[01:52] <idnar> bleh, just got a timeout trying to create a project
[01:52] <idnar> wait, no
[01:52] <idnar> the timeout was just loading the project page after it was created, nevermind
[01:53] <wgrant_> That's still very odd. Do you have an OOPS ID?
[01:53] <idnar> OOPS-2059DW4
[01:54] <wgrant> Thanks.
[01:54] <idnar> URL was https://launchpad.net/mantissa
[01:54] <idnar> (although I guess that's probably in the OOPS info anyway?)
[01:54] <wgrant> I think I might know what it is, but we'll see shortly...
[01:54] <wgrant> Yup.
[01:55] <wgrant> Yeah, 8.5s query trying to guess at possibly relevant source packages...
[01:55] <wgrant> There's a bug for that.
[01:55] <wgrant> Bug #739051
[01:56] <nigelb> wow, that's a very complicated bug to rread.
[01:57] <nigelb> *read
[01:57] <wgrant> Heh.
[01:57] <wgrant> lifeless has that effect on people.
[01:57] <wgrant> er, bugs.
[01:57] <nigelb> Haha
[01:58] <idnar> haha
[01:58] <nigelb> which bit is timing out? the source distribution bits?
[01:59] <wgrant> Yeah. It's the fti/ILIKE stuff.
[01:59] <nigelb> Lets make everything XHR! :)
[02:29] <lifeless> wgrant: nigelb: it is however suitable for an engineer to work on :)
[02:33] <nigelb> lifeless: Hah, ok I may have to agree there :)
[08:52] <sagaci> Hi, I was just wondering if there was an option to sort translation page templates into a decreasing string like, ie. package with most untranslated strings at the start.
[12:42] <mfraz74> is it possible to use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas to search for packages in a certain series?
[13:08] <jelmer> mfraz74: I don't think it's possible at the moment
[13:08] <mfraz74> jelmer: OK, but it would be a useful addition
[13:09] <jelmer> mfraz74: I agree; you're always welcome to file a wishlist bug against the Launchpad project for things like this
[13:15] <mfraz74> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/830519
[17:26] <hakermania> hello, i'd like to ask something about ppa's. Specifically I want to ask about this: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA where it says 'Supported Series'. Does this changelog looks OK for lp?: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671779/
[17:27] <hakermania> err
[17:27] <hakermania> This changelog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671780/
[17:29]  * tumbleweed would recommend adding a ~ppa1 because that's the version you want to use in Ubuntu, eventually (and you may want to do a few more PPA uploads before then)
[17:32] <hakermania> tumbleweed, what is a ~ppa1? And whenever I want can't I delete a ppa and upload another one?
[17:33] <tumbleweed> hakermania: something to append to the version: 2.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 No you can't re-upload the same version again, ever
[17:34] <hakermania> tumbleweed, Can't I do tests? To see how it works?
[17:34] <hakermania> Ok i see
[17:35] <directhex> did we confirm that rothera and vernadsky are running a Lucid 2.6.32 kernel?
[17:35] <directhex> we've isolated the mono build problem to an issue with EPOLL that only happens on those boxes
[17:37] <elmo> directhex: they're running hardy, not lucid
[17:37] <nigelb> directhex: Testing mono builds on lucid host was the first time I got a "sad" reply to "build success!" :)
[17:38] <hakermania> tumbleweed, how do I append the ~ppa1 after the 0ubuntu1 before building(so when building to generate 0ubuntu1~ppa1 files? I tried changing the changelog but it outputs errors.
[17:38] <directhex> elmo, ah. which kernel is that?
[17:39] <tumbleweed> hakermania: yes, you change the changelog, Read the errors, they may be helpful
[17:39] <directhex> 2.6.24. hm
[17:40] <directhex> nigelb, yeah :/
[17:40] <directhex> elmo, and the same applies for roseapple, which built okay?
[17:40] <elmo> directhex: all the buildds are still hardy, AFAIK
[17:40] <elmo> directhex: roseapple is on a slightly newer kernel
[17:42] <directhex> elmo, do we know how much newer? we've narrowed down the "bad" commit, but the issue of what triggers the problem is still open ended, since that "bad" commit still builds fine in most places
[17:44] <elmo> directhex: how about I just upgrade vernadsky + rothera to current?
[17:44] <elmo> and I'll file an RT about getting them all up-to-date (they should have been anyway - obviously)
[17:45] <directhex> elmo, if that works, then it means sweeping the epoll problem under a rug. which is kinda good enough, but feels like a cop-out. it'd certainly mean uploading new builds to oneiric stops being painful, i guess
[17:46] <elmo> directhex: if the bug is only present in obsolete versions of the hardy kernel, I don't see that as sweeping stuff under the rug
[17:46] <directhex> elmo, try it, i guess. ping me when it's updated, and i'll request a sync of 2.10.4-3
[17:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> its probably been fixed in later kernels, is my guess
[17:46] <elmo> (by the way, by current I mean current hardy - not lucid or something)
[17:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> mhm
[17:47] <elmo> an upgrade of the buildd farm as a while to a new distribution will need a lot more coordination with the release team and such
[17:47] <directhex> looks like the builders are mostly idle, so nobody should notice a reboot
[17:54] <elmo> directhex: done
[17:54] <directhex> that was quick
[17:55] <Laney> fancy taking one offline to test-rebuild mono in its chroot? :P
[17:55] <directhex> that'd be phenomenally useful, but i don;t know if it's possible :/
[17:56] <Laney> maybe elmo is feeling benevolent
[17:57] <elmo> Laney: sorry, I really don't have time, I'm running out of time to finish what I'm working on as it is - if that's the easiest way, you could file an RT, someone should be able to do it for you on Monday
[17:57] <Laney> fair enough
[17:57] <Laney> thanks for your help this far
[17:58] <Laney> it'll be easier to try a sync of -3 at that point (but you can bet it gets picked by roseapple)
[18:00] <elmo> well
[18:00] <elmo> that's easy to fix
[18:00] <elmo> I'll put roseapple into manual
[18:01] <elmo> done - all but rothera/vernadsky are in manual
[18:01] <elmo> if you can sync it now, go ahead - we'll wait it for to start building  then I'll unmanual the others
[18:01] <Laney> erm, it's not actually uploaded to debian yet
[18:02] <elmo> well, then I'll not do that..
[18:02] <Laney> sorry
[18:26] <propman> when i enter http://launchpadlibrarian.net my browser is just pointed to https:launchpad.net.   What is the correct method to view the files at http://launchpadlibrarian.net?   thanks :)
[18:26] <jelmer> propman: there are links on launchpad.net to them
[18:27] <jelmer> propman: there is no public index or anything like that for the librarian, it's just a file store used by launchpad
[18:28] <propman> jelmer: ahhh...ok thnak
[18:28] <propman> jelmer:  ok thanks.... :)  will have to do some wading through the site itself then.   much appreciated
[18:29] <jelmer> what are you looking for specifically?
[18:29] <propman> jelmer:  older linux kernels
[18:29] <jelmer> propman: just the tarballs, or packages?
[18:30] <propman> jelmer: probably packages would be best
[18:30] <jelmer> for the tarballs, kernel.org is probably a better place to look. For Ubuntu, see e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/linux
[18:31] <propman> jelmer:  ahhh...ok.   when googling, one of the references for them was launchpad but will check out the two you have sent too.   thanks again. :)
[19:46] <hakermania> Hello, I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/671871/ And I cannot understand what's the solution of it, maybe because of the fact tham I'm not native english
[20:01] <hakermania> Will it disappear if I upload the 2.2 version or a ~ppa2?
[20:03] <tumbleweed> hakermania: it's saying you changed wallch_2.1.orig.tar.gz. You can't do that. Use quilt or make the package native
[20:03] <directhex> elmo, does your backlog tell you which version of the kernel package you updated from?
[20:04] <elmo> directhex: no, sorry - it was a 2.6.24-27, but I don't know which version
[20:05] <directhex> -i386?
[20:05] <directhex> wait, is that a type of kernel build in ubuntu? i lost track
[20:07] <elmo> Linux vernadsky 2.6.24-29-server #1 SMP Wed Aug 10 17:10:21 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[20:07] <elmo> directhex: ^-- it use to be -27- - it's a component of the version number
[20:07] <hakermania> tumbleweed, Ok, I got it. Can't I upload a 2.2 version with different orig.tar.gz?
[20:08] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I will add a wallch PPA to the Wallch Team in lp now, it will be V2.1. Should I include the ~ppa1 or not?
[20:09] <directhex> elmo, okay, thanks. i'll try an original 8.04 iso in a VM, and update to -27-server
[20:10] <tumbleweed> hakermania: whatever you want, but I generally recommend using lower versions in PPAs than in ubuntu. It's up to you how you want to version it, think it through
[20:14] <maktrix> merged friends account with mine, how to split?
[20:17] <directhex> if memory serves, hardy shipped with -23 or -24
[20:19] <arune> hello, Im a launchpad newbie, currently I have launchpad to build binaries for a server software in a homeautomation project in a ppa
[20:20] <arune> Id like to know if there is some easy way to add libv8-<IP_ADDRESS> to my ppa so that the users of my ppa can upgrade that since my homeautomation software depends on that version
[20:22] <arune> (or any way other than uploading the source package for libv8 and having launchpad build it for me)
[20:24] <hakermania> tumbleweed, version 2.1 will be sent to revu for review soon. It fixes the things you commented about and plus some bugs
[20:24] <hakermania> So the version will be the same
[20:25] <hakermania> Nice, it build fine :)
[20:26] <hakermania> I need some guidance here. I need to provide ppas both for gnome 2 and gnome 3, what should I do? Create different ones?
[20:27] <maxb> maktrix: Oh dear. Not possible.  Your options are either separate PPAs, or ditinguishing the packages by different package names in a single PPA.
[20:31] <arune> anyone? Im googling like crazy :)
[20:33] <arune> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Copying ?
[20:36] <hakermania> maxb, so I could name the one ~GNOME2ppa and the other ~GNOME3ppa? Also how can I overcome the orig.tar.gz error? By uploading newer version of the posted one?
[20:42] <maxb> hakermania: No. You'd have to change the package *name*, not the version
[20:43] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/daily/+build/2735315 appears to be stuck. Could someone stab karkalla?
[20:43] <maxb> Or I guess the no-output timeout will stab it eventually
[20:44] <maxb> huh,
[20:44] <maxb> Apparently it's not stuck, just going insanely slowly
[20:46] <hakermania> maxb, for example I tried uploading the ~ppa2 after ~ppa1 (which are different names actually) and I got the orig.tar.gz error :/
[20:46] <maxb> So don't change the contents of the .orig.tar.gz
[20:50] <hakermania> maxb, how so? I made a little change of a file, and then I created again a tar.gz, run again dh_make which made the new orig.tar.gz...A little change requires new orig.tar.gz file
[20:52] <tumbleweed> hakermania: it doesn't require a new .orig.tar.gz, don't re-run dh_make
[20:53] <hakermania> tumbleweed, then where does the change is saved?
[20:53] <tumbleweed> hakermania: preferably as a quilt patch. Have you read the ubuntu packaging guide?
[20:57] <hakermania> tumbleweed, yes I had once upon a time.
[20:57] <tumbleweed> read the section on patch systems
[20:58] <hakermania> tumbleweed, doing so
[21:05] <maxb> hakermania: What are you packaging, anyway?
[21:06] <maxb> And why are you re-running dh_make? It's a one-time getting-started tool
[21:09] <hakermania> maxb, I am packaging my app, wallch. And I don't know why but I am constantly ruunning dh_make from the beggining. Ok, now I learned about the patch-system, but I still not get how the changes of the patch will be included to the new uploaded ppa
[21:09] <tumbleweed> hakermania: I thought your app was Qt. Why does it care abuot gnome2 vs gnome3?
