[17:41] <rockets> because its not like they havent done similar things in the past, e.g using gaim betas as the final version, or gimp release candidates as the final version for a release
[17:41] <Kuni> rockets: I hope so, I'm loving beta 3
[17:41] <rockets> Kuni, i love it too. but it breaks some things
[17:41] <wastrel> beta 3 is iffy
[17:41] <wastrel> yeah
[17:41] <rockets> firefox 3 is fantastic but its not ready yet
[17:42] <wastrel> also, the history search is breaky
[17:42] <Kuni> good point
[17:42] <rockets> e.g. my google reader broke randomly the other day
[17:42] <Kuni> well, I'm sure they'll decide by release candidate whether to include it or not.
[17:42] <rockets> also, in gmail, the contacts interface on the left side of the inbox looks funky
[17:42] <Kuni> personally, I hope firefox is ready by then.
[17:42] <rockets> Kuni, yeah
[17:42] <rockets> also windows live mail doesnt work in firefox beta 3, only the old interface works
[17:43] <Kuni> huh
[17:43] <rockets> windows live mail = new hotmail
[17:43] <Kuni> ms exchange works fine
[17:43] <rockets> dude
[17:43] <rockets> who said anything about exchange
[17:43] <rockets> windows live mail is microsofts web-based mail
[17:43] <Kuni> lol my school uses it.
[17:43] <Kuni> so is exchange
[17:43] <rockets> no it isnt . . .
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> exchange is pretty good if you use outlook
[17:43] <rockets> exchange is their mail server which happens to have a web interface
[17:44] <rockets> im talking about web-based mail ANYBODY can use
[17:44] <rockets> like gmail or yahoo
[17:44] <h3sp4wn_> (for booking rooms and stuff like that)
[17:44] <Kuni> sorry
[17:44] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, exchange has great functionality, but poor reliability
[17:44] <h3sp4wn_> and seeing other peoples schedules
[17:44] <Kuni> yeah, my school does a poor job naming things
[17:44] <Kuni> I meant the outlook web access light client.
[17:44] <rockets> Kuni, i actually like the "heavy" client much better
[17:45] <rockets> the outlook light client looks like its from 1995
[17:45] <h3sp4wn_> rockets: If its managed properly it can be reliable dunno what that entails though never worked in that area
[17:45] <Kuni> well, the heavy client didn't work in firefox 2 (unless with tweaking)
[17:45] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, i have. and yes, if its managed properly, do you know HOW MUCH WORK that is?
[17:45] <Kuni> lol
[17:45] <rockets> ugh
[17:46] <wastrel> we need shared calendaring at my job
[17:46] <rockets> hardy alpha 5 comes with transmission
[17:46] <h3sp4wn_> rockets: I can guess probably less than me managing smtp and e-mail for a few million users
[17:46] <rockets> i wish it came with deluge, but i guess transmission is better for regular people
[17:46] <wastrel> no decent solution for oss.
[17:46] <Kuni> rockets: it's a far sight better than the gnome bittorrent client in gutsy.
[17:46] <h3sp4wn_> s/e-mail/pop
[17:46] <rockets> Kuni, yeah, well it allows multiple downloads. but i like deluge a lot more.
[17:47] <Kuni> rockets: so sudo apt-get install deluge
[17:47] <rockets> but ill agree that transmission is better for non-geeks then deluge is
[17:47] <Kuni> :)
[17:47] <Kuni> very true.
[17:47] <rockets> Kuni, i download it from their site actually :-P
[17:47] <rockets> they provide updated ubuntu packages
[17:47] <Kuni> cool
[17:47] <Kuni> well, either way then
[17:48] <rockets> honestly the one thing i cant wait to test
[17:48] <rockets> is b43
[17:48] <h3sp4wn_> Don't hold your breath
[17:48] <rockets> i have a broadcom wifi card, and ive used both ndiswrapper and bcm43xx
[17:48] <rockets> and both are total shit for broadcom
[17:48] <Kuni> I was happy to see the inclusion of transmission, since if you -want- to get technical with it, you can, but on the surface it's nice and simple for those who don't understand the torrent system.
[17:49] <rockets> Kuni, as I said I agree that transmission is the best choice, considering ubuntu's goal
[17:49] <h3sp4wn_> What is wrong with azureus
[17:49] <Kuni> rockets: I know, I'm not trying to disagree with you.
[17:49] <rockets> i just like deluge because its µTorrent-like
[17:49] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, its a peice of shit thats what.
[17:49] <h3sp4wn_> (I know it hammers system resources)
[17:49] <jussi01> !ohmy | rockets
[17:49] <ubotu> rockets: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:49] <rockets> sorry
[17:49] <h3sp4wn_> But it just works
[17:49] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: don't get me started. it's a memory hog, it's slow
[17:49] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, so does deluge. and it doesnt hammer system resources
[17:50] <rockets> so does transmission, and it doesnt hammer system resources
[17:50] <Kuni> so does transmission, ktorrent, deluge...but none of those are java-based and heavy.
[17:50] <h3sp4wn_> even with dht and all that jazz I don't use torrents ever really
[17:50] <h3sp4wn_> or very rarely and when I do I just use my etch xen vps
[17:50] <mphill> is java working in hardy yet?
[17:50] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, well sir, obviously you are not a pirate :-P
[17:50] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: I will admit, the new azureus has a very nice looking interface. ;)
[17:51] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: I used it for quite a while on windows, until I discovered uTorrent.
[17:51] <rockets> Kuni, h3sp4wn_ i did too. azureus actually was the most popular client for a long time
[17:51] <mhollisjr> what's the name of the automatic package updater?
[17:51] <rockets> mhollisjr, zomgnewpackages!
[17:51] <mhollisjr> ><
[17:51] <rockets> lol
[17:52] <rockets> mhollisjr, update-manager
[17:52] <Kuni> mhollisjr: update-manager ?
[17:52] <mhollisjr> nevermind it kicked in on it's own
[17:52] <mhollisjr> ty
[17:52] <Kuni> lol
[17:52] <rockets> mhollisjr, you can aalways go to system -> i forget -> updates
[17:52] <rockets> or update manager
[17:53] <rockets> you guys know the bit-torrent protocol is being closed
[17:53] <Kuni> system > administration > update manager
[17:53] <mhollisjr> how do you close a protocol? >< expecially one like bit torrent
[17:53] <rockets> theyre going to start selling licenses to work with the new protocol
[17:53] <rockets> mhollisjr, updates to it will not be made public
[17:53] <Kuni> when? cause I know tpb is working on a new protocol, which would be backward compatible
[17:53] <rockets> the original protocol, yeah thats open
[17:53] <rockets> Kuni, i heard that too
[17:53] <h3sp4wn_> It doesn't matter though - Think of what napster once was and what it is now
[17:54] <rockets> huh?
[17:54] <rockets> now napster is a music-buying service
[17:54] <rockets> i dont get your point
[17:54] <mhollisjr> you can't kill p2p
[17:54] <rockets> ah
[17:54] <mhollisjr> once it's there, its there
[17:54] <rockets> indeed.
[17:54] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: difference is that torrenting isn't centralized. You can't just shut it down like napster.
[17:54] <rockets> oh no no
[17:54] <rockets> i wasnt saying i thought it was going to stop torrenting
[17:54] <rockets> i just think its lame that they wont openly release the new features of the protocol
[17:55] <Kuni> oh.
[17:55] <rockets> if you ask me
[17:55] <rockets> the torrent protocol is pretty damn good already
[17:55] <Kuni> well, the company BitTorrent has been so crappy over the past several years that I don't really care.
