 Appreciating every bit of it
[17:17] <magespawn> That's for sure, still 30 deg
[17:18] <nuvolari> joh
[17:18] <nlsthzn> Freaking freezing over here... must be about 15degC outside
[17:18]  * nuvolari begs nlsthzn for some of that coolant
[17:18] <kbmonkey> Driving through the Karoo today was like being inside an incinerator
[17:19] <nlsthzn> If I could bottle this weather I would... the summer approaches :(
[17:20] <kbmonkey> sjoe that is chilly nlsthzn
[17:20] <nlsthzn> For this place it is ... brrrrrrr
[17:21] <kbmonkey> preflight check, suggestions for any more agenda items welcome -- http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/331/detail/
[17:23] <nuvolari> ooh, girl geek dinner... mebbe I should go visit in CT, find my a nice lass over there
[17:23] <magespawn> There will be about 85
[17:24] <nuvolari> geek lass??? wow
[17:24] <nlsthzn> Nice... sounds more that I would have expected...
[17:24] <kbmonkey> yeah wear your stockings and heels and get a free coffee nuvolari ;p
[17:25] <magespawn> ;)
[17:25] <nuvolari> hmm, I need a wig
[17:26] <kbmonkey> is Greg here for that agenda item?
[17:26] <magespawn> That would be me
[17:26] <kbmonkey> ah okay magespawn!
[17:28] <nuvolari> lo bytjie
[17:28] <maiatoday> hey nuvolari
[17:28] <kbmonkey> hello maia!
[17:28] <maiatoday> hi kbmonkey
[17:29] <nlsthzn> o/ maiatoday
[17:29] <maiatoday> hi nlsthzn
[17:29] <nuvolari> it seems busy tonight!
[17:29] <maiatoday> kbmonkey: are you chairing?
[17:29] <kbmonkey> indeed maiatoday
[17:30] <maiatoday> yay for kbmonkey
[17:30] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey maiatoday
[17:30] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[17:30] <kbmonkey> bad ping times, stable enough :)
[17:30] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[17:30] <maiatoday> don't worry, irc doesn't take a lot of bandwith
[17:30] <kbmonkey> we'll start in a couple minutes
[17:30] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I bet it's better than morsecode
[17:30]  * nuvolari craves coffee
[17:31] <kbmonkey> Kilos, driving through the karoo today, I was so tempted to pull over and jump on and ride and ostrich! ha ha
[17:31] <nuvolari> we're out of beans at work :'(
[17:31] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:31] <Kilos> you will fall your butt off
[17:31] <kbmonkey> nuvolari that is purple alert. A red letter day if any
[17:32] <nuvolari> Kilos: did you ever ride an ostrich?
[17:32] <Kilos> eish the fly isnt here
[17:32] <Kilos> no man they are for eating not riding
[17:33] <Kilos> i used to have 6 horses though
[17:33] <nuvolari> oh yum. volstruis steak is great
[17:33] <Kilos> kbmonkey, have you got the bot set up?
[17:33] <kbmonkey> on that note, let's call in Maaz
[17:34]  * nuvolari slowclaps for maaz
[17:34] <nlsthzn> *wolf whistle*
[17:34] <Kilos> Maaz, hello
[17:34] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[17:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz start meeting about Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[17:34]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:34] <nuvolari> yo Maaz!
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: I'm pikachu
[17:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[17:35] <Kilos> hehe
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz I am Wesley Werner
[17:35] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[17:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:35] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[17:35] <Maaz> maiatoday: Righto
[17:35] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:35] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Alrighty
[17:35] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[17:35] <magespawn> Mass I am Greg Eames
[17:36] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:36] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Oh happy new years #ubuntu-za just by the by :-)
[17:36] <Kilos> bakuman, you here?
[17:36] <kbmonkey> yes a bit late, but why not.
[17:37]  * nlsthzn also wishes all the best for 2012 :)
[17:37] <Kilos> same there kbmonkey
[17:37] <nuvolari> likewise to everyone
[17:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Precise release party suggestions
[17:38] <Maaz> Current Topic: Precise release party suggestions
[17:38] <maiatoday> yeah what does everyone want to do?
[17:38] <maiatoday> It's a LTS so a little bit of fanfare would be cool
[17:38] <kbmonkey> lots of tequila and install discs?
[17:39] <magespawn> When is the release?
[17:39] <maiatoday> in APril but I wanted to get some ideas so long
[17:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[17:39] <nlsthzn> With the momentum Canonical is creating with their TV and what not coming I think 12.04 is a very big release and should be done right
[17:40] <Whizper2me> Hola
[17:40] <Kilos> hi Whizper2me
[17:40] <Kilos> welcome
[17:40]  * nuvolari whispers to Whizper2me
[17:40] <nuvolari> lo
[17:41] <Whizper2me> confluency, highvoltage , kbmonkey *tips hat*
[17:41] <kbmonkey> to be honest, I haven't been following this release as closely. Keen to support a release party though
[17:41] <Whizper2me> all the others I don't know, hallo :)
[17:41] <nlsthzn> hi Whizper2me
[17:41] <maiatoday> I know the parties are for different areas but we can start thinking about what we want to do
[17:41] <maiatoday> hi Whizper2me
[17:41] <kbmonkey> hi Whizper2me. would you like to join our irc meeting?
[17:42] <magespawn> Maybe something bigger than normal. Like they do for SFD.
[17:42] <maiatoday> I'll also make a reminder to myself to remember to order the disks this time. sorry about the previous release we missed the disks :(
[17:42] <Whizper2me> @kbmonkey the cats think your poi are toys
[17:42] <maiatoday> also there were some ideas at the previous release party in cape town to have some activities to help beginners
[17:43] <Whizper2me> Thanks for the invitation kbmonkey :)
[17:43] <nlsthzn> Where are the release parties normally held, uni's?
[17:43] <maiatoday> demos or q&a or basic talks
[17:43] <kbmonkey> lol Whizper2me :)
[17:43] <maiatoday> unis or anywhere really, I've had 2 at my house before
[17:43] <Kilos> Whizper2me, log in with maaz
[17:43] <kbmonkey> nuvolari I'll be around that side in April, we can coordinate something?
[17:43] <maiatoday> last time we were at panarottis in canal walk
[17:44] <Mezenir> i like panarottis
[17:44] <Mezenir> when the service is good
[17:44] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: sure! I still have to organize something for here in Ballito
[17:44] <Kilos> hi POpsr welcome to #ubuntu-za
[17:44] <nlsthzn> would be nice to have it someplace with maximum exposure (but then having enough stuff to satisfy the curious)
[17:44] <Mezenir> eat all you can thursday ftw
[17:44] <nuvolari> are you keen on coming here?
[17:44] <POpsr> Hi
[17:44] <kbmonkey> I'm thinking a banner, someplace for exposure like a restaurant
[17:44] <maiatoday> I wouldn't suggest panarottis for a release party again becuase the tables of 6 or 8 people made the group not mingle properly
[17:44] <Mezenir> maximum exposure like grandwest ?
[17:45] <nlsthzn> Not sure if you guys have seen some of Randall Ross's blog posts for Vancouver, they know how to party :)
[17:45] <kbmonkey> sure nuvolari!
