screen saver now
[00:00] <Savour> it worked !!!
[00:00] <CarlFK> yay :)
[00:00] <CarlFK> autologin-user-timeout=XX - no clue
[00:01] <Savour> aa i was fighting with the screensave before an hour
[00:01] <Savour> lolz
[00:01] <CarlFK> like this?  dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay
[00:01] <Savour> i installed the xscreensaver
[00:01] <Savour> apt-get install -y xscreensaver
[00:01] <CarlFK> I want less screen saver, not more lol
[00:02] <Savour> then you have the screensaver options in menu->preferences->screensaver
[00:04] <Savour> or run xscreensaver-demo it is the same dialog i think
[00:05] <CarlFK> I am trying to script it so I can set it as part of an automated install
[00:05] <Savour> oh ok
[00:06] <Savour> it would be usefull to locate the config anyway
[00:06] <CarlFK> the results change as I change it in the gui:  dconf read /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay
[00:07] <CarlFK> like if I set 10 min, that returns "uint32 600", but I can't seem to use "dconf write..." to change what the gui shows
[00:07] <CarlFK> it's weird.
[00:09] <Savour> indeed, does it work?
[00:10] <CarlFK> I think I have it...  this sets 10 min, and changes the gui: dconf write /org/gnome/desktop/session/idle-delay "uint32 600"
[00:10] <CarlFK> now lets see if setting it to 1 gives me a 1 second screen saver ...
[00:11] <CarlFK> success!
[00:13] <onlty> Im gonna steal the cookies
[00:14] <onlty> from HTTP requsets
[00:52] <donc3> hi
[00:53] <donc3> I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04 but it gives me a grub-install error in the installation
[00:54] <donc3> could someone help me??
[01:27] <danialbehzadi> New unity conflicts with "Gnome Compatibility" Plugin of compiz and it makes troubles for those who upgrade from previous releases
[01:48] <keturn> ah-hah, this is probably the right channel to talk about Trusty.
[01:49] <keturn> The python glib & gtk+ bindings are not working here, which means lots and lots of things are failing
[01:49] <keturn> including launchpad, software-center, etc
[01:50] <keturn> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1292785 a few weeks back.
[01:51] <keturn> so two questions I guess: Are these programs supposed to be using python2 or python3?
[01:52] <keturn> second, is there anything else I can be doing to help that bug along? I know lots of python and a little about gtk and not much about the current methods used for the binding between the two.
[01:59] <darkprincenh> Howdy everyone!
[02:02] <darkprincenh> Random question. Anyone up to trying to answer it?
[02:02] <fibz_> possibly
[02:03] <darkprincenh> Okie dokie then. When I start up my computer and come to the login screen, it sits there for about 30 seconds until I can input my password.  Is that "normal" for this currently un-released release?
[02:12] <darkprincenh> I think it has to do with connecting to my wireless network, but I'm not sure.
[02:12] <darkprincenh> Why it would do that before I logged into my account makes no sense. I would think it should wait to connect until after the desktop has started loading.
[02:13] <keturn> hmm, my 13.10 system certainly lets you log in before the wifi is connected.  (my 14.04 only has ethernet)
[02:13] <danialbehzadi> darkprincenh: No. It is not "normal"
[02:14] <darkprincenh> I could never run 13.10 for whatever reason. It would load to a black screen every time I installed it.  No matter the architecture or whether or not I enabled my nvidia card (which I have since removed due to a bad fan)
[02:15] <danialbehzadi> darkprincenh: you should be able to enter your password whether it is connected to network or not. File a bug via "ubuntu-bug lightdm"
[02:15] <darkprincenh> I've noticed that if I use the KDE desktop, there is a significant wait between logging in and when my sound system comes "online".  This is usually accompanied by a notification that I have connected to my network.
[02:16] <darkprincenh> You mis-understand, sir.
[02:17] <danialbehzadi> darkprincenh: How old is your computer?
[02:17] <darkprincenh> I can log in either way, connected or not.
[02:17] <darkprincenh> It's an Intel Core2Quad with 8gb of DDR3
[02:18] <darkprincenh> Older by today's standards, but a beast none-the-less.
[02:19] <darkprincenh> Let me reboot back to the other partition.  I'm in xubunut LTS right now and it flies.
[02:19] <darkprincenh> I want to check my logs for some things.
[02:28] <darkprincenh> I'm back
[02:33] <darkprincenh> exit
[03:42] <msx> Hi all, just upgraded this package: kerneloops-daemon (0.12+git20090217-3ubuntu7) and got this: update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match kerneloops Default-Stop values (1)
[03:43] <msx> it's that expected?
[03:43] <msx> *is
[04:36] <darkangel> is 33 Celsius Hot for a Ubuntu Hard drive?
[04:40] <ggreer> http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf <-- see section 3.4 on pages 5 and 6
[06:43] <SuperLag> zsync is awesome
[07:02] <friendly-ghost> hello guys
[07:03] <friendly-ghost> I did a frensh install of Trusty with today's image
[07:03] <friendly-ghost> and I got the following error:
[07:03] <friendly-ghost> Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed.
[07:03] <friendly-ghost> This is a fatal error.
[07:12] <friendly-ghost> Anyone here?
[07:16] <Blue1> boo
[07:20] <friendly-ghost> hahahahahaha :D
[07:20] <friendly-ghost> I just came back :D
[07:20] <Blue1> I didn't get that - but you can try to recover it.  this may/maynot help:  http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/
[07:20] <friendly-ghost> yeah, when you see a ghost, one says "Boooooooo!"
[07:20] <friendly-ghost> hahahahahaha
[07:20] <Blue1> ymmv applies
[07:21] <friendly-ghost> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172619/
[07:21] <friendly-ghost> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172645/
[07:22] <Blue1> it looks like you may not have a valid parition -- you might try running gparted
[07:22] <Blue1> to make sure.
[07:23] <friendly-ghost> funny thing is that gparted dosn't see al my partition.
[07:23] <Blue1> fdisk -- I haven't used that in ages...
[07:23] <friendly-ghost> xD
[07:23] <Blue1> I am not sure  fdisk will has gpt support to be honest -- gparted I know does
[07:24] <Blue1> ahh here it is:   WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sda'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.
[07:24] <Blue1> that is in the output you pasted
[07:25] <Blue1> note that if you intend to use windows 7 -- gpt is incompatible
[07:26] <friendly-ghost> http://i57.tinypic.com/28juo1.png
[07:27] <friendly-ghost> I never dual-booted. It only has Ubuntu.
[07:27] <Blue1> okay let me fire up gparted pdq
[07:27] <friendly-ghost> This laptop had originnally Ubuntu 13.10, but I replaced it with Ubuntu gnome Trusty, which upon installation showed me that bootloader problem
[07:29] <Blue1> i did not have those issues - but then I installed on msdos too
[07:29] <Blue1> gparted/device/create new partition table/ -- will allow you to create gpt and msdos
[07:30] <friendly-ghost> I'm wary about using gparted now since it is not showing all my partitions.
[07:31] <friendly-ghost> oh, wait. Never mind.
[07:32] <friendly-ghost> Ok, I didn't think about switching the drives in gparted. First time having more than 1 drive in my computer xD
[07:33] <friendly-ghost> So, could you explain what shall I do next?
[07:33] <friendly-ghost> :)
[07:34] <friendly-ghost> I tried erasing the all the partitions in sdb and re-install, but that didn't work either.
[07:35] <akiva-mobile> does anyone here have xchat? I want to verify a bug
[07:35] <friendly-ghost> Sorry, I'm using Empathy.
[07:36] <Blue1> pidgin
[07:36] <Blue1> why do you need xchat?
[07:36] <Blue1> friendly-ghost: right, but did you create the partition table?
[07:36] <Blue1> deleting the partitions does NOT create the partition table
[07:37] <bekks> deleting partitions implies that there is a partition table already.
[07:38] <Blue1> right, but he is trying to create gpt
[07:39] <akiva-mobile> Blue1, its for the hud. An option of setting the view to tree is not working
[07:39] <akiva-mobile> but it works for others
[07:39] <Blue1> ahh that's more advanced then anything I do.
[07:40] <Blue1> ru using unity?
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> Blue1, me?
[07:40] <Blue1> yes sorry
[07:40] <Blue1> long day...
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> yah
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> lol
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> !tab
[07:40] <Blue1> i am using gnome
[07:40] <akiva-mobile> bah botbuntu isnt here :P
[07:40] <rww> what is a botbuntu
[07:40] <Blue1> gnome today.  gnome tomorrow...well
[07:43] <akiva-mobile> rww, skynet
[07:44] <Blue1> off topic - but I am sure glad I am not using xp -- night folks
[07:44] <friendly-ghost> I'm back.
[07:45] <akiva-mobile> hey building unity8 was working last night in qtcreator, but today it is telling me that no executable is specified. What do I need to do to fix that?
[07:45] <friendly-ghost> Well, after installing Ubuntu trusty on top of Ubuntu 13.10 that came with this laptop, I encountered that bootloading problem, so I deleted the parition, and reinstalled again, but it did not work either
[07:46] <akiva-mobile> friendly-ghost, bios or uefi?
[07:50] <friendly-ghost> BIOS
[07:52] <friendly-ghost> akiva-mobile: never had windows installed on this laptop, so I had no need for UEFI ;-)
[07:54] <akiva-mobile> very strange that you would be getting grub errors; Usually ubuntu handles the boodloader excellently
[07:55] <friendly-ghost> I installed and reinstalled multiple times on my previous computers too. This is the first time it has happened. Then again it is a development brunch
[07:56] <friendly-ghost> Maybe it has something to do with crypt-luk ?
[07:57] <friendly-ghost> Someone gave e this link: www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/wipegpt.html
[07:58] <friendly-ghost> This is me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2213852&p=12971158#post12971158
[07:58] <ggreer> I managed to set up a dual-boot 14.04/windows 8.1 laptop with the ubuntu partition encrypted with luks. everything works except hibernation (suspend to disk)
[07:58] <ggreer> it was not easy
[07:59] <ggreer> the lack of hibernation is because I accidentally encrypted a partition instead of creating a whole luks encrypted volume. I didn't want to redo the ubuntu install
[08:00] <friendly-ghost> I'm gettingn sleepy :(
[08:00] <friendly-ghost> :9 :(
[08:00] <friendly-ghost> but I still haven't fixed this xD
[08:00] <ggreer> probably best to sleep on it. anything you do now is likely to be a mistake
[08:00] <friendly-ghost> hahahahahah :D
[08:00] <ggreer> the computer isn't going to spoil overnight
[08:00] <ggreer> :)
[08:02] <Beldar> !bootinfo| friendly-ghost run this script and add to your thread.
[08:03] <Beldar> friendly-ghost, The app I was trying to get you to run, makes this script, paste all the text from it to your thread.
[08:03] <friendly-ghost> ok. *downloading*
[08:04] <friendly-ghost> oh by the way, the Ubuntu installer is still runing, and..
[08:04] <friendly-ghost> Should I choose "Continue without a bootloader" or "Cancel the installation" ?
[08:06] <Beldar> friendly-ghost, The problem you have is a uefi computer that was set up to run just ubuntu. It still has the gpt/efi sda, consequently ubuntu did a efi install, so it is not a bios boot as is.
[08:08] <Beldar> at the least, gpt in the partition table in sda
[08:08] <friendly-ghost> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7172873/
[08:08] <friendly-ghost> amazing! never saw that script before.
[08:11] <friendly-ghost> Thank you Beldar, akiva-mobile, and Blue1 :)
[08:11] <Beldar> friendly-ghost, I am not sure on this situation with two HD's, one gpt one msdos. I would close the install, and post that in your thread. Look for a mod to post, there is one that concentrates in this area.
[08:12] <akiva-mobile> friendly-ghost, To learn more about Grubs, bootloaders, or poetry; Visit your local public library
[08:12] <akiva-mobile> or logon to pbskids.org
[08:12] <friendly-ghost> lol
[08:13] <Beldar> best darn bootloader in the west
[08:18] <friendly-ghost> :)
[08:18] <friendly-ghost> Well. I might see you guys later :D maybe in two days since I'm stuck tomorrow :D
[08:18] <friendly-ghost> see ya all
[08:25] <narekb> hi people, could someone help me out with 13.10 -> 14.04?
[08:25] <narekb> I am getting "The software is up to date" when I run update-manager -d
[08:27] <akiva-mobile> narekb, hmmm?
