[01:51] <redheat> everytime I log in as root, I get this message you're logging in as a privileged user, how do I get rid of that
[01:51] <IndyGunFreak> are you using a Raid?
[01:51] <kristjan_> IndyGunFreak: among other things, the update for "nvidia_glx_new" is available
[01:51] <CountX> IndyGunFreak i cant change to slave
[01:51] <redheat> not in hell
[01:51] <redheat> lol
[01:51] <CountX> IndyGunFreak just "notebook hard drive"
[01:52] <thompa> i got so many updates ill just wait on troubleshooting
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> CountX: ok, you tell me you have 2 hard drives, yet you're on a notebook, explain to me exactly how your systemis set up, is ubuntu on an external drive?
[01:52] <IndyGunFreak> I know laptops can have 2 drives, just doesn't seem that common.
[01:53] <CountX> IndyGunFreak 2 internal satas
[01:53] <IndyGunFreak> ok.
[01:53] <redheat> guys anyone
[01:54] <IndyGunFreak> and your laptop on the BIOS, doesn't give you the option to change their boot order?.... i've just never seen that, thats all.
[01:54] <thompa> redheat: what
[01:54] <CountX> IndyGunFreak 2 partitions are windows, both on the first sda, 2 for linux, both on sdb
[01:54] <redheat> does anyone know how to get rid of the privileged user warning when I log in as root?
[01:54] <arnath> for some reason the bottom bar does not show up on boot, i have to click wiv my mouse at the bottom of my screen and it will pop up
[01:55] <thompa> redheat: are you a new user , what are your privilages?
[01:55] <bazhang> arnath: I've heard someone else complain about that bug
[01:55] <redheat> I also have the same problem as arnath, the bottom bar doesn't show up instantly
[01:55] <arnath> bazhang: should i report it on the bug site?
[01:55] <CountX> 1 and a half hours before i have to leave
[01:55] <redheat> when I login as root
[01:56] <thompa> redheat: me too bottom bar, but its fixed now
[01:56] <redheat> I get a message saying you're entering a privileged user mode
[01:56] <thompa> compiz options fixed it for me somehow but there is no telling
[01:56] <bazhang> arnath: probably a good idea; have you tried deleting the panel and then reinstalling it as a workaround in the meantime?
[01:57] <thompa> redheat: did you try admin users first
[01:57] <redheat> how do I do that?
[01:57] <kristjan_> redheat: why do you try log in as root?
[01:57] <thompa> system: administration: users and groups from the menu
[01:58] <arnath> bazhang: na, its not a real inconvenience, just one click brings it back
[01:58] <kyja> how do I remove a second listing of desktop in the places menu ?
[01:58] <thompa> redheat: there you will see what you got
[01:58] <redheat> because it's easier for me this way...I just love to be in full control of it..rather than that vista-like UI that I get everytime
[01:58] <redheat> I try to open a program or install something
[01:59] <kristjan_> redheat: dude, running x as root is security risk
[01:59] <thompa> redheat: you know about sudo right?
[01:59] <redheat> kristjan, thompa, my friends I understand, and you don't have to say anything and I want push it...I truely do
[02:00] <CountX> i dont have that problem cause i cant f*king boot
[02:00] <redheat> yes I do know about thompa and I did change that using the terminal
[02:00] <redheat> sudo -i
[02:00] <redheat> right?
[02:00] <thompa> redheat: so what are your user privilages or are you root?
[02:01] <redheat> for the time being root
[02:02] <thompa> redheat: why are you root?
[02:02] <kristjan_> CountX: http://hashbin.com/1039b.html
[02:03] <thompa> redheat: what do you root privilages or user privlages say, go look
[02:03] <redheat> where I can find that?
[02:04] <kristjan_> CountX: you are using livecd?
[02:04] <thompa> system. admin..menu
[02:04] <CountX> yes
[02:04] <redheat> ok I got them thompa under users and groups
[02:04] <thompa> for a start
[02:04] <kristjan_> CountX: well? can you follow that link I gave you?
[02:05] <CountX> kristjan_ it gives an error at setup (hd0) error 17 cant mount
[02:05] <redheat> guys do you know that no one, and I really no one has ever said anything about this..
[02:05] <redheat> I mean it's like the usergroup policy editor on windows
[02:06] <redheat> anyhow..thank you kristijan and you too thompa..
[02:06] <redheat> sorry I meant kristjan_...my mistake sorry
[02:06] <redheat> bye
[02:07] <ciphergoth> What's the "right way" to configure grub under Ubuntu?  There seems to be an /etc/grub.d but that just contains something to set up a menu entry for memtest86+
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[02:07] <kristjan_> CountX: what happens if you write "setup (hd" and press TAB?
[02:08] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: AFAICT that file is generated
[02:08] <CountX> kristjan_ hold on im restarting
[02:08] <ciphergoth> but anyway, it seems to suggest there should be a menu on startup, but there isn't
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: it is
[02:08] <CountX> kristjan_ ok i fixed it...
[02:09] <CountX> kristjan_ i had to restart and do the same thing like 5 times, and on this time it work...
[02:09] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: so I shouldn't edit it directly, but rather edit the files that configure it, right?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: only the bottom half is autogenerated each time
[02:10] <Hobbsee> as in, below ## AUTOMATIC ...
[02:10] <psycose>  i've got a few packages failed to download while upgrading 7.04 to 7.10 they are all related to the linux kernel (exemple Failed to fetch http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.19_i386.deb 404 Not Found) any tips?
[02:10] <ciphergoth> oh strange
[02:10] <kristjan_> CountX: strange, can you see grub menu now that you reboot?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> psycose: mirror is out of date.
[02:10] <arnath> o crap, my internet is down on my linux computer
[02:11] <arnath> no ip address, and when i do ifdown eth0, it says -> interface eth0 not configured
[02:11] <Hobbsee> arnath: use dhclient eth0
[02:11] <psycose> ok so to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 beta running update-manager -d is not sufficient
[02:11] <ciphergoth> Hobbsee: so, any thoughts on what I need to check to find out why I don't get a menu at boot time?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> ciphergoth: none at all
[02:12] <psycose> we must first disable mirrors .... may be this can be added to the wiki
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: no.
[02:12] <savvas> ciphergoth: the boot menu?
[02:12] <arnath> Hobbsee: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[02:12] <ciphergoth> savvas: yes
[02:12] <Hobbsee> arnath: then it's not eth0 that is your wired connection  now.
[02:12] <penguincentral> hi all
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: everything will be built for release.
[02:12] <arnath> Hobbsee: o i see, and how is that possible?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> psycose: and already mirrored.
[02:12] <savvas> ciphergoth: did you change anything in menu.lst?
[02:13] <penguincentral> i just got 14 updates
[02:13] <ciphergoth> not yet
[02:13] <psycose> ok so for the 7.10 beta we must disable mirrors manually
[02:13] <savvas> ciphergoth: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep "timeout"
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: no.
[02:13] <ciphergoth> no, I just installed Gusty on my Windows XP box, and now it only boots Gutsy
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: you have to wait for the mirrors to resync.
[02:13] <ciphergoth> timeout 3
[02:13] <aLeSD> hi all
[02:13] <psycose> ok
[02:13] <savvas> hm
[02:13] <penguincentral> !hi | aLeSD
[02:13] <ubotu> aLeSD: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:13] <ciphergoth> but it doesn't show a menu and then time out
[02:13] <Hobbsee> psycose: do you *really* think it's a good idea for the entire world to be using the same location to get updates from the beta?
[02:14] <savvas> ciphergoth: try sudo update-grub
[02:14] <jrib> chong: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[02:14] <chong> <23
[02:14] <chong> *<3
[02:14] <aLeSD> I have a problem ... I just upgrade the 7.10 and nvidia drivers won't load
[02:14] <savvas> chong: </3
[02:14] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: it really stresses out the servers, but for the updates to reach local mirrors it takes a while
[02:14] <arnath> Hobbsee: no dhcp offers received
[02:14] <aLeSD> I mean I use nvidia driver yesterday ... and all weas good . But today
[02:14] <ciphergoth> savvas: looks like it's going to offer me a variety of ways to boot Ubuntu or memtest86+
[02:15] <aLeSD> I upgraded the kernel and pluf .. no way
[02:15] <ciphergoth> but I would quite like to be able to boot Windows too (I know, I know)
[02:15] <savvas> aLeSD: did you upgrade to the new kernel? you have to wait for the restricted modules package. if not, from the menu: system > admin > restricted drivers manager, check your graphics card
[02:16] <aLeSD> ok ...  just resolved
[02:16] <aLeSD> u r doing a big job ... every day I find 70 MB to upload ...
[02:16] <aLeSD> crazy world
[02:16] <savvas> ciphergoth: try sudo grub-install .. or something like that
[02:17] <ciphergoth> It's asking what device to install to ... I have the feeling I'm grubbing around at too low a level
[02:17] <weltall> what's better for updating to gutsy (keep in mind that /home is on a different partition than /boot and /): 1) remove the .configs and the gconf data 2) keep them as is ?
[02:17] <savvas> aLeSD: the risks of beta :)
[02:18] <ciphergoth> I can't help but feel that Ubuntu must have a good story for managing dual boot machines, and that maybe it's gone a little bit wrong owing to betaness, but that I should be trying to get it on the right track, not bypassing it
[02:18] <cavediver> I've noticed decreased torrent-downloading performance after latest updates. Is this only a coincident or anyone else have the same problems ?
[02:21] <ciphergoth> well, have mucked about with menu.lst, will try it now
[02:22] <ramvi> Is there any known errors with dvd playback / libdvdcss2 in gutsy?
[02:22] <shiznit> anyone home
[02:22] <savvas> neah, you may go crazy
[02:22] <ramvi> Ive installed libdvdcss2 and the dvd is all laggy and unviewable
[02:23] <savvas> ramvi: on which player?
[02:23] <shiznit> i need help with start up programs, i removed them from the list and they still autostart
[02:23] <ramvi> savvas: vlc and totem
[02:24] <savvas> shiznit: for example which programs? you may have to disable them in system > preferences, like the bluetooth thingy
[02:24] <savvas> ramvi: try mplayer
[02:24] <shiznit> i have
[02:24] <shiznit> avant-window-navigator and fusion icon
[02:24] <shiznit> i got rid of them in the list and they still autostart
[02:25] <savvas> maybe there's a daemon or something :\
[02:25] <savvas> checked /etc/init.d/ ?
[02:26] <shiznit> ok sec
[02:26] <ramvi> savvas: mplayer returns FATAL: Could not initialize video filters (-vf) or video output (-vo). when I try to start the dvd
[02:26] <shiznit> what am i looking for?
[02:27] <savvas> ramvi: where did you get libdvdcss2 btw? it's not in the repositories
[02:27] <kyja> HELP :) this is not mission critical but I am slightly annoyed. I have duplicate menu item "desktop" in my places menu. I want to kill one.
[02:27] <savvas> shiznit: awn or avant-something
[02:28] <ramvi> savvas Mediabuntu
[02:28] <shiznit> savvas, not there and neither is fusion-icon
[02:28] <savvas> shiznit: out of ideas then, sorry :)
[02:32] <arnath> hmm, i'm getting "No DHCPOFFERS received" from dhclient eth1, anyone know if this could be a linux problem? (or is my dhcp server down?)
[02:34] <savvas> arnath: try restart the router and sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:34] <dennda> Hi there
[02:35] <dennda> after todays upgrade to the new -13 kernel, I was missing the restricted modules. I am still missing them. Weren't they uploaded, too?
[02:35] <dennda> They aren't available on the repository
[02:36] <dennda> (After reboot I fell back to failsafex since my card geforce 8 wasn't able to work properly with the nvidia-driver that was still configured)
[02:36] <prestosd> I can't boot!
[02:36] <Hobbsee> dennda: your mirror is out of date
[02:36] <prestosd> I just upgraded to gutsy
[02:37] <prestosd> and now it freezes at like %2 and goes to busybox
[02:37] <dennda> and, to make things even worse: http://pastebin.ca/727813
[02:37] <savvas> dennda: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/metapackages/linux-restricted-modules this?
[02:37] <dennda> Hobbsee: you have restricted-modules for the -13 kernel? (generic)
[02:37] <prestosd> nomasteryoda, you here?
[02:37] <dennda> this is the official german ubuntu mirror
[02:37] <Hobbsee> dennda: yes
[02:38] <ChildX> hello
[02:38] <savvas> ah sorry: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/misc/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic
[02:38] <Hobbsee> dennda: and it's still behind the original mirror, so you may need to wait a copule of hours
[02:38] <ChildX> i have done a test...
[02:38] <dennda> yes, exactly
[02:38] <dennda> ok
[02:38] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:39] <ChildX> why is that so?
[02:39] <dennda> Hobbsee: thanks. Any idea about the above posted fail of xrandr -o? worked fine until I rebooted with the new kernel (due to my driver missing i am running -12 now, but xrandr still doesn't work)
[02:39] <hetauma> what I did to get over this problem was switch to main ubuntu servers download restricted-13 from there and after that I had to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:39] <prestosd> Hey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:39] <Hobbsee> dennda: none, but i'd wait until getting that new kernel to see
[02:40] <dennda> Hobbsee: Ok, I will do that (or maybe download the package from another mirror)
[02:40] <prestosd> What's the yaboot command to shut off the splash screen?
[02:40] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <hetauma> any ideas if I can use the tool that ubuntu uses during installation to automaticly configure xorg.conf?
[02:41] <humbolto> how to start compiz by hand in order to use the gconf backend?
[02:41] <Suurorca> ok, this is interesting... gutsy kernel doesn't seem to like my RAId controller *sigh*
[02:41] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <ChildX> i cannot go into the Suspend mode in Gutsy... I can, however, in Feisty, but cannot return then
[02:41] <Hobbsee> humbolto: compiz --replace
[02:41] <Hobbsee> !repeat | ChildX
[02:41] <ubotu> ChildX: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[02:41] <prestosd> lol
[02:41] <ChildX> emerald --replace
[02:42] <dennda> hetauma: that *is configuring xserver-xorg, which you reconfigured with the above command
[02:42] <humbolto> Hobbsee: that's it?  My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:43] <dennda> hetauma: you are possibly confused because you didn't use the argument -plow
[02:43] <humbolto> Hobbsee: I did compiz --replace gconf but changes with ccsm don't seem to take affect until I restart compiz.
[02:44] <humbolto> Hobbsee: restarting meaning logging out and logging in again.
[02:44] <hetauma> -plow ? what does that do ?
[02:44] <dennda> Hobbsee: some kind of "kick-button" or script? i always need to type all this manually ;)
[02:44] <savvas> humbolto: if you have gnome-compiz-manager, remove it
[02:44] <Hobbsee> dennda: yes, i have aliases :)
[02:44] <chrissturm> hmm, my bottom gnome panel disappeared in the last update, how do i get it back?
[02:44] <dennda> hetauma: doesn't ask you all that stuff. needs less input
[02:44] <dennda> hetauma: but it's the same
[02:45] <Hobbsee> humbolto: hm.  i dont run compiz
[02:45] <hetauma> chrissturm, double click on desktop
[02:45] <dennda> Hobbsee: ah ok. .oO(note to myself: write aliases)
[02:45] <chrissturm> hetauma: lol, thanks
[02:45] <hetauma> :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> dennda: this one is /kickban -domain user, shortened.
