[00:00] <Mohan_chml> it will show you the UTC time
[00:00] <Tempus_Fugit> ok cool
[00:00] <Tempus_Fugit> ty
[00:00] <Mohan_chml> (:
[00:02] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005: are ya busy now?
[00:03] <Justin511> Mohan_chml: I think I may have it, I shall keep u posted ;)
[00:04] <Mohan_chml> argh! /me slept an hour before
[00:04] <Mohan_chml> :D
[00:04] <Justin511> Mohan_chml: IT WORKED I THINK THANKS :)
[00:05] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: Forums has whatever you need and its us just guiding you to the right stream ;)
[00:05] <Justin511> Mohan
[00:05] <Justin511> What do I do now tho lol
[00:05] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: and you yelled a lot. My ears shed blood :/
[00:05] <Justin511> haha
[00:06] <Mohan_chml> (:
[00:07] <Justin511> Is my TV Tuner a capture card?
[00:07] <Mohan_chml> Ummm...! Idk. I just searched and gave ya the link. Coz I am tired.
[00:07] <Justin511> Haha alright
[00:07] <Justin511> Thanks for the help :)
[00:08] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: your welcome ;)
[00:23] <Mohan_chml> Night all...!
[00:24] <Justin511> Night!
[00:25] <Justin511> Anyone familiar with MythTV? Do I have to PAY for the channel guide???
[00:26] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: 10 USD a day :D
[00:26] <Justin511> Lol but really
[00:27] <Mohan_chml> Justin511: I ll tell you my account number. Put the money on that ;)
[00:27] <Justin511> Aw thats nice but no thanks, I will find a way around it :)
[00:28] <Mohan_chml> lol
[00:28] <Justin511> It's like $20 a year
[00:28] <Justin511> but I have Verizon Fios
[00:28] <Justin511> This worked perfect on Windows lol
[00:29] <Mohan_chml> Bah! the one I hate.
[00:31] <Mohan_chml> kay! detaching the screen. bye.. o/
[00:40] <Tempus_Fugit> ok I am back
[01:19] <wkivel> is there something that can cause ubuntu to not shut off even with the shut off command?
[01:25] <ubuntu> I have a major problem
[01:27] <AndrewMC> !ask | ubuntu
[01:27] <ubot2> ubuntu: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[01:28] <ubuntu> I just did a fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 I downloaded the updates when they was installing the screen went black and restart and a problem was detected and when not let me fix without having to reinstall the OS because I have files on the hard drive that I can not lose
[01:28] <ubuntu> im on the live cd right now
[01:29] <AndrewMC> ubuntu: you should be able to go to Computer and enter your hard drive and take your files out and move to something like a pendrive
[01:29] <ubuntu> that would be nice if I had that options
[01:32] <wkivel> do you not a pen drive or another place to put the hard drive?
[01:33] <ubuntu> no not at the moment untel i go home and that will be some time to tomorrow and I have things I need to get done
[01:46] <ubuntu> their is no way to repair or fix what has been done without losing my data
[01:46] <aveilleux> ubuntu: What happened?
[01:51] <ubuntu> I had just did a fresh install and the updates where installing and something happened to the install it restart and it went nuts i tried to fix it with the fscn command but no luck and now it has a low graphics and will not go to the login screen
[01:52] <aveilleux> ubuntu: Can you log into a failsafe terminal?
[01:52] <ubuntu> i dont know
[01:52] <ubuntu> how
[01:54] <ubuntu> and plus iam on the live cd
[01:57] <aveilleux> ubuntu: when you boot into graphical mode, and it stops going anywhere, try hitting Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:57] <aveilleux> ubuntu: That should drop you into a command-line shell
[01:57] <aveilleux> ubuntu: From there, you can run the command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:58] <ubuntu> and that will fix my problem without losing any of my data
[02:01] <aveilleux> ubuntu: In theory. It should go over and reconfigure all of the broken packages.
[02:03] <ubuntu> ok kool
[02:03] <ubuntu> thanks ill write it down and give it a try
[02:04] <aveilleux> ubuntu: Come back here if it doesn't. I'll probably still be here
[02:07] <ubuntu> ok
[02:20] <vu1kan> <python -m SimpleHTTPServer> allows one to serve their current working directory over their lan@ localhost:8000, I would like to expose this dir to the internet.  I've already set up a ddns provider, and forwarded port 8000 through my router, what would be my next step? or could someone point me towards a how-to?
[02:47] <ubuntu> ok when it boots it goes to a black screen and says 'ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode screen, graphics card, and input device settings could not be detected correctly. will need to configure these yourself'. and the keyboard does not work so the ctrl+alt+F1 does not work
[02:47] <aveilleux> ubuntu: Hm, odd.
[02:48] <ubuntu> yeah
[02:48] <ubuntu> need had this happen before
[02:48] <aveilleux> ubuntu: While the machine is booting, mash Esc until you get to the GRUB menu
[02:48] <aveilleux> ubuntu: There should be an option for Recovery Mode
[02:49] <aveilleux> ubuntu: one of the options after booting to recovery mode should be "boot to root shell prompt"
[02:49] <aveilleux> ubuntu: Then you can run the command from there (without the sudo)
[02:49] <ubuntu> need had this happen before
[02:49] <ubuntu> hold or push esc
[02:50] <aveilleux> ubuntu: "Mash" means hit repeatedly, since the exact timing is unknown
[02:50] <aveilleux> ubuntu: Wait no, I mean Shift, not Esc
[02:51] <ubuntu> ok
[02:53] <ubuntu> ok shift ill give it a try if it does not work ill be back
[03:13] <vu1kan> <python -m SimpleHTTPServer> allows one to serve their current working directory over their lan@ localhost:8000, I would like to expose this dir to the internet.  I've already set up a ddns provider, and forwarded port 8000 through my router, what would be my next step? or could someone point me towards a how-to?
[03:51] <pcb_> hey is ther someone to help me?
[03:52] <duanedesign> pcb_: what is the problem?
[03:53] <pcb_> i want to install ubuntu netbook and have totally free ntfs partition, how can i choose the free partition on the installer?
[03:54] <pcb_> so c: is my win partition i will keep them, d: is a free ntfs (20gb)
[03:55] <duanedesign> pcb_: ok you will need to reformat the partition to something Ubuntu can install on
[03:55] <pcb_> okay can i use the live cd  with the gparted?
[03:56] <duanedesign> pcb_: i think the installer can take care of that
[03:56] <duanedesign> pcb_: yes you can also use gparted
[03:57] <pcb_> the installer just say, that i he take the free space, but i want him just taking the free partition
[03:59] <duanedesign> pcb_: their should be a specify partitions manually?
[04:00] <pcb_> yes i want to change one whole ntfs partition for ubuntu
[04:01] <pcb_> hm i will figure it out, thanks a lot
[04:02] <duanedesign> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/images/installinglucid07a.png
[04:02] <duanedesign> the last option in that screenshot
[04:23] <km0r3> duanedesign: are you there?
[04:24] <stlsaint> km0r3: are you there?
[04:24] <km0r3> hello stlsaint
[04:25] <stlsaint> km0r3: huh?
[04:25] <km0r3> stlsaint: yeah ;)
[04:25] <pedro3005> hi km0r3 , stlsaint
[04:25] <stlsaint> km0r3: what?
[04:25] <stlsaint> pedro3005: sup...like my nomination of you?? :D hehe
[04:25] <pedro3005> stlsaint, what?
[04:26] <km0r3> stlsaint: yeah, I am here
[04:26] <km0r3> hi pedro3005 !
[04:29] <pedro3005> km0r3, how's it going?
[04:29] <duanedesign> km0r3: hello
[04:30] <jimisrvrox> hey guys ive got an issue and havent a clue as to what to do....I boot up the machine and when it gets to the login screen my keyboard/mouse freeze. I can replug my mouse and it will move but my kb doesnt come back...what do I need to edit or do for my keyboard to work during login?
[04:31] <km0r3> pedro3005: good, good, thanks and you?
[04:31] <pedro3005> km0r3, I'm doing quite well, thanks.
[04:31] <duanedesign> jimisrvrox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/HalBreaksKeyboardAndMouse
[04:31] <duanedesign> that might help^^
[04:35] <jimisrvrox> ok duanedesign even running in recovery mode HAL ceases
[05:00] <jimisrvrox> duanedesign: had somebody tell me to add the # 2 to the end of the kernel line and boot...and I keep getting init messages as well and it boots but kb shuts off...I know its not the keyboard because I can access the grub menu
[05:01] <jimisrvrox> heres the init messages so...the last messages I get are init: udevtrigger main process (253) terminated with status 1 next message applies to (254) then (252) killed by TERM signal now..the 254 message is the same as 253 only number changed
[05:30] <reaper50435> how do i install adobe 10 for 64-bit
[05:32] <jimisrvrox> there should be a .deb package on adobe's website..
[05:33] <jimisrvrox> but flash is known to suck with Linux installs
[05:34] <reaper50435> never had a problem before just getting them to install because the .deb packages are in 32-bit
[05:34] <jimisrvrox> ohhh
[05:35] <reaper50435> yeah
[05:35] <reaper50435> do you know the command for install restricted software
[05:36] <jimisrvrox> I believe it would be something like sudo apt-cache search adobe
[05:40] <reaper50435> ok
[16:59] <suprengr> Where is everyone?
[17:02] <stlsaint> yo
[17:03] <suprengr> yo & boo! are we all there is?
[17:03] <suprengr> [soz for bad grammar}
[17:03] <hobgoblin> everyone is missing suprengr - though there's a whole bunch of others kicking about
[17:04] <suprengr> cool
[17:04] <suprengr> [hope there not kicking too hard ;)
[17:04] <hobgoblin> about might get upset if they are
[17:05] <suprengr> :0
[17:06] <hobgoblin> it's been quiet in here most of the day
[17:07] <suprengr> yeh, been watchin (admittedly kerrrnackerrrreed] when getting home all week... seems to have been a quiet week.
[17:08] <suprengr> perhaps we're all working too hard ;)
[17:09] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:47] <rutri> hello, I need some help getting KVM up on my Ubuntu 10.4 server.
[17:49] <rutri> is anyone here?
[17:51] <rutri> hello
[17:54] <aveilleux> rutri: I'm here, but I don't have very much experience with KVM switches
[17:54] <aveilleux> rutri: Plug 'em in and go, that's all I know about them
[17:55] <rutri> is there someone i can talk to, I have look at several forms to try and get this working.\
[17:56] <Justin511> Hey, anyone familiar with MythTV?
[17:57] <Justin511> Anyone..?
[17:58] <rutri> avelleux do you know how to change hte master password for the keyring?
[17:59] <Justin511> Can anyone show off their skills and help me?
[18:03] <hobgoblin> Justin511: I saw the logs of you and myth earlier - but not sure if anyone told you of the mythtv irc channels?
[18:04] <Justin511> No one did lol
[18:04] <Justin511> Where would they be?