[17:55] <h3sp4wn_> rockets: It doesn't matter what it is now (thats the only point)
[17:55] <rockets> even if the torrent protocol was never updated again, i think itd work pretty damn well
[17:55] <rockets> until we all switch over to ipv6
[17:55] <h3sp4wn_> No one will care about the new features etc
[17:56] <h3sp4wn_> Do you think that will ever happen ? I used ipv6 for a while in 2001
[17:56] <Kuni> rockets: true, but it's slow, pretty insecure, and could work a lot better. That's where tpb's new ".p2p" system will come into play. :)
[17:56] <mhollisjr> hmm ok that's odd
[17:56] <rockets> Kuni, its damn fast for me
[17:57] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, i think itll happen wwhen we actually run out of public IPs
[17:57] <rockets> we wont have a choice
[17:57] <mhollisjr> fusion-icon crashes X, so does compiz, worked yesterday though
[17:57] <h3sp4wn_> rockets: There could be an alternative that hasn't been considered yet - I like ipv6 I don't think alot of people do though
[17:58] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A Session in #ubuntu-classroom in a bit
[17:58] <h3sp4wn_> The mobile ipv6 is particularly interesting
[17:58] <rockets> h3sp4wn_, i hate the way the IP addresses are super complex
[17:58] <Kuni> rockets: well, if I'm getting my files from a good tracker or a really well-seeded torrent it's fast. Heck, I was averaging 24 megabits per second on a torrent last night (from supertorrents.org). But on less known or less seeded trackers and torrents, it can really be slow.
[17:58] <mhollisjr> MOTU? sorry I'm not familiar with that one
[17:58] <rockets> mhollisjr, MASTERS OF THE MO-FING UNIVERSE
[17:58] <rockets> and im not joking
[17:58] <mhollisjr> ahh ><
[17:58] <rockets> thats what it means.
[18:01] <Kuni> and I'm not even joking about that 24 megabits thing. My schools internet is friggin amazing.
[18:02] <rockets> Kuni, i was at a client the other day who had OOL-Boost
[18:02] <rockets> 50 megabits down
[18:02] <mhollisjr> 0.9.56 wine is published for gutsy, how compatible would that be with hardy?
[18:03] <rockets> mhollisjr, it never hurts to try something. oh wait . . .
[18:03] <mhollisjr> well that's why I asked ^^
[18:04] <Kuni> rockets: nice. my school's got a 10 gigabit down speed overall, actually, but since there're so many people on the network, we rarely clock over 25 mbps down
[18:04] <ffm> Kuni: I get 15mbits down at my residential.
[18:04] <Kuni> ffm: niiiiiiice
[18:04] <rockets> Kuni, damn you and your OC- connection
[18:05] <rockets> ffm, 50 megabits is on a residential cable modem actually, they just happend to use it for their business
[18:05] <Kuni> ffm: at home I'm lucky to get 768kbps down.
[18:05] <ffm> Kuni: FIOS.
[18:05] <rockets> Kuni, do you live in australia?
[18:05] <ffm> rockets: omg.
[18:05] <Kuni> rockets: nope. USA
[18:05] <rockets> ffm, optimum online boost man. its crazy
[18:05] <rockets> Kuni, where? rural area?
[18:05] <ffm> rockets: cable is a cabal in the USA.
[18:06] <Kuni> well
[18:06] <Kuni> no
[18:06] <Kuni> my home is actually in a mid-sized city (Grand Rapids, MI), but we've got 1 megabit dsl
[18:06] <rockets> Kuni, oh. so upgrade your dsl!
[18:07] <Kuni> rockets: $$$
[18:07] <rockets> $$$ . . .
[18:07] <rockets> verizon dsl is $30/m for 3 megabits
[18:07] <rockets> i have that at home and im plenty happy with it
[18:08] <Kuni> yeah, the one we have is like $12/m for the first three months and then like $20/m after that
[18:08] <Kuni> We used to use cable, which I loved.
[18:08] <rockets> Kuni, so . . .
[18:09] <Kuni> rockets: cable was like $40/m
[18:10] <Kuni> my family's living off of pastor-married-to-preschool-director wages. Not exactly a lot.
[18:11] <rockets> Kuni, heh
[18:11] <rockets> wait
[18:11] <rockets> pastor
[18:11] <rockets> cant you just take advantage of your church?
[18:11] <rockets> :-P
[18:11]  * ffm is eyeing the 25up/down plan of verizon, just 65USD/month.
[18:12] <ffm> s/65/78/
[18:12] <rockets> ffm, I wish. there's no fios in NYC yet, except for staten island
[18:12] <Kuni> rockets: "The Lord declares that your pastor needs better internet speed!" doesn't usually go over very well.
[18:13] <rockets> Kuni, who said anything about doing it honestly
[18:13] <Kuni> lol
[18:13] <Kuni> that's how we roll, or at least try to.
[18:13] <Kuni> :)
[18:14] <Kuni> Now televangelism, THAT's where the money's at.
[18:14] <rockets> do you feel sad?
[18:14] <rockets> do you feel lonely?
[18:14] <Kuni> "The Lord will heal your pain...as soon as that check clears!"
[18:14] <Kuni> xD
[18:14] <rockets> do you feel compelled to get up off that couch, GO TO THE PHONE and send me ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS?
[18:15] <Kuni> rofl
[18:15] <ethana2> wow
[18:15] <ethana2> Dude, just give your money to somebody else then ;)  Like organizations that help poor people and jazz
[18:16] <ethana2> It's not like Microsoft or the IRS
[18:16] <Kuni> ethana2: I don't give money to televangelists. I do give money to my church, not only because it helps pay the salary of those who dedicate their lives to it, but also pays for our alms for the poor fund and things like that.
[18:16] <rockets> ugh
[18:16] <ethana2> ok
[18:16] <rockets> dont get me started on church.
[18:16] <Kuni> lol
[18:16] <ethana2> ^_^
[18:16] <Kuni> ok, I won't
[18:16] <rockets> "Dedicate their lives to it" HAH
[18:16] <rockets> and thats all im saying.
[18:16] <ethana2> ok
[18:17] <ethana2> ooh
[18:17] <ethana2> new ati drivers
[18:17] <Kuni> rockets: in every field there is hypocrasy. My dad certainly isn't a hypocrit, that's all I'm saying.
[18:17] <ethana2> that is true..
[18:17] <rockets> Kuni, I don't want to get into this with you
[18:17]  * ethana2 checks Screens and Graphics
[18:17] <Kuni> lol, good.
[18:18] <rockets> whoa
[18:18] <rockets> check this out
[18:18] <rockets> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/186887main_s118e07920_hires.jpg
[18:18] <rockets> its a hurricaine
[18:18] <rockets> viewed from space
[18:18] <ffm> ethana2: does it work yet?
[18:18] <ethana2> fail.
[18:18] <Kuni> lol
[18:18] <ethana2> but from now until release
[18:19] <ethana2> things will be unbreaking left and right
[18:19] <Kuni> ethana2: I noticed that earlier today. I was like, "I have an nVidia card. Why am I downloading these drivers?"
[18:19] <ethana2> also, art should start coming in
[18:19] <ethana2> oh, lol
[18:19] <paulr> why do I think that you aren't supposed to use ext3 for /boot?
[18:19] <ethana2> overkill?
[18:19] <ethana2> you could use FAT16 for /boot, couldn't you?
[18:20] <Kuni> ethana2: about unbreaking, I don't know if anyone else had this problem, but before updating alpha 4, the startup sound kept playing at random times. It was really funny.
[18:20] <paulr> you could probably use anything :)
[18:20] <ethana2> that does sound funny
[18:20] <paulr> i'm just thinking there was a logical reason to avoid ext3 and use ext2 for /boot , and if my memory is right, I can't remember why ;P
[18:20] <ethana2> ohhhh..  interesting
[18:21] <ethana2> i don't encrypt.. so i just have a /
[18:21] <Kuni> paulr: I can't see why. ext3 is just ext2 + journaling...
