[00:17] <MorkBork> still couldnt reproduce it with 24.43
[00:18] <MorkBork> so whatever's borked, it happened somewhere between 24.43 and 25.44
[00:38] <MorkBork> ive tried to look at nearly every commit that looks even remotely relevant
[01:03] <MorkBork> i guess ill try booting 25.44 with atapi_an=1
[01:03] <MorkBork> thats the only thing that seems generic enough to matter
[02:09] <MorkBork> about 40% though and no errors yet
[02:09] <MorkBork> although if libata.atapi_an=1 fixes it i have no idea why
[02:10] <MorkBork> typically the errors dont occur until 60-80ish though, but heres hopin'
[04:42] <MorkBork> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.32.y.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf874fa732c8499a46f2f63a9f973322241955a9;hp=6455cfc45fbc60febd57b52720aa949f48bff6c7
[04:42] <MorkBork> looks like that is what was causing the issue
[04:42] <MorkBork> i cant reproduce the errors with libata.atapi_an=1
[05:05] <bjf[afk]> MorkBork, please file a bug
[05:48] <MorkBork> with kernel.org or ubuntu?
[05:48] <MorkBork> i originally came here because i thought it might be ubuntu specific but it looks like it isnt
[07:13]  * abogani waves all
[07:14] <abogani> Any DKMS guru here? :-)
[07:15]  * RAOF knows a bit
[07:22] <abogani> RAOF: I installed nvidia-current on my laptop which use real time kernel. When it is installing I can see that all things go well for -generic. When it try to build for real time kernel it incur in troubles: It try to build two times the driver from the same kernel. So the second attempt protest "This driver was already built for this kernel" and dpkg exit failing
[07:22] <abogani> Could you suggest something?
[07:24] <RAOF> Do you have logs?  It's quite possible that the nvidia driver won't actually build properly against -rt.
[07:26] <abogani> RAOF: I have patched it and it works if I installed compiled driver manually.
[07:29] <RAOF> It might be more obvious with the dkms log.
[07:32] <abogani> Log file is on my laptop at home. Unfortunately now I'm at work. Which is exactly the log file /var/log/dkms.log, right?
[07:37] <RAOF> That should be it, yeah.
[08:03] <abogani> RAOF: Thanks.
[08:37] <lucent> hey I just hit what I think might be the firewire related bug that bit me last week, again
[08:38] <lucent> http://pastebin.com/FmyR1DWF
[08:38] <lucent> what's going on there is I have 2 firewire adapters, one is internal and one is expresscard
[08:39] <lucent> I unplug the storage device from the expresscard firewire adapter, then plug it in to the built-in one
[08:39] <lucent> what do I do now, though?
[13:05] <lucent> ping :)
[13:11] <smb> lucent, I am not sure I can tell you much you do not know already. I am not to deep in the firewire code. But apparently you disconnect your drive and it seems the cleanup is not complete. So when you plug it in again it tries to come up as sdb again, but it fails to even read the partition table from there.
[15:16] <abogani> http://trojmiasto.gazeta.pl/trojmiasto/51,35612,8465339.html?i=0
[15:51] <bjf> MorkBork, hey, if you are still around, file the bug with both ubuntu against the "linux" package and with upstream, we can tie the two together, also if you'd put the bug number in this channel, i'd appreciate it, thanks
[15:58] <tseliot> apw, smb: what command do you use to generate a kernel abi? Is there some script that does it?
[15:58] <tseliot> e.g. in debian.$MY_FLAVOUR/abi/2.6.35-5.0/i386/$MY_FLAVOUR
[15:59] <smb> tseliot, if you mean to get the abi files there is a script in debian/scripts/misc/get_abis. That requries the files to be uploaded though
[15:59] <tseliot> smb: yes, that's exactly what I meant to say
[16:01] <tseliot> smb: what shall I do if my kernel is based on maverick's? I have only created my own flavour starting from maverick -generic
[16:02] <tseliot> smb: it should be fine to use that script if I haven't changed anything else, I guess
[16:02] <smb> The files are also generated when you do a compile. So you could copy them for the flavor from the build
[16:03] <smb> I guess that flavor only is intended for i386 and amd64. So you not need to get compiles from porter
[16:03] <smb> s
[16:03] <manjo> bjf, do we have a meeting this week ?
[16:03] <tseliot> smb: yes, it's just for i386
[16:03] <bjf> manjo, that's what the channel topic says, and my email from yesterday (yes we do)
[16:04] <manjo> bjf, ah thanks ... sorry missed that mail
[16:04] <bjf> manjo, this will be the last one for this dev cycle, the next won't be until after plumbers
[16:05] <manjo> bjf, got it thanks!
[16:05] <smb> tseliot, actually, for the first run you would place ignore-abi and ignore.modules files to the right place in the abi directory
[16:05] <smb> tseliot, Which I have to look up myself, cause I forget everytime
[16:06] <smb> tseliot, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance#ABI should help there
[16:07] <bjf> ##
[16:07] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:07] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:07] <bjf> ##
[16:08] <tseliot> smb: right but I guess that's necessary if the files aren't on zync?
[16:11] <tseliot> smb: I built kernels ignoring the abi in the past but, since this branch will end up on zync, I was wondering if there's a way to generate proper abi files instead of overriding the abi check
[16:27]  * smb gets back
[16:27] <smb> tseliot, Right, that you basically do by run the compile once
[16:27] <tseliot> smb: ok, I'll do that. Thanks
[16:27] <smb> And then you find the abi files for that new version under debian.*/abi/i386/...
[16:27] <tseliot> right
[16:55] <bjf> smb,  there is the "xen typo" commit in <IP_ADDRESS> that i'd like to get applied, i've done it to ubuntu-lucid master branch and am doing a test build
[16:55] <bjf> smb, this needs to be applied to the ec2 branch and get a upload done right?
[16:56] <smb> bjf, Yes, it has likely the most impact for ec2
[16:57] <smb> bjf, What I am wondering about is whether we currently can or should rebase it
[16:57] <bjf> smb, normally we'd pick this patch up via a rebase of ec2
[16:57] <bjf> smb, how would you like to do it this time?
[16:58] <bjf> smb, we don't have a tag to rebase to right now
[16:58] <smb> bjf, Maybe for ec2 makeing a new upload with the same base and the patch on top would be best. It should resolve into nothingness when rebasing on top of a master that contains it.
[16:58] <bjf> smb, so just apply the patch to the tip of current ec2 and then do an upload with that, sounds good to me, i'll make it so
[16:59] <smb> bjf, Ok, yeah. Sounds like the best option for the moment
[16:59] <bjf> smb, that was my thinking as well, just wanted to dbl check
[17:01] <bjf> smb, in the rebase work that jj did it looks like that fix already got applied so nothing to do :-)
[17:02] <smb> bjf, Heh, perfect. Guess he fixed it on the fly then
[17:02] <bjf> smb, spoke too soon, just a sec
[17:02] <smb> oh ok
[17:02] <smb> It does not help that it is just a single letter added. :)
[17:03] <bjf> true :-)
[17:05] <bjf> smb, ah! ec2 has not been rebased with the stable update that was broken so the patch won't apply yet
[17:06] <jjohansen> heh, what is broken in ec2?
[17:06] <bjf> smb, that was in the most recent stable update which we have not done an upload for yet
[17:06] <bjf> jjohansen, nothing at this point
[17:06] <smb> Ah, so no action required either. And when we do, we have the whole set of patches to rebase to
[17:07] <jjohansen> ah, okay, then I won't feel obliged to stick around
[17:07] <bjf> smb, yup, but i've applied the patch to master and we'll be already when we next rebase ec2
[17:07] <smb> bjf, ack
[17:08] <bjf> jjohansen, nope, nothing to see here
[17:16] <lag> apw: Are you guys still around?
[17:17] <apw> lag hi
[17:17] <lag> apw: How easy would it be for you to create new new chroots on our build server?
[17:18] <apw> what you need
[17:18] <lag> natty
[17:18] <apw> on which
[17:18] <apw> there is no such thing
[17:19] <lag> Then how I compile for natty?
[17:19] <apw> there is no such thing ?
[17:19] <lag> Eh?
[17:19] <apw> natty doesn't exist yet so how could we build for it
[17:20] <apw> just build in maverick till the archive opens for natty
[17:21] <lag> Okay
[17:21]  * lag wonders how to fool his scripts into chrooting into a maverick chroot!
[17:22]  * apw has a line which does s/natty/maverick in his tooling
[17:22] <lag> Yeah, just doing the same thing here
[17:26] <penguin42> apw: That intel_ips bug - I wonder if the question that should actually have been asked was why can't it find that symbol?
[17:26] <apw> penguin42, do they have intel graphics ?
[17:27] <penguin42> apw: Isn't all that stuff for the i3/i5/small i7's that have combo graphics?
[17:29] <lag> apw: Would a symbolic link work? ln -s maverick-armel natty-armel
[17:29] <penguin42> apw: One of the reporters had an Acer Aspire 5820TG which is i7-620M (that has Intel graphics) but lists itslef as ATI Mobility Radeon
[17:40] <penguin42> apw: It could be a module load ordering problem or on a laptop with a choice of graphics cards depend which is in use
[17:40] <bjf> ##
[17:40] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 20 minutes
[17:40] <bjf> ##
[17:59] <bjf> ##
[17:59] <bjf> ## Meeting starting now
[17:59] <bjf> ##
[18:14] <rsalveti> ogasawara: cooloney: I updated bug 607250 with the sru
[18:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607250 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "omapdss: VDDA_DAC regulator on IGEPv2 (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 68)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607250
[18:14] <rsalveti> both patches are not applied upstream, so can be considered as sauce
[18:14] <rsalveti> ogasawara: do you want me to change the patch title or you can do that?
[18:14]  * rsalveti brb
[18:17] <ogasawara> rsalveti: I can do it
[19:00] <rsalveti> ogasawara: thanks :-)
[19:02] <cooloney> ogasawara, thanks for the omap things
[19:49] <njin> hello to all; in this case who is wrong, apport or python ?   apport[5800]: segfault at 10020 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>4542f3 sp 00007fffd9a4d670 error 4 in python2.6[400000+21a000]   Thanks
[20:02]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:16] <nou> what's ubuntu's equivalent for http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html ?
[20:18] <JFo> nou: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/
[20:25] <JFo> I like Debian's layout though
[20:25] <JFo> very easy to find things
[20:25] <nou> i guess what i need is a mix of BuildYourOwnKernel and KernelForIdiots
[20:26] <nou> btw i'm used to irc topics :-)
[20:27] <JFo> heh
[20:27] <penguin42> nou: The one I've used is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[20:28]  * JFo needs to look at that page
[20:28] <JFo> didn't know it existed
[20:28] <JFo> oh man that is old
[20:29] <nou> penguin42: i went on this one, i quite of stopped reading when i saw the "Also note that this page describes how to do things for the Edgy (2.6.17)" sentence
[20:29] <penguin42> nou: Keep reading, it works for them all
[20:30] <JFo> The disclaimer is right though
[20:30] <nou> makes me think of debian's cdebootstrap not knowing more recent than hardy :)
[20:31] <JFo> heh
[20:31] <nou> anyway, thx for your answers
[20:33] <stenten> Is there a place to download old kernels (2.6.35-16 specifically) to see where a bug was introduced?
[20:35] <nou> using the git repository might be a way
[20:36] <stenten> I found the source as a tar file, but the packages have been taken down; I'm assuming they're not archived somewhere?