[08:27] <akiva-mobile> narekb, that sounds familiar
[08:27] <narekb> do I need to enable additional sources?
[08:27] <akiva-mobile> narekb, hummmm try it again; i'm busy googling it
[08:28] <akiva-mobile> narekb, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:28] <akiva-mobile> you should run that before
[08:28] <narekb> I did that
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> narekb, uhmm, do it without the &&
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> so execute them seperately
[08:30] <narekb> hmmm ,ok
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> && piping often causes scripts to break
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> like they will only execute the first
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> in theory they should execute each one in unison, but for me that works maybe 50% of the time
[08:31] <narekb> ahh I see
[08:31] <narekb> I'll try that now
[08:31] <narekb> akiva-mobile, have you upgraded already?
[08:31] <akiva-mobile> narekb, yah
[08:31] <narekb> is it worth it?
[08:31] <akiva-mobile> narekb, are you a developer?
[08:32] <narekb> well, I would be interested in doing some coding on Ubuntu
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> narekb, yah then sure
[08:32] <narekb> sweet
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> and I can help get you started in that
[08:32] <narekb> :D
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> because lord knows I wish I had that help :P Its hard to get into it at first
[08:32] <narekb> thank you
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> np
[08:33] <rayq> hey all...something strange with my trusty install...not sure what to do
[08:33] <rayq> kernel shows Linux m50vm 3.13.0-17-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 10 21:44:01 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:33] <rayq> updated and dist-upgrade with no effect. my other trusty install shows 1.13.0-20
[08:33] <rayq> ...for kernel
[08:34] <rayq> sorry 3.13.0-20
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:46] <narekb> oook time for reboot
[08:50] <narekb> akiva-mobile, thank you very much, it worked, I am now upgrading
[08:51] <akiva-mobile> narekb, great :)
[08:51] <akiva-mobile> narekb, lesson here; piping is confusing
[08:51] <narekb> piping doesn't work :D
[08:52] <akiva-mobile> hmmm maybe piping isnt the right word ...
[08:52] <akiva-mobile> usually refers to |
[08:52] <akiva-mobile> anywhoo
[09:29] <donc3> Hi !! Could someone help me with a problem with ubuntu 14.04
[09:29] <donc3> ????
[09:29] <bekks> donc3: you have to sepcify the problem first.
[09:29] <donc3> okay
[09:30] <donc3> I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04
[09:31] <donc3> I'm trying to install ubuntu 14.04. it's a fatal error
[09:31] <donc3> how could I solve it???
[09:31] <ikonia> donc3: giving clear information would be a start
[09:31] <bekks> can you be more specific? "it'S a fatal error" doesnt mean much.
[09:35] <donc3> this is the exact error: "the execution of <<grub-install  /dev/sdb>> has failed. This is a fatal error."
[09:35] <donc3> ikonia:
[09:39] <donc3> bekks: I think that it's a bug of the efi boot mode
[09:39] <bekks> Why do you think that?
[09:41] <donc3> because it is a new netbook and I'm doing a new installation of ubuntu with the boot in efi mode
[09:41] <bekks> And why do you think it is related to EFI?
[09:42] <donc3> I have booted ubuntu with a grub bootable usb deactivating the efi mode
[09:43] <bekks> you cannot "deactivate" EFI with an usb bootable whatever.
[09:43] <bekks> !efi | donc3
[09:43] <donc3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1299134
[09:44] <bekks> So if that bug persists without EFI, it cant be an EFI related bug - thats obvious, isnt it? :)
[09:47] <donc3> so... can I do something to boot the OS without the Usb with the grub??
[09:47] <ikonia> I'm more interested why it's trying to put grub onto sdb
[09:48] <ikonia> unless I have missed that part of the conversation
[09:49] <donc3> because is the disk ssd in which I'm installing ubuntu
[09:52] <bekks> why did you install grub on the usb before?
[09:52] <donc3> no after the error
[09:53] <ikonia> where you install ubuntu doesn't matter, the boot loader should  be on the mbr of the boot disk
[09:53] <ikonia> unless you plan to chain load it from another disk
[09:53] <donc3> I have to download a rescue grub bootable usb
[09:53] <ikonia> why /
[09:53] <bekks> donc3: Why?
[09:53] <ikonia> the ubuntu cd is a rescue cd
[09:54] <donc3> but with the ubuntu cd I don't know how to fix it...
[10:30] <Dudytz> hi all ... I use the Ubuntu 14.04, I have a user with the default groups (adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare) and encrypted home. Everything works well, but I have error in nautilus to mount a FAT32 partition (in another disk [sdb]) and mount of usb pendrive FAT32 formatted. Can anyone helpme to identify the root cause?
[10:31] <Dudytz> The error is "You do not have the permissions necessary to mount XXX"
[10:35] <Dudytz> anyone?
[10:42] <bekks> use sudo mount ...
[10:51] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:24] <alfonsojon> Morning.
[11:24] <alfonsojon> Does 14.04 include better support for Exynos processors?
[11:25] <alfonsojon> The Exynos 5250, in particular.
[11:25] <alfonsojon> The GPU doesn't currently support anything but fbdev as a framebuffer, which makes it a pain to use.
[11:25] <alfonsojon> :(
[11:33] <BluesKaj> dunno alfonsojon, we deal with regular pcs and laptops, phones are bit more difficult to support
[11:33] <alfonsojon> it's not a phone.
[11:33] <alfonsojon> The Samsung Chromebook Series 3
[11:34] <alfonsojon> It can run Ubuntu 12.04 fine, but that's because of Unity 2D.
[11:34] <alfonsojon> BluesKaj: ^
[11:34] <BluesKaj> chromebooks are a rare item in this channel too
[11:35] <BluesKaj> no experience with them , sorry
[11:51] <BluesKaj> alfonsojon, suppose you've already read this, but I'll post it just in case, http://askubuntu.com/questions/356243/true-ubuntu-on-chromebook-arm-samsung
[11:58] <mamat> I've just updated kubuntu and restarted it. then I've got 'baloo_file' in ksysguard uses cpu constantly and hasn't stopped yet, what is it for?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> mamat, baloo replaced nepomuk as file search/indexer, you can kill it in system monitor
[12:03] <mamat> BluesKaj: is it safe?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> yes, if nepomuk was enabled when baloo replaced it then baloo will be enabled. Killing it merely disables i.
[12:04] <BluesKaj> it
[12:05] <mamat> OK thanks
[12:06] <mamat> many things crash after dist-upgrading
[12:07] <BluesKaj> mamat, for example?
[12:08] <mamat> kwalletd, baloo_file_extractor
[12:14] <udzguru> hello
[13:46] <vlada> hi!
[13:47] <lordievader> Hey vlada
[13:48] <vlada> I'm trying Ubuntu 14.04 right now and have to say that I'm impressed by incremental update and stability of it. Great release. Packagers have done their job quite nice! :)
[13:48] <lordievader> They sure have :)
[13:48] <vlada> There is only one thing I've noticed is severely broken in mine particular installation.
[13:49] <vlada> Looks like qt5 based packagers have broken keyboard input. I can write in default (English) language, but not in any other.
[13:50] <vlada> Serbian and Deutsch layout don't work. Is that known issue? Anyone else experienced it?
[13:51] <vlada> qt4, qt3, gtk+ (both version 2 and 3) work great
[13:51] <vlada> lordievader, now that I've said it, hi to you too! ;)
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Qt5 shouldn't be tried at this stage even tho it's available to devs
[13:53] <lordievader> This is #ubuntu+1! Qt5 might be alpha, but that didn't stop us with Trusty. I'm going to try kf5 once my update finishes :D
[13:53] <BluesKaj> lordievader, well good luck
[13:55] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Thanks.
[13:55] <lordievader> vlada: Anyhow, did you install qt5 through Project Neon?
[13:56] <vlada> BluesKaj, To be honest, I'm well aware of alpha/beta stage of qt5, but 5.2 isn't really pre-release-4.99-beta-don't-try-at-home release. ;) Only one app, accidentally I build it myself daily, uses it. It's Scribus 1.5 (text layout application).
[13:57] <vlada> Only other place where I've noticed bad behavior is qt5 provided app ecosystem. I.e. Qt Designer.
[13:58] <vlada> lordievader, no. What's that? :)
[13:59] <lordievader> vlada: It's for trying out KDE framework 5, which is based on Qt5.
[14:00] <vlada> lordievader, ah! Nope! I'm using 14.04 provided binaries
[14:01] <lordievader> Right, as I figured.
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> FYI: 14.04 suddenly froze and shut down during the installation of Inkscape, using the software center
[14:24] <vlada> lordievader, As any good citizen, I've filled a bug report. ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1299474
[14:24] <vlada> MonkeyDust, hi
[14:24] <lordievader> :D
[14:25] <vlada> MonkeyDust, Whole system halted by installing package or just Ubuntu sw center
[14:25] <vlada> ?
[14:54] <Guest55668> hi all
[14:54] <Guest55668> which card is better for 14.04 LTS: intel gma 950 or ATI X1300 pro
[14:54] <Guest55668> 10x in advise
[14:57] <Guest55668> eny1
[15:12] <Guest55668> bye
[15:17] <yofel> BluesKaj, lordievader: qt5 isn't alpha but at version 5.2, what you're thinking about is kf5 (which isn't the only user of qt5)
[15:18] <lordievader> Check
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok
[15:21] <BluesKaj> had the ppa but apt-purged it due to many problems with artifacts
[15:28] <BluesKaj> erikson43
[15:28] <BluesKaj> my alter ego
[15:30] <BluesKaj> on other irc servers, which I haven't used in yrs
[15:56] <nikwen> Hi! I just tried to update my 13.10 installation to 14.04 beta by running "update-manager -d".
[15:56] <nikwen> However, it failed. :(
[15:57] <nikwen> I previously had the "click" package installed from the up to date repo on Launchpad.
[15:57] <nikwen> Therefore, the update of that package failed.
[15:57] <nikwen> In addition, upstart-app-launch is broken as well.
[15:59] <nikwen> It says that click (probably the old one) depends on python3-click (< 0.4.12~saucy1~test1.1) but that 0.4.20 should be installed.
[15:59] <nikwen> The error with upstart-app-launch is similar to that one.
[16:00] <nikwen> Does anyone have an idea what I could do? (I haven't rebooted yet.)
[16:02] <Nothing_Much> Why can't I install programs from the USC?
[16:05] <bekks> Nothing_Much: Because we dont know the error message you get ;)
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> bekks: well it's from packages outside of the USC
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> but there is no error
[16:05] <Nothing_Much> it says.. "processing triggers libc6"
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> as it would normally after a finished installation]
[16:06] <bekks> And what else does happen?
[16:06] <Nothing_Much> nothing, it just doesn't install
[16:07] <Nothing_Much> but it only happens when you open and attempt an install through the USC
[16:07] <Nothing_Much> I can easily install through the command line
[16:08] <Nothing_Much> but the USC is either bugged or not allowing outside packages
[16:08] <Nothing_Much> to be installed
[16:25] <Gavin^> There seems to be a problem which I've narrowed down to the kernel 3.13.0-20-generic.  Using that I lose all hardware acceleration and desktop effects.  Going back to 3.13.0-19-generic works. This on Intel graphics.
[17:23] <narekb> ok, I got 14.04 working, but onw I have this problem
[17:23] <narekb> I can't install .debs dowloaded from the web
[17:23] <narekb> *downloaded
[17:23] <narekb> anyone got the same issue?
[17:24] <MonkeyDust> narekb  1) use gdebi; 2) careful with unscreened .debs from the web
[17:24] <utusan> can't install like what? error?
[17:24] <narekb> utusan, it says they're corrupted
[17:24] <narekb> but it's... Skype
[17:24] <narekb> why would Skype be corrupt?
[17:24] <utusan> it means your deb file is bad
[17:25] <narekb> but it worked just fine on 13.10
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> narekb  skype is in the partner repo, activate that and install skype
[17:28] <narekb> hmmm
[17:28] <narekb> lemme try
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> that was a failed boot into ubuntu-gnome remix
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> 14.04
[19:17] <Guest55668> hi all
[19:17] <Guest55668> which card is bether Intel gma 950 or Ati X1300 pro@
[19:17] <Guest55668> for 14.04 LTS?
[19:17] <Guest55668> 10x in advise
[19:22] <bekks> the x1300 is - well, "outdated" would be too friendly.
