[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <geser> good morning
[08:44] <mvineetmenon> when's the release??12.04??
[08:48] <Laney> mvineetmenon: please visit #ubuntu-release-party for such questions
[08:48] <mvineetmenon> @laney : ok..thx
[13:09] <bregma> do not stack stuff on top of your magic trackpad
[13:44] <ScottK> tumbleweed, bdrung: http://paste.debian.net/165459/
[13:44] <Laney> ScottK: get the distro-info-data SRU from -proposed
[13:45] <ScottK> It is a design that is idiotic beyond belief to crash in this case.
[13:45] <ScottK> I will.
[13:45] <tumbleweed> ScottK: we don't really have any better solution to the problem
[13:46] <tumbleweed> either it fails with an error
[13:46] <ScottK> Why should pbuilder-dist precise update not work today just like it did yesterday?
[13:46] <tumbleweed> or it assumes that the last release it knows about is still the devel release. But we know that it isn't
[13:46] <ScottK> It doesn't matter what the devel release is.
[13:46] <ScottK> I told it which one I wanted.
[13:46] <StevenK> There is no devel release currently.
[13:47] <ScottK> That too.
[13:47] <tumbleweed> clearly the problem here is
[13:47] <tumbleweed>     if self.target_distro == UbuntuDistroInfo().devel():
[13:47] <tumbleweed> because we only have forward mappings not reverse...
[13:47] <tumbleweed> but the general problem of what to do when the data is out of date is often: fail
[13:50] <ScottK> I've been thinking it was time to learn about sbuild anyway.
[13:50] <tumbleweed> :)
[13:51] <tumbleweed> and in the last few days I've been thinking that I need to fix the worst of these cases. Mark is getting less and less timely with his name announcements
[14:46] <Rhonda> Hmm, what's the Q
[14:47] <Rhonda> quetzal …  now trying to figure out how long I need to be able to type that properly.  Quicker than oneiric or slower …
[14:48] <tumbleweed> quantal is the word you need to type
[14:49] <Rhonda> oh, right
[14:49] <Rhonda> quantalamera?
[14:50] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:51]  * Rhonda suddenly has some mariachis before her eyes :)
[14:53] <Rhonda> Noone wants to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?  :)
[14:54] <EvilResistance> update how?
[14:54] <EvilResistance> :P
[14:54] <highvoltage> Rhonda: perhaps they did and they're just waiting for it to save? #ubuntuwikislowness ;)
[14:54] <Rhonda> precise from "to be released" to "released"? :)
[14:54] <EvilResistance> the wiki can be pretty slow actually
[14:55]  * Rhonda tries to do herself
[14:55] <EvilResistance> tbph i could probably *try* to edit, but i'm lazy :P
[14:55] <highvoltage> Rhonda: oops, me too :)
[14:55]  * EvilResistance also doesnt have any special role, and might be blocked
[14:55] <highvoltage> Rhonda: well, saved :)
[14:55] <Rhonda> highvoltage, you'll beat me to it, I'm not even logged in yet ;)
[14:55] <EvilResistance> question now
[14:55] <EvilResistance> do you even need "to be released"
[14:56] <EvilResistance> (probably, but with nothting there it makes the page look... weird might be the word)
[14:56] <Rhonda> Yes, I use it to follow the link to the release information for the next one :)
[14:56] <Rhonda> … highvoltage could have added quantal below instead :)
[14:57]  * highvoltage is on it
[14:57] <highvoltage> (just finding the exact dates)
[14:57] <Rhonda> Just put "TBA"
[14:57] <Laney> and kill maverick?
[14:57] <Rhonda> Ah, right, should update packages.ubuntu.com me thinks  :)
[14:58] <tumbleweed> highvoltage: these were what I could determine: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/distro-info-data.git;a=commitdiff;h=89022e2351ec3cd60c457c2b3436b74d54d7ac84 (dates)
[14:58] <EvilResistance> Laney:  you mean on the main page, remove the maverick row?
[14:58] <Laney> yes
[14:59] <highvoltage> done and done
[14:59] <EvilResistance> Laney:  has the dev schedule for Quantal been published yet?
[14:59] <Rhonda> shouldn't hardy moved on the /Releases page to EOLed?
[14:59] <Laney> a draft
[15:00] <Rhonda> Ah, no, april 2013
[15:00] <EvilResistance> hardy for servers, yes.
[15:00] <Rhonda> Yep, Laney, maverick killed
[15:01] <highvoltage> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule is where the draft is, fwiw
[15:02] <EvilResistance> i take it thath backporting from Precise still works (if I can show the package to backport builds, runs, installs, uninstalls correctly on the release being backported to)?
[15:02] <Laney> yes
[15:03] <Laney> and reverse-depends too
[15:03] <Rhonda> I think I'll postpone the changes to the packages site for now.
[15:03] <Rhonda> Laney: Btw backports, wesnoth 1.10.2 upcoming  ;)
[15:03]  * Laney is registering precise-backports now
[15:04] <EvilResistance> Laney:  reverse depends in which context?  that the dependencies for the package that exist in say, Precise, must also exist in, say, Oneiric, and not cause significant breakage?
[15:04] <EvilResistance> s/significant breakage/breakage/
[15:04] <tumbleweed> you don't register them when the release name is announced?
[15:07] <Laney> nah
[15:07] <Laney> you think someone might hijack the name?
[15:07] <tumbleweed> it's possible. But you've got the lp admins on your side :)
[15:09] <EvilResistance> Laney:  what do i need to worry about with the rdeps?
[15:09] <Laney> that they work with the new package
[15:09] <EvilResistance> apart from rdeps not existing on the release the package is being backported to
[15:09] <EvilResistance> ah, of course :P
[15:10] <EvilResistance> i know that the package in question (ZNC) when it was backported to ONeiric from Precise/sid and its rdeps worked
[15:10]  * EvilResistance will confirm with the latest version of ZNC from Precise in an Oneiric env
[16:11] <bobweaver> hello there I am trying to fix a bug for dwww the bug is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dwww/+bug/988937   my question is I am playing with the Makefile for the .desktