[01:12] <fta> BUGabundo, plop
[01:21] <jcastro> fta: I'm seeing a bunch of complains about chromium stopping working
[01:21] <jcastro> any idea?
[01:21] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1647463
[01:21] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/17986/chromium-stopped-working
[01:23] <fta> jcastro, not enough info in there: the 2nd one found the problem btw
[01:23] <jcastro> oh awesome, that wasn't there when I linked it
[01:23] <jcastro> nice!
[01:24] <fta> jcastro, the 1st one is used v10, so it's the daily, or -dev, not the official stable
[01:25] <jcastro> ah ok, I'll go ahead and get the word out
[01:25] <fta> jcastro, with v9+, i'm aware of issues on gmap sucking all the memory. workaround is to add --disable-accelerated-compositing to /etc/chromium-browser/default
[01:26] <fta> until it's fixed i mean
[01:26] <fta> iirc, it's off in v8
[01:26]  * jcastro nods
[01:27] <fta> grr, sftp://people.ubuntu.com is dead today
[01:27] <fta> i should find a better host for the chromium translations
[01:31] <fta> jcastro, btw, they should enable apport and report those. i'm not sure i'll be able to fix any of those but my hooks provide enough info to at least link an upstream bug
[01:31] <jcastro> oh ok, I can add that
[01:31] <fta> oh, there's also the infamous libmoon crasher
[01:31] <jcastro> I've heard of that one
[01:31] <fta> if both moon and icetea are installed, boom
[01:32] <fta> it's easy to see with my hooks ;)
[01:33] <fta> jcastro, btw, anoyone complaining about translations?
[01:33] <jcastro> I've seen nothing but praise and admiration
[01:35] <fta> jcastro, starting with the next daily, new langs should now be visible immediately, like asturian, basque, galician, etc.. it's never been tried before so i'm curious to see reports of success or failures
[01:35] <jcastro> man this will be sweet
[01:36] <fta> jcastro, as i said to dpm before, it's now an almost instant reward for translators, the could check their work in the next build
[01:36] <jcastro> yeah
[01:37] <jcastro> dude you need a blog
[01:37] <jcastro> fta: who have you been working on on the google side?
[01:42] <fta> jcastro, code: no one. i've asked a ton of questions, got a few answers from Evan and Tony Chang. I'm also working with Mikhail Naganov to refresh the inspector template (dead for 2y) and ship the translations (so far, it's not translated anywhere)
[01:43] <fta> jcastro, my stuff is mostly guess work, reading sources, failing, and experimenting again and again
[01:44] <fta> jcastro, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head/annotate/head%3A/chromium2pot.py
[01:44] <jcastro> fta: so they don't have like a dpm-equivalent?
[01:44] <fta> jcastro, no
[01:44] <jcastro> shame
[01:44] <jcastro> fta: have spot or any other distro checked out the work?
[01:45] <fta> jcastro, no news of spot in months, So far, I've heard of mandriva and chromium-os interested by this initiative
[01:46] <jcastro> fta: hey, is apport on by default in natty?
[01:46] <jcastro> I just realized the forum post is on the natty forum, so their apport should be on right?
[01:47] <fta> jcastro, no sure, i had to enable mine in /etc/default/apport
[01:47] <fta> not sure
[01:48] <jcastro> yeah I always modify it too, so I'm not sure what's default
[01:48] <jcastro> I'll ask someone on monday I guess, off for the weekend, have a good one!
[01:49] <fta> thanks, you too
[01:51] <fta> BUGabundo, yt?
[14:18] <BUGabundo> fta: chromium broken again with certs
[14:18] <BUGabundo> upgrading to latest version, testing and filing if still there
[14:24] <fta> BUGabundo, hm, wfm here, my own servs, lp..
[14:25] <BUGabundo> net::CertVerifier::Verify (this=0x0, cert=0x7ffffb1bc2c0, hostname=..., flags=1, verify_result=0x7ffffab06748, callback=0x7ffffbfa1198,
[14:25] <BUGabundo>     out_req=0x7fffdcc78628) at net/base/cert_verifier.cc:300
[14:25] <BUGabundo> 300	net/base/cert_verifier.cc: No such file or directory.
[14:25] <BUGabundo> 	in net/base/cert_verifier.cc
[14:25] <BUGabundo> reprocible
[14:25] <BUGabundo> seesmic.com
[14:26] <fta> BUGabundo, https://seesmic.com/ wfs, but i didn't try to login, just browse
[14:27] <fta> wfm i meant
[14:28] <BUGabundo> waiting for upgrade to finish and get a full bt with all threads
[14:28] <BUGabundo> handle SIGPIPE nostop
[14:28] <BUGabundo> thread apply all bt
[14:29] <fta> BUGabundo, i ended up installing adobe reader for android, it's better than that ThinkFree Office i had by default
[14:30] <fta> BUGabundo, but i'd like something to like a gallery for the pdf, my filenames often suck
[14:30] <fta> -to
[14:31] <BUGabundo> let me see what I can get you
[14:33] <fta> BUGabundo, i set up a rsync folder between my main desktop and my tablet, so i can easily transfer stuff when i'm on wifi (over ssh)
[14:33] <fta> no need to burn my 3G quota for that
[14:33] <BUGabundo> that's not my definition of "easy"
[14:33] <BUGabundo> more of geek
[14:35] <fta> BUGabundo, it's easy enough for me :) i just had to pass a ssh key, now, it's just one tap away to sync the folder
[14:36] <fta> BUGabundo, my tiny cloud :)
[14:36] <BUGabundo> dropbear?
[14:36] <fta> BUGabundo, no
[14:36] <fta> there was only one result for rsync in the market
[14:37] <BUGabundo> dropbear is a tiny SSH server
[14:37] <BUGabundo> fta: beamreader or documents2go
[14:37] <fta> i know, i have that in my squeezebox radios
[14:38] <BUGabundo> fta: http://android-pt.com/yet-another-great-job-of-protecting-a-sgs-gor FAIL
[14:40] <fta> i hate those free trial apps, grr
[14:40] <fta> looks like the windows world
[14:40] <BUGabundo> lololol
[14:40] <BUGabundo> buy them then
[14:40] <fta> nahh
[14:44] <fta> BUGabundo, do you know how i can have a full size greader? the mobile version sucks
[14:44] <fta> well, the app
[14:45] <BUGabundo> app or browser?
[14:45] <BUGabundo> change the browser agent
[14:45] <BUGabundo> enter: about:debug
[14:45] <fta> app if possible
[14:45] <BUGabundo> then settings, agent and change to desktop
[14:45] <BUGabundo> the app does not show any other view
[14:49] <BUGabundo> fta: why apps never crash when you are logging them!?!?
[14:49] <BUGabundo> ggrrrrrrrrrr
[14:52] <fta> how do i hide the browser toolbar? in vertical mode, it's 20% of the screen
[14:52] <BUGabundo> what?
[14:52] <BUGabundo> mine auto hides
[14:53] <BUGabundo> and its just a small bar
[14:53] <BUGabundo> please take a screenshot
[14:56] <BUGabundo> fta: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/snap20101218_145426.png http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/snap20101218_145243.png
[14:58] <fta> BUGabundo, tried the full version (keeping the UA unchanged), it doesn't work well, i can't scroll
[14:58] <BUGabundo> yeah I know that
[14:59] <BUGabundo> I've reported it
[14:59] <BUGabundo> no feed back
[15:03] <fta> i reported encoding issues once, never heard back from them either
[15:04] <fta> same for feedburner
[15:05] <fta> hm, it's snowing here in Paris
[15:15] <stevecoh1> I have a question about secure email.
[18:50] <fta> jcastro, hey, what blogging system/platform do you recommend? i used to want my own instance but i no longer care. just need something flexible enough
[18:50] <jcastro> I use tumblr because it's really simple, however it's been having reliability problems lately
[18:50] <jcastro> most people I know just use wordpress on wordpress.com (it's free)
[18:50] <jcastro> if they don't want to host their own wordpress I mean
[19:00] <fta> ok, thanks
[20:15] <fta> BUGabundo, what are you using for identica on android?
[20:16] <BUGabundo> status.net, my server, brainbird.net
[20:16] <BUGabundo> with mustard
[20:17] <fta> BUGabundo, no widget?
[20:19] <BUGabundo> yes, there's one
[20:20] <fta> i just see an app
[20:22] <BUGabundo> add the widget
[20:25] <fta> where is it?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> desktop, long press, widget, mustard
[20:30] <fta> BUGabundo, oh, ok. i meant a feed widget
[20:31] <BUGabundo> it has none
[20:31] <BUGabundo> file a wish bug, please
[20:32] <fta> BUGabundo, i have one by default, but it's twitter/facebook/myspace only
[20:33] <BUGabundo> bbl


[22:22] <FlozuzMozuz> hello
[22:24] <FlozuzMozuz> robbiew are you out of athens?
[22:56] <FlozuzMozuz> is anyone active in this room?
[22:57] <mrand> FlozuzMozuz: sometimes
[22:57] <FlozuzMozuz> seems like a low number of ubuntu users in texas


[12:55] <jelkner> kjcole: morning kevin, please give me a ring...
[01:00] <kjcole> jelkner, i called. got voice mail.
[01:00] <jelkner> what is your number?
[01:00] <kjcole><PHONE_NUMBER>
[01:05] <kjcole> showtime?
[01:06] <kjcole> janew, ping?
[01:10] <kjcole> jelkner, you're  gone...
[01:13] <JaneW> ack!!!
[01:13] <JaneW> hello
[01:14] <JaneW> meeting totally slipped my mind!
[01:14] <JaneW> where has the week gone?
[01:14] <JaneW> and where is my reminder?
[01:14] <flint> ...coffee...must get coffee...
[01:14] <kjcole> hiya
[01:15] <JaneW> who is here
[01:15] <JaneW> hi flint
[01:15] <flint> good morning campers! hi jane and kevin!
[01:16] <JaneW> kjcole & jelkner as promised we can start with doc news today
[01:17] <flint> Congradulationis Jane how many in grade 1? 2?
[01:17] <JaneW> s/s
[01:17] <JaneW> make that ONE KID
[01:18] <kjcole> JaneW, I just got off the phone with Jeff.  He usually has to cut out early from these meetings and because we're starting late, he's left it in my clumsy hands.  Oops. I dropped it.
[01:18] <flint> I will rat them out.  they have been hauling compuers all weekend and have made no progress. :^)
[01:18] <JaneW> kjcole: so you want to shoot, or defer?
