[06:21] <flocculant> seb128: morning :) please don't shoot the messenger, ochosi said you'd be his go to guy for this, seems there is an issue with advanced partitioning on the installer - ochosi has done an mp for it, bug 1622258
[06:23] <seb128> hey flocculant, ubiquity is rather cyphermox's
[06:24] <flocculant> seb128: ok - I usually hassle cypher mox too - but this is more a visual thing (perhaps)
[06:25] <flocculant> anyway - he'll see the pingeventually :)
[06:25] <seb128> yeah, but it's a trivial change and it's an ubiquity upload
[06:25] <seb128> right
[06:25] <flocculant> aah ok - yea it is an ubiquity upload for sure
[06:25] <seb128> let's see with him, the change is fine it's just that he might have other ubiquity changes pending and he's familiar with the package workflow where I'm not
[06:25] <flocculant> right - thanks :)
[06:26] <seb128> yw!
[06:26] <flocculant> I'll try and catch him later today - I assume he's not on holiday
[06:41] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[06:48] <om26er> Hi! Is there a python API to add a ppa ? add-apt-repository through python ?
[06:54] <pitti> om26er: look at /usr/bin/add-apt-repository, it's a small python CLI around softwareproperties.SoftwareProperties
[06:56] <om26er> pitti, thanks will take a look into that.
[07:59] <willcooke> morning all
[08:01] <seb128> hey pitti, sorry didn't see you morning earlier
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:01] <seb128> how are you?
[08:01] <willcooke> Preparing for a hot day :)
[08:01] <willcooke> It's supposed to get up to 30 again today
[08:01] <willcooke> :/
[08:02] <seb128> yeah, we have a few more of those coming here as well
[08:02] <pitti> I got up early too, much better to work while it's still cool
[08:02] <seb128> then it drops to 17°C this w.e
[08:44] <seb128> happyaron, hey, what's the status of the NM update?
[08:49] <happyaron> seb128: it's in git for yakkety, not yet done for xenial
[08:49] <seb128> happyaron, oh, ok ... did I miss a ping/email about that?
[08:50] <happyaron> seb128: also I'm wondering how to deal with a problem that user still claim reproducible but I'm not able to (in previous SRU)
[08:50] <seb128> which one?
[08:50] <happyaron> guess missing a ping
[08:50] <happyaron> let me find it
[08:51] <happyaron> seb128: bug 1575614, task for n-m
[09:02] <seb128> davmor2, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/283964516/doubleheader.jpg ... is that on an hidpi system? is that specific to those?
[09:04] <davmor2> seb128: no idea I was going to try in a vm latter to check out low dpi but I actually think it is just the a11y icon is the wrong one to be honest I just added that 4k incase it was related to that too
[09:04] <seb128> I just tried on my laptop in virtualbox and don't see the issue
[09:08] <duflu> seb128: The double panel looks like a texture coordinate mistake in Unity7.
[09:09] <duflu> Oh it's not Unity7
[09:09] <seb128> right
[09:09] <duflu> Heh
[09:09] <seb128> it's ubiquity install only mode
[09:09] <seb128> and the big icon is wrong
[09:10] <duflu> Yeah
[09:10] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> seb128, I've run into this bug in LO when using GTK3.
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/136
[09:11] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/issues/298
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/426
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/horst3180/arc-theme/issues/552
[09:12] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg
[09:12] <seb128> "this bug" -> stack of urls
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> They are references to the same issue.
[09:12] <seb128> urls about themes
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> I'll explain :-)
[09:12] <seb128> themes which aren't ours
[09:13] <seb128> yes please
[09:13] <seb128> better to start by explaining rather than dumping a stack of github theme urls
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> LibreOffice when using GTK3 (default in Ubuntu 16.10) is putting a white border around the tool bars.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> This can't be styled by using LO classes :-(
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Wondered if you'd run in to it yet?
[09:14] <seb128> is that what Sweet5hark1 is working on with https://code.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu-themes/libreoffice-toolbars ?
[09:14] <seb128> bug #1580537
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks.
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> I'll follow up there :-)
[09:14] <seb128> wait
[09:14] <seb128> could be bug #1619442 as well
[09:15] <seb128> but bottom line is
[09:15] <seb128> libreoffice -> Sweet5hark1
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, that n-m bug, with what files did you try? only .p12 ones?
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, the upstream bug was about those and the comments suggest it's fixed for them but not for other formats like .pem
[09:26] <seb128> happyaron, otherwise I would recommend just renaming the bug/stating it fixed the .p12 case and to open a new bug for remaining issues and not block the SRU on that with the rational that it's fixing some of the issues and creating no regressions
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Sorry. Was in a meeting.
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> #1580537 is not the issue.
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> I've already added a similar style for Ubuntu MATE.
[09:28] <seb128> flexiondotorg, talk to Sweet5hark1
[09:28] <flexiondotorg> Will do.
[11:02] <jibel> willcooke, is it known that the dash is not starting in an unity8 session?
[11:05] <willcooke> jibel, starting automatically, or not starting at all?
[11:05] <willcooke> jibel, if you click on the BFB does it load?
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, it starts but it's a black screen with a scopes icon
[11:06] <jibel> kernel: QDBusConnection[3929]: segfault at 7f6a1cbf0220  is probably not a good sign
[11:06] <willcooke> jibel, hmm, wfm.
[11:06] <jibel> system-settings is blank
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, on Y?
[11:06] <jibel> willcooke, vigo reproduces the same problem
[11:06] <willcooke> jibel, yes
[11:07] <willcooke> jibel, you might need the overlay PPA
[11:07] <jibel> willcooke, on yakkety?
[11:07] <jibel> you won't make me do that :)
[11:07] <willcooke> oh, right yeah, not then
[11:07] <willcooke> Saviq, ^
[11:07] <jibel> willcooke, are you on yakkety? ;)
[11:07] <willcooke> jibel, yeah
[11:08] <jibel> it's a unity8-dash crash
[11:08] <Saviq> jibel, willcooke, bug #1620934
[11:09] <willcooke> thanks Saviq
[11:09] <jibel> Saviq, thanks
[11:23] <Trevinho> tedg, seb128: any news in the unity7 systemd landing?
[11:47] <seb128> Trevinho, don't ask me, I've nothing to do with it, I though you were the one having it in a silo?
[12:31] <Trevinho> seb128: I know, but you requested some changes from Ted... So I was wondering if something happened
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, right, I mostly asked about those but I didn't see him reply/comment
[13:31] <tedg> seb128: Oh, I must have missed them, sorry.
[13:31]  * tedg looks
[13:32] <seb128> hey tedg, I commented on IRC, not on the mp, maybe I should have done that
[13:33] <tedg> seb128: Ah, okay. Were they with the libindicator MR?
[13:33] <seb128> tedg, iirc my comment was that indicator-common was a poor name if the binary is not for common files but for the systemd unit only
[13:33] <seb128> better to use indicator-systemd
[13:33] <seb128> or similar
[13:34] <ogra_> indicator-ted
[13:34] <seb128> or indicator-prejob
[13:34] <tedg> seb128: Ah, we've been talking about adding different "indicator things" in a common place but have had no place for it. So I was just starting one, I don't expect it to be just the systemd target long term.
[13:34]  * seb128 slaps ogra_
[13:34]  * ogra_ grins
[13:34] <seb128> tedg, then the description is confusing
[13:34] <tedg> seb128: K, I'll update it
[13:34] <seb128> thanks
[13:35] <seb128> in fact I already had commented saying that on the mp
[13:35] <seb128> tedg, Trevinho, I don't think the description thing is important/a blocker for landing so feel free to not block on that
[13:36] <seb128> it's just that the -common includes only the systemd target so I was wondering if it's really a -common
[13:36] <seb128> if it's meant to be fine, just land it
[13:36] <Trevinho> seb128: so... I can rebuild everything if you ted change the names (and I can update the unity branch too)
[13:37] <Trevinho> seb128: once it's done I?m fine to land, but we need to you for publishing it
[13:37] <tedg> I updated the description, but I think we're gonna keep the package name the same.
[13:37] <tedg> I expect we'll have other stuff for it.
[13:38] <seb128> k, acked
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, let me know if there is a button I should press next
[13:39] <tedg> Is Mate going GTK3?
[13:39] <Trevinho> tedg: ok, let's keep that common, so we don't have to update unity too
[13:39]  * tedg really wants to kill that dual GTK build
[13:39] <Trevinho> tedg: mate should be mostly gtk3 nowadays
[13:40] <Trevinho> muktupavels: ^
[13:58] <muktupavels> Trevinho: ?
[13:58] <Trevinho> muktupavels: see tedg's question about gtk2/3
[14:00] <muktupavels> about MATE?
[14:03] <muktupavels> Trevinho: I am not MATE developer... I don't know if they have switched to GTK+ 3.
[14:12] <seb128> Trevinho, you probably want to ask to flexiondotorg
[14:13] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Yes, MATE in Yakkety is GTK3+ only.
[14:13] <tedg> Cool, so probably too late for Yakkety, but we should drop GTK2 then in Z*
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Drop GTK2 from what?
[14:19] <tedg> flexiondotorg: libindicator
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Ah, right.
[14:19] <flexiondotorg> Only Lubuntu using/needing it I think now.
[14:19] <tedg> It has a kinda crazy dual build.
[14:20] <tedg> I thought they switched to Qt?
[14:20] <flexiondotorg> tsimonq2, How is your switch to LXQt coming along?
[14:20] <flexiondotorg> tedg, Not as of 16.10 Beta 1 they hadn't.
[14:30] <pitti> oh, no Laney today
[14:31] <seb128> he's surfing in Portugal this week
[14:31] <pitti> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trun
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, ^
[14:31] <pitti> that's what unity-gtk-module says
[14:31] <pitti> but that's wrong; does anyone happen to know the real branch?
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: slacker :-)
[14:31] <seb128> indeed!
[14:31]  * pitti wants to fix bug 1618886
[14:31] <seb128> once he's back he gets to fix all the bugs we are going to assign to him!
[14:32] <seb128> tedg, attente, ^ do you know?
[14:32] <pitti> oh, nevermind -- it seems https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.15.04 is actually right
[14:32] <pitti> that's where Laney committed to, anyway
[14:32] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/unity-gtk-module/trunk.15.04
[14:32] <seb128> right
[14:32] <pitti> "You cannot upload to this branch" -- agh!
[14:32] <seb128> haha
[14:33] <seb128> yeah, you are not cool enough to play with indicators!
[14:33] <pitti> someone please add core-dev to that..
[14:33] <seb128> tedg, ^
[14:33]  * tedg doesn't trust core-dev they have root on my machine!
[14:34] <pitti> tedg: I suggest you move to Fedora then :)
[14:34] <pitti> TGIF! (or not, bwah!)
[14:34] <tedg> pitti: invited
[14:41] <pitti> tedg: cheers! I'll put up an MP for review anyway
[14:41] <pitti> (an admin still needs to approve the invite)
[15:04] <pitti> tedg: if you have a minute, could you review https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/unity-gtk-module/env-race/+merge/305613 please?  should be straightforward
[15:12] <Trevinho> seb128: when you want you can hit publish https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839
[15:13] <Trevinho> pitti: but is that enough? I mean, now that unity7 is going to use systemd (see silo above) I don't find that to be really racy... The only problem is that is not "stopped" on graphics environment
[15:13] <Trevinho> stop
[15:13] <tedg> pitti: Looks good to me.
[15:21] <pitti> tedg: cheers; so I'll now figure out how to land through bileto :) (about time..)
[15:21] <pitti> tedg: btw, is there still some blocker for your indicators landing other than landing unity? something I can help unblock?
