[00:01] <RoadRunner> on  that note, one other issue I am observing, is a video "stripe" that comes and goes esp under higher quality  video playback, is that also a "known issue/fact"?
[00:01] <Edisto> whats the command for checking opencl version?
[00:03] <Two_Dogs> now for my issue, i have had a ubuntu server like setup on 32bit for aprox 8yrs, i think its time to go 64bit, having a home partition that has been seeing 32bit processes for long time now should not make a diff from the user side if i move to 64bit, yes?
[00:05] <RoadRunner> lapaga: SlidingHorn: Two_Dogs: so pavucontrol is installed: 3.0-4
[00:06] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner: was or is now?
[00:06] <RoadRunner> Two_Dogs: was all along - I did nothing
[00:07] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner: bring it up, look for profile specific to amd/radeon output
[00:07] <Two_Dogs> hdmi:3 is always a good choice
[00:08] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner: bring it up, look for profile in configuration panel specific to amd/radeon output
[00:16] <RoadRunner> Two_Dogs: just found a pavucontrol.ini any idea where to look for more?
[00:17] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner: no, configuration tab of pavucontrol is all gui, no cli
[00:18] <RoadRunner> Two_Dogs: not sure where that would be...
[00:18] <lapaga> applications?
[00:21] <lapaga> RoadRunner, you might have two...sound and pulseaudio look at both
[00:23] <RoadRunner_> Two Dogs: ahh, guys, does pavu stand for Pulse Audio Volume Control or is that something else/extra?
[00:24] <lapaga> hold mouse over one or the other and click...not a big deal to check
[00:27] <RoadRunner_> ok, I am having an embarasingly dumb moment... I've been there all along, just didn't realize there were more tabs hidden...  Found Config tab and the HDMI device...  checking now
[00:35] <RoadRunner_> Two_Dogs: the best profile is 5.1 surroung?
[00:35] <RoadRunner_> *surround
[00:35] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner_: you have the hardware for 5.1 sound?
[00:36] <RoadRunner_> vid cards feeds hdmi to the surround box which has 5.1
[00:36] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner_: cool, then yeah, sounds like an excellent choice
[00:39] <RoadRunner_> Two_Dogs: in Output Devices tab, clicking the "set as fallback" button will preserve the setting or is it lost whenever tv is turned off?
[00:41] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner_: fallback is last resort setting, if the tv is gonna be an on/off prospect then its not much of a fallback, my opinion
[00:42] <Two_Dogs> RoadRunner_: its all test and trial now, plink with it
[00:45] <RoadRunner_> Two_Dogs: by that you mean that 18.04 is still a trial version?
[00:45] <Two_Dogs> no
[00:57] <RoadRunner_> Two_Dogs: after tv was turned off and back on the sound worked correctly but the "set as fallback" button got deselected; what is this button for then?
[01:04] <Budgii> Does anyone here have Xubuntu? The only hold back I have from switching is the windows key does not open the 'start menu'
[01:04] <Budgii> Is there a way around this?
[01:06] <xamithan> You mean the super key ?
[01:06] <SlidingHorn> Budgii: pretty sure this has been pointed out to you before:  Menu > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Application Shortcuts.  Fine xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
[01:07] <SlidingHorn> s/fine/find
[01:07] <SlidingHorn> (by default, it's Ctrl+Escape
[01:11] <Budgii> SlidingHorn, actually no haha. we talked about my OS and you suggested Xubuntu :)
[01:12] <Budgii> Also, thanks! that worked! I'll probably install it tomorrow. D:
[01:12] <Budgii> :D
[01:13] <xamithan> Btw that is the first search link on google.  You could use that next time.
[02:03] <mitic_> Hi all, i would like to expand the root Partition. In windows I already decreased a Partition, so the unallocated space is before the root Partition. How can I extend it? Tnx! Xubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[02:06] <leftyfb> mitic_: https://www.howtogeek.com/114503/how-to-resize-your-ubuntu-partitions/
[02:07] <leftyfb> mitic_: found by searching for "ubuntu resize partition" on google
[02:07] <leftyfb> every result on the first page answers your question
[02:09] <mitic_> leftyfb, tnx, but i was not sure how to resize it if the free space is before the root partition. gn
[02:12] <macro0> o
[02:37] <auctus> how do i turn off the color emoji
[02:38] <auctus> i dont like high-color graphics in a black and white document
[02:38] <leftyfb> in what application?
[02:38] <leftyfb> and what version of ubuntu?
[02:39] <auctus> 18.04, every application, its like the system font or something, i thought there'd be a setting somewhere
[02:39] <auctus> its in the terminals, in firefox, everywhere.
[02:39] <leftyfb> https://www.howtogeek.com/350029/how-to-uninstall-emoji-on-ubuntu/
[02:40] <leftyfb> found on google by searching for "ubuntu 18.04 disable emoji"
[02:41] <auctus> i tried "ubuntu disable color emoji" and found nothing -- all the results are how to *enable* instead of *disable* for some reason, maybe the filter bubble
[02:43] <auctus> when you remove the color emoji via that method, it changes to some old font that is missing half the emoji, hmm. I'll figure out how to fix that, too
[02:43] <auctus> thanks leftyfb
[02:43] <leftyfb> when you uninstall the package?
[02:45] <auctus> leftyfb: yeah, whatever font replaces noto-color-emoji doesnt have the majority of recent emoji; i tried apt install fonts-noto but that didnt fix it, maybe i have to set that as the emoji font somewhere or something
[02:45] <Draegon> I have read so many pages, I'm getting confused. I need to use a shell script to set 9 xsetwacom commands, either at bootup, or just before running Krita. I've seen examples of what the Shell Script should look like, but no idea where to put the script file.
[02:46] <Draegon> Also, how, where, or when to call the shell script.
[02:47] <leftyfb> Draegon: try /etc/rc.local
[02:47] <auctus> wheni go to the characters thing, it says "not included in cantarell", i guess cantarell is the font set somewhere, cant find where though, it looks like 'ubuntu' is the font being used everywhere
[02:47] <leftyfb> Draegon: you know "krita" isn't supported here correct?
[02:48] <Two_Dogs> leftyfb: why would krita not be supported like any other app?
[02:49] <leftyfb> sorry about that, I googled it and saw on their page only an appimage for it. I incorrectly assumed it wasn't in the repos but it is
[02:49] <Draegon> I have spoken in #Krita, here, and in #DIGImend to try and get my tablet working. With the greateful help of Two_Dogs, have it working, but each place tried to set the commands on login don't work.
[02:49] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you create a file in ~/bin with some name you remember, myscripts.sh for example
[02:51] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the first line of the file has the shabang thing and the lines below have all those commands you previously shared
[02:51] <Draegon> OK.
[02:51] <Draegon> Will that run automatically on bootup/login, or will I need to make a reference to it somewhere else?
[02:52] <Two_Dogs> Draegon shabang script linux https://git.io/vppiJ
[02:52] <Draegon> Thanks.
[02:52] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you will need to via file manager set the file as 'executable' for the local user, no getting fancy with sudo
[02:53] <Draegon> ok, that's easier.
[02:53] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: and lastly you would add the script as an executable from your desktops start-up apps
[02:54] <leftyfb> Draegon: I would edit the .desktop file for krita, look at what command it's using to start krita, add that command to the end of your script. Run the script, verify it all works, then replace the command in the desktop file with the full path and name of your script
[02:54] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: since you previously ran the commands from terminal after going into session without sudo i would imagine it would just work
[02:55] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: that should make avail where ever those commands do to the whole session regardless of app opened
[02:56] <leftyfb> Two_Dogs: oh, the "commands" are just ENV's?
[02:56] <Two_Dogs> leftyfb: i guess they are sort of, but ran from some xsetsomething command line
[02:57] <Two_Dogs> leftyfb: i am not really all that smart about tablet tweaks
[02:57] <Draegon> I understand the make executable part, not sure about the add script as executable from desktops start-up apps
[02:58] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: your desktop has a config area for apps you want started at login, typical name for them is 'start-up apps'
[02:59] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: in that config area(gui) you add the script by name as something to also start on login
[02:59] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: this is now desktop 101
[02:59] <Two_Dogs> i have no idea what desktop you got Draegon
[03:00] <Draegon> Krita is ran from a self contained .appimage file
[03:00] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: this has nothing to do with krita
[03:01] <leftyfb> Draegon: why are you using the appimage? It's part of the ubuntu repositories
[03:01] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: krita is an app, krita app needs some settings on a tablet to function correctly, those settings are loaded via a script you have configured to auto start via the start-up apps config of your desktop
[03:02] <leftyfb> Two_Dogs: he didn't configure to auto start
[03:02] <leftyfb> he doesn't know how
[03:02] <Two_Dogs> leftyfb: perhaps not yet, but we will get there
[03:02] <Draegon> Sorry, I have dyslexia & autism, this is taking me time to figure out.
[03:02] <Draegon> leftyfb: Krita in Ubuntu Software is older than the AppImage version
[03:03] <leftyfb> :/
[03:03] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: focus then
[03:05] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: krita version issues are not part of my convo with you thus far, that is an install from some repo/ppa where krita version what ever you needed
[03:17] <eraserpencil> with regards to bluetooth on 16.04, is there an alternative bluetooth manager? be it GUI or CLI tools
[03:18] <Two_Dogs> eraserpencil: blueman?
[03:19] <eraserpencil> will try that out! thanks!
[03:19] <eraserpencil> is the default one bluez or gnome bluetooth
[03:25] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: I'm working through your instructions above 1 by 1, so far I have this, does this look right for what I need?
[03:25] <Draegon> https://gist.github.com/CelticDraegon/c3a542f44b50cf85040ea697848730af
[03:27] <Draegon> I cannot find a .desktop, start-up apps, either as a folder, or file.
[03:33] <Draegon> I do have a ~/.local/share ~/.config/ just cannot find any startup, bootup. The Desktop folder, ~/Desktop has no files in it. I am running Unity Desktop.
[03:59] <alan1> Trying to connect to a smb share. nmblookup returns the correct address. pinging the IP works. pinging the hostname and nslookup don't. What might the problem be?
[04:10] <li> ???
[04:11] <Guest29173> someone here
[04:11] <Guest29173> ?
[04:11] <kumool> Guest29173, change your nick
[04:11] <guiverc_d> Guest29173, No  (sorry couldn't help myself) - if you look there are 1000s of people here, if you have a support question please just ask it (ideally a single line, & be patient in waiting for a response)
[04:12] <kumool> Guest29173, theres always people here, and if you're patient they might answer whatever you ask
[04:15] <eraserpencil> On a server, why is it advisable to have a user for each service? For eg, a user for postgresql, a user for irc bouncing, a user for next cloud etc etc
[04:15] <alan1> I can ping a LAN device by IP address but not by hostname. nmblookup {hostname} returns the device's IP. What's wrong?
[04:17] <SaltyMcUrist> Hey guys. I think that Ubuntu has incorrectly identified my GPU (or lack there of). Searching online with my specific laptop renders Intel HD Graphics 4400 but this is the output from the terminal: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TPMbRb8Cck/
[04:17] <SaltyMcUrist> Any ideas?
[04:18] <SaltyMcUrist> The reason I'm even poking around with the drivers/hardware is that when I try to play certain games they crash immediately.
[04:18] <SaltyMcUrist> Even games that don't require remotely intensive graphics processing.
[04:18] <kumool> ?
[04:18] <kumool> you mean the external gpu?
[04:19] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: GPU is probably the wrong term. I mean the integrated graphics. I don't see the word "Haskell" anywhere in the specifications of my laptop but it is the only thing that appears when I query the kernel.
[04:19] <kumool> whats your laptop
[04:20] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/product/inspiron-15-7547-laptop/manuals
[04:20] <kumool> is it brand new?
[04:20] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: There is a PDF on that site that lists all technical specifications.
[04:20] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: No.
[04:21] <kumool> i don't wanna download anything
[04:21] <kumool> i see, it is intel hd graphics
[04:21] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: That's fair. The exact term on the PDF is "Intel HD Graphics 4400"
[04:22] <baumy> running ubuntu xenial, where would i modify the command that starts Xorg? i've been looking at /etc/lightdm and nothing seems to stick
[04:22] <baumy> i can see that `/usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -dpi 144 :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch` is what's running but don't know where that's setup
[04:22] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: But, as you can see from here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TPMbRb8Cck/ It states something along the lines of "haswell"
[04:25] <kumool> yeah.. this sounds more like a linux kernel problem than an ubuntu one
[04:25] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: Darn. If I were to install the "correct" driver, does it automatically replace the old one?
[04:25] <kumool> apparently setpci is the program you want apparently, never used it before so i'll try googling or you can try too
[04:26] <kumool> it wont hurt
[04:26] <kumool> the drivers are just installed, if the kernel wants to load it it will
[04:27] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: yeap, put that file in ~/bin
[04:27] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: Where do I look at which driver is loaded?
[04:28] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: yeap, put that file in ~/bin , via file manager set the execute enable/flag
[04:29] <kumool> baumy, startx is usually the one that starts Xorg
[04:32] <baumy> i am trying to pass '-ardelay 200 -arinterval 14' to Xorg and can't find where to do it
[04:33] <kumool> SaltyMcUrist, lsmod
[04:34] <baumy> on an older ubuntu i had that in ~/.xserverrc, doesn't seem to work anymore
[04:35] <baumy> think i found it here https://superuser.com/questions/935801/whenever-i-plug-in-another-keyboard-key-repeating-rate-is-reset-to-some-value
[04:37] <baumy> looks like ubuntu doesn't use startx, just lets lightdm start the X server
[04:41] <kumool> SaltyMcUrist, modinfo drm
[04:42] <kumool> woops not thath
[04:43] <baumy> /usr/sbin/lightdm --show-config shows lightdm reading my config but it isn't getting run =|
[04:43] <baumy> i'm becoming convinced ubuntu is just buggy
[04:44] <kumool> I will be leaving for another OS soon ;)
[04:44] <baumy> i wish i could, work mandates ubuntu or something not-linux, which would be even worse
[04:45] <kumool> i am leaving for something not linux
[04:45] <kumool> its not that bad
[04:50] <alan1> I can ping a LAN device by IP address but not by hostname. nmblookup {hostname} returns the device's IP correctly. What's wrong?
[04:50] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: After doing some poking around I think that I'm wrong about which driver is loaded..
[04:50] <SaltyMcUrist> kumool: Meaning it is correct, and the issue I'm having is due to something else.
[04:51] <Two_Dogs> kumool: giving up?
[04:51] <kumool> Two_Dogs, ?
[04:51] <Two_Dogs> kumool: on linux?
[04:52] <Two_Dogs> kumool: why?
[04:52] <kumool> oh absolutely, i'm only using it because i had an old disc to save this laptop
[04:54] <Two_Dogs> kumool: yet here you are
[04:54] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: File done. Took a while as couldn't get execute to work, sorted now. File is created/edited/execute permission added.
[04:55] <kumool> Two_Dogs, mmm putting it shortly... i dislike its methodology?
[04:55] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you are persistent :)
[04:55] <Draegon> LOL, I want this to work.
[04:55] <leftyfb> kumool: again, then why are you here?
[04:55] <Draegon> I'm like a rottweiler with a bone.
[04:55] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: one sec, brb
[04:56] <kumool> just an off the cuff comment, i do help when i can
[04:56] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the mexicans call it 'ganas', kudos so, wait one sec
[04:59] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: Ok.
[05:00] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the script what did you call it? be specific and where did you put it? yeah, we are doing this from scratch :)
[05:01] <Two_Dogs> ganas :)
[05:01] <Draegon> Two_Dogs: OK. mytablet.sc and it's location is ~/bin/
[05:02] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: sc?
[05:02] <SaltyMcUrist> Trying to play The Binding of Isaac, crashes immediately. Running it from the command line reveals https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2KRrY7P3YR/ Any ideas?
[05:02] <Two_Dogs> fine
[05:02] <Draegon> Oops, just a typo, it is actually mytablet.sh
[05:03] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> ls ~/bin/*.sh | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:03] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: lets try to be specific and accurate, its linux, unforgiving'
[05:04] <cfhowlett> !steam | steam problem more than an ubuntu problem it seems, SaltyMcUrist
[05:04] <Two_Dogs> for the lurkers, how do i check his file for executable flag?
[05:05] <Two_Dogs> via cli?