[18:04] <Justin511> (Name)
[18:04] <hobgoblin> k - #mythtv-users
[18:04] <Justin511> thanks
[18:05] <hobgoblin> welcome
[19:36] <nUboon2Age> Richie965: what is it you're needing help with?
[19:36] <Richie965> that was quick lol
[19:37] <Richie965> basically im just trying to dual boot mine with my pc, but when the setup goes to load when i boot form cd my display says no signal
[19:37] <Richie965> i didnt know how to fix that so i can see or how to make my comp display through the on board now that i have a dedicated graphics card
[19:39] <nUboon2Age> Richie965: that one is over my head, though maybe others here will have some clues. ;-)
[19:45] <Karuption> hey
[19:45] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: Richie965 here is a fellow Oklahoman -- do you have any ideas for him?
[19:47] <nUboon2Age> Richie965: if you're patient someone may pop up with some insight on this.
[19:47] <Richie965> its ok i got time
[19:50] <duanedesign> hmmm
[19:52] <lukjad>  Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above.
[19:52] <Richie965> ive installed it on my laptop already i just can get rhe display to cooperate on my desktop
[19:52] <lukjad> aHAH
[19:52] <Karuption> LOL this guy was describing terminal as just an app
[19:56] <duanedesign> Richie965: At the main Ubuntu screen press [F4 (Modes)]
[19:56] <duanedesign> Select “Safe Graphics Mode” [Enter]
[19:56] <duanedesign> . With “Try Ubuntu without any changes…” highlighted press [Enter] again.
[19:56] <Richie965> i cant get that far, its when i try to boot the installation from the cd i made
[19:56] <duanedesign> Richie965: does that sound possible?
[19:57] <duanedesign> Richie965: so the cd does not even get to the menu where you select 'try ubuntu', 'install ubuntu', etc...
[19:57] <Richie965> basically i put the cd in and restart to boot from cd, it goes to that screen thats red and says ubuntu and has the loading dots, then when it seems to finish loading and go into setup my display says "no signal"
[19:58] <Richie965> after flickering
[19:58] <Richie965> i dont know how to display from my on boards graphics instead of my card or how to make my ati work
[20:00] <duanedesign> Richie965: you might have to use the 'Alternate Install' it uses no GUI
[20:00] <Richie965> the text type install. once i get it installed that way will i be able to boot it up when i turn my comp on
[20:01] <duanedesign> Richie965: seems to be something that affects ati cards.
[20:01] <duanedesign> Richie965: "You have to install in text mode first, then get the system up to a terminal prompt and install the proprietary fglrx driver for the ATI card. After that point X should work."
[20:02] <Richie965> ok sounds good thanks
[20:03] <duanedesign> Richie965: is it a ATI hd5xxx cards
[20:03] <Richie965> yes, is that bad
[20:03] <Richie965> 5570
[20:04] <duanedesign> Richie965: their is a bug report on it
[20:04] <duanedesign> the release ISOs never change after release. If you can't get 10.04 LTS installed due to this bug, please try installing using the alternative ISO which has a text mode installer I think. Once 10.04 LTS is installed, perform a full upgrade to get the new firmware. Then, everything should hopefully work.
[20:05] <duanedesign> bug 560306
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 560306 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 3 other projects) "[lucid] ATI hd5xxx cards wrongly doing kms? (affects: 38) (dups: 5) (heat: 203)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560306
[20:05] <meindian523> fix released
[20:05] <Richie965> well my on board through the vga is a integrated 4200, is there a way to get my comp to display through that instead of my 5570
[20:06] <meindian523> hardware way is to disconnect the 5570, software way duanedesign?
[20:06] <Richie965> so if i uninstalled the driver for the 5570 and took it off for a min that would work?
[20:07] <Richie965> i have no problem doing that
[20:07] <duanedesign> i am not aware of a software way, other than the boot in safe-mode. But Richie can not even get that far in the livecd
[20:07] <meindian523> :(
[20:07] <Richie965> well im running windows 7 now so i can do whatever needs to be done before
[20:07] <Richie965> i just want to make ubuntu a dual boot
[20:08] <meindian523> Richie965, uninstalling the Windows driver for your 5570 wouldn't affect your problem in the least
[20:08] <meindian523> either for better or for worse
[20:08] <Richie965> ok
[20:09] <Richie965> i havnt tried taking the card out and doing that, ill try that real quick, if im back soon then it didnt work lol
[20:09] <meindian523> what you could do is shut down, remove the 5570, install Ubuntu and then plug back your 5570
[20:09] <meindian523> I'm not sure of this
[20:09] <Richie965> ok ima try that, be back either way
[20:09] <duanedesign> some in the bug report say "Switching DVI ports (to first port) solved the issue for me"
[20:09] <meindian523> just my line of thinkin
[20:09] <Richie965> well i use an hdmi with my 5570
[20:09] <meindian523> Richie965, wait
[20:09] <Richie965> 5570 doesnt even have a dvi, just a dvi-dl
[20:09] <meindian523> Try the DVI port
[20:10] <Richie965> my on board has a dvi
[20:10] <meindian523> nope, needs a DVI on the 5570
[20:10] <Richie965> well hell
[20:10] <Richie965> all it has is a dvi-dl, hdmi, and that other thing that looks like a usb
[20:11] <meindian523> duanedesign, you would advise path above?
[20:11] <meindian523> "what you could do is shut down, remove the 5570, install Ubuntu and then plug back your 5570"
[20:12] <duanedesign> whichever your more comftorable with
[20:12] <Richie965> well removing it and trying wouldnt hurt it i dont think
[20:12] <meindian523> at best you could install via LiveCD
[20:13] <meindian523> at worst you would be stuck where you are now
[20:13] <duanedesign> or use the text installer
[20:13] <Richie965> well i dl'ed the 10.04 from ubuntu.com and iso it on a cd
[20:13] <meindian523> be careful to plug it back in before you boot into Windows tho
[20:15] <duanedesign> Richie965: does your cd t your CD contains multiple files and folders and not just the ISO file.
[20:15] <Richie965> ok ill be back
[20:15] <Richie965> lemme look to make sure
[20:15] <Richie965> i used nero to burn the iso
[20:16] <Richie965> yeah it has files
[20:16] <Richie965> .disk, install, all that
[20:16] <duanedesign> okies :)
[20:16] <Richie965> be back
[20:16] <duanedesign> guess that would of been too easy
[20:16] <meindian523> k
[20:16] <meindian523> yeah
[20:16] <meindian523> duanedesign, you a web designer right?
[20:17] <duanedesign> meindian523: yes i did web design for awhile
[20:18] <meindian523> duanedesign, I'm trying to learn some HTML and CSS
 I did a lot of Flash work </whisper>
[20:18] <meindian523> saw an awesome site, could you explain one particular feature of it?
[20:18] <meindian523> :)
[20:19] <duanedesign> i saw a neat CSS page the other day
[20:19]  * duanedesign goes to find it
[20:22]  * meindian523 waits
[20:31] <duanedesign> meindian523: sorry
[20:31] <duanedesign> took forever
[20:31] <duanedesign> http://divitodesign.com/css/960-css-framework-learn-basics/
[20:32] <meindian523> np
[20:32] <duanedesign> this kinda explains the concept of a CSS framework. I like the 960
[20:32] <meindian523> hmm
[20:33] <meindian523> duanedesign, what I was going to point you to was http://minimaldesign.net
[20:33] <Karuption> has anybody install Twisted py lib on there box?
[20:33] <Karuption> installed*
[20:33] <meindian523> duanedesign, how did that menu come sliding out horizontal
[20:34] <meindian523> the hover tag is being used to activate it
[20:34] <meindian523> but how horizontal?
[20:34] <pedro3005> Karuption, yeah, sure
[20:35] <Karuption> pedro3005: is it hard?
[20:35] <pedro3005> Karuption, to install?
[20:35] <Karuption> yea lol lmao
[20:36] <pedro3005> Karuption, no, just "sudo apt-get install python-twisted"
[20:42] <duanedesign> meindian523: i think it is this javascript  http://minimaldesign.net/_js/md.js
[20:43] <meindian523> duanedesign, nope, the thing works even with NoScript blocking everything
[20:43] <meindian523> it might bethe js
[20:43] <meindian523> *be the
[20:43] <meindian523> but it works with pure CSS too
[20:44] <lukjad> sun-java6-plugin is installed
[20:44] <lukjad> But firefox does nto see it :\
[20:46] <duanedesign> meindian523: http://www.webstuffshare.com/2010/04/nice-menu-css-animation-jquery-animate/ <--read the 'PURE CSS'
[20:46] <duanedesign> meindian523: interesting
[20:48] <meindian523> duanedesign, what's interesting?
[20:49] <duanedesign> meindian523: the technique.
[20:51] <meindian523> yeah, works with just CSS and no js
[20:52] <Richie965> well guys that worked
[20:53] <Richie965> just gotta check to see how to use this card with it and configure my wireless with it
[20:54] <duanedesign> meindian523: if you notice it does not fade out when using just CSS
[20:54] <duanedesign> Richie965: cool
[20:55] <meindian523> Richie965, now, have you booted into Win yet?
[20:55] <Richie965> yeah im back in win 7 with my 55760 on
[20:55] <Richie965> *5570
[20:55] <meindian523> Richie965, Win didn't complain about anything did it?
[20:55] <Richie965> i just dual booted and gave ubuntu 125 gb
[20:55] <ubot2> Richie965: Bug 125 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/125 is private
[20:56] <Richie965> not so far, been quit
[20:56] <Richie965> *quiet
[20:56] <meindian523> k
[20:56] <duanedesign> meindian523: when you mouse-out. The text just disapears with NoScript blocking the javascript. With NoScript allowing the JS it has a nice slow fade out.
[20:56] <meindian523> Richie965, finished installing Ubuntu?
[20:56] <Richie965> yeah
[20:56] <Richie965> i booted into it a few times to check it, seems to work fine
[20:56] <meindian523> duanedesign, yeah, but I'm willing to settle for that if I can get a -out-of-nowhere- menu :)
[20:56] <meindian523> Richie965, cool, installed the fglrx driver?
[20:57] <Richie965> i havnt tried booting into it with this card yet though
[20:57] <duanedesign> meindian523: sure, i agree
[20:57] <meindian523> ah
[20:57] <Richie965> i wanna configure my netwrok first since it doesnt auto pickup my wireless
[20:57] <meindian523> Richie965, ok
[20:57] <duanedesign> Richie965: run the updates. sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:57] <meindian523> does it get your wired network?
