[00:46] <StevenK> Bleh, webservice.patch is giving me 401 :-(
[01:08] <StevenK> How am getting ValueError: (<Bug at 0x112af190>, 'subscribe', 'launchpad.Edit'), the webservice is for the owner of the bug :-(
[01:10] <wgrant> StevenK: The owner doesn't always have access if it's private
[01:11] <StevenK> Which it isn't.
[01:14] <StevenK> wgrant: Diff is at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1195794/ , test output at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1195796/
[01:16] <wgrant> StevenK: Have you checked that webservice_for is not defaulting to an RO token?
[01:17] <lifeless> or anonymous ?
[01:17] <wgrant> It's not anonymous, since a person is being passed in
[01:19] <StevenK> Oh, bleh, I bet that's it.
[01:20] <StevenK> permission=OAuthPermission.READ_PUBLIC
[01:20] <StevenK> Yeah
[01:20] <wgrant> :D
[01:35] <StevenK> lifeless: You'll never guess what the fix is.
[01:39] <wgrant> Is it just a matter of checking in the subscriber if the modification event actually has any modifications?
[01:40] <lifeless> StevenK: don't use the API ?
[01:40] <StevenK> if event.edited_fields is None: return
[01:46] <StevenK> wallyworld, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/subscription-no-longer-updates/+merge/123467
[01:46] <wallyworld> StevenK: busy, will look soon
[02:09] <StevenK> wgrant: Do you think 1021773 and 1035338 could be dupes? I can not load the oops to compare them.
[02:11] <wgrant> StevenK: Yes, they're probably dupes
[02:12] <wgrant> And they're probably related to a lot of the scanner timeouts too
[02:12] <wgrant> Some thing or things are holding locks on branch for many seconds
[02:13] <wgrant> StevenK: What if edited_fields is an empty list or so?
[02:14] <wgrant> We probably just care if it evaluates to boolean false
[02:15] <StevenK> wgrant: I can change that bit
[02:17] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1195864/  Is that your only concern?
[02:20] <wgrant> StevenK: I think so
[02:20] <wgrant> StevenK: Are there similar subscribers on other objects?
[02:34] <StevenK> wgrant: I have no idea -- I didn't think anything but bugs used Zope subscribers.
[02:34] <StevenK> And I didn't know bugs used them until Friday afternoon.
[02:34] <wgrant> It's largely localised to Bugs, but I'd look around just in case
[02:34] <lifeless> bugs
[02:34] <lifeless> answers
[02:34] <lifeless> soyuz has some bits I think
[02:34] <lifeless> code
[02:35] <lifeless> localised, no, centre of gravity, yes.
[02:35] <wgrant> Soyuz doesn't really use them
[02:35] <wgrant> Certainly not for ObjectModifiedEvents
[02:35] <StevenK> Soyuz has one.
[02:35] <wgrant> Oh?
[02:35] <StevenK>     <subscriber
[02:35] <wgrant> In other news, where are my OOPS reports
[02:35] <StevenK>         for="lp.soyuz.interfaces.archivesubscriber.IArchiveSubscriber
[02:35] <StevenK>              lazr.lifecycle.interfaces.IObjectCreatedEvent"
[02:35] <StevenK>         handler="lp.soyuz.mail.notifications.notify_new_ppa_subscription"/>
[02:35] <wgrant> Ah
[02:37] <StevenK> wgrant: I can't think of a similar pattern off the top of my head, anyway. We call a method on X, don't modify X and return Y
[02:37] <wgrant> I'd look around for the other ObjectModifiedEvent subscribers and see what they do
[02:38] <wgrant> 24460 0 Archive:EntryResource:getPublishedBinaries
[02:38] <wgrant> ouch
[02:40] <lifeless> not deployed yet ?
[02:42] <wgrant> A couple of hours ago
[02:42] <wgrant> So tomorrow's report should be clean
[02:42] <wgrant> hopefully
[02:46] <StevenK> wgrant: Everything looks fine -- I'm not sure if subscribing to a branch over the API causes the same issue.
[02:57] <StevenK> wgrant: Which is immune, so everything is fine.
[02:59] <wgrant> OK
[02:59] <wgrant> r=me, thanks
[04:24] <lifeless> review plox: https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/js-oopsd/post/+merge/123474
[04:25] <lifeless> wallyworld: or StevenK: ^ wgrant, is obsessing on performance.
[04:26] <wgrant> Correctly obsessing; this missing index is at the root of all but one known disclosure performance regression :)
[04:26] <wallyworld> otp, just a sec
[04:36] <wallyworld> wgrant: what missing index is that?
[04:38]  * StevenK stabs bugactivity
[04:38] <lifeless> wallyworld: the inverse index on a M:M join table
[04:39] <wgrant> wallyworld: See #launchpad-ops. accesspolicygrant(grantee) isn't indexed, so finding a list of policies that a person can see uses accesspolicygrant(policy, grantee)
[04:39] <wallyworld> which M:M table?
[04:39] <wgrant> And takes 100ms rather than 1ms
[04:39] <wallyworld> ok
[04:39] <wgrant> This fixes all the branch access checks
[04:39] <wallyworld> excellent
[04:39] <wgrant> It possibly won't fix code.launchpad.net/ubuntu, as the MP query there is pretty obscene, but I have a simple query workaround for that
[05:09] <StevenK> Sigh, it's been so long since I've had do preloading, I've forgotten what to look for. :-(
[05:11]  * lifeless begs for a review
[05:14] <jam> lifeless: in your overview, you say any browser to do "POST" or "GET", but in your "Allow-Methods" header, you have "PUT", "DELETE", am I missing something there?
[05:18] <jam> and your test seems a little bit circular (rather than asserting what the actual content is, it asserts that the content matches the list that you say it should be)
[05:18] <jam> so if I put whatever I want it cors_headers, the test still passes.
[05:18] <jam> (vs saying "GET" is in the list of Access-Control-Allow-Methods)
[05:19] <jam> so it depends what you want to assert
[05:19] <lifeless> thats true
[05:19] <jam> if you are asserting that passing the cors_headers is hooked up == good
[05:19] <lifeless> I had a more specific test but perhaps over enthusiastically refactored
[05:19] <jam> asserting that it conforms to the spec == better.
[05:19] <lifeless> the it should be GET+POST
[05:20] <lifeless> jam: I'll a) fix the static set of headers and b) convert the preflight check to be manual rather than circular.
[05:21] <jam> lifeless: aside from that sanity check, I don't know that it is worth having *me* fully understand CORS, so I'll trust that we can iterate until everything works.
[05:21] <jam> (If it doesn't work properly in browsers, then we update the test suite until it does)
[05:22] <lifeless> I'm not sure anyone really understands CORS.
[05:22] <lifeless> I've not read a more confusing spec.
[05:22] <jam> lifeless: which is why I think iterating towards 'working' is good.
[05:22] <jam> As browsers may not conform at all to the spec either.
[05:22] <lifeless> that too
[05:22] <jam> confusing specs tend not to be followed by anyone very well :)
[05:27] <jam> lifeless: review posted
[05:28] <lifeless> jam: I've pushed a revised version
[05:28] <lifeless> jam: if there was nothing more in the review, it should be good
[05:29] <jam> lifeless: the only other thing I thought about, do we want to have a wide-open access policy?
[05:30] <lifeless> also need a review for https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-tools/bug-1048470/+merge/123480 please :)
[05:30] <lifeless> jam: yes.
[05:30] <jam> lifeless: mostly just making sure that was true. It might be good to have a code-level comment about it.
[05:30] <lifeless> jam: Folk that want to attack us can just ignore the policy entirely.
[05:30] <jam> as it looks like a security hole
[05:30] <jam> I thought it is probably ok
[05:30] <lifeless> jam: we can't ever trust the data we get for this service at all.
[05:31] <jam> lifeless: aiui, this is about the fact that launchpad.net may send out a javascript header, but we want to post the OOPS to oops.canonical.com, right?
[05:31] <jam> and anyone can just post to oops.canonical.com
[05:32] <jam> and this is just about telling javascript that it is ok that even though launchpad.net gave you the JS file, it can send data to oops.
[05:32] <lifeless> yes, or u1, or ...
[05:33] <jam> lifeless: so you've gotten an approve* from me
[05:33] <lifeless> tight rules are used to prevent query methods that return sensitive data, and are secured by cookies or whatever, from being fooled via CRSF attacks and the like
[05:33] <jam> not sure if you need someone official on it :)
[05:33] <lifeless> jam: you shold be official
[05:34] <lifeless> wallyworld: thanks! I totally don't know why I didn't thinkyou'd reviewed.
[05:34] <lifeless> wallyworld: slow mail day or something.
[05:35] <wallyworld> np
[05:35] <jam> lifeless: I've never been officially given the 'launchpad reviewer' title, at least that I can remember.
[05:36] <lifeless> jam: you're in the group; do you have a mentor reviewer to give you the LP magic sauce ?
[05:37] <StevenK> TAL, please die in a large chemical fire. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196061/
[05:38] <lifeless> wallyworld: if I can trouble you again .. https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-tools/bug-1048470/+merge/123480
[05:38] <jam> lifeless: https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/python-oops-tools/bug-1048470/+merge/123480 just to validate assumptions, the decoding of 'data' already maps things to Unicode, so that we don't have to worry that the data might be a UTF8 string that we are then doing .encode('utf8') on (which will break with the magic decode step).
[05:38] <lifeless> wallyworld: its about 4 lines of code
[05:38] <wallyworld> sure
[05:38] <lifeless> wallyworld: or... jam has it :P
[05:38] <lifeless> wallyworld: so no worries
[05:38] <lifeless> jam: right, its coming out of the ORM
[05:38] <lifeless> jam: so its always unicode.
[05:38] <lifeless> jam: its assigned slightly higher in the file
[05:38] <jam> lifeless: so the thing you changed was 'pageid' related, but the test is testing 'topic'.
[05:39] <lifeless> jam: topic in the wire protocol is mapped to pageid in the schema
[05:39] <lifeless> the schema is old and rather more LP centric than the wire protocol.
[05:39] <lifeless> creaky even
[05:39] <jam> lifeless: I don't think I've ever had an official mentor for obtaining LP secret sauce.
[05:40] <lifeless> jam: so, lets get you one. I know, gmb, he has nothing to do :P
[05:40] <lifeless> jam: you clearly know python and how to do code review; the only thing you need is to convince a mentor reviewer than you can tell the difference between code you grok and code that will contain surprising gems.
[05:41] <lifeless> lets see what tarmac thinks of that one
[05:42] <wallyworld> lifeless: should there also be a test for the utf8 encoded oopsid?
[05:47] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196061/
[05:47] <lifeless> wallyworld: mmm, I only changed that because the test I wrote caught it :)
[05:47] <lifeless> wallyworld: so, I don't think an explicit one is called for, no. This whole code could be radically improved by using a template engine.
[05:47] <wallyworld> ah, ok. gotta love tests :-)
[05:47] <wallyworld> +1 to the template engine
[05:47] <lifeless> yeah, I added the test to validate my assumption about the cause of the problem, and then fixed everything it uncovered.
[05:47] <lifeless> Stuff trying to understand this stuff :>
[05:48] <wgrant> StevenK: It's probably raising an AttributeError because your code is terrible
[05:48] <wgrant> Anywhere inside the attribute it complains about
[05:48] <wgrant> An AttributeError will just be squashed into that useless LocationError
[05:49] <StevenK> wgrant: I didn't think http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196075/ was terrible :-(
[05:50] <wgrant> StevenK: Possibly personID isn't on IBugActivity
[05:50] <wgrant> So it's not accessible
[05:52] <StevenK> ForbiddenAttribute: ('personID', <BugActivity at 0xc852410>)
[05:52] <StevenK> But it's there if you dropkick the security proxy
[05:53] <lifeless> that would be the attribute not being on the interface
[05:54] <StevenK> It's SQLBase, so I have no idea why it isn't.