[20:37] <JFo> stenten, we have been discussing the utility of having an "old kernel storage"
[20:37] <JFo> but I think I remember there being a repository somewhere that we kept them for a time
[20:37] <JFo> not 100% on my memory though
[20:37] <JFo> and I can't find the link I thought I had
[20:38]  * JFo digs some more
[20:38] <stenten> hmm, maybe in the kernel-ppa? I'll search around, thanks....
[20:38] <JFo> I really need a better link library
[20:38] <JFo> stenten, nope looked there already
[20:38] <stenten> heh
[20:38] <JFo> I thought it was a LP link
[20:39] <stenten> I think I found the line in the changelog that probably caused the bug, so I'll just ask them to revert the config option in -22 and test it.
[20:40] <JFo> stenten, sounds good
[20:40] <stenten> thanks for your time, JFo~
[20:40] <JFo> stenten, my pleasure as always :)
[22:52] <manjo> anyone know when the kernel tracks will be up on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n ?


[18:53] <KonaRichard> I tested My Mint CD and it works on streaming. Where do I get the software to install with this CD instalation to get on the internet browser?


[13:31] <julius86> Hi ! I've just got a big problem with Lubuntu. I did a lot of updates yesterday (except the kernel) and, today, I cant connect with LDM !
[13:32] <julius86> It just come back on the screen of LDM whatever I do. Even if the password is fine
[13:32] <julius86> I just have no idea how to solve this. There are no error messages either...
[13:37] <julius86> ok... I've just found the problem. no more disk space :)
[18:35] <Sardo_Numpsa> Hi. I want to install Lubuntu on my laptop but last time I tried I could not boot due to some complication due to EUFI and gave up.
[18:35] <Sardo_Numpsa> Any advice on how I can avoid these kinds of problems?
[18:35] <Sardo_Numpsa> This time
[19:23] <christo_m> hello i cant seem to find the power management settings
[19:23] <christo_m> to disable suspend and power off


[16:54] <k1l> !mir
[16:55] <ogra_> heh
[16:55] <k1l> is there an idea to update this bot factoid to be used in #ubuntu and other core channels?
[16:55] <ogra_> well, the "slated for inclusion" shoudl definitely be re-worded
[16:56] <ogra_> (and it should mention that it is used as default on the phones)
[16:57] <k1l> yeah, if you have an idea give it a go :)  but we only have limited space on the irc protocol, so the whole mir history wont fit ;p
[16:59] <ogra_> well, thats more a kgunn team job i think
[17:01]  * alan_g wonder where the bot gets its "facts"
[17:02] <k1l> most are manually set.
[17:12]  * alan_g wonder where
[17:13] <k1l> by the irc team
[17:13] <k1l> the mir factoid is from 2008 and was last updated 2013
[17:13] <ogra_> geez ... 6 years
[17:15]  * alan_g wonders
[17:16] <k1l> *3
[17:17] <ogra_> k1l, 3 ?
[17:18] <k1l> it was changed/updated 2013.  so 3 years :)
[17:18] <ogra_> created 6 years ago
[17:18] <ogra_> :)
[17:19] <k1l> 2008 is 8years ago :)
[17:19] <ogra_> god ... i should stop working :P
[17:19] <ogra_> indeed 8
[17:19] <alan_g> Missed retirement?
[17:19] <ogra_> lol, kind of
[17:20] <k1l> ogra_: is still living in the good old 2014 days :)
[17:20] <alan_g> Age does that to memory
[17:20] <alan_g> ;)
[17:21] <alan_g> So, if we come up with a better fact how do we change it?
[17:23] <k1l> propose it in #ubuntu-irc
[18:22] <kgunn> ogra_: indeed...been on my todo list, cause alan_g|EOD alreay pointed it out like 3 weeks ago
[19:45] <alan_g|EOD> kdub: I didn't point out the bot factiod (I dodn't know about it then). But it is part of the same public info problem
[19:47]  * kdub thinks that msg was for kgunn ?
[19:55] <kgunn> i'm sure kdub  :)


[12:43] <CarlosMazieri> popey:   are you there?
[12:49] <popey> CarlosMazieri: heya, sorry, not had a chance to update file manager, will set aside some time.
[12:51] <CarlosMazieri> popey:  OK thanks, please do it.
[15:49] <MCMic> Is there any attempt at supporting KDE connect on Ubuntu touch?
[16:09] <ferdie> Hey, guys!
[17:31] <sandy_> hello guys
[17:33] <sandy_> I have a dell venue 8 pro 3845 running windows 10 home 32 bit version.I want to try using Ubuntu Touch on this device but my device is not on the list of supported devices
[17:34] <sandy_> Is there any to get Ubuntu Touch running on this device??


[00:06] <rickspencer3> robbiew, Daviey either of you guyses around?
[00:06] <micahg> does the server install come with langpacks by default?
[00:06] <rickspencer3> hey all, micahg is asking becuase of bug #800857
[00:08] <rickspencer3> basically, if you are running natty, and you have lang pack installed ....and you do a dist-upgrade
[00:08] <rickspencer3> the result is that Firefox will get installed
[00:08] <rickspencer3> it's a packaging bug that micahg has already fixed and is uploading the fix now
[00:08] <rickspencer3> is this something we need to urgently let server users know about?
[00:16] <rickspencer3> SpamapS, hey
[00:17] <SpamapS> rickspencer3: howdy!
[00:18] <rickspencer3> he SpamapS
[00:18] <rickspencer3> I just wanted to draw your attention to this issue ^
[00:18]  * SpamapS looks at the server seeds
[00:19] <SpamapS> I don't see any direct dependency on it
[00:20] <SpamapS> ii  language-selector-common 0.34.1                   Language selector for Ubuntu Linux
[00:20] <SpamapS> Thats all I see on my natty servers
[00:21] <micahg> SpamapS: there's no language-pack-* installed?
[00:21] <SpamapS> micahg: no there's no need
[00:22] <micahg> ok
[00:23] <rickspencer3> SpamapS, I can't invite you to #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:24] <SpamapS> rickspencer3: I don't think its necessary
[00:24] <rickspencer3> SpamapS, well, they are asking questions about server
[00:24] <SpamapS> ah
[00:49] <dkn> getting /bin/sh: if-up: not found failed to bring up br0
[00:53] <dkn> trying to get a bridge for kvm to run off of my bond 5 interfaces in
[00:55] <dkn> http://pastebin.com/7PkiKeFu
[01:04] <dkn> bah..... took out the pre-up if-up bond0 works great
[01:21] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey all!
[01:34] <lifeless> hallyn: SpamapS: so arch (and uname -m) reports x86_64 inside the i386 lxc
[01:35] <lifeless> if you guys have ideas for fixing that (for example, running /sbin/init under linux32) that would be good
[01:37] <hallyn> lifeless: yes, but go ahead and gcc a file that does sizeof(int)
[01:37] <hallyn> lifeless: arch and uname -a use uname(2) output.  we can't forge that.
[01:37] <hallyn> but you're running 32-bit, and compiling 32-bit apps
[01:37] <lifeless> hallyn: man linux32
[01:38] <lifeless> hallyn: we very much can forge uname output :)
[01:39] <hallyn> jcool, guess that's how schroot does it
[01:39] <hallyn> i see no reason why we can't have lxc-start run linux32
[01:39] <hallyn> will have to see how it does it
[01:40] <hallyn> lifeless: i'll hack that in tomorrow
[01:40] <lifeless> would you like a bug report ?
[01:40] <hallyn> lifeless: how about just a comment on the existing one?
[01:40] <lifeless> sure
[01:40] <hallyn> lifeless: thanks for the tip :)
[01:40] <hallyn> somebody wasn't thinking
[01:41]  * hallyn points at himself
[01:42] <lifeless> commented
[01:42] <hallyn> thx
[01:45] <hallyn> does it really just set sys_personality?
[01:46] <hallyn> guess i'll just do that
[01:53] <Ursinha> lifeless is everywhere
[01:53] <lifeless> hallyn: sudo lxc-start -n lucid-test-lp -d usr/bin/linux32 sbin/init
[01:54] <lifeless> hallyn: gets me thr right arch when I then ssh into it ;)
[01:54] <lifeless> Ursinha: hola :>
[01:54] <hallyn> lifeless: exactly, except i thin ki'd prefer to use setarch manually
[01:54] <hallyn> lifeless: i don't understand, though, why uname -a works then
[01:54] <Ursinha> lifeless: hiya
[01:54] <lifeless> hallyn: be my guest, I'm just hacking around till you catch up :>
[01:54] <hallyn> in the kernel code, it doesn't look like it should work
[01:55] <lifeless> hallyn: uname -a
[01:55] <lifeless> Linux lucid-test-lp 2.6.38-9-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 28 15:23:06 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:56] <hallyn> lifeless: right, and strace it and it just calls uname().  Which should just copy the uts_ns->utsname contents
[01:56] <hallyn> now maybe glibc is helping out
[01:57]  * lifeless is happy w/magic
[01:57] <hallyn> heh
[02:04] <lifeless> hallyn: oh yeah, where should I report the lxc-stop no working thing ?
[02:04] <lifeless> I presume its the cgroup thing ?
[02:05] <hallyn> lifeless: against lxc.  it's a cgroup thing, but a bug in lxc
[02:05] <lifeless> new bug, or in the 'broken by cgroup' bug ?
[02:05] <hallyn> what is the broken by cgroup bug?
[02:05] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/784093
[02:06] <hallyn> yeah i think it's the same thing.  Just a different aspect of it.  What he describes inthe description would be worked around by SpamapS' config.
[02:07] <hallyn> but it is that bug, just comment in there that lxc-stop doesn't work.
[02:07] <lifeless> I have spamaps config
[02:07] <hallyn> right
[02:07] <lifeless> will do
[02:07] <hallyn> thx
[02:07] <hallyn> killing my client now, ttyl
[02:07] <lifeless> ciao
[02:15] <twb> It's not "broken"; the user just needs to mount ANOTHER cgroup with "lxc" instead of "none" as its source device
[02:16] <twb> At least, that's my ten-second diagnosis
[02:17] <twb> IIRC lxc looks through /proc/mounts for cgroup mountpoints, it picks the one called "lxc" or otherwise the first one it finds.
[04:11] <hallyn> lifeless: do'h, that was easier than i thought, lxc already does the right thing, you just need 'lxc.arch = i686' in the config file.
[04:11] <hallyn> will push that to ppa tomorrow.  gnight.
[04:13] <twb> You do?
[04:13] <twb> Pretty sure I'm not doing that
[04:15] <lifeless> hallyn: ahha!
[04:15] <lifeless> hallyn: thanks for digging
[05:34] <airtonix> I installed samba4 package and it's missing the samba-tool to create new users in the samba4 active directory.
[06:35] <queso> What's with the recent update to grub that requires you to say "Yes" to continue without installing grub in order to continue with the upgrade, when in fact, grub is installed and being upgraded?
[06:35] <queso> (lucid)
[11:43] <RoyK> how can I change the default shell in ubuntu?
[11:43] <RoyK> not chsh, but the default used by useradd
[11:44] <RoyK> erm - found it - /etc/default/useradd
[13:10] <ScottK> jamespage: I didn't do it this time since I didn't want to step on what you'd already done, but for bugs like 789810 where it's clearly a misconfigured system I tend to turn them into questions and follow-up that way.  It gets them off the bug list, but the user still gets help.
