[00:36] <sethj> erm, how is this a Unity bug?
[00:36] <sethj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1166124
[04:12] <robert_ancell> bye all
[05:41] <hikiko> hello
[05:54] <larsu> bonjour!
[06:06] <didrocks> good morning
[06:10] <seb128> hey didrocks & desktopers
[06:11] <didrocks> re seb128!
[06:11] <seb128> re :-)
[06:18] <larsu> good morning didrocks and seb128! How were your weekends?
[06:18] <seb128> hey larsu!
[06:18] <seb128> excellent, thanks! what about you?
[06:21] <larsu> seb128: great thanks! Went to the movies, met with my sisters, had some beer. All in all pretty relaxing :)
[06:22] <seb128> great
[06:23] <seb128> we were in France for the w.e, was nice, though spent a bit of time on the road
[06:23] <seb128> we even managed to do a have a bbq yesterday
[06:23] <seb128> 19°C and sunny, felt like 25°C ;-)
[06:24] <larsu> wow!
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning larsu! we stayed mostly at home and sneezing :)
[06:25] <didrocks> but feeling way better now
[06:25] <didrocks> still not 100% "fixed" but better
[06:25] <larsu> :(
[06:25] <larsu> at least it's better now
[06:25] <didrocks> yep
[06:30] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[06:30] <seb128> hey pitti
[06:30] <seb128> pitti, comment ça va ?
[06:30] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[06:31] <seb128> pitti, on a reçu le stollen samedi, merci beaucoup !
[06:31] <larsu> guten morgen pitti!
[06:35] <pitti> seb128: c'est grand !
[06:35]  * pitti waves from Budapest
[06:35] <didrocks> pitti: first meeting soon?
[06:35] <pitti> didrocks: intro meeting now, yes
[06:35] <seb128> pitti, I hope the budapest week isn't going to be too stressing!
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: ah, I know that the next one will be """my""" topic
[06:36] <didrocks> let's see how it goes
[06:40] <pitti> didrocks: how do you mean?
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: the thing I worked on last week, snappy dev experience
[06:42] <didrocks> you will see, tell me how much olli is sweating :p
[06:49] <Sweet5hark> moin all!
[06:49] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark
[06:50] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: heya there
[06:51] <larsu> morning Sweet5hark
[06:57] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[06:58] <seb128> how are you?
[06:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: survived LibreOffice conference. All feeling rather well, by biggest worry is us not getting complacent now (which usually is a good sign) ...
[07:00] <seb128> lol
[07:00] <seb128> still lot to do on libreoffice though
[07:00] <seb128> get it smaller, split the component, make it fit for mobile :-)
[07:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, yeah. you first, where's your patch?
[07:01] <Sweet5hark> ;P
[07:01] <seb128> well; you are the one who said that you can get complacent :p
[07:02] <Sweet5hark> seb128: lol, indeed. thanks for the help then!
[07:02] <seb128> :-)
[07:16] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock if you have some time later could you take a look here: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.fix-811591/+merge/272359 ?
[07:33] <seb128> hey hikiko
[07:34] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[07:39] <Trevinho> Morning!
[07:39] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[07:40] <Trevinho> seb128: good! You?
[07:40] <seb128> good as well, thanks
[07:41] <Trevinho> hikiko: Mh I've looked at it but not tried and checked the internals
[07:41] <Trevinho> :-*
[07:41] <Trevinho> Err
[07:41] <Trevinho> :-)
[07:42] <larsu> morning Trevinho and hikiko!
[07:44] <hikiko> lol
[07:45] <hikiko> hi Trevinho larsu
[07:50] <willcooke> Good morning you fine fellows
[07:51] <larsu> hi willcooke
[07:51] <larsu> happy Monday
[07:51] <didrocks> good morning willcooke
[07:51] <willcooke> yay?
[07:51] <willcooke> hey didrocks
[07:52] <willcooke> larsu, saw this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1494361
[07:52] <willcooke> larsu, is that likely related to the stuff you've been working on?
[07:54] <larsu> willcooke: vaguely
[07:54] <larsu> great. Let's make a screenshot of the dialog box that says the error is described in a log
[07:54] <larsu> ah, log is attached as well. /me ranted too quickly
[07:55] <larsu> unable to resolve host. This should be easy
[07:55] <willcooke> yeah, just saw that right at the end
[07:55] <larsu> who maintains ubiquity?
[07:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: just for completeness -- coming back for your goals for LibreOffice: get it smaller => ongoing, split the components => wont happen really beyond what we have, make it fit for mobile => ongoing. I would add: add more testing and continue stability and filter quality improvements (ongoing) and ... implement collaboration (ongoing).
[07:56] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:56] <willcooke> larsu, looks like cyphermox has the most commits
[07:57] <seb128> larsu, cyphermox does
[07:57] <willcooke> morning seb128, thanks for updating that greeter bug already
[07:57] <larsu> thanks. I'll have a chat with him when he's around
[07:57] <seb128> willcooke, yw
[07:58] <larsu> Trevinho, didrocks: speaking of bugs - did you see my comment on that accelgrab patch?
[07:58] <larsu> I tried making it subscribe multiple times, to no avail
[07:58] <didrocks> larsu: oh, I didn't, let me have a look
[07:59] <larsu> I can imagine two other scenarios: (1) u-s-d crashes but there's no log (2) something other than u-s-d races with grabbing those accels for didrocks
[07:59] <didrocks> I guess it's clearly 2 for me
[07:59] <didrocks> we would have the .crash file otherwise (and I didn't see anything in gnome-session logs/upstart…)
[08:00] <larsu> we could find out who that is by logging the d-bus traffic on login
[08:00] <seb128> larsu, didrocks, Trevinho, I read the irclog from friday afternoon, did you get to a conclusion on the issue/what to do to fix it?
[08:00] <didrocks> seb128: we know what state it's in and so why it doesn't respond
[08:00] <larsu> seb128: ish. We definitely understand the issue now, but are unsure of the cause
[08:00] <didrocks> seb128: we don't know how it goes to that state though
[08:00] <seb128> k
[08:01] <seb128> is that enough to know how to make the code more robust to the situation?
[08:01] <didrocks> so, it's possible at least to have Unity being more resilient
[08:01] <seb128> k, that's something
[08:01] <didrocks> but you know what I think about bugs we don't understand fully…
[08:01] <didrocks> it will strick back in other way later and be worse…
[08:01] <larsu> seb128: the Best Way would be to change the interface
[08:01] <seb128> ideally we would still understand what's going on
[08:01] <larsu> it's remarkably bad
[08:01] <didrocks> yeah
[08:02] <seb128> did gnome-shell change theirs?
[08:02] <larsu> no
[08:02] <seb128> or are we still using the same one?
[08:02] <larsu> same
[08:02] <seb128> k
[08:02] <seb128> in practice I don't think we need to be compatible there
[08:02] <larsu> probably gnome-shell implements it with less bugs than unity
[08:02] <seb128> I doubt anyone mix components from g-s and unity
[08:02] <didrocks> larsu: or we need transactions over dbus! :-)
[08:02] <larsu> which is why they don't see issues (that often?!)
[08:03] <larsu> seb128: I agree, I think we should change it, but we decided against it because we need to backport, too and don't want a large changeset
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, you seem to be able to reproduce easy?
[08:03] <seb128> larsu, right
[08:03] <larsu> didrocks: you can do transactions if you do it ... right
[08:03] <lan3y> HAI
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: yeah… now once every 4 logins…
[08:03] <larsu> didrocks: anyway. how do we log your session start?
[08:03] <lan3y> OH WEIRD NICJ
[08:03] <lan3y> K
[08:04] <seb128> didrocks, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Bustle_Boot_Log_Under_Upstart
[08:04] <seb128> that's a nice hack to get login dbus activity
[08:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:04] <larsu> Laney: happy Monday! How are you?
[08:04] <seb128> didrocks, might be useful to get info on what is doing the registration
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Guest61035 -ney ;)
[08:04] <larsu> lol
[08:05] <Guest61035> at lest you tab completed right this time :)
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, not as of now, I spent too much time and lagging behind on Ubuntu make, but at least, Trevinho won't block on that and can implement the fix in between
[08:05] <didrocks> Guest61035: that's copy and paste! :)
[08:05] <larsu> larsu: why are  you changing your nick all the time?
[08:05] <larsu> ah shit, now it happened to me
[08:05] <seb128> is it friday yet?
[08:06] <larsu> it's always Friday in some part of the world
[08:06] <seb128> hehe
[08:06]  * larsu goes away reading about time zones work again
[08:06] <seb128> is desrt around those days?
[08:06] <seb128> we seem to have several glib update issues :-/
[08:06] <seb128> bug #1498945
[08:07] <seb128> bug #1495943 could be as well, gvfs didn't change this cycle
[08:07] <larsu> she's at openhelp iirc
[08:07] <seb128> larsu, are you the backup glib hacker? ;-)
[08:07] <seb128> also did attente go anywhere with the assert issue?
[08:07]  * larsu whistles
[08:07] <Laney> I filed those glib bugs upstream
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, bug watches on launchpad man :-)
[08:08] <Laney> way before those
[08:08] <larsu> srlsy
[08:08] <larsu> haha
[08:08] <Laney> this was like 4 months ago
[08:08] <seb128> shrug
[08:08] <larsu> gotta love it when everyone is triaging
[08:08] <seb128> we should file them on launchpad and rls-w-incoming them
[08:08] <seb128> I would have started nagging desrt earlier
[08:08] <seb128> in the cycle
[08:08] <Laney> I already told him about them
[08:09] <seb128> hum
[08:09] <Laney> and pinged in #gtk a couple of weeks ago
[08:09] <seb128> seems he doesn't have cycle to work on them then?
[08:09] <seb128> what's plan B?
[08:10] <Laney> plan b if nobody fixes a bug?
[08:10] <Laney> ...have the bug?
[08:10] <larsu> uh oh
[08:10] <seb128> revert to a version no thaving the regression?
[08:10] <seb128> well at least the ews issue started between .7 and .8
[08:10] <seb128> so shouldn't be too difficult to bisect/find the commit
[08:11]  * seb128 looks at the git commit log
[08:15] <seb128> we might need https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=2d7817887a9f0624f73492d04b2a992545f0beb9
[08:15] <seb128> that's pointed as creating issues on at least https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755609
[08:15] <seb128> well the commit is
[08:15] <seb128> that revert was after .46
[08:16] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755496 also
[09:00] <hikiko> andyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/859273 I think you fixed this bug a few weeks ago isn't it?
[09:00] <hikiko> should I change the status to fix released?
[09:01] <hikiko> (probably that was a duplicate that remained in the list)
[09:01] <larsu> hikiko: can this even be fixed without moving notifications into compiz itself?
[09:02] <larsu> or do they have some hint set?
