[11:58] <nikkia> othernoob: well, that's true, but i doubt they care about 80wpm on dvorak either :)
[11:59] <othernoob> that's why i said "any" ;)
[11:59] <nikkia> 'can operate a spatula competantly' is about all they'll look for on a resume :)
[11:59] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: I thought that by listing my computer skills, after they'd heard I've admin'd several flavors of unix/linux, they would trust me to use their cash register
[11:59] <vuduchld> who does 80wpm on dvorak ???  btw, who uses dvorak ?  someone who never swapped keyboards.. i never understood why it was created
[12:00] <nikkia> vuduchld: a very basic dvorak typer :)
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> is 80wpm slow?
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> aw
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> I can't think fast enough
[12:00] <nikkia> when i was using dvorak i was hitting 120wpm
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> I only switched last year
[12:00] <nikkia> but given that i can type at 120wpm on qwerty too, and spent too much time having to swap between the two, i gave up on dvorak
[12:00] <vuduchld> do people today still use dvorak ?  for me i thought it was a 80ish keyboard
[12:00] <tiglionabbit> maybe I used a bad method of switching or something...  but I type more than twice as fast as I did with querty
[12:00] <Will__> Stating you use Dvorak is letting them know you are a power-geek, and will happily live in a server room on doritoes and coffee
[12:00] <Lucky68> moinsen :)
[12:01] <nikkia> Will__: what kind of company allows you need a server with doritoes ??!?
[12:01] <nikkia> need=near
[12:01] <vuduchld> yeah but if you know dvorak its inevitable you will have to use qwerty too
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> =[
[12:01] <tiglionabbit> I can't use querty anymore.  Am I a failure?
[12:02] <vuduchld> i love coffee.  what i hate most about it is what it does for my digestive tract
[12:02] <vuduchld> tiglionabbit not if you can use a spatula ;)
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> I can't type over 85wpm in dvorak...
[12:02] <Will__> 80% of the server rooms I have been in kept all the goodies behind glass doors
[12:02] <tiglionabbit> I could never type more than 45wpm in querty
[12:02] <othernoob> what's the point of dvorak anyway?
[12:02] <vuduchld> but not to worry -- i dont think i could use a spatula
[12:02] <Will__> You could throw doritoes at them all night, and they would still be fine
[12:02] <vuduchld> hno73, my condolences
[12:02] <nikkia> will, dorito-dust can be pretty nasty
[12:02] <Will__> I do 80wpm on qwerty without being able to touch type
[12:03] <Mr_Smiley> http://dvzine.org/zine/index.html
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: tailored to english, puts all the common keys in the middle to reduce carpal tunnel..  and uh, the keys actually have a reason to be where they are, instead of being all random and stupid
[12:03] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: tailored to *american english* is what you mean
[12:03] <hno73> vuduchld: ?
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: what ever
[12:03] <vuduchld> well you are .uk
[12:03] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: which is also its biggest downfall, imo
[12:03] <othernoob> thus not english :p
[12:03] <Will__> nikkia: Fair enough. Maybe we can negotiate a broom-closet for living space
[12:03] <tiglionabbit> whoa, what's that?  I've never seen that dvorak site before
[12:03] <vuduchld> i didn't know exactly who was responsible until 4am
[12:03] <vuduchld> for the london thing but thats a bit off topic
[12:04] <hno73> vuduchld: thanks. Fortunately not in London though
[12:04] <Mr_Smiley> :)
[12:04] <othernoob> tiglionabbit: are there outer layouts designed for other languages?
[12:04] <othernoob> like german or swedish for example?
[12:04] <nikkia> othernoob: of dvorak? no
[12:04] <tiglionabbit> othernoob: there's polish dvorak
[12:04] <nikkia> othernoob: people have tried, but its a lot of work to analyse the character usage of languages
[12:04] <othernoob> nikkia, not of dvorak, i meant in general
[12:05] <nikkia> othernoob: yeah, there are lots of keyboard layouts
[12:05] <sam_> i started trying out dvorak recently
[12:05] <othernoob> nikkia: is there one for german or swedish ;)
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> ubuntu has dvorak for english, polish, french, swedish, norwegian, united kingdom, and english for one-handed people
[12:06] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:06] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: there is only one official dvorak though, and the others work to a variety of effectiveness, IME
[12:06] <Mr_Smiley> haha
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> what's IME?
[12:06] <nikkia> in my experience
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> In My Experience?
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> oh
[12:06] <tiglionabbit> just guessed it
[12:07] <sam_> nice when your fingers dont have to fly around the whole keyboard all the time
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> yes
[12:07] <nikkia> sam, if your fingers are flying around the keyboard, you'e typing wong, regardless of the layout :P
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> but damn, I can't type fast enough with dvorak then, if I should be typing 120wpm.  What do you think I should do to train?
[12:07] <othernoob> well i was just wondering, would give something else a try, besides qwerty..but if there isn't one for german it's of no use to me
[12:07] <Mr_Smiley> how did you learn how to type dvorak? I want to try it
[12:07] <adwait> whts dvorak?
[12:07] <tiglionabbit> nikkia: no, querty takes a lot more movement.  I can really feel that
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: I just downloaded dvorak7min
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> !info dvorak7min
[12:08] <ubotu> dvorak7min: (Typing tutor for dvorak keyboards), section universe/games, is optional. Version: 1.6-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 116 kB
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok i'll try that then, thanks
[12:08] <nikkia> tiglionabbit: *shrug*, my fingers stay on the home row 99% of the time, the movements are minimal
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: make sure you set your keyboard layout to dvorak first though =P
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> yep  :P
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> you can add a switcher to the gnome panel
[12:08] <tiglionabbit> it's handy
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> yeah that could be handy
[12:08] <Mr_Smiley> how do i do that?
[12:09] <tiglionabbit> right-click it and add a thing called "Keyboard Indicator"
[12:09] <Mr_Smiley> ah yeah just found it :P
[12:09] <Mr_Smiley> yeah that site i linked got me interested in it
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: switching keyboard layouts felt like I had my arm ripped off for about a week.  Keep that in mind...  do you have some time when you don't need to type anything?
[12:10] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i do, i'm on holidays for two weeks :P
[12:10] <tiglionabbit> awesome
[12:10] <theturnip> hi, i just formatted my linux partition and reinstalled warty on it, installation carries along quite happily, but when rebooting grubs give me an error 17 and then nothing
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> !grub17
[12:11] <ubotu> I don't know, tiglionabbit
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> damn, was worth a try
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> anyway, that means grub can't figure out your volumes
[12:11] <tiglionabbit> which is not gewd.  Are you sure you got it installed on the mbr correctly?  And uh, are you using a really old bios?
[12:11] <Mr_Smiley> hmm that keyboard indicator isn't showing dvorak
[12:11] <sam_> its easy to realize qwerty is flawed when there is only one wovel on the home row
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> true
[12:12] <snowblink> How do I change the keyboard from US to UK in console only? (server build)
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: add the keyboard.  System -> prefs -> keyboards, layouts tab
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> yeah i have...
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> hmm
[12:12] <theturnip> tiglionabbit, whether i installed the mbr correctly i have no clue, never had to manually do anything to it in my life;)
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> and when you click on the indicator, it doesn't switch from USA to Dvo ?
[12:12] <Mr_Smiley> ah there we go, i readded it
[12:12] <tiglionabbit> theturnip: do you usually need a /boot partition?
[12:13] <nikkia> snowblink: 'loadkeys'
[12:13] <theturnip> :/
[12:13] <theturnip> dunno
[12:13] <Mr_Smiley> lol was just about to type its working now, but i had changed it to dvorak
[12:13] <snowblink> nikkia, cheers
[12:13] <theturnip> whenever i've set up things in the past they've just sorted themselves out automagically
[12:13] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: lol
[12:13] <Mr_Smiley> time to try this dvorak7min
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> kjtrglu gl kjd ,oslu patsfk g; rosnpdmakgi  ( typing in the wrong layout is problematic )
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> hahah
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> yeah it looked a bit like that :-)
[12:14] <G2k> hey all, I'm new to ubuntu I just switched over from gentoo...uhm...I have a question, I'm not able to install things like mplayer and I dont understand this repository thing too well...what am I supposed to add?
[12:14] <wijnand> G2k: add them all
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> G2k: have you been to ubuntuguide.org
[12:14] <wijnand> G2k: mplayer is in multiverse iirc
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> thats very useful
[12:14] <tiglionabbit> no!
[12:14] <znh> Is it known that the ubuntu mirror gives 404 errors? (in apt-get)
[12:14] <Mr_Smiley> :O
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> !repositories
[12:15] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> !backports
[12:15] <ubotu> backports is, like, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> read those instead
[12:15] <znh> tiglionabbit: that's not the prob..
[12:15] <G2k> Mr_Smiley: ya im trying to make sense out of things
[12:15] <G2k> wijnand: ive added a bunch
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> I'm talking to G2k
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> G2k: you need to add a mirror for backports
[12:15] <tiglionabbit> G2k: but be sure to comment it out once you've got mplayer and w32codecs
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> !info mplayer-586
[12:16] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3486 kB, Installed size: 7508 kB
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> oh, it's in multiverse
[12:16] <gm78> Anyone here running amd64 ubuntu? i need the /etc/apt/sources.lst for someone running amd64
[12:16] <znh> Getting xfce4 gives me 404 errors, updating does not help
[12:16] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: i am glad you've got a big box of !
[12:16] <G2k> tiglionabbit: i added some backports (the ones that the ubuntu guide tells you to put)
[12:16] <nalioth> znh: the repos are wonky atm
[12:16] <wijnand> tiglionabbit: :)
[12:16] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: =\  I get the idea, but i'm not gonna stop
[12:16] <znh> nalioth: :(
[12:16] <action09_> tiglionabbit hi what do u mean please , there are 2 versions of mplayer ? one in backports and the other one where ?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: even though your dog is better
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> action09_: well according to ubotu here, it's in multiverse
[12:17] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: oh, no you misunderstand me, i'm glad you have a big box of !
[12:17] <lampshade> Anyone know when firefox is going to get fixed so that you can visit update.mozilla.org without the hackish solution?
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> lampshade: it's fine, I can tell you how to fix it though
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> !firefox
[12:17] <ubotu> I heard firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[12:17] <thoreauputic> lampshade: Ocober, presumably
[12:17] <nalioth> G2k: stay away from the 'guide, it is full of pitfalls
[12:17] <thoreauputic> *October
[12:17] <FLD> there is plenty of money in the world to guy that can fake his dead
[12:18] <FLD> :DDD
[12:18] <Mr_Smiley> just wondering what is wrong with the guide?
[12:18] <G2k> nalioth: well...what should I do then? I'm an ubuntu n00b, have no clue how the package system works here
[12:18] <aburda> Anybody know if it is possible to use/set variables in the nautilus location bar, i.e. I can use type mp3 instead of /dos/mp3?
[12:18] <tiglionabbit> Mr_Smiley: it doesn't explain to you what any of the commands do, and can screw things up for you if you sudo around wildly like that
[12:18] <Teez> Why does Ubuntu not upgrade software, it only provides security fixes for it? I find it really annoying to say the least
[12:18] <action09_> tiglionabbit ho ok if i have these 2 sources multiverse and backports (like in Ubuntu guide..) from which one will they be installed ?
[12:18] <nalioth> G2k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <Mr_Smiley> ah ok yeah that is true
[12:18] <aburda> ....I can just type mp3 instead of ....
[12:19] <lampshade> tiglionabbit:  yeah that solution was the hackish thing I was talking about ;)
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, that's changing soon :D
[12:19] <Mr_Smiley> I know what the commands do, so I just pick the stuff that I like
[12:19] <znh> To remove gnome, would apt-get remove gnome-* adviceable?
[12:19] <onkarshinde> G2k: What help do you need about package system?
[12:19] <Teez> Mez, When is soon?
[12:19] <Mr_Smiley> but yeah for new users its not too good
[12:19] <Teez> Mez, heh
[12:19] <nalioth> Teez: every 6 months you get a shiny new distro
[12:19] <G2k> onkarshinde: all i want to do is install mplayer and a few other programs
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, backports has become an official project so people will be able to choose
[12:19] <Mez> Teez, well, we're not too sure.. the sbuild should be up and running pretty soon
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> you guys, what is the best way to remove a metapackage?
[12:20] <tiglionabbit> by that I mean remove everything the metapackage pulled in
[12:20] <onkarshinde> znh: I suppose apt-get -f remove should do.
[12:20] <Teez> Mez, Well, that'll be a major improvement
[12:21] <onkarshinde> G2k: on the terminal type 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:21] <znh> onkarshinde: just apt-get -f remove ?, then how does it know I want to remove gnome?
[12:21] <G2k> onkarshinde: k
[12:21] <Mez> Teez :D yes I know - but for now - check out http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:21] <Teez> Mez, Alright, will do.
[12:22] <nalioth> znh: i suggest you use synaptic, and search for "gnome"
[12:22] <onkarshinde> znh: I mean -f flag is important. You can put the package name you want. But please check this first.
[12:22] <G|limmer> hello all
[12:22] <znh> onkarshinde: Ok, thanks
[12:22] <G2k> onkarshinde: i added ## Backports
[12:22] <G2k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:22] <G2k> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:22] <REWind> Don't know if you talk about keyboard layout anymore.. however, what I've heard was that qwerty was designed to slow down typing when typing english due to the type machines couldn't type as quick as the human mind could. Therefore the designed a layout slowing down so the letters in the type machine didn't stuck in each other as they can do if you type to quickly...
[12:22] <wijnand> when i add the backports repository, can i have ubuntu blindly upgrade all packages? or will i run into trouble?
[12:23] <onkarshinde> G2k: So now do apt-get update. This will update package listing. Then you can say apt-get -f install mplayer
[12:24] <nalioth> wijnand: at the time, its not recommended to do a full upgrade using BP
[12:24] <nalioth> wijnand: it's advised to get the pkg(s) you want, and then comment BP out until next time
[12:24] <wijnand> nalioth: so how do i prevent the update manager from looking in that repository?
[12:24] <onkarshinde> G2k: alternatively you can close the terminal and use Synaptic (graphical tool). Not that you can't use both apt-get and synaptic simultaneously.
[12:24] <wijnand> ahh right
[12:24] <G2k> onkarshinde, E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[12:25] <G2k> terminal is better :D im coming from a gentoo background so i feel more confident with it
[12:25] <nalioth> G2k: synaptic has a friendlier interface
[12:26] <nalioth> G2k: then at the prompt, type "apt-cache search mplayer"
[12:26] <G|limmer> i downloaded FireFox 1.04 and want to install it. But i am confused how should I proceed. Should I remove the old FireFox first? Where should I install the new one?
[12:26] <znh> This is terrible, I can't even get firefox :/
[12:26] <thoreauputic> G2k: try apt-cache search mplayer - there is no mplayer package, only a choice accoeding to your cpu etc
[12:26] <nalioth> G|limmer: why do you need 1.0.4?
[12:26] <deFrysk> G|limmer, only use ubuntu packages
[12:27] <G2k> thoreauputic, nalioth, k done
[12:27] <znh> Aren't there other mirrors?
[12:27] <nalioth> G2k: in the output, you should see mplayer-i386 and similar
[12:27] <rob^> G|limmer, the firefox in ubuntu is patched up to 1.0.4
[12:27] <nalioth> znh: are you using us mirrors?
[12:27] <G2k> nalioth: mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[12:27] <G2k> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[12:27] <rob^> no need to install again
[12:27] <znh> nalioth: yea.. they are terrible
[12:27] <G|limmer> nalioth, deFrysk: Hi. 104 has security fixes, no?
[12:27] <rob^> fyes
[12:28] <rob^> G|limmer, it does, they are already included
[12:28] <onkarshinde> G|limmer: Why do you need FF 1.0.4? The fixes are ported to the Ubunbtu. All you need is to enable security repository and update your current FF.
[12:28] <nalioth> G|limmer: rob^ mentioned about that to you
[12:28] <nalioth> where is tiglionabbit and his box of !
