[12:14] <david_corrales_> anyone :)?
[12:15] <crimsun> ask in #ubuntu-doc
[12:17] <david_corrales_> okies, thanks
[01:07] <LaserJock> keescook: you still around?
[01:07] <keescook> LaserJock: yup!
[01:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: when's your next superstar session?
[01:07] <keescook> what's up?
[01:07] <ajmitch> hey keescook
[01:07] <keescook> hiya ajmitch!
[01:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: umm, Thursday
[01:08] <LaserJock> keescook: I was just looking at your sbuild/LVM scripty thingy
[01:08] <LaserJock> I don't really know much about LVM
[01:09] <LaserJock> could I set up partitions as normal and leave some free space to use as LVM for this sort of thing?
[01:09] <ajmitch> LVM is great
[01:09] <ajmitch> you can use loopback files as LVM physical volumes
[01:09] <keescook> LaserJock: absolutely.  that's what I did on my laptop for UDS
[01:09] <LaserJock> I tried LVM'ing my whole machine and since then everything
[01:09] <LaserJock> has been a little messy
[01:10] <keescook> LaserJock: heh.  I use LVM for all my partitions, but it can get a little messy.  It's taken me a number of years to really be comfortable with a root lvm partition.
[01:11] <keescook> but if you have a spare drive (or as ajmitch suggests: just a loopback), it's great fun
[01:11] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I heard the dailys start to build tomorrow. Is that right?
[01:11] <LaserJock> the other question I had was how clean is using sbuild this way
[01:11] <LaserJock> _MMA_: have no idea
[01:11] <_MMA_> k
[01:12] <keescook> LaserJock: what do you mean by "clean"?
[01:12] <LaserJock> well, with pbuilder you get a clean environment each time
[01:12] <LaserJock> because it just unpacks the tarball again
[01:12] <keescook> LaserJock: ah.  yeah, you get a clean environment every time, but without any overhead of unpacking a tarball.
[01:12] <LaserJock> is it similar with using the LVM snapshot
[01:13] <keescook> right, except to create and delete a snapshot takes <1s
[01:13] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Looks like the 30th. I think. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule Just a FYI.
[01:14] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yeah, that's the first Herd
[01:14] <gnomefreak> _MMA_: thats when the first alpha is released not when the first image will be set up
[01:14] <LaserJock> but it's more or less the same thing
[01:14] <_MMA_> gnomefreak: Ahh... Ok. :)
[01:15] <gnomefreak> LaserJock: i know in past we had images well before first alpha
[01:17] <LaserJock> hmm, so maybe tonight I'll wipe my desktop at home
[01:17] <LaserJock> and try to put fedora and edgy on it with lots of extra space to play with LVM
[01:18] <LaserJock> I think fedora's installer uses LVM
[01:19] <keescook> LaserJock: sweet.  If you use the alternate CD, you can build LVM partitions during install
[01:19] <LaserJock> yeah, but I'm pretty likely to screw everything up
[01:19] <LaserJock> last time I tried that I ended up with an unbootable system
[01:19] <keescook> I tend to always have a pair of drives in my desktop.  then I install with alternate, making 2 partitions on each drive, both software raid'd, putting /boot on md0 and LVM on md1.  :)
[01:20] <keescook> LaserJock: heh.  if you've got a few hours, give it a shot.  :)
[01:20] <keescook> otherwise, just leave lots of space left over for LVM.  that works just as well
[01:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I have a 120GB drive
[01:21] <LaserJock> and I usually only use ~30GB of it
[01:21] <LaserJock> anybody done LVM with fedora's installer?
[01:21] <LaserJock> I was thinking maybe it might be easier
[01:24] <ajmitch> yes, that's why I've always used the alternate CD for real installs on my systems :)
[01:24] <LaserJock> yeah, I made that mistake once
[01:24] <LaserJock> had to burn another whole .iso ;-)
[01:24] <LaserJock> good thing there's only 1 CD
[01:39] <CypherBIOS> Hi guys. I'm packaging an application for Ubuntu and I wold like contribute with motu-team, I've packaged already and followed the debian-policy, etc. And at this time I'm here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[01:40] <CypherBIOS> Who can import my GPGKey for REVU keyring?
[01:40] <Adri2000> hi CypherBIOS
[01:40] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: hi :)
[01:40] <Adri2000> try with ajmitch
[01:40] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: tnx :)
[01:41] <CypherBIOS> ajmitch: can you help me?
[01:42] <CypherBIOS> ajmitch: ok, you're away. I'll send a email for you.
[01:49] <joejaxx> anyone know what Ubuntu release used the 2.4 kernel?
[01:52] <crimsun> joejaxx: we've never used a 2.4 kernel.
[01:53] <crimsun> Warty, the first one (4.10), used <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:53] <joejaxx> hmm
[01:54] <joejaxx> i wonder how ubuntu whould run on a 2.4 kernel
[01:54] <joejaxx> well it is not like it whould matter
[01:54] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: I've sent a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requesting the key import, are this correct?!
[01:54] <joejaxx> i do not need xserver
[01:54] <joejaxx> or any other ram/resource hogging nonsense
[01:54] <crimsun> well, you'll have to fight the deps
[01:54] <Adri2000> CypherBIOS: yes, according to the wiki :)
[01:55] <crimsun> we've already ripped out all the modutils deps, which you'd need for 2.4
[01:55] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: can I do something else for now?
[01:55] <Adri2000> CypherBIOS: if your package is finished, just wait
[01:55] <joejaxx> crimsun: :\
[01:55] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: yep, my package are ready to review ;)
[01:56] <CypherBIOS> Adri2000: tnx, I'll still waiting :)
[02:05] <crimsun> keescook: RE: 73603, Ive already uploaded a tested debdiff to security-review
[02:06] <keescook> crimsun: oh! great!
[02:06] <crimsun> I uploaded it before that bug was even filed, heh
[02:06] <joejaxx> crimsun: oh alright i guess i will just use the 2.6 patches then
[02:07] <keescook> crimsun: did you do all releases or edgy only?
[02:07] <crimsun> only edgy, because that's standard forhow I've done it in the paste
[02:07] <keescook> crimsun: yup, me too.  cool.  :)
[02:07] <crimsun> (I upload one, get pitti to approve it, then continue the backports)
[02:08] <crimsun> err, past
[02:08] <crimsun> this lag is horrible
[02:09] <keescook> crimsun: so, silly me, where is security-review?  :P
[02:10] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/2006-November/thread.html
[02:10] <keescook> *rofl*  that's probably a list I should be on.  Oops.
[02:12] <ajmitch> keescook: you're not on it? oh dear...
[02:12] <keescook> pitti never mentioned it :)  I'm on so many others...
[02:13] <ajmitch> one more won't hurt
[02:13] <ajmitch> much
[02:13] <crimsun> I'm pretty sure it's only used for universe
[02:14] <ajmitch> too public otherwise
[02:18] <keescook> crimsun: debdiff looks good.   I'm full of mistakes =]
[02:22] <keescook> I think proftpd takes longer to run configure than to actually do the compiley bits.  :P
[02:23] <crimsun> It took about as long to compile here as it took to resolve the dependencie;)
[02:23] <keescook> hehe
[02:26] <crimsun> 'lo bdd
[02:26] <keescook> crimsun: thanks for getting that ready; I've got it uploaded.  I'll get it published once it's built.  :)
[02:26] <crimsun> ok, I give up on theis wifi connection
[02:26] <crimsun> keescook: thanks
[02:26] <bddebian> crimsun: Hi
[02:43] <imbrandon> wow i realy got ot get used to these diffrent hours
[02:43] <imbrandon> ello all
[02:43] <keescook> hiya imbrandon
[02:43] <imbrandon> heya keescook
[02:43] <imbrandon> you by chance cant reject a few things for me can you ( from the NEW queue )
[02:43] <imbrandon> keescook, ^
[02:43] <keescook> okay, my brain is failing... how do I create an "Affects Ubuntu Edgy" bug task??
[02:44] <keescook> imbrandon: I can't sorry, I don't have any queue abilities.  :(
[02:44] <imbrandon> np, i dident think so , but i thought i would try
[02:44] <imbrandon> umm you ..... lemme get the link
[02:44] <keescook> I've tried both Upstream... and Distribution... and neither actually gets me what I want.  :P
[02:45] <imbrandon> no you have to file it a diffrent way iirc
[02:45] <Hobbsee> keescook: request a backport for it, iirc
[02:45] <fernando> hi all
[02:45] <keescook> I'm trying to create an Edgy task for bug 73603 (so I can close it...)
[02:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73603 in proftpd-dfsg "remote code execution in ProFTPD" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73603
[02:45] <imbrandon> hello fernando
[02:46] <keescook> Hobbsee: I want edgy-backports?
[02:46] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon
[02:46] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i would think so.  imbrandon seems to know though
[02:47] <imbrandon> keescook, yea edgy-backports
[02:47] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[02:48] <keescook> imbrandon: ah-ha.  okay.  thanks!
[02:49] <keescook> imbrandon: that didn't seem to work...
[02:49] <imbrandon> what are you wanting to do exactly, sorry came in late in the covo
[02:49] <imbrandon> i just seen sarah say you wanted a backport
[02:50] <keescook> imbrandon: for that bug, I want a bug task that says   proftpd (Ubuntu Edgy)
[02:51] <imbrandon> ohhh , i think you have to file the bug that way initialy , at this point i think the best thing is just to get a debdiff and put it through the sru/security process
[02:51] <imbrandon> but for a bug that effects only one distro release i think you have to make it that way from the get go ( yea it sucks )
[02:51] <imbrandon> thats why its not used much
[02:51] <imbrandon> hrm *thinks*
[02:52] <ajmitch> more malone features
[02:52] <imbrandon> yea wonderfull malone
[02:52] <keescook> imbrandon: I've already put the security patch through (crimsun made it, I've uploaded it)  I just want to have a "closed" edgy task for it, leaving it open for Feisty.  :P
[02:53] <ajmitch> maybe you can do it via email :)
[02:53] <imbrandon> ahh , afaik thats not possible ( or i dunno how ) without 2 bugs
[02:53] <ajmitch> wow, mail on the security-review list
[02:53] <ajmitch> first message for 2 months
[02:54] <imbrandon> keescook, yea it really needs to be works on, malone really the way its setup only supports a "bug" if its fixed or not, not really if its fixed in one but not in another
[02:54] <imbrandon> etc
[02:54] <imbrandon> well it does but it dont work exactly great and not the way you would think ( like in this case )
[02:55] <keescook> check out bug 47619.  it has both (Ubuntu) and (Ubuntu Dapper).  That's what I can't figure out how to do.  :(
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47619 in nautilus "nautilus sometimes crashes when opening new window" [Unknown,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47619
[02:55] <imbrandon> .... "in one but not another" ... == ..."in one release but not another" ....
[02:56] <imbrandon> keescook, right but it was filed with the dapper one first and the other was added, noth the reverse
[02:56] <lastnode> Fujitsu, ping
[02:56] <imbrandon> s/noth/not
[02:56] <keescook> imbrandon: aaah.  i see
[02:56] <imbrandon> wich sucks in a case like this
[02:58] <imbrandon> keescook, at leaste thats how its been explained to me , it all is kinda hazy
[02:58] <imbrandon> lol
[02:59] <imbrandon> keescook, !!!!!!!!!!!!! ahhh i found it /i think/
[02:59] <imbrandon> one sec
[03:00] <imbrandon> woot, i did, now look at your bug ( its a mess but look heheh )
[03:00] <imbrandon> that button needs relabled badly, because it dosent do what it says
[03:00] <imbrandon> ( FYI to get that you click on "backport to release" on the left and then choose an older release, then you can mark closed )
[03:01] <crimsun> that's even worse than its previous sequence
[03:01] <imbrandon> but backport is the wrong word as -backports are filed diffrently
[03:01] <imbrandon> crimsun, yea
[03:01] <crimsun> it used to be under Also affects Distribution
[03:02] <imbrandon> proftpd-dfsg (Ubuntu Edgy)   	Fix Released  	Undecided
[03:02] <imbrandon> markd for ya
[03:02] <imbrandon> the rest i left as is
[03:02] <crimsun> Fix Committed, please
[03:02] <imbrandon> ok
[03:02] <imbrandon> changed
[03:02] <crimsun> danke
[03:02] <imbrandon> yw
[03:02] <ajmitch> how evil
[03:02] <keescook> imbrandon: sweet!
[03:02] <imbrandon> yea , we need to poke the LP guys about that, thats really really not intuitive
[03:03] <imbrandon> ajmitch, exactly
[03:03] <imbrandon> it really should be under effects distro like crimsun said imho
[03:04] <imbrandon> affects*
[03:05] <imbrandon> keescook, does this affect dapper ?
