[08:36] <iskandiar> hey
[08:36] <iskandiar> bye
[08:57] <Reptilia> How do i make Xubuntu remember my brightness level setup for the next boot? On every new boot i have to re-adjust the brightness to the desired level, and the OS won't remember my choice. Also, i can't find a GUI for changing the brightness on Xubuntu. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.
[09:08] <Luyin> Reptilia for a GUI install xfce4-power-manager
[09:09] <Luyin> then add brightness plugin to your panel
[09:10] <Reptilia> Luyin:Thanks. Will that solve the problem with the brightness level?
[09:11] <Luyin> Reptilia I don't think so, no
[09:12] <Semiarty> Reptilia https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=9091&p=2 post #40
[09:13] <Semiarty> 39 and 40*
[09:14] <Reptilia> Luyin:I can't find a brightness plugin as an option
[09:14] <Luyin> Reptilia did you install the package I was referring to?
[09:15] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup, and the terminal printed that "xfce4-power-manager" was in the latest version
[09:18] <Reptilia> Semiarty:Thanks, but...i want to make it work in the "regular way". If i don't find a regular way, i will try that for sure :)
[09:18] <Luyin> Reptilia I've only got the german interface, so don't know what the correct name is, but it might be something like "power management"
[09:22] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup, i already have that plugin on my panel, but there it only shows the battery percentage, no brightness options.
[09:24] <Luyin> Reptilia you ought to be able to scroll the mouse scroll wheel on the panel symbol to increase/decrease display brightness, and you should be able to click on the symbol to see brightness options
[09:25] <Reptilia> Luyin:Nope, there is no such thing
[09:27] <Luyin> Reptilia http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/panel-plugin
[09:33] <Reptilia> Luyin:Yup i know, it used to be fine on previous versions, i have recently noticed that the brightness slider is gone.
[09:34] <Reptilia> Luyin:I have been setting it manually on every boot, but got tired of doing that all the time
[09:37] <Luyin> what happened before you noticed the slider was gone? did you do a full system upgrade, installed/removed any packages?
[09:40] <Reptilia> Luyin:Full sys update no, but i've done several updates
[09:41] <Luyin> Reptilia try doing a full upgrade (sudo apt upadte && sudo apt dist-upgrade), reboot, and try again. if that doesn't work, you might want to file a bug report. I have no idea what else could cause this. someone else might have a better idea, though
[09:42] <Reptilia> Luyin:Actually there wasn't a brightness slider since i've installed the OS, but the OS used to remember my brightness level setup, so i didn't have to set it again on every boot. I think an update ~ 10 days ago changed this.
[09:49] <Luyin> Reptilia which ubuntu version have you got installed?
[09:50] <Reptilia> 14.04
[09:50] <Reptilia> I've done the update, as you suggested
[09:51] <Reptilia> rebooting
[09:53] <Reptilia> Luyin:Nah, still the same
[09:54] <Luyin> Reptilia I'm just checking whether the slider ought to be at a different place in XFCE 4.10, since I'm on 4.12 here via ppa. wait a sec
[09:54] <Reptilia> Luyin:Sure
[09:55] <Meerkat> From my experience 14.04 has never saved my brightness setting between boots.
[09:56] <Luyin> Reptilia seems like also in 4.10 the xfce4-power-manager is responsible for the brightness plugin. so there should be a brightness plugin somewhere in your panel items
[09:56] <Luyin> if it isn't, I have no idea why yours isn't showing
[10:00] <Reptilia> Well, i will do a 15.04 update then
[10:00] <Reptilia> Since Meerkat also said that he has encountered the same problem
[10:01] <Reptilia> on 14.04
[10:09] <Meerkat> it's more that I haven't encountered a working 14.04 version yet
[10:21] <Reptilia> Meerkat:Haha :D
[10:25] <Luyin> I've changed my cursor theme to dmz black. but on some elements, like the window panes, in hexchat, and on the xfdesktop, I still get the white dmz cursor. how can I fix that?
[11:29] <Reptilia> I've updated to 14.10 and again, there is no brightness slider.
[11:30] <ochosi> Reptilia: i'm not sure what version of xfce4-power-manager we shipped in 14.10, but the one in 15.04 has a brightness slider
[11:30] <ochosi> the panel plugin you're looking for is called "Power Manager Plugin"
[11:31] <Reptilia> ochosi:Yup, that's the one without the brightness slider. Thanks
[11:31] <Reptilia> ochosi:Cool theme colors in 14.10 btw (the default purple :))
[11:31] <ochosi> thanks :)
[11:31] <Reptilia> purple/rose
[11:31] <ochosi> 14.10 was already so long ago i practically forgot about it already ;)
[11:32] <Reptilia> ochosi:Also, i've noticed that the app execution time is lowered
[11:32] <ochosi> we didn't do anything about that though. at least not specifically
[11:32] <Reptilia> Yeah, but it's noticeable, don't know what could be the cause
[11:33] <Reptilia> Like, it's more instant :D
[11:33] <Reptilia> ochosi:K, i will update to 15.04 then
[11:35] <Meerkat> can we get that slider backported to 14.04?
[11:40] <ochosi> Meerkat: you can do that at your own risk by using some of our PPAs, but we won't do that
[11:40] <ochosi> 14.04 is about stability, and there's some risk things will go awry with xfpm and light-locker
[11:43] <Meerkat> I understand. Has any work for 16.04 begun? Even at a planning stage?
[11:44] <cfhowlett> Meerkat, WIP
[11:46] <Reptiliah> ochosi:What about the #1395720 bug? Have you resolved the issue?
[11:46] <Reptiliah> ochosi:This is the first time i am reading release notes, lol
[11:46] <ochosi> Meerkat: 15.10 is the next release
[11:49] <brainwash> bug 1395720
[11:50] <ochosi> that's not even a bug imo
[11:57] <Reptiliah> ochosi:You're right. A Live session, lol. Forgot what a live session was
[11:57] <Meerkat> what is catfish used for?
[11:58] <bazhang> !info catfish
[12:33] <Reptilia> ochosi:Nope, the brightness slider is missing again, after the 15.04 update. xfce4-power-manager says it's in the latest version
[12:34] <ochosi> Reptilia: then it's possible your display brightness control isn't supported, sry
[12:38] <Reptilia> ochosi:hmm
[13:14] <Reptilia> Is it safe to remove xfce4-power-manager, and install it again?
[13:37] <Reptilia> Is it safe to remove xfce4-power-manager, and install it again?
[13:41] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[14:15] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[15:16] <Reptilia> Xubuntu 15.04 will show the brightness slider while i am in a Guest Session. The whole look of the window that opens when i click on the battery icon, is different from the one on my usr account.
[15:18] <GridCube> Reptilia: if you upgraded your system you might be carrying old desktop theme configs, you can delete those and relogin, you will get the exact same desktop than guest
[15:18] <GridCube> its just common sense not to overwrite them, usually people changes the desktop theme to their liking, like adding more launchers and what not
[15:18] <GridCube> i personally like to use my panels in vertical mode P:
[15:37] <Reptilia> GridCube:All right then, how do i delete the old desktop theme configuration?
[15:40] <GridCube> Reptilia: rename or delete ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[15:40] <GridCube> and relog
[15:42] <GridCube> in fact if you just delete the whole ~/.config/xfce4 you will get the desktop reseted as if its the first boot :)
[15:43] <Reptilia> GridCube:What is the usage of "~"?
[15:46] <GridCube> ~ means /home/yourusername/
[15:46] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:47] <GridCube> or whatever is your home, if you are root in other OSs it could also mean /root/, its basically the home folder for the current user
[15:47] <GridCube> its like . and .., which means "in this directory" and "in they up directory to this one" thats why you cd .. :D
[15:48] <GridCube> thats also why you execute scripts by ./script.sh, becase the . means "excute this file in this directory" P:
[15:51] <GridCube> Reptilia: notice how if you open a terminal it will say something like, rept@tilia:~$ as your prompt :)
[15:51] <GridCube> but if you cd anywhere else the ~ changes to the current directory name :D
[15:52] <Reptilia> GridCube:Damn, i didn't know that's the reason for the ./ thing :D
[15:52] <GridCube> :D
[15:52] <Reptilia> GridCube:I have been using that while i was the C course at my uni
[15:53] <GridCube> :)
[15:53] <Reptilia> while i was learning*
[15:53] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:53] <GridCube> its simple things like this that i find awesome of the linuxverse, almost everything has a why
[15:54] <Reptilia> GridCube:Yeah, i found Linux interesting because of that, too
[15:54] <GridCube> and now you can understand this joke: ~ sweet ~
[15:54] <GridCube> :D
[15:54] <Reptilia> haha
[15:54] <Reptilia> :D
[15:56] <Reptilia> GridCube:So, if i reset everything, where are the files that are not @ the Desktop, will be moved to?
[15:56] <GridCube> Reptilia: in theory you can use stuff like that when programming, you say you give your program a config file, but you dont know how the username will be, so you need to get the config file from somewhere, you program your program to get the configfile from ~/.config/myprogram, and so you dont bother to learn the username
[15:56] <Reptilia> damn, what a bad formulated question.
[15:57] <GridCube> Reptilia: your files are not touched
[15:57] <GridCube> the ones that are missing respawn
[15:57] <Reptilia> respawn hahahaha
[15:57] <GridCube> but the rest remains exactly the same, you are the one deleting or renaming
[15:58] <Reptilia> kk
[15:58] <Reptilia> thanks
[15:59] <Reptilia> GridCube:Rebooting, brb
[15:59] <GridCube> no need to reboot...
[15:59] <GridCube> too late XD
[16:01] <Reptilia> GridCube:Nothing is reseted
[16:01] <GridCube> o:
[16:01] <Reptilia> I have deleted the whole xfce4 folder
[16:02] <GridCube> btw you dont need to do a full reboot, just login off and on again should do the trick
[16:02] <Reptilia> kk
[16:02] <GridCube> how weird
[16:02] <Reptilia> any ideas? :)
[16:02] <GridCube> are your panels and your desktop background the same as before the change?
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> test
[16:03] <Reptilia> GridCube:Yes
[16:03] <GridCube> test failed
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> it did not
[16:03] <GridCube> Reptilia: mmm
[16:03] <GridCube> yes it did
[16:03] <Reptilia> When you wrote "test", the separator line moved
[16:03] <TheRotundGollumB> bugger. back to the drawing slate
[16:04] <TheRotundGollumB> i will whip the gnome responsible
[16:04] <GridCube> Reptilia: thats cos' his nic is pretty long
[16:04] <Reptilia> Oh, the client got accustomed to his long nickname
[16:04] <Reptilia> hahahaha
[16:04] <GridCube> Reptilia: i think you  need to delete the files while not running them
[16:05] <GridCube> like from guest
[16:05] <Reptilia> GridCube:All right, i will do that
[16:05] <GridCube> or log off go to a terminal alt-f1 and login and mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4old
[16:05] <GridCube> ah
[16:06] <ShortGollum> i have corruption when my xubuntu screensaver is interrupted. I will pay one potato if someone solves it
[16:06] <Reptilia> GridCube:Hmm, i've noticed this now
[16:06] <ShortGollum> i also have no keyboard lights. two potatoes for that one
[16:07] <GridCube> Reptilia:  or log off go to a terminal alt-f1 and login and mv ~/.config/xfce4 ~/.config/xfce4old
[16:07] <Reptilia> GridCube:In GuestSession, i have 2 battery icons. One is dark grey, and is the same as here on my usr account, and one is white and has the brightness slider feature.
[16:07] <GridCube> ShortGollum: sorry i know nothing about those sort of things
[16:08] <ShortGollum> its ok me either. i'm a bsd guy through and through
[16:08] <GridCube> Reptilia: mmm, try adding the complement of the energy administrator
[16:09] <ShortGollum> i think its just an ordinary laptop with manufacturers that haven't yet gone beyond binary blobs
[16:10] <Reptilia> GridCube:Hmm, where do i find that?
[16:10] <TRGB> this sounds like nonsense, abort rept
[16:11] <GridCube> right clic on the panel > panel > add new element
[16:11] <TRGB> don't stare him in the eyes
[16:12] <TRGB> he'll be able to control you
[16:12] <TRGB> why is my nick not changing?
[16:12] <GridCube> TRGB: theres an issue with light locker and screensavers, its recommended to use one or the other
[16:12] <GridCube> i dunno
[16:12] <TRGB> oh ok
[16:13] <TRGB> is it sufficient ot apt=remove light-locker or simeimalr?
