[12:01] <thestagemanager> I'm trying to make Evolution print a month view without the end times for appointments, they take up too much space in the boxes.
[12:01] <captainredbeard> hey, my dvd is having problems reading dvds and cds it burned, it won't mount them, any ideas? Its only a few weeks old
[12:02] <haasteem> antispeticx: hmm... i don't think that worked
[12:02] <antisepticx> no go
[12:02] <nickrud> Kovecses, you have stumbled upon the ultimate use of a debian based system. Someone else does the compiling :)
[12:02] <antisepticx> still getting us layout
[12:02] <Pygi> captain: use mount?
[12:03] <Kovecses> nicklas, then i installed debian sid... and couldnt get fglrx working
[12:03] <Kovecses> nicklas, then i tried ubuntu and now im golden
[12:03] <haasteem> antispeticx: yes
[12:03] <cello_rasp> what does you gnome folks use for wireless network detection?
[12:04] <Seveas> cello_rasp, network-manager
[12:04] <inventor_> can someone msg me that can help with an install using a scsi array?
[12:05] <Darky469> any news  off macromedia shockwave ?
[12:05] <nickrud> except that they'll do nothing for 64 bit, or give a darn about linux? no.
[12:05] <woodgrain> do 32 bit linux apps run on linux-64?
[12:05] <cello_rasp> seveas: is that like kismet
[12:06] <Seveas> cello_rasp, no
[12:07] <nickrud> woodgrain, not yet.
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> dd
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <nickrud> bye bye king-rapper
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <guest666> you fail
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <builder> is there a way to legally play .wmv and .mov files on Ubuntu?
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <king-rapper> d
[12:07] <Pygi> hey KING STOP IT
[12:07] <nickrud> !ops
[12:07] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[12:07] <mwe> Seveas: kick king-rapper please
[12:07] <BxL> !ops
[12:08] <BxL> duh
[12:08] <BxL> too late.
[12:08] <ace> okay...it says.........change your repositories...in snyaptic package manager..how do i do it?
[12:08] <builder> I have windows mounted as a partition under /media/windows
[12:08] <nickrud> lol, I type faster, nya nya
[12:08] <Pygi> thanks Amaranth
[12:08] <ZiX_> i blah to your blah :}
[12:08] <ZiX_> hi Amaranth :o
[12:08] <Amaranth> hi
[12:08] <ZiX_> hoi Seveas
[12:08] <goog> ace: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:09] <ace> thx
[12:09] <Nogimics> Can someone help me? I am a linux n00b and trying to move 1 file to another dir in command
[12:09] <nickrud> builder, if it's legal where you live , http:/wiki.ubuntu.com/RestricedFornats
[12:09] <nickrud> builder, if it's legal where you live , http:/wiki.ubuntu.com/RestricedFormats
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <marwal> try "mv"
[12:09] <Nogimics> Whats the syntax pls?
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <BxL> !ops
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic or nalioth
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <tr011> hi, somebody knows how can i to do the mozilla-mplayer plugin work? i have it all ready installed
[12:09] <Aggro-berlin_4ev> all in /server irc-deepzone.de
[12:09] <Seveas> ugh
[12:09] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[12:10] <Nogimics> Marwal I keep trying mv but I must be messing somehting up
[12:10] <BxL> ubotu is cool
[12:10] <ubotu> BxL: Not a clue
[12:10] <BxL> haha
[12:10] <Amaranth> they always come when i'm eating :P
[12:10] <meshe> is it the time of day for spammers?
[12:10] <Chousuke> ;/
[12:10] <Chousuke> Spammers suck.
[12:10] <Seveas> Amaranth, hehe same here
[12:10] <Seveas> Chousuke, vacuum cleaners suck too
[12:11] <lucasvo> yeah
[12:11] <marwal> mv path another_path
[12:11] <johanbr> Hi. Does anyone have any idea why my custom-built kernels fail to boot? I'm suspecting some initrd breakage.
[12:11] <Seveas> johanbr, jeez, don't give too much info.... :/
[12:11] <nickrud> johanbr, well, that's a good place to start, anyway
[12:11] <goog> i finished installing ubuntu about 5 minutes ago and its already crashing
[12:12] <Seveas> goog, ouch :/
[12:12] <lucasvo> goog: what is crashing?
[12:12] <mikelinux> ubuntu-es
[12:12] <Berg> hi
[12:12] <goog> i went to place > network servers
[12:12] <goog> and now the panel is frozen
[12:12] <bina> hi, is it safe to make the size of /dev/shm bigger by default?  Also, how do you do it?
[12:12] <Chousuke> Seveas: Yeah. In some cases they also blow and are generally full of trash!
[12:12] <johanbr> Okay. I've installed the linux-source-2.6.15 package. I compile the kernel with "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" and get a deb, which I install. I reboot and choose that kernel from the grub menu. The screen goes dark and nothing happens.
[12:12] <Seveas> Chousuke, roflol :)
[12:12] <haasteem> antisepticx: i found somewhere it should be ca(fr) in breezy
[12:13] <Seveas> johanbr, boot with single and without quiet as parameters, that should at least say sometin
[12:13] <haasteem> antisepticx: i will try a logout/login
[12:13] <goog> i also can't right-click on the desktop anymore..
[12:14] <Berg> I have partition magic now
[12:14] <Darky469> someone  knows  a  solution for  using macromedia shockwave player ?
[12:14] <johanbr> Seveas: Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I'm off to reboot...
[12:14] <meshe> goog: ctrl-alt-backspace
[12:14] <meshe> whoops, too late
[12:14] <Kovecses> Darky469, install wine and get the windows version of firefox
[12:14] <Seveas> Darky469, yes, use windows
[12:14] <nickrud> Darky469, there is no shockwave player for linux. period.
[12:14] <Seveas> shockwave in wine is a no-go
[12:15] <Kovecses> Seveas, works for me
[12:15] <Seveas> Kovecses, that's new..
[12:15] <Kovecses> Darky469, install vm ware
[12:15] <Seveas> but semi-good to hear
[12:15] <Sapentis> heya
[12:15] <cornflake> does anyone know if dapper is stable yet?
[12:15] <Seveas> !dapper
[12:15] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. It's going to be released on April 20, 2006. Not before. Use at your _own_ risk before the release date.
[12:15] <lucasvo> cornflake: no it is not
[12:15] <Darky469> oke  so if i use  wine  i can use  the windows version of  firefox ?
[12:15] <Kovecses> Seveas, well I havent tried in on ubuntu yet ... worked when i was on gentoo
[12:15] <lucasvo> cornflake: but one can use it
[12:15] <lucasvo> if one doesn't need Firefox downloadwindow... :P
[12:16] <Sapentis> Seveas, what version of ubuntu are you on?
[12:16] <lucasvo> when will that bug be fixed?
[12:16] <Pygi> cornflake: define "stable"
[12:16] <cornflake> lucasvo, i did... too bad i couldn't downgrade my system so i had to back up and reinstall
[12:17] <lucasvo> a friend of mine just did a downgrade :D
[12:17] <lucasvo> and it worked
[12:17] <iKernel> Hi there. When running a game as a normal user, when the sound intializes, I get the following error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Could not open /dev/dsp
[12:17] <Seveas> Sapentis, Breezy+some backports I made
[12:17] <Sapentis> Seveas, nice.
[12:17] <lucasvo> what is a backport?
[12:17] <iKernel> Other than that, the game runs fine. However, when running the game as root, the sound works. What could be wrong?
[12:17] <iKernel> lucasvo: www.google.com define: backport
[12:18] <cornflake> personally, i just want the latest stable packages
[12:18] <kameron> lucasvo: bakcporting is taking some things from dapper and porting them to breezy
[12:18] <cornflake> !soundserver
[12:18] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cornflake
[12:18] <lucasvo> kameron: aha
[12:18] <_null> how can I remove all packages which I installed from a custom repo?
[12:18] <cornflake> !esd
[12:18] <meshe> run game as root *shiver*
[12:18] <dutch> iKernal..make sure nothing else is trying to use the sound card....
[12:18] <Seveas> lucasvo, a backport in this case is a dapper package compiled on breezy
[12:18] <lucasvo> iKernel: you need to add the user to the audio group or something like this :D
[12:18] <lucasvo> Seveas: what backports are you using?
[12:19] <Pygi> do not use backports if you don't know what you are doin'
[12:19] <iKernel> lucasvo: I hadn't thought of that. But you see, audio DOES play as a general rule, but I will try...
[12:19] <Seveas> lucasvo, tex, gnome-bluetooth, ntfsprogs (write support!)
[12:19] <lucasvo> iKernel: this game is using the hardware directly not through ESD
[12:19] <lucasvo> or some other sounddaemon
[12:20] <iKernel> lucasvo: Not too sure...
[12:21] <lucasvo> iKernel: /dev/dsp is the hardware
[12:21] <lucasvo> gnome for e.g. is using ESD which runs under root
[12:21] <lucasvo> so it may use the hardware
[12:21] <lucasvo> afaik
[12:21] <lucasvo> Seveas: why do you need ntfs?
[12:21] <iKernel> lucasvo: So I should try adding my user to the esd group?
[12:22] <lucasvo> iKernel: I am not sure about that, it is some other group
[12:22] <iKernel> Seveas: Don't ever, EVER, EVER write to an ntfs partition under linux.
[12:22] <kameron> Seveas: how is ntfssprogs working for you???
[12:22] <McGyver^> hi to everybody
[12:22] <corresponder> hi
[12:22] <Seveas> iKernel, ghe, libntfs actually works nice :)
[12:22] <borisattva> after installing kubuntu-desktop when i load firefox i get /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html cannot be found, even though synaptics did nto mention of anything being removed for kubuntu
[12:22] <mikelinux> ntfs?
[12:22] <Seveas> kameron, ntfs-fuse
[12:23] <Seveas> it's still experimental and may break things
[12:23] <kameron> Seveas:... what? i was looking for like a "good" or "bad" response?
[12:23] <Seveas> but I don't really care
[12:23] <mikelinux> install windows on fat 32
[12:23] <Kovecses> borisattva, just change your home page
[12:23] <Seveas> kameron, ah, so far good
[12:23] <Kovecses> borisattva, error will go away
[12:23] <Seveas> kameron, but I won't recommend it if your data is valuable :)
[12:23] <kameron> Seveas: i'll have to try it out
[12:23] <lucasvo> Kovecses: but it is still a bug
[12:23] <woodgrain> how do I add a searchpath to my $PATH?
[12:23] <kameron> Seveas: nah, i wouldn't mess around with anything important.
[12:23] <jorik> use shhfs :-)
[12:23] <iKernel> Seveas: I heard that microsoft made some changes to the ntfs file system that makes it so that your ntfs security becomes courrputed if you write to ntfs under linux.
[12:23] <lucasvo> woodgrain: what searchpath?
[12:24] <Kovecses> lucasvo, been like that ever since 4.10
[12:24] <lucasvo> Kovecses: aha
[12:24] <Kovecses> lucasvo, i mean 5.04
[12:24] <woodgrain> lucasvo, /usr/share for example
[12:24] <Seveas> iKernel, "ntfs security"... now there's an oxymoron...
[12:24] <borisattva> kovecses: i figured as much, but why was it necessary to remove it in the 1st place, any idea?
[12:24] <lucasvo> woodgrain: export PATH=$PAHT:/usr/share
[12:24] <iKernel> Seveas: yeah I know... But it's better than fat32
[12:24] <woodgrain> lucasvo,  how do I see what's in my path??  WHere does PATH live??
[12:24] <lucasvo> woodgrain: print_env
[12:24] <Seveas> woodgrain, in memory :)
[12:25] <Seveas> it is set by bash and gdm
[12:25] <nickrud> woodgrain, env | sort is your friend
[12:25] <lucasvo> woodgrain: or printenv I don't know
[12:25] <mikelinux> iKernel Seveas: I heard that microsoft made some changes to the ntfs file system that makes it so that your ntfs security becomes courrputed if you write to ntfs under linux...............true , true
[12:25] <Kovecses> borisattva, its still there i just think the path is wrong
[12:25] <woodgrain> Seveas,  can't I open it with emacs somewhere and see what's in it?
[12:25] <mikelinux> sd
[12:25] <Seveas> woodgrain, no
[12:25] <jared> how can I download the track information for my cd before I rip it?
[12:25] <Seveas> woodgrain, echo $PATH
[12:25] <Seveas> then you see what's in it :)
[12:25] <woodgrain> nickrud, what' env pipe sort?
[12:25] <borisattva> thanks
[12:25] <thegladiator>  can i adjust the services that are intializd during boot up?
[12:25] <Kovecses> !why is k3b not in etch
[12:25] <ubotu> I think you lost me on that one, Kovecses
[12:25] <Kovecses> oops
[12:25] <mwe> thegladiator: sure
[12:25] <Kovecses> wrong channel
[12:25] <Seveas> thegladiator, system -> admin -> services
[12:25] <thegladiator> how ?
[12:26] <Seveas> Kovecses, -EDEBIAN :p
[12:26] <iKernel> mikelinux: I don't think it's a problem if you copy files from ntfs though. I never experianced many issues...
[12:26] <nickrud> woodgrain, env will print to the screen all of the evironment variables that are active; sort just puts them in a readable format
[12:26] <bina> jared: grip will download the track titles etc automatically I think
[12:26] <mwe> thegladiator: what do you wanna do? for enabling or disabling them look into update-rc.d
[12:26] <psycode> I'm having a problem with some realplay videos, i can move forward... any ideas what that is?
[12:26] <psycode> cant*
[12:26] <jared> bina: will sound juicer do it?
[12:26] <woodgrain> nickrud, can I redirect it to a file ?
[12:26] <Pygi> huh, that's a realplay issue, not ubuntu actually :/
[12:27] <Pygi> probably*
[12:27] <nickrud> woodgrain, env | sort > file
[12:27] <jader_> Hello all, can somebody tell me how can i log in a terminal with the user "root" ??
[12:27] <psycode> Pygi, the thing is, it wasn't always like this.. used to work :\
[12:27] <thegladiator> mwe, i need to remove the clock synchronizing feature ...where it connects to ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[12:27] <gnomefreak> jader_, sudo
[12:27] <woodgrain> nickrud,  yeah, damn!! THanks for the knowhowto.!
[12:27] <lucasvo> jader_: login with your user, than use sudo su
[12:27] <bina> jared: I've never used sound juicer.  I imagine it will.  Sorry
[12:27] <thegladiator> my machine is not conencted during boot
[12:27] <stgraber> jader_: open a terminal and the type : sudo su -
[12:27] <thegladiator> it gets connected after I run a small scrip
[12:27] <jared> bina: tanks
[12:27] <stgraber> jader_: enter your user password and you will be root
[12:28] <jader_> thanks!!
[12:28] <gnomefreak> <<perfers sudo -i
[12:28] <mwe> thegladiator: sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[12:28] <jader_> i were not able to do #su -
[12:28] <iKernel> lucasvo: My user is already in the audio group.
[12:28] <rudiz> thegladiator, system>admin>services
[12:28] <thegladiator> thanks i will try that
[12:28] <iKernel> jader_: Type in sudo -s
[12:28] <mikelinux> iKernel mikelinux: I don't think it's a problem if you copy files from ntfs though. I never experianced many issues.... and from reiserfs to ntfs?
[12:29] <iKernel> jader_: When it asks for the password, enter in your user account's password.
[12:29] <woodgrain> nickrud, so env prints my environment variables -- I can't edit this rihgt?
[12:29] <jader_> ok, i got it
[12:29] <jader_> thanks
[12:29] <woodgrain> nickrud, just to see what set to what?
[12:29] <iKernel> mikelinux: No idea.
[12:29] <nickrud> woodgrain, sure you can. for example : export MYENV=whatisiswhatis ; env | sort
[12:29] <mwe> woodgrain: /etc/environment or /etc/profile or ~/.bashrs, export VAR=value
[12:30] <psycode> how did you guys install realplayer? i might have done it wrong...
[12:30] <iKernel> mikelinux: I have copied a file or two from an ext3 partition using LTOOLS on windows...
[12:30] <woodgrain> mwe,  did you meand bashrc??
[12:30] <mwe> woodgrain: though you'd leave out export in /etc/environment
[12:30] <nickrud> woodgrain, you can alter any environment variable to suit yourself
[12:30] <kameron> woodgrain: pdv is lengthly, to just see your path, try: echo $PATH
[12:30] <tafsen> How do I turn of Nautilus drawing the desktop?
