[09:26] <Tsjoklate> hi all
[09:26] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, yes, I did, but that is inferior to the compiled one
[09:26] <slackeerb> Hello
[09:26] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know if gtktalog is going to be in the list?
[09:26] <slackeerb> Nonphasis: true. =P
[09:26] <Nonphasis> slackeerb, it can't even resize the window
[09:26] <slackeerb> brb lunch time. um.
[09:27] <Nonphasis> having a package that compiles the fetched source shouldn't even be illegal
[09:28] <Echylo> this is a loveely OS :D
[09:31] <Nonphasis> one thing that has to be said for ubuntu - it's visually pleasing (gnome 2.8 is beautifull)
[09:31] <Tsjoklate> hey Lowe
[09:31] <Nonphasis> probably the first time someone might choose linux for aesthetics
[09:34] <Echylo> yes its very beatiful
[09:34] <Echylo> never tried gnome actually
[09:34] <Echylo> but I just installed it
[09:34] <Echylo> and I already love it
[09:34] <Echylo> its so clean
[09:35] <Mitario> wow lol, how come so many people are already working for canonical, is this a 'community'-buildup enterprise?
[09:39] <dieman> jeezus
[09:39] <dieman> go freenode
[09:39] <dieman> or am i on oftc
[09:39] <dieman> i cant remember
[09:41] <eazel7> arachne, you took the name of a web browser
[09:41] <eazel7> I used it on a 386 with ADSL
[09:42] <eazel7> that 386 had a web server
[09:43] <arachne> hehe
[09:43] <arachne> wtf ? a 386 with adsl ? when ?
[09:43] <Treenaks> eazel7: that was an ancient DOS based browser, right?
[09:43] <eazel7> because I had two computers, this one and the 386, but when I turn off this one, I wanted that the home web server keep alive, so I used pepa for adsl, and it had a webserver for DOS that I can't remember the name
[09:43] <eazel7> Treenaks, not so ancient ;)
[09:43] <dieman> Kamion: btw, it loaded fine when i booted, its just the installer thats broken
[09:44] <Treenaks> eazel7: uh.. it was like 1996 or something
[09:44] <dieman> Kamion: would the dailies be fixed then?
[09:44] <Treenaks> eazel7: which, according to my reckoning, is ancient ;)
[09:44] <Tsjoklate> Kamion: is gtktalog going to be included?
[09:44] <eazel7> Version	 1.73
[09:44] <eazel7> Entered-date	2004-05-10
[09:45] <eazel7> it's still alive www.arachne.cz
[09:47] <neighborlee> anyone else  having trouble gettting java plugin working ? ( mozilla1.72/firefox)
[09:47] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....
[09:47] <tseng> hi all
[09:48] <Echylo> every minute
[09:48] <Echylo> ubuntu is getting closer to become my main OS
[09:51] <masquerade> netsplit o_O
[09:52] <neighborlee> split !!!
[09:52] <neighborlee> shields,SHIELDS!!
[09:52] <masquerade> batton down the hatches
[09:52] <kagou> hi guys
[09:52] <eazel7> what a heck happened?
[09:52] <masquerade> get ready for reconnection
[09:52] <masquerade> netsplit :D
[09:59] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....
[10:01] <peteog> anyone know how to get totem-xine to use esd?
[10:02] <neighborlee> peteog, dunno might be a runtime switch like: --enable-esd < shrug no idea never tried
[10:03] <peteog> cool
[10:04] <neighborlee> or: man totem
[10:04] <neighborlee> sorry I just never tried ;(
[10:04] <peteog> heh
[10:04] <peteog> no worries
[10:05] <peteog> it still dies anyways
[10:05] <peteog> so many issues with sound
[10:05] <peteog> alsa is jsut broke
[10:05] <lucas_> hi
[10:05] <peteog> esd is the only way i can get it so i can hear gaim sounds when say beep is playing an mp3
[10:05] <eazel7> what kernel are you using?
[10:06] <Deft> peteog: Totem doesn't give an error if you put esd as the sound output in totem_config, but as for whether it actually takes any notice of it...
[10:06] <lucas_> I'm looking for a web check applet packaged in Ubuntu/Debian which allows to check mail in several mbox files
[10:06] <peteog> :)
[10:06] <dieman> ph
[10:06] <dieman> oh
[10:06] <Deft> lucas_: other than inbox monitor?
[10:06] <dieman> elmo: i got the disk space to fully mirror the cd images too i think
[10:06] <lucas_> inbox monitor can't check several mboxes
[10:06] <peteog> eazel7, was that question for me?
[10:07] <eazel7> yup
[10:07] <Deft> you can have more than one
[10:07] <peteog> ah
[10:07] <jk> does anyone use evolution on amd64 and notice that the calendar doesn't work?
[10:07] <eazel7> what kernel is ubuntu using?
[10:07] <peteog> Linux scully <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386 #1 Sat Sep 18 09:49:53 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:07] <peteog> yeah im a huge X-Files fan :)
[10:07] <eazel7> have alsa compiled as module or builtin?