[17:45] <kbmonkey> need to check that out nlsthzn
[17:46] <magespawn> Maybe a local pc shop or internet cafe
[17:46] <nlsthzn> They take over a whole restaurant... and with a projector beam one of those smart phone barcode thingies outside so if people scan they go to a special web site for the event that invite them in etc. :)
[17:47] <magespawn> Qrcode
[17:47] <magespawn> Sounds good
[17:47] <nlsthzn> Interestingly enough... no PC's allowed.
[17:47] <nlsthzn> my 2c worth in any case :)
[17:48] <Whizper2me> Maaz I am Christel
[17:48] <Maaz> Whizper2me: Righto
[17:48] <maiatoday> it all sounds good, anybody who wants to jump in and organise, go for it, you don't need an invite or permission ;)
[17:48] <kbmonkey> a release party without pc's? that can be dangerous
[17:48] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:48] <Maaz> inetpro: Done
[17:48]  * inetpro is late again
[17:49] <nlsthzn> Ah, it is thanks to inetpro that I made it tonight :)
[17:49] <Kilos> welcome inetpro better late than never
[17:49] <kbmonkey> sure, I will bug nuvolari with a kzn party ;)
[17:49] <maiatoday> minimum we need is a venue and a time and an external disk with repos
[17:49] <maiatoday> it could be a blanket at the beach
[17:49] <magespawn> kbmonkey I would like to come done for that if I can
[17:50] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea Wesley and Johan to discuss kzn release party
[17:50] <Maaz> Idea recorded: Wesley and Johan to discuss kzn release party
[17:50] <kbmonkey> cool magespawn
[17:50] <nuvolari> Maaz: will you be OK with Ballito?
[17:50] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[17:50] <nuvolari> ag
[17:50] <nuvolari> magespawn: will you be OK with Ballito?
[17:50] <magespawn> Should be okay
[17:50] <maiatoday> ok I'll send an email on the mailing list to poll people for ideas too
[17:50] <nuvolari> cool
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <magespawn> Lol
[17:51] <inetpro> can we have a demo of the Ubuntu TV at the release party?
[17:51] <kbmonkey> Ubuntu TV?
[17:51] <maiatoday> that sounds good inetpro
[17:51] <nlsthzn> + 1
[17:51] <maiatoday> Maaz action maiatoday will start discussion about release party ideas on the mailing list
[17:51] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sorry...
[17:51] <nlsthzn> www.ubuntu.com/tv
[17:51] <maiatoday> bleargh
[17:51] <kbmonkey> revisiting a previous idea we had...
[17:52] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea bring a newbie friend to the next release party
[17:52] <Maaz> Idea recorded: bring a newbie friend to the next release party
[17:52] <maiatoday> kbmonkey: tell maaz my action please, I forgot the syntax
[17:52] <kbmonkey> sure :)
[17:52] <nuvolari> is ubuntutv like a mediacentre?
[17:53] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea maiatoday will start discussion about release party ideas on the mailing list
[17:53] <Maaz> Idea recorded: maiatoday will start discussion about release party ideas on the mailing list
[17:53] <maiatoday> connecting to bring a newbie is have something that would interest a newbie
[17:53] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, they plan on making it a TV that will play all your content... running with Unity interface (no more boxes needed)
[17:54] <kbmonkey> JabberwockyA19 are you in?
[17:54] <kbmonkey> last time you had a great idea to show off some games at parties
[17:54] <magespawn> Like lg/smasung smart tv?
[17:55] <nuvolari> just saw the video. very appealing
[17:55] <maiatoday> hey kbmonkey I just wanted to get the discussion going about this topic, it's ok if we probably won't resolve too much now
[17:55] <Mezenir> games ?
[17:55] <Mezenir> what kind of games
[17:55] <magespawn> Maybe have a lan of open arena or the like?
[17:55] <nuvolari> I don't watch TV though, but if it can handle series, im game :P
[17:55] <nuvolari> minecraft :D
[17:56] <nlsthzn> Get a few people to play Oil Rush... it is pretty
[17:56] <nlsthzn> or minecraft, it is addictive
[17:56] <nuvolari> or counterstrike :P
[17:56] <maiatoday> and all those beautiful humble indie bundle games
[17:56] <kbmonkey> most of us can't enjoy high bandwidth luxuries like online tv :/
[17:57] <kbmonkey> love that idea maiatoday !
[17:57] <maiatoday> maaz idea have a games showcase at the release party
[17:57] <Maaz> Idea recorded: have a games showcase at the release party
[17:57] <maiatoday> maaz idea make the theme for the release party games and newbies
[17:57] <Maaz> Idea recorded: make the theme for the release party games and newbies
[17:57] <kbmonkey> I bet we can make a nice poster with game screenshots too. people love pictures.
[17:58] <nlsthzn> Oh and Unity :p
[17:59] <kbmonkey> okay should we work the details on the ML then?
[17:59] <maiatoday> yup
[17:59] <kbmonkey> wow, so many ideas in advance. I like this :)
[18:00] <kbmonkey> oh, the agenda got shuffled, we skipped the minutes review
[18:01] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Linux Certification
[18:01] <Maaz> Current Topic: Linux Certification
[18:01] <kbmonkey> ping? still online?...
[18:02] <Kilos> yqa
[18:02] <Kilos> ya too
[18:02] <nlsthzn> Just another link to explain Ubuntu TV - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q-pTFEHLC4 check it out later ;)
[18:02] <maiatoday> I just checked the previous meeting and there isn't much to review
[18:02] <kbmonkey> Revisiting our studies, who wants in?
[18:02]  * nlsthzn can't re-visit ... he still has to visit :p
[18:02] <kbmonkey> thanks maiatoday!
[18:02] <magespawn> I do would like to be certified
[18:02] <nlsthzn> But I am still keen
[18:03] <kbmonkey> okay then so be it nlsthzn
[18:03] <Kilos> i will study with you
[18:03] <nlsthzn> How do you plan on doing this kbmonkey ?
[18:03] <kbmonkey> realistically I envisioned this study group would carry on autonomously,
[18:04] <maiatoday> is anybody actively in the process of becoming a LPIC
[18:04] <kbmonkey> I want to restart this in the next 2-4 weeks nlsthzn
[18:04]  * nlsthzn is toying with the idea... but as it has no bearing on my work it become harder to motivate the effort and time
[18:05] <nlsthzn> I want to go for it to be more proficiant at Linux and be able to help myself more than anything else
[18:05] <magespawn> No not yet
[18:05] <maiatoday> because if you had someone who is on a mission to become certified to drive it it may help
[18:05] <Mezenir> can it really teach you anything you cant teach yourself ?
[18:05] <kbmonkey> yes
[18:06] <nlsthzn> and in a shorter time frame (plus you get feedback if you really know what it what)
[18:06] <kbmonkey> the lpic is pretty much self study Mezenir. you do get classes based on it, but yes you can teach yourself
[18:06] <magespawn> Structured learning makes more sense generally
[18:07] <maiatoday> also deadlines do wonders ...
