[00:02] <kees> ScottK: I'm happy with the vlc 1.0.6 upload from a source and patching delta perspective.  vlc tends to be pretty conservative normally.
[00:02] <ScottK> kees: Thanks.
[00:02] <kees> ScottK: so if jdong says it's good, I say ship it.
[00:03] <ScottK> OK. I tend to agree.
[02:20] <slangasek> langpacks are out of the queue now
[02:41]  * ScottK is back.
[02:50] <stgraber> can someone push edubuntu-artwork through the queue so it's ready for our next rebuild (once the langpacks have finished updating I'm guessing) ?
[02:56] <ScottK> stgraber: lang packs are done.  Let me have a look
[02:59] <ScottK> stgraber: Accepted.
[03:00] <ScottK> slangasek: The LP U/I refuses to accept vlc, so I'll leave that to you.
[03:08] <stgraber> ScottK: thanks
[03:13] <ScottK> gdmap is distinctly odd.  It looks like it got autoreconfed or something and a bunch of stuff went missing.
[03:13] <ScottK> If someone sees seb128 they might ask him to have another look at it.
[04:20] <hyperair> ScottK: the code in banshee-extension-appindicator was originally duplicated from banshee's notificationarea extension. the code has received well enough testing. there will not be a regression.
[04:21] <ScottK> hyperair: I realize there won't be a regression for notify-osd users.
[04:21] <hyperair> ScottK: not for notification-daemon either.
[04:21] <hyperair> ScottK: or any other notification daemon that suppots the notifications standard properly
[04:21] <hyperair> like i said, it has been well tested
[04:21] <hyperair> by Ubuntu users, and by non-Ubuntu users.
[04:22] <hyperair> the fragment of the code that was removed by the patch was removed many banshee releases back. qense just added it because he thought it might be useful
[04:22] <hyperair> it was never supposed to have been there in the first place.
[04:22] <ScottK> Except currently the notification updates at start of stream, on update, and end of stream.  If I read the patch right, the start and end update are removed.
[04:22] <ScottK> OK, well that's a totally different rationale than is in the bug.
[04:23] <ScottK> The bug describes working around a notify-osd limitation.
[04:24] <hyperair> sorry, i guess the bug was not worded properly
[04:24] <hyperair> the end-of-stream notification would time out anyway
[04:25] <ScottK> True, so I guess it's really just the start of stream notification that is affected.
[04:25] <hyperair> yes
[04:27] <ScottK> So with the patch there is no notification until some update happens instead of there being one at the start of the stream, right?
[04:27] <ScottK> That doesn't make any sense to me.
[04:29] <hyperair> ScottK: what?
[04:30] <ScottK> I may be reading that patch wrong, but that's what it looked like.
[04:30] <hyperair> there's a if (current_nf == null) somewhere
[04:30] <hyperair> it starts off as null
[04:31] <hyperair> when the first notification is fired, a Notification object will be created
[04:31] <hyperair> and displayed
[04:31] <ScottK> In case PlayerEvent.StartOfStream: it removes current_track = ServiceManager.PlayerEngine.CurrentTrack; and then ShowTrackNotification ();
[04:31] <hyperair> i think there is code repetition
[04:32] <hyperair> the code was already in ShowTrackNotification()
[04:32] <ScottK> So that's just redundant?
[04:32] <ScottK> That bit was the core of my concern.
[04:33] <hyperair> ScottK: ah it's a switch statement, so it just coincides with the next one.
[04:33] <hyperair> StartOfStream and TrackInfoUpdated
[04:33] <ScottK> OK.
[04:33] <ScottK> Good enough then.
[04:33] <hyperair> yep
[04:34] <ScottK> Accepted.
[04:34] <ScottK> Sorry for the confusion.
[04:34] <hyperair> np
[04:34] <hyperair> and thanks =)
[04:40] <ScottK> OK.  That's the end of the current batch I'm comfortable accepting.
[14:13] <ScottK> flite is main and fixes FTBFS, so I'd appreciate it if someone would review.  Diff is trivial.
[15:18] <iulian> ScottK: Am I qualified to review it?
[15:19] <ScottK> iulian: I certainly hope so.
[15:19] <ScottK> (it's adding a missing build-depends)
[15:20] <iulian> ... on ed.
[15:20] <iulian> It looks good to me.
[15:25] <ScottK> iulian: OK.  So you'd like for me to accept it on your behalf?
[15:26] <iulian> ScottK: Yes, please go ahead.
[15:27] <ScottK> iulian: Done.  Thanks.
[15:30] <iulian> ScottK: If there is anything else I can do, please let me know.
[15:30] <ScottK> iulian: OK.
[15:32] <ScottK> iulian: If there's anything in the queue you're comfortable signing off on, let me know and we can discuss it. For Main the RM wants to limit fixes to ones that fix FTBFS or don't make good SRU candidates because you really want them on the installation media, low risk/obvoius fixes.
[15:32] <ScottK> For Universe we're more open about any bug fixes.
[15:36] <iulian> ScottK: Alrighty.
[15:41] <ScottK> iulian: ^^^ could you perhaps review these?
[16:03] <iulian> ScottK: Sure.
[16:04] <ScottK> iulian: Great.  I can let them in for you once you've reviewed.
[16:15] <iulian> ScottK: gpsk31, gmerlin, gabedit, gcin and emerald look good.
[16:16] <ScottK> OK
[16:16]  * iulian is reviewing gamgi now.
[16:17] <iulian> It looks like geser is pretty busy. :)
[16:18] <ScottK> Yep
[16:20] <ScottK> iulian: I'd appreciate a review for qd when it appears.  Since it's my upload, I can't be the reviewer.
[16:22] <iulian> ScottK: OK.
[16:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:23] <iulian> ScottK: gamgi, gentoo and gnote look good too.
[16:24] <ScottK> iulian: Accepted.
[16:25] <ScottK> iulian: There are two gdmap uploads in queue.  Tell me if you want geser's or seb128's.
[16:25] <iulian> ScottK: Hmm, gdmap appears twice in the queue with different diff.gz
[16:25] <iulian> Oh. :)
[16:25] <ScottK> I looked at seb128's yesterday and it had a bunch of configure stuff in the diff I suspect wasn't wanted.
[16:26] <ScottK> So have a look and let me know what you think.
[16:26] <iulian> OK.
[16:34] <iulian> ScottK: Indeed.  seb128's patch looks ugly.
[16:34] <iulian> I'd go with geser's patch.
[16:34]  * iulian looks at qd.
[16:35] <ScottK> OK.
[16:35] <ScottK> Done
[16:40] <iulian> ScottK: I have no idea why 'uscan --force-downloads' shows up in the diff.
[16:40] <iulian> Anyway, please accept it.
[16:40] <ScottK> iulian: Becuase I added a missing newline.
[16:40] <ScottK> OK
[16:41] <ScottK> Done
[16:42] <iulian> Ah, right.
[17:48] <ScottK> iulian: I'd appreciate a review on foundry when it hits.
[17:48] <ScottK> (just uploaded)
[17:52]  * iulian gets the source.
[17:55] <iulian> ScottK: From where have you cherry picked the fix?
[17:55] <ScottK> iulian: The debian package in Testing/Unstable.
[17:55] <ScottK> They've got a new upstream version, so I didn't want to pull that in.
[17:58] <iulian> ScottK: OK, please accept it.
[17:59] <ScottK> iulian: Done.  Thanks.
[17:59] <iulian> No problem.
[18:00] <ScottK> I'm heading out for a while.  If stuff comes in and you review it, just say so here and I'll process it when I get back.
[18:03] <iulian> ScottK: OK.
[20:52] <iulian> ScottK: Go ahead and accept python-django-djblets.
[20:52]  * iulian has just reviewed it.
[21:10] <ScottK> iulian: Thanks.
[21:16]  * iulian goes to bed.


[06:13] <jtv1> bigjools: ->
[06:13] <bigjools> jtv: ←
[06:13] <bigjools> did we just ping with arrows?
[06:13] <jtv> Sort of.
[06:13] <jtv> Bough & arrough.
[06:14] <jtv> Anyway.  I phased my sketch of the changes according to my Baby Steps maxim.
[06:14] <jtv> Here's what I'd like to do at this point:
[06:14] <jtv> First, get an idea of what changes we want over the whole stretch.
[06:14] <jtv> So that includes the multiple-interface-DNS change.
[06:15] <jtv> Get a grip on the changes it requires to the DNS config generators etc.
[06:15] <jtv> Then, decide whether (1) it makes sense to keep the phasing I outlined (where we do multiple DHCP interfaces first), and (2) anything can be done in parallel.
[06:16] <jtv> Make sense?
[06:16]  * bigjools digesting
[06:17] <bigjools> jtv: ok yes that's fine
[06:18] <bigjools> parallel is good
[06:18] <bigjools> as is baby steps
[06:18]  * bigjools fixorates trusty failures
[06:19] <jtv> Right now it looks to me as if it's pretty easy just to remove the restriction on multiple DHCP-managed interfaces, and the get_dns_managed_interface makes it easy to grep for reliance on the remaining (for now) restriction limiting us to one DNS-managed interface.
[06:20] <jtv> But a bit more exploration first may be wise.