[01:18] <JaneW> is ogra here?
[01:18] <kjcole> Defer.
[01:18] <ogra> JanC, yup
[01:18] <JaneW> kjcole: :P
[01:18] <JaneW> hi ogra
[01:19] <JaneW> ok the doc team aren't talking, so you are up
[01:19] <ogra> still fighting with the flight 3 announcement
[01:19] <flint> damn...they actually have made a whole lot of progress!
[01:19] <JaneW> cool
[01:19] <ogra> we have flight 3
[01:19] <JaneW> is flight 3 done?
[01:19] <kjcole> (Long and short of it is we didn't meet last weekend for books, as we were meeting to gather and redistribute lots of computers.)
[01:19] <JaneW> do you need help with the announcement?
[01:19] <JaneW> I can help
[01:19] <ogra> yes, since two days, i'm really late with the announcement
[01:19] <JaneW> kjcole: ok thanks, you still on track though?
[01:19] <JaneW> ogra: what needs to be done?
[01:19] <ogra> (you know we have UVF tomorrow ;) )
[01:20] <kjcole> janew, I believe so.
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: congrats on meeting another milestone :))
[01:20] <ogra> :)
[01:20] <JaneW> ogra: yes so it would be good to get the announcement out today still
[01:20] <flint> ollie, i read about the flights etc... is this more than just another build or what?
[01:20] <ogra> JaneW, yup... lets do it after the meeting
[01:21] <JaneW> btw Thin Client Local devices is now officially deferred for Dapper
[01:21] <ogra> flint, yes
[01:21] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[01:21] <ogra> flight CDs are tested for basic installability
[01:21] <flint> gotcha, I should download and test at f3?
[01:21] <ogra> drawbacks and known bugs in flight Cds are noted in the install notes
[01:22] <ogra> so you shouldnt get bad surprises if you try them
[01:22] <ogra> ok
[01:22] <jelkner> ogra: how does the flight concept align with alpha and beta?
[01:22] <flint> definately congradulations are in order ollie
[01:22] <ogra> i have mostly done ubuntu work to prepare for UVF this week apart form the flight CDs
[01:22] <jelkner> great work, olllie!
[01:23] <ogra> so i have not much to tell this week
[01:23] <ogra> local devices are officially deferred, but i'm just working on the latest ltspfs and ltspfsd packages, so we have the base for it in universe
[01:24] <jelkner> great
[01:24] <ogra> it should be no problem to follow the ltsp.org docs to set local device support up in a classic way with the packages from universe+
[01:24] <flint> ollie, I know that this is a pain, but can you paste in the url for the f3 iso?
[01:24] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/
[01:24] <flint> thanks
[01:25] <ogra> this flight Cd has sound support ... :)
[01:25] <ogra> (for thin clients that is)
[01:25] <flint> I intend to give this a try...
[01:25] <ogra> i'm currently discussing the advantage of switching from bash to a smaller shell with mdz
[01:25] <ogra> that might get us near the 32MB ...
[01:25] <ogra> (for clients)
[01:26] <flint> cutting ram usage in half?
[01:26] <ogra> nah
[01:26] <ogra> we are at 48MB
[01:26] <ogra> and it gets hard to get lower now ...
[01:26] <JaneW> hi jelkner
[01:26] <ogra> the kernel and initramfs already take more than 32MB
[01:27] <jelkner> JaneW: hi jane!
[01:27] <flint> how much ram would be saved?
[01:27] <JaneW> jelkner: flights are pre alpha and beta, we'll actually have a beta-proper before this release
[01:27] <ogra> i have a initramfs patch pending that supresses all harrdisk mosules that might get us less than 32MB for kernel and intramfs ...
[01:27] <ogra> for the shell change i cant predict any values yet
[01:27] <JaneW> jelkner: which is a first for us
[01:28] <flint> good morning jeff!  you and kevin should talk about docs and the secondary processor market...
[01:28] <ogra> my main concern with the shell stuff was speed, using less ram is a sideeffect
[01:29] <Kamion> jelkner: I'd say flight =~ alpha
[01:29] <JaneW> the idea is that the flights (or collective noun for release creature) are milestones withint the dev cycle to weed out issues and check-point progress
[01:29] <ogra> in other news i now own 5 thin clients
[01:29] <ogra> so testing ius easier ....
[01:29] <JaneW> like a dev->test->dev->test cycle
[01:29] <flint> interesting, something like say "ash" woudl improve speed over say "icewm"?
[01:29] <Kamion> JaneW: yeah, alpha's a reasonably conventional term to use to describe the milestone points in such a process
[01:29] <ogra> jelkner, yes, beta is the release candidate (which we actually call beta release this time iirc)
[01:30] <Kamion> no, we'll be calling the preview release "beta"
[01:30] <Yagisan> ogra: can we have our own -OS compiled kernels to save space ?
[01:30] <Kamion> release candidate is release candidate :)
[01:30] <ogra> ah, yes
[01:30] <ogra> i didnt scroll down :)
[01:30] <ogra> Yagisan, nope
[01:30] <ogra> Yagisan, not officially
[01:31] <Yagisan> ogra: well, it was a nice idea while it lasted
[01:31] <flint> elkner, there is actually an entire explanation of this flight for dapper thing on an ubuntu web site, let me see if i can find it.
[01:31] <ogra> but the initramfs patch that i initially had to do because powerpc couldnt boot will slim down a lot
[01:31] <JaneW> Kamion: thanks
[01:31] <JaneW> jelkner: what Kamion said!
[01:31] <ogra> Yagisan, you wont gain mauch with a customized kernel ...
[01:32] <ogra> Yagisan, the big piece here is the collection of modules ...
[01:32] <ogra> so initramfs has an option to suporess unneeded ones ...
[01:32] <jelkner> Kamion, yes, thanks!
[01:33] <Yagisan> ogra: I was just interested in if the optimise for size option would help
[01:33] <ogra> Yagisan, it might ... but we wont get separate kernels and you wont gain as much with a smaller kernel as you can with a slimmed down initramfs
[01:34] <jelkner> JaneW: same time next week?
[01:34] <jelkner> i've gotta run...
[01:34] <JaneW> jelkner: yes please
[01:34] <jelkner> thanks
[01:34] <JaneW> jelkner: and cookbook update then please
[01:34] <JaneW> if you can
[01:34] <JaneW> ciao
[01:35] <jelkner> yes, and we will have stuff to report
[01:35] <jelkner> can we put that on the agenda for the start of the meeting?
[01:35] <ogra> oh, i'm at a conference this weekend ... its from a project thats sopnsored by the european union ...
[01:35] <jelkner> ciao
[01:36] <ogra> they want to build their school and usermanagement software on top of knoppix and ubuntu it seems (klaus knopper is there as well)
[01:36] <ogra> #seems its fulls paied by the EU
[01:36] <ogra> and has a good backing ...
[01:36] <flint> cool...I am ready to immagrate back to the mother country...I want a sane government!
[01:37] <ogra> heh
[01:37] <flint> shake klaus' hand for me ollie
[01:37] <ogra> it was initially gpl, then made proprietary, and became gpl again now ...
[01:37] <ogra> will do
[01:37] <ogra> originally developed on and for SuSE
[01:38] <flint> btw the site for the flight narrative is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/faq search for word flight.
[01:38] <ogra> but the EU and the people driving this project are *very* intereasted having it run on debian based systems ...
[01:38] <ogra> (mainly edubuntu and knoppix)
[01:38] <flint> where would this be?
[01:39] <ogra> it installs workstations from isos on the fly (even from windows isos)
[01:39] <ogra> looks very intresting
[01:39] <flint> where geographically is the conference?  near you?
[01:39] <ogra> thats about 100km southern of my place, near the belkgian border
[01:39] <ogra> trier is near
[01:40] <JaneW> ogra: sounds good
[01:40] <flint> Trier?  never been there...
[01:40] <ogra> JaneW, yes, mark was very intrested that i go there
[01:40] <flint> are they in the middle of the moodle schooltool thing yet
[01:41] <ogra> nope they are way bigger
[01:41] <flint> what is the name of what they want for a management software thing?
[01:41] <ogra> its a management system for whole schools and universities
[01:41] <ogra> including user as well as system and software management
[01:41] <ogra> platform independent for the client architecture
[01:42] <ogra> i have no clue ... had no time yet to look at it ...
[01:42] <ogra> we are near UVF and i shouldnt ever chat here to get the last packages in ;)
[01:42] <kjcole> ogra,  sounds like  an  ambitious system.
[01:42] <flint> ogra, this is beginning to sound too good to be true.  be tolerant Ollie.
[01:43] <ogra> yes, i'll look up the urls for you and send it to the ML
[01:43] <flint> thanks.  Now that I think about it Bush vs Eurocrats...tough call eh Jane?
[01:44] <ogra> pfft bush ...
[01:44] <flint> exactly!!!!
[01:44] <ogra> how long has he left in this period ?
[01:44] <ogra> he'll be gone soon ...
[01:45] <flint> please, he can do a lot more damage
[01:45] <ogra> true ...
[01:45] <kjcole> ogra, say that and  we'll bring "freedom and democracy" to your country too! so be afraid.  ;-)
[01:45] <ogra> lol
[01:45] <flint> excellent kevin
[01:45] <flint> lol indeed
[01:46] <ogra> hey, we have "neckless angie" .... she'll manage :P
[01:46] <flint> ok we got the flight 3 in our sights.
[01:46] <JaneW> ogra: don't talk about jbailey's wife like that! :P
[01:46] <flint> ouch that is funny about your new pm!
[01:47] <ogra> JaneW, *she* has a neck :)
[01:47] <JaneW> does anyone want to volunteer as minutes atker for these meetings?
[01:47] <JaneW> I don;t mind the job, but I never seem to manage to get it done anymore
[01:48] <ogra> flint, flight 3 is old news already :)
[01:48] <JaneW> and the Ubuntu Dapper Report takes a big chunk of my time currently
[01:48] <flint> i know that, jeff did not.
[01:49] <ogra> flint, yes, because i suck at timely announcements ;)
[01:49] <flint> JaneW, what is involved?
[01:49] <ogra> flint, see the MeetingNotes page on the wiki
[01:50] <ogra> flint, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords
[01:50] <flint> i did not even know there was a meeting notes page!
[01:51] <flint> ogra, thanks
[01:51] <JaneW> flint: liar!
[01:51] <JaneW> flint: sorry I mean Alzheimers!
