[12:01] <Red_Herring> i used the flight 3 cd
[12:01] <mcsteels> can any1 help me with mplayer for amd64
[12:01] <fatejudger> the Live CD is different
[12:01] <Red_Herring> and i kept getting kcrash complaining
[12:01] <fatejudger> and generally sucks
[12:02] <Red_Herring> it shoudl be
[12:02] <Red_Herring> !mplayer
[12:02] <ubotu> I guess mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:02] <fatejudger> why does everyone want mplayer?
[12:02] <fatejudger> what is so bad about Kaffeine?
[12:02] <Red_Herring> !vlc
[12:02] <ubotu> it has been said that vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[12:02] <fatejudger> they fixed that stupid crashing in 0.7.1
[12:02] <fatejudger> !kaffeine
[12:02] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, fatejudger
[12:02] <fatejudger> damnit!
[12:02] <fatejudger> vlc is ugly as hell
[12:02] <Red_Herring> !kaffiene
[12:02] <ubotu> Red_Herring: No idea
[12:02] <fatejudger> and isn't embedded in Konqueror
[12:02] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: get the qt version
[12:03] <Red_Herring> and besides, kaffiene uses gstreamer, which SUCKS
[12:03] <Red_Herring> it has potential
[12:03] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: it also uses Xine
[12:03] <Red_Herring> but as of now it sucks
[12:03] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: just in case you didn't know
[12:03] <Red_Herring> i know
[12:03] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: and Gstreamer 0.10 works great
[12:03] <Red_Herring> just as totem can too
[12:03] <Red_Herring> whats included now?
[12:03] <Red_Herring> ,8?
[12:03] <fatejudger> yeah
[12:04] <mcsteels> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061 doesnt work for amd64
[12:04] <fatejudger> .10 has a lot of fixes for different sound cards
[12:04] <mcsteels> or i cant get it to work
[12:04] <Red_Herring> nice
[12:04] <fatejudger> and is just more reliable in general
[12:04] <Red_Herring> i never had problems with anything but gstreamer
[12:04] <fatejudger> same here
[12:04] <Red_Herring> mcsteels: isnt it in the repos?
[12:04] <fatejudger> it works great on  my laptop for some reason though
[12:04] <fatejudger> but on my desktop is just flat wouldn't work
[12:04] <Red_Herring> when i had 64 bit i used mplayer
[12:05] <Red_Herring> but w/o wine i went back to the 32 bit version
[12:05] <fatejudger> !w32codecs
[12:05] <ubotu> I guess w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[12:05] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: you work for trolltech?
[12:06] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[12:06] <ubotu> well, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[12:06] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: lol, no
[12:06] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I wish
[12:06] <Red_Herring> well...
[12:06] <mcsteels> havin trouble finding mplayer in repos
[12:06] <Red_Herring> apt-get install mplayer-custom
[12:06] <fatejudger> mcsteels: then get Kaffeine
[12:06] <Red_Herring> or apt-get install vlc
[12:06] <fatejudger> mcsteels: just make sure to get 0.7.1
[12:06] <fatejudger> mcsteels: from backports
[12:06] <Red_Herring> which makes everything better
[12:07] <blekos> hello guys
[12:07] <fatejudger> this seveas guy is just all over this shady content
[12:07] <dbglt> fatejudger: ?
[12:07] <blekos> would u mine helping me, I'm trying 2 switch from gnome to kde but having probs
[12:07] <Red_Herring> i like seveas
[12:07] <Red_Herring> blekos: what probs?
[12:07] <mcsteels> apt-get install vlc have tried and couldnt find...... can some1 copy their repos  for breezy for me cos I think mine are screwed
[12:08] <Red_Herring> !repos
[12:08] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:08] <blekos> well, 1) i cannot c my hd on desktop (thw win partition), and general see it at all...
[12:08] <blekos> and 2) i have no clue, as how to add a program at startup
[12:09] <fatejudger> what is up with the Dapper repos right now?
[12:09] <fatejudger> they're completely down
[12:09] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: does qtdesigner come with a hello world program?
[12:09] <Red_Herring> i always find those useful for a new language
[12:09] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: are you using KDE right now?
[12:09] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:09] <Red_Herring> kubuntu
[12:09] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: then get KDevelop
[12:09] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: and look at the Hello World program in there
[12:09] <Red_Herring> i tried it
[12:09] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: it's a built in template
[12:10] <Red_Herring> i couldnt find the qt part
[12:10] <Red_Herring> did i forget to install something?
[12:10] <fatejudger> it's under KDE apps
[12:10] <Red_Herring> oh
[12:10] <blekos> any ideas?
[12:10] <blekos> i also cannot install the updates...
[12:10] <blekos> if there are any
[12:10] <Red_Herring> blekos: go to /media/
[12:10] <Red_Herring> thats all
[12:11] <Red_Herring> they arent considered removable media anymore
[12:11] <Red_Herring> so they are mounted in /media
[12:12] <blekos> i did ls, i c the hda
[12:12] <Red_Herring> and...?
[12:12] <Red_Herring> is that it?
[12:13] <blekos> i c the followin 0 GB Disk (hda1)
[12:13] <blekos> how can i access it
[12:13] <fbriz> holsa
[12:13] <Red_Herring> blekos: what do you mean, you can i access it?
[12:14] <blekos> i want to mounti it and c its contents
[12:14] <Red_Herring> just go /media/ in konqeror
[12:14] <Red_Herring> if its not there.
[12:14] <Red_Herring> do "sudo mount /dev/hda1"
[12:14] <Red_Herring> and then it will turn up there
[12:15] <blekos> its there!!
[12:15] <slow-motion> n8
[12:15] <blekos> can i somehow bring it to the desktop?
[12:15] <Red_Herring> well../., you could make a shortcut
[12:15] <dbglt> hey, my partitions are mounted on /media/hda1 and /media/hda2, and I can access them fine, but they don't show up under storage media in konqueror
[12:15] <dbglt> any idea why?
[12:16] <Red_Herring> no
[12:16] <Red_Herring> well yeah
[12:16] <Red_Herring> but no idea how to fix it
[12:16] <Red_Herring> kde decided storage media should be reserved for Removable Media, which hard drives arent
[12:17] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: yeah, it's kind of stupid
[12:17] <Red_Herring> well...
[12:17] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I wished they had added an option to put HD partitions in there
[12:17] <Red_Herring> sort of
[12:17] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:17] <Red_Herring> but i kinda aggree with them
[12:18] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: well where else are you supposed to get an easy to access overview of your partitions?
[12:18] <Red_Herring> /media
[12:18] <fatejudger> I don't want all 3 of them cluttering up my desktop
[12:18] <Red_Herring> /media/
[12:18] <fatejudger> LOL
[12:18] <fatejudger> before I speak too quickly
[12:18] <fatejudger> apparently enough people complained
[12:18] <fatejudger> it's back on!
[12:19] <Red_Herring> what?
[12:19] <Red_Herring> in dapper?
[12:19] <fatejudger> yeah, lol
[12:19] <Red_Herring> oh yeah
[12:19] <Red_Herring> in the forums there was a 10 page discussion about this
[12:19] <Red_Herring> NO ONE HAD THOUGHT TO LOOK IN /media
[12:19] <fatejudger> well the problem with going into /media
[12:19] <Red_Herring> out of like 50 people
[12:19] <fatejudger> is first
[12:20] <fatejudger> there is no easy way to access it
[12:20] <dbglt> ok. I installed kaffeine-xine. But now when I start Kaffeine, I don't have the option of switching to the xine engine! Can anyone help me with this too? :)
[12:20] <fatejudger> and second
[12:20] <blekos> could you tell me how to add a program to start up
[12:20] <blekos> ?
[12:20] <fatejudger> you need root permissions to browse the drives
[12:20] <Red_Herring> i would uninstall kaffinene-gstreamer
[12:20] <fatejudger> in system:/media you don't
[12:20] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: no, ya dont
[12:20] <fatejudger> not only that, system:/media has clear icons show what things are
[12:20] <Red_Herring> you need root access to write to /media
[12:21] <Red_Herring> whereas the drives mounted there have the same permissions
[12:21] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: ok, true
[12:21] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: but my first argument still applies
[12:21] <Red_Herring> but i aggree
[12:21] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: it isn't easy to acess
[12:21] <Red_Herring> its kinda annoying
[12:21] <fatejudger> *access
[12:21] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: and, you can't tell what things are
[12:21] <Red_Herring> true
[12:21] <Red_Herring> but im glad they changed that
[12:21] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I'm glad they changed it back
[12:21] <Red_Herring> its what makes kubuntu so nice
[12:21] <Red_Herring> we can change things like this
[12:22] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: yes, beautification and easy of use is very important
[12:22] <Red_Herring> i made a suggestion to right click install .deb files
[12:22] <Red_Herring> and in breezy ya can
[12:22] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I like the Kubuntu project because it's so unconvetional
[12:22] <Red_Herring> maybe it wasnt just me
[12:22] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: they don't care what the accepted standard is
[12:22] <Red_Herring> well... they do
[12:22] <Red_Herring> and thats good
[12:22] <Red_Herring> but they are open to new ideas
[12:22] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: not really
[12:23] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: they put katapult back in
[12:23] <Red_Herring> well... KDE wise, they are very different
[12:23] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: after everyone dissed it
[12:23] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: they did automounting
[12:23] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: before KDE did
[12:23] <Red_Herring> but linux base wise, they are very close to the standards
[12:23] <Red_Herring> which is a good thing
[12:23] <Red_Herring> because more programs work
[12:23] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: they rejected the debian standards thing
[12:23] <Red_Herring> the debian standards thing?
[12:23] <blekos> could you tell me how to add a program to start up pls?
[12:23] <fatejudger> I forget what it's called
[12:23] <Red_Herring> its the Linux Standard Base
[12:23] <fatejudger> yeah
[12:24] <Red_Herring> they are very close to it
[12:24] <fatejudger> it was the Debian project that was all up in arms about it
[12:24] <Red_Herring> not perfect
[12:24] <fatejudger> because we were changing around the kernel and the packaging system so much
[12:24] <Red_Herring> but close enough so may programs w/ debian and other distros work under kubuntu
[12:24] <fatejudger> that Ubuntu packages didn't work on Debian
[12:24] <Red_Herring> some dont
[12:24] <Red_Herring> but many do
[12:24] <fatejudger> most don't
[12:25] <fatejudger> that's why they were so pissed
[12:25] <Red_Herring> depends how much they depend on debian base files
[12:25] <Tm_T> aye
[12:25] <Red_Herring> programs that just use standard libraries can EASILY be installed under ubuntu
[12:25] <Red_Herring> the debian base progs cannot at all though
[12:25] <fatejudger> finally, the Dapper repos are working again
[12:26] <Tm_T> fatejudger: some mirrors are quite f*cked
[12:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: seriously
[12:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I couldn't update for a couple of hours
[12:26] <Red_Herring> wha? wow, i really havent learned enough about c++
[12:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: and that was from the main mirror
[12:26] <Red_Herring> damn cp teacher
[12:26] <Tm_T> fatejudger: aye, se. for example has been annoying last couple days
[12:26] <Tm_T> or weeks
[12:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Dapper works suprisingly well though
[12:26] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I've had very few crashes
[12:27] <Red_Herring> some have better luck than others
[12:27] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I would go so far as to say that it's about as stable as Breezy
[12:27] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I did an apt-get upgrade before I used it
[12:27] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: so that may be why
[12:27] <Red_Herring> that makes sense
[12:27] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: not to mention I'm using the new KDE 3.5.1 packages
[12:28] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: which JUST came out
[12:28] <gamma> wahoo i got flash working!
[12:28] <Red_Herring> and its stable?
[12:28] <Red_Herring> wow
[12:28] <fatejudger> gamma: lol
[12:28] <gamma> fatejudger: my system was running at 16bit color, not 24
[12:28] <gamma> changing it fixed flash
[12:28] <gamma> :D
[12:28] <Red_Herring> i used 3.5 and it was pretty damn slow and buggy
[12:28] <blekos> is there a programm to add programs at start up?
[12:29] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I jumped on the 3.5 bandwagon at Beta 2
[12:29] <Red_Herring> hmm
[12:29] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: after that arts bug I had some doubts
[12:29] <Red_Herring> im still using 3.4.3
[12:29] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: but I fixed it, and I never looked back
[12:29] <Red_Herring> its nice
[12:29] <gamma> 3.5.1 is kinda buggy here
[12:29] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: 3.5 is a HUGE improvement
[12:29] <Red_Herring> i know
[12:29] <Red_Herring> i have it installed on my desktop
[12:29] <blekos> how did u install it?
[12:29] <Tm_T> fatejudger: yes, problem is, repositories can throw some stuff that need something what is provided couple days later, or buggy package and fix couple days later
[12:29] <Red_Herring> its a whole shitload of tiny improvements
[12:29] <Red_Herring> and a few HUGE ones
[12:30] <Red_Herring> !kde3.5
[12:30] <ubotu> To upgrade to KDE3.5, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php (add the deb... line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[12:30] <Tm_T> fatejudger: that makes it unstable and insecure for every user, you have to know a little bit about what's going on to keep it going
[12:30] <blekos> u mean to install the whole flight3?
[12:30] <fatejudger> Tm_T: one of the reasons I use Dapper is because they constantly update the packages though
[12:31] <Tm_T> fatejudger: same here =)
[12:31] <fatejudger> Tm_T: it's super easy to keep everything updated
[12:31] <Tm_T> fatejudger: but you prolly know the risks, most of basic users don't
[12:31] <fatejudger> Tm_T: not to mention all the cool features you get
[12:31] <fatejudger> Tm_T: yeah, I do
[12:31] <Tm_T> true =)
[12:31] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I was thinking it would be a whole lot worse
[12:31] <Tm_T> oh noo
[12:32] <fatejudger> Tm_T: wow
[12:32] <gamma> Tm_T: any problems with adept?
[12:32] <blekos> can u actually only install the  kde3.5 by itself?
[12:32] <Tm_T> gamma: I don't use adept
[12:32] <gamma> oh..
[12:32] <fatejudger> Tm_T: well see the thing is, I just bought this new monitor and Windows was giving  me shit for it at its native rez
[12:32] <fatejudger> Tm_T: but Kubuntu worked great
[12:32] <Tm_T> blekos: sure, whatever you mean by "only kde"
[12:32] <fatejudger> Tm_T: and it renders SO much faster than Windows XP did
[12:32] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:33] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I would have tested it on Breezy, but I had formatted
[12:33] <blekos> i mean by not upgrating to the flight3
[12:33] <fatejudger> Tm_T: which is why I said, what the hell, I'll try out Dapper
[12:33] <fatejudger> Tm_T: and here I am :D
[12:34] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I am SO happy that they added the hard drive partitions back in "Storage Media"
[12:34] <Tm_T> blekos: sure
[12:34] <Tm_T> blekos: kubuntu.org
[12:34] <fatejudger> the number 1 reason for upgrading to Dapper has to be the super fast boot times
[12:34] <blekos> cool,
[12:34] <fatejudger> great for mobile users
[12:34] <Tm_T> hehe
[12:34] <blekos> can this be done for gnome 3.14 (i think)
[12:34] <blekos> ?
[12:34] <Tm_T> blekos: doesn't matter
[12:34] <blekos> :))
[12:35] <fatejudger> KDE looks fantastic at 1920x1200
[12:35] <Red_Herring> wow
[12:35] <Tm_T> fatejudger: my only laptop use little bit different system... try to guess
[12:35] <Red_Herring> thats a nice monitor
[12:35] <Tm_T> fatejudger: sure does
[12:35] <fatejudger> Tm_T: you have to use Windows XP?
[12:35] <Tm_T> nope
[12:35] <fatejudger> Tm_T: what kind of monitor do you have?
[12:36] <Tm_T> in laptop or now?
