[22:05] <binegra> Hi! I am a beginner in the world of linux. Could you recommend me an ubuntu-based distribution that would work well on a 10+ years old laptop (core2duo, 2 gigs of ram)?  No hates towards it though, I know my choices are limited.
[22:10] <binegra> On the other hand, have any of you experienced that phenomena, when you type a certain key on your notebook's keyboard, there are 2 or more other characters appearing as well along with that it is supposed to appear? This is a hungarian keyboard, so it has a different set then the standard us keyboard, but it still printing numerous characters by one keystroke even setted to english. Guess it's a hardware failure?


[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> my kitten <3 technical documentation
[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> I'm writing some doco for work and she's jumping at the screen :)
[10:43] <jsgotangco> mdke, gimme till 14UTC i am in a school with a friend testing in a lab
[10:43] <jsgotangco> im also doing some notes for a talk next week
[10:43] <mdke> jsgotangco, sure i'll give you as long as you like! It's you doing me a favour don't forget...
[10:44] <rob^> crud, the meeting is in 6 hours..
[10:44] <jsgotangco> rob^, you asked friday :P
[10:45] <rob^> yep I know
[10:45] <rob^> the wife and I made plans..
[10:45] <rob^> curd
[10:45] <jsgotangco> man today's build is solid...
[10:46] <rob^> man my fonts are fudged up
[10:46] <mdke> ok i'm going to miss the meeting I think
[10:47] <mdke> hmm
[10:47] <mdke> nice hostmask
[10:48] <rob^> :)
[10:48] <rob^> thanks
[10:48] <jsgotangco> ahh serpentine came back
[10:48] <rob^> looks like I have a reinstallation to do
[10:49] <jsgotangco> rob^, just get the 0826 build so you wont have to get another OOo2 update
[10:49] <rob^> is that todays cd build?
[10:49] <jsgotangco> yep
[10:49] <rob^> :0
[10:50] <rob^> :)
[10:50] <rob^> grr
[10:50] <jsgotangco> 0825 won't install xresprobe
[10:50] <jsgotangco> it seems our CD is filled up
[10:50] <rob^> this will learn me for playing with kubuntu-desktop on the same machine as ubuntu
[10:50] <rob^> I still have a colony 3 cd here somewhere
[10:51] <jsgotangco> just rsync the iso if you still have it
[10:51] <rob^> oh
[10:51] <rob^> I didn't know you could do it
[11:00] <rob^> where can I get the daily build cd
[11:00] <rob^> ive lost the link
[11:00] <jsgotangco> rsync -cvP cdimage.ubuntu.com::cdimage/daily/current/breezy-install-i386.iso breezy-install-i386.iso
[11:00] <rob^> nice.. thanks
[11:03] <rob^> hmm it looks like it is downloading the whole thing
[11:03] <jsgotangco> err did you have your old iso?
[11:03] <rob^> yes
[11:03] <jsgotangco> well it is actually downloading the changes if its colony 3
[11:05] <rob^>      9108384   1%   52.38kB/s    3:21:01
[11:05] <jsgotangco> i'm now at 53%
[11:05] <rob^> I guess there is probably a fair few changes
[11:05] <jsgotangco> there was an x, dbus, ooo, etc. changes since colony
[11:06] <rob^> grr looks like I'm not going to make the meeting tonight
[11:06] <jsgotangco> but there's now a gtk bug on notification
[11:07] <rob^>  Technical details on using the FAQGuide for the frontpage
[11:07] <rob^> do I need to be there for this?
[11:07] <rob^> hmm
[11:07] <rob^> I guess theres always the mailing list
[11:08] <jsgotangco> just email away, no worries if you're not coming
[11:08] <rob^> yeah
[11:08] <rob^> I'll check the logs
[11:08] <jsgotangco> enjoy the wife
[11:08] <jsgotangco> err
[11:08] <jsgotangco> i mean the night
[11:08] <rob^> :)
[11:08] <rob^> hehe
[11:54] <BeerDump> mdke, you there?
[12:08] <fl> hello, good day :-)
[12:09] <fl> please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FlorenzKley
[12:10] <fl> "installing Java on Breezy"
[12:10] <fl> it's unpolished, and basically only putting togther what others documented elsewehere, but I could not yet find something like this fro breezy
[12:12] <jsgotangco> we'll have blackbox java in breezy on multiverse
[12:12] <ajmitch> it currently is, I believe
[12:12] <fl> hmm.
[12:15] <fl> ok. stupid me. had only the universe enabled.
[12:18] <fl> fl@scrap:~$ apt-cache search j2re sun
[12:18] <fl> sun-j2re1.5 - Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsystems(TM)
[12:18] <fl> it's there, alright.
[12:35] <jsgotangco> fl, you can do your entry on a different page instead of your homepage
[03:46] <jjesse> did i miss the docteam meeting?
[03:46] <jsgotangco> it hasnt even started
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hopefully people come
[03:46] <jsgotangco> (in 15 mins)
[03:55] <jsgotangco> hey if any docteam are online, we'll be having our meeting in a few minutes
[03:55] <jsgotangco> if there's no one we'll resched grrrrr
[03:57] <jjesse> i'm on :)
[04:51] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you made it on to planet!
[04:51] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:52] <jsgotangco> lol blogspot got aggreagated
[07:13] <jsgotangco> night all


[19:02] <wolferz> Hi everyone. What's this all about?
[19:03] <wolferz> Getting stormy out, forgive me if I lose power and dc.
[23:25] <wolferz> Sorry if I missed anyone's reply... So what's this channel all about? Are y'all developers, users here in FL, a support group?


[08:19] <mthaddon> Chipaca: yep, have added an approving review overnight (had deliberately held off til then to avoid confusion about whether it's ready to land before you guys have had a chance to review it)
[08:19] <Chipaca> mthaddon: 👍
[09:04] <bthomas> Chipaca: could you recommend some well made operator charm, so I can check that there is nothing wrong with my juju/microk8s setup ?
[09:06] <Chipaca> hmm
[09:06] <bthomas> :)
[09:07] <Chipaca> looking for one that's public and doesn't need a whole lot of other stuff around it
[09:08] <bthomas> 👍
[09:08] <Chipaca> bthomas: https://code.launchpad.net/~mattermost-charmers/charm-k8s-mattermost/+git/charm-k8s-mattermost
[09:09] <bthomas> Thanks Chipaca : will give it a shot
[09:09] <Chipaca> bthomas: requires a custom image, instructions in the README
[09:09] <bthomas> will read
[10:11] <bthomas> The mattermost charm uses https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/interface-pgsql/+git/operator as a submodule . And the interface-pgsql uses opslib as a submodule. In the opslib/pgsql sub-directory of the interface-pgsql there is a link to ".." which creates a cyclic inode structure.
[10:12] <bthomas> Even though I am able to clone the mattermost charm using my launchpad credentials cloning it recursively fails
[10:12] <bthomas> Even submodule update fails.
[10:24] <Chipaca> bthomas: pgsql uses opslib as a submodule?
[10:24] <Chipaca> not sure i understand what that means
[10:25] <Chipaca> i guess i could check out that git repo again
[10:27] <bthomas> Chipaca: interface-pgsql has a pgsql/opslib subdirectory in that subdirectory there is a link to ".."
[10:32] <Chipaca> bthomas: I don't see that
[10:33] <Chipaca> bthomas: maybe you updated the mod beyond what the charm specifies?
[10:34] <bthomas> When I tried to build the mattermost charm, even though it built the charm it gave an error saying pgsql was not found. Upon digging further I found that it used a git submodule. There is no mention of this in the readme.
[10:34] <bthomas> So I am not sure if it is ok to use the built mattermost charm without fixing the pgsql issue.
[10:35] <Chipaca> bthomas: how did you get the submodule?
[10:35] <bthomas> Chipaca: even if I do git clone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>interface-pgsql I can see the link
[10:36] <Chipaca> bthomas: right, but the charm doesn't say 'grab the dev tip'
[10:38] <Chipaca> bthomas: or does it/
[10:39] <bthomas> Chipaca: Not sure. But the standard way to pull git submodules fails with mattermost charm. For example if I do "git clone --recursive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tis fails to clone submodules.
[10:40] <bthomas> Building mattermost charm without submodule produces an error, even though charm gets built.
[10:40] <Chipaca> bthomas: did you try cloning with the https url?
[10:40] <Chipaca> bthomas: it's possible you're missing the git-in-launchpad recommended git config; the .gitmodules file depends on that
[10:41] <bthomas> Chipaca: Just did "git clone --recursive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with same result. I was not aware of git-in-launchpad.
[10:42]  * bthomas googling git-in-launchpad
[10:42] <Chipaca> bthomas: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[10:42] <bthomas> Thanks Chipaca : will read
[10:42] <Chipaca> bthomas: the 'configuring git' section
[11:07] <bthomas> Chipaca: you were right. It was the git config. Thanks.
[11:07] <Chipaca> bthomas: \o/
[11:34] <gnuoy> Is it expected that when I try and push a charmcraft built charm to the charmstore it'll fail with "ERROR open mycharm.charm/bundle.yaml: not a directory" ?
[12:03] <mthaddon> Chipaca: do you think you'll have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~axino/charm-k8s-gunicorn/+git/charm-k8s-gunicorn/+merge/389554 soon? Junien has another MP that he's working on that depends on that but want to make sure there's not too much rebasing needed
[12:22] <Chipaca> gnuoy: pushing it using the 'charm' tool? yes that won't work (unpack to a directory and push that)
[12:23] <gnuoy> ack, thanks
[12:24] <Chipaca> gnuoy: 'charmcraft upload' pushes to staging using the new APIs, if that's what you want though
[12:24] <Chipaca> and that one does take the .charm (and not a directory)
[12:24] <gnuoy> That is not what I want, but good to know, thanks.
[12:26] <Chipaca> mthaddon: i've still got one from deej to review, and then one from justin, and then that one
[12:27] <mthaddon> Chipaca: could i ask for this one to go above deej's? It's a day older, and there's another MP that depends on it, whereas deej's doesn't have another one depending on it
[12:27] <Chipaca> mthaddon: i'll swap it with that one then
[12:27] <mthaddon> perfect, thx
[13:34] <justinclark> bthomas, did you get Mattermost running? I quickly tried deploying yesterday based on the README and it failed for me.
[13:34] <justinclark> https://git.launchpad.net/~mattermost-charmers/charm-k8s-mattermost/tree/README.md
[13:35] <bthomas> justinclark: Yes mattermost was running. It was idle because i did not provide it a database connection. But it was not my purpose to use it. I just wanted to check if it can be deployed and the container runs.
[13:37] <justinclark> Ah okay. Thanks bthomas. It was probably the database for me too but got sucked into learning about cross model relations rather than going further with mattermost.
[13:55] <Chipaca> justinclark: where was the charm you wanted reviewed?
[13:55] <justinclark> https://github.com/justinmclark/grafana-charm-base/blob/master/src/charm.py
[13:55] <justinclark> Thanks Chipaca!