[05:05] <Two_Dogs> i dolphin
[05:05] <guiverc> Two_Dogs, stat ?
[05:05] <Two_Dogs> guiverc: no idea, how?
[05:06] <Two_Dogs> he aint proved the thing exists yet
[05:06] <Two_Dogs> i want to see the thing first
[05:06] <guiverc> (i haven't been watching; i just saw your last line - check file is executable - i use stat to read stats for file)  stat wanted-file
[05:07] <Two_Dogs> guiverc: hes got a txt file, needs to execute as script(bash)
[05:07] <Two_Dogs> god i love linux :)
[05:08] <Two_Dogs> guiverc: this is all about making some tablet talk to krita with all the bells ans whistles
[05:08] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ????
[05:09] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> ls ~/bin/*.sh | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:09] <guiverc> sorry I don't understand...
[05:09] <Two_Dogs> guiverc: hes got a txt file that should be sh/bash executable
[05:09] <Draegon> http://termbin.com/9jk5 and the location is /bin/ not ~/bin/
[05:10] <guiverc> Two_Dogs, so chmod (change file mods +x)
[05:10] <baumy> it seems like ubuntu simply does not read or respect /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[05:10] <baumy> does anybody know why?
[05:10] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: why is that file on system side, was there a specific reason?
[05:10] <alan1> I can ping a LAN device by IP address but not by hostname. nmblookup {hostname} returns the device's IP correctly. What's wrong?
[05:10] <Two_Dogs> guiverc: thnks
[05:11] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: meaning i expected the file in your userspace
[05:12] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: if there was some wiki reason to run the script as root/system then ok
[05:13] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you want as much as possible to not allow root/system to be involved
[05:13] <AKKI07011992> hey
[05:13] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ?
[05:14] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: i dont know is fine
[05:14] <Draegon> In the ~/ there is no /bin/ location. There is a .config I don't know if that helps?
[05:14] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: create folder ~/bin
[05:15] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: place file in ~/bin without involving 'sudo/root/su'
[05:16] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the thing is you dont want the tablet talking  root/system if possible, and you said you ran the commands from terminal without sudo/su , yes?
[05:17] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the thing is you dont want the tablet talking  root/system if possible, and you said you ran the commands from terminal without sudo/su , yes?
[05:17] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: thAT is a yes/no question
[05:17] <Draegon> Done, file & folder created. Yes
[05:18] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: in ~/bin/ yes?
[05:18] <Draegon> Yes
[05:18] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> ls ~/bin/*.sh | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:18] <Draegon> Execute Permissions granted
[05:18] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: yes
[05:18] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you did not know linux would be this much fun/?
[05:19] <Draegon> It's a LOT of fun. ;-)
[05:19] <Draegon> http://termbin.com/o6t2
[05:20] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> cat ~/bin/mytablet.sh | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:22] <Draegon> http://termbin.com/jush
[05:22] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: good
[05:23] <Draegon> Do you want me to remove the one from /bin/ ?
[05:23] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: you could
[05:26] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ok, via file-manager did you set the file in ~/bin/your-script as executable?
[05:26] <Two_Dogs> the right answer is 'yes'
[05:26] <Draegon> Done
[05:27] <Draegon> Yes
[05:27] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: good,
[05:28] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: what desktop? i am on https://git.io/vpp1B so things get confusing
[05:29] <Ascavasaion> I have a user account on my server that I use for outsiders to use it without sudo privileges.  I have a sudo account and was wondering how I could view that password as I have forgotten it.  changing it would mean having to change it b on all computers and media players that use it.
[05:29] <Two_Dogs> KDE Plasma <--me Draegon , and you are using what?
[05:29] <Draegon> Unity Desktop, and Kernel is 4. something,
[05:30] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: unity has some start up app config
[05:30] <Draegon> kernel 4.4.0-124-generic and amd 64-bit
[05:30] <Two_Dogs> i can google it
[05:30] <Draegon> ok
[05:30] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: nevermind the kernel
[05:31] <Two_Dogs> b0t how to start-up app in unity https://git.io/vpp12
[05:31] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: ^^
[05:32] <Draegon> checking link, 1 min
[05:32] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: my god it seems unity is a really horrible desktop
[05:33] <Draegon> It is a bit chunky
[05:33] <Two_Dogs> chunky
[05:33] <Two_Dogs> yeah]
[05:33] <Draegon> I've heard that 18.04 is supposed to have dropped Unity in favour of going back to Gnome.
[05:34] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: indeed
[05:34] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: dont make me learn unity
[05:34] <Two_Dogs> b0t how to start app in unity https://git.io/vpp1o
[05:35] <cfhowlett> unity has been dropped from official ubuntu.   no need to use it or learn it.
[05:35] <Draegon> LOL. All I need is a temporary fix, as soon as I can afford to build my new computer, I'll try out Ubuntu 18.04 or if its' out by then, 18.04.1
[05:36] <cfhowlett> fix?  sudo apt install xfce4       logout, select xfce session, login.
[05:36] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the fix is 'your script needs to auto start via unity on login
[05:36] <Draegon> Ok
[05:37] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: cfhowlett had a good thought, a real desktop
[05:37] <cfhowlett> or lxde or gnome or plasma ...
[05:38] <Draegon> cfhowlett: I have some programs already installed. Would I need to reinstall or ? to use the programs if I install another desktop?
[05:38] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: i am trying to help, i do want you to get over this, i am clueless to 'unity' though'
[05:38] <Two_Dogs> where in unity does one add to auto-start?
[05:38] <cfhowlett> Draegon, my suggestion installs an alternate desktop environment only.  all apps reamin
[05:38] <cfhowlett> *remain*
[05:38] <Draegon> I've never tried any other desktop other than the default Unity that came with Ubuntu.
[05:39] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: what cfhowlett said
[05:39] <Draegon> OK, any preference to either of those you just mentioned ?
[05:39] <cfhowlett> Draegon, you were'nt born knowing unity.  easy enough to figure things out
[05:39] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: mate?
[05:39] <Draegon> ok.
[05:40] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: dont forget, unity is not all the desktop out there
[05:40] <cfhowlett> !desktop | Draegon
[05:41] <Two_Dogs> cinnamon is really nice Draegon
[05:41] <Draegon> Yeah. I'm look at google a min for the diff versions u mentioned
[05:41] <Two_Dogs> and it has 'start up aPPS'
[05:43] <Two_Dogs> the hardest thing about linux is getting set on a desktop, you have to get used to desktop, know it,  like inside out, then you go from there
[05:43] <Draegon> Is it possible to run multiple desktops ?
[05:44] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: indeed is
[05:44] <Draegon> I like the Cinnamon, and XFCE looks nice
[05:44] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: worse case? see multiple apps in menu
[05:44] <cfhowlett> Y not BOTH!?
[05:44] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: cool, get on cinnamon
[05:44] <guiverc> Draegon, you can have multiple loaded/installed, but only a single DEsktop can be running at the same time (i have ubuntu, with xfce, mate installed - xfce running) - you can use apps of multiple DEs at the same time though
[05:45] <cfhowlett> Draegon, bit of advice: install the DE NOT the entire *buntu-desktop
[05:46] <Draegon> cfhowlett: How do I do that then, say for the moment for cinnamon?
[05:46] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: install 'cinnamon' the desktop, i am not sure what the meta package is in ubuntu, i use it in opensuse, a very nice desktop
[05:47] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> sudo aptitude install -sy cinnamon | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:47] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: a simulation, i know what to expect in cinn deps wise
[05:48] <cfhowlett> drop the sudo
[05:48] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> aptitude install -sy cinnamon | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[05:48] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: do last shown here
[05:48] <Draegon> ok.
[05:48] <Two_Dogs> brb
[05:49] <Draegon> Sorry, was checking out some booty desktop wallapers that were shown in Cinnamon desktop search, lol.
[05:51] <Draegon> says not currently installed, aptitude, so just do the install of that & then do the last command again?
[05:51] <cfhowlett> apt install -sy cinnamon should also fly
[05:53] <mas_bro_2> hallo
[05:53] <Draegon> Ok, installed
[05:54] <cfhowlett> errrr, not if you executed the ***simualation***
[05:54] <cfhowlett> i.e. install -s ...
[05:54] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: the point of the sausage making is to get you into a common known desktop
[05:55] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: like cinnamon
[05:56] <Two_Dogs> and for added bonus Draegon you got cfhowlett giving a 'hoot'
[05:56] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: this is the time to heed
[05:56] <Draegon> OK, that's cool.
[05:56]  * cfhowlett things "whoot!" not "hoot!"
[05:57] <Two_Dogs> yeah, whoot
[05:57] <Two_Dogs> mis mistake
[05:58] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: he needs some script to run so his krita has the foo to play nice
[05:58] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: yoy best have the right krita
[05:58] <cfhowlett> OK, but I understood his unity DE was unstable?
[05:59] <Two_Dogs> i dont know unit
[05:59] <Two_Dogs> unity
[05:59] <Two_Dogs> what so ever
[05:59] <Draegon> I ran that previous line, sudo with -s instead of -sy so does that mean it's now installed?
[05:59] <cfhowlett> that's where I entered the thread and suggested he install an alternate, functional D#
[05:59] <Two_Dogs> if he can do a auto-start of script then all is good
[06:00] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: why sudo?
[06:00] <cfhowlett> Draegon, no. -s means simulated.  in fact the first line of of output should tell you that
[06:00] <cfhowlett> Draegon, line 1          https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p87fkrmgnB/
[06:00] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: dont fucking 'sudo' unless you see it spelled out
[06:00] <Draegon> ok.
[06:01] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: excuse me
[06:01] <cfhowlett> sir, I need you to back away from the keyboard and take a breath ...
[06:01] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: your script is gonna run in userspace, sudo wont be playing
[06:01] <Two_Dogs> aye
[06:01] <Two_Dogs> 10-10
[06:02] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: go!
[06:03] <cfhowlett> Draegon, does your output show any errors?
[06:03] <Draegon> Ok, I just scrolled back, that "Note:" is not in the output
[06:04] <Draegon> I don't think so, gonna check
[06:04] <cfhowlett> apt install -sy cinnamon | pastebinit
[06:04] <Two_Dogs> i prefer aptitude
[06:04] <Two_Dogs> its a more muscular apt
[06:04] <cfhowlett> not installed by default.  trying to keep it simple here
[06:05] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: cool
[06:05] <Two_Dogs> does apt resolve?
[06:05] <Draegon> No errors that I can see. just about to run that next command
[06:06] <cfhowlett> Draegon, and paste the url it returns!
[06:06] <Two_Dogs> i found aptitude resolving issue 'by mistake', i saw it working, i aint used anything else since in apt/deb
[06:06] <kumool> leftyfb, but you are correct, will not join again :)
[06:06] <Draegon> no go
[06:07] <cfhowlett> Draegon, details?
[06:07] <Draegon> apt install -sy cinnamon | pastebinit
[06:07] <Draegon> apt install -sy cinnamon | pastebinit
[06:07] <cfhowlett> what error?
[06:07] <Draegon> The program 'pastebinit' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[06:07] <Draegon> sudo apt install pastebinit
[06:07] <Draegon> That is all it said
[06:07] <cfhowlett> grr.  OK, try it with nc
[06:07] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: let me, pls
[06:07] <cfhowlett> go for it!
[06:08]  * cfhowlett goes into lurk mode
[06:08] <Flannel> Can we please not recommend -y, even with -s?
[06:08] <Two_Dogs> Draegon: copy/paste & execute via terminal> aptitude install -sy cinnamon | nc termbin.com 9999 ## share link output here
[06:08] <Two_Dogs> into 10-10
[06:09] <Two_Dogs> ubuntu makes trouble shoot difficult
[06:09] <Draegon> you want me to install aptitude, not currently installed?
[06:09] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: -sy is like a default 'wha does it take to do what ever'
[06:10] <Two_Dogs> you can of course be specific
[06:10] <Flannel> Draegon: Replace that with apt instead of aptitude
[06:10] <Two_Dogs> with ppa i dont know how you guys do it on ubuntu, its difficult
[06:11] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: yes, but you're running the risk of people starting to use -y once doing things for real, which is just playing with fire.
[06:11] <Draegon> http://termbin.com/ahj9
[06:12] <Draegon> It also had a warning just before outputting the termbin URL, "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts."
[06:13] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i dont use sudo/su, i dont ask for it and i ask for a sim, there are the smart guys, they gewt to reboot and reinstall, worse case, and i dont make it the worse case, i am playing with a OG. thats fun too
[06:14] <Two_Dogs> they know stuff!!
[06:14] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Just please stop using it, thanks.
[06:14] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: using which process?
[06:15] <Two_Dogs> i want to be ok here
[06:15] <Two_Dogs> thnks
[06:15] <cfhowlett> don't recommend -y       as it may cause newer users to create more problems than they solve.
[06:16] <Flannel> Draegon: I'm not sure why we were having you simulate that, but it looks like you're not going to run into any issues installing it.
[06:16] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: you need -y in the aptitude -s thing, you cant see the damm options
[06:17] <cfhowlett> ah.  OK.  didn't know that as I use apt
[06:17] <Two_Dogs> without seeing the options in a trouble shoot, how do you know to resolve a aptitude issue?
[06:18] <Two_Dogs> i dont apt, its a script, odd aint it?
[06:18] <Two_Dogs> go forward and aptitude
[06:19] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Just use apt-get (or apt, if you're so inclined) instead, and problem solved, no need for -y.
[06:19] <Two_Dogs> xkuse the loudness
[06:19] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i aint gonna do apt-get, i aptidude on deb
[06:20] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I'm happy for you.  But most people don't have aptitude installed, so you're probably going to have issues with that.
[06:21] <Two_Dogs> i feel a certain cozynes about it
[06:21] <Flannel> Draegon: Sorry, was there a specific concern about you installing cinnamon successfully?
[06:21] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: ubuntu dont aptitude by default?
[06:22] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Correct.  Hasn't in a few years.
[06:22] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i have creeds, got the ubuntu server doing dnsmasq for me since 2008?
[06:22] <Draegon> Not sure, I just followed the lines, which were obviously simulation
[06:23] <Flannel> Draegon: Alright.  So, sounds like you're all set to do `sudo apt-get install cinnamon`
[06:23] <Two_Dogs> that should count for something, btw, thats 24/7
[06:23] <Two_Dogs> yeah fucker, 24/7 doing the dnsmasq, ubuntu 32bit server
[06:23] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: No one implied you don't know what you're talking about.  But aptitude is going to get weird looks when commands don't work, and including -y in your commands is running a risk of people using it for real.
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> sorry
[06:24] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Also, please mind the language.
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: ok
[06:24] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: aptitude was what i saw working the best with apt
[06:25] <Two_Dogs> i like aptitude
[06:25] <Two_Dogs> it can do anything any of the others can
[06:25] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: You can continue to use it, but if you try and help people here through it's use, you're going to cause plenty of confusion (and hurt your credibility) when the commands you're asking them to follow along with give them errors.
[06:26] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: apt <- works?
[06:26] <Draegon> I can't find any errors in the output, and seems to have installed nicely.
[06:26] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: For the same reason we don't walk people through vim when we want them to edit a file with a terminal.  We use nano, because it's much less foreign (even if less powerful).
[06:27] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i dont vim
[06:27] <Two_Dogs> i dont vi
[06:27] <cfhowlett> Draegon, great!  now: logout, click on the gear icon, select cinnamon session and login
[06:27] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: It was just an example.
[06:27] <Two_Dogs> fucken heathen method
[06:27] <Flannel> cfhowlett: thanks.
[06:27] <cfhowlett> !langauge | Two_Dogs
[06:27] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Language.
[06:27] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: sorry
[06:28] <Two_Dogs> i am wanting to be liked
[06:28] <Two_Dogs> regardless of mints opinion
[06:29] <Draegon> Ok, back shortly. P.S. I am grateful for you all helping me, I know I've been annoying.
[06:29] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: The best way to support people here is down the "well-trodden path" for the majority of topics.  We don't set a root password, etc, etc. Because it makes them less likely to have non-standard configurations which can cause confusion later (like the next time they come asking for help).
[06:29] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: if the display service goes down does networking service not start?
[06:30] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I'm not sure what you're referring to.
[06:30] <meta-434> anyone good with disk troubleshooting here? I just want to nuke this drive but running in to so many problems
[06:31] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: got it, default is good, i mean if the display dies, does networking die too, you know via systemd
[06:32] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I don't use systemd, so I have no idea.  Sorry.
