[00:00] <sarnold> cthulchu: hmm, i'm accustomed to thinking of intel hd graphics as being pretty simple by comparison, and less likely to be the cause of something like that
[00:01] <sarnold> cthulchu: you could try the server installer, and see if that fails the same way or not
[00:01] <cthulchu> the server meaning having no gui?
[00:02] <cthulchu> I'm pretty sure my issue is with GUIs
[00:02] <sarnold> exactly
[00:02] <sebsebseb> !version |  cthulchu
[00:02] <sarnold> so try an installer with no gui and see if that's related or not :)
[00:02] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: which version
[00:02] <sebsebseb> of ubuntu
[00:02] <sebsebseb> what kind of lap top too?
[00:03] <cthulchu> 20.04, HP ProBook 4530s
[00:03] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: how old is that lap top ?
[00:03] <cthulchu> I think I bought it around 2005
[00:03] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: 2005 oh
[00:04] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: "2005"  yes ok that can expalin some things then :D
[00:04] <sebsebseb> if it's that old
[00:04] <cthulchu> my wife just installed 20.04 on her much newer dell and it works amazingly good. In fact, better than win10
[00:04] <sarnold> oh! I thought it was 2010-ish era
[00:04] <sebsebseb>  cthulchu yes but that's a newer lap top
[00:04] <cthulchu> so now I wanna try it out too
[00:04] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: you been trying on something rather old
[00:04] <sarnold> is it x86-64 or 32bit?
[00:04] <cthulchu> I... think so.
[00:04] <cthulchu> ye
[00:04] <cthulchu> it may be 32x
[00:05] <cthulchu> max 8 gb ram
[00:05] <cthulchu> that kinda hints...
[00:05] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: right so Linux used to be rather good for old lap tops
[00:05] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: from 2005, it still can be
[00:05] <sebsebseb> but times have changed a bit when it comes to distros and gui's etc
[00:05] <cthulchu> maybe I should use a fork? like mint?
[00:05] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: that may or may not help
[00:05] <cthulchu> what would you do?
[00:06] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: it might be GNOME actasully that's causing the issues too
[00:06] <cthulchu> I'm 90% sure it's GUI that causes the issues
[00:06] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: where as if you try say for example,  Ubuntu Mate,  or Xubuntu or Lubuntu  it may work better
[00:06] <sarnold> try to figure out what processor it has -- if it's 32 bit that means doing something completely different than if it's a 64 bit chip..
[00:06] <tomreyn> https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-probook-4530s-notebook-pc/5060880/document/c02794658
[00:06] <cthulchu> ok
[00:06] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: also Ubuntu is mostly dropping support for 32bit now as well, but that's a seperate issue
[00:07] <cthulchu> ye
[00:07] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: if you got a 64bit proccesser in there, that shoudn't be a problem
[00:08] <sebsebseb> v0lksman: lets take, well if I can explain this :D  let's take this as an example,  GPD Micro PC ( I have one )  hardware is a bit differnet,  so I have a feeling I can't run GNOME on it, since the hadware isn't quite powerful enough, but I know Mate works, Ubuntu Mate got ported.  an old lap top is a bit like that too :D
[00:08] <sebsebseb> that was meant to go to you cthulchu
[00:08] <sarnold> the B810 processor on that list, that I'd never heard of before, says it's 64 bit instruction set. sorry for teh diversion. :)
[00:09] <tomreyn> if it's hd graphics 3000, it will be 64-bit
[00:09] <cthulchu> oh
[00:09] <cthulchu> I'll try mate
[00:09] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: if your graphics card is rather old, I would expect it to get some issues with modern versions of GNOME yep
[00:09] <cthulchu> KDE too, I imagine
[00:09] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: but something such as Mate, which is the fork of GNOME 2,  which was very popular in 2005 as well
[00:09] <sebsebseb> that should work hopefully !
[00:10] <cthulchu> thanks!
[00:10] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: you could also try xubuntu or lubuntu but those have been changed a bit since I think, and aren't as light waight as they once were etc I belive
[00:10] <sebsebseb> and work a little differently now
[00:10] <cthulchu> I don't think there are x86 i5s?
[00:10] <cthulchu> all i-cpus are 64x
[00:10] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: also Unity 7 is in the repos, yes that got dropped by default, but once you got one of thoe working, you could try that too, it might work on your old lap top probably will
[00:11] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: I have tried on lowe poerewed mini pc's or it's been reocmmended etc, and it worked well,
[00:11] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: x86  65 is 64bit,
[00:12] <sebsebseb> as longa s you got a 64bit proccesser in that the amd64 iso as it would be called should work sure
[00:12] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: last Ubuntu version that's still supported and has 32bit ISOs still is 18.04
[00:12] <sebsebseb> oh and that even came with unity 7 by default which I just meniotned above
[00:12] <cthulchu> I have an intel i5 CPU in that laptop
[00:12] <cthulchu> I doubt it's a 32x cpu
[00:13] <sebsebseb> yep that should be fine then
[00:13] <cthulchu> ye
[00:13] <sebsebseb> but your graphics card is very old !
[00:13] <cthulchu> indeed
[00:13] <sebsebseb> and so you may be stuck with other gui's that aren't as powerful etc, such as Mate and that
[00:13] <sebsebseb> yeah modern plasma 5 would probably get some issues too
[00:13] <sebsebseb> kde
[00:13] <cthulchu> that's fine. I wanna use it for coding and movies mostly
[00:14] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: yeah I would recommend Ubuntu Mate,  Lubuntu, Xubjut, you can try those frolm the live sessions before even installing
[00:14] <cthulchu> ye, will start with Mate and then try the rest if it doesn't kick in
[00:14] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: good luck have fun, and brath life into the old lap top :)
[00:14] <cthulchu> ^)
[00:14] <sebsebseb> !mat3
[00:14] <sebsebseb> !mate
[00:15] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: remember you can install other ios's into an install too
[00:15] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: you just need something to install from etc,  but if you then instal a gui that doesns't work you may get back into the terminal you mentioend
[00:15] <sebsebseb> other ones, above, other GUI's
[00:20] <cthulchu> that's a bit too complex
[00:20] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: no it's not
[00:20] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: you get things from the repos
[00:20] <sebsebseb> you know waht the repos are ?
[00:21] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: you just need a base install, and ideally with a GUI of some sort that works, and then you go from there
[00:22] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: I usually install lot's of GUI's or well used to,  they can conflict sometimes a bit depending on what you have installed, sometimes.  but I would expect if you put Ubuntu Mate on first, then also  installed xubuntu lubuntu and even unity 7 all into it, should be all fine,  but that's up to you.   Mate should be good enough genearlly :)
[00:23] <sebsebseb> !lubuntu
[00:23] <sebsebseb> !lubuntu
[00:23] <sebsebseb> !xubuntu
[00:24] <sebsebseb> !unity
[00:24] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: and then you log into differnet interfaces from the log in screen, you could even try one that you won't get an Ubuntu ISO of but are just really old and light waight, like open box and flux box and such, but those  don't really do that much
[00:25] <sebsebseb> in repos
[00:30] <cthulchu> yes, so the issue was with the discrete graphic config in BIOS. I disabled it and now it works like a charm
[00:30] <cthulchu> damn linux became so much better since I last used freebsd back in 90s, lol
[00:31] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: what did you disable ?
[00:31] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: and now GNOME 3 works? GNOME Shell ?
[00:32] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: Desktop Linux is in a usable state for years now, but boring as well
[00:32] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: I am waiting for GNOME 4 and KDE Plasma 6 :D
[00:32] <sebsebseb> when the developers get bored enough and make those
[00:32] <cthulchu> Mint started working. But I'm gonna try Gnome now.
[00:33] <cthulchu> I disabled discreet graphic option in bios. Switchable graphics or something like that
[00:33] <sebsebseb> not sure what that does uqite, but sure that might help
[00:33] <cthulchu> I think the laptop actually has two cards. One is Intel HD and another one is AMD Radeon something
[00:34] <sarnold> cthulchu: oh sweet!
[00:34] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: oh  old AMD Radeon graphics in there too hmm
[00:34] <sebsebseb> yes I think some lap tops did have both acstaully
[00:34] <sebsebseb> Intel graphics and AMD
[00:34] <sebsebseb> hence sarnold going sweet
[00:35] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: it will be sweet if you can get the modern GNOME 3 working well enough on there with it's interface, and KDE Plasma 5 as well
[00:35] <cthulchu> I have a similar thing in my newer Dell G3: it has an intel HD card and an Nvidia 1050 or something
[00:35] <sarnold> it was more about the fix :) but yeah, it's possible you might be able to use bumblebee or whatever to try to get both performance asnd low power when wanted..
[00:35] <bparker> > Desktop Linux is in a usable state for years now
[00:35] <bparker> topkek
[00:35] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: and maybe even GNOME under wayland instead of xorg LOL, but probably not on your old 2005 or so lap top
[00:36] <sebsebseb> bparker: desktop Linux has been mostly boring since   Unity got dropped, and GNOME 3 got rather stabble
[00:36] <sebsebseb> it mostly just works :)
[00:36] <sebsebseb> but that makes it boring too, since not much inovating going anymore. or not stuff we acgtsually see anyway
[00:36] <cthulchu> Unity as a game engine?
[00:37] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: no the old interface Ubuntu used to use for a bit,   when they otherwise went GNOME 3 in the background, they just didn't go with their interface by default for years, and had their own instead
[00:37] <cthulchu> ye, makes sense
[00:37] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: now it uses the default GNOME 3 interface, but with a few of their changes
[00:37] <sebsebseb> by default
[00:38] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: but Unity 7 can work much better than GNOME 3's GNOME shell, on older computers or less powered once, hence why I mentioned it
[00:38] <sebsebseb> or less powered ones
[00:38] <cthulchu> oh, I see
[00:38] <cthulchu> interesting
[00:38] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: so what's on the computer?  you got a mint and an ubuntu ?
[00:39] <sebsebseb> Unity 7 is no longer made, but its in the ubuntu repos
[00:39] <cthulchu> well, I tried mint live and it worked. I'm gonna try default installation of ubuntu now, with gnome
[00:39] <cthulchu> I expect it's gonna be perfectly cool
[00:39] <ax562> #j #nvidia
[00:39] <sebsebseb> cthulchu: have you tried ubuntu  20.04  with gnome,  the normal one?
[00:39] <ax562> lol
[00:43] <bparker> you mean gnome3 that forces people to not support tray icons anymore?
[00:44] <sebsebseb> bparker: yes the trash icon on the desktop, that's one of the Ubuntu/Canonical changes to it
[00:44] <sebsebseb> that's in Ubuntu by default
[00:44] <sebsebseb> little things like that
[00:44] <DrMax> well, there are a number of weird defaults in the "normal" Gnome...