[05:54] <lifeless> because they aren't magic.
[05:55] <lifeless> They have to be explicitly listed like all other attributes.
[06:08] <wgrant> The interface is not SQLBase
[06:08] <wgrant> SQLBase only affects the model
[06:08] <StevenK> Yeah, I realized after lifeless' comment
[06:09] <StevenK> wallyworld, wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/bugtask-activity-preload/+merge/123484
[06:10] <wgrant> StevenK: Do you really care about just ValidPersonCache?
[06:10] <wgrant> You probably want the Person too
[06:10] <wgrant> Which means you want PersonSet.getPrecachedPersonsFromIDs
[06:11] <StevenK> wgrant: It's strange, if I did load_related(Person, ...) the query count went to 15.
[06:22] <wgrant> wallyworld: I was able to reproduce the request a review bug on prod a couple of hours ago
[06:22] <wgrant> wallyworld: It works fine until you click to submit
[06:22] <wgrant> Then it just disappears and does nothing
[06:22] <wallyworld> wgrant: worked for me locally
[06:22] <wallyworld> i didn't hit submit on prod, i'll try on qas
[06:22] <wgrant> wallyworld: With the yui 3.5 FF set?
[06:23] <wallyworld> i think so, unless i've remade my schema, which i may have done
[06:23] <wallyworld> the bug said the link wasn't even clickable
[06:23] <wallyworld> which is not the case anymore
[06:24] <wgrant> It doesn't say that the link was unclickable
[06:24] <wgrant> It even says "I was trying to request lifeless review a db patch branch.", which suggests it died post-input
[06:24] <wallyworld> it says the console shows an error when it is clicked
[06:24] <wallyworld> which implies the link didn't work
[06:24] <wgrant> It doesn't say anything about clicking, just that the green link was being used
[06:25] <wallyworld> how do you ue a link without clicking it?
[06:25] <wgrant> You don't, but it doesn't say it failed during the clicking of the link
[06:25] <wgrant> Just that it failed some time while using the functionality behind that link
[06:26] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196108/ when preloading Person only
[06:26] <wallyworld> sure, but i seem to have a recollection i saw the same issue and the link itself didn;t work
[06:26] <wgrant> wallyworld: Hm, I've never seen that
[06:26] <wgrant> StevenK: But it does reduce the query count somewhat?
[06:27] <StevenK> wgrant: It does not. It goes from 13 to 15.
[06:27] <wgrant> Oh
[06:27] <wgrant> I wonder if you're failing to invalidate the cache properly
[06:27] <StevenK> 97+ Store.of(bug).flush()
[06:27] <StevenK> ^ Not sufficent?
[06:27] <wgrant> flush is not invalidate
[06:27] <wgrant> flush flushes
[06:27] <wgrant> invalidate invalidates :)
[06:29] <wallyworld> wgrant: submitting a review request works fine on qas too
[06:30] <wgrant> wallyworld: Ah, qastaging only has 3.5.1 enabled for rick
[06:31] <wallyworld> :-( i assumed it was on for everyone in lp
[06:31] <wgrant> Likewise, but I just checked and it's not :(
[06:32] <wallyworld> bollocks
[06:32] <wgrant> Heh, we just passed MP 123456 a few hours ago
[06:33] <wgrant> wallyworld: Try rerequesting a review from lifeless on https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/i-am-stupid/+merge/123478
[06:34] <wallyworld> yep, so that failed
[06:37] <StevenK> wgrant: So my numbers were off. Slightly
[06:37] <StevenK> wgrant: Putting in list(getUtility(IPersonSet).getPrecachedPersonsFromIDs(
[06:37] <StevenK> ids, need_validity=True))
[06:38] <StevenK> Still has a bunch of queries against ValidPersonCache
[06:38] <wgrant> That's very odd
[06:38] <wgrant> The same number of queries?
[06:39] <StevenK> So with no preloading, 50 bugactivity rows is 109 queries. With that getPrecachedPersonsFromIDs, it drops to 33.
[06:39] <wgrant> Oh, 50?
[06:39] <wgrant> You can't test with 50
[06:39] <wgrant> The dev storm cache size is only like 100
[06:40] <StevenK> Why not?
[06:40] <wgrant> Also, that's going to be slow even if the cache is huge :)
[06:40] <wgrant> No point going above, say, 5
[06:40] <StevenK> My original test had 10
[06:42] <StevenK> 10 bugactivity rows drops from 29 queries to 7.
[06:42] <wgrant> That sounds roughly correct, right?
[06:42] <StevenK> Yeah
[06:43] <StevenK> wgrant: Well, 5 rows is 7 queries, as is 10. Which is good.
[06:43] <wgrant> Yes :)
[06:43] <StevenK> wgrant: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1196125/
[06:44] <wgrant> StevenK: I'd inline the list comp, but otherwise good
[06:44] <StevenK> Ah yes, that would work.
[06:46] <StevenK> Haha, wallyworld approved it 32 minutes ago, I just didn't notice.
[06:46] <wgrant> Heh, so he did
[06:47] <wgrant> I was right, though :)
[06:47] <StevenK> Not disputing that one bit.
[07:40] <adeuring> good morning
[07:50] <StevenK> wgrant: Heh, if not event.edited_fields is not quite the solution -- the 313 failures from ec2 attests to that.
[08:28] <wgrant> stub: Morning
[09:44] <wgrant> stub: Could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/i-am-stupid/+merge/123478?
[09:44] <lifeless> wgrant: love the name
[09:45] <wgrant> I try.
[09:45] <mgz> such a let down, just missing indicies
[09:45] <nigelb> lol
[09:45] <nigelb> Shouldn't it go into db-devel or something?
[09:46] <wgrant> Nah, nowadays indices go to devel and get applied live, without downtime
[09:46] <nigelb> Ooooh. Exciting :D
[09:47] <stub> k
[09:48] <stub> wgrant: Not stupid, I was hoping the primary key indexes would make these unnecessary
[09:49] <wgrant> The only really important one is apg(grantee, policy), and it was pretty obvious that that was necessary from the start, but I apparently forgot to create it
[09:49] <stub> well... grantor is needed or person merge explodes
[09:49] <stub> yeah, but the (policy, grantee) would often be usable instead of the inverse
[09:50] <stub> These can go live now?
[09:50] <wgrant> Please
[09:50] <wgrant> I will be watching the DBR clear up immediately :)
[09:51] <wgrant> Well
[09:51] <wgrant> I would be if my Yubikey wasn't flashing angrily at me
[09:51] <czajkowski> hah
[09:53] <wgrant> This is inconvenient
[09:54] <czajkowski> usually I have to go find my phone and hope it's charged
[09:54] <stub> wgrant: Might be worth making the compound indexes UNIQUE?
[09:54] <stub> wgrant: Don't think it makes any difference now, but a future planner might notice.
[09:54] <wgrant> stub: Right, it doesn't make any difference now.
[09:54] <wgrant> But I could...
[09:54] <wgrant> Possibly a good idea
[09:54] <stub> yeah
[09:57]  * wgrant does so
[09:59] <wgrant> stub: That's done
[09:59] <wgrant> Diff not updated yet, though
[10:01] <wgrant> Hm
[10:01] <wgrant> Do we still call unique indices __key?
[10:01] <wgrant> Rather than __idx?
[10:04] <stub> yeah, __key
[10:07] <wgrant> stub: Done
[10:07] <wgrant> I think that's it...
[10:09] <jelmer> mgz: your summon worked!
[10:09] <mgz> magic :)
[10:14] <stub> wgrant: All done on production
[10:14] <stub> and qastaging
[10:16] <wgrant> stub: Thanks
[10:17] <wgrant> branch and APG will hopefully drop off the top of the DBR's Most Read Tables list...
[10:29] <wgrant> Well, APG is dropping to nothing, but branch is still terrible :(
[11:58] <wgrant> stub: So, I see 9.2 has been released... just as we are almost completely migrated to 9.1 :)
[11:59] <rick_h_> chaining repliate ftw!
[12:59] <jam> benji: poke about lpsetup. It appears that my patch cannot land because the tarmac process is broken?
[12:59] <jam> (someone said that if a patch breaks, it doesn't teardown the lxc instance, so the next submission will fail because the lxc is still there)
[13:00] <jam> I'm not entirely sure who to talk to, but I figured starting with someone on yellow might be reasonable.
[13:00] <benji> jam: hmm, I hadn't heard of that; I'll see what I can do about it
[13:01] <jam> benji: https://code.launchpad.net/~jameinel/lpsetup/missing_lxc_1045728/+merge/122663 is the merge request
[13:01] <benji> bac: are you aware of such a problem? ^^^
[13:01] <jam> the failure from tarmac was 'juju', 'bootstrap', '-e', 'lpsetup-testing-lxc' was failing.
[13:04] <bac> benji, jam: the first thing to do is to ssh into the machine and have a look around.
[13:04] <bac> you should be able to 'ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS> you'll need your .ssh/config configured like https://pastebin.canonical.com/74130/
[13:05] <benji> ok, I'll take a look
[13:05] <jam> bac: as user 'ubuntu' or as user 'tarmac' ?
[13:08] <bac> jam: tarmac is easiest.  either works and both have sudo.
[13:12] <bac> jam: did you get access to the machine?
[13:12] <jam> bac: otp now, will try later.
[13:13] <benji> bac: I did.  No lxc containers are running, no juju environment was bootstrapped.  I bootstrapped the test env and it seemed to work fine. (and then I destroyed it)
[13:14] <benji> is there some way I can re-run the merge request?
[13:15] <bac> benji: yes.  the log file is in ~/.config/tarmac/tarmac.log.  grep for Merging and it'll show you the branch name
[13:15] <bac> cd ~/repos/lpsetup/trunk
[13:15] <bac> hey benji, wanna use tb?
[13:17] <benji> bac: termbeamer is up and sending you my session
[13:42] <benji> bac: juju appears to be hung waiting for the unit to come up
[13:43] <benji> juju status times out
[13:44] <czajkowski> bac: ello when do you guys have your stand up?
[13:46] <bac> czajkowski: 1600Z
[13:46] <bac> why?
[13:47] <bac> benji: that's ungood.
[13:48] <bac> benji: we could bounce the instance but that doesn't solve the problem.
[13:50] <benji> bac: yeah; I was hoping youhad seen this before; let me investigate some more and see if I can get closer to a root cause
[13:52] <czajkowski> bac: might be good to join a few in case we have over lap on stuff
[13:52] <czajkowski> given you're now on maintenance no ?
[13:54] <stub> wgrant: Yup, but still waiting for a point release or two.
[13:55] <bac> benji: ok.  if you ever want to bounce it, just use 'poweroff' in the instance and then the startup script in ./bin on your local machine
[13:57] <benji> bac: where is the startup script?
[13:58] <bac> in the config branch in bin
[13:58] <bac> benji: lp:lp-tarmac-configs
[13:58] <benji> cool, thanks
[14:16] <rick_h_> deryck: ping, when you get a sec then I want to sanity check the +newproduct ProjectGroup vs +new and Product
[14:17] <rick_h_> deryck: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/782/ for the quick rundown on the bits fitting together
[14:26] <deryck> rick_h_, looking
[14:28] <deryck> rick_h_, so looking at that, it seems to me you only care about getting allowed types in the second step if the context is IProduct.
[14:29] <deryck> rick_h_, or else you could have the same method on IProject that only returns Public.
[14:29] <rick_h_> deryck: right, ok that sounds good
[16:28] <benji> bac: how long should the inttance take to start?  it has been around 30 minutes of "[localhost] local: scp -r -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no * <IP_ADDRESS>:"
[16:30]  * benji gets some lunch.
[17:18] <deryck> lifeless, ping. wondering if my 10.4 second db patch, according to dbupragde.log is okay for deployment.