[18:21] <ethana2> ..and swap, but i never use it
[18:23] <paulr> I think the point *might* have been either a) stability or b) speed - i.e. ext2+journal might take 2ms longer to read then ext2 or something ;/
[18:23] <Kuni> lol probably
[18:23] <ethana2> that is possible
[18:24] <paulr> bit like setting is it.. noatime?
[18:24] <ethana2> plus that's just not an FS you need journaling with, right?
[18:24] <paulr> hmm, so server install you can set flags on filesystems for quota's etc, dekstop install you can't? :)
[18:25] <Kuni> oh
[18:25] <Kuni> I figured they would implement that in both
[18:25] <Kuni> That's how the NT series does it, and I always thought they actually did that really well.
[18:26] <ethana2> ok, 9
[18:26] <paulr> NT series?
[18:26]  * ethana2 adds that to the list of things microsoft did right
[18:26] <Kuni> Windows NT series, i.e. NT 3.5, 4, Win2k, XP, Server 2k3, and Vista
[18:27] <paulr> you can set quotas etc on both server + desktop
[18:27] <Kuni> yup.
[18:27] <ethana2> can you set quotas on viruses?
[18:27] <Kuni> Dunno about the "home" versions
[18:27] <ethana2> ^_^
[18:27] <paulr> ahh, think I misread what you meant first time
[18:27] <paulr> haha
[18:28] <paulr> 250M boot, 19GB / and 700mb swap should do
[18:28] <Kuni> ethana2: sometimes, but that's only if they follow the "virus" group policy. Microsoft just doesn't seem to understand why they don't... ;)
[18:28] <ethana2> lol
[18:28] <paulr> 750MB should be enough swap for a box with 512MB ram?
[18:28] <ethana2> i never use anywhere near that much
[18:29] <paulr> this is a how to move from gentoo to ubuntu : Ans: try an alpha ;p
[18:29] <Kuni> I'd assume so, paulr.
[18:29] <ethana2> 'course, i have 768MB of RAM..
[18:29] <flipstar> paulr: debends on what you do..might not enough..
[18:29] <Kuni> I've got 2gigs, so I don't even bother with swap.
[18:29] <ethana2> i don't know, i always just throw 2 GB at it
[18:29] <ethana2> but hibernate?
[18:29] <paulr> flipstar: probably just type gcc lots :p
[18:30] <flipstar> kay then its enough ;)
[18:30] <Kuni> ethana2: meh. I don't bother. I'm so used to windows that the boot speeds of ubuntu seem like it's coming out of hibernate anyway.
[18:30] <Kuni> :)
[18:30] <paulr> reason for moving from gentoo: postgres 8.3 isn't in there main tree yet
[18:31] <ffm> !universe
[18:31] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[18:31] <ffm> Whenever I start compiz, my entire background (everything under the mouse layer) is gon.
[18:32] <flipstar> ffm: --> #compiz-fusion
[18:33] <ffm> flipstar: this has to do with my graphics driver.
[18:33] <ffm> flipstar: and this is the hardy package.
[18:35] <ethana2> WINE is now at 0.9.56
[18:35] <ethana2> 44 releases yet
[18:36] <ethana2> they can only drag this out for almost two years now before they hit 1.0.. should be enough time, right?  ^_^
[18:37] <ethana2> i'm going to see if the latest ubuntu dell is available in the US yet..
[18:37] <ethana2> yes.
[18:38] <void^> why not have 0.9.100, 0.9.101,..? ;)
[18:38] <Kuni> void^: cause then they would've had to have 0.9.056 and such
[18:39] <ethana2> goodness gracious, don't give them ideas like that
[18:39] <Kuni> but what they can do is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:39] <void^> they don't have 2.6.09 with kernels
[18:40] <reya276> ok re-installed Hardy again, can anyone walk tell me how I can make my resolution bigger than 800x600 as I don't have any other choices in the screen resolution app
[18:41] <Kuni> system > administration > screens and graphics
[18:41] <Kuni> you have the drivers for your card installed, right?
[18:42] <ethana2> Kuni, did you just point someone to Screens and Graphics on Hardy?
[18:42] <ethana2> I think you did.
[18:43] <ethana2> What am I missing?
[18:43] <Kuni> ethana2: what?
[18:43] <Kuni> it's there...
[18:43] <paulr> hmm, mountpoint dropdown list is empty ;/
[18:44] <Kuni> hah
[18:44] <paulr> (only when creating a new partition)
[18:44] <Kuni> it's also screwy.
[18:44] <ethana2> many things are..  but we are on the road to rock solid stability
[18:45] <ethana2> which will be very nice
[18:45] <Kuni> so what's -wrong- with screens and graphics?
[18:45] <Kuni> or do we not know
[18:45] <paulr> mm / needs to be at least 19GB?
[18:45] <Kuni> paulr: what? I certainly hope not. I've got hardy running on a 5gb partition.
[18:46] <ethana2> well kuni
[18:46] <ethana2> wait, you mean cause, not symptoms?
[18:46] <ethana2> it displays nothing when run from gnome
[18:46] <Kuni> right.
[18:46] <paulr> "Some of the partition you created are too small. Please make the following partitions at least this large ( in bytes): /<PHONE_NUMBER>
[18:46]  * paulr hits continue and
[18:46] <nemo> paulr: are you resizing an XP partition?
[18:46] <nemo> or Vista
[18:47] <paulr> no, creating a new partiion on a 20gb hdd
[18:47] <Kuni> paulr: weird. it works fine for me.
[18:47] <nemo> well. that's odd
[18:47] <paulr> tbh, i've been fiddling so probably confused it
[18:47] <nemo> well. I suppose ubuntu has gotten larger
[18:47] <nemo> 1.8GiB isn't that small anymore
[18:48] <nemo> perhaps you should be using xubuntu
[18:48] <paulr> 18
[18:48] <paulr> not 1.8
[18:48] <nemo> um
[18:48] <nemo><PHONE_NUMBER>
[18:48] <nemo> that's 1.8GiB
[18:48] <martalli> fluxbuntu is better for a small distro
[18:48] <paulr> hmm
[18:48] <paulr> i've confused it :)
[18:48] <Kuni> nemo is right!
[18:48] <nemo> paulr: I think you confused yourself :-p
[18:48] <paulr> as the same screen that says  the min partition size also said 18885MB :)
[18:49]  * Kuni does a zoidberg impression
[18:49] <paulr> and i'm pretty sure 18,885MB is 118gb ;p
[18:49] <paulr> -1
[18:49] <nemo> heh
[18:49] <nemo> 117? ;0
[18:49] <Kuni> yeah, I was gonna say
[18:49] <nemo> ;)
[18:49] <Kuni> lol The Master Partition.
[18:49] <nemo> -100
[18:50] <nemo> are you sure it isn't saying the min partition size is 1885MiB ?  :)
[18:50] <paulr> and now it's failed to create an ext3 paritition time to try again :)
[18:50] <Kuni> gosh...
[18:50] <reya276> Kuni: no I do not right now it's using the Vesa driver
[18:50] <mhollisjr> I just installed compiz on kubuntu hardy, and it seems attempting to switch to compiz causes X to restart, the hardware is very capable of running compiz, how would I diagnose this? or where would I go to find out? I already have the same question asked in #compiz-fusion
[18:51] <Kuni> reya276: oh. hm. Open a terminal and do sudo apt-get install hwinfo, then do sudo hwinfo --framebuffer
[18:51] <flipstar> mhollisjr: glx is working ?