[03:06] <keescook> imbrandon: probably, but universe security updates tend to only go into the current stable
[03:06] <keescook> I'm happy to publish stuff that people prepare though.  :)
[03:06] <imbrandon> dapper == 5 year stable hehehe
[03:06] <imbrandon> ( server )
[03:06] <imbrandon> proftpd would fall under server imho hehe
[03:07] <crimsun> I'm looking at dapper's source package
[03:07] <imbrandon> if there is a patch i'm happy to prepare the same debdiff, although crimsun might already have thought of that
[03:07] <keescook> if you want, snag the debdiff crimsun used and see if it applies cleanly, build it and test it, and I'll upload it.  :)
[03:07] <imbrandon> right on
[03:07] <crimsun> it doesn't, there are differences
[03:07] <imbrandon> looks like crimsun is on it
[03:07] <crimsun> (I always address Dapper first)
[03:07] <jdong> crimsun: can you help me fix a quick bug?
[03:07] <imbrandon> jdong, did you see my note on lp
[03:07] <keescook> okay... I'm outta here.  thanks everyone!
[03:07] <jdong> imbrandon: which note?
[03:08] <crimsun> thanks, keescook!
[03:08] <imbrandon> bug 73603
[03:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73603 in proftpd-dfsg "remote code execution in ProFTPD" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73603
[03:08] <imbrandon> thanks keescook
[03:08] <imbrandon> :)
[03:08] <jdong> meanwhile, anyone feel like fixing an xchat-gnome trivial bug for me?]
[03:08] <jdong> 000003c0  2d 64 65 76 20 28 3e 3d  09 32 2e 31 36 2e 30 29  |-dev (>=.2.16.0)|
[03:08] <jdong> libgnome2-dev
[03:08] <crimsun> yes, dapper-backports is affected.
[03:09] <jdong> that is not a space after >=, that is a tabstop
[03:09] <jdong> which causes pbuilder to error out
[03:09] <jdong> can someone change that to a space and upload?
[03:09] <imbrandon> jdong, its in libgnome2-dev ?
[03:09] <jdong> imbrandon: that is correct
[03:10] <jdong> that's xchat-gnome, where libgnome2-dev is, on the build-dep line
[03:10] <imbrandon> crimsun, ahh but shouldent -security over power ( better word? ) -backports
[03:10] <imbrandon> jdong, what? ok, what source package do i need to grab ?
[03:10] <jdong> imbrandon: not if backports has a newer version.... security version bumps are usually very miniscule... :-/
[03:10] <jdong> imbrandon: xchat-gnome
[03:10] <imbrandon> ok
[03:10] <StevenK> imbrandon: s/over power/trump/
[03:11] <imbrandon> StevenK, yea :)
[03:11] <jdong> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0), gnome-pkg-tools, autotools-dev, cdbs, libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.12), libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.10), libgnome2-dev (>= 2.16.0),
[03:11] <crimsun> what's wrong with xchat-gnome's debian/control.in?
[03:11] <jdong> the space after "libgnome2-dev (>=" is actually a tab, hexdump says :)
[03:11] <jdong> crimsun: there's a tab instead of a space
[03:12] <StevenK> jdong: cat -A ?
[03:12] <jdong> StevenK: thanks :)
[03:12] <jdong>  libgnome2-dev (>=^I2.16.0),
[03:12] <StevenK> I daresay, pbuilder should just cope.
[03:13] <jdong> well, it doesn't
[03:13] <imbrandon> hrm looking at it its definately a space ......
[03:13] <crimsun> no, it's definitely a tab
[03:13] <jdong> imbrandon: no it's not :)
[03:13] <imbrandon> *puzzled*
[03:13] <imbrandon> hrm
[03:13] <jdong> imbrandon: cat -A, or hexdump it
[03:13] <imbrandon> ok
[03:13] <crimsun> (use -T, or -A for great justice)
[03:13] <jdong> that's gotta be the most interesting bug I've encountered :)
[03:14] <crimsun> that's arguably a bug in pbuilder, as StevenK says
[03:14] <jdong> lol :)
[03:14] <crimsun> debian/control* are fine
[03:14] <imbrandon> soooo should i "fix" this in xchat-gnome or ?
[03:14] <jdong> crimsun: well I guess a tab should be an acceptable whitespace character
[03:14] <StevenK> If dpkg-gencontrol can cope, then pbuilder ought to.
[03:14] <jdong> imbrandon: please fix it in xchat-gnome.... :-/
[03:14] <jdong> for the sake of consistency
[03:15] <crimsun> it's not an xchat-gnome bug, seriously
[03:15] <jdong> you don't see anyone else using tabs instead of space in debian/control... :d
[03:15] <StevenK> jdong: Don't make me log into merkel.debian.org and check the Debian archive.
[03:15] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:15] <jdong> urr, alright.... should I file this as a pbuilder bug then?!?
[03:16] <jdong> (so I was bored and I replaced all the spaces with tabs in debian/control, and now the package won't build....)
[03:16] <imbrandon> ok i'll uplaod the "fix" for xchat-gnome , if you promis to file a pbuilder bug in debian BTS
[03:16] <StevenK> My opinion is a bug on pbuilder should be filed, and the problem worked around in xchat-gnome.
[03:16] <imbrandon> jdong, ^^
[03:16] <jdong> imbrandon: ok, deal :d
[03:16] <jdong> imbrandon: and with proftpd, dapper-backports is affected
[03:16] <jdong> imbrandon: dapper-backports has a backported proftpd from edgy
[03:17] <imbrandon> jdong, yea crimsun told me, it should still be uploaded to -security imho but thats upto yall
[03:17] <jdong> mmm, ok
[03:17] <jdong> well, if it can be worked out with security team to upload a version that overrides -backports, I'm ok with that
[03:17] <Lathiat> imbrandon: to dapper-security?
[03:17] <imbrandon> Lathiat, yes
[03:17] <Lathiat> thats bogus else it'l upgrades everyones proftpd that dont want backports?
[03:18] <imbrandon> Lathiat, e.g that would require the one in dapper proper to be patched and the one in -backports to get rebackported from edgy-security
[03:18] <Lathiat> oh right
[03:18] <Lathiat> that makes senes
[03:19] <Lathiat> i thought you meant put the edgy version in dapper-security
[03:19] <imbrandon> no :)
[03:19] <crimsun> yeah, we could all go for some feisty beryl in breezy-security
[03:19] <imbrandon> hahaha
[03:20] <imbrandon> oh wtf, ok jdong this might take a bit longer than i thought
[03:21] <jdong> what happened?
[03:21] <imbrandon> one sec, i'm checking on another box if it is my booboo or the package has more issues than just that
[03:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: woo,
[03:23] <crimsun> oh very nice. quodlibet just exploded to demonstrate what it thought of my beryl statement.
[03:24] <jdong> LOL
[03:24] <imbrandon> ok jdong , uploaded ( it was my booboo )
[03:24] <imbrandon> xchat-gnome (1:0.15-0ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low
[03:24] <imbrandon>   * fixed a tab vs whitespace typo in debian/control to please pbuilder
[03:25] <jdong> imbrandon: many thanks
[03:25] <imbrandon> np, now you have to file the pbuilder bug in Debian BTS ( lots o luck :P )
[03:25] <crimsun> skimming the bugs against it on BTS make me think it's full o' blackmagick
[03:26] <imbrandon> heh
[03:26] <jdong> imbrandon: just did... I think at least
[03:26] <imbrandon> yea their BTS is slowish, it takes a while to showup when you send a mail
[03:27] <jdong> ok
[03:27] <jdong> well at the same time I guess I'll play with pbuilder-satisfydepends and see if I can come up with a fix....
[03:27] <jdong> or maybe I should finish this project with a thursday deadline...
[03:27] <imbrandon> btw does anyone know if we're gonna import iceweazle to universe from debian ?
[03:28] <imbrandon> jdong, would be super cool once you get a debian BTS # you file a LP bug with the upstream bug voodoo stuff
[03:28] <jdong> imbrandon: will do :)
[03:29] <imbrandon> so we know too :)
[03:29] <jdong> oh crap! forgot to enable extra swap
[03:29] <jdong> whew, got it
[03:29] <jdong> stupid tmpfs :)
[03:29] <crimsun> imbrandon: meaning 'iceweasel'? I'd be very, very sad if so.
[03:30] <imbrandon> yea thats what i ment, and i just mean for uni , not main
[03:30] <crimsun> I mean, I just created an mplayerplug-in delta just to s/iceweasel/firefox/
[03:30] <imbrandon> yea , i think it would be alot of harm
[03:30] <imbrandon> imho
[03:30] <imbrandon> but i was curious
[03:31] <imbrandon> ( kinda trying to catch up since this week with the new job trying to adjust to my hours, i'm not as "filled in" heheh )
[03:32] <imbrandon> gah i need to find my win98 cd to make a vm, brb
[03:35] <crimsun> you get an iceweasel and a firefox
[03:35] <minghua> that's assuming no file conflicts
[03:36] <crimsun> it makes foo/debian/*.links lots of fun!
[03:36] <minghua> otherwise I get an iceweasel and half a firefox or something
[03:37] <minghua> and I can imagine the agony of plugin maintainers (a.k.a. crimsun :-)
[03:38] <imbrandon> hrm can i make an iso ( useable ) "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/blah/some.iso" ?
[03:38] <imbrandon> or is there a batter way
[03:38] <imbrandon> better*
[03:40] <StevenK> imbrandon: That's simple, and should work fine
[03:40] <imbrandon> kk
[03:40] <imbrandon> thanks
[03:40] <jdong> btw, can xchat 2.6.8 be synced from debian sid?
[03:41] <jdong> closes bug 57951
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57951
[03:41] <Hobbsee> !info xchat feisty
[03:41] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[03:41] <Hobbsee> jdong: it needs to be merged, most likely
[03:41] <jdong> Hobbsee: mmm, I see
[03:41] <imbrandon> http://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xchat/REPORT
[03:42] <jdong> bleh
[03:54] <lastnode> imbrandon, seen Fujitsu around? he's been missing for a few days
[03:55] <crimsun> eh? He last spoke about 16 hours ago.
[03:58] <lastnode> oh, i just keep missing him then
[03:58] <lastnode> meh
[04:18] <jdong> imbrandon: waah, how do I link a debbug in launchpad
[04:18] <jdong> it doesn't seem to accept http://bugs.debian.org/400848
[04:18] <jdong> as an upstream tracker URL
[04:18] <Burgundavia> just enter the bug number
[04:18] <jdong> oh
[04:19] <jdong> Burgundavia: it still hates me
[04:19] <jdong> LP doesn't know what kind of bug tracker....
[04:19] <Burgundavia> bug #?
[04:19] <jdong> debian bug 400848
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 400848 in pbuilder "pbuilder-satisfydepends chokes on tab characters" [Unknown,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/400848
[04:19] <Hobbsee> tell it which type of bug tracker
[04:20] <Burgundavia> no, LP bug number
[04:20] <jdong> oh bug 73688
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73688 in pbuilder "pbuilder-satisfydepends can't cope with tab characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73688
[04:21] <jdong> maybe I'm just retarded and am missing an obvious button to do this
[04:21] <Burgundavia> see the "also affects"?
[04:21] <Burgundavia> choose distro task
[04:21] <Burgundavia> hmm
[04:21] <jdong> Burgundavia: that's what I did
[04:22] <jdong> and it doesn't take any of the obvious formats I could think of
[04:22] <Burgundavia> then add no bug url
[04:22] <Burgundavia> then click on it and enter in the bug number
[04:22] <jdong> oh I can do that?
[04:22] <Burgundavia> yes, that is a bug in LP
[04:22] <Burgundavia> pleae file it
[04:23] <jdong> Burgundavia: ok, will do
[04:26] <jdong> foled; bug 73689
[04:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73689 in launchpad "Malone doesn't take Debian bug tracker URL's" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73689
[04:48] <Burgundavia> ok, compiz sucks
[04:49] <ajmitch> news at 11
[04:49] <ajmitch> what does it suck with this time?
[04:50] <Burgundavia> I am attempting to drown compiz in bugs, to prevent it from being included by default
[04:50] <Burgundavia> care to join me?
[04:50] <ajmitch> you'd prefer beryl then?>
[04:50] <Burgundavia> no, I will do the same with beryl, if and when it gets packaged
[04:51] <Burgundavia> I am basically going to dunc-bank AcceleratedX and CompositeByDefault
[04:55] <Burgundavia> 5 bugs reported alraedy
[04:55] <ajmitch> upstream or on launchpad?
