[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130050 in openoffice.org (main) "Bibliography Database crashes OpenOffice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130050
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130052 in dreamchess (main) "Add a hotkey to toggle fullscreen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130052
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130054 in evolution (main) "Trouble emptying Trash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130054
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130055 in audio-convert (universe) "Nautilus audio convert script doesn't activate itself" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130055
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130056 in mysql-admin (universe) "mysql-admin package broken, unmet mysql-admin-common dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130056
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130058 in Ubuntu "feisty x86_64 does not include 32 bit GSL libraries" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130058
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130059 in plr (universe) "R_HOME environmental variable not set" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130059
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130060 in evolution (main) "Evolution can't synchronize folder "Inbox" causing duplicates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130060
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130061 in Ubuntu "prism54usb: probe of 1-1:1.0 failed with error -110 (usr805422)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130061
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130062 in gnome-games (main) "'Klotski' not installed but has a gnome menu entry" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130062
[02:17] <ubotu> New bug: #130064 in Ubuntu "mozilla-mplayer plugin bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130064
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130065 in pidgin-libnotify (universe) "pidgin-libnotify causes notification-daemon to crash with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130065
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130066 in gdm (main) "gdm stuck in loop if killed with ctrl-alt-delete (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130066
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130067 in kdemultimedia (main) "Kubuntu: Mute feature doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130067
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #126153 in gnash (universe) "gnash crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126153
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130071 in pitivi (universe) "pitivi crashed with SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130071
[03:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130072 in checkgmail (universe) "checkgmail Open message feature doesn't works." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130072
[03:47] <bddebian> Boo
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130074 in tilda (universe) "Adding new tabs to tilda causes it to increase in size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130074
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130075 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Random pauses when transferring data at gigabit speeds with forcedeth driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130075
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130078 in Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon 2.6.22-9-generic Kernel Panic when inserting belkins F5D7050 USB wifi card/rt73 driver" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130078
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130079 in Ubuntu "internal error opening cache" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130079
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130080 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130080
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130081 in firefox (main) "firefox crash when going to this CNN link" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130081
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130084 in f-spot (main) "f-spot buttons hardly work in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130084
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130085 in f-spot (main) "f-spot zoom in fullscreen mode does'nt work correctly with compiz turned on" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130085
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130086 in adept (main) "Graphical installers don't include application previews" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130086
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130087 in gedit (main) "pt_BR translation broke Python syntax highlighting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130087
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130069 in Ubuntu "need to reinstall wniff and then no archive found" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130069
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130088 in python-numpy (universe) "python-numpy does not install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130088
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130091 in gnash (universe) "CVE-2007-2500: memory corruption vulnerability in gnash" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130091
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130094 in Ubuntu "Tribes3 dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not add EndSubSection after color depth" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130094
[08:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130095 in knemo (universe) "[Gutsy]  Please sync KNemo 0.4.8-1 from Debian (Main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130095
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130096 in serpentine (main) "serpentine crashed with SIGSEGV (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130096
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130097 in cplay (universe) "Cannot display Chinese char in playlist window" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130097
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130098 in Ubuntu "nautilus crashes when viewing properties of a ntfs drive in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130098
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130099 in libapache2-mod-auth-pam (main) "libapache2-mod-auth-pam: doesnt work with Apache > 2.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130099
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130100 in update-manager (main) "Kon de pakketinformatie niet initialiseren" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130100
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130102 in clearlooks (universe) "Buggy update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130102
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130103 in wmaker (universe) "WMaker will crash and restart, when running MSVSS(by wine)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130103
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130105 in evince (main) "half of the page is displayed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130105
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130089 in notification-daemon (main) "notification-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130089
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #129995 in roundup (universe) "roundup needs to be taught to create /var/run/roundup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129995
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130110 in compiz (main) "compiz causes crash with fullscreen sdl applications (gutsy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130110
[10:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130111 in slrn (universe) "slrn does not support utf8" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130111
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130113 in hal (main) "hal <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu2 fail to initialize on R51e-2XC" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130113
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130114 in apparmor (main) "#include files should be in apparmor itself" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130114
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130115 in gnome-panel (main) "terminal open but cannot see anything just white and can't do anything" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130115
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #130120 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  LiVES" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130120
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130122 in luatex-snapshot (universe) "Package is missing and available in Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130122
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130123 in totem (main) "[problem]  There's no sound at all HP dv2325" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130123
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #130124 in Ubuntu "Gusty tribe 3 Installer didn't show existing partitions on harddrive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130124
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130127 in Ubuntu "Lexmark X3350 (3 in 1) cannot be installed, how is it possible?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130127
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130129 in luatex-snapshot (universe) "Please sync luatex-snapshot (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130129
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130131 in debian-installer (main) "[gutsy]  colored blocks during installation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130131
[12:39] <Kmos> coNP: are you there?
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130132 in nautilus (main) "dot-thumbnails gets huuuuuge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130132
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130134 in mozilla-firefox (main) "[gutsy gibbon] firefox disabled most of the themes that are installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130134
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130135 in dir2ogg (universe) "depend on mpg123 | mpg321" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130135
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130136 in mpg123 (multiverse) "mpg123: Please enable all optimizations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130136
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130137 in gambas (universe) "gambas doesn't open" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130137
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130139 in Ubuntu "intel i915=terrible perfomance..." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130139
[01:42] <coNP> hey Kmos.
[01:43] <coNP> Thanks for your mail. I think you are right, for syncs / removals debian tracker links are not needed.
[01:43] <coNP> However, if they are provided that won't harm anyone. So they can be left assigned. Especially, you might be interested how Debian solved the same issue.
[01:46] <Kmos> coNP: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Removal
[01:46] <Kmos> !removal
[01:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about removal - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:46] <Kmos> :(
[01:47] <coNP> Kmos: that says that for packages that are going to be removed from Debian you shouldn't even file a removal bug
[01:47] <coNP> This is not to cause extra work to archive admins.
[01:47] <coNP> If there is one removal request filed in LP, however, you can certainly assign the Debian bug. That makes no harm.
[01:48] <coNP> But anyway, this issue is not worth talking about it any more :)
[01:48] <Kmos> :-)
[01:49] <Kmos> personally i like more that sync request doesn't have bug watch
[01:51] <coNP> Why?
[01:51] <coNP> BTW sync requests shouldn't since Debian cannot sync
[01:51] <coNP> :)
[01:51] <coNP> And in the case of removals it can prove useful for admins, who can see that no action is needed, since Debian takes care of it.
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130140 in restricted-manager (restricted) "restricted manager worg xorg.conf for ATI fglrx" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130140
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130141 in Ubuntu "translation repos doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130141
[01:58] <Kmos> coNP: because it will be checked on debian.. don't need to give you extra work
[01:58] <coNP> Kmos: what gives extra work?
[01:58] <coNP> There is *already* a bug report on Debian.
[01:58] <Kmos> coNP: debian remove packages without checking if other packages will work after that
[01:59] <coNP> If you attach this, you can save work for Ubuntu developers.
[01:59] <Kmos> they're insane
[01:59] <Kmos> ubuntu motu =)
[01:59] <coNP> Because they know they should not investigate.
[01:59] <Kmos> they check the syncs
[01:59] <Kmos> they'll check all dependencies and test build package first
[01:59] <coNP> Yes. I would therefore attach the debian report to let them know, that they don't need to do this work.
[02:00] <Kmos> debian is just a way to know it was removed there
[02:00] <Kmos> you just need to mention that on comment
[02:00] <coNP> Yes. And then it will automatically be removed from Ubuntu.
[02:00] <Kmos> no.. it won't
[02:00] <Kmos> cjwatson doesn't care if it's removed from debian, it's only another information
[02:00] <coNP> Look at the wiki page you cited.
[02:01] <coNP> Okay. No matter. It is pointless to argue.
[02:01] <Kmos> they must check if all builds on ubuntu and dist-upgrade will work
[02:01] <coNP> Okay.