[01:52] <flint> do not worry I will likely forget that remark :^)
[01:52] <ogra> lol
[01:52] <ogra> oh, i need artwork still !!
[01:52] <ogra> nearly forgot about that
[01:53] <JaneW> flint: but yes basically taking salient meeting notes/decisions and adding them to: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecords
[01:53] <JaneW> oh yes
[01:53] <ogra> the artwork packages currently lets you select the age, but has 3 times the same design :)
[01:53] <JaneW> ogra: list what you need, I'll nag silbs again
[01:53] <JaneW> wallpaper, splash, and  gdm theme?
[01:53] <JaneW> ogra: you got icon sets?
[01:54] <ogra> we can keep the young design i think (another wallpaper might be fine) so what i need is mid age and older age
[01:54] <ogra> i wanted to take the default icon theme for the two older flavours
[01:54] <flint> as a consultant and the authorized representative of beazulbub, prince of falsehood, let me look into the notes thing...
[01:55] <ogra> so we'd only need wallpaper and splash screen artwork
[01:57] <ogra> did somebody tell elkner that we are using malone exclusively now ?
[01:57] <kjcole> ogra, nope but it's pretty obvious when one goes to bugzilla...
[01:57] <ogra> oh, damned, i also wanted him to take a look at pida #
[01:58] <kjcole> ogra, pida?
[01:58] <ogra> its a cool python IDE i could imagine for main inclusion
[01:58] <ogra> eh, and i did forget, gobby is in !! ( JaneW ")
[01:58] <flint> pida yaide neat! is it in universe?
[01:58] <ogra> yup+
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: oh yay, I noticed your discussion with pitti in the dapper meeting last week
[01:59] <ogra> but it looks like its easy to get to main ...
[01:59] <JaneW> it looked promising
[01:59] <kjcole> ogra, ah.  I know he's talked to Stani of SPE fame, and Stani's modified SPE to  be more Ubuntu-friendly
[01:59] <flint> the only down side of gobby is that it sorta needs a server for school-to-school
[01:59] <ogra> spe is totally broken
[01:59] <ogra> and UVF is tomorrow
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: did you look at Quim's reckommeded app Dasher?
[01:59] <ogra> i doubt that will be fixed in time
[01:59] <JaneW> spe?
[01:59] <ogra> its an editior
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: what are our issues for UVF?
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: are we asking for any exceptions this time?
[02:00] <ogra> JaneW, yes, dasher is a input tool for handhelds that was adopted by the a11y people
[02:00] <ogra> JaneW, nope
[02:00] <kjcole> JaneW, SPE = Stani's Python  Editor which includes a lot of wxpython capability and i gather shows a lot of promise...
[02:00] <JaneW> ogra: does it makes sense for us to look at it for uni and/or Dapper +1?
[02:00] <ogra> ltsp development can go on until feature freeze, we dont need exceptions
[02:00] <JaneW> yay
[02:01] <JaneW> ogar: I am PROUD OF YOU
[02:01] <ogra> kjcole, we wont accept awxpython in main i think
[02:01] <JaneW> and anyone who may have helped you.
[02:01] <ogra> kjcole, so SPE is not an option
[02:03] <flint> I thought that pycard was wx.
[02:04] <flint> na, it is gtk
[02:04] <ogra> pida is also for pygtk and has a direct glade interface for gazpacho ...
[02:05] <kjcole> Naturally, when learning GUI stuff for Python, I went with wx... :-(
[02:05] <ogra> its like idle on steroids with fresh design
[02:07] <ogra> and it supports embedding of different editors in the IDE ... you are not bound to the shipped one but can select emacs or vim ...
[02:07] <flint> never fooled with gazpacho mostly playing with Scite
[02:07] <ogra> that brings me an idea ...
[02:07] <ogra> i'll ask upstream if he likes to include gobby support ;)
[02:08] <kjcole> ogra, now  there's a wild and crazy idea.  I *LIKE* it!
[02:08] <flint> ogra, ollie, what we need in gobby space is a server that can take gobby sessions and connect htem...
[02:09] <flint> one really cool hack would be to connect them to xchat...
[02:09] <ogra> flint, the current version supports that
[02:09] <kjcole> flint, like a gobby daemon that doesn't have to be started by any individual, but just sits and listens...
[02:09] <ogra> and gobby brings a chat itself ...
[02:09] <flint> supports a connection via xchat?  your kidding...
[02:09] <ogra> nope, a dedicated server
[02:10] <flint> kjcole, exactly  it is a gobby catcher, the users gobbys are the pitchers...
[02:10] <kjcole> flint, i'm going to dist-upgrade docbox  if that's the case. ;-)
[02:11] <flint> ogra, a dedicated server?  indeed.  kjcole use the development box and have at it.
[02:11] <ogra> i dont know how to set it up, i only know its included
[02:11] <ogra> sobby is the name iirc
[02:12] <flint> ogra, kjcole and I had a time with gobby, i ended up xsessioning into his box to use it.  most slow.
[02:12] <flint> ogra, sobby eh?  I will look into it.
[02:12] <ogra> but that was 0.2.0
[02:12] <ogra> we have 0.3.0 now
[02:13] <ogra> should have improved a lot
[02:13] <flint> they call it an obby server why leave off the "g"?
[02:14] <flint> anyway, i am gonna get some coffee.  I will be on but upstairs with a cup in my hand for a few minutes...
[02:15] <ogra> hmm, btw, why wasnt the edubuntu meeting on the fridge ?
[02:15] <ogra> my evolution pulls the webcal from there and notifies me ...
[02:15] <ogra> JaneW, ??
[02:16] <kjcole> i gotta  run to work,
[02:17] <JaneW> ogra: yes I got no reminder either
[02:17] <sivang> ogra: pida is in python I guess?
[02:17] <ogra> sivang, yup
[02:17] <ogra> sivang, pygtk
[02:17] <sivang> very cool
[02:17] <ogra> and finally a IDE that embeds vim
[02:18] <sivang> were you talking about which editors to include for python in Edubuntu ?
[02:18] <kjcole> ogra,  any idea  how to get  korganizer  to pull the calendar automatically?  I end up downloading  it an importing it, but would like a  better way.
[02:19] <ogra> kjcole, nope, no idea, in evo you just add the webcal url and it updates automatically
[02:19] <ogra> but i dont touch KDE stuff if i dont need to
[02:20] <ogra> sivang, its likely to late to include it for dapper, but i want the people to test heavily since we will change the software selection  in dapper+1
[02:20] <kjcole> ogra that may be enough  info  to go on. thanks.  (I figured something  like that, but wanted to be sure it wasn't too obscure in  evolution.)
[02:20] <sivang> ogra: specifically for python editors, or change the whole software selection for Edubuntu ?
[02:21] <kjcole> and   i'm outa here.   bye!
[02:21] <ogra> in evo you just add a new calendar and tell it to pull the webcal address ...
[02:21] <sivang> bye kjcole
[02:21] <ogra> sohould be similar in KDE
[02:21] <ogra> sivang, we'll see
[02:22] <ogra> first point i want people to be aware of all the stuff thats there and make suggestions on the ML for a new selectin
[02:22] <ogra> after thats done we'll see how much demand is there
[02:23] <ogra> dapper+1 is still some months away
[02:23] <sivang> yes, true
[02:29] <JaneW> 3 months to be exact
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, mhz is nagging about a new summit ...
[02:32] <flint> ogra, summits can be fun.
[02:33] <JaneW> mdz: I think we may be able to schedule one after Dapper releases
[02:33] <JaneW> likely not before
[02:33] <flint> JaneW, an excellent thought
[02:33] <JaneW> sabdfl will want to see how we do on this release forst and if we keep the momentum going
[02:34] <flint> well, we have done what we can to keep him entertained, that is for certian.
[02:35] <flint> the good news from here is that my test capability is about to start and will with f3.
[02:36] <flint> and for all the posturing about the cookbook, the boys are actually making good progress on docbox
[02:37] <flint> one idea that has survived in my altzheimers inflicted brain is that of matching the style of the cookbook with the graphic style of the product.  do you recall that one janeW?
[02:38] <JaneW> flint: yup
[02:38] <JaneW> flint: meaning gartoon theme etc?
[02:39] <flint> well, that said I thought I saw you refering to different graphics for different levels in this meeting. eh?
[02:39] <flint> whatever is in f3 is what i will agitate the cookbook mafia to go with.
[02:40] <flint> what is a gartoon theme? (I'm a doctor jim, not a graphic artist :^)
[02:41] <flint> JaneW, ok I got it it is a gnome theme...
[02:42] <JaneW> flint: after ppl saying edubuntu was too naive looking and aimed at only 6-10 y/o kids we agreed to do
[02:42] <JaneW> 1) Young as per current but with different wall paper
[02:42] <JaneW> 2) Older appealing to 10-15 y/o
[02:42] <flint> yea, that's it.  that's the ticket.  will this be the same at all levels of system use?
[02:43] <JaneW> 3) Generic plain and simple look, less distracting and resource intensive and possibly for tertiary edu use
[02:43] <flint> JaneW, the question then is can that three level demarcation be continued in the cookbook?
[02:43] <JaneW> how?
[02:44] <JaneW> the cook book is not specific to any of the choices
[02:44] <JaneW> but we should perhaps depict the selections in the cook book
[02:44] <flint> JaneW, like the intro and fundamental stuff is in graphic 1 style and so on...
[02:44] <JaneW> nah I think select one and be consistent
[02:45] <flint> JaneW, kidnap note typography forever!
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: ping ^^^
[02:45] <flint> JaneW, i will get back to you via mail about notes... later this week.
[02:46] <JaneW> flint: awesome thanks
[02:46] <flint> ogra, you asleep?
[02:47] <flint> the gauledette community of deaf folks sign off with "stop key stop key" or sksk, I would like to adopt this convention here.
[02:47] <flint> later, sksk
[02:49] <ogra> nope, my line is shaky
[02:51] <JaneW> ogra: * JaneW has to go, we have just over an hour, and an announcement to get out...
[02:51] <JaneW> JaneW ogra: ping ^^^
[02:56] <ogra> JaneW, a minute please, my line is dropping all the time ...
[02:57] <ogra> JaneW, better now
[02:57] <JaneW> ogra: ok
[03:38] <Yagisan> \sh: I see you also replied to debsecan
[03:39] <Yagisan> bah - wrong window


[00:13] <redneckJEDI> hello, first time user here. have stoopid question.
[00:14] <redneckJEDI> 1) am i in a chat room and is anybody there?
[00:14] <shauno> you are, we are
[00:14] <redneckJEDI> fantastic.  i might not suck at this!