[16:13] <TRGB> similar*
[16:14] <GridCube> i guess so, you are under your own responsability if you do based on the passing opinion of one dude on an irc channel
[16:14] <TRGB> well i can't recall installing it, and there's no harm in removing it
[16:14] <TRGB> i don't mind hosing this laptop
[16:14] <TRGB> tempted to try pc-fbsd
[16:15] <Reptilia> TRGB:Dude, i was just checking if i got him right. No need for arrogance.
[16:15] <TRGB> hmm?
[16:15] <TRGB> didn't mean to be arrogant
[16:15] <TRGB> sry
[16:15] <GridCube> TRGB: its the default locking software for most 'buntus
[16:15] <TRGB> had a few beers
[16:15] <TRGB> i come across that way at times without meaning it
[16:15] <GridCube> dont fuzz on it
[16:16] <TRGB> i'm not
[16:16] <GridCube> :D
[16:16] <TRGB> keyboard lights is my next crusade
[16:16] <TRGB> don't have em
[16:17] <TRGB> but i have c/c++ and would like to work out how i'd get the kernel to recognize this asus f550ze
[16:17] <Reptilia> GridCube:Finally
[16:17] <Reptilia> GridCube:Thanks
[16:17] <GridCube> Reptilia: :D
[16:17] <GridCube> what did the trick?
[16:17] <GridCube> TRGB: i read about that a few months ago
[16:17] <Reptilia> Adding the complement
[16:17] <GridCube> about the lights things
[16:18] <GridCube> so theres hope
[16:18] <Reptilia> Yes, it turns out that there are 2 different types of indicators
[16:18] <GridCube> Reptilia:great
[16:18] <TRGB> yeah i've seen snippets
[16:18] <Reptilia> Which open the same power manager settings
[16:18] <TRGB> but i'd be keen to delve myself
[16:18] <GridCube> Reptilia: sounds about right
[16:19] <Reptilia> GridCube:Why there are 2 - i don't know. But it works now, haha
[16:19] <TRGB> or better yet, a document on where to start with interfacing with that sort of thing
[16:19] <TRGB> but in the absence of that, i will ha ve a beer
[16:19] <TRGB> and a cig
[16:20] <TRGB> and curse you peasants for being a text interface
[16:20] <TRGB> *curse*
[16:20] <Reptilia> TRGB:What kind of beer have you been drinking?
[16:20] <TRGB> crown lager, its ok
[16:20] <TRGB> its apparently made from australian malt
[16:20] <TRGB> as opposed to ethiopian malt
[16:21] <Reptilia> TRGB:Hahahahahaah
[16:21] <TRGB> well hammered i guess, i'm sorry. i'm in a bit of a flux of a situation atm
[16:21] <GridCube> :)
[16:21] <TRGB> and being a pain because of it
[16:21] <GridCube> !ot | y'all
[16:22] <TRGB> meh. its a faitry quite channel. I'll fix all xubuntus!
[16:22] <GridCube> rules are rules, if we dont follow them we would fall into anarchy!
[16:22] <TRGB> true
[16:22] <TRGB> sry
[16:22] <TRGB> i will personally fix the hardest c or c++ bug on your plate stm
[16:22] <TRGB> atm
[16:23] <GridCube> and nothing good can come from anarchy, what would be next? free open software!?
[16:23] <TRGB> well, anarchy is a misjudged thing
[16:23] <GridCube> preposterous!
[16:23] <TRGB> ludicrous indeed
[16:23] <GridCube> yes
[16:23] <TRGB> next thing you know, humans will want to be free
[16:23] <GridCube> now i gotta do actual job
[16:23] <GridCube> good farings
[16:24] <TRGB> good day
[16:24] <TRGB> i am in between, so i will enjoy another beer
[16:24] <TRGB> does anyone remember the apple IIgs?
[16:25] <TRGB> how do i change channel to people that might?
[16:25] <holstein> TRGB: they may want to communicate about it in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel.. let us go there and see, since this is for support
[16:25] <TRGB> or bards tale
[16:25] <TRGB> ok sry, i don't mean to be an idiot
[16:25] <TRGB> i will remove myself shortly
[16:26] <holstein> TRGB: no need.. just come to the appropriate channel, and chat..
[16:26] <TRGB> name was a bit of a giveaway though
[16:26] <TRGB> how do i come to the appropriate channel?
[16:26] <holstein> TRGB: you can use the /join command, or, join channels however your chat client joins channels.. you can /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:27] <TRGB> no such channel #everquest
[16:27] <TRGB> what's going on, no everquest?
[16:27] <TRGB> #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:28] <holstein>  /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <Reptilia> Is there a way to remove items from an *indicator plugin* ?
[16:29] <TRGB> that was a terrible room holstein, you should be ashamed.
[16:29] <xangua> what itmes¿ what indicator plugin¿
[16:30] <holstein> TRGB: friend, you have not joined the appropriate channel.. i have not seen you /join it.. please, use this channel for only xubuntu support.. the name of the chat channel is #xubuntu-offtopic ..feel free and copy paste /join #xubuntu-offtopic to avoid typos
[16:30] <Reptilia> xangua:Well, i have the old battery icon (from the indicator plugin (useless)) and the newly added (with the screen brightness slider). Since i don't want the useless one, which is part of the indicator plugin, can i remove it from it?
[16:31] <TRGB> I'm kidding, sorry I meant no offense, you've been great. Is IRC sort of federated? how would i get onto say, a freebsd irc chat from here?
[16:31] <holstein> !freenode
[16:31] <TRGB> !freenode
[16:32] <TRGB> i;ve been tricked
[16:32] <TRGB> has the zork highway shut down?
[16:32] <Reptilia> lol
[16:32] <TRGB> !freenode
[16:33] <holstein> TRGB: you can query the bot, and keep non support related typing from the channel.. thanks
[16:34] <TRGB> want some rye. course you do
[16:34] <TRGB> ok
[17:07] <TheRotundGollumB> i have developed a rash on my mouse, and xubuntu installed it
[17:08] <TheRotundGollumB> i think its herpes
[18:03] <Varan> .
[19:51] <Varan> sage
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> I have a basic question about Linux...
[20:39] <xubuntu40w> about the command cd...
[20:40] <xubuntu40w> can anybody help?
[20:41] <Azelphur> !ask | xubuntu40w
[20:41] <xubuntu40w> sorry
[20:41] <Unit193> Change directory
[20:41] <xubuntu40w> ok..
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> home/louis/Documents/Open Classrooms/ I can type  cd Documents and cd Open Classrooms
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> but ti doesnt work if I type cd Open Classrooms
[20:42] <xubuntu40w> How to type it?
[20:42] <Azelphur> xubuntu40w: you need to quote your arguments, cd sees you trying to cd into "Open" which doesn't exist
[20:42] <Azelphur> you can either escape the space by doing cd Open\ Classrooms
[20:42] <Azelphur> or use quotes, cd "Open Classrooms"
[20:43] <Azelphur> the same will actually apply to any command you use - not just cd
[20:43] <xubuntu40w> I've just tried your solution.. It works !!  thanks !!
[20:44] <Azelphur> yw :)
[20:47] <ax562> hello, running windoze 8.1 and xubuntu 14.04 lts 64bit and my ntfs partition fails to mount when I'm in xubuntu.  Any ideas?
[20:48] <Unit193> Got an error message?  Generally speaking, one common one would be that you need to boot into Windows, cleanly shut down, then power it back up.
[20:49] <ax562> Unit193 that does not work
[20:49] <Unit193> That's just a common one, you'll have to actually share some context there. :)
[20:49] <ax562> well thanks for the help.  what specifically do you need
[20:49] <ax562> ?
[20:51] <ax562> I was on 12.04 lts and I noticed it recently but never before.  not reason i upgraded but I did come across it...was running xfce4 on ubuntu 12.04 lts and it actually gave me terminal insctructions to fix that worked
[20:51] <Unit193> Well, what happens when you try?  Any error messages?  Anything in dmesg, syslog, or such?
[20:51] <ax562> ummm I'm a novice to intermediate user..where can I find these logs
[20:58] <Unit193> `dmesg` is a command, and /var/log/syslog is a file.
[21:08] <ax562> stock text xubuntu app?
[21:10] <ax562> blank Unit193
[21:30] <ax562> hello, running windoze 8.1 and xubuntu 14.04 lts 64bit and my ntfs partition fails to mount when I'm in xubuntu.  Any ideas?
[21:32] <ajgreeny> Hi all. New Ubuntu Member here. Hi ax562. Was the Windows ntfs partition unmounted when you tried or was Win8 going into hibernation mode?
[21:32] <ax562> ajgreeny no.  I don't hibernate and I shut down correctly
[21:33] <ax562> I tried running help instruction set mount -ro or whatever but never worked
[21:33] <ajgreeny> Are you sure?  Win8 defaults to a semi hibernation mode when it is shutdown.
[21:34] <ax562> well maybe that's my problem
[21:34] <ax562> I disable hibernation by default because I use pro tools HD
[21:34] <ax562> m
[21:35] <ax562> daw (music recording/production)
[21:36] <ajgreeny> I don't use windows at all any more, but I understand it can be a bit of a tricky business to make sure it shuts down totally, so double check all that in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI page.
[21:38] <ax562> yeah, I only shutdown correctly..I was on 12.04 without a hiccup
[21:38] <ax562> but noticed that issue came up recently even on 12.04
[21:39] <ajgreeny> Not sure then. Sorry.
[21:39] <ajgreeny> What error messages show if you try to mount it manually?
[21:42] <ax562> Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
[21:42] <ax562> Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Operation not permitted
[21:42] <ax562> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[21:42] <ax562> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[21:42] <ax562> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[21:45] <ajgreeny> So, as I thought, your ntfs partition is flagged as still mounted, or in use.  I will have to let you search for the reason why, as I don't know anything more about Win8. Got to go now; sorry I can't help more, but at least you now know the reason for your mount problem, now you just need a solution and that's where I can't help.


[02:39] <Speedy2> Hey all.  Can anyone detail what changes are made between the "raw" KDE 3.4 release and the Kubuntu version?
[02:42] <amu> hmm if you read the logfiles, could be 1 way, well it takes days to explain it :)
[02:43] <amu> logfile==changelogs
[02:45] <Speedy2> amu:  Where is this changelog located?
[02:46] <amu> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/changelogs/pool/main/
[02:46] <Speedy2> I'm just curious if any core changes have been made, or if they have been cosmetic, such as the graphic image, etc
[02:46] <Speedy2> Hrm
[02:46] <amu> well some of them are done ... some of them are still in progress ...
[02:46] <Speedy2> I see kdelibs, but only 3.3.2
[02:47] <Speedy2> amu: Well, my preference is to get as close as to a RAW KDE 3.4 setup as possible
[02:47] <Speedy2> (i.e. I prefer minimal amount of changes)
[02:47] <Speedy2> But I wanted to understand what changes were made.
[02:48] <dato> Speedy2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/
[02:48] <amu> hmm you're right, mvo do the changelogs, you can ask him directly
[02:48] <dato> amu: see url above :)
[02:50] <amu> dato: .oO ic ;)
[02:51] <Speedy2> Hrm.  Looks like mostly cosmetic changes
[02:54] <Riddell> Speedy2: sudo support is the most core change
[02:55] <Speedy2> Hey there Riddell
[02:55] <Speedy2> Riddell: Understood.  Support for things like a USB pen-drive being plugged-in and appearing on desktop, that just makes use of KDE's HAL and so-on?
[03:00] <Riddell> yes
[03:02] <Speedy2> Cool.
[04:29] <Riddell> very early draft of the roadmap: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[05:27] <Speedy2> Riddell: Thanks a lot, that was really really informative.
[05:28] <Speedy2> System Preferences from Ben Meyer (IceFox) is really damn cool looking.  If I'm not mistaken, I think he gets a lot of his inspiration from OS X :)
[06:32] <Riddell> yes he does :)
[07:02] <Speedy2> Is that an actual program or just a mock up?
[07:02] <Speedy2> I guess I could ask Ben...
[07:07] <Speedy2> Riddell: Small issue on that roadmap:  "better menu hormony GNOME-KDE"
[07:07] <Speedy2> I'm assuming you meant "harmony" :)
[07:08] <Riddell> Speedy2: it's an actualy program, I had it working once but it doesn't want to work just now
[07:09] <Riddell> Speedy2: I'm still proofreading it :)
[07:09] <Riddell> then it has to be edited by the editor dudes then approved by the important canonical dudes
[07:09] <Riddell> then profit!