[12:30] <mwe> woodgrain: no ~/.bashrc
[12:30] <mwe> woodgrain: it means /home/<user>/.bashrc
[12:30] <iKernel> pyscode: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[12:31] <iKernel> bah, I'll just play et as root.
[12:31] <woodgrain> mwe,  yeah but you said bashrs so I was confused
[12:31] <mwe> woodgrain: really? well that was a typo then, sorry
[12:31] <nickrud> woodgrain, the most likely place to put your own env variable is .bashrc
[12:32] <oKtosiTe> tafsen: --no-desktop ?
[12:32] <saik0> Is there an OOo IRC channel for user question (non-devel stuff)
[12:33] <woodgrain> nickrud,  so I can edit my personal .bashrc file to add a path to the $PATH?
[12:33] <tafsen> what is the command for the gnome configureing tool?
[12:33] <woodgrain> mwe, I checked etc/environment and etc/profile ... these dirs don't exist -- is this okay?
[12:34] <Seveas> tafsen, gconf-editor perhaps?
[12:34] <mwe> woodgrain: export PATH="$PATH":/some/additional/path
[12:34] <woodgrain> mwe, I do have a .bashrc though
[12:34] <mwe> woodgrain: you wanna do this just for your user or systemwide?
[12:34] <woodgrain> mwe,  I can't edit the bashrc to do the same?
[12:34] <kameron> tafsen: gnome-control-center
[12:34] <oKtosiTe> tafsen: what are you trying to do?
[12:34] <woodgrain> mwe,  what's the diff between sys-wide and just me_user
[12:35] <nase> !libsdl
[12:35] <ubotu> nase: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:35] <nase> where can i get libsdl
[12:35] <jared> bina: it doesn't see my disk. What should it be set to on ubuntu /dev/cdrom ?
[12:35] <mwe> woodgrain: the difference is if you login as a different user it wont have any effect if it's only done for you
[12:35] <Pygi> nase: apt-get?
[12:35] <nase> Pygi, tried it..
[12:35] <woodgrain> mwe,  when I export PATH="$blahblah  does it overwrite or append?
[12:35] <nase> i tried "libsdl" but that didnt work
[12:35] <nase> no packages..
[12:35] <mwe> woodgrain: overwrites
[12:35] <Pygi> nase: try just sdl
[12:36] <nase> nope
[12:36] <mwe> woodgrain: export PATH="$PATH":/extra/path
[12:36] <nase> that too doesnt work
[12:36] <crimsun> nase: do you need to compile something that requires sdl?
[12:36] <woodgrain> mwe, how do I add a path to $PATH if it overwrites what was there?
[12:36] <nase> crimsun, yes
[12:36] <mwe> woodgrain: export PATH="$PATH":/extra/path
[12:36] <crimsun> nase: libsdl1.2-dev
[12:36] <mwe> woodgrain: note the PATH="$PATH" it prepends the existing path
[12:36] <nase> k
[12:37] <nickrud> woodgrain, you need to read up on login and interactive shells; but in general, what you've said is basically correct
[12:37] <woodgrain> mwe, don't understand thought you said it overwrites?
[12:37] <mwe> woodgrain: note the PATH="$PATH" it prepends the existing path
[12:37] <woodgrain> nickrud,  I'm using bash is this right?
[12:37] <mwe> woodgrain: like I said
[12:37] <nickrud> woodgrain, yes
[12:37] <made> hello all..
[12:38] <kameron> woodgrain: you can just edit /home/user/.bash_profile that's what i generally to do add to my path
[12:38] <tafsen> oKtosiTe, Im trying to make nautilus stop drawing the desktop so I can se the OpenBOX menu.
[12:38] <mwe> woodgrain: PATH=/some/path overwrites. PATH="$PATH":/some/path prepends the old path
[12:38] <made> I have a question for troubleshooting
[12:38] <gnomefreak> it works :)
[12:38] <kameron> woodgrain: doing either what mwe or i said will both work
[12:38] <nickrud> login read /etc/profile, and <home>/.bash_profile; interactive reads /etc/bashrc and .bashrc
[12:38] <C-O-L-T>  how can i disable all my iptables?
[12:39] <made> I'm trying to install gstreamer0.8-mad in terminal
[12:39] <woodgrain> nickrud,  is etc/profile the systemwide .bashrc equivalent/
[12:39] <woodgrain> kameron, thanks that's really helpful@!
[12:39] <nickrud> woodgrain, no, it's not that simple (I wish it was)
[12:39] <ULffuntu> hi, is there anyway in linux to do a mass search/replace on a folder full of m3u files?
[12:39] <mwe> nickrud: and .bash_profile is set to source .bashrc by default so putting it bashrc makes sure it's set either way, right?
[12:39] <kameron> Ulffuntu: there sure is
[12:40] <theine> made, go on...
[12:40] <made> it askes me to insert the ubuntu disk and then I do. but when I put the dvd in it reads the disk and the icon shows up on the desktop
[12:40] <kameron> Ulffuntu: try: locate *m3u
[12:40] <woodgrain> kameron, what's the best way to learn about makefiles?
[12:40] <nickrud> mwe, I always put stuff in .bashrc so I don't have to think about it, yes :)
[12:40] <made> but I hit enter to continue the installation and it still asks me to insert the disk
[12:40] <made> as if it isn't seeing my disk
[12:40] <kameron> woodgrain: i don't know what you mean?
[12:40] <nickrud> and that brings up the subject of .gnomerc , for those that are following along
[12:40] <woodgrain> kameron, "make" configuration files for compiling sources.
[12:41] <kameron> woodgrain: you want to read up on the process of compiling, etc?
[12:41] <kameron> !compile
[12:41] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[12:41] <Pygi> use gcc for compiling :P
[12:41] <erUSUL> ULffuntu, for file in `ls *.m3u` do sed -e s/string/string/ $file; done or something like that....
[12:42] <ULffuntu> erUSUL: I'm copying that down
[12:42] <made> does anybody sugges anything for my issue?
[12:42] <mwe> erUSUL: don't you need sed -i ?
[12:42] <jean> hi
[12:42] <jean> does a fan on a heatsink bow air away from the heatsink or toward?
[12:42] <jean> blow air away
[12:42] <jean> ?
[12:42] <crimsun> toward
[12:43] <ilba7r> anyone using evolution know if it is supporting automatic reply
[12:43] <erUSUL> mwe, ULffuntu it was from memory i'm not sure of the exact syntax
[12:43] <kameron> Ulffuntu: locate *m3u should be sufficient
[12:43] <mwe> you need sed -i to replace in files
[12:43] <D1> how much difference would going 1gb from 512 be?
[12:43] <theine> made, gstreamer0.8-mad probably isn't contained on the CD...
[12:43] <kameron> ohh, search and replace.
[12:43] <mwe> D1: 50% :)
[12:43] <erUSUL> mwe, is sed -e 's/str/str/'
[12:44] <crimsun> D1: it'd make considerable difference when running multiple apps in GNOME
[12:44] <jean> is a fan on a heatsink supposed to blow air toward or away from the heatsink
[12:44] <D1> hmm
[12:44] <Dreamglider> can anyone help me install java
[12:44] <mwe> erUSUL: what's that?
[12:44] <oKtosiTe> ilba7r: if it does, make sure it doesn't auto-reply to spam. My dad now gets about 150 spam messages everyday thanks to an autoresponder he set up.
[12:44] <crimsun> jean: I just answered that.
[12:44] <spacey_ki> jean, to
[12:44] <made> so should I remove the ubuntu cd from my repositories?
[12:44] <erUSUL> mwe i thought that ULffuntu want to replace a word in every file of a dir
[12:44] <kameron> jean: TOWARDS
[12:44] <mwe> erUSUL: it will replace something in a string but to replace something in a file you need sed -i
[12:44] <ilba7r> oKtosiTe, thanx for the hint
[12:44] <ULffuntu> erUSUL: yeah, what happened was my mp3s switched partitions
[12:44] <jean> air goes to heatsink
[12:45] <oKtosiTe> ilba7r: ;-)
[12:45] <kameron> jean, yes
[12:45] <Inf3ctedFx> hey guys question: if I want to connect remotly to annother ubuntu box using ssh just typing ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:45] <ULffuntu> erUSUL: so Z:/ goes to G:/
[12:45] <mwe> ULffuntu: use sed -i or it wont do what you want I think
[12:45] <theine> made, please post your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[12:45] <nickrud> jean, towards, unless the instruction say otherwise (you never know with some manufacturers)
[12:45] <kameron> inf3ctedfx: no .com generally
[12:45] <ilba7r> D1, i have a 1gb here do not see any difference but i run light weight wm and do not have mem intensive appl
[12:45] <gnomefreak> isnt it ssh -x
[12:45] <Inf3ctedFx> I mean the IP address kameron
[12:45] <kameron> inf3ctedfx: yeah
[12:45] <Inf3ctedFx> just the ip withount .com
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ssh -X
[12:46] <crimsun> gnomefreak: only if you want to tunnel the remote [gui]  application
[12:46] <jean> how does a heat sink work then
[12:46] <jean> nickrud: this isnt even for a cpu...its a watercooler
[12:46] <spacey_ki> Inf3ctedFx, either the hostname OR the IP address
[12:46] <gnomefreak> X lags big time under ssh
[12:46] <Inf3ctedFx> oks how about on the GUI enviroment? can I use the Terminal Server Client?
[12:46] <ilba7r> D1, so long you do not use the swap they are basically the same 512 and 1gb
[12:46] <crimsun> gnomefreak: you should be using vnc tunneled through ssh, then.
[12:46] <woodgrain> kameron, should I edit my .bashrc or my etc/profile to get more paths included in PATH?
[12:46] <kameron> jean: a heatsink is made of a heat conductive material that draws heat away from a device (cpu, etc). blowing on that with a fan helps disappate heat.
[12:46] <nickrud> jean, then, read your instructions, except: think where will the heat go, and the fastest.
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ohhhhhh ok i only sshed once and i used -X didnt know any better
[12:47] <kameron> woodgrain: edit /home/user/.bash_profile
[12:47] <crimsun> woodgrain: ~/.bashrc
[12:47] <jean> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heatsink
[12:47] <kameron> eh, i do .bash_profile crimsun
[12:47] <theine> woodgrain, better edit ~/.gnomerc and modify your path there (if you're using gnome that is...)
[12:47] <crimsun> kameron: ~/.bash_profile isn't sourced for non-login shells
[12:47] <woodgrain> crimsun, but would emacsing up my etc/profile isn't smart?  Why?
[12:47] <kameron> crimsun: what?
[12:47] <mwe> kameron: that will only work for login shells
[12:48] <nickrud> lol, /etc/bashrc for everyone, .bashrc for you, and .gnomerc for you in gnome
[12:48] <Thunderguy> I was playing my media player xmms, then all of a sudden it locked up so I killed it with the gnome-kill app, and the process wouldn't die on me so I kept killing the process until it was gone, afterwards upon restarting it still won't play saying that it is unable to output to my audio, my audio output is set to Alsa, after some fiddling around X locked up so I restarted it with ctrl-alt-backspace upon reloading the GDM login screen was
[12:48] <kameron> mwe, crimsun, what's a non login shell, what do you mean?
[12:48] <crimsun> woodgrain: because it's not a good idea to muck with system conffiles unless necessary.
[12:48] <woodgrain> theine,  I'm in bash though, through gnome, but still bash ... does gnomerc do the smae thign?
[12:48] <Pygi> !patience
[12:48] <ubotu> There are a lot of questions, but only few who might answer you. Please be patient.
[12:48] <_null> how can I remove all packages which I installed from a custom repo?
[12:48] <woodgrain> crimsun,  yeah, i appreciate that logic, thx.
[12:48] <mwe> kameron: .bashrc is sourced from .bash_profile by default making sure it's read in either case
[12:48] <made> what is #flood    .. I'm new to irc as well..
[12:48] <kameron> made: it's a place where people post excessive lines for others to read
[12:48] <gnomefreak> made, type /join #flood
[12:48] <jader_> can somebody tell me if the default ubuntu installation comes with and cd/dvd burner??
[12:49] <gnomefreak> later all
[12:49] <kameron> made: so it doesn't clog up other channels, like this one
[12:49] <kameron> jader_: it does
[12:49] <Seveas> jader_, nautilus can burn to cd, so yes
[12:49] <kameron> gnomefreak: lates
[12:49] <theine> woodgrain, yes, the difference is that if you don't set your path in ~/.gnomerc, the Gnome environment is not aware of it
[12:49] <made> ok
[12:49] <Pygi> freaky: bye
[12:49] <jader_> thanks
[12:49] <Pygi> freaky: answer my mail :P
[12:49] <Inf3ctedFx> there is any way to access to another linux pc using the Terminal Server Client?
[12:49] <kameron> mwe: okay, what is a non login shell though? i don't get that.
[12:50] <made> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[12:50] <kameron> mwe: and if .bashrc is sourced from .bash_profile shouldn't you edit profile?
[12:50] <woodgrain> theine, is it normal to edit .gnomerc?
[12:50] <spacey_ki> Inf3ctedFx, not the same one as windows, but you can use FreeNX
[12:50] <nickrud> kameron, a login shell is where you have to enter your password; any other shell you do not (as I understand it)
[12:50] <kameron> made: sudo <command> /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:50] <made> ok hehe
[12:50] <Inf3ctedFx> FreeNX?
[12:50] <theine> woodgrain, I do it
[12:50] <crimsun> kameron: ~/.bash_profile isn't always read.
[12:50] <kameron> nickrud: what sort of shell can you use that doesn't require a password?
[12:50] <mwe> kameron: one running under your current login
[12:50] <woodgrain> theine, what is a good edit you do yourself/
[12:51] <nickrud> kameron, gnome-terminal is an example of a non-login shell
[12:51] <made> what should the command be?
[12:51] <Barry_even> How do you install files to a palm?
[12:51] <nickrud> from the app menu, that is
[12:51] <corypho> hello
[12:51] <ULffuntu> hola
[12:51] <made> sorry for my noobishness
[12:51] <corypho> i have a problem with ubuntu..can anyone help me?
[12:51] <kameron> nickrud, crimsun, mwe: really? so if i add something to my path in ~/.bash_profile, and open up gnome-terminal and try to execute it from a diff directory, it won't happen?
[12:51] <theine> woodgrain, export PATH=${PATH}:${HOME}/bin
[12:52] <theine> woodgrain, that's handy
[12:52] <woodgrain> nickrud, what's gnome-terminal is it a real schell?
[12:52] <lucasvo> corypho: ask a intelligent question... what's the problem
[12:52] <mwe> kameron: by default, I believe so
[12:52] <zorak> anyone know of a way to increase your mouse's scroll whell speed?
[12:52] <mwe> kameron: you can change resources and shorcuts to change it though
[12:52] <kameron> zorak: if you're in gnome, open gnome-control-center
[12:52] <woodgrain> theine, that adds /bin to both path and home?
[12:52] <kameron> mwe: that's strange, because i've _always_ edited .bash_profile to change my path, and never ever had it not read by gnome-terminal or konsole, etc.
[12:52] <Barry_even> anyone snyc their palm with ubuntu?
[12:53] <zorak> thanks kameron
[12:53] <kameron> zorak: werd
[12:53] <theine> woodgrain, no, that adds /home/<user>/bin to PATH
[12:53] <woodgrain> Barry_even,  I sunk my palm in a river once.
[12:53] <made> I would like to sync my ppc with unbuntu.. but that's another story
[12:53] <ULffuntu> made: are you ubuntu ppc?
[12:53] <ilba7r> kameron you need to change the path in .bashrc not bash_profile
[12:53] <ilba7r> there is discussion on the forum on that
[12:53] <woodgrain> theine,  if I'm going to write some binaries, should I put them in /home/user/bin or in a more systemwide place?
[12:53] <kameron> woodgrain: you've synched your palm to the bottom of a river, but what about to linux?
[12:54] <nickrud> woodgrain, it's not obvious, but it's simple. the best thing I could suggest is setting variables in /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, and ~/.bashrc, and try logging into virtual consoles and gnome-terminals, and see what is recognized where.
[12:54] <kameron> ilba7r: link?
[12:54] <woodgrain> kameron,  hell I'd never do that to my linux box.
[12:54] <ilba7r> kafeine, ok give me a min
[12:54] <kameron> woodgrain: :P
[12:54] <theine> woodgrain, if you're the only one using those binaries, I'd put them in ~/bin
[12:55] <Inf3ctedFx> hey spacey_ki I already downlad it how can I start it
[12:55] <theine> ... which is the same as ${HOME}/bin ...