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, "Publish failed: Pending binary packages"
[15:23] <seb128> Trevinho, some binaries are not published yet, need to retry later
[15:23] <Trevinho> seb128: I guess they're still publishing... Sorry I just reacted to the bileto change
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: sorry for being n00b and lazynet; I created https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1941
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: is there anything else for me to do until builds, britney, tests etc. start?
[15:25] <seb128> pitti, click "build"?
[15:25] <pitti> oh, these are buttons -- thanks
[15:25] <seb128> yw!
[15:26] <pitti> Trevinho: I added a task for that "unit stop when session crashes" part, that's not in unity-gtk-session
[15:27] <pitti> Trevinho: indeed, it's less of a problem once unity7 gets converted, and no problem at all once we are completely done, but IMHO it's still cleaner/safer that way until we actually land it
[15:27] <Trevinho> pitti: it's landing like... now? :-)
[15:27] <Trevinho> pitti: at least... waiting for paackages to be published
[15:27] <pitti> Trevinho: ooh! is it? does that need the indicators too, or can unity land separately?
[15:28]  * pitti hugs Trevinho
[15:28] <Trevinho> pitti: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1839
[15:28] <Trevinho> pitti: i wanted to land that for weeeks, but.... it took more than expected
[15:28] <pitti> Trevinho: I wasn't sure if it needs to go in lockstep with https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1710
[15:29] <willcooke> ding din#
[15:29] <willcooke> it's meeting time
[15:29] <seb128> wooot
[15:29] <willcooke> ha
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2016-09-13
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 13 15:30:15 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (hols), laney (hols), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (sick)
[15:30] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <tedg> pitti: No, I think just unity
[15:31] <tedg> Oops, sorry to interrupt
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> heya
[15:31]  * happyaron is still gathering what he did last week
[15:32] <qengho> Hello my pretties.
[15:33] <willcooke> qengho, nmap snap worked for that bloke as well.
[15:33] <willcooke> anyway, back to the topic in hand....
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> humm, no andyrock?  Let's come back to him.
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> hey, still fixing the gnome-builder snap: http://attente.ca/gnome-builder_3.21.91_amd64.snap (384 MB)
[15:35] <attente> it launches now, but can't seem to actually build a project with it yet though, and it's still --devmode only
[15:35] <attente> also going to look into gnome-terminal as a replacement as the default u8 terminal
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> attente, looks like we're going to be pushing for Ubuntu Terminal in to main, but it would still be good to knock some of the bugs out of the gtk mir option anyway
[15:36] <attente> ok
[15:36] <willcooke> attente, press on per the plan, and I'll keep you updated
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hello
[15:36] <desrt> sorry -- got busy and didn't prepare my notes (forgot about meeting)
[15:37] <desrt> was a pretty busy week of pings, mostly.  progressed the dconf work, but not lots.
[15:37] <desrt> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thx desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dg
[15:37] <willcooke> oh, dgadomski is on hols
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> helllo
[15:37] <FJKong> fcitx-qimpanel : discuss to add feature of ping back to qimpanel
[15:37] <FJKong> sogou IM bug tracing :
[15:37] <FJKong> * can't switch IM by hot key binding.
[15:37] <FJKong> * can't swith to sogou to type under FoxitReader
[15:38] <FJKong> little time of snap on PI
[15:38] <FJKong> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:38] <happyaron> 1. libxml2 python3 package added
[15:38] <happyaron> 2. fixed opencc2 package for rime
[15:38] <happyaron> 3. n-m 1.2.4 for yakkey, extensive dns-manager patch rebase
[15:38] <happyaron> 4. ubuntukylin-wallpapers, not finished yet
[15:38] <happyaron> 5. Ubuntu user (in China) statistic information discussion with Sogou & NUDT
[15:38] <happyaron> EOF
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:38] <qengho> * Still awaiting Firefox++ for quota exhaustion in one Google API.
[15:38] <qengho> * Testing Chromium 53. Fixing High-DPI bug. Maybe supporting ARM64 from now on.
[15:38] <qengho> * Some snap testing. Ongoing.
[15:38] <qengho> EOF
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:39] <seb128> • yakkety testing/triaging/bugs fixing
[15:39] <seb128> • sponsoring
[15:39] <seb128> • some NEW reviews

[15:39] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:40] <seb128> oh, also unity8 mirs reviews
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - libreoffice conference
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - annual board and staff meetings
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> - build and uploaded 5.2.1 as snap (still waiting for review when I last checked)
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:40] <willcooke> nice work on the snap getting built quickly
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:40] <willcooke> * Got flights for sprint booked.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Helped partially resolve bug 1580882 by suggesting to folks to try the latest alsa driver daily snapshot packages. Folks asked about trying to backport the commit that fixes things, but without access to hardware that I can reproduce this with, I think it may be easier to mark this fixed once Xenial has the yakkety kernel.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Work ongoing to try and get Orca speaking in oem-config... Seems to work fine with the Mate version, but not with the vanilla Ubuntu image.
[15:40] <willcooke> * Assigned bug 1574324 to Simon, since he wrote the patches that are breaking thigns for people, since I don't really understand the code and I don't have hardware that I can reproduce this bug with to try and experiment.
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Continued bug fixing on cups-browsed:
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Let all queues pointing to remote CUPS printers have a local PPD file so that the options appear in the print dialogs and printer setup tools can even modify the defaults and the modifications get saved for the next cups-browsed sessions.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Make load-balancing printer clustering also work correctly with remote printers broadcasted by the legacy CUPS method (not by Bonjour).
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Shortened the IPP access timeouts so that cups-browsed does not hang so long on shutdown if a remote server gets inaccessible.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Let the implicitclass backend repeat the job only after a delay when it fails to send the data to the remote printer.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>    o Small fixes.
[15:42] <tkamppeter>  - Bugs.
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Enabled Xdnd tests in unity7
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Prepared some fixes for the shortcut view not being properly hidden
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Updated unity7 systemd branch with new fixes
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fix a potential crash in unity7 launcher
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Fixed fake indicators model for unity8 tests
[15:43] <Trevinho> · Porting unity8 menu items to ListItemLayout's
[15:43] <Trevinho>  /EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:43] <Trevinho> (took longer cause the laptop suspended just before because of drained battery :-P)
[15:44] <willcooke> :))
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:44] <willcooke> about?
[15:44] <willcooke> guess not.
[15:44] <willcooke> andyrock, please let me have your update via email
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic aob
[15:45] <willcooke> seb128, can we do another status review tomorrow for the MIRs.  I'm starting to get twitchy. :)
[15:45] <willcooke> I'll take a look through, but just a quick sync up would be good
[15:45] <seb128> willcooke, I'm reviewing those atm
[15:45] <willcooke> ah, nice!
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:45] <seb128> willcooke, did you get any status update from robert?
[15:45] <willcooke> let's sync tomorrow
[15:45] <willcooke> seb128, he's off sick
[15:45] <seb128> wonder if I didn't see it in the backlog
[15:46] <seb128> oh, ok
[15:46] <seb128> was the whole week off?
[15:46] <seb128> I hope he's ok
[15:46] <willcooke> no he's off sick atm, so couldnt do his report
[15:46] <seb128> ah
[15:46] <seb128> makes sense
[15:46] <seb128> so no news about that g-s landing I guess :-/
[15:46] <seb128> anyway, no need to keep the meeting going for that
[15:46] <willcooke> It's waiting MIR
[15:46] <willcooke> oh, sorry
[15:47] <willcooke> wrong thing
[15:47] <willcooke> Mascot...
[15:47] <willcooke> seb128, do you know if I need to put it somewhere other than in the slideshow?
[15:47] <seb128> not wrong thing, I think he wanted libsnapd in to upload
[15:47] <willcooke> ah yeah
[15:47] <seb128> wallpaper and slideshows, I think that's it
[15:47] <willcooke> oki cool
[15:47] <willcooke> anyone got anything else?
[15:47] <seb128> talk to the documentation team/Gunnar
[15:48] <willcooke> ack
[15:48] <seb128> for the yelp index
[15:48] <willcooke> oki, let's wrap.  Thanks all
[15:48] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 15:48:48 2016 UTC.
[15:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-09-13-15.30.moin.txt
[15:48] <seb128> thanks
[15:50] <jbicha> I think we ought to decide whether to revert fonts-liberation to version 1 like Debian did https://bugs.debian.org/835273
[15:50] <jbicha> do I talk to gunnarhj about that? or someone else?
[15:51] <seb128> who did the update?
[15:52] <seb128> but yeah, Gunnar is probably a good person to talk to about that one
[15:53] <jbicha> the update was done by auto-sync but Debian reverted a week after import freeze
[15:55] <jbicha> willcooke: is the slideshow your dept now? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-marketing/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubiquity-1610/+merge/305578
[15:55] <willcooke> jibel, not really.  I just do the Ubuntu updates, cyphermox does the real work
[15:56] <jbicha> ok
[15:58] <attente> anyone would happen to know an easy way to get autotools to use a custom prefix at runtime?
[16:00] <seb128> attente, autotools are a buildtime tool I don't think they have an impact on runtime?
[16:01] <seb128> said differently I don't think you can
[16:01] <desrt> attente: --prefix and DESTDIR
[16:01] <attente> seb128: the problem here is that gnome-builder needs them
[16:01] <desrt> it's really all you have
[16:01] <attente> they are actual runtime depends
[16:01] <seb128> "them"?
[16:01] <attente> the autotools
[16:01] <desrt> ohh.
[16:01] <desrt> you have autotools themselves installed in a weird prefix?
[16:01] <attente> like i can jhbuild bootstrap them
[16:01] <seb128> I misunderstood your question
[16:02] <desrt> that ought to 'just work'
[16:02] <seb128> desrt apparently did as well
[16:02] <desrt> it's a bit of an odd question
[16:02] <seb128> but yeah, just append the other dir to your path?
[16:02] <desrt> bootstrapping autotools is a massive recipe for disaster
[16:02] <seb128> so that version is found first?
[16:02] <attente> so here's the situation
[16:02] <desrt> also: taking a autotools .deb and moving it into a snapped world is just not gonna work at all
[16:02] <attente> desrt: yes, exactly
[16:03] <desrt> don't do that :)
[16:03] <desrt> you'd be better off bootstrapping it
[16:03] <desrt> but here's the rub: don't
[16:03] <attente> so adding it to stage-packages is impossible
[16:03] <attente> and bootstrapping it is a disaster
[16:03] <desrt> a snapped gnome-builder is almost useless, and for exactly the same reason as bootstrapping autotools is a recipe for much pain: you need deps to build software, and there is not going to be enough of them in your virtual world
[16:04] <desrt> every single person who wants to use gnome-builder to do more than hello world is going to need libsomething-dev, which will not be in your snap
[16:04] <attente> maybe i should've looked at another module to snap instead :/
[16:04] <desrt> gnome-builder is a weird case.  it really ought to have read-only access to all of /usr/include /usr/share and /usr/lib
[16:05] <desrt> in which case you should just have autotools installed there
[16:05] <attente> right
[16:05] <desrt> i know that's not really in the spirit of how snaps work, but development tools are sort of a different story...
[16:05] <desrt> even on macos, installing xcode means that you get a bunch of extra stuff appearing in this new directory called /usr, for example
[16:05] <attente> maybe we need a new interface for snapped devtools
[16:06] <desrt> in general, i think you're sort of on to the right idea here: don't try to snap gnome-builder yet
[16:06] <desrt> it's far far better for people to jhbuild that
[16:06] <desrt> and, indeed, the target market for gnome-builder is exactly the sort of people who won't mind as much to get their hands dirty with jhbuild
[16:08] <attente> yeah. it's a pity though. it seems to mostly work with the exception of the actual project building
[16:08] <desrt> lol.
[16:08] <desrt> "it does everything, except for that thing that it was designed to do!"
[16:08] <attente> :P
[16:08] <desrt> "...sure looks pretty, tho"
[16:10] <jbicha> we'll just have to call it something other than Builder?