[10:08] <peteog> module as far as i know.. although its basically just a clean install off the cd.. sound card was just found
[10:08] <jk> eazel7: module
[10:08] <eazel7> I had troubles with alsa as module
[10:08] <eazel7> when it was builtin it worked
[10:08] <eazel7> even using alsalib an those
[10:08] <jk> it uses a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel with debian patches btw...
[10:09] <lucas_> Deft: yes but you can't know which one is for each mailbox, you just get "No mail No mail No mail" ;)
[10:09] <peteog> eazel7, thats interesting..
[10:10] <MrPiddlz> Ok I have come back because the fglrx drivers for ubuntu are finally out but I still have no direct rendering.
[10:10] <MrPiddlz> Can someone help me with that?
[10:11] <MrPiddlz> please ;_;
[10:11] <jg_> jdub: you around?
[10:12] <eazel7> I come from gentoo lands, on the south
[10:12] <eazel7> and the gentoo kernel works very nicely
[10:13] <eazel7> but when visited since the sunday the debian lands, I noticed the kernel is very slow
[10:13] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....anyone else tried and having similar issues ? ;(
[10:13] <MrPiddlz> No one has an ATI radeon 9600 and more? And actually have gotten direct rendering to work.
[10:16] <topyli> well, i tried to run ubuntu with a nice framebuffer console today. i ended up with upgrading to sid and then back :)
[10:17] <topyli> i have a ati 9*** card there
[10:18] <mxpxpod> mdz: what does it mean to have sa use bogofilter by default?
[10:18] <topyli> poor mans spamassassin?
[10:20] <Lowe> How would i set a theme for root?
[10:20] <topyli> Lowe: what is "root" :)
[10:21] <jk> nm about my question, it didn't appear so obvious to me that i had to turn it on in evolution's left bar
[10:21] <Echylo> root
[10:21] <Lowe> Well when i run something say if i start nautilus with sudo su i get a basic old theme
[10:21] <Echylo> are you serious topyli?
[10:21] <jdub> jg_: here
[10:21] <Echylo> root is the main user, it can change everything in your OS
[10:22] <kagou> MrPiddlz, i have a 9600 M10
[10:22] <topyli> Echylo: sure. i haven't been root for years.
[10:22] <eazel7> bbl
[10:22] <Echylo> ow :)
[10:22] <jdub> morning all
[10:22] <MrPiddlz> kagou did you get direct rendering?
[10:22] <kagou> i look
[10:23] <topyli> hey jdub
[10:23] <topyli> i just broke ubuntu very badly :)
[10:23] <kagou> MrPiddlz, i think yes
[10:24] <punkass> anyone know of an irc room or website for trouble shooting harddrive issues..?
[10:25] <kagou> MrPiddlz, you have installed restricted module + put fglrx in /etc/modules and change ati by fglrx in Xfree config ?
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> ah even the wallpaper I made looks nice now :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> very happy customer on this end
[10:25] <punkass> as soon as i plug my secondary harddrive in i get all sorts of boot errors.. it says everything is Read-Only
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> Ubuntu all the way
[10:25] <Echylo> yea
[10:25] <MrPiddlz> Ok kagou all I did was install the packages from the package manager.
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> I have ATI up and running, 3d and all.. didn't do anything special
[10:25] <Tsjoklate> just rebuilt a new kernel
[10:25] <topyli> Tsjoklate: put the wallpaper on cirulation then, if it looks good
[10:25] <MrPiddlz> Then edited the XF86Config file and put "fglrx" where it needs to be like how I did in slack.
[10:26] <Tsjoklate> you think so?
[10:26] <kagou> you must load the module too
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> But what is this "restricted module + and put fglrx in /etc/modules" O.o?
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> Load it?
[10:26] <MrPiddlz> I type modprobe "fglrx" and it says it can't find the module.
[10:27] <Slackeerb> Anyone a link to "how-to" installing java?
[10:27] <topyli> jdub: look back at what i just said if you're logging. i had bad framebuffed experiences.
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> I'll put it on gnome-look this arvo when I get up
[10:27] <Deft> Slackeerb: there are some 1.5 packages, I think the ubuntu site has a link
[10:27] <kagou> MrPiddlz, apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-2-3-YOURPROC
[10:27] <MrPiddlz> k then
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> I only have one big problem
[10:27] <Slackeerb> Deft: huh. lol...
[10:27] <Tsjoklate> when I click properties of a mp3 file it gives me errors
[10:27] <kagou> it contain fglrx module compiled for the standart kernel provided by ubuntu
[10:27] <MrPiddlz> kagou what are restricted modules by the way. I just want to know.
[10:28] <Deft> MrPiddlz: there are instructions for ATI drivers as well...
[10:28] <Slackeerb> jdub: what was that site you gave me for installing java? I could sure use it again.
[10:28] <kagou> contains nvidia and ATI modules
[10:28] <kagou> and a few others
[10:28] <MrPiddlz> Deft where are the instructiongs O.o?