[12:55] <ilba7r> kafeine, a little bit old one but is the one i used http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23938&highlight=path+bash
[12:55] <woodgrain> nickrud, don't understand 'what's where'
[12:55] <kameron> ilba7r: are you talking to me, or kafeine?
[12:56] <nickrud> woodgrain, I know, I wasn't clear enough. It deserves a wiki page, with some examples. I'll do some someday.
[12:56] <ekorridorn> I've got a question: I try to get my nvidia geforce4 4200ti workin with ubuntu, when using "nv" driver in xorg.conf I get good working 2D-accell in 1600x1200 at wanted refresh rate, but when I'm using "nvidia" driver I can only run in  1200x1024, refresh rate is still good, I've tried with Modlines and Hsynx and Vsync is at right values, anyone know how to solve this?
[12:56] <theine> nickrud, please mention ~/.gnomerc on that wiki page...
[12:56] <ilba7r> kameron, you asked for a link for the .bashrc and bash_profile right
[12:56] <woodgrain> nickrud, theine  says it's best to put it in ~/bin --> no-one else uses these so why not?
[12:57] <nickrud> theine, yes, as a place to avoid :)
[12:57] <nickrud> except, maybe for a path
[12:57] <kameron> ilba7r: yeah, then you started talking to kafeine, but he hasn't said anything.. in.. a very long time, if at all today
[12:57] <theine> nickrud, or WINDOW_MANAGER
[12:57] <nickrud> woodgrain, I have all my personal bash scripts in ~/bin
[12:57] <mwe> kameron: try adding something like echo "FOO" to the end of .bash_profile and echo "BAR" to the end of .bashrc. then type bash <enter> then bash --login <enter> and see the difference. You made me uncertain as about the default gnome behaiviour though
[12:57] <woodgrain> nickrud, what's the bias against ~/.gnomerc?
[12:57] <ilba7r> kameron, sorry i am using tab completionperhaps i made a mistake
[12:57] <kafeine> kameron, haven't said anything in this channel the whole week, i reckon
[12:57] <kameron> mwe: ill give it a try in a bit
[12:58] <kameron> ilba7r: oh, okay, i get it. i was confused
[12:58] <nickrud> woodgrain, no bias, it's just that .gnomerc can be abused.
[12:58] <woodgrain> nickrud, so ~/bin should be for my pers. shell scripts -- should I have a ~/etc for applications/
[12:58] <kameron> kafeine: haha! wow. that's strange. just a lot of reading hey.
[12:58] <zorak> kameron, i was able to open gnome-control-center, but the mouse preferences do not include an option for increasing scroll wheel speed
[12:58] <holycow> what kernel is the next version ofubuntu supposed to ship with?
[12:58] <fanopnaic> 2.6.15 IIRC
[12:58] <holycow> cool
[12:58] <holycow> thx
[12:58] <kameron> holy crap xchat has tab completion, where have i been.
[12:58] <fanopnaic> yes
[12:58] <Toma-> yeh .15
[12:58] <Mr_Molez> can anyone help me, i cant see to find my cdrom drive
[12:59] <nickrud> woodgrain, sure, why not. I use ~/share for that kind of thing. No necessity for any particular dir
[12:59] <Mr_Molez> *seem
[12:59] <Inf3ctedFx> ok I'm trying to connect to another machinne but it wont connect it said connect to host xxx.xxx.xxx.xx port 22: Connection Refused
[12:59] <zorak> ya, i just realized that
[12:59] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: yeah and so?
[12:59] <woodgrain> Mr_Molez, system_admin_disks
[12:59] <Toma-> Mr_Molez: should be in your computer. IF youve installed it. ;D
[12:59] <Inf3ctedFx> I need to connect to another machine via ssh
[12:59] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, make sure an ssh server is running on the remote machine...
[12:59] <Inf3ctedFx> I dont know why is not connecting
[12:59] <Korupt> how do I get JRE working on firefox in ubuntu??
[12:59] <Mr_Molez> Toma-: ohh yeh i see it now, thanks
[12:59] <Inf3ctedFx> how can I know that theine
[01:00] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, is the other machine runnnin Ubuntu as well?
[01:00] <Toma-> haha
[01:00] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: is the port open on the machine ie not firewalled and is anything listening on port 22?
[01:00] <B_166-ER-X> does anybody would be knowing why i cannot see the 'images' of other people on aMSN 0.95 ?
[01:00] <Mr_Molez> woodgrain: systemsettings ?
[01:00] <woodgrain> nickrud, what's the std install location for linux applciations: /share or /etc?
[01:00] <Toma-> B_166-ER-X: are the other people using msn 7.5?
[01:00] <zorak> does anyone know of a setting for increasing mouse wheel scroll speed? the mouse preferences do not allow you to change it...
[01:00] <Inf3ctedFx> yes mwe
[01:00] <ULffuntu> have you guys ever saved a text file in gedit and then opened it with notepad in XP? Can you fix those linefeed chars?
[01:00] <woodgrain> Mr_Molez, use your mouse to go to System --> administration --> disks ... should be able to find it that way!
[01:00] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: I guess the ssh server is not running at the machine
[01:00] <kameron> woodgrain, to answer your question from quite a while ago about "make" and compilers, you could also check this out: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-Building-HOWTO.html
[01:00] <B_166-ER-X> Toma... i dont know that. but it does that for everyone
[01:01] <nickrud> woodgrain, standard is: binaries in /usr/bin, libs and the like in /usr/lib/, and the rest usually ends up in /usr/share
[01:01] <Inf3ctedFx> ok mwe  maybe now how can I make it run?
[01:01] <kameron> woodgrain, but that's just some random howto i found, try searching around on tldp.org or linuxquestions.com or something for a good guide
[01:01] <Toma-> B_166-ER-X: ahh i see. join #amsn and ask them
[01:01] <Mr_Molez> woodgrain: i think its because i just installed a new kernel, it was working before. Ive tried loading all the modules but i still cant get it to work
[01:01] <woodgrain> kameron,  oh, yeah that's where I should have looked to start TLDP!!!! rulez
[01:01] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: so nothing is listening on port 22
[01:01] <kameron> woodgrain, i LOVE tldp
[01:01] <B_166-ER-X> thx
[01:01] <BearHunter> How do I change grub to boot to windows by default?
[01:01] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: you need to read a ssh tutorial
[01:01] <woodgrain> Mr_Molez, ask someone else, I can' t help!@
[01:01] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, if the other machine is running Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:01] <nickrud> woodgrain, dpkg -L <package> tells you where each package puts it's files
[01:01] <Mr_Molez> woodgrain: hehe ok
[01:01] <Inf3ctedFx> oks
[01:02] <ekorridorn> anyone, no?
[01:02] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: you can't just expect to be able to ssh to some machine
[01:02] <ULffuntu> BearHunter: there is a line called default in menu.lst
[01:02] <kameron> B_166-ER-X, do you have imagemagick installed? amsn requires that
[01:02] <Toma-> kameron: theres simpler and more ubuntu biased howtos on the ubuntu wiki
[01:02] <Inf3ctedFx> mwe:  I used to do it with slack xD
[01:02] <mwe> ugh. amsn
[01:02] <woodgrain> nickrud, thanks good switch to know.
[01:02] <ULffuntu> BearHunter: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:02] <BearHunter> Ulffuntu: I open that file an edit it?
[01:03] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: then you must have configured the server at the remote machine or someone else had
[01:03] <kameron> Toma-, pass that on to woodgrain if you have a link
[01:03] <Inf3ctedFx> mwe: is the ssh already install now how can I make it run?
[01:03] <Toma-> !wiki
[01:03] <ULffuntu> BearHunter: yeah, I think you can change the default startup entry that way
[01:03] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, did you install openssh-server?
[01:03] <kameron> mwe: not an amsn fan? i love it. and the new .95 has webcam support too, very cool.
[01:03] <Inf3ctedFx> I'm trying to help a friend with the sound card so I;m going in
[01:03] <Inf3ctedFx> yes theine
[01:03] <soundray> BearHunter, add a line 'default n' to /boot/grub/menu.lst. Replace n with the number of the stanza that boots Windows. Counting starts at 0.
[01:04] <ULffuntu> yeah
[01:04] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, actually your friend needs to install openssh-server of course. did he do that?
[01:04] <Delvien> I forgot the command to clear the dmesg list, can anyone tell me?
[01:04] <Inf3ctedFx> yes theine
[01:04] <ryblo_f> I can't get my serial modem (on /dev/ttyS0) to respond to any AT commands... verified working in Windows.  Any kind help?
[01:04] <cyphase> we need something like http://www.koobox.com/ for Ubuntu
[01:04] <cyphase> :P
[01:04] <woodgrain> Toma-,  I want to cross compile for something else, can ununtu wiki heLP?
[01:04] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, than it's already running on his machine
[01:04] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: you need to install the ssh package
[01:04] <BearHunter> ok trying that, thanks
[01:04] <Toma-> woodgrain: cross compile? what are you compiling for?
[01:04] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: then configure it
[01:05] <Inf3ctedFx> the ssh package?
[01:05] <woodgrain> Toma-, arm7
[01:05] <Inf3ctedFx> how can I configure it? mwe ?
[01:05] <tafsen> How can I check if my graphic card is properly installed? And if it suports Open GL?
[01:05] <f1k0ym4k4> hi!! i'm new, somebody speak spanish?
[01:05] <nickrud> ryblo_f, try http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[01:05] <theine> mwe, it works pretty fine without configuration
[01:05] <Delvien> Can anyone tell me the command to clear the dmesg list. isnt it something like sudo dmesg -l or something
[01:05] <Toma-> cant you just pass --march=arm7 or something?
[01:05] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: RTFM. sorry I don't know any better way to explain it
[01:05] <f1k0ym4k4> where is the console ? :S:S
[01:05] <Toma-> sorry, --darch
[01:05] <theine> Inf3ctedFx, just try to ssh to your friend's machine now
[01:05] <soundray> ryblo_f, are you using terminal software like minicom?
[01:06] <Inf3ctedFx> oks theine
[01:06] <Inf3ctedFx> let me c
[01:06] <Inf3ctedFx> its ok mwe
[01:06] <mwe> theine: ssh works without configuration?
[01:06] <theine> mwe, yes
[01:06] <ryblo_f> soundray, that, or just 'sudo echo AT > /dev/ttyS0'
[01:06] <mwe> theine: how can I ssh to a machine without a key pair?
[01:06] <Mr_Molez> can anyone work out why i cant get my cdrom drive working ?
[01:06] <nickrud> f1k0ym4k4, the 'console' is at alt-ctl-f1
[01:06] <ULffuntu> anybody here work alot with gedit & notepad.exe?
[01:06] <Thunderguy> I have a problem in linux with kernel memory curroption and need to reboot the kernel, but how can I do this while keeping some programs open and network connections open?
[01:06] <theine> mwe, using a password?
[01:07] <soundray> ryblo_f, of course you wouldn't see any output from the latter.
[01:07] <mwe> theine: just a password?
[01:07] <theine> mwe, sure
[01:07] <kameron> thunderguy: i don't think you can
[01:07] <nickrud> Thunderguy, I think you ask for the impossible :)\
[01:07] <ryblo_f> soundray, no, I understand... but even commands like ATDT do nothing you see
[01:07] <mwe> theine: that takes the "secure" part away from secure shell though
[01:07] <theine> mwe, no it doesn't
[01:07] <zorak> does anyone know of a setting for increasing mouse wheel scroll speed? the mouse preferences do not allow you to change it...
[01:07] <Toma-> woodgrain: ./configure --target=arm7-linux
[01:07] <Toma-> i think
[01:08] <Thunderguy> It might not be corruption though, what the problem is, /dev/dsp is locked by a program that no longer exists in cpu/memory space.
[01:08] <BearHunter> Is it safe to use the 'saved' option to use the savedefault setting instead of a number?
[01:08] <soundray> ryblo_f, how about in minicom? Silence, too?
[01:08] <theine> mwe, that's the standard way of using ssh, private
[01:08] <Thunderguy> So how do I unlock a device, that a non-existant program has locked?
[01:08] <ryblo_f> soundray, yes minicom, wvdial, even the GTK stuff, silence
[01:08] <kameron> zorak: hmm, i know the kde control center has that option, i assumed that gnome does too, but i don't really use gnome
[01:08] <mwe> theine: um I would say so, not using encryption keys breaks the basic idea of ssh
[01:08] <johanbr> Well, what do you know. The kernel I compiled a week ago just decided to start working. :) I installed a new ubuntu kernel in the meantime, so maybe the install procedure for that cast some initrd spells that made it all work.
[01:08] <kameron> thunderguy: like a program that's hanging?
[01:08] <theine> mwe, please educate yourself
[01:08] <Thunderguy> kameron: Yes, except it isn't hanging anymore, I made it stop hanging and die
[01:08] <nickrud> Thunderguy, you could try killall on the process that is active on 'lsof /dev/dsp' , maybe
[01:08] <woodgrain> Toma-,  do you do this stuff?
[01:09] <theine> mwe, you are wrong on this, trust me
[01:09] <kameron> thunderguy: im lost, what's the problem?
[01:09] <mwe> theine: however do what you like. I would never allow password only login to my machines
[01:09] <Thunderguy> ah ok.
[01:09] <woodgrain> Toma-, compiling for other platforms?
[01:09] <zorak> alright then, maybe i'll try swtiching to kde
[01:09] <Toma-> woodgrain: not on ubuntu. used to on fedora
[01:09] <zorak> the mouse speed is unbearable :P
[01:09] <soundray> ryblo_f, is the modem physically attached to your serial port, or is it built in and emulating a port in some way?
[01:09] <Thunderguy> nickrud: It couldn't stat /dev/dsp said information may be incomplete
[01:09] <woodgrain> Toma-,  how small can I make the Ubuntu install ?
[01:10] <Toma-> woodgrain: 350mb, iirc
[01:10] <Dreamglider> i'd love to get java installed/or working in firefox, can anyone assist me ?
[01:10] <Toma-> thats a server install i do believe
[01:10] <kameron> !java
[01:10] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[01:10] <ryblo_f> soundray, physically on /dev/ttyS0 port
[01:10] <ryblo_f> soundray, serial cable
[01:10] <woodgrain> Toma-,  thx ... too bad it's too big.
[01:10] <theine> mwe, private/public key pairs are commonly used for password-*less* logins which can actually be considered to less secure
[01:11] <Toma-> woodgrain: what are you planning to install on?
[01:11] <korridoren> I hate nvidia
[01:11] <woodgrain> Toma-,  some custy platforms I am building.
[01:11] <Toma-> i see
[01:11] <mwe> theine: how are they less secure unless someone steals your private key and how would they do that without breaking in in the first place?
[01:11] <nickrud> Thunderguy, I've never had that output, just almost that esd is tying it up.
[01:12] <Toma-> with an arm7, i thought it might have been some special embedded device...
[01:12] <theine> and besides, these key pairs are only used for authentication and have nothing to do with the encryption of all other traffic
[01:12] <tr011> korridoren, nvidia is better than ati, a lot more... specially if we begin to talk about the lnx suport and the drivers
[01:12] <mwe> theine: I know that
[01:12] <woodgrain> Toma-, what does that ./configure --target=XXX do?
[01:12] <soundray> ryblo_f, what's the output from ls -l /dev/ttyS0 ?
[01:12] <djfdsfds> can someone help me with this error, ./eggdrop: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:12] <blanky> is there a limewire/gnutella channel
[01:12] <theine> mwe, so what? are you afraid of people guessing your password?
[01:12] <ryblo_f> soundray, paste it in the channel?
[01:12] <jader_> is there some way i can convert a NTFS partition to VFAT on linux without losing data??
[01:12] <Seveas> ryblo_f, NO
[01:12] <djfdsfds> the file is there, why cant the sysem find it?
[01:13] <soundray> ryblo_f, it's only one line, so I don't think anyone will mind.
[01:13] <Toma-> woodgrain: it should tell the configure, to create the makefile with arm7 specific cpu instructions
[01:13] <nickrud> djfdsfds, apt-cache search libtcl will probably find what you're afiter
[01:13] <Seveas> ryblo_f, use tha pastebin (see /topic)
[01:13] <ryblo_f> crw-rw----  1 root dialout 4, 64 2006-01-07 16:10 /dev/ttyS0
[01:13] <woodgrain> Toma-,  what's the configure?
