[00:02] <Your_Dog> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mozilla-patches-firefox-thunderbird-against-zero-day-exploited-in-attacks/
[00:02] <Your_Dog> https://snapcraft.io/thunderbird
[00:02] <Your_Dog> is anyone at canonical ever gonna update thunderbird for snaps?
[00:04] <oerheks> beta and candidate have the patch
[00:04] <oerheks> just wait for it.
[00:04] <Your_Dog> okies
[00:05] <oerheks> i think it is just about OpenSSL 1.1.1 EOL
[00:05] <oerheks> so, you can check or patch yourself
[00:06] <oerheks> 3.1 is fine
[00:06] <oerheks> o r3,0 LTS
[00:24] <Your_Dog> nah the issue is more on the webp library and how its possible to abuse it to RCE
[00:25] <Your_Dog> but i forgot snap has channels so i just jump to candidate
[00:34] <JanC> that's a nasty one
[00:37] <oerheks> if a test is successfull ..
[00:37] <oerheks> i hope for a report
[00:37] <JanC> but wouldn't be so much of an issue when the webp library wouldn't be inside a snap (or flatpak, or similar)...   :P
[00:45] <oerheks> google just announced a bug in webP
[00:45] <oerheks> lolz
[00:45] <oerheks> update is available
[00:45] <oerheks> 4 hrs ago
[00:45] <oerheks> JanC, **
[03:55] <kbdlnx> What bug?
[08:19] <pagios> i have a ps1 file in linux /var/www/html that has a line that reads this (New-Object System.Net.WebClient).DownloadString('http://<IP_ADDRESS>:80/hello.ps1')   i would like to read the ip from an env variable in linux how can i do that ?
[08:24] <weedmic> I am unfamiliar with a "ps1 file", but hopefully someone else knows.  be patient.
[08:47] <belst> can't you just use $env:VARNAME like in any powershell script?
[09:17] <Guest56> hi
[09:17] <Guest56> Is it possible to get support here ? I have this question https://askubuntu.com/questions/1485645/wifi-is-not-showing-up
[09:26] <Lvl4Sword> My rep isn't high enough to comment, but I'd have asked them what "lspci -v" gives for their network card, since they don't provide enough information. But they left..
[09:27] <John_D> bummer
[10:27] <Guest69> hi, when i install ubuntu 22.04.3 in "Installation type" I choose "Erase disk and install ubuntu". There is "advanced options", in that section what does they mean "LVM" and "ZFS" and at the bottom there is an option to encrypt ubuntu installation with a security key. Should I choose one of these other options? I don't know if it's better to choose
[10:27] <Guest69> some over others
[10:27] <Guest69> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q_a0HVant6eaJmJS4E8FWdMHUs0x8wgr/view?usp=sharing
[10:29] <weedmic> lvm - is a way to setup a large volume media with physical and ?ethereal? volumes.  ZFS is just a different file system.  You should pick swap for swap and ext4 for the others (if you are daring btrfs).
[10:30] <weedmic> since you asked, you should not do lvm - imho (b/c u did not know even what it was)
[10:33] <Guest69> So should I leave the default option "none"?
[10:35] <weedmic> what was wrong with auto and erase disc?
[10:36] <Guest69> i just asked if there is an option better than others
[10:43] <Guest69> weedmic i don't know which option is better to be choosen
[10:45] <weedmic> if you don't need anyting on the disc, for you - pick the automatic with erase disc.
[10:46] <John_D> oh boy..
[10:46] <weedmic> if you want to do it manually, you can ask for suggestions, and then be here all day :D
[10:46] <John_D> just use the default and erase the disk
[10:46] <John_D> lol
[10:49] <Guest69> i just asked if it's better with a specific option for example about compatibility issues with files, devices and so on
[10:50] <Guest69> John_D i remember in past some files didn't open, I don't know if it depended on one of these options
[10:51] <weedmic> Ik heb mijn aanbeveling al gegeven
[10:51] <weedmic> oops, we gave u the same recommendation - <(")
[10:52] <John_D> Guest69 default option is the safest bet
[10:57] <John_D> what to expect from the next LTS release...
[10:58] <Guest69> John_D ok and could it be useful the option to encrypt?
[10:58] <Guest69> weedmic there is also an option to encrypt, i don't know if it could be useful
[10:59] <John_D> Guest69 it could be useful if you have sensitive information on your laptop and it gets stolen. for average user it's unneccesary
[11:03] <Lvl4Sword> I see Firefox was updated but Thunderbird doesn't have an update to 102.15.1. Is there a rough timeline for this release, as it fixes a zero-day?
[11:04] <John_D> thunderbird nowadays is a community project and has different update schedule
[11:08] <Lvl4Sword> John_D, Huh? Thunderbird's already updated. It's the Ubuntu package that isn't updated.
[11:09] <John_D> give it some time
[11:11] <weedmic> u may want to see if you have thunderbird or snap thunderbird - before you spend any time on it "snap list"
[11:26] <JanC> weedmic: ZFS is *also* a volume manager (similar to LVM), not just a file system
[11:27] <weedmic> tks
[11:33] <effendy> Hello. I'm unable to figure out how to make grub display the menu before booting.
[11:33] <effendy> I've changed /etc/default/grub as follows.
[11:33] <effendy> GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
[11:33] <effendy> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu
[11:34] <weedmic> are those seconds or milliseconds?
[11:34] <John_D> sudo update grub
[11:34] <John_D> then reboot
[11:34] <effendy> I have then run "update-grub". After rebooting the machine, there's nothing displaying.
[11:34] <John_D> hm weird
[11:34] <effendy> It seems there's a timeout during a blank screen of some sorts and then I'm seeing things initialising.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> John_D: update-grub is only to rescan/appl newly edited settings a user did on grub changes
[11:35] <effendy> Yes, he was right to say that.
[11:35] <effendy> In this context.
[11:36] <effendy> Actually the command is mentioned in a comment inside /etc/default/grub.
[11:37] <effendy> Anyway, the virtual machine doesn't seem to wait more than 1-2 seconds, let alone 5.
[11:37] <effendy> This is Ubuntu 22.04.3 installed from a cloud image running on vsphere.
[11:39] <John_D> oh, that complicates things
[11:39] <John_D> I thought it was on hardware
[11:39] <effendy> In what way does it make things complicated?
[11:41] <John_D> not sure how VMs handle grub
[11:43] <effendy> Well, not knowing it doesn't make it's more complicated, but eh. It's irrelevant after all :)
[11:43] <John_D> yeah, screw it : )
[11:46] <effendy> The problem is not irrelevant for me. I was just talking about vm/hardware.
[11:52] <effendy> the 5 seconds timeout actually seems to be working. It's just that everything is blank unfortunately.
[11:53] <effendy> Maybe this is related to the console/tty.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> effendy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[11:55] <effendy> The shift thing doesn't work or works extremely rarely. I'm not sure if this is an issue with vsphere. And that's exactly the reason why I'm trying to change the default settings for grub, so that I avoid getting into this problem when I need to recover the system or change any settings directly in grub.
[11:58] <effendy> Ok, I've got it. There was another file (classical issue) under /etc/default/grub.d that would override the grub timeout.
[11:58] <effendy> \/etc/default/grub.d/50-cloudimg-settings.cfg
[12:14] <D_A_N> Do the open source AMD drivers that come pre-installed on ubuntu support ROCm?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:17] <pagios> question, on maccomand prompt, how can i go back to the first character of a given loooong command instead of goingg with the back key indefintelty
[12:18] <leftyfb> pagios: "maccomand prompt"?
[12:18] <pagios> no konsole
[12:18] <pagios> i pressed the uparrow and wanna go back now ...
[12:19] <leftyfb> pagios: press your home key
[12:20] <pagios> thanks!
[12:20] <pagios> and to go to the end ?
[12:20] <pagios> pageup
[12:20] <pagios> thanks!
[12:22] <fichero> hi I'm using ubuntu latest ver and
[12:22] <fichero> I have a 1080 i want max performance
[12:22] <fichero> should I use open source driver or propietario
[12:25] <fichero> and if using propietario, should i use one the driver meta package or the server driver meta
[12:25] <coconut> fichero, only the non open source works well with high fps, last time i checked at least
[12:26] <fichero> should i download it from nvidia.com or
[12:26] <coconut> fichero, no just from the repo
[12:26] <fichero> is it also open source and early beta
[12:26] <fichero> or runs great?