[02:45] <hetauma> chrissturm, of course it's not supposed to work that way :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> although it ops first
[02:46] <chrissturm> i was just about to delete my panel config to revert to defaults
[02:46] <prestosd> Hey, I can't boot up! My boot loading thingy freezes at like %2 then goes to BusyBox 1.1.3 or something like that
[02:48] <Hobbsee> prestosd: if someone hasnt answered you by now, they likely dont know how to fix it.
[02:49] <prestosd> lol
[02:49] <Hobbsee> prestosd: repeating will just earn *you* a kickban
[02:49] <prestosd> Hobbsee, lol I noticed
[02:49] <prestosd> but it's really really really really really urgent
[02:49] <dennda> savvas: got what you wanted? ;)
[02:49] <prestosd> busybox doesn't say an error
[02:49] <prestosd> it just starts
[02:49] <savvas> dennda: negative :)
[02:50] <dennda> savvas: what do you want to know?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> prestosd: because you upgraded a machine that was really really urgent to a development release?
[02:50] <prestosd> lol?
[02:50] <savvas> dennda: the story of your life
[02:50] <dennda> savvas: 42
[02:50] <savvas> bbl, clinic hours
[02:50] <prestosd> Hobbsee, did it on another machine fine a few days ago
[02:50] <prestosd> this ones a PPC
[02:50] <prestosd> just upgraded to gutsy
[02:50] <prestosd> first boot of gutsy it did this
[02:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, well, ppc.
[02:50] <jimmacdonald> having  a problem after updates. goes to a terminal prompt with the error kinit no resume image, doing normal boot. and then it just dies to a login prompt
[02:50] <humbolto> I never know if I need to enable the Composite extension or not in xorg.conf. What is it for?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> so it hates your hardware
[02:51] <prestosd> reall slow loading...so I reboot
[02:51] <stefg> bad timing, prestosd :-) as it just broke
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: do you have an intel card?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: sorry, an ati card?
[02:51] <jimmacdonald> no NVidia.
[02:51] <prestosd> stefg, ?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: binary drivers?
[02:51] <chrissturm> is it possible to index thunderbird emails via tracker?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: boot back with the old kernel, it should work.
[02:52] <prestosd> ?
[02:52] <stefg> kernel updated, but no restricted modules, prestosd . so if you dist-upgrade now you'll not have prop-drivers ATM
[02:52] <prestosd> I dunno how, yaboot (the mac bootloader
[02:52] <prestosd> doesnt have a llist
[02:52] <prestosd> Got a command?
[02:53] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee after I reboot then what?
[02:53] <soc> hi
[02:53] <dennda> i wonder if the restricted-modules will be suggested by update-manager automatically or if i have to check their availability manually
[02:53] <prestosd> stefg, I still don't get what you're saying
[02:53] <prestosd> :P
[02:53] <soc> will xf86-video-ati synched to the latest release again?
[02:54] <soc> looks like 6.7.195 is mostly a bug fix release
[02:54] <soc> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-October/028974.html
[02:54] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[02:54] <dennda> prestosd: it's simple: If you upgrade now, you possibly won't have the correct driver
[02:54] <dennda> (for your graphics card)
[02:54] <prestosd> dennda, well I already upgraded
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: then update
[02:54] <prestosd> so...I can just boot my old kernel right?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: see what stefg said.
[02:55] <prestosd> dennda, how can I boot the old kernel?
[02:55] <dennda> stefg: cupsys still? I was convinced it upgraded just 5 minutes ago without an issue
[02:55] <chrissturm> stefg: well, i am running the 13 kernel with nvidia driver and it works.
[02:55] <prestosd> dennda, my bootloader doesn't have a bootlist...so I would need a command
[02:55] <dennda> prestosd: press ESC when grub loads
[02:55] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: so don't update just yet?
[02:55] <humbolto> compiz keybinding settings don't take effect until I relogin.
[02:55] <prestosd> its not grub
[02:55] <prestosd> its yaboot
[02:55] <prestosd> but Ill try
[02:56] <dennda> prestosd: ah ok, i cannot help you then since I don't know yaboot
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: no, do update.  you've already got teh new kernel, but not the modules to go with it
[02:56] <prestosd> dang
[02:56] <stefg> dennda: oh, then they fixed it... was just a stupid duplicity of readme.txt between cupsys and libcups, nothing serious
[02:56] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: I have updated from the command prompt and it still didn't correct the problem
[02:56] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: then your mirror is outdated.
[02:56] <dennda> stefg: yes, i noticed. (launchpad sent me ~80 emails about this after I subscribed to the bug ;))
[02:57] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: use UK?
[02:57] <dennda> jimmacdonald: meaning: simply wait
[02:57] <stefg> so i just forced-overwrite install with dpkg and was done
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: use archive.u.c
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: but it will be slower
[02:58] <redheat> hello again
[02:58] <Hobbsee> jimmacdonald: as a lot of people already use that anyway
[02:58] <dennda> stefg: I didn't do that. I just didn't update that one package and waited until a fix was released
[02:58] <redheat> for like the million times
[02:58] <dennda> but of course, both ways work
[02:58] <redheat> guys why aren't the compizfusion settings working at all under Kubuntu?
[02:59] <redheat> I mean the settings manager is working fine, but there are no effects whatsoever the settings I choose
[03:00] <stefg> redheat: when did you last dist-upgrade ?
[03:00] <redheat> just like three minutes ago
[03:00] <redheat> they work excellently under ubuntu
[03:00] <stefg> redheat: you're probably missing your 3D enabled driver
[03:00] <redheat> but under Kubuntu a door know that
[03:00] <redheat> nope it working fine..
[03:01] <redheat> or can you show me how to enable it under kubuntu
[03:01] <redheat> because they're working fine under ubuntu
[03:01] <rothchild> update on my desktop has caused a spot of bother I've got 'device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda2 File system mounted or opened exclusively by and other program fsck died with exit status 8
[03:01] <redheat> gnome
[03:01] <redheat> that is
[03:01] <rothchild> and then a series of bash errors
[03:03] <redheat> stefg, are the settings working on your KDE ?
[03:04] <stefg> redheat: what's KDE ? :-)
[03:04] <soc> plans to update the radeon driver to 6.7.195?
[03:04] <redheat> kubuntu desktop
[03:04] <redheat> and gnome is the desktop that usually open after you install ubuntu..
[03:04] <stefg> redheat: i'm kidding... i don't touch KDE with a 10 foot pole
[03:04] <redheat> cool
[03:04] <redheat> how about a one-foot ruler
[03:05] <redheat> lol
[03:05] <redheat> anyhow, it should work, since the same settings could be found under both..
[03:05] <redheat> and they both have the same 3D driver
[03:06] <redheat> stefg, can you ask any of the other guys, if anyone of them uses compizfusion under KDE?
[03:07] <redheat> cause it's really a very good desktop..
[03:07] <nixternal> I know a few people who use Compiz-Fusion with KDE
[03:07] <redheat> :)
[03:07] <nixternal> I have given it a try as well
[03:07] <redheat> not even someone hiding under a table or behind an armchair
[03:08] <redheat> hey nix, sorry didn't notice you were talking to me..
[03:08] <redheat> sorry my friend
[03:08] <nixternal> hehe, no prob
[03:08] <redheat> it should work? that's what's puzzling me..it should work..everything is peachy under gnome desktop, but under KDE, it's not..
[03:09] <redheat> don't no why
[03:09] <nixternal> what problem are you having?
[03:09] <rothchild> won't let me manually mount sda2 to /home
[03:09] <redheat> no effects are working at all
[03:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:09] <redheat> sorry
[03:09] <redheat> wrong person..
[03:09] <nixternal> you installed the compiz-kde right?
[03:09] <redheat> sorry
[03:09] <redheat> yep
[03:09] <Hobbsee> redheat: c-f *sucks* under kde.
[03:09] <rothchild> /dev/sda2 already mounted or /home busy
[03:09] <redheat> I knew it..
[03:10] <redheat> you know guys..I guess its the same problem that Beryl used to have under KDE
[03:10] <nixternal> actually, it worked quite well for me and I am using Intel graphics
[03:10] <nixternal> manchicken uses it all of the time
[03:10] <redheat> remember that startup problem
[03:10] <redheat> where Beryl used startup automatically, but under KDE no way jose
[03:10] <nixternal> ahh, see I have never set it to start automatically because I never liked the effects all that much...except for like one or two of them
[03:11] <redheat> stefg, has an unswirvelling resistance against KDE...
[03:11] <stefg> is there #kubuntu+1, btw?
[03:11] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^ ahahah :)
[03:11] <redheat> which usually ends with the words...ewww
[03:11] <Hobbsee> stefg: yes, but it'd be quiet, so we put them in here
[03:11] <sbalneav> Oh, dear
[03:11] <redheat> LOL
[03:11] <redheat> lol
[03:11] <sbalneav> Just did my updates, and X won't start up.
[03:12] <redheat> yes..the leftovers are brushed over here
[03:12] <nixternal> that is awesome sbalneav :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: hiya!
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: which video card?
[03:12] <sbalneav> Intel
[03:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: move your xorg.conf and give it a shot...unless you are in the ATI hell
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uh oh.
[03:12] <nixternal> sbalneav: I did the updates as well and I have intel
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: what did you *do*?
[03:12] <sbalneav> "couldn't bind memory for front buffer"
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: bug bryce
[03:13] <nixternal> oh shoot, I am scared to reboot now...I have to give a talk here pretty soon
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you can find his number :P
[03:13] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Clicked on the little orange star up top :)
[03:13] <sbalneav> So, known problem then?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: nope
[03:13] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: my intel is working fine here.
[03:13] <sbalneav> Hm.
[03:13] <dennda> nixternal: if it's a laptop, put it on standby ;)
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: ask bryce to help you debug it.  he's the X guy.
[03:14] <sbalneav> He in here?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: tab completion suggests not
[03:14] <dennda> (mine now works with standby in gutsy. and I am pretty amazed. the laptop is in standby now without AC for almost two days at least)
[03:14] <arnath> somehow i dont have an eth0, only an eth1 and the eth1 is not working
[03:14] <arnath> (though it worked fine, on eth0 i presume, yesterday)
[03:14] <rothchild> hi can anyone help with my system failing to mount /dev/sdb2 (my /home folder) ?
[03:14] <sbalneav> Hm, I'll try debugging some more.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: he'll be in devland channels, though
[03:15] <rothchild> and a bunch of bash 'command not found'
[03:15] <redheat> folks, thank you all for your help for showing me how you all "ewww" KDE...thank you all and have a nice day..I'll try to head over to compizfusion and see what the fuss is all about
[03:15] <nixternal> sbalneav and Hobbsee: reboot now since I did updates recently
[03:16] <redheat> you all take care and have a nice day
[03:17] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: -intel driver, or the older one?
[03:17] <rothchild> what does it mean that /home is busy?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> rothchild: that something else is using it.  find what is by doing fuser /home
[03:17] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Both, seemingly
[03:17] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uhhh.
[03:17] <sbalneav> vesa still seems to work.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: try removing the non -intel one?
[03:18] <rothchild> fuser /home returns nothing
[03:18] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you should be able to kill xserver-xorg-video-i810, etc.
[03:18] <sbalneav> ok, I can try
[03:18] <Hobbsee> rothchild: try fuser -v /home
[03:19] <rothchild> still nothing
[03:19] <arnath> anyone know how to fix my eth1 problem?
[03:19] <sbalneav> urgh, not without removing video-all
[03:19] <Hobbsee> arnath: wired, wireless?
[03:20] <arnath> wired
[03:20] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: you dont need that anyway
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: check with another machine if it exists
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: er, if it's working at all
[03:20] <arnath> Hobbsee: i dont have an eth0 (though a reference to it pops in dmesg)
[03:20] <arnath> Hobbsee: check what?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> arnath: yeah, it got moved to eth1.  check if your access point is working by another means.
[03:20] <nixternal> xorg works fine here
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: not sure what you mean by checkin if my access point works?
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: the machine also has windows on it, and that works just fine online if thats what you mean
[03:21] <Hobbsee> arnath: right.  so it's definetly a problem with ubuntu, not with the access points - other machines can connect.
[03:21] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Nope, same.  "Couldn't bind memory for front buffer" :(
[03:21] <arnath> Hobbsee: yes definatly
[03:21] <sbalneav> I'll install links2, and google :)
[03:22] <arnath> Hobbsee: also, ubuntu had no problems with it yesterday, since then all that has changed is that ive installed windows on the other harddrive
[03:22] <Hobbsee> arnath: no idea
[03:22] <arnath> so basically...reinstall?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> not necessarily.  just that i dont know.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: does free show anything of interest?
[03:24] <arnath> yes well, seeing as i'm no linux wiz....i seem to have run out of options
[03:24] <Hobbsee> arnath: you may want to go for feisty
[03:24] <jimmacdonald> Hobbsee: everything I am seeing suggests a problem with the NVidia drivers... not that much of a problem. so I guess I will just leave it.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: uh oh
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: go back to your old kernel.
[03:25] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: Looks like, according to lkml it's a kernel problem
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:25] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/828214
[03:25] <Hobbsee> no idea if that's lynx-friendly
[03:25] <sbalneav> ok, i'll switch back to the old kernel
[03:25] <sbalneav> gimme 2 minutes....
[03:26] <rothchild> hmm a bunch of basic stuff isn't working it's telling me that /usr/bin is not included in the PATH environment variable
[03:26] <mahrellon> Hey guys. Is it normal that the last updates for Ubuntu GG T5 removes Nvidia GLX and the restricted-drivers (and rest-modules) making it unusable?
[03:27] <rothchild> when I restart it runs up x and gdm but fails because it can't find a home folder
[03:27] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[03:28] <mahrellon> rothchild go to a terminal (ALT+F2) and login as root. Then type "mkdir /home/username" to create one. =)
[03:28] <mahrellon> stefg, cheers m8. No wonder I'm in the middle of a reinstall now :D
[03:29] <katharos> hi, i'm having issues with my xorg.conf, i've just upgraded to gutsy
[03:29] <stefg> mahrellon: and dont try vga=791 or fancier framebufer resos
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: yes.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: if it's mid-kernel upload, yes.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: assuming youv'e updated today, from t5
[03:30] <katharos> I went to #ubuntu and they refferred me to here
[03:30] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, actually I updated last night and now I'm reinstalling :)
[03:30] <sbalneav> Ahhh, much better.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: which particular intel card, btw?
[03:30] <sbalneav> Errrm.
[03:30] <sbalneav> New mobo, hold on
[03:30] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:30] <mahrellon> So, basically. I'll just install Gutsy and not update for a while? That should work rite?
[03:31] <sbalneav> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[03:31] <sbalneav> G33
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mahrellon: or just wait until it's released
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: yeah, i thought so.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: it's http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/828214
[03:31] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: havent been able to raise kylem about it yet, although he's the one who's commented about it breaking in that thread.
