[03:41] <samuli> newbietolinux, I don't know for nvidia cards, but you could try and check out /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if there's entry for second monitor.
[03:42] <meheren> I have a 1280x1024 screen but the mac wants the screen to be 2054x1300
[03:42] <phunkalicious> nvidia has twinview for that kind of stuff
[03:42] <phunkalicious> but i don't know how to use it for sure :/
[03:42] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Can you start a Terminal from "Applications > Accessories", please
[03:42] <meheren> (2054x1300 is the max that the g4 supports)
[03:42] <newbietolinux> well i tryed ubuntu and suse they both have the dual monitor problem
[03:43] <newbietolinux> yes i can
[03:43] <Jemt> newbietolinux: The type 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' and press enter
[03:43] <Jemt> The type = then type
[03:43] <filemover> ive burnt the CD what do i do now boot from it
[03:43] <ljlolel> i love ubutu
[03:43] <meheren> filemover, w32/64 or mac?
[03:43] <newbietolinux> you want me to type out the type = then type?
[03:43] <filemover> w32
[03:44] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Just type 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' in the terminal/console and press enter
[03:44] <meheren> put cd into drive
[03:44] <meheren> when computers boots hit F2
[03:44] <newbietolinux> okay roger, w8 1
[03:44] <meheren> that should bring you into bios
[03:44] <filemover> done
[03:44] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ok :)
[03:44] <filemover> k
[03:44] <filemover> dont that
[03:44] <filemover> done
[03:45] <meheren> then set the computer to boot from cd as option 1
[03:45] <filemover> k
[03:45] <nosilver4u> i need help getting 2 xsessions running on a dual-head card
[03:45] <filemover> done
[03:45] <nosilver4u> anyone have any experience with that?
[03:45] <meheren> then go all the way to exit and hit exit(maybe quit...) and save (BE SURE TO SAVE)
[03:46] <meheren> I'll be right back have to bring my dog in for the night
[03:46] <Ylan> I need some help with ipod / usb issues
[03:46] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Well ?
[03:46] <filemover> im at the splash screen
[03:46] <filemover> its going to install
[03:46] <phaedrus44> woot  woot
[03:47] <filemover> it seems to be loading all this stuff
[03:47] <RafaelMontano> How do download a file in Ubuntu Server?
[03:47] <RafaelMontano> What command?
[03:47] <samuli> filemover, it's not installing. IT's just loading to the desktop
[03:47] <nosilver4u> Rafael: try wget
[03:47] <pookey> hi all, I presume i can install a desktop from the server disk? is there a package I can install that will set it all up for me as a desktop machine?
[03:47] <filemover> ok
[03:47] <filemover> is it loading into ram
[03:48] <samuli> pookey, ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop
[03:48] <pookey> samuli: that's effectly the same as using the desktop disk ?
[03:48] <samuli> pookey, yeah. If you want just the core use gnome-core or kde-core
[03:48] <pookey> samuli: thanks :)
[03:48] <samuli> or xfce4 cor
[03:48] <samuli> e
[03:48] <edju> Not wanting to start a distro war , truly curious - why choose ubuntu rather than just using debian?
[03:48] <pookey> ug ;)
[03:48] <blanky> about how much space does an ubuntu base isntall take? I forget
[03:48] <blanky> I remember it takes 2 gigs or less
[03:49] <pookey> edju: it's far more upto date (I'm a fan of neither distro ;) )
[03:49] <blanky> edju, cause debian is old and crusty?
[03:49] <filemover> its playing music to me
[03:49] <pookey> edju: and, 6.06 has a 5 year server support promise
[03:49] <RafaelMontano> nosilver4u: Thanks downloading! :)
[03:50] <filemover> ive got a desktop now what do i do
[03:50] <Ylan> Anyone here well versed in ipod / usb issues?
[03:50] <interfear> can anyone recommend some cool desktop eye candy / toys for 6.06?
[03:50] <meheren> back
[03:50] <blanky> did you guys know that Seveas is my brother?
[03:50] <newbietolinux> back and did it
[03:50] <edju> Isn't ubuntu really debian ?
[03:50] <newbietolinux> sorry for the leave
[03:50] <blanky> edju, yes...no...
[03:50] <pookey> edju: it shares the package manager
[03:50] <meheren> are you in gnome yet?
[03:50] <BHSPitMonkey> edju, based on it
[03:50] <lido> anyone here run 6.06 server with bind9 for dns?
[03:50] <BHSPitMonkey> a lot of the rules are the same.
[03:50] <blanky> they take sid snapshots and path and make em better, send results back to debdev, and make it better
[03:50] <newbietolinux> i opened the X11/xorg.conf
[03:51] <meheren> filemover, has gnome loaded yet?
[03:51] <filemover> yeah
[03:51] <filemover> i figured it out
[03:51] <filemover> i just double clicked on install
[03:51] <meheren> ok :P
[03:51] <edju> It installs binaries, no?  Is there a choice to install progs from source?
[03:51] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Please remember to heighlight me by typing my nick (ie  'Jemt: Here is my message') - otherwise I don't see your messages
[03:51] <filemover> i have to select a time zone
[03:51] <Jemt> newbietolinux: You see a lot of text, right ?
[03:51] <meheren> if you have any troubles questions, just ask
[03:51] <newbietolinux> can u see me now
[03:52] <meheren> yeh, a bunch of stupid things at first
[03:52] <samuli> edju, yes, but why would you want to do that?
[03:52] <digitalhav0c> could some on tell what screen my Xgl is running on from this
[03:52] <digitalhav0c> digitalhav0c@zeus-desktop:~/ut$ sudo ps uax | grep Xgl
[03:52] <digitalhav0c> 1000     11793  3.5 13.1  77100 68020 ?        RL   21:44   0:12 Xgl -fullscreen :1 -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:pbuffer
[03:52] <digitalhav0c> 1000     12053  0.0  0.1   2884   816 pts/1    S+   21:50   0:00 grep Xgl
[03:52] <newbietolinux> i have your name highlighted
[03:52] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Yes, but highlight me by typing my name (that makes the line you type a different color on my screen)
[03:52] <pookey> samuli: to have the latest SVN build of fast moving packges perhaps? amarok and kopete are things i build a lot on my system
[03:52] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Makes it easier for me to track our conversation
[03:53] <Justinpirate> Hello everyone
[03:53] <Jemt> newbietolinux: <<[03:53] <samuli> pookey, I think he meant getting the sources from repositories.
[03:53] <filemover> well that worked ok it updated my time
[03:53] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Anyways, the file you opened is full of text, right ?
[03:53] <newbietolinux> jemt; i see
[03:53] <Jemt> newbietolinux: There you go! :)
[03:53] <newbietolinux> jemt yes
[03:53] <edju> samuli, Well, I don't mean the configure, make, make install route - I mean like gentoo's emerge. e.g., with its USE flags & all.  Ubuntu offer something like that?
[03:54] <samuli> edju, apt-source
[03:54] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ok. Now I remember it, we'd better make a backup of the file
[03:54] <pookey> samuli: pretend he meant what I just said, beucase... it's a question I have anyway ;)
[03:54] <BHSPitMonkey> newbietolinux, type BHS and hit [TAB] , see what happens :)
[03:54] <samuli> edju, but anyways.. why? :)
[03:54] <newbietolinux> jemt: it states that i have one monitor generic and generic nvidia card
[03:54] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Just close the program (text editor) and type this in the console/terminal
[03:54] <Jemt> newbietolinux:
[03:54] <newbietolinux> jemt: okay
[03:54] <Ylan> When I try to copy files from my ipod to the computer, I get Buffer I/O errors on the system log and the process hangs forever.
[03:54] <newbietolinux> jemt: what did you want me to type?
[03:54] <Jemt> newbietolinux: 'cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup' <enter>
[03:54] <pookey> samuli: I needd to upgrade kopete yesterday from SVN, currently I'm a gentoo user so I could just re-emerge from the SVN ebuild... are there provisions in ubuntu to do it easily ?
[03:54] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Without the pings ( ' )
[03:55] <Ylan> I have tried a kernel without EFI support, with both a USB and a firewire connection, and the result is still the same.
[03:55] <samuli> pookey, I don't know. maybe checkinstall has that kind of functionality?
[03:55] <edju> samuli, Wouldn't that be more - uhhh - "molded" to a particular system?
[03:56] <samuli> edju, in theory you get better performance but in practise it's negligible.
[03:56] <pookey> edju: (unless I'm wrong) ubuntu is i686 compiled, on a desktop you will see very little different compared to a 'tuned' gentoo system (I'm a gentoo user, it's my OS of choice)
[03:56] <samuli> edju, and compiling takes ages :)
[03:56] <edju> samuli, I know, that's why I'm looking for something other than Gentoo.
[03:57] <Jemt> newbietolinux: I gotta go in a few minutes - You'd better hurry :)
[03:57] <newbietolinux> jemt: its done
[03:57] <pookey> edju: well, does compiling bother you *that* much? I don't consider it an issue personally.  it's a one off.
[03:57] <newbietolinux> jemt: i have a back up now of that config
[03:57] <samuli> jemt, gedit makes it's own backups by default btw.
[03:58] <filemover> its making a partition
[03:58] <edju> pookey, The problem is, I've made mistakes over time in Gentoo, and it's beginning to show.  Fixing them may be over my head.
[03:58] <javiolo> hi
[03:58] <samuli> they're called the.file~
[03:58] <pookey> edju: for exmaple ?
[03:58] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Interesting.. no errors? We forgot 'sudo' in front of the command
[03:58] <newbietolinux> thanks for the info i am learning
[03:58] <newbietolinux> jemt: no i did sudo
[03:58] <javiolo> if compiled an app from sources and then installed, later how do I uninstall it _
[03:58] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Good :)
[03:58] <newbietolinux> jemt: i know solaris
[03:58] <meheren> filemover, are you wiping your drive?
[03:58] <filemover> whats a good size for the partition
[03:58] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ah, okay :)
[03:59] <filemover> no
[03:59] <meheren> Be very carefull
[03:59] <meheren> umm how big is hd?
[03:59] <filemover> it asked me if i wanted to and i said no
[03:59] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Open the xorg.conf file in gedit again (press arrow-up a few times to see the command again)
[03:59] <newbietolinux> jemt: i got it
[03:59] <samuli> javiolo, you need to have the sources on your harddrive and there make uninstall. I think.
[03:59] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Execute it <enter>
[03:59] <newbietolinux> jemt: i am not to much a newb
[03:59] <TuBF2> Lo. Anyone able to point me to the most recent LiveCD release of Ubuntu? Can't seem to find anything related on the download page
[03:59] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ok :)
[03:59] <meheren> filemover, choose resize par and use free space
[04:00] <filemover> k
[04:00] <filemover> i did that
[04:00] <newbietolinux> jemt: got it
[04:00] <javiolo> samuli ok thanks
[04:00] <filemover> its doing stuff now
[04:00] <meheren> filemover, ok now how big is th hd?
[04:00] <edju> pookey, Well, modular X and nvidia, for one - a messed up world file for another.
[04:00] <meheren> ah ok...
[04:00] <carneous> a normal install of ubuntu server has no sshd?
[04:00] <filemover> 100 GB
[04:00] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ok, now let's find 'Section "Monitor"'
[04:00] <meheren> filemover, woa
[04:00] <pookey> edju: yeah.. ok.. you're 'playing' with masked stuff, that's your own fault ;)
[04:00] <newbietolinux> jemt: got it
[04:00] <filemover> lol
[04:01] <TuBF2> Anyone able to point me to the most recent LiveCD release of Ubuntu? Can't seem to find anything related on the download page
[04:01] <filemover> its my laptop
[04:01] <meheren> filemover, use 50 gigs for ubuntu and 50 for winblows
[04:01] <Jemt> newbietolinux: In that section you will find HorizSync and VertRefresh. Comment these out by placing a # (hash) in front of each line
[04:01] <filemover> k
[04:01] <meheren>  filemover, my macbook only has 80
[04:01] <peope> I heard of an enterprise version of ubuntu. What is it called?
[04:01] <newbietolinux> jemt: it saids identifier, option, horizsync, and vertrefresh
[04:01] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Do you have 'Option    "DPMS"' in that section ?
[04:01] <newbietolinux> jemt:yes
[04:01] <edju> pookey, Mod X isn't masked now - not for x86, anyway.
[04:01] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Comment out the lines I just told you about then :)
[04:02] <filemover> yeah i talked to the guy at tandy and he said i needed a new hard drive and he sold me this
[04:02] <chotchki> hey guys whats the recommended way of rebuilding the ubuntu live cd with updates?
[04:02] <newbietolinux> jemt: roger just DPMS?
[04:02] <pookey> edju: oh? well, I'm not touching it yet, that's for sure ;)  I'll mask that out manually I think
[04:02] <Jemt> newbietolinux: ?
[04:02] <meheren> peope, I know of four kinds of ubuntu, ubuntu (duh) Xubuntu edubuntu and Kubuntu
[04:02] <Jemt> newbietolinux: "just" ?
[04:02] <newbietolinux> jemt: what did you want me to comment out?
[04:02] <meheren> filemover, wow
[04:02] <Jemt> Jemt >> newbietolinux: In that section you will find HorizSync and VertRefresh. Comment these out by placing a # (hash) in front of each line
[04:03] <newbietolinux> jemt: did it
[04:03] <filemover> its still doing stuff im on step 5 of 6
[04:03] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Now save the file
[04:03] <samuli> Jemt, are you sure about that? He's only having problems with the other monitor, right newbietolinux ?
[04:03] <meheren> ahok
[04:03] <newbietolinux> correct
[04:03] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Oh? You got two monitors ? :-S
[04:03] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Ah, bugger. Wasn't aware of that
[04:03] <newbietolinux> jemt: sorry that is correct
[04:03] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Sorry, My bad
[04:03] <klees> was sun-java5-bin taken off from the multiverse???
[04:04] <meheren> filemover, Umm im going to go play doom now so if you have prob ask someone will help you (hopefully)
[04:04] <klees> how can i install java??
[04:04] <samuli> newbietolinux, so the problem is that the other monitor is trying to duplicate the others resolution and apparently isn't doing good job at that.
[04:04] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Not sure how you can solve that. In general Ubuntu sucks then it comes to Dual Head
[04:04] <FunnyLookinHat> !JAVA
[04:04] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:04] <newbietolinux> jemt: i need to add the other monitor and graphics card as 2 of them correct?
[04:04] <mike930> does ubuntu have a built in firewall
[04:04] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, I don't know why it isn't in the multiverse anymore  :-/
[04:04] <FunnyLookinHat> it should be
[04:04] <filemover> k thnx for all yoru help Meheren it all seems to have gone smoothly
[04:04] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Sorry, can't help you. Dual Head/Monitor sucks big time in Ubuntu.
[04:05] <klees> is there a repo for me to install it from?
[04:05] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, it's stil there for me
[04:05] <FunnyLookinHat> in mutliverse
[04:05] <newbietolinux> jemt: thank you though; i guess i am still asking for help?
[04:05] <Jemt> newbietolinux: I think your best shot is using a resolution that both monitors support
[04:05] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, you sure you have multiverse enabled?
[04:05] <ryanakca> how do you make the font bigger on tty1? on ctrl-alt-f1...
[04:05] <klees> yes
[04:05] <klees> everything is checked
[04:05] <ryanakca> how do you make the font smaller on tty1? on ctrl-alt-f1...
[04:05] <Jemt> newbietolinux: Yes, go ahead. Someone might be able to help you - I doubt it though
[04:05] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, that won't do it
[04:05] <klees> under synaptic
[04:05] <ryanakca> ignore the first one
[04:05] <samuli> newbietolinux, there's a program called twinview to configure nvidia dual-monitors i've heard. Maybe you should try to get a look at that.
[04:05] <mike930> can someone tell me if ubuntu has a built in firewall
[04:05] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[04:06] <FunnyLookinHat> !pastebin
[04:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[04:06] <pop4488> Hi
[04:06] <newbietolinux> samuli: where could i find it?