[12:30] <coconut> i do not know if there are beta's in the repo fichero
[12:32] <coconut> but you can go here and just install it https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04/ubuntu-nvidia-drivers_huef7b9865e100db748990ddc3c04b6cc8_80557_768x0_resize_q75_lanczos.jpg
[12:33] <coconut> and take the above option for driver install, the other is the open source one
[12:37] <John_D> hm. interesting
[12:37] <pickanick> Hello is http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu  still legitimate? "The repository 'http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease' is no longer signed.'
[12:38] <pickanick> Failed to fetch http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease  403  Forbidden [IP: 2403:2c80:5::6 80]    Failed to fetch http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy-updates/InRelease  403  Forbidden [IP: 2403:2c80:5::6 80]
[12:39] <pickanick> The repository 'http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates InRelease' is no longer signed.    .... The repository 'http://hk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-backports InRelease' is no longer signed.
[12:40] <ravage> pickanick: try #ubuntu-mirrors
[12:40] <ravage> but i would choose another one for now
[12:41] <ravage> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:48] <fichero> coconut: i notice the top line is the latest ver, mine has multiple vers options even for server
[12:50] <coconut> fichero, do not know that fichero, i have not used ubuntu for some time now
[12:50] <ogra> well, you dont want the server drivers on a desktop ... they are rather optimized for things like CUDA or coin mining etc
[12:51] <ravage> fichero: you choose the recommended one
[12:51] <ravage> from the "additional drivers" application
[12:51] <leftyfb> fichero: open the "Additional drivers" app and click on the option that says recommended
[12:52] <fichero> yes it was the first line and after a couple minutes it told me is the recomended
[13:02] <Apachez> any systemd gurus around?   whats the difference between   frr.service  and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  does that @ have some special meaning in systemd-world?
[13:04] <effendy> Apachez: This might help: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/systemd
[13:05] <effendy> Look at the second note "Some unit names contain an @..."
[13:23] <fichero> what happened when password and key app crashes?
[13:23] <fichero> i mean why would it crash
[13:25] <John_D> you might never know. just reboot
[13:25] <fichero> my cpu-nb was at 2200
[13:25] <fichero> default is 2000 i think
[13:25] <fichero> on a phenom ii
[13:25] <fichero> the voltage is the same as my cpu 1.475
[13:26] <fichero> I should put it at 1.4 since is default now but it may break, last time it was at 1.4v it passed prime95 but then on grid racer it showed a white screen that faded quickly for 3 seconds
[13:27] <fichero> I can never overclock greatly, lots of issues hapened with my 2500 xp too
[13:33] <ravage> fichero: overclocking is off topic here. try #hardware
[13:45] <centHOGG> https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/athlon-xp-2500.c91
[14:15] <Apachez> effendy: tnx, I also found 2 names \2xd in the name like so:  /usr/lib/systemd/system/system-systemd\x2dcryptsetup.slice    and    /sys/fs/cgroup/system.slice/system-serial\x2dgetty.slice    which looks odd to me
[14:22] <pickanick> Will it work to have, in /etc/apt/sources.list , two entries of each type? will apt use the first one that works or will it downlead from each entry?  are there any problems with having multiple entries?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> pickanick: you want to add multiple ppa's for the same package or different packages?
[14:35] <Eickmeyer> enyc: I'm going to answer the question you've been cross-posting ALL OVER THE PLACE (against guidelines/rules). Kubuntu. Really any flavor with KDE's Plasma Desktop such as Kubuntu or Ubuntu Studio can accomplish what you're trying to do and has the theming probably for it, but you're not going to be walked through it or handheld.
[14:35] <Eickmeyer> !guidelines | enyc
[14:42] <zetheroo2> How do I find out when (date) a system was updated from one version of Ubuntu Desktop to another?
[14:44] <ioria> zetheroo2, iirc, /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[14:48] <ioria> zetheroo2, but , if you still have it, you can do : ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.distUpgrade
[14:49] <zetheroo2> OK!
[14:49] <enyc> Eickmeyer: I don't think thats fair, I've had power failure and lost history, probably asked cinnamon or deskop and realized may be in wrong place  discovered flavors  another day reconnecting everything,  first person to give me a hint, at all.  -packaging is a completely different point following suggestion from ubuntu+1/next and deriv-distro too  upstream point...   I'm used to helping-out or indeed
[14:49] <enyc> asking in debian- subchannels and -x -arm -admin -security  and so-on that have been well-received ,  when I've askde for a hint or pointer tend to find it after a while.
[14:49] <enyc> no need to get all capital-lettery
[14:50] <enyc> Eickmeyer: AHA Plasma which *looks* like there also in 22.04LTS similarly  aah!  Good point Thankyou will get that on test too.
[14:51] <fichero> is there a tool in ubuntu i could use to check which apps crashed besides the log at var? or is that one of the best ways to check
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> enyc: We have a guideline against re-posting. If you repeat, it's very likely nobody is going to respond and you repeated in there three times. Hence me getting annoyed and capital-lettery.
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> enyc: Either way, arguments are also off-topic.
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> fichero: if an app crashes ubuntu should give you a warning about, and present you to file a possible bug
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> fichero: /var/crash dir is also handy to see wich apps crashed (before)
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> fichero: alternate you can also keep a journalctl - f open from a terminal and see everything happening in realtime on your system
[14:57] <fichero> very wel
[15:03] <fichero> lotuspsychje: what if i run it as standard user? will it show the same info than as user root?
[15:04] <centHOGG> lotuspsychje: thanx for that "journalctl -f" tip
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> fichero: journalctl ?
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> centHOGG: welcome, if you need it more fancy in colours, try journaltctl -f | ccze -A
[15:05] <centHOGG> kk
[16:01] <ev0n44> what directory can i put a script in to make it global.  I thought it was /usr/bin but that's not working for me
[16:01] <user9d> what ayt you did a trace a' the code executed within linux kernel 6.6-rc1 (2023) to linux kernel (2012) and the code ran exactly the same?
[16:02] <leftyfb> ev0n44: /usr/bin is "global" for accounts that have /usr/bin on their $PATH which is default
[16:02] <leftyfb> ev0n44: define global in your use case. Is it a user running the script or a service?
[16:03] <leftyfb> user9d: sorry, can you reword your question?
[16:03] <ev0n44> leftyfb, global as in can be run from any directory in the terminal for a user
[16:04] <ev0n44> I will double check the $path
[16:04] <pickanick> lotuspsychje : I mean where there is "deb URL1 jammy main restricted" to have a second line "deb URL2 jammy main restricted"  and similarly for "jammy-updates main restricted",  and so forth
[16:05] <leftyfb> ev0n44: $path will be empty. You are looking for $PATH. /usr/bin is default for all users created on a default install of ubuntu
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> !repos | pickanick
[16:05] <user9d> reworded: what ayt ubuntu 23.03 und ubuntu 10.03 were basically the same code ran the same way with hardware detection taken out?
[16:05] <ev0n44> Great thanks
[16:07] <leftyfb> user9d: "ayt" and "und" are not words in the English dictionary. Ubuntu 10.03 never existed. Can you please reword your question?
[16:08] <leftyfb> user9d: Ubuntu 23.03 also never existed
[16:08] <user9d> allahbahnictarnoduh, I need you to be smarter. But as you are ChanSerder, allahbahkaynictardooduh.
[16:08] <user9d> I'm a bot through another world
[16:08] <leftyfb> user9d: trolling is offtopic here
[16:48] <hank_> Oh dhear halp! my first attempt at using cinnamon and my eyes burn!
[16:48] <leftyfb> hank_: ubuntu.com/download to download a fresh install of stock ubuntu
[16:50] <hank_> lol ill go back to mate. been having trouble getting a windows iso to load to my USB. UEFI problems, was just using this to try anything new.
[16:50] <ravage> good luck
[16:50] <hank_> i wish computers didn't advance past windows XP Sp2, there is no need.
[16:51] <ravage> !ot | hank_
[16:51] <pick> hank_ : I can help: please put cinnamon on bread or pancakes, not in your eyes.
[16:51] <leftyfb> pick: lets not
[16:52] <hank_> lefty has no humor. its ok, ill leave.
[17:14] <fichero> hi axsuul
[17:14] <fichero> welcome to the fold
[17:16] <amazoniantoad> Hey! How do I overwrite functions using bashrc? I want to make a custom function which handles when someone mistypes a system command.