[12:28] <nalioth> !firefox
[12:28] <ubotu> [firefox]  version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[12:28] <deFrysk> G|limmer, if you update ubuntu the new 1.0.2 has the fixes included
[12:28] <znh> terrible.. can't do nothing
[12:28] <G|limmer> rob: Is it already? I heard there is a probleb in Ubuntu in reporting and displaying v1.04 of FireFox as v1.02. Is that true and how to fix it?
[12:29] <rob^> G|limmer, yes
[12:29] <vuduchld> i did a apt-get dist-upgrade and thinking its upgrading my hoary to the new 5.10 version that is not official.  i am wondering if it will also update my sources.list ?  if it doesn't i dont know how i would go about creating a proper one
[12:29] <G2k> nalioth: after executing that command i still cant install it
[12:29] <rob^> G|limmer, what ubotu said
[12:29] <nalioth> znh: are you using us mirrors?
[12:29] <znh> nalioth: yes I do
[12:29] <nalioth> G2k: which command is that?
[12:30] <jeroen_> vuduchld, you want to know what the correct sources.list is? Watch
[12:30] <jeroen_> !sources
[12:30] <ubotu> from memory, sources is http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:30] <nalioth> znh: open your /etc/apt/sources.list for editing (using sudo) and remove the us from in front of us.archive, blah on all lines
[12:30] <G2k> sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[12:30] <znh> nalioth: ok, that would help -?
[12:30] <onkarshinde> G2k: I am not sure how well maintained that backport repository is. Is there any special reason behind installing MPlayer?
[12:30] <nalioth> znh: yes, it will give you 'random next server' instead of a specific mirror
[12:31] <znh> nalioth: awesome
[12:31] <thoreauputic> G2k: apt-cache search just shows you the packages
[12:31] <nalioth> G2k: in the output you should see mplayer-i386 or similar
[12:31] <G2k> nalioth: i dont i see like win32codecs and something else...im installing the win32codecs cus i need those anyawys
[12:31] <nalioth> G2k: find the package that matches your hardware, and use that pkgname behind your apt-get command
[12:31] <onkarshinde> G2k: I mean VLC ( available in universe repository) is really good at playing videos.
[12:31] <vuduchld> those the sources pasted to pastebin appear to be for hoary.   does the hoary respository have the necessary files to upgrade to 10.2
[12:31] <vuduchld> ?
[12:32] <G2k> onkarshinde: nah im used to mplayer and xine
[12:32] <nalioth> G2k: are you lookinga at ALL the output?
[12:32] <G2k> $ sudo apt-cache search mplayer
[12:32] <G2k> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[12:32] <G2k> w32codecs - win32 binary codecs
[12:32] <G2k> that was all the output
[12:33] <nalioth> G2k: do you have all your sources enabled? universe and multiverse?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> G2k: your sources are incomplete or in error then
[12:33] <G2k> nalioth: i think so
[12:33] <nalioths_dog> G2k: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:33] <nalioths_dog> G2k: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:33] <nalioth> G2k: please confirm
[12:34] <onkarshinde> naliothI suppose that the repository he is using doesn't have mplayer.
[12:34] <thoreauputic> G2k: and did you do ' sudo apt-get update ' after adding sources ?
[12:34] <znh> Anonyone known here with vncserver? - How to define the windowmanager?
[12:34] <nalioth> onkarshinde: that could be possible
[12:34] <nalioth> !mplayer
[12:34] <ubotu> somebody said mplayer was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto
[12:34] <onkarshinde> G2k: Enable multiverse repository in sources.list. This official (but unsupported) Ubuntu repository contains mplayer
[12:34] <nalioth> !info mplayer
[12:34] <G2k> thoreauputic: well yea i did that before
[12:35] <nalioth> !info mplayer-i386
[12:35] <onkarshinde> nalioth: he just needs to enable multiverse
[12:35] <G2k> hrm
[12:35] <nalioth> onkarshinde: i thought so
[12:35] <G2k> well i have to go guys
[12:36] <G2k> but thanks for being so helpful
[12:36] <G2k> ill figure it out
[12:36] <G2k> thnx again
[12:36] <onkarshinde> G2k: Check my message again.
[12:36] <znh> gzip returned error code (1) (while doing apt-get update)
[12:36] <sam_> what can i do if i started a program in a shell without a & at the end and want to regain control of the shell without exiting the program?
[12:36] <znh> sam_: use screen :)
[12:36] <nalioth> sam_: end the command with a &
[12:37] <thoreauputic> sam_: ctrl+z then type bg
[12:37] <samuelk> i so hope that UT2004 dont lagg on linux
[12:37] <znh> samuelk: It does for me..
[12:38] <onkarshinde> znh: which repository are you using? What do you want to install?
[12:38] <samuelk> mutch
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: use 'screen' here is a howto (at the bottom) http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/07/06/unix_gems.html
[12:38] <sam_> thoreauputic, thanks, what does bg do though?
[12:38] <samuelk> i tried wesnoth yesterday and it lagged....
[12:38] <znh> onkarshinde: just the archives, I commeted the backports ares already
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: bg is "background"
[12:38] <samuelk> even if i have installed nvidia driver
[12:38] <thoreauputic> sam_: backgrounds it - fg foregrounds it again
[12:38] <nalioth> sam_: the "background" is where programs go when you start them with a & suffix
[12:39] <onkarshinde> znh: Try apt-get update again. It is possible that the Packages.gz file was corrupt.
[12:39] <tiglionabbit> background programs run independantly from the terminal window, so you can safely close the terminal.  foreground programs are attached to it, only one can be foreground at a time, and if you close the terminal it goes with it
[12:39] <znh> onkarshinde: It happens for me always.. these two months
[12:39] <samuelk> any one running transparant windows with shadows...s it laggs so bad..
[12:39] <onkarshinde> Has anyone tried running Ubuntu on Bochs?
[12:40] <sam_> ah, that explains some of it. thanks.
[12:40] <nalioth> onkarshinde: no, because i feel i'd need a 12-way cluster to get anywhere with it
[12:40] <thoreauputic> onkarshinde: try qemu
[12:42] <onkarshinde> thoreauputic: I am on windows. And Qemu's site points to some third site for Windows binay. That third site is now closed.
[12:42] <nalioth> onkarshinde: windoze? whats that?
[12:42] <tiglionabbit> !windows
[12:42] <ubotu> it has been said that windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[12:43] <peterretief> !seen windows
[12:43] <ubotu> peterretief: i haven't seen 'windows'
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> nalioth: so you really don't mind my loading the bot up with !s ?
[12:43] <tiglionabbit> lol peterretief
[12:43] <thoreauputic> !seen anything
[12:43] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: as long as the info is readable and understandable and revelent
[12:43] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'anything', thoreauputic
[12:44] <thoreauputic> well, that's comforting
[12:44] <jules_> How do I log in as root with Ubuntu as using the word root doesnt seem to work?
[12:45] <tiglionabbit> jules_: use sudo instead
[12:45] <deFrysk> jules_, sudo -s
[12:45] <onkarshinde> Come on guys. I am at my office. And there are still many offices that use Windows though there is no functional dependency on platform
[12:45] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[12:45] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:45] <nalioths_dog> jules_: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:45] <jules_> Thanks
[12:45] <nalioth> onkarshinde: bochs is kinda slow, imho
[12:46] <tiglionabbit> jules_: it is unsafe to run your xserver as root.  Bad things can happen..  I think.  But ubuntu has a "root terminal" in applications -> system tools, and you can sudo things too
[12:46] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Bochs doesn't boot Ubuntu at all. Not even Knoppix.
[12:46] <nalioth> onkarshinde: so it's reallly slow, lol
[12:46] <nalioth> onkarshinde: get your boss to spring for vmware or virtual pc
[12:47] <chrissturm> printing from firefox and epiphany doenst work. what can be the reason? i can only print from internet exploerer right now (cxoffice)
[12:47] <nalioth> onkarshinde: or better yet, persuade him to switch the userspace over to ubuntu
[12:47] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Can't do. Instead I will choose to make my system with double boot. Or rather dump Windows if there is no need in my new project.
[12:48] <onkarshinde> nalioth: Like I did at my home. Goodbye Windows XP. Hello Ubuntu
[12:48] <nalioth> onkarshinde: if your office allows, it a dual boot is great (then you can use qemu)
[12:48] <nikkia> nalioth: best excuse i found to get my boss to pay for vmware, was to point out that we develop for different versions of windows, and its easier to test something works under NT, 98, 2k, XP, XP-embedded, by running it in vmware :)
[12:48] <nalioth> there are all kinds of mind-tricks to use on bosses
[12:48] <onkarshinde> nikkia: That was the collest idea.
[12:49] <onkarshinde> nikkia: I mean coolest
[12:49] <nikkia> onkarshinde: i also pointed out that it would present some solutions to long-term problems we have with upgrading other developer's desktops, but that plan hasn't happened yet
[12:49] <goliat> hello there
[12:49] <goliat> is there a way that makes me install kernel 2.0 on ubunto
[12:50] <nikkia> onkarshinde: that problem being that some of the toolchains we use haven't been updated since god-knows-when and still rely on versions of cygwin that run on 98-only, and upgrading the host to XP causes the toolchain to break
[12:50] <thoreauputic> goliat: since kernel 2 was old in 1999, not really
[12:50] <Will__> I like vmware.
[12:50] <nikkia> onkarshinde: so we have developers stuck on '98 machines that reboot numerous times a day, i tried to point out that buying copies of vmware and running 98 in a VM would be more effective
[12:51] <goliat> i need it so i can setup my penta
[12:51] <yonil> im trying to install a package (vlc) and it wont install cause of a md5checksum mismatch ... what can i do ?
[12:51] <thoreauputic> goliat: penta?
[12:51] <onkarshinde> nikkia: At least I am using Win2K. But I am sure I will switch FC 4 or Ubuntu if I can in my next project
[12:52] <nalioth> yonil: the repos are wonky atm
[12:52] <thoreauputic> yonil: you are using the us archives, right? if so, edit them and change to plain archive.ubuntu
[12:52] <goliat> Pent@net DVB card
[12:52] <nalioth> onkarshinde: use ubuntu, not fc4
[12:52] <nalioth> onkarshinde: RPMs make me ill
[12:52] <nikkia> nalioth: i felt ill yesterday...
[12:53] <yonil> thoreauputic, yes i am, ill try it
[12:53] <thoreauputic> goliat: kernel 2.0 is ancient history
[12:53] <nikkia> nalioth: some sister company has bought a redhat server running EE to run j2ee...
[12:53] <nikkia> nalioth: sun have stupidly linked the j2ee installer against C++ and the ABI on a brand new RHEE box doesn't match the ABI sun used
[12:53] <onkarshinde> nalioth: I really liked the speed improvement in Hoary over Warty. And since I am having 1GB RAM with Intel 2.8 GHz it will be blazing fast
[12:54] <lesshaste> any plugins to get bittorrent to work with firefox?
[12:54] <nikkia> nalioth: i couldn't really help him, i mean, what can i say? 'sorry, sun are idiots'
[12:54] <nalioth> nikkia: aint corporate-think wonderful?
[12:55] <nikkia> all i could suggest was trying the unbundled version of j2ee and hope that it doesn't rely on a C++ installer, failing that, 'talk to sun'
[12:55] <teleyinex> hi
[12:55] <yonil> thoreauputic, what happend to the us archives ?
[12:55] <nalioth> yonil: they are having a little problem, atm
[12:55] <thoreauputic> yonil: I don't know - but people are having issues with them
[12:56] <nalioth> teleyinex: good morning (from where i'm sitting)
[12:56] <teleyinex> good morning
[12:57] <nalioth> thoreauputic: had sporadic reports of gb doin it to yesterday for a bit
[12:58] <thoreauputic> nalioth: well, given the events in the uk I guess traffic was pretty heavy all round for a while
[12:58] <nikkia> nalioth: not really surprising, UK networks went a bit flakey yesterday
[12:58] <nikkia> lots of people were seeing dropped packets and huge lags
[12:58] <IceDC571> ahh.. i love light weight apps :)
[12:59] <kzm> Which BT client is recommended?  Anything I should be aware of?
[01:00] <nalioth> kzm: if you have a powerful machine, use azureus
[01:00] <Hieronymus> kzm, Gnometorrent will do the job
[01:00] <scanwinder> does anyone know a boot manager that will let me boot from a cd on my old laptop which doesent have support for booting from cd?
[01:00] <bimberi> kzm: Gnome Bittorrent comes with the basic install
[01:00] <nalioth> kzm: that is because java sucks the life out of resources
[01:00] <Hieronymus> Azureus requires Java
[01:00] <Hieronymus> !javatrap
[01:00] <ubotu> No idea, Hieronymus
[01:00] <nightswim> scanwinder: perhaps grub
[01:01] <kzm> E: Couldn't find package azureus
[01:01] <lesshaste> scanwinder, I think it is possible but you will have to use a bootloader on a floppy or hard drive to do it
[01:01] <kzm> I've used gnome-bt, yes.
[01:01] <lesshaste> scanwinder, i.e. it will not boot straight from the cd technically
[01:01] <nalioth> thoreauputic: i'm surprised there isnt a floppy boot image on the ubuntu installer
[01:01] <lampshade> anyone in here done a USB wireless device with ubuntu?  does it work off the bat?
[01:01] <kzm> Speed is very slow at the start, but tends to pick up.  I assume that's the same with any client?
[01:01] <lesshaste> wireless bats ? :)
[01:01] <nalioth> kzm: yes
[01:01] <nikkia> lampshade: i use a wireless keyboard/mouse pair on kubuntu, is that close enough ?
[01:02] <nalioth> kzm: have you read how the bittorrent works?
[01:02] <scanwinder> lesshaste: how do i install it to a floppy?
[01:02] <nikkia> or did you mean USB 802.11* ?
[01:02] <thoreauputic> nalioth: true that - although some 2.6 kernels won't fit on a floppy I seem to recall
[01:02] <lesshaste> scanwinder, can you really not just install something on the hard drive? It will be simpler
[01:02] <thoreauputic> nalioth: ah scratch that - i misread
[01:02] <lesshaste> scanwinder, do you have an OS on the hard drive?
[01:03] <scanwinder> lesshaste: nope....i want to boot of a debian install cd
[01:03] <serengeti> hi :) I have 3 ubuntu computers here at home and I've come up with an idea to sync my dad's profiles on all the machines so no matter which one he chooses to use, he'll have the same desktop and files and settings
[01:03] <serengeti> I think rsync is the way to go
[01:03] <lampshade> nikkia: not really,  I was talking like the new 802.11 devices, yeah.    Then I could put this one ubuntu box upstairs and in this other room and still have net
[01:03] <nalioth> scanwinder: if you want debian, then go to debian.org and d/l the floppy boot image(s)
[01:03] <nikkia> serengeti: if they're networked, wouldn't using a network share for the home directory be easier ?
[01:03] <scanwinder> nalioth: thanks, i will try that
[01:03] <kzm> nalioth, only cursory.  I expect it needs time to start swapping with neighbors (or whatever the terminology is)
[01:03] <lesshaste> scanwinder, I understand that. But do you have an OS on the hard drive at all?
[01:03] <luzbelito> hi, pls help. how can i copy one user profile (desktop, icons, bookmarks, etc) to another one??????
[01:04] <serengeti> nikkia: but then one of the computers'd have to be on all the time
[01:04] <nalioth> scanwinder: if you want ubuntu, go to debian and d/l the woody floppy boot images
[01:04] <bimberi> serengeti: "unison" is another option worth exploring
[01:04] <nikkia> yeah, unison is nice, better than rsync, IMO
[01:04] <lesshaste> zsync is cool too
[01:04] <serengeti> bimberi: haven't heard of it gotta check it out :)
[01:05] <Hieronymus> luzbelito, the configuration files in user's home directory (the hidden '.' files, visible after pressing ctrl-h)
[01:05] <bimberi> serengeti: in a universe repo near you :)
[01:05] <scanwinder> lesshaste: nope its got no OS on it rite now
[01:06] <othernoob> a pc with no OS is like a woman with clothes on - not useable
[01:06] <lesshaste> scanwinder, hmm... ok. how did it get in that state out of interest? :)
[01:06] <nalioth> scanwinder: you can install a minimal woody, change the sources.list to ubuntu sources and install ubuntu that way
[01:07] <vi4m> hello, i have nautilus 2.10.0-0ubuntu9, that simply crashes after startup, known problem ? the same problem with gnome-panel 2.10.1-0ubuntu1
[01:07] <scanwinder> nalioth: where do i find the floppies?