[03:31] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, now that's something I just can't do m8. I fell in love with Gutsy the second I layed my geeky eyes on it :P
[03:31] <sbalneav> I went out and bought a new Dual Core mobo a week ago, and went out of my way to get intel video so things would "just work"
[03:32] <sbalneav> Irony, thy name is Linux :)
[03:32] <mahrellon> Hobbsee, thanks for the tips though. I'll take an hour or 5 minutes to ponder the situation and perhaps I'll go back to Ub-FF instead. =)
[03:32] <chong> sbalneav, heh at least yer disk controller isn't hardlocking the feisty AND gutsy kernel on boot ;)
[03:32] <mahrellon> B'bye all!
[03:32] <rothchild> mahrellon cunning but it doesn't help me get sda2 back
[03:32] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: haha.  looks like it was just that latest commit, changed in one place, not 2.
[03:33] <sbalneav> chong: That would suck mightily, yea verily.
[03:33] <chong> <-- stuck on edgy
[03:33] <chong> i'm getting the latest daily though since the bug report i've been tracking has been committed to the kernel package
[03:33] <mahrellon> rothchild, ah so you had a home partition? Logon as root through a terminal and run "fdisk -l" to see if it's still there and if it is just type "mount /dev/drivenr /home/username"
[03:34] <mahrellon> */dev/sda2
[03:34] <sbalneav> Hobbsee: So, Author: Zhenyu Wang <zhenyu.z.wang[at] intel.com> is the fellow I have to thank.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: looks like it.
[03:34] <mahrellon> Anyhow, I got to go.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: make sure you shove kylem at that thread, and about your X breaking
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: on monday, of course.
[03:35] <sbalneav> kylem's the kernel guy?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:35] <Hobbsee> he's also the kyle commenting in that thread.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: (he's one)
[03:35] <rothchild> gives dev/sda2 already mounted or /home busy
[03:36] <Hobbsee> rothchild: then do 'mount' and see where it's mounted.
[03:36] <rothchild> I'm going round in circles here
[03:36] <rothchild> doesn't list /dev/sda2
[03:37] <rothchild> got sda1 proc /sys varrun varlock udev devshm devpts and lrm
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hm
[03:38] <Hobbsee> um, what does the output of 'pwd' give you?
[03:38] <rothchild> pwd gives /
[03:39] <rothchild> why would it think home is 'busy' ? What does that mean
[03:39] <Hobbsee> good
[03:39] <Hobbsee> means it's busy.  being used by something else.
[03:39] <rothchild> lol ok I asked for th
[03:39] <rothchild> that
[03:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, well :)
[03:40] <rothchild> all this straight forward computer speak......
[03:40] <void^> 'cat /proc/mounts' and 'lsof -n /home' perhaps.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> rothchild: hm.  i'd say your system is screwed.
[03:40] <Assid> hey how come  its not easy to set wpa-psk (atleast not through gui) ?
[03:41] <hetauma> 2.6.22-13 will be the final kernel for gutsy?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: it is.  network manager
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hetauma: theoretically
[03:41] <katharos> Hey guys, can someone explain to me what bulletproof X is meant to do?
[03:41] <rothchild> cool! :-(
[03:41] <Assid> k.. friend of mine was trying it.. he said he couldnt get it
[03:41] <hetauma> Hobbsee, but we are past kernel freeze right ?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hetauma: yes, but there's a commit that's broken X
[03:41] <Hobbsee> for at least one person
[03:41] <Hobbsee> so that will need to be reverted.
[03:41] <Assid> Hobbsee: whats the new init or something ubuntu has that some linux communities are worked up about ?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Assid: google for upstart
[03:42] <Assid> thanks
[03:42] <hetauma> Hobbsee, I thought that the problem with broken X was the delay of aplying restricted-modules-13 to servers
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hetauma: some of it is.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hetauma: if it involves binary drivers, or restricted modules, it is.
[03:43] <katharos> when in upgraded to gutsy i hit the bulletproof X, and after i set it up and clicked ok, it looped back and showed it again
[03:43] <Assid> i dont get it.. why couldnt the regular sys V init do the job?
[03:43] <katharos> if i'm in the wrong channel, can someone just tell me to leave and i will
[03:45] <bintut> hello all..
[03:45] <Assid> okay i have a copy iof the 20070921 beta.. should i download the new iso instead ?
[03:45] <Assid> for a fresh install
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Assid: why would you?  it may not even work
[03:46] <hetauma> Hobbsee, any ideas if bulletproof X was supposed to edit xorg.conf and not keep any backup of the old one?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Assid: beta is known to work
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hetauma: no idea, but that sounds strange to me
[03:46] <Assid> Hobbsee: that one caused some issues t me.. i cant remember what
[03:46] <Assid> atleast on my desktop
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:47] <katharos> gutsy boots fine if i remove the xorg.conf, but nothing i've tried has got my nvidia drivers to work
[03:47] <bintut> i'm running ubuntu gutsy amd64 here and i'm looking for a xen package for this distro and basically a similar to debian etch's xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64
[03:47] <bintut> please advice..
[03:47] <Assid> decided to load it up on my lappy before i start using it on my desktop
[03:47] <hetauma> Hobbsee, that's what happened to me and after getting restricted-modules-13 and enabling again nvidia drivers I had to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to get rid of the failsafe values
[03:48] <Assid> i wonder if nvidia will start supporting linux more in light of AMD's open source movement
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hetauma: but that involves nvidia / ati crack, so anything could happen.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> (and which i dont care about, due to an intel card)
[03:48] <Assid> Hobbsee: doesnt gutsy use the new catalyst drivers?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Assid: see the part about me not caring about nvidia / ati video issues.
[03:49] <kane77> ehm.. was there some kind of upgrade problem yesterday? (I guess it was package cupsys that gave errors...)
[03:49] <Assid> intel card?
[03:49] <hetauma> Assid, hadn't nvidia been to that "open source movement" way before amd ?
[03:49] <Assid> onboard ?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kane77: already fixed.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Assid: yes
[03:49] <stefg> Currently broken in gutsy: Cupsys, restricted-modules for -13 kernel, framebuffer ,
[03:49] <Hobbsee> stefg: cupsys got fixed, it seems.
[03:49] <Assid> hetauma: well.. im sure they can push their drivers a bit more
[03:49] <Hobbsee> stefg: R-M is fixed, but hasnt propogated to all mirrors yet
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: framebuffer?  what's broken with that?
[03:50] <kane77> Hobbsee, okay.. I try upgrade again :)
[03:50] <FlyingPig> can i order butsy biggon right now?
[03:50] <stefg> Hobbsee: framebufer should be fixed with -13, but hasn't propagated as well
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: seems the mirrors are quite far otu at the moment - so people are still reporting issues days after they get fixed.
[03:50] <FlyingPig> gibbon sry
[03:50] <Hobbsee> FlyingPig: no.
[03:50] <FlyingPig> k
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: blame the mirrors.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> stefg: some are only updating every 12 hours.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> some every 24
[03:51] <ptn107> question... in gutsy how can I force synaptic (or apt) to force download a package and not install it, even if its already installed and i [accidentally]  deleted the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ptn107: man apt.  apt-get install -d foo
[03:51] <Hobbsee> iirc
[03:51] <Hobbsee> man apt will definetly tlel you that.
[03:52] <arnath> anyone know if you can counter overscan with linux?
[03:52] <ptn107> Hobbsee: doesnt work
[03:52] <Hobbsee> ptn107: why?
[03:52] <ptn107> Hobbsee: says its already at the newest version
[03:52] <Vorbote> ptn107: apt-get install --reinstall -d foo
[03:52] <ptn107> so it wont download it again
[03:52] <ptn107> tried that also
[03:52] <ptn107> same result
[03:52] <Hobbsee> apt-get -d, it seems
[03:53] <Vorbote> ptn107: then use aptitude reinstall -d
[03:53] <ptn107> k
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: requires reading.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: requires thought.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: unfortunately, the relative skill level of #ubuntu+1 seems to go *down* each release, not up.
[03:54] <rothchild> fingers crossed reinstalling from tribe 4
[03:54] <redheat>  guys
[03:54] <redheat> sorry for bugging you again
[03:54] <redheat> I just need to know how to reverse a commnad I did on terminal
[03:55] <Vorbote> Hobbsee: Sadly. I guess that's why my students are afraid, very afraid.... Bruhahaha!!!!
[03:55] <Hobbsee> redheat: run ./reversetheworld
[03:55] <majnoon> it STILL installing
[03:56] <majnoon> i started at midnight
[03:56] <redheat> Hobbsee it gives me bad command
[03:56] <redheat> the command I typed was compiz --replace
[03:56] <Hobbsee> redheat: duh.  look at what you wrote, and think about it
[03:56] <Hobbsee> ah, there!
[03:57] <Hobbsee> ok, to reverse that, run metacity --replace
[03:57] <ptn107> Vorbote: is there any way i can force it to also download all of the packages dependencies as well?
[03:58] <Vorbote> ptn107: not really. But you can track them all in Synaptic history logs and download them by hand.
[03:58] <Vorbote> One by one I mean
[03:58] <ptn107> Vorbote: yeah that was the route i wanted to avoid, but if theres no other way
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Vorbote: sounds like a possible candidate for apt on cd, depeneding on the requirements
[03:59] <ptn107> apt on cd only makes the cd from what i have in my archives folder though right
[03:59] <Vorbote> ptn107: there's always apt-cache show and apt-cache rdepends...
[03:59] <Vorbote> and apt-cache depends.
[03:59] <ptn107> cool
[04:00] <redheat> Hobbsee
[04:00] <majnoon> if too much coffee then it bathroom time
[04:00] <redheat> it worked thanks..
[04:00] <redheat> just one more help
[04:00] <stefg> Hobbsee: so the german mirror must just have synced....
[04:00] <Hobbsee> redheat: no problem
[04:00] <Hobbsee> stefg: no idea, i'm not german :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> stefg: but it may well have done
[04:01] <hetauma> in xorg.conf the inputdevice with driver "wacom" is what?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> tablet
[04:01] <majnoon> a touch pad iirr
[04:01] <hylje> drawing pad
[04:02] <stefg> Hobbsee: so australia must be last to sync , if you go by physical distance and bandwidth.... so i was just envious, you had the stuff already :-)
[04:02] <hetauma> so I guess I don't need it on my desktop right?
[04:02] <majnoon> nope it usually gives a warning
[04:02] <majnoon> it no hurt
[04:02] <Hobbsee> stefg: whoever said that the au mirror that i use hadnt synced, and whoever said that i was using the au mirror exclusively?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> stefg: i use 2 sets of mirrors, as i need the latest and greatest in terms of source packages and such.
[04:03] <majnoon> what country is cannonicol (sp) in ??
[04:03] <stefg> Hobbsee: by switching sources.list, or one fat sources.list with to sets of entries?
[04:04] <Vorbote> Has wxgtk broken with threading errors for anyone?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> stefg: the latter
[04:05] <Hobbsee> majnoon: it's registered to be in the isle of mann.  head office is in london.
[04:05] <hetauma> majnoon, (sp) ?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hetauma: unsure of spelling
[04:05] <majnoon> sp=spelling
[04:05] <bazhang> Man
[04:05] <hetauma> ahh!
[04:05] <Hobbsee> maniacmusician: canonical
[04:06] <majnoon> so uk mirrors prob be most up- to date
[04:06] <Assid> hey did openoffice 2.2.3 make it in gutsy
[04:06] <rothchild> I thought canonical were based in prague  for some reason?
[04:06] <Ominous> if we upgrade to gusty beta when gusty gets released will the change from beta to live be easy?
[04:06] <Assid> err.. 2.3
[04:07] <majnoon> probably
[04:07] <Assid> Ominous: dist-upgrade will do it
[04:07] <bazhang> Assid: hey!
[04:07] <Assid> hey bazhang
[04:08] <hetauma> majnoon, u simply choose main mirror
[04:08] <Assid> i normally use uk us and my country code
[04:09] <bazhang> Gutsy rocks.
[04:09] <majnoon> don't know it still upgrading
[04:09] <Assid> bazhang: ?
[04:09] <bazhang> *looks around for mod
[04:10] <bazhang> Assid: how's your Gutsy holding up?
[04:10] <Assid> removed it :(
[04:10] <bazhang> why
[04:10] <Assid> i use too many windows apps.. so i decided to just run it natively instead
[04:11] <bazhang> but you still plan on using Linux?
[04:11] <Assid> well.. my servers are all linux
[04:11] <Assid> all debian for that matter
[04:11] <bazhang> cool!
[04:11] <Assid> im thinking of loading up gutsy on my laptop tho
[04:11] <Assid> might just do it today
[04:12] <Assid> since im really in no mood to work
[04:12] <bazhang> it's nice, but watch out for the initial 300 updates..haha
[04:12] <Assid> i have a beta from 2007-09-21 .. im thinking of getting the newer beta before i start
[04:13] <bazhang> Assid: I think that's a tribe--then you are talking a thousand updates..
[04:13] <Assid> hehe
[04:13] <Assid> well.. my bandwith becomes cheaper post 9pm
[04:13] <Assid> its 7.45 now
[04:14] <bazhang> haha
[04:14] <bazhang> but you're going to waste all your time here instead..haha
[04:14] <bazhang> er I mean spend it productively here...
[04:18] <bintut> i'm running ubuntu gutsy amd64 here and i'm looking for a xen package for this distro and basically a similar to debian etch's xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64
[04:19] <bintut> what xen package then shall i install on gutsy? please advice. thanks.
[04:29] <scizzo-> hello everyone...is the nvidia module in gutsy broken?
[04:30] <bintut> scizzo-: what do you experience there?
[04:30] <scizzo-> bintut: kernel module
[04:30] <scizzo-> bintut: no kernel module found
[04:30] <bintut> scizzo-: i'm not sure on my side but my system keep on freezing
[04:30] <scizzo-> Linux psycho 2.6.22-12-server #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 19:25:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:30] <scizzo-> gah..that one is wrong
[04:30] <bintut> hhmmm.
[04:31] <scizzo-> bintut: at the gdm screen?
[04:32] <bintut> scizzo-: nope. after some time using this desktop, it just freezes
[04:32] <scizzo-> bintut: it seems that the last upgrade made the xorg go nuts....that it overwrite the xorg file I had
[04:32] <bintut> scizzo-: i don't know what's the problem here
[04:32] <ReL1K> anyones start menu and bar on top disappear after yesterdays updates?
[04:33] <scizzo-> bintut: not sure...it just doesn't find the kernel module here....hmmm maybe...hold on
[04:34] <scizzo-> might have found my problem
[04:34] <ReL1K> anyone know how to get the start menu and stuff back? :P
[04:35] <bazhang> ReL1K: yeah, two people were talking about it earlier today..arnath and someone else (forget who) they were going to file a bug report.
[04:35] <scizzo-> yes I found my problem....brb
[04:36] <ReL1K> bazhang: gotchya...doing more updates, will see if this fixes it
[04:36] <ReL1K> any idea how to manually add them back in the meantime?
[04:37] <Mahrellon> Hey, again, I'm currently reinstalling Ub-GG and I'm wondering if it's possible to update from any source with no broken packages?