[21:11] <hakermania> tumbleweed, Qt cannot change desktop background hehe, we call gconftool on gnome 2 and gsettings on gnome 3
[21:11] <hakermania> plus some small changes to make parts of the code work
[21:12] <tumbleweed> hakermania: that sounds like something you rather want to detect at runtime (and maybe use their C/C++ APIs)
[21:15] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I was advised to make an app for GNOME 2.X and on for GNOME 3.X :)
[21:15] <hakermania> and sounds rational
[21:18] <hakermania> can someone explain me how does the made patch is uploaded? Does lp unpacks the orig.tar.gz and applies it, then rebuilds?
[21:18] <hakermania> And when you have uploaded a ppa to lp, then you make only patches that apply to the initial one?
[21:21] <directhex> elmo, fun times - still can't reproduce the issue in a VM, with hardy/2.6.24-27-server :p
[21:28] <maxb> hakermania: So.. err, you're making changes to your upstream app? Not to the packaging thereof?
[21:29] <maxb> In that case, you generally would *not* use a patch system, but you *would* change the upstream version number.
[21:29] <maxb> However, I agree with tumbleweed, it seems needlessly overcomplex to ship two versions of the app just to call different command line tools
[21:31] <hakermania> maxb, there are some changes as well to the versions, not only a command-line tool. Explain me a bit, when should I use the patch system, how would i upload with it and when should I change the upstream version number (I do the latter when I do minor changes to the proram)
[21:33] <maxb> A patch system is relevant for storing a set of separate changes which need to be applied to the upstream source code, for the package
[21:34] <hakermania> maxb, and why not making these changes, re-packaging and changing the upstream version?
[21:35] <tumbleweed> hakermania: changing the upstream version every time you fix a typo means releasing a lot of upstream versions :) which is why you can use quilt to make minor changes on top of the last released version (or a native package to ignore all of this)
[21:37] <hakermania> tumblweweed, Ok, let's say that I have my source, uploaded to lp, using the ppa system. Then I realize that something is wrong and I make a patch.  Uploading the new .changes file isn't enough?
[21:39] <hakermania> Also does this .changes file can be uploaded to revu as well, for a review?
[21:40] <lifeless> hakermania: uploading a new changes file for a new version is enough
[21:40] <lifeless> hakermania: but a common mistake new packagers make is thinking they can use the same version twice: you can't
[21:41] <hakermania> lifeless, so only a 2.1 version, if a change made you should go to 2.2, is this what you mean?
[21:41] <lifeless> hakermania: each version has to be totally unique - its a globally federated database, so once a version is out there, its no longer changable
[21:41] <lifeless> hakermania: yes or 2.1.1 or 2.1build1
[21:42] <maxb> Although a buildN suffix conventionally denotes a rebuild with no changes
[21:44] <hakermania> Question, if I make a patch, will lp rebuild it and make new DEBS?
[21:47] <hakermania> Also I uploaded the GNOME 2 package with the name of ~GNOME2ppa1 instead of ~ppa1 and it was rejected because of the orig.tar.gz file, again!
[21:47] <hakermania> I don't get it :(
[22:38] <hakermania> tumbleweed, for example how do I make a new version of the wallch_2.1-0ubuntu1~ppa1? Just make the patch, run debuild -S and reupload the .changes?
[22:57] <maxb> What on earth?
[22:58] <maxb> I just had a recipe build *source* build fail on lucid natty and oneiric
[22:58] <maxb> with a BzrCheckError
[22:58] <maxb> But exactly the same recipe for maverick succeeeded?!
[22:59] <maxb> Also, why are recipe source builds being conducted with: bzr 2.0.4 on python 2.5.2 (Linux-2.6.24-29-xen-x86_64-with-debian-lenny-sid)
[22:59] <maxb> ?!
[23:00] <hakermania> maxb, interesting facts :P
[23:08] <maxb> Looks like some builders are doing something very odd
[23:09] <maxb> Re-requesting new recipe builds has resulted in lucid succeeding
[23:09] <poolie> hi maxb
[23:10] <maxb> Hi poolie
[23:10] <maxb> Amusing conundrum I've found, isn't it :-)
[23:11] <poolie> hm
[23:11] <poolie> they consistently fail first and then succeed?
[23:12] <maxb> No, it seems to be random
[23:14] <poolie> that is strange
[23:14] <poolie> what does the failure look like, when it happens?
[23:16] <maxb> https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/daily/+recipebuild/74703/+files/buildlog.txt.gz
[23:16] <maxb> There's a failing buildlog
[23:17] <maxb> Now, I know the dulwich branches have some dodgy text revisions in them, so the failure doesn't surprise me all that much
[23:17] <maxb> Apparently bzr has grown better able to handle missing records in the standard fetch at some point
[23:18] <maxb> But something deeply odd is happening, that there's still a copy of bzr 2.0.4 anywhere in the Launchpad infrastructure at this point
[23:20] <maxb> jelmer: Hi, do you happen to know where the copy of bzr that Launchpad uses during source package recipe builds is stored?
[23:20] <poolie> inside the builder image, i suppose, but i'm surprised by it too
[23:20] <maxb> It's not in the chroot tarball
[23:20] <poolie> i do know some of that stuff is build independently of launchpad itself
[23:21] <maxb> I'm also rather confused by bzr claiming it's running on debian-lenny-sid
[23:22] <wgrant> maxb: It was apparently decided to run bzr and bzr-builder outside the chroot.
[23:22] <wgrant> maxb: Which makes every rather disastrously confusing and awkward to debug and upgrade.
[23:22] <wgrant> maxb: (the initial implementation just used them as normal deps within the chroot)
[23:22] <wgrant> Let me find the relevant bzr package...
[23:23] <maxb> Well, at least that explains why the behaviour is varying - presumably it just depends on which builder ends up doing the build
[23:24] <wgrant> Yes, and we and LOSAs have no visibility into the builders :/
[23:25] <wgrant> Hmm.
[23:25] <wgrant> hardy-cat-buildd has 2.3.1-0.0.ISPATCHED.8.04.1, lucid-cat-buildd has 2.4.0~beta4-1ubuntu1~1.IS.10.04
[23:26] <wgrant> If there's anything other than those two around, something is pretty strange.
[23:26] <wgrant> But the buildds are *very* strange, so that would not be completely surprising.
[23:26] <maxb> Apparently these buildds are running lenny-vintage Debian testing!
[23:26] <wgrant> That seems less than entirely plausible, but let's see.
[23:27] <daker> hello
[23:27] <daker>  i have created https://launchpad.net/slumber & i have checked "I do not want to maintain this project" by mistake, so i can't control it anymore, any LP admin to help me pls :)
[23:27] <wgrant> daker: Let me reassign it back to you.
[23:28] <daker> woo thanks :)
[23:28] <wgrant> daker: It's yours again.
[23:28] <daker> yes thanks wgrant
[23:29] <wgrant> maxb: That log is rather worrying.
[23:29] <maxb> I thought so
[23:29] <wgrant> maxb: Have you seen any other similarly ancient builders?
[23:29] <wgrant> I would get IS to check, but all the APAC people are probably still flying or asleep.
[23:29] <wgrant> So that will have to wait until Europe, probably.
[23:29] <maxb> I've never seen this issue until now, but then, it's only shown up because the dulwich branches are a bit screwy
[23:30] <wgrant> The buildds might eventually be under LOSA maintenance, but until then everything around them is very awkward.
[23:30] <wgrant> This wasn't so important when just about everything ran inside the chroot.
[23:30] <maxb> Speaking of builders, karkalla is now nearly 4 hours in to a build which took between 5 and 8 minutes on other builders, for other series!
[23:31] <wgrant> But then they moved bzr and bzr-builder outside it, so the host environment is important :/
[23:31] <wgrant> I haven't done my morning sweep of the builders yet :) Killing.
[23:31] <wgrant> And killed.
[23:32] <maxb> I'm rather curious how it managed to take so long over a relatively tiny build
[23:32] <wgrant> karkalla is not known to be as flaky and hangy as, say, bohrium, but it's not known to be perfect either.
[23:33] <mwhudson> wgrant: is "chroot problems" being reported and looking like double frees inside bunzip2 a sign of a flaky builder?
[23:34] <wgrant> mwhudson: shipova?
[23:34] <wgrant> Or another builder?
[23:35] <mwhudson> wgrant: i don't actually remember, sorry
[23:35]  * mwhudson pokes at email
[23:35] <mwhudson> wgrant: shipova, yes
[23:35] <mwhudson> it was about a week ago, i guess
[23:36] <wgrant> mwhudson: It probably has dodgy RAM, and was disabled for that for a few days. It apparently got reenabled a while ago, but has been pretty severely hung over the weekend... I will set it to manual
[23:37] <mwhudson> wgrant: actually, friday at 05:10 my time it seems
[23:37] <mwhudson> i retried the build, so the log is gone of course
[23:37] <wgrant> (if you look at its history at https://launchpad.net/builders/shipova/+history, go back to the 19th and you'll see a... few failed builds)
[23:37] <mwhudson> wgrant: heh
[23:38] <mwhudson> glad it was a known issue anyway
[23:38] <elmo> the chroot problem thing is sudo
[23:39] <wgrant> elmo: Sure? That's the only builder I've seen it on, and sudo doesn't normally crash with a double free on a parse error, IME...
[23:39] <wgrant> Or was shipova the only one with the bad config?
[23:39] <wgrant> It's also hung again.
[23:39] <wgrant> So I'm suspicious of it anyway.
[23:39] <elmo> the double free on parse error is a red herring
[23:39] <elmo> it's the same sudo thing as back in march
[23:40] <elmo> lamont should have fixed it last week
[23:40] <wgrant> It has been working for three days, yes.
[23:40] <elmo> in any event, I hope you're going to file an RT or in some way let us know what's been done
[23:40] <wgrant> My faith in sudo is hugely increased...
[23:40] <wgrant> I was going to chat to lamont when he reappears.
[23:40] <wgrant> As everyone else seems to be scared of the buildds.
[23:40] <wgrant> And/or not know exactly what horrors have been perpetrated against them lately.
[23:41] <elmo> wgrant: please file an RT - you're only furthering the SPOF of lamont otherwise
[23:42] <wgrant> True, true.
[23:52] <daker> i have another question: why ppas can't be deleted for ever ? ex : https://launchpad.net/~daker/+archive/ppa
[23:52] <lifeless> they can be disabled forever
[23:53] <lifeless> but deleting entirely would remove all knowledge of their existence
[23:53] <lifeless> this would then allow you to create a new one with the same name
[23:53] <daker> even if it's empty ?
[23:53] <lifeless> and that would lead to breaking the version information constraints that prevent apt and dpkg on users machines being confused
[23:54] <daker> i see


[00:28] <rava> greetings
[00:28] <rava>  anyone know why ec2-run-instances seems to break a security group with
[00:28] <rava>        spaces in it into an array?
[00:29] <rava>  i'm passing the value in from a shell script with "my sec group"
[00:29] <rava> doing it manually via the commandline seems to work, but wrapped in a var in a bash script and ec2-run-instances seems to think it should eval each word in the string as a seperate sec grp
[00:33] <erichammond> rava: Sounds like you might have a shell argument expansion issue with your command line.  Perhaps not using the right quoting?
[00:34] <erichammond> rava: Or there could be a bug in ec2-run-instances command itself.
[00:34] <erichammond> oh, it works on your manual command line, so it's probably a quoting problem in your bash script.
[00:35] <rava> thought as much
[00:36] <erichammond> If you can pastebin your shell script, somebody might be able to glance at it and give feedback.  Make sure you remove any private info.