[10:28] <topyli> rtfm :)
[10:28] <kagou> http://wiki.no-name-yet.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:29] <kagou> thanks topyli :/
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> it reads: There was an error while trying to create the view named `Audio/Video': System exception: IDL"omg.org/CORBA/COMM_Failure:1.0
[10:29] <mdz> mxpxpod: bogofilter is a spam filtering package
[10:29] <topyli> nb
[10:29] <Tsjoklate> does anyone know what that means and how I can fix it?
[10:30] <MrPiddlz> Thank you kagou!!
[10:30] <siretart> is there a netinst available? i dont want to download the whole 600mb image
[10:30] <MrPiddlz> whoo hoo!
[10:31] <mxpxpod> mdz: and evo on ubuntu uses that instead of sa?
[10:31] <kagou> np MrPiddlz :)
[10:32] <topyli> Tsjoklate: can you play the files?
[10:32] <mdz> mxpxpod: yes
[10:32] <mxpxpod> mdz: what if sa is installed?
[10:33] <mdz> mxpxpod: I'm unsure of the status of the implementation; that's why my comment on the bug was phrased as a question :-)
[10:33] <mxpxpod> mdz: ah, ok
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> topyli: yes
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> plays fine
[10:33] <Tsjoklate> in totem and rhytm
[10:33] <mxpxpod> jdub: why did you choose bogofilter over sa?
[10:34] <topyli> Tsjoklate: so, it's just a file association problem. let's fix it.
[10:34] <Tsjoklate> topyli: sounds great.. how? :)
[10:34] <jdub> mxpxpod: due to a serious misbalance in rules vs. sucks.
[10:34] <mxpxpod> oh?
[10:35] <topyli> Tsjoklate: right click a file. what do you see=
[10:35] <Slackeerb> i cant seem to find a java guide on the wiki site. =(
[10:35] <Capri> siretart: no. Ubuntus standard install need at least all those packages
[10:35] <Tsjoklate> lots of things?
[10:36] <Deft> Slackeerb: the hard way: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[10:36] <topyli> like "open with..."?
[10:36] <siretart> Capri: oh. ic. but, I just found that netboot/mini.iso. whats that for?
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> open with, open in a new window, open with music player open with another app, cut/copy file, make link copy link
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> yeah see that
[10:36] <Tsjoklate> open with other app
[10:37] <topyli> Tsjoklate: but no ready-made alternatives?
[10:37] <Tsjoklate> open with totem, open in new window, open with music player, open with other app
[10:38] <Tsjoklate> those are myoptions
[10:38] <Slackeerb> Deft: i dont get how to download the sdk to /var/install/java/1.4.2.
[10:38] <topyli> and totem or "music player" work?
[10:38] <Capri> siretart: really? mmh. I didn't know that but the standard installer of Ubuntu brings no option which packages will be installed.
[10:38] <Deft> Slackeerb: the (untried by me) easier http://z42.de/debian/
[10:38] <Lowe> when is ubuntu gonna make some tshirts! i want a tshirt lol
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> they both work topy
[10:39] <topyli> Lowe: yes we need them badly
[10:39] <Capri> siretart: so best you choose with netinstall the expert mode to get package selection
[10:39] <topyli> Tsjoklate: so all we need is a default?
[10:39] <Deft> Lowe: there can't be T-shirts when there still isn't a mascot!
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> I suppose
[10:39] <Slackeerb> Deft: much easier. thx. =)
[10:39] <Tsjoklate> I probably should install xmms?
[10:39] <Lowe> hehe
[10:40] <siretart> Capri: ok. i'll try. thanks.
[10:40] <topyli> jdub: HELP US!
[10:40] <mxpxpod> jdub: so, I don't need sa installed...
[10:40] <Capri> Deft: why not? ubuntu has a logo for t-shirts ;)
[10:40] <jdub> mxpxpod: the evo spam stuff still uses SA
[10:40] <Tsjoklate> should I install xmms and use that for default?
[10:41] <jdub> Deft, Capri: there will be a tshirt comp starting sometime this week
[10:41] <topyli> Tsjoklate: let me see if it even works for me, i haven't tried, just remembered =)
[10:41] <mxpxpod> jdub: ok... so explain to me this bogofilter hack you did...
[10:41] <Tsjoklate> topyli: alrighty :)
[10:41] <Echylo> omg
[10:41] <jdub> mxpxpod: it's not present
[10:41] <Deft> jdub: but where's the logo? I vote for a little known and unpronounceble mammal
[10:41] <mxpxpod> jdub: oh, ok
[10:41] <Deft> damn, mascot
[10:42] <jdub> no mascot
[10:42] <Capri> jdub: nice
[10:42] <topyli> Tsjoklate: totem starts right away
[10:42] <Tsjoklate> yes that's the default
[10:42] <Slackeerb> jdub: do you still have that java link you sent me yesturday? =)
[10:42] <Capri> Deft: what's a mammal?