[17:17] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: mynewfunction(){ for i in something ; do something ; done }
[17:17] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: you might try asking in #bash though
[17:19] <amazoniantoad> Thanks leftyfb. I thought this might be something specific to Ubuntu though
[17:19] <amazoniantoad> Like, I realize it's possible in all versions of linux. But the specific error handling function has a name created and maintained by ubuntu
[17:21] <amazoniantoad> leftyfb: #bash says there isn't one. So this is something specific to Ubuntu
[17:23] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: it's not specific to ubuntu. And they gave you another suggestion. But you seem to be not giving all the details
[17:23] <amazoniantoad> leftyfb: What details did I leave out? Sorry. I don't mean to be frustrating.
[17:23] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: what are you trying to accomplish exactly?
[17:25] <amazoniantoad> leftyfb: I wanna make my system delete itself if someone mistypes a system command. I'm setting up my environment for CTF with my friends.
[17:25] <amazoniantoad> In case they break in lol
[17:25] <leftyfb> :/
[17:25] <amazoniantoad> It's an ubuntu domU, not really any danger to my computer
[17:25] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: good luck with that
[17:26] <amazoniantoad> thanks!
[17:51] <mesa_no_exdis> hi. i ran an internet speed test on my ubuntu and on my mac, one after the other, both on the same network, neither having a vpn on. ubuntu's avergae 35 mbps, while the mac averages 588 mbps. why on earth is my ubuntu's wifi comparatively so slow?
[17:51] <leftyfb> drivers and potentially the chipset. It's different hardware
[17:51] <mesa_no_exdis> ubuntu averages*
[17:52] <mesa_no_exdis> leftyfb, is there anything i can do about this??
[17:53] <mesa_no_exdis> i'm using a thinkpad x1 carbon, gen 9
[17:53] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: try sudo iwconfig $(ls /sys/class/net/wl*) power off
[17:53] <leftyfb> see if that makes a difference
[17:54] <mesa_no_exdis> leftyfb, iwconfig: unknown command "address"
[17:54] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: sudo apt instal wireless-tools
[17:55] <mesa_no_exdis> succeeded. still getting the error i wrote above
[17:55] <leftyfb> after turning off power save?
[17:56] <mesa_no_exdis> through the command you wrote?
[17:56] <mesa_no_exdis> or manually?
[17:56] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: sudo apt install wireless-tools && sudo iwconfig $(ls /sys/class/net/wl*) power off
[17:57] <mesa_no_exdis> wireless-tools is already the newest version (30~pre9-13.1ubuntu4).
[17:57] <mesa_no_exdis> iwconfig: unknown command "address"
[17:59] <leftyfb> ah riht
[17:59] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: try sudo iwconfig $(ls /sys/class/net/|grep ^wl) power off
[18:00] <mesa_no_exdis> seems to have taken. now what?
[18:00] <leftyfb> now run your speed test
[18:01] <mesa_no_exdis> 30 mbps
[18:02] <mesa_no_exdis> any other ideas?
[18:03] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: https://github.com/jeremyb31/wireless-info   run that and pastebin the output
[18:04] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: cd ; wget -N -t 5 -T 10 https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:05] <pragma-> one thing to consider: if you're on 5ghz on mac and 2.4ghz on ubuntu, then ubuntu will be slower since 5ghz has higher speeds, naturally.
[18:05] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: hold on, wrong command
[18:06] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: cd ; wget -N -t 5 -T 10 https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/raw/master/wireless-info && chmod +x wireless-info && ./wireless-info && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:06] <mesa_no_exdis> pragma-, for sure. but the ubuntu's on the same 5ghz network as the mac
[18:06] <pragma-> why type cd first?
[18:06] <pragma-> oh, to go into a writeable home directory
[18:07]  * pragma- gestures at cd /tmp
[18:10] <Jagaimo> can anyone help out a newb install something? I'm trying to get CHRIP to install on 22.04 but I cant get the .whl file to work
[18:11] <leftyfb> Jagaimo: I can't find "chrip" in the ubuntu apt repo's nor snap. You'll have to reach out to the program vendor for support
[18:13] <Jagaimo> would you happen to know how do download a .whl file? I'm using brave and the site dosen't download the install file it just opens up a window which looks like wingdings to me
[18:13] <mesa_no_exdis> leftyfb and pragma-, is there a section of the wireless info that you're looking for?
[18:13] <leftyfb> Jagaimo: try wget?
[18:14] <leftyfb> mesa_no_exdis: please paste the termbin.com URL here
[18:14] <pragma-> I don't know why anybody would continue using Brave after they got caught injecting nefarious things into websites.
[18:14] <Jagaimo> @pragma I didnt know that what browser would you recommend also do you have a source?
[18:15] <ravage> firefox works just fine
[18:15] <pragma-> Jagaimo: sure, there are dozens of sources if you google "brave injecting into websites". I use Firefox.
[18:15] <pragma-> If on Android, XBrowser is great.
[18:17] <Jagaimo> thanks!
[18:31] <pragma-> hmm, guess he was paranoid about us hacking his wifi :p
[18:42] <ev0n44> I have ubuntu server installed with just a terminal.  How do I get it to automatically start startx on startup?
[18:43] <ravage> ubuntu server does not come with any of that
[18:43] <ravage> if you dont install a desktop environment there is no command to run
[18:43] <ev0n44> ravage, I install xorg and openbox already.  Just need it to start on boot
[18:43] <leftyfb> ev0n44: why do you need a GUI on a server?
[18:44] <ev0n44> leftyfb, I chose ubuntu server because I am creating a single purpose system to log into VMs.  I was told ubuntu server would be a good place to start with just a terminal
[18:45] <ev0n44> I installed xorg and openbox so I could run virt-viewer on it
[18:45] <leftyfb> ev0n44: I would just install xubuntu
[18:46] <ev0n44> leftyfb,  don't want any other services or apps installed at all.  Just want a single purpose system
[18:47] <ev0n44> I have everything working. Just want openbox to launch on boot
[18:47] <leftyfb> ev0n44: https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/start-service-at-boot/
[18:47] <leftyfb> though you want the service to be added as a --user
[18:48] <ev0n44> leftyfb ah yes I should have known i would have to use systemd
[18:48] <ev0n44> Thanks
[19:02] <sylvain_> Hello, I'm installing ubuntu22.04 on a MSI Gt70 laptop. I got some trouble while installing. Now it's installed and I must add dis_ucode_ldr to the kernel for make it boot. Can I stay with that, what's the disadvantage of keeping that?
[19:06] <toddc> sylvain31: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1831789 but it looks like that is a recovery for a failed microcode update so??
[19:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1831789 in grub2 (Ubuntu Groovy) "Add 'dis_ucode_ldr' to linux boot options for Recovery Mode" [High, Fix Released]
[19:07] <ravage> i would check for a BIOS update first
[19:13] <sylvain31> toddc, ravage, OK Thanks. Let me read a bit more about that parameter. This is an old computer BIOS is from 2014, there's some upgrade possible on MSI website it seems. 🤷
[19:27] <topcat001> ev0n44: I took the following approach: https://ostechnix.com/ubuntu-automatic-login/ and then (optionally) added startx at the end of .profile.
[19:30] <leftyfb> ev0n44: I do not suggest using .profile to autostart applications on boot nor do I suggest making your machine automatically login
[19:31] <sylvain_> about: dis_ucode_ldr kernel parameter, The Intel Github issue, linked to the launchpad issue, seems to mention it could be related to the CPU. On this laptop lshw gives: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz the newer BIOS seems published by 2015, https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT70-2PC-Dominator/support
[19:31] <leftyfb> sylvain_: step #1 upgrade BIOS. Then continue troubleshooting if necessary
[19:53] <Apachez> any of you who happens to know that when using mksquashfs with "-wildcards -ef /path/exclude.list" if that exclude.list can contain comments # or is it strictly one file/dir per row to be removed ?
[20:18] <sylvain31> Apachez, man page says:        -ef EXCLUDE_FILE
[20:18] <sylvain31>            list of exclude dirs/files. One per line.
[20:18] <Apachez> yeah so no comments supported then?
[20:18] <sylvain31> I would say it wont accept comment.
[20:19] <sylvain31> but could be achived with bash stdin <() trick though
[20:25] <sylvain31> leftyfb, BIOS update seem did the trick dis_ucode_ldr remove from grub kernel parameter and the PC did boot.
[20:38] <ravage> \o/
[20:38] <sylvain31> Though, trying the USB key installer is still failing on non-safemode ending after timeout on "Failed to Start Ubuntu Live CD installer."
[20:40] <ravage> but you have it already installed?
[20:44] <sylvain31> ravage, Yes, the OS was installed by passing to safemode at the first time, right.
[20:45] <sylvain31> If I edit the grub kernel and add nomodeset on the USB key install, it boot to graphic chooser "Try Ubuntu" from the key.