[06:21] <jtv> To support multiple DNS-managed interfaces, obviously we need to take a closer look at how we manage DNS configs, but also at what options we offer to the user.
[06:22] <jtv> I'd particularly like to get a handle on the difference between (i) supporting resolution of hostnames to interfaces on the various networks, and (ii) providing name resolution to client interfaces on the various networks.
[06:23] <jtv> For resolution, can we simply resolve a node's hostname to all of its interfaces?
[06:24]  * jtv struggles with clarity
[06:24] <jtv> I mean: nodes can be both clients to our DNS, and hosts resolved in our DNS.
[06:27] <jtv> Should a node have a single hostname, mapping to all its IP addresses?
[06:35] <jtv> Currently the DNS code only maps a node's hostname to an IP address leased to its oldest MACAddress object.
[06:38] <bigjools> right
[06:38] <bigjools> this falls under some of the other fixes we wanted to do
[06:38] <bigjools> ie boot from a maas-controlled management network, but the DNS should resolve to a different NIC
[06:41]  * bigjools goes to deal with ants.
[06:41]  * bigjools realises this is an Archer cliché
[06:42]  * jtv smugly sidesteps the cliché for another one.
[06:45] <bigjools> they are antliminated
[06:46]  * jtv cringes at attempted wordplay
[07:11] <ging> is there a way to get more logging/debugging info with maas? every time i have an issue i find it very diffcult to find out where it is going wrong
[07:15] <bigjools> ging: can I help with something in particular?
[07:15] <bigjools> all the logs are under /var/log/maas/
[07:15] <bigjools> there are a few different logs
[07:16] <ging> at the moment my nodes in kvm are failing tests while commisioning
[07:16] <bigjools> which tests?
[07:17] <ging> 00-maas-01-lshw and 00-maas-02-virtuality
[07:17] <bigjools> and what are you seeing?
[07:17] <ging> it instantly shuts down the vm so i can't see what is going on
[07:18] <bigjools> what makes you say it's failing?
[07:18] <ging> it says failed 2/ and lists those 2
[07:18] <ging> 2/5
[07:18] <bigjools> ok
[07:19] <bigjools> well don't worry too much it doesn't affect normal operations, it'll just be missing some info in the database
[07:19] <jtv> We don't expose the commissioning results  anywhere in the UI, do we?
[07:19] <bigjools> no
[07:19] <bigjools> you have to DB-dive
[07:19] <bigjools> this is something we should sort out I suppose!
[07:20] <bigjools> ging: there's a database table called NodeCommissioningResult, the result logs will be in there
[07:20] <ging> ok thanks i will have a look
[07:21] <ging> do you think if i disable pxe boot on the vms they'll actually be working then ?
[07:21] <jtv> No, that'll stop them from working with MAAS at all.
[07:23] <ging> is it the postgres db that maas is using?
[07:23] <bigjools> yes
[07:52] <ging> i can't even get into the database
[07:55] <bigjools> use "maas shell" and then:
[07:56] <bigjools> from metadataserver.models import NodeCommissioningResult
[07:56] <bigjools> from metadataserver.models import NodeCommissionResult
[07:56] <bigjools> sorry
[07:57] <bigjools> for n in NodeCommissionResult.objects.all()
[07:57] <bigjools>   print n
[07:57] <bigjools> or similar
[07:58] <bigjools> jtv: want some cheap karma? https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/fix-celery-callbacks-bug-1270713/+merge/202250
[08:03] <bigjools> you lost your chance!  ok then gmb how about you?
[08:03] <jtv> Don't worry, I'll take it.
[08:03] <bigjools> ha!
[08:03] <bigjools> it's a one liner
[08:03] <jtv> I am known for my one-liners.
[08:04] <bigjools> eye liners more like
[08:05] <jtv> Tramp!
[08:11] <jtv> bigjools: will your change cause any problems for the cloud-archive version?
[08:11] <ging> does maas shell have a man page?
[08:11] <bigjools> jtv: no idea, don't care. cloud archive should update if so.
[08:12] <bigjools> ging: http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs is better
[08:12] <jtv> I think we include the generated man pages there nowadays.
[08:13] <bigjools> jtv: thanks for reviewiewiewiewering
[08:14] <jtv> Yeahyeahyeah I know I know
[08:15]  * bigjools out for a while
[08:43] <ging> would a lack of connection to the repositories cause the commisioning tests to fail?
[08:45] <jtv> Yes, it would
[08:45] <jtv> The node connects to a proxy running on the region controller, and the proxy connects to the repository.
[08:48] <ging> i think this could be where it is going wrong
[08:49] <jtv> I think the lldp scripts would also fail though.
[08:49] <jtv> Because those need to install lldp.
[08:51] <jtv> And the virtuality script doesn't look as if it needs any networking.
[08:51] <jtv> In fact I don't see how that script could fail at all...
[08:52] <jtv> ging: if you can run that maas-shell loop, that should provide error output for the commissioning scripts.
[08:57] <ging> jtv: i couldn't get it to run
[08:57] <jtv> Where did it fail?
[08:58] <ging> it imported NodeCommisionsResult but the next bit gave me a syntax error
[08:58] <ging> and i have no understanding of this syntax
[08:59] <jtv> Did it say where the error happened?  If it's a traceback, just the last entry should be enough.
[08:59] <jtv> Where it names a file and a line number.
[08:59] <rvba> ging: run this: '[n for n in NodeCommissionResult.objects.all()]'
[08:59]  * jtv searches
[09:01] <ging> rvba with the braces and the quotes or neither?
[09:02] <rvba> ging: just what's inside the quotes (i.e. with the braces).
[09:02] <jtv> That's meant to be run within the maas shell though — that failed to start, right?
[09:02] <ging> no i'm in the maas shell
[09:03] <ging> this is what i get with the braces
[09:03] <rvba> jtv: Julian forgot the ':' at the end of the loop statement.
[09:03] <ging> [<NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>, <NodeCommissionResult: NodeCommissionResult object>]
[09:03] <jtv> Ah!
[09:04] <jtv> Well, that's the objects.  Now for the contents.  :)
[09:04] <jtv> We can start with the metadata:
[09:05] <jtv> for n in NodeCommissionResult.objects.all():
[09:05] <jtv>     print(n.name, n.script_result)
[09:06] <jtv> That'll tell us which ones succeeded and which ones failed (in case there's any misunderstanding there).
[09:06] <rvba> bigjools: rarg, looks like the celery upgrade broke quite a few things :/
[09:08] <ging> do i need to end the print command with something? nothing happens
[09:08] <jtv> Try pressing enter another time.
[09:09] <ging> TypeError: 'NodeCommissionResult' object is not callable
[09:13] <jtv> Er...
[09:14]  * jtv is not seeing it
[09:15] <ging> got it now
[09:15] <ging> didn't have enough of an indent
[09:16] <ging> h no i had a typo
[09:16] <jtv> The most interesting output will be the non-zero results, of course.
[09:20] <jtv> My system is upgrading; I'll drop out soon, hopefully briefly.
[09:47] <ging> so far i can see what tests are failing, but i don't know how to get the actual output of the tests, or is that it just pass or fail ?
[09:51] <ging> ah n.data gives me something
[09:57] <bigjools> guys, FYI: http://docs.celeryproject.org/en/latest/whatsnew-3.0.html
[09:57] <bigjools> rvba,jtv, allenap, gmb ^
[09:58] <bigjools> rvba: notice the "Celery will automatically use the librabbitmq module if installed" :)
[09:58]  * jtv goes offline.  Will not be back for a while after all.
[09:58] <rvba> bigjools: that part I know :).  We managed to work around that.
[09:58] <bigjools> I know
[09:59] <bigjools> the task chaining stuff is cool
[09:59] <rvba> Hopefully the core problem will get fixed at some point.
[09:59] <bigjools> it's clearly a bug in the rabbit lib
[09:59] <rvba> Yep
[10:00] <bigjools> aaaanyway I have to do kids' bedtime
[10:03] <ging> should my maas server be listening as a proxy on port 8000? because it currently doesn't it has a proxy on 3128 but apt running on commisioning it trying to connect to it on port 8000
[10:07] <bigjools> ging: check the settings page to see what is configured. The proxy is squid-deb-proxy but I can't remember what its default port is.
[10:07]  * bigjools wishes all good night
[10:11] <ging> changing thing on the setting page seems to make no difference
[10:18] <ging> restart of squid deb proxy and it now listens on 8000
[11:09] <ging> squid deb proxy crashes every time i connect to it, i'm not sure why
[11:09] <ging> but that is definetely my problem
[11:31] <rvba> allenap: does that problem ring a bell? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6785337/
[11:32] <rvba> allenap: this is when I run 'make' in the branch where I upgraded testttools to 0.9.34.
[11:32] <allenap> rvba: It could be that you’ve got python-mimeparse installed locally.
[11:33] <rvba> Ah, good point.
[11:33]  * rvba checks
[11:33] <allenap> rvba: Or that testtools 0.9.33 needs a newer version than is pinned in versions.cfg.
[11:33] <rvba> allenap: no, not installed.
[11:33] <rvba> allenap: python-mimeparse is not mentioned in versions.cfg
[11:34] <allenap> rvba: Ah, it ought to be then.