[04:37] <bazhang> ReL1K: I think it's a bug for real--don't know if it's card related, or what--so far I've been spared..
[04:37] <bazhang> Mahrellon: as in ever?
[04:37] <ReL1K> bummer
[04:38] <Mahrellon> Well, my problem is that last nights updates sort of pwned my restricted-drivers-modules and some other stuff making my Ubuntu installation unusable so I'm reinstalling now and hoping to find some way to prevent it =)
[04:38] <Mahrellon> bazhang, only untill the real deal is out =)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: i think you want to wait until gutsy is released.
[04:39] <Mahrellon> Hey Hobbsee. It's really that bad eh? =(
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: no, just that you dont know what you're doing.
[04:39] <bazhang> Mahrellon: not at all!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: so for you, it'd be safer to wait until gutsy is released.
[04:40] <bazhang> get it now, and yes I know you will invoke 'works for me'; have at it!
[04:40] <Mahrellon> Hehe
[04:40] <Assid> actually te more people try a beta version.. the more chances of a good release
[04:40] <Mahrellon> There's really only one thing in GG that I really really need and that's DC++. Would it be possible to run Feisty and maby still grab the dc++ pack from GG?
[04:40] <bazhang> very true
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: assuming they know what they're doing, and dont waste time with basic support questions.
[04:41] <Assid> Hobbsee: pretty much
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Assid: if htey're in here, asking questions like it's #ubuntu, and not filing good bug reports, they're not actually helping much
[04:41] <Assid> well.. if its a real bug.. then they can pointed to bug report
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Assid: it's not a bug.  it's something that happens every single time the kernel gets bumped up a version.  yet still people file stupid bugs about it.
[04:42] <Mahrellon> I do fill out bug-reports when I stumble upon something I'm absolutely sure it's a bug.
[04:42] <Mahrellon> But, my last question. Is it possible to import/install GG packages in FF?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: 'it depends'
[04:43] <Mahrellon> Wise guy :P
[04:43] <Mahrellon> :)
[04:43] <spr0k3t> so it's safe to reboot now that restricted is released... yes?
[04:43] <bazhang> Hobbsee: hi!
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hi bazhang
[04:43] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: yes, assuming you have it installed
[04:43] <Mahrellon> spr0k3t, new restricted released today?
[04:43] <bazhang> sorry for my exuberance.
[04:44] <spr0k3t> ko, downloading now.
[04:44] <spr0k3t> thanks
[04:44] <Mahrellon> Hobbsee, My pardon. I thought you were a "guy" =)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:46] <bazhang> I'm changing my nick to install_Gutsy_now!!; too long?
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> Mahrellon: they did
[04:46] <Mahrellon> vmlinuz, YAY! Cheers m8. I'll stick with GG then. Thanks for saving my entire day m8
[04:46] <bazhang> Mahrellon: for nv cards?
[04:46] <bazhang> nvidia?
[04:46] <Mahrellon> bazhang, yeah, I have a 7950gt (NV)
[04:46] <vmlinuz`> Mahrellon: np, and its working perfectly
[04:46] <bintut> Mahrellon: what particular problem on nvidia?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> !stages
[04:47] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel  gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> there.
[04:47] <bazhang> Mahrellon: wow, that's a nice one. You'll enjoy Gutsy (only after a suitable time following the release, and not before).
[04:47] <Mahrellon> bintut, only that the package for restricted drivers was broken so I couldn't get glx (or anything related to it) to work. And I'm not hardcore enough to manually install drivers etc. I'm hoping to get there one day though =
[04:47] <Mahrellon> *=)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Mahrellon: NOTABUG.
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> I remember in feisty whenever i click on update manager, there wasn't really alot of updates, but in gutsy each day i click update manager and there are plenty of updates out there
[04:47] <vmlinuz`> interesting
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: because it's still in development
[04:48] <Mahrellon> bazhang, hehe. I did enjoy it untill last night :)
[04:48] <bazhang> hahahaha
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> Hobbsee: yea, but sometimes updating requires a system restart
[04:48] <vmlinuz`> which i dislike
[04:48] <bintut> mine is a geforce 7600gt. what i am experiencing here and maybe it's related to the nvidia driver but i'm not sure that my system freezes after sometime
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: well, duh.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> vmlinuz`: kernels do that.
[04:49] <Assid> you know compiz fusion just drops the fps big time
[04:49] <bazhang> bintut: very nice.
[04:49] <minimec> vmlinuz`: I agree with you. To much kernel updates...
[04:49] <Mahrellon> It's true.  Anyhow, thanks to the lot of you guys! I'll probably be back later. Thanks you all.
[04:49] <Assid> i tried it out earlier with my 8600GTS card
[04:49] <Assid> and it dropped by 1/2
[04:49] <KevlarSoul> I installed Ubuntu , it created a new partition, everything seemed to setup nicely, I rebooted, and it went to windows like I didnt install anything else? No Dual boot choice? I use Vista....anyone?
[04:49] <bazhang> what's a good game for (on topic, nothing to see here) Gutsy, as far as frames per second type game?
[04:49] <mmkassem> vmlinuz`: but it does not force to reboot, you can just reboot when you want.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> minimec: this is the firs tone in...a month, iirc?
[04:49] <Assid> KevlarSoul: sounds very similar
[04:49] <Assid> grub didnt install right
[04:49] <vmlinuz`> mmkassem: true
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid, I assume.
[04:50] <minimec> Hobbsee: You mean the first one this month? ;)
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid, no dual boot at all.
[04:50] <Assid> hrmm
[04:50] <KevlarSoul> Assid I checked the hard drive, and the partition is good.
[04:50] <Assid> weird
[04:51] <Assid> you didnt load it onto another drive by mistake did you
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> I loaded it onto another drive than the windows O/S
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> yes
[04:51] <Assid> well
[04:51] <Assid> then you need to boot onto that drive
[04:51] <bazhang> KevlarSoul: I'm guessing that's it an issue with GRUB, the bootloader.
[04:51] <Assid> as your primary boot device
[04:51] <Hobbsee> minimec: oh hmm, last kernel update which you had to reboot for was sept 16
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> Ahh
[04:51] <bintut> bazhang: what do you mean by very nice?
[04:51] <KevlarSoul> Well the only way I can do that is to set that in the bios
[04:52] <Assid> im guessing thats where your bootable partition is
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> right
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> I would have hoped the grub dual boot would have known that
[04:52] <Assid> pretty much.. or press F8 during bios boot to get a boot menu on the fly
[04:52] <Assid> Hobbsee: getting too geekiotic ?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> people are determined to declare the archive broken, when it's just their understanding of the way the world works that is faulty.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Assid: not really - just sick of explaining the same stuff over, and people not listening
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> So, anytime I want to use linux I should boot to the other hard drive
[04:52] <minimec> Hobbsee: hmmm... Problably I have to much gutsy installations to update...
[04:52] <KevlarSoul> not really very user friendly
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: so hopefully people will look at that factoid
[04:53] <bazhang> bintut: well, at the risk of raising someone's ire, the system is very smooth, and if you have a good, reaaally good graphics card--as you do, then the effects, the total experience will blow you away, or something like that. But only after it has been released.
[04:53] <Assid> add it to the bots
[04:53] <rothchild> what permissions should a users home folder have?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: already done.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Assid: already added to the topic, too
[04:53] <Assid> hrmm k
[04:54] <Assid> Hobbsee: just keep your trigger finger ready ;)
[04:54] <rothchild> !stages
[04:54] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> I thought GRUB or , maybe is there another boot loader I could use? , I thought those programs found the O/S on other hard drives
[04:54] <bazhang> haha
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> Can I edit the boot inin
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> boot ini
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> program manually?
[04:54] <KevlarSoul> in winblows?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> !grub | KevlarSoul
[04:54] <ubotu> KevlarSoul: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <bintut> bazhang: i see.. :)
[04:55] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: first link
[04:55] <scizzo-> weee fixed my X
[04:55] <scizzo-> :D
[04:55] <Assid> people should just use multiple mirrors
[04:55] <bazhang> bintut: cool..only eleven more days...
[04:55] <bazhang> yes!
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Assid: lots more people on the main mirror that way, though.
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> Thanks
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Assid: better for them to just slowly update, and learn to be patient.
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> but wait
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> Now that I think about it
[04:55] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: no idea if that covers vista
[04:55] <KevlarSoul> I could use the Dual boot with vista
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> right?
[04:56] <bintut> bazhang: i'm already running gutsy here.. but wondering this freezing up my system from time to time
[04:56] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: should do, if vista handles it
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> hrmm
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> have to find out if I can edit the boot ini
[04:56] <Assid> Hobbsee: yeah but it would prioritize and jump too right ?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: if it doesnt, then you'll have to whine to MS
[04:56] <bazhang> bintut: really high resolution?
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> yeah
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> I know
[04:56] <KevlarSoul> not looking forward to that
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: yeah, to some degree.
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Assid: sometimes apt is stupid
[04:58] <redheat> guys
[04:58] <redheat> hi again..
[04:58] <redheat> does ubuntu support scanners?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> some of htem
[04:58] <minimec> redheat: all the sane scanners.
[04:58] <KevlarSoul> oh Vista doesnt have a boot.ini
[04:58] <KevlarSoul> great
[04:58] <redheat> you mean the lunatic ones
[04:58] <redheat> are not supported
[04:58] <bazhang> KevlarSoul: when I dual boot, I always install the system I want least first, then Ubuntu; it is a really good neighbor; Vista, not so much.
[04:58] <redheat> damn
[04:59] <rothchild> what permissions should a users home folder have, I can't boot in to my old username cos xsession can't create folders or a ~/.gnome2 dir
[04:59] <redheat> I have an hp flatbed scanner
[04:59] <KevlarSoul> I installed vista first, then Ubunut
[04:59] <bazhang> redheat: how old?
[04:59] <KevlarSoul> Ubuntu
[04:59] <redheat> 3770
[04:59] <redheat> like 3 to 4 years old
[04:59] <minimec> redheat: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html
[05:00] <bazhang> redheat: HP stuff generally is really well supported. Don't know about that model, but you could run the liveCD and see if it gets/recognizes it.
[05:00] <bazhang> redheat: in Linux, that is (really well supported).
[05:00] <redheat> you know I thought when you said sane, you were kidding..there's a project calld sane scanners..?
[05:00] <redheat> ok
[05:00] <bintut> bazhang: yes. 24 @ 1440x900
[05:01] <Assid> Hobbsee: is uk one of the primaries ?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Assid: mirrors?  no
[05:01] <redheat> one last question, do we need to automatix in gutsy gibbon, and does it support it? and is it true that most of the applications that automatix used to grab will be included in future releases of ubuntu
[05:01] <bazhang> bintut: I tried my nvidia card at 2000 something by 1400 or 1600 something and it ran for a while, then blam--so I eased it down to 1200 something by 900 something.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> Assid: there's only one primary mirror
[05:01] <Hobbsee> !automatix | redheat
[05:01] <ubotu> redheat: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:02] <Hobbsee> redheat: you dont need it, you dont want it.
[05:02] <aka_youtube> join #ubuntu+1
[05:02] <aka_youtube> Hi
[05:02] <Assid> i;ll prolly update the sources.list to get from us uk and sg
[05:02] <bintut> bazhang: what do you mean by blam?
[05:02] <Assid> since india's mirror is just theoretical
[05:02] <aka_youtube> I have this weird update-manager bug...
[05:02] <redheat> ok..just fyi I used it through the previous release and it never broke or caused me anything at all
[05:02] <bazhang> redheat: need for Automatix at all.  blam as in crashed.
[05:03] <bazhang> oops no need.
[05:03] <bintut> bazhang: maybe this is what i'm experiencing.. but mine is freeze
[05:03] <aka_youtube> update-manager keeps removing my linux-restricted-modules...-generic file and I have to reinstall it manually
[05:03] <bazhang> bintut: well yes, as in can
[05:04] <bazhang> not use the computer, need hard re-start (sorry about the premature enter, new keyboard).
[05:04] <redheat> ok Hobbsee, I went over to compizfusion and posted a question about KDE and still waiting for their answer
[05:04] <redheat> anyhow, thank you all for your support and help guys/gals, truely appreciated
[05:04] <Assid> hrmm i wonder how well the mobility radeon will scale w/ compiz
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: i got internet working again on my linux computer, i isntalled another network card on it
[05:05] <bintut> bazhang: i see. that's what i am experiencing here. my system just freezes from time to time and i have to hard reboot my system
[05:05] <piotr_> !stages
[05:05] <bintut> bazhang: but the compiz+fusion here is perfectly working
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: is it normal that i have no eth0 thought?
[05:05] <aka_youtube> am i the only one with this update-manager bug?
[05:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:05] <Hobbsee> arnath: yeah
[05:05] <arnath> Hobbsee: they changed this in gutsy?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> aka_youtube: depends what it is...
[05:06] <Hobbsee> arnath: it's a bug.  it's now been fixed.
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: so if i do an upgrade, it should be back?
[05:06] <aka_youtube> it removes my restricted (video drivers) module when it updates
[05:06] <aka_youtube> ...and I have to reinstall manually
[05:06] <Hobbsee> arnath: it'll probably stay that way now
[05:06] <Hobbsee> aka_youtube: please see !stages
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: that...sux... :|
[05:06] <arnath> Hobbsee: would a reinstall fix it? (with latest gutsy then)
[05:07] <aka_youtube> !stages
[05:07] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> arnath: yes, if you're desperate enough to
[05:07] <arnath> Hobbsee: not atm, but if it dies again...
[05:07] <aka_youtube> thx hobbsee
[05:07] <spr0k3t> hmm, still having some problems with sound, anyone interested in helping?
[05:07] <ReL1K> darn it, even after the latest updates, my start menu and menu bar on top are gone
[05:07] <ReL1K> does anyone know how to re-add them?
[05:08] <arnath> Hobbsee: whats the difference between an upgrade then and reinstalling the new version? there must be a way to get the same effect without reinstalling, no?
[05:08] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: click in that area where the bar should be.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> arnath: i dont know the innards of udev and busybox anywhere near well enough to be able to answer that.
[05:08] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: just get the normal change desktop background etc. stuff
[05:09] <spr0k3t> hmm... checking
[05:09] <ReL1K> latest updates hosed my start menu and stuff, anyone know if its been posted?
[05:12] <spr0k3t> no bugs posted for gnome-panel
[05:12] <Hobbsee> check under compiz
[05:13] <ReL1K> dont have it running
[05:13] <ReL1K> and if i run gnome-panel, says its already running
[05:13] <rothchild> when I do ls -l what does the number between the permissions and the usr / grp represent?
[05:14] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: do a "killall gnome-panel"
[05:15] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: do that, if i run gnome panel, says its still running
[05:15] <ReL1K> heh this sucks :P
[05:15] <redheat> guys hi again
[05:15] <spr0k3t> it should start gnome-panel when the task is killed.
[05:15] <mmkassem> rothchild: number of items inside the folder, 1 if a file ..
[05:15] <spr0k3t> do you have any other panels?
[05:16] <bazhang> redheat: hi!