[00:15] <redneckJEDI> question will follow the preceeding line:
[00:15] <redneckJEDI> sudo ldapadd -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -f backend.example.com.ldif
[00:15] <redneckJEDI> what in the WORLD does EXTERNAL -H do?
[00:18] <redneckJEDI> i ask at the risk of exposing my noobish skill.  :)
[00:19] <shauno> I have precisely zero exposure to ldap, so all I could do is parrot the man page; but generic advice would be that if no-one replies, wait around a while - people do peek it, but not on a constant basis
[00:19] <redneckJEDI> understood, thank you
[00:20] <shauno> but I would check "man ldapadd" to see how it explains what -Y and -H are expecting  (I don't have it installed).  it's always a good start
[00:20] <redneckJEDI> maybe EXTERNAL is part of the internal working of LDAP because the man pages don't show up for EXTERNAL explicitly.  must be buried in another man page
[00:20] <redneckJEDI> will do that.  maybe i missed something
[00:21] <redneckJEDI> your inspiration is much appriciated
[00:35] <mgw> I'm building a package. Depending on the order of dh_installinit and dh_installdeb, the /etc/ files are either always updated or never updated. What I want is for dpkg to ask whether to replace if and only if both files have changed. I thought this was default behavior for conffiles. Any suggestions?
[03:17] <Guest83103> hi, how do i enable anon delete on my ftp server? im running vsftpd
[03:19] <Guest83103> hello?
[03:23] <cfhowlett> Guest83103, greetings
[03:23] <cfhowlett> Guest83103, can't answer, but you were seen ...
[03:24] <Guest83103> damn
[03:24] <Guest83103> im trying to add a website to my apache server via ftp
[03:24] <Guest83103> not going so good man
[03:24] <Guest83103> but i figured out how to edit the default apache page so i got that going for me
[03:25] <Guest83103> i got this domain for .50 cents man www.thatonecomputergeek.com
[05:40] <villf> hey guys im having some issues with my ubuntu server, i upgraded my server and now every time i boot i get this
[05:40] <villf> http://www.picpaste.com/photo_1-MXWtKCUT.JPG
[05:40] <villf> http://www.picpaste.com/photo_2-wWifVpea.JPG
[05:41] <villf> http://www.picpaste.com/photo_3-zEY2DWCE.JPG
[05:41] <villf> can any one help me or guide me on how to get my server to boot normally and not in degraded raid mode?
[05:47] <hitsujiTMO> villf: are you on a live cd now?
[05:48] <villf> no i am booted in degraded mode
[05:49] <hitsujiTMO> villf: what type of raid?
[05:49] <villf> i believe its raid10 software raid
[05:50] <villf> i think i was first getting a md10 not found error before, but now i have the option to boot in degraded raid mode
[05:50] <hitsujiTMO> villf: ok. can you boot a live cd
[05:50] <villf> okay brb
[06:06] <villaf> im booted in live cd now
[06:07] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: ok: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[06:07] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: dmesg | pastebinit && pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[06:09] <villaf> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[06:09] <villaf> Reading package lists... Done
[06:09] <villaf> Building dependency tree
[06:09] <villaf> Reading state information... Done
[06:09] <villaf> E: Unable to locate package pastebinit
[06:09] <villaf> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[06:10] <villaf> says unable to locate package pastebinit
[06:11] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[06:14] <villaf> hitsujiTMO , i pmed you the result
[06:14] <villaf> E: Unable to locate package pastebinit
[06:15] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: i can't see pms. can you enable the universe repo please. then try again
[06:15] <villaf> im sorry im rather inexperianced how do i enable universe repo?
[06:18] <villaf> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) universe"
[06:19] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877358/
[06:19] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877359/
[06:22] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: seeing serious errors straight away: [    4.992198] EXT4-fs (sdb1): bad geometry: block count 244192478 exceeds size of device (262144 blocks)
[06:22] <hitsujiTMO> [    5.084152] EXT4-fs (sdd1): bad geometry: block count 244192478 exceeds size of device (262144 blocks)
[06:23] <villaf> is there any way i can somehow clone the data off that raid onto 1 500gig ssd drive?
[06:23] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: i presume none of the drives are attached via usb?
[06:24] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: usb issues: [  195.436267] hub 4-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1.  Maybe the USB cable is bad?
[06:24] <villaf> i have two 2 tb usb 3.0 drives attached to the server now, internally i have 4 500 gig sata drives
[06:24] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: which drivers are involved in the raid?
[06:25] <villaf> you mean drives? i think all four 500 gig western digital drives
[06:25] <hitsujiTMO> drives*
[06:25] <villaf> raid 1-0 or raid 10
[06:26] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: ok. sudo fdisk -l 2>&1 | pastebinit
[06:26] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877376/
[06:28] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd]1
[06:28] <villaf> sudo: mdadm: command not found
[06:29] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo apt-get install mdadm
[06:29] <villaf> ever since i ran update of ubuntu this issue appeared
[06:31] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: then once its installed: sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd]1
[06:32] <villaf> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install mdadm
[06:32] <villaf> Reading package lists... Done
[06:32] <villaf> Building dependency tree
[06:32] <villaf> Reading state information... Done
[06:32] <villaf> The following extra packages will be installed:
[06:32] <villaf>   postfix
[06:32] <villaf> Suggested packages:
[06:32] <villaf>   procmail postfix-mysql postfix-pgsql postfix-ldap postfix-pcre sasl2-bin
[06:32] <villaf>   dovecot-common postfix-cdb postfix-doc
[06:32] <villaf> am i supposed to be installing postfix?
[06:32] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: no harm. it wont actually be used
[06:33] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: or: sudo apt-get install mdadm --no-install-recommends
[06:38] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877451/
[06:39] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd]2 | pastebinit
[06:39] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877455/
[06:40] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: are you missing b in that last one?
[06:41] <villaf> ?
[06:41] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: are you missing b here? its missing from the output: sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd]2 | pastebinit
[06:42] <villaf> mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/sdb2.
[06:42] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877474/
[06:42] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: ok. serous problems then
[06:43] <villaf> nice ;-/
[06:44] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: lsblk | pastebinit
[06:44] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877485/
[06:46] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sorry that last bit should be: sudo blkid | pastebinit
[06:46] <villaf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6877490/
[06:49] <villaf> any glimmer of hope?
[06:50] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2
[06:51] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: well, it looks like one of the mirrors might be intact at least, ans one of the md parts may not actually be used so it might be ok
[06:51] <villaf> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2
[06:51] <villaf> mdadm: no RAID superblock on /dev/sdb2
[06:51] <villaf> mdadm: /dev/sdb2 has no superblock - assembly aborted
[06:52] <villaf> i know my data is all there
[06:53] <villaf> im able to boot in degraded mode and run apache and web server and all
[06:55] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: might be best to recreate the raid0 on /dev/sda1 + /dev/sda2. then it my work.
[06:56] <villaf> how do i do that
[06:56] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: do you know what params were used to create the raid in the first place? is it documented?
[06:57] <villaf> i have no documentation
[06:57] <villaf> is there anyway we can tell if i boot it in degraded mode?
[06:58] <villaf> when booted in degraded mode i have access to the local filesystem
[06:58] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: not that i know of.
[06:59] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: if you come back in a few hours there's a few peeps that me be able to help better than i can.
[06:59] <villaf> is there anyway i can like mount the array in live cd
[07:00] <villaf> and clone the data onto a clean 500gig ssd?
[07:00] <villaf> and just boot from the ssd with no raid?
[07:01] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2
[07:01] <villaf> mdadm: /dev/md1 has been started with 2 drives.
[07:02] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo blkid /dev/md1
[07:03] <villaf> /dev/md1: UUID="49dc4e8e-6cff-4ace-9307-0278ca483289" UUID_SUB="987eb754-f646-5a97-ffe3-d0ba5f63df10" LABEL="server:10" TYPE="linux_raid_member"
[07:04] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm /dev/md2 /dev/md1
[07:04] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/md1
[07:05] <villaf> mdadm: An option must be given to set the mode before a second device
[07:05] <villaf>        (/dev/md1) is listed
[07:05] <villaf> mdadm: /dev/md2 has been started with 1 drive (out of 2).
[07:05] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sorry missed the option ^
[07:05] <villaf> yay! i see it
[07:05] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: sudo blkid /dev/md2
[07:05] <villaf> its mounted
[07:06] <villaf> /dev/md2: UUID="e506b79d-cd73-4d95-a61b-1ee3c169ad17" TYPE="ext4"
[07:07] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: ok. you would need to change partitions in fstab and the grub config in /boot (boot is in one of /dev/sd[abcd]1)
[07:08] <villaf> for the ssd?
[07:08] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: yup
[07:08] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: i have to sign off for a bit. good look
[07:08] <villaf> i have no idea how to do that
[07:09] <hitsujiTMO> villaf: get your data first anyway. thats the most important bit
[11:48] <psivaa> starting from 20140129, trusty server minimal installs for amd64 is ~37MB larger than the i386 ones.
[11:48] <psivaa> it is roughly 32MB overhead that is being used in the smoke tests.
[11:48] <psivaa> i could not find the package that started the bloat.
[11:48] <psivaa> dont know the significance either. but could adjust the smoke test if this is not a big issue
[11:49] <psivaa> jamespage: hallyn rbasak ^. just in case it interests you
[15:18] <hallyn> psivaa: you say "it is roughly 32MB overhead used i the smoke test" - not sure what yo umean by that.
[15:20] <psivaa> hallyn: i meant amd64 limit was 32MB more than that for i386 minimal installs, for install_size:
[15:20] <psivaa> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/server-tests-raring/view/head:/testsuites/minimal-virtual/test_install_size/test.py#L43
[15:45] <mgw> I'm trying to figure out why my files in /etc are not being treated as described here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#conffiles
[15:51] <ikonia> mgw: what do you mean ?
[15:51] <ikonia> what's not happening that you expect to happen
[15:56] <mgw> ikonia: depending on the order of dh_installinit and dh_installdeb, they're either always or never replaced
[15:57] <ikonia> do you mean existing files are not replaced ?
[15:58] <mgw> I think I figured it out, I think it was the order in the old package
[18:03] <sarnold> hallyn: is this error message from useradd expected? "useradd: /etc/subgid konnte nicht gesperrt werden; versuchen Sie es später noch einmal." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/1276714
[18:10] <hallyn> sarnold: hm, no;  did useradd previously hang or something?