[09:02] <hikiko> larsu, I think this is fixed already by andyrock
[09:02] <hikiko> I just want to make sure before I change the status
[09:02] <hikiko> I don't know how he fixed it tbh
[09:05] <larsu> hikiko: right, it's still an issue on W, so please don't close the (ubuntu) one yet
[09:05] <hikiko> mmm ok! but I can't reproduce it :s
[09:07] <larsu> still the same for me. Maybe you have a newer compiz installed?
[09:13] <hikiko> larsu, I don't think so, maybe I am not following the steps correctly, I ll try again
[09:14]  * larsu just typed `git checkout gnome-3-61`
[09:14] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/732784 this one sucks too, my desktop "froze" (mouse is grabbed) and I think it's unity related :/ there are many mouse grabs when unity runs with expo/switcher/other plugins and I can't figure out why yet
[09:14] <hikiko> screen grab sorry
[09:31] <seb128> Laney, is there any reason to not upload that glib "revert of unwanted change" directly to wily? it might not fix all the issues but it does fix some upstream reported bugs and might fix some other bugs on the way
[09:43] <Laney> Package: glib2.0
[09:43] <Laney> Package-Time: 514
[09:43] <Laney> Source-Version: 2.46.0-2
[09:43] <Laney> Space: 645448
[09:43] <Laney> Status: successful
[09:44] <seb128> \o/
[09:44] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[09:44] <larsu> Laney is quicker than irc
[09:45] <Laney> did you see that dezrt is apparently not here this week?
[09:45] <seb128> lol, yeah he just asked on the bug to test from a ppa so I was unsure if that was parallel actions or not
[09:45] <Laney> yes
[09:45] <seb128> yeah, just saw that :-/
[09:45] <Laney> faster turnaround
[09:45] <seb128> well, let's see when attente gets online
[09:45] <seb128> the most annoying issue is the menu one
[09:45] <larsu> desrt is just at a conference, will probably be online anyway
[09:45] <seb128> like gedit segfault on start 70% of the time here
[09:45] <seb128> right
[09:46] <Laney> probably not working on bugs though
[09:46] <Laney> or at least not much
[09:46] <Laney> we'll see i guess
[09:46] <larsu> indeed
[09:47] <seb128> yeah, attente was going to bisect glib for the menu issue
[09:47] <seb128> so maybe he found the commit
[10:04] <Sweet5hark> Happy 5th Birthday, LibreOffice! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/09/28/five-years-of-libreoffice/
[10:11] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, Cake??
[10:11] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: https://plus.google.com/+FlorianEffenberger/posts/WkUMN1yg8bi
[10:11] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, :)  I will expect a visit from the postman later on
[10:19]  * Sweet5hark quietly remembers the awesome cake nomnomnoms having had at the LibreOffice conference ...
[10:30] <willcooke> Laney, can haz b&w wallpaper
[10:30] <Laney> sick blud
[10:30] <willcooke> word
[10:31]  * willcooke bigs up the Alconbury massive
[10:41]  * Laney pulls a doughnut around maypole square
[10:42]  * larsu doesn't know wtf people are talking about
[10:42]  * Laney blaps larsu up
[10:43] <ogra_> Laney, would that be a 1927, a 1937 or a 1948 doghnut ?
[10:43] <ogra_> https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/q7bVIZrCH0NDY0Aowm0LKNaA6KU=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4076080/donutspiracy.jpg
[10:44] <larsu> blap?
[10:44] <larsu> sigh
[10:45] <larsu> ogra_: at this rate it must be an inverted doughnut by now
[10:45] <ogra_> haha
[10:45] <ogra_> yeah
[10:45] <Laney> the tighter the better
[10:45]  * Laney hugs larsu
[10:45] <Laney> I'm just being UK yoof
[10:45] <larsu> googling "inverted donut" is ... interesting
[10:46] <larsu> pie charts, 3d donuts, hair styles, breasts, cake
[10:46] <larsu> and this: http://the-food-orb.wikia.com/wiki/Evil_Donut
[10:46]  * larsu hugs Laney back
[10:47] <willcooke> Monday's working to be weird
[10:47] <willcooke> \o/
[11:15]  * larsu is out for lunch
[11:53] <desrt> good morning desktop
[11:54] <hikiko|ln> good morning desrt
[11:54] <hikiko|ln> brb
[11:54] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[12:00] <desrt> i am well, thanks :)
[12:00] <desrt> but i am being scurried along to walk to the venue now.  ciao :)
[12:01] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[12:02] <seb128> desrt, have fun, and don't play too much with portals on the way ;-)
[12:19] <attente> seb128: Laney: unfortunately the bisection didn't work, i finished the bisect on some random irrelevant commit and found that i could only reproduce the crash randomly. then i tried it against glib 2.42.1 and still found it reproducing it so i'm not sure it's a glib bug any more :/
[12:19] <seb128> :-(
[12:20] <seb128> hey attente
[12:20] <seb128> weird, it was consistent here and ld_preloading old glib fixed it
[12:20] <attente> i'm going to look at it some more today though
[12:20] <seb128> also the bug started showing up on e.u.c recently
[12:20] <Laney> it's not random for me if I toggle that plugin
[12:20] <seb128> could be some other component change
[12:21] <seb128> but glib seems the more likely
[12:21] <attente> Laney: i'll try it again with your gedit reproducer
[12:21] <Laney> cool
[12:21] <Laney> sorry it's not git bisect run-able
[12:21] <attente> but i didn't understand why it would still reproduce with 2.42
[12:22] <seb128> are you sure you installed/loaded that version correctly?
[12:23] <attente> seb128: yeah, i was LD_LIBRARY_PATHing into my jhbuild build tree, and checked with ldd to make sure
[12:23] <seb128> weird
[12:24] <attente> but the bug only started appearing in vivid right? when 2.42 is the version from utopic
[12:24] <seb128> right, also I'm unsure if there are several issues
[12:24] <seb128> for sure something changed that make that issue more likely to be hit for a week or so
[12:28] <Laney> seb128: you know... this might be that gsequence fix
[12:28] <Laney> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-h3kZN2/glib2.0-2.46.0/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[12:29] <seb128> Laney, yeah, which is why I asked if you uploaded to the archive, so we can see what issues get resolved with it
[12:29] <Laney> ?
[12:29] <Laney> you didn't mention this bug then
[12:29] <Laney> but you can also try with the ppa
[12:30] <seb128> no, I just said that I wanted to see it in the archive so we can see which ones for the glib issues we discussed recently are resolved
[12:30] <seb128> right, going to do that in a bit
[12:31] <Laney> fixes it for me
[12:31] <seb128> great
[12:31]  * Laney lets attente off the hook
[12:31] <seb128> it's a bit puzzling that we had reports from the assert in vivid though
[12:31] <seb128> but there might be less frequent conditions leading to the same assert
[12:31] <Laney> must be something else
[12:32] <attente> what's the gsequence fix?
[12:33] <seb128> attente, https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=2d7817887a9f0624f73492d04b2a992545f0beb9
[12:35] <qengho> g'morning
[12:36] <seb128> hey qengho
[12:36] <andyrock> good morning!
[12:37] <qengho> Howdy. seb128, I think I'll have a chromium upload to fix failing autopkg test in a few hours.
[12:37] <seb128> qengho, oh, excellent, I was going to ask about that ;-)
[13:05] <cyphermox> larsu: hey! are you hitting that ubiquity timezone bug?
[14:06] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, who is likely the best person to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1499133 ?
[14:07] <andyrock> seb128: Trevinho :D
[14:07] <Trevinho> seb128: I might be
[14:07] <seb128> it's likely triggered as a side effect of the applications crashing on start due the glib bug we discussed earlier
[14:07] <seb128> but it's older than this
[14:07] <seb128> so the glib issue might just lead to a sequence that triggers that ups issue
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I was looking at the stacktrace in fact...
[14:08] <seb128> I can reproduce easily by running pidgin with bonjour enabled and exiting it, so if you need debug info...
[14:08] <Trevinho> seb128: and I don't see any unity source involved, but well.. This doesn't meant there's anything wrong in indicator-appmenu or in unity-gtk-module
[14:09] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, let me know if glib changes affect this
[14:09] <seb128> well, they are going to do by the fact that ups doesn't like apps crashing
[14:10] <seb128> and the glib fix is going to fix apps
[14:10] <seb128> but it doesn't made the segfault case is not still thee
[14:10] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fb90c5cd261c59daee2e455c7e2445e2787affde shows that users hit that case
[14:11] <seb128> oh
[14:12] <seb128> invalid read in valgrind
[14:12] <seb128> https://paste.debian.net/313654/
[14:13] <seb128> no unity code in there, could be a gtk bug
[14:19] <andyrock> seb128: Trevinho  I'm actually seeing similar invalid reads in appmenu-indicator
[14:20] <andyrock> I'm trying to fix the memory leaks in hud and panel services
[14:20] <andyrock> there is no unity code involved
[14:47] <Trevinho> andyrock: cool
[14:47] <Trevinho> andyrock: any progress in finding where the leak might be?
[14:47] <andyrock> not cool at all ;D
[14:47] <andyrock> nope
[14:47] <andyrock> not yet
[14:59] <seb128> does somebody who speaks python review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/except_variable_name/+merge/272617 ?
[14:59] <seb128> +want
[15:16] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-)
[15:16] <didrocks> yw ;-)
[15:17]  * didrocks is really hitting a bottle neck in this "interesting" test story :p
[15:17] <didrocks> good news is that I found a real bug while digging, so…
[15:19] <seb128> well, at least that's something
[15:21] <didrocks> yeah, but it's still not fully solved though :p
[16:15] <seb128> Laney, on https://code.launchpad.net/~justinmcp/aptdaemon/1352654/+merge/243354 you said you would review/upload, is that still on your list?
[16:15] <Laney> no I forgot
[16:15] <Laney> can do, or you can if you want
[16:16] <seb128> I already looked at it but I don't really understand the second chunck/why data is not needed/missing
[16:17] <seb128> I think I tried to ping mvo for a review back then but I guess he's too busy
[16:21] <seb128> that was added in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/revision/955.2.14
[16:21] <larsu> cyphermox: no, but I' in the process of making timezone selection work without hitting geonames.ubuntu.com
[16:22] <larsu> cyphermox: and I think ubiquity ought to use that as well (it's using libtimezonemap now, too, right?)
[16:22] <cyphermox> larsu: I'm pretty sure if geoip.ubuntu.com isn't in the picture there would be no crash.
[16:22] <seb128> larsu, cyphermox, we should probably use the new lib, but that's not going to be for wily, so we need to debug/fix the current issue as well
[16:23] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:24] <larsu> cyphermox: ah, this is not about geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com, but about the ip lookup stuff?
[16:24] <cyphermox> so far I think there's something out of date on geoip, maybe. That could explain timezones not matching. I was going to do an upload to add some extra logs when we get the response from geoip so I could then match the timezone it reports with whatever is in tzsetup
[16:24] <larsu> anyway, I'm not hitting that issue here
[16:24] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone!