[05:16] <ReL1K> gotchya..still no menu then
[05:16] <ReL1K> nope, no panels at all spr0k3t
[05:16] <redheat> I know you're gonna pull your hair because of my questions, assuming there's any left
[05:16] <redheat> my question is about the sound device
[05:16] <rothchild> thanks mmkassem
[05:16] <redheat> I have a built in realtek sound device on my gigabyte ga-965p-ds3, now under devices I found two devices
[05:17] <humbolto> what do I need to do to make googleearth work well on compiz-fusion AIGLX nvidia?
[05:17] <redheat> intel HD, and realtek..which one to use, especially on gigabyte's website,
[05:17] <redheat> ok one of them has oss mixer next to it the other has alsa mixer which one to choose
[05:17] <ReL1K> anyone else go tany ideas?
[05:18] <Assid> humbolto: a good gfx card?
[05:18] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: what happens when you restart X? just curious
[05:19] <humbolto> Assid: works well without compiz active.
[05:19] <humbolto> stutters with compiz
[05:19] <ReL1K> ive restarted a couple times, nada
[05:19] <spr0k3t> humbolto: how big is your display and how much ram do you have on the card?
[05:19] <humbolto> Do I need the Composite Extension being enables_
[05:19] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: checking another option, hang on.
[05:20] <humbolto> spr0k3t: Nvidia TurboCache, I suppose there is only very little or no physical RAM at all on the card.
[05:20] <ReL1K> alt f2 works for me
[05:20] <Assid> humbolto: should help
[05:20] <spr0k3t> humbolto: screen resolution?
[05:20] <Assid> humbolto: also opengl just goes slower with compiz active
[05:21] <humbolto> spr0k3t: 1280x800
[05:22] <spr0k3t> I'm thinking he's tapped out his buffered range.  I can't view a video in full screen on my system as it goes blank... when I turn off compositing, I can view it across all three monitors without any problems.
[05:22] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: is there a way to add the menu's manually somewherE?
[05:22] <ReL1K> like in xfce, can just right click add a menu..wondering if they just got deleted or something?
[05:22] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: yeah, I think... I'm looking into that.
[05:22] <redheat> bazhang any ideas?
[05:23] <DM|> anyone there?
[05:23] <DM|> making sure im connected...
[05:23] <savvas> no
[05:23] <spr0k3t> don't know... I'm over here
[05:23] <DM|> Did anyone elses update bork restricted drivers?
[05:23] <savvas> :)
[05:23] <savvas> yep
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DM|: /topic
[05:23] <savvas> you and a big dozen
[05:23] <Hobbsee> !stages
[05:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:24] <spr0k3t> yeah, I rolled it back to -12
[05:24] <redheat> guys, does anyone know which sound card to use?
[05:24] <DM|> im running at 640x400 or something.. I cant hardly read my screen sorry
[05:24] <humbolto> what is it with the Composite Extension in xorg.conf? Do I need it for compiz? What do I need it for?
[05:24] <spr0k3t> Hobbsee has it.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: no, i dont.
[05:24] <spr0k3t> hehehe
[05:24] <redheat> I have an intel HD OSS mixer and a realtek alsa mixer which one?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: everyone who has it has a nvidia or ati card, and uses a restricted driver
[05:25] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: although i got hit by the lack of wifi (same cause)
[05:25] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: docs on gnome-panel are rather limited.
[05:25] <ReL1K> guess im pretty much hosed then heh
[05:25] <spr0k3t> Hobbsee: I got hit by both... it was about five minutes before I got it sorted out.
[05:25] <Suurorca> redheat: if you got the a new intel hda audio chip, I for one had to compile alsa-drivers to get the dman thing work
[05:26] <redheat> Surrorca, it works for me with no compiling whatsoever
[05:26] <spr0k3t> I'm going to try my other system ReL1K, can you give me your uname -r
[05:26] <redheat> http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2456
[05:26] <Suurorca> then I suppose you got an older chip then the HP laptop I bought last week ;)
[05:26] <humbolto> Uups, just crashed compiz.
[05:26] <Hobbsee> spr0k3t: it's a lesson to buy free hardware.
[05:26] <ReL1K> 2.6.22-13-generic
[05:26] <spr0k3t> k, when did you update?
[05:27] <ReL1K> i just updated recently, like 20 mins ago hoping it would fix the start menu issue, but i last updated yesterday around 5:00PM then shut it down
[05:27] <ReL1K> can i revert to a previous verison of gnome panel?
[05:27] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: k, going to try a couple tricks... ati, nvidia, or intel graphics?
[05:28] <ReL1K> intel graphics
[05:28] <ReL1K> gm965
[05:28] <spr0k3t> k... brb
[05:28] <spr0k3t> cool, got that chipset in one of the systems.
[05:29] <ReL1K> cool beans, thanks
[05:29] <bazhang> redheat: sorry! was away for a few...still having troubles?
[05:30] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: 64bit yes?
[05:30] <ReL1K> nope
[05:30] <ReL1K> 32
[05:30] <spr0k3t> k
[05:30] <redheat> I don't know the sound comes and goes
[05:30] <redheat> I don't know why
[05:30] <savvas> check your wires
[05:30] <redheat> did you have a look at my motherboard, and please no need for apology, I'm so sorry for bothering you all with my question
[05:33] <humbolto> is gutsy restarting compiz when it crashes?
[05:34] <Konam> hi
[05:34] <darrend> I'm getting browser crashes with both firefox and iceape on print-preview.  on any page.  anyone else?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> oh yay.  who was this person who filed a bug?
[05:36] <Hobbsee> !stages
[05:36] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Stephanvaningen.  not on irc apparently
[05:36] <DM|_> ok so i got my graphics card working again.. but i cant seem to get my resolution back. Doesnt the new Xorg clobber your settings? if so is there a backup somewhere i can replace?
[05:37] <chrissturm> hey, how is that feature called that suggests installing a package when a command is not found, and how do i enable it for zsh?
[05:39] <Konam> What is Visual (is in preferences-->sessions)?
[05:40] <savvas> Konam: sexy window jiggles
[05:40] <savvas> the world calls it 'compiz' :)
[05:41] <Starcraftmazter> lol
[05:41] <Konam> oh, i'm going to deactivate it :)
[05:41] <KevlarSoul> OKAY
[05:41] <Konam> savvas i'm having problems with the color of the background when i'm login
[05:41] <KevlarSoul> I found a fix
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> If you want to Add Ubuntu to your VISTA boot loader
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> use a free program called "EasyBCD"
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD is a gui front end to the boot sector of windows
[05:42] <Hobbsee> (eww, vista.)
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> it natively searches for LInux installs and puts them in the dual boot
[05:42] <Konam> savvas do you have any idea of what's causing this problem?
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> Im amazed at how simple it was.
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> So
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> Voila.
[05:42] <Konam> i have all the updates
[05:42] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD
[05:43] <savvas> Konam: nope
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> believe me, more and more people have Vista installed on the computers they buy
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> this will continue to popup
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> EasyBCD you can point to the drive you installed the ubuntu on...
[05:43] <KevlarSoul> and it creates the dual boot entry.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: please document it on the first link on !grub
[05:44] <ReL1K> anyone missing the gnome panel after updates?
[05:44] <KevlarSoul> I dont know how to do that?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: it's a wiki
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: you can edit it
[05:45] <hylje> hm what package brings in mercurial (hg)?
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> ahh
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> Well
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> okay
[05:45] <hylje> nvm
[05:45] <KevlarSoul> It says I have to login
[05:45] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: yes.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> so get an account.
[05:46] <KevlarSoul> ugh.
[05:47] <KevlarSoul> if you have an account just copypasta!
[05:48] <ReL1K> alright, good luck on beta guys im switching back to slackware :p
[05:48] <Hobbsee> KevlarSoul: might be useful for you to get an account - then you can document other things youv'e found - and report bugs.
[05:49] <savvas> ReL1K: we'll miss you :p
[05:49] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: looks like I gotta do the alternate install
[05:49] <ratpoison> so what's new on the <IP_ADDRESS> problem with video cards?
[05:49] <hylje> !stages
[05:49] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:49] <rothchild> ReL1k have you tried minimising something and then clicking where the bar should be?
[05:49] <ratpoison> 113 = 13 obv
[05:50] <rothchild> makes it re-appear for me
[05:50] <ReL1K> savvas: righttt :P
[05:50] <ReL1K> rothchild: yepper
[05:50] <ReL1K> nada
[05:50] <KevlarSoul> Hobbsee okay okay, im doing it :)
[05:50] <ReL1K> when i minimize something, its almost like its goign to the very bottom right corner
[05:50] <ReL1K> its strange
[05:51] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: have you deleted your config file for the gnome-panel?
[05:51] <savvas> ReL1K: what happened? gnome panel missing?
[05:51] <rothchild> Ihave it at first boot on my i810 lappie but moment I use anything it appears
[05:51] <ReL1K> no, how do i do that?
[05:51] <ReL1K> savvas: yea
[05:51] <ReL1K> not invisible
[05:51] <ReL1K> missing
[05:51] <savvas> ReL1K: alt-f2 killall gnome-panel
[05:51] <ReL1K> savvas, tried it
[05:51] <ReL1K> no go
[05:51] <savvas> then you must've deleted it or something
[05:51] <ratpoison> try double-clicking the space where your panel should be
[05:52] <ReL1K> the only thing that i did yesterday was apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:52] <ratpoison> for some reason, it seemed to work for me (discovered it by pure chance)
[05:52] <ReL1K> shut my computer down and turned it back on
[05:52] <ReL1K> ratpoison: tried that too, appreciate it
[05:52] <ReL1K> no luck
[05:53] <spr0k3t> hmm... I can't find where the config file is.  anyone know where to find it?
[05:54] <spr0k3t> for gnome-panel that is.
[05:54] <luca> hi
[05:54] <ReL1K> ~/.gconf/apps/panel
[05:54] <ReL1K> just removed it and reset it to default
[05:54] <ReL1K> nada
[05:54] <ratpoison> savvas: about the fglrx thingy: I opened restricted manager, and checked / unchecked (without reboot inbetween) the box that prompts for the use of fglrx. Will it be ok after I reboot?
[05:54] <luca> am I th only one for whom the daily updates have broken dual-core and Nvidia support?
[05:54] <spr0k3t> k, was worth a shot.
[05:55] <spr0k3t> luca: nope... it was a common issue
[05:55] <luca> it is I fear
[05:55] <savvas> ratpoison: probably, if not, then the restricted modules haven't arrived yet
[05:55] <ReL1K> anyone know where the user add menu is at?
[05:55] <ratpoison> how bout gconf-editor
[05:55] <ReL1K> the name of it?
[05:55] <luca> as modern as today :(
[05:55] <ratpoison> is it there?
[05:55] <ReL1K> without the start menu
[05:55] <ReL1K> guess i can useradd
[05:55] <ratpoison> try alt+f2 gconf-editor
[05:55] <luca> is there any way to fix the problem, besides waiting for a new update?
[05:56] <ratpoison> it's a graphical tool
[05:56] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: can you do alt+f1 by any chance?
[05:56] <spr0k3t> luca: it should be fixed... have you updated yet?
[05:56] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: yea but it brings down a white menu
[05:56] <ReL1K> nothing in it
[05:56] <spr0k3t> oh how odd
[05:56] <luca> spr0k3t today's update broke it
[05:56] <ratpoison> white menu? that seems kinda susicious
[05:57] <savvas> ReL1K: try to restart gdm. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:57] <ratpoison> try alt+f2 metacity --replace
[05:57] <ratpoison> (if you use compiz fusion that is)
[05:57] <luca> first ratpoison advice I guess :)
[05:57] <SuperQ> man, the keyboard shortcut stuff in gutsy is anoying
[05:57] <ReL1K> not using compiz
[05:57] <spr0k3t> luca: give me your uname -r
[05:57] <luca> a moment
[05:57] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: ?
[05:57] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: too many things controlling their own shortcuts
[05:58] <luca> spr0k3t: <IP_ADDRESS>-386
[05:58] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: ah, that I have to agree with.  but it's the same in most other operating systems...
[05:58] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: I noticed a new one: the search thing that is turned on by default now captures Alt-F3
[05:58] <savvas> ReL1K: have you tried to restart the desktop manager? the command is safer than the ctrl-alt-baskspace shortcut
[05:58] <SuperQ> spr0k3t: but isn't listed in gnome-keybinding-properties
[05:58] <spr0k3t> luca: which graphics card are you using?
[05:59] <ratpoison> Was altf3 used for anything else?
[05:59] <SuperQ> ratpoison: not that I'm awareof
[05:59] <nox-Hand> How do I make it install that version? The olde3r one
[05:59] <luca> spr0k3t: nvidia geforce 7300go, driver nvidia-glx-new
[05:59] <nox-Hand> I want an older version of ffmpeg installed
[05:59] <SuperQ> ratpoison: but I normally assign Alt F1-F4 to desktop switching
[05:59] <savvas> SuperQ: system > prefs > keyboard shortcuts.. happy editing :p
[05:59] <luca> I have installed also the nvidia-new-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common
[05:59] <nox-Hand> * ffmpeg  0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu4+medibuntu2
[05:59] <SuperQ> savvas: that's the problem
[05:59] <nox-Hand> But there is newer in apt
[05:59] <spr0k3t> SuperQ: odd, I would think f3 by itself would have something to do with search... but oh well.
[05:59] <nox-Hand> How do I make it use older?
[05:59] <ReL1K> savvas, rebooted a few times... gonna try something else
[06:00] <ReL1K> gonna add a user and try loading that profile, see if its mine that is hosed
[06:00] <SuperQ> savvas: the search box is not in gnome-keybinding-properties
[06:00] <pvandewyngaerde> i have an error with d3lphin, it trys to save bookmarks at closing, but that given an error
[06:00] <ratpoison> rebooting u guys and back in a sec
[06:00] <SuperQ> savvas: also, a lot of the compiz settings are not
[06:00] <pvandewyngaerde> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/pvandewyngaerde/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Toegang geweigerd. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[06:00] <savvas> SuperQ: the desktop switching is ctrl-alt-right or left
[06:01] <SuperQ> savvas: and are not editable without compiz manager
[06:01] <SuperQ> savvas: yes, that's the default
[06:01] <minimec> SuperQ: And if this was a Nautilus Key-Binding and you could find it in the nautilus section of gconf-editor?
[06:01] <savvas> SuperQ: the compiz settings are in the manager, compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:01] <bazhang> savvas: heya
[06:02] <ReL1K> spr0k3t/savvas, if i create a new user, start menu loads fine, must be my user account that is hosed
[06:02] <luca> any suggestion to recover nvidia and dual-core?
[06:02] <savvas> hi bazhang, you left before, and I can't remember what I wanted to say :p
[06:02] <ReL1K> there anyway to reinstall gnome settings to default on a profile?
[06:02] <savvas> ReL1K: go safe mode, see if there's something in the sessions
[06:02] <SuperQ> savvas: yes, and compizconfig-settings-manager is not installed by default
[06:02] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: that's good to know... make a backup of your .configs and restart
[06:03] <savvas> SuperQ: you can always install it.
[06:03] <SuperQ> savvas: I did ;)
[06:03] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: do i just delete the .configs (back them up first) then relaunch it?