[18:07] <maiatoday> nothing like an exam to make you cram for 2 days
[18:07] <kbmonkey> basically it is a glorified collection of linux knowledge guaranteed to make one competent
[18:07] <nlsthzn> maiatoday, +1
[18:07] <kbmonkey> ++
[18:07]  * nlsthzn sees a dead line is needed >.<
[18:07] <kbmonkey> okay I will mail the list into kickstart again
[18:08] <kbmonkey> maaz agreed Wesley to kickstart the LPIC studies
[18:08] <maiatoday> or maybe challenge each other to checkout an area and present to the others in irc
[18:08] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what happened to those that already joined you two
[18:08] <Kilos> 20 i think you said
[18:08]  * nlsthzn will re-energize some peeps on this side of the world to see who is in :)
[18:08] <Maaz> Agreed: Wesley to kickstart the LPIC studies
[18:08] <kbmonkey> nlsthzn indeed, a deadline is needed
[18:09] <Whizper2me> poke
[18:09] <Whizper2me> apologies that was going to be : poke Teepog about the LPIC Wesley, he has indicated some interest before
[18:10] <Kilos> kbmonkey, is the manual still the same
[18:10] <kbmonkey> yes it is Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[18:10] <Kilos> ok ian wants to join as well
[18:10] <kbmonkey> we can work out a flexible deadline, with everyone's schedules, we can perhaps setup recurring deadlines for the work
[18:11] <maiatoday> so here's a suggestion, pick a day of the week and let someone commit to preparing to present a section to the others
[18:11] <maiatoday> the others must prepare so they can ask questions.
[18:11] <kbmonkey> that way, newcomers can still meet deadlines, and the rest can revisit old stuff to stay fresh
[18:11] <maiatoday> then the baton is passed on to the next person
[18:11] <nlsthzn> Clever idea
[18:11] <maiatoday> that way everyone gets to prepare a section thoroughly
[18:11] <magespawn> +1
[18:11] <inetpro> sounds interesting
[18:12] <maiatoday> and you have free "lectures"
[18:12] <kbmonkey> well maiatoday the material is layed out, so I thought everyone works through it themselves. then we meet on irc to ask, discuss and poke another about it
[18:12] <kbmonkey> oh I like that a lot too maiatoday !
[18:12] <maiatoday> yeah I know the material is layed out but you run the risk of flippin through it and saying yeah I know that, and that
[18:12] <nlsthzn> Left to my own devices I would be better of going back to DOS
[18:12] <maiatoday> whereas if you have to sortof lecture it you really have to know it
[18:13] <nlsthzn> When you learn with the aim to teach you learn more / quicker
[18:13] <inetpro> maiatoday: where dowe get the learning material? Are there costs involved?
[18:13] <kbmonkey> just so I understand maiatoday, you say someone presents a section, like in a classroom?
[18:13] <maiatoday> and it will give structure and a deadline for one person at least and the others can hear/read an explanation instead of reading a manual
[18:13] <maiatoday> yeah kbmonkey
[18:14] <nlsthzn> inetpro, there is a free study guide...
[18:14] <kbmonkey> inetpro the book is free, a pdf online. I will email the links through on the list
[18:14] <Kilos> inetpro, http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/lpi-study-manual
[18:14] <inetpro> ahh, thanks Kilos
[18:14] <Kilos> yw
[18:14] <Kilos> lo ZereF log in to our meet
[18:14] <magespawn> I could draw up a schedule if ppl will commit to the program
[18:14] <kbmonkey> Kilos for the win
[18:15] <kbmonkey> inetpro the material suggests CentOS, however is generic enough to apply to most distros
[18:15] <Mezenir> nice of them to provide free material
[18:15] <kbmonkey> If you can magespawn, thanks!
[18:15] <nlsthzn> they do cover RPM and debs and everything in between
[18:16] <kbmonkey> what period between classes would you say? a week? every 2 weeks?
[18:16] <nlsthzn> will depend on the size, complexity
[18:16] <magespawn> How big is the manual?
[18:17] <inetpro> maiatoday: 4.2MB as far as I can see
[18:17] <kbmonkey> let me check..
[18:17] <inetpro> oops... magespawn
[18:17] <maiatoday> make it a regular meeting even if you can't cover a whole section in a meeting, so that you get into the habit of keeping going
[18:17] <magespawn> No I meant chapters etc?
[18:18] <nlsthzn> I think it is best for the interested to get the manual and then we plan?
[18:18] <Kilos> quite big magespawn
[18:18] <Kilos> lots of info from bios on
[18:18] <nlsthzn> The chapters only scratch the surface... need more info then it gives often
[18:18] <kbmonkey> I don't have the book with me, but magespawn see inside it, they even show a chart of how many 'points' each section is valued, and how much time is suggested
[18:19]  * inetpro just downloaded it
[18:19] <inetpro> 329 pages
[18:19] <magespawn> I'll have a look at the manual and get an educator friend of mine to draw up class material and such
[18:19] <kbmonkey> magespawn can we then chat about some schedule via mail then
[18:19] <magespawn> For sure
[18:20] <kbmonkey> awesome :)
[18:20] <kbmonkey> Maaz agreed magespawn to help setup a LPIC Q&A IRC schdule
[18:20] <Maaz> Agreed: magespawn to help setup a LPIC Q&A IRC schdule
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I propose we skip the beginning sections on BIOS and legacy hardware
[18:21] <inetpro> just keep me us updated on here as well... I tend to ignore emails
[18:21] <kbmonkey> it may be required, but daunting for newbies. get them stuck and interested in the juice bits, then revisit the technicals.
[18:21] <kbmonkey> sure inetpro
[18:21] <magespawn> Will do maybe set up a page or something.
[18:22] <kbmonkey> to that end, I'd risk saying I want to catch up with IRC meets and try for more a month :/
[18:22] <Kilos> yay kbmonkey about time
[18:22] <Kilos> been lonely here
[18:22] <kbmonkey> right, I'm glad to still see interest!
[18:22]  * kbmonkey big smiles
[18:23]  * Kilos missed the weenie
[18:23] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you mean like more than one meeting a month?
[18:23] <kbmonkey> yes inetpro, irc meets.
[18:23] <Kilos> lpi meets should be one a week
[18:23] <kbmonkey> the lpi meets still need to be scheduled out
[18:24] <inetpro> hmm... I guess we should try it
[18:24] <kbmonkey> or like mini-meets. like hi/bye action grenade meets
[18:24]  * inetpro will definitely not be able to attend them all
[18:25] <Kilos> inetpro, you can read logs
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I like the idea
[18:25] <kbmonkey> not required to attend all, just to make regular attempts is the idea :)
[18:25] <Kilos> most of the course you will understand anyway
[18:26] <kbmonkey> magespawn fyi we could try use the ubuntu-za wiki for our schedule
[18:26] <kbmonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/
[18:26] <magespawn> yup
[18:26] <Kilos> lo WOLFEYES
[18:26] <WOLFEYES> Heya all...
[18:27] <nlsthzn> lo WOLFEYES
[18:27] <Kilos> tell maaz who you are
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz minutes so far
[18:27] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.html
[18:27] <WOLFEYES> maaz I am WOLFEYES
[18:27] <Maaz> WOLFEYES: Alrighty
[18:27] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:27] <WOLFEYES> :-)
[18:27] <kbmonkey> not what I wanted Maaz, but thanks he he
[18:27] <Kilos> grr no fool
[18:28] <maiatoday> kbmonkey do you think we need to check previous minutes?