[00:36] <rava> sure thing, one sec while i clean it up :)
[00:40] <rava> erichammond: http://pastebin.com/tAAkukmE
[00:45] <erichammond> rava: Try sticking the word "eval" in front of "ec2-run-instances"
[00:46] <erichammond> rava: ec2_out=$(eval ec2-run-instances ...
[00:47] <rava> that worked, i keep forgetting about eval...
[00:48] <rava> thanks!
[00:58] <theTrav> erichammond: thanks, I figured that might be the case... It kind of implies that there's no neat/easy migration between the two platforms
[00:59] <theTrav> except maybe making an image on them that runs a virtualbox image :P
[01:02] <erichammond> theTrav: If you are building custom images, then you can easily migrate.
[01:25] <erichammond> theTrav: Start with the dowloadable image, customize it, and use it for both EC2 and UEC.
[01:25] <erichammond> theTrav: You can also snapshot a running instance on EC2 and build the UEC image from a copy of that file system.
[01:26] <erichammond> theTrav: In many cases I recommend starting with a standard base image and applying software installation/configuration at run time.
[01:28] <erichammond> theTrav: Then you're not copying big, complicated images around, but just small, clear startup instructions.
[01:55] <theTrav> erichammond: yeah, one of the guys here recommended I look into Chef
[01:56] <theTrav> there's a pretty nasty closed source dependency on the project though with a fairly horrendous installer, so I'm not sure how well I could script that
[01:56] <erichammond> theTrav: Sure, those configuration management frameworks are used by many, but simple shell scripts are often all you need, especially if you are configuring from a known starting point (base image).
[01:57] <erichammond> theTrav: The installer would end up creating files.  Perhaps you can tar up the results and install them on new systems.
[15:40] <TeTeT> Daviey: would you know if there's something like MAX_MEM akin to MAX_CORES where a admin can oversubscribe memory on a NC for UEC?
[15:41] <TeTeT> Daviey: question just came up in our UEC class
[15:46] <Daviey> yes!
[15:46] <Daviey> ih.. no
[15:47] <Daviey> TeteT. sadly we cannot currently oversubscribe memory.
[15:47] <TeTeT> Daviey: thanks for the quick answer!
[15:48] <Daviey> UEC.. uses virt.. not containers.. whuch wiuld allow it
[15:49] <Daviey> wow... typo fail.
[15:51] <TeTeT> kvm with ksm should be possible to oversubscribe memory, not?
[15:51] <TeTeT> other question is: can there be multiple sc in a cluster? I guess not, but not sure
[16:15] <elasticdog> if I changed a CC's IP address and want to make sure it gets re-registered, what do I do?
[16:15] <elasticdog> "euca_conf --list-clusters" shows the old IP address
[16:17] <elasticdog> /var/log/eucalyptus/registration.log seems to indicate that it's "Calling cluster cluster01 ..." at the correct (new) IP address
[16:24] <elasticdog> looks like manually deregistering/registering works for the CC/SC...now to fix the NC's
[16:30] <Kiall> any of the UEC devs about? (or anyone familiar with patching/compiling euca on ubuntu...) - I keep running into some issues when building saying patches dont remove cleanly...
[16:31] <Kiall> elasticdog, you might want to test the hell out of it once you're done :) I've never managed to re-number UEC components without hassles..
[16:55] <elasticdog> Kiall: thanks, I will...the whole process seems a bit wonky
[16:55] <Kiall> i don't think your really meant to re-number things ;)
[16:56] <elasticdog> Kiall: my whole install is a bit of a mess...basically I wanted to change to static IPs after everything was installed
[16:56] <Kiall> yup .. that would do it ;)
[16:59] <elasticdog> it's also compounded by installing on new mac mini's, and the ethernet driver isn't in 10.04 by default, so I used a USB->Ethernet adapter to install, then compiled the proper kernel module
[17:39] <ubuntucloud254> login


[00:00] <phunyguy> IdleOne: :(  You need a PM session?
[00:00] <IdleOne> err less talkative
[00:00] <IdleOne> phunyguy: nah I'm good, but thanks for the offer :)
[00:00] <phunyguy> always on the table/.
[00:02] <basketball> phunyguy:  i always appreciate help
[00:02] <basketball> unless it is from my grandma
[02:43] <harris_> is anyone here a moderator in askubuntu
[02:44] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/contact should help, i would imagine
[02:45] <harris_> i got banned from answering because i posted my comment as an answer because i dont have 50 reputation points to make a comment
[02:45] <holstein> it happens. gotta read and follwow rules, typically
[02:46] <harris_> how do they want you to help people with making there a bar to even post a comment
[02:47] <holstein> harris_: the contact should be at the link i gave.. you can ask them whatever you like..
[03:54] <harris_> holstein,  do you know anyone who is a modorator in ask ubuntu
[03:57] <IdleOne> harris_: http://askubuntu.com/contact that is how you contact them
[03:58] <rww> does that contact stackexchange or moderators?
[03:58] <harris_> IdleOne,  i did already
[03:58] <IdleOne> now wait for a response
[03:58] <harris_> ok IdleOne
[04:19] <jose> rww<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:19] <rww> jose: i expect that contacts stackexchange, not moderators ;)
[04:20] <jose> well, the site is stackoverflow, which should have another email address/contact form
[05:15] <Flannel> cprofitt: I know that, but if we're up against "the IRCC is out of touch and ineffective", maybe doing something of marginal benefit isn't the best first course of action.
[06:50] <Tm_T> Flannel: in there I see a problem
[06:50] <Tm_T> Flannel: the whole notion that IRCC need to do something to fix the team is something I don't undestand, IRCC cannot fix the team (alone)
[06:51] <Tm_T> things has to happen with the team, in the team, IRCC is part of the team but only part
[06:52] <Flannel> Tm_T: Well, that gets into another comment I've made before, and haven't rehashed this time around, which is the team needs to decide whether the IRCC is leadership, or just an appeals board.  It's currently functioning as leadership, which is something I never really thought the operators team needed.  But it was installed back when everyone and their mother was having a leadership council forced upon them.
[06:53] <Tm_T> Flannel: I think it could be "leadership" in a sense that it helps to find ways to work, but not as "only ones that are capable of doing decisions"
[06:54] <Flannel> Whether we have that everyone-is-a-leader mentality still, and can get back to governing via consensus without leadership making decisions, is something I haven't had a chance to think on much.
[06:55] <Tm_T> leadership doesn't mean being only one with right to do and decide, this is something I don't understand really why people take it like that
[06:56] <Flannel> No, but when there's a council that makes decisions, you go and propose things to them, that's pretty well established.
[06:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:57] <Flannel> There's been plenty of instances where people have said "Hey, I'd like to go do this" and then were told "the IRCC will handle it".  Whether that would happen currently, who knows, but it's happened in the past.
[06:58] <Tm_T> Flannel: indeed, that's something we can discuss, shades of grey, not black and white (:
[06:59] <Tm_T> what's been worrying me in many places around Ubuntu community, not just irc team, has been this leaving responsibility of doing to few and selected and then complaining that nothing is getting done
[07:00] <Tm_T> I don't like the loss of the joy of doing together I see around
[07:00] <Flannel> Tm_T: I don't think the responsibility of "doing" is left to them, just the responsibility.  It's a leaders responsibility to drum up support for something and get it done, regardless of whether they do it personally.
[07:01] <Unit193> 1. Cloaks  2. IRC membership  3. Appeals  4. ???
[07:01] <Flannel> I'd get rid of #2, personally.
[07:01] <Tm_T> Flannel: I kinda agree there, but I would also love to see community as a whole taking care of things they find important
[07:02] <Flannel> We have membership boards, IRCC can provide an official endorsement of people based on their IRC activities, membership boards can take that into account, while reviewing everything else.
[07:02] <Unit193> Flannel: So, just the RMBs? :/
[07:02] <Flannel> Unit193: yes.
[07:02] <Unit193> I don't personally like that, but OK.
[07:02] <Flannel> That'd provide consistency between membership entities.
[07:03] <Tm_T> membership thing, I don't care which board makes the decision, as long as there's some to make
[07:03] <Flannel> But, that's always been my beef with *all* non-regional membership boards.
[07:03] <Unit193> Forums, DMB, and I think a couple others (askubuntu? Loco?) can approve them and they are better suited to know the user applying.
[07:03] <Flannel> that's non-"regional membership boards" not "non-regional" membership boards.
[07:04] <Flannel> Unit193: right, and I disapprove of that too.  Those entities should be able to make an informed endorsement, which is taken into consideration by the RMBs
[07:07] <Flannel> Unit193: Back to your original question: POC for cloaks/network issues/etc, appeals/dispute resolution, operator approval (and care and feeding of the process), being responsible for making sure IRC meetings happen, and that appropriate things are brought up at those IRC meetings (this is an "Operator Team meeting" not an "IRCC meeting", the meeting is for the team, not for the IRCC, theyre just the stewards).
[07:07] <Flannel> And then a POC for CC interactions.
[07:07] <Flannel> (Much of this is straight out of the charter)
[07:08] <Unit193> (I know it's an IRC meeting.)  Right, button clickers, but otherwise more up to everyone (Well, not FN POC, but meh.)
[07:08] <Flannel> Which, I guess touches on basically everything I was planning on writing about in the future when I had time!
[07:08]  * Flannel dusts off his hands.
[07:09] <Unit193> Not really a question, but more like what they would be "cut back" to, the question marks were more fill in the blanks.
[07:09] <Flannel> Unit193: No, we call it the IRCC meeting, it's a meeting for the IRCC to discuss and decide stuff currently.  This is different than an IRC Team meeting, where the IRC Team is the primary discussor, and the IRCC is just there to make sure an agenda is in order, and things move smoothly, etc.
[07:10] <Flannel> I'm not sure what a "button clicker" is referring to in this context.
[07:11] <Tm_T> Flannel: I remember it used to be IRC team meeting
[07:11] <Tm_T> I've always considered it as IRC team meeting
[07:11] <Unit193> ^
[07:12] <Flannel> Tm_T: Right.  But that's changed along the way.
[07:12] <Unit193> Eh, mainly because no issues to talk about and nobody shows up.
[07:12] <Flannel> Unit193: Maybe that's indicative of something else.
[07:16] <Flannel> None of this got this way overnight, and it's going to take a lot of effort, and more importantly tenacity, to get it back to whereever we're taking it.  Moods and opinions change slowly, habits doubly so.
[07:17] <Tm_T> indeed
[07:38] <harris_> gtg
[09:11] <AlanBell> Flannel: so for #2 membership, I think we have done that twice in the last two years (though I might be out by one)
[09:12] <AlanBell> Flannel: we also have not called it the IRCC meeting much over the last couple of years (though it is called that on the calendar)
[09:13] <AlanBell> it has been introduced as the IRC team meeting, and I have always said everyone is welcome on every meeting announcement I have sent out
[09:13] <AlanBell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2013-September/001615.html < like that for example
[09:15] <AlanBell> I have no clue why people think it is an IRCC only meeting :/ how has that gone wrong?
[09:18] <Sompane> good day all
[09:18] <Sompane> i have a fat problem on my hands,
[09:19] <Sompane> I installed Ubuntu 8.04 (recently) and formatted the entire laptop in the process.
[09:19] <Sompane> Now i'm unable to install anything else on it. It doesn't even boot from Disc, of Flash Drive
[09:20] <AlanBell> hi Sompane, 8.04 is kinda old :/
[09:20] <AlanBell> like 6 years old
[09:21] <AlanBell> any particular reason for not choosing a recent version of Ubuntu (and really the #ubuntu channel is a better place to ask than here)
[09:22] <Sompane> it was foolish of me really. I was waiting for the download of 12.04 LTS to finish. Which is also taking a loooong time.