[12:36] <fatejudger> Tm_T: you said it looked good at that rez
[12:36] <Tm_T> (now as in this pc)
[12:36] <Red_Herring> mine is an amazing celeron 1.5ghz toshiba w/ 512mb ram and a 20gb hard drive, with a 1024x768 screen
[12:36] <fatejudger> Tm_T: not many monitors display that high
[12:36] <Red_Herring> its decent
[12:36] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: lol
[12:36] <Red_Herring> hey
[12:36] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I only have 256 MB RAM in this machine
[12:36] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I know it looks good in high res
[12:36] <Red_Herring> it sure beats out a 4gb hard drive
[12:36] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: I REALLY need to upgrade, it would definitely improve the performance
[12:36] <Red_Herring> yup
[12:37] <Tm_T> fatejudger: not that I could use =)
[12:37] <Red_Herring> sure does
[12:37] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Windows just sucks in high rez
[12:37] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Vista will be better
[12:37] <Tm_T> true
[12:37] <Red_Herring> fatejudger: dont get your hopes up
[12:37] <fatejudger> Tm_T: but I can use KDE right now :)
[12:37] <fatejudger> not to mention it's free
[12:37] <Red_Herring> ive uses the beta of vista
[12:37] <Tm_T> fatejudger: but my laptop does have amazing 12" lcd screen
[12:37] <fatejudger> Red_Herring: really?
[12:37] <Red_Herring> more like pre-alpha
[12:37] <Red_Herring> because it really sucks
[12:37] <Red_Herring> its bulky
[12:37] <Red_Herring> takes up way too much ram and cpu
[12:37] <Tm_T> haha
[12:37] <Red_Herring> and it is buggy
[12:38] <fatejudger> I'm a little bit wary about KDE 4
[12:38] <Red_Herring> its gui is nice
[12:38] <fatejudger> I hope they choose a really nice design
[12:38] <Red_Herring> but not anything terribly special
[12:38] <fatejudger> and make some big changes
[12:38] <Red_Herring> overall it sucks
[12:38] <fatejudger> the last screens I saw for vista were pretty nice
[12:38] <Tm_T> fatejudger: what's amazing, my laptop does have 8MB ram :)
[12:38] <Red_Herring> and most importantly, m$ knows that, and wont release it until 2007
[12:38] <Tm_T> beat that
[12:38] <fatejudger> Tm_T: 486?
[12:38] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: i have TWICE THAT for video memory
[12:38] <Tm_T> aye :)
[12:39] <fatejudger> Tm_T: nice
[12:39] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: who cares, you don't run DOS 6.22 in it =)
[12:39] <Red_Herring> well
[12:39] <fatejudger> Tm_T: what do you run?
[12:39] <Red_Herring> im trying to get my bro's laptop working
[12:39] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Win 3.1?
[12:39] <Tm_T> fatejudger: DOS
[12:39] <Red_Herring> its a p3 400mhz with get this: 64mb of ram
[12:39] <Red_Herring> the best i can get is dsl
[12:40] <fatejudger> Tm_T: can't you run the Linux command line?
[12:40] <Tm_T> and yes, sometimes, only sometimes win 3.11
[12:40] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I don't even try to install
[12:40] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: how about dsl?
[12:40] <fatejudger> my laptop is a 2.4 ghz celeron
[12:40] <Tm_T> fatejudger: hard to get internet connection to it
[12:40] <Red_Herring> damn you
[12:40] <dbglt> any idea why juk would not be saving its shortcuts in kubuntu? I change them all... I quit the program normally and re-open it... and it forgets all my changes
[12:40] <fatejudger> lol
[12:40] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: doesn't have any network devices
[12:40] <Red_Herring> so?
[12:40] <Red_Herring> dsl is a livecd
[12:41] <Red_Herring> Damn Small Linux
[12:41] <Red_Herring> its a disto that is only 50mb
[12:41] <fatejudger> yeah, you could do that
[12:41] <Red_Herring> it runs a minimal graphical manager
[12:41] <Tm_T> yes, but! 486 -> where's my install floppies
[12:41] <fatejudger> blackbox?
[12:41] <Red_Herring> and very small programs
[12:41] <Red_Herring> either blackbox or something akin to it
[12:41] <fatejudger> Tm_T: hmm
[12:41] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: with 8M ram you don't run X
[12:41] <fatejudger> Tm_T: Minuet?
[12:41] <Red_Herring> this is one hell of a small X
[12:42] <Red_Herring> if thats what you are asking about
[12:42] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: you can't make X much smaller than it is
[12:42] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: I know dsl very well
[12:42] <Red_Herring> ok
[12:42] <Red_Herring> well, save that laptop
[12:42] <Tm_T> but that pc could MAYBE barely run bash and some basic stuff in it =)
[12:42] <blekos> ok i am proceeding to the update
[12:42] <Red_Herring> it will be an antique soon ;-)
[12:42] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: already is
[12:42] <blekos> i need 35min...
[12:43] <blekos> should i restart then?
[12:43] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: not as good as an atari
[12:43] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: true =)
[12:43] <Red_Herring> which i have
[12:43] <Red_Herring> and i still use it from time to time
[12:43] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: Memotech here
[12:43] <Red_Herring> its actually STILL very entertaining
[12:43] <Red_Herring> PONG!
[12:44] <Tm_T> http://www.mtxworld.dk/main.php
[12:44] <Tm_T> pong is king
[12:44] <Red_Herring> i know there are great emulators for this kind of stuff
[12:44] <Red_Herring> but i dont have any ROMs
[12:44] <Red_Herring> and dont know where to get them
[12:44] <Red_Herring> i have all of the games
[12:44] <Red_Herring> just not the ROMs
[12:45] <Tm_T> hum, where's all game c-tapes
[12:47] <Tm_T> http://www.mtxworld.dk/pic3.php <- oh I spent days with this one...
[12:48] <Tm_T> http://www.mtxworld.dk/pic2.php <- should be still somewhere here
[12:48] <gamma> isn't that frogger? 0.o
[12:51] <Tm_T> gamma: no, toado! (well, same game, different name) ;-P
[12:52] <Red_Herring> wow, i guess i dont know c++
[12:52] <gamma> which one came out first? if someone tried doing something like that today there would be a lot of lawsuits
[12:52] <Red_Herring> stupid cp teacher
[12:52] <Red_Herring> never talked about classes etc.
[12:52] <gamma> i only know c, php and java
[12:52] <gamma> no c++
[12:52] <Tm_T> gamma: hey, thay look same, that's not enough for lawsuit
[12:52] <Red_Herring> if ya know c, dont ya know c++?
[12:53] <gamma> isn't there a few changes?
[12:53] <Red_Herring> i know a tiny bit of php
[12:53] <Red_Herring> gamma: yeah
[12:53] <gamma> i'm sure i could pick up c++ pretty easily
[12:53] <Red_Herring> but not too much
[12:53] <gamma> oh.. i know mono too, but that's basically java
[12:53] <gamma> or c#
[12:53] <gamma> same syntax, different name..
[12:53] <Red_Herring> im learning java, but im already starting to hate it
[12:54] <gamma> java is very powerful and there are some things i like over c
[12:54] <gamma> but i also love c too
[12:55] <Red_Herring> i really need to learn more about c++
[12:55] <Red_Herring> we never went into detail with classes
[12:55] <gamma> are you taking a class right now?
[12:55] <Red_Herring> yeah
[12:55] <Red_Herring> but we "finished" c++
[12:55] <Red_Herring> now we are using java
[12:55] <Red_Herring> the teacher loves it
[12:55] <Red_Herring> but hates c++
[12:55] <gamma> what course is this? accelerated learning of all major programming languages?
[12:56] <Red_Herring> yup
[12:56] <Red_Herring> we also learned html and js
[12:56] <Red_Herring> of coarse, all throughout html and js i just worked on c++
[12:56] <gamma> i have to take that course
[12:56] <Red_Herring> but i never got a formal training of many of the features of c++
[12:57] <gamma> it's pretty simple though
[12:57] <gamma> hold on i can get you a bunch of documentation from my old c class if you want
[12:58] <Red_Herring> we used a 8 year old book on c++
[12:58] <gamma> haha nice
[12:58] <gamma> http://www.cs.ucf.edu/~dmarino/ucf/cop3223/lectures/
[12:58] <gamma> take a look at that
[12:58] <gamma> it's got pretty decent examples and stuff
[12:58] <Red_Herring> thanks
[12:59] <Red_Herring> wow, i hate kate
[12:59] <Red_Herring> no autoindenting
[12:59] <gamma> there's gotta be an option/plugin for that
[01:00] <gamma> i was looking earlier
[01:00] <Red_Herring> well
[01:00] <fatejudger> is there a way to stop Kontact from loading the KAlarm daemon
[01:00] <fatejudger> ?
[01:00] <Red_Herring> i got the kate plugins
[01:00] <Red_Herring> and it wasnt in there
[01:00] <gamma> i used gedit before, and kate seems better
[01:01] <Red_Herring> now that i think about it. i never was taught about references and pointers
[01:01] <Red_Herring> i looked that up myself
[01:03] <Red_Herring> void deposit (int* accnt_bal), void deposit (int &accnt_bal), any different?
[01:03] <LordRaiden> Is KDE 3.5.1 more buggy or less buggy?
[01:04] <Red_Herring> is the int* variable and int &variable different?
[01:04] <Red_Herring> LordRaiden: for breezy, yes
[01:04] <Red_Herring> more buggy
[01:04] <gamma> LordRaiden: you can't click the konq plugin buttons in 3.5.1
[01:04] <Red_Herring> gamma: you took c
[01:04] <Red_Herring> is int* c any different than int &c?
[01:05] <Red_Herring> when passing them
[01:05] <gamma> i don't think  so
[01:05] <gamma> &c is a pointe right?
[01:05] <gamma> pointer*
[01:05] <Red_Herring> yeah
[01:05] <gamma> yea they should be the same
[01:05] <Red_Herring> ok
[01:05] <Red_Herring> good
[01:05] <Red_Herring> thanks
[01:06] <gamma> Red_Herring: found autotab
[01:06] <LordRaiden> how about for dapper?
[01:06] <Red_Herring> autotab?
[01:06] <Red_Herring> oh
[01:06] <Red_Herring> where?
[01:06] <gamma> auto indent
[01:07] <gamma> configure/indentation
[01:07] <gamma> automatic indentation-indent mode
[01:07] <gamma> change to like c style
[01:07] <Red_Herring> huh
[01:07] <Red_Herring> thats easy
[01:07] <gamma> not sure what the different styles actually do though
[01:08] <gamma> ok i got to get my lid switch working..
[01:08] <Red_Herring> well
[01:08] <Red_Herring> i know with python its different
[01:08] <gamma> yea..
[01:08] <gamma> brb
[01:08] <Red_Herring> i gotta eat
[01:09] <gamma> ok so hibernate works, the lid switch doesn't work..
[01:10] <gamma> grr
[01:19] <eXSiR> woww, kde 3.5 is perfect :)
[01:20] <eXSiR> with kubuntu of course
[01:22] <blekos> id there a need for restart/ logout after installing kde3.5?
[01:22] <gamma> does the acpid lidswitch code work for anyone?
[01:22] <eXSiR> i did but i think it is not needed
[01:22] <eXSiR> only a logout, maybe
[01:22] <blekos> thnx
[01:25] <Red_Herring|food> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tacos
[01:40] <blekos> does anyone here uses supercaraba?
[01:40] <gamma> if someone can help me with acpid i'd appreciate it :D
[01:49] <Nulo> Yawriiiiiiiight
[01:59] <pollomix> how to do run 3ddesktop?
[01:59] <fatejudger> why is gstreamer not used in Dapper?
[02:00] <fatejudger> 0.10 that is
[02:00] <fatejudger> only .8 is used
[02:00] <fatejudger> but .10 is in the repos
[02:00] <dbglt> can anyone suggest a nice font for my clock in kicker? :)
[02:07] <Tm_T> dbglt: I use Larabiefont
[02:08] <dbglt> hrmm I don't have that
[02:08] <dbglt> I'm using Georgia at the moment
[02:08] <dbglt> it is ok
[02:08] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_103.png
[02:08] <dbglt> but a bit big on some numbers
[02:08] <Tm_T> my whole desktop
[02:08] <dbglt> Tm_T: you have proper transparency? :)
[02:08] <Tm_T> nah
[02:08] <dbglt> or fake one
[02:09] <Tm_T> I would use real transparency if it wasn't flickering a bit
[02:15] <angasule> !dapper
[02:15] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[02:18] <angasule> I can't wait, ummh
[02:29] <boga> anyone has video controls on Google's Video Store? I don't have them with Konqueror!
[02:29] <nikita> !wmv
[02:29] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:40] <_root> simply question i'm making dist-upgrade and i ant to exclude open office from donloading and upgrading, how to do that?
[02:41] <_root> is somebody here?
[02:43] <_root> shit
[02:48] <Tm_T> _root: nobody's her but you should _not_ irc as root
[02:48] <incubii> but its more fun Tm_T
[02:48] <Tm_T> ok
[02:49] <_root> :P
[02:50] <blekos> does anyboy know how to map the win key?
[02:51] <Aji-Dahaka> blekos: like make something a win key or vice versa?
[02:51] <FakeSnake> does anybode know hot to exclude something from dist-upgrade?
[02:51] <blekos> i want the win-key whenpress to go the kMenu...
[02:52] <Aji-Dahaka> blekos: ah, that should be default if you chose the right keyboard layout
[02:52] <Aji-Dahaka> (shortcut scheme)
[02:52] <blekos> hmm, i'm running on a vaio...
[02:52] <blekos> the funny think is that gnome has identified it correctly
[02:52] <blekos> ...
[02:53] <Aji-Dahaka> go to the shortcut scheme tab
[02:53] <blekos> i choose the same keyboard here but not lack...
[02:53] <Aji-Dahaka> and choose "kde default for 4 modifier keys"
[02:53] <Marsik^_> Hi I have huge problem with my kubuntu. I installed it few times, but everytime i do it after loading system, when it schould show login screen, my srceen goes blank -turns off and i cant do anything with it. Please help!
[02:54] <blekos> it is chosen...
[02:54] <dark_suic> blekos, you should try accesibility on kcontrol
[02:54] <dark_suic> there you should have the shortcuts
[02:54] <dark_suic> look for open k-menu or something like that
[02:54] <blekos> sorry, it wasnt chosen
[02:54] <dark_suic> and assign it to the win-key
[02:54] <Marsik^_> Can anybody help me?
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> blekos: now that it is it should be fine
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> dark_suic: don't think one can actually do that
[02:55] <dark_suic> why?
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> dark_suic: windows key is a modifier so it would have to be pressed along with something to set as a shortcut
[02:55] <Aji-Dahaka> dark_suic: try and see :)
[02:55] <blekos> i've chosen 4modifiers...
[02:56] <dark_suic> i see, i've just tried :P
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> blekos: should work, then
[02:56] <Aji-Dahaka> blekos: if not, maybe try windows scheme with win key, but I thought both worked
[02:57] <blekos> it hsa for pop up menu win+menu
[02:57] <blekos> it will not accept having only the win key,
[02:57] <Aji-Dahaka> (wish keyboard specs would have been written with something so that the computer can know what type of keyboard is attached)
[02:57] <blekos> i'll try win schema
[02:58] <blekos> no luck...
[02:59] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, just tried it here with my right-alt key that's mapped as a win key and it's not working :(
[02:59] <Aji-Dahaka> wonder why that is
[02:59] <blekos> :(
[03:00] <blekos> btw, perhaps u can tell how i can add a program at startup, i want ro run desklet
[03:00] <blekos> skaramba doesnt 2 work ok :(
[03:01] <Aji-Dahaka> add it to your ~/.kde/Autostart directory?
[03:01] <Marsik^_> E6E6E6
[03:02] <Aji-Dahaka> something definitely wrong with the handling of keys in kubuntu :(
[03:02] <Aji-Dahaka> keycode 113 (keysym 0xffec, Super_R)
[03:02] <Aji-Dahaka> that should not be showing me ALT
[03:03] <blekos> yes.... very wrong...
[03:05] <blekos> :)
[03:06] <Aji-Dahaka> I'll file the kmail one I found
[03:06] <blekos> ok, i need 2 b going, its 04:00 here !!! and i'm x-)
[03:06] <Aji-Dahaka> lata
[03:06] <blekos> i'll b back though
[03:07] <blekos> thnx 4 the help Aji
[03:07] <blekos> l8r
[03:14] <nikita> !$PATH
[03:14] <ubotu> nikita: What?
[03:15] <nikita> hi. how can i change the $PATH variable?
[03:22] <fit4lfe> has anyone used remote desktop with on kde ?
[03:22] <fit4lfe> and is there a way to use remote desktop for port 80
[03:27] <Key`s> s.a
[03:27] <Key`s> olm bu ne voice bile yok
[03:27] <Key`s> eXSiR
[03:27] <Key`s>
[03:27] <Key`s> :)
[03:31] <eidolon> hey guys, i haven't been able to apt-get update in over a day.  i'm getting 404 errors from the ubuntu archives.  anyone know what'sup?