[20:47] <toddc> sylvain31: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132   boot to grub hit shift add no modset option enter continue to install/test after install liook for addl drivers
[20:53] <sylvain31> toddc, petty old but still interesting thread. Now that I've some experience with reluctant hardware I would say this is a very good helper.
[20:56] <sylvain31> the nomodeset option and dis_ucode_ldr are now present in the safemode alternative in the USB key default choice. 👍
[21:02] <iconoclasthero> does the apt packaged in 22.04 support deb822-style sources?
[21:12] <Guest10> I am performing a backup of Ubuntu Linux and the backup has seemed to halted with the message of "Creating first backup. This may take a while." How do you backup Ubuntu Linux with results like these?
[21:15] <leftyfb> Guest10: I use rsync
[21:22] <pasjrwoctx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1485720/gphoto2-cant-see-usb-camera-after-recent-apt-update-apt-distro-upgrade
[21:26] <pasjrwoctx> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1485720/gphoto2-cant-see-usb-camera-after-recent-apt-update-apt-distro-upgrade
[23:13] <pasjrwoctx> udev update has broken ubuntu's ability to import photos in digikam, gphoto2 can no longer see usb camera, entangle can no longer see camera. any one know how to fix?
[23:14] <ravage> !bug | pasjrwoctx
[23:22] <lenswipe> Got a USB webcam here that suddenly (as-of yesterday morning) detected on my ubuntu system. I plug it in and don't even see it show up in dmesg. Yet it works perfectly on a windows 10 machine.
[23:22] <lenswipe> I've tried multiple USB ports (which all work with other devices in them by the way) and it's the same
[23:24] <gry> lenswipe: try another usb port on the same computer? a live linux cd on the other computer where you have windows 10?
[23:24] <lenswipe> gry, tried that already, this webcam is supported by linux because it worked like 2 days ago
[23:25] <gry> lenswipe: if it's working in a linux somewhere today, may make sense to get it identified. on the linux computer which identifies it ok, visit www.h-node.org click Search, scroll down, follow instructions in the last textbox
[23:27] <lenswipe> gry, i only have 1 linux machine and it's not working on that
[23:27] <gry> lenswipe: do you have a usb? can you do a live linux usb on the other machine?
[23:27] <lenswipe> the linux machine or the win10 machine?
[23:28] <gry> lenswipe: linux live usb on the windows 10 machine
[23:29] <lenswipe> I'm kind of debating a re-install at this point tbh because first my internal webcam stopped working (weird IPU6 nonsense form dell), then the external webcam I started using also stopped working
[23:29] <lenswipe> the former just shows a black picture, the latter is just not detected at all
[23:29] <gry> lenswipe: well, another option is to do a live linux usb on the linux machine.
[23:29] <lenswipe> both _USED_ to work and the former stopped working after a kernel update
[23:29] <gry> lenswipe: the idea is to try at different machines to understand whether it's the usb port that's faulty, or the software (i.e., the OS).
[23:29] <lenswipe> yeah, might try a live usb on the linux machine and see if that works
[23:29] <lenswipe> gotcha
[23:30] <gry> lenswipe: I wouldn't come to conclusions until and unless all of the testing is done
[23:30] <lenswipe> sure, but i think it's the OS because it works fine under windows
[23:30] <lenswipe> it also flapped up briefly yesterday and worked for half a day
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> lenswipe: Which version? yy.mm
[23:30] <Eickmeyer> !yy.mm
[23:31] <lenswipe> Eickmeyer, which kernel?
[23:31] <lenswipe> oh, which ubuntu version? 22.04
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Thought so.
[23:31] <lenswipe> oh?
[23:31] <lenswipe> Is/was that a problematic release?
[23:31] <Eickmeyer> Recent systemd update seems to be causing headaches with USB cameras/webcams.
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Not everyone or all are affected, but some.
[23:32] <lenswipe> oh, lovely. is there a patch in the pipeline? and/or do you have a bugzilla link to send to my boss?
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Someone was in here earlier, and the Ubuntu Studio twitter feed got someone asking.
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Sadly, no, just anecdotes so far.
[23:33] <lenswipe> hmm, that's a shame
[23:33] <lenswipe> at least I know I'm not going mad
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> I've got bug 2035406 so far.
[23:33] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2035406 in systemd (Ubuntu) "udev update has broken ubuntu's ability to import photos in digikam, gphoto2 can no longer see usb camera, entangle can no longer see camera" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2035406
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> udev is a component of systemd.
[23:34] <lenswipe> since you're here - another PITA is that my employer recently switched to SSO/SAML auth for VPN. This meant I had to abandon networkmanager-openconnect and use the official cisco client instead which is....****ing garbage. It flaps up and down and makes zoom calls basically impossible while on the VPN. Supposedly there is/was a fix in the works but idk if/when that is (or has) made it to Ubuntu.
[23:34] <lenswipe> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2035411
[23:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.redhat.com bug 2035411 in Fedora "NetworkManager-openconnect doesn't support SAML/SSO logins" [Unspecified, Closed: Errata]
[23:34] <lenswipe> Do you happen to know?
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> No clue on that.
[23:35] <lenswipe> ok no worries
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> The systemd/udev issue just happens to be on my radar, but beyond my scope.
[23:35] <lenswipe> yeah
[23:35] <lenswipe> do you know where I could go to find out more about the AnyConnect thing?
[23:37] <lenswipe> sidenote: why is it that Enterprise  software (with the capital E like ORACLE, Cisco etc.)  is a GIGANTIC pain in the arse to work with
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> Wouldn't know. The only enterprise software I really work with is Ubuntu. :joy:
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> 😂
[23:37] <Eickmeyer> As far as AnyConnect, I don't really work with it.
[23:38] <lenswipe> lucky you
[23:39] <lenswipe> i used to be able to use the openconnect plugin for network manager, but that seemingly doesn't work with SSO based VPNs
[23:40] <Eickmeyer> Oof. It works very well with my TPLink router.
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> lenswipe: If you haven't already, please go to bug 2035406 and click the yellow button next to "Does this bug affect you?".
[23:43] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2035406 in systemd (Ubuntu Jammy) "udev update has broken ubuntu's ability to import photos in digikam, gphoto2 can no longer see usb camera, entangle can no longer see camera" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2035406
[23:44] <Eickmeyer> I've already marked it as "Confirmed" but I'm bugging the person who did the last upload.
[23:45] <lenswipe> Eickmeyer, i'm sure....but I doubt your TPLink router is doing SAML/SSO based VPN ;)
[23:46] <lenswipe> it works great with my Ubquiti APs and EdgeRouter too
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> lenswipe: Ha! No, it's not.
[23:46] <lenswipe> also, I shit on Cisco a lot but I have a 2960 downstairs running things and it's actually great
[23:46] <lenswipe> I also have a 3750 but I don't use it much because it sounds like a jet engine taking off
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> lenswipe: Careful with the language, and we're straying off-topic in this support chat. We do allow children in here.
[23:46] <lenswipe> fair
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> My son, for instance, contributes to Edubuntu.
[23:47] <lenswipe> oh wow is that still a thing?
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> More like, it's back after 9 years. My wife leads and I provide tech leadership.


[03:22] <robert_ancell> RAOF, if exiv2 is now in proposed (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/exiv2/0.24-2ubuntu1) and I upload new packages they'll build against that version right? I don't have to wait until it hits the release pocket
[03:29] <TheMuso> I think you do need to wait till they hit release.
[03:36] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, I tried building gexiv2 and the .deb it produces links against the new version so it seems to work
[03:41] <TheMuso> Ok.
[03:47] <ScottK> robert_ancell: That's correct. If you had to wait for it to get to -release then we'd never get a library transition done.
[03:47] <robert_ancell> ScottK, cool, thanks :)
[04:18] <michagogo> ScottK: hey, you're on SRU team, right?
[04:19] <ScottK> I am.  I'm also about to go to bed.
[04:19] <michagogo> ScottK: Ah. At some point, would you mind taking a loot at my message on the -devel list?
[04:19] <michagogo> look*
[04:19] <ScottK> Which one is that?
[04:19] <michagogo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-July/038389.html
[04:21] <ScottK> At some point.
[04:21] <michagogo> Fair enough.
[04:21] <michagogo> TIA.
[04:21] <michagogo> good night!
[05:34] <pitti> Good mornin
[05:35] <pitti> shadeslayer: what is that hook supposed to do? autopkgtest didn't even run yet in that log, and it cleans up its temp dirs afterwards?