[09:22] <Sompane> i found the 8.04 disc lying around and i just shoved it in :(
[09:23] <Sompane> thanks, I'll make my way over to the #ubuntu channel
[09:25] <IdleOne> 8.04 is no longer supported, it is EOL
[09:25] <AlanBell> was a nice release though, I liked Hardy :)
[09:26] <IdleOne> it was
[09:26] <AlanBell> best tshirt evar
[09:27] <IdleOne> AlanBell: about the meetings being called IRCC meeting on the calendar, jos e can easily change that
[09:27] <AlanBell> yeah, that is a specific and actionable change \o/ I like those
[09:27] <IdleOne> I think that might have been my clerical error actually
[09:28] <AlanBell> could have been that way forever, I haven't really been that concerned about the specific meeting title, but I have always tried to emphasise that it is inclusive
[09:39] <Unit193> I never thought it was IRCC...
[09:44] <AlanBell> I have to say I am a bit confused by several of the things that Flannel mentioned
[09:45] <Tm_T> AlanBell: confusion is good, we can brainwash you more easily then
[09:45] <Tm_T> whoops
[09:45]  * Tm_T hides
[09:45] <AlanBell> yeah, I think it is about time to pop my brain out for a quick wash :)
[09:46] <AlanBell> 06:57 < Flannel> There's been plenty of instances where people have said "Hey, I'd like to go do this" and then were told "the IRCC will handle it".  Whether that would happen currently,  who knows, but it's happened in the past.
[09:46] <AlanBell> what is that about?
[09:46] <AlanBell> who wanted to do what, who told them the IRCC would handle it?
[09:46] <AlanBell> did anyone tell the IRCC they would handle whatever it was?
[09:47]  * MooDoo grabs the popcorn and watches
[09:47] <AlanBell> nom nom
[09:47] <AlanBell> anyhow, I should close this window and do some work :) laters all o/
[09:52] <MooDoo> later
[12:30] <hggdh> I do not think it would work, at least not with some major changes to RMB
[12:41] <AlanBell> I don't get how it is an issue at all
[12:41] <AlanBell> the only membership we have done in the last two years is m4v (I was off by one)
[12:54] <hggdh> neither do I.
[14:59] <cprofitt> Flannel: I see the ircc as being similar to the LoCo Council...
[15:00] <cprofitt> not saying I am correct in that... but that was what I had in my brain pan
[15:16] <cprofitt> hey Darkwing
[15:16] <Darkwing> Hey cprofitt! :)
[15:16] <Darkwing> Been a while
[15:25] <basketballllll> rww: are you online
[15:55] <aquarius> I don't know who owns whichever bot controls the topics of UDS-related channels, but the topics are all related to the previous UDS in November, rather than the one that's going on now
[16:02] <IdleOne> aquarius: I poked a couple of people about it. hopefully it will get corrected soon. thanks for the info
[16:03] <aquarius> cheers :)
[20:54] <bkerensa> AlanBell: probably an oversight but I still have ops in #Ubuntu
[20:54] <bkerensa> :)
[20:54] <bkerensa> >chanserv< op #Ubuntu bkerensa
[20:54] <bkerensa> [13:53]  * ChanServ gives channel operator status to bkerensa
[20:55] <bkerensa> I should not have those privileges anymore :) the only reason I noticed is I was in the ops !help message
[23:21] <ClumsyFairyQueen> can someone please kick the troll in #ubuntu - thanks


[10:10] <caribou> congrats sforshee; googling "edgerouter lite ipv6" brings up your blog posts as the first hist !
[14:27] <mitya57> Hi, can anybody please look at bug 1215411? I have attached a draft patch here, though this is my first experience with kernel packaging so it needs some reviewing/testing.
[14:27] <ubot5`> bug 1215411 in linux (Ubuntu Zesty) "libcpupower.so is not installed from linux-tools (saucy)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215411


[20:37] <cobradabest> Hey, I want to know if it's possible to test partial translations of Ubuntu? I want to try out what I've translated of Ubuntu in Scots so far.


[12:20] <highvoltage> ok, so where were we.
[01:56] <axl000> i upgrade dapper, but the kernel is still 2.6.15-19, how can i sitch to 15-21 (he last kernel i guest)?  sorry for my bad english
[08:42] <cbx33> mornin
[08:42] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja
[08:42] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #kubuntu (1d 10h 44m 37s) #edubuntu (1d 10h 44m 37s) #ubuntu (1d 10h 44m 37s)
[08:42] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[08:42] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu #ubuntu
[08:55] <Ekushey> cool bot! who owns it?
[09:34] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: morning
[09:34] <edubuntugirl> salut, highvoltage!
[09:41] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[10:00] <highvoltage> hi cbx33, juliux
[10:00] <juliux> morning highvoltage
[10:17] <highvoltage> bbl
[12:44] <mwright1night> hello
[03:58] <MagnusGoldstein> evening
[04:22] <MagnusGoldstein> quiet 2nite
[04:23] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:23] <jsgotangco> its saturday :)
[04:24] <nomad_> indeed it is
[04:28] <highvoltage> that was a quick nap
[04:28] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:29] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco
[04:30] <cbx33> good afternoon all
[04:32] <cbx33> wow quiet in here today
[04:33] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja
[04:33] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #kubuntu (1d 18h 36m 17s) #edubuntu (1d 18h 36m 17s) #ubuntu (1d 18h 36m 17s)
[04:33] <cbx33> !seen ogra
[04:33] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu (1h 21m 40s) #ubuntu (1h 21m 40s)
[04:34] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[04:34] <ubotu> highvoltage is currently on #edubuntu (3h 46m 29s) #ubuntu (3h 46m 29s)
[04:34] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:34] <Bluekuja> peteeeee
[04:34] <Bluekuja> :)
[04:35] <highvoltage> yeah, quite quiet
[04:35] <Bluekuja> hi highvoltage
[04:35] <Bluekuja> :)
[04:35] <Bluekuja> pete yesterday night i was away
[04:36] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja
[04:36] <Bluekuja> cbx33: gone?
[04:36] <cbx33> hi all
[04:36] <Bluekuja> hey pete
[04:36] <Bluekuja> i was away at a film festival
[04:36] <cbx33> howz it going Anrea
[04:36] <Bluekuja> hehe
[04:36] <cbx33> ahh excellent
[04:36] <cbx33> see anything good?
[04:36] <Bluekuja> really good im a little less tired
[04:37] <Bluekuja> i went to bed at 4:00 o 'clock
[04:37] <cbx33> heheh
[04:37] <Bluekuja> :)
[04:37] <Bluekuja> have you seen last edit?
[04:37] <cbx33> yes
[04:37] <Bluekuja> nice isnt it?
[04:37] <cbx33> indeed it is
[04:37] <Bluekuja> pete
[04:37] <cbx33> yes
[04:39] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: when you're free join us in the other channel, you can suggest us something
[04:40] <jsgotangco> what channel?
[04:40] <Bluekuja> #edubuntu-doc
[04:40] <cbx33> #edubuntu-doc
[04:40] <jsgotangco> where is the current work in progress?
[04:40] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy#preview
[04:40] <Bluekuja> school advocacy manifesto
[04:40] <Bluekuja> join us jsgotangco
[05:33] <nomad> Anyone on here? I need a little help
[05:33] <Bluekuja> tell us nomad
[05:33] <nomad> Can't get any sound off the internet, whether it be a flash game or a music video online...
[05:34] <Bluekuja> mmm... i have seen a bug regarding it in launchpad
[05:34] <Bluekuja> wait
[05:34] <Bluekuja> i check it out
[05:34] <nomad> I however can get audio offline through rythmbox and kaffiene, so forth
[05:34] <nomad> ok
[05:35] <Bluekuja> cbx33: have you seen that bug too?
[05:35] <cbx33> no never
[05:36] <Bluekuja> okie, let me search it
[05:37] <Bluekuja> nomad: release? browser type and browser version?
[05:40] <nomad> Breezy Badger, firefox, let me check the version
[05:40] <nomad> version 1.0.8
[05:40] <Bluekuja> what about update it?
[05:41] <nomad> How would I go about that? install it through synaptic?
[05:41] <Bluekuja> you can easily compile it
[05:41] <Bluekuja> i provide you a link
[05:41] <Sonofaq> hiya bluekuj
[05:42] <nomad> alright
[05:42] <Bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:42] <Bluekuja> follow commands
[05:42] <Bluekuja> you'll able to update it easily
[05:42] <Bluekuja> hi sonofaw :)
[05:42] <Bluekuja> *aq
[05:42] <Bluekuja> ^^
[05:42] <cbx33> bbl
[05:43] <Bluekuja> k
[05:43] <Sonofaq> i left my dead harddrive at mine and petes schol so im runnning on an old TIME machine on a live cd
[05:43] <Bluekuja> lol
[05:43] <Bluekuja> nice
[05:43] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:43] <Sonofaq> it run better than any windows that ever went on it
[05:43] <cbx33> of course it does
[05:43] <cbx33> it's on linux
[05:44] <Bluekuja> when pete returns we will restart talking
[05:44] <Sonofaq> hes here
[05:44] <Bluekuja> i go to drink something
[05:44] <Bluekuja> he said bbl
[05:44] <Sonofaq> ok
[05:44] <Bluekuja> brb 10 min
[05:44] <Sonofaq> ok
[05:45] <cbx33> i'm popping out now
[05:45] <cbx33> back in about 30-45 mins i would think
[05:46] <Sonofaq> ok
[05:46] <cbx33> havea good think guys - I'll be waiting to hear your input when ia get back
[05:46] <Sonofaq> where you going
[05:46] <cbx33> visit sick guinea pig
[05:46] <Sonofaq> awww
[05:46] <Sonofaq> good luck
[05:46] <Yagisan> !seen HedgeMage
[05:46] <ubotu> hedgemage <i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 1d 17h 59m 7s ago, saying: 's/da/the'.
[05:47] <Yagisan> G'day all
[05:49] <Bluekuja> hi yagisan :)
[05:54] <Sonofaq> bluekuja i like the changes  to the wiki
[05:55] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:55] <Bluekuja> now it looks  very nice
[05:55] <Sonofaq> especily the contents bar
[05:55] <Bluekuja> yep thats very nice
[05:55] <Bluekuja> it gives a artist look to the wiki hehe
[05:55] <Sonofaq> hehe plus it makes it easy to skip though
[05:56] <Bluekuja> yep
[05:56] <Sonofaq> but what do we need to add?
[05:56] <Bluekuja> more links in usefull links paragraph
[05:56] <Bluekuja> and more content
[05:57] <Bluekuja> then when we have finished
[05:57] <Yagisan> bbiab. doing funky stuff to grub
[05:57] <Sonofaq> yeah like the packages for chools in edubunutu
[05:57] <Bluekuja> yep
[05:57] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:58] <Sonofaq> i will start to work on that as soon as  have a harddrive from schoo back
[05:59] <Bluekuja> perfect
[06:00] <nomad> Bluekuja: I followed all the directions and installed the latest firefox. However, when I try to start it, it gives me "failed to execute child process Firefox: permission denied"
[06:00] <Bluekuja> just give permissions to firefox folder
[06:00] <Bluekuja> thats a permission problem
[06:00] <Bluekuja> just chmod
[06:00] <nomad> ?
[06:00] <nomad> Confused, chmod?
[06:01] <Sonofaq> thats the command
[06:01] <nomad> I know, but I don't know what to type other than that.
[06:01] <Bluekuja> chmod 775 or 777
[06:01] <Bluekuja> chmod 777 /home/nomad/folder
[06:01] <Sonofaq> yeah i cant remeber the number codes
[06:02] <Bluekuja> sudo before it
[06:02] <Sonofaq> which operating sys is nomad running
[06:02] <Bluekuja> or su root if you have root available
[06:02] <Bluekuja> breezy
[06:02] <nomad> sudo chmod 777 /home/nomad/.mozilla < is that good?
[06:03] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:03] <Sonofaq> yeah
[06:03] <Bluekuja> folder must be correct one hehehehehee
[06:03] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:03] <Sonofaq> lol therwise you strew things up
[06:04] <nomad> still giving me the error
[06:04] <Bluekuja> you have to type the correct directory
[06:04] <Bluekuja> its not that one
[06:05] <Bluekuja> i dont know how you structured installation
[06:05] <Bluekuja> so i dont know where you put that files
[06:06] <nomad> what about the firefox folder in /opt ?
[06:06] <Bluekuja> it can be, it depends from your installation
[06:06] <Bluekuja> by the way try it
[06:06] <Sonofaq> it wont make anything crassh
[06:06] <Bluekuja> yes
[06:06] <Bluekuja> its /opt
[06:07] <nomad> yeah I tried it and nothing
[06:07] <Bluekuja> you have to see where firefox starts
[06:07] <Bluekuja> in which dir
[06:08] <Bluekuja> maybe do locate firefox
[06:08] <nomad> How do I do that? When i updated it it told me to unzip it to /opt and it created its own /firefox folder under /opt
[06:08] <Bluekuja> do this command
[06:08] <Bluekuja> locate firefox
[06:08] <nomad> ok
[06:08] <nomad> gave me a massive block of stuff
[06:09] <nomad> you want me to pastebin the output?
[06:09] <Bluekuja> you will flood the channel
[06:09] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:09] <Bluekuja> just search
[06:10] <Bluekuja> did you get /usr/bin/firefox
[06:10] <Bluekuja> too?
[06:10] <nomad> in the giant block of code?
[06:10] <Bluekuja> yep
[06:10] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: hi
[06:10] <edubuntugirl> howsit, Bluekuja!
[06:10] <nomad> usr/sbin/mozilla-firefox-chrome-update
[06:11] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: im good and you?
[06:11] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: huh?
[06:11] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: your teacher (highvoltage) is not good hehe
[06:11] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: gotcha
[06:11] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:11] <Bluekuja> nomad
[06:12] <Bluekuja> if you do
[06:12] <Bluekuja> in bash
[06:12] <Bluekuja> /usr/bin/firefox
[06:12] <Bluekuja> does it works?
[06:12] <nomad> nothing
[06:12] <nomad> nope
[06:12] <Bluekuja> permission denied?
[06:12] <nomad> still, yes
[06:13] <Bluekuja> cd /usr/bin
[06:13] <Bluekuja> ls -l
[06:13] <Bluekuja> check permissions of that file
[06:14] <nomad> its open to everyone
[06:14] <Bluekuja> i know...
[06:14] <Bluekuja> just check firefox
[06:14] <Bluekuja> one
[06:14] <Bluekuja> then do chmod 777 /ust/bin/firefox
[06:14] <nomad> same, /usr/bin/firefox is open to everyone
[06:15] <Bluekuja> so its another file
[06:15] <nomad> well, i can access the new firefox if i run the script in the firefox folder
[06:15] <nomad> firefox.sh
[06:16] <Bluekuja> yep maybe the link that you have done in config files doesnt work cause permission
[06:16] <Bluekuja> but to have a working browser
[06:16] <Bluekuja> when you type
[06:16] <Bluekuja> firefox
[06:16] <Bluekuja> in bash
[06:17] <Bluekuja> it must work
[06:19] <nomad> firefox in bash doesnt work
[06:19] <Bluekuja> so you havent linked correctly
[06:20] <nomad> im so confused...
[06:21] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:21] <Bluekuja> its not hard man
[06:21] <Bluekuja> i did it in 10 frend's computer
[06:21] <Bluekuja> i dident get any problem
[06:21] <Bluekuja> in my opinion you havent followed that page
[06:22] <Bluekuja> or you have missed some steps
[06:22] <nomad> i did follow the page i have it open right here
[06:22] <Bluekuja> do you get alwais permission denied for child process?
[06:23] <Bluekuja> when you run the process
[06:23] <Bluekuja> check which files does it load
[06:24] <Bluekuja> use top command
[06:25] <Bluekuja> for it
[06:25] <nomad> I'm reinstalling, hang on, this time i'm following the directions very closely
[06:25] <Bluekuja> okie
[06:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: ping?
[07:04] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: if you need something for edubuntu school manifesto you can ask me
[07:05] <LaserJock> well, Pete made a note on EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy about universities and colleges
[07:05] <Bluekuja> oh yes , right
[07:05] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:05] <Bluekuja> so just wait him for that
[07:05] <Bluekuja> ;)
[07:05] <LaserJock> at this point I don't really see how Edubuntu would work at university settings
[07:06] <LaserJock> I think the LTSP part is very applicible, but the theme isn't and really I don't think the package selection is either
[07:07] <Bluekuja> mmm... yes maybe in the future
[07:07] <Bluekuja> with more work and more packages we can reach also uni
[07:07] <Bluekuja> but its a long trip^^
[07:08] <LaserJock> well, I don't think it would be too hard, I just don't know if that is in the Edubuntu road map
[07:08] <Bluekuja> yep, that true
[07:08] <Bluekuja> well we'll see that in the near future
[07:08] <Bluekuja> maybe in the next meeting
[07:10] <LaserJock> I'm sort of struggling with how that would be accomplished, would a boot option need to be added. Is there even room on the CD for anything else
[07:10] <Bluekuja> yes, another setting called university
[07:10] <Bluekuja> would be nice
[07:10] <Bluekuja> but as you said
[07:11] <Bluekuja> i dont know how much disk space will that use
[07:12] <LaserJock> maybe we need a EdubuntuUniversity spec or something
[07:12] <Bluekuja> yep
[07:12] <Bluekuja> it would be a nice idea
[07:12] <Bluekuja> but we have to talk with oliver for that
[07:19] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:20] <Bluekuja> ;)
[07:21] <cbx33> hiya
[07:23] <cbx33> sorry I'm a little late back
[07:23] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:23] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[07:23] <cbx33> yeh, I mentioned it, and I knew you were investigating into it
[07:23] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, I just got the first print copy of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide!
[07:23] <cbx33> oooh yeh
[07:24] <cbx33> I'll be buying one when I get some cash
[07:24] <cbx33> I think personally edubuntu has it's roots in the school market
[07:24] <cbx33> possibly college
[07:25] <cbx33> ubuntu with LTSP would be very usable for universities
[07:25] <LaserJock> yeah, my only problems are the theme and package selection
[07:26] <LaserJock> if we can resolve how to include both schools and unis in that, I think it would be great
[07:26] <cbx33> well
[07:26] <cbx33> it's possibly as simple as a meta package isn't it?
[07:26] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja
[07:27] <cbx33> sorry I took so long
[07:27] <LaserJock> cbx33: yes, but it is also a matter of room on the cd
[07:27] <cbx33> guinea pig has gottne a little worse
[07:27] <cbx33> true
[07:27] <Bluekuja> hey cbx33 :)
[07:27] <cbx33> I'm back
[07:27] <Bluekuja> good man
[07:27] <Bluekuja> how it was?
[07:27] <cbx33> not good
[07:27] <LaserJock> perhaps having unis do more of a server install and then get meta packages from Universe or something
[07:27] <cbx33> yes
[07:27] <cbx33> that was my plan
[07:28] <cbx33> but then they might as well use the normal ubuntu cd
[07:29] <LaserJock> well, I think the ltsp part would be good
[07:30] <cbx33> yes
[07:31] <cbx33> Bluekuja, got time for a chat in edubuntu-doc?
[07:32] <Bluekuja> yep
[09:44] <juliux> ogra, ping
[09:52] <cbx33> Laser_away, ping
[09:56] <juliux> cbx33, hi
[09:56] <cbx33> hi juliux
[09:56] <juliux> cbx33, it is allowed to add a screenshot to a bug report?
[09:56] <cbx33> yes
[09:56] <juliux> ok
[09:56] <cbx33> add an attachemnt
[09:56] <juliux> i want to write a comment
[09:56] <cbx33> i did for tha funny small screen one we bug reported the other day
[09:57] <cbx33> write your comment when yo uadd the attachemnt
[09:57] <juliux> i see it
[09:59] <juliux> thxs cbx33
[09:59] <cbx33> np juliux
[10:05] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[10:05] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy
[10:05] <cbx33> take a look at the bottom
[10:05] <cbx33> mocked up some pages
[10:23] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[10:23] <cbx33> hang on
[10:23] <cbx33> another one just being added
[10:23] <highvoltage> ok
[10:24] <cbx33> :p
[10:24] <cbx33> done
[10:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: very nice :)
[10:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: your hard work is really showing off!
[10:28] <cbx33> thank you
[10:28] <highvoltage> and Bluekuja and blondefriend's of course
[10:28] <cbx33> hehe
[10:29] <cbx33> comments?
[10:29] <cbx33> like the layout??
[10:29] <highvoltage> i'll still give it an edit before the end of the weekend
[10:29] <cbx33> ok
[10:29] <highvoltage> of the pamphlet, or the page?
[10:29] <cbx33> excellent - i would really appreciate that
[10:29] <cbx33> the pamphlet
[10:29] <highvoltage> the pamphlet is simple, but i like it that way.
[10:30] <Bluekuja> cbx33, im back :)
[10:30] <highvoltage> it gives just enough information to get people interested
[10:30] <Bluekuja> hey jon
[10:30] <cbx33> I mean the ultimate intention is to get this thing printed
[10:30] <Bluekuja> ;)
[10:30] <highvoltage> and to come to the website to view more information
[10:30] <cbx33> Bluekuja, head over to the page
[10:30] <cbx33> I've been busy
[10:30] <highvoltage> nice.
[10:30] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja
[10:30] <Bluekuja> let me see
[10:30] <cbx33> highvoltage, think canonical would be willing to give it some backing?
[10:30] <highvoltage> yeah Bluekuja, look at the schooladvocacy page!
[10:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: even if they don't, i'm sure we can sort some funding out for it
[10:31] <cbx33> that would be awesome
[10:31] <highvoltage> janew and i can do a edubuntu-cake fundraiser :)
[10:31] <cbx33> I'll wait a few more days till most of the content is at least present in some form
[10:31] <Bluekuja> very nice
[10:31] <Bluekuja> very very nice
[10:31] <cbx33> then we'll contact Canonical
[10:31] <cbx33> highvoltage, who would you recommend speaking to
[10:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: Jane
[10:32] <cbx33> ok
[10:32] <cbx33> I'll talk to Jane next time I see her
[10:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: although edubuntu doesn't officially have a budget at this stage :/
[10:32] <highvoltage> but i suggest you contact her anyway, go through the channels and all
[10:32] <cbx33> no, but Canonical does
[10:32] <highvoltage> sure about that?
[10:32] <cbx33> my hope is they will see that getting people started on edubuntu wil lead to them using ubuntu later in life :p
[10:33] <highvoltage> if it had one, Jane would manage it :)
[10:33] <cbx33> heheh
[10:33] <cbx33> how do the shipit cd's get funded?
[10:33] <cbx33> just out of interest
[10:33] <highvoltage> shipit cd's are funded by canonical.
[10:34] <highvoltage> note that there isn't edubuntu shipit cd's (not yet, anyway)
[10:34] <cbx33> i thought there were going to be this time round?
[10:34] <highvoltage> yeah. that's the rumour ;)
[10:34] <cbx33> :p
[10:34] <Bluekuja> yep pete
[10:34] <cbx33> Bluekuja, you like the layouts I mocked up?