[03:41] <swim> hi folks, trying to figure out how to get k3b to run with rootprivileges... ive got k3bsetup running but I dont see what to do next... help?
[03:45] <Red_Herring> sorry, i have no clue
[03:52] <nikita> !install
[03:52] <ubotu> I guess install is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[03:52] <Red_Herring> !xubunu
[03:52] <ubotu> I don't know, Red_Herring
[03:52] <Red_Herring> !xubuntu
[03:52] <ubotu> well, xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[03:52] <nikita> !./configure
[03:52] <ubotu> nikita: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:52] <nikita> !make
[03:53] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, nikita
[03:53] <Red_Herring> you need to know about those things?
[03:53] <nikita> Red_Herring: mmm, i try to install a km player and get an error on ./configure thing
[03:53] <Red_Herring> km player?
[03:54] <Red_Herring> i know i should just help you, but why use km player?
[03:54] <Red_Herring> there are plenty of media players that come w/ kubuntu, why compile ANOTHER one
[03:55] <nikita> Red_Herring: well, u know.... it's like my 2nd day on linux, therefore: 1) i have no clue which program to use to play video.  2) i wanna try to install a program 3) that is the one recommended in the only book i have
[03:55] <nikita> =)
[03:55] <Red_Herring> ok
[03:55] <Red_Herring> well
[03:55] <Red_Herring> i suggest
[03:55] <Red_Herring> !vlc
[03:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[03:55] <Red_Herring> or
[03:55] <Red_Herring> !mplayer
[03:55] <ubotu> rumour has it, mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[03:55] <Red_Herring> but personally i would go with vlc
[03:56] <Red_Herring> wait, you have a book on this stuff?
[03:57] <nikita> Red_Herring: i have a moving to linux book, which is not really useful but that's something
[03:57] <Red_Herring> oh
[03:57] <Red_Herring> i never read books on those kinds of things
[03:57] <Red_Herring> but whatever floats your boat
[03:57] <Red_Herring> heres the thing:
[03:57] <Red_Herring> debian, the os ubuntu/kubunu is based off of uses apt-get, and .deb files to install packages
[03:58] <Red_Herring> so compiling it, what you are trying to do, destroys the entire purpose of apt and .deb
[03:58] <Red_Herring> now it is useful in certain cases
[03:58] <nikita> Red_Herring: i know =)))))))))) but what if i wanna a ran dom program?
[03:58] <nikita> random*
[03:59] <Red_Herring> thats the only time you use it
[03:59] <Red_Herring> if it IS NOT IN ANY REPO
[03:59] <Red_Herring> !repos
[03:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:59] <Red_Herring> use those, and you can have almost any prog
[03:59] <Red_Herring> especially my favorite, vlc
[03:59] <nikita> Red_Herring: i got it =)) is it the same for all linux systems?
[04:00] <Red_Herring> not at all
[04:00] <Red_Herring> red hat/suse/madriva use .rpm
[04:00] <Red_Herring> which is a lot like .deb
[04:00] <Red_Herring> but in very nerdy ways, its significantly different
[04:01] <Red_Herring> other distros compile, like gentoo, w/ emerge, and others use old skool compiling, like what you are trying to do
[04:01] <nikita> Red_Herrings: but all linuxes have this idea of packages? i remeber using mandrake and i think there was the same stuff
[04:01] <Red_Herring> people here believe apt is the most advanced out of all of them, but its opinon mostly
[04:01] <nikita> ohhhhhhh
[04:01] <Red_Herring> well...
[04:01] <Red_Herring> some distros dont use packages
[04:02] <Red_Herring> but those are the really hard-core *nix systems
[04:02] <Red_Herring> like linux from scratch
[04:02] <nikita> Red_Herring: oh, i see
[04:02] <Red_Herring> so...
[04:02] <Red_Herring> about km player
[04:02] <Red_Herring> ive used it
[04:02] <Tm_T> lfs is not distro imho
[04:02] <Tm_T> kmplayer is good
[04:02] <Red_Herring> true
[04:03] <Red_Herring> but its the idea of it
[04:03] <Tm_T> aye
[04:03] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: is it in the repos?
[04:03] <Tm_T> Red_Herring: no idea, I compile newest from svn every day
[04:03] <Red_Herring> no
[04:03] <Red_Herring> i just checked
[04:03] <Red_Herring> if it is, its not named kmplayer
[04:03] <Tm_T> so it's not
[04:03] <nikita> Red_Herring: i choose whatever u advise me, cuz i'm trying to play a WMA file for like 2 hours already =))))))
[04:03] <Red_Herring> Tm_T: ya just think they should go w/ vlc or mplayer?
[04:04] <Red_Herring> VLC!
[04:04] <Red_Herring> it can play them fine
[04:04] <Tm_T> vlc work, mplayer is ok
[04:04] <Red_Herring> !seveas
[04:04] <ubotu> Seveas has a semi-popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:04] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[04:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[04:04] <Red_Herring> you need those if ya wanna play WMV files w/ mplayer
[04:04] <Red_Herring> not vlc though
[04:04] <saulgood> anybody got answers for questions concerning Live CD boot on OSX Tiger?
[04:04] <Red_Herring> ummm
[04:05] <Red_Herring> as in a vm?
[04:05] <Red_Herring> or on a MAC
[04:05] <saulgood> mac
[04:05] <Red_Herring> oh
[04:05] <saulgood> i got the powerpc build
[04:05] <Red_Herring> i herd it has MAJOR problems
[04:05] <saulgood> yes i can confirm haha
[04:05] <Red_Herring> !flight3ppc
[04:05] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Some people juggle geese
[04:06] <saulgood> it wont boot, it freezes just before the gui shows up
[04:06] <Red_Herring> yup
[04:06] <Red_Herring> thats what has been reported
[04:06] <saulgood> Firefly
[04:06] <Red_Herring> what?
[04:06] <Red_Herring> !firefly
[04:06] <nikita> Red_Herring: yeah, i've installed the codecs. okey i will go and do that finally, thatnks a lot =8
[04:06] <ubotu> Red_Herring: No idea
[04:06] <saulgood> "some people juggle geese" is a quote off of firefly
[04:06] <Red_Herring> nikita: tell me if ya get it working
[04:06] <Red_Herring> i wanna know which one you went with
[04:07] <Red_Herring> saulgood: never saw it, but i did see serenety
[04:07] <saulgood> Serenity/Firefly - the greatest scifi of all times
[04:07] <Red_Herring> eh
[04:07] <saulgood> =P
[04:07] <Red_Herring> im not a huge scifi fan
[04:07] <Red_Herring> !edubuntu
[04:07] <ubotu> edubuntu is, like, totally, an Ubuntu version suitable for classroom use. See http://edubuntu.org or visit #edubuntu
[04:07] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[04:07] <Red_Herring> wonder if i can put ^ on comps at my school...
[04:08] <nikita> Red_Herring: sure i will
[04:08] <saulgood> ok well thanks  for the help. I guess im gonna have to find another build thats bootable on Tiger. Any suggestions?
[04:08] <Red_Herring> of ubuntu?
[04:08] <Red_Herring> or another distro?
[04:08] <saulgood> any linux live
[04:08] <Red_Herring> knoppix
[04:08] <Red_Herring> slax
[04:09] <Red_Herring> or use the livecd of the breezy version
[04:09] <Red_Herring> because the dapper one is still in development
[04:09] <saulgood> i have breezy
[04:09] <saulgood> no go
[04:09] <Red_Herring> really?
[04:09] <Red_Herring> thats news
[04:09] <Red_Herring> mac doesnt like it?
[04:10] <saulgood> correct
[04:10] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[04:10] <Red_Herring> thats interesting
[04:10] <Red_Herring> i was not aware of that
[04:10] <saulgood> i havent tried booting to console, but i know it freezes before the gui can even initialize
[04:10] <Red_Herring> thats very odd
[04:11] <Red_Herring> hope you dont think ubuntu is always like that
[04:11] <saulgood> not heard of it happening?
[04:11] <Red_Herring> nope
[04:11] <saulgood> no no I understand live cds are much more unstable for many logical reasons
[04:11] <Red_Herring> but then again i havent used the macs alot
[04:11] <saulgood> we use Linux at work
[04:11] <Red_Herring> oh
[04:11] <saulgood> so Im wanting to get a distro for home to get better aquianted with
[04:11] <Red_Herring> well i suggest knoppix
[04:11] <Red_Herring> !knoppix
[04:11] <saulgood> just started though so I know little to nothing about 8nix
[04:11] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1
[04:12] <saulgood> *nix
[04:12] <saulgood> k
[04:12] <Red_Herring> ubotu: why cant you accept other distros?
[04:12] <ubotu> Red_Herring: parse error: dunno what you're talking about
[04:12] <Red_Herring> stupid ubotu
[04:13] <laga> ubotu: yo momma is an eggdrop in ircnet
[04:13] <ubotu> laga: okay
[04:13] <laga> ubotu: yo momma
[04:13] <ubotu> yo momma is, like, an eggdrop in ircnet
[04:13] <laga> oh my god
[04:13] <Red_Herring> wha? it answered?
[04:14] <laga> :/
[04:14] <saulgood> btw knoppix doesnt make a powerpc distro
[04:14] <Red_Herring> ubotu: yo momma is so fat, she ways a lot
[04:14] <ubotu> ...but yo momma is already something else...
[04:14] <laga> i feel bad. kind of like teaching bad words to little children
[04:14] <Red_Herring> NICE
[04:14] <Red_Herring> saulgood: slax?
[04:14] <saulgood> slax hmm havent heard of it, looking into it
[04:14] <Red_Herring> saulgood: damn small linux?
[04:15] <Red_Herring> ubotu: yo momma doesnt exist
[04:15] <ubotu> Red_Herring: My cat's name is Mittens!
[04:15] <saulgood> lol nope
[04:15] <Red_Herring> good comeback
[04:15] <saulgood> im gonna look at fedora 4
[04:15] <Red_Herring> noooooooooooooooo
[04:16] <saulgood> ya they dont have a live it seems
[04:16] <Red_Herring> that too
[04:16] <saulgood> damn small linux is a distro?
[04:16] <Red_Herring> i think this and mepis are the only distros to have livecds too
[04:16] <Red_Herring> saulgood: yup, its a 50mb livecd
[04:17] <Red_Herring> i hate fc4
[04:17] <Red_Herring> i tried installing vlc on it...
[04:17] <Red_Herring> wow
[04:17] <saulgood> gentoo?
[04:17] <Red_Herring> no livecd
[04:17] <Red_Herring> but its nice
[04:17] <shawkins> gentoo...... likes speed to much
[04:17] <nikita> Red_Herring: i've installed the vlc and i have codecs installed, i have the sound but not the video =(
[04:18] <Red_Herring> if ya want vlc on it, prepare to download 30 or so RPMs
[04:18] <Red_Herring> nikita: is it a protected WMV?
[04:18] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[04:18] <ubotu> somebody said win32codecs was binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[04:19] <nikita> Red_Herring: protected?
[04:19] <Red_Herring> nikita: what WMV is this?
[04:19] <Red_Herring> a home movie you made?
[04:19] <saulgood> suse?
[04:19] <Red_Herring> or somethign you paid for
[04:19] <nikita> Red_Herring: it's a WMA, a tv rip, a small one
[04:19] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:19] <Red_Herring> tv rip
[04:19] <Red_Herring> did ya install win32codecs?
[04:19] <Red_Herring> you shouldnt need to
[04:20] <Red_Herring> but sometimes...
[04:20] <nikita> Red_Herring: i did
[04:20] <Red_Herring> did ya try mplayer?
[04:21] <nikita> Red_Herring: nope
[04:21] <Red_Herring> try that
[04:21] <nikita> Red_Herring: ok =)
[04:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have a problem with my laptop
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> particularly with klaptop
[04:28] <Red_Herring> really?
[04:28] <Red_Herring> like what
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it seems it can't switch anymore
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the profile
[04:28] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:28] <Red_Herring> power profiles?
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's always in userspace, and when i need hi performance (vmware) i can't switch
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[04:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> performance profiles
[04:29] <Red_Herring> sorry
[04:29] <Red_Herring> i never used those
[04:29] <Red_Herring> did you tinker with it?
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tinker?
[04:29] <Red_Herring> as in mess with the settings
[04:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no
[04:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i didn't touch it for looooooong time
[04:30] <Red_Herring> well... thats very odd
[04:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i konw
[04:30] <Red_Herring> did you do ANYTHING out of the ordenary
[04:30] <Red_Herring> install anything...
[04:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only thing that i did was to update KDE to 1.5
[04:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> 3.5
[04:30] <Red_Herring> well thats it
[04:30] <Red_Herring> thats a VERY big thing
[04:30] <Red_Herring> klaptop was also upgraded
[04:31] <Red_Herring> but it was backported to breezy
[04:31] <Red_Herring> so some features dont work
[04:31] <Red_Herring> unfortunatly one of them may be yours
[04:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[04:31] <nikita> Red_Herring: yay, it works. though it's like "jumping" (the video&sound)
[04:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i'll try to reinstall klaptop
[04:31] <Red_Herring> you can try
[04:31] <Red_Herring> nikita: i will take note of that
[04:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it happened a weird thing with noatun too
[04:32] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it can't reproduce anything by now
[04:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but mplayer can
[04:32] <Red_Herring> are those part of the kde3.5 repo?
[04:32] <Red_Herring> because if they arent
[04:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a GUI for mplayer for kde?
[04:32] <Red_Herring> then thats why
[04:32] <Red_Herring> Tallia1Kubuntu: i think you can skin it
[04:33] <nikita> Red_Herring: thanks a lot
[04:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> KPlayer - MPlayer based media player for KDE
[04:33] <Red_Herring> nikita: no problem
[04:36] <bouncing> python-profiler seems missing on kubuntu...
[04:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> compile it
[04:37] <bouncing> boooo
[04:37] <Red_Herring> !python-profiler
[04:37] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Wish i knew
[04:37] <Red_Herring> sorry, ubotu cant find it
[04:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> !kplayer
[04:38] <ubotu> Tallia1Kubuntu: parse error: dunno what you're talking about
[04:38] <bouncing> Package python2.4-profiler is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:38] <bouncing> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:38] <Red_Herring> !kmplayer
[04:38] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Syntax error in line 1
[04:38] <Red_Herring> bouncing: use aptitude
[04:38] <Red_Herring> it gets around those
[04:39] <nbd1> helo!
[04:39] <nbd1> i have a question
[04:39] <Red_Herring> ok
[04:39] <nbd1> i can do ?
[04:40] <Red_Herring> ?
[04:40] <nbd1> i install apache2
[04:40] <nbd1> apt-get install apache2
[04:40] <Red_Herring> ok
[04:40] <bouncing> Red_Herring: I can't find python-profiler in aptitude
[04:40] <nbd1> and
[04:40] <Red_Herring> bouncing: aptitude install python-profiler
[04:40] <nbd1> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[04:40] <nbd1> but
[04:40] <Red_Herring> it gets around dependencies
[04:41] <nbd1> the page <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:41] <nbd1> time out .
[04:41] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:41] <bouncing> Red_Herring: I get "No candidate version found for python-profiler"
[04:41] <Red_Herring> bouncing: well... im out of suggestions
[04:42] <nbd1> iptables --list
[04:42] <nbd1> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:www
[04:42] <nbd1> why i have a time out ?
[04:43] <Red_Herring> nbd1: you test it from outside your network?
[04:43] <nbd1> no
[04:43] <nbd1> inside
[04:43] <Red_Herring> like your computer's internal ip address?
[04:43] <nbd1> the same machine
[04:43] <Red_Herring> its not that big of a deal if its internal ip times out... right?
[04:43] <nbd1> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:44] <nbd1> this is my ip
[04:44] <nbd1> but
[04:44] <nbd1> if a do an netstat
[04:44] <nbd1> port 80 is not there
[04:45] <Red_Herring> ok... i dont know where the problem lies
[04:45] <Red_Herring> but i can get to your site fine from here
[04:45] <nbd1> you can see the apache home page ?
[04:45] <Red_Herring> so unless you think it is some sort of securety risk...
[04:45] <Red_Herring> nbd1: not the home page
[04:45] <Red_Herring> but i can get to the page
[04:46] <Red_Herring> where it says whats in teh file
[04:46] <Red_Herring> which i presum to be /var/www
[04:46] <nbd1> yep
[04:47] <Red_Herring> well... try going there yourself
[04:47] <Red_Herring> are you an expert at this?