[16:11] <desrt> it's still a very nice text editor :)
[17:17] <Trevinho> pitti: I'm confused... Are you still using unity-gtk-module under upstart also if we land unity7 systemd support?
[17:25] <seb128> calling it a day, have a nice evening desktopers
[17:31] <willcooke> night seb128
[17:50] <willcooke> quittin time here too.  Night all
[18:25] <pitti> Trevinho: we still have a lot of upstart jobs in the session that aren't ported yet; I can't say for sure that none of them use $GTK_MODULES
[21:26] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: we're shooting for 17.04
[21:26] <flexiondotorg> OK
[21:26] <tsimonq2> flexiondotorg: otherwise, if you guys are waiting on Lubuntu to drop something, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and CC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:27] <flexiondotorg> Will do. Thanks tsimonq2
[21:28] <tsimonq2> no problem flexiondotorg :)


[19:00] <BlueProtoman> Can someone help me with an Eclipse C++ problem involving the automatically generated makefile?  More info here; http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9345984/eclipse-c-issue-no-binary-but-no-compiler-error-no-classes-but-no-entry-i


[19:42] <nmarques> jcastro, ping
[20:05] <nmarques> guys a quick question
[20:06] <nmarques> is the artwork (mainly wallpaper) on Ubuntu contributed by the community or it's something by Canonical?
[20:21] <vish> nmarques: canonical
[20:22] <vish> nmarques: the default one is done by the design team, the extras are from community
[20:23] <nmarques> vish, how would I contact the design team ? :)
[20:24] <vish> nmarques: since i'm not sure what you are looking for, i dont know :)
[20:24] <vish> as in whom to direct you to..
[20:26] <nmarques> vish, I'm implementing some of your software for openSUSE, and I was working on a small package with alternative wallpapers (distro agnostic), I wonder since this to be used with some of your software (namely indicators and at a later stage, Unity), if you guys wouldn't be interested in providing the 'default' wallpaper for this
[20:27]  * vish does not work for Canonical.. but will take that "your" as an Ubuntu member ;)
[20:28] <nmarques> vish, with 'your' I mean mainly the software from the Ayatana Project ;)
[20:28] <nmarques> vish, in the scope of everyone who made it possible, Ubuntu, Community, Canonical, enthusiasts, etc... the life force behind it ;)
[20:29] <vish> yup, i got that part.. :)  but wanted to let you know i'm non-canonical
[20:30] <vish> nmarques: "provide" as in make a separate wallpaper for OpenSUSE?
[20:30] <nmarques> vish, not for openSUSE, I would love it more in a 'distro agnostic' context...
[20:31] <nmarques> vish, though I'm doing this for openSUSE, at any time I can enable cross distro builds for other distro's ;)
[20:31] <vish> nmarques: hmm, are you saying that you wish for the default wallpaper for Ubuntu to be distro-agnostic?
[20:31] <nmarques> vish, nah, let me rephrase ;)
[20:32] <nmarques> vish, I have several pieces of ayatana software, indicators (in the future Unity), and as I understand, this is a Desktop experience
[20:32] <vish> yup..
[20:32] <nmarques> vish, it wouldn't be very ethical to distribute your artwork, specially not a wallpaper which is much like a distro calling card ;)
[20:33] <nmarques> vish, I've asked several people if they wanted to donate a wallpaper (despite of distribution affiliation)
[20:33] <nmarques> vish, I'm going to package 5/7 wallpapers from several sources and distribute them on that repo
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, I haven't asked no one from Ubuntu, and since this is a Ubuntu Desktop Experience project, it would be interesting to have a different wallpaper which translates the essence of the original project to distribute as default
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, if someone wants to donate such a wallpaper, I would love to distribute as default
[20:34] <nmarques> vish, giving the proper credits and honoring the licenses ;)
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, when I say distro agnostic, this means that it shouldn't be branded as Ubuntu or openSUSE or whatever
[20:35] <vish> nmarques: right, so this is for a ppa-kinda thing, but targeted for OpenSUSE to use Unity stuff?
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, yes, that's one way of seeing things ;)
[20:35] <nmarques> vish, except that I can enable build for other distros as well (Fedora, CentOS, RHEL, Mandriva, etc) ;)
[20:36] <vish> ah!
[20:36] <nmarques> vish, and there's a huge possibility that will happen in a medium future ;)
[20:37] <vish> nmarques: well, i *highly* doubt that anyone from Canonical design team would 'work' on that, but you could try requesting someone from Ubuntu artwork team to look into it..
[20:38] <nmarques> vish, that's why I asked it if it was made by the community or canonical ;)
[20:38] <vish> ;)
[20:39] <nmarques> I would like to keep this as much as possible within 'community' boundaries
[20:39] <vish> nmarques: how many people are working on this repo of yours?
[20:39] <nmarques> vish, indirectly, some, namely openSUSE GNOME team
[20:40] <nmarques> vish, directly, package wise, just me ;)
[20:40] <vish> cool..
[20:40] <nmarques> vish, though everything is being reviewed by Vincent Untz from GNOME/openSUSE and the more experient people
[20:40] <vish> nmarques: IMO, you are better off searching for CC artwork you like and contacting the artist and finalizing it
[20:40] <vish> nmarques: ^it will take you much shorter time ;)
[20:42] <nmarques> vish, very few artists so far understand a couple of things I value
[20:43] <nmarques> vish, this can pure coincidence, but one the things I love is present on the default wallpaper of Ubuntu
[20:43] <nmarques> vish, being it: it has no recognized shapes... so our sub-conscient doesn't waste time and resources trying to identify shapes and other tiny things
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, humans have no conscience on this, but it happens, that's one of the reasons why many wallpaper become 'tiring' after some time looking at them ;)
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, I never managed to pass this message to a artists for example...
[20:44] <nmarques> vish, and very few people are aware of things like that ;)
[20:45] <vish> nmarques: right, so you have found a few you like, i would suggest you try to work with them..  if you are requesting for community to do a new wallpaper, then you would have to set a target date, your project must attract the right artist, the artists who's work you value
[20:46] <vish> and there is always the chance the right tone is not delivered in the submissions..
[20:47] <vish> nmarques: that is a big wait.. and not all design contests attract the right artists the concerned folks are looking for
[20:48] <vish> nmarques: if you already like some work, try contacting them, that is a much quicker process.. and more easier to produce a result
[20:49] <nmarques> vish, yeap, I'll see how to handle this... to be honest, design and artwork are fields I don't really understand... I'm just a consumer for most cases ;)
[20:49] <vish> ;)
[21:57] <multiplatinum> fix instant messaging in 11.04 ok, pidgin and empathy are a freaking joke
[22:01] <multiplatinum> hello?
[22:02] <tareth> multiplatinum, what's wrong with them?
[22:02] <multiplatinum> empathy crashes randomly
[22:02] <multiplatinum> and pidgin can't do voice and video for xmpp
[22:04] <kklimonda> well, natty is still alpha, so crashing applications are not really something unheard of.
[22:04] <tareth> multiplatinum, well, the best course of action would be to file bug reports against them on launchpad. you can also join #pidgin on this server for any issues related to pidgin, and #empathy on gimpnet
[22:05] <multiplatinum> im on maverick
[22:05] <multiplatinum> tried that
[22:05] <multiplatinum> they dont listen
[22:05] <kklimonda> if you want to report crashes the only right way to do that is to enable apport, and upload crash report to LP.
[22:59] <MindWarper> i thought this to be a dead channel ....


[00:10] <wintellect> hey brobostigon
[01:09] <Penguin> say your version! Ubuntu 10.10 64x here.
[01:10] <losty> 11.04
[01:10] <Penguin> wow.
[01:11] <Penguin> XD only one person who isn't idling?
[01:11] <losty> i was thinking, i should start idling soon
[01:11] <Penguin> how's 11.04 losty? Any significant bugs that you want to point out?
[01:12] <losty> ummm... just having some issues with gwubber
[01:12] <losty> gwibber*
[01:12] <losty> its not very fluid
[01:12] <losty> apart from that, works fine, only other major issue (or not)
[01:13] <losty> is dash and launcher isn't visible for some reason...
[01:13] <Penguin> :)
[01:13] <losty> not sure if im just being a silly newb
[01:13] <Penguin> :P weird
[01:13] <Penguin> That makes both of us. I'm jsut the cautious newb type. :D
[01:14] <losty> ye
[01:14] <losty> :D
[01:14] <losty> this is most probably the longest ive been on, and have to say its been quite lovely
[01:15] <losty> appearance is soo much improved
[01:15] <losty> im not comparing to 10.04
[01:16] <Penguin> I actually prefer 10.04, only there was this update that came half-way through the release which bugged out my laptop.
[01:17] <Penguin> now i'm on 10.10 and the thing over-heats like crazy. Do you have a CPU heat monitor losty?
[01:18] <losty> no, im still tinkering about Penguin
[01:22] <losty> what do you use Penguin? Psesnor?
[01:23] <Penguin> I have Nvidia drivers, so it comes with the monitor
[01:27] <losty> cool
[01:28] <Penguin> bye losty
[02:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Be Nice, Free Snacks. - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/be-nice-free-snacks/
[06:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Looking For Awesome LoCo Team Blog Feeds - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/looking-for-awesome-loco-team-blog-feeds/
[08:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:15] <DJones> Morning
[08:16] <brobostigon> weird, i just noticed,the signal indicator in android gingerbread, doesnt have an indicator, inicating hsdpa, 3g etc.
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning DJones
[08:17] <DJones> hi brobostigon
[08:24] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:39] <bigcalm> Ug
[08:39] <bigcalm> Hate getting to work early
[08:41] <brobostigon> this is weird, an x-men prequel, a star trek prequel, starwars. loads ofprequels recently.
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:41] <oimon> morning
[09:41] <popey> lo
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning oimon and popey
[09:41] <popey> chaps...
[09:41] <popey> do these play back for you ?
[09:41] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsWwCqZfpAI  <- 1080p
[09:41] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5AgfsSvhPs <- 720p
[09:42] <brobostigon> i dont think it is worth trying on my eeepc,really.
[09:42] <DJones> popey: Both do for me on Windows 7 with chrome
[09:42] <popey> hehe brobostigon
[09:42] <DJones> Do you need them checking on ubuntu?
[09:43] <oimon> popey: they work for me on lucid.
[09:44] <oimon> running chromium...although youtube was pinwheeling a lot of the 1080 one ..thats youtubes prob tho
[09:44] <czajkowski> MORNING!
[09:44] <popey> what resolution were you playing them at?
[09:44] <popey> default is 360 i think
[09:44] <oimon> selected 1080 and 720
[09:44] <popey> should playback in html5 too
[09:44] <popey> not just flash
[09:45] <gord> works fine here
[09:45] <oimon> don't notice the different of resolution when the video is of duplocraft :D
[09:45] <popey> true
[09:45] <oimon> was viewing full scren
[09:46]  * oimon went to belle and sebastian gig last night, feeling rather jolly
[09:46] <DJones> Default on my ubuntu machine went to 360 with no option to change, win7 machine would play at 1080 although default was 360
[09:46] <gord> youtube compresses 1080 and 720 stuff so much that it rarely makes a huge difference =\ nice that its there when you want it though
[09:47] <oimon> was watching a desktop screencast the other day in 1080p full screen, feels like your own desktop :D
[09:47] <gord> oop, bunch of mailing lists have mailed me to tell me its the 1st of the month
[09:48] <oimon> with clear text passwords...
[09:48] <DJones> gord: As I got asked in work, did I say "White rabbits"
[09:49] <oimon> hayfever is going mental today
[09:50] <popey> Happy Mailman Day!