[01:13] <mwe> theine: but I want to prevent unauthorized access. how is private public keys more insecure? It's pretty damn harder if not impossible to brute force an encrypted key
[01:13] <woodgrain> Toma-, configuration file?
[01:13] <mwe> theine: and yes that's the point
[01:13] <Toma-> woodgrain: yes
[01:13] <mwe> theine: not giving way to brute force
[01:13] <korridoren> tr011 : ok, It's just refuses to work for no apperent reason, and no one (gone through all the recomended guides, nvidia forum, and other forums) seems to know how to fix it
[01:13] <woodgrain> Toma-, when you were cross compiling were you writing your own configureation files/
[01:14] <Toma-> nope
[01:14] <Toma-> just building rpms
[01:14] <tafsen> How can I check if my graphic card is properly installed? And if it suports Open GL?
[01:14] <blanky> anyone know of a limewire/gnutella channel
[01:14] <korridoren> tr011 : And I'm not hackin good enough to fix it by my self...
[01:14] <theine> mwe, brute force attacks are very
[01:14] <woodgrain> Toma-, rpms for what target platform?
[01:14] <djfdsfds> nickrud, libtcl is installed fine
[01:14] <ryblo_f> soundray, it's in the pastebin...
[01:14] <Toma-> woodgrain: nothing fantastic, just 386 > 686 > ppc
[01:14] <djfdsfds> root@phobos:/etc# whereis libtcl8.4.so
[01:14] <djfdsfds> libtcl8.4: /usr/local/lib/libtcl8.4.so
[01:15] <theine> ... easily avoided by not allowing more than 3 logins per minute or whatever
[01:15] <jean> anyone tried the game beneath a steel blue sky?
[01:15] <Toma-> jean: yes
[01:15] <soundray> ryblo_f, for one line... :)
[01:15] <korridoren> jean : sure, loooong time ago
[01:15] <jean> in the repository
[01:15] <jean> good game
[01:15] <soundray> ryblo_f, looks fine.
[01:15] <mwe> theine: Well on my servers I wouldn't allow password only logins. I'd use encrypted keys combined with a strong password
[01:15] <Toma-> jean:  yep. also, try scummvm
[01:16] <korridoren> jean : cool, guess I could run it without my gfx card as well! Jippi!
[01:16] <ryblo_f> soundray, yes everything seems to be fine... I can't figure it out
[01:16] <theine> I would be more afraid that somebody in my office goes up to my computer while i'm off for coffee (and forgot to lock the screen) and steals my private key
[01:16] <jean> Toma-: just scummvm?
[01:16] <soundray> ryblo_f, I haven't worked with serial in Ubuntu - let me just check how it's set up...
[01:16] <mwe> theine: maybe that's just me, but I see your point too
[01:16] <Toma-> jean: itll lead you to all the other old-skool games :)
[01:16] <ryblo_f> soundray, thanks  a lot for your help
[01:16] <theine> mwe, peace
[01:16] <Toma-> jean: http://www.scummvm.org/downloads.php#extras
[01:16] <narles> can't get vlc player working with sound.. terminal says i'm missing qdm2 codec... any suggestions?
[01:16] <Toma-> flight of the amazon queen is rad
[01:17] <jean> Toma-: you mean download some to put into it?
[01:17] <thingfish> misfit_toy: are you watching in here?
[01:17] <nickrud> djfdsfds, ah, I can safely say you are on your own, since libtcl8 is local (you did it yourself) but, you could look into ld.so.conf (?)
[01:17] <Toma-> jean: yes
[01:17] <jean> Toma-: did you try lost labyrinth?
[01:17] <Toma-> nope...
[01:18] <jean> Toma-: glob2? battle for wesnoth?
[01:18] <jean> good games
[01:18] <djfdsfds> nickrud, until about 2 minuts ago(when i made it manually) id dint have a ld.so.conf but i really dont know the syntax
[01:18] <jean> all free
[01:18] <Toma-> glob2, yeh like that. wesnoth, i hated
[01:18] <soundray> ryblo_f, if you enter 'dmesg | less' or similar and search for ttyS, do you find output from serial setup?
[01:18] <Toma-> turn based stuff irritates the hell out of me
[01:18] <soundray> ryblo_f, you can pastebin it if you like...
[01:18] <nickrud> djfdsfds, why do you have a local tcl, anyway? ubuntu comes with a perfectly useful one in the repositories
[01:19] <ryblo_f> 'dmesg | grep tty' returns nothing...
[01:19] <djfdsfds> it wasnt working, so i installed it from source
[01:19] <narles> can't get vlc player working with sound.. terminal says i'm missing qdm2 codec... any suggestions?
[01:19] <djfdsfds> it didnt help
[01:19] <nickrud> well, I hope perfectly useful. It used to be.
[01:19] <ryblo_f> soundray, 'dmesg | grep tty' returns nothing...
[01:19] <soundray> ryblo_f, oh!
[01:20] <jean> Toma-: hows flight of the amazon queen
[01:20] <ryblo_f> soundray, ohh...
[01:20] <soundray> ryblo_f, well, that's at least a good reason for your modem not to respond :)
[01:20] <nickrud> djfdsfds, did you have problems finding the files needed for tcl development?
[01:20] <ryblo_f> soundray, missing module or..?
[01:20] <Toma-> i liked it. i think they made a movie about it recently...
[01:20] <djfdsfds> eggdrp wont compile or work right
[01:20] <Toma-> jean: ^^
[01:20] <djfdsfds> thats all i really care about tcl for
[01:20] <sluttie> can someone help to change keyboard from qwerty to azerty
[01:21] <chorse> anyone here using dapper?
[01:21] <thierry_> chorse : in my chroot only, it depends what you want....
[01:21] <soundray> ryblo_f, sorry, still digging...
[01:21] <IM> Has anyone Tried installing 5.10 under a windows Virtual Server 2005?
[01:22] <nickrud> djfdsfds, try installing tcl8.4-dev, or tclx8.4dev (a quick read, I haven't done any tcl for a long time)
[01:22] <IM> Just playing with the live CD to see if X will start... Works on the hardware without VS2k5 but not under VS.
[01:22] <chorse> thierry_: oh i just think about doing an dist-upgrade on my box @home
[01:23] <djfdsfds> actaully i got it, i just copied the tcl into /usr/lib
[01:23] <soundray> ryblo_f, /boot/config-* indicates that serial is loaded static (not as a module).
[01:23] <nickrud> djfdsfds, what works, works. But in the long term, learning the tools will help.
[01:23] <soundray> ryblo_f, could it be a device conflict?
[01:23] <crouton> howdy folks
[01:23] <crouton> !ndiswrapper
[01:23] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:23] <Toma-> IM: most Virtual Machines need to install their own display drivers, because the people making the distro dont exactly care about VM support :/
[01:24] <ryblo_f> soundray, no idea...
[01:24] <djfdsfds> ive never had a problem with tcl with any other distro i have ever used.... i used apt get to get tcl, it disnt work, whats a person to do?
[01:24] <thierry_> chorse : well forget it until preview releases, dapper is really not stable enough right now
[01:24] <crouton> anybody had problems with 'modprobe ndiswrapper'?  I'm getting 'module ndiswrapper not found'.
[01:24] <soundray> ryblo_f, is it a pretty bare PC or is it loaded to the brim with expansion cards?
[01:25] <IM> TOMA I am gussing I am pretty much screwed... Just trying to leverage existing equip....
[01:25] <zorak> does ubuntu include kde gui, and if so, how do you switch?
[01:25] <nickrud> djfdsfds, debian lays things out differently: you need to get the -dev files for compiling, and the names are not the ones you'd expect coming from mandriva-land
[01:25] <Toma-> IM: so X isnt starting?
[01:25] <ryblo_f> soundray, fairly loaded... I think I saw some parameters for my ISA soundcard when I was playing with stty and setserial...
[01:25] <soundray> zorak, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <kemik> zorak:  kubuntu .. or apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[01:25] <thingfish> zorak: I think you have to go looking for kubuntu, if you want kde.
[01:25] <chorse> thierry_: well i don't expect a perfectly stable system
[01:25] <nickrud> djfdsfds, it's all a matter of semantics.
[01:26] <theine> djfdsfds, what exactly doesn't work?
[01:26] <zorak> ah, that's what kubuntu is :)
[01:26] <zorak> thanks
[01:26] <narles> Hey, I can't get VLC media player to work with sound on certain .mov's... terminal says it cannot find the qdm2 codec... any suggestions on how to get it working?
[01:26] <djfdsfds> nickrud, madrake ownz =p
[01:26] <djfdsfds> uromi never let me down
[01:26] <djfdsfds> urpmi*
[01:26] <thierry_> chorse : it's the way you like, testing is always needed :) but you need to understand how to fill bug and this stuff to help
[01:26] <nickrud> mandrake 7.3 owned, I will claim debian owns since then :)
[01:26] <theine> djfdsfds, what exactly doesn't work?
[01:26] <IM> Toma, X starts however the display is unreadable... Like it is @ the wrong refresh rate or res... I tride in 640x480 and still unreadable....
[01:27] <soundray> ryblo_f, an ISA soundcard can cause that kind of trouble in principle. Would it be difficult to remove it, reboot and rerun dmesg | grep tty ?
[01:27] <Toma-> IM have you tried setting the right Vert and/or Horz Sync?
[01:27] <amb> zorak: kde works perfectly well using normal ubuntu - no need to install ubuntu
[01:27] <amb> zorak: I mean no need to install kubuntu
[01:27] <chorse> thierry_: sure, that's no problem. just wanted to get some expieriences before i do the upgrade
[01:28] <IM> Nope, just trying defaults on the live CD. Pretty painful going through the install 12 times...... First time under VS2k5
[01:28] <ryblo_f> soundray, worth a try I suppose...  Ah!  and I see that a part of the soundcard is trying to use IRQ 4.
[01:28] <amb> zorak: forget it. I thought you said kdevelop. Must get more sleep
[01:29] <zorak> np, thx
[01:29] <Toma-> IM: live CD wont be much fun. everytime you reboot it, the settings will be lost
[01:29] <soundray> ryblo_f, the other thing you could do is play with the BIOS options for the IRQ and address for the COM port as they tend to be called in the setup.
[01:29] <thierry_> chorse : it would be a good idea to wait for test (or colony I don't know) release, right now we are still adding packages and fixing stuff so...
[01:29] <theine> djfdsfds, `tcl is not working' is not very specific...
[01:29] <ryblo_f> soundray, will do.  think we made some headway :)  Thanks again for the help!
[01:29] <narles> video sucks on ubuntu
[01:29] <soundray> ryblo_f, or even switch the jumpers on the soundcard around...
[01:29] <IM> I guess I could perform the install and play with X
[01:29] <ryblo_f> soundray, jumpers?  naah, this is a classy plug and play ISA board  ;P
[01:30] <soundray> ryblo_f, :)
[01:30] <Toma-> IM: it'll be easier :)
[01:30] <djfdsfds> thanks guys
[01:30] <soundray> ryblo_f, glad I could help a little.
[01:30] <Kovecses> there have been alot of gentoo vs ubuntu battles going on
[01:30] <ryblo_f> soundray, :D
[01:30] <IM> Yea......
[01:30] <narles> how does gentoo handle video
[01:30] <goog> totem
[01:30] <yatesy> with a video player usually
[01:31] <goog> lol
[01:31] <Kovecses> gentoo is great... but you compile everything
[01:31] <narles> i'm new to linux
[01:31] <nickrud> no battle, ubuntu wins hands down. compile nothing
[01:31] <soundray> gentoo socks, ubuntu rucks
[01:31] <yatesy> not true, you can get binary packages for gentoo
[01:31] <narles> my impressions so far is that video isn't to good for linux
[01:31] <Seveas> soundray, Kovecses gentoo and the quality of it are offtopic in here
[01:31] <Seveas> please go to #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[01:31] <Kovecses> yatesy, not really
[01:31] <goog> narles, this page will probably answer a lot of your questions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[01:31] <Toma-> ebuild is pretty simple actually
[01:31] <nickrud> sorush20, then what's the advantage of gentoo (soo offtopic)
[01:32] <soundray> Seveas, a line of fun should be allowed after a good piece of work.
[01:32] <narles> goog, i'm familiar with it
[01:32] <narles> i actually connected here to troubleshoot my problems with VLC
[01:32] <jtrask> hey, quick question - what's the benefit of using the ubuntu dvd?
[01:32] <Kovecses> can somebody point me to a link about making .deb packages
[01:32] <Seveas> soundray, that's why we have the offtopic channel...
[01:33] <chorse> thierry_: thanks
[01:33] <Seveas> Kovecses, check the documentation on the debian site
[01:33] <Kovecses> jtrask, if you have say dialup and downloads take forever
[01:33] <Toma-> Kovecses: are you planning to upload it to universe or anything?
[01:33] <goog> narles, what are your vlc problems?
[01:33] <Kovecses> Toma-, if poeple wanted it
[01:34] <narles> goog, I can't get VLC media player to work with sound on certain .mov's... terminal says it cannot find the qdm2 codec... any suggestions on how to get it working?
[01:34] <Toma-> Kovecses: well what (if i may ask) are you making a deb of and what for?
[01:34] <jtrask> Kovecses: i can bt from this machine at good speed, it's on the same connection as the other machine but ive been having trouble retrieving packages and although the hard drive is small, i doubt ubuntu is big enough to fill it. dont know what the problem is, but would you say there's a chance burning the dvd from here could take care of it?
[01:35] <Seveas> jtrask, the dvd contains all of main and nothing from universe
[01:35] <Kovecses> Toma-, the game ultimatestunuts
[01:35] <Kovecses> Toma-, the game ultimatestunts
[01:35] <julio> !tell julio about libstdc++6
[01:35] <julio> hi
[01:35] <narles> i installed a gstreamer ffmpeg file that supposedly fixes qdm2.. but still no sound
[01:35] <Seveas> Kovecses, that game is unstable as hell, I tried running/packaging it but essentialy gave up
[01:35] <julio> how can i get the libstdc++6
[01:35] <julio> because to install aMSN i need isntall it
[01:35] <julio> how can i?
[01:35] <Kovecses> Seveas, well im not even gonna try then ... lol
[01:36] <Seveas> julio, apt-get install amsn
[01:36] <Toma-> ahhhh cooooool. Kovecses, if its just for your use, you might want to try checkinstall, to keep your system apt friendly
[01:36] <Kovecses> are there any linux golf games?
[01:37] <ryblo_f> !seen sonic
[01:37] <ubotu> sonic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 9d 10h 19m ago, saying: 'hi'.
[01:37] <Toma-> Kovecses: not really :(
[01:37] <ryblo_f> !seen
[01:37] <Toma-> theres Neverputt
[01:37] <Toma-> but its mini golf
[01:37] <ryblo_f> !seen sonic*
[01:37] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'sonic*', ryblo_f
[01:37] <Kovecses> Toma-, yeah been there
[01:37] <goog> narles, yeah thats what i would've tried. have you tried using a different video player, like totem or mplayer?
[01:37] <Dreamglider> can i have diffrent wallpapers on each of the four workspaces ?
[01:38] <Toma-> Kovecses: try trawling thru http://www.happypenguin.org/
[01:38] <Kovecses> Dreamglider, thats a good question
[01:38] <_ubuntu> how do i mount hdc1 with read access for all in konsole?? im on live cd
[01:38] <skon> Does anyone know how to keep the DNS settings from erasing everytime you start the computer ?
[01:38] <nickrud> Dreamglider, no, it's a long time wish list item for the metacity window manger
[01:38] <mwe> skon: don't use dhcp
[01:38] <skon> mwe: why should that matter?
[01:39] <ULffuntu> skon: you could have your router issue static leases
[01:39] <Kovecses> they erase from resolv.conf?????
[01:39] <mwe> skon: because it overwrites /etc/resolv.conf
[01:39] <Dreamglider> nickrud,  what's metacyti window manger ?
[01:39] <Seveas> skon, look at the StaticDnsWithDhcp wikipage
[01:39] <narles> goog, i'm open to using mplayer. But the .mov i tried came out choppy with bad picture. After reading the forums I think I might just avoid Totem in general
[01:39] <Seveas> Kovecses, yes, dhclient does that
[01:39] <skon> K thanks Seveas, mwe, ULffuntu
[01:39] <Seveas> !seen sabdfl
[01:39] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'sabdfl', Seveas
[01:39] <goog> narles, totem comes installed with ubuntu, unless you installed it, it's worth a shot. i personally like it.