[18:28] <kbmonkey> collating this topic ideas in my head..
[18:28] <maiatoday> we sortof covered everything in there already
[18:28] <kbmonkey> maiatoday I did and apart from previous release party feedback it seems all covered here in some form
[18:29] <kbmonkey> snap
[18:29] <maiatoday> I agree, just the ubuntu hour but that's no biggie
[18:29] <kbmonkey> okay next...
[18:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Wiki updates
[18:29] <Maaz> Current Topic: Wiki updates
[18:30] <maiatoday> hmm we haven't done any inages
[18:30] <maiatoday> in ages
[18:30] <kbmonkey> Unsure what this one entails, magespawn you know?
[18:30] <maiatoday> we should do a monthly report on the wiki
[18:30] <kbmonkey> what updates?
[18:30] <maiatoday> the monthly reports are due the first sunday of the month
[18:31] <kbmonkey> oooh
[18:31] <maiatoday> I am assuming that's what magespawn meant with the agenda item
[18:31] <magespawn> maiatoday asked me to help with that but did not see anything to add. Unsure of what to add.
[18:31] <maiatoday> we need to list what we do each month on a wiki page
[18:31] <inetpro> magespawn: I guess we can get more organised again
[18:31] <maiatoday> but if we don't do anything there is nothing to say :(
[18:32] <kbmonkey> there was a report in October
[18:32] <maiatoday> so for this month we have an irc meeting at least
[18:32] <magespawn> Maybe ppl could mail the list or me directly with things to be included
[18:32] <maiatoday> ok that sounds good
[18:32] <kbmonkey> there must be an easier way to post/remember team reports
[18:32] <inetpro> like updating meeting pages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings
[18:33] <maiatoday> if I remember I usually ask on the list for events but I think the list mails aren't read that regularly
[18:33] <inetpro> see sub-pages at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam
[18:33] <magespawn> I will also ask for things on the list to jog ppls memory
[18:33] <kbmonkey> there's a report for December for a meeting.
[18:34] <maiatoday> everyone can add on the wiki so really when something happens we could add to the list
[18:34] <maiatoday> then magespawn can just check if it's all there round deadline time
[18:34] <Kilos> can we make an appeal to list members to visit here as well?
[18:35] <Kilos> there are many good brains there that dont come here
[18:35] <maiatoday> dunno Kilos people either go on irc or not, and we always invite people on the list to come to irc for the meeting
[18:35] <kbmonkey> so January Team Report is due first Sunday of Feb.
[18:35] <Kilos> ah ty maiatoday
[18:35] <maiatoday> yeah
[18:35] <inetpro> if we keep going and stay organised people will come automatically
[18:35] <magespawn> Maybe change the topic regularly for the meetings on orc
[18:36] <kbmonkey> True Kilos. I try suggest the web chat to make it easier. maybe they are shy?
[18:36] <maiatoday> I hope to have more time this year for ubuntu too
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly, welcome
[18:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic
[18:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[18:36] <WOLFEYES> heya superfly :-)
[18:37] <maiatoday> is there an action for this topic
[18:37] <maiatoday> do you have a clearer idea now magespawn?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> not yet
[18:38] <magespawn> Yup
[18:38] <kbmonkey> the report is due the first Sun of Feb, maia?
[18:38] <maiatoday> kbmonkey: yes
[18:38] <kbmonkey> trying to see the Dec report... taking a while..
[18:38] <inetpro> maiatoday: I'd say everyone should try to make renewed attempts to document stuff on the wiki
[18:38] <superfly> hi Kilos, WOLFEYES, et al
[18:38] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:38] <Maaz> superfly: Alrighty
[18:38] <inetpro> superfly: wb
[18:39] <nlsthzn> hi superfly
[18:39] <superfly> inetpro: thanks, work meeting till just after 7pm
[18:39] <superfly> hey nlsthzn
[18:39] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[18:39] <kbmonkey> okay, so then we follow through with our plans, and we email activities for the report
[18:39] <superfly> naandsê maiatoday :-)
[18:39] <kbmonkey> hi superfly !
[18:39] <superfly> yo kbmonkey
[18:40] <Kilos> magespawn, wb
[18:40] <inetpro> anyone who doesn't know how to drive the wiki is welcome to ask around and we'll help out as far as possible
[18:40] <maiatoday> magespawn: you didn't miss anything :)
[18:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea everyone: document the ubuntu-za wiki.
[18:40] <Maaz> Idea recorded: everyone: document the ubuntu-za wiki
[18:40] <maiatoday> only one agenda item to go woohoo
[18:41] <kbmonkey> before the last, any more ideas for wiki updates to action?
[18:41] <magespawn> Back again
[18:41] <superfly> erm, anyone have a link to the previous minutes?
[18:41] <maiatoday> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-10-24-17-37-27.html
[18:42] <maiatoday> and todays agenda http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/331/detail/
[18:42] <superfly> maiatoday: uh, no, here they are: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20111219
[18:42] <maiatoday> urk you're right time machine glitch
[18:43]  * superfly remembers cause it was only himself, tumbleweed and Kilos at that meeting :-)
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <maiatoday> thanks for holding the pre-xmas fort Kilos and superfly
[18:45] <kbmonkey> now for the geek girls :)
[18:45] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Girl Geek Dinners
[18:45] <Maaz> Current Topic: Girl Geek Dinners
[18:45] <Kilos> yw maiatoday
[18:45] <WOLFEYES> lol
[18:46]  * maiatoday went to a geek girl dinner in ct once
[18:46] <superfly> kbmonkey: may I add something to the agenda? I know it's late, but I haven't had an opportunity till now :-(
[18:46] <kbmonkey> so tell us more about the Girl Geek Dinner idea...
[18:47] <magespawn> I'll put all the details on the list but they are looking for sponsor for prizes and goody bages
[18:47] <maiatoday> http://ggdcpt.wordpress.com/
[18:47] <magespawn> Girls only dinner with a strpng geek flavour
[18:47] <maiatoday> no it isn't girls only
[18:47] <kbmonkey> np superfly
[18:47] <magespawn> Thats the one
[18:48] <superfly> kbmonkey: CT Ubuntu Hour
[18:48] <maiatoday> there were some guys at the one I went to
[18:48] <magespawn> Thought it was anyway my shop is going to sponsor flash drives for the bags filled with Foss
[18:48] <maiatoday> the geek flavour wasn't that strong either it seemed but maybe it has changed since
[18:49] <maiatoday> ah that's better, last time we got marmelade
[18:49] <magespawn> Was looking for ideas of what to included
[18:49] <maiatoday> for a flash drive of FOSS I'd consider going again :)
[18:50] <WOLFEYES> lol
[18:50] <nlsthzn> Any android device would be appreciated I am sure
[18:50] <Whizper2me> haha
[18:50] <magespawn> Not that rich
[18:50] <nlsthzn> ;)
[18:51] <nlsthzn> Guys and girls... it is way past my bed time (besides I haven't slept in 30 hours...) Good night :)
[18:51] <kbmonkey> a FOSS flash freebie!
