[00:02] <popey> whats synergy?
[00:02] <Azelphur> popey: its like a network based kvm only no monitor
[00:03] <Azelphur> so its great for controlling more than 1 machine with 1 keyboard and mouse
[00:08] <Azelphur> hamitron: my pc just froze again
[00:08] <Azelphur> :(
[00:11] <dutchie> popey: seems to be only one minor release behind that mentioned on the web
[00:12] <dutchie> !info get-iplayer
[00:12] <dutchie> http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html "The latest version is v2.79"
[00:22] <popey> hmm
[00:24] <dutchie> (thanks for the reference btw)
[00:24] <dutchie> although if you particularly care, i can get round to sticking an updated version on my blog
[00:25] <popey> I use 2.79
[00:25] <popey> when i use it
[00:25] <popey> (rarely)
[00:25] <popey> well, it kinda just runs on my server, i never look at it
[00:25] <popey> and now bed
[00:25] <dutchie> night
[00:38] <exobuzz> xbmc has a nice iplayer plugin#
[00:38] <exobuzz> also doesnt use flash
[00:39] <exobuzz> (so can use any video acceleration if supported by hardware)
[00:40] <Azelphur> hehe, mythtv refuses to do that because bbc get smad.
[00:40] <exobuzz> ok get iplayer also doesnt use flash. but you can seek in xbmc
[00:40] <exobuzz> i aint heard a peep from the bbc yet. and if i did i would ignore it heh
[00:40] <Azelphur> they got the android app took down
[00:40] <exobuzz> i do the iplayer pluygin for xbmc these days. hence my comment
[00:41] <Azelphur> because it didn't use flash
[00:41] <exobuzz> yeh but its harder to take downa  bunch of source
[00:41] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:41] <Azelphur> I wish mythtv would support that stuff too
[00:41] <Azelphur> they won't do youtube and stuff out of piracy fears
[00:41] <exobuzz> even on my dekstop machine i use xbmc with iplayer instead of iplayer website
[00:41] <exobuzz> can do better bitrates out of the box
[00:41] <Azelphur> :P
[00:42] <exobuzz> and muhc less cpu/crashing of course
[00:42] <exobuzz> -typos
[00:42] <exobuzz> i had a couple of ales. sorry and new keyboard. its one of those at work here
[00:42] <exobuzz> keyboard of course.
[00:42] <exobuzz> ahem
[00:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:44]  * exobuzz is just waiting for new emgd drive for joggler so that xbmc works
[00:44] <exobuzz> *please*
[00:44] <exobuzz> drive-r
[00:45] <exobuzz> any day now im sure. or week. they said q1 2011 on a forum post
[00:45] <exobuzz> there is a beta in meego source tree
[00:45] <exobuzz> (which worked wirth xorg 1.9 - woo - like with maverick properly without downgrading x - but then 3d stuff did crash a little)
[00:46] <exobuzz> just a brain dump anyway.. tis late
[01:10] <ujjain> Hoi. I have a question. If I am well off the pace, does that mean I am slow or fast?
[01:10] <dutchie> usually slow
[01:11] <dutchie> would have thought that would be pretty clear from the context, but i don't think i've ever heard it used to mean you're ahead
[01:12] <ujjain> It was confusing for me. You´re well of the pace in all 3 sectors.
[01:12] <ujjain> I thought it was a compliment, but I am no sure anymore. Probably not.
[01:13] <dutchie> well do ou think that you are doing well or not?
[01:14] <ujjain> Lewis Hamilton well off the pace in Australian GP practice | Sport ...
[01:14] <ujjain> 27 Mar 2009 ... Lewis Hamilton finished the second practice in 18th,
[01:14] <ujjain> It´s probably bad.
[01:15] <ujjain> I was not doing that well, so makes sense. I just thought ´well of the pace´ sounded like a complimnt in the first place.
[01:16] <dutchie> i can only apologise for our language :)
[01:16] <ujjain> Thanks :p
[05:48] <HazRPG> morning
[06:30] <Compacthack> Morning all
[06:31] <Compacthack> Given up on installing 10.10 on My Macbook Air via USB key, ordered an external USB DVD drive from apple
[06:35] <HazRPG> Compacthack: heh, you could have tried installing it via network if you have a regular desktop
[06:36] <HazRPG> Compacthack: what happens when you try installing it from USB anyways?
[06:37] <Compacthack> Can't boot onto the live usb key, so you have to copy the usb key to a partition
[06:37] <Compacthack> then boot into that partition
[06:38] <shauno> I had the same problem on my mbp (long story short, I don't have an optical drive anymore).  I ended up using vmware's raw disk access to install it in vmware, but onto a real partition
[06:39] <Compacthack> Interesting so its not just the MBA,
[06:40] <Compacthack> I can boot and run the installer, but apparently it has a bug, when you try and alter partitions that are on the same physical drive as the install partition it gets upset
[06:40] <Compacthack> Got 10.10 in virtualbox, but would like that native feel and touch.
[06:43] <HazRPG> hmm, it could just be the partitioning scheme that Mac's use
[06:44] <HazRPG> have you tried looking for a guide or tutorial or something on how to install ubuntu onto a MacBook Air
[06:44] <HazRPG> oh wait
[06:44] <HazRPG> just read your first part
[06:44] <HazRPG> hmmm... have you tried changing the BIOS to let it boot from USB?
[06:45] <shauno> there is no bios
[06:45] <HazRPG> or do you have an option at the BIOS that tells you "press ... to select boot drive" or similar
[06:45] <Knightdroid> Morning
[06:45] <Compacthack> the guide has big holes in it,
[06:45] <Compacthack> unfortunately
[06:46] <HazRPG> ah but there will be somehow - it'll just be hidden with a splash screen to stop people tampering
[06:46] <shauno> nope.  literally no bios.  it uses EFI instead
[06:50] <Compacthack> after a lot of digging in the forum I found that you can issue a unmount followed by a pile of switches and you can get through. But I thought for $83AUD I'll bit the bullet
[06:51] <HazRPG> Compacthack: have you tried this for example: http://www.ehow.com/how_6178465_boot-air-usb-external-drive.html
[06:56] <Compacthack> Thats very interesting, I think this was written pre the current vers of MBA, maybe if I did this, and installed the OS on an external drive the copied the installed OS onto a partition on the SSD then used rEFIt to boot into that partition
[06:57] <Compacthack> after reading that again, I think they are talking about a usb external drive as an external CD drive?
[06:57] <Compacthack> "Turn your laptop back on and insert the installation CD for the system  software you wish to use when booting from the external drive.
[06:57] <Compacthack> Read more:  How to Boot a MacBook Air From a USB External Drive | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_6178465_boot-air-usb-external-drive.html#ixzz1C1mulAKW
[06:57] <Compacthack> "
[07:02] <HazRPG> yeah they are, however I think the same would apply for any USB bootable device
[07:04] <Compacthack> I thought too, but surprise surprise I think Apple have locked it down!
[07:04] <Compacthack> Maybe they want to sell more of there USB-DVD drives
[07:06] <shauno> heh.  trust me, dvd drives is not where their profit comes from :)
[07:14] <shauno> if the installer freaks out trying to alter partitions on the disk it's running from, have you tried setting the partitions up from within osx first, and then just skipping fdisk in the installer?
[07:24]  * HazRPG agrees with shauno
[07:45] <Compacthack> Yep, have set paritions sizes in OSX, the installer won't even just format them, but the strange thing is that if you drop out of the installer and just run the system live you can use gparted to create, format the swap and ext4 root, but the installer still freaks out
[07:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/01/24/italy_consumers_sue_microsoft/
[07:56]  * Neoti has now purchased http://www.ebuyer.com/product/251310 with some additions, sata raid 1 mirror card with extra 1TB hdd and a Nvidia Geforce 9000 Dual Headed graphics card with HDMI out Plus 2 x Samsung Black 22" monitors.... Should be a beat when its working with Ubuntu 64Bit edition...
[07:56] <Neoti> Hey all
[08:15] <Myrtti> Neoti: have you checked the raid card works in linux?
[08:16] <Myrtti> though I haven't checked the latest hardware compatibility efforts too closely
[08:31] <DJones> Morning all
[08:35] <Compacthack> Morning DJones
[08:39] <DJones> Hi Compacthack
[08:45] <popey> Neoti: i agree with Myrtti. chances are that any sata raid card you buy from ebuyer under 100 quid will be fakeraid
[08:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:04] <DJones> Heya MooDoo
[09:11] <wintellect> Mornin
[09:32] <gord> http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php the colours kind of remind me of somewhere else...
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> gord: still no 2.3 :(
[09:33] <Myrtti> atleast I have 2.2.2 now
[09:33] <Myrtti> got it yesterday, finally
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: But I want 2.3.x! :'(
[09:34] <Myrtti> sure, so do I, but I can only assume that 2.2.2 might have been a bug fix update that precedes 2.3
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> I want a countdown website
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> like Ubuntu has!
[09:36] <Myrtti> good luck with getting that ;]
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: yeah not even Googlers know
[09:45] <Neoti1> hey all im now back at my computer at work ...
[09:45] <Neoti1> thanks for the comments about the raid card... i think it works
[09:45] <Neoti1> though not sure ...
[09:46] <Neoti1> if it dont work... well hay... any one need a raid card and a 1 TB hard drive ? lol
[09:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:54] <DJones> Greetings czajkowski
[09:55]  * Neoti1 just had to correct someone else's fooked up PHP code for creating files ... argh!!!! if you don't know what your doing leave me code alone!!!!!!!!!
[09:56] <Neoti1> howdy czajkowski hows things
[10:03] <czajkowski> Neoti1: not sooo bad
[10:16] <popey> Neoti: which raid card did you get in the end?
[10:16] <popey> anyone on natty fancy confirming bug 707320
[10:16]  * popey pokes gord
[10:18] <gord> bit busy trying to get places in for A2, sorry :(
[10:19] <popey> ok, nw
[10:21] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[11:01] <Neoti1> popey : i have chosen the starview raid card
[11:01] <davmor2> morning all
[11:01] <Neoti1> popey : http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123967
[11:02] <popey> Neoti1: that will be fakeraid
[11:02] <popey> almost entirely worthless
[11:02] <directhex> not worthless, just not a raid controller
[11:02] <popey> hence "almost"
[11:02] <directhex> no difference between it & a bare sata controller
[11:03] <directhex> remember the old rocketraid resistor trick?
[11:03] <popey> no
[11:03] <popey> did that "upgrade" your raid card?
[11:03] <directhex> popey, turned a bare ide controller into a raid card :)
[11:03] <popey> hah
[11:04] <Neoti1> popey : when it turns up i will install the other 1TB drive create a mirror and let you know ....
[11:04] <popey> i wouldn't do that
[11:04] <popey> is it only going to run Linux?
[11:04] <popey> i.e. no windows?