[04:56] <ajmitch> workspaces is obvious - it's an upstream feature
[04:56] <ajmitch> lost window borders is probably your xorg configuration
[04:57] <Burgundavia> LP
[04:57] <Burgundavia> I am filing bugs if it works in Metacity and doesn't in compiz
[04:57] <Burgundavia> very simple
[04:57] <Burgundavia> no effects turned on, merely compiz instead of metacity
[04:57] <ajmitch> no matter if the bugreports are useful & have enough information or not
[04:57] <Burgundavia> don't much care
[04:58] <ajmitch> hi lastnode
[04:58] <ajmitch> sigh
[04:58] <ajmitch> hi LaserJock
[04:58] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[04:58] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia
[04:58] <LaserJock> and good luck ;-)
[04:58] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I am looking at quite simply. If you want to swap out compiz for metacity, it has better work
[04:58] <ajmitch> with?
[04:58] <Burgundavia> sorry, yes
[04:59] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: I'm looking at it from a POV of having 20K open bugs already
[04:59] <Burgundavia> I realize that
[04:59] <ajmitch> if you don't want to provide the info, I'll reject
[04:59] <Burgundavia> I will happily provide the info
[05:00] <LaserJock> is the idea really to replace metacity with beryl/compiz as the default WM?
[05:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: that is what has been discussed
[05:00] <ajmitch> undecided as yet
[05:00] <ajmitch> I'm happy enough with metacity
[05:00] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yes, provided compiz or beryl are good enough
[05:00] <LaserJock> I just thought it was an add-on bling layer
[05:01] <Burgundavia> hence my project of drowning compiz in bug reports
[05:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: spec is named composite-by-default
[05:01] <Burgundavia> and you cannot have composite without a compositing wm
[05:01] <theCore> Burgundavia, uh? drowning compiz in bug report????
[05:02] <LaserJock> I thought metacity could do compositing
[05:02] <Burgundavia> badly
[05:02] <Burgundavia> theCore: if compiz is not technically good enough, then it will not be used by default
[05:02] <LaserJock> what about kwin?
[05:02] <ajmitch> they've pretty much given up on metacity as compositing manager
[05:02] <LaserJock> or is that still what they call it
[05:02] <theCore> Burgundavia, ah, well
[05:02] <Burgundavia> part of "good enough" == respecting metacity's settings
[05:02] <ajmitch> which is a definite goal of compiz at least
[05:03] <Burgundavia> next I am going to download a crapload of themes and find some that break
[05:03] <ajmitch> the decision will be made around feature freeze
[05:03] <LaserJock> but it doesn't even look like a WM?!?
[05:03] <LaserJock> I'm really suprised
[05:03] <Burgundavia> and here is the fun part: if compiz or beryl are not up to snuff, there is no reason to install nvidia drivers by default
[05:03] <Burgundavia> hence no binary drivers
[05:04] <Burgundavia> I intend to blog this plan later int he week
[05:04] <theCore> ah, now I understand your evil plans :)
[05:04] <Burgundavia> if I have to be evil to save do good, I will
[05:04] <LaserJock> what about ATI in all of this
[05:05] <Burgundavia> ati drivers don't work with aiglx
[05:05] <LaserJock> I thought ATI did compositing too
[05:05] <theCore> I could probably help you with that :D
[05:05] <theCore> LaserJock, only with Xgl
[05:05] <LaserJock> :(
[05:05] <Burgundavia> I cannot decide whether to tell people to duplicate bug reports to be annoying, or is that too evil?
[05:05] <LaserJock> I swear I did it without Xgl
[05:06] <LaserJock> does the opensource ATI driver do it?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> yes, they do
[05:06] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: that's a big headache, it'd be better to say "add a comment if you agree"
[05:06] <Burgundavia> all open source drivers work with compiz
[05:06] <imbrandon> ati works just fine with aiglx if you use the opensource driver
[05:06] <theCore> Burgundavia, here one bug for Beryl: go in Advanced Settings -> Force Xgl
[05:06] <theCore> Burgundavia, very evil bug
[05:07] <theCore> Burgundavia, it kills the desktop
[05:07] <Burgundavia> only file on the packages in the repos
[05:07] <LaserJock> imbrandon: ok, that must be what I did
[05:07] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ATI drivers are currently the worst of the lot
[05:07] <Burgundavia> is your card a r300 or earlier?
[05:07] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nothing, its all on by default with the ati driver, just use start compiz or beryl
[05:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: with regards to your hatred of binary drivers which I somewhat share, I've started helping out the nouveau project
[05:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I love you
[05:08] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: got a dvd in the wishlist?
[05:08] <ajmitch> nope
[05:08] <LaserJock> I have an x1600 ATI card
[05:08] <ajmitch> I've only had 1 very very minor patch so far
[05:08] <lastnode> hi ajmitch, sup
[05:08] <LaserJock> anyway, all I know is I got the silly wobbly windows without Xgl
[05:08] <Burgundavia> think of a dvd and I will get you it
[05:09] <Burgundavia> wierd
[05:09] <Burgundavia> x1600 don't even have free 2d drivesr
[05:10] <ajmitch> only because ati/amd have been stalling
[05:10] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:10] <LaserJock> yep
[05:10] <ajmitch> and not letting dave airlie release the code he wrote
[05:10] <Burgundavia> airlie has code?
[05:10] <LaserJock> oh wait, I got the wobbly windows on my laptop
[05:10] <LaserJock> that's an ATI 7000 IGP
[05:11] <Burgundavia> which is the r300 driver
[05:11] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I need a good automated way of stress testing a wm
[05:11] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: http://airlied.livejournal.com/31180.html
[05:11] <LaserJock> I *have* to use the binary-only driver on the x1600
[05:11] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: see date, subtract 4 months
[05:12] <ajmitch> so it's march or so that he wrote code
[05:12] <ajmitch> I don't know how to stress test a WM
[05:12] <Burgundavia> would creating lots of windows and then moving them around, resizing them, etc. do it?
[05:12] <ajmitch> maybe
[05:12] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:13] <ajmitch> it's al lthe little things like compatibilty with old apps that new WMs suck on
[05:13] <ajmitch> focus stealing prevention, etc
[05:13] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:13] <ajmitch> writing a basic WM is easy
[05:13] <ajmitch> writing a good one is hard
[05:13] <lastnode> one problem i had with compiz was that it would open windows under my top gnome panel
[05:13] <Burgundavia> jdub commented on not throwing out 10 years of code
[05:13] <lastnode> which was annoying
[05:14] <Burgundavia> however, it appears that distros havfe decided to do exactly that
[05:14] <Burgundavia> so far the only effect that is at all interesting is the menu popups and they are slow enough to annoy me, while being only marginally more pretty
[05:15] <ajmitch> agreed
[05:15] <ajmitch> the delay is usually enough to be annoying
[05:15] <Burgundavia> so I need to dig out some old, frequently used apps
[05:15] <lastnode> Burgundavia, you can disable that effect, i did.
[05:15] <Burgundavia> plus the fadin means you get a jumble of letters for a second, as they overlay what ever is there
[05:16] <Burgundavia> lastnode: I am filing bugs on the pure stock default
[05:16] <lastnode> while it's fading in, if you click, you lose the menu
[05:16] <lastnode> it's _really_ annoying at 3am when you're trying to shutdown :\
[05:17] <Burgundavia> my test audience is my father and step mother, neither of whom could give a toss about fancy effects
[05:17] <Burgundavia> which means they are going to get eh pure default
[05:17] <Burgundavia> and I can tell you that this sliding thing on workspace change is already driving me nuts
[05:19] <Burgundavia> 8 bug reports
[05:21] <lastnode> Burgundavia, got a sec for a /query?
[05:21] <theCore> Burgundavia, are you testing everything with the feisty packages?
[05:22] <Burgundavia> when you switch workspaces in metacity, it remembers the default active window, correct?
[05:22] <ajmitch> I think so
[05:23] <Burgundavia> yes, compiz is odd
[05:23] <Burgundavia> if I switch to the active window on 3, the windows on 2 and 4 will be unselected
[05:23] <Burgundavia> if I select it on 4, the window on 3 will become unfocused, etc.
[05:25] <Burgundavia> lastnode: yep
[05:25] <Burgundavia> theCore: pure default feisty
[05:25] <theCore> I think that one more bug...
[05:26] <theCore> Burgundavia, crashed?
[05:26] <StevenK> Or hung with a zap?
[05:27] <StevenK> This is what you get for running a graphical IRC client. :-P
[05:27] <Burgundavia> no, nasty bug
[05:27] <Burgundavia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/73701
[05:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73701 in compiz "Oddity with remembering default active window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:28] <Burgundavia> read the 2nd comment
[05:28] <Burgundavia> that was what just bit me
[05:29] <theCore> ah, I see
[05:29] <Burgundavia> right, I see now
[05:29] <Burgundavia> it is because compiz has no workspaces, only views
[05:30] <Burgundavia> if a window pokes into two "workspaces", it is still considered active
[05:30] <LaserJock> yes, isn't that a "feature" or something
[05:30] <Burgundavia> yes, except it is utterly different than metacity and does not appear to be any better
[05:31] <theCore> Burgundavia, which instructions did you followed for installing compiz/beryl? the ones on the wiki?
[05:31] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that "is not metacitiy" is a proper bug
[05:31] <Burgundavia> it is for this instance
[05:31] <Burgundavia> because, remember, compiz must transparently replace metacity
[05:31] <Burgundavia> that is very explicitly written in the spec
[05:37] <Burgundavia> it looks like a whole class of "compiz doing dumb things" can be closed by simply switching back to metacity style workspaces
[05:44] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:47] <Burgundavia> here is a nice fun bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/73704
[05:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73704 in compiz "Window titles stop updating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:49] <Burgundavia> what the?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure that's right...
[05:50] <Burgundavia> no, it isn't
[05:55] <Amaranth> wtf
[05:56] <Amaranth> i'm not in the access list?
[05:56] <Amaranth> that...looks bad
[05:56] <Amaranth> i don't have lvl 10 access but i can op/deop
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Hah
[05:57] <Hawkwind> Definitely broken
[06:21] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: did you get many responses to your blog post?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: a half dozen
[06:30] <ajmitch> not bad
[07:48] <dholbach> good morning
[07:50] <isaric_> How to connecte with login here http://revu.tauware.de/index.py ( http://isaric.cof.free.fr/eot.png )
[07:52] <crimsun> did you read the REVU pages on the wiki?
[07:57] <superm1> imbrandon, ping
[08:02] <ajmitch> morning dholbach!
[08:04] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:09] <isaric_> crimsun, yes but I don't understand all! I perhaps lost the password and i try recorer : http://isaric.cof.free.fr/eot.png , without result!
[08:10] <crimsun> isaric_: you may need an admin to reset it by hand
[08:13] <isaric_> I think its here to tell at a admin !
[08:23] <isaric_> I try with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:28] <ajmitch> isaric_: I've checked, I can decrypt my own password, you have a password in the database there, so I don't know why it returns None for you
[08:29] <ajmitch> isaric_: can you retry now please?
[08:30] <isaric_> login for user "isaric" failed, please retry or recover
[08:31] <ajmitch> yes, retry recovery
[08:32] <isaric_> gpg: chiffr avec une cl de 1024 bits ELG-E, ID 02383233, cre le 2006-11-17
[08:32] <isaric_>        isaric Co (cl dpkg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:32] <isaric_> None
[08:32] <isaric_> isaric@acer:~$
[08:32] <ajmitch> ok, thanks for testing anyway
[08:40] <isaric_> gpg: chiffr avec une cl de 1024 bits ELG-E, ID 02383233, cre le 2006-11-17
[08:40] <isaric_>        isaric Co (cl dpkg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:40] <isaric_> None
[08:40] <isaric_> isaric@acer:~$
[08:54] <dholbach> heya proppy
[08:54] <proppy> hoy
[08:54] <sivang> morning !
[08:57] <proppy> dholbach: can i ask you a cdbs question ? that was not covered in your 101 session ?
[08:58] <dholbach> proppy: fire away
[08:59] <proppy> is it advised to use cdbs, on a project that isn't autotoolized, or should i stick to a basic rules : binary : install : method ?
[08:59] <isaric_> I must leave, i send email at admin
[08:59] <dholbach> "is it advised to use cdbs" - this depends on who you ask
[08:59] <proppy> you :)
[09:00] <dholbach> I prefer to use it, others despise it
[09:00] <proppy> s/advised/possible ?
[09:00] <dholbach> you have files that need to be installed somewhere, and there's no makefile and stuff?