[06:33] <Two_Dogs> i never saw the wall between networking service on ubuntu(deb) and display service
[06:33] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: ubuntu does use systemd
[06:33] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: you need to know their method
[06:34] <Two_Dogs> foss demands it
[06:34] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: When a topic comes up that I know nothing about, I just stay out of it.
[06:35] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: aye, i dont do crypto disk
[06:35] <Two_Dogs> patitition i mean
[06:36] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i want to help
[06:36] <Two_Dogs> i saw the mint method
[06:36] <guiverc> meta-434, re; trouble with a drive; check its SMART (self monitor... or `smartctl`) data first is my suggestion...  (sorry i'm no expert though)
[06:36] <Two_Dogs> i am a desktop user
[06:36] <cfhowlett> Two_Dogs, why do you keep mentioning  mint in the ubuntu channel?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> !mint
[06:37] <Two_Dogs> cfhowlett: my bad, i stop now
[06:37] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I'm not sure where this is meandering to, but I think you should probably take this to #ubuntu-offtopic.  #ubuntu for support (which, I think you may have a support question), but then #ubuntu-offtopic for everything else
[06:37] <ducasse> meta-434: better just ask your question, see if someone can help
[06:37] <meta-434> fair enough
[06:37] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: ok, aptitude is bad
[06:38] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Not bad, just not default.
[06:38] <Two_Dogs> ok
[06:38] <Two_Dogs> so not bad?
[06:38] <Two_Dogs> i refuse to apt
[06:39] <Two_Dogs> its a fucking script
[06:39] <Two_Dogs> sorry
[06:39] <Two_Dogs> community service
[06:39] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: use apt-get, not apt.  That's not a script, you feel better?
[06:39] <cfhowlett> trolling the profanity after mulitple warnings?  Troll susupected.  added to /ignore
[06:39] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i wont use apt-getr
[06:40] <Two_Dogs> s/tr/t
[06:40] <Two_Dogs> its evil
[06:40] <Beef_wgtn> Two_Dogs: why you getting so hot about apt-get?
[06:41] <Beef_wgtn> I always found it easy!
[06:41] <Two_Dogs> Beef_wgtn: i am not, i  dont understand apt-get
[06:41] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Please take this to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:41] <Two_Dogs> i dont use it
[06:41] <Two_Dogs> its like windows, i dont win10
[06:42] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: aye
[06:42] <Beef_wgtn> lol
[06:42] <DrManhattan> Crack rocks?
[06:44] <meta-434> how do i deal with zero-length partition issues when trying to make a disk functional again?
[06:47] <Flannel> meta-434: If you just blow away all the partitions and start from scratch, whatever was on there before shouldn't cause problems.
[06:48] <meta-434> like just write zeros over everything?
[06:59] <NOOBuntu> I GOT IT INSTALLED!!! in case anyone recognizes my nick from the last couple days
[06:59] <Two_Dogs> NOOBuntu: cool
[07:00] <NOOBuntu> which channel should I use for general linux OS questions?
[07:00] <NOOBuntu> Two_Dogs SO cool. I was having the worst time.
[07:00] <Two_Dogs> NOOBuntu: wait one
[07:01] <NOOBuntu> k
[07:01] <Two_Dogs> NOOBuntu: stop doing that
[07:01] <NOOBuntu> Having the worst time?
[07:01] <NOOBuntu> All done.
[07:01] <Two_Dogs> i would hope not
[07:02] <Two_Dogs> i am here to be useful
[07:02] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: Please stop.
[07:02] <NOOBuntu> Two_Dogs is u a bot?
[07:02] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: aye, now
[07:02] <Two_Dogs> NOOBuntu: no
[07:02] <NOOBuntu> k
[07:02] <Two_Dogs> NOOBuntu: here in the PNW
[07:03] <NOOBuntu> PNW! word up.
[07:04] <Two_Dogs> i am at the the Mckenzie Willamette river junction :)
[07:04] <ikonia> can we please try to keep to support discussion
[07:04] <NOOBuntu> Where is that, relative to PTown?
[07:04] <Two_Dogs> south side
[07:04] <Flannel> Two_Dogs, NOOBuntu: #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussion, thanks.
[07:04] <NOOBuntu> okay. I'm looking for a channel wherein I can find info for using Virtual Box
[07:05] <Draegon> Finally back.
[07:05] <Two_Dogs> ikonia: my bad, i thought i was in -chat
[07:05] <NOOBuntu> Flannel sorry. am NEEBius
[07:05] <NOOBuntu> *NOOBius
[07:06] <NOOBuntu> I think I found it, and I'll take me leave.
[07:06] <NOOBuntu> Peace!
[07:09] <Two_Dogs> i am a whilling servant
[07:10] <Two_Dogs> i wanted to be helpful to the .deb community, i mean this with all my heart. you need to move to rpm, dont matter which
[07:11] <Two_Dogs> +1 ^^
[07:11] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I think you need to come back when you're sober.  And also, when you do, start in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[07:11] <Two_Dogs> Flannel: i thought i was in offtopic, it is my bad
[07:12] <Flannel> Two_Dogs: I'm going to go ahead and mute you here for a short while, so you can have a better chance of not mixing up the channels for the third time.
[07:14] <paralle21_> will snap and flatpak repalce debian packages?
[07:14] <ikonia> nope
[07:14] <paralle21_> Why so?
[07:14] <ikonia> why not
[07:15] <paralle21_> Seems fitting to use one package manager across all distributions
[07:15] <ikonia> not going to happen, and not really a discussion for #ubuntu
[07:15] <ikonia> maybe try one of the offtopic or generic linux channels
[07:16] <Flannel> paralle21_: #ubuntu-offtopic would be one such place
[07:16] <paralle21_> Will do
[07:17] <Draegon> Cinnamon is installed and logged in. What do I do now?
[07:17] <Flannel> Draegon: use cinnamon? hah
[07:17] <ikonia> Draegon: in what context ?
[07:17] <Draegon> In relation to the issue earlier
[07:18] <ikonia> what issue ?
[07:18] <sauvin> Question about repository sections, specifically, "universe". What involvement does Canonical have with it?
[07:18] <Draegon> Trying to get the xsetwacom commands to load automatically, rather than manually have to enter them in terminal, every time I login
[07:20] <ikonia> sauvin: some members contribute to it, at the same time as members of the public
[07:20] <guiverc> sauvin, universe is community supported, which does include some Canonical, but most are doing it on their own times
[07:21] <Flannel> sauvin: Universe is community maintained by the MOTU (and others). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU  Some of the MOTU (and others) may also be employed by Canonical
[07:21] <Draegon> In Unity, I had tried in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-tablet.conf and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-wacom.conf did nothing on login, which was the reason trying to create & set a shell script
[07:22] <ducasse> Draegon: put them in ~/.xsessionrc, it will be sourced upon login
[07:26] <sauvin> Hrm... what that means is that Canonical in the guise of some of its employees could be petitioned to upgrade or update something that's in Universe?
[07:27] <ikonia> sauvin: any MOTU can update it
[07:27] <ikonia> not canonical maintained
[07:27] <ikonia> think of it is EPEL
[07:27] <cfhowlett> epel??
[07:28] <ikonia> sorry, I thought sauvin was a RHEL user, but I was wrong, trying to give him something to relate to
[07:28] <ikonia> but my memory failed
[07:28] <sauvin> Nope. I've been Ubuntu/Debian since... um... 2005 or so?
[07:29] <ikonia> sauvin: my fault, totally miss-remembered
[07:29] <ikonia> sauvin: do you want to get a package updated ?
[07:30] <sauvin> I'm currently running Kubuntu 16.04 and had a problem with hexchat 2.10.mumble suddenly deciding to dump core. The latest version of hexchat is 2.14.mumble, and I've run it in snaps and flatpaks, but those approaches have some fulsome limitations. I've also run it in VMs, but doing so long-term is an untenable approach.
[07:31] <ikonia> sauvin: so basically you'd like to get some alternative versions into universe ?
[07:31] <Silmarilion> Hi, I was wondering does Ubuntu update for the current release it's packages for bugfixes if a fix already exists in upstream or we need to wait for the next release?
[07:31] <ikonia> Silmarilion: depends on the bug / package
[07:31] <sauvin> Alternative, backport, something.
[07:31] <ikonia> sauvin: ah the more challanging but professional response
[07:32] <Silmarilion> I see, tnx
[07:32] <sauvin> You don't need to be told WHY. I wound up *building* Hexchat to /usr/local, but that means it's on ME to track changes and rebuild if/when needed.
[07:33] <ikonia> sauvin: yeah, so getting that into a managed repo seems logical
[07:33] <ikonia> sauvin: I wasn't fishing for why,
[07:34] <sauvin> Didn't figure you were, just stating it for the sake of the Joe Sixpacks who might be listening in.
[07:35] <ikonia> I wonder if multiverse would be a better starting point
[07:35] <ikonia> then promote it into universe and get some maintainers involved
[07:36] <sauvin> Hi. I'm Joe Sixpack. Before a few minutes ago, I knew *nothing* about what the sections were. If a newer Hexchat appears in Multiverse when I use my favourite package manager front end (Synaptic, in my personal case), then all my unwashed brethren would have immediate access to a Hexchat that actually WORKS.
[07:39] <cfhowlett> you could more immediately upload your fixed hexchat to a snap, could you not?
[07:40] <ikonia> sauvin: if it was me, I'd look at getting this into multiverse to get it moving, then get more people involved/raise the bar and get it into universe
[07:40] <ikonia> however I have a memory that universe won't hold conflicting packages to core
[07:40] <ikonia> I don't remember the details on that though, it maybe just naming, it maybe actual package components
[07:41] <ikonia> eg: the name hexchat-community maybe ok, or it may not as hexchat already exists in main
[07:41] <ikonia> maybe worth looking into that
[07:41] <sauvin> Hexchat, the one that's blowing up on me, is in universe.
[07:41] <ikonia> ahhh
[07:42] <ikonia> if it's already in universe, engage and push an upgrade
[07:42] <sauvin> How?
[07:43] <ikonia> do you want someone to do it for you, or do you want to be part of it
[07:43] <ikonia> (as you're building it yourself)
[07:44] <sauvin> I can build for AMD64 only, and I know absolutely nothing about packaging.
[07:48] <ikonia> sauvin: ok, so I'd just engage with the MOTU community to get a version bump
[07:48] <ikonia> supply as much info as possible
[07:48] <sauvin> I'd share the experience I'm having, yes.
[07:49]  * sauvin pokes at the supplied link
[07:51] <ikonia> most of the motu guys are really helpful and welcoming
[07:51] <ikonia> I'd be dissapointed if you didn't get an enthusiastic response
[07:51] <server_> hi
[07:51] <ali1234> can i use the android-studio snap with the intellij snap?
[07:52] <server_> i dont know
[07:54] <ali1234> oh wait, i forgot that android-studio *is* intellij
[07:54] <ali1234> never mind then :)
[07:58] <u0_a397> ghugy
[08:00] <u0_a397> yhhyuuuuuuuyyyyyy
[08:00] <u0_a397> run
[08:00] <u0_a397>
[08:02] <u0_a397> has remove #ubuntu
[08:03] <u0_a397> tyftufyg
[08:03] <u0_a397> you
[08:03] <cfhowlett> u0_a397, do you have an ubuntu support question?  ask it.
[08:04] <Wowo> x
[08:43] <zzero1> If I were to execute the pipe viewer e.x. $ pv file.txt I would get some output from the command from in the terminal. How can I redirect that terminal output to a file ?
[08:43] <cfhowlett> command > filename.txt
[08:44] <blip99> hi all.  I upgrade 16.04 to 17.10 (yes it's a valid upgrade path).  I can login via tty, but not graphically.  After entering password and pressing enter, I just get a black screen and return to login manager
[08:44] <blip99> any ideas to try/
[08:50] <gpap> Hello everybody
[08:51] <gpap> I have a question related to gimp
[08:51] <cfhowlett> ask.  there is a #gimp channel IIRC
[08:52] <gpap> cfhowlett: Thank you for responding but has to do about installation in ubuntu
[08:54] <gpap> I want to add the gimp 2.10 snap into Ubuntu everything is working fine, etc, but when i want to install an extra package, let's say GAP, the ubuntu software trying to install gimp 2.8 as well. I think this will end into broken gimp installation
[08:55] <cfhowlett> but have you tried this?
[08:55] <Flannel> gpap: You're installing GAP through the package manager?
[08:56] <Flannel> gpap: (or as a snap?)
[08:56] <gpap> Yes i was thinking to do that, but abandoned because i was scared. Two simultaneus gimp installation, the way to the hell :)
[08:57] <cfhowlett> but quite easy to reinstall and fix.  PLUS you'd have actual/factual data not theory
[08:57] <gpap> so let's say i install from the snap the super new 2.10 gimp
[08:58] <gpap> I am with 2.8 for now, looking for a stable guide explaining what will we do with plugins, after installing the snap
[08:59] <Draegon> I created .xsessionrc file, located in ~/ and all the commands work, except for "xsetwacom set "UC-LOIC TABLET 1060 Pen stylus" MapToOutput DVI-I-1". If I manually enter that into Terminal, it fixes the stylus to only work in the specified monitor output. I think it might be to do with the display not being fully active, when I login, the monitor doesn't always display until login partway through. Is there something I can use to delay the applying of
[08:59] <Draegon> the commands?
[08:59] <Flannel> gpap: The snap lives outside of the purview of the actual packages/repository.   Install manualy?
[09:01] <cfhowlett> Flannel, but if gimp provides the installation path rather than snap/apt, wouldn't this work?
[09:01] <Flannel> gpap: It's theoretically possible for you to make a dummy package for gimp, that you could manually install to tell those things that "yes, I do have gimp 2.10 installed", which would then make the plugins not require repository-gimp.  But they may or may not actually work with 2.10 (because they're for 2.8)
[09:01] <Flannel> gpap: Yeah, it'd be the equivalent of you installing GIMP from source or whatnot, except "simpler".
[09:01] <Flannel> gpap: You should perhaps see if GIMP has their own repository and/or PPA that has 2.10 + packages for plugins for 2.10
[09:02] <Flannel> cfhowlett: it'll work, except for the dependency of those plugins to have gimp installed.  Which is why you'd need a dummy package.
[09:03] <cfhowlett> I like your idea better than mine.  :)
[09:03] <gpap> Flannel: I abandoned the idea about an extra repo (ppa) i need a stable system just working, so the questions is, will later the official repos provide the gimp 2.10?
[09:03] <Flannel> cfhowlett: and that "it'll work" implies the plugins in the repos (which are for gimp 2.8, in ubuntu-land) would work seamlessly with gimp 2.10 (which may or may not be ubuntu-configuration)
[09:03] <cfhowlett> gpap, at some point, yes
[09:04] <Flannel> gpap: Looks like 18.10 will have GIMP 2.10 (or higher)
[09:05] <gpap> cfhowlett: Flannel: i need to keep the lts for the next two years
[09:06] <Flannel> gpap: Then 20.04 will have whatever the GIMP version is around August of 2019 :)
[09:07] <Flannel> gpap: If the PPA is maintained by the GIMP people, it should be reasonably stable.  I mean, unless/until they decide to upgrade it to 2.11 or whatever
[09:07] <Flannel> You certainly don't want to be installing PPAs at random, but if they're from good people, they're OK.  I believe wine has a PPA, which is basically the same as their third party wine repo
[09:08] <Flannel> gpap: Another option would be to convince whomever is maintaining the snap to include your preferred plugins.
[09:09] <gpap> Flannel: i will research about the ppa thanks for suggesting. Snapcrafters is the developer of the snap and the snap is into the stable channel
[09:10] <Flannel> gpap: You may file a bug with/reach out to them and see if there's some other preferred method of obtaining your plugins.
[09:11] <Flannel> gpap: This is certainly something they're going to need to figure out if snaps are going to be a thing.
[09:15] <Draegon> I gather .xsessionrc is run on login, is there a way to delay the processing of the commands by a couple of seconds?
[09:15] <cfhowlett> gpap, as a last resort, you can compile gimp from source
[09:17] <ducasse> Draegon: put in a 'sleep'?
[09:17] <Flannel> cfhowlett: well, the snap would be that...