[01:07] <serengeti> but there's one problem - it's not good to simply sync all of the home dir because then all the .lock files will be in place. I think I'll have to check which files needs to be excluded from syncing not to lock the whole profile :)
[01:07] <thoreauputic> othernoob: hrmph... maybe time to read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, eh ?
[01:07] <scanwinder> nalioth: all i can find is cd images
[01:07] <nalioth> scanwinder: follow the 'get debian' links and look for netinst floppy images
[01:07] <nalioth> scanwinder: make sure you get woody images
[01:07] <othernoob> thoreauputic: there's a code of conduct...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[01:08] <ubotu> well, conduct is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[01:08] <nalioths_dog> othernoob: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[01:08] <bimberi> serengeti: you can configure unison to exclude particular files/dirs
[01:08] <nalioth> boy, that dog is slow
[01:08] <samuelk> heh
[01:08] <bimberi> nalioth: need to feed him more :)
[01:08] <scanwinder> nalioth: yeh it only has 16mb ram so woody is the latest version that would work - it only need 12mb
[01:08] <thoreauputic> nalioth: you need a Greyhound ;)
[01:09] <othernoob> thoreauputic: i don't see how i disrespected any computer ;)
[01:09] <nalioth> scanwinder: wow! you'll be using a lightweight wm in ubuntu, then
[01:09] <bimberi> or her
[01:09] <scanwinder> nalioth: oh yeh, was thinkin fluxbox
[01:10] <luzbelito> how can i copy hidden files in terminal with cp command ???
[01:10] <serengeti> bimberi thanks I looked at their web page and it seems unison is the way to go :)
[01:10] <bimberi> serengeti: yw :)
[01:14] <sinferno> hey is there a way to kill gdesklets without having to click on them
[01:14] <sinferno> i have a profile with so many running that it wont run more and it wont show them on the desktop
[01:14] <thoreauputic> sinferno: killall gdesklets in a terminal should do it I gues
[01:14] <thoreauputic> *guess
[01:15] <deFrysk> and remove  .gdesklets
[01:15] <sinferno> nope
[01:15] <sinferno> didnt work
[01:15] <thoreauputic> sinferno: try sudo pkill gdesklets
[01:16] <arangel> I get this after upgrading woody to sarge "logcheck should not be run as root", but when I try to execute it with sudo or su I get the same thing, i also need logchek to run in a cron job, but I can
[01:16] <arangel> I get this after upgrading woody to sarge "logcheck should not be run as root", but when I try to execute it with sudo or su I get the same thing, i also need logchek to run in a cron job, but I can't even run it manually, Can anyone help?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> I personally recommend ' sudo apt-get remove --purge gdesklets ' but whatever...
[01:16] <Hieronymus> arangel: *not* as root
[01:16] <sinferno> nope
[01:16] <sinferno> didnt work
[01:16] <arangel> Hieronymus, i tried as a user with sudo, but that doesn't work either
[01:18] <thoreauputic> sinferno:  ps aux | grep gdesklets  and see if you can kill the processes then
[01:18] <sinferno> its ok
[01:18] <sinferno> im uninstalling
[01:18] <sinferno> i decided i didnt want gdesklets
[01:18] <sinferno> lol
[01:19] <thoreauputic> gdesklets are resource hogs...
[01:19] <sinferno> i know
[01:19] <jluk_> hello world
[01:19] <sinferno> i installed just to play with them for a sec
[01:19] <inemo> hey jluk_
[01:20] <feedback> mjr: ok, i successfully upgraded to amd64:)
[01:21] <samuelk> yay
[01:22] <anatole> could anyone help with setting up a transparent xterm?
[01:23] <Hieronymus> anatole: in the settings
[01:23] <feedback> anatole: i don't think that xterm allows that, unless you play with xcomposite, eterm should do the trick though.
[01:23] <Hieronymus> gnome-terminal lets you do that
[01:23] <anatole> i have a transparent eterm
[01:23] <feedback> [and gnome-terminal too]
[01:23] <anatole> its just that it does not accept accented characters
[01:23] <feedback> btw it's not real transparency by now.
[01:24] <anatole> which sucks when using grep
[01:24] <feedback> anatole: well.
[01:24] <feedback> that is a problem that you'd have to fix :)
[01:24] <anatole> :)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> anatole: xterm doesn't do transparency - eterm, aterm do but don't support utf-8, and gnome terminal does transparency and utf-8 but is a slow starter - take your pick ;)
[01:26] <anatole> :|
[01:26] <asad2k5> I tried installing breezy install amd64 on amd64 3200, base system installs ok but end of copying packages to hard drive the system hangs. Is there a work around
[01:26] <anatole> i would use gnome terminal
[01:26] <gm78> thoreauputic, i just tried eterm with transparency, doesnt work so well, i had it on top of xchat and it showed the desktop through the terminal
[01:26] <anatole> if i could make it borderless
[01:26] <anatole> gm78: that's how this kind of transparency should work
[01:26] <thoreauputic> gm78: it's only pseudo transparency, yes
[01:27] <gm78> thoreauputic, is there any way to make it so it shows the application behind it, does gnome-terminal do that?
[01:27] <samuelk> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/447 any one know how to fix this ut2004 error?
[01:28] <feedback> asad2k5: i did it yesterday ^^
[01:28] <feedback> well
[01:28] <feedback> i used the network install
[01:28] <thoreauputic> gm78: no, that's an X thing - xorg can do it with composite I think, but it's still experimental AFAIK
[01:28] <feedback> samuelk: it's a glx problem
[01:28] <feedback> you have to enable glx :)
[01:28] <gm78> thoreauputic, ah, alright
[01:28] <feedback> video card?
[01:28] <samuelk> in the xorg.conf file?
[01:29] <gm78> samuelk, which driver version do u have installed?
[01:29] <gm78> samuelk, the one that ships with ubuntu?
[01:29] <asad2k5> feedback, what difference does it make network or CD
[01:29] <samuelk> i installed the one from apt-get
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, did u enable it in ur xorg.conf file?
[01:30] <samuelk> dont think so..
[01:30] <samuelk> where is xorg.conf file?
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, just opened a private chat with u
[01:30] <gm78> samuelk, ill show u how to do it there
[01:30] <thoreauputic> samuelk: /etc/X11/
[01:31] <samuelk> ok
[01:31] <feedback> asad2k5: you install all the packages afterwards :) that's the difference
[01:31] <feedback> samuelk: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:32] <chez> hi guys, got a question I have a blog running on a linux box, how can I can access this using the full external ip without going through a prxy? - possible
[01:33] <asad2k5> feedback, I mean in my case, why it hangs all the pakages are copied to hard disk but installer seems failing to go next step
[01:33] <chez> obviously the blog is running on apache, wordpress it is infact
[01:33] <asad2k5> feedback, Do i have to disable power management
[01:36] <onkarshinde> anyone using Ubuntu on HP laptop?
[01:37] <brad> i used to
[01:37] <brad> then i got a 100000 times better thinkpad
[01:37] <onkarshinde> brad: any thing that didn't work? What was status of Modem?
[01:39] <Shufla> hello. I'm favourably shocked with Ubuntu foundation :)
[01:39] <brad> onkarshinde: it was a zv5000 and more stuff worked than with any other distro....i had broadcom wifi and it was crap with linux in general, and i havent used a modem since 99...lol
[01:40] <brad> onkarshinde: ubuntu actually let me have my 1280x800 res out of the box! and when i ebayed the laptop i sold it with ubuntu on it :)
[01:40] <onkarshinde> brad: Thanks. I am planning to buy an HP laptop soon (just because I am getting it cheap). So wanted to know what all works.
[01:40] <brad> onkarshinde: what model are you gettin?
[01:40] <samuelk> okey here again
[01:41] <onkarshinde> brad: Nx6120
[01:41] <Groverman> hi everyone
[01:42] <samuelk> hey where are you--
[01:42] <Groverman> Is there a BeOS lookalike theme for Metacity? Like Beos5 PE. Not Wasp theme.
[01:43] <nomed> hi all
[01:43] <Groverman> hi nomed
[01:43] <samuelk> okey glxgears still not working..
[01:43] <nomed> in debian there is a file called pmount.allow
[01:44] <nomed> that let u pmount not-remov devices .. like /dev/hda1
[01:44] <nomed> is it possible in hoary ..
[01:44] <brad> onkarshinde: i have no idea about the pci-express "based" intel 900 gfx chip, thats all i see that i dont think will work...IF thats the trim level you are buying
[01:44] <Groverman> nomed, pmount does exist in hoary
[01:45] <nomed> Groverman, i mean pmount.allow .. it doesn'exist
[01:46] <nomed> in pmount.allow it's possible to make a list of devices like /dev/hda1 /dev/hda3 that parmits pmount to mount them ...
[01:46] <valery> ol
[01:46] <Groverman> nomed, if you have a look at man pmount you will see that you give users permission by group
[01:47] <Groverman> nomed, maybe you can attach that group to the device you want to allow...?
[01:47] <onkarshinde> brad: Lets see. I will first try Ubuntu Live on it. Then I will make it dual boot. Once I know how to make everything work. Then I will dump Win XP Pro.
[01:48] <brad> onkarshinde: thats a good idea :)
[01:50] <nikkia> brad, from what i've seen, the i900 graphics is 'ok'
[01:51] <onkarshinde> brad: I found a page on Ubuntu site that tells which laptop (and what components) will work in Ubuntu. It mentions Nx6110 & that Broadcom and card reader won't work. I didn't see mention of Nx6120. Are Nx6120 and Nx6110 same in config?
[01:53] <brad> nikkia, onkarshinde: im not sure if they are the same, most of the time its a cpu/a few components changed. broadcom is annoying and i didnt know the card reader was installed in that model. the version i looked at on the i-net had ipw2200 in it and that works fine (you can always change it)
[01:54] <nikkia> brad, i wouldn't say ipw2x00 works 'fine', personally
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> uh
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> it does
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> hte ipw2200 works great
[01:54] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: then why doesn't WEP work on my ipw2200 card ?
[01:54] <digitalfox|sleep> dunno! WEP works fine here
[01:55] <digitalfox|sleep> haven't tried it under Ubuntu yet, maybe the version packaged with it is broken
[01:55] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: it only works with 128-bit wep, 64/40 bit doesn't work, at all
[01:55] <brad> nikkia: ok, i can say that i 50/50 agree with you......it for me at least with ubuntu it works great out of the box.....fedora on the other hand :/
[01:55] <digitalfox|sleep> I used WEP all the time under Gentoo with it
[01:56] <samuelk> can someone help me with this problem: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/447
[01:56] <brad> bbl
[01:57] <Groverman> samuelk, do you have Load "glx" in your xorg.conf file?
[01:58] <samuelk> yes i have---
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> nikkia, I used 64 bit WEP on this when I was using a secured WAP at school
[01:58] <samuelk> the one who is there is old
[01:58] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: well, it doesn't work for me
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> we used 64 bit primarily because I had a PDA wifi card that could only handle 64
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> are you sure you aren't on an ipw2100?
[01:58] <nikkia> digitalfox|sleep: it claims to be connected to the WAP, but no data gets thru
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> have you tried setting the WEP key manually?
[01:58] <nikkia> yes
[01:58] <digitalfox|sleep> weird
[01:59] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[01:59] <samuelk> groverman any clue?
[01:59] <Groverman> samuelk, i was thinking.... what does glxinfo say?
[02:00] <samuelk> "GLX"missing
[02:00] <Groverman> so X has not loaded it
[02:00] <Groverman> what video-card you got?
[02:00] <samuelk> ti 4200
[02:01] <samuelk> i will post my new xorg.conf
[02:01] <samuelk> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/449
[02:02] <samuelk> my xx.von
[02:02] <samuelk> any help for you?
[02:04] <Groverman> samuelk, looks fine. have you installed nvidia-glx ?
[02:04] <samuelk> yes i have
[02:05] <samuelk> installed version 1.0.7174-0ubuntu1
[02:05] <Groverman> samuelk, then i have no clue. had a friend with ti4200 that worked good after nvidia-glx was installed... hmmm
[02:05] <copap|ikser> Does Ubuntu 5.04 Support Serial ATA? I had many problems with Suse and Debian
[02:05] <samuelk> well... i will try to fix it later gtg afk
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, wait
[02:06] <samuelk> okey..
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, did you do "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" ?
[02:06] <samuelk> dont think so..
[02:06] <Groverman> samuelk, it need to be enabled to work
[02:07] <samuelk> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[02:07] <samuelk> thats good?
[02:08] <Groverman> samuelk, probably. try to restart the computer (or ctrl+alt+backspace?
[02:08] <Groverman> samuelk, probably. try to restart the computer (or ctrl+alt+backspace)
[02:08] <deFrysk> samuelk, read your xorg.conf about what to do after manulally editing it
[02:08] <digitalfox|sleep> Ubuntu needs a graphical setup tool for the xorg.conf
[02:09] <samuelk> is it said that to in there
[02:09] <samuelk> afk now..
[02:09] <samuelk> gtg eating..
[02:09] <deFrysk> digitalfox|sleep, why ?
[02:09] <digitalfox|sleep> because the average user should never have to touch it
[02:10] <digitalfox|sleep> I'm a Unix purist at heart but I don't think my grandmother should have to edit config files :(
[02:10] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure does the trick fine ;)
[02:10] <digitalfox|sleep> grandma shouldn't have to run some weird thing from a commandline
[02:10] <deFrysk> digitalfox|sleep, whatever
[02:11] <digitalfox|sleep> can one change color depth without restarting X?
[02:11] <digitalfox|sleep> *ponders*
[02:13] <tommy> can any1 help me out?? havin a bit of trouble installin mplayer
[02:14] <usual> no big deal to restart X
[02:14] <usual> ctrl-alt-bksp
[02:15] <thoreauputic> tommy: I think you'll need to be a bit more specific...
[02:17] <Gourami> is there supposed to be a man for clamav ? I get no entry
[02:18] <deFrysk> clamscan
[02:18] <deFrysk> iIrc
[02:18] <Gourami> thanks
[02:18] <tommy> ok... im usin the latest amd64 release of ubuntu, i have tried "apt-get install mplayer-amd64" some of the packages download then there is a MDsum error
[02:19] <thoreauputic> ah .. amd64 ... can't help then - maybe someone running amd64
[02:19] <digitalfox|sleep> ARGH. why on earth is this becoming a problem >.<
[02:19] <tommy> i think it could be the repos
[02:19] <digitalfox|sleep> a lot of KDE-related packages aren't in the repositories
[02:20] <Riddell> digitalfox|sleep: what isn't there?
[02:20] <bimberi> tommy: yes it probably is the repos - try switching, say to uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> okay...
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> here is what it is trying to install
[02:21] <tommy> i downloaded it the other day fine but then had 2 reformat and install ubuntu again but 2day not havin it..... will try the changin 2 uk now tho
[02:21] <flyerman> did someone run eve online on linux?
[02:21] <bimberi> tommy: there has been problems with the us repos for the last day or so
[02:21] <digitalfox|sleep> ark, atlantik atlanticdesigner kde-core kdeaddons kdeaddons-kfile-plugins kdeadmin kdebase kdeprint kfind knewsticker-scripts konq-plugins konqueror kuser psutils
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> it gets some of these
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> okay
[02:22] <digitalfox|sleep> I get md5sum mismatches on ark, atlantik psutils kfind kdeaddons-kfile-plugins knewsticker-scripts and kuser
[02:23] <flyerman> does someoen has a repo for gaim 1.4?
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> is there any way I can force it to ignore MD5sums?
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> or rebuild them?
[02:23] <Riddell> digitalfox|sleep: md5sum issues are a currently problem with the archives, try a different mirror (de.ubuntu, uk.ubuntu etc)
[02:23] <tommy> that might be the reason then
[02:23] <bimberi> digitalfox|sleep: could the same issue as tommy - try switching repos
[02:23] <digitalfox|sleep> is there a ca. ?