[13:14] <jamespage> ScottK: that sounds like a good idea - I tend to subscribe to the bug just in case the user needs any help but that does sounds like a better method.
[13:15] <ScottK> jamespage: It might be something to discuss at a server team meeting as a team 'best practice'.
[13:16] <Daviey> ScottK: good thought..
[13:16] <ScottK> Thanks.
[13:17] <ScottK> I believe that a large fraction of server bugs are really support requests (even if the user filing them doesn't know this)
[13:17] <Daviey> ScottK: The only issue could be, is the first response normally is "it looks like this, can you confirm?" <-- at that state, it could still be a bug.
[13:18] <ScottK> Daviey: That's true for some things, but some like the postfix error 75 invalide hostname ones are clearly misconfigured systems.
[13:18] <Daviey> ScottK: Yeah, that is true.  Or issues that are never going to get fixed at the distro level.
[13:18] <Daviey> Or never going to be able to provide enough information to have a useful bug report.
[13:19] <ScottK> In the case of 789810 it's also clearly a misconfigured system and the error log even tells you exactly how to fix it.
[13:20] <Daviey> ScottK: BTW, Ursula is going to be doing some analysis on our bugs to help see where the issues are.  The idea of a 'best pratice' is a great one.
[13:20] <ScottK> Getting SpamapS to do his work item on the postfix exit 75 bug pattern would be a help...
[13:20] <Daviey> ScottK: what are your thoughts on things like bug 800651?
[13:20] <Daviey> err, wrong one
[13:21] <Daviey> bug 795500, rather
[13:23] <ScottK> Daviey: You're kinder than I am.  I'd have marked that one invalid since it's not an Ubuntu kernel and so he's doing something unsupported.
[13:23] <ScottK> Daviey: Who's Ursula?
[13:24] <Daviey> ScottK: From the Launchpad QA team, joining ~ubuntu-server.
[13:24] <ScottK> Oh.  I didn't know.
[13:25] <ScottK> (you all picked the one day a week I'm pretty reliably offline and in $work meetings for the server team meeting)
[13:25] <Daviey> ScottK: it hasn't  been announced yet. *oops*.
[13:26] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:26] <Daviey> ScottK: The meeting time and date is more of a problem than ever before, as those that have to be there are on a wider TZ split than previous cycles.
[13:27] <ScottK> Yep.
[13:27] <Daviey> And near the begining of the week IMO, is better - as there is still time to work on stuff before people forget over the weekend :)
[13:27] <ScottK> Since I'm kind of in the middle of the split, time is less of an issue for me than the day.
[13:28] <Daviey> Although, if it enables more people to attend - the idea of rotating days wouldn't hurt so much.
[13:29] <Daviey> Perhaps Tue/Wed rotation.
[13:29] <ScottK> I'm not sure what's best.
[13:30] <ScottK> Rotation can (equally) confuse people and cause them to miss the meeting.
[13:30] <Daviey> true.
[13:30] <ScottK> I'm not pushing to have it changed for my sake.  I know whatever day/time is picked will be bad for someone.
[13:31] <Daviey> ScottK: Well trying to be as accomodating to everyone.
[13:31] <ScottK> Sure.  I appreciate that.
[13:46] <zul> morning
[13:49] <zul> jdstrand: i am going to put up the new libvirt for you so you can have a look at this libvirt problem that im having (newer libvirt) if that is ok
[13:50] <th0mz> how could i get the cpu utilisation of modules please ? (kernel space, not user land/procss)
[13:52] <Daviey> hey zul
[14:02] <patdk-wk> th0mz, build a profiling kernel?
[14:03] <th0mz> patdk-wk: like with systemtap ?
[14:03] <th0mz> somebody point me this link
[14:03] <patdk-wk> dunno :)
[14:04] <patdk-wk> it's been like a decade since I last cared to do it
[14:04] <th0mz> erf
[14:04] <th0mz> oki ;)
[14:08] <jdstrand> zul: joy
[14:08] <zul> jdstrand: exactly
[14:10] <jdstrand> zul: where is it
[14:12] <zul> jdstrand: ~chucks/libvirt on chinstrap
[15:38] <z3ro> hello everyone
[15:38] <z3ro> anyone can help me ?
[15:38] <Pici> Ask a question, potentially get an anwer.
[15:38] <Pici> answer even.
[15:39] <z3ro> i already have install ids
[15:39] <z3ro> how can i alert that ids alert file automatic..
[15:39] <z3ro> means..
[15:40] <z3ro> if i use ehco command..
[15:40] <z3ro> where need i put that file to autorun everytime alerts detect
[15:48] <hallyn> Daviey: hey
[15:48] <hallyn> Daviey: can you push http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4-0ubuntu11/lxc_0.7.4-0ubuntu11.dsc  for me?
[15:48] <hallyn> In return, I promise, within the next month, to apply for upload rights to the server set :)
[15:58] <stgraber> Daviey, hallyn: uploaded
[15:58] <hallyn> stgraber: thanks!
[15:58] <stgraber> np, and yes, apply for PPU :)
[15:58] <hallyn> stgraber: haha, now i dn't have to apply for upload rights?  :-)
[15:58] <hallyn> zounds!
[15:59] <hallyn> hm, no zul
[15:59] <hallyn> is he out looting or something?
[15:59] <stgraber> :)
[16:00] <stgraber> you just had to mention his nick for him to appear
[16:00] <hallyn> lol
[16:00] <hallyn> irc is not race-free it seems
[16:01] <hallyn> zul: when I get the tempalte stuff straightened out, i'm gonna have to look into poweroff with lxcguest not always working.  I think we're overmounting under /var again.  (you needed that for libvirt or something)
[16:01] <hallyn> zul: so i'm just sayin', if you have a few minutse where you're bored and want to look, feel free.  Else I'll get to it.  Should probably open a bug
[16:01] <zul> hallyn: i didnt think i have a problem with but i havent tested recently
[16:02] <hallyn> zul: it was sporadically happening for meyesterday, but it's possible the laptop was just objecting to stress
[16:02] <zul> hallyn: ah ok
[16:02] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, I think I"m going to add '-t [debootstrap|uec]' to the lxc-ubuntu template and pull in your lxc-natty-uec stuff
[16:03] <hallyn> so long as you're nto doing any special post-processing, this should be fine
[16:03] <jdstrand> hallyn: may I ask what you are referring to? (the stress thing)
[16:03] <stgraber> hallyn: I was wondering, can't we just ship with a generic lxc-ubuntu template script and have symlinks for the various versions? then we can just check $0 to know what $dist to use
[16:03] <hallyn> jdstrand: once in awhile yesterday, when I did 'poweroff' in a container, it wouldn't shut off, i'd have to lxc-stop it.
[16:04] <jdstrand> I see
[16:04] <hallyn> stgraber: that's waht i have now :)  check lxc-users mailing list, or ppa:serge-hallyn/lxc-natty,
[16:04] <stgraber> hallyn: nice!
[16:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: i didn't have time to watch the pattern, was creating containers like mad,
[16:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: I hit that infuriating guest instability bug yesterday
[16:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: (kvm)
[16:04] <hallyn> jdstrand: oh, in kvm?
[16:04] <hallyn> man
[16:04] <jdstrand> hallyn: and thought you started hitting it
[16:05] <hallyn> wish we could get to the bottom of that
[16:05] <jdstrand> yes
[16:05] <hallyn> no
[16:05] <hallyn> i've never had it
[16:05] <jdstrand> anytime I go on wireless, boom. though it has happened other times, that is a very easy trigger here
[16:06] <hallyn> stgraber: code is at https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/oneiric/lxc/update-templates fwiw
[16:07] <hallyn> jdstrand: remind me, you've reproduced this with qemu.git ?
[16:07] <hallyn> If so, I"d say we should pull in aliguori and Avi
[16:09] <hallyn> out for a bit, bbl
[16:19] <jdstrand> hallyn: not qemu.git. I am currently still on natty
[16:39] <jbwiv> guys, is there any sort of centralized mgmt tool for ubuntu-server akin to Red Hat's spacewalk? (spacewalk.redhat.com)
[16:41] <zul> jbwiv: have a look at http://landscape.canonical.com
[16:41] <jdstrand> zul: fyi, I can reproduce the libvirt issue. what is happening is the dynamic profile isn't being created
[16:41] <jdstrand> zul: I don't know why yet
[16:42] <zul> jdstrand: cool
[16:42] <zul> jdstrand: good im not going crazy then
[16:42] <jdstrand> well, that isn't the word I would use
[16:42] <zul> jdstrand: heh
[16:45] <jbwiv> zul: was hoping for something open source ;-) any idea what pricing landscape has?
[16:45] <zul> jbwiv: no check the website
[16:46] <jbwiv> zul, yes, did. no pricing listed. I'll contact them. thx
[16:48] <altice> quick question about TFTPD if no one is busy?
[16:48] <jbwiv> altice, don't ask to ask ;)
[16:49] <altice> haha, sry, just being polite
[16:49] <altice> anyways
[16:49] <altice> so i loaded up xinet and TFTPD and the client, and can turn up xinet services (I have made the tftp file in the xinet dir to turn on tftpd server), however.......I cannot get it to actually turn up or work?
[16:49] <altice> followed a tutorial online
[16:52] <altice> also, if I do a "netstat -anp" I can see that socket 69 has been opened.....so, not quite sure where that leaves me to T-shoot the prob
[16:53] <altice> anyone have any ideas? or feel like pointing me to some reading material that an obvious google search has not given me?
[16:54] <altice> @jbwiv ; looks like everyone is busy hmm?
[16:55] <jbwiv> altice, busy, or not sure of the answer ;)
[16:56] <altice> nahhh, I'm sure someone knows. I'm sure it's something silly I'm doing like in the tftp server config file or something
[16:57] <altice> oh well, I'll try another room :) someone msg me if you have any thoughts on it
[16:57] <altice> thanks all
[17:05] <Zajjko> Just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and now the system halts during boot (during or after Stopping System V runlevel compatibility)
[17:05] <Zajjko> I never get an <OK> prompt on that line
[17:06] <Zajjko> Starting grub-loader, booting to rescue-mode and choosing resume normal boot works though
[17:09] <simstim> hi! im looking for some help installing a usb nic to server 11.04
[17:09] <patdk-wk> open computer, shove into slot, turn computer on, use nic
[17:09] <patdk-wk> oh usb :)
[17:10] <simstim> lol :3
[17:10] <patdk-wk> shove in slot, hope linux has drivers for it :)
[17:10] <patdk-wk> what model?
[17:10] <simstim> lemme check...
[17:11] <simstim> its a cisco linksys. not totally sure on the exact model?
[17:11] <patdk-wk> exact model helps
[17:12] <simstim> i'll search it
[17:12] <patdk-wk> it doesn't say on it?
[17:14] <patdk-wk> I have a very old one at home
[17:15] <simstim> usb300m. not much more than that :\
[17:16] <patdk-wk> that the new/current one
[17:16] <simstim> pretty sure
[17:17] <simstim> i think it saw it when it asked to which if to config during intsall, but i dont know how to access it from there
[17:17] <patdk-wk> it should just work
[17:18] <simstim> since its usb, will it not show up in ifconfig?
[17:18] <patdk-wk> only active ones show up I think by default
[17:18] <patdk-wk> what does lsusb show?
[17:20] <simstim> the usual linux ports, then...