[01:40] <goog> err, unless you uninstalled it
[01:40] <nickrud> Dreamglider, googling window manager will tell you a lot more than I can
[01:40] <Toma-> !metacity
[01:40] <ubotu> Toma-: Wish i knew
[01:40] <Toma-> stoopid
[01:40] <kro> does anyone know an equivalent of dvdshrink for linux?  I would assume you can do something similar with transcode, and I was hoping to find something simple tutorial with an example somewhere
[01:40] <kemik> narles:  mplayer is superior to totem
[01:40] <Korupt> Seveas, how do I get JRE for firefox?
[01:41] <_ubuntu> how do i mount hdc1 with read access for all in konsole?? im on live cd
[01:41] <Kovecses> Dreamglider, its the window manager that gnome uses
[01:41] <Seveas> !tell Korupt about javadebs
[01:41] <nickrud> narles, totem-xine is superior to mplayer
[01:41] <kemik> _ubuntu:  try #kubuntu perhaps
[01:41] <mwe> Toma-: use !info metacity
[01:41] <alekandr> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:41] <alekandr>  (Whats the problem?)
[01:41] <kemik> narles:  nickrud is obviously mistaken ;)
[01:41] <ompaul> jdub, u about?
[01:41] <_ubuntu> kemik: im on kubunto too..... isnt it the same commands??
[01:41] <Seveas> alekandr, extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:41] <Seveas> that's the problem
[01:42] <kemik> _ubuntu:  ah yes ;) i guess
[01:42] <alekandr> Seveas: That was almost funny
[01:42] <kameron> _ubuntu: it shouldn't matter if you're in konsole, or any other terminal. sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /some/place
[01:42] <_ubuntu> kemik:  :)
[01:42] <j2daosh> anyone know how to setup the auto identify option?
[01:42] <Seveas> alekandr, the cause it that you probably didn't install video drivers and have an ati or nvidia card
[01:42] <kemik> _ubuntu:  what filesystem isit?
[01:42] <Seveas> j2daosh, you mean on freenode?
[01:42] <narles> kemik, that's what i've read.. but the .mov I played in mplayer was choppy and had low quality
[01:42] <kemik> _ubuntu:  think you can play with "fmask" if it fat
[01:42] <_ubuntu> kameron: yeah i know that but then i cant get access to it through konqurer
[01:42] <alekandr> Seveas: I did install my nvidiagfx driver :(
[01:42] <_ubuntu> its ntfs
[01:43] <Seveas> alekandr, which card do you have?
[01:43] <mwe> alekandr: did you do everything the wiki said?
[01:43] <j2daosh> yeah i think so seveas... i mean its no big deal to constantly have to type /msg nickserv identify password but still... im lazy :P
[01:43] <kameron> _ubuntu launch konqueror from root, like: sudo konqueror
[01:43] <Seveas> j2daosh, use your nickserv password as server password
[01:43] <kameron> _ubuntu: or configure fstab, etc, but you're just on a livecd
[01:43] <alekandr> mwe: what wiki?
[01:43] <kemik> _ubuntu:  you could mount it with uid=UID and gid=GID options (but that would only help for one user)
[01:43] <nickrud> narles, try xine, totem-xine, and mplayer against any video. Sometimes one works better than another.
[01:43] <mwe> !tell alekandr about nvidia
[01:43] <j2daosh> server password?
[01:43] <kameron> _ubuntu: keep in mind, the 2.6 kernel doesn't support writing to ntfs
[01:43] <alekandr> Seveas: fx5200 pci 256mb
[01:43] <kemik> kameron:  that's not really a good way to do it
[01:43] <mwe> alekandr: read /msg from ubotu
[01:43] <kameron> kemik: do to dhwat?
[01:43] <Seveas> j2daosh, in the server dialog you can specify a password
[01:43] <kameron> kemik: to do what?
[01:44] <j2daosh> lemme look at that... see if i can figure out what your talking about
[01:44] <kemik> start konqueror with sudo ?
[01:44] <alekandr> mwe: thanks :]
[01:44] <_ubuntu> kemik: cant use those only get a hlp screen
[01:44] <kemik> isnt it better to mount the ntfs partition with another user than root ?
[01:44] <Korupt> Seveas, thanks..... what is the package called though?
[01:44] <_ubuntu> kemik: i cant mount if im not in root
[01:44] <kameron> kemik: there is nothing wrong with launching konqueror from sudo, it gives you root permission in a file browser
[01:45] <kameron> kemik: you can't mount anything except from root
[01:45] <Seveas> korridoren, sun-j2re1.5 oslt
[01:45] <mwe> _ubuntu: add user under options. add umask=0222 as well
[01:45] <mwe> _ubuntu: in fstab that is
[01:45] <kemik> umask.. not fmask :)
[01:45] <kemik> dang
[01:45] <saik0> Where could I find out how do do something in OOo Calc?
[01:45] <kemik> kameron:  well it's not cool to give konqueror / nautilus root permissions ;)
[01:45] <kameron> mwe: he's just on livecd
[01:45] <mwe> kemik: there's dmask,fmask and umask. umask sets them both
[01:46] <ompaul> saik0, why not ask the specific quesiton and see if anyone here can answer it
[01:46] <kameron> kemik: it's not really a problem, tell me otherwise
[01:46] <kemik> mwe:  aight.. i did it the ugly way... "uid=1000, gid=1000"
[01:46] <kemik> but it's a single-user system so it's ok ,)
[01:46] <j2daosh> ahh sweet
[01:46] <j2daosh> thanks seveas
[01:46] <Seveas> np
[01:47] <kemik> kameron:  it's bad practice and it's better to mount the volume with another umask or user to own the files
[01:47] <saik0> ompaul, yea I try to stay on topic
[01:47] <kameron> kemik: you're a woman
[01:47] <j2daosh> so whos gonna teach me how to compile my kernel? and explain to me why i would want to do that
[01:47] <kemik> kameron: i guess i am
[01:47] <kameron> kemik: "bad practice" isn't a reason for me not to do anything
[01:47] <kameron> kemik: just bugging you
[01:47] <saik0> How would I SUM up the values of an entire column in OOo Calc?
[01:48] <nickrud> sum( drag0select range )
[01:48] <nickrud> sum( drag->select range )
[01:48] <Inf3ctedFx> what is the best ftp client on ubuntu with GUI?
[01:48] <mwe> Inf3ctedFx: define best
[01:48] <nickrud> I wish there was a best ftp client, I just use gftp most of the time
[01:48] <kemik> Inf3ctedFx:  gftp some ppl claim
[01:49] <Inf3ctedFx> well not really the best just one FTP use GUI enviroment
[01:49] <_ubuntu> ahhhhh.... crap!   how do i copy a file in konsole???
[01:49] <kemik> but there really isnt a good gui.ftp client imo
[01:49] <saik0> nickrud, I want to SUM up all of X column, not a specific range
[01:49] <tafsen> If I play music from rhythmbox, I can't get sound from any other program. Why is that, and how can I fix it?
[01:49] <_ubuntu> !copy
[01:49] <ubotu> _ubuntu: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:49] <kemik> _ubuntu:  you know you cant write to the ntfs partition ?
[01:49] <kameron> _ubuntu: cp /from/location /to/location
[01:49] <alekandr> Seveas: nvidia glx or glx legacy for the fx5200?
[01:49] <_ubuntu> kemik: i know that
[01:50] <_ubuntu> kameron: thanx
[01:50] <nickrud> saik0, I'm not sure how to describe it, I've been doing columns/rows of values since visicalc.
[01:50] <alekandr> mwe: the fx5200: glx or glx legacy?
[01:50] <tafsen> can anyone please help me with my sound problem?
[01:51] <Korupt> tafsen: what's up?
[01:51] <saik0> alekandr, glx
[01:51] <mwe> alekandr: I have no idea, sorry
[01:51] <mwe> alekandr: doesn't the wiki say?
[01:51] <alekandr> it does
[01:51] <nickrud> saik0, sum(x10:y:10) where x:y is rows, 10 is column?
[01:51] <alekandr> but geforce2 cards can be legacy
[01:51] <alekandr> and the page to check is missing
[01:51] <kameron> alexandr: in aptitude click on both and read the description
[01:52] <tafsen> Korupt, I can't play sound from more than one sound source at the time =\
[01:52] <kameron> alexandr: not aptitude.. the other thing. the graphical front end to apt. synaptic.
[01:52] <j2daosh> hey got a question about snort... i just installed it because a guy im friends with at work said it was better then nessus or whatnot... but how do i see it? how do i start it? how am i supposed to know whether or not i have exploitable vulnerabilities if i cant see whte prog or what it is doing?
[01:53] <Korupt> tafsen: what type of sound card?
[01:53] <kameron> j2daosh: air snort?
[01:53] <tafsen> Korupt, dunno. How do I check?
[01:53] <saik0> nickrud, I use it for book keeping and it's annoying to ceek changing the function
[01:53] <j2daosh> no just snort
[01:53] <Korupt> System -> Administration -> Device Manager
[01:54] <kameron> j2daosh: oh, no idea
[01:54] <j2daosh> anyone even use snort or nessus?
[01:54] <Korupt> tafsen: System => Administration => Device Manager
[01:54] <saik0> ceek = keep*
[01:54] <mwe> j2daosh: what do you wanna do?
[01:54] <tafsen> Korupt, ok, I check it out
[01:55] <j2daosh> use them lol
[01:55] <nickrud> saik0, you and me both.
[01:55] <mwe> j2daosh: yeah. for what?
[01:55] <j2daosh> to know vulnerabilities i have... see if someone is screwing with my comp...
[01:56] <mwe> j2daosh: maybe standard tools can do what you need
[01:56] <Korupt> Seveas, where does the defult firefox install have its plugins installed?
[01:56] <alekandr> wish me luck
[01:56] <mwe> j2daosh: sudo netstat -ntlp will show what's listening
[01:56] <j2daosh> i want a proggie that will show me all the connections that are active on my comp and what program is being run by each logged in user
[01:56] <Seveas> Korupt, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> Korupt: /usr/share/mozilla/plugins
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> Korupt: there are many 'default' places
[01:57] <Korupt> johndarkhorse, was referring to on ubuntu
[01:57] <mwe> j2daosh: I'm sure you don't need snort for that
[01:57] <nickrud> j2daosh, sudo netstat, and -plant and -tlp are both useful modifiers
[01:57] <ubuntu> forgot i was on live cd! cant copy there
[01:57] <ubuntu> how do i alter the ownership or read sccess to a folder??
[01:57] <ubuntu> access
[01:58] <tafsen> Korupt, Intel 82801DB-ICH4 ALSA Capture device?
[01:58] <_jason> ubuntu, chmod
[01:58] <goog> how do i get a trash icon on the desktop?
[01:58] <j2daosh> right click the panel and hit add to panel
[01:58] <goog> that puts it on the panel
[01:58] <goog> i want it on the desktop
[01:58] <Korupt> tafsen, okay.... now what you do is google for linux kernel support of your card...... the kernel may only support a single channel
[01:58] <ubuntu> _jason: so if i want to alter the folder /mnt/win i should do what??
[01:59] <Mr_Molez> I cant find any device nodes for my cdrom drive, can anyone take a guess as to the problem i have recently installed a new kernel (using the previous ubuntu kernel config file)
[01:59] <_jason> goog, I believe there is an option if you use gconf, but I'm not on ubuntu right now.  If no one else can remember, search for Desktop or trash in there (I think it's apps -> nautilus -> desktop)
[01:59] <tafsen> Korupt, Like "Intel 82801DB-ICHA kernel support" ?
[02:00] <Korupt> tafsen, yeah
[02:00] <doinbox> hello 2 questions how do i set up aol pppoe broadband connetion with bt voyager 100 modem
[02:00] <nickrud> goog, open applications->system tools->Config editor, then inside that /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible
[02:00] <ITSa341> Good evening everyone
[02:00] <_jason> ubuntu, you should just mount it appropriately, is it ntfs or fat32?
[02:00] <doinbox> and my floppy drive and cdrom wont work except that it will play music cds
[02:00] <ubuntu> _jason: its ntfs
[02:00] <Korupt> tafsen, more often than not on more obscure devices like yours there is minimal support if any
[02:00] <goog> nickrud, thanks
[02:01] <Mr_Molez> doinbox: you will have to find a driver for the modem (i dont think its well supported)
[02:01] <nickrud> unlike _jason, I was in ubuntu :)
[02:01] <doinbox> ok ill try and the problem with the disk drives
[02:01] <narles> has anyone streamed their itunes library in their windows share to ubuntu?
[02:01] <ubuntu> _jason: ive already mounted it now i want to alter the access to it! im on live cd
[02:01] <doinbox> it says unable to mount
[02:02] <kameron> i just had an awesome idea. run camorama on a computer sitting next to my door, and mount a webcam looking through the front window, and have it connect to my wireless router, and tunnel info through ssh to my comp in the office, so i can see who's at the door. by any chance, has this ever been attempted?
[02:02] <Korupt> coolness => /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so
[02:02] <nickrud> narles, do you have a working itunes under ubuntu?
[02:02] <Korupt> oops
[02:02] <tafsen> Korupt, well I get sound at least.  Can i compile anything to the kernel if it doesn't support it?
[02:02] <narles> no
[02:02] <Mr_Molez> doinbox: ive got the same problem with cdrom drive lol.. im asking aswell ;)
[02:02] <Korupt> wrong address   ^_^
[02:02] <mwe> kameron: rofl
[02:02] <narles> nickrud, i tried installing itunes with wine, but it never completed
[02:03] <goog> i've got my mp3 library on a windows share mounted and added to the library in rhythmbox
[02:03] <kameron> mwe: think it'll work?
[02:03] <Korupt> tafsen: once in a great while yes, though you'd have to research that...... Seveas would be the one to ask there
[02:03] <nickrud> narles, np, I'm just looking for someone with recent experience to update restrictedformats
[02:03] <mwe> kameron: if you're dedicated maybe you'll get it working
[02:03] <goog> this is probably the busiest chat room ive ever been in
[02:03] <Korupt> okay, this is just sweet   => http://www.madmerv.com/portfolio/dotsnotgoogle/index.html
[02:03] <narles> nickrud, thanks man, appreciated
[02:04] <narles> goog, could i do that with amarok?
[02:04] <Mr_Molez> as well as my cdrom drive not having a device node my second hard drive wont mount (keeps saying busy, also fails on boot)
[02:04] <Mr_Molez> any ideas anyone ?
[02:04] <kameron> mwe: maybe one day.
[02:04] <kameron> mwe: it'd probably be easier just to get a really long usb cable. but when does usb lose signal?
[02:05] <tafsen> Korupt, about kernel compiling?
[02:05] <mwe> kameron: I don't know
[02:05] <ves> Is there anyway to force dpkg to install a package?
[02:05] <_jason> ubuntu, unmount it with the umount command and then we can remount it with the right options so you know how to do it, k?
[02:06] <Korupt> tafsen, about tracking down a kernel module..... I tend to spend hours looking for those sort of things and never find it
[02:06] <ubuntu> _jason: ok gonna umount it now
[02:06] <doinbox> can any one tell me what i have to do when my floppy drive and dvd-rw drive say they cant mount
[02:06] <tafsen> Korupt, hehe. Ok ;) thx for the help
[02:06] <doinbox> plz
[02:06] <Fred> is there a way i can make iptables log blocked/rejected packets to syslog or some other log file?
[02:06] <nickrud> ves, there's the --force option to dpkg, man dpkg will explain it. It's not something to do lightly.
[02:06] <goog> narles, probably, but i dont use amarok. you just have to mount the windows share.
[02:07] <goog> narles, you have to install samba and smbfs
[02:07] <ves> nickrud: ah I see, cheers. I've got something conflicting with scrollkeeper and I'm sure I've resolved it before by forcing the install..
[02:07] <mwe> ves: take care with --force it might break your system if you're not careful
[02:07] <ubuntu> i get this when i write sudo -i "sudo: uid 1000 does not exist in the passwd file!"
[02:07] <_jason> ubuntu, to mount it so everyone can read it: sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ (but change hda1 to whatever yours is of course)
[02:07] <goog> then you can mount with sudo mount //<ip_of_windows_machine>/<share_name> /mnt/target
[02:07] <narles> goog, and doing this allows me to play my music in windows and ubuntu right?
[02:08] <narles> i'm just clarifying.. sorry
[02:08] <Kovecses> where can i find screenshots of xubuntu-desktop?