[11:36] <rvba> allenap: why?  If it's not mentioned, doesn't just mean any version is okay?
[11:36] <rvba> doesn't it*
[11:41] <rvba> allenap: can you remind me what command I should run to get buildout to write versions.cfg?
[11:54] <allenap> rvba: bin/buildout -v buildout:allow-picked-versions=true
[12:02] <rvba> allenap: Fu&%ing A!  Looks like it did the trick.  Thanks!
[13:59] <tomixxx> @jtv, matsubara: are u online? do you remember my MAAS-problem: one maas-server with two network-card-interfaces, one card connects to a private switch with two other nodes and one interface connects to the uni network
[14:21] <jpds_> tomixxx: Probably not at this time, but you're better off looking at http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=658
[14:26] <tomixxx> jdps: ty but i guess i will keep the free-of-charge server ;)


[01:24] <asac> ffox fails to build
[01:25] <asac> looks like it doesn't find the nspr headers
[01:26] <Ubulette> you just did xul without system nspr/nss or ff too ?
[01:27] <asac> Ubulette: our orig doesn't have nsprpub
[01:27] <asac> but apparently its needed
[01:27] <asac> well at least there are no special LIBXUL cases considered
[01:27] <Ubulette> ff ? shouldn't need to. xul only
[01:27] <asac>     NSPR_CFLAGS='`$(DEPTH)/nsprpub/config/nspr-config --prefix=$(LIBXUL_DIST) --includedir=$(LIBXUL_DIST)/include/nspr --cflags`'
[01:28] <asac> Ubulette: shouldn't doesn't help here :)
[01:28] <asac> we need at least the nsprpub/config/nspr-config
[01:28] <asac> and hope that --prefix does the right think then
[01:29] <Ubulette> well, nspr-config should be shipped by xul-dev i guess
[01:29] <Ubulette> and that nsprpub path should be fixed
[01:30] <Ubulette> it's just a kind of pkgconfig script
[01:30] <asac> hey ;)
[01:30] <asac> should doesn't help here
[01:30] <asac> Ubulette: i know exactly what nspr-config is  ;)
[01:30] <Ubulette> well, I don't see your changes so I'm guessing
[01:31] <asac> ther is nothing to guess ... we just need that file in the orig :)
[01:34] <asac> good with that file it works
[01:34] <Ubulette> i would prefer to ship it in LIBXUL_DIST/lib in xul-dev rather than tweaking ff3 tarball.
[01:34] <asac> can you extend mozclient?
[01:34] <Ubulette> sure but I find it dirty that way
[01:34] <asac> Ubulette: that means patching around
[01:34] <asac> well .. its just for a8
[01:34] <asac> once the bug is fixed upstream it can go away
[01:35] <asac> it should just use pkg-config --cflags mozilla-nspr-1.9
[01:41] <Ubulette> not that easy. It's nspr-config.in that needs to be subst
[01:45] <Ubulette> and that subst is made by nspr configure
[01:46] <asac> ok
[01:46] <Ubulette> oh, maybe ff configure does that too
[01:47] <Ubulette> let's try to just add mozilla/nsprpub/config/nspr-config.in to ff tarball
[01:48] <asac> Ubulette: what is replaced in there?
[01:49] <Ubulette> in pure nspr, a lot: prefix, versions, LDFLAGS
[01:50] <Ubulette> OS_LIBS
[01:50] <asac> ok i think i patch configure.in
[01:50] <asac> ugly but effective for this release
[01:50] <Ubulette> pushed
[01:51] <Ubulette> looking at my old bot logs, configure should already do that for you
[01:52] <asac> no
[01:54] <Ubulette> oh, lol no. configure starts another configure in nsrpub
[01:56] <asac> yes
[01:56] <asac> its not that simple
[01:57] <asac> ok it was a typo ... i guess now it works
[01:58] <asac> unfortunately not :)
[02:00] <Ubulette> damn, i pushed the wrong commit
[02:01] <asac> where?
[02:01] <Ubulette> mozclient
[02:01] <asac> i already have a bunch of commits
[02:01] <asac> ah ok
[02:02] <asac> pkg-config mozilla-nspr-1.9 --libs doesn't give enough -L
[02:03] <asac> Ubulette: does mozclient work?
[02:03] <Ubulette> no
[02:03] <Ubulette> oh
[02:04] <Ubulette> w8, maybe. embedded tarball :P
[02:05] <Ubulette> new rev13 works
[02:05] <asac> what did you do with configure.in?
[02:05] <Ubulette> you need it ?
[02:05] <asac> how to checkout?
[02:06] <asac> make firefox-orig DEBIAN_TAG=MOZILLA_RELEASE_1_9a8
[02:06] <asac> ?
[02:06] <Ubulette> yes
[02:06] <Ubulette> I've just added mozilla/nsprpub/config/nspr-config.in
[02:06] <asac> ok got it
[02:06] <asac> hmm
[02:06] <asac> ok
[02:07] <Ubulette> I do make DEBIAN_TAG=MOZILLA_1_9a8_RELEASE firefox-orig
[02:07] <asac> its stupid
[02:07] <Ubulette> ?
[02:07] <asac> it should work how i did it here with pkg-config
[02:07] <Ubulette> who's stupid ? me ?
[02:07] <asac> a bit dubious whats wrong ... i guess its wrong to yield -L/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8
[02:07] <asac> not the world
[02:07] <asac> no
[02:08] <asac> the world is stupid
[02:08] <asac> ;)
[02:13] <Ubulette> remember we're doomed with 2 tarballs for a8 now. one for ppa, one for gutsy
[02:13] <Ubulette> hopefully, ppa will no longer need updates for a8
[02:18] <asac> yeah
[02:18] <asac> i am working on not needing that tarball
[02:19] <Ubulette> as I said, i'd prefer you not to need another tarball so I'm glad
[02:32] <Ubulette> ok, I'm off. 'night
[02:33] <asac> Ubulette: ok i found the ugly hack in configure.in that made me shiver ;)
[06:59] <gnomefreak> night done working for tonight i really need to get sleep i have a couple of meetings tomorrow but should be fairly easy day
[09:28] <Mirv> asac: hi, so could you add the locale dir + chrome.manifest change from bug 139380 to ubufox, or is there something preventing it? (apart from incredible hurry). since gutsy is so little away, I'm trying to fix the remaining i18n/l10n problems, and ubufox is one of the most visible ones (which goes to say gutsy is all-in-all in a quite good shape now)
[09:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139380 in ubufox "Untranslated strings in ubufox" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139380
[10:11] <Ubulette> asac, I don't think shipping mozilla-nss-1.9.pc is such a good idea. if people start depending on it, we're stuck without system nss forever
[10:53] <asac> Ubulette: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[10:54] <asac> Ubulette: no its ok imo
[10:54] <asac> Ubulette: packages will get a critical bug which should fix it
[10:55] <asac> Mirv: i have to do one upload ... have to talk to Jazzva first, because I want some of his changes too, but its not clear how to get them :)
[12:37] <asac> Ubulette: ok ... all in.
[12:38] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/
[12:38] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/
[02:01] <Bernardo> hi
[02:02] <Bernardo> asac: you're here?
[02:45] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree feisty
[02:45] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.0ubuntu1~7.04.1 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386)
[03:07] <asac> Bernardo: ?
[04:23] <Bernardo> asac: seems like the latest updates broke ipw3945/network manager again
[04:24] <Bernardo> also, I have a media center PC for which I want to enable the wifi interface at boot (non-roaming mode, I think), but I have no luck. If I do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" the wlan0 interface works as expected
[04:27] <asac> Bernardo: paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[04:28] <asac> last upload didn't change a thing btw :)
[04:29] <asac> Ubulette: can we do something about bug 121734 in mozclient?
[04:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121734 in firefox "orig.tar.gz has binary-only files" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121734
[04:29] <asac> Ubulette: its basically a "make pitti and some other archive-admins happy" bug
[04:42] <asac> Bernardo: if you have wlan0 configured, network manager doesn't even manage that interface
[06:29] <asac> Bernardo: back?
[07:02] <Bernardo> asac: just got home
[07:02] <Bernardo> the interfaces I sent you was for the media centre pc
[07:02] <Bernardo> with a rtl2500 pci board
[07:10] <Bernardo> asac: the wlan0 configuration in that interfaces file was added by the gnome networkapplet when I choose to have wifi without roaming mode. The strangest thing is that it is started when I do a "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart", but not at boot.
[07:10] <Bernardo> but that I guess isn't with you
[07:11] <Bernardo> my other problem is that my ipw3945 stopped working today, with what looks like a reversion, the reappearance of the configuration dialog for the wpa connection
[07:11] <Bernardo> brb
[07:14] <asac> Bernardo: can you show a log please
[07:20] <asac> /var/log/syslog
[07:30] <Bernardo> hi asac
[07:30] <Bernardo> for the ipw3945?