[17:21] <simstim> port005: uniclass tech
[17:21] <patdk-wk> grep eth /var/log/messages
[17:22] <simstim> no such directory
[17:22] <patdk-wk> heh?
[17:24] <simstim> there is no log directory in var
[17:24] <patdk-wk> logs?
[17:25] <patdk-wk> grep eth /var/logs/messages
[17:25] <patdk-wk> na it's log
[17:25] <patdk-wk> what is wrong with your system?
[17:25] <simstim> i dont know D:
[17:25] <simstim> its a fresh install of 11.04 so i havent done anything to it yet
[17:26] <simstim> there were more entries on lsusb, should i post them too?
[17:26] <patdk-wk> lsusb | pastebinit
[17:26] <patdk-wk> will do it
[17:26] <patdk-wk> assuming you have pastebinit installed
[17:27] <simstim> im not on the serv atm, i have to roll back and forth from it :x
[17:28] <simstim> thet other entires were from asix electronics and genesys logic. 2.0 usb 4 port hub
[17:31] <simstim> oh, that asix is the one i think
[17:37] <jdstrand> zul: I think I found the commit that broke stuff
[17:37] <zul> jdstrand: oh? url
[17:39] <jdstrand> zul: http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commitdiff;h=12317957ecd6c37a2fb16275dcdeeacfe25c517e#patch9
[17:39] <jdstrand> zul: problem is, it is a redesign issue
[17:39] <jdstrand> zul: so I need to dig in more
[17:39] <jdstrand> (ie, it isn't something we could just revert)
[17:39] <zul> jdstrand: cool thanks
[18:54] <stgraber> zul: hey! I just noticed bug 801259
[18:55] <stgraber> zul: a bit weird as the package is already in main :)
[18:55] <zul> stgraber: yep
[18:55] <stgraber> zul: I had it promoted for LTSP: bug 686045
[18:55] <zul> doh!
[18:55] <stgraber> so apparently you did all the paperwork for nothing ;)
[19:10] <jetole> Hey guys. Does anyone know if there is a way to specify interface order in /etc/network/interfaces for which devices will be brought up first and brought down first? I'm asking because I am putting a bridge on a vlan on a bond and therefor the bridge needs to come up first and the vlans needs to come up second and then the two bridges need to be brought up
[19:11] <RoyK> jetole: have you tried with the standard config?
[19:12] <RoyK> if that doesn't work, I guess not marking them as "auto" might be the thing, and then upping them manually in a separate script later
[19:13] <warzauwynn> jetole: from "man interfaces": "ifup brings  the  named  interfaces up in the order listed"
[19:13] <warzauwynn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/interfaces.5.html
[19:14] <SpamapS> jetole: have you looked at ifenslave ?
[19:14] <SpamapS> jetole: its specific purpose is to handle complicated bonding configurations.
[19:18] <jetole> RoyK, warzauwynn and SpamapS: thanks.
[19:18] <jetole> warzauwynn: I didn't realize it brought up the interfaces in the order listed so that is great to know
[19:19] <jetole> SpamapS: yes I have to use ifenslave for bonding but I'm not sure how that would related to which order the interfaces are brought up or it would have anything to do with bridging and vlans
[19:19] <warzauwynn> jetole: me neither, but that's the beauty of google.  http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+interfaces+order
[19:22] <SpamapS> jetole: hrm, you're right, its not useful for bridges.. I just lumped all those wwords into 'bonding' in my head..
[19:23] <SpamapS> jetole: from 'man interfaces'  "ifup brings the named inter‐ faces up in the order listed.
[19:23] <SpamapS> hahahaha
[19:23]  * SpamapS reads backwards
[19:23] <SpamapS> warzauwynn: well done :-P
[19:23] <warzauwynn> :D
[19:26] <Daviey> lynxman: Regarding -stomp, were you looking at removing the hard coded paths?
[19:26] <Daviey> (and using the unversioned symlink?)
[19:26] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah, apart from trying to make it build properly
[19:26] <lynxman> Daviey: the unversioned symlink is by far not a problem though :)
[19:27] <Daviey> lynxman: Are you happy to carry on, or wanna push a branch with what you have?
[19:27] <lynxman> Daviey: I think we got it almost hammered now
[19:27] <jetole> SpamapS: yeah thats what warzauwynn mentioned but I didn't realize. I have read that man page a handful of times but not any time recently. I didn't remember ever seeing that and didn't think to read it again which was a mistake on my part so sorry guys
[19:28] <Daviey> lynxman: rocking
[19:28] <lynxman> Daviey: now the packages are there, but erlang client fails :)
[19:28] <Daviey> lynxman: erland is overated. :)
[19:30] <lynxman> Daviey: deffo
[19:31] <Daviey> erlanG even more so
[19:31] <lynxman> Daviey: yeah I don't know who that Erland guy is :D
[19:31] <Daviey> :)
[19:34] <zul> erlang is over rated
[19:35] <zleslie> Hi
[19:36] <zleslie> So I am trying to get natty to pxe, which I have done for all other versions without issue, but for some reason, when I go through the install from the pxe images, the system fails to boot.
[19:37] <zleslie> I thought it might be my preseed or something has changed with preseed between maverick and natty, but I also did a manual install using the pxe images and the system is still failing to boot after manual install
[19:37] <zleslie> Anyone know if I am overlooking something simple here?
[19:37] <zleslie> Seems odd, since I have been able to do this without issue on older versions of ubuntu
[19:37] <zleslie> I got the images from mirrors.kernel.org
[19:43] <zleslie> Hmm,
[19:43] <zleslie> dead channel?
[19:52] <hallyn> is there a rackspace irc channel?
[19:53] <hallyn> hm, there is
[19:56] <jdstrand> zul: ok, after discussing with upstream, I have a preliminary patch
[19:57] <jdstrand> zul: I'm going to have to test it and have them review it
[19:57] <zul> jdstrand: ack
[19:57] <jdstrand> zul: so it is going to be a while
[19:57] <zul> jdstrand: no worries
[19:57] <jdstrand> zul: they reorganized things in an incompatible way with the apparmor driver
[19:57] <zul> hah
[21:55] <mbrinson> Anyone have any good resources online (Google hasn't turned up anything useful for me) for troubleshooting boot issues for ubuntu?  I'm doing a standard server install with software raid1 (set up following the official ubuntu docs) and I am unable to boot after getting past the grub boot screen.  It proceeds to a black screen and then after another 20 seconds or so the monitor enters standby mode (amber light)
[21:55] <mbrinson> Forgot to mention - 11.04
[21:56] <mbrinson> and x64  (on an asus TS100-E6
[22:01] <mbrinson> I actually just attempted SSH connection to it and I am able to connect.  So it does look to be just an issue with the vga output.
[22:02] <mbrinson> I'm just really surprised to discover that because I figured there wouldn't be any vga issues because I'm just at runlevel3 (no gui launched)
[22:02] <mbrinson> I guess I'll go google a bit on that.
[22:02] <mbrinson> Wow, IRC is useful.
[22:03] <mbrinson> Is anyone alive in here?
[22:09] <mbrinson> Anyone else had experience installing ubuntu on an asus ts100-e6 server system?
[22:09] <mbrinson> It's installed sucessfully, but then after getting past the grub boot screen I get no vga output.  Black screen.  I am able to SSH into the box.
[22:29] <hallyn> stgraber: this is getting comical.  i'm about to have to send out a patch 5/2
[22:34] <hallyn> yay, finally got it all working again.
[22:34] <hallyn> now on to cgroups-bin
[22:40] <luite> is there an easy way to install a package and its dependencies in some directory? (so that it can be used in a chroot. It shouldn't be a complete install)
[22:50] <stgraber> hallyn: hehe :)
[23:41] <SpamapS> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/mysql-5.5_5.5.13-1.html
[23:41] <SpamapS> So... close... :-D
[23:43] <lifeless> -8 ?
[23:47] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: ping


[00:00] <ObrienDave> did you re-download the live ISO?
[00:00] <twoofthree> yes
[00:00] <twoofthree> did they remove that feature like a day ago?
[00:01] <ObrienDave> i have noticed a different menu system also. not sure what the last one was called
[00:02] <twoofthree> i simply cant tell the difference between XFCE and XUbuntu and this bothers me. is it a glitch is it right lol
[00:02] <ObrienDave> run "run a program" that has a search type function
[00:02] <ObrienDave> afaik, XFCE and Xubuntu logons are the same
[00:02] <twoofthree> if they are the same then why offer two?
[00:03] <twoofthree> all im saying is, i cant tell the difference with my eyes
[00:03] <ObrienDave> i don't know
[00:03] <twoofthree> and it has me worried
[00:03] <ObrienDave> why worried? it works, yes?
[00:03] <twoofthree> system has 2 icons in it using Xubuntu, XFCE is has like ten
[00:03] <twoofthree> what does that mean lol
[00:03] <twoofthree> this is most confusing experience
[00:04] <brainwash> it basically only matters the first time you log into the session
[00:06] <ObrienDave> i suppose it's so you can have 2 different desktop layouts. you can have more than one or two DEs available
[00:06] <ObrienDave> oh well ;P
[00:10] <xubuntu512> So I am trying to install conky and I got to the end of the set up where I have to create a text document, but I can't create it.  When I do new --> document, it give me the prompt to give the file a name, but after that nothing happens.  However when I tried to create the file again, it said that the file was already there...
[00:14] <Azelphur> xubuntu512: press ctrl+h in the file browser, it's hidden.
[00:16] <xubuntu512> well that was easy...thanks!
[00:35] <twoofthree> hello. does anyone know the command to remove the xfce power manager?
[00:36] <ObrienDave> ummm, why do you want to do that? not recommended
[00:36] <twoofthree> this pc is always on ac power
[00:36] <twoofthree> seems useless
[00:41] <ObrienDave> arbitrarily removing system packages is not a good idea. it's not hurting anything to be there
[01:12] <seg> hi -- low volumes over a USB DAC using spdif. Having a hard time finding relevant search results, anyone familiar?
[01:21] <seg> fixed with hda-analyzer. thanks
[02:30] <xubuntu866> Hello, I installed Xubuntu 14.04 64 bit, I saw that 14.04.01 has been released, am I going to get that update too?
[02:30] <holstein> xubuntu866: yes.. you can just update as you please, or open a terminal and use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to be updated to the current packages
[02:31] <xubuntu866> so I have to run a "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to get the latest version?
[02:31] <xubuntu866> Is it a reccomended procedure?
[02:31] <holstein> xubuntu866: no
[02:32] <holstein> xubuntu866: as i said, you can just update as you do.. the update manager, or whatever.. or, you can do that right now and update
[02:33] <xubuntu866> Ok, thank you holstein.
[06:43] <Slit> Hi! Could some one help me with two issue - with setting the menu items and automatically connecting to wi fi.
[07:06] <knome> Slit, ask your question; if somebody knows the answer, they will most probably reply
[07:33] <Slit> Ok knome. I can't reorder menu items on my xubuntu 14.04. Can somebody help me with that?
[07:34] <knome> please try to be more specific with your problem; how can you not, what have you tried to do to reorder them?
[07:37] <Slit> I just right click on menu -> Edit applications-> Accessories. Then I move up in that folder About me. Nothing shows in Menu when I do that.
[08:21] <toInfinityandBey> hello friends! anyone here to help me?