[02:24] <bimberi> digitalfox|sleep: yes
[02:24] <thoreauputic> digitalfox|sleep: same machine as us AFAIK
[02:24] <Corical> ciao
[02:25] <digitalfox|sleep> thanks!
[02:25] <digitalfox|sleep> :D
[02:25] <tommy> thats it then the us repos are facked
[02:26] <NoHope> hi all
[02:26] <digitalfox|sleep> yep
[02:26] <digitalfox|sleep> apparently
[02:26] <virtuald> is there a way to access the wiki without tls/ssl? links2 in ubuntu isn't linked with the ssl libs
[02:26] <bimberi> tommy: atm - yes
[02:26] <tommy> well bein in the uk doesnt it make sense 2 get stuff from uk repos??
[02:27] <bimberi> tommy: too right - no use in wearing out those undersea cables :)
[02:28] <deFrysk> are there also oversea cables then ?
[02:28] <digitalfox|sleep> I'm in the us sadly  :(
[02:28] <tommy> anyway cheers 4 the help guys.... laters
[02:28] <digitalfox|sleep> bye
[02:29] <NoHope> I have some questions about Ubuntu...
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> NoHope, Re:?
[02:29] <NoHope> Is GNOME-based, but is it possible to install Qt and KDE?
[02:29] <mjr> NoHope, of course
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> yes
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> Kubuntu
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> look it up
[02:29] <deFrysk> NoHope, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <NoHope> I prefer GNOME, but I'll try to develop some Qt applications...
[02:30] <mjr> NoHope, in fact, there's the Kubuntu project, which uses KDE by default, but you can also install regular Ubuntu and then add the kubuntu-desktop package for a full KDE installation
[02:30] <digitalfox|sleep> I've heard Qt is easier to code for than GTK
[02:30] <mjr> digitalfox|sleep, I've heard that too, but I'd guess it's largely due to people comparing the GTK C api to Qt ;)
[02:30] <NoHope> I'd downloaded the install CD but I didn't install yet... Does it comes with: perl? php? apache? python? tcl/tk? anjuta? glade?
[02:30] <digitalfox|sleep> true :p
[02:31] <NoHope> mjr, I don't know what is better to my purposes: GTK and Qt.
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> NoHope, the install CD comes with perl I'm nearly positive
[02:31] <mjr> I mean, it's nice for portability and bindability that the GTK API is C, but if you're sane, you can still program GTK software with some nicer language (Python, Java, whatever)
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> dunno about apache and php
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> brb
[02:31] <mjr> NoHope, right; well, the important thing is that you can easily have both in ubuntu
[02:32] <mjr> s/in/on/
[02:32] <NoHope> mjr. It's good.
[02:32] <NoHope> ***ON*** ubuntu? not ***in*** ubuntu?
[02:32] <G|immer> hello, again
[02:32] <mjr> NoHope, and as for perl, apache and python, I think both are in main. PHP might've been only in the universe repo (but still available), can't check right now
[02:33] <mjr> anjuta and glade are of course available
[02:33] <barosl> hi
[02:33] <Fikrann> Hello all
[02:33] <mjr> NoHope, well, let me rephrase: Ubuntu has supported packages for both gtk and qt :)
[02:34] <barosl> hi
[02:34] <NoHope> mjr, I'm searching a distro to developers. I tried gentoo, but it has a lot of bugs. Slack is so good, but I don't like the package management and some other features.
[02:34] <ElGranAzul> Hi all
[02:34] <NoHope> mrj, Are you a developer? As I said, I'm between GTK and Qt...
[02:34] <ElGranAzul> someone have hylafax running under ubuntu?
[02:35] <ElGranAzul> or could help me, please?
[02:35] <NoHope> Qt team is so good. They have a lot of good applications, like KOffice, knoda, umbrello (it's so better than DIA)
[02:35] <mjr> NoHope, I'm a semi-developer, and I'd use GTK (but not with C, but using some nicer application programming language such as python or java or whatever you like), but I'll admit to some bias against KDE/Qt stuff
[02:35] <virtuald> i want links2 in the next release to have tls/ssl support. where do i ask for it?
[02:35] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[02:35] <mjr> (heck, even C# ;)
[02:35] <nikkia> NoHope: my only complaint about ubuntu/kubuntu as a developer, is the very very old version of sqlite in hoary, but that will be fixed with breezy
[02:36] <znh> Erm, I did the ubuntu base installation.. and have installed xorg already, but how to install the gnome window manager?
[02:36] <G|immer> i had to shutdown suddenly last time and did not get what ubotu told me about firefox 1.02. can someone help?
[02:36] <Xen1th> Hey i have installed ubuntu and dual booting on this pc but everytime i go start it once i have typed in username and passoword no matter what i select it just freezez, nothing works i have to yank power cable, i can get to the rescue terminal thingy tho, is their anything or any command type thing i could type their that basically kills ubuntu completely and so i could try installing agen?
[02:36] <mjr> znh, if you installed ubuntu and not kubuntu, gnome should be installed by default
[02:36] <mjr> or oh, base installation
[02:36] <znh> mjr: not if you choose the base installation ..
[02:36] <thoreauputic> !firefox
[02:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[02:36] <mjr> znh, install ubuntu-desktop
[02:36] <flyerman> someone with a audigy zs 2 here?
[02:36] <NoHope> nikkia, yap. I have to study it more... GTK vs. Qt... I still am between...
[02:36] <djp> does mutt work straight away for sending email and receiving via an isp?
[02:36] <znh> mjr: I only want gnome
[02:37] <djp> by straight away, i mean under hoary. mutt is installed by default
[02:37] <znh> Does anyone know how to install gnome?
[02:37] <NoHope> Is there a general-programming channel
[02:37] <NoHope> ?
[02:37] <znh> NoHope: no they are specified in several channels
[02:38] <G|immer> strange that vendorSub here says "1.0"
[02:38] <thoreauputic> znh: install ubuntu-desktop
[02:38] <NoHope> znh... ah. thx.
[02:38] <znh> thoreauputic: does that only install gnome?
[02:38] <dhodo> HAIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[02:38] <znh> eh hello dhodo
[02:39] <Xen1th> Hey i have installed ubuntu and dual booting on this pc but everytime i go start it once i have typed in username and passoword no matter what i select it just freezez, nothing works i have to yank power cable, i can get to the rescue terminal thingy tho, is their anything or any command type thing i could type their that basically kills ubuntu completely and so i could try installing agen?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> znh: plus a selection of apps - you could uninstall wj=hat you don't need afterwards I guess
[02:39] <znh> thoreauputic: ah ok
[02:39] <G|immer> is it enought to follow the steps in UbuntuGuid.org to add repositories?
[02:40] <znh> hehe.. my family finnaly lft windows after several crashes
[02:40] <thoreauputic> znh: apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | less      for more info
[02:41] <znh> thoreauputic: yea it's kinda much.. I wish there was a normal way to install gnome..
[02:41] <znh> just like kde, apt-get install kde..
[02:42] <thoreauputic> znh: I guess if you look at the apt-cache depends you can cherry pick
[02:43] <znh> thoreauputic: true
[02:43] <talat> alo
[02:43] <Hieronymus> alo
[02:44] <znh> alo
[02:44] <talat> naber?
[02:44] <znh> try in english :)
[02:44] <talat> germany?
[02:44] <znh> ich spreche keine deutsch
[02:44] <znh> eh... just did xD
[02:45] <thoreauputic>   /join #ubuntu-de
[02:45] <talat> leider, ich kann nur deutsch sprechen:(
[02:45] <znh> talat: /join #ubuntu-de
[02:46] <talat> danke:)
[02:46] <znh> Scroopy: Hi to austria
[02:46] <znh> talat:bitte
[02:46] <bimberi> G|immer: The repositories in ubuntuguide include backports which is ok for installing packages (that you must have) but not for doing general upgrades
[02:47] <Mez> bimberi, just an FYI: backports are now official :D and will be being added to the ubuntu repositories within the next couple of weeks
[02:47] <Mez> :D
[02:47] <znh> the backports mirrors give me many 404 errors
[02:47] <G|immer> bimberi: ic. thks.
[02:47] <bimberi> Mez: ty :)
[02:47] <Mez> znh - sudo apt-get update
[02:48] <znh> Mez: i'm not that stupid ;)
[02:48] <G|immer> btw, is there a PHP4 package for Ubuntu?
[02:48] <bimberi> G|immer: There's a (currently) recommended sources.list at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:48] <Mez> znh: what are you getting 404s on and what mirror are you using?
[02:48] <Aragorn_Guardian> hi all
[02:49] <znh> Mez: not using backports currently, but it happend with many packages such as xfce4
[02:49] <Mez> znh :D that should be fixed
[02:49] <znh> Mez: yea
[02:52] <znh> `oh oh.. transfering a new gigabyte of data to my harddisk -_-
[02:52] <G|immer> znh: :-O
[02:52] <znh> hey what do I see.. is vnc(viewer/server) default in ubuntu-desktop?
[02:53] <Fikrann> znh, vncviewer is.
[02:53] <znh> awesome!
[02:53] <Fikrann> znh, as for server, I'm not sure.
[02:53] <znh> server isn't, just checked but that the viewer is default is really cool
[02:54] <znh> Hmm can anyone suggest me what resources are required for vncserver with many connections (think about ~5)
[02:55] <Fikrann> znh, fast connection
[02:56] <thoreauputic> znh: if you are into remote graphical stuff you should check out freeNX by the way (*much* better than plain vnc)
[02:56] <znh> Fikrann: yea okay that's no problem, it's in a local network
[02:56] <znh> thoreauputic: I'll check that out!
[02:56] <G|immer> after i updated the repository lists from ubuntuguide.org, and did an 'apt-get update', why i now get 2 'W: Couldn't stat source package' erros in Synaptic?
[02:57] <Fikrann> znh, besides that I think it would be as heavy as ordinary X session.
[02:57] <jerome__> salut  tous
[02:57] <Hieronymus> jerome__: francais: #ubuntu-fr
[02:58] <znh> Fikrann: that's true, two users using gnome takes about 700 Megs of ram (they would use firefox, and amsn)
[02:58] <znh> so it has to be at least one gig of ram
[02:58] <Fikrann> znh, most of that are buffers.
[02:59] <znh> Fikrann: jup, but all buffered ram won't be used for other programs
[02:59] <Fikrann> znh, besides, you stated 'vnc server with multiple connections' not 'multiple vnce sessions'
[02:59] <Fikrann> }:>
[02:59] <comadreja> (ws 5
[03:00] <znh> hehe your sharp :)
[03:00] <znh> but indeed, it are multipile vnce sessoins
[03:00] <G|immer> is it a bad thing to install upgrades that Synaptic says "can't be authenticated"??
[03:00] <znh> G|immer: not really
[03:01] <znh> G|immer: It just means it's not signed
[03:01] <znh> synaptic should explain that..
[03:01] <Fikrann> Indeed it should.
[03:01] <G|immer> znh: thx :) fingers crossed, lol
[03:01] <znh> G|immer: hehe no worries
[03:02] <G|immer> znh: btw, where all the downloaded packaged are saved?
[03:02] <bimberi> G|immer: There have been problems with the "us" repositories.  You could try removing "us." from all entries that have it or use an alternative (such as uk.)
[03:02] <znh> G|immer: hmm.. /var/cache/apt
[03:03] <thoreauputic> G|immer: /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <znh> G|immer: hmm.. /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:03] <znh> <:)
[03:03] <reka> G|immer: what upgrades?  use of BP should be as limited as possible.
[03:03] <G|immer> thx to all. :)
[03:03] <G|immer> reka: huh?!
[03:04] <znh> G|immer: BP = backports
[03:04] <thoreauputic> G|immer: best to limit use of backports ATM
[03:04] <Fikrann> znh, I think a gig of ram, perhaps /home on stripping array (not exactly raid, lvm2 will perform as well) + good cpu.
[03:04] <kvidell> limit the use of backports because of bandwidth, sure.. but there's nothing wrong with it security-wise.
[03:04] <znh> Fikrann: yea, maybe even a dual is required :?
[03:04] <znh> :/
[03:04] <kvidell> It's Marillat you wanna watch out for.
[03:05] <G|immer> znh, thereau: ic. but i am already downloading! lol
[03:05] <Fikrann> znh, I doubt that, only if your users are going to be playing flash games all the time.
[03:06] <znh> Fikrann: It's awesome.. I have a 220mhz laptop connected to my vncserver.. and it's extreamly fast (even on 10mbit)
[03:07] <znh> I think it may be even more cheap to buy several laptops (200mhz like), and one extreamly good server
[03:07] <znh> for e.g. at home
[03:07] <G|immer> this room is great. thumbs up. do u think i get so much help if i were on a windows channel? lol
[03:07] <Fikrann> yes, that's good approach. Now put wlan cards into all of these machines }:>
[03:07] <znh> G|immer: They don't even exist ;)
[03:08] <G|immer> znh: LMAO
[03:08] <kvidell> Glimmer: It's possible. Depends on the group of people. If _I_ were in a windows channel I'd help out as much as possible :-P
[03:08] <G|immer> kvidell: nice :p
[03:08] <znh> kvidell: It would gave me a headache to help people in a window channel.. windows != logical
[03:08] <znh> +s
[03:08] <kvidell> you'll have that ;P
[03:09] <znh> :)
[03:09] <G|immer> it is been years since i used Linux. Teh day before yesterday I installed Ubuntu, and I feel now I am hooked.
[03:09] <din> G|immer, good for you. :)
[03:09] <G|immer> my P3 feels alive again. lol
[03:09] <znh> 'the day before yesterday'... what remindes me with those words :/
[03:09] <kvidell> a movie
[03:09] <znh> yea?
[03:09] <din> i haven't used anything but linux since 1998
[03:09] <kvidell> mmhmm
[03:09] <kvidell> I'm gunna go
[03:09] <reka> a crap movie :)
[03:09] <kvidell> breakfast
[03:09] <kvidell> w00t
[03:10] <kvidell> reka: lol.
[03:10] <znh> lol, haha
[03:10] <Scroopy> anyone here running a SoudBlaster AUdigy 2 ZS on Ubuntu??
[03:10] <znh> kvidell: happy meal
[03:10] <Fikrann> Scroopy, I've been.
[03:10] <Scroopy> Fikrann, you reckon you could help me get mine going?
[03:10] <reka> din: what was your first distro?
[03:11] <G|immer> din: I had RedHat before that date installed on a P233MMX. cannot remember when. hehe
[03:11] <din> reka, redhat 6.1
[03:11] <znh> G|immer: redhat.. that made me think that linux completly sucks
[03:11] <znh> It was even more unstable as windows :D
[03:12] <znh> ok.. nearly
[03:12] <din> then i went to mandrake, then slackware, then debian, then gentoo
[03:12] <din> this box is my first ubuntu
[03:12] <din> pretty much debian though :p
[03:12] <G|immer> znh: at that time, I did not know the whys and hows.. i liked it for as long as it lasted (not long, i have to say. lol)
[03:12] <znh> din: did you like slackware?
[03:12] <din> znh, yeah, slackware was good
[03:13] <znh> G|immer: not long, indeed.. I remember me that too, it screws itself up after a while
[03:13] <din> gentoo is my fav still
[03:13] <din> ubuntu is nice too though
[03:13] <znh> din: I liked gentoo too, but I hated the compiling of every pacakges
[03:13] <din> brb
[03:13] <din> znh, you get used to it
[03:13] <znh> din: time is expensive..
[03:14] <hack_benjamin> right, im needing to get the kernel-sources so i can make menuconfig, hows it done?
[03:14] <spamalope> i dont get why ppl say windows isnt stable
[03:14] <penguin42> I have a rather cosmic question
[03:14] <G|immer> znh: probably those were the reason I left it, too. I cannot really recall the reasons... [CRC error, lol]
[03:14] <penguin42> How often is the universe updated?
[03:14] <timmy_the_testic> can anyone help me out how would i apt-get akernel so i can make menuconfig it??
[03:14] <spamalope> anyone that know his stuff can run any modern OS well
[03:14] <reka> znh, din: what's the default gentoo DE?
[03:14] <znh> spamalope: Try to use a windows ftp server for 70 days, it won't succeed
[03:14] <hack_benjamin> timmy_the_testic: hack_benjamin right, im needing to get the kernel-sources so i can make menuconfig, hows it done
[03:14] <znh> reka: 'DE' ?
