[04:13] <Zerboxx> how well does partitioning work within ubuntu?  I currently have a dual boot system, and I want to move files from my windows partition to ubuntu's and then remove windows.  How well will this all work out?
[04:13] <kevin> I use it all of the time at work (RDP) that is
[04:13] <cwillu> ...
[04:13] <tritium> snackalot, what is it, if I may ask?
[04:13] <damneinstien> zerboxx, mount ur ntfs partition and copy files over
[04:13] <cwillu> interet | terminal server client is what you're looking for I think
[04:13] <chaps0063> cwillu: never mind, its terminal server client.
[04:13] <cwillu> :p
[04:13] <chaps0063> cwillu: lol.
[04:13] <Zerboxx> damneinstien: alright, and after they're all on the ubuntu partition?
[04:14] <DukGalNamu> nalioth: hmm, you are right, thats cool...
[04:14] <snackalot> well i would like to install bin files and tar and dnh
[04:14] <damneinstien> then format the windows partition
[04:14] <caonex> i am running ubuntu but when i log in to gnome, my desktop is basically empty. It only has the two bars, empty, and a empty background as well.
[04:14] <Zerboxx> damneinstien: and when that is combined to my current linux partition it will all work nicely?
[04:14] <levander> okay, not much on the breezy wiki about backing up, it's going to be a Windows System Restore thing.  Anybody with recommendations on how to backup serveral directories on my Ubuntu box?  What utilities to use?  I want to backup to DVD-RW
[04:14] <caonex> I read in the xsessionerrors that it has to do with hal and gnome=device-manager
[04:14] <caonex> any ideas?
[04:14] <kevin> ok, later all it is time for my shower and maybe some sleep will worklol
[04:15] <cwillu> sleep's overrated
[04:15] <Burgundavia> levander, there is a guide here --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackupYourSystem
[04:15] <enum> hmm.. tried the multimedia selector.. maybe I am doing something wrong
[04:15] <Burgundavia> levander, but be caeeful with it
[04:15] <swos> Hi, I have a quick question regarding APT.  Any takers?
[04:15] <damneinstien> zerboxx: I never did that : (.. all i did was create another ext3 and had another partition running besides /
[04:15] <cwillu> shoot
[04:15] <nickrud> swos, sure, I'll bite
[04:15] <chaps0063> cwillu: that is what I was looking for...thanks for the help..
[04:15] <cwillu> np
[04:15] <chaps0063> cwillu: I'm getting closer and closer to dropping windows..
[04:15] <cwillu> heh
[04:15] <cwillu> I know the feeling
[04:15] <chaps0063> if I can get the tablet to work on this laptop, its gone.
[04:16] <kevogod> I dropped Windows awhile ago. No looking back.
[04:16] <axis> hoy
[04:16] <cwillu> hoy hoy
[04:16] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I tried that command you gave me a few times, I keep getting "conflicting actions --control and --remove"
[04:16] <kevogod> Although I am not using Ubuntu... heh
[04:16] <chaps0063> kevogod: I have a tablet pc, the tablet doesnt work so I still like that..
[04:16] <snackalot> how to install real player
[04:16] <swos> I've just upgraded my system from woody.  My sources.list file was overwritten with the default Ubuntu sources.list (I assume this is what happened).  If I attempt to uncomment any of the lines with remote servers and run apt-get update, I receive an error stating that the connection was refused.  Any ideas what could be causing this?
[04:16] <nickrud> snackalot, advice here will depend on what you're installing
[04:16] <axis> what different kernels are there for amd64
[04:16] <levander> Burgundavia: they recommend using tar to back everything up, I was thinking of doing incremental backups
[04:16] <nalioth> tritium: have you seen MIK3MAN's errors with dpkg?
[04:16] <axis> i can't find anything on ubuntulinux.org about it
[04:16] <swos> (Upgraded to hoary.)
[04:16] <tritium> nalioth, no, let me scroll up...thanks
[04:17] <nickrud> swos, I have bitten more thain I can chew, wood->hoary is very hoary :)
[04:17] <cwillu> swos, you still have network on that machine?
[04:17] <axis> i'm running amd64-generic, but i think there's a kernel for the k8
[04:17] <swos> nickrud: hehe, gotcha.
[04:17] <swos> cwells: Indeed.
[04:17] <Burgundavia> levander, a simple backup solution is coming
[04:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, what command did you run?
[04:17] <snackalot> settrack-3.1.5.tar.gz and y dos it matter dont u do it the same every time???
[04:17] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I can go into the x11 directory and manually edit, if you help
[04:17] <Burgundavia> levander, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleBackupSolution
[04:17] <MIK3MAN> :O)
[04:17] <kevogod> chaps0063: What Tablet PC do you have?
[04:17] <cwillu> first things first, can you ping those hosts?
[04:17] <swos> cwells: I thought the list of servres may have changed, so I attempted to hunt those down.  No dice.
[04:17] <chaps0063> kevogod: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D
[04:17] <nickrud> !info settrack
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: its sweet.
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:18] <tritium> MIK3MAN, trying to.  what were you doing with dpkg?
[04:18] <levander> Burgundavia: yeah, i just read about that, but not until breezy.  And, it's just a bounty task.  Who knows if the random guy will come through for the bounty.
[04:18] <swos> cwells: Just a sec.
[04:18] <Burgundavia> levander, he is being paid 4500 USD by google to do it
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> trying to set the normal vesa driver
[04:18] <swos> cwells: Yes, I can.
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: tablet, modem (read that most fujitsu modems don't work), and brightness control don't work.
[04:18] <kevogod> chaps006: What kind of problems are you running into?
[04:18] <MIK3MAN> so I can get in x
[04:18] <kjon> I tried to look for libvorbis-devel with synaptic. The most similar match was "libvorbis0" (or something like that), but I couldn't find anything related to "libvorbis-devel" (even with the information of the bot). What can I do?
[04:18] <chaps0063> kevogod: the simple fact I have no clue how to get it to work. :-)
[04:18] <kevogod> (answered I see)
[04:18] <cwillu> can you paste in one of the repo lines?
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: $4500?? It's going to take only three weeks to do it? $4500 isn't much.
[04:19] <cwillu> I'll double check it on my machine
[04:19] <kevogod> So it boots all up and everything, just those won't work?
[04:19] <Burgundavia> levander, is part of google Summer of Code
[04:19] <chaps0063> kevogod: oh yes, it works great but those things.
[04:19] <enum> ugh
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: what does that mean, that it's being done by a college student?
[04:19] <tritium> kjon, make sure you have a proper /etc/apt/sources.list, and that you've clicked "Reload" to start
[04:19] <Burgundavia> levander, yes
[04:19] <nalioth> tritium: MIK3MAN is trying to reconfigure xserver to VESA
[04:19] <levander> Burgundavia: Summer of Code doesn't sound like a promise that it'll be done.
[04:20] <Burgundavia> levander, no, but it is likely
[04:20] <Burgundavia> 4500 is a lot of money
[04:20] <tritium> nalioth, yeah.  I've not seen that error before...
[04:20] <kevogod> chaps0063: Have you tried http://linmodems.org/?
[04:20] <chaps0063> kevogod: not really, the modem isn't high on my priority list of things to get to work
[04:20] <chaps0063> kevogod: but I will check it out.
[04:20] <kjon> tritium: I added to my repositories' list all the ubuntu 5.04 related servers....
[04:20] <enum> got  it
[04:20] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did you just install?  did it complete?
[04:20] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: did you do a server install, by chance?
[04:20] <levander> $4500? $60K/year is very cheap for a programmer in the US for a programmer.  And, $4500 isn't even one month if you make $60K/year
[04:20] <swos> cwillu: I feel rather silly now.. it's working.
[04:21] <tritium> kjon, did you update the list of packages?
[04:21] <cwillu> heh :)
[04:21] <swos> cwillu: For whatever reason.
[04:21] <cwillu> no problem :p
[04:21] <chaps0063> kevogod: I want the tablet to work but I just don't know how to go about it.
[04:21] <chaps0063> kevogod: like who to talk to, etc.
[04:21] <swos> Thanks, though ;)
[04:21] <teferi> #!%#!%ing lack of docs
[04:21] <kjon> tritium: Yes, I did. I do that three times a week.
[04:21] <cwillu> any time :)
[04:21] <swos> I'll probably hang out in here for a while.  I'm sure I'm bound to find some other snags.
[04:21] <levander> Anybody know of a solution to do incremental backups to a DVD-RW?
[04:21] <tritium> teferi, for which package?
[04:21] <teferi> tritium: python-gnome2-extras{-dev}
[04:21] <chaps0063> swos: I hang out here so that when I break something, I don't have to run that far.
[04:22] <tritium> teferi, nothing good under /usr/share/doc ?
[04:22] <teferi> tritium: i've been using debian and derivatives for seven years now, that's the second place i check...
[04:22] <tritium> ;)
[04:22] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I did a normal install
[04:22] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did it complete succesfully?
[04:22] <teferi> anyway, I have the FFI defs right here
[04:22] <teferi> which you'd think would be helpful
[04:22] <swos> chaps0063: Yeah.  After documentation fails, it's certainly nice to have live help.
[04:22] <teferi> but aren't
[04:22] <chaps0063> swos: documentation ? ;-)
[04:23] <bojangles> does anybody know where the #tex channel is.
[04:23] <tritium> we don't need no stinkin documentation
[04:23] <chaps0063> swos: to me. documentation = #ubuntu
[04:23] <chaps0063> lol.
[04:23] <swos> lol
[04:23] <snackalot> how can i installrealplayer
[04:23] <swos> I like to refer to the docs before I come in here and make an ass of myself is all ;)
[04:23] <tritium> bojangles, what's your tex question?
[04:23] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I did get one error that said it was unsuccessful, then it brought me to the main menu and I chose base install I think it was called
[04:23] <tritium> swos, that's a good policy.  I was merely joking
[04:23] <teferi> wonder if there's a pygtk irc channel, hm.
[04:24] <teferi> yep.
[04:24] <swos> tritium: heh, yes, I know.
[04:24] <teferi> i'll go give *them* a piece of my mind
[04:24] <chaps0063> snackalot: sudo apt-get install realplayer
[04:24] <bojangles> tritium, well i am trying to figure out what directory is the tex-input directory for the files srctlx.sty and srctex.sty
[04:24] <tritium> MIK3MAN, do you recall the error?
[04:24] <MIK3MAN> tritium: the base install completed ok and it then installed the grub ok
[04:24] <chaps0063> snackalot: but make sure you visit http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and add then.
[04:24] <snackalot> thank you verry mutch!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:24] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, please don't recommend ubuntuguide.org
[04:24] <chaps0063> Burgundavia: why?
[04:24] <Ubuntuguide> rock!
[04:25] <Ubuntuguide> is best !
[04:25] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, some incorrect info with no explanations
[04:25] <Burgundavia> chaps0063, the wiki is better
[04:25] <tritium> bojangles, where they installed from a particular package?
[04:25] <bojangles> tritium, do you have any idea what directory to place those files in.
[04:25] <MIK3MAN> tritium: said something like not being able to completely install all the packages,"maybe a bad cd" is what it said
[04:25] <chaps0063> snackalot: never mind ubuntuguide..
[04:25] <bojangles> tritium, no...kile installation is still bad...so i had to go get the files but where to put them?
[04:25] <gyaresu_> Burgundavia, chaps0063 the wiki is incomplete. more of US need to be adding to the wiki.
[04:25] <ukato> i'm having some trouble getting my wireless card to work. my computer can see my card, but i don't have access to my network or the internet
[04:25] <ukato> any ideas
[04:26] <damneinstien> what card ukato?
[04:26] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I figured it was my wireless network
[04:26] <ukato> something by airlink101
[04:26] <tritium> bojangles, for system-wide, you can use /usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex
[04:26] <bojangles> tritium, i found the files inside kdvi...but i am not sure where to put them so tex will know they are available
[04:26] <ukato> model is AWLH4030
[04:26] <MIK3MAN> tritium: it gave me the option to hit enter to continue
[04:26] <bojangles> tritium, that will be fine...let me try that
[04:26] <tritium> bojangles, for just your user, under ~/texmf/tex/latex
[04:26] <damneinstien> ukato: never worked w/airlink..
[04:26] <jasoncohen> does anyone else notice that gnome-system-monitor in Hoary loses its settings each time the program is restarted? I removed a few process columns and enabled a few, and after restarting the program, the settings had reverted back to default.
[04:27] <tritium> bojangles, don't forget to run texhash after you install them
[04:27] <jasoncohen> are you guys seeing the same issue?
[04:27] <ukato> damn
[04:27] <light_punch2> does *.deb packages works with ubuntu?
[04:27] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that does not sound good
[04:27] <damneinstien> light_punch2: yes
[04:27] <jasoncohen> i created a new bug report because there wasn't one for this issue
[04:27] <nalioth> light_punch2: its not advised to use non official debs in ubuntu
[04:27] <tritium> light_punch2, yes, that's wht ubuntu uses, but you shouldn't mix .debs from various distributions.  You should use ubuntu .debs
[04:27] <gyaresu_> light_punch2, damneinstien : they just may break things...
[04:28] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I just noticed your bug. The breezy version will not save across sessions
[04:28] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:28] <MIK3MAN> yeah I know, I think I'm gonna look for a diff distro, I was running ok with Mepis and fluxblox, but I thought I would give ubuntu a shot
[04:28] <light_punch2> ok, cause i have a few debian ISOs / cdRs here.
[04:28] <snackalot> hay chaps thanks that helped alot it realey helps to know were to go for info
[04:28] <chaps0063> snackalot: np.
[04:29] <MIK3MAN> what do you guys think of xfce?? I never tried it
[04:29] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:29] <axis> ANY confirmed SATA installs with 32bit i/o
[04:29] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, if you change the settings, close the program and restart it in the same session, do the settings remain or are they reverted back to default?
[04:29] <tritium> MIK3MAN, it's probably a bad burn.  Make sur ethe CD image you have is good
[04:29] <axis> xfce is lame
[04:29] <axis> so bare
[04:29] <chaps0063> !repeating
[04:29] <ubotu> No idea, chaps0063
[04:29] <teferi> ah, god bless irc
[04:29] <axis> too bare
[04:29] <teferi> found sample code
[04:29] <axis> i feel naked with xcfe
[04:29] <chaps0063> !repeat
[04:29] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, the changes remain within one sessin
[04:29] <jasoncohen> MIK3MAN, you should verify the MD5 sum before burning
[04:29] <tritium> axis, please don't repeat
[04:29] <ubotu> chaps0063: Are you smoking crack?
[04:29] <kahles1> some people like bare wms :)
[04:29] <light_punch2> the archive utility mount the ISOs fine, considering that, it's from an external harddrive formatted as NTFS.
[04:29] <kahles1> im using fluxbox here
[04:29] <Madpilot> axis: stop repeating yourself, pls. but yes, I'm on a SATA HDD right now...
[04:29] <gyaresu_> axis, hdparm doesn't seem to give clear info back but i get constant ~50-66MB/sec
[04:29] <axis> ha gah
[04:29] <MIK3MAN> does that mean I have to redownload the image?? or just reburn??
[04:30] <light_punch2> MIK3MAN, download a live cd with xfce on it.
[04:30] <tritium> MIK3MAN, first check its md5sum
[04:30] <axis> Madpilot:  i'm on a msi k8t neo2 plat. running 1 maxtor 16mb cache 250gig SATA . it installs great, dma enables, 32 bit io .. nope
[04:30] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I know K3B auto does that, but what about windows?
[04:30] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I don't use windows, and can't say.
[04:30] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ok, well i did a bug report. we'll see if anything happens. does ubuntu have enough developers to go through all the bug reports- especially on packages in universe? Each debian package has its own maintainer, and I almost always get some response/fix when i report bugs on debian packages.