[18:51] <Kilos> night nlsthzn
[18:51] <inetpro> todays minutes can go here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20120116
[18:51] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:52] <inetpro> nlsthzn: good night
[18:52] <kbmonkey> thanks for coming nlsthzn
[18:52] <superfly> maiatoday, magespawn: anything else you wanna say about the GGD?
[18:52] <magespawn> Something like that yup also trials of other software and mags etc
[18:52] <kbmonkey> okay any actions to add for this topic to wrap up?
[18:53] <maiatoday> nope nothing else
[18:53] <magespawn> Only that they are on the 26 th of every second month
[18:53] <kbmonkey> noted :)
[18:53] <magespawn> Jan march etc
[18:54] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea GGD on the 26th of every second month (Jan.. Mar..)
[18:54] <Maaz> Idea recorded: GGD on the 26th of every second month (Jan.. Mar..)
[18:54] <kbmonkey> a 'note' for maaz would be handy
[18:55] <kbmonkey> okay I'm going to call it, bed time for some of you hey?
[18:55] <kbmonkey> Maaz end meeting
[18:55] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:55] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-17-34-34.html
[18:56] <maiatoday> thanks for chairing kbmonkey
[18:56] <superfly> kbmonkey: what about my Ubuntu hour item?
[18:56] <kbmonkey> We can now work out all details this week :D
[18:56] <maiatoday> oops
[18:56] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey nice to have you and maiatoday  back
[18:56] <kbmonkey> oh superfly I'm sorry! my page is still reloading and never saw it :(
[18:56] <kbmonkey> can I reopen the meeting?
[18:56] <Kilos> maiatoday, howd the exams go?
[18:56] <superfly> well, I didn't add it there, I just mentioned it in here
[18:56] <superfly> figured you'd remember it, since I only mentioned it 8 minutes ago
[18:57] <kbmonkey> okay let us add a meeting addition quickly...
[18:57] <maiatoday> practical exams went ok, no marks yet. busy writing thesis to be handed in 15 march
[18:57] <maiatoday> thanks for asking Kilos
[18:57] <Kilos> good luck with it all girl
[18:57] <maiatoday> ty
[18:57] <inetpro> when is our next meeting?
[18:57]  * Kilos holds thumbs for you
[18:58] <maiatoday> :)
[18:58] <highvoltage> hey Whizper2me
[18:58] <superfly> ohi highvoltage!
[18:58] <inetpro> highvoltage: wb
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz start meeting about Ubuntu-za IRC meeting additions
[18:58]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:58] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Ubuntu Hour
[18:58] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu Hour
[18:59] <kbmonkey> sorry superfly it was a loong day of driving ;)
[18:59] <superfly> Well, Stellies is a bit far for me, and that's where most of the action has been.
[18:59] <kbmonkey> okay for additions only tell maaz your name if you have something to add
[18:59] <superfly> I recently got a netbook, and thought it would be cool to have an Ubuntu hour in Cape Town somewhere, preferably close to public transport, so that folks can access it easily
[19:00] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[19:00] <kbmonkey> Maaz I am Wesley Werner
[19:00] <superfly> probably mid-Feb, on a Saturday
[19:00] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[19:00] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[19:00] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[19:00] <superfly> I'll send out a mail to the list this evening, see if anyone is interested. tumbleweed said he'd likely be able to make it
[19:00] <maiatoday> cool superfly, decide when and I'll try to make it
[19:00] <kbmonkey> any location ideas yet superfly ?
[19:01] <superfly> kbmonkey: No, though I was thinking the Rondebosch area would probably be fairly central
[19:01] <Whizper2me> hola highvoltage  how you keeping?
[19:01] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[19:02] <superfly> but I don't hang around in R'bosch much, so I'll ask the list if they have any ideas of where to meet
[19:02] <superfly> kbmonkey: where are you stationed these days?
[19:02] <Whizper2me> you could poke the observatory town hall
[19:02] <kbmonkey> does obz town hall have internet?
[19:03] <maiatoday> you can do an ubuntu hour without internet
[19:03] <superfly> Whizper2me: we want to rather go to a coffee shop, it's more informal, and a number have some sort of Internet access
[19:03] <superfly> maiatoday: true :-)
[19:03] <kbmonkey> I was in obz for a while superfly but currently on a road trip cross country, not in CT anymore
[19:03] <maiatoday> ubuntu hour without coffee, now that might be tricky :)
[19:03] <superfly> kbmonkey: ah, OK
[19:03] <kbmonkey> yes, and public presence
[19:03] <Whizper2me> mmm coffee shops ....
[19:03] <highvoltage> Whizper2me: good thanks and you?
[19:03] <highvoltage> Whizper2me: do I know you? :)
[19:04] <Whizper2me> a little knackered. it was hot today
[19:04]  * WOLFEYES nodz in agreement
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Maaz agreed superfly to mail the list with ideas for a CT Ubuntu Hour
[19:04] <Maaz> Agreed: superfly to mail the list with ideas for a CT Ubuntu Hour
[19:04] <kbmonkey> cool :)
[19:04] <kbmonkey> thanks for reminding me superfly !
[19:04] <superfly> kbmonkey: excellent, was just about to suggest you do that :-)
[19:04] <Whizper2me> Maaz: I am Christel Breedt
[19:04] <Maaz> Whizper2me: Done
[19:05] <kbmonkey> okay additions complete?
[19:05] <superfly> Nothing more from me
[19:05] <kbmonkey> added agenda item
[19:05] <kbmonkey> Maaz end meeting
[19:05] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:05] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-18-58-42.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-18-58-42.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-01-16-18-58-42.html
[19:05] <inetpro> when is our next meeting?
[19:05] <Whizper2me> encore! encore!
[19:05] <kbmonkey> Excellent! Okay If we missed anything, I propose we meet again, sooner than later
[19:06] <maiatoday> inetpro: 20 feb
[19:06] <inetpro> maiatoday: great, thanks
[19:06] <Whizper2me> forgive me. I'm tired.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> 20 Feb the next monthly meet.
[19:06] <maiatoday> inetpro:  do you use gcal? there is an ubuntu-za calendar
[19:06] <kbmonkey> Maybe an informal meet in a week or two
[19:07] <inetpro> maiatoday: hmm... true, have not checked there
[19:07] <kbmonkey> to follow up on our ideas
[19:08] <magespawn> Put it on the cla
[19:08] <magespawn> Calender and see.who comes
[19:10] <maiatoday> https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3ljpciepcncmjkl2tsoao7290%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Africa/Johannesburg
[19:10] <maiatoday> it's called ubuntu-za and it is shared as far as I can see
[19:11] <maiatoday> okedoke, thanks again all and kbmonkey our adept chair, bye
[19:11] <kbmonkey> Im glad about our agenda:)
[19:11] <inetpro> thanks kbmonkey
[19:11] <magespawn> Was well chaired
[19:12] <magespawn> I also off night all
[19:12]  * Kilos happy. felt like home again
[19:12] <kbmonkey> night magespawn
[19:12] <Kilos> nitght magespawn
[19:12] <kbmonkey> sure did Kilos
[19:12] <Kilos> night too
[19:12] <kbmonkey> I have another 5 hour drive tomorrow, guess its timeout for me
[19:13] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  sleep tight and go safe
[19:13] <kbmonkey> wish I can email you karoo volstruis biltong oom!