[10:42] <jdub> i don't think i had a java link
[10:43] <Tsjoklate> don't think I want totem to be default too
[10:43] <Slackeerb> jdub: lol sorry maybe it was someone eles. =)
[10:43] <Tsjoklate> I really think I should get xmms
[10:43] <Deft> Capri: "Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia"
[10:44] <Capri> Tsjoklate: I use totem-xine for videos and music player for music but it's your choice
[10:44] <topyli> Tsjoklate: i entered "rhythbox" as the "other application" in there and it started. it works as advertised :)
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> and how is your props looking?
[10:44] <Tsjoklate> do you have those funky errors?
[10:44] <schweeb> Slackeerb: deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/ & deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[10:45] <schweeb> Slackeerb: that what you're looking for?
[10:45] <schweeb> java apt sources?
[10:45] <Capri> Deft: lol and what's mammalia ;) I'll visit babel.altavista ;)
[10:45] <topyli> no errors, it works as gnome does :)
[10:45] <Tsjoklate> in the aud/vid tab? no errors?
[10:45] <topyli> no errors
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> you got a totally updated box?
[10:46] <topyli> now i'm really busy. absolutely fabulous is running in finland =)
[10:46] <Slackeerb> schweeb: im just looking for the easyiest way to install java.
[10:46] <Tsjoklate> I still am updating.. might be the issue
[10:46] <dieman> omfg
[10:46] <dieman> the video worked!
[10:47] <dieman> with pcie ati card, fglrx, and a chipid of 0x4e46!
[10:47] <dieman> explode!
[10:47] <schweeb> Slackeerb: that's prolly it
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> I'll update the box first before tackling the problem again
[10:47] <Tsjoklate> crikey.. 30MB updates
[10:48] <Slackeerb> schweeb: so i add those lines to my source list, then what?
[10:48] <schweeb> apt-get update
[10:48] <schweeb> then apt-cache search java sdk... the pkgs are in there somewhere
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get update
[10:48] <schweeb> I don't personally use java
[10:48] <Tsjoklate> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <schweeb> unless I absolutely have to
[10:49] <Slackeerb> schweeb: thx ill give it a try.
[10:50] <Capri> which gui do you use for cd burning?
[10:51] <punkass> anyone know of an irc room or website for trouble shooting harddrive issues..?
[10:52] <Capri> punkass: driver related  or hardware related?
[10:52] <Lowe> Man im talking to this idiot he says >"I want to use linux but can i use IE"
[10:52] <Lowe> he is so lame
[10:53] <Capri> lol but he can use IE ;)
[10:53] <whiprush> Slackeerb: the package is j2sdk
[10:53] <punkass> Capri: as soon as i plug my secondary harddrive (no fstab entries, just pluged in) i get all sorts of boot errors.. it says everything on the master drive is Read-Only and i get all sorts of boot errors...
[10:54] <Lowe> But that's disgustin capri
[10:54] <Lowe> g
[10:55] <Capri> punkass: is it ATA?
[10:55] <punkass> yeah..they are both 40gig maxtor drives
[10:55] <punkass> ive check all master/slave jumpers
[10:55] <Capri> punkass: how do you have the jumpers set
[10:56] <punkass> master drive is on main IDE port.. slave is on secondary IDE port
[10:56] <schweeb> please don't say  you're using cable select
[10:56] <schweeb> cable select is the devil
[10:56] <punkass> nope
[10:56] <punkass> master is set to master and slave is set to slave'
[10:57] <schweeb> what was the drive that was in there before set to?
[10:57] <punkass> master
[10:58] <punkass> i originally had them on the same IDE, but i tried with different IDE cables and had the same problem
[10:58] <schweeb> wait a second
[10:58] <schweeb> they're not on the same channel?
[10:59] <punkass> they were....not at the moment
[10:59] <punkass> i just tried different channel to see if i would fix it
[10:59] <Capri> punkass: have you tried the new one alone for a test install? so you can say that it is not the second hd alone
[10:59] <schweeb> well, both should be set to master/single then
[11:00] <Deft> can you try that disk on its own; with a livecd or something?
[11:00] <Deft> just so you can boot and mount it
[11:00] <schweeb> most BIOSes don't like having only a slave on the channel
[11:00] <punkass> i did..i used knoppix to set up the partitions'
[11:00] <punkass> schweeb: ah ok..that makes sense..
[11:01] <punkass> tho it would be nice to have the back on the same channel
[11:01] <punkass> them*
[11:01] <Capri> yes if you have them on seperate ide channels then there is no slave
[11:01] <schweeb> so your choices are drive1=master,chan1&drive2=master,chan2; or drive1=master,chan1&drive2=slave,chan1
[11:02] <schweeb> and there's sometimes a "single" setting
[11:02] <schweeb> that's different than master
[11:02] <punkass>  drive1=master,chan1&drive2=slave,chan1 <<< is what i had originally
[11:02] <schweeb> if it's the only drive on the channel
[11:02] <schweeb> well, look for a single setting
[11:02] <punkass> ok
[11:02] <schweeb> or just put them both in there w/ the jumpers disabled
[11:03] <schweeb> (which is usually single)
[11:03] <punkass> disabled? as in no jumpers?