[08:21] <toInfinityandBey> my issue is minor. i need help installing directx with playonlinux :D
[08:21] <knome> toInfinityandBey, ask your question; if somebody knows the answer, they'll most likely reply
[08:21] <toInfinityandBey> :D
[08:21] <knome> i'd ask the playonlinux support for that question
[08:21] <toInfinityandBey> thers a playonlinux chan?
[08:22] <knome> i don't know, but i bet they have some kind of support method available
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> ah i think its a really easy issue but i am just a newbie and a bit stupid
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> do you care to look at the issue if i post the line?
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> I haven't gotten CS:GO working yet (same error that you had), but I did fix the keyboard issue in Ricochet (I was just using this to test since it was only a 250MB download). Make sure to do the following in PlayOnLinux config:
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> - Install dxfullsetup
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> - Install DirectInput
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> - Under Display:
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> -- Set GLSL to "enabled"
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> -- Set Direct Draw Renderer to "opengl"
[08:22] <toInfinityandBey> -- Set Strict Draw Ordering to "enabled"
[08:22] <knome> i'm not familiar with playonlinux
[08:22] <knome> !pastebin | toInfinityandBey
[08:23] <toInfinityandBey> my problem is.. .how do i install dxfullsetup and those others lol
[08:23] <toInfinityandBey> oh sorry didnt mean to breakthe rules, my bad
[08:23] <knome> i really don't know, but i imagine you need to install them inside playonlinux like any other software
[08:24] <toInfinityandBey> BTW : Thanks to garandil , hes a really good supporter / helper on this channel who saved my linux
[08:24] <knome> this channel really isn't your best bet on getting support with your issue (even if it's ok to ask)
[08:24] <toInfinityandBey> hm yea true il look around ,i  just been trying to get cs go working but
[08:24] <toInfinityandBey> really i want minecraft working first anyway, just trying to find some good settings for it
[08:25] <toInfinityandBey> because i just play feed-the-beast mod , but the fps is bad at the moment he  he
[08:25] <toInfinityandBey> but it sucks because my card is r9 280x sapphire vapor, and theres no drivers i can find that will work, it just uses the radeon hd 7970 which is basically the same card but its not -_-
[08:26] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, shut down all other internet accessing apps (looking at you firefox) to reduce that load.
[08:26] <toInfinityandBey> now i read a lot how ppl say its a lot easier to use nvidea with linux than amd -_-
[08:26] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, that is true
[08:26] <cfhowlett> !nvidia
[08:26] <toInfinityandBey> cant afford it though i just paid like $400 for this card a few months ago and its really good card
[08:27] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, AMD is not well-supported.  live with it.
[08:27] <toInfinityandBey> :D
[08:27] <toInfinityandBey> do you play any games on linux cfhowlett ?
[08:28] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, steam games, yes.
[08:28] <toInfinityandBey> nice.
[08:28] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, but my card is intel and the intel driver just came out.  pretty sad before that, but now much better.
[08:28] <toInfinityandBey> cool, im hoping , well i read that from gaben himself
[08:28] <knome> toInfinityandBey, cfhowlett: general chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic please
[08:28] <toInfinityandBey> he is planning to make cs go to linux
[08:28] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, steam is getting better and better about linux game support.  suggest you take a look.
[08:28] <toInfinityandBey> ok sorry
[08:29] <cfhowlett> !steam
[08:29] <toInfinityandBey> awesome! thanks
[08:29] <cfhowlett> !wine | toInfinityandBey, wine is also an option
[08:30] <toInfinityandBey> i use wine with playonlinux . is there another way to use wine?
[08:30] <toInfinityandBey> !virtualizer
[08:30] <toInfinityandBey> !vertualizers
[08:30] <toInfinityandBey> ffs -_-
[08:31] <toInfinityandBey> !wine
[08:31] <cfhowlett> toInfinityandBey, same outcome.  playonlinux is just the gui for wine.  might be possible to run some apps in !vbox.  install windows, install game, play
[08:31] <knome> toInfinityandBey, please remember that this is a family-friendly channel
[08:31] <ssamot> Hello - ever since I upgraded to 14.04 lid suspend seems to do something to the screen which kills i3 (the window manager I use). Never had any problems with suspend/resume and the laptop lid in previous versions of xubuntu
[08:50] <twoofthree> hello. When i  mouse over the volume icon using XFCE and choose sound settings, nothing opens. What can i do to repair this ?
[09:33] <Uatec> hi there
[09:34] <slickymasterWork> !hi | Uatec
[09:34] <Uatec> i installed xubuntu on my ubuntu server, and installed xrdp to connect to it as a remote desktop...
[09:34] <Uatec> but for some reason they keyboard layout is all messed up, (the symbol keys and the tab key are mapping to random things)
[09:35] <Uatec> so i look in Settings>Keyboard to change the layout, but all the drop downs are empty, no options for Model or Layout
[09:35] <Uatec> how can i install a new (correct) layout?
[09:43] <twoofthree> hello. i seem to have lost the volume icon , can anyone tell me how to get it back please?
[09:43] <twoofthree> xfce*
[09:46] <ObrienDave> look for "indicator plugin"
[09:47] <twoofthree> i have , i cant seem to get it back no matter what i do
[09:47] <Uatec> what have you done?
[09:47] <twoofthree> i removed and reinstalled pulse audio
[09:48] <ObrienDave> do you have a mail or battery icon?
[09:48] <twoofthree> i wil settle for resetting the taskbar to default and starting over, if possible
[09:48] <twoofthree> i do not, i removed those while ago before this was an issue
[09:49] <ObrienDave> right click on the taskbar, panel, add new items, add indicator plugin
[09:50] <twoofthree> done.i have the envelope and power icon back, no volume
[09:50] <brainwash> install indicator-sound
[09:51] <ObrienDave> right click mail or power icon, properties. sound menu should be there
[09:52] <twoofthree> not present ObrienDave
[09:52] <twoofthree> brainwash, how please. sudo apt-get install indicator-sound did not work
[09:52] <ObrienDave> then what brainwash said
[09:53] <twoofthree> would logging in and out work or must i restart?
[09:53] <brainwash> relogging is enough
[09:53] <ObrienDave> says something about restarting panel. try a relog
[09:54] <twoofthree> it is not back.
[09:54] <twoofthree> can i just like, start from scratch some how?
[09:55] <brainwash> installing indicator-sound did not work? any error output?
[09:55] <twoofthree> how do i install it. sudo apt-get install indicator-sound did not nothing
[09:56] <Uatec> i must have done something
[09:56] <Uatec> it must have given either an error or a confirmation
[09:56] <twoofthree> moment
[09:56] <brainwash> twoofthree: it did nothing means that the package was already installed?
[09:56] <brainwash> check with "apt-cache policy indicator-sound"
[09:56] <twoofthree> its working. willreboot. sorry
[09:57] <twoofthree> will relog* to check
[09:58] <twoofthree> i have the volume icon back, a big thanks
[09:58] <twoofthree> should i be concerned that clicking "sound settings" does nothing?
[09:59] <ObrienDave> it does not work for me either
[09:59] <twoofthree> ok, ty
[09:59] <twoofthree> would a purple icon next to startup entries mean they are not working?
[10:00] <ObrienDave> where do you see that
[10:00] <twoofthree> Sessions and Startup. next to some items. Others have icons
[10:01] <twoofthree> perhaps purple icon means "command"
[10:01] <ObrienDave> does it look like a gear inside the icon?
[10:02] <twoofthree> hard to say, so tiny. its purple and like a diamon or a box on its di
[10:02] <twoofthree> ssome change in color towards bottom right
[10:02] <twoofthree> side*
[10:03] <ObrienDave> name something next to the icon
[10:03] <brainwash> twoofthree: the sound settings menu entry requires pavucontrol to be installed. reinstall pavucontrol if it is missing
[10:03] <twoofthree> indicator application, indicator power, indicator sound,polic kit authentication agent,pulese audio system etc..
[10:04] <twoofthree> would the comamnd be sudo apt-get install pavucontrol brainwash ?
[10:05] <twoofthree> ty brainwash , already newest version
[10:05] <twoofthree> xfce volume daemon (pulseaudio) is also purple icon
[10:05] <ObrienDave> those icons are probably just a default icon if the app has none defined
[10:06] <twoofthree> ty ObrienDave
[10:06] <ObrienDave> i have a gray box with a gear inside for the same ones you described
[10:06] <twoofthree> il enable them all and disable them all and see what happens
[10:06] <ObrienDave> NO! just change icon sets
[10:07] <james0r> i've got a little issue with the nm-applet, i removed the indicator applet, not a big fan, and run the nm-applet at startup. didn't find this to be a problem before but now after i suspend it won't connect to networks properly. finds the networks but won't connect
[10:07] <twoofthree> ok ObrienDave  :)
[10:16] <james0r> yikes, now i can't get it to do it. seems to be only on long suspends
[10:18] <ObrienDave> !find nm-applet
[10:20] <ObrienDave> where did you get that package?
[10:21] <james0r> not sure actually. i thought it was pre-installed
[10:21] <james0r> it might be network-manager-gnome
[10:23] <ObrienDave> i don't have it. let me look
[10:24] <ObrienDave> i have network-manager-gnome, that file is not installed
[10:29] <taropalo> james0r: it is part of network-manager-gnome
[10:30] <james0r> taropalo, okay. so it would have been installed already eh?
[10:30] <taropalo> yes /usr/bin/nm-applet
[10:30] <james0r> i just realized that if i enable the original "Networking" option in Autostart i get the applet. I swear this wasn't working before that's why i disabled "Networking" and added my custom nm-applet line. but it's working now
[10:31] <james0r> not sure if it will have problems after a long suspend like before, i guess i'll have to wait and see.
[10:31] <ObrienDave> wait and see
[10:32] <james0r> not sure where i got the string to exec, but i was running nm-applet --sm-disable &, in my custom autostart line
[10:32] <james0r> not sure what --sm-disable does
[10:32] <ObrienDave> if you're not sure, why are you using it?
[10:33] <james0r> ObrienDave, i took it from a forum and probably understood at the time i imagine.
[10:33] <ObrienDave> o i c
[10:34] <james0r> this is my 3rd install of xubuntu 14.04 and i tweak it out so quickly that i don't pay enough attention.
[10:35] <james0r> do people find the indicator applet that useful? i started with a version of mint that i don't remember having it and after swtching over to xubuntu just didn't understand the benefits.
[10:36] <james0r> some quirky behavior with it too, skype takes an extra click and seems like a couple other things.
[10:36] <james0r> minor i suppose
[10:39] <ObrienDave> well, that's a common issue we hear a lot. "why does it not behave like X system". because it's not X system
[10:48] <james0r> i'm on 14.04.1, is there a ppa to upgrade to the newest whisker menu?
[10:50] <ObrienDave> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-whisker-menu-1-4-on-xubuntu-14-04-xubuntu-13-10-xubuntu-12-04-and-linux-mint-17-linux-mint-16-and-linux-mint-13-using-xfce/
[10:51] <james0r> ObrienDave, awesome. thanks.
[10:51] <james0r> i dig the categories on the left so looking forward to the newest version
[10:51] <ObrienDave> yea, i kinda like it also
[11:25] <Aurvandill> hello
[11:26] <ochosi> !hi | Aurvandill
[11:26] <cfhowlett> ochosi, !never saw that factoid before.  nice.
[11:27] <ochosi> yup, saves lines
[11:29] <ObrienDave> and fingers
[11:34] <Aurvandill> i'm not here for help ;)
[13:55] <garandil> Any hints as to how to set HDMI as the default audio out device?