[17:22] <rick_h_> benji: mp for you if you get a sec: https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/pp_register/+merge/122666
[17:23] <rick_h_> deryck: I left the fake attribute in there with an XXX for the db side since I figured it was more ugly to try to dynamically add in the @property conditionally
[17:24] <deryck> rick_h_, it's all behind a feature flag, too, right?
[17:24] <rick_h_> deryck: right
[17:24] <deryck> ok
[17:24] <benji> rick_h_: sure; it will be a while though
[17:25] <rick_h_>  benji no hurry, thanks
[17:25] <rick_h_> deryck: and since I'm using an @property and you'll have a db attribute there shouldn't be much to resolve no matter who gets in first for conflict stuff.
[17:26] <deryck> rick_h_, right.  sounds fine to me, but I'll defer to benji for the real review.
[17:26] <rick_h_> deryck: right, just fyi your way
[17:26] <deryck> gotchas
[17:40] <benji> bac: I can't get the tarmac container to start; do you mind trying for me?
[17:43] <bac> benji: can you ssh to it?
[17:47] <benji> bac: nope
[17:47] <bac> benji: you did try by ip addr?
[17:48] <benji> bac: nope; let me find it (I don't have it on hand)
[17:49] <benji> found it
[17:50] <benji> bac: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>fails with "Permission denied (publickey)."
[17:51] <bac> benji: yep, don't use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:51] <bac> he's probably not created yet.  if you don't specify you log in as ubuntu
[18:04] <benji> bac: "ssh <IP_ADDRESS>" still gives me "Permission denied (publickey)."
[18:07] <bac> benji: uhg
[18:39] <lifeless> deryck: definitely not
[18:40] <lifeless> deryck: we're looking for 4-5 seconds max IIRC the math correctly.
[18:40] <lifeless> deryck: which patch was it
[18:40] <lifeless> ?
[18:59] <abentley> lifeless: I believe deryck meant https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/product-db-changes-for-privacy/+merge/122941
[18:59] <deryck> lifeless, yeah, it's 2209-33-1, the specification_sharing_policy column.
[18:59] <deryck> lifeless, I have no idea how to get a single column add any faster. :)
[19:00] <deryck> lifeless, sorry for the delay, but I've got pool people here to give and estimate on my pool servicing.  I need to step away again, but won't be too long.
[19:11] <lifeless> deryck: you're fine, a close inspection shows we have a time reporting bug.
[19:12] <lifeless> 2012-09-10 00:40:09 INFO    Applying /srv/staging.launchpad.net/staging/launchpad/database/schema/patch-2209-23-1.sql
[19:12] <lifeless> 2012-09-10 00:40:20 INFO    Applying /srv/staging.launchpad.net/staging/launchpad/database/schema/patch-2209-31-1.sql
[19:12] <lifeless> 23-1 took 11 seconds
[19:12] <lifeless> I need to see what that is.
[19:12] <lifeless> it might be wgrants index, in which case it went on concurrently on prod and we can ignore it.
[19:14] <lifeless> deryck: which is is, so your patch is fine, it isn't 11 seconds long.
[19:15] <lifeless> deryck: could you please file a bug about this? It will confuse others..
[19:15] <lifeless> probably fallout from slony
[19:29] <bac> benji: i was able to restart the c'stack instance with no problem.  did you update your env per the instructions on the internal wiki?
[19:29] <benji> bac: by sourcing ~/.canonistack/novarc?  if so, yes
[19:30] <bac> benji: in .canonistack do you have a benji_lcy01.key or just benji.key?
[19:30] <benji> bac: benji_lcy01.key
[19:30] <bac> benji: ok, then, i'm not sure what the problem is
[19:30] <bac> maybe later we can use a termbeamer to see what is going on
[19:31] <benji> bac: that'd be great; ping me when you have a moment
[19:32] <abentley> deryck: Can we chat?
[19:41] <deryck> lifeless, sure, I can file a bug.
[19:41] <deryck> abentley, sure.
[19:42] <abentley> deryck: Okay, g+ hangout.
[19:43] <deryck> ok, coming now....
[19:44] <lifeless> gary_poster: I've fixed (just pushed to trunk now) a bug in testrepository causing test times to be badly undercounted when the stream isn't timed. I think this won't affect paralleltest due to the subunit stream from zope being timed, but if it isn't timed, then I'm wrong, and you would want the fix.
[19:45] <gary_poster> lifeless, cool!  it is timed for us because we pass -vvv (or something silly like that) to bin/test, but might be helpful for us even in other situations.
[19:47] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/testrepository/+bug/1048126 for reference
[19:47] <_mup_> Bug #1048126: Test times of untimestamped streams are bogus <Testrepository:Triaged by lifeless> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048126 >
[20:04] <lifeless> flacoste: hi ?
[20:04] <flacoste> hi lifeless
[20:04] <lifeless> we on ?
[20:04] <flacoste> we are
[20:05] <lifeless> hah
[20:06] <lifeless> thats something skype handles better
[20:06] <lifeless> when both sides call
[20:06] <lifeless> I'll start a fresh fresh one
[20:06] <flacoste> lifeless: hang on, i'm with google on the phone (search broken)
[20:06] <lifeless> ok
[20:07] <lifeless> grab me whenever
[20:15] <flacoste> lifeless: can you send me a new invite?
[20:16] <lifeless> sure
[20:18] <lifeless> flacoste: you should have it...
[21:04] <bac> benji: still around?
[21:04] <benji> bac: just :)
[21:04] <bac> benji: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ef48f894900cf80079fb2996e64e6b0ae17df36d?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[21:05] <benji> bac: I'm afraid I'm away from my hangout setup; mind if we do it in the morning?
[21:05] <bac> benji: nope.  have a good evening.
[21:05] <benji> thanks; you too!


[03:10] <sevfen> any1 an arch linux and lubuntu user? I'm wondering which will boot faster and feel most responsive for a netbook.
[03:10] <sevfen> arch with lxde that is
[03:27] <stlsaint> sevfen: is this in regards to what you were talking about in #crunchbang
[04:48] <sevfen> @stlsaint yes it is
[04:48] <meetingology> sevfen: Error: "stlsaint" is not a valid command.
[05:30] <bioterror> haha
[05:30] <bioterror> gsus
[05:30] <bioterror> life is so hectic that 2 seconds faster boot time matters
[05:30] <hyperair> it's hard to care about 2 seconds when your system takes 2 minutes to boot.
[05:31] <hyperair> well that's the situation for me, at least
[05:31] <hyperair> so i never shutdown.
[05:31] <hyperair> 2 seconds less for resuming for suspend would be good, (it currently takes 2 seconds to resume)
[05:37] <bioterror> my dell d420 resumes instantly
[05:37] <hyperair> heh
[05:39] <bioterror> i like it
[05:39] <bioterror> but blank plymouth sucks
[05:39] <bioterror> i rather watch inits
[05:40] <bioterror> like in the 90s
[05:41] <hyperair> lol
[05:41] <hyperair> get a nice plymouth theme that spams shit
[05:43] <bioterror> :D
[05:43] <bioterror> why not just remove and init?
[05:45] <hyperair> because plymouth is irreversibly glued to init
[05:45] <hyperair> at least in ubuntu
[05:45] <hyperair> they really coupled it tightly together
[05:45] <hyperair> the server guys were not very happy
[05:45] <bioterror> haha
[05:46] <bioterror> i can imagine
[17:48] <pip_> I see the 11.04 alpha 1 is about, or have I got that wrong? If it is where can I get it from please?
[17:50] <bioterror> it was mentioned on mailing list
[17:51] <bioterror> i made do-release-upgrade -d
[17:52] <pip_> ahhhhhh, I was hoping for an iso to dual boot if I'm honest. I never even thought of doing an upgrade
[17:52] <pip_> thanks bioterror
[17:53] <bioterror> im on phone
[17:53] <bioterror> so im not going to dig that for ya
[17:53] <bioterror> but i can aftwr a while
[17:53] <pip_> no probs
[17:53] <pip_> oh okay thanks
[17:54] <bioterror> Torrent:
[17:54] <bioterror> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso.torrent
[17:54] <bioterror> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-natty-alpha1.iso
[17:54] <bioterror> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[17:54] <bioterror> i had nothing better to do
[17:56] <pip_> thats fantastic, thanks very much bioterror I appreciate it :-)
[17:58] <nicofs2> how do i persistently  change my screen resolution using xorg.conf? i don't understand "man xorg.conf" or the tutorials i found...
[17:58] <bioterror> uno momento
[17:59] <bioterror> i need computer
[18:02] <bioterror> nico, trying to get my daughter to sleep
[18:02] <bioterror> wont take long :D
[18:02] <nicofs2> np - i appreciate any help...
[18:03] <bioterror> whats your desired resolution?
[18:05] <nicofs2> 1280*720
[18:05] <nicofs2> a friend of mine made it work - but as soon as i restart, it will be gone again. so i need to make it persistent via xorg.conf...
[18:05] <bioterror> have you configured xorg.conf already?
[18:06] <nicofs2> and i don't have the slightest idea how to do that...
[18:06] <nicofs2> afaik not
[18:07] <bioterror> go to tty
[18:07] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1
[18:07] <bioterror> log in
[18:07] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm stop
[18:07] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[18:08] <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:08] <bioterror> sudo lxdm start
[18:08] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f7
[18:08] <nicofs2> i better copy that to paper then... ;-)
[18:09] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm start
[18:09] <bioterror> i ment
[18:12] <nicofs2> thanks... will try that in a moment...
[18:12] <bioterror> okay
[18:12] <bioterror> we need to tweak that then
[18:13] <bioterror> when youre back in graphics
[18:13] <nicofs2> ok... hang on...
[18:15] <basso> hows it going to canonicalization? :D
[18:16] <bioterror> hi
[18:16] <bioterror> you were fast
[18:17] <nicofs2> well "xorg - command not found"
[18:17] <bioterror> Xorg
[18:17] <bioterror> case sensitive
[18:17] <nicofs2> case sensitive... i always fall for that...
[18:17] <nicofs2> ;-)... my bad... hang on...
[18:20] <nicofs2> ok... now it worked - i was sensitive enough^^
[18:20] <bioterror> do we have a conf now?
[18:20] <nicofs2> yes we do
[18:20] <bioterror> !pastebin | nicofs2
[18:20] <bioterror> pastebin xorg.conf for me
[18:24] <nicofs2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/539774/
[18:28] <nicofs2> i'm quite slow today - i made the mistake of installing lubuntu in german... and i'm used to english - everything has a different name and is in a different place... *confusion*
[18:28] <bioterror> took a while, since I had to start computer
[18:29] <bioterror> hahaha
[18:29] <bioterror> I know that feeling
[18:29] <bioterror> I dont talk finnish with computers too
[18:31] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:31] <nicofs2> no problem... trying to get tv to work in the meantime...
[18:33] <bioterror> nicofs2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/539777/
[18:33] <bioterror> try that out
[18:35] <nicofs2> need to reboot anyway...
[18:35] <bioterror> nicofs2, when you have modified your xorg.conf to look like that
[18:35] <bioterror> you can just sudo service lxdm restart
[18:36] <nicofs2> do you know a good (digital) tv software for LXDE?
[18:36] <nicofs2> just to watch dvb-t
[18:38] <pip_> b back later
[18:41] <bioterror> nicofs2, http://www.linuxdvb.tv/software/apps/
[18:41] <bioterror> nicofs2, could you please confirm does it work
[18:44] <nicofs2> will reboot as soon as the installation it done...
[18:50] <bioterror> does it work?
[18:51] <nicofs2> yes, it does...
[18:51] <bioterror> you're welcome
[18:54] <nicofs2> thanks a lot, mate!