[18:51] <Kuni> flipstar: you killed him! ;)
[18:52] <flipstar> damn
[18:52] <Kuni> lol
[18:52] <mhollisjr> -cough- apparently not >< glxinfo |grep direct = restart X
[18:52] <flipstar> then its definitive an driver issue
[18:53] <mhollisjr> it's odd though it broke from a reboot >< best way to fix that would be probably to reinstall the driver correct?
[18:53] <mhollisjr> alrigh
[18:53] <mhollisjr> t
[18:53] <flipstar> you could at least try that
[18:53] <mhollisjr> -nod- alright brb then
[18:55] <Kuni> so do we have a #ubuntu+2 for intrepid ibex?
[18:55] <stdin> no
[18:55] <reya276> Kuni: I did that now what?
[18:56] <Kuni> reya276: can you put the output from sudo hwinfo --framebuffer into the pastebin (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/)
[18:59] <Kuni> did the driver reinstall work?
[18:59] <paulr> does the installer create a debug log somewhere?
[19:00] <s0u][ight> h igys
[19:00] <mhollisjr> ok that works I've got my eyecandy goodness again thank you
[19:00] <Kuni> mhollisjr: in kubuntu, how does one go about making the middle mouse activate desktop cube instead of bringing up a context menu?
[19:01] <Kuni> (something I've always wondered)
[19:01] <mhollisjr> uh I forget it's probably in ccsm under bindings for rotate cube
[19:01] <h3sp4wn_> For small I like to just use grml running from a 1gb usb key
[19:01] <Kuni> cool
[19:01] <h3sp4wn_> (damn that was scrolled back to years ago)(
[19:02] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: for small I like dsl running from a 64mb usb key.
[19:02] <Kuni> :)
[19:03] <flipstar> what time is it in america right now ?
[19:03] <Kuni> flipstar: on the east coast it's 2:03PM
[19:03] <Kuni> central it's 1:03PM, west coast is 11:03 am
[19:04] <s0u][ight> people where can i find the right firmware cutter for b43?
[19:04] <flipstar> hm just wondering where alpha5 remains
[19:04] <Kuni> yeah, I'm wondering, too.
[19:04] <s0u][ight> isn't it released yet?
[19:04] <flipstar> no
[19:04] <s0u][ight> :|
[19:05] <Kuni> it's supposed to be, but it's not.
[19:05] <flipstar> delayed for today
[19:05] <s0u][ight> i thought it would be released yesterday
[19:05] <flipstar> it was delayed
[19:05] <s0u][ight> so i'm upgrading with a script :|
[19:05] <flipstar> during iso testing as they said
[19:05] <s0u][ight> omg
[19:06] <paulr> ext3 file system creation in partition #3 failed ;/
[19:06] <s0u][ight> how come?
[19:06] <s0u][ight> is there an alternative for putty?
[19:06] <flipstar> paulr: using the new live installer ?
[19:06] <Kuni> paulr: dude you are having some serious issues...
[19:06] <reya276> Kuni: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56980/
[19:06] <paulr> in alpha 4
[19:08] <paulr> does the installer generate a log file somewhere?
[19:08] <s0u][ight> it should i think
[19:09] <s0u][ight> damn i got headache
[19:09] <paulr> ubiquity 1.7.6
[19:09]  * h3sp4wn_ wonders why people think the splash is so important when it always seems to end in a black screen
[19:09] <Kuni> k, reya276: do "sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" find the line that starts # dfoptions, and at vga=0x0323 to the end of that line. ctrl+o to save. then try rebooting
[19:09] <paulr> I assume that's name/verison number of the isntaller
[19:10] <Kuni> reya276: actually, before rebooting, do "sudo update-grub"
[19:10] <flipstar> h3sp4wn_: when it is working it is a great thing :)
[19:10] <s0u][ight> damn some mirrors are quiet slow :|
[19:10] <flipstar> use torrent :)
[19:11] <s0u][ight> too late :D
[19:11] <flipstar> then maybe prozilla
[19:11] <h3sp4wn_> flipstar: Dunno what you gain other than hiding some errors maybe
[19:12] <flipstar> a nice startup without dealing with details ..
[19:12] <nblracer> wait is it out?
[19:12] <s0u][ight> i was discusting with my friend last time i told him that i wanted to use 2 drivers for my wireless card and he said it will make conflicts ( i mean one who works all the time and the other i can set up if i want to) is it possible?
[19:12] <h3sp4wn_> Just pretending something does not exist does not make it so
[19:13] <reya276> Kuni: rebooting
[19:14] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: then how do you explain Apple's policy of complete silence about security issues until after they go away? ;)
[19:14] <flipstar> h3sp4wn_: no but there is no reason to look at the details instead of a nice screen for an normal startup&user
[19:15] <h3sp4wn_> Kuni: I don't know anything about apple I was going to get a macbook pro at one point but after breaking an ipod in 2 days (and people I know having similar quality issues) I won't find out
[19:16] <s0u][ight> people i got a question
[19:16]  * AnswerGuy looks at s0u][ight
[19:16] <s0u][ight> i was searching for a firmware cutter and just found b43-fwcutter.deb
[19:16] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: lol. What is there to say about Apple except that they have some great products, but they're a terrible company.
[19:16] <h3sp4wn_> Kuni: But they do have ZFS and dtrace so maybe they are worth a look (and supported for most apps I use)
[19:17] <reya276> Kuni: nope that did not do anything
[19:17] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: They -did- manage to make UNIX user friendly...
[19:17] <s0ullight_> but the weird thing is it says Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware
[19:17] <h3sp4wn_> Kuni: It always was user friendly
[19:18] <s0ullight_> while it should be for the b43 driver could it be misspelled?
[19:18] <Kuni> reya276: hm. I'm not very well versed on vesa, since I just use the nvidia drivers...what kind of card do you have?
[19:19] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: no, I mean basic Mac-user friendly. You know, basically a shiny, high-level toy.
[19:20] <AnswerGuy> s0u][ight: I don't know for sure but I would guess that b43 and bcm43xx are different drivers for the same class of hardware (family of chipsets).  And that the firmware (downloaded into the NIC) should be independent of the driver (linked into the kernel to call on hooks in the firmware to drive the card)
[19:20] <AnswerGuy> Nota bene:  This is just a guess!
[19:20] <h3sp4wn_> Afaik you can get suitable firmware from the wl.o broadcom embedded firmware
[19:21] <s0ullight_> tnx
[19:21] <mhollisjr> if I compile wine myself, will that interfere with future packaging upgrades and installs for wine?
[19:22] <reya276> Kuni: I have an ATI card but I installed the Fglrx drivers and the ATI drivers but for some reason the card is not recognizing them, for some reason I think they should have kept that xorg.conf like it was before
[19:24] <Kuni> huh. sorry, I can't help you there, reya276.
[19:24] <flipstar> mhollisjr: you can set the package to hold
[19:24] <flipstar> so it wont be upgraded
[19:25] <flipstar> echo wine hold|sudo dpkg --set-selections
[19:26] <mhollisjr> flipstar:  well that's the thing when it becomes available on hardy I DO want it to upgrade
[19:26] <flipstar> then just release it
[19:26] <mhollisjr> flipstar: my question is, will it be a problem?
[19:26] <flipstar> no
[19:27] <mhollisjr> so if I have it installed from source, the package when it becomes available will upgrade properly?
[19:27] <mhollisjr> assuming default settings and locations?
[19:27] <flipstar> guess yes it will read the old config files like every app
[19:28] <mhollisjr> -nod- well I suppose worst case scenario, I back up my wine drive, and make uninstall
[19:28] <mhollisjr> then install it
[19:29] <h3sp4wn_> Is there something inherantly broken about using usplash with 1900x1200
[19:29] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: heh. Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
[19:30] <h3sp4wn_> I am not really that bothered -once I disable it then I will keep it that way
[19:30] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: although the best option --framebuffer gives -me- for boot is either 1600x1200 or 1400x1050, neither look very good on my 1920x1200 screen.