[00:44] <sebsebseb> DrMax: such as ?  :D
[00:44] <DrMax> like hot-keys
[00:44] <DrMax> win-3 doesn't switch to 3rd desktop
[00:45] <DrMax> it launches the 3rd app on your bar
[00:45] <sebsebseb> I don't use key board short cuts like that
[00:45] <DrMax> or flips desktop to bring you back to the last instance of that 3rd app
[00:45] <DrMax> neither do I! that's why they're disabled on my box
[00:46] <sebsebseb> I guess mine are enabled, I just  don't use them
[00:46] <DrMax> win-3 switches to 3rd desktop (upto win-0 for desktop 10)
[00:46] <sebsebseb> oh right
[00:49] <DrMax> I also use win-s for a terminal/shell instead of ctrl-shift-t (or whatever the default is)
[00:49] <DrMax> might as well use that key
[00:51] <DrMax> but otherwise, I find the default gnome in 20.04 to provide a most cromulent experience
[01:09] <cthulchu> lol, Ubuntu offers to connect an MS account
[01:09] <cthulchu> how noble :)
[01:19] <cthulchu> okay! it works!
[01:19] <cthulchu> I only don't like that it asks for a pwd every time I install anything
[01:19] <cthulchu> can I do passwordless sudo both in GUI and console?
[01:23] <sarnold> yeah, there's a NOPASSWD flag that you can add to /etc/sudoers -- check the sudoers(5) manpage for details, but it's a miserable manpage, stackoverflow is probably more helpful there
[01:24] <sarnold> sadly the one machine I thought might have NOPASSWD doesn't have it, heh. I don't know how sudo on that machine works without a password, maybe that user account has no password??
[01:25] <cthulchu> maybe
[01:25] <cthulchu> thanks, I'll stackoverflow it, hehe
[01:26] <cthulchu> and what do you use for irc?
[01:26] <cthulchu> oh, there's hexchat
[01:27] <cthulchu> I'm gonna use it then
[01:29] <sarnold> I use irssi on a cloud instance
[01:29] <sarnold> I can't recall how to log in to an admin account on that machine, the user account I use for irssi doesn't have privs of any sort
[01:32] <cthulchu> oh I so damn regret not installing it earlier. This is AMAZING!
[01:32] <cthulchu> It's been on the back of my mind for years
[01:33] <cthulchu> damn I think I'm gonna have it on my other laptop too.
[01:35] <sarnold> awesome :D
[01:36] <cthulchu> do you use something like iterm2 to replace the native terminal app?
[01:38] <sarnold> I use urxvt
[01:39] <sarnold> from package rxvt-unicode
[01:51] <sharpie> im trying to setup automatic updates on 20.04. the guides I have read recommend editing "20auto-upgrades". I cureently dont have that file in the directory, is there another package I need to install, or I am good to create, and populate the file with the recommended settings? any incites are appreciated.
[01:56] <tomreyn> sharpie: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades#Automatic_call_via_.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fapt.conf.d.2F20auto-upgrades refers to this file (and explain how to create it), but i'm more used to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades (which is (also?) provided by the unattended-upgrades package)
[01:57] <sarnold> sharpie: is unattended-upgrades installed?
[01:58] <sharpie> #/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ is populated with several configuration files , however , it is missing the one in particular file.
[02:00] <Bashing-om> sharpie: The system default settings are in /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/
[02:00] <Bashing-om> Will have both the 50unattended-upgrades and the 20auto-upgrades files with the system defaults.
[02:00] <Bashing-om> Copying both files over to the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory will reset it to the defaults.
[02:01] <sharpie> tomreyn, I do have the 50unattended-upgrades file. I have changed it to my liking. Im still missing the 20auto-upgrades file. I will check the link you provided. thank you.
[02:02] <sharpie> Bashing-om, thanks you. will check now
[02:03] <tomreyn> ony my 18.04 system, while the unattended-upgrades configuration is in 50unattended-upgrades and 20auto-upgrades does not exist, 10periodic enabled unattended upgrades via 'APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";'
[02:04] <tomreyn> 20.04 could differ, of course.
[02:09] <sharpie> thanks a lot people, I finally have the file in place! on to further configuration and testing!
[02:10] <tomreyn> run    apt update    once to rule you that you have duplicate instructions (it should warn about it)
[02:11] <cthulchu_> okay, now I'm here from an Ubuntu! woohoo!
[02:11] <cthulchu_> just wanna say that Gnome Tweaks should totally be a part of the default package
[02:12] <cthulchu_> It's ridiculous to not have it by default
[02:12] <sharpie> sarnold, unattended-upgrades is installed, just wanted to reply to your response.
[02:16] <quackgyver> Can I assume that it's safe to install different software that do the same thing without them somehow overwriting and interfering with each others' installations?
[02:16] <quackgyver> For instance, if I install and set up a VNC server, can I assume that its integrity will remain even if I install and try a different VNC server software?
[02:17] <quackgyver> Is this something that you can generally assume when using Ubuntu?
[02:17] <tomreyn> quackgyver: if those are ubuntu provided apt packages, that's guaranteed. i assume this also applies to snaps.
[02:17] <sarnold> quackgyver: if all the packages come from the ubuntu archives, they'll generally have Conflicts: or Breaks: statements in their packaging to prevent problems, but there's something like 60k packages... that's a lot of combinations..
[02:17] <quackgyver> Yeah, I only use apt packages.
[02:18] <tomreyn> i mean ubuntu provided debian packages (via ubuntu apt repositories)
[02:18] <sarnold> sharpie: cool cool, sounds good :)
[02:18] <quackgyver> Alright great. Thanks for the info.
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: also its adviced to be carefull with the vnc protocol, depending of your use case, it could be a security flaw
[02:20] <quackgyver> Well, I've followed all the available instructions on how to set up firewalls, SSH etc.
[02:20] <quackgyver> And it's running on a low permission account.
[02:20] <quackgyver> So hopefully that'll be enough.
[02:21] <quackgyver> I'm mostly just bothered by the fact that my vnc server won't allow for user accounts with passwords longer than 8 characters
[02:21] <quackgyver> which is absolutely insane.
[02:21] <quackgyver> So that's why I wanted to try a different software.
[02:21] <tomreyn> if it was to break with apt / dpkg installations, you'd see messages such as "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/somepackage.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/path/to/some/file', which is also in package someotherpage"
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: it might be a good idea to nmap your port on external ip to see, and take a good care of your intrusion logs too, vnc gets hammered a lot
[02:22] <SrPx> I can not make xmodmap load on startup no matter what I do. Instructions on the internet just don't work. At all.
[02:23] <SrPx> I just want to remap Caps Lock to AltGr, and swap Ctrl/Alt keys. Is there a way to do it on the latest Ubuntu that actually works?
[02:23] <SrPx> Shouldn't be so hard
[02:25] <sarnold> SrPx: where are you stuck? do you have a working file you'd like to install? does it work when you run xmodmap by hand? how are you trying to run it?
[02:25] <quackgyver> lotuspsychje: What does that mean? Can you ELI5 what you're suggesting I do?
[02:25] <quackgyver> I'm not that experienced with Linux.
[02:26] <quackgyver> I mean, I understand the security problem that you're describing, but I'm not getting the nmap thing.
[02:26] <SrPx> It works when I run xmodmap by hand. I've tried adding "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" to "~/.xinitrc", "~/.xsession" and other places and it just doesn't load on startup. I always need to open a terminal and type it manually.
[02:26] <SrPx> sarnold: /\
[02:26] <SrPx> "~/.xprofile" too
[02:27] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: if you want to tighten your system, its always a good idea to look at your own system from the outside world, how possible attackers see you, try nmap -PN -sV external-ip-here as a test
[02:28] <quackgyver> ah i see
[02:29] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: the possible attackers would portscan vulnerable services/open ports so its good to investigate
[02:30] <quackgyver> Looks good to me. I've closed most ports with the firewall
[02:30] <quackgyver> So the only ones I see are the ones I've intentionally installed servers for
[02:30] <quackgyver> Thanks for the tip!
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome quackgyver
[02:37] <tomreyn> quackgyver: i'd actually advise against having VNC listen to incoming connections on an internet connected interface. you shoud always wrap it up through ssh if you're going through the internet.
[02:38] <quackgyver> It'd still be listening to incoming connections via SSH though?
[02:41] <sarnold> yes, but hopefully on the other side of an ssh key authentication
[02:42] <cthulchu_> oh gnome's authentication prompt is annoying
[02:42] <cthulchu_> dunno how to remove it
[02:43] <cthulchu_> just deleted the keychain.
[02:43] <cthulchu_> will try reloading and trying to install something again
[02:44] <quackgyver> Ah alright.
[02:44] <quackgyver> Thanks for the tip!
[02:49] <sharpie> am I looking ok as far the updates are concerned? Any other considerations I should be aware of? It's just a personal server, not production. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j3KbsQnwRp/
[02:51] <cthulchu_> ok, how do I remove the password?
[02:51] <cthulchu_> I made a mistake of setting it. I didn't expect Ubuntu to ask me for it every single time I install or delete something
[02:52] <cthulchu_> damn this is just bad user experience
[02:54] <tomreyn> sharpie: i see nothing wron g on this output. it will be a more interesting test case when you actually have pending updates
[02:54] <sarnold> sharpie: seems sane enough, just keep an eye on it every few days for a while
[02:54] <bindi> cthulchu_: you are required to enter a password when installing Ubuntu - that's security for you!
[02:54] <sarnold> sharpie: and don't forget you've got to reboot to get new kernels :)
[02:54] <tomreyn> cthulchu_: passwords are cached for a while, so you wouldn't normally be asked for them every time
[02:56] <cthulchu_> sure
[02:56] <cthulchu_> how do I disable that "security"?
[02:56] <bindi> make your system less secure?
[02:56] <cthulchu_> indeed
[02:57] <cthulchu_> I don't need macos approach here
[02:57] <cthulchu_> I'm looking for more freedoms than I had in Windows. Not less.
[02:58] <cthulchu_> oh, I think I found it
[02:58] <cthulchu_> sudo passwd -d `whoami`
[02:58] <bindi> don't delete your password
[02:58] <bindi> i'm pretty sure that locks you out of sudo
[02:59] <sarnold> definitely test that on a test account first :)
[02:59] <cthulchu_> it doesn't
[02:59] <cthulchu_> if you set the nopwd for sudo
[02:59] <cthulchu_> I did that
[03:00] <sharpie> sarnold, Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true"; I haven't dug into this, but I tend to think this should take care of kernel upgrades.
[03:00] <cthulchu_> wow!
[03:00] <cthulchu_> this thing still asks for a pwd!
[03:00] <cthulchu_> only I don't have it anymore
[03:00] <cthulchu_> wow
[03:01] <cthulchu_> damn, the UX here is not as good as I thought it would be
[03:01] <bindi> do you install and remove software on a daily basis?
[03:01] <cthulchu_> I wonder if KDE has the same issues
[03:01] <cthulchu_> it doesn't matter
[03:01] <cthulchu_> maybe I do
[03:02] <bindi> I've cranked UAC up to the max on my windows machine, log in on a normal account, and it always ask for the administrator password when I do something - just like sudo works on Ubuntu
[03:02] <kontra2> I am not able to launch applications with with wine on rpi4
[03:03] <cthulchu_> that's cuz you're not a sudoer on win
[03:03] <cthulchu_> make that an admin account and BOOM! no pwds!