[06:03] <savvas> then why are you complaining?! :P
[06:03] <savvas> you have the tools to change the shortcuts
[06:03] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: yeah, ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:03] <SuperQ> I'm trying to argue for usability for the non-power-user
[06:04] <SuperQ> which is why my next statement is: minimec: gconf-editor is not a valid solution for non-power-users
[06:04] <SuperQ> I think this is not something Ubuntu can fix on it's own either
[06:04] <bazhang> savvas: I forget too, haha
[06:04] <minimec> SuperQ: I agree with you... and ... it's not there ;)
[06:04] <SuperQ> this needs to be pushed upstream to Gnome
[06:04] <ReL1K> spr0k3t: thanks for the help, that did it
[06:05] <SuperQ> anything that captures global keybindings must be registered in the keybindings manager
[06:05] <ReL1K> removed the configs
[06:05] <ReL1K> restarted X
[06:05] <clusty> there was a proggie allowing to scan wireless networks, but cant remember name
[06:05] <ReL1K> all back to normal
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> Okay I edited the page
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:05] <KevlarSoul> I added the info on Vista
[06:05] <ReL1K> savvas: thanks as well
[06:05] <syke> hi
[06:05] <minimec> SuperQ: e17 uses the 'advanced user' policy with a button to make visible all the options. I like that...
[06:05] <syke> I upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and I have to kill udevd which takes up 70% of CPU spitting out these messages:
[06:05] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:05] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:06] <SuperQ> minimec: yea, I'm a fan of that UI model
[06:06] <majnoon> i love my radio card
[06:06] <spr0k3t> ReL1K: good to hear!
[06:06] <savvas> SuperQ: I believe that you'll get right on top of it to document your proposal for new key bindings/shortcut keys :) looking forward to read it
[06:06] <syke> how do I stop it trying to load dm-linear, and why did the upgrade cause this to happen?
[06:06] <syke> any help is greatly appreciated!
[06:06] <SuperQ> savvas: hehe
[06:07] <SuperQ> savvas: yea yea, I should
[06:07] <SuperQ> savvas: where should I register my proposal
[06:07] <savvas> try blueprints :P
[06:07] <SuperQ> ok
[06:07] <savvas> or the ubuntu forums
[06:08] <savvas> or.. the gnome.org ;)
[06:08] <SuperQ> heh
[06:08] <syke> is there an IRC channel for people who have paid canonical for support?
[06:08] <savvas> syke: you paid?
[06:08] <syke> savvas: yup, about a year ago
[06:09] <syke> I'm due for renewal next month :)
[06:09] <LjL> syke, i don't think there is an IRC channels, there are other means of support
[06:09] <LjL> !support
[06:09] <ratpoison> well update, on my experience with today's update. if you upgrade, reboot and your compiz fusion with ati & xgl doesn't work you can: either boot from the <IP_ADDRESS> kenrel OR check / uncheck the box on your restricted driver manager and reboot. everything will be working flawlessly
[06:09] <ubotu> the official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:09] <savvas> syke: I don't think gutsy is available as an option
[06:09] <savvas> read the /topic
[06:09] <syke> savvas: I was told to try gutsy to see if my bcm43xx chipset is supported better
[06:09] <savvas> syke: it's still BETA
[06:10] <bazhang> syke: wireless?
[06:10] <syke> I've had kubuntu since dapper and it has never worked with wpa2 on my chipset
[06:10] <savvas> i believe it means it's a public test release
[06:10] <syke> baz: yes
[06:10] <syke> sav: no need to be insulting, you know :(
[06:10] <SuperQ> yay! linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-13-generic finally exists :)
[06:10] <rothchild> broadcom wireless has been a PITA for some time
[06:11] <rothchild> skye have you tried ndiswrapper?
[06:11] <syke> I know, but my support person thinks it should work now
[06:11] <ChildX> is Flash installed by default in Gutsy?
[06:11] <savvas> syke: no offense, I'm just trying to tell you that the paid support doesn't cover probably the 7.10 gutsy gibbon beta release
[06:11] <syke> yes, but it slows down and stops working after a while when I use WPA2
[06:11] <syke> WEP (or no encryption) works fine
[06:12] <Aondo> ChildX  free the source, and it will :D
[06:12] <ratpoison> is there some nettiquette that you are aware of, about how many apt-get update 's you can do per day? e.g. in gentoo you are requested to use emerge --sync no more frequently than 1/day
[06:12] <minimec> syke: If Gutsy is not your first Ubuntu installation, you can try an installation. If not... wait two weeks.
[06:12] <LjL> ChildX: there is a spec to make *free* flash default.
[06:12] <syke> savvas: when the support person suggests I try upgrading, I do it. it actually helped for an issue I was having in edgy and allowed them to make sure siimlar issues were fixed before edgy was released
[06:12] <clusty> !stages
[06:12] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:13] <ratpoison> syke: we are not support personsL you should be aware that we are users like you
[06:13] <syke> ubotu: I've been seeing these udevd messages ever since I upgraded a week ago
[06:13] <syke> ha, talkin to the bot
[06:13] <clusty> :D
[06:13] <syke> ratpoison: I understand :)
[06:13] <ChildX> guys, in which directory are the wallpaper files of Ubuntu gutsy?
[06:13] <DM|> whats the command for setting resolution via terminal
[06:14] <ChildX> the default ones that is
[06:14] <ratpoison> in your home I think
[06:14] <DM|> !resolution
[06:14] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:14] <majnoon> syke, you only need to worry when it talks back ]
[06:14] <ratpoison> at least my swiftweasel puts them there
[06:14] <syke> minimec: on this laptop, I used gentoo for 2 years and then installed dapper. i've upgraded to edgy and feisty since then.
[06:14] <ChildX> ratpoison, swiftweasel?
[06:14] <syke> anyways
[06:14] <ChildX> are you refering to your brother perhaps? :)
[06:14] <syke> my udevd floods with these messags:
[06:14] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:14] <syke> [  379.608000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:15] <syke> any idea how I can fix it?
[06:15] <savvas> ChildX: google is our friend :p
[06:15] <Suurorca> yeah I get a lot of those, too :P
[06:15] <minimec> syke: As an advanced user you will have no problem with a gutsy installation... Believe me ;)
[06:15] <Suurorca> retarded back to old kernel since I was too tired to deal with it now :P
[06:15] <ratpoison> ChildX: swiftweasel = an optimised version of firefox. i THINK that it has also another name to avoid some licencing issues and make it in essence more free than firefox, but I don't speak much legalese to tell you more
[06:15] <syke> it basically works the same as feisty, except for this udevd issue
[06:16] <syke> those messages spin on forever, udevd takes up 70% of the CPU, and fills the disk with log messages
[06:16] <syke> minimec: it beats installing slackware 96 off of floppies ;)
[06:17] <ratpoison> ChildX: my 64bit OS would JUST NOT run the mozilla java plugin, and I then I came accross a script that installs swiftweasel that JUST WORKS with blackdown java (the working java plugin for 64bit OS)
[06:17] <savvas> syke: can you do this and post it on http://pastebin.ca - do: lspci -nv
[06:17] <minimec> syke: I admit that my gentoo experience was rather painfull. I preferred slackware.
[06:17] <majnoon> next step after upgrade,see if can stream from my radio card
[06:18] <ratpoison> seemes I pressed the X button by mistake
[06:18] <ratpoison> :)
[06:18] <majnoon> oops ??
[06:18] <ChildX> guys, in which directory are the wallpaper files of Ubuntu gutsy?
[06:18] <savvas> !
[06:18] <savvas> ah it
[06:18] <majnoon> hmmm
[06:19] <savvas> it's that dude that cursed
[06:19] <Pusur> I now have 3 different kernels, plus the recoverys in the GRUB. How do I remove atleast 1?
[06:19] <majnoon> INTERESTING question there Pusur
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> Pusur - edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst and set the # to show is what i do. i set it to be 4
[06:19] <syke> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/727997
[06:19] <rothchild> Pusur use synaptic and uninstall the unwanted ones
[06:19] <Assid> okay i dont mind helping out a few downloads
[06:20] <Assid> i got 1TB of bandwith in excess i am not using
[06:20] <syke> minimec: gentoo was great for me, worked better on my laptop and my husband's desktop than any other distro. it just seemed to atrophe quality-wise over time
[06:20] <savvas> Pusur: I'd suggest you leave them there for now, in case something bad happens
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> I agree with Savvas... leave them there for now. :)
[06:21] <majnoon> there lotsa time i needed older kernel to fix stuffs
[06:21] <syke> minimec: my husband still uses gentoo. once he got the combo printer/scanner/fax working, that was all he cared about ;)
[06:21] <savvas> syke: oops sorry, do that again with: lspci -nnv
[06:22] <majnoon> couple semi-noob questions #1 kernel ver change in gutsy ? #2 does it automatically download sources if yes ??
[06:22] <savvas> syke: and lsusb since we're there :P
[06:22] <minimec> syke: It was indeed the fastest Linux I had on my Laptop, but it was a pain for me to maintain...
[06:22] <bsm> hi, I'm running kubuntu with latest upgrades and cannot run openoffice.org... ** (process:7264): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[06:22] <xbehave> i have na problem with an encrypted root install!where should i go for help?
[06:23] <bsm> anyone able to run openoffice?
[06:23] <syke> savvas: lsusb shows basically nothing
[06:23] <syke> savvas: http://pastebin.ca/727999
[06:23] <VousDeux> I'm not sure I understand the relationship, but my xorg.conf has sections in it for wacom for a tablet pc. I don't have a tablet pc, so I try to delete these sections. When I reboot, I cannot connect to my WLAN. I restore the previous xorg.conf and the WLAN works again. Can anyone explain this to me?
[06:23] <minimec> bsm: yes
[06:24] <VousDeux> !xorg.conf
[06:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:24] <bsm> minimec: do you have a nvidia card?
[06:24] <savvas> syke: your ethernet connection works, but your wireless doesn't?
[06:24] <minimec> bsm: 7600 GS with nvidia-new twinmode, wm e17
[06:25] <bsm> minimec and are you running 2.3.0-1ubuntu2?
[06:25] <syke> savvas: correct. the wireless works in some configurations, just not WPA2.
[06:25] <syke> it starts to get encryption errors after a while and then just stops working
[06:25] <ratpoison> ChildX: isn't it in your home?
[06:26] <syke> savvas: I'd like to fix the udevd messages first, though. right now I have to kill udevd from a tty when I first log in or else it eats up all CPU and disk
[06:26] <ratpoison> it is in mine?
[06:26] <minimec> bsm: how do I get the vesion number with apt-cache search? ;)
[06:26] <ratpoison> (strike the " ? " )
[06:26] <daubers> Hey all, I've been trying to install gutsy-server on a Pentium M laptop, and the kernel panics saying the processor is too old for this kernel. How do I rectify this?
[06:26] <LjL> minimec: you don't, you need to show the package info
[06:26] <ratpoison> ChildX: did you run Firefox as root by any chance?
[06:26] <bsm> minimec dpkg -l | grep openoffice.org-base does it for me ;)
[06:26] <LjL> ratpoison, childx is e
[06:26] <LjL> gone
[06:26] <ratpoison> ...
[06:27] <bsm> minimec and which reps did you use for e17?
[06:27] <minimec> bsm: 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu2
[06:28] <bsm> minimec: thanks. damn.
[06:28] <bsm> :)
[06:28] <minimec> bsm: I switches to dunnewald. cvs was to much changes for me
[06:28] <bsm> minimec: whats dunnewald?
[06:29] <luca> hi
[06:29] <savvas> syke: what server repositories are you using? us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[06:29] <minimec> bsm: deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu gutsy e17 sorry ;)
[06:30] <bsm> ah dunnewind
[06:30] <luca> am I the only one with big problems with dual-core and nvidia today?
[06:31] <syke> savvas: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[06:31] <savvas> syke: well.. the only thing i can suggest now is to kill udevd by using sessions, system > preferences > sessions
[06:32] <Assid> hrmm.. why cant htey add raid and lvm support to the desktop as well instead of just the alternate?
[06:32] <syke> savvas: hm, ok. it did work before the upgrade. I guess that module is removed from the new kernel?
[06:33] <bsm> thanks minimec
[06:33] <savvas> syke: no idea, I'm a simple end user as you are :)
[06:33] <minimec> bsmnp
[06:33] <luca> syke savvas what modules are you talking about?
[06:34] <savvas> Assid: good question: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addquestion
[06:34] <syke> luca: my udevd is producing a lot of messages
[06:35] <luca> oh ok
[06:35] <Assid> also if you dont start with LVM support.. and later you add a new drive. BUT any drives henceforth you want with LVM.. how do you add that
[06:35] <DM|> anynone here use a 1680x1050 resolution? i need your assistance
[06:37] <DM|> anyone?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> I use that res on my desktop. it works fine.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> dident have to do anything. other then install teh nvidia drivers
[06:37] <DM|> can you pastebin your xorg.conf for me?
[06:38] <DM|> for some reason dpkg-reconfig isnt detecting my reso correctly
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> What video card ya got?
[06:38] <DM|> Vid card works fine, even compiz works , i just need a xorg.conf to copy from
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> well its on my OTHER machine. not this one.. so cant help ya at this time.
[06:38] <DM|> doh
[06:39] <DM|> anyone else use 1680x1050 resolution here?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> if i recall. my xorg.conf dident even list the res. it gets them from the monitor DVI/stuff some how.
[06:39] <benlake> hda_intel has been properly detected for my sound card, I've selected it in the Mixer, but I get no sound.... where might I start looking?
[06:39] <DM|> it lists it :)
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> you should be able to edit the line that has the4 modes and enter 1050xwhatever then.
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> Unless of course it thinks your monitor cant handle it.. for some reason
[06:40] <savvas> benlake: what are you trying to play?
[06:40] <benlake> mp3
[06:40] <DM|> Dr_Willis i have, they have so much extra crud in there i dont know if im getting everything
[06:40] <savvas> benlake: you have the codecs installed?
[06:41] <benlake> well VLC doesn't complain
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> DM|:  thats odd.. My xorg.conf is amazingly Minimal these days.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> seems every new release it gets smaller and smaller.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> If you got an nvidia card. I recall befor the res NOT gettting seen right - UNTILL i installed the nvidia drivers
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> well updates done.. gotta reboots.. bbl
[06:41] <savvas> benlake: try in totem
[06:42] <DM|> Dr_Willis thats the thing i can set it through nvidia-settings just fine, i just cant do it from screen res in ubuntu
[06:42] <DM|> Dr_Willis it got borked because of the last gutsy update to the kernel
[06:42] <Konam> !stages
[06:42] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:43] <DM|> konam please stop that,
[06:43] <Konam> stop what?
[06:43] <benlake> savvas:  alright.
[06:44] <DM|> konam stages, just because someone mentions kernel update doesnt call for a ubotu !comment
[06:44] <savvas> benlake: also check for unknown devices when you do: lspci
[06:44] <DM|> konam i just find it annoying and spams the channel unless someone truely needs it
[06:44] <jussi01> !botabuse > Konam
[06:44] <Wolfpaws> Hi. I want to try KDE4, but how do I put the option in the kdm menu?