[09:00] <proppy> there is makefile and stuff
[09:00] <sivang> dholbach: I'm always moving between despise and love to it :)
[09:00] <dholbach> sivang: :-)
[09:00] <proppy> but no autoconf --install ./configure stuff
[09:01] <proppy> maybe i should read a bit cdbs code
[09:01] <proppy> to scale what it capable to do
[09:01] <proppy> +is
[09:01] <dholbach> proppy: right. you can stop the ./configure call from happening - let me try to look it up
[09:02] <proppy> ok
[09:02] <proppy> cause i got plenty of stuff to package
[09:02] <sivang> hi proppy , new to the MOTU team?
[09:03] <proppy> that have funky teenage build system
[09:03] <proppy> (like scons)
[09:03] <proppy> :)
[09:03] <proppy> or some premake.lua (beurk)
[09:03] <dholbach> oh
[09:03] <dholbach> there's a cdbs module for scons
[09:03] <sivang> re: teenagne build system, haha
[09:03] <proppy> sivang: new to ubuntu things :)
[09:04] <proppy> sivang: just uploaded my first package to revu
[09:04] <dholbach> proppy: for scons, you can take a look at telepathy-inspector - it uses it
[09:04] <sivang> oh cool :)
[09:04] <proppy> and looking forward uploading all the (debian) package we have at work
[09:05] <proppy> ok thanks dholbach :)
[09:06] <proppy> dholbach: i would be glad if you can gimme pointer on a simple cdbs that only call a command, that generate some file, and copy them somewhere
[09:06] <proppy> dholbach: if you remember it easily, else i will search up my own :)
[09:07] <dholbach> just use debhelper.mk and debian/install to install files
[09:08] <dholbach> if you need to call something in one of the targets, just do it -- https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS has some examples
[09:09] <proppy> dholbach: thanks for the link ! :)
[09:10] <proppy> sivang: i don't know by the way, if beeing makes me part of the motu team, does it matter ?
[09:10] <proppy> beeing+here
[09:10] <proppy> dholbach: good luck
[09:10] <sivang> proppy: I think so :)
[09:10] <dholbach> thanks
[09:11] <sivang> proppy: where do you work? what sort of packages are you building at work if I may ask ?
[09:11] <proppy> dholbach: i'm sorry i won't attend this one, got to install some poker server in a free.fr data center :)
[09:11] <dholbach> a poker server :-)
[09:11] <dholbach> i'll give it again on saturday
[09:11] <proppy> sivang: http://pokersource.info/
[09:11] <proppy> we are making a 3d poker client
[09:11] <dholbach> ah nice
[09:11] <proppy> and a 2d one :)
[09:12] <sivang> proppy: nice
[09:12] <sivang> what are you using server side?
[09:12] <proppy> all the stuff is packaged for debian/fedora/ubuntu
[09:12] <proppy> all the stuff is gpl
[09:12] <proppy> (instead of the 3d data :()
[09:12] <proppy> :( :( :(
[09:12] <proppy> sivang: our server :)
[09:12] <dholbach> but it's cool you want to get involved with the MOTUs
[09:13] <dholbach> if you need anything, let me know
[09:13] <proppy> i looking forward linking our packaging-farm
[09:13] <proppy> to the revu publishing mecanism
[09:13] <proppy> as the debian guy here is linked to the debian upload system
[09:14] <proppy> sivang: you can take a look at the server too
[09:14] <proppy> check poker-network on http://pokersource.info/developers/index.php
[09:14] <proppy> and i'm looking forward the integration of our 2d client in ubuntu by default,
[09:14] <dholbach> :-)
[09:15] <proppy> to be the buddy of the chess client :)
[09:16] <sivang> proppy: hehe, very nice. Are you using PHP server side?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> proppy: the best place for a poker client would be with gnome-games upstream
[09:17] <proppy> Burgundavia: thanks for the hint
[09:17] <proppy> sivang: for the poker-service ?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> you are much more likely to get it included if it comes with a developer or two and is already pretty clean code, etc.
[09:21] <proppy> Burgundavia: reading the gnome-games how to get involved thing :)
[09:22] <proppy> Burgundavia: are all the game in ubuntu desktop from gnome-games ?
[09:23] <sivang> proppy: yeah
[09:26] <proppy> sivang: yeah sivang: for the poker-service ? or yeah are all the game in ubuntu desktop from
[09:26] <proppy>                gnome-games ?
[09:26] <proppy> ? :)
[09:28] <sivang> proppy: seems so, you can check what is shipped by default through the seeds: https://code.launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.feisty
[09:28] <Burgundavia> proppy: all games on the default desktop are from gnome-games
[09:29] <sivang> proppy: IIRC there should be ship seed which determines what a users gets by default after installation
[09:42] <proppy> sivang: server and client side is python
[09:42] <proppy> sivang: and they share a lots of code
[09:42] <proppy> sivang: (so the 3d client)
[09:44] <sivang> proppy: ah, nice
[09:45] <Lathiat> hrm
[09:45] <Lathiat> "can i sell ubuntu cds on ebay"
[09:47] <Q-FUNK> dholbach: planner is in debian. sync at will. :)
[10:37] <\sh> moins
[10:37] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[10:41] <\sh> Ubuntu Package Archive Administrators is the right person to assign sync requests to, right? because searching for ubuntu-archive it gives me two answers
[10:45] <crimsun> ubuntu-archive should be subscribed to sync requests, yes, not assigned to. colin and scott tend to become very miffed in the latter.
[10:55] <\sh> I subscribed..but now you search for ubuntu-archive and have two answers...which is the right one
[11:09] <ajmitch> this driver is great, probably about the 5th reboot tonight :)
[11:17] <crimsun> \sh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:21] <\sh> crimsun: thx used the right one *phew*
[12:02] <ruilobao> hi, i am a python programmer and i want to help ubuntu coding. how can i help ubuntu using my programming skills ?
[12:11] <crimsun> ruilobao: have you read the contributing page?
[12:13] <ruilobao> crimsun, ya. but it dosent report nothing about python project in ubuntu. there is some list, channel especific to the ubuntu python projects ?
[12:14] <crimsun> ruilobao: no, but feel free to check bounties and the bug tracker
[12:14] <ruilobao> crimsun, ok ;) thanks!
[12:16] <dholbach> ruilobao: but it'd be great to see a Ubuntu Python team evolving
[12:16] <dholbach> I'm sure that there'd be a hell of a lot of people who would get involved there
[12:16] <ruilobao> dholbach, an especific list would be good too.
[12:17] <dholbach> ruilobao: first the team needed to have a common goal and people willing to work on them
[12:17] <dholbach> somebody needs to start creating that vision and gather people around it
[12:19] <ruilobao> dholbach, sure. there are a lot of python programmers on the ubuntu community.
[12:19] <dholbach> absolutely
[12:20] <ruilobao> dholbach, there is some place where we can propose it ?
[12:20] <mnepton> https://launchpad.net/people/python
[12:20] <dholbach> what I did, when I formed a team, was 1) starting wiki pages, 2) call people for an online meeting, 3) some more technical organisation
[12:20] <dholbach> it'd help to subscribe the python team to python bugs
[12:21] <dholbach> that should be part of that vision
[12:21] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/python/+packagebugs
[12:21] <dholbach> the team is not subscribed to any packages' bugs
[12:22] <ruilobao> dholbach, hum. great groups. thanks.
[12:22] <dholbach> once you set up some wiki pages with your ideas for such a team and created an agenda for the meeting, i'd call for participation on ubuntu-devel@
[12:24] <ruilobao> dholbach, i will sit down this weekend and make the proposal.
[12:24] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python2.4/+subscribe would be a first step :-)
[12:24] <dholbach> and talk to doko about it
[12:24] <dholbach> he'll be interested
[12:24] <dholbach> (amongst others)
[12:25] <dholbach> ruilobao: thanks for stepping up for that task - you rock
[12:27] <ruilobao> dholbach, thanks. i will work hard on it.
[12:28] <dholbach> ruilobao: let me know, if you need any help or an opinion
[12:28] <ruilobao> dholbach, sure. i will write the proposal this weekend and look for people interested in helping.
[12:30] <dholbach> nice - let's make python rock in Ubuntu! :-)
[12:33] <ruilobao> with sure ;) !
[12:37] <dholbach> :-)
[12:58] <fernando> revu sending empty messages?
[01:04] <Gloubiboulga> fernando: a spam I guess
[01:18] <sivang> ruilobao: I have a project that desperately needs lots of python love :)
[01:19] <sivang> ruilobao: and it's an ubuntu projekt as well;)
[01:19] <ruilobao> sivang, witch one ?
[01:19] <ruilobao> sivang, :)
[01:20] <sivang> ruilobao: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup
[01:22] <sivang> ruilobao: https://launchpad.net/people/sivan/+branch/hubackup/hubackup--main
[01:22] <sivang> ruilobao: (for the current HEAD )
[01:22] <sivang> ruilobao: would be great if we could get it polished, tested and enabled with desktop notifications for feisty.
[01:23] <ruilobao> sivang, great idea! i am reading the specs.
[01:23] <sivang> ruilobao: cool :)
[01:26] <ruilobao> sivang, wow! great, i liked a lot.
[01:26] <sivang> glad you like it! Are you happy to step up and help us get there? :)
[01:27] <ruilobao> sivang, of course! i want really to help.
[01:28] <sivang> ruilobao: okay, so the top level major tasks we need to accomplish are, in short:
[01:29] <sivang> 1) add the support for the desktop notifications to be delivered to the user based on the last time he backed up , and weather he backed up all his home or only subset of it (we only bug him for complete home folder backup)
[01:30] <sivang> 2) Finish the new mime type support workflow: this is aplit to 2 tasks actually, (A) adapt the backup and restore/verify functionality to use backup meta data files instead of the old, non mime type based way (I already did some perliminary adjustment to backup and diffbackup, needs testing and more love)
[01:30] <sivang> (B) hack the packaging to register the hubackup's mime type for both diff/full backup
[01:32] <sivang> 3) Run a fine tune / fine finnish run and make sure all possible failure and errors are propogated and dealt with - make sure DVD/CD multi sessions for diff backups are working, protect against errors in which a backup has failed in integrity testing and needs redoing etc
[01:32] <sivang> and there are a bit more in the TODO ;)
[01:32] <sivang> (some parts of the TODO might need updating as I am closing them as I go)
[01:33] <sivang> the work is spread across a backend, utility and frontend cores
[01:34] <sivang> note that (2) involved fixing hurestore and make it work the new way , using the new UI designed in UDS Paris.
[01:34] <ruilobao> sivang ;) great. you have done a lot of good work already :).
[01:34] <sivang> ruilobao: so, there's lots pf stuff and for any taste, what is your fancy? :)
[01:34] <sivang> ruilobao: if you have feisty installed, install it and see the new backup window
[01:35] <sivang> ruilobao: there is already another dude named Martin Bergner who helps quite a bit on the backend part, he helped fix some detection problems and IIRC started something to allow burning to DVDRW /DVD + multi session. (basically requires wrapping dvd+rw tools in the python backend CDBurner.py)
[01:36] <sivang> however, another person that loves python coding and is enthusiastic to help would be great :-D
[01:36] <ruilobao> sivang, i m using edgy, not feisty yet. i liked the (1) to work with :)
[01:37] <ruilobao> but i would love to work on any part.
[01:37] <sivang> ruilobao: okay, do you want to start with it? it would be rocking to have this ready already
[01:38] <sivang> ruilobao: if you finish you could then join me to finish the new workflow stuff, I'm currently working on make hurestore not crash due to changes in UI definitions, then I will start refactoring how it calls the bakcend to use the new meta data file based restore/verify/update
[01:39] <ruilobao> sivang, now i am at work, so soon i get at home i will download the code and check where i can hack :)
[01:39] <sivang> ruilobao: very cool! make sure you ping me whenever you have questions or email me if I'm away
[01:39] <sivang> ruilobao: latest I shall respond in 4-5 hours
[01:40] <sivang> ruilobao: but I'm usually here
[01:40] <sivang> ruilobao: this is an exciting project, and many people already anticipate it , we could rock it together ;)
[01:41] <ruilobao> sivang, i loved the UI.
[01:41] <ruilobao> sivang, i am ansious to see the code.
[01:41] <ruilobao> *anxious
[01:42] <sivang> ruilobao: :)
[01:46] <ruilobao> sivang, i will do some work now and later will give a look at the code. any doubt or propose i will send to your email, ok ?
[02:27] <tenshu> hi all
[02:34] <lastnode_> Fujitsu, ping
[02:45] <CypherBIOS> hello there. I did my first upload to revu, and now I would like to know what I need to do now (if there). The upload is this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581
[02:45] <jonh_wendell> Hi, CypherBIOS
[02:46] <CypherBIOS> It will be reviwed by someone?
[02:46] <CypherBIOS> jonh_wendell: good to see you ;)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: those depends are all wrong.