[03:03] <bindi> it still asks for UAC and you have to press yes or no..
[03:03] <sharpie> tomreyn, sarnold , thank you for all your help. Ive been out of the game for a while, but I used to be an op in #mailscanner. I'm glad to see the people are still so generous with their time and knowledge.
[03:03] <cthulchu_> that can be disabled
[03:03] <bindi> dude, that's the point
[03:03] <cthulchu_> windows is much much less frustrating after you configure it
[03:03] <bindi> you dont want it disabled
[03:04] <cthulchu_> oh please don't decide what I want for me
[03:04] <sarnold> sharpie: hah, I didn't realize unattended-upgrades could reboot, too :)
[03:04] <cthulchu_> I know it's not the best practice
[03:04] <tomreyn> sharpie: mailscanner! nice. :) and you're welcome.
[03:04] <sarnold> sharpie: I'd rather pick and choose when reboots happen :D
[03:04] <cthulchu_> that said, the best practice are NOT best in every case
[03:04] <kontra2>  I am not able to launch applications with with wine on rpi4 in ubuntu 20.04
[03:05] <sarnold> kontra2: is that supposed to work?
[03:05] <cthulchu_> I wonder if this... bug is about Gnome, or it appears in KDE too
[03:05] <quadrathoch2> cthulchu_ that's not a bug
[03:06] <cthulchu_> It is
[03:06] <cthulchu_> once the password is deleted, it should not ask forit
[03:06] <cthulchu_> so it should conduct a check whether the pwd exists before asking for it
[03:06] <kontra2> sarnold: it has worked in previous versions on pc
[03:07] <cthulchu_> maybe it cached it
[03:07] <sarnold> kontra2: well, sure, but rpi4 is an aarch64 processor, not an amd64 processor, not an x86 processor
[03:07] <cthulchu_> maybe I should delete the pwd and reboot
[03:07] <cthulchu_> will try doing that
[03:07] <Blakeanator400> Im having issues getting any sound out of my logitech g560 speakers. I have ran alsa to see if they were muted, i have re-installed pulseaudio and alsa, I have also tried using different usb ports but nothing has worked......Do Logitech speakers work with Ubuntu?
[03:08] <sarnold> kontra2: *maybe* wine can run the arm windows binaries, but I know next to nothing about the ARM builds of windows
[03:08] <sarnold> kontra2: but you won't be able to directly run binaries built for an amd64 or x86 processor on an aarch64 processor
[03:09] <sarnold> kontra2: *maybe* qemu can do software emulation of an amd64 or x86 processor, and maybe that'll be enough to run wine, but I'd be very surprised. no one ever accused the aarch64 procesors of being fast :(
[03:10] <quadrathoch2> i guess with having a ryzen cpu, and it's super slow to emulate arm64, I don't wanna know what the other way around would result
[03:14] <SrPx> How can I find the keycode for AltGr (ISO_Level3_Shift)? When I press the right Alt of my keyboard, it says 108, but I believe that is different from AltGr, since it doesn't output the expected characters.
[03:18] <tomreyn> SrPx: this is me pressing AltGr+e (€) on a German keyboard layout https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zgBMZHJK3Q/
[03:26] <cthulchu_> guake is a nice terminal!
[03:26] <cthulchu_> not as awesome as iterm2 but it will do
[03:28] <cthulchu_> and I couldn't figure how to use gnome with no pwd
[03:28] <cthulchu_> looks like, just like macos, it forces you to use one
[03:29] <sarnold> loads of people set up ubuntu without a password in the installer
[03:29] <sarnold> don't they?
[03:29] <sarnold> or is that just "autologin"?
[03:29] <sarnold> I've nevre particularly wanted a password-free system myself, but I'm pretty sure it's easy enoug to get in the installer
[03:30] <sarnold> I don't think gnome would care much one way or the other, it's pretty flexible
[03:30] <sarnold> anyway, time for me to run :) have fun
[03:30] <cthulchu_> I think it's autologin or something
[03:36] <SrPx> tomreyn: thank you so much
[03:36] <SrPx> sadly, my Ubuntu stopped booting entirely after I attempted editing "xkb/keycodes/evdev" to replace Caps Lock by AltGr.
[03:36] <SrPx> it doesn't load anymore at all.
[03:36] <SrPx> doesn't even get to the login screen.
[03:37] <SrPx> is there anything I can do other than reinstalling it all again?
[03:37] <tomreyn> !recovery | SrPx
[03:37] <sarnold> SrPx: dpkg -S xkb/keycodes/evdev  to find the package that owns the file, then apt install --reinstall
[03:38] <sarnold> SrPx: if you want to fiddle with keyboard mappings, use setxkbmap(1) instead
[03:40] <SrPx> thanks, I was able to get root on recovery mode
[03:41] <SrPx> sarnold, ubottu: ty
[03:42] <sarnold> SrPx: it was tomreyn who knew the handy recovery mode botthingy :)
[03:42] <sarnold> time for me to bail, have fun
[03:42] <SrPx> sarnold: yea but I was going to ask how to recover the original file
[03:42] <sarnold> SrPx: ah! :D
[03:44] <SrPx> it worked, uff
[03:44] <SrPx> surgical
[03:45] <tomreyn> !cookie | ubottu
[03:45] <tomreyn> not i, you!
[03:47] <SrPx> tomreyn: so, there it seems that AltGr is 108, exactly the same value I see. But you can output special characters with it, I can't. Weird
[03:47] <SrPx> even weirder, if I remap AltGR or Caps Lock to ISO_Level3_Shift, I'm able to output all the special characters of my keyboard layout
[03:48] <SrPx> I have no idea how ISO_Level3_Shift is related/different from AltGR or AltR though
[04:00] <sharpie> tomreyn, yeah mailscanner was the shit. we used it for hundreds of of domains. clamav perl, spam assassination, and Julian was great about providing support. Not sure about the product now, but it was impressive at the time.
[04:03] <sharpie> sarnold, I totally understand. However for my purposes (wireguard, unbound, pihole) , I'll be ok with a couple minutes of downtime
[04:13] <cthulchu_> uh, I enjoy Ubuntu too much
[04:35] <cthulchu_> odd... even chrome works faster
[04:35] <cthulchu_> for some reason
[04:35] <cthulchu_> I wonder why
[04:50] <tenissonben> is there a way to make output of bash command invisibe(not redirect), like we can do with input using ssty -echo, is there something we can do to hide the output?
[05:14] <Squarism> im testing my 3d in a game. I get screen tearing. in windows i knew i could enforce some vsync thingy with directx settings. In linux, i have no clue.
[05:25] <fake128> hey all
[06:44] <Furai> Hey, what was the channel for graphic team? Guys who take care of nvidia builds?
[06:48] <cthulchu_> it's odd that I can't perform ctrl+shift+arrows to select a whole word to the left or right
[06:48] <cthulchu_> I wonder if there's an extension that makes it possible. It's a small thing, but would be ice to fix
[06:49] <devilspie> Hi all, ever since I installed Ubuntu 20.04, I have been having this weird problem. My HP laptop suspends after being locked for more than 20 minutes. I have tried many options but none of them worked. I didn't have this problem in Ubuntu 19.04. Please help
[06:54] <cthulchu_> oh, no, my bad, it works. just had to switch my layout change hotkey from ctrl_shift
[07:02] <NerdsVsJocks> Good evening, use network manager, connect to the internet and vpn service. since a recent update vpn disconnects w/o regular connection disconnecting, picked the option in the connnection options to 'only connect through vpn'. how do I fix this?
[07:30] <karstenk> Good morning! I got my new ultrawide 32:9 screen and would like to have  three monitors on that single screen. Reading a lot about fakexrandr, xrandr, wayland, xorg, X11. But all I try is not working. Iam ending in karsten@tomws01:~$ xrandr --listactivemonitorsMonitors: 30: DP-0-1 1280/297x1440/340+0+0  DP-01: DP-0-2 2560/594x1440/340+1280+02: DP-0-3 1280/297x1440/340+3840+0
[07:30] <karstenk> But Iam still on a single screen of full size.
[07:31] <karstenk> my system ist kde 5.18 on ubuntu 20.04LTS
[07:32] <karstenk> no and I do not want to use awm or other tilling manager.
[07:36] <karstenk> so first of all, why xrand --listactivemonitors show 3 monitors, but my environment is still a single screen. Where does this listactivemonitors effect not my desktop? I expect to have 3 Monitors in configuration, but still one.
[07:38] <karstenk> that discussion is about 3 years old https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2017-March/058634.html  and linux in general has no option to split a single screen into multiple?
[08:49] <JediMaster> Hey TJ- , I thought the CPU melting/monitor modelines were sorted, but I'm seeing things getting slow and CPU hitting 80C with the fans on max, and the clock frequency of the Core i5 dropping down to 1Ghz from 3.8Ghz - Do you have any ideas how to pinpoint what it is that's making the CPU heat up? I'm seeing high temperatures, high loads (5-10 with 4 cores), but I'm also seeing 25% user, 25% sys and 50% idle cpu, it's really weird.
[08:50] <Furai> JediMaster, did you rule out that your machine is simply dirty inside and isn't cooling down properly?
[08:50] <JediMaster> It's a Core i5-7600T
[08:50] <Furai> Like, when was the last time you had cleaned it inside and reapplied thermal paste/thermal pads?
[08:50] <JediMaster> Furai, I did think of that, I've cleaned the stock intel CPU cooler out
[08:51] <Furai> Is that a laptop?
[08:51] <JediMaster> However, I don't see these issues when booting into Windows 10, with the same tabs open in Chrome, doing the same work with the equivilant apps
[08:51] <JediMaster> Furai, no, small ITX motherboard desktop system
[08:52] <JediMaster> It did appear to be monitor related at one point, TJ- helped me out with it
[08:52] <Furai> And if you run any benchmarking tool on windows machine, can you get the same issues of it overheating?
[08:53] <JediMaster> I'm using the onboard/on-intel-chip GPU driving dual 4k screens, one HDMI and one DP, and the DP monitor seemed to be causing the issues
[08:53] <JediMaster> Furai, no, hence I think it's something on the Ubuntu side
[08:54] <JediMaster> I am expecting a much more capable cooler & fan to arrive today, but it's not a fix for the issue, it'll just protect the CPU
[08:55] <JediMaster> And hopefully make it a damn site quieter, all I can hear is the CPU fan revving from about 75-100% constantly
[08:55] <Furai> Throttling already kind of protects it.
[08:55] <JediMaster> I saw it hit 90C while throttled
[08:55] <JediMaster> that's almost dye melting temperatures
[08:56] <JediMaster> But the issue really is that while I'm doing very little, e.g. right now I've only got IRC and on a skype call, and the machine is falling over
[08:56] <JediMaster> The CPU is hitting 70C
[08:57] <TJ-> JediMaster: Is it a desktop or laptop system? I'm suspecting poor thermal compound on the CPU
[08:58] <JediMaster> Hey TJ- , desktop, remember the issues earlier in the week with the Modleine on the Asus 4k DP monitor?