[11:05] <Neoti1> i have lernd from experiance that mirror raid on a standard desktop is price less ... as i have lost loads of databefore and im not doign that again so i have desided to mirror the drives and if one drive fails at least i can replace it and rebuild the array and not lose any data ... well thats the plan
[11:05] <popey> I am not saying RAID is not good to have
[11:05] <Neoti1> popey i will have  ubuntu 64bit on there
[11:05] <popey> Just that you haven't bought a RAID card
[11:06] <Neoti1> well if its not raid then they are about to be sued : Product Description
[11:06] <Neoti1> You get four RAID-ready internal Serial ATA ports for your high performance Serial ATA hard drives. Whether you need Striping (RAID 0), Mirroring (RAID 1), or both (RAID 0+1), this card has you covered. The PCISATA4R1 also supports RAID 1+S (Mirrored-Sparing), which automatically replaces a failed hard drive and rebuilds the system if a booting hard drive fails.
[11:06] <popey> it's not hardware raid, it's fakeraid
[11:06] <popey> !fakeraid
[11:06] <popey> read that :)
[11:06]  * tugrik cries
[11:07] <tugrik> I learnt about fakeraid the hard way
[11:07] <popey> fakeraid cards are in effect software raid
[11:07] <popey> your cpu will be doing the work
[11:07] <tugrik> with the added fun of some of them not being supported by linux
[11:07] <popey> and as such you might as well use linux kernel md software raid
[11:07] <tugrik> in fact maybe all of them ?
[11:07] <Neoti1> ok ... recommend a good raid card for me to use ? and when this one turns up i will return it back to them ...
[11:07] <popey> they are now tugrik
[11:07] <popey> Neoti1: I'd use software raid
[11:07] <popey> linux md raid
[11:07] <popey> !raid
[11:08] <tugrik> really?  I set up a box over Christmas and fakeraid didn't appear to be supported then
[11:08] <Neoti1> !argh
[11:08] <popey> oh, same links :)
[11:08] <popey> tugrik: maybe it didnt have dmraid module /package installed?
[11:08] <popey> Neoti1: if you really want a decent raid card, go for anything over 100 quid :)
[11:08] <popey> lsi, adaptec.. 3ware
[11:08] <popey> any of those should be fine
[11:09] <matti> ;]
[11:09] <matti> popey: ;]
[11:09] <popey> matti: got a playbook yet? :)
[11:11] <matti> popey: No.
[11:11] <popey> :(
[11:11] <matti> popey: I am no longer with RIM ;]
[11:11] <popey> oh, i didnt realise
[11:11] <matti> popey: No worries ;)
[11:11] <popey> good ;)
[11:11] <matti> popey: I moved to Greenwich and work for Puppet Labs / Pinetec Limited (mcollective guys) / eBay / Gumtree etc ...
[11:12] <popey> nice
[11:12] <matti> popey: Its a small consultancy owned by a friend.
[11:12] <matti> popey: So, now I do everything and nothing ;]
[11:12] <matti> popey: Good fun ;]
[11:12] <popey> haha
[11:12] <matti> popey: I am also trying out myself in a role of senior... having dudes under me...
[11:12] <matti> popey: Learning how to trust people and how to delegate is the hardest...
[11:12] <Neoti1> ah i have heard alot of good things about 3ware i will order one of those i think ...
[11:13] <Neoti1> will let you know
[11:13]  * matti is not really a people person either.
[11:13] <Neoti1> although adaptec are a bit cheaper ..
[11:13] <Neoti1> humm
[11:13] <matti> popey: If you fancy a coffee at some point, let me know ;] Coffee on me ;]
[11:13]  * Neoti1 ponders about 3ware or adaptec.....
[11:13] <popey> \o/
[11:13] <matti> ivanka: hey ;]
[11:14]  * DJones notes that coffee has been mentioned and wonders where brobostigan is?
[11:14] <matti> popey: But I have to admit, that the workload has indeed increased ;p I cannot slack whole day "compiling" ;p
[11:14] <ivanka> hi Matti
[11:14] <directhex> Neoti, only some adaptec cards are real raid
[11:14] <matti> directhex: Hey :)
[11:14] <directhex> Neoti, rule of thumb: only buy a card with a heatsink on it!
[11:14] <devush> planning to run 10.10 on mac-air with virtual box.  any concerns?
[11:14] <matti> ivanka: All good up there high in the sky at Millibank?
[11:14] <markjones> DJones, yes, i wonder where he is too
[11:15] <devush> i had currently 10.10 on vmware player under windows.
[11:15] <matti> ivanka: Pass my regards on jpds if/when you see him :)
[11:15] <devush> i will move it to mac-ar.
[11:15] <matti> jpds: :)
[11:15] <devush> mac-air i mean
[11:16] <ivanka> matti: just got in so it is too soon to tell :-) Will pass on regards as and when the opportunity arises
[11:16] <markjones> devush, should run fine in a VM
[11:16] <matti> ivanka: Thanks :)
[11:16] <czajkowski> ivanka: aloha there! long time no see
[11:17] <devush> ok. basically i want to run ubuntu as i always do, but taking the mac as it is very light. could not see any alternative. probably later on i will give try to get it directly on mac-air.
[11:18] <devush> i heard there are issues in installing it on mac-air. especially booting it from the external drive etc. so called bootcamp also does not works with ubuntu i heard.
[11:18] <popey> devush: i run ubuntu on my mac
[11:18] <popey> devush: its not perfect
[11:18] <popey> i use bootcamp
[11:18] <devush> popey, how you installed.
[11:18] <devush> ok.
[11:19] <markjones> I used Virtualbox
[11:19] <popey> i used bootcamp to partition the drive up, and then installed refit to give me a boot loader
[11:19] <popey> then installed ubuntu on the second partition
[11:19] <popey> its a macbook pro
[11:19] <devush> not perfect. is it better to run on the VM then. I will be doing java developement with eclispe etc. i will have 4GB macair.
[11:19] <popey> define "better" :)
[11:20] <devush> as there is no DVD etc. drive on mac-air. i heard that only the mac DVD drive can boot from other OS. So i am not sure, how i will boot from ubuntu to install it.
[11:21] <popey> ah yes, dunno how it works on the macbook air
[11:21] <czajkowski> *sigh* today is not going well
[11:21] <czajkowski> :(
[11:22] <devush> thanks anyway. i will update once i will get the mac delivered.
[11:22] <Neoti1> ok 3ware it is
[11:23] <markjones> devush, you do know that you can install ubuntu via a USB Drive?
[11:23] <popey> markjones: how do you get the mac to boot from usb?
[11:24] <ivanka> czajkowski: hello hello!
[11:24] <ivanka> czajkowski: are you better today?
[11:24] <markjones> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1948
[11:24] <popey> ta
[11:25] <popey> hang on
[11:25] <markjones> specifically: connect the device, restart, and immediately press and hold the Option key to access Startup Manager.
[11:25] <popey> thats for booting osx
[11:25] <popey> ahhh
[11:25] <popey> but it needs to be specially formatted?
[11:25] <popey> gpt
[11:25] <czajkowski> ivanka: yup a lot thanks. How are things with you ?
[11:26] <devush> markjones, i will try. but i heard only the MAC provided USB drives works for the booting other OS.
[11:26] <devush> popey, yes you are correct.
[11:27] <devush> current and the new mac-air etc. supports osx and through bootcamp win7.  and if you can afford to get the mac-DVD drive, then you can boot iso images like ubuntu.
[11:27] <ivanka> czajkowski: glad to hear it. Things are pretty hectic as usual but I am managing to keep my head (well, my nose at least!) above water :-)
[11:28] <devush> i asked earlier also. is there anybody with HP Tx2. i have issues and problems with mouse with 10.10.  reverting back to 10.04 works fine. has to do with touchscreen and mouse combination.
[11:30] <Neoti1> who was it who put me on the XBMC .....
[11:30] <Neoti1> i am using it and the XBMC remote control for andriod just wanted more info on it,
[11:30] <markjones> devush, tried an older kernel?
[11:30] <czajkowski> ivanka: excellent to hear
[11:31] <devush> no. never thought of it.
[11:31] <markjones> that seemd to fix my wireless driver issue
[11:31] <devush> is that to replace after the installation. or is there another image for 10.10
[11:32] <markjones> when you boot grub, it gives you the option to hit escape, choose a kernel from there
[11:34] <markjones> it usually gives you 2 seconds to ht escape, then boots normally
[11:35] <devush> markjones, thanks, i noticed that. i will give the try.
[11:35] <markjones> no problem
[12:06]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski you need some camomile tea to help easy your muscles down :)
[12:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: I dont run PPA on work macine
[12:08] <gord> i just watched a video of gnome shells daily build from yesterday, haven't really paid attention since GUADEC... i mean, i don't want to sound petty, but at this point i'm pretty sure they could use unity's translation strings even
[12:09] <davmor2> gord: oh where the video at please
[12:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: What?
[12:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: dont want to install LO on work machine
[12:10] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-iROFqNho&feature=player_embedded
[12:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't think I asked you too honest
[12:45] <Myrtti> while true; do rsync -avuz --progress  ~/.minecraft/saves/World1 ~/.minecraft/tarbackup; tar cvjf ~/.minecraft/minecraft-`date +%s`-world1.tar.bz2 ~/.minecraft/tarbackup;echo "done for now";sleep 30m;done \o/
[12:46] <popey> :)
[12:47] <jpds> Wouldn't cron do it better?
[12:47] <Myrtti> I don't want it to be chugging when I'm not playing
[12:47] <Myrtti> useless overhead
[12:48] <popey> check for the lock file before tarring it up?
[12:48] <popey> if the lock file is there, you're playing
[12:49] <Myrtti> this was about the best I could do with my concentration potential of an earthworm I currently have
[12:49] <gord> i have had bad experiences with things reading the minecraft save files whilst its running, can corrupt all your saves
[12:49] <popey> i might just take a daily snapshot
[12:49] <gord> minecraft save directories are fun like that
[12:51] <popey> i cant figure out how to turn dirt into farmland
[12:51] <Myrtti> with a hoe?
[12:51] <popey> i see someone else (hamitron?) has, and i fed his wheat which is now fully grown
[12:51] <popey> i must be doing it wrong
[12:51] <popey> it just digs the dirt up
[12:51] <Myrtti> you are doing it wrong
[12:51] <Myrtti> use it like you'd put torches up
[12:52] <Myrtti> or build stuff
[12:52] <popey> doh
[12:52] <popey> right click!
[12:52] <Myrtti> yeah.
[12:52] <popey> thank you!
[12:52] <Myrtti> np
[12:52]  * Myrtti still thinks #ubuntu-uk-minecraft would be in order ;-)
[12:52] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:52]  * popey joins
[12:53] <shauno> Myrtti: glad you cleared that up, actually.  just flicked past, and for a moment, thought they were talking about farmville :/
[12:53] <Myrtti> shauno: oh no, now you've ruined it for me
[12:54] <Myrtti> these germans have funky drinks
[12:54] <brobostigon> elaborate Myrtti ?