[18:10] <hallyn> does /etc/subgid show up in /proc/locks?
[18:10] <hallyn> oh i see:  line above that says "useradd: existing lock file /etc/subgid.lock without a PID
[18:11] <sarnold> hallyn: oh cool! I've not seen /proc/locks before.
[18:12] <hallyn> sarnold: well i don't see anything in dmesg, but it sure looks like a previous usermod/userad mustve crashed
[18:12] <sarnold> hallyn: any idea what would lead to a crash in usermod/useradd?
[18:13] <hallyn> no.  i thought we were pretty well protected
[18:13] <sarnold> same here
[18:13] <hallyn> rechecking termlog
[18:14] <hallyn> well there is: adduser: »/usr/sbin/useradd -d /var/lib/nfs -g nogroup -s /bin/false -u 142 statd« gab den Fehlercode 18 zurück. Programmende.
[18:14] <hallyn> oh that came after the first lockfile
  cani reproduce?
[18:16] <sarnold> I haven't tried
[18:18] <hallyn> well this is messed up.  ec2 host cant' fidn any nfs packages
[18:21] <sarnold> hallyn: in a saucy VM I installed nfs-kernel-server without trouble. it obviously takes more than that alone..
[18:23] <hallyn> sarnold: yeah ditto.  also can'tn reproduce it with 'for i in `seq 1 10`; do sudo usermod -w 90000-99000 ubuntu'
[18:23] <sarnold> hallyn: well, alright, thanks for giving it a look. I'll keep an eye out to see if more like this show up..
[18:24] <hallyn> sarnold: now really i guess usermod should remove the empty lock file if it exists.
[18:24] <hallyn> sarnold: 'touch /etc/subgid.lock; usermod -w 99000-1000000 ubuntu' will never recover without manual intervention.  not sure if that's wanted
[18:25] <sarnold> hallyn: it feels like cleaning up after stale locks is expected these days, but I understand the hesitation..
[18:28] <hallyn> might be worth asking for his /var/log/syslog{,.*}
[20:31] <Underbyte> Quick question: when do the rules (conf files) for the cgrules and cgred daemon take effect? Do i need to restart my box? or will restarting the daemons suffice?
[20:34] <jrwren> not what I want to see on Ec2: Feb  5 20:33:22 heed-1 kernel: [84730.984521] apt-get[6130]: segfault at 7f9fff1dd154 ip 00007fa0004b41c9 sp 00007fff37c00f70 error 6 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7fa0003df000+121000]
[20:34] <sarnold> almost nothing requires restarting the whole machine -- kernel upgrades require it, libc upgrades mostly require it. Most evreything else could be done some way to not require reboot..
[20:34] <sarnold> jrwren: o_O odd.
[20:35] <sarnold> Underbyte: so, based on that, I think restarting the daemon should be sufficient :)
[20:35] <jrwren> sarnold: very odd. this makes me very sad.
[20:39] <jrwren> oh well, worked around
[20:41] <sarnold> kirkland: I thought you'd like this http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140205-entropy.html
[23:12] <kermit> how can i make apt install things without worrying about some unrelated broken dependancies?
[23:13] <sarnold> kermit: what do you mean?
[23:14] <bekks> kermit: if you do so, you would break your box.
[23:14] <bekks> kermit: dependencies and the unability to ignore them being broken saves you from breaking your box.
[23:15] <bekks> kermit: Whats the actual problem leading to your question?
[23:15] <kermit> not being able to install things with apt is fairly broken..  http://pastebin.com/M0RpwNVH    i dont want it to touch my pidgin setup, i want to keep the version i'm using.
[23:16] <sarnold> how on earth did you get your system so broken in the first place? o_O
[23:17] <bekks> o.O
[23:17] <bekks> Wow, that looks broken far beyond messed up pidgin deps.
[23:17] <sarnold> I mean, I can appreciate juts wanting to leave all that mess alone and getting bcrypt installed, but .. wow.
[23:20] <sarnold> kermit: my first thought it abusing the equivs package to build up some fake packages with matching version numbers, but .. I don't think that would work well, since you want the real packages installed.
[23:20] <sarnold> kermit: that'll be difficult to maintain.
[23:20] <sarnold> kermit: good luck :) time for me to run


[00:05] <Tm_T> !no, tor-gpg is <reply> freenode blocks connections from Tor users on its regular servers. Users registered with nickserv can connect to freenode's Tor hidden service instead; see http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor for instructions. For help, ask in #freenode.
[02:58] <ilovefairuz>  !ops was triggered twice
[03:09] <bazhang> seems like a simple misunderstanding
[03:18] <maco> there is a user in #ubuntu with the nick "peepingtom"  *blink blink*
[03:26] <bazhang> yikes
[03:27] <maco> so you remember the Lord-Nikon person earlier with the alsa v. oss thing?
[03:27] <bazhang> yep
[03:27] <maco> he went to #alsa and was complaining about something and said he was using Arch
[03:27] <bazhang> that was Murdox I believe
[03:27] <maco> so crimsun's like "oh ok well if you're an arch user you know how to apply a patch.. *whips up a patch* here you go!"
[03:28] <maco> and then he refusedto apply it
[03:28] <maco> and went all flouncy "i'll just go back to bsd!"
[03:28] <bazhang> master ban / kline evader murdox
[03:29] <maco> crimsun showed up to the loco meeting today complaining about this guy in #alsa ... and im like "oh yeah we had a guy in #ubuntu ...." "wait...was his nick...?"
[03:40] <IdleOne> xissburg has been trying to get this issue fixed since last night, I think we should let nUboon2Age finish helping him
[03:41] <bazhang> yeah
[03:42] <bazhang> the end of the xissburg era
[03:42] <bazhang> or is that epoch?
[03:44] <IdleOne> I realize it seems like a windows issue but it started with Wubi and they have to save the Win7 boot loader to get stuff resolved and running, little lattitude in this case I think is ok, besides think he will get any better help in ##windows
[03:44] <IdleOne> ?
[03:50] <bazhang> nah you're right
[03:50] <bazhang> everyone's a bit jumpy after the poker incident
[03:51] <IdleOne> poker?
[03:51]  * IdleOne ws offline for 30 minutes or so due to nvidia and 10.10
[03:53] <bazhang> the ops call a bit ago between bookman and ilovefairuz
[03:53] <bazhang> PM'd them all and it seems to have dissipated
[03:53] <IdleOne> oh ok
[15:28] <oCean_> Hi
[15:28] <oCean_> RogProg is spamming in #ubuntu
[15:31] <oCean_> ah well, he left just now.. with a promise <I_am_q> be back,..   apologize for the inconvininece!
[16:04] <bazhang> fb3 seems not to be warning about floods
[16:52] <bazhang> * [au_] (sam@2001:470:c281::3): SP wonder if that is murdox / fellow from yesterday
[16:54] <bazhang> Lord-Nikon iirc
[17:13] <ikonia> bazhang: isn't he banned ?
[17:14] <bazhang> ikonia, yes, but not 100% sure they are the same fellow
[17:14] <bazhang> dave@2001:470:1f04:f6b::f38f
[17:14] <bazhang> was Lord-Nikon
[17:15] <knome> cyberwolf82 / xeit / zlt @2001:470:802c:*
[17:16] <knome> *92
[17:16] <ikonia> that's a different subnet totally as I read IPV6
[17:16] <bazhang> sorry then.
[17:16] <ikonia> no no
[17:17] <ikonia> no need for that, I'm not %100 either, I'm only just starting to get my head around IPV6
[17:17] <bazhang> he was so easily able to ban evade just being cautious
[17:17] <knome> yeah, he said he starts to use his tunnels and i'm sure there's a way for him to change his ipv6 net
[17:18] <ikonia> what trolls say and what they can actually do, often do not add up
[17:18] <knome> no, but he did change the subnet yesterday already
[17:18] <ikonia> eg: Panarchy used to threaten to get around ban's and take the channel down, he could do neither
[17:18] <bazhang> true
[17:19] <knome> he did seem to know *something* :)
[17:19] <ikonia> best thing I can suggest is keep an eye on it, as I'm not strong enough with ipv6 to be certain
[17:19] <bazhang> well he reveals himself shortly after he starts typing
[17:20] <marienz> there are multiple free tunnelbrokers, and it's probably doable to register multiple accounts or multiple tunnels per account on some of them.
[17:21] <marienz> also, you'll frequently want to ban an entire /64, and in some cases an entire /48
[17:22] <ikonia> not sure we could do that
[17:22] <marienz> I don't follow.
[17:22] <ikonia> banning a /48 range wouldn't sit well with the ircc unless we are sure that whole range is just for that one issue user
[17:23] <marienz> hurricaneelectric (he.net/tunnelbroker.net) happily hands out an entire /48 on request (to a free account holder)
[17:23] <ikonia> while that may seem sensible to ban, the #ubuntu policy is a little more strict on setting such a wide ban
[17:23] <marienz> so yeah, don't ban the entire /48 by default, but don't be surprised if you get them coming back from different /64s in the same /48 (and ban the entire /48 when that happens)
[17:24] <ikonia> wouldn't surprise me in the least, if I had access to a /48 and I banned an address, I'd just move up 1 in the range
[17:24] <marienz> exactly
[17:26] <marienz> and again: I'm not saying you should start by banning entire /48s, because he.net *also* hands out individual routed /64s
[18:19] <Jordan_U> NOWARMAKESEX keeps joining #ubuntu and leaving with a previous message from another user in thier quit message.
[18:19] <bazhang> Jordan_U, banned
[18:20] <Jordan_U> Too fast, thanks :)
[18:48] <jpds> c3l is annoying.
[19:41] <IdleOne> ikonia: I was debating if i should or shouldn't
[19:41] <IdleOne> you decided for me
[19:41] <ikonia> good
[20:08] <ikonia> howdy nick
[20:08] <ikonia> bye nick
[21:54] <funkyHat> I was only 99% sure, but now he's telling us Songbird is a good looking stylish player, I *know* he's a troll ;(
[22:02] <mneptok> Songbird is a dead-end on Linux
[22:10] <knome> it's horribly slow.
[22:13] <Flannel> It's based on XUL, what do you expect?