[20:58] <Richie965> i dont have a wired on it
[20:58] <meindian523> ohk
[20:59] <meindian523> duanedesign, can't get updates without wireless
[20:59] <Richie965> just rying to figure out what all info i need to be able to type it in to pick it up
[20:59] <meindian523> card manufacturer, ubuntu version, card name ought to be enough
[20:59] <Richie965> i meant for my network
[20:59] <meindian523> +site:ubuntuforums.org
[21:00] <meindian523> oh, your wireless card works fine
[21:00] <meindian523> but it doesn't connect to your network
[21:00] <Richie965> yeah but ubuntu didnt auto pick up the network like my windows did
[21:00] <meindian523> is that what you are saying
[21:00] <meindian523> ohk
[21:00]  * meindian523 thought Ubuntu didn't detect the wireless card drivers
[21:01] <meindian523> :facepalm:
[21:01] <Richie965> lol
[21:01] <Richie965> idk that it hasnt yet
[21:01] <Richie965> that may be why it didnt autodetect
[21:01] <Richie965> hoping not
[21:01] <Richie965> otherwise im gonna have to make a cd with all the drivers and boot on ub and load them
[21:02] <meindian523> Richie965, when you clicked on the wireless signal indicator on the system tray, did it see the networks
[21:02] <Richie965> nope
[21:02] <meindian523> ?
[21:02] <Richie965> just had the exclaimation on it
[21:02] <meindian523> hmm
[21:02] <meindian523> did you right click on it and enable networking?
[21:02] <Richie965> yeah
[21:02] <meindian523> no joy?
[21:03] <Richie965> not even a chubby
[21:03] <meindian523> did you right click on it and enable wireless? :P
[21:03] <duanedesign> if you left-click and see networks it is working (duane is stating the obvious) :P
[21:03] <Richie965> yeah didnt have that
[21:03] <meindian523> duanedesign, +1
[21:03] <duanedesign> their is a good help page on troubleshooting wireless https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[21:04] <meindian523> Richie965, didn't have visible networks or didn't have enable wireless?
[21:04] <Richie965> didnt have visible
[21:04] <Richie965> i saw the boxes where it had the three enables and all that
[21:05] <Richie965> ima jump on and play with it more
[21:05] <meindian523> ok
[21:05] <duanedesign> the command lshw should tell you if the driver is loaded
[21:05] <Richie965> ok
[21:05] <Richie965> be back
[21:07]  * meindian523 still doesn't understand howthe menu was horizontal
[21:09] <Justin511> Hey, when I load up TvTime Channel 4 has the Verizon logo
[21:09] <Justin511> How do I watch TV?
[21:10] <Richie965> yeah its just not picking up drivers, gonna make a cd
[21:11] <Justin511> Anyone?
[21:12] <meindian523> Richie965, look thru the troubleshooter
[21:12] <meindian523> so you know where the problem is occurring
[21:13] <Richie965> well it told my display to f off, so ima do that first
[21:16] <meindian523> lol
[21:17] <meindian523> chicken and egg
[21:17] <Richie965> are .run files the same as exe in linux
[21:19]  * meindian523 doesn't know, duanedesign ?
[21:20] <Richie965> ima assume so cause thats what format the ati site has it in
[21:23] <duanedesign> meindian523: yes the ati flgrx is a .run file
[21:23] <duanedesign> err Richie965
[21:24] <duanedesign> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[21:25] <duanedesign> meindian523: i understand the instructions on  http://www.webstuffshare.com/2010/04/nice-menu-css-animation-jquery-animate/ but looking at that website I cant quite see how he did it.
[21:26] <duanedesign> But if you look at the examples they  aare very similar. They are set up using a list and have a jQuery version as well as a CSS only implementation
[21:26] <duanedesign> http://webstuffshare.com/demo/CSSNiceMenu/
[22:45] <bobo123> hi! Anyone here at the computer an saturday evening? (hopefully)
[22:45] <bobo123> A webpage made aware that System/Administration-menu is possible to change, so I removed programrepositories from it (like in 10.10) to make the menu easier to find in (I'm in Synaptic anyway when I change such) and saw that I have an extra programrepositories listed in System/Administration so I wonder where it have come from/why it is there?
[22:46] <bobo123> If I run that one I only get an grey dialog box that says "Please run this software with administrative rights. To do so, run this program with kdesudo."   Is it becasue something I done I also got this kde-controlpanel, or was it there at ubuntu installation (even though not turned on and not working) ?
[22:47] <stlsaint> bobo123: sup
[22:48] <bobo123> hi stlsaint
[22:48] <stlsaint> reading...
[22:48] <stlsaint> bobo123: your on kubuntu?
[22:49] <bobo123> nope. I'm using normal ubuntu 10.04
[22:49] <stlsaint> so what is kdesudo doing there?
[22:50] <bobo123> yeah... strange. and the menu should have had a kdsudo in the menu command if it was supposed to work
[22:50] <stlsaint> bobo123: also im not sure what it is you are asking
[22:50] <bobo123> Well what have put it there? / or is it there for all ubuntu10.04 installations (just noone see it because it unchecked)
[22:51] <aveilleux> bobo123: kde-controlpanel should not be installed on a normal Ubuntu system.
[22:51] <aveilleux> bobo123: It must have been installed as a dependency for something. Have you installed any KDE-based software lately?
[22:52] <bobo123> it seems to run the command "software-properties-kde"
[22:52] <bobo123> aha.. perhaps...
[22:53] <stlsaint> bobo123: yea you have installed something that requires kde-desktop package
[22:53] <stlsaint> or close to it
[22:53] <bobo123> Oh yeah I have installed Krusader two-panel filemanger. it is a KDE-application. perhaps it is its fault
[22:54] <stlsaint> yep yep
[22:54] <aveilleux> bobo123: That would do it
[22:58] <bobo123> I suppose it is possible to look at what a package installation do, what the deb file do when installed.
[22:58] <aveilleux> bobo123: Yes, it'll tel you what dependencies will be installed
[23:12] <bobo123> It seems to that krusader is dependent on kdebase-runtime, that _recomends_ kubuntu-debug-installer, that is dependent on kpackagekit that is dependent on software-properties-kde :-)
[23:12] <tcm5025> can anyone help me with installation?
[23:13] <tcm5025> #ubuntuforums
[23:13] <stlsaint> tcm5025: sure
[23:13] <stlsaint> tcm5025: what issues are you having?
[23:14] <tcm5025> hey thanks, i'm trying to use it off my usb stick
[23:14] <bobo123> is it possible to set synaptic to not just go install packages that is "recomended"? to more like opt-in list the recomended ones for me to select if I want during installation of a program like krusader?
[23:14] <tcm5025> i know the usb stick is ok cause i was able to run ubuntu on it with another computer
[23:14] <tcm5025> whenever i try to run it or install it on the computer i want it on, it just goes blank after the screen with the logo and the loading dots
[23:15] <Richie965> ati radeon graphics card?
[23:15] <Richie965> tcm?
[23:16] <bobo123> tcm5025: so it is perhapse not the usb's fault but ubuntu that douesn't like your computer graphics card or something, and you would get same result from the cd, or?
[23:16] <tcm5025> i'm not sure, it's on an older laptop. it's integrated probably
[23:17] <tcm5025> i didnt' try loading from cd or anything else
[23:17] <tcm5025> just the usb stick
[23:17] <tcm5025> is there a certain graphics card requirement to run it?
[23:17] <Richie965> tcm5025, well whats happening is that the driver isnt reconized by ubuntu
[23:17] <Richie965> i had the same problem this morning with an installation i was doing
[23:18] <tcm5025> is there a way to make it work, or is just not going to be compatible with my laptop?
[23:19] <Richie965> idk about a laptop, mine was on a desktop and i just had to remove my new graphics and use the integrated
[23:20] <tcm5025> i guess i just can't use it at all if it doesn't like my graphics card. the computer's not worth upgrading really
[23:21] <Richie965> the only other option would be to go ahead and download and install the linux version of the driver, but ubuntu still may not pick up that its there
[23:22] <tcm5025> alright, i guess i'll try that
[23:22] <tcm5025> hopefully it exists
[23:23] <bobo123> it must be possible to do the alternate non-graphical install, and get a working graphics driver then and then startating graphics after?
[23:24] <Richie965> yeah it that doesnt work u can get the alternate download off ubuntu.com, doesnt use the gui
[23:24] <Richie965> its like a text install
[23:26] <tcm5025> do you know where i can get the linux version of the driver? video card manufacturer's website?
[23:27] <Richie965> yeah just google what card it is
[23:29] <tcm5025> so i'll try installing that driver on windows first, and if that doesn't help then install ubuntu with the text install and then try to download the same driver?
[23:30] <tcm5025> i'll have to figure out how to install the driver with a non gui version of ubuntu then though?
[23:31] <Richie965> the version of ubuntu is the same, just the instalation is non-gui
[23:32] <tcm5025> well if the installation gui won't work.... won't i run into problems with the os gui too?
[23:33] <Richie965> or
[23:33] <Richie965> i thin konce u get it on u can install the driver and itll work


[02:04] <robert_ancell> desrt, yo
[02:13] <psusi> is there a command line way to adjust mouse sensitivity?
[02:13] <psusi> since upgrading to quantal my mouse is way too sensitive and the slider in the system settings has no effect
[02:17] <bryceh> psusi, you can use xinput to do this.  xinput list identifies the input device number for your mouse.  xinput list-props should tell you what params can be tweaked.  See man xinput for more details.
[02:17] <bryceh> psusi, note that any settings you change with that will not persist across sessions
[02:18] <psusi> thanks
[02:18] <desrt> robert_ancell: hi
[02:19] <robert_ancell> desrt, what's the plan for d-conf 0.16?
[02:19] <desrt> psusi: i'm sure the (persistent) sensitivity is stored as a gsetting...
[02:19] <desrt> robert_ancell: in what sense?
[02:19] <desrt> aday's bug?
[02:19] <robert_ancell> desrt, worth getting in for raring or might pick up some dependency we don't want?
[02:19] <desrt> oh ya
[02:19] <desrt> it's going in raring
[02:19] <desrt> but seb wants to wait for the new year
[02:22] <robert_ancell> why wait, I might just upload it now
[02:22] <robert_ancell> oh he said you might be taking some time off right?
[02:25] <psusi> oh thank god... xset did the trick
[02:25] <psusi> was driving me nuts... n v t s, nuts
[02:26] <sarnold> psusi: thanks for reporting back. :)
[02:27] <desrt> robert_ancell: did dconf grow a dependency on the unstable glib series yet?
[02:27] <psusi> so yea... the control panel is just broken... touching the slider there in any way makes it go back to full blast... what package should a bug be filed against for that?
[02:27] <desrt> robert_ancell: if it hasn't, it's only by chance...
[02:27] <robert_ancell> desrt, don't think so
[02:30] <desrt> robert_ancell: anyway.. we have a green-list of packages for upgrade this cycle...
[02:30] <desrt> glib, gobject-introspection, pygobject, gvfs, dconf...
[02:30] <desrt> so i'm sure nobody would mind
[02:32] <robert_ancell> desrt, nah, I've marked 0.15 as unstable
[02:37] <desrt> robert_ancell: what does that mean?