[12:55] <brobostigon> please.
[12:55] <Myrtti> carbonated apple juice, Volvic water with peach ice tea flavour
[12:55] <brobostigon> yep.
[12:55] <Myrtti> I wasn't too much into the lager with the lime lemon flavour
[12:55] <Myrtti> I'm not a lager person.
[12:56] <brobostigon> urghh. ingermany it would be a pilsner, lager doesnt exist in germany by law,
[12:56] <brobostigon> and cant exist, because of how its made nd lagers ingrediants.
[12:57] <Myrtti> well whatever that tastes like lager
[12:57] <brobostigon> ok. no worries.
[12:58] <Myrtti> I'm not a beer person :-D
[12:58] <brobostigon> :)
[12:58] <brobostigon> i am not a lager man, but i do like a good pilsner.
[12:58] <czajkowski> awww I like the iecraft chater
[12:58] <czajkowski> tis amusing
[12:59] <Myrtti> czajkowski: I'm sure it'll still be here ;-)
[13:00] <davmor2> Myrtti: no what you need is an ubuntu-uk minecraft server :D
[13:00] <brobostigon> davmor2: doesnt popey have that already, :)
[13:00] <czajkowski> Myrtti: :D
[13:01] <davmor2> brobostigon: no idea
[13:01] <Myrtti> I might suggest setting up a minecraft server to my workmates
[13:01] <Myrtti> since they play online poker and stuff every fortnight
[13:01] <brobostigon> davmor2: popeydc.dyndns.org, or similer i believe.
[13:01] <Myrtti> I've not yet found a game that I'd enjoy playing with them, but minecraft is nice
[13:46] <Gringo> HI guys i need help anything simple to get my soundcard working? i have no sound at all voulume is turned up etc i have just installed ubuntu my soundcard is Realtek ALC887
[13:47] <davmor2> Gringo: do you have a Graphics card with hdmi out?
[13:48] <brobostigon> Gringo: have you checked with lshw and lspci to see if its being recognised.
[13:48] <Gringo> no hdmi and have no idea what lshw is im quite new to ubuntu plus all the commands
[13:49] <Gringo> my gfx card is 8800GT
[13:49] <brobostigon> Gringo: can you open a terminal please.
[13:49] <Gringo> sure
[13:50] <brobostigon> Gringo: sudo lshw    ,and see if its lists your soundcard,
[13:51] <Gringo> escription: Audio device
[13:51] <Gringo>              product: N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
[13:51] <Gringo>              vendor: Intel Corporation
[13:51] <Gringo>              physical id: 1b
[13:51] <Gringo>              bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
[13:51] <Gringo>              version: 01
[13:51] <Gringo>              width: 64 bits
[13:51] <Gringo>              clock: 33MHz
[13:52] <Gringo>              capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
[13:52] <Gringo>              configuration: driver=HDA Intel latency=0
[13:52] <Gringo>              resources: irq:16 memory:fdff8000-fdffbfff
[13:52] <Gringo> opps sorry for spamming
[13:52] <Myrtti> pastebin is a friend
[13:53] <brobostigon> Gringo: thats good, it knows your soundcard exists, ok, try "alsamixer" in terminal and seeif  its showingy the right volumecontrols.
[13:54] <Gringo> cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
[13:56] <cps> afternoon peeps :)
[13:56] <brobostigon> Gringo: hmm, ok. sorry to have to ask you to do this, but try "dmesg" interminal andlook forsoundcard errors, its going spit out alot of output.
[13:58] <Gringo> my soundcard works fine on windows 7, what im i looking for? will it say error?
[13:58] <Gringo> whats the pastebin link?
[13:58] <brobostigon> Gringo: itwill mention your seound device, which you found with lshw.
[13:58] <brobostigon> !pastebin
[13:59] <brobostigon> Gringo: sorry about this, real life calls.
[13:59] <brobostigon> Gringo: there loads ofpeoplehere whocanhelp you further,
[13:59] <Gringo> thats ok i appreciate your help  http://paste.ubuntu.com/558119/
[14:00] <brobostigon> sorry, :)
[14:00]  * brobostigon prods cps
[14:04] <Gringo> any idea guys?
[14:05] <davmor2> Gringo: do you have a headset for skype plugged in at all?
[14:06] <Gringo> i have a headset but not plugged in
[14:06] <davmor2> Gringo: just trying to rule out the obvious first
[14:06] <cps> brobostigon: hey :)
[14:06] <Gringo> i have just the green socket connected, which connected to my sub
[14:07] <Gringo> no sorry, green connects to my monitor
[14:07] <Gringo> and a lead from my monitor connect to my sub
[14:13] <bigcalm> Hi peeps
[14:13] <Gringo> any ideas?
[14:15] <brobostigon> back.
[14:15] <brobostigon> cps: :)
[14:15] <cps> wb brobostigon :)
[14:16] <Gringo> brobostigon did you see the pastebin? wb
[14:17] <brobostigon> Gringo: let me scroll up and get it.
[14:17] <brobostigon> got it
[14:19] <brobostigon> Gringo: do you have several soundcards/chips like onboard for example.
[14:20] <Gringo> my soundcard is on board and thats the only 1 i have which works spot on with windows 7
[14:20] <brobostigon> imean at all,working or not.
[14:21] <Gringo> no i dont just 1 soundcard
[14:21] <brobostigon> ok.
[14:22] <Gringo> how come that alsa mixer didnt work?
[14:22] <brobostigon> thats weird,because the kernel is loading hda, which is for intel sound.
[14:22] <brobostigon> when yours is realtek.
[14:23] <Gringo> when i type alsamixer i get this ...    cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument
[14:23] <brobostigon> Gringo: not sure,  seems alsa either cant pickup the mixer, or the soundcard as a while is working somehow. i think.
[14:24] <brobostigon> Gringo: try "sudo alsamixer"
[14:24] <Gringo> same message
[14:28] <Neoti|work> hey all
[14:28] <Neoti|work> dam work computer crashed on me
[14:29] <brobostigon> Gringo: what is your sound card model again, please.
[14:30] <brobostigon> afternoonings Neoti|work
[14:30] <Neoti|work> afternoon
[14:30] <Gringo> Realtek ALC887
[14:31] <Neoti|work> i just put xbmc on my pc and am controlling it from my andriod phone ... how cool is that ...
[14:31] <brobostigon> Gringo: so why is lshw sounding it as a intel,syou pasted earlier.
[14:31] <Gringo> no idea
[14:32] <Gringo> not sure if thats the model or what but i have gigabyte onboard sound and io think this is the card Intel N10/ICH 7
[14:32] <popey> oooer, windows key opens up unity bar now!
[14:32] <popey> popey approves
[14:33] <brobostigon> i did askearlier if you hadmore than one sound card/cipearlier andyou said no.
[14:33] <brobostigon> chip*
[14:33] <Gringo> i only have 1 soundcard  i built this pc buddy and trust me i only have 1 soundcard the one thats built in
[14:34] <brobostigon> popey: any ideas ?
[14:34] <popey> hmm?
[14:34] <brobostigon> Gringo: i am not sure, sorry. i dont know how to proceed.
[14:34] <Gringo> neither do i lol
[14:35] <Gringo> i had a look at this but cant get it to work http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1661716
[14:36] <brobostigon> popey: sorry, any ideas on Gringo's issue.
[14:37] <popey> nope, sorry
[14:37] <czajkowski> Myrtti: you mind find this useful  http://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/29910175720669185
[14:41] <Gringo> how can i get alsamixer working?
[14:42] <brobostigon> Gringo: its a moreunderlying issue, maybe with alsa itself.
[14:42] <brobostigon> or the underlying drivers.
[14:42] <Gringo> back to windows 7 then...
[14:42] <Gringo> thanx for your help anyway.
[14:42] <brobostigon> Gringo: i am sure it canbe fixed, justgret holdof the right people.
[14:43] <Gringo> any other chat room i can check?
[14:44] <brobostigon> Gringo: for example, maybe youneed totellalsa whichsound card/chip to use.i wouldpop over to the main ubuntu room.
[14:44] <brobostigon> i ont know if there is an alsa irc room.
[14:44] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[14:44] <brobostigon> yes.
[14:45] <brobostigon> itmight be quite busy, sobe patient.
[14:57] <gord> makes me sad that there is no package for Boodler :( http://boodler.org
[15:11] <Neoti|work> !ubuntu
[15:11] <Neoti|work> thought id do that for the hell of it ...
[15:13] <popey> :)
[15:13] <kazade> afternoon everyone
[15:14] <popey> lo
[15:14] <kazade> how's things popey ?
[15:14] <popey> meh
[15:14] <popey> lua
[15:14] <Azelphur> I did some electronics and I didn't break it \o/
[15:14] <popey> comments?
[15:15] <kazade> lua?
[15:15] <kazade> as in the scripting language?
[15:15] <popey> yes
[15:15] <popey> and Love
[15:15] <kazade> never tried it :)
[15:16] <kazade> I don't suppose anyone knows how to get a Gtk+ progress bar to redraw itself?
[15:16] <Azelphur> popey: MattJ is very into LUA (and XMPP)
[15:17] <Azelphur> from what I understand it's comparable to python
[15:17] <popey> ta
[15:18] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[15:32] <Gringo> #ubuntu
[15:49] <X3N> kazade: why do you need to redraw it?
[15:50] <popey> X3N: you on the loco contacts list?
[15:51] <X3N> nope
[15:51] <popey> you should be
[15:51] <kazade> X3N, well, I have a progress bar on a form, and I have a loop that does stuff. If I create a progress bar and set it to pulse, it won't get redrawn until after the loop (thus missing the point)
[15:51] <kazade> I'm guessing I need to either redraw during the loop, or move the loop into another thread
[15:51] <popey> X3N: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2011-January/005179.html could you ping dholbach some one-line answers to those?
[15:51] <popey> or daviey
[15:52] <gord> kazade, as long as you are blocking the glib mainloop with your loop, it won't be able to run
[15:53] <gord> kazade, so yes, either move your loop into a different thread or convert it to a gsource based loop
[15:53] <X3N> popey: I think that's more of a Daviey thing as elected contact n'all
[15:54]  * X3N cop-out #1
[15:57] <X3N> I'll do it actually, shouldn't take a minute
[16:21]  * AlanBell has HAGGIS \o/
[16:21]  * BigRedS struggles to feign envy
[16:23]  * dutchie is missing haggis to go and see a talk on AI by Eliezer Yudkowsky
[16:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[16:45] <BigRedS> G'morning brobostigon!
[16:45] <brobostigon> hey BigRedS :)
[16:45] <BigRedS> morning! How's it going
[16:45] <BigRedS> ?
[16:45] <brobostigon> BigRedS: not bad, my eczema is calming,the infection is going. how about you?
[16:45] <popey> X3N: sure
[16:46] <popey> AlanBell: jealous!