[19:22] <bekks> That card is about 8 years old.
[19:23] <Guest55668> yes, i know , but "the old rig" is old
[19:23] <Guest55668> and I dont want to drop it
[19:23] <bekks> which doesnt affect the fact that the x1300 isnt supported by fglxr anymore.
[19:27] <xee> Greetings, I'm trying Kubuntu 14.04 and I'm happy with it, I'm running it on an intel 4th generation laptop with HD 4400 graphics, I get some graphical glitches occasionally, is this a known issue ?
[19:35] <Guest55668> summa sumarum, from which card /NV,ATI,Intel/ above we can think for 14 LTS
[19:46] <rigo_> hi
[19:46] <rigo_> the system is Linux htpc 3.14.0-031400rc8-generic #201403242335 SMP Tue Mar 25 03:36:22 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux running an xbmc with tvheadend back and frontend, using a tevii s662
[19:47] <rigo_> liplinian driver installed firmware downloaded.
[19:47] <rigo_> dmesg is http://paste.ubuntu.com/7175847/
[19:47] <rigo_> i still have only blank (sometimes flashing) screen. sound is ok. (avi, divx, mkv etc.. files are fine only live tv picture is not.)
[19:56] <Guest55668> bue
[19:56] <Guest55668> bye
[22:00] <freijon> can anyone see my message from #ubuntu? i'm on my phone and can't copy my last message
[22:03] <ikonia> we can see
[22:03] <freijon> feel free to paste it here
[22:03] <freijon> any ideas?
[22:06] <Daekdroom> "<freijon> hey guys. I've updated to ubuntu gnome 14.04 via update-manager (last time I did that). during the upgrade my screen turned black. after a few hours I turned the computer off. I finished the upgrade with apt-get dist-upgrade. now everything is installed but I get a black screen after booting the system. I tried everything I know and I'm out of ideas. any advice would be much appreciated!"
[22:07] <freijon> thanks daekdroom
[22:09] <freijon> after waiting for several minutes, I now see an "X" as cursor, the rest is black. restarting gdm turns the screen black again
[22:10] <freijon> I already reconfigured x-server and gdm
[22:11] <freijon> what else could I do?
[22:25] <ice9> I have noticed general better speed performance in 14.04 is it true? and what's the reason behind this?
[22:39] <penguin42> ice9: It can be pretty hard to answer something like that - there will have been a lot of changes
[22:40] <ice9> penguin42: that's good it's really faster and more responsive and launches applications faster
[22:40] <ice9> I can feel this
[22:43] <ice9> is there a way to disable global menu for all applications?
[22:48] <ice9> how to show menu in the title bar as show here http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/03/7-ubuntu-14-04-lts-improvements-youll-love  at number 3
[22:54] <trism> ice9: did you find the option, I just testing and it is CCSM/Ubuntu Unity Plugin/Launcher/Minimize Single Window Applications (Unsupported)
[22:55] <ice9> trism: yes it's working thank you
[22:55] <ice9> trism: do you know to display the application menu in the title bar?
[22:57] <aboSamoor> I have a problem with my package manager, any idea? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7176646/
[22:57] <aboSamoor> after upgrading
[22:57] <Daekdroom> You can also access it through System Settings > Appearance > Behaviour tab > Show the menus for a window (x) in the window's title bar
[22:58] <trism> ice9: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity integrated-menus true;
[22:58] <trism> Daekdroom: nice find
[22:59] <ice9> Trusty is brilliant
[23:09] <aboSamoor> can someone help me, I am stuck after upgrading :(
[23:17] <trism> aboSamoor: that is kind of weird, seems to be failing on adding the user because it is already there, I can't seem to reproduce it though
[23:19] <ice9> some applications are missing the title bar like libreoffice
[23:20] <trism> aboSamoor: I think you could fix it with: sudo deluser avahi;
[23:20] <trism> aboSamoor: you may need to stop avahi-daemon if it is already running or that will error: sudo stop avahi-daemon;
[23:20] <trism> aboSamoor: then try the sudo apt-get -f install; again
[23:21] <trism> aboSamoor: wonder how you got into that inconsistant state...might be worth a bug report, I notice in avahi-daemon.postinst addgroup has || true but not the adduser line, hence the error
[23:23] <ice9> trism: do you have that problem too? libreoffice has no title bar
[23:25] <trism> ice9: nope I have a title bar here


[09:12] <rmg51> Morning
[09:55] <ChinnoDog> morning
[10:14]  * ChinnoDog sips tea
[11:25]  * jedijf chugs coffee
[11:26] <jedijf> around ounce 30 atm
[11:29] <JonathanD> Morning jedijf, ChinnoDog
[11:37] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Your coffee can probably be measured in mpg
[11:42] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: today possibly - 2 bids to deliver (Atlantic City and Bridgeton) back to Cinnaminson then to Blue Bell for PLUG and Coredials coming out party!!!
[11:42] <jedijf> oy vey
[11:42] <jedijf> same trip almost thursday - atlantic and cumberland bid openings then a preso in bridgeton at 7pm thurs night
[11:43] <ChinnoDog> "coming out"?
[11:44] <jedijf> i choose words that get people attention - it's the sales prostitute in me
[11:44] <jedijf>  *showman*
[11:46] <waltman> "bid openings"?
[11:47] <jedijf> you have to 'bid' to do business with public (and some private) entities - the openings are public -
[11:48] <jedijf> these are for NJ Counties - Atlantic and Cumberland specifically
[11:48] <jedijf> surprisingly, I am the only one who usually shows up - but I like to make sure I have all the info, that the other bidders supply all the required documentation, etc etc etc
[11:49] <waltman> so you open with some onion bagels?
[11:49] <waltman> and a nice loaf of rye?
[11:49] <jedijf> lol, sometimes - sometimes samples are required - that's a goodthing for me, others don't provide, i have their bids thrown out
[11:49] <waltman> ok, time for breakfast. later.
[11:49] <jedijf> sometimes wrappers and labels
[11:51] <jedijf> bids are odd - each has it's own requirements - some are no business with X - like Iran - Ireland? - weird
[12:01] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else


[00:00] <nhandler> akgraner: FYI, you are unidentified (I meant to mention that yesterday)
[00:01] <akgraner> hmmm I wonder why?
[00:02] <akgraner> nhandler, well I guess I forgot I set the agenda table up :-/  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings
[00:03] <akgraner> hopefully that is a little easier for people to add topics for discussion to the agenda
[00:04] <nhandler> akgraner: Yep. You made a note about discussing topics in Fridge then UWN order. Would you prefer they get added to the agenda sorted that way?
[00:05] <akgraner> I'd just prefer to keep UWN topics grouped together and Fridge topics grouped together  - the order doesn't really matter too much to me really
[00:05] <nhandler> akgraner: Grouped together on the wiki page or grouped together when we discuss them at the meeting?
[00:06] <akgraner> just grouped together when we discuss them
[00:06] <nhandler> Sounds good
[00:07] <akgraner> cool - now to figure out why I am now unidentified - I didn't change anything
[00:07] <akgraner> weird
[00:20] <nhandler> akgraner: Wouldn't it make sense to move the meeting pages under the /NewsTeam namespace since they are now for the entire news team and not just UWN?
[00:20] <akgraner> yep  - that's one of the changes for the re-org of the pages :-)
[00:22] <nhandler> :)
[00:22] <akgraner> I have a bunch of things to add to the agenda - but I'll do that later tonight
[00:24]  * nhandler added it to the /topic
[00:43] <akgraner> thank you!
[00:44] <akgraner> bbiab...thanks nhandler!


[00:33] <gerlowskija> To (maybe) answer my own question, it looks related to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1298057.  Though there's already a commit to fix this issue, so maybe what I'm seeing is unrelated.
[00:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298057 in Ubuntu Reminders app "adding a note in reminders app does not let you enter data in it but just adds an untitled one" [Critical,Fix committed]
[06:08] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <justCarakas> good morning all
[07:20] <dpm> morning justCarakas
[07:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am getting this error
[07:25] <Aki-Thinkpad> *** Error in `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlscene': double free or corruption (out): 0x00007fff3c8bf520 ***
[07:26] <mihir> good morning :)
[07:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am a bit lost as to what exactly that means
[07:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> I am using qfile, and this is an error that will happen if I use my function 2 or 3 times.
[07:26] <justCarakas> any news on the app showdown ?
[07:27] <Aki-Thinkpad> 0x7ffff5e41e4f  <+0x000f>         mov    (%rax),%ecx
[07:28] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, I might as well enter the app showdown; it can be any app right?
[07:29] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: the app showdown is already over, we are just waiting for the reults
[07:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> ;_;
[07:29] <Aki-Thinkpad> ah well, I would not have been ready in time
[07:29] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: maybe next time you can join :)
[07:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> You think the judges would be excited about a gnu-apl based calculator?
[07:30] <Aki-Thinkpad> Formal Logic array programming ftw!
[07:30] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: it's rather fun, only the waiting for the results is nerve wracking
[07:31] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: the apps had to be QML or HTML5
[07:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, yap; mine is... well it executes a system command
[07:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> but its written in qml; still fine right?
[07:31] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, oh what did you enter btw?
[07:32] <justCarakas> BE Mobile
[07:32] <justCarakas> justcarakas.wordpress.com/
[07:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> oh yah that's right
[07:33] <Aki-Thinkpad> very important app :)
[07:34] <justCarakas> for the belgian people yes :)
[07:34] <justCarakas> but I don't know if that is wide enough :)
[07:34] <justCarakas> I know that I wouldn't switch without it
[07:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> ha
[07:35] <Aki-Thinkpad> buy a bicycle!
[07:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> I wonder if I should make that application called $100; the app you buy just so you can say that you bought it, and it has your name right beside it.
[07:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> err
[07:36] <Aki-Thinkpad> entered into a database*
[07:37] <mihir> renato: ping
[07:38] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: no need to buy one, I got one from work :)
[07:38] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: not sure if that would work :p
[07:39] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, it actually used to be a famous iphone app; I think it got removed
[07:41] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: yea, but I don't think people here will be willing to spend money on that unless it is to fund a project
[07:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> justCarakas, were talking about apple users here.
[07:42] <Aki-Thinkpad> ;)
[07:43] <justCarakas> Aki-Thinkpad: ow :)
[08:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> this is giving me a crash; any ideas?
[08:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> 	Q_INVOKABLE QString writeAPLScript(const QString &inputText);
[08:58] <Aki-Thinkpad> I suspect it has to do with the &, but I do not know.
[09:39] <Aki-Thinkpad> Bah! I do not understand this error ~:/
[10:06] <dpm> hi mihir, would you mind looking at this branch, and see if the issues you were pointing out have been addressed?
[10:06] <dpm> mihir, https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-copypaste/+merge/210932
[10:06] <dpm> thanks!
[10:07] <mihir> dpm: looking
[10:08] <dpm> rpadovani, thanks a lot for the online accounts branch in Reminders! We've now only got 2 important branches to land in reminders, which is quite cool. If you've got time, could you look into mzanetti's comment about what needs fixing in https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/18Mar14/+merge/211545 ?
[10:08] <dpm> thanks!
[10:11] <mihir> dpm: approved :)
[10:11] <mihir> popey: thanks for testing on device :)
[10:11] <popey> np ☻
[10:11] <dpm> excellent, thanks mihir! Top-approved as well?
[10:12] <mihir> dpm: yes :)
[10:12] <aquarius> t1mp, https://plus.google.com/u/0/+StuartLangridge/posts/SLQoXZ9yMki is what I was playing with on the bottom edge
[10:12] <dpm> mihir, \o/
[10:12] <mihir> popey: should we go ahead with extra functionalities ?
[10:12] <mihir> or we need design inputs ?
[10:12] <popey> We can move forward with advanced functions, we need to make sure we have tests and they pass
[10:14] <mihir> popey: okay sure then , i'll test most of them and assuming we'll use this design, and in between we can get some design inputs let us know :)
[10:18] <t1mp> aquarius: interesting. I didn't see the opera app yet
[10:18] <t1mp> aquarius: did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOI6kXmejo ?
[10:18] <aquarius> t1mp, if you've got an iPhone, try opera coast. It is very very cool.