[13:57] <justinclark> Just FYI, jam suggested a change yesterday in an issue I opened. That is still WIP. Here's the issue: https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/392
[14:02] <justinclark> Pushed some other changes I made last night Chipaca. The charm deploys to microk8s just fine by itself, but it is quite uninteresting without relating a data-source for the dashboards. That still needs to be tested
[14:03] <Chipaca> :)
[14:03] <Chipaca> ok
[14:03] <Chipaca> justinclark: you're using 'charmcraft build'?
[14:03] <justinclark> Yes.
[14:03] <Chipaca> justinclark: ok. You should probably embrace it more then :)
[14:04] <Chipaca> justinclark: right now you're getting ops via a git submodule
[14:04] <Chipaca> justinclark: instead of requirements.txt i mean
[14:04] <Chipaca> justinclark: and the 'fixpath' hack is not needed
[14:08] <justinclark> Chipaca: ah yes that needs to be a more prominent TODO. I used an out of date example when first starting and just didn't bother changing it as testing was working as expected.
[14:09] <Chipaca> justinclark: the 'configured' and 'started' storedstate things were red flags but they're not used at all so that's alright (just drop them)
[14:09] <Chipaca> justinclark: you're using f-strings which don't work on python 3.5 (which you'll get in xenial) so you might want to drop those too
[14:10] <Chipaca> justinclark: and you're setting state around a pod.set_spec which _i think_ (but am waiting to hear back from juju people) doesn't make sense
[14:11] <Chipaca> because statuses are immediate but set_spec is not
[14:11] <Chipaca> IIRC at least :)
[14:11] <Chipaca> jam: if you're around already, maybe you can answer that? (haven't heard back from #juju)
[14:11] <jam> morning Chipaca. set_spec is not immediate, it doesn't happen until the hook exits
[14:11] <jam> (in 2.8)
[14:12] <Chipaca> jam: right, that one i know
[14:12] <Chipaca> jam: but setting status is immediate, right?
[14:12] <jam> Chipaca: status = Blah is immediate, yes
[14:12] <Chipaca> so, yeah, that pattern is broken
[14:12] <jam> so you can show progress during an operation
[14:12] <Chipaca> this one: https://github.com/justinmclark/grafana-charm-base/blob/master/src/charm.py#L350
[14:13] <Chipaca> jam: right but using it show progress for something you're scheduling to happen later won't dtrt
[14:13] <Chipaca> in their defense, set_spec() does _sound_ immediate
[14:13] <jam> Chipaca: correct. except that Juju filters Active status for the case of 'the pod hasn't actually started yet', and overrides it until the application pod has finished starting.
[14:13] <Chipaca> maybe we should've called it set_spec_sometime_in_the_future_at_your_leisure_please_no_rush
[14:14] <Chipaca> jam: oh that's sneaky
[14:14] <jam> Chipaca: relation-set sounds immediate, too
[14:14] <jam> Chipaca: this is a case where, Mark found out that 'leader-set' was immediate, which breaks the 'transactionality' that all other relation-get/relation-set code has.
[14:15] <jam> So we went on a hunt for other things that violated that
[14:15] <jam> and found pod-spec-set.
[14:15] <jam> So we pushed for it to be changed
[14:15] <jam> but having worked with charmers for much longer
[14:15] <jam> I don't feel like pod-spec-set is an interaction *with other charms* it is an interaction with the charm and its application
[14:16] <jam> so I no longer feel it should be transactional
[14:16] <jam> (we don't put a transaction around 'systemctl start foo'
[14:16] <jam> however, we do need to deal with how it is currently, and not how it might theoretically work
[14:16] <jam> Also, the new work gets rid of pod-spec-set for charms running as sidecars
[14:17] <Chipaca> yep
[14:19] <Chipaca> jam: does the 'pod hasn't actually started yet' override thing mean that the code i linked to would currently dtrt w/2.8?
[14:22] <jam> Chipaca: I don't think it would stay in the "maintenance with 'setting pod spec'" but otherwise yes
[14:22] <jam> (eg, it uses Juju's 'pod not started yet' message, though I don't know the exact words)
[14:22] <Chipaca> k
[14:29]  * justinclark thanks Chipaca and jam for feedback :)
[14:31]  * justinclark pushes python 3.5 under the rug and blows things up
[14:31] <Chipaca> :)
[15:00] <Chipaca> justinclark: one silly thing I'd also do in your charm is make the log.error call for missing fields mention exactly what was missing, instead of everything that's required
[15:07] <justinclark> Chipaca: will do. Can you elaborate on the 'fixpath hack'?
[15:08] <justinclark> I'm not sure what that hack is.
[15:08] <Chipaca> justinclark: your charm.py does 'import fixpath'
[15:08] <Chipaca> justinclark: fixpath.py just adds lib to sys.path
[15:08] <Chipaca> justinclark: this was needed before charmcraft took on the job of setting up the environment for the charm
[15:09] <Chipaca> justinclark: it's a hack, which is why you need to tell pyflake to ignore it
[15:13] <justinclark> I see. Thanks.
[19:13] <Chipaca> EOWing here
[19:13] <Chipaca> bye all! see you tuesday
[19:41] <jam> have a great weekend ChanServ
[19:41] <jam> dang, gone already :)


[01:20] <Zlycher> Where is a good place to start learning about Terminal?
[01:20] <escott> Zlycher, man pages? unix in a nutshell
[01:21] <Zlycher> Okay sweet thanks
[04:39] <stlsaint>  /window 31
[04:40] <IAmNotThatGuy> Lol
[04:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> Stlsaint. Did you mean "windoze" ? :P
[04:42] <stlsaint> no :P
[04:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> He he
[04:44] <Unit193> http://niklas.laxstrom.name/page/eng/irssi that may help...
[10:02] <raubvogel> How can I find out which device grub thinks it was installed to?
[10:05] <bioterror> check /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[10:05] <bioterror> that's where it checks it out
[10:05] <raubvogel> bioterror: Thanks. Right now I am dist-upgrading a machine and got this: http://pastie.org/private/g4q677aemhwcqsx199mng
[10:05] <bioterror> you want to install it on /dev/sda
[10:06] <bioterror> no numbers
[10:06] <bioterror> just plain SDA
[10:06] <raubvogel> bioterror: Coolness. /boot/grub/grub.cfg was giving me loads of uuids, which makes me understand why it was bitching
[10:06] <bioterror> you will probably get a new more reasonable config file ;)
[10:07] <raubvogel> That is always an improvement :)
[10:07] <raubvogel> Fingers crossed while it reboots
[10:09] <raubvogel> it's back :)
[10:12] <raubvogel> bioterror: danke!
[20:30] <tats> hi
[20:31] <tats> i'm trying to install ubuntu as a dual boot on a pc with windows xp installed
[20:31] <tats> i ran the installation cd (ubuntu alternate on usb stick) but on the partition step i can't resize the ntfs partition
[20:32] <tats> how can I resize the ntfs partition (make it smaller) so as to create a partition for linux?
[20:33] <bioterror> use gparted?
[20:35] <escott> tats, when you boot the livecd you can choose to "try ubuntu" and use gparted there
[20:36] <tats> escott: the livecd is not the same as the installation cd i guess
[20:36] <tats> cause i didn't see that option
[20:37] <geirha> They are the same
[20:38] <geirha> Anyway, which option did you choose at the partitioning step?
[20:38] <tats> manual
[20:38] <geirha> It should be possible to slide on the figures representing your harddrive and its partition... though I haven't tried the 12.04 installer yet
[20:40] <tats> geirha: i didn't see an option "try ubuntu"
[20:41] <geirha> the menu is hidden now. When there's a purple screen with a keyboard = human icon, you can hit a key on your keyboard to get the menu
[20:42] <geirha> Hm... or strike that
[20:43] <geirha> Just booted the 12.04 iso in a VM, you get the choice at the very first step of the installer, where you choose language and then you can click on "Try Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu"
[20:43] <tats> let me check once again
[20:44] <tats> nope
[20:44] <tats> i don't have the "Try ubuntu" option
[20:45] <tats> maybe because I'm using the alternate version
[20:45] <geirha> what is the first option you're greated with?
[20:45] <tats> "Install Ubuntu"
[20:45] <escott> tats, yeah the alternate installer is just the debian installer so there is no gui
[20:46] <tats> i see
[20:46] <geirha> Oh! sorry, I missed that you said the alternative iso earlier
[20:46] <escott> tats, you could probably ctrl-alt-f1 but i dont know how to resize from the cli parted
[20:47] <geirha> I'd consider just resizing it from windows
[20:47] <tats> geirha: yeah that's what i think would be best
[20:47] <geirha> just leave some unpartitioned space behind, and let ubuntu grab that
[20:47] <tats> is there a standard program on winxp to use for that? on windows xp?
[20:49] <geirha> I think so. Disk Management or something like that
[21:06] <tats> what is the difference between the standard ubuntu and the alternate? my friend recommended me to use alternate, i don't know why
[21:06] <tats> maybe i should use the standard install it would make everything much easier
[21:08] <escott> tats, alternate is no gui and supports raid/lvm and more exotic setups
[21:09] <tats> escott: ah ok, i understand now... it's because i want to use lvm
[22:25] <zeidoz> \o
[22:25] <zeidoz> any ideas why i couldn't cat a file with 777 permissions?
[22:26] <zeidoz> hmmm, i have an idea
[22:28] <zeidoz> nope, didn't do it


[02:02] <vychune> o/
[02:04] <Unit193> vychune: Howja!
[02:04] <vychune> ???????????
[02:04] <vychune> um o/
[02:05] <Unit193> It's a greeting
[02:05] <vychune> i know that but from where
[02:05] <vychune> lol
[02:06] <Unit193> My jumbled up mind...
[02:07] <vychune> LOL
[02:11]  * cyberanger sneezes
[02:11] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[02:12] <vychune> LOL
[02:12] <vychune> o/
[02:12]  * cyberanger wishes his allergies were a little milder today
[02:12] <vychune> epson salt bath dude
[02:13] <vychune> before the storm comes that way
[02:13] <Unit193> cyberanger: What's the cause?
[02:13] <vychune> good question
[02:15] <cyberanger> Unit193: this case, likely mildew
[02:15] <cyberanger> or dust
[02:16] <wrst> cyberanger: benadryl will make you forget all about allergies until you wake up ;)
[02:16] <vychune> hopefully not mold
[02:16] <vychune> LOL
[02:16] <cyberanger> wrst: no can do
[02:16] <wrst> can't handle benadryl?
[02:16] <vychune> why not
[02:17] <cyberanger> alcohol & calculus don't mix; never drink and derive
[02:19] <cyberanger> sed s/alcohol/benadryl/
[02:19] <cyberanger> sed s/calculus/driving/
[02:19] <vychune> lol
[02:20] <wrst> cyberanger: take childrens liquid I do that about every night for my allergies
[02:20] <wrst> doesn't have the bad effect but provides a lot of relief
[02:20]  * cyberanger wonders who got that joke, and without using sed
[02:21]  * wrst is using kde so he isn't in the joking mood :P
[02:21] <cyberanger> wrst: probally once I get further indoors, it'll vanish on it's own
[02:21] <cyberanger> wrst: so pull up konsole :-/
[02:21] <wrst> ahh gotcha
[02:21] <cyberanger> I hear ya
[02:21] <wrst> in it right now cyberanger
[02:21] <wrst> actually trying out mageia cyberanger its pretty good
[02:21] <cyberanger> I do think it's mildew (natures mold)
[02:23] <cyberanger> just not the best day heat, humidity, enhanced later with rain
[02:23] <cyberanger> allowed it to simmer and stew
[02:23] <wrst> rain? we got none of that here
[02:23] <cyberanger> small, quick
[02:24] <cyberanger> enough (with an already hot and humid day) to increase perhaps
[02:24] <wrst> oh yes make it miserable
[07:23] <Unit193> Any others late night?