[16:46] <BigRedS> brobostigon: Whoop! I'm needlessly busy :/ Everything I do appears to be a tad more complex than it should be
[16:46] <X3N> popey: done it :)
[16:46] <brobostigon> BigRedS: hmm, challenging.
[16:46]  * popey hugs X3N
[16:47] <czajkowski> *poke*/c
[16:47] <czajkowski> grrr
[16:48] <MichealH> Hi all
[16:48] <MichealH> :)
[16:50] <BigRedS> brobostigon: yeah, it's like everything's working at just-a-bit-less-plain-simple-than-it-might-be
[16:50] <BigRedS> which reminds me (for some reason) is there a u-uk fosdem somethingorother happening?
[16:51] <brobostigon> BigRedS: hmm, ohwell.
[16:53] <BigRedS> keeps me out of mischief :)
[16:53] <brobostigon> :)
[16:57] <jacobw> evening
[16:58] <brobostigon> afternoonings jacobw
[16:58] <jacobw> whats up brobostigon ?
[16:59] <brobostigon> jacobw: not alot, just annoyed and frustrated, really. and you?
[17:01] <jacobw> brobostigon: not so bad, i'm on a course for my job so i'm being overloaded with jargon
[17:02] <brobostigon> jacobw: we can help.if you need helpwith jargon.
[17:02] <jacobw> hehe
[17:02] <jacobw> LO is at a stable release :)
[17:03] <jacobw> i'll have to swap out OO.o on my machine with LO when i get the chance
[17:04] <brobostigon> when itried to install libreoffice here, it automaticcly downloaded fromdebian experimental, and got rid of oo.o, and automaticlly replaced it.
[17:04] <brobostigon> made it very easy,
[17:05] <jacobw> on debian?
[17:05] <brobostigon> yes.
[17:05] <jacobw> hmm i can imagine debian have been proactive in replacing OO.o
[17:06] <jacobw> LO is going to be in 11.04 though isn't it?
[17:06] <brobostigon> jacobw: idont know, it doesnt seem to be in sid yet, only in experimental.
[17:07] <AlanBell> jacobw: so it would seem
[17:11] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/story/24325/Port_Gallium3D_to_Haiku_Earn_2000_/
[17:11] <brobostigon> :)
[17:12] <popey> libreoffice is already in 11.04 :)
[17:13] <jacobw> \o/
[17:13] <popey> alan@wopr:~$ which libreoffice
[17:13] <popey> /usr/bin/libreoffice
[17:13] <brobostigon> wopr :)
[17:13] <popey> :)
[17:15] <czajkowski> anyonehere in Millbank ?
[17:15] <czajkowski> *anyone
[17:16] <gord> is libreoffice that good? i see a lot of people talking about it but i'm not sure why the buzz is there
[17:16] <popey> its faster IMO
[17:16] <brobostigon> and smaller
[17:17] <czajkowski> may install it tonight on home machines
[17:17] <czajkowski> fought with OO all day long today
[17:17] <popey> its not that different of course
[17:17] <gord> i don't use either, open office annoyed me too much for me to consider something that was based on it really worth using
[17:18] <moreati> gord; Which bits bugged you? (also often annoyed)
[17:19] <davmor2> gord, popey: I like the fact they include the launcher for all the apps again, it mean you can add the launcher to app launcher and open any of the office apps from it
[17:19] <gord> it would be easier for me to name the bits that didn't bug me moreati ;)
[17:20] <moreati> gord: fairy knuth
[17:20] <popey> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 19441 9721
[17:20] <popey> nice, thank you apt
[17:21] <popey> gord: is the workspace switcher deliberately precious about being at the bottom of the list of apps in the launcher?
[17:23] <gord> popey, yeah, its part of a group at the bottom, it'll eventually hint that you can't move it outside of its group but i don't think the code for that is done yet
[17:24] <lazarus_> http://img696.imageshack.us/i/screenshotly.png/
[17:40] <kvarley> is there a way to stop an apt-get install command when it's downloading a large data file?
[17:40] <kvarley> nvm I got it
[17:42] <MichealH> CTRL-C :P No, That would break dpkg
[17:42] <popey> no it wouldnt
[17:43] <popey> if its just downloading you can kill it anytime
[17:53] <awilkins> Graaaaaaagh. Why do managers have to think that managing == meddling. Sometimes managing is LEAVING me ALONE until something pops out......
[17:54] <awilkins> "things not going well - _must change stuff_"
[17:55] <awilkins> "More meetings! They fix EVERYTHING!"
[17:56] <awilkins> /me takes a chill pill. Literally.
[17:58] <awilkins> A good thing I can dry-swallow.
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> pump up the valium!
[18:36] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:37] <pr0ph3t> when I start cairo-dock my title bar disappears, if I quit it and restart the window manager it reappears, anyone know why r how I can have a look at what happens from the console?I'm running compiz
[18:59] <X3N> you could try compiz --replace --debug and then start cairo-dock
[19:29] <HazRPG> woot! New internets :D
[19:32]  * DJones looks and thinks, nope same old internet
[19:32] <HazRPG> heh, true... but my connections to it has changed ;)
[19:33] <HazRPG> better, faster, stronger...
[19:33] <HazRPG> :P
[19:33] <HazRPG> (new ISP)
[19:33] <DJones> Ah, that maybe explains the reduction in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>timeout] :)
[19:34] <HazRPG> :P
[19:34] <DJones> who are you with now
[19:34] <HazRPG> I've gone for an average ping rating of ~80ms to ~23ms
[19:34] <HazRPG> can't complain with that :P
[19:34] <HazRPG> I've gone with BE
[19:35] <HazRPG> or BeThere, or however you want to call them
[19:35] <HazRPG> (o2 basically I think?)
[19:35] <DJones> Heh
[19:36] <gord> i'm on be, they are pretty good
[19:36]  * HazRPG wonders if its worth getting extra IP's to have a bridged connection instead of a NAT one ...
[19:36] <gord> i mean, just bt resellers, but they don't cram up the tubes with bt crap
[19:36] <HazRPG> gord: Yeah, my friend was with them too - and he highly recommended them.
[19:37] <HazRPG> gord: lucky git could get 24Mbps :/
[19:37] <gord> i get 3
[19:37] <gord> thats fine, thtas more than sky were getting me (1)
[19:37] <HazRPG> yeah I've gone from 5 to ~9
[19:38] <gord> honestly don't feel the need for a higher bandwidth right now, maybe when there is a HD film streaming service thats not encoded at stupid low bitrates
[19:38] <HazRPG> wow, really only 3?
[19:38] <HazRPG> gord: haha you mean like stage6 use to be...
[19:39] <HazRPG> DJones: I was with UKOnline before this, but had no choice but to leave them due to being bought out by Sky
[19:39] <DJones> HazRPG: I'm on sky & found them better than anybody else, I guess it depends on individual circumstances
[19:40] <HazRPG> UK Online /were/ the best ISP I've ever had to date, no other ISP would ever let you ring them at silly o'clock and get grade A service from people who knew what they were talking about... they didn't do the usual "well try this, try that", they usually asked "what have you tried so far?" which to me is a far better question to ask
[19:40] <gord> sky aren't too bad, they are just too big, if you have a problem with them then you have mounds of red tape and support bots to get through
[19:40] <gord> i just log onto the be irc channel though my phone wifi and ask whats ging on :)
[19:41] <HazRPG> DJones: I was on hold with Sky for about 2hrs to just ask about the deal you could get to stick with them, or to grab your MAC code... I was going to stick with them, but after being on the phone for 2hrs... I gave in and just asked for the Mac code outright
[19:42] <HazRPG> gord: haha yeah I logged onto the BE irc while I was on hold to sky, and they managed to convince me to go with them xD
[19:42] <DJones> gord: I expected that a couple of months after a problem, but must admit they were excellent, even knew & accepted that I wasn't using windows & talked me through things,took 10 miutes to diagnose the fault & arrange to send replacement hardware out
[19:44] <HazRPG> DJones: well if I think correctly, Sky and UK Online have the same phone staff if I recall...
[19:44] <DJones> HazRPG: I must have struck lucky :)
[19:44] <HazRPG> cos the guy I spoke to on the phone was exactly the same guy I always seem to be transferred to, heh first question he asked was "how's the ol' ubunut scene treatin ya dude" after I'd say "hi"
[19:45] <HazRPG> ya don't get service like that much these days :P
[19:45] <HazRPG> almost felt bad for leaving
[19:47] <HazRPG> only thing that miffed me was that their lines are only open till 11pm - which to me is useless when I can be up till around 4am sometimes
[19:47] <HazRPG> oh wow, there's a new mumble coming out soon! :o
[19:53] <Neoti> hey lazarus_> how did you get the CPY mem and network stats on the left whats the program ?
[19:59] <BigRedS> I've just moved my /etc/X11/xorg.conf, done /etc/init.d/gdm restart, and been returned to a login screen claiming I'm already logged in. Having authenticated, I've just found myself in *exactly* the state I was in before restarting
[19:59] <BigRedS> shell sessions still open etc. Is this X being really clever, or does restarting gdm not do what I think it does any more?
[20:00] <BigRedS> Ah, and now I keep looping through the above. Perhaps I broke something
[20:04] <Azelphur> I have separate / and /home, so I can just reinstall my OS right? :P
[20:05] <DJones> Yup
[20:05] <DJones> Just mount / & format in the partitioning, mount /home without formatting
[20:05] <Azelphur> fun
[20:06] <Azelphur> I think I might have a bad install, having a few weird issues
[20:06] <Azelphur> and I know I installed from a dodgy flash drive
[20:06] <Azelphur> \o/
[20:09] <BigRedS> Should the proprietary ATI driver from the 'Additional Drivers' wotsit provide enough goodness for me to us the ATI control centre?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> but why would you want to use that piece of.. trash :)
[20:13] <BigRedS> So I can use my second monitor
[20:13] <BigRedS> 'cause the gnome way certainly doesn't work, and I'm pretending it's possible to do without writing my own xorg.conf
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> why doesn't gnome work?
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> it should just work
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> with no xorg changes
[20:18] <BigRedS> Yeah, and has done elsewhere
[20:18] <BigRedS> IIRC it asks me to logout, when I log in again both monitors are set to the same resolution
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: strange, I've never experienced that
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> only in very old versions of Ubuntu
[20:19] <BigRedS> Nah, this is maverick
[20:20] <BigRedS> ah, no, on logging back in it's back to just one monitor working
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: then you go to monitor prefs, set it up the way you want, click "apply"?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: works here :)
[20:20] <BigRedS> I've seen suggestions that the catalyst issue is the result of some bug fixed in fresh-from-git X but i'd really tather not do that
[20:21] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Window pops up. "Please log ou and log back in again"
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: is that the exact text?
