[07:19] <soee> yofel: when upgrading to Plasma 5.5.4 on Wily, package plasma-widget-kimpanel is going to be removed i hope this is intended :)
[07:36] <soee> clivejo: yofel: i have upgraded to 5.5.4 (from staging ppa) here @ work my Wily system. All fine ;)
[07:39] <valorie> yay!
[08:03] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:14] <soee> hiho lordievader
[08:15] <soee> lordievader: @ home ? :)
[08:15] <lordievader> Jup, home, sweet home :)
[08:17] <soee> lordievader: i think best way to start this week would be testing Plasma 5.5.4 on Wily?
[08:17] <lordievader> Hehe, I might have time later today ;)
[08:19] <valorie> shouldn't it be moved from staging to landing or so?
[08:20] <soee> it is in staging, clivejo wanted 2-3 ppl to test it before moving to landing
[08:20] <valorie> ok
[08:20] <soee> it is tested by me and some other user i cant remember name right now
[08:20] <valorie> I was going to test it, but some others spoke up
[08:21] <valorie> and I was busy last night and today both
[08:21] <soee> sure thing :) we can handle it
[08:22] <soee> but this is pretty safe update
[08:22] <soee> as it is onlt bugfix release
[08:22] <valorie> yup
[08:22] <valorie> it went well on my xenial box
[08:22] <valorie> smooth as butter
[10:29] <clivejo> soee: :)
[10:31] <clivejo> yofel: is it ok to copy plasma 5.5.4 to backports landing ?  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports-landing here?
[10:32] <clivejo> yo yo Phil !!
[10:37] <lordievader> clivejo: If you need more testers, I should have time to test this afternoon.
[10:38] <clivejo> just wanted a couple of people to test the update
[10:38] <clivejo> I dont have wily to test it myself
[10:38] <lordievader> That is what I mean, I have a test box with Wil (+backports)
[10:40] <clivejo> if I can get a nod or a wink from sgclark or yofel, Ill move them to landing
[10:41] <morphis> yofel: ping
[10:52] <sitter> clivejo: java.io.IOException: Can't connect to server
[10:52] <sitter> not entirely sure why though
[10:54] <morphis> yofel: you already had time to drop the hybris-dep from kwin in xenial?
[10:54] <clivejo> sitter: theres been a few netsplits over the last few days
[10:55] <sitter> yeah, but I just trigged the plugin to re-init
[10:55] <clivejo> oh
[10:58] <clivejo> sitter: regarding KCI, it is trying to merge into kubuntu_stable branch of kdeconnect-plasma, but that branch doesnt exist.  should there be one?
[11:00] <sitter> probably
[11:03] <sitter> clivejo: it appears to me that the plugin might be bugged or something because of netsplits
[11:03] <sitter> I put the CI in maintenance mode. once it is done building the things it is still working on give me a poke and I'll do some maintenance
[11:04] <clivejo> it was able to connect via kubuntu-ci-i ?
[11:05] <sitter> yeah
[11:05] <sitter> but
[11:05] <sitter> it thinks it is still in the channel
[11:06] <sitter> hence why I think it is bugged out
[11:14] <Quintasan> clivejo: poke me once you move them to landing so I can test on willy
[11:15] <clivejo> Quintasan: only one l :P
[11:17] <Quintasan> welp
[11:17] <Quintasan> upgrading from backports removes muon and pam-kwallet{4,5}
[11:19] <soee> true
[11:21] <Quintasan> oh
[11:21] <Quintasan> it's pulling libpam-kwallet though
[11:21] <Quintasan> So why is muon getting removed it beyond me.
[11:22]  * clivejo pokes sitter
[11:23] <clivejo> sitter: was the package counter disabled for performance or some other reason?
[11:24] <Quintasan> libdiscovercommon depends on libmuon < 5.5.3a
[11:24] <Quintasan> eh
[11:24] <sitter> clivejo: package counter?
[11:25] <clivejo> its used to have "senile FIX (151)"
[11:25] <clivejo> in each tab
[11:25] <sitter> no clue, wasn't intentionally removed by me anyway
[11:27] <clivejo> oh
[11:28] <sitter> irc still doesn't want to connect
[11:30] <sitter> ah, no auth and freenode doesn't like the data center I guess
[11:37] <soee> Quintasan: muon is unmaintained if you asked about it, that is why it gets removed
[11:37] <soee> but some people tend to remove discover and install muon - than it works
[11:38] <sitter> 11:38 !leguin.freenode.net *** Notice -- You need to identify via SASL to use this server
[11:38] <clivejo> sitter: is that a new requirement?
[11:38] <sitter> clivejo: you'll probably have to talk to a freenode staffer. it appears the amazon web services datacenter was spammy so they made it require sasl
[11:39] <sitter> it appears to me jenkins' irc plugin doesn't support sasl though, so
[11:39] <clivejo> can they make an exception?
[11:39] <sitter> you'll have to talk to a staffer about that
[11:39] <sitter> not much I can do
[11:40] <clivejo> ok, Ill try
[11:40] <sitter> yofel, sgclark, clivejo: kci fully upgraded to jenkins 1.646 FTR
[11:41] <soee> isnt there some work on jenkins 2.0 ?
[11:41] <soee> were they on FOSDEM ?
[11:42] <sitter> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Jenkins+2.0
[11:43] <soee> sitter: thanks
[11:54] <clivejo> soee: appears FreeNode wont make an exception
[11:55] <clivejo> could we use a proxy, or maybe a KDE BNC?
[11:57] <soee> sitter: ^
[12:01] <clivejo> !info libtelepathy-qt5-dev xenial
[12:03] <sitter> clivejo: we can use either if you get something set up ;)
[13:02] <lordievader> soee, clivejo: Which ppa did you want me to test?
[13:03] <soee> lordievader: plasma-staging
[13:03] <soee> there is 5.5.4 for Wily
[13:04] <lordievader> Oke, will do.
[13:07] <lordievader> Updating now :)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:38] <clivejo> sitter: can the package count be turned back on?
[13:50] <lordievader> soee, clivejo: Updated to 5.5.4 without trouble. Rebooted and see no issues. :)
[13:50] <clivejo> lordievader: :)
[13:50] <clivejo> I is happy!
[13:51] <lordievader> Nice work :)
[13:52] <clivejo> standing on the shoulders of giants!
[13:53] <clivejo> anyone know if Riddell's talk has been published yet?
[13:54] <soee> nope, he said it might take couple of days
[14:10] <sitter> clivejo: needs another restart
[14:11] <clivejo> sitter: to enable to counts?
[14:11] <sitter> yes
[14:11] <clivejo> ah
[14:11] <clivejo> was it disabled for performance issues?
[14:11] <sitter> I don't know
[14:12] <clivejo> its handy to see the count, as I can see the packages decrease if and when a package is fixed
[14:15] <vip> clivejo: i've connected second monitor after unsuspending, still needed to xrandr in console, to kde detect it (gotta go, bye)
[14:25] <lordievader> Hmpf, Wily's installer crashed. It tried to overwrite some locale file...
[14:25] <lordievader> Might have been the update tick.
[14:28] <soee> i tried 3 times yesterday to install it in VB
[14:28] <soee> 3 time crash
[14:38] <acher88> kubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[14:41] <soee> yup, wrom website download secion
[14:41] <acher88> just going to try again
[14:53] <acher88> lordievader:http://i.imgur.com/SxkCzNF.png
[14:54] <acher88> maybe there is something buggy in your locale packages/updates?
[14:54] <acher88> I select en-gb UK
[14:54] <acher88> seems to go fine
[15:05] <lordievader> It might be that my image is outdated.
[15:05] <lordievader> I'll redownload it at some point.
[15:25] <clivejo> sitter: how do you update package list on KCI?  For example http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_discover/ is failing as the name has been changed to plasma-discover - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/plasma-discover.git/
[15:27] <BluesKaj> i mistakenly installed the linux 4.4 Wily kernel on my Xenial install, everything seemed to work ok, but I removed the kernel anyway. I'm a bit confused as to why it worked so well, any ideas ?  :-)
[15:28] <BluesKaj> uses the dsame kernel modules perhaps?
[15:34] <acher88> kernels often work fine on adjacent or not too distant releases from the one they were compiled for
[15:35] <clivejo> same with a lot of packages too
[16:02] <lordievader> Ubuntu Trusty works fine with 4.4 kernels too ;) (For non X uses anyways)
[16:25] <lordievader> Oeh, I guess my Wily installer was OLD. Even Ubiquity looks differen XD
[16:25] <lordievader> different*
[16:38] <lordievader> Hmm, still get the error 'trying to overwrite \'/usr/sbin/validlocale\', which is also in libc-bin 2.21-0ubuntu4' error message.
[16:39] <sgclark> lordievader: that needs to be reported, we don't package libc
[16:39] <lordievader> Check, will do.
[16:41] <acher88> one the wily iso still?
[16:42] <lordievader> Yes.
[16:45] <acher88> weird
[16:46] <acher88> there's only that version in wily as far as I can see, so unless it's trying to overwrite itself, not sure what is going on
[17:16] <acher88> welcome back bot
[18:16] <lordievader> Would it be that the previous install on the live-stick is causing the error...
[18:17]  * lordievader goes to test.
[18:34] <acher88> I always install straight from the iso with virtiualbox
[18:39] <lordievader> Hmm, another error this time. Something with initramfs failing. I guess I'll look at it tomorrow in more detail.
[18:43] <acher88> you are using latest virtualbox, yes?
[18:44] <lordievader> I am not using Virtualbox, real hardware.
[18:44] <acher88> ah, must have misread
[18:45] <soee> i see Kernel 4.4 in archive
[18:45] <acher88> oh, it was soee who was trying in VB. You both replied one after the other earlier
[18:46] <acher88> 4.4 was in proposed for xenial the other day
[18:47] <acher88> gone to release 6 hrs ago according to LP
[19:19] <clivejo> sitter: did you fix the bot?
[19:26] <clivejo> or did it become self aware and fix itself?
[19:30] <yofel> clivejo: go ahead
[19:30] <yofel> (In case you're still waiting)
[19:31] <yofel> Quintasan: muon is not a part of discover anymore
[19:31] <yofel> so unless there's a seperate muon release, it's gone
[19:36] <clivejo> yo Phil!!
[19:36] <clivejo> hows you?
[19:37] <yofel> First day in a new project today, so couldn't be online all day. Might stay that way for the rest of the week
[19:38] <clivejo> did you get your MySQL thing sorted?
[19:39] <yofel> yep, porting everything to utf8 went faster than expected.
[19:47] <clivejo> yofel: could you go over the moving packages between PPA's again
[19:47] <clivejo> I dont seem to have wrote it down
[19:48] <yofel> use kopypackages from kubuntu-dev-tools
[19:48] <clivejo> oh I did
[19:48] <clivejo> too many "notes"
[19:51] <clivejo> yofel:  ./kopypackages -a ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma wily ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing wily ?
[19:52] <yofel> looks right
[19:53] <clivejo> it seems to be copying frameworks too, is that okay?
[19:55] <clivejo> I dont like the look of this output!
[19:56] <clivejo> yofel: https://paste.kde.org/pju2mzywe
[19:56] <clivejo> Requesting copy of unity8 8.11+15.10.20151009-0ubuntu2~wily1~qt551~1+hackQML ?
[20:04] <clivejo> what is unity8 doing in staging-plasma?
[20:04] <yofel> got in with qt5
[20:05] <clivejo> is that ok?
[20:07] <yofel> yes
[20:07] <clivejo> phew
[20:07]  * clivejo stops sweating
[20:25] <nicols> evening!
[20:25] <clivejo> hi nicols
[20:25] <nicols> hi
[20:27] <clivejo> yofel: I think files have been published now
[20:29] <nicols> can i help with something? rest something? i see a big update in wily atm
[20:29] <nicols> it is 5.5.4?
[20:29] <clivejo> you can try plasma 5.5.4 in landing-backports
[20:31] <nicols> i am stupid :) ... i was sure i have removed landing, but apparently i did not :)
[20:32]  * nicols is checking changelogs :)
[20:42] <clivejo> soee: can you call for testers?
[20:43] <soee> clivejo: well there is this command: testers
[20:43] <soee> but i'm not sure how many active testers we have
[20:43] <soee> i say it's tested enough to release it
[20:45] <soee> yofel: ^ what do you think ?
[20:51]  * nicols must reboot :)
[21:51] <yofel> clivejo, soee: Looks fine from a quick dep test here. I can't do any UI testing this week, so I'll trusty you guys on that
[21:51] <clivejo> yofel: I havent tested it personally
[21:53] <clivejo> Id like a few more people to test it in landing before its moved
[21:53] <yofel> ack
[22:17] <clivejo> yofel sgclark: can you suggest where these missing files are supposed to be ?  - https://paste.kde.org/pomnuw9km
[22:45] <clivejo> or even point me in the direction of where I can find out!