[03:15] <spamalope> i never use a windows box for anything internet facing
[03:15] <reka> penguin42: security updates only
[03:15] <spamalope> but its not because of it not being stable
[03:15] <reka> desktop environment/window manager
[03:15] <znh> spamalope: without internet it's awesome indeed (or local network)
[03:15] <hack_benjamin> timy_the_testicle: what time we going out?
[03:15] <znh> reka: It has no defaults ;)
[03:15] <G|immer> spamalope: i use Win2K Pro on this same P3, and it is great. Many ppl complain about stuff that work with me with no problems. But, the one thing I say is that Ubuntu is WAY faster on my P3 with 256 SDRAM! lol
[03:15] <penguin42> reka: Ah ok, I was wondering if things were added to universe; just hadn't noticed openoffice2 was in universe before
[03:15] <spamalope> i have win2k/2k3 servers that dont never ever crash
[03:15] <penguin42> so - the universe isn't expanding (ahem)
[03:15] <din> znh, there is no default DE
[03:16] <znh> reka: It's like the ubuntu base installation, and everything else you may depend what's being installed
[03:16] <spamalope> same with my linux and bsd boxes
[03:16] <din> you choose your liking
[03:16] <znh> din: I told him that
[03:16] <timmy_the_testic> i know.... b at my work bout 9pm-10pm ish
[03:16] <din> errr sorry
[03:16] <reka> znh, din: ah righto. :)
[03:16] <znh> din: np :)
[03:16] <din> i stepped away from my desk for a sec
[03:16] <din> :)
[03:16] <znh> going to put this harddisk in my dad's box, bye
[03:16] <din> cya
[03:17] <DAWKIRST> Hi people.
[03:17] <timmy_the_testic> can anyone help me out how would i apt-get akernel so i can make menuconfig it??
[03:17] <DAWKIRST> Is there some way I can get windows users to access my files? Samba?
[03:17] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: nod
[03:17] <hack_benjamin> timmy: apt-get install buildessentials bin86 and some other stuff
[03:18] <reka> penguin42: actually, i'm not so sure now. :)
[03:18] <din> http://img91.echo.cx/my.php?image=xfce41lu.jpg <-- my ubuntu box
[03:18] <reka> i recall someone asking how they could add their package to the repo
[03:18] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, any idea how they can get access to mine? Samba?
[03:18] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Yes, you need to install the samba server on your machine
[03:18] <reka> penguin42: but the answer might have been for inclusion in breezy
[03:18] <reka> i can't remember
[03:18] <penguin42> reka: Hohum
[03:19] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, can you perhaps guide me? I don't know how to install the server.
[03:19] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Do sudo apt-get install samba  in a shell and carefully answer the config options it gives you
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, okay. Just one thing: my synaptic says it is already installed.
[03:20] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: OK, probably just needs configuring and enabling
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, perhaps I should just configure it?
[03:20] <penguin42> nod
[03:20] <din> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:20] <din> :)
[03:20] <DAWKIRST> ta
[03:20] <din> brb
[03:21] <DAWKIRST> Not working.
[03:21] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, any help configuring Samba?
[03:22] <hack_benjamin> timmy:
[03:22] <timmy_the_testic> yes
[03:22] <hack_benjamin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelByHandHowto
[03:23] <Suepahfly> can anyone tell me how I get dlopen or something?
[03:23] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: First thing is to check it is running
[03:23] <Suepahfly> i need it to compile kvirc
[03:23] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, k, how?
[03:24] <penguin42> OK - before I try and remember the syntax for update-rc.d is there a pretty srevices manager on ubuntu ?
[03:24] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: do  sudo update-rc.d  samba defaults
[03:24] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: and  sudo update-rc.d samba start
[03:24] <ed1t> is there any other package like wine?
[03:24] <reka> penguin42: rcconf perhaps?
[03:24] <reka> ah, no.
[03:25] <penguin42> reka: I was expecting to find one off the system menu somewhere
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, seems I don't have it: dawkirst@tarkalin:~$ sudo update-rc.d  samba defaults
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/samba: file does not exist
[03:25] <DAWKIRST> dawkirst@tarkalin:~$
[03:25] <Suepahfly> can anyone tell me how I get dlopen^^
[03:25] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Can you have a look in /etc/init.d and see if samba or something with a similar name exists - I don't have it installed here
[03:26] <sinferno> whats the cedega command to run in a widnow
[03:26] <penguin42> Suepahfly: 'get' it ?
[03:26] <Trace> hello, does anybody meet the problem sis integrated sound card? 1039:7013
[03:26] <Suepahfly> apt-get can't find it
[03:26] <penguin42> Suepahfly: You don't need to - its in the standard libraries - what you trying to do ?
[03:26] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, yes. I have a folder named Samba in /etc (btw, what does etc stand for?)
[03:26] <Fikrann> Trace, can you tell me which chipset it is integrated into?
[03:26] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: What about in /etc/init.d ?
[03:27] <Mez> If i manually edit my /etc/resolv.conf and restart the etherenet (ifconfig eth0 down) will that work?
[03:27] <Suepahfly> i'm trying to compile kvirc, but it sais it can't find dlopen capabilities
[03:27] <Aragorn_Guardian> how debconf works?
[03:27] <penguin42> Suepahfly: Hmm - it should be in libdl
[03:27] <Aragorn_Guardian> what is exactly for?
[03:27] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, yes, I have /etc/init.d as well...
[03:27] <Fikrann> Mez, you don't need to deconfigure your ethernet device
[03:27] <Mez> Fikrann, why not?
[03:27] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: OK, but do you have anything with a name like samba in /etc/init.d ?
[03:28] <Fikrann> Mez, any change to resolv.conf will be immediately active.
[03:28] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, nope.
[03:28] <Trace> Silicon Integrated System
[03:28] <Suepahfly> id do have /usr/lib/libdl.so so that's correct right?
[03:28] <Fikrann> Trace, which model
[03:28] <Mez> Fikrann, the simple fact is I'm having problems with my Router acting as a DNS proxy which I think I can resolv manually
[03:28] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Hang on a mo - let me just download and install it
[03:29] <Trace> Sorry, because i don't have this computer, what do you mean , Fikrann?
[03:29] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, ta.
[03:29] <penguin42> timmy_the_testic: Erm your name is rather long - have you erm...thought of ...erm... a castration?
[03:29] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: So /etc/init.d/samba doesn't exist?
[03:30] <Fikrann> Trace, exact chipset model name.
[03:30] <Trace> SiS735 chipset, maybe
[03:30] <timmy_the_testic> nah cos i am a testicle:P
[03:31] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, no.
[03:31] <Trace> i googled this problem, many gays meet this problem
[03:31] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Hmm then I don't think you have the samba server installed - perhaps you are misreading synaptic - perhaps you just have some client part installed - do   sudo apt-get install samba
[03:31] <Trace> linux 2.6.11 telles me to use snd-intel8x0, it is 1039:7012, but, i can't hear any sound
[03:31] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, right.
[03:32] <din> Trace, have you unmuted the channels?
[03:32] <Trace> no, i am sure.
[03:33] <Trace> when i use i810_audio module, at least, i can hear sound
[03:33] <din> no you haven't unmuted them?
[03:33] <Trace> thouth it isn't drived totally, still some errro.
[03:34] <din> does the intel8x0 even load?
[03:34] <Trace> do you mean snd-intel8x0 or intel8x0?
[03:34] <din> snd-intel8x0
[03:34] <Trace> at first, i load snd-intel8x0, no sound at all
[03:35] <Trace> because /lib/modules/`uname -a`/modules.map tells me 1039:7012 use snd-intel8x0, it doesn't work actually
[03:36] <[2] BoxingFiend> quick questions.. i'm getting all kinda of md5sum error using mirrormax.net for backports and extras, any other suggested site i can use?
[03:36] <Fikrann> Trace, can you see any channels when you run alsamixer?
[03:36] <din> Trace, so you have the channels unmuted when you use the snd-intel8x0 then?
[03:36] <Trace> oh, i don't try it.
[03:36] <Trace> no.
[03:36] <din> Trace, well try
[03:36] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: planetmirror.com
[03:37] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, done. There is now a samba in /etc/init.d
[03:37] <din> remove the i810_audio module
[03:37] <din> and modprobe snd_intel8x0
[03:37] <din> then run alsamixer
[03:37] <Trace> ok, but now i don't in front of that computer, that is a liveCD, so , i don't think it is that problem
[03:37] <din> use "m" to unmute the channels
[03:37] <din> w/e, what would I know
[03:37] <Trace> because this liveCD can make sound in others computer.
[03:38] <penguin42> DAWKIRST: Cool - so now you should find samba is running - you just need to configure it to tell it how to validate users and what bits to let people see
[03:39] <bimberi> [2] BoxingFiend: full url is http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports/
[03:39] <Trace> I build a liveCD, and it will play a music when bootup, but in that computer, i can hear nothing.
[03:39] <DAWKIRST> penguin42, ta man. I gtg now. I'll ask again if I encounter any difficulties...
[03:39] <DAWKIRST> Ciao'.
[03:39] <Trace> so, i think it is the problem about sound card driver.
[03:40] <din> Trace, so why are you telling us?
[03:40] <din> fix it then
[03:40] <Trace> Anyway, thx Fikrann, din!!
[03:40] <Trace> I just want to ask anyone know how to fix this problem.
[03:40] <din> unmute the channels so you can hear them??
[03:40] <din> lol
[03:41] <Trace> how to deal with Silicon Integrated System sound card
[03:41] <Trace> no
[03:41] <din> *sigh*
[03:48] <Fikrann> Hey guys, is there any metapackage I could tell a newb to install to get him kernel build enviroinment?
[03:48] <xfSx> ety fueketey fekekek
[03:48] <xfSx> telos aah fixed :)
[03:48] <xfSx> telos so wassup
[03:48] <xfSx> telos bbl; food
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:20:27          telos |  r0x000r!
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:20:32          telos |  oh fuck
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:26:31          telos |  fuckety fueketey fekekek
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:33:57          telos |  aah fixed :)
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:34:00          telos |  so wassup
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo 12:41:11          telos |  bbl; food
[03:48] <xfSx> Stereo the sound of science
[03:49] <xfSx> oops wrong window
[03:49] <xfSx> ;)
[03:49] <Shinjan> hi folks
[03:49] <Groverman> hi Shinjan
[03:49] <Groverman> what's up?
[03:50] <whiprush> Fikrann: build-essential
[03:52] <unimatrix9> hi there
[03:52] <ed1t> hey unimatrix9
[03:52] <lotusleaf> Nermal, O_O
[03:52] <Nermal> aye
[03:52] <Kyral> anyone know why the sound in ZSNES isnt working?
[03:52] <ed1t> how do i install jre on ubuntu?
[03:52] <unimatrix9> the older ubuntu, can you setup smb as easy as in the newer ones?
[03:52] <Suepahfly> so any of you having succesfully installed KVirc?
[03:53] <unimatrix9> you know to share files
[03:53] <ed1t> i know i gotta fakeroot it and stuff
[03:53] <Gourami> which is full access 700 or 750 ? (chmod)
[03:53] <Suepahfly> 777
[03:54] <unimatrix9> just an simple apt-get install samba and klick to share the file, is that also possible on older ubuntu?
[03:54] <Fikrann> whiprush, thank you.
[03:54] <frix_> hi - how can i tell nautilus to use a certain icon for all files with the $certain extension?
[03:54] <reka> Suepahfly: what problems you having?
[03:54] <Gourami> thanks
[03:55] <Suepahfly> can't compile, i get dlopen errors
[03:55] <reka> Suepahfly: hm, it's in the repo.
[03:55] <Gourami> Suepahfly, I have a shared directory (SMB) that I want everyone to be able to read, whats the correct permissions ?
[03:55] <reka> Suepahfly: why not jsut apt-get install
[03:55] <Aragorn_Guardian> penguin42: where i cat get info about this update commands?
[03:56] <Suepahfly> the version in th repo is 2.1.13, the latest stable is 3.2
[03:56] <penguin42> Gourami: You don't need to use the magic numbers - you can do   chmod a+rx directory
[03:56] <penguin42> Aragorn_Guardian: Which update command?
[03:56] <Gourami> penguin42, thats read only correct ?
[03:57] <Aragorn_Guardian> update-rc.d fpr example...
[03:57] <penguin42> Gourami: Nod - read it as a+rx is 'all add read, execute' - now you need 'execute' on a directory to be able to browse it, but not on files
[03:57] <Aragorn_Guardian> not just the man...
[03:58] <siorfin> anyone here have experience with running world of warcraft? i need to know why it runs slow in windowed mode hwen i can run it fine like that in winblows
[03:59] <Gourami> penguin42, can you tell me why I no longer get a password prompt from SAMBA ? I may have changed something in the config
[03:59] <Zukero> hello
[03:59] <penguin42> Aragorn_Guardian: Hmm you know man is good! There is some stuff in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc that might be useful?
[03:59] <Zukero> anyone here knows if xpde works well under ubuntu ?
[03:59] <penguin42> Gourami: Sorry no
[04:00] <reka> Zukero: do you mean xpdf?
[04:00] <siorfin> anyone with experience running world of warcraft
[04:00] <siorfin> ?
[04:01] <LinuxSword> hehe maybe on wine ;)
[04:01] <siorfin> i have it running on cadega
[04:01] <siorfin> just dunno if there is somethign special i ned to do so it runs faster in windowed mode
[04:01] <penguin42> siorfin: What is cadega ?
[04:02] <Zukero> reka : no xpde Desktop Environment with looks like winXP
[04:02] <siorfin> cadega is a paid version of wine called winex or formerly winex
[04:02] <penguin42> oh ok, the transgaming one?
[04:02] <reka> Zukero: oh
[04:02] <feedback> the name is cEdega, btw
[04:02] <siorfin> yes transgaming
[04:02] <siorfin> whatever, details details
[04:02] <feedback> siorfin: is 3d acceleration/bloody hell/glx/whatever enabled?
[04:03] <siorfin> of course
[04:03] <luzbelito> hi all, i cant see my navigation bar on nautilus. how can i activate it?
[04:03] <siorfin> i only get like 1500 in glxgears and 230 in fgl_glxgears though
[04:03] <Zukero> luzbelito set in preferences, : open in a single window
[04:03] <siorfin> but it runs faster in windowed mode under windows than under ubuntu
[04:04] <reka> luzbelito: it's in prefs > behaviour tab > enable "always open in browser windows"
[04:04] <siorfin> my vid card sucks but it should run faster than it is
[04:04] <siorfin> seems to run bout the same fullscreen as windows but not windowed ;p
[04:05] <Moppin> In my cedega experiance, new games run slower in linus than it does in windows.  I know there is alot of support for WoW in the official transgaming forums.
[04:06] <feedback> luzbelito: there is no navbar unless you use the "browser" mode
[04:06] <Fikrann> Moppin, >any< game will run slower in an emulator than on native platform.
[04:06] <Fikrann> in fact, >any< software run in an emulator will run slower.
[04:06] <znh> Hm.. what's the current suggested sources.list ?
[04:06] <siorfin> winex isnt really an emulator though it is a compatibility layer or so ive read
[04:06] <feedback> Fikrann: the difference between native/emulated starcraft is thin
[04:06] <feedback> really thin
[04:06] <luzbelito> ok wait
[04:06] <siorfin> it runs pretty mcuh the same speed as windows in fullscreen
[04:07] <feedback> siorfin: yep, and in fact it DOES emulate the execution of win32 binaries.
[04:07] <siorfin> just not windowed
[04:07] <reka> znh: well, a sample one can be found here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:07] <znh> reka: thanks, was search exatcly that one ;)
[04:07] <znh>  http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[04:07] <luzbelito> thankxxx !!!
[04:08] <luzbelito> i just wanna say that ubuntu system and community is the best computer choice !
[04:08] <siorfin> feedback: when I think emulator i think something like ...whats that called win4lin that opens a virtual desktop or whtaever taking more ram, technically i guess you could say ye sit does emulate since it takes native windows calls and translates them for linux use
[04:08] <siorfin> or whatever
[04:09] <siorfin> im ok with running in fullscreen though is rather run windowed if i can speed it up some
[04:09] <luzbelito> question: i wanna import other user bookmarks to my user (root permission). how can i do that ?