[20:58] <pip_> can anyone direct me to a download for 11.04 alpha1, I seem to have screwed up the burn & i've left the files on a box at my parent's place.  MD5 would be useful too
[22:10] <bioterror> pip, check the logs from ubuntu site :D


 Email client is thunderbird
[00:43] <forer_> is there any way of transfering emails and settings?
[00:43] <SPooN> download Thunderbird.
[00:43] <SPooN> it'll work on Linux!
[00:43]  * SPooN yay
[00:43] <forer_> I didn't want to use thunderbird on this computer though
[00:43] <forer_> unless the ubuntu thing in the top right actually will let that work
[00:44] <aveilleux> forer_: I don't think you can transfer between clients like that.
[00:44] <forer_> I hear it works commonly with everything [BUT] thunderbird
[00:44] <aveilleux> forer_: The Messaging Center works fine with Thunderbird
[00:44] <forer_> oh, snazzy
[00:44] <aveilleux> forer_: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/how-to-add-thunderbird-to-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu/
[00:44] <SPooN> I never use the Broadcast accounts...
[00:44] <forer_> thanks
[00:45] <SPooN> don't get how it works
[00:46] <aveilleux> SPooN: I don't use them either, I actually don't use the messaging icon at all
[00:47] <SPooN> I technically logged into facebook with it, but I never get any notifications from it
[00:47] <forer_> I don't plan on using the broadcaster but the email I rarely check and I'm hoping it gives indications of new e-mails
[00:48] <aveilleux> forer_: Thunderbird has FireTray, you can use that instead.
[00:48] <forer_> huh
[00:48] <aveilleux> forer_: It's a plugin for Thunderbird that lets it minimize into the tray
[00:48] <forer_> cool
[00:48] <forer_> is there a package for it?
[00:49] <forer_> and how would I remove the messaging icon then?
[00:49] <aveilleux> forer_: Um, it's a Thunderbird plugin. Go to Tools > Add-Ons and click Find Add Ons and install Firetray.
[00:50] <aveilleux> forer_: To get rid of the messaging icon, you have to remove the... uh.. app it's contained in. I forget the name. But right-click > remove from panel. You'll lose your volume control app BUT there's a way to get that back.
[00:51] <forer_> that's fine
[00:51] <forer_> I'm on a laptop with fn+volume up and fn+volume down that works
[00:51] <aveilleux> forer_: I can walk you through that if you want
[00:51] <aveilleux> okay
[00:51] <forer_> so I don't use them
[00:53] <forer_> also just to doublecheck
[00:53] <forer_> I'm not expecting anyone to do an indepth doctorial essay on why this will or will not work but at a quick glance I should be able to just do this in reverse right? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=893617
[00:53] <aveilleux> forer_: Yes, that works.
[00:54] <aveilleux> forer_: Although if it's from Vista or 7 (not XP) the location is C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
[01:16] <forer_> sorry stepped out a bit
[01:16] <forer_> and yeah it's 7, I'll find that quick
[01:20] <forer_> Sorry, remind me, apparently the thunderbird folder is /home/%user%/.thunderbird
[01:20] <forer_> the . means it's hidden right?
[01:20] <forer_> how do I access it in a file browser?
[01:20] <head_victim> forer_: yes you usually have to press control + h
[01:20] <forer_> thanks
[01:21] <aveilleux> forer_: You can also type ctrl+L and type the /.whatever
[01:23] <forer_> ahh, works fine now. thanks guys
[01:31] <SPooN> anyone know any good VM's that work on 10.10?
[01:31] <aveilleux> SPooN: Uh, VirtualBox.
[01:37] <SPooN> how do you run executable files...
[01:44] <antinatter> What is ubuntu?
[01:44] <pleia2> the ubuntu referred to here is an operating system
[01:46] <antinatter> Oh thanks
[01:46] <antinatter> What's it used for?
[01:47] <mbergamo> SPooN: May I ask what you are trying to install? You can usually find the same (or a similarly suitable) program that is made for GNU/Linux systems such as Ubuntu.
[01:47] <SPooN> I'm trying to run unetbootin
[01:48] <SPooN> Startup Disk Creator seems to be working though
[01:48] <SPooN> sooner or later I need to learn to use a VM to test this stuff instead of rebooting constantly...
[01:49] <aveilleux> SPooN: um... executable files are specific to the operating system. If it's a Linux executable, it's referred to as a "binary".
[01:49] <mbergamo> SPooN: If there is only an .exe you can use Wine
[01:49] <pleia2> SPooN: if it's not in the menu anywhere, you can just open a terminal and type: unetbootin
[01:49] <aveilleux> SPooN: Did you not see my suggestion to use VirtualBox above?
[01:49] <SPooN> yes, unsure as to how to get it to work though
[01:49] <mbergamo> SPooN: www.winehq.org/download/deb
[01:49] <aveilleux> SPooN: What's confusing you?
[01:50] <aveilleux> SPooN: You hit "new", select the OS, mount the startup disc (in the machine properties) and boot to the CD. Then the virtual machine runs just like a normal computer, but it's virtual.
[01:50] <SPooN> Oracle VM VirtualBOx right?
[01:50] <SPooN> what OS do you want to chose? mint 10 doesn't show up
[01:51] <SPooN> aveilleux^^
[01:51] <aveilleux> SPooN: Mint is based on Ubuntu.
[01:52] <SPooN> so ubuntu 64bit?
[01:52] <aveilleux> SPooN: Whatever version you're using, yes.
[01:52] <SPooN> ok
[01:53] <SPooN> do I want to Boot Hard Disk > Create new disk?
[01:53] <antinatter> Is ubuntu used for any particular devices?
[01:53] <aveilleux> SPooN: Uh, yes.
[01:53] <SPooN> antinatter... Laptops?
[01:54] <aveilleux> antinatter: Ubuntu is an operating system. It runs on the same hardware as Windows and Apple OSX.
[01:54] <aveilleux> antinatter: Think of it as being a replacement for Windows.
[01:54] <SPooN> dynamically expanding or fixed? (you see that I have no idea what I'm doing here right)
[01:54] <antinatter> Ok thanks
[01:54] <aveilleux> SPooN: Just pick the default options.
[01:54] <aveilleux> antinatter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_OS  When in doubt, Wikipedia.
[01:54] <antinatter> Thanks aveilleux
[01:55] <aveilleux> SPooN: When you choose the OS in the first step, the options are selected for you. You can choose all of the default options and run without trouble.
[01:56] <SPooN> aveilleux: it doesn't let me choose the USB to boot off of?
[01:56] <aveilleux> SPooN: What? Why are you trying to boot off of USB? You don't need to. You can boot into the disc image you downloaded from the Mint wensite.
[01:56] <aveilleux> website*
[01:57] <SPooN> how...
[01:57] <aveilleux> SPooN: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[01:58] <SPooN> thank you.
[01:58] <SPooN> Sorry I"m clueless :P
[02:03] <SPooN> aveilleux I still don't get it... No idea where you can enter in to get the .iso to boot off of
[02:04] <aveilleux> SPooN: Open up the VM's settings and go to Storage. Select the CD drive, hit the folder icon. Browse.
[02:05] <SPooN> aveilleux: doesn't work
[02:05] <SPooN> /home/alexandre/Desktop/unetbootin-linux-494
[02:05] <SPooN> crap
[02:05] <aveilleux> ....
[02:05] <aveilleux> You should not be selecting anything from unetbootn.
[02:06] <aveilleux> This is completely unrelated to unetbootn.
[02:06] <SPooN> ailed to open the CD/DVD image /home/alexandre/Desktop/unetbootin-linux-494.
[02:06] <SPooN> Could not open the medium '/home/alexandre/Desktop/unetbootin-linux-494'.
[02:06] <SPooN> VD: error VERR_VD_RAW_INVALID_HEADER opening image file '/home/alexandre/Desktop/unetbootin-linux-494' (VERR_VD_RAW_INVALID_HEADER).
[02:06] <aveilleux> Yes, that's because that's not a disc image
[02:06] <aveilleux> also
[02:06] <aveilleux> !pastebin | SPooN
[02:06] <ubot2> SPooN: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[02:07] <SPooN> aveilleux: got it working
[02:07] <SPooN> aveilleux: thanks for your help and patience
[02:07] <aveilleux> SPooN: Not problem
[02:08] <aveilleux> not a problem*
[02:09] <SPooN> hmm microphone doesn't work in Mint.
[02:15] <SPooN> can you dual boot Mint and Ubuntu?
[02:17] <aveilleux> SPooN: Considering they're both Linux distributions? Yes.
[02:17] <SPooN> well I mean I knew you could dualboot X/Windows + Linux. wasn't sure about two linux at once
[02:18] <SPooN> is the VM supposed to be so small aveilleux?
[02:18] <aveilleux> SPooN: I assume by "small" you mean "low-resolution". Yes, that's how Linux is without graphics drivers.
[02:19] <SPooN> ok. once I install or dualboot off of USB would it be normal res?
[02:20] <SPooN> hmm it keeps randomly crashing
[02:20] <SPooN> SPooN is now AWAY
[02:22] <aveilleux> SPooN: Uh, what? Booting off USB isn't dual-booting.
[02:32] <SPooN> SPooN is now BACK
[02:33] <SPooN> aveilleux: what is dualbooting to you?
[02:34] <aveilleux> SPooN: "Dual booting" means to install two operating systems side-by-side on the same host machine. Booting off of a USB stick or CD does not constitute dual-booting.
[02:37] <Mohan_chml> SPooN, For a beginner, it is difficult to shift to Ubuntu on a single day. so When one is with M$ or MAC for more than years, we first advise them to try Live CD, then install Ubuntu as a dual boot so that they can shift to the other OS if any urge. and when one thinks he/she don't need the previous OS, they can make a single boot =]
[02:38] <Mohan_chml> Hola aveilleux
[02:38] <aveilleux> Hello Mohan_chml
[02:40] <Mohan_chml> aveilleux, we were talking to each other and not to him :D
[03:01] <SPooN> k so mint is looking pretty awesome.
[03:01] <SPooN> just that in VM it crashes quit a bit hope thats only VM
[04:47] <trhisdone> hello
[04:47] <bioterror> hi
[04:50] <trhisdone> does anyone know how to hide the "boot information" im setting up a box for my daughter and i want it to boot right into ubuntu....right now there is a screen for 9secsods with choices then a login prompt and finally the ubuntu login
[04:50] <bioterror> yes
[04:51] <trhisdone> i dont want her messing with those
[04:51] <bioterror> just a moment
[04:51] <bioterror> last week we did this ;D
[04:51] <trhisdone> i know how to make the ubuntu login automatic but i dont want any of the other stuff up there either
[04:52] <bioterror> /etc/default/grub
[04:52] <bioterror> GRUB_TIMEOUT=10
[04:52] <bioterror> change that to 0
[04:53] <trhisdone> thanks
[04:54] <trhisdone> i finally got everything working, the sound card and printer were the hardest,,and my old usb wireless adapter that i found out will only do wep
[04:54] <bioterror> hahaha
[04:54] <bioterror> I've got wep too
[04:54] <trhisdone> spent an hour trying to connect with wpa
[04:55] <trhisdone> the messed up thing is the manual says it can do wpa
[04:55] <bioterror> Nintendo DS supports only WEP (or used to be!) and some old cards too
[04:55] <trhisdone> but it never did connect till i changed to wep
[04:55] <trhisdone> but thats not ubuntu's fault
[04:56] <PCChris> How do I start notification-daemon after I killed it because it glitched up?
[04:57] <PCChris> nvm, it may have started itself back up xD
[04:57] <bioterror> well laters, gotta flee to the train station ;)
[04:57] <trhisdone> thanks for the help
[04:58] <trhisdone> man the stuff people get rid of... i picked up a 2.8ghz p4 with 2gb ram, 160gb hard drive and dvd burner for $40
[05:01] <trhisdone> im still holding onto 10 new in the wrap zip disks....lol
[05:01] <trhisdone> maybe they can go in a musem some day
[05:20] <bioterror> remember to enable hyper threading
[05:20] <bioterror> trhisdone,
[05:20] <trhisdone> its show 2 processors in the system monitor so i think it sees the hyper threading
[05:20] <bioterror> yes
[05:20] <trhisdone> is there something else i have to do?