[19:30] <h3sp4wn_> Kuni: Are you using a quadro 1600m also ?
[19:31] <Kuni> nope. Go 7900GS
[19:32] <mEck0> Hi folks! I was thinking about some things in Transmission, the "new" bt-client in 8.04. I would like a feature to set directory for both Unfinished downloads and Finished Downloads. AFAIK, you can only set a single download-dir now. Another thing which would be good is to see the amount of time remaining of a download (I mean, when not in minimal mode, alt+m). Sure you can see time left if you select the download and choose Details, bu
[19:32] <mEck0> t why not see it directly.
[19:33] <mEck0> And yeah, another thing I miss it the possibility to select a download and choose delete torrent, or delete torrent+data (as in ktorrent for instance). otherwise, I think Transmission is a good lightweight bt-client
[19:42] <AtomicSpark> :D is it out yet?
[19:43] <AtomicSpark> good it is.
[19:43] <AtomicSpark> release schedule page needs to be updated.
[19:44] <h3sp4wn_> Nice error message - irq 19: nobody cared
[19:45] <Unksi> :D
[19:45] <AtomicSpark> interesting. you can now install ubuntu as an application inside windows. that's scary.
[19:46] <Kalpik> AtomicSpark, link?
[19:46] <Kuni> news on alpha 5
[19:46] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[19:46] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Alpha5
[19:46] <Kuni> they've got  a bunch of bugs apparently
[19:46] <AtomicSpark> alpha5 is out
[19:46] <reya276> yeah I said the same thing before, which I don't get, should we not try to use windows at all
[19:46] <Unksi> AtomicSpark: isnt it like an installer that can install it from windows, and then you just reboot it?
[19:46] <Kuni> AtomicSpark: try downloading it, it's not yet.
[19:46] <Unksi> or have i got it wrong :P
[19:47] <AtomicSpark> lawl.
[19:47] <Kuni> Unski: no, actually you can now run Ubuntu in windows using Wubi
[19:47] <Unksi> oh ok
[19:47] <leon_pegg> debtorrent is included in the hardy repos this is good :D far better solution then apt-torrent
[19:47] <Kuni> see: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[19:47] <Unksi> hmm, wonder if i should use that at my school :P
[19:48] <Kuni> unski: it's tempting, right? ;)
[19:50] <AtomicSpark> Unksi: no.
[19:51] <Unksi> Kuni: sure ;)
[19:51] <Unksi> AtomicSpark: with usb stick, installed at home, of course
[19:52] <Kuni> I'm definitely going to be installing in Vista, just so that no matter what OS I boot to, I will always have linux.
[19:52] <Unksi> i probably couldnt do that there, as they have quite strict permissions set there; though i can run stuff from usb stick
[19:53] <Kuni> oh the joys of college.
[19:53] <AtomicSpark> Unksi: are you in college or highschool?
[19:53] <h3sp4wn_> Kuni: I do always have Linux (via - http://www.slicehost.com)
[19:53] <Kuni> although I do miss the familiarity I had with my schools system before I left.
[19:54] <h3sp4wn_> relies on nothing
[19:54] <getoo> after upgrading to hardy i got no sound .... :(
[19:54] <Kuni> h3sp4wn_: $$$
[19:54] <AtomicSpark> getoo: why did you upgrade? D:
[19:54] <Kuni> I'm a college student.
[19:54] <Kuni> ;)
[19:55] <getoo> AtomicSpark: one reason .. wifi
[19:55] <h3sp4wn_> As am I (But I was a well paid sysadmin prior to that)
[19:55] <getoo> anyways you think u can help me a little AtomicSpark  :P
[19:55] <AtomicSpark> Kuni: ah. i discovered the wonders of a laptop. :D I use it in a lot of my classes.
[19:55] <paulr> Kuni: worked it out ;p
[19:56] <AtomicSpark> getoo: No, sorry. I haven't even gotten an alpha installed yet.  Love having it in college. It's a beast, too. 17.1-inch 1920x1200 screen.
[19:56] <getoo> thanx tho
[19:56] <Kuni> paulr: what was wrong?
[19:56] <paulr> Kuni: not being able to create an ext3 partition seems to be the installers way of going "your out of ram"
[19:56] <getoo> i might try the forums then
[19:56] <Unksi> AtomicSpark: at jyväskylä university of applied sciences
[19:57] <Kuni> paulr: lol did you try the alternate install cd then?
[19:57] <AtomicSpark> Kuni: Ah. Mine is 19" 1440x900 or whatever. I have 1920x1200 on my 24" desktop :P.
[19:57] <paulr> nah, used the server cd I burnt yesterday
[19:58] <Kuni> AtomicSpark: 19" laptop? that must be huge
[19:58] <paulr> (which has actually taken me less time then trying a nice graphical installer with less options )
[19:58] <AtomicSpark> Kuni: maybe it's 17..
[19:58]  * AtomicSpark mesures
[20:01] <AtomicSpark> Kuni: ha, yup it's 17. :P close enough.
[20:03] <Kuni> lol
[20:04] <Kuni> So I wonder if we'll be seeing ANOTHER delay in the alpha
[20:05] <Kuni> (which sounds really retarded when you think about it: whiny about a two day delay on an alpha test version of an operating system due to come out in two months)
[20:07] <AtomicSpark> COPYPASTA: For those who have set up encrypted LVM, can you set it up via a live cd in partition manager? or can you only do it when installing ubuntu? What I did for my current install is partition with live cd, installed vista, then went back to live cd and installed ubuntu. Basically I made my partitions using ubuntu but still installed vista first (this prevents a lot of things). Can I do the same thing with encrypted LVM so that the
[20:07] <Kuni> mmmm copypasta. I was just getting hungry, too.
[20:07] <flipstar> the last alpha was released late on afternoon
[20:07] <Kuni> flipstar: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all
[20:08] <Kuni> they still have  few bugs they're working on
[20:13] <AtomicSpark> lols. other room turned into a vista help desk.
[20:17] <s0u][ight> hello just made my b43 driver work
[20:17] <s0u][ight> but got an issue : can't change my interface's name
[20:17] <s0u][ight> can someone help me
[20:18] <Kuni> gah...I hate hardy's version of awn...
[20:18] <AtomicSpark> awn?
[20:24] <leon_pegg> avant window navigator
[20:26] <AtomicSpark> well instead of hating, you should suggest improvements!
[20:26] <leon_pegg> or help with development
[20:27] <leon_pegg> Kuni awn should be the same on gusty as hardy if your compiling from source
[20:27] <leon_pegg> Kuni awn should be the same on gusty as hardy if your compiling from source
[20:28] <Kuni> nope. It's in the repos for hardy, and I got it from a bzr precompiled repo for gutsy
[20:28] <Kuni> but yes, if I were compiling from source.
[20:28] <leon_pegg> Kuni is awn in hardy repos
[20:29] <Kuni> yup
[20:29] <Kuni> but no applets. :(
[20:29] <leon_pegg> Kuni its not hard just compile it from source
[20:29] <Kuni> yeah, that's what I'm going to try next.
[20:31] <leon_pegg> I have been writing patches for alot of apps i use so that murrine rgba transparency works in them
[20:33] <leon_pegg> one thing I'll be testing when I get chance is debtorrent with apt-transport-debtorrent
[20:35] <h3sp4wn_> Is the java 7 alpha usable yet for a plugin ?
[20:35] <Unksi> the plugin doesn't work here with firefox atm
[20:36] <bertvdp> hi, is alpha5 is coming out tomorrow, right ?