[09:18] <gpap> Flannel:  i am linux only user, no windows at all in home, but the launchpad is not friendly, send me to read large texts with instructions when i want to file a bug and i am really busy :(
[09:19] <Draegon> I don't know, what is in the file is 9 commands, 8 to set the buttons on the tablet, 1 to set the stylus pen to only work with the large monitor. The  hotkey buttons work, but not the stylus pen. If I copy & paste the stylus command from the file into terminal, it works.
[09:20] <fishie> why does my OS loading screen take 60 seconds when I disconnect my monitors temporarily to use on another computer and then put them back?
[09:20] <fishie> It did this super slow loading at the start and people gave me some commands to run which reported that the OS didn't take 60 seconds to load, but it did.
[09:21] <cfhowlett> fishie, what OS?
[09:21] <fishie> cfhowlett, Xubuntu. not sure which version.
[09:22] <gpap> Flannel: cfhowlett: thank you very much for the nice conversation, i will be conservative and stay with 2.8 until to research more infos,  greetings from Greece :)
[09:23] <fishie> I wish duckduckgo wouldn't ignore my searches when I'm explicit in what I want. looks like I have to use startpage to search for how to check Xubuntu's version instead of having it autocorrect to Ubuntu.
[09:23] <Draegon> ducasse: will that 'sleep' delay the processing until the login completes, or at least a few seconds?
[09:25] <fishie> well that only look 4 minutes.
[09:25] <fishie> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[09:28] <ducasse> Draegon: as long as you tell it to - 'sleep <seconds>'
[09:28] <fishie> yeah. same results as last time. I just booted up with the 60+ second OS loading screen, and this command doesn't show anything super long. systemd-analyze blame
[09:29] <Draegon> OK, thanks, I'll give that a try.  Why does disconnecting and reconnecting the monitor have this effect?
[09:34] <fishie> This isn't purely a hardware issue.
[09:35] <fishie> Is there a specific niche channel for Ubuntu + hardware issues?
[09:35] <Draegon> fishie: is it a single, or multiple monitor setup ?
[09:35] <Lithium64> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4150 CPU @ 3.50GHz (1,28GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11,4 GiB Total (9,0 GiB Free) Swap: 1,1 GiB Total (1,1 GiB Free) • Storage: 906,4 GB / 997,6 GB (91,3 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Bonaire XTX [Radeon R7 260X/360] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 42m 20s
[09:35] <blip99> hi all.  I upgrade 16.04 to 17.10 (yes it's a valid upgrade path).  I can login via tty, but not graphically.  After entering password and pressing enter, I just get a black screen and return to login manager
[09:35] <fishie> Draegon, multi monitor.
[09:35] <blip99> any ideas?
[09:36] <Draegon> Have you gone into the monitor section of settings, and disabled the monitor you want to temporarily disconnect?
[09:37] <guiverc> blip99, do you get the greeter (login screen for gui)?
[09:37] <blip99> guiverc, sure.
[09:37] <Draegon> Display, I think that's it's actual name.
[09:37] <blip99> i type password press enter, nothing happens
[09:37] <Ool> blip99: 2 ideas: 1/ problem with graphical driver => reinstall it, 2/ problem with your graphical env => try with a new user
[09:37] <fishie> Draegon, no. I disconnected both, but reconnected them before I even turned on the computer. How does it know I disconnected them?
[09:37] <Draegon> Was the system off to start with?
[09:38] <blip99> Ool, tried 1, removing nidia driver completely.  also tried 2 :)
[09:38] <guiverc> blip99, as i recall there is a gear-type place you can hit, then select a login via X (default for 17.10 was wayland - using X may help I'm hoping)
[09:38] <fishie> oh crap... I think so. but I was messing around so much it's hard to remember.
[09:39] <Ool> check your log, can you login in a tty (ctrl+alt+F1) ?
[09:39] <Ool> can you have a RW access into your home ?
[09:39] <Ool> with freespace :)
[09:39] <fishie> I think I only disconnected/reconnected while on on the 2nd temporary computer.
[09:39] <freakyy> hi all. im trying to install ubuntu, but as soon as i get into gnome, when trying to install (try ubuntu and install ubuntu grub boot options) every time i can move my mouse, but i cant click, and no keyboard input seems to be recognized. any idea why that is? trying ubuntu 18.04 lts
[09:40] <blip99> guiverc, hmm haven't got this gear.  i can switch between "Xubuntu session" and "XFCE session" at loing screen, no luck with either
[09:40] <fishie> do monitors have ... stuff like MAC addresses, maybe part of which changes every time they're connected?
[09:40] <fishie> I guess that's a hardware question.
[09:41] <mancman3> fishie: no
[09:41] <guiverc> blip99, that's the gear-logo I meant.. (I assumed 16.04 Unity -> 17.10 Gnome; not Xubuntu)
[09:41] <Draegon> fishie: I can't guarantee it's the same issue, however when I tried to disconnect 1 montitor of my dual monitor setup (for gaming), it completely crashed my system. Since then, if I disable 1 of the monitors in Display, then disconnect that monitor, even when the pc is off, I have no problems.
[09:41] <mancman3> @ mac
[09:41] <qwerty> is it worth updating windows again and agn? coz iit takes too much of my data as well as time
[09:41] <qwerty> i only use windows for online gaming thats all
[09:42] <mancman3> qwerty: try #windows
[09:42] <blip99> Ool, yes I have RW on /home
[09:43] <fishie> Draegon, alright, thanks. I'll experiment next time along those lines. Kind of annoying if I have to plan which monitor I want in advance but could be worse.
[09:43] <Draegon> I can disable, then disconnect 1 of my monitors, use it for gaming, then reconnect & re-enable with the system still on, no issues.
[09:44] <qwerty> @mancman3 i do but it sucks anyway.lol
[09:45] <qwerty> i wish i could play the games on linux toooooo
[09:45] <Draegon> As long as you disable, then disconnect, you shouldn't have a problem while still logged in to your session, or just disable 1 just before shutting down.
[09:45] <fishie> ah, while still on.
[09:45] <fishie> ok, thanks.
[10:08] <seven-eleven> hi
[10:08] <seven-eleven> lxcf is not to be confused with apparmor's lxc? or is it the same
[10:11] <Draegon> ducasse: No joy. Tried anywhere from 3 seconds to over 30. It just delays the desktop from displaying for that time length. It has to be something that has got to happen after the desktop is working.
[10:11] <seven-eleven> *lxcfs
[10:17] <MonkeyDust> https://linuxcontainers.org/lxcfs/
[10:18] <MonkeyDust> seven-eleven  there's also the channel #lxcontainers
[10:19] <seven-eleven> rebooted my vm and the remote console stays black
[10:19] <seven-eleven> i guess that means my vm is dead
[10:23] <ASTRA-> seven-eleven vm on win?
[10:23] <seven-eleven> ASTRA-, kvm on linux
[10:24] <ASTRA-> ahh
[10:24] <ASTRA-> :/
[10:24] <seven-eleven> well it seems to be stuck
[10:24] <ASTRA-> <18.04, hard install on desktop
[10:25] <ASTRA-> had some srs issues when upgrading from 16.04 tho
[10:26] <seven-eleven> i just wait half an hour
[10:26] <seven-eleven> if it doesnt come up ill contact the vm hypervisor admin
[10:26] <astra`> sounds reasonable
[10:27] <seven-eleven> worst case i lost a good amount of data
[10:29] <MonkeyDust> seven-eleven  make sure you have backups
[10:33] <niranjan> i
[10:33] <niranjan> haii
[10:33] <niranjan> any one are in chat room
[10:34] <Draegon> Yes, plenty
[10:34] <Draegon> just ask your question completely
[10:36] <Draegon> In Unity, link a program to the Launcher, I'm now running Cinnamon and run Krita as an AppImage, is there any way to run it from either the Desktop, Menu, or Panel?
[10:37] <seven-eleven> MonkeyDust, i have backups but since i migrated to a new server I didn't do daily backups, therefore I lost 4-5 days
[10:38] <seven-eleven> and installing that whole environment again takes too much time
[10:38] <seven-eleven> especially since my backups are on a 10 MBIT/s upload server
[10:39] <seven-eleven> hope the hypervisor admin can fix this, else i prefer to just stop my service
[10:41] <seven-eleven> i think this is because i added SWAP to fstab
[10:42] <seven-eleven> probably the mounting fails, but the kvm switch should show where it is stuck
[10:42] <mistralol> Hi, Seem to have a problem after upgrading from 17.10 -> 18.04. Xwindows loads but as soon as I login nothing happens and I think gnome-shell is crashing
[10:42] <mistralol> anyone any ideas?
[10:43] <anjing> hy
[10:43] <anjing> hy all
[10:44] <anjing> hy
[11:10] <HoloIRCUser> hallo
[11:13] <HoloIRCUser> hello
[11:13] <guiverc> HoloIRCUser, if you have a Ubuntu support question, please just ask it (single line please). If someone in the room knows the answer, they'll reply
[11:20] <HoloIRCUser> hello
[11:21] <pine64> hello
[11:21] <pine64> can anyone help me pls
[11:23] <tomreyn> !ask | pine64
[11:24] <tomreyn> !details | eMy
[11:25] <eMy> i need some help to learn crack a wap wifi connection somebody can help me with ?
[11:26] <tomreyn> eMy: not here, no. this is ubuntu support
[11:27] <eMy> can u tell me where can i ask for it .... y tried  a lots of videos on utube but alway y get an error
[11:28] <mancman3> eMy: do /nick OHMY :)
[11:29] <mancman3> eMy: no pvt msgs thanks
[11:29] <eMy> ok
[11:32] <adroit_machine> I have a usb headphone(jabra 550a), the headphones work fine when I use vlc. But they don't work when I try to watch youtube on firefox or chrome. Need help please
[11:32] <dbugger_> Does anyone know why my printer wont appear just on GIMP? Every other program can find it without a problem...
[11:38] <tomreyn> dbugger_: you may need to install the "gimp-gutenprint" package
[11:39] <dbugger_> tomreyn, that did not help :/
[11:41] <tomreyn> dbugger_: hmm, then i don't know, sorry. here (16.04) my printer shows up in gimp as it shows up elsewhere.
[11:42] <dbugger_> tomreyn, Here (18.04) worked everything, but GIMP is being a bitch :P
[11:42] <SimonNL> adroit_machine: could be you have the player of those apps muted
[11:43] <SimonNL> adroit_machine: might be you have youtube player muted
[11:45] <gopal_> unable to connect to wifi after installing ubuntu 18.04LTS
[11:46] <gopal_> it was working in 16.04lts
[11:57] <alex72gr> hello!
[11:58] <alex72gr> I'm trying to install xubuntu 18.04 64 bit
[11:58] <alex72gr> it seems that I can't install the boot loader
[11:58] <alex72gr> any experienced user for manual parittioning my disks?
[11:59] <gopal_> alex72gr, bios or efi?
[11:59] <alex72gr> gopal_: what does this mean?
[12:00] <alex72gr> sorry...
[12:00] <alex72gr> I don't know..
[12:00] <alex72gr> I'm not experienced
[12:00] <alex72gr> ...
[12:00] <gopal_> alex72gr, you are using a new pc ?
[12:01] <alex72gr> gopal_: yes
[12:01] <alex72gr> I have a 240GB SDD and a 3TB HDD
[12:01] <gopal_> alex72gr, any other operating system is installed ?
[12:01] <alex72gr> nope
[12:01] <alex72gr> I'll just install Xubuntu
[12:01] <alex72gr> nothing else
[12:02] <gopal_> alex72gr, you want to install xubuntu on ssd ?
[12:02] <alex72gr> so... the 1st disk (SDD 240GB) is for installing the boot loader, / (root directory) and swap
[12:02] <alex72gr> this one is marked as sda
[12:03] <alex72gr> the other one sdb HDD 3TB is for /home
[12:03] <alex72gr> so...
[12:03] <alex72gr> what should I do?
[12:03] <gartral> alex72gr: how much ram do you have? you may not want to put swap on your ssd
[12:03] <alex72gr> 16GB
[12:03] <alex72gr> I created a 24GB swap partition (the 1.5x rule)
[12:03] <alex72gr> I think it's OK
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> alex72gr  in a terminal, lsblk -f ... paste it here, to show it to the channel ... https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:04] <gopal_> alex72gr, https://askubuntu.com/questions/194457/installing-ubuntu-os-on-ssd-and-install-home-on-other-hdd
[12:05] <alex72gr> NAME   FSTYPE   LABEL       UUID                                 MOUNTPOINT
[12:05] <alex72gr> loop0  squashfs                                                  /rofs
[12:05] <alex72gr> sda
[12:05] <alex72gr> ├─sda1 vfat                 8525-87D9
[12:05] <alex72gr> ├─sda2 ext4                 b1ff5ef7-fdfd-4946-9f84-8ae650eaaa3d
[12:05] <alex72gr> └─sda3 swap                 5133e601-f933-4f79-b5fd-aad329ec864a [SWAP]
[12:05] <alex72gr> sdb
[12:06] <gartral> well he wasn't very good at following instructions, was he? >.>
[12:06] <gopal_> MonkeyDust, for 18.04 manual swap partition  is not required , right ?
[12:07] <gartral> gopal_: it depends entirely on what you do in the installer, if you let it do it's automatic thing then no, if you select "something else" then yes
[12:08] <alex72gr> the / directory (ext4), the swap area (24GB).
[12:08] <duke> Hmm, is there an easy way to restore a system after a failed do-release-upgrade? :D
[12:08] <mistralol> duke: from backup?
[12:08] <alex72gr> should I create manually a boot partition (EFI)?
[12:08] <duke> I made the upgrade from Lubuntu 17.10 to 18.04 on my crappy tablet the other day via ssh and it borked.
[12:09] <duke> mistralol: don't have a backup for this machine, as there isn't really anything on it
[12:09] <duke> mistralol: but just asking, before I reinstall it, if there is an easy way to restore it or not
[12:09] <mistralol> then easy to just reinstall
[12:09] <duke> Yea, guessed so
[12:10] <ioria> duke, we can try ... ca you boot the box ?
[12:10] <duke> ioria: only to a terminal
[12:10] <gopal_> gartral, ""For new installs, a swap file will be used by default instead of a swap partition " source https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes
[12:11] <ioria> duke, you mean console or Recovery Mode ?
[12:11] <gartral> duke: did the upgrade *fail* or did you acidentally kill the terminal window?
[12:11] <gopal_> wifi not working after installing ubuntu 18.04,
[12:11] <duke> ioria: actually, scratch that. it boots and displays a kernel panic
[12:12] <duke> unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[12:12] <ioria> duke, try again (these days Lubuntu is acting weird)
[12:12] <Sbur3> Ubuntu 18.04.  Connected laptop to TV via HMDI.  Want sound to come out of TV and not laptop.  For the moment, it comes out of the laptop and NOT from the TV
[12:12] <Sbur3> Any takers for this problem?
[12:12] <gartral> duke: you got lucky, in the future always have backups, even if you think the machine isn't worth it, go reinstall
[12:12] <duke> gartral: I started it via ssh from my desktop and let it run. when I came back after sleep the ssh session had closed itself, so dunno.
[12:12] <ioria> duke, i mean reboot
[12:13] <duke> hold on
[12:14] <mistralol> Sbur3: often the gfx card has a sound card in it for this reason
[12:14] <duke> let me try booting the recovery mode
[12:14] <ioria> duke, yep
[12:14] <mistralol> Sbur3: just change it in the control panel
[12:16] <gopal_> laptop came with broadcom card
[12:16] <duke> ioria: still the same, seems like it cant open the root device and thus not mount the root fs
[12:16] <duke> ioria: well, I guess I'll just reinstall it, seems a lot faster and less hassle
[12:16] <ioria> duke, yes
[12:17] <Sbur3> mistralol: Actually, I'm trying to help a friend with teamviewer.  The sound was the normal way before.  (out of TV, but not out of computer
[12:17] <gopal_> ioria, can you please help me , wifi is not working
[12:17] <Sbur3> mistralol: He's too limited to have screwed something up
[12:17] <ioria> gopal_, paste  sudo -C Network
[12:17] <duke> ioria: this tablet is rather experimental either way in terms of linux. It even requires me to manually add the 32 bit EFI stuff onto the USB stick, so the device's UEFI can even boot the installer.
[12:17] <ioria> gopal_, paste  sudo  lshw -C Network
[12:18] <mistralol> Sbur3: but yeah. What do you have in the control panel under sound?
[12:18] <ioria> duke, that's should be a pain ...