[14:20] <GridCube> garandil, you can either, disable the analog output on the last tab of pavucontrol, or select the audio stream to go through hdmi while the stream is running and it will remember for said applications
[14:20] <GridCube> this is what i would recommend
[17:39]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[17:40] <knome> m3n3chm0, ?
[17:40] <m3n3chm0> hello !
[17:40] <knome> hello
[17:41] <m3n3chm0> any option to disable the annoying systray notification icon for chromium/chrome ?¿
[17:42] <m3n3chm0> i've tried all tricks on chrome://flags... without success :/
[17:46] <brainwash> m3n3chm0: head over to #chromium-support, maybe someone there knows how to disable it
[17:47] <m3n3chm0> ok, thanks brainwash
[18:33] <xubuntu374> hi
[18:35] <xubuntu374> Im user of xubuntu latest version. GParted says that my sda1 where i was installing my system is extended partition when i was making a normal partition 0.o
[18:36] <xubuntu374> first partition is ext4 with instaled system on it and second one is undefined fs and 500mb
[18:36] <xubuntu374> what it is ?
[18:36] <xubuntu374> 0.o
[18:43] <Gus81> Hello, I speak Spanish, sorry for my english... A question... How hidde icons for XFCE desktop?  Sorry! I'm using Google translator
[19:00] <elfy> yep, different altogether :)
[19:07] <Gus81> Yes, i'm testing XFCE... A question, as change the color theme of the menu whisker?
[19:08] <elfy> Gus81: no idea here
[19:10] <Gus81> you do not know?
[19:10] <elfy> no - sorry
[19:12] <Gus81> Ok, no problem :)
[19:12] <Gus81> Thanks anyway :)
[19:12] <elfy> :)
[19:48] <m3n3chm0>  Lock screen when sleeping.. is failing
[19:48] <m3n3chm0> the screen locks :(
[19:49] <m3n3chm0> i tried all steps found on google, all is disabled but still locking the screen and request password when the screen going to sleeping..
[19:49] <m3n3chm0> any clue guys ? :)
[20:03] <brainwash> m3n3chm0: which steps exactly?
[20:03] <brainwash> you can disable screen locking via settings manager > light locker settings
[20:11] <m3n3chm0> OUCH
[20:11] <m3n3chm0> brainwash thanks a lot, i never go to that menu :S it's enabled...
[20:11] <m3n3chm0> i had tried session manager and other steps in energy ...
[20:11] <m3n3chm0> thank you
[22:00] <xubuntu532> When will 14.04.2 be ready ?


[01:24] <greg-g> I finally found an excuse to use the <blink> tag in a blog post! http://blog.grossmeier.net/2012/04/15/learning-arduino/
[01:24] <rick_h> hah, how did you end up with that?
[01:25] <rick_h> awesome idea
[01:26] <rick_h> I can understand howt he toys are crazy. I tried to stay away from too much noise stuff
[01:46] <snap-l> greg-g: Send a note to the manufacturer that the toy is defective.
[01:46] <snap-l> "It plays drums like a white country music fan"
[01:49] <snap-l> rick_h: I think I figured out a way to do the json file for my playlists without sniplate
[01:49] <snap-l> create a small script to read the id3 tags off of a series of flac / mp3 files.
[01:50] <snap-l> should be a day project
[02:01]  * snap-l is finally fed up with Miro
[02:02] <snap-l> using gpodder now
[02:05] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, something to json just screams script me
[02:25] <snap-l> http://derivativecrafts.blogspot.com/2012/04/ogre-mk-v.html
[12:06] <snap-l> Morning
[12:06] <rick_h> morn
[12:08] <brousch1> mo
[13:06] <snap-l> btw: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct has been updated.
[13:06] <snap-l> Expect the trout-slapping to increase
[13:07] <snap-l> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/04/16/code-of-conduct-update/
[13:08] <brousch1> oh great, now we have to be agile
[13:16] <brousch1> '''Leadership in the broader interest'''  We expect that leaders hold the interests of the team and the Ubuntu community above those of themselves, their employer, and other projects.
[13:16] <brousch1> It looks like I won't be leading anything Ubuntu
[13:17] <ColonelPanic001> heh, no kidding
[13:17] <ColonelPanic001> "sorry boss, fire me if you must, I'M GOING TO THIS BUGJAM"
[13:17] <brousch1> at least it doesn't say above their god or country
[13:17] <ColonelPanic001> Everyone knows I only do that for WSULUG
[13:17] <ColonelPanic001> ;)
[13:19] <snap-l> Yeah, that needs some rewording
 Colonel Panic, go forth and teach thy peers to worship the One True God
 K later God, I have to go do some questions on Launchpad Answers
 OMG wtf
 *sunglasses* Deal with it.
[13:29] <ColonelPanic001> I fear one day, my language abilities will devolve to being capable of expressing ideas only as internet memes.
[13:34] <jrwren> i don't know that internet meme
[13:39] <snap-l> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/deal-with-it
[13:46] <snap-l> rick_h: What was the command that creates setup.py for Python?
[13:47] <snap-l> Not having much luck with Google.
[13:47] <rick_h> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/modern-package-template
[13:47] <snap-l> ty
[13:48] <rick_h> np, it's good stuff
[13:48] <rick_h> start every bit of code with that, there are a few examples in packages I wrote at MP that use it
[13:50] <jrwren> thanks, I'll check that out too!
[13:54] <brousch1> ug, this computer is driving me nuts. brb
[13:55] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, nice to start out projects consistantly and you start out being able to do python setup.py sdist ootb
[14:01] <snap-l> Hm, PasteDeploy 1.5 has a key error on setup.
[14:03] <snap-l> Looks like a bug in the python I have on 11.10
[14:06] <rick_h> snap-l: doh, sorry. Paste the traceback?
[14:06] <snap-l> One sec
[14:06] <rick_h> snap-l: also try the install again, I have had that happen lately for some reason
[14:06] <snap-l> Trying it again in another virtualenv
[14:08] <rick_h> what's the latest in editing text fields in vim for firefox? jrwren greg-g ?
[14:10] <snap-l> CTRL-C / CTRL-V
[14:10] <snap-l> ;)
[14:10] <rick_h> bah
[14:11] <snap-l> rick_h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/pip.log
[14:14] <rick_h> hmmm just chcked that I've got 1.5 here
[14:15] <snap-l> 11.10?
[14:15] <rick_h> oh hmm, that was pastescript throwing the error not deploy it looks like
[14:16] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, try running it again if you haven't
[14:16] <rick_h> in the same venv
[14:16] <snap-l> wtf
[14:16] <rick_h> because the traceback seems to imply that pastedeploy got installed, but that pastescript when trying to reference it failed
[14:16] <rick_h> so guessing there's some race condition there
[14:18] <snap-l> Yeah, it's working now
[14:18] <snap-l> weird.
[14:18] <rick_h> ok yea
[14:18] <rick_h> cool
[14:25] <snap-l> btw: In case someone is wondering if the Penguicon traffic regarding room parties applies to the release party
[14:25] <snap-l> registration in this case means having the room party registered with the con
[14:26] <snap-l> The hotel liaison helped us set up the release party location
[14:26] <snap-l> They're aware of it
[14:27] <snap-l> The hotel is VERY strict on keeping things quiet, so if a party erupts on a quiet floor, or the party isn't previously approved, the hotel will boot them from the con.
[14:27] <snap-l> period.
[14:28] <snap-l> So I don't foresee any problems.
[14:28] <snap-l> Unfortunately, if you're planning on attending the release party, you'll still need to have a day pass for Penguicon.
[14:28] <snap-l> Which is something we'll need to discuss in the future.
[14:44] <jrwren> rick_h: i'm not even sure what you are asking. the latest in editing text fields in vim for firefox?
[14:45] <rick_h> jrwren: I get a version breackages notice for itsalltext
[14:45] <rick_h> and there's a few diff plugins
[14:45] <rick_h> so curious what people are using and figured you might be using something
[14:46] <jrwren> ah, I don' tuse that plugin.
[14:47] <jrwren> i really should use a vim kb plugin for FF, but I've not yet.
[14:47] <rick_h> jrwren: k, sorry to bug you :)
[14:51] <jrwren> lol, i like it when you bug me.
[14:51] <jrwren> nag me to increase my nerd levels
[14:58] <jcastro> rick_h: your gear come in yet?
[14:59] <rick_h> jcastro: no, UPS man comes late...so probably will be late night bleeding session for me tonight :)
[15:00] <snap-l> Sounds like fun. ;-P
[15:00] <rick_h> oh yea...can't wait lol
[15:00] <snap-l> Y'know, some people pay good money for pain
[15:03] <rick_h> this damn split url bar search bar in FF is maddening
[15:04] <snap-l> God, this site is retarded.
[15:04] <snap-l> https://www.provena.org/stmarys/body_psmhfoundation.cfm?id=578
[15:05] <snap-l> The javascript makes it so you can't send in a donation under $100
[15:25] <jrwren> rick_h: what equipment did you get?
[15:26] <rick_h> jrwren: shaving stuff?
[15:27] <rick_h> http://goo.gl/PlN31
[15:27] <jrwren> ah, nice.
[15:27] <rick_h> http://goo.gl/EkvO2
[15:27] <jrwren> ah, you might have liked the longer handled model razor.
[15:27] <rick_h> so I went back and forth on that
[15:27] <jrwren> its same exact merkur heavy duty, but with a longer handle
[15:28] <rick_h> supposedly the long handle is cool, but should make moving harder?
[15:28] <jrwren> you'll probably adjust to the short handle and be just fine.
[15:28] <rick_h> yea, I figured short handle == more agile perhaps?
[15:28] <rick_h> but we'll see
[15:28] <jrwren> oh wow, that looks like a nice brush and a great deal too.
[15:28] <rick_h> I did think about it and debate back/forth
[15:28] <jrwren> i have a travel model wiht a short handle and i adjust to it just fine when I travel.
[15:29] <rick_h> k
[15:29] <rick_h> I've not gotten a stand yet and if I end up with two razors I'll get the 4 place stand/holder
[15:29] <rick_h> and just deal with it, but whatever
[15:29] <rick_h> it's a start to try out
[15:29] <jrwren> i didn't get a stand until much later.
[15:29] <jrwren> all of these items are nice htings for wives to buy husbands so i just let janice get 'em for me.
[15:29] <jrwren> wishliste 'em or whatever.
[15:29] <jrwren> good fathersday gifts ya knwo.
[15:30] <rick_h> yea, true
[15:30] <jrwren> travel one I have: http://www.amazon.com/Merkur-Travel-Razor-Chrome-Plated-Leather/dp/B001LY5WZ2/ref=sr_1_53?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1334590214&sr=1-53
[15:30] <rick_h> nice
[15:30] <jrwren> even shorter handle, but its cool, it screws apart in 4 pieces.
[15:31] <jrwren> yeah, folds down to very small for travel.
[15:31] <rick_h> what soap/etc do you use? That seems to be the big giant whole to fall into
[15:31] <jrwren> and TSA has never paid it notice
[15:31] <rick_h> hah, cool
[15:31] <jrwren> i use wahtever soap i have around.
[15:31] <jrwren> wife got me some very fragrant soap i'm using now.
[15:31] <rick_h> ah k
[15:31] <jrwren> but in the past I've used fragrant stuff that I snag from hotels
[15:32] <rick_h> really?
