[05:56] <dkessel> DanChapman: good morning. I want to help with getting the jenkins server for flavors up. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.
[05:58] <knome> ah, so that's the latest news?
[05:58] <knome> eg. not trying to set up $something_else for flavors?
[05:58] <knome> or is jenkins an app name?:)
[05:59] <dkessel> jenkins is a build server software
[05:59] <dkessel> morning knome :)
[05:59] <dkessel> yup, that seems to be the state of things
[06:00] <knome> mmhm
[14:12] <kenvandine> alesage, not sure that's the same bug
[14:12] <kenvandine> alesage, i'm seeing it on mako
[14:12] <kenvandine> alesage, oSoMoN saw the same problem yesterday on krillin with vivid
[14:12] <kenvandine> alesage, for the webbrowser-app
[14:20] <oSoMoN> alesage, and for the record it’s not the first time I’m seeing this issue, although I don’t remember when I saw it first
[14:22] <kenvandine> hey jgdx
[14:22] <jgdx> hey kenvandine
[14:22] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, what is bugging me is that it gets the system in a bad state
[14:22] <kenvandine> i can't even run a single test that uses keyboard.write after it fails the first time
[14:22] <kenvandine> but manual use of the osk works fine
[14:22] <kenvandine> but nothing with autopilot that uses the osk works
[14:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, you're in that state now?
[14:23] <kenvandine> yes
[14:23] <oSoMoN> definitely sounds like an issue in autopilot itself
[14:23] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[14:23] <kenvandine> since it persists across autopilot runs
[14:23] <kenvandine> until reboot
[14:23] <oSoMoN> do we have any autopilot expert around that could help investigate the issue?
[14:24] <kenvandine> alesage, suggested talking to veebers, but he's not around right now
[14:25] <kenvandine> oh wait... somethings crashing
[14:25] <kenvandine> but not leaving .crash files
[14:27] <kenvandine> apport-noui-_var_crash__usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_ubuntu-app-launch_socket-demangler.32011.crash.log
[14:27] <kenvandine> maybe it is mir related
[14:27] <kenvandine> but the socket demangler stuff hasn't landed in vivid overlay... so maybe not
[14:30]  * kenvandine cleans up logs and stuff and tries again
[14:32] <jgdx> would help to know what's between autopilot and the osk :)
[14:33] <alesage> kenvandine, oSoMoN I'm listening--if it's a mir thing racarr was helping before
[15:00] <kenvandine> there was a unity8 crash during the test run, crash report at https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/ef843348-19b5-11e5-be18-fa163e22e467
[15:27] <kenvandine> bingo... it has something to do with unity8
[15:28] <kenvandine> after it fails, if i restart unity8 without rebooting, i can run tests that use the osk and they pass
[15:28] <kenvandine> but if i run the full suite, it eventually blows up again
[15:39]  * kenvandine wonders why there is no "create bug" link on the oops page
[15:40] <jgdx> kenvandine, nice find!!
[15:40] <kenvandine> i just nailed down what needs a restart to get it into a working state again... not sure that's the actual cause...
[15:40] <kenvandine> but should be a good indicator
[15:41] <kenvandine> on the crashes page there is a create link to create a bug
[15:41] <kenvandine> but not on the oops pages
[15:41] <kenvandine> wtf!
[16:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, is it this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1467983
[16:31] <jgdx> nah
[16:31] <jgdx> did you file it?
[17:32] <kenvandine> jgdx, no... i tried to file it with ubuntu-bug, but it complains about missing fields in the crash file
[17:45] <kenvandine> jgdx, alesage: bug 1468029
[17:45] <alesage> kenvandine, thanks for that
[17:45] <kenvandine> alesage, i'm not really convinced it's unity8 at fault, but it is clearly part of it
[17:46] <alesage> kenvandine, ok interesting
[17:46] <kenvandine> and it affects more than just settings, it's been reported with webbrowser-app on vivid as well
[17:47] <kenvandine> unity8 has had landings for both wily and vivid overlay
[20:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks!!


 @Leokolb *PLEASE* use ubuntu-bug to file bug reports, especially those against ubiquity.
 will do - sorry but I could not run ubuntu-bug as the system totally crashed (re @Eickmeyer: @Leokolb *PLEASE* use ubuntu-bug to file bug reports, especially those against ubiquity.)