[04:06] <Jemt> mike930: You can install Firestarter- great Firewall
[04:06] <javiolo> !iptables
[04:06] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed with iptables (in the command line), firestarter (gui, can also setup connection sharing) or shorewall (web interface)
[04:06] <Jemt> mike930: 'sudo apt-get install firestarter'
[04:06] <edju> So how does at-source work - does one pass flags to it?
[04:06] <samuli> newbietolinux, also on the www.ubuntuforums.org there's ought to be good tutorials about dual-heads with nvidia.
[04:06] <Methodeux> I'm having difficulties with my NVidia driver installation in Dapper Drake.  The provided BinaryDriverHowTo on the Ubuntu site isn't working..
[04:06] <javiolo> !tell mike930 about iptables
 I'm asking because I keep getting messages saying I'm behind a firewall and I haven't installed one
[04:07] <Jemt> mike930: Oh :)
[04:07] <edju> *at-source*apt-source*
[04:07] <pppoe_dude> is there a way to create a virtual network device that syncs IP addresses with my routers' IP?
[04:07] <samuli> edju, apt-get source
[04:07] <Jemt> mike930: Could be that your ISP (service provider) is providing limited access to the internet (some ports has been closed)
[04:08] <Methodeux> When I approach the point where I'm to run nvidia-glx-configure enable, it gripes about the xorg.conf file.  I perform the md5sum command it suggested, but the resulting xorg.conf couldn't seem to find the appropriate device to boot X.
[04:08] <klees> FunnyLookinHat, here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17968
 hum, have to check in on it
[04:08] <Jemt> mike930: Yep :)
[04:08] <samuli> newbietolinux, there's a package called nvidia-settings - Tool of configuring the NVIDIA graphics driver, maybe that is of help.
[04:08] <samuli> newbietolinux, you can get it by typing sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:09] <newbietolinux> samuli: i will try
[04:09] <samuli> newbietolinux, and be sure to check out the forums.
[04:09] <TuBF2> Argh, where can I download the LiveCD?
[04:09] <stephan21_> /usr/bin/azureus: line 34: exec: java: not found
[04:09] <newbietolinux> samuli: it works
[04:10] <edju> Maybe I'll give kubuntu a shot - about how much space for a default install?
[04:10] <newbietolinux> samuli: now what it didn't do anything?
[04:10] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, use this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17969
[04:11] <samuli> newbietolinux, check if you have launch icon on the applications menu?
[04:11] <klees> replace my file with that one??
[04:11] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, notice I added multiverse to lines 26,27 and 31,32
[04:11] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, ypu
[04:11] <lostinc> What desktop does the Alternate install CD install for under 192meg systems
[04:11] <samuli> newbietolinux, I'm sorry, but I really can't help you out much because I don't have an nvidia card.
[04:11] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, then sudo apt-get update
[04:11] <klees> k brb
[04:11] <TuBF2> Ubuntu LiveCD??
[04:11] <samuli> lostinc, gnome with ubuntu and kde with kubuntu
[04:12] <lostinc> ok I was wondering what set the Alternate install CD apart since it states it is or under 192 meg systems
[04:12] <newbietolinux> samuli: I don't see launch?
[04:13] <newbietolinux> samuli: under applications?
[04:13] <tale> lostinc, it uses the old ncurses based installer
[04:13] <samuli> newbietolinux, or perhaps system
[04:13] <lostinc> Oh I see
[04:13] <tale> lostinc, instead of the live cd method
[04:13] <klees> thx FunnyLookinHat that seems like it worked
[04:13] <newbietolinux> samuli: i don't see launch anywhere?
[04:14] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, sweet man
[04:14] <klees> i'll install it right now
[04:14] <samuli> newbietolinux, ok, then. just type sudo nvidia-settings
[04:14] <stephan21_> sudo update-alternatives --config java : shows java but when i try to run azuerurs it doesnt see it
[04:14] <Dagataka> what does this mean?> in /var/log/messages: localhost kernel: smb_proc_readdir_long: error=-13, breaking, localhost kernel: smb_proc_readdir_long: error=-2, breaking and localhost kernel: SMB connection re-established (-5) this is continious, I guess it has something to do with smbfs as that is how I'm mounting my networked drives manually?
[04:14] <stephan21_> /usr/bin/azureus: line 34: exec: java: not found
[04:14] <newbietolinux> samuli: if i right click i see create launcher?
[04:14] <FunnyLookinHat> klees, you may also want to add deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main to the lats line of your sources.list
[04:15] <cArNy> Sysinfo for 'linux': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMD Athlon XP 1500+ at 1300 MHz (2601 bogomips), HD: 19/109GB, RAM: 375/440MB, 103 proc's, 4.6d up
[04:15] <klees> sounds good
[04:15] <samuli> newbietolinux, you need to use ala carte menu editor to add launcher to menu.
[04:15] <TuBF2> Where can I download the latest Ubuntu LiveCD?
[04:15] <TuBF2> Where can I download the latest Ubuntu LiveCD?
[04:15] <TuBF2> Where can I download the latest Ubuntu LiveCD?
[04:15] <newbietolinux> samuli: i got the menu to come up with sudo
[04:15] <TuBF2> Bleh
[04:15] <userundefine> don't flood the chat
[04:15] <FunnyLookinHat> TuBF2, http://www.ubuntu.com
[04:16] <javiolo> !livecd
[04:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu Dapper 'Desktop' CD contains a Live CD (Ubuntu that runs straight off the CD and RAM) with an install option. Breezy's Live CD contained no install.
[04:16] <shad0w1e> anyone know if I should replace my athlon64 3000+ with an Opteron 146?
[04:16] <newbietolinux> samuli: shouldn't i download the latest nvidia drivers first?
[04:16] <TuBF2> ty
[04:16] <dli> shad0w1e, why not get a dual core?
[04:16] <userundefine> shad0w1e, no, why would you?  You can overclock the 3000 to Opteron performance if yo uwant
[04:16] <shad0w1e> I can get the opteron 146 for like $110
[04:16] <TheRealZorro> Grub doesnt install properly with Ubuntu Server edition 6.06
[04:16] <samuli> newbietolinux, You really should look into the forums and see how other people have fixed the issue :)
[04:16] <TheRealZorro> :(
[04:17] <TheRealZorro> any ideas?
[04:17] <newbietolinux> samuli: thank you...
[04:17] <shad0w1e> whats the real difference between opteron and 64?
[04:17] <shad0w1e> will opteron eat more power?
[04:17] <polpak> newbietolinux: fixed which issue?
[04:17] <kintaro> hi guys...how can i write a cd?
[04:17] <shad0w1e> gnomebaker comes with ubuntu
[04:17] <userundefine> shad0w1e, basically very little.  probably won't use much more power.
[04:17] <UKMatt> kintaro, what kind
[04:18] <dli> kintaro, apt-get install k3b
[04:18] <shad0w1e> K3B Is a superior burning program, however it will require you to install qt and a bunch of other stuff...
[04:18] <kintaro> write a iso file..is there a NERO on linux?i'm using gnome...
[04:18] <samuli> kintaro, easiest way is to open up places --> cd/dvd creator and copy stuff to that directory, then --> write to disc
[04:18] <userundefine> kintaro, yes, there is a nerolinux.  costs, however.
[04:18] <shad0w1e> kintaro, gnomebaker might already be on gnome
[04:18] <TheRealZorro> anyone have problems with grub?  I get "Missing Operating System" when I boot.  How can I fix it?
[04:18] <polpak> kintaro: put the blank cd in, it will prompt you for either data or music and open the appropriate program
[04:19] <kintaro> ok..thanks guys
[04:19] <polpak> !grub TheRealZorro
[04:19] <ubotu> I know nothing about grub TheRealZorro - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:19] <polpak> !grub > TheRealZorro
[04:19] <polpak> rather
[04:19] <samuli> kintaro, you need to make iso or burn it?
[04:19] <godtvisken> Ubuntu doesn't come with gcc by default?
[04:19] <polpak> !build > godtvisken
[04:19] <kintaro> samuli..burn it
[04:19] <shad0w1e> so.. I guess I keep my athlon 64 3000+ then
[04:19] <javiolo> godtvisken download buil-essential
[04:19] <shad0w1e> thanks people for the suggestions
[04:19] <samuli> kintaro, right click on the iso file and select burn image to cd
[04:20] <javiolo> godtvisken sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:20] <TheRealZorro> *checking out the link*
[04:20] <kintaro> samuli..ok..i'll try that one
[04:20] <Geheimnis> I have a newbie question, how can I see who's online on a Linux box ? what's the command line ?
[04:20] <lufis> Are there any plans to replace ESD with Jack or PulseAudio in Ubuntu?
[04:20] <shad0w1e> Geheimnis
[04:20] <shad0w1e> who
[04:20] <ranunculoid> What folder do I put Win32 codecs in in ubuntu so that Totem can use them?
[04:20] <satafterh> hdparm /dev/hda
[04:20] <godtvisken> javiolo, thanks
[04:21] <javiolo> goftvisken np
[04:21] <Geheimnis> shad0w1e: thanks a lot
[04:21] <polpak> ranunculoid: it should be a .deb file and you sudo dpkg -i w32codecs.deb or whatever.. You probably will want to sudo apt-get install totem-xine also
[04:21] <satafterh> anyone know anything about setting hd to ultra dma 5? is it safe?
[04:21] <jojoman02> does gstreamer 0.10 (will all plugins and w32codecs) support aac decoding (from internet stream)??
[04:22] <stephan21_> can someone help me get Azuerus to see java
[04:22] <stephan21_> i know i have it
[04:22] <stephan21_> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[04:22] <polpak> stephan21_: first sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[04:22] <polpak> stephan21_: then sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:23] <ralsheb> i tried to change my hostname but always getting unable to lookup [myhostname]   via gethostbyname() when i try to do things like change runlevel or modify files
[04:23] <stephan21_> polpak, i did that
[04:23] <polpak> stephan21_: and you'll probably want to choose number 3 on the list (the one from the sun package)
[04:23] <polpak> stephan21_: if you do it, it will work
[04:24] <Samus_Aran> can someone explain to me what synaptic means by "These packages will be Unchanged" when I go to install something ?  should these packages be changed ?  there are quite a few of them now, about 20
[04:24] <stephan21_> polpak, i only have       1        /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java/..............usr/lib/j2se/1.4/bin/java,
[04:24] <snoops> Samus_Aran pretty sure that means you need to upgrade to the latest versons of them with the update manager
[04:25] <polpak> stephan21_: well you want to choose whichever number has the java-1.5.0-sun
[04:25] <fowlduck> !install
[04:25] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:25] <stephan21_>       1        /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java....i chose this and it still wont see it
[04:26] <stephan21_> ls: /usr/java: No such file or directory
[04:26] <stephan21_> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[04:26] <fowlduck> does this apply to dapper as well?  Are the installers the same? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/I386
[04:27] <ralsheb> can someone direct me to correct wayt o change hostname via cmd line,i did and it messed things up
[04:27] <Samus_Aran> snoops: I think so, as I just reloaded the package database and then marked all upgrades, and there were about 20 items on the list
[04:27] <satafterh> is setting hd to ultra dma a good idea or is there likly to be issue's?
[04:28] <Samus_Aran> satafterh: if your drive supports it, its good to use it
[04:28] <Geheimnis> hmm, is there a command for removing non-empty directories, I tried --ignore-on-fail-on-non-empty with rmdir, but that doesn't seem to work
[04:28] <polpak> Geheimnis: rm -r
[04:28] <Geheimnis> thanks
[04:29] <Samus_Aran> satafterh: there are decent IDE drivers for most motherboards, I assume Ubuntu will auto-load any such modules.  there are a few flakey IDE drivers, but mostly it's for very old hardware
[04:29] <Samus_Aran> Geheimnis: be extremely careful using rm -r, the slightest typo and you lose your system [if you're root at the time]  or all your files
[04:30] <Geheimnis> I really sound like a newbie tonight.. well I obviously am one, but tonight it's really obvious.. heh
[04:30] <fowlduck> does anyone know if ubuntu's dapper and breezy text installs are identical? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/I386
[04:30] <Geheimnis> Samus_Aran: yeah, I made sure I was in the right directory :)
[04:30] <BHSPitMonkey> Samus_Aran, that's a deserved punishment for someone who likes to play root all the time
[04:30] <RafaelMontano> UBUNTU ROX
[04:30] <Samus_Aran> Geheimnis: after a typo or two over the years, I tend to use a file manager to erase directory structures, as it is less prone to accident (e.g. I use "mc .", select dir with Insert, F8)
[04:31] <Geheimnis> I installed Ubuntu Server Edition on one computer so I have to learn how to work with the command prompt
[04:31] <Samus_Aran> BHSPitMonkey: well for me, I'd lose nothing important as root ... I have several hundred thousand files under my user
[04:31] <RafaelMontano>  Im installing ISP Config right now, I did the Perfect Setup http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[04:33] <ralsheb> how can i fix my hostname,i changed it (or so i thought) but messed up ,i cant sudo many things
[04:33] <Samus_Aran> while people seem to be listening in here at the moment, I have a question that's been bugging me for a few weeks.  I've tinkered with it for a while, and have come up with absolutely nothing.  I can't get fetchmail to work for the life of me
[04:33] <polpak> !hostname > ralsheb
[04:33] <Geheimnis> oh by the way, any comments about LAMP server? is it a good thing to install that instead of the "regular" installation?
[04:33] <polpak> ralsheb: you're going to have to correct the problem after booting into recovery mode
[04:34] <baconbacon> !vmware-player
[04:34] <ubotu> I know nothing about vmware-player - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:34] <Samus_Aran> oops, not fetchmail, postfix
[04:34] <baconbacon> !vmware
[04:34] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare
[04:34] <MrLightUser> I'm getting a bit frustrated. everything looks like its working.. except the networking tools keep screwing up my network.
[04:34] <Samus_Aran> I have a config file from my previous 2 distros, which has worked fine with stock fetchmail, but no matter what I do I can't get the postfix daemon to start.  and I get no errors showing up anywhere, either
[04:34] <ralsheb> polpak i tried using telinit to goto rl1 but gives me that gethostbyname error
[04:34] <Samus_Aran> s/fetchmail/postfix/g
[04:34] <MrLightUser> I have to manually enter my dns. this box resets the resolv.conf so frequently that I had to chmod 444 it
[04:34] <Samus_Aran> (I use fetchmail to pass my pop3 mail off to postfix)
[04:34] <polpak> Geheimnis: nah.. you can install the LAMP stuff in a normal install.. Though LAMP is overrated.. I like LAPR or LAPP
[04:34] <MrLightUser> so that the scripts couldn't touch it, and now it works.
[04:34] <Dimensions> hiee again ... normally how much space for swap is good ... (good not jus enuff or needed )
[04:35] <baconbacon> Dimensions: 2x the RAM + a bit
[04:35] <Samus_Aran> polpak: what are lapr and lapp ?  postgre I assume for the p
[04:35] <MrLightUser> (I am not in control over the dhcp server, and I have to use it)
[04:35] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone know why when I download and install a .deb file no desktop or startbar icons are created???
[04:35] <pinky> Hi, is there a frontend for FCE Ultra. or a NES emulator with a GUI?
[04:35] <samuli> Dimensions, two times the ram is recommended unless you have plenty of ram (more than 1 gig)
[04:35] <Geheimnis> polpak: oh ok.. I don't need much anyway.. just experimenting hehe
[04:35] <Lord_Maynoth> seems kinda retarded if you ask me
[04:35] <eric42> polpak: I would have to agree lighttpd all the way for me.
[04:36] <Geheimnis> what does LAMP stand for anyway?
[04:36] <MrLightUser> I haven't been able to disable the pointerstick. I commented out all of the relevant lines in xorg.conf.. and restarted x.. but it still freaks out and makes the mouse not work.
[04:36] <baconbacon> Linux Apache MySQL PHP
[04:36] <Samus_Aran> Dimensions: it depends entirely on your computers usage patterns.  if you have 2GiB of RAM and you only use your web browser, you're never going to touch swap.  on the other hand, if you're crazy like me you can use gigs of swap even with 1.25GiB of RAM
[04:36] <fowlduck> Linux Apache MySQL PHP
[04:36] <MrLightUser> I can disable my touchpad.. but that works!