[04:30] <MIK3MAN> lol
[04:30] <axis> my hdparm is hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda
[04:31] <gyaresu_> axis, md5sum.exe for windows (google)
[04:31] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: there is a livecd with xfce for its UI
[04:31] <jasoncohen> i actualy just received an email saying that a minor bug i reported on debian's openvpn package has been fixed
[04:31] <gyaresu_> axis, sorry. not you.
[04:31] <MIK3MAN> light_punch2: I used the live cd for ubuntu and liked it... look where I am now... I cant get into X
[04:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, basically these kinds of bugs get filed upstream with gnome directly
[04:31] <axis> hehe ok.. i was confused hehe
[04:31] <gyaresu_> MIK3MAN, md5sum.exe for windows (google)
[04:31] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, and then when gnome fixes it, it gets fixed in Ubuntu
[04:32] <axis> Madpilot: Do you have 32bit i/o enabled on your SATA ??
[04:32] <MIK3MAN> gyaresu_: thanks, I'll check the image
[04:32] <axis> Madpilot: and if so, how did you manager
[04:32] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that is very rare.  Something is likely wrong with your media.  ubuntu would not top distrowatch if it failed like that very often
[04:32] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, but little things like this are only fixed between distribution releases, right?
[04:32] <Madpilot> axis: haven't a clue.  And you are correct about hoary-upgrades
[04:33] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: I have wireless, has to be configured
[04:33] <axis> and it will say HD_GET ERROR - 32bit i/o not enabled, defaulting to 16bit
[04:33] <MIK3MAN> brb, gonna test the image
[04:33] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, when is 2.12 supposed to get released?
[04:33] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?
[04:33] <identp> has anyone  ever had trouble with kopete?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/TwoPointEleven tells me Sept 7th
[04:34] <axis> /dev/sda: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:34] <bojangles> tritium, yes...ok that fixed one problem just fine with kile...but still debian does not seem to have acroread...whatever that is for.
[04:34] <jasoncohen> btw, does mozilla's official firefox build allow updating firefox itself through its update tool?
[04:34] <Madpilot> axis, no ERROR msgs, but it says this: IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, Breezy already has the major features of .12, as the .11 develpment release
[04:34] <tritium> bojangles, debian, or ubuntu?
[04:34] <jasoncohen> i know the ubuntu package has it disabled
[04:34] <giant> anyone mind if I ask an OT question ?
[04:34] <kevogod> jasoncohen: No.
[04:34] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes, but it is disabled for ubuntu
[04:34] <bojangles> tritium, debian sarge
[04:35] <kevogod> (sorry, was assuming Ubuntu's version)
[04:35] <axis> Madpilot, : yah sorry, it says error when you type "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"
[04:35] <tritium> bojangles, you can get it from marillat's repo
[04:35] <bojangles> tritium, ok i will try
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles no.
[04:35] <nalioth> bojangles: but disable the repo when you are done
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles user backports
[04:35] <gyaresu_> tritium, bojangles *use
[04:35] <tritium> gyaresu, he's not an ubuntu user
[04:35] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ah, good. i don't like waiting for the security fixes to be backported to hoary by the security team and i find backport's firefox package to be underpar so i just installed 1.0.5 from the official build
[04:35] <tritium> gyaresu, he's using debian sarge
[04:35] <MIK3MAN> C:\DOCUME~1\MIKE\DESKTOP>md5sum ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:35] <MIK3MAN> f6b3f164c99761234858a4d2c12d0840 *ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[04:35] <ukato> with a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME
[04:35] <giant> I'm working my way through Spidering Hacksy by Oreilly, and they recommend you contact the site before running your spider/scraper
[04:35] <nickrud> axis, have you tried -c1?
[04:36] <gyaresu_> tritium, sorry.
[04:36] <MIK3MAN> does that mean it passed??
[04:36] <teferi> attn all waiting anxiously on the evolution mail applet thing: i should have a rough prototype tonight!
[04:36] <axis> nickrud, : yep
[04:36] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: no ethernet port on your box?
[04:36] <giant> would this include the sites used in the examples in the book?
[04:36] <tritium> gyaresu, no problem.  Also, backports are unofficial
[04:36] <nickrud> ok, that's my contribution :)
[04:36] <knowledge_> alrighty
[04:36] <axis> nickrud,   "hdparm -d1c1 /dev/sda" was what i got from hdparm
[04:36] <knowledge_> the reinstall went well
[04:36] <axis> man
[04:36] <giant> it makes sence that Oreilly would have gotten permission from them beforhand
[04:36] <gyaresu_> tritium, all the good stuff though ;)
[04:36] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: go to the ubuntu d/l page and compare your md5 with the one listed on the d/l page
[04:36] <axis> but the everything i've googled has crazy stuff .. like "hdparm -d1 -c3 -a64 -X66 -k1 /dev/sda"
[04:36] <tritium> gyaresu, I guess some people feel that way
[04:36] <Madpilot> axis: this isn't an AMD64 box, it's a K7. the 64 bit part might be your problem?
[04:36] <knowledge_> but I have a question....what does http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/654 <----Mean?
[04:36] <MIK3MAN> nalioth: yeah its got both, but I would have to dig out the old net cards and cat5
[04:37] <axis> Madpilot, : It installs fine, but it's only at 16 bit i/o like yours
[04:37] <axis> are you able to change your hd's IO to 32 bit?
[04:37] <tritium> knowledge_, please "sudo apt-get install build-essential" to install a compiler
[04:37] <MIK3MAN> brb
[04:37] <cafuego> axis: The crazy stuff tends to blow up controllers, just c1d1u1 should pop it in the optimal mode.
[04:37] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, just confirmed that it does save stuff across sessions as well
[04:37] <nalioth> MIK3MAN: i'd be interested in seeing what happens when you apt-get update/upgrade
[04:37] <Madpilot> axis: I'm not even going to try, frankly. it works, it's stable, and I'm not that speed obbsessed right now...
[04:37] <gyaresu_> nickrud, axis I don't now but seial drives seem to not work with hdparm. i have good speed but i returns the same PIO 0 that you've got
[04:37] <knowledge_> tritium, thank you kindly
[04:38] <tritium> sure :)
[04:38] <cafuego> axis: And yes, don believe what hdparm tells you about sata drives.
[04:38] <nalioth> tritium: dang you are quick
[04:38] <axis> HDIO_SET_32BIT failed: Invalid argument
[04:38] <giant> I'm having a problem playing .wmv's with mplayer
[04:38] <tritium> nalioth, heh, sometimes
[04:38] <nalioth> tritium: or my corner of the net is slow
[04:38] <axis> HDIO_SET_UNMASKINTR failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[04:38] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, cool- so i'll just backport gnome-system-monitor from breezy myself
[04:39] <axis> IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[04:39] <giant> I've tried installing the codecs and that helped for .mpg's but totem is buggered and mplayer still won't play .wmv's
[04:39] <nalioth> giant: you are out of luck with the newer wmv
[04:39] <cafuego> axis: hdparm is for pata drives. Not for sata or scsi (to a lesser extent).
[04:39] <chaps0063> is there any way to get hibernation to work?
[04:39] <pax> giant: which book are you talking about again?
[04:39] <axis> cafuego: so how do i check the transfer rate of my SATA drive?
[04:39] <giant> pax, Spidering Hacks
[04:39] <pax> giant: k
[04:39] <cafuego> axis: copy a large file and time it.
[04:39] <tritium> chaps0063, it should already.  is it not one of your logout options?
[04:40] <giant> pax, I didn't want to run a spider and have somone jumping my shlt for using an example in the book
[04:40] <axis> cafuego, : is there an easier way to get direct results through CLI ?
[04:40] <MIK3MAN> I dunno guys, I think I have a corrupt download, when I installed it didnt even ask me for a root pass... so I cant switch to root
[04:40] <kahles1> eh, does your kernal suport acpi chaps?
[04:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, no, that's a feature.
[04:40] <cafuego> axis: Though 'hdparm -tT' might give you a fairly decent result. the other options mainly just don't apply to non-pata drives and controllers.
[04:40] <tritium> MIK3MAN, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:40] <pax> giant: wep, careful, and exemples in the book mean nothing
[04:40] <chaps0063> tritium: ah yes, it is...
[04:40] <tritium> excellent
[04:40] <chaps0063> tritium: however I don't know that it works.
[04:41] <nalioths_dog> MIK3MAN: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:41] <giant> pax, the ones I figured were safe were the ones looking at Oreilly's site and Cpan...
[04:41] <tritium> chaps0063, it usually does, provided you have a swap partition
[04:41] <axis> cafuego, : But if it's saying 16bit i/o, that's got to be what it means .. i mean how else do you check SATA drives ?
[04:41] <chaps0063> tritium: which I do.
[04:41] <cafuego> axis: If it really is PIO 16 bit,. youl get around 3MB/sec
[04:41] <nathanael> I need help - I think I'm addicted to Installs!!!!
[04:41] <tritium> chaps0063, I hope it will work for you, in that case
[04:41] <pax> giant: I would simply contact the person who wrote the book and ask
[04:41] <nathanael> I just re-installed ubuntu for the 3rd time...
[04:41] <axis> 3600 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1799.37 MB/sec
[04:42] <chaps0063> tritium: I tried it, screen went black then gave me pw prompt..
[04:42] <tritium> nathanael, why so often?
[04:42] <nickrud> giant, try doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo
[04:42] <nathanael> ISthere something wrong with me?
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: You _don't_ check sata drives because they _don't_ do pio. 'hdparm' is OLD and doesn't KNOW about sata.
[04:42] <tritium> chaps0063, wich laptop?
[04:42] <pax> giant is it Carla Schrode?
[04:42] <nathanael> I just love that New System feel!
[04:42] <pax> giant is it Carla Schroder*?
[04:42] <chaps0063> tritium: Fujitsu Lifebook T4010D
[04:42] <nathanael> lol
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: That was memory speed, useless benchmark.
[04:42] <tritium> nathanael, well, glad there's no problem ;)
[04:42] <axis> cafuego:  pio = primary input output
[04:42] <giant> pax, I'll have to go get the book out of my car
[04:42] <nathanael> With the computer anyway...
[04:42] <nickrud> giant, if you have gotten w32codecs thru backports, use /usr/lib/win32/ as the source of the links
[04:42] <cafuego> axis: No, it's Programmed I/O
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: And it does not apply to sata (or scsi)
[04:43] <nathanael> Has anyone here used the HAIH?
[04:43] <axis> Timing buffered disk reads:  178 MB in  3.00 seconds =  59.32 MB/sec
[04:43] <pax> giant: nah never mind
[04:43] <tritium> chaps0063, you might check here, and HoaryPMResults as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HoaryPM
[04:43] <nathanael> (after install helper)?
[04:43] <giant> pax, by Kevin Hemenway, Tara Calishain
[04:43] <axis> 180 megs a second, is that right
[04:43] <shad0w> hey guys, can anyone help me with mp3s on ubuntu
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: there you go. that's fairly normal.
[04:43] <bojangles> tritium, this is quite good...debian and ubuntu seem to work ok for a change
[04:43] <axis> i thought top speed was 150mb
[04:43] <giant> pax, ya I did all that,, totem is still buggered
[04:43] <tritium> bojangles, for a change?  You have frequent problems?
[04:43] <axis> cafuego, : thanks alot for the info
[04:43] <cafuego> axis: No.
[04:43] <kevin> did I miss soemthing?
[04:44] <tritium> bojangles, so are you using ubuntu then?
[04:44] <kevogod> My name is Kevin. What a coincidence.
[04:44] <axis> cafuego, : you say fairly normal.. put should be faster .. hmm..
[04:44] <bojangles> tritium, yes there were many problems with ubuntu....and a few with debian sarge
[04:44] <nathanael> shad0w: What's up?
[04:44] <gyaresu_> axis, and you'll only get 30MB/sec across a gigabit network.
[04:44] <kevin> lol
[04:44] <knowledge_> I never knew you could rebuild rpms as .deb
[04:44] <cafuego> axis: Twekaing sta with hdparm is like using a wrench to turn a small screw. Wrong tool.
[04:44] <axis> gyaresu, : really
[04:44] <nathanael> alien!!!
[04:44] <tritium> bojangles, what problems did you have?
[04:44] <cafuego> axis: Are you a gentoo user or something?
[04:44] <gyaresu_> axis, yes. and ~50MB/sec is fine.
[04:44] <bojangles> tritium, well acroread whatever that is is still missing on debian sarge.
[04:44] <MIK3MAN> ok, I read about the root thing... thats cool, but I still dont know what to do... try redownloading and burning the image maybe
[04:44] <shad0w> well mp3s wont play in xmms, and in the jukebox thing it says theres no plugin for it
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, it does seem to be available on ubuntu
[04:45] <tritium> it is
[04:45] <gyaresu_> bojangles, it's the adobe reader 7. they renamed it.
[04:45] <knowledge_> who wants to help me for a minute or 2 before I disable my WiFi card again
[04:45] <cafuego> "Oh my god it's not as fast as yours, i must recompile and tweak it more lolol!"
[04:45] <axis> great analogy .. hehe ..  hmm.. i just wish there was another way to look at it
[04:45] <tritium> MIK3MAN, did the md5sum not match?
[04:45] <FormerWindowsUse> must i defrag my drive if im using ext3?
[04:45] <axis> but, hdparm says it enables DMA
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, also i have to recompile smeg for debian sarge as it uses python2.4 instead of 2.3
[04:45] <nickrud> knowledge_, using alien is a last resort, there's usually a better way
[04:45] <axis> so do you think that's actually a correct report?
[04:45] <cafuego> axis: for PATA, not SATA.
[04:45] <axis> i only have 1 drive
[04:45] <bojangles> tritium, whereas it just works on ubuntu
[04:45] <knowledge_> nickrud, I see
[04:45] <tritium> bojangles, so has #ubuntu become a good debian support channel?
[04:46] <cafuego> axis: Then hdparm is not a useful tool for you in any way
[04:46] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I was on the ubuntu site, but they dont have the checksums posted
[04:46] <bojangles> tritium, well i like to have debian, gentoo, ubuntu, mepis working if possible
[04:46] <knowledge_> does anyone want to look over a how to that I used before, and see why it caused my wifi card to stop working?
[04:46] <axis> it wasn't enabled on a base install,  but once i added hdparm -d1 /dev/sda" in a startup script, it actually worked
[04:46] <shad0w> can someone tell me how i can get MP3's to play in ubuntu
[04:46] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, did you respond to my bug report? - https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12770
[04:46] <tritium> bojangles, I'm just curious, and don't mind you asking debian questions.
[04:46] <bimberi> shad0w: Hopefully this will help you - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:46] <axis> shad0w, : www.mp3.com
[04:46] <shad0w> thanks dude
[04:46] <cafuego> axis: That's probably a matter of a not-yet-mature driver.
[04:46] <axis> LOL
[04:47] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, closed it as fixed
[04:47] <FormerWindowsUse> must i defrag if im using ext3 fs?
[04:47] <kevin> knowledge, did you use madwifi?
[04:47] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, ok, just wondering
[04:47] <axis> cafuego, : so it could be running at half
[04:47] <tritium> FormerWindowsUse, nope
[04:47] <nickrud> FormerWindowsUse, no
[04:47] <gyaresu_> FormerWindowsUse, no.
[04:47] <FormerWindowsUse> thanks.
[04:47] <axis> i should be getting about 300mb/s
[04:47] <shad0w> i just switched from XP to ubuntu today ;o other than the mp3 thing its great
[04:47] <gyaresu_> FormerWindowsUse, it's a journaling filing system.
[04:47] <chaps0063> tritium: followed it, no dice.
[04:47] <axis> man
[04:47] <cafuego> You just didn't listehn at all.
[04:47] <tritium> MIK3MAN, see the file named "MD5SUMS"
[04:47] <nathanael> Why does my kernel always say "mounting TMPfs over /dev/..." at boot?