[07:32] <cyberanger> quite late
[07:39] <Unit193> Wasn't sure if anyone had the night shift ;)
[07:40] <cyberanger> not in a litteral sense
[07:41] <cyberanger> but yeah, makes up for not being on at work
[07:44] <Unit193> I'm normally on 'til ~4 (or 6 if I'm unlucky)
[07:47] <Unit193> chris4585: Welcome back!
[15:04] <vychune> o/
[15:05] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[15:05] <vychune> how ya doing
[15:05] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: somehow the ec2 cost counter is saying 0.06 cents, when I'm in the free tier
[15:05] <cyberanger> vychune: good
[15:06] <vychune> what you up to?
[15:07] <cyberanger> drinking an unlimited supply of caffine to finish 5 projects in about as many hours
[15:07]  * cyberanger reaches into box, realizes there was fine print on the box
[15:08] <cyberanger> *Unlimited supply is limited to 24 cans per box*
[15:08] <vychune> lol
[15:13] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: so idk (I'm giving it a try, since I can stop before it is worse than linode, hoping it will line my pocket better)
[15:14] <cyberanger> vychune: yeah, waste of perfectly good caffine, I was supposed to mix that with vodka at a really good lan party
[15:14] <vychune> lol
[15:24] <cyberanger> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/wsj-and-al-jazeera-lure-whistleblowers-false
[15:24] <cyberanger> intresting
[15:28]  * cyberanger thinks that this is just a special offer deal, so byobu is counting, but I won't be charged
[15:29] <cyberanger> however, I cannot see this being under 2 bucks a month, unless your only task is IRC
[17:20] <vychune> morning
[17:20] <vychune> again
[21:44] <vychune> o/
[22:10] <wrst> hello vychune


[00:07] <obengdako> yeah man sorry was caught up reading for audio support holstein
[03:19] <Genji> greetings all! Hi, im DJ 47, using ubuntustudio 10.04 for djing in second life. Ubuntustudio has served me well.. but its now suffering with lack of space. So, i need to reinstall. I ask, how is realtime support for ubuntustudio 10.10?
[03:33] <holstein> Genji: hey
[03:33] <Genji> hiya. cool, someone responded. :) So... what do you know?
[03:33] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[03:34] <holstein> ^^ thats a post on how to get RT kernels in 10.10
[03:34] <holstein> i use 10.04 on my production machine
[03:34] <holstein> Genji: why not just add a hard drive?
[03:34] <Genji> same here.. but is 10.10 any better?
[03:34] <holstein> or clone your system over onto a larger drive?
[03:35] <Fezzler> what's the most current verison of LAME for REAPER
[03:35] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[03:35] <holstein> ^^ i use tools from that disc to clone
[03:35] <holstein> copy wipe i think is the tool i like
[03:35] <Genji> hmm...
[03:36] <Genji> well.. don't have a bigger hdd.
[03:36] <holstein> OH
[03:36] <holstein> well, you gotta buy some gear then anyways...
[03:36] <holstein> and decide
[03:36] <Genji> could i clone to another ext3 partition, then grow that partition over the empty space?
[03:37] <holstein> Genji: what is on your HD ??
[03:38] <holstein> Fezzler: im not sure about reaper
[03:38] <Genji> currently a ntfs partition of 30 gigs, and ubuntustudio of 6 gigs. i have a ide hdd of 80 gigs i can use to store the stuff from my ntfs partition while i do whatever... so i can then clone my ubuntustudio onto the 30 gig partition?
[03:38] <holstein> Genji: in theory
[03:38] <Genji> then delete my 6 gig partition, then grow my 30 gig with the extra psace?
[03:39] <holstein> you should be able to resize
[03:39] <holstein> in gparted
[03:39] <holstein> just free up some space
[03:39] <Genji> so... i could end up with 36 gigs of ubuntu.
[03:39] <holstein> and grow the buntu prt
[03:39] <holstein> part*
[03:39] <holstein> partition*
[03:39] <holstein> Genji: i would backup first
[03:40] <holstein> i have borked parts doing that
[03:40] <holstein> i grew an xp install recently
[03:40] <holstein> and had to redo the boot sector or whatever it is
[03:40] <holstein> fixmbr?
[03:41] <holstein> Genji: 10.10 has JACK2
[03:41] <holstein> pulse to jack bridge
[03:41] <holstein> newer versions of apps
[03:41] <holstein> some apps
[03:41] <Genji> eek. what about just rsyncing the contents of my first hdd to
[03:41] <Genji> the second?
[03:41] <Genji> would the second hdd boot?
[03:42] <Genji> after grubbing it of course.
[03:42] <holstein> hmmm
[03:42] <holstein> dd maybe
[03:42] <holstein> im not sure
[03:42] <holstein> ive never tried
[03:42] <holstein> i just use tools that do that for sure
[03:43] <Genji> jack2 pulse to jack bridge, exposing indivual application sources to jackd?
[03:43] <holstein> Genji: you mean from pulse?
[03:43] <holstein> im not sure
[03:43] <holstein> i dont use it
[03:43] <holstein> i use a PPA though
[03:43] <holstein> falktx's PPA
[03:44] <holstein> that adds most of that to 10.04
[03:44] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[03:44] <holstein> ive never needed anything from pulse in JACK
[03:44] <holstein> but im glad to see the development happening
[03:45] <holstein> i think JACK2 has been helpful for my firewire device
[03:45] <holstein> a bit
[03:51] <Genji> so, to install ubuntustudio 10.10 with ubuntustudio-audio, id need to manually install the realtime deb, before ubuntustudio installer shows the menu of package groups?
[03:51] <holstein> hmmm
[03:52] <holstein> not sure i follow
[03:52] <holstein> but
[03:52] <holstein> you just install ubuntu and upgrade it to studio
[03:52] <holstein> OR
[03:52] <holstein> install the ubuntustudio iso
[03:52] <holstein> and
[03:52] <holstein> IF you want a realtime kernel
[03:52] <holstein> or lowlatency kernel
[03:52] <holstein> check that link i dropped
[03:52] <Genji> ubuntustudio 10.10 iso did not install ubuntustudio-audio .. apparently it did not even ask.
[03:52] <holstein> about how to add that PPA for 11.04
[03:53] <holstein> and use it
[03:53] <holstein> Genji: OH
[03:53] <holstein> thats fine
[03:53] <holstein> just search
[03:53] <holstein> where ever you install packages
[03:53] <holstein> synaptic or ap
[03:53] <holstein> apt*
[03:53] <holstein> search for ubuntustudio
[03:53] <holstein> and you'll see the metapackages
[03:53] <holstein> and you can read about them
[03:53] <holstein> and choose what you want
[03:54] <Genji> think because the realtime package was missing from ubuntustudio 10.10 repo, it didn't install ubuntustudio-audio
[03:54] <holstein> nah
[03:54] <holstein> well, thats not the way its supposed to work
[03:54] <holstein> there is no realtime package in 10.10
[03:54] <holstein> no realtime kernel
[03:54] <holstein> there really wasnt on in 10.04
[03:55] <holstein> that kernel was just carried over from 9.10
[03:55] <Genji> but ubuntustudio-audio's dependancies include a realtime package?
[03:55] <holstein> nah
[03:55] <holstein> you dont *need* a realtime kernel
[03:55] <holstein> its suggested that you try the generic one anyways
[03:55] <holstein> its getting better at handling these tasks all the time
[03:55] <holstein> i usually suggest trying the generic one
[03:56] <holstein> then the -lowlatency one from a PPA
[03:56] <holstein> and then the -realtime one
[03:56] <holstein> IF needed
[03:56] <holstein> BUT all of the metapackages can be installed
[03:56] <holstein> and all the software can be ran on a gerneric kernel
[03:57] <Genji> hmmmm...
[03:58] <Genji> for now, ill try the cloning exercise... and think ill stick with ubuntustudio 10.04 until 10.10 comes with realtime packages included.
[03:59] <holstein> Genji: 10.10 will never
[03:59] <holstein> nor will any future releases
[04:00] <holstein> the gerneric kernel is becoming 'realtime' like
[04:00] <holstein> and we probably will soon not need it
[04:00] <Genji> but its not taking up the realtime patches, though?
[04:00] <Genji> preempt and rt..
[04:00] <holstein> preempt
[04:01] <holstein> Genji: if you get a chance
[04:01] <Genji> huh.. i have preempt installed.
[04:01] <holstein> just try it
[04:01] <holstein> it may or may not be enough for you right now
[04:01] <holstein> i have a firewire interface
[04:01] <holstein> and i find that i need a realtime kernel
[04:01] <holstein> BUT most folk with internal cards or USB seem fine
[04:02] <holstein> Genji: what kind of latency needs do you have?
[04:02] <holstein> i have several JACK profiles
[04:02] <holstein> one that runs at 1.2ms
[04:02] <holstein> for really lowlatency needs
[04:02] <holstein> ranging to a mixing setup
[04:02] <holstein> that the latency is like 60ms
[04:02] <Genji> im getting away with 42ms currently.
[04:02] <holstein> Genji: yeah
[04:02] <holstein> so at 42ms
[04:02]  * Genji indeed mixes using mixxx.
[04:03] <holstein> you can do any soft synths
[04:03] <holstein> or live signal processing
[04:03] <holstein> SO 42ms might as well be 82ms
[04:03] <holstein> BUT
[04:03] <holstein> i bet you can get close to that performance with a generic kernel
[04:03] <holstein> Genji: internal sound card?
[04:04] <Genji> yup. Soundblaster audigy 2 ZX ... requires 1024/48000/2
[04:04] <Genji> for some reason.
[04:04] <holstein> yeah
[04:04] <holstein> thats a 50+ms card anyways
[04:04] <holstein> usually
[04:04] <Genji> anything else.. and it goes wierd.
[04:05] <holstein> so, i wouldnt sweat it much
[04:05] <Genji> what about jack's realtime mode then?
[04:05] <holstein> you can leave it in realtime mode with the newer generic kernels AFAIK
[04:05] <holstein> Genji: if your asked when installing
[04:06] <holstein> you should check the box that says 'set up JACK for realtime'
[04:10] <Genji> eh.. sounds too risky. I think for now, ill stick with 10.04
[04:11] <Genji> backup my current data... put 10.04 on my usb stick... then delete my ntfs partition.. clone my current install.. then grow my clone over the space..