[20:36] <h3sp4wn_> I dunno why a version using the ia32-libs of firefox cannot be provided
[20:36] <Unksi> it was going to come out yesterday.. but we hope for tomorrow
[20:36] <bertvdp> Unksi, okey thanks
[20:37] <bertvdp> now that we've passed package freeze I hope to help a bit by doing some alpha testing
[20:56] <nblracer> any word on when hardy 5 will be finshed and released
[20:57] <flipstar> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[20:57] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[21:21] <mhollisjr> is there a program that I can use to simulate a boot off a device?
[21:21] <mhollisjr> like if I wanted to test booting off my USB stick without rebooting 25 times, since I probably need to make adjustments?
[21:21] <h3sp4wn_> Did you try qemu ?
[21:22] <mhollisjr> no but that's what I needed to know ^^ if it'll do that
[21:22] <mhollisjr> ty ^^
[21:26] <weedar> I'm trying to set file associations in firefox-3.0 but there doesn't seem to be an option for it..Does anyone know where I set it?
[21:27] <weedar> The "Applications"-tab in Preferences is empty and I can't seem to add any?
[21:34] <Kuni> odd...
[21:35] <Kuni> in ccsm, close and minimize (not on unminimize) fade before they finish...
[21:36] <Kuni> nevermind
[21:36] <Kuni> had to uncheck fading windows option
[21:43] <cyphase> dare i ask.. does anyone know when alpha 5 is coming?
[21:44] <Kuni> cyphase: we've been asking the same question all day.
[21:44] <Kuni> Devs contend that there are still bugs
[21:44] <cyphase> i was going to ask last night (early morning Friday), but i thought it would be out by now
[21:44] <cyphase> i see
[21:44] <Kuni> here
[21:44] <Kuni> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/
[21:46] <Kuni> or
[21:46] <Kuni> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/all/all
[21:48] <SheeEttin> Anyone running Kubuntu Hardy in here?
[21:49] <flipstar> everyone i guess :)
[21:49] <Kuni> well, maybe everyone except me. :P
[21:49] <flipstar> except these that are running gnome of corse
[21:50] <wastrel> i have gnome
[21:50] <SheeEttin> flipstar: exactly why I asked about Kubuntu. I'm hesitant to try Hardy, because I tried KDE 4.0, and it didn't look too good...
[21:51] <mikedep333> as in it was buggy or it didn't have good features?
[21:51] <mikedep333> right now both are the case in my opinion
[21:51] <flipstar> SheeEttin: using hardy didnt mean to use kde4
[21:51] <Centaur5> I'm trying to find out if it's my problem or just the driver but does anybody know if the experimental intel driver is capable of running glx?
[21:52] <Kuni> no idea
[21:52] <SheeEttin> flipstar: good point.
[21:52] <SheeEttin> Which version of X is in the Hardy repos?
[21:53] <mikedep333> 7.3
[21:54] <SheeEttin> Oh good.
[21:54] <SheeEttin> Well, I haven't got anything better to do, so I might as well upgrade... Gutsy is getting boring. :P
[21:57] <ubuntux> is there an easyway to change the mount path and name of an usb connected storage device like a usbdrive?
[21:58] <flipstar> you can change the label via e2label
[21:59] <flipstar> change the mount path with remount ..
[22:00] <ubuntux> k thx
[22:02] <ubuntux> well its still saying 400.1 gig media
[22:03] <flipstar> after labeling with e2label ?
[22:03] <ubuntux> yep
[22:03] <ubuntux> something to do with udev ?
[22:04] <flipstar> uhm you did the right device ? e2label device [ new-label ]
[22:04] <ubuntux> yep
[22:04] <ubuntux> first checked with fdisk -l
[22:04] <ubuntux> it is mounted in the path i want (/media/disk)
[22:05] <ubuntux> but nautilus still shows the 400.1gb drive thing
[22:05] <ubuntux> instead of disk
[22:05] <ubuntux> or whatever i like to call it
[22:05] <flipstar> 'e2label device' should show you the new label
[22:06] <flipstar> maybe restart nautilus ? im using kde so i dont know about nautilus
[22:08] <ubuntux> ah okay, i will check that out later. thx!!
[22:09] <ubuntux> what kernel will the final hardy build get?
[22:10] <AtomicSpark> probably what it is on now.
[22:11] <ubuntux> ah ok
[22:11] <AtomicSpark> most of the freezes have taken place. of course there is always secuirty updates to the kernal. :P
[22:11] <ubuntux> i get kernel panics with wireless rt61pci module
[22:11] <AtomicSpark> that would be a minor kernal version issue not major. minors get released as an update.
[22:11] <luke1290> hey hey
[22:12] <AtomicSpark> but of course that could be a non-kernal issue. ;) i am not sure.
[22:12] <luke1290> im running Ubuntu LiveCD. But im confused, how can I install xchat and download files onto my desktop?  I didnt think it can write to the CD
[22:12] <flipstar> ram
[22:12] <AtomicSpark> "A kernel panic is an action taken by an operating system upon detecting an internal fatal error from which it cannot safely recover; the term is largely specific to Unix and Unix-like systems."
[22:12] <ubuntux> well im not the only one with kernel panics and rt61pci combo :)
[22:13] <luke1290> i installed xchat and saved files onto my Desktop as im running the LiveCD Ubuntu.  How is that possible?  Where is it saving the files as it cannot write to the CD?
[22:13] <flipstar> ram
[22:13] <AtomicSpark> yes but it might have nothing to do with what version the kernel is. :P
[22:13] <luke1290> flipstar, but i installed xchat and downloaded heaps of files. and I only have 1 GB ram
[22:13] <ubuntux> well okay, but the module is coming from that kernel though, well lets hope it will be fixed some day
[22:14] <flipstar> luke1290: you downloaded more than 1gig to your desktop ?
[22:14] <AtomicSpark> could be a "oh shi-, this driver makes me break" kind of thing. yeah. must remember it is currently at alpha 4. people shouldn't expect it to work.
[22:14] <luke1290> flipstar, how much does Ubuntu LIVECD take?
[22:14] <ubuntux> well, its running pretty good here, im using it instead of gutsy now.. ofcousre i make enough backups in case of..
[22:15] <AtomicSpark> i haven't tried it yet unfortunately. might have it a go when alpha 5 gets released here soon.
[22:15] <luke1290> flipstar, does the Ubuntu LIVECD store any data on my HDD?
[22:15] <flipstar> no not if you dont say so
[22:19] <AtomicSpark> ubuntux: the kernal version in alpha 5 is 2.6.24-8.14 (<IP_ADDRESS>-based) if you were wondering.
[22:20] <flipstar> why dont they say <IP_ADDRESS> since it is that ?
[22:21] <flipstar> im confused of that is there a way to look up which kernel it really is ?
[22:21] <AtomicSpark> donno. just telling you what it says on the alpha 5 page.
[22:21] <AtomicSpark> if you have it running you can see what version it is. let me find the command.
[22:21] <h3sp4wn_> It really isn't anything because its patched
[22:21] <ubuntux>  2.6.24-8-generic thats my kernel
[22:21] <Unksi> uname -r?
[22:22] <flipstar> yes but it is based on that
[22:22] <h3sp4wn_> other than the ubuntu name
[22:22] <PhantomNJ> hello all, anyone experience webcam constantly taking pictures while upgrading to Hardy from Gutsy?
[22:22] <AtomicSpark> flipstar: uname -r or uname -a in terminal.
[22:22] <h3sp4wn_> It doesn't mean anything though
[22:22] <flipstar> yes but 2.6.24-8 is the *ubuntu name for the kernel i want to find out the real kernel name here it is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:23] <flipstar> okay not kernel name but kernel base
[22:23] <h3sp4wn_> The whole thing is if somehting is patched to hell its different enough from <IP_ADDRESS> that it shouldn't be called that
[22:23] <ubuntux> truecrypt 5 is pretty neat
[22:23] <AtomicSpark> lol.