[04:47] <Red_Herring> because i got a simple debian server running
[04:47] <Red_Herring> but thats it
[04:47] <nbd1> im not an expert
[04:47] <nbd1> i am newbie in linux
[04:48] <Red_Herring> well
[04:48] <Red_Herring> it seems to work
[04:48] <Red_Herring> go there yourself
[04:48] <Red_Herring> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:49] <nbd1>  :(
[04:50] <Red_Herring> what?
[04:50] <Red_Herring> it works, doesnt it?
[04:50] <nbd1> time out
[04:51] <nbd1> the problem is
[04:51] <nbd1> that i can see de page
[04:51] <nbd1> but you can
[04:51] <nbd1> you can see
[04:51] <nbd1> "hola mundo"
[04:52] <Red_Herring> what?
[04:52] <nbd1> you can se an apache directory  yes?
[04:52] <Red_Herring> no, what i see is a foldr labled "apache2-defaults" and one labled "pepe"
[04:52] <nbd1> but i cant
[04:52] <nbd1> yes
[04:52] <nbd1> i cant see that
[04:52] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:52] <Red_Herring> what browser are you using?
[04:53] <nbd1> firefox 1.5
[04:53] <Red_Herring> and what language is it?
[04:53] <nbd1> spanish
[04:53] <nbd1> latin
[04:53] <Red_Herring> hmm
[04:53] <Red_Herring> that may be the cause
[04:53] <Red_Herring> im not sure how apache handles those
[04:54] <Red_Herring> do you know about index.html and stuff?
[04:54] <nbd1> but konqueror have the same problem
[04:54] <nbd1> what ?
[04:54] <Red_Herring> nbd1: do you have an index.html
[04:54] <Red_Herring> apache's default webpage is index.html
[04:55] <nbd1> i have de default instalation
[04:55] <Red_Herring> when you go to <IP_ADDRESS>, it sends index.html, unless it sint there
[04:55] <Red_Herring> you need to make it
[04:55] <nbd1> im only make the "pepe" diretory
[04:55] <Red_Herring> just copy index.html from the pepe directory to the /var/www directory
[04:55] <nbd1> ok
[04:55] <nbd1> waitme
[04:57] <nbd1> ok
[04:57] <nbd1> the index.html y now in /var/www
[04:57] <Red_Herring> nice
[04:57] <Red_Herring> it now works
[04:58] <Red_Herring> go to <IP_ADDRESS>, and you should see hola mundo
[04:58] <fatejudger> what is that linux sound irc channel?
[04:58] <fatejudger> I can't get my audigy 2 nx to work in Linux
[04:59] <Red_Herring> #alsa?
[04:59] <Red_Herring> or #oss
[04:59] <Red_Herring> try those
[04:59] <nbd1> i cant see :(
[04:59] <Red_Herring> really?
[04:59] <Red_Herring> thats odd
[04:59] <nbd1> i cant.. i dont now
[05:00] <Red_Herring> try changing your identifyer for your web browser
[05:00] <Red_Herring> becaue i can see it fine
[05:00] <fatejudger> do I have to restart or something?
[05:00] <Red_Herring> nah
[05:00] <Red_Herring> it shouldnt be that hard
[05:04] <nbd1> sory but
[05:04] <nbd1> how i change mi idenfiyer in firefox ?
[05:04] <_gtakito> can someone help me
[05:04] <Red_Herring> use konqueror
[05:04] <Red_Herring> its easy to change it there
[05:05] <Red_Herring> _gtakito: what?
[05:05] <_gtakito> I have a 630m notebook, and according to wiki it needs 915resolution for display fix
[05:05] <_gtakito> but i am having trouble making it work right
[05:05] <Red_Herring> the resolution?
[05:05] <_gtakito> yea, this notebook needs 1280x800
[05:05] <Red_Herring> hmm
[05:05] <_gtakito> but it wont go that resolution
[05:05] <Red_Herring> well
[05:05] <Red_Herring> it will
[05:05] <_gtakito> how?
[05:05] <Red_Herring> its just tought to configure
[05:06] <_gtakito> kk help me out
[05:06] <Red_Herring> ok
[05:06] <Red_Herring> first
[05:06] <Red_Herring> get into the terminal
[05:06] <Red_Herring> konsole, etc.
[05:06] <_gtakito> in
[05:06] <Red_Herring> sudo -s
[05:06] <Red_Herring> cd /etc/X11
[05:06] <Red_Herring> cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak
[05:06] <_gtakito> k im in
[05:07] <Red_Herring> got those?
[05:07] <_gtakito> yes
[05:07] <_gtakito> now what
[05:07] <Red_Herring> ok, now kate/yourfavorite editor xorg.conf
[05:07] <Red_Herring> then go down to teh section where it lists screen resolutions
[05:08] <Red_Herring> its near the bottom
[05:08] <_gtakito> k
[05:08] <Red_Herring> now add a section to the resolution section that is your resolution
[05:08] <_gtakito> seems to list them all, but they arent options in my display settings
[05:08] <Red_Herring> hold on
[05:09] <_gtakito> they have 1280x800 there
[05:09] <_gtakito> already
[05:09] <_gtakito> but max display in options is 1024x768
[05:10] <Red_Herring> hmm
[05:10] <Red_Herring> thats odd
[05:10] <nbd1> Red_Herring: i change my identify , but it not work
[05:10] <_gtakito> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting/DellInspiron630m?highlight=%28630m%29
[05:10] <Red_Herring> nbd1: what do you see?
[05:10] <_gtakito> read that
[05:10] <nbd1> time out
[05:10] <_gtakito> says to use 915resolution, which is supposed to be easy
[05:11] <Red_Herring> !915resolution
[05:11] <ubotu> Red_Herring: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:11] <_gtakito> but when I use it, it makes my screen pull to the left, and all black space on the right
[05:11] <_gtakito> square, not wide at all
[05:11] <Red_Herring> where is this 915resolution?
[05:11] <Red_Herring> is it a program?
[05:12] <Red_Herring> a driver?
[05:12] <_gtakito> http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/
[05:12] <_gtakito> dunno, but it changes something in RAM
[05:12] <_gtakito> program i guess
[05:12] <_gtakito> check it out and see if you can understand
[05:13] <nbd1> Red_Herring:
[05:13] <Red_Herring> Option "ForceBIOS" "1024x768=1200x800"
[05:13] <nbd1> i need to configure iptables ?
[05:13] <Red_Herring> you try that?
[05:13] <Red_Herring> nbd1: why would you need that?
[05:13] <_gtakito> yes, it did absolutley nothing
[05:13] <_gtakito> even after restart
[05:14] <_gtakito> and I did type it right
[05:14] <Red_Herring> is the driver installed correctly?
[05:14] <nbd1> because i cant see the page
[05:15] <Red_Herring> i think the iptables may be the problem
[05:16] <nbd1> this is mi iptables --list
[05:16] <nbd1> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:www
[05:16] <nbd1> TCPMSS     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp flags:SYN,RST/SYN tcpmss match 1400:1536 TCPMSS clamp to PMTU
[05:16] <nbd1> only this
[05:17] <nbd1> need another line
[05:17] <Red_Herring> not sure at all
[05:17] <Red_Herring> i know just the basics on this
[05:17] <Red_Herring> try and ask someone else
[05:17] <Red_Herring> sorry
[05:18] <Red_Herring> this one is tough
[05:18] <nbd1> :(
[05:18] <nbd1> ok
[05:22] <Red_Herring> whats the terminal command to make a new user?
[05:22] <_grigory> hi all
[05:22] <Red_Herring> hi
[05:22] <_grigory> did any one installed wxPython?
[05:22] <_grigory> install*
[05:22] <Red_Herring> nah
[05:22] <_gtakito> sorry Red_Herring
[05:22] <_gtakito> got disconnected
[05:23] <_gtakito> did you figure anything out from that page
[05:23] <_gtakito> my screen just refuses to go wide
[05:23] <Red_Herring> well...
[05:23] <Red_Herring> are you SURE you have the driver installed?
[05:23] <_grigory> oh... get tired of kTorrent no wanting to seed, downloaded bittornado, it requires Python and wxPython installed... i managed to install Python, wxWidgets, but having problems with the last one
[05:23] <_gtakito> what driver?
[05:24] <Red_Herring> doesnt 915resolution require a driver?
[05:24] <_gtakito> xorg uses i815
[05:25] <_gtakito> Is that the right driver
[05:25] <_gtakito> how do i see if theres an update
[05:25] <Red_Herring> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/i915Driver
[05:25] <Red_Herring> did ya see that?
[05:25] <_gtakito> hm
[05:25] <_gtakito> yea i did
[05:26] <Red_Herring> so, what happens when you do 915resolution -l?
[05:27] <_gtakito> lists all modes
[05:27] <_gtakito> but those modes arent available to use in configure options
[05:27] <Red_Herring> did you try the command exactally?
[05:27] <_gtakito> yes
[05:27] <Red_Herring> well thats the thing
[05:28] <Red_Herring> im assuming you changed the numbers, right?
[05:28] <_gtakito> yes
[05:28] <_gtakito> but it changes it wrong
[05:29] <_gtakito> makes it go to the left, right side has buncha black space
[05:29] <Red_Herring> really?
[05:29] <Red_Herring> is your laptop supported by 915resolution?
[05:29] <_gtakito> yes
[05:29] <Red_Herring> hmm
[05:29] <_gtakito> look up 630m in the wiki
[05:29] <_gtakito> my notebook is there, tested and works
[05:31] <Red_Herring> thats a bizzare one
[05:31] <Red_Herring> im not sure what is going on
[05:32] <Red_Herring> i would see what people with your laptop did
[05:32] <_gtakito> seeems like ive tried everything
[05:32] <_gtakito> hm wait a minute, i have one more idea
[05:32] <_gtakito> do you know how do make the 915 resolution command happen before X starts?
[05:33] <_gtakito> automatically on login
[05:33] <_gtakito> where do I do with it, im a linux newb
[05:33] <Red_Herring> you need to make it run at startup
[05:33] <_gtakito> what file do I edit
[05:33] <Red_Herring> ummm
[05:34] <Red_Herring> sorry, actually right here i need some help too
[05:34] <Red_Herring> i dont know where you put that stuff
[05:34] <_gtakito> hmmm
[05:34] <dbglt> use /etc/init.d/blah
[05:35] <_gtakito> ah
[05:35] <dbglt> _gtakito: when do you want to do it?
[05:35] <dbglt> _gtakito: only when X comes up? Or all times?
[05:35] <_gtakito> files in init.d start at startup?
[05:36] <dbglt> _gtakito: those are what are known as the boot scripts. Not all of them do, have to configure it
[05:36] <dbglt> _gtakito: you can add it to .xinitrc or other types files. Possibly kdmrc if you want it to start before X does
[05:37] <dbglt> _gtakito: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/07/adding-a-startup-script-to-be-run-at-bootup/
[05:38] <dbglt> if you need to script that... just a simple
[05:38] <dbglt> #!/bin/bash
[05:38] <dbglt> (whatever you need to run)
[05:38] <_gtakito> I want it to happen when X starts
[05:38] <_gtakito> right before it does
[05:38] <_gtakito> or at boot before it does
[05:38] <_gtakito> anytime before is ok
[05:38] <_gtakito> so what exactly do I do
[05:39] <dbglt> not closing konversation is usually a start!
[05:39] <dbglt> :0
[05:39] <Red_Herring> nice job
[05:39] <_gtakito> sorry guys
[05:39] <dbglt> _gtakito: you make a script
[05:39] <Red_Herring> sorry
[05:39] <_gtakito> I didnt get any of that
[05:39] <_gtakito> k what script
[05:39] <dbglt> _gtakito: then you follow the instructions I sent you
[05:39] <_gtakito> I didnt get any
[05:39] <dbglt> _gtakito: #!/bin/bash on the first line, then whatever else needs to be done
[05:39] <dbglt> http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2005/09/07/adding-a-startup-script-to-be-run-at-bootup/
[05:40] <dbglt> _gtakito: what command do you have to run?
[05:40] <_gtakito> sudo 915resolution 34 1280 800 32
[05:41] <_gtakito> is what I want to run
[05:41] <dbglt> well you don't need sudo
[05:41] <_gtakito> k
[05:41] <dbglt> just do the #!/bin/bash, then on the next line that
[05:41] <dbglt> save it
[05:41] <dbglt> chmod +x it
[05:41] <dbglt> then follow directions on that web link
[05:41] <dbglt> it is pretty simple
[05:42] <_gtakito> k thanks
[05:44] <rance> I need a little nudge in the right direction, Ive installed mplayer and downloaded a wmv file, when I play it, mplayer crashes after the first half second or so of sound, with an error about video decoding, whats the missing piece please
[05:45] <Red_Herring> yeha
[05:45] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[05:45] <ubotu> rumour has it, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[06:06] <saulgood> ok
[06:06] <saulgood> i'm back
[06:06] <saulgood> need help
[06:06] <saulgood> for OS X
[06:06] <saulgood> anybody awake
[06:07] <Demented> hello
[06:07] <saulgood> howdy
[06:08] <saulgood> are you a kubuntu expert?
[06:08] <Demented> hell no
[06:08] <Demented> im installing my first version of linux, which is kubuntu
[06:08] <saulgood> haha im trying to run a live cd on mac...this thing is crapping on me
[06:08] <Tm_T> Kubuntu <3
[06:09] <Tm_T> saulgood: mac & livecd is known to have some trouble sometimes
[06:09] <Tm_T> at least I've heard lots
[06:09] <Demented> well, im trying to install it, but when i boot up, all it is is like d0s, and i dont know now how to load the desktop :-/ i know how n00b that sounds tooo
[06:09] <Red_Herring> startx
[06:09] <Demented> i did that
[06:09] <saulgood> would you be able to tell me anything if I gave you some lines of stuff it spit at me before freezing up?
[06:09] <Demented> got an error
[06:09] <Demented> must be super user...
[06:09] <Demented> and i loged in with my username and password
[06:10] <Red_Herring> hmm
[06:10] <Red_Herring> thats odd
[06:10] <Demented> well im reinstalling right nwo
[06:10] <Red_Herring> ok
[06:10] <Demented> gimme like 10 minutes and ill try again
[06:11] <Red_Herring> ok
[06:11] <saulgood> I have an iMac g5, newest powerpc processor before they went Intel and I tried both "live" methods on "boot:"....they both make the fan spin loudly in the back and give me the following...."To continue booting type mac-boot and hit enter, to shut down type shutdown and hit enter. Reducing system power. Release keys to continue!"  CF000012. Setup Arch" and stops
[06:13] <Red_Herring> no
[06:13] <Demented> ok good
[06:13] <saulgood> so im clueless
[06:14] <Red_Herring> saulgood: first off, ppc support for livecd is bad to begin with
[06:14] <Red_Herring> second, 64 bit ppc is even less supported
[06:14] <saulgood> lol
[06:14] <saulgood> not what i wanted to hear lol....but the partition is on there
[06:15] <saulgood> at what point could I hit ctrl x to go to console mode only
[06:15] <Red_Herring> sorry
[06:15] <Red_Herring> if ya wanna try installing a distro
[06:15] <Demented> jesus, the partitioner freeze every time it gets to 61 percent when its writing the partitions
[06:15] <Red_Herring> NOT a livecd
[06:15] <Red_Herring> there is support for it out there
[06:16] <Red_Herring> Demented: thats called a bad hard drive
[06:16] <saulgood> Red, thanks but I looked and none but kub exist
[06:16] <saulgood> well live i mean
[06:16] <Red_Herring> saulgood: not kubuntu
[06:17] <Demented> well the partitionar went through the first time i tried...
[06:17] <Paradosso> hi everybody
[06:17] <saulgood> howdy
[06:17] <Paradosso> I've got a large video file here which I'd like to have divided in two
[06:17] <Red_Herring> hi
[06:17] <Paradosso> any known utility for that?
[06:17] <Paradosso> it's in .mp4 format
[06:17] <Red_Herring> video you say...
[06:17] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[06:17] <Demented> hey red
[06:18] <Red_Herring> !video editing
[06:18] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:18] <Demented> when i choose how to partition my hard drive, do i choose the first one "erase all" or the "erase all and use LVM"
[06:18] <Red_Herring> Demented: dont use lvm, unless the normal one doenst work
[06:18] <Paradosso> !avichop
[06:18] <ubotu> Paradosso: My cat's name is Mittens!