[10:18] <aquarius> if not, look at a video of it ;)
[10:19] <t1mp> ah now I realize why I didn't see the opera app.. I only have smartphones with ubuntu or meego on it
[10:19] <mihir> popey: saw your comment, most prob this will be UI bug , https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-calculator-app/ubuntu-calculator-app-copypaste/+merge/210932
[10:19] <aquarius> t1mp, yeah
[10:20] <mihir> dpm: can you test this MR on device , https://code.launchpad.net/~mihirsoni/ubuntu-calendar-app/limitFunctionality/+merge/211536
[10:20] <mihir> it is almost done.
[10:20] <t1mp> aquarius: I don't see the bottom edge swipe in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7VI-Xfslt4 but a button
[10:20] <aquarius> t1mp, I have seen that browser bottom edge mockup. I think that having the url bar on screen all the time is dead annoying, and one of the big things I like about Coast is that that's removed. I'm not sure that "switch between my existing tabs" is as vital as "search for things"
[10:21] <aquarius> t1mp, yep -- they don't have the bottom edge swipe in Coast
[10:21] <t1mp> aquarius: I haven't actually tried windows 8, but the video looks to me like a windows 8 app on ios
[10:21] <aquarius> t1mp, what I stole from them is the idea of fullscreen content (well, for us it's *actually* fullscreen -- they need to leave room for the button!), and fullscreen search as the primary way to get stuff
[10:22] <t1mp> aquarius: try chrome on ios, the address bar goes away when you scroll (yeah, I have an ios device, ipad mini)
[10:22] <t1mp> (since 2 weeks to edit photos)
[10:22] <aquarius> t1mp, ah, you can try coast then!
[10:22] <t1mp> ah I thought it was iphone only
[10:22] <aquarius> yeah, chrome makes the address bar disappear when scrolling, like our header
[10:23] <aquarius> until about two weeks ago Coast was i*Pad* only :)
[10:24] <dpm> mihir, sure. I'll be done with calls in ~30, and I'll take a look then
[10:25] <aquarius> t1mp, anyway, it's not anything like a finished idea -- it was so I could play with the idea of the bottom edge, try and handle "swipe up, then swipe left" differently from just "swipe up", and see how hard it was to use Oxide in an app :)
[10:25] <mihir> dpm: no issues :)
[10:28] <daker> aquarius: see http://linapio.com/
[10:28] <daker> aquarius: http://linapio.com/portfolio/ubuntu-phone-browser
[10:29] <aquarius> ooh, more ideas, cool
[10:30] <daker> aquarius: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1311941/comments/1
[10:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1311941 in webbrowser-app "Difficult to select text in address bar" [Undecided,New]
[10:30] <aquarius> yeah, I already know about that one :)
[10:31] <aquarius> I liked Coast's philosophy, and it fits in well in my opinion with the Ubuntu goal of putting content front and centre and keeping chrome out of the way
[10:31] <aquarius> especially the idea that the URL bar is not an essential part of the browser, just because it always has been
[12:09] <dpm> nik90, when you've got a minute, could you look at addressing the last comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-weather-app/improved-toolbar-icons/+merge/216098 ? It's just a one-line change, and once done I'll be happy to top-approve and get it merged
[12:20] <dpm> popey, down to 37 branches from the 45 we had this morning :) -> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/core-apps-sponsoring/
[12:20] <popey> phew!
[12:23] <justcarakas> popey: is there something wrong with podcast.ubuntu-uk.org ? I cant reach it
[12:23] <popey> ooh
[12:24] <popey> hmm, it's up
[12:24] <justcarakas> popey: hmm must be a local problem than :'( was listening to the podcast
[12:24] <aquarius> nope
[12:24] <aquarius> http://isup.me/http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[12:24] <aquarius> says it's down too
[12:24] <aquarius> and it's down for me
[12:25] <popey> no, i have the same problem
[12:25] <popey> but the box is up
[12:25] <aquarius> ah
[12:25] <justcarakas> ow thats not good
[12:26] <justcarakas> it was still working 40 min ago :)
[12:28] <popey> hmm, i dont get it
[12:29] <justcarakas> popey: have you tried turning it off and on again :p
[12:30] <popey> try now
[12:30] <popey> #blamephp
[12:31] <aquarius> working for me now
[12:31] <popey> ta
[12:31] <renato> mihir, pong
[12:31] <justcarakas> thank you
[12:31] <justcarakas> now I can continue my marathon :)
[12:32] <popey> site seems sluggish
[12:47] <nik90> dpm: sure
[12:48] <dpm> awesome
[12:48] <mihir> renato: is there any change in EDS , for recurrence ?
[12:49] <renato> mihir, these are the pending MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/qtorganizer5-eds/trunk/+activereviews
[12:52] <mihir> because this code always return ONCE , even if it is recurrent http://paste.ubuntu.com/7359211/
[12:52] <nik90> dpm: fixed it.
[12:53] <nik90> dpm: Although I noticed the following line in debian control -> qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin | qt-components-ubuntu
[12:53] <nik90> dpm: do we still use the old name qt-components-ubuntu anywhere?
[12:54] <dpm> nik90, awesome, looking and top-approving now! I don't think we do. I seem to remember that was the original package name for the toolkit back in 13.04, but no one longer uses it. I'd say keep it as it doesn't hurt, but don't add it for new packages?
[12:55] <nik90> dpm: new packages?
[12:55] <dpm> nik90, e.g. if the clock app were to need a new C++ plugin, we'd need a new .deb package to be generated to be installable in the desktop
[12:56] <nik90> dpm: ah okay..I agre
[12:56] <popey> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run/+merge/217239 seems to have passed jenkins...
[12:56] <nik90> s/agre/agree
[12:56] <dpm> popey, indeed, psivaa helped me on that this morning
[12:57] <dpm> I just need a human review and approval :)
[12:58] <dpm> renato, for your two calendar branches, could you look into the latest comment and also why are they failing on Jenkins? I.e.
[12:58] <dpm> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-1311111/+merge/217286
[12:58] <dpm> https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-1311125/+merge/217251
[12:59] <popey> oof, dpm it fails to build here...
[12:59] <popey> E: ubuntu-filemanager-app source: not-binnmuable-all-depends-any ubuntu-filemanager-app-autopilot -> ubuntu-filemanager-app
[12:59] <popey> E: ubuntu-filemanager-app: missing-dependency-on-libc needed by usr/bin/filemanager
[12:59] <dpm> oh weird, I had fixed that
[12:59]  * dpm rebuilds package
[13:03] <renato> dpm, both mr meged with mainline
[13:04] <dpm> renato, awesome, thanks. Now let's see what Jenkins has to say. I'm not sure why it was complaining on not finding the python module for the tests
[13:09] <nerochiaro> ara: can you please try this and let me know if it makes things better for your camera issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7359287/
[13:10] <nerochiaro> ara: just in case it's a codec issue and not a device issue
[13:11] <nerochiaro> bfiller: i found out how to make the camera record in ogg format, but if we want that i need to change gallery to recognize these videos, at the moment it expects mp4 files (which is weird because for you it records in mkv format instead)
[13:11] <nerochiaro> bfiller: should i go ahead and submit merge requests for both changes ?
[13:14] <ara> nerochiaro, otp, will try as soon as I finish the call
[13:18] <bfiller> nerochiaro: gallery can play back any formats I think, we changed that
[13:25] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ok, i might be working on an older version, let me make sure it's the case with the most recent
[13:26] <bfiller> nerochiaro: I verified it plays ogv on desktop
[13:26] <bfiller> nerochiaro: any progress on the playback issue on a fresh install?
[13:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> okay I have a functional application :)
[13:26] <Aki-Thinkpad> happiness
[13:27] <nerochiaro> bfiller: unfortunately i can't get my camera to work when using a fresh install in a vm
[13:28] <nerochiaro> bfiller: but even getting down to the same plugins that she has on gstreamer doesn't give me that error. the other main diff between her sys and mine is that i'm on 32 bits and she's on 64
[13:28] <dpm> popey, fixed. Can you please pull and try the latest lp:~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run to see if it fixes the build for you?
[13:30] <bfiller> nerochiaro: hmnn, I'm 64 bit
[13:30] <bfiller> and works for me
[13:32] <ara> nerochiaro, it is a bit better, while recording the image is not stalled, but it is like recording a frame (and changing it in the screen) every 5 seconds
[13:32] <popey> dpm: sure
[13:33] <ara> nerochiaro, and I get this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7359400/
[13:34] <dpm> cool, thanks°
[13:34] <dpm> renato, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-1311111/+merge/217286 now, it seems it's failing on one of the tests
[13:34] <ara> bfiller, jibel was able to reproduce it as well
[13:34] <renato> yes I saw, I will fix that
[13:34] <dpm> cool, thanks renato
[13:34] <nerochiaro> ara: seems like your system isn't fast enough to encode
[13:35] <bfiller> ara: yes I know, pmcgowan was as well
[13:35] <ara> nerochiaro, might be, I am on a temporal system while reainstalling my new one
[13:35] <ara> nerochiaro, shall I try how well cheese works on my system=
[13:35] <ara> ?
[13:36] <nerochiaro> ara: yes please
[13:36] <nerochiaro> ara: it probably does the same, if you ask it to record with the same codec
[13:36] <nerochiaro> (ogg theora)
[13:36] <ara> ok
[13:37] <popey> dpm: approved
[13:37] <ara> nerochiaro, how do I change the codec in cheese?
[13:38] <ara> cheese --help does not seem to show an option to change the codec :/
[13:39] <dpm> popey, \o/
[13:39] <nerochiaro> ara: not sure, cheese doesn't work on my system
[13:39] <ara> :)
[13:39] <nerochiaro> ara: i actually don't think you can do that from the UI
[13:40] <nerochiaro> ara: if at all
[13:40] <ara> nerochiaro, yes, that's confirmed, I haven't seen any UI option, but I cannot see any CLI option either
[13:43] <dpm> balloons, could you have a second look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run/+merge/217239 and top-approve if you think it's ok? I addressed your suggestion of separating the feature of parsing the cmake file into another MP
[13:50] <dpm> elopio, and could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/run-ap-from-out-of-source-build/+merge/217510 ? Also related to the above branch and addressing your comments ^
[13:54] <dpm> renato, we're cleaning up the list of core apps branches pending review, and I came across this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~pkunal-parmar/ubuntu-calendar-app/MutiEventOnSameSlot/+merge/216507 - there were some questions Kunal was asking you last week. If you've got a minute could you look at them, so that he can move forward with the branch? Thanks!
[13:58] <ara> bfiller, can you assign someone to this bug, please? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gallery-app/+bug/1312123
[13:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1312123 in gallery-app (Ubuntu) "[desktop] Window title should't be gallery-app" [High,New]
[13:58] <ara> bfiller, also, it would be good to have an ETA for the fix to land in the PPA pat set up
[13:59] <bfiller> ara: ok
[13:59] <ara> bfiller, thanks
[13:59] <bfiller> ara: will push something by end of week to ppa. have a bunch of changes queued up
[14:00] <ara> bfiller, fantastic, thanks
[14:12] <dpm> kenvandine, I'm probably going to use the wrong content hub nomenclature here, but bear with me :) Has the feature which would allow opening files from the filemanager app landed? Is this something we can test in filemanager?
[14:13] <dpm> and is that the same feature we'll need for docviewer to be able to open e.g. PDFs?
[14:19] <kenvandine> dpm, yes, it has landed :)
[14:20] <elopio> dpm: I'll take a look.
[14:20] <elopio> mardy: ping.
[14:20] <dpm> kenvandine, oh, awesome. So what is it called, so that I can refer to it properly? :-)
[14:20] <dpm> kenvandine, and also, what do we need to implement in filemanager and docviewer to start using it?
[14:21] <dpm> cool, gracias elopio
[14:21] <kenvandine> so filemanager could add our component for selecting the import handler
[14:21] <kenvandine> ContentPeerPicker
[14:21] <kenvandine> and the app that imports it would need to provide an Import handler
[14:22] <dpm> kenvandine, great, thanks. Which API documentation can we use for that?
[14:23] <mardy> elopio: hi!
[14:27] <kenvandine> developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.04/Ubuntu.Content/
[14:27] <kenvandine> dpm, ^^
[14:28] <Elleo> dpm: there are also some extra examples here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/content-hub/trunk/files/head:/examples/
[14:28] <elopio> mardy: we are trying to test the reminders app. Is there a way to add the developer token to the account without doing the oauth validation?