[02:47] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, can you review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3526
[02:47] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: what's wrong, necessary?!
[02:48] <StevenK> CypherBIOS: And the package seems badly made. The entire debian/ directory should be in the diff.gz, not the orig tarball
[02:49] <Hobbsee> StevenK: ahh, so that's waht it is
[02:49] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: the debian directory already is on the original tarball (it comes with source code of this package)
[02:49] <StevenK> There are ways of dealing with that.
[02:50] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: this program is developed by me :)
[02:50] <StevenK> Then it should be packaged natively
[02:50] <StevenK> It doesn't have to contain -0ubuntu1
[02:51] <CypherBIOS> humm...
[02:51] <StevenK> Why are you depending on lsb-release?
[02:52] <StevenK> It's Priority: important
[02:52] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: the code uses lsb-release to know what distribuition are running
[02:52] <StevenK> How about dpkg-dev, for that matter?
[02:52] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net
[02:53] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: it's a APT-like tool to create a CD/DVD-repository based for apt
[02:53] <CypherBIOS> uses your cache to do it ;)
[02:53] <StevenK> What about apt-zip? Have you looked at that?
[02:54] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: trusth me, aren't nothing like aptoncd yet :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581 will do for a start...
[02:54] <StevenK> CypherBIOS: I'm unconvinced.
[02:55] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: well, the program already developed now. I can't back :)
[02:56] <StevenK> Whatever gave you the idea of ln -s /usr/share/aptoncd/aptoncd.py /usr/bin/aptoncd in the POSTINST?
[02:56] <StevenK> Waaah!
[02:57] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: it's commented
[02:57] <StevenK> Sure, but it was in there at some point.
[02:57] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: before I debianized the package
[02:58] <StevenK> Uh? It's in debian/postinst, how can it be from before you debianized the package?
[02:59] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: is for it that I'm here, to know how can I made the package correctly
[02:59] <StevenK> There's a now bunch of suggestions on REVU.
[02:59] <StevenK> s/\(a\) \(now\)/\2 \1/
[03:00] <jonh_wendell> StevenK or Hobbsee  , can you review my package now? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3526
[03:00] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: i'm looking at it
[03:00] <Hobbsee> then i'll let steve :P
[03:01] <crimsun> ouch, 2x gauntlet
[03:01] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: "No .desktop file or menu file. " is there a aptoncd.desktop on the package/source
[03:02] <Hobbsee> not sure.  if not, you could always create one.  always fun for hte user to attempt to locate the program when it doesnt have a desktop file
[03:02] <Hobbsee> and you do want your user to run your program/
[03:03] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: but, the aptoncd.desktop already is there, and the binary pacakage that I've made includes this (generate an entry on System>Administration>APTonCD) :)
[03:03] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: on the Makefile have instructions to install it on /usr/share/applications, as usual
[03:03] <StevenK> Are you sure that's where your users will look?
[03:04] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: is there a lot of documentation to let then know that is there
[03:04] <StevenK> Which they will need to look for.
[03:05] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: have you any sugestion?
[03:05] <StevenK> None.
[03:05] <CypherBIOS> so...
[03:05] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: I'm wrong about the desktop file?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> StevenK: where does one actually put the menu file in debian/rules so it's recognised?  my brain seems to be terrible tonight.
[03:07] <StevenK> As in dh_installmenu or what?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> oh yeah
[03:08] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: "oh yeah" = "you did an mistake" ? :)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: at this time of night, it wouldnt surprise me.  i just noticed it's absense, but didnt look higher.
[03:08] <jonh_wendell> :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: there you go :)
[03:10] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: ;)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: well, dh_installmenu might exist, but you certainly didnt call it
[03:11] <CypherBIOS> humm
[03:11] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's commented out :P
[03:11] <StevenK> Score: Hobbsee: 1, CypherBIOS: 0
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, are you a native english speaker?
[03:12] <jonh_wendell> hehe
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: yeah, i am :)
[03:12] <StevenK> Well, she tries to be.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: i looked at it, looked again, and seriously just went "what?"
[03:12] <Hobbsee> steve is too, he likes to help
[03:12] <zul> ahhh no pointy stick?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> dholbach: hey look, we're actually REVUing stuff
[03:12] <Hobbsee> zul: nah, our comments are doing that.
[03:13] <dholbach> you ROCK
[03:13] <StevenK> dholbach: I would be commenting, but I can't recover my password.
[03:13] <dholbach> ngngngngn
[03:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: feel like REVUing too?
[03:13] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, fala is just a frontend to festival, which allows you to hear any word or setence you type
[03:13] <dholbach> StevenK: couldn't ajmitch, \sh_away, siretart or sistpoty help you?
[03:13] <dholbach> Hobbsee: i'll give a MOTU talk in a bit
[03:13] <crimsun> mez can, too
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:13] <crimsun> (he reset mine)
[03:13] <StevenK> dholbach: I have no idea, I haven't cared enough to ask yet. :-P
[03:14] <crimsun> I believe Gloubiboulga has admin on revu, too
[03:14] <dholbach> StevenK: GO GO GO! :)
[03:14] <StevenK> All of which are not here.
[03:15] <crimsun> raphink: revu admin ping for StevenK? :)
[03:15] <raphink> yep?
[03:15] <raphink> what's up?
[03:15] <StevenK> Drat, dholbach didn't mention raphink. :-)
[03:16] <StevenK> raphink: Can you reset my password, pretty please?
[03:16] <raphink> revu password?
[03:16] <StevenK> raphink: Yup.
[03:16] <raphink> sure
[03:16] <StevenK> The web interface said my password was 'None'. Which was nice of it.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: updated with a suggestion.  it's better, but it is late at night here
[03:16] <raphink> what's the email used for your account?
[03:17] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, are you gonna sleep?
[03:17] <StevenK> Supposedly<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:17] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: soonish
[03:17] <jonh_wendell> thanks, Hobbsee
[03:18] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: I do not want later you sleep :) but, I have an question
[03:18] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> CypherBIOS: shoot.  steve can answer it
[03:18] <CypherBIOS> [many question, really]  :P
[03:18] <CypherBIOS> Hobbsee: tnx
[03:18] <crimsun> ooh, nice handoff, Hobbsee!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:18] <elkbuntu> StevenK, did you give hobbsee her surprise yet?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> StevenK: remember that i see you on friday.  i'll bring my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:18] <StevenK> elkbuntu: ^
[03:19] <Hobbsee> no, but i know what it is :D
[03:19] <Hobbsee> thanks elky :)
[03:19] <elkbuntu> :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> crimsun: it's called delegation, it's a great skill
[03:20] <Hobbsee> especially when you delegate to random people!
[03:20] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, for the love of cute pink bunnies, please dont make him *any* more insane than he is already :
[03:20] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hahaha
[03:20] <dholbach> right :)
[03:20] <Hobbsee> mm...cute pink bunnies...
[03:21] <CypherBIOS> StevenK: this application is python-based program, so, dont need compilation. How can I get the dependencies on automatic way if do not put then on control file manually?
[03:21] <raphink> StevenK: I seem to fail to reset your password
[03:21] <StevenK> raphink: Neat.
[03:21] <StevenK> raphink: No REVU for me, then? :-P
[03:21] <raphink> StevenK: I changed it, it says it was changed, but it wasn't
[03:21] <elkbuntu> damnit... she can see the razor-sharp steel teeth
[03:22] <raphink> StevenK: I'll try to figure out what's happening
[03:22] <StevenK> raphink: Okay.
[03:22] <StevenK> Lala lala, I broke REVU.
[03:22] <raphink> hmmm
[03:23] <raphink> siretart: ping
[03:23] <siretart> raphink: You sent me a contentless ping.  This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I'll respond when I am around.
[03:23] <raphink> :)
[03:23] <StevenK> Muahaha
[03:23] <raphink> huhu
[03:23] <raphink> :p
[03:23] <StevenK> Well, that was pointless.
[03:23] <raphink> indeed
[03:23] <raphink> but he's probably the only one who can figure out
[03:23] <StevenK> We could start calling siretart Mithrandir, but that would get confusing.
[03:23] <raphink> or ajmitch maybe
[03:24] <StevenK> raphink: I do actually have a REVU account, right?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: hehe, of course i did
[03:24] <raphink> that's a good question
[03:24] <raphink> StevenK: I just checked with a random account, it gives the same result
[03:24] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, shold i remove python-gtk2 from 'Depends' if i already have ${shlibs:Depends}, ${python:Depends} ?
[03:25] <raphink> so it seems you don't StevenK :)
[03:25] <StevenK> Heh
[03:25] <raphink> did you ever upload?
[03:25] <dholbach> jonh_wendell: no, it won't be added automatically
[03:25] <StevenK> I'm in ubuntu-universe-contributors by way of being in ubuntu-dev...
[03:25] <raphink> yes
[03:25] <raphink> but did you ever upload to revu?
[03:25] <dholbach> jonh_wendell: {python:Depends} only adds the current python version
[03:25] <raphink> using that email
[03:25] <StevenK> raphink: Nope. Do I need to?
[03:25] <raphink> yes StevenK
[03:25] <raphink> it's written in the doc ;)
[03:26] <StevenK> There's a document?
[03:26] <raphink> your account is created the first time you upload
[03:26] <raphink> check the wiki
[03:26] <StevenK> First time I've heard about it. :-P
[03:26] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[03:26] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, see: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.0),python-gtk2-dev,python2.4-dev
[03:26] <raphink> cmon
[03:26] <raphink> like you can't search the wiki ;)
[03:26] <jonh_wendell> is it right, dholbach ?
[03:26] <StevenK> I guessed the URL about 10 seconds before you typed it, so nyah.
[03:26] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${python:Depends}, python-gtk2, festival
[03:27] <dholbach> jonh_wendell: that depends on the package, you will also need python-central or python-support
[03:27] <dholbach> I'd rather use python-all-dev
[03:27] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, no, it's not necessary
[03:28] <dholbach> it spares you the pain of doing uploads just for a transition
[03:28] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, i'm asking this because the comments made by Hobbsee, see: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3526
[03:28] <dholbach> but that's your choice
[03:28] <elkbuntu> g'nite. dont break us too bad
[03:31] <dholbach> jonh_wendell: sorry, I don't have time for that right now - if you drop me a mail with the packages you want me to review, i'll do that
[03:31] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, thanks. i'll do the changes suggested by Hobbsee and will mail you
[03:32] <dholbach> super
[03:32] <dholbach> thanks
[03:36] <StevenK> Harder, damn it!
[03:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:40] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, you're around yet, great
[03:40] <Hobbsee> jonh_wendell: ish, yes
[03:40] <jonh_wendell> Hobbsee, what do you mean: 'python-support goes for this one, too' ?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ask StevenK
[03:40] <StevenK> I wonder if my REVU account has been created yet.
[03:41] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Hmph! :-P
[03:41] <Hobbsee> StevenK: it was your comment :P
[03:41] <Hobbsee> i just pasted it
[03:41] <jonh_wendell> StevenK, can you help me?
[03:41] <StevenK> jonh_wendell: You probably want to at least look at using python-support or python-central for this package.
[03:41] <jonh_wendell> StevenK, no, i've already done this
[03:41] <StevenK> It's only a suggestion. :-)
[03:42] <jonh_wendell> StevenK, right
[03:48] <siretart> raphink: yes?
[03:48] <raphink> sorry siretart, seems the problem was that StevenK didn't have a REVU account
[03:49] <raphink> which is why I failed to change his password ;)
[03:49] <raphink> so it's sorted out
[03:49] <StevenK> I've done an upload since then.
[03:49] <StevenK> And the web interface still says "None"
[03:49] <StevenK> So, do I now have an account?
[03:49] <raphink> let me see
[03:49] <raphink> did the upload pass?
[03:50] <StevenK> I think I saw hit the web interface.
[03:50] <raphink> ok
[03:50] <raphink> what was the package you uploaded?
[03:51] <StevenK> fala
[03:51] <StevenK> And it was me, I just verified the GPG goodness on the .dsc
[03:52] <raphink> you don't seem to be the one changing this package
[03:52] <raphink> fala  is
[03:52] <jonh_wendell> fala is my package
[03:52] <raphink> Changed-By: Jonh Wendell Sousa de Santana<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:52] <azeem> 3/W 33
[03:52] <raphink>  yes
[03:52] <azeem> oops
[03:52] <StevenK> Oh, right.
[03:52] <raphink> it's not StevenK's
[03:53] <jonh_wendell> if anybody wants to review it, feel free! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3583
[03:53] <StevenK> raphink: I'll look at doing a proper upload when I get up.