[04:47] <nickrud> if it's said three times, it must be true :)
[04:47] <tritium> chaps0063, did you look for any HoaryPMResults for your hardware?   I'd hope people here were under 18
[04:50] <axis> true that
[04:50] <tritium> chaps0063, yeah, I saw that
[04:50] <kevin> I would, they will look it over
[04:50] <axis> giant, : why's that?
[04:50] <axis> giant, : so you can pm them?
[04:50] <knowledge_> I think the how to commands had something to do with it
[04:50] <axis> lol you perv
[04:50] <chaps0063> tritium: I don't know why no one has been touching this laptop..
[04:50] <shad0w> im 15 d:o
[04:50] <giant> because it shows an interest that the younger generation has in Linux and computers
[04:50] <nathanael> 22
[04:50] <axis> shad0w,  look out for giant  .. he's a ped
[04:50] <MIK3MAN> tritium: chesum matches.. could it be a setting in Nero that did it?? I remember switching to DAO instead of TAO
[04:51] <axis>   23
[04:51] <knowledge_> because people kept telling me that I had to recompile my kernel with the wifi drivers
[04:51] <shad0w> lol
[04:51] <shad0w> i love linux! :D
[04:51] <axis> shad0w, : ubuntu is the goods
[04:51] <shad0w> yea
[04:51] <giant> if a computer related chat room ends up having only 18+ people in it... it means the technical expertice of the next generation is sliipping
[04:51] <shad0w> i use it on both my comps
[04:51] <axis> shad0w, : if you want a challange, rung FREEBSD as your core, then VMware (or other free alternatives)
[04:51] <concept10> Anyone here recently switched from Windows to Linux? or just installed Ubuntu this week?
[04:51] <tritium> MIK3MAN, I suppose it's possible. Again, I don't use windows, and hence haven't used nero
[04:51] <giant> I'm not perv
[04:51] <giant> I just play one at work
[04:51] <shad0w> lol
[04:51] <memoryleek> concept10: i did
[04:51] <Will_> axis: fbsd is not difficult at all
[04:51] <chaps0063> concept10: close, I've had it for a little over a month.
[04:51] <kevin> I use it on my desktop and my laptop
[04:51] <shad0w> i hate challanges
[04:51] <aru> concept10: as did I
[04:51] <nathanael> I used it on my server...
[04:51] <axis> Will_,  I know, hardware support with it is though <:
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i love freebsd
[04:52] <shad0w> ubuntu is refreshing, after so many years of windows
[04:52] <shad0w> and harder distros of linux ;o
[04:52] <MIK3MAN> hmmm, ok, I am going to redo it on an rw
[04:52] <axis> they've just changed the x-windows install
[04:52] <axis> i have to figure that out
[04:52] <Will_> axis: It depends on the HW, I guess
[04:52] <axis> what command it is
[04:52] <axis> to   xf86cfg now
[04:52] <Will_> axis: Don't use fbsd for desktops though. pointless
[04:52] <memoryleek> over the past 2 years linux has changed in leaps and bounds
[04:52] <nathanael> Apt is far superior to the windows install process...
[04:52] <axis> it's different
[04:52] <MIK3MAN> should I maybe try a server install?
[04:52] <concept10> Would you guys care to write me an email about what made you go ahead and take the linux plunge?
[04:52] <giant> I'm so used to useing KDE on other distro's athat I'm a bit lost in Gnome as of righ now but getting much better
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i want it to run vmware, that is all. it will be my main file server
[04:52] <memoryleek> concept10: addy?
[04:52] <nathanael> Add Synaptic, and it just smokes XP altogether
[04:52] <axis> Will_, : i'm going to use open bsd as my gateway, and ubuntu/xp for my desktops
[04:52] <kevogod> FreeBSD can be used a Desktop system pretty easily
[04:53] <tritium> axis, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:53] <shad0w> have any of you had any luck gaming on ubuntu?
[04:53] <_DuDe_> Anyone seen HappyFool recently
[04:53] <concept10> Im trying to convince some small business and I need some stories
[04:53] <giant> I guess I could install K3B but I'd rather use the Gnome programmed tools for burning stuff
[04:53] <axis> tritium, : that works for freeBSD ?
[04:53] <tritium> Will_, hopefully you haven't found that to be the case...
[04:53] <nathanael> concept10: There's a million online already...
[04:53] <tritium> axis, no, for ubuntu
[04:53] <aru> kevogod: as can PCBSD :)
[04:53] <kahles1> I used to play cs 1.6 on slackware regularlly
[04:53] <axis> _DuDe_, : last time i saw him was last night about midnight i think
[04:53] <kahles1> havent treid source yet thou
[04:53] <thoreauputic> concept10: worth pressing the advantages of the lack of malware
[04:53] <Will_> tritium: HHm?
[04:53] <kevogod> Yes, but I prefer the real thing aru.
[04:53] <concept10> It doesnt have to be a long story, just want made you try Ubuntu and how its been so far
[04:53] <shad0w> awesome
[04:53] <axis> Will_, :  Kde installs fine with freebsd
[04:54] <giant> i'm thinking of installing an playing with Solaris 10 for x86 but not sure what good it would do me
[04:54] <axis> Will_, : and gnome
[04:54] <shad0w> im going to try half-life 2 on winex later
[04:54] <tritium> Will_, regarding your earlier comment about annoying ops
[04:54] <memoryleek> concept10: sure
[04:54] <axis> lol
[04:54] <concept10> nathanael, I know that.  I want some recent switchers
[04:54] <giant> don't you have to pay for winx?
[04:54] <_DuDe_> axis, Thanks!
[04:54] <giant> winx = winex
[04:54] <kahles1> yeah, but its really cheap
[04:54] <shad0w> pay.. lol
[04:54] <shad0w> :P
[04:54] <gyaresu_> #ubuntu-offtopic ???
[04:54] <axis> there's another version too
[04:54] <shad0w> >:P
[04:54] <kahles1> or you can install from cvs
[04:54] <axis> other then winE
[04:54] <giant> I'd love to run Doom III and Half-life2 on my linux boxy
[04:54] <axis> and vmware
[04:54] <giant> OMG... that would rock
[04:54] <axis> there are like 2 others
[04:54] <concept10> email your stories to<EMAIL_ADDRESS> No spam guaranteed, seriously
[04:55] <Madpilot> concept10: what're you needig recent linux switchers stories for?
[04:55] <axis> giant, : there's another program you use for games
[04:55] <kevogod> UT2004 works.
[04:55] <kevogod> (Natively)
[04:55] <axis> giant, : PC games are supposed to ROCK on linux, MAD FPS ..
[04:55] <bojangles> axis, forget vmware...that is commercial...they will be shipping zen in most newer distros
[04:55] <axis> giant, : i haven't figured it out yet
[04:55] <giant> its also like that sevice that will setup wireless cards for you
[04:55] <qt2> how stable is breezy aside from the X problems?
[04:55] <bojangles> axis, you can find it at cambridge
[04:55] <giant> yo uhave to pay for it but they say they support all of them
[04:55] <axis> bojangles, : that's the name of the alternative? sweet great tip
[04:55] <kevogod> axis: You have an ATI card?
[04:55] <concept10> Madpilot, I want some switcher stories, I putting together some presentations for some small business.  I want to know how to address normal peoples concerns about switching
[04:56] <axis> kevin, : yah , how'd you know
[04:56] <ksmurf> http:/http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315370
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i compiled the package from breezy and installed it with checkinstall (i couldn't compile it with apt-get source -b because its build dependencies couldn't be satisfied but it apparently compiled fine nonetheless)
[04:56] <kevogod> axis: ATI has poor driver support in Linux.
[04:56] <giant> axis, how can you get MAD FPS by running the program through a non native OS?
[04:56] <nickrud> bojangles, does xen do windows again?
[04:56] <ksmurf> There is a couple of questions I have like how do I do it
[04:56] <giant> I though it did
[04:56] <kevogod> axis: You need to get the fglrx drivers from ATI's site.
[04:56] <axis> giant, : beyond me, i haven't done it yet.. ..
[04:56] <tritium> ksmurf, you're always welcome to ask
[04:56] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, the program not only is fixed but in the 2.11.5 version, there are sane choices for ending or killing a program and there's a device section- very nice indeed
[04:56] <bojangles> nickrud, well right now...you can run patched versions of the hurd, linux, and bsd under xen
[04:56] <concept10> Any more takers please?
[04:56] <ksmurf> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315370
[04:56] <memoryleek> concept10: i'll write
[04:57] <axis>  i don't even play  games on my pc, i use my xbox for that
[04:57] <bojangles> nickrud, and since it was paid for by the taxpayers it is free
[04:57] <axis> pure video editing
[04:57] <nickrud> concept10, I'll write as well
[04:57] <concept10> jasoncohen, how is it going?
[04:57] <MIK3MAN> tritium: I am reburning it right now
[04:57] <axis> and not 3D rendering
[04:57] <knowledge_> wow...this rpm rebuild is taking forever
[04:57] <thoreauputic> concept10: how recent is "recent" ? ;-)
[04:57] <tritium> kevogod, unless of course you're on ubuntu, and you can use the ubuntu fglrx support
[04:57] <ksmurf> tririum .... It's in the paste bin....
[04:57] <axis> tritium, : how do you enable that
[04:57] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, good luck
[04:57] <ksmurf> it's about bash scripts and starting them at startup
[04:57] <Madpilot> concept10: well, I switched from XP bout 2-3 months ago. I'll trash out a semi-coherent email for you later tonight
[04:57] <jasoncohen> concept10, quite well. i've been busy lately but other than that i'm doing well.
[04:57] <tritium> axis, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:57] <axis> link me
[04:57] <kevogod> tritium: Ubuntu does not come with fglrx.
[04:57] <axis> nice
[04:58] <MIK3MAN> I'll keep ya posted, 35%
[04:58] <jasoncohen> concept10, how are you?
[04:58] <tritium> kevogod, sure it does
[04:58] <kevogod> You have to add repositories.
[04:58] <nickrud> ksmurf, that seems pretty generic
[04:58] <ksmurf> and how to write one
[04:58] <MIK3MAN> burning it slower this time
[04:58] <kevogod> (Or enable)
[04:58] <qt2> bojangles, what's this 'zen' you speak of?
[04:58] <giant> how good is ubuntu's Radeon support?
[04:58] <tritium> kevogod, no, it's in restricted, which is enabled by default
[04:58] <qt2> oh... xen...
[04:58] <giant> Xen... its a VM program
[04:58] <ksmurf> nickrud that's what I thought
[04:58] <giant> suposed to be really good
[04:58] <kevogod> They're still not installed.
[04:58] <concept10> thoreauputic,  It really doesnt matter, I just need people that have had no prior linux experience (you know someone from Red Hat 5.2).  Im looking for recent switchers.  There is no money in this for me.  Just something im working on
[04:58] <kevogod> The drivers.
[04:58] <qt2> i see...
[04:59] <tritium> kevin, but they are avialable for installation
[04:59] <qt2> hm... i wonder if its in synaptic... o.o;
[04:59] <nickrud> ksmurf, but accurate
[04:59] <tritium> kevogod, ^^^
[04:59] <MIK3MAN> brb
[04:59] <ksmurf> I'm looking to write a script ( like a dos BAT file)
[04:59] <thoreauputic> concept10: I don't think I qualify :)
[04:59] <concept10> jasoncohen, good.  I have something that you may be interested in.
[04:59] <ksmurf> and have it go at startup
[04:59] <kevogod> So downloading them ATI's site or from Restricted... what's the difference?
[04:59] <kevogod> *from
[04:59] <tritium> ksmurf, actually, you should look into update-rc.d
[04:59] <jasoncohen> concept10, sure- PM me
[04:59] <qt2> concept10, err, i switched from windows recently, though i dont know how my help i can be.
[05:00] <kevin> I am slowly learning about linux and it's bells and whistles. The important part is I am learning with a lot of patience from the good people around me both home and online
[05:00] <tritium> kevogod, ATI's site doesn't have nice .deb packages that will be managed by the package management system
[05:00] <ksmurf> tritium... commands can go from there?
[05:00] <giant> I've been running linux for a bit
[05:00] <tritium> ksmurf, see the manpage for update-rc.d on how to use it to add startup scripts
[05:00] <ksmurf> k
[05:00] <ksmurf> thanks
[05:00] <giant> but its mostly if it doens't install and go to a GUI I'm at a loss as to how to debug it and make it work
[05:00] <giant> so I'mnot a very good linux person yet
[05:00] <nickrud> ksmurf, for example, you could create a bash script that does  'hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom', drop it into /etc/init.d, and use update-rc.d to add it to the /etc/rc2.d directory
[05:00] <memoryleek> how many of you are running ubuntu on a laptop
[05:01] <kevin> I am
[05:01] <giant> I would be...but my lappy is buggered
[05:01] <anto9us> me too
[05:01] <aru> I am
[05:01] <tritium> memoryleek, lots of us
[05:01] <kevin> how do I change my nick?
[05:01] <chalenged> i have it on 8 laptops for work atm..
[05:01] <identp> im having a small problem with kopete, anyone use this message client?
[05:01] <Ubuntuguide> I am
[05:01] <memoryleek> kevin: did you have any probs during install???...i'm going to buy a laptop soon and just wondering
[05:01] <kevin> nope, I am running a p1 233 and it went seamlessly
[05:01] <ksmurf> nickrud That's what I want.....  how do I write the script
[05:02] <identp> i am running kubuntu on a dell laptop
[05:02] <bojangles> tritium, what is up with the gpl version of cinerella and why does it require a dual opteron 64
[05:02] <chalenged> identp  i did for a while then went to gaim when ms changed to v7 protocols as kopete broke ...i beleive its fixed now tho
[05:02] <memoryleek> kevin: server install?
[05:02] <Ubuntuguide> running on a dell c840, no prob
[05:02] <tritium> bojangles, no idea - never used it.  Sorry.
[05:02] <kevin> nope, boot from cd
[05:02] <tritium> Ubuntuguide, same here.
[05:02] <memoryleek> ohh...is the WiFi support good?
[05:03] <Ubuntuguide> tritium, works good, right?
[05:03] <tritium> Ubuntuguide, every bit, from nvidia to suspend-to-ram
[05:03] <kevin> seams to be I am using my d-link dwl-g650 to talk to you
[05:03] <Ubuntuguide> using cisco aironet 350 pcmcia wifi
[05:03] <anto9us> I'm running a Dell Inspiron 9100, suspend is my only issue but that's because of the binary ATI drivers
[05:03] <identp> chalenged, i am having trouble seeing or receiving messages from AIM and AOL users, is this similar to your experience?
[05:03] <nickrud> ksmurf, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315372
[05:03] <ksmurf> u rock
[05:03] <memoryleek> kick ass...i want a laptop but i dont want to dual boot it...i just want linux on it...thanks
[05:04] <kevin> that's all I use in my personal life
[05:04] <gyaresu_> debian on an m5200n laptop. works perfect. should work with ubuntu
[05:04] <ksmurf> nickrud how do I make it exacutable
[05:04] <nickrud> ksmurf, sudo chmod u+x /etc/init.d/<whatever you named it>
[05:04] <bojangles> gyaresu, well debian sarge is in fair shape but still has a few bugs.
[05:05] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: yea i used to run debian...if that works on a laptop then i know this will
[05:05] <kevin> I use suse 9.2 on my desktop and ubuntu on my laptop
[05:05] <memoryleek> i couldnt get debian 3.1 to install...kept hanging
[05:05] <bojangles> memoryleek, well look at the boot options
[05:05] <kevin> I could but I hhave a prob with Debian, my lack of knowledge
[05:05] <gyaresu_> bojangles, memoryleek yeah. this is a new asus and even the ipw2200 wireless is working. don't know about the modem of course ;)
[05:06] <memoryleek> bojangles: yea i'd have to go over it again..but i'm satisfied with ubuntu for now
[05:06] <nickrud> ksmurf, then, sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults
[05:06] <bojangles> gyaresu, well i heard intel released some free source code for their own wireless
[05:06] <gyaresu_> memoryleek, noacpi
[05:06] <giant> I'm liking ubuntu... not as many programs as my SuSE 9.3 install..but it works pretty good
[05:06] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: well it hung when it was configuring the network settings
[05:06] <gyaresu_> bojangles, i use the native drivers and they do monitor mode. all i need.