[06:39] <dholbach> good morning
[06:40] <pitti> xnox: so I know why startpar never finishes the "start" part, it's waiting on pulseaudio; it's upstart job never starts (deliberately), but the init.d script wants to
[06:40] <pitti> xnox: when I remove those (update-rc.d pulseaudio disable), startpar start correctly finishes, but still hangs on boot
[06:41] <pitti> xnox: but remind me, why do we need to make startpar work at all? we are already using insserv now, so that ought to be enough?
[06:41] <pitti> xnox: I'm also getting a race condition on start that lots of stuff tries to start before the root partition is mounted r/w
[06:41] <pitti> xnox: i. e. we could certainly spend lots of time fixing all this, but that's not our ultimate goal anyway
[06:41] <pitti> hey dholbach, wie gehts?
[06:45] <pitti> xnox: i. e. we could probably merge to a recent sysvinit and still keep startpar disabled?
[06:52] <wgrant> dpm, pitti: What are the plans for translations for RTM? Wondering how much I need to make Translations (and langpacks etc.) work for the derived distro.
[06:53] <pitti> wgrant: I don't think we actually talked about that at all
[06:54] <pitti> wgrant: but good point, we probably won't be able to build proper langpacks for the derived distro if it doesn't have its own set of templates/exports
[06:54] <pitti> we could possibly just use the latest devel series ones, but that will get inaccurate if strings get dropped/changed
[06:55] <wgrant> Exactly my concerns.
[06:56] <pitti> so if we'll have significant delta in that distro (with string diversions), we probably need to treat it as a full release wrt. translations, too?
[06:56] <dpm> that's what I'm starting to realise too
[06:57] <wgrant> I think so. And I haven't yet checked how much the Ubuntu hardcodings in Rosetta will hurt.
[06:57] <dpm> wgrant, would message sharing work between the derived distro and Ubuntu?
[06:57] <wgrant> dpm: I don't think that would require too much work, but that would be the intent.
[06:58] <dpm> yeah, that'd make sense
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, for this time I think just remove the patch and add subversion as b-d is fine :(
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> I cannot build either
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> I have a problem injecting the LDFLAG for tweaking the build
[08:17] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: you think it won't cause any problems anywhere?
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> I think it won't cause any problem, but I'm not sure
[08:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> anyway I'm discussing with upstream https://github.com/luceneplusplus/LucenePlusPlus/pull/65#issuecomment-48018656
[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm rebuilding
[08:25] <LocutusOfBorg1> since upstream says tests are just useless and not even implemented (just one test) we can skip them!
[08:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'll rebuild with tests disabled and push on mentors if you agree
[09:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, please review my changes
[09:25] <Saviq> greyback, ricmm has a beer for you
[09:26] <greyback> Saviq: beer for breakfast, if you say so
[09:26] <Saviq> greyback, I'm just the messenger
[09:44] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: looking! Did you just add the subversion dependency or also some other changes?
[09:48] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: ah! I see the tests being disabled ;)
[09:51] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: ok, so it looks ok I guess, although won't this cause problems? I know that we basically don't have much other choices, but won't it get rejected because of disabled tests?
[09:51] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: I noticed that disabling tests is generally very aggressively frowned upon ;)
[09:54] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: anyway, if you as a DM accept this temporary state, then I'm +1 on it as well
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, https://github.com/luceneplusplus/LucenePlusPlus/pull/65#issuecomment-48018656
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> is upstream telling that tests are almost useless at this moment ;)
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> so when and if they will make a good testsuite, and fix their cmake files we can enable them
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> I don't see particular issues with this
[09:56] <sil2100> hah!
[09:56] <sil2100> ;)
[09:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> I see issues with lintian instead ;)
[09:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> seems that doc package is using embedded jquery
[09:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm rebuilding from a clean directory, maybe I just run dpkg-buildpackage prior to clean up the build-dir
[10:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> I tweaked dh_link to link jquery
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> and make doc depend on jquery package
[10:04] <cjwatson> Use dh_linktree instead
[10:04] <cjwatson> It's much better for this, sorts out the dependencies for you
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> syntax is the same?
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> I read it on debian-devel but slipped of my mind
[10:08] <cjwatson> Similar but not identical - see its man page
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> done
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> but I still need to override dh_install right?
[10:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> dh_install --fail-missing -Xjquery.js
[10:09] <cjwatson> No, you can run dh_linktree after dh_install and have it replace stuff with symlinks
[10:09] <cjwatson> Well, you'll need to override it for --fail-missing
[10:10] <LocutusOfBorg1> mmm ok
[10:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> does it automatically run after dh_install? I create a file package-doc.linktree
[10:12] <cjwatson> If you're using dh $@ --with linktree, then dh_linktree is sequenced to run after dh_link, which runs well after dh_install
[10:13] <LocutusOfBorg1> wow a new helper ;)
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> mmm strange, I need to build-depend from dh-linktree?
[10:17] <cjwatson> Yes
[10:20] <michagogo> cjwatson: I don't know if you saw it, but I posted to the mailing list as you suggested
[10:20] <michagogo> Thanks for your help!
[10:22] <cjwatson> Yup, thanks
[10:22] <xnox> slangasek: pitti: that has been in the back of my mind as well. Why can't we keep startpar disabled, given that we (a) have enabled update-rc.d (b) we have lsb initfunctions.d hook to keep everything sane
[10:26] <xnox> sarnold: so thunderbird decided to allow me encrypting emails to target email after (a) setting up security smime signing & encryption certificates on the "account" (b) repeating same on the "Manage identities" the default and the one person is going to use.
[10:26] <xnox> sarnold: none of which should be required to encrypt message to someone else....
[10:27] <xnox> (just)
[10:27] <xnox> sarnold: also it couldn't care less that FROM: identity email address did not match Subject / Alt Names on the certificate.....
[10:30] <bluesabre> Good day Sponsors!  Please let me know if anybody is available to upload this package to trusty-proposed
[10:30] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[10:31] <bluesabre> It's been in the sponsors queue for a while now, and we would like to deliver the fixed package in time for 14.04.1
[10:31] <bluesabre> It fixes some nasty bugs that completely break the program, and can corrupt user menus
[10:37] <cjwatson> xnox: It's arguably correct not to care, since anyone can put whatever they like in From: :-)
[10:38] <cjwatson> Well, maybe, not sure
[10:39] <xnox> cjwatson: it's also entertaining how the target person uses Exchange, which appends & mangles the messages, hence the smime signature does not validate =)
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg1> cjwatson, is it correct? seems to work, but I would like to have a feedback if possible
[10:40] <LocutusOfBorg1> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-sdl/packages/sdlgfx.git;a=commitdiff;h=568ac5acffec69eadb0c91bb745e01beddf7dee4
[10:40]  * xnox wonders if my Latvian National Identity smartcard certificates can be used for SMIME signing & encryption
[10:50] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: Looks OK, though I'd normally prefer "--with autoreconf,linktree"
[10:51] <pitti> xnox: right, and I believe latest sysvinit still works well with just plain insserv and without startpar
[10:52] <pitti> cjwatson: FYI, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-click/9 failed (you didn't get the mail because it was bot-uploaded)
[10:53] <pitti> mvo: unattended upgrades failed as well, argh PEP-8 :/
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks cjwatson there is always to learn ;) fixed!
[10:53] <mvo> pitti: *gih*
[10:53] <mvo> pitti: what the link again? do you have it at hand?
[10:54] <mvo> pitti: I broke it (click)
[10:54] <mvo> sorry
[10:54] <xnox> pitti: hm, wasn't that upload suppose to have "Sponsored for cjwatson" though?! ( i thought we had that enabled by didrocks before he handed ci-uploads over)
[10:54] <pitti> mvo: you mean https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-unattended-upgrades/18 ?
[10:54] <mvo> pitti: yes, thanks
[10:55] <pitti> xnox: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/click/0.4.29 -> (sponsored by Ubuntu Archive Robot)
[10:55] <mvo> cjwatson: I broke the click test, I will work on a fix while stearing the the citrain
[10:56] <xnox> pitti: aha. I looked at the release pocket source publish record. Right. so that bit is in place.
[10:57] <xnox> pitti: i guess with enough trickery jenkins could be sending the email to the right sponsored for people as well....
[10:57] <xnox> priority: for later
[10:58] <cjwatson> mvo: Thanks, I hadn't looked at the autopkgtest output yet
[10:58] <mvo> cjwatson: I use os.environ["USER"] which is not available in adt it seems
[10:58] <cjwatson> xnox: My name's there, it's just obscure.  See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+publishinghistory
[10:58] <pitti> mvo: actually, I thought I just fixed that a few days ago
[10:59] <mvo> pitti: oh?