[03:54] <raphink> k
[03:55] <siretart> StevenK: whats your revu login (the email)
[03:56] <StevenK> siretart: To be honest, I doubt I have one.
[03:56] <siretart> StevenK: it is created automatically on uploads
[03:56] <siretart> StevenK: based on the Changed-By field
[03:57] <StevenK> Changed-By wasn't me
[03:57] <jonh_wendell> should be :)
[03:58] <StevenK> As I said to raphink, I'll redo it when I wake up.
[03:58] <siretart> ok
[03:58] <StevenK> That part of the REVU page so isn't clear.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> StevenK: just upload a new linda or something now, with your name in the changelog?
[03:58] <siretart> no. and that part of revu really sucks
[03:58] <StevenK> I could do that.
[03:59] <StevenK> There, aircrack-ng uploading
[03:59] <StevenK> s/ing/ed/
[04:00] <StevenK> Just before a 5 minute boundary too, hopefully.
[04:01] <crimsun> woops, I let a u-u-s slip
[04:01] <crimsun> fixed.
[04:05] <StevenK> siretart, raphink: Sorted, thanks for your help.
[04:07] <raphink> np
[04:12] <Adri2000> is there any Kubuntu people around? a new upstream release of k9copy is available, the last upload has been done by Tonio_, he is not here. so: do you prefer to wait for Tonio_? or do you want to do it yourself? I can also take care of it but I will need a sponsor
[04:12] <crimsun> it's best to ping the previous uploader first
[04:14] <Adri2000> !seen Tonio_
[04:14] <ubotu> I last saw tonio_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>15m 34s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[04:15] <Adri2000> the problem is that I don't know if this tonio_ is the right one, he was not identified and not in this channel
[04:15] <Adri2000> I will wait :)
[04:16] <crimsun> his irc client left about 14 hours ago.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hey Adri2000
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !info k9copy
[04:16] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 630 kB, installed size 1708 kB
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !info k9copy feisty
[04:17] <Hobbsee> !info k9copy feisty
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: please package that
[04:17] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: tonio_'s working on main stuff
[04:18] <Adri2000> ok Hobbsee, I will let you know as soon as it is ready
[04:18] <Hobbsee> okay
[04:18] <PriceChild> Hobbsee: go to bed!
[04:18] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i was figuring kubuntu meetings out!
[04:19] <PriceChild> course you were
[04:19] <PriceChild> those "special" dreams aren't giong to wait for you, you know!
[04:19] <PriceChild> popey: no binary uploads
[04:19] <PriceChild> whoops wrong place
[04:26] <CypherBIOS> someone can explain how dh_installmenu works?
[04:26] <crimsun> meaning clarification post-reading dh_installmenu(1)?
[04:27] <thom> i imagine the manpage would do an admirable job
[04:27] <CypherBIOS> I've tried the debhelper manpage, but not helped much :(
[04:27] <thom> man dh_installmenu
[04:28] <CypherBIOS> thom: tnx :)
[05:14] <Seeker`> so how exactly do I go about starting to contribute?
[05:16] <Adri2000> Seeker`: look for bugs to fix, or try to package a program that is not yet in universe, and don't hesitate to ask questions here :)
[05:16] <Adri2000> Seeker`: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Candidates for new programs to package
[05:17] <Seeker`> I dont really have a clue where to start, the only programming i've done before is at uni, and they have been small projects
[05:18] <Adri2000> Seeker`: ah ok, if you don't know at all packaging there is a session "Packaging 101" saturday at 19 UTC
[05:19] <Seeker`> ok
[05:21] <Seeker`> what sort of level of programming knowledge would you say is required to be able to successdully package / fix bugs?
[05:24] <Adri2000> depends of the bug, I personally don't have really programming knowledge, I ask upstream for a patch :p but when you have compile errors, sometimes it's easy to fix by editing an include in the source for example, but you will learn while packaging
[05:25] <geser> Seeker`: for fixing packaging bugs you mostly need shell to fix the build script(s)
[05:25] <Seeker`> i've done a small amount of that before
[05:25] <Seeker`> but usually stick to C / Java
[05:30] <Seeker`> is it easier to start bugfixing or packaging?
[05:31] <geser> Seeker`: imho is it easier to start bugfixing as someone else does already most of the work
[05:31] <dholbach> Seeker`: helping with merging is great also
[05:31] <geser> you only need to fix a call, add some lines, etc
[05:31] <geser> if you start packaging you must do it all from the beginning
[05:31] <dholbach> Seeker`: grab a package from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html - read up on merging in crimsun's excellent merging session on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School and off you go :)
[05:32] <Adri2000> crimsun: can you upload k9copy please: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/ patches still needed (but don't need any change), builds, installs and works
[05:54] <ivoks> heh, i didn't see so much noise on ubuntu-devel for ages :)
[06:07] <Ornedan> G'day. When are the Edgy x86_64 Eclipse packages going to be fixed?
[06:08] <Seeker`> i'm finding it quite difficult to follow the merging tutorial
[06:09] <Adri2000> Seeker`: why? ask if you have any questions
[06:10] <Ornedan> It's merely been that way for over a month... And a fix has been posted in launchpad... So is it just because of some bureucratic retardedness that the fix hasn't been propagated to repositories yet? Or did the package maintainer die or something?
[06:12] <Seeker`> its step 3 on the tutorial that i dont really get
[06:13] <Adri2000> Ornedan: it seems that the fix doesn't work for everybody :/
[06:13] <Seeker`> how do you know if you can discard the ubuntu changes?
[06:13] <jonh_wendell> dholbach, don't forget my package :)
[06:15] <Adri2000> Seeker`: often when they have been included in the debian package/upstream
[06:15] <Adri2000> Seeker`: are you working on a particular package?
[06:17] <Seeker`> no, i've just been trying to get the jist of it by looking at the tutorial
[06:17] <Seeker`> i was going to have a go when i get home in about an hour or so
[06:17] <Ornedan> Ok. So there are N, N > 1 bugs with Eclipse (and Java in general?) in Edgy
[06:18] <Ornedan> However, it would still be good to get fix to at least some published, so that it will be easier to figure out the remaining issues
[06:21] <Ornedan> Or ask for more data from users. Or do something instead of just ignoring the issue
[06:25] <Seeker`> Adri2000: Do you reckon if I look at a specific package later, someone would help walk me through it?
[06:26] <Adri2000> yes, of course
[06:28] <Seeker`> ok
[06:28] <Seeker`> i'm heading home now, probably be back in about an hour
[06:49] <LaserJock> guys, I need help :(
[06:49] <LaserJock> my network decided to die in a weird way
[06:50] <zul> LaserJock: if your network died then how did you connect to irc ;)
[06:50] <LaserJock> another computer
[06:50] <zul> whats wrong with your network connection then
[06:50] <LaserJock> it won't do anything
[06:51] <zul> what kind of network card?
[06:51] <LaserJock> I came in to work this morning and it was dead
[06:51] <LaserJock> not sure, it's on my intel imac
[06:51] <zul> meh...cant help :(
[06:52] <LaserJock> well, I'm thinking it almost has to be a hardware problem
[06:52] <LaserJock> I rebooted into OS X and it was still dead
[06:52] <LaserJock> but the weird thing is that other computers get a response when I ping it
[06:52] <imbrandon> ...
[06:53] <imbrandon> ello fellas
[06:53] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon :/
[06:53] <zul> check routing tables?
[06:54] <thom> check that other computers are getting the correct result when they arp?
[06:54] <LaserJock> dang, I can't even log into Ubuntu now
[06:54] <thom> (ie, that noone's stolen your IP)
[06:55] <LaserJock> xsession-errors says "Host name lookup failure on localhost"
[06:57] <LaserJock> this is just really weird, the computer was left on last night
[06:57] <LaserJock> and it was *working* last night
[06:57] <Spec> you can't login to a console?
[06:57] <LaserJock> console yes, gnome no
[06:57] <cbx33> hmmm
[06:57] <cbx33> so the auth is failing on xsession?
[06:57] <Spec> gnome wants an entry in your /etc/hosts file for your box
[06:57] <Spec> but if it was working yesterday, that entry shouldn't have automagically left
[06:58] <geser> Spec: doesn't it use also DNS to resolve names?
[06:58] <LaserJock> /etc/hosts seems fine to me
[06:58] <Spec> 'host localhost'?
[07:00] <LaserJock> I have <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[07:00] <LaserJock> hmm, but then I have <IP_ADDRESS> <my computer>
[07:00] <Spec> I have a <IP_ADDRESS> <Ubuntu>
[07:00] <Spec> on my vmware
[07:01] <LaserJock> hmm, ok
[07:01] <Spec> yeah, i've never seen that one before though, :p
[07:01] <geser> LaserJock: "host localhost" works?
[07:02] <LaserJock> geser, what is it supposed to do?
[07:02] <geser> lookup the IP for localhost
[07:02] <LaserJock> nope, doesn't work
[07:02] <LaserJock> connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[07:03] <geser> check /etc/nsswitch.conf
[07:03] <geser> you should have a line "hosts:          files dns"
[07:03] <LaserJock> yep
[07:04] <Spec> does your resolv.conf look right?
[07:04] <LaserJock> yep
[07:04] <geser> is the interface "lo" up?
[07:05] <LaserJock> yep
[07:05] <geser> hmm
[07:05] <geser> I'm out of ideas
[07:06] <LaserJock> darn, now I get Host unreachable when I ping it
[07:07] <LaserJock> ok, that's weird
[07:07] <LaserJock> if I hook it up to the same hub this computer is on it responds to the ping
[07:07] <LaserJock> does that sound right?
[07:09] <geser> IIRC a ping to localhost should also work without a connection (can't test it right now)
[07:10] <LaserJock> ok, one issues seems to be DNS
[07:10] <LaserJock> when I hooked the computer into the same hub as this one I can ssh in using the IP
[07:11] <imbrandon> dns shouldent matter if your going by the ip
[07:11] <LaserJock> but any communication with my network as a whole is gone
[07:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon, right, I'm saying I don't have dns though
[07:12] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:12] <LaserJock> ok, I think it's time to talk with the sysadmin. I think the network has maybe turned my IP off or something
[07:13] <LaserJock> although why I can't get localhost is beyond me :(
[07:13] <Seeker`> hi
[07:14] <LaserJock> ok, well I can ping localhost anyway
[07:23] <xerxas> can I help in merges ?
[07:24] <geser> sure
[07:24] <xerxas> how ?
[07:25] <imbrandon> xerxas: sure, its just standard to contact the name listed with the merge first to make sure they havent already started working on it
[07:25] <xerxas> on taking any package here: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html#updated
[07:25] <xerxas> ok
[07:28] <Seeker`> is anyone able to help talk me through the process of merging a package?
[07:30] <joejaxx> LaserJock: did you see anything wrong with my package?
[07:30] <LaserJock> joejaxx, I haven't had a chance
[07:30] <joejaxx> oh alright
[07:30] <LaserJock> I just found out my networking problem
[07:30] <joejaxx> really?
[07:30] <joejaxx> nice :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> not really
[07:31] <joejaxx> atleast you know what it is now
[07:31] <joejaxx> oh
[07:31] <LaserJock> my uni killed my mac address
[07:31] <LaserJock> because my computer scanned 300,000 hosts on the https port last night
[07:31] <joejaxx> why did your computer do that?
[07:31] <LaserJock> I have no idea
[07:31] <LaserJock> they think it's a worm
[07:31] <imbrandon> virus
[07:31] <zul> lol
[07:32] <joejaxx> how can you have a virus on ubuntu?
[07:32] <LaserJock> so I'll have to figure out what happened
[07:32] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:32] <LaserJock> and plead with them to turn my computer back on
[07:32] <joejaxx> hello imbrandon  and zul
[07:32] <joejaxx> LaserJock: that is quite unfortunate :(
[07:32] <zul> hi joejaxx
[07:32] <imbrandon> joejaxx: linux virus's exist, they are just not as previlent ( specialy if your rooted )
[07:32] <LaserJock> I have no idea where to even look
[07:32] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah that is what i mean
[07:32] <imbrandon> ANY os CAN get a virus / trojan
[07:32] <thom> LaserJock: tct, chkrootkit etc, downloaded on different pc, built statically, burnt onto cd, run on computer in question
[07:33] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i mean it is not like xp where anyone can execute it
[07:33] <imbrandon> joejaxx: that dont matter, a root exploit could have been used
[07:33] <joejaxx> zul: hello i am going to patch the kernel today i found out it was 2.6.17
[07:33] <joejaxx> imbrandon: true
[07:33] <imbrandon> just because it dont happen often dosent mean it cant :)
[07:34] <joejaxx> i do not see how people can just sit around and write virii
[07:34] <joejaxx> zul: :D
[07:34] <joejaxx> zul: i have to turn off smp and preempt though
[07:34] <joejaxx> :\
[07:34] <zul> why?