[05:06] <nickrud> ksmurf, correction,  sudo update-rc.d <whatever you named it> defaults 99
[05:06] <bojangles> gyaresu, but nobody gives a shit about wireless....they are all trying to get the tunable laser networks working
[05:06] <tritium> giant, there should be more programs available than in Suse
[05:07] <misfit_toy> giant, not as many programs??? there are MORE
[05:07] <Ubuntuguide> giant you should be able to install anything you want
[05:07] <delltony> real quick simple question how do you mount a dvd ? isn't it mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /pathtomountpoint ?
[05:07] <bojangles> gyaresu, and the solid state hard drives with fiber optics coupling
[05:07] <kevin> I used suse 9.3 on my desktop pc untilmy desktop disapeared 4x
[05:07] <gyaresu_> memoryleek, do use ubuntu. much more of the 'just works' factor.
[05:07] <tritium> giant, approximately 15,000
[05:07] <giant> I can.... I mean on a default intall
[05:07] <aru> giant: There are more available, just fewer installed by default
[05:07] <memoryleek> gyaresu_: exactly....i like it a lot
[05:07] <chalenged> i think ive managed to get 1 / 17 modems in laptops to work with a free driver
[05:07] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok installing ubuntu take 2!!
[05:07] <misfit_toy> giant, you get less crap up front. ;)
[05:07] <gyaresu_> delltony, 'mount cdrom'
[05:07] <thoreauputic> giant: enable universe and multiverse and choose from ~ 16 000 packages :)
[05:07] <tritium> MIK3MAN, good luck, buddy :)
[05:07] <giant> and that is nice
[05:07] <gyaresu_> delltony, if it's listed in the /etc/fstab
[05:08] <identp> does anyone know what version of KDE comes with kubuntu 5.04 or how i could find out?
[05:08] <delltony> its not
[05:08] <giant> misfit_toy, Probably the reason Ubuntu loads in a fraction of the time
[05:08] <liquidten> identp: open up kcontrol
[05:08] <MIK3MAN> tritium: right away its asking me for my ESSID for my wifi
[05:08] <memoryleek> identp: none come with, but you can get 3.4
[05:08] <kevin> chalenged: I have gotten most laptop modems working with the good help of some programmer friends
[05:08] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay
[05:08] <misfit_toy> giant, yes, and everything you need to get goin', tastes great, less filling.
[05:08] <misfit_toy> ;)
[05:08] <gyaresu_> identp, #kubuntu
[05:08] <delltony> actually it is
[05:09] <delltony> entry is /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> tritium: it actually see's the card, but I dont know what to put here???
[05:09] <delltony> so id mount cdrom0 ?
[05:09] <identp> thanks, its pretty quiet in #kubuntu
[05:09] <tritium> MIK3MAN, do you use an essid?
[05:09] <gyaresu_> delltony, and a symlink to /dev/cdrom i'm guessing.
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> not yet.. no WEP
[05:09] <kevin> it is scarey what they can do with even the OLD versions of Linux
[05:09] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, leave it blank
[05:09] <gyaresu_> delltony, got X ?
[05:09] <MIK3MAN> ok
[05:09] <teferi> i think i have a prototype...
[05:10] <nickrud> teferi, I'll be happy to be a test bed
[05:10] <gyaresu_> delltony, just eject it and then reinsert the disk. should automount
[05:10] <teferi> nickrud: not until i confirm it works...
[05:10] <nickrud> if I can do it, anyone can :)
[05:10] <teferi> it's less than 20 lines of code
[05:10] <kevin> tritium: has MILK done an iwlist scan?
[05:10] <teferi> and this test message i just sent myself isn't arriving...
[05:11] <tritium> kevin, he says he hasn't setup WEP on his router, unless I misunderstood him
[05:11] <teferi> YES!
[05:11] <kevin> tritium: woops there I go again, I don't know the whole story, sorry
[05:11] <shad0w> thanks guys! i got mp3s to work
[05:11] <teferi> It WORKS
[05:11] <delltony> its works i can play it but its only if i using xine and point it to /dev/hdc
[05:11] <tritium> kevin, no need to apologize, thanks for double-checking :)
[05:12] <kevin> yw
[05:12] <gyaresu_> delltony, who are you talking to?
[05:12] <MIK3MAN> tritium: ok, DHCP has failed cause I have to configure the wifi later, I have a menu here, should I choose do not configure network at this time?
[05:12] <teferi> nickrud: lemme clean this up (actually put it in a file :)) and i'll shoot you a copy
[05:12] <teferi> it's really really simple
[05:12] <tritium> MIK3MAN, how many wireless routers are in your proximity?
[05:12] <MIK3MAN> 2
[05:13] <MIK3MAN> sorry 1 router, 2 cards
[05:13] <nickrud> teferi, I'll hang out for a while
[05:13] <knowledge_> what is meant by cd rpmdir in http://www.bitpim.org/developer.html
[05:13] <giant> wish me luck
[05:13] <knowledge_> ?
[05:13] <teferi> nickrud: yeah, i have to handle a few more cases than the code does right now, but the basic thing is *tiny*
[05:13] <giant> i'mt rying to get 3d on my ubuntu
[05:13] <teferi> i really wonder why no one did this sooner!
[05:13] <memoryleek> good luck
[05:13] <nickrud> teferi, I gotta go for 10 min, be back
[05:13] <tritium> MIK3MAN, just the one?  It's yours?
[05:13] <teferi> okay
[05:13] <giant> but I've been drinking...so if I don't totally screw it up... it should work
[05:13] <memoryleek> lol
[05:13] <giant> or I'll hose my xwindows
[05:13] <memoryleek> been there done that
[05:14] <delltony> gyaresu,  anyone that will listen and help i have the fstab entry
[05:14] <delltony> but i get bad superblock when trying to mount media/cdrom0 when a dvd is in the drive
[05:14] <MIK3MAN> Im in a basement with concrete walls.. I think just mine, I mean I could pull up a sniffer
[05:14] <gyaresu_> delltony, do you have a GUI?
[05:15] <gyaresu_> delltony, i'm just wondering hy you are trying to mount it manually
[05:15] <tritium> MIK3MAN, can you drop to a virtual console, and verify you're seeing with iwlist please?
[05:15] <knowledge_> anyone?
[05:15] <MIK3MAN> tritium: its not installed, Im on winblows remember?? heh
[05:16] <aru> its windows
[05:16] <MIK3MAN> I figure I could skip the network and use madwifi after
[05:16] <tritium> MIK3MAN, you're right.  Well, how important is getting networking configured right now rather than later?
[05:17] <ksmurf> nickrud .... that didn't like me either
[05:17] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, you are using the wrong instructions.
[05:17] <ultraquix> Does ubuntu not allow regular root logins on virtual terminals
[05:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, if you wish to proceed with the installation, go for it
[05:17] <knowledge_> gyaresu, how so?
[05:17] <ksmurf> sorry fixed
[05:17] <Capilano> hello all !
[05:17] <qt2> Remember folks.. dont drink and config/compile. ;;<
[05:17] <tritium> ultraquix, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:17] <MIK3MAN> but I may get errors down the line when there is apt-get update, or that kinda stuff
[05:17] <tritium> MIK3MAN, that's fine.    I won't be sticking around much longer, though.
[05:18] <knowledge_> gyaresu, I see....I'm at the "cd rpmdir" line...but I don't know what the dir is....
[05:18] <Capilano> I was tweaking my system, and I delete the following directory: /usr/share/fonts Now I cannot, of course log back into a system that has no fonts. Any suggestion
[05:18] <giant> wait...maybe I should ask before I go
[05:18] <knowledge_> gyaresu, any input?
[05:18] <giant> wondering if I did this right
[05:18] <MIK3MAN> thats ok
[05:19] <giant> I downloaded and installed the fglrx
[05:19] <MIK3MAN> If this dont work, ubuntu dont like my hardware
[05:19] <kevin> I will be here for 45 mins or so
[05:19] <Jivemonkey> anyone have updated info on mono repository for ubuntu?
[05:19] <tritium> MIK3MAN, okay, good luck to you :)
[05:19] <Jivemonkey> the ones listed in the wiki are out of date
[05:19] <giant> then ran the 'echo fglrx  | sudo tee -a /etc/modules'
[05:19] <chris_> what file needs to be edited to allow root login at gui login screen?
[05:19] <Capilano> so did I, for a lack of a better word
[05:19] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i presume it doesn't just make a folder in the directory you rmpbuil in then?
[05:19] <kevin> Jvemonkey: sorry not I
[05:19] <giant> then added that one line to the xorg.cong because I have an nforce2 board
[05:20] <giant> did I miss anything?
[05:20] <knowledge_> gyaresu, no sir
[05:20] <ukato> with a wireless card, do you have to do any other configuration than what's in Networking in the Admin menu of GNOME
[05:20] <qt2> MIK3MAN, you can force ubuntu to like any hardware pretty much ;)
[05:20] <giant> knowledge_, I'm guessin gthat was for me?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> chris_: that's generally deprecated, but you can configure it in the settings for GDM
[05:20] <tritium> Good night, all.
[05:20] <giant> oh or not
[05:21] <aru> chris_: there is really no reason to log in as root
[05:21] <MIK3MAN> qt2: yeah, but I am a noob to linux, maybe a week or so, there are other distros just until I get comfy
[05:21] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, why don't you just apt-get install wxpython2.5.3 ?
[05:21] <knowledge_> I need 2.6
[05:21] <ultraquix> My ATI IXP audio is not coming up, although the likely culprit kernel module atiixp.ko is
[05:21] <Captain> .
[05:21] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, ah. sorry. reading that now.
[05:21] <qt2> MIK3MAN, so didnt i.
[05:22] <Jivemonkey> anyone in here using mono?
[05:22] <MIK3MAN> qt2: like I was telling everyone Mepis went in without a hitch, I just want to test all the flavors
[05:22] <qt2> MIK3MAN, i've been on linux for a total of 1.5 weeks :P
[05:22] <qt2> MIK3MAN, heh, i se.
[05:22] <MIK3MAN> lol
[05:22] <qt2> *see
[05:22] <chris_> i have  a firewire disc that will mount but not let me record to it. Says I dont have permission but my username is owner/group and permissions are -R 775. Anyone know what's up?
[05:22] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, looks to me like rpmbuild should build you a folder in the same dir
[05:23] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i'm guessing it doesn't or you wouldn't be asking
[05:23] <kevin> I have been using linux off and on for a year now, forthe past 3 months solid but have finally gotten to whereI do things myself instead of havingothers do for me
[05:23] <knowledge_> i thought it would be in /usr/src/rpm/RPMS/i386 but the next command doesn't do anything
[05:23] <MIK3MAN> Micro$oft is going to start checking product keys to validate windows update now
[05:23] <thoreauputic> chris_: what file system is on that disc?
[05:23] <MIK3MAN> time to switch to linux
[05:23] <knowledge_> gyaresu, nope...
[05:24] <Capilano> in a hurry Mik3
[05:24] <kevin> MILK3MAN: yes they are that's one reason for my deployment to Linux
[05:24] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, rpmbuild log?
[05:24] <Will_> MIK3MAN: Or to pay for your operating system
[05:24] <kevin> <--- cannot afford legal windblows
[05:24] <kevogod> MIK3MAN: I have completely removed myself from Windows.
[05:24] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, specify it to log on the command line/
[05:24] <MIK3MAN> lol
[05:24] <ep> on validating produckt key, you mean Longhorn?
[05:24] <chris_> thoreauputic - i am noob so i dont know for sure but i brought it to this machine from a Mac so I must believe HFS+
[05:24] <memoryleek> who can afford windows legally?
[05:24] <Capilano> I HEARD ABOUT THAT LAST YEAR AND DID IT THEN, NO REGRET UNTIL TODAY
[05:24] <Nsaneice> Not I, memoryleek
[05:24] <Capilano> oups
[05:24] <knowledge_> gyaresu, there's an extremely long log
[05:24] <MIK3MAN> yeah, I read the article, like 95% is pirated in China
[05:24] <kevin> ep: no, xp, 2k and all of that I believe
[05:25] <Capilano> sorry about that people
[05:25] <MIK3MAN> india is like 80%
[05:25] <memoryleek> hehe...my college sells microsoft software for 7 bucks a CD...LEGALLY
[05:25] <chris_> thoreauputic - i can read it though
[05:25] <memoryleek> but they limit you to one copy :(
[05:25] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, good. :) any clues in it?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> chris_: if it's ntfs you can't write to it - hfs+ I'm unsure but I think is writable
[05:25] <kevogod> Microsoft subsidizes to monopolize.
[05:25] <knowledge_> gyaresu, not that I can see...
[05:25] <Capilano> yes, but once the sn has been use
[05:25] <kevin> yup lol kevogod
[05:25] <knowledge_> should I pastebin it so you can take a gander?
[05:26] <snackalot> 7 dollars i paid 100 those assholes
[05:26] <chris_> thoreauputic - i have written to it in past, but suddenly i cant, even when sudo change permissions.
[05:26] <Madpilot> kevogod: well put. and memoryleek's school probably paid $$$$$ for their licences.
[05:26] <MIK3MAN> memoryleek: I'll paypal ya, send me a valid key for XP Pro for $7 ;)
[05:26] <memoryleek> haha...wish i could
[05:26] <snackalot> someone should hack there ass and shut them down
[05:26] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, updatedb ; locate py2.3
[05:26] <kevogod> Madpilot: They pigeon hole you into using their operating system.
[05:26] <memoryleek> Madpilot: i'm sure they did...and my tuition keeps going sky high
[05:26] <thoreauputic> chris_: you might need to have a file system specified in /etc/fstab for it
[05:27] <Capilano> perhaps, but maybe they are using Linux servers
[05:27] <kevogod> "Sky High" - a great Kurt Russell film I'm sure of it!
[05:27] <chris_> thoreauputic - do you have a link for tutorial?
[05:27] <memoryleek> haha
[05:27] <thoreauputic> chris_: for fstab?
[05:27] <Nsaneice> Hey, is there anyway I can shorten the timeout on the "Configuring Network interfaces"? It takes to long with the eth0 and wlan0.
[05:27] <chris_> thoreauputic - sorry, like i said, noob
[05:27] <gyaresu_> snackalot, language please.
[05:27] <snackalot> english
[05:27] <knowledge_> gyaresu,  updatedb ; locate py2.3
[05:27] <knowledge_> lol
[05:28] <Will_> snackalot: Hack who?
[05:28] <knowledge_> gyaresu, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/655
[05:28] <snackalot> microsoft assholes
[05:28] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, why lol?
[05:28] <gyaresu_> snackalot, please stop.
[05:28] <aru> snackalot: calm down
[05:28] <thoreauputic> chris_: ah OK - well a start is to run " less /etc/fstab " and have a look at it, then try reading man fstab
[05:28] <snackalot> 4 overcharging for there shit
[05:28] <Capilano> any idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?
[05:28] <Will_> IBM has _just_ stopped support for OS2. JUST. Do you really think windows will 'go away' in our lifetime? Stop bitching.
[05:28] <knowledge_> because I meant to paste the url
[05:28] <thoreauputic> chris_: man fstab won't make much sense at first ;)
[05:28] <gyaresu_> snackalot, STOP SWEARING
[05:28] <aru> bob2: snackalot is out of hand :)
[05:29] <giant> OFG.... it worked
[05:29] <snackalot> sorry OK just makes me mad
[05:29] <ksmurf> ok I followed the instruction and still no go ... the shell script is at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375.  I ran the script to see if it would work and it does, but not at startup.