[06:44] <Konam> DM| but i just did it once
[06:44] <Assid> kde4 ? beta ?
[06:44] <stdin> Wolfpaws: read the guide
[06:45] <luca> well actually it was useful to me, the stages I mean :)
[06:45] <Assid> kde beta on gutsy? scary
[06:45] <Wolfpaws> Assid: mhm
[06:45] <DM|> wolfpaws have you installed it? if so you can prolly select it from the "sessions" menu in KDM
[06:45] <luca> how much time does it take normally before the stages are completed when the kernel updates?
[06:45] <savvas> DM|: he wanted to say that the restricted modules for  your kernel might have not reached your repos
[06:45] <Wolfpaws> DM|: no such option... Unless... Do I need to restart X?
[06:45] <stdin> !kde4 | Wolfpaws, read the guide
[06:45] <Assid> id prolly wait for kde to go final before i try that
[06:45] <ubotu> Wolfpaws, read the guide: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[06:45] <DM|> wolfpaws have you just installed KDE4?
[06:46] <stdin> you have to add it
[06:46] <luca> I have installed it
[06:46] <Wolfpaws> yay, links. Thanks
[06:46] <luca> last beta is as daily unusable as the an alpha I fear :)
[06:46] <DM|> savvas sigh, but from what i said i wasnt asking a question just making a comment,
[06:46] <Konam> the gnome splash doesn't work here. i tried to set it but it crashed when i tried to log in
[06:46] <luca> I keep it installed only so that I am warned when an update arrives
[06:46] <stdin> less, the alpha at least had a launcher
[06:46] <Wolfpaws> I still want to have the sneak peek :)
[06:47] <Assid> anyone else here running kde4 with gutsy ?
[06:47] <redheat> hi guys
[06:47] <redheat> is Hobbsee around?
[06:47] <Assid> nah
[06:47] <Assid> shes gone
[06:47] <stdin> not at the moment, but it's installed
[06:47] <DM|> brb
[06:47] <Assid> stdin: issues with it ?
[06:47] <stdin> Assid: well, it doesn't work :p
[06:47] <benlake> savvas: I tried in totem, vlc, xine, and mplayer
[06:47] <redheat> ok thanks.
[06:47] <benlake> savvas: looking at lspci
[06:48] <Assid> stdin:  cant be that bad :|
[06:48] <stdin> Assid: there's no launcher atm, so you have to launch app by Alt-F2
[06:48] <stdin> ^
[06:48] <Assid> hrmm
[06:48] <savvas> ^^
[06:48] <benlake> savvas: what exactly do you mean by "unknown device"?
[06:48] <bazhang> stdin: you're not an op?
[06:48] <stdin> bazhang: not in this channel
[06:49] <bazhang> stdin: thanks!
[06:49] <stdin> thanks for not being an op? I'm not that bad ;)
[06:49] <Assid> stdin:  php
[06:50] <stdin> Assid:   abc
[06:50] <Assid> abc ?
[06:50] <stdin> aren't we just sending random letters? :p
[06:50] <Assid> errrrrrr no
[06:50] <savvas> benlake: something like this: 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6121 (rev b1)
[06:50] <redheat> guys sorry for bothering you again..in the sound settings what's the difference between OSS mixer and ALSA mixer
[06:51] <luca> how much time does it take to developers to get the restricted modules up and running?
[06:51] <stdin> Assid: then what's the "php" for (and I do know what php is btw)
[06:51] <benlake> savvas: nada, http://pastebin.org/4255
[06:51] <redheat> ?
[06:51] <Assid> !stages | luca
[06:51] <ubotu> luca: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[06:51] <rothchild> redheat I think OSS is depreciated
[06:51] <rothchild> you should probably use alsa
[06:52] <redheat> rothchild, as in inferior quality or as in software mode only?
[06:52] <redheat> I have two devices associated with them..
[06:52] <redheat> one of them called Intel HD, and the other Realtek...
[06:52] <redheat> which one of them is hardware and which one is software?
[06:52] <crdlb> redheat, there is alsa-oss emulation
[06:53] <crdlb> so that apps using the oss api still work with alsa
[06:53] <bazhang> robinson: update  will fix that.
[06:53] <Creationist> Well, once again Amarok is picking and choosing when it will start.  I don't need to make ANY changes to my system and it will just fail to start (although it offers absolutely no error messages as to why).  Anyone else able to shed any light on this?
[06:53] <robinson> thanks. I am running updates now
[06:53] <luca> bye
[06:53] <crdlb> redheat, so it's the same device
[06:53] <redheat> ok these are my system settings, I have a Creative X-Fi platinum external card, and I have another built-in card made by Realtek and it support
[06:53] <savvas> benlake: go to system > preferences > sound and test your cards there
[06:53] <redheat> intel HD
[06:54] <Dr_willis> THe Xi-Fi Card as far as i know - has ONLY linux drivers for 64bit Linux.. and  Im not sure if the external card is supported at all..
[06:54] <benlake> savvas: well I would if I weren't running Mythbunut :) they told me to come here
[06:54] <Dr_willis> the x-fi drivers just recently got released by creative..
[06:54] <robinson> in previous Kubuntus, i made a shortcut key to run "kfmclient openProfile home" to open my home directory
[06:54] <Dr_willis> as in last month lately..
[06:54] <robinson> what is the new command to do this with Dolphin?
[06:55] <redheat> this is my motherboard http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2456
[06:55] <savvas> benlake: you have gnome as desktop manager right?
[06:55] <DM|> Can someone here that is using 1680x1050 post their xorg.conf file
[06:55] <rothchild> *has a fear of creative cards
[06:55] <redheat> Creative have released no support whatsoever for a linux OS
[06:55] <Dr_willis> rothchild,  My Audigy2 is now on like its 5th machine. :)
[06:55] <redheat> it sucks and really bad
[06:56] <redheat> lol
[06:56] <rothchild> if you want a great soundcard check out www.echoaudio.com
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Got a few of the old SB-Lives around also.
[06:56] <benlake> savvas: xfce
[06:56] <rothchild> *shudders
[06:56] <Creationist> Heh, I've been using my SoundBlaster 16 for years... never needed a new one ;)
[06:56] <redheat> so crdlb, rothchild, guys do you think they both stand for the same device
[06:57] <redheat> no wonder, you're a creationist
[06:57] <redheat> :)
[06:57] <Creationist> lol
[06:57] <Creationist> Touche
[06:57] <crdlb> redheat, yes
[06:57] <redheat> lol
[06:57] <redheat> so they both stand for the same thing..
[06:57] <savvas> benlake: sorry, no idea then, I only know you can run that in gnome alternatively from the command line as gnome-sound-properties
[06:57] <crdlb> on my computer, the oss and alsa mixers have different model names
[06:57] <redheat> wow that's a relief..thank you both so much for your help..
[06:58] <redheat> and Creationist try to defossilize from time to time..see ya later and take care
[06:58] <stdin> robinson: you mean "kfmclient openURL" not "openProfile"
[06:58] <benlake> savvas: aight, thanks
[06:58] <rothchild> yeah it sounds like the creative card is just not recognised
[06:58] <robinson> historically, i used openProfile, i created a profile called "home"
[06:58] <robinson> but anyway, how does dolphin handle this?
[06:58] <clusty> can it be that my .bashrc does not get read when I log in?
[06:58] <Creationist> Anyone know how I can track down why Amarok will not start?  It isn't issuing any errors.
[06:59] <robinson> Creationist: delete the amarok config directory, then try to start it from a console
[06:59] <rothchild> Creationist what happens if you try to launch it from a terminal?
[06:59] <Creationist> rothchild: Nothing other than a message saying "Amarok is taking a long time to start.  Perhaps something went wrong?"
[07:00] <Creationist> I think that "error" message was written by a former Microsoft programmer.
[07:00] <savvas> lol
[07:00] <ratpoison> Creationist: did you try launging it from terminal?
[07:00] <ratpoison> launching*
[07:00] <minuoh> hi, is there a way safely downgrade to feisty? in gutsy my wireless stopped working and resume from suspend crashes all the time...
[07:00] <Creationist> ratpoison: Yes... see my comment to rothchild
[07:01] <savvas> Creationist: check out the /var/log/ directory
[07:01] <Dr_willis> clusty,  normally the .bash_profile gets read by a login shell. and normally that script then reads the .bashrc
[07:01] <rothchild> have you tried what robinson said (don't delete it maybe just move it out of the way for now)
[07:01] <ratpoison> Creationist: did you try reading Richard Dawkins? (it's a joke, sorry if It offends you)
[07:01] <Creationist> ratpoison: Yes, I have actually and the guy is a complete idiot.
[07:01] <savvas> Creationist: btw, maybe you have to kill a previous process, killall amarok
[07:01] <pbx> When X11 is running, my machine runs for one second and then pauses for .25 seconds. Repeat until insane. Is that familiar to anyone?
[07:01] <clusty> Dr_willis, dont have a bashprofile
[07:01] <DM|> Anyone here use 1680x1050 resolution?
[07:02] <robinson> i hope you're talking about Dawkins....
[07:02] <clusty> Dr_willis, i rename rc to profile?
[07:02] <robinson> i like to think moving the config directory is a good idea
[07:02] <Dr_willis> clusty,  hmm.. wonder where it went. :) my old isntall had one
[07:02] <VousDeux> in the Monitor & Display section of the System Settings, I can change the image format of my monitor to widescreen, but I cannot commit it from there. Is there something I can add to my xorg.conf to make this image format persistent to widescreen?
[07:02] <Creationist> hmm.... now Amarok doesn't issue any messages at all.
[07:02] <Bosambo> DM, Yeah I got that resolution
[07:02] <Dr_willis> clusty,  or make one and have it witbn 1 line. "source .bashrc'
[07:02] <pbx> It didn't happen in my initial install; it began after one safe-upgrade, then disappeared in a later one, and has come back with the latest (today)...
[07:02] <clusty> did it now :D
[07:02] <savvas> Creationist: check your system monitor
[07:02] <savvas> it may have a zombie amarok :)
[07:03] <Creationist> savvas: I have... it isn't already running.
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, no change
[07:03] <robinson> good point! may be multiple instances still running
[07:03] <savvas> ok
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, not even if i do a source .bashrc in a shell it inits my aliases
[07:03] <VousDeux> !widescreen
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <clusty> Dr_willis, used to work just fine
[07:03] <savvas> Creationist: try this: sudo grep -ri "amarok" /var/log/
[07:03] <Dr_willis> clusty,  try a xterm -ls
[07:04] <Dr_willis> clusty,  also toss in some 'echo "this is .bashrc"' or otehr lines to see whats getttign read where/when.
[07:04] <clusty> Dr_willis, no chage
[07:04] <savvas> Creationist: also: sudo grep -ri "amarok" /var/crash/
[07:04] <Dr_willis> clusty,  odd.. sounds like a potential bug here.
[07:04] <pbx> So I take it other people aren't experiencing this weird .25 second hang problem when running X?
[07:04] <Creationist> savvas: Last line in /var/log is /var/log/dpkg.log:2007-10-06 12:55:47 status installed amarok 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3
[07:04] <rothchild> VousDeux you could just edit xorg.conf to only have the resolution you need
[07:04] <Creationist> savvas: No results from /var/crash
[07:05] <Dr_willis> clusty,  the .bashrc has some comments on the 'proper' place to put your aliases even...
[07:05] <clusty> Dr_willis, the echo works
[07:05] <savvas> Creationist: maybe it's some dependencies: sudo apt-get -f install
[07:05] <VousDeux> rothchild, oh, so the image format list doesn't matter?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> clusty,  i jsut edited the .bashrc , uncommented the example ll, and other ls aliasls. and ran 'xterm' and it took them
[07:06] <clusty> Dr_willis, want me to post my .bashrc?
[07:06] <Creationist> savvas: Nope, that wasn't it.
[07:06] <minuoh> hat could be a reason for wireless networks stop showing in knetworkmanager? i still can see them in wifi-radar
[07:06] <rothchild> the only times I've had trouble with amarok it's cos it was snagging on certain files have you tried getting it to scan your collection in smaller chunks?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> xterm -ls also took them
[07:06] <savvas> Creationist: I'm out of ideas then, cheers :)
[07:06] <Creationist> savvas: It will start just fine every now and then (usually after a complete restart...but even then not always)
[07:06] <Dr_willis> clusty,  im just using the default .bashrc could try making a minimal one
[07:07] <robinson> Creationist: have you attempted to purge Amarok and reinstall? I know it is kind of a "windows" way, but worth a shot
[07:07] <clusty> Dr_willis, lemme try with a skel one
[07:07] <majnoon> upgrade been stuck on 5hrs left for 4 hours :(
[07:07] <rothchild> VousDeux I may have mis understood you are you saying that when you select a resolution setting it's not sticking to it?
[07:07] <savvas> Creationist: maybe it's a big folder for a media library? you'll have to clear the config files. try this: sudo remove --purge amarok && sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:08] <Creationist> robinson: I believe I've tried that... I know I've reinstalled, but I'll give it another shot.
[07:08] <robinson> check savvas' response
[07:08] <bazhang> Creationist: are you one?
[07:08] <VousDeux> rothchild, no, that's not it...there is an image format drop-down list that defaults to 'Standard 4:3', but my monitor is 'Widescreen 16:9'
[07:08] <savvas> maybe you'll have to go manually and delete it's folder in home dir
[07:08] <bazhang> I know off topic, sorry.
[07:08] <majnoon> make seperate partition for mp3's ??
[07:09] <Creationist> savvas robinson:  Hmm... says the amarok packages can not be authenticated... is that normal for a beta?
[07:09] <VousDeux> rothchild, when I change that list item, I am not given the opportunity to save my selection.
[07:09] <robinson> did you add some other sources?
[07:09] <robinson> to your apt source list, i mean
[07:09] <Creationist> robinson: Nope.
[07:10] <rothchild> what happens when you hit ok?
[07:10] <savvas> Creationist: apt-cache policy amarok
[07:10] <Creationist> bazhang: Yes, I am.
[07:10] <robinson> first beta for me, not sure. I usually get that message when i add "unofficial" sources
[07:10] <savvas> 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3 ?
[07:10] <VousDeux> rothchild, so I was wonding if there was a statement I could add to the xorg.conf that would accomplish this
[07:10] <clusty> Dr_willis, fokin ay. some bogus stuff was in the bashrc
[07:10] <robinson> be right back, gotta reboot to apply my updates.
[07:10] <clusty> Dr_willis, it was quitting before it was reacing en
[07:10] <bazhang> Creationist: that happened early in the update--nothing to worry about that I saw. no real complaints from others.
[07:10] <Creationist> Installed: 2:1.4.7-0ubuntu3
[07:10] <Bosambo> exit
[07:11] <bazhang> Bosambo: ?
[07:11] <savvas> Creationist: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install amarok
[07:11] <Creationist> Well, I've purged amarok and reinstalled... still won't start.