[02:37] <robert_ancell> desrt, versions tracker wont report it as out of date
[02:38] <desrt> cool...
[05:34] <pitti> Good morning
[05:34] <pitti> thomi: hello
[05:50] <didrocks> good morning
[07:16] <BigWhale> Good morning all.
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> w00t: INFO | Result summary:
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> INFO | Passed: 1518
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> INFO | Failed: 17
[07:52] <chrisccoulson> much better than yesterday!
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:00] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:01] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks!
[08:01] <didrocks> good morning pitti, chrisccoulson!
[08:01] <pitti> had a nice morning, new dbusmock is out :)
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, how are you?
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti, excellent
[08:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti, i had an interesting day yesterday, that turned out to be caused by optipng ;)
[08:02] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm good, thanks! yourself?
[08:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, does that break tests?
[08:02] <larsu> good morning everyone!
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> i was getting failures in firerfox tests that i couldn't reproduce in my build env, and it turns out it's because of some images being modified :)
[08:02] <didrocks> hey larsu :)
[08:02] <pitti> hello larsu
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - this was one of the tests that was failing: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/3692c11ce73e/modules/libjar/zipwriter/test/unit/test_asyncadd.js
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> it packs some files in to a zip archive using various methods, and verifies the size of it
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> and of course, one of the files had to be a png ;)
[08:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can/should we fix that in pkgbinarymangler? i. e. is it in a path or so which indicates that it shouldn't be touched? something with /tests/ or so?
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti, quite possibly. i'm installing all tests in to /usr/lib/firefox-testsuite at the moment, although i could make that /usr/lib/firefox/tests instead
[08:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I could also filter out all paths with "test" in it, might be easier?
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that would be fine
[08:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: of course if that is only tests, you could just build with NO_PNG_PKG_MANGLE=1
[08:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: or just disable all mangling with export NO_PKG_MANGLE=1 in debian/rules
[08:14] <pitti> then none of the other stuff will jump in between
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that's what i ended up doing for now (the NO_PNG_PKG_MANGLE trick)
[08:14] <pitti> ah, that sounds good
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> most png's used by firefox are in a jar file in any case. i think the only one that isn't is for the desktop file
[08:45] <BigWhale> Will python 2.x still be available in 13.04 on the installation CD?
[08:47] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:47] <seb128> BigWhale, not sure yet, we are aiming at dropping it but there are a few difficult items remaining
[08:47] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:48] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:49] <didrocks> hey seb128! good morning ;)
[08:49] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:50] <BigWhale> Ah well, I'll just start porting Kazam to 3.0 ...
[08:52] <BigWhale> seb128, ImportError: No module named xdg.BaseDirectory that's a bummer
[08:52] <BigWhale> :))
[08:53] <BigWhale> ok I found python3-xdg
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[08:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, I'm good, how are you?
[08:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, pretty good thanks
[09:18] <Laney> morning
[09:19] <Laney> my S3 comes today, ending my isolation from modern society
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> do you want your own private cloud?
[09:19] <chrisccoulson> http://mashable.com/2012/11/15/berndnaut-smilde-clouds/
[09:20] <Laney> heh
[09:30] <Laney> qengho / micahg: Got any immediate plans for webkit?
[09:30] <Laney> Otherwise I'll upload 1.10.1
[09:43] <Chipaca> o/
[09:43] <Chipaca> are we switching to the gentoo udev fork?
[12:27] <pitti> Laney: bug 1079102 looks good to me; do you want to commit this right to Debian?
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079102 in libproxy (Ubuntu) "libproxy needs a compile/link/run test" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079102
[12:27]  * pitti takes bug 1078719 and commits it to Debian/uploads to Ubuntu
[12:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078719 in gconf (Ubuntu) "libgconf2-dev needs a compile/link/run test" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078719
[12:28] <Laney> pitti: I'm leaving libproxy alone in Debian for now, until someone decides what they want to do with it
[12:28] <Laney> but when that is resolved I'll back-sync it
[12:30] <Laney> how long is it until we see it run on our jenkins? :-)
[12:30] <pitti> Laney: about an hour until it gets published
[12:30] <pitti> err, s/until/after/
[12:30] <Laney> nice
[12:31] <pitti> (at most, usually less)
[13:12] <qengho> Laney: nothing this week or next, probably.
[13:30] <desrt> morning folks
[13:49] <attente> morning
[14:15]  * kenvandine hugs pitti for python-dbusmock
[14:16] <pitti> kenvandine: :)
[14:16] <kenvandine> pitti, can templates be packaged along with the package that owns the service it mocks?
[14:16] <kenvandine> it would be cool for maintenance
[14:17] <pitti> kenvandine: in theory yes, but perhaps let's not yet until the concept stabilizes
[14:17] <Laney> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-proposed-adt-libproxy/ \o/
[14:17] <kenvandine> ok
[14:21] <kenvandine> pitti, i love the idea, it's going to make testing libfriends much easier!
[14:21] <didrocks> hey kenvandine, how are you?
[14:21] <kenvandine> good
[14:21] <kenvandine> and you?
[14:21] <didrocks> excellent, thanks :)
[14:21] <kenvandine> didrocks, got all those projects renamed :)
[14:21] <didrocks> kenvandine: waow, awesome \o/
[14:21]  * didrocks hugs kenvandine
[14:22] <kenvandine> 13 of them :)
[14:22] <kenvandine> much better now
[14:22] <didrocks> kenvandine: indeed, no more issue to find the right project
[14:22] <didrocks> kenvandine: and it was a little bit of a PITA to configure TBH :)
[14:22] <didrocks> happy that you achieved it quickly ;)
[14:24] <kenvandine> looks like the video lens has been renamed as well
[14:24] <kenvandine> thanks davidcalle!
[14:24] <kenvandine> didrocks, we also renamed unity-lens-gdocs to unity-scope-gdrive
[14:24] <kenvandine> so i'll be renaming the package there
[14:24] <davidcalle> kenvandine, thanks to czajkowski :)
[14:24] <kenvandine> gdocs is a deprecated name
[14:24] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[14:24] <kenvandine> she did mine too
[14:24] <didrocks> kenvandine: sweet :)
[14:25] <didrocks> thanks davidcalle, czajkowski!
[14:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, I saw the discussion on the gdocs MP
[14:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh btw, did you see my additional comment on robru's MP?
[14:26] <czajkowski> :)
[14:27] <kenvandine> didrocks, not yet
[14:27] <kenvandine> oh right
[14:27] <kenvandine> thx
[14:28] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:54] <tkamppeter> Sweetshark, hi
[15:56] <micahg> Laney: not until there's a security update
[15:56] <Laney> righto
[15:57] <Sweetshark> tkamppeter: you have 5 minutes ;)
[15:57]  * Sweetshark desperately needs some food after this call.
[16:04] <tkamppeter> Sweetshark, what are the problems with the GTK print dialog in LO, what features are missing?
[16:06] <robru> kenvandine, didrocks: hey, just got up. late start today, I'm still quite sick. I'll make that change to the webapps mp right away though
[16:06] <kenvandine> thanks
[16:06] <kenvandine> robru, good morning :)
[16:07] <robru> kenvandine, good morning ;-)
[16:07] <didrocks> robru: take it easy, hope you will feel better soon! :) good morning
[16:07] <robru> kenvandine, also, I seem to be obligated to take my mother in law to brunch this morning, so it'll probably be a few hours before I'm officially on the clock
[16:08] <kenvandine> :)
[16:08] <robru> but I'm doing this mp right now ;-)
[16:16] <robru> kenvandine, didrocks: mp updated. I'm out for brunch now ;-)
[16:16] <kenvandine> enjoy
[16:16] <kenvandine> thx
[16:16] <didrocks> robru: enjoy:
[16:16] <didrocks> :)
[16:17] <mitya57> Does LibreOffice use Gtk dialogs? I thought it has its own ones...
[17:04] <czajkowski> pitti: ping
[17:04] <czajkowski> TB meeting
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> awesome:
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> REFTEST INFO | Successful: 54764 (54764 pass, 0 load only)
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> REFTEST INFO | Unexpected: 0 (0 unexpected fail, 0 unexpected pass, 0 unexpected asserts, 0 unexpected fixed asserts, 0 failed load, 0 exception)
[17:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: \o/
[17:16] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, that is a TON of tests :)
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, that's not all of them
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> i'm probably only half way
[17:24] <Trevinho> didrocks: are the bamf tests report somewhat still needed?
[17:24] <Trevinho> didrocks: the GTester Unit Test Report I mean
[17:25] <didrocks> Trevinho: need to run our for 40 minutes, will be back after that, but the answer is yes :)
[17:27] <hankhendrix> hello, I'm wanting to edit the behaviour of "Change Desktop Background" on the desktop context menu. Anyone know which package contains the source?
[17:43] <mitya57> hankhendrix, the menu is provided by nautilus and opens a gnome-control-center panel
[17:58] <hankhendrix> mitya57 thanks
[17:58] <hankhendrix> #mitya57 thanks
[18:17] <hankhendrix> I've just changed the source to nautilus package...does anyone know if I can repackage and test?
[18:17] <Sweetshark> tkamppeter: see http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-td4018786.html -- if you want to discuss details, ping dtardon on #libreoffice-dev (maybe tommorrow before noon?)
[18:17] <hankhendrix> (I'm new to Ubuntu dev)
[18:20] <sarnold> hankhendrix: some directions on setting up sbuild are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment -- though there are portions that probably are less useful to people not on the security team...
[18:21] <hankhendrix> thanks sarnold
[18:24] <hankhendrix> will sbuild allow me to repackage nautilus and effectively install it on my own system?
[18:24] <hankhendrix> I've read through the docs but need an expert answer!
[18:26] <tkamppeter> Sweetshark, thanks.
[18:26] <sarnold> hankhendrix: this _might_ be easier to use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[18:30] <hankhendrix> thanks man, do you know what IDE I could use to test source?
[18:31] <hankhendrix> I'm a JavaScript and PHP dev so compiled langs is new to me!
[18:41] <sarnold> hankhendrix: hrm, I just use vim. Seems a lot of people like eclipse, but I never got the hang of it.
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> is it possible to disable the xscreensaver extension when running xvfb?
[19:44] <sarnold> chrisccoulson: would that be 'xset s off' ?
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> sarnold, yeah, that would probably do it. thanks :)
[21:21] <desrt> robert_ancell: thanks for playing whitespace police :p
[21:22] <robert_ancell> heh, I feel like a pedant
[21:24] <robert_ancell> desrt, that GSubprocess patch is so close to landing! That has to be the longest bug thread I've ever followed
[21:25] <desrt> robert_ancell: i really enjoy the improvements that it's getting as a result
[21:25] <robert_ancell> yeah, you want to get it right
[21:25] <desrt> the way colin just implemented g_main_send_signal() or whatever it's called is awesome
[22:50] <Chucrute301> Hi guys
[22:50] <Chucrute301> Anyone can help me?