[07:32] <asac> yes
[07:32] <asac> the other is not network-manager related
[07:32] <Bernardo> ok, I'm checking now among all the guarddog noise for the related entries, just a sec
[07:32] <asac> well could be related, but i hope not
[07:32] <Ubulette> hi everyone
[07:32] <asac> Ubulette: hi
[07:32] <asac> Ubulette: read above ;)
[07:33] <asac> builds are slow nowadays though ;)
[07:33] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9~a8-0ubuntu1
[07:34] <asac> Ubulette:
[07:34] <Ubulette> yep
[07:34] <Ubulette> good
[07:34] <asac> well :)
[07:34] <asac> firefox already has a bug ;)
[07:35] <Ubulette> ?
[07:35] <asac> bug 121734
[07:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121734 in firefox "orig.tar.gz has binary-only files" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121734
[07:35] <asac> i got harangued again for that by archive-admins
[07:35] <Ubulette> it's not new
[07:35] <asac> which doesn't make it better ;)
[07:36] <Ubulette> should we change all tarballs ?
[07:36] <asac> i am waiting for a final go from mconnor
[07:36] <asac> but all looks like we will run remove.nonfree excl. the branding
[07:38] <Ubulette> a task for mozclient for sure
[07:38] <Ubulette> otherwise it's too late
[07:39] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, i've added a tb3 target to mozclient, in case you're interested
[07:41] <asac> anyway ... got to go for now ... bbl
[07:41] <Ubulette> asac, when will you back here ?
[07:45] <asac> Ubulette: 2-3h i think ... anything important?
[07:45] <Bernardo> asac: http://pastebin.ca/726999
[07:45] <asac> Bernardo: which version of nm do you use?
[07:46] <Bernardo> including a couple of NetworkManager crashes that needed a kill -9
[07:46] <Bernardo> 0.6.5-0ubuntu15
[07:46] <asac> that all is with ubuntu15?
[07:47] <asac> Bernardo: does it create a crash file for you in /var/lib/crash/ ?
[07:47] <Ubulette> asac, no, just wanted to know if we could expect to see you before monday :)
[07:47] <asac> Bernardo: aeh /var/crash/
[07:48] <asac> Ubulette: yeah definitly ... i will be here tomorrow afternoon too i guess
[07:48] <Bernardo> yes, I installed all this morning (8am GMT+1) patches, rebooted, and got these problems
[07:48] <Bernardo> let me check /var/crash
[07:48] <cwong1> asac:  hey,  quick question: is the midbrowser release going ok?
[07:49] <Bernardo> asac: no, /var/crash has only libbluetooth and opera stuff
[07:49] <asac> cwong1: well ... i will try to upload when i return. Didn't test yet, because some nasty license issues got in my way :(
[07:50] <cwong1> what license issues?
[07:50] <asac> bug 121734
[07:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121734 in firefox "orig.tar.gz has binary-only files" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121734
[07:50] <asac> its not a license issue, but a source tarball contamination issue ;)
[07:50] <cwong1> k
[07:51] <Bernardo> asac: anyway, you have to go, I have to go, we'll check this later
[07:51] <asac> cwong1: its filed against midbrowser as well :)
[07:51] <cwong1> k
[07:51] <cwong1> will check with you later
[07:55] <Ubulette> asac, the question is what do we do for tarballs already uploaded ? do we add a tag or something to the version ?
[07:55] <asac> Ubulette: +SOMETHING ;)
[07:56] <asac> i will do that on the release branch and bake the tarballs
[07:56] <asac> so you don't need to adapt the mozclient for this upload
[07:56] <asac> of course if mozclient works I can use that as well ... but i can add the version suffix manually
[07:56] <asac> if its easier for you
[08:01] <gnomefreak> asac: anything we can do on ubuntu side of ffox with these damn google addons?
[08:02] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, which ones ?
[08:02] <gnomefreak> google == nonfree so im sure not much but seems every addon for google causes issues
[08:12] <asac> finally i am still here for a few minutes :)
[08:12] <asac> do we ship compatibility links for libnspr and libnss ... as we do for tbird gnomefreak ?
[08:12] <gnomefreak> well told him id ask but as i told him doubtful
[08:13] <asac> hmm yes we do
[08:13] <asac> how are google addons broken?=
[08:13] <gnomefreak> asac: off hand not sure meds kicked in about 20 minutes ago
[08:13] <gnomefreak> asac: they freeze ffox or crash ffox or this that or the other (there are a shitload of bugs on them most i think ive closed a while back
[08:13] <gnomefreak> hold on ther eis one open
[08:14] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-firefox/+bug/140885
[08:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140885 in mozilla-firefox "firefox freezes when greater than three windows are openened" [Medium,Incomplete]
[08:14] <gnomefreak> that is one the damn person wont let me forget
[08:14] <gnomefreak> why comment on bug and wait why not ping the shit out of gnomefreak
[08:14] <asac> hjmf: how are your crash scripts going?
[08:15] <asac> hjmf: do you need help to get them in shape?
[08:15] <gnomefreak> im going to bed before i fall over.
[08:15] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... cu
[08:17] <Ubulette> is that the genuine google tool bar or one of the zillion clones ?
[08:17] <asac> Ubulette: i guess its the official one
[08:17] <asac> i remember that there were crashes
[08:18] <asac> if its a native extension, then we cannot do much about it i guess
[08:19] <Ubulette> that bug should go upstream
[08:19] <asac> were?
[08:19] <asac> where?
[08:19] <asac> Ubulette: its probably not present in what upstream releases
[08:20] <Ubulette> i mean to google
[08:20] <Ubulette> not moz
[08:20] <asac> no idea how to file that :)
[08:22] <asac> Bernardo: what you see are crashes i guess
[08:22] <asac> Bernardo: you see them in log ... so maybe it never gets to connecting?
[08:23] <Bernardo> with wpa, no
[08:23] <Bernardo> with the open network, yes
[08:23] <Bernardo> on the rt2500, it connects with wpa if I enable roaming for that interfar
[08:23] <Bernardo> interface
[08:24] <asac> ok so rt2500 always works with network-manager ... or is it just a bit more stable?
[08:24] <Bernardo> maybe a bit more stable with the latest drivers
[08:24] <Bernardo> that machine had feisty until yesterday
[08:24] <Bernardo> but I made the wrong move and upgraded it
[08:25] <asac> well :) ... better crash now than in the end
[08:25] <Bernardo> it never had network manager before, as the feisty drivers used a lot of iwpriv stuff to configure wpa
[08:25] <Bernardo> we still have a few days to fix it
[08:25] <asac> well ... the crash is what concerns me most atm
[08:26] <asac> Bernardo: are you asked for the key?
[08:26] <Bernardo> yes
[08:26] <Bernardo> and if I give it, it usualy asks again
[08:26] <Bernardo> if I cancel, it crashes
[08:27] <asac> oh ... good pointer
[08:28] <Bernardo> I can retry that, but it's on this machine... Let me launch a irc client on another
[08:28] <asac> Bernardo: do you have another machine that has ipw3945?
[08:28] <Bernardo> no, only this laptop
[08:29] <Bernardo> I have a media center pc with the rtl2500, and another pc which is wired
[08:30] <asac> Bernardo: are you sure that you are up to date?
[08:30] <Bernardo> yes
[08:30] <Bernardo> I am using the main mirror
[08:30] <Bernardo> did a update and a reboot before the main errors
[08:31] <Bernardo> around 11-12 am gmt+1
[08:31] <Bernardo> And I've just updated a few more packages, a couple of minutes ago, but nothing nm related
[08:32] <Bernardo> well, maybe module-init-tools and dbus have some possible relation
[08:33] <asac> Bernardo: yes they do
[08:34] <asac> but unlikely to cause these crashes
[08:37] <Ubulette> asac: how come xul is taking 3h30 to build now ?
[08:37] <asac> Ubulette: look at your update-manager :)
[08:37] <asac> massive package uploads because of freeze that will be lifted
[08:38] <Ubulette> look at build logs, it's stuck after the debs are built
[08:38] <asac> aeh enforced ;)
[08:38] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/vernadsky
[08:38] <asac> Ubulette: well ... 1h ago build hasn't started
[08:39] <Ubulette> it started 3h ago, I was watching it
[08:39] <asac> how long does it hang like this?
[08:40] <Ubulette> dont know but after 1h, it was near the end, it's no longer moving
[08:40] <Ubulette> it did the same for lpia
[08:40] <asac> Ubulette: lpia is finished though ... isn't it?
[08:40] <asac> at least it was last time i looked
[08:40] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9~a8-0ubuntu1
[08:41] <Ubulette> dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code
[08:41] <Ubulette> dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included)
[08:41] <Ubulette> Build killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity
[08:41] <Ubulette> ******************************************************************************
[08:41] <Ubulette> Build finished at 20071005-1555
[08:41] <Ubulette> Publishing debug debs.
[08:41] <Ubulette> that's lpia
[08:41] <Ubulette> "killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity"
[08:41] <Ubulette> and it's not pushed :(
[08:42] <asac> its NEW
[08:42] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[08:42] <asac> there it is
[08:42] <asac> waiting for archive-admins to push it into the archive for the first time
[08:43] <Ubulette> but we're loosing 150min at each build
[08:44] <asac> yeah ... thts heavy
[08:44] <asac> Ubulette: do you have a link for the lpia log?