 Well, feel free to boot back into the live system and do an apport-collect on it now. It gives some vital information about the ISO and more. (re @Leokolb: will do - sorry but I could not run ubuntu-bug as the system totally crashed)
 actually in progress .. sorry again (re @Eickmeyer: Well, feel free to boot back into the live system and do an apport-collect on it now. It gives some vital information about the ISO and more.)
 No worries. ubuntu-bug just pretty much automates the process and puts relevant information in the description as well as gathers the relevant logs.
 @Eickmeyer huff,,not a good day - sent apport collect from incorrect media - can you delete from bug report so i can resend correct?
 I can't delete the bug report, no, but I can invalidate it for you if you'd like.
 Yes I think we should do that and i resend from beginning..sorry and thanks patience
 No worries.
 So, try to see if you can reproduce the issue first.
 One-offs do happen. Had that happen to me with yesterday's Ubuntu Studio media.
 I refiled and am running a test on 3rd box right now - (re @Eickmeyer: One-offs do happen. Had that happen to me with yesterday's Ubuntu Studio media.)
 👍
 I had a crash with Studio earlier today and on 19.03 - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/1965658
 Yeah, that's what I ran into, but I restarted and it went away. Weird.
 yup - will look at it again in the am (next iso) (re @Eickmeyer: Yeah, that's what I ran into, but I restarted and it went away. Weird.)


[12:30] <lifeless> doko: how different
[12:30] <lifeless> doko: I thought it was an import of the external elementree,
[12:30] <lifeless> doko: and that comes as pure python, with an optional extension module. We need the extension module for speed.
[12:31] <doko> lifeless: no, the extension module is included
[12:33] <lifeless> doko: it sounds fine. best way to check is to run the benchmark tests ;)
[12:34] <doko> lifeless: debootstrap & schroot are your friends ;-)
[12:38] <lifeless> doko: erm, you asked the question ;)
[12:38] <lifeless> doko: I do know that it runs on 2.5
[03:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:09] <mpt> ooh, hugs
[04:27] <mchua> Howdy. Is there an admin in the house? I need a quick bit of help.
[04:49] <mchua> (Or does anyone know how I can find an admin? I didn't want to spam the launchpad-users list with one question.)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> mchua: more successful if you ask your question
[04:50] <mchua> Sorry about that, Hobbsee. I've got an old Launchpad account, but can't find the email I used to register it.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> mchua: what was the LP account?
[04:50] <mchua> The page for the account is https://launchpad.net/~mallory-chua, so it exists somewhere.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> mchua<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:51] <Hobbsee> is the most likely one
[04:51] <mchua> Thanks, Hobbsee! I'll try that.
[04:51] <spiv> Email addresses in launchpad are generally visible to logged in users (unless the user chose to hide them)
[04:52] <spiv> So you could have registered a new account, and then once you could see the address, have merged them.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> spiv: good point
[04:54] <mchua> That might be faster; I deleted that gmail account (was recreating it).
[04:55] <spiv> mchua: merging an account requires that you have access to the email address for the account you want to merge.
[04:56] <spiv> (same restriction as for claiming it/recovering a password, basically0
[04:56] <spiv> )
[04:56] <mchua> Just discovered that on the "merge" page. Ah well. I'll try recreating the gmail account temporarily.
[04:56] <spiv> Sorry if I wasn't clear!
[04:57] <spiv> Otherwise, you really do need an admin :)
[04:58] <mchua> Thanks for the help. I'm one of those bewildered newbies (created a launchpad account when I first installed Ubuntu, and now months later I want to start contributing and realize I've lost that email), so the advice is quite appreciated.
[05:00] <mchua> Gah; gmail claims it has no account of that name, but won't let me create it.
[05:01] <mchua> Sounds like I do need an admin.
[05:01] <mchua> How can I find one?
[05:03] <spiv> I'd create a seperate launchpad account (if you haven't already), and file a support request at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket.
[05:04] <spiv> There's often one on this channel, but not usually one weekends.
[05:05] <mchua> Thanks, spiv. Will do.
[05:05] <mchua> I appreciate you putting up with the n00b questions. :)
[05:06] <spiv> Glad I could help :)
[05:22] <mchua> night all. thanks for the help, spiv!