[04:11] <holstein> these are the kernels i use
[04:11] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[04:11] <holstein> that are in that other PPA i was mentioning
[04:11] <holstein> this PPA has only the kernels
[04:11]  * Genji nods..
[04:11] <holstein> IF you want a new-ish realtime kernel in 10.04
[04:12] <holstein> Genji: yeah, i say plan for the worst case scenario
[04:12] <holstein> back everything up
[04:12] <holstein> and try jugging the parts around
[04:13] <holstein> worst case, you gotta reinstall
[04:13] <holstein> and thats kinda fun anyways :)
[04:13]  * Genji nods.
[04:15] <Genji> and what about this new patch, sched_autogroup_ enabled?
[04:18] <holstein> im not sure
[04:18] <holstein> i dont do the kernels
[04:18] <holstein> you'd have to catch abogani
[04:18] <Genji> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
[04:19] <holstein> OR maybe someone in #opensourcemusicians would know
[04:23] <Genji> okay.. is there a install from usb guide, for ubuntustudio somewhere?
[04:23] <holstein> Genji: yes
[04:24] <holstein> and let me suggest
[04:24] <holstein> get the normal iso
[04:24] <holstein> and convert it
[04:24] <holstein> think it over while i find the link...
[04:24] <Genji> just dd the iso to the usb stick?
[04:25] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[04:25] <holstein> i was told this works
[04:25] <holstein> Genji: nah
[04:25] <holstein> dd wont do it AFAIK
[04:26] <holstein> its a matter of the installer not knowing where to find the image
[04:26] <holstein> its easy to istall ubuntu
[04:26] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[04:26] <holstein> and install just what you need from there
[04:28] <Genji> "If you actually use the drive to install Ubuntu on a server, it may turn out that the installer puts grub on the USB disk (because it's detected as the first drive) instead of your hard drive. To fix this, reboot using the USB disk and run install-grub on the actual hard drive. You'll also need to recreate the flash drive. I experienced this on Jaunty. -- kiko"
[04:28] <Genji> eek. i could snooker my entire system if this happens.
[04:28] <holstein> not with the live installer
[04:28] <holstein> from the ubuntu iso :)
[04:29] <holstein> step 6 lets you customize
[04:29] <holstein> anyways
[04:29] <holstein> that should install to USB disk
[04:29] <holstein> grub
[04:29] <holstein> by accident
[04:29] <holstein> you can recover with a live CD
[04:29] <holstein> afterward
[04:29] <holstein> if needed
[04:29] <Genji> so... i should, as my backup installer, start with ubuntu live instead of ubuntustudio?
[04:30] <holstein> sure
[04:30] <holstein> thats the path of least resistance
[04:30] <holstein> IF you have to use a USB stick to install
[04:30] <Genji> on the offchance that ubuntustudio fails installing.
[04:30] <holstein> if you have no DVD rom or something
[04:31] <Genji> woiuld unetbootin be a better idea, to install ubuntustudio?
[04:32] <holstein> unetbootin wont do it
[04:32] <holstein> it fails in every way ive tried
[04:32] <holstein> from USB
[04:32] <holstein> the actual ubuntustudio iso
[04:32] <holstein> the installer is different
[04:33] <Genji> you've sucessfully done the UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller method then?
[04:33] <holstein> not me personally
[04:33] <holstein> ive suggested it here
[04:33] <holstein> and it was reported to do the trick
[04:33] <holstein> at least twice
[04:33] <holstein> BUT the iso's change a bit
[04:33] <holstein> every 6 months
[04:34] <holstein> !vanilla
[04:35] <Genji> oh.. hell.. im scheduled to dj in 6 hours.
[04:36] <Genji> ... could always try the clone method without destroying my current install.
[04:36] <holstein> that would be my suggestiong
[04:37] <Genji> how do i edit grub, to create entries for my clone?
[04:37] <holstein> depends
[04:37] <Genji> the current grub system is confusing for me. templates.. ]
[04:37] <holstein> Genji: explain to me your setup again?
[04:37] <holstein> im not clear how many drives you have?
[04:37] <holstein> 2?
[04:37] <holstein> an 80 gig and?
[04:38] <Genji> the 80 gig im just going to throw my ntfs stuff onto
[04:38] <holstein> the 80 gig is not in the computer right now?
[04:38] <holstein> where is ubuntu?
[04:38] <Genji> i have other drives i can remove while i clone and re-grub my main sata drive.
[04:39] <holstein> for example
[04:39] <Genji> ubuntu is currently in a 6 gig partition in my main sata drive.
[04:39] <holstein> IF i had a 100 gb drive
[04:39] <holstein> with a 90 GB windows install
[04:39] <Genji> a borked windows install is in a 30 gig partiton, that is before the 6 gig partition.
[04:39] <holstein> and ubuntu
[04:39] <holstein> on the rest
[04:39] <holstein> with grub booting it
[04:39] <holstein> in theory
[04:40] <holstein> i could get gparted live
[04:40] <holstein> and shrink the windows to whatever
[04:40] <Genji> so i am intending on taking the 30 gig data and putting it on my 80 gig ide.
[04:40] <holstein> say 50
[04:40] <holstein> and grow ubuntu to 50
[04:40] <holstein> then grub should work the same
[04:40] <holstein> OR
[04:40] <Genji> you can grow ubuntu, backwards?
[04:40] <holstein> i would wipe windows all together
[04:41] <holstein> grow buntu
[04:41] <holstein> and run sudo update-grub
[04:41] <holstein> and all *should* be good
[04:41] <holstein> Genji: i think you can
[04:41] <holstein> you'll have to try it
[04:41] <Genji> okay.... in other words.... 1 2 3 4 5 is windows and 6 7 8 is ubuntu.
[04:41] <holstein> i know there are ways you cant move them around
[04:42] <Genji> can i grow ubuntu to cover 1 2 3 4 5 too?
[04:42] <holstein> BUT before you just got and wipe
[04:42] <holstein> you might as well try it
[04:42] <Genji> hrm.
[04:42] <holstein> OR
[04:42] <holstein> you sould just clone buntu over onto another drive
[04:42] <holstein> and put grub somewhere esle
[04:42] <holstein> you got lots of options really
[04:43] <holstein> and youll just have to fire up gparted
[04:43] <Genji> does update-grub automatically find all bootable linuxes?
[04:43] <holstein> and see what it will let you do as far as growing
[04:43] <holstein> Genji: its suppose to
[04:43] <holstein> and usually does
[04:43] <holstein> linux and win
[04:43] <holstein> whatever it can boot
[04:44] <Genji> so.... if i clone linux from one partition to another, it will have two linuxes showing in the grup menu after update-grub is run?
[04:44] <holstein> potentially
[04:44] <holstein> should*
[04:50] <Genji> okay.. so all i need  now is a live usb of ubuntu..
[04:52] <holstein> Genji: you can make one
[04:52] <holstein> from your istall
[04:53] <holstein> you need to download the ISO though
[04:54] <holstein> sytem-administration-startup disc creator
[04:54] <holstein> i usually use unetbootin though
[04:55] <Genji> yeah.. ill do the same. less thinking required.
[11:03] <obuibo> So, I'm having what seems to be a very common issue. My wireless card isn't recognized.
[11:04] <obuibo> Can't seem to find consensus (or even more than a hint) on how this issue is solved.
[13:43] <metze> hi is there a free application which converts audio to midi?
[15:16] <holstein> hey metze
[15:16] <holstein> i usually just get the midi playing
[15:16] <holstein> in whatever i feel comfortable with
[15:16] <holstein> and use JACK to route the audio output
[15:16] <holstein> to ardour
[15:17] <holstein> BUT the guys in #opensourcemusicians had a commandline shortcut for this
[15:17] <holstein> that i totally forget ;)
[15:17] <holstein> obuibo: i would suggest
[15:17] <holstein> getting the normal ubuntu live CD
[15:18] <holstein> get that running on the box in question
[15:18] <holstein> and plug in to wired LAN
[15:18] <holstein> see if you are automatically prompted for an install of a propritary blob or whatever its called
[15:18] <holstein> obuibo: if you have already tried this
[15:19] <holstein> i would also suggest looking in a more frequented support avenue
[15:19] <holstein> since this issue is not necessarily limited to ubuntustudio
[15:19] <holstein> assuming the issue has nothing to do with how network manager is included in ubuntustudio
[15:37] <metze> holstein: I meant audio to midi not midi to audio:-)
[15:37] <holstein> hmmm
[15:37] <metze> holstein: I found waon, but it doesn't produce the result I was hoping for
[15:37] <holstein> metze: sorry, i glossed over that really quick
[15:37] <metze> no problem:-)
[15:38] <holstein> ask in #opensourcemusicians though
[15:38] <holstein> if you need :)
[15:38] <metze> thx for the pointer
[16:27] <nvsbl> so.. what kind of audio production software comes with Ubuntu studio?
[16:29] <nvsbl> speaking of audio production, has any body here had any luck running Ableton Live with wine?
[20:06] <marto> hey, having a problem with Jack. Headphone output connected to an amp and speakers (tested playing a song, it works) I'm using a midi keyboard with Jack and ZynAddSubFx, it works fine from laptop speakers but not via the headphone socket


[01:10] <benonsoftware> Hello everyone
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha benonsoftware
[01:10] <benonsoftware> Hello
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> sagaci; Hi
[01:10] <sagaci> hi
[01:10]  * benonsoftware forgot about this team
[01:11] <MrChrisDruif> Bad benonsoftware, bad!
[01:11] <benonsoftware> :P
[01:12] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, onto that pamphlet
[01:15] <MrChrisDruif> sagaci; still here?
[01:15] <sagaci> yup
[01:20] <MrChrisDruif> First of, the color...or lack there of ^_^
[01:21] <sagaci> oh yeah, 1 star for creativity
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe
[01:22] <sagaci> I was just using it as an exercise to create new material
[01:22] <sagaci> using spreadubuntu
[01:23] <MrChrisDruif> I've heard about it before...what was it again?
[01:23] <sagaci> spreadubuntu?
[01:24] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah
[01:24] <sagaci> it's a site where you can get and upload ubuntu materials
[01:24] <sagaci> mostly posters, brochures, presentations
[01:25] <sagaci> mostly CC-licensed
[01:25] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, right
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> So your idea was to grab on of them posters and use it as your base for your pamphlet?
[01:28] <sagaci> eh, kinda but not really
[01:28] <sagaci> very loosely base it off that material
[01:29] <sagaci> but rewrite and redesign from scratch
[01:35] <MrChrisDruif> sagaci; what should the effect of be the pamphlet?
[01:36] <sagaci> basic information
[01:36] <sagaci> about the main apps of ubuntu
[01:36] <sagaci> I'm just looking around #ubuntu-manual now
[17:37] <s-fox> Hello everyone
[19:59] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[20:07]  * jussi zaps the channnel into life
[20:08] <AlanBell> that was interesting
[20:42] <highvoltage> moo
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> meh
[20:59] <jussi> highvoltage: the effects of my highvoltage zapper making you fee like a cow? :P
[21:07] <highvoltage> *bzzzt*
[22:43] <bkerensa> heh


[00:01] <terminhell> Fresh install of xubuntu, freshly updated, activated the restricted Broadcom drivers and things still not working. Ironicly it seems like the wireless device is ON via the LED....