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, I don't understand why glatzor did that change so I'm not sure I want to undo it, but if you think it's fine please do (otherwise I'm going to try to ping mvo again) ... if you do upload, could you make python3-aptdaemon depends on gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 (<< 0.9) as well (to fix 1496292)
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, you too
[16:25] <cyphermox> larsu: IP lookup should return you some XML with the location, timezone, etc.
[16:25] <larsu> willcooke just made me aware of it because he knew I'm working on timezone selection stuff
[16:25] <larsu> cyphermox: ah, this is different then
[16:28] <Laney> seb128: well the 'data' is apparently supposed to be the release but it is actually "Ubuntu"
[16:29] <seb128> Laney, so the right fix might be to figure out why it use Ubuntu and make it be the release instead?
[16:30] <Laney> go for it!
[16:30] <seb128> lol
[16:30] <seb128> I see what you are doing
[16:32] <Laney> :D
[16:33] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: Hah, there are even pics of the LibreOffice cake: https://twitter.com/ThisIsSebi/status/647416600178610176 (well, one of three).
[16:33] <seb128> Laney, fine, let's apply the change as suggestion and drop the /Ubuntu, until somebody who knows that stack better do the better changes
[16:33] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, :)
[16:37] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: there is also at least one pic of me with a happy winner of a raspberry pi, though I cannot find it right now ...
[16:37] <Sweet5hark> anyway, EOD
[16:38] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, that would be handy when you find it.  cya
[16:46]  * qengho afk lunch
[16:54] <Laney> seb128: I found some docs and it seems that data is usually the repository
[16:54] <Laney> not the release
[17:11] <seb128> Laney, repository using which format?
[17:14] <Laney> format?
[17:15] <Laney> it's like "Ubuntu"
[17:55] <qengho> desrt: Do you mind advising me? A XDG desktop file can have one or more sections, some of which have Exec lines? That is: more than one "Exec...=" line if there are more than one sections for other Actions?
[17:56] <qengho> But only one Exec per section.
[18:07] <larsu> qengho: ya. the main section is when activating an application from the launcher (or similar), the other ones are named actions that appear in the right click menu of the launcher
[18:08]  * larsu jumps in for desrt, who is at openhelp right now
[18:13] <qengho> larsu: Okay, thank you. Of those other sections, there can be an Exec line in them?  That is "grep -c ^Exec foo.desktop" can return greater than 1, and it's not an error?
[18:16] <larsu> qengho: yes, actions also have exec lines (for example, thunderbird's "Contacts" actions simply calls the main binary with a -addressbook switch)
[18:17] <qengho> larsu: thanks! The spec seems obvious, but I'm checking assumptions to track a weird problem.
[18:17] <larsu> ah, good luck!
[18:20] <willcooke> g'night all
[18:21] <willcooke> feeling a bit coldly this afternoon, sure I will be around tomorrow but will email if not
[18:21] <larsu> willcooke: get better!
[18:25] <Trevinho> Mh, after fighting with vector reallocation it's time to leave for some futsal...
[19:22] <seb128> Laney, yeah, "format" I meant what is a repository? like is it "Ubuntu" or "main/universe" or ...


[00:01] <wxl> anarkhos: you're talking about kernel recompilation.
[00:01] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:02] <wxl> anarkhos: assuming it's not already configured
[00:02] <wxl> grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`
[00:02] <anarkhos> im reading this https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-debug-suspend-resume-issues-0
[00:02] <anarkhos> b. Suspend/resume by skipping BIOS:
[00:02] <anarkhos> step 1
[00:02] <wxl> i get CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y
[00:02] <wxl> so that's what you want
[00:02] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:03] <anarkhos> grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`                   <--- that will give me information?
[00:03] <wxl> yp
[00:04] <anarkhos> what is the sign enveloping uname -r?
[00:04] <anarkhos> not ". not '
[00:04] <anarkhos> `
[00:04] <wxl> look for ~
[00:04] <anarkhos> there i reckon
[00:04] <anarkhos> no
[00:04] <anarkhos> you said `
[00:05] <wxl> they're on the same key
[00:05] <wxl> shift` = ~
[00:05] <anarkhos> config-`uname -r`
[00:05] <wxl> `command` is the same as $(command)
[00:05] <wxl> it means "insert the result of command here"
[00:06] <wxl> so if i did this:
[00:06] <wxl> echo `echo hello`
[00:06] <wxl> it would respond:
[00:06] <wxl> hello
[00:06] <wxl> that's a stupid example admittedly XD
[00:06] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:06] <anarkhos> why look for ~?
[00:06] <wxl> because shift` = ~
[00:07] <wxl> if you can't find ` you could probably find ~
[00:07] <anarkhos> i find both
[00:07] <wxl> in any case it looks like you found it
[00:07] <anarkhos> ill try: grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`
[00:07] <wxl> yep
[00:07] <anarkhos> ok
[00:07] <wxl> grep is search utility
[00:08] <wxl> uname prints system information, with -r giving you the kernel release
[00:08] <anarkhos> ok, same output here
[00:08] <anarkhos> CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y
[00:08] <anarkhos> so all good then
[00:08] <wxl> in /boot are files that start with config- and end with the kernel release
[00:08] <anarkhos> yeah
[00:09] <wxl> so it's kind of like saying "look for CONFIG_PM_DEBUG in the config file for my current kernel, which lives in /boot"
[00:09] <wxl> you need a command line 101 class :)
[00:09] <anarkhos> yeah well, im (re-)learning, slowly but steadily
[00:09] <anarkhos> but ive never been extremely good
[00:10] <anarkhos> ok on to step two
[00:10] <wxl> http://linuxcommand.org/
[00:10] <wxl> it helps to actually learn it rather than just typing in commands
[00:12] <anarkhos> "echo core/processors/devices > /sys/power/pm_test" gives "write error: invalid argument"
[00:13] <wxl> you need to do that as root
[00:13] <anarkhos> well
[00:13] <anarkhos> i changed the permissions of /sys/power/pm_test
[00:13]  * wxl facepalms
[00:13] <wxl> like i said, you need to learn the command line :)
[00:14] <anarkhos> just preceding the command with "sudo" doesn't suffice
[00:14] <anarkhos> no reason to facepalm. either i change the permissions/enable the root account, or i just don't try this task at all
[00:14] <wxl> you can also do echo core/processors/devices | sudo tee /sys/power/pm_test
[00:15] <wxl> you could sudo su and just become root
[00:15] <anarkhos> ok...
[00:15] <wxl> like i said, you need to learn the command line :D
[00:15] <Unit193> sudo -i
[00:15] <anarkhos> i thought about sudo su actually
[00:15] <anarkhos> yeah i read about that Unit193
[00:16] <anarkhos> ill reverse the permissions change and activate the root account
[00:17] <anarkhos> there'
[00:18] <anarkhos> same error when run as root too. ill try wxl's modified command
[00:19] <anarkhos> ok, one step further
[00:19] <anarkhos> the echo worked, but still:
[00:20] <anarkhos> "tee: /sys/power/pm_test: invalid argument"
[00:21] <wxl> works for me
[00:21]  * wxl shrugs
[00:22] <anarkhos> what's tee?
[00:22] <wxl> !tee
[00:22] <wxl> :)
[00:22] <wxl> !info tee
[00:22] <wxl> aww
[00:22] <wxl> !search tee
[00:22] <wxl> no no no
[00:23] <wxl> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man2/tee.2.html
[00:23] <wxl> ooh we should create a !man factoid Unit193
[00:23] <Unit193> wxl: I have an alias.
[00:23] <wxl> Unit193: make a factoid now.
[00:24] <Unit193> !man
[00:24] <wxl> !man man
[00:24] <wxl> boooooo
[00:25] <anarkhos> "In computing, tee is a command in command-line interpreters (shells) using standard streams which reads standard input and writes it to both standard output and one or more files, effectively duplicating its input"
[00:25] <wxl> read: echo
[00:25] <anarkhos> right
[00:38] <anarkhos> might it be that the guide is referring to a command that is slightly different on lubuntu?
[00:42] <anarkhos> hmm, im in run-level 2
[00:42] <anarkhos> the guide suggests level 3 if there's no difference between suspendbehaviour in the graphics environment or text mode
[00:43] <anarkhos> but still the same invalid argument error
[01:58] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:00] <anarkhos> are there other drivers than "gma500_gfx" i could try for the intel gma500 card?
[02:20] <holstein> anarkhos: i like to test with the vesa driver to isolate the driver
[02:21] <anarkhos> yes
[02:21] <holstein> yes?
[02:21] <anarkhos> well...
[02:21] <holstein> so, you have tried the vesa driver?
[02:21] <anarkhos> no, im not sure how to do it
[02:21] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:22] <anarkhos> ah this one
[02:22] <holstein> i just put the xorg.conf im place and test.. i dont bother with addressing the geometry, unless, this is a machine where using the vesa driver is an option
[02:22] <anarkhos> i read a lot about it, but i dont recall... i dont think i actually tested it
[02:23] <holstein> anarkhos: its the "fail safe" driver.. its nice to, as i say, remove the driver from the equation. otherwise, you can use it to determine what else *is* the issue
[02:24] <anarkhos> yes, if the problem persists with the vesa driver, gma 500 is cleared of responsibility
[02:25] <anarkhos> ill try it right now,  let me turn on the netbook again
[02:26] <holstein> well the gma is anyways, since it never promised, offically, to work with linux
[02:26] <holstein> but, it could be the problematic issue you are encountering
[02:27] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:27] <holstein> for me, on older hardware, doenst bother me to use a vesa driver
[02:28] <holstein> i mean, the only other viable option is windows xp.. and its not an option
[02:33] <anarkhos> of course, there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[02:33] <holstein> anarkhos: correct
[02:33] <anarkhos> ill just copy xorg.conf to that location
[02:33] <holstein> anarkhos: thats why i say, put the one in linked in place
[02:34] <anarkhos> with the content from the page you gave
[02:34] <anarkhos> right
[02:37] <anarkhos> there
[02:37] <anarkhos> reboot then
[02:38] <anarkhos> normally i boot into run-level 2
[02:39] <anarkhos> is that an issue?
[02:40] <anarkhos> looking at lsmod, it seems like gma500 is loaded now too
[02:40] <holstein> anarkhos: i run "lspci -v"
[02:41] <anarkhos> "kernel driver in use: gma500"
[02:41] <holstein> anarkhos: ok.. then, you didnt get it right
[02:41] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:41] <holstein> anarkhos: hmmm indeed
[02:41] <anarkhos> xorg.conf is in /etc/X11
[02:42] <anarkhos> with the content copied from the linked page
[02:42] <holstein> its not a fix. its a troubleshooting step
[02:43] <holstein> !nomodeset
[02:43] <anarkhos> i suppose simply putting xorg.conf in there doesn't stop the gma500 driver from being loaded
[02:43] <holstein> anarkhos: yes.. it specifies the graphics to use the vesa driver
[02:43] <anarkhos> ive tried nomodeset before
[02:43] <anarkhos> no difference
[02:43] <anarkhos> wait
[02:43] <anarkhos> blacklist
[02:44] <anarkhos> i could try to blacklist gma500*
[02:44] <holstein> anarkhos: i would just be sure you know how to undo that from a live CD or the recovery kernel, since its not necessary
[02:45] <anarkhos> not necessary...