[10:34] <Bluekuja> im revising it
[10:34] <cbx33> excellent
[10:34] <Bluekuja> yes
[10:34] <Bluekuja> really nice
[10:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, can you think of anymore sections?
[10:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: what did you use to make the pamphlet?
[10:35] <cbx33> scribus believe it or not :p
[10:35] <highvoltage> heh
[10:35] <cbx33> first time I've used it :p
[10:35] <cbx33> had to compile from source
[10:35] <cbx33> 1.2 is crap
[10:35] <cbx33> <IP_ADDRESS> is useable
[10:35] <cbx33> well considering i set myself 15 minutes to learn
[10:35] <highvoltage> just off the top of my head... perhaps mention the live cd? and that they can 'try before they buy'?
[10:36] <cbx33> already done
[10:36] <highvoltage> ok
[10:36] <cbx33> I'd like to try Edubuntu, but I am a little worried it will affect my computer?
[10:36] <highvoltage> ah, right. how did i miss that...
[10:36] <cbx33> cos there are so many bloody sections :p
[10:36] <cbx33> will be even bigger once the individual app descriptions are done
[10:37] <cbx33> I was hoping blondefriend was going to start on those today
[10:37] <cbx33> I'll get cracking on a few on monday
[10:37] <Bluekuja> pete
[10:37] <cbx33> Bluekuja,
[10:37] <Bluekuja> i corrected
[10:37] <cbx33> ok
[10:37] <Bluekuja> yes pete?
[10:37] <cbx33> Bluekuja, I was hoping to have the majority of text done by the end of this week
[10:37] <cbx33> workable deadline you think?
[10:38] <Bluekuja> in my opinion
[10:38] <cbx33> if this is going to be printed it needs to be finished ASAP
[10:38] <cbx33> just the first draft
[10:38] <Bluekuja> we can finish it on thursday
[10:38] <cbx33> yeh that's what I think too
[10:38] <cbx33> highvoltage, was gonna put some of lisas characters on the pages too
[10:38] <Bluekuja> for next week is done
[10:38] <Bluekuja> for sure
[10:38] <Bluekuja> perfect
[10:39] <cbx33> i think she's going to do some more tomorrow :D or possibly monday
[10:39] <cbx33> monday is national bank holiday here
[10:39] <cbx33> :D
[10:39] <Bluekuja> ehhe
[10:39] <Bluekuja> i will add more
[10:39] <cbx33> well thank you highvoltage for the very valuable feedback
[10:39] <Bluekuja> some more content
[10:39] <cbx33> Bluekuja, what sections you thinking of adding?
[10:39] <Bluekuja> to applications
[10:39] <cbx33> oooh
[10:39] <cbx33> thank you
[10:39] <Bluekuja> np man
[10:39] <cbx33> that's what I need
[10:40] <cbx33> then I can mock up an applications page
[10:40] <cbx33> probably 3 apps per page
[10:40] <Bluekuja> i write educational applications
[10:40] <Bluekuja> with description
[10:40] <cbx33> there is the beginnings there
[10:40] <Bluekuja> yep
[10:40] <cbx33> What applications are installed?
[10:40] <cbx33> :p
[10:41] <Bluekuja> ill write something about kalzium ,keduca
[10:41] <Bluekuja> all programs like them regarding education
[10:43] <cbx33> :D
[10:43] <cbx33> Bluekuja, can you provide some screenshots for each
[10:44] <cbx33> i know I'm asking a lot here
[10:44] <Bluekuja> i can i can
[10:44] <Bluekuja> :)
[10:44] <cbx33> 2 per app.....if possible showing two vastly different screens
[10:44] <cbx33> if not just provide one
[10:44] <Bluekuja> i think that one is the correct number (for wiki formattation)
[10:44] <cbx33> open ooffice wil have a page to itself
[10:44] <cbx33> yes
[10:44] <cbx33> 2 for pamphlet
[10:44] <Bluekuja> ok
[10:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: np :)
[10:45] <edubuntugirl> i want a pony
[10:45] <cbx33> Bluekuja, we should relaly be in #edubuntu-doc
[10:45] <Bluekuja> okie
[10:45] <cbx33> sorry edubuntugirl we don;t have them here
[10:45] <cbx33> :p
[10:45] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: wanna be my girlfrend for irc?
[10:45] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: huh?
[10:45] <edubuntugirl> :(
[10:46] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: you have to say yes Blue
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: sure thing
[10:46] <Bluekuja> tnx
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: sorry, i have a thing for ubotu
[10:46] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: aww thats not good
[10:46] <cbx33> heheh
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: sorry...
[10:46] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: i started to love you
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: sorry...
[10:46] <Bluekuja> edubuntugirl: okie :( np for it ill find another girl
[10:46] <edubuntugirl> Bluekuja: huh?
[10:47] <edubuntugirl> ubotu: private message
[10:47] <ubotu> ok ;)
[10:47] <Bluekuja> haha
[11:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, will the design of the edubuntu CD - if there is one, be tied to the wallpaper theme?
[11:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: i don't know, it will depend on the wallpaper theme
[11:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: if the wallpaper looks like the berlin wall, it's likely to get objection for cd cover artwork ;)
[11:03] <cbx33> heh
[11:03] <cbx33> i'll get lisa cracking on the wallpaper ideas
[11:04] <cbx33> i was thinking what about having the ring of people like in the ubuntu theme, but with the drawn characters
[11:04] <highvoltage> nice
[11:04] <cbx33> might be worth a shot
[11:04] <highvoltage> that would be real cool.
[11:04] <highvoltage> we're waiting for some animation from toxictoadz, but he seems to have disappeared
[11:05] <cbx33> what was he animating?
[11:05] <cbx33> and what for?
[11:05] <highvoltage> wallpaper, not as in amination, but as in animated characters.
[11:05] <highvoltage> he has a nice wallpaper on art.ubuntu.com
[11:06] <cbx33> link me?
[11:09] <highvoltage> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/76
[11:10] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu!
[11:10] <cbx33> ahhhh
[11:10] <cbx33> that on
[11:10] <cbx33> e
[11:10] <crimsun> 'night
[11:10] <cbx33> good night highvoltage
[11:11] <Bluekuja> cya jon
[11:13] <lucasvo> cbx33: did your wife made any changes to her artwork?
[11:14] <lucasvo> oh, you're just leaving
[11:14] <lucasvo> good night
[11:14] <cbx33> not yet
[11:14] <cbx33> I'm not leaving just yet
[11:14] <cbx33> she's doing them tomorrow
[11:17] <lucasvo> cbx33: just being curious, whiht which application and which tools did your wife draw the kids in the artork?
[11:17] <cbx33> she drew them by hand
[11:18] <cbx33> scanned
[11:18] <cbx33> and coloured in photoshop
[11:27] <cbx33> i was thinking, did edubuntu attend the BETT show in london this year
[11:27] <cbx33> if not they should next year
[11:32] <lucasvo> :)
[11:34] <lucasvo> cbx33: where do you live?
[11:34] <cbx33> UK
[11:35] <cbx33> so not too far away
[11:35] <lucasvo> oh, where exactly?
[11:35] <lucasvo> north/south?
[11:35] <cbx33> south
[11:35] <cbx33> u?
[11:35] <lucasvo> Zurich/Switzerland
[11:35] <cbx33> cool
[11:35] <lucasvo> yeah, I love it
[11:36] <lucasvo> it's a small city, but still you have wordclass entertainment, good schools and publictransportation, a lake
[11:37] <lucasvo> the weather is the only not so good thing
[11:37] <lucasvo> :)
[11:37] <bimberi> and it was in Winter
[11:37] <lucasvo> bimberi: was there snow ? or only rain?
[11:38] <bimberi> some snow - very cold - but i liked it
[11:38] <bimberi> there's nevery any winter snow in any australian cities
[11:38] <lucasvo> bimberi: what did you do in Zurich?
[11:39] <bimberi> survived basically - i had run out of money once i got there (backpacking) - and it was my last port of call before home
[11:40] <lucasvo> when have you been there?
[11:40] <bimberi> so basically walked around a lot
[11:40] <bimberi> it was 1987 :)
[11:40] <bimberi> February
[11:40] <lucasvo> a long time ago
[11:40] <lucasvo> before I was born :)
[11:41] <bimberi> :)
[11:41] <lucasvo> well, have you been to ETH?
[11:41] <cbx33> lucasvo, how old are u?
[11:41] <lucasvo> 16
[11:41] <bimberi> ETH?
[11:41] <lucasvo> university
[11:42] <bimberi> yep, twice?
[11:42] <bimberi> !
[11:42] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, bimberi
[11:42] <bimberi> heh
[11:43] <lucasvo> bimberi: that's where I live
[11:43] <lucasvo> little bit more away from the see
[11:43] <bimberi> ah, sorry, no i didn't get to ETH itself
[11:44] <lucasvo> http://tel.local.ch/de/d/0LvFrZdcxrSbFz27WempDg?where=8006%2C%20turnerstrasse%2010
[11:45] <bimberi> mostly in the city - the youth hostel was about 2-3km southwest of the railway station (iirc)
[11:46] <bimberi> i do recall seeing James Joyce's grave - not sure why that's such a strong memory though :)
[11:46] <bimberi> ... a famous irish author (for those who don't know)
[11:51] <lucasvo> bimberi: do you know zwingli? :)
[11:54] <bimberi> lucasvo: only the bit i googled 10 seconds ago :P
[11:54] <bimberi> looks like the youth hostel is still there - http://tel.local.ch/de/q/8038,%20Mutschellenstr%20114/


 No Tall Davis according to any census report ever done there, however I did fine her siblings there, and her mother, but no freakin' Tall
[06:24] <nixternal> according to the census report, her dad's name is Earl
[06:24] <nixternal> fuck me
[06:24] <nixternal> that's my dad's middle name
[06:24] <nixternal> and there are no Earl's on my grandfather's side. them silly bastards had me thinking I was the next Choctaw chief
[06:25] <maco> nixternal: maybe your dad was illegitimate?
[06:25] <maco> or your grandma..im confused
[06:25] <maco> someone!
[06:26] <maco> her dad's name... ok so maybe your gma was illegitimate
[06:26] <nixternal> she is from arkansas, so it could be possible, and it is probably even more possible that her mom and dad are probably brother and sister
[06:27] <nixternal> no wait, that is a maryland thing
[06:27] <maco> heh no thats a west virginia thing :P
[06:27] <nixternal> this family tree stuff is freakin' addicting
[06:27] <maco> you're reminding me that i gotta get gramps to spit out a website for me and i can upload it to my vps
[06:27] <nixternal> west virginia & southern maryland == district 7, the 2 largest areas of reported inbreading :)
[06:28] <nixternal> maco: if you act now, you can get free access to ancestry.com for 14 days. holy hell that has made stuff so damn easy
[06:28] <maco> nixternal: i get 14 days of access?
[06:28] <nixternal> and then you can export the GEODEC or whatever it is called file, download it, and import it into GRAMPS
[06:28] <maco> or if i sign up within 14 days i get free access for....longer?