[12:19] <duke> ioria: then it does run well, at least a lot better than it did with Windows 10, especially in terms of storage space... only has 32GB and Win10 couldnt update anymore, because no space left.
[12:19] <mistralol> anyone any idea what this means? usb 2-5.4.1: input irq status -75 received
[12:19] <ioria> duke, so lubuntu is the right choice, i guess
[12:20] <duke> ioria: but as said, the audio doesn't work, it seems like alsa/pulse just wants to use the HDMI port instead of the proper audio device - which does get recognized - and I haven't gotten it to use the proper one somehow.
[12:20] <gopal_> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PrQrdzxbX4/
[12:20] <ioria> duke, as i said, ... a pain :þ
[12:21] <duke> ioria: aaaaaand then the issue with the display not shutting off when I lock the tablet or press the power button or the device goes to sleep. Display does turn black, but is still on.
[12:21] <gopal_> ioria, i can see wifi connections available but when i connect to them , they keep asking for password
[12:21] <gopal_> i am entering correct password
[12:21] <duke> Then the webcams do not work, but I don't care about that.
[12:22] <ioria> gopal_,  dmesg | grep -i wlo1
[12:22] <duke> ioria: thinking about either trying LUbuntu 18.04 again or give Manjaro a shot, altho I don't see that changing much in terms of functionality
[12:23] <ioria> duke, yeah, with that thing you have to go by trying
[12:23] <duke> ioria: Yup. I'd be satisfied if I get the audio to work and could live with the screen issue.
[12:24] <ioria> duke, good luck
[12:24] <duke> thanks :D
[12:24] <duke> I'll make sure to ask here for specific help with ALSA and pulseaudio befuddling.
[12:25] <duke> for now... where did I put my spare USB stick...
[12:25] <gopal_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vm3bcRYDdJ/
[12:27] <ioria> duke, what kernel ? uname -r
[12:28] <duke> uh, I can't access it yet.
[12:28] <duke> but hold on, I might have a pastebin from recently
[12:28] <ioria> duke, sorry it was for gopal_  what kernel ? uname -r
[12:28] <duke> Ah
[12:29] <gopal_> ioria, 4.15.0-20-generic
[12:30] <ioria> gopal_, sudo modprobe -v wl
[12:31] <gopal_> ioria, empty
[12:31] <ioria> gopal_, are you using bcmwl-kernel-source  ?
[12:32] <gopal_> ioria, how to check ?
[12:32] <ioria> gopal_, dpkg -l  bcmwl-kernel-source
[12:32] <gartral> ok all, speaking of upgrade troubles, I have a desktop here that's kinda screwed up, I did an upgrade fine, but the system refuses to boot any new kernel (this has been going on for a while now.) currently i'm on 18.04 with kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:33] <ioria> gartral, that is an old xenial kernel ...
[12:33] <gopal_> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pm4cRKVxkK/
[12:33] <gartral> ioria: I'm perfectly well aware of this
[12:33] <ioria> gartral, and why do you still have it ?
[12:33] <gartral> ioria: because no newer kernels boot
[12:34] <ioria> ah
[12:34] <gartral> i want to fix this
[12:34] <ioria> gopal_,  i don't think is a driver issue ...
[12:35] <legalou> salut
[12:35] <ioria> gopal_,  but you can try   sudo apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source  and reboot
[12:35] <gopal_> ioria, but it was working in ubuntu 14 and 16
[12:36] <ioria> gopal_,  sudo  apt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source  and reboot   (check for errors, if any)
[12:36] <legalou> ßonjour les gens !
[12:36] <legalou> cc
[12:36] <_cc> legalou: what?
[12:36] <ioria> gartral, but the bionic kernel is installed correctly ?
[12:36] <gopal_> ioria, Running module version sanity check.  - Original module  - No original module exists within this kernel
[12:37] <gopal_> it is error ?
[12:37] <gartral> ioria: <IP_ADDRESS> is installed, reportedly correctly, but if I try and boot to it the machine bootloops without giving an error
[12:38] <ioria> gartral, you mean restarts again ?
[12:39] <gartral> ioria: yep, till I intervene at grub and manually select the old kernel
[12:40] <ioria> gartral, i'd try acpi=off
[12:40] <gopal_> ioria, reboot ?
[12:40] <ioria> gopal_, yes
[12:42] <gartral> ioria: i'll try, brb
[12:45] <gopal_> ioria, wifi unavailable - 802.1X supplicant failed
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:46] <gobi_> is it possible to install a windows partion from ubuntu
[12:47] <ioria> gopal_, sudo service network-manager restart
[12:47] <gobi_> i have ubuntu on my ssd and an empty hdd, id like to partition the hdd and install windows
[12:47] <cfhowlett> gobi_, install?  no.  reserve and set aside? sure.
[12:47] <cfhowlett> gobi_, so boot the windows cd, install.  however you will need to reinstall grub to get your ubuntus to boot after installing windows
[12:48] <cfhowlett> !grub | gobi_ please save
[12:48] <gobi_> cool thanks
[12:48] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:50] <gartral> ioria: welp, you were right, so the question is now, how do I make acpi=off applicable system-wide and automatic with new kernels?
[12:51] <ioria> gartral, wait... acpi=off is not recommended
[12:52] <ioria> gartral, to answer you question you put it in /etc/default/grub
[12:52] <gopal_> ioria, after restarting network manager i was able to connect to wifi , then i click on disconnect and again it was giving 802.1X supplicant failed error
[12:52] <gopal_> and now restarting network manager is also not working
[12:53] <ioria> gopal_,  but still asking you again and again the password ?
[12:54] <gopal_> ioria, no wifi unavailable - 802.1X supplicant failed
[12:55] <gopal_> ioria, when i restart it sometimes no error is shown but no network available
[12:55] <gartral> ioria: well.. it may not be recomended, but I lack the skills to fix the acpi implimentation for my specific chipset
[12:56] <ioria> gartral, ok,  sudo nano /etc/default/grub  and set  GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off "
[12:57] <ioria> gartral, and run sudo update-grub
[12:57] <gopal_> ioria, now it is showing 802.1X supplicant failed , and restarting network  manager is also not working
[12:59] <ioria> gopal_,  cd  /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/  and paste the file you find in there
[13:00] <gopal_> ioria,  Airtel  'Airtel Wired HotSpot'   Q6_7421  'Wired connection 2'
[13:01] <kiriuha1> hello
[13:01] <kiriuha1> ?
[13:01] <ioria> gopal_,  the wifi one ... idk what is  :þ
[13:01] <ioria> gopal_,  i guess Airtel
[13:01] <gopal_> ioria, Airtel  'Airtel Wired HotSpot'   Q6_7421
[13:02] <ioria> gopal_,  paste   Airtel
[13:02] <kiriuha1> has joined #ubuntu
[13:03] <gopal_> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/XVPVYNTTrB/
[13:03] <kiriuha1> zzz
[13:03] <kiriuha1> z
[13:03] <kiriuha1> z
[13:03] <kiriuha1> z
[13:03] <kiriuha1> z
[13:03] <cfhowlett> kiriuha1, stop it
[13:04] <cfhowlett> this is ubuntu support.  if you have a question, ask. if you have an answer, help.
[13:05] <lapaga> kiriuha does this every day maybe its time for a ban
[13:05] <cfhowlett> ah.  didnt' know.  fortunately, hexchat /ignore works perfectly
[13:06] <ioria> gopal_,  try   nmtui-connect     and activate the connection there
[13:06] <Guest55197> any one  here ?
[13:06] <gopal_> ioria, what is that ?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> Guest55197, only me and about 2000 others.
[13:07] <ioria> gopal_,  a cli tool
[13:07] <Guest55197> where am i please?
[13:07] <gopal_> ioria, done it is airtel hotspot
[13:07] <cfhowlett> Guest55197, for the record, #ubuntu is never empty so just skip the greeting and ask your support question
[13:08] <gopal_> ioria, now ?
[13:08] <MonkeyDust> Guest55197  you're in the ubuntu support channel, type   /topic
[13:08] <Guest55197> so ! how to update graphic quality on ubuntu ?
[13:09] <ioria> gopal_,  reboot and try to connect ?
[13:09] <gopal_> ioria, ok rebooting
[13:09] <ioria> gopal_,  set also the passphrase
[13:09] <MonkeyDust> !details | Guest55197
[13:09] <gopal_> ioria, how ?
[13:10] <Guest55197> ubottu thank you
[13:10] <ioria> gopal_,  nmtui
[13:10] <Guest55197> what ? ubottu u are bot ! that amazing who designed you ?
[13:11] <cfhowlett> Guest55197, focus.  if you want help with your problem, provide details as requested.
[13:12] <gopal_> ioria, soooy for wrong info , but i cant see any wifi id in nmtui-connect
[13:12] <gopal_> sorry^
[13:12] <gopal_> ioria, it only show pic ethernet and usb ethernet
[13:13] <Guest55197> cfhowlett when i open video in vlc media it came with bad quality on my ubuntu 16.04
[13:13] <ioria> gopal_, paste  ' ip   a '
[13:13] <cfhowlett> Guest55197, "bad quality" = low resolution or what?
[13:14] <gopal_> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F2zNVqRtXY/
[13:14] <ioria> gopal_, yes, disabled
[13:15] <Guest55197> cfhowlett yeah low resolution but when i open it in windows 10 or 7 it came with good resolution ?
[13:15] <MonkeyDust> Guest55197  which graphics card?
[13:16] <Guest55197> monkeydust intel celeron n3050
[13:16] <gopal_> ioria, ?
[13:16] <ioria> gopal_, wlo1: <NO-CARRIER>
[13:17] <gopal_> ioria, how to enable it , restating network manager is not working
[13:18] <ioria> gopal_,  sudo ip link set  wlo1 up
[13:18] <gopal_> ioria, sorry , need to go , only 5% battery in laptop and no power in my house
[13:18] <ioria> gopal_,  ok
[13:18] <gopal_> ioria, still o wifi in nmuti
[13:18] <gopal_> no
[13:19] <gopal_> bye
[13:19] <gopal_> thx
[13:19] <ioria> np
[13:32] <funfrogs> hi all
[13:44] <justin___> hello
[13:44] <tzanolo> good morning for everyone. i'm trying to install cisco packettracer 7 on my ubuntu 18, and when I run it, there are a missing dependencie.
[13:44] <justin___> I can't start ubuntu 18 in recovery mode
[13:44] <justin___> ive tried holding down right shift
[13:44] <justin___> its not working
[13:44] <tzanolo> ./PacketTracer7: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5WebKitWidgets.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:45] <tzanolo> its missing... does someone knows how to find it ???
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> !find libqt5webkit
[14:45] <luxio> I just rebooted and the order of my monitors was switched
[14:45] <luxio> The right one has the sidebar and the top bar
[14:45] <luxio> the left one used to have that
[14:46] <luxio> how do I fix  this
[14:46] <luxio> nvm fixed
[14:47] <s10gopal> ioria, still getting unavailable- 802.1X supplicant failed
[14:49] <s10gopal> how to fix unavailable- 802.1X supplicant failed ?
[14:49] <ioria> s10gopal, dmesg | grep -i wpa
[14:49] <s10gopal> ioria, empty
[14:51] <ioria> s10gopal, your interface (wlo1)  is up now  ?
[14:52] <s10gopal> ioria, i did  sudo ip link set  wlo1 up , but still getting empty log
[14:53] <ioria> s10gopal,   ip  a
[14:53] <s10gopal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cFn969SWKs/
[14:54] <ioria> s10gopal,   nmcli dev wifi connect <mySSID> password <my_password>
[14:57] <s10gopal> ioria, bash: sushi@195: event not found
[14:57] <ioria> s10gopal,   you made it wrong ...
[14:58] <s10gopal> ioria, nmcli dev wifi connect Airtel  password sushi@195
[14:59] <ioria> s10gopal,  escape @
[15:00] <ledeni> s10gopal, do you use different keyboard layout ?
[15:00] <s10gopal> ledeni, no
[15:01] <s10gopal> ioria, ?
[15:01] <ioria> s10gopal,  nmcli dev wifi connect Airtel  password sushi\@195
[15:02] <s10gopal> ioria, Error: No network with SSID 'Airtel' found.
[15:02] <oerheks> are these "802.1X supplicant failed" errors due to connect to a hidden network ?
[15:02] <s10gopal> no
[15:03] <s10gopal> after installing ubuntu 1804 , i want unable to connect to wifi , it was keep asking password
[15:03] <s10gopal> and after doing reinstall bwcl i am getting that error
[15:04] <ioria> s10gopal,  nmcli dev wifi connect Airtel  password 'sushi@195'      (with quotes)
[15:04] <s10gopal> ioria, Error: No network with SSID 'Airtel' found.
[15:06] <ioria> s10gopal,  sudo iwlist wlo1
[15:07] <s10gopal> ioria, iwlist: unknown command `wlo1' (check 'iwlist --help').
[15:07] <ioria> s10gopal,  sudo iwlist scan
[15:08] <s10gopal> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VmzpfVzbBy/
[15:12] <ioria> s10gopal,  set +H   && nmcli dev wifi connect Airtel  password sushi@195
[15:14] <s10gopal> ioria, Error: No network with SSID 'Airtel' found.
[15:16] <curious> I would like to install ubuntu 18.04 on a machine with two disks - a small SSD (32G) and a larger hard disk (1TB). Would like to use both disks for Ubuntu and have them both be fully encrypted. Installer skips over the larger disk forcing me to encrypt separately
[15:17] <curious> Any way to avoid that?
[15:17] <ioria> s10gopal,  try again with nmtui
[15:19] <ss44> s
[15:19] <ss44> 2 guys
[15:20] <ss44> any 1 here?
[15:22] <rud0lf> please help. i use Broadcom BCM20702A0 Bluetooth USB dongle along with Philips SHB3075/00 Headset. When i connect from computer via blueman-applet (ver. 2.0.5), all is fine, but when i connect other way - by turning on headphones so those connect to pc, connection is successful, but the Headset device isn't working nor isn't visible in PulseAudio settings
[15:22] <rud0lf> i have to disconnect and connect again from computer via blueman-applet for those to work
[15:24] <s10gopal> ioria, nmuti -> edit connection , Airtel is present there
[15:25] <rud0lf> i'm not sure how to google my problem
[15:27] <ledeni> s10gopal, try with nm-connecton-editor to make new wifi profile
[15:27] <s10gopal> i think first i should delete all profiles ?
[15:27] <rud0lf> "pactl list cards short" shows bluetooth card.. is there a way to send signal to pulseaudio to refresh it?
[15:28] <ledeni> s10gopal, not necessary
[15:28] <s10gopal> ledeni, but Airtel profile is already created
[15:28] <s10gopal> why i have to create a new one ?
[15:29] <oerheks> clear profiles, restart router to release the lease..
[15:29] <oerheks> 2 actions to find out if that is the culprit
[15:29] <ledeni> s10gopal, just to see you got same error
[15:30] <oerheks> BCM43142 is a wifi/bt chipset, do you have proper BT ?
[15:30] <Guest81396> Hello.I wish to install Atom from the Ubuntu Software Cente, in detail the message is displayed "the application is unconfined. it can access all personal files and system resources".How do I protect my self from that and restrict access, btw im using Ubuntu 18.04.Thanks you.
[15:30] <s10gopal> idk about bt
[15:30] <ioria> s10gopal,  yes, and did you install , by chance, another nm , like wicd  ?
[15:31] <s10gopal> ioria, yes someone suggested o install wicd but it dont work so i removed it
[15:31] <s10gopal> me to
[15:31] <ioria> s10gopal,  dpkg -l | grep wicd
[15:32] <s10gopal> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MmFmtYnrgn/
[15:32] <ducasse> Guest81396: there's nothing really strange about that, but you could spend time on setting up an apparmor profile
[15:32] <ioria> s10gopal,  still there, purge it and autoremove
[15:33] <s10gopal> ioria, purge wicd ?
[15:33] <ioria> yes
[15:33] <oerheks> Guest81396, by not using it, "this third package is not sandboxed, it will have access to your documents.." Atom is a free and open source text editor that is modern, approachable, and hackable to the core.
[15:33] <oerheks> or use it with care
[15:33] <s10gopal> ioria, done
[15:34] <ioria> s10gopal,  apt autoremove
[15:34] <s10gopal> ioria, done
[15:34] <Guest81396> Ah I see, i will try apparmor. Thanks you ducasse and oerheks. :)
[15:34] <ioria> s10gopal,  check again dpkg -l | grep wicd   and be sure it's gone
[15:35] <scp> I was doing a do-release upgrade in a screen and had to disconnect from the server but can't reconnect, is there anything I can do?