[00:20] <sinbox> is this inbuil or pcmcia card?
[00:20] <sinbox> oh
[00:20] <sinbox> he gone
[00:36] <linuxman410> how can you check amount of memory in computer in xubuntu
[00:38] <linuxman410> is there something i can type in terminal and get it
[00:40] <knome> linuxman410, 'free' / 'free -m' (as megabytes)
[00:40] <linuxman410> thanks
[00:40] <knome> maybe try learning google?
[00:40] <knome> not an offense, but you get quicker answers :)
[00:41] <linuxman410> ok
[00:41] <linuxman410> i do not mind waiting xubuntu and ubuntu has best support i ever seen
[00:42] <knome> yeah well, you could maybe part of that support ;)
[00:43] <knome> +be
[00:43]  * sinbox just asked google what a "debug build" is
[00:48] <knome> i want pizza
[01:01] <owen1__> my Gforce card is not being used. how to tell ubuntu to start using it?
[01:02] <knome> owen1__, if you have an integrated card, maybe disable it first from the bios
[01:03] <owen1__> knome: i don't know what integrated card means. mine is: GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x
[01:03] <sinbox> !pizza
[01:03] <knome> owen1__, integrated in your motherboard.
[01:03] <sinbox> oopss: bad bot
[01:03] <sinbox> :)
[01:05] <owen1__> knome: does integrated means - 'can't detach from my motherboard' ?
[01:06] <knome> owen1__, yes.
[01:06] <owen1__> knome: when i type : grep drivers /var/log/Xorg.0.log   i see: Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nv_drv.so
[01:06] <knome> maybe nv_drv refers to integrated nvidia card.
[01:06] <owen1__> knome: when i type: glxgears -info   i see: GL_RENDERER   = Software Rasterizer
[01:07] <sinbox> is your cadr on the motherboard or do  you have a card in a PCI/AGP slot owen1__ ?
[01:07] <terminhell1> anyone here???
[01:07] <knome> terminhell1, nope.
[01:07] <terminhell1> dang
[01:07] <terminhell1> :p
[01:08] <terminhell1> i just installed, updated and trying to get my broadcom working
[01:08] <sinbox> is this inbuil or pcmcia card? terminhell1
[01:08] <GINZ> Hi
[01:08] <terminhell1> it worked under ubuntu, and inbuilt
[01:08] <GINZ>  I am running Xubuntu, and recently made a blunder in the terminal. I got the error notice "#1290 - The MYSQL server is running with the - - skip-gfrant-tables option
 so it cannot execute this statement
[01:08] <owen1__> sinbox: is it the card with the vga and svideo connections?
[01:08] <terminhell1> via the restricted b43 driver but now i get nothing
[01:09] <GINZ> Can anyone tell me how to fix this please?
[01:09] <sinbox> did you use the bw43cutter thingmajig terminhell1
[01:09] <terminhell1> ya the firmware seems to be installed
[01:09] <owen1__> sinbox: i don't know what it's look like..sorry for my ignorance..
[01:09]  * sinbox knows nothing about mySQL GINZ
[01:10] <sinbox> it's ok owen1__ , how many video/monitor output do you have? (asin: in separate places on your computer)
[01:10] <knome> GINZ, maybe 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart'
[01:11] <sinbox> is your network settings set to roaming terminhell1 ?
[01:11] <GINZ> Ah  thanks i will try that
[01:11] <knome> it should just restart the mysql server
[01:11] <terminhell1> i dont see any way of setting it to that
[01:12] <sinbox> applications menu > system > network
[01:12] <terminhell1> the weird part is, is the LED light is on for the device...
[01:12] <terminhell1> and when i run iwconfig i get info about it
[01:12] <sinbox> selct the wireless network and check if the roaming tick box is enabled
[01:12] <sinbox> can you pastebin your iwconfig output?
[01:13] <owen1__> sinbox: only 1 vga and 1 svideo (on the some card)
[01:13] <terminhell1> and all i can see is just the words Wireless Networks
[01:14] <terminhell1> http://pastebin.com/d17f19d5f
[01:14] <owen1__> sinbox: (on the same card)
[01:17] <sinbox> and your monitor is pluged into that card then owen1__
[01:18] <owen1__> sinbox: yes
[01:19] <sinbox> then surely it's working (or am I missing the point here?)
[01:20] <terminhell1> its like im missing some network utilities
[01:21] <sinbox> have you tried to switch the roaming on terminhell1 in the network settings window which appears from here:  applications menu > system > network?
[01:21] <owen1__> sinbox: i can't play games. even crappy 2d games since everything is slow.
[01:21] <terminhell1> i dont have that
[01:22] <GINZ> Knome, I did  'sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart' It stopped then restarted mysql, then gave line "Checking for corrupt. not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.
[01:22] <owen1__> sinbox: someone told me to type the command  glxgears -info and the result was: GL_RENDERER   = Software Rasterizer
[01:22] <sinbox> hmm no idea wht needs to be done for you I'm afraid owen1__
[01:22] <owen1__> sinbox: no problem. thanks!
[01:22] <knome> GINZ, what is going on now then?
[01:22] <sinbox> you can also ask in ubuntu owen1__ if no one can help you here
[01:22] <owen1__> sinbox: i will.
[01:22] <sinbox> what don't you have terminhell1 ?
[01:23] <GINZ> knome I am not sure
[01:23] <terminhell1> i dont have "network" in App>syst
[01:23] <knome> GINZ, is it working or not? :P
[01:23] <sinbox> hmmm weird, are you on 8.10?
[01:24] <GINZ> I will check. I am new to this and have to follow a tutorial so it will take me a moment or three
[01:24] <terminhell1> ya
[01:24] <terminhell1> and updated
[01:24] <knome> GINZ, k
[01:24] <terminhell1> whats the command util called? maybe i can find it manually
[01:26] <sinbox> take a look at this maybe terminhell1 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[01:26] <sinbox> it's a how-to setup wifi via the cli
[01:28] <terminhell1> awesome
[01:29] <sinbox> give it a try
[01:29] <sinbox> by the time you come back I might have my laptop backed up and installing 8.04
[01:34] <GINZ> Knome I am haing trouble... phpmyadmin is not recognising my password
[01:35] <GINZ> I guess I will have to do the whole password setting process again
[01:35] <knome> GINZ, suppose so.
[01:35] <GINZ> OK  see you later if i still have trouble  :) Thanks
[01:35] <knome> yeah.
[01:36] <knome> i'm going really soon to bed.
[01:36] <knome> but there's other people who can help you.
[01:36] <GINZ> OK  bye
[01:36] <knome> bye.
[01:36] <GINZ> That is the trouble with being in NZ
[01:36] <GINZ> everyone else is in different time zones
[01:36] <GINZ> Bye
[01:37] <knome> hah, the clock is 3.30am here ;)
[01:38] <KillerOrcaSys> I lost the ability to play DVDs any troubleshooting help would be appreciated
[01:38] <GINZ> yikes 2.38pm here
[01:38] <knome> !dvd
[01:38] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: I could play them, they won't anymore
[01:39] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, after doing *what*
[01:39] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: as far as I can tell, installing a 2nd HDD
[01:40] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, doesn't sound a reason.
[01:40] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, if you launch your dvd player app in terminal, what output do you get?
[01:40] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: well other than that I have been doing normal apt updates
[01:40] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: I use VLC, not sure how to launch it via terminal
[01:40] <terminhell> =/
[01:41] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, just open terminal and run 'vlc'
[01:41] <sinbox> I take it the DVD and 2nd HDD are on the secondary IDE, have you set the jumpers properly KillerOrcaSys ?
[01:42] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: well I can access both drives so I am assuming
[01:42] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: should I run it with the DVD in the drive?
[01:43] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, sure, and try to play the dvd
[01:44] <sinbox> yeah I guess you'd get a warning at boot time if the jumpers were badly messing it up
[01:45] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: ok vlc starts then just sits there
[01:45] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, try to play the dvd
[01:45] <GINZ> knome I am using http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html
[01:46] <knome> GINZ, yes?
[01:46] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: I get this:Unable to open 'dvd:///dev/scd0'
[01:47] <GINZ>  got to second step, # mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables &, and it says mysql_safe: command not found
[01:47] <knome> GINZ, mysql*D*_safe
[01:47] <GINZ> woops, thanks
[01:48] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, a-ha. you have a different dev path now. type 'mount' in another terminal
[01:48] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: mount what?
[01:48] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, just 'mount'
[01:49] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, you should see a list of current mounts
[01:49] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: yeah I do
[01:49] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, can you paste to pastebin
[01:49] <knome> !pastebin
[01:50] <terminhell> :(
[01:50] <GINZ> knome the webpage has output  [1] 5988
[01:50] <GINZ> Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql
[01:50] <GINZ> mysqld_safe[6025]: started
[01:50] <terminhell> ugh, i guess i should just switch back to ubuntu
[01:50] <knome> GINZ, yeah?
[01:50] <GINZ>  Mine has different numbers
[01:50] <knome> GINZ, the numbers doesn't matter.
[01:51] <knome> GINZ, they are just process numbers
[01:51] <GINZ> and after Started has another line
[01:51] <knome> terminhell, ?
[01:51] <sinbox> still no luck terminhell I take it
[01:51] <knome> GINZ, which line?
[01:51] <terminhell> ya, nothinig
[01:51] <sinbox> wa it working in ubuntu that wifi?
[01:51] <terminhell> its like im missin 1 little thing or something
[01:51] <knome> terminhell, nm-applet?
[01:51] <GINZ> starting " STOPPING server
[01:51] <terminhell> its not getting info from dhcp
[01:52] <sinbox> have you tried giving it a fixed IP within your range available?
[01:52] <knome> GINZ, just try to proceed
[01:52] <knome> GINZ, or then paste the complete output of all the commands to pastebin
[01:53] <terminhell> i  have nm-applet
[01:53] <terminhell> and its running
[01:53] <terminhell> has been
[01:53] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94001/
[01:53] <sinbox> and your wifi light is still flashing on the laptop?
[01:53] <GINZ> from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid mysqld_safe[7699]:ended"
[01:53] <GINZ> Knome  what is pastebin?
[01:53] <sinbox> !pastebin
[01:53] <knome> !pastebin | GINZ
[01:53] <terminhell> ya (it doesnt flash, static, always has)
[01:54] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, so if you navigate to /media/disk, does it show the contents of your dvd?
[01:54] <sinbox> ok, it's weird you can't open your network settings from the menu though
[01:54] <terminhell> ya nothing there
[01:55] <knome> terminhell, can you do a really quick recap: what is not working? wifi?
[01:55] <GINZ> !pastebin " STOPPING server  from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid mysqld_safe[7699]:ended"
[01:56] <terminhell> knome: ya, broadcom, LED is active, the antenna is on i just cant get it to connect to anything + i dont have a Applications>System>"Network"
[01:56] <knome> GINZ, go to that URL and paste the *whole* output there
[01:56] <GINZ> knome did that work?