[22:24] <ubuntux> just like to mention that :)
[22:24] <ubuntux> someone using stuff like that?
[22:25] <Assid> a5 is releaseD?
[22:25] <AtomicSpark> i just downloaded the gusty version of transmission. checking out what it will be like in hardy. do you know if it allows encryption? i see it allows port mapping via upnp.
[22:25] <AtomicSpark> Assid: no. there were some bugs.
[22:25] <flipstar> ubuntu i used truecrypt 5 once but then i changed to luks
[22:25] <Assid> hrmm k
[22:25] <ubuntux> whats that?
[22:26] <PhantomNJ> anyone have a webcam go active while upgrading to Hardy?
[22:26] <flipstar> upcoming standart for encryption on linux
[22:26] <ubuntux> ah okay
[22:26] <Assid> AtomicSpark: i thought they pushed it to today
[22:26] <ubuntux> what do you encrypt with it?
[22:26] <Assid> PhantomNJ:  yeah mine works fine
[22:26] <flipstar> aes just like truecrypt
[22:26] <flipstar> but its way faster
[22:26] <Assid> i bought one thats known to support tho
[22:26] <PhantomNJ> Assid: was it taking pictures while you did the upgrade?
[22:27] <PhantomNJ> I don't know if it's testing or what, but the upgrade seems to have stalled while it's snapping pics and saving them to /tmp/motion
[22:27] <Assid> ?
[22:27] <PhantomNJ> I'm wondering if I should disconnect it
[22:27] <Assid> nah
[22:28] <DoYouKnow> no Alpha 5 available for download?
[22:28] <AtomicSpark> Assid: the page is up but the download link is missing. it also says there are bugs with current iso.
[22:28] <AtomicSpark> DoYouKnow: not yet
[22:30] <ethana2> I like that the release page notes the delay
[22:30] <ethana2> As opposed to it just sitting there while things push it back day after day
[22:30] <flipstar> yep was clear since few days already
[22:31] <ethana2> wow, came so fast.. the trick is forgetting about it instead of waiting anxiously ;)
[22:31] <AtomicSpark> anyone know what file systems lvm supports?
[22:37] <Assid> wheres the announcement?
[22:37] <AtomicSpark> what announcement?
[22:38] <Assid> of the delay
[22:39] <AtomicSpark> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[22:40] <AtomicSpark> Alpha 5 (NOTE: Delayed until 22nd)
[22:40] <AtomicSpark> I'm thinking it will be delayed further. :P
[22:40] <Assid> just a note
[22:40] <flipstar> night is long ..
[22:40] <Assid> i think they wanna try and clear as many bugs as possible for this alpha release
[22:40] <AtomicSpark> yeah. some guy posted a link to the iso info about the bugs.
[22:41] <flipstar> that here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[22:41] <AtomicSpark> well there you go!
[22:44]  * Kuni is proud to be "some guy!"
[22:44] <Kuni> :D
[22:44] <flipstar> that site is great! i just bookmarked it :P
[22:45] <Kuni> yeah, the dev team was gracious enough to give it to me when I bugged them about how we here in +1 had no idea what was going on with alpha 5.
[22:45] <weltschmerz> every time my screensaver should come on, i instead get a black screen that will not "wake up", and i just see my mouse arrow and have to hit ctrl-alt-backspace and log back in.
[22:45] <weltschmerz> and if i try to open screensaver preferences it doesn't really load.  everything in the window stays grey.
[22:46] <weltschmerz> no text appears or anything.  it just seems frozen.
[22:46] <weltschmerz> this has not happened on my home machine also on hardy
[22:46] <Kuni> hm
[22:46] <Kuni> haven't had that problem yet...
[23:06] <Habbie> hello; why is openssh-server not on the hardy server iso?
[23:09] <Kuni> sorry Habbie, I don't have the answer
[23:09] <Kuni> you could try #ubuntu-devel
[23:09] <Kuni> or maybe someone else here knows
[23:09] <Habbie> i'll hang around, see if an answer comes :)
[23:17] <Kuni> Habbie, from what I can tell from the dev chat, it sounds like they're hoping to have that fixed in Alpha 5 when it finally comes out
[23:18] <Habbie> ah, that's good to hear
[23:18] <Habbie> thanks
[23:18] <Kuni> np
[23:18] <Kuni> I could be wrong, but that's what it sounds like
[23:25] <swx_> No news of heron A5?
[23:25] <swx_> Maybe its delayed till tomorrow ?


[12:12] <apokryphos> nalioth: it wasn't shut down properly
[12:20] <elkbuntu> harrisony, that quit message is your hint
[12:21] <harrisony> elkbuntu: haha
[02:48] <elkbuntu> ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> cry baby cry!
[02:49] <jussi01> Tm_T: check out sdf in #kubuntu
[02:49] <jussi01> arrghh..
[02:56] <LjL> do you know what's the bytes for bold and italic on mIRC?
[02:56] <LjL> (at least, i think the commonly used protocol is the mIRC one)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> a *foo* _bar_ bling
[02:57] <Hobbsee> darn.
[02:58] <Tm_T> er
[02:58] <Tm_T> that has nothing to do with mirc
[03:00] <LjL> Hobbsee, Tm_T: the color codes were introduced by ircle, then mIRC used different ones, and the ones commonly used now are the mIRC ones. i don't think there's any RFC yet
[03:00] <LjL> maybe it's not the same for bold/italic/underline, but "that has nothing to do with mIRC", hm, i'd have my doubts
[03:00] <Tm_T> color?!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:00] <Tm_T> well, *bold* and _underline_ are older than mirc IIRC
[03:01] <LjL> they sure are
[03:01] <LjL> but i'm talking about real bold and underline :)
[03:01] <Tm_T> ...
[03:01] <Tm_T> stay away from me, satan!
[03:01] <LjL> Tm_T: type /msg ubotu help list
[03:02] <LjL> i don't like to use things like colors and formatted text on irc gratuitously
[03:02] <LjL> but i don't think it's gratuitous in that case
[03:02] <Hobbsee> @rainbow bad LjL
[03:02] <ubotu> bad LjL
[03:03] <LjL> +c
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[03:03] <LjL> 'cause the channel's +c :)
[03:03] <Tm_T> yah
[03:04] <Tm_T> colours -> kick
[03:04] <Tm_T> usually
[03:04] <LjL> mlocked +c
[03:04] <Hobbsee> aaaa
[03:04] <Hobbsee> bbb
[03:04] <Hobbsee> tset
[03:04] <Hobbsee> that's...weird
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hey now.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> yay, Tm_T's back
[03:14] <Tm_T> yes, my back is very yay
[03:26] <Tm_T> Jucato: have you seen this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6726522426109060914
[03:27] <Tm_T> Jucato: it's one hour video about debian packages
[03:27] <Jucato> oh... interesting.. let me see :)
[03:27] <Jucato> yay Google videos!
[03:28] <Daviey> Hi.  Any chance you can tell me why user 'ubuntu' is banned from #ubuntu?
[03:31] <LjL> Daviey: hold on please, i'm having a problem checking the logs
[03:31] <mc44> Daviey: he isnt any more
[03:31] <mc44> LjL: he was banned for spamming
[03:32] <mc44> (by you)
[03:32] <Daviey> great mc44
[03:32] <LjL> mc44: while using that nickname?