[11:03] <Deft> no jumpers is slave normally isn't it?
[11:03] <schweeb> there are usually 3 sets of pins ::: <--- like this
[11:03] <Capri> Does noone burn CDs with a GUI here? Just want to know which I should choose ;)
[11:03] <punkass> yup
[11:04] <Deft> for master left, cs right, and middle for no deal in my memory...
[11:04] <Sirius_Black> guys - how do i configure the way gdm screen looks
[11:04] <Cardador> Capri: i have the same problem :)
[11:04] <schweeb> |:: might be master, :|: might be slave, and ::| might be CS
[11:04] <Sirius_Black> i have to say the yellow ubuntu defualt looks awfull
[11:04] <punkass> Capri: i just use nautilus
[11:04] <schweeb> if none of these are set, unjumpered (or with the jumper sideways) usually means "single"
[11:04] <WW> Capri: The only thing I've burned is an ISO, and I used nautilus.
[11:04] <Deft> Sirius_Black: yeah, but that doesn't make it true
[11:05] <punkass> schweeb: ok thanks...ill give it a shot
[11:05] <Sirius_Black> Deft: :-), still how do i change the looks
[11:05] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: computer > system conf > login scree setup
[11:05] <schweeb> so, if the pins are this way :::, connect the jumper this way -
[11:05] <Sirius_Black> ok ta Cardador
[11:05] <punkass> gotcha
[11:05] <Capri> nautilus is ok but for copy cds I use at the moment dd -> iso and nautilus and it would be fine to have this all in one
[11:06] <punkass> Capri: nautilus can do data aswell...just not create audio cds
[11:06] <Deft> Capri: you mean you want nautilus to be able to read to isos?
[11:06] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: i dont seam to have that menu entry :-(
[11:06] <Cardador> Sirius_Black you should have it
[11:06] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: can u check and tell me what is the command line version please
[11:07] <Capri> nop. to create the cd copy.
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: perhaps i should but i dont :-((
[11:07] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: gdmsetup
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: tnx
[11:07] <Cardador> np
[11:07] <Sirius_Black> Oh btw - i am new to gnome and gdm, hence all these easy qyestions :-))
[11:08] <Cardador> kinda strange it is missing from the menu
[11:08] <WW> Sirius: You have Compter -> System Configuration, right?
[11:09] <WW> s/pter/puter/
[11:09] <Sirius_Black> WW - yeah i do
[11:09] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[11:09] <FX|Laptop> First off like to say, Wonderful distro!!
[11:09] <WW> Sirius: What are the first few entries in that submenu?
[11:10] <Sirius_Black> WW they are: .......
[11:10] <FX|Laptop> Anyone give me a hand?
[11:10] <Sirius_Black> WW - networking, printing, screen resolution, time and date, and, users and groups
[11:11] <Capri> device manager, synaptic is missing
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> btw guys - have changed sources.list to sid and have dist-upgraded with only two minor problems that i managed to sort out easily
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> have also configured alsa and nvidia
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> and ...
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> i installed kde
[11:11] <FX|Laptop> I have wireless Atheros. I have to the point where the signal strength monitor shows a signal with 84%, but cannot get to the lan or net.
[11:11] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: theres your problem :)
[11:11] <Sirius_Black> not a bad job
[11:12] <WW> OK, Ubuntu gurus, why doesn't Sirius have Device Manager and Login Screen Setup?  That's over my head  (not too hard to get that high :)
[11:12] <Cardador> WW: dist upgrade to sid
[11:12] <schweeb> might have something to do with the sid dist upgrade
[11:12] <schweeb> which is warned against in the FAQs
[11:12] <WW> Ah, that went right by me.
[11:12] <Sirius_Black> during sid dist-upgrade no packets were removed btw
[11:12] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: if you wanted sid, why not use debian installer?
[11:13] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: the answer is simple - couse it is much easier to install 2.6 kernel debian based distro than it is debian itself :-))
[11:13] <jmhodges> uh.. hunh
[11:14] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: hmm you could have used knoppix
[11:14] <jmhodges> totem-gstreamer and totem-xine both are not working on mpeg files
[11:14] <Sirius_Black> anyway guys - i am VERY VERY pleased with ubuntu, althought it is sid now
[11:14] <jmhodges> t-g displays just a black vid scren
[11:14] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: knopixx has no gnome 2.8
[11:14] <jmhodges> t-x just a blue one
[11:14] <schweeb> Sirius_Black: type linux26 at the install prompt at d-i ....
[11:14] <jmhodges> im assuming this is something stupid done on my part?