[04:09] <siorfin> you need root permissions?
[04:10] <din> luzbelito, as in firefox bookmarks?
[04:10] <G|limmer> guys, i find it strange that Mysic Player and Totem both say i do not have the codec to play mp3 files! is that "normal"?
[04:10] <serengeti> G|limmer yup
[04:10] <feedback> btw, my X fonts are really badly rendered, does anybody know where can I modify fontconfig/defoma/whatever settings?
[04:10] <feedback> maybe through dpkg-reconfigure something
[04:10] <ed1t> does anyone know how to install java runtime?
[04:10] <Kyral> G|limmer, its one of those "issues" that you can solve with the almighty Backports :D
[04:11] <siorfin> i uninstalled totam and installed xmms and mplayer
[04:11] <Kyral> !backports
[04:11] <ubotu> hmm... backports is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:11] <feedback> ed1t: sure, there is a script for that
[04:11] <ed1t> feedback, fakeroot?
[04:11] <G|limmer> serengeti, Kyral: ic.
[04:11] <din> luzbelito, well if you don't mind copying over your root's bookmarks, you can always cp -r /home/(youruser)/.mozilla /root
[04:11] <feedback> ed1t: well. no
[04:11] <feedback> the script uses fakeroot
[04:11] <Kyral> quite easy to fix
[04:11] <feedback> apt-get install java-package i think
[04:11] <ed1t> feedback, i did that
[04:11] <siorfin> has anyone installed autopackage?
[04:11] <serengeti> Glimmer: but you domn't need backports do get mp3 plugin
[04:12] <Kyral> serengeti, I thought you did, oh well, my bad
[04:12] <din> luzbelito, otherwise you can just grab the bookmarks.html file from your ~/.mozilla folder and copy that over
[04:12] <Kyral> !info w32codecs
[04:12] <feedback> ed1t: /usr/lib/java-package or such then.
[04:12] <feedback> there are some script.
[04:12] <feedback> there are some scriptS.
[04:12] <G|limmer> serengeti: am alredy downloading some updates from there. so, where to find the mp3 codec then? and a DivX one if possible...
[04:12] <serengeti> G|limmer you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:12] <ed1t> <3 java
[04:13] <serengeti> I think it's in universe
[04:13] <feedback> :P
[04:13] <Kyral> !info gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:13] <ubotu> gstreamer0.8-mad: (MAD MPEG audio decoder plugin for GStreamer), section universe/libs, is optional. Version: 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 136 kB
[04:13] <Kyral> ah, I see
[04:13] <Kyral> I killed Gstreamer :P
[04:13] <Kyral> totem-xine :D
[04:13] <G|limmer> serengeti thnks.
[04:14] <G|limmer> Kyral: thanks for the nfo. hehe
[04:14] <serengeti> that's pretty extreme isn't it Kyral ;p
[04:14] <feedback> totem-gstreamer sucks... gstreamer needs a lot of work before it can handle fine video playback
[04:14] <Kyral> anyone know why ZSNES runs with sound when I execute it from command line, yet when I use the entry in my Debian menu, it doesn't?
[04:14] <ed1t> !info java-package
[04:14] <ubotu> java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 0.23 (hoary), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 264 kB
[04:14] <siorfin> !info java
[04:14] <ed1t> !info jre
[04:14] <ed1t> i need a java runtime
[04:14] <feedback> ed1t: ...
[04:14] <feedback> wait
[04:14] <siorfin> cool ill have to remember that
[04:14] <Kyral> serengeti, I did it to get AVIs to work, and I have never had problems
[04:15] <Fikrann> feedback, to get your fonts better looking edit /etc/fonts/local.conf
[04:15] <feedback> ed1t: ok
[04:15] <serengeti> Kyral I understood you got rid of gstreamer completely
[04:15] <siorfin> !info autopackage
[04:15] <ed1t> nalioth told me how to do fakeroot and stuff last night
[04:15] <reka> ed1t: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:15] <feedback> you should go to /usr/share/java-package
[04:15] <ed1t> there
[04:15] <feedback> then
[04:15] <feedback> sudo sh whateveryouwant.sh
[04:15] <feedback> there are a lot of scripts
[04:15] <feedback> choose the one you need
[04:15] <Kyral> serengeti, I got rid of totem-gstreamer
[04:15] <feedback> Fikrann: thanks
[04:16] <feedback> Fikrann: wait, i have no local.conf
[04:16] <evanpro> Howdy all.
[04:17] <Fikrann> feedback, which Ubuntu version are you using?
[04:17] <feedback> breezy
[04:17] <feedback> Fikrann: i bet i chose something wrong with debconf
[04:17] <evanpro> Any suggestions for how to get an up-to-date version of the Open Office 1.9.x betas working on my Ubuntu x86 boxen?
[04:17] <feedback> i just re-installed
[04:17] <feedback> due to the x86_64 upgrade
[04:17] <nalioth> ed1t: how are you doin today?
[04:17] <G|limmer> is there a PHP4 package for Ubuntu?
[04:17] <nalioth> reka: ya learnin some tricks?
[04:18] <ed1t> nalioth, hey!! im good thx, u
[04:18] <feedback> now font rendering sucks and i don't know why!
[04:18] <feedback> evanpro: there is some script at evolutioncolt.com
[04:18] <serengeti> Kyral I see, so gstreamer is still living somewhere in your system :) so gst-ffmpeg didn't work for you?
[04:18] <evanpro> feedback, grazie
[04:18] <feedback> or
[04:18] <feedback> m
[04:18] <feedback> evanpro: i'll search for it.
[04:18] <Zukero> has any other DE/WM than gnome and KDE been tested successfully under ubuntu ?
[04:19] <catfox> hi all. are there any docs for creating custom live cd's based on ubuntu
[04:19] <nalioth> ed1t: back again, to answer more questions
[04:19] <evanpro> G|limmer, php4?
[04:19] <ed1t> repositories finally working for me
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: all of them
[04:19] <feedback> evanpro: http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/11
[04:19] <evanpro> G|limmer, I mean, apt-get install php4
[04:19] <feedback> that's it
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: which one(s) did you have in mind?
[04:19] <reka> nalioth: woof
[04:19] <Kyral> serengeti, I just found it easier to sudo apt-get install totem-xine xine-ui w32codecs :D
[04:19] <Zukero> XPDE
[04:19] <G|limmer> evanpro: lol thx
[04:19] <Zukero> for example
[04:19] <Zukero> but
[04:19] <nalioth> reka: heh heh
[04:19] <ziortza> hi
[04:19] <Zukero> i want to try them out one by one
[04:19] <nalioth> Zukero: whee, i never heard of that one
[04:20] <Zukero> to find by myself which is my favorite
[04:20] <catfox> i'd like to create a live cd, with zope and plone installed and running upon boot, with some custom zope apps installed. no idea where to start tho :)
[04:20] <ralc> hmm i cant find w32codecs.. it says its not available
[04:20] <serengeti> Kyral I see :)
[04:20] <nalioth> Zukero: there are a number of desktop manglers available
[04:20] <Zukero> nalioth : it's for my parents, it looks like winXP
[04:20] <Kyral> ralc: Backports
[04:20] <nalioth> Zukero: ah
[04:20] <ralc> Kyral, ahh okay
[04:20] <ziortza> aitzibar!!
[04:21] <ziortza> aitziber
[04:21] <Zukero> http://www.xpde.com/
[04:21] <ziortza> jeejeej
[04:21] <ralc> Kyral, i did not think they were necessary
[04:21] <aitziber> ke pasa
[04:21] <Kyral> Thats up in the air :P
[04:21] <ziortza> can u read me?
[04:21] <aitziber> si
[04:21] <nalioth> ralc: they are not, for w32codecs
[04:21] <Kyral> I personally couldn't live w/o backports
[04:21] <ziortza> let's talk in english
[04:21] <ziortza> eejejjeejeje
[04:21] <nalioth> ralc: you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu and download them
[04:21] <Kyral> nalioth, you try getting them without backports
[04:21] <nalioth> Kyral: already have them via mplayer
[04:22] <Kyral> Ah, I see
[04:22] <nalioth> Kyral: mplayer website
[04:22] <Kyral> I don't like MPlayer, thats why :D
[04:22] <Fikrann> Kyral, you always can go the Gentoo way and install everything from scratch.
[04:22] <Fikrann> };>
[04:22] <eskaypey> hey guys how do you restart x
[04:22] <eskaypey> ?
[04:22] <reka> eskaypey: ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:22] <Kyral> Gentoo hates my system for some reason :P
[04:22] <eskaypey> thanks
[04:22] <Fikrann> eskaypey, ctrl+alt+BkSpace
[04:23] <frix_> one question: i chose english as the system's default language - how can i use gnome in my native language?
[04:23] <ed1t> nalioth, i finally got the java runtime installed
[04:23] <ed1t> thd
[04:23] <ed1t> thx
[04:23] <Fikrann> Kyral, and personally, I hate Gentoo .. it's broken in soooo many ways.
[04:23] <nalioth> ed1t: great! now you can run java things and suck %50 of your system resources with one proggy
[04:23] <Kyral> yah you are telling me?
[04:23] <Kyral> I only run Java for Azureus
[04:24] <lotusleaf> Linux geeks who end up in hell get stuck with compiling Gentoo for eternity
[04:24] <G|limmer> how to permanently re-set the default screen resolution i want?
[04:24] <ed1t> nalioth, lol
[04:24] <Kyral> and actually, it doesn't give a performance hit
[04:24] <Fikrann> lotusleaf, lol, yes!
[04:24] <Kyral> my system == uber for Linux :D
[04:24] <lotusleaf> Kyral, sure it does, it's like the sugar pill, it's all psychological ;)
[04:24] <nikkia> lotusleaf: so what you're saying, is they become regular gentoo users?
[04:25] <lotusleaf> nikkia, I really don't know what I'm saying, I haven't slept in days. ;(
[04:25] <evanpro> feedback: That script is out of date (104, not 113). I'm going to try doing a uupdate with the current source code and build from scratch
[04:25] <nalioth> you guys, this is funny (pathetic) i finally got java running on my PPC, started azureus and 12 hours later, it was still loading
[04:25] <Kyral> ewwww
[04:26] <Fikrann> lol
[04:26] <Fikrann> Anyway .. I must be off.
[04:26] <Hieronymus> nalioth: java :/
[04:26] <Hieronymus> !javatrap
[04:26] <ubotu> somebody said javatrap was http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html
[04:26] <ed1t> nalioth, im trying to mount my fat32 partition, i followed the steps from ubuntuguide.org but got an error
[04:26] <ed1t> mount: special device /dev/hda5 does not exist
[04:26] <nikkia> nalioth: eclipse does that to me, if i forget to switch to the kde desktop its set to initially get pushed to :)
[04:26] <Fikrann> Be well!
[04:26] <nalioth> Hieronymus: yes, thats why i avoid java apps
[04:26] <nalioth> ed1t: stay away from ubuntuguide, it will lead you astray
[04:26] <Hieronymus> nalioth: Azureus can be avoided, .... right?
[04:26] <ed1t> ooo
[04:26] <Hieronymus> !ubguide
[04:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubguide is Please do not follow Ubuntuguide; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines (number 3)
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: most all java apps can be avoided (i cant think of any i HAVE to use)
[04:27] <Hieronymus> nalioth: why use java then? It's non-free
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: i found it challenging to get installed on my PPC
[04:27] <nalioth> Hieronymus: so it was the challenge
[04:27] <feedback> this sort of font rendering sucks
[04:28] <feedback> don't know why.
[04:28] <nalioth> Hieronymus: and also, i'll try later to get jomic to run (jomic.sourceforge.net)
[04:29] <reka> ed1t: sounds like you're trying to mount an invalid partition.  check the output of sudo fdisk -l
[04:29] <nalioth> Hieronymus: but although jomic as nice(r) features, i have 2 other comic book readers on my box
[04:29] <Hieronymus> nalioth: you just like to install things because it's hard?
[04:29] <nalioth> ed1t: have you searched https://wiki.ubuntu.com for mounting windows partitions?
[04:29] <Hieronymus> Well, I can understand you install non-free binary shit then
[04:30] <Hieronymus> !mountwindows
[04:30] <ubotu> Hieronymus: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:30] <nalioths_dog> ed1t: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:30] <ed1t> nalioth, thats wat im trying to do now
[04:30] <Hieronymus> ubotu: mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:30] <ubotu> okay, Hieronymus
[04:31] <Kyral> Anyone know any good N64 Emulators for Linux?
[04:31] <Hieronymus> Kyral: no
[04:31] <frix_> once again: i chose english as the system's default language - how can i use gnome in my native language?
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: and then choose a new default
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: you should be able to choose from the 'languages' button in GDM too
[04:32] <yacek_> welcme
[04:32] <frix_> cmatheson: but i dont wanna change the systems default
[04:32] <frix_> just for gnome
[04:32] <cmatheson> frix_: run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales`
[04:32] <cmatheson> oh
[04:33] <lotusleaf> I swallowed a bag of rice and a printout of the gentoo sources and had it all compiled by suppertime
[04:33] <cmatheson> then just change it from the menu in GDM
[04:33] <luzbelito> i just wanna say that ubuntu system and community is the best computer choice !
[04:33] <frix_> cmatheson: in gdm theres just english
[04:33] <lotusleaf> luzbelito, agreed
[04:33] <Hieronymus> frix_: install the other languages' support
[04:33] <yacek_> I have some problems with kernel
[04:33] <ed1t> nalioth, do i just replace the original fstab with winmac_fstab's context?
[04:33] <cmatheson> frix_: install the locale packages you want, and then run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[04:34] <nalioth> ed1t: no, you execute the winmac_fstab in a terminal "sh winmac_fstab"
[04:34] <nalioth> ed1t: use "sudo"
[04:34] <ed1t> ooo k
[04:34] <frix_> how do i do that?
[04:34] <Hieronymus> ed1t: no, make the thing executable first, then run ./winmac_fstab
[04:35] <yacek_> i compiled my own kernel without pseudofilesystems> dev and during start ubuntu gives message "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" how to get rid of it??
[04:35] <nalioth> Hieronymus: 6 of one, half-dozen of another
[04:35] <nalioth> ed1t: either method described to you will work
[04:36] <ed1t> nalioth, i did sh winmac_stab
[04:36] <ed1t> with sudo
[04:37] <ed1t> i dont see any disks added to /media
[04:37] <ed1t> or do i have to reboot?
[04:37] <Hieronymus> ed1t: no
[04:37] <ralc> heh i can't find w32codecs even though i use backport
[04:37] <Groverman> ed1t, sudo mount -a
[04:38] <Groverman> ed1t, that will read your fstab and mount
[04:38] <nalioth> ed1t: no reboot necessary
[04:38] <ed1t> oooh k
[04:38] <SDFH_Linux> is gnome 2.10.2 available for ubuntu?
[04:38] <ralc> Kyral, where do you get your backport from?? or something :)
[04:38] <nalioth> ralc: go to www.mplayerhq.hu and to their codecs downloads page
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: get the 'essential package'
[04:39] <ed1t> i got the windows partition now, but i have one more parititon which is fat32 which i use for data between linux and windows
[04:39] <ralc> nalioth, i did that.. but where are they supposed to go, the codecs?
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: put all the codecs in /usr/local/lib/codecs
[04:39] <ralc> nalioth, okay
[04:39] <nalioth> ralc: just the codecs (not the folder they came in)
[04:39] <Hieronymus> ralc: press 'reload' in Synaptic, then try again
[04:40] <marko> hello
[04:40] <marko> could anybody help with installing my usb-printer?
[04:40] <luzbelito> edlt: what is the problem with that?
[04:41] <marko> /proc/bus/usb/devices says, that he has found him, but I can't print
[04:41] <ed1t> nalioth, im not on apple though
[04:41] <ralc> nalioth, there is no such directory. should i create it?
[04:41] <chez> Can someone tell me a nice pcmia wireless card, preferably with a prism 2 chip that I can use on my viao running ubutu?