[08:58] <JediMaster> TJ-, I don't see this behaviour while actually stressing the machine in Windows
[08:59] <JediMaster> CPU runs nearly 15-20C lower in Windows, which is not something I like typing.
[09:00] <JediMaster> you were looking at the EDID issues on the intel driver I believe
[09:01] <tartar> how can i `adduser` without having to fill in the name, email, etc?
[09:02] <JediMaster> Just opened Chrome and CPU is hititng 80C =/
[09:02] <TJ-> JediMaster: I know, which means it's not physical then, or the windows drivers better handle the thermal issues before it hits the throttling stage
[09:02] <tartar> (i don't care about their values)
[09:02] <TJ-> JediMaster: I suspect then this is related to ACPI and so-called C-states (lower power ratchets in the CPU die)
[09:02] <JediMaster> TJ-, yeah, just in case I've got a huge hefty CPU cooler & fan on it's way today
[09:02] <TJ-> JediMaster: remind me - did you try the acpi_osi+ workaround for ACPI issues?
[09:03] <JediMaster> TJ-, no, do you have any details?
[09:03] <TJ-> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[09:03] <JediMaster> Skype call just finished and the load is dropping, CPU down to 51C. hmm
[09:04] <rud0lf> Skype is a weird thing
[09:04] <rud0lf> i've read somewhere they captured it sending encrypted data to server with no user activity
[09:04] <rud0lf> maybe it's just keepalive signal, maybe it's not
[09:05] <JediMaster> Now in yet another meeting, Google Meet this time, no issues now
[09:05] <tartar> anyone?
[09:14] <lovelytingy> hi i have a issue i have linux as host os & window7 in virtualbox i want to use qualcomm 9008 that i attched to linux using usb but window need serial port how i do that anyone
[09:22] <lovelytingy> guys plz
[09:33] <JediMaster> TJ-, love the domain =)
[09:33] <JediMaster> What TLD is that?
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:26] <kaddi> I'm running 20.04 and have an unencrypted install. I'm looking at adding a user with an encrypted home directory (for work purposes). Is there a good way of doing this? I would like to avoid to have an external drive I need to mount and decrypt before being able to access the home directory?
[10:27] <kaddi> in a similar way: how doable is it to have that user account on an external drive?
[10:28] <TJ-> kaddi: we /used/ to use ecryptfs but that bit-rotted and is no longer maintained so was stopped. It's an option if pushed. Kernel now supports per-directory file-system encrpytion for ext4 but so far Ubuntu has no automated tooling to set that up, but would be the preferred option
[11:10] <kaddi> TJ-: per directory encryption sounds pretty awesome. Thanks! I'll have a look if there's a tool I can use for that. Do you know if there's any repositories I should look at or just take it to google and see what comes up?
[11:11] <Ben64> Finally upgraded to 20.04.... can't get keyboard shortcuts to work for a couple keys, disabled shortcuts for calculator and volume up, yet those keys still do those functions. Where else can I check?
[11:13] <JediMaster> TJ-, excellent description of the issue and fixes, however I've got a very minor fix for your Windows-acpi_osi instructions, the last echo command should be after the "sudo update-grub" otherwise the updated config has yet to be written and it shows the same result "Existing command line" one
[11:13] <raghukamath> hey guys are there any devs from snapcraft here?
[11:13] <raghukamath> wanted to provide feedback on the krita snap which has file system permission issue
[11:14] <JediMaster> TJ-, as the sed command modifies /etc/default/grub but the config() function looks at /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which isn't modified until update-grub is run
[11:42] <Ben64> ok got shortcuts working, had to manually disable everything in dconf-editor, log out, log back in, then set shortcuts
[11:46] <TJ-> JediMaster: nicely spotted - script is OK but the config line should be repeated
[11:48] <TJ-> JediMaster: actually no it is correct; I think you misunderstood the code
[11:49] <TJ-> JediMaster: ah no, I see it now, doh
[12:02] <foxen__> heyo o/
[12:03] <foxen__> how can I debug resume from suspend not working? Instead I get a hard reboot
[12:03] <foxen__> not sure where to start on that one
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: search for acpi issues in your dmesg
[12:04] <yelowfish> hi all.i created a partition for files,but it keeps on saying : You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of...
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> !acpi | foxen__
[12:04] <foxen__> lotuspsychje: thanks :)
[12:05] <yelowfish> already change the permission settings of that partition while on root.
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: for a realtime logging, try journalctl -f and suspend/resume see what errors you get
[12:05] <coconut> Anyone knows where to find natural scrolling for mouse on mate desktop?
[12:06] <foxen__> lotuspsychje: will i be able to see the logs after it reboots?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: not realtime journal, you need another -b flag afterwards to lookup previous logs then
[12:08] <foxen__> thanks again :)
[12:19] <foxen__> so journalctl doesn't have any specific info for me :(
[12:19] <foxen__> the lsat entries before the reboot are just about the suspend
[12:20] <foxen__> s/lsat/last
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: could you pastebin your dmesg please, volunteers can take a look for you
[12:26] <yelowfish> is there an issue with xfs partitioning & 16.04 ?
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> yelowfish: to get specific help, we advice to ask your detailed question specificly to the channel so volunteers can try helping you the best possible
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> !details | yelowfish
[12:29] <yelowfish> hi,sorry.
[12:29] <yelowfish> this drive is picky.it always wants me to be a root user before i can use it for storing files.
[12:30] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : Do you know where I can find the log for snap application holding the shutdown time ?
[12:30] <yelowfish> im linking all the default folder to this drive,ie: desktop,my documents,downloads,and it doesnt mount automaticaly
[12:31] <nbusrone> There is a work around but I wanted to know which snap application can't be shutdown http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/12/slow-shutdown-stop-job-running/
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: is an installed snap preventing your system to shutdown?
[12:31] <yelowfish> i tried alot already,i might overcomplicate the issue :(
[12:33] <nbusrone> <lotuspsychje: same problem which this issue http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/12/slow-shutdown-stop-job-running/ .It wait for snap to exit , count timer is 1:30minuites but i wanted to know which apps that preventing it to shutdown
[12:33] <yelowfish> i just wanted this drive to give access,read,write and act as non root
[12:34] <nbusrone> /var/log   ? I didn't find any snap at syslog
[12:35] <AlexMax> For some reason it's now taking an exceptionally long time for the icon bar on the left to populate
[12:36] <yelowfish> it was partitioned to xfs prior to installing windows and ubuntu..
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: bug #1873550
[12:36] <AlexMax> It wasn't always like this, but after an update now I log in and the icon bar on the left is blank for like 30 seconds
[12:37] <scythefwd2> appears the bluetooth / wifi pcie card on my destop board isn't well liked by ubuntu, at least the bluetooth part.  Anyone got a hardware recommendation for one?
[12:37] <foxen__> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FkjfkzBJMn/  hopefully I have the right info in here?
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: what gives lsb_release -a
[12:40] <foxen__> i am on bionic, 18.04
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: wich point version?
[12:40] <foxen__> ah sorry 18.04.4
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: on ubuntu studio or so?
[12:42] <foxen__> no, the kernel is lowlatency because I recompiled it
[12:42] <foxen__> I can switch back to a more supported one
[12:43] <foxen__> but I don't think it's a kernel issue
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: yeah please boot into the current bionic kernel please for testing
[12:43] <foxen__> okie
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: also for acpi issues, its adviced to biosupdate
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> foxen__: i see your bios is from 2014, doublecheck?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: could add your experience to this bug, and affect yourself?
[12:49] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje: Ok , i will add it , I can't find the snap log on which applicaiton holding , the most from sys is "Jul 17 07:05:31 ng-desktop snapd[2842]: storehelpers.go:438: cannot refresh: snap has no updates available: "core18", "gnome-3-28-1804", "gnome-3-34-1804", "gnome-calculator", "gnome-characters", "gnome-logs", "gnome-system-monitor", "gtk-common-themes"
[12:49] <nbusrone> "
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: before you shutdown, journalctl -f to see a realtime of whats happening to your system, often snapd/snaps live their own life in there, doing things
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: wich ubuntu version does this occur?
[12:52] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje: Thanks i will try it , it happen few time already ,.My system is 18.04 , and snapd 2.45.1
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !info snapd bionic
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> allrighty nbusrone
[12:55] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje: I am at the latest version , check with 2.45.1+18.04.2 size : 97.7 MB Download : 19.8 MB at synaptic
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: feel free to pastebin your df -h
[12:56] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FNbmYWMYbR/
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: nothing special snaps installed hmmz
[13:01] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje: I suspect either /snap/gnome-system-monitor or /snap/gtk-common-themes/ since i always open system-monitor but the system monitor wasn't from snap.Maybe gtk since i install gnome-flashback
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: im not really sure its caused by some snap, ive seen several services lagging before the same way on shutdown, a stop job is running for..
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> network, snapd, plymouth
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: you have the same issue on both gnome3 and gnome flashback?
[13:11] <kontra2> how to install qemu on rpi4?
[13:12] <kontra2> how to install qemu on rpi4?
[13:15] <deltreey> firefox still seems pretty bad with touchscreen.  I can't just drag the page up and down/side to side; instead I have to try to select the scrollbar.  Is there a setting to help with that?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> kontra2, ask in #raspberrypi chat
[13:15] <kontra2> ok I will 😊
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> deltreey: an alternate for touch devices, is trying out unity desktop instead of gnome, compare touch support?
[13:17] <deltreey> I'm on cinnamon at the moment
[13:17] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : never try gdm3 but it seldom happen , there is a time while I install chromium though snap and shutdown with timer as before.
[13:18] <deltreey> but I can pull down unity and see if it helps
[13:18] <kontra2> BluesKaj: but I am using ubuntu mate desktopify edition
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: what i always do  is install preload and haveged, then trim down startup items and tweak systemd services, it might influence your boot & shutdown times
[13:21] <AlexMax> Hrm.  I installed Kubuntu-desktop from a Ubuntu install, and after giving it a whirl I uninstalled it.  But now my Qt apps don't have correct fonts
[13:23] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : any guide for the tweak to trim down those setting ? thoug boot time doesn't effect much since it's still fresh install 18.04 with ssd , not over  a minutes for boot but the snap timer is 1:30minuites , not often.I will set the timer to lower again.
[13:23] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : I will file the bug afterwards , thanks anyway will type journalctl -f to look for anything issue again when shutdown.
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: type: sudo sed -i "s/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g" /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop from a terminal to see all your startup items
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> nbusrone: another option could be jumping to 20.04 soon, much faster overall then bionic
[13:25] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : but 20.04 not running well on gnomeflash-back with lack of setting i suppose.
[13:27] <zzarr> Hello!
[13:28] <kontra2> lotuspsychje: I installed wine on rpi4 running on desktopify edition of ubuntu mate 20.04, but I couldn't get any .exe apps to install with it.
[13:30] <zzarr> I can't get PulseAudio to recognize my 5.1 sound over HDMI om an AMD V1605B Ryzen SoC
[13:30] <nbusrone> lotuspsychje : my startup app https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QbFzC54Vf8/
[13:30] <kontra2> I contacted you day before yesterday, if you remember lotuspsychje
[13:43] <akik> there's something called safe graphics in the 20.04 installer. it seems to add nomodeset kernel parameter. that makes the install not able to start the gui in a qemu vm using -vga virtio
[13:47] <JediMaster> TJ-, :-) again thanks for the help, not sure it's made any difference yet as it doesn't always happen, but I've just got a monster 135W TDP rated heatsink with copper heat pipes for the 35W TDP CPU, it really can't overheat now =), BRB installing it now!
[13:48] <Ublx> I had a message with "Please install GLIB 2.28, libavcodec53 and libavformat53 for Ubuntu." - what packages do I have to install for those three?
[13:49] <Ublx> Or is there a search tool where I could find them for myself?
[13:49] <Ublx> Don't tell me google. ;)
[13:49] <tomreyn> what was the source of this message, which ubuntu release are you running?
[13:50] <Ublx> It's TWS, a trading tool, and I am using 18.04, tomreyn.
[13:52] <tomreyn> Ublx: libavcodec53 and libavformat53 packages are available for ubuntu 18.04. you don't want to try to install a different version of glibc
[13:52] <akik> Ublx mentioned glib
[13:54] <tomreyn> libglib2.0-0 is v 2.56.4 on 18.04
[13:54] <tomreyn> newer is usually fine
[13:54] <Ublx> The first two packages cannot be found by the system, tomreyn.
[13:55] <tomreyn> oh sorry i was wrong,t hose versions aren't available on 18.04
[13:55] <tomreyn> those were available back on 12.04
[13:55] <tomreyn> libavcodec57 libavformat57 are on 18.04
[13:55] <Ublx> So, the program asks for old libraries. Do you think it's possible to solve this with 18.04?
[13:56] <Ublx> Ah, I'll try.
[13:56] <kontra2> brb
[13:56] <Ublx> Both packages are already installed. I got the message.
[13:57] <Ublx> What about the libglib2.0-0?
[13:57] <Ublx> Okay, libglib2.0-0 is also already installed ... :(
[14:13] <SrPx> Does anyone know why changing the “/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/us” file causes my setxkbmap command to stop working?
[14:13] <SrPx> I've been stuck on this problem for hours and I can't figure it out
[14:13] <SrPx> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/598954/why-changing-the-usr-share-x11-xkb-symbols-us-file-causes-setxkbmap-to-stop-w
[14:14] <SrPx> Here are the changes I made, nothing important, just remapped some symbols and it loads fine. Why would it break setxkbmap? Makes no sense.
[14:14] <SrPx> *sighs*
[14:18] <akik> why doesn't ubuntu 20.04 stop at the grub menu when i press left shift?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> akik: you might need to edit grub timeout
[14:18] <Ublx> I just checked another time: All 3 libraries are already installed. Do you have another idea, how to solve it, tomreyn?
[14:18] <alexeightsix> whenever i watch a video (youtube, vlc) or simply move a window around it will lag, how can i fix this
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> akik: sometimes grub menu is hidden style
[14:19] <akik> lotuspsychje: it booted really fast, i had to be quick
[14:19] <AlexMax> Why is it that when I shut off extensions in the GNOME tweak tool nothing about my desktop changes?  I'd like to shut off the ubuntu shell and desktop icons  but turning it off does nothing eveen after a logout/login cycle
[14:21] <AlexMax> actually, can anybody hear me?  I'm using a matrix bridge and  I'm not sure my questions have been seen...
[14:22] <akik> AlexMax: yes
[14:22] <Salatwurzel> AlexMax, try it with the gnome tool "extensions", i had some problem with that stuff in the tweak tool too
[14:22] <AlexMax> ah, thanks
[14:23] <Salatwurzel> AlexMax, should be preinstalled afaik, if not just install it. "gnome-extensions" :)
[14:23] <AlexMax> i understand the nature of community support, but for a moment I was worried that the reason people weren't reasponding might've been because the matrix bridge might be glitched or something
[14:23] <AlexMax> thanks
[14:24] <AlexMax> I presume you mean gonme-shell-extensions
[14:25] <AlexMax> Ah, there we go
[14:26] <AlexMax> that seems to do a thing
[14:26] <AlexMax> thanks
[14:26] <Salatwurzel> np bro
[14:29] <AlexMax> yeah, i think I prefer having more space on the left, and desktop icons never seemed to work right when dragging from a desktop icon elsewhere
[14:32] <tomreyn> Ublx: no, other suggestions from me, i don't know that software. Talk to their support, I'd say.
[14:47] <SrPx> okay I finally fixed the issue
[14:48] <SrPx> by rewriting the us file symbol by symbol
[14:48] <SrPx> now it is the same file as before but it doesn't crash setxkbmap lol
[14:48] <SrPx> the last thing I need now is to remap Caps Lock to AltGr (i.e., to output special characters) with setxkbmap. how I can do that?
[14:49] <SrPx> I've tried `setxkbmap -option caps:lv3` but that doesn't work
[14:50] <SrPx> or basically, how exactly can I output the 3rd/4th characters of my keyboard layout?
[14:51] <SrPx> `setxkbmap -option caps:ralt_rctrl` doesn't work either
[14:53] <flyn4x4> tomreyn Thank you once again, I didn't do anything after chatting with you yesterday, but today I booted into 20.04 live usb and wifi didn't work then I booted into my 20.04 upgraded from 18 and it just worked. Don't know what changed but ill take it.
[14:55] <SrPx> Just to be clear, the keyboard layout allows us to have 4 characters on each key, but I can only output the left ones: https://imgur.com/a/pvOzVUD
[14:57] <Ublx> tomreyn: thanks anyway
[14:59] <akik> lotuspsychje: the grub timeout was 0 in /etc/default/grub
[15:01] <JediMaster> Hey TJ-, *cough* (not COVID), found out what it was for sure
[15:02] <TJ-> JediMaster: go on :)
[15:02] <TJ-> JediMaster: didn't take the the plastic insulator off the CPU? :D
[15:02] <JediMaster> TJ-, as I went to replace the stock intel heatsink and fan, the whole thing was loose because of those dreadful plastic lugs they use to anchor down into the motherboard
[15:02] <JediMaster> TJ-, lol not THAT bad!
[15:03] <TJ-> :P well so it ws phyiscal but Windows didn't stress it nearly as much
[15:03] <JediMaster> yeah, it was really weird, no issues at all in Windows, but in Linux it really suffered from the CPU throttling
[15:03] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: the difference betweenthe live system and the installed system will be that the installed system will have updated packages, with bug fixes.
[15:04] <JediMaster> TJ-, running idle before at 50C, and 90C when loaded, using 50% CPU but throttled way back to 1Ghz
[15:04] <JediMaster> TJ-, now it's at 31C idle and completely silent (not bad considering it's 25C in here), and about to test at load
[15:05] <JediMaster> This heat sink is a monster. It's 2/3 the size of the motherboard (mini ITX)
[15:05] <JediMaster> and virtually silent with the fan at 100%
[15:05] <JediMaster> Which you'd expect from a good 120mm fan that is nearly the size of the motherboard
[15:07] <flyn4x4> tomreyn makes me want to go research kernel bug fixes in the last 3 days...
[15:09] <tomreyn> flyn4x4: start by reading the changelogs. i forgot the details of what we discussed yesterday, so (only!) if there's something you're looking for help with now, please repeat the details.
[15:10] <flyn4x4> ;D
[15:10] <JediMaster> TJ-, 49C under continuous load with stress with CPU at 3.2Ghz, damn that's much better =D
[15:12] <JediMaster> TJ-, I suspect the reason that disconnecting the DP 4k monitor relieved the issue in the first place was simply because the GPU is on-chip on the CPU and was just enough work to push the CPU temp into throttling
[15:14] <JediMaster> The machine is gloriously fast now, really snappy. Sticking with Ubuntu for the desktop now! No idea why Windows works so well while the CPU is melting, I suspect Ubuntu is better at protecting it from damage
[15:15] <JediMaster> it was running 10C hotter than T-Junction specification (80C max for the CPU die)
[15:15] <JediMaster> For at least the last few months, eep
[15:18] <JediMaster> TJ-, thanks again for the help
[15:59] <jamesbond007> i have a swap partition. i want to delete it and use swapfile instead. how to go about this. i have already created a swapfile - with fallocate
[16:00] <quadrathoch2> jamesbond007 swapoff /dev/sdxX, delete the partition, repurpose the free space, (if you didn't mkswap /path/to/file) swapon /path/to/file
[16:02] <kotek> quadrathoch2:  there any advantages over a swap partition?
[16:03] <quadrathoch2> i guess you could resize the file however you want after setting up the system, if you would need space, or rather use more swap for suspend
[16:03] <quadrathoch2> it's just a little bit more versatile
[16:04] <jamesbond007> the flexibility is extremely liberating
[16:04] <TJ-> swap isn't need for suspend, only hibernation
[16:04] <quadrathoch2> TJ- thanks for the correction, I always guess the wrong one :x
[16:05] <TJ-> quadrathoch2: I know how it is :)
[16:08] <jamesbond007> quadrathoch2 swapoff: /dev/sda2: swapoff failed: Invalid argument
[16:11] <jamesbond007> it was already inactive so i am deleting the partition now; skipped swapoff step for now.
[16:11] <quadrathoch2> jamesbond007 what happens with sudo swapoff -a
[16:12] <jamesbond007> i am still waiting for the partition to be deleted. it is taking longer and longer..
[16:13] <quadrathoch2> how are you deleting it?
[16:13] <jamesbond007> disks gui
[16:13] <jamesbond007> executed swapoff -a
[16:13] <jamesbond007> again waiting
[16:14] <pavlos> can you paste /etc/fstab
[16:18] <jamesbond007> Error deleting partition /dev/sda2 : Failed to inform OS about changes on the /dev/sda Partition(s)2 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes.
[16:18] <jamesbond007> (udisks-error-quark, 0)
[16:19] <jamesbond007> this is the error message that i have received which was on my screen and now i have closed
[16:21] <pavlos> swapon -s will show swap devices
[16:32] <jamesbond007> https://pastebin.com/nRnHJ4kY
[16:32] <jamesbond007> result of swapon -s
[16:33] <jamesbond007> pavlos what now
[16:33] <quadrathoch2> jamesbond007 could you paste the output of /etc/fstab
[16:34] <jamesbond007> https://pastebin.com/63784Rki
[16:34] <pavlos> swapoff /dev/dm-0, then swapon -s should show used=zero
[16:35] <jamesbond007> quadrathoch2 https://pastebin.com/63784Rki
[16:42] <pavlos> some info ... https://www.logilab.org/blogentry/29155
[16:56] <catbeard> hi all, what is the correct way to assign multiple public static ips on a single interface using /etc/network/interfaces
[16:57] <catbeard> ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS bionic
[17:04] <Linkandzelda> might be a silly question but how do i use "ssh-copy-id" if password authentication is not enabled?