[07:35] <joejaxx> because this patch will not work with it
[07:35] <LaserJock> crap, it looks to me like somebody tried to ssh in
[07:36] <joejaxx> :\
[07:37] <joejaxx> zul: trying to setup my cluster with ubuntu
[07:37] <joejaxx> trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/startfluxbox', which is also in package fluxbox
[07:37] <joejaxx> fun stuff
[07:37] <joejaxx> you want to know why that happened?
[07:37] <joejaxx> because i need to have the dpkg-d in the preinst
[07:38] <joejaxx> LaserJock: you also know what that means? that error?
[07:38] <joejaxx> i fixed the install file :D
[07:38] <joejaxx> if it is trying to overwrite it
[07:39] <imbrandon> bbiab lunch time
[07:39] <LaserJock> how do I know if somebody got in?
[07:40] <joejaxx> does sshd log successful authentications?
[07:40] <jorgp> hello
[07:41] <jorgp> who do we talk to about a wrong link problem with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?action=show&redirect=UniverseCandidates
[07:43] <joejaxx> LaserJock: if so then you can look there
[07:43] <LaserJock> jorgp, you can just fix it
[07:43] <jorgp> gaim-libnotify links to gaim-assistant page
[07:44] <jorgp> nm, I'll just fix it myself
[07:47] <jorgp> that was easy enough, sorry to bother
[07:47] <Seeker`> can anyone help me merge the eterm package?
[07:53] <LaserJock> guys how do I find out what somebody did if they got into my computer?
[07:53] <jorgp> Seeker`, what problem are you having with it?
[07:54] <adrian3> LaserJock, bash's logs ?
[07:54] <Seeker`> jorgp: I dont really know what to do - i was wondering if someone could talk me through what I am meant to do
[07:55] <jorgp> what are you doing with it? upgrading, patches?
[07:55] <Seeker`> merge with the debian version
[08:01] <Seeker`> anyone?
[08:10] <Adri2000> Seeker`: so first download the grab-merge script
[08:11] <Seeker`> Adri: I've done that already, and I have run it with eterm as the argument
[08:11] <Adri2000> ok, I'm doing the same at the moment
[08:15] <Adri2000> Seeker`: look at eterm_0.9.3-1ubuntu1.patch
[08:16] <Adri2000> Seeker`: it shows you the changes made in the ubuntu package
[08:16] <Seeker`> yep
[08:16] <Adri2000> 0.9.3-1 (debian) -> 0.9.3-1ubuntu1 (ubuntu)
[08:16] <Seeker`> ok
[08:17] <Adri2000> this kind of changes, if not included in upstream or debian, should be kept
[08:18] <Seeker`> so unless it has been changed in the new version for debian, the same patch should be applied to the new version?
[08:19] <Adri2000> not always, if it was a change in the depends, maybe it is not needed anymore
[08:19] <Seeker`> how do you tell?
[08:22] <Adri2000> Seeker`: read the changelog to see why is has been changed, and tools such as apt-cache, apt-file
[08:22] <Adri2000> s/is/it/
[08:23] <Adri2000> for eterm, the changelog says that it fixes a bug (even if it seems to not have been reported in malone)
[08:24] <Seeker`> ok
[08:25] <Adri2000> Seeker`: now look at the patch between 0.9.3-1 and the last version in debian (which is a new upstream release, 0.9.4)
[08:25] <Seeker`> quite a large file
[08:26] <Adri2000> yep, so use your editor to search a string
[08:26] <Adri2000> search for example "Window Manager does not support MWM hints." which is part of a line changed in ubuntu
[08:26] <Adri2000> you will find something
[08:27] <Adri2000> ok?
[08:27] <Seeker`> yep
[08:27] <Adri2000> but you can see that it's only a one line change, s/print_warning/libast_print_warning/
[08:28] <Seeker`> yeah
[08:28] <Seeker`> which isn't the same thing as the ubuntu patch
[08:28] <Adri2000> and it not at all the change made in ubuntu
[08:28] <Adri2000> yep, so you'll have to keep this change
[08:28] <Adri2000> and as grab-merge reported, there is a conflict in the file src/windows.c
[08:28] <Adri2000> which is the file patched in ubuntu
[08:29] <Adri2000> there is a conflict because of the one line change in debian
[08:29] <Adri2000> Seeker`: so edit manually the file src/windows.c
[08:29] <Seeker`> in eterm-<IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1?
[08:30] <Adri2000> yes
[08:31] <Adri2000> this is the directoy created by merge-o-matic, with the debian and the ubuntu versions merged
[08:31] <Adri2000> but merge-o-matic didn't manage to merge src/windows.c
[08:31] <Adri2000> that's your job :)
[08:32] <Seeker`> so i end up with
[08:32] <Seeker`>     if (BITFIELD_IS_SET(eterm_options, ETERM_OPTIONS_BORDERLESS)) {
[08:32] <Seeker`>         prop = XInternAtom(Xdisplay, "_MOTIF_WM_INFO", True);
[08:32] <Seeker`>             mwmhints.flags = MWM_HINTS_DECORATIONS;
[08:32] <Seeker`>             mwmhints.decorations = 0;
[08:32] <Seeker`>     } else {
[08:33] <Adri2000> seems correct
[08:34] <Adri2000> Seeker`: now you have to write the changelog
[08:34] <Adri2000> in eterm-<IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1/, use dch -e
[08:36] <Seeker`> now what?
[08:37] <Adri2000> Seeker`: you have to write what are the ubuntu changes
[08:38] <Seeker`> do I just copy what was written in the changelog for the 0.93 version?
[08:39] <Adri2000> yep, you can look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-November/date.html for an example
[08:40] <Seeker`>   * Merge from debian unstable.
[08:40] <Seeker`>   * Don't set override_redirect for KDE.  It causes borderless
[08:40] <Seeker`>     Eterms to refuse focus.
[08:40] <Seeker`>  -- Chris Oattes<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:36:09 +0000
[08:42] <Seeker`> is that right?
[08:42] <Adri2000> Seeker`: with this changelog it looks like you have just made the change for <IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1
[08:43] <Seeker`> huh?
[08:43] <Adri2000> Seeker`: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-November/001310.html one I have done
[08:43] <joejaxx> i am so happy right now
[08:43] <joejaxx> lol
[08:44] <Seeker`> so change it to say that the override_redirect part of the merge?
[08:45] <Adri2000> * merge from debian unstable. changes:
[08:45] <Adri2000>   - bla bla...
[08:45] <Adri2000> instead of two different *
[08:45] <Seeker`> ok
[08:46] <Seeker`> done that
[08:52] <Seeker`> what now?
[08:53] <geser> build the source package
[08:54] <CypherBIOS> That's ok, I did some modifications based on the Hobbsee's comments, if someone can review this package http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3581 and make some sugestions I'll be gratefull
[08:54] <CypherBIOS> I'm going for home now, back in about one hour
[08:54] <CypherBIOS> tnx, bye
[09:00] <Seeker`> i get an error message when trying to build
[09:00] <geser> which one?
[09:01] <Seeker`> dpkg-buildpackage: source package is eterm
[09:01] <Seeker`> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is <IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1
[09:01] <Seeker`> dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:01] <Seeker`> dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch <IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1
[09:01] <Seeker`>  fakeroot debian/rules clean
[09:01] <Seeker`> debian/rules:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: No such file or directory
[09:01] <Seeker`> debian/rules:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk: No such file or directory
[09:01] <Seeker`> make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk'. Stop.
[09:01] <geser> install cdbs
[09:02] <Adri2000> Seeker`: install cdbs, and you didn't create the source package
[09:02] <Adri2000> Seeker`: debuild -S -sa
[09:03] <geser> I use dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot
[09:06] <Seeker`> i need to generate a gpg key
[09:07] <geser> as long as you don't want to upload it you don't need one
[09:07] <geser> you need one if you want your packages reviewed on revu or once you are a motu to upload packages
[09:09] <Seeker`> it complains that it doesn't have a key though
[09:09] <Seeker`> so debuild doesn't run
[09:10] <Adri2000> Seeker`: -us -uc to not sign
[09:18] <Seeker`> so after i run merge-buildpackage, is that it?
[09:20] <geser> if you look inside merge-buildpackage you will see it calls dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa and your options
[09:21] <Seeker`> so it generates a deb file?
[09:22] <geser> no, a new diff.gz and .dsc (orig.tar.gz stays the same)
[09:22] <geser> aka a new source package
[09:22] <cbx33> hey guys when I try to remove totem-mozilla it wants to take ubuntu-desktop with it
[09:22] <cbx33> is this right behavior?
[09:23] <cbx33> I want mplayer as my plugin for mozilla
[09:23] <Seeker`> so what do i do now?
[09:25] <geser> you got a new diff.gz and .dsc?
[09:25] <geser> check if the merged package builds
[09:25] <geser> you need a pbuilder for feisty
[09:25] <geser> for this
[09:26] <cbx33> does removing ubuntu-desktop hurt anything?
[09:26] <cbx33> or is it just a meta pacakge?
[09:27] <geser> cbx33: it's a meta-package
[09:29] <joejaxx> anyone know how to kill a terminal instance inside of screen without typing exit?
[09:29] <cbx33> so would removing it uninstall other items too?
[09:29] <Seeker`> geser: How do i build it?
[09:29] <joejaxx> cbx33: nope
[09:29] <cbx33> ok
[09:29] <joejaxx> cbx33: it whould only uninstall the metapackage
[09:29] <cbx33> ok that's cool
[09:29] <cbx33> I just need the mozilla-mplayer plugin
[09:30] <cbx33> and the totem one seems to be overriding it
[09:30] <geser> Seeker`: have you a pbuilder for feisty already?
[09:30] <joejaxx> cbx33: yeah i removed totem as well
[09:30] <Seeker`> does it matter that i'm not running feisty at the moment?
[09:31] <geser> no, pbuilder uses a chroot to build packages
[09:31] <cbx33> I'd better get my chroot soon
[09:32] <geser> Seeker`: you can use pbuilder to build package for feisty while running edgy (or dapper)
[09:34] <Seeker`> how do i obtain pbuilder for feisty?
[09:36] <geser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingBasics describes it at the beginning
[09:36] <geser> you need to replace edgy with feisty
[09:37] <geser> it's from days as edgy was in development
[09:39] <geser> either install debootstrap from edgy-backports or install the deb for feisty
[09:41] <geser> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu8~edgy1_all.deb
[09:41] <geser> then "apt-get install pbuilder"
[09:42] <geser> then: sudo pbuilder create --distribution feisty --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty universe multiverse"
[09:44] <cbx33> geser: is the feisty script available?
[09:44] <cbx33> I noramlly have to modify the edgy script to make the feisty chroot
[09:45] <geser> it's in the backported version from feisty and in the version in feisty
[09:46] <Seeker`> right, its downloading loads of stuff now
[09:58] <Seeker`> geser: That has complete
[09:58] <Seeker`> d
[09:58] <superm1> hey imbrandon you around?
[09:59] <geser> Seeker`: now you can use it to test build your merged package on feisty: sudo pbuilder build path_to_the_new.dsc
[10:00] <Seeker`> ok
[10:00] <geser> if it succeeds you will find the deb in /var/cache/pbuilder/results/
[10:04] <Seeker`> yep, the deb is there
[10:05] <superm1> Seeker`, looks like geser lost his connection possibly
[10:05] <Seeker`> :(
[10:05] <superm1> were you just checking if a build worked?
[10:22] <Burgwork> hmm, webmin is being actively developed again
[10:25] <jdong> heh
[10:25] <jdong> that mean ubuntu packages for them will come back? :D
[10:25] <ajmitch> I hope not
[10:26] <Burgwork> hmm
[10:26] <ajmitch> I suspect the archive admins would throw a fit
[10:26] <Burgwork> probably
[10:27] <Seeker`> geser: the packages are there
[10:27] <superm1> hey jdong i was supposed to bug you some time back about getting around to backporting myth for dapper
[10:28] <jdong> superm1: yeah you were :)
[10:28] <superm1> well lets pretend that this is 3 weeks ago
[10:28] <jdong> ok
[10:28] <superm1> ..... jdong you got those packages going yet?