[04:40] <ralsheb> if my sudo is all messed up how do i change my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname?
[04:40] (tale/#ubuntu) WTF?  Where are all these users coming from?
[04:41] <polpak> a couple of the servers died I think
[04:41] <Milchmann> the server did kick me ;)
[04:41] <polpak> Samus_Aran:  as I was about to say LAPR (Linux Apache PostgreSQL Ruby)  or LAPP (Linux Apache, PostgreSQL Python) are superior to LAMP IMO (I prefer Python, but Ruby is ok)
[04:41] <Lord_Maynoth> anyone know why .deb files don't create icons on desktop/startbar
[04:41] <Krhis> Where are here to get YOU tale! XD
[04:41] <FunnyLookinHat> that was pleasant
[04:41] <sharky> what is the most gui library for linux?
[04:41] <duckx0r> welcome back everyone :D
[04:41] <mazurskie> wtf?
[04:41] <sharky> what is the most efficient gui library for linux?
[04:41] <Krhis> Split.
[04:42] <Krhis> sharky, I read your first question.
[04:42] <ralsheb> how do i change a file that needs sudo when my sudo is messed up b/c hostnames in hosts and hostname file differ
[04:42] <sharky> Krhis, yeah sorry forgot an important word...
[04:42] <Sirrush> Hey guys wondering how you guys feel about Edgy?
[04:42] <Krhis> Ah, it's cool then.
[04:42] <sharky> Krhis,  what is the most efficient gui library?
[04:43] <Lord_Maynoth> ding ding ding ding
[04:43] <Krhis> Any suggestions on how to restore gedit's default?
[04:43] <Samus_Aran> sharky: "xlib" ... but it's not particularly viable
[04:44] <cpaek72> anyone here run the 7800gtx go mobile card from nvidia with ubuntu?
[04:44] <Samus_Aran> Krhis: erase or move your ~/.gedit/ folder
[04:44] <ralsheb> if my sudo is messed up how can i change a hostname file that requires sudo?
[04:45] <ljlolel> why is there no documentation for multiple edit_inline's in my own custom forms?
[04:45] <Samus_Aran> ralsheb: the easiest way is to boot into your Ubuntu Live Installer CD
[04:45] <polpak> Samus_Aran: python is much more clear, extensable, and concise than php IMO
[04:45] <Krhis> Samus_Aran, yes I know that. I searched my home dir and deleted everything with gedit-2 in its name hoping it would restore.
[04:45] <tale> has anyone got nxserver desktop edition working with dapper?
[04:45] <Krhis> There in no ~/.gedit/ :(
[04:45] <polpak> ralsheb: I said already you'll need to boot into recovery mode.. when you restart your computer you hit esc and select it from the menu
[04:45] <Krhis> Samus_Aran, and yes, I'm not a noob. ^^
[04:46] <eric42> Here is a tough one.  Does anyone now how to automate module-assistant to auto-install when you install new kernels?
[04:46] <Krhis> Samus_Aran, the problem seems to be with gconf. That's what I'm asking about.
[04:46] <Lord_Maynoth> does anyone here know why .deb files dont install icons for the program
[04:46] <Samus_Aran> Krhis: okay.  I have a ~/.gedit/ directory, I used tab-completion in my IRC client =p
[04:47] <polpak> Lord_Maynoth: because the package maintainer didn't include them. you can make some yourself if you like
[04:47] <eric42> Lord_Maynoth: they should if they were prepared properly by the maintainer.
[04:47] <Krhis> Lord_Maynoth, if it's package is compiled correctly it will have icons. Are you searching in the right places?
[04:47] <Lord_Maynoth> well they were for ubuntu I have tried several different .deb files
[04:47] <Lord_Maynoth> i just download the forstwire deb
[04:47] <Lord_Maynoth> it installed but no icons
[04:47] <Krhis> LoneShadow, again; are you searching in the right places?
[04:47] <Lord_Maynoth> I will just stick with automatix i guess
[04:48] <shwag> does ubuntu have ntpdate auto running somewhere ?
[04:48] <Krhis> nb then. >.>
[04:48] <Lord_Maynoth> from the developers site
[04:48] <Krhis> Samus_Aran, ah ok ^^.
[04:48] <LoneShadow> Krhis: what do you mean ?
[04:48] <Samus_Aran> so does anyone know how I can possibly get postfix to run on Ubuntu ?  if I install the package fresh, it doesn't install /etc/init.d/postfix (even if I delete this file manually, it won't reinstall it) and if I use an old copy of the postfix script it still won't run, and won't produce any error messages
[04:48] <sharky-> what is the most efficient gui library for linux?
[04:48] <Krhis> LoneShadow, the icons.
[04:48] <LoneShadow> err
[04:48] <LoneShadow> I didnt ask anything about icons :)
[04:49] <Samus_Aran> I've no idea why postfix is so totally not willing to run for me on Ubuntu
[04:49] <LoneShadow> "anyone installed a livecd onto a 1gb usb drive ?"
[04:49] <LoneShadow> this is what I asked
[04:49] <nalioth> Samus_Aran: try #postfix
[04:49] <Krhis> LoneShadow, sorry, didn't hit tab enough. :P
[04:49] <Sirrush> So anyone here running edgy?
[04:49] <dli> LoneShadow, I couldn't get it work for ubuntu
[04:49] <LoneShadow> for a moment I thought someone answered my question :)
[04:49] <LoneShadow> dli: so are using dsl ?
[04:49] <LoneShadow> you*
[04:50] <cpaek72> guys, i really need some help with my 7800gtx go card. I can't get 3d to work on my ubuntu setup and every time i install the nvidia drivers from automatix, they leave my screen blank. I am running a 64bit amd  machine with the 7800gtx go card. Any ideas where I can get the correct driver?
[04:50] <dli> LoneShadow, no, I installed gentoo on it, 500MB, with gnome
[04:50] <sproingie> sharky-: most cpu-efficient, probably enlightenment.  as for developer productivity, it depends.  mostly a matter of personal preference
[04:50] <LoneShadow> hmm
[04:50] <LoneShadow> dli: what problem did you have ?
[04:50] <dli> LoneShadow, with ubuntu livecd, the initrd script seeks only cd-rom, not usb
[04:51] <LoneShadow> in my case, I have different embedded system which runs on a 1GB CF card, so trying to load onto it
[04:51] <LoneShadow> aah, there is a howto to fix that issue :P
[04:51] <LoneShadow> but is the gentoo installation very straight forward ?
[04:52] <Sirrush> mmm no
[04:52] <rjordan> loneshadow, no, not really. the folks in #gentoo can assist though.
[04:52] <dli> LoneShadow, I can take the ubuntu livecd, use my kernel, recreate the squashfs, it should work
[04:52] <LoneShadow> dli: yea
[04:52] <dli> LoneShadow, gentoo has better docs than ubuntu
[04:52] <LoneShadow> dli: I am going try ubuntu livecd once
[04:52] <Sirrush> LoneShadow,  depends on the stage install you do
[04:53] <Sirrush> stage 4 iirc is a regular install
[04:53] <filemover> hi does it generally take a long time to partition a hard drive
[04:53] <dli> LoneShadow, you may try, maybe they already fixed the initrd scripts
[04:53] <ralsheb> how can i change runlevels without sudo?
[04:53] <Sirrush> others you compule all your software and can be a pain
[04:53] <sproingie> filemover: resizing a partition can take a while
[04:53] <rjordan> filemover, no, unless it's reallly big.
[04:53] <LoneShadow> Sirrush: my box is a msntv box with hacked bios and modified stage2 file
[04:53] <filemover> ok
[04:53] <dli> filemover, partitioning is only about partition table, so takes no time
[04:53] <sproingie> filemover: otherwise it's nearly instantaneous
[04:53] <filemover> its about 17 GB
[04:53] <brownegg> ubuntu doesn't include a gui file manager with the base packages?
[04:54] <dli> brownegg, nautilus
[04:54] <sharky-> sproingie, well usually i'd care about usability and portability but I want the gui to be extremely effiecient and take very little memory
[04:54] <brownegg> hmm
[04:54] <LoneShadow> I can load linux, but getting to make the dsl distro is a pain, so will try with ubuntu later
[04:54] <filemover> its resizing i think
[04:54] <Sirrush> So I am figuring you know what you are doing LoneShadow
[04:54] <sproingie> filemover: if you're resizing a partition with existing data, it effectively has to defrag that part first
[04:54] <filemover> ok
[04:54] <filemover> i get it
[04:54] <rjordan> Can someone assist me with a udev issue?
[04:54] <filemover> there seems to be a lot of activity
[04:54] <LoneShadow> I kinda know, being a lil lazy to do the extra configs for my setup :P
[04:54] <rjordan> My NIC is consistently renamed to eth0_temp upon reboot. I've deleted my z25persistent-net.rules that told it to do that, rebooted, and still it is renamed. In addition, the MAC addresses for both eth0 and eth1 are reset to the same incorrect numbers everytime. um... help?
[04:54] <dli> LoneShadow, the initrd must be able to locate the booting device, that's the problem, you couldn't use " root=/dev/sda1"
[04:54] <brownegg> dli, where is that?  seems it should be included in the system dropdown menu
[04:55] <sproingie> sharky-: qt and gtk both have embedded versions that are leaner on memory than their desktop counterparts
[04:55] <LoneShadow> dli: for my setup, root will be /dev/hda2
[04:55] <dli> brownegg, click folders on your desktop, that's nautilus
[04:55] <Sirrush> So any of you guys running Ubuntu Edgy or no?
[04:55] <brownegg> hmm ok
[04:55] <dli> LoneShadow, then, it won't work, if you plug it in another box
[04:55] <sharky-> sproingie, will the embedded version still run on desktops?
[04:56] <LoneShadow> dli: I will be installing on a Compact flash card and it will sit inside the msntv box
[04:56] <LoneShadow> so its not problem :D
[04:56] <samuli> Sirrush, join #ubuntu+1
[04:56] <LoneShadow> so its not a problem :D
[04:56] <sproingie> sharky-: of course.  interoperating with other gnome or qt apps might be tricky, since they won't link in the full complement of libs
[04:57] <Sirrush> samuli,  Thanks buddy :)
[04:57] <kintaro> hi guys..i have a 1400x1050 monitor resolution..but after installing ubuntu..and check on resolution preferences..its just 1280x1024.how to enable my 1400x1050..i have a inte 945GM chipset and integrated vga..
[04:57] <Samus_Aran> nalioth: this is an Ubuntu package problem.  I've been using the same postfix configuration over 2 distros and 3 installs without issue
[04:57] <sharky-> sproingie, i see i'll have to check out how much better the embedded version is
[04:57] <Samus_Aran> nalioth: I just can't get Ubuntu's postfix to do anything at all
[04:58] <nalioth> Samus_Aran: have you filed a bug on this?
[04:58] <sproingie> sharky-: you probably wont notice much difference on a desktop, since you're probably rendering it to X anyway
[04:59] <sproingie> sharky-: most of the savings of the embedded toolkits comes from rendering to the framebuffer
[04:59] <sproingie> sharky-: that and they're usually compiled with -Os instead of -O2
[05:00] <rjordan> Doesn't anyone have an idea??
[05:00] <nbx909> hey
[05:00] <nbx909> i need to clone an ubuntu hd to and other hd
[05:00] <nbx909> gparted won't copy it 1:!
[05:00] <nbx909> 1:1*
[05:00] <Krhis> Any suggestions on how to restore gedit's defaults?
[05:00] <rjordan> nbx909: if you need 1:1 you can use 'dd'.
[05:01] <nbx909> rjordan, the whole drive?
[05:01] <nbx909> and mbr
[05:01] <sharky-> sproingie, i'm not sure if rendering to the framebuffer is going to be enough of a saving to warrent using the embedded version
[05:01] <Krhis> (hint: gconf issue?)
[05:01] <rjordan> nbx909, if you're in a livecd and neither is mounted and the drives are identical you should, in theory, be able to dd one to the other.
[05:01] <klees> is there a way i can change Rythmbox from being a preferred app????
[05:02] <rjordan> it would copy every bit
[05:02] <nbx909> rjordan, okay what would be the command?
[05:02] <klees> i would like Amarok instead
[05:02] <sharky-> sproingie, also found a few sources on optimizing gtk+ code
[05:02] <sproingie> sharky-: not likely to be much difference if you change the defaults to using typical desktop libs anyway.  mostly compiler flags, leaving out optional features, linking with uclibc instead of glibc, etc
[05:02] <rjordan> dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
[05:02] <[NP] Tangent> ugh, JACK isn't starting... any ideas why this might be?
[05:02] <sproingie> sharky-: something you'd probably want to do in a chroot.  still worth a shot
[05:02] <nbx909> rjordan, and that will copy the mbr as well?
[05:03] <DBO> filemover, remove your now playing script
[05:03] <sproingie> np: Culture Club - Karma Chameleon
[05:03] <nbx909> heh
[05:03] <sproingie> np: New Kids on the Block - Hanging Tough
[05:03] <sproingie> oh damn
[05:03] <deFrysk> ?
[05:03] <rjordan> yes, -> http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?dd
[05:03] <DBO> sproingie, same to you
[05:04] <sproingie> DBO: as if that was real 8-/
[05:04] <nbx909> rjordan, okay thank you
[05:04] <DBO> sproingie, sorry, but funny detector needs some work =P
[05:04] <rjordan> nbx909, NP.
[05:04] <Judas_Himself> someone mentioned that with mplayers mozilla plugin you could save streaming video to your hard drive
[05:04] <Judas_Himself> can anyone help me with that?
[05:05] <slowz3r> How can i access my other HDD thats runnin windows so i can transfer files oveR?
[05:06] <notamisfit> if pmount isn't picking it up, make a fstab entry, type ntfs and mount it
[05:07] <brownegg> so i'm going thru synaptic, looking for packages to remove
[05:07] <DBO> filemover, you can let one of the ops know when you have turned off your script
[05:07] <rjordan> Help please...
[05:07] <brownegg> and i pick stuff like lao language support and it claims it's going to remove ubuntu desktop too
[05:07] <brownegg> that doesn't seem cool
[05:07] <sproingie> brownegg: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package
[05:08] <sproingie> brownegg: removing it just means you're no longer tracking the standard build.  this shouldn't ever be a problem
[05:08] <brownegg> ahhh ok
[05:08] <brownegg> thanks
[05:08] <ralsheb> should i be able to mount my hdd that runs ubuntu from the recovery cd?
[05:08] <brownegg> i'm like, damn!
[05:08] <DarkElf109> Anyone here know hot do get Remote Desktop (vino) working with AIGLX/Compiz? I think I've narrowed it down to xdamage, but I can't figure out a way to disable it
[05:09] <DarkElf109> how to*
[05:11] <tga> hey, how can I identify what process has a port open?
[05:12] <tga> netstat -p doesn't show anything
[05:12] <DosBubba>    -p, --program
[05:12] <DosBubba>        Show the PID and name of the program to which each socket belongs.
[05:12] <DosBubba> Adding -p should show something. :/
[05:12] <DarkElf109> Anyone here know how to get Remote Desktop (vino) working with AIGLX/Compiz? I think I've narrowed it down to xdamage, but I can't figure out a way to disable it
[05:13] <tga> DosBubba, it shows "-"
[05:13] <DosBubba> tga, What's the full command you're typing?
[05:13] <tga> lsof isn't very helpful either
[05:13] <tga> DosBubba, netstat -apn
[05:14] <tga> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:57467           <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     -
[05:15] <DosBubba> tga, Are  you running it as root or a normal user?
[05:15] <tga> DosBubba, sudo
[05:15] <ColdFyre>  20:15:56 up 5 days, 20:38,  3 users,  load average: 16.02, 5.63, 2.35
[05:16] <RafaelMontano> How do I add a mysql database?
[05:16] <tga> RafaelMontano, read the mysql tutorial in the manual
[05:16] <DosBubba> tga, I'm guessing it's listening in kernel space then.
[05:16] <tga> DosBubba, great, so what is it?