[09:50] <popey> -rw-r--r-- 1 alan alan  30G 2011-05-31 21:24 2113-screencast.avi
[09:51] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:51] <popey> ^^^ that youtube video :D
[09:51] <popey> before compression of course
[09:51] <dogmatic69> popey: works for me
[09:52] <popey> took _ages_ to encode
[09:52] <oimon> which s/w did u use to record?
[09:52] <popey> but then I was encoding to 720p and 1080p at the same time. I wont bother next time. just do 1080p and let youtube do it
[09:53] <domjohnson> Erm...is Blender included by default in Ubuntu?
[09:53] <domjohnson> 11.04?
[09:53] <popey> not on the cd, no
[09:53] <gord> no
[09:53] <popey> its in the repo
[09:53] <domjohnson> ok
[09:58] <popey> oimon: sorry, missed your question... ffmpeg
[09:59] <oimon> popey: have you found a screencast tool to work on natty yet?
[09:59] <oimon> or it needs tweaks still
[09:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615682/
[09:59] <popey> ^^^ that
[10:00] <oimon> cute
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: only 720p! :)
[10:01] <ali1234> popey: you know you could have just used a torch to open that iron door right? also you didn't pick up all your stuff, you missed something diamond
[10:02] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615683/
[10:02] <popey> MartijnVdS: i have two versions
[10:02] <popey> ^^^ then i do that to encode
[10:02] <popey> ali1234: i didnt know that!
[10:02] <czajkowski> so thats what mine craft is all about
[10:02] <ali1234> a redstone torch that is
[10:02] <popey> which I had loads of ☺
[10:02] <ali1234> yes or you could have just taken the one powering the track
[10:03] <gord> czajkowski, you aren't playing minecraft with us yet? for shame
[10:03] <czajkowski> nope
[10:03] <czajkowski> dear gods I'd never get anything done
[10:03]  * popey notes a typo
[10:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615686/
[10:03] <czajkowski> ;)
[10:03]  * czajkowski hugs popey
[10:03] <gord> oh geez, i installed firefox 6 - now none of my extensions work. what have i done
[10:03] <popey> so that does two-pass encoding to h264 and aac
[10:04] <popey> the webm and ogg conversions are kinda pointless
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you use -vpre main (after -vpre hq (in the second pass of mpeg-4) it'll play on more devices out of the box
[10:04] <popey> o rly?
[10:04] <gord> i just use handbrake when converting for youtube :) whenever i try ffmpeg i end up with desync :(
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: I've had problems on my ps3 when not using that flag, it's a bit.. sensitive.. about MPEG-4 optional bits
[10:06] <oimon> people wonder why linux is hard...remember before ubuntu , EVERYTHING was about hidden command line stuff - even burning cds
[10:07] <ali1234> lolno
[10:07] <ali1234> k3b is older than ubuntu
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> oimon: what? cdrecord dev=0,3,0 foo.iso :)
[10:08] <oimon> i'm still slightly untrusting of banshee etc to rip my CDs efficiently
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> oimon: sound-juicer is fine
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> banshee I don't trust :)
[10:08] <oimon> especially after mrs oimon used rhythmbox and ripped a load of CDs and 128kp because it was the default
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I've configured it to rip to FLAC
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> and I move them into the right place in ~/Music using Picard (musicbrainz app) which also adds proper metadata
[10:09] <oimon> i struggled with picard
[10:09] <oimon> used it for 20 mins and was confused
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> its interface is a bit bad
[10:09] <diplo> Hi All, known issues with Nvidia and dual screens on natty ?
[10:10] <ali1234> only the same old ones there's always been
[10:10] <diplo> Screen totally lags out and the locks up
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> sounds like good old nvidia
[10:11] <brobostigon> i think i have finallyfound a version of gingerbread, that works well onmy htc dream, and isnt killing the ram.
[10:11] <gord> diplo, nope, works fine here
[10:12] <diplo> Best way to restart X in natty ?
[10:12] <brobostigon> in basis,nothing elseinstalled, or running, but the basics, and half the ram is still free, someone has beendoing alot ofwork.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> diplo: sudo service gdm restart
[10:12] <popey> thanks MartijnVdS I'm always looking for ways to improve that script!
[10:13] <diplo> Wonder whether a clean install may work better than a upgrade
[10:14] <oimon> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-Blogs-to-close-due-to-limited-use-1253151.html
[10:14] <ali1234> popey: is 72 the height of the top unity panel?
[10:14] <diplo> Hmm happens as soon as I enable second screen, works fine with single
[10:14] <ali1234> that is, are you running minecraft mazimized and then the -i cuts off the top panel?
[10:16] <ali1234> diplo:  check the refresh rates
[10:16] <ali1234> if they are quite different it can mess things up
[10:16] <popey> ali1234: no, thats for when I'm recording a virtualbox window
[10:16] <diplo> kk, just seeing if classis does the same
[10:16] <popey> that skips the top panel and the virtualbox window chrome
[10:17] <ali1234> popey: hmm ok, but it is an offset yeah?
[10:17] <popey> yes
[10:17] <ali1234> cos i have 1200 vertical, and i run minecraft maximized not fullscreen
[10:17] <ali1234> so i can cut off the top 120 pixels to get proper 1080
[10:17] <ali1234> and also get rid of the panel at the same time
[10:17] <popey> 1920x1200?
[10:17] <ali1234> yes
[10:18] <popey> probably easier to just change res of the display
[10:18] <diplo> Hmm monitor preferences says 'Unknown'
[10:18] <popey> and use full screen
[10:18] <ali1234> diplo: it will you must use nvidia-settings
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> diplo: Nvidia's drivers don't support the standard monitor configuration tool
[10:18] <popey> unless you plan on doing something with those 120 pixels ☺
[10:18] <diplo> Different size screens, 1 x 1600x1200 1x 1280x1024
[10:18] <ali1234> ew no, do you know how long it took me to get my xorg.conf right?
[10:18] <ali1234> also fullscreen tends to never ever work right with dual head
[10:19] <popey> ah, dual head
[10:19] <gord> seriously, that stuff needs to be fixed =\
[10:19] <diplo> Both refresh rates set to 60hz
[10:20] <ali1234> ok, alsa problems
[10:20] <diplo> Still lagging out though
[10:20] <ali1234> i don't have hw:1,0, hw:0,0 says i/o error
[10:21] <diplo> Defo works better under classic but still not right
[10:21] <diplo> :/
[10:21] <popey> ali1234: what do you have in /proc/asound/cards ?
[10:21] <popey> I just grab the number from that
[10:21] <popey> and make sure its not muted in pulse audio mixer
[10:21] <popey> :S wfm
[10:22] <wintellect> does popey play minecraft under Ubuntu?
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:22] <wintellect> is it java based?
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:23] <wintellect> perhaps I'll give it a look then
[10:23] <popey> actually I play in Ubuntu, OSX and Windows
[10:23] <popey> depending on whatever I happen to be on at the time
[10:23] <wintellect> is it easy to set up your own server?
[10:23] <popey> yes
[10:23] <wintellect> cool
[10:23] <wintellect> thanks
[10:23] <popey> there is a jar file on the website, spark that up, job done
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> Keeping it running can be a challenge, I heard
[10:24] <popey> there are other things to consider though
[10:24] <wintellect> oh?
[10:24] <popey> mostly works for me
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> (with memory allocations, garbage collector configuration, etc.)
[10:24] <popey> wintellect: it has high memory requirements
[10:24] <wintellect> :(
[10:24] <wintellect> I have 2.2GB RAM - that enough?
[10:24] <popey> 13146 minecraf  20   0 2806m 1.1g 4680 S   20 38.4 109:47.37 java
[10:24] <popey> yeah
[10:24] <popey> depends how many players you have online at once and how big the map is
[10:25] <popey> and how far apart they all are
[10:25] <wintellect> sure
[10:25] <gord> wonder why minecraft does run better in linux, i mean, significantly
[10:25] <wintellect> do you run it with the sun java - or the free java?
[10:25] <oimon> gord: compared to which OS?
[10:25] <popey> sun
[10:26] <wintellect> k, thanks
[10:26] <popey> cant say I have noticed a difference between win/ubun on same hardware
[10:26] <popey> wintellect: oh, and IO can be a bit of a problem
[10:26] <popey> my minecraft server has an SSD to reduce that issue
[10:26] <gord> on my hardware windows 7 struggles to run minecraft fullscreen, on ubuntu i get like 200fps
[10:27] <popey> i have no idea how many fps I get
[10:27] <popey> will check
[10:27] <popey> I think I turned on fps display on that video at the end
[10:27] <bigcalm> Full screen makes me feel ill
[10:27] <popey> hehe
[10:27] <popey> wuss :D
[10:27] <bigcalm> :'(
[10:27] <gord> its kinda weird to check now that notch added some weird fps limiting stuff, he doesn't seem to know how to use threads =\
[10:27] <bigcalm> Motion sickness FTW
[10:28] <bigcalm> popey: Castle Wolfenstine did the same to me
[10:28] <bigcalm> No other game has though
[10:28] <ali1234> popey: i don't have any numbers in that file
[10:28] <gord> (fyi, #u-uk-minecraft takeover of #u-uk complete!)
[10:28] <popey> hmm, i thought I did
[10:29] <ali1234> well, there's 0, 1, and 2
[10:29] <ali1234> 0 is the one i need
[10:29] <ali1234> but it's in use by pulseaudio of course
[10:29] <popey> oh, sorry, your cards
[10:29] <popey> can you pastebin it?
[10:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615690/
[10:30] <popey> thats my /proc/asound/cards
[10:30] <popey> I'm using the snowball
[10:30] <ali1234> but your script says hw:1,0
[10:30] <ali1234> which is the XFi
[10:30] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615692/
[10:31] <popey> i may have given an old script
[10:31] <popey> i just had a rummage and pasted an old copy
[10:31] <popey> not the one I used last night
[10:31] <ali1234> i get 9 fps recording 1080
[10:32] <ali1234> it's a bit berky jerky
[10:32] <popey> erk
[10:32] <popey> I am recording to a different disk btw
[10:32] <popey> so my script /mnt/screencasts is another SATA drive
[10:32]  * oimon wonders whether to get usb3 ports on staff desktop PCs
[10:32] <ali1234> so am i
[10:32] <ali1234> i could also record to a ramdisk, i have 16 gb now
[10:32] <ali1234> i doubt it would help though
[10:32] <popey> heh
[10:33] <ali1234> i'll give it a go
[10:33] <ali1234> 9 fps isn't that bad
[10:33] <popey> 3GB/min
[10:33] <ali1234> yeah i have a 9GB recording now
[10:33] <popey> i left it running once to see whether the audio and video would go out of sync over time
[10:33] <popey> it didnt
[10:33] <popey> but I did run out of disk space :D
[10:34] <ali1234> since i can't record audio, i won't have that problem
[10:34] <ali1234> one day audio might work properly on linux... but not today
[10:34] <popey> ali1234: pulse audio settings all right?
[10:34] <ali1234> yes pulseaudio works fine
[10:34] <ali1234> but your script uses alsa
[10:34] <ali1234> so it doesn't work
[10:34] <popey> in the pulse mixer thing, you have enabled it as stereo out and mono in?
[10:34] <popey> i still have to fiddle with pulse, even though that script uses alsa
[10:35] <popey> not sure why
[10:35] <popey> although I may have fiddled with alsamixer too at one point
[10:37] <ali1234> yeah i still get 9fps even recording to ramdisk
[10:37]  * bigcalm_ wheeps
[10:37] <ali1234> it's grabbing the x11 display that takes the time
[10:37] <bigcalm> weaps?
[10:38] <bigcalm> This SuperHub has it in for me
[10:38] <bigcalm> Just lost all reserved IP / MAC address associations
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> superhub?
[10:39] <popey> SUUUUUPER HUUUUUUB!
[10:39] <gord> popey, how did you record that minecraft vid, just with recordmydesktop?