[23:12] <valorie> weeee, upgrading via landing-backports
[23:13]  * clivejo crosses fingers


[01:51] <b4udv8> when I type ./config i get no such file or directory. what gives?
[02:43] <Guest82739> Hello all.  First time installing Linux.  Looking for help installing wireless drivers.
[10:50] <TaZeR> this is one of the best channels in the world actually
[11:06] <ouroumov_> TaZeR, uh?
[11:07] <TaZeR> because the best distro in the world was born here
[11:07] <ouroumov_> I don't think it was born in the channel xD
[11:07] <TaZeR> its a holy place
[11:07] <TaZeR> haha
[11:07] <ouroumov_> I think it was born in Martin's kitchen
[11:08] <TaZeR> martin is my friend =)
[13:27] <jonas_> hi
[14:18] <biplab> hello forum. Facing issues with FLASH DRIVE read-only mode. any solutions will be highly appreciated.
[14:19] <biplab> flash drive always mounts read-only. :(
[18:56] <bogdan> #flexiondotorg Hi, I noticed something in Software Boutique: some programs repeat itself sometime on the same page... have you notice this, or do I nedd to make a preent screen?
[21:53] <chuckmate> Hi,  first post here,  where can I find instructions to share ubuntu mate computer with win 10 computer seamlessly?  thank you
[21:53] <chuckmate> I really like Mate,  Printers are working pretty well to.
[23:22] <rthornton> say I decided to try out 17.04
[23:22] <rthornton> But spyder3 will not work properly
[23:22] <rthornton> missing dependencies uch as rope
[23:23] <rthornton> it worked fine under 16.04
[23:38] <jin> I see the software went into bulk queue, then what? How to trigger the install?
[23:50] <sisyphus> jin: what do you mean by 'went into bulk queue'? What command did you try to install the software?


[09:41] <pwnguin> so i guess it's getting close to hug day
[09:42] <james_w> pwnguin: wrong, it is hug day! :-)
[09:42]  * james_w hugs pwnguin
[09:42] <pwnguin> heh
[09:43] <pwnguin> well, ive got this pet bug
[09:43] <pwnguin> #137686
[09:43] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:43] <pwnguin> I have a built-in card reader in my laptop. It's a TI model, it worked in edgy with the sdhci module, but in feisty and gutsy, it didn't work anymore, either with the sdhci drivers, or with the tifm drivers, even using the infamous "setpci hack" mentioned in bug #53923 and its duplicates to re-enable the sdhci drivers. In some feisty pre-release, it worked out-of-the-box on the live cd (I can still remember my "oooh" of wonder when seeing the sd
[09:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53923 in linux-source-2.6.20 "tifm: Texas Instruments Card reader not reading SD cards" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53923
[09:43] <pwnguin> err fail
[09:44] <pwnguin> i guess one's a dup of the other
[09:45] <pwnguin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/137686
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137686 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[hardy] [gutsy] [regression] (regression from edgy to feisty and to gutsy) tifm_sd module not working and not producing any message in logs" [Low,Triaged]
[09:47] <pwnguin> it's quite a tangle of bugs, but essentially what im looking for is to get a kernel patch in
[09:48] <pwnguin> im not sure what needs to be done for that to happen
[09:50] <persia> pwnguin: Best path is to get it adopted upstream.  If that doesn't work, create a patch against the current Ubuntu git repo, and ask in #ubuntu-kernel.
[09:52] <pwnguin> fun
[09:52] <pwnguin> ive been trying to get ahold of people's attention upstream
[09:53] <pwnguin> it's like a one line patch =/
[09:56] <pwnguin> i wonder if filling with kernel.org's bugzilla would be better than posting to a mailing list
[10:10] <james_w> pwnguin: I don't know which is preferred really.
[10:12] <pwnguin> well im not running a kernel.org kernel
[10:13] <pwnguin> it seems rather unfair to file bugs against software they're potentially not writing
[10:17] <pwnguin> someone at mandriva wrote the patch and went to the sdhci mailing list a few months ago, but that conversation sorta died out
[10:19] <james_w> pwnguin: have you tried the patch on Ubuntu?
[10:19] <pwnguin> others have already
[10:19] <pwnguin> it's so hard to build out a full kernel suite anymore
[10:19] <james_w> ah, sorry, I missed that comment.
[10:20] <pwnguin> ive yet to figure out how to build the restricted modules package
[10:20] <pwnguin> im not even sure its nessecary for me anymore, but i'd be nice to have 3d
[10:20] <james_w> pwnguin: do you have a pointer to the mailing list discussion?
[10:21] <pwnguin> i have a url :P
[10:21] <pwnguin> http://list.drzeus.cx/pipermail/sdhci-devel/2007-December/002089.html
[10:22] <james_w> 0x2344be12
[10:23] <james_w> so the information the developer asked for was never provided?
[10:23] <pwnguin> seems that way
[10:23] <pwnguin> [   27.591737] sdhci: Secure Digital Host Controller Interface driver
[10:23] <pwnguin> [   27.591740] sdhci: Copyright(c) Pierre Ossman
[10:23] <pwnguin> [   28.794403] sdhci: SDHCI controller found at 0000:04:0b.3 [104c:803c] (rev 0)
[10:23] <pwnguin> doh
[10:23] <pwnguin> i always have the wierdest crap in my paste buffer
[10:23] <pwnguin> http://list.drzeus.cx/pipermail/sdhci-devel/2008-March/002182.html
[10:23] <james_w> the fix that was proposed is a little ugly, but I agree it would be good to have it working for you.
[10:24] <pwnguin> i don't see what's so ugly about it, really
[10:24] <james_w> ah, it's a shame that was never followed up on.
[10:24] <pwnguin> sure, it's potentially ignoring a larger issue
[10:24] <james_w> oh, it was only 2 days ago.
[10:25] <pwnguin> i guess this guy checks his mail weekly
[10:25] <james_w> the problem with those fixes is that it would probably still break for someone somewhere with slower hardware or something, so it's probably not even a complete fix.
[10:25] <pwnguin> i dont think so
[10:25] <pwnguin> in this case at least
[10:25] <james_w> pwnguin: could you put all of these links in to the bug report?
[10:28] <pwnguin> the delay is specified in ms, which should be indepenent of CPU speed
[10:34] <pwnguin> really, i think the bigger problem at this point would be making sure it doesn't break anyone else's readers
[10:37] <pwnguin> on the other hand, mine's been broke for over a year now. it can be someone else's turn i think ^_^
[11:21] <pedro_> everybody ready for hug day? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080320
[11:24] <james_w> those bug graphs that dholbach posted look cool.
[11:25] <james_w> hi pedro_
[11:25] <pedro_> hello james_w
[11:25] <pedro_> hey Iulian
[11:30] <Iulian> Hi pedro_, james_w
[11:32] <james_w> hi Iulian
[12:16] <pedro_> Iulian: hug day!
[12:16] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080320
[12:16] <pedro_> the bugs are waiting for you ;-)
[12:23] <Iulian> pedro_: I'm already squashing some of them :)
[12:23] <pedro_> woohoo
[12:42] <afflux> morning :)
[12:50] <Iulian> Hello afflux.
[12:51] <afflux> hi Iulian
[12:53] <jjesse> for the 5-a-day how do you get associated w/ the team for counting in hte stats section on Daniel Holbach's stat page?
[12:55] <afflux> jjesse: you can join it on https://launchpad.net/~5-a-day
[12:55] <jjesse> afflux: i'm already a part of the team, but under the stats page there is a section for lo-co teams
[12:55] <jjesse> i wanty to make sure i'm associated w/ the michigan group
[12:55] <jjesse> does that happen automatically because i'm a member of the ubuntu-michigan team?
[12:56] <pedro_> better to ask to daniel i think
[12:56] <afflux> oh, right, that section is new to me
[12:57] <afflux> jjesse: there is a file in ~/.5-a-day-data called ".teams"
[12:57] <jjesse> afflux: cool i'll take a look at that
[13:04] <thekorn> jjesse, echo <your LoCo Team's LP ID> > ~/.5-a-day-team
[13:04] <jjesse> thekorn: cool thanks
[13:06] <afflux> okay,did my five bugs, I'm off again.. birthday today, gotta prepare for the party :)
[13:06] <jjesse> afflux: happy birthday
[13:06] <afflux> thanks
[13:06] <afflux> have fun with the bugday :)
[13:57] <bddebian> Boo
[14:14] <PsySine> moo
[14:17] <Iulian> Heya bddebian :)
[14:18] <bddebian> :-)
[14:40] <pedro_> quick reminder today is the network manager hug day : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080320
[14:40] <pedro_> feel free to grab any bug of the list and squash it
[14:41] <pedro_> and you can also commit your work to 5-A-Day https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day and get on the list of the cool people
[14:44] <txwikinger> Thanks pedro_ :)
[14:45] <sourcercito> get your bugs while they're still hot ;)
[14:45] <pedro_> or sourcercito and Iulian will squash them all
[14:45] <sourcercito> :P
[14:47] <james_w> we should change the heading for the number of bugs in 5-a-day to be "cool points"
[14:54] <qense> helllo
[14:54] <james_w> hi qense
[14:57] <qense> oh, happy hug day everyone!
[14:57] <pedro_> happy hug day to you too qense :-)
[14:57]  * james_w hugs qense
[14:58] <Iulian> HHD, qense :)
[14:59] <qense> thx :), you too
[15:00] <sourcercito> howdy qense
[15:16] <qense> wow, there are loads of bugs marked of the hug day list!
[15:16] <gunashekar> hmm
[15:16] <qense> sourcercito has been quite active ;)
[15:16] <gunashekar> will the beta release be delayed
[15:16] <gunashekar> just two people seem to be triaging
[15:17] <qense> I'm triaging too :)
[15:17] <qense> I'm jsut starting
[15:17] <persia> gunashekar: Appearances can be deceiving :)
[15:17]  * sourcercito on caffeine
[15:17] <gunashekar> good qence
[15:17] <gunashekar> i agree persia
[15:17] <qense> and there are other types of bugs outside nwm
[15:18] <gunashekar> yes quite a lot of them
[15:18] <qense> :P
[15:23] <Iulian> There are only few bugs left. Go and squash/hug/eat! :)
[15:24] <qense> I just discovered Tweeter Tools went mad at my blog!
[15:24] <qense> it posted 10 times what I've done yesterday
[15:25] <pedro_> qense: are you on pulseofubuntu ?
[15:35] <Artimus> Is there anything I would do with a bug that can "draw more attention to it"?  It's been as Status: New for almost a month.  The bug is easy to resolve (a package needs to be added as a dependency).  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/195880
[15:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195880 in ubuntu-meta "ubuntu-standard doesn't depend on libpam-foreground" [Undecided,New]
[15:36] <qense> Is network-manager an Ubuntu product?
[15:36] <qense> or GNOME
[15:36] <qense> or maybe freedesktop
[15:36] <pedro_> upstream is GNOME
[15:36] <qense> Arimus: you could ask here ;)
[15:36] <qense> ok, thx pedro_
[15:36] <pedro_> you're welcome
[15:36] <Artimus> qense: Fair enough
[15:37] <qense> I'm looking at it in a few secs
[15:37] <qense> going to look*
[15:39] <qense> it's a dependency problem in my eyes
[15:39] <qense> I think it can be confirmed and get the tag unmentdeps
[15:39] <qense> unmetdeps*
[15:40] <Artimus> I was playing with KSystemlog.  "Let's see what's in auth.log.  That's ugly"
[15:47] <qense> Artimus: are you the triager or reporter?
[15:47] <qense> where are the hugday-tools?
[15:48] <Artimus> qense: Triager, assuming I don't need any particular status to do that.
[15:48] <qense> ok
[15:49] <Artimus> "Jared" would be me on that report
[15:49] <qense> I think you can set the bug to triaged and give it the tag unmetdeps
[15:49] <Artimus> I'm really not familiar enough with PAM to know which package it should depend on
[15:49] <Artimus> Another user suggested libpam-runtime
[15:49] <qense> the fact is that ubuntu-standard should install a package, if I've read the report good, but it doesn't
[15:50] <Artimus> I really don't think ubuntu-standard is the right package...
[15:50] <qense> maybe he means that foreground should depend on runtime
[15:50] <qense> that is also an option
[15:50] <qense> you could ask about that in #ubuntu-devel
[15:54] <qense> thekorn: how do you mark a bug using hugday-tools? I forgot
[15:55] <thekorn> qense, ./hugday close 12345 1234345
[15:55] <qense> thanks
[15:55] <thekorn> for the current hugday
[15:56] <qense> I've got some kind of bug
[15:57] <qense> when you run hugday init for the second time you get this:
[15:57] <qense> A config file already exists in '%s'.