[05:18] <tga> oh well, gotta move
[05:18] <tga> thanks DosBubba
[05:18] <nbx909> hello
[05:18] <Pontius_PiRate> howdy
[05:18] <FunnyLookinHat> !wine
[05:18] <nbx909> it errors
[05:19] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on GNU/Linux.  Any good news for a low-end laptop user? :P
[05:21] <FunnyLookinHat> acebo, err.. don't try I already did  ^_^;;
[05:21] <Kr0ntab> so does anyone know if one can use linux based OBEX tools (or some other method) with the RAZR phone to transfer files back and forth?
[05:21] <DarkElf109> acebo: I'm running AIGLX/Compiz. I love it
[05:21] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, with Intel graphics?!
[05:21] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: i915 =)
[05:21] <acebo> haha
[05:21] <Kr0ntab> not really ubuntu specific... but eh...
[05:21] <FunnyLookinHat> Holy crap!  I have 915 I should give it another try!
[05:21] <FunnyLookinHat> acebo, go for it man!
[05:22] <DarkElf109> AIGLX is the key
[05:22] <DarkElf109> Can't run on nVidia, but runs like a dream on lower end stuff
[05:22] <FunnyLookinHat> !AIGLX
[05:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about AIGLX - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:22] <FunnyLookinHat> What is AIGLX as opposed to XGL?
[05:22] <DarkElf109> Just search in the forums for it...there's a guide with somewhere between 70 and 150 pages...that's the one I followed, word for word
[05:22] <DBO> FunnyLookinHat, AIGLX is an extension of Xorg, Xgl runs on top of Xorg, both provide an OpenGL rendering layer for the desktop
[05:22] <DarkElf109> No idea how it relates. Just takes its place, somehow
[05:23] <FunnyLookinHat> DBO, ahh ok.   Thanks man!
[05:23] <DarkElf109> Oh, well, now I'm informed =)
[05:24] <DarkElf109> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145068&highlight=aiglx
[05:24] <lwizardl> how come it takes hp printers using cups forever to print? just says processing...
[05:24] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, thanks man
[05:24] <DarkElf109> Oh, and use the quinn versions, not vanilla. Lots of optimizations
[05:24] <DarkElf109> Eh, no problem. I was as surprised as you were when it worked =P
[05:24] <FunnyLookinHat> ubotu, AIGLX is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145068&highlight=aiglx
[05:24] <notamisfit> it has to go through all the hplip crap
[05:24] <FunnyLookinHat> ,AIGLX is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=145068&highlight=aiglx
[05:24] <FunnyLookinHat> DBO, Do you have rights to create an entry for something on the bot?
[05:24] <DBO> FunnyLookinHat, I do not
[05:25] <DBO> FunnyLookinHat, mostly because I havent asked for it
[05:25] <FunnyLookinHat> DBO,  : )
[05:25] <DBO> FunnyLookinHat, Ill add that to the #ubuntu-xgl topic
[05:25] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: Only thing not working in AIGLX right now, as far as I know, is that the Water plugin doesn't work
[05:26] <FunnyLookinHat> DBO, good call
[05:26] <DarkElf109> Probably because it relies on pixel shaders, but, hen again, I haven't peeked at the code, so, just a guess
[05:26] <DarkElf109> then*
[05:26] <DarkElf109> Bah...can't type tonight
[05:26] <DBO> DarkElf109, Water does use pixel shaders
[05:26] <DBO> DarkElf109, also the new frag and copacity plugins (not even in quinn yet) use pixel shaders
[05:27] <DarkElf109> DBO: Explains why they're not in quinn yet
[05:27] <DBO> DarkElf109, they are not in quinn because they are not stable yet, quinn is not opposed to pixel shaders
[05:27] <DBO> I mean they are not even close to semi-stable
[05:28] <phunkalicious> someone please help me: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1253550&postcount=6 :(
[05:28] <phunkalicious> i have tried so hard to get this to work :(
[05:28] <DarkElf109> DBO: Oh, well, ok then...I've not read much on his philosophies, but it seemed to me to be a viable reason not to include them.
[05:29] <acebo> Well, it'd be cool to play around with the 3D but.. man, I just got Ubuntu tweaked just where I like it.. I don't think I'll mess with it for a little bit :P
[05:29] <DBO> DarkElf109, quinn is a she =P  And the pixel shaders will be required for more advanced plugins, somethings like blur will need them
[05:29] <doughboy> Which is better in everyones opinion if you need to run an microsoft office xp. Codeweaver's Crossover or VMware ?  Which one does the best job?
[05:29] <wizzlefish> how do you force quit an application?
[05:30] <DarkElf109> DBO: Well, see? I'm totally uninformed, and now, fairly certain that my advances into the realm of OpenGL rendering on my desktop are at a stand-still
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> doughboy, you could try wine  : )
[05:30] <DBO> wizzlefish, from terminal killall program
[05:30] <FunnyLookinHat> Though I don't know how well it works.
[05:30] <phunkalicious> well crossover doesn't do outlook i'm pretty sure :|
[05:30] <DarkElf109> wizzlefish: From the command line: killall -9 program
[05:30] <polpak> doughboy: vmware will have fewer issues, but will require you to actually have a windows license
[05:30] <DBO> DarkElf109, no, compiz does recognize many users do not have pixel shaders, and furthermore lots of effects simply dont call for them
[05:31] <DarkElf109> doughboy: VMWare is an outright machine emulator. It'll work flawlessly, yeah, but you need a windows license
[05:31] <sasquatch> hey, does anyone know why the single core kernel would work with my wireless card but not the dual core?
[05:31] <polpak> doughboy: also, I don't see the incentive to using office xp in the first place since theres open office and Evolution
[05:31] <sasquatch> the drivers are there... it just doesn't detect the interface
[05:32] <cypherdust> i need some help with apt-get
[05:32] <cypherdust> i tried to install vmware
[05:32] <DarkElf109> DBO: True, but at this point, from what I've seen, the modules are moving closer to the gimmicky side than the usability side. The cube setup, if anything, finally got me to use virtual desktops effectively
[05:32] <phunkalicious> but evolution vs outlook? come on now...
[05:32] <cypherdust> and something went wrong
[05:32] <DarkElf109> DBO: Even if the newer ones can run on my system, I'm not even sure if I want to run them =P
[05:32] <cypherdust> now it ask to config everytime i install
[05:32] <cypherdust> is there a way to get rid of the config apt is running
[05:32] <FunnyLookinHat> doughboy, you could always use VMWare with ReactOS
[05:32] <FunnyLookinHat> doughboy, that's free & free
[05:33] <DBO> DarkElf109, some of them are, but a lot of them are moving towards useful things like blurred transparency.  You have to move in baby steps with this kind of thing
[05:33] <doughboy> Cool. Thanks FunnyLookinHat
[05:33] <DarkElf109> DBO: Well, I'll see how it progresses...In the meantime, I'll spend another half hour a day playign with the wobbly windows
[05:33] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: How's ReactOS coming along? I've heard a bit about it, but never really checked it out
[05:34] <wubrgamer> hey guys
[05:34] <wubrgamer> issue
[05:34] <wubrgamer> plelas
[05:34] <whyami> cypherdust: I'm not sure I understand the problem but if solving it includes finding an app and killing it, you can always find the app with the command "ps auxw". Then find the process # and do "sudo kill <proc #>"
[05:34] <phunkalicious> one sentence per line plz :/
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, It's come VERY fary in the past year.  : )  I think it will be "stable" and usable within the next 1-2 years
[05:34] <wubrgamer> sry
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, then again, I consider most "unstable" packages and releases good enough for me
[05:34] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: Hrm...I'll have to try it out then...Time to add another CD to the stack of linux disks I need to try =P
[05:34] <phunkalicious> no i think he means everytime he runs apt-get it asks him to keep configuring something with dpkg :|
[05:34] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, it's still safer to use an unstable linux install vs. windoze
[05:34] <wubrgamer> i tried to connect to an ftp server, and well, i can't get rid of the entry
[05:35] <wubrgamer> so i've got these weird icons
[05:35] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: I run my web/smb/time/tor/UT2004 server on Debian unstable...I live for the bleeding edge =)
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, hahhaaha (well it's not linux, it's a full re-write of the windows OS)
[05:35] <cypherdust> whyami, the problem is apt-get is tryin to finish installing vmware
[05:35] <wubrgamer> in my places menu, that i don't know how to delete
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, very nice  :)
[05:35] <cypherdust> whyami, i dont want it to do that
[05:35] <wubrgamer> HOW DO I DELETE THEM ?
[05:35] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: Well, open source reverse engineer of Windows done from shoddy developer docs, but yeah, still open source
[05:35] <cypherdust> whyami, but it wont stop config'n it
[05:35] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, heck yes  : )
[05:36] <whyami> cypherdust: I have no idea.   Everything else is on your own.
[05:37] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , oh, that sounds like the liveCD install to me.
[05:38] <Stoned2daBones> I'm a new linux usr and I would like to learn to host my websites in my pc usind a cable connection (DHCP)
[05:38] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: Isn't there an ubuntu-minimal package?
[05:38] <[Ex0r] > im looking for something very minimal, so I can install the rest of the stuff myself. (Apache, mysql, php, etc)
[05:38] <passbe> does anyone know how to switch a workplace via console ?
[05:38] <slowz3r> hey
[05:38] <FunnyLookinHat> DarkElf109, I didn't know if there was/wasn't.  And if there is I'm not sure what it iinstalls
[05:38] <DarkElf109> Stoned2daBones: Have you checked with your ISp's AUP to make sure that you're allowed to run servers?
[05:38] <phunkalicious> get the ubuntu server cd :/
[05:38] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , then you want ubuntu server
[05:38] <whyami> Stoned2daBones: you are going to want to check out no-ip.com to deal with DHCP. At least that's one possibility....
[05:38] <sproingie> judging from browsing the packages, ubuntu-server will install a kernel appropriate for servers
[05:39] <slowz3r> How do i access my other harddrive that has windows on it?????
[05:39] <sproingie> so it won't be as snappy for X apps
[05:39] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , I can walk you through getting a GUI interface if you need one
[05:39] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Read only, or read/write?
[05:39] <TalentedChimp> slowz3r windows xp?
[05:39] <Stoned2daBones> yeah I checked already
[05:39] <[Ex0r] > doesn't that only install ubuntu, without x and gnome ?
[05:39] <acebo> Walking through == "Here's the webpage link! Call me in the morning!" :P
[05:39] <[Ex0r] > seems like ubuntu would give you the option of what to install at the beginning
[05:39] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , yea, but it's very easy to get a basic X/Gnome after that..  It's just one or two lines in the console
[05:40] <Froglegsburn> hello
[05:40] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, i just need to be able to copy files over
[05:40] <TalentedChimp> slowz3r: ntfs or fat file system?
[05:40] <acebo> [Ex0r] : Kinda the draw to Ubuntu, I think, almost 0-config
[05:40] <Stoned2daBones> no-ip and dns2go
[05:40] <whyami> DarkElf109, Stoned2daBones: I had no idea some ISP didn't allow this. So what exactly does it mean if they don't allow servers?  None of them actually do that, though =)
[05:40] <Stoned2daBones> i dont think so
[05:40] <acebo> Froglegsburn: Ubuntu, and not just because you're in the channel.
[05:40] <DarkElf109> FunnyLookinHat: Ubuntu, of course =)
[05:40] <[Ex0r] > FunnyLookinHat- I'm running a private server for myself, but am also using the system as a desktop.
[05:40] <codecaine> sls
[05:40] <TalentedChimp> slow3er: very difficult, linux doesn't natively support ntfs
[05:40] <FunnyLookinHat> whyami, They usually don't catch/care if you have just a basic server...  but if they do notice or care, they'll just send you a nice letter and you just have to change the port you are hosting on
[05:40] <acebo> Froglegsburn: I've tried both of the most recent releases, Ubuntu wins, hands down
[05:41] <Froglegsburn> why?
[05:41] <[Ex0r] > but I am doing a complete re-install, and don't want to deal with stuff already being installed as I try to install other stuff
[05:41] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ?
[05:41] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: mount -t ntfs /dev/<hda1> /mnt/whatever
[05:41] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , then I'd go for ubuntu-server and just install the X/Gnome in console.  It's easy, trust me.  A lot of people in here (myself included) would be willing to help
[05:41] <TalentedChimp> slowz3r: it would be simpler and safer to put a small fat partition in windows
[05:41] <[Ex0r] > FunnyLookinHat- Except I have no way of communicating with any of you during that time
[05:41] <Stoned2daBones> is there any other way rather than no-ip.com to deal with dhcp?
[05:41] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , oh no second computer?
[05:41] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , where do you live?
[05:41] <[Ex0r] > nope
[05:41] <acebo> Froglegsburn: Hrm.. package management is better, general automation is better. Docs and support I've found to be alot easier.. and seems like by sheer popularity, alot of problems have already been solved on 6.06 Ubuntu
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > FunnyLookinHat- usa
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , yes, what state?  michigan
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> ?
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > Isn't x and gnome on the repositories ?
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > yeah
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> yup
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > in the repositories*
[05:42] <sproingie> ubuntu 6.06 is also damn snappy with the preemptible kernel
[05:42] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, hda1 no such file or directory
[05:42] <MrKeuner> hi, I am having trouble with the ati hardware I have in my thinkpad. It looks like I have a very sloow 3d. For example when I click on the trashbin the animation is slow. Where should I start checking? thanks
[05:42] <FunnyLookinHat> How close are you to chicago?  : )
[05:42] <dash> can you update java through apt-get?
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > so than once server gets installed, you should just be able to apt-get install gnome
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > ?
[05:42] <[Ex0r] > FunnyLookinHat- about 4 hours
[05:42] <whyami> Stoned2daBones: what's your issue with no-ip.com?
[05:42] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Well, I take that back. That's JUST for copying files FROM Windows TO Ubuntu. And I meant for you to put whatever partition the Windows install was on in there
[05:43] <polpak> dash: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin && sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:43] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, thats all i need to do is copy em over from windows to ubuntu
[05:43] <Stoned2daBones> Y wanna hist my websites on my pc using a cablemodem
[05:43] <MrKeuner> help
[05:43] <Stoned2daBones> host*
[05:43] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Ok. Step 1 is to figure out where the Windows partition is
[05:43] <MrKeuner> !help
[05:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:43] <Froglegsburn> is all the software i have under suse available on ubuntu or easy to obtain?
[05:43] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , well if it comes down to it, I'm looking for a reason to drive to michigan in the next week or so to visit some people, I could swing by and walk you through it...   I know it's a long shot but still an offer
[05:43] <Froglegsburn> like cannon smash lol
[05:44] <whyami> Stoned2daBones: and you can do that using no-ip.com to forward from its address to your DHCP address.
[05:44] <DarkElf109> Froglegsburn: Probably. Lots of repositories available, official and non
[05:44] <Stoned2daBones> yeap
[05:44] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Do you know your hard drive layout?
[05:44] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, and what do u mean by that
[05:44] <[Ex0r] > FunnyLookinHat lol whoops, I didn't mean to PM you asking for permission to PM you, that was meant for in the channel :)
[05:44] <Froglegsburn> does mozilla work with ubuntu?
[05:44] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, on the drive with windows?
[05:44] <sproingie> Froglegsburn: of course
[05:45] <FunnyLookinHat> [Ex0r] , no worries, use PM if it helps you
[05:45] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Well, in general. Which hard drive, which partition.
[05:45] <SurfnKid> Finally i got the i8k utiliy running
[05:45] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ya i know where it is..its on its own seperate drive
[05:45] <SurfnKid> now Im completely satisfied with linux
[05:45] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: For example, hda1 is first hard drive, first partition. hda2 is 1st drive, 2nd partition. hdb1 is 2nd drive, first partition
[05:46] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Well, actually, another question: Is it IDE, SATA, or USB?
[05:46] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, SATA
[05:46] <DarkElf109> Ah. There's the key =)
[05:46] <DarkElf109> Which drive/partition is windows installed on?
[05:47] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, it has its own drive but i dont know what it would be like if its hda1 or whatever
[05:47] <s|k> is there an easy way to test ram?
[05:48] <s|k> to see if there are any issues with my ram?