[02:01] <Kmos> but talk with Hobbsee about that
[02:01] <Kmos> she can explain you better than I
[02:02] <coNP> Heya Hobbsse.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:02] <coNP> sorry -s+e
[02:03] <cjwatson> Kmos: actually coNP is at least partially correct - before the auto-sync period ends, we semi-automatically remove packages from Ubuntu when they've been removed from Debian
[02:03] <Hobbsee> greetings, cjwatson!
[02:03] <cjwatson> it doesn't happen after the auto-sync period ends because if you do auto-removal but not auto-sync you can end up skewed in harmful ways
[02:03] <cjwatson> hello
[02:03] <coNP> I guess it is a pointless debate. I said assigning Debian remove does no harm to Ubuntu developers, it could even help to decide if (1) no action is needed from your part, because Debian takes care of it, or (2) you can remove the package and from the comments you might learn some issues. But anyhow, it might help, but surely does no harm.
[02:04] <cjwatson> -rwxr-xr-x 1 lp_archive lp_archive 9180 Jun 22 11:22 /home/lp_archive/bin/process-removals
[02:04] <Kmos> cjwatson: nice command :p
[02:04] <coNP> So it has no point unassigning remote bug tracks about Debian removals. This does not extra work, but *might* save some.
[02:04] <cjwatson> I only replied because my name was invoked, although I don't know exactly why you mentioned me in particular
[02:05] <cjwatson> coNP: packages that have been removed from Debian are a sort of special case of syncs, in a way
[02:05] <coNP> Yes.
[02:05] <cjwatson> so they should be filed in Ubuntu in the same kinds of cases where it's worth filing syncs
[02:05] <cjwatson> i.e. when it's important to get the package removed straight away, rather than waiting for the next release and having it auto-removed
[02:06] <coNP> Okay. I think I understand the whole removal process. I just cannot understand why it is *wrong* to assign the Debian removal bug. :)
[02:06] <cjwatson> Kmos: you are incorrect, by the way; Debian does not typically remove packages without any checks
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Kmos: yes, we do check everything for syncs, etc, first, so that we dont BREAK THE ARCHIVE.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> this is *sensible*.  if you dont have time for that, you dont have time to do packaging stuff.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> they're quite sane, really.
[02:07] <cjwatson> the removal tool used by Debian ftpmasters has an option to do the checks and everything
[02:07] <Kmos> cjwatson: I think you told me some days ago, they most of times remove packages without check for dependencies
[02:07] <cjwatson> Kmos: I do not remember doing so; please provide a citation
[02:08] <Kmos> i really don't remember if he's you.. forgot it
[02:08] <cjwatson> in any case, the Debian testing migration process provides a check against this doing any harm to Debian releases
[02:08] <cjwatson> we intentionally bypass that and apply our own QA
[02:08] <cjwatson> but that's not Debian's fault
[02:09] <cjwatson> Kmos: I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't quote me in future without being quite sure that I really did say what you're saying I said
[02:09] <cjwatson> this is not true:
[02:09] <cjwatson> 13:00 <Kmos> cjwatson doesn't care if it's removed from debian, it's only another information
[02:10] <Kmos> cjwatson: sorry for that
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130142 in update-manager (main) "update-manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130142
[02:11] <cjwatson> Kmos: thank you
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130145 in sdl-ttf2.0 (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130145
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130146 in evolution (main) "Freezes when creating a new email with a dynamically created shell-script signature" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130146
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130147 in libxml-parser-perl (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130147
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130149 in genext2fs (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130149
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130150 in expat (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130150
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130151 in bison (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130151
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130152 in Ubuntu "Mp3 profile is active in gnome-audio-profiles-properties but not choosable in sound-juicer, Rhythmbox and sound-recorder drop down list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130152
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #130153 in qcad (universe) "qcad misbehaves under some locales" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130153
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130154 in kdebase (main) "kprinter mishandles font encoding when doing page selection" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130154
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130155 in ardour (universe) "Please sync ardour (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130155
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130156 in bzr-svn (universe) "bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in svn_auth_set_parameter()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130156
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130157 in gnash (universe) "gnash 0.1 does not make correct symlinks for firefox epiphany" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130157
[02:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130159 in python-qt3 (main) "python-qt3 depends on python-sip4 <=4.7 but 4.7-1 installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130159
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130160 in gambas (universe) "Please sync gambas (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130160
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130101 in openoffice.org (main) "Openoffice 2.2 runs as root! (dup-of: 110724)" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130101
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130162 in restricted-manager (restricted) "package restricted-manager 0.24 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130162
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130164 in gnome-app-install (main) "package gnome-app-install 0.4.5-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130164
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130165 in synaptic (main) "package synaptic 0.60ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130165
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130166 in ubuntu-meta (main) "package ubuntu-desktop 1.58 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130166
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130167 in update-notifier (main) "package update-notifier 0.59 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130167
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130168 in eog (main) "package eog 2.19.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130168
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130169 in software-properties (main) "package software-properties-gtk 0.60 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130169
[03:24] <seb128> mvo: ^ this apt, apport integration is annoying, can we stop it?
[03:25] <seb128> mvo: when there is something like the icon cache update not working the users send 10 bugs without any detail
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130176 in nautilus (main) "when start search file on Nautilus 2.18.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130176
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130170 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "package gnome-desktop-environment 1:2.18.3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130170
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130171 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "package gnome-core 1:2.18.3ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130171
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130172 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.67 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130172
[03:27] <ubotu> New bug: #130175 in seahorse (universe) "package seahorse 2.19.5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130175
[03:27] <seb128> grrrrrr
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130178 in Ubuntu "[gutsy]  no sound recording" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130178
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130180 in Ubuntu "Package Manager Error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130180
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130181 in php-mcrypt (universe) "mcrypt hanging during encryption process " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130181
[03:50] <bderrly> hey, i'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jokosher/+bug/68915 and thinking it should be closed but i can't figure out how to verify 100% that the change has propagated to ubuntu
[03:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 68915 in jokosher "Crash when fast forwarding in song" [Undecided,Fix released]
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #130184 in kdebase (main) "Login manager (kdm) should not display disabled users" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130184
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130188 in ghc6 (universe) "ghc6-doc package seems to break on upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130188
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130189 in coreutils (main) "package coreutils 5.97-5.3ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130189
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130191 in notify-python (main) "python-notify lets python method return on a attach_to_status_icon() call" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130191
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130192 in quanta (universe) "Quanta+ : undo and redo are buggy after entered a Japanese text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130192
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130193 in compiz (main) "can't access xserver after switch to tty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130193
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130195 in polipo (universe) "Merge polipo 1.0.1 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130195
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130194 in mythtv (multiverse) "Some tuner cards will not resume after suspend/hibernate" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130194
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130200 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus using incorrect file size units" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130200
[06:00] <LadyNikon> <3 coke zero
[06:00] <LadyNikon> whoops
[06:00] <LadyNikon> wrong channel
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #130202 in gnome-games (main) "Gnotski and image not found" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130202
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130203 in Ubuntu "MoM creates package against wrong tarball when tarballs are different" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130203
[06:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130206 in xorg (main) "default xorg.conf does not have necessary EndSubSections" [Critical,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130206
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130208 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "package nvidia-glx None failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130208
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130210 in Ubuntu "Update Manager dies importing Automatix Repos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130210
[06:52] <gnomefreak> thats a good thing
[06:52] <gnomefreak> not a bug IMHO
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130211 in menu (universe) "update-menus hangs <defunct>" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130211
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130212 in dbus (main) "All d-bus users crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130212
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #130213 in rhythmbox (main) "rhtmbox doesn't play the next song after first song finished" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130213
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130214 in postfix (main) "Please sync postfix 2.4.5-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130214
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130215 in easytag (universe) "Easytag doesn't recognize some audio files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130215
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #130218 in gxine (main) "[GUTSY] gxine cannot find libmozjs.so" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130218
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130219 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Pinky-Tagger" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130219
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #130221 in Ubuntu "2.6.22-9 kernel acpi segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130221
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130207 in Ubuntu "USB Keyboard stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130207
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130224 in gtk+2.0 (main) "gtkfilechooser save/save as dialog misplaces focus" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130224
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130225 in bzr-builddeb (universe) "Whichlist: Include bzr log -s as Changelog" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130225
[08:30] <calc> bug 35087
[08:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35087 in openoffice.org "OOo crashes on Dapper with signal 8 when opening own templates" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/35087
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130227 in debian-installer (main) "partman fails to install xubuntu 7.10 alternate 386 tribe 3 on sata disk with vt6421A controller" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130227
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130228 in gnome-panel (main) "Software index is broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130228
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #130229 in python-numpy (universe) "python-numpy and python-numpy-dev 1:1.0.3-1ubuntu1 conflict" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130229
[08:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130230 in syck "syck 0.55+svn256 fails to build on ia64" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130230
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #130237 in purple-plugin-pack (universe) "Please sync purple-plugin-pack (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130237
[09:13] <ScottK> Pici: Ping
[09:14] <ScottK> It's probably not the best use of your time to dupe a bug that's already been marked fix released and give a generic response to look at the other bug. Bug #130229
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130229 in python-numpy "python-numpy and python-numpy-dev 1:1.0.3-1ubuntu1 conflict (dup-of: 130048)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130229
[09:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130048 in python-numpy "[Gutsy]  Unable to install/upgrade python-numpy" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130048
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #130238 in openldap2 (main) "OpenLDAP chroot by default" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130238
[09:24] <Pici> ScottK: I realize that. I had the window open and hadn't touched it for a bit, when I replied I realized that it was marked as 'fixed released'
[09:25] <ScottK> Even if I hadn't marked it Fix Released, your repsonse made it sound like you hadn't even read the bug you were duping it to.