[02:45] <anarkhos> but the gma500 driver loaded now too
[02:45] <anarkhos> even with the xorg.conf file
[02:45] <holstein> sure. so, try it. im saying, now how to revert, since im saying thats not the issue, and that could blacklist the only module that is working
[02:46] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:46] <anarkhos> then i will not try this right now
[02:46] <holstein> anarkhos: it didnt load "too".. i think it only did what it always did, due to misconfiguration
[02:46] <anarkhos> i followed the instructions
[02:46] <holstein> i dont think you have properly implemented the vesa driver. but, its not a fix.. so i would just move on
[02:47] <anarkhos> then the instructions maybe aren't valid for my lubuntu environment
[02:47] <holstein> anarkhos: nope. they are. thats what works for me
[02:47] <holstein> anarkhos: regardless, try the blacklist if you like. and just move on
[02:47] <anarkhos> so what have i forgotten? i created a xorg.conf file, copied the content from the linked page, placed it in /etc/X11 and rebooted
[02:47] <holstein> this is not something you need to get hung up on. it will be trying *many* things that gets you where you need to be, if possible
[02:48] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:48] <holstein> anarkhos: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <holstein> should open the file..
[02:48] <anarkhos> it does
[02:48] <holstein> ok
[02:49] <anarkhos> with contents corresponding to the linked page
[02:49] <holstein> not sure what to say, friend, besides, delete it and move on
[02:49] <anarkhos> ok
[03:04] <anarkhos> im trying it
[03:05] <anarkhos> and that was probably a mistake
[03:06] <holstein> trying what? blacklist?
[03:06] <anarkhos> yes
[03:06] <holstein> yeah, i said it was a bad idea.. and to make sure you know how to revert
[03:14] <anarkhos> i think i fixed it
[03:14] <anarkhos> trying to reboot
[03:15] <anarkhos> yes. back to normal
[03:15] <anarkhos> so then i still don't know how to switch between graphics drivers
[03:21] <anarkhos> thanks for the assistance holstein. see you
[05:32] <Ascavasaion> I read somewhere that the admin permissions (group) has been phased out, what is the new group used to give a normal user permissions to allow them to mount devices, open network manager, etc.?
[05:59] <wxl> Ascavasaion: adm
[06:01] <Ascavasaion> wxl: thyank you... I am already a member of adm :(
[06:06] <wxl> Ascavasaion: if it helps i'm a member of adm cdrom sudo audio dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare libvirtd
[06:06] <wxl> the latter two are likely of little value to you
[06:10] <Ascavasaion> wxl: I am already a member of those :(
[06:11] <wxl> Ascavasaion: are you in sudoers?
[06:14] <Ascavasaion> Going to reboot.
[08:38] <switchtehbeat> can anyone help me? I've restored my bios to factory default, it's saying I have "windows boot manager" and it doesn't show grub, just boots to windows. I click my hdd from f11 sata and it boots to lubuntu? what have I done wrong?
[08:40] <testdr> switchtehbeat: check bios-option from what harddisk to boot - maybe you had it in previous version set to second hd and after reset it uses the default first
[08:41] <switchtehbeat> I only have 1 hdd but 2 partitions
[08:43] <switchtehbeat> what does a live cd mean?
[08:43] <testdr> switchtehbeat: then check other bios-options - there is one setting the boot activity from something other what you select in the f11-boot-device-selection
[08:44] <switchtehbeat> testdr, what does a live cd mean?
[08:45] <testdr> switchtehbeat: i dont answer "funny" questions - you did read the download-info about the ubuntu-live-version?
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> ??? no
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> plus it's lubuntu not ubuntu
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> :/
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> heh
[08:45] <testdr> switchtehbeat: from where did you get the iso-image and burnt it?
[08:51] <testdr> and gone - why they do not read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  and the link there to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
[09:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I got this link from the ##hardware channel: they say it will solve my encryption problem, but will these command lines work with the new, 14.04 versions of ubuntu?  http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-play-dvd-under-ubuntu/
[09:49] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: are you using lubuntu
[09:50] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[09:50] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: really, you where using xubuntu an hour ago
[09:50] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, I posted sth about an hour ago
[09:51] <ikonia> right so are you using xubuntu or lubuntu
[09:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I am not using xubuntu
[09:51] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: can you please show me the output of the command "sudo dpkg -l lubuntu-desktop"
[09:52] <ikonia> sorry "sudo dpkg -l | grep lubuntu-desktop"
[09:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I am not using lubuntu
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: ok so stop telling lies
[09:53] <ikonia> @mark #lubuntu SamwiseGamgee once again telling lies that he is using lubuntu to get support in the wrong channel
[09:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu 14.04
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you've been warned 3 times about telling lies
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: this is not the channel to get support
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: why do you persist in telling lies
[09:54] <ikonia> you'll end up getting banned in this channel too
[09:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I never told anyone I use lubuntu,  I have been using xubuntu 14.04 for months now
[09:55] <ikonia> 10:49 < ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: are you using lubuntu
[09:55] <ikonia> 10:50 < SamwiseGamgee> yes
[09:56] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you just told me less than 4 minutes ago in a channel you where using lubuntu
[09:56] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: so again - stop telling lies
[09:56] <SamwiseGamgee> which channel?
[09:57] <ikonia> @mark #lubuntu SamwiseGamgee continuing to tell lies
[09:57] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: this one,
[09:57] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you just said it in this channel less than 4 minutes ago
[09:57] <ikonia> 10:51 < SamwiseGamgee> I am not using xubuntu
[09:57] <ikonia> I can now only assume you are trolling this channel
[09:57] <ikonia> as you are clearly unable to be truthful or you are trying to misslead people on purpose
[09:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu 14.04, and I never ever installed lubuntu, I am certain of this
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: I know
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: I asked you if you where using lubuntu and you said "yes"
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you then said "I am not using xubuntu"
[09:58] <ikonia> now you are saying the total opposite after I caught you telling lies again
[10:17] <switchtehbeat> I sorted it, my bios was booting from "legacy" instead of ufi/uefi, no idea what that means but grub is there now for windows and lubuntu :)
[10:18] <ikonia> does the lubuntu install detect/configure a efi boot setup ?
[10:20] <ikonia> sorry the lubuntu installer
[10:20] <switchtehbeat> no idea
[10:23] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry
[10:37] <testdr> switchtehbeat: cause you logged out, this posting again: why they do not read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  and the link there to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
[15:20] <STHGOM> i want to have google chrome running in wine
[15:21] <holstein> STHGOM: sure.. get the windows .exe version and run it in wine.. though, i suggest the native linux version that google provides
[15:21] <holstein> there is literally no reason to use the windows version..
[15:22] <STHGOM> im trying to run roblox on lubuntu
[15:23] <holstein> STHGOM: ask them for a native linux version
[15:23] <STHGOM> ohh
[15:23] <STHGOM> ok
[15:23] <STHGOM> ty
[15:23] <STHGOM> hahaha
[15:23] <holstein> otherwise, you install "wine", and what i do is just run "wine /path/to/*.exe" and try the windows software
[15:24] <holstein> !wine
[15:24] <holstein> STHGOM: there will be no avenue of support for it, since, they release for an operating system you are not using, and wine cant support the code they make
[15:25] <holstein> not sure why you are laughing.. i really feel the "best" way for you to get support and performance is for them to support the operating system you are using.. if you have not asked, i wouldnt assume it to me completely futile..
[15:26] <STHGOM> i felt stupid so i laughed
[15:26] <holstein> STHGOM: oh.. nah, you shouldnt feel stupid..
[15:27] <holstein> i thought you were laughing about the idea of them releasing a linux version.. which can actually be laughable. but, more and more companies and developers are coming around to supporting linux
[15:27] <STHGOM> so who do i ask?
[15:27] <STHGOM> just on #roblox?
[15:27] <anarkhos> holstein: ive found some other ways (xforcevesa boot code) of using the vesa driver, and also "fbdev". then there's the possibility of using recovery mode to explore the xorg.conf file that is created. what do you think about this?
[15:28] <holstein> STHGOM: well, i wouldnt expect to casually email "support@roblox" and get a *tar.bin right back.. but, i would look for a contact, and just let them know your intentions, and that you would like linux support
[15:28] <holstein> STHGOM: otherwise, im not sure what the deal is with it
[15:28] <holstein> i go to http://www.roblox.com/ and it loads
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: why are you not using it in the native chrome on linux?
[15:29] <STHGOM> i am
[15:29] <STHGOM> i tried to install the windows roblox with wine
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: it looks like a website, and not an application that requires windows in anyway
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: what windows roblox? is it not a website?
[15:29] <STHGOM> the program
[15:30] <holstein> STHGOM: ok.. you can try it in wine..
[15:30] <holstein> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9392 for example
[15:31] <holstein> anarkhos: you shouldnt need the xorg.conf
[15:31] <holstein> anarkhos: i would literally boot using the vesa driver, and test whatever you are trying to test.. if the driver has no effect on whatever that is, then, you can assume rather safely the driver is not the issue
[15:33] <anarkhos> holstein: yeah i booted into recovery mode, root shell now and there is no xorg.conf
[15:34] <holstein> anarkhos: sure.. there shouldnt be one
[15:34] <holstein> !xorgconf
[15:34] <holstein> anarkhos: there is never one anymore.. its deprecated.. you put one in place it you want one.. but, the other kernel modes you are finding are allowing you to test with the vesa driver
[15:35] <anarkhos> yes. the current problem is to make the gma500 not load and simultaneously make vesa or fbdev successfully load. maybe the problem yesterday was that i created a xorg.conf
[15:35] <holstein> i would literally spend about 20 minutes testing the vesa driver, then move on.. this is *not* a fix. its not something to add extra issues onto your plate about
[15:36] <anarkhos> holstein: if you want you could in the meantime have a look at tzsch.webs.com/dmesg.txt for a closer look at the errors related to the power button and ACPI
[15:36] <anarkhos> however, ive tried many possible solutions relating to that - all without any success
[15:37] <holstein> anarkhos: how did the power button respond in xubuntu live?
[15:37] <anarkhos> same... no reaction whatsoever. and it's lubuntu, not xubuntu
[15:37] <holstein> anarkhos: i tell you, you literally could be the *only* person with that particular hardware profile using lubuntu
[15:38] <anarkhos> hmm
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: *xubuntu*. how did xubuntu react live? did you try it?