[05:48] <SurfnKid> s|k, memtest on boot
[05:48] <s|k> I'm sorry?
[05:48] <rredd4> I just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.15-26-386, when I open menu.lst, I see 2.6.15-23 and 2.6.15-26.  When I reboot, I only see 2.6.15-26.  What do I need to do to use 2.6.15-26?  grub not updated?
[05:48] <SurfnKid> rredd4, sudo update-grub
[05:48] <s|k> SurfnKid: how do I do that?
[05:48] <SurfnKid> open up a Virtual Terminal
[05:48] <rredd4> SurfKid ok ty
[05:49] <SurfnKid> np
[05:49] <s|k> ok
[05:49] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ??
[05:49] <s|k> SurfnKid: how do I do a memtest?
[05:50] <gmoore> if i do a server installation of Ubuntu, and i have a windows machine running XWin32, will i be able to run graphical apps on my Ubuntu system and have them display on the windows system (such as ddd)? or do i need some sort of window manager running in Ubuntu, like gnome?
[05:50] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Sorry bout that
[05:50] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, np
[05:50] <SurfnKid> if youre done with updating grub, itll also place a memtest path to test your ram
[05:50] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Go to System>Administration>Disks, then find the hard disk and partition with the NTFS format
[05:50] <SurfnKid> close everything, reboot, and choose memtestx86
[05:50] <polpak> gmoore: you should be able to push the output to your windows box
[05:50] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Err, System > Administration > Gnome partition Editor, sorry
[05:51] <AlexThreeTwoThre> Hi guys
[05:51] <gmoore> okay, thanks. also, what is the difference between the ubuntu cd (700mb) and dvd (3.2gb)? what extra is included?
[05:51] <DarkElf109> AlexThreeTwoThre: Heya
[05:51] <AlexThreeTwoThre> I'm in ubuntu
[05:51] <AlexThreeTwoThre> and this rectangle thing came up
[05:51] <DarkElf109> gmoore: Whole lot of packages
[05:51] <DosBubba> AlexThreeTwoThre, What's it look like?
[05:52] <AlexThreeTwoThre> DosBubba: well, it's uh, rectangular, and it has one of those triangle things like /_\ with a ! in the middle
[05:52] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, there is no gnome partition editor
[05:52] <polpak> gmoore: there's "less" to download in terms of packages. But really since many things need updates it doesn't matter much
[05:52] <DosBubba> AlexThreeTwoThre, Oh, I'm not sure what that is. Maybe someone else knows.
[05:52] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Alright. Go into synaptic and install 'gparted'. It's an awesome partition editor =)
[05:52] <AlexThreeTwoThre> ok
[05:52] <AlexThreeTwoThre> does anybody else know what this box thing is?
[05:52] <meishiwan> hi,everybody
[05:53] <DarkElf109> AlexThreeTwoThre: Is there any writing in it?
[05:53] <lucas-> what were you doing when you got it?
[05:53] <AlexThreeTwoThre> no, it's just a /_\ ! box thing
[05:53] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it takes up most the screen
[05:53] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it's rather annoying
[05:53] <DarkElf109> AlexThreeTwoThre: Sounds like a bugged error box
[05:53] <AlexThreeTwoThre> lucas-: I was um, well I might as well say my friend pasted me a link to goatse, and then firefox opened then this happened
[05:53] <meishiwan> is there everybody can tell me how to install the Debian Menu?
[05:53] <DarkElf109> Woohoo! Javascript!
[05:53] <rredd4> SurfKid I meant to say that I only see 2.6.15-23 when I reboot.  I did sudo update-grub, it showed 23 and 26.  I rebooted and I stll only see 23
[05:54] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: was it from Firefox?
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> no
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it's separate
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> i cloed firefox now
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it won't go away
[05:54] <nsasch> what program is it from?
[05:54] <DarkElf109> Hrm
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it doesn't show
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> it's just a big blank box with /!\ in it
[05:54] <polpak> AlexThreeTwoThre: did you try logging out?
[05:54] <nsasch> did Firefox work? did you see goatse in all its "glory?"
[05:54] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, how long should it take for gnome partition editor to scann all devices when i open it up
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> polpak: yes, I've restarted three times
[05:54] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: indeed it did
[05:54] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Just a couple seconds
[05:55] <s|k> ok how do I test my ram?
[05:55] <s|k> anyone?
[05:55] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, well its kinda take a while
[05:55] <DarkElf109> s|k: Run memtest
[05:55] <s|k> I think I'm having ram issues
[05:55] <AlexThreeTwoThre> s|k: memtest86
[05:55] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Just let it do its thing. Should finish up after a bit
[05:55] <s|k> just type 'memtest' ? that didn't work for me
[05:55] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: you said " a big blank box with /!\ in it", did the triangle have a bottom?
[05:55] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: yea, but I don't know how to make bottoms
[05:55] <nsasch> oh okay, just making sure.
[05:55] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, well ill get back to u if and when it finishes and if it doesnt
[05:56] <LoneShadow> which is the most light weight ubuntu breezy distro ?
[05:56] <AlexThreeTwoThre> so
[05:56] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: when you restart, do you have to visit goatse again or does it just pop up?
[05:56] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: If it doesn't, close it and open it again
[05:56] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: it just pops up
[05:56] <s|k> memtest isn't workinf for me
[05:56] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: it's rather annoying
[05:56] <[Ex0r] > what package do you guys recommend for a mail server ?
[05:56] <nsasch> which version of goatse did you go to?
[05:56] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: um, I think it was saix.be
[05:56] <AlexThreeTwoThre> oh also
[05:56] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ok ill try now
[05:57] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: sudo apt-get install menu
[05:57] <DosBubba> AlexThreeTwoThre, I guess try visiting another goatse site might cancel it out.
[05:57] <AlexThreeTwoThre> I was in X-Chat, and he kept saying this "DCC SEND HAXHAXHAXHAXALEXISACOCKSUCKER 0 0 0" and it kept disconnecting me
[05:57] <rredd4> I did sudo update-grub, it showed kernel 2.6.15-23 and 26.  I rebooted and I stll only see 23.  how do I fix this so I can use 26?  23 and 26 are in menu.lst.
[05:57] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ya i dont think its gunna work at all
[05:57] <DosBubba> AlexThreeTwoThre, Unless it's lilo's global notices in XChat.
[05:57] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, :/
[05:57] <lucas-> hahahaha
[05:57] <AlexThreeTwoThre> DosBubba: I think that might be it
[05:57] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Hrm. Alright. Was Windows on the first and/or only partition on the drive?
[05:58] <brownegg> anyone know if you can suppress join/part in xchat?
[05:58] <AlexThreeTwoThre> DosBubba: does it have anything to do with lilo being a huge noob?
[05:58] <tristil> I've seen complaints about this on the web, but no resolution: you create a wheels group, you add the wheel group to /etc/sudoers, you add a user to wheel, you su to that user, you sudo, you fill in the password, then nothing.
[05:58] <slowz3r> DarkElf109, ya it is
[05:58] <AlexThreeTwoThre> ahhhh
[05:58] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: I read something about spyware in Ubuntu, maybe that's it?
[05:58] <s|k> I think I'm just going to start crying
[05:58] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: whaT?
[05:59] <lucas-> why is that s|k
[05:59] <AlexThreeTwoThre> GUYS
[05:59] <AlexThreeTwoThre> WHAT IS THIS BOX THING
[05:59] <s|k> I can't figure out what is wrong
[05:59] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: Ok. Brute force approach. Make or find an empty folder, and try 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sd<x>1 /folder/folder' until it works, starting by replacing <x> with a, and working your way through the alphabet
[05:59] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: yea. there's a problem in Firefox where spyware can get installed in Ubuntu.
[05:59] <s|k> how do I run memtest?
[05:59] <s|k> I'm looking at grub
[05:59] <[Ex0r] > so nobody here has a recommendation for a mail server (imap, pop3, smtp, webmail), for ubuntu ?
[05:59] <s|k> how do I run memtest?
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> s|k,  its in the boot menu, just select it. and ut should load.
[05:59] <AlexThreeTwoThre> AND WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SAYING DCC HAX_ALEX_SUCKS_DICK_HAX 0 0 0
[05:59] <meishiwan> is there anybody can tell me how to install the Debian Menu?:-[i checked a thread about Debian Menu on forum ,but now i cant find the thread.
[05:59] <rredd4> slk in grub  when you reboot
[05:59] <s|k> rredd4: I am looking at grub right now
[06:00] <tristil> meishiwan, did you try alacarte?
[06:00] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : Use courier-imap and postfix. Nice and awesome
[06:00] <s|k> oh
[06:00] <s|k> found it
[06:00] <s|k> thanks
[06:00] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: it gets you banned usually, please refrain from saying that
[06:00] <rredd4> slk look at menu.lst to see if its there
[06:00] <AlexThreeTwoThre> nsasch: oh, why does it get you banned?
[06:00] <polpak> AlexThreeTwoThre: if it starts when you log in it's either in .xsession or something similiar
[06:00] <[Ex0r] > DarkElf109- does it have support for pop3 and smtp as well ?
[06:00] <s|k> rredd4: I see it, how will I know if I have errors?
[06:00] <DosBubba> AlexThreeTwoThre, Does it also happen when someone says !startkeylogger ?
[06:01] <tristil> When I sudo, I enter the password, then nothing.
[06:01] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : courier-pop for pop3, and postfix is for smtp
[06:01] <[Ex0r] > ah, I see
[06:01] <colk> sudo is supposed to be ran with a command
[06:01] <rredd4> slk someone else will have to answer that ?
[06:01] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : The couriers are easy to install. Postfix is a bit harder for anything more than local mail
[06:01] <polpak> tristil: if you want to become root use sudo -i otherwise you need to give it a command to run as root
[06:01] <[Ex0r] > I heard some things about courier being buggy and etc
[06:01] <[Ex0r] > and instead of postfix, can't I use sendmail ?
[06:01] <tristil> colk, I know. I mean that if I sudo vi blah, I get a password prompt, then nothing happens.
[06:01] <nsasch> AlexThreeTwoThre: you might want to consider switching to Gentoo if optimal performance is necessary.
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> life  is buggy.
[06:02] <polpak> tristil: did you hit enter after you typed the password?
[06:02] <rredd4> I did sudo update-grub, it showed kernel 2.6.15-23 and 26.  I rebooted and I stll only see 23.  how do I fix this so I can use 26?  23 and 26 are in menu.lst.
[06:02] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : I've been using courier for a long while. I love it. And postfix is the sendmail replacement =P
[06:02] <tristil> polpak, I've seen complaints about this on the web, but no resolution: you create a wheels group, you add the wheel group to /etc/sudoers, you add a user to wheel, you su to that user, you sudo, you fill in the password, then nothing
[06:02] <[Ex0r] > guess i'm going to have to install one at a time, and read up on the docs for configuring them, esp. postfix
[06:02] <[Ex0r] > because I also heard it's difficult to get it working correctly
[06:02] <prozac> im looking for a bt client that lets me set a max upload limit
[06:02] <tristil> It's a new virtual server on vpslink.com
[06:02] <polpak> tristil: can you pastebin your sudoers file? You don't need to add a wheel group there is already an admin group for this by default
[06:03] <tristil> meishiwan, cool?
[06:03] <prozac> in Kbps...not by # of connections
[06:03] <[Ex0r] > prozac- the default bt client does.
[06:03] <prozac> really, i couldnt find that...
[06:03] <[Ex0r] > prozac- click the second tab, check the Cap Upload, and select the KB/sec box
[06:03] <tristil> polpak, is admin the adm group?
[06:04] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : Try this: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ And just ignore the stuff about mysql and virtual users
[06:04] <polpak> tristil: yes, it's the admin group
[06:04] <Madpilot> tristil, no, admin is admin - adm is something else
[06:05] <[Ex0r] > DarkElf109- Hold that url til after I re-install ubuntu please :)
[06:05] <tristil> polpak, Their default install is pretty bare. adduser: The group `admin' does not exist.
[06:05] <prozac> Ex0r, i started the bt on windows and saved to a portable HDD...is there a way to get the bt client to realize that the bt needs to be resumed, and not re-started
[06:05] <DarkElf109> [Ex0r] : Then you'll like google.com/notebook =P
[06:05] <polpak> tristil: in ubuntu?
[06:06] <prozac> its the same .torrent file...just a different OS
[06:06] <[Ex0r] > prozac- nope, you would have to copy all the partially downloaded files to the same directory in linux
[06:06] <GStubbs43> How do I open BitTorrent? when I click i in the Applications menu, it says "Open Location for BitTorrent meta file" any ideas?
[06:07] <tristil> polpak, vpslink.com's virtual server version of Ubuntu.
[06:07] <DarkElf109> GStubbs43: It's asking for a .torrent file
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok guys, here's a fun one... for some reason liveCD isn't installing GRUB right on my desktop that has a windows install on it too.  Anyone else have issues with GRUB not working w/ SATA and IDE drives both there?
[06:07] <prozac> the partially downloaded files are on a portable HDD recognized by both wondows and Ubuntu
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> : )
[06:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Odd huh?
[06:07] <GStubbs43> oh, you can't open it up and search?
[06:07] <prozac> i can specify the file where they already exist
[06:07] <Madpilot> GStubbs43, find a .torrent file on the web somewhere, and click on it
[06:07] <GStubbs43> Like on uTorrent and other programs?
[06:08] <GStubbs43> okay...
[06:08] <tristil> polpak, http://paste.plone.org/5362
[06:08] <Vikash> how to change default boot operating system
[06:08] <DarkElf109> slowz3r: You still there?
[06:08] <Vikash> do u know
[06:08] <meishiwan> tristil,im here. i dont know how to do it
[06:08] <DarkElf109> Oh, guess not, never mind...
[06:09] <Vikash> can u tell me
[06:09] <tristil> meishiwan, are you running Dapper?
[06:09] <meishiwan> yes
[06:09] <Vikash> how to change boot settings
[06:09] <Vikash> ya
[06:09] <DarkElf109> Vikash: Open up /boot/grub/menu.list, and change "default"
[06:09] <deFrysk> Vikash, default=0 is the first
[06:09] <tristil> meishiwan, Does alacarte in Applications suit your purposes?
[06:09] <deFrysk> default=2 is the second etc
[06:10] <deFrysk> default=1 that is sorry
[06:10] <Vikash> default=1 is not there
[06:10] <Vikash> ok
[06:10] <gmoore> 'install to disk' vs 'lamp install' when installing Dapper with the server cd: do i get the same thing either way, just apache/mysql/php set up and ready to go in the second one?
[06:10] <DarkElf109> Well, default=1 is the safe option for the first OS
[06:10] <tristil> meishiwan, Applications->Accessories
[06:10] <meishiwan> i dont know how to install the Debian Menut via apt-get,let me try
[06:10] <DarkElf109> It's done by row
[06:10] <meishiwan> it
[06:10] <rredd4> DarkElf109 can you help please?  I did sudo update-grub, it showed kernel 2.6.15-23 and 26.  I rebooted and I stll only see 23.  how do I fix this so I can use 26?  23 and 26 are in menu.lst.
[06:10] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: apt-get install menu
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> grub starts counting at 0 i think.. so default=0 will be the first entry
[06:10] <deFrysk> yes
[06:11] <DarkElf109> rredd4: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` if I remember right
[06:11] <Vikash> there is no graphical menu to select that
[06:11] <deFrysk> default=1 is the second
[06:11] <meishiwan> i dont know the commend to install the debian menu via apt-get
[06:11] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: apt-get install menu
[06:11] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to use libpam-cracklib to check my password for difficult-to-crack-ness.  how can i do that?
[06:11] <rredd4> DarkElf109  uname -r returns 2.6.15-23
[06:12] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Then replace it with 2.6.15-26 =)
[06:12] <DarkElf109> Actually, either one would work
[06:12] <GStubbs43> Now Synaptic Package Manager won't open at all...
[06:12] <rredd4> ok
[06:12] <DarkElf109> It just has the installer scan the /boot directory for kernels, and updates menu.lst accordingly
[06:12] <meishiwan> let me try to install it.
[06:12] <polpak> tristil: how did you add yourself to the group file?