[06:18] <Demented> ok, j/w what it was
[06:19] <Red_Herring> !avichop
[06:19] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:19] <Red_Herring> hes right!
[06:21] <Red_Herring> !videodub
[06:21] <ubotu> Red_Herring: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:21] <Red_Herring> !kino
[06:21] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese, Red_Herring
[06:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi i have a question
[06:24] <Red_Herring> hi
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just installed kmplayer mplayer frontend extension using a deb package
[06:25] <Red_Herring> ok
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> during the installation some errors due to incorrect library version installed appeared
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> synaptics now tells me that the package is broken
[06:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but the program runs perfectly!!
[06:26] <Red_Herring> really?
[06:26] <Red_Herring> well
[06:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yess
[06:26] <Red_Herring> that can happen
[06:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but can i make feel synaptics like that there's not error?
[06:26] <Red_Herring> technically it isnt compatable for that library, but in reality it works jsut fine
[06:27] <Red_Herring> try to fix broken packages using synaptic
[06:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes, it thinks it's only because the library, once ported to ubuntu have changed version name
[06:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> look at this
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Jo8hvl53.html
[06:28] <Red_Herring> but it installed?
[06:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[06:29] <Red_Herring> well...
[06:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but once i open synaptics it is revealed as broken package
[06:29] <Red_Herring> it seems like you have older libraries than it acutally needs
[06:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and if i resolve it
[06:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it uninstall the package
[06:29] <Red_Herring> yeah
[06:29] <Red_Herring> it woudl be a good idea to remove it
[06:29] <Red_Herring> because it could start acting crazy on you
[06:30] <Red_Herring> but if it seems stable
[06:30] <Red_Herring> just leave it, and ignore the constant rantings of synaptic
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu>  kplayer depends on libxrender1 (>> 1:0.9.0-1); however:
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu>   Version of libxrender1 on system is 1:0.9.0-1.
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't really undersand this eror
[06:32] <Red_Herring> it means it needs anthing better than what you have
[06:33] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm, where are you trying to install kplayer from?
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> command line
[06:33] <Red_Herring> the >> apparently means greaterthan and not including
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[06:33] <robotgeek> i meant which repository?
[06:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> noone from kmplayer website
[06:34] <Red_Herring> kmplayer is not in the repos
[06:34] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: yeah, that won't work unless you get a upgraded version of libxrender1, which again might lead to difficulties
[06:34] <Red_Herring> we should request it
[06:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i know
[06:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can you?
[06:34] <Red_Herring> robotgeek: no, he says it works
[06:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i tried only the basic functionalities
[06:35] <Red_Herring> robotgeek: any idea how to request packages?
[06:35] <robotgeek> Red_Herring: i doubt it will be added to the repositories
[06:35] <Red_Herring> why?
[06:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why?
[06:35] <Red_Herring> its nice
[06:35] <robotgeek> i mean for dapper, yes
[06:35] <Red_Herring> i know
[06:36] <Red_Herring> not for breezy
[06:36] <Red_Herring> but for dapper, it would be nice to have it
[06:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it looks very cool
[06:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am using it now
[06:37] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[06:37] <robotgeek> add that to the list
[06:39] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how? i can't see any interaction form
[06:39] <robotgeek> hmm, packages.debian.org is down, sigh
[06:39] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: just edit the wiki, and add it to the bottom, or just wait a minute
[06:42] <robotgeek> Tallia1Kubuntu: it's already in the list here, https://wiki.ubuntu.org/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[06:47] <trekkor> i installed drupal but i can't run it... no "drupal" is available at a bash prompt. how am i supposed to access it?
[06:48] <robotgeek> trekkor: how did you install it? from adept/apt-get ?
[06:49] <trekkor> robotgeek: sudo apt-get install drupal
[06:50] <Red_Herring> hey would ya look at taht, futurama is gonna come back!
[06:50] <Red_Herring> 4 dvd movies!
[06:50] <robotgeek> trekkor: maybe /usr/share/doc/drupal/examples (or readme) has relevant information?
[06:51] <trekkor> robotgeek: thanks
[06:51] <Red_Herring> doesnt anyone else here like futurama?
[06:51] <trekkor> robotgeek: i thought it provided some executable daemon andor some <IP_ADDRESS> port for setup
[06:52] <robotgeek> trekkor: but i think you have to setup apache correctly for drupal
[06:52] <robotgeek> i had to do the same thing for moin, so you might have to do that for drupal
[06:52] <trekkor> robotgeek: i see. thank you.
[06:52] <robotgeek> sure
[07:40] <jase> hello
[07:41] <jase> hmm
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can you tell me something?
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> oh nada
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i know what's happened
[08:24] <Miltiadis> hi ppl:-]
[08:28] <trekkor> is there any way to use apt-get while another user has synaptic open (but is not using it atm)?
[08:28] <Miltiadis> I've got DWL-G650 wireless on my desktop and I want to copy file FwRad16.bin to /lib/hotplug/firmware but the konquer don't let me...any help???
[08:31] <snowowl> does anyone use limewire
[08:33] <starscalling> snowowl, what cha need
[08:37] <shnastybiznastic> so I want to tell amarok to use my music files from across the network...  but it only accepts real locations in the filesystem,  is there some trick, or do I need to smbmount the shares?
[08:44] <quiet> hey i installed with adept the nvidia drivers, do i got to restart, and where do i see nvidia settings?
[08:49] <LiteHedded> i have kubuntu installed!
[08:49] <LiteHedded> it installed my wifi out of the box!
[08:51] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: what wifi do you have, intel 2200?
[08:51] <LiteHedded> prism54
[08:51] <shnastybiznastic> ah, I bet it did then, I need to get a prism card
[08:51] <LiteHedded> hmmm my web browser isn't working now
[08:52] <LiteHedded> oh ok nm
[08:53] <LiteHedded> my control and alt keys aren't working!
[08:53] <LiteHedded> wait nm
[08:54] <Miltiadis> how do I change persmissions in a dir???
[08:56] <shnastybiznastic> hrmn, I use chmod, but I'm sure these fine people have a gui-rific method
[08:58] <shnastybiznastic> chmod -<options> <octal code> file or folder
[08:58] <LiteHedded> gotta say I really dig kubuntu
[08:58] <LiteHedded> why the sudo?
[08:59] <shnastybiznastic> in general?
[09:00] <iantec> hi, i tried installing my printer using the add printer wizard but still its not responding .... im using hp 720 c
[09:01] <LiteHedded> I need help setting up apt-get sources
[09:01] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: the idea is that it's annoying (and to a large extent, useless) to have a user remember root's password in addition to thier own, so you use the sudo command, it asks you for your own password, and you can do things as root, without knowing it's password.
[09:02] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: I don't agree with this philosophy yet, but it's a good idea.
[09:02] <Captainbraille> Well said shnastybiznastic
[09:02] <LiteHedded> can you help me set up apt-get?
[09:04] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: I can try...
[09:04] <LiteHedded> i want to install irssi but it says not available.
[09:04] <LiteHedded> you can add sources right?
[09:04] <shnastybiznastic> Captainbraille: thanks, I may get the talking points wrong, I'm on my first ubuntu (or debian for that matter) install
[09:05] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: yeah, you need to add the universe and (mabye) multiverse repositories
[09:06] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: lets see, you would be in KDE, right?
[09:06] <LiteHedded> yes
[09:09] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: then go K > system > package manager
[09:09] <LiteHedded> I prefer using apt on the command line
[09:10] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: ah, I completley misunderstood, is apt installed?
[09:12] <LiteHedded> I believe by default
[09:12] <LiteHedded> yea I can use apt-get
[09:13] <LiteHedded> you there?
[09:15] <LiteHedded> ?
[09:15] <fatejudger> help, I can't boot Dapper anymore
[09:15] <fatejudger> kdm won't start
[09:15] <fatejudger> it doesn't give any errors
[09:16] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: sorry, fighting with amarok
[09:16] <LiteHedded> heh
[09:17] <fatejudger> does anyone here use Dapper?
[09:17] <fatejudger> because I think it might have been one of the newer packages
[09:17] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: i do, gettign the latest updates at the moment
[09:18] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: after I restarted, kdm wouldn't boot
[09:18] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[09:18] <fatejudger> I wondering if there's anything I can do
[09:19] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: I believe (this is coming from a slackware user, so big grain of salt) that you may need to add the universe tag (or it's deb. equivalant) to the repos ou have now.
[09:19] <fatejudger> because I can only use the CLI ATM
[09:19] <fatejudger> and bitchx really sucks
[09:19] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: startx?
[09:19] <LiteHedded> how do I do that?
[09:19] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: sudo kdm
[09:19] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: I have no idea, but I'm looking :)
[09:20] <LiteHedded> I'm doing it through the gui package manager
[09:20] <fatejudger> the libglcore and fglrx modules just disappeared!
[09:20] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: yeah, i'd try startx to bypass kdm in it's entirety
[09:20] <fatejudger> that's what startx says anyway
[09:20] <fatejudger> it can't find those modules
[09:20] <LiteHedded> at the end of apt-get update I get this:
[09:20] <LiteHedded> Fetched 3250kB in 7s (427kB/s)
[09:20] <LiteHedded> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:20] <LiteHedded> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:20] <fatejudger> LiteHedded: you have apt open
[09:20] <Hobbsee> LiteHedded: close synaptic/adept/any other apt-get windows
[09:20] <LiteHedded> ok
[09:21] <LiteHedded> okdone
[09:21] <LiteHedded> I'm trying to install irssi
[09:21] <LiteHedded>  I get this:
[09:21] <LiteHedded> Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:21] <LiteHedded> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:21] <LiteHedded> is only available from another source
[09:21] <LiteHedded> E: Package irssi has no installation candidate
[09:21] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: could you do me a favor and paste the text from the ubuntu guide on how to add the fglrx module in here?
[09:21] <LiteHedded> but my friend just used apt-get to install irssi
[09:22] <fatejudger> LiteHedded: use Konversation
[09:22] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: as in, from ubuntuguide.org - or is there another guide?
[09:22] <LiteHedded> I am
[09:22] <LiteHedded> but I prefer irssi.
[09:22] <LiteHedded> that's no solution though!
[09:22] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I think ubotu knows of it
[09:22] <LiteHedded> :)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> !fglrx
[09:22] <ubotu> fglrx is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: do you have uni and multi enabled?
[09:22] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: that one?
[09:22] <LiteHedded> I think so
[09:22] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yes
[09:23] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: somewhere in there there is a line that shows how to add it as a module
[09:23] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: w3m or elinks - w3m's installed by default
[09:23] <Hobbsee> looking
[09:23] <LiteHedded> hmm irssi is already installed
[09:23] <shnastybiznastic> LiteHedded: does it say multiverse in one of the columns when you manage repositories in adept?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hmmm...cant see anything about modules
[09:23] <Hobbsee> ati card?
[09:23] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: are you sure?
[09:23] <LiteHedded> i had universe enabled not multi
[09:24] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: yeah
[09:24] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: fire up w3m and have a look :P
[09:24] <fatejudger> !ati
[09:24] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:24] <fatejudger> the first link
[09:24] <fatejudger> try that
[09:24] <Hobbsee> yep
[09:24] <fatejudger> I wish you could copy + paste in the CLI
[09:24] <shnastybiznastic> you can
[09:25] <shnastybiznastic> mith middle click
[09:25] <shnastybiznastic> wait...
[09:25] <shnastybiznastic> yes, it is possible
[09:26] <shnastybiznastic> fatejudger: you highlight the thing you want, then middle click
[09:26] <shnastybiznastic> and it puts it there
[09:26] <fatejudger> I said in the CLI
[09:26] <fatejudger> not in KDE
[09:26] <fatejudger> do you know what CLI stands for?
[09:26] <fatejudger> Command Line Interface
[09:26] <fatejudger> there isn't any highlighting going on in here
[09:26] <shnastybiznastic> fatejudger: I use slackware, if you have GPM then you can use a mouse in the CLI
[09:26] <shnastybiznastic> then you need GPM
[09:26] <fatejudger> I can't load X!
[09:27] <shnastybiznastic> GPM dosent use x, just it's taisty drivers.
[09:28] <shnastybiznastic> but I see your point, and cede my lack of understanding via your situation
[09:28] <fatejudger> !ati
[09:28] <ubotu> it has been said that ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:28] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: this?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> #
[09:28] <Hobbsee> Add fglrx to /etc/modules:
[09:28] <Hobbsee> echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[09:29] <Hobbsee> #
[09:29] <Hobbsee> Change 'ati' to 'fglrx' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:29] <Hobbsee> sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:29] <fatejudger> thanks
[09:29] <fatejudger> I just found it in w3m as you said that
[09:29] <fatejudger> lol
[09:30] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[09:30] <fatejudger> ok, I guess I need to restart to load the ATI module
[09:30] <fatejudger> brb
[09:33] <_grigory> can anyone help me setting up PHP + apache?
[09:34] <_grigory> i installed and configured apache, compiled and install php, but the server won't start now:
[09:34] <_grigory> httpd: Syntax error on line 417 of /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: sqlite3IdListDelete
[09:34] <_grigory> can't get past it :(
[09:35] <_grigory> any help would be appreciated
[09:35] <_grigory> !php
[09:35] <ubotu> hmm... lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:35] <_grigory> oh...
[09:36] <Captainbraille> anyone want to answer a question that I'm sure is super easy
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: shoot, we might be able to :P
[09:37] <fatejudger> well this is slightly ironic
[09:37] <fatejudger> I got everything to work by using the open source ati drivers
[09:37] <fatejudger> instead of the proprietary ATI ones
[09:37] <fatejudger> I would assume that has nothing to do with the drivers themselves
[09:37] <fatejudger> just the packages or something
[09:37] <_grigory> even TVOut? ccant get that to work properly
[09:37] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: weird
[09:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: seriously
[09:38] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: but I don't want to use the open source ones
[09:38] <Captainbraille> Thanks Hobbsee =), okay, I just installed Kubuntu 5.1 Breezy, and want to update to 3.5m right? So I go to this page.. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php  .. and it says "You can download the KDE packages from any of these sources (add to /etc/apt/sources.list)"  and then it shows "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main" thats the right thing to do right?
[09:38] <iantec> how do i instyall easy kubuntu .deb package?
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: yep, just follow all the instructions on that page :)
[09:38] <fatejudger> iantec: by eating it
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:39] <iantec> yeh funny
[09:39] <fatejudger> lol
[09:39] <iantec> thnks for the help
[09:39] <Hobbsee> !deb
[09:39] <ubotu> To install a deb: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:39] <fatejudger> I also notice that network doesn't autoconfig anymore
[09:40] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee: Well, I opened up sorces.list - and it won't let me save it after I add that line =\
[09:40] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: try kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:41] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: do you have an ATI card?
[09:41] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: indeed I do not, nor a nvidia card
[09:41] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee: should I just add it to the bottom of the list? or does it matter where? and does it need a # infront of it?
[09:41] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well I want to revert back to the proprietary drivers, the open source ones don't really perform at the super high rez I have to use
[09:42] <fatejudger> I wish Riddell was on
[09:42] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: yes, the bottom is fine, you dont want the # in front of it
[09:42] <fatejudger> he's up to date on every little thing that happens with Kubuntu
[09:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:42] <Hobbsee> where is he?
[09:42] <fatejudger> so if some faulty fglrx package was updated
[09:42] <fatejudger> I dunno, he never answers
[09:42] <fatejudger> !ati
[09:42] <ubotu> [ati]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[09:42] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee: You rock!
[09:43] <quiet> i cant do admin stuff, when it asks password and i enter it, it gives error: DCOP communication error - check dcopserver is running - but i cant see in services becos it aint taking password
[09:43] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: glad to see it worked :)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> quiet: in a terminal, type dcopserver
[09:44] <Hobbsee> it'll give an error if it's already running
[09:44] <fatejudger> you know what
[09:44] <fatejudger> I bet I know what happened
[09:44] <fatejudger> they probably updated the kernel
[09:44] <fatejudger> and didn't update the drivers to go along with it
[09:44] <quiet> it says DCOPserver its running
[09:44] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: ugh
[09:44] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: sounds probably though, huh
[09:45] <fatejudger> *probable
[09:45] <Hobbsee> got no idea, but it sounds likely
[09:45] <aftertaf> hi ppl
[09:46] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee, can I ask one more thing?