[15:38] <anarkhos> no
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: im asking becuase different services are loaded by default.. did you actualy try xubuntu? or main ubuntu?
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: i like to do that as also as an easy troubleshooting step
[15:39] <anarkhos> no, i wanted to try lubuntu because i read a review of small distros that could fit acer netbooks and lubuntu did very well there
[15:39] <holstein> anarkhos: as im saying, you wont likely read much helpful, since you can literally be the *only* person with that particular hardare running lubuntu.. you could have hardware rev's different from anyone else runnig it
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: sure.. and you *should* try lubuntu.. and use it.. but, you can learn from trying the other live CD's helpful informationg.. like, "is the power button going to do what im tryhing to do in linux"
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: if it works in xubuntu, then you can look and see what is supporting that funcitonality and add it to lubuntu
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: could be a simple change in something that is designed to be "light" in lxde-lubuntu that you need
[15:42] <anarkhos> ok, ill have a look at xubuntu, i hope there's enough space on the usb
[15:43] <holstein> anarkhos: xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu.. so, anything that is happening in xubuntu or main ubuntu is possible in lubuntu
[15:43] <anarkhos> ok
[15:43] <holstein> *if* the hardware switches work there, you can learn how to support them..
[15:43] <anarkhos> right
[15:44] <holstein> anarkhos: with *any* hardware like that, you can have a specific model#.. but, the company promised windows support.. so, if (and this is quite likely) they change the chips, they dont have to say they changed the chips.. they just have to do what they promised, which is, release a windows driver for the hardware
[15:44] <holstein> so, you can be the *only* person with that *exact* hardware running lubuntu
[15:44] <anarkhos> yes
[15:45] <holstein> i think it will be a very proactive approach that helps you find a "fix".. especially since nothing is broken
[15:45] <anarkhos> you don't incidentally... no, nevermind that'd drain bandwidth
[15:46] <holstein> getting in the larger ubuntu community for a bit doesnt hurt either, becuase its larger.. and since its all ubuntu, anything from there is relevant in lubuntu
[15:47] <anarkhos> how big is the xubuntu iso?
[15:47] <holstein> anarkhos: AFAIK, its larger than a CD
[15:47] <anarkhos> o
[15:47] <holstein> anarkhos: again, friend.. this is not a fix.. so, dont get too caught up in it
[15:48] <holstein> anarkhos: i would again, literally take a 20 minute period of my life, and try xubuntu live on the hardware.. if i hit too many barriers, i move on.. its not a fix
[15:48] <anarkhos> well it's not too much hassle. i do these experiments often
[15:49] <anarkhos> 953mb is the capacity of the USB stick on which lubuntu is at the moment
[15:49] <anarkhos> the other USB i think has lower capacity
[15:50] <anarkhos> 503 mb the other usb
[15:50] <anarkhos> how about... xubuntu in virtualbox on the netbook with the hardware in question?
[15:51] <anarkhos> also, what is the correct way of using xforcevesa? just "xforcevesa" or "xforcevesa=xforcevesa"?
[15:52] <anarkhos> ive seen both suggested
[15:52] <anarkhos> i imagine something like just "xforcevesa" or maybe "xforcevesa nomodeset"
[15:55] <anarkhos> " The Xubuntu 13.04 image size is approximately 800 MB." - that will just about work on one of the USBs
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: VM wont pass what you are testing through
[15:57] <anarkhos> hmm, regardless of vbox settings?
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: im not sure the "correct" way, friend.. i just use the link i gave, and make my own xorg.conf
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: correct.. VM will *not* work for your tests..
[15:57] <anarkhos> ok
[15:58] <anarkhos> making my own xorg.conf did not work. if i blacklist gma500, the boot process stops. if i don't blacklist gma500, the latter is loaded and xorg.conf ostensibly ignored
[15:59] <holstein> anarkhos: ok
[15:59] <holstein> anarkhos: what exactly is the issue? the power button isnt doing what?
[15:59] <holstein> i have never used the power button in lubuntu.. it just doenst work, and i dont bother using it
[16:00] <anarkhos> not causing a resume after suspend
[16:00] <anarkhos> have a look at the dmesg errors: http://tzsch.webs.com/dmesg.txt
[16:00] <anarkhos> the power button itself works
[16:00] <anarkhos> if i press it, i get some alternatives: reboot, shutdown, suspend etc.
[16:00] <holstein> ok
[16:00] <anarkhos> it's only resume that fails
[16:01] <anarkhos> everything else related to power seems fine
[16:01] <holstein> i dont read the dmesg and learn anything
[16:01] <holstein> i test with live CD's and other kernels.. and remove variables.. what works, and why? and how.. what doenst, and how do i add what worked to it.. etc
[16:01] <holstein> im not a "read the code and interpret" kind of guy
[16:02] <holstein> you can try the main #ubuntu channel with that dmesg
[16:02] <holstein> or, any mailing list for support.. though, i would still check a xubuntu live CD and see if it works "out of the box"..
[16:03] <anarkhos> yeah
[16:15] <anarkhos> holstein: are you able to find pm-quirks in the repositores?
[16:20] <anarkhos> from the debian wiki: "A very notable change is that HAL is phased out. If you still have the hal package installed, you should remove it or it will interference with pm-utils during suspend"
[16:20] <anarkhos> there is a folder called /usr/shared/hal in lubuntu
[16:23] <STHGOM> http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=93716485#144230022
[16:23] <STHGOM> wonder if that'll do it
[16:24] <holstein> !info pm-quirks
[16:24] <holstein> anarkhos: i would just test for all of that with live CD's..
[16:28] <anarkhos> yeah
[16:28] <anarkhos> goddamn... even with "xforcevesa" and "nomodeset" as kernel boot options, lspci -v returns "kernel driver in use: gma500"
[16:29] <holstein> !langague
[16:29] <holstein> !language
[16:29] <anarkhos> ok
[16:29] <holstein> anarkhos: please, stop worrying about the vesa driver.. i really dont think its related
[16:30] <anarkhos> allright, ill focus more on xubuntu, but first ill take a break i think
[16:30] <anarkhos> thanks for the assistance
[16:52] <STHGOM> anarkhos: I was thinking that by running a windows version of chrome through wine i would get past this: http://www.roblox.com/install/unsupported.aspx
[19:21] <junka> is apparmor enabled by default?
[19:25] <HairyFotr> junka: it is for some apps... run sudo aa-status and see which are in enforce mode
[19:28] <junka> what does it mean that an app is in enforce mode
[19:28] <junka> or confine
[19:28] <junka> defined rather
[19:29] <holstein> junka: what is the overall goal?
[19:35] <junka> holstein, restrict every program
[19:39] <holstein> junka: you might consider just reading up on security.. hardening, etc.. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening for example
[19:41] <junka> holstein, is there a reason apparmor-profiles is not installed?
[19:49] <Gatis> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19:51] <talsamon> hello , is there any way to start synergy before login (synergy-channel says they had no answer) - works normal on commandline, but if I try to start before login with a init.d-script it is segfaulting
[19:52] <holstein> Gatis: please observe the /topic, and use the offtopic channels for chat. thanks
[19:52] <junka> holstein, i did not understand anything from that link :3
[19:52] <holstein> talsamon: sure.. though, i havent tried it firsthand since before 12.04
[19:52] <holstein> junka: sure.. its not trivial what you are asking to do..
[19:53] <talsamon> holstein, do you remember which runlevel i should start it
[19:53] <talsamon> holstein, defaults ?
[19:53] <holstein> talsamon: i just added a start command
[19:54] <junka> holstein, i read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/AppArmorProfiles and it says that its installed by default, but its not installed on my system
[19:55] <holstein> junka: lubuntu is using lxde.. the "l" is for light.. they may choose not to ship things that main ubuntu ships with
[19:55] <holstein> junka: if you want to use it, feel free and install it, and confirm that it is runniing
[19:55] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[19:56] <junka> ok holstein thanks
[19:56] <holstein> !Info apparmor-profiles
[19:57] <holstein> !info apparmor-profiles
[22:46] <anarkhos> holstein: im about to try ubuntu 12 now. gonna format the usb and add ubuntu to it
[23:12] <anarkhos> ubuntu seems more problematic than lubuntu. when i move the cursor, it is as if im drawing. also, the screen is messed up
[23:13] <anarkhos> maybe i can access the command-line and explore it from there
[23:17] <anarkhos> holstein: there's news: on the live usb with normal ubuntu, the computer wakes up after suspend, but the screen is black. also, as mentioned already, the screen is a total mess in general. X is unmanagable, but the command-line is fine


[02:19] <Unit193> !chanserv.py is <reply>chanserv.py is a ChanServ helper script for XChat | https://github.com/seveas/chanserv.py
[02:20] <Unit193> It's pointing at !xchat and that didn't exist
[02:24] <Madpilot> odd, there used to be an xchat tell, I'm pretty sure
[02:25] <Madpilot> !xchat is <alias>irc
[02:25] <Madpilot> there
[02:25] <Madpilot> !xchat
[02:25] <Madpilot> that'll do
[02:25] <Unit193> Well, that works for me
[02:26] <Unit193> Though toxin has some great info too
[02:27] <Madpilot> toxin?
[02:28] <Unit193> http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat but it's not needed
[15:28] <ubot2> CasperN called the ops in #ubuntu-se ()
[23:09] <EuzkoArima> Hi, I was approved as Ubuntu Member last October 21th and I like to use an irc cloack like ubuntu/member/EuzkoArima
[23:09] <EuzkoArima> This is the right place where to ask for it, doesn't it
[23:09] <Unit193> Link to your launchpad account please?
[23:09] <EuzkoArima> My Launchpad URL : https://launchpad.net/~euzkoarima
[23:11] <Unit193> IRCC: EuzkoArima would like a member cloak - https://launchpad.net/~euzkoarima (he's joined)
[23:26] <elky> niko, hi
[23:28] <niko> congrats Unit193
[23:28] <pangolin> errr what?
[23:28] <Unit193> niko: Uhh... Not me.
[23:28] <elky> wait what what what
[23:28] <pangolin> lol
[23:28] <Unit193> I'm not a member yet
[23:29] <niko> this is why i should sleap
[23:29] <elky> hehe, niko euzkoarima would like a member cloak
[23:29] <EuzkoArima> yep
[23:30] <niko> now, mv $bed
[23:30] <elky> thanks niko, sleep well
[23:30] <LjL> niko: goodnight


[00:36] <webchat76> Hi, I am new to reporting bugs and trying my best to figure it out
[00:38] <webchat76> I just installed the new Ubuntu 24.04 and it is using over 10 GB of memory after just leaving the pc on and using basic chrome web browser, it is hogging up so much ram its crazy. It still it eating up over 10GB of ram after closing allapplications
[00:39] <webchat76> I dont know how to make a bug ticket for this and hoping you guys can report this for me
[00:39] <webchat76> I have done 2 fresh installs after running into this and still having the same issue
[00:40] <ravage> Maybe start at https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[00:40] <webchat76> Is anyone else running into this issue?