[06:12] <Ninja> can anyone help me install melisa media center please?????
[06:12] <polpak> tristil: I think it's shadowed
[06:13] <polpak> tristil: so you need to use vigr
[06:13] <tristil> polpak adduser method wheel
[06:13] <LoneShadow> which boot option do you guys choose ? default, generic .. ?
[06:13] <everton> oi
[06:13] <DarkElf109> LoneShadow: Eh? Where?
[06:13] <everton> aloha!
[06:14] <DarkElf109> Hi!
[06:14] <LoneShadow> everytime there is a kernel update, it puts like 3-4 new boot options on grub :P
[06:14] <rredd4> DarkElf109  that command says that its not installed.  When I open Synaptic, it shows that it is.?
[06:14] <GStubbs43> and when I use sudo in Terminal, this shows up: sudo: must be setuid root
[06:14] <LoneShadow> I choose the new kernel - default one, not sure what the generic one is meant for
[06:15] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Might wanna do apt-get reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-26 just to be sure
[06:15] <rredd4> ok
[06:15] <Ninja> can anyone help me install elisa media center?
[06:15] <s|k> wow this memtest is going to take 5 hours
[06:15] <s|k> :/
[06:15] <DarkElf109> LoneShadow: You can remove the old kernel packages once you're sure the new one works
[06:15] <polpak> s|k: punishment for having too much ram =p
[06:15] <DarkElf109> LoneShadow: I generally keep one old one around for safety
[06:15] <s|k> heh 3 gigs
[06:15] <deFrysk> s|k, better to lt it run for a few days
[06:15] <s|k> :(
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> s|k,  normally you let it run for a day or 2 :P to be sure
[06:15] <DarkElf109> s|k: Server or gaming machine? =P
[06:15] <meishiwan> DarkElf109,i have installed it ,but i cant find it in Applications->Accessories.O:-)
[06:16] <s|k> gaming
[06:16] <LoneShadow> yea I am doing that at the moment, but wondering whats the diff between default and generic
[06:16] <s|k> let it run for a few days? heh
[06:16] <s|k> I don't have a few days lol
[06:16] <s|k> I have classwork to do
[06:16] <deFrysk> s|k, its like giving up smoking
[06:16] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: Should just be Applications-> Debian
[06:16] <deFrysk> hang on in there
[06:17] <s|k> well it seems like 5% in 15 min is about 5 hours
[06:17] <DarkElf109> s|k: Public libraries are your friend! And your friends are your friends! Leech off of all of them!
[06:17] <rredd4> DarkElf109  Couldn't find package reinstall   I guess I will do it via Synaptic... sounds ok?
[06:17] <s|k> well my data is on this machine
[06:17] <s|k> I don't know how to make it run for a few days anyways
[06:17] <s|k> I just run it
[06:17] <DarkElf109> LoneShadow: Not sure...never seen it set up like that. I just have Kernel, then Kernel (safe), then Kernel 2, then Kernel 2 (safe)
[06:17] <meishiwan> i cant find it .need i reboot GDM?
[06:17] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Yeah
[06:18] <rredd4> ok
[06:18] <rredd4> tyy
[06:18] <DarkElf109> rredd4: I'm a console geek =P
[06:18] <[Ex0r] > damn, it's going to take 12 hours to archive up this directory :\
[06:18] <tristil> Hmm, is the % necessary to signify a group in /etc/sudoers, as in %wheel   All=(ALL) ALL?
[06:18] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: killall gnome-panel works too, I think
[06:18] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: You might also wanna check Alacarte to make sure the menu isn;t just disabled
[06:18] <rredd4> DarkElf109 lol!
[06:18] <s|k> you know I can't seem to write to dvd on this system without it failing
[06:18] <s|k> is that usual?
[06:19] <Boelcke> Any suggestions for how to convert an mpg video to DVD format?  I'm struggling to burn my first dvd in ubuntu...
[06:19] <s|k> and then the disc is stuck in the drive and I have to use a paper clip to get it out
[06:19] <DarkElf109> s|k: That sounds liek a drive problem more than anything
[06:19] <meishiwan> now i cant open the Alacarte
[06:19] <DarkElf109> meishiwan: Ok. Then restart gnome, yeah. Might even wanna just restart the machine
[06:19] <DrBair> im picking out a new wifi card... atheros, prism, or intel. Any opinions?
[06:19] <s|k> okay well maybe the whole system is shot
[06:19] <DarkElf109> DrBair: Prism. Great for wardriving =P
[06:19] <Red_Herring> DUDE type in /disco for a LIGHT SHOW!!!
[06:20] <DarkElf109> DON'T
[06:20] <meishiwan> ill restart the machine
[06:20] <DarkElf109> It's short for disconnect
[06:20] <DrBair> DarkElf109: very true...
[06:21] <DarkElf109> DrBair: And that's the true test of a WiFi card's value, honestly. Especially considering the relatively small number of cards that can actually get packet injection right
[06:21] <sledmouth> xubuntu is cool!
[06:21] <Red_Herring> haha no dont actually do it
[06:21] <stormchas3r> I just installed 6.06 and it never asked for me to create a root pw, any  help here?
[06:21] <Red_Herring> sledmouth: any better than kubuntu?
[06:21] <sledmouth> i'm not a kde fan
[06:21] <DarkElf109> stormchas3r: It's not supposed to. Enjoy using 'sudo'
[06:21] <sledmouth> so i'm not the one to ask
[06:21] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Or, to get a root shell, 'sudo -s'
[06:22] <DarkElf109> Bleh, that was to stormchas3r
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> stormchas3r,  faq #1 there man. :P
[06:22] <stormchas3r> how do I use sudo in a shell?
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> !root
[06:22] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:22] <stormchas3r> srry
[06:22] <DarkElf109> stormchas3r: Type 'sudo', followed by the command you want to run as root
[06:22] <stormchas3r> new to ubuntu but love it so far
[06:22] <neon_> how can i set the password for connect to my mobile in bluetooth?
[06:22] <stormchas3r> ty guys
[06:23] <sledmouth> i use joe's wm on my thin client audio players :)
[06:23] <sledmouth> they should make jubuntu ;)
[06:23] <DarkElf109> Anyone in here have a CompTIA Linux+ certification? I'm thinking of getting it (work pays if I pass), and wondering how hard it is
[06:23] <fantasynw> Hello.  I'm a relative n00b to Linux in general (I know a little, but not too much)... I just installed Ubuntu 6.06, and I can't seem to get my wireless working.  Installed on a Gateway 7210GX laptop... I did some research and I know I have to mess with ndiswrapper, but I'm not really sure what to do.  Can anyone point me at some docs that could guide me?
[06:23] <ljlolel> so
[06:23] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Nah. Might be construed to be racist =P
[06:23] <notamisfit> or flubuntu
[06:23] <sledmouth> LOL
[06:23] <ljlolel> i love ubuntu
[06:24] <DarkElf109> notamisfit: They're working on fluxbuntu, actually
[06:24] <sledmouth> obuntu
[06:24] <Madpilot> notamisfit, "Bird Flubuntu" ;)
[06:24] <DarkElf109> !ndiswrapper
[06:24] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[06:24] <notamisfit> holy shit. never thought i'd see that one coming
[06:24] <TIHan-Linux> how do i use the network proxy in ubuntu
[06:24] <spades> nubuntu uses fluxbox iirc
[06:24] <notamisfit> is ebuntu still chinese whispers?
[06:24] <fantasynw> Perfect, thank you!
[06:25] <Boelcke> Any suggestions for how to convert an mpg video to DVD format?
[06:26] <ljlolel> when will some django bugs be fixed
[06:26] <DarkElf109> ljlolel: eventually
[06:26] <DrBair> Boelcke: theres quite a few dvd authoring tools in the repos. I used one before qdvdauthor or something to that effect...
[06:27] <DarkElf109> Boelcke: Might wanna try k3b. Has built-in video transcoding
[06:28] <n1xt3r> ljolel: you wouldn't be talking about where some fonts get seem to get squished together?
[06:28] <sledmouth> i'm on a fujitsu stylistic 3500 right now (with xubuntu) cuz the damn backlight went out on my ibook :(
[06:28] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: I'm sorry about the ibook, and now I know that fujitsu makes computers =P
[06:29] <sledmouth> fujitsu handhelds are awesome
[06:29] <sledmouth> i have like 5 of them
[06:29] <DarkElf109> Handhelds? As in, PDAs?
[06:29] <sledmouth> they make great thin media clients
[06:29] <sledmouth> no, tablet pc's
[06:29] <DarkElf109> Hrm. Neato
[06:29] <TIHan-Linux> how do i use the network proxy in ubuntu
[06:29] <Warbo> Can anybody help me get Beagle to show some meaningful results? For example if I search for "avi" the only thing that comes up is /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[06:30] <DBO> Warbo, have you excersized the dog?
[06:30] <Warbo> DBO: Several times
[06:30] <holycow> ljlolel, why are you asking about django here? isn't that a web app platform?
[06:30] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Neato. I've just got a Palm T|X...I love it as a PDA, but not the best for media
[06:30] <ljlolel> sorry wrong window :)
[06:31] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: What's the price on one of those?
[06:31] <holycow> ljlolel, was just curious :)
[06:31] <damion> hey is there a way to stop my ubuntu from freezing when i leave it on all night downloading a torrent
[06:31] <sledmouth> u can ebay fujitsu stylistic 3500's for ~$225
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> damion,  you are saying it dont freeze when you leave it on and DONT download torrents?
[06:31] <DarkElf109> damion: Turn of the thing that makes it freeze ;)
[06:31] <DarkElf109> off*
[06:31] <sledmouth> they r like laptops with no keyboard
[06:31] <DarkElf109> Bah. Typing errors always ruin my witty retorts...
[06:32] <sledmouth> 500MHz
[06:32] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Yeah, I just looked em up...they're neat
[06:32] <holycow> damion, are you sure ubuntu freezes or just the torrent client?  does your entire screen lockoup? if so can you switch to cli via ctrl/alt/f1...f2 ...etc?
[06:32] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: And I've done more than my fair share of working with LTSP...setting it up for a whole school district =)
[06:32] <sledmouth> nice
[06:32] <holycow> DarkElf109, a whole district?
[06:32] <sledmouth> i'm actually interested in going LTSP
[06:32] <holycow> wicked
[06:33] <sledmouth> how is the sound DarkElf109?
[06:33] <holycow> DarkElf109, ever set it up to work over the net?
[06:33] <sledmouth> did u use esd?
[06:33] <damion> no when i live on bittornado client or ktorrent at night it sometimes freezes in the middle of the night
[06:33] <DarkElf109> It's kinda odd. The Edubuntu LTSP works on almost every system, but doesn't have support for local media (important). The standard LTSP package from the LTSP project itself has less support, but local media
[06:33] <damion> the whole computer is frozen
[06:34] <damion> the mouse dont move or nothing
[06:34] <holycow> damion, ah ... you cant even ctrl/alt/f2 to another cli?
[06:34] <Warbo> damion: X crashes are often caused by driver problems. Are you using a non-free driver?
[06:34] <DarkElf109> Edubuntu plans to have local devices and whatnot working for Edgy, but, can't wait that long, so we're just trying our luckm with vanilla LTSP
[06:34] <rredd4> DarkElf109  I did synaptic install and apt-get install.  I still only see 2.6.15-23.  Any other ideas?
[06:34] <sledmouth> DarkElf109: so the clients have sound and Xservers runngin, right/
[06:35] <DarkElf109> rredd4: REinstall =)
[06:35] <sledmouth> the prob i have with my current system is that i have xmms running natively on the handhelds
[06:36] <hangfire> which compiler is vanilla LISP? is that an opensource one like cmucl?
[06:36] <sledmouth> and have to use cli mplayer for real streams
[06:36] <filemover> anyone want a really good guide on bash scripting
[06:36] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Well, we've got X working on the machines that matter, but we're still trying to get sound down. I know it works, because it was fine with edubuntu, but getting it going with LSP vanilla is posing some issues
[06:36] <sledmouth> however, the other stylistics i have are only like 120mhz machines
[06:36] <DarkElf109> LTSP*
[06:36] <sledmouth> and can't do nicer players like gxine etc
[06:36] <sledmouth> (to give me all streams in one gui)
[06:37] <hangfire> filemover-where is the guide to bash scripting?
[06:37] <sledmouth> i tried xmms with mplayer plugin - couldn't handle that either
[06:37] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Well, you should try out actual LTSP, then. It's neat stuff
[06:37] <sledmouth> i want to
[06:37] <sledmouth> i'm just hoping sound is fine
[06:37] <sledmouth> i have lots of flac
[06:37] <DarkElf109> It still seems kinda odd to me, though. Booting a computer over a network seems like black magic =P
[06:37] <sledmouth> lol
[06:37] <Hoxzer> how can I take a screenshot from certain window?
[06:38] <[Ex0r] > wow
[06:38] <[Ex0r] > 67gigs worth of back-ups :\
[06:38] <damion> ok how do i stop the bittorrent program from locking up my computer
[06:38] <rredd4> DarkElf109  I tried this command apt-get install reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-26-386  and I get "Couldn't find package reinstall"
[06:38] <DarkElf109> damion: You could try renicing it
[06:38] <damion> what?
[06:38] <holycow> Hoxzer, /alt/printscreen takes shost of focused windows
[06:38] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Are you sure your package lists are updated?
[06:38] <DarkElf109> !renice
[06:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about renice - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:39] <damion> i am newb to linux man i am just winging it
[06:39] <holycow> Hoxzer, gimp can screen cap whatever window you want and lets you choose it with a mouse
[06:39] <sledmouth> man nice
[06:39] <DarkElf109> damion: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/renice.html
[06:39] <holycow> damion, most fun way to get started :) welcome
[06:39] <holycow> damion, well what you do is ditch that piece of garbage and use gtktorrent client :)
[06:40] <holycow> it comes built in to gnome?
[06:40] <rredd4> DarkElf109  update-grub shows both kernels..
[06:40] <DarkElf109> I'm surprised I even use Linux today...Slackware ate the partition boundary between it and my windows partition the first time I installed it, and the Warty install CD's partitioner deleted my partition table =P
[06:40] <DarkElf109> rredd4: You could manually add it to menu.lst if you want
[06:40] <[Ex0r] > alright, now to copy the back-up to another computer and re-install
[06:40] <damion> gtktorrent
[06:40] <rredd4> DarkElf109  its there now...
[06:41] <sledmouth> slackware is what i run on my clients DarkElf109
[06:41] <damion> how do i install
[06:41] <damion> i have been using ktorrent
[06:41] <sledmouth> on the stylistic 1200s
[06:41] <holycow> damion, are you using kubuntu?
[06:41] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: Nice. I won't touch it ever again after that, though =P
[06:41] <damion> no ubuntu 6.06
[06:41] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Well, then, it worked =)
[06:41] <rredd4> DarkElf109  I will paste bin my menu.lst   brb
[06:41] <sledmouth> i use a very stripped down slack on cf cards
[06:41] <DarkElf109> k
[06:41] <holycow> damion, its actually called gnome-btdownload, its installed already for you
[06:41] <holycow> damion, check apps/internet ... its the bittorent client
[06:41] <sledmouth> 156mb flash
[06:41] <sledmouth> 256...
[06:42] <interfear> any must have apps for ubuntu?
[06:42] <stormchas3r> If I have a mdf file, how can i mout it in ubuntu?
[06:42] <holycow> damion, you said you were using bittornado right?
[06:42] <rredd4> DarkElf109  It still does not show when I reboot, only shows 23 not 26
[06:42] <damion> yea
[06:42] <DarkElf109> rredd4: So, wait, lemme get this straight: It's in menu.lst, but doesn't show up?
[06:42] <rredd4> yes
[06:42] <holycow> damion, well then just use the torrent client already installed, nothing to worry about
[06:42] <damion> that freezes too if my download spikes too high then it locks
[06:42] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Woah...now THAT'S odd...
[06:42] <damion> ok then
[06:42] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Are the files in /boot?
[06:42] <faraday> holycow: can you change the port of gnome-btdownload??
[06:42] <holycow> damion, that locks up your system too?