[02:08] <goog> yeah.. it will work assuming your music is already in a windows share on your network
[02:08] <narles> awesome
[02:08] <goog> its just making that share accessible on the ubuntu filesystem, so basically amarok will think the files are local
[02:08] <alekandr> All fixed :]  thanks mwe
[02:08] <ves> mwe: cheers for the warning, I'll probably hold off.
[02:08] <mwe> Kovecses: tried www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu-desktop+screenshot ?
[02:08] <nickrud> scrollkeeper has always been a bane of mine
[02:09] <mwe> alekandr: great
[02:09] <alekandr> mwe, i dont suppose there is a bot command for breezy sourcelists, my source list has hoary mixed in
[02:09] <narles> ok
[02:09] <nickrud> Kovecses, look for xfce for screenshots of what xubuntu could look like
[02:09] <mills00013> join #Linuxhelp
[02:09] <ves> nickrud: How'd you mean? I keep googling for answers to those sort of problems and come up empty
[02:09] <mwe> alekandr: don't mix breezy and hoary
[02:09] <_jason> ubotu, tell alekandr about sources
[02:09] <mills00013> Join #Linuxhelp
[02:10] <alekandr> _jason: thanks L[
[02:10] <Korupt> mmmmmmmm xfce
[02:10] <alekandr> :]  *
[02:10] <kameron> Korupt: xfce is nice
[02:11] <nickrud> ves, I'm sorry, that was an off the cuff complaint about the toolchain that creates the files that scrollkeeper tracks, and the yelp interface.
[02:11] <twigman> possibly dumb question from a newb...is mythtv in breezy-backports??  I got it from multiverse a couple of weeks back, but I don't seem to be able to find it now.  Any direction/help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
[02:11] <ves> nickrud: I see :)
[02:11] <Korupt> kameron, yeah...... my main gripe is the GNOME irritates me
[02:12] <CodenameKT> twigman: check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:12] <mills00013> has anyone been able to build jdmouse?
[02:12] <kameron> Korupt: you and me both. but it makes me feel kind of useless not knowing anything about gnome, and being in a ubuntu channel. that, and i run lilo and not grub.. so i'm totally useless :P
[02:12] <holycow> Korupt, so use kde, whats the big deal :)
[02:12] <johndarkhorse> twigman: packages.ubuntu.com is up to date
[02:12] <holycow> kameron, whats to know? click and app and go?
[02:12] <mwe> kameron: :)
[02:12] <Korupt> holycow: I like KDE... but Ubuntu support for it currently sucks
[02:12] <holycow> you want to spend your time configuring useless settings, use kde :)
[02:13] <kameron> holycow: just all the config of gnome and what not.. i don't get it. and i only know a bit about grub.
[02:13] <Niko--> how do you install authd (or identd) in ubuntu?  I can't find it through google search
[02:13] <Korupt> kameron: lilo??? why would anyone use such an antiquated system?
[02:13] <holycow> kameron, what config? what is there you want to config?
[02:13] <nickrud> kameron, lilo is heavan, don't let anyone tell you otherwise :)
[02:13] <mwe> kameron: I agree with Linus on his views about the path that gnome has taken and thus don't use it. I know how you feel though I feel the same in here :)
[02:13] <holycow> grub has nothing to do with gnome, i don't see where you are going with that
[02:13] <kameron> mwe: what did linus say?
[02:13] <holycow> if you don't know grub, go find a distro that uses lilo *cough* good luck *cough* :)
[02:14] <Kovecses> slackware uses lilo
[02:14] <CodenameKT> mwe: yes, what did linus say
[02:14] <kameron> Korupt: it's all i've ever used, and my DFI board refuses to boot to grub for some strange reason.
[02:14] <mwe> kameron: let me find the link
[02:14] <johndarkhorse> !offtopic
[02:14] <ubotu> rumour has it, offtopic is Non-support discussions maybe carried out in #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[02:14] <jedi> is there a way to upgrade a system from i386 to x86_64?
[02:14] <kameron> holycow: there isnt anything i want to config, i was just saying
[02:14] <Seveas> mwe, please, #Ubuntu-offtopic
[02:14] <holycow> i think you guys are working really really hard to find something to complain about :)
[02:14] <twigman> CodenameKT:  Thanks.  I un-commented the line  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, but a synaptic search finds no mythtv...
[02:14] <holycow> kameron, that is exactly my point :)
[02:14] <Seveas> we've had this discussion a zillion times already
[02:14] <CodenameKT> twigman: no prob
[02:14] <mwe> Seveas: all right
[02:14] <kameron> nickrud: werd!! grub people get all uppity "we have a command prompt, we don't have to run grub-install everytime we change someting".. well you know what i say to those people?
[02:15] <kameron> holycow :P
[02:15] <johndarkhorse> kameron: nickrud: in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[02:15] <nickrud> that if the bios is screwed, lilo can survive.
[02:15] <nickrud> I'll leave it at that
[02:15] <mwe> kameron: anyway the link. and don't comment or let's take the discussion out of here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00021.html
[02:15] <kameron> mwe: okay
[02:15] <holycow> if your bios is messed  you have bigger problems than your bootloader, thats just stupid
[02:15] <Niko--> so does anyone know how to install identd in ubuntu?  it would be nice to be able to use an irc network that requires ident
[02:15] <doinbox> can someone with alot of knowlede on ubuntu private chat me please
[02:16] <fasmo> hoola
[02:16] <johndarkhorse> doinbox: ask in here
[02:16] <fasmo> alguien ???
[02:16] <doinbox> ok but i never get an answer
[02:16] <Kovecses> fasmo, how did you do that
[02:16] <mwe> doinbox: ask in the channel so everyone can benefit
[02:16] <D1> yeah, we're one big blob of knowledge...collectivelly.
[02:16] <johndarkhorse> !es
[02:16] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[02:16] <nickrud> Niko--, install oidentd
[02:16] <fasmo> alguien me ayuda a instalar un programa
[02:17] <johndarkhorse> Niko--: /msg ubotu find identd
[02:17] <doinbox> how do i mount a floppy drive and dvd rom in ubuntu coz they both dont work they just keep sayin cant mount drive
[02:17] <holycow> fasmo, no hable espanol .... --> #ubuntu-es
[02:17] <Niko--> oops
[02:17] <Niko--> lol
[02:17] <mills00013> hey iv been having a some trouble building jdmouse.. im getting some errors that i dont quite undersand. so im not sure how to fix them
[02:17] <johndarkhorse> fasmo: por favor ingles aqui, espanol en #ubuntu-es
[02:17] <Niko--> how come no identd package shows up when using synaptic?
[02:17] <kameron> mwe: "If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will
[02:17] <kameron> use it." that's good.
[02:17] <Korupt> wait.... THE one and only Linus Torvalds said himself that GNOME sucks...... ouch
[02:18] <crimsun> Linus has been wrong in the past.
[02:18] <kameron> Korupt: yes, but.. #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:18] <twigman> CodenameKT:  Not sure how to interpret 'No prob'...I don't see mythtv at packages.ubuntu.com either (though I wouldn't have known to look :)
[02:18] <nickrud> thank you, crimsun
[02:18] <mwe> crimsun: yeah. and he likes statements with an attitude
[02:18] <holycow> Korupt, if you are so dogmatic, why not just stay in the kubuntu channel? whats the big deal? you like kde and exactly no one cares
[02:19] <Kovecses> who knows if that even was linus
[02:19] <jedi> is there a way to make an i386 installation 64bit?
[02:19] <mills00013> good point
[02:19] <jadewolf> kameron: hey buddy, I kinda got it installed, It seems my CDRW drive is going bad cause 2 CDs burned and I couldn't do full install I had to do 'server' install
[02:19] <ITSa341> <-- prefers Gnome or KDE to MS
[02:19] <kingsley> How does one tell which device a modem is attached to on a livecd, which has no /var/log/messages file? Nor is the modem listed in lspci or dmesg.
[02:19] <kameron> jadewolf: oh no! that sucks.
[02:19] <Niko--> nicklas, how come ubuntu doesn't have any identd packages using apt-get?
[02:19] <narles> say i save an openoffice document in windows XP format... how will it look if i load it up on windows-msword???
[02:19] <nickrud> it was, and he was complaining about something that is so darned trivial, an in development interface to cups.
[02:19] <kameron> jadewolf: you can apt-get install most things
[02:19] <jadewolf> kameron: yeah I just gotta figure out what to install
[02:19] <doinbox> ok ill ask again  how do i mount a floppy drive and dvd rom in ubuntu coz they both dont work they just keep sayin cant mount drive
[02:20] <mwe> narles: why don't you try it? :)
[02:20] <narles> lol
[02:20] <kameron> is "ubuntu-desktop" a package you can install? i know "kubuntu-desktop" is one.
[02:20] <Kovecses> doinbox, did you check your fstab
[02:20] <narles> lack of motivation at the moment
[02:20] <mwe> narles: anyway to answer if it doesn't use to complex formatting it looks fine
[02:20] <Spudchat> hi everyone
[02:20] <kameron> jadewold: try "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" i don't know if it's an actual package though.
[02:20] <narles> mwe, thanks
[02:20] <Spudchat> any ideas on how to convert avi s to dvd
[02:20] <doinbox> kovecses i dont know what that is
[02:20] <holycow> narles, it will be fine, oo exports to some know basic word features.  ideally you want to send people pdf files tho
[02:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> kameron: 'ubuntu-desktop' depends on the base ubuntu install as a whole, so through dependencies I think you'd get the entire installation
[02:21] <Krhis> Anyone hear about linuxtoday getting sponsored by Microsoft?
[02:21] <doinbox> whats an fstab
[02:21] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell doinbox about fstab
[02:21] <holycow> Krhis, what do you mean sponsored? they run almost nothing but ms ads anyway.  whats your point?
[02:21] <kameron> PuMpErNiCkLe, good stuff, just checking for jadewolfs sake
[02:21] <nickrud> kameron, the big three: ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop.
[02:22] <jadewolf> kameron: how do I make sure its downloading all the newest stuff and not asking for CDs everytime
[02:22] <kameron> nickrud: xubuntu? what about edubuntu?
[02:22] <narles> holycow, i ask because i might need to load up essays on other peoples computers at school, for printing/editing/etc
[02:22] <kameron> jadewolf, you'll need to update your /etc/sources.list
[02:22] <damotor> hi. I just updated from hoary to breezy and when I start the cmputer and ubuntu is gonna show gnome the desktop keeps black and I can't see neither the graphical screen nor the terminals
[02:22] <bk> does anybody know how to program gui apps C++ using the GNU compiler?  what class do I use?  is EZ Windows available?
[02:22] <holycow> narles, don't send in word format, send in pdf.  that is pretty well guaranteed to print how you laid out your doc
[02:22] <kameron> !easysources
[02:22] <ubotu> kameron: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:22] <Krhis> holycow: Go to there site and look under the "Linux Reference Center"
[02:22] <kameron> !easysource
[02:22] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:22] <nickrud> kameron, I have to admit, I don't know if edubuntu is a meta-package
[02:22] <cafuego> bk: gtk or qt are the most common libs
[02:22] <narles> ok
[02:22] <kameron> nickrud: it is
[02:22] <doinbox> i thought linux is supposed to be easy whats all this commands about i cant do that is there any straight forward linux
[02:23] <nickrud> so I see :)
[02:23] <narles> holycow, i'm assuming it isn't to hard to convert to pdf in oo///
[02:23] <bk> cafuego, to program guis?
[02:23] <holycow> narles, oh editing ... well there are no guarantees when you go between office suites ... mostly you can expect it to be exactly right but its a hard thing to guess.  you should be fine but expect a glitch or two
[02:23] <Niko--> doinbox, you could rephrase your question
[02:23] <cafuego> bk: Yes. gtk is what Gnome uses; qt is what KDE uses.
[02:23] <goog> has anyone else noticed that abiword > ooffice ?
[02:23] <doinbox> sorry niko
[02:23] <bk> alright, i'll try it.  thanks
[02:23] <cafuego> bk: There are of course many others too.
[02:23] <kameron> doinbox: Xandros, lol
[02:23] <nickrud> sorush20, there's a fortuitous four, right now :)
[02:23] <kameron> nickrud: there sure is!
[02:23] <holycow> narles,  one click, and the funny thing is, it saves to pdf faster than the native oo format >_<
[02:24] <bk> cafuego, be my guest and rattle them off. lol
[02:24] <Kovecses> microsoft formats are now open ... so in openoffice 2.1 or so the implementing will be perfect
[02:24] <kameron> jadewolf: did you get that link?
[02:24] <cafuego> bk: You may want to try 'anjuta' on KDE or um.. I forget its name... on Gnome.
[02:24] <narles> haha
[02:24] <holycow> Krhis, wth are you talking about? its just an ad
[02:24] <cafuego> bk: Nah, google would be far better at doing that.
[02:24] <Thunderguy> microsoft formats are now open? what caused this?
[02:24] <Niko--> Kovecses: really?
[02:24] <nickrud> I hate/love tab completion, sorry sorush20
[02:24] <holycow> ms spends loads of cash on all linux websites throwing around fud
[02:24] <Kovecses> Niko--, yup ... want the link
[02:24] <cafuego> open or "open" ?
[02:24] <Krhis> I found it ironically amusing.
[02:24] <kameron> Kovecses: what!?
[02:24] <doinbox> i heard linux was very easy to use, but everything seems to be a command you have to type to set something up and i would not know where to start with that
[02:24] <holycow> i think its great, anyone that is fooled by that deserves to buy ms products
[02:24] <Thunderguy> I want the link
[02:24] <Kovecses> ok lemme get it
[02:25] <Thunderguy> Thank you :)
[02:25] <Niko--> Kovecses: sure
[02:25] <doinbox> is there any linux programs that are easier to use?
[02:25] <holycow> doinbox, its not really on ubuntu, its just that command line is more direct and faster in the end
[02:25] <narles> holycow, i would of course save my oo files as xp docs if i want to edit them on a windows OS right?
[02:25] <holycow> doinbox, what are you having problems setting up by gui?
[02:25] <phreak97> fuck
[02:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> doinbox: Depends on what you're trying to do.
[02:25] <Niko--> doinbox: not everything requires command lane...gui should work for most things
[02:25] <cafuego> narles: Why not use OOo2 on Windows as well?
[02:25] <doinbox> what is gui
[02:25] <_jason> narles, or you can install open office on the windows computer
[02:25] <jadewolf> kameron: ugh whats the apt-get for gdm so I can cut and past
[02:25] <kameron> jadewolf: i can send you a copy of my sources.list if you like
[02:25] <phreak97> linux has way more problems than linux users claim
[02:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> doinbox: GUI - Graphical User Interface
[02:25] <holycow> narles, to be sure save in ms office 2000/97, not everyone has the latest ms office format
[02:25] <kameron> jadewolf: you're on command line right?
[02:25] <phreak97> vlc shit itself for no reason
[02:25] <doinbox> oh i see what you mean
[02:25] <jadewolf> kameron: yup
[02:26] <moyogo> hi
[02:26] <doinbox> a screen where i am given options to set something up
[02:26] <phreak97> reinstall didnt fix it
[02:26] <kameron> jadewolf: if i paste my sources.list to a pastebin, is that going to be difficult, or not bad? i don't do a lot of command line stuff.
[02:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> doinbox: Exactly.
[02:26] <phreak97> it has ony a play/pause button and a volume control
[02:26] <phreak97> nothing else
[02:26] <holycow> doinbox, all your settings are under the system menu in the top left ... look there
[02:26] <jadewolf> that would be fine kameron
[02:26] <holycow> doinbox, for regular users there is nothing else you need
[02:26] <Mr_Molez> argh...... aint anyone got a clue why no device nodes have been created for my cdrom drive ?
[02:26] <doinbox> ok cool
[02:27] <moyogo> i wanted to try dapper today, putting in the live-cd, it didn't get past the login screen claim a "ubuntu" user would be logged in, to no avail
[02:27] <holycow> doinbox, if there is something you need to setup via command line, its either very rare, or you are trying to do something requiring inermediate/advanced skills
[02:27] <Thunderguy> Hey Kovecses, can you say my name around the time you paste the link? I'm going to go away, and this channel is pretty crowded
[02:27] <moyogo> is there a default password or something set ?
[02:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> moyogo: Not for the livecd.
[02:27] <doinbox> 1 more thing i have searched all over google for a way to install a bt voyager 100 modem so i can connect to aol broadband using pppoe but i cant find it anywhere please can someone help me with this
[02:27] <Niko--> hmm, so far ubuntu seems pretty good...I just switched from fedora today
[02:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> moyogo: It's still a developmental release, so it's possible you've hit a bug.