[10:39] <popey> heh
[10:39] <popey> no
[10:39] <bigcalm> I really hate calling it that
[10:40] <gord> sorry, with rec<tab>
[10:40] <gord> do tell what you used :)
[10:40] <popey> gord: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615699/
[10:40] <oimon> bigcalm: anything with super in the name usually isn't
[10:40] <popey> I ssh in from another box, export DISPLAY=:0.0 then run that
[10:40] <czajkowski> http://www.simonaltair.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ps17_004_R.jpg  so cute :D
[10:40] <popey> that way you dont see the terminal on screen on the box I am recording
[10:41] <ali1234> um
[10:41] <oimon> czajkowski: why are his eyes red ?
[10:41] <ali1234> how do you get display access on ssh?
[10:41] <oimon> is that how penguins blush?
[10:41] <gord> popey, oh interesting, eat up lots of cpu?
[10:41] <popey> just works
[10:41] <popey> dunno really, dont watch it
[10:41] <popey> I guess it probably does
[10:41] <popey> I'll do one tonight showing performance whilst running
[10:41] <gord> ah huffyuv, that should be fine, big files
[10:41] <popey> yeah
[10:41] <popey> 3GB/min
[10:42] <popey> morning daubers !
[10:42] <daubers> lo o/
[10:42] <daubers> Having melty brain syndrome, so came to somewhere normally a bit drivley to let it rest :p
[10:43] <popey> gord: thats the best script I have come up with so far. Tried pretty much _everything_ over the years
[10:43] <gord> popey, yeah, why i asked you ;) pretty sure your the world expert at this point
[10:43] <oimon> dell customiser won't let me buy a PC - complains "the selection - Roxio Software not included is incompatible with Optical Devices" -
[10:44] <popey> lol
[10:44] <oimon> seem to be having problems buying things lately
[10:44] <dwatkins> gord: there's also vnc2flv
[10:45] <dwatkins> or was that vnc2swf...
[10:45] <dwatkins> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ - example here: http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmatrix/
[10:46] <dwatkins> I used low resolution because at the time my server was a 900 MHz machine ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> should I release my enhancements to xmountains, folks? http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmountains/ - I made the colours better, and am considering making the colours changeable, because the original ones were rather ugly
[10:47] <gord> popey, how would i find my hw number for alsa?
[10:47] <gord> oh wait no nevermind
[10:47] <gord> i just tried 1 and it worked :)
[10:47] <popey> gord: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:48] <popey> dwatkins: vnc2swf has _many_ problems
[10:48] <gord> oh wow that is very very smooth recording
[10:48] <dwatkins> popey: oh right, I don't remember as it was so long ago
[10:48] <popey> well, it records to swf for a starter ☺
[10:49] <popey> and vnc isn't composited desktop friendly these days
[10:49] <oimon> dwatkins: you don't like the green?
[10:49] <dwatkins> oimon: no, it looks like mud which would smell bad ;)
[10:49] <popey> awww pretty
[10:49] <popey> xmountains
[10:50] <oimon> xmountains crashses on my lucid
[10:50] <dwatkins> I guess xmountains would also need to be updated to work with Gnome and the fact Nautilus paints the desktop.
[10:50] <oimon> or exits when i click the window
[10:50] <dwatkins> I turned off that option to run it.
[10:50] <oimon> i actually prefer the default lurid green
[10:51] <oimon> reminds me of swizterland
[10:52] <oimon> i used to use vnc2swf on windows, then i discovered wink
[10:52] <dwatkins> hehe, fair enough - that was why I thought it might be best to add switches to allow people to specify colours, oimon.
[11:00] <daubers> popey: I had my laptop plugged into a capture card on a mac pro the other day. That recorded quite nicely (after mucking around to get the codecs right)
[11:01] <daubers> bit of a faff for home recording mind
[11:01] <popey> which capture card?
[11:01] <popey> I have an Epiphan VGA2USB
[11:01] <popey> which I wouldn't recommend
[11:03] <daubers> popey: Blackmagic ... decklink I think
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <daubers> Yeah, decklink studio
[11:04] <daubers> interestingly, does have linux drivers too
[11:04] <daubers> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklink/
[11:12]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski
[11:12]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 where were you yesterday eh
[11:16]  * DJones offers davmor2 a plaster
[11:16] <|Dreams|> anyone use ubuntu on laptop? whats battery life llike?
[11:17] <czajkowski> |Dreams|: depends on the laptop
[11:18] <webpigeon> |Dreams|: acceptable, (Toshiba saterlite and saterlite pro)
[11:19] <|Dreams|> acer aspire 6920g
[11:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: on holiday in the cotswolds :)
[11:19] <czajkowski> a place of cots
[11:19] <czajkowski> is that sleeping :)
[11:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah we mis-read it as clots thought youd be there :P
[11:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: on a plus side it's very pretty there :)
[11:22] <awilkins> |Dreams|, I find battery life to be a mite less than vanilla Windows on the same hardware, but after ICT loads all their corporate snoopware, it's about the same.
[11:22] <geek1d> Morning all
[11:22] <awilkins> And that's on an external USB SSD, so it's running more hardware
[11:23] <geek1d> Got my 11.04 installed last night trying to get used to Unity
[11:23] <|Dreams|> ok was thinking of either arch or fedora or ubuntu or windows 7
[11:23] <|Dreams|> i really like gnome 3 tho
[11:23] <davmor2> geek1d: congratulations
[11:24] <geek1d> davmor2:  thanks
[11:24] <davmor2> geek1d: it'll take a few days but once your used to it the old way somehow feels wrong
[11:24] <geek1d> I'm liking it so far first thoughts were no pleasant.
[11:25] <geek1d> davmor2: I'm getting around and used not having the cube! :(
[11:25] <|Dreams|> i dont think unity is for me but i love apt so i am cought in a muddle
[11:26] <geek1d> you guys have any nifty tricks shortcuts etc for unity
[11:28] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/612
[11:29] <popey> ^^^ geek1d
[11:29]  * dwatkins notes that unrar-free fails to unrar
[11:30] <jpds> dwatkins: It's not a winrar?
[11:30] <geek1d> awesome
[11:30] <geek1d> thanks
[11:30] <bigcalm> Who made it June? It shouldn't be June already!
[11:31] <dwatkins> jpds: I suspect it was created on a windows system, but 'unrar' is happily extracting it, whereas the unrar from 'unrar-free' failed very quickly to extract it.
[11:31]  * dwatkins pinches bigcalm and provides a friendly light punch on the arm in addition
[11:36]  * bigcalm feels 12 again
[11:42] <|Dreams|> what is on your laptops?
[11:42] <popey> my hands
[11:43] <popey> a sticker
[11:43] <popey> dust
[11:43] <|Dreams|> give it a clean then
[11:43] <|Dreams|> lol
[11:43] <popey> :D
[11:43] <|Dreams|> i meant os
[11:43] <popey> The one I am using right now runs Windows XP
[11:44] <|Dreams|> what would be your preference I have a acer aspire 6920g battery life is important but as long as there isnt much difference between windows half an hr i can live with I am happy to stay with linux
[11:44] <popey> !best
[11:44] <popey> :D
[11:44]  * awilkins finds that he just gets things done faster in Linux which compensates :-)
[11:44] <popey> personally I'd use 11.04
[11:45] <daubers> I find I get more done in OSX these days, largley as I've broken it more so that only my productivity stuff works :) (That and it's hidden away in a quiet corner of the flat)
[11:46] <|Dreams|> i love ubuntu but dont like the unity would have preferred gnome 3 - shell but since they decided on that i guess it is either fedora or arch i dont like yum but then arch needs configuring more sighzzz
[11:46] <popey> your logic doesnt work |Dreams|
[11:46] <popey> if you dont like unity, dont use it
[11:46] <popey> but that doesnt mean you have to switch to fedora or arch
[11:46] <popey> although, feel free to do that
[11:46] <|Dreams|> you cant use gnome 3 shell on ubuntut though
[11:46] <popey> you can't?
[11:46] <popey> I hear you can.
[11:46] <|Dreams|> i read guide that says it messes your system up
[11:46] <jpds> |Dreams|: sudo apt-get install gnome3-session
[11:47] <popey> brobostigon uses it on his
[11:47] <|Dreams|> http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/do-not-install-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu.html
[11:47] <|Dreams|> so i didnt try after readint his
[11:47]  * bigcalm installs it on his laptop to see what happens
[11:47] <popey> i have never seen that blog before
[11:48] <popey> note that is a month old
[11:48] <|Dreams|> ok
[11:48] <|Dreams|> maybe will give it a try then thanks for heads up
[11:48] <popey> let us know how you get on! :D
[11:48] <|Dreams|> ok will do byee
[11:55] <screen-x> <-- has a new job \o/ but its mostly deadrat /o\ which should I use to to familiarise myself; fedora, centos or other?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[11:56] <screen-x> thanks for that MartijnVdS ;-)
[11:56] <popey> we use Red Hat at work. I have never felt the need to use Centos/RedHat at home
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Glad to be of service :)
[11:56] <popey> they are alike enough
[11:56] <popey> as in, ubuntu is alike enough
[11:57] <screen-x> hmm
[11:58] <screen-x> maybe I'll just come across the differences and learn as I use it.
[11:58] <oimon> screen-x: install ubuntu but a VM of SL or Centos
[11:59] <screen-x> oimon: yeah, was going to use a VM for something rpm based :)
[11:59] <bigcalm> popey: Trying to install gnome3-session from the SC gives this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/615745/
[11:59] <oimon> the best thing to do is get hold of the RHCE training material
[12:00] <popey> bigcalm: did you enable the ppa?
[12:00] <oimon> and learn kickstart etc
[12:00] <screen-x> oimon: ££?
[12:00] <bigcalm> popey: I have no idea, what and how?
[12:00] <bigcalm> gnome-shell does not appear in the SC
[12:01] <oimon> screen-x: i think there's 600-page  books on amazon that are caleld passing your RHCE...can't remember what the best one is..however a colleague may have done the course and has the RH materials
[12:01] <popey> bigcalm: you're not doing what |Dreams| was doing, which is using the gnome 3 ppa
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ok
[12:02] <bigcalm> But it still stands that you can't install gnome3 without knowing how
[12:02] <bigcalm> Or, I can't :)
[12:02] <popey> nobody said you could
[12:02] <bigcalm> Can I, please?
[12:03] <bigcalm> Actually. I'll go and get some lunch instead :)
[12:19] <DJones> Can anybody access https://cybersecuritychallenge.org.uk/index.php or do you get a "Couldn't connect to mySQL server" error
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> maybe that's the challenge?
[12:20] <DJones> Only asking because its linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13615091? as looking for people who can "defend the nations networks armed only with a keyboard"
[12:20] <DJones> Maybe somebody should have defended the website to start with
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> it's probably overloaded because of that
[12:20] <DJones> True, didn't think of that
[12:21] <popey> almost certainly
[12:21] <popey> bbcdotted
[13:00] <DJones> Hadn't heard anything about this Mesh Computers went into administration yesterday & were bought out on the same day
[13:07]  * awilkins is finding team meetings mediated via conference call are even more boring than being there in person
[13:11] <daubers> DJones: Who?
[13:11] <DJones> daubers: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3283223/mesh-computers-in-administration-brand-sold-to-pc-peripherals/
[13:12] <DJones> The Mesh name seems to have been around for ever
[13:14]  * awilkins remembers actual paper manuals with "MESH" printed on them
[13:15] <oimon> WANG
[13:15] <oimon> best name ever
[13:16] <daubers> screen-x: Oooh... where you working?
[13:18] <Laney> M*E*S*H
[13:34] <popey> My Desktop PC is a Mesh one
[13:37] <JGJones_> I've got a Mesh desktop PC too
[13:37] <JGJones_> although it's dead.