[17:05] <pavlos> catbeard: you mean like eth0:0 points to ip1, eth0:1 points to ip2 ... look for interface aliasing
[17:05] <quadrathoch2> Linkandzelda well how are you authenticate without a password or key?
[17:07] <Linkandzelda> quadrathoch2: i have 1 machine's key on the server already, and figuring out the best way to add other keys of other machines
[17:07] <quackgyver> Anyone here good at TigerVNC?
[17:07] <pavlos> catbeard: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration, look for this section "Multiple IP addresses on one Interface"
[17:08] <quadrathoch2> Linkandzelda  add it to authorized_keys
[17:08] <quadrathoch2> the pub key
[17:08] <Linkandzelda> quadrathoch2: ok, will do it that way then
[17:09] <jamesbond007> thanks quadrathoch2 pavlos
[17:09] <jamesbond007> i need to restart the system
[17:09] <jamesbond007> have a good day
[17:09] <pavlos> yw
[17:11] <SrPx> Is there any way to remap shortcuts on Chrome on Ubuntu?
[17:11] <catbeard> pavlos: tried that
[17:11] <catbeard> getting a RTNETLINK error
[17:11] <SrPx> For example, I want <C-h> to go a tab left.
[17:13] <jrgilman> Hey guys, still having audio issues with my set-up where audio just randomly decides to cut out. I've been watching dmesg like a hawk with music playing in the background and when i notice it cuts out i check, but there doesn't seem to be any information. I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 and I'm using a Focusrite Scarlett Solo usb sound card. The sound card is connected via my thunderbolt 3 dock so this could potentially
[17:13] <jrgilman> also be a problem area, but I don't see anything in the logs. Am I looking at the wrong logs?
[17:18] <toxic> hello everyone, I'mm looking for the equivalent ip6table rule to the following 2 iptable v4 rules :
[17:18] <toxic>  iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br-lan -p udp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:5353
[17:18] <pavlos> catbeard: are you using netplan? can you post it?
[17:18] <toxic> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i br-lan -p tcp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:5353
[17:18] <toxic> My issue is that I don't know how to specify the destination port 5353 on the ipv6 fd16:f15:81bf::1
[17:18] <toxic> ::1:5353 at then end will most likely not work for me :(
[17:19] <catbeard> pavlos: there's an update for that in apt
[17:19] <catbeard> but i don't know if i'm using it
[17:19] <catbeard> how would i tell
[17:24] <_Sym_> toxic, like this: $IP6TABLES -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to-destination [::1]:$PROXY_PORT
[17:24] <pavlos> toxic: try [ ipv6 ]:5353
[17:24] <toxic> thanks a lot !
[17:25] <SrPx> Ok, seems like there is no way to remap shortcuts on Brave at all. Only on Linux. (wtf)
[17:25] <SrPx> I wonder how the no-mouse people manage to browse sites then? Do they just give up and use the mouse?
[17:26] <toxic> _Sym_: and pavlos, thanks a lot, sadlly I'm on openWRT and it seems their ip6table has no NAT table : -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -j DNAT --to-destination [::1]:$PROXY_PORT
[17:26] <SrPx> I'm just trying to make next/previous tab consistent on all apps. Shouldn't be that hard *sighs*
[17:26] <SrPx> on osx it is literally a single system setting
[17:26] <toxic> ip6tables v1.8.3 (legacy): can't initialize ip6tables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)
[17:26] <_Sym_> toxic, its a kernel module
[17:27] <toxic> oh, found it for openWRT ;) thanks
[17:27] <_Sym_> CONFIG_NF_NAT_IPV6=y
[17:27] <toxic> ip6tables-mod-nat
[17:29] <pavlos> catbeard: do you have /etc/network/interfaces file? if not, you're using netplan
[17:33] <toxic> _Sym_: it seems to work fine now, thanks a lot !
[17:34] <SrPx> Okay, I've tried on Brave, Chrome, Firefox, I've tried several extensions and nothing allows me to remap Next/Previous tab to <C-h>. At all.
[17:34] <SrPx> Honestly disappointed, Linux was supposed to be more configurable than Mac and Windows but you can't remap shortcuts?
[17:34] <toxic> if you could help me understand why you replaced PREROUTING with OUTPUT, that would help me understand. I have 2 DNS servers running, one on port 53 which I want not to use, and one on port 5353 which I want to be used instead.
[17:35] <SrPx> For example, Chrome has no remappings, so you need an extension. But the extension doesn't work on Ubuntu, only Windows. So either way you can't remap shortcuts on Chrome on Ubuntu,
[17:35] <SrPx> Firefox has an extension that supports Linux. But it can't bypass Firefox's native bindings, so you can't remap <C-h> at all
[17:35] <pavlos> catbeard: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux section "Ubuntu Server" shows you a netplan example, you have to tweak lines 7-10 and add enp0s3:1
[17:35] <SrPx> I'm mind-blown
[17:35] <_Sym_> toxic, im using the examples provided for dnscrypt-proxy
[17:35] <Jordan_U> SrPx: We're happy to provide support when we can, but when nobody has an answer to your question it doesn't help to just complain. If you'd like a productive way to complain that might actually reach developers then you can file a bug report.
[17:35] <toxic> I thought I needed to "cath" the trafic early, I don't understand how an OUTPUT rule could match it before it reaches my dns server running on port 53
[17:36] <toxic> _Sym_: ah, ok, so maybe I need to keep my prerouting stuff and just use the [::1]:port syntax
[17:36] <_Sym_> toxic, https://github.com/syphyr/dnscrypt_proxy_prebuilt/blob/master/dnscrypt-iptables
[17:37] <SrPx> Jordan_U: sorry, I'm just venting. I expected shortcuts would have a better system-wide treatment on Linux, specially considering it is used by people that love to automate and configure their workflows; but seems like that isn't the case. I'm not complaining though, just a little bit disappointed. Not anyone here's fault, sorry if I made it seem like so
[17:37] <SrPx> I mean I am sharing the good experiences too so yea
[17:40] <_Sym_> toxic, I think OUTPUT just covers all outgoing requests
[17:40] <toxic> yeah, no problem, I used my prerouting rule with your ipv6 address syntax and I'm rebooting the router to test ;)
[17:45] <_Sym_> toxic, PREROUTING: Immediately after being received by an interface. POSTROUTING: Right before leaving an interface. INPUT: Right before being handed to a local process. OUTPUT: Right after being created by a local process.
[17:46] <_Sym_> so I'm using OUTPUT because its on localhost
[17:46] <_Sym_> you would use PREROUTING if its coming in on another interface
[18:10] <Brandybuck> Hi all - Is this a forum where I can ask some newbie install questions?? If not point me to the right place please...
[18:11] <quadrathoch2> this is a chat rather than a forum. but all support questions are welcome here Brandybuck :)
[18:11] <_Sym_> if its related to ubuntu
[18:12] <Brandybuck> I had to gt the Mrs a new laptop so I am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 LTS on aher old HP Elitebook 640G1… created a bootable USB stick booted into it and told it to install and have fun…. It did
[18:13] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Your comment seems to have been cut off at "It did".
[18:14] <Brandybuck> Install done remove stick reboot…. tried to PXE boot so I got into the BIOS and removed PXE boot option… now it says cannot find OS on the HD… I know it finished the install including the SSH server etc…. boot is set to UEFI CSM(?)   What am I doing wrong… Tried legacy boot and I am at the same place
[18:15] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Are you booted from an Ubuntu LiveUSB on that machine at the moment? If not, that's the first step to help us get the information to troubleshoot this.
[18:17] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Please boot said Ubuntu LiveUSB via UEFI (not CSM). We can get more information that way.
[18:17] <Brandybuck> I can boot into the 20.04 LTS stick… What info do you need and I can get it Different computer different room…Actually I downloaded the server version of LTS and used that…
[18:18] <Brandybuck> Will do… Give me a few I will bgo get the stick and go boot the system and get back here
[18:18] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: You'll have an easier time getting us information from the Desktop LiveUSB than the server LiveUSB I think.
[18:19] <Brandybuck> OK… In that case I will get the desktop live USB and boot into it..
[18:19] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: First thing that would help would be the output of "sudo efibootmgr". Do you know how to run commands in the terminal and post the results to https://pastebin.ubuntu.com ?
[18:20] <Brandybuck> Yes and Yes…. I am an odl SunOS schnock… and BSD gue so command lines donot worry me I am at home on them most of the time
[18:21] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: I'll be gone for 30 minutes to an hour (maybe dropping in quickly before then, maybe not). But others here will likely be able to help you, and if not I do plan to be back and will look at what you have posted since I left.
[18:21] <Brandybuck> Thank you guys
[18:26] <quadrathoch2> Brandybuck just post the output when you are ready
[18:38] <openface> i have virtualbox-6.1.6 installed by .deb packages from website but apt-get mechanism does not find but it's in system how can i remove it perm
[18:38] <openface> only dpkg -l shows it
[18:38] <openface> i mean apt-get remove not helps
[18:38] <openface> :)
[18:39] <mbeierl> openface, dpkg.  dpkg -r package
[18:39] <openface> nt helps
[18:39] <openface> rc  virtualbox     6.1.10-dfsg-1~ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64        x86 virtualization solution - base binaries
[18:39] <mbeierl> what is the name of the package from dpkg -l?
[18:39] <openface> this is -l dpkg
[18:40] <mbeierl> it says it have been removed (r) but there are configuration files that it left behind (c)
[18:40] <mbeierl> so the binaries are not installed anymore
[18:40] <openface> then purge
[18:41] <openface> right
[18:41] <openface> heh now removes it
[18:42] <mbeierl> correct, purge will get rid of anything else
[18:42] <openface> mbeierl: however thank u
[18:51] <mfilipe> is there a way to boot a virtual machine in the startup and give the gpu to it? without run x11/wayland
[18:53] <tomreyn> mfilipe: maybe you're looking for something like this? https://looking-glass.hostfission.com/
[18:54] <tomreyn> you can also instruct linux not to use certain pci devices, which can then be reassigned to a VM
[18:55] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how well this would work with an integrated gpu, but with a dedicated it can work.
[19:00] <mfilipe> tomreyn: thanks for sharing :)
[19:00] <mfilipe> do you know if i use the looking-glass-client package it is going to work properly?
[19:01] <tomreyn> i don't even know exactly what "it" is, so no.
[19:02] <tomreyn> that's "no, i don't know"
[19:02] <mfilipe> alright
[19:02] <mfilipe> tks
[19:02] <tomreyn> telekinesis sucks?
[19:13] <SrPx> great news: found a browser called Vivaldi that does allow for custom shortcuts!
[19:13] <SrPx> Still a little bit disappointed with Brave, Chrome, Firefox not allowing custom shortcuts on Ubuntu even through extensions, but at least some developer thought about that.
[19:13] <Jordan_U> mfilipe: Are you trying to do gaming in a Windows VM on top of Ubuntu?