[05:21] <bioterror> not really, i think
[05:21] <trhisdone> ok
[05:21] <trhisdone> i got it setup with an xp theme so it looks similar to what she has used...she is only 8
[05:23] <bioterror> niice
[05:23] <bioterror> did you install edubuntu or what?
[05:23] <trhisdone> no just 10.04
[05:24] <trhisdone> as long as she can play some games and watch youtube she will be happy
[05:26] <UndiFineD> trhisdone, my kids have no issue switching between linux and windows, mosly elder / adult people find it much harder
[05:27] <UndiFineD> actually, showing the difference makes it eassier to recognize which platform the kid uses
[05:28] <trhisdone> i justed wanted something simple....push this button....click on this....youtube voila
[05:28] <trhisdone> some of those sites the kids go to are loaded with virus and spyware
[05:30] <trhisdone> she was on one with some pony where you can put clothes and stuff on it.......i had to reinstall my windows from a ghost backup after that... it had so much spyware and crap added to my computer
[05:30] <trhisdone> im hoping ubuntu will cut down on some of that stuff
[05:30] <UndiFineD> it will
[05:32] <trhisdone> i didn't know about edbuntu till i already mostly set this computer up
[05:32] <trhisdone> i don't want to start over
[05:34] <UndiFineD> edubuntu can be loaded on top
[05:34] <UndiFineD> just like medibuntu
[05:34] <UndiFineD> or studio
[05:35] <UndiFineD> it is one single meta package in synaptic
[05:36] <UndiFineD> selecting all needed dependencies
[05:38] <trhisdone> i havn't look throght the games downloads but im sure there are some educations games in there... thats probally good enough
[05:38] <trhisdone> er educational......sorry for the mayberry speak
[05:41] <trhisdone> brb
[07:46] <nlsthzn> hi all
[09:17] <benpowers23> how can i install a 32 bit .deb file on a 64 bit system?
[09:18] <benpowers23> i get the  "wrong architecture" error
[09:18] <bioterror> ofcourse you do
[09:19] <benpowers23> any way to make this work?
[09:23] <benpowers23> someone suggested downloading the tarball and compiling for my computer
[09:23] <bioterror> benpowers23, and what application you're trying to run?
[09:23] <benpowers23> ...
[09:24] <benpowers23> frostwire
[09:24] <bioterror> benpowers23, for torrent use?
[09:25] <benpowers23> no
[09:25] <benpowers23> i have been using the transmission for torrents
[09:26] <JoeMaverickSett> i think this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 & this; http://shibuvarkala.blogspot.com/2010/03/how-to-install-32bit-deb-applications.html are great guides.
[09:26] <bioterror> benpowers23, what's wrong with the gtk-gnutella?
[09:26] <bioterror> if you want to use that part of that program
[09:27] <benpowers23> is that a suitable replacement for limwire?
[09:27] <bioterror> usually I dont take part in a warez conversations, but I think you dont need to add 32bit libraries to your 64bit system
[09:29] <benpowers23> i am goin to try gtk-gnutella
[09:30] <benpowers23> thankyouall
[09:30] <bioterror> and if you end up compiling that software yourself
[09:31] <bioterror> remember to use checkinstall after make
[09:32] <benpowers23> i dont have the first clue how to compile software
[09:32] <bioterror> benpowers23, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella#Gnutella_features
[09:35] <benpowers23> bioterror, thank you as usual
[09:39] <benpowers23> bioterror, i downloaded and installed but when i open the app nothing happens
[09:40] <bioterror> oh
[09:40] <bioterror> really
[09:40] <bioterror> why you didnt sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[09:40] <benpowers23> as far as i know it installed correctly
[09:41] <benpowers23> i used software center
[09:41] <bioterror> okay
[09:41] <bioterror> open terminal and run that program from there
[09:41] <bioterror> you will get some answers, I think
[09:42] <benpowers23> sudo apt-get install gtk-gntuella
[09:42] <benpowers23> ?
[09:42] <bioterror> same as software center
[09:42] <bioterror> benpowers23, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto
[09:46] <benpowers23> apt-get -f install?
[09:46] <bioterror> Tue11:41 <+bioterror> open terminal and run that program from there
[09:47] <bioterror> you can check which binary file it is by saying dpkg -L gtk-gnutella, if I remember right
[09:49] <benpowers23>  GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[09:51] <benpowers23> i used dpkg -L gtk gnutella   and i got this
[09:51] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532888/
[09:52] <bioterror> /usr/bin/gtk-gnutella
[09:52] <bioterror> that's command yeah
[09:52] <bioterror> it's weird if it doesnt say anything else than GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated
[09:53] <benpowers23> that was when i put gtk-gnutella in the cmd line
[09:53] <bioterror> yes
[09:54] <bioterror> and nothing else happened?
[09:54] <benpowers23> no
[09:54] <benpowers23> i send another past of it
[09:55] <bioterror> eeeeeverything would be nice
[09:56] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532890/
[09:57] <bioterror> 10-11-16 03:47:35 (WARNING): can't read file "/home/ben/.gtk-gnutella/config_gnet": No such file or directory
[09:57] <bioterror> that's your problem
[09:57] <benpowers23> how do i correct?
[09:59] <bioterror> cd /home/ben/.gtk-gnutella/
[09:59] <bioterror> touch config_gnet
[10:00] <benpowers23> nothing happened
[10:00] <bioterror> really
[10:00] <bioterror> what does it say now when you run it from terminal
[10:01] <benpowers23> same thing
[10:01] <bioterror> what thing?
[10:01] <benpowers23> gtkspinbutton
[10:02] <bioterror> ...
[10:02] <bioterror> forget that button
[10:02] <bioterror> it does not matter
[10:02] <benpowers23> i mean that is what its saying
[10:02] <bioterror> Get:1 http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/universe gtk-gnutella i386 0.96.8-1 [15.8MB]
[10:02] <bioterror> Fetched 15.8MB in 1s (10.5MB/s)
[10:02] <bioterror> you made me to do this!
[10:02] <bioterror> ;D
[10:02] <bioterror> started
[10:02] <bioterror> i got window
[10:03] <benpowers23> i dont understand what you mean :S
[10:04] <benpowers23> if this helps i followed the directions on this website
[10:04] <bioterror> hmmm
[10:05] <benpowers23> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/switch-gnome-kde-45-ubuntu-1004/
[10:05] <benpowers23> to try kde
[10:05] <benpowers23> i still have not successfully uninstalled kde
[10:05] <benpowers23> i dont want it anymore
[10:05] <bioterror> sure, who wants
[10:05] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge kde\*
[10:06] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:06] <benpowers23> do i need to cd?>
[10:06] <bioterror> no
[10:06]  * JoeMaverickSett thinks this might help? http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome :D
[10:07] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, removing kde\* is effective too ;)
[10:07] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: is it? never tried. :D
[10:07] <bioterror> try ;)
[10:07] <bioterror> it will gather a nice set of dependencies
[10:07]  * JoeMaverickSett == GNOME fan. doesn't touch KDE.
[10:07] <bioterror> yeah, KDE might look good, but
[10:08] <bioterror> well, I'm not married to a model :D
[10:08]  * JoeMaverickSett try KDE = 20mins kill KDE goes back to GNOME. :P
[10:08] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: lol ;D
[10:08] <bioterror> I rather take the brains than looks
[10:08] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: exactly. ;)
[10:08] <vu1kan> when i switch to a real console, the text is all blocky and unreadable...the same for plymouth and w/e the shutdown messages are delivered with...how would i fix this?
[10:09] <bioterror> vu1kan, changing the resolution of your console
[10:09] <bioterror> seems like it might be too low for your display
[10:09] <bioterror> or was it font, tell me joe
[10:09] <vu1kan> by modifying a config? or what?...or could you point me at a howto?
[10:10] <benpowers23> bioterror, http://paste.ubuntu.com/532899/
[10:10] <JoeMaverickSett> vu1kan: you might want to try this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=258484
[10:11] <bioterror> benpowers23, seems like you should try that joe's url ;)
[10:11] <benpowers23> ok
[10:11] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: dependency hell! :P
[10:12] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, yeah, need to remove those three in a right order
[10:13] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i've seen that kind before, what i did was kept changing GNOME-LXDE and uninstall KDE. :P
[10:13] <JoeMaverickSett> s/-/or
[10:13] <vu1kan> kewl beans, joe, this looks like it fits the bill...karma +1
[10:14]  * JoeMaverickSett karma becomes 100% :P
[10:14] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ConsoleFramebuffer I was checking that, but it's really OUTDATED
[10:15] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532901/
[10:15] <benpowers23> i used joes link, it didnt work
[10:16] <bioterror> benpowers23, how about sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[10:16] <bioterror> and try again removing
[10:16] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i think that would do. :D
[10:16] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i had the same problem.
[10:19] <bioterror> but benpowers23, remove that KDE first and let's continue with gtk-gnutella after that
[10:21] <benpowers23> ok
[10:21] <bioterror> but my 32bit binary worked fine
[10:21] <bioterror> I'm not at home, so I cant test with my 64bit system
[10:29] <slixz> sup
[10:29] <slixz> trying to install ubuntu netbook 1010 from 10.04 so cant use gui to get it. neone know a command i could use in term
[10:29] <slixz> no cd drive
[10:30] <bioterror> sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:31] <slixz> that does for netbook for sure
[10:31] <benpowers23> how do i select  <ok> on the configuration?
[10:31] <geirha> benpowers23: Hit tab until it's selected, then space or enter
[10:31] <benpowers23> it wont let me...
[10:32] <benpowers23> lol ty
[10:33] <geirha> Would be nice if debconf would use a GUI frontend when DISPLAY is set.
[10:36] <benpowers23> bioterror, i installed jre but it didnt fix the problem
[10:36] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532911/
[10:37] <benpowers23> the remove kde cmd sisnt work
[10:37] <benpowers23> still*
[10:40] <benpowers23> bioterror, are you here with me?
[10:51] <Maddeth> heya a;;
[10:51] <Maddeth> all*
[11:01] <nev> could someone help me out following a how to..http://samiux.blogspot.com/2010/05/howto-realtek-8192su-usb-dongle.html
[11:04] <nev> got to the end of step 3, but now stuck
[11:34] <|GoLTaR|> hi, is there some one online? i need a little hel?
[11:34] <|GoLTaR|> help*
[11:39] <trhisdone> hello
[11:40] <benpowers23> when i install apps they are not showing up in the menus
[11:42] <|GoLTaR|> i have problem... i try to reboot my ubuntu... and when i do reboot it say.. The program 'reboot' can be found in the following packages:  * upstart * molly-guard Try: apt-get install <selected package> :( i try to upadte the ubutnu ... but its the same :( can somebody help me? :|
[11:46] <bioterror> benpowers23, now I am
[11:46] <bioterror> I had to move to another place
[11:46] <benpowers23> ok
[11:47] <bioterror> and I dropped my work laptop on a floor :(
[11:47] <benpowers23> ouch..
[11:47] <bioterror> man it was a beautiful fly from backbag on the floor :D
[11:47] <bioterror> what a shame, it was a power button corner :D
[11:47] <benpowers23> :s
[11:48] <benpowers23> if it make you feel better i dropped a 300 dollar camera in the ohio river yesterday
[11:48] <bioterror> haha, I hope it was a canon ;)
[11:49] <benpowers23> it was. my father is a photographer and he is a huge cannon fan
[11:50] <bioterror> that warms my nikonist heart ;)
[11:50] <benpowers23> he doesnt hate nikon just prefers cannon
[11:50] <benpowers23> his latest camera is a 7D
[11:51] <bioterror> that's nice, made some 5D MKII buyers angry ;D
[11:52] <benpowers23> so, just a thought.. i could reinstall ubuntu and solve all of my probs... right
[11:52] <bioterror> what problems?