[06:28] <maco> GEDCOM
[06:28] <maco> i already have a very big GEDCOM
[06:28] <nixternal> maco: yes, 14 days free access
[06:28] <maco> ive been doing this since high school
[06:28] <nixternal> you can import your gedcom into ancestry.com
[06:28] <maco> i also have family history going back 800 years from one of my cousins
[06:29] <nixternal> it does searching and verification stuff for you and with you. it is really neat...took a little to get used to
[06:29] <maco> eh but i actually already imported it into gramps. afraid itd lose data
[06:29] <nixternal> yeah, i got back to 600 years yesterday
[06:29] <maco> to export a gedcom and then reimport it into ancestry then export AGAIN then reimport AGAIN
[06:29] <nixternal> you can at least find more ancestors and add them manually into gramps
[06:30] <nixternal> pretty cool, i found my grandfather's bording passes for a couple of ships from the US to Sweden and back, his passport, military records, and even more
[06:30] <maco> i dont think i can go much further with ancestry
[06:30] <maco> they only have US records afaik
[06:31] <nixternal> found my great aunts bording pass for the Titanic, where she ended up freezing to death. plus we have her bording ticket/receipt because my great grandmother paid for her to come from Sweden
[06:31] <maco> i need to dig into church records in a tiny village in sicily
[06:31] <nixternal> yeah, the free 14 days won't let you dig into sicily. they want you to pay $25/mo for that
[06:31] <maco> my family's only been here 112 years. i exhausted US records 5 years ago
[06:32] <nixternal> that's why i am stuck with my dad's great grandparents, can't go any further because everything else is in swedish for them
[06:32] <nigelb> maco: italian?
[06:32] <nixternal> what's interesting though, on my mom's side, i got back into england, she stems from royalty, and that family still has land in england
[06:32] <maco> nigelb: 1/4, yes. this is why i have a complexion thats just dark enough for people to question my bloodlines
[06:32] <nixternal> and a family crest that looks dumb as hell
[06:33] <nigelb> maco: intersting :)
[06:33] <nigelb> nixternal: lol
[06:34] <nixternal> interesting thing are the famous people i am related to. i already knew of Parnelli Jones Jr. & Sr. because they are 2nd cousins, but on my mom's side she didn't even know she was related to Woody and Arlo Guthrie
[06:36] <nixternal> hah, and my grandma was born in the same hospital bill clinton was born in. now i understand why she was a republican
[08:58] <bambee> morning
[08:59]  * bambee has received his toshiba ac100 :D
[09:04] <Riddell> bambee: what's one of them?
[09:04] <bambee> hardware rocks (that's why I wanted it), but the OS does not!! android 2.1 on this smartbook is... a weak idea. it's not designed for smartbook... seriously it sucks.
[09:04] <bambee> fortunately I will install ubuntu :)
[09:04] <Riddell> what's a smartbook?
[09:04] <bambee> Riddell: this is the first smartbook with the nvidia tegra 2 :)
[09:06] <bambee> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartbook
[09:09] <bambee> mobile device that combines smartphone and netbook features. The ac100., it's a netbook with a internal flash memory and the same topology as a androphone (fastboot, flash memory, and an SSD)
[09:18] <Riddell> bambee: how much?
[09:19] <bambee> 267 $
[09:19] <Riddell> bambee: and you recon it'll run Ubuntu distros?
[09:20] <bambee> Riddell: it already runs ubuntu netbook 10.10 :)
[09:21] <bambee> Riddell: the tegra2 is cortexA9-based, actually you need just a special kernel
[09:22] <bambee> however I think many things will be experimental, but it's a good challenge :)
[10:24] <kunal> need some help on kde-workspace package in ubuntu archive
[10:41] <apachelogger> uhh
[10:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, tsimpson: I made him angry ^^
[10:48] <debfx_> apachelogger: oh, what did he write?
[10:48] <apachelogger> yes
[10:49] <apachelogger> debfx_: want it too?
[10:49] <debfx> apachelogger: yes
[10:57]  * apachelogger only just got up and needs a coffee
[10:58] <apachelogger> kunal: order vast amounts of coffee to get high from
[10:58] <apachelogger> eh
[10:58] <apachelogger> kunal: sry
[10:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: order vast amounts of coffee to get high from
[10:58]  * kubotu slides vast amounts of coffee to get high from down the bar to apachelogger
[10:58] <apachelogger> supporting the point of me not being awake
[10:58] <kunal> apachelogger: no issues, i pinged somewhat early :-)
[10:59] <apachelogger> kunal: are you new here? haven't seen you around :)
[10:59] <kunal> apachelogger: yes i am quite new
[11:00] <apachelogger> welcome to the lands of kubuntu then
[11:00] <apachelogger> kunal: so what do you need to know about the workspace packgae?
[11:00]  * apachelogger just realized that he actually should upload a new workspace to get a new armel build without libGL linking
[11:01] <kunal> apachelogger: thanks, i want to new source linked to mainline
[11:02] <apachelogger> kunal: can you please elabroate, I do not quite understand
[11:02] <kunal> kde-window-manager re-packaged for GLES2
[11:02] <apachelogger> ah, I have a package for that
[11:02] <apachelogger> somewhere
[11:03] <kunal> apachelogger: jammy zhou has uploaded a new patch for this in kde mainline
[11:03] <apachelogger> kunal: which patch would that be?
[11:04] <kunal> apachelogger: looking, wait a minute
[11:05] <apachelogger> kunal: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/mobile/kwin-gles/debian/ the packaging I produced, however that was still when the gles branch was not part of workspace
[11:06] <apachelogger> basically you just grab a git snapshot of workspace git master and add the packging necessary
[11:07] <apachelogger> however we must be very careful as to not introduce problems with the existing workspace package, in particular kwin probably links against some other libraries in workspace, so we'd need a way to keep the one from kwin-gles out of the way of regular kwin
[11:07] <debfx> lol, Ubuntu will die because we don't statically link sqlite in Qt :D
[11:08] <apachelogger> yes
[11:09] <kunal> apachelogger: debian folder can be reused?
[11:09] <apachelogger> debfx: what I am worrid about is his lack of understanding what a static linked library for Qt is and what a static linked library for a Qt based application is
[11:09] <kunal> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdebase/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/125016902ae852dcd067a33bad08cdc25197c238
[11:09] <apachelogger> kunal: sure
[11:11] <kunal> apachelogger: so my line of action will be to get git clone for kde workspace from kde mainline and use debian from your ubutnu acrhive
[11:11] <kunal> apachelogger: of course with some tweeks if required
[11:11] <apachelogger> debfx: also he did not answer my question for the documentation he claimed to have read
[11:11] <apachelogger> this is jolly fun
[11:11] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah, if you want a specific sqlite version you need to build your own QtSql driver anyway
[11:12] <apachelogger> kunal: yes, well, as I mentioned, packaging will not be the tricky part but actually hammering things into place so that installing kde-window-manager-gles does not need to change other kde-workspace binary packages
[11:13] <apachelogger> I imagine something like setting the lib taget path to /usr/lib/kwin-gles and rpathing that into kwin-gles
[11:13] <apachelogger> debfx: yes, at that point you dont need a qtsql driver though
[11:14] <apachelogger> that scenario only makes sense if you have an existing code base using qtsql and want to transition it as quickly as possible to a specific version of sqlite
[11:15] <kunal> apachelogger: ok
[11:16] <debfx> apachelogger: well you need a plugin if you prefer the qtsql api over pure sqlite
[11:18] <apachelogger> yeah, but, since you basically lost the advantage of the plugin architecture (by introducing sql statements that only work with a particular version sqlite and thus probably not standard SQL and not supported elsewhere) you are only left with the overhead it introduces
[11:18] <apachelogger> so sticking with that jsut for the API would probably a bad choice :)
[11:18] <apachelogger> anyhow
[11:18] <apachelogger> that dude does not understand it anyway
[12:50] <nigelb> "We handle that very well, I think, though occasionally some muppet calls Kubuntu the blue-headed-stepchild etc etc."
[12:51] <nigelb> nixternal, Riddell, shadeslayer: ^^
[13:04] <apachelogger> lol
[13:04] <apachelogger> nigelb: where is that from?
[13:04] <nigelb> apachelogger: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/654
[13:10] <apachelogger> blog post were invented in 1209 by king sven of england, btw
[13:13] <\sh> nigelb: if you take "some muppet calls Kubuntu" out of context, it's even more funny ;)
[13:19] <apachelogger> rofl
[13:19] <apachelogger> \sh++
[13:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: pingy
[13:21] <\sh> apachelogger: just imagine Kermit hosting the Muppet Show: "And now, Ladies and Gentleman, let me present to you 'Kubuntu! Kubuntu! Kubuntu!'"
[13:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Pong.
[13:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you happen to have time to do a straight testbuild of kdebase-workspace on the arm machines?
[13:47]  * apachelogger doesnt have his keys with him
[13:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: I can kick it off, sure.
[13:48] <apachelogger> plasma applets should now stop linking against libgl
[14:10] <c2tarun> hi
[14:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Build is started.
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: heh, that's pretty funny
[14:45]  * JontheEchidna is some muppet, I guess :P
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> wow, my blueheaded stepchild post was a while back now
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> 2.5 years ago. Has it really been that long?
[15:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks
[15:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should do a new one
[15:56] <kunal> apachelogger: pong
[15:56] <apachelogger> kunal: ping
[15:57] <kunal> apachelogger: i tried cloning the kde workspace , it has dep on kdelibs 4.6.40 and in ubuntu archive we have 4.6.1
[15:58] <apachelogger> kunal: you will need to strip parts to get it building against 4.6 (and patch the cmakelists to reflect that)
[15:58] <apachelogger> in particular stuff like plasma is surely not necessary to build kwin
[15:59] <kunal> apachelogger: ok
[16:03] <apachelogger> kunal: a quick look suggests that only ksmserver and a couple of the libs should be necessary
[16:03]  * apachelogger actually notes that it would be best if we could build against the stock 4.6 libs and ksm to prevent binary incompatibility problems...
[16:04] <apachelogger> though that is only necessary if we find such incompatibilities :D
[16:04] <kunal> apachelogger: can i try with making change CMakelist to 4.6.1
[16:06] <kunal> apachelogger: in kdelibs also a patch was given for "libplasma.so should be GLES2 compatible"
[16:06] <kunal> patch "remove direct OpenGL dependency of libplasma" accepted in upstream: http://commits.kde.org/kdelibs/46b3025245ee6b22cfa8d2a898756f5c075d822e
[16:06] <apachelogger> kunal: I already pushed that to the archives
[16:06] <kunal> apachelogger: ok
[16:07] <apachelogger> trying to rebuild our stack up to plasma-mobile to see if that does anything for us
[16:07] <kunal> apachelogger: in that case 4.6.1 latest in archive should work with kdeworkspace
[16:08] <apachelogger> well, yes, it does not necessarily build if your snapshot is already using 4.7 specific api though :)
[16:09] <kunal> apachelogger : i have started build with just change in cmakelist to 4.6.1
[16:10] <sjkwizard> hi all. I've a question...which is the exact purpose of a kstatusnotifieritem?
[16:13] <sjkwizard> i need to implement an applet to notify the user some info from a background app. Should I use a Kstatus notifier item? or a plasma applet?
[16:14] <apachelogger> depends on what you notify about mostly
[16:15] <apachelogger> sounds like a KSNI use case though
[16:15] <sjkwizard> what iskni?
[16:24] <kunal> apachelogger: plasma/desktop/applets/kickoff/ui/brandingbutton.cpp:71:45: error: 'class Plasma::Theme' has no member named 'homepage'
[16:24] <kunal> apachelogger: different api
[16:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Can haz powerpc?
[16:43] <debfx> agateau: re bug #693316, afaik the default install dir for kde4 desktop files is share/applications/kde4/
[16:44] <agateau> debfx: oh, that's right, fix should be upstreamed then
[16:45] <agateau> debfx: fixed the bug report
[16:57] <debfx> agateau: have you tried upstreaming the other patches: soundmenu_support and appmenu_fix?
[16:57] <agateau> debfx: I think I upstreamed appmenu_fix didn't i?
[16:58] <agateau> debfx: and soundmenu_support is the one which uses libindicate?