[09:46] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: sure
[09:46] <aftertaf> lol
[09:46] <aftertaf> joys of dapper
[09:46] <Captainbraille> The command you gave me, what does it mean? Why/ how did it work? I guess it's more of a two part question, haha
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:47] <Hobbsee> !+kdesu
[09:47] <ubotu> rumour has it, kdesu is :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[09:47] <iantec> well
[09:47] <iantec> iantec@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -i easykubuntu-0.6.1.deb
[09:47] <iantec> (Reading database ... 121454 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:47] <iantec> Preparing to replace easykubuntu 0.6.1 (using easykubuntu-0.6.1.deb) ...
[09:47] <iantec> Unpacking replacement easykubuntu ...
[09:47] <iantec> Setting up easykubuntu (0.6.1) ...
[09:47] <iantec> iantec@ubuntu:~$
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: kwrite is a text editor, like kate, nano, etc
[09:47] <iantec> what do i do nexT?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> !tell iantec about pastebin
[09:47] <fatejudger> iantec: use pastebin
[09:47] <iantec> sorry i was about to use pastebin but my net is in a crawl
[09:48] <Hobbsee> iantec: means it has installed
[09:48] <iantec> so how do is use it?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> got no idea, never used easy kubuntu
[09:48] <aftertaf> keeping busy Hobbsee ? :)
[09:49] <Captainbraille> Hobbsee: okay, thanks =) That makes more sense
[09:49] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: just got home from a beach holiday, almost 2 hours ago
[09:49] <Hobbsee> Captainbraille: no problems :)
[09:49] <aftertaf> nice :)
[09:49] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: no internet connection though
[09:49] <aftertaf> Hobbsee: if its any consolation, all updates work ok, i rebooted this morning.... just not on kernel 15.14
[09:49] <quiet> when it says X needs to be restarted that means what? computer or session?
[09:50] <aftertaf> Hobbsee: we have to learn to live without constant tcp/ip ;)
[09:50] <Hobbsee> quiet: session, ctrl alt backspace
[09:50] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: yeah, i did, it sucks!
[09:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:50] <aftertaf> quiet: X is graphics session......
[09:50] <quiet> ok thx
[09:50] <aftertaf> quiet: you can quit session and press CTL+ALT+Backspace to restart X
[09:50] <iantec> is it really this hard to do such a minor thing in linux? i eman cant everything just work?
[09:50] <quiet> k,
[09:51] <aftertaf> iantec: its not hard when you knwo how... its knowing that takes time and getting used to.
[09:51] <aftertaf> but it is MORE than worth it, i swear!!!
[09:51] <Hobbsee> more updates....
[09:51] <aftertaf> stick with it, you'll learn jhow.
[09:52] <LiteHedded> I need samba help
[09:52] <LiteHedded> I can't mount a shared directory or install a shared printer
[09:52] <aftertaf> Hobbsee: yeah python again... ;)
[09:52] <iantec> i eman ive been reading a LOT but its always not enough. i eman my printer is still not working after doing reading and following forum threads... oh well. guess this is the only way to learn.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: this is still the *last* lot of updates - from 18/1
[09:52] <aftertaf> i've got all gtk stuff segfaulting right now. so on kde or E17 with kde only apps :)
[09:52] <Hobbsee> you didnt want gtk stuff anyway
[09:53] <LiteHedded> can someone help me?
[09:53] <aftertaf> no gtk == no amule, no bmp, no xchat.... no firefox!
[09:53] <aftertaf> !samba
[09:53] <ubotu> samba is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:53] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: no firefox???  argh!
[09:53] <aftertaf> argh!
[09:53] <Hobbsee> kinda wishing i hadnt deleted breezy now
[09:53] <aftertaf> lol
[09:53] <aftertaf> konqueror does most ok tho.
[09:53] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi i have a problem with compilation..
[09:54] <aftertaf> you can chroot an xserver and install firefox if you NEED to ;)
[09:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: why?
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't think that those guy published a final release without resolving these problems
[09:54] <aftertaf> Tallia1Kubuntu: go ahead ;)
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the configuration went good
[09:54] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: well, if it doesnt work
[09:54] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: don't you just love your ATI drivers all of a sudden not working?
[09:54] <aftertaf> Tallia1Kubuntu: compiling what?
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but when i launch make these errors appears.. Any suggestions?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hehe, yeah!  i'm *very* greatful for my intel integrated card
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> compiling the program that i am trying to install
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: pastebin the errors
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> supertuxcart
[09:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what i am doing :)
[09:55] <Hobbsee> ooh that, did they update it?
[09:55] <aftertaf> lol Tallia1Kubuntu pastebin ;)
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GVn2rB49.html
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> no
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's not in the reps
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i'd like to try it
[09:55] <Hobbsee> i realise that - i was meaning the site
[09:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> any idea?
[09:55] <Hobbsee> was a candidate for universe, IIRC
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i konw
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that's how i find it out :)
[09:56] <aftertaf> Tallia1Kubuntu: you're missing a package somewhere......
[09:56] <aftertaf> but whta? i dunno...
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do you think so?
[09:56] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: well, I'm going to try and see if I can get the proprietary drivers to work again, wish me luck
[09:56] <Hobbsee> good luck fatejudger!
[09:56] <quiet> i installed the nvidia settings package, but where is it?????
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ok, it's finally upgraded
[09:56] <aftertaf> yeah...sdl something i'd guess
[09:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ssgBranch
[09:57] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'll just search the library for this
[09:57] <aftertaf> yeah, maybe you need other things from source if not uptdate with repository
[09:57] <aftertaf> quiet, followed the factiod?
[09:57] <aftertaf> !nvidia
[09:57] <ubotu> [nvidia]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:58] <LiteHedded> sweet! samba works now thanks for the guide!
[09:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i think plib
[09:59] <aftertaf> LiteHedded: :)
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[09:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it seems so
[09:59] <LiteHedded> still not showing the other machine in smb4k though
[09:59] <LiteHedded> just this machine
[09:59] <aftertaf> Tallia1Kubuntu: cool :)
[10:00] <_casey_> linux newbie needs help getting kaffeine to play css crypted dvd
[10:00] <LiteHedded> wait there it is
[10:00] <starscalling> _casey_,
[10:00] <starscalling> first:
[10:00] <starscalling> !restricted formats
[10:00] <ubotu> [restricted formats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[10:00] <starscalling> second: sudo apt-get install xine-ui
[10:00] <starscalling> xine is the pimp shit lol
[10:01] <aftertaf> lol starscalling :)
[10:01] <starscalling> hehe
[10:01] <starscalling> aftertaf,
[10:01] <starscalling> i just got an it admin to go to linux today
[10:01] <starscalling> kubuntu to be exact lol
[10:01] <fatejudger> well someone is going to be hearing from me on this matter
[10:01] <starscalling> know what his reason was for styaing with windows so long?
[10:01] <aftertaf> nope?
[10:01] <starscalling> fatejudger,  on what matter
[10:02] <starscalling> aftertaf, outlook express
[10:02] <starscalling> wanted to do emails
[10:02] <starscalling> ...................
[10:02] <fatejudger> I can't believe that they would just break the proprietary fglrx ATI drivers
[10:02] <fatejudger> and nobody would notice
[10:02] <aftertaf> OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! looooooooooool starscalling
[10:02] <fatejudger> they're COMPLETELY broken
[10:02] <aftertaf> he calls himself an admin? chr*st
[10:02] <quiet> !nvidia
[10:02] <ubotu> I guess nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[10:02] <starscalling> fatejudger, do a apt-get --purge remove <package>
[10:02] <starscalling> yeah thats what i said aftertaf
[10:02] <aftertaf> fatejudger: nasty... :/
[10:02] <fatejudger> starscalling: I'm using Dapper, it isn't that
[10:03] <fatejudger> yeah, the price you pay
[10:03] <starscalling> .............
[10:03] <aftertaf> starscalling: whatdoes he admin?
[10:03] <starscalling> fatejudger, then its probably a broken dependancy lol
[10:03] <starscalling> a uni aftertaf
[10:03] <aftertaf> loooool
[10:03] <LiteHedded> printer works!
[10:03] <aftertaf> cool LiteHedded
[10:03] <LiteHedded> this is my new favorite distro
[10:03] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:03] <fatejudger> starscalling: no, it's a broken package
[10:03] <starscalling> hehe
[10:03] <aftertaf> you and millions dude ;)
[10:03] <fatejudger> starscalling: Dapper is still alpha
[10:03] <LiteHedded> heh
[10:04] <starscalling> personally im all about ubuntu
[10:04] <starscalling> i prefer the gnome interface..
[10:04] <fatejudger> Gnomer
[10:04] <starscalling> yeah
[10:04] <fatejudger> Gnome is ugly
[10:04] <starscalling> if i wanted windows i would have it
[10:04] <aftertaf> e17
[10:04] <fatejudger> KDE is beautiful
[10:04] <starscalling> gnome is only ugly if you dont take hte time on it
[10:04] <fatejudger> e17 is beta
[10:04] <starscalling> gnome-art goes a long way
[10:04] <starscalling> e17 is broken crap unless u compile
[10:04] <aftertaf> fatejudger: yeah but beautiful and ultra fast
[10:04] <starscalling> and i hate doing that
[10:04] <starscalling> on my amd's anyway
[10:04] <fatejudger> starscalling: the best KDE interface vs the best Gnome interface doesn't even compare
[10:05] <fatejudger> starscalling: the best you can do is make Gnome look like OS 9
[10:05] <aftertaf> starscalling: i use a script for that. grabs from cvs, comiles :)
[10:05] <starscalling> lmfao fatejudger i couldnt disagree more
[10:05] <fatejudger> starscalling: with OS X window interfaces
[10:05] <starscalling> really aftertaf ?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ok, looks ok
[10:05] <starscalling> shoot me that
[10:05] <aftertaf> yeah starscalling
[10:05] <fatejudger> not only that, GTK sucks
[10:05] <starscalling> i cant seem to get all the dependancies right for building..
[10:05] <fatejudger> QT is awesome
[10:05] <Hobbsee> why is there a spelling error in the topic?
[10:05] <starscalling> hmm
[10:05] <aftertaf> lool Hobbsee
[10:06] <starscalling> so thats my problem
[10:06] <starscalling> im not ported right in this thing at all or something
[10:06] <LiteHedded> this default version of firefox is no good
[10:06] <starscalling> brb fixing porting
[10:06] <Hobbsee> right
[10:06] <LiteHedded> is there a way to get the newest with apt?
[10:06] <aftertaf> LiteHedded: yep    sudo apt-get update
[10:06] <fatejudger> LiteHedded: sudo apt-get update
[10:06] <fatejudger> LiteHedded: sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:06] <aftertaf> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:06] <fatejudger> lol
[10:07] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:07] <fatejudger> did we both need to give him the same answer?
[10:07] <aftertaf> no.... but irc is like that
[10:07] <quiet> how i find kernel version???
[10:07] <Hobbsee> quiet: uname -r
[10:07] <aftertaf> lol... i just type Dapper
[10:07] <aftertaf> as i have a script too :)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:07] <aftertaf> linux rox
[10:08] <LiteHedded> i did upgrade
[10:08] <LiteHedded> still only 1.0.7
[10:08] <starscalling> eh mind trying that again aftertaf ?
[10:08] <quiet> well i have the correct nvidia install, i dont see where nvidia settings are...
[10:08] <aftertaf> ok
[10:09] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[10:09] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:09] <aftertaf> quiet: which settings? the gui to cinfigure your card?
[10:09] <quiet> yea, and i hope there is to turn on drop shadows, and set tv-out...
[10:10] <aftertaf>  /usr/bin/nvidia-settings
[10:10] <starscalling> ah
[10:10] <aftertaf> type nvidia-settings in terminal
[10:10] <starscalling> aftertaf,
[10:10] <aftertaf> yep?
[10:10] <starscalling> had to define a ports path in xchat lol forgot that
[10:10] <quiet> omg
[10:10] <quiet> yeah
[10:10] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:10] <starscalling> eh
[10:10] <starscalling> its not my fault anymore
[10:10] <quiet> whys it not installed in menus?
[10:10] <aftertaf> lol
[10:10] <starscalling> meh
[10:11] <aftertaf> http://dev.winged.it/blog/lestat/get_e_sh_updated_to_0_5_4
[10:11] <aftertaf> starscalling: ^^
[10:12] <starscalling> oooooo <3
[10:12] <quiet> whats starscaling
[10:12] <LiteHedded> what terminals do you guys use?
[10:13] <visik7> ???
[10:13] <quiet> how i do a drop shadow for windows?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> LiteHedded: virtual terminal or konsole?  weird question
[10:13] <LiteHedded> like aterm konsole etc
[10:13] <visik7> Yakuake
[10:15] <LiteHedded> yakuake?
[10:15] <aftertaf> LiteHedded: eterm / konsole
[10:15] <fatejudger> yakuake kicks ass
[10:15] <aftertaf> and screen :)
[10:15] <LiteHedded> i installed it
[10:16] <LiteHedded> yakuake is neat
[10:16] <LiteHedded> from the top
[10:16] <aftertaf> lol
[10:17] <LiteHedded> can you make yakuake transparent?
[10:18] <fatejudger> LiteHedded: yes
[10:19] <LiteHedded> how do you close yakuake?
[10:19] <fatejudger> !ati
[10:19] <ubotu> [ati]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[10:20] <visik7> LiteHedded: with the same command that u use to open it
[10:20] <LiteHedded> i mean make it stop running in the background
[10:20] <LiteHedded> like f12 brings it down and puts it up but how do you killit?
[10:20] <visik7> kill it
[10:20] <visik7> it's usefull 'couse it in background
[10:21] <aftertaf> sudo killall yakuake ?
[10:21] <LiteHedded> yea I want to reopen it with different background color
[10:21] <visik7> to change the background right click and choose
[10:21] <LiteHedded> oh
[10:22] <LiteHedded> sweet
[10:24] <aftertaf> ok, things to do....... c yall later. good weekend people :)
[10:26] <iantec> how nwill i know if my 3d accelerator is already working
[10:26] <iantec> or if the driver is already isntalled
[10:26] <stamen> hello
[10:26] <stamen> how can I view am I using the UDMA option for my drives
[10:26] <robotgeek> iantec: glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[10:27] <stamen> robotgeek
[10:27] <LiteHedded> sweet I'm digging yakuake
[10:27] <iantec> arg. why does it say no while easy kubuntu said it is already isntalled this is a pain!
[10:28] <stamen> the same problem is with me too
[10:28] <stamen> iantec
[10:28] <stamen> the answer is "no" too :(
[10:29] <stamen> and when I try to load the fglrx module with this command "modprobe -v fglrx"
[10:29] <stamen> there is n o answer
[10:29] <visik7> lsmod |grep fglrx
[10:29] <iantec> o well spent hours for nothing
[10:30] <LiteHedded> i need ati help too
[10:31] <stamen> fglrx                 255524  0
[10:31] <stamen> agpgart                34792  2 fglrx,sis_agp
[10:31] <LiteHedded> !ati
[10:31] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[10:31] <visik7> stamen: check your xorg.conf
[10:31] <stamen> for what I must look there
[10:31] <iantec> ok i used easy kubuntu to do that specific job. i eman if it doesnt work why use it.
[10:32] <robotgeek> stamen: i have no clue about binary, drivers. sorry. iantec also
[10:32] <iantec> oh well. kinda tired now. no progress.  thanks for the time
[10:32] <iantec> thanks
[10:32] <LiteHedded> i want the 686 right?
[10:32] <LiteHedded> for a p4?
[10:32] <LiteHedded> that's my arch?
[10:32] <visik7> stamen look for section Device
[10:33] <stamen> and....
[10:33] <visik7> stamen: the Driver  should be fglrx
[10:33] <Hobbsee> LiteHedded: i think so, yes
[10:33] <visik7> is it true ?
[10:33] <LiteHedded> ok good
[10:33] <stamen> I will look now
[10:33] <stamen> wait
[10:34] <stamen> the driver there is "ati"
[10:34] <noizer> hi guys someone can say me where to find source for apt? I have kubuntu breezy 5.10 for amd64
[10:34] <stamen> could I change it?
[10:34] <visik7> so it's the builtin in xorg nor the one for the 3d accell
[10:34] <stamen> should I :)
[10:35] <visik7> stamen: yes change it with fglrx
[10:35] <robotgeek> noizer: do you want a sources.list?
[10:35] <stamen> ok, and after that to reset X ?
[10:35] <noizer> if it is possible..