[11:14] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: i had sid AND gnome 2.8
[11:15] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: it is available on experimental
[11:15] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: so whu have you moved to ubuntu then
[11:15] <Kamion> Sirius_Black: you probably didn't have the menu entries because you didn't have the relevant packages installed
[11:15] <Capri> jmhodges: I have this problem with one SVCD too. Another one works without problems
[11:15] <Sirius_Black> Kamion: u could be well right mate
[11:15] <Kamion> Sirius_Black: aptitude install '~tubuntu-desktop' is the standard way to get our default desktop set
[11:15] <jmhodges> Capri: hmm.. same thing happens on all vid files so far
[11:15] <jmhodges> tested like 3
[11:15] <jmhodges> s/vid/mpeg/
[11:16] <Cardador> Sirius_Black: i just fell ubuntu is much more oriented to desktop use than plain debian
[11:16] <Sirius_Black> i thought that libranet was the ultimate debian based distro but i have to say ubuntu is the daddy of debian based distros for mr from now on
[11:16] <Sirius_Black> Cardador: couldnt agree more mate
[11:16] <Capri> jmhodges: SVCD is mpeg2. mpeg2 support should be included in totem-xine. for any other kind of codec you have to install these win32-codecs
[11:17] <jmhodges> these should be mpeg-2
[11:17] <topyli> ok. i can honestly say absolutely fabulous is perfectly ok.
[11:17] <jmhodges> Capri: i assume i need to do some configuring outside of simply unpacking that w32codecs tarball in /usr/lib ?
[11:19] <Deft> jmhodges: as long is they end up in /usr/lib/win32, hopefully nothing
[11:19] <jmhodges> Deft: ah
[11:19] <Capri> You can check it in totem-xine if it has found the plugins
[11:19] <phlaegel> jmhodges: if you have the marillat source you can apt-get the codecs
[11:20] <topyli> jmhodges: why don't you just install a debian package :)
[11:20] <jmhodges> well, because im ignorant of such an option :D
[11:20] <Capri> With the marillat package it didn't work, too.
[11:20] <jmhodges> sorry, debian newb here
[11:20] <jmhodges> ah, well
[11:22] <WW> I used marillat, and it worked.  If I could remember the exact sequence of steps, I'd add something to the wiki, but flailed around a bit (and, of course, pestered folks here for help).
[11:22] <schweeb> if you're still using totem, you have to add "universe" and install totem-xine
[11:22] <WW> s/flailed/I flailed/
[11:22] <topyli> jmhodges: see my unstable setup at http://siltala.webhop.net/floss/sources.list -- but only pick up the marillat line or you'll end up with a very dangerous system :)
[11:23] <jmhodges> so, i have to use the marillat repo and totem-xine?
[11:23] <neighborlee> I have it downloaded and symlink is in place in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ( yes i used the *gcc* version) yet still nadda....anyone else by chance tried and having problems with java in mozilla ? ;-))
[11:23] <topyli> no-one :)
[11:24] <Capri> and why I have two SVCDs with MPEG2 codec which didn't work with it? These SVCDs work with PowerDVD without any problems!?
[11:24] <WW> I think the marillat repo has libdvdcss2 and w32codes, while totem-xine is in univers.
[11:24] <neighborlee> is there a howo-to for getting java to work in ubuntu ?
[11:24] <topyli> neighborlee: same as debian
[11:24] <neighborlee> I followed directions precisley from sun's site but its still not working
[11:25] <WW> Ugh, I cn't typ toda
[11:25] <neighborlee> topyli, do you have a url possibly ?
[11:25] <topyli> see the link i gave above. there's a good debian java repo as well.
[11:25] <jmhodges> so whats the name of the deb pkg in marillat?
[11:25] <FX|Laptop> What is the command to restart the network? I know it in Slack and Fedora but not Debain based.
[11:25] <topyli> neighborlee: i answered even before you asked ;)
[11:26] <Capri>  libdvdcss2 and w32codes
[11:26] <Capri> jmhodges: libdvdcss2 and w32codecs
[11:26] <WW> No, w32codecs
[11:26] <WW> (my bad earilier)
[11:26] <WW> JEEZ!
[11:26] <topyli> FX|Laptop: see what's in /etc/init.d, then use those commands, they're all scritps.
[11:26] <Capri> I've seen it too late ;)
[11:27] <FX|Laptop> thanks topyli
[11:27] <topyli> FX|Laptop: if you know redhat, use /etc/init.d instead of "service"
[11:27] <neighborlee> topyli, pleaes repaste I'm not seeing your post
[11:27] <jmhodges> ok cool thanks Capri
[11:28] <neighborlee> topyli, be known that I did follow instuctions from suns site and installed the symlink where in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins according to debians instructions
[11:28] <topyli> neighborlee: see http://siltala.webhop.net/floss and you'll find a fine sources.list
[11:28] <FX|Laptop> so /etc/init.d/networking restart?  :)
[11:28] <neighborlee> topyli, alright thx
[11:28] <Capri> jmhodges: can you tell me if it works for you. I will try it again with that package, then.
[11:28] <topyli> neighborlee: you're doing too much work :)
[11:28] <jmhodges> ok
[11:28] <jdub> hey jmhodges
[11:29] <jmhodges> heya jdub
[11:30] <neighborlee> topyli, is there maybe a ubuntu readme I missed..if not maybe they could add one under a 'faq'.