[06:42] <Hoxzer> holycow: :P for somereason it captures only botom panel no matter what I select
[06:43] <sledmouth> is ur /boot on its own part.? redd4?
[06:43] <rredd4> DarkElf109  kernel files?
[06:43] <holycow> Hoxzer, odd, use gnome
[06:43] <DarkElf109> Yeah
[06:43] <rredd4> DarkElf109  checking
[06:43] <damion> well no
[06:43] <damion> i stopped using it
[06:43] <Hoxzer> holycow: actually I do use gnome
[06:43] <SurfnKid> whats the difference between modprobe and insmod?
[06:43] <holycow> faraday, best i can suggest is man gnome-btdownload, or read whatever manuals are available for that project
[06:43] <damion> hey where is it located anyway
[06:44] <Hoxzer> holycow: is it alright to select window with alt+tab
[06:44] <DarkElf109> stormchas3r: I don't know of any files in the repositories that can mount CD images, let alone MDF
[06:44] <holycow> Hoxzer, sure why not
[06:44] <damion> question
[06:44] <Hoxzer> :E eh panel ... panel ....
[06:44] <DarkElf109> SurfnKid: modprobe has a ton more features than insmod
[06:44] <holycow> damion, applications/internet its just called bittorent
[06:44] <stormchas3r> ty DarkElf109
[06:44] <SlyFly> Can anyone please help me with ALSA?  I have a question about ALSA.  I already checked the forums and WIKI.  PLease?
[06:44] <rredd4> DarkElf109  initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386   and  config-2.6.15-26-386  and  vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386  are in /boot
[06:45] <SurfnKid> DarkElf109, i thought so, more like an improved command
[06:45] <holycow> SlyFly, just ask
[06:45] <damion> where are the programs install on ubuntu
[06:45] <Warbo> damion: /usr
[06:45] <SlyFly> I used to have ALSA available to select as an AUDIo device, but it has disappeared...and I don't know where it went
[06:45] <Warbo> Damn network problems :( I think MLDonkey was screwing up GAIM
[06:45] <Hoxzer> wohoo it worked
[06:45] <SlyFly> Why did ALSA disappear and how can I get it back?
[06:46] <deFrysk> alsa dissapear ?
[06:46] <deFrysk> how ?
[06:46] <DarkElf109> rredd4: And you're changing/checking /boot/grub/menu.lst and not some other menu.lst, right?
[06:46] <damion> thanks for the hell also
[06:46] <Warbo> SlyFly: In what application
[06:46] <damion> where in /usr
[06:46] <SlyFly> ALSA is no longer showing up as an option in volume control as an audio device...
[06:46] <holycow> damion, everywhere.  on linux we ddon't do the same crap they do in windows and dump everything in one dir per app
[06:46] <DarkElf109> damion: When Ubuntu installs applications, they're split all over the drive. Configs in /etc, apps in /usr/bin, etc.
[06:46] <SlyFly> It used to be there...I had a selection of two audio devices, one was ALSA...now its not there anymore
[06:46] <Warbo> damion: Binaries=/usr/bin, shared files=/usr/share, generic stuff=/usr/lib and so on
[06:46] <rredd4> DarkElf109  yes /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:47] <sledmouth> DarkElf109: make sure he doesn't have /boot on sep. part which isn't mounted normally...
[06:47] <holycow> damion, we split th eapp up into subgroups, binaries, help files, icons, etc.
[06:47] <damion> i can see that
[06:47] <Ignite_> hey, i've been trying to use thoggen to rip my DVD, the progress bars say its done... but its still going and has one written 14.3MB, anyone had experience with this? should i leave it or is it likely to just go on forever?
[06:47] <damion> hey thanks
[06:47] <rredd4> sledmouth boot is not on another partition
[06:47] <Ashex> you know, it's not a very good idea to use Generic for your username in a linux channel
[06:47] <DarkElf109> Hrm...this is really, really odd
[06:47] <Ashex> lots of false alerts
[06:47] <sledmouth> rredd4: so there is not /boot entry in fstab?
[06:48] <damion> this is not over yet
[06:48] <holycow> damion, its harder for novice to find the app, but its easier for long term system maintance, especially for something as complex as linux where you can install litterally 100's of thousands of apps and still have a stable system that wont keel over
[06:48] <rredd4> sledmouth  checking
[06:48] <Warbo> Ignite_: I think it might keep going. It happened to me once, it just kept reencoding the same frame in the middle of a film. I don't know whether it is a disc problem, an application problem or an encryption problem
[06:48] <damion> hey i may be a novice but i love a challenge
[06:48] <SlyFly> why did ALSA disappear and where it did it go?
[06:48] <Ignite_> Warbo, alright, thanks for the help
[06:48] <sledmouth> ( i don't think ubuntu typically does that anyhow - gentoo does tho )
[06:49] <z2> how do I check what my local ip is ?
[06:49] <Warbo> ifconfig
[06:49] <z2> thanks
[06:49] <DarkElf109> sledmouth: I do it, just as a precaution...I get rm -f happy sometimes...I've even taken out an entire home partition and all my mail on my mailserver =P
[06:49] <rredd4> !pastebin
[06:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:49] <holycow> DarkElf109, *high five* me too bro
[06:49] <holycow> lol
[06:49] <sledmouth> i'm too lazy and just let os install do what it wants lately :(
[06:50] <DarkElf109> Hahaha. Glad to see I'm not alone =P
[06:50] <Ignite_> Warbo, did you manage to find any other software that got the job done as.. cleanly?
[06:50] <SlyFly> no ALSA for me?  I am a sad panda today without ALSA.
[06:50] <damion> question how do i set the default bittorrent program
[06:50] <damion> question how do i set the default bittorrent program
[06:50] <crimsun> SlyFly: what's the issue?
[06:50] <DarkElf109> That's what I love about Linux. Exemplifies the quote "With great power comes great responsibility"
[06:50] <DarkElf109> I can delete whatever I want...but it's my own damn fault =P
[06:50] <SlyFly> ALSA is not showing up as an option audio device in voluem control
[06:50] <DarkElf109> Err, sorry about the language ;)
[06:50] <Warbo> Ignite_: I don't think I tried that film again, but mencoder and stuff can rip DVDs (I think ffmpeg2theora might be able to make theoras of DVDs too)
[06:50] <rexur> hi
[06:51] <SlyFly> ALSA used to be available as an option...its not there anymore under voluem control
[06:51] <crimsun> SlyFly: what does ``cat /proc/asound/cards show you? Use http://pastebin.ca
[06:51] <DarkElf109> rexur: Hello
[06:51] <rredd4> sledmouth  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17975
[06:51] <crimsun> SlyFly: ``cat /proc/asound/cards'', rather
[06:51] <rexur> im new here
[06:51] <IcemanV9> damion: update-alternatives
[06:51] <Ignite_> Warbo, ok thanks
[06:51] <kelbizzle> Hey all.
[06:51] <Warbo> damion: Right click a torrent file, Properties, Open With and choose the default
[06:51] <deFrysk> SlyFly, in volumecontrol File>change device
[06:51] <DarkElf109> rexur: Well, then, welcome! If you've got a question, feel free to ask =)
[06:51] <DarkElf109> kelbizzle: Heya
[06:51] <kelbizzle> Whats going on elf.
[06:51] <rexur> thank's
[06:51] <deFrysk> SlyFly, and alsa is always there for its a kernel module
[06:52] <Warbo> Any idea why Evolution won't come up? It did before...
[06:52] <DarkElf109> kelbizzle: Trying to figure out why rredd4's grub menu isn't showing everything in menu.lst
[06:52] <dicesquirrel> Question... I'm using the fglrx driver, and when I type fglrxinfo, it gives me Mesa info, and everything 3D runs slowly. How do I fix this? I've tried various things from the forums, but nothing seems to work. Help!
[06:52] <rredd4> DarkElf109  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17975
[06:52] <kelbizzle> hmm..I wish I can help.
[06:52] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: Does "glxinfo | grep direct" say yes or no?
[06:52] <kelbizzle> I'm a nix noobie
[06:52] <rredd4> DarkElf109  it is in menu.lst  just not there when I reboot
[06:53] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Well, you're not booting from a separate partition...I'm really stumped here
[06:53] <DarkElf109> rredd4: Dumb question, but is it commented out?
[06:53] <rredd4> no
[06:53] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: it says no
[06:53] <rredd4> i will past it
[06:53] <sledmouth> patebin ur menu.lst
[06:53] <damion> haha sorry for bothering you all i just really want to understand ubuntu the OS is beautiful and stable unlike windows xp or 2000 good work i expect nothing less
[06:53] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: What model card do you have?
[06:53] <sledmouth> rredd4: what is ur /dev/hda2?
[06:53] <sledmouth> nothing?
[06:53] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: Radeon 9000 Mobility
[06:53] <SlyFly> crimsun, /proc/asound/cards shows my audio card...what does this say about ALSA?
[06:53] <rexur> anyone hir 17-20 yr old?
[06:54] <SlyFly> rexur, why?
[06:54] <crimsun> SlyFly: it means alsa detected the card just fine. Now test ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav''. Is it audible?
[06:54] <rexur> uhm,
[06:54] <rexur> nothing
[06:54] <rexur> just askin'
[06:54] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: I think teh fglrx driver got broken recently for older cards, however the free driver should give 3D on your card (but I don't know the performance comparisons)
[06:54] <z2> how do I check which version of ubuntu I am running ?
[06:54] <crimsun> z2: lsb_release -r
[06:54] <DarkElf109> rexur: No, we won't send you naked pictures. Go away =P
[06:54] <deFrysk> rexur, wrong channel ? ;p
[06:54] <rexur> nope
[06:54] <kelbizzle> Anyone have a sec to answer a question for me,
[06:54] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: Fglrx didn't work for me on my radeon 9200, nothing 3D or even framebuffer worked :(
[06:55] <gmoore> aww im trying to boot dapper in VMWare to try it out and i get a kernel panic :-(
[06:55] <rexur> im not interested w/ a nude picx
[06:55] <kelbizzle> I might stump ya.
[06:55] <rexur> sorry
[06:55] <DarkElf109> kelbizzle: That's what we do =)
[06:55] <deFrysk> !ask
[06:55] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:55] <kelbizzle> :-D
[06:55] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: can I downgrade to an older fglrx?
[06:55] <DarkElf109> rexur: Well, that's a relief
[06:55] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: one that works?
[06:55] <kelbizzle> lemme get the message again.
[06:55] <kelbizzle> it's with wine
[06:55] <z2> hmm
[06:55] <Luuuucky> can anyone help me installing nVidia drivers? Actually binutils or somethin' whatever... Help me!
[06:55] <rexur> :-P
[06:55] <filemover> whats the best application to play mp3's in ubuntu
[06:55] <GuitarHero> amarok
[06:55] <GuitarHero> or listen
[06:55] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: Maybe, but you would have to build it yourself (or just use radeon like me)
[06:55] <z2> how do I translate 6.06 to warty or breezy ?
[06:55] <holycow> filemover, any it doesn't matter
[06:55] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: So how do I use radeon?
[06:55] <kelbizzle> wine: could not load L"c:\\windows\\system32\\qtracker.exe": Module not found
[06:55] <filemover> k
[06:55] <Warbo> dicesquirrel: Hang on, I wrote a guide somewhere....
[06:55] <kelbizzle> when I run wine qtracker
[06:55] <snoops> I absolutely love amarok - my favourite linux desktop application
[06:56] <DarkElf109> z2: 6.06 is Dapper Drake
[06:56] <z2> DarkElf109: thanks alot
[06:56] <DarkElf109> amaroK is KDE's killer app. It's like iTunes, without all the Apple =P
[06:56] <Luuuucky> when i start installation of nvidia drivers error message appears:  ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the
[06:56] <Luuuucky>          package 'binutils' installed.  If you do have binutils installed,
[06:56] <Luuuucky>          then please check that `ld` is in your PATH.
[06:56] <Warbo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[06:56] <Luuuucky> Please help me!
[06:56] <deFrysk> there is also xmms rhythmbox banshee etc for mp3
[06:56] <Luuuucky> !binutils
[06:56] <filemover> its says i dont have the neccessary decoder to play mp3's
[06:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about binutils - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:56] <SlyFly> crimsun, my audio is working perfectly fine, but its with OSS MIxer...but I am trying to use ALSA...
[06:56] <filemover> what do i do
[06:56] <snoops> DarkElf109 oh mean it's leagues ahead of itunes
[06:56] <kelbizzle> did anyone get that?
[06:56] <snoops> man*
[06:56] <Warbo> !mp3
[06:56] <laney> np:
[06:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:56] <IgorFreire> i
[06:56] <DarkElf109> snoops: Well, honestly, I wouldn't know...never used iTunes =P
[06:57] <jbrimble> I'm about to download Ubuntu, should I get the .list or .manifest file?
[06:57] <jbrimble> oh wait, there's a torrent. nevermind
[06:57] <Warbo> jbrimble: .iso
[06:57] <DarkElf109> jbrimble: You should get the .iso
[06:57] <sledmouth> xfmedia ;)
[06:57] <Luuuucky> PEOPLE PLEASEEEEEE!
[06:57] <rredd4> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17976
[06:57] <DarkElf109> jbrimble: Or .torrent, if you like bittorrent
[06:57] <tritium> Luuuucky: calm down, buddy
[06:57] <Warbo> jbrimble: Ah yes, the torrent (the others are for verifying the download and stuff)
[06:57] <crimsun> SlyFly: double-click the volume control icon in the upper right corner, choose File> Change Device>
[06:57] <snoops> DarkElf109 banshee is basically the itunes clone for linux.. similar interface, everything.. amarok has features I've never seen in any other player - such as the covers view, and artist+lyric info just a tab press away
[06:58] <SlyFly> crimsun, that's the problem...there is no other option for audio device...no ALSA
[06:58] <GuitarHero> iwconfig shows that i have a signal strength and its seeing the essid/frequency.  i cant figure out why it sees it but i cant get on the internet
[06:58] <rredd4> sledmouth this is part of it, the important part... big file.   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17976
[06:58] <crimsun> SlyFly: what're the options?
[06:58] <dicesquirrel> Warbo: oh well Warbo, don't worry about it. The radeon driver won't run ET well enough, so I'll just wait until they release a fixed fglrx. Usually only takes a day or two
[06:58] <SlyFly> crimsun, the only option is OSSMIxer
[06:58] <rredd4> DarkElf109 this is part of it, the important part... big file.   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17976
[06:58] <crimsun> SlyFly: that's not a bad thing
[06:58] <crimsun> SlyFly: as long as your sound works fine, you're ok
[06:58] <tripppy> how do i login via xdmcp?
[06:59] <SlyFly> crimsun, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but ALSA has its benefits...
[06:59] <SlyFly> that's why I am trying to use ALSA
[06:59] <Warbo> Can anyone help me get Evolution up?
[06:59] <crimsun> SlyFly: does ``alsamixer'' work?
[06:59] <SlyFly> crimsun, alsamixer does work
[06:59] <DarkElf109> rredd4: In all honesty, I have no idea anymore...everything's correct!
[06:59] <crimsun> SlyFly: then why are you worried about being able to use ALSA?
[06:59] <GuitarHero> iwconfig shows that i have a signal strength and its seeing the essid/frequency.  i cant figure out why it sees it but i cant get on the internet
[06:59] <rredd4> DarkElf109  exactly...
[07:00] <DarkElf109> GuitarHero: Try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:00] <Warbo> Never mind, after a couple of days sulking it's decided to work again :)
[07:00] <SlyFly> because I am trying to listen to different audio players at the same time, and OSS Mixer doesn't provide that functionality...ALSA does...besides, I am also having other problems with OSS
[07:00] <snoops> what's the most recommended way to share files between two linux boxes? Just samba?
[07:00] <Luke> snoops: nfs
[07:00] <DarkElf109> snoops: NFS is faster
[07:00] <rredd4> DarkElf109  I used update manager initially to upgrade to 26... and this is what I got
[07:01] <GuitarHero> it says failued to start ifdown and ifup
[07:01] <GuitarHero> failed to open their statefiles
[07:01] <DarkElf109> rredd4: I'm really sorry, but I don't know how to help any more... =/
[07:01] <SlyFly> crimsun, because I am trying to listen to different audio players at the same time, and OSS Mixer doesn't provide that functionality...ALSA does...besides, I am also having other problems with OSS
[07:01] <rredd4> sledmouth any other ideas?