[14:29] <mardy> elopio: if evernote supports OAuth 2.0, it is (let me check)
[14:29] <dpm> thanks kenvandine, Elleo
[14:30] <mardy> elopio: no, it seems it's OAuth 1.0a
[14:31] <mardy> elopio: so, at the moment the answer is no, but if you file a bug on the signon-plugin-oauth package, I can add that functionality
[14:33] <elopio> mardy: ok, I'll add the bug.
[14:33] <elopio> mardy: can you tell me how would I do it with oauth 2.0?
[14:36] <ahayzen> elopio, t1mp, sorry to be of bother, did u see my resubmit? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/217338
[14:37] <mardy> elopio: it should be doable with the account-console command line tool, something like this:
[14:38] <elopio> ahayzen: I saw it. I'll try to get jenkins running the tests there.
[14:38] <ahayzen> elopio, awesome thanks, FYI as i said in the comment i reran the clock tests and didn't get any issues either
[14:39] <elopio> ahayzen: same here. From my pov, it's good to go.
[14:39] <ahayzen> elopio, yey thanks :)
[14:40] <mardy> elopio: mmm... no, the current account-console doesn't actually allow you to pass a dictionary of parameters, so that would also need to be changed (it's not hard either)
[14:40] <mardy> elopio: do you want to do that from a shell script or from a program?
[14:42] <elopio> mardy: I have a python module that calls gi.repository stuff, like account-console does.
[14:42] <elopio> so I can pass the dictionary there.
[14:42] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/reminders-app/test_with_account/+merge/217171
[14:42] <elopio> mardy: take a look at credentials.py
[14:44] <mardy> elopio: cool! So, after line 98, you need to modify session_data
[14:46] <mardy> elopio: by doing something like this: session_data['ProvidedTokens'] = { 'AccessToken': 'xxx', 'TokenSecret': 'yyy' }
[14:46] <mardy> elopio: and I'm sorry that I gave you wrong info: OAuth 1.0a is also supported :-)
[14:47] <mardy> elopio: so you should be able to make it work right away
[14:47] <elopio> nice!
[14:47] <elopio> mardy: I'm trying.
[14:47] <elopio> balloons: ^
[14:48] <mardy> elopio: you can also add UserId and ScreenName in the dictionary, if you have them and if the app uses them
[14:49] <elopio> ack
[14:50] <mardy> elopio: basically, you could use account-console to login; it prints on stdout the result it gets from the server, and that's a dictionary that you can put as-is in ProvidedTokens
[14:51] <elopio> mardy: one more thing.
[14:51] <elopio> I'm doing almost the same to add a u1 account to test the click scope.
[14:51] <elopio> but when I click the install button, I get a segfault.
[14:52] <elopio> mardy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7359835/
[14:52] <elopio> this used to work like a month ago. Do you think it has something to do with the account, or with the scope?
[14:54] <popey> balloons: looking at <IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/2286/testReport/junit/calendar_app.tests.test_calendar/TestMainView/test_new_event_with_mouse_/ on https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calendar-app/fix-1311111/+merge/217286 ..
[14:54] <popey> balloons: looks from the video like it never tries to pull the toolbar up.. any ideas?
[14:55] <mardy> elopio: I don't see anything obviously wrong in those longs
[14:56] <elopio> mardy: Apr 28 17:37:15 tangamandapio-desktop signond[24866]: ../../../../src/signond/credentialsdb.cpp 710 methodId No result or invalid method query.
[14:56] <elopio> is that ok?
[14:56] <mardy> elopio: though it seems that the "password" mechanism was never used before... so maybe the account password has not been stored yet?
[14:56] <pmcgowan> mhall119, popey is there any plan for music-app to support streaming?
[14:56] <popey> pmcgowan: Not currently.
[14:57] <pmcgowan> popey, ok, that is as expected
[14:59] <elopio> mardy: I think I'm storing the password: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity-scope-click/update_new_scopes2/view/head:/autopilot/unityclickscope/credentials.py
[14:59] <elopio> on the test setup I'm calling add_u1_account, that behaves just as the add_evernote_account I showed you before.
[15:00] <popey> pmcgowan: we did discuss it in the past, but figured it was better to have a single-use app rather than all-things-to-all-men
[15:00] <mardy> elopio: ah, sorry, you are right, that warning doesn't mean anything bad
[15:00] <pmcgowan> popey, I think thats fine
[15:01] <mardy> elopio: the second time that you run it, it should not emit it
[15:03] <balloons> popey, log says it indeed failed to open toolbar
[15:04] <popey> balloons: any idea where it's going wrong?
[15:05] <balloons> popey, this same thing happened before and the reason was because of the qml changes made.. I couldn't add a new location manually either
[15:05] <balloons> I would check that first :-)
[15:09] <popey> balloons: works on my device
[15:09] <popey> balloons: in fact watch the video, the toolbar disappeared, on my desktop it doesn't
[15:10] <balloons> popey, one sec, branching for myself
[15:10] <popey> ta
[15:11] <popey> balloons: hah! there is no toolbar, it's using a new look save/cancel button
[15:11] <popey> thats probably why
[15:12] <balloons> yes indeed
[15:12] <balloons> just got to the testcode ;-)
[15:12] <balloons> so there used to be an eventsave button, but it's changed
[15:12] <balloons> so let's look @ the qml and fix it
[15:13] <balloons> yep, one small tweak needed in newevent.qml
[15:13] <popey> \o/
[15:14] <popey> left a comment
[15:14] <balloons> I'll leave a diff
[15:14] <popey> ^5
[15:14]  * popey hugs renato
[15:15] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ping
[15:17] <dpm> balloons, around?
[15:17] <balloons> dpm, yep.
[15:19] <dpm> balloons, did you see my ping earlier? Could you review and (if it's ok) top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run/+merge/217239 ?
[15:19] <balloons> dpm, yes I saw.. I can top-approve, yes. Thanks for splitting it out
[15:20] <dpm> cool, thank you!
[15:22] <rickspencer3> hey, can anyone tell me where to look for documentation on download manager?
[15:28] <rickspencer3> mzanetti, hi
[15:29] <rickspencer3> I want to add car2go info to my app
[15:29] <rickspencer3> I figured I should just copy it from you
[15:29] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[15:37] <rpadovani> mzanetti, popey https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/improveFirstRun/+merge/217485/comments/517798
[15:41] <popey> thanks rpadovani
[15:41] <balloons> popey, did you try https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run/+merge/217239 on your device?
[15:42] <popey> balloons: no, only on my desktop
[15:42] <balloons> not working for me on device ... hmm
[15:43] <balloons> nvm.. all good :-)
[15:44] <renato> dpm, popey , autopilot test fixed
[15:44] <balloons> renato beat me to putting the diff in, heh
[15:44] <popey> heh, thanks renato
[15:44] <popey> a worthwhile hug
[15:45] <renato> welcome
[16:13] <nerochiaro> bfiller: artmello: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-record-theora/+merge/217636
[16:18] <dpm> thanks a lot renato!
[16:18] <ara> nerochiaro, I saw you propose a change to the camera-app
[16:18] <ara> I said that it worked a bit better in the small application, but still not well enough
[16:19] <ara> nerochiaro, when recording, the image is not still, but it only changes once every ~2seconds
[16:21] <nerochiaro> ara: that might be a problem in your machine, didn't you say it was a replacement one ? artmello tried it and it seems to work fine. he has the same issue as you otherwise
[16:26] <ara> nerochiaro, ok, I will try with my main system
[16:26] <ara> nerochiaro, thanks!
[16:27] <nerochiaro> ara: np
[16:34] <mzanetti> rpadovani: o/
[16:34] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/
[16:35] <mzanetti> rpadovani: I don't think its totally out of the scope of this branch
[16:35] <mzanetti> rpadovani: if the user creates 2 accounts while in the accounts setup and returns, your logic would fail
[16:35] <mzanetti> rpadovani: anyways, not a big deal...
[16:36] <rpadovani> mzanetti, on phone this is impossibile, and on desktop also if there isn't  the focus the signal is emitted, so the first account added has autologin...
[16:36] <mzanetti> rpadovani: ah ok
[16:36] <mzanetti> rpadovani: anyways, the rest looks good
[16:37] <rpadovani> mzanetti, thanks. In the evening I'll try to fix also the other branch
[16:41] <dpm> thanks a lot rpadovani for looking into those branches
[16:44] <rpadovani> dpm, no problem, I said that I would have done :-)
[16:44] <dpm> rock on
[17:05] <dpm> fginther, balloons, it seems Jenkins is still using the 'ubuntu_filemanager_app' config instead of 'filemanager' on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-desktop-run/+merge/217239
[17:05] <dpm> can we get Jenkins retriggered with the new config to land the branch?
[17:07] <balloons> dpm, that's something for fginther to do, though I wonder why it swapped back
[17:08] <balloons> dpm, fginther ohh, lol, the autolanding job needs switched also :-)
[17:08] <dpm> balloons, thanks. Perhaps because it's a different job run on top-approval?
[17:20] <balloons> dpm, exactly
[17:44] <fginther> dpm, balloons, the job has been updated and the MP re-approved.
[18:51] <mihir> popey: ping !!
[18:51] <mihir> popey: any inputs on this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1297739 ?
[18:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1297739 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Event repeat options should match google calendar." [High,Triaged]
[20:57] <rickspencer3> the awkward moment when you are searching online for how to do something, and your own blog post is on the first page of results
[20:57] <rickspencer3> not a great sign ;)
[20:58] <ogra_> as long as the info on it helps :)
[20:58] <ogra_> (i agree., the QML documentation situation is awful)
[20:59] <ogra_> if you search something you usually find some ancient stuff from blackberry etc
[21:00] <rickspencer3> ogra_, yeah, it didn't help so much
[21:01] <rickspencer3> :)
[21:01] <daker> ogra_: flood google with QML content from our developer portal
[21:01] <ogra_> haha
[21:01] <daker> so we need to work out the SEO of d.u.c /cc mhall119
[21:02] <daker> to get our content in the first pages
[21:03] <ogra_> well, most of the time i'm more interested in finding example code that gives me an idea how to adapt it for my problem
[21:04] <ogra_> and thats pretty rare still ... on our portal
[21:05] <mhall119> daker: we do?
[21:06] <daker> we don't :)
[21:11] <rickspencer3> mhall119, are there standard zoom in/zoom out icons I should use?
[21:12] <rickspencer3> looking here, I am guessing not http://askubuntu.com/questions/289747/are-there-any-standard-icons-for-qml-app-development
[21:31] <mhall119> rickspencer3: there's the ubuntu-mobile-icons, but nowhere that says "here's the stock icons available", though it's been requested before
[21:32] <mhall119> and, as far as I know, using them as default theme icons means they won't work on the desktop by default
[21:33] <rickspencer3> mhall119, ok
[21:33] <rickspencer3> thanks for the info
[21:33] <rickspencer3> I just grabbed some images from the web
[21:33] <mhall119> np
[21:33] <mhall119> I'd like to get a better story behind icons, for our app developers
[21:34] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[21:34] <rickspencer3> turns out that loading over 11K POI into a MapItemView cause performance issues
[21:34] <rickspencer3> who would have guessed?
[21:35] <mhall119> you have a lot of interests :)
[21:35] <rickspencer3> mhall119, that's how many bus stops are in and around DC
[21:36] <ogra_> move to a smaller city then
[21:36] <rickspencer3> right
[21:36] <mhall119> not counting the train?
[21:36] <rickspencer3> ooooor, I could just fetch smaller data sets that only fit into the map
[21:36] <ogra_> you could make a popup ssaying that
[21:36] <mhall119> that's how I traveled when I visited DC
[21:36] <rickspencer3> mhall119, I haven't added metro stops yet
[21:36] <rickspencer3> I was hoping that MapItemView had some secret super performance mojo
[21:36]  * rickspencer3 shrugs
[21:37] <mhall119> maybe Kaleo knows of something
[21:37] <rickspencer3> just a little more code ;)
[21:37] <rickspencer3> well, I strongly expected this would happen, I just wanted to avoid a premature optimization
[21:38]  * mhall119 nods
[21:39] <rickspencer3> 'night all
[23:30] <elopio> I need help with qml.
[23:30] <elopio> ahayzen or nik90, any chance you are around?
[23:31] <ahayzen> elopio, whts up?
[23:32] <elopio> ahayzen: I need a flickable with a label at the top
[23:32] <elopio> and empty space, and then a label at the bottom, out of view.
[23:32] <elopio> ahayzen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7362655/
[23:32] <ahayzen> elopio, put like a margintop of the height of the parent? or create a transparent object?