[11:53] <benpowers23> i cant uninstall kde, i cant use gtk-untella and now i installed a game a min ago and it doesnt even show up in my menu
[11:54] <bioterror> really
[11:54] <bioterror> I've had that same menu problem at my parents-in-law
[11:54] <benpowers23> it all started when i decided to try kde
[11:55] <bioterror> :D
[11:55] <benpowers23> bad decision
[11:55] <bioterror> yeah
[11:55] <bioterror> not that I would like to bash KDE, but ;D
[11:55] <benpowers23> it was neat, but seemed pokey
[11:55] <bioterror> we had this conversation earlier!
[11:56] <benpowers23> yea but i was knee deep im terminal and was frustrated w/ myself
[11:56] <bioterror> D:
[11:57] <benpowers23> so would a clean install be my best bet?
[11:58] <bioterror> do you learn anything by doing so?
[11:58] <bioterror> I think not
[11:58] <bioterror> first you should clean your dependency problems
[11:58] <benpowers23> ok
[11:58] <bioterror> we could!
[11:59] <bioterror> apt-get --force-yes purge kde\*
[11:59] <bioterror> :D
[12:00] <bioterror> we can try to do that, if you're about to make a clean install :)
[12:00] <bioterror> "if I win or lose" ;D
[12:01] <benpowers23> didnt work
[12:01] <benpowers23> paste?
[12:01] <bioterror> remember sudo
[12:01] <benpowers23> i did
[12:01] <bioterror> does it complain again about dependencies?
[12:01] <benpowers23> yes
[12:01] <bioterror> which ones
[12:02] <benpowers23> kdebase-runtime : Depends: libkdnssd4 (>= 4:4.5) but it is not going to be installed
[12:02] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge libkdnssd4
[12:02] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532945/
[12:03] <bioterror> that's what you get when you tried to purge that libkndssd4?
[12:03] <benpowers23> its removing kde :D
[12:04] <bioterror> it's now working?
[12:04] <benpowers23> yup
[12:04] <bioterror> nice
[12:04] <benpowers23> as we speek\
[12:05] <benpowers23> btw im doing all of this teathered to a htc dinc
[12:06] <benpowers23> im literally as we speak going south in the ohio river
[12:07] <benpowers23> had a prob at the end
[12:07] <bioterror> I would like to have a Sony Ericsson X10 Mini Pro ;)
[12:07] <bioterror> as I hate my Nokia N97 mini ;)
[12:07] <bioterror> but I've heard that things dosnt get better by changing
[12:08] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532948/
[12:09] <bioterror> oh
[12:09] <bioterror> seems like you're using kdm when you log in?
[12:09] <benpowers23> i am very pro android
[12:09] <bioterror> is that true?
[12:10] <benpowers23> it is on user control
[12:10] <benpowers23> and i use ubuntu
[12:10] <bioterror> sudo service kdm stop
[12:10] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge kdm
[12:11] <bioterror> ;D
[12:11] <benpowers23> kdm: unrecognized service
[12:11] <bioterror> okay, what does that purge kdm say?
[12:11] <bioterror> new dependency problem?
[12:13] <benpowers23> no i dont think so
[12:13] <bioterror> what does it say?
[12:13] <benpowers23> but didnt work none the less
[12:14] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532959/
[12:15] <bioterror> hahaha
[12:15] <bioterror> sudo touch /etc/init/kdm.conf
[12:16] <bioterror> and same command again ;D
[12:16] <benpowers23> i just did sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:16] <bioterror> nice
[12:16] <bioterror> hope it removes lots of stuff
[12:16] <benpowers23> it is
[12:17] <bioterror> but you really should purge
[12:17] <bioterror> becouse you want those configs also removed, those are not needed since they are for kde
[12:17] <benpowers23> ok so next step then ?
[12:17] <bioterror> well
[12:18] <bioterror> let it remove
[12:18] <benpowers23> its done
[12:18] <bioterror> try sudo apt-get purge kde\*
[12:18] <bioterror> if it finds anything
[12:19] <benpowers23> seems to be working
[12:19] <bioterror> is there still something to be removed?
[12:19] <benpowers23> ALOT
[12:19] <benpowers23> lol
[12:19] <bioterror> :D
[12:20] <benpowers23> so what is purge?
[12:20] <benpowers23> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:20] <bioterror> it's remove --purge
[12:20] <benpowers23>  kdm
[12:20] <bioterror> removes configs
[12:20] <benpowers23> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:20] <bioterror> what's that error
[12:21] <benpowers23> it was at the end
[12:21] <bioterror> there must be something
[12:22] <benpowers23> paste?
[12:22] <bioterror> yeah, I would like to see what that dpkg pukes
[12:24] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532963/
[12:24] <bioterror> niice
[12:24] <bioterror> sudo apt-get remove --purge kdm
[12:25] <benpowers23> dum dum dummmmm   (fail)
[12:26] <benpowers23> http://paste.ubuntu.com/532965/
[12:31] <benpowers23> bioterror, you there?
[12:34] <benpowers23> bioterror, i have to go to bed i have to work in a couple hours ill catch you again
[12:34] <benpowers23> later\
[14:34] <mutsa> hi! i notice that my Network Manager icon disappears. It starts with the OS but somtimes, after a while, it disappears. Even if i'm connected or not, to some wireless our wire network. I'm using 10.04. thanks
[14:42] <jahbulon> hellow guyz
[14:43] <jahbulon> I need some advices to install a sound card
[14:43] <jahbulon> xonar d2 using alsa 1.0.16
[16:41] <Mohan_chml> hey Maddeth. where is _Work? :D
[16:42] <Mohan_chml> Evening hobgoblin and all =]
[16:46] <malev> hi there! how can I search for a file from the command line?
[16:47] <malev> I'm trying to use find, but with no luck
[16:50] <Maddeth> Mohan_chml, not art work :P
[16:50] <Maddeth> at*
[16:51] <Maddeth> find / -name filename
[16:51] <Maddeth> malev, ^
[16:51] <Mohan_chml> sup Maddeth ?
[16:51] <Maddeth> Mohan_chml, nm nm
[16:51] <Maddeth> trying e17
[16:52] <Mohan_chml> Wow thats nice
[16:52] <malev> Maddeth: thanks!!! I'll try it
[16:52] <Maddeth> yw malev
[16:55] <Maddeth> Mohan_chml, its nice look ing minimal, cant get used to no right click
[16:55] <Maddeth> and main menu on left
[16:56] <Mohan_chml> ah
[16:56] <jmgalloway> anyone in here good with ssh?
[16:56] <Mohan_chml> jmgalloway, just ask and the someone will answer you
[16:56] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: What about it?
[16:57] <jmgalloway> im am getting this error:  Received disconnect from <IP_ADDRESS>: 2: Too many authentication failures for clcuser
[16:58] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: That means the password is incorrect, and whatever client you're using is trying to enter the incorrect password too many times.
[16:58] <jmgalloway> right
[16:58] <jmgalloway> how do I reset it?
[16:58] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: What client are you using?
[16:58] <jmgalloway> I have access to the remote machine
[16:58] <jmgalloway> client?  openssh
[16:58] <jmgalloway> terminal
[16:59] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: So just ssh.
[16:59] <jmgalloway> yep
[16:59] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: Are you making sure the syntax is correct? ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[16:59] <jmgalloway> yes
[17:00] <jmgalloway> I have setup a passwordless ssh using rsa key exchanges
[17:00] <jmgalloway> the problem is...I cant ssh from a specific machine.  the remote computer can be ssh'd into from other machines.
[17:00] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: That would do it. The RSA public and private keys don't match,
[17:01] <jmgalloway> so I have to regenerate a new rsa key?
[17:02] <aveilleux> jmgalloway: I guess. I'm not very well-versed in RSA key authentication, password authentication has never failed me
[17:03] <jmgalloway> that also doesnt work.  usually I would just ssh into the machine and give the pw each time...but that became a hassle so I setup a passwordless ssh using rsa and it worked for a while...now I cant ssh at all
[17:04] <jmgalloway> well I cant ssh from this machine...I have a backup machine on the same subnet, and I can ssh from that machine no problem.
[17:11] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[17:29] <karthick87> hiyas cprofitt :)
[17:29] <karthick87> hi hobgoblin :)
[17:29] <hobgoblin> o/
[17:30] <karthick87> \o/
[17:53] <Maddeth> hobgoblin o/
[17:53] <Maddeth> was eating
[17:53] <Maddeth> st33med, o/
[17:53] <st33med> Holy crap! Maddeth!
[17:53] <st33med> How are you!
[17:53] <Maddeth> all good thnks :)
[17:53] <Maddeth> and you?
[17:53] <st33med> In college :)
[17:53] <Maddeth> wesome
[17:54] <st33med> Nearing the end of my semester
[17:54] <Maddeth> awesome*
[17:54] <Maddeth> Ah yes
[17:54] <Maddeth> exms in Jan?
[17:54] <Maddeth> exams*
[17:54] <hobgoblin> hi Maddeth :)
[17:54] <st33med> Nope, December
[17:54] <Maddeth> nice
[17:54] <Maddeth> always had them after christmas with a stupid assignment
[17:55] <Maddeth> how do hobgoblin
[17:55]  * hobgoblin does well - how do Maddeth do
[17:55]  * Maddeth also does well
[17:56] <Maddeth> doing 2 jobs so buring the candle at both ends till February
[17:56] <Maddeth> burning
[17:56] <Maddeth> damn laptop kb
[17:56] <hobgoblin> Maddeth:  you know what they say about burning the candle at both ends :(
[18:05] <Maddeth> it gets hot?
[18:06] <hobgoblin> for a short while - then goes pffffft and the flame goes out - pop
[18:06] <hobgoblin> all is darkness
[18:07] <Maddeth> only till feb
[18:07] <hobgoblin> ha ha ha ha
[19:05] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[19:52] <madeisha> hello
[19:52] <madeisha> can someone help me a second?
[19:53] <Silver_Fox_> Hello. Please state your query madeisha .
[19:53] <madeisha> how can I see the info of the firewire installed in my computer?
[19:53] <bioterror> lspci
[19:53] <madeisha> what do I have to type in terminal to see its hardware info?
[19:54] <madeisha> but I don't see much details...
[19:54] <bioterror> what you want to see+
[19:54] <madeisha> i see only... 15.00.1 firewire... iee 1394
[19:54] <madeisha> i want to see its id
[19:54] <madeisha> device number..etc...
[19:54] <madeisha> is it possible?
[19:55] <madeisha> its address value
[19:57] <bioterror> not really getting what you're after
[19:57] <madeisha> I need its hardware address, because I have to pass it to another user
[19:57] <madeisha> who has to modify my dsdt
[19:58] <bioterror> cat /proc/devices |more
[19:58] <bioterror> could it be that?
[19:58] <madeisha> i try...
[19:58] <madeisha> hold on
[19:58] <madeisha> hmmm i see a list...
[19:59] <madeisha> and 251 firewire.
[19:59] <madeisha> how can I enter there?
[19:59] <bioterror> mine 171 ieee1394
[19:59] <bioterror> so could it be that? ;)
[20:00] <madeisha> no.
[20:00] <madeisha> i need values like...
[20:00] <madeisha> vendor.. id...
[20:00] <madeisha> etc..
[20:00] <madeisha> such stuff!
[20:00] <madeisha> :(
[20:01] <bioterror> you've got that firewire device attached?
[20:03] <madeisha> i have found the solution!
[20:03] <madeisha> dmesg | grep firewire
[20:03] <madeisha> try it as well!