[15:57] <qense> I think %s should be replaced with something
[15:57] <thekorn> yes, changing it now
[16:03] <thekorn> qense, fix pushed, thanks for pointing this out
[16:03] <qense> ok
[16:14] <qense> Does bug 202605 contain enough information? If not, what's needed?
[16:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202605 in network-manager-applet "Network Manager Applet Has Trouble With Static IP Address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202605
[16:22] <qense> anyone?
[16:28] <qense> anyway, I've got to go, bye
[17:19] <alfred> hello
[17:19] <alfred> all
[17:19] <alfred> iwhat can i do to help in reference to this possible bug?
[17:20] <alfred> Setting up mayavi (1.5-4) ...
[17:20] <alfred> /var/lib/dpkg/info/mayavi.postinst: 40: /usr/bin/python2.4: not found
[17:20] <alfred> dpkg: error processing mayavi (--configure):
[17:20] <alfred>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[17:20] <alfred> Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:20] <alfred>  mayavi
[17:27] <james_w> alfred: have you reported it against mayavi?
[17:32] <alfred> its already reported
[17:33] <alfred> i guess.. im kind of new
[17:33] <alfred> :-)
[18:05] <james_w> could a bugsquad member please set the importance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core/+bug/196846 to something high please?
[18:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196846 in git-core "gitk requires wish8.5 but depends on tk8.4" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:06] <james_w> it's two binary packages where there programs won't start after installation, you have to edit the scripts to get them to work.
[18:07] <erle-> another critical bug may be: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/204333
[18:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204333 in linux-meta "[Hardy] [amd64] booting fails" [Undecided,New]
[18:10] <james_w> thanks
[18:11] <Iulian> You're welcome.
[18:21] <yuriy> happy hug day everyone!
[18:21] <jjesse_> hello yuriy
[18:22] <stpere> oh, hug day.. forgot about that :)
[18:22]  * yuriy hugs jjesse_
[18:22] <stpere> I will try to help
[18:25] <Iulian> Happy hug day, yuriy! ;-)
[18:25] <yuriy> jjesse_: could you add the lightgreen background when you edit the wiki?
[18:25] <jjesse_> sure sorry about that
[18:25] <jjesse_> do you want me to go back and edit it?
[18:25] <yuriy> jjesse_: nah, no big deal
[19:54] <mawx> Hi, I am rather new to triaging bugs so just to make sure...
[19:54] <mawx> I had a look at #157993
[19:54] <mawx> https://launchpad.net/bugs/157993
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157993 in network-manager "pppoe connection over NetworkManager 0.6 managed ethernet device doesn't work" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[19:54] <qense> hello
[19:55] <mawx> And the status says confirmed and below on a second line "Incomplete".
[19:55] <mawx> I feel both should be confirmed since all data has been added and there even is a workaround.
[19:56] <mawx> shall i just go ahead and change it?
[19:57] <bdmurray> mawx: the top line is for the upstream bug and bottom line is for the Ubuntu bug. Is it possible for them to have different statuses.
[19:59] <mawx> bdmurray: i don't see any reason why they should have. I think the necessary information is available it's quite obvious what  is causing the bug and it just needs to get fixed.
[20:02] <bdmurray> It looks to me like Alexander Sack, the maintainer for network-manager asked a question (in comment 7) and was trying to find out whether or not a solution helped.
[20:03] <mawx> bdmurray: weltall replied in the last comment.
[20:04] <mawx> I think i'll set it to confirmed. Hope noone bites my head of if that was wrong.
[20:04] <jp_> For some reason, I am not able to log into the Wiki. Could someone mark bug 196000 for me?
[20:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196000 in network-manager "failure modifying /etc/hosts on NM profile change" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196000
[20:05] <bdmurray> mawx: putting a comment as to why you confirmed it might be helpful for others then
[20:05] <mawx> bdmurray: i will. thanks.
[20:05] <bdmurray> jp_: with what name?
[20:05] <jp_> bdmurray: josephpiche
[20:06] <bdmurray> jp_: done - thanks for helping out!
[20:07] <jp_> bdmurray: sorry, but i think you misspelled it: josephpiche. thanks
[20:08] <bdmurray> fixed
[20:19] <yuriy> any ideas what package bug 148192 should be against? seems to apply to all wifi configuration tools
[20:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148192 in knetworkmanager "Spaces in ESSID Cause Wireless to Not Connect" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148192
[20:20] <qense> maybe network-manager?
[20:21] <qense> The third block at the hugday page is completely green!
[20:21] <qense> Just two to go at the second
[20:22] <qense> And 8 at the first.
[20:22] <yuriy> qense: and then the 4th and 5th block :D
[20:22] <qense> I don't see a 4th and 5th block yet. ;)
[20:23] <yuriy> qense: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080320/KDE knetworkmanager
[20:23] <pedro_> yuriy: my wireless essid contains an space and i can connect to it without problems
[20:23] <qense> aargh!
[20:23] <pedro_> logs logs
[20:23] <bdmurray> could it be related to wpa?
[20:23] <yuriy> pedro_: does iwconfig list it correctly too?
[20:24] <pedro_> without having logs it's difficult to know IMO
[20:24] <pedro_> yes
[20:26] <pedro_> time to eat, see you later
[20:29] <josephpiche> is bug 197912 expected behavior? I followed the steps and got the same result.
[20:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197912 in network-manager "Network Manager adds domain name where it shouldn't" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197912
[20:33] <qense> but is it expected that the internet runs very slow?
[20:33] <bdmurray> I don't think that is network-manager but rather the gnome-system-tools network configuration
[20:34] <qense> so the user uses wrong settings
[20:35] <qense> is this an incomplete or invalid bug?
[20:35] <bdmurray> I think the package is wrong
[20:36] <qense> maybe I confirmed the bug too fast
[20:36] <qense> it's hard to decide about such bugs if they've got enough information since the reporter thinks he knows what's wrong and says it's an error, but maybe it is just expected behaviour
[20:36] <bdmurray> I don't have nm-applet up in front of me but I don't think you can set hosts in it
[20:38] <qense> he uses the gnome-system-tools to change the settings
[20:38] <qense> I think network-admin
[20:38] <bdmurray> If that's the case the right package would be gnome-system-tools then
[20:39] <greg-g> non-hugday-specific bug question:  bug 84931 is complaint about the unavailability of 16x16 icon sizes.  bug 149047 is requesting scalable icons for the same theme.  Since the later would effectively fix the prior, should the prior be marked a duplicate of the latter?  (sorry for that last phrase, it was just fun to type)
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 84931 in human-icon-theme "Various icons don't have a 16x16 icon size" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84931
[20:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149047 in human-icon-theme "Various icons don't have 48x48 nor scalable version" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149047
[20:39] <qense> I get the same thing he has(at least the thing becomes computername.domainname
[20:40] <qense> internet isn't very slow though
[20:40]  * greg-g can wait for advice, no rush
[20:41] <qense> I think I'll mark it invalid for network-manager at least
[20:41] <qense> but is it a bug?
[20:41] <qense> I mean, isn't it normal
[20:41] <qense> maybe the slow internet has a different cause
[20:41] <qense> I did find a bug though
[20:42] <bdmurray> qense: you can change the package name instead for marking the network-manager task invalid
[20:42] <qense> when you remove the hostname again <IP_ADDRESS> still redirects to computername.hostname
[20:42] <qense> at least the bug is incomplete
[20:44] <afiestas> A fresh installation of kubuntu alpha6: knetworkmanager can't connect to my hidden wpa2 essid (with dhcp)
[20:47] <bdmurray> greg-g: I'd keep the bug that Kenneth Wimer has commented on.
[20:50] <qense> shouldn't bug 204200 be files against moonlight?
[20:50] <ubotu> Bug 204200 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/204200 is private
[20:50] <greg-g> bdmurray: ok, thanks
[20:51] <bdmurray> greg-g: he seems to mention not have all of the vector data in one of the comments too
[20:52] <qense> does apport replaces all usernames with 'username' by itself?
[20:54] <greg-g> bdmurray: yeah, it is mentioned.  i guess they are separate issues anyways.  the 16x16 icon set problem could be fixed before the "scalable for all" problem since the scalable will take much more work
[20:55] <bdmurray> greg-g: that's true.  maybe adding a comment in the scalable referencing the 16x16 bug, so if the scalable one is resolved somebody would close the 16x16 one?
[20:57] <greg-g> sounds like a good idea
[20:59] <greg-g> bdmurray: thanks to me answer 'yes' to the question if i was still around, I ended up giving a little mini-howto in bug triaging that night :)
[21:06] <bdmurray> greg-g: I hope that was okay.
[21:09] <greg-g> bdmurray: yes, of course, I would have said so if it wasn't.
[21:09] <greg-g> I was only able to give the person about 20 minutes since I had other things to do at that time, but it was fine.
[21:10]  * greg-g is away
[21:11] <bdmurray> It looked like you two covered some good stuff in that time though.
[21:38] <greg-g> bdmurray: yeah, we got through much of the basics.  i unfortunately just wasn't the most comfortable triaging those bugs, just because I hadn't done it before.  but, in the end, all was good.
[21:42] <bdmurray> greg-g: are there particular bugs you feel comfortable triaging?  I thought maybe we should make a bugsquad page of triager specialities.
[21:43] <greg-g> ahh, good idea.
[21:43] <greg-g> hmmm
[21:44] <greg-g> desktop applications in general really
[21:45] <greg-g> because i don't mind doing some of the upstream leg work (most times)
[21:50] <bdmurray> I'm not sure the best way to organize a page like that though
[22:01] <greg-g> || name || list of packages/areas of specialty || LP account link || ?
[22:03] <bdmurray> So by name rather than by package?  I think that makes sense.
[22:03] <greg-g> yeah, otherwise there would be too much overlap/ambiguity
[22:05] <bdmurray> right, I was thinking for a minute having includes from the debugging pages (after adding a triager name section) would be neat but what you've suggested sounds good
[22:05] <bdmurray> plus with irc nicks
[22:19] <greg-g> bdmurray: yes, in fact, irc nick in place of "name" probably, since some don't share their real name.
[22:19] <bdmurray> greg-g: Sounds good. Would you mind starting it?
[22:21] <greg-g> bdmurray: sure, it won't be until later tonight
[22:34] <jjesse> hows the hug day going
[22:39] <bdmurray> jjesse: pretty well, almost 0 new network-manager bugs
[22:40] <jjesse> bdmurray: that's awesome, i've done some for knetworkmanger as well
[23:38] <bdmurray> hmmm, still 7 new networkmanager bugs
[23:46] <bdmurray> -1
[23:52]  * calc is down to 181 msgs in bugmail
[23:52] <calc> only 10 days worth of bugmail is 500+ messages for me ;-)
[23:52] <calc> luckily i can delete anything that came from me, which helped a lot
[23:53] <secretlondon> you can get that in a day if you are subscribed to a bug with lots of dupes -\like the kernel sound one..
[23:58] <calc> secretlondon: fun
[23:58] <secretlondon> and they'll be the same comment "confirming in hardy" or something, as though we needed it
[23:59] <bdmurray> I was somebody put this bug no longer requires confirmation in the description once and that makes a lot of sense to me


[00:00] <stqn> ahah
[00:00] <stqn> I don’t like that…
[02:55] <odra2> Wow
[02:55] <odra2> I'm having incredible trouble flipping and rotating images
[02:57] <odra2> So
[02:57] <odra2> Here is a question.
[02:58] <odra2> If you have an image which you flip horizontally, then rotate 90° degrees, then flip horizontally, what should the user see?
[02:58] <odra2> A) One image rotated 270 degrees
[02:58] <odra2> B) One image rotated 90% degrees
[02:58] <odra2> 90 degrees*
[20:28] <odra> Nobody here ever
[20:32] <JanC> there are 40 people in here  ;-)
[20:36] <odra> They are pseudo-people
[20:36] <odra> You are pseudo-people.
[20:37] <odra> Maybe even I am a pseudo-peole.
[20:37] <stqn> Are you bored ?
[20:37] <odra> Very.
[20:55] <coder2> i have implemented a browser using qiuckly using WebKit. how can i create a new browser window or new tab?
[20:56] <coder2> *quickly
[20:59] <odra> I has problem :C
[21:00] <odra> I made an image viewer that has the outstanding ability of viewing images and I called it Pynorama. Because it was an image viewer and it was made in Python.
[21:01] <odra> Now I don't know what should it's icon look like.