[13:37] <JGJones_> deader than a dodo
[13:37] <JGJones_> and it's still under my desk many months later....
[13:38] <popey> mine has had everything except the mobo and cpu upgraded :D
[13:38] <popey> and the case
[13:38] <popey> planning to replace the fans too
[13:39] <popey> i should probably just spend the money on a new pc and transfer the bits
[13:40] <DJones> I upgraded my desktop at the weekend, the only bits of the original pc that was kept & reused was a couple of memory sticks :)
[13:41] <popey> if i buy a new mobo I'll need new ram wont I ☹
[13:41] <ging> popey: you could wait till usb3 takes off, or you not think that will be in the near future?
[13:41] <popey> I dont need uSB3
[13:42] <DJones> my upgrade was taking to aged machines and taking the best bits of each + various other spares to make one reasonable machine
[13:42] <ging> popey: no but if in 2 years time everyone else has it do you want to be needed to replace your motherboard again to not feel left out?
[13:42] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/desktop.html
[13:42] <popey> ging: no.
[13:42] <ali1234> usb2 is bad enough
[13:43] <popey> 4xDDR2 at 800MHz.
[13:43] <popey> slow and old I guess
[13:43] <ging> is usb 3 qicker than a standard pci bus?
[13:44] <popey> will i neither know nor care
[13:45] <popey> -will
[13:47] <ging> it's a lot quicker i just looked it up, even quicker than pci-e 1 so even that wouldnt do
[13:48] <ging> i wonder if popey was grumpy before i started talking
[13:48] <popey> I'm not grumpy at all.
[13:50] <daubers> \o/ finally finished the last UUPC
[13:50] <popey> ☺
[13:51] <JGJones_> I guess I'm just keeping mine...um...for the PSU, HDD, case and get a new mobo et al for it. Maybe.
[13:52] <JGJones_> I also have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4 Microcomputer on my desk too. This is one awesome machine, it have - read this and weep - DUAL floppy disk drive bays!
[13:52] <gord> i got an i7 a year or so ago, bit more. basically forced me to upgrade everything. new motherboard for the cpu, new gpu for the motherboard, new ram for the motherboard, new psu for the gpu and cpu. then about six months later it became apparent that i needed better cooling, my case was too small so new case and new cooling
[13:52] <gord> i kept the dvd drive i think, can't think of anything else
[13:53] <JGJones_> hdd?
[13:53] <gord> oh yeah i kept one of those around, but windows goes on that. got an ssd to help with building stuff with the i7 :) was bottlenecking on IO
[13:59] <gord> this motherboard has usb3 stuff, i keep it in usb2 mode, don't think i'll ever find usb3 compatible anythings
[14:01] <popey> yeah, it's "whole new pc" time if I upgrade this pc
[14:02] <popey> this is why I have been slowly incrementally upgrading
[14:02] <popey> the only thing I can do now is go to Q6600 CPU and add quieter cooling
[14:11] <oimon> in wonder how long until all our gear is usb3
[14:15] <popey> heh, not everything is USB2 yet
[14:15] <popey> so I doubt "all our gear" will ever go USB3
[14:19]  * daubers has a USB3 HDD caddy
[14:19] <daubers> was the only one I could find that would fit a tall 2.5 disk in
[14:32] <bigcalm> Just about to set up 3 RHE servers. Is there a standard place for putting vhost configs? In Debian based servers vhosts are each their own file.
[14:32] <bigcalm> I can add to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf if I _have_ to
[14:32] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just create a folder where you want the vhosts to go and use and include line in the httpd.conf
[14:33] <bigcalm> MooDoo: looks like the best route
[14:33] <MooDoo> that way you're not cluttering up httpd.conf
[14:37] <bigcalm> Include vhosts/*.conf
[14:37] <bigcalm> Oops, w/w
[14:38] <MooDoo> lol
[14:44] <popey> do you not have sites-available and sites-enabled?
[14:45] <kvarley> How do I change the permissions of /var/www so that mysql and the contents of my site can be changed via scripts
[14:46] <bigcalm> popey: no
[14:47] <bigcalm> kvarley: find out what user is used by the apache server and then either: 1) chown the files to that user. 2) add that user to a group and chown the files to that group
[14:48] <kvarley> bigcalm: Thank
[14:48] <kvarley> *s
[14:48] <bigcalm> Or, and you really should do this: chmod -R 777 .
[14:48] <bigcalm> Please don't do that :)
[14:48] <kvarley> I'd get hacked lol
[14:55] <shauno> sites-available is a debianism  (altho an entirely sane one once you get used to it)
[14:55] <popey> ah
[15:00]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at RackSpace
[15:01] <bigcalm> Do I have to enable port 80 in the firewall?
[15:01] <bigcalm> .9 can see .10 and .11 internally. But the public IP addresses do not take me to working web servers
[15:15] <bigcalm> HA!
[15:15] <bigcalm> I _did_ have to open port 80 in the firewall
[15:15] <gord> broke my ubuntu mug :( guess i have to use fedora now
[15:15] <bigcalm> Weird
[15:15] <bigcalm> I wonder if I'll be able to collect a mug every year
[15:16]  * popey hugs his oggcamp mug
[15:17] <bigcalm> Damn you cisco! I want to put a dynamic address into a rule
[15:17] <davmor2> gord: if it helps my Ubuntu mug is still going strong but I think I might treat myself to one of those new orange ones
[15:18] <bigcalm> popey: what are the colour of the mugs this year?
[15:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know what colour are you #badumtish
[15:20] <bigcalm> :P
[15:21] <bigcalm> I'm yellow with a touch of liver failure
[15:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: I couldn't resist sorry :D
[15:25] <popey> bigcalm: no idea ☺
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: it was asking for it :)
[15:35] <bigcalm> 100%   76MB 392.0KB/s   03:19
[15:35] <bigcalm> Thank you upgraded connection :)
[15:35] <bigcalm> This is why I need to upgrade to 50 or 100mb
[15:35]  * bigcalm _makes do_ with 30mb
[15:36] <popey> hah
[15:36]  * popey hugs 30
[15:52] <Laney> that ubuntu mouse looks rough
[15:52] <Laney> anyone tried it?
[15:54] <Laney> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=643
[15:54] <oimon> looks absolutely minging
[15:55] <czajkowski> yay for ice cream!
[15:56] <dogmatic69> that is going to show apple's multi touch mouse who is boss
[15:56] <bigcalm> It doesn't look as though it was designed for daily use
[15:57] <bigcalm> s/daily //
[15:58] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:58] <dogmatic69> took me a few seconds to parse s/daily //
[16:00] <oimon> my knuckles are itching just thinking about that mouse :(
[16:01] <dogmatic69> that mouse + http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=800
[16:01] <dogmatic69> $productivity++
[16:02] <oimon> wearing a skinny ladies tshirt because it was on sale
[16:02] <oimon> even though you're a man
[16:03] <oimon> actually...wearing this: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=776
[16:04] <dogmatic69> just saw that one... clear winner
[16:05]  * popey grrrs at teh windows key on that keyboard
[16:06] <BigRedS> hah
[16:06] <BigRedS> that is a bit dumb
[16:06] <popey> yes
[16:06] <popey> very
[16:06] <dogmatic69> s/bit/very
[16:06] <oimon> i wonder who buys the XXX large cycling bib shorts thing
[16:07] <Laney> for your tandem
[16:10] <BigRedS> I've always assumed those shorts were the result of someone at canonical wanting some nice shorts for free
[16:14] <DJones> BigRedS: I can think of one ubuntu member/developer thats involved in cycling
[16:18] <kazade> afternoon all
[16:20] <DJones> Hi kazade
[16:20] <oimon> my bro and bro in law are doing charity cycle ride london-brighton i wonder if canonical would sponsor them with the outfits :P
[16:21] <dogmatic69> quite a way
[16:22] <BigRedS> oimon: is that the bhf one?
[16:23] <oimon> BigRedS: i'm not sure - they are specifically raising funds for an orphanage in zimbabwe..thats a v good expression of "ubuntu"
[16:25] <DJones> oimon: A former rugby player I know who had to quit when he found out he had cancer is doing a lands end -> john O'groats cycle ride for charity plus hiking up snowdon, scafell pike and ben nevis during the bike ride
[16:26] <BigRedS> oimon: Ah, the bhf one's coming up at the end of this month
[16:26] <BigRedS> it's always the weekend nearest to the solstice
[16:27] <gord> huh so open office is in the hands of apache now - where does that leave libre office?
[16:29] <BigRedS> Hopefully thinking about a merger
[16:29] <BigRedS> I'd like the Libre Office drive/ideals/whatever and the OOo name
[16:31] <shauno> it'd be nice to keep OOo if they can.  the name has traction
[16:32] <shauno> (it's also nice to know oracle can be pushed into doing the right thing, if you kick hard enough)
[16:34] <awilkins> Heh, you'd think the shop who did the screen printing on that keyboard could have at least had the windows key symbol replaced with another Ubuntu logo
[16:35] <Laney> the right thing is withdrawing their support?
[16:36]  * awilkins has a beanie hat
[16:36] <awilkins> I like that the new mug is bigger.... I still use a mug that holds a pint for my tea though
[16:37] <Laney> http://open.spotify.com/track/7CxzcPcOFlnwNhpF4A72NK :-)
[16:41] <shauno> Laney: if their 'support' was holding it back, then yes I think letting go is the right thing to do
[16:41] <awilkins> It's not really doing the right thing though... it's more admitting defeat
[16:41] <awilkins> Just coincidentally happens to be the best thing for the project
[16:44] <oimon> is it possible to setup my own playlists in youtube?
[16:44] <popey> yes
[16:44] <oimon> :D
[16:44] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/view_all_playlists
[16:44] <oimon> cheap mans spotify
[16:49] <DJones> I wonder whether this is a result of MS buying Skype & google looking to persuade dev's to come up with something as an alternative https://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/blog
[17:06] <JGJones_> popey - yup...I was after a new keyboard and thought I would buy from Ubuntu store - but couldn't bring myself to buy an Ubuntu keyboard complete with a Windows logo. It's...wrong...a bit like buying Milk Tray, and opening it up to find a small collection of cat's poop.
[17:06] <bigcalm> Awww, cute
[17:08] <popey> lol
[17:39] <jacobw> is anyone following the curious case of missing bbc radio 'pips' ?
[17:40] <bigcalm> Where did they last hear them?
[17:40] <gord> that sounds like the worst professor layton game ever :(
[17:41] <davmor2> gord: I was thinking the same thing
[17:41] <jacobw> apparently they were discovered missing at the start of PM yesterday.
[17:41] <popey> a box crashed
[17:41]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2
[17:41] <popey> home time
[17:41] <jacobw> it seems to have deeply disurbed eddie mair :P
[17:41] <czajkowski> popey: toodle pip
[17:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: put me down you don't know where I've been
[17:42] <czajkowski> fair point
[17:42]  * czajkowski sprays detol over davmor2
[17:42] <jpds> Alright.
[17:44] <Myrtti> A sudden total failure in generating the pips was experienced on 31 May 2011 when the 17:00 signal did not occur. Both the main generator and the back-up system were rendered non-functional possibly due to problems with the power supply. The BBC elected to broadcast a "dignified silence" in their place at 19:00.[6] By 20:00 the same day, the pips were fixed.
[17:45] <Myrtti> one has to wonder
[17:45] <Myrtti> since Finnish national broadcaster has pips too, I wonder where they get theirs from
[17:46] <jacobw> presumably a more modern source than clever box in the basement.
[17:48] <davmor2> jacobw: there's nothing clever about it the block with the mic had laryngitis you'll note they came back at shift change time
[17:48] <jacobw> haha.
[17:48] <davmor2> bloke even
[17:51] <JGJones_> davmor2, nothing clever? Hell I'll say that they are clever if they managed to find a speaking block, or was they getting too attracted to their Companion Cube?