[20:21] <BigRedS> I'm wondering if this is fixed by not using the proprietary driver
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> uhr yes
[20:21] <BigRedS> er. s/log ou and/log out and/
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> That works fine with the free driver
[20:22] <popey> Azelphur: a dodgy usb drive wouldn't explain this
[20:22] <BigRedS> oh. The additional drivers thing subtly says I'm not using that driver either
[20:22] <Azelphur> popey: :(
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: RAMmie Dodgers might ;)
[20:23] <BigRedS> I've no idea what's going on. One day I'll understand X. Just as wayland becomes popular :)
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "don't install the proprietary drivers, unless you really need a feature it provides"
[20:26] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: MartijnVdS I took the Alternative drivers wotsit telling me I was using an different version to suggest I was using a/the free one
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:26] <BigRedS> FWIW, I did this before I started : http://pastebin.com/q2PCE2aL
[20:27] <BigRedS> 'course, that's less useful now :)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> yeah :)
[20:29] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: http://avi.co/stuff/Xorg.0.log  and http://avi.co/stuff/xorg.conf
[20:29] <BigRedS> cheers!
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: so X is using the fglrx (non-free) driver
[20:30] <BigRedS> mm, this is immediately post-reboot having told 'additional drivers' to try non-free
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I'd recommend uninstalling all packages with "fglrx" in the name, then rebooting
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> like I said, don't install non-free drivers unless you REALLY need them
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> (too bad Ubuntu "advertises" them on first boot :))
[20:31] <BigRedS> Yeah, I already had when you said that and figured I'd give it a go :) Besides it looked like free wasn't working either :)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> but free we can debug :P
[20:31] <BigRedS> Yeah, I love that. "Your system's too free for my liking. Have some closed-source bugs"
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> "Hi, we're the Ubuntu community and we HATE freedom."
[20:33] <BigRedS> haha, it does sort-of look like that.
[20:35] <BigRedS> Ooooh. Now it appears neither monitor is used :) both are sleeping
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> cool
[20:35] <BigRedS> I get a brief flash of the splash screen, then they go into power save
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> then it should come upt with a "broken X config" soon
[20:35] <BigRedS> oh, cool
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> just choose the option that's most like "repair"
[20:36] <BigRedS> yeah, I recall seeing that before I think
[20:39] <BigRedS> hm, still no picture
[20:39] <BigRedS> can I force this from a shell?
[20:40] <BigRedS> rming xorg.conf and restarting gdm springs to mind...
[20:40] <BigRedS> ahhh
[20:40] <BigRedS> [    19.162] (EE) No drivers available.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> weird
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> do you still have xserver-xorg-video-radeon installed?
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> (package name)
[20:41] <BigRedS> yup
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> but.. not even the "Repair X" but comes up?
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> that uses VESA
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> so it should always work
[20:43] <BigRedS> mmm. xorg.conf still reckons it should be loading fglrx
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: try commenting that section (or removing it)
[20:45] <BigRedS> just doing that. briefly got that lovely broken-X multicolour static, but it ended up with a login box
[20:45] <BigRedS> whoo! :)
[20:45] <BigRedS> And, finally, I have both monitors working.
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[20:46] <BigRedS> Thanks! You've substantially more patience than I do :)
[20:46] <BigRedS> I've been swearing loudly at X approximately nightly for the past few days. Now I blame ATi
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I've solved the problem 600 times before ;)
[20:46] <BigRedS> haha
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> it always boils down to "But.. it OFFERED to install the non-free driver"
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> "Yes, but you should have said no"
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> "But it OFFERED"
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> "That explains the shipment of herbal viagra that's here for you"
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> "<silent coworker>"
[20:49] <BigRedS> haha
[20:50] <BigRedS> Yeah, any issue on any desktop at work is the fault of Ubuntu and its fascination with proprietary software
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: also, I'm the designated Ubuntu helpdesk :(
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> at work
[20:51] <BigRedS> Ah. Nah, we just rant at it, every so often someone installs whatever it is they'd rather use for a few weeks, then gets told to go back to ubuntu
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> hah
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> everyone used "a" distro before I came there
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> then everyone switched to Ubuntu
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> because Gentoo's too hard
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> and Debian
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> and [insert distro of the week]
[20:55] <mgdm> and Gentoo kills baby polar bears
[20:55] <mgdm> and penguins, no doubt
[20:55] <BigRedS> haha
[20:56] <BigRedS> we've a gentooite
[20:56] <BigRedS> keeps telling us off for not compiling things or something
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: and it's for people who add spoilers to perfectly good cars.
[20:56] <mgdm> http://funroll-loops.info/
[20:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: aye, exactly :)
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> :)
[20:56] <mgdm> bewarned, NSFW link :P
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> oh we had a few FreeBSDites
[20:56] <BigRedS> We've a gentoo, debian, arch, ubuntu and indifferent.
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[20:57] <BigRedS> Mostly united in a distaste of RH
[20:58] <mgdm> I'm currently not enjoying Ubuntu due to (probably) fglrx
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I just fixed BigRedS's fglrx problem by having him remove it ;)
[20:59] <BigRedS> it's a good fix :)
[20:59] <mgdm> Oh, wait, no, I'm using the radeon driver
[20:59] <mgdm> it + external monitor = crashy fun times
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I demand proof! :)
[21:01] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: my laptop. Plugin in external monitor to DisplayPort. Attempt to use external monitor. X locks up, solid.
[21:02] <mgdm> it only works if the monitor is there at boot
[21:02] <mgdm> switching users also locks up
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: ah displayport
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> newfanglyness!
[21:03] <mgdm> same happens with the VGA port, FWIW
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> what kind of radeon chip do you have?
[21:04] <mgdm> one sec, reminding myself
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: lspci | grep VGA
[21:06]  * popey tickles MartijnVdS
[21:06]  * MartijnVdS jumps
[21:06] <popey> \o/
[21:06] <BigRedS> then spend weeks trying to make xterm big enough to see the whole line ;)
[21:06] <mgdm> ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: can you ssh into the machine when X hangs? what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[21:07] <mgdm> I don't have another machine handy to ssh in with
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: smart phone?
[21:07] <mgdm> Hmm, didn't think of that
[21:08] <mgdm> "[  8558.971] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch" is the last thing in the old log
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> that's what it should do
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> except for the crash bit afterward
[21:08] <mgdm> then the screen goes all stripey and the machine is (I believe) still alive, but X is b0rked
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> so it's just misconfiguring the chip
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> might have to file a bug for that :/
[21:09] <mgdm> apparently the same hardware works fine in Fedora
[21:09] <mgdm> I'm going to give that a shot some time
[21:09] <mgdm> another possibility is turning off compiz
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> back to the 20th century ;)
[21:10] <mgdm> indeed
[21:54] <glynn-home> lx is on his way to the office
[21:55] <czajkowski> popey: you going to font event?
[21:56] <popey> dunno
[21:57] <hamitron> freen monsters in my pool :/
[21:58] <hamitron> green*
[21:58] <bigcalm> Creepers
[21:58] <hamitron> will they leave?
[21:58] <hamitron> without rearranging everything
[21:58] <bigcalm> Not if they see you
[21:58] <bigcalm> If you can kill them without them blowing up, they might drop gunpowder. Which you can then use to make tnt
[21:59] <hamitron> I got expensive wooden panelling in that room ;/
[21:59] <bigcalm> Kill spiders. Use their string to make a bow
[21:59] <bigcalm> Fire arrows at the creepers
[22:00] <hamitron> they gone \o/
[22:00] <hamitron> is that normal for them to arrive? ;/
[22:03] <czajkowski> popey: k
[22:04] <popey> hamitron: yes, if its dark
[22:04] <hamitron> never go swimming in the dark... kids ;/
[22:23] <cps> ergh
[22:23]  * cps yawns
[22:23] <cps> hamitron: make me a sammich


[03:35] <ChibaPet> Hm, nvidia-352-updates, still no joy with vlc.
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> Will 16.04 have snappy packages?
[05:57] <CountryfiedLinux> And Unity 8 as an option?
[07:49] <micw> hi
[07:50] <micw> will there be a beta1 release of 16.04 today?
[08:04] <spm_draget> Does Ubuntu Xenial support Java8 via some official package?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> !find java8
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> !info openjdk-8-jdk xenial
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> spm_draget: ^ this what you looking for?
[08:06] <spm_draget> Ah, thanks. Was looking for oracle… but yeah, openjdk
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !java
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195735/
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> apt-get -f install wont fix it
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> any idea how i could fix that?
[08:57] <CryptoSiD> i cant install any pkg till its fixed
[09:06] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195807/ apt-get -f install output
[09:09] <CryptoSiD> i tryed mv html5lib-0.999-py2.py3-none-any.whl to html5lib-0.999-py2.py3-none-any.whl.back and then apt-get -f install again, but i have the same error
[10:09] <micw> spm_draget, there's a really good ppa for oracle java
[10:10] <micw> but i'd perfer openjdk. is has far better integration (e.g. it receives frequent ssl ca updates because it uses the system's ca database)
[10:27] <spm_draget> Okay, thanks
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195735/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/15195807/ apt-get -f install output
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> id need help to fix that please
[11:49] <CryptoSiD> i cant install any other package till its fixed
[12:26] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: Install that package with the dpkg flag '--force-overwrite'.
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> can i use this flag with apt-get?
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> nope
[12:27] <CryptoSiD> will download the deb then
[12:27] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: You have already downloaded it ;)
[12:28] <lordievader> CryptoSiD: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-pip-whl_8.0.2-7_all.deb
[12:28] <CryptoSiD> right just noticed that lol, my bad
[12:29] <CryptoSiD> thanks a lot!
[12:29] <CryptoSiD> worked:)
[12:32] <lordievader> No problem, glad it works.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:52] <spm_draget> In xenial, installing 'phpmyadmin' pulls 'php5-cli php5-common'… despite I already installed 'php' (which pulls php7.0)
[15:52] <spm_draget> Will php5 and php7 be installed side by side then? Or how does this work?
[18:34] <BenLubar> python-pip-whl is breaking today's apt dist-upgrade
[18:34] <BenLubar> oh, actually it looks like autoremove might fix that
[18:37] <BenLubar> ok, how do I remove python-html5lib-whl and update python-pip-whl at the same time?
[18:43] <BenLubar> ok, turns out the problem was virtualenv, which I've uninstalled because I no longer need it
[19:02] <drhalan> hi all. has anyone had this problem before? i can't get to the grub menu. When i hold down shift it just shows "grub loading" and then continues to boot the default kernel...
[19:03] <alkisg> drhalan: try the left ctrl key
[19:03] <alkisg> Or, just reset it before it completely boots :D
[19:05] <drhalan> i tried both holding and pushing the left ctrl but doesn't seem to do anything
[19:06] <drhalan> my system currently doesn't boot (i have an encrypted HD and it gets stuck before promting me for a password)
[19:06] <alkisg> ...maybe boot from a usb stick and change grub.cfg then?
[19:07] <alkisg>  /boot isn't encrypted, is it?