[07:01] <DarkElf109> GuitarHero: Do it as root
[07:01] <z2> snoops: or flash drive
[07:01] <rredd4> DarkElf109  thats ok, ty
[07:01] <tritium> rredd4: what happened after your upgrade?
[07:01] <sledmouth> ya rredd4
[07:01] <crimsun> SlyFly: oss mixer does not have anything to do with whether you can listen to different audio players at the same time
[07:01] <snoops> over a network I should have mentioned z2 :) Thanks though.. nfs cool bananas
[07:01] <rredd4> sledmouth this is part of it, the important part... big file.   http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17976
[07:02] <sledmouth> have u messed with menu.lst b4 on this system?
[07:02] <GuitarHero> ok its going through a bunch of intervals on eth0
[07:02] <sledmouth> and did u previously have different linux distro on the drive?
[07:02] <rredd4> tritium  I rebooted and 2.6.15-23 shows but not 26
[07:02] <filemover> can i add the gstreamer pluggins through add/remove programmes
[07:02] <z2> snoops: you said easier
[07:02] <z2> snoops: *easiest
[07:02] <snoops> nope I said most recommended z2
[07:02] <z2> ooh shit
[07:02] <sledmouth> some distros set grub to use file other than menu.lst
[07:02] <DarkElf109> z2: "what's the most recommended way" =)
[07:02] <tritium> z2: language, please
[07:02] <DarkElf109> !language
[07:03] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:03] <rredd4> tritium  2.6.15-26 are in /boot
[07:03] <z2> ok
[07:03] <tritium> rredd4: please try "sudo update-grub"
[07:03] <z2> didnt know junior might be awake at 1AM EST
[07:03] <z2> sorry
[07:03] <s|k> memtest at 1 hour and only 16% done, it's going to take 7 hours now, man its just getting slower and slower
[07:03] <rredd4> tritium did that same results
[07:03] <rredd4> tritium http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17976
[07:03] <deFrysk> z2, over here its 7 am
[07:03] <snoops> heh only 5pm in nz z2
[07:03] <DarkElf109> z2: Time zones, man. It;s only 10 on the West Coast
[07:03] <DarkElf109> z2: The Internet never sleeps
[07:04] <rredd4> sledmouth using dapper
[07:04] <vaka> I have a big problem... My root account hasn't root permisions, and I can't give them to it because i haven't these same permisions
[07:04] <aunes> I really like the colors I get with vim syntax highlighting on my ubuntu box, but when I ssh to my redhat server, It's way too dark. How do I copy the color settings over?
[07:04] <GuitarHero> ok restarting the networking didnt work, its never worked before i should add that
[07:04] <sledmouth> rredd4 , please ' find /boot ' and paste
[07:04] <tritium> rredd4: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-26.386
[07:04] <DarkElf109> !root
[07:04] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:05] <GuitarHero> i used ndiswrapper to install the drivers and it is detecting the hardware
[07:05] <DarkElf109> aunes: Copy /etc/vim/vimrc from Ubuntu to your other computer
[07:05] <SlyFly> I'll just cry myself to sleep since I can't use ALSA...it's out of my life, and I am out of its life...we've parted ways, and I must now find another companion...farewell fellow Ubunturs
[07:05] <aunes> DarkElf109: thx
[07:05] <tritium> rredd4: that last one should do the trick
[07:06] <rredd4> sledmouth  abi-2.6.15-23-386     config-2.6.15-26-386      initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386  System.map-2.6.15-26-386  abi-2.6.15-26-386     grub                      memtest86+.bin            vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 config-2.6.15-23-386  initrd.img-2.6.15-23-386  System.map-2.6.15-23-386  vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386
[07:06] <rredd4> tritium did that too
[07:06] <tritium> rredd4: what was the result?
[07:06] <z2> under what package category would I find databases ?
[07:07] <filemover> hey wow!
[07:07] <GuitarHero> anyone have any ideas how i can fix my connection?
[07:07] <filemover> mp3's work on here
[07:07] <filemover> LOL
[07:07] <filemover> i got it to work
[07:07] <GuitarHero> yay
[07:07] <z2> under what package category would I find databases ?
[07:07] <filemover> it was pretty easy
[07:08] <filemover> now i gotta work out how to enable usb audio anyone have any clues
[07:08] <Warbo> z2: OpenOffice type databases would be in Office stuff. More complex ones may be in system tools, administration, networking, development or anything else. Databases are used for all kinds of things
[07:09] <rredd4> tritium Not touching initrd symlinks since we are being reinstalled (2.6.15-26.44)  Not updating image symbolic links since we are being updated (2.6.15-26.44)  Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub  Testing for an existing GRUB menu.list file ... found: /boot/grub/menu.lst  Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...  Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386  Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-2
[07:09] <rredd4> 3-386  Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin  Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done
[07:09] <z2> Warbo: thanks, turns out it was in MISC
[07:09] <isthisnicktaken> can someone help me fix my xorg......I was following http://aaltonen.us/archive/2005/03/02/ubuntu-linux-on-the-ibm-thinkpad-t42/#video and it screwed up, but was able to go back, now with no opengl or anything
[07:09] <z2> I was looking for postgresql
[07:09] <GuitarHero> one last try.... anyone know how to fix a connection when it shows up in iwconfig but wont actually connect with firefox or any internet program??
[07:09] <vaka> how can i enable the root account?
[07:09] <DarkElf109> filemover: Plug in the usb sound device. It'll be picked up, usually
[07:10] <tritium> rredd4: ok, next time don't paste please
[07:10] <filemover> ok
[07:10] <DarkElf109> vaka: sudo passwd, I think
[07:10] <tritium> rredd4: was it reinstalled?
[07:10] <rredd4> yes
[07:10] <filemover> thnx DarkElf109
[07:10] <DarkElf109> =)
[07:10] <filemover> ill give it a go
[07:10] <filemover> lol
[07:10] <sledmouth> rredd4: so u say ur menu.lst changes don't show up in grub menu at boot? can u specify 26 manually at that point?
[07:10] <tritium> !enter > filemover
[07:10] <filemover> this is the easiet linux distro ive seen yet
[07:10] <isthisnicktaken> 2nd that
[07:10] <filemover> lol
[07:10] <rredd4> sledmouth how?
[07:10] <Lynoure> 2nd easiest for me.
[07:10] <aunes> DarkElf109: when I upload it, it breaks my syntax highlighting. Any clues as to why?
[07:11] <GuitarHero> well thanks anyway
[07:11] <sledmouth> at boot - u can edit the grub lines
[07:11] <sledmouth> then boot
[07:11] <rredd4> sledmouth change 23 to 26?
[07:11] <DarkElf109> aunes: Might need to install the syntax package for RedHat
[07:11] <sledmouth> ya
[07:11] <DarkElf109> aunes: And THAT I can't help with, sorry
[07:11] <tritium> rredd4: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.list by hand
[07:11] <DarkElf109> aunes: But when you get it installed, it should be enabled
[07:11] <sledmouth> tritium he did
[07:12] <aunes> DarkElf109: it works perfectly fine if I rename my .vimrc file to vimRC (ie: not recognized)
[07:12] <rredd4> tritium to change what please?
[07:12] <aunes> DarkElf109: meaning that I get syntax highlighting normally, its just crappy colors.
[07:12] <DarkElf109> aunes: Oh...hrm. Lemme check something
[07:12] <tritium> rredd4: to add the kernel info that's not being added
[07:12] <sledmouth> he pasted his menu.lst and it looks fine
[07:12] <rredd4> yah
[07:13] <rredd4> yeah
[07:13] <bobby> hax!~
[07:13] <DarkElf109> aunes: Might want to delete the first line of the copied vimrc. setting the runtimepath for the debian way of things is probably throwing it off
[07:13] <horsefeathers> hello everyone
[07:13] <DarkElf109> Heya horsefeathers
[07:13] <dou> hi. will the plf repo not support ubuntu anymore? anyone know?
[07:13] <horsefeathers> how goes it?
[07:13] <sledmouth> rredd4: reboot, hit 'e' on the grub line so u can edit it, u can then edit ea. line relating to change 23 to 26
[07:14] <sledmouth> then hit 'B' to boot
[07:14] <aunes> DarkElf109: Glorious. thx.
[07:14] <horsefeathers> :)
[07:14] <rredd4> sledmouth ok
[07:14] <rredd4> brb
[07:14] <sledmouth> it won't be permanent tho
[07:14] <DarkElf109> aunes: =)
[07:14] <sledmouth> obv.
[07:14] <horsefeathers> is anyone new to linux and ubuntu like myself?
[07:14] <isthisnicktaken> yeah
[07:14] <z2> yes
[07:14] <isthisnicktaken> me
[07:14] <deFrysk> no
[07:14] <horsefeathers> whoohoo :)
[07:15] <rredd4> sledmouth hopefully I will be back... brb
[07:15] <rredd4> if this works
[07:15] <Warbo> dou: I have found it unresponsive recently. Ubuntu developers are always trying to incorporate the most wanted stuff though
[07:15] <sledmouth> u did say the grub menu doesn't include 26, right?
[07:15] <rredd4> yes
[07:15] <sledmouth> k
[07:15] <sledmouth> go for it
[07:15] <isthisnicktaken> I am having Xorg problems.....trying to get better graphics on my laptops mobility 7500
[07:15] <isthisnicktaken> I screwed up my config and lost openGL support.
[07:15] <horsefeathers> I am a bit new to linux, but i heard I can get wobble windows. Does anyone know where I can look to get that to work?
[07:16] <Warbo> isthisnicktaken: What driver?
[07:16] <dou> Warbo: ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ which was the place where ubuntu was isnt there anymore
[07:16] <Warbo> !xgl
[07:16] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:16] <filemover> I plugged in my usb headphones and enabled the capture device in the main volume settings but the sound is still comming from the PC speakers can anyone help
[07:16] <isthisnicktaken> how can i find it
[07:16] <Warbo> horsefeathers: Take a look at XGL ^
[07:16] <fivre> Where does X log errors and such to?
[07:16] <isthisnicktaken> http://aaltonen.us/archive/2005/03/02/ubuntu-linux-on-the-ibm-thinkpad-t42/#video
[07:16] <horsefeathers> alright, thanks Warbo :)
[07:16] <isthisnicktaken> I was trying to folloow that
[07:16] <Warbo> dou: No wonder it has been giving errors in aptitude :)
[07:16] <isthisnicktaken> since I have an R50.....its similar
[07:16] <DarkElf109> horsefeathers: And if your graphics card isn't the best, check the link for AIGLX in the #ubuntu-xgl channel
[07:17] <Warbo> fivre: /var/log/Xorg.0.log I htink
[07:17] <Warbo> isthisnicktaken: Are you trying the fglrx driver? (the non-free ATI one)
[07:17] <dou> yeah thx i'll remove it dont think i use any packages from it anyway. maybe canonical took its place?
[07:17] <z2> whats the command to refresh the locate database ?
[07:17] <dou> or something
[07:17] <gdb> z2: updatedb
[07:17] <sledmouth> updatedb?
[07:18] <isthisnicktaken> Warbo: i was tyring to......but then it said no monitor or something, had to edit the Xorg.conf to ati again
[07:18] <squidgy> Hi!  I just upgraded from Breezy to Dapper, and the sound volume is barely audible when everything is turned up to 100%.  Can anyone help?
[07:18] <isthisnicktaken> I had CLI only
[07:18] <z2> gdb thanks
[07:18] <holycow> squidgy, right click, open up volume control and turn up pcm
[07:18] <Warbo> isthisnicktaken: Just that I tried the non-free driver and although I got 2D working I never got 3D (on a Radeon 9200). I like to advocate the use of the radeon driver though :)
[07:19] <dou> bye bye
[07:19] <z2> I just installed postgres, whats the usuall commands to get things going on it ?
[07:19] <Warbo> isthisnicktaken: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[07:19] <isthisnicktaken> ok whats the best way to do that
[07:19] <isthisnicktaken> thx
[07:19] <Warbo> isthisnicktaken: Still a work in progress, but a few people have improved it for me
[07:19] <squidgy> holycow:  yup.  that's at 100%.  So is the master volume.  doing amixer shows everything at 100%
[07:19] <isthisnicktaken> let me try that thanks
[07:19] <holycow> squidgy, turn up the volume on  your speakers?  >_>
[07:20] <squidgy> holycow:  it's a laptop, and there is no external volume.  The volume change buttons on the laptop just modify the master volume.
[07:20] <holycow> ah!  *hmmm*
[07:21] <squidgy> holycow:  weird, huh?  And it works great in breezy and in winXP.
[07:22] <sledmouth> squidgy: unmuted?
[07:22] <holycow> yeah that is odd, i really don't know what else to suggest actually ... sounds like maybe something has changed in whatever driver is being used for the chipset ....
[07:22] <aunes> in vim, I'm doing :vert split index.html   .... is there a way to flip the two buffer's positions?
[07:22] <squidgy> I vaguely remember reading something somewhere in which someone was advised to change from alsa to oss or some such thing.  Does that make any sense?
[07:23] <sledmouth> drum roll
[07:23] <squidgy> sledmouth:  nope, it's not muted.  Tried that...laptop mute button makes it go from barely audible to silent.
[07:23] <rredd4> sledmouth  uname -r is now 2.6.15-26
[07:24] <sledmouth> i meant unmuted in alsa mixer
[07:24] <godtvisken> I am trying to extract files from a .rar file, but I keep getting the error "Cannot create /home/godtvisken/<archive name>/<file name>" using File Roller
[07:24] <sledmouth> nice rredd4
[07:24] <sledmouth> so - please ' find /boot/grub '
[07:24] <squidgy> not muted there, either.  The only thing that's muted is Line-In on the Capture panel, but that's of course not relevant.
[07:24] <rredd4> sledmouth then?
[07:24] <dash> dash`: pick a better dang nick!@
[07:25] <sledmouth> i'm curious if there is another grub config file in /boot/grub
[07:25] <sledmouth> asside from menu.lst
[07:25] <tritium> no, sledmouth
[07:26] <sledmouth> no?
[07:26] <notamisfit> sledmouth:grub.conf should be in there, but I think one of 'em is just a symlink
[07:26] <tritium> notamisfit: there is no grub.conf
[07:26] <sledmouth> rredd4
[07:26] <squidgy> are oss and alsa two competing linux sound systems?  if so, can I switch without breaking anything?
[07:26] <sledmouth> what do u have in /boot/grub ?
[07:26] <rredd4> yes
[07:26] <horsefeathers> does anyone not reccommend using XGL with a weird video card? I have the ATI 200m.
[07:27] <rredd4> menu.lst.save   menu.lst   menu.lst~
[07:27] <crimsun> squidgy: alsa implements oss as well.
[07:27] <rredd4> sledmouth only menu.lst files there
[07:27] <sledmouth> hmmm
[07:28] <tritium> sledmouth: as I said...
[07:28] <squidgy> crimsun:  what are their respective functions?  If I'm having trouble with my laptop volume being too low, can I 'switch' to the other to try that?  (i.e., does that question even make sense?)
[07:28] <Heretician> I have my cable directly connected to my computer (ethernet) i was wondering if ubuntu is supposed to automatically detect it
[07:29] <sledmouth> rredd4: so what options do u have at grub menu?
[07:29] <sledmouth> 23, 23 recovery, and memtest?
[07:29] <rredd4> sledmouth  2yes
[07:29] <Warbo> squidgy: OSS is the older Open Sound System. It was pretty basic and only allowed one program to access the soundcard (/dev/dsp), which is why sound servers like Arts were made (Arts is the only program accessing the soundcard, and everything else accesses Arts). ALSA uses many devices and in a more sophisticated way. ALSA also emulates OSS
[07:29] <rredd4> and 26
[07:30] <sledmouth> thought u said no 26
[07:30] <filemover> how do i change modes in vim
[07:30] <rredd4> sledmouth 23 in boot grub menu