[02:27] <holycow> doinbox, the one exception is when people install ubuntu without research, for example they try to install ubuntu on non supported hardware ... in that case its the users fault, you haveto make sure you have supported hardware
[02:27] <moyogo> PuMpErNiCkLe: aight, that's all I wanted to know
[02:27] <phreak97> anyone, how do i do a complete reinstall? i chose in synaptic to completely remove
[02:27] <phreak97> but it didnt fix it
[02:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: A complete reinstall of what?
[02:28] <nickrud> holy_cow, no, it's not the user
[02:28] <doinbox> how can a floppy disk drive not be compatible with an o/s they should be compatible with everything
[02:28] <damien_> how come i only see 4000 packages in synaptic and 17 000?
[02:28] <kameron> jadewolf: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6774
[02:28] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe,  VLC
[02:28] <nickrud> 's fault, really. How could they know?
[02:28] <holycow> nickrud, if the user doesn't do their research, its their fault.
[02:28] <damien_> and not*
[02:29] <kameron> jadewolf: copy and paste that into /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:29] <Mr_Molez> doinbox: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en&id=172
[02:29] <Mr_Molez> found that in 1 second
[02:29] <mills00013> does anyone know where i can get a copy of itunes 4.9?
[02:29] <kameron> jadewolf: then: sudo apt-get update
[02:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: In synaptic, there's an option when you right-click on a package "Mark for reinstallation".
[02:29] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe,  tried
[02:29] <holycow> nickrud, easy, its called research.  every consumer is required to do it.  in the freemarket its buyer beware for the most part
[02:29] <doinbox> thanks molez
[02:29] <nickrud> s/a ma/at ma/
[02:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: What happened?
[02:29] <Kovecses> ok guys took me a minut
[02:29] <Kovecses> here it is
[02:29] <Kovecses> http://www.osdir.com/Article7932.phtml
[02:30] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe,  it reinstalled, then when i ran it, it still had almost no gui'
[02:30] <alekandr> Where is gnomes theme folder for user 'root'
[02:30] <holycow> Kovecses, i'll believe it when i see it
[02:30] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: "Almost" no GUI?
[02:30] <holycow> Kovecses, it's guaranteed not to be free either
[02:30] <kameron> alekandr: probably in /root
[02:30] <holycow> or without certain strings
[02:30] <Kovecses> holycow, did you even read the article
[02:30] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe, want a screenshot?
[02:31] <nickrud> holy_cow, this is the human distro, supposedly humanity looks out for all. <laughs himself nearly to death>
[02:31] <Mr_Molez> PuMpErNiCkLe: u got ne idea y my cdrom drive aint got ne device nodes ?
[02:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: Yeah, sure - put it in the pastebin.
[02:31] <holycow> Kovecses, sure, its a useless article with no info
[02:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Mr_Molez: Sorry, no clue. :(
[02:31] <Kovecses> holycow, no you have to click the link
[02:31] <phreak97> !pastebin
[02:31] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:31] <holycow> nickrud, well i agree with the ideal :) but before one can 'look out for humanity' one must 'take responsibility for their own actions'
[02:31] <Kovecses> holycow, do be a dick I wasnt saying it was going to happen .. i just said thats what i heard
[02:32] <jadewolf> kameron: thanks got it put into place
[02:32] <mfv> hi, i just downloaded Ubuntu LiveCD 5.10, and there are a bunch of questions about installation on bootup.  is the LiveCD a self-contained distro like Knoppix?
[02:32] <jadewolf> glad I still know vi pretty good :0
[02:32] <doinbox> molez  hey that link you just sent me it says download .rpm version but there are 2 rpm versions which 1 do i need sorry to do your head in
[02:32] <holycow> Kovecses, if you interpreted my comment as a slight against you ... well touche.  at worst it was neutral, i'm simply distrustfull of ms thats all.
[02:32] <kameron> jadewolf: good. if you get gpg errors, cat /etc/apt/sources.list and follow the instructions at the top.
[02:33] <Kovecses> holycow, as am i
[02:33] <diablo69> what ports woudl I have to forword to send and recieve files on xchat?
[02:33] <holycow> Kovecses, i think that would be great but the article still doesn't say anything important ... ms is known for having licences that appear free but arent really
[02:34] <Mr_Molez> doinbox: http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/download/eciadsl-usermode-0.11.tar.gz
[02:34] <holycow> and are patent restricted, as well as restricted in other ways ...
[02:34] <Kovecses> holycow, yeah they suck
[02:34] <xsquared> could someone please look at this: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=network5fh.jpg and tell me what i have to do to allow me to connect to the 10.0.0.xxx network?
[02:34] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6775
[02:34] <holycow> if ms decides to completely open up their file formats for the office suite, and completely unencumber them from patents and other weirdo clauses ... that will truly be something
[02:34] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: sup man
[02:35] <doinbox> thanks for your help man very kind of you
[02:35] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: That's about the same as I get from VLC when I just open it - it's just a very minimalist interface.
[02:35] <cp_> I think I found a bug which is somewhat serious, that is for 686 users who install with the 386 cd.
[02:36] <blocko> is this for noobs here?
[02:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: So unless it won't actually play music/movies for you (supported formats, I mean) I don't see it as a bug.
[02:36] <Kindred> blocko, sure
[02:36] <Kovecses> blocko, ask your question
[02:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Yo!
[02:36] <holycow> blocko, aren't we all just newb on the great learning curve of life? :)
[02:36] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: whatcha having probs with man?
[02:36] <Mr_Molez> xsquared: umm that is confusing but i think <IP_ADDRESS> needs to be made to forward traffic (make it like a router/hub)
[02:36] <cp_> After rebooting the system booted from the 686 kernel, but it isn't showing up in the debian packages.  Thus it would not be updated when security updates come out.
[02:36] <navarone> holycow...very zen...:)
[02:36] <blocko> I just want to know how to run something at startup - boinc_client
[02:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Nada - everythign works for me. :)
[02:37] <diablo69> kew kew :)
[02:37] <holycow> navarone, naw, too much caffeine :)
[02:37] <tafsen> Anyone here who can help me with WoW on Ubuntu?
[02:37] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: can you send and recive files on irc?
[02:37] <cp_> So how do I report it without adding my email address to the spam harveted bugzilla?
[02:37] <navarone> holycow...close enuff
[02:37] <mfv> hi, i just downloaded Ubuntu LiveCD 5.10, and there are a bunch of questions about installation on bootup.  is the LiveCD a self-contained distro like Knoppix?
[02:37] <holycow> lol! indeed!
[02:37] <xsquared> Mr_Molez: that is my workstation.. i do route traffic from 192.168.0.xxx to 10.0.0.xxx.... i would just like to know how to make it go the other way
[02:37] <Seveas> mfv, no
[02:38] <ubuntu> Anyone here have experience of updating Debian -> Ubuntu?
[02:38] <navarone> holycow, a chai latte can be heaven when needed...lol
[02:38] <Kovecses> mfv, i thought it was... i think you may have the install cd
[02:38] <Seveas> ubuntu, it's tricky, unsupported and generally not recommended
[02:38] <Seveas> ubuntu, having said that: it's been reported to work
[02:38] <holycow> that should count as my good deed for the year
[02:38] <holycow> *cough*
[02:38] <fasmo> holaaa
[02:38] <Kovecses> ubuntu, its better to do a fresh install
[02:38] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe, i'd like to be able to start a video over again without reopening it
[02:38] <ubuntu> Clean install then?  I already have debian installed
[02:38] <Niko--> hmph...ubuntu doesn't by default allow users to have access to other mounted volumes (e.g., vfat, etc)?
[02:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Nope, I'm behind a hardware firewall.
[02:38] <blocko> i have a script, but where does it go
[02:38] <phreak97> it at least gave me a stop button before
[02:39] <mfv> Kovecses: i downloaded ubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso
[02:39] <holycow> ubuntu, also backing up yoru files is trivial.  get a cd or a usb stick and copy your home dir to it
[02:39] <Mr_Molez> xsquared: duno.. but <IP_ADDRESS> needs to be doing the routing between the 2 networks
[02:39] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: wouldn't a firewall be considered a router as well?
[02:39] <holycow> reinstall ubuntu from scratch copy home back, your done
[02:39] <Kovecses> mfv, what kind of questions?
[02:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: It doesn't show a pause / FF /RW button when it's playing media?
[02:39] <xsquared> Mr_Molez: yeah, im trying to find out, but no-one can help me :'-(
[02:39] <ubuntu> What about system configuration?
[02:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: It's a dlink, so it can also be considered a piece of shit. :)
[02:39] <johndarkhorse> PuMpErNiCkLe: that belongs in the barnyard, not here please
[02:40] <navarone> will files in home directory for debian system be fully compatible w/ ubuntu based one?
[02:40] <Mr_Molez> xsquared: is a firewall only allowing 10.0.0* ?
[02:40] <holycow> ubuntu, what about it?  this is a debian distro .. the kernel will load up all the drivers it needs
[02:40] <johndarkhorse> navarone: technically yes.
[02:40] <xsquared> Mr_Molez: no
[02:40] <holycow> ubuntu, the only thing you need to worry about is non supported hardware, but if you have debian running, ubuntu will be no prob
[02:40] <ubuntu> Yeah but I have firewall configured/apache/ssh etc etc...
[02:40] <xsquared> Mr_Molez: no firewall, just using iptables to gateway
[02:40] <diablo69> PuMpErNiCkLe: tru, but I was reading something about my ati radion 9250 card, member how it froze at startup , I took out my card and now it works flawlessly, I read that there is drivers to it
[02:40] <diablo69> is that tru?
[02:41] <Mr_Molez> xsquared: they are all on the same subnet yes ?
[02:41] <navarone> johndarkhorse, I thought so...but maybe present problems as far as progs that are geared with ubuntu and not vanilla debian I would think
[02:41] <xsquared> is it possible to have 2 gateways?
[02:41] <xsquared> yes they are on the same subnet
[02:41] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe, no, thats the problem
[02:41] <holycow> ubuntu, that is a bit trickier, and it depends on the app.  it is possible to restore those properly but ... if you don't know how to do it, its faster to reinstall from scratch than it is to learn how to backup those apps seaparately
[02:41] <Niko--> how come when ntfs is mounted it sets the directory as root-readable only but when vfat is mounted anyone can read it?
[02:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: Yes, and no... ati does provide drivers, but they're not very good, and there are free/open source drivers made through reverse engineering, but they're not very copmlete either.
[02:41] <Mr_Molez> xsquared: yeh it should be
[02:41] <phreak97> it shows pause/play (theyre the same button) and thats all
[02:41] <diablo69> should I just get a nvidia then?
[02:41] <Kovecses> fglrx works flawless for me
[02:42] <ubuntu> What does ubuntu give me that Debian doesn't?  or is that a dumb question?
[02:42] <phreak97> ill restart and see shall i? i did reinstall
[02:42] <mfv> Kovecses: well there is an error reading from the CD, but it also asks what modules to install for installation... i believe things like PCMCIA, etc...
[02:42] <lostblur> anyone got a link handy for sharing MOUNTED NTFS drives within a linux box, on to the rest of the network? my eyes are bleeding from reading through a ton of inapplicable search results.
[02:42] <kameron> jadewolf: all going well?
[02:42] <Kovecses> ubuntu, newer software
[02:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> diablo69: If you think you'll be doing a lot of 3d stuff - ie, games - then nVidia/high-end Intel integrated are the only options.
[02:42] <johndarkhorse> navarone: the only real differences are in the deb pkg names and versions numbers (there are some binary differences, too) but your programs should run fine (rename your existing homedir and move over one ./.dir at a time to check compatibility)
[02:42] <ubuntu> I do find Debian a bit pedestrian
[02:42] <holycow> ubuntu, nothing really, except ubuntu takes debian unstable, freezes it and applies lots of cash and handpolish to make it work as a desktop.  in debian you would haveto do that work your self
[02:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: sure, let me know if it fixes it
[02:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> phreak97: I'll check to see if anyone else has reported the same problem.
[02:43] <Kovecses> PuMpErNiCkLe, how long has it been since youve used ati
[02:43] <navarone> johndarkhorse, I wasn't planning on attenpting...just thinking out loud...lol
[02:43] <phreak97> ok
[02:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kovecses: Since I stopped using my parents' Mac. :)
[02:43] <diablo69> I'm going to see fi xwine will run a game
[02:43] <phreak97> it worked fine till today
[02:43] <ubuntu> I like the idea of someone else doing the polishing
[02:43] <phreak97> brb
[02:43] <Kovecses> PuMpErNiCkLe, the drivers are very good now...
[02:43] <Kovecses> PuMpErNiCkLe, still not open source though
[02:43] <holycow> ubuntu, striking a balance between 'power and configurability' versus ' preconfiguring a distro for the desktop' are mutually exclusive.  its not that you can't get ubuntu to do anything else, its just that its polished up for you so you don't haveto do it your self.  plus you have the latest and greatest toys
[02:44] <kameron> mwe: okay, i found out i can use a usb repeater
[02:44] <Carl> I'm having trouble accesing a fat32 partition from ubuntu can somone help me?
[02:44] <holycow> ubuntu, i use ubuntu for desktop only, debian for servers.  you cannot beat debian officially supporting 16k packages and for a server thats fantastic
[02:44] <xsquared> Carl: did you mount it?
[02:44] <Seveas> holycow, and nonsense :)
[02:45] <ubuntu> SO... worth the effort of upgrading, or is that an 'it depends'?
[02:45] <holycow> although if ubuntu decides to do somethin evil, i'm going back to debian on desktop in a second :)
[02:45] <Kovecses> ubuntu, it depends
[02:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kovecses: Does that cover their newer products, too? ;)
[02:45] <holycow> and then there are those that disagree with me ... *cough* :)
[02:45] <Kovecses> PuMpErNiCkLe, im using a brand new card
[02:45] <johndarkhorse> Carl: check your fstab permissions
[02:45] <Carl> mount?
[02:45] <Carl> ???
[02:45] <ubuntu> I thought so, this is a server I'm talking abot, but not production
[02:45] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Kovecses: hm.  This is news to me...
[02:45] <xsquared> omgwtfbbq
[02:46] <Carl> it just gave me an message -you do not have permissions necessary
[02:46] <xsquared> mount the drive. then you can access it
[02:46] <lostblur> anyone got a link handy for sharing MOUNTED NTFS drives on to the rest of the LAN? my eyes are bleeding from reading through a ton of inapplicable search results.
[02:46] <Kovecses> holycow, like become not free?
[02:46] <Seveas> lostblur, system -> admin -> shared folders
[02:46] <Carl> I'm a linux newbie
[02:46] <Dreamglider> how do i fix a broken package ?
[02:46] <nickrud> holy_cow, how could anyone dissent from that?
[02:46] <xsquared> Carl: man mount
[02:46] <holycow> Kovecses, well marks opinion on dcc is currently rubbing me the wrong way for example
[02:46] <Carl> how do I mount?
[02:46] <Kovecses> holycow, dcc?
[02:46] <xsquared> Carl: man mount
[02:47] <Carl> I'm sure that is probably the stupid question ever
[02:47] <holycow> albeit mark is right about their lsb approach .. Kovecses dcc alliance
[02:47] <CarlFK> lostblur and Carl - if you are doing windows things, check out  http://www.fs-driver.org  "It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access)."
[02:47] <xsquared> but since your new, its all good
[02:47] <lostblur> thanks seveas & carl
[02:47] <ubuntu> holycow:  Thanks for the info.. I'll continue to think about it.
[02:48] <Carl> I want to read a fat32 partition from linux though
[02:48] <Kovecses> ubuntu, are you running sarge?
[02:48] <ubuntu> Daft question:  how do I find out?
[02:48] <holycow> ubuntu, sure just a rough outline from my perspective, try maybe getting vmware and running ubuntu server under that to test if you don't have a spare machine
[02:48] <holycow> or whatever vm environment youfancy
[02:48] <navarone> Carl there is a script called win_macfstab that you can dl and run to setup your drives to auto mount...if someone could provide link...
[02:48] <Kovecses> ubuntu, you dont know what version of debian you are running
[02:49] <Carl> ok
[02:49] <ubuntu> Think it's now STABLE, is that Woody?
[02:49] <Bachstudies> After starting my computer I received a Grub error 17...Is there anyway to retrieve my filesystem without reformatting?