[10:28] <jdong> just tell me what needs to be done
[10:28] <jdong> I've already approved like 30 backports today, so another one couldn't hurt :D
[10:28] <superm1> hehe
[10:29] <superm1> well from what i remember there are two libraries that need to come with it
[10:29] <jdong> apologies to ubuntu-archive ahead of time :D
[10:29] <jdong> ok, which two
[10:29] <superm1> libraw1394 and something else
[10:29] <superm1> let me check the other one
[10:29] <jdong> export DIST=dapper
[10:29] <jdong> crap, you're not rxvt
[10:29] <superm1> and we determined that there weren't conflicts
[10:29] <geser> Seeker`: ok then you can create the debdiff: debdiff debian_version.dsc merged_version.dsc > debdiff
[10:29] <jdong> right, I remember that
[10:30] <jdong> superm1: which two libraries were they?
[10:30] <superm1> i'm lookin
[10:30] <jdong> :)
[10:30] <jdong> let's see if my core duo can answer that faster :)
[10:31] <superm1> libraw1394 and libiec61883
[10:31] <jdong> ok
[10:32] <Seeker`> geser: done that
[10:32] <geser> then file a bug against the source package, attach the debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to this bug and wait till it gets uploaded
[10:33] <Seeker`> do i just call the file "debdiff"?
[10:33] <geser> yes
[10:34] <Seeker`> and this is on launchpad?
[10:34] <geser> yes
[10:34] <jdong> superm1: see bug 51680
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 51680 in dapper-backports "MythTV v0.19" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/51680
[10:35] <jdong> superm1: your wish has been granted :)
[10:35] <superm1> spectacular :)
[10:35] <cbx33> mythtv was riddeled with bugs in edgy
[10:36] <jdong> cbx33: all my friends complain about dapper's mythtv too :)
[10:36] <cbx33> heh
[10:36] <cbx33> there is a lot of simple stuff
[10:36] <cbx33> like dirs not being created etc
[10:36] <superm1> cbx33, are you talking about mythweb particularly?
[10:36] <superm1> or about mythtv itself?
[10:36] <cbx33> nope
[10:36] <jdong> speaking of dirs not created
[10:36] <cbx33> mythtv-plugins
[10:36] <jdong> there's another backport request I needed to look at
[10:36] <cbx33> like dvd ip
[10:37] <cbx33> music rip
[10:37] <jdong> oh shoot....
[10:37] <jdong> smokeping!
[10:37] <superm1> cbx33, i'm gonna be changing the package for feisty to standardize all of the directories into a central /media/mythtv
[10:37] <superm1> i'll make sure directories are made for rips
[10:37] <superm1> and such
[10:38] <cbx33> nice
[10:38] <cbx33> you'll definitely have my vote
[10:38] <cbx33> would be nice if there was a way to backport that
[10:38] <cbx33> but alas there won;t be
[10:38] <cbx33> :(
[10:38] <superm1> yea, it will be for new package installs only
[10:38] <superm1> it would be such a mess elsewise
[10:38] <cbx33> oh yeh
[10:38] <cbx33> I know
[10:39] <cbx33> I think I sorted most of the issues
[10:39] <cbx33> will there be a new upstream release of mythtv in feisty?
[10:39] <superm1> there are more 0.20 fixes that will be put on
[10:39] <superm1> but not a newer upstream persay
[10:39] <cbx33> :(
[10:39] <cbx33> hehe
[10:40] <Seeker`> geser: What shall I put on the description / summary?
[10:40] <superm1> if you are running into any other issues though, feel free to add them to the todo list for the mythtvteam page
[10:40] <superm1> or ping me
[10:40] <cbx33> cheers superm1 I'll do that
[10:40] <cbx33> I wanted a nice mythtv box setup at my house
[10:40] <cbx33> but the pc I have in mind is too noisy to make ite viable at the mometn
[10:40] <Burgwork> personally, I think elisa is more interesting, but is currently alpha
[10:40] <superm1> ah
[10:41] <geser> Seeker`: it's up to you but I put there [Merge]  and the package name and version
[10:41] <cbx33> elisa?
[10:41] <Burgwork> http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/
[10:41] <superm1> www.fluendo.com/elisa/
[10:41] <superm1> almost beat ya :)
[10:41] <cbx33> hehe
[10:42] <Burgwork> builds on gstreamer, rather than replicating the entire stack, as mythtv does
[10:42] <Burgwork> not quite feature-comparable yet and much younder, but has paid devs
[10:42] <cbx33> hmm
[10:42] <Seeker`> geser: shall I just paste the debdiff into the further information?
[10:43] <geser> better attach it
[10:43] <geser> you can attach it once you filed the bug
[10:44] <superm1> jdong, so after this gets built for backports, i'll have to bug you for another 2 months for mythplugins to backport too right :)
[10:44] <jdong> superm1: argh, I knew there was a second half to this
[10:44] <superm1> hehe
[10:44] <jdong> superm1: can we just get this over with now?
[10:44] <jdong> :)
[10:45] <geser> Seeker`: see bug 73795 for an example from me
[10:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73795 in libopensync-plugin-evolution2 "[Merge]  libopensync-plugin-evolution2 0.19-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/73795
[10:45] <superm1> should also build cleanly since i build dapper deps from edgy source on them and host them on my own repository
[10:45] <superm1> all builddeps are in dapper
[10:46] <geser> Seeker`: but there is no policy how those bugs should look like
[10:46] <jdong> superm1: ok, if you're confident I'll just directly approve mythplugins too?
[10:47] <superm1> yea i'm confident
[10:47] <jdong> superm1: ok, done deal
[10:47] <superm1> awesome, that was a lot less painful then i expected ;)
[10:47] <cbx33> heheh
[10:47] <cbx33> w00t!
[10:48] <joejaxx> superm1: haha why?
[10:49] <superm1> for 0.20 debs on people who dont want to move up to edgy, i'm the only repo i've really seen with them
[10:49] <joejaxx> superm1: oh ok
[10:49] <joejaxx> :P
[10:49] <cbx33> superm1: you're a repo?
[10:49] <cbx33> damn clever repo ;)
[10:49] <superm1> haha
[10:49] <joejaxx> anyone know why hald whould be hanging up on install?
[10:49] <joejaxx> Setting up hal (<IP_ADDRESS>-3ubuntu5) ... * Reloading system message bus config...                                                                             [ OK ]   * Starting Hardware abstraction layer hald
[10:50] <jdong> joejaxx: are you trying to start a hald in chroot?
[10:50] <joejaxx> jdong: yeap
[10:50] <jdong> hmm
[10:50] <joejaxx> jdong: it works fine when you do it manually
[10:50] <jdong> interesting
[10:50] <joejaxx> but not when you install the package
[10:50] <joejaxx> which is what i need it to do
[10:51] <Seeker`> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/eterm/+bug/73829
[10:51] <joejaxx> ohhhh
[10:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73829 in eterm "[Merge]  eterm_<IP_ADDRESS>debian1-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:51] <joejaxx> nevermind
[10:51] <Seeker`> is that right?
[10:51] <joejaxx> jdong: it just takes a while
[10:51] <joejaxx> it continued :D
[10:51] <jdong> joejaxx: ha :)
[10:51] <joejaxx> jdong: yeah like more than 3 minutes a while
[10:51] <joejaxx> 5*
[10:51] <jdong> joejaxx: heh, the fun of chroots :)
[10:51] <joejaxx> oh darn
[10:52] <joejaxx> i do not want xorg to ask me the resolution
[10:52] <jdong> like how kde compiles, uic tries to open up network sockets
[10:52] <joejaxx> :(
[10:52] <joejaxx> jdong: haha
[10:52] <jdong> leading to like 10 second delays between every command
[10:52] <superm1> jdong, the only catch that i can see with the plugins, the regular mythtv package will have to arrive first as its a dep for the plugins - so as long as the build queue doesn't build them simultaneously, things will build fine
[10:52] <jdong> ktorrent compiles in like 5% of the time out of chroot than in pbuilder :)
[10:52] <jdong> superm1: the buildds handle that gracefully
[10:52] <joejaxx> jdong: lol
[10:52] <jdong> superm1: it'll sit in DEP-WAIT
[10:52] <joejaxx> Errors were encountered while processing: acpid acpi-support powermanagement-interface
[10:53] <joejaxx> hmm
[10:53] <superm1> jdong, good good
[10:53] <joejaxx> jdong: that happened on feisty
[10:53] <joejaxx> those errors
[10:53] <jdong> mmm
[10:53] <joejaxx> in a chroot of course :)
[10:54] <jdong> I haven't touched my feisty chroot/pbuilder at all yet... so yeah... :D
[10:54] <joejaxx> jdong: :P
[10:54] <jdong> I only touch it once in a while to see what happens if I overload my tmpfs build environment
[10:54] <geser> Seeker`: yes, everything right
[10:54] <jdong> and I learned to make a few extra swapfiles :)
[10:55] <joejaxx> :)
[10:56] <lotusleaf> Will this bug prevent kdar/dar from making it into Feisty? It sounds pretty nasty: "I am wondering what will happen with KDar in Feisty. Will it be dropped from the distribution? I don't think that downgrading 'dar' is an option and I don't know the degree of compatibility of archives created by different dar versions." https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdar/+bug/62699
[10:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62699 in kdar "[edgy]  wrong dependencies in kdar" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:56] <Seeker`> geser: Thanks for all of your help
[10:56] <geser> Seeker`: np
[11:04] <cbx33> LaserJock: dude
[11:05] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:05] <LaserJock> I'm just waiting for the uni IT guys to get here to give me a sound lashing
[11:06] <geser> LaserJock: could you resolve your network problem?
[11:06] <LaserJock> geser, in a way
[11:07] <LaserJock> I found out my 2 Ubuntu boxes were hacked into
[11:07] <geser> ouch
[11:07] <joejaxx> jdong:
[11:07] <joejaxx> /etc/init.d/acpid start * Starting ACPI services...                                                                                acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy
[11:07] <joejaxx> :D
[11:07] <LaserJock> geser, very much so since they are uni computers
[11:07] <joejaxx> jdong: fun stuff
[11:08] <jdong> joejaxx: you can't start two acpid's
[11:08] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :(
[11:08] <jdong> joejaxx: why are you installing hal daemon in chroot anyway?
[11:08] <joejaxx> jdong: livecd creation
[11:08] <geser> LaserJock: do you know how they get in?
[11:08] <LaserJock> geser, yeah
[11:08] <LaserJock> I set up a couple test users for a spec I was working on
[11:09] <LaserJock> not the best of passwords, stupidly
[11:09] <jdong> joejaxx: livecd _creation_?
[11:09] <joejaxx> jdong: yes
[11:09] <jdong> ah, I get it
[11:09] <jdong> well, there's a way to deactivate init.d for that
[11:09] <jdong> I don't remember how though :D
[11:09] <joejaxx> jdong: lol
[11:09] <superm1> LaserJock, any real damage done, did these users have superuser rights?
[11:10] <LaserJock> superm1, no, they didn't
[11:10] <LaserJock> but the hacker set up port scanners
[11:10] <joejaxx> jdong: :)
[11:10] <LaserJock> the uni put a mac block on my 1 machine last night
[11:10] <LaserJock> cause he was scanning https ports on 300,000 machines
[11:10] <superm1> wow
[11:11] <LaserJock> but we have the programs, bash_history, etc.
[11:11] <superm1> so i'm taking it your doing all public/private key authentication from this point forward when using ssh on your machines, even with test users :)?
[11:12] <LaserJock> I'm not going to allow any access outside my department network is what I"m going to do
[11:12] <LaserJock> that's what we usually do but for some reason I didn't set hosts.allow/hosts.deny on one computer
[11:12] <jdong> LaserJock: perhaps fail2ban would be a good addition too?
[11:13] <LaserJock> anyway, I guess the uni IT guy hate linux so this will just reinforce that :(
[11:13] <LaserJock> jdong: I'm certainly open to options now ;-)
[11:13] <jdong> LaserJock: start installing nmap for windows on all the windows boxes :D
[11:13] <LaserJock> I don't have any windows boxes
[11:14] <jdong> LaserJock: but seriously, fail2ban is pretty effective at deterring ssh brute forcing
[11:14] <superm1> you know i've determined that most people who "hate" linux, dont hate the OS, but are very stubborn and dont want to learn something new
[11:14] <jdong> and it's pretty brain-dead easy to install
[11:14] <jdong> namely apt-get install fail2ban :D
[11:14] <LaserJock> jdong: thanks for that tip, that sounds like exactly the type of thing I need
[11:15] <LaserJock> anyway, I had a grand plan of getting some revus and merges done today
[11:15] <LaserJock> but that's pretty shot
[11:16] <LaserJock> so that's my feisty and production machine down for the count :(
[11:19] <PriceChild> Could anyone check out the latest state of my xvidcap? Hobbse was happy with it... then wondered whether it needed pot something for rosetta....
[11:19] <PriceChild> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3582
[11:35] <superm1> jdong, good suggestion with fail2ban, i've been meaning to install denyhosts, but i think i like this better