[23:33] <elopio> that's as a far as I could get, but I can't swipe.
[23:33] <elopio> the implementation doesn't matter. I just need something to swipe.
[23:35] <ahayzen> elopio, hmm swear i've hit upon this before
[23:35]  * ahayzen tries to remember how to resolve
[23:36] <ahayzen> elopio, the contentHeight needs to be higher than the height of the window/wht it is going into
[23:38] <ahayzen> elopio, and u need the anchor.fill: parent
[23:38] <ahayzen> elopio, eg as a quick hack http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7362706/
[23:41] <elopio> ahayzen: that looks much better, but I still can't swipe.
[23:42] <elopio> hum, opening it with qmlscene I can.
[23:43] <elopio> thanks ahayzen!
[23:53] <ahayzen> elopio, np
[23:53] <ahayzen> elopio, wht was going on with this mp i saw u started then aborted the autopilot tests? https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/217338
[23:54] <elopio> ahayzen: I ran it in the wrong merge.
[23:54] <ahayzen> elopio, ah on the one not to staging but to trunk
[23:55] <elopio> yes, sorry.
[23:55] <elopio> then I ran it in the good one and cancelled the other.
[23:55] <elopio> it could be that this cancelled both. Running once again.
[23:56] <ahayzen> elopio, hah lol thanks


[10:03] <seb128> nigelb, there?
[10:03] <seb128> nigelb, where should I look for patches to reviews?
[10:03] <seb128> ups
[10:03] <seb128> wrong channel
[15:37] <lamont> slangasek: not that you're using it, but kapok is not yours atm, use king if you have a need.


[00:02] <lifeless> mwhudson: ui api changes
[00:02] <lifeless> mwhudson: silentuifactory is generally regarded as testing only so if you're using it in production you may need to fix it.
[00:03] <mwhudson> lifeless: all i was doing is calling run_bzr
[00:03] <mwhudson> but ok
[00:03] <mwhudson> anyway, i cribbed some code to set a ui factory and it works now
[00:03] <lifeless> mwhudson: oh, so the default 'call run_bzr' breaks now? I'd really like it if you file a bug about that.
[00:04] <mwhudson> lifeless: yes; ok
[00:06] <mwhudson> lifeless: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/499637
[00:09] <jelmer> poolie: No idea, sorry
[00:10] <jelmer> in general, CIFS shares should have the same semantics as NTFS drives
[00:21] <poolie> mwhudson: it does mean something to me
[00:21] <poolie> mwhudson: it means that you're calling code that wants to do an output stream but you've asked it to be silent
[00:21] <poolie> so you have to make up your mind :)
[00:21] <poolie> or fix one of these things
[00:22] <mwhudson> poolie: i haven't asked for it to be silent; that's the default
[00:22] <poolie> spiv: bug 495023 is nice :)
[00:22] <lifeless> poolie: I think you misread the no idea comment, it was from jelmer
[00:22] <lifeless> poolie: and I think SilentUI should eat an output stream :)
[00:22] <poolie> lifeless: no i didn't
[00:22] <spiv> poolie: if by nice you mean "signals are die die die" :)
[00:23] <spiv> s/are/argh/
[00:23] <spiv> (weird typo!)
[00:24] <scorp007> how do I change the submit branch that shows up in bzr info?
[00:24] <lifeless> poolie: ok
[00:24] <poolie> :)
[00:25] <lifeless> poolie: ah I see, it made sense to the earlier comment ;)
[00:25] <lifeless> scorp007: via bzr submit
[00:25] <scorp007> oh
[00:26] <scorp007> there's no such command? you mean send?
[00:27] <lifeless> yes
[01:02] <lifeless> poolie: and boom, it lands
[01:37] <lifeless> james_w: I've blogged about getting started with bzr-builddeb
[01:41] <lifeless> http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/12/the-best-and-the-worst-tech-of.html
[01:42] <lifeless> I love the quote about scrum-as-practiced :)
[02:40] <spiv> Launchpad should announce new merge proposals in this IRC channel.
[02:50] <mwhudson> spiv: statik has a thingummy that does that
[02:50] <mwhudson> (it works off email i guess)
[02:51] <spiv> Yeah, something email triggered would do I suppose.
[02:51] <spiv> I don't want to look after an IRC bot, I want someone else to do all the hard work :)
[02:53] <mwhudson> i suggest you talk to statik then
[02:53] <statik> yo
[02:53] <mwhudson> !
[02:53] <statik> all i had was a procmail rule the spit text at radix's publishbot
[02:54] <statik> niemeyers mup supports the same interface
[03:54] <mwhudson> poolie: where does make_uifactory_for_stream  live?
[03:54] <mwhudson> oh hang on, maybe the checkout i'm grepping is out of date
[03:54] <poolie> actually make_ui_for_terminal
[03:54] <poolie> in bzrlib.ui
[03:54] <mwhudson> ah ok
[03:54] <poolie> you know what i mean :)
[03:54] <mwhudson>     ui.ui_factory = ui.make_ui_for_terminal(
[03:54] <mwhudson>         sys.stdin, sys.stdout, sys.stderr)
[03:54] <mwhudson> doing this seems to work
[03:55] <mwhudson> (i cargo culted that from some where else)
[04:03] <poolie> jml, still around?
[04:34] <jml> poolie, yes.
[04:48] <Viper550> okay, used explorer to make a trunk "repository" on my hard drive for something, how do I push it up to lp?
[06:16] <poolie> lifeless: first test against testtools trunk and it fails with an AttributeError :/
[06:17] <lifeless> poolie: ugh :( pastebin ?
[06:18] <poolie>     self.exception_handlers.insert(0,
[06:18] <poolie> AttributeError: 'TestAdd' object has no attribute 'exception_handlers'
[06:19] <Peng> Oh? In what, lp:bzr?
[06:19] <lifeless> poolie: that indicates you have an old testtools version
[06:20] <lifeless> poolie: definitely not trunk, or 0.9.2
[06:20] <poolie> it does look like it
[06:20] <poolie> i'm pretty sure i have trunk
[06:20] <lifeless> python -c 'import testtools; print testtools.__file__'
[06:20] <poolie> ah maybe i have jml's old trunk
[06:21] <poolie> i thought you were going to check the version?
[06:26] <poolie> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mbp/bzr/trivial/+merge/16525
[06:26] <poolie> bit of a bug in lp that this can happen
[06:28] <lifeless> that what can happen?
[06:28] <poolie> that i can do 'bzr pull' in a checkout of testtools trunk, but not get what's the new trunk
[06:28] <lifeless> yes
[06:28] <poolie> this can be seen as a bug in putting the owner into the url
[06:29] <lifeless> if jml had moved the branch you would have gotten an error
[06:29] <poolie> right
[06:29] <lifeless> I consider the bug to be bzr storing the resolved branch though
[06:29] <spiv> Well, there can be more than one bug :)
[06:29] <poolie> anyhow
[06:29] <lifeless> spiv: true, but I *like* owner in url :P
[06:29] <poolie> does it?
[06:30] <lifeless> spiv: I'll agree to 'side effect'
[06:30] <poolie> i guess it does, though it's possible i just used the full url originally
[06:30] <poolie> anyhow
[06:30] <poolie> i am glad this is in
[06:30] <poolie> i'd like to tweak the display to show errors as they happen
[06:30] <poolie> and that's better done not specific to bzr
[06:30] <lifeless> poolie: yes, bzr branch lp:foo -> parent will be bzr+ssh://b.l.n/foo/~bar/baz
[06:30] <poolie> assuming it can be merged
[06:31] <lifeless> poolie: so, errors showing as they happen - change bzr's reporter to not use the 'current global ui factory' and instead cache the ui factory it is started with.
[06:32] <poolie> ok
[06:32] <poolie> that sounds good
[06:32] <lifeless> poolie: tests running with silent ui are hiding reporting of things via note() - I saw this, but its an orthogonal change to the root class
[06:32] <poolie> what's the connection?
[06:32] <poolie> ah
[06:34] <lifeless> if you run with --parallel=fork, the global ui isn't ever changed, and the current encoded behaviour can be seen. With a normal run, things get masked.
[06:34] <lifeless> poolie: btw you can use the testtools packages in the beta ppa - or install the subunit releases ppa and get subunit and testtools from there.
[06:35] <poolie> i know
[06:35] <lifeless> poolie: I'm happy for you to run from trunk of these dependencies, just want to be sure you know its optional.
[06:35] <poolie> but i may actually patch them
[06:35] <poolie> so (barely) slightly easier to start with branches
[06:35] <lifeless> poolie: sure. They both have bzr packaging branches, so you can patch with packages too :)
[06:36] <lifeless> poolie: fwiw I run from packages on them, regardless of patched-or-not, it just works out easier overall, I think.
[06:37] <poolie> definitely helps by the time there are binaries
[06:40] <lifeless> Someone next year I'll do the 'include the failed test work area' patch
[06:40] <lifeless> using the addOnException TestCase api to add a tarball detail
[06:41] <lifeless> s/Someone/Sometime/
[07:04] <lifeless> poolie: well, I find it has a bunch of benefits; I find out about things that would make packaging harder (such as files not included in the tarball) early;
[07:04] <lifeless> I don't need to remember to set the python path
[07:04] <poolie> true
[07:04] <poolie> ok, maybe i'll build from them
[07:04] <lifeless> and I don't need to futz with a local python install getting in the way in the future.
[07:04] <poolie> k
[07:05] <poolie> signing off soon
[07:07] <lifeless> see you in the new year
[07:17] <spiv> Ok, I'm off too.
[07:22]  * lifeless sniffs
[07:23] <lifeless> I can't tell from here
[07:23] <lifeless> Peng: new test dependency
[07:23]  * Peng nods
[07:35] <lifeless> Peng: its in lucid, or the bzr-beta-ppa
[07:36] <Peng> I've got it from source.
[07:43] <lifeless> kk
[07:55] <Fleabag> hi
[08:11] <Peng> I like playing with --parallel, so I already needed it anyway. :P
[08:11] <Peng> Besides, I don't run the test suite much.
[08:19] <lifeless> Peng: :P
[08:22] <Peng> I should probably RTFM, but: subunit is a superset of testtools, right? And bzr now always depends on testtools, but only uses subunit for --parallel, right?
[08:22] <lifeless> subunit is orthogonal to testtools
[08:22] <Peng> It doesn't depend on testtools?
[08:22] <lifeless> it does
[08:23] <lifeless> so its a superset in the same way that bzrlib is a superset of testtools :)
[08:23] <Peng> Heh, okay.
[08:24] <lifeless> subunit is: a protocol definition, serialiser in [languages], parser in [languages] and command line filters for the protocol.
[08:29] <Peng> Oooh.
[08:36] <lifeless> e.g. see libcppunit-subunit-dev - link that in and use it as your test reporter, and you can use subunit-filter,subunit-stats, subunit-tags etc with your favourite cppunit using test suite.
[08:36] <lifeless> and even subunit-diff
[08:51] <ronny> lifeless: is there any buildin sheduling  in subunit
[08:51] <ronny> (i.e. choosing what tests get executed)
[08:52] <lifeless> ronny: no, but it encourages an idiom of having unique ids for tests, and you can use subunit-ls to turn a stream into a \n separated list of test ids
[08:52] <lifeless> which works very will with runners that support choosing based on test id (such as bzr, or zopes test runner)
[08:53] <lifeless> ronny: however, the python 'subunit.run' module can select tests with whatever granularity you give it. It would be appropriate for that module to gain a --load-list feature, I think.
[08:54] <lifeless> ronny: (wouldn't help non-python runners, but would be convenient for python folk)
[08:55] <ronny> lifeless: im thinking in terms of 2-way communication in ad-hoc networks
[08:57] <lifeless> ronny: subunit itself is unidirectional, but it should play nice in larger systems that do 2-way stuff (an example of which is vilas patch to bzr selftest --parallel to feed small chunks to the worker processes)
[08:57] <ronny> at least thats what we want to build for py.test and possibly others
[08:57] <lifeless> ronny: sure, I'd be delighted to see subunit as part of that
[08:58] <ronny> lifeless: does it have separate message lines for collect/discover and run?