[15:32] <jrwren> yup, really anything works.
[15:32] <rick_h> oh cool, didn't realize that.
[15:32] <jrwren> its just if you really want to spoil yourself you get the stuff with that a.... acid   can't remember the a word
[15:32] <jrwren> it makes your face tingle and feels real nice.
[15:32] <rick_h> gotcha
[15:32] <brousch> does it linger? i used aftershave a couple of times, but it made my coffee taste like windex
[15:32] <rick_h> yea, more worried about stuff that'll sud/hold water well I guess
[15:32] <jrwren> acetic maybe?
[15:32] <jrwren> nah, it doesn't linger.
[15:33] <brousch> i seriously thought someone poured ammonia in the coffee machine. dumped it out and made a new pot
[15:33] <rick_h> ouch
[15:33] <jrwren> brousch: GROSS
[15:33] <brousch> yeah, so no smelly aftershave now
[15:34] <jrwren> i did enjoy the soap that was in jorge's picture. that came in the black plastic container.
[15:34] <jrwren> it was very nice.
[15:34] <rick_h> yea, I got a thing to start with that's like that
[15:36] <jrwren> that lasted me a long time
[15:36] <jrwren> 6-9mo IIRC
[15:37] <rick_h> yea, I figure at the end of a few weeks I'll have an idea how it works out and what to look at going forward
[15:37] <jrwren> *nod*
[15:37] <jrwren> maybe you will like lots of fragrance, maybe you won't.
[15:37] <jrwren> maybe you will like the luxury of a nice soap, maybe you won't.
[15:38] <jrwren> or maybe you won't care enough to care about the fancy soap <-- me
[15:38] <jrwren> i like it when it is there, but i don't go out of my way to get it.
[15:45] <rick_h> hah, need to start up a new podcast on shaving. jcastro can star in it
[15:46] <jcastro> COUNT ME IN
[15:46] <greg-g> alright, who has an X-series 9-cell lenovo battery they want to sell me? :) no luck here for the last few weeks http://outlet.lenovo.com/accessories/batteries.html
[15:47] <jcastro> greg-g: come to UDS, I might give you mine
[15:47] <jcastro> my x220 isn't becoming travel friendly anymore, too much shell damage
[15:47] <rick_h> smoser: you going to UDS?
[15:48] <jcastro> rick_h: if you don't have a stand don't let the brush sit upright like that when it's  drying off
[15:48] <rick_h> ouch, shell damage? what did you do to the thing
[15:48] <snap-l> jcastro: Dude, what the heck?
[15:48] <jcastro> rick_h: supposedly you don't want water down by the knotty end of the brush over long periods of time
[15:49] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, figured getting it all up there would be bad
[15:49] <rick_h> I'll get a stand, just going to wait a few days of trial first
[15:49] <jcastro> laying it on it's side should do the trick, heh
[15:49] <rick_h> yea, or rig to hang it via string/something for a bit
[15:49] <brousch> you need a special fan and sanitizing gel to make sure it stays clean
[15:49] <jcastro> hahaha
[15:49] <rick_h> I'm already afraid of the brush after seeing posts about the smell of them to start with
[15:50] <jcastro> mine smelled a little bit for the first 3 times
[15:50] <jcastro> that was it
[15:50] <jcastro> it's not like, OMG, I AM DYING.
[15:50] <brousch> an autoclave will work too
[15:50] <snap-l> I am feeling very facially hair challenged.
[15:51] <greg-g> jcastro: yay! I will! (though, admittedly, I won't be there the whole week, but I'll be there for part of it)
[15:52] <jcastro> I have the small battery too
[15:52] <jcastro> greg-g: I need the laptop for UDS but towards the end?
[15:53] <greg-g> sure thing, when are you leaving town?
[15:53] <jcastro> that saturday morning
[15:53] <jcastro> so the Friday perhaps?
[15:53] <greg-g> yeah, def that Friday I'll be there
[15:54] <greg-g> just added to my calendar, 5pm - Midnight "Get laptop battery from jorge, etc"
[15:54] <greg-g> ;)
[15:55] <snap-l>  s/Get laptop battery/Try to find Jorge to find that window of time to get laptop battery/
[15:56] <greg-g> yeah, exactly :)
[15:57] <greg-g> hah, this diff really isn't very helpful at all http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/revision/17
[15:58] <snap-l> greg-g: Maybe we could do a git merge. ;)
[15:58]  * greg-g snickers
[15:58] <snap-l> It looks on the surface like they made it less verbose.
[16:00] <greg-g> right, but, as I've learned talking to lawyers and politicians, you have to watch every single word because once it is gone and you agree to a version, it is near impossible to get it back (if you care about that word, that is)
[16:00] <jrwren> the more i use desktop linux, the more i hate it :(
[16:00] <greg-g> aww man, such a nice response from an All Hands Active person on my blog post, too bad I can't go take him up on the offer: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2012/04/15/learning-arduino/
[16:01] <jrwren> i really like the new brush smell
[16:01] <jrwren> why do I have to hold the mouse button down in menus?
[16:01] <jrwren> shouldn't 1 click leave it open and let me click my selection?
[16:04] <greg-g> jrwren: it does in gnome-shell :)
[16:06] <jcastro> that sounds odd jrwren
[16:09] <jcastro> rick_h: heh! 9 minutes.
[16:09] <jcastro> rick_h: I shave around lunch time now
[16:09] <jrwren> jcastro: vnc session might behave differently?
[16:09] <jcastro> I am down to 3 passes, 9 minutes.
[16:10] <jcastro> jrwren: hmm maybe, I don't see why it would though
[16:10] <jrwren> 3 passes, 9 minutes, what does that mean?
[16:10] <jcastro> does it do that in other OSes?
[16:10] <jcastro> jrwren: 3 lathers and shaves
[16:10] <jrwren> oh damn. i just do a single pass and its good enough.
[16:10] <jcastro> jrwren: according to the guy-who-looks-like-Craig videos that's how you're supposed to roll
[16:10] <jcastro> oh, well, I am hairy too
[16:11] <jrwren> yeah, you always had the 5 oclock shadow at noon.
[16:11] <jcastro> indeed
[16:11] <jcastro> in the army I had to shave like 3 times a day
[16:11] <jcastro> it sucked.
[16:11] <jcastro> 6am, noonish, and then around 5ish if I was working at night
[16:11] <greg-g> jcastro: what?! really? 3x a day?
[16:11] <greg-g> wow
[16:11] <greg-g> army efficiency! (or something ;) )
[16:11] <jcastro> my brother is even worse, he shaves and you can't tell
[16:11] <rick_h> heh
[16:15] <jrwren> i always forget you are army
[16:54] <ColonelPanic001> greg-g is the Army?
[16:55] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: no, jcastro
[16:55] <ColonelPanic001> jcastro is the Army?
[16:56] <jcastro> no, WAS
[16:56] <smoser> rick_h, yes, going to uds. i arrive wed of previous week.
[16:56] <ColonelPanic001> then they had to form the DoD to replace him, I assume.
[16:57] <jrwren> once army, always army
[16:58] <greg-g> ColonelPanic001: I got it, don't worry :)
[17:08] <rick_h> qotd https://twitter.com/#!/garybernhardt/status/191935421738008577
[17:11] <jrwren> lol.
[17:11] <jrwren> i was actually running linux on the desktop in 1997
[17:11] <jrwren> and today I'm not.
[17:11] <rick_h> well the whole thread there is fun to watch a little bit
[17:11] <rick_h> it started out more with the estimated logevitiy of these node apps and such
[17:15] <jrwren> i only show one reply :(
[17:15] <greg-g> yay status net!
[17:15] <rick_h> jrwren: just check out gary's stream
[17:15] <rick_h> it wasn't all in a single thread, he just spurted out and ended up dragging it over several posts
[17:16] <jrwren> ah, i see. thanks.
[17:19] <snap-l> jrwren: You're still running UNIX though
[17:19] <snap-l> or at least something that can cope with 20 year old code reasonably well
[17:20] <jrwren> you-nicks!
[17:20] <rick_h> uh oh...here we go
[17:20] <jrwren> saved myself from the dinosours
[17:20] <jrwren> UNIX on my phone.
[17:20] <jrwren> UNIX on my linksys router.
[17:20] <snap-l> jrwren: You're on a Mac?
[17:21] <jrwren> UNIX on my mac.
[17:21] <brousch> i am jrwrenning today
[17:21] <jrwren> ya know... for a week there i didn't know bash well enough and I needed an expr feature that is in gnu but not bsd, had ot gnuify my system.
[17:21] <brousch> old dell is not running well
[17:22] <snap-l> jrwrenning [17:22] <jrwren> :) lol.
[17:22] <jrwren> <3 u guys
[17:28] <jrwren> snap-l: remember my comment on overmastery the other day?  I just had to turn volume WAY down on this becasue it was so bad it hurt my ears: Eminem Without Me
[17:31] <rick_h> brousch: do you have any good way of queue'ing up things in google music?
[17:31] <rick_h> guess just create a playlist nad keep adding crap to it?
[17:32] <jcastro> it's the one thing that sucks about G music
[17:32] <jcastro> well, 2 actually
[17:33] <jcastro> rick_h: So I retagged and reripped some stuff
[17:33] <jcastro> and it reuploaded it to GMusic
[17:33] <jcastro> which I was like "oh awesome"
[17:33] <jcastro> except now I have exactly two copies of every metallica album on there
[17:34] <brousch> playlist is the only quque, i think
[17:34] <brousch> queue
[17:34] <jrwren> can't delete 'em?
[17:35] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, it's a bit quirkly in playback
[17:35] <rick_h> I'm liking it overall, but I keep hitting little things going..ugh, come on
[17:35] <brousch> funny. i copied all of my music to itunes and gmusic hasn't doubled up anything
[17:35] <jcastro> rick_h: I know, that last 10% is so annoying
[18:01] <jrwren> anyone know CGI well enough to know how the server invokes the script?
[18:01] <jrwren> i know it sets QUERY_STRING and PATH_INFO and some other stuff
[18:01] <jrwren> but how does it pass docroot?
[18:02] <jrwren> does it change pwd and invoke the script as ./script ?
[18:03] <jrwren> hrm... scripts executed from ServerRoot.
[18:12] <snap-l> jrwren: I think there's a little more sandboxing than just cd $DOCROOT;./script
[18:13] <jrwren> snap-l: you are probably wrong :)
[18:13] <snap-l> I don't know offhand what that is, though
[18:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Wouldn't be a first. :)
[18:13] <jrwren> anyway, I was looking for SCRIPT_FILENAME
[18:13] <jrwren> snap-l: there is zero sandboxing.
[18:14] <snap-l> I thought 2.x added some more
[18:14] <jrwren> unless you run something like suexec
[18:14] <jrwren> well, i'm talking CGI
[18:14] <jrwren> server agnostic
[18:14] <snap-l> Ah, OK
[18:14] <snap-l> I've only worked with Apache for Perl CGI
[18:15] <snap-l> and php-cgi for NGINX
[18:19] <jrwren> php-cgi is waht i am using too.
[18:19] <jrwren> but i'm trying to run it cmdline.
[18:19] <jrwren> i want to pass QUERY_STRING and have it run a for-web php.
[18:24] <snap-l> something different than this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3848901/how-to-pass-query-string-parameters-to-the-php-binary
[18:26] <jrwren> snap-l: yes, that is what i'm doing, but those answers are unsatisfactory
[18:27] <jrwren> use argv is not a real answer.