[11:31] <topyli> neighborlee: i don't understand. i'm just a debian/ubuntu user :)
[11:32] <neighborlee> topyli, ?
[11:32] <topyli> siltala.webhop.net is my page, why would there be an ubuntu faq answer leading there?
[11:32] <jmhodges> Capri: that did it, but you need totem-xine installed (i think, i havent tried totem-gstreamer)
[11:33] <neighborlee> topyli, you said I was doing too much work so I thought maybe there was a readme I'd missed pointing me to the 'easier' way of doing it ;-00
[11:33] <topyli> neighborlee: oh, it's just we debian users take all this for granted =)
[11:34] <neighborlee> topyli, apparantly ;-0
[11:34] <topyli> :D
[11:34] <OZ8AAZ> 'evening...
[11:34] <Slackeerb> blah none of these java install guides are helping me. Can someone help me install java?
[11:35] <mxpxpod> jdub: how did you get the ubuntu1 in the names of your .debs?
[11:35] <OZ8AAZ> Slacker: get a source from apt-get.org
[11:35] <neighborlee> question...why did ubuntu go with unstable instead of sarge ?...do they feel ITO that unstable is as stable as other distros 'stable' lines ?...i'm curious cause I have a workstation and i'm a bit 'leary' of using unstable frankly ;-)
[11:35] <topyli> neighborlee: "mandrake is easy", "choose xandros", whatever... =)
[11:35] <neighborlee> topyli, mdk is also pricey..xandros is kde and I wont bother..you get the point <G>
[11:36] <Slackeerb> 0Z8AAZ: huh lol. Ima newb...
[11:36] <jdub> mxpxpod: the version is taken from the top changelog entry
[11:36] <mxpxpod> jdub: ahhh
[11:36] <Kamion> neighborlee: unstable's got current fixes, and we have enough active Debian developers on staff who are well aware of the current state of unstable that we're confident we can fix the breakage that occurs
[11:37] <topyli> neighborlee: mandrake has good gnome though. i have good mandrake experiences, expect that rpm based stuff tends to break. :( still, urpmi is great.
[11:37] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: hehe, check out www.apt-get.org anyhow...
[11:37] <mxpxpod> jdub: so you updated the changelogs... ok
[11:37] <Kamion> neighborlee: we're not using unstable in unmodified form, that would be a bit mad
[11:37] <topyli> s/expect/except
[11:37] <Capri> jmhodges: ok. i use t-xine, too. for gstreamer are bugs reports in bugzilla. so it might not work.
[11:37] <Kamion> mxpxpod: you have to
[11:37] <jdub> mxpxpod: when you change a package, you have to update the changelog
[11:37] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: heh ok ill give it a try.
[11:37] <neighborlee> topyli, I agree urpmi is good..mdk is too 'give me money' so I wont ever bother again
[11:37] <mxpxpod> jdub: gotcha
[11:37] <neighborlee> topyli, to me linux is a mindset=OSS..mdk has left that entirely IMO
[11:38] <topyli> neighborlee: i've been using mandrake for years and years without a penny. look at it, it's very community based.
[11:38] <neighborlee> although at least MDK has good gnome support I'll admit..suse forget it LOL
[11:39] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: and/or google for a good how-to on adding sources to your systems list...
[11:39] <topyli> suse gnome sucks very seriously
[11:39] <neighborlee> topyli, agreed..I just dont like that they are so up front about asking for money....and that they charge for the panel applet notifier of updates..just MO ;-)
[11:39] <siretart> mmh. I just managed to install ubuntu with that netboot image
[11:39] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: ive been googleing. No luck. =(
[11:39] <siretart> but right now i have neither X nor bootsplash. :)
[11:39] <Kamion> let's not get too enthusiastic about the distro wars :)
[11:39] <neighborlee> Kamion, so if I break I dont own both pieces ? <G>
[11:39] <neighborlee> heh
[11:40] <topyli> neighborlee: heh, they need money -> they ask the community. what would you do? sell out or ask your friends? seriously!
[11:40] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: hang on...
[11:40] <Kamion> neighborlee: within our supported set, you can bring the pieces to us and ask for help; outside that, the pieces are all yours :-)
[11:40] <neighborlee> Kamion, heh
[11:40] <neighborlee> topyli, I just dont like how they ask
[11:41] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[11:41] <neighborlee> topyli, its nothing personal..its just how I see linux and what it means to me personally..which is why ubuntu caught my eye ;-0
[11:41] <Capri> Am I blind? I don't found win32-codes on ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/
[11:41] <jdandr2> should I look up info on setting up apache on debian sites or ???  I have the server working, just cannot get cgi-bin to work :(
[11:41] <Capri> s/found/find/
[11:41] <neighborlee> you see OSS=freedom...and those that ask for money IMO are in neither category
[11:42] <Slackeerb> OZ8AAZ: that doesnt help install java. =P
[11:42] <neighborlee> although it depends 'how' they ask..;-))..again..MO
[11:42] <topyli> ok. they have to find a way, it's not cool, but they have to do something. i'm not partial to mandrake and i'm not offended by your opinion.