[22:14] <knome> i don't judge applications by what they are based on
[22:19] <topyli> i liked how it displayed my music collection if i threw it on my web server
[22:19] <topyli> i did't like much else though
[22:20] <nhandler> Well, they are still producing unofficial packages of the latest versions for Ubuntu (which is nice for the people who use it)
[22:21] <topyli> yes there's a team of hackers who still maintain it


[03:14] <greg-g> high of 102 in Petaluma today, so we went to the beach (Bodega Bay), just got home, 'twas good
[03:29] <rick_h_> water makes hot weather suck less for sure
[03:31] <greg-g> and the constant breeze
[13:00] <jrwren> good morning
[13:03] <cmaloney> Good morning and all that
[13:09]  * DrDaemonEye mumbles something about morning
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> good morning
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> not for vw though
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> 20% stock drop over the weekend
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> hope nobody here was strongly invested in them
[13:15] <rick_h_> other than buying one of the effected tdi vehicles?
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> you might actually get a check in the mail
[13:15] <cmaloney> I'd love to know who thought that was a good idea at VW
[13:15] <mrgoodcat> if you own one
[13:45] <aleph_one> welp, this is either a great or a terrible time to buy a VW
[13:45] <aleph_one> depending on how their prices adapt
[13:47] <rick_h_> lol
[13:47] <rick_h_> well does this mean I have to check my smugness levels about my tdi?
[13:52] <jrwren> rick_h_: nah, just tel us you are sorry for poluting the air more than the US standard and we will forgive you :)
[13:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: bah!
[13:53] <jrwren> rick_h_: you don't even have to be that sorry. you were lied to by VW about it.
[13:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, it's supposed to balance out my truck
[13:53] <rick_h_> but maybe they're closer to equal :P
[13:56] <jrwren> hahhahaaha
[13:56] <jrwren> rick_h_: don't let any EU folks give you grief about it. US diesel standards are a bit more strict than everyone else. you don't even have to apologize to them :)
[13:57] <rick_h_> jrwren: :)
[13:58] <mrgoodcat> besides, it's still probably a lot better on fuel economy. so you can be smug about that if you want
[13:59] <jrwren> ^^^
[13:59] <jrwren> not prius level smug
[13:59] <mrgoodcat> but possibly ford fiesta smugness
[14:00] <cmaloney> nobody but nobody was ever smug in a fiesta
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> 36mpg in a fiesta
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> thats pretty good
[14:01] <cmaloney> It's a fiesta
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> in the best configuration of the fiesta that is
[14:01] <cmaloney> It's a fiesta
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> the fiesta st is pretty fun
[14:01] <cmaloney> It's a fiesta
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> i don't care
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> small cars can be fun too
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> other than size and a laugable name, what's wrong with a fiesta?
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> laughable
[14:02] <cmaloney> It's a fiesta
[14:02] <cmaloney> ;)
[14:02] <jrwren> i think mrgoodcat is thinking of modern fiesta. I'm thinking of 80s fiesta.
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> now you're just being intentionally unhelpful :/
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> lol i don't know anything about the 80's fiesta, but the new one was super fun to drive on the track at waterford last week
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> i'm really excited for the focus rs though. it's not as great on fuel economy but 315hp awd focus hell yes
[14:04] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: That's cool
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> want one so bad
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> gotta wait for a year or two though for the used ones to be on the market
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> might find a used 135i to tide me over until it comes out
[14:05] <cmaloney> Just wait for the first recalls  to settle in
[14:05] <cmaloney> Should be a few months
[14:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: lol
[14:06]  * cmaloney has a somewhat dim view of the auto industry writ large
[14:07] <mrgoodcat> yea i think you're probably right in general, but this is supposed to be marketed to enthusiasts
[14:07] <mrgoodcat> so they're probably not going to cut corners for the sake of affordability and such
[14:07] <mrgoodcat> it's gonna be a $35k+ focus
[14:08] <jrwren> I do like ford's perf stuff. Taurus SHO is a beast.
[14:08] <jrwren> but in general: meh. I'm not a gear head.
[14:09] <cmaloney> I like cars that are efficient and don't fall apart when you look at them funny.
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> i dont think this one will fall apart when you look at it funny, but it probably won't be efficient in the sense you're thinking of. it will probably be very efficient at turning gas into power, but probably not very efficient at turning gas into distance
[18:29] <aleph_one> does anyone here use a YubiKey Neo to hold a GPG key for signing?
[18:29] <aleph_one> also, pardon me if I'm breaking any channel rules, but I don't think I am
[18:30] <cmaloney> aleph_one: hello
[18:30] <greg-g> rules?
[18:30] <greg-g> :)
[18:31] <cmaloney> https://jclement.ca/articles/2015/gpg-smartcard/ ?
[18:34] <aleph_one> greg-g: my kinda place then ;)
[18:35] <aleph_one> cmaloney: yeah, basically that setup. I'm mostly curious if anyone using it has found it worth the trouble
[18:35] <cmaloney> aleph_one: I don't have a yubikey so I haven't tried it
[18:35] <aleph_one> in my case, I created a 4096-bit key on my desktop, meaning I need to make subkeys for the YubiKey
[18:35] <aleph_one> well, I'll report back!
[18:36] <cmaloney> Yeah, it appears the Yubikey only handles 2048
[18:39] <SneakyPh1l> has anyone here ever used pdsh?
[18:40] <SneakyPh1l> if so, have you ever run a local script remotely using it?


[08:35] <swiss-michel> hello
[08:35] <swiss-michel> hello limbe
[08:35] <Limbe_> yes
[08:36] <swiss-michel> do you know why it is working now?
[08:36] <Limbe_> no
[08:36] <swiss-michel> strange
[08:36] <Limbe_> ok
[08:36] <Limbe_> can we continue with the installation
[08:37] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:37] <Limbe_> wait a minutes
[08:38] <swiss-michel> the machine you are in chat here is the ubuntu machine?
[08:39] <Limbe_> ok
[08:39] <Limbe_> i am here again
[08:39] <swiss-michel> the machine you are in chat here is the ubuntu machine?
[08:39] <Limbe_> yes
[08:39] <Limbe_> ubuntu8.4
[08:40] <swiss-michel> ok so you can copy paste easy or not?
[08:40] <Limbe_> yes
[08:41] <swiss-michel> so please quick short answer as usual
[08:41] <Limbe_> yes
[08:41] <Limbe_> now terminal open
[08:41] <Limbe_> support open
[08:42] <swiss-michel> now we wil make a copy .baschrc, ok
[08:42] <Limbe_> michel@ubu84arc:~$ ls Desktop    Examples  PDF       Public     Videos Documents  Music     Pictures  Templates  wyona michel@ubu84arc:~$ cd wyona michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$
[08:42] <Limbe_> ok we make a copy
[08:43] <swiss-michel> cp /home/michel/.bashrc /home/michel/.bashrc-20101107
[08:44] <swiss-michel> type or copy paste this
[08:44] <Limbe_> done
[08:44] <swiss-michel> above
[08:44] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:44] <swiss-michel> now we open nano
[08:44] <Limbe_> now
[08:44] <Limbe_> ok
[08:45] <swiss-michel>  nano /home/michel/.bashrc
[08:45] <swiss-michel> done?
[08:45] <Limbe_> i am in nano now
[08:46] <swiss-michel> ok first wwe test if you can go out of nano, ok
[08:46] <Limbe_> ctrl o
[08:46] <Limbe_> ctrl x
[08:46] <swiss-michel> wait
[08:47] <Limbe_> waiting
[08:47] <swiss-michel> Ctrl o is for writing
[08:47] <swiss-michel> Ctrl x to go out
[08:47] <Limbe_> ok
[08:47] <swiss-michel> so are you out now?
[08:48] <Limbe_> not out
[08:48] <Limbe_>  File Name to Write: /home/michel/.bashrc                                         ^G Get Help         ^T To Files         M-M Mac Format      M-P Prepend ^C Cancel           M-D DOS Format      M-A Append          M-B Backup File
[08:49] <Limbe_> not out please
[08:49] <swiss-michel> press enter
[08:49] <swiss-michel> you will see
[08:50] <Limbe_>   [ Wrote 93 lines ] ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell
[08:50] <swiss-michel> [ Wrote 103 lines ]
[08:50] <swiss-michel> you see it?
[08:50] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:50] <swiss-michel> now press Ctrl x
[08:50] <Limbe_> see what please
[08:51] <swiss-michel> please step by step
[08:51] <Limbe_> done
[08:51] <swiss-michel> and are you out from nano now?
[08:52] <Limbe_> yes
[08:52] <swiss-michel> ok
[08:52] <swiss-michel> we do it one more time
[08:53] <Limbe_> ok
[08:53] <swiss-michel> nano /home/michel/.bashrc
[08:53] <swiss-michel> and  now just go out
[08:53] <swiss-michel> Ctrl x
[08:53] <swiss-michel> ok? out?
[08:53] <Limbe_> done
[08:54] <Limbe_> out of nano
[08:54] <swiss-michel> ok now we write write in this file so  again
[08:54] <swiss-michel> nano /home/michel/.bashrc
[08:54] <swiss-michel> done?
[08:55] <swiss-michel> ???
[08:55] <Limbe_> done
[08:55] <Limbe_> out of nano
[08:55] <swiss-michel> no now we wwill write on this file so not out
[08:56] <Limbe_> ok
[08:56] <swiss-michel> do what i write, please
[08:56] <Limbe_> so i go back there
[08:56] <Limbe_> ok
[08:56] <swiss-michel> nano /home/michel/.bashrc
[08:56] <swiss-michel> done?
[08:56] <Limbe_> in nano
[08:57] <swiss-michel> now we go a the end of the file with cursor
[08:57] <Limbe_> ok
[08:58] <swiss-michel> the last line will be
[08:58] <swiss-michel> fi
[08:58] <swiss-michel> or not?
[08:58] <swiss-michel> the last line we see
[08:59] <swiss-michel> hello
[08:59] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:00] <swiss-michel> what happen again?
[09:04] <Limbe> hello
[09:04] <swiss-michel> hello
[09:04] <Limbe> yes
[09:04] <swiss-michel> so are you in nano now?
[09:05] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:06] <Limbe> ok
[09:06] <Limbe> i was opening support
[09:06] <Limbe> .cronopios.org
[09:06] <swiss-michel> please answer short quick
[09:06] <Limbe> ok
[09:07] <swiss-michel> so are you in nano now?
[09:07] <Limbe> yes
[09:07] <Limbe> no wait
[09:07] <swiss-michel> end of file?
[09:08] <Limbe> wait not yet there
[09:08] <Limbe> i need to copy from support
[09:08] <Limbe> support not yet open
[09:08] <Limbe> i need the command from there
[09:09] <swiss-michel> we can od it without supp i tell you
[09:09] <Limbe> so give the command again
[09:09] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:09] <swiss-michel> nano /home/michel/.bashrc
[09:10] <Limbe> in nano now
[09:10] <swiss-michel> now we go a the end of the file with cursor
[09:10] <swiss-michel> done?