[15:35] <ducasse> Guest81396: be aware that apparmor is pretty complex. if you need help, a few of the maintainers hang out in #ubuntu-server
[15:35] <s10gopal> ioria, still present http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2Sb4hNGZPd/
[15:36] <memphisto> @scp: screen -r
[15:36] <ioria> s10gopal,  sudo apr purge  wicd-curses wicd-daemon  wicd-gtk
[15:36] <ioria> *apt
[15:36] <scp> memphisto: can't reconnect to the ssh
[15:37] <s10gopal> ioria, all removed
[15:37] <scp> I can ping the machine, it's there.  I thought it normally started ssh on a different port when it did an upgrade? or is that my memory being fuzzy?  Already doing a port scan, but idk if I'm wrong.
[15:38] <ioria> s10gopal,  restart router and pc  ... and, for now, i suggest you change your wifi password (without special characters like @!# etc. etc.)
[15:38] <memphisto> scp: oh. then your *. But don't you have iLO, or iDRAC, or similar to your server
[15:38] <s10gopal> ioria, ok
[15:39] <scp> memphisto: idk what any of that means
[15:39] <ducasse> scp: is this a vps or a physical machine?
[15:39] <scp> physical machine
[15:40] <leftyfb> scp: why can't you plug in a keyboard and monitor?
[15:40] <scp> leftyfb: oh, it's remote, it's just a rented dedicated machine
[15:40] <leftyfb> scp: ok, then contact support
[15:41] <scp> naw, they can't help me, i hope.  If I have to brave a hard-reboot and see if it comes back then that's that.
[15:41] <oerheks> rental machine, then you should have an admin entry
[15:41] <memphisto> scp: Integrated Lights-Out, or iLO, is a proprietary embedded server management technology by Hewlett-Packard which provides out-of-band management facilities
[15:41] <oerheks> don't mention valuable info like rental machine when seeking support
[15:41] <oerheks> :-D
[15:41] <ducasse> scp: check if there's an sshd on port 2222 first
[15:42] <scp> oerheks: no console from the control panel if that's what you mean.  Normally I use mosh, which uses ssh, but right now neither connect.  443 is up though, so that's a ok sign
[15:42] <scp> port 2222: Connection refused
[15:43] <memphisto> nmap
[15:43] <ducasse> scp: ok. iirc that's where the upgrader starts an sshd
[15:43] <scp> memphisto: already on it, the port scans gonna take a hot 20 minutes or so
[15:44] <memphisto> scp: hands and eyes on remote site that could help you ??
[15:44] <scp> ducasse: yeah, seemed like i remembered something like that.  That at least gives me motivation to let the portscan finish before doing the reboot.
[15:44] <scp> memphisto: heh, like i said earlier, if they can help me that would kind of scare me, i mean the implications.
[15:44] <s10gopal> ioria, it is working but when i keep @ in my password it keep asking for password
[15:45] <ioria> s10gopal,  did you change the password ?
[15:45] <s10gopal> ioria, i created hotspot from my mobile and i am able to connect to it
[15:46] <s10gopal> ioria, but when i connect to Airtel it ask for password again and again
[15:46]  * oerheks bets password = wrong
[15:46] <ioria> s10gopal,  so the proble is the settings of that Network
[15:47] <s10gopal> ioria, password is correct , i connect my mobile to that router using same password
[15:47] <ioria> s10gopal,  did you change the password ?  yes / no
[15:50] <s10gopal_> ioria, i am able to reproduce it ,
[15:50] <s10gopal_> i changed my mobile hotspot's password to pas@11
[15:51] <ioria> s10gopal,  " password (without special characters like @!# etc. etc.)"
[15:52] <s10gopal_> ioria, how to set password with special characters ? i was using same password to ubuntu 14.04
[15:52] <s10gopal_> and it was working fine
[15:52] <ioria> s10gopal_, 'wihout '
[15:53] <ioria> s10gopal_, without
[15:53] <oerheks> .. change it to 'normal' characters and find out that is the issue?
[15:53] <s10gopal_> oerheks, it work fine with normal characters
[15:53] <ioria> s10gopal_,  you know, like 'pippoboia'
[15:54] <ioria> s10gopal_,  and connect to that 'Airtel' or whatever it is
[15:54] <s10gopal_> yes
[15:55] <s10gopal_> i am able to connect to airtel with normal password
[15:55] <ioria> s10gopal_,  omg
[15:57] <s10gopal_> ioria, any idea how to fix it ?
[15:57] <s10gopal_> it is problem related to wap/wap2 ?
[15:59] <oerheks> if you used the gui, it should be alright, if you edited the password manually, restart networking ?
[15:59] <oerheks> and you *did* set the pasword in your router too?
[16:00] <s10gopal_> oerheks, even it dont work with gui
[16:02] <Freekid> Hi how can i make it work with ubuntu? https://github.com/nvllsvm/emby-unlocked
[16:04] <ledeni> s10gopal_, run nm-connetion-editor check Aritel wifi security & password
[16:05] <Freekid>  Hi how can i make it work with ubuntu? https://github.com/nvllsvm/emby-unlocked
[16:06] <oerheks> Freekid, i think you need to deploy the docker image
[16:07] <Freekid> Ah so i need to to install docker in ubuntu?
[16:07] <Freekid> *first?
[16:08] <oerheks> and "paid to unlock emby"  sounds like you are asking us to help hacking? https://emby.media/premiere.html
[16:08] <oerheks> *if* you have paid, that feature would be available to you
[16:14] <Ezro> Hey everyone. I'm trying to create and a share a torrent with a friend, but my transmission keeps saying the port is closed.
[16:14] <Ezro> Canyouseeme.org is showing the port as being open, though.
[16:15] <Ezro> Does anyone know what could be blocking transmission?
[16:15] <crimson_king> Ezro, maybe you didn't do port forwarding. It's necessary, because you have a router/modem in the way, (right?)
[16:16] <Ezro> I set up the port forwarding in my router, and also even tried disabling my firewall with Gufw.
[16:16] <Ezro> Canyouseeme.org shows the port as being open when I have transmission running, but transmission is showing it as closed.
[16:17] <crimson_king> Ezro, what about the modem?
[16:17] <crimson_king> Ezro, router and modem?
[16:17] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow <port>/tcp
[16:17] <Freekid> oh it may be transmission error Ezro but its open actually if that site says it open
[16:18] <crimson_king> Ezro, don't disable the firewall, just open the Transmission port through it
[16:18] <oerheks> sudo ufw status verbose
[16:19] <Ezro> crimson_king: My router has the port forwarded, and I added a rule in the firewall to allow <IP_ADDRESS> <-> my local ip
[16:20] <Ezro> oerheks: I've already added the port in my local firewall and it shows as 'ALLOW Anywhere' in 'sudo ufw status verbose'.
[16:20] <crimson_king> Ezro, OK, so the router allows Transmission port to your computer IP, right?
[16:20] <Ezro> Yes, I believe so.
[16:21] <crimson_king> show us your ufw status, as oerheks said, it might show something
[16:22] <oerheks> hmm maybe something else, a fresh torrent can take up minutes to avertise to your friend, maybe just be patient?
[16:23] <oerheks> c/advertise
[16:25] <Ezro_> https://i.imgur.com/WwC7SIo.png
[16:29] <oerheks> check if uPnP is enabled, port -13 is the standard listeningport, that seems oke
[16:32] <Ezro> oerheks: Canyouseeme.org is seeing port 13 as cloesd
[16:32] <Ezro> closed*
[16:34] <MikeRL> I think I've noticed a bug but have no clue what package it applies to. Scrolling jumps multiple lines at once. This is noticeable in GNOME shell's application launcher and in games on Steam like Half Life where it interferes with the game. Rebooting sometimes fixes it.
[16:34] <MikeRL> I have no clue what package to file it under. Anyone have any ideas?
[16:36] <MikeRL> I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and I noticed it on the previous LTS as well.
[16:50] <en1gma> im running 18.4 lts x86_64 desktop. default install and desktop. if i have two seperate terms open and click the icon a little window pops up and shows my two terms
[16:50] <en1gma> is there a way to make those terms in that window larger so i can see more
[16:50] <en1gma> too bad we cant just click and drag it bigger
[16:52] <AquaL1te> i can't find any https mirrors for ubuntu, is this really not supported?
[16:53] <dropkick500> so everybody's clients just decided to ping timeout all at once?
[16:55] <tgm4883> AquaL1te: I wouldn't say it's not supported, just that there aren't any
[17:00] <CableGuy> I could use a little help if someone is available
[17:01] <ducasse> CableGuy: ask your question, someone will help if they can
[17:01] <CableGuy> Having some issues installing a program in 18.04. I've downloaded the file and done the extraction.
[17:02] <CableGuy> when I use apt install, it says unable to locate the package. I've tried it from a few different locations
[17:02] <CableGuy> what am I doing wrong
[17:03] <oerheks> apt uses the repos, you want dpkg -i <package>.deb
[17:03] <oerheks> and if it is not a deb, read the instruction ?
[17:04] <CableGuy> specifically it is the gnu external ballistics calculator. Not been able to find any instructions. Just a trz file
[17:04] <tgm4883> Don't use dpkg to install a deb, use apt
[17:04] <tgm4883> 'apt install ./debfile.deb'
[17:05] <pankaj_> A
[17:06] <oerheks> there are tons of gnu external ballistics calculators, url?
[17:06] <CableGuy> https://sourceforge.net/projects/balcomp/?source=typ_redirect
[17:06] <tgm4883> I think you'll need to compile that from source
[17:07] <pankaj_> I just installed latest lfs release of ubuntu deaktop but now i want to install some other destro. But I cannot enter the biis even by pressing f2 or f12 at startup. Ubuntu shows up fastly
[17:07] <leftyfb> tgm4883: why apt over dpkg?
[17:07] <tgm4883> leftyfb: because it resolves dependencies
[17:07] <leftyfb> pankaj_: that's a question about your hardware/BIOS/motherboard, not Ubuntu
[17:08] <ducasse> CableGuy: did you download the source archive?
[17:08] <leftyfb> pankaj_: Ubuntu does not change how you get into your BIOS in any way
[17:08] <p0a> Hello I'm using Lubuntu 16.04 and I'm getting errors about updating firefox with `apt-get upgrade' (not found). I think this means I have to upgrade my ubuntu.
[17:08] <p0a> does anyone know how I can do that?
[17:08] <pankaj_> But before now it worked fine.
[17:08] <leftyfb> p0a: pastebin the error
[17:08] <p0a> leftyfb: there /was/ a recent bug in some laptops with the BIOS though
[17:08] <leftyfb> pankaj_: coincidence
[17:09] <leftyfb> p0a: got a link?
[17:09] <p0a> leftyfb: sure, it's a 404 not found error
[17:09] <CableGuy> I did not download the source archive.
[17:09] <leftyfb> p0a: please pastebin the actual error
[17:09] <oerheks> CableGuy, there is a source, and slackware gives /gebc-1.07-i386/, i think you downloaded that one
[17:09] <pankaj_> leftyfb: So do you think of any other solution?
[17:09] <tgm4883> pankaj_: what laptop?
[17:09] <p0a> leftyfb: the BIOS link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[17:10] <leftyfb> pankaj_: unplug the HDD and see if it makes a difference
[17:10] <pankaj_> leftyfb: Even my pendrive does not blink
[17:10] <CableGuy> I did download that
[17:10] <tgm4883> p0a: that wasn't a 16.04 bug
[17:10] <CableGuy> twice actually
[17:10] <CableGuy> one that is a tar.gz and one that is zip. which I'm pretty sure I cant use
[17:10] <p0a> tgm4883: wasn't referring to myself; someone said ubuntu doesn't mess with the BIOS and I thought that might be helpful
[17:11] <CableGuy> I'm pretty new to this whole installing thing when there is no instructions.
[17:11] <tgm4883> p0a: meh ok
[17:11] <p0a> leftyfb: `apt-get upgrade' link: https://pastebin.com/cm8NMFiN
[17:11] <p0a> tgm4883: meeeeeh :P
[17:11] <tgm4883> p0a: did you run 'apt update' ?
[17:11] <pankaj_> leftyfb: It is a laptop
[17:12] <leftyfb> p0a: sudo apt-get clean ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:12] <pankaj_> leftyfb: Before I used to take out the battery and tyen try again. IT WORKED BUT NOW IT DOES NOT
[17:12] <p0a> leftyfb: thank you
[17:12] <oerheks> CableGuy, it is a 32 bit blob from 2008 .. https://sourceforge.net/projects/balcomp/files/?source=navbar find a better project, or build it from source
[17:12] <tgm4883> pankaj_: what laptop...
[17:13] <pankaj_> leftyfb: toshiba satellite c850
[17:13] <p0a> leftyfb: I take it I should always run that sequence then
[17:13] <leftyfb> p0a: you should always do an update first, yes
[17:13] <oerheks> when i start it, it complains about#  ./gebc  -> ./gebc: error while loading shared libraries: libpng.so.3: cannot open shared object file
[17:13] <CableGuy> any suggestions on a newer project? a google search only pulls up this one and some built for windows.
[17:14] <tgm4883> pankaj_: getting into the bios of that laptop when fast boot is enabled seems to be a common problem
[17:15] <leftyfb> but still nothing to do with ubuntu
[17:15] <Aperture> Hey there o/
[17:15] <tgm4883> leftyfb: +1
[17:15] <p0a> Aperture: hello
[17:16] <p0a> Another question: I get CPU#2 soft lock errors sometimes when I halt the machine
[17:16] <pankaj_> leftyfb: I was building linux from scratch abd when i ran a package requirement check i niticed that some packages like make, m4, gcc , g++, yacc etc does not come pre installed in ubuntu as compared to other linux destros. Why?
[17:16] <p0a> Searching online, some people recommend replacing the power supply. Is that what I should do?
[17:17] <leftyfb> pankaj_: they are part of the "build-essential" package
[17:17] <ioria> p0a, for what ?
[17:17] <tgm4883> pankaj_: because most users don't need to compile things
[17:17] <p0a> ioria: to avoid these halting errors that stop the computer from halting
[17:18] <ioria> p0a, can you define 'halting errors', please ?
[17:18] <pankaj_> leftyfb: but is not that they are essential to open source.  Any ideas on what I should do?
[17:19] <p0a> ioria: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#16 stuck for 23s!
[17:19] <leftyfb> pankaj_: in ubuntu 16.04, awk is a link to gawk
[17:19] <p0a> ioria: that was from online. Mine says CPU#2
[17:19] <leftyfb> !op | TortoiseSvn
[17:19] <ioria> p0a, oh, i see
[17:19] <ioria> p0a, it's an old machine ?
[17:19] <tgm4883> pankaj_: and again, they are not required for most users
[17:19] <pankaj_> ioria: i also had same problem when i did not know how to do that or may be some other problem.
[17:20] <ioria> p0a, it's an old machine ?
[17:20] <p0a> ioria: :( don't say that out loud, it might hear you
[17:20] <pankaj_> leftyfb: yes but not in 18
[17:20] <p0a> ioria: sorry - just kidding. Yeah it's kind of old.
[17:20] <ioria> p0a, :)  like what ?
[17:20] <leftyfb> pankaj_: there is no "18". You might be referring to Ubuntu 18.04
[17:21] <pankaj_> leftyfb: yes i was referring to same
[17:21] <ioria> p0a,  and what your kernel   ? uname -r
[17:22] <leftyfb> pankaj_: if you want to change it, run sudo update-alternatives --config awk
[17:22] <p0a> ioria: 4.13.0-36-generic, it's about 9 years old
[17:22] <leftyfb> pankaj_: btw, LFS is in no way supported here.
[17:22] <ioria> p0a,  also your kernel is old ....
[17:22] <ioria> p0a,  are you on xenial or artful ?