[08:58] <lifeless> it doesn't have the first two concepts
[08:59] <ronny> then there is little use for it
[08:59] <lifeless> I think thats a premature opinion
[08:59] <lifeless> for several reasons
[09:00] <lifeless> firstly, subunit passes things it doesn't understand through, so you can embed it in other protocols without needing special out-of-band signalling
[09:01] <lifeless> secondly, setup and control of a test process is a very different problem to machine readable output from the test process; its the latter that subunit provides (and pretty nicely now, I think).
[09:02] <lifeless> lastly, setting up a remote process isn't a test protocol problem, its a remote execution problem, and there are plenty of tools to do that today, so I don't see why you'd want to write it again :)
[09:02] <lifeless> the other test protocols around:
[09:02] <lifeless> pandokia
[09:02] <lifeless> tap
[09:03] <lifeless> junit-xml
[09:03] <lifeless> none of them provide for setting up a remote process
[09:03] <lifeless> (pandokia in aggregate does, but not in its test description format)
[09:05] <ronny> hmm
[09:05] <ronny> i suppose i really ought to take another look
[09:06] <ronny> discovery/feedback will be an important part tho
[09:06] <lifeless> I never said it wasn't important :)
[09:06] <lifeless> what do you mean by feedback
[09:06] <lifeless> you said collect/discovery before
[09:07] <ronny> lifeless: test nodes report the tests they discover, the node manager gives feedback on if they should run it
[09:07] <lifeless> ronny: why do it that way?
[09:08] <ronny> the set of tests that gets run depends on the platform/environment
[09:08] <lifeless> sure
[09:08] <lifeless> but that doesn't imply chatty protocols
[09:10] <ronny> lifeless: well, parallelize test-runs over a ad-hoc network and it suddenly gets handy
[09:11] <ronny> something needs to keep track of what tests had been executed
[09:11] <lifeless> ronny: here is a different way: master node calculates all tests, inspects for machine requirements, partitions by available machines and their info
[09:12] <ronny> thats a lot more tricky than just letting things happen and react according to that
[09:13] <lifeless> anyhow.. here is how you can do the approach you have in mind with subunit easily
[09:14] <lifeless> from the node send "available: id\n" to advertise a test that can be run
[09:14] <lifeless> on the node read "run: id\n" to run a test, and EOF  to shutdown the node
[09:15] <ronny> yes, thats along what i was thinking
[09:15] <ronny> lifeless: feel like adding that as optional extension to subunit, so runners for other languages can add it?
[09:16] <lifeless> on the master, hook each nodes output up to either a subunit.ProtocolTestCase or subunit.TestProtocolServer (if you are running twisted or asyncore you'll want the second)
[09:16] <ronny> lifeless: we'll most likely be using execnet at least for the setup
[09:16] <lifeless> to hook it up, use
[09:17] <lifeless> parser = ProtocolTestCase(stream, passthrough=extra)
[09:17] <lifeless> where extra is a closure with a write method,
[09:17] <lifeless> that write method will get called with "available: id\n" and any other extensions you have.
[09:18] <lifeless> and to kick if off with ProtocolTestCasse, do run(masterresultobject)
[09:18] <lifeless> using the TestProtocolServer is slightly different, but not much.
[09:18] <lifeless> you need to arrange to call lineReceived for it.
[09:19] <lifeless> ronny: are you saying 'reserve the token "available" so that other folk doing similar things might choose the same token'?
[09:19] <ronny> lifeless: yes
[09:19] <lifeless> ronny: If so, I'm happy to note that your project is doing this in the subunit docs
[09:19] <ronny> also the token run
[09:19] <lifeless> ronny: subunit won't see the token run at all
[09:20] <lifeless> ronny: subunit is unidirectional
[09:20] <ronny> lifeless: just as note in the docs, so other folks know the feedback protocol
[09:20] <lifeless> sure
[09:20] <ronny> well, actually run and skip
[09:20] <lifeless> ronny: why would you need skip ?
[09:21] <lifeless> ronny: only tell it to run things you want it to run :)
[09:21] <ronny> lifeless: then the collect/run parts would have to be async
[09:22] <lifeless> I don't see the connection.
[09:23] <lifeless> ronny: so, I think a document describing what you're doing and how it hangs together would be great; that could be either included in subunit, or referenced from subunits docs, depending on how you write it and what focus you put in it.
[09:23] <lifeless> ronny: one thing I've been considering doing is making subunit easier to install with e.g. pip or easy_install.
[09:24] <lifeless> ronny: I mention this in case ease of install comes up for you.
[09:24] <ronny> lifeless: please do that, we'll most likely use virtualenvs
[09:27] <ronny> lifeless: as far as i remember various testrunners execute tests as they find them, and dont collect the whole suite before starting test runs
[09:27] <lifeless> ronny: only nose does that
[09:27] <lifeless> ronny: you can use a lazy loader to do that in any unittest runner that can run a callable (e.g. via the test_suite idiom)
[09:29] <ronny> thats why a skip directive would be helpfull
[09:29] <lifeless> ronny: sorry, I still don't follow
[09:29] <ronny> just report what you find as you go, and get feedback on if you should run the tests
[09:30] <lifeless> ronny: yes, I get that, but I don't see why you need a skip directive on the control side
[09:30] <ronny> i dont like having to guess the dont cases
[09:31] <lifeless> seems like a waste to me, but sure, I can see how it would work
[09:31] <ronny> i want to have a simple sync loop along while test=find_next() { report; read action; if action { run }}
[09:32] <lifeless> I think that would be very slow
[09:32] <lifeless> I'd do
[09:32] <lifeless> tests = find_all()
[09:32] <lifeless> advertise_tests(tests)
[09:32] <lifeless> to_run = (read all run: commands)
[09:32] <lifeless> tests.filter(to_run)
[09:32] <lifeless> run_tests(tests)
[09:33] <lifeless> well, with the last three lines in a loop
[09:33] <ronny> lifeless: i dont want to tell them all to run at a time
[09:33] <lifeless> read one or more run commands, execute, look for more
[09:34] <lifeless> ronny: sure, but that is orthogonal to discovering them all at once, isn't it ?
[09:34] <ronny> i like more granular events tho
[09:34] <lifeless> ronny: I have some experience with this, having done --parallel and --parallel=ec2 for bzr; you really don't want to be waiting for network latency on each test
[09:35] <ronny> hmk
[09:35] <lifeless> if you have enough tests that multi machine parallelisation is worth doing, per test latency will kill your performance.
[09:35] <lifeless> unless your tests are several times slower than that latency
[09:37] <ronny> hmm, well, mine probably are, but other are most likely not
[09:44] <ronny> lifeless: i just discovered that mine and holgers mindmodels rather differ (his already solved the latency stuff, i suppose other issues as well)
[09:45] <lifeless> well, mail me :) or t-i-p, or something :)
[09:47] <ronny> lifeless: yes, i'll get my mindmodel fixed, then i suppose start something on tip
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi all, sorry if this is covered in a faq:
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i pull in a file from a repository which *does not* share a common ancestor with my current branch?
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> (keeping history)
[12:00] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: you can merge in an entire, unrelated branch.  bzr in general can't track revision history when cherrypicking just parts of revisions (like single files rather than all changes)
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> spiv: the branch is 1 script + a README, as long as the merge doesn't eat my existing README that would be fine for me.
[12:03] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: cool
[12:03] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: the trick then is "bzr merge -r0..-1 ../unrelated_branch
[12:03] <spiv> "
[12:03] <Peng> Kamping_Kaiser: The README will probably conflict. Anyway, even if it does get eaten, nothing's set in stone until you commit; you can just revert it.
[12:04] <spiv> it'll probably give a path conflict about the README file; they'll both be there (one will be README, the other README.moved, probably)
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> spiv: if i understand that correctly, from revision 0 until latest revision?
[12:04] <Peng> Kamping_Kaiser: Uh-huh.
[12:05] <spiv> you can 'bzr mv' and/or 'bzr rm' things before committing of course to make sure they are how you want them.
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Peng: re README, noted, I'll try and see what happens.
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Conflict adding file README.  Moved existing file to README.moved.
[12:05] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: right.  The zeroth "revision" is in a sense a common ancestor for all branches :)
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> *grin*
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm interested that the existing readme is moved, rather then the new one.
[12:07] <spiv> Yeah, I'm not sure why that choice was made.  Possibly a coin toss came up heads rather than tails when the implementer had to choose ;)
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[12:08] <spiv> I must admit I tend to find it backwards to my expectations most of the time too.
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll resist the urge to pontificate about what I think shoul happen instead, since I won't be offering patches ;)
[12:09] <spiv> Kamping_Kaiser: you can always file bugs or post to the list :)
[12:09] <spiv> Anyway, I'm off to bed.  I'm glad that that merge seems to have worked for you.
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks for that, sleep well
[13:12] <rubbs> Morning
[13:54] <Viper550> okay, I got a local repository. I'm using Windows. How would I push it up to Launchpad?
[14:04] <rubbs> Viper550: are you trying to contribute to a specific project?
[14:04] <Viper550> yeah, trying to bring it up to my project
[14:05] <rubbs> what is your project's name.
[14:07] <Viper550> lp:~viper550/bbesque/platypus
[14:07] <Viper550> I can explain the name "platypus" though :P
[14:09] <rubbs> no need... just a sec, and I can help you out.
[14:12] <rubbs> ok, so you've got a branch you want to push to the bbesque project. The simplest way to do that is to say "bzr push lp:~viper550/bbesque/branch-name" where branch name is whatever you want (platypus I think is what you got).
[14:12] <rubbs> you will need to set up some ssh keys and get them working with pagent
[14:12] <rubbs> do you know how to do that?
[14:12] <rubbs> I could help you out with that if you don't
[14:13] <Viper550> dunno
[14:13] <rubbs> k... do you have putty installed?
[14:14] <rubbs> if not go here: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html and download the link under "A Windows installer for everything except PuTTYtel"
[14:15] <Viper550> done
[14:15] <rubbs> once you have the putty suite installed, you need to generate some ssh keys.
[14:16] <Viper550> puttygen?
[14:16] <rubbs> yep
[14:17] <rubbs> https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair?action=show&redirect=CreatingAnSSHKeyPair
[14:20] <rubbs> let me know when you are ready for more info.  I'll brb.
[14:21] <Viper550> done
[14:23] <Viper550> rubbs: done the pagent part
[14:35] <rubbs> Viper550: sorry about being away for so long.
[14:36] <rubbs> so if you've added your keys to pagent and added the key to launchpad you should be able to just push to the location. like this: bzr push lp:~viper550/bbesque/branch-name
[14:37] <Viper550> can it be done through a GUI?
[14:37] <rubbs> yes
[14:37] <Viper550> okay...how? I got Bazaar Explorer open with my local branch
[14:37] <rubbs> I'm looking up exatly how to do it... shouldn't take me more than a sec
[14:39] <rubbs> Viper550: when you push, you should be able to just put "lp:~viper550/bbesque/branch-name" into the "location" text field
[14:40] <Viper550> bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of bzr push lp:~viper550/bbesque/platypus does not exist.
[14:41] <Viper550> wait whoops
[14:41] <Viper550> "You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID"
[14:41] <rubbs> Oh, k... sorry forgot that step myself. just a sec I'll find out where yo uset that
[14:43] <rubbs> under settings -> credentials
[14:43] <rubbs> you need to have an entry like this:
[14:43] <rubbs> [Launchpad]
[14:43] <rubbs> host = .launchpad.net
[14:43] <rubbs> scheme = ssh
[14:43] <rubbs> user = patrick-regan
[14:44] <rubbs> er... sorry others out there, forgot to pastebin
[14:45] <jelmer_> rubbs: Running "bzr lp-login patrick-regan" should create that for you
[14:46] <rubbs> jelmer_ I know, but he was asking on how to do this with bzr explorer
[14:51] <LeoNerd> Is it possible to define an alias command including a shell fragment? e.g. I'd love to define   bzr diffstat =>  bzr diff | diffstat
[14:55] <Viper550> yay got it
[14:57] <rubbs> Viper550: cool glad you got it working. it should be easier from now on
[14:57] <rubbs> come back if you have any other questions.
[14:58] <Viper550> thanks :)
[15:00] <rubbs> np
[15:03] <rubbs> LeoNerd: I don't think that's possible
[15:03] <rubbs> LeoNerd: you could alias that at the shell level though
[15:06] <LeoNerd> Yeah, I know... but doing it in bzr itself would be cute :)
[15:07] <rubbs> LeoNerd: agreed. I pretty sure it's not possible (at this point) though.
[15:08] <LeoNerd> Ahwell.. no great problem..