[12:15] <mdke> spiv: did you receive my email? Any thoughts?
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79072 in launchpad "Mail from answers are all the same" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79072
[05:32] <ryanakca> can a team only get bugmail with a certain tag?
[05:32] <mdke> ryanakca: don't think so
[05:35] <ryanakca> mdke: kk, thanks
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79100 in launchpad "reporting bugs for upstream products" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79100
[06:26] <LarstiQ> bug 61429
[06:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61429 in malone "person buglistings (i.e. +subscribedbugs) should show all bugs explicitely and implicitely (i.e. via team, dupes, etc)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61429
[06:34] <tsmithe> hi all - i'd like to ask about deleting bazaar branches, and also deleting "product series" from launchpad
[06:45] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: not possible, yet.
[06:45] <tsmithe> hmm
[06:45] <tsmithe> ok
[06:45] <tsmithe> neither of the two?
[06:45] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: Though if you have a really good reason, filing a support ticket mentioning that might help to get admins dirty with SQL.
[06:46] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: In general, deleting anything is not possible.
[06:46] <tsmithe> that's curious... why so?
[06:46] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: you can rename and give different content
[06:46] <tsmithe> https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio <= we don't want it set up as it is
[06:46] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: I suppose not to let any history get lost, but you'd better ask on of the launchpad devs
[06:47] <tsmithe> hmm ok
[06:47] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: how would you like it changed?
[06:48] <tsmithe> we don't want the series shown
[06:50] <LarstiQ> looking at the alsa series, you're using it quite differenlty from what series are intended for
[06:50] <tsmithe> yes
[06:50] <tsmithe> and we have decided to go standard
[06:51] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+tickets, if you explain your situation fully there, I think you have a reasonable chance
[06:52] <tsmithe> cool
[06:53] <mdke> tsmithe: you can't have a product series deleted
[06:54] <mdke> sadly
[06:54] <tsmithe> i find that a bit silly (i don't particularly care about the technical database reasons as to why it's hard, unfortunately)
[06:54] <tsmithe> i see there are other tickets requesting the same
[06:54] <mdke> yes, and a bug
[06:54] <tsmithe> indeed
[06:54] <tsmithe> 2461, if i recall...
[06:55] <tsmithe> no
[06:55] <mdke> I don't really understand how you would not care about the technical reasons as to why it's hard
[06:55] <mdke> those are the reasons preventing you from doing it, so you should care about them
[06:55] <tsmithe> ok - in that sense
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79107 in Ubuntu "feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-2 cannot install kernel from net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79107
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79109 in Ubuntu "feisty-alternate-i386 for herd-2 cannot install kernel from CDROM" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79109
[06:55] <mdke> if what you're saying is "Launchpad should be perfect", it isn't, and you don't *have* to use it
[06:55] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: I don't think the reasons are technical at all
[06:56] <mdke> LarstiQ: yeah, they are, it seems
[06:56] <tsmithe> but not in the sense that i would be able to help with them (should i have the change, not saying i would)
[06:56] <tsmithe> bug 2141
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[06:56] <LarstiQ> mdke: I always thought it was more a philosophical problem
[06:56] <mdke> LarstiQ: well, the bug is confirmed, so there isn't an objection to doing it - it's pretty clear that people should be able to delete their own product series
[06:57] <LarstiQ> that's not clear to me at least
[06:57] <mdke> when you object to fixing a bug, you generally mark it as closed
[06:58] <LarstiQ> mdke: heh, not where I come from :)
[06:58] <LarstiQ> you tag it wont-fix
[06:59] <LarstiQ> anyway, it's clear to me that mistaken series should not be present, but that is different than allowing people to delete all of their series
[07:00] <mdke> Brad emailed me about my ticket and said that it wouldn't be possible until that bug was fixed
[07:00] <mdke> I deduced that they were intending to fix it
[07:01] <LarstiQ> quite possible
[07:07] <tsmithe> thanks LarstiQ, mdke
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79115 in launchpad ""Your bug may have already been reported" is inconcise " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79115
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79118 in rosetta "Problems with "Need Review" and "Save & Continue"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79118
[09:18] <baikonur> hi
[09:44] <beuno> anyone around that can answer a question on launchpad?
[09:51] <mdke> beuno: it's likely to depend on the question... most developers aren't around but if it's an easy question, you may be lucky