[17:23] <p0a> ioria: sorry, I don't know how to update it. I thought maybe apt-get takes care of it
[17:23] <pankaj_> leftyfb: ok i will see
[17:23] <leftyfb> pankaj_: if you install gawk, it will set it as default
[17:23] <p0a> ioria: I'm on lubuntu if that's what you're asking
[17:23] <ioria> p0a,  cat /etc/issue
[17:24] <p0a> ioria: Ubuntu 17.10
[17:24] <p0a> (I had forgotten that xenial/artful refer to major releases)
[17:24] <ioria> p0a,  then you kernel should be <IP_ADDRESS>.44
[17:24] <ioria> p0a,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:24] <pankaj_> leftyfb: I was curious to know if this package management that i was talking haa something to do with canonical proprietary regime. I saw an youtube video clip of richard stallman talking about proprietary stuff of ubuntu
[17:25] <p0a> ioria: thanks!
[17:25] <leftyfb> !ot | pankaj_
[17:25] <ioria> p0a,  ok, and reboot to make it in use
[17:25] <leftyfb> pankaj_: please take that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:25] <p0a> ioria: why doesn't `upgrade' take care of the kernel?
[17:26] <p0a> ioria: so the full-upgrade is there in case users don't want to go all the way with upgrades?
[17:26] <ioria> !dist-upgrade | p0a
[17:27] <pankaj_> leftyfb: ok. In the mean time i was trying a trick to make bios appear but it did not work out. Do you have any advice on this?
[17:27] <p0a> !upgrade | p0a
[17:27] <Aperture> Can I ask my question again?
[17:27] <leftyfb> pankaj_: keep trying, try #hardware or read the documentation on your hardware
[17:28] <Aperture> So I screwed my partition table somehow when resizing partitions, and now whenever Ubuntu boots, I get dropped to a BusyBox (initramfs) prompt. Any ideas on what I should do?
[17:28] <p0a> ioria: seems 4.13 is installed. here I go... (restarting)
[17:28] <pankaj_> leftyfb: ok
[17:28] <p0a> ioria: thanks for the help
[17:28] <ioria> p0a,  no prob
[17:29] <Looan> https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5
[17:30] <Aperture> there's also an "ALERT! /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!!" message right before this
[17:30] <leftyfb> Looan: can we help you with something?
[17:32] <Mutter> Someone can help me with beryl cube?
[17:33] <leftyfb> Mutter: beryl isn't a thing anymore AFAICT
[17:35] <Mutter> Afaict? What is that?
[17:35] <leftyfb> as far as I can tell
[17:36] <leftyfb> Mutter: you can play with the cube affect by enabling "desktop cube" using compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:37] <Mutter> Compiz??? Omg what is that?
[17:39] <Mutter> My last distro was feisty
[17:39] <Aperture> guess I'll uh
[17:39] <leftyfb> Mutter: what are you running now?
[17:39] <Aperture> ask in a different channel
[17:39] <qsqsqsq> what application are not installed in minimal installation of ubuntu 18.04
[17:42] <Mutter> I’m running gutsy gibbon
[17:43] <leftyfb> Mutter: trolling is offtopic
[17:44] <[Kid]> anyone have multipath setup and working in 18.04?
[17:44] <[Kid]> i am able to see paths and they are ready, but if i try to mount the friendly name it says mount path busy
[17:44] <Mutter> Hey man !! Im not trolling
[17:45] <Mutter> I want to install The cube like a beryl
[17:46] <leftyfb> Mutter: I told you how to do it. Mutter you also claim to run a distro which was unsupported over 10 years ago. Come back when you actually want help with Ubuntu.
[17:46] <Mutter> Compiz or whaterver
[17:48] <Mutter> So what? What distro do You recomended?
[17:49] <leftyfb> Mutter: ubuntu.com
[17:49] <Mutter> Ubuntu ok
[17:49] <Mutter> Or xface
[17:49] <Mutter> Ok
[17:50] <Mutter> Thanxs
[17:50] <Mutter> Mint....
[17:55] <bunnyman13> Hey all
[17:55] <tomreyn> AquaL1te: see ubuntu_archivemirrors_https at https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts
[17:57] <s10gopal> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Ubuntu "bionic" 18.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz (2.66GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11.3 GiB Total (10.6 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 13.1 GB / 136.1 GB (123.0 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 520 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 27m 22s
[17:57] <krytarik> ...
[17:57] <leftyfb> s10gopal: please don't do that
[17:57] <s10gopal> sorry ,
[18:01] <kostkon> s10gopal, you are forgiven
[18:01] <shakes808> Hello everyone,  I just updated to 18.04 and now my laptop freezes up frequently.  I have looked at top and system monitor and nothing seems to be using up my resources.  any suggestions?
[18:03] <s10gopal> in communitheme , system monitor gui is not working properly , how to report it ?
[18:04] <ioria> shakes808, freezes how ?
[18:05] <shakes808> computer just locks up and i have to force restart it
[18:06] <ioria> shakes808, fresh install ? proprietary drivers in use ? using default gnome-shell on xorg ?
[18:06] <tomreyn> AquaL1te: output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nJFGsyZQmX/
[18:06] <s10gopal> ioria, sometime this happen with me too , and sometimes it also happens while restarting , black screen with some logs like starting deaom , services etc
[18:06] <shakes808> ioria: I had 16 LTS and upgraded to 17 and then 18
[18:06] <shakes808> Correct
[18:07] <kostkon> !reisub | shakes808, this is a safer way to recover from situations like yours, it works most of the time
[18:07] <bunnyman13> from my understanding there was a lot of issues that was released with 18.04
[18:08] <ioria> s10gopal, system monitor is ok with community theme
[18:08] <s10gopal> can i get a list of applications which are not installed in minimal installation of ubuntu 18.04 please
[18:08] <clakes> \\q
[18:08] <clakes> whoops
[18:08] <s10gopal> ioria, i will upload a screenshot
[18:09] <s10gopal> ioria, where to upload ss ?
[18:13] <s10gopal> ioria, https://imgur.com/a/Uu6hNwv
[18:13] <CableGuy> having an issue installing a ballistics program
[18:14] <CableGuy> sourced from: https://sourceforge.net/projects/balcomp/?source=typ_redirect
[18:15] <CableGuy> using the slack12 tar.gz
[18:15] <CableGuy> have not found any instructions other than it needs a libpng3
[18:15] <CableGuy> can anyone help
[18:16] <kino> hi
[18:16] <kino> is here kittykatt
[18:17] <s10gopal> !rules
[18:17] <kino> fff
[18:17] <s10gopal> !rules | kino
[18:17] <kostkon> kino, you've taken a wrong turn
[18:17] <kino> ok
[18:17] <kino> i dont do that animore
[18:17] <kostkon> kino, go eastwestnorthsouthish
[18:18] <kostkon> kino, good
[18:19] <matjam> !compile | CableGuy
[18:19] <chanikan> I did something, to make my ubuntu ask me for the keyring password every time I log in.  By default it didn`t do this.  I`ve googled it and it claims it is hasardous to remove this feature, however, on a clean install it doesn`t ask for it.  Therefor it should be possible to safely remove it somehow, right?
[18:19] <matjam> CableGuy: ubuntu is not slackware, so its unsurprising a 10 year old binary won't work on ubuntu. It's also not something packed with ubuntu, so it's unlikely you'll find support here for that software.
[18:20] <TortoiseSvn> leftyfb: What the hell man?
[18:20] <CableGuy> I've tried 3 different versions of it the same software...I just need a little help on the install is all
[18:21] <s10gopal> chanikan, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/07/disable-unlock-login-keyring-ubuntu-13-04/
[18:22] <matjam> CableGuy: #ubuntu is for ubuntu-related support questions, this is a problem that isn't related to ubuntu supported software, so this isn't the appropriate place to ask for help with that software, sorry.
[18:23] <matjam> !offtopic | CableGuy
[18:23] <rud0lf> please help. when i initiate bluetooth connection from blueman-applet on pc with headphones, it works fine (pulseaudio shows new output device), but when headphones (on power-on) initiate connection, no audio output device appears in pa, although both blueman-applet and headset says it's connected, and "pactl list cards short" shows bluetooth card
[18:23] <rud0lf> i need to manually disconnect and reconnect with blueman-applet
[18:24] <rud0lf> is there a dbus signal or another way i can send to pulseaudio to refresh its status?
[18:24] <matjam> rud0lf: I don't know the answer to that but if you wait a while, someone might have a suggestion.
[18:24] <CableGuy> so then...what you're saying is that even though it was compatble with and built for older ubuntu versions I am SOL here
[18:24] <rud0lf> matjam: thank you, i will wait patiently
[18:24] <matjam> CableGuy: it's not an ubuntu supplied and supported software.
[18:25] <matjam> you can go to #ubu ...
[18:25] <matjam> fine.
[18:25] <ioria> s10gopal, and it works correctly if you change the theme ?
[18:26] <s10gopal> ioria, yes
[18:26] <ioria> s10gopal, works perfectly here
[18:26] <ioria> s10gopal, what version of gnome-system-monitor ?
[18:28] <chanikan> thank you for the response s10gopal, I`m using lubuntu but now I got the right idea, so I should be able to google fu it I think
[18:29] <viju> Can I upgrade from 16.04 to the 18.04?
[18:29] <ioria> chanikan, look for keyring.default file  (i don't recall the exact location)
[18:31] <s10gopal> ioria, how to check version dpkg -l gnome-system-monitor returns nothing
[18:31] <ioria> s10gopal, dpkg -l  | grep system-monitor   (unless you 're using a snap)
[18:33] <s10gopal> ioria, nothing
[18:34] <ioria> s10gopal, sudo snap list
[18:34] <s10gopal> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2x8fMKV4tM/
[18:34] <s10gopal> ioria, 3.26.0
[18:35] <ioria> s10gopal, as i said, you're using a snap
[18:35] <s10gopal> ioria, it is default
[18:35] <ioria> s10gopal, i don't remember that (maybe); report to snap dev
[18:36] <ioria> s10gopal, i don't have it
[18:36] <s10gopal> ioria, can i get a list of applications which are not installed in minimal installation of ubuntu 18.04 please
[18:36] <ioria> !info gnome-system-monitor
[18:37] <s10gopal> why mine gnome is outdated ?
[18:37] <ioria> s10gopal, i'd remove that snap and get the official one
[18:38] <ioria> s10gopal,  what you mean with minimal installation  ?  mini.iso ?
[18:39] <s10gopal> ioria, no , option in ubuntu installer
[18:39] <ioria> s10gopal,  ah, the new feature ...  not tried so far
[18:40] <ioria> s10gopal,  inimal Ubuntu install containing a desktop environment, a web browser, some core system tools, and little else
[18:41] <s10gopal> ioria, but how to compare which package are present in full install and which are not present in min install ?
[18:42] <ioria> s10gopal,  why compare ?
[18:42] <en1gma> im running 18.4 lts x86_64 desktop. default install and desktop. if i have two seperate terms open and click the icon a little window pops up and shows my two terms
[18:42] <en1gma> is there a way to make those terms in that window larger so i can see more
[18:42] <TortoiseSvn> Goodbye leftyfb i hope you find your hot fox or panda furry lover soon
[18:42] <TortoiseSvn> leftyfb: dont be afraid of who you are.
[18:43] <s10gopal> en1gma, try to open that term window then press ctrl + p , ( i am no sure ) then save it as pdf
[18:43] <s10gopal> then read it
[18:44] <ioria> s10gopal,  we are talking about   80 packages missing , no more
[18:46] <ph88^> when is does ubuntu 18.04 get kernel 4.16 ?
[18:46] <ph88^> -is
[18:47] <en1gma> https://youtu.be/oQ3ysaNxhyA
[18:47] <en1gma> resize that area...
[18:47] <rud0lf> i have a tiny issue and i don't know when to look for config files.. when headset bluetooth connects, there are 3 profiles possible: HSP, A2DP, and Disabled. And the last one, disabled, is default. Can i change it so it will select A2DP upon connection?
[18:48] <rud0lf> every time i pair headset, i need to open blueman and change audio profile.. not a big issue but still silly and iritating
[18:48] <s10gopal> #ubuntu-kernel | ph88^,
[18:49] <s10gopal> en1gma, if click is not working then it is bug , try alt + tab
[18:50] <s10gopal> ioria, thx
[18:50] <brainwash> ph88^: never
[18:50] <s10gopal> glitch*
[18:57] <en1gma> i do not want to select and goto that window
[18:57] <en1gma> i want both windows to be bigger when not selected
[18:57] <en1gma> where i can pick either one but dont pick nothing
[18:58] <en1gma> in the video i want to grab the sides or corner to expand. you cant see me doing that?
[19:07] <mm302> hello, on the ReportingBugs page looks like I cannot report a system crash
[19:11] <kostkon> !details | mm302
[19:11] <tomreyn> mm302: which ubuntu version? in /var/crash/ do you see a .crash file where the file name matches the time when you rebooted after the system crash?
[19:13] <ioria> mm302, and should be automatic if you press 'Report', unless you disabled  it in Privacy
[19:13] <mm302> ubuntu18, sometimes when I lock my laptop, then later I unlock it, after login, x server freezes. nothing I can do other than restarting (Ctrl+Alt num> doesn't work
[19:14] <ioria> mm302, that's not a 'crash'
[19:14] <mm302> I have nothing in /var/crash but I saw a strange line in syslog after PM: suspend entry (deep)
[19:14] <tomreyn> !reisub | mm302
[19:14] <mohamed_> hi
[19:15] <mm302> thanks, why do you think this is not a crash?
[19:15] <ioria> mm302, because it tells you
[19:17] <ioria> mm302, and you have a report under /var/crash
[19:18] <ph88^> =j #ubuntu-kernel
[19:18] <ph88^> =j #ubuntu-kernel
[19:18] <ph88^> =j #ubuntu-kernel
[19:18] <mm302> you mean it's not an automatically detected crash
[19:18] <Flannel> ph88^: /j
[19:18] <ioria> mm302, i mean could be a bug, not a 'crash'
[19:19] <ioria> mm302, basically you can't unlock ?
[19:19] <mm302> if I don't have other way than powering off, that's a crash to me
[19:19] <ioria> ok
[19:19] <ioria> mm302, tell us more about your settings
[19:21] <mm302> in the syslog I see: May 19 17:25:41 lenovo kernel: [24424.690665] PM: suspend entry (deep)
[19:21] <mm302> ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
[19:22] <ioria> mm302, that  looks like a log corruption ... so it's about suspend ?
[19:22] <mm302> ok thanks anyway, I don't know for sure why that happened, I thought I would report it, it may depend on my laptop or X server maybe who knows
[19:23] <ioria> mm302, super + l
[19:25] <pankaj> For some work I need 2.11 version of glibc. Is their any apt command that can install that older version or do I have to build it or any advice please?
[19:25] <leftyfb> pankaj: Is this on LFS?
[19:27] <pankaj> leftyfb: Yes. I need glibc 2.11 because later version have not been tested. Is there any apt command to do that safely?
[19:28] <leftyfb> pankaj: LFS is not supported here
[19:31] <pankaj> leftyfb: Cannot you just tell how to downgrade the package safely. Now say it is also related to lfs.
[19:31] <RoadRunner> how is 18.04 diff from 16.04 that GParted doesn't work with it?
[19:31] <ioria> pankaj, you could install lucid in vm
[19:32] <ioria> RoadRunner, because probably you login in the wayland session
[19:33] <pankaj> ioria: Is it the standard way in ubuntu or is their any other easy way via ubuntu default installation tool?
[19:33] <RoadRunner> ioria: please explain what that means
[19:33] <leftyfb> ioria: pankaj is running Linux From Scratch. Not ubuntu.
[19:33] <ioria> leftyfb, ah, ok
[19:33] <ioria> pankaj, scratch that
[19:34] <pankaj> leftyfb: This time I am running ubuntu and not lfs. I installed ubuntu to install lfs but I am asking ubuntu question.
[19:34] <pankaj> ioria: I am on ubuntu.
[19:34] <ioria> lol
[19:35] <ioria> RoadRunner, gparted is ok (as always) on bionic
[19:35] <leftyfb> pankaj: lsb_release -a
[19:36] <RoadRunner> ioria: gparted fails to shrink an ext4 partition in a new install of 18.04
[19:37] <ioria> RoadRunner, what it says ? details
[19:38] <RoadRunner> ioria: doesn't say nothing, just indicates  the min partition size to be same as max part size
[19:38] <ioria> RoadRunner, it thought you meant 'id does not start'
[19:38] <RoadRunner> starts fine, but doesn't shrink
[19:40] <ioria> RoadRunner, it's umounted, right ?
[19:42] <RoadRunner> no... I thought that was only needed when you ran into a problem on an older install. I could grow a mounted partition before, but to shrink must always be unmounted?