[22:51] <Chucrute301> ?
[22:57] <TheMuso> Chucrute301: Just ask your question./
[22:57] <Chucrute301> Ok
[22:57] <Chucrute301> My pc have a nvidia card
[22:58] <Chucrute301> But, after i install proprietary card the unity slowdown
[22:58] <Chucrute301> In nouveau is fast :/
[22:59] <Chucrute301> This problem is ONLY on unity
[23:01] <TheMuso> But I am guessing there is a reason you need to use the proprietary drivers?
[23:02] <Chucrute301> Yes
[23:02] <TheMuso> I suggest filing a bug against unity in launchpad, using the ubuntu-bug command: "ubuntu-bug unity" should do it.
[23:03] <Chucrute301> In proprietary i have better performance and i have colors more vivid
[23:03] <Chucrute301> I will do it
[23:04] <Chucrute301> After i install nvidia 310
[23:04] <TheMuso> Yes make sure you have the proprietary drivers installed.
[23:05] <Chucrute301> In nvidia 304 i have this bug
[23:05] <Chucrute301> In nouveau i dont hav
[23:05] <TheMuso> Ok, well make sure you include that information in the bug.
[23:06] <Chucrute301> In nvidia site shows that 310 drivers solve opengl performance bug in unity
[23:06] <Chucrute301> I will test
[23:06] <Chucrute301> If this driver dont solve my problem i will make a bug report
[23:07] <Chucrute301> This is a nvidia driver bug or a unity bug????
[23:14] <TheMuso> I don't know.
[23:14] <TheMuso> WHich is why I suggested filing a bug against unity. The problem could be there, but at the least you can get help to find the right problem area, whether it be the driver or unity.
[23:16] <Chucrute301> Thanks!


[02:51] <KevslingerqC> now I know how large is shbot
[02:51] <KevslingerqC> I pushed a rather large change to a shared library after having developed and unit-tested all the actual library files themselves. Running the unit tests in gradle works fine. But in Jenkins I get "org.codehaus.groovy.control.MultipleCompilationErrorsException: startup failed:". Nowhere in the stack trace is my code mentioned. I only know I can provoke it by importing a specific file from the library.. How might i fix it
[02:52] <KevslingerqC> 165ma from a 44 size cell not bad
[02:52] <KevslingerqC> actually maybe it depends on whether you're talking about infinite direct sum or infinite direct product
[02:52] <Guest16682> Oh, yeah, it does measure resistance. Awesome.
[02:52] <Guest16682> If you want to test it out, look up "Acumin Pro SemiCondensed", it's got like 14 different styles.
[02:52] <Guest16682> there is no just 'server_name' var. that is a field in a nested dict from the var 'item' (the loop var)
[05:32] <kimundi> I'll just think of arrows as "the thing that appears in functions" then :P
[05:33] <kimundi> sjohnson: this actually was unrelated to the conversation we just had
[05:33] <kimundi> they'll sell usb-c to usb-c, tb3 to tb3, but they won't sell usb-c to abject disappointment.  I guess they could't decide how to label it
[06:20] <p_loC> zumba_ad_ systemctl is just enableing the service to start at boot, safe to run it twice.
[06:20] <p_loC> The cathode or anode indicates which side of the RGB LEDs are tied togeather.
[06:20] <p_loC> solidfox: Your username, probably.
[06:20] <p_loC> -v can also be handy
[07:42] <laamaEV> Random10: You are here in #fedora-unregistered because you are not registered or identified with freenode. See https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration or /msg nickserv help register for more information.
[07:42] <laamaEV> j416: OK. Let me explain. I have an existing repository with LFS files. The default is to sync to github. I want to be able to also push files to another remote git server.
[07:42] <laamaEV> or transfer the value raw as is
[07:42] <laamaEV> For changing its date format


[22:53] <pitti> bryce_, tseliot: oh, nevermind me; fglrx-installer is the source for xorg-driver-fglrx
[22:53] <slangasek> xorg-driver-fglrx is built from ...yeha
[22:54] <slangasek> bryce_: so should the comments on fglrx be dropped from the release notes completely at this point?
[22:54] <bryce_> slangasek: yes
[22:54] <jdong> so fglrx is gonna be really really good on Intrepid right? :)
[22:54] <slangasek> w00t
[22:54] <bryce_> pitti: righto
[22:54]  * jdong digs out his dungeon laptop
[22:54] <slangasek> jdong: no, it's going to be non-free binary crap like always ;-)
[22:54] <bryce_> jdong: I sure hope so!
[22:55] <jdong> slangasek: lol I have a big collection of {free, non-free} {binary, source} crap right now :D
[22:55] <jdong> I think I'll survive
[22:55] <bryce_> jdong: actually I'll be satisfied with "sort of works almost as good as it did in hardy"
[22:55] <pitti> bryce_: so I guess https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/262819 can actually be closed now, too?
[22:55] <jdong> speaking of that, bryce_ while you're here, what will it take for concurrent AIGLX sessions?
[22:55] <pitti> that also means we need to revert the update-manager transition to ati
[22:56] <jdong> i.e. two VTs running Compiz with Intel
[22:56] <cjwatson> yay, under 100 targeted bugs
[22:56] <tseliot> pitti: yes, and we will also have to make jockey depend on the modalias package
[22:56] <jdong> pitti: while I have you here, can I get your opinion on bug 281835?
[22:56] <slangasek> cjwatson: also-w00t
[22:57] <jdong> pitti: I can't see the trivial workaround causing any problems
[22:57] <bryce_> pitti: I figured this was a prereq for that, so didn't list the upload as closing the bug, but yeah once jockey is suitably poked, can be closed.
[22:57] <slangasek> now give me a second to pile some more on from the other end ;)
[22:57] <pitti> bryce_: yes, I just closed the fglrx-installer task.
[22:57] <bryce_> jdong: concurrent AIGLX - not sure maybe ask upstream
[22:57] <cjwatson> slangasek: yeah, I've been slightly futilely trying to sort wheat from chaff in +nominations too
[22:57] <jdong> bryce_: ok so it's not supposed to work right now on -intel right?
[22:58] <jdong> bryce_: the 2nd display started up lacks any DRI
[22:58] <bryce_> pitti: re reverting the update-manager transition, yes I was about to mention that to mvo, but if you know what needs reverted, please proceed
[22:58] <cjwatson> but the list is horrific
[22:58] <cjwatson> (ally long)
[22:59] <wgrant> cjwatson: I often wonder if Launchpad needs some defense to prevent Joe Random from nominating for every release...
[22:59] <tseliot> bryce_: I worked with mvo on that (with xkit). I'll talk to him
[22:59] <pitti> bryce_, slangasek: I added release-notes and update-manager tasks to bug 247376
[23:00] <bryce_> jdong: it's not something I've tested, but it would not surprise me to see it not working; again, upstream is probably the best to talk to to see what work needs done.
[23:00] <seb128> slangasek: I just read your freeze email, GNOME has a standing exception right? ;-)
[23:00] <jdong> bryce_: ok, gotcha
[23:00] <slangasek> pitti: uh, didn't we already /have/ a release-notes task on 247376?
[23:00] <pitti> yeah, "reopened"
[23:01] <pitti> jdong: thanks for the pointer, will fix tomorrwo
[23:01] <slangasek> pitti: oh meh, I already reverted the release notes before you did that :)
[23:01] <pitti> ok, sorry, closing again then
[23:01] <jdong> pitti: sweet, thanks! btw I love the guest session feature :)
[23:01] <slangasek> seb128: as long as you don't upload anything that depends on webkit...
[23:01] <TheMuso> cjwatson: re 279288? I haven't received an exception yet. I've subscribed ubuntu-release, but no movement on the bug as yet.
[23:02] <slangasek> (or otherwise bump us oversized)
[23:02] <bryce_> cjwatson: yeah...  It took me a full day just to get through all the Xorg nominations.  It occurred to me that maybe a launchpadlib script could be written to just bulk-close all bugs not meeting certain criteria.  E.g. bugs with no attachments, without a priority assigned, and state undecided, probably are probably safe to decline without looking at them, and that might chop the list down considerably
[23:02] <seb128> slangasek: that was not GNOME but gimp, GNOME 2.24.1 update will only bug fix updates for desktop applications
[23:02] <pitti> slangasek: I did the corresponding change (fglrx) to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[23:02] <seb128> slangasek: but right the new webkit requirement was not nice, good that pitti fixed this one ;-)
[23:03]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[23:03]  * pitti hugs seb128, no problem
[23:03] <pitti> seb128: nothing against webkit in general, but a bit too late for intrepid, I'm afraid
[23:03] <slangasek> pitti: ok :)
[23:03] <TheMuso> cjwatson: re 191027?, that was a hardy bug, but users using intrepid decided to comment on that bug as they were having problems, which appear to be resolved now.
[23:03] <pitti> seb128: epy-webkit by default in jaunty, right? *duck*
[23:03] <slangasek> heh
[23:04]  * slangasek weeps at all the SRU bugmail from the linux SRU
[23:04] <cjwatson> slangasek: can you look at 279288? I didn't want to do it myself since I was involved in suggesting the changes
[23:04] <seb128> pitti: I didn't want to advocate for webkit, we had just quite some user pressure to update gimp and I didn't notice the webkit requirement before doing the update
[23:04] <slangasek> cjwatson: looking
[23:04] <cjwatson> oh, never mind, pitti already did
[23:04] <cjwatson> :-)
[23:04] <bryce_> pitti: let me know when you've updated jockey, and I'll notify the fglrx-installer bug reporters to re-test
[23:04] <cjwatson> TheMuso: reload 279288 ;-)
[23:04] <slangasek> er, yes, I have that bug open in a window in fact
[23:04] <slangasek> :)
[23:04] <seb128> pitti: doubt of that ;-) but it's not impossible that GNOME applications using gtkhtml or gecko for rendering will switch next cycle
[23:05] <slangasek> seb128: s/GNOME applications/all &/ ? please?
[23:05] <seb128> slangasek: all those we have on the CD will likely switch
[23:06] <slangasek> woohoo
[23:06] <calc> had a doh moment about why his phone is not working well, not sure why it stopped recently though
[23:06] <seb128> slangasek: we still need to have xulrunner for firefox though so it doesn't really help CD space
[23:06] <calc> his phone is 2.4ghz and next to a wireless router at 2.4ghz, heh
[23:06] <cjwatson> TheMuso: I've seen 191027 myself in intrepid, but it was a couple of weeks ago
[23:06] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Right, how do things stand now?
[23:06] <cjwatson> TheMuso: I haven't seen it for a while, but it was intermittent to start with
[23:06] <slangasek> seb128: getting rid of gtkhtml would help more than not getting rid of it :)
[23:06] <cjwatson> TheMuso: did you consciously fix it or did it just go away?