[19:08] <drhalan> yeah i can try that
[19:08] <drhalan> i dont't hink it can
[19:09] <tomreyn> yes it can be, but it's a non-standard setup
[19:59] <SafPlusPlus> I assume there wouldn't be many too noticable differences between the current nightly Xenial server build and the upcoming beta1, right?
[20:01] <k1l> rule of thumb: if you need to ask about stability, dont run it as production or important system :)
[20:03] <SafPlusPlus> Well, ofc... more that I'm installing and testing to see what I can expect to upgrade to... :)
[20:03] <k1l> i am using it as daily system already.
[20:04] <SafPlusPlus> Thing is, out of the box, it's running more services than I'd expect it to...
[20:05] <SafPlusPlus> Was wondering if some services were enable by default in the nightly which wouldn't be once in beta...
[20:05] <SafPlusPlus> (or once from release for that matter)
[21:29] <drhalan> so how do i set things like GRUB_TIMEOUT in grub.cfg?
[21:29] <ChibaPet> drhalan: /etc/default/grub usually
[21:29] <drhalan> yeah but in my case / is encrypted
[21:29] <drhalan> and i can only modify /boot
[21:29] <ChibaPet> Um.
[21:30] <ChibaPet> You set it in /etc/default/grub, and then update-grub.
[21:30] <drhalan> unless i figure out how to mount my encrypted root filesystem
[21:31] <ChibaPet> Oh. Boot from a desktop ISO and chroot in to fix things then. I'm not sure GRUB_TIMEOUT should be your primary concern if you've gotten to where you can't descrypt your root fs.
[21:31] <drhalan> yeah thats what ive been doing
[21:31] <drhalan> tried form the command line to mound the drive for a while, now i figured out that the gui can do it just fine :D
[21:31] <ChibaPet> It's worth learning how to do it on the command line.
[21:31] <ChibaPet> man cryptsetup
[21:32] <ChibaPet> Are you running a RAID?
[21:32] <ChibaPet> Note that you can hose up your config by letting the rescue environment spin up your MD-RAIDs under the wrong names, which then get stamped into the on-disk config.
[21:32] <drhalan> no i am not using raid nor lvm i think
[21:32] <ChibaPet> kk
[21:33] <drhalan> can i just chroot to / and run update grup? or do i need to mount /proc or something
[21:33] <ChibaPet> If you were, it's worth assembling them as the correct md? device by hand.
[21:33] <ChibaPet> drhalan: You need to bind mount a few things. Half a sec and I'll find a good reference.
[21:35] <drhalan> thanks :)
[21:35] <ChibaPet> https://bpaste.net/show/a5d08b32ddce
[21:35] <ChibaPet> The references I want to give you are all about setting up ZFS root. Too much to wade through to find what you need. And so, that paste.
[21:36] <ChibaPet> It's useful if you know in advance what you had before as the decrypted name. Before making any changes, you might find this (once you mount the FS, before you bind mount or make any changes) in /etc/crypttab
[21:36] <ChibaPet> If so, you can then back out, cryptsetup luksClose, and then re-open with the right name.
[21:37] <ChibaPet> This might not matter. initramfs-tools might just get their idea from fstab and crypttab. But it can't hurt to be meticulous.
[21:39] <k1l> drhalan: boot your system, then change the defaults in /etc/default/grub, ten run update-grub.
[21:40] <k1l> or if its an issue with booting then just change the file in /boot once
[21:41] <ChibaPet> Oh, that's no fun.
[21:42] <ChibaPet> He can be a rescue-system ninja with a little practise.
[21:56] <drhalan> when updateing grub i get something like "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1". not sure if that is a problem?
[21:56] <drhalan> also, is there an easy way to just reset /etc/default/grub to default?
[21:57] <ChibaPet> Hrm. Reinstalling the relevant packages (grub-pc in this case?) might do it. Or find a pristine copy.
[21:58] <ChibaPet> This is what I've got in there on my work desktop, running Trusty: https://bpaste.net/show/257f787f0e6f
[22:00] <ChibaPet> As for the error message, I'm not sure. More context might help.
[22:01] <drhalan> that's the settings I've had
[22:02] <drhalan>  i just don't get grub to show up. nor does it mount /
[22:04] <ChibaPet> drhalan: UEFI system? BIOS?
[22:06] <ChibaPet> How many drives? If you're using grub-pc/BIOS, something I like to do is dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, which will show you what the package sees as targets for grub installation.
[22:07] <ChibaPet> Here, for instance - again, 14.04 because I'm looking at my work desktop as an example: https://bpaste.net/show/0e139bf8e2ad
[22:09] <drhalan> i think its uefi
[22:09] <ChibaPet> drhalan: FWIW, normally I expect errors from your initrd. That you're not actually seeing GRUB makes me think it's going to be less twitchy to fix.
[22:09] <ChibaPet> Um. Can you pastebin the partition table please?
[22:10] <ChibaPet> If it's UEFI, it's a slightly different kettle of fish, with a couple possible solutions.
[22:11] <Jordan_U> Is more the default pager in 16.04? Man, git, and various other commands are using more instead of less as a pager and it's rather annoying.
[22:14] <ChibaPet> Jordan_U: export PAGER=less
[22:16] <Jordan_U> ChibaPet: I know, but why was the default changed?
[22:17] <Jordan_U> Is this an intentional change or a bug? I'm seeing /etc/alternatives/pager pointing to /bin/more on a recent daily LiveCD image of Ubuntu Gnome 16.04.
[22:19] <ChibaPet> I'd imagine it was intentional, and I have no clue why, but it's easily set to whatever you like. That said, I'd think less(1) would be the more reasonable default, but I've long since stopped expecting OS vendors to adhere to my ideas of reasonableness.
[22:20] <Jordan_U> I can't imagine why *anyone* would want more to be the default pager.
[22:20] <ChibaPet> I mean, it *works*. Dunno.
[22:21] <Jordan_U> I don't cobsider not being able to scroll up working.
[22:22]  * Jordan_U goes and files a bug report
[22:24] <drhalan> i don't even care about fixing grub that much... just would like to get the system booting again
[22:24] <drhalan> i just installed the newest kernel from proposed and ran update-grub again but it didn't help :/
[22:25] <ChibaPet> drhalan: Installing a kernel seems like the wrong answer if GRUB isn't loading at boot time.
[22:25] <ChibaPet> You want to walk through the minimally-invasive options *first* or you just add more variables.
[22:25] <drhalan> grub is loading. i just doesn't show the menu
[22:25] <drhalan> i just tries to boot the default kernel
[22:26] <ChibaPet> It's loading, and then.
[22:26] <ChibaPet> Okay. And?
[22:26] <drhalan> ther kernel boots detects my keyboard and such but does not mount / (which is encrypted)
[22:26] <drhalan> nor does it prompt for a passowrd
[22:27] <ChibaPet> Can you capture error messages from the end of the boot attempt?
[22:27] <ChibaPet> Sounds like your initramfs might be horqued after all.
[22:27] <ChibaPet> And please post your partition scheme to help us suss out if you're booting under UEFI or not.
[22:32] <drhalan> there aren't any. but it really seems like the kernel boots up fine. I can even plug in an external monitor and use my docking station
[22:32] <drhalan> you mean the output from fdisk?
[22:34] <ChibaPet> Maybe fdisk, maybe gdisk. I'm thinking you might want to consider sticking with a stable release - some of these questions shouldn't be necessary for someone running a testing release. No insult intended, but things *will* break.
[22:35] <drhalan> yeah sure... i mean i have all my data backed up
[22:37] <drhalan> i'm pretty used to the development releases bricking my machines already :P
[22:38] <ChibaPet> Well. Things to focus on, then... Find out if you're running UEFI, and what kind of partitioning scheme you've got. Look at where GRUB and other bits get installed. Go into a properly set-up chroot, rebuild your initramfs and make sure GRUB's config is sane.
[22:39] <ChibaPet> Maybe look at an article or two on interacting with the busybox shell, and see if your crypto modules are loaded. If the tools are there, you can decrypt and mount root and proceed manually.
[23:42] <Jordan_U> Looks like the more/less bug is fixed in the latest daily image.


[04:43] <astraljava> stochastic: Synday, it's been our usual meeting day.
[04:44] <astraljava> Sunday* ;)
[04:45] <astraljava> Not Sinday. That's everyday.
[07:20] <ailo> knome: pad.ubuntu.com? Only Ubuntu devs?
[08:39] <Hypnotoad> ailo: Nope, just need to sign in with launchpad and be in the ubuntu-etherpad "team", comes with being part of a loco and many others.
[08:51] <ailo> Hypnotoad: I see
[08:51] <ailo> Thanks
[08:53] <ailo> Great :)
[09:01] <knome> ailo, hehe. :)
[09:01] <knome> ailo, so, what about that studio session in UDS?
[09:02] <ailo> knome: I can't think of anything to have one about right now. You have any suggestions?
[09:02] <knome> ailo, we don't have specifically targeted sessions either, just "xubuntu R planning"
[09:04] <ailo> knome: I think it's probably enough if I join other sessions, and see how I can contribute to US that way. Only me there from my team, after all. And, since we don't seem to have any specific agenda right now..
[09:05] <knome> well, there's micahg and me who are partly connected
[09:05] <ailo> knome: True
[09:06] <knome> and also, if you schedule a session, you will *definitely* have a room for you
[09:06] <knome> you might have rooms anyway, but...
[09:06] <ailo> knome: I need pad.ubuntu.com access, right?
[09:06] <knome> ailo, yeah probably
[09:07] <ailo> I need to be approved to a team that has access first
[09:07] <knome> ailo, hmm. you are not a ubuntu member?
[09:08] <knome> ailo, oh, you seem to be a member of ubuntu-etherpad
[09:08] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[09:08] <ailo> knome: Ah, great. I was just accepted :)
[09:08] <knome> that's not exactly an exclusive group ;]
[09:08] <ailo> Only took 5 min
[09:08] <knome> yeah
[09:09] <knome> but you only need pad on UDS anyway, not really before
[09:09] <knome> unless you want to prepare content
[09:10] <ailo> knome: I'll be going through the schedule today (been a bit busy before). Need to see what's happening, and so forth. I could add a session for us later during the week
[09:11] <ailo> I'm sure we can cook something up
[09:11] <knome> ailo, the thing is, those sessions are automatically ordered
[09:11] <ailo> Oh, :(
[09:11] <knome> ailo, so it would be best to add it as soon as possible :)
[09:12] <ailo> knome: Right.
[09:12] <knome> ailo, i think you can fix a meeting as far as "i want this to be on thursday"
[09:12] <knome> (we did that with xubuntu, one session for mon and one for thu)
[09:14] <ailo> knome: Alright. I need to see how things work. With automatic placement one should be able to do: not at the same time as *-session
[09:14] <knome> ailo, should, but i'm not sure if that's possible with the tools they have
[09:15] <knome> ailo, maybe if you're marked as "i REALLY need to attend" for both, it might organize it well for you
[09:15] <knome> ailo, i think i have one or two overlapping stuff that i'm telling i'm attending
[09:38] <ailo> But for some reason, I can't sign in to summit.ubuntu.com cause my username is already signed in there
[09:38] <ailo> With a different account?!