[16:58] <agateau> debfx: if so it can be dropped
[17:00] <debfx> agateau: appmenu_fix doesn't seem to be in the upstream
[17:00] <agateau> debfx: oh ok, let's add it to my TODO then
[17:00] <debfx> agateau: yes, soundmenu_support uses libindicate-qt
[17:01] <agateau> debfx: it is no longer necessary
[17:01] <debfx> ok, I'll drop it from the package
[17:02] <agateau> debfx: thanks
[17:04] <agateau> time to go, bye
[17:05] <debfx> bye
[17:17] <apachelogger> kunal: what I said
[17:17] <apachelogger> but you do not need to build plasma anyway as kwin does not depend on it
[17:17] <kunal> apachelogger: ok
[17:18] <apachelogger> sjkwizard: ksni is short for kstatusnotifieritem ;)
[17:18] <kunal> apachelogger: any solution ?
[17:18] <kunal> apachelogger: how can i get it working
[17:18] <apachelogger> sure, strip plasma from the cmakelists.txt ;)
[17:18] <kunal> apachelogger: ok
[17:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: still building?
[18:32] <nigelb> Riddell: Please spare a Kubuntu sticker for me :D
[18:34] <tazz> heh
[18:35] <Daskreech> jjesse: hi
[18:43] <nixternal> ScottK: you can haz ppc. it should be up an running for you
[19:18] <bambee> Riddell: maverick works just fine , bad new => with gnome :P
[20:17] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[20:17] <_Groo_> ping apachelogger
[20:17] <_Groo_> ping yofel
[20:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[20:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Still building.
[20:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: any idea on the percent? :)
[20:21] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yuz
[20:21] <ScottK> Somewhere in the 80's.
[20:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so did you see vHanda's video yet?
[20:21] <apachelogger> ah, groovy
[20:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: which one would that be?
[20:22] <apachelogger> does it have nakkid phonons?
[20:22] <Daskreech> yessssssssssssssss
[20:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the nepomuk + video subtitle search
[20:22] <Daskreech> I mean ummm
[20:22] <Daskreech> yes
[20:22] <Daskreech> yes it does
[20:22] <apachelogger> where is that?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and does QML work in Ministro?
[20:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh .. that means he hasn't recorded it yet
[20:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: does latest phonon git breaks api with phonon git from 2 weeks ago? its crashing today, with 4.6.1
[20:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[20:23] <shadeslayer> oh goody
[20:23] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yes
[20:23] <apachelogger> dunno
[20:23] <apachelogger> probably
[20:23]  * shadeslayer is making a QML all
[20:23] <shadeslayer> oh darn
[20:23] <apachelogger> your question does not make terribly much sense
[20:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so new phonon is for 4.7 now?
[20:24] <apachelogger> how do you run a phonon with an old phonon
[20:24] <shadeslayer> s/all/app
[20:24] <apachelogger> that is sorta recursive righ there
[20:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: no no
[20:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what i mean, i compiled latest phonon git from today, with phonon - gstreamer/vlc from today git
[20:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are supposed to make a  scheduler app for UDS IIRC
[20:24] <_Groo_> and it crashes with 4.6.1
[20:24] <apachelogger> 4.6.1?
[20:24] <apachelogger> dude
[20:24] <apachelogger> you are confusing me
[20:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if i revert phonon to a build a week old it doesnt crash, so... api breakage then
[20:25] <apachelogger> get me a backtrace
[20:25] <_Groo_> 4.6.1 = kde
[20:25] <_Groo_> phonon is latest from git
[20:25] <_Groo_> vlc/gstreamer from git
[20:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh huh .... fregl gave a awesome QML talk today, and we also found a bug in QML which is quite possibly fixed in Qt 4.7.2
[20:25] <nixternal> ScottK: it is rebooting right now, git it a second
[20:25] <_Groo_> if i use today phonon/vlc/gstreamer, everything sound related breaks, systemsettings, amarok, whataver
[20:26] <_Groo_> if i revert phonon to a week old it works
[20:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so you are talking about QML @ UADW?
[20:26] <apachelogger> great
[20:26] <apachelogger> awesome
[20:26] <apachelogger> or does fregl?
[20:26] <apachelogger> anyhow
[20:26] <apachelogger> plz sign up
[20:26] <shadeslayer> UADW?
[20:26] <apachelogger> _Groo_: backtrace
[20:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ubuntu app developer week!!T$234
[20:26] <apachelogger> are you not reading backlogz?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fregl had a QML talk @ conf.kde.in
[20:26] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will try
[20:26] <apachelogger> we needs a talk on Qt on KDE on plasma on QML and on Phononion
[20:26] <_Groo_> another question, who is taking care of kdepim?
[20:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: where is me backtrace?
[20:27] <yofel> _Groo_: which kdepim in what context?
[20:27] <_Groo_> yofel: kdepim beta, aka 4.7
[20:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sec, need to reinstall today debs so i can create a backtrace
[20:28] <yofel> _Groo_: what's to be done there?
[20:28] <_Groo_> yofel: latest is <IP_ADDRESS>? or is there a new version im not aware in the wild?
[20:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i finally have a decent connection to clone lighthouse
[20:29] <apachelogger> I once had a lighthouse
[20:29] <yofel> dunno, I haven't heard of anything new to package there, we have 4.5.93 though
[20:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why woud you clonez it?
[20:29] <apachelogger> just use them fine binaries
[20:29] <_Groo_> yofel: hum, isnt that older?
[20:30] <yofel> _Groo_: true, I haven't heard of anyone here looking at 94 yet
[20:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just need http://sourceforge.net/projects/ministro.necessitas.p/files/releases/0.1/libraries.tar.bz2/download
[20:31] <shadeslayer> right?
[20:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: here ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/578511/
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: are you sure, im pretty sure i downloaded from you guys : 4:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: or maybe i did it myself and forgot? ¬¬ hmmm... my memory fails me
[20:34] <_Groo_> yofel: i remember i got it from you yofel, since i dont have access to the kde dev folder in ftp.... iforgot the oficial name
[20:34] <_Groo_> yofel: which btw works pretty well, kmail is very fast now and doesnt crash anymore
[20:34] <_Groo_> yofel: so if theres a new version i could be persuaded to build it
[20:35] <shadeslayer> okay i'm downloading that 3 minute installer
[20:35] <_Groo_> yofel: but im almost sure someone here did <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:36] <yofel> _Groo_: ah no, I only had ninjas on, for some reason 4.6.94 was never uploaded there but directly at experimental
[20:36] <yofel> s/at/to/
[20:36] <kubotu> yofel meant: "_Groo_: ah no, I only had ninjas on, for some reason 4.6.94 was never uploaded there but directly to experimental"
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: so im not crazy, someone did <IP_ADDRESS> :)
[20:37] <yofel> _Groo_: yep, and you can just look in the changelog who did it btw...
[20:37] <_Groo_> yofel: what i want is.. is there a new version that i can play around with?
[20:38] <_Groo_> yofel: im in a compile frenzy today :D
[20:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did you take a look at the trace?
[20:39] <yofel> not from what I see
[20:43] <shadeslayer> O_O
[20:43] <apachelogger> _Groo_: update
[20:43] <shadeslayer> shouldn't we like have 4.7.1 for Maverick
[20:43] <shadeslayer> :O
[20:43] <shadeslayer> 4.7.2 for natty
[20:44]  * shadeslayer will upgrade tomorrow
[20:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its was a bug then? gonna recompile
[20:45] <shadeslayer> night all
[20:46] <nigelb> shadeslayer: dude, sleep
[20:46] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: what are you talking about shade?
[20:46] <_Groo_> 4.7.2???
[20:46] <nigelb> oh,right.  He's off to bed.
[20:46] <nigelb> nixternal: so we all call you muppet from now on? :P
[20:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: compiling
[20:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hum, little error
[20:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/578516/
[20:50] <apachelogger> oi
[20:50] <apachelogger> ah
[20:50] <apachelogger> good lawd
[20:51] <apachelogger> this will take a bit
[20:51] <yofel> _Groo_: qt 4.7.2
[20:51] <_Groo_> yofel: ah ok :D
[20:51] <apachelogger> people in opensource have an interesting inability to apply alphabetical ordering
[20:51] <_Groo_> yofel: it would be nice, yes :)
[20:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: np... :P
[20:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but i want my cookie for reporting apachelogger bugs!
[20:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: to keep me quiet ;) ehehehehe
[20:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw nice work in tricking amarok to use gstreamer equalizer :)
[20:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i wish vlc phonon guys could implement the same thing...
[20:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw do you know if gstreamer in natty supports vdpau/vd-api?
[20:55] <apachelogger> is that porn?
[20:55] <apachelogger> yes we do porn
[20:55] <apachelogger> also yes, I also wished I could do the same thing in phonon vlc :P
[20:55] <apachelogger> pending API from VLC 1.2 actually
[20:55] <apachelogger> the code is already there for the better part
[20:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: nice :D
[20:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i much prefer vlc because of the vaapi implementation
[20:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: although sometimes i switch to phonon-mplayer with vdpau...
[20:56] <apachelogger> best of luck
[20:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: for?
[20:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i only use it sparsly, default phonon is vlc and gstreamer next
[20:58] <apachelogger> WITH REBUILDING
[20:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: rebuilding what?
[20:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: mplayer? if thats what your referring, mplayer already brings vdpau support by default
[20:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its vaapi in mplayer thats a pain to build as of now... dont know if mplayer is already updated in natty with vaapi support too
[20:59] <apachelogger> WITH REBUILDING PHONON
[20:59] <apachelogger> dear lawd
[21:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did you updated it?
[21:00] <apachelogger> I think so
[21:00] <_Groo_> recompiling..
[21:00] <_Groo_> hurra for ccache
[21:00] <_Groo_> k, completing the package, gonna see if stops crashing in a few secs
[21:01] <apachelogger> breakage in master is to be attributed to everyone else as I am on a different branch
[21:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: excuses excuses
[21:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: am i the only one testing this stuff anyway!???
[21:02] <apachelogger> yes
[21:02] <apachelogger> also I am throwing up all over the place
[21:02] <apachelogger> leading to a general state of thrown-up-upon
[21:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please avoid the screen.  You won't be able to read our words.
[21:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: drunk as usual :D
[21:02]  * _Groo_ is so jealous of apachelogger job...
[21:03] <apachelogger> actually
[21:03] <apachelogger> I am not drunk
[21:03] <apachelogger> and I have no classes tomorrow
[21:03] <apachelogger> so
[21:03] <apachelogger> that is a bit strange
[21:03]  * apachelogger could visit the nice chap at the gas station for a bit
[21:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you ARENT DRUNK???? oO
[21:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thats why you are sick!! QUICK RUN TO A LICOR STORE!!!
[21:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you are with a low stream of blood in your alchool veins! go fill it up!
[21:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: still crashing, sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/578521/
[21:12] <apachelogger> _Groo_: talk to skelet in #phonon
[21:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger:  :P
[21:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: brb
[22:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's shlibdepping now.
[22:05] <apachelogger> oh, so we have packages by easter, cool ^^
[22:12] <_Groo_> seeya tomorrow guys
[22:28] <ScottK> nixternal: I'm done for the moment, but I may need it tonight, so I didn't shut it down.
[22:28] <ScottK> Thanks again.
[23:03] <nixternal> ScottK: no prob, i will just leave it running. if you feel the need to shut it off, go ahead
[23:04] <nixternal> i replaced the power supply so you don't even hear it running anymore
[23:07] <apachelogger> it is like a cloak
[23:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: you are a magician
[23:07] <apachelogger> or klingon
[23:07] <apachelogger> depending on the POV
[23:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: there is no new rekonq in https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[23:23] <yofel> Riddell: wrong ppa https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/