[07:12] <Speedy2> ;)
[07:13] <Speedy2> drop an 'm' and an 'o' and the meaning really changes.
[07:13] <Speedy2> I hear that business is profitable!
[07:38] <amu> s/profit/world domination
[07:41] <Riddell> "Kubuntu Breezy comes with world peace included"
[08:45] <amu> "powered by Pope BENEDICTVM XVI"
[10:39] <KaiL> maybe interesting for ubuntu: http://dot.kde.org/1114349315/
[10:39] <KaiL> an MS Access replacement...
[10:59] <Riddell> hmm, we don't seem to have knoda packaged
[10:59] <Riddell> it's still in pre-beta
[11:00] <Riddell> as is kexi
[11:00] <Riddell> we should look at them both and work out if one is usable
[11:04] <KaiL> are there plans to add matrox' "mtx"-Module to linux-restricted-modules?
[11:05] <Riddell> never heard of it, you'd have to ask ubuntu
[11:10] <KaiL> btw. what I've seen as doing support in #kubuntu the screen detection is the most problematic point on install
[11:11] <Riddell> interesting.  there's been some BoFs about that here but I've not gone to any
[11:12] <KaiL> BoFs?
[11:12] <Riddell> I think what's needed is a config tool to be able to fix that manualls (without editing xong.conf by hand) but daniels doesn't like that
[11:12] <Riddell> birds of feather meeting, this ubuntu conference is based around small meetings of people interested in topics
[11:13] <KaiL> ah
[11:16] <KaiL> the best would be, if we could depend on Xorg own DDC detection and only enhance this (with a fallback, after which the user gets asked ;)
[11:17] <Riddell> enhanced detection is what they want
[11:18] <KaiL> and there the user only needs to select resolution + refreshrate from a list, as in the medium level in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :)
[11:20] <KaiL> if you can avoid writing the information to xorg.conf, changing the screen is more easy
[11:22] <KaiL> btw. do you know, why hotplug doesn't handle AGP devices?
[11:23] <KaiL> or is that only a leftover from sarge here?
[11:26] <Riddell> AGP == accelarated graphics port?  can you hotplug that?
[11:27] <KaiL> hotplug also handles the driver loading on boot ;)
[11:28] <Riddell> ah right.  not sure, I havn't been to the hotplug BoFs either :)
[11:29] <Riddell> that sort of thing needs to be taken up with the relevant ubuntu developers
[11:29] <KaiL> on sarge you see a nice "PCI-ID 1:00:00 ignored, on ubuntu you "only" see that the module isn't loaded later
[11:30] <KaiL> PCI-ID 01:00.0..
[12:10] <Speedy2> Using DDC can be problematic for displays using a BNC cable
[12:10] <Speedy2> (i.e. no DB-15)
[12:11] <Speedy2> The frustrating part is that normally the X configuration tools will ask you a sync range, instead of asking you to specify a vertical refresh rate
[12:13] <Speedy2> How these things can be arcane in 2005 is beyond me.
[12:14] <Riddell>  BNC cable cable?  like ethernet thinnet?
[12:14] <Speedy2> Sort of
[12:15] <Speedy2> Higher end CRTs will have BNC inputs
[12:15] <Speedy2> Seperate inputs for R,G,B and H-Sync & V-Sync
[12:15] <Speedy2> No DDC in that case
[12:15] <Riddell> don't they have VGA?
[12:15] <Speedy2> VGA == Red, Green, Blue + Hsync + Vsync
[12:15] <Speedy2> The DDC stuff was added on to some unused pins
[12:16] <Speedy2> For instance, the monitor I have, Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u has DB-15 and BNC inputs
[12:16] <Speedy2> If I hook it up via BNC, DDC detection fails and the stupid xconfig or xf86config or whatever puts it to 60 Hz.
[12:17] <Speedy2> I say put an "advanced" option where the user can specify the resolution, refresh rate and ask the monitor size to calculate the DPI


[03:45] <guiverc> @Leokolb, not sure if you noticed but we're back to 5.19 on https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/jammy/daily-live/20230802/jammy-desktop-amd64.manifest  ... older casper too..   I've completed two QA installs with it & may not do third   ...   maybe issues beyond 'our part of the pond' is why..
 tks for heads up @guiverc (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> @Leokolb, not sure if you noticed but we're back to 5.19 on https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/jammy/daily-live/20230802/jammy-desktop-amd64.manifest  ... older casper too..   I've completed two QA installs with it & may not do third   ...   maybe issues beyond 'our part of the pond' is why..)
 re 5.19 kernel ..@guiverc will wait for next daily before re-testing
 yep.   what I decided to do...
[07:59] <guiverc> (likely of no interest; the latest casper contains fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1990621 or PXE boot)...  alas casper changes are a 'trigger' to retest images (boot & install)
[07:59] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1990621 in casper (Ubuntu Jammy) "[SRU] PXE Boot contains wrong suggested link to ISO for live file system" [Low, Fix Committed]
[08:00]  * guiverc wonders if 6.2 kernel & that casper change are linked; though can't see how...
 Strange that the QA site still no mention of the .3 jammy @guiverc ???
[08:08] <guiverc> i'm not fussed yet.  I wonder if the Release Team have a number of 'balls in the air' & are thus a little behind...  I always use 'daily' so as long as .3 appears when we reach RC (which ain't yet!) I'll be happy
 good (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> i'm not fussed yet.  I wonder if the Release Team have a number of 'balls in the air' & are thus a little behind...  I always use 'daily' so as long as .3 appears when we reach RC (which ain't yet!) I'll be happy)
 also see that  Kubuntu daily 03.08.23 with 5.19 ..@guiverc 😕
 😱  (had to switch to telegram as no idea what to type for any 'emoji' like that..)   I suspected as such, but I didn't look behind Lubuntu
[15:55] <tsimonq2> Quite a few uploads just hit Mantic.
[16:09] <tsimonq2> wxl: Backports> Yeah, I think only lxqt-build-tools made it so far, unfortunately. I'm making some more progress.


[01:00] <bluefoxicy> Hey guys, on dapper, is there a specific known problem with openoffice.org freaking out?
[01:01] <Amaranth> gmail is getting really goofy now :/
[01:02] <Amaranth> ubuntu-devel Reply goes to list, messages sent to me and the list no longer sort into the right label :/
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> it's telling me 'no suitable windowing system found', oowriter2 won't start at all. . hrm
[01:03] <bluefoxicy> and nothing on launchpad, so . . . I'm gonna try init 1 3 and see if that fixes it.
[01:03] <Burgwork> holy crap yum is slow
[01:04] <LaserJock> Burgwork: that is one reason why I left Fedora :(
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> haha
[01:04] <Burgwork> don't I wish
[01:04] <Burgwork> our desktop multiplier stuff doesn't work on the new X, so no Ubuntu for me
[01:13] <Burgwork> http://archives.mandrivalinux.com/cooker/2006-02/msg02455.php <-- seems we are not alone in the livecd installer thing
[07:15] <zakame> afternoon devs :D
[07:27] <spstarr> hmm, do we have the compositor merged into metcity?
[07:57] <tepsipakki> lamont: thanks for the info, I sent it to the list...
[08:14] <Mez> godamn
[08:14] <Mez> I wish malone was actually used by everyone else
[08:14] <Mez> it'd make my life easier
[08:43] <Mez> wow
[08:43] <Mez> the mandriva bugzilla is good
[08:43] <Mez> "Priority: wishlish"
[11:20] <Tm_T> ugh, osd_cat finally works
[12:11] <heno> Hello, anyone else having trouble accessing the wiki?
[12:11] <heno> I get a certificate error now
[12:22] <pitti> Hi
[12:27] <freeflying> hi pitti
[12:36] <sivang> hi pitti
[12:36] <sivang> pitti: any news about the new dbus/hal ? :)
[12:37] <pitti> sivang: didn't you see Matt's reply?
[12:37] <pitti> it's approved
[12:37] <pitti> will do on Monday morning
[12:38] <pitti> I'd like to do some postgresql hacking and RL stuff on the weekend
[12:40] <sivang> pitti: oh sorry, was it to u-devel ?
[12:40] <pitti> sivang: no, I cc'ed you, and Matt did as well
[12:40] <sivang> pitti: hmm, then maybe a problem with my email, sorry for nagging then, you ROCK! thanks!
[12:43] <sivang> pitti: have a nice weekend.
[12:47] <pitti> you too!
[12:47] <sivang> thanks :) (back to my hacking)
[01:00] <TheMuso> c
[02:18] <siretart> is esspresso supposed to be able to install in lvm volumes? is this a targeted goal for dapper?
[02:21] <StevenK> Ohhhhh, Dapper Flight 4 looks *nice*.
[02:24] <sivang> StevenK: ofcourse it does :)
[02:25] <zakame> it should :D
[02:26] <StevenK> doko: You are aware that the binary package for moin prior to your upload was 'moin', right?
[02:26] <StevenK> doko: So now you/I/someone needs to adds Conflicts/Replaces to the three binary packages.
[02:27] <StevenK> So, who do I need to talk to about a FF exception? :-)
[02:28] <StevenK> And also talk to about punting the old moin 1.5.0-0ubuntu1 out ...
[02:52] <Pygi> hi, has it happened already sometimes that one device has several mount points in fstab by installation of dapper?
[04:08] <Pygi> anyone alive? ping :P
[04:16] <kent> Pygi: I have seen bugreports about it in launchpad.
[04:25] <Kamion> siretart: no, it's not
[04:25] <Kamion> Pygi: yes, known bug reported about half a dozen times, not investigated yet
[04:27] <siretart> Kamion: ok. I just tried to install it on lvm, and the partitioner showed my each LV as separate volume. this is quite confusing
[04:27] <Kamion> siretart: feel free to file a bug; it won't support LVM installations for dapper though
[04:27] <Kamion> too much else to do and the partitioner will be hairy enough as it is
[04:28] <siretart> Kamion: right. The bug would be about hiding the lvm volumes
[04:31] <siretart> filed as bug #32845
[04:31] <Ubugtu> malone bug 32845 in espresso "Should hide LVM volumes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32845
[04:31] <Pygi> Kamion: k, thanks
[04:52] <Kamion> mjg59: spiftacity binaries accepted, fyi
[04:53] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bazaar/dapper$ ls -l /var/log/cups/*_log
[04:53] <ogra> -rw-r--r-- 1 cupsys lpadmin 1449623 2006-02-25 16:51 /var/log/cups/access_log
[04:53] <ogra> -rw-r--r-- 1 root   lpadmin 1048612 2006-02-25 15:24 /var/log/cups/error_log
[04:53] <ogra> hmm, should the error_log be owned by root ?
[04:55] <Pygi> ogra: not really :)
[04:55] <ogra> yes, thats why my crond thinks as well :)
[04:56] <ogra> since i never ever touched cupsys on this machine, it must be a bug ...
[04:58] <Pygi> ogra: ah, *reports, fixes, uses* :)
[09:53] <triceratops> I just saw that fetchmailconf is only a script which points to '/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/fetchmailconf.py'. but this file don't exist. Is this a bug or is there a paket missing I have to install?
[10:38] <sshrdp> hi
[10:38] <sshrdp> I think it is better to add more description to the list of mailing-lists at http://lists.ubuntu.com so that users know the actual purpose of that mailing-list.
[11:26] <LaserJock> any TB members awake?
[11:33] <ploum> Hello
[11:34] <ploum> Treenaks, leuk moviegotchi
[11:34] <LaserJock> hi ploum
[11:34] <ploum> I'm in my bed with the 770 from vuntz


[13:35] <bazhang> nice
[13:37] <jpds> Quite.
  hi   bazhang   auto-greeter script
[13:38] <jpds> bazhang: We could always flood it off.
[13:39] <bazhang> or leave it to l J l
[13:39] <LjL> i've had my bitcoins stolen :(
[13:39] <LjL> because i was silly
[13:39] <jussi> :(
[13:40] <bazhang> grand theft bitcoin!
[14:14] <Pici> I wonder if we should update !grub2 now that 8.04 is the only supported release to not come with it by default.
[14:15] <ikonia> maybe do it on EOL for 8.04 ?
[14:15] <ikonia> well, it is eol on the desktop isn't it ?