[02:49] <Carl> that sounds good, I'm confused bout mounting though
[02:49] <cafuego> ubuntu: No, sarge.
[02:49] <xsquared> sarge
[02:49] <Kovecses> ubuntu, stable is sarge now
[02:49] <navarone> Carl I ahve used it but cannot recall the url to dl from...but it will provide instructions for using as well
[02:49] <Seveas> !tell Carl about diskmounter
[02:49] <cafuego> Mind you, if yours is OLD, it might be woody.
[02:49] <ubuntu> Easy way to make sure??
[02:50] <Seveas> Carl, ubotu just sent you a message
[02:50] <CodenameKT> ubuntu: how dare u call urself such a name
[02:50] <Seveas> ubuntu, cat /etc/issue
[02:50] <cafuego> ubuntu: 'uname -r' -> what does that say?
[02:50] <navarone> Seveas is diskmounter worth looking into...instead of running win_mac script?
[02:50] <Seveas> navarone, it's a rename :)
[02:50] <navarone> ok
[02:50] <dawid> hi, in which file is my video config located.. i want to manually change refresh rate
[02:51] <ubuntu> That says: 2.6.8-2-386
[02:51] <cafuego> ubuntu: That's sarge
[02:51] <Kovecses> sarge
[02:51] <hydroksyde> dawid, /etc/X11/xorg.conf I guess
[02:51] <ubuntu> I'm on sarge then.  Does that make a difference?
[02:51] <navarone> whenever I see "sarge" I wanna shout "ten-hut"...maybe jsut me...;)
[02:51] <Kovecses> ubuntu, you didnt install yourself?
[02:51] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe, no good
[02:52] <ubuntu> Yes, I installed it
[02:52] <phreak97> and i got a bunch of errors when i closed it too
[02:52] <Toma-> !freenx
[02:52] <ubotu> I guess freenx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[02:52] <dawid> okay i found.. refresh 43-60, should i change that to 60-85?
[02:52] <tafsen> glxgears should shove me some 3d in movement right?
[02:53] <holycow> tafsen, yep
[02:53] <ubuntu> So is Sarge a problem?
[02:53] <tafsen> holycow, well.. I only see some red color and a litle movement
[02:53] <Kovecses> no sarge is great
[02:53] <cafuego> ubuntu: problem for what? (I just walked in)
[02:54] <ubuntu> I'm thinking og *upgrading* to Ubuntu
[02:54] <ubuntu> s/og/of
[02:54] <Toma-> Seveas: nxclient needs stdc++2? doesnt it compile with 5 ?
[02:54] <holycow> tafsen, that means you either dont have a vid card with 3d accelration (do they still make those?) or you havent installed drivers that have 3d acceleration support for your card.
[02:54] <cafuego> ubuntu: Ah... by doing a dist-upgrade? it will _probably_ work, but you _will_ need to tweak stuff manually afterwards.
[02:54] <_null> how can I remove all packages which I installed from a custom repo?
[02:54] <tafsen> holycow, glxinfo | grep direct
[02:54] <tafsen> direct rendering: Yes
[02:55] <Seveas> Toma-, nxclient isn't open source, I didn't compile it
[02:55] <Toma-> Seveas: ahhh ok. thx :)
[02:55] <ubuntu> I can tweak. I just don't want to spend weeks doing it
[02:55] <cafuego> ubuntu: Any chance you can backup, wipe, install Ubuntu?
[02:55] <ubuntu> That's an option.  Better idea?
[02:56] <tafsen> holycow, does that say you anything?
[02:56] <cafuego> ubuntu: it's by far the best way to go.
[02:56] <holycow> tafsen, no, what question are you trying to answer?
[02:56] <cafuego> _null: Select them in Synaptic, remove them.
[02:56] <_null> cafuego, i don't know which one belongs to which repo...
[02:56] <ubuntu> cafuego: thanks for the advice
[02:56] <cafuego> _null: ... here endeth the lesson.
[02:57] <mr-russ> are ubuntu packages compiled with thread safety by default if a package has the option?
[02:57] <cafuego> _null: Did you originally install them using synaptic?
[02:57] <_null> cafuego, no ;)
[02:57] <cafuego> _null: Then there won't be a log, so you're stuffed.
[02:57] <dawid> exit
[02:57] <tafsen> holycow, im trying to get my 3d card work.  I played WoW in Windows so I know it should work.
[02:57] <_null> cafuego, ok. :)
[02:57] <ubuntu> How does Ubuntu do for Python support?  Anyone here a Pythoneer?
[02:58] <cafuego> tafsen: that's not guaranteed. Is it an S3? ;-)
[02:58] <holycow> tafsen, well thats different, what video card do you have?
[02:58] <_null> cafuego, not a big problem... backup replay :p
[02:58] <cafuego> ubuntu: Ubuntu si virtually built around python.
[02:58] <pierre__> bonsoir a tous
[02:58] <deang> ubuntu : I haven't been disappointed.   What are you looking for?
[02:58] <tim__> hello
[02:58] <tafsen> holycow, I have a 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[02:58] <sparkalo> Hey every body!  My wireless connection finally works ^_^
[02:58] <tim__> anyone feel like helping a linux newb
[02:58] <ubuntu> Debian seems to be a bit 'behind the curve'.
[02:58] <holycow> tafsen, from what i remember you can pretty well forget getting 3d acceleration for itunder linux
[02:59] <cafuego> _null: You could try 'dpkg -l' and see if there are any odd-looking version strings.
[02:59] <pierre__> hello i have intall unbunto since 5 minutes and it's the first time that i use linux
[02:59] <ubuntu> Nothing specific
[02:59] <pierre__> a question please
[02:59] <sparkalo> congratulations pierre
[02:59] <pierre__> :-)
[02:59] <_null> cafuego, ok
[02:59] <cafuego> !listkeys 855
[02:59] <ubotu> Factoid search of '855' by key returned no results.
[02:59] <holycow> tafsen, google to see if you can get linux 3d acceleration to work on it, but unless its an nvidia card/video chipset, forget it
[02:59] <dawid> what web browser do u recommend?
[02:59] <cafuego> !listvals 855
[02:59] <ubotu> Factoid search of '855' by value returned no results.
[02:59] <cafuego> Hmm.
[02:59] <pierre__> how can i install the support to read mp3 please ?
[02:59] <sparkalo> Firefox of course : P
[03:00] <tim__> what is the equivilent of xp's disk manager in linux?
[03:00] <tim__> im using ubuntu
[03:00] <holycow> disk manager? what does that do?
[03:00] <pierre__> i search a consol to type a command but i don't find it
[03:00] <navarone> tim what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:00] <tim__> like fdisk
[03:00] <pierre__> ?
[03:00] <pierre__> please
[03:00] <cafuego> tim__: try 'gparted'
[03:00] <holycow> what cafuego said
[03:00] <tim__> in terminal window?
[03:01] <ubuntu> pierre: What are u trying to do?
[03:01] <cafuego> tim__: (or fdisk :-)
[03:01] <Toma-> i think ive got a serious gtk problem :/ it locks the system up hard (except the mouse) quite randomly... for instance, selecting more than 3 packages to remove with synaptic, and even starting nxclient...
[03:01] <holycow> tim you need to install it first
[03:01] <pierre__> can someone help me ?
[03:01] <holycow> use synaptic to install it, system/prefs
[03:01] <holycow> pierre__, just ask
[03:01] <holycow> oh sorry you did :)
[03:01] <holycow> hehe
[03:01] <navarone> tim__, gparted is like Partition Magic in windows...graphical interface for resizing/creating partitions and such
[03:01] <ubuntu> pierre: I'm listening
[03:01] <cafuego> pierre__: Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[03:02] <bluefoxicy> my damned ipod is too slow.
[03:02] <cafuego> tim__: Also check System -> Administration -> Disks
[03:02] <holycow> cafuego, well after he installs it it will appear under applications/system actually
[03:02] <pierre__> thank you very much cafuego
[03:02] <Toma-> anyone know where gtk logs its errors?
[03:03] <cafuego> pierre__: No problem. Install 'nautilus-open-terminal' - then you have a 'terminal' option in the right-click menu everywhere.
[03:03] <cafuego> Toma-: stdout (~/.xsession-errors)
[03:03] <kameron> Toma-: did you check /var/logs ?
[03:03] <Eleaf> what are some good internet radio stations?
[03:03] <Eleaf> omg
[03:03] <Eleaf> Sorry wrong place
[03:03] <Eleaf> lol
[03:03] <tafsen> holycow, Check for the "drm" module in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. It should be in there, along with the other modules, at the top of the file.
[03:04] <Eleaf> Have a good day everybody!
[03:04] <Eleaf> lol
[03:04] <tafsen> holycow, what does that mean?
[03:04] <sparkalo> hey guys, in my /etc/interfaces/network thing, is the syntax "wireless_mode managed" or "wireless-mode managed"?
[03:04] <cafuego> sparkalo: both are fine
[03:04] <cafuego> Use what you think looks nicer ;-)
[03:04] <Toma-> kameron: yeh. ive tried having /var/log/messages, dmesg, Xorg.log and top all running with tail -f on the desktop then recreating the error. cant get any feedback
[03:04] <Toma-> >:/
[03:04] <pierre__> cafuego sorry just another question
[03:05] <cafuego> pierre__: go ahead
[03:05] <holycow> tafsen, not sure why you are giving me xorg info, check your tab completion?
[03:05] <pierre__> i want to install some file to read mp3
[03:05] <cafuego> this channel is for asking questions, no need to ask if you can ask them.
[03:05] <pierre__> on doc ubuntu
[03:05] <cafuego> pierre__: read or play?
[03:05] <Toma-> i get this... (synaptic:8378): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed
[03:05] <pierre__> i find sudo apt-get install k3b-mp3
[03:05] <Toma-> when opening gtk apps....
[03:05] <pierre__> play
[03:06] <tim__> ok i get fdisk, is there something a little easier to work with i plugged in a raid tower to a dpt scsi card, i dont know if the new drives are even detected
[03:06] <cafuego> pierre__: gstreamer0.8-mad (for the Gnome sound apps)
[03:06] <sethk> Toma-, everyone gets that.  ignore it
[03:06] <Toma-> ok.
[03:06] <pierre__> and how you install it ? i'm beginner
[03:06] <kameron> Toma- geesh, that sucks.
[03:06] <jadewolf> kameron: what do I apt-get to setup nvidia again?
[03:06] <cafuego> pierre__: Probably just get gstreamer0.8-plugins and gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse.
[03:06] <casey> does anyone have wake on lan working with Ubuntu?
[03:06] <Toma-> time to recreate. ie,  crash the system. brb
[03:06] <cafuego> pierre__: System -> Administration -> Synaptic.
[03:06] <kameron> jadewolf: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:07] <pierre__> ok i test just minut
[03:07] <cafuego> pierre__: Then search for the package names, right click them... then click 'Apply'.
[03:07] <casey> apt-cache search nvidia
[03:07] <jadewolf> kameron: thanks again man, its  installing now, just waiting for apt to finish that part and I'll put in the nvnida part
[03:08] <kameron> jadewolf: cool. is X up?
[03:08] <toko123> I'd like to add mplayer
[03:08] <phreak97> PuMpErNiCkLe,  uninstalled, restarted gnome, reinstalled, all works
[03:08] <cafuego> !info mplayer
[03:08] <toko123> is their a miltiverse repository?
[03:08] <cafuego> toko123: multiverse, yes
[03:08] <toko123> !info mplayer
[03:09] <jadewolf> kameron: no still installing right now
[03:09] <toko123> can someone please give me a repostory url
[03:09] <holycow> miltiverse?
[03:09] <kameron> jadewolf: cool
[03:09] <holycow> hahaha!
[03:09] <kameron> !tell toko123 about easysource
[03:09] <cafuego> toko123: Just add 'multiverse' at the end of an existing line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:09] <holycow> :)
[03:10] <toko123> easysource
[03:10] <toko123> ?
[03:10] <dawid> hey um, so how is every1 today
[03:10] <pierre__> cafuego : ok i have install gstreamer after ?
[03:11] <toko123> I have synaptic repositories open
[03:11] <cafuego> pierre__: if you make sure gstreamer0.8-plugins and gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse are installed, you'll be fine.
[03:11] <kameron> toko123: it guides you in setting up /etc/apt/sources.list the "community" supported packages is multiverse and others
[03:11] <cafuego> toko123: just add multiverse in to one of them then
[03:12] <kameron> cafeugo: how do you know if the mirrors he has are synched to a multiverse repo?
[03:12] <Eleaf> lol
[03:12] <Eleaf> hi cafuego
[03:12] <Eleaf> lol
[03:12] <cafuego> kameron: Coz if he use sa nonnstandard mirror he'd have more issues.
[03:12] <kameron> very true
[03:12] <LetterRip> hello all, is there a channel dedicated to Rosetta?
[03:12] <toko123> thanks
[03:13] <cafuego> pierre__: Afterwards, use 'rhythmbox' to play MP#s.
[03:13] <Toma-> no luck. still not output to xsessionerrors
[03:13] <cafuego> Toma-: ~/.xsession-errors
[03:13] <cafuego> Note the typography.
[03:13] <Toma-> err yes. i know.
[03:14] <hou5ton> is there a list of the things I need to install to play Quicktime video's off the web?
[03:14] <Toma-> note the slackness :)
[03:15] <MonsterCookie> does anyone knows how to stop the (offical) flash plugin for firefox from grabbing exclusive use of /dev/dsp (even tho i have an audigy card with hardware mixing and i am using alsa not oss) ? I have tried all the stuff i can find in the forums to solve this.
[03:15] <jadewolf> brb
[03:15] <Toma-> MonsterCookie: tried loading the snd-oss module?
[03:15] <holycow> houston, there are totem plugins that are supposed to play them, but they aren't ready this release and actually should be manually removed
[03:16] <toko123> mplayer 386 586.. which one tom use?
[03:16] <holycow> houston, try synaptic and try installing some mplayer or vlc plugins for mozilla
[03:16] <holycow> totem doesn't use mplayer at all toko
[03:16] <_jason> toko123, read the description of 586.  If you can use it, use 586
[03:16] <pierre__> grrr not work
[03:16] <toko123> athlon 1,000 hz 256 mb matrox 32 mb
[03:16] <kameron> holycow, totem uses xine?
[03:16] <pierre__> i have install gstream
[03:17] <holycow> oh 'which one TO use' hahaha! *blink*
[03:17] <MonsterCookie> Toma-, i have tried the alsa-oss package, but i can't find one by that name
[03:17] <toko123> nvidia drivwre
[03:17] <pierre__> but the exact name of the file that you give me is not in it
[03:17] <Bor_> hello
[03:17] <holycow> kameron, either xine or gstreamer.  xine backend generally works better for now
[03:17] <Eleaf> toko123, is that your dream machine?
[03:17] <pierre__> cafuego ?
[03:17] <Toma-> MonsterCookie: i couldnt find the module i was thinking of just then either...
[03:17] <tim__> can anyone recommend a good place to go for people just starting out with linux? i ma trying to set up a file server on my home network and i am so lost i dont even know the right questions to ask or where to begin
[03:17] <kameron> holycow, okay.
[03:18] <_jason> tim__, help.ubuntu.com, wiki.ubuntu.com, ubuntuforums.org
[03:18] <tim__> thanks jason
[03:18] <nickrud> tim__, tldp.org as well
[03:18] <holycow> tim__, well the right thing often to do is to shut it off and sleep on it.  newbs are usually overwhelmed by the options it helps to let the mind move the info from short term to long term memory
[03:18] <holycow> :) in addition to suggestions above of course
[03:18] <adtherat> Hey, first, I like to say hey to everyone ^^;
[03:18] <MonsterCookie> was it the one i said, or some other one you were thinking of Toma- ? this problem is *really* annoying me :-( I'm not exactly a newbie or bad at searching, but the answer evades me
[03:19] <holycow> its funny how things start to makes sense all of a sudden where once you were looking at a forest of infinite possibility
[03:19] <pierre__> cafuego ? please ?
[03:19] <tim__> that is probobly a good idea the last 10 times i tried linux i just got so frustrated i reformatted went back to windows
[03:19] <tafsen> anyone here that can help me with xorg.conf ?
[03:19] <pierre__> someone to help a beginner to install mp3 codec on ubuntu pleaseeee ?
[03:20] <toko123> Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-22  but it is not installable
[03:20] <toko123>  Depends: libggi2 (>=1:2.0.5) but it is not installable