[21:35] <tag_> #quit
[21:36] <odra> f#talk


[04:31] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[04:31] <inetpro> oh and a special good morning to chesedo
[04:32] <inetpro> congratulations on your winning scope
[04:32] <inetpro> The winners of the Ubuntu Scopes Showdown 2016 have been announced! Congratulations to Roman Shchekin, Ricardo Silva, Michael Weimann and Pieter Engelbrecht for your winning scopes, and to all participants for your efforts! More details can be found at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/04/13/ubuntu-scopes-showdown-here-are-winners/
[04:42] <anton_may> Good morning all.
[05:00] <pavlushka> Good morning everyone!
[05:00] <pavlushka> good morning inetpro !
[05:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: শূভ নববর!
[05:17] <Kilos> morning pavlushka and all others
[05:17] <anton_may> morning
[05:17] <pavlushka> শূভ নববর! to all
[05:17] <pavlushka> শূভ নববরষ! to all
[05:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: শূভ নববরষ!
[05:17] <pavlushka> Morning anton_may !
[05:18] <Kilos> i dont understand that pavlushka
[05:18] <anton_may> Bounjorno Pavlushka
[05:18] <Kilos> and im not going to used google translate
[05:40] <mazal> Mornings
[05:42] <pavlushka> Kilos: Happy New year in Bengali,:)
[05:43] <mazal> maaz tell TheMurdz Give me a shout when you have time , have some feedback for you
[05:43] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell TheMurdz on freenode
[05:43] <mazal> Hi pavlushka
[05:43] <pavlushka> Hello mazal !
[05:53] <mazal> http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/ubuntu-1604-lts-to-offer-updates-via.html
[05:54] <mazal> I like this part " a snap package contains all of its dependencies "
[06:13] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:14] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:20] <mazal> Morning thatgraemeguy
[06:20] <mazal> More oom Kilos
[06:21] <mazal> What do you guys think of that snap packages ( as described in the link I pasted )
[06:24] <thatgraemeguy> sounds like the way OS X distributes apps
[06:25] <thatgraemeguy> it's bloaty and unnecessary IMHO
[06:25] <thatgraemeguy> if 15 apps all depend on library X which is 200MB, then you have to download the 200MB 15 times, once in each snap bundle
[06:26] <mazal> hmmm , good point
[06:28] <MaNL> so same as how windows ends up in practice as well then
[06:30] <thatgraemeguy> If you say so.... I wouldn't know, thankfully :)
[06:30] <mazal> I wonder how they will implement it , will the user have a choice between the deb or snap when installing something
[06:32] <MaNI> the idea seems to be that you use the snap for when the deb isn't available - or something along those lines
[06:33] <MaNI> though I'm curious if the system will actually know this and handle it elegantly if the deb then does become available later
[06:33] <mazal> Time will tell I guess
[06:38] <MaNI> I mean otherwise it is no different from just downloading a .run like some software companies put out :p Except with a trendier name
[06:49] <superfly> good evening everyone
[06:49] <superfly> including kmf
[06:49] <kmf> heh
[06:49] <kmf> hi
[06:50] <superfly> kmf: I sent a mail to Obsidian about sponsoring DebConf via the contact form on the site last night
[06:50] <kmf> superfly .... thanks send it throught to marketing@ ....
[06:51] <kmf> I'm on that liost
[06:51] <kmf> s/liost/list
[06:53] <TheMurdz> Morning gents!
[06:53] <superfly> hi TheMurdz
[06:53] <thatgraemeguy> that's presumptuous of you! :P
[06:53] <superfly> kmf: OK
[07:29] <Kilos-> hi guys, anyone having probs connecting on telegram or is it just me?
[07:29] <Kilos-> laptop and pc no connection
[07:30] <Kilos-> have they been hacked at last
[07:34] <chesedo> morning all
[07:34] <Kilos-> hi chesedo
[07:34] <chesedo> and ty inetpro and happy new year pavlushka
[07:35] <pavlushka> chesedo: thanks, :)
[07:36] <chesedo> thatgraemeguy: snaps also do not have to ship with their debs (can still specify them as debs)... it is more for when the snap will rely on a new version of a debendency that is not going to be in the repos
[07:38] <chesedo> I personally love how a update will not download the whole snap, but only the parts that changed
[08:06] <superfly> Kilos-: yes, we are too
[08:17] <Kilos-> ty superfly
[08:20] <superfly> Kilos-: it seems to be working again
[08:30] <Kilos-> still dead here
[08:30] <Kilos-> cant even get online with the webchat
[08:31] <Kilos-> the odd message goes through
[08:36] <Kilos-> telkom tech has just been here and reckons there have been many complaints about the speed, so going to advise tower upgrade
[08:36] <Kilos-> yay
[08:41] <bushtech> Kilos-: holding thumbs for you. Vodacom advised me of the same last year. Nothing yet
[08:50] <MaNI> some residents association or other will probably block the upgrade :p
[08:51] <superfly> Kilos-: https://twitter.com/telegram/status/720529325959835648
[08:51] <Kilos-> the prob is that the tech just sends in a report and someone else has to approve the cost
[08:51] <Kilos-> i go see superfly
[08:54] <Kilos-> hee hee added my 2 cents worth
[08:55] <Kilos-> where is MENA
[09:02] <superfly> Middle East North Africa
[09:11] <Kilos-> ty
[09:11] <Kilos-> uh oh
[09:11] <Langjan> Hi guys
[09:11] <Kilos-> what broke
[09:11] <Langjan> uhoh
[09:11] <Kilos-> ohi Langjan
[09:12] <Kilos-> hehe
[09:12] <Langjan> me broke, loan?
[09:12] <Kilos-> join the family
[09:12] <Langjan> hi there Kilos-
[09:13] <Langjan> Mens moet niks weggooi nie, nie eens 'n strepie nie...
[09:13] <Kilos> bushtech my speed is ok today
[09:13] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5249881738
[09:13] <Kilos> haha
[09:13] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar Langjan
[09:14] <Langjan> Goed dankie Kilos - sjoe jou spoed lyk goed
[09:15] <Kilos> ja en ek kerm vir nog
[09:15] <Langjan> Myne loop gewoonlik so net onder 2 MBps
[09:15] <Kilos> ai!
[09:15] <Langjan> joune is naby aan 10
[09:16] <Kilos> yay telegram fixed it seems
[09:16] <Langjan> telegram? Did not know they still existed
[09:17] <Kilos> its a chat tool Langjan
[09:17] <Kilos> very lekker
[09:17] <Kilos> fast and secure
[09:17] <Langjan> like xchat?
[09:17] <Kilos> https://telegram.org/
[09:18] <Kilos> you get telegram-desktop for you pc
[09:18] <Langjan> If we have different tools we will lose contact?
[09:18] <Kilos> ill always be here man
[09:18] <Kilos> use telegram to aus to my girls and to ian
[09:19] <Kilos> you can have group chats as well
[09:19] <Kilos> and it works in pidgin
[09:19] <Langjan> whats pidgin? Posduiwe?
[09:19] <Kilos> and works on anything that can go to the internet
[09:19] <Kilos> nee man
[09:20] <Kilos> pidgin is in the repos
[09:20] <Kilos> instant messaging from all the other things all in one place
[09:21] <Kilos> keep up old man
[09:21] <Langjan> Why do I have you?
[09:21] <Kilos> haha ok
[09:22] <Kilos> pidgin can do off the record chats as well for sectret stuff
[09:22] <Kilos> secret
[09:22] <Kilos> so does telegram if one side is using an android device
[09:23] <Kilos> pidgin gives the option for start secret chat
[09:26] <Kilos> haha
[09:26] <Kilos> Telegram Messenger
[09:26] <Kilos> liked your Tweet.
[09:28] <Langjan> mine? which one
[09:28] <Kilos> mine man
[09:28] <Kilos> thats what twit place says
[09:29] <Kilos> whats broken Langjan ??
[09:35] <Langjan> Hey Kilos  you there? This pidgin wants to fly but dont know where to
[09:35] <Kilos> haha
[09:36] <Kilos> dont you know anyone on mxit or msn or aim or telegramd
[09:36] <Langjan> no, except maybe you
[09:37] <Kilos> oh my
[09:37] <Kilos> keep up man
[09:37] <Langjan> No, why? I have enough to keep me busy
[09:37] <Kilos> how do you stay in contact with your kids in aus
[09:37] <Kilos> apart from skype
[09:38] <Langjan> via whatsapp, email, FB and skype
[09:38] <Kilos> you have to keep up with the kids
[09:38] <Kilos> ai! fb
[09:38] <Kilos> eek
[09:39] <Kilos> your kids must have android fones and tablets
[09:39] <Kilos> tell them to get telegram mesesnger in the app store
[09:39] <Kilos> nothing you use is secure
[09:40] <Langjan> secure from?
[09:40] <Kilos> hi chesedo
[09:40] <Kilos> from other peeps listening in or reading
[09:40] <superfly> Kilos: looks like Telegram is back online
[09:40] <Kilos> skype keeps records of everything too
[09:41] <Kilos> yes superfly its working fine again
[09:42] <Kilos> pidgin bing bonged me when it came online
[09:44] <Kilos> Langjan with telegram when you finished chatting you delete your chat and same other side then there is no record of it anywhere
[09:44] <Langjan> So telegram is sitting in my archive manager and pidgin wants to fly, where do I go from here?
[09:44] <Kilos> ok
[09:44] <Kilos> lets get you links
[09:44] <Langjan> which golf course?
[09:45] <Kilos> https://github.com/majn/telegram-purple
[09:46] <Langjan> What do I do there?
[09:46] <Kilos> once installed you will see in pidgin when you add someone from telegram you enter their cell number there
[09:46] <Kilos> and if they are online you can chat instantly
[09:48] <zipper> How are you humans doing?
[09:48] <Kilos> good ty zipper and you
[09:48] <zipper> Kilos: Signal is secure.
[09:48] <zipper> Telegram is not.
[09:49] <Kilos> what isnt?
[09:49] <zipper> Telegram isn't secure
[09:49] <Kilos> why not
[09:51] <Kilos> you can explain, i go chase sheep out of herb garden
[09:52] <Kilos> or give a link that explains why it isnt secure
[09:53] <Langjan> Looks way too complicated to my liking
[09:54] <Kilos> they offered 200K in dollars to anyone that can crack it
[09:55] <Kilos> what now Langjan
[09:55] <Kilos> one setup pidgin rocks
[09:56] <Kilos> once
[09:57] <Langjan> I have more than enough to keep me occupied
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
[10:00] <Langjan> What is GitHub?
[10:00] <Kilos> funny place where peeps work on stuff
[10:05] <chesedo> or more accurately a repo for git version controlled stuff (much like launchpad)
[10:10] <mazal> Ok then , now I have so many connection I almost have one for each device
[10:10] <mazal> Hi Langjan , zipper , superfly , chesedo
[10:11] <mazal> Oom Kilos , guess what happened this morning
[10:13] <Kilos> what mazal
[10:14] <mazal> Telkom came and fixed my landline
[10:14] <mazal> Now I have 3 connections hehehehe
[10:14] <mazal> The cancellation department still didn't do their work and cancel the service , so technitians decided to fix the line
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:14] <Kilos> oh my
[10:15] <mazal> Here this response of where they found the problem:
[10:15] <mazal> And I qoute
[10:15] <Kilos> well now you cant complain about being offline anymore
[10:15] <mazal> The flat next door cut off the cable.
[10:15] <Kilos> oh my
[10:15] <mazal> When asked why they said and I qoute " We didn't know what this cable does so we cut it off "
[10:16] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:16] <mazal> Can you believe that !
[10:16] <Kilos> nice neighbours to have
[10:16] <mazal> no comment
[10:17] <mazal> I go shower , l8tr
[10:19] <chesedo> mazal: does their power cable run through your department by any change :P
[10:19] <Kilos> lol
[10:20] <Kilos> maybe thats why no hot water
[10:41] <mazal> chesedo, don't be giving me ideas :)
[13:18] <Kilos> oh my the pro went
[13:18] <Kilos> oh wb inetpro
[13:19] <Kilos> whats with you quassel peeps
[13:20] <Kilos> inetpro i noticed apt does kernel stuff as well
[13:20] <inetpro> what's this thing about kernel stuff you are talking about?
[13:21] <Kilos> ai!
[13:21] <Kilos> headers and such man
[13:21] <Kilos> now i gotta go to desktop and see what
[13:21] <Kilos> ai!
[13:21] <Kilos> linux packages
[13:22] <inetpro> some packages need 'apt upgrade' others need 'apt dist-upgrade'
[13:22] <Kilos> but aptitude does them all
[13:22] <Kilos> maybe ill stick with aptitude
[13:23] <thatgraemeguy> upgrade only upgrades packages where such upgrade would not remove other packages or pull in new packages
[13:24] <inetpro> Kilos: with aptitude you also get safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[13:24] <thatgraemeguy> dist-upgrade will also upgrade packages that remove existing packages or pull new dependencies
[13:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:24] <Kilos> and if i use synaptic and let that upgrade?