[19:14] <SrPx> a quick question: I've been configuring and customizing this Ubuntu for >15 hours already, installed many apps, changed many system files... what happens if I migrate to another computer? do I have to do all of this again?
[19:14] <tomreyn> !discuss | SrPx
[19:14] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Are you having trouble getting the output of "sudo efibootmgr"?
[19:15] <tomreyn> SrPx: okay, this last one IS a support question. ;-)
[19:15] <Jordan_U> tomreyn: SrPx's question seems like a very relegant support question to me.
[19:15] <Brandybuck> No … Just finished downloading the Live CD give me about 10 minutes and I will post it...
[19:15] <SrPx> Jordan_U: he was talking about the comment about the browser working. Will move those comments to #ubuntu-discuss, my bad
[19:15] <openface> mbeierl: removed it
[19:15] <tomreyn> SrPx: thanks!
[19:15] <openface> mbeierl: but again it says me old installation found i see dir in /opt/virtualbox with files
[19:17] <SrPx> just to add to the question, perhaps some kind of tool that scanned up all the apps I have installed, all the system configs and all the changes that I made to system files, and then applied that to another machine would be great
[19:17] <tomreyn> SrPx: so about moving to a new computer: if it runs the same ubuntu release, you can dump and restore the list of installed packges to the target, and you can back up and restore the configurations you have.
[19:17] <Jordan_U> SrPx: No. With the main (and decently major) exception of proprietary graphics drivers and UEFI boot entries (this is critical, or things won't boot at all) you can simply move a drive from one machine to another. Almost all hardware detection is done at boot / runtime, so generally Ubuntu (and other distros) don't "care" when hardware changes, as long as the new hardware has good support of course.
[19:17] <Jordan_U> !etckeeper | SrPx
[19:18] <openface> custom del
[19:18] <tomreyn> !info etckeeper
[19:18] <Jordan_U> SrPx: https://etckeeper.branchable.com/ is great, though admittedly it's much more useful if you are already familiar with git from using it for source code revision control.
[19:22] <SrPx> Interesting. Are all system configurations (like gnome tweaks) stored on etc? What about app-specific configurations like shortcuts, do they go there too?
[19:23] <hggdh> SrPx: you can also use 'dpkg --(get|clear|set)-selections' -- this will list all installed packages, and it is a way to know what packages you installed on the machine. Now, combine it with etckeeper, and you would be able to repeat the install
[19:23] <hggdh> SrPx: granted, some assembly required...
[19:24] <hggdh> SrPx: this would allow you to reproduce *system* settings. For personal settings, apart from backups from the appropriate directories under ~/, I am not aware of a way
[19:24] <Jordan_U> SrPx: System wide settings are almost always in /etc/, per-user configuration is almost always in ~/.config (that is, /home/youruser/.config , which is a "hidden" directory because it starts with a '.'). There are also a decent number of programs that store configuration right in the home directory, like ~/.profile as that was historically where user configs were stored.
[19:26] <SrPx> Jordan_U: so, in other words, making a backup of my entire home folder should bring app-specific customizations like shortcuts, right?
[19:28] <Jordan_U> SrPx: Correct.
[19:28] <tomreyn> yes. but be aware that some software will store full paths in those configurations you have. as well as hostnames, and user names. so you may need to edit those are copying if the environment differs on the target system.
[19:29] <tomreyn> and sometimes just editing those with just a text editor wont be an option
[19:30] <mbeierl> openface: if you're sure it's uninstalled, you can always rm -rf that directory
[19:30] <tomreyn> but this mostly refers to what's in your $HOME, less so to what's in /etc
[19:30] <Brandybuck> @Jordan_U - Just booted USB and went into try USB mode gimme a sec for the efibootmgr results
[19:32] <SrPx> I see
[19:37] <catbeard> pavlos: figured it out
[19:38] <catbeard> it was right all along
[19:38] <catbeard> but the ip wasn't assigned in onapp
[19:38] <catbeard> was bound another instance
[19:39] <Brandybuck> @Jordan_U - Just posted it
[19:39] <jrgilman> Okay I think this isn't an issue with my sound card, but is actually an issue with my thunderbolt3 dock
[19:40] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: You need to also post a link to it here.
[19:44] <Brandybuck> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8bxN4PtDnF/
[19:44] <Brandybuck> oops sorry about that
[19:48] <Brandybuck22> just logging in on the Linux live cd Jordan_U
[19:50] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: No worries :) You don't currently have any UEFI boot entries for some reason. That can be fixed in a few ways, but I'd like to start by gathering more information about what you do have.
[19:50] <Brandybuck22> k
[19:53] <Brandybuck22> ok
[19:55] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck22: Please run "sudo apt install pastebinit boot-info-script" (if it doesn't find the boot-info-script package, we may need to enabled universe first), then run "sudo bootinfoscript --stdout | pastebinit" and give us the URL it generates. This will give us a lot of information about your system that can be helpful when debuggin boot problems. If you want to see what information there is before
[19:55] <Jordan_U> uploading it, then run "sudo bootinfoscript" alone and look at the RESULTS.txt file it produces, then pastebin that when you're comfortable. I don't think anything in the output will be anything you'd consider "private".
[19:55] <SrPx> I'm trying to install Ubuntu in another machine, my desktop, but for some reason, when I boot from the USB and click "Ubuntu", the screen goes all black and nothing happens. What could be causing that?
[19:57] <SrPx> never mind, got it to work from another USB port (?)
[19:58] <Bashing-om> \o/ SrPx :D
[20:02] <Jordan_U> SrPx: Interesting. My best guess is that switching ports wasn't actually what made the difference, but I can't tell you what was. I expect that all of your USB ports will be usable now that you're booted.
[20:04] <Brandybuck> Hmmm … seems to have issues getting to archive.ubuntu.com
[20:04] <Brandybuck> I added universe with add-apt-repository universe
[20:05] <Brandybuck> still not finding boot-info-script package
[20:08] <Bashing-om> Brandybuck: Ehat release are you on ? " sysop@x1804mini:~$ apt list boot-info-script >> boot-info-script/bionic,bionic,bionic,bionic 0.76-2 all".
[20:09] <Bashing-om> what*
[20:13] <SrPx> Something really weird happened. When I selected the language on the Ubuntu installation UI, my computer crashed and started outputting thousands of messages: https://imgur.com/a/eBe96Hp
[20:13] <SrPx> Will try again
[20:16] <Brandybuck> @Bashing-om - Trying to figure out 20.04
[20:16] <Brandybuck> working around it and downloading the packages and installing them by hand
[20:17] <Bashing-om> !info boot-info-script focal | Brandybuck
[20:19] <Brandybuck> Yep… Thanks
[20:20] <Bashing-om> Add the repo like this: sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal universe"  ?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> Brandybuck: ^
[20:23] <Bliepo> Question: when cloning a HDD to a smaller SSD, it should just work if you shrink the OS partition on the HDD, then copy the partition and the first 46 bytes of the MBR, correct?
[20:24] <Brandybuck> Yes needed gawk and a couple of other dependencies… fixed them. will upload in 2 minutes  @Jordan_U
[20:26] <mfilipe> Jordan_U: exactly
[20:26] <Brandybuck22> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CBdHScNZKj/
[20:28] <mfilipe> Jordan_U: actually i'm trying to run windows games inside of ubuntu but some games doesn't work with wine/proton and i have just one gpu, so i'm trying to find a solution to run windows in ubuntu using native performance (i don't wanna install windows in my host)
[20:37] <emmet> Hello. I wanted to get the source code of all available packages. So I downloaded all source ISOs ubuntu-20.04-src.{1,2,3,4}.iso. Yet I cannot find some packages in there, e.g. netsniff-ng. Can you tell me how can I really get all sources?
[20:42] <pavlos> catbeard: good
[20:47] <Jordan_U> mfilipe: There's also an intermediate solution, there are multiple options for virtual machines that allow graphics acceleration in guests without PCI passthrough.  I found an instruction to use debmirror. Is it the same? Maybe I read up the doc of both
[20:54] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck22: It looks like you probably booted the Ubuntu LiveUSB via CSM when you first installed. There are many different ways to fix this, but the easiest is to just install again now that you have the USB booted via UEFI.
[20:55] <younder> OK so Ubuntu desktop is coming to Raspberry PI. Yippii!
[20:55] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck22: Basically, your Ubuntu install is set up to boot via BIOS, but that's not how your computer is set to boot. (And you don't want to boot via BIOS/CSM on a UEFI machine, it can lead to your hardware not being correctly initialized by your computer at boot among other things).
[20:56] <younder> October edition 2020.8 should be the first
[20:56] <younder> s/.8/.10/
[20:57] <younder> The new 8 Gb pi is coming of age with a 645 Gb mSD it is almost a full computer
[20:57] <Jordan_U> younder: Are you talking about something beyond this: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi ?
[20:58] <younder> Jordan_U,  Yes official Ubuntu support
[20:58] <younder> Drivers the works
[20:59] <mfilipe> Jordan_U: yep but i need performance... i tried virt-manager, vmware and virtualbox but they don't offer the performance that i need
[21:00] <mfilipe> how could i group the application windows in alt-tab?
[21:09] <Brandybuck> @Jordan_U  I want to play around with some server stuff… So I can always install the desktop and then use the services there and strip all the Desktoppy stuff off of it… Is that what you would recommend or use the server live CD and install using UEFI
[21:12] <Brandybuck> Thanks though… I will make sure that in BIOS only the UEFI is checked and go from there and install….
[21:13] <younder> Jordan_U, The only raspi install offiaialøy is Ubuntu server and Ubuntu core
[21:14] <younder> officially
[21:20] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Server vs Desktop doesn't really make a difference as far as the booting problem goes. You can also just boot the Ubuntu server installer via UEFI and get a working install. I'd need to know more about what you plan to do to recommend which to install. In the end though, what version you install just changes what packages are installed by default. You can always "sudo apt install
[21:20] <Jordan_U> ubuntu-server" from a desktop install or "sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop" from a server install to get all of the packages from the other, or of course install just the bits you want from either.
[21:38] <younder> Jordan_U,  I think you overestimate the average raspi user these are mostly 12 year old boys.
[21:40] <younder> Jordan_U, You and me we would figure it out,but even the  something would brake at some point during some update and there would be no support.
[21:42] <younder> You have got to admit support here is a hit and miss affair.
[21:59] <SrPx> Managed to install Ubuntu on my desktop, but as soon as I reset to open it for the first time, it just is all black, nothing happens. Can't load it at all. Perhaps it is because I selected to install the graphics drivers from the internet? Should I just try again without selecting that option?
[21:59] <genii> !nomodeset | SrPx
[22:00] <genii> Black screen can often be cleared up with using that option, it's the first option to try
[22:01] <SrPx> Hmm, wouldn't it be a better idea to just reinstall without the drivers from the internet though? I mean if something went wrong during install fixing it looks harder than just reinstalling
[22:03] <oerheks> go ahead, ignore the factoid.
[22:04] <SrPx> I'm just asking...