[01:56] <GINZ> Oh ok
[01:56] <sinbox> GINZ,  you have to go to: http://paste.ubuntu.com and then paste on that page
[01:57] <knome> terminhell, 'sudo nm-connection-manager' at terminal?
[01:58] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: I think /media/disk is my 2nd HDD
[01:58] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, ok.
[01:58] <terminhell> command not found
[01:59] <knome> terminhell, ok: 'sudo nm-connection-editor'
[01:59] <KillerOrcaSys> is there just a way to list all my DVD/CD-Rom drives?
[01:59] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, i'm on a bit slow moment now :)
[01:59] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, wait a sec.
[02:00] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, do you see your DVD drive icon in thunar?
[02:00] <terminhell> ya i can bring that up normally
[02:00] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, in the left?
[02:00] <knome> terminhell, so what is the problem?
[02:01] <terminhell> ive added a connection there before
[02:01] <terminhell> and nothing
[02:01] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: it isn't in the left, but when I go to computer I can see the icon, when I click on it it says 'unable to mount'
[02:01] <knome> terminhell, nothing = ? you can't connect?
[02:01] <terminhell> ive been told to enable roaming, but i have no option for it
[02:01] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, ok
[02:02] <GINZ> Knome  did i do it correctly this time?
[02:02] <forces> saluton
[02:02] <knome> GINZ, what is the pastebin url?
[02:02] <GINZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/94008/
[02:03] <knome> GINZ, i think so. what happens if you restart?
[02:03] <knome> GINZ, (mysql)
[02:03] <knome> GINZ, does it work?
[02:03] <GINZ> ?  restart?  exactly what does this mean?
[02:04] <knome> GINZ, 'sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart'
[02:04] <terminhell> ** (nm-connection-editor:14532): WARNING **: Invalid setting Wireless: ssid
[02:04] <terminhell> [WARN 14532] polkit-action.c:211:polkit_action_set_action_id(): polkit_action_validate_id (action_id)
[02:04] <terminhell>  Not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace
[02:04] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: I'm starting to think it may be the jumpers, I have 3 IDEs though
[02:05] <terminhell> meh, ima just reinstall ubuntu
[02:05] <sinbox> it could be that or maybe the cable not being in place fully at the back, worth a check just in case KillerOrcaSys has happened to me bofore and they looked good, but when I checked the cable wasn't in fully
[02:06] <sinbox> and you have the nm-applet tem? wht does that say?
[02:06] <sinbox> terminhell, *
[02:06] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, what does 'sudo lshw | grep cd' return?
[02:07] <terminhell> nothing
[02:07] <terminhell> it just shows my wired connection
[02:07] <GINZ> knome http://paste.ubuntu.com/94010/
[02:07] <terminhell> and options to connect to vpn and hidden stuff
[02:08] <knome> GINZ, did you *really* get that last line with "mysql..." ?
[02:08] <GINZ> yes
[02:08] <sinbox> yep, I had that problem with my broadcom too , it magically fixed itself after a reboot. do you know whtat chipset or chipset series your broadcom is?
[02:08] <knome> GINZ, weird.
[02:08] <knome> GINZ, however it looks like it's ok. can you login with phpmyadmin?
[02:08] <terminhell> b43xx
[02:09] <GINZ> woops I missed out one line
[02:09] <terminhell> ya ive experienced the magic fix before
[02:09] <sinbox> and you used the FW43cutter already?
[02:09] <terminhell> when runing fedora 10 the other day it was doing that, would work sometimes then not, but  i had to use ndiwrapper
[02:09] <terminhell> i think so
[02:10] <sinbox> I had to run the FW43cuter twice before mine got fixed
[02:10] <GINZ> knome http://paste.ubuntu.com/94011/
[02:10] <terminhell> how do i do that
[02:10] <sinbox> one sec
[02:11] <terminhell> i dont understand why this is being so much more difficult
[02:11] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94012/
[02:12] <sinbox> do you know which 43xxx it is exactly in there?  have any reference for it?
[02:12] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, you have two cd/dvd drivers ?
[02:12] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: no, one is just CD
[02:12] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, ok.
[02:12] <GINZ> knome  no it is not accwpting my password, but I have only gone to step 2 so far of 6 steps
[02:12] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, your system is trying to read the dvd from the cd drive
[02:12] <knome> GINZ, ok
[02:12] <terminhell>  Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[02:13] <terminhell> -,-
[02:13] <sinbox> ok
[02:13] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, 'vlc --dvd /dev/scd1' and try to play dvd?
[02:14] <terminhell> like i said, it auto detected the restricted driver for it and i installed them, and usually after i ran that in ubuntu it work either work on the spot or after a reboot
[02:15] <GINZ> knome   I don't know what is wrong but the step 3 got Access denied
[02:16] <knome> GINZ, then the first step hasn't worked.
[02:16] <knome> GINZ, do you have any importand data in there?
[02:16] <GINZ> not yet  LOL
[02:16] <sinbox> and do you have ndiswrapper installed?  I don't think this one needs the FW43cutter terminhell
[02:17] <terminhell> sinbox: no
[02:17] <GINZ> My son set the machine up in Feb and I have just started trying to use it
[02:17] <knome> GINZ, ok, so you might want to 'sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server'
[02:17] <GINZ> and son is now out of reach
[02:17] <knome> GINZ, and then 'sudo apt-get install mysql-server'
[02:17] <knome> GINZ, you should get clean configuration
[02:18] <knome> GINZ, and please do *NOT* forget your password again ;)
[02:18] <GINZ> Knome will that be OK if I don;t have the right password?
[02:18] <sinbox> ah ok
[02:18] <GINZ> My son has not given me complete control apparently
[02:19] <sinbox> terminhell, I think you want to read this then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff
[02:19] <knome> GINZ, the password is yours
[02:19] <GINZ> Oh the one for opening the computer?
[02:19] <knome> GINZ, yes.
[02:20] <GINZ> So it is safe for me to do the two lines you gave above?
[02:20] <knome> GINZ, yes, if you really don't have anything in the mysql (and nobody else has)
[02:20] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: do backwards jumpers matter?
[02:21] <GINZ> al I have done with it was attempt to make a new user and db
[02:21] <GINZ> so I could get work being done in Gallery
[02:21] <knome> GINZ, so you've just installed it, right?
[02:21] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94015/
[02:21] <GINZ> I shall do those lines now
[02:21] <knome> GINZ, ok. :)
[02:22] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, replace scd1 with scd0 ?
[02:23] <GINZ> knome  woops another to paste
[02:23] <knome> GINZ, ok
[02:24] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: same result
[02:24] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, and you have a dvd in drive ?:P
[02:25] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: afraid so
[02:25] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, what about /dev/dvd ?
[02:26] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: same result
[02:26] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, and this dvd has worked earlier?
[02:26] <GINZ> knome http://paste.ubuntu.com/94020/
[02:27] <knome> GINZ, close synaptic ;)
[02:27] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: yeah, I didn't touch this IDE cable or these drives either when I installed the ned HDD
[02:27] <GINZ> knome done
[02:27] <knome> GINZ, try again
[02:27] <GINZ> ok
[02:28] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, weird.
[02:28] <KillerOrcaSys> I am going to reboot to check something, bacck in a min
[02:29] <GINZ> Knome this time it got "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user  ... etc
[02:29] <knome> GINZ, please paste complete output at pastebin
[02:30] <GINZ>  can I pm you please?
[02:31] <knome> GINZ, ok, if it's really necessary ;)
[02:38] <sinbox> knome you ever used clonezilla live cd?
[02:39] <knome> sinbox, nope.
[02:39] <sinbox> ok nvm :)
[02:53] <KillerOrcaSys> well i removed the 2nd HDD and it still won't play DVD's
[02:53] <KillerOrcaSys> anyone have reccomendations for a new DVD drvie?
[02:55] <KillerOrcaSys> still seems to read CDs fine though
[02:57] <sinbox> so you can play an audio CD in that drive via VLC?
[02:58] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: no, it just opens up sound juicer instead of refusing to do anything when I put in a DVD
[03:00] <sinbox> and if you have an audio CD in there can you play it via VLC?
[03:01] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: not via vlc but I can at least see the CD in the desktop
[03:02] <sinbox> even if you start vlc it won't play the CD?
[03:02] <sinbox> when you do openm disc?
[03:02] <sinbox> -m
[03:03] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: I can open the disc, but not play anything, says I'm missing a codec
[03:03] <knome> !dvd | KillerOrcaSys
[03:03] <sinbox> weird that with vlcbut at least it finds the drive (or had you worked that out already?)
[03:04] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, specifically: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[03:04] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: I have the formats, it just won't play
[03:04] <knome> mmhm.
[03:04] <sinbox> but it finds the drive now?
[03:05] <sinbox> beause I was under the impression it was not finding it earlier
[03:05] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: when there is a DVD in there it can't find it
[03:05]  * sinbox wonder who is that remote that keeps closing connections
[03:06] <knome> it's me
[03:06] <sinbox> ok do this right now in vlc: view menu > messages
[03:06] <sinbox> in there you should have the reference to which is the drive (if you haven't closed it since you tried to play that CD)
[03:06] <sinbox> haha
[03:07]  * sinbox hides from remote knome
[03:07] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94037/
[03:08] <sinbox> not too sure, it's weird if the drive is mounted, I thought that that was the problem earlier
[03:08] <knome> i'm just guessing a missing dvdread lib
[03:09] <knome> or just something really simple
[03:09] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: well I'm re-doing the lbdvdcss install
[03:09] <knome> KillerOrcaSys, yep.
[03:11] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: still won't open the DVD
[03:12] <knome> :<
[03:12] <knome> http://failblog.org/2008/04/27/pot-of-gold-fail/
[03:13] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: http://paste.ubuntu.com/94040/
[03:13] <sinbox> if it was just a dvd lib missing the CD audio should have played though
[03:15] <sinbox> you don't have another DVD or CD drive you could put in there just to try out?
[03:15] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: which leads me to believe I need a new drive, I mean it is 8 years old
[03:16] <sinbox> that could be it, then again if you had another one you could just put in to test that would be easier
[03:17] <sinbox> my DVD burner is all funny as well, it will only burn audio CDs, no data, no iso images :/  very annoying
[03:17] <knome> i need to sleep
[03:17] <knome> good night everybody
[03:18] <sinbox> night night over the east
[03:18] <KillerOrcaSys> knome: night
[03:18] <KillerOrcaSys> sinbox: at the moment no, I will need to newegg one down here
[03:57] <william56> anyone know of an app similiar to fruity loops that'll run in xubuntu?
[04:04] <w00t> is there a way to get archive manager to tell me its statu when its extracting a big file?