[14:15] <LjL> i wonder if i should switch from LILO
[14:15] <ikonia> lilo is good, I've no problem keeping it
[14:15] <ikonia> not good for 64bit though
[14:15] <LjL> well it's only on my server
[14:16] <ikonia> you're using it on a 64bit box ?
[14:16] <LjL> no
[14:16] <ikonia> ah
[14:47] <bazhang> goliath is the one who did the f-bomb then quit
[14:47] <Pici> Yes
[14:47] <ikonia> yes
[14:47] <Pici> LjL forwared them here.
[14:48] <ikonia> he appears to have been missed by ljl's forward
[14:48] <ikonia> ahhh joined without cloak
[14:48] <ikonia> then cloaked
[14:48] <bazhang> forewarned is foresomethinged
[14:48] <ikonia> asked him to join the channel
[14:48] <ikonia> (in pm)
[14:58] <Goliath> ikonia: hey
[15:00] <LjL> Goliath: you were directed here because it's not really acceptable to say "fuck ubuntu" and then leave (or for that matter, to say it without subsequently leaving). #ubuntu has a language policy, and also it's not constructive to just throw an insult and go
[15:02] <Goliath> i got frustrated
[15:02] <Goliath> i wont join that channel again
[15:03] <Goliath> the buntu community sucks
[15:03] <Goliath> really
[15:04] <LjL> well what can i say, if you don't want to rejoin then i guess there's little to discuss. i also don't know why you got frustrated, it isn't in the backlog anymore, however while #ubuntu often doesn't answer people's inquiries, there are a lot of people who do try
[15:05] <Goliath> yeah
[15:07] <LjL> Goliath: if you say you can avoid such outbursts in the future (either by not rejoining the channel in the first place, or however else) i'm fine with just removing the ban, though
[15:08] <Goliath> ok
[15:10] <LjL> Goliath: ban removed
[15:10] <ikonia> LjL: no, I put a nick on on too
[15:10] <LjL> i removed both
[15:10] <ikonia> sorry, only saw one go
[15:24] <jpds> Hmm.
[20:38] <Pici> Hi
[20:39] <C4colo> I'd rather talk about why talking about #ubuntu in #ubuntu is considered off-topic
[20:39] <C4colo> that's the curiosity of the day
[20:40] <Pici> You mean talking about why 'mature conversation' is a bit of a misnomer because mature can mean different things in different contexts?
[20:40] <oCean> C4colo: I think you understand
[20:40] <C4colo> that one was a joke
[20:40] <oCean> and so?
[20:41] <oCean> are you making some point here?
[20:41] <Pici> C4colo: So which part were you referring to?  I only caught the tail end of the conversation.
[20:42] <C4colo> I came in asking about a LUKS issue related to upgrading, someone brought up the specific vocabulary I chose to use and thereby started that specific conversational thread
[20:43] <C4colo> I further expressed my displeasure with that particular rule, however I did remain within the constraints imposed on me by the policies of the channel in order to do so
[20:44] <oCean> true, but when asked to stop the offtopic talk (C4colo: can you stop the offtopic discussion?) you continued that particular discussion
[20:44] <C4colo> I did stop the offtopic talk
[20:44] <Pici> C4colo: I wasn't aware that discussion of channel polcies was required.  As an extreme example, I don't ask the cop why there is a speed limit of 25 on an otherwise busy road.
[20:44] <C4colo> I have followed every request
[20:45] <C4colo> I dispute the claim that discussing the policies of a channel are off-topic in that channel
[20:45] <C4colo> how can discussing #ubuntu in a channel of the same name be considered off-topic?
[20:45] <oCean> since 'tech support' is the topic, not the channel itself
[20:45] <C4colo> notice once an alternate venue was proposed I complied with that request
[20:46] <LjL> C4colo: it can and it is. if anything, *this* is the channel to discuss policies. #ubuntu is about technical support not policies.
[20:46] <Pici> LjL: (or #ubuntu-irc)
[20:46] <C4colo> neither was proposed as an alternative
[20:47] <Pici> C4colo: Thats because usually people listen to the policies and don't continue to ask about them.
 C4colo: the smalltalk goes in #ubuntu-offtopic, not here
[20:47] <LjL> i'm reviewing the logs, and it seems to me that you were directed here
[20:47] <C4colo> ok, be a good citizen, shut up and do what you are told, no discussion
[20:48] <C4colo> I was told to reclassify my on-topic discussion as off-topic
[20:48] <LjL> you can discuss, just not in #ubuntu. perhaps you could have been told sooner to come here on in -offtopic or in -irc or something, but you were told eventually
[20:48] <C4colo> that is different than asking to move a specific discussion to a more apt venue
[20:48] <Pici> I only mean to express what we're used to seeing.  Sometimes discussion of policies results in them being changed.
[20:48] <C4colo> I will not take this on-topic discussion to -offtopic, that is an unreasonable request
[20:49] <LjL> it's unreasonable of you to think you're the one to decide what is considered "ontopic"
[20:49] <C4colo> I'm using simple logic
[20:49] <C4colo> if you can't follow simple logic then you surely should not be the one to decide
[20:49] <LjL> well there is a precise definition, it's not a matter of logic
[20:49] <LjL> ontopic in #ubuntu means Ubuntu technical support. period. that's not going to change.
[20:49] <LjL> anything else?
[20:50] <C4colo> are you serious?
[20:50] <LjL> dead serious
[20:51] <C4colo> so simply "your logic is invalid, moving on"
[20:51] <LjL> yes
[20:51] <C4colo> "if you just followed the policies then you wouldn't be wrong"
[20:51] <LjL> it's not that your logic is invalid actually, it's that it's not a matter of logic in the first place
[20:51] <LjL> it's a definition
[20:51] <LjL> so moving on, is there a specific policy aside from the one about what is ontopic in #ubuntu that you want to discuss?
[20:51] <C4colo> as soon as a better venue was provided I complied
[20:52] <LjL> fine, so now you're in the better venue, which policy would you like to discuss?
[20:52] <C4colo> the cursing policy
[20:52] <C4colo> it seems asinine
[20:52] <IdleOne> common sense does apply in most cases, sometimes a support discussion will go off-topic but it is still relevant. When that off-topic starts to turn into chat and no longer support then it needs to be moved to a more appropriate channel.
[20:52] <LjL> C4colo: elaborate please
[20:52] <IdleOne> the no cursing policy will not change either
[20:52] <C4colo> If you are not old enough to read a "dirty" word then you shouldn't be on IRC
[20:52] <C4colo> period.
[20:53] <LjL> disagreed
[20:53] <LjL> period
[20:53] <LjL> if you want to put it that way
[20:53] <C4colo> so you are just imposing unreasonable rules to feel better about yourselves as ops in the #ubuntu channel?
[20:53] <LjL> you're the one who's saying they're unreasonable, they seem pretty sane to most of us
[20:53] <IdleOne> again you assume to know what "old enough" is and also that you are in a position to decide if I am old enough to want to se it.
[20:53] <C4colo> if you are not old enough to see it don't go on IRC please.
[20:53] <C4colo> because people say dirty words on there
[20:54] <LjL> not in #ubuntu, not while we're watching
[20:54] <IdleOne> if you are not old enough to follow our rules then perhaps you need to disconnect from irc
[20:54] <C4colo> it just happened
[20:54] <C4colo> I said it
[20:54] <C4colo> you must not have been watching
[20:54] <LjL> this discussion isn't being constructive
[20:54] <C4colo> then don't have it with me
[20:54] <C4colo> it is IRC
[20:54] <LjL> maybe you'd like to write to the IRC Council or the Community Council with your perplexities
[20:54] <C4colo> and you have @ by your name
[20:54] <LjL> i think i'm done here
[20:54] <LjL> part if there is nothing else
[20:55] <C4colo> I was invited here so you can say "YOu are wrong, write a committee or something" and then demand I leave?
[20:56] <Corey> C4colo: Enough.  You've had the policy explained to you, you've been given an appeals mechanism.
[20:56] <LjL> if you have nothing more constructive than "kids shouldn't be on irc" to say, then yes
[20:56] <oCean> !appeal > C4colo
[20:56] <C4colo> all that has happened is that I have been demanded to comply with various requests
[20:57] <IdleOne> correct
[20:57] <C4colo> no substantive action has transpired as a result of my compliance
[20:57] <IdleOne> also correct
[20:57] <LjL> what action were you expecting?
[20:57] <C4colo> a discussion
[20:57] <C4colo> and one that doesn't start twice with "but nothing will change"
[20:57] <IdleOne> did you think we would say "HE IS RIGHT" and change the rules.?
[20:58] <LjL> i'd have a discussion, if it weren't one that starts with "your policies are asinine and kids shouldn't be on irc"
[20:58] <LjL> our policies are mostly ok, and kids can be on irc as a matter of fact, and they are
[20:58] <LjL> so unless you've got something of more substance, we can end it here
[20:58] <C4colo> no, but starting the conversation with that is fairly counter-productive and indicative of a non-open discussion
[20:58] <C4colo> kids shouldn't be on IRC
[20:58] <C4colo> not without their parent's permission
[20:59] <charlie-tca> so, as an old man, why should I be subjected to your cussing?
[20:59] <C4colo> it is #ubuntu's job to parent?
[20:59] <LjL> #ubuntu being a family friendly channel, yes, in a way it is.
[20:59] <C4colo> if you don't  want to be exposed to things you may be uncomfortable with, on't go out in public
[20:59] <IdleOne> C4colo: is that your only argument?
[20:59] <LjL> C4colo: if you want to be able to say whatever you want, go somewhere where there is no police or ops
[20:59] <IdleOne> if you don't like it leave?
[20:59] <LjL> IdleOne: hey
[20:59] <LjL> IdleOne: it's a good argument
[20:59] <Pici> (There are channels on freenode like that, but they aren't Ubuntu channels)
[21:00] <IdleOne> C4colo: if YOU don't like it, leave.
[21:00] <LjL> i agree with it actually
[21:00] <C4colo> My real issue is with being bossed around by policy and having that conversation unnecessarily prolonged by ops who are on a power-tip or something
[21:00] <LjL> ah sorry
[21:00] <C4colo> I was seriously fine with not cursing once it was pointed out
[21:00] <C4colo> your channel, your rules, whatever
[21:00] <LjL> it's true, we're unnecessarily prolonging this here
[21:00] <LjL> bye, thanks for the feedback :)
[21:00] <C4colo> but the way it was handled was upsetting
[21:00] <C4colo> why was everyone prolonging the conversation if they wanted it to go away?
[21:00] <C4colo> I was only responding after the first joke I made
[21:01] <C4colo> and yet I was attacked
[21:01] <Corey> C4colo: Let me see if I can simplify this some.
[21:01] <Corey> We have a language policy in #ubuntu.  Please abide by it.
[21:01] <C4colo> for being "off topic" when responding to ops and other participants
[21:01] <Corey> Was there anything else?
[21:01] <C4colo> (please indicate one instance of me not abiding by your language policy once I was reminded of it)
[21:02] <C4colo> and yes, what I just said above
[21:02] <LjL> C4colo: uhm, if your request here is to be unbanned, you can probably be unbanned, as long as you agree to follow the language policy whether or not you agree with it in principle
[21:02] <C4colo> I was attacked for being off-topic when the ops and other users in the channel were the ones prolonging the conversation
[21:03] <C4colo> I didn't know I was banned, I haven't done anything ban-worthy, so whatever
[21:03] <Pici> C4colo: I thought *you* wanted to continue the conversation, thats why I asked you here.  My mistake apparently.
[21:03] <Pici> It was a mute.
[21:03] <C4colo> that's fun too
[21:04] <C4colo> but, seriously, I was just joking around about a policy that seems excessive and probably unenforcible
[21:04] <C4colo> it was in response to a comment made in the channel too
[21:04] <LjL> C4colo: ok, understood
[21:04] <LjL> C4colo: do you want your mute removed and agree to follow the policies?
[21:04] <C4colo> I have done nothing mute-worthy
[21:05] <LjL> C4colo: do you want your mute removed and agree to follow the policies?
[21:05] <C4colo> if you choose to remove it that is your choice
[21:05] <C4colo> I don't care really
[21:05] <LjL> ok, in that case, see you around
[21:07] <C4colo> I don't see the policy where you are required to abuse people coming here for help
[21:07] <C4colo> did I miss that one?
[21:07] <IdleOne> C4colo: I don't see any abuse towards you from anyone
[21:07] <IdleOne> ah, there it is
[23:24] <Corey> aurorax was just doing that in ##linux.