[20:04] <bioterror> it prompts same stuff as lspci
[20:04] <bioterror> or it should
[20:04] <madeisha> no.. there are more things...
[20:04] <madeisha> in lscpi there's just the brand...
[20:04] <madeisha> here now i can see fw0, guid number... etc...
[20:05] <bioterror> $ dmesg |grep fw
[20:05] <bioterror> [    1.712073] ohci1394: fw-host0: OHCI-1394 1.1 (PCI): IRQ=[18]  MMIO=[febff800-febfffff]  Max Packet=[2048]  IR/IT contexts=[4/8]
[20:05] <bioterror> something like that?
[20:05] <realeyes> is there any reason that git wouldn't work on 10.10?
[20:06] <bioterror> I've downloaded stuff from git
[20:06] <realeyes> repo sync isn't working for me, for some reason.
[20:15] <karthick87> hobgoblin: hi  can you help me  in registering ssh keys
[20:15] <karthick87> phillw: there?
[20:16] <aveilleux> !ask | karthick87
[20:16] <ubot2> karthick87: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[20:16] <karthick87> Can someone help me in registering ssh keys??
[20:18] <aveilleux> karthick87: Register what SSH key where>
[20:18] <karthick87> launchpad
[20:20] <madeisha> oh my god bioterror! I have found a command to get a bunch of hw infos! :)
[20:20] <bioterror> enlight me ;)
[20:20] <madeisha> yes yes!
[20:20] <madeisha> in console you type
[20:20] <madeisha> sudo lshw -html > hw.html
[20:20] <madeisha> and you get the whole hardware in html!!
[20:20] <bioterror> ahhh
[20:21] <madeisha> thats what i wanted
[20:21] <bioterror> could not remember that ;)
[20:21] <madeisha> you remember only the simple ones :((
[20:21] <bioterror> played with that few days ago :D
[20:22] <madeisha> i miss my windows! but ubuntu is not that bad as well....
[20:23] <bioterror> well
[20:23] <bioterror> I have windows in my worklaptop and when I boot into it, I dont miss it at all
[20:23] <bioterror> I remember why I mostly use Linux and Shitrix
[20:24] <madeisha> Shitrix?
[20:24] <madeisha> what is it?
[20:25] <bioterror> citrix
[20:25] <madeisha> oh
[20:25] <aveilleux> karthick87: Do you have any ssh keys to register?
[20:25] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrix_XenApp
[20:25] <karthick87> aveilleux: yes i have
[20:26] <aveilleux> karthick87: Then on lp there should be a place to do it in your user preferences
[20:29] <aveilleux> karthick87: https://edge.launchpad.net/~<USERNAME>/+editpgpkeys
[20:32] <karthick87> aveilleux: already i have pgpkeys there.Now i am talking about ssh
[20:33] <aveilleux> What does lp use SSH keys for?
[20:34] <aveilleux> oh, right
[20:35] <aveilleux> karthick87: https://edge.launchpad.net/~<USERNAME>/+editsshkeys
[21:37] <kosaidpo> guys any idea im lookin for a php debuger
[21:41] <pedro3005> kosaidpo, I think php already prints out error messages that you can use
[21:41] <kosaidpo> yeha but now it doesnt for this case pedro3005 :P
[21:42] <vu1kan> when i pass <users>, it returns my username twice-is this normal?
[21:42] <aveilleux> name and group
[21:42] <vu1kan> kthax
[21:42] <pedro3005> kosaidpo, real men don't need debuggers anyhow
[21:42] <pedro3005> :P
[21:43] <kosaidpo> pedro3005: im a nooooooooobie
[21:43] <kosaidpo> pedro3005: smart people make it easy for me so why not take advantage of it
[21:44] <kosaidpo> pedro3005: if we apply the same principe in using phone LOOL real men doesnnt call they go by foot to the guy or place ROFL
[21:44] <pedro3005> kosaidpo, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=php+debugger
[21:44] <pedro3005> :p
[21:46] <kosaidpo> pedro3005: thanks i dont kno why i was adding ubuntu to that criteria you typed
[21:46] <vu1kan> is there some way to apply changes passed to vesafb (via menu.lst) without a full reboot?
[21:47] <vu1kan> i wanna up the resolution, but don't wanna spend all afternoon rebooting to find a mode that works
[21:48] <pedro3005> vu1kan, restart X maybe
[21:48] <vu1kan> vesafb loads before x, i thought
[21:48] <pedro3005> hm
[21:49] <vu1kan> more specifically, i wanna up the resolution during boot/plymouth and in the real console
[22:02] <nlsthzn> hi all
[22:23] <robs2> Hello everyone
[22:23] <robs2> I have a question I'm hoping someone might be willint to comment on
 Recently, I converted,  or attempted to conver an rpm package to debian by using alien.  However,  the resulting debian files did not contain a  .deb  extension.  And I cannot get the newly converted package to install.  Any ideas from anyone would be helpful.  thanks
[22:25] <nlsthzn> ... have you tried just giving it a .deb extension yourself?
[22:25] <robs2> Yes.  That did not work.  Thanks for suggesting it, though  :)
[22:29] <nlsthzn> robs2: Was worth a shot... I know nothing of alien so I will get back to lurking...
[22:30] <yofel> robs1: can you tell us how to get the rpm in question? it would help if we could see what goes wrong ourselves
[22:49] <robs1> yoefe1...I could ftp the file to you;  it is actually a tar file
[22:51] <yofel> robs1: afaik alien can't do anything with tar files, it needs to be an .rpm
[22:52] <robs1> yes I understand that.  But the tar file contains the rpm files that I am trying to convert to .debian using the alien command.
[22:52] <robs1> I believe you asked me earlier if there was a way that I could get it to you or something like that
[22:52] <yofel> hm, maybe later, I really need to go to bed now, sry
[22:53] <robs1> np
[22:56] <jahbulon> hy people
[22:57] <jahbulon> need some advices
[22:57] <jahbulon> some1 wanna help meout
[22:57] <nlsthzn> jahbulon: can't help if you don't ask ;)
[22:57] <jahbulon> :)
[22:58] <jahbulon> ok .. so ... i have a sound card .. assus xonar d2 .. and i can't use digital output
[22:58] <jahbulon> xonar d2
[22:59] <jahbulon> and i don't know how to install alsa 1.0.16
[22:59] <jahbulon> i heard that it could solve the problemes
[23:02] <nlsthzn> what have you tried?
[23:03] <jahbulon>        cd /usr/src
[23:04] <jahbulon> mkdir alsa
[23:04] <jahbulon> can't create
[23:04] <jahbulon> file
[23:05] <jahbulon> thisisthe end
[23:05] <jahbulon> :(
[23:05] <aveilleux> jahbulon: Of course you can't create a file in /usr/src. You don't have write permissions to that directory.
[23:05] <nlsthzn> jahbulon:  http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=776279 have a look and also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=726438
[23:05] <aveilleux> jahbulon: Are you trying to build the driver from source?
[23:07] <jahbulon> i will check it ...
[23:07] <nlsthzn> well... with sudo you could write to /usr/src... however, I would suggest putting your source fieles someplace in ~
[23:08] <bioterror> if you need those sources only for a while, /tmp is a good place
[23:09] <bioterror> other wise /usr/local/src is a correct place to store them
[23:09] <bioterror>  /usr/local/ is for your stuff
[23:10] <jahbulon> witch is better
[23:10] <jahbulon> ?
[23:11] <nlsthzn> jahbulon: IMO it doesn't matter... once compiled and installed the source isn't required (stricty speaking, but I did read one place you need it to remove the installation later... but stand corrected)
[23:12] <jahbulon> now it is installing
[23:14] <jahbulon> i have also an on board sound card how can i disable it ?
[23:16] <nlsthzn> jahbulon: BIOS?
[23:16] <jahbulon> ok thanks
[23:17] <jahbulon> i must reboot for changes to apply ?
[23:18] <aveilleux> jahbulon: In BIOS? Usually, yeah
[23:19] <jahbulon>  thanks for the support
[23:40] <stlsaint> hey did i show up as cloaked when i joined?
[23:41] <pedro3005> * stlsaint (~stlsaint@ubuntu/member/stlsaint) has joined #ubuntu-beginners
[23:41] <pleia2> stlsaint: no, you should use a server password when connecting to freenode
[23:41] <pleia2> rather than identifying with nickserv after connecting
[23:41] <stlsaint> pleia2: when did this change come about?
[23:42] <pleia2> nhandler can say for sure, but I've used a server password for years
[23:43] <pleia2> it got a bit more obnoxious with the ircd replacement earlier this year (join/quit/join)


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[22:20] <Bashing-om> guiverc: \o/ -- Things getting back to normal :D
[22:21] <guiverc> :)   and listening now to a sound I've not heard in awhile... Star Trek DS9 backgrounds noises..
[22:24] <Bashing-om> :) ^ them little things that mean so much.
[22:26] <guiverc> :)    (the sound effect I feel is great; 4.5 mins of effects & rumble that I hear when away from terminal, but can not make my jump close or using box (& speaker set to loud)


[04:48] <Mirv> good morning
[06:54] <jgdx> fginther, thanks! It actually ran the tests, or was the report wrong?
[08:19] <anpok> cihelp: lastweek mako-08 was broken now mako-12 shows a similar symptom in the mir testrunner jenkins job: unable to upgrade/install packages:
[08:19] <anpok> cihelp: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-runner-mako/6483/console
[08:26] <psivaa> anpok: will take a look
[09:08] <Saviq> Mirv, hey, is https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-014 dual-landing correctly? I mean it says target is primary archive, will it, in fact, publish to the overlay ppa for vivid?
[09:12] <Mirv> Saviq: when it's 'dual', the vivid part of the dual is always the PPA, so no problem
[09:12] <Saviq> Mirv, thanks, that's what I thought but wanted to make sure
[09:12] <Mirv> Saviq: welcome back, too :)
[09:13] <Saviq> thanks
[09:59] <Saviq> robru, when you're around, it's my first time using Bileto, the Assign link is misleading, it should say "(Re)configure" or something
[09:59] <Saviq> robru, was scared to press it when I needed to reconf a silo
[10:03] <Saviq> robru, just noticed "Merge & Clean" to abandon is a bit scary, too
[10:04] <psivaa> mandel:  http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-android-vivid-i386-build/ is passing now that i've added  libboost-python-dev to the vivid chroot
[10:04] <psivaa> mandel: unping
[10:04] <mandel> psivaa, I was gonna say, shit I get in trouble even when I have no idea about mir ;)
[10:07] <psivaa> mandel: heh, sorry was intended for alf_.
[10:07] <psivaa> mandel: i'll deal with  https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/wily-add-appid-metadata/+merge/269364 now
[10:08] <mandel> psivaa, nice, so that guy has an small issue, is aiming for wily (as the name says) yet is being built on vivid, and you know gcc 5
[10:08] <mandel> psivaa, fun times!
[10:14] <Mirv> Saviq: there's also https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/
[10:20] <psivaa> mandel: fginther asked for some clarifications about this job last night:
[10:20] <psivaa> 23:24 <fginther> mandel, what's the story on ubuntu-download-manager? That project was never moved to wily. Should it be?
[10:21] <mandel> psivaa, it is in wily, it was dual landed
[10:21] <psivaa> mandel: ack, thanks
[10:21] <mandel> psivaa, AFAIK trunk is in wily or should be in wily, the symbols files were updated and was landed in wily with that bit gcc 5 silo
[10:22] <mandel> psivaa, so, unless I'm wrong we should have the same in vivid and in wily but with diff symbol files
[10:23] <Saviq> Mirv, oh, good
[10:31] <alf_> psivaa: Looking at the latest runs it seems that the mir-android-vivid-i386-build is now fixed. Thanks!
[10:32] <alf_> psivaa: What was the problem after all?