[03:32] <mc44> yep
[03:32] <mc44> but it was a hostname ban
[03:32] <Daviey> did wonder why he was banned
[03:32] <Daviey> thanks
[03:33] <LjL> gnnh stupid tracker... SEVEAS! fix the tracker, it spits SQL gibberish half of the times :P
[03:34] <jrib> spot the mistake: grep ubuntu\ \> ~/irclogs/freenode/\#ubuntu.log
[03:34] <jrib> oh oops, no mistake there, but I ran without \> before, just >
[03:34] <LjL> jrib: erm, missing quotes?
[03:34] <LjL> hm
[03:34] <LjL> well perhaps it's easier to use quotes anyway :P
[03:35] <jrib> yeah, but now my #ubuntu log is a lot shorter at least
[03:36] <LjL> mc44: ok i'm having some troubles finding what got him banned. the nick doesn't help, for sure >: he actually was spamming?
[03:36] <mc44> LjL: 197.Red-80-59-135.staticIP.rima-tde.net
[03:37] <LjL> mc44: yeah but i can't find the offending line(s) in the tracker. just tell me if i had a good enough reason for banning him :P
[03:37] <mc44> LjL: of course you did, a man of your abilities :)
[03:37] <LjL> mc44: "man of my experience"
[03:37] <mc44> thats the one
[03:38] <jrib> notice that ip was banned once a month since january
[03:38] <LjL> yes, noticed that
[03:38] <mc44> LjL: 2007-04-21T14:56:38 <ubunt1> http://www.sexualityandu.ca/teens/what.aspx
[03:38] <LjL> mc44: i asked *if*, not *which*...
[03:38] <LjL> anyway, ok, i couldn't find it because i wasn't grepping for ubunt1
[03:39] <mc44> Yes, sorry
[06:05] <jussi01> hei ops!! can someone have a look into #kubuntu ...?? there are a couple of lads just asking all sorts of annoying questions, and just clogging the channel... nicks = don and ubuntu
[06:06] <nalioth> i'm not surprised
[06:07] <jussi01> heh, yeah, they've been around for a while...
[06:15] <LjL> neither am i
[06:15] <LjL> ubuntu has been accusing me of ruining his system
[06:16] <LjL> i'd told him to "sudo apt-get autoremove wine" when he asked how to remove wine
[06:16] <LjL> of course, the fact that he was *asked* whether to remove the other 200 package he apparently removed (didn't have kubuntu-desktop installed, i guess) doesn't mean a thing - it's still all my fault
[06:17] <mc44> LjL: trashing peoples computers now? naughty you
[06:17] <jussi01> THANK YOU!!
[06:17] <jussi01> :D
[06:18] <jussi01> sorry to shout, but im now a bit happier...
[06:18] <jussi01> :D
[06:19] <ompaul> LjL, all things are your fault :)
[06:22] <LjL> honestly, i think i shouldn't be suggesting autoremove like that. i know that people can be stupid. i just didn't think about it, since i almost always use autoremove
[06:23] <LjL> so i would even feel a little guilty, if he weren't so obnoxious
[06:23] <mc44> yeah, just use remove, in most cases people wont notice remnant dependencies anyway
[07:13] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:43] <ubotu> In ubotu, a514 said: how much is ubuntu?
[07:45] <jrib> !ubotu > a514
[07:45] <mc44> !free > a514
[08:20] <pOdOm> hi
[08:20] <pOdOm> i've got a problem with a registered channel
[08:22] <Seveas> which one?
[08:23] <pOdOm> #z
[08:23] <pOdOm> the channel is registered
[08:24] <Seveas> pOdOm, that's not in the realm of the ubuntu operators, you should ask frenode staff for help
[08:24] <pOdOm> but the owner doesn't come anymore and it"s a linked channel
[08:24] <pOdOm> ok thanks :)
[08:24] <apokryphos> pOdOm: /stats p to list currently available staffers

[08:24] <pOdOm> ok :)
[08:24] <vorian> lol nalioth
[08:24] <Seveas> (and nalioth is one of those staffers and apparently desperat for attention :p)
[08:24] <apokryphos> nalioth: you didn't close down -chat properly ;)
[08:25] <nalioth> pOdOm: i'm afraid #z can't be dropped.  try ##z
[08:25] <nalioth> apokryphos: i didn't?
[08:25] <apokryphos> nope
[08:25] <apokryphos> rejoined earlier and there were people around waiting to be re-kicked ;)
[08:26] <mneptok> [3:#ubuntu-ops(+cntz)]
[08:27] <mneptok> everybody be careful where you leave your vowels.
[08:27] <mc44> :D
[08:27] <mneptok> oh dear
[08:28] <pOdOm> see you :)
[08:30] <mneptok> nalioth: can you help me with a channel issue?
[08:30] <mneptok> it's over on GIMPnet.
[08:31] <nalioth> i can help you find more time for GIMPnet, mneptok <EG>
[08:31] <mneptok> :)
[08:31] <mneptok> that would also win you many friends.
[08:31] <mneptok> many of them present as we speak.
[08:32] <vorian> they are all set up in ##z now
[09:40] <highvoltage> who is ops on #ubuntu-devel? just need to keep an eye on someone that's being a bit dum there.
[09:40] <mc44> highvoltage: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-devel list
[09:41] <highvoltage> mc44: thanks
[09:42] <nalioth> highvoltage: who would that be?
[09:42] <highvoltage> nalioth: Alternati. he's gone quiet now, at least.
[09:45] <nalioth> wonder why . . .
[09:45] <mc44> probably eating excessive amounts of snack food
[09:46] <mc44> ah not so quiet now
[09:51] <maxamillion> that was fun
[09:52] <jrib> lets see how long he lasts in #ub... never mind
[09:52] <ubotu> arrenlex called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:52] <ubotu> CheshireViking called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:52] <mc44> jrib: hehe
[10:16] <ubotu> In ubotu, roamex said: what is synaptic
[10:17] <tsmithe> !synaptic > roamex
[12:04] <LjL> it's getting annoying, it's fun by itself, but it's got such a sense of deja vu
[12:06] <Tm_T> ?
[12:07] <Tm_T> LjL: you mean this wolferine deja vu?
[12:11] <jrib> LjL, gnomefreak: so we are keeping the channel only +R?
[12:11] <LjL> no i mean the clonebots in #ubuntu
[12:11] <LjL> i'd take away both
[12:11] <LjL> the bots can register if they like, anyway
[12:11] <LjL> they did that just yesterday
[12:11] <gnomefreak> there are no bots in there atm it should be fine for now
[12:11] <gnomefreak> what happened to +J?
[12:12] <LjL> gnomefreak: removed (and mlocked down) after a big netsplit sent everyone to -unregged
[12:12] <LjL> it should be fixed before it's activated again
[12:12] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:12] <LjL> but - it would be immensely useful imho
[12:12] <apokryphos> I disagree
[12:12] <apokryphos> but we said we'd wait till the meeting to discuss it
[12:13] <apokryphos> and again, it had nothing to do that it was a netsplit
[12:13] <LjL> apokryphos: you disagree with it being useful?
[12:13] <LjL> what was it then?
[12:13] <apokryphos> +J handles netsplits just fine (as we've seen), it's the server deaths that it has a problem with
[12:14] <apokryphos> which are very rare (every few months)
[12:14] <LjL> yeah whatever, a sever death is a netsplit that doesn't just happen because a Cisco goes down somewhere
[12:14] <apokryphos> LjL: no, I disagree that it shouldn't be re-enabled; I think it should
[12:14] <LjL> well i think i could agree
[12:14] <gnomefreak> +j would have prevented that attack afaik
[12:14] <gnomefreak> atleast most of it
[12:14] <apokryphos> well there is a clear difference; netsplits happen regularly, server deaths don't
[12:14] <LjL> that, and the other three of yesterday
[12:14] <LjL> or the day before, or whenever it was
[12:15] <LjL> +rR doesn't do anything at all when the bots are registered - and they are