[08:44] <Ubulette> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9811584/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-lpia.xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[08:46] <asac> Ubulette: lets hope that its just our package that hangs :)
[08:49] <Ubulette> looks like it's stuck at the sign step
[08:50] <asac> i asked tollef ... if he doesn't know or answer i will ask our soyuz guy
[09:01] <Bernardo> asac: I' m on the second machine now
[09:01] <jbs> do you want me to test wifi again?
[09:02] <Bernardo> wrong keyboard :D
[09:02] <Bernardo> do you want me to test wifi again?
[09:06] <Bernardo> bbl
[09:35] <Ubulette> asac, looks like if I just remove everything for win, mac, vms and all tests, it's ok
[09:47] <Ubulette> and os2 too
[10:18] <Ubulette> asac, what did you do with xul 1.9 ??
[10:18] <Ubulette> dpkg: regarding xulrunner-1.9_1.9~a8-0ubuntu1_i386.deb containing xulrunner-1.9:
[10:18] <Ubulette>  xulrunner-1.9 conflicts with xulrunner (<< <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu4)
[10:18] <Ubulette>   xulrunner (version <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu3) is present and installed.
[11:00] <Ubulette> asac, I can no longer build ff3 a8 with your xul a8
[11:01] <Ubulette> ftbs on missing nspr symbols
[11:01] <Ubulette> ftbfs
[11:01] <Ubulette> configure says:
[11:01] <Ubulette> configure: warning: Recreating autoconf.mk with updated nspr-config output
[11:01] <Ubulette>  /src/bzr/build-area/firefox-3.0-3.0~alpha8+s/build-tree/mozilla/configure: 21312: ./nsprpub/config/nspr-config: not found
[11:01] <Ubulette>  /src/bzr/build-area/firefox-3.0-3.0~alpha8+s/build-tree/mozilla/configure: 21312: ./nsprpub/config/nspr-config: not found
[12:04] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 397982
[12:04] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 397982 in Spelling checker "Default spellchecker to load dictionaries from GRE folder not APP folder" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397982
[12:04] <Ubulette> that one could be interesting for us
[12:25] <Ubulette> asac, I merged two of your xul commits to xul.dev, cherry pick. strangely it does not appear in bzr log like a normal (full) merge.
[12:47] <Ubulette> asac, you didn't touch the libnssckbi.so link so it seems the one built is lost and the one in /usr/lib/nss provided by libnss3-0d is used instead
[12:51] <asac> Ubulette: use ffox from bzr tree
[12:51] <Ubulette> I did
[12:52] <Ubulette> and I installed xul debs from lp
[12:53] <asac> Ubulette: my branch doesn do ./nsprpub/config/nspr-config
[12:53] <Ubulette> I used your branch and my new tarball
[12:54] <asac> do you have: debian/patches/nspr_flags_by_pkg_config_hack.patch
[12:54] <asac> oh xul has already been let into the archive
[12:54] <Ubulette> i dont
[12:54] <Ubulette> did you push it ?
[12:55] <asac> lets see
[12:55] <asac> rev 107
[12:55] <Ubulette> lp has 106
[12:55] <asac> that sucks ... branches have diverged
[12:55] <asac> maybe i didn't see it because it was too old
[12:55] <asac> wait a sec
[12:56] <Ubulette> too old ? or too late ?
[12:56] <asac> too late ;)
[12:56] <asac> like now
[12:56] <asac> ok i overwrote
[12:56] <asac> sorry for the confusion
[12:56] <asac> i remember that i was in doubt about whether i pushed the bad release commit
[12:57] <asac> but came up with the conclusion that i didn't ... and then i missed the push error apparently
[01:01] <Ubulette> ok
[01:01] <asac> Ubulette: you should use the latest bzr from bzr :)
[01:01] <asac> there cherry picked commits will be documented from what i saw
[01:01] <asac> yesterday ;)
[01:01] <Ubulette> I did
[01:02] <asac> http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev ?
[01:02] <asac> that branch?
[01:02] <Ubulette> ?
[01:02] <Ubulette> oh, no
[01:02] <Ubulette> my bzr is from gutsy
[01:02] <asac> yeah thats stoneage ;)
[01:02] <asac> use 0.91
[01:03] <asac> just bzr branch http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev
[01:03] <Ubulette> 0.90.0 is that old ?
[01:04] <Ubulette> ok, my new even more stripped ff tarball built fine
[01:04] <asac> yes the cherry-pick refs are brand new
[01:08] <asac> Ubulette: i think you should try to merge all ... and manually revert the parts you don't want on the branch before you commit the merge
[01:08] <asac> Ubulette: in that way bzr should remember that so you can from now on just merge
[01:09] <asac> Ubulette: but i think it doesn't matter much here ... in general i don't want to merge to the .dev branch, but from it :)
[01:10] <Ubulette> i want to merge whenever possible. it seemed possible but I've spent too much time on this already
[01:10] <Ubulette> what do you think of the stripped ff tarball. Does that suit you ?
[01:10] <asac> Ubulette: well :) ... most likely becaues of wrong revision. i can do that as well if you want
[01:10] <asac> Ubulette: i haven't seen how you do it :)
[01:11] <Ubulette> read your mail
[01:12] <Ubulette> that's 1M shorter
[01:12] <asac> Ubulette: the list doesn't include all the binary only files, right?
[01:13] <Ubulette> files and dirs. I can't find any binary in the resulting tarball excepts pics (jpg, png, ...)
[01:14] <asac> have you looked at the remove.nonfree script?
[01:14] <asac> there were a bunch of .rsrc files et al in there
[01:14] <Ubulette> briefly
[01:14] <Ubulette> no more .rsrc now
[01:15] <asac> .dll .Lib
[01:15] <asac> .DLL
[01:15] <asac> .doc
[01:15] <asac> .mcp
[01:16] <Ubulette> 1 doc mais c une doc
[01:16] <asac> 68k.u
[01:16] <Ubulette> oops
[01:16] <asac> PPC.u
[01:16] <Ubulette> 1 doc but it's a real doc


[00:30] <ratman_> nas
[00:31] <ratman_> nas Triviox
[01:42]  * magu42 is away: cenando
[02:29]  * magu42 is back (gone 00:46:58)
[03:43] <danielmato> buenas
[23:48] <ratman> holas
[23:52] <damianmurana> hola


[19:44] <KBar> Hello. Recently, instead of upgrading, I did a minimal fresh install. As expected, many apps were missing. I decided to use Firefox as my file viewer, but it's now a snap, so it can't access files outside of $HOME and $SNAP_USER_COMMON. So I came up with my own solution to this problem: https://code.launchpad.net/~kbar/+junk/filefox - Filefox turns the Firefox snap into a file viewer (comes with a custom profile, even). I know it ki
[19:44] <KBar> nd of defeats the purpose of a snap, but this is for those who, like me, do a minimal installation. I use it primarily for viewing PDF files and images. It works surprisingly well. I also tweaked the PDF viewer: when I click on links in PDF files, they are automatically opened in new tabs, instead of interrupting my reading session.
[19:47] <KBar> Feel free to try it out!


[06:21] <dholbach> good morning
[13:50] <dholbach> I'll start another ubuntu dev hangout-on-air in 10 minutes - anyone interested in co-hosting?
[13:51]  * Laney orders a webcam
[13:52] <Laney> what's a good one to get?
[13:52] <dholbach> hang on - let me find out which one I got
[13:53] <dholbach> now I have one built-in but before that I used a logitech one and it was very nice
[13:53] <Zhenech> iirc logitech/* :)
[13:53]  * Laney gets from this that dholbach has a spare webcam
[13:53]  * Laney also will be seeing dholbach in person in a couple of weeks
[13:53] <Laney> ;) ;) ;)
[13:54] <dholbach> Laney, for the 24h marathon I used it as the cooking-cam :)
[13:55] <dholbach> so I had 2 webcams :)
[13:56] <Laney> haha
[13:56] <dholbach> and wanted to use it as the DJ cam for later in the night
[13:57] <dholbach> but 4 soundcards were a bit too much for quantal
[13:58] <dholbach> Laney, I got a Logitech Pro 9000 Webcam
[13:59] <dholbach> ok, need to go and start the hangout
[13:59] <Laney> ta
[13:59] <Laney> have fun
[14:05] <dholbach> can somebody test on ubuntuonair.com if they hear me?
[14:06] <Laney> dholbach: silence
[14:06] <dholbach> damnit
[14:06] <dholbach> something is wrong with my audio :-((
[14:06] <dholbach> now?
[14:06] <Laney> got it
[14:06] <Laney> yes
[14:08]  * Laney is also looking for a decent desk microphone
[14:08] <Laney> the one I have currently is very noisy
[14:08] <Laney> any suggestions?
[15:11] <Laney> picked a good-ish cheap-ish one
[15:11] <Laney> hopefully will have them by next week
[19:58] <jtaylor> are relatively large bugfixes which were allowed into wheezy a week ago still ok for quantal?