[04:41] <ralc> Hieronymus, doesnt work =/
[04:41] <nalioth> ralc: yes
[04:41] <marko> I've got a MPC190... is there any driver for it?
[04:41] <SDFH_Linux> is gnome 2.10.2 available for ubuntu?
[04:42] <Hieronymus> ralc: are you sure you have backports? Maybe you need backports-extra
[04:42] <himitsu> hi all
[04:42] <luzbelito> i cant download video clips from canon ixus 400 with gthumb 2.6.3. pls help me
[04:42] <luzbelito> its ok with photos
[04:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[04:42] <SDFH_Linux> k
[04:42] <chez> c'mon who has a wireless card, what is ubuntus support like for it?
[04:43] <nikkia> chez, i have about 6 of them
[04:44] <luzbelito> i cant download video clips from canon ixus 400 with gthumb 2.6.3. pls help me
[04:44] <nikkia> some work, some don't :)
[04:44] <peterretief> chez, i have used both atheros and prism chipsets succesfully, i had a problem with prism 54 v2 chip though
[04:44] <Jonax> Quick question - What's the command needed to run .deb's
[04:44] <evanpro> Jonax, dpkg -i
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: dpkg -i will *install* them
[04:45] <Jonax> ta evanpro :)
[04:45] <chez> nikkia, peterretief - so support is prett good then? is there like a central hardware compatability chart for ubuntu?
[04:45] <evanpro> That will install the debian package, and you can then run the programs within
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: to find commands in the future: apropos blabla
[04:45] <Hieronymus> Jonax: to find out more about commands: man command
[04:45] <evanpro> Hieronymus, I thought that was a convenient gloss
[04:46] <Hieronymus> evanpro: a what?
[04:46] <peterretief> chez, the hostap only works with the prism set as far as i know
[04:49] <j^> what happend to libwx2.5.3 in breezy?
[04:49] <Moppin> !wireless
[04:49] <ubotu> wireless is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[04:49] <evanpro> Hieronymus, dpkg -i whatever.deb leads to /usr/bin/whatever being runnable
[04:49] <BiSK-8> hello
[04:50] <evanpro> Hieronymus, a "gloss" is a summary or abbreviation; "glossing over" the details
[04:50] <BiSK-8> can any1 help me with totem?
[04:51] <BiSK-8> ok.....i'll just ask
[04:51] <reka> BiSK-8: telling us the problem would help. :)
[04:51] <BiSK-8> when i click on am mp3 it sais: Audio codec 'MPEG 1 Layer 3 CBR' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[04:51] <reka> BiSK-8: you need to install a codec with mp3 support
[04:51] <BiSK-8> how?
[04:52] <reka> BiSK-8: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad will do
[04:52] <feedback> hello.[i've solved the font thingy] , anyone got flashplayer running on amd64? [NO CHROOT]
[04:52] <nalioths_dog> BiSK-8: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:52] <BiSK-8> i have real player
[04:52] <reka> BiSK-8: more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:52] <BiSK-8> it wont work either
[04:52] <BiSK-8> :D
[04:53] <Zukero> where is it that i can tell gdm where to look for other DE ?
[04:53] <BiSK-8> yippiy
[04:53] <BiSK-8> it works
[04:53] <nalioth> Zukero: when you log in, there is a "sessions" link you can click
[04:53] <BiSK-8> thanks ppl
[04:53] <Zukero> yeah
[04:53] <Zukero> but
[04:53] <Zukero> in configurations files
[04:53] <Zukero> like
[04:54] <Zukero> I installed a new one
[04:54] <BiSK-8> ok then
[04:54] <nalioth> Zukero: ah, you've discovered lazy packagers disease
[04:54] <BiSK-8> i would like to install java for firefox
[04:54] <Zukero> i need to tell gdm where that it exists, and where to find it ?
[04:54] <nalioth> Zukero: what DM did you install and does it not show up in the session mangler?
[04:54] <BiSK-8> how should i do that?
[04:54] <nalioths_dog> BiSK-8: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:54] <BiSK-8> i did
[04:54] <BiSK-8> wont work
[04:55] <Zukero> well, i installes xpde, and they ask to modify the .xinitrc
[04:55] <Zukero> but
[04:55] <nalioth> Zukero: in /usr/share/xsessions you'll find some files, open one and use it as a template
[04:55] <Zukero> no .xinitrc
[04:55] <Zukero> ok
[04:55] <BiSK-8> ok
[04:55] <BiSK-8> thanks guys
[04:55] <ralc> !backports
[04:55] <ubotu> backports is probably http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:55] <nalioth> Zukero: but please don't modify the file you are using as a template (or you'll be buggered)
[04:55] <Hieronymus> ralc: !ubguide
[04:55] <Hieronymus> !ubguide
[04:55] <ubotu> well, ubguide is Please do not follow Ubuntuguide; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines (number 3)
[04:57] <serengeti> is there a way to remove disk drive link from gtk's file chooser? there's no disk drive in my thinkpad
[04:57] <kids_at_the_pool> first time using linux and irc. i have a fat32 primary partition named "files" to share with winxp, and when I try to write to this partition it says "you do not have permission to write to this folder". Can anyone help? Thanks
[04:57] <nalioths_dog> kids_at_the_pool: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[04:59] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioths_dog: hmmm, so fat32 drive isn't "mounted" right now? I can see one folder in it "system volume information"
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: that script should mount your fat32 stuff read/write (but will only mount your NTFS read-only)
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: it probably is, if you can see it
[04:59] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: but you've mounted it read only or with the wrong user permissions
[04:59] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: oh okay. so back in CS class we used to chmod stuff, that won't work here i guess?
[05:00] <dbernar1> nalioth: just cause writing is not safe in Linux, writing to ntfs drives that is, otherwise it works.
[05:00] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: it needs to be properly outlined in the fstab
[05:00] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: i'll try your suggestion, thanks a lot
[05:01] <Moppin> kids_at_the_pool, when you type 'mount' does it list your FAT32 as (rw) or (ro) ?
[05:01] <nalioth> dbernar1: yes, it does
[05:02] <dbernar1> I know you know, dunno why I chose your name instead of his.
[05:02] <dbernar1> cause I was really anmswering his question...
[05:02] <nalioth> dbernar1 i'm half asleep
[05:02] <dbernar1> nice
[05:02] <chomario> hi to all!
[05:03] <dbernar1> why are you awake anyhow, you are same time zone as me...
[05:03] <dbernar1> or is it 11 where ou are?
[05:03] <nalioth> dbernar1: i'm in Houston, Tx  (10am)
[05:03] <dbernar1> hi chomario
[05:03] <kids_at_the_pool> moppin: well it says "dev/sda5 on /files type vfat (rw)" and  i have names my fat32 partition "files" so unless there's another common linux folder named files...
[05:03] <dbernar1> ya, I thouigh you were same time zone.
[05:04] <dbernar1> kids_at_the_pool: nah,. thats your files.
[05:04] <nalioth> kids_at_the_pool: there may be more you need to add to that line of your fstab
[05:05] <chomario> little question: where the countrychooser is?
[05:05] <chomario> countrychooser package
[05:05] <kids_at_the_pool> nalioth: okay
[05:05] <dbernar1> there is a explanation in the wiki on how to mount fat32 with fstab instructions, I believe.
[05:05] <dbernar1> !windows
[05:05] <ubotu> hmm... windows is Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[05:05] <dbernar1> not that one
[05:06] <kids_at_the_pool> dbernarl: lemme try the ubuntu wiki then
[05:06] <Zukero> ok
[05:06] <kbrooks> !alternative
[05:06] <ubotu> somebody said alternative was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[05:06] <reka> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:06] <Hieronymus> ubotu: windows is Everything runs in GNU/linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[05:06] <ubotu> ...but windows is already something else...
[05:06] <reka> dbernar1: the ubotu command is mountwindows
[05:07] <dbernar1> yup, reka has it
[05:07] <reka> for the wiki reference above
[05:07] <chomario> I was searching on breezy,hoary and warty with no results ; |
[05:08] <holycow> what is the wireless applet called in breezy?  this is just for testing, i know breezy is unstable
[05:08] <holycow> wireless applet package even
[05:08] <dbernar1> why do you think xmms is much quieter, less loud, than music player/rhytmbox for example?
[05:08] <samuelk> what do i add in xorg.conf after done the nvidia-glx-config enable command?
[05:09] <dbernar1> samuelk: doesnt the wiki tell you?
[05:09] <samuelk> give adress to wiki
[05:09] <dbernar1> !binarydriver
[05:09] <ubotu> dbernar1: Are you smoking crack?
[05:09] <dbernar1> :(
[05:09] <dbernar1> !binary
[05:09] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dbernar1
[05:10] <Hieronymus> !nvidia
[05:10] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:10] <samuelk> danke
[05:10] <dbernar1> hehe
[05:10] <reka> dbernar1: you checked xmms' volume? btw, beep-media-player is nicer.
[05:10] <dbernar1> bite
[05:10] <dbernar1> hehe
[05:10] <dbernar1> ya, the volume is fine, off course.
[05:10] <dbernar1> should have mentioned...
[05:10] <six2one_away> holycow: ill tell you in a min, im installing breezy in qemu right now and it will be done soon
[05:12] <holycow> six2one_away, danke
[05:12] <redtech> !wpa
[05:12] <ubotu> redtech: Bugger all, i dunno
[05:12] <Zukero> i managed to run xpde
[05:12] <Zukero> but
[05:12] <Zukero> nothing works in it
[05:12] <Zukero> :)
[05:12] <Zukero> like
[05:12] <Zukero> no desktop icon works
[05:12] <Zukero> and launching xchat from terminal crashed the session
[05:12] <nalioth> Zukero: did you read the faq at the site?
[05:13] <nalioth> Zukero: it requires some libraries that i'm not sure are in ubuntu by default
[05:13] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox' ... any clue?
[05:13] <BobaFett> I've never seen that error message before!
[05:13] <feugan3333> Hi all. When looking at the output of free, it says i've only got a total of 800mb of ram while I have 2GB. Anyone know what the problem could be?
[05:13] <serengeti> oh well I guess it's my questions-asking season:) is there any solution for a noisy fan in Thinkpad t42? acpi says the processor's temperature is just 39C, but the fan sounds as if it was working on a high gear...
[05:14] <supernix> Has anyone here experienced trying to install Linux on a Compaq ?
[05:14] <ralc> how do i delete a dir in a console?
[05:14] <serengeti> I wantet to try lmsensors but there's this scary message
[05:14] <nalioth> serengeti: has the fan run out of grease?
[05:14] <six2one_away> rm
[05:14] <serengeti> about thinkpads
[05:14] <nalioth> ralk rmdir
[05:14] <BobaFett> ralc ... try with 'rm'
[05:14] <serengeti> nalioth: this laptop is one week old
[05:14] <nalioth> serengeti: heh, so it has plenty of grease
[05:14] <redtech> supernix: what kind of compaq?
[05:14] <chomario> feugan3333: have you a raiser file system??
[05:14] <serengeti> nalioth it's really silent under windows
[05:15] <nalioth> serengeti: the acpi soft may not realize how new it is or something
[05:15] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox' ... any clue?
[05:15] <serengeti> :D
[05:15] <ralc> six2one_away and BobaFett thanks
[05:15] <feugan3333> chomario: no, normal amd64 box
[05:15] <supernix> My fiancee has a Compaq that is a little over a year old can't recall the model
[05:16] <chomario> feugan3333: :  )  ok, but what file system??  XFS, Raiser, EXT2....
[05:16] <LSD25> hi
[05:16] <dbernar1> BobaFett: there was some post somewhere, maybe while installing, that over a gig of ram needs to be enabled somewhere, make some keywords of my sentence, and then search google, is best I can do...
[05:16] <serengeti> nalioth I guess it'll run out of grease pretty soon if it keeps spinning like that... :rolleyes:
[05:16] <chomario> hi LSD25
[05:16] <nalioth> serengeti: you know how it is: the manufactures give microshaft all the tech specs, and our linux devs have to guess a lot of the time
[05:17] <jmjones> anybody know how to change your user's icon in gdm?
[05:17] <Suepahfly> so anyone got a recent version kvirc running on Ubuntu, the one in the repo is badly outdted
[05:17] <BobaFett> I have only 512 ram, dbernar :)
[05:17] <cookiemnstr> how do i set up dial up connection with ubuntu?
[05:17] <BobaFett> its that feugan dude with the 1GB+ RAM issue :)
[05:18] <feugan3333> chomario: ext3
[05:18] <Groverman> is there an easy way of submitting a software suggestion of upcoming release to the ideapool?
[05:19] <LSD25> what's the difference between warty/hoary/.. ?
[05:19] <LSD25> i'm new to ubuntu and wander what to choose
[05:19] <luzbelito> LSD25: the realease name
[05:20] <reka> cookiemnstr: start off with sys > admin > networking perhaps
[05:20] <LSD25> thanx luzbelito
[05:20] <serengeti> nalioth I'm not complaining :) I'm just looking for a solution. The bit about windows being able to slow down the fan wasn't there to bash linux devs it's just an observation :)
[05:20] <Groverman> LSD25, hoary is the latest release.
[05:20] <reka> LSD25: hoary is the most recent stable release
[05:20] <feugan3333> LSD25: hoary is a newer release. IE newer packages
[05:20] <nalioth> LSD25: choose hoary, that is the current stable version
[05:21] <LSD25> than, what's specific about the other two ?
[05:21] <nalioth> serengeti: and i've explained in my own slapdash way of why it is doing that. . .
[05:21] <chomario> feugan3333: oh, i my mistake.  Is it compiled by that way on the amd 64bit release of ubuntu. I have the 32 bit version still.
[05:23] <LSD25> it sounds like a very nice linux to me
[05:23] <LSD25> i think i need something like that to chill on
[05:24] <Groverman> how do i add software to ideapool
[05:24] <Hieronymus> LSD25: linux is just a kernel
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !linux
[05:24] <ubotu> [linux]  the "kernel", or core of the Ubuntu operating system. Ubuntu is only one version of Linux. For more information on Linux in general, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !gnu
[05:24] <ubotu> methinks gnu is "http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html"
[05:24] <Hieronymus> !gnu/linux
[05:24] <ubotu> Hieronymus: I give up, what is it?
[05:24] <BobaFett> Guys ... i need help! :( Im getting a 'couldn't initiate scheduler' message when I try to run volume control or rhythmbox ... any clue?
[05:25] <samuelk> i have dont as it says in https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto on nvidia graphics card but i dont gett glx to work
[05:25] <nalioth> Groverman: your answer is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:25] <LSD25> Hieronymus :D i meant distro
[05:25] <chomario> feugan3333 for v2.6 "Processor type and features -> High Memory Support ". Put 4G
[05:26] <feugan3333> chamario: Thanks alot
[05:26] <kryl> hi
[05:26] <kryl> I have some problem with wepattack compilation under ubuntu hoary
[05:27] <kryl> is there a way to download binary ?
[05:27] <nalioth> kryl: is it listed at http://packages.ubuntu.com  ?
[05:27] <LSD25> samuelk why not just install the nvidia driver and modify the xorg.conf
[05:27] <kryl> nalioth, no
[05:28] <dbernar1> its not in the repos.
[05:28] <LSD25> the README with the driver explains alot, but if you got problem i can help you in basic to get it running
[05:28] <kryl> so?
[05:28] <nalioth> i don't even know what it is
[05:28] <cookiemnstr> thanks
[05:28] <nalioth> kryl: is there no binary on its website?
[05:28] <kryl> it is a wardriving tools to improve wep security
[05:28] <kryl> no
[05:29] <nalioth> kryl: what probs are you having? (yes i'm off-topic)
[05:29] <kryl> nalioth, I'm just searching a way to install wepattack on ubuntu ... so perhaps I can take the package from a debian server !
[05:29] <nalioth> kryl: not advised
[05:30] <Suepahfly> so anyone got a recent version kvirc running on Ubuntu, the one in the repo is badly outdted
[05:30] <kryl> mmm
[05:30] <nalioth> kryl: you mentioned compile errors
[05:30] <kryl> yup
[05:30] <kryl> an instant please
[05:30] <nikkia> sue, i use the repository version on kvirc's homepage
[05:30] <chomario> ; )
[05:30] <nikkia> Suepahfly: it works fine
[05:30] <Suepahfly> the deb package form kvirc.net?