[09:25] <ScottK> Saying "Look for a work around ..." in a bug that says a fix has been released, just upgrade isn't really right.
[09:26] <Pici> Yeah, that wasnt so swift of me... I'll be more careful next time.
[09:26] <ScottK> No problem.  That's how we all learn.
[09:27] <Pici> Yep :)
[09:27] <ScottK> It's also always a good idea to refresh your browser window if you've been away from a bug for a bit.
[09:28] <Pici> I think after this I wont forget.
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #130239 in devil (universe) "[needs-packaging] DevIL" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130239
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126385 in redfish "Suspend/Hibernate with nv driver and NVIDIA 8400M GS doesn't work (dup-of: 121801)" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126385
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #130240 in firefox (main) "Firefox Save Image dialog Compiz problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130240
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130241 in Ubuntu "x server problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130241
[09:46] <rbs-tito> I know bug 127281 isn't really a bug, but I might as well help the guy out. Does anyone know what can be done?
[09:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127281 in Ubuntu "'update-manager'" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127281
[09:47] <ScottK> looks even
[09:49] <ScottK> rbs-tito: I'd say he needs to remove virtualbox (I'm guessing apt-get -f install would do it) and then talk to them about how to install their package.
[09:49] <rbs-tito> apt-get -f ?
[09:49] <rbs-tito> ok
[09:50] <ScottK> apt-get -f install
[09:50] <ScottK> sudo also
[09:50] <mvo> rbs-tito: tell him to run "dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq virtualbox
[09:50] <ScottK> That's even better.
[09:50] <rbs-tito> ok
[09:50] <ScottK> THanks mvo.
[09:51] <mvo> cheers
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #130244 in openswan (universe) "openswan prevents ethernet module from loading" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130244
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #130247 in Ubuntu "Random system freeze (keyboard led blink)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130247
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #130248 in Ubuntu "Savage (IBM T23): Gnome/Xorg crashes in fullscreen mode" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130248
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #130249 in gnome-python-extras (main) "sigsegv from gtkmozembed python bindings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130249
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #130250 in kdebase (main) "Kubuntu Gutsy regression: maximized window underruns panel" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130250
[10:41] <ScottK> mvo: Any chance you'd have a moment to discuss your won't fixing Bug #129575?  I've added a further comment to it.
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129575 in apt "Version control system warnings annoying and misleading" [Undecided,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129575
[10:41] <mvo> ScottK: sure
[10:41] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:42] <mvo> ScottK: here or in the bugreport?
[10:42] <ScottK> How about here?
[10:42] <mvo> ok
[10:43] <ScottK> mvo: I can see wanting to tell someone something like "The Debian packaging is maintained here ...", but asking for a confirmation is just huge overkill in my book.
[10:44] <ScottK> I already asked to download the source package and you're telling how to get a subset of that.  It's two different questions.
[10:45] <mvo> ok, let me describe what problem I try to solve with it
[10:46] <ScottK> OK
[10:46] <mvo> the idea is that people stop uploading stuff that is maintained in a version control system. this brings pain to people because the VCS is out of sync with the archive
[10:46] <mvo> that means manual fiddling, bugs and anoyance
[10:47] <mvo> the right thing to do in such a case is branch from the repo, do the changes there and then upload and tell the original maintainer where to merge from
[10:47] <ScottK> So does that mean I should stop trying to fix bugs in packages maintained in bzr because I haven't the first clue how to use it?
[10:48] <mvo> no, that is not what I want to say
[10:48] <mvo> of course not :)
[10:48] <ScottK> That's how it sounded.
[10:48] <ScottK> I already use cvs and svn on a number of projects.
[10:48] <mvo> its meant as a reminder that for a vcs maintained package a debdiff is a good idea
[10:48] <mvo> or a branch
[10:49] <mvo> to make it easier for the people to keep archive<->vcs in sync
[10:49] <ScottK> Agreed about a reminder, but don't stop the download and make me ack it before giving me what I asked for.
[10:49] <mvo> I know and understand that this makes some things more difficult
[10:50] <ScottK> If the warning were clarified and it didn't require a confirmation, I think it would be a great idea.
[10:50] <mvo> I guess the wording is too strong, but I would to keep a thing that reminds people. in the long run I expect a lot more package maintained in bzr
[10:50] <mvo> (too strong and not really clear)
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #130251 in Ubuntu "Power on delay, without an internet conexion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130251
[10:51] <ScottK> To me it smacks of I know better than you when it asks Are you sure...
[10:51] <mvo> ScottK: "apt-get source -y apt" is not good enough?
[10:51] <mvo> ScottK: right, sorry for that bad wording
[10:51] <mvo> usually I try to weasel out of this by explaining that I'm not a native speaker ;)
[10:51] <ScottK> So what other questions am I saying Yes to when I do that?
[10:52] <mvo> for apt-get source? no others, it does not really ask questions
[10:52] <ScottK> It didn't ask any at all until recently.
[10:52] <mvo> I can double check that to absolutely sure
[10:52] <ScottK> Can you promise it won't change?
[10:52] <ScottK> To me -y is just a poor practice.
[10:53] <mvo> that is a good point
[10:53] <ScottK> If a question is being asked, it ought to be important and I ought to think about my answer.
[10:53] <mvo> as a alterntive we could only prompt about branches maintained in launchpad ?
[10:53] <ScottK> I agree with printing the message, but not with requiring the response.
[10:53] <mvo> I think the question is important, just printing a message will lead to people ignoring that message
[10:53] <ScottK> That's somewhat better.
[10:54] <ScottK> Having an annoying question will lead to people using -y and ignoring that message ;-)
[10:54] <mvo> I think that is a good compromise, there are few maintained currently in LP and for those it really makes sense to ask
[10:54] <mvo> true :)
[10:55] <ScottK> I think it's progress, but I still think it's a pretty orthogonal point to getting a debian source package.
[10:55] <mvo> ok, lets do that for now and see how it works out. and when that gets anoying we just make apt-get source to checkout the bzr branch automatically if it can do that
[10:55] <ScottK> NO.  Please dont' do that.