[17:52] <gord> could they just not get the announcer to beep at the microphone?
[17:54] <jacobw> they seems to think people still set their watch by the pips
[17:55] <jacobw> lol, eddie mair is now talking about 'icloud', i love it when bbc people are baffled by tech.
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> They should use https://twitter.com/#!/big_ben_clock
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: They got complaints from pigeon trainers when they changed/removed those pips here in .nl
[17:59] <shauno> I like the pips.  always remind me of my nan's house
[17:59] <jacobw> really?
[17:59] <jacobw> ha.
[18:07] <jacobw> pple went it alone, and while they've had their share of heartache, they eventually built the shining behemoth they are today.
[18:07] <jacobw> Microsoft never did that. *IBM* built their market, and Microsoft rode in on the coattails. (See the history of PC-DOS vs MS-DOS.) They certainly took advantage, but *THEY* did not build the market, IBM did.
[18:07] <jacobw> As far as I can tell, they've NEVER built ANY market. They've always come in as a Johnny-Come-Lately. The 900 lb gorilla J-C-L, but never-the-less, not the innovator.
[18:07] <jacobw> In the past few years it seems their entire business plan could be summed up simply as "Whatever Google is doing, plus Windows and Office".
[18:08] <jacobw> right.
[18:08] <jacobw> I've no idea how that pasted :|
[18:09] <jacobw> I highlighted it whilst reading it, which put it on the clipboard.. which somehow pasted in to the konsole window..
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Go go RBS!
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Can't book a ticket on Eurostar  because they're down
[18:18] <Azelphur> hmm, fun web dev question. I want javascript events to fire on the clients web browser, when the server receives a log message (via UDP), so I assume I would be using long polling javascript to poll the server, and maybe some python to watch the UDP logs
[18:18] <Azelphur> but what's the most efficient way for the python listening to the UDP logs, to tell the web server to send something to the clients long polling page
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could use WebSockets
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's HTML5-only, but it does what you want
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1253683/websocket-for-html5
[18:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: does that involve the user listening to the UDP logs? that's bad
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, that involves the user connecting (over TCP) back to the webserver
[18:20] <Azelphur> oh, I see, so I could do the whole thing in python
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then you can run something on the server to capture the UDP packets and push them back to the client
[18:20] <Azelphur> luckily the entire audience is 100% going to be using one web browser
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> (so the client does something like "tail -f")
[18:20] <Azelphur> so this is either gonna work or not :)
[18:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Six Months Of Rocking Ubuntu Events - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/six-months-of-rocking-ubuntu-events/
[18:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yay, the browser supports websocket :D
[18:34] <BigRedS> I'm trying to do a    for i in {0..10}; do.... but where the 0..10 is passable as an argument to a script
[18:34] <BigRedS> but I can't wor out how to, anyone got any ideas?
[18:35] <BigRedS> I want this to Do The Right Thing, basically: http://pastebin.com/0gV8GrCM
[18:57] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:01] <BigRedS> g'morning
[19:03] <bigcalm> Hi AlanBell
[19:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: are you knowledgable with the websockets protocol?
[19:32] <Azelphur> or anyone? :P
[19:32] <danfish> Azelphur: it's a fairly new topic, but this chap (who will be at oggcamp I believe may help
[19:33] <danfish> http://chemicaloliver.net/category/programming/
[19:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:33] <Azelphur> I have a guy who knows this stuff, he's just not online :(
[19:33] <danfish> he's mostly looking at websocket, node.js and mqtt, but the principles are there and it works
[19:33] <Azelphur> :)
[19:34] <Azelphur> I'm not doing too terribly, I've got the client connecting to the server, but I can't get the client to send any messages to the server or listen to any messages from the server
[19:34] <Azelphur> I think I'm doing something to trigger the security cutoff \o/
[19:34] <danfish> are you using node.js?
[19:35] <Azelphur> no
[19:35] <Azelphur> python as the server, javascript as the client :P
[19:36] <danfish> I tried messing around with pywebsockets, but gave up in the end, and went for node.js - path of least resistance :)
[19:37] <Azelphur> danfish: interesting, would that allow me to be able to use sockets for non-websockets stuff too though?
[19:37] <Azelphur> because I need websockets to be talking to non-websockets things.
[19:38] <danfish> Azelphur: should do - there's even a websocket-flash widget/plugin for non-websockets browsers - can't remember the link.
[19:39] <danfish> node.js can handle a number of protocols
[19:39] <Azelphur> danfish: yea, that's one advantage of the environment I'm working in, there will only ever be one browser to worry about
[19:39] <Azelphur> I'm embedding html inside a game, so it'll always be one browser :)
[19:40] <Azelphur> might use that if I can't get the python to work
[19:40] <danfish> good - I think it should work well - it's "in development" but on a small scale it's proving very stable
[19:41] <danfish> right, dinners is served! laters
[19:41] <Azelphur> yea, this isn't so much small scale
[19:41] <Azelphur> XD
[19:45] <daubers> Evening
[19:59] <ali1234> websockets :(
[19:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[20:03] <gord> the windows 7 erm, start bar thing sure is buggy if you put it on the left hand side, guess i'll just leave it at the bottom and spend my life going to the top left corner in windows expecting something to happen
[20:16] <popey> Evening all
[20:17] <daubers> o/
[20:17] <mrwarmth> Evening popey
[20:17] <jpds> popey: Good evening.
[20:17] <brobostigon> evening popey
[21:35] <gord> http://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linux interesting, we ship more mozilla code than gnome code
[21:43] <Laney> why only consider main?
[21:43] <Laney> bananas
[21:45] <czajkowski> ▞▀▖ ▌   ▞▀▖ ▌ ▌ ▞▀▖
[21:45] <czajkowski> ▙▄▌ ▌   ▌ ▌ ▙▄▌ ▙▄▌
[21:45] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌ ▌   ▌ ▌ ▌ ▌ ▌ ▌
[21:45] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘ ▀▀▘ ▝▀  ▘ ▘ ▘ ▘
[21:58] <gord> Laney, have you seen the random crap thats in uni/multiverse? would skew the statistics to the point of uselessness
[21:59] <Laney> plenty of random crap in main too
[21:59] <Laney> better to consider the default install or something
[22:03] <gord> well main is stuff thats officially supported, so that makes sense
[22:05] <Laney> "actually packaged by Ubuntu" not really sure he knows what he's on about


[02:42] <BrianBlaze420> in my ufw /etc/ufw/before.rules I have an error trying to do *nat
[02:43] <BrianBlaze420> im dumb <3
[03:28] <Andrew> I'm currently running conjure-up openstack and it has failed due to a machine failing deployment in maas - is there a way to re run it?
[08:51] <Tonius> Hi all! I use ubuntu-server 14.04.5 with latest updates and without monitor. I have installed icewm and x11vnc for control one GUI application. When I try change screen resolution i see this http://paste.ubuntu.com/23311872/ and this in log file http://paste.ubuntu.com/23311896/
[08:51] <Tonius> sorry for my broken english, it is not my first language
[08:52] <Tonius> on other server, i have different motherboard, and command xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1360x768 works fine, bout here i have`t VGA1 =((
[08:56] <Tonius> can any bode help me ?
[08:57] <Tonius> *body =)
[08:58] <OerHeks> you need the virtual framebuffer i think, xvfb http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xvfb
[09:04] <minx> getting 550 permisino denined on my ftp client
[09:04] <minx> i set up a new user with the home directory as var/html/www
[09:04] <minx> Have been trying to fix this issue for a few days now :[
[12:51] <sonu_nk> Can we divide CPU usage and memory allocation to a specific task. If, I want to assign CPU usage to mail server 10% limited then it is possible ?
[12:58] <Sling> sonu_nk: cgroups
[12:58] <Sling> see https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/cgroups.html
[13:16] <BrianBlaze420> good morning
[13:16] <BrianBlaze420> I am trying to make it so my vpn connectiion can connect to my LAN
[13:42] <BrianBlaze420> I figure I need to add the route
[13:43] <BrianBlaze420> so I try sudo route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev enp2s0
[13:44] <BrianBlaze420> but this is no good :(
[13:57] <hz01> ...
[13:57] <BrianBlaze420> I know this is so noob and I know I am close lol
[13:57] <BrianBlaze420> here is whats up
[13:57] <BrianBlaze420> http://pastebin.com/8L9pkmuA
[13:59] <StathisA> are you the vpn client?
[14:00] <BrianBlaze420> that is the server side
[14:00] <BrianBlaze420> when I connect I can ping the server
[14:00] <BrianBlaze420> but not the lan
[14:00] <BrianBlaze420> doing the add route I put breaks everything
[14:55] <BrianBlaze420> it was my nat rule... <3
[15:29] <coreycb> jamespage, zul, ddellav: newton release email and blog are sent/published.  great job!
[15:29] <zul> coreycb: i saw congrats...
[15:30] <zul> coreycb: you still need to catch up on the number of releases though
[15:30] <ddellav> excellent
[15:43] <zul> coreycb: oh good the magnum fix made it in
[15:43] <coreycb> zul, just in time
[16:02] <coreycb> designate is uploaded for liberty, looks like ceilometer needs rebasing
[16:02] <coreycb> ddellav, ^
[16:14] <aybuke> Hi everyone :) I have one question about HP smart array b320i. I have 1 server and I want to install ubuntu 16.04 for this server. (server has 8 disk and configured RAID 1+0) But when I install, I take an error Disk Detect part. Do you have any suggestion??
[16:16] <aybuke> And I tried this steps but nothing changed. http://h20564.www2.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c04439186
[16:18] <tarpman> aybuke: please show the actual error (pastebin) instead of just saying "an error"
[16:26] <aybuke> tarpman: actually I dont take an error output But during installation, must be: ubuntu see 2 logical volume, but disk detect pass directly and I see this screen. (http://imgur.com/a/zmf42)
[16:29] <ktechmidas> out of interest would the ubuntu release be killing my ability to pull LXD hosts?
[16:35] <coreycb> ddellav, heat's uploaded
[16:42] <coreycb> ddellav, ceilometer uploaded
[16:43] <ddellav> coreycb ack
[17:12] <coreycb> ddellav, ironic and manila uploaded for liberty
[17:12] <ddellav> coreycb thank you
[17:13] <coreycb> ddellav, what's left?
[17:16] <ddellav> coreycb so far looks like i have diverged upstreams from the neutron and neutron-*'s but those might be from you pushing the delta yourself. And sahara doesn't appear to have an upstream branch
[17:17] <coreycb> ddellav, 7.1.2 neutrons were already pushed
[17:17] <ddellav> coreycb ok then yea, that should be it.  One sec
[17:20] <ddellav> coreycb sahara is already uploaded as well
[17:24] <ddellav> coreycb nova is good for review
[17:25] <coreycb> ddellav, uploaded nova.  just trove left?
[17:25] <ddellav> coreycb yup, checking now
[17:27] <Smurphy> Any one knows how I can disable kernel-tracing?
[17:27] <Smurphy> getting constantly:
[17:27] <Smurphy> Oct 13 19:26:58 sol-gate snmpd[1300]: Cannot statfs /sys/kernel/debug/tracing: Permission denied
[17:28] <ddellav> coreycb ok trove good to go
[17:28] <Smurphy> Only thing that works for a while, is unmount tracefs - but it gets remounted, and I have no idea why -> 16.04 lts
[18:04] <coreycb> ddellav, ok trove uploaded and I also uploaded neutron(-vpnaas) 7.2.0.
[19:09] <rattking> Hey folks I am having a problem with some new servers I just got that are suppose to be identical to some I already have. However on the new hardware when the kernel does "fb: conflicting fb hw usage astdrmfb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver" I stop getting any screen updates and the screen stays frozen. both systems are running the 3.13 kernel on precise and both have the astdrmfb device. I am
[19:09] <rattking> not sure what changed and why the new ones are failing. any ideas?