[15:29] <LaserJock> quick question: how do I set my commit email address on a directory basis?
[15:30] <LaserJock> can I do it from the command line or do I have to mess with ~/.bazaar/locations.conf
[15:35] <rubbs> LaserJock: use the --branch option on the whoami command
[15:35] <rubbs> see "bzr help whoami" for more info
[15:49] <LaserJock> rubbs: ah, I thought I could just be in the dir and run bzr whoami
[15:49] <LaserJock> rubbs: switching to an actual branch in the dir and using --branch solved the mystery :-)
[15:49] <rubbs> LaserJock: good to hear that helped.
[15:50] <rubbs> the problem with whoami working on the dir level only is that you have to go out of a branch then to set it globally.
[15:50] <rubbs> that and most people use the global email for most/all of their projects.
[15:50] <rubbs> but I can see where you came up with that...
[15:51] <rubbs> I'll see about the documentation... Maybe somethign needs to be clarified.
[15:54] <LaserJock> rubbs: I guess I was going by "if there was a branch right here what would it use?"
[15:57] <rubbs> LaserJock:
[15:58] <rubbs> er... LaserJock: I see. I'll look into that
[17:26] <LaserJock> does olive-gtk visualize the relationship between branches in a repo?
[17:28] <rubbs> LaserJock: not as well as qlog or explorer (which uses qlog).
[17:28] <rubbs> LaserJock: qlog is part of the qbzr plugin
[17:38] <LaserJock> oh dang it, how do I make a file I just did a bzr add to untracked again? I haven't committed yet
[17:39] <jpds> LaserJock: bzr remove --keep $file
[19:03] <beuno> I forgot how much I liked bzrlib
[19:03] <beuno> 90% of the time it's already solved a problem I'm trying to solve
[19:18] <lifeless> \o/
[19:18] <lifeless> merry christmas beuno
[19:18] <beuno> hey lifeless
[19:18] <beuno> merry christmas to you
[19:19] <beuno> even more so considering you're in the future
[19:19] <lifeless> -> plane to catch  :) ciao
[19:20] <beuno> lifeless, have a great flight
[19:20] <mneptok> Manny Krramer!
[19:48] <jwhitley> is there an equivalent of git-filter-branch for bzr?  I can fast-export/fast-import, of course, but it'd be nice to stay in bzr if possible.
[19:49] <jwhitley> use case: I have a repo which I've tried to deliberately keep fairly small.  I now realize that some time ago I inadvertently committed some directories with contents much larger than I'd like.
[19:49] <rubbs> jwhitley: so really you just want to strip out some stuff from your history?
[19:49] <jwhitley> It happens to be practical to rewrite the repo history (it's a personal and private repo, so far), FWIW.
[19:49] <jwhitley> rubbs: yes, precisely.
[19:50] <rubbs> just a sec... someone yesterday was asking the same thing. I'll look through my logs and see what the best answers where
[19:50] <jwhitley> lovely, thanks.
[19:53] <rubbs> jwhitley: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/12/21/%23bzr.html check the post from 20:40 (time) on. I think that may be what you're looking for
[19:55] <jwhitley> rubbs: outstanding, just what I needed.  thanks!
[19:56] <rubbs> np
[22:35] <chromakode> hey bzr folks, are "oh no my repo is broken" inquiries acceptable here?
[22:35] <chromakode> I am a bzr noob who upgraded a lp: branch, and managed to break it somehow.
[22:36] <chromakode> le google is not currently turning up useful advice.
[22:37] <chromakode> ah, you know what? I think I followed some bad bug report advice and changed a stacking branch to a non-stacking format
[22:39] <gutworth> how is it broken?
[22:39] <maxb> chromakode: If you explain more about what exactly you did and what's broken, someone here can probably help
[22:39] <chromakode> thanks. didn't want to bug you if this was an inappropriate channel
[22:39] <chromakode> any operation [upgrade,check] fails with "RepositoryFormatKnitPack4 ... is not a stackable format."
[22:40] <chromakode> trying `push --overwrite` yields "(Bazaar pack repository format 1 with rich root (needs bzr 1.0)) is not a stackable format"
[22:40] <gutworth> what's bzr info?
[22:41] <maxb> stacking was added in 1.6, aka KnitPack5
[22:41] <chromakode> I believe my original sin was running `bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack lp:myrepo`
[22:41] <chromakode> (lp:myrepo was 2a, I believe)
[22:41] <chromakode> gutworth, bzr info returns the same "(Bazaar pack repository format 1 with rich root (needs bzr 1.0)) is not a stackable format"
[22:41] <maxb> and stacked?
[22:41] <chromakode> maxb, yes.
[22:42] <maxb> is this a public branch?
[22:42] <chromakode> public how so?
[22:42] <chromakode> it's on launchpad: lp:~chromakode/drizzle-interface/dbapi
[22:42] <chromakode> so, my local branch was in a repo
[22:42] <vadi21> I remember there being a "bzr release" command... but apparently I'm mistaken. What is the proper command name?
[22:43] <chromakode> and I think what happened was that I needed to upgrade my repo. however, I googled and saw the `bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack lp:myrepo` command, which probably borked my remote format
[22:44] <maxb> chromakode: Launchpad has a rather peculiar way of storing branches - it has a public and a writable copy. So it might be simplest for you to simply branch the public copy, which is still intact
[22:45] <maxb> If you try accessing it over http, you'll end up at the public copy, since http branch access is unauthenticated
[22:45] <vadi21> got it, bzr export
[22:52] <chromakode> maxb, I think my local branch is in order, but it seems like any operations on the lp branch will break. should I just throw out the lp branch using the web interface, and remake it?
[22:53] <maxb> chromakode: Either that, which will wipe metadata such as bug<->branch links, or subscriptions, or, you could delete just the branch files using an sftp client, and re-push
[22:54] <chromakode> maxb, sounds good. so, just for the learning experience, my fault was downgrading the repo to a non-stacking format?
[22:54] <maxb> Sounds like that
[22:54] <maxb> Though one could say it's bzr's fault for not shrieking loudly and refusing
[22:55] <chromakode> I might claim that if I wasn't a nice user ;)
[23:05] <igc1> morning
[23:31] <AfC> Does bzr-git do git SSH URLs?
[23:31] <AfC> I tried the URL I was given [<EMAIL_ADDRESS>] and Bazaar gave me a helpful error message about how I had to use bzr+ssh:// as the protocol
[23:32] <AfC> So then I tried git+ssh and it didn't work.
[23:32] <AfC> So presumably my answer is "no" but perhaps I'm missing something?
[23:35] <RAOF> AfC: It does, yes.
[23:35] <RAOF> I forget quite how I managed to make it happen, though.
[23:36] <poolie> hi all
[23:36] <RAOF> AfC: I'd guess you'd be after a URI of the form<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:37] <AfC> RAOF: Hm. I thought I'd tried that.
[23:37] <poolie> afc: looking at the code, git+ssh should work
[23:39] <AfC> poolie: ok, thanks!
[23:39]  * AfC tries again
[23:41] <AfC> Ok, so I have no idea what happened there. I did
[23:41] <AfC> $ bzr branch<EMAIL_ADDRESS>master
[23:41] <AfC> and it worked
[23:42] <AfC> so... well, er
[23:42] <AfC> thanks?
[23:42] <AfC> :)
[23:42] <AfC> [I had previously tried with the gtk+ URL and it crashed]
[23:42] <AfC> [though I also tried a git:// URL and that crashed too]
[23:43] <AfC> [so I'm guessing someone fixed something and did a release and got it into the PPA? Either way, thanks!]
[23:52] <RAOF> Now all bzr-git needs is a way to specify non-master branches!


[01:40] <Byan> KM0201: ever get that girls sound fixed?
[02:16] <KM0201> Byan: actually, no.. she had done so much crap trying to fix it, couldn't remember 90% of what was "undone" w/ various help in the channel, i talked her through clean installing
[02:16] <KM0201> (sommeone else had installed it for her, and she was lost)
[02:17] <KM0201> Byan: once she clean installed, it worked just fine (including on the live cd)
[02:20] <Byan> hm, ok
[02:20] <Byan> I just figured it out
[02:20] <Byan> fixed it using asoundconf
[02:20] <Byan> KM0201:
[02:21] <KM0201> hmm, well, to late for her (she had somme other issues as well that were resolved w/ a clean install )
[07:52] <apanda_> ahoi :) I have a centrino laptop and my bluetooth light wont go off, even tho lubuntu thinks it isnt running
[07:54] <apanda_> so im not sure if its just the led or if bt is still on
[08:51] <gonzoMD> hello, smbdy here?
[08:52] <gonzoMD> is it possible to install lubuntu to a thinkpad t21 via pendrive?
[08:53] <gonzoMD> it got it to boot via plop bootmanager coz the t21 doesn't support native usb boot
[08:53] <gonzoMD> but at the setup I got the message that the CD couldn't mounted
[08:54] <gonzoMD> made the boot device with unetbootin
[14:37] <amadeo> hey guys, I have a question about java and lubuntu
[14:38] <stlsaint> amadeo: ask and if someone knows it they will tell you
[14:38] <amadeo> I have the same machine running both windows XP and Lubuntu. when I run a java program i wrote in both it is significantly slower in Lubuntu
[14:38] <amadeo> any idea why this is, and how i can fix it?
[14:39] <stlsaint> amadeo: you wrote it?
[14:40] <amadeo> I'm running it on Lubuntu using a jar file
[14:40] <amadeo> yea
[14:40] <stlsaint> amadeo: well i would think that comes down to code optimization on your part (no offense)
[14:40] <amadeo> stlsaint, thats the thing, it runs very efficiently, on my development PC its quite quick and not a resource hog
[14:41] <amadeo> it's just taking forever to load the JVM
[14:41] <stlsaint> amadeo: what distro is your dev pc?
[14:41] <amadeo> Ubuntu 10.10
[14:41] <amadeo> it takes about 10 seconds to load a JFrame so it isn't a coding issue
[14:47] <stlsaint> amadeo: yes its pretty hard to debug some custom code like that
[14:47] <stlsaint> amadeo: i would just watch my processes at runtime of that script to see whats going on
[14:48] <amadeo> stlsaint, yea I think I'm going to see how long a quick hello world program takes to run, that should tell me if its the JVM or not
[14:49] <stlsaint> sure
[21:35] <MrNthDegree> Hey guys, anyone know if Lubuntu works with homedir encryption out of the box?
[22:20] <Guest32507> has anyone gotten the d-link bluetooth dongle to work on lubuntu? any help would be much appreciated
[22:20] <Guest32507> thanks
[22:22] <KM0201> never tried.
[22:22] <KM0201> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[22:22] <KM0201> Guest32507: does that help any... have you reviewed/saw that?
[22:23] <Guest32507> yeah i've tried installing bluez already
[22:23] <Guest32507> for some reason gnome-bluetooth doesn't pick up any adapters
[22:24] <Guest32507> and the bluetooth-applet does not show up as an icon on the tray
[22:28] <KM0201> hmm
[22:28] <KM0201> yeah, i don't have much experience there to offer much help
[22:31] <Guest32507> are you able to launch bluetooth-applet?
[22:32] <KM0201> Guest32507: i don't even have bluetooth stuff installed
[22:32] <KM0201> have no need for it
[22:32] <Guest32507> ohhh i see
[22:32] <Guest32507> thanks anyway =)


[21:49] <mup> Bug #1857206 opened: Links don't work on snap <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1857206>


[00:11] <wrst> web Omnifrog
[00:11] <wrst> web
[00:11] <wrst> arrr silly phone
[00:11] <wrst> wb
[00:11] <wrst> there
[00:22] <cyberanger> Omnifrog: still at that confrence I presume, going well?
[00:52] <Omnifrog> yes, and we are all drunk
[00:53] <Omnifrog> and ordering pizza
[00:53] <Omnifrog> for 60 people
[02:57] <Juzzy> anyone know any cisco/juniper Sr network engineers looking for a job?
[12:31] <cyberanger> Juzzy: end of the month I'll be CCNA certified, that'd make me a junior, know a few others too, got a link I could pass around
[12:31] <cyberanger> ?
[19:27] <wrst> TheMaster: so much more intimidating... snake slayer
[19:28] <TheMaster> Doctor Who comes out today. :D
[19:46] <wrst> lots of rain coming out here today
[23:42] <chris4585> TheMaster, new episode?