[19:43] <oerheks> basicly: yes
[19:43] <pxc2> I have a filesystem which contains a systemd unit linked into /etc/systemd/system, and it appears that systemd is loading before the filesystem is mounted. How can I add it to my initial ramdisk? I've already added the x-initrd.mount option to the relevant filesystem in /etc/fstab and run the Debian update-grub helper but that doesn't seem to have made a difference
[19:43] <ioria> RoadRunner, what kind of partition is ?  not root i hope
[19:43] <pxc2> is that option something only dracut does anything about? I've been googling around but I can't for the life of my find the documentation that says how to get filesystems mounted during the initial ramdisk on Ubuntu
[19:44] <pxc2> *for the life of me
[19:44] <RoadRunner> ioria: default ext4 install
[19:44] <RoadRunner> ie: only one partition in that scheme
[19:44] <ioria> RoadRunner, paste sudo parted -l
[19:45] <RoadRunner> leme power on that box, a few mins...
[19:45] <ioria> RoadRunner, you cannot shrink root ; you need a livecd
[19:46] <RoadRunner> ioria: but growing is still fine for a mounted part, right?
[19:47] <ioria> RoadRunner, idr , maybe but not safe; but you said shrink
[19:48] <oerheks> you never could grow/shrink a partition that is mounted ( before)
[19:48] <RoadRunner> oerheks: sorry, I did... under 16.04
[19:49] <RoadRunner> grow that is
[19:50] <ioria> sill waiting ...
[19:50] <RoadRunner> the bugger booted into poor res... sorry
[19:51] <ioria> Wile E. Coyote
[19:55] <pankaj> leftyfb: Distributor ID=ubuntu
[19:55] <pankaj> leftyfb: Description: 18.04 LTS
[19:55] <pankaj> leftyfb: codename bionic
[19:55] <leftyfb> pankaj: please use pastebin
[19:55] <pankaj> leftyfb: release 18.04
[19:56] <RoadRunner_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QHMKCx8B5q/
[19:57] <pankaj> leftyfb: These were some details. Now, please tell me how to install glibc 2.11. I checked synaptic but it is not supported (I think)
[19:57] <pankaj> leftyfb: OK
[19:58] <leftyfb> pankaj: if you install an older version of glibc on Ubuntu, you're going to severely damage it
[19:59] <RoadRunner> ioria: the above paste should show you everything you need; sorry for the delay :)
[19:59] <pankaj> leftyfb: But what then should I do. I need glibc version 2.11. Is their any way?
[19:59] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=glibc .. *what* needs glib 2.11 ?
[19:59] <leftyfb> pankaj: why do you think you need glibc version 2.11? Nothing officially supported in Ubuntu requires glibc 2.11
[20:00] <oerheks> it is so old, not even op https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/  anymore
[20:01] <pankaj> leftyfb: Consider that if someone wants an older version of any application. In that case what should the person do if that version is available but just not supported by ubuntu.
[20:02] <pankaj> leftyfb: https://ptpb.pw/BZSG
[20:03] <leftyfb> pankaj: what you are doing, since you're being so elusive about it, is not supported in Ubuntu. I still believe you are running LFS and just trying to get help with it here
[20:03] <matjam> RoadRunner: Ioria left
[20:04] <pankaj> leftyfb: You just tell me that whether it can be done or not (And you can ask me any question in case you are not sure whether I am using ubuntu this time or not and I will surely answer: Whether it be a commnad).
[20:05] <RoadRunner> matjam: good to see you again :), I take it, you'll confirm everything your collegues said here earlier?
[20:05] <matjam> I've not been paying attention
[20:07] <matjam> RoadRunner: if you're trying to shrink your root filesystem, boot from a USB stick and shrink it with gparted there.
[20:08] <oerheks> matjam, he is talking about a spare 80 gb disk with one partition; and wonders why it need to be unmounted before risize
[20:08] <oerheks> c/resize
[20:08] <matjam> yeah you need to unmount that before messing with it
[20:08] <matjam> I don't think online resize of any ext filesystem has ever been supported
[20:09] <oerheks> jups, filesystems in use by the os  cannot be unmounted, but that is just a detail
[20:09] <matjam> at least, you can grow a filesystem but not shrink it
[20:10] <RoadRunner> matjam: that was my question, thanks :)
[20:11] <RoadRunner> btw, had problems booting 18.04 from live usb (live cd was fine) tried diff sticks and on diff comps, any idea why?
[20:13] <matjam> RoadRunner: make sure you use the right tool to make the usb stick; ubuntu usb-creator-gtk works well, there's tools for windows and macos too.
[20:13] <matjam> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/
[20:14] <matjam> unetbootin for example does it the wrong way, and you'll have problems booting with it
[20:16] <RoadRunner> I used unetbootin, didn't have issues with it bfr, or with earlier ubuntu versions...
[20:16] <RoadRunner> but I'll try the tool you suggested
[20:17] <matjam> yes, thats your problem then. I know this, because I had the same problem.
[20:17] <luxio> good ol' `dd` should work
[20:17] <luxio> on Windows I use rufus
[20:17] <matjam> luxio: boot block etc is different for a CD vs a USB drive
[20:18] <matjam> Rufus is the recommended tool for Windows to make a bootable USB stick
[20:18] <RoadRunner> matjam: so unetbootin is know  to have issues with new u/xubuntu's?
[20:18] <matjam> since at least 16.04
[20:19] <matjam> https://askubuntu.com/questions/758658/creating-a-usb-media-using-unetbootin-isnt-recognized-as-booting-media
[20:20] <matjam> luxio: I think dd might work actually but using rufus or startup disk creator is the "supported" way
[20:20] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: I've had success using win32diskimager as well
[20:20] <matjam> SlidingHorn: I think that just is basically the same as dd
[20:21] <RoadRunner> almost too many to choose from, is there a concensus on the one tool that' bullet proof  for diff distros and yet is easy to use (ideally gui)?
[20:23] <matjam> on ubuntu, use startup disk creator (usb-creator-gtk), on windows, use rufus
[20:24] <mpatate> Hi
[20:25] <mpatate> I'm a noOb on linux and I am trying Ubuntu Mate wich is pretty good for my usage. But I have make a little mistake :P
[20:26] <RoadRunner> ok, another problem out of the way :) ; now, back to partitioning: for general purpose computing under 18.04, what partitioning scheme would you recomend?
[20:26] <mpatate> I touch something and the wifi signal, the battery porcentage, the bluetooth icon disapear (near the time)
[20:26] <mpatate> Where can I put them back ?
[20:26] <luxio> mpatate: what version of ubuntu are you using
[20:27] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: Either let Ubuntu set it up for you, or select the "/home/ on a separate partition" option
[20:27] <luxio> oh nevermind
[20:27] <matjam> RoadRunner: I make a 2GB ext4 /boot, 2GB swap, the rest is btfs for /
[20:27] <mpatate> the last ubuntu mate, 18.04
[20:27] <mpatate> (on windows, this is the notification zone)
[20:29] <RoadRunner> matjam: when you say "a 2GB ext4 /boot" do you mean a lvs setup?
[20:29] <bitess> 2gb /boot is a little excessive. :P
[20:29] <matjam> RoadRunner: I don't use LVM. I rarely feel the need for it on a desktop unless I'm going to use whole disk encryption.
[20:30] <matjam> bitess: probably. But I end up being lazy and its nice having a few kernels around
[20:31] <bitess> that's enough for a few dozen kernels :P
[20:31] <RoadRunner> matjam: has the issue with old kernel accumulation been resolved under 18.04?
[20:31] <matjam> I don't think its an issue? you just do apt autoremove and they go away
[20:32] <ericx2x> v
[20:32] <matjam> mpatate: I don't know exactly as I don't use MATE but I'm firing up a VM to have a look. I think...
[20:32] <matjam> damit
[20:33] <ads20000> mpatate: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/support is a good place for Ubuntu MATE support aaaand he's gone :(
[20:33] <ads20000> *they've gone
[20:33] <RoadRunner> matjam: unless its your client that doesn't remember or know cli...; now only 3 kernels should be retained by defualt after an update, right?
[20:34] <matjam> RoadRunner: you know I don't know.  Please be nice and don't post such thing.
[20:37] <ericx2x> sorry my computer shutdown on me and I lost the chat..
[20:39] <Doktor> oh sorry, I have to ask a question here, right?
[20:39] <Doktor> Why is Linux so bad?
[20:39] <jeremy31> Doktor Or are you here to get banned?
[20:40] <RoadRunner> SlidingHorn: what is the advantage of having /home on a sep partition?
[20:40] <leftyfb> Doktor: linux is a kernel.  I am back to Windows.   I will never ever use this not working shit ever again. thanks for listing. bye
[20:42] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: makes it easier if you're, for instance, using multiple distros, distro-hopping, or simply upgrading often, as your personal files are kept separate and accessible from different systems
[20:42] <Lory> helo i I'm looking for girl for knowledge
[20:42] <Butterfly_> why girl ?
[20:42] <SlidingHorn> Lory: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[20:42] <wodencafe> um wat
[20:43] <SleePy> Hi, Upgrading to 18.04 from 16.04, during a review process to fix a config file in /etc, the upgrade process crashed.  Trying to restart apt dist-upgrade fails because apt is still running.  Doing a "screen -Dr" tells me: Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 777.
[20:44] <SleePy> I'm thinking the error is clear, but also thinking why do I need to  chmod 777 as root :\
[20:44] <RoadRunner> SlidingHorn: when you mean distro hopping, would that work only for Debian based distro's or not necessarily?
[20:45] <SlidingHorn> SleePy: Well, the LTS > LTS upgrade isn't supported until July when the .1 release comes out, but what do you mean by "restart apt dist-upgrade", and what made you run the original upgrade attempt in screen?
[20:45] <SlidingHorn> RoadRunner: no, you could access the /home/ partition and keep your personal files across any distro (e.g. arch, fedora, debian, etc.)
[20:46] <Flannel> SlidingHorn, SleePy: not "supported" as in "probably works but may have stability issues", but it should still work.
[20:46] <SleePy> SlidingHorn: I don't remember activating a screen session, but must have been in one
[20:46] <matjam> do-release-upgrade would be the right thing to use
[20:46] <SleePy> SlidingHorn: I've upgraded about 5 other systems with no issues from 16.04 to 18.04.  Just random crash while editing a config file to resolve a conflict
[20:46] <Flannel> SleePy: Is this a console-instigated upgrade, and were you using apt or do-release-upgrade?
[20:46] <SleePy> I used the do-release-upgrade -d
[20:47] <matjam> SleePy: did you make a note of the ssh thing it mentions at the beginning
[20:47] <SleePy> Comparing the /var/run to a working 18.04, I see the directory on it is drwxrwxrwt while the one i'm upgrading is drwxrwxr-x
[20:47] <matjam> you can ssh to that special port and reconnect with the upgrade session
[20:47] <SleePy> matjam: I didn't loose SSH access
[20:47] <Flannel> SleePy: If I remember correctly, that'll start a screen session or an ssh session so it doesn't tank if you disconnect.
[20:47] <Flannel> SleePy: and now that I think about it, starting an SSHd doesn't make any sense.
[20:48] <RoadRunner> SlidingHorn: would config files for diff apps not be different under diff distro's?
[20:48] <Flannel> SleePy: I remember it mentioning that in the console, but let me look to see if I can find any actual documentation on it.
[20:48] <SleePy> I did: chmod o+wt /run/screen/
[20:49] <SleePy> Seems to make screen happy, but the screen session was not running apt :\
[20:49] <leftyfb> SleePy: kill the currently running dpkg process and continue on with the upgrade. You could try running do-release-upgrade again or just apt-get dist-upgrade.
[20:50] <SleePy> Well I'm nervous about killing a running dpkg process :\
[20:50] <SleePy> I can find it though with a : ps aux | grep "[d]pkg"
[20:51] <leftyfb> SleePy: ok, try the upgrade again. Note the error if you get one
[20:51] <hggdh> upgrade logs should be under /var/log/dist-upgrade
[20:51] <SleePy> Your thinking kill the dpkg process and restart it, hoping that nothing breaks
[20:51] <leftyfb> SleePy: Since you cannot get back to the screen session, there's no recovering the dpkg process. anyway.
[20:52] <Flannel> SleePy: Try `screen -list`, you may have more than one screen session to reattach to.
[20:52] <eelstrebor> !topic
[20:53] <SleePy> Well there is /run/screen/S-root/byobu.reload-required
[20:53] <SleePy> But screen -Dr wont reattach me
[20:53] <Flannel> What about explicitly specifying it?
[20:54] <SleePy> tried: "screen -r /run/screen/S-root/byobu.reload-required"  no luck
[20:54] <Flannel> what about that same thing with -d
[20:54] <Flannel> (although I agree, probably no joy)
[20:54] <SleePy> Bad session name 'run/screen/S-root/byobu.reload-required'
[20:55] <SleePy> 533 0 -rwx------ 1 root root 0 May 19 13:32 /run/screen/S-root/byobu.reload-required
[20:55] <SleePy> Well I tried everything to get it back.  Just got to kill it I guess :\
[20:55] <Flannel> SleePy: dpkg tends to be pretty robust.  If you kill it, you may have to `dpkg cofigure -a` to make it consistent, but it'll figure itself out from there.
[20:55] <Flannel> SleePy: Oh, wait.
[20:56] <Flannel> SleePy: You need to reattach with whatever is in screen -list
[20:56] <SleePy> root@Poseidon:~# screen -list
[20:56] <SleePy> No Sockets found in /run/screen/S-root.
[20:57] <Flannel> ok, then yeah, probably not recoverable.
[20:57] <SleePy> I google byobu and it shows up about tmux stuff.  I've never used it before.  Better read me a man page
[20:57] <RoadRunner> matjam: what are the advantages of having sep boot and swap partitions?
[20:58] <leftyfb> SleePy: to reattach to byobu, you just type byobu
[20:59] <matjam> RoadRunner: grub has an option to remember the last chosen item but if you enable it, it can't write to btrfs
[20:59] <SleePy> Hmm, that wasn't running anything either.  Oh well killing dpkg now
[20:59] <eelstrebor> is it safe to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 via apt instead of a fresh install?
[21:00] <matjam> also if there is a filesystem problem with /, having a separate /boot will get you to fsck
[21:00] <tgm4883> eelstrebor: via apt? no
[21:00] <eelstrebor> ok
[21:00] <SleePy> And "dpkg --configure -a" picked it up and going again.
[21:00] <Flannel> eelstrebor: There is a process, do-release-upgrade, but it's recommended you wait until 18.04.1 (but it should work fine)
[21:01] <SleePy> Good thing this is just one of my VMs at home.  Not a real production system.  Which is why I was upgrading them to 18.04.  As who cares :D
[21:01] <eelstrebor> ok. i need openssl 1.1 but there isn't a pkg for 16.04 - that's why i'm upgrading
[21:01] <matjam> SleePy: so, it won't remove unnecessary packages
[21:02] <Flannel> eelstrebor: Yeah, there is a supported upgrade path, but before it's rolled out to everyone, they wait for a few months for 18.04 to settle down.  You can upgrade early if you'd like.
[21:03] <RoadRunner> matjam: please explain further re grub and btrfs?
[21:03] <eelstrebor> Flannel, ok. i guess i'll roll back to mainline kernel 4.16.3 since i can't get the newer kernel headers to install without openssl 1.1
[21:04] <Flannel> eelstrebor: or just upgrade to 18.04
[21:04] <eelstrebor> well, let's hope that i don't crash my server
[21:05] <SleePy> Always have backups!
[21:05]  * eelstrebor is doing that now
[21:06] <eelstrebor> 2 TB drives take awhile to backup
[21:06] <matjam> RoadRunner: its just a idiosyncrasy of my particular preferred setup.
[21:08] <RoadRunner> matjam: sorry if I didn't fully understand your answer..., I think I got the sep boot part but not the advantage for a sep swap partition
[21:09] <SleePy> Thanks for the help.  Finished up, rebooted and all seems good.
[21:10] <matjam> swap is always a separate partition
[21:10] <matjam> I mean you could make a swap file if you wanted but by default the installer will make a partition.
[21:12] <kangaroo72> Hi ... I'm in trouble to connect wlan in Ubuntu 18.04 (mini.iso)
[21:13] <RoadRunner> matjam: didn't happen in my case  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QHMKCx8B5q/