[05:29] <giant> I can now get my screensavers 3d
[05:29] <giant> AWSOME
[05:29] <chris_> thoreauputic - firewire not in fstab
[05:29] <giant> ubunto rocks
[05:29] <thoreauputic> chris_: if you hang on a minute I'll see if I can find a link for you
[05:29] <MIK3MAN> snackalot: I'll take some blame, I started the Micro$oft talk
[05:29] <ksmurf> can i list my init.d?
[05:29] <chris_> thoreauputic - i have it open in pico
[05:29] <Nsaneice> Yea Ubuntu is nice, its even better when you install it as server and not default
[05:30] <snackalot> what do you expect im a constrution worker
[05:30] <thoreauputic> chris_: how are you mounting it?  Is it just appearing automagically?
[05:30] <MIK3MAN> but hey! we are converting
[05:30] <aru> MIK3MAN: #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:30] <snackalot> thats ok
[05:30] <chris_> thoreauputic - yes
[05:30] <ultraquix> upgrading kernel...
[05:30] <vkm> I'm trying to install acroread via apt on Ubuntu Hoary. My only nonstandard apt sources are universe/multiverse, backports and nerim. When I try to install acroread, apt tells me it wants a newer version of libc6 than the one currently installed. Have I somehow broken my package system or is there some other apt source I should add?
[05:30] <ep> your college has probably entered into some "agreement" with Microsoft.  So they get they money via your tax dollars.  Its one way or another.
[05:30] <knowledge_> gyaresu, nothing on the locate
[05:30] <thoreauputic> chris_: OK, well I'm not sure how that works - probably gnome-volume-manager is doing it
[05:30] <knowledge_> you see anything in the url?
[05:31] <snackalot> can someone tell me were to go to get hacking tuts
[05:31] <ultraquix> boot boot
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, get rid of nerim
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, acroread is in mutliverse
[05:31] <kevin> bbiab
[05:31] <vkm> Burgundavia: Is there a more ubuntu-centric source for the nerim packages?
[05:31] <chris_> thoreauputic - it is possible to add this to my fstab manually though?
[05:31] <Burgundavia> vkm, hoary-extras from the backports project
[05:31] <ksmurf> nickrud...? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/315375 is the script... but it didn't start at startup.
[05:31] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, yeah and nothing in the /usr/src/RPMS/i386 ?
[05:31] <teferi> nickrud: okay, i have a working test script
[05:32] <knowledge_> gyaresu, no sir
[05:32] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, hmmm.
[05:32] <teferi> it's probably not written in The Python Way, but it works
[05:32] <thoreauputic> chris_: probably, but I don't know how, sorry - someone else might
[05:32] <vkm> Burgundavia: Thanks. Will switch. But: Removing nerim shouldn't affect my acroread troubles, no?
[05:32] <chris_> thoreauputic - thank you for the help though. i have a place to start now.
[05:32] <Burgundavia> vkm, nerim is for sarge, not hoary
[05:32] <MIK3MAN> looks like my installation is going in with no errors
[05:33] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, locate rpm
[05:33] <MIK3MAN> woohoo
[05:33] <Burgundavia> vkm, and acroread is part of the offiical uubuntu repos
[05:33] <spermie_411>  is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???
[05:33] <knowledge_> gyaresu, actually there is...but the alien *py2.3* isn't doing anything
[05:33] <thoreauputic> chris_: you're welcome - good luck :)
[05:33] <giant> um thats not right
[05:33] <giant> I tried running Hugo's Smoke and it froze
[05:33] <giant> I guessing thats a problem with the 3d driver I just intalled
[05:34] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, what's the name of the py file  in the /usr/src/blah
[05:34] <giant> Radeon 9800 pro
[05:34] <giant> I installed the fglrx
[05:34] <giant> and put the part in the config file for the nfore2 chipset
[05:35] <giant> anyone know where I could look for log output
[05:35] <knowledge_> wxPython2.6-devel-gtk2-unicode-<IP_ADDRESS>-1.i386.rpm  wxPython2.6-gtk2-unicode-<IP_ADDRESS>-1.i386.rpm  wxPython-common-gtk2-unicode-<IP_ADDRESS>-1.i386.rpm
[05:35] <MIK3MAN> giant: you may know this already, but I was just on ATI site and I seen that the 9800 has genuine drivers, just so you know
[05:35] <thoreauputic> giant: /var/log
[05:35] <mjkelly93> /var/log/
[05:35] <gyaresu_> giant, /var/llogXorg.0.log
[05:35] <giant> MIK3MAN, would the genuine driver work better than the ones I got with apt-get
[05:35] <gyaresu_> giant, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:35] <MIK3MAN> giant: genuine for linux I mean
[05:36] <knowledge_> gyaresu,  you meant that?
[05:36] <spermie_411>  is there any vet or doctor IRCS to get medical advice???
[05:36] <mjkelly93> im lookin for someone very experienced with fglrx, im very close to having the module run correctly
[05:36] <vkm> Burgundavia: Thanks much.
[05:36] <MIK3MAN> giant: I would say yes, cause if ATI is backing them...
[05:36] <giant> MIK3MAN, Makes sence
[05:36] <blmartin777> Do you install new kernels with synaptics package manager?
[05:36] <mjkelly93> any takers for help with fglrx and a radeon 9250?
[05:36] <MIK3MAN> check it out, Im sure it was the 9800 series
[05:37] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, yeah.
[05:38] <knowledge_> gyaresu, any idea on why the alien command isn't working?
[05:38] <mjkelly93> noone wants to help with fglrx? cmon i know someone out there wants a challenge :)
[05:38] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, you mean India is pirating Windows at 80%
[05:38] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, i think the 3 packages are rebuilt to show as  'version 2.3' . you could try alien'ing all three of them but i'm not sure.
[05:38] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, instead of paying through the nose.
[05:38] <regeya> isn't Windows offtopic?
[05:39] <synd> regeya, depends.
[05:39] <knowledge_> mann....ahh screw it...I give up
[05:39] <regeya> synd, not really.
[05:39] <blmartin777> Can I install new kernels in synaptics
[05:39] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: I was told off topic, but yeah, they ranked 3rd
[05:39] <synd> regeya, when the ops say its off topic, then its off topic
[05:39] <abhayks> "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" after update of libmsql-mt
[05:39] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, you should be able to make copies and then try alien'ing them without harming anything else.
[05:39] <synd> til then, dont worry
[05:39] <regeya> synd, well pardon moi.
[05:39] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, well they are going to be in big trouble when MS goes to Trusted Network Computing
[05:39] <synd> regeya, yup
[05:40] <giant> I run a .run file from the terminal correct?
[05:40] <knowledge_> I see.
[05:40] <giant> how do I do that?....sorry if I'm a noob
[05:40] <regeya> so who likes pie?
[05:40] <MIK3MAN> thats why I'm here
[05:40] <giant> cherry pie
[05:40] <giant> in the eye
[05:40] <regeya> I like blackberry pie, and apple pie a bit less than blackberry.
[05:40] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, their pirated stuff will no longer work and it will be much more difficult for them to pirate anything
[05:40] <knowledge_> gyaresu, alien wxPython* will work?
[05:40] <regeya> cherry pie and peach pie are right out.
[05:40] <mjkelly93> i just had some shoe fly pie
[05:40] <thoreauputic> giant: what .run file do you have there?
[05:40] <regeya> giant, that's an unusual method for eating pie.
[05:41] <giant> I picked up the ati-driver-installer-8.14.13.run
[05:41] <gyaresu_> knowledge_, should work.
[05:41] <elmagozizou> Hi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT
[05:41] <giant> you got to pop a lot of cherries to get a pie like that
[05:41] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: join #ubuntu-offtopic and I will tell you whats going to happen
[05:41] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, ok.
[05:41] <thoreauputic> giant: have you read the wiki on binary drivers?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[05:41] <ubotu> I heard drivers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[05:41] <giant> no not het
[05:41] <elmagozizou> I mean mplayer in grafic mode
[05:41] <abhayks> libqt3-mt-mysql and libqt3-mysql upgraded and not getting
[05:41] <abhayks> "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"
[05:42] <mjkelly93> giant, if ur installing a radeon 9800, i watched someone in here do it from scratch yesterday with the exact same model following these directions to a T:    https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[05:42] <elmagozizou> in terminal mode is fine
[05:42] <thoreauputic> giant: i suggest you read the ubotu URL above
[05:42] <elmagozizou> Hi, I have a problem with mplayer...I dont know why it show me a message every time is gonna play somethig...The message is something about the FONT
[05:42] <blmartin777> where is a good place to find all available repositories for ubuntu?
[05:42] <ajax_> teferi, I'm back
[05:42] <elmagozizou> Just ins grafic mode, in terminal mode is fine...
[05:42] <hosler> This may sound really stupid, but has anyone been able to get visual studio 6.0 to work on linux yet? I tried wine and crossover, but those send me the same error messages.
[05:42] <kevin> bk for a bit then I am off to bed so I can try and sleep with the drunk twits downstairs slamming doors!!
[05:42] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, try   sudo apt-get install mplayer-fonts
[05:42] <Madpilot> !repos
[05:42] <ubotu> somebody said repos was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:42] <abhayks> anyone does mysql related programming on breezy
[05:42] <abhayks> ?
[05:42] <regeya> hooray, pie isn't offtopic yet!
[05:42] <teferi> ajax_: you want the crude but working script?
[05:42] <Madpilot> blmartin777: read the URL that ubotu just posted
[05:43] <ajax_> heh, I'm ajax, now
[05:43] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, I all ready download that...but doesnt fix
[05:43] <mjkelly93> hmm
[05:43] <giant> I tried that
[05:43] <teferi> i noticed, was confused
[05:43] <mjkelly93> i couldnt get mplayer to install right either so i just use    xine
[05:43] <mjkelly93> i think its better
[05:43] <mjkelly93> too
[05:43] <ajax_> my dialup died, this is nickrud :)
[05:43] <giant> mjkelly93, I tried those... it brings back up my video..but when I try and run a 3d screensaver it locks
[05:43] <mjkelly93> giant, what does fglrxinfo look like?
[05:43] <teferi> i noticed
[05:44] <elmagozizou> but can you play all the formats in XINE?
[05:44] <erudeye> hello
[05:44] <Mechcozmo> hello
[05:44] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, all of them i tried so far
[05:44] <erudeye> i has just install ubuntu
[05:44] <teferi> at any rate, ajax_, wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:44] <erudeye> n i don't have root password
[05:44] <teferi> er, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:44] <ajax_> teferi, I'll give it ago
[05:44] <giant> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9800 Pro Generic
[05:44] <giant> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[05:44] <giant> sorry about that
[05:44] <erudeye> where i can get that pass?
[05:44] <teferi> just run it and wait for mail to show up in your inbox
[05:44] <teferi> the indicator will go away if you click on it or start reading a message
[05:44] <thoreauputic> ajax_: /msg nickserv ghost nickrud <your password>
[05:44] <Mechcozmo> I've been looking at Ubuntu for a bit as a good Linux distro
[05:44] <ajax_> thoreauputic, thanks
[05:45] <IIIEars> erudeye - ubuntu is a bit different it uses a format similar to Macs
[05:45] <thoreauputic> ajax_: then you can reclaim your nick
[05:45] <Mechcozmo> looking at geting into it
[05:45] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[05:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:45] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, let me try it
[05:45] <regeya> can anyone comment on sweetmeats?
[05:45] <erudeye> hello
[05:45] <abhayks> is this really the ubuntu IRC famous for its community ever eger to help others ?
[05:45] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, and mp3s?
[05:45] <thr1ce> abbe80, no
[05:45] <Mechcozmo> Question: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?
[05:45] <thr1ce> abhayks, no
[05:45] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, havent tried mp3s, i use xmms for that
[05:45] <erudeye> where i can get my root pass?
[05:45] <IIIEars> erudeye - check out the link ubotu posted
[05:45] <thoreauputic> abhayks: yeah, we're a myth ;)
[05:45] <regeya> synd, what's your opinion on sweetmeats and sweetbreads?
[05:45] <synd> regeya, say waht?
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> alright, lemme repeat that
[05:46] <synd> regeya, im from the states
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> Question: What are the weaknesses of Ubuntu?
[05:46] <nickrud> ah, that works nicely, thanks again, thoreauputic
[05:46] <erudeye> where is the link?
[05:46] <synd> Mechcozmo, none
[05:46] <redguy> !rootsudo
[05:46] <ubotu> rootsudo is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:46] <IIIEars> !rootsudo
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> i don't believe in software that has no problems
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: a very biased community that thinks Ubuntu is strong ;)
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[05:46] <abhayks> thrlce: great to know u have time to reply to a stupid question of mine but not to a genuine question
[05:46] <Mechcozmo> because I'm looking at going feet-wet with it in terms of Linux
[05:47] <giant> oh wait a minute
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> wondering if I'll outgrow it or somthing
[05:47] <giant> Hufo's Tunnel is working now
[05:47] <giant> sweet
[05:47] <liquidten> abhayks: genuine questions are harder to answer
[05:47] <Capilano> any idea how to reinstall basic fonts ?
[05:47] <Capilano> please
[05:47] <giant> oh well... i'm off to bed... later all
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> also want to know how easy it is to screw up
[05:47] <regeya> synd, but you're familiar with what they are, right?  don't you think they're, well, you know, misnamed?
[05:47] <mjkelly93> giant, try this command:   glxinfo | grep direct
[05:47] <synd> Mechcozmo, problems are few and far between with ubuntu. at least in comparisons to other linux distros. but for the ones that do exist, #ubuntu is here as is the wiki
[05:47] <IIIEars> G'nite giant
[05:47] <abhayks> liquidten: thats true
[05:47] <mjkelly93> giant, nevermind then hehe
[05:47] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: the secret is to get to know repositories and apt or synaptic package management - but don't tell anyone!
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> since the people i do tech work for are notorious for doing that
[05:47] <synd> regeya, no, not really.
[05:47] <Mechcozmo> how is configuration?
[05:47] <giant> it says direct rendering : yes
[05:48] <mjkelly93> anyone out there wanna take a crack at my problems with fglrx for a radeon 9250?
[05:48] <giant> so I guess it is working
[05:48] <mjkelly93> then it should be wroking
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> a bunch of other distros have differing ways
[05:48] <teferi> nickrud: you need python-gnome2-dev and python-gnome2-extras-dev
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: could you be a bit more vague?
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> usually involving vi or emacs
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> yeah
[05:48] <poutine> Hello, I installed ubuntu moments ago on this laptop, and it freezes right after I enter my user/pass in the screen, and plays that sound with the ubuntu splash
[05:48] <teferi> and, uh, python2.4-dbus
[05:48] <giant> then why did Hufo's Smoke lock up but Hufo's tunnel work?
[05:48] <nickrud> teferi, yes, that is small, and thanks for the links. It'll take a while on my measly pipe
[05:48] <giant> who knows
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> our house, all computers have static IPs
[05:48] <teferi> and then it should just work
[05:48] <poutine> I checked /var/log/messages and I don't see anything
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> how hard is that to do?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: generally stuff tends to work out of the box
[05:48] <giant> not important... I wanted the tunnel anyway
[05:48] <giant> later all
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> which is the wrong answer....
[05:48] <mjkelly93> poutine, try     grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:48] <teferi> if it doesn't, privmsg me and ill get back to you tomorrow
[05:48] <teferi> i need sleep
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> i know it works out of the box
[05:48] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - Popular distros come and often go quickly. Ubuntu is Debian. - it'll be around for a long time. - easiest distro yet.
[05:48] <Mechcozmo> with DHCP and stuff
[05:49] <SogniX> has anyone had any success using an ultra ata ide addon card with ubuntu? seems ubuntu throws a fit the moment I install an Adaptec IDE card with two storage drives :(
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> so is there a panel i just open up
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> and enter network info?
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> or do i have to dig through a text file?
[05:49] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, Hey you know that I use xmms but recently it was frezzing because of the audio thig...so I change it to eSound and it play the files but....