[09:40] <knome> huhu?
[09:41] <knome> :)
[09:41] <knome> maybe ask #canonical-sysadmin
[09:43] <ailo> knome: ah, that's a good channel to know about :). I have another launchpad account, which was working now. Don't want to cause confusion, but I'll probably want to change my nick anyway
[09:44] <knome> :)
[09:45] <knome> lunchtime!
[09:45] <knome> brb
[11:16] <ailo> knome: Not going to the yoga lessons? (06.30-08.00)
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: i didnt mean to imply 64bit was experimental
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: i just find that some things used to be glitchy there.. and are less and less an issue
[14:18] <ailo> holstein: When? Back in 2008?
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: plus i have actual software (light scribe) for example that is 32 bit only
[14:18] <holstein> ailo: 10.04
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Now wait I use 64-bit here
[14:18] <holstein> 10.04 was when i had some "issues" with 64bit
[14:19] <holstein> ailo: i dont have them anymore
[14:20] <ailo> holstein: There may be a few odd applications that aren't supported by Ubuntu/Debian, that may not work on 64bits, or you have to do some work to get them working
[14:20] <ailo> I'd say that's about it
[14:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:21] <holstein> ailo: feel free and sell geatano on whichever you choose
[14:21] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:21] <holstein> i was trying to suggest trying 32bit if the 64bit version was failing
[14:21] <holstein> though, i dont think that is the issue for gaetano
[14:21] <holstein> i usually just try teh 32.. unless i feel the 64 is approriate
[14:21] <holstein> and im finding that the 64 is just fine...
[14:21] <ailo> holstein: gaetano is having nvidia driver issues. His card is new, and the drivers a bit old
[14:22] <holstein> ailo: agreed
[14:22] <ailo> Nothing to do with the arch
[14:22] <holstein> ailo: i agree with that as well.. i just thought it might be nice to try both
[14:22] <holstein> if he had tried the 64
[14:22] <holstein> though,, i didnt strongly suggest either to him.. though you are free to do so
[14:22] <ailo> I wouldn't count on him knowing which he has now. His brother installed it for him last week or so
[14:23] <holstein> yup
[14:23] <ailo> Anyway, I'd say 64bit is more or less an acceptable default by now.
[14:23] <holstein> hopefully you can talk him through the jockey, and it'll "just work"
[14:23] <ailo> No jockey on 12.10
[14:23] <ailo> But, he knows where the drivers are
[14:23] <holstein> ailo: the jockey type thing
[14:24] <holstein> the jockey replacement
[14:24] <holstein> ailo: i dont feel like the 64bit is necessary by default on a netbook
[14:24] <holstein> but, thats just my opinion.. and i know where to get the 32
[14:24] <len-dt> If the netbook has an atom it is 32 bit anyway I think.
[14:25]  * len-dt hasn't looked at the latest netbooks
[14:25] <holstein> len-dt: i was surpised to read that mine was 64bit capable
[14:26] <len-dt> holstein, I thought I had tried the 64 and it failed.
[14:26] <holstein> i can imagine a lot of users who already dont quite understand how to install an operating system loading up a 64bit iso on a 32bit box... ive already seen a few
[14:26] <len-dt> but I am not sure.
[14:26] <ailo> The old generation atoms were not 64bit. I'm sure a lot of the newer ones are. At least AMD
[14:26] <len-dt> I only have 1g ram though
[14:27] <len-dt> ailo, I don't think AMD does atom
[14:27] <holstein> i think since the 32 *is* a safe default, pushing the 64 might be a bit early still... but again, i know where to get the 32
[14:27] <ailo> len-dt: AMD has their own version of that
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hi len-dt
[14:27] <ailo> low power processors
[14:27] <len-dt> They do have a low power cpu but I don't know what it is called
[14:27]  * smartboyhw thinks 64 is the best
[14:28]  * len-dt doesn't have endless money to keep buying new stuff to try.
[14:28] <len-dt> :)
[14:28] <smartboyhw> len-dt, we all know:P
[14:28] <smartboyhw> and we all don't have endless money:P
[14:34] <len-dt> However, quite honestly, my old P4 has been enough for all my uses so far.
[14:35] <len-dt> That said, I have not yet used any softsynths in my recordings
[14:35]  * len-dt is not a KB player
[15:01] <holstein> jta: \o/
[15:01] <jta> ailo: ok, so yes, I do audio and video
[15:02] <holstein> jta: like ailo was saying.. we need some video workflow folks
[15:02] <jta> heya
[15:02] <jta> yup...well I want to do the integration with jack...let me put this channel on my auto list
[15:02] <ailo> jta: Yeah, it would be great to get some ideas down.
[15:03] <jta> ok, I will automatically join here now
[15:03] <ailo> jta: If there's something that could be done to improve blender on Ubuntu Studio, we should definately look into that
[15:03] <jta> cool..well i have a linux development computer that has plenty of room to make distros also...
[15:04] <jta> ailo for sure, i'm a graphics professional and a minor dev for blender...i'm established in the dev community....
[15:04] <jta> ailo: i do live events, graphics, video and sound.  mostly for corporate general sessions
[15:05] <jta> ok, hey, i need to jump in the shower
[15:05] <ailo> jta: Pretty much anything else but audio development has very low activity right now, something we'd like to change
[15:05] <jta> but hit me up on occasion ailo, i will auto login to this channel every time i am in chat
[15:05] <ailo> jta: So, what's the deal with jack + blender?
[15:05] <holstein> jta:  we are glad to have you! ... see you soon
[15:06] <jta> ok, well i have talked about it with holstein for a while, but I am moving forward on projects that require it to be done..
[15:06] <jta> i am working out of hollywood a lot lately and need a one stop distro to give people...and I will be teaching classes on it....
[15:06] <jta> see you holstein
[15:07] <jta> ailo...you can use them to sync the timeline with blender and like audacity or others...so when you scrub in blender it shows up in the audio program and visa versa
[15:07] <jta> so it makes audio programs like a plug in for blenders audio sub system...and I have become a developer for the video editing system...so the time is right
[15:08] <jta> the audio sub system is part of the VSE video sequence editor...
[15:08] <jta> I gotta fly guys...
[15:08] <jta> i'll keep the window open for a half an hour more if you got some questions...I'll be back before I leave...
[15:09] <jta> ty holstein your hospitality is one of the things that keeps me coming back
[15:09] <jta> bbiab
[15:09] <holstein> jta: :)
[15:09] <ailo> jta: I won't have much time this week myself, probably. Will be at the UDS, but was just quickly googling, and I need to check some things out first anyway
[15:09] <ailo> Seems like you can compile blender with jack support.
[15:09] <ailo> I'll add a workitem about checking that
[15:14] <len-dt> ailo, Hmm, starting blender just logged me out
[15:15] <ailo> len-dt: Not for me. Maybe a driver issue?
[15:15] <len-dt> could be. Screen went blank then console then login screen
[15:15] <ailo> opengl, I would think
[15:15] <len-dt> Like x quit
[15:16] <len-dt> As I recall it worked ok in 12.04 (this is 12.10)
[15:16] <len-dt> listening to a demo of Linux Sampler, very impressive.
[15:19] <len-dt> I will do a reboot and try again. There have been a few SW updates since last boot
[15:21] <jta> ailo: what we can do this the official blender build, then I can help with specialty builds from graphic all that will be audio/media based...
[15:21] <jta> i can share my scripts that automatically down load or even some of my documentation that makes things easier
[15:21] <jta> also the new compositor and changes to the VSE make blender a much better video editor
[15:21] <jta> so lots of good things have taken place
[15:23] <jta> so the special builds maybe one extra on the LiveCD and then scripts for those who install on HDD to stay active in the blender community by trying bleeding edge builds
[15:23] <jta> I am also a minor dev in the game engine group...I am working on blender for motion graphics...so that's great for live event/VJay types
[15:25] <len-dt> ailo, same problem after reboot. shows up as an xorg crash.
[15:25] <ailo> jta: We need to do changes to the source as much as possible through the Debian Multimedia Team. We more or less just import their packages to Ubuntu.
[15:25] <ailo> len-dt: I'd google it. Maybe your HW
[15:26] <ailo> jta: I'm planning on joining that team, but even before that, we should contact them with patches, or ideas first
[15:26] <len-dt> Probably. I chose my Graphics card based on cost.
[15:27] <ailo> jta: Principally, I guess we're interested in how the software can be used, and if the Debian build allows all the use cases. If not, we try to make it happen
[15:28] <ailo> jta: Also, we need to write some docs about the different workflows
[15:28] <ailo> audio, graphics, video, photography and publishing
[15:28] <len-dt> My thought has been that I don't need fancy graphics. I would think that someone interested in video anything would be much more careful about video hw than I. Also remember that this HW is at least 8 years old.... obsolete
[15:28] <ailo> len-dt: 8 years is a loooong time for a graphic card
[15:29] <ailo> :)
[15:29] <ailo> Mine don't usually survive that long
[15:29] <len-dt> I have a few s3 around too :)
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Wow wow wow
[15:38] <jta> ailo docs about the workflow is exactly what I will help with...that's the the need I have for the distro.  I can give it to someone and they are up and running quickly with the workflow
[15:39] <jta> I work out of Los Angeles and most people there don't have time to play...they are very work and results oriented...
[15:39] <jta> blender runs good on older hardware len-dt
[15:40] <jta> len-dt: if you have old hardware, blender works great like if you need to make a logo or some simple motion graphics, or a flyer for a concert
[15:40] <len-dt> jta, as I said it ran fine in 12.04. I am not sure what happened here. but then I am running on an external drive right now too.
[15:40] <ailo> jta: Maybe we can cooperate on that then? We are just making up the plans for next release. Here's an overview of the blueprints
[15:40] <jta> that's the idea of blender in ustudio...also for people doing some media production
[15:41] <jta> for sure ailo, i am up for cooperation...
[15:41] <ailo> jta: The ones relevant to you would at least be user docs, and the video workflow
[15:41] <ailo> jta: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/RaringBlueprintsCategories
[15:41] <jta> ok, hey, i gotta run, I have a pretty lady that will be waiting on me if I don't keep moving, lol...
[15:41] <jta> okies got it
[15:41] <ailo> jta: What's your launchpad account name? jta?
[15:42] <jta> should be, i'll have to check
[15:42] <jta> sometimes that's taken and I do a variation...
[15:42] <jta> i gotta fly, i'll be back, ttyl
[15:42] <jta> thanks!
[15:43] <ailo> Would be super great if he could help us out on some of the items
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: Oh, did you install nvidia drivers (wasn't that the card)?
[15:46] <ailo> len-dt: Maybe a regression?