[10:56] <ScottK> If I'm downloading postfix from Gutsy, I should get the source for 2.4.5-1, not whatever lamont has in his git tree for 2.4.5-2.
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #130253 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Gutsy: Volume OSD is too small" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130253
[10:56] <mvo> hm, maybe I do not understand the issue then. what would be wrong with htis?
[10:56] <ScottK> You are giving the user something different than they asked for.
[10:56] <ScottK> What if I'm trying to understand a bug I'm seeing and I download the source.
[10:57] <mvo> that is really a difficult question, quite often this is exactly what I want, but then on other times it is not what I want
[10:57] <ScottK> You give me the vcs version that already has it fixed and I spend hours trying to understand how that patch can be there and I have the problem.
[10:57] <ScottK> But if you want the vcs version, then use the vcs tools to get it.
[10:57] <ScottK> That's not what apt-get source is for.
[10:58] <ScottK> It should always return exactly what's in the repository.
[10:58] <ScottK> Any other way is a path to chaos and madness.
[10:58] <mvo> but if the vcs version has the fix already, isn't it a duplication of effort to get the version without the fix and fix it again?
[10:58] <mvo> in your example?
[10:58] <ScottK> But if I'm seeing the problem in the released version, get a different source and don't know it, how will I know that?
[10:59] <ScottK> If I'm trying to root cause a bug, I was the exact package that's having the bug.
[10:59] <mvo> I agree that it should give the version in the archive, I do not agree that its the path to madness to use the vcs version. a lot of confusion is there because with a vcs you have the version in the archive and the version in your vcs. if those get out of sync, things become difficult
[10:59] <ScottK> Agreed it's difficult.
[11:00] <mvo> ideally the vcs version with the fix states that it has the fix in the changelog
[11:00] <mvo> ideally :)
[11:00] <ScottK> The path to madness bit is if apt-get source starts returning stuff other than the source package in the repositories.  That's what apt-get source is for.
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #130255 in Ubuntu "Wish: Please default-accept CAcert.ord SSL Certificates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130255
[11:01] <mvo> ok, that is something I agree with. it should not do this without prior authorization or without the technical means to get the same thing that is in the archive
[11:02] <mvo> it seems to me like the whole topic is big enough to discuss in a broader scope
[11:02] <ScottK> I agree.
[11:02] <mvo> would you mind to bring it up on ubuntu-devel? so that others can share the opinions?
[11:02] <ScottK> Sorry if the language in the bug was strong, but I found the whole change very disturbing.
[11:03] <mvo> I'm sure you are not the only one and there is a lot of room for improvment
[11:03] <ScottK> How about I do that and you clarify the warning and just ask the question for stuff on LP in the meantime?
[11:03] <mvo> so no need to apologize :)
[11:03] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:03] <mvo> that sounds like a great plan
[11:03] <mvo> if you help me with a better text, that would be great (you are a native speaker, right?)
[11:04] <ScottK> I am a native speaker.
[11:04] <mvo> cool
[11:04] <ScottK> How about if I update the bug with a recommendation and confirm it after I do?
[11:04] <mvo> sounds good to me, thanks! its a bit later here already, I will probably go to sleep soon. can we do that tomorrow (or monday)
[11:05] <ScottK> Sure.
[11:05] <ScottK> I'll be around both most of the day.
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130256 in gzip (main) "zcmp keeps running in a endless loop" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130256
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #130257 in pidgin (main) "problem with spell checker in pidgin (and previously gaim)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130257
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #130259 in nautilus (main) "Slow moving of (media) files when viewing the target folder" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130259
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130262 in screen (main) "screen not compiled with 256color support" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130262
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130263 in ppracer (universe) "Crash on Ubuntu Gutsy with Compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130263
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #130264 in libcairo-perl (main) "sync request" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130264


[03:27] <upen15> Just to let you know, operator dax is using his anti-semitism to abuse his privileges as an operator.
[03:28] <elky> please pick another nick and i might take you seriously
[03:28] <upen15> I was expressing how I feel like I've been wronged and he muted me for no reason other than that he does not like Jewish people.
[03:28] <upen15> elky: What is wrong with my nick?
[03:28] <elky> it's a little phallic
[03:28] <upen15> upen15 = University of Pennsylvania 2015 is when I graduated from there
[03:29] <elky> then i would expect you would know how to spell upenn
[03:29] <upen15> I wanted to keep things short.
[03:29] <elky> no, you wanted your nick to say "penis"
[03:29] <upen15> No, I did not. You're being very immature.
[03:30] <elky> well your nick says penis anyway, please pick a family friendly nick before we continue
[03:31]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[03:31] <upenn15> My nick does not say penis.
[03:31] <upenn15> Why are you so immature?
[03:31] <elky> mostly to waste your time
[03:31] <upenn15> I spelled out immature things on a calculator when I was in 2nd grade.
[03:31] <elky> since you're very clearly trolling
[03:31] <upenn15> I'm now an adult
[03:32] <dax> are you sure
[03:32] <upenn15> This is unbelievable
[03:32] <upenn15> Anti-semites and trolls run this community... wow pathetic.
[03:32] <upenn15> I'm beyond words right now.
[03:32] <dax> does that mean you're going to stop talking
[03:32] <upenn15> Please tell me where you live.
[03:32] <elky> you're free to leave
[03:33] <elky> i can't remember the address of the nearest fbi building right now
[03:33] <dax> sec
[03:33] <upenn15> I have a friend who got a job there.
[03:34] <elky> well direct your complaints to your friend then
[03:34] <upenn15> His specialty is in languages
[03:35] <dax> elky: Ratakatu 12, 00101 Helsinki, Finland
[03:35] <upenn15> And if you would know the FBI won't take a case like this you moron
[03:35] <upenn15> I'm going to report you for trying to dox me dax. That's against freenode policy.
[03:36] <Unit193> upenn15: ...He's staff, report him to himself.
[03:36] <elky> conveniently there's a staffer right here to report it to. dax someone would like to report doxxing
[03:36] <dax> i saw!
[03:36] <dax> i am providing excellent customer service in #freenode
[03:37] <Unit193> Why that's great, thank you very much!
[03:57] <Unit193> My friend left. :(
[03:58] <dax> lol they reconnected from a different IP
[03:58] <dax> unfortunately I am too smart for them
[03:59] <dax> well, maybe, anyway. I forget whether IP bans with * in them match webchat
[03:59] <dax> we'll see!
[08:53] <k1l> @comment 76168 obvious troll provoking with !ops call and tried to stirr up drama with "<OS-28399> Unity sucks - fix it"
[10:08] <tahr64userddcd2c> ah , my pal ikonia
[10:08] <ikonia> what's up ?
[10:09] <tahr64userddcd2c> was the insult ? lurkers ?
[10:09] <m14ed> as i suspect
[10:09] <ikonia> nothing to do with this channel
[10:09] <m14ed> i realize that sir
[10:09] <ikonia> please /part this channel, this channel is for ubuntu issues
[10:09] <m14ed> in PL
[10:09] <ikonia> you're welcome to contact me in the channel / or a pm
[10:09] <ikonia> but this place is for ubuntu issues, please do not use this channel
[10:10] <m14ed> i went as directed by your message
[10:10] <ikonia> m14ed: my apologies, that was an auto message that shouldn't have been displayed
[10:10] <ikonia> if you /part this channel and drop me a message I'd be happy to talk to you
[10:10] <m14ed> accepted / no problem sir
[10:11] <ikonia> apologies to the -ops channel too - it was the wrong kick message
[10:11] <m14ed>  it isn't needed, i had heard i was being talked about and my actions -
[10:11] <m14ed> wont happen again


[01:47] <ubuntu-mate> hello
[06:27] <asciime> Hello
[06:28] <asciime> I really like ubuntu mate!
[09:52] <emanuele> ciao
[09:53] <Guest12143> ok grazie
[12:54] <latitude> Need help installing linux on another device
[12:55] <diogenes_> and?