[19:58] <jtaylor> 70k diff
[20:01] <jtaylor> debian bug 687616
[20:03] <ajmitch> jtaylor: ask SpamapS, he'd have a better idea of the impact
[20:04] <SpamapS> oh I'm a bit familiar with apc problems
[20:04] <ajmitch> it certainly looks like something I'd want, but it's really close to release
[20:04] <SpamapS> jtaylor: Probably ok, let me read the details
[20:04] <jtaylor> can an admin please remove php5-auth-pam from quantal
[20:05] <jtaylor> bug 798571 seems somehow be lost from the list
[20:05] <jtaylor> as all my other removal bugs are already done
[20:06] <cjwatson> Not lost, just not done yet
[20:07] <cjwatson> I've been processing in sort of random order
[20:07] <cjwatson> I'll probably have a more systematic attack on archive bugs tomorrow
[20:08] <SpamapS> jtaylor: +1 from me.. the upstream changelog is pretty clear.. fixes and added tests.. I see no features.
[20:09] <jtaylor> SpamapS: thx I'll sync it
[20:09] <SpamapS> jtaylor: and a few of those bugs sound nasty (they usually are with apc)
[20:09] <SpamapS> jtaylor: thanks!
[20:10] <SpamapS> jtaylor: oh! quantal already has 3.1.12 .. so its just the one segfault fix. Even more +1 :)
[20:11] <jtaylor> oh good
[20:11] <jtaylor> only checked the diff in the unblock not the one to quantal :/
[20:27] <iulian> php-apc accepted.
[20:29] <jtaylor> thx


[11:40] <C10uD> hello, i updated bug 527061
[11:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527061 in indicator-application "python bindings for libappindicator don't allow to change icon-theme-path (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527061
[11:40] <C10uD> i'm still unsure on how to test if this actually works, make&&make install the bindings doesn't produce any difference..
[15:00] <jcastro> morning seb128
[15:00] <seb128> hey jcastro
[15:00] <seb128> how are you today?
[15:00] <jcastro> good
[15:00] <jcastro> did you see Kalle ported Tracker to a-i?
[15:00] <seb128> no I didn't
[15:00] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/497912
[15:00] <seb128> nice ;-)
[15:00] <jcastro> !!!
[15:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 497912 in tracker (Ubuntu) "Support Application Indicators (affects: 1)" [Low,Triaged]
[15:01] <jcastro> seb128: so what's the plan for g-s-d?
[15:01] <jcastro> polkit-1-gnome is also ready!
[15:02] <seb128> g-s-d relies on those libgnomekbd refactoring which neither pitti or I like to get in distro
[15:02] <seb128> I guess I will have to sit down and look at this one this week
[15:02] <jcastro> ok
[15:11] <jpetersen> The code could basically be moved from libgnomekbd to g-s-d
[15:23] <qense> kklimonda: you're afk, but you'll probably read your pings: the text field in the Me Menu also sets your IM status after all. I was wrong.
[15:25] <jcastro> jpetersen: whichever makes it easier to put it in the distro I would guess. seb128?
[15:26] <seb128> jpetersen, I've not looked at the details but your change is change the way the code is structured a bit to make easier to share code between appindicator and notification?
[15:27] <jpetersen> for upstream it should be in libgnomekbd but for lucid just patching g-s-d would maybe be easier
[15:27] <seb128> right that's what I was thinking
[15:27] <seb128> could you work on that change?
[15:28] <seb128> I would prefer a code copy rather than a redesign
[15:28] <seb128> and better to not make those api public if not required
[15:28] <jpetersen> seb128, yes ok i will do
[15:28] <seb128> thanks
[15:28] <seb128> we also need to make sure to not break the screensaver lock screen
[15:33] <vish> tedg: would Bug #391414 be addressed for Lucid?  seems to be an a11y problem
[15:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 391414 in hundredpapercuts "Unable to shutdown system from GNOME using keyboard (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391414
[15:33]  * vish thinking of assigning milestone for Lucid
[15:33] <tedg> vish: Yes, please do.
[15:33] <vish> tedg: shall i assign it to you?
[15:34] <tedg> vish: No, all bugs should always be assigned to kenvandine, it makes him feel loved ;)
[15:34] <tedg> vish: Yeah, to me :)
[15:34] <vish> hehe ;)
[15:37]  * vish first searches for dupes
[16:04] <dpm> hi jpetersen, I've been talking to jcastro about a translation issue from the Rhythmbox indicator and he told me you'd be the person to ask.
[16:04] <dpm> Here's the question:
[16:05] <jpetersen> hi dpm
[16:05] <dpm> hi :)
[16:05] <dpm> The "Show Rhythmbox" message on http://imagebin.ca/view/2Vubpv2T.html appears untranslated, and I'd like to find out why it's not translatable. The string does not seem to come from Rhythmbox itself. Any idea where it comes from?
[16:08] <jpetersen> dpm, it is from plugins/status-icon/rb-status-icon-plugin.c
[16:08] <dpm> ah, thanks jpetersen, let me have a look...
[16:09] <jpetersen> dpm, hm the app-indicator patch changed it from "Show Music Player" to "Show Rhythmbox", that was in the original patch
[16:09] <jpetersen> dpm, I am not sure why it was changed
[16:13] <dpm> I'm just looking at why the Show Rhythmbox message does not appear in the Ubuntu translation template, perhaps it was not marked as translatable in the patch
[16:14] <jpetersen> dpm, it is marked translatable
[16:15] <dpm> weird, the only similar message is "_Show Rhythmbox" in the Ubuntu template -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/rhythmbox/+pots/rhythmbox/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=show+rhythmbox
[16:16] <jpetersen> dpm, yes that is the right one
[16:17] <dpm> it's not, the one shown does not have the accelerator -> "Show Rhythmbox" <> "_Show Rhythmbox"
[16:20] <jpetersen> dpm, it seems there seems to be a problem with accelerators in the indicator applet
[16:21] <jpetersen> dpm, but it is that string
[16:38] <dpm> jpetersen, (sorry, I was on the phone). Ah, ok. Do you know if the problem with accelerators a known bug? If so, I'll subscribe to it, otherwise I'll file a new one, I just want to make sure that that string's translations are loaded
[17:11] <jpetersen> dpm, I have not found any bug
[17:12] <dpm> jpetersen, no worries, if it's actually that string, and if it's discarding the accelerator, I'll file a new one. Which source package would be the best to file it against?
[17:13] <jpetersen> indicator-application
[17:13] <dpm> thanks a lot for your help jpetersen!
[17:16] <jpetersen> dpm, your wlecome
[17:34] <Nafai> Hi guys
[17:34] <Nafai> Back from my appointments
[17:55] <jcastro> Nafai: I believe pitti had some questions outstanding on the vino work
[17:58] <Nafai> Ok
[17:58] <jcastro> Nafai: how's brasero coming along?
[17:58] <Nafai> No comments yet from upstream
[17:59] <Nafai> Fine, got one last issue if I don't figure it out soon I'll reach out for some help
[17:59] <jcastro> Nafai: oh right, you needed a GTK guru right?
[18:00] <Nafai> in general, yes, but for the specific problem now for brasero it is more of figuring out the right callback
[18:00] <jcastro> perhaps jpetersen?
[18:01] <jcastro> we need a box with glass and jpetersend in it ... "Break in case of App Indicator Emergency"
[18:01] <Nafai> Heh
[18:02] <Nafai> Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I need help this time
[18:02]  * jcastro nods
[18:02] <jpetersen> jcastro, Nafai what is the problem?
[18:02] <Nafai> jpetersen: not an immediate problem at the moment, but are you going to be around for a while?
[18:03] <jpetersen> Nafai, yes I will have dinner soon, but I will continue to work for a bit after that
[18:03] <Nafai> Ok, I'll try to ping you quickly if I need help today
[18:03] <Nafai> thanks for being available
[18:03] <jpetersen> Nafai, ok :)
[18:03] <jpetersen> your welcome
[18:07] <jcastro> qense: hey, did you know we had a karmic app-indicator ppa already?
[18:07] <qense> jcastro: no :P
[18:08] <qense> Where?
[18:08] <jcastro> it's listed on the wiki page
[18:08] <qense> lol
[18:08] <jcastro> heh, it's been there since like December. :D
[18:08] <jcastro> for upstreams who want to play but don't want to run Lucid
[18:20] <C10uD> tedg, (sorry for the pinging) about bug 527061 , i posted a new diff. however, today i managed to correctly build the whole stuff, and seems like the 001 diff works correctly while the new one (002) doesn't. unfortunately there's little (read: no) documentation on bindings creations so i'm walking in the dark (i don't know how duplicate a constructor). any chance some expert can take a look at this? anyway, the 001 seems fine to me, if you wanna test it
[18:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 527061 in indicator-application "python bindings for libappindicator don't allow to change icon-theme-path (affects: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527061
[18:21] <tedg> C10uD: I'm not sure how to do that in Python either.  kenvandine, do you know how to overload a constructor?
[18:23] <C10uD> well, shouldn't be safe to use *_new_from_model? with plain *_new that path is set to Null, so there's little difference i think
[18:27] <Nafai> You don't overload the constructor in Python
[18:27] <Nafai> What I would do is add an optional parameter to __init__
[18:28] <C10uD> Nafai, but the defs file allows to specify optional parameters for the method from what i've read, and that's what i used
[18:28] <C10uD> it's just i'm using _new_from_model instead of plain _new when creating a new appindicator object, and i think there should be no difference (even if i didn't read the source, i admit)
[18:29]  * Nafai nods
[18:29] <C10uD> using _new sets that parameter to Null already
[18:31] <C10uD> sorry if i'm bothering too much, but i really need that upstreamed in order to hax icons in the indicator :p
[18:32] <tedg> C10uD: I don't think it's an issue, just no one is quite sure how it should work.