[04:04] <w00t> william56: lmms
[04:05] <w00t> although you may wanna look into running an older version of fruity loops using wine with jack
[04:05] <w00t> i run win vsts with a very high working rate with newest wine using my good old windows sequencer :)
[04:05] <w00t> im pretty sure fl7 works
[04:06] <william56> thanks, but i'm looking to fill up this computer i'm gonna be getting my hands on with free stuff. i've bookmarked the lmms homepage though
[04:11] <w00t> cool, nothing wrong with that....remember that there are free apps to run windows vts to use in your stuff (and also lmms can run some win vsts)
[04:12] <w00t> a lot of win vsts are free, free beer though
[04:16] <william56> ah
[04:18] <w00t> and with jack audio its all connectable so you can mix native apps and whatever else jack compatible as needed...so many options i love it :D
[04:32] <roccity> can anyone suggest if wubi is good for beginners
[04:32] <roccity> I got moms trying it out
[04:32] <sinbox> never tried it but I guess it's a good way to find out what's in store without damaging yur windows
[04:34] <roccity> I tried it but that was a whie ago and it seemed slow
[04:36] <sinbox> well it would be slower than a proper install
[04:39] <roccity> I'm just tring to convert family to  the dark side
[04:40] <roccity> :)
[04:40] <w00t> anyone know a good way to setup iso mounting in xubuntu similar to "daemon tools"
[05:20] <forces> w00t, http://tinyurl.com/7jpzk7
[05:21] <w00t> forces: haha, cute.
[05:21] <w00t> ive solved the problem i should have said so, thanks
[05:32] <Sinister>  i only want to get mail when the to: has one addy mine is that posoble ?
[05:33] <william56> w00t, i think there's something like mount /home/iso.iso /mnt/iso -t iso or something
[05:34] <w00t> yeah got a script now , thank
[05:34] <w00t> you
[05:34] <william56> np
[05:34] <william56> what was the answer?
[05:35] <william56> oic, -t iso9660
[05:45] <william56> oh great, my harddrive just clicked while i was resizing my windows partition for an xubuntu install
[05:49] <w00t> uh oh
[05:50] <william56> the whole thing froze, and i had to redetect the hd in the bios to get it working
[05:51] <william56> guess i'll be reinstalling windows tonight..
[05:52] <william56> oh hell
[05:53] <william56> i just realised i had 4 or 5 gigs worth of oblivion mods on there
[05:54] <w00t> :|
[05:54] <w00t> i hate that
[05:57] <william56> you ever play oblivion? i had the whole fcom: convergence deal, along with all of the wiseman's reduced textures packs, including the extra one.. probably another texture overhaul or two also
[06:05] <w00t> actually  i havent played...im a console gamer ;)
[06:06] <william56> ah
[06:15] <xcyriusx> anyone installed xubuntu on their ps3?
[06:16] <maxamillion> xcyriusx: no, fedora
[06:16] <maxamillion> xcyriusx: all sorts of tutorials ... was very easy
[06:17] <xcyriusx> thanks ill check it out
[06:29] <juhls> How do I totally not save a session at logout?  It always reopens programs I had open before.
[06:32] <Odd-rationale> juhls: uncheck the save session check box when you log out... also you might want to delete ~/.cache/sesions
[06:33] <Odd-rationale> or ~/.xfce4/sessions or something like that... forgot the exact name...
[06:33] <juhls> I'll move the file checking the box doesn't seem to do anything
[06:56] <Muhammad_Saad> Hello, I have installed xubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu 8.04 and now it has limited me to two virtual desktops. Whereas I remember that I could increase the number of virtual desktops as much as I wished when the last time I installed Xfce by just installing xfce4 package. What is the problem here? Does anyone know?
[06:58] <Odd-rationale> Muhammad_Saad: well, in xfce, try going to Applications --> Settings --> settings manager. One of those should be able to change the number of desktops.
[06:58] <JacobS> Muhammad, if you have installed Compiz the desktop is only is limit a two desk
[07:01] <Muhammad_Saad> Thanks Odd-rationale. I found it.
[07:03] <snowman> is there a program that will let you use live input from a webcam?
[07:04] <Muhammad_Saad> I just got another question in my mind. I have seen videos of 3D cubes on GNOME as well as KDE. How can I do that? Which packages do I need? And is it possible on Xfce too?
[07:04] <JacobS> Yes, but is very "buggy" is not recomend to begginers
[07:05] <Muhammad_Saad> Is it problematic on all desktop environments or just Xfce?
[07:06] <snowman> muhammad_saad: you need to download compiz Im running it no-prob
[07:06] <snowman> it is very CPU intensive though
[07:07] <JacobS> Is very well with GNOME, but you need a ATI or Nvidia chips
[07:08] <w00t> its not as buggy as one might think (compiz)
[07:08] <w00t> its just gpu intensive
[07:08] <Muhammad_Saad> It seems like the default Ubuntu installation already comes with some components of compiz as I can see them installed in the package manager. What do I need in addition to these?
[07:09] <snowman> just search compiz in add/remove
[07:09] <w00t> compiz fusion, emerald, fusion-icon
[07:09] <w00t> fusion-icon is a very useful package if you want to run compiz
[07:10] <JacobS> emerald is a sust of Windows manager to Xfce, for this ha ve several bugs
[07:10] <w00t> hmmm pretty stable for me
[07:11] <w00t> newest iterations at least
[07:11] <JacobS> Is  possible run Xfce windows manager and emerald?
[08:05] <william56> is it hard to update xubuntu using packages from a newer install cd?
[08:13] <forces> william56, for examplo of hardy at intrepid
[08:13] <forces> ?
[08:14] <forces> or what?
[08:17]  * forces sleep
[08:18] <william56> oh, sorry, meant 8.04.1 to 8.10
[08:27] <sinbox> so you want to upgrade then?
[08:29] <william56> yes
[09:01] <ahklerner> hi room
[09:01] <william56> hey ahklerner
[09:02] <ahklerner> is there a hotkey to take a screenshot
[09:02] <ahklerner> like on windows i can printscreen and paste into paint
[09:02] <ahklerner> i tried that to paste into gimp but it didnt work :(
[09:03] <william56> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553015 try post #6
[09:04] <ahklerner> i had just found that :)
[09:04] <william56> :P
[09:04] <ahklerner> (thread)
[09:08] <ahklerner> sweet it worked thanks
[09:08] <william56> np
[10:10] <GINZ> hi. I am trying to find how/where to adjust monitor colours in xubuntu. Can you help me please?
[11:03] <ahklerner> applications->settings->settings manager->display ??
[11:05] <GINZ> I tried that but it didn;t seem to make much difference
[11:06] <GINZ> unless it doesn;t work till after rebooting
[11:06] <ahklerner> i really have no clue
[11:06] <ahklerner> except for that
[11:06] <GINZ> Ok thanks for trying
[11:07] <GINZ> I probably shouldn't worry as I am getting a new monitor
[11:07] <GINZ> I wish the Ubuntu help had a search
[11:08] <ahklerner> it does its called google
[11:08] <GINZ> lol
[11:08] <ahklerner> search the ubuntu forums
[11:09] <GINZ> yep will do tomorrow as it is past midnight now
[11:09] <GINZ> Thanks
[12:16] <klopapier> hey
[12:16] <klopapier> anybody there?
[12:16] <TheSheep> no
[12:17] <klopapier> xDD
[12:17] <klopapier> i need some help with my xfce4-panel
[12:17] <klopapier> it wont start at startup
[12:17] <klopapier> always gotta do it manually
[12:17] <klopapier> kinda sucks
[12:18] <TheSheep> remove your saved sessions from ~/.cache/sessions
[12:27] <klopapier> thats all?
[12:27] <klopapier> i'll try
[12:27] <klopapier> and theres another thing
[12:28] <klopapier> i have 2 hdd
[12:28] <klopapier> one with 3 partitions
[12:28] <klopapier> well actually 4
[12:28] <klopapier> sda : 1 linux native, 1 swap, 1 ntfs, 1 fat32
[12:29] <klopapier> and sdb : 1 fat32, 1 ntfs
[12:29] <klopapier> sda is SATA
[12:29] <klopapier> sdb is IDE to secondary port
[12:29] <klopapier> but i only see my linux native
[12:31] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[12:33] <klopapier> the thing is
[12:34] <klopapier> when i start gparted
[12:34] <klopapier> the ntfs and the fat32 form the sda
[12:34] <klopapier> are mounted
[12:34] <klopapier> and sometimes those in sdb too
[12:34] <klopapier> but not always
[12:52] <XaeroOne> is there anywhere I can check if xubuntu is compatible with my computer?
[13:53] <solotim> I'm running xubuntu 8.04 on an old Dell laptop (C600) .  My problem is that the display resolution can't be set to 1024x768. It stick in 800x600@56Hz. I have tried the "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" method, but it doesn't help. Anyone can help me out? Thanks
[13:53] <vidd> we just had someone with that problem the other day....
[13:54] <vidd> what does lspci tell you your card is?
[13:54] <PurplePlus> solotim what happens if u try ctrl-alt-+(the plus key)
[13:55] <solotim> purpleplus, nothing happened
[13:55] <solotim> ATI Rage 128 Mobility graphics card.
[13:56] <vidd> PurplePlus, he has a laptop....he probably only has the "+" on the same key as the "=" sign...and that dont work like you expect
[13:56] <vidd> solotim, that is NOT what lspci tells you
[13:56] <solotim> ok, guys , I just found something maybe useful. thank you~ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=828588
[13:56] <PurplePlus> ouch
[13:56] <solotim> I'll report later.
[14:02] <vidd> i love posts that say "blindly copy/paste the contents of "file x" into this folder that is used with elivated permissions during boot....."
[14:02]  * vidd prefers posts that state the changes and why
[14:03] <vidd> PurplePlus, i like that resolution shortcut btw
[14:04] <solotim> Done, cheers
[14:04] <solotim> :)
[14:04] <solotim> thank u all
[14:04] <solotim> bye
[14:04] <vidd> solotim,
[14:04] <vidd> hold up
[14:04] <solotim> yes,
[14:04] <solotim> what
[14:05] <vidd> can you at least add to that post the contents of that file?
[14:05] <vidd> or maybe pastebin it?
[14:05] <klopapier> hey back again
[14:06] <klopapier> thanks TheSheep
[14:06] <vidd> im assuming that it worked for you
[14:06] <klopapier> ur tips worked fine
[14:06] <solotim> sorry, I don´t understand your meanning,  I just followed the guide of that post, downloaded the conf file it offered and substituted my local xorg.conf
[14:06] <vidd> yes
[14:06] <PurplePlus> :)
[14:06] <vidd> i would much like to see the contents of that file
[14:06] <solotim> :)
[14:06] <solotim> paste here?
[14:06] <vidd> but im not going to register to a site
[14:06] <solotim> may I?
[14:06] <klopapier> now i just need a cool list of repositories
[14:06] <solotim> oh, I see.
[14:06] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:06] <klopapier> were can i find them
[14:07] <klopapier> ?
[14:07] <vidd> solotim, i want to make sure that the instructions dont have "import rootkit" in it somewhere =]
[14:10] <klopapier> where can i find a cool list of repositories?
[14:10] <vidd> klopapier, define "cool"
[14:10] <solotim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/94302/
[14:10] <klopapier> or is it enough if i just uncomment those commented in the sources.list
[14:10] <solotim> done
[14:10] <klopapier> i dont know
[14:10] <klopapier> with lots of useful apps
[14:10]  * vidd thinks that the basic main, universe and multiverse repos are just "cool" as i need
[14:11] <klopapier> xDD
[14:11] <klopapier> ok
[14:11] <ramrod> just look for apps youd like to use
[14:11] <vidd> solotim, let me review that b4 ya go?