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:14] <Kilos> put it in a pipe
[19:14] <kbmonkey> and smoke it..? :p
[19:15] <Kilos> no man one of the linux pipes that moves stuff from place to place
[19:15] <kbmonkey> ha ha!


[00:03] <cjwatson> azeem: I agree with other commenters; I don't think the relatively small benefit of avoiding a few manual sync requests outweighs the risk of automatically-induced mistakes.  IME (I process the bulk of manual sync requests) it's rare for the Debian text to be identical to the Ubuntu text anyway.
[00:04] <cjwatson> Also rare for people to include the entire Ubuntu changelog.  To a first approximation I only see it when the package didn't previously exist in Debian.
[00:11] <lfaraone> maco, ajmitch, could've sworn I signed both...
[00:13] <ajmitch> lfaraone: yeah I misread, it was maco that forgot :)
[00:13]  * ajmitch shouldn't read email from the list archives
[00:14] <lfaraone> hah. Actually, that was how I got the right message-id for the thread. (I don't subscribe to newmaint)
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <Rhonda> Hmm, I guess I should drop the idea of PPU rights, with no endorsements I guess I won't get anywhere. :)
[07:46]  * Rhonda . o O ( *shamelessplug* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GerfriedFuchs/DeveloperApplication )
[07:46] <ajmitch> Rhonda: where are you trying to get endorsements?
[07:46]  * ajmitch goes to look
[07:49] <Rhonda> \o/ for 500 Internal Server Erorr
[07:49] <ajmitch> heh
[07:49] <Rhonda> Error even, but if one would type Error as Error, it wouldn't be an Error, would it?
[07:52]  * ajmitch hasn't directly sponsored uploads of yours, but has seen your work
[07:53] <ajmitch> I think I can endorse you
[07:53] <Rhonda> I think there weren't any sponsored uploads of mine. %-)
[07:53] <Rhonda> Well, none for these three packages anyway.
[07:53] <ajmitch> they were mostly syncs, weren't they?
[07:53] <Rhonda> Yes, some sponsored syncrequests in the early days.
[07:54] <Rhonda> Ah, there was one for irssi recently. Yes, lucid-backports for irssi. :)
[07:55] <Rhonda> And I'm still uncertain about that beep bug. I guess all I can do for it is just document how to enable it prominently, but it's not beep's fault that it doesn't beep anymore when the pcspkr module is blacklisted these days.
[08:04] <Rhonda> I like this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=184055#5
[08:05] <dholbach> hrw, what do you think about https://code.launchpad.net/~hrw/ubuntu/natty/armel-cross-toolchain-base/1.63/+merge/57852? should it still go into natty (does it qualify for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SRU?) or is it OK to just go into oneiric?
[08:11] <dholbach> hrw, same question about lp:~hrw/ubuntu/natty/gcc-4.4-armel-cross/1.40
[08:12] <dholbach> menesis, should https://code.launchpad.net/~menesis/ubuntu/natty/wsgi-intercept/natty/+merge/58498 still go into natty or is it ok if it just goes into oneiric?
[08:15] <menesis> dholbach: first into oneiric, of course. but would be good to have in natty as well
[08:16] <dholbach> menesis, can you put up a merge proposal for oneiric? I'm happy to review and test it and get it in
[08:17] <menesis> another proposal, or resubmit this one?
[08:17] <hrw> dholbach: I am preparing updates for oneiric
[08:18] <hrw> dholbach: once will get rid of most of lintian complains I will upload
[08:18] <dholbach> hrw, should the changes still get into natty? if not, I'll ask somebody to mark them as irrelevant
[08:18] <dholbach> (irrelevant for natty)
[08:18] <hrw> dholbach: last changes were mostly lintian overrides only so nothing revelant rather
[08:19] <wejaeger> Hey, anyone up for reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/l2tp-ipsec-vpn
[08:19] <dholbach> ok, great - thanks, I'll ask somebody to get them off the sponsoring list for natty then
[08:19] <hrw> dholbach: thx
[08:19] <hrw> dholbach: now I can upload armel/armhf cross toolchains on my own ;D
[08:19] <dholbach> nice :)
[08:41] <hrw> yep
[08:41] <hrw> got universe contributor access on uds monday
[08:41] <dholbach> nice
[08:42] <hrw> indeed
[09:07] <geser> hrw: UUC is only for Ubuntu membership (@ubuntu.com), for upload rights you need at least PPU rights
[09:11] <hrw> geser: ok, I was talking with persia during uds - will get ppu for all my 12 packages
[09:12] <geser> ah
[14:40] <Laney> I think exchange has mangled my received sigs :(
[22:31] <scott-work> anyone seen persia lately?
[22:31]  * highvoltage saw him on Friday
[22:32] <Laney> ;-)
[22:33] <highvoltage> and Laney did too :)
[22:33] <Laney> highvoltage: cool pics
[22:34] <highvoltage> yeah, looking at them I realise I should get a better camera next time!
[22:34] <scott-work> highvoltage: oh, you mean at UDS
[22:34] <highvoltage> scott-work: yep
[22:34] <scott-work> i haven't seen him online much in quite a while
[22:34] <directhex> persia is definitely different in real life to what irc implies
[22:34] <Laney> i want to try some of the "black dragon" i got
[22:34] <Laney> scary hungarian booze
[22:35] <thekittster> Hello everyone, if anyone's interested in getting the new mingw-w64 toolchain synced from Debian to Ubuntu I have the missing link
[22:35] <thekittster> I've uploaded a gcc-mingw-w64-bootstrap package to REVU: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gcc-mingw-w64-bootstrap
[22:35] <thekittster> I'd appreciate a review or two ;-)
[22:35] <highvoltage> Laney: I hoped that your message to -motu would get more response
[22:35] <thekittster> The needs-packaging bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-mingw-w64/+bug/783175
[22:36] <Laney> highvoltage: indeed, I had hoped that too
[22:36] <Laney> maybe that confirms things ...
[22:37] <scott-work> directhex: how is that?
[22:38] <directhex> scott-work: i always pictured another random nerd. this is my default picture for random nerds on irc
[22:40] <highvoltage> in my experience motus are hardly ever random nerds
[22:41] <highvoltage> (but persia is indeed more interesting)
[22:42] <directhex> nothing wrong with random nerds
[22:46] <scott-work> highvoltage: i've never seen him and you are killing me with curiosity now :P
[22:49] <highvoltage> ]
[22:50] <highvoltage> scott-work: he's a very friendly, honest and intelligent person. so for me he's the same on irc as irl :)
[22:54] <scott-work> highvoltage: i don't think i can't imagine him other than as you described
[23:13] <aaronr> Hi all. If a package is abandoned upstream by the Debian project, but is still in Ubuntu, what's the process for getting that package a maintainer? The mtop package currently has a 6.5 year old bug in the post-install script: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mtop/+bug/77980
[23:17] <arand> aaronr: If it's indeed orphaned in Debian, then likely it will be a matter of someone adopting it, if you care about it, that'd be you ;)
[23:20] <aaronr> Well I don't mind taking it on... if I'm not going to be stepping on any toes by doing so? I'm not an expert at packaging, but I've done a few bits, and happy to learn the bits I don't know.