[23:07] <seb128> slangasek: right agreed on this one
[23:07] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I conciously made an effort to fix it.
[23:07] <seb128> anyway that's for next cycle
[23:07] <cjwatson> TheMuso: ah, right
[23:07] <cjwatson> TheMuso: it wasn't clear to me from the bug log that anything had been uploaded to intrepid to fix it; could you add details where appropriate?
[23:07] <slangasek> hmm, I wonder if branch merge proposals are at all effective for Ubuntu at present
[23:08] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Sure, when I get to my bug mail, I'll do so.
[23:08] <cjwatson> thanks
[23:13] <lukehasnoname> who is allowed to edit community documentation?
[23:14] <mdke> anyone with a Launchpad account
[23:14] <lukehasnoname> I was told I was not authorized to edit the nagios community page.
[23:15] <mdke> lukehasnoname: link?
[23:15] <Hix-2> hey guys, just wanted to say thanks for a linux OS that 'just works'
[23:15] <Hix-2> see ya
[23:15] <mdke> :)
[23:15] <lukehasnoname> Well, not it works. I feel foolish. It didn't work earlier, even though I was clearly logged in.
[23:15] <cjwatson> Hix-2: you're welcome :-)
[23:15] <cjwatson> Riddell: does lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu r193 look right to you?
[23:16] <mdke> lukehasnoname: no worries
[23:18] <Riddell> let mw look
[23:19] <cjwatson> Riddell: review of bug 266971 looks like it'd be good as well
[23:19] <calc> yipee 3.0 build finished successfully
[23:23] <cjwatson> slangasek: I'm feeling as if the hit rate on +nominations is about the same as that from going through a random sample of bugs. Does your experience match this?
[23:23] <Riddell> cjwatson: revision 193 seems fine.  I also fixed the bug in revision 192, but both fixes seem good to have
[23:23] <slangasek> cjwatson: I'm not sure I've ever gone through a random sample of bugs to compare it with :)
[23:23] <slangasek> cjwatson: but it's certainly lower than I would like, yes
[23:24] <cjwatson> Riddell: does that also cover bug 266971, then?
[23:24] <cjwatson> hmm, doesn't look like it
[23:25] <Riddell> cjwatson: no, I think we want that patch too
[23:26] <cjwatson> Riddell: could you please use UNRELEASED in changelogs when you haven't uploaded them? I just realised it was incorrect for me to start a new changelog entry for that
[23:26] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why I didn't upload
[23:26] <cjwatson> I'll merge the changes back
[23:27] <cjwatson> I always use UNRELEASED even if I'm going to upload immediately; I find it a useful habit
[23:27] <ogra> cjwatson, what do you think how many years will it take until you converted us all :)
[23:28]  * ogra totally agrees with cjwatson but still constantly forgets about it
[23:28] <cjwatson> echo DEBCHANGE_RELEASE_HEURISTIC=changelog >> ~/.devscripts
[23:29] <lool> Yeah, it rocks
[23:29] <cjwatson> much more sensible for anything maintained in revision control
[23:29]  * ogra copy pastes
[23:29]  * TheMuso uses UNRELEASED also. Very handy.
[23:30] <stgraber> bryce_: bug !!!
[23:30] <ogra> i refrain from setting DEBEMAIL to force me to look over the changelog again
[23:30] <ogra> but i think my changelog typos show it doesnt really help much
[23:30] <stgraber> bryce_: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f6529441d http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/f34a0d549
[23:30] <cjwatson> Riddell: I've committed but testing involves:
[23:31] <cjwatson> Need to get 49.1MB of archives.
[23:31] <cjwatson> After this operation, 149MB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:31] <ogra> stgraber, all your fault :P
[23:31] <cjwatson> Riddell: don't suppose I can con somebody into testing it before upload? :-)
[23:31] <stgraber> ogra: why ? :) (except from choosing ATI)
[23:31] <Riddell> cjwatson: I can try it
[23:31] <ogra> stgraber, no exceptions allowed :P
[23:31] <cjwatson> ta, r196
[23:31] <stgraber> ogra: :(
[23:32] <bryce_> stgraber: hmmm... come to #ubuntu-x plz
[23:37] <directhex> ding dong, this is your tuesday night merge request, required to make sure intrepid doesn't ship with CVE-2008-3422 and CVE-2008-3906 haunting it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono/+bug/282952
[23:37]  * ogra cries
[23:37] <ogra> lool, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18545026/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-lpia.linux-lpia_2.6.27-4.5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:37] <ogra> :(
[23:37] <ogra> i thought we dont have the abi check anymore in lpia
[23:38]  * ogra thought that was the whole purpose of having separate source packages
[23:39]  * ogra mumbles something that should better be not understood by anyone and adds the abi overrides
[23:41] <lool> ogra: grah :-(
[23:57] <calc> uploading openoffice.org_3.0.0-2ubuntu1 now
[23:57] <calc> er to PPA of course ;)
[23:58] <directhex> aw, scaredycat
[23:59] <ogra> calc, phew


[10:20] <nik90> t1mp, ping
[10:22] <t1mp> nik90: hi
[10:24] <nik90> t1mp, Hi, I am having an issue in my app with the latest UITK in rc-proposed where the back button disappeared in a few pages. I was able to narrow it down the reason to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1565811
[10:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1565811 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "PageHeader should not have a back action if it's the first page on the stack" [High,Fix committed]
[10:25] <nik90> t1mp, I have a setup similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/15920303/
[10:25] <nik90> where I have a so called "Home Page" which I don't push into the pagestack.
[10:25] <nik90> Instead I push the child pages only to the stack. As a result, when I push them, the depth is 1
[10:26] <t1mp> why do you do that?
[10:26] <t1mp> in any case, you can set PageHeader.leadingActionBar.actions = [ Action { iconName: "back"; onTriggered: pageStack.pop(); text: "Back" } ]
[10:27] <nik90> t1mp, I do that because sometimes I want to pop all child pages to return to the home page using the clear() function.
[10:27] <nik90> If I had pushed the Home Page, then that would be popped from the stack as well.
[10:27] <nik90> UITK Pagestack pop() function doesnt allow me to dictate how many pages I want to pop like the upstream Qt Stackview
[10:28] <nik90> t1mp, And yes, at the moment I have resorted to using a custom back button.
[10:28] <nik90> But that feels hacky :P
[10:29] <t1mp> we can only have one default behavior for the back action, either we show it or we don't show it when there is one page on the stack
[10:29] <t1mp> we had it documented as not showing for one page, and it worked like that with the old header, so I think the bug you pasted above was valid, and it should not show the back action
[10:30] <nik90> Hmm
[10:30] <t1mp> I don't know the whole structure of your app, but I would say that the home page can be the first page on the stack
[10:30] <nik90> fair enough
[10:30] <t1mp> as a side note, maybe you want to switch to the AdaptivePageLayout :)
[10:31] <nik90> t1mp, it is for uNav (default navigation app on the phone)
[10:31] <t1mp> because it will support convergence
[10:31] <nik90> so the breakage is a bit concerning and we don't yet have an idea about how we want to converge.
[10:31] <nik90> we're still brainstorming about the design
[10:31] <t1mp> ok
[10:32] <t1mp> so you relied on our bug when it was not obvious that it was a bug.
[10:32] <nik90> t1mp, one more question, will the SDK add default keyboard shortcuts to the back button like "Escape" ?
[10:33] <t1mp> if I unfix the bug to fix the app, that will break other apps again
[10:33] <nik90> t1mp, yes I wasn't aware it was a bug
[10:33] <t1mp> right
[10:33] <t1mp> nik90: not that I know of, but we can ask a designer
[10:33] <t1mp> Femma: ^ will we have default keyboard shortcuts for a back action in a page?
[10:34] <nik90> t1mp, I will give it further thought to see if I can also push the HomePage (map view) to the stack.
[10:34] <nik90> but as of the moment, I know that sometimes we need to jump from stack depth 2 to the map view.
[10:34] <t1mp> nik90: there is keyboard navigation however so you can use TAB to select the back button and then trigger it with (I think) enter or space
[10:34] <nik90> and I don't see how to do that without using the clear() function
[10:35] <t1mp> nik90: or multiple pop()s
[10:35] <t1mp> nik90: I don't know the designs for unav. Perhaps the map could be a separate layer not in the stack
[10:35] <t1mp> perhaps that's what you have now :)
[10:35] <nik90> t1mp, that's what we have now :P
[10:35] <nik90> whcih is why our child pages have depth 1
[10:36] <Femma> t1mp:  nik90 at the moment, the way to achieve that would be via focus. There are currently no plans to implement a back keyboard shortcut, however if there is a requirement/use case for it then we can definitely think about including it
[10:37] <nik90> t1mp, see this is why you don't automate stuff in the SDK side :P .. if app devs want to hide the back button, just give them a method to do so.
[10:38] <t1mp> nik90: yeah. Now they can by setting leadingActionBar.actions = []
[10:38] <nik90> t1mp, yup
[10:40] <t1mp> nik90: maybe that is a good reason to switch to the APL :)
[10:41] <t1mp> nik90: it can do everything that the PageStack can do, but it has a more flexible removePage(page) function
[10:41] <t1mp> nik90: apl.removePages(mapPage) would do the trick for you
[10:42] <t1mp> nik90: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.4/Ubuntu.Components.AdaptivePageLayout/#removePages-method
[10:46] <nik90> t1mp, ooh that's nice..I will try to migrate to it
[10:46] <nik90> thnx
[10:47] <t1mp> nik90: cool. Let me know if there are any issues
[10:47] <t1mp> or if you discover more advantages of the APL over PageStack so we can convince more people to migrate :)
[10:51] <nik90> :)
[11:22] <t1mp> mzanetti: hello  :)
[11:22] <mzanetti> o/
[11:22] <t1mp> mzanetti: I thought it may be useful for you and nik90 to know what you both are doing for navigation, to avoid duplication of the effort
[11:23] <t1mp> nik90: what's up with unav? Are you planning a big redesign/rewrite?
[11:26] <mzanetti> yeah, I've been talking to Marcos and Nekhelesh already. As I said, I didn't really want to compete with uNav but rather just play a bit with the QML location api
[11:26] <mzanetti> and well, turns out its working very nicely
[13:06] <mhall119> bzoltan_: zsombi: Kaleo: UOS is coming up ,and I'd like to have a session showing off our UITK and specifically the convergence/adaptive features of our components, which one of you can lead that session?
[14:38] <cariveri> Hi there. I got an error: opening shm. I read that it is a platform error. what can I do?
[14:38] <cariveri> it crashes HaloWord and I think some more other apps.
[14:40] <cariveri> my platform was ubuntu 15.04 OTA-10.1, on a bq Aquaris E5.
[15:06] <bzoltan_> mhall119:  it will be zsombi
[15:23] <cariveri> hey. does any one know this: failed to open shm error?