[23:28] <LjL> Corey: yeah, that's why i opped up
[23:28] <Corey> LjL: Yeah, it just became a network problem.


[16:51] <xu-irc81w> Hi everyone
[16:51] <xu-irc81w> sometimes xubuntu freeze when I quite hibernation. I've need to kille xsession.
[16:51] <xu-irc81w> Do you have some idea to remediate to this issue
[16:51] <xu-irc81w> ?
[16:51] <xu-irc81w> thanks
[16:52] <xu-irc81w> I've ubuntu LTS 22.04 with full update
[16:53] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc81w, do you have enough swap?
[16:57] <xu-irc81w> I think yes, but I don't sure (i will check this)
[16:57] <xu-irc81w> I've 7,5 Go RAM and 11,2 Go Swap
[17:00] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc81w, do you also dual boot?
[17:00] <xu-irc81w28> yes I've dual boot with windows 10
[17:02] <xu-irc81w28> it's not systematic
[17:02] <xu-irc81w28> that crash appear
[17:03] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-irc81w28, also check Settung Editor > xfce4-session > SaveOnExit is it enabled?
[17:06] <xu-irc81w28> no
[19:29] <Guest3513> hello!
[20:01] <Lenox> Anyone available to help with a way to set a certain path (pwd) to a variable and able to pass it to another command?
[20:14] <diogenes_Vx15> !ask | Lenox
[20:41] <Lenox> !ask
[21:15] <Lenox> I have xubuntu and I added the gnome DE but it never worked. I really am not a fan of Gnome anyway but how do I get rid of the Gnome selection of my login screen? I've removed Gnome from my system already as far as I can tell
[21:24] <xangua> If you installed "Ubuntu-desktop" then <sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop>
[21:59] <Lenox> xangua, it shows nothing to remove and nothing to install. I believe it's gone except that gnome option at the login screen which isn't too big of a deal
[22:00] <xangua> Sudo apt autoremove ?
[22:01] <Lenox> still nothing after trying that.
[22:02] <Lenox> #topic
[22:02] <Lenox> !topic
[22:10]  * Lenox newircuser
[22:11]  * Lenox wave
[22:11] <genii> metapackages (like ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop and all the rest) install their packages which gets marked as manually installed, so trying to uninstall or purge the metapackage name actually has no effect.
[22:11]  * Lenox newIRCuser
[22:12] <Lenox> @genii thank you
[22:22] <genii> Conceivably you can find a list of dependencies like this one for 20.04 ( focal) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/amd64/ubuntu-desktop/1.450 and try manually removing them but then you're in what's generally referred to as "dependency hell"
[22:23] <genii> It's actually faster and saner to just reinstall another version over whatever's currently there
[22:23] <genii> ,,a clean install, that is
[23:13] <guiverc> xangua, apt-get remove will have removed the apps, but not configs; apt-get purge would have achieved removal of configs..    Your login sessions (those you see at greeter/DM) are usually found in /usr/share/xsessions/


 That is, what is the mechanism and where are the config files?
[16:03] <coz_> delac,  mm no i dont
[16:03] <coz_> delac,  did you ask in #kde ?
[16:04] <delac> coz_: have not been there yet. maybe I should try that, althoug this is more of a gnome issue.
[16:05] <coz_> delac,  mm not sure how open they are there to speak about it but cant hurt to ask where the config files are
[16:09] <Islington> delac: what are you trying to do?
[16:10] <coz_> Islington,     <delac> anyone know how ubuntu changes kde aplications to look like gtk apps. That is, what is the mechanism and where are the
[16:10] <coz_> config files
[16:11] <Islington> .gtkrc-2.0-kde4
[16:11] <Islington> in /home/<user>
[16:11] <coz_> huh!   that makes sense :)
[16:11] <Islington> delac: ^
[16:12] <delac> Islington: I'm going to take a look of that. Thank you!
[16:13] <Islington> delac: what are you trying to configure?
[16:13] <Islington> there are easier ways than editing the file directly
[16:15] <delac> Islington: trying to change color of one particular widget in Dolphin. It is being colored by gtk and I cant change it from ksettingsmanager. On the other hand changing it from gnome will result in changing much more than that.
[16:16] <Islington> well I am assuming you are using the qtcurve theme for the widgets?
[16:17] <Islington> no not qtcurve
[16:17] <Islington> GTK+
[16:17] <Islington> try changing to clearlooks of some such
[16:19] <coz_> mm on gnome if I i nstall  system-settings I can change the colours  of kde apps to match gtk2,,, I wonder if gnome-appearance-properies installed on kde would essentially do the same ?
[16:20] <delac> Islington: actually it doesnt seem to matter what theme I select in the kde settings. All kde applications inherit the theme from gnome anyway. (using ubuntu 10.10). Only things like icons, cursor and some of the colors can be changed with kde settings.
[16:24] <Islington> delac: do you see something like this? http://i.imgur.com/zNNQr.jpg
[16:25] <delac> yes. I refer to those as kde settings :)
[16:26] <delac> although if you mean the theme, then no. My windows are completely gnome-themed.
[16:35] <Islington> but you see the widget option delac
[16:36] <Islington> worst case scenario delac look up the gtkrc being linked to in .gtkrc-2.0-kde4, go in there are change stuff
[16:40] <delac> Islington: actually .gtkrc probably wont help me, as I'm not trying to change gtk application to look like kde app, but rather trying to prevent kde app from inheriting a certain setting from gnome
[16:41] <Islington> delac: but its inheriting its themeing from the gtk+ gtkrc file, not your regular theme file no?
[16:42] <delac> Islington: indeed it is inheriting it from my regular theme
[16:43] <Islington> not from the gtk+ gtkrc file?
[16:43] <delac> there is no gtkrc file at all in my system
[16:44] <coz_> no gtkrc?  wow  I wonder, then , how they are doing this?
[16:44] <delac> so am I :)
[16:44] <coz_> delac,  :)  yeah that was a bit obvious and "duh" on my part
[22:48] <coz_> hey all


[18:59] <RoyK> what's the reason noone's taking care of bug 1171945?
[20:07] <rbasak> RoyK: the usual reason: unusual use case, not enough developers?
[20:08] <rbasak> RoyK: as for Canonical specifically, I guess no Canonical customer has that use case or has raised that issue.


[01:34] <waltman> One of the first IoT talks I ever went to, several years ago at a PPW, discussed arduino powered humidors.
[04:08] <lazyPower> you ask, and the internet says "granted"
[04:08] <lazyPower> http://hackaday.com/2014/07/28/the-smart-humidor/
[04:08] <pleia2> hehe
[04:08] <lazyPower> o/ pleia2
[04:08] <pleia2> o/
[04:08] <lazyPower> I'm starting to get excited
[04:08] <lazyPower> Sunday is coming up fast
[04:09] <pleia2> I'm in Sonoma next weekend, not sure I'll be back in time :(
[04:09] <lazyPower> Even if you have family business to attend to, I'll be around Wednesday too
[04:09] <pleia2> yay Wednesday
[04:09] <lazyPower> Mon/Tues are spoken for w/ the conf
[04:09] <lazyPower> but i took an extra day in SF to soak in teh hipster culture before i head back to the burgh
[04:09] <pleia2> nice
[04:09] <lazyPower> not enough hipsters here to really soak it in
[04:09] <lazyPower> i mean, i guess i could move to lawrenceville
[04:09] <lazyPower> but thats sooooo expensive
[04:09] <pleia2> hah
[04:10] <pleia2> I obviously have work, but I live right downtown and am free by 5pm for anything really
[04:11] <lazyPower> right on, i'll reach out here when i leave the conf area and i'm not bound by the laws of conference gods to go do the after hours elbow rubbings with projects i want to be involved in
[04:11] <pleia2> hehe
[04:11] <lazyPower> greetings sir, may i have a pull request?
[04:11] <pleia2> also, the bar at the top of the marriot marquis has beaaaautiful views if it's not foggy
[04:11] <lazyPower> oooo
[04:12] <lazyPower> so you're telling me i should bring the DSLR and do the whole tourist thing while I'm there?
[04:12] <pleia2> you'll pay $15 for a drink, but it's worth it :)
[04:12] <pleia2> totally
[04:12] <lazyPower> i've already prepared my wallet for going broke
[04:12] <pleia2> hehe
[04:12] <lazyPower> #thankssteam
[04:12] <pleia2> inorite
[04:13] <pleia2> actually, tempting list as it was, I have placed a moratorium on new games
[04:13] <lazyPower> i need to join a support group
[04:13] <lazyPower> i cannot stop myself
[04:13] <pleia2> haha
[04:14] <lazyPower> its like "I'll get around to this next year *buy*"
[04:14] <pleia2> yeah
[04:14] <lazyPower> meanwhile... fallout 4 on the horizon
[04:14] <lazyPower> its like "You know you're going to lose a solid 6 months to me... why are you even kidding yourself?"
[04:14] <lazyPower> and my wallet is like "Jerk..."
[04:14] <pleia2> well today, FF7 remake? I AM GOING TO QUIT MY JOB AND PLAY FF7
[04:15] <lazyPower> haha, IKR
[04:15] <lazyPower> relive those glory days, maybe this time your primary white magic user wont die
[04:15] <pleia2> lol
[04:15] <lazyPower> and just to be fun, the nintendo devs added 42 new WEAPONS to the map
[04:15] <lazyPower> enjoy the grind... this will not be easy
[04:16] <lazyPower> gahd i think about how much time i sank into that franchise, and i regret none of it
[04:16] <lazyPower> good times
[04:16] <pleia2> same
[04:16] <lazyPower> wanna be steam fwiends?
[04:16] <pleia2> I uninstalled it
[04:16] <lazyPower> so you can pwn me in TF2 and laugh at how pathetic i am at FPS
[04:16] <lazyPower> oooo
[04:17] <lazyPower> hence the moratorium
[04:17] <lazyPower> got it
[04:17] <pleia2> yeah, I switched to only playing console games, when I play games at all
[04:17] <lazyPower> i weep silently that you're not doing a steambox supporting the gaming on linux cause
[04:17] <lazyPower> but its cool, i wont hold a grudge
[04:17] <lazyPower> in fact, i blame myself
[04:17] <lazyPower> i arrived too late
[04:18] <pleia2> heh
[04:18] <pleia2> my first geek famous thing was having unreal tournament instructions for debian on my site in 2002, I've done my duty over the years
[04:19] <lazyPower> wow, that was back when you had to do the wine schenanigans
[04:19] <lazyPower> that or the lokii installer, i forget
[04:19] <pleia2> they had a linux installer, but to install the umod packs you needed to use the script that was hard to find
[04:20] <pleia2> and it was lame without the umod packs, so
[04:20] <lazyPower> soudns about liek any pc game ever, the mods make the community
[04:20] <pleia2> and increasingly console games :\
[04:20] <lazyPower> YOUR DLC IS ONLY $29.99
[04:21] <lazyPower> the core game was $30.00
[04:21] <pleia2> x_x
[04:21] <lazyPower> \o/
[04:21] <lazyPower> yay i get to buy it again
[04:21] <lazyPower> dude, pleia2
[04:21] <lazyPower> i have GOT to schmooze with you openstack peeps and get an openstack shirt
[04:21] <pleia2> haha
[04:21] <lazyPower> i'm so jelly of everybody that got to go to ODS, meanwhile i'm over here like herp derp dockercon yup
[04:22] <pleia2> ODS is awesome <3
[04:22] <lazyPower> the one i got in belgium is great and all
[04:22] <lazyPower> but i want the new schwag
[04:22] <lazyPower> cuz ya know, openstack = private infrastructure for errbody
[04:22] <pleia2> oddly I know fewer and fewer canonical folks at the summit these days
[04:22] <lazyPower> well our OS team h as grown a bit this year
[04:22] <pleia2> I know dustin and robbie, but that's about it aside from mark and jane
[04:23] <lazyPower> really?
[04:23] <lazyPower> oh man, you gotta put in that request and be like "Get lazy power over to ODS"
[04:23] <pleia2> yeah, I hardly recognized anyone
[04:23] <lazyPower> "He's gonna introduce me to the cool people... or so he says"
[04:23] <lazyPower> whether theyre cool or not is still to be seen ^_^
[04:23] <pleia2> hehe
[04:23] <lazyPower> actually our storage guy chris holcomb came from facebook
[04:23] <lazyPower> he''s working on a gluster charm in rustlang
[04:24] <lazyPower> crazy interesting approach
[04:24] <pleia2> really, gluster?