[05:31] <nikkia> Suepahfly: yeah
[05:31] <Suepahfly> nikkia,  how did you install, i cant since i have outdated libs
[05:31] <nikkia> i can't remember if i added the repository to my sources, or just dpkg -i'ed the files, but it all worked fine
[05:32] <Suepahfly> i gat a bunch of version mismatches
[05:32] <Suepahfly> wich version of kvirc do you use ?
[05:32] <kryl> I need to install a lot of library ... from the compilation errors ...
[05:32] <nalioth> kryl: so use synaptic to find and install them
[05:33] <kryl> I'm on the way
[05:33] <nikkia> actually, i take it back
[05:33] <nikkia> apparently, i built from source
[05:33] <Suepahfly> whe i build from source i get a dlopen error in ./configure
[05:33] <kryl> openssl/md5.h < wich package handle this header ?
[05:34] <dbernar1> kryl, I am following instructions right now, Ill tell you if it is possible to install...
[05:34] <nalioth> kryl: look for ssl-dev or something like that
[05:34] <kryl> root@plexus:/home/kryl/sources/WepAttack-0.1.3/src # apt-file search md5.h | grep open
[05:34] <kryl> libopenipmi-dev: usr/include/OpenIPMI/md5.h
[05:34] <kryl> libssl-dev: usr/include/openssl/md5.h
[05:34] <kryl> ok
[05:34] <auk> grphx: ping
[05:34] <nikkia> Suepahfly: as far as i can see in my config.log, i got a dlopen error, but it was non-fatal
[05:35] <samuelk> should i install fglrx if i install an nvidia card`?
[05:35] <nikkia> ah
[05:35] <nikkia> it tried -ldl after that
[05:35] <kryl> done . . .
[05:35] <kryl> it seems to work
[05:35] <Suepahfly> so i do "./configrue -ldl" ?
[05:35] <nikkia> Suepahfly: no
[05:35] <reka> samuelk: fglrx is for ati cards
[05:35] <samuelk> k
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowTo
[05:36] <samuelk> reka i have yes i have done that but i dont gett me nvidia glx thing to work
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: check out that site...nvidia isntructions are at the bottom
[05:36] <Suepahfly> so what sould i do then nikkia ?
[05:36] <nikkia> Suepahfly: i just did ./configure apparently
[05:36] <nikkia> it gave a dlopen error, then tried again using -ldl and decided that worked
[05:36] <reka> samuelk: can't really help you there...i'm using an ati card
[05:37] <samuelk> k
[05:37] <kryl> thanks for your advices
[05:37] <samuelk> reka to bad :/
[05:37] <LSD25> bye
[05:37] <Suepahfly> I get a bunch of lines saying dlopen is not available and the i get "configure: error: "This was fatal...aborting"
[05:37] <nalioth> kryl: don't get in too much trouble, now
[05:37] <samuelk> Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[05:37] <nalioth> :)
[05:37] <samuelk> reka is says
[05:37] <Discipulus> I have a question
[05:38] <kryl> ok
[05:38] <nikkia> Suepahfly: *shrug* perhaps you're missing a -dev package
[05:38] <Discipulus> so when the Ubuntu developers release a new version of Ubuntu, how does one upgrade to it?
[05:38] <Jonax> Just ask it, Discipulus.  No need to wait until someone responds :)
[05:38] <reka> samuelk: when does it say that?
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: change your sources.list
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: in a very simple way
[05:38] <samuelk> reka then i use nvidia-glx-config enable
[05:38] <foodcoman> Morning........
[05:38] <Discipulus> what do you change about 'em?
[05:38] <Jonax> What nalioth says :)
[05:38] <samuelk> to turn glx on..
[05:38] <nalioth> Discipulus: when the time comes (as breezy is broken now) you swap 'hoary' for 'breezy'
[05:38] <dbernar1> Discipulus: hoary to breeze...
[05:38] <Discipulus> ah, alright
[05:38] <Discipulus> how long does the dist-upgrade take?
[05:39] <dbernar1> kryl: no, its not simple:)
[05:39] <Discipulus> (I'm on dialup)
[05:39] <nalioth> Discipulus: bout an hour
[05:39] <Jonax> How long's a piece of string? :)
[05:39] <Jonax> It all depends on your download speed
[05:39] <Discipulus> nalioth, I'm on dial-up...
[05:39] <dbernar1> longer then.
[05:39] <samuelk> reka any clue?
[05:39] <nalioth> Discipulus: then maybe a touch longer, heh
[05:39] <Discipulus> how much longer?
[05:39] <reka> samuelk: again, i'm not familiar with the nvidia process.
[05:39] <samuelk> k
[05:39] <foodcoman> Ugh... Dialup weeks eh?
[05:39] <Hieronymus> Discipulus: order CDs then
[05:39] <reka> samuelk: sure you followed the steps? ;)
[05:39] <Frank_dot> Discipulus: you can probably use cds for the upgrade
[05:40] <dbernar1> dunno, too many factors unknown, such as size of files to be \downloaded, and yoiur bandwidth,
[05:40] <kryl> dbernar1, it run well here now
[05:40] <samuelk> yes 100%
[05:40] <dbernar1> kryl: what are you doing?
[05:40] <yccheok> any timidity user here? i am looking for a missing file /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg
[05:41] <yccheok> i install the timidity from ubuntu server. after downloading and install, i realize the configuration file for the timidity is looking for another missing configuration file /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg
[05:41] <kryl> dbernar1, I follow the compilation errors and I installed the appropriate library
[05:41] <dbernar1> kryl: nice.
[05:42] <blackmoon> hi, some MOTU here?
[05:42] <SDFH_Linux> which is better debian or ubuntu? and why?
[05:42] <Hieronymus> blackmoon: #ubuntu-motu
[05:42] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: because.
[05:42] <reka> SDFH_Linux: says he in an ubuntu-biased environment :D
[05:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: I like Ubuntu better, but Debian atleast does good naming
[05:42] <blackmoon> Hieronymus: thank you
[05:42] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: I find that ubuntu is better if you want an out of the box system.
[05:42] <Hieronymus> SDFH_Linux: GNU/Linux instead of Linux
[05:43] <Discipulus> Ubuntu doesn't have a deb for EncFS and Debian does
[05:43] <Discipulus> only thing I don't like about ti
[05:43] <dbernar1> SDFH_Linux: then again, there is the standard sentence that debian is more stable.
[05:43] <Discipulus> it*
[05:43] <elekis> hi
[05:43] <SDFH_Linux> i am looking for the benefits over debian to move to ubuntu?
[05:43] <dbernar1> hi
[05:44] <elekis> I try to install a prog who requiert  'clanCore-0.7'
[05:44] <elekis>  I make apt-get isntall clanlib but I have the same error
[05:44] <reka> SDFH_Linux: quicker releases
[05:44] <Hieronymus> elekis: apt-cache search clan
[05:45] <liable> m4x: no
[05:45] <m4x> liable, what?
[05:45] <elekis> I did that but no clancore
[05:46] <jamey3> To get the XFCE in Ubuntu, do I just need to install the xfce4 package?
[05:46] <Hieronymus> elekis: than there is none
[05:46] <Hieronymus> jamey3: correct
[05:46] <elekis> To compile Flexlay you need a recent ClanLib 0.7, quite often the
[05:46] <elekis> latest not-yet-released development version from the subversion tree,
[05:46] <elekis> available at:
[05:46] <elekis>   * http://www.clanlib.org
[05:46] <jamey3> Hieronymus: thanks
[05:46] <shinu> anyone here know why installing a usb modem will stop my ethernet connection? (even if i dont plug the modem in...)
[05:46] <elekis> I found the error
[05:46] <Suepahfly> SDFH_Linux, i don't know about Sagre but woody kinda sucked for the beginner like me
[05:46] <jamey3> Hieronymus: then I can choose it as a login option when I am logging in, right?
[05:46] <elekis> is clan 0.7 is in the beezy??
[05:46] <liable> m4x: nm... wrong window sorry
[05:46] <jamey3> btw, what do you think of XFCE?
[05:46] <Hieronymus> Hieronymus: yes, click 'session'
[05:47] <jamey3> thanks
[05:47] <Hieronymus> elekis: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <Hieronymus> jamey3: speedy :-)
[05:47] <Groverman> bugzilla is really crappy
[05:47] <Hieronymus> Groverman: file a bug :D
[05:47] <elekis> sniff
[05:47] <jamey3> Hieronymus: cool. Is it what you use?
[05:47] <Groverman> how do i file a bug for bugzilla? it
[05:47] <Groverman> haha
[05:47] <Hieronymus> Groverman: agreed, it uses javascript :s
[05:47] <Hieronymus> jamey3: no, Gnome
[05:47] <jamey3> Hieronymus: oh, why's that?
[05:48] <nalioth> jamey3: if not, come back here for a fix
[05:48] <elekis> can install caln 0.6 and 0.7 together
[05:48] <Hieronymus> jamey3: Because it's default, and because it's nice
[05:48] <butterflycollec> hi
[05:48] <Groverman> Hieronymus, it told me I must enter a component (or guess a component) by pressing "back". There is no such thing to choose and my whole bugreport got deleted!
[05:48] <jamey3> nalioth: thanks in advance :P
[05:48] <butterflycollec> can i install ubuntu from hard drive ?
[05:48] <jamey3> Hieronymus: yeah, it's very nice. I used KDE the other day... ugh.
[05:48] <butterflycollec> is there way to create startup diskette
[05:48] <butterflycollec> or work around
[05:49] <jamey3> ok brb changing to XFCE
[05:49] <Hieronymus> Groverman: awww.. you do need to enter a component, though, and you can
[05:49] <Groverman> Hieronymus, and now i clicked on the "package" url and it totally hang Firefox (my first firefox crash EVER)
[05:49] <dnakata> does anybody else here buy dinner at 7/11?
[05:50] <Groverman> Hieronymus, component = package?
[05:50] <dnakata> or, go shopping there? :/
[05:50] <Hieronymus> Groverman: have you had the 'can't-scroll magic line' yet?
[05:50] <Hieronymus> 'nother bugzilla bug
[05:50] <Hieronymus> or Fx+bugzilla como
[05:50] <Hieronymus> *combo bug
[05:50] <Groverman> Hieronymus, the what magic thingy?
[05:50] <jamey3> Well, XFCE is certainly different! :-)
[05:51] <Hieronymus> Groverman: when you can't scroll anymore in bugzilla
[05:52] <Groverman> Hieronymus, this was my first bugzilla attempt. i am not impressed.
[05:52] <elekis> stupid question but if I use he tarbal can I take later off (when where will have a package  ubuntu)
[05:52] <Groverman> :-)
[05:52] <xfSx> when i try to gksudo something i get the following error:  Unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file. But Why?
[05:52] <ralc> hehe can anyone recommend a mp3 player and a videoplayer?
[05:52] <ralc> not xmms
[05:52] <nalioth> elekis: if you compile from source, i recommend you use "checkinstall" in place of "make install" in the compilation steps
[05:52] <auk> rythmbox, totem
[05:52] <dnakata> ralc: amarok / kaffeine
[05:52] <lotusleaf> vlc
[05:52] <auk> rhythmbox
[05:52] <dnakata> mpg321 / mplayer
[05:53] <xfSx> rhythmbox is buggy for streams, xmms is good for streams
[05:53] <xfSx> vlc is good for video, lots of codecs supported
[05:53] <elekis> check install ?? what exaly is it??
[05:53] <dnakata> artsplay / xine
[05:53] <nalioth> !checkinstall
[05:53] <ubotu> checkinstall is probably a program used in place of "make install". It makes a simple deb for installation
[05:53] <auk> xfSx: you mean gstreamer is buggy for streams
[05:53] <nalioth> !info checkinstall
[05:53] <xfSx> auk, yep
[05:53] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (hoary), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[05:53] <jamey3> XMMS is *so* ugly though!
[05:53] <elekis> so  I make ./congure makje checkinstall
[05:53] <reka> jamey3: which is why you use beep-media-player :)
[05:53] <dnakata> jamey3: well, it's old.
[05:53] <elekis> whitout error
[05:53] <nalioth> elekis: yes
[05:53] <McScruff> can someone help me install vmware please?
[05:54] <dnakata> which is the same program, anyway.
[05:54] <xfSx> xmms looks pretty slick to me
[05:54] <elekis> I ill try
[05:54] <BiSK-8> hello
[05:54] <dnakata> cat /dev/urandom > ~/.xmms/Skins/default.png
[05:54] <nalioth> elekis: checkinstall is in the repos, you can get it with apt-get
[05:54] <xfSx> my ubu is kkkkrazy
[05:54] <dnakata> it's so ... staticy.
[05:54] <BiSK-8> can any1 tell me why the command gcc wont work?
[05:54] <dnakata> BiSK-8: let me ask the magic 8-ball
[05:55] <dnakata> magic 8-ball says: your ethernet cables are backwards
[05:55] <elekis> thanks
[05:55] <adwait> hehe
[05:55] <dnakata> magic 8-ball says: the computer is off
[05:55] <BiSK-8> ...
[05:55] <nalioth> BiSK-8: have you isntalled "build-essential" using apt-get?
[05:55] <BiSK-8> no
[05:55] <jamey3> Oh my goodness. I am in XFCE and I just ran the XSreensaver config tool.  It's very dark, the colours are all gone... help!
[05:55] <BiSK-8> how do i?
[05:56] <nalioth> BiSK-8: that is why gcc doesnt work. it isnt there
[05:56] <Discipulus> BiSK-8, apt-get install build-essential
[05:56] <nalioth> BiSK-8: use synaptic. the package name is "build-essential"
[05:56] <adwait> BiSK-8: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:56] <Groverman> dnakata, you should have a look at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ballard/bofh/bofhserver.pl . just refresh the page for a new excuse
[05:56] <elekis> that's compil
[05:56] <dnakata> Groverman: yeah, it's bookmarked
[05:56] <ralc> hmm amarok is a kde app and i use gnome.. is that a prob?
[05:56] <Groverman> dnakata, haha
[05:56] <dnakata> but my monitor is off, so i can't see it
[05:56] <nalioth> ralc: kde apps will work in gnome
[05:56] <Hieronymus> ralc: nah
[05:57] <dnakata> i am biting the ethernet cable and 'feeling' the conversation, like binary braile.
[05:57] <ralc> thanks :)
[05:57] <adwait> :p
[05:57] <BiSK-8> ok
[05:57] <BiSK-8> thanks
[05:57] <BiSK-8> bye
[05:57] <nalioth> dnakata: why don't you have your eye to the fiber? it's more sanitary
[05:57] <Kyral> Anyone know how to convert the xmms-flac plugin to work with Beep?
[05:57] <dnakata> so, can we fire the kvirc maintainer
[05:59] <ecsta> hi
[05:59] <xfSx> why might i not have permissions to delete stuff in my home folder? "/home/mrhodes...crashban.etm" cannot be deleted because you do not have permissions to modify its parent folder.
[05:59] <reka> Kyral: check out http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/Plugin_list (scroll down to the FLAC input plugin) as a starter
[06:00] <elekis> for checkisntall must I use taht with some parameter or it's used alone
[06:00] <reka> xfSx: what's the file's parent folder?
[06:00] <xfSx> Jul  8 17:00:01 localhost gconfd (mrhodes-9129): Failed to log addition of listener unknown (Failed: Failed to log addition of listener to gconfd logfile; won't be able to re-add the listener if gconfd exits or shuts down (No space left on device));will not be able to restore this listener on gconfd restart, resulting in unreliable notification of configuration changes.
[06:00] <xfSx> i have a feeling no space on device is causing all these anomalies ;P
[06:01] <xfSx> reka and yes that folder was owned by root, s'all good sorry for the spam
[06:02] <siorfin> i had a file i couldnt delete the other day
[06:02] <siorfin> it was in my home folder but i used sudo to install it thus it ws owned by root and i coudlnt touch it
[06:03] <siorfin> if you have files you need to delete just type sudo nautilus --browser in commandline to bring up filebrowser with root privileges
[06:03] <siorfin> change permisions or owner if you like also
[06:03] <six2one> breezy runs like a champ in qemu