[18:33] <jcastro> greg-g: sounds like you need MORE WHITESPACE in your life
[18:34] <jrwren> any vimmers use set switchbuf=usetab ?
[18:34] <greg-g> jcastro: :)
[18:37] <jrwren> its possible my vimconfig is not good.
[18:37] <jrwren> 2G of usage just seems wrong.
[18:39] <jcastro> greg-g: hah man
[18:39] <jcastro> "see you on identi.ca"
[18:39] <jcastro> awesome
[18:39] <rick_h> jrwren: 2G of ram?
[18:40] <rick_h> jrwren: no, using switchbuf useopen
[18:41] <snap-l> ????
[18:41] <snap-l> greg-g: What's this about identi.ca?
[18:41] <rick_h> snap-l: see his G+ post
[18:41] <greg-g> snap-l: actually, I didn't mention identi.ca, but, I've basically said I won't use G+ anymore :)
[18:42] <greg-g> it was a long time coming, something stupid just tilted me over the edge
[18:42] <snap-l> greg-g: Always the way it happens.
[18:43]  * greg-g uses a ton of will power to not click that red 1 at the top of GReader because he knows its in response to his last post and dang would that be hypocritical
[18:43] <snap-l> heh
[18:44] <greg-g> watch, it'll be the best conversation ever on G+ (on something I said) and I'll miss it
[18:44] <snap-l> Well, it's part of the reason I switched back to r2e
[18:45] <snap-l> I missed the part about people sharing back with me in my reader, not my plus page.
[18:45] <snap-l> Although I want to know when greg-g became the angry hippie.
[18:46] <brousch> i miss wave and buzz
[18:46] <snap-l> buzz, maybe. Wave was a solution in search of a problem.
[18:47] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, it was gradual, but precipitated after the move to SF, I believe. I really need to work on getting the angry back out
[18:54] <snap-l> greg-g: You should move back to Michigan. We don't harsh mellow.
[18:54] <snap-l> We just bbq the mallow.
[18:57] <brousch> roast the mallow on a stick ovr an open flame
[19:08] <greg-g> ok ok ok I clicked it!
[19:08] <greg-g> jcastro: now I get why you mentioned identi.ca ;)
[19:09] <rick_h> haha
[19:16] <greg-g> this is awesome:
[19:16] <greg-g> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0162v1.pdf
[19:17] <greg-g> guy proving his innocence (accused of running a stop sign) via a paper he wrote and put on arXiv
[19:22] <jrwren> anyone want to help me with a bash quoting problem. maybe if I ask, i'll figure it out.
[19:22] <jrwren> blah  | awk '{print "define('\'\"$1\"\'', 1);//"$1}'
[19:22] <jrwren> teh second $1 displays, hte first doees not, i can't figure what I'm doing wrong with quoting.
[19:26] <jrwren> nvm, got it
[19:26] <jrwren> see, i just had to ask
[19:26] <greg-g> what's the solution?
[19:30] <jrwren> | awk '{print "define('\''"$1"'\'', 1);//"$1}'
[19:32] <greg-g> when in doubt, add more 's
[19:34] <snap-l> http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/what-kind-of-metalhead-are-you
[19:39] <jrwren> zomg snap-l this is awesome.
[19:44] <ColonelPanic001> heh. the pantera one made me snicker
[19:47] <snap-l> funny thing is I don't fit any of those
[19:47] <ColonelPanic001> meh, they're stereotypes from one guy
[19:47] <snap-l> "Guy that's just there to listen to the music"
[19:48] <ColonelPanic001> lame
[19:48] <jrwren> i don't fit them either.
[19:48] <jrwren> but I'm not a metaler
[19:50] <brousch> snap-l: You are the power metaller, but lack the hair
[19:51] <snap-l> brousch: I think I'm offended
[19:51] <jrwren> lol, vim just gave me OOM !
[21:04] <snap-l> If you want any Cloudkicker merch, better get on it.
[21:04] <snap-l> Ben Sharpe is getting married, so he'll be AFK for a month
[21:05] <snap-l> http://cloudkicker.bandcamp.com/
[21:13] <rick_h> grrrrr....if you do python and use tabs I'll...I'll......bah!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:21] <jrwren> i might have done just that, lemme check
[21:21] <jrwren> nope, guess my conditional vimrc is working.
[21:23] <rick_h> better...else you end up with diffs like this: https://github.com/mitechie/python-readability/commit/edccec5d3b4cecee3fdccff7667dd81bb3ed6258
[21:24] <rick_h> because I get freaking syntax errors adding code that has spaces in it
[21:25] <widox> yuck
[21:30] <jrwren> someone reformated your spaces?
[21:30] <jrwren> just tell diff to ignore whitespace :)
[21:31] <jcastro> it's past work hours
[21:31] <jcastro> let's talk about shaving
[21:33] <greg-g> I got a new beard trimmer today!
[21:40] <rick_h> jcastro: got my stuff in, but have ot make dinner and get the boy to bed
[21:40] <rick_h> looks shiny
[21:41] <rick_h> jrwren: I reformatted their tabs into spaces so I could edit their code
[21:41] <rick_h> it's going to go through a pep8 religous experience tonight
[21:41] <rick_h> and if they don't like it I'll just keep my fork
[21:42] <greg-g> rick_h: hah
[21:43] <jrwren> rick_h: nice.
[21:43] <jrwren> rick_h: install a precommit hook that runs *.py through a pep8 command
[21:43] <rick_h> jrwren: no kidding
[21:44] <rick_h> http://build.bmark.us/job/bookie-api/violations/ build servers people...
[21:44] <rick_h> I need to do some light cleanup on the main bookie app
[21:44] <rick_h> http://build.bmark.us/job/bookie-main/violations/
[23:55] <rick_h> jcastro: ok, first shave done
[23:55] <rick_h> all tingly
[23:56] <rick_h> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007XD3EU/ref=oh_o04_s01_i00_details has me feeling all pretty :P


[03:24] <jared> I've forgotten so much wiki markup :/ I can't even make pictures look good anymore
[03:25] <jea> I have to look at the wiki reference basically every time I edit a page
[03:26] <jared> I'm playing with the verification application
[03:27] <jared> I tried putting photos in
[03:27] <jared> I can't get the text around it to play nice
[03:27] <jared> maybe I'll just make the photos tiny
[03:27] <jea> Photos are especially annoying in wikis
[03:46] <jared> Think I fixed it
[03:47] <jared> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/VerificationApplication2013\
[03:47] <jared> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/VerificationApplication2013 event (without the \ on the end)
[03:48] <jea> I think that looks good
[03:48] <jared> Anything you think we should add?
[03:48] <jea> The 1 month extension helps
[03:48] <jea> Um, I can't think of much else to add
[03:48] <jared> I tried to make it a bit easier to see what we have been able to achieve.
[03:49] <jea> Yes, it is much clearer now
[03:49] <jea> I guess we now need to attend a meeting somewhere?
[03:50] <jared> Nah I think they're happy to do it via email. If you wanted to go to one I'm sure that would be fine
[03:51] <jea> Email is easier for me
[03:51] <jea> unless they have a time not at 3-6am
[03:56] <jared> Emailed, updated bug and sent
[04:06] <jea> Great!
[04:56] <Noskcaj> jared, Would you mind spelling my name right on the wiki page? it's "Doak"
[04:59] <jared> Noskcaj: my apologies :/
[04:59] <Noskcaj> Just pointing it out.  What did I put down?
[05:00] <jared> It still saved. jea in the "ubuntu members" section
[05:00] <Noskcaj> jea, "Jackson Noak"
[05:00] <jea> ah
[05:01] <jea> It was most likely me. I was doing that section pretty quickly
[05:01] <jea> Sorry
[05:06] <jared> At least it's fixed, and proof it's being read :)
[05:06] <jea> Yep, that is a good thing to know


[11:54] <wawqy[m]> gracias ubottu!
[15:22] <sakrecoer[bpist]> looks like i did a big mistake installing the KDE backports... now i can't change the wallpaper image
[15:22] <sakrecoer[bpist]> and the digital clock is an analogue clock no matter how i work it
[15:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> of course...
[15:24] <sakrecoer[bpist]> `file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.analogclock/contents/ui/analogclock.qml:16:1: module "org.kde.plasma.workspace.calendar" is not installed`
[15:28] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 32 packages can be upgradeded, but they are held back 😞 so....  wouldn't that mean they can't be upgraded?
[15:29] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[bpist]: apt is not real smart
[15:29] <sakrecoer[bpist]> let's risk break things while we have a current backup!
[15:29] <OvenWerks> You can still install heldback packages if you use the right command
[15:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> so.. missleading message. "32 packages can be upgrade _if_ you know the right commange" :D
[15:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> I let the built in GUI manager run the show for a while. let's see how it goes! 🤞
[15:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> oh... it crashed..
[15:32] <sakrecoer[bpist]> but things looks sane! reboot!
[15:34] <sakrecoer[bpist]> WOW!!!
[15:34] <sakrecoer[bpist]> everything is back to how it was!
[15:35] <sakrecoer[bpist]> This might be the first time EVER i am able to upgrade without reinstalling!!!
[15:37] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[bpist]: they have this deal with new mission critical sw that only gets installed randomly in a few systems so if there is a signifcant bug only a few people have trouble after a wait period everyone gets it.
[15:38] <OvenWerks> So heldback means fresh release but let the lab rats have a go first.
[15:38] <sakrecoer[bpist]> OvenWerks: Not sure who "they" are in this context! But i was ready to start from scratch anf copy my house over, as i always had to... but it kinda looks like i wont have this time!!!!
[15:39] <OvenWerks> they is ubuntu I think.
[15:40] <sakrecoer[bpist]> canonical. usual suspects! benevolant destroyers of userspace :D
[15:40] <OvenWerks> upgrades should have worked since 20.10 I think
[15:40] <OvenWerks> What are you upgrading from/to
[15:40] <sakrecoer[bpist]> OvenWerks: Well.... not on my machine :D
[15:40] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 22.04
[15:41] <OvenWerks> Yeah that should work
[15:41] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i follow the 6 month period since... i don't know... way back
[15:42] <sakrecoer[bpist]> I never minded, how could i complain that this delicious free software just works? But this looks like it might be the first time i don't need to involve a USB key into the process...
[15:42] <sakrecoer[bpist]> will report back once i
[15:43] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 've completed all the irregular checks (soundcard, GPU and funky jazz)O
[15:44]  * OvenWerks can't remember if he upgraded or reinstalled
[15:44]  * sakrecoer[bpist] can remember how much praise it need to convey to the ubustu team, with out without successfull upgrade
[15:45] <OvenWerks> I think I did a fresh install because new SSD
[15:46] <sakrecoer[bpist]> ye... typos. the gist was: i do remember 100% how much i'm glad this distro exists :)
[15:46] <OvenWerks> that works
[16:45] <sakrecoer[bpist]> WOW!!!!!!
[16:45] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 🎉
[16:45] <sakrecoer[bpist]> 🎷🐛
[16:46] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Bug plays saxophone instead of nuisances!!
[16:47] <sakrecoer[bpist]> ok, i have ardour 6 despite backport but how cool is that on scale from USB to automagic upgrades?
[16:48] <OvenWerks> Ardour 7 is not in backports, I think it has it's own PPA because people might want to finish projects on the version they started it on
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/ardour-backports