[04:24] <lazyPower> yeah
[04:24] <lazyPower> we have a charm for Ceph already
[04:24]  * pleia2 nods
[04:24] <pleia2> and presumably swift too
[04:24] <lazyPower> so gluster was the next step i suppose?
[04:24] <lazyPower> oh yeah, we have had s wift since havana aiui
[04:25] <lazyPower> you know us juju cats, we're crazy like foxes. Charming up the world
[04:25] <pleia2> hehe
[04:25] <lazyPower> making more boxes so we can draw lines between boxes and work the infrastructure magic
[04:25] <lazyPower> because boxes  + lines = interesting stories
[04:25] <pleia2> I liked the juju powered ice cream at the hong kong ODS
[04:26] <pleia2> it was clever and fun
[04:26] <lazyPower> meanwhile, we see those charms and think "What a terrible way to explain what we do"
[04:26] <pleia2> lol
[04:27] <lazyPower> i mean, at its core, basic foundation, sure
[04:27] <lazyPower> "I want strawberry"
[04:27] <lazyPower> drag and drop strawberry and get your soft serve
[04:27] <lazyPower> "I want wordpress"
[04:27] <lazyPower> drag and drop and you get wordperss.. kinda... you ahve to drop your db and draw a line
[04:27] <lazyPower> ermahgerd werdperss
[04:27] <lazyPower> anywho
[04:27] <pleia2> I think you had to draw lines for the toppings
[04:27] <lazyPower> ahhhh
[04:27] <lazyPower> ok
[04:27] <pleia2> I don't know, I didn't actually do it, I made robbie make me one
[04:27] <lazyPower> add a relation to your toppings
[04:27] <lazyPower> oi
[04:28] <lazyPower> haha thats so us though
[04:28] <lazyPower> i love my jerb
[04:28] <pleia2> me too
[04:28] <lazyPower> :D
[04:28] <lazyPower> ^5 for job/life satisfaction
[04:28] <lazyPower> we figured this crap out early
[04:28] <lazyPower> my parents never did figure it out, and hated working. all 60 years of it
[04:29] <lazyPower> i'm like "nope"
[04:29] <lazyPower> "not gonna do that"
[04:29] <pleia2> I just got lucky
[04:29] <lazyPower> thats a fair assessment, in many regards i did too
[04:29] <pleia2> I like linux and open source, and it turns out people want to pay me to work on it, score
[04:30] <lazyPower> but we shouldn't negate the work we put in to get here either
[04:30] <lazyPower> i mean, just 4 short years ago i was a pool boy
[04:30] <pleia2> indeed, a lot of work
[04:30] <lazyPower> you've got quite the impressiev back story, when i did my "internet research" on you while in belgium there's a lot on google
[04:31] <lazyPower> you're an absolute power house in the community
[04:31] <pleia2> much of which I did for free because <3
[04:31] <lazyPower> aannndd creepiest statement tonight goes to me for admitting i did research on you
[04:32] <pleia2> hahah
[04:32] <pleia2> it's less creepy when you admit to it
[04:32] <lazyPower> phwew
[04:33] <lazyPower> i admit it, creeper reduction level 2
[04:34] <pleia2> lol
[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[11:44] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:44] <JonathanD> So hey, uh, pleia2... could you throw me a retweet? :D
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:15] <WorkingTurkey> waltman: i have several cigar ideas in the making
[15:40] <ChinnoDog> Why is it so complex to get the bell working in Ubuntu? I finally got the audible bell working on my laptop but still can't figure out why it won't play through my ssh session.
[15:41] <waltman> ChinnoDog: because linux
[15:42] <ChinnoDog> Weren't terminal specifications created to fix things like this?
[15:43] <waltman> I don't know, but I do know that's what the visual bell in screen was created to fix :)
[15:44] <ChinnoDog> It is an in interesting solution to the problem but of limited usefulness. I want to send the bell character not just so I can hear the bell on my terminal but also so its window can blink.
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> The first problem was that alsa didn't have a sound sample to play for the bell. I don't think I have a PC speaker so that is the only way for it to play.
[15:45] <waltman> That's exactly what screen's visual bell does.
[15:46] <waltman> wait, a sound sample?
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> It flashes the terminal window but it won't cause it to flash in the GUI.
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> I want it to get my attention if I don't have the terminal window up
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> Yes, a sound sample so that the bell works locally.
[15:47] <waltman> Oh, I thought you wanted to beep the internal bell, e.g. like this: echo '\a'
[15:47] <waltman> I'm very confused.
[15:47] <ChinnoDog> It is the same thing.
[15:47] <waltman> that doesn't use a sound sample!
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> It may play to the PC speaker but it also gets intercepted by alsa
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> I don't have a PC speaker so if it plays there I wouldn't know.
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> If you install the sound sample for the bell into also then it will play through the sound card.
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> I remember opening a Packard Bell desktop once and finding that the sound card had a jumper on it for connecting the PC speaker output from the motherboard so it would always play through the sound card. I thought that was clever. I wish it were wired like that.
[15:52] <waltman> I thought the pc speaker and the sound card were separate things. But my linux box is getting on 10 years old, so maybe things have change.
[15:52] <waltman> Anyhow, I don't know the answer to your question, so I'll just be quiet now.
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> They are separate things but modern computers don't have a PC speaker. They saved 4 cents and left it out.
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> That is why connecting the PC speaker output to a sound card input was clever. I'm sure the PC speaker I/O port still exists in the chipset. It just isn't connected to anything.
[15:53] <jthan> my case speaker is still there and works fine
[15:54] <jthan> and that's my workstation at work... which I got two weeks ago
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> Most desktops still have them because motherboard manufacturers frequently put surface mount speakers directly onto the desktop motherboards.
[15:55] <ChinnoDog> If they added a full sized 8 ohm speaker to the case for you then I guess it is a frill.
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> Anyway, I digress! I can't beep over an SSH session!
[16:24] <WorkingTurkey> yeah
[16:24] <WorkingTurkey> xset +b
[16:24] <WorkingTurkey> right?
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> I already did that.
[16:46] <ChinnoDog> Somehow I've made it work but I don't know how.
[16:47] <ChinnoDog> I can now play the beep character in weechat and the sound plays locally.
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> apparently the beep command does not beep. I can "echo -e \\a" to test it though.
[16:49] <ChinnoDog> Now I just have to figure out how to get the visual bell to work in Unity.
[16:51] <lazyPower> you could always pipe that through notify-osd
[16:54] <ChinnoDog> How do I do that?
[16:55] <lazyPower> http://askubuntu.com/questions/161851/how-do-i-use-notify-send-to-immediately-replace-an-existing-notification
[16:56] <lazyPower> that answer is a bit overkill
[16:56] <lazyPower> just notify-send will work
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> I don't know how to execute it when I receive a terminal beep though.
[16:58] <JonathanD> I really need a notification on my laptop for irssi.
[16:58] <ChinnoDog> Actually, maybe I should just install Terminology.
[16:59] <lazyPower> https://weechat.org/scripts/source/anotify.py.html/
[16:59] <lazyPower> seems like someone already did it for you
[17:00] <lazyPower> anything in this list that requires libnotify is a candidate for working with notify-osd
[17:00] <lazyPower> https://weechat.org/scripts/stable/tag/notify/
[17:00] <ChinnoDog> It wIt would have to work over ssh though
[17:00] <lazyPower> ah
[17:01] <lazyPower> i didnt see that part
[17:01] <lazyPower> thats tricky
[17:01] <ChinnoDog> https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology
[21:57] <lazyPower> interesting


[21:22] <k1l_> aethersis: we cant tell you what a windows virus can do to wine and if that can get out of the wine layer (i would guess it could because xorg security is a nightmare) and harm the ubuntu system.
[21:22] <pankid> Seveas: Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing something. I am new to the whole PCI thing.
[21:22] <quants> Any idea why I cant download from these links?? http://www.cyberage.cx/index.php?page=archives
[21:23] <aethersis> yeah, not to mentions I have packets from xorg-edgers installed xD
[21:23] <Seveas> pankid: you're in for a world of pain. And learn to love the term "compensating control" :)
[21:23] <aethersis> so I think it might be even worse now
[21:23] <aethersis> is there any better alternative to Xorg?
[21:23] <aethersis> it's pretty damn old I think
[21:23] <k1l_> aethersis: not a working solution for daily usage so far
[21:24] <aethersis> unbelievable
[21:24] <aethersis> anyway thank you k1l_
[21:24] <quants> k1l_ hows it going?
[21:24] <pankid> Seveas: I have never heard of that term before you mentioned it. I opened up the dispute findings tab and there it is again.
[21:24] <tgm4883> k1l_: well being that you can browse and write to the linux filesystem from within wine, I'd say it can do almost whatever it wants
[21:25] <Seveas> pankid: it basically means "I think your control is bonkers, and here's what I tend to implement instead, which will satisfy the intent of the rule"
[21:25] <Jordan_U> aethersis: Wayland is *almost* ready for daily usage IMHO. I've used a wayland session for a few days (with only a few apps using Xwayland) with only a few minor glitches.
[21:25] <k1l_> tgm4883: i thought it was some windows c drive layer between. but that is even worse than.
[21:25] <Blue_Sapphire> A new update for Android Studio has come out, i have 1.0.1, and I am not sure of how to go about updating. I do not have the option to automatically update so I downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS> stable patch (.zip) and i'm not sure what to do with it. According to the website it should install a patch instead of a full IDE image but i dont know what to do with the .zip file.
[21:25] <aethersis> does Wayland work with KDE?
[21:26] <tgm4883> k1l_: there is a fake C drive, but IIRC there is another drive that is your home directory
[21:26] <pankid> Seveas: Like when it flags me for having port 22 open even though I use ssh keys, disable root login, and have fail2ban running.
[21:26] <Jordan_U> aethersis: KDE is much less far along with implementing full wayland support. GNOME3 is what I tried.
[21:26] <tgm4883> k1l_: wine isn't a sandbox, I don't believe they have ever pretended to write for security
[21:26] <k1l_> Jordan_U: aethersis there is still _a lot_ of xorg stuff used in the wayland desktops.
[21:26] <aethersis> Jordan_U: I see. I found KDE to be the best environment for me
[21:26] <Seveas> pankid: yup.
[21:27] <Seveas> pankid: though on public IP addresses I'd still move ssh to a different port to get quieter logs :)
[21:27] <k1l_> tgm4883: i dont use wine. i dont even blame wine. they try to provide a solution that is requested.
[21:27] <quants> I need help!!!
[21:28] <Seveas> pankid: It doesn't make you safer (you're pretty safe already), but helps staying sane :)
[21:28] <tgm4883> k1l_: me neither. I used to, but I've found alternatives for my software
[21:28] <Seveas> quants: don't we all
[21:28] <quants> Seveas so true, can i see some advice?
[21:28] <k1l_> quants: ask the admin
[21:28] <Seveas> quants: don't eat yellow snow!
[21:29] <quants> Seveas, thanks :0
[21:30] <quants> Seveas, can you tell me why i cant download from a download link?
[21:30] <bekks> quants: Can you tell us an error message you get?
[21:30] <Jkessler> quants: what browser?
[21:31] <k1l_> quants: ask the admin of that site, why their site is broken. not us. we cant fix their site
[21:31] <Seveas> I use right-alt as compose key. But since a while (don't know when exactly, could be since I upgraded to 15.04), the compose key sometimes stops working. It then only works in the unity dash. not in gedit, not in terminator, not in firefox or anything else I tried. A reboot doesn't always fix this. What could possibly cause this?
[21:32] <Jkessler> quants: if using firefox, try creating a new profile. or install chrome to troubleshoot
[21:32] <Blue_Sapphire> A new update for Android Studio has come out, i have 1.0.1, and I am not sure of how to go about updating. I do not have the option to automatically update so I downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS> stable patch (.zip) and i'm not sure what to do with it. According to the website it should install a patch instead of a full IDE image but i dont know what to do with the .zip file.
[21:32] <Jkessler> don't know about the compose key
[21:33] <quants> bekks, i dont get an error message, jkessler i have tried Firefox and Crome
[21:33] <bekks> quants: So tell us whats happening.
[21:34] <quants> Bekks I am trying to download some music from this site http://www.cyberage.cx/index.php?page=archives but i just cant seem to do it
[21:35] <bekks> quants: Why not? Could you start to provide some details?