[12:56] <latitude> I have a USB stick with the .iso on it but it will not install on the other device. How do I make another one with the same USB stick
[12:57] <diogenes_> what other device
[12:57] <latitude> Just another PC
[12:58] <diogenes_> does the usb boot?
[13:00] <latitude> not anymore
[13:00] <latitude> I just get messages on the screen
[13:00] <diogenes_> which says?
[13:01] <latitude> I will check brb
[13:22] <latitude> its says the data is corrupted
[13:22] <latitude> SQUASHFS error
[13:26] <latitude> how can i erase a USB stick that has an .iso on it and has been configure to boot from??
[13:30] <latitude> Can anyone help me make a linux USB boot stick so I can install linux on another PC
[15:53] <latitude> My .iso USB linux boot stick is corrupted how can I remake it?
[15:56] <latitude> Can anyone help me. Thank you in advance
[16:00] <vlt> latitude: Download the iso and write it to the usb drive using tools like pv, dd or just cat.
[16:01] <vlt> latitude: You might need root permissions (sudo) to write to /dev/your_stick
[16:02] <latitude> I'm downloading the .iso right now. I'm saving it to my current linux machine for later.
[16:02] <latitude> Do I need special software to make a bootable USB stick so I can install in on another PC
[16:03] <latitude> it*
[20:17] <la> i
[20:17] <la> hi
[22:34] <jc-informatica> ola. boa noite.. alguem do Brazil ????
[22:35] <jc-informatica> ??
[22:36] <jc-informatica> from brazil.... ???
[23:50] <mate|51431> will any Firefox release above 44 work with Ubuntu mate 15.04?


[00:12] <adhorden> hi all, what is the best way to export a directory to $PATH inside a package?
[00:16] <RAOF> l3on: Did you re-run autoconf?
[00:20] <RAOF> adhorden: You mean, installing the package causes $PATH to contain more directories?
[00:21] <adhorden> RAOF: I am creating a new package but the binaries are in /usr/share/package/bin and I either need this in the path or symlink to /usr/bin
[00:23] <RAOF> Can you not just install the binaries to /usr/bin?  Why are they installed to /usr/share/package/bin?
[00:24] <l3on> RAOF, yes
[00:25] <l3on> too late here, going bed... see you!. (and thanks)
[00:25] <RAOF> K.
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:50] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:50] <dholbach> hi iulian
[10:04] <micahg> bdrung: vlc 2.0.0  final still FTBFS on powerpc
[10:14] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: will you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spyder/+bug/887177/comments/9 ?
[14:17] <hakermania> Hello, I would like to ask where is the deadline for submitting my application (Wallch) through debian for inclusion in 12.04
[14:18] <hakermania> when*
[14:28] <tumbleweed> hakermania: feature freeze was last week
[16:16] <pabelanger> I know featurefreeze is in affect, but anything else needed for bug 897006 and bug 408757
[16:17] <tumbleweed> !ffe|pabelanger
[16:19] <pabelanger> tumbleweed, understood, but do you think it is worth it going to down that path?  Otherwise i'll just maintain my own local version and wait for Ubuntu 12.04 +1 for them to be included
[16:21] <tumbleweed> if you want it in precise, go down that path. If you don't think it's that urgent, it's less paperwork to just make that change in debian and wait for ubuntu to get it next cycle
[16:22] <tumbleweed> (you'd probably get the FFe, if you applied)
[16:24] <pabelanger> okay, thanks for the info
[17:59] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: autch, ugly, I'll pull the bugfix release
[18:00] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: we couldn't have known... :)
[18:00] <jtaylor> better inform the debian maintainer, he is preparing a stable bpo
[18:01] <tumbleweed> yup
[18:26] <jtaylor> any oppinions on git-buildpacakge 0.6 in precise?
[18:27] <jtaylor> or is it to late?
[18:27] <jtaylor> it has a quite large number of changes
[18:27] <tumbleweed> any good new features?
[18:28] <micahg> pabelanger: also, there'a always backports :)
[18:28] <tumbleweed> that's true, we should start getting peopl eto use pre-release backports
[18:29] <jtaylor> a couple, gbp sqitch, force replacement of patchqueue branch are some that caught my eye
[18:30] <jtaylor> pbuilder support seems improved
[18:31] <jtaylor> its nothing we absolutly need
[18:32]  * tumbleweed is ambivalent. Meaning you'd probably get an FFe from me.
[18:35] <jtaylor> hm pbuilder-dist powerpc setup creates size 0 tarballs ._.
[18:36] <tumbleweed> that sonuds bad
[18:36] <jtaylor> hm E: qemu-debootstrap failed, how do I get a better error message?
[18:39] <tumbleweed> qemu-debootstrap should have outputted things
[18:39] <tumbleweed> pbuilder-dist precise powerpc create seems to be working for me (on debian)
[18:39] <jtaylor> I: Configuring initramfs-tools...
[18:39] <jtaylor> E: qemu-debootstrap failed
[18:40] <jtaylor> W: Aborting with an error
[18:40] <jtaylor> < oneiric
[18:45] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: as you have a working one, can you try and install libmagickcore-dev?
[18:46] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: it's still creating... don't know if it'll work
[18:54] <tumbleweed> hrm, it debootstrapped, and then died during an a hook
[18:54] <tumbleweed> Reading package lists...
[18:54] <tumbleweed> E: Can't mmap an empty file
[18:54] <tumbleweed> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[18:57] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: the oneiric one created fine
[18:58] <jtaylor> I'll try and update that one then :)
[19:04] <jtaylor> qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
[19:04] <jtaylor> so much for that
[19:06] <tumbleweed> powerpc doesn't work that well under qemu :)
[19:13] <jtaylor> the builders are pretty unusable for a while too, pypy and libreoffice xD
[19:14] <jtaylor> good that my stuff is done already
[19:17]  * tumbleweed wonders if pypy is at the end of the first translation or second
[19:17] <tumbleweed> probably first
[19:26] <jtaylor> what is the sandboxed pypy?
[19:42] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: it's safe to run untusted code in
[19:42] <tumbleweed> it only has read-only access to a subset of the filesystem, and can't make dangerous system calls
[19:54] <jtaylor> hm how bulletproof is that?
[19:56] <jtaylor> was pypy designed from beginning to provide such a feature?
[19:57]  * ajmitch thought it was
[19:58] <jtaylor> regular python does not provide such a mode or?
[19:59] <ajmitch> http://docs.python.org/library/restricted.html
[19:59] <jtaylor> the warning at the top of that page makes me question pypy :)
[19:59] <ajmitch> heh
[20:00] <ajmitch> I think there was some other implementation of it, I think zope may have used http://pypi.python.org/pypi/RestrictedPython
[20:01] <jtaylor> trying to add such things onto frameworks not designed to provide such features mostly goes wrong, I wouldn't trust it
[20:02] <ajmitch> what could possibly go wrong? :)
[20:02] <ajmitch> tbh, I don't know most of the details around it, so don't trust anything I say
[20:05] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: yes
[20:06] <tumbleweed> chances are there's a security hole somewhere in it, but I'd trust it more than anything that runs in cpython
[20:07] <tumbleweed> FWIW: http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/sandbox.html
[20:08] <ajmitch> so when can we use python instead of javascript in a mainstream browser? :)
[20:08] <tumbleweed> JIT is disabled for the sandobx :)
[20:10] <jtaylor> maybe pypy will grow a javascript translater :)
[20:10] <jtaylor> would probably still be better than dart ;)
[20:13]  * tumbleweed makes a mental not to orphan it if it does
[20:13] <tumbleweed> note
[20:14] <ajmitch> the problem with having something in a browser (like dart) is getting enough support for it so that you don't have to write both JS & whatever other language
[20:14] <ajmitch> but it'd still be nice to have python :)
[20:16] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I know about featurefreeze, but does this mean that no application can lay in USC anymore for 12.04?