[15:42] <mhall119> thanks bzoltan_


[03:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[09:54] <bigfoot-> Hi.  Since upgrading to 20.04 focal, KDE's ALT-F2 "run command" global shortcut doesn't work anymore; is this a known issue? (Others, like ctrl-alt-T starting a terminal, still work fine.)
[09:55] <bigfoot-> Everything else went surprisingly smoothly, besides the fact that xpdf seems to be gone for good now. :(
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: 20.04 is still in development mode right now, we strongly advice to help testing it on daily iso base, instead of early upgrades
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: would help the devs, if you can doublecheck this on a clean daily to see if you can reproduce this
[09:55] <bigfoot-> ok.
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: in 2h Blueskaj will join, he's on kde 20.04 also, i can ask him aswell
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> idle a bit here
[10:17] <bigfoot-> In the Kubuntu live image, it works fine.  Starting "krunner" manually also works ...
[10:17] <bigfoot-> and: ALT-F2 gives me a "Q" character in the currently open terminal.
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> so we can conclude this is caused by your upgarde bigfoot- ?
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> *upgrade
[10:18] <bigfoot-> probably
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> allrighty, thank you for doublechecking this
[10:25] <bigfoot-> I wonder whether this guy experienced the same issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=253297
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> !info kde-plasma-desktop
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> this your version bigfoot- ?
[10:28] <bigfoot-> 5.18.2?  Yes.
[10:28] <bigfoot-> Interestingly, kde-plasma-desktop isn't installed at all.
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> nevermind me, been too long since i played with kde
[10:31] <bigfoot-> moving ~/.config away (as suggested by the archlinux forum post I mentioned) solves the problem
[10:31] <bigfoot-> ... now the fun begins, finding the broken config file and restoring the remaining ones ...
[10:47] <bigfoot-> OK, I now know how to fix this without manually touching ~/.config .
[11:05] <bigfoot-> As this may bite other upgraders, should I report a bug?
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: didnt you say you did not have this issue on a live?
[11:30] <bigfoot-> lotuspsychje: Yes.  But as it seems to be a config migration issue (from Plasma 5.16.5 to focal's 5.18.3), other upgraders might be bitten as well.
[11:30] <bigfoot-> My description of bug + fix on KDE's own forums: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=164820&p=429259#p429259
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: your choice to do what you want and test, but please avoid making an official bug on 20.04 based on upgrades
[11:35] <bigfoot-> lotuspsychje: That's why I was asking.  But I'd bet this issue is still there when 20.04 gets released, biting other upgraders.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: maybe, but i would advice to start testing this after final beta coems out
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> right now, things are still shaping up
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: what does ALT+space do?
[12:01] <bigfoot-> lotuspsychje: before my fix: nothing; now: works as expected.
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: BluesKaj just tested on his 20.04 and seems to work, so must be your upgrade bork
[12:02] <bigfoot-> Yes, as I said -- it seems to be a config migration issue
[12:04] <BluesKaj> bigfoot-, I did a complete reinstall a few weeks ago and there were definitely some config changes on the new install
[14:01] <gsedej> I have issue with desktop ubuntu-installer on EFI system. System has 1 ssd (with existging EFI 18.04). I am trying to install 20.04 EFI on external USB drive. Problem is that EFI-system-partition is being used by internal SSD drive (and brakes GRUB)
[14:44] <gsedej> I reported bug. Should I add more info? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1866358
[14:47] <oerheks> what if you set disk order to the external too? not only boot priority, but hdd listing
[14:51] <gsedej> what do you mean disk order? In BIOS/UEFI?
[14:55] <oerheks> yes
[14:57] <gsedej> well I was playing quite much with actually saving the existing installation... so but the main issue is, as mentioned, EFI-partition on USB was not "installed" (empty) and fstab on USB-root-ext4 was trying to use EFI-partition from SSD
[16:36] <BluesKaj> hope this isn'r an isolted problem just for kde/plasma or is this seen on other flavors as well ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wDSsdSh2YQ/
[18:31] <takov751> greetings i have a quick question
[18:32] <takov751> about ignoring a broken package
[18:33] <takov751> so apt wont remove it.
[18:33] <takov751> I just installed steam-launcher
[18:35] <takov751> i had to make dpkg ignore python package dependencies,because in 20.04 there is no package called python. As of course python2 is deprecated
[18:36] <takov751> however whenever i would like to install or remove anything its just wants to remove steam ,because of the missing dependencies
[18:37] <oerheks> i guess you want python3?
[18:37] <oerheks> want/need ..
[18:49] <takov751> yes i would need python3 ,however something like steam-launcher depends on python2 .... for some reason and aliasing python3 would just brake the stea
[18:49] <takov751> m


[03:57] <zul> heylo
[02:02] <zul> heylo
[06:32] <zul> i have tuesday to friday off
[06:33] <zul> yay!!
[08:22] <mjg59> BenC: Did the new kernel get uploaded yet?
[08:24] <BenC> not yet, about an hour
[08:25] <mjg59> Rock


[00:28] <micahg> is anyone having trouble apt-pinning in karmic?
[02:52] <icarus_> Could someone offer a quick tip ? I'm packaging via debhuild which rounds off by calling lintian which seems particularly fussy about even the slightest of things (*sigh*). I keep getting this: 'source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 3.4' and I know it's got to do with adding a minor package version number, but where ? to what ?
[02:53] <ajmitch> what have you got as the version number in debian/changelog?
[02:53] <icarus_> 3.4, nothing else. Is this where I need to add the minor packaging version number ? Seeing as it's the first package it would be 3.4-0.1 ?
[02:54] <lifeless> icarus_: so, the fact its an NMU is alarming
[02:54] <lifeless> icarus_: as we don't do NMUs in ubuntu
[02:55] <ScottK> icarus_: 3.4-0ubuntu1
[03:31] <maxb> ScottK: not 3.4ubuntu1 ?
[03:32] <ScottK> maxb: Not unless it's a native package which is almost certainly not the case here.
[03:33] <maxb> oh, I was assuming the lack of hyphen in the lintian message meant it was native
[03:33] <ScottK> No it meant he didn't put a revision in, not that it was a good idea.
[07:39] <dholbach> is it out yet^W^W^W^Wgood morning!
[07:42] <ara> dholbach, hehehehe
[07:42] <ara> dholbach, morning!
[07:43] <dholbach> hi ara
[07:43] <dholbach> hi noodles775
[07:43] <noodles775> G'day dholbach :)
[11:00] <\sh> congrats guys for doing a good release (especially our non payed folks :))
[13:21] <aboudreault> emm
[13:22] <aboudreault> I have a launchpad PPA that contains a package who has the exact same version number than package in main universe.
[13:22] <aboudreault> The package in uninstallable.
[13:23] <aboudreault> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/p/proj/proj-data_4.6.1-5_i386.deb  Size mismatch
[13:23] <aboudreault> That's the error of apt-get.
[13:24] <aboudreault> I think apt-get keep the "size" from the last ppa in the sources.list.
[13:24] <aboudreault> but try to install the universe one
[13:24] <slytherin> aboudreault: How come it has same version?
[13:25] <aboudreault> slytherin: the package has been copied from jaunty (which has an older version) and now karmic have an up-to-date version
[13:25] <aboudreault> but apt-get should just be able to deal with that.. no?
[13:25] <noodles775> See https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#Versioning
[13:26] <joaopinto> his point is there might be a bug on apt dealing with this scenario :P
[13:26] <noodles775> ah, sorry.
[13:27] <aboudreault> yes, np.
[13:27] <ScottK> No, that's apt doing exactly the right thing.
[13:27] <ScottK> It'd be a security risk if it didn't.
[13:27] <joaopinto> ScottK, hum ? providing an incorrect error message without reporting the exact problem ?
[13:27] <ScottK> It's noticing that the package doesn't match what it's expecting.
[13:28] <ScottK> No, I think it's exactly reporting what it's seeing wrong.
[13:28] <joaopinto> if having different packages with the same version available from different repositories is not supported, it should report that
[13:28] <aboudreault> ScottK: Why that ? If a package in a PPA doesn't have a higher version, the universe one should be keep.
[13:28] <joaopinto> the size mismatch could be a regular security breach scenario, which is not the case
[13:28] <ScottK> aboudreault: How does it know which one to keep?
[13:28] <aboudreault> ScottK: with the order in sources.list
[13:29] <ScottK> aboudreault: That's relatively arbitrary.  I think it's safer to be conservative and not install if there is doubt.
[13:29] <joaopinto> well, on the other end you may be right, because there is no way for apt to check the filzesize before getting it :P
[13:29] <aboudreault> ok, I'll reupload the package on launchpad for that. I just found that behavior strange.
[13:30]  * ScottK runs off for a while.
[13:30] <joaopinto> aboudreault, apt-get install mirror selection logic is not "pick the first" when you have multiple sources for the same package, afaiak
[13:31] <joaopinto> erm, wait, apt does fetch Packages for each of it's sources
[13:31] <joaopinto> so it should report size mismatches for the same package+version with different sizes
[13:31] <aboudreault> joaopinto: yes, but it certainly store the "package size" of the higher version somewhere, and that size should be modified ONLY if a package is strictly higher than the last package version read.
[13:31] <joaopinto> during apt-get update
[13:32] <joaopinto> aboudreault, actually it stores the package size for each of the sources, I mean, at least it downloads it
[13:32] <joaopinto> the best thing apt could do would be to report the mismatch on the cache update
[13:33] <aboudreault> but there is no size mismatch, there is simply 2 package with the same version ;)
[13:34] <aboudreault> anyway, I'm know apt does the proper thing, so I'll just upload again the package
[13:34] <aboudreault> thanks for your comments
[13:34] <directhex> sources.list priority isn't based on order
[13:35] <bddebian> Heya gang
[13:35] <directhex> check "apt-cache policy packagename" to see the priorities assigned to various mirrors
[13:35] <joaopinto> aboudreault, there is a size mismatch, that is why you get the error message, there is a mismatch between the size recorded on APT and the size from the http downloaded file
[13:35] <iulian> Hi bddebian.
[13:36] <aboudreault> directhex: I see that the ppa is the first one in version table section. However, apt-get tries to dowload it from universe
[13:36] <aboudreault> joaopinto: yes, I understand that.
[13:37] <aboudreault> and apt-cache show only show the one from universe.
[13:37] <directhex> aboudreault, if both repos have the same pin priority, it shouldn't be trying to download from either, it should be spitting out the mismatch
[13:38] <aboudreault> I did not modify the pin priority (I'm in a pbuilder chroot)
[13:39] <joaopinto> they are both regular repositories, they have the same pin priority, unless you did manual pinning :P
[13:40] <aboudreault> that's it, same priority.
[13:40] <bddebian> Heya iulian
[13:40] <directhex> at which point apt has no sensible way to resolve the situation you describe
[13:41] <directhex> you have two repos, with two identically versioned packages, but size and md5sum differ - which package is "correct"?