[10:35] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell noizer about easysource
[10:36] <visik7> stamen: yes
[10:36] <LiteHedded> apt-get is slow to download the linux-686
[10:36] <stamen> visik7: I have two sections DEvice
[10:36] <visik7> ???
[10:36] <stamen> on the one is Driver "ati"
[10:36] <stamen> the other is "fglrx"
[10:37] <stamen> Identifier  "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9600 (R300 AP)"
[10:37] <stamen>         Driver      "ati"
[10:37] <visik7> ok one is commented the other no
[10:37] <stamen>         BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
[10:37] <visik7> don't PASTE HERE!
[10:37] <stamen> ok
[10:37] <visik7> use pastebin
[10:37] <stamen> but they are not comented
[10:38] <stamen> how to use this pastebin
[10:38] <stamen> I am new with Irc
[10:38] <visik7> www.pastebin.com
[10:38] <Aji-Dahaka> huh ... I have kopete up and accounts added, but it won't sign on
[10:38] <robotgeek> stamen: it's a website, you paste and click ok
[10:38] <Aji-Dahaka> no message or anything, it doesn't even try
[10:38] <stamen> ok
[10:38] <stamen> visik7
[10:38] <stamen> go there and look
[10:39] <visik7> u need to provide me the url
[10:39] <stamen> ok
[10:39] <stamen> http://pastebin.com/527028
[10:40] <stamen> did you see it
[10:40] <visik7> copy the enteire xorg.conf
[10:41] <stamen> ok
[10:42] <stamen> http://pastebin.com/527029
[10:42] <stamen> good stuf is this pastebin:)
[10:42] <visik7> should work
[10:42] <visik7> run fglrxconfig
[10:44] <stamen> ok
[10:44] <owner> fglrxconfig is removed in latest drivers btw
[10:45] <visik7> replaced by ?
[10:45] <fatejudger> owner: are you sure?
[10:45] <fatejudger> owner: it works for me
[10:45] <fatejudger> owner: and I use Dapper
[10:45] <owner> the ones from the ati site
[10:45] <owner> the ones in the ubuntu repos might still have it
[10:45] <fatejudger> I don't know why you're using that script anyway
[10:45] <fatejudger> all you have to do is change "ati" to "fglrx"
[10:45] <owner> i use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:45] <owner> and select fglrx
[10:46] <owner> but then you need to add 2 lines to enable XV playback
[10:46] <Aji-Dahaka> does kopete work alright for everione else?
[10:47] <visik7> no kopete is a pain in the ass for me
[10:47] <Aji-Dahaka> oh?
[10:47] <visik7> frequent disconnection
[10:47] <visik7> messages don't delivered and other problems
[10:47] <Aji-Dahaka> ah
[10:48] <Aji-Dahaka> but never "won't even try to connect"
[10:48] <visik7> mmm dunnno
[10:50] <brosioz> i've install w32codecs but i can't play video that are on divx6 anyone could help ?
[10:50] <Aji-Dahaka> brosioz: but other divxs are fine?
[10:51] <brosioz> Aji-Dahaka: i don't have other divx with codec divx
[10:51] <brosioz>  :|
[10:53] <_casey_> can someone point me to the proper area on the web to install packages that are not in Kynaptic
[10:54] <cerdg> That would depend on the package you're looking for
[10:55] <_casey_> im trying to install libdvdcss2.deb and a package to let me view and manipulate ntfs file systems
[10:55] <Aji-Dahaka> _casey_: if you have the package, jut dpkg -i
[10:56] <Aji-Dahaka> if you don't have it and know the package name www.yahoo.com and www.google.com work well
[10:56] <LiteHedded> man I can't say enough how great this distro is. it just keeps on impressing me
[10:56] <FiNeX> Hi!
[10:57] <_casey_> it says that it cant find the file
[10:57] <_casey_> im a total noob at the linux command line
[10:57] <cerdg> do you have the file on your computer?
[10:57] <_casey_> yes it is on the desktop
[10:58] <asraniel> i have a big problem. i cant install kde-devel. i think its because of this broken dependency: http://pastebin.com/527043
[10:58] <cerdg> ok, open up a terminal and cd to your desktop
[10:58] <_casey_> do i cd just like in a dos prompt or is there some special way
[10:58] <_casey_> like i said im totally new at this
[10:58] <Aji-Dahaka> same
[10:59] <Aji-Dahaka> (bah ... dos prompt ... then you're not a total newbie to the command line)
[10:59] <Aji-Dahaka> (you just lack experience with a good one)
[10:59] <cerdg> lol
[11:00] <_casey_> yeah. ok it looks like this now: casey@wYoRm:~$ cd -P /home/casey/Desktop$
[11:00] <Aji-Dahaka> how 'bout this adept ... if it would stop crashing it would be pretty reasonable software
[11:00] <Aji-Dahaka> _casey_: excellent and then sudo dpkg -i <name of package.deb>
[11:00] <asraniel> is there anyone here that has kde 3.5(.1) and that can install kde-devel?
[11:00] <Aji-Dahaka> asraniel: I'll try in just a tick
[11:01] <cerdg> I'm looking right now asraniel
[11:01] <cerdg> well, it's asking for the CDrom that I gave away
[11:02] <_casey_> it returned me to the prompt so i assume that means it worked?
[11:02] <cerdg> _casey_: if you didn't get any errors, then yes
[11:02] <_casey_> sweet
[11:03] <_casey_> and i do that with any packages i want to install?
[11:03] <Aji-Dahaka> asraniel: says it would break(install)
[11:03] <cerdg> _casey_: anything that is not in the repositories
[11:03] <_casey_> sweet. divx playback here i come
[11:03] <cerdg> if it is, I suggest getting it from there
[11:03] <Aji-Dahaka> secretly that's part of what adept/kynaptic/whatever does for you
[11:03] <asraniel> Aji-Dahaka: thank you, so it is kubuntu that is broken and not just my installation
[11:04] <Aji-Dahaka> asraniel: seems temporarily broken, yeah
[11:04] <Aji-Dahaka> asraniel: you on dapper?
[11:04] <asraniel> Aji-Dahaka: no, breezy
[11:04] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, I'm on dapper and it's broken .  must be both
[11:05] <asraniel> hmm.. should i fill a bug? or any devs here?
[11:08] <cerdg> Aji-Dahaka:  how stable is dapper now?
[11:09] <Aji-Dahaka> cerdg: I've not had a complete system crash yet ;)
[11:09] <Aji-Dahaka> cerdg: adept and various application crashes, though
[11:10] <cerdg> Aji-Dahaka: I'll wait for adept then...I'm a fan of wandering through and looking at packages rather than knowing specifically what i want
[11:10] <LiteHedded> anymore of these type things: !ati a new ubuntu user should read? :D
[11:11] <reon> hi
[11:17] <mivecz> Doeas anyone  can  help me to  install a kde theme pls
[11:18] <LiteHedded> is the only difference in ubuntu and kubuntu the window manager they come with?
[11:18] <Aji-Dahaka> mivecz: kde-look tells you how
[11:18] <Aji-Dahaka> LiteHedded: supposedly that's the big difference
[11:18] <Aji-Dahaka> LiteHedded: you can use repos back and forth
[11:18] <mivecz> Aji-Dahaka  idont  understand  explain me  what  are u mean
[11:19] <Aji-Dahaka> mivecz: go to kde-look.org and read their how-to on installing themes
[11:20] <mivecz> i dont  find it   where
[11:21] <Aji-Dahaka> mivecz: http://kde-look.org/
[11:21] <mivecz> nd  after
[11:22] <Aji-Dahaka> mivecz: you go to a theme that you like
[11:23] <Aji-Dahaka> and then you download it and read its instructions
[11:26] <mivecz> ok i  think i  uDerstand:P
[11:26] <LiteHedded> how do you search apt?
[11:27] <mivecz> how i  extract it\/
[11:31] <LiteHedded> how do you get libdvdcss?
[11:31] <_casey_> type it in google
[11:32] <mivecz> where  i  find  other  kde  theme  or  gnome  theme  not kde-look.org
[11:32] <owner> !libdvdcss
[11:32] <ubotu> from memory, libdvdcss is DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:32] <_casey_> http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/ can also get it here
[11:33] <fatejudger> is anyone here using an ATI card on Dapper?
[11:34] <owner> fatejudger ati drivers are completely broken with kernel 2.6.15 and xorg 6.9
[11:34] <fatejudger> not the open source ones
[11:34] <fatejudger> just fglrx
[11:34] <owner> yes
[11:34] <owner> fglrx is broken
[11:34] <fatejudger> is that in Breezy too?
[11:35] <owner> not in breezy
[11:35] <fatejudger> that's right
[11:35] <fatejudger> breezy uses .12
[11:35] <owner> yes
[11:35] <fatejudger> well this is just stupid
[11:35] <owner> 2.6.14 works
[11:35] <fatejudger> open source drivers suck
[11:35] <owner> fglrx sucks too i think lol
[11:35] <owner> too buggy
[11:35] <fatejudger> it renders things nicely though
[11:35] <owner> yes
[11:35] <fatejudger> not all slow
[11:35] <fatejudger> and crappily
[11:36] <owner> its the fastest for 3d
[11:36] <fatejudger> and I run my rez at 1920x1200
[11:36] <owner> but compared to nvidia drivers...
[11:36] <fatejudger> so I need most I can get out of my graphics card
[11:36] <owner> they already have 2.6.15 and xorg 6.9 support
[11:36] <fatejudger> yeah
[11:36] <owner> ati needs to speed up their linux development
[11:36] <owner> or they lose customers
[11:36] <fatejudger> well when are the fglrx drivers going to support the new kernel?
[11:37] <fatejudger> I'm guessing this is up to ATI
[11:37] <owner> they eventually will
[11:37] <fatejudger> eventually???
[11:37] <fatejudger> this is bullshit
[11:37] <Aji-Dahaka> the radeon driver works awesome for me on dapper
[11:37] <owner> yes
[11:38] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: like I said, I run at WUXGA rez (1920x1200) so I need the proprietary drivers to render everything smoothly
[11:38] <owner> when i tried fglrx with 2.6.15 it caused so much instability
[11:38] <owner> but there are some patches floating around
[11:38] <fatejudger> X just couldn't find the module
[11:38] <owner> check rage3d linux forums
[11:38] <fatejudger> it isn't THAT important
[11:38] <Aji-Dahaka> I run 2048x1536 so I guess I don't have the weird resolution problem, fatejudger
[11:38] <Aji-Dahaka> funny that it would have problems with non 4:3s
[11:38] <Aji-Dahaka> oh well, stranger things have happened
[11:39] <fatejudger> I'd rather wait for the official version and use the open source one in the meantime
[11:39] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: it isn't a widescreen issue
[11:39] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: I use Dapper
[11:39] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: it has a newer kernel
[11:39] <Aji-Dahaka> okay?
[11:39] <Aji-Dahaka> I am using dapper with a new kernel as well
[11:40] <Aji-Dahaka> but use the open source drivers to get everything rendering smoothly
[11:40] <Aji-Dahaka> so I was imagining the strange resolution was the problem
[11:40] <fatejudger> you're using the "ati" driver?
[11:40] <Aji-Dahaka> no, "radeon"
[11:40] <owner> aji which card do you have
[11:40] <fatejudger> 9600
[11:40] <fatejudger> oh
[11:40] <fatejudger> nm
[11:40] <fatejudger> didn't see you were talking to him
[11:40] <owner> lol
[11:41] <fatejudger> he probably has a nicer one
[11:41] <fatejudger> one that renders better even with crappier drivers
[11:41] <Aji-Dahaka> owner: radeon 8500 and radeon 9600
[11:41] <Aji-Dahaka> owner: (and 7500 in my lappy)
[11:41] <fatejudger> the regular 9600?
[11:41] <owner> aji what score do you get in glxgears
[11:41] <Aji-Dahaka> the 8500 is the one on my big monitor
[11:41] <owner> using dapper
[11:41] <Aji-Dahaka> no idea ... I'm on my lappy, but I'll check
[11:42] <fatejudger> omg, glxgears runs HORRIBLY
[11:42] <owner> it does with vesa
[11:42] <owner> haha
[11:42] <Aji-Dahaka> umm, glxgears isn't printing out the score
[11:42] <Aji-Dahaka> it's running smooth but not fast
[11:42] <fatejudger> omg, I feel like beating the crap out of the ATI devels for not working fast enough
[11:42] <Aji-Dahaka> (not as fast as it does for me in FreeBSD)
[11:42] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: how big is your monitor?
[11:43] <owner> glxgears -printfps
[11:43] <owner> thats what ubuntu glxgears needs
[11:43] <Aji-Dahaka> fatejudger: and yet if they'd openn source it they could sink less devels on it and get more work done
[11:43] <owner> to print fps
[11:43] <Aji-Dahaka> why'd they do that?
[11:43] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: true, but it isn't going to happen
[11:43] <Aji-Dahaka> owner: 20029 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4005.789 FPS that's what it says
[11:44] <Aji-Dahaka> not sure I believe it
[11:44] <owner> ati says they cant open source because they have non disclosure agreements with 3rd parties
[11:44] <Aji-Dahaka> fatejudger: ever wonder why?
[11:44] <owner> aji thats pretty decent
[11:44] <Aji-Dahaka> non-disclosure for their drivers?!
[11:44] <owner> considering you are using the open source drivers
[11:44] <owner> 3d party technology used on their cards
[11:44] <fatejudger> Aji-Dahaka: they'd be giving up their control and possibly certain protected secrets
[11:45] <Aji-Dahaka> what kird of protected secrets does one hide in the driver?
[11:45] <eightiesk> owner
[11:45] <fatejudger> 3990 frames in 5.1 seconds = 785.380 FPS
[11:45] <Aji-Dahaka> they can use binary blobs to hide things if they need
[11:45] <owner> hi eightiesk
[11:45] <Aji-Dahaka> (the way that ath does) for bits that may actually disclose a bit of the hardware
[11:45] <owner> hey fate how come aji gets a much better score
[11:46] <owner> arent you both using the same card
[11:46] <fatejudger> I have the regular 9600
[11:46] <fatejudger> I run my monitor using DVI
[11:46] <fatejudger> and I run at 1920x1200
[11:46] <fatejudger> on my 24 inch widescreen Dell monitor
[11:46] <asraniel> wah, i cant install any devel packages! kde-devel does not work, sdl devel does not work :-( what have i done... (i reinstalled kubuntu 2 days ago!)
[11:46] <fatejudger> it's fairly taxing
[11:46] <LiteHedded> what do I do with the sources list it generated for me?
[11:46] <Aji-Dahaka> not the same card for this one, I fear
[11:46] <eightiesk> i tryed installing http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7559 and got this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7722
[11:47] <owner> eighties i think plastik is already included in kde theme manager
[11:47] <Aji-Dahaka> this is my laptop so a radeon 7500 at 1024x
[11:48] <Aji-Dahaka> eightiesk: you need a c compiler, I think
[11:48] <eightiesk> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18223
[11:48] <eightiesk> worng link
[11:48] <eightiesk> :-(
[11:48] <owner> you need all the kde dev packages too
[11:48] <owner> and build-essential
[11:48] <Aji-Dahaka> and mostly a c compiler
[11:48] <eightiesk> whats a c compliler?
[11:49] <owner> do sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:49] <fatejudger> lol
[11:49] <Aji-Dahaka> eightiesk: gcc (debatably)
[11:49] <stamen> visik7
[11:49] <fatejudger> should he actually be compiling things?
[11:49] <fatejudger> he hardly knows anything about it
[11:49] <eightiesk> well were do i get one?
[11:49] <owner> ./configure make make install is easy
[11:49] <eightiesk> i no
[11:49] <eightiesk> it errored
[11:50] <fatejudger> owner: make install is horrible
[11:50] <stamen> visik7 I tried some things
[11:50] <Aji-Dahaka> eightiesk: from adept or whatever you use
[11:50] <fatejudger> owner: checkinstall == goodness
[11:50] <stamen> but when I try to make a test with fgl_glxgears it displays me errors
[11:51] <eightiesk> i had a c compiles i needed build essentials
[11:51] <eightiesk> thanks yaw
[11:52] <owner> if it errors you prob need kde-dev packages
[11:52] <owner> just search in synaptic
[11:52] <eightiesk> i need Qt
[11:52] <eightiesk> what ever that is
[11:52] <owner> QT dev packages
[11:52] <eightiesk> k
[11:52] <asraniel> how can i unistall kde completely? i want to reinstall it completely
[11:53] <fatejudger> lol. see?