[18:34] <C10uD> that sounds very reassuring
[18:34] <C10uD> heh
[18:35] <C10uD> anyway, here's my reference http://live.gnome.org/PyGTK/WhatsNew28#Hand-written_constructors_need_to_be_updated
[18:36] <C10uD> notice that appindicator seems using some going-for-deprecation syntax for bindings creation, but that's another story
[18:38] <C10uD> anyway, if there's something i can do to speed up the process let me know, i fear about python bindings be not ready for lucid..
[18:52] <Nafai> bbiab, lunch
[20:01] <jcastro> qense: that was awesome!
[20:01]  * qense blushes
[20:51] <jpetersen_> I am going to leave for the day
[20:51] <jpetersen_> bye bye
[21:11] <Nafai> jcastro: brasero patch attached and ready for review!
[21:11] <Nafai> jcastro: should I go back and separate the vino patch into two patches as suggested by pitti, or work on gnome-bluetooth first?
[21:31] <jcastro> Nafai: pitti's work first
[21:31] <Nafai> okay, figured as much
[21:31] <jcastro> good job on brasero btw!
[21:31] <Nafai> thanks
[21:32] <Nafai> Is the opportunistic developer week going well?  I've forgotten to pay attention today :(
[21:32] <jcastro> yeah, qense ran an app indicator session
[21:32] <Nafai> awesome
[21:32] <Nafai> He rocks
[23:23] <seg|ars> mpt: hey, is that bold/italic thing an official twitter feature? I haven't seen that before
[23:23] <seg|ars> mpt: it appears to be using an egregiously eccentric unicode hack
[23:24] <mpt> seg|ars, no, it's a practical joke
[23:24] <seg|ars> haha
[23:24] <mpt> Feel free to play along or dismiss it at your choice
[23:26] <mpt> seg|ars, I'm sure you could think of some earnest pledge to support all #twitterpremium features in Gwibber 3.0
[23:44] <seg|ars> mpt: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6862/gwibber3zomg.png ;-)
[23:45] <mpt> seg|ars, beautiful
[23:50] <mpt> seg|ars, misspelled the hashtag :-(
[23:51] <seg|ars> mpt: fixed. Thankfully, one of the new premium features is support for editing existing messages!
[23:51] <mpt> Yeah, isn't it cool?
[23:51] <seg|ars> indeed


[00:12] <atruno-> changing the icon size does not change the size of the program drop down display which is thin and strains my eyes with tiny icons despite the size of any other icons i set to on desktop or in filemanager.
[00:14] <atruno-> when i click on the mouse in the absolute upper left hand corner the menu that drop down each entry is very small.
[00:23] <haywire17> Anyone know how to force a monitor resolution above 1024x768 in Xfce 4.8?
[00:44] <ako_> I have some problems with bluebird theme, can anyone help me please?
[00:45] <xubuntu926> hi all!
[00:45] <xubuntu926> any opinion whether this is better than ubuntu?
[00:46] <Pici> !best
[00:46] <xubuntu926> ok thansks, sorry
[00:46]  * GridCube opinion  is "yes"
[00:47] <xubuntu926> hahaha thanks
[00:47] <GridCube> now go to #ubuntu and ask if its better to anyother thing :P
[00:48] <ako_> :(
[00:48] <Pici> and I'll give the same answer there.
[00:49] <ako_> hello
[00:49] <xubuntu926> so it really is personal preference? theres no big upside?
[00:50] <Pici> Its just a different user interface.
[00:50] <Unit193> If you like, Unity, then Ubuntu is [better[, if you like Xfce, then Xubuntu is [better[
[00:51] <xubuntu926> well i hate unity so I think I'll give xubuntu a try
[00:51] <xubuntu926> thanks a bunch man
[00:53] <Unit193> There are still more options than Xubuntu too
[07:52] <doc|home> hey, anyone had their sound mysteriously stop working recently?
[07:53] <TheSheep> unmute it
[07:55] <doc|home> it's not that
[07:56] <doc|home> hmmm, after unplugging and plugging back in my sound card I get "usb_set_interface failed"
[09:07] <xubuntu260> ha.llo
[09:19] <cYmen> I tried installing xubuntu on an eee pc yesterday and installation went fine but afterwards I couldn't get wireless to work anymore it said "device not managed" does anybody know what that means?
[09:29] <_Pete_> cYmen: check if the wlan interface has configured already in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:29] <_Pete_> if it is, I gues nwdamager doesnt handle it anymore
[09:33] <cYmen> _Pete_: I'll check, thanks.
[10:04] <ako_> I have some problems with bluebird theme, can anyone help me please?
[10:05] <Sysi> ask a question and see if someone knows
[10:05] <ako_> When I change the theme from Greybird to Bluebird, the controls become ugly, as if there is a problem like missing a library or something
[10:05] <ako_> how can I find out what is wrong?
[10:05] <ako_> I am using 11.10
[10:07] <Sysi> on all apps?
[10:07] <ako_> no
[10:07] <ako_> (I think) only those coming from gnome
[10:07] <ako_> like Evince
[10:07] <Sysi> then that's because bluebird lacks gtk3-part which some apps use
[10:08] <ako_> Can it be fixed?
[10:10] <Sysi> sudo cp -r /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-3.0 /usr/share/themes/Bluebird/
[10:11] <Sysi> check paths with pressing tab for autocompletion
[10:12] <ako_> Sysi: Thanks, that fixed it! :)
[10:15] <Sysi> now they look like greybird, should be a lot better anyway
[10:53] <CaptainKnots> how do I disable tap to click on a touchpad in 11.10?
[11:21] <xubuntu465> any opinions between abiword and libreoffice?
[11:22] <xubuntu465> as in does abiword cut it?
[11:22] <knome> depends what you are trying to achieve
[11:22] <knome> abiword is good for basic word processing and a bit more too.
[11:23] <xubuntu465> sweet, thats exactly what I wanted to know, thanks
[11:23] <knome> np
[11:24] <xubuntu465> so are you a xubuntu user? You like it?
[11:26] <CaptainKnots> I use xubuntu on my netbook
[11:27] <Sysi> CaptainKnots: synclient TapButton1=0
[11:28] <Sysi> put that to autostart if you want
[11:30] <CaptainKnots> Sysi: thanks
[11:38] <CaptainKnots> Sysi: how do I add that to startup?
[11:38] <CaptainKnots> autostart*
[11:39] <Sysi> settings -> sessions and startup
[11:42] <CaptainKnots> brb
[15:06] <echoJONES> @find espn
[15:06] <Pici> echoJONES: Can we help you with something?
[15:13] <toluy> всем привет, а тут вообще русские сидят?
[15:13] <Sysi> !ru | toluy
[15:14] <toluy> ))) thanks
[15:17] <toluy> !ru | toluy
[15:46] <SirShmoopy> hello, i just switched to xubuntu from ubuntu and ran into an annoyance. every few minutes my volume level resets- there is a click as the speakers spike, and the sound is set to max regardless of previous state
[15:48] <SirShmoopy> i have my stereo hooked up to the main out on the mobo, running 11.10 with a fresh install, and so far the sound reset itself three times typing this
[15:51] <incorrect> how can i edit what gets started up by the 'launch gnome services on startup'?
[16:56] <incorrect> hi, i was messing around and i've broken the nm-applet appearing in the indicator, it now appears in the notification app
[18:20] <FiReSTaRT> hey guys, i have 2 panels on the bottom.. when i maximize windows, i'd like for them to reach the top of the "top" bottom panel.. currently they're reaching the top of the "bottom" bottom panel, so a part is obscured by the other panel.. is there a way to fix that?
[18:48] <ruslan_osmanov> is there a way to downgrade from gedit 3 to gedit 2?
[18:48] <ruslan_osmanov> hi
[18:51] <w30> what search term do I put in synaptic to find /dev/video0 and v4l devices?
[18:52] <xubuntu357> hey, guys!
[19:02] <urthmover> xfce4-terminal How can I make the links clickable?  right now I can right-click a link and select Open Link.....but I'd like to click it from the terminal window.....How can I accomplish this?
[19:03] <Myrtti> try pressing ctrl at the same time
[19:03] <urthmover> Myrtti: hmm nope doesn't work
[19:04] <urthmover> Myrtti: was worth a try though
[19:04] <Sysi> middleclick works
[19:04] <urthmover> Sysi:  yep that works...
[19:04] <urthmover> Sysi: ok I guess I'll remember how to do that .... would be nice to figure out how to configure the left click though
[19:05] <Sysi> too bad it's same for xorg quickpaste..
[19:05] <urthmover> ah
[19:58] <Velophile> Hi all...anyone know if the all the indicator applets are supposed to work in xfce4's indicator plugin? specifically the power and network ones
[20:48] <CiPi> Velophile, sudo apt-get install indicator-multiload
[20:48] <CiPi> I don`t know if all, but this is the best one I find...