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: for static IPs you can enter stuff during install or hack /etc/network/interfaces
[05:49] <Mechcozmo> so i do need to use a text editor
[05:49] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: there's a gui networking thing too
[05:49] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, yeah ya gotta change the output plugin to esound,   ya dont like it?
[05:50] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, the sound isnt very good...any solutions?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> that's what i wanted to know....
[05:50] <TokenBad> besides network tools is there anything else in ubuntu that can do like traceroute?
[05:50] <redguy> Mechcozmo: on install, when dhcp fails you can enter static IPs. Later you would have to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:50] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, huh, nope havent heard that one yet
[05:50] <killapop> Mechcozmo: network-admin gives u a gui to do it thru
[05:50] <nickrud> teferi, python-gnome2-extras-dev does not pull in python-gnome2-extras, do I need that as well?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> see, DHCP is present
[05:50] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - i have only a few eeks with linux so a GUI was mandatory. "Firestarter" firewall  is a snap.
[05:50] <poutine> DRI screen init failed, disabling DRI, hmm, should I remove DRI from my xorg.conf, I take it that was successful since it just was disabling it
[05:50] <elmagozizou> mjkelly93, ok...
[05:50] <crimsun> elmagozizou: what do you mean it's not very good?
[05:50] <teferi> nickrud: it's an empty package, but grab it anyway, just in case(future-proofing, natch...)
[05:50] <IIIEars> erm "Eeks" - oops . "Weeks"
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> but all computer that are fixed have static IPs
[05:50] <Melechorion> Good morning, guys
[05:50] <mjkelly93> elmagozizou, is it only xmms or does the ubuntu sounds sound bad too?
[05:50] <Mechcozmo> don't need a firewall
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> have a Linksys router that does fine on it
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> all my linux boxes, regardless of distro, seem to be having dns resolution lags
[05:51] <nickrud> ok
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> can Ubuntu do any network serving?
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> it takes a bit to get the initial connection made
[05:51] <poutine> ColonelKernel: Could be your nameservers
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: it isn't hard - you just give your IPs, gateway, masks rtc in the install
[05:51] <DarkSpy> inda n/qui
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> like Apache, etc
[05:51] <ColonelKernel> yeah but its not happening in windoze
[05:51] <mjkelly93> poutine, i get that error too, i wouldnt sweat that one
[05:51] <thoreauputic> *etc
[05:51] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel: disable IP6 lookup to speed up the process unless your DNS server supports IP6
[05:51] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - it will enable port forwarding DHCP and other services with a graphical interface. no text editing. - Whew
[05:51] <Mechcozmo> but if later I need to CHANGE the network info, i obviously don't need to reinstall to change those things
[05:51] <poutine> mjkelly93: Well any thoughts on how to fix or debug ths?
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: you can install apache no problem
[05:51] <mjkelly93> poutine, how far does it go? like u get the ubuntu splash screen and all?
[05:52] <poutine> it shows the strip
[05:52] <ColonelKernel> joolz - if youre the guy who did those neat CS cheats, thanks for a few years of wasted time :D
[05:52] <poutine> and it plays the startup sound
[05:52] <poutine> and then it freezes
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> Open Office I assume also works nicely?
[05:52] <poutine> caps lock key stops lighting when I press it
[05:52] <ColonelKernel> [2] BoxingFiend how do I do that?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: changing static IPs is pretty trivial unless you have a big network
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> good to hear
[05:52] <mjkelly93> poutine, how many of the programs load on that script?  all of them?
[05:52] <Mechcozmo> installation is via apt-get or something?
[05:52] <hypermodernist> Anybody know where I can find a PHP 5 .deb?
[05:53] <mjkelly93> poutine, does it freeze on any of them?   did u have any complications during the install?
[05:53] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: apt-get or synaptic (GUI)
[05:53] <nickrud> teferi, I interrupted an mplayer install earlier, I have about 30min to get all the things in the queue, so, I'll let you know when I've tested it
[05:53] <poutine> mjkelly93: nothing loads
[05:53] <zenrox> ok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work
[05:53] <poutine> if there is supposed to be icons on that strip
[05:53] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - "Bastille" is another good graphical interface for iptables.
[05:53] <teferi> nickrud: like I said, I'm going to bed
[05:53] <poutine> it doesn't even get to that
[05:53] <ColonelKernel> i would google it but im in text mode right now
[05:53] <ColonelKernel> fresh install
[05:53] <Mechcozmo> Synaptic is extremely easy to use, I assume?
[05:53] <aru> very
[05:53] <hybrid_goth> ColonelKernel: w3m google.com?
[05:53] <Mechcozmo> I'm pretty much network-admin qualified with OS X and Windows
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> but i want to get into Linux
[05:54] <ColonelKernel> w3m?
[05:54] <mjkelly93> poutine, yeah there is, like 5 of them are default... hmm id say its some kinda problem with gnome, but i couldnt even guess at it
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> tried before, hated the distros
[05:54] <hybrid_goth> ColonelKernel: text browser
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: synaptic is quite easy
[05:54] <ColonelKernel> im not too hot on text browsers
[05:54] <thoreauputic> !synaptic
[05:54] <ubotu> I heard synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:54] <poutine> I'll try disabling sound
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> how is installation?
[05:54] <Mechcozmo> website said easy
[05:54] <nickrud> teferi, good night, and, you can find me here most days about this time
[05:54] <poutine> I didn't like the installation
[05:55] <poutine> it lies about progress
[05:55] <mjkelly93> poutine, what r u using now?  bitchx?
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> but the computer i'm going to install it on has WinXP on it
[05:55] <poutine> mjkelly93: irssi
[05:55] <IIIEars> installing apps is a three mouse click affair with synaptic
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> but there are 4 partitions
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> XP's is NTFS
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> other 3 are FAT32
[05:55] <[2] BoxingFiend> !ip6
[05:55] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I give up, what is it?
[05:55] <mjkelly93> poutine, try running a    sudo apt-get update
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> any foreseeable issues?
[05:55] <La_PaRCa> What driver should I use for an ATI Radeon 9200?
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> i don't want to loose my XP partition
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: ntfs is read-only except with special experimental stuff (captive ntfs)
[05:55] <Mechcozmo> (almost happened once.... not good)
[05:55] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: There should be no problem.
[05:55] <poutine> mjkelly93: I *just* finished the install, and if I was paying attention correctly, it spent hours doing that
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> ok
[05:56] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: either the open-source radeon or fglrx
[05:56] <IIIEars> Boxingfiend - Be nice to the bot a slender database runs much faster.
[05:56] <poutine> hmm
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> so installation should be easy?
[05:56] <mjkelly93> poutine,     it still needs to upgrade more stuff then      like another 60 megs worth for me at least
[05:56] <mjkelly93> then   sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:56] <La_PaRCa> crimsun, is fglrx in universe or in the regular repos?
[05:56] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: It is text-based, but simple.
[05:56] <Mechcozmo> that's fine
[05:56] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: restricted. See wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:56] <Melechorion> with windows u can do everything
[05:56] <nickrud> If I hadn't sworn off programming, this little thing might actually make me want to learn python
[05:57] <poutine> hmm
[05:57] <poutine> brb
[05:57] <La_PaRCa> crimsun, is restricted on by default?
[05:57] <mjkelly93> poutine, ur install took hours?   are u on highspeed?
[05:57] <crimsun> La_PaRCa: yes
[05:57] <IIIEars> nickrud - infonbot?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: be aware you can have a maximum of 4 primary partitions
[05:57] <Melechorion> if u want to learn python help us - www.inselnderwinde.de
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> that's the number I have
[05:57] <nickrud> I can actually read it
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> :-D
[05:57] <zenrox> ok i have a quick question?? ok how do i mount a scvd mount -t iso9660 -o loop dont work i am mounting a local iso file
[05:57] <Mechcozmo> hate that whole partition thing
[05:57] <mjkelly93> anyone wanna help with an fglrx problem???   i have the module installed and everything, just need some help with an xorg.log file....     anyone?
[05:58] <kevin> nickrud: I sore off of programming for one reason; I didn't start using pc's till 5 years ago
[05:58] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: I assume you are going to format one of those FAT32 partitions as EXT3?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: one of those would need to be an extended partition to fit Linux in
[05:58] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  read the howto on the forums
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> there are 4 partitions
[05:58] <kevin> swore
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> so... shouldn't have an issue
[05:58] <nickrud> IIIEars, no, http://wmute.net/~teferi/evo-mail-notify.py
[05:58] <Mechcozmo> right?
[05:58] <Melechorion> Windows4ever^^
[05:58] <mjkelly93> zenrox, im very far passed the howto on the forums
[05:59] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: You will have to choose a partition to format for Ubuntu.
[05:59] <nickrud> kevin, lol, I stopped programming nearly 20 years ago
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> kevogod: I'll assume that is easy to do and when started into XP nothing will happen to it?
[05:59] <kevogod> It will not be FAT32 after you format it.
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: if they are all primaries, one of them would need to be formatted for linux
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> thats fine
[05:59] <zenrox> mjkelly93, the howto will tell you what to edit
[05:59] <IIIEars> nickrud - that would be handy
[05:59] <mjkelly93> zenrox, if u would like to take a look at how far passed i am:   http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49526
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> dont care if it gets reformatted... not doing much anyways
[05:59] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: When you have a chance, mind answering some partition based questions for me?
[05:59] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Windows XP will work fine.
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> actually partitioned it with this in mind
[05:59] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: just sk and if someone knows they will answer
[06:00] <thoreauputic> *ask
[06:00] <mjkelly93> zenrox, its not about editing...   the modules is reading a device at pci bus 1:2:1 and 1:2:0... when my xorg.conf only points at 1:2:0
[06:00] <[2] BoxingFiend> !interface
[06:00] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: No idea
[06:00] <kevogod> Ubuntu adds Windows XP to the boot list in GRUB automatically.
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> XP will be fine, but it wiped my HFS+ USB thumbdrive once without asking me
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> i can't get my root user
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> so what was the solution to my ip6 problem?
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> pass
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> where i can get?
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> will it do that to the partition?
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> !ipv6
[06:00] <ubotu> ColonelKernel: Are you smoking crack?
[06:00] <kevin> nickrud: if I had the understanding of even one program fro programming I might give it a shot but.... you know... dislexia and programming don't mix and match too well
[06:00] <ColonelKernel> no, just weed
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> ubotu
[06:00] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  then tell xorg to use 1:2:1
[06:00] <erudeyeidee> give me the link again
[06:00] <zenrox> thats probly your vid card
[06:00] <Melechorion> but u have to install windows first, than ubuntu
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> its ok
[06:00] <mjkelly93> zenrox, but my card is on 1:2:0
[06:00] <Mechcozmo> XP is already installed
[06:00] <Zerboxx> Well I'm currently have XP on it's own, 2 partitions (C:\ and D:\ for all my docs n music n videos), I want to remove XP, replace it with Ubuntu, and change my D:\ to my /home, how easy will this be to do?
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93, you look at the xorg log file
[06:01] <kevogod> You don't have to. You can add the Chainloader stuff into Grub manually.
[06:01] <zenrox> ??
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> isn't GRUB the bootloader?
[06:01] <mjkelly93> zenrox, yes i have plenty of times
[06:01] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - My windows installation gets virus infected so frequently and it's reinstall fdisks everything. using a seperate Disk for ubuntu is a good idea
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  ok
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> it does that automagically
[06:01] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Yes, it is.
[06:01] <erudeyeidee> hello
[06:01] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  any thage else like errors
[06:01] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: I was just saying you could install Windows second.
[06:01] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:01] <erudeyeidee> i has just install ubuntu n got no root pass
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> where i can get that?
[06:02] <Zerboxx> erudeyeidee: It's your main user's password
[06:02] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  i need to know the error it spits out at you
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> IIIEars: i don't have a seperate disk, sorry, but I rarely reinstall XP
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: Ubuntu uses the Sudo setup.
[06:02] <mjkelly93> zenrox,  there are no EE errors in the xorg.log file besides one that talks about DRI and thats not relevant
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> its fresh right now at least
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> :-p
[06:02] <nickrud> kevin, I hear you
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: The root account is disabled.
[06:02] <kevogod> erudeyeidee: It uses the Mac OS X type of security.
[06:02] <ColonelKernel> brb
[06:02] <kevin> erudeyeidee: sudo su and then password for user
[06:02] <mjkelly93> zenrox, my beliefe is that the computer hangs before it spits those errors out, like a hard hang that i cant alt ctrl f1 out of
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> GRUB is configured automagically?
[06:02] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Yes.
[06:02] <zenrox> mjkelly93, coment out the line for dri
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> how?
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> sow sudo?
[06:02] <Melechorion> now i'll go to the baker -.-
[06:02] <erudeyeidee> gksudo?
[06:02] <Mechcozmo> well the torrent is sucking it down now
[06:02] <IIIEars> I'm new to linux but beginning to come around to the idea of  a linux only home
[06:03] <zenrox> mjkelly93, didja do a modprob
[06:03] <kevin> in a terminal window
[06:03] <mjkelly93> zenrox,  i have that error right now in this loading of X11 and its running fine
[06:03] <kevin> type in sudo su
[06:03] <jorgp> anyone know why \C<Up> would not bind correctly in mutt, #mutt is dead
[06:03] <mjkelly93> zenrox,    ill do u one better and show the part of my kern.log here:
[06:03] <Mechcozmo> 350KiB/s
[06:03] <nickrud> kevin, better is sudo -s
[06:03] <zenrox> mjkelly93,  past in in a msg to me
[06:03] <Mechcozmo> faster than their server?
[06:03] <kevin> oh, okay I will remember that nickrud
[06:04] <erudeyeidee> so, can i get my root pass with current user?
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> what's the format that Ubuntu uses?
[06:04] <Zerboxx> I currently am running an XP only box, 2 partitions (C:\ (windows), and D:\ (Docs)) I want to replace C:\ with ubuntu, and change d:\ with /home, so I keep all the documents/music/videos I have on that partition.  Is this possible to do, and if so, is it "relatively" easy?
[06:04] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: Format as in what?
[06:04] <jasoncohen> i think i asked this before, but does anyone know why the boot-admin program isn't packaged with gnome-system-tools like it is on debian?
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> sorry, hard drive format
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: file system can be ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs
[06:04] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:04] <kevogod> The default is ext3.
[06:05] <kevin> yeyou are root, just type in sudo -s in a terminal and it will ask for pass and you type in your user pass
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> i'll stick with that then...
[06:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, turned back in breezy
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: most people accept the default ext3
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> is there are major difference between those four however?
[06:05] <kevogod> I personally like ReiserFS.
[06:05] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea why it wasn't packaged
[06:05] <IIIEars> Jasoncohen - sounds interesting do you know the app name?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> Mechcozmo, stick with ext3, it is more stable
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: this is material for holy wars ;)
[06:05] <kevogod> ReiserFS is the fastest!
[06:05] <Mechcozmo> hehe
[06:05] <ugo> yeah ReiserFS is cool
[06:06] <Burgundavia> Reiserfs4 may be the fastest, but it is also the newest
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> i was thinking about HFS, HFS+, and HFSX
[06:06] <thoreauputic> kevogod: minix forever!!
[06:06] <sizzam> im trying to compile and install nzbget.  during ./configure, i fail with the following:     checking for inflate in -lz... no
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> when you said that
[06:06] <elmagozizou> Is it posible to play mp3s on xine?
[06:06] <jasoncohen> IIIEars, it's gnome's tool for administering grub/lilo
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> so was wondering
[06:06] <sizzam> any idea how to get around that?
[06:06] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - reiserfs and emacs. - sly grin
[06:06] <jasoncohen> and it's called boot-admin
[06:06] <ugo> very good for laptops too
[06:06] <elmagozizou> i try but it close the program
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> hmmm
[06:06] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, you sure, i just checked breezy and it's not showing up
[06:06] <emX> Zerboxx: you shouldn't mount a Windows drive as your home, although you could easily mount or link to it from *within* your home directory
[06:06] <joolz> ColonelKerne: "CS cheats"?