[10:41] <psivaa> alf_: i just had to install libboost-python-dev manually inside chroot env
[10:42] <alf_> psivaa: hmm, that's strange, why couldn't it be downloaded normally like the other packages?
[10:58] <psivaa> alf_: yea, its confusing. i dont have a vivid machine right now. i just noticed that libboost-python-dev and libboost-all-dev are in different archive pockets for trusty
[10:58] <psivaa> one is universe and the other is in main
[11:01] <alf_> psivaa: ok, thanks
[11:29] <alf_> trainguards: Hi! powerd in proposed is failing boottest. This is a known issue, we need to work around it manually (see https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-boottest-powerd/lastBuild/console).
[11:48] <Mirv> alf_: you will want to alert cihelp to running/workarounding it properly
[11:51] <alf_> Mirv: ack, thanks
[11:51] <alf_> cihelp: Hi! powerd in proposed is failing boottest. This is a known issue, we need to work around it manually (see  https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/wily-boottest-powerd/lastBuild/console).
[12:25] <psivaa> alf_: i'll add this to the list of 'TODO' of ours, hopefully be able to get to it soon
[12:26] <alf_> psivaa: thanks
[12:39] <Laney> O_O
[12:39] <Laney> how come unity-control-center got uploaded?
[12:48] <rvr> popey: Approving music-app update
[12:52] <popey> rvr: SWEEET!
[12:52] <popey> rvr: thanks
[12:54] <Mirv> popey: clock getting custom ringtones, will that later bring also then the possibility of having actual ringtones (for calls)? many people seem to request that.
[12:54] <Mirv> anyway, very sweet
[12:54] <popey> Mirv: dunno what controls that
[12:54] <Mirv> Laney: it was marked as ready to publish
[12:55] <Laney> how does that happen?
[12:55] <Mirv> Laney: it was marked "Publish without QA" == please publish.
[12:55] <Mirv> that might be worthy of a bug report, people confused that with the initial "No QA needed" state
[12:55] <Laney> that means "publish instantly"?
[12:56] <Laney> how do you know I have checked the package myself?
[12:57] <Mirv> Laney: yes, it means. the initial state should be "No QA Needed". like I said, those are confusing and should be renamed to more clearly state what is the initial state and what is the "please publish" state.
[12:57] <rvr> popey: One question. Are custom sounds deleted at some point, if not used?
[12:57] <Mirv> I'm filing a bileto bug about that now
[12:58] <rvr> Or there exists any option to delete them
[12:59] <Laney> ty
[12:59] <ahayzen> Mirv, if system-settings implement a chooser via content-hub then yes we can have custom ringtones :-)
[12:59] <ahayzen> rvr, deleting custom sounds is at the clock end, IIRC if you swipe delete them it then removes them
[13:00] <rvr> ahayzen: Ah, nice
[13:01] <rvr> Indeed, tested.
[13:01]  * rvr feels better.
[13:02] <Mirv> ahayzen: thanks! I updated bug #1490399 I filed accordingly
[13:03] <ahayzen> Mirv, thanks :-)
[13:04] <kenvandine> ahayzen, seb128 started hacking on the custom ringtone stuff last week
[13:04] <kenvandine> but he's on holiday for a couple weeks now
[13:04] <kenvandine> but it's something he's anxious for, i'm sure we'll see it soon :)
[13:05] <Mirv> kenvandine: oh, great!
[13:14] <Mirv> if someone's brain works better, feel free to suggest bether 6 new names bug #1491838
[13:17] <morphis> Mirv: who can approve https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/lxc-android-config/add-citrain-support/+merge/269859?
[13:17] <morphis> even if you approved it still says "Needs review"
[13:18] <Mirv> morphis: top-approved now!
[13:18] <morphis> thanks!
[13:18] <Mirv> np
[13:19] <morphis> Mirv: still says "Needs review" ...
[13:19] <morphis> ah
[13:19] <morphis> now its fine
[13:20] <Mirv> ogra_: if you're around, could you review https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/87/artifact/appmenu-qt5_packaging_changes.diff - it's an annoying bit coming from our private header usage. if you're ok with it, please publish it via https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/build?delay=0sec since now since yesterday we can't publish main components even if we ge
[13:20] <Mirv> t a verbal 'ack'
[13:24] <Mirv> kenvandine: if you're familiar with seed updates, https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily_remove_friends/+merge/267648 would be now ready to publish to wily
[13:26] <Laney> Mirv: how did you manage to publish u-c-c then?
[13:28] <Mirv> Laney: there weren't packaging changes, those can still be published
[14:43] <popey> Mirv: are you sil2100 today? clock and music clicks updated in the store, so I guess will enter the next image built.
[14:55] <ogra_> Mirv, ACK (sorry for the delay)
[14:58] <robru> uh
[15:50]  * ogra_ wonders if there is a landing meeting today
[15:50]  * ogra_ has nothing to bring up
[15:50] <jibel> me neither.
[15:51] <jibel> ogra_, canceling the meeting looks like a good option
[15:51] <jibel> robru, ^
[15:51] <ogra_> yeah
[15:51] <jibel> rvr, ^
[15:51] <ogra_> wow, my phone just went in a deadlock
[15:52] <rvr> Oki
[15:52] <josepht> alf_: powerd has been passed through proposed-migration
[15:52] <ogra_> screen is on ... i cant turn it off or on anymore and it doesnt take any input
[15:52] <alf_> josepht: great, thank you
[15:52] <ogra_> led blinking with the notification for the meetin
[15:52] <ogra_> g
[15:52] <josepht> alf_: no problem
[15:53] <robru> jibel: sounds good thanks
[15:54] <jibel> ogra_, similar to bug 1491566 ?
[15:54] <ogra_> jibel, apart from the last line there, yeah
[15:55] <ogra_> (i didnt get a second message)
[15:55]  * ogra_ "me too's"
[15:57] <rvr> abeato: ping
[15:59] <jibel> Saviq, ^ ogra_ is having the same problem than pmcgowan yesterday. What info do you need?
[15:59] <jibel> or similar at least
[15:59] <ogra_> jibel, sorry i rebooted ...
[15:59] <jibel> ogra_, maybe there are useful traces in the logs
[16:00] <ogra_> yeah
[16:00] <ogra_> just saying ... nothing to debug directly anymore
[16:00] <robru> Saviq: no, I'm working towards eliminating the need to reconfigure. "Assign" if the correct name for that link.
[16:01] <pmcgowan> Saviq, ^^
[16:01] <pmcgowan> oh already pung
[16:01] <Saviq> and in a stakeholder mtg...
[16:08] <Mirv> ogra_: can you please also run https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-2-publish/build with ACK. as mentioned starting today non-coredev trainguards can't run the job anymore for main packages with pkg changes.
[16:09] <robru> ogra_: yes this was requested by slangasek, infinity, and DMB. now only people with proper upload rights can run the publish job when packaging changes are present.
[16:09] <ogra_> done
[16:09] <robru> ogra_: thanks
[16:09] <ogra_> bah, or not
[16:09] <Mirv> popey: I'm the poorer version of sil2100 for this and next week, with no image building rights. but yes those should be then in tomorrow's build.
[16:09]  * ogra_ looks for a 2fa device
[16:09] <ogra_> :/
[16:09] <robru> popey: oh I have image building rights. you want I should build an image?
[16:10] <Mirv> robru: it might popey is just used to reporting such changes to sil2100.. not sure if there's a real need for extra builds
[16:10] <robru> Mirv: ok no worries, but I can if it's desired.
[16:10] <ogra_> done
[16:11] <abeato> rvr, pong
[16:12] <popey> Mirv: yeah, no desire for an image, just passing on info
[16:12] <psivaa> mandel: hi, https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/wily-add-appid-metadata/+merge/269364 is now happy
[16:13] <pmcgowan> ogra_, do you have any thoughts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1480785
[16:14] <Mirv> popey: information received and happily noted ✔
[16:15] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i think abeato asked me about it before ... not sure what to do with that, that needs someone who knows the internals of initctl/upstart ... probably stracing it would reveal more
[16:17] <mandel> psivaa, bien bien
[16:43] <Saviq> ogra_, sorry, back now, your arale still no input
[16:43] <Saviq> ?
[16:44] <ogra_> Saviq, i needed it for a call so i hard-rebooted it
[16:44] <Saviq> ogra_, ok thanks
[17:13] <robru> lawl
[17:13] <robru> kenvandine: mterry: can I get somebody for a packaging ACK? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/autopilot_packaging_changes.diff/*view*/ this one's easy
[17:23] <mterry> robru, sure...  though I don't generally *like* the idea of disabling tests
[17:23] <mterry> robru, but approved
[17:23] <robru> mterry: thanks
[17:23] <robru> mterry: I need you to run the publish job
[17:23] <mterry> robru, oh that's new
[17:24] <robru> mterry: due to some recent changes that prevent me from spoofing your approval on the honor system
[17:24] <robru> yes ;-)
[17:24] <mterry> robru, hah
[17:24] <robru> mterry: it's this one: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-016-2-publish/build and check ACK
[17:25] <mterry> robru, and only that one? then do a build?
[17:26] <robru> mterry: don't "do a build" but do "click the button labelled Build on the publish job"
[17:26] <robru> grumble grumble jenkins
[17:26] <mterry> robru, sure... I think I did that right
[17:26] <robru> mterry: looks right
[17:27] <robru> mterry: oh my, the silo dirty logic got very noisy recently ;-)
[17:28] <robru> mterry: great, much success, thanks
[17:28] <mterry> \o/
[21:14] <pmcgowan> where s the silo pae now
[21:14] <pmcgowan> page
[21:23] <brendand> pmcgowan, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
[21:27] <pmcgowan> its all different, I hate change :)
[21:32] <brendand> pmcgowan, but it's better!


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[21:22] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue738 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue738 :D


[01:31] <ball> \o/ I have Xubuntu installed!
[05:36] <linux_n> i typed: snap services | grep active in terminal and it says: There are no services provided by installed snaps. I though snapd was installed by defaut in xubuntu?
[06:30] <sophie> im wondering if that means services provided by snaps such as daemons. things that run as a service all the time
[06:30] <sophie> i have many snaps installed and get the same message
[06:31] <linux_n> oh ok
[14:10] <nikolam> Gdebi (GUi gfor installing .deb packages) seems to be crashing here at me at 21.10 (also used to crash on 21.04 as I remember)
[14:11] <oerheks> Gdebi is broken, indeed.
[14:12] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/1946499
[14:12] <nikolam> Clicked install 2 times after starting it from terminal, it is what I get https://pastebin.com/YebKfyAA
[14:12] <oerheks> use dpkg -i *.deb, and you are fine
[14:13] <nikolam> I like Gdebi sort of, GUI for doubleclick on .deb
[14:13] <oerheks> bug was fixed in the package gdebi - <IP_ADDRESS>+nmu6; just wait for the testing in proposed
[14:13] <nikolam> Sounds great oerheks
[14:21] <pikapika> Hi uwu
[14:25] <oerheks> ɐʞᴉdɐʞᴉd ᴉɥ
[14:33] <xu-help14w> hello
[14:33] <xu-help14w> I need some help with xubuntu 20.04
[14:54] <nikolam> oerheks, I think  <IP_ADDRESS>+nmu6 also closes itself without installing package, when invoked from right-click on .deb in Thunar "Open with  Gdebi package installer" and then clicking install..
[14:55] <nikolam> Bit is doe it if I forst open gdebi-gtk from terminal and then go to File-Open and open .deb , then it asks for sudo admin password and everything is ok
[14:56] <nikolam> So righ tclick open then install is not working still
[15:01] <pikapika> oerheks, hi
[15:09] <nikolam> Or I actually need to apply .diff manually?
[16:21] <pikapika> I lowkey want to try adding something to xfce
[16:21] <pikapika> I'll download the code and study it for a few days I think