[10:59] <mvo> pitti:     user = os.environ["USER"]
[10:59] <mvo> KeyError: 'USER'
[10:59] <cjwatson> OTOH, I didn't get the mail either
[10:59] <mvo> pitti: is what I see in the test
[10:59] <pitti> mvo: so if it's just that, let me roll out the latest autopkgtest to the machines and retry
[10:59] <diwic> it's probably a USER error
[10:59] <mvo> pitti: yeah, it is just that
[10:59] <diwic> (sorry, couldn't help myself)
[11:00] <mvo> diwic: lol
[11:01] <pitti> mvo: does it depend on $USER just for the tests, or for actual operation?
[11:03] <mvo> pitti: just for the tests iirc
[11:04] <pitti> mvo: hm, still failed
[11:04] <mvo> :/
[11:04] <pitti> mvo: are these tests running as root or user?
[11:05] <mvo> pitti: as root
[11:05] <mvo> pitti: I could hardcode "root" there I guess :)
[11:05] <pitti> oh, so $USER would be "root"?
[11:05] <pitti> mvo: right, I just recently fixed it for tests that run as user
[11:06] <mvo> pitti: aha, ok. so what should I do, just hardcode root here?
[11:06] <pitti> mvo: I'm knee-deep in debugging a Mir/libudev issue, would you mind filing an autopkgtest bug about that? I can look at that on Monday
[11:07] <mvo> pitti: no worries, I can also just fix it on my side, but I'm equally happy to file a bug. whatever is easier for you
[11:07] <pitti> mvo: or environ.get('USER', 'root') perhaps
[11:07] <mvo> (can do both of course)
[11:07] <mvo> pitti: yeah, good idea
[11:07] <pitti> mvo: yeah, but still appreciated, in case other tests need that as well
[11:07] <pitti> I never ran into this, and TBH $USER is a rather bad idea IMHO
[11:08] <mvo> pitti: fair enough
[11:08] <mvo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopkgtest/+bug/1337802
[11:08] <pitti> ohe of these things people should have avoided 30 years ago :)
[11:08] <pitti> mvo: thanks
[11:20] <mvo> pitti: your welcome
[12:53] <cjwatson> xnox: Could you merge dune-geometry, please?  Needed for a pending transition.
[13:05] <pitti> dobey: ubuntuone-dev-tools failure> more PEP-8 fun!
[13:10] <xnox> cjwatson: done.
[13:14] <cjwatson> xnox: thanks :)
[13:22] <bluesabre> xnox: would you mind uploading this package to trusty-proposed to begin SRU verification?
[13:22] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> sil2100, https://mentors.debian.net/package/lucene++
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> please check and I'll ask for upload
[14:10] <psivaa> infinity: chrisccoulson_: sorry missed your ping last night about /run/shm & /dev/shm state
[14:10] <psivaa> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul  2 15:15 /dev/shm -> /run/shm
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> that looks normal
[14:16] <sil2100> LocutusOfBorg1: ok, browsing throught in a moment
[14:22] <Bluefoxicy> so guys
[14:22] <Bluefoxicy> what's going on with 14.10?
[14:22] <Bluefoxicy> I sent to the dev list a while back that I'd like to see pam-tmpdir integrated by default this time, and no response
[14:22] <Bluefoxicy> is anyone testing?
[14:24] <Bluefoxicy> Everything's working on my end, has been for several releases.
[14:40] <shadeslayer> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7747340/ is the hook
[14:42] <pitti> shadeslayer: is cowbuilder somehow creating /tmp/adt-* ? (sorry, I don't know at all how that works, but it seems strange that it'd create an adt* dir)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> hm, not that I know of, it's all very weird
[14:42] <shadeslayer> this hook worked a few weeks ago
[14:42] <shadeslayer> and now it doesn't
[14:42] <pitti> shadeslayer: well, you might have had one from a previous run
[14:43] <pitti> shadeslayer: but this looks like it expects the output before actually running adt-run..
[14:43] <shadeslayer> pitti: do you have a autopkgtest hook for pbuilder?
[14:43] <pitti> shadeslayer: no, I don't
[14:43] <shadeslayer> https://gitorious.org/tanglu/jenkins-tanglu-buildkit/source/6694557e21cc163573338a3b21fd4757435af8e0:slave/pbuilder-hookdir/B20autopkgtest#L21 < does the same thing
[14:43] <pitti> I usually just run adt-run on a .dsc or source tree, or on a .changes if I have a build already
[14:46] <shadeslayer> hm ok, thx :)
[14:48] <mvo> pitti: fixing the pep8 failure right now, kind of ironic to have a pep8 failure in test_pep8.py :P
[14:49] <pitti> mvo: hehe; thanks
[15:40] <shadeslayer> dpm: ping
[15:40] <shadeslayer> dpm: are you in Barcelona next week?
[17:24] <dpm> hi shadeslayer, yes
[19:42] <Bluefoxicy> anyone?
[19:43] <Bluefoxicy> pitti?
[19:59] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: By "a while ago", do you mean October 2012?
[20:00] <Bluefoxicy> wow that comes out of google
[20:01] <Bluefoxicy> what the hell?
[20:01] <Bluefoxicy> I swear I sent an e-mail to ubuntu-devel-discuss last week asking about doing this in 14.10
[20:01] <Bluefoxicy> no evidence of any such e-mail exists anywhere
[20:01] <infinity> Ahh, yes.  You did.
[20:01] <infinity> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2014-April/014941.html
[20:01] <Bluefoxicy> it's not in my gmail or anything
[20:02] <Bluefoxicy> oh, there it is.  Wait, why don't I have it here?  o_O
[20:02] <infinity> But I'm not sure the arguments really would have changed since mdeslaur responded two years ago to the same thing.
[20:03] <Bluefoxicy> is that the "this should not be a problem, make apps behave properly" argument?
[20:04] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  my original concern (back in 2004) actually involved information leaks in the form of file names
[20:05] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: Indeed.  Firefox and Thunderbird certainly should learn to use XDG_ locations.
[20:05] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: I get the slight information leak concern.
[20:05] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  the FHS now specifies temporary files go in /run instead of /tmp?
[20:05] <infinity> Adding things to the defauly PAM stack is always something that needs an audit and careful consideration, though.  "It works for me" isn't quite enough for something that runs as root on every new session.
[20:06] <Bluefoxicy> i know
[20:06] <Bluefoxicy> I've been doing this since 2004 and trying to get people to use it during development cycles as at least a bulk sanity check measure
[20:07] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: If you're running it and happy with it, yay? :)
[20:07] <infinity> I run a lot of things I don't think need to be the default for everyone else.
[20:07] <Bluefoxicy> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html wow
[20:07] <Bluefoxicy> didn't know about this
[20:07] <infinity> And this doesn't cover the other tmpdir (/var/tmp), which is where large files go.
[20:08] <infinity> (In a traditional layout)
[20:10] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  curious, completely different topic
[20:12] <Bluefoxicy> somewhere in 2003-2005 I started arguing that Linux needs a good replacement or interface for Active Directory, to attain feature parity with Microsoft networks in the ability to push security policies, configurations, installed applications, and have central authority for users and computers on the network
[20:13] <Bluefoxicy> There are a few directory servers--FDS, RHDS, Mandriva has one, SuSE has one--but nobody seems to have actually tried to shape up client/server management for networks.  I haven't seen Ubuntu's cloud offering, which might do that.
[20:14] <Bluefoxicy> Does anyone actually consider this a deficiency?  I've had several discussions which basically ended in, "That's stupid, businesses don't want or need that"
[20:15] <Bluefoxicy> but I've never been able to look at corporate networks nad say, "You can do all that with Linux"
[20:15] <infinity> People want different things.  Nothing's sane to ship "by default", but lots of different solutions could use work.
[20:15] <Bluefoxicy> I did get as far as managing users in a central repository
[20:15] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  You've managed Windows networks?
[20:16] <infinity> Pure UNIX/Linux networks tend to not want anything that looks at all like AD, but instead want puppet-like things, and users/groups distributed out-of-band (like ud-ldap), or other fun stuff.
[20:16] <infinity> People trying to live in AD networks want tight integration with an AD controller.
[20:16] <Bluefoxicy> yeah
[20:16] <infinity> People trying to take over AD networks want to *be* an AD controller.
[20:16] <Bluefoxicy> When I worked at Social Security, they said they've looked at switching to Linux desktops, but it's impossible to manage properly.