 Bekks I am trying to download some music from this site http://www.cyberage.cx/index.php?page=archives but i just cant seem to do it
[21:35] <bekks> quants: Why not...?
[21:35] <Jkessler> quants: just no action when clicking hyperlinks? i'd try a clean install if you upgraded from an earlier version. upgrades can be buggy. maybe not the best answer but it's what i'd do, backup, install common packages, update and be done. but i've moved to mint since they started pushing unity over knome.
[21:35] <Jkessler> gnome*
[21:36] <bunty> what are the possible players for RTSP streaming on ubuntu touch?
[21:36] <brainwash_> !touch
[21:37] <xangua> quants: right clic, save as
[21:37] <Blue_Sapphire> A new update for Android Studio has come out, i have 1.0.1, and I am not sure of how to go about updating. I do not have the option to automatically update so I downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS> stable patch (.zip) and i'm not sure what to do with it. According to the website it should install a patch instead of a full IDE image but i dont know what to do with the .zip file.
 sorry im a newb,  im trying to (save link as) and i get this message: The download cannot be saved because an unknown error occurred.  Please try again.
 not working
[21:38] <bekks> quants: So try another browser. If that doesnt work, ask the admin of that site.
[21:38] <k1l_> quants: ok again and last time now: their site is broken. so talk to the website admin to fix their page.
 <bekks> thanks guys, im new to computers.  ill contact them now.
[21:43] <kostkon> Blue_Sapphire, use Ubuntu-make aka ubuntu make
[21:43] <kostkon> Blue_Sapphire, from now on*
[21:43] <Blue_Sapphire> kostkon, i use a hashtag before? like #ubuntu-make?
[21:44] <Blue_Sapphire> #ubuntu-make
[21:45] <kostkon> Blue_Sapphire, http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Ubuntu-Make%3A-the-new-Ubuntu-Developer-Tools-Center-name!    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[21:45] <Blue_Sapphire> ok, thank you
[21:52] <mikubuntu> omg. losing my mind. finally got a live session going of lubuntu 1204 running on this hp mini 1000. but it won't recognize ethernet, so i can't download broadcom wireless drivers and i don't know how to export the jockey log so maybe someone could help me diagnose. any ideas?
[21:54] <tgm4883> mikubuntu: why 12.04 and not 14.04?
[21:54] <tgm4883> mikubuntu: I thought the ethernet on that worked OOTB, I'd have to go home and boot mine up
[21:54] <mikubuntu> 1404 was giving me black screen of death
[21:55] <mikubuntu> had several people helping me, and one of the suggestions was to try 1204
[21:55] <OerHeks> THe BCM driver should be available in additional drivers
[21:56] <lessbius> how can I block all connections except for those initiated by the browser or flash?
[21:56] <tgm4883> lessbius: block all outgoing connections?
[21:57] <mikubuntu> i tried 1204 full flavor ubuntu, but it seemed like too much for the little box to handle and just froze up -- so after a break i came back and burned a 1204 lubuntu stick -- the box is not getting hung up per se, but i can neither get it to connect on wire, so i can't dl the wreless drivers for broadcom
[21:58] <hplc_> how will html5 affect PHP and ASP?
[21:58] <lessbius> tgm4883: I'm trying to analyze traffic generated by a specific flash app, but it spawns enough separate connections to make it a pain to isolate its stuff in wireshark. So I'm looking for a way to minimize what wireshark's picking up.
[21:59] <bazhang> hplc_, not on topic here
[22:03] <hplc_> mikubuntu, if possible, plug in a usb wifi card or usb rj45 and access the machine with ssh from another computer?
[22:04] <hplc_> mikubuntu, ...perhaps u tried that though
[22:06] <tgm4883> personally I'd try a non-unity version of 14.04
[22:06] <tgm4883> xubuntu perhaps
[22:08] <nomic> xubuntu is xfce
[22:08] <nomic> is very good
[22:09] <savino_> i like xfce she is so small
[22:09] <hplc_> in absolutely worst case i would have tried to go serial cable and ....eeeehm, name of that app?? "Kermit"? was it?
[22:11] <mikubuntu> hplc_: no, how could i do that? the rj45 connection i mean -- the little box only has one usb port and that has the live stick in it, but if i could do with the ethernet cord that would be cool
[22:15] <mikubuntu> hplc_: is ssh built in to the live lubuntu 1204?
[22:16] <hplc_> wasnt the standard nic down?
[22:18] <hplc_> then you need an usb rj45 adapter, or bluetooh, or direct usb to usb link
[22:21] <mikubuntu> hplc_: so you can't just connect rj45 to rj45?
[22:24] <hplc_> yes, but i thought you said the network card did not start at all?
[22:25] <skits> Just got a new server. Default and only option was for ubuntu 10.10.  I want to install Ubuntu 14.10server. I only have access via ssh atm. so any restarts or interaction need to be able to be maintained through ssh. Is this possible using apt-get or some other means without using ssh functionality?
[22:26] <skits> loosing^
[22:26] <mikubuntu> hplc_: are you talking to me?
[22:26] <hplc_> mikubuntu, yes
[22:26] <pavlos> mikubuntu, looked at the hp mini 1000 specs, it does have an ethernet connection so you should be able to have wired ethernet.
[22:27] <mikubuntu> pavlos: yes but it wouldn't work when i had it wired right to the modem
[22:27] <OerHeks> skits, 10.10 ? then you would need to go trough 11.04 > 11.10 > 12.04 > 14.04 > 14.10 ...
[22:28] <mikubuntu> the wireless card would work if i could get the driver installed, because it works on xp thats running on the box
[22:28] <OerHeks> skits, "new server" .. is it a VPS by any chance ? then you would need their images
[22:29] <OerHeks> most of them are heavily tweaked.
[22:29] <skits> No its a dedicated server. and I saw something about the do-release upgrade thing being depreceated
 upload a ver 14 iso to your server , set apt get sources.list to point to the iso , then do a aptget update .
[22:29] <welsh1lad> you are also going to need to a do a kernel upgrade as well
[22:30] <john02139> hello
[22:30] <mikubuntu> hplc_: pavlos is there a way to connect them with ethernet to ethernet cord?
[22:30] <skits> hmm. I only recently jumped headfirst into headless. I might need ot garner some help from the provider here.
[22:30] <pavlos> mikubuntu, can you tether the laptop to a smartphone?
[22:30] <welsh1lad> you may also need to upload ver 12 as well and do a two part upgrade ie 10 too 12 and then 12 to 14
[22:30] <john02139> i'm having trouble installing ubuntu 14.04.2 on a mac
[22:30] <skits> i'll do some research on what you said and give it a shot. Thank you for your time
[22:31] <hplc_> mikubuntu, if network mikubuntuyes with a RJ45 crossover cable, and basic know-how of how to use ifconfig
[22:31]  * skits waves to the nice people
[22:31] <mikubuntu> pavlos my laptop, or the target machine?
[22:31] <welsh1lad> it will be much quicker if you pre-load the iso , than access the internet
[22:31] <OerHeks> john02139, did you take a look at the mactel pages?
[22:31] <OerHeks> !mac
[22:32] <pavlos> mikubuntu, the hp mini unless I did not follow the issue ... I thought the hp mini cannot connect to the net so you can d/l wifi drivers
[22:32] <john02139> not yet.
[22:32] <hplc_> anyways, time for me to sleep
[22:33] <mikubuntu> pavlos: thats correct, the mini is the target machine -- but it only has one usb port, and the live lubuntu is occupying that port
[22:33] <polishpoliceforc> anyone know of a way to change the default settings of the webcam permanently? namely the microsoft life 3000
[22:35] <emanuel> test
[22:36] <emanuel> test
[22:36] <savino_> test done
[22:37] <emanuel> heh, trying to work this irssi window thingy
[22:37] <savino_> it works
[22:37] <savino_> congrates you irssu works correct
[22:37] <emanuel> im trying to have two windows with each their own channel
[22:37] <pavlos> mikubuntu, according to the HP manual, there is one usb port on the left side and one on the right side ...http://www.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01683469.pdf
[22:38] <savino_> yeah i know its not a easy system
[22:38] <savino_> have you tree weechat as alternative
[22:38] <savino_> apt-get install weechat
[22:38] <emanuel> is it console based?
[22:38] <savino_> yes
[22:39] <mikubuntu> pavlos: omg. you're right, i thought that was an hdmi port :P
[22:39] <pavlos> mikubuntu, pages 17, 18
[22:39] <mikubuntu> pavlos: so thats a good thing, right? lol.
[22:40] <savino_> https://weechat.org/  as you like compilate this can also
[22:40] <pavlos> mikubuntu, yes, le left port takes the live usb, the right can be thethered to a smartphone, enable wifi so it can get Net. Then grab the wifi driver
[22:40] <mikubuntu> pavlos: so yes i have an android phone with a data cable
[22:41] <mikubuntu> pavlos: but it won't receive wifi until it has the driver right?
[22:42] <savino_> have you a screen splash as xfce or gnome then can you also work with a websystem    https://kiwiirc.com/
[22:42] <savino_> my idea is better you take Gnome as internet browser
[22:42] <pavlos> mikubuntu, enable wifi on android, connect to laptop, click on Network manager to connect, then you can see the Net. So far it is not using the wifi of the hp mini, just usb to adroid
[22:43] <emanuel> savino_: im using weechat and it has more info, but im still not sure it solves my problem
[22:43] <pavlos> mikubuntu, strange that wired does not work
[22:44] <mikubuntu> k, trying to download foxfi to android
[22:44] <savino_> hmm
[22:44] <emanuel> oh nvm, i got it :D
[22:44] <savino_> ok
[22:44] <savino_> good
[22:44] <emanuel> thanks
[22:44] <savino_> hugs
[22:44] <emanuel> XD
[22:45] <dubhdara> Can someone help me when i reboot me ubuntu my eth0 says it is down how do i get it from doing this all the time
[22:45] <mikubuntu> pavlos: strange doesn't begin to get it, going on the end of the 4th day messing with this thing, and every little thing seems to go wrong, starting to wonder if its haunted
[22:45] <savino_> what is you network card
[22:45] <dubhdara> realtek
[22:45] <savino_> hmm
[22:46] <savino_> normal is it most of time compatible on ubuntu
[22:46] <dubhdara> yeah usually works great
[22:46] <savino_> yeah
[22:47] <savino_> what is you desk screen
[22:47] <savino_> unity
[22:47] <matthias_> hi,I'm trying to manually compile a package using autoconf with different gcc options (-O0). where does autoconf get the default CXXFLAGS when using dpkg,..etc?
[22:47] <dubhdara> nope got the minimal install text
[22:48] <savino_> ah ok
[22:48] <dubhdara> running a mumble server on top of it
[22:48] <savino_> ow
[22:48] <savino_> i need real real think this
[22:49] <dubhdara> well i get it back up by doing a ifconfigh eth0 up
[22:49] <Seveas> matthias_: in the debian/rules file in the source package (apt-get source packagename)
[22:50] <dubhdara> and then i do ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:50] <savino_> have you a model of you card
[22:50] <dubhdara> as local inet but it doesn't stay that way after reboot
[22:51] <dubhdara> no unfortunately not
[22:51] <savino_> range of 8000 of realtek have problems
[22:51] <dubhdara> just know the brand is realteak
[22:51] <savino_> what is you version of ubuntu
[22:51] <savino_> 13 14 15
[22:51] <dubhdara> 15.04 minimal/alt
[22:51] <savino_> hmm
[22:52] <savino_> and have you this problem with other versions of ubuntu
[22:52] <savino_> or allone with v 15
[22:52] <dubhdara> no just running the version 15 here
[22:52] <savino_> ok
[22:53] <savino_> i think you better migrate to ubuntu 14 so far is ubuntu 15 a Dev version
[22:53] <teward> savino_: 15.04 is released as 'stable'
[22:54] <teward> savino_: so you need to state your source :P
[22:54] <teward> 'stable' but not long term support
[22:54] <teward> (it's an intermediate release, yes)
[22:54] <savino_> hmm ok this can allone some things can gone wrong in versions
[22:54] <lunat1k> i use 15,04 work perferct
[22:54] <matthias_> Seveas: thx, but in the package rules file there are only 2 includes (/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk)) and python related stuff (this is a python package))
[22:54] <dubhdara> yeah i have not any problems with 15.04
[22:54] <dubhdara> just this one network prob
[22:55] <mikubuntu> pavlos: i think theres a problem -- foxfi says i need pdanet desktop 4.0 or higher on the computer side. and i just got a call to go pick someone up, so i have to table. sorry to have bothered you guys. be back later i guess.