[09:11] <Limbe> yes
[09:11] <Limbe> i am in end of fine
[09:11] <swiss-michel> the last line you see will be
[09:11] <swiss-michel> fi
[09:11] <swiss-michel> or not?
[09:11] <Limbe> yes i see fi
[09:12] <swiss-michel> new line with enter
[09:12] <Limbe> yes
[09:12] <Limbe> i am there
[09:13] <swiss-michel> # mi wyona
[09:13] <swiss-michel> write that above
[09:13] <Limbe> done
[09:14] <Limbe> and now
[09:14] <Limbe> i pres ctrl x or what
[09:14] <Limbe> ctrl o and ctrl x
[09:14] <swiss-michel> wait
[09:14] <swiss-michel> export JAVA_HOME=/usr
[09:15] <Limbe> shall i press enter again
[09:15] <Limbe> before
[09:15] <Limbe> export JAVA_HOME=/usr
[09:15] <swiss-michel> write or bette copy paste
[09:15] <swiss-michel> yes new line
[09:15] <Limbe> done
[09:16] <swiss-michel> now Ctrl o
[09:16] <swiss-michel> done?
[09:16] <Limbe> i have press ctrl o
[09:17] <Limbe> now i press enter or what
[09:17] <swiss-michel> Ctrl x
[09:17] <Limbe> before ctrl x
[09:17] <swiss-michel> why you not follow?
[09:17] <swiss-michel> where are you now?
[09:18] <swiss-michel> in nano or out?
[09:18] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:18] <Limbe> i ask becasue i have press ctrl o then ctrl x and i am still not back
[09:18] <Limbe> in nano
[09:19] <swiss-michel> please follow step by step
[09:19] <Limbe> yes
[09:19] <swiss-michel> Ctrl x
[09:19] <swiss-michel> done?
[09:20] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:20] <Limbe> if i  write ctrl o  then enter before ctrl x i will be out
[09:20] <Limbe> but if crtl o then ctrl x i am not out
[09:20] <swiss-michel> why you not follow?
[09:20] <Limbe> i follow please
[09:20] <swiss-michel> now
[09:21] <swiss-michel> Ctrl o
[09:21] <Limbe> i am telling you what is going now and not going
[09:21] <swiss-michel> step by step please
[09:21] <swiss-michel> done?
[09:21] <swiss-michel> ?????????????????
[09:22] <swiss-michel> why yoou work like this?
[09:22] <Limbe> not going out
[09:22] <swiss-michel> please you not follow so make it alone
[09:23] <Limbe> no
[09:23] <Limbe> not like that
[09:23] <swiss-michel> and you too not like that
[09:23] <swiss-michel> so now are you ready to follow?
[09:24] <swiss-michel> why now answer?
[09:25] <swiss-michel> you say it allways quick short answer or not?
[09:25] <swiss-michel> we say it
[09:25] <Limbe> becasue i was still tryig
[09:26] <Limbe>  whereis java java: /usr/bin/java /usr/share/java /usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$
[09:26] <swiss-michel> you must not try but do it step by step why not?
[09:26] <Limbe> this is where i am now
[09:26] <Limbe> i do not know if correct or not
[09:27] <swiss-michel> really you want to do it alone, so just say it
[09:27] <Limbe> not i want to do it alone
[09:28] <swiss-michel> i cannot help you like this
[09:29] <swiss-michel> 'not i want to do it alone' means what?
[09:29] <Limbe> so what are we doing now
[09:29] <Limbe> how do we continue
[09:30] <swiss-michel> i can say what i want you make anyway something else, so you must decide, we do together and i say how step by step if not, ok do it alone
[09:31] <swiss-michel> ok no answer again...
[09:31] <Limbe> so we continue from where
[09:31] <Limbe> tell me and we continue
[09:32] <Limbe> no time to argue
[09:33] <swiss-michel> please first decide, if you want to do it together and it means you answer quick and short and follow step by step
[09:33] <Limbe> yes
[09:33] <Limbe> i want to do it
[09:33] <swiss-michel> are you in nano?
[09:34] <Limbe> yes
[09:34] <swiss-michel> Ctl x
[09:34] <swiss-michel> to go out, are you out?
[09:35] <Limbe> yes
[09:35] <swiss-michel> ok we test open a new terminal
[09:35] <swiss-michel> done?
[09:36] <Limbe> done
[09:36] <swiss-michel> echo $JAVA_HOME
[09:37] <swiss-michel> result?
[09:37] <swiss-michel> ???
[09:37] <swiss-michel> why no answer?
[09:39] <swiss-michel> ok i dont know what you want so it is not possible
[09:47] <swiss-michel> hello
[09:47] <swiss-michel> i am eating, come back in 10 minutes
[09:49] <Limbe> hello
[09:49] <Limbe> hello
[09:49] <Limbe> usr
[10:08] <Limbe> hi
[10:13] <Limbe> i am waiting
[10:13] <Limbe> i had problems
[10:19] <Limbe> hello
[10:19] <Limbe> septox
[10:19] <Limbe> how are you today long time
[10:30] <swiss-michel> hello here again
[10:31] <Limbe> hello
[10:31] <Limbe> i am here again
[10:32] <swiss-michel> limbe: please answer quick ok?
[10:32] <Limbe> ok
[10:32] <Limbe> so reuslt usr
[10:33] <swiss-michel> ok
[10:33] <Limbe> hi
[10:33] <Limbe> you see result
[10:34] <swiss-michel> yes
[10:34] <swiss-michel> it is ok
[10:34] <Limbe> ok
[10:34] <swiss-michel> now wwe cotinue
[10:34] <Limbe> ok
[10:35] <swiss-michel> cd /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk/
[10:35] <swiss-michel> done?
[10:36] <Limbe>  cd /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk/ bash: cd: /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk/: No such file or directory michel@ubu84arc:~$
[10:37] <swiss-michel> so something wrong
[10:37] <swiss-michel> we install yanel or not?
[10:38] <Limbe> where
[10:38] <swiss-michel> for 2 or 3 days ago
[10:38] <Limbe> what happen
[10:38] <swiss-michel> we install yanel
[10:38] <swiss-michel> ok we test
[10:39] <Limbe> ok
[10:39] <swiss-michel> pwd result?
[10:39] <swiss-michel> pwd
[10:39] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:39] <swiss-michel> copy paste here
[10:39] <swiss-michel> ???
[10:40] <Limbe> home/michel
[10:40] <swiss-michel> cd wyona
[10:40] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:40] <Limbe> cd wyona michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$ ls yanel michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona
[10:41] <swiss-michel> ls yanel
[10:41] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:42] <Limbe> contributions michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$
[10:43] <swiss-michel> so you no directory yanel?
[10:43] <Limbe> i saw it
[10:43] <Limbe> this morning
[10:43] <Limbe> let me fine out
[10:43] <Limbe> wait
[10:44] <Limbe>  cd wyona michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$ ls yanel michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$
[10:44] <Limbe> you see this
[10:45] <swiss-michel> cd yanel
[10:45] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:45] <Limbe>  cd yanel michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona/yanel$ ls contributions michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona/yanel$
[10:46] <swiss-michel> cd trunk
[10:46] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:46] <Limbe> no such file
[10:47] <swiss-michel> so the yanel was not correct installed
[10:48] <swiss-michel> you must do it again
[10:48] <swiss-michel> hello
[10:48] <swiss-michel> ???
[10:48] <Limbe> yes
[10:49] <Limbe> i am waiting
[10:49] <swiss-michel> why so long now answer?
[10:49] <swiss-michel> i am wiatring too...
[10:49] <Limbe> ok
[10:49] <Limbe> so we do what now
[10:49] <swiss-michel> you dont read ?
[10:50] <swiss-michel> i say yanel was not good installed
[10:50] <Limbe> iok
[10:50] <Limbe> we reinstall or what
[10:50] <swiss-michel> so you must start again
[10:50] <Limbe> give me 2 minutes
[10:50] <Limbe> ok
[10:50] <swiss-michel> ???
[10:51] <swiss-michel> ??????
[10:52] <swiss-michel> hello
[10:53] <Limbe> ok
[10:53] <Limbe> here again
[10:53] <Limbe> some body come speaking
[10:53] <swiss-michel> are you alone?
[10:53] <Limbe> so we install yanel again now or not
[10:53] <Limbe> i am alone
[10:53] <Limbe> on machine
[10:53] <Limbe> caro doing house work
[10:54] <swiss-michel> install yanel again
[10:54] <Limbe> ok
[10:54] <Limbe> we do it together or what
[10:54] <swiss-michel> cd /home/michel/wyona
[10:54] <swiss-michel> done?
[10:54] <Limbe> done
[10:54] <swiss-michel> as control
[10:55] <swiss-michel> pwd
[10:55] <swiss-michel> result?
[10:55] <Limbe> home/michel/wyona
[10:55] <swiss-michel> ok
[10:55] <swiss-michel> svn co http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel
[10:56] <swiss-michel> done?
[10:56] <Limbe>  http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel bash: http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel: No such file or directory michel@ubu84arc:~/wyona$
[10:56] <swiss-michel> it will make a checkout
[10:57] <swiss-michel> on one line
[10:57] <Limbe> what on line one
[10:57] <swiss-michel> svn co http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel
[10:57] <Limbe> one line
[10:58] <swiss-michel> just copy and past it in terminal
[10:58] <Limbe> ok
[10:58] <Limbe> wait may be it takes some time
[10:58] <swiss-michel> it will make a checkout of yanel
[10:58] <swiss-michel> it starts?
[10:58] <Limbe> no result yet i am waiting ,
[10:59] <Limbe> now running down quickly and taking time
[10:59] <swiss-michel> it takes a time to begin, be patient as i am with you too or not?
[11:00] <swiss-michel> ???
[11:00] <swiss-michel> why now answer?
[11:00] <Limbe> it is taking time
[11:01] <Limbe> ok now in this time we can talk about when you come
[11:01] <swiss-michel> in 30 minutes i have to go, so
[11:02] <swiss-michel> when finish, you can continue
[11:02] <Limbe> ok
[11:02] <Limbe> where are you going to
[11:03] <Limbe> hello
[11:03] <Limbe> no time now or what?