[00:40] <ravage> And if the ram is really gone give some details
[00:41] <Tingo> webchat76: first need to find out where RAM/CPU is going $ sudo apt install htop ; htop
[00:41] <webchat76> Currently no swap is being used
[00:41] <webchat76> kk one sec
[00:41] <webchat76> i have 16 GB of ram
[00:41] <sarnold> unused memory is wasted memory
[00:42] <webchat76> too much memory used slows down system
[00:42] <webchat76> way down
[00:42] <webchat76> I have HTOP up and running
[00:43] <webchat76> Tingo
[00:43] <sarnold> it's the other way around; all the data that's cached means opening up programs again will go *faster*
[00:43] <webchat76> but everything else thats not cached suffers
[00:46] <webchat76> I have 10.4 GB of ram being eaten about 20 min after starting up 24.04 and using chrome for a few min then closing it
[00:46] <Tingo> webchat76: which process is ccurrenly eating more CPU or RAM on htop .. is the CPU/MEM is currently busy how much % showing ?
[00:46] <webchat76> one sec
[00:47] <webchat76> RAM
[00:48] <Tingo> mouse click on MEM% on htop.. it will show which Process is eating the top most memory..
[00:49] <webchat76> kk one sec
[00:50] <Tingo> probably .. /usr/bin/gnome-shell eat more RAM if you have Gnome GUI..
[00:50] <webchat76> Teams for linux
[00:50] <webchat76> but its only using 2.7%
[00:50] <webchat76> its a clean install just now
[00:50] <webchat76> highest mem usage is 2.7% in HTOP
[00:51] <webchat76> but the main System monitor is showing 10.4GB of ram being eatin
[00:51] <sarnold> the downside to htop's memory use indicators is that it doesn't really take into account sharing
[00:51] <sarnold> smem is better at indicating how much each application is contributing to memory use
[00:52] <webchat76> but i cant find any process that is eating up that much memory
[00:52] <sarnold> most of it will be used to cache data from your filesystem
[00:53] <webchat76> literally i can just turn on my pc from a fresh install and the memory will just keep going up
[00:53] <webchat76> never had this issue with 22.04
[00:53] <Tingo> hmm.. yea its a fresh install so doing cache..
[00:53] <webchat76> Im using a MSI laptop that is about 1 year old
[00:53] <oerheks> teams .. if you want to stop eating mem, see https://askubuntu.com/a/1376372
[00:54] <oerheks> it is just video that is stored
[00:56] <Tingo> hmmm.. snap is updating itself ? $ sudo df -Th
[00:56] <webchat76> one sec
[00:58] <webchat76> nope
[00:59] <webchat76> ive never seen this before
[00:59] <webchat76> been using linux since bionic beaver
[01:00] <oerheks> that 10.4gb means you can playback, no?
[01:00] <webchat76> ???
[01:01] <webchat76> Hey im going to reset real quick and not run teams, I will log back in as leoaimeiii
[01:01] <sarnold> there's nothing really wrong here, this is just the way it works
[01:02] <webchat76> so Ubuntu 24.04 is now using more memory than the past?
[01:02] <webchat76> this doesnt happen on 22.04
[01:02] <Tingo> so, out of 16GB .. 10GB is currently in use.. now question arise that for how long..? it should come down... it should not eat 10GB with out any further load..
[01:02] <webchat76> i have 65% of ram in use
[01:02] <webchat76> it never comes down
[01:03] <oerheks> oh dear
[01:03] <webchat76> even after killing all applications
[01:03] <webchat76> 24.04 is bugged bad
[01:03] <Tingo> Ubuntu 24.04 Requiremnt is min 4GB RAM..
[01:03] <webchat76> I have 16
[01:04] <webchat76> Even after killing all applications and not running anything I will still have 65% of ram being used , 10.4GB out of 16GB of ram
[01:04] <webchat76> Thats why im wanting to report this as a bug
[01:05] <Tingo> yea.. htop is showing any kind of busy under CPU% ?
[01:05] <webchat76> on a clean install
[01:05] <webchat76> 0
[01:05] <webchat76> absolutely zero
[01:06] <webchat76> i only have about 2% of CPU being used
[01:06] <webchat76> just basic chrome and webchat here
[01:06] <Tingo> $ free -mh
[01:07] <webchat76> kk one sec
[01:07] <webchat76>  total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[01:07] <webchat76> Mem:            15Gi       9.3Gi       2.8Gi        68Mi       3.3Gi       5.7Gi
[01:07] <webchat76> Swap:          4.0Gi          0B       4.0Gi
[01:09] <Tingo> buff/cache is only .. 68MB
[01:10] <webchat76> yup
[01:10] <webchat76> correct
[01:10] <leftyfb> incorrect
[01:10] <leftyfb> 3.3G
[01:10] <webchat76> oh
[01:10] <webchat76> yes
[01:10] <webchat76> sorry
[01:10] <oerheks> updates pending?
[01:11] <webchat76> all updatescomplete
[01:11] <Tingo> $ sudo apt update
[01:11] <webchat76> kk
[01:11] <webchat76> one sec
[01:11] <leftyfb> what does htop show as taking up memory when you sort by memory(F6 - PERCENT_MEM)?
[01:12] <webchat76> all packages up to date
[01:12] <Tingo> yea ..shared is 68MB and buff/cache 3.3GB..
[01:13] <leftyfb> which is fine
[01:13] <webchat76> highest app taking up memory is teams for linux
[01:13] <webchat76> 2.1%
[01:13] <leftyfb> kill it
[01:15] <Tingo> what the Full path of of teams under Commands Tab ?
[01:15] <leftyfb> they left
[01:16] <Tingo> ohh yes.. btw strange issue..
[01:16] <Tingo> Ubuntu 22.04 with Gnome GUI runs perfect even on 2GB RAM..
[01:17] <leftyfb> I wouldn't say perfect. But 16G should be enough. My last laptop was running 16GB
[01:17] <webchat76> I just reset my pc
[01:17] <leftyfb> kill teams
[01:18] <leftyfb> webchat76: do you have team running on startup?
[01:18] <webchat76> I have not opened up any program other than Chrome
[01:18] <webchat76> no
[01:18] <webchat76> I will just let my pc rest for a bit and watch it
[01:18] <leftyfb> ok, run htop and sort by memmory. How much memory is being used and is teams running after your reboot?
[01:18] <webchat76> My ram usage is back to 1.5GB
[01:19] <webchat76> kk
[01:19] <leftyfb> ok, then all is well
[01:19] <leftyfb> it sounds like team was a hog
[01:19] <leftyfb> which sounds about right for what it is
[01:19] <webchat76> teams is not running
[01:19] <Tingo> hmm.. yea.. btw what is teams ?
[01:19] <webchat76> and highest ram usage is GNOME
[01:19] <leftyfb> it was before your reboot when 9.3G was being used
[01:19] <webchat76> yes
[01:20] <webchat76> currently 1.47GB
[01:20] <Tingo> under commands find out itss full Path of teams.. which Application is it..
[01:20] <webchat76> kk
[01:20] <Tingo> yea, now its normal..
[01:20] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure he knows what teams is
[01:21] <webchat76> everything is fine right now
[01:21] <webchat76> just going to keep eye on it without ever opening teams
[01:22] <webchat76> to see if that is the culprit
[01:22] <Tingo> btw.. microsoft Teams also use lot of RAM/CPU but on Windows .. :)
[01:25] <webchat76> :)
[01:27] <xFCFFDFFFFEFFFAF> use 1 file align and all be ok
[01:27] <Tingo> btw.. if you installed any thing from snap then first also do $ sudo snap refresh
[01:29] <webchat76> i just did
[01:29] <Tingo> ok
[01:30] <webchat76> teams may be the culprit
[01:30] <webchat76> i will be back in a bit
[01:30] <webchat76> going to keep an eye on things
[01:30] <webchat76> and use the web version of teams
[01:30] <Tingo> yea.. MS Teams for Linux is discontinued..
[01:31] <webchat76> there is an available version by an individual contributer
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> Tingo: theres a team for linux snap on ubuntu
[01:32] <Tingo> yea.. $ sudo snap install teams
[01:32] <leftyfb> it's probably just an electron app (web page in a separate window)
[01:33] <Tingo> hmm.. btw.. $ sudo snap install teams is currently showing NOT FOUND on Ubuntu 22.04
[01:33] <lotuspsychje> Tingo: snap find teams
[01:34] <leftyfb> I wouldn't recommend it regardless
[01:34] <lotuspsychje> some snaps can be flaky indeed
[01:34] <leftyfb> it has nothing to do with it being a snap
[01:35] <leftyfb> it's more than likely just a front-end to the website. There's no point in running it
[01:35] <lotuspsychje> right
[01:37] <Tingo> nop.. find teams is not showing any MS Teams..else other Apps
[01:38] <leftyfb> the snap is called teams-for-linux
[01:39] <Tingo> yea.. snap find teams-for-linux .. is showing
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> yep
[01:40] <Tingo> last time i remembered kind a long time ago.. it was snap install teams
[01:40] <Tingo> any how.. leaving.. See Yaa !!
[03:33] <alazy> I need to install an i386 package on a x64 system using apt. I'm able to do so by adding the i386 architecture, but apt updates then tries to find i386 versions of package lists for _all_ repos, even when those don't exist, which generates messy warning messages. What's the best way to tell apt to allow installing _specific_ packages without checking for i386 packages all the time?
[03:35] <rbox> i think you can set arch=amd64 in your repo config
[03:35] <rbox> foir the ones missing i386
[04:32] <mozambique> ct
[05:23] <vai> hello
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> welcome vai
[07:33] <Zaite450> Hello,  I upgraded my home NAS from 23.10 -> 24.04. It now fails to boot on a restart (it will successfully boot from a hard/cold shutdown state). It freezes during the boot process with red error "Timed out for waiting the udev queue being empty." followed by "Scanning for Btrfs filesystems", followed by a kernel panic after about 2 minutes of
[07:33] <Zaite450> waiting. The only way to get the system to boot now is to pull the power for 30 seconds ish, and do a cold boot. Running the latest AMI BIOS from about 1 month ago. Kind of stuck! Any ideas appreciated
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: wich kernel version is failing there?
[07:36] <Zaite450> I have tried config-6.8.0-22-generic and now running config-6.8.0-31-generic
[07:36] <Zaite450> Sorry, not config- just copied those from /boot :-) but you get the idea :)
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: you still got older kernel versions to try in your list?
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> like a 6.5
[07:37] <Zaite450> Those are the only two
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> ouch ok
[07:38] <Zaite450> I can install 6.5 from the kernel-ppa archive perhaps?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: lets try something else first, goto grub recoverymode + networking and drop to a rootshell
[07:39] <Zaite450> Sure, one moment
[07:41] <Zaite450> Tried booting recovery but I can't get there because it freezes during the rebooted process
[07:41] <Zaite450> I can try from the cold/hard state?