[06:06] <Mechcozmo> how well does Ubuntu run on older hardware?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> elmagozizou: xine will play just about anything
[06:06] <nickrud> kevin, this time I was right, but, look at my advice thru a lens :)
[06:06] <kevogod> Mechcozmo: It should work fine.
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: that depends...
[06:06] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, shows up on my machine
[06:06] <kevin> ummmmmm okay
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> PII 350MHz?
[06:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=boot-admin&searchmode=searchfilesanddirs&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[06:07] <Zerboxx> emX: I don't want to mount it as my home, I want to change it from ntfs to ext3 so it can be my home, but I want to keep all the files on that partition
[06:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> mech: i run ubuntu on a p3 833 and 384 megs of ram at work... works well
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> thanks
[06:07] <emX> Zerboxx: you can do that, but you'd have to first copy all the files off of it, then reformat it, then copy the files back.
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: on really old hardware you need to use lighter apps and window managers
[06:07] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it is part of gnome-system-tools
[06:07] <Mechcozmo> i have a spare PIII 500MHz 384MB (or is it 512MB?)
[06:07] <[2] BoxingFiend> mech:  p2 should be fine, just get a 32megs or more pci nvidia graphic card and you will be fine
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: should be fine
[06:07] <elmagozizou> thoreauputic, yeap but mp3s close the program...thats why im asking
[06:07] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, yeah- but if you check that link i pasted you'll see there's no boot-admin binary
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> and a PII 350MHz 64MB RAM
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, there is on my machine
[06:08] <kevogod> You might want to consider XFCE if it is antique.
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, packages.ubuntu.com sometimes lags behind
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: 64MB RAM isn't enough for gnome
[06:08] <synd> Mechcozmo, i have it run awesome on a p3 650 with 128MB
[06:08] <kevogod> (as the Desktop Environment)
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:08] <[2] BoxingFiend> i would use fluxbox on an older machine
[06:08] <Zerboxx> emx: Alright, not too tough to do, I assume, how is partitioning handled in ubuntu? or is it just as "dangerous" as it is made to seem in xp?
[06:08] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, dpkg -L gnome-system-tools shows /usr/bin/boot-admin ?
[06:08] <IIIEars> Mechcozmo - Fluxbox and XFCE4 are popular and can be innstalled using synaptic
[06:08] <synd> Mechcozmo, but use XFCE4 or flux
[06:08] <La_PaRCa> ubotu tell me about codecs
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:08] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, yes
[06:08] <Mechcozmo> i'll get used to Ubuntu then try those other ones
[06:09] <synd> ubuntu itself isnt a DM
[06:09] <[2] BoxingFiend> la_parca unbuntuguide.org has a nice write up on codec
[06:09] <emX> Zerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.
[06:09] <kevin> nickrud: me thinks me wife is ready for bed, night and see you all tomorrow
[06:09] <synd> Mechcozmo, gnome is the DM on ubuntu
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> synd: eh?  DM?
[06:09] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i guess it does lag behind- see http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=gnome-system-tools&searchmode=filelist&case=insensitive&version=breezy&arch=i386
[06:09] <Burgundavia> [2] BoxingFiend, please don't recommend the ubuntuguide
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> ah
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> desktop manager
[06:09] <synd> Mechcozmo, desktop manager
[06:09] <Zerboxx_> emx: if you replied to my last comment, I didn't see it, sorry
[06:09] <Mechcozmo> gotit
[06:09] <emX> Zerboxx: partitioning is always 'dangerous', insofar as you can easily goof up your data -- be sure to back it up first.
[06:09] <IIIEars> G'nite - kevin.
[06:09] <La_PaRCa> [2] BoxingFiend, thanks, but I just needed something that I knew was specifically there
[06:09] <Aegir> Well, GNOME is a Window manager. GDM is the Desktop manager
[06:09] <Zerboxx_> emx: thanks!
[06:09] <Burgundavia> La_PaRCa, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:10] <Aegir> But they're kinda one and the same anyway
[06:10] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: there's a whole bunch of alternatives - see  http://xwinman.org
[06:10] <Mechcozmo> alright
[06:10] <parabolize> Aegir: gnome isn't a window manager
[06:10] <nickrud> kevin, good night
[06:10] <identp> has anyone installed the new KDE 3.4.1 ?
[06:10] <Zerboxx_> emX: On a clean install, approximately how much room does Ubuntu take up?
[06:10] <IIIEars> thoreauputic - nice link
[06:10] <Aegir> parabolize, Yeah, spose so
[06:10] <crimsun> identp: see the topic of #kubuntu
[06:10] <synd> Zerboxx_, depends
[06:10] <Burgundavia> Zerboxx_, 1.8 gb
[06:10] <Aegir> But GDM is the desktop manager
[06:10] <Aegir> :)
[06:10] <Zerboxx_> Burgundavia: Thanks :D
[06:10] <parabolize> metacity is
[06:10] <synd> Zerboxx_, default is almost 2g
[06:11] <emX> Zerboxx_: i don't usualy use the deafult; if space is a concern, it can easily come in below 1GB
[06:11] <Aegir> parabolize, I stand corrected, I often refer to GTK, Metacity, and the software itself as Gnome, and being the Window manager. Tad incorrect, but eh.
[06:11] <identp> crimsun, yes that is what prompted me to do so, i am having trouble installing and #kubuntu is pretty quiet
[06:11] <Mechcozmo> well, Ubuntu if i know it to be correct, is like the other Linux distros where you have the shell behind it all
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> and the DM is a program
[06:12] <Zerboxx_> emX: If I were doing a clean insatll, space isn't a problem, but the way I have things set up for my XP box, it may be....I just don't want to have to rip all these cds again
[06:12] <jasoncohen> La_PaRCa, if you want info on how to easily install multimedia codecs see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> which runs other programs(?)
[06:12] <IIIEars> ubotu windowmanagers is http://xwinman.org/ Feel the power of open software and choices.
[06:12] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> Mechcozmo: init runs which runs other programs
[06:12] <emX> Zerboxx_: can you back the ripped files up to DVD or a different computer via the network?
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> ok
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: gdm and kdm are kind of login managers for the GUI
[06:12] <La_PaRCa> god, I ask about codecs because I need the link to the repositories article and I get flooded.
[06:12] <Mechcozmo> ok...
[06:12] <Zerboxx_> emX: Not until September
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> Mechcozmo: init starts all the daemons etc, including GDM, which starts X which starts gnome-session which starts metacity+gnome-panel etc
[06:13] <Mechcozmo> got it
[06:13] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i wonder when boot-admin was added. i don't see anything in the changelog
[06:13] <Mechcozmo> OS/2 was good... but not good enough
[06:13] <IIIEars> <<- still laments the passing of CPM? - grin
[06:13] <memoryleek> any k3b users have problems burning .iso images??
[06:14] <emX> Zerboxx_: i see.
[06:14] <poutine> mjkelly93: I ran the update, to no avail
[06:14] <Mechcozmo> <<--still mourns the Happy Mac
[06:14] <Zerboxx_> Another question regarding a fresh defaul isntall of ubuntu, how does the auto-partitioning work? how much goes to swap, and all that? (if there is a %)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, it was always there, just left out at compile time
[06:14] <poutine> I selected "session" and clicked failsafe gnome, and it froze right after I clicked it too
[06:14] <kevogod> memoryleeK: Works fine for me.
[06:14] <IIIEars> memoryleak - windows prefers the joliet extensions for it's CDs
[06:14] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, and no reason was mentioned for leaving it out?
[06:14] <mjkelly93> poutine,   why did it take u so long to install?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, no idea
[06:14] <memoryleek> kevo did you change any settings
[06:14] <memoryleek> III
[06:14] <memoryleek> IIIEars: what's that?
[06:15] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, look into /etc/rcS.d, which runs before /etc/rc2.d
[06:15] <Mechcozmo> for?
[06:15] <Mechcozmo> nickrud: for what?
[06:15] <nickrud> IIIEars, you really that old ;)
[06:15] <poutine> mjkelly93: because I'm on wireless
[06:15] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, for the things that init runs
[06:16] <mjkelly93> poutine, ahh i c
[06:16] <Mechcozmo> oh
[06:16] <IIIEars> another solid reason i use gnomebaker - musta burned a dozen coasers with the wrong options ( i'm new - lol)
[06:16] <IIIEars> my first computer was an "Eagle II"
[06:16] <Mechcozmo> my first was a Mac Plus
[06:16] <poutine> This is a HP pavilion zv6000US, AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2ghz w/ 512 megs ram, 128 dedicated ATI radeon xpress 200m
[06:16] <poutine> if it helps
[06:16] <nickrud> IIIEars, that thing was not even ibm compatible, if I remember right
[06:16] <IIIEars> got a commodore 64 a bit later
[06:17] <memoryleek> my first puter was an atari...but i was about 3 at the time
[06:17] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, I suspect the reason is that is not the most user-friendly app
[06:17] <poutine> Apple IIgs here
[06:17] <Orborde> I need help setting up a Win98-Ubuntu network over a crossover cable.
[06:17] <IIIEars> nope - worse neither was it a main stream CPM - lol
[06:17] <mjkelly93> poutine,  i really dont know what to tell ya      u can try a    grep EE /var/log/*
[06:17] <nickrud> ah, the atari 800, my second
[06:17] <regeya> o_O
[06:17] <mjkelly93> see if anything pops out there
[06:17] <regeya> a crossover cable!  the important thing is to wire the cable correctly.
[06:17] <enum> question.. I have windows 2000 pro located on /dev/sda2.. I added the approipriate lines to lilo.conf, and I get "error loading opertating system" note:  this was a cut and past from my previous linux os ( same partitioning )
[06:17] <regeya> thoreauputic, you're totally old. ;-)
[06:17] <Mechcozmo> it was external
[06:18] <poutine> nothing :(
[06:18] <thoreauputic> regeya: yep
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> 100MB of pure space
[06:18] <nickrud> the best keyboard, except for the clicky ibm one
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> 8MHz of power
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> nah
[06:18] <Mechcozmo> the first Macs had great keyboard which made springy noises
[06:18] <mjkelly93> poutine,   there was none at all?
[06:18] <Orborde> regeya: Yeah, I messed that up at first. Now they're talking to each other, but I'm not getting Fun Windoze Services.
[06:18] <regeya> and I feel old because some "computer professionals" have never heard of a TRS-80
[06:18] <IIIEars> my first linux was a stab at RH 5.0 (it lasted a few hours before bieng erased with great prejudice.)
[06:18] <regeya> apple logo!
[06:19] <regeya> damn.
[06:19] <Orborde> Oh, wait. Scratch that. It works now. JK. Ignore me. I'm an idiot.
[06:19] <La_PaRCa> You kids these days, when I was young we didnt have "keyboards"
[06:19] <Madpilot> I was about 4 or 5 when Dad got that...
[06:19] <IIIEars> Madpilot - lol
[06:19] <thoreauputic> regeya: affectionately known as Trash-80 ;)
[06:19] <nashife> is anyone here willing to give me (linux newbie girl) some one-on-one help figuring out if I have bad blocks on my hard discs? Ubuntu won't reliably start up and I don't know what it means to unmount my disk in order to run fsck.  the friend I usually ask to help me is frustrated with how I don't know anything and don't understand what he means when he tells me to do something, so I'm looking for someone else who's patient and could
[06:19] <nashife> help me learn how to use badblocks or fsck.
[06:19] <IIIEars> TRS-80 - $2,700 nicely equipped
[06:19] <eltino> a girl asking for one on one?
[06:19] <memoryleek> lol
[06:19] <Mechcozmo> lol
[06:19] <poutine> mjkelly93: just the DRI thing I said earlier
[06:20] <Madpilot> eltino: can it.
[06:20] <nashife> eltino, yeah one-on-one
[06:20] <nashife> haha
[06:20] <mjkelly93> ok    well that kinda makes things a little hard when theres no errors to show
[06:20] <mjkelly93> maybe try shutting down X and restarting it?
[06:20] <jasoncohen> nashife, when you boot up, does fsck say that your file system is corrupted and needs to be checked?
[06:21] <IIIEars> a 20 megabyte hard drive was vast
[06:21] <nickrud> IIIEars, lol, I put over 3,500 into my atari 800, a 93k drive, a color monitor, and a printer :)
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> i have 100MB of space
[06:21] <Zerboxx> emX: Thanks for your help, I think what I'll do is wait until I can..."borrow" a friends computer to transfer files over, then clean install, and take'em back
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> 9" B&W monitor
[06:21] <Mechcozmo> 800KB floppies were the limit though
[06:21] <nashife> jasoncohen, I don't think so. i would have remembered the word 'corrupted' or soemthing.  it doesn't boot up at all for a while. hangs at "starting ubuntu". then randomly it continues after i power down. last time it rebooted, gave me an error I didn't write down, and dropped me into a root user prompt. (!!!)
[06:22] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, an S100 bus machine?
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> i must leave
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> lol
[06:22] <jasoncohen> nashife, when did this start happening?
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> no nickrud
[06:22] <IIIEars> visicalc was a ram/processor hog. (most jpg files are larger than it is)
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> Mac Plus
[06:22] <nashife> then i typed 'exit' and it finally loaded the rest of ubuntu.
[06:22] <nashife> it started this today.
[06:22] <Madpilot> a friend still has a 650Mb drive in daily use. You could fit the *entire* thing on one CD...
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> 1MB of RAM, 8MHz 68000, 800KB floppy drive
[06:22] <nashife> before today, it would occaisionally restart randomly and I thought it was overheating... so I have a new fan and i'm watching the temp
[06:22] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, k
[06:22] <Mechcozmo> yup
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> 100MB external SCSI drive
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> it still runs
[06:23] <nashife> but it rebooted randomly today, and that's when it wouldn't boot up successfully
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> i have it right here
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> :-)
[06:23] <IIIEars> Madpilot - thats cool. - You can't wear them out.
[06:23] <Madpilot> nashife: I had something similar happen. turned out to be a bad motherboard
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Mechcozmo: luxury ;-)
[06:23] <emX> Zerboxx: ok; good luck.
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> no kiddin'
[06:23] <nickrud> Mechcozmo, I can remember envying you
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> i must leave
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> after the torrent is over my Powerbook is taking a sleep
[06:23] <Mechcozmo> nickrud: my friend's first computer was a K2
[06:23] <nashife> Madpilot, yick... bad motherboard...?  it's possible for me. all my hardware is pretty old and basically parts from friends
[06:23] <slave> how do you burn .iso file to cd "setup for installation cd" ?
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> but by that time i had the fastest video card on the block
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> including his
[06:24] <La_PaRCa> slave, right click->burn to cd
[06:24] <nashife> so, can someone help me learn how to use fsck?
[06:24] <jasoncohen> nashife, and what did your friend tell you to do. sounds like you need to run fsck from a failsafe mode
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> nashlife: don't fsck unprotected!
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> gnight everybody
[06:24] <anggie_aqr> hi
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> (conversation dies)
[06:24] <Madpilot> nashife: ouch. mine was brand-new and still covered by warrenty, thank Dog...
[06:24] <Mechcozmo> (damnit i always do that)
[06:25] <slave> La_PaRCA, thanks ! let me try out
[06:25] <anggie_aqr> how to find out our ubuntu version, iam newbie linux either ubuntu
[06:25] <nashife> Madpilot, he told me to go into 'single user mode' and run it. but i don't know what that means, and he got annoyed with me when I asked him to step-by-step explain it.
[06:25] <nashife> so i came here.
[06:25] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: type   cat /etc/issue in a terminal
[06:25] <nickrud> nashife, telinit 1 will get you single user mode
[06:25] <nashife> er, that last msg was for jasoncohen
[06:25] <anggie_aqr> ok i`ll try
[06:26] <Madpilot> nashife: if it is hardware, you're out of luck. but try fsck, it won't hurt.