[13:24] <Kilos> will that do all
[13:24] <thatgraemeguy> then you tell us....
[13:25] <thatgraemeguy> you're the only one that uses that GUI nonsense :P
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:25] <Kilos> ok
[13:25] <inetpro> thanks thatgraemeguy
[13:25] <Kilos> i have always used aptitude
[13:25]  * Kilos sulks
[13:27] <Kilos> too much to remember
[13:27] <Kilos> sigh
[13:27] <Kilos> 2nd day no ballie nap
[13:28] <thatgraemeguy> been up since 2.30ish, could do with a nap o_O
[13:28] <Kilos> ouch why
[13:29] <thatgraemeguy> I do 03:00-05:00 neighbourhood watch patrol on tuesday and thursday
[13:29] <Kilos> good man
[13:29]  * Kilos doffs hat
[13:29] <thatgraemeguy> and when I can on weekends
[13:30] <Kilos> i think thats how you say it
[13:30] <thatgraemeguy> well look at that
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> not often a boertjie teaches a soutie an english phrase... ;-)
[13:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:31] <Kilos> i am english man
[13:31]  * thatgraemeguy doffs his hat at Kilos
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> oh, lol
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> ok then
[13:31] <Kilos> hehe
[13:31] <thatgraemeguy> there you teach me something else
[13:32] <Kilos> just grew up amongst van der merwes
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> yip same
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> I even married one
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> now I have 2 little ones
[13:32] <thatgraemeguy> the english is weak all around me :-o
[13:32] <Kilos> they have some cute chicks
[13:33] <Kilos> or had in my young days
[13:33] <Kilos> many are fat today i see
[13:33] <Kilos> even in school
[13:35] <Kilos> hi spinza you have been quiet
[13:36] <Kilos> later all, shepherd duties
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[16:22]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:27] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[16:27] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[16:27] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[16:55] <Cryterion> Hi everyone
[16:55] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[16:56] <Cryterion> heya Kilos
[16:57] <Cryterion> Tor browser has some serious privacy bugs atm
[17:09] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[17:10] <inetpro> what do you do if you mounted a partition on /usr accidentally?
[17:16] <inetpro> kom nou oom Kilos, jy kan mos nie vir my so ignoreer nie
[17:17] <Kilos> oops
[17:18] <Kilos> skuus man was besig om maag te vul
[17:18] <Kilos> sudo umount
[17:18] <inetpro> gaan nie werk nie
[17:18] <inetpro> sudo is onder /usr
[17:21] <Kilos> then become root and umount it
[17:21] <Kilos> sudo -i
[17:22] <Kilos> holy moly man, how can you ask me such heavy questions
[17:22] <Kilos> im only an appy geek remember
[17:26] <Kilos> hi kfm
[17:26] <Kilos> oops
[17:26] <Kilos> kmf
[17:27] <Kilos> Mariusoft hoekom so stil?
[17:28] <Kilos> dont be shy, join in the madhouse chats
[17:42] <kmf> Hi Kilos
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: /usr/bin/sudo
[18:05] <Kilos> does root not bypass that
[18:05] <inetpro> if you mount something on /usr all the bin stuff plus more are gone
[18:06] <Kilos> how did you mount it inetpro ?
[18:06] <Kilos> by accident of course
[18:06] <inetpro> yes man
[18:06] <Kilos> think how
[18:07] <Kilos> then work out a reverse to it
[18:07] <inetpro> while you mount it the mount is still active
[18:07] <Kilos> wht did you mount again
[18:07] <Kilos> the whole /usr/bin?
[18:08] <Kilos> or /usr/bin/bla/bla
[18:08] <Kilos> how did you mount it by accident?
[18:09] <Kilos> explain carefully
[18:10] <inetpro> Kilos: say for example mount you do mount /dev/cdrom /usr
[18:10] <Kilos> just reboot man
[18:10] <Kilos> yes
[18:10] <Kilos> oh
[18:10] <Kilos> wait
[18:11] <Kilos> that means mount the cdrom with /usr
[18:11] <Kilos> was that a typo
[18:11] <inetpro> everything on the CD will be on /usr in stead of the usual system stuffs
[18:11] <Kilos> yeah i see that now
[18:12] <inetpro> I didn't do it... was just a trick question for you
[18:12] <Kilos> wont rebooting solve the prob
[18:12] <Kilos> whaaaaaaat\
[18:12] <inetpro> yep, reboot will fix it
[18:12] <inetpro> :-)
[18:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:13] <inetpro> well done Kilos
[18:13] <Kilos> what made you think of trying me like that
[18:13] <inetpro> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> here i thought you had made a mistake
[18:14] <Kilos> see not all your time spent with me has been a waste
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: Top new questions this week at Ask Ubuntu
[18:14] <Kilos> i actually remember much better than when i started
[18:14] <Kilos> eeeeeek
[18:15] <Kilos> you go hunting there to trick me
[18:15] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/755614/accidentally-mounted-a-partition-on-usr
[18:15] <Kilos> holy moly
[18:16] <Kilos> haha
[18:17] <Kilos> you so evil
[18:17] <Kilos> torturing me
[18:19] <inetpro> and here's another one for somone else to answer:
[18:19] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/756261/accessing-a-lamp-webserver-thats-behind-a-ubuntu-vm-acting-as-a-firewall
[18:20] <Kilos> yay
[18:20] <Kilos> bushtech_ thats yours ^^
[18:20] <inetpro> oh you can do it as well if you want Kilos
[18:20] <Kilos> nno
[18:20] <Kilos> nonono
[18:20] <Kilos> i dont play with vm things
[18:21] <Kilos> if you cant swim you dont jump into the deep end of the pool
[18:22] <Kilos> but ill look at it
[18:25] <Kilos> can he use traceroute and tracepath commands there
[18:27] <Kilos> inetpro that ubuntu vm is what actually
[18:27] <inetpro> uh, Kilos don't ask me now, I didn't put the question
[18:27] <Kilos> do you understand it man
[18:27] <inetpro> am just pointing others to an interesting question
[18:28] <Kilos> he needs to grant the pc permision to get to the server
[18:28] <Kilos> is that right
[18:28] <inetpro> even this one, is another interesting question with no answer, yet
[18:28] <inetpro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/756393/is-the-lock-screen-secure
[18:29] <Kilos> one thing at a time man
[18:30] <Kilos> so i think that other funny thing is needed
[18:30]  * Kilos thinks
[18:31] <inetpro> go answer it at askubuntu.com
[18:31] <Kilos> the thing you use to aloow one pc to share another ones internet connection'
[18:31] <Kilos> i asking you
[18:31] <inetpro> oh my
[18:32]  * inetpro too tired to think now
[18:32] <Kilos> the thing i used to allow one pc to  share net
[18:32] <inetpro> wb MaNI
[18:32] <Kilos> when using iptables
[18:32] <Kilos> funny word
[18:32] <Kilos> um
[18:33] <Kilos> something some forward
[18:33] <MaNI> thanks
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: why so quiet now, is it that difficult?
[18:49] <Kilos> i cant remember the word
[18:49] <Kilos> ha
[18:49] <Kilos> masquerade
[18:50] <Kilos> i think thats it
[18:50] <Kilos> dnsmasq
[18:51] <Kilos> but ive closed that link
[18:51] <Kilos> too heavy for me to work out unless i can see what happening
[18:52] <inetpro> you are forgiven
[18:52] <Kilos> you win inetpro i give up
[18:52] <inetpro> but just today
[18:52] <Kilos> forgiven for what?
[18:52] <inetpro> for not helping those dudes man
[18:53] <Kilos> hahahahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[18:53] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:53] <inetpro> can't believe you just let them struggle like that
[18:53] <Kilos> i have enough probs man
[18:53] <Kilos> seems pakistan also went fb then went to sleep
[18:54] <inetpro> usually you would ask someone to tell them to come here to get help
[18:54] <Kilos> yes but you said you are tired
[18:54] <inetpro> haha slimjan
[18:54] <Kilos> actually that would be for fly
[18:55] <Kilos> you think im just a pretty face
[18:56] <inetpro> ek gaan slaap nou
[18:56] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[18:56] <Kilos> lekker slaap boetie
[19:17] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[10:46] <cmaloney> morning
[13:02] <cmaloney> rick_h_: re: Google login attempts: hope that gets resolved soon
[13:02] <cmaloney> That's very concerning
[13:03] <cmaloney> You have 2fa on right?
[13:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I have 2fa at work, not at home
[13:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: but yea, might convince me to setup 2fa at home account
[13:05] <rick_h_> I did a password change to something new and lovely but interesting.
[13:05] <rick_h_> go google for catching.
[13:05] <rick_h_> now the question is why was someone trying to do it and are they doing it on other services that don't have this type of detection
[13:13] <cmaloney> Yeah, no kidding
[13:13] <cmaloney> brb
[13:27] <widox> morning
[13:27] <widox> rick_h_: did your gmail get hacked?
[13:28] <rick_h_> widox: no, looks like someone tried both my home and work accounts but was blocked
[13:28] <rick_h_> widox: so now nervous what else they're poking at while I change up passwords/etc
[13:29] <widox> huh. my fastmail email got hit yesterday; they do a good job of locking it down quickly
[13:30] <widox> so, getting it unblocked this am
[13:35] <rick_h_> ah sucky, well good but sucky
[14:08] <cmaloney> widox: Hey w/b. :)
[14:11] <widox> cmaloney: hey hey
[14:12]  * widox pokes head out from around the corner
[14:12] <cmaloney> heh
[14:12] <cmaloney> haven't seen youin a while
[14:28] <widox> yeah :(
[14:29] <widox> staying busy, I guess
[14:29] <cmaloney> Beats the alternatives
[14:51] <rick_h_> oh cool, good news of the day is I get a VR headset for ordering a pixel phone.
[14:51] <rick_h_> now I can look like an idiot and my wife will shake her head at me
[14:53] <widox> cmaloney: still doing regular CHCs?
[15:04] <cmaloney> Yeah, we're still meeting at the Bean and Leaf in Royal Oak
[15:04] <cmaloney> rick_h_: At least you won't see her shaking her head. :)
[15:04] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol
[15:05] <cmaloney> Is this something other than Google Cardboard?
[15:05] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, their new Dream VR headset
[15:05] <rick_h_> but you stick your phone in it I guess
[15:05]  * rick_h_ hasnt' tried any of the VR stuff yet
[15:09] <cmaloney> "good English command is required"
[15:09] <cmaloney> (from a job posting)
[15:09] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's cool.
[15:51] <brousch_> cmaloney: At least they know they need help with that
[15:51] <cmaloney> heh


[01:14] <pabs3> I'm having trouble marking #1265179 as 'Fix released' in Gentoo Linux, I get this error: There is no package named 'foxtrotgps' published in Gentoo Linux.
[01:15] <pabs3> I get the same error if I add the section name. the package definitely exists: https://packages.gentoo.org/package/sci-geosciences/foxtrotgps
[03:58] <xnox> pabs3: i thought you need to specify URL to the bug report, and the status would be auto-imported. I didn't think it was possible to manually control bug status of external bugtrackers/distro-bugs
[03:58] <pabs3> there is no external bug report so I can't do that
[03:59] <xnox> pabs3: so what's the problem? =) just leave it as it is, or remove the gentoo bug-task.
[03:59] <pabs3> the bug is fixed in gentoo but I can't mark the bug as fixed in gentoo
[04:00] <xnox> pabs3: done =)
[04:00] <pabs3> why did it allow me to set the bug to affecting foxtrotgps in gentoo if it thinks foxtrotgps in gentoo doesn't exist?
[04:00] <pabs3> thanks
[04:01] <xnox> pabs3: no idea =) i hope that this "package-less" bug "fixe released" status is sufficient =)
[04:01] <pabs3> I suppose
[04:03] <xnox> pabs3: i think package names are bogus for gentoo distribution in launchpad. E.g. it brings up search results of ~ ubuntu / debian, instead of gentoo. (just tried an ubuntu-specific package and a gentoo-specific package)
[04:05] <pabs3> I see. I guess when you set the package name it doesn't check if it is valid but it does when you change the status?
[04:06] <pabs3> hmm, or it checks the ubuntu name when you set it and an empty set when you change the status
[04:07] <pabs3> anyway, enough speculation, bye all :)
[17:23] <tachyons> hi
If your package does need to be recompiled to support multiple Ubuntu series, then you should add a suffix of the series name to the version number. So a package for the Intrepid Ibex could be named myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~intrepid1 and for the Hardy Heron myapp_1.0-2~ppa1~hardy1. If you need to release an updated package, increment the ~ppan suffix. Specifying the version name here doesn't change the series that you are targetting; this must still b
[17:25] <tachyons> e set correctly as described in the Ubuntu packaging guide's section on the changelog file. </quote>
[17:26] <tachyons> is it still recommended ?