[15:46] <len-dt> I think there must be a problem with the graphics... I'm using the free driver and it does do some things better...
[15:47] <ailo> len-dt: Must be the driver
[15:48] <len-dt> Just a thought... have we added a work item to update any mention of 12.10 to 13.04?
[15:48]  * len-dt can only think of one right now
[15:49] <ailo> len-dt: update?
[15:49] <ailo> len-dt: I still haven't added old postponed blueprints
[15:49] <len-dt> ya the plymouth text version will need to be changed to 13.04 for sure.
[15:50] <len-dt> I don't think it was in the old blueprints but probably should have been
[15:50] <ailo> len-dt: Sounds like one of those things that should be added to a blueprint template
[15:50] <ailo> len-dt: Adding it
[15:51] <len-dt> We could just change the text to Ubuntu Studio with no version.
[15:51] <len-dt> I don't think the graphic plynouth has a version
[15:55] <ailo> len-dt: Ok. I'll put that down as an item as well
[15:56] <len-dt> speaking of plymouth, the graphics version is one of the things that actually works this cycle... from the live ISO... but not from the installed version. Must be something in the initrd the installed version misses
[15:57] <len-dt> On this hw... works fine on anything else.
[19:26] <len-dt> ailo, (and anyone else) just added some thoughts about upgrades to the list.
[21:05] <holstein> !tty
[21:07] <len-dt> holstein, ok, I think I was aware of that? Thanks for the tip :)
[21:08] <holstein> len-dt: i was grabbing that for another channel :) i didnt think anyone would mind the noise
[21:09] <len-dt> NP... I was just wondering who it was for...
[21:50] <ailo> So, you'd like to SRU the extras to the menu?
[21:53] <ailo> len-dt: ^
[21:54] <len-dt> ailo, actually, I don't think it is import enough....
[21:55] <len-dt> If 12.10 is installed as recommended it won't help
[21:55] <len-dt> So long as we have a web page that recommends fresh install... that is good enough
[21:55] <len-dt> we can always point to it.
[21:55] <len-dt> I want to add them in R
[21:56] <ailo> I'm probably going to attend a session during UDS about derivatives having their own release schedules
[21:57] <ailo> That might be something to discuss, if were to become possible
[21:57] <len-dt> 12 mo?
[21:57] <ailo> Anything we like, probably
[21:57] <ailo> Maybe even not periodic
[21:57] <ailo> Just when we want to
[21:57] <ailo> But that might be dangerous :)
[21:58] <len-dt> ailo, the nice thing about fixed is that it would match ubuntu once in a while.
[21:58] <len-dt> it would be nice to LTS match. Less docs needed
[21:59] <ailo> It's always going to match something pretty well. But, I wonder how well a Studio installation would be when done from a Ubuntu between US releases
[21:59] <ailo> And we don't do any Ubuntu specific docs anyway
[21:59] <len-dt> there is that.


[01:22] <ChinnoDog> I do not think my issues could be covered in one conference
[01:30] <ChinnoDog> There is an unfortunate message on ubuntuforums.org
[10:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:27] <rmg51> Morning
[10:28] <jackson> morning
[10:28] <jackson> whos making all the noise
[10:29] <jackson> hmm must be the kids ..   ....   ..    ..
[10:30] <jackson> :)
[10:36] <JonathanD> yes.
[10:36] <rmg51> it's not on my end
[10:37] <rmg51> Teddy is still asleep
[10:40] <JonathanD> rmg51: we got fosscon buttons
[10:40] <JonathanD> for teddy
[10:41] <rmg51> that will make him happy
[10:42] <rmg51> he hasn't gotten any new bling for a long time
[10:48] <JonathanD> we're happy to help
[10:49] <jackson> ooooo cool
[11:02] <rmg51> walk time
[11:02] <rmg51> later
[12:11] <jackson> laters
[12:22]  * waltman yawns


[02:19] <phix> hey
[02:20] <nalioth> hi
[02:24] <nalioth> can we do something for you, phix ?
[02:34] <Flannel> phix: If there's nothing we can help you with today, please don't idle here.
[02:50] <phix> yes
[02:50] <phix> I would like to join #ubuntu
[02:51] <phix> I have decided not to use #ubuntu for venting any more :)
[02:54] <phix> can I ping you Flannel?
[02:55] <phix> as in saying your name followed by PING!, not a CTCP or ICMP ping.
[04:10] <phix> ping
[04:36] <nalioth> phix: please wait elsewhere, thanks.
[10:32] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/196183/
[10:38] <elky> nice, we're down to 335
[10:39] <ikonia> 335, how odd the product I'm looking for at the moment is called a 335
[10:39] <ikonia> it's a message !
[10:40] <Tm_T> ikonia: yes, don't buy it!
[10:40] <ikonia> oh
[10:40] <ikonia> not the message I was hoping for
[10:42] <elky> someone needs to come clean out my fridge. it stinks.
[10:42] <Tm_T> elky: if you buy me a tickets
[10:43] <elky> Tm_T, i wouldnt wish it upon a friend.
[10:43] <Tm_T> s/a\ //
[10:44] <elky> ok, who let the offtopicers drink the sugary drinks again?
[10:46] <Tm_T> not me
[10:47] <Tm_T> I gave them only two weeks old bread and water from bucket outside
[14:08] <Pici> !pulseaudio
[14:08] <Pici> er, okay.
[15:08]  * genii sips
[15:43] <genii> What, no !lol yet in -ot?   ;)
[17:47] <Myrtti> Nafallo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/3629634934/
[17:49]  * Nafallo blinks
[17:49] <Nafallo> wut?
[17:49] <Myrtti> stickers ♥
[17:49] <Nafallo> ehrm... yeah?...
[17:49] <Myrtti> :->
[17:51] <Myrtti> när ska du klistra nån på din tangentbord ;-) just kidding. They were like £3 or something. Now I don't have to search for curly brackets by heart, and D is happy as well :-P
[19:22] <Flannel> Hi bk128, how can we help you today?
[19:22] <bk128> what's the syntax again to have ubotu tell a factoid to a specific user?
[19:23] <Flannel> er, you could've asked in #ubuntu-offtopic, no need to come here to do that, but, !factoid | user might be what you're looking for
[19:24] <bk128> yeah, thanks Flannel.  just trying to help out some people in ubuntu and havent been here for awhile
[19:24] <bk128> saw this room on http://ubottu.com/
[19:24] <Flannel> Fair enough
[20:00] <Myrtti> bk128: was there anything else_
[20:00] <bk128> Myrtti: nope, thanks for asking though :-)
[20:02] <Nafallo> Myrtti: you fail at "?" :-P
[20:20] <topyli> probably a non-standard (non-finnish) keyboard :)
[20:52] <topyli> heh
[20:53] <topyli> i used to mention to RomD many times how his quit messages are offensive. anti-religious messages like "free yourself from religious slavery!" and such
[20:54] <topyli> i just talked to him in pm as  he joined, so he told me his quit message is nothing but a link to an imdb article. i was "ok, sorry to bother you then"
[20:54] <topyli> the link of course is to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/
[20:55] <Pricey> that quote is offensive?
[20:56] <topyli> well it might be provocative. i certainly take it as such
[20:56] <topyli> maybe it's me
[20:59] <Mez> hmm, his lastlog doesn't look too good
[21:01] <topyli> he's trolling about apple on u-offtopic
[21:01] <topyli> kevin that is
[21:01] <topyli> oh not anymore it seems
[21:39] <fccf> need a little help for user LuK in #ubuntu - needs to access forign lang channel and is locked out do to registration...
[21:58] <Seeker`> "due to registration"?
[22:00] <Seeker`> fccf: ?
[22:02] <fccf> Seeker: that is what he is saying in his limited english -- username LuK
[22:03] <Seeker`> what channel is he trying to join
[22:03] <fccf> not sure #ubuntu-ru or #ubuntu-bg
[22:04] <fccf> he already left #ubuntu - don't know
[22:04] <Seeker`> can't see any obvious reason why they would need to be registered to join either of those
[22:05] <Seeker`> aynway, if there isn't anything else we can help you with, please dont idle in here
[22:05] <fccf> no worries - I'll exit this channel until needed again


[07:14] <tsimonq2> xnox: You were right, Adam just marked it himself. :P
[07:52] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Difficult.  We have a part-completed thing called 'auditor' in the tree that was supposed to be for this kind of thing; but I've never looked at how far along it got, and whether it's still a sensible approach.  And it would probably require some deployment work if we stuck with that approach since IIRC it involves a separate Django app
[07:52] <cjwatson> (which seems a kind of bizarre choice for LP, which is one reason I wonder if it's still the right approach)
[08:25] <StevenK> Well, it was supposed to be a microservice because apparently they are the new hotness, but yes, I wonder that too.
[08:30] <cjwatson> Yeah, I was more thinking of Django in particular being (nowadays; possibly not when you did it) not really the obvious choice for a microservice - it needs a fair bit of ongoing upkeep
[08:30] <cjwatson> (also, hi)
[08:41] <StevenK> cjwatson: Hi! Django was not even the right fit when I wrote the thing to begin with
[08:46] <cjwatson> Heh
[08:46] <cjwatson> I've been considering a little Flask app to be an API for codehosting to be consumed by LP
[08:46] <cjwatson> Bit like the git API
[08:47] <cjwatson> (though that's pyramid.  Gotta catch 'em all)
[08:49] <StevenK> My only experience with Flask is for https://github.com/pjf/rickastley
[09:01] <cjwatson> ...
[12:19] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: OK. Would this take a particularly long time to get working if I wanted to take a shot at it?
[12:20] <tsimonq2> (Probably, eh?)
[12:24] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Quite possibly?  I haven't looked at it much myself
[12:25] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: OK.
[12:25] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: I'll ping you when I'm at the preimplementation review. :)
[12:25] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
[12:30] <cjwatson> I'd at least consider dropping the microservice and folding it back into the main DB.  It was sort of meant to be a trial balloon I believe, but we have better examples of broken-out services these days (notably git) and it's not at all clear to me that the benefit will outweigh the operational cost of a whole separate service with a single table.
[12:30] <StevenK> cjwatson: The point there was that it could be extended to be an audit log for everything, logins, password changes, etc etc
[12:31] <cjwatson> Acknowledged, but I'm still not sure it exceeds the is-it-worth-it bar for me.  wgrant might disagree.
[12:32] <StevenK> wgrant and lifeless were the ones who pushed me down the microservice rabbit hole :-P
[12:33] <StevenK> Because yes, my original plan was another database table
[12:34] <cjwatson> I certainly agree that a generic audit facility is worth it
[12:35] <cjwatson> If we stick with auditor it'll need a reasonable amount of time from either William or me to get it actually deployed - I don't think that's something an external contributor can really do, at least not mostly
[16:40] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Ack. Let me know once that's taken care of (even if a bit down the line) and I can work on that bit, unless it's just easy to add.