[23:21] <jtaylor> according to bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=595822 upstream is dead
[23:21] <jtaylor> you should then also think about becomming upstream
[23:23] <aaronr> Can someone point me in the direction of some documentation I should read about this sort of thing (both Ubuntu & Debian)? I'm happy to learn, but don't want to ask lots of questions here that are already answered somewhere else. :)
[23:26] <gusnan> aaronr, there is some info here: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/
[23:27] <arand> aaronr: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#howto-o : set the status of the bug, upload new version to debian mentors, request sponsorship. Pretty much.
[23:27] <aaronr> awesome. thanks :)


 Just testing recording into Audacity from a Fender GT200 Mustang amp via USB. I am getting periodic audio drop outs approx once a second.  … The only way I can select the Mustang USB amp as the recording device is by selecting ALSA in Audacity > Preferences > Devices > Host. If I select Jack in Host there is no option to select the Mustang
[12:52] <studiobot> and no sound recorder. Any clues as what might be the cause gratefully received.   …  This is what I see as I launch Audacity in terminal.  … user@user-System-Product-Name:~$ audacity … Error opening file /home/user/.lv2/organ_roussel.sf2/manifest.ttl (Not a directory) … lilv_world_load_file(): error: Error loading file `file:///home/user/.lv2/orga
[12:52] <studiobot> n_roussel.sf2/manifest.ttl' … lilv_world_load_bundle(): error: Error reading file:///home/user/.lv2/organ_roussel.sf2/manifest.ttl … ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:618:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave … ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1052:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave … ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.rear … ALSA
[12:52] <studiobot> lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.center_lfe … ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.side … ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1052:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplevel window is not shown … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplev
[12:52] <studiobot> el window is not shown … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplevel window is not shown … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplevel window is not shown … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplevel window is not shown … 12:19:15: Debug: ScreenToClient cannot work when toplevel window is not shown … 12:19
 (Photo, 800x679) https://i.imgur.com/YN7fA8K.jpg This is my US Control settings.
 (Photo, 748x510) https://i.imgur.com/0LxE72C.jpg
 And a screenshot Audacity Devices tab.
 (Audio, 32s)http://studiobot.ericheickmeyer.com:9090/YZbn0EdO/file_61.mp3
 And here is a brief MP3 sample of the dropouts.
[14:06] <OvenWerks> Chris: You are using hdmi as output, is that on purpose?
[14:08] <OvenWerks> Chris: Are you sure your USB device handles 44100? (some only do 48000)
 No, I am using a Focusrite USB audio interface (which is listed as 'USB 0,0' in USB devices). The Nvidia HDMI was the default selection, which I ignore. As I understand it (?), if a USB is device selected in 'USB Devices', it takes precedence over non-USB Master device. I do use the Nvidia audio for my second screen ( lTV screen for video e
[15:12] <studiobot> diting).   … The Focusrite interface dies 44100 OK.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Chris ok sounds good...
 Thanks.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> Is the mustang plugged in as well?
[15:21] <OvenWerks> Chris: if the mustang is plugged in, can you post the url given by: jack_lsp |pastebinit
 Yes, the Mustang is plugged into the desktop pc usb port. … Here is output of jack_lsp. … user@user-System-Product-Name:~$ jack_lsp … system:capture_1 … system:capture_2 … system:capture_3 … system:capture_4 … system:capture_5 … system:capture_6 … system:playback_1 … system:playback_2 … system:playback_3 … system:playback_4 … system:playbac
[15:40] <studiobot> k_5 … system:playback_6 … PulseOut:front-left … PulseOut:front-right … PulseIn:front-left … PulseIn:front-right … a2j:Midi Through [14] (capture): Midi Through Port-0 … a2j:Midi Through [14] (playback): Midi Through Port-0 … a2j:Keystation 88 [20] (capture): Keystation 88 MIDI 1 … a2j:Keystation 88 [20] (playback): Keystation 88 MIDI 1 … a2j:Keysta
[15:40] <studiobot> tion 88 [20] (capture): Keystation 88 MIDI 2 … a2j:Scarlett 6i6 USB [24] (capture): Scarlett 6i6 USB MIDI 1 … a2j:Scarlett 6i6 USB [24] (playback): Scarlett 6i6 USB MIDI 1 … user@user-System-Product-Name:~$
[15:40] <OvenWerks> Chris I asked for the output of  jack_lsp |pastebinit
[15:41] <OvenWerks> This should have been a one line URL not a set of lines
[15:42] <OvenWerks> In any case I don't see the mustang.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> This next command is all one line in the terminal:
[15:43] <OvenWerks> cd /tmp && wget http://jackaudio.org/downloads/adevices.sh && bash ./adevices.sh |pastebinit
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Again it should only put out one line.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> Hmm it gave more here, but I only want the last line
[15:44] <OvenWerks> The one that says:
[15:44] <OvenWerks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/etc
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9P2xKymZYS/
[15:56] <OvenWerks> in a terminal try: zita-a2j -d hw:Audio,0,0
[15:57] <OvenWerks> Chris ^^
 Ok
[16:01] <OvenWerks> Chris: if that doesn't error out, in another terminal type: jack_lsp |pastebinit
[16:01] <OvenWerks> and send the url
 user@user-System-Product-Name:~$  zita-a2j -d hw:Audio,0,0,0 … ALSA lib conf.c:4858:(parse_args) Unknown parameter 3 … ALSA lib conf.c:4991:(snd_config_expand) Parse arguments error: No such file or directory … ALSA lib pcm.c:2495:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM hw:Audio,0,0,0 … Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw:Audio,0,0,0'. … user@us
[16:03] <studiobot> er-System-Product-Name:~$
 Did I make an error?
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> Pro tip: put a space after the pipe.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> one too many 0s
[16:04] <OvenWerks> zita-a2j -d hw:Audio,0,0 is the line you want
[16:04] <OvenWerks> just two 0,0 not 0,0,0
 Sorry.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> Chris no problem
 The terminal is reporting 'starting synchronisation' but then nothing happens.
[16:09] <OvenWerks> Chris that is good
[16:09] <OvenWerks> Just leave that terminal running for now and open another terminal
[16:10] <OvenWerks> in the second terminal type: jack_lsp |pastebinit
 Ok second one open
[16:11] <OvenWerks> Chris: in the second terminal type jack_lsp |pastebinit
[16:11] <OvenWerks> it should give a web page URL
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dWngFFjVVk/
[16:13] <OvenWerks> Chris: Great, your mustang sound should be the jack port called zita-a2j:capture_1 and 2
[16:13] <OvenWerks> Now the question is why that did not happen automatically
 Yes, that now appears in the Audacity recording menu. …  I will try it.
 Yep, it is perfect. No drop outs and quality great. Many thanks!
[16:18] <OvenWerks> Chris are you interested in trouble shooting farther?
 Yes. Of course.
[16:21] <OvenWerks> in the first terminal where you ran zita-a2j, hold the control key down and press c at the same time.
[16:22] <OvenWerks> this should stop zita-a2j and give you the command prompt again.