[13:41] <directhex> the right answer is "neither until proven otherwise"
[13:42] <aboudreault> it those cases, it tries to download the package and report immediatly a size mismatch
[13:42] <aboudreault> that's ok then
[13:49] <joaopinto> directhex, but apt could report the mismatch during apt cache update
[14:42] <mok0> Let's fix this guys: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/oct/29/windows7-usage-guardian
[14:42] <mok0> "Windows 7 overtakes Linux at the Guardian"
[14:57] <dholbach> congratulations highvoltage
[14:57] <highvoltage> thanks again dholbach
[14:57]  * highvoltage is now a MOTU! \o/
[14:59] <hyperair> congrats!
[14:59] <Kamujin> mok0: Is that a dupe of Ubuntu Problem #1?
[15:00] <mok0> Kamujin: I'd say it's a new manifestation of bug #1
[15:01] <mok0> Kamujin: ... or Linux users just don
[15:01] <mok0> 't read the Guarian
[15:01] <mok0> Guardian
[15:01] <mok0> can't seem to hit the right keys
[15:03] <ScottK> !ops
[15:04] <soren> ?
[15:04] <ScottK> Would someone change /topic to say we've released please
[15:04] <ScottK> soren: ^^
[15:04] <wgrant> I see no +t
[15:04] <wgrant> Doesn't need an op.
[15:05] <soren> wgrant: Good call.
[15:14] <mok0> highvoltage: congrats!!
[15:16] <highvoltage> thanks mok0
[15:16] <mok0> highvoltage: too bad the archive is closed :-)
[15:16] <highvoltage> mok0: for now.... :)
[15:49] <MsMaco> so how long after a release do we need to wait to start trying to sru stuff?
[15:49] <ScottK> MsMaco: Not at all
[15:50] <ScottK> MsMaco: The first Univese SRU was uploaded 3 days ago.
[15:51] <MsMaco> ScottK: great!
[15:51]  * MsMaco waits for pbuilder test build to finish
[15:56]  * siretart` can't await that lucid opens :-)
[15:56] <Laney> siretart`: grand plans?
[15:57] <siretart`> not really, perhaps breaking ffmpeg a bit
[15:57] <Laney> we all love some of that
[15:57] <Laney> wondering when I'm going to upgrade already ;)
[16:05] <\sh> highvoltage, congrats on motuship :)
[16:06] <highvoltage> thanks \sh! I'm very excited about it
[16:09] <Laney> get to SRUing!
[16:12] <MsMaco> sponsor needed for an SRU on bug 415766
[16:12] <MsMaco> thanks much whomever gets to it
[16:12] <Amaranth> congrats highvoltage
[16:14] <highvoltage> thanks Amaranth!
[16:21] <ScottK> zooko: You've got to be feeling pretty good about your binutils find.  Did you see the fix is currently building for karmic-proposed?
[17:33] <slacker_nl> congratz highvoltage
[17:33] <slacker_nl> and everyone gg on the release :)
[17:35] <hyperair> :)
[17:36] <ScottK> jdong: I created karmic-backports.
[17:52] <corp186> I have a question about creating both a binary arch-dependent pkg and an arch-independent package using cdbs
[17:52] <corp186> is there a good forum for questions, or should I ask here?
[18:01] <joaopinto> corp186, this is the proper channel, once someone becomes available to reply :P
[18:01] <corp186> I have a source package using cdbs, it builds a binary package and a -dbg package
[18:02] <randomaction> ScottK: Re bug 406721: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports currently says that a *-backports bug should be confirmed if the test build has succeeded. Is it not the case now?
[18:02] <randomaction> (Actually, I have marked some more bugs confirmed on the grounds that they test-built.)
[18:02] <corp186> I want to create a third package that just installs a header file as a -dev package
[18:02] <corp186> until now, cdbs did all the hard work of figuring out how to package files
[18:02] <corp186> but now I need to split files into two different packages
[18:02] <corp186> so how do I tell it which file goes where?
[18:02] <joaopinto> corp186, debian/package-dev.install
[18:03] <ScottK> randomaction: We really need to update that since not everyone can mark Triaged, so Confirmed really needs to mean b/i/r.
[18:03] <corp186> joaopinto: is there documentation on how that file works?
[18:03] <corp186> I haven't been able to find any
[18:03] <corp186> mostly cause google search for ".install" doesn't work too well
[18:03] <randomaction> ScottK: OK, I'll unconfirm that stuff, but I guess I can't update the Help page
[18:03] <joaopinto> corp186, thats how dh_install works, man dh_install :)
[18:03] <ScottK> I think you can.  It's a wiki.
[18:04] <joaopinto> corp186, the man includes an example for a -dev package ;)
[18:04] <corp186> joaopinto: great!
[18:05] <corp186> do I need to specify package.install now as well?
[18:05] <corp186> I didn't have to before
[18:05] <joaopinto> corp186, cdbs rules include a dh_install class
[18:05] <jdong> ScottK: awesome, thank you
[18:05] <joaopinto> erm, s/class/call
[18:05] <jdong> randomaction / ScottK: Agreed with regards to changing the meaning of Confirmed
[18:06] <jdong> we should consider the use of tagging to mark the "Yeah it builds but needs testing" phase
[18:06] <randomaction> I also propose to advertise ubuntu-backports-testers PPA as a centralized place to upload packages for testing.
[18:06] <Laney> who can upload there?
[18:06] <jdong> Laney: free-for-all unfortunately.
[18:06] <Laney> then no thanks
[18:06] <jdong> joining the ubuntu-backports-testers (open membership) team
[18:07] <jdong> randomaction: I'm brainstorming on a way of automating that
[18:07] <jdong> i.e. so that a "trustable" bot does the upload.
[18:07] <Laney> Launchpad could just grow a way to copy packages to older releases in PPAs
[18:08] <jdong> having the equivalent functionality of the Archive admin make backport script exposed in the Launchpad UI would help
[18:08] <randomaction> jdong: That would be good. The help page has been saying "Stay tuned for info" for a while now :)
[18:08] <jdong> randomaction: very true indeed :)
[18:11] <ScottK> jdong: Since I am an archive admin, it would be very helpful.
[18:12] <jdong> ScottK: yeah, we should aim in the Lucid cycle to hash out a way with Launchpad to make the backports process more integrated
[18:12] <ScottK> jdong: I also reproposed the not automatic spec for Lucid.  I'll be at UDS to push it.
[18:15] <jdong> ScottK: awesome. Yeah I saw that in my inbox
[18:17] <corp186> how can I prevent cdbs from deleting the build area if the build fails?
[18:28] <highvoltage> thanks slacker_nl :)
[20:13] <james_w> sync requests already?! :-)
[20:13] <james_w> go enjoy the release people
[20:14] <ajmitch> james_w: or just sign up to lucid-changes & start preparing SRUs for the pile of broken things :)
[20:14] <kklimonda> james_w, releases are overrated ;)
[20:14] <kklimonda> james_w, it's development what's interesting :)
[20:15] <ajmitch> it's only about 9 weeks until LTSDebianImportFreeze, according to the release schedule
[20:21] <jcastro> ScottK: I am only just now realizing the luck you had hitting chicago with nixternal on his big mountain sabbatical
[20:22] <jcastro> had he been in town there would have been a trail of debauchery and mayhem
[20:26] <ajmitch> surely he's a well-mannered gentleman?
[20:26] <ajmitch> right?
[21:26] <dtchen> "enjoy the release?" what, with the flood of bugs? pssht.
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> bugs? you mean that there are still bugs? ;)
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> :)
[21:28] <ajmitch> noone will be complaining about audio though, all the drivers are perfect there :)
[21:28] <sebner> wondering more about the kernel bug with ext4 which destroys files >500mb
[21:29] <joaopinto> they just complain about no sound after upgrade or sound being muted at each reboot :)
[21:30] <dtchen> yeah, thankfully I can now pin that one on pulse
[21:45] <ajmitch> sebner: got a reference for that one?
[21:46] <sebner> ajmitch: well it's under known issues for the release notes even .. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453579
[21:46] <ajmitch> as if I'd read release notes
[21:47] <sebner> heh
[21:47]  * sebner neither
[21:47] <sebner> but just read about it somewhere
[21:50] <ajmitch> but it does make me glad that my karmic install is still only using ext3 if it's a serious problem
[21:51] <sebner> ajmitch: I used ext4 since jaunty but I plan to re-install on weekend ^^
[21:51] <ajmitch> getting a different md5sum after a sync looks a bit scary
[21:51] <dtchen> well, even with ext3, you may want to read http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/2009/10/20 if you haven't already
[21:52] <sebner> The only solution is to use btrfs! *cough cough*
[21:52] <ajmitch> dtchen: though that looks to be more scary errors on power failure than scary errors in normal everyday usage
[21:54] <dtchen> ajmitch: correct, just something to be aware of
[21:55] <ajmitch> especially on my wonderful HP laptop which doesn't report the discharge rate of the battery
[21:55] <ajmitch> g-p-m doesn't give any warnings of low battery or "shutdown now!"
[21:58] <jdong> sebner: oh btrfs doesn't get along with rough shutdowns at all with GNOME
[21:58] <jdong> I haven't isolated the exact culprit yet
[21:58] <ajmitch> some days it feels like nothing is safe
[21:58] <jdong> sure feels that way
[21:58] <jdong> (*cough* transactional NTFS6 is pretty robust....)
[21:58] <ajmitch> it'll have its flaws :)
[21:59] <jdong> indeed :)
[21:59] <jdong> [PATCH] Prevent btrfsck to run on mounted filesystems
[21:59] <jdong> lol
[21:59] <jdong> finally
[21:59] <jdong> that was exceptionally evil!
[21:59] <jdong> the wiki manual used to say btrfsck is for mounted/unmounted filesystems
[22:00] <jdong> what they MEANT was to use future tense somewhere in there ;-)
[22:00] <ajmitch> using it on a mounted fs would completely toast it?
[22:00] <jdong> ajmitch: yup. Happened to me and confirmed by a dev on the mailing list
[22:00] <ajmitch> wonderful
[22:00] <jdong> ajmitch: btrfsck is more of a developers' consistency/sanity checker right now...
[22:01] <jdong> it's actually remarkably USELESS at fixing anything :)
[22:01] <ajmitch> for some reason I like to keep my data around
[22:02] <jdong> me too :)
[22:02] <jdong> my BTRFS karmics don't store anything persistent :)
[22:02] <ajmitch> maybe I could try it in virtualbox
[22:03] <jdong> it's not too bad to set up. Fun exercise left to the reader for how to make grub-probe (grub2) not blow up
[22:04] <jdong> and oh yeah. btrfsprogs and btrfs kernel modules need to come from mason's git tree...
[22:04] <ajmitch> I'm still sticking with grub-legacy
[22:04] <jdong> a couple known nasties in the 2.6.31 release version :)