[20:17] <Bluefoxicy> I've used Puppet.  One day, maybe I'll write something strikingly like it that actually works.
[20:17] <infinity> There's software to do all of these things, some needs more love than others, none of it is suitable for a "default" install.
[20:17] <Bluefoxicy> puppet's getting a lot of attention from dell and vmware and such, but, honestly... it's horrible.
[20:17] <Bluefoxicy> we have a package manager
[20:17] <Bluefoxicy> it's called apt.
[20:17] <infinity> (Not because it's crap, but because everyone has differing views on what the defaults should be)
[20:18] <Bluefoxicy> you can write modules in puppet to deploy roles... but if any of the needed packages overlap, it fails.
[20:18] <Bluefoxicy> so then you break it down into smaller modules
[20:18] <Bluefoxicy> until you eventually have a module for every individual package
[20:18] <Bluefoxicy> and the only point of this is, essentially, to change the default settings in the packages
[20:18] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: In a dpkg/rpm world, config management like puppet/chef should be used to enhance the package manager, not replace it.  ie: to roll out config changes on top of the packages defaults, not to mangle the packages and anger dpkg.
[20:19] <Bluefoxicy> infinity: in puppet, if you define a package resource more than once, anywhere, it cries out because you're defining an already-defined resource
[20:19] <infinity> Bluefoxicy: I dunno, we use it quite successfully with a lot of different roles.
[20:20] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  what if you have two different roles that both provide a web service via nginx
[20:20] <Bluefoxicy> so you depend on nginx, and have it installed in both roles?
[20:20] <Bluefoxicy> puppet fails when you put both roles on one server.  So you have to make a separate nginx role.
[20:21] <Bluefoxicy> which is okay, until you realize there's 50 different nginx modules, written different ways, and, eventually, you have a custom module for nginx in this role or that role...
[20:21] <infinity> We don't tend to do multiple roles per server.  Which, to be fair, is also how the rest of the world is going with cloudy things, juju, lxc, docker, coreos, etc.
[20:22] <Bluefoxicy> I've gone both ways
[20:22] <Bluefoxicy> hi ari
[20:22] <infinity> I do multiple roles on home servers where I don't have a datacenter to play with, and don't want the overhead of even light virtualisation.
[20:22] <infinity> But on the home or small business server scenario, you probably also don't give a crap about config management, I know I don't. :P
[20:23] <Bluefoxicy> my only multi-role server is a web app server
[20:23] <infinity> Cause it's usually one or two machines, not 100.
[20:23] <Bluefoxicy> infinity:  i'm studying project management
[20:23] <Bluefoxicy> let's not get into the merits of proper procedure in various situations ;p
[20:24] <Bluefoxicy> there are some environments where an abridged process is the absolute best way to do it, others where you need full processes, and everything in between; there are no real general rules for this :)
[20:28] <ari-tczew> hi Bluefoxicy
[20:29] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: I'm sorry but I need to ask you what's gonna on with M-o-M :)
[21:00] <Bluefoxicy> ari-tczew:  russian?
[21:00] <ari-tczew> Bluefoxicy: nope, polish
[21:12] <Bluefoxicy> ah
[21:12] <Bluefoxicy> hmm.
[21:12] <Bluefoxicy> I know an ari in moscow
[21:12] <Bluefoxicy> russian is a pretty crazy language, but polish is insane
[21:12] <Bluefoxicy> my grandfather speaks polish 'cause he came over from there on a boat
[21:27] <ari-tczew> cool


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[08:27] <user|7> Hello I have an issue with my Kubuntu OS
[08:36] <alkisg> What issue?
[09:52] <user|7> my screen on my laptop is blank but on boot up i can see HP logo so it does work but once it boots to kubuntu its blank
[10:10] <lordievader> user|7: What kind of videocard does your laptop have?
[10:11] <user|7> Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620
[11:27] <lordievader> Those typically work out of the box. But giving `nomodeset` a try is worth a shot.
[11:27] <lordievader> !nomodeset
 German?
 English is prefered
 michael if you want to stay in the group solve the captcha
 /help@join_captcha_bot
 /commands@join_captcha_bot
 Alex can you stop that please
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 /start@join_captcha_bot
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 So which version of kubuntu are you using?
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 Ubuntu 21.04 on a laptop and a Pi 4
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 And what do you like on ubuntu 21.4?
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[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Good evening there (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> Hi all)
 Smooth (re @michael: And what do you like on ubuntu 21.4?)
 Long gone from the IRC channel (re @chrobv: Good evening there)
 I prefer LTS
 why?
[22:12] <Metamorphosis> Hello. Is there any way to view PDF files on a dark mode?
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> In Okular, Settings -> Configure Okular -> Accessibility
[22:28] <Dragnslcr> Might not be perfect, but Invert Colors gives me a black background
[23:52] <an> Hallo :-) bin neu auf linux, setze hier gerade das ,,Windowsfx WX Desktop 10.6'' ein. Dieses gefällt mir ganz gut *****


[14:01] <SilverLion> saijonara
[14:01] <SilverLion> :D
[22:47] <NRWlion> hi there
[22:54] <SilverLion> :p
[23:55] <Cheesehead> philipballew: Still up for an IRC workshop?
[23:55] <philipballew> yeah, i am free now
[23:56] <Cheesehead> Have you seen the Googledocs list of subjects?
[23:56] <philipballew> I was wondering what I can sign myself up for to offer to help with skills and experience I have
[23:56]  * Cheesehead fishes for the link
[23:56] <Cheesehead> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ
[23:56] <philipballew> I have already been helping dave and amber for the past few months getting a few things made
[23:57]  * philipballew reads link
[23:57] <Cheesehead> There are currently 35 skills on the list.
[23:57] <Cheesehead> You can help teach any you feel comfortable teaching
[23:57] <Cheesehead> You can assist any you are interested in but don't feel up to teaching
[23:58] <philipballew> alright. my experience with Ubuntu has several strong areas.
[23:58] <philipballew> planning and support and some examples
[23:58] <Cheesehead> You can teach something that has already been signed up for at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects(the more trainers, the better)
[23:59] <philipballew> we might have a problem.
[23:59] <philipballew> the link is blank
[23:59] <Cheesehead> If a skill is missing, you can add it to the GoogleDoc list
[23:59] <philipballew> like its a untitled document
[23:59] <Cheesehead> Hmmm. Give it a minute to load. Mine goes slowly...


[00:07] <JontheEchidna> grr, my wifi just stopped working when I turned on my computer tonight :/
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> worked fine this morning, and I hadn't run any updates since then :(
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> it keeps tripping over trying to authenticate WEP for some reason
[00:08] <JontheEchidna> [/vent]
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> ethernet, I am teh tethered
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> ...first world problems :P
[00:48] <Darkwing> lol
[00:48] <Darkwing> kinda like my tablet randomly dropping wifi in the middle of a video chat minecraft session?
[03:03] <Darkwing> Can someone ping server.wonderly.com for me?
[03:41] <micahg> Darkwing: no go, ends at cox.net
[03:41] <Darkwing> try server.wonderly.com:8010
[03:41] <Darkwing> in browser.
[03:41] <micahg> works
[03:42] <Darkwing> Thanks micahg
[03:42] <Darkwing> Quintasan: When you are about...   It's a bit of a change from Maine?
[04:41] <Darkwing> lol not bad for choices. ScottK, you going to be in Oakland for uds in may?
[04:41] <claydoh> brother lives here
[04:41] <ScottK> Not likely.
[04:41] <claydoh> hot
[04:41] <Darkwing> ahhh.
[04:41] <claydoh> and humid already tho for me
[04:42] <ScottK> Dude, it's January.  Just you wait.
[04:42] <claydoh> i know
[04:42] <Darkwing> hehe its painful
[04:42] <ScottK> The British used it as a penal colony for a reason.
[04:42] <claydoh> i am getting used to it already
[04:42] <Darkwing> how long u been there?
[04:43] <claydoh> 3 weeks about
[04:43] <Darkwing> fun
[07:39] <fayaz> hi
[07:40] <fayaz> i'm seeing a bug in KGpg -> Key Server -> Export. no matter which key server i choose, the Information dialog says it uploaded to server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <Darkwing> Here is to building an ARM image for my eee pad tablet.
[08:40] <Riddell> fayaz: check with upstream if it's a bug in upstream
[08:40] <Riddell> Darkwing: they're ARM machines?
[08:53] <Riddell> who do I want to vote for as DMB?
[08:56] <fayaz> Riddell: are you sure? this sounds more like a downstream issue...