 Ok
 Done
[16:23] <OvenWerks> then try: zita-a2j -d hw:Audio,0,0 -r 44100
[16:23] <OvenWerks> in that same terminal
[16:24] <OvenWerks> (in case you are interested, we were running it at 48000 before)
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Chris the above line should work the same as the last time giving you the syncing message
 Response is  … Can't open ALSA capture device 'hw: Audio,0,0'
[16:28] <OvenWerks> @Chris: this tells me that your mustang probably only runs at 48000
[16:28] <OvenWerks> If you change the setting on your focus rite to 48000 then restart jack in controls you should see both
 I find that off because 44100 is CD standard.
 Odd
 Simethi g guitarist would need.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> 48000 is the digital standard, 44100 is only for CDs and nothing else. DVDs, broadcast, videos , windows all use 48000
[16:30] <Eickmeyer> If you're burning to CD, then most CD burning applications are smart enough to downsample.
 Doesn't that change the pitch?
[16:30] <OvenWerks> @Chris: no,
[16:31] <OvenWerks> SRC preserves pitch
 Or is it speed?
[16:31] <OvenWerks> SRC also preserves speed.
 Ok
[16:32] <OvenWerks> @Chris, FYI the old soundblaster audio devices recorded everything at 48000 and then if the user asked the card for anything else they used a hardware SRC to change it.
 I will have log into Windows to change the Focusrite sample rate. Let me get the laptop going
[16:33] <OvenWerks> That was the AC97 standard. The HDA stanard still uses a 48000 buss speed but does allow the ADC to run at other rates
 Ok
[16:34] <OvenWerks> @Chris, you shouldn't have to... (I could be wrong) it should accept jack starting at 48000
[16:37]  * OvenWerks will be back in a sec... short Dog walk required...
[16:42] <OvenWerks> @Chris: when you get it starting at 48000, the mustang should show up as Audio,0,0-in
 While in Windows, I realised that I had accidentally forgotten to set 44100 as the sample rate in Focusrite  last time I messed with it. I set it to factory defaults which is 48000 and must have forgotten to change it. 😎
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> @Chris: Hold up... the focusrite has to be reconfigured using its windows app for the sample rate?? Nearly every USB audio interface I've ever used (except audio mixers, where you set the sample rate on the device) adapts to whatever sample rate it is given.
[16:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: the focusrite has required extensions for some things in the linux driver
[16:51] <OvenWerks> but yeah, I would expect jack to be able to at least set sample rate
[16:51] <OvenWerks> (in order to be macos compliant)
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> Right, that's where I'm concerned. If this is indeed the case, then that explains the problem people have been having with focusrites lately.
[16:53]  * OvenWerks also notes that while jackd does request a change of sample rate, if the device is unable to do so, jackd is not aware that the device is running in a different rate than asked for.
[16:55] <OvenWerks> This does not stop jackd from operating.... but it does lead to odd things if an ardour session is recorded with jackd "thinking" is has the device set to 48k when in fact the device is at 44k1. The next time jackd may be able to set the device (or another) to 48k and then the pitch/speed will be wrong.
 There is no Linux equivalent of Focusrite Control app used to set up the internal routing and other settings, including sample rate. So, you have to boot into Windows and set it. The device then 'remembers' the last settings when you switch to Linux.
 I have rebooted Linux and the zita option is no longer available in Audacity when Jack is selected as Host.
[17:09] <OvenWerks> @Chris: so having set the focusrite to 48000 and restarted on the linux box at 48000, do you see your mustang now?
 In US Controls, there is now a USB 0,0 Playback and Capture + Usb audio
[17:15] <OvenWerks> Audio is the mustang, USB is the focusrite
 Sorry. … It is 'USB 0,0 Playback and Capture (USB Audio)' option, which wasn't there before.
 That is in addition to the 'USB, 0,0'.
[17:17] <OvenWerks> Both focusrite and Fender could have set these names to something that gives a better hint to what they are. They probably just used the default name on the chip rather than customizing it.
 I will select the new option and see if it works.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> I would still use USB,0,0 as the USB master. The mustang should just show up so long as the rate is set to 48000
[17:19] <OvenWerks> It is mostly best (or at least, less confusing) to use your output device as the jack master
[17:20] <OvenWerks> That way most audio programs auto connect to the right outputs ...
 The new option doesn't stick after 'apply audio settings'  is clicked. It goes back to USB,0,0.
[17:23] <OvenWerks> @Chris: I am not sure, but There were some versions of controls where you had to apply and then restart
[17:23] <OvenWerks> But USB,0,0 is probably right anyway.
 In Audacity settings, if Jack is selected as Host, there is a new option ' Audio, 0,0-in'. I will test it.
 Yes, it is fine. No drop outs and audio fine.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> @Chris: I think you at the, thats as good as it gets point.
 There is now no Mustang  option if ALSA is selected as Host but that is not a big deal.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> @Chris: it always either jackd or alsa, to see a device in alsa, first jack needs to be stopped
 Many thanks for all your help. Sorting out my muddle!
[17:34] <OvenWerks> Jackd locks any device it uses
 Understood.
[17:34] <OvenWerks> Not a problem.... Time for another controls mod...


[01:18] <ItsMeLenny> is there any way i can force an install of ubuntu budgie on something less than 8.4gb
[10:41] <Bdg2002> I installed Ubuntu budgie minimal, how do I install plank?
[11:31] <mpmc> fossfreedom: Here's hoping that Ikey doesn't remove support for Python apps in Budgie 11!
[11:31] <mpmc> applets*
[16:48] <fossfreedom> mpmc, well I can see the worry since the idea is a stream-line in process method to run stuff.  Faster and more robust.
[16:49] <fossfreedom> But there are many ways to slice this  - for example an advanced indicator way - an in process applet that recognises an out of process applet; that's how appindicators work
[16:49] <fossfreedom> just need to make it more advanced to work with whatever toolset that v11 settles on
[16:51] <fossfreedom> Upstream are going through a reevaluation exercise at the moment mpmc ... so not really possible to see the future until the bare-bones of the new/revised approach is made
[18:44] <mpmc> fossfreedom: You might have seen my question & answer session in #budgie-desktop-dev. Josh pretty much put my mind at ease. I'm really looking forward to Budgie v11 & depending on the outcome of the re-eval will take a look at the existing UB Py applets.
[18:49] <fossfreedom> mpmc, +1


[01:28] <slangasek> lamont: ENOSPC errors on edubuntu-dvd builds (i386)?
[01:28] <lamont> yeah. you need livecd-rootfs 1.117 :-(
[01:29] <lamont> 5GB+ image, 3GB RAM, 2GB swap.. ENOSPC
[01:29] <lamont> tmpfs is not always your friend
[01:32] <slangasek> right :) I see 1.117 in the archive, so is this auto-fixed for the next run?
[01:32] <slangasek> (5GB+ image... sounds like the DVD needs pruned, besides?)
[01:38] <lamont> well, that's 5GB+ of disk space (last I looked in my test back when, it was 5GB, that was before it finished, includes the downloaded debs, etc)
[01:40] <lamont> manually upgraded i386 chroot for maverick. enjoy
[02:08] <slangasek> cheers
[02:36] <lamont> generally, it updates daily, fwiw
[02:37] <lamont> at 02:15 london