[11:43] <neighborlee> topyli, kewl
[11:43] <topyli> got to smoke something
[11:43] <topyli> smoking ->
[11:43] <Kamion> freedom != price; as long as they don't restrict your freedom to do whatever you want with the software within the licences, they're not impinging upon freedom.
[11:43] <Capri> jmhodges: do you know the full package name of these codecs?
[11:43] <jmhodges> Capri: w32codecs and libdvdcss2 (iirc)
[11:44] <neighborlee> Kamion, as I mentioned its MO...I like debian but its not imposing price wize..try to download mdk and youlll see exactly what I mean
[11:44] <neighborlee> Kamion, try and use the panel applet notifier and you'll again see what I mean
[11:44] <OZ8AAZ> slacker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: yep, thats right
[11:44] <Capri> jmhodges: which deb source have you used?
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: oh, one sec
[11:44] <jmhodges> Capri: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:45] <tmp> any idea if gtkpbbuttonsd or powerprefs will be available on ppc, its available on debian ppc rep
[11:45] <jmhodges> ok im out
[11:45] <sabdfl> tmp: should be available in universe
[11:46] <Capri> ok. I have it. It is linked from stable main
[11:46] <tmp> sabdfl: no m8, i have universe in sources.list but its not there
[11:47] <sabdfl> hmmm... i'll check on something
[11:47] <sabdfl> are they in debian contrib or non-free?
[11:47] <tmp> sabdfl: i checked the ububtu pool dir and they have a tgz file but no deb
[11:48] <sabdfl> tmp: must have failed to build, and we haven't been kicking them unless someone asks.... you just asked :-)
[11:48] <tmp> sabdfl: honestly m8, i've got no clue right now, lemme check
[11:48] <tmp> sabdfl: thx m8
[11:49] <topyli> why did enabling the framebuffer freeze the whole machine at work? it does have a very questionable ati video card though.
[11:49] <topyli> upgrading to unstable and then back to ubuntu did help then.
[11:51] <neighborlee> outside of NOT slamming ubuntu AT ALL here..what are the 'unstable' elements that could cause system problems and what might be things to watch out for to avoid them ? ;-)
[11:51] <jmhodges> wow, damn you guys are good
[11:51] <jmhodges> huge updates like everyday
[11:52] <topyli> neighborlee: i'm talking about debian unstable
[11:52] <Kamion> neighborlee: any release-critical bugs, for a start
[11:52] <Kamion> we import all >= serious bugs from Debian into our bugzilla so that we can track them, and sometimes we fix them ahead of Debian
[11:53] <Kamion> (and send back the fix)
[11:53] <topyli> Kamion: you can install ubuntu right now, no worries
[11:53] <Kamion> topyli: hmm?
[11:53] <neighborlee> Kamion, where is this list please
[11:53] <tmp> sabdfl: powerprefs is gpl and is only in testing, experi and sid. i dont think its in contrib
[11:53] <Kamion> neighborlee: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:54] <Kamion> neighborlee: or indeed http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
[11:54] <topyli> Kamion: see the bugzilla of any distro :)
[11:54] <Kamion> topyli: sorry, just confused by "you can install ubuntu right now, no worries"
[11:55] <topyli> yes
[11:55] <neighborlee> Kamion, ahh now that more like it ;-0..thx <
[11:55] <topyli> :D
[11:55] <neighborlee> topyli, yes..what do you mean 'install, no worries' ?
[11:55] <topyli> just don't fuck around with any obscure hardware stuff :)
[11:55] <Kamion> I mean, I know it's true, but I install it every day for testing :)
[11:56] <neighborlee> ;-)
[11:56] <neighborlee> I made share it was flavored though...np
[11:56] <neighborlee> sure
[11:56] <neighborlee> strawberry
[11:57] <topyli> heh
[11:57] <neighborlee> Kamion, everyday???
[11:57] <neighborlee> Kamion, talking about QT :-)))
[11:57] <topyli> anyway, ubuntu is good enough for installing, at least for those who don't want to figure out GNOME 2.8 for unstable
[11:57] <Kamion> neighborlee: really confused now :-)
[11:57] <neighborlee> topyli, most defintely ;-))
[11:58] <Kamion> what about Qt?
[11:58] <neighborlee> Kamion, or QA
[11:58] <topyli> qt generally sucks, i just need it for lyx :(
[11:58] <Kamion> I generally do at least two or three installs a working day, yes
[11:58] <neighborlee> topyli, I wont deal with qt if I dont have to...gnome/gtk rocks
[11:59] <Kosai> Evenin'.
[11:59] <neighborlee> evenin
[11:59] <topyli> Kamion: perhaps you'll have a mandrake 10.1 report soon :)
[11:59] <Kosai> Kamion: Any idea what happened to the TV?  It is making a burning smell.  :)