[07:11] <savvas> hm
[07:11] <VousDeux> rothchild, when I hit OK, the description for Monitor #1 will change to: Plug 'n' Play (widescreen), but I cannot commit the change at this point
[07:11] <savvas> Creationist: maybe you'll have to go manually and delete it's folder in home dir
[07:11] <Creationist> savvas: I've done that too ;)
[07:12] <savvas> I'm wiped out completely then :P
[07:12] <savvas> laters :P
[07:12] <Creationist> ...leads me to believe it isn't a configuration issue.
[07:12] <rothchild> VousDeux I don't think it will commit until x is restarted hitting OK writes it to xorgconf but it's not re-read until the x server restarts so you need to log out and log in again
[07:12] <VousDeux> rothchild, the next time I look at it, it will revert back to 'Standard 4:3'
[07:13] <WGGMk> so who else is 'lovin' Gusty
[07:13] <VousDeux> rothchild, the xorg.conf never gets written, and restarting X does not activate the setting
[07:13] <Creationist> WGGMk: Not I so far :(
[07:13] <Creationist> WGGMk: Well, I love the stuff that works :)
[07:13] <WGGMk> Creationist: whats up?
[07:13] <rothchild> dunno then, I've found monitors and screens to be a bit flakey and now just tend to hand edit xorg.conf
[07:13] <rothchild> maybe you should log a bug against it?
[07:14] <Creationist> WGGMk: Eh, just a few random quirks that no one knows how to fix.  Nothing major but right now I'm REALLY missing Amarok ;)
[07:14] <VousDeux> rothchild, that's why I thought maybe I could just edit the xorg.conf manually, but I have no idea what to add to the config
[07:14] <WGGMk> Creationist: Kubuntu eh?
[07:14] <Creationist> WGGMk: Yep.
[07:15] <WGGMk> Creationist: not a big KDE fan.. or id try and help ya out
[07:15] <rothchild> is your setup pretty straight forward (one monitor etc)?
[07:15] <Creationist> WGGMk: I tried Kubuntu back in Edgy, but when I realized the devs don't spend as much time on Kubuntu as Gnome, I switched to Ubuntu for Feisty.  But I like KDE, so I installed the Kubuntu Gutsy Beta ;)
[07:15] <VousDeux> rothchild, yes, as far as I know
[07:15] <Dr_willis> I tend to mixx and match kde/gnome ;)
[07:16] <WGGMk> Creationist: you know you can install KDE packages on Ubuntu
[07:16] <rothchild> OK I'll try to help but please be aware I'm not an expert
[07:16] <Creationist> savvas: Well, apparently there are updates to a ton of packes on my system that Adept didn't let me know about until I manually issued the apt-get update command.  So maybe this will help.
[07:16] <VousDeux> rothchild, acknowledged...thanks
[07:16] <rothchild> open a terminal and do sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:16] <Creationist> WGGMk: Yeah, but I like KDE packages - I don't like Gnome apps ;)
[07:17] <VousDeux> rothchild, I have it opened
[07:17] <ratpoison> Creationist: I use amarok and k3b on Gnome, no problem except my amarok crashed once
[07:17] <Creationist> WGGMk: And Dolphin, once they beat out the kinks, kicks the ass off of Nautilus and Konqueror as a file browser ;)
[07:17] <Creationist> ratpoison: No, I know there's no problem doing that.  But I prefer the KDE environment over Gnome.
[07:18] <rothchild> have a look at the section 'screens'
[07:19] <rothchild> 'screen' even
[07:19] <VousDeux> rothchild, I see it
[07:19] <Phrozen_One> hey all, why isn't ntfs-3g installed by default in tribe 3? (using xubuntu)
[07:19] <rothchild> you should see lines 'modes' that control  the resolution
[07:19] <VousDeux> rothchild, I do
[07:20] <viator> hey it keeps telling me composite extension not available does that mean i have to install xgl :(
[07:20] <rothchild> are there multiple lines of settings?
[07:20] <rothchild> resolutions
[07:20] <crdlb> viator, video card?
[07:20] <VousDeux> rothchild, there are
[07:20] <viator> its an old ati xpress 200m
[07:20] <crdlb> yes you need fglrx + Xgl
[07:20] <VousDeux> Modes      "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x800" "1280x1024" "1440x900" "1680x1050"
[07:21] <rothchild> which one do you want?
[07:21] <viator> hmm
[07:21] <VousDeux> rothchild, the only one that works is 1680x1050
[07:21] <clusty> can i run compiz fusion on a intel 950 chip?
[07:22] <rothchild> you mean when you select it from screens and monitors or that is the one you want?
[07:22] <crdlb> clusty, yes
[07:22] <clusty> crdlb, compiz whines when i am trying to enable it
[07:22] <clusty> crdlb, what do i need enabled to get it to work?
[07:22] <rothchild> basically just delete the ones you don't want
[07:23] <VousDeux> rothchild, I cannot change it, 1680x1050 is the only one that is available no matter what entry I make for Modes
[07:23] <viator> itd be nice if it happened automagicly for ppl using ati .....sigh
[07:23] <crdlb> clusty, can you elaborate on "whines"? :)
[07:23] <crdlb> viator, setting up Xgl is trivial on gutsy
[07:23] <rothchild> what are you trying to change?
[07:23] <clusty> crdlb, sais cannot do it :D
[07:23] <crdlb> just apt-get install xserver-xgl and you're done
[07:24] <crdlb> clusty, glxinfo|grep direct
[07:24] <crdlb> in a terminal
[07:24] <crdlb> what does that say?
[07:24] <VousDeux> rothchild, I want to change the Image format from 'Standard 4:3' to 'Widescreen 16:9'
[07:25] <rothchild> ok that is defined by the resolution though (Ie the relationship between the vertical and the horizontal resolution)
[07:25] <robinson> Creationist: did your amarok issue get resolved yet?
[07:25] <VousDeux> rothchild, the Modes issue, I think, is a seperate issue...of which I am not trying to address at the moment
[07:25] <rothchild> what is the default resolution for the screen you are trying to address?
[07:26] <VousDeux> 1680x1050
[07:27] <robinson> running Kubunty Gutsy on my laptop with Intel 945GM graphics. How do i enable direct rendering?
[07:27] <rothchild> so if x is set to that you are in 'widescreen' mode (I think! Does someone wanna set me straight on this?)
[07:28] <clusty> crdlb,  Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:28] <crdlb> ok
[07:28] <crdlb> clusty, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:28] <crdlb> !pastebin
[07:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:28] <VousDeux> rothchild, that seems logical, but I guess I don't understand why this 'Image format' list shows 'Standard 4:3' while I am running 1680x1050
[07:28] <VousDeux> rothchild, I just want to make sure there is no stretching or skewing going on
[07:29] <minuoh> please please i need help.. where do i start checking why wifi stopped working in gutsy?
[07:29] <Creationist> No, my amarok problem hasn't been fixed yet, but apparently there are 200 updates I didn't know about until manually trying an update ;)  So we'll see when those are done.
[07:29] <VousDeux> minuoh, try looking at the syslog
[07:29] <minuoh> i did
[07:30] <VousDeux> minuoh, does it work if you reboot...or just not at all?
[07:30] <clusty> crdlb, 1000 lines of logs here you go: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39777/
[07:30] <minuoh> VousDeux: it stopped working after resumed from suspend, and after that nothing helps, no reboots
[07:30] <minuoh> no noths
[07:30] <minuoh> nothing
[07:31] <clusty> crdlb, mind that i have one of those hybrid sony graphics
[07:31] <crdlb> clusty, you have the nvidia driver installed
[07:31] <minuoh> when i start NetworkManager --no-daemon, it shows activating eth0 (wired) but not eth1 (wifi)
[07:31] <minuoh> is there a configuration for it?
[07:31] <VousDeux> minuoh, without being an expert on the matter, I can only suggest that you review the logs...sorry
[07:31] <clusty> crdlb, i have 2 video cards
[07:31] <minuoh> wifi-radar sees the networks...
[07:31] <crdlb> clusty, hybrid as in switching between intel and nvidia?
[07:31] <clusty> yes
[07:32] <clusty> i am usiong now the driver i810
[07:32] <VousDeux> minuoh, It doesn't sound like the wifi driver is loaded
[07:32] <crdlb> well unfortunately it's impossible to have both the nvidia and intel driver installed with acceleration
[07:32] <crdlb> because the nvidia driver is proprietary
[07:32] <crdlb> and doesn't use mesa and the dri system
[07:32] <minuoh> VousDeux: how wifi-radar sees the networks?
[07:32] <clusty> crdlb, oki. got it: lost cause :D
[07:32] <minuoh> iwconfig shows eth1 as unassociated
[07:32] <rothchild> vousdeux that's fair enough but I think if the screen is supposed to be a certain resolution and is running at that resolution you should be ok
[07:33] <clusty> crdlb, any idea how to start debugging why suspend does not work?
[07:33] <VousDeux> minuoh, that's a good question...I was just going by what you said about seeing eth0, but not wlan0
[07:33] <nanonyme> clusty, yeah, ATI + intel might be a better pair in the future in that sort :)
[07:33] <bill_k> anyone know how well a gusty livecd works on a macbook pro?
[07:33] <nanonyme> livecd's always work slow
[07:33] <crdlb> clusty, nope, sorry, unless it only is broken with compiz enabled
[07:33] <VousDeux> rothchild, I appreciate your time, thanks
[07:34] <clusty> nanonyme, well wated to use intel card cause the nvidia one makes mu laptop howl quite badly :D
[07:34] <rothchild> no probs sorry I couldn't be more usefull
[07:34] <nanonyme> heh
[07:34] <bill_k> not concered about speed, just bugs and functionality
[07:34] <nanonyme> clusty, not very surprising
[07:34] <crdlb> clusty, you can, you just need to uninstall the nvidia driver :)
[07:34] <VousDeux> rothchild, I'm not even sure it is a problem either...it just doesn't look right
[07:35] <clusty> crdlb, is it a very bad idea to spin down the fans
[07:35] <crdlb> well they're spinning for a reason :)
[07:35] <clusty> :D
[07:35] <VousDeux> it seems like I just can't get several issues resolved, and issues with resolution is one of 'em
[07:36] <clusty> i ment like to start cooling strongly at 45
[07:36] <clusty> rather then 38 or so
[07:36] <nanonyme> bill_k, the stable release of gutsy is probably a better choice. that is, if you wait a while, you'll get to burn a better livecd, probably
[07:36] <bill_k> nanoyme: thanks
[07:37] <nanonyme> check link in topic to how long you'd have to wait
[07:37] <clusty> back to the howly nvidia :D
[07:37] <VousDeux> my issues are with my touch pad not being detected (it sorta works but cannot be configured), cannot change resolution, wifi will drop and cannot be re-established without a reboot, and power manager keeps trippin' out...any of these issues sound familiar to anyone?
[07:38] <bill_k> 12 days :)
[07:39] <nanonyme> + possibly a few days extra. dunno how fast the livecd's are made
[07:39] <Ben_Cs> hello
[07:39] <squidy> hello guys.. what's the best repository for eyecandies (compiz-fusion, whatever) to kubuntu gutsy?
[07:40] <Ben_Cs> i have a problem. my wired network connection drops randomly. had this problem with feisty as well. any suggestions?
[07:40] <bazhang> squidy: canonical's?
[07:40] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, have you tried another cable and/or port?
[07:41] <squidy> bazhang, i was using download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb when i was on feisty...
[07:41] <Darkligh1> I'm starting wine under Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10. When Wine creating him directory structure - my comp fully frosen. Helping only hard reboot from button on system block. In logs - clear. No one record from wine. Having ideas?
[07:41] <Darkligh1> hi all
[07:41] <bazhang> squidy: stay away from that and automatix/easyubuntu--no longer needed!
[07:42] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: no, but the connection doesn't drop when i dualboot to WinXP
[07:43] <squidy> bazhang, i never used automatix or something like that..
[07:43] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, fair enough
[07:43] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: i connect to another pc directly, and that pc shares the internet connection. that other pc runs WinXP
[07:43] <Darkligh1> anybody having problem with starting wine?
[07:43] <bazhang> tuxfamily is just as risky..it's all under canonical/ubuntu now.
[07:43] <squidy> bazhang, the official repository from cannonical has a compiz-fusion working well to kubuntu gutsy?
[07:44] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: someone suggested i get a switch, but i thought maybe there's another solution
[07:44] <bazhang> yes. very very well.  (looks around for hobbsee) get it now!
[07:45] <bazhang> yowch!
[07:45] <squidy> thanks dude :)
[07:45] <bazhang> no problem!!!
[07:46] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, I would be suspicios of ICS...it may be that since ICS is native to the Windows environment, that environment is more tollerent of errors. Using a router is the only way I can think of to eliminate that possibility.
[07:47] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: ICS ?!
[07:47] <VousDeux> Ben_Cs, Internet Connection Sharing
[07:47] <Ben_Cs> VousDeux: i see. ok thanks
[07:49] <clusty> found a solutionL underclock the nvidia
[07:51] <VousDeux> Another issue I should have mentioned before is that my Video RAM is shown as 256 kB, I have 512 MB...how can I fix that?
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: I think its in your Xorg.conf
[07:51] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: (if you have shared ram at least)
[07:51] <VousDeux> nosrednaekim, it's not shared, it's physical
[07:52] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: thats odd. hmmm :)
[07:52] <VousDeux> nomasteryoda, and I haven't encountered such a setting in the xorg.conf
[07:53] <nosrednaekim> my dear pupil, learn to file a bug you must.
[07:53] <Creationist> grrr... my damn Amarok is STILL not running!@
[07:53] <rothchild> anyone any good with gnome bluetooth?
[07:54] <Creationist> Sorry for the language... I'm a bit miffed. lol
[07:54] <Juggie> anyone know why add/remove off the application menu would not show all available software.
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: did you do updates?
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: run it from a terminal and look at the error
[07:54] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I installed all the updates hoping it would fix the problem.
[07:54] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: And running it in the terminal doesn't show any errors, just that "Amarok is talking a long time to load.  Perhaps something has gone wrong?"
[07:55] <VousDeux> does anyone have any idea how I can bet my integrated digital camera to work?
[07:55] <Creationist> I've purged and reinstalled, even manually deleted the config directory from amarok... nothing seems to work.
[07:55] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: did you search on launchpad for similar bugs?
[07:55] <rothchild> I can scan for the pc from the phone and offer a pairing, it asks for a key and the computer asks for the key all ok but then when I try to browse teh device from gnome it says it's not a valid location?
[07:55] <threethirty> hi all
[07:56] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Ah.. not yet.
[07:56] <nosrednaekim> hey threethirty
[07:56] <rothchild> the phone is a sony w850i if that helps
[07:57] <rothchild> creationist maybe it's time to try rhythmbox?
[07:57] <minuoh> how can i install a package of specific version? like network-manager 0.6.4-6ubuntu7 ?
[07:57] <Creationist> rothchild: I hate Rhythmbox
[07:57] <Creationist> nosrednaekim: Nothing on Launchpad for this
[07:58] <threethirty> last night i did the update that held back the resticted drivers, and today i updated and got them back.  Now my resolution is set to 1400x1050 when I need 1024x768, and the screen resolution app isn't changing it, any ideas?
[07:58] <nosrednaekim> Creationist: ask on #kubuntu-devel