[20:18] <tumbleweed> hakermania: it means you go through the freeze exception process, or through the new "Upload to backports because we are in feature freeze" process
[20:18] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: is that open & available now?
[20:18] <broder> tumbleweed: pre-release backports are kind dead in the water at the moment - you can't upload to the backports pocket because i haven't gotten my lp patch in, and there's still the inter-backports build-dep issue
[20:18] <tumbleweed> broder: ah, there we go, then
[20:18] <broder> (the former is kind of the bigger issue at the moment)
[20:18] <ajmitch> broder: right, the latter issue is still due to sbuild?
[20:19] <broder> right
[20:19] <hakermania> tumbleweed, what do you recommend : P?
[20:19] <micahg> hakermania: there's always backports post release as well
[20:19] <ajmitch> broder: anything we can help with for that?
[20:19]  * ajmitch would like to get some things synced from debian once uploaded there :)
[20:19] <hakermania> Also, shouldn't it be an easy way to lay an update (a new version) of an application already in USC?
[20:19] <micahg> hakermania: get it into Debian :)
[20:20] <hakermania> micahg, of course, that is what I'll do :)
[20:20] <hakermania> But I want to make sure that it will lay on usc in ubuntu
[20:22] <broder> ajmitch: well, i actually want to follow up with the TB about one aspect of the pan
[20:22] <broder> *plan
[20:23] <broder> we originally said that we wanted to build with the same component isolation on the buildds that we have for other pockets
[20:23] <broder> but given that we're planning to bump the version number and reupload anything in p-backports to q, i don't actually think that's necessary
[20:24] <hakermania> a) Is there any chance an application to be imported to USC while the new release is out? b) Does getting an app into debian mean automatically and quickly mean that it will be ported to usc in ubuntu?
[20:25] <micahg> broder: well, is there an option for main+restricted+backports only?
[20:26] <broder> micahg: huh?
[20:26] <tumbleweed> hakermania: that's what ARB does, but it can't replaces packages in the archive
[20:26] <tumbleweed> hakermania: but you can do a backport of a package in the archive, post-release
[20:26] <micahg> broder: that's where you'd run into component issues, in that corner case if we're doing rebuilds anyways
[20:26] <ajmitch> broder: I guess it's a little late to add a tb agenda item now
[20:27] <hakermania> tumbleweed, I don't get anything, let me do a bit of searching about the terms, or, even better, because I've heard of this, may I give the code to somebody really interesting in packaging and all this stuff so as to do it for us? Somebody who loves this process?
[20:30] <tumbleweed> hakermania: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[20:30] <hakermania> tumbleweed, thanks :)
[20:34] <broder> micahg: i'm still confused. the question is which components should be enabled for builds in the backports pocket. i think our original plan involved a pocket-copy from precise-backports to q, and because of that the TB asked for us to enable the same components that normal pockets would get
[20:34] <broder> but since we're going to be doing rebuilds when we copy the backport packages into the next release, i'm not sure that makes sense
[20:34] <broder> it creates the potential for additional build failures due to component mismatches, but i feel like that happens anyway
[20:35] <micahg> hrm, right, it doesn't make sense
[20:35] <micahg> we had this discussion before :)
[20:36] <tumbleweed> indeed, I seem to remember it
[20:46] <broder> ajmitch: anyway, we could still land uploading to non-release pockets pre-release
[20:47] <broder> i have the patch written, but haven't had time to adjust the tests
[20:47] <broder> i don't know when i will, so if you wanted to help, i could throw that your way :)
[20:48] <broder> (or anybody, for that matter. http://paste.ubuntu.com/850487/ is the patch i have so far)
[20:48]  * ajmitch could take a look but not promise a lot - I need to update my local LP instance, it hasn't been touched for awhile :)
[20:48] <ajmitch> got a branch for that?
[20:48] <broder> nope
[20:48] <hakermania> tumbleweed, if I got it right, I upload the package here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/, then I request a FF exception?
[20:48] <tumbleweed> hakermania: that's not for apps in the Ubuntu archive
[20:49] <hakermania> tubmleweed, backporting is for this?
[20:49] <ajmitch> broder: of course you're touching scary bits of code that can cause everything to explode :)
[20:49] <broder> ajmitch: where's the fun if you don't? :-P
[20:49] <hakermania> ok, got it
[20:49] <ajmitch> it's like juggling chainsaws
[20:50] <tumbleweed> if you want to go that route (ARB) your application shouldn't be in ubuntu
[20:50] <tumbleweed> yes, backporting is for packages in the archive
[20:50] <tumbleweed> ARB is a separate world
[20:50] <ajmitch> packages submitted via the ARB also have other restrictions about what they can do, where files can be, etc
[20:50] <ajmitch> since extras.ubuntu.com is not technically part of ubuntu as such :)
[20:51] <tumbleweed> ajmitch is reminding me of recent dicussions in the tech board...
[20:51] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: yep
[20:51] <tumbleweed> by sabdfl's definition, it is
[20:52] <ajmitch> it can be considered part of ubuntu for remixes, but afaict is still considered separate
[20:52] <ajmitch> it's all confusing :)
[20:53] <tumbleweed> :)
[20:54] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: I think there's a TB meeting in a few minutes if you want to bring it up again? :)
[20:58] <stgraber> please don't, I'm kind of counting on a short TB meeting ;)
[21:05] <ajmitch> stgraber: looks like it may be short after all
[21:26] <tumbleweed> so much for short... /me grabs some virtual popcorn
[21:27]  * micahg brings the soda
[21:28] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: yeah, this was the discussion I showed up for :)
[21:29] <ajmitch> of course I got interrupted by phone calls at work
[22:37] <l3on> Hi all, someone can sponsor me a rebuild for bug #935116 ?
[22:37] <jtaylor> spyder already fixed :O
[22:37] <l3on> (or I need to bzr merge-propose?)
[22:38] <jtaylor> no change rebuild?
[22:38] <l3on> jtaylor, apparently not
[22:38] <l3on> I'm rebuild it again
[22:38] <l3on> just to be sure 100%
[22:40] <l3on> jtaylor, no changes needed → http://debomatic.debian.net/precise/pool/glmark2_2011.09-0ubuntu2/
[22:40] <jtaylor> urg a waf package :(
[22:40] <l3on> it has just a changelog entry
[22:41] <jtaylor> l3on: do we even need to rebuilt it? closing the bug seems sufficient?
[22:41] <jtaylor> or is it part or some transition
[22:42] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: impressive :) please sync it
[22:42] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: will do, though I would have liked it if they took a bit more time
[22:42] <jtaylor> probably more bugs in that panic release ._.
[22:42] <tumbleweed> heh
[22:43] <l3on> jtaylor, the FTBFS comes from the test rebuild
[22:43] <broder> l3on: oh, hey, since you're around, https://code.launchpad.net/~l3on/ubuntu/natty/gdevilspie/fix-for-783568/+merge/89717 can be marked as merged since it's already been uploaded (just not accepted), right?
[22:44] <tumbleweed> l3on: ifit doesn't FTBFS any more, then close the bug
[22:44] <jtaylor> I checked the depends
[22:44] <jtaylor> ony difference higher libc
[22:45] <jtaylor> so not part of a transition no rebuild required just close the bug
[22:45] <jtaylor> thouugh I only tried it on amd64
[22:45] <jtaylor> maybe its i386 specific
[22:45] <l3on> we do not need to "kick" a new changelog entry ?
[22:45] <jtaylor> l3on: there is nothing to change
[22:45] <jtaylor> did you rebuild on i386?
[22:45] <l3on> ah ok :)
[22:45] <l3on> jtaylor, yes
[22:45] <l3on> broder, let me remember :P
[22:45] <jtaylor> k then just close it
[22:46] <l3on> oki
[22:46] <l3on> status ?