[17:30] <tachyons> cjwatson,
[17:35] <tachyons> if yes, how to add it in changelog file
[22:19] <KNRO> Anyone experiencing failed SVN imports from Sourceforge recently?
[22:21] <KNRO> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/161341363/mutlaqja-libindi-trunk.log
[22:22] <KNRO> Any idea what could be causing this? It failed like 5 times in a row


[02:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Silly brain @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/08/silly-brain/
[02:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: LLMs explained: how to build your own private ChatGPT @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/llms-explained
[02:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Meet Canonical and OpenSearch.org at Open Source Summit Europe 2023 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-canonical-and-opensearch-oss2023
[11:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E262 Labirinto Do Minotauro @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e262/
[12:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Opportunity Open Source IIT Mandi - Plenary Room @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xY95cIFJxg


[00:52] <kcj> Earthquake!
[00:54] <kcj> I wonder if these are going to be a regular thing now.
[01:00] <kcj> http://beta.geonet.org.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2012p508202
[01:24] <ajmitch> kcj: well, they've been happening for many many years, so probably yes :)
[01:25] <kcj> Well, more regular.
[08:07] <hads> If Zareason have a decent 13" I wouldn't mind one for my next. Not sure how I will ever get over my TrackPoint addiction though.
[08:08] <kcj> Yeah TrackPoints are nice.
[21:38] <kcj> Morning.


[01:12] <Roguehorse> I used to be as I'm not the admin for my home network...so I proxy now
[01:15] <Roguehorse> Lets just say it was too "obvious" someone was able to tell everywhere I visited and NO ONE has access to my machine but me
[01:29] <Roguehorse> which leaves - uh hem - the untruted network providers
[15:27] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[15:28] <Roguehorse> Anyone with experience in PerlTk?
[20:51]  * Roguehorse Sometimes I wonder why I read about Microsoft's grip on the US education system - it only depresses me
[23:12] <ianorlin> yes it is sad


[08:21] <neoncode> Hey is it possible to get linux to boot faster?
[08:22] <bhna> dipnlik: sorry have kde 3.5 here :-(
[08:22] <dipnlik> bhna: oic
[08:22] <JakubS> neoncode: yup, tricks like initng and readahead
[08:22] <dipnlik> bhna: well, good to know this was implemented in 3.5 :D
[08:23] <neoncode> JakubS: What are they?
[08:24] <JakubS> initng: replacement for old sysvinit, it is much faster (i tested it on gentoo) because it runs init scripts in parallel
[08:24] <neoncode> sysvinit?
[08:25] <JakubS> readahead: make system read some files (like kdm, kdelibs, etc.) early during boot so it is much faster to use them later
[08:25] <JakubS> and system does not use too much disk during stuff like network initialization
[08:26] <JakubS> neoncode: sysvinit - that program running your init scripts
[08:26] <JakubS> it is 20 years old or maybe even older and no disto maker is brave enough to replace it :-)
[08:26] <neoncode> JakubS: How do I install these tools? oh wait, adept tells me that I already have readahead
[08:27] <artox> hey all !
[08:27] <JakubS> good  question, i'm trying to compile and install initng right now so i don't have an answer yet
[08:27] <Slyder0244> anyone have time to help a new kubuntu user
[08:28] <artox> i've installed bittorrent and bittorrent-gui via adept, but it seems i'm to stupid to execute it?!?! help me please
[08:28] <dipnlik> Slyder0244: ask your question(s)
[08:28] <JakubS> for readahead: cool, but list of files to preread looks not right - atk or pango stuff makes more sense in ubuntu
[08:28] <JakubS> for kubuntu that should be rather kdm, kdelibs, libqt
[08:28] <Slyder0244> just needed to know how to change the permissions on my hard drives i've searched for forums and everything i've tried doesn't seem to unlock it so i can either read or read/write
[08:28] <neoncode> artox: try Alt+F2 and bittorrent
[08:29] <JakubS> neoncode: so i don't think you benefit too much from readahead running kubuntu
[08:29] <artox> that was the first thing i tried, doesnt work
[08:29] <neoncode> JakubS: atk? ango?
[08:29] <neoncode> *pango
[08:29] <JakubS> gnomie libs
[08:29] <JakubS> not used in kubuntu
[08:30] <holycow> wow
[08:30] <JakubS> so preloading them is simply nonsense
[08:30] <holycow> kde architecture is great, but it trully suffers from not having something like the hig
[08:30] <neoncode> JakubS: So what do you suggest I can do?
[08:30] <bhna> holycow: there is a HIG www.kde.org
[08:31] <JakubS> oh there are some ui guidelines but they are not being treated as gospel :-)
[08:31] <holycow> bhna, i think if i say anything more i will end up looking like a troll :)
[08:31] <JakubS> neoncode: i think suggesting suse (working readahead) or gentoo (easy to install initng) would not be welcomed in this channel :-)
[08:32] <JakubS> holycow: you can always change nick to holytroll :-)
[08:32] <bhna> holycow: like a gnome troll ;-)
[08:32] <neoncode> JakubS: I like kubuntu anyway...
[08:33] <JakubS> neoncode: well, you can download and compile initng and then try to make it work somehow :-)
[08:33] <Stele> isn't a gnome troll like some kind of crazy half-breed?
[08:33] <JakubS> or redo readahead file list by hand (or with some tool if there exists one)
[08:34] <holycow> lol indeed dudes :)
[08:35] <mtupper> can someone tell me how one gets xbindkeys to load at startup?
[08:36] <dmlinux> Anyone here play CS:S?
[08:36] <holycow> i see buttons ..... everywhere
[08:36] <holycow> why are there buttons everwhere
[08:36] <JakubS> mtupper: put it to .kde/Autostart
[08:36] <holycow> on konqueror therer are buttons on every single frame of the app
[08:36] <holycow> lol :)
[08:37] <Stele> frankly - I chose kubuntu because of KDE, because KDE is built with Qt
[08:37] <Stele> I love Qt, and use it on Windows + Mac too
[08:37] <holycow> i'm back testing out out after reading a very astute critique of gnome
[08:37] <szu> guys, is there something like 'Open Terminal Here' in konqueror? Like it is in nautilus?
[08:37] <JakubS> szu: F4
[08:38] <holycow> however, i'm deploying linux to workstations and now i remember why i ended up using gnome ... you can't have regular users use gnome
[08:38] <JakubS> ok, time to test initng, brb
[08:38] <holycow> there is just too much power at their fingertips
[08:38] <szu> JakubS: thanks, but what about desktop? F4 doesn't work on desktop
[08:38] <Stele> im just tired of things being based on the "gn" prefix
[08:38] <Stele> :)
[08:39] <holycow> heh
[08:39] <Stele> OS nerds really need to come up with better names
[08:39] <Stele> GIMP, indeed
[08:39] <holycow> gimp has to be rebranded
[08:39] <socketbind> howdy
[08:39] <Flixor-> guys i have a strange problem
[08:39] <mtupper> Jakubs, I figured it was something along this line, but could you be more explicit?  what do I put in this directory?  all I have there now is a .directory file that lists a translation for 'Autostart' in about every language you could possibly think of.  Also, note: I actually installed ubuntu/gnome first and then installed kde desktop-metapackage afterwards, in case that might have a difference.
[08:39] <neoncode> GIMP is a strange name, where did they come up with it anyway?
[08:39] <Stele> they might have a cream for that Flixor
[08:39] <socketbind> geez this automount and what-should-I-do-with-this dialog driving me NUTS :D
[08:39] <holycow> but see lets take konqueror for example
[08:39] <Flixor-> i have a useraccount where i cant type on the keyboard
[08:39] <Stele> "General Image Manipulation Program" - very nerdy
[08:40] <holycow> that is simultaneously the single best and single worst app i've ever seen
[08:40] <holycow> i love konq
[08:40] <holycow> i love the power, ctrl/l split windows arbitrarily
[08:40] <socketbind> somebody tell me how to disable this thing :D
[08:40] <szu> mtupper: go to ~/.kde/Autostart, and run following command 'ln -s /usr/bin/xbindkeys'
[08:40] <Flixor-> other accounts are working just fine but this one accont doesnt work anymore when i type something in a app
[08:40] <holycow> with kparts you can do anything
[08:40] <holycow> BUT
[08:40] <holycow> when you add it all up, what is konqueror? is it a browser?
[08:40] <holycow> file manager?
[08:40] <holycow> ftp client?
[08:40] <rathma> hey all
[08:40] <holycow> just what the hell is it
[08:41] <szu> holycow: might be some new emacs extension... ;]
[08:41] <bhna> holycow: in german eierlegendewollmichsau
[08:41] <holycow> its got like icons and menues everywhere, how the hell is a non techie suppose to figure it out?
[08:41] <neoncode> holycow: A nerd's wet dream
[08:41] <kkathman> holycow: actually many of the things in konq are available in other KDE apps
[08:41] <mtupper> szu, thanks
[08:41] <holycow> kkathman, i know, thats really the awesome thing about kde, kparts.  gnome could really do well to emulate that
[08:42] <neoncode> holycow: What is kparts?
[08:42] <kkathman> holycow: for instance, if you load up krusader it is also a web browser and ftp machine too :)
[08:42] <Stele> AND i dessert topping!
[08:42] <Stele> i=a
[08:42] <kkathman> As a file manager, Konq is very very good.
[08:42] <holycow> neoncode, everything in kde is an object, you can take an ftp browsing component and stick it into a text editor for example
[08:42] <Tm_T> anyone in dapper?
[08:42] <darkheart> I concur! (about konq)
[08:42] <holycow> so you can instantly get a text editor to save files over ftp without user having a clue
[08:43] <holycow> i would say, and i mean this as a compliment, that kde devs have such a great framework that they are abusing it
[08:43] <neoncode> holycow: So basicly as un-windows like as you can possibly get?
[08:44] <szu> guys, sorry for noob question, but how does one set global keybinding in KDE to let say launch Konsole?
[08:44] <holycow> neoncode, well, thats a broad brush.  they do a lot of things well but most of that stems from centralized control of the os and the support a monopoly garners as a pseudo standard
[08:45] <crimsun> raphink: yes?
[08:46] <holycow> another usability example: the kde applications menu.  i have a 3200x1200 dual monitor setup.  the panel is set to tiny.  the kde apps menu is a eeety bitty little square, it's hard to click on
[08:47] <neoncode> is "eeety" actualy a word anyway?
[08:47] <holycow> another weird thing: i set up panel to not allow app overlap.  thats great.  but its dual moni, and my panel occupies the top of only the right hand moni.  when i drag apps onto the moni without panel all the apps obey that rule even there.
[08:47] <socketbind> howdy, how do I disable the entire automount thingy?
[08:47] <socketbind> I killed ivman but this thing shows up should I stop HAL too?
[08:48] <neoncode> HAL?
[08:48] <holycow> does kubuntu automount usb stuff btw?
[08:48] <socketbind> I dunno suse had some scripts integrated into HAL that automounted stuff
[08:48] <socketbind> I would not want any kind of automount on my system
[08:49] <socketbind> It drives me nuts, when I pop in a blank cd konqueror shows up and the what-should-I-do-with-this dialog thingy
[08:49] <socketbind> and when I select do nothing it ejects right before k3b wants to write the cd
[08:49] <holycow> yes but put in a usb stick, how do you mount that?
[08:50] <socketbind> I would create a device link on the desktop or mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk :D
[08:50] <holycow> lol you know what i mean
[08:50] <socketbind> ok ok I upgraded to KDE3.5 and I expected to some things to be broken
[08:50] <socketbind> but this drives me NUTS
[08:50] <holycow> okay end of experiment :)  in terms of my personal opinion, i think the two projects should merge.  they both have some trully excellent ideas and implementations
[08:50] <holycow> thx for the help guys :)
[08:52] <Flixor-> i got a strange message
[08:52] <Flixor-> alueError: User ID 0 appears more than once.
[08:52] <szu> I have a problem with auto mount too
[08:52] <szu> I have iPod with ipodlinux installed
[08:52] <szu> it has 3 partitions, and 3rd one should _not_ be ever mounted
[08:53] <szu> hal correctly marks it as 'not mountable'
[08:53] <szu> but kde mounts it anyway
[08:53] <szu> any idea?
[08:54] <JakubS> initng works quite nicely :-)
[08:54] <JakubS> and it makes startup faster
[08:55] <szu> should be default in dapper
[08:55] <crimsun> initng? Not a chance.