[06:26] <nickrud> *sudo telinit 1
[06:26] <nalioth> nashife: there is a hard drive monitoring suite, if you want to look at that "smartmontoold"
[06:26] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: to get a terminal right click the desktop and choose it from the menu that pops up
[06:26] <nalioth> crap
[06:26] <nalioth> damn i'm slow
[06:27] <IcemanV9> ubuntu -version doesn't work?? :p
[06:27] <nickrud> there's a lot of lag right now
[06:27] <anggie_aqr> its reply no such file or directory, thore\
[06:27] <abarbaccia> hey guys, are some of the ubuntu repositories down?
[06:27] <anggie_aqr> sorry i got typos with your nick
[06:27] <nickrud> abarbaccia, the us ones seem to always be donw
[06:27] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: are you sure you typed it right?
[06:27] <Burgundavia> abarbaccia, the us ones are iffy right now
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> yes \
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr:  cat /etc/issue
[06:28] <nashife> eeep. someone could have told me what that was going to do...
[06:28] <abarbaccia> alright - thanks guys - just making sure its not my connection....
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: well, if it's ubuntu that file must exist :)
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> im still having problems with initial DNS resolution on things, its taking a bit
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: aha
[06:28] <anggie_aqr> thats worked
[06:28] <ColonelKernel> its almost instantaneous on windoze
[06:28] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: OK that's current
[06:28] <crimsun> anggie_aqr: lsb_release -a
[06:28] <nickrud> nashife, what's 'that'?
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> not so good at all in ubuntu
[06:29] <anggie_aqr> the mean, i have latest version or what?
[06:29] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel: you have try disabling ip6 in firefox?
[06:29] <ksmurf> ok I wrote a script and made it u+x and placed it in the init.d folder and did an update ..defaults99.  The script won't start but will start in sessions?  anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
[06:29] <thoreauputic> crimsun: canonically correct but I neer remember it :)
[06:29] <nashife> someone here just told me that a command like tinit 1 or something would put me in single user mode... and I didn't know what that would do, so I tried it...
[06:29] <nalioth> nashife: are you concerned with your hard drive?
[06:29] <ColonelKernel> I have - this is not a firefox thing, its a system wide thing
[06:29] <nickrud> ksmurf, may I pm you?
[06:29] <SDFH_Linux> how you get kde desktop
[06:29] <ksmurf> yes
[06:30] <nashife> nalioth, yeah i'm worried.  I can't afford to replace much, so I want to scan it and make sure it's usable... or start looking for a cheap replacement.
[06:30] <anggie_aqr> thoreauputic: is this ubuntu 5.04 is the lattest version?
[06:30] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a cat /etc/modprobe.d/aliases under net-pf-10 change from ip6 to off and reboot
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: yes
[06:30] <nashife> so, what was that command again to get into single user mode?  that kills everything except for root right?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: except for the unstable development version
[06:30] <nashife> i'll write it down this time
[06:30] <nalioth> nashife: install "smartmontools" and run 'smartctl'
[06:31] <anggie_aqr> so the mean, i can connect my usb flash disc automatically (no need mount manually), right?
[06:31] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl will read the S.M.A.R.T data from your HD
[06:31] <thoreauputic> nashife: sudo telinit 1
[06:31] <ColonelKernel> alias net-pf-10 ipv6 off <--- did that already
[06:31] <[2] BoxingFiend> colonel no should read alias net-pf-10 off
[06:32] <nashife> nalioth, is smartctl gui?
[06:32] <ColonelKernel> DOH
[06:32] <ColonelKernel> thanks
[06:32] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: usb usually just works, yes
[06:32] <nalioth> nashife: no it is terminal
[06:32] <nashife> nalioth, what's different about it vs fsck?
[06:32] <anggie_aqr> thanks for your help thoreauputic
[06:32] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: no problem :)
[06:33] <nashife> can i use it from my regular session? or do i also need to be in single user mode?
[06:33] <anggie_aqr> oh yeah, once again, where can i d/l ubuntu version for live cd?
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: S.M.A.R.T hard drives keep a record of faults and operating status to an onboard recorder
[06:33] <anggie_aqr> theres a live cd, isnt it?
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: fsck checks data integrity
[06:33] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl can be run anywhere
[06:34] <parabolize> I am having trouble with a UMS device on a specific computer. I am searching for somebody with the same errors but can't find anyone. Here is my post on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49597
[06:34] <nashife> so, what is smartctl used for? it's not for checking integrity? it just logs stuff?
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> is there any live cd version?
[06:34] <nashife> er, smartmontools?
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> like knoppix?
[06:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i just compiled gnome-system-tools from breezy and installed it but boot-admin isn't installed
[06:34] <IIIEars> anggie_aqr - yes there is
[06:34] <thoreauputic> anggie_aqr: yes
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> thank you everyone
[06:34] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, what version of gnome-system-tools do you have?
[06:34] <Madpilot> anggie_aqr: yes. ubuntu.com
[06:34] <anggie_aqr> you`re so helpfull
[06:35] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl basically has the HD bring out its log of HARDWARE status
[06:35] <anggie_aqr> happy helping
[06:35] <nalioth> nashife: smartctl will tell you if your HD is having a hardware failure
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> does bugzilla.ubuntu.com contain no data for anyone else
[06:35] <IIIEars> anggie_aqr - We certainly try - if you want surly you need to try the #RedHat channel. - lol
[06:35] <bluefoxicy> it's frequently down for me.
[06:35] <nashife> nalioth, ok. so I should run those tools before running fsck? or instead of?
[06:35] <La_PaRCa> where is Xorg.conf located?
[06:35] <nalioth> IIIEars: i thought it was #debians turn this week for "surly"
[06:36] <nalioth> nashife: run both
[06:36] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: definitely contains data for me
[06:36] <parabolize> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <nalioth> nashife: they complement each other
[06:36] <IIIEars> nalioth - Oops - erm i didn't get the memo
[06:36] <mmc_> greetings on the channel... i'm new to IRC so... i have an ubuntu config question if anyone has time
[06:36] <[2] BoxingFiend> what sup mmc
[06:36] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, 1.3.0
[06:36] <nalioth> mmc_: ask away
[06:36] <mmc_> boxing and nalioth... i want to hook up an "old school" iomega paralell port zip drive
[06:37] <mmc_> not sure where to start
[06:37] <nalioth> mmc_: first thing is to plug it in :)
[06:37] <mmc_> nalioth... k... not quite THAT noobs... <grin>
[06:38] <bluefoxicy> ok got it.
[06:38] <IIIEars> mmc_ - then maybe lspci - l  - is that right?
[06:38] <nalioth> mmc_: ubuntu will either 'see' it and mount whatever disk you put in, or it won't and you'll have to configurate
[06:38] <IIIEars> Ah well - i am a newb - never mind
[06:38] <IIIEars> G'nite
[06:39] <mmc_> nalioth... would it mount to /mnt??? cause nothing there
[06:39] <barlas> G'morning IIIEars :-p
[06:39] <[2] BoxingFiend> after plugging it in, under System -> Admin -> Device Manager, under the zip drive, Advance tab what /dev/hd?? is it listed as
[06:39] <nalioth> mmc_: ubuntu mounts most things (in my experience) to /media
[06:39] <mmc_> let me chk... brb
[06:40] <jasoncohen> Burgundavia, i installed 1.3.0 on hoary and i don't have a boot-admin
[06:40] <jasoncohen> i removed hoary's gnome-system-tools and built a new package with checkinstall
[06:40] <bluefoxicy> there, bug #12772 submitted.
[06:40] <[2] BoxingFiend> anyknow if the original zip drive still uses ppa module or imm?
[06:41] <bluefoxicy> doesn't this channel have a bot that states new bugs :/
[06:41] <mmc_> nothing listed under device manager
[06:41] <nalioth> mmc_: i see you are in good hands with [2] BoxingFiend
[06:41] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a lsmod | grep "imm|ppa"
[06:42] <mmc_> nalioth... thanks and peace to u, brother
[06:42] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: ppa (mine's the parallel port model)
[06:42] <mmc_> boxingfiend... let me try that lsmod...
[06:43] <[2] BoxingFiend> wow... jazip package includes a nice gui part of universe
[06:43] <benplaut> wow... it's quiet in here today...
[06:44] <mmc_> got no response to lsmod
[06:44] <thoreauputic> benplaut: a temporary calm :)
[06:44] <mmc_> boxingfiend... what's jazip
[06:44] <nickrud> a lull between the wonderful storms
[06:44] <[2] BoxingFiend> do you have universe unlocked under /etc/apt/sources.list?
[06:45] <dafina> high!
[06:45] <thoreauputic> benplaut: you missed the entertainment provided by one "wonderland" some hopurs back...
[06:45] <mmc_> boxingfiend... i just did a standard install... ur a little over my head at the moment
[06:45] <thoreauputic> *hours
[06:45] <sizzam> anyone here use NZBGet?
[06:45] <[2] BoxingFiend> !sources.list
[06:45] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, [2] BoxingFiend
[06:45] <thoreauputic> !sources
[06:45] <ubotu> sources is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:46] <erudeye> how to mount partition so the user can access, not only root
[06:46] <[2] BoxingFiend> check out that link mmc and then install jazip package
[06:46] <nalioth> sizzam: what is nzbget?
[06:46] <erudeye> hello, need help :D
[06:47] <sizzam> its an app to handle nzb files - basicall xml postlists for newsgroups
[06:47] <erudeye> about mounting
[06:47] <sizzam> *basically
[06:47] <nalioths_dog> erudeye: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[06:47] <[2] BoxingFiend> found this i thought i share... www.serbaniaotic.com/TomKillsOprah.mov
[06:47] <erudeye> hmmm
[06:47] <crimsun> [2] BoxingFiend: keep the off-topic stuff in #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[06:47] <nalioth> sizzam: did you need help with it, or were just asking?
[06:48] <mmc_> boxingfiend... checkig out the repositories link... will chk back w/ questions
[06:48] <sizzam> i need help with the configuration file for it
[06:48] <mmc_> boxingfiend... thanks and peace to you
[06:48] <ksmurf> can anyone help me with configuring my wacom inside xorg.conf
[06:48] <nalioth> sizzam: i use Pan for my nntp, (cuz they dont do nzb's)
[06:49] <sizzam> i was using nzbperl, but im having trouble getting all of the required perl modules for it
[06:49] <erudeye> i don't want mounting forever, just right now :D
[06:50] <aru> i want mounting forever
[06:50] <drcodedd2> hi all
[06:50] <nalioth> sizzam: the perl mods aren't in the repos?
[06:50] <drcodedd2> how I get back to packge installed menu ?
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I want to check if gnome is installed
[06:51] <sizzam> nalioth: some are, theres a list of about 20 of them
[06:51] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: there is no package called gnome afaik
[06:51] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: and it should be obvious if gnome is installed ;)
[06:52] <drcodedd2> I think it didnt installed it
[06:52] <nalioth> sizzam: so have you installed all the perl mods you've found in the repos?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: I stand corrected - there is indeed a gnome package
[06:52] <sizzam> nalioth:  i havent done it on this install, let me run through it and see how it goes
[06:52] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: why do you think this?
[06:52] <nickrud> can someone teach me how to cleanly exit a channel created by right clicking a nick in xchat?
[06:53] <nalioth> nickrud: you mean a private message window?
[06:53] <Madpilot> nickrud: /part [name of channel]  ?
[06:53] <nickrud> nalioth, yes
[06:53] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: if it's because you can't get the desktop to start, your problem is elsewhere
[06:53] <Madpilot> nickrud: ah, nvrmnd...
[06:53] <nickrud> Madpilot, tried that :)
[06:53] <nalioth> nickrud: right click on the tab with the user nick in it and click close
[06:53] <drcodedd2> it say no X file
[06:54] <ksmurf> is it one & or 2 && to send a command to the background?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: did you do a standard install ?
[06:54] <nickrud> nalioth, does that really close it, for real, I'm not real comfortable that that works
[06:54] <dafina> ksmurf: one &
[06:54] <drcodedd2> yes
[06:54] <drcodedd2> I will try to reinstall it
[06:54] <ksmurf> dafine and at the end right?
[06:54] <dafina> yes
[06:54] <[2] BoxingFiend> & for backgroup, && for an AND operator
[06:55] <thoreauputic> drcodedd2: what does the command  "which X" return? (without the quote marks)
[06:55] <erudeye> i has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?
[06:55] <nalioth> nickrud: did it disappear?
[06:55] <nickrud> nalioth, closed, tab gone
[06:55] <thoreauputic> bah another "reinstall before trying" quit...
[06:56] <erudeye> i has just mount, the root can access, but the user can't, how to fix?
[06:56] <[2] BoxingFiend> erudeye: mount reads /etc/fstab, make sure the mount point you have in question contains user as one of the flag
[06:56] <thoreauputic> erudeye: what did you mount, and with what command?
[06:56] <newbie> hi i was wondering when the new ndiswrapper will be integrated to ubuntu will it be in breezy?
[06:56] <erudeye> hmmm
[06:56] <erudeye> mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/data
[06:56] <erudeye> that command
[06:56] <imaek> What is the file to lsof to see what is using ALSA?
[06:56] <Une-ga-dihi> Anyone had Ubuntu kill a hard drive?
[06:57] <[2] BoxingFiend> do a df -T -h
[06:57] <Seveas> newbie, 'new ndiswrapper'..?
[06:57] <[2] BoxingFiend> what file type is /dev/hda5
[06:57] <Seveas> when was the release?
[06:57] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you mounted it as root then
[06:57] <ksmurf> brb
[06:57] <erudeye> ntfs
[06:57] <erudeye> i have
[06:57] <erudeye> i mount it on root
[06:58] <erudeye> but when i back to normal user, i can't read it
[06:58] <thoreauputic> erudeye: what line in /etc/fstab do you have for that partition?
[06:58] <thoreauputic> erudeye: type  less /etc/fstab  to see
[06:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> do you have something like /dev/hda4 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto in /etc/fstab?
[06:59] <newbie> sevas ndiswrapper 1.2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/
[06:59] <erudeye> no one
[06:59] <erudeye> no hda5
[06:59] <[2] BoxingFiend> /dev/hda5*
[06:59] <aru> I had a drive I could access as root but not as user, I had to delete the mountpoint then make the dir as user :)
[06:59] <erudeye> no
[06:59] <newbie> is ndiswrapper 1.1 integrated to ubuntu?
[06:59] <erudeye> no one
[07:00] <erudeye> should i add that?
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: as [2] BoxingFiend points out, you should have a line like the one he gave above
[07:00] <erudeye> OK :D
[07:00] <erudeye> thanx guys
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: wait
[07:00] <erudeye> yes what
[07:00] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you need  0 0 at the end of the line as well
[07:00] <erudeye> what that mean?
[07:01] <[2] BoxingFiend> yeah sorry /dev/hda5 /mnt/data ntfs rw,user,noauto 0 0
[07:01] <erudeye> dump
[07:01] <erudeye> pass
[07:01] <erudeye> what is dump
[07:01] <erudeye> what is pass
[07:01] <thoreauputic> erudeye: yes - just make sure you put  0  0
[07:01] <erudeye> please explain me what that meaning of 0 0
[07:02] <thoreauputic> [2] BoxingFiend:  rw is kind of pointless for ntfs
[07:02] <[2] BoxingFiend>  !fstab
[07:02] <ubotu> [2] BoxingFiend: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:02] <erudeye> yes, it's read only
[07:02] <erudeye> no rw
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: I would suggest you use   noauto,ro,users,umask=022 0 0
[07:03] <erudeye> but can i add rw so i can write to it?
[07:03] <erudeye> hmmm
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: you can't write safely to ntfs
[07:03] <erudeye> ok
[07:03] <thoreauputic> erudeye: those entries are what I use here
[07:03] <nalioth> erudeye: writing to NTFS is the quick way to an all linux hard drive