[22:47] <jtaylor> doesn'T really matty, I'd say fix released as it was broken at the time of the rebuild for some reason
[22:47] <jtaylor> *matter
[22:47] <l3on> done
[22:48] <l3on> broder, well.. I don't know what going on there
[22:48] <l3on> yes changes appear to be in *-proposed
[22:49] <jtaylor> sorry I forgot to mark it merged
[22:49] <jtaylor> oh I can't I'm not member of sponsors :/
[22:49] <broder> l3on: ah, ok. merge proposals for SRUs are weird - they pretty much never get cleaned up on automatically
[22:49] <broder> it's not a sponsors thing
[22:49] <jtaylor> who can add me to that team?
[22:49] <broder> only !ubuntu-branches or the branch submitted can change the state of an SRU MP
[22:49] <broder> err, s/!/~/
[22:50] <l3on> Laney, around ?
[22:53] <l3on> ah if somebody merge this https://code.launchpad.net/~l3on/ubuntu/precise/flow-tools/fix-936170/+merge/93728
[22:53] <l3on> I can close another FTBFS (always with rebuild)
[22:55] <l3on> ah and I would like to discuss with you this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb-msp430/+bug/935098
[22:55] <l3on> I would say "won't fix" since it's not compatible with the gdb version in precise
[22:55] <tumbleweed> l3on: that's an RC bug in debian, right?
[22:56] <tumbleweed> why don't we NMU it there and sync?
[22:56] <l3on> tumbleweed, at which one do you refer ?
[22:56] <l3on> (bug I mean)
[22:56] <tumbleweed> flow-tools
[22:57] <l3on> ah ok.. yes, it can be done.. I took patch from there
[22:57] <tumbleweed> although, it was from a DD, he could have NMUed it himself
[22:59] <l3on> so, we have to wait or to merge my branch ?
[23:00] <tumbleweed> either option works
[23:02] <tumbleweed> if you prepare an NMU, I'll sponsor it for you
[23:07] <l3on> ok, let me do it.
[23:24] <Laney> l3on: hello
[23:24] <l3on> Laney, hello... do you remeber the bug of yesterday?
[23:25] <l3on> the acinclude.m4 ?
[23:25] <l3on> I don't know how to fix it :P
[23:25] <l3on> I countinue to have:
[23:25] <l3on> ./configure: line 2625: `  PKG_CHECK_MODULES(AUGEAS, augeas >= 0.8)'
[23:25] <l3on>  ./configure: line 2625: syntax error near unexpected token `AUGEAS,'
[23:26] <Laney> show me the diff?
[23:28] <l3on> Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/850690/
[23:34] <Laney> I don't see 0.8 there anywhere - is that what you applied?
[23:34] <Laney> anyway my diff is like this
[23:35] <Laney> -   AC_CHECK_HEADERS([augeas.h],[],[has_augeas_h=no])
[23:35] <Laney> +   PKG_CHECK_MODULES(augeas,[augeas],has_augeas_h=yes,has_augeas_h=no)
[23:35] <Laney> +#   AC_CHECK_HEADERS([augeas.h],[],[has_augeas_h=no])
[23:39] <l3on> tumbleweed, http://paste.ubuntu.com/850703/
[23:41] <l3on> checking for library containing aug_init... -laugeas
[23:41] <l3on> ./configure: line 2627: syntax error near unexpected token `augeas,augeas,has_augeas_h=yes,has_augeas_h=no'
[23:41] <l3on> ./configure: line 2627: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(augeas,augeas,has_augeas_h=yes,has_augeas_h=no)'
[23:41] <l3on> Laney, bah bah
[23:41] <l3on> $ autoconf --version
[23:41] <l3on> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.68
[23:46] <l3on> mmm... but run autoreconf fixes that


[01:04] <crimsun> TheMuso: in jaunty's new PM world, we should investigate handling legacy (non-PM-enabled) sound modules for suspend (& resume) by unloading+alsactl store (& loading+alsactl restore) as per Takashi's recent e-mail on alsa-devel.  (Yes, the drivers should be updated, really...)
[01:05] <crimsun> there's some elbow grease involved, but I'm happy to look into it this cycle
[01:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok, I'm happy to help where necessary.,
[01:08] <TheMuso> crimsun: I've also been attempting to play with a managable source package for alsa modules in a separate package. Haven't really come up with anything yet, short of using the script in alsa-driver to copy the files into alsa-kernel from a git tree.
[01:10] <TheMuso> crimsun: In that case, I'll subscribe to any pm related specs.
[02:01] <zoopster> If a kernel bug affecting ubuntu has been fixed upstream how can I get my hands on a compiled kernel with the patch to test?
[02:24] <TheMuso> zoopster: It depends on what version of the kernel the bug was fixed in. If its part of 2.6.27, then likely enough it may be included in a future kernel update for intrepid.
[02:27] <zoopster> TheMuso: thanks. the patches were put upstream for 2.6.27 and launchpad shows fix released from upstream...was unsure how that trickled down and how long that took. I didn't want to recompile a kernel with the patches if that was already done somewhere else
[11:45] <tseliot> amitk: I forgot to send a message (which reports a problem with the headers of kernel 2.6.28) with my @ubuntu.com alias and therefore it's waiting for moderation
[12:00] <amitk> tseliot: I don't have moderator access of the list. You might have to wait for BenC or rtg.
[12:01] <tseliot> amitk: ah, ok, thanks
[12:14] <snowblink> hi - can I ask why dapper's latest kernel package appears to be <IP_ADDRESS>, but contains <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:26] <smb_tp> snowblink, where did you find <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:30] <snowblink> smb_tp, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[13:38] <smb_tp> snowblink, This is the version number of the linux-meta package. The upload counter is just incidentally one above the counter of the kernel image itself
[13:40] <snowblink> smb_tp, ah ok. Thanks - it was a little confusing.
[13:41] <smb_tp> Yes, normally this number is much smaller than that of the kernel itself, but for some odd reason it jumped to this area some time ago. Now both are quite close which is a bit confusing
[15:09] <tseliot> rtg, amitk: is what I reported in the mailing list a known problem?
[15:10] <rtg> tseliot: I'm just looking at it. I think its likely a packaging problem.
[15:11] <tseliot> rtg: ok, that would be good news
[15:12] <_ruben> from what i've seen the asm/ dir got butchered in .28 (or .27 already perhaps) .. seen its implications in various out of tree modules
[15:12] <_ruben> which isnt an ubuntu specific thing, but upstream change
[15:13] <tseliot> _ruben: if this is true then other files should not include headers from asm
[15:14] <_ruben> well, its not completely gone, but lots of stuff has been (re)moved (to other places) .. i dont know any details, just an observation :)
[15:14] <tseliot> ah, ok
[15:20] <rtg> tseliot: I think I have to agree with _ruben. it looks like stuff has really moved around.
[15:20] <tseliot> rtg: shall I file a bug report then?
[15:21] <rtg> tseliot: its not really a bug per se, its more of a third party module problem. don't you think?
[15:21] <rtg> I guess you could file a bug against nVidia
[15:22] <tseliot> rtg: but the compilation test only includes this:
[15:22] <tseliot> #include <linux/version.h> #include <linux/utsname.h>
[15:22] <tseliot> and this fails
[15:22] <tseliot> I don't think it's nvidia specific
[15:23] <tseliot> rtg: example: /lib/modules/2.6.28-1-ub-generic/build/include/linux/sched.h:48:36: error: asm/param.h: No such file or directory
[15:23] <rtg> tseliot: hmm, that does seem straightforward. I wonder if BenC knows 'cause I haven't followed the .28 development cycle very closely.
[15:24] <tseliot> ok
[15:26] <BenC> tseliot: are you sure you are using standard build procedures?
[15:27] <BenC> tseliot: are there broken symlinks in there?