[08:55] <szu> why not/
[08:55] <szu> ?
[08:55] <crimsun> because Scott's doing neat (but highly grrr) things with udev
[08:55] <szu> all I hear is ubuntu boot-up improvements
[08:56] <szu> and it still is slowest booting distro I had
[08:56] <crimsun> you're probably not using Dapper at the moment, then
[08:56] <szu> and the splash is just awful ;-)
[08:56] <socketbind> will ever stuff like paralell booting be in ubuntu ?:)
[08:56] <socketbind> like init-ng?
[08:56] <socketbind> or whatever?
[08:56] <JakubS> crimsun: what is the problem with udev and initng?
[08:57] <socketbind> hmm initng works?
[08:57] <socketbind> whoa how can I try it? :DD
[08:57] <crimsun> JakubS: initng is the wrong way to go about it, I agree with Scott there
[08:57] <JakubS> ./configure --prefix=/ && make install && init=/sbin/initng in grub and it just worked
[08:57] <crimsun> socketbind: it already does with the udev New World Order
[08:58] <JakubS> crimsun: so what do you recommend instead of initng
[08:58] <JakubS> ?
[08:58] <socketbind> o_O? and it's somehow compatible with the old sysvinit way?
[08:58] <socketbind> oh maaan this drives me insane
[08:58] <socketbind> every time I want to insert a blank cd
[08:58] <socketbind> it gets ejected right before k3b wants to write it
[08:58] <crimsun> JakubS: I personally think Scott's onto something, and everyone wowed by initng is just barking up the wrong tree to an extent
[08:59] <socketbind> geez I totally don't get it nearly makes me cry lol
[08:59] <socketbind> how did I deserved this
[08:59] <JakubS> oh, we have case of 'Scott's onto something' vs 'there is initng, it works, and works quite nicely'
[08:59] <JakubS> guess what looks better :-)
[08:59] <crimsun> initng has a very nice ideal, but ultimately it doesn't resolve the /dev issue, which is what Scott's dealing with
[09:00] <szu> yet another 'suse has it working for 2 years now', but we will show them!
[09:00] <JakubS> szu: you can show them by making readahead actually do something useful :-)
[09:00] <JakubS> or just port it from suse and be done with it
[09:00] <socketbind> geez I'll go nuts and slaughter everbody :D
[09:01] <szu> and then my 8 yrs-old sisters asks me to turn off usplash because she liked those 'scrolling words' better
[09:02] <socketbind> I disabled it too
[09:02] <szu> anyway... there's something wrong with automount in 3.5
[09:02] <szu> it ignores hal settings
[09:02] <socketbind> and it drives me nuts too :D
[09:03] <szu> I have drive marked as 'do not mount me' and it mouts it anyway
[09:03] <socketbind> I just selected some wacky action and all blank cds will eject and unmount
[09:03] <socketbind> by default
[09:03] <szu> is it configurable somewhere?
[09:03] <socketbind> I dunno but I killed nearly everthing
[09:03] <socketbind> HAL, ivman
[09:04] <socketbind> anything what would cause this madness
[09:04] <socketbind> this is the strangest stuff I had for years now I totally don't get it why it behaves like this
[09:05] <socketbind> well whatever no pain no gain, I upgraded to 3.5 and I expected to break some stuff but this hard?
[09:05] <szu> well I don't have problems with blank cd's
[09:05] <socketbind> automount totally went nuts for me
[09:05] <szu> it doesn't recognize them, they are completely ignored ;]
[09:06] <socketbind> well whatever, but if it will unmount and eject this cd once more
[09:06] <socketbind> I'll bash this machine
[09:06] <socketbind> :D
[09:06] <socketbind> I'll be damned! :D
[09:06] <socketbind> geez I cannot take it I must destroy something :D
[09:07] <szu> maybe we will switch
[09:07] <szu> take mine
[09:07] <szu> and I'll take yours
[09:07] <socketbind> o.k. :D
[09:07] <szu> my KDE says I don't have any cdroms
[09:07] <szu> where as far as I know I have at least 2
[09:08] <socketbind> mine automounts even that what can't be mounted
[09:08] <socketbind> i killed hald-addon-storage and ivman too now I totally dunno what causes this
[09:08] <socketbind> upgrading to 3.5 was a bad idea
[09:09] <socketbind> but my curiosity overwhelmed me lol
[09:09] <szu> ;]
[09:09] <szu> brb, maybe reboot will cure this damn thing
[09:09] <socketbind> it's not that bad but this automount issue
[09:09] <Set> Simple question. How do I upgrade to KDE 3.5?
[09:09] <socketbind> If you want to keep your hair in place better don't do it :D
[09:09] <Set> I added deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main into my sources list
[09:09] <Tm_T> socketbind: unonstall ivman, install am-utils
[09:10] <socketbind> Tm_T: I killed ivman, it seems that it isn't the culprit
[09:10] <socketbind> Set: I did a dist-upgrade and everything was fine
[09:11] <Tm_T> yu
[09:11] <Tm_T> but uninstall it, it's pain in the ass anyway
[09:11] <Tm_T> and install am-utils
[09:11] <socketbind> o.k. if you say so
[09:11] <socketbind> die ivman dieee boom
[09:11] <Set> nm. I figured it out
[09:12] <Tm_T> Set: np ;)
[09:13] <Set> socketbind: I did so aswell. Didn't see the "apply" button in Adept :$
[09:15] <rathma> hi all
[09:16] <socketbind> szia rathma
[09:16] <socketbind> :)
[09:17] <rathma> szia socketbind
[09:17] <socketbind> we should talk in english that was just politeness ;)
[09:17] <socketbind> or patriotism whatever :D
[09:18] <rathma> socketbind, speak eljek english onli?
[09:18] <socketbind> yes rathma :D
[09:18] <socketbind> though I'm hungarian too
[09:19] <Chousuke> I know a couple hungarian words. :o
[09:19] <rathma> socketbind, ok:) kde 3.5 cool :) im use ubuntu original + KDE:)
[09:20] <socketbind> rathma: I installed kde3.5 and automouting went nuts for me :D
[09:20] <Chousuke> I learned them mostly when a friend of mine who studies hungarian gave examples of a few words that resemble finnish ones :)
[09:20] <rathma> sorry my english light:)
[09:21] <rathma> socketbind, :)
[09:21] <rathma> ubu good distro
[09:21] <Chousuke> Yes ;P
[09:21] <Chousuke> I wish I still had unpartitioned space on my powerbook
[09:21] <demon71> anyone help me out with some Audio issues
[09:22] <szu> you creazy hungarians how do manage not to break your tougue? ;-)
[09:22] <socketbind> haha I would say the opposite lol :D
[09:22] <szu> last year I was working with some romanian girls
[09:22] <szu> one of them was odd and didn't talk to anyone
[09:23] <szu> it turn out that she was Transilvanian (?)
[09:23] <socketbind> let me guess, she was hungarian? :D
[09:23] <Chousuke> If hungarian pronunciation is anything like Finnish it shouldn't be that bad.
[09:23] <socketbind> oh transylvanian
[09:23] <socketbind> that's nice too
[09:23] <rathma> Yes Im crazy Hungaryan:)
[09:23] <socketbind> there's some funny quote about hungarians
[09:23] <socketbind> "Aliens are among us, they're called hungarians"? :D
[09:23] <szu> she was really nice, spoke fluently: english, romanian, hungarian and latin
[09:24] <socketbind> someone famous said this
[09:24] <socketbind> it's kinda funny
[09:24] <szu> ;]
[09:25] <socketbind> well I gave up with this automount issue
[09:25] <szu> they say that once you master hungarian lang. there's nothing challenging left to do ;-)
[09:25] <socketbind> I'll fix it later
[09:25] <socketbind> well imho hungarian is one of the most complex languages :D
[09:25] <socketbind> but finnish is rather funny I agree
[09:26] <socketbind> it's as funny as hungarian
[09:26] <szu> not sure if it's complex but definately hard to pronounce
[09:26] <robotgeek> hmm, guys..#kubuntu-offtopic welcomes you with this offtopic conversation :)
[09:27] <socketbind> okeydokey I'll stop :D
[09:27] <Tm_T> no it dont
[09:27] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> hmm, wondering one thing...
[09:27] <szu> aren't we active #kubuntu users deciding what's 'on topic'? ;-)
[09:28] <Tm_T> no, that's me ] ;=
[09:28] <Chousuke> No-one's talking about on-topic matters anyway
[09:28] <socketbind> I'm passive kubuntu user now :D
[09:28] <Chousuke> I wish they'd send me mu Breezy CDs already
[09:28] <Chousuke> my*
[09:28] <szu> I got them last week
[09:28] <Chousuke> I ordered some CDs just before Breezy was out
[09:29] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> now I know how that thing works
[09:30] <socketbind> the funny things is
[09:30] <socketbind> every time I lay my hands on a new distro
[09:30] <socketbind> it just matter of weeks
[09:30] <socketbind> till I nuke it
[09:30] <socketbind> I tend to install too much bleeding edge stuff
[09:30] <levander> Anybody know why when I click "Burn" k3b is only giving me the option to "Only Create Image"?  I don't just want to create an image, I also want it burned to DVD.
[09:30] <socketbind> and everything gets nuked
[09:32] <levander> apparently i had to click on "k3b defaults", then the dialog changed dramatically.  wierd.
[09:32] <szu> levander: do you have access to your writer?
[09:32] <levander> szu: i'm pretty sure i do
[09:32] <levander> szu: not sure though
[09:33] <szu> then check it ;-)
[09:33] <levander> szu: how?
[09:33] <szu> in the console type: ls -l /dev/hd*
[09:33] <szu> hda* is probably your disk
[09:33] <szu> and then hdc or hdd will be your writer
[09:34] <szu> paste it here
[09:34] <szu> and then type: groups and paste it here also
[09:34] <levander> szu: yeah, i'm in the cdrom group which has rw permissions on /dev/hdc
[09:34] <szu> have you run k3bsetup?
[09:35] <socketbind> geez
[09:35] <socketbind> my friend nuked his machine once more
[09:35] <levander> szu: clicking "k3b defaults" in k3b changed that dialog so that I was presented with the option to burn a disc and not just create an iso
[09:36] <socketbind> why just everything gets broken around me? :D
[09:36] <levander> szu: but i just tried burning the disc and got ":-( write failed: Input/output error"
[09:36] <szu> perhaps you happen to be Bastard Operator From Hell? ;>
[09:36] <Chousuke> My stepsister has a similar effect on machines.
[09:36] <socketbind> szu: that must be my alter ego :D
[09:36] <levander> socketbind: if he keeps nuking his machine, should he be running linux?
[09:37] <socketbind> he nukes linux too lol
[09:37] <socketbind> he nukes anything what he lays his hands on
[09:37] <Chousuke> everytime she has used any of my machines they either lock up or apps start crashing or otherwise acting weird.
[09:37] <szu> give him steel ball and he'll break it too
[09:37] <szu> ;]
[09:37] <Chousuke> even OS X locked up when she used it.
[09:37] <socketbind> my girlfriend crashed my BSD too
[09:37] <bhna> levander have enable the correct driver in k3b
[09:37] <Chousuke> It's seriously WTF-inducing
[09:38] <szu> levander: is it first time you use k3b?
[09:38] <Chousuke> OS X has only once locked up for me
[09:38] <socketbind> I dunno if women have some "bad vibes" that screw up machines
[09:38] <socketbind> but I'll scientifically prove it
[09:39] <Chousuke> I don't know why it did that, but it hasn't done its since... until my sister used the machine
[09:39] <Chousuke> :P
[09:39] <szu> it's been matematically (through induction) been proved that women is the root of all evil
[09:39] <Chousuke> now it's been running stable for a few months, and currently 18 days without a reboot
[09:39] <socketbind> well I'll be damned if my sister will not nuke her fresh-all-shiny kubuntu install on her machine
[09:39] <levander> Chousuke: yeah, basically first time, i've played with it once or twice before
[09:40] <szu> levander: run k3bsetup first to make sure everything is set up as it should be
[09:40] <bhna> levander: what is you cdrdao driver auto or other?
[09:41] <socketbind> not women are the root of all evil
[09:41] <socketbind> it these freaking pesky computers
[09:42] <Chousuke> All the feeks who code the OSes infect them with anti-woman vibes.
[09:42] <Chousuke> and then the precence of a woman makes them act weird.
[09:42] <Chousuke> presence*
[09:42] <socketbind> and they code wierd to code too
[09:42] <socketbind> -to
[09:44] <socketbind> my kernel is screeching
[09:44] <socketbind> printk: 2510 messages supressed?