[14:11] <ramrod> when somethings not in your repos add the required
[14:11] <klopapier> but there are some packages it doesnt find
[14:11] <klopapier> VLC
[14:11] <klopapier> opera browser
[14:12] <klopapier> for starters
[14:12] <solotim> well, :) I have to go. I´ll come here tomorrow the same time
[14:12] <solotim> see ya
[14:12] <vidd> i wont be here
[14:12] <vidd> there is a lot of junk in that file
[14:13] <solotim> oh a!?
[14:13] <solotim> but it works
[14:13] <solotim> why
[14:13] <vidd> and you are now locked to only 1 sceen resolution
[14:13] <solotim> i dont care, since it works
[14:13] <solotim> this is laptop
[14:13] <klopapier> what about those "canonical" and "backports" repos?
[14:13] <solotim> i can only in this resolution.
[14:13] <vidd> if your fine with bloat and limitations, then fine
[14:13] <klopapier> worth to uncomment
[14:14] <klopapier> ?
[14:14] <solotim> vidd, what´s your suggestion then
[14:14] <solotim> it will be appreciated
[14:14] <vidd> remove line 50, and 55-84......
[14:15] <vidd> you should then have all resolutions your display and monitor can support
[14:15] <solotim> ok. I´ll try tomorrow. Thank you very much!!  I´ll remember u
[14:16] <solotim> I really have to go. it´s time to do sth
[14:16] <solotim> bye
[14:16] <vidd> also...the keyboard and mouse are configured by HAL
[14:16] <vidd> so you dont really need them either
[14:16] <vidd> other than that, the file is safe to use
[14:19] <klopapier> what about those "canonical" and "backports" repos?
[14:19] <klopapier> worth to uncomment?
[14:20] <vidd> klopapier, didnt you just say that b4?
[14:20] <klopapier> yeah but nobody answered
[14:20] <klopapier> :s
[14:20] <vidd> and nobody new came into the room....
[14:21] <vidd> they didnt have an answer b4....why would they have one now?
[14:21] <klopapier> maybe others in the room who weren't payin attention the fisrt time were now...
[14:21] <klopapier> dont know...
[14:21] <vidd> i personally never bother with backports, and i dont have any idea if i would trust a "cononical" repo...so IDK
[14:21] <klopapier> just u and solo were talkin
[14:22] <klopapier> ok
[14:22] <klopapier> thanks
[14:22] <vidd> look at it this way....
[14:23] <vidd> backports add "new" apps to "old" versions
[14:23] <klopapier> ok
[14:23] <vidd> for example....
[14:23] <klopapier> just read in operas website
[14:23] <klopapier> "If you are using an Ubuntu-based distribution, you can get Opera directly from Canonical's commercial repository."
[14:23] <vidd> after 7.10's release, FF came out with version 3
[14:24] <vidd> if you wanted FF3 in 7.10, you had to compile it or get a deb....
[14:24] <vidd> then, it was added to backports
[14:24] <klopapier> i c
[14:25] <klopapier> ...whats meant with "commercial repository" ... do i have to pay for installing packages?
[14:25] <klopapier> hows that
[14:25] <vidd> dunno
[14:26] <klopapier> hope not
[14:26] <klopapier> i'll try
[14:26] <vidd> like i said...IDK if i'd trust that
[14:27] <vidd> multiverse is maintained by ppl looking out for ppl....
[14:27] <vidd> dunno if id use a repo that is maintained by ppl looking out for corprate
[14:28] <vidd> =]
[14:45] <Saad1> How do I change the configuration for xkb layouts?
[14:45] <Saad1> in Ubuntu 8.10
[14:46] <vidd> Saad1, you can add the keyboard layout plugin to your panels or go into the settings manager
[14:49] <Saad1> What if I want to change the settings for all users. Like in Ubuntu 8.04 it could be done by editing xorg.conf.
[14:50] <vidd> Saad1, i would imagine you could do it the same as you did it in 8.04
[14:50] <Saad1> I have tried editing /etc/default/console-setup but it did not help.
[14:50] <Saad1> There is no keyboard section in xorg.conf
[14:50] <vidd> so....add it
[14:50] <Saad1> I do not know what to add. Can you help?
[14:51] <vidd> if you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" it will walk you thru it
[14:52] <vidd> its the config tool for xorg
[14:52] <vidd> and will add the lines you need for you
[14:53] <vidd> since i never needed to change my keyboard layout, i dont know exactly what lines should and should not been important
[14:54] <vidd> and i dont want to miss something and leave you with a borked system
[14:54] <vidd> =]
[14:54] <Saad1> :) Let's try
[14:55] <Saad1> The release notes say: "The X.Org configuration file (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) still has InputDevice entries for the mouse and keyboard, but they are ignored now because input-hotplug is used. The keyboard settings now come from /etc/default/console-setup; to change them please use sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. After that, HAL and X need to be restarted (e.g., by rebooting your system)."
[14:56] <vidd> then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup"
[14:56] <vidd> then reboot your machine
[14:57] <Saad1> How do I restart HAL without rebooting? I am currently using live CD to make sure I am ready to install 8.10
[14:58] <vidd> Saad1, so far as i know....you dont
[14:58] <vidd> and when you install, you will be prompted to set the keyboard layout....
[14:59] <vidd> im surprised the live cd didnt prompt you on boot
[14:59] <vidd> you can TRY "sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart
[14:59] <Saad1> It prompted on boot but the keyboard layout I want to use is a custom one.
[15:00] <Saad1> I know how to install but currently am not sure how to enable it.
[15:00] <Saad1> OK. I am trying.
[15:04] <Saad1> It worked. Thanks vidd.
[15:05] <vidd> np
[15:51] <Guest92119> anyone know how to turn on wobbly windows? intrepid - xfce
[15:52] <TheSheep> !compiz
[15:52] <Guest92119> i have installed the ati drivers
[15:53] <Guest92119> thanks
[17:23] <william56> do i need to do more than copy the directory packages are stored in and run apt-get install (packages) to install downloaded packages from one copy of xubuntu x86 to another?
[17:31] <Cowie`> Can someone explain to me why Xubuntu is showing my partitions / mounts on the desktop? And maybe tell me how to get rid of them D:
[17:33] <slow-motion> hi
[17:34] <Cowie`> Hello
[17:34] <slow-motion> hi Cowie`
[17:35] <TheSheep> Cowie`: settings->desktop->second tab
[17:36] <Cowie`> TheSheep: If I do Settings > Desktop settings > Behaviour
[17:37] <Cowie`> Then edit desktop items, the only one to rid of it is the None setting - Which displays nothing then D:
[17:39] <Cowie`> Any other ideas TheSheep ?
[17:44] <JacobS> Cowie do you have the option checkbox disabled Show icons for mounted devices?
[17:45] <Cowie`> Jacob - I get no option for that :\
[17:45] <JacobS> What is your version of Xubuntu
[17:45] <Cowie`> Oh wait sorry, all the options aren't ticked JacobS
[17:48] <JacobS> Show icons > for removable devices is not here?
[17:48] <Cowie`> removable devices is not ticked JacobS
[17:49] <JacobS> Do you use a old version of Xubuntu, is this present in 8.10
[17:50] <Cowie`> An only version - So I'll upgrade it all to 8.1
[17:50] <Cowie`> I'll be back if it still persists at showing the files D:
[20:15] <tingle> the wifi led on my notebooks blinks 24/7 when it has connection to a signal. can i tweak it so its just on or off? its just on in xp and ubuntu
[20:16] <crimsun> if you modify the source code, sure
[20:38] <craigbass1976> <IP_ADDRESS>:/home/craig/        /home/craig/remote      nfs     defaults          Any reason why this entry in /etc/fstab won't mount up the drive?  It worked before I wiped this laptop (had regular ubuntu on it, now it's clean xub)
[20:38] <craigbass1976> And I can't find in logs where the mounting failed
[20:38] <craigbass1976> On either box
[20:38] <Kepler> Is the NFS daemon on?
[20:40] <craigbass1976> Should it be on my laptop?  It is on the server.
[20:41] <craigbass1976> I probably didn't even install it, see nothing in /etc/init.d
[20:42] <craigbass1976> This appears to be the case... Installing appropriate packages.  Duh...
[20:43] <craigbass1976> And there's my share, ladies and gentlemen.  Thanks a bunch.  Too bad OpenOffice files still don't work over nfs...
[20:51] <Kepler> lol
[21:36] <slow-motion> n8
[21:40] <linuxlerner> i have installed tightvnc package, and i am trying to connect to the machine from a windows machine running ultr@vnc . i am having problems, can anyone offer any advice?
[21:40] <forces> saluton
[21:40] <linuxlerner> hello
[21:42] <linuxlerner> i do not know how to connect to xubuntu:1
[21:49] <forces> linuxlerner, conect what?
[21:50] <linuxlerner> i am trying to connect via vnc to my xubuntu machine
[21:51] <linuxlerner> hen i start tightvncserver it says the display is xubuntu:1
[21:52] <arualavi> I think that VNC servers are listening on port 5900
[21:53] <arualavi> so you should be able to connect to your vnc server at: xubuntu_ip_adress:5900
[21:53] <linuxlerner> hmm
[21:53] <william56> http://paste.ubuntu.com/94581/ i'm trying to mount a partition on the hard drive that xubuntu is installed on.. any advice?
[21:54] <linuxlerner> it wont connect
[21:54] <linuxlerner> just says failed to connect
[21:54] <linuxlerner> let me look at the tightvnc loge
[21:54] <linuxlerner> log file
[21:55] <william56> anyone think mounting that partition using -o force could cause problems?
[21:56] <linuxlerner> it was port 5901
[21:57]  * linuxlerner goes to google for configuration
[22:05] <linuxlerner> ok well i can connect via vnc, but i cant do anything
[22:05] <linuxlerner> just get a pixely screen and crosshares
[22:07] <linuxlerner> any ideas?
[22:09] <linuxlerner> i have looked at this but there is no other config info there https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[22:09] <linuxlerner> for tightvncserver
[22:23] <linuxlerner> anyone help with tightvncserver configuration
[22:47] <asdf-> anyone have any links how to speed up xubuntu?
[22:47] <asdf-> everything im finding on google relates to gentoo
[22:49] <TheSheep> asdf-: that's one way :)
[22:49] <asdf-> yes, but do you know of any tutorials geared for xubuntu/ubuntu?
[22:49] <TheSheep> asdf-: actually I think it's the simplest way: use  faster distro
[22:50] <TheSheep> asdf-: everything that could be done without losing features was already done
[22:51] <asdf-> ok, how do i disable features?
[22:52] <TheSheep> depends on whic ones you want to disable
[22:52] <TheSheep> you can stop the cups daemon if you don't need printing, for example
[23:01] <asdf-> yes, i already did that one
[23:01] <asdf-> i want to disable dialup too
[23:02] <asdf-> the ones that startup are in /etc/init.d/ ? which ones do i must have enabled?