[09:01] <Riddell> fayaz: to find out kill kgpg, delete your kgpgrc, delete /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kgpgrc
[09:01] <Riddell> restart kgpg, re-set it up
[09:01] <Riddell> if it still can't correctly choose which server to upload it'll be an upstream issue
[09:05] <fayaz> okay, Riddell, but i think it's always pointing the "Default" key server in settings
[09:05] <fayaz> it changes when i change it there
[09:37] <Riddell> hmm usb-creator-kde is showing its bitrot
[13:10] <Riddell> muon doesn't do the commercial canonical app store yet does it? (question in my inbox)
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:44] <Riddell> morning BluesKaj
[13:44] <BluesKaj> morning Riddell
[16:16] <Riddell> !testers
[16:17] <paulw2u> info
[16:17] <Riddell> ISOs needing testing
[16:17] <Riddell> paulw2u: ?
[16:17] <paulw2u> Riddell: sorry...
[16:18] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell, I'm in
[16:19] <koolhead11> hi all
[16:19] <Riddell> take your pick from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/206/builds BluesKaj
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  actually I should have asked first ..what are we dealing with here
[16:19] <Riddell> if you are doing a test please tick "In progress" so we know
[16:20] <Riddell> BluesKaj: we are due to release alpha 2 on thursday
[16:20] <Riddell> we need to test the candidate ISOs
[16:20] <Riddell> so it involves a largeish download, DVD/USB writing, (re)installing
[16:22] <yofel_> BluesKaj: there are testing instructions for each test on the page
[16:29] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok what page , i don't see any links to instructions. I assume you guys want me to install the desktop iSO file and install it on my / partition ?
[16:31] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes
[16:32] <Riddell> from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  i'm downloading this , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120131.2/precise-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:40] <Riddell> BluesKaj: great thanks
[16:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:40]  * Riddell is onto the DVDs
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , 731mb is a bit large for cd
[16:42] <Riddell> you'll need a DVD or USB to burn it onto
[16:43] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have some DVD-RWs that use for OS iso images
[16:43] <BluesKaj> older pc here , no bios option to boot usb's
[16:46] <BluesKaj> and I'm not going fiddle-faddle with some app that's supposed to help boot a usb image like a live-cd :)
[16:46] <BluesKaj> or dvd
[16:48] <Riddell> do whatever you can manage, ISO testing is a slow thankless task, but needs done
[16:49] <yofel> BluesKaj: if you open a test case, there's a "link to the test case" where you find instructions on what to do
[16:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have a beagleboard thing?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> I think I'll manage Riddell :)
[16:50] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj: usually you can bring up any tests you are unable to do in #ubuntu-testing and someone will pick them up
[16:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: I have a panda board thing
[16:50] <apachelogger> no bootable sd though (I think)
[16:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know docs for getting one up and running?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca,  ok thanks
[16:55] <charlie-tca> yw, BluesKaj
[16:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: yus
[16:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/OMAP_Ubuntu_Main
[16:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you know what sort of power supply I need?
[17:00] <apachelogger> jolly good question
[17:00]  * apachelogger tries to find his
[17:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think it is mentioned on the panda board page though
[17:00] <apachelogger> pandaboard.org or somesuch
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/Accessories
[17:02] <Riddell> I like how that site uses Oxygen icons :)
[17:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: and how do I plug it into a monitor without DVI?
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: there are dvi-hdmi adapters
[17:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: and that lets me plug in VGA?
[17:05] <apachelogger> oh VGA?
[17:05] <apachelogger> what is that then? :O
[17:05] <Riddell> what my monitor uses!
[17:05] <apachelogger> :O
[17:06] <apachelogger> you need a new monitor apparently :)
[17:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am certain there are also adapters for VGA->HDMI
[17:10] <BluesKaj> I use dvi>hdmi cable , it doesn't transfer audio signals in my configuration , but the video is first class
[17:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: and I also need USB to RS-232?
[17:10] <Riddell> to do this stage? http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Minicom
[17:11] <BluesKaj> ok guys , gonna install the new iso image to / ...bbl to report how it worked out
[17:12] <BluesKaj>  Riddell one question ,does this image contain kde 4.8 ?
[17:12] <Riddell> BluesKaj: KDE SC 4.8 yes
[17:13] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  ok cool , bb in an hr or so
[17:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't think it is necessary
[17:29] <apachelogger> however at some point it would be a good idea for debugging
[17:29] <apachelogger> as that is the only way to get hold of a tty
[17:51] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/197438/
[17:53] <ulysses> o.O
[17:53] <debfx> yeah we should display an always-on-top window for a day like wikipedia ;-)
[17:54] <yofel> uhm, just because we didn't protest against SOPA for everyone to see doesn't mean we should do that for ACTA ^^
[17:55] <Riddell> especially since I haven't read ACTA or know what stage it's at in the (non)democratic process
[17:59] <koolhead17> hi Riddell
[18:01] <Riddell> hi koolhead17, I don't think I have so much time this night, but how did the package get on?
[18:02] <koolhead17> Riddell: came. sometime back. i have to setup a env for that. i dont have precious installed currently :(
[18:06] <Riddell> koolhead17: want an ec2?
[18:06] <koolhead17> that be cool :)
[18:10] <Riddell> koolhead17<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:31] <Riddell> koolhead17: are you in?
[18:31] <koolhead17> Riddell: yeah.
[19:53] <Darkwing> apachelogger: you still about?
[20:03] <Darkwing> :( Only love to OMAP boards
[20:04] <Riddell> Darkwing: I need a power supply before I can use mine
[20:04] <Darkwing> I have a tegra2 board.
[20:05] <Darkwing> I found an old image (Karmic) and because it's not supported it's reaking havok in my chroot on my tablet.
[20:05] <Riddell> Darkwing: does that mean you can test our images for alpha 2?
[20:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's our telepathy story?
[20:05] <Darkwing> As long as they are tegra2 and not OMAP
[20:07] <Darkwing> But, all our built images are for OMAP :(
[20:10] <Riddell> tsk all this fiddly arm stuff
[20:11] <Darkwing> Yeah I know... I wish there was a way to just do an ARM build like we do for x86 and 64
[20:22] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell et al , everything seems ok so far ..stiill checking  tho
[21:06]  * BluesKaj wonders about kde 4.8 and QtCurve
[21:14] <Riddell> BluesKaj: can you report on the iso testing site?
[21:16] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  still checking system settings/fonts , colours differnt themes
[21:18] <BluesKaj> had some trouble with the install, it the install procedure crashes if you choose to add third party sources
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ^^
[21:20] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's not part of the test case. File a bug about the crash, mark the test you did as passed and add the bug number to the test while you do that
[21:21] <yofel> at least I haven't seen a test case yet where the third party stuff is installed
[21:33] <BluesKaj> can't login yofel , access denied , unless I'm missing something on the test page , where i can file a report ...this procrural stuff is new to me so don't assume I know what's what
[21:34] <BluesKaj> prcedural
[21:35] <BluesKaj> I have an Ubuntu Single Sign On acct btw , but I'm denied access to the test page
[21:37] <yofel> odd
[21:37] <yofel> ask in #ubuntu-testing
[21:43] <Riddell> wgrant: http://paste.kde.org/197528/ http://paste.kde.org/197534/ soyuz broken?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> yofel,  , I'm going to continue setting everything to the it was previous to the install in terms of the "look" and making sure all the media files run ok . I'll be back tomorrow to report any bugs
[21:43] <Riddell> maybe you need to be in a special team
[21:44] <yofel> shouldn't be... but I'm not sure as I had an account on the old iso tracker too
[21:45] <wgrant> Riddell: Yes. Looks like someone copied an expired package.
[21:45] <wgrant> Will investigate later.
[21:47] <wgrant> Except that's from Debian, so should never be expired :/
[21:48] <wgrant> Riddell: Ah, are you sure queue fetch works on syncs/
[21:49] <wgrant> Riddell: It relies on there being a changes file, which imported Debian packages don't have.
[21:58] <Riddell> wgrant: is this sync mechanism something new I've not come across before?
[21:59] <wgrant> Riddell: It's been around for a few months.
[21:59] <Riddell> yes but I haven't :)
[21:59] <Riddell> wgrant: sladen filed bug 924537
[21:59] <wgrant> True, true.
[22:00] <wgrant> But if you look at the web UI you'll see it was copied from Debian by sladen.
[22:00] <Riddell> right
[22:00] <Riddell> well it's in debian so new isn't too important and I can just approve it
[22:00] <wgrant> That's why fixing queue fetch hasn't been a priority.
[22:01]  * Riddell accepts