[20:49] <Velophile> Thanks, that'll show traffic and system load, the one I'm after is a replacement for Wicd or Network-Manager, it's called indicator-network and uses connman under the hood
[20:56] <Crash_O-D> Anyone know what resources are needed for reg ubuntu?
[20:57] <Pici> Crash_O-D: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[20:57] <Crash_O-D> Thanks pici
[20:57] <Pici> np
[20:59] <Crash_O-D> I just installed xubuntu and got error in grub no such device entering rescue mode
[21:00] <Crash_O-D> I am installing it on a second drive in my laptop
[21:19] <carloss> i have a webserver running on my xubuntu box.  my phone is on the same network and i'd like for my phone's browser to hit that web service.  how do i do this?
[21:20] <Unit193> Your phone is on WiFi I'd assume? If so, type in the IP of the computer. What browser on the phone?
[21:21] <carloss> xscope
[21:21] <carloss> Unit193:
[21:21] <carloss> i'm having no luck
[21:21] <Unit193> I take it you got the correct IP? Type ifconfig   at a terminal to confirm
[21:22] <carloss> inet addr: is the one i want, right?
[21:22] <carloss> or bcast?
[21:23] <Unit193> inet
[21:23] <Unit193> Did you try with another computer?
[21:25] <carloss> no luck, Unit193
[21:25] <carloss> "web page not available"
[21:26] <crazymutex> are you able to connect to the web server from the server itself?
[21:26] <carloss> ya, crazymutex
[21:26] <carloss> firewall related?
[21:26] <crazymutex> that's a start
[21:27] <crazymutex> you're sure the phone is on the same network as the server?
[21:28] <carloss> yup
[21:28] <carloss> i've tried from another laptop on my network, also
[21:29] <crazymutex> and?
[21:29] <carloss> same thing
[21:29] <carloss> just spins
[21:30] <carloss> dns related?
[21:30] <crazymutex> you got a firewall
[21:30] <crazymutex> on server
[21:31] <carloss> crazymutex: my firewall settings are weird.  they say i can enable certain applications to pass through firewall onto my machine
[21:31] <crazymutex> or your web server doesn't listen on INET for some reason (weird config?)
[21:31] <crazymutex> what
[21:31] <crazymutex> are you using the IP of the server to connect to it?
[21:31] <carloss> ya
[21:31] <crazymutex> why do you mention dns?
[21:31] <carloss> never mind i guess
[21:32] <crazymutex> firewall where? on the xubuntu box?
[21:34] <carloss> oh, i was looking at firewall for my router
[21:34] <carloss> there's two that i need to worry about?
[21:35] <hacker11> Hi guys
[21:35] <hacker11> Is this the official Xubuntu channel?
[21:36] <Myrtti> yup
[21:36] <hacker11> Nice
[21:36] <hacker11> Just started using it and I'm really enjoying it
[21:37] <Myrtti> great \o/
[21:38] <Crash_O-D> Lol i would try and enjoy it if dang grub error. Trying to install again. On 2nd hdd in laptop. Since windows on first drive
[21:38] <hacker11> I was getting errors with Ubuntu and Kubuntu but Xubuntu seems fine so far
[21:39] <carloss> crazymutex: yup.  had to enable incoming traffic from xubuntu
[21:39] <Crash_O-D> I had ubuntu working but need lighter resource version why trying xubuntu
[21:39] <carloss> thanks!
[21:40] <hacker11> Yeah ubuntu is pretty intensive, but it should be better for my now that I have a new Bulldozer.
[21:42] <teknoduke> hi o/
[21:42] <hacker11> Hi
[21:43] <GridCube> hi
[21:43] <Crash_O-D> I keep getting into grub rescue saying error no such device
[21:44] <GridCube> did you moved your sata ports?
[21:44] <Crash_O-D> No
[21:44] <GridCube> mmhm
[21:45] <Crash_O-D> if I can I get into windows backup windows in just install on that drives
[21:46] <hacker11> Hmm
[21:47] <Crash_O-D> anyone know how to get back into the windows bootloader?
[21:47] <TheSheep> fdisk /mbr
[21:47] <Crash_O-D> under the grub rescue?
[21:47] <GridCube> no
[21:47] <TheSheep> no, under window
[21:47] <TheSheep> s
[21:48] <GridCube> using your windows installation disk
[21:48] <Crash_O-D> I cannot get into windows because of the grub recovery mode
[21:49] <Crash_O-D> that oughta be fun to find a windows disk
[21:49] <Crash_O-D> Thanks though
[21:51] <hacker11> Do developers ever come on this channel?
[21:55] <GridCube> yes
[21:56] <GridCube> as a matter of fact most of them are here now
[21:56] <GridCube> well not "here" they might be iddle
[21:56] <GridCube> :P
[21:59] <Crash_O-D> I'm using windows 764 bit and I'm under the command prompt on the cd and fdisk not recognized
[22:02] <GridCube> you need to use the recovery option at the boot
[22:05] <Crash_O-D> bootrec /fixmbr to fix it. and since windows boot record had ubuntu list and I just clicked on that any booted into xubuntu
[22:05] <GridCube> :)
[22:07] <Crash_O-D> Thank you google
[22:07] <Crash_O-D> Thanks for help with windows and mbr helped me to figure what to do
[22:08] <GridCube> :)
[22:10] <Crash_O-D> has anybody had experience with enlightment? I heard it uses less resource is then x f c e
[22:11] <Crash_O-D> sorry I'm using irc on my phone
[22:12] <Crash_O-D> Why in xfce it does not need proprietary drivers when needed them in ubuntu
[22:18] <crazymutex> fluxbox !!!
[22:23] <Crash_O-D> Fluxbox? Is why i dont need special drivers
[22:33] <GridCube> Crash_O-D, xfce doesnt use fancy graphic stuff, so it can be handled with standard drivers
[22:34] <DoverOs> 4D drivers
[22:35] <Crash_O-D> will it still be able to do dual monitor? because I haven't hdmi out port.
[22:36] <Crash_O-D> I have hdmi out
[22:37] <DoverOs> i don't see why it wouldn't
[22:37] <DoverOs> don't take my word for it : D
[22:37] <DoverOs> u could just configure it in gfx or something
[22:42] <Crash_O-D> is there a way to make it when I hit delete a file that it confirms I want to delete
[22:46] <DoverOs> Crash_O-D: get kde : p or something
[22:47] <Crash_O-D> Thanks, but need low resources
[22:47] <DoverOs> use your trashcan


[22:09] <hugegreenbug> I have a problem with the debconf frontend. I'm tring to use it for a remastered ubuntu and it crashes when trying to install packages. It seems like that is due to the partitioner never being initiated. Is this a known issue/limitation to the debconf frontend? Thanks.
[22:42] <cjwatson> Unlikely actually to have much to do with the debconf frontend itself, which is a pretty generic thing.  I suspect something else has gone wrong and the frontend is just the thing that happens to notice and crash.
[22:46] <hugegreenbug> ok, i'll investigate further
[22:52] <hugegreenbug> well, do you have any idea why the partitioner wouldn't launch from the debconf frontend, but it does from the others? If I check the ubi-partman plugin, I do not see a class for the Debconf frontend, but I do for the others.
[22:54] <cjwatson> I think that's just plain not implemented
[22:55] <cjwatson> Given that it's not needed for oem-config, which is the only use case where ubiquity's debconf frontend is actually supported
[22:55] <hugegreenbug> ok, do how does one partition though the debconf frontend?
[22:55] <hugegreenbug> ok
[22:55] <hugegreenbug> i see
[22:55] <hugegreenbug> thanks
[22:55] <cjwatson> It's very likely not possible without significant (weeks at least) development.  If you need that maybe you should just use d-i?
[22:55] <hugegreenbug> ok
[22:55] <cjwatson> e.g. the installer used on Ubuntu server images
[22:57] <cjwatson> ubiquity wraps various underlying bits of d-i and presents them in ways more suitable for its context; for the debconf frontend it would probably need to be taught to pass things through in a rather plainer kind of way, since it's unlikely to be possible to do anything much fancier in that frontend than the underlying code offers
[22:58] <hugegreenbug> ok, i'll try out d-i
[22:58] <cjwatson> FWIW I was initially confused in replying to you since "debconf frontend" is a specific thing that's a part of debconf, whereas you're actually talking about the ubiquity "debconf" frontend which is a different thing and part of ubiquity :-)
[22:58] <hugegreenbug> sorry
[22:58] <hugegreenbug> i wasn't clear
[22:58] <cjwatson> Probably our fault for dodgy naming
[22:58] <infinity> cjwatson: Dodgy naming never happens.
[22:58] <infinity> *cough*core*cough*


[19:39] <nhaines> lynorian: you have an invitation to tomorrow's UbuCon planning meeting.  If you didn't get it, let me know and I'll send the direct link.
[19:40] <nhaines> Sorry I forgot.    (Still getting over the last of it, but I'm mostly functional this week.)
[22:36] <nhaines> Secret to getting canonical-livepatch to work on your server?  Run it with sudo.
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: did you want to potentially jump into the UbuCon calls, too?