[19:11] <rattking> using nomodeset get the console working again at a lower resolution, however I am still confused about why this is happening and would prefer not do that. also using xenial the graphics do work fine without nomodeset, but I am not quite ready to upgrade my environment.
[19:37] <JustSomeRandomNu> Hey all, wondering if I can pick someones brain about landscape. Trying to just setup quickstart for a demo on 5-6 systems and having troubles getting the clients to talk to the server. I think it's ssl related.
[19:37] <JustSomeRandomNu> port's 443/80 are open, followed the RDS quickstart and copied the cert over to the clients. tcpdump shows the connections coming in on the LDS server but the clients don't think they can communicate
[19:37] <JustSomeRandomNu> Also tried setting up a CA real quick, issuing a cert for the server, copied it over, distributed the ca, ran dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates, installed the ca, tried again, no luck there either
[19:37] <JustSomeRandomNu> is landscape quickstart broken?
[19:40] <JustSomeRandomNu> s/RDS/LDS
[19:44] <coreycb> ddellav, I uploaded a few new mitaka point releases for nova/neutron*
[19:47] <JustSomeRandomNu> nm, think I just got it to work with my self signed ca. Thanks anyways. It was my own derpy fault for not restarting networking after adding the proper search domain.
[19:48] <coreycb> JustSomeRandomNu, cool.. was just trying to find someone to help you
[19:48] <JustSomeRandomNu> coreycb: no worries, thanks!
[19:49] <coreycb> JustSomeRandomNu, good luck on the demo :)
[19:49] <JustSomeRandomNu> Thanks! I like landscape so far and the RBAC features are nice. Plus it looks like it'll make package management a breeze.
[19:50] <JustSomeRandomNu> If the powers that be agree then I've dive into the full setup
[19:50] <JustSomeRandomNu> ok, off to play with it. have a great day guys and gals!
[19:52] <coreycb> beisner, when you get a moment all the delta in liberty-staging is ready to promote to -proposed: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/liberty_versions.html
[20:10] <tomreyn> rattking: use HWE kernels
[20:10] <tomreyn> !hwe | rattking
[20:11] <rattking> tomreyn: thanks for the reply! I am using the 3.13 HWE kernel on precise at the moment.
[20:11] <tomreyn> rattking: then use a newer one ;)
[20:12] <rattking> and the oddest thing is that I cant find any differnce between the hardware. they are identical in lshw, dmidecode, fbset -i
[20:13] <tomreyn> rattking: compare the pci ids in: lspci -knnv
[20:13] <tomreyn> but it could just be firmware differences.
[20:14] <beisner> hi coreycb - ok liberty-staging and proposed are all in sync now.
[20:14] <rattking> pciid is the same (1a03:2000). yeah it must be
[20:14] <coreycb> beisner, awesomethanks
[20:15] <beisner> yw coreycb
[20:17] <tomreyn> rattking: and, oh, i realize now that tursty's kernel is the newest you can get on precise using HWE.
[20:17] <rattking> tomreyn: thanks for the tips. I will probably go with nomodeset since this is a server and I am never on the actual console unless something is really wrong
[20:17] <tomreyn> rattking: well you shoudl really upgrade soon, 6 months left before you're EOL
[20:18] <rattking> heh yeah I am working on that :)
[20:19]  * rattking doesnt want to be in the business of backporting my own security patches
[20:20] <halvors> Network stack stopped working, systemd is core-dumping.
[20:20] <halvors> Anyone else experiencing this? This is not supposed to happend on a production enviroment running the LTS!
[20:22] <tomreyn> halvors: fully patched?
[20:23] <tomreyn> tainted?
[20:24] <halvors> tomreyn: Last patch broke everything.
[20:24] <halvors> http://pastebin.com/F4j09q2H
[20:25] <halvors> tomreyn: Seems to be related to VTI interfaces handles by systemd, the systemd-networkd daemon core dumps, and crashed the whole network stack.
[20:29] <tomreyn> hmm file a bug report then i guess, using apport / ubuntu-bug.
[20:30] <tomreyn> is the VTI driver stack open source? i have no rexperience with it.
[20:30] <whiskey_soda> hey guys, is there a good channel for plain debian servers?
[20:31] <sarnold> whiskey_soda: there's #debian on irc.oftc.net but it's >700 folks, so it can be a bit dfficult to have conversations..
[20:32] <tomreyn> there's also #debian here on freenode
[20:33] <whiskey_soda> gotcha.  #debian seems to be inactive here. I could just be bad at irc though.
[20:44] <halvors> tomreyn: Seems that they've backported systemd-231 to xenial. But they didn't care to take the network code from 231 so there is a lot of nullpointerexceptions there now.
[20:53] <rbasak> halvors: please file a bug.
[21:04] <halvors> rbasak: I don't think i will. Don't think the maintainers will care to fix it.
[21:04] <halvors> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/systemd/systemd_229-4ubuntu11/changelog
[21:04] <halvors> Here it says systemd-networkd is not officially supported.
[21:10] <rbasak> halvors: that changelog message gives me the impression that the plan is to make networkd work. I don't know the answer, but I know if that if you don't bother to report the bug, there's definitely no chance of getting it fixed.
[21:10] <rbasak> OTOH, it looks like this stuff is being actively worked on, so getting in touch may turn out to be productive. Up to you.
[21:11] <rbasak> whiskey_soda: you want OFTC for Debian, which is a different network from Freenode.
[21:12] <whiskey_soda> rbasak: thanks, will do
[23:58] <serenity-network> join #ubuntu-server


[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:56] <Alexfrench> hello there is a new plasma out
[15:56] <Alexfrench> is there an update for kubuntu ??
[16:01] <tomreyn> !latest
[16:03] <Alexfrench> ok thanks
[17:23] <mparillo> Alexfrench: But if you want to try it out, it should be available in the daily build.
[17:26] <mparillo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[18:22] <IrcsomeBot1> musquodoboit was added by: musquodoboit
[19:02] <Alexfrench> thanks


[03:03] <Brian___> edubuntu is good for collage :-p
[03:43] <ti-grrr> i loaded edubuntu today on a server that used to be a k12ltsp. i have noticed that it seems alot slower than k12ltsp. are there any tips?
[04:30] <sbalneav> Evening all
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[08:57] <sbalneav> night all
[12:46] <Nubae> hello
[12:47] <Nubae> I'm trying to enable usb disks and pendrives on a ltsp system (on the terminals) using a script I found at the ubuntu wiki... but it says its for 4.2, and doesnt seem to work
[12:48] <Nubae> is there a easy way to do this?
[12:56] <Nubae> anyone?
[02:43] <Nubae> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed. <-- I get this error with dbus, and I cannot seem to fix it... anyone run into this problem?
[02:43] <Nubae> this is in a chrooted ltsp env.
[02:46] <aalib> hey dude
[02:47] <Nubae> hi aalib
[02:47] <aalib> i need help!!
[02:47] <aalib> big help!
[02:47] <Nubae> well me too... dont think anyone is around...
[02:47] <Nubae> tell me your problem and I'll tell you mine :-)
[02:48] <aalib> hehe
[02:48] <Nubae> (02:42:58 PM) Nubae: invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed. <-- I get this error with dbus, and I cannot seem to fix it... anyone run into this problem?
[02:48] <Nubae> (02:43:26 PM) Nubae: this is in a chrooted ltsp env.
[02:48] <aalib> got problems with my ati drivers
[02:48] <Nubae> hah, well there I can help you
[02:48] <Nubae> just went through that
[02:48] <Nubae> with ltsp?
[02:48] <aalib> itsp???
[02:49] <Nubae> LTSP
[02:49] <Nubae> terminal server
[02:49] <aalib> btw im N00b itseems
[02:49] <Nubae> ahh... ok
[02:49] <Nubae> so, normal edubuntu install then?
[02:49] <aalib> jst ubuntu 7.04
[02:49] <Nubae> why u here on edubuntu then?
[02:50] <Nubae> anyway... u need the fglrx driver to install ati on ubuntu in most cases
[02:51] <aalib> hw do i do dat
[02:51] <Nubae> well, can u get to X at all?
[02:52] <aalib> nopes?
[02:52] <aalib> X?
[02:53] <Nubae> hehe, ok, best bet is to check one of the many how tos in ubuntuforums.org
[02:53] <aalib> cheking
[02:54] <Nubae> gotta run
[04:33] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:34] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, I added a check to ltsp-update-image to check and see if proc's mounted.
[06:11] <dv310p3r> Hello
[06:11] <dv310p3r> I am looking for some help with edubuntu
[06:12] <dv310p3r> Anyone?
[06:28] <sbalneav> dv310p3r: What's your problem?
[06:47] <dv310p3r> I have installed Edubuntu after running the Live CD first, and it doesn't seem to be the same thing. The live CD was perfect for my kids, but the actual install is void of all the apps that the Live CD had.
[06:47] <dv310p3r> I want to run something that the kids can use without having to log in.
[06:48] <dv310p3r> Right now, i am installing the Add On cd, but everytime I try to add something, it has a conflict of some sort or another.
[06:54] <dv310p3r> Anyone there?
[07:04] <dv310p3r> Bueller?
[07:13] <sbalneav> dv310p3r: You need to install the second cd
[07:13] <sbalneav> edubuntu got so big, it wouldn't fit all on one cd, so all the educational apps got put on the second cd.
[07:13] <Nuba1> hey sbalneav... working on a weekend :-)
[07:14] <sbalneav> Hello Nuba1
[07:14] <Nuba1> we talked the other day... I have a massive issue with hald and dbus
[07:14] <Nuba1> they're broken in the chroot environment
[07:15] <Nuba1> seems circular problem cause I cant remove or install stuff to a big extent without getting back to the same point
[07:15] <sbalneav> Well, we've done no work on hald and dbus in the chroot.  It doesn't surprise me it doesn't work.
[07:16] <Nuba1> oh
[07:16] <sbalneav> In fact, one of the major things that holds us up is that dbus isn't network aware.
[07:16] <Nuba1> oh and how would I connect a usb drive then?
[07:16] <Nuba1> pen drive
[07:16] <sbalneav> The way we do it now.
[07:16] <sbalneav> pen drives work fine in edubuntu.
[07:17] <Nuba1> hmmm... well thats what got me into this mess, trying to get a pendrive on the local system to work
[07:18] <sbalneav> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
[07:18] <Nuba1> ok... I went through a similar wiki... but I'll do this one too
[07:19] <Nuba1> I've probably messed up my local apt-get now with this hald and dbus issue... can I remove them somehow and get back to the default
[07:20] <sbalneav> You, of course, made a backup copy of your chroot before you started playing with it?
[07:20] <Nuba1> well... ummm
[07:20] <Nuba1> god... I was gonna make a backup when everything was working properly 8-)
[07:21] <Nuba1> so... install a copy of edubuntu on another disk and copy over chroot?
[07:21] <sbalneav> mv /opt/ltsp/ /opt/ltsp.mucked_up
[07:22] <sbalneav> ltsp-build-client
[07:22] <Nuba1> ok, thanks a lot
[07:22] <sbalneav> And, once you've got a clean chroot created...
[07:23] <Nuba1> back it up :-)
[07:23] <sbalneav> a quick cp -r /opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp.pristine saves a lot of waiting.
[07:23] <Nuba1> yeah can see the benefit in that now :-/
[07:24] <Nuba1> so, XGL is not supported at all under LTSP?
[07:24] <sbalneav> No, trying to do fancy graphics over the wire just isn't a good idea.
[07:25] <sbalneav> Well, off to the beach for the day.
[07:25] <Amaranth> large textures over the wire == ouch
[07:25] <Nuba1> enjoy, thanks a lot
[07:25] <sbalneav> I'll be afk 'till tonght