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> recoverymode is a preboot proces
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> maybe its hardware related?
[07:42] <Zaite450> I suspect it is hardware of some sort yes, although it has been fine up until 24.04
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> thats pretty weird
[07:42] <Zaite450> Yeah :)
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> if we cant get into recoverymode, we cant install another kernel neither
[07:43] <Zaite450> I can always revert to 22.04 LTS if I can't find a solution in the coming months, as I don't reboot very often I can live with the whole power off/on routine for now
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> did you have issues before with kernel 6.8 Zaite450 ?
[07:44] <Zaite450> Issues started straight after upgrading to 24.04 on the first reboot the system never came back up, so I plugged in a monitor to discover this problem
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> ok
[07:44] <Zaite450> I should be able to install 6.5 from the ppa
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> lets assume its kernel 6.8 not liking something and get stuck early
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> if you cant get in your system, you can install right
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> cant
[07:45] <Zaite450> I can boot the system if I pull the power and do a cold/hard boot
[07:45] <Zaite450> i.e not a reboot
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> oh
[07:45] <Zaite450> Which is why it's even weirder :)
[07:46] <Zaite450> This only affects reboots
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> i heared things like that before
[07:46] <Zaite450> Fast Boot / Secure Boot / etc, all disabled in the BIOS
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: ok, try to get in your system so we can access a terminal
[07:47] <Zaite450> Will do, just pulled the power for a bit, hopefully it will boot in a sec
[07:47] <Zaite450> Yep booted fine now
[07:48] <basmati> hello
[07:50] <ice9> when gnome 46.1 will be released?
[07:52] <ravage> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gnome-46-1-released/20658
[07:53] <ice9> ravage, I mean in Ubuntu repo
[07:57] <ravage> Probably 24.10. depends on what the current release is at that time
[08:28] <Zaite450> lotuspsychje:I compiled 6.8.8 manually using localmodconfig and it reboots successfully. Something to do with the inbuilt kernel it seems
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: what you could try is installing one of the 6.8 oem kernels
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: apt-cache search linux-image oem
[08:29] <lotuspsychje> and do a few tests booting those
[08:29] <Zaite450> Sure, can try linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem ?
[08:30] <Zaite450> I'll try linux-image-oem-24.04
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> its just for testing anyway
[08:31] <Zaite450> Yea
[08:31] <Zaite450> No joy with that one
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> maybe linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem
[08:32] <Zaite450> Trying that one now
[08:33] <Zaite450> Oh okay that was linux-image-6.8.0-1005-oem
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> last shot linux-image-oem-24.04a
[08:37] <Zaite450> Hmm, that doesn't appear to install a kernel
[08:38] <Zaite450> linux-image-oem-24.04a amd64 6.8.0-1005.5 [2,286 B]
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ok maybe its too early
[08:38] <Zaite450> It was pretty small, not quite sure what that was :)
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: file a bug against your 6.8 stock kernel
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> and describe it works fine on 6.8.8
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-bug linux
[08:39] <Zaite450> Will do, Launchpad?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> from terminal please
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> so apport can collect your logs & sysinfo
[08:39] <Zaite450> Ah okay, will do, thanks very much for all your help
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[08:50] <Zaite450> Potential fly in the ointment is that I can only generate the report if I do a successful cold boot, in the reboot/failed state I can't access the system terminal ?
[08:51] <Zaite450> i.e. it's generating a report of a successfully booted system with no apparent issues
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> did you get a bug ID Zaite450 ?
[09:03] <Zaite450> Ah, okay, so go ahead and file the report, grab the ID and then update the case with more info?
[09:04] <Zaite450> I didn't actually file yet because of that
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> Zaite450: yeah just fill in a title+description then your bug will be filed
[09:05] <Zaite450> Gotcha, thanks
[09:21] <GSMarquis> So Intel IOAPIC is incompatible with suspend/sleep modes.
[09:23] <GSMarquis> Disabling that controller has made suspend work on 24.04 on a new z790 box for me. I spent days trying to solve this.
[10:16] <ice9> when gnome 46.1 will be available in the Ubuntu repo?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:58] <|N3on21|> hello - im having some issuses when trying to steam audio and video from my pc. No matter if its audio on Spotify or video on youtube the same thing happens. Video and audio plays for 1 - 2 sec and then it cut out the audio for 4 sec and then returning again.
[16:15] <Yogaum> hello
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome Yogaum
[16:51] <floogy> Hi, I receive on `cp -av image.vhd image_copy.vhd` this error message: Numerical result out of range
[16:53] <cbreak_> floogy: does it work without -a?
[16:56] <tomreyn> floogy: what's thhe *full* error message?
[16:56] <floogy> No. It's a corrupt vhd file from a virtual box Windows ME install that disdn't shut down correctly. virtua box shows a red circle with an exlamation mark and doesn't start up the vm at al due to that faulty vhd. My guess is, that maybe the wd 8TiB external storage got an fs issue and therefore the file isnt completely accessible. But tha's only a guess.
[16:56] <floogy> It is.
[16:58] <leftyfb> floogy: look for IO/ATA errors by running "dmesg". More than likely there's a filesystem issue on the drive
[17:05] <cbreak_> sounds plausible. What filesystem do you use?
[17:05] <cbreak_> maybe it has some form of fsck program
[17:06] <floogy> leftyfb, yes, I think I'll try to check that. NTFS
[17:07] <cbreak_> ntfs from linux :(
[17:07] <leftyfb> floogy: wait, you're storing the vhd files for Virtualbox installed on Ubuntu on NTFS?
[17:08] <floogy> yes. No issue until yet.
[17:08] <ravage> that should count as a medical condition
[17:09] <ioria> floogy, how did you mount the fs ?
[17:09] <floogy> It's not a NAS, therefore it seemed to be a decent decision on a dual boot system.
[17:22] <floogy> SMART Status is okay, no reallocation sector count, no errors logged. I think it's mounted by nautilus because it's fuse based. /dev/sde1 on /media/gerhard/My Book1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[17:24] <floogy> ~$ lsmod | grep ntfs
[17:24] <floogy> ntfs3                 274432  0
[17:24] <ioria> floogy, i suggest you umount it and remount manually e.g. mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev /mountpoint
[17:25] <ioria> floogy, with your uid/gid maybe
[17:25] <floogy> ~$ mount | grep Book gives the same line as blkid
[17:41] <tomreyn> floogy_: run chkdsk.exe on it
[17:48] <floogy_> I'll reboot into Windows 10 to issue a chkdsk on it. and also to try the copy from that OS. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/nf58HqG42s/
[17:49] <floogy_> There are also tools to may salvage the vhd file.
[17:50] <floogy_> I wanted to try that on the copy.
[17:52] <floogy_> afk
[18:35] <ed_> hello - just done the 24.04 and my laptop seemed dead in the water after a boot. i reboot and it i just get a blank screen. i've narrowed it down to the 'splash', if i set the boot to just quiet i get a login screen. i'm not sure how to debug this as it's hardware related, any ideas?
[18:36] <ed_> i mean, hw in the sense that i don't know how to attach a debug... oh wait, if i had a serial port i could still get to it#
[18:37] <bprompt> hmmm
[18:38] <ed_> its dead weird, ctrl-alt-fN can't get me a vesa getty
[18:39] <bprompt> ed_: I'm thinking video driver issues, or possibly ACPM drivers
[18:39] <ed_> well, could be, but if i don't have splash it's ok, which must be the same drive?
[18:39] <ed_> *driver
[18:40] <bprompt> ed_: I was thinking -> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132   <--- and you can try those switches/options are Grub menu, simply edit the boot line for the menu entry manually to see if it works
[18:40] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[18:41] <ed_> well the "black screen" is definitely what i get... with just a tiny bit of backlight
[18:42] <bprompt> ed_: if it works, at least for now, you can make it permanent by editing /boot/grub/grub.conf file
[18:42] <ed_> well- i took splash out permanently so it works, but lets see
[18:42] <bprompt> ed_: right, try as oerheks said, or the switches at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 , is either video or acpm/acpi driver
[18:44] <ed_> bprompt: no, it's not nomodeset
[18:44] <ed_> i took 'splash' out and boots normally again
[18:45] <ed_> with or without nomodeset... good thing it boots quickly :)
[18:45] <bprompt> ed_: well, give it a shot, you can just edit the Grub entry manually and do a Ctrl-E to boot with the edited line
[18:45] <ed_> no ... i just did
[18:45] <oerheks> tell us what videocard?
[18:46] <ed_> radeon
[18:46] <ed_> ... i thought lspci gave me more info than that
[18:46] <bprompt> ed_: or see if  you can get "dmesg" pasted at a pastebin
[18:46] <ed_> AMD Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics
[18:46] <bprompt> ed_: you can try "lsusb" or "lshw -C video"
[18:47] <ed_> AMD Ryzen 7 7730U with Radeon Graphics (family: 0x19, model: 0x50, stepping: 0x0)
[18:48] <ed_> lshw tells me EFI VGA, i didn't expect to see crossover from EFI
[18:49] <ed_> i wonder if setting the vesa mode (like in the old days) changes anything
[18:52] <ed_> no... that did nothing
[18:52] <bprompt> ed_: hmmm AMD usually has a video driver for their models for *nix, hmmm I have an AMD myself, and tried it once, made not much difference in my case, so I toss it, but it installed
[18:53] <bprompt> ed_: tried doing the acpi=off yet?
[18:53] <ed_> ah no didn't try that - sorry, fixated on video
[18:54] <younder> Just installed the 24.04 desktop. The Ubuntu cuda works well, but the install from the nvidia bombs with a missing .so. Apparently it wants 5 and the new has version 6.
[18:55] <oerheks> ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers gives mesa 24.2~git2405010600.841394~oibaf~n
[18:55] <younder> Also snap version of docker doesn't play well with the nvidia graphics pass through code. Had to remove it and install docker the old way.
[18:56] <ed_> bprompt: same result with acpi=off
[18:56] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers?field.series_filter=noble
[18:57] <younder> Also nvidia-composer needs a bunch of libraries. Luckily the error message is helpful. If you follow the link and install the listed packages it all starts to work.
[18:58] <younder> As expected NVIDIA support lags behind again. Still all fixable problems.
[18:59] <oerheks> amd, not nvidia
[19:00] <oerheks> for nvidia one could try the driver ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:00] <younder> And yes nvidia does what nvidia does. Not a ubuntu issue.. But still some people might like to know.