[11:03] <swiss-michel> i meet a friend, glenda  and a chinese woman to discuss how to make business with china
[11:04] <Limbe> glenda in ghano or what
[11:04] <Limbe> Ghana
[11:04] <swiss-michel> glenda, you know her
[11:05] <Limbe> yes
[11:05] <Limbe> last two years you said i will go to ghana to meet here
[11:05] <Limbe> i know here
[11:05] <swiss-michel> the checkout is going ?
[11:05] <swiss-michel> not ghana kenia
[11:05] <Limbe> ok
[11:05] <Limbe> kenya now i know
[11:06] <swiss-michel> checkout is going forward?
[11:06] <Limbe> yes
[11:07] <swiss-michel> it takes long when finish test if you have a directory
[11:07] <Limbe> hello
[11:07] <swiss-michel> ls /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk
[11:08] <Limbe> still going
[11:08] <swiss-michel> it takes long...
[11:09] <Limbe> yes
[11:09] <swiss-michel> you understand why we need good documentation?
[11:09] <Limbe> yes
[11:09] <Limbe> i do
[11:09] <swiss-michel> in this time you make documentation in wiki from www.njahbisoli.org
[11:10] <Limbe> ok
[11:10] <Limbe> so what do you want to discuss with glenda and this china woman
[11:11] <swiss-michel> you can take documentation from support.crono...
[11:11] <Limbe> tell the china woman i will like to come in china for this business
[11:11] <Limbe> yes i will do it
[11:12] <swiss-michel> you see you tell me ok for documentation, but you don't do it...
[11:12] <swiss-michel> is ti true or not?
[11:12] <Limbe> i am doing it right away
[11:13] <Limbe> please note that i do not want us to invest this 2011 so much in business because of the presidential election that may cause harm
[11:14] <swiss-michel> so is the wiki from najhbisoli open?
[11:15] <Limbe> hello
[11:15] <swiss-michel> ???
[11:15] <Limbe> Editing Main Page (section)
[11:17] <Limbe> hello
[11:18] <Limbe> done
[11:21] <Limbe> hello
[11:21] <Limbe> are you away or what
[11:23] <Limbe> now you do not say when you go and even bye
[11:24] <swiss-michel> hello still here i arrange docu in wiki njahbisoli
[11:25] <Limbe> ok
[11:25] <Limbe> why you don't tell me before
[11:26] <Limbe> and you see what i have done or what
[11:27] <swiss-michel> have you done something? i don't see it
[11:28] <Limbe> how to install yanel
[11:28] <Limbe> what we do i will put it all there
[11:28] <swiss-michel> put it so i can see it
[11:29] <Limbe> i have save it
[11:29] <Limbe> = install yanel  cd /home/michel/wyona svn co http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel ls /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk [edit]
[11:32] <swiss-michel> where in njahbisoli wiki? it is not
[11:32] <Limbe> http://www.njahbisoli.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#howtos
[11:34] <swiss-michel> sorry i don't see it
[11:35] <Limbe> make a roload
[11:35] <Limbe> or you check it later
[11:36] <Limbe> installation still going
[11:36] <Limbe> give me 6minutes i will be back
[11:37] <swiss-michel> not there
[11:51] <Limbe> hello
[11:51] <Limbe> helloooooooooooo
[11:52] <swiss-michel> yes
[11:53] <Limbe> installation still going
[11:53] <swiss-michel> i change a little the wiki, we must be careful that not to have the same as in support...
[11:54] <Limbe> ok
[11:55] <swiss-michel> but you docu i don't see it
[11:55] <swiss-michel> hello
[11:57] <swiss-michel> ???
[11:58] <swiss-michel> i have no more much time, after i go, why no answer?
[11:59] <swiss-michel> why you don't tell you are away for while... it is very difficult like this
[12:02] <swiss-michel> ok chanceline i loose the hope we can work together
[12:03] <Limbe> why
[12:03] <Limbe> what have i done
[12:03] <Limbe> i just go to toilet
[12:04] <Limbe> sorry for not say ing
[12:04] <swiss-michel> yes
[12:04] <Limbe> ok
[12:04] <Limbe> tell me what have i done
[12:04] <swiss-michel> allways ok okok
[12:05] <Limbe> i  am here to work with you or not
[12:05] <swiss-michel> you tell you have done docu where?
[12:05] <Limbe> njahbisoli
[12:06] <Limbe> echnical stuff [edit] howtos [edit] = install yanel  cd /home/michel/wyona svn co http://svn.wyona.com/repos/public/yanel ls /home/michel/wyona/yanel/trunk [edit] database [edit] mysql
[12:06] <Limbe> main page-Njahbiwiki
[12:08] <Limbe> 3 = install yanel
[12:09] <swiss-michel> give me the url, because i find nothing
[12:10] <Limbe> ok
[12:10] <Limbe> http://www.njahbisoli.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#.3D_install_yanel
[12:10] <Limbe> hello
[12:11] <Limbe> give me 8minutes
[12:11] <Limbe> now i have some people from the church here
[12:11] <Limbe> so we can continue
[12:13] <swiss-michel> ok other people always more importantt, i must go anyway, not very happy, because allways something not going and no time to understand
[12:13] <swiss-michel> ok
[12:13] <swiss-michel> bye
[12:31] <Limbe> hello
[12:32] <Limbe> i am here again
[16:39] <warrens> hi
[18:52] <dimson> slt à touus je suis entrain d'installer Ubuntu 10.10 sur mon pc mon pb est que je voudrais le mettre en dual boot avec seven SVP j'aimerais avoir la procedure a suivre
[18:53] <dimson> actuellement je suis en live cd
[18:59] <dimson> :-(


[03:13] <skellat> An unimaginable archive of classic instructional films that would otherwise be mangled by RiffTrax: https://archive.org/search.php?query=mediatype%3Amovies%20AND%20collection%3Aprelinger%20AND%20coronet
[03:14] <jenni> [ Internet Archive Search: mediatype:movies AND coronet ] - https://j.mp/1vfeTO8
[10:36] <belkinsa> Speaking of the archives, has our podcast been archived yet?


[00:23] <bluesabre> For some extra context: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1987958
[00:23] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1987958 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity desktop entry not 'trusted'/not marked as executable bit" [Undecided, Triaged]
[00:23] <bluesabre> It sounds like the solution for us will be some startup script to do the dirty work. But ubiquity is supposed to go away for 24.04... so likely not worth the effort.
[00:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have you seen flutter vs calamares?
[02:33] <bluesabre> I've not seen the discussion/arguments between which to go with... only that Ubiquity is going away.
[03:21] <arraybolt3> bluesabre, Unit193: I wrote some stuff comparing the two a long time ago: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lubuntu-and-the-flutter-based-subiquity-installer-personal-concerns-and-thoughts/33586
[03:22] <arraybolt3> I'm not sure how much of that is still accurate now, I'd have to take a closer look, but I suspect Calamares is probably lighter, smaller, and more feature-rich.
[05:23] <Unit193> I dunno, I just have a POC of Xfce with calamares.


 IT seems to work OK in Vrtualbox
[01:29] <snap-l> and it's performant enough to play recent games on slow hardware.
[01:36] <snap-l> kind of bummed that Thunderbird is getting deprived of focus
[01:45] <jrwren> i don't know. i'm just using linux.
[01:45] <jrwren> i've heard of some people having problems with virtio drivers
[01:48] <jrwren> snap-l: XP or 7?
[01:50] <snap-l> XP
[01:50] <snap-l> Nobody runs Windows 7. ;)
[01:52] <jrwren> ha.
[01:53] <jrwren> how much ram should I give it?
[01:53] <jrwren> i'm gonna do 7
[01:53] <jrwren> i won't do XP
[01:53] <snap-l> I have NFC
[01:55] <snap-l> Not being coy, I mean I seriously don't know.
[02:04] <jrwren> what is NFC?
[02:04] <jrwren> i mean, other than 1/2 the NFL
[02:04] <jrwren> oh, no fucking clue.
[02:04] <jrwren> kk
[02:04] <jrwren> i'm slow
[02:10] <brousch> How much ram for Win7? 2-4GB
[02:42] <jrwren> i don't think you are gonna play games with kvm, since kvm's console is either serial or VNC.
[02:43] <jrwren> so you are stuck with all the shitty things like vbox for that.
[02:43] <jrwren> but for virtual servers, libvirt+kvm is better IMO
[03:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Oh no doubt
[03:35] <jcastro> snap-l: your tweet is cryptic
[14:13] <snap-l> jcastro: I expanded on it on G+ and your blog
[14:30] <derekv> apperently the water carbonator market has been hugely taken over by Sodastream(TM)
[14:30] <snap-l> Yeah, that would make sense.
[14:30] <derekv> (R) rather
[14:30] <derekv> well maybe its better
[14:30] <derekv> i just want to make mineral water
[14:31] <derekv> http://blog.khymos.org/2012/01/04/mineral-waters-a-la-carte/
[14:31] <derekv> not some shitty cola
[14:34] <snap-l> Yeah, JoDee (my wife) wanted to get one to just make carbonated water.
[14:35] <derekv> there's so few other options i'm seeing on amazon I feel safer getting one anyways
[14:37] <derekv> the other ones i see use those mini co2 carts
[14:37] <derekv> whereas sodastream uses a big one and it costs $60
[14:37] <derekv> so its the bulk of the cost of the device
[14:37] <derekv> those mini ones have lots of uses
[14:38] <derekv> eg you can carry them instead of a bike bump
[17:03] <derekv> ipv6 working
[17:59] <derekv> food for thought, if we had 300b addressing it'd be a little more that 4 addresses for each cubic mm in the observable universe.
[18:06] <derekv> time for me to start a blog-wiki
[18:06] <derekv> I think i'm going to do something git-backed
[18:06] <derekv> which is great until you want to allow comments
[18:17] <Blazeix> you could offload the comments to disqus
[18:18] <derekv> true
[18:18]  * derekv looks at disqus
[18:18] <derekv> god dammit I had this idea like five years ago
[18:18] <derekv> ideas, are cheap.
[18:21] <derekv> well no this isn't the same as my idea
[18:21] <derekv> its a good idea thats related
[18:22] <derekv> i'm pretty sure someones already tried universal content annotation
[18:22] <derekv> of some kind however
[18:25] <derekv> ok disqus could work, what i'd like is that I want the artiles/posts in a git repo seperate from the code that displays it
[18:34] <derekv> smalltalk OS : wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1762
[21:00] <derekv> https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll/wiki
[21:40] <brousch1> snap-l: My son said, "That's what I'm talkin' about!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV39w19YvXc