[15:30] <tseliot> BenC: I'm using Nvidia's makefile as usual. Nvidia's conftest.sh tries to build the test file with cc -D__KERNEL__ -DKBUILD_BASENAME="#conftest12386" -DKBUILD_MODNAME="#conftest12386" -nostdinc -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/include -I/lib/modules/2.6.28-1-ub-generic/build/include/asm/mach-default  -I/lib/modules/2.6.28-1-ub-generic/build/include -o conftest12386 conftest12386.c
[15:30] <BenC> tseliot: looks like an nvidia bug
[15:31] <BenC> tseliot: it's missing -I/.../arch/x86/include
[15:31] <BenC> tseliot: note, fglrx built fine with latest header packages...I didn't test nvidia
[15:32] <tseliot> BenC: ok, let me try again
[15:46] <rtg> BenC: apw and I were wondering why the build number isn't exposed in /proc/version ?
[15:47] <rtg> if it were, then we could drop /proc/version_signature
[15:49] <apw> i presume its not in the main version number to maintain the location of the modules through a complete abi cycle
[15:55] <tseliot> BenC: I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m7302cc4b
[16:15] <tseliot> BenC: nevermind, I had to add .../arch/x86/include/asm/mach-default too
[16:15] <tseliot> I'll report the problem to NVIDIA
[16:15] <tseliot> thanks for your time
[16:35] <lamont> how do I get a cli kvm host to keep running when the window is iconified or on a diff workspace???
[16:37] <rtg> soren: ^^^
[16:43] <cjb> Hi, something between intrepid 2.6.27-2 (which works fine) and 2.6.27-7 gives me two-second lag on my ssh connections on an otherwise fast (500KB/sec) cable line.  Anyone know anything about that?
[16:43] <cjb> HTTP seems unaffected.  It's quite odd.
[16:44] <rtg> cjb: 'GSSAPIAuthentication no' ?
[16:45] <cjb>  /etc/ssh/ssh_config says GSSAPIAuthentication yes
[16:45] <rtg> cjb: try setting it in ~/.ssh/config
[16:45] <cjb> So I guess not.  Does that have some recently-regressed kernel interaction, then?
[16:46] <rtg> cjb: not to my knowledge
[16:46] <cjb> oh, ok.
[17:36] <rtg> apw: I noticed actual activity in Linus' repo this morning, so he must be back from scuba diving.
[17:37] <apw> rtg wondered why he was so quiet, having a holiday, outrageous
[17:54] <lamont> damn fiordland
[18:26] <laga> lamont: he was in maui apparently


 Latest Lunar ISO fails to install see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calamares/+bug/2008685
[08:30] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008685 in calamares (Ubuntu) "Installation failed: Boost python error in job'automirror'" [Undecided, New]
[08:34] <arraybolt3> I saw some lsb_release related stuff happening elsewhere that had broken and then unbroken debootstrap. So this might just be transient.
[08:34] <arraybolt3> I'm going to bed, but I should be able to look into it further tomorrow.
[08:34] <guiverc> thanks @Leokolb
[11:40] <tsimonq2> Agreed that it's probably transient, could certainly need swapping with lsb-release-minimal
[14:56] <tsimonq2> guiverc, Leopold https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-networkmanager-yaml-settings/32420/5
[15:03] <tsimonq2> Anyone want to take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging/+packagebugs and making sure it's up to date?
 A quick glance shows some of those should be dropped. It seems logical there are some that need to be added too.
[16:41] <arraybolt3> To-do item "* Migrate everything else other than the Git repos from Phab to Gitea" I think I'm going to try and tackle the Wiki today. We're almost ready to discard Phab and this will be a major step toward that.
[16:43] <arraybolt3> The question is, to automate or not to automate. I guess it will depend on whether or not Phab's Wiki syntax is compatible with Markdown (I think it is?).
[16:44] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: One hurdle I'm thinking of with the Wiki is that I *think* we'll lose all access control - anyone with access to the Wiki repo has access to all of it. I think we can probably live with that though.
[16:56] <arraybolt3> OK so the Wiki format is **not** compatible. And writing a converter is probably going to be more work than just manually moving everything one page at a time.
[16:56] <arraybolt3> So I'll move things one page at a time.
[16:58] <arraybolt3> teward: (or to whoever else has access): Mind adding me to the Documentation Team on Phabricator? I can't view the source of individual Wiki documents without being able to "edit" them and having access to that source is very valuable for Wiki migration. Otherwise I have to recreate all the formatting from scratch >_<
 I do think we need to be careful with the security of some pages. So, off the cuff I am not sure what the best approach is.
 I can add you to the doc team though.
[17:01] <arraybolt3> Hmm. I guess it would probably be better to start with only the public pages. Chrome's Incognito mode can help me with that.
[17:02] <arraybolt3> I know Gitea has a Wiki mechanism which I'm using, not sure how its access control works though.
 The Gitea wiki is per repo I think so it is a little strange for our usecase.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> I just have a repo named "lubuntu-wiki-experimental" that I'm using for experimenting with it.
[17:03] <arraybolt3> So we just have one repo that acts as the system-wide Wiki.
[17:04] <arraybolt3> (That's what I thought was the plan before anyway.)
[17:04] <arraybolt3> I figure I can test things out there and then if we like how its shaping up (or how it ended up looking once finished), we can rename the repo.
 That might work, we could further segment that for the various teams so we can manage access  that way.
[17:07] <arraybolt3> That seems like a good idea.
[17:07]  * arraybolt3 wonders if Gitea can make private repos
[17:08] <arraybolt3> Yep, it can.
 Hmm, maybe I can't add you to the Documentation Team.
 I'm missing that lever I guess.
 I added you to the wiki team though.
[17:11] <arraybolt3> Hmm, the "Edit Document" button is still greyed out, but thanks for trying!
 I could add Aaron to the doc team on phab.. (re @kc2bez: Hmm, maybe I can't add you to the Documentation Team.)
[17:46] <arraybolt3> @Leokolb: Thank you!
[18:10] <teward> just saw leo handled that :)
[18:10] <teward> *goes back to his FT job*
 Thanks @Leokolb
[23:15] <arraybolt3> OK one major hurdle I'm realizing with the Wiki is that Gitea doesn't support nested Wiki pages.
[23:16] <arraybolt3> Or at least it doesn't appear to.
[23:17] <arraybolt3> Hmm.
[23:18] <arraybolt3> Perhaps we need a dedicated Wiki system. We're intending on setting up a task system anyway (some alternative to Trello?) which is something Phab used to do, so maybe we need to splinter Phab into Gitea, Taiga or whatever we're using for task tracking, and a Wiki system.
[23:18] <arraybolt3> What else does Phab do...
[23:19] <arraybolt3> At least looking at the home page, that looks like it.
[23:20] <arraybolt3> I might experiment with some in my LXD container and see what I can get going.
[23:21] <arraybolt3> DokuWiki looks too old-school IMO.
[23:22] <arraybolt3> MediaWiki might be overkill. And MoinMoin is already known to be a mess.
[23:29] <kc2bez[m]> WkiJS looks nice but I am not sure how nice it is to work with. MediaWiki isn't terrible I have used that before.
[23:29] <arraybolt3> So far I'm looking for something that supports Markdown and access control lists. MediaWiki's syntax is crazy from what I've seen, but other things don't seem to support good ACLs that I can tell.
[23:30] <arraybolt3> (I don't know if MediaWiki supports ACLs, actually, I got things confused. DokuWiki supports ACLs, not sure what else does.)
[23:31] <arraybolt3> Wiki.js looks hopeful.
[23:31] <arraybolt3> Tar, they want me to use Docker. I'm kinda scared of breaking my container :P
[23:33] <kc2bez[m]> If it is LXD you will need security nesting
[23:33] <arraybolt3> Yeah. Maybe I should try to set it up locally and then mess with it in the cloud later.
[23:34]  * arraybolt3 is not even close to a sysadmin and is rapidly feeling very out of my league
[23:46] <arraybolt3> OK, I'll be unavailable for the next hour or somewhere around there, maybe longer. Doing an OS reinstall on my primary laptop.
[23:47] <arraybolt3> Be back hopefully soon!
[23:47] <arraybolt3> Currently in the process of flashing the ISO to a drive.