[11:53] <fatejudger> he doesn't even know what QT is
[11:53] <fatejudger> these people should be using packages
[11:53] <eightiesk> :-p
[11:53] <eightiesk> this is my 5th linux day
[11:53] <fatejudger> asraniel: why would you ever want to do that?
[11:53] <eightiesk> bite my a$$
[11:53] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, almost out of food in the house.  time for me to become a hunter-gatherer
[11:53] <owner> do sudo apt-get install libqt-mt-dev
[11:53] <fatejudger> eightiesk: compiling isn't a linux-only thing
[11:53] <owner> i think thats the one
[11:54] <eightiesk> k thanks
[11:54] <cubus> join #klasa wujo
[11:54] <asraniel> fatejudger: because my apt seems completely broken, i cant install and devel packages. and i blame kde 3.5 for that (and perhaps a small error i did) and i believe that removing kde and installing it again could work (i installed half of kde 3.5.1 for dapper, this could be a problem..)
[11:54] <owner> sudo apt-get install qt3-dev-tools
[11:54] <owner> there is another one
[11:55] <cubus> join klasa_wujo
[11:56] <eightiesk> thanks for helping me out all the time people.!!! some of the guros or what ever u wanna call your selfs *cough* pwn0rz LMAO
[11:58] <eightiesk> whats this mean "
[11:58] <eightiesk> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed
[11:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh since klaptop is not working, could you suggest me something for controlling the cpu in linux?
[11:59] <Aji-Dahaka> that you don't ave kde-hedares, eightiesk
[11:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> cpu performances.
[11:59] <owner> eighties try sudo apt-get install libq4-dev
[11:59] <owner> eighties try sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev
[12:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[12:00] <Aji-Dahaka> will he need a kde-dev package as well?
[12:00] <Aji-Dahaka> (a 2-day old linux newb)
[12:00] <owner> yes
[12:01] <owner> sudo apt-get install kde-devel
[12:01] <Aji-Dahaka> I should learn how this linux works at some point
[12:02] <Aji-Dahaka> didn't figure it out completely yesterday
[12:02] <stamen> how can I preinstall the drivers for ATI
[12:02] <raphink> thankfully in a way Aji-Dahaka if you could figure out how linux works in one day, that would be terrible
[12:02] <eightiesk> Aji-Dahaka, where is kde-headers?
[12:02] <eightiesk> adept don't have them.
[12:02] <Aji-Dahaka> eightiesk: where owner said, a kde-devel pack
[12:02] <eightiesk> o
[12:03] <eightiesk> i got it then
[12:03] <eightiesk> :-)
[12:03] <Aji-Dahaka> raphink: why's that?
[12:03] <owner> lol
[12:03] <raphink> Aji-Dahaka: because it's an operating system, not a children toy
[12:03] <eightiesk> last install i did owner was ubuntu then kubuntu...
[12:04] <eightiesk> i just did kubuntu this time
[12:04] <Aji-Dahaka> raphink: but even with a powerful tool, I can often figure out how it works in less than a day
[12:04] <eightiesk> there wasn't a full kde install option
[12:04] <Aji-Dahaka> raphink: it takes me less than an hour to teach a new crane operator how to do the job
[12:04] <raphink> Aji-Dahaka: I've been using linux for about 3 years, I'm an advanced user and dev, yet I woulnd't say I've figured it out completely ;)
[12:04] <owner> aji you teach crane operators?
[12:04] <Aji-Dahaka> owner: occasionally
[12:05] <owner> eighties because the kubuntu-desktop leaves out a lot of kde apps
[12:05] <Aji-Dahaka> owner: a bit of a side job
[12:05] <Aji-Dahaka> mostly I study things
[12:05] <owner> but then again we dont need 5 media player in kde lol
[12:06] <Aji-Dahaka> doesn't it come with 5 in kubuntu?
[12:06] <owner> it doesnt come with juk
[12:06] <owner> but it can be installed
[12:06] <owner> kubuntu just comes with kaffeine
[12:06] <Aji-Dahaka> huh, it also misses noatun
[12:06] <Aji-Dahaka> kaffeine and amarok I seem t
[12:06] <Aji-Dahaka> o have
[12:06] <raphink> and amarok iirc
[12:07] <raphink> noatun is a pain
[12:07] <owner> juk, noatun are obsolete
[12:07] <Aji-Dahaka> I actually kinda prefer kmplayer to kaffeine
[12:07] <Aji-Dahaka> juk isn't obsolete, imho
[12:07] <owner> kmplayer is good
[12:07] <eightiesk> lol i use winamp :-p
[12:07] <eightiesk> wine of coarse.
[12:08] <Aji-Dahaka> bleh, winapmp ...
[12:08] <owner> there is an alpha linux version out
[12:08] <Aji-Dahaka> no kio-slaves in winamp
[12:08] <visik7> winamp ... omg
[12:08] <eightiesk> lol
[12:08] <Aji-Dahaka> without kio-slaves, I'd be at a loss
[12:09] <visik7> never seen a port from windows to linux with good results
[12:09] <owner> people already like nero for linux
[12:10] <owner> even though it has less features than k3b
[12:10] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: but there is definitely software that runs great on both
[12:10] <visik7> nero and winamp are only 2 example
[12:10] <Aji-Dahaka> (usually made for both from the get-go)
[12:10] <DjDarkPingvin> hy ,some program is blocking alsa ,how can i find out wich?
[12:11] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: yes that is developed under linux and then ported to windows
[12:11] <visik7> :)
[12:11] <owner> djdark, alsa can usually mix sounds
[12:11] <Aji-Dahaka> DjDarkPingvin: fstat /dev/dsp ?
[12:11] <owner> but oss ties up sound
[12:11] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: which is vlc?
[12:12] <Aji-Dahaka> bah ... kuake works but doesn't have multiple tabs ... wonder how to get yakuake wokirg
[12:12] <DjDarkPingvin> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ fstat /dev/dsp
[12:12] <DjDarkPingvin> bash: fstat: command not found
[12:12] <Aji-Dahaka> working*
[12:12] <owner> not all sound apps use dev/dsp
[12:12] <owner> only oss apps
[12:12] <Aji-Dahaka> oops :(
[12:12] <Aji-Dahaka> (back to me being a linux newb)
[12:13] <DjDarkPingvin> yes but i wanna know whay program is messing with my sound
[12:13] <Aji-Dahaka> sorry, dj ...
[12:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i see the current cpu speed?
[12:13] <owner> djdarkpingvin, try sudo killall -9 artsd
[12:13] <Aji-Dahaka> owner probably knows
[12:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> from terminal?
[12:13] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: what's wrong with yakuake?
[12:13] <Aji-Dahaka> Tallia1Kubuntu: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:13] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: can't figure out how to "activate" it
[12:13] <visik7> press F12 or rebind it
[12:13] <DjDarkPingvin> no owner doesn`t work
[12:13] <owner> djdarkpingvin, try sudo killall -9 esd
[12:14] <DjDarkPingvin> djdarkman@Darknet:~$ sudo killall -9 esd
[12:14] <DjDarkPingvin> esd: no process killed
[12:14] <owner> yes esd is the gnome sound daemon but you never know..
[12:14] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: there it is, thanks
[12:14] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: kuake was taking over the keybinding ...
[12:14] <eightiesk> ant there an extra skin pkg?
[12:15] <eightiesk> aint*
[12:15] <DjDarkPingvin> owner: what next?
[12:15] <Aji-Dahaka> eightiesk: kdeartwork?
[12:15] <owner> djdark which sound app do you use to play music?
[12:15] <DjDarkPingvin> xmms
[12:15] <owner> have you tried going into xmms options
[12:15] <owner> and selecting output alsa
[12:15] <DjDarkPingvin> it`s already selected
[12:16] <eightiesk> Aji-Dahaka, ya that skin errored again lol
[12:16] <eightiesk> i'ma just look for something else
[12:16] <owner> are you using dapper djdark?
[12:16] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: btw when u start yakuake a balloon in on the upleft corner of the screen appears and tell u what to do to activate yakuake
[12:16] <DjDarkPingvin> no owner using breezy with kde 3.5
[12:16] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: sure enough, but as I had kuake running, it was a lie :p
[12:16] <owner> djdark run alsamixer in terminal
[12:16] <owner> and make sure nothing is muted
[12:17] <owner> press m to unmute
[12:17] <owner> if it has mm, its muted
[12:17] <Aji-Dahaka> ah, there ... all rebound
[12:17] <Aji-Dahaka> yakuake on f11, kuake on f12
[12:17] <DjDarkPingvin> owner: nothing is muted ,tha`s not the problem ,i get error msg from xmms
[12:18] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: why 2 ?
[12:18] <Aji-Dahaka> now I'll be able to decide which I like better or if I just want one :)
[12:18] <visik7> it's quite useless
[12:18] <owner> djdark did you try it
[12:18] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: deciding which I like better
[12:18] <Aji-Dahaka> though yakuake is certainly winning out so far
[12:18] <visik7> :)
[12:19] <DjDarkPingvin> owner: i can`t unmute anything coz theres nothing muted
[12:19] <Aji-Dahaka> it seems yakuake crashes X sometimes (X bug, I imagine)
[12:19] <owner> djdark which error do you get from xmms
[12:19] <DjDarkPingvin> xmms says that i can`t open the audio
[12:20] <owner> does oss output work?
[12:20] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: I use yakuake a lot never got any crash
[12:21] <DjDarkPingvin> yes owner
[12:21] <owner> thats weird
[12:21] <DjDarkPingvin> it worx with oss but i dont wanna use oss
[12:21] <visik7> DjDarkPingvin: use artsdsp
[12:21] <owner> yeah oss ties up the sound card
[12:22] <owner> artdsp is good too
[12:22] <DjDarkPingvin> artdsp?
[12:22] <owner> arts
[12:22] <DjDarkPingvin> is it like alsa?
[12:22] <owner> yes
[12:22] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: shadows on or off
[12:22] <owner> its the kde sound daemon
[12:22] <Aji-Dahaka> visik7: seemed that shadows did it for me
[12:22] <owner> but it works pretty good with alsa
[12:22] <visik7> Aji-Dahaka: on
[12:23] <Aji-Dahaka> huh ...
[12:23] <Aji-Dahaka> alright, guess I'll roll with it.  thanks, visik7
[12:23] <DjDarkPingvin> ok owner but how do i install and select it for everything that uses sound?
[12:24] <owner> you can use it with apps that let you chose it as sound output
[12:24] <DjDarkPingvin> xmms?
[12:25] <DjDarkPingvin> cedega?
[12:25] <owner> do sudo apt-get install xmms-arts
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i execute a command that requires root privileges without being root?
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have my klaptop broken
[12:26] <DjDarkPingvin> Tallia1Kubuntu: sudo command
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and i'd like to have a double icon with two speed
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> nono
[12:26] <robotgeek_work> !kdesu
[12:26] <ubotu> kdesu is, like, :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[12:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i never want to insert the passworkd
[12:27] <DjDarkPingvin> hmmm
[12:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like reboot, i can execute it without being root
[12:27] <DjDarkPingvin> but your user to the admin group maybe
[12:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ??
[12:27] <robotgeek_work> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm, read "man sudo" maybe for adding commands which can be executed without root permissions
[12:27] <owner> tallial you could edit sudoers
[12:28] <owner> to make it never ask for a sudo password
[12:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> for a particular command right?
[12:28] <owner> i think that can be done
[12:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'll try to see
[12:29] <owner> http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
[12:29] <DjDarkPingvin> owner: xmms doesn`t work with artsd
[12:29] <DjDarkPingvin> man these sound systems realy give me hell
[12:30] <robotgeek_work> Tallia1Kubuntu: man sudoers , it has details
[12:30] <owner> djdarkman you could do what i did
[12:30] <owner> i downloaded and compiled latest alsa from alsa website
[12:30] <DjDarkPingvin> and what did you do?
[12:30] <owner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HdaIntelSoundHowto
[12:30] <owner> using that guide
[12:30] <owner> not sure which card you have but its a similar procedure
[12:30] <DjDarkPingvin> hmmm ,and do you have problems now?
[12:31] <owner> alsa works perfectly
[12:31] <owner> no skipping or lag
[12:31] <owner> the best thing is that now i have alsaconf
[12:31] <owner> which ubuntu devs removed
[12:34] <DjDarkPingvin> and what do i do if i mess up alsa
[12:34] <DjDarkPingvin> ?
[12:34] <owner> it shouldnt mess up
[12:34] <owner> imho
[12:34] <DjDarkPingvin> i have 2 soundcards
[12:35] <owner> does alsa work in either of them
[12:35] <DjDarkPingvin> yes ,now it worx ,i hope it will work after i complie the source
[12:35] <owner> how did you get it to work?
[12:37] <owner> btw you might need to install ncurses dev packages
[12:37] <owner> to compile one of the alsa packages
[12:37] <owner> brb
[12:39] <Aji-Dahaka> kubuntu doesn't seem to play nice with my pre-built kde config
[12:39] <Aji-Dahaka> wonder why :(
[12:40] <Aji-Dahaka> and KDEROOTHOME is getting set somewhere inappropriately (to $HOME)
[12:51] <Aji-Dahaka> and windows key isn't working ...
[12:51] <Aji-Dahaka> funny the problmes that exist
[12:57] <Skrot> What's the default dir for KDE application data in kubuntu (e.g konversation scripts)?
[12:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Skrot: ~/.kde
[12:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> could anybody explain me this?
[12:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IswnYd73.html
[12:58] <Skrot> Hobbsee: There's another one too?
[12:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i edited sudoers but i still can't execute the program.. :(
[12:59] <Skrot> Hobbsee: Where files installed with the program is put
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Skrot: use locate programname
[12:59] <Hobbsee> in a terminal
[01:00] <Skrot> thanks, it's /usr/share/apps/ by the way.
[01:00] <Tallia1Kubuntu> anybody can take a look to that?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Skrot: ah, right
[01:11] <mivecz> hello
[01:11] <mivecz> :)
[01:11] <mivecz> Does anyone know  i  try to  open  the  login setup screen is loading but  after disappear why?
[01:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> crash during loading ?
[01:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> analyze the log
[01:13] <mivecz> from where
[01:14] <robotgeek> mivecz: does your screen blank (turn black) or just remains blue
[01:14] <mivecz> remain
[01:15] <robotgeek> hmm. try looking at ~/.xsession-errors
[01:16] <mivecz> where  i find  these
[01:17] <robotgeek> mivecz: sorry, /home/yourname/.xsession-errors
[01:21] <Aji-Dahaka> why would a windows key be registered wrong in kubuntu?  It shows Win when I hold it down, but Alt when I releas it
[01:22] <Aji-Dahaka> and it doesn't work with any of the things bound to Win+foo
[01:32] <hussam> Aji-Dahaka: I'm gonna upgrade in 5 hours to dapper
[01:33] <Hobbsee> hussam: fun
[01:38] <Jrwa> hi there!
[01:38] <Jrwa> anyone using dapper already?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Jrwa: yes, some people
[01:39] <Jrwa> I think there's a problem with the mysql package, something about the socket or so
[01:40] <robotgeek_work> Jrwa: search for a bug on malone. if there is one unconfirmed, add your information to it. if you can't find one, file a new bug :)
[01:40] <Jrwa> I've found some people with the same problem but nothing to see with dapper. The common solution is not working for me! (ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2))
[01:40] <Jrwa> robotgeek_work, I see ^^
[01:41] <robotgeek_work> Jrwa: it's highly unlikely that people here will be able to help you with Dapper Mysql, it's prone to breakage :)
[01:42] <Jrwa> that's what I wanted to hear in fact, I wasn't sure wether it was my fault or not!
[01:43] <robotgeek_work> Jrwa: you may not be able to find out if it's your fault or not. Feel free to blame it on dapper, lol
[01:43] <Jrwa> hehe, well it just stopped working one day, so I guess I've got the right ;)
[01:43] <mivecz> where i loook  about  errors
[01:45] <robotgeek_work> mivecz: /home/username/.xsession-errors
[01:49] <mivecz> i cant find it
[01:51] <robotgeek_work> mivecz: ctrl + alt + F1
[01:51] <robotgeek_work> and ctrl + alt + f7 to switch back
[01:55] <mivecz> and  after
[01:56] <mivecz> ctrl alt f7 not make ntg
[02:01] <robotgeek_work> mivecz: login, and look at what errors you are getting, and make a note of them.
[02:02] <mivecz> i  put  ctrl alt f1