[09:44] <szu> oh my... I found a nice bug
[09:44] <socketbind> o_O
[09:44] <szu> I was trying to turnoff tooltips on the taskbar
[09:44] <szu> the big  ones over K menu and so on...
[09:45] <szu> 'Show tooltips' doesn't work
[09:45] <socketbind> then file a bug report :D
[09:45] <szu> instead 'Enlarge icons under cursor' does ;]
[09:46] <socketbind> geez every time I head "enlarge" I associate with those stupid spams
[09:46] <socketbind> hear*
[09:46] <sorush20> guys I'm just backing up my home folder .. if I were to format and reinstall kubuntu all I would have to is to copy all my baked up home folder to the new kubuntu system right?
[09:47] <szu> yes, at least in theory
[09:47] <socketbind> you should place your home on another partition
[09:48] <socketbind> \w/ >_< \w/
[09:48] <socketbind> lol
[09:49] <sorush20> guys what backup tool are all using ?
[09:49] <szu> tar
[09:49] <socketbind> tar rocks
[09:50] <socketbind> or kdar perhaps
[09:50] <gibarian> hey everyone....anyone know about known problems with Skype in Kubuntu?
[09:50] <socketbind> gibarian: it has just damn slow startup for me
[09:50] <szu> cu guys
[09:50] <socketbind> bye szu
[09:51] <gibarian> socketbind: It keeps telling me that there's a problem with the sound device....
[09:51] <socketbind> that's fun, try to disable the sound server
[09:51] <socketbind> btw. your nick comes from solaris?
[09:51] <_jonas> Plz help me! How do I install programs like firefox, skype etc. in Kubuntu. I am downloading the file, extracting it using Ark...and then what?
[09:51] <socketbind> _jonas: use adept, you don't need to download anything by hand
[09:52] <JakubS> hm, making initng work required some effort after all
[09:52] <_jonas> Socketbind: and where is adept?
[09:52] <socketbind> K Menu -> System -> Adept Package Manager
[09:52] <gibarian> socketbind: yes, it does....like the book/movie?
[09:52] <socketbind> yes
[09:53] <socketbind> I'm searching for the old russian movie and the new with george clooney
[09:53] <gibarian> socketbind: there's no skype in adept, or is there?
[09:53] <socketbind> well there is not, but he should install firefox from there
[09:53] <gibarian> socketbind: the tarkovsky movie should be available online...and the soderbergh one is all over the place
[09:54] <socketbind> well I love strange themed scifi's but that's offtopic so we better stop :D
[09:54] <socketbind> _jonas: you should untar the skype package you downloaded
[09:54] <sampan> gibarian  if you have the right repos (plf free and non-free) you can adept/apt-get skype
[09:54] <socketbind> in your home anywhere you want
[09:55] <socketbind> you will have a binary called skype in the dir where you extracted it
[09:55] <socketbind> just run it
[09:56] <_jonas> socketbind: excuse my lack of knowledge...I am brand new to Kubuntu..Untar?
[09:57] <socketbind> just unpack it with ark somewhere in your home
[09:57] <_jonas> Thnks
[09:57] <gibarian> sampan: oh, I think I've all sorts of alternative repos added, but it never showed up...oh well, I downloaded the static version
[09:58] <socketbind> plf has this stuff indeed :)
[09:58] <sampan> gibarian  *nod*  either way works i think ... the ubuntu source-o-matic site has the plf repos -- that's where i got it
[09:59] <gibarian> sampan: by the way, I tried installing the deb from the skype site, but that's spitting out some unmet dependency problem about another qt version
[10:00] <jbueler> umm is there a way to set up a dual monitor system with kubuntu?
[10:00] <jbueler> is it as easy as getting the correct drivers for the second video card?
[10:01] <sampan> gibarian, yep -- that happened with me too -- i managed to get it to workaround (googlage help) -- it worked okay though, but the repo is just nice b/c it's fire-and-forget :X
[10:02] <gibarian> sampan: yes, it is, that's quite true
[10:04] <doctormo> Hey all
[10:04] <doctormo> got an odd problem with my network
[10:05] <_jonas> What is the difference between Gnome and KDE? Is it possible to run Bittorrent for Gnome (ubuntu) on my KDE (Kubuntu)?
[10:06] <doctormo> _jonas: yes, because Qt will run on KDE
[10:07] <_jonas> thnks
[10:07] <neoncode> How do you play .mov files?
[10:07] <socketbind> this source-o-matic is nice but where can I get the keys I need?
[10:07] <doctormo> neoncode: you need to aquire a media player with quick time support
[10:08] <neoncode> doctormo: Such as?
[10:09] <neoncode> doctormo: Oh wait, an adept search for "quicktime" gave some results.
[10:10] <doctormo> neoncode: I found ffmpeg
[10:12] <socketbind> bye
[10:16] <neoncode> doctormo: I thought ffmpeg only encoded files?
[10:17] <doctormo> neoncode: according to Quicktime 4 linux page it does decode. as long as you found somthing, do you need a hand searching?
[10:17] <neoncode> doctormo: Found something?
[10:19] <doctormo> yes, have you found somthing?
[10:20] <neoncode> doctormo: Well i got "libquicktime1"
[10:21] <doctormo> neoncode: cool, instaled?
[10:21] <neoncode> yep, but just a sec...
[10:27] <now3d> Hi, I am trying to find mozilla mail news package, to go with mozilla 1.7 on ubuntu, but it does not seem to be in the repository today.. it was there but had a dep problem yesterday
[10:30] <neoncode> doctormo: Ahh, I think the .mov file i was trying to play was corroupted. oh well. Oh what video sink is the best for kaffine?
[10:37] <Maniqui> hi. i'm about to give up with Kubuntu :(
[10:37] <Maniqui> i have achieved to connect to my wireless router (at least, it responds when pinging it)
[10:37] <Maniqui> but I cant connect to the internet.
[10:38] <Maniqui> But that isnt all. There is something I cannot understand:
[10:38] <robotgeek> Maniqui: can you check your logs, with dmesg | less, and see if your packets are being blocked?
[10:39] <Maniqui> the first times I went to system -> network settings, I clic on "Administrador Mode", put the password, and then I can modify the network settings
[10:40] <Maniqui> but now, that doesnt works anymore: if I clic in Administrator Mode, and put the password, all the options remains in grey (desactivated)
[10:40] <Maniqui> robotgeek, I will check that
[10:40] <Maniqui> i'm in windows right now
[10:40] <Maniqui> my wi-fi card works perfectly with my router settings here in windows
[10:41] <Maniqui> but I have reinstalled twice Kubuntu, because of the "Administrator Mode" problem.
[10:42] <sorush20> guys why is it that in k3b you have to erase a CDRW but you have to format a DVDRW?
[10:51] <now3d> sorush20: I think just different terms, DVDRW is different technology
[10:52] <now3d> does anyone know where i can find mozilla-mail package for kubuntu 5.10 install please...?
[10:59] <sorush20> mozilla mail package?
[10:59] <sorush20> !mozilla mail package
[10:59] <ubotu> sorush20: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:06] <bhna> !mplayer
[11:06] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:07] <hunika> hello how can i register here
[11:08] <bhna> !java
[11:08] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:08] <bhna> !javadebs
[11:08] <ubotu> [javadebs]  Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:12] <Foodcoman> hunika you register with the nickserv
[11:25] <francois> bonsoir
[11:25] <robotgeek> hi francois
[11:26] <francois> Je suis un vieux utilisateur de MDK et je teste un peu kubuntu
[11:26] <francois> Hi
[11:26] <robotgeek> !fr
[11:26] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[11:26] <robotgeek> :)
[11:27] <francois> Es-ce que quelqu'un sait comment je recupre les packages de filesharin still appolon
[11:27] <robotgeek> francois: i don't speak french, so sorry
[11:28] <francois> Ok
[11:28] <francois> Thank
[11:28] <robotgeek> try joining the french channel with /join #kubuntu-fr
[11:29] <francois> I do so
[11:30] <francois> my question is to know if somebody can help me to get filesharing package like apollon
[11:31] <robotgeek> francois: apollon is in the repos
[11:31] <robotgeek> francois: you just need to enable the universe repository
[11:31] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell francois about repos
[11:32] <francois> that means
[11:32] <robotgeek> francois: follow the link which ubotu sent you. it has instructions there
[11:32] <francois> I am kubuntu new user
[11:32] <francois> OK
[11:33] <francois> where is it
[11:33] <robotgeek> francois: check your pm
[11:34] <robotgeek> francois: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:35] <francois> I see
[11:35] <francois> I have to change my sources.list, if i undestand
[11:36] <robotgeek> francois: yes
[11:37] <francois> I try it. I am Mandrake user and i try ubuntu for the first time. It's nice
[11:37] <gnomefreak> are the kubuntu sources listed as ubuntu in the sourceslist?
[11:38] <robotgeek> francois: good to know :)
[11:41] <mtupper> I am getting some tips from a Gentoo HOWTO and am looking for the kubuntu equivalent to:   $HOME/.xsession    so that I can add:   /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap   to it.  Anybody have any ideas?
[11:41] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[11:42] <robotgeek> mtupper: you can run it at session startup?
[11:42] <robotgeek> i meant on kde-startup
[11:43] <duende> Help : I'm trying to install ATi drivers in kubuntu using a guide on the forums.  After buliding the packages, when i try to install the resulting deb files, it says it requires xserver-xorg >=6.99.99 .  Any ideas?
[11:43] <mtupper> robotgeek, sorry?  didn't follow you
[11:43] <robotgeek> mtupper: you can add 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' to run when kde logs in?
[11:45] <granbar> Hey
[11:45] <granbar> I'm having trouble using fglrx
[11:45] <duende> granbar: what kind of trouble?
[11:46] <granbar> I've tried to follow the instructions I've found around on the web, but still fglrxinfo tells me I'm using mesa
[11:47] <granbar> I can see that the kernel module flgrx is used by 0
[11:47] <duende> granbar: basically you install the modules, change the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to "fglrx" (instead of "ati"). Then restart your Xserver.  Ensure that X is using the right config file by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:48] <granbar> A-ha!
[11:48] <duende> which was it?
[11:48] <granbar> the log tells me that 3D-rendering is disabled
[11:49] <duende> mmkay
[11:49] <mtupper> robotgeek, sorry, but perhaps I am too much of a rookie and really need it spelled out...  I sort of follow you, but not 100%  how do I get that string to run at login?  also, please check this out, I cant find a ~/.xprofile  either...       http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys#KDE
[11:49] <granbar> DRI initialization failed!
[11:49] <duende> but is it using the right config file?
[11:49] <granbar> (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[11:49] <granbar> I am
[11:50] <robotgeek> mtupper: sorry about that
[11:52] <robotgeek> mtupper: i take it that your wasn't detected
[11:53] <Aaden> gah can anyone tell me why after i upgraded to kde 3.5 i nolonger can find my drives anymore
[11:53] <oracel> kde ate them
[11:53] <oracel> development makes binaries hungry
[11:53] <Aaden> lawl yea thats why a that giant pengiun got eaten by the k
[11:53] <oracel> yes :o
[11:54] <mtupper> robotgeek, that my what wasnt detected?
[11:54] <Aaden> i tryed to stop it but i was overpowered
[11:54] <robotgeek> mtupper: your keyboard
[11:55] <mtupper> well, everything works except for the multimedia controls...
[11:55] <robotgeek> mtupper: you already tried the khotkeys program?
[11:56] <mtupper> robotgeek, I have found the keycodes for everything, etc...
[11:56] <DocTomoe> could someone please tell me if this bug only appears on my machines? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101803
[11:56] <mtupper> i looked at it, but it didnt... hmmm, let me check that again.
[11:57] <robotgeek> mtupper: since i don't really use kde, this might be an issue. tho, creating the .xprofile file might just work
[11:58] <granbar> Would anybody know why DRI isn't loaded in my kernel? :)
[11:59] <granbar> ?
[12:00] <granbar> Is that why?
[12:00] <Aaden> yup
[12:00] <Aaden> thunderous kick of doom
[12:00] <granbar> dmesg | grep -i kick
[12:00] <granbar> doesn't give any output
[12:01] <DocTomoe> what is DRI ?
[12:01] <Aaden> gah i still dont know why i cant find my drives
[12:02] <granbar> Aaden: Try to connect them
[12:02] <kkathman> DRI = driving really idiotic
[12:02] <kkathman> ??
[12:02] <kinfo> what?
[12:02] <granbar> DocTomoe: It's got something to do with 3D accelerators
[12:02] <Aaden> gah they are connected they disappeared on me after i upgraded to kde 3.5
[12:03] <granbar> Aaden: External drives?
[12:03] <DocTomoe> i see ... pretty useless stuff, then (if one does not happen o be a CS student...)
[12:03] <granbar> Hehe