[22:05] <oerheks> nomodeset disables pesky power saving functions.
[22:05] <SrPx> I see
[22:08] <genii> It's not that hard, just enter GRUB boot menu, append it to the kernel loading line, and see if it boots
[22:09] <robertparkerx> for some reason now I am getting unable to resolve host github
[22:09] <robertparkerx> and my rtorrent went down with all errors
[22:09] <robertparkerx> I haven't done anything to the machine
[22:10] <semitones> Cloudflare has/had an oops robertparkerx
[22:10] <oerheks> yay
[22:10] <robertparkerx> oh
[22:10] <oerheks> https://www.githubstatus.com/?
[22:13] <robertparkerx> my work machine has issues too
[22:13] <robertparkerx> damn
[22:22] <oerheks> no need for such language, keep this channel family friendly, thanks.
[22:22] <robertparkerx> oerheks sorry about that!
[22:25] <pavlos> github reports, All Systems Operational
[22:26] <robertparkerx> Now I ccan access it
[22:27] <Brandybuck> @Jordan_U  It is going to become my DNS server inside my home net (i run a split horizon DNS) answering both regular DNS queries with BIND as well as a DNS over https server and a recursive resolver for both
[22:44] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Then Ubuntu server seems like the right starting point.
[22:44] <Jordan_U> Brandybuck: Understand that while the installation process will be graphical, the actual installed system will just boot to a text only console.
[22:53] <younder> I run a dell server myself, I operate it in a text terminal under ssh. This is the normal operation. Some programs use a http server for setup. At all costs avoid programs that use a GUI. They vasly complicate the system and provide a bigger attach vector.
[23:13] <oerheks> !19.10
[23:16] <Doc-Saintly> How can I get Ubuntu to use my onboard graphics card as my primary display without blocking loading the discrete GPU drivers?
[23:16] <Doc-Saintly> I need the drivers loaded for GPU processing tools to see it, but I don't want it to be the primary display becuse there is no monitor hooked up to it
[23:16] <Doc-Saintly> it's an AMD (radeon) and the radeon.modeset = 0 didn't seem to work. On ubuntu 20
[23:23] <SrPx> I've tried setting nomodeset to boot, but now I get a lot of PCIe Bus Error messages: https://imgur.com/a/8upBr2T
[23:23] <SrPx> what that means?
[23:26] <oerheks> What hardware/videocard is this?
[23:40] <SrPx> fixed it with pci=noear
[23:40] <SrPx> also fixed my earlier problem with brave / chrome shortcuts
[23:41] <SrPx> I posted the solution on my own SO question, in case anyone is curious: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1259974/is-it-possible-to-remap-prevtab-and-nexttab-to-c-h-and-c-l-on-chrome-brave
[23:41] <cthulchu_> omfg
[23:41] <oerheks> good find
[23:42] <cthulchu_> how do I delete an apt-get package?
[23:42] <cthulchu_> I tried uninstall, remove and delete
[23:42] <cthulchu_> remove does something, but doesn't remove it
[23:42] <oerheks> pastebin the command and output please, paste.ubuntu.com
[23:42] <cthulchu_> oh, I see, the aliases don't work
[23:43] <cthulchu_> aliases work for installing, but not for removing
[23:43] <cthulchu_> honestly, apt-get is bad
[23:43] <cthulchu_> so I can install python, but I can't remove python
[23:44] <cthulchu_> I have to do sudo apt-get remove python-is-python2 to remove it
[23:45] <Jordan_U> cthulchu_: I think you're thinking about packages vs their dependencies. If you want to remove all packages which were installed as dependencies of something else, but whose "something else" has since been removed, run "sudo apt autoremove". It's worth taking a quick look at the list to be sure it doesn't include anything that you really do want to keep.
[23:48] <xaviergmail> Hi, I have a remote server with no IPMI / KVM and I want to test some ufw rules without locking myself out. Is there a foolproof way to enable ufw temporarily and disable it after say 60 seconds?
[23:56] <abdulhakeem> I just installed Ubuntu Server 20.04 (along with Ubuntu Desktop so I have a GUI), and it says "Wired Unmanaged" for my Network connection. Internet connection still works, but GNOME just doesn't know it. Anyone know how to fix this? Is there maybe a different network service conflicting with NetworkManager or something?
[23:57] <abdulhakeem> Static IP was set during the server installation, idk if thats causing a conflict or something


[06:05] <sirriffsalot> I'm getting a shitload of xruns when I try to open carla via USControls, opening normally yields none for some reason
[09:31] <sakrecoer[b]> blown away by the new studio controls! <3
[09:32] <sakrecoer[b]> this time selecting firewire and reboot was all it took to be up and running
[09:32] <sakrecoer[b]> after a fresh install
[09:34] <sakrecoer[b]> @devs: you're the best! When i win at Eurojackpot later today, i will invite y'all for dinner! Pack your bags, we're leaving to new zeland tomorrow!
[09:35] <sakrecoer[b]> 🌠
[09:50] <sakrecoer[b]> this blew my mind! hiw can i have been unaware of gphoto2 for so long?
[09:50] <sakrecoer[b]> https://askubuntu.com/questions/856460/using-a-digital-camera-canon-as-webcam#972831
[10:05] <Iamahuman4> sakrecoer[b]: are you running 20.10 or what? It does work really well out-of-the-box
[10:16] <sakrecoer[b]> Iamahuman4 yes, 20.10 :)
[10:16] <sakrecoer[b]> and this time ut was fine to just dump my home folder back
[10:16] <sakrecoer[b]> as in: i went from 20.10 to 20.10 loo
[10:17] <sakrecoer[b]> s/loo/lol
[10:20] <Iamahuman4> sakrecoer[b]: I have a 1TB disk where I have ~ 150GB for root partitions and then a big disk for the home dirs
[10:21] <Iamahuman4> I do install a lot of software so 50GB / distro is getting a bit tight
[15:35] <V|A> yoyoyo
[15:36] <V|A> can anyone tell me how to increase the taskbar size/DPI ?
[15:36] <V|A> or maybe thers a program that has superior features/allows me to mod it
[15:51] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer[b]: it was really helpful to have a firewire device sitting in front of me.
[15:53] <OvenWerk1> V|A: assuming plasma, click on an empty space on the taskbar... or the menu icon if all else fails (right click that is)
[15:53] <OvenWerk1> V|A: then select edit panel
[15:54] <OvenWerk1> you will have an extra bar and one of the buttons will say height
[15:55] <OvenWerk1> V|A: as you adjust the height the icon and text size should follow.
[15:56] <OvenWerk1> V|A: if you are using xfce, it is similar but instead of getting a long bar for editing, you will get a panel setup dialog
[16:42] <V|A> yaay
[16:42] <V|A> ty OvenWerk1  i misssed that
[16:42] <V|A> panel->panel preferences


[04:14] <Noskcaj> How can we make intel-vaapi-driver migrate to release? It seems to just be waiting for arches that it's not meant to build on
[04:17] <Logan_> I'll take a look
[04:18] <Logan_> usually that doesn't matter unless it built successfully on those architectures before
[04:19] <Logan_> er, that seems like a bug with the excuses
[04:20] <infinity> It's a minor misfeature.  It's not wrong about those packages being out of date.
[04:20] <infinity> But they also happen to be NBS.
[04:20] <infinity> It's hard to determine that because they were arch:all and then disappeared.
[04:20] <Logan_> do they need to be removed?
[04:21] <infinity> Yeah, I'm going to do that.
[04:21] <Logan_> that's what I figured
[04:22] <infinity> Should migrate after the next publisher cycle, but I'll keep an eye out.
[04:22] <Logan_> any reason why it's not showing up in update_output.txt?
[04:27] <infinity> Logan_: Because it failed in the excuses stage.
[04:27] <infinity> Logan_: It's a 2-stage process, if it fails excuses, it's not tried in the output pass.
[04:28] <Logan_> ah
[04:28] <Logan_> I always thought the raw output included excuses as well
[04:28] <infinity> Nope.
[04:28] <infinity> escuses is checking up-to-date, RC bugginess, age (which we don't take into account in Ubuntu), autopkgtests...
[04:29] <infinity> Only when all of that passes do we do the costly installability checks that output represents.
[04:30] <Logan_> gotcha
[05:07] <Logan_> infinity: I feel like it's a hacky solution to use the system libtool (i.e. force the LIBTOOL variable in Makefile.in to libtool rather than @LIBTOOL@), but when I get a version mismatch after autoreconf, it seems to be the only way around it
[05:07] <Logan_> is there a better way to avoid that?
[05:23] <Noskcaj> How can i make lp:debian/hexchat up to date again? (a new bugfix release should be in it)
[09:10] <Noskcaj> Can someone please mass sync the openarena packages?
[11:28] <cjwatson> Noskcaj: maybe but only given a complete list; I'm not going to search
[18:12] <hallyn> desrt: i released 03.31 cgamager w prune.  i cannot safely do kill-and-remove, but i wll do gettasksrecusive wbich will letyouge allpids at once, hup then ksiglill, then reget to verkfy no new forkd, then prune
[18:13]  * hallyn out
[18:18] <nadrimajstor> From the shell, how can I see which configure flags were used for building a particular package? (i.e not the debian/rules but the configure options that were derived from rules)
[18:19] <jtaylor> depends on the package
[18:19] <jtaylor> if you are lucky dpkg-buildflags
[18:19] <jtaylor> otherwise you have to read rules and the buildlog
[18:21] <nadrimajstor> jtaylor: mesa package.
[18:23] <nadrimajstor> jtaylor: I'm trying to follow the rules file but after two screens of config munging back and forth my brain hurts. :D
[18:23] <TJ-> nadrimajstor: There's also pkgconfig entries; "/usr/share/pkgconfig/*"
[18:24] <jtaylor> those should only contain paths
[18:25] <jtaylor> very rarely abi stuff
[18:25] <jtaylor> anything else in there is a bug
[18:27] <nadrimajstor> dpkg-buildflags give me just generic options... pkconfig is mostly empty for me... (and it looks there is stuff that should not be there - will file a bug at ubuntu-mate)
[18:27] <nadrimajstor> So, go to LP, look for build logs?
[18:27] <jtaylor> yes
[18:27] <nadrimajstor> ok
[18:27] <jtaylor> what are you looking for?
[18:28] <nadrimajstor> Does --with-egl-platforms= contain framebuffer (among dri, x11 ...)
[18:28] <jtaylor> that can typically be found in the rules file
[18:32] <nadrimajstor> jtaylor: On the second look... There is no mention of fbdev anywhere in the rules file... Thanks jtaylor
[18:33]  * nadrimajstor off to recompile mesa
[18:33]  * nadrimajstor thinks that apt-get build-dep is a bless :)
[18:34] <jtaylor> then you'll love mk-build-deps -ir :)
[18:35]  * nadrimajstor off to RTFM on mk-build-deps
[18:35] <jtaylor> does the same but allows you to remove all again be removing a meta package it installs
[18:39] <nadrimajstor> jtaylor: Ahaaa.... I got it. :)