[22:55] <savino_> i know realtek are most of time compatible on ubuntu
[22:56] <matthias_> ah, got it. stupid me...ofc just override it...
[22:56] <dubhdara> well after i reboot and i do a ip addr
[22:56] <dubhdara> it says eth0 is state DOWN
[22:57] <dubhdara> we got to solve this down thing
[22:57] <savino_> nah have you not cable problems or so this can also give a down
[22:58] <savino_> or try reset you modem
[22:58] <savino_> and go reboot and see in ifconfig
[23:03] <dubhdara> okay i think i have found the solution
[23:04] <savino_> i am happy as it works
[23:06] <dubhdara> okay rebooting now to see if it works
[23:06] <savino_> ok
[23:07] <dubhdara> yeah it works in the /etc/network/interfaces file the eth0 lines was missing
[23:07] <dubhdara> auto eth0
[23:07] <savino_> ok
[23:07] <dubhdara> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:07] <savino_> i am so happy now
[23:08] <dubhdara> but they was there
[23:08] <savino_> detect fine oh i am so happy
[23:08] <dubhdara> yep its fixed i hope now
[23:08] <savino_> good
[23:08] <dubhdara> now i will try and get to the mumble server again
[23:08] <savino_> ok
[23:08] <savino_> this is a other stuff
[23:08] <savino_> not my deparment
[23:09] <savino_>  /giggles
[23:09] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Back!
[23:11] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: So if I follow the install process you sent, what do I loose?  Noticed the process suggested installing Clonezilla, but will not install, because of the issues on this computer!
[23:12] <lessbius> I'm using wireshark to capture traffic related to chrome/flash in linux. Is there an easy way to block all other connections so that I don't have to spend a lot of time manually filtering stuff out?
[23:12] <dubhdara> well if you need to know how to set one up yell at me its hard but its fun having a mumble server
[23:13] <savino_> hmm i am a opensimulator manager
[23:13] <savino_> a virtual world
[23:13] <savino_> not a mumble hoster
[23:13] <ObrienDave> SecondLife?
[23:13] <savino_> sort of secondlife
[23:15] <savino_> i like it create things on opensimulator
[23:16] <TBotNik> Jordan_U: Clonezilla and Teamviewer are the 2 packages that will not install when 14.04 corrupts itself on an install.  I say "corrupts itself" because used the same LiveDVD on the first round of installs, but when I found all the problems have kept downloading each new version, based on patches and only the online upgrade has worked since.  That is what I ran on the work machine, that went seemlessly
[23:23] <Geo> Hi, has anyone moved cvs from one server to another? I have absolutely no experience with it, but need to get the cvs repo over to a new machine- what do I need to do beyond moving files?
[23:24] <Geo> I tried cvs -d init prior to moving files in the dir, but that only gave me an error
[23:27] <tsyd> How do I get upstart to log the stdout/stderr of my job/service?
[23:28] <tsyd> Putting `console log` in the upstart script does not log anything to /var/log/upstart
[23:29] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[23:29] <savino_> hallo
[23:29] <ShapeShifter499> does anyone know how to boot and install if the onboard memory is bad?
[23:30] <Ranger15> if you know its bad why would you want to?
[23:31] <ShapeShifter499> Ranger15: I have one ram slot I can boot off of
[23:31] <Ranger15> ShapeShifter499,  the way you say onboard, what hardware are working with?
[23:31] <ShapeShifter499> there is no bios option to disable the on board ram
[23:31] <ShapeShifter499> acer aspire one
[23:31] <ShapeShifter499> zg5 model
[23:32] <savino_> as my brains are sick need i go to a psygiater
[23:32] <Ranger15> ShapeShifter499,  so no removal of the it?
[23:33] <ShapeShifter499> Ranger15: nope
[23:33] <Ranger15> attached to the main board
[23:33] <ShapeShifter499> Ranger15: lol yes
[23:33] <savino_> ,p
[23:33] <Ranger15> Well that is sucko position to be in.
[23:34] <Ranger15> ShapeShifter499,  I dont have answer for you, maybe someone else does.
[23:36] <ex0r> Hello, im having an issue with ubuntu. I cannot log into my ubuntu system using the default 'Ubuntu' login selection. If I click on the ubuntu logo on the right corner of the login prompt and select something different, I can log in, but if I try to log in using the default ubuntu system, it takes me back to the login screen
[23:36] <ex0r> any idea why?
[23:37] <ex0r> I can log into MATE, but that's it
[23:37] <Jervac> hmm, none of my /help commands do anything...
[23:39] <welsh1lad> /leave
[23:43] <Bashing-om> exekias: Lost authoriztion to access your /home ? At the login screen key combo ctl+alt+F1 to gain a console . Login here with username and password . Pastebin terminal command result ' ls -al | pastebinit ' to show who owns the files.
[23:44] <leafybasil> Can anyone tell me why my ~/.xinitrc is being ignored?
[23:46] <leafybasil> When used in conjunction with DWM that is!
[23:50] <skits> Thanks for the help earlier. I safely made it to 14.04.02 Now looking to hit the 14.10 mark but oddly apt-get dist-upgrade is not working after apt-get update
[23:50] <skits> anything i might be missing or overlooking?
[23:50] <Guest91308> oi
[23:51] <bazhang> skits dist-upgrade is not a version changer
[23:51] <ObrienDave> skits, do-release-upgrade
[23:51] <skits> ok, so it won't change minor versions then. I was worried the do-release-upgrade would tak me to 15.0*
[23:52] <ObrienDave> it can only do one version at a time. 14.10 next, then 15.04
[23:52] <skits> ok, thats what i did in hopes to get to 14.04 but i only needed to do it twice to get here. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated!
[23:53] <ObrienDave> 14.10 is EOL at the end of the month
[23:54] <skits> any know caveeats with the ltsserver version that would stop someone from upgrading. specifically with lamp servers or java implimentation?
[23:54] <skits> any known^
[23:57] <B0g4r7> skits, you may be stopped from upgrading unless you modify /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal.
[23:57] <skits> i think your right, just ran update twice and tried both methods to update distro and said not found :3...Good call :)
[23:58] <B0g4r7> I like to stick with the LTS releases myself.


[01:34] <JontheEchidna> Oh cool, updated Qt packages
[01:34]  * JontheEchidna nabs
[01:35]  * JontheEchidna whaps us.archive
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> dont use the main mirror.... its always so sloooowww.
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> I'm getting fast speeds, just sometimes it doesn't connect or takes a really long time to connect to
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done
[11:31] <Riddell> thanks
[11:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you fancy lifting the build priority of qimageblitz, akonadi and soprano too that would be lovely
[11:33]  * Hobbsee flicks a few switches
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: done
[11:36] <Riddell> super
[12:09] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[12:11] <Riddell> hi dinosaur-rus, looks like fabo made that change to qt docs that you suggested
[12:18] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: did he put his packages into the repository? I have qt4-doc 4.4.0-1ubuntu3~hardy1, but HTMLs are still there
[12:18] <dinosaur-rus> and does anyone know why in KDE 4 interface (except Plasma) fonts are bigger than they should be? I configured everything (KDE 3, KDE 4, Qt 4) to use 8pt font. when I'm in KDE 3, everything's OK (in both KDE 3 and Qt 4 apps), but when I'm in KDE 4 they seem to be somewhere 1-2pt bigger...
[12:19] <Riddell> dinosaur-rus: not yet no
[12:23] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: ok. any ideas on that font size thing?
[12:25] <Riddell> nope
[12:26] <dinosaur-rus> Riddell: do you have the same problem or you don't use KDE 3 anymore? :)
[12:26] <Riddell> right now I'm between KDEs :)
[12:27] <dinosaur-rus> :)
[12:38] <dinosaur-rus> oh that buggy KDE 4... :P
[12:40] <smarter> dinosaur-rus: maybe you've forced the DPI value in KDE3 or 4?
[12:42] <dinosaur-rus> smarter: no. but it seems that forcing KDE 4 to use 96 DPI value solves the problem...
[13:39] <dinosaur-rus> oops, libqt4-opengl-dev package is not installable
[14:19] <Nightrose> Riddell or anyone else who has time: still getting errors when building kdenetwork to fix the kopete bug - this is what i got so far: http://www.lydiapintscher.de/tmp/kopete/
[14:19] <Nightrose> seems to be missing build dependencies
[14:20] <Nightrose> I could go on adding them but it looks like another package is missing dependencies - Harald thinks it is libqt4-dev
[14:20] <Nightrose> can someone enlighten me please? ;-)
[14:33] <Czessi> Nightrose: it seems to be missing libice-dev, but when you add this libary your debian/control you will get the next error. you must add libxrender-dev, libice-dev, libxft-dev, libxcursor-dev, libsm-dev and libpng12-dev, then kdenetwork builds. i think there is an issue in a kde or qt dev package with the depends
[14:35] <Nightrose> ok added and rebuilding now
[15:38] <fabo> Nightrose: libqt4-dev dependencies have been cleaned up in Qt4.4.0~rc1. This isn't an issue but an intended behaviour.
[15:39] <Nightrose> I see
[15:39] <Nightrose> thx fabo
[15:39] <fabo> and in Qt4.4.0, libqt4-opengl-dev was introduced ;)
[15:39] <Nightrose> will clean up then and upload debdiff
[15:40] <fabo> so packages that need libqt4-opengl, need to add build-dep on it
[15:41] <fabo> kdebase-workspace so far
[17:16] <nixternal> Riddell: guidance needs some documentation that's for sure...whether a man page of a decent readme is needed instead of full documentation
[17:16]  * nixternal goes back to hanging out with the family somewhere on the southside of chicago
[17:50] <apachelogger> hum
[17:51] <apachelogger> everything goes wocka nowadays
[17:51] <apachelogger> why got qt 4.4 backported?
[17:51] <apachelogger> why is kdebase-workspace in the main pocket of hardy-backports?
[17:52] <apachelogger> why is my kdm wallpaper not rendering?
[17:52] <apachelogger> why is my print dialog not printing?
[17:52] <apachelogger> why is my systray not updating?
[17:52] <apachelogger> really
[17:52] <apachelogger> for post-release updates that's too much borkage IMHO
[19:52] <Chusslove> _Sime_: ping
[20:21] <genii> During ./configure of this app here http://lapsus.berlios.de/ I'm getting "Can't find X libraries." libx11-dev is installed, as are xlibs-static-dev, kde4-devel kdelibs5-dev
[20:27] <jdavies> genii: tried: ./configure --prefix=/usr ?
[20:28] <genii> jdavies: Not yet. 1 minute, I'll give it a try
[20:29] <jdavies> genii: it may just be having trouble finding the headers
[20:29] <genii> Same message.
[20:30] <genii> Maybe I ned to specify libdir
[20:32] <smarter_> genii: grep for your error message in the configure script (or the config.log if there's one) and try to find which header it's looking for
[20:40] <genii> OK, it's looking for kde_x_libraries set to YES or NO which earlier is set by if test "{$x_libraries+set}" = set || test "$x_libraries" = NONE; then   sets kde_x_libraries to value of x_libraries or to NO which is the case here
[20:41] <genii> Not to YES or NO rather, but to x_libaries or NO
[20:41] <fdoving> what file does it look for exactly?
[20:41] <fdoving> you can get xorg-dev - but that's the whole bunch.
[20:41] <fdoving> org xserver-xorg-dev - which is slilgtly less.
[20:42] <Serega> when can I dist-upgrade to intrepid and start to use KDE4.1?
[20:43] <fdoving> if this is for a package, you should try to figure out which packages is needed, and depend on only those, if it's just for compiling for yourself getthing the whole bunch probably won't hurt that much.
[20:43] <genii> fdoving: Guess I'll get the bunch
[21:13] <genii> Heh, passes that now but onto missing QT stuff now....
[21:40] <fdoving> genii: qt3?
[21:40] <fdoving> genii: libqt3-mt-dev
[21:41] <genii> fdoving: Yeah, past that, then the KDE headers, passed that. Got it to compile finally
[21:41] <fdoving> great :)
[21:47] <genii> Bah. Now I need to figure out how to make it into a plasmoid
[21:47]  * genii puts on more coffee