[19:00] <ed_> so neither setting nomodeset, acpi=off or vga=0x31B changes anything
[19:03] <ed_> i'm going to play with some other things - i should open a ticket i think
[19:04] <ed_> if you have any ideas first, please /msg me as i'm going AFK for the night, so any ideas for bisecting it first and i'll give that a go
[19:06] <bprompt> ed_: installing the amdgpu drivers from amd is what I can think of
[19:07] <oerheks> that would be amdgpu-pro
[19:07] <oerheks> see that oibaf ppa
[19:07] <oerheks> without pro it should work too
[19:11] <younder> For nvidia just go to add-additional-drivers and select the first from the menu. For cuda you get version 12.0 from apt where from the nvidia cite it offers 12.2. Stick with 12.0 for now.
[20:12] <GSMarquis> tomreyn around?
[20:15] <Niklas_E_> I added a repo for zoneminder-master, i tried zoneminder-1.36 before. I removed zoneminder, removed the repo -1.36 amd added the repo -master and it just want to install zoneminder-1.36. is there anyway make it install 1.37 instead?
[20:16] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: you'll need to seek support with Zoneminder by going to https://zoneminder.com/contact/
[20:18] <sarnold> Niklas_E_: compile it from scratch, maybe?
[20:19] <Niklas_E_> is there any way to clear all the downloaded files so apt have to download new?
[20:19] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: sudo apt clean
[20:20] <leftyfb> Niklas_E_: that won't change what version gets installed
[20:20] <toddc> Niklas_E_: I run zoneminder on ubuntu and 1.37 had issues but let me check curent version  seversl min to remote to it
[20:20] <sarnold> these are the versions available in ubuntu https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zoneminder
[20:20] <sarnold> note no 1.37 versions packaged
[20:21] <sarnold> so if you want 1.37 you get to either run one from someone else or compile it yourself
[20:23] <Niklas_E_> it says on taht site 1.36.33 and mine want to install 1.36.12
[20:23] <toddc> Niklas_E_: I use iconner ppa on launchpad but ppa are not ideal but I am at 1.37.6 stable---but mine I built a very long time ago
[21:44] <younder> Steam games seem completely broken. Some vulkan driver issue that prevents it form creating swap chains and changing display mode. The steam program works, but I can't start any games.
[21:46] <admin2> Hello
[21:47] <floogy> chkdsk truncated the file to 0byte. There seems to be no defective sector, though. I think virtual box or the guest Windows ME did some bad things to the NTFS filesystem on crashing while shutdown ME. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rYqs2YBv7c/
[21:47] <oerheks> windows me honeypot?
[21:47] <floogy> Unfortunately I didn't find a fragment file0001.chk or the like.
[21:48] <floogy> no, some retro activity with virtual box ;)
[21:50] <floogy> But it wa a relatively fresh install. So i didn't lost anything ćrucial.
[21:51] <sarnold> I can't imagine that microsoft would use dd:hh:mm in that ETA field -- it seems very unlikely to me that microsoft would strongly try to keep the program's execution time to hours on the usual system in the 90s, and while your drive is probably way larger today, it's also probably got far faster random access time, way better throughput, and the cpu and memory to match
[21:51] <C3_Rebooted> Hello All
[21:52] <sarnold> hello C3_Rebooted
[21:52] <LuckyMan> hi
[21:52] <floogy> I was interested in how to salvage a corrupted vdh file, but I couldn't copy it under ubuntu. And also under Windows i received "ReadFile(Die Datei oder das Verzeichnis ist beschädigt und nicht lesbar.1392)" (ReadFile(The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable.1392))
[21:54] <sarnold> hi LuckyMan
[21:54] <sarnold> floogy: check dmesg? maybe there's block IO errors in there that show the hardware is actually dying
[21:55] <floogy> copy gnu cp ": numerical result out of range" (34 	ERANGE		Numerical result out of range )
[21:56] <floogy> sarnold, no there were no dmesg output. I think virtual box or the ME guest didn't finished the write operation and left therefor the fs system (NTFS) in an inconsistent state, Though I'm not sure.
[21:57] <sarnold> floogy: very possible, yeah
[21:59] <floogy> I'm currently checking the 8TiB WD external drive under Windows 10. The WD tool said 9-10. It's stuck at 10%
[21:59] <floogy> chkdsk /R ETA 129 days or the like.
[21:59] <oerheks> a virtual box image on ntfs, used in ubuntu?
[22:01] <floogy> Because I'm not sure if the chkdsk salvaged everything without testing the surface ...
[22:01] <floogy> Yes, dual boot with Windows.
[22:10] <floogy> NTFS seemed to be a goot compromise to use the external storage on both systems. You can't ue the VMs on both systems because of the pathnames, though. But everything else, because the external WD is no NAS. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CDtqwGnbkj/
[22:17] <JanC> exFAT is probably a better alternative than NTFS nowadays, for shared external storage
[23:07] <tomreyn> GSMarquis: feel free to just ask your question, there are more qualified people to answer them around here. and i tend to forget what i helped with last time (so even when i help you'll need to sum it all up again).
[23:33] <floogy> JanC, I think the Block Size was the reason I choosed NTFS besides my trust in FAT. I got the impression NTFS is more solid, also that ntfs3 is quite stable.


[00:56] <catintheroof> guys, im using xubuntu 16.04 on a macbookpro 8.2, on xubuntu 14.04 the microphone worked like a charm, but on 16.04 it does'nt, any experiences ?
[01:11] <zombienerd> catintheroof Check Pulse Audio Volume Control.  Under Input devices.
[01:13] <catintheroof> zombienerd, yeah, what do i need to look ?
[01:14] <zombienerd> Is internal microhpone listed?
[01:15] <catintheroof> yes, says: Port: Microphone
[01:15] <catintheroof> and "Line In (Unplugged)"
[01:18] <zombienerd> Give me a moment, firing up a laptop.
[01:21] <zombienerd> Check under configuration.  What does it say under Built in AUdio
[01:24] <zombienerd> You should have that set to "Analog Stereo Duplex".
[01:25] <zombienerd> Then under Input Devices, make sure Port: microphone is selected.
[01:25] <zombienerd> Try making noise, you should see the bar underneath show blue with the sound.
[01:25] <zombienerd> If not, check hardware settings for muting..
[01:25] <catintheroof> zombienerd, everything but the bar mooving is done
[01:26] <zombienerd> So you have no deflection on the bar underneath?  Check your keyboard for mute button.  I'm not familiar with Apples.
[01:26] <zombienerd> If it's not muted, I'm not sure, and you might try asking again later when maybe there's a mac person around.
[01:27] <catintheroof> zombienerd, as long as i know, macbookpro doesnt have a key for mute
[01:27] <catintheroof> zombienerd, i mean it has ... but i can ear or not ear sounds
[01:27] <catintheroof> and i can ear it
[01:27] <catintheroof> then mute it, unmute it, and sound works, but mic doesnt work
[01:30] <zombienerd> Well, obviously the drivers are working as expected, as sound plays, and the device shows up in Pulse.  That leads me to believe it's a hardware issue between the mac and linux.  However, I could be wrong.
[01:32] <zombienerd> Under Input devies, there is a mute button on the right above the drop down box.. Is that selected?
[02:16] <kawhi> hi i can't extract .rar files in xubuntu 16.04. apt-get install rar (or unrar) says that there is not installation candidate available
[02:29] <krytarik> !multiverse | kawhi
[03:22] <krobzaur> hello all. I was messing around with my terminalrc file in xfce and all of a sudden for some reason the terminal emulator won't reload the config when I modify the color theme
[03:23] <krobzaur> Any idea what the problem might be? Is there any way to reload the config manually?
[03:46] <catintheroof> guys, im using xubuntu 16.04 on a macbookpro 8.2, on xubuntu 14.04 the microphone worked like a charm, but on 16.04 it does'nt, any experiences ?
[04:45] <Legendre_> hi hi
[04:46] <Legendre_> having some real grief trying to get a Brother printer installed. Has worked fine on all previous Xubuntu releases, but this one won't fly.
[04:47] <Legendre_> It's an HL2270-DW and it's known to be a tricky model.
[07:32] <[diablo]> Good morning #xubuntu ... I've got the latest 16.04 installed, and my work box has a Hewlett-Packard Company Radeon HD 6350 card...
[07:33] <[diablo]> I'm getting a lot of shearing when moving windows around, scrolling etc... I went to the display prefs and enabled v-sync but still doing it.. any ideas please?
[10:15] <NessaDevil> HI GUys. I have a problem with my xubuntu installation. Please have a look at the image attached. http://bit.ly/276Wars
[17:52] <catintheroof> guys, im using xubuntu 16.04 on a macbookpro 8.2, on xubuntu 14.04 the microphone worked like a charm, but on 16.04 it does'nt, any experiences ?
[20:42] <xubuntu87d>  exited with non-zero exit status 14: Windows is hibernated, refused to mount
[20:42] <xubuntu87d> ailed to mount '/dev/sda2': Operación no permitida The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[20:43] <bekks> xubuntu87d: you have to do what the message tells you to do.
[21:00] <LTR61i> how to make this icon baterry in tray to show percentage of power in 16.04 lts like in 14.04?
[23:04] <chuckmcm> hey folks, anyone know why Xubuntu 16.04 won't wake up the display manager? Ctl-alt-Fx works to bring up an alt tty shell but typing or moving the mouse does not wake Lightdm
[23:05] <chuckmcm> I can kill HUP lightdm and get back to the login screen (all awake) but it has lost all my processes from the session.
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> chuckmcm: That's odd. Are you using a proprietary driver?
[23:14] <chuckmcm> Not that I'm aware of, straight up install of Xubuntu 16.04 on a NUC5i7RYH
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[23:15] <chuckmcm> I thought I had managed to turn off all sleeping as a workaround but something somewhere blanks the screen from which it does not come back (until the aforementioned SIGHUP)
[23:16] <SonikkuAmerica> can you install pastebinit, then run [ inxi -F | pastebinit ]?
[23:16] <chuckmcm> sure
[23:16] <Unit193> chuckmcm: inxi -Fc0 | pastebinit, rather
[23:17] <chuckmcm> And here ya go http://paste.ubuntu.com/16327702/
[23:18] <chuckmcm> btw it complained to stderr: gawk: symbol lookup error: gawk: undefined symbol: mpfr_z_sub
[23:18] <chuckmcm> gawk: symbol lookup error: gawk: undefined symbol: mpfr_z_sub
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: (what does the c0 do?)
[23:19] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Disables color, figured you'd not want to try and read through [03;39 type stuff.
[23:20] <SonikkuAmerica> lol, good catch
[23:21] <chuckmcm> This is the sudo version although some unicode was killing pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16327818/
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Hm.
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> My Intel is a Haswell product
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> this is a Broadwell.
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> But hmm.
[23:34] <chuckmcm> The good news is that it is pretty reproducible, just let the system go overnight without input and then try to wake it up.
[23:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Hehe
[23:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Comforting. :\
[23:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Perhaps it got logged to /var/log/Xorg.0.log or to /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log ?
[23:54] <chuckmcm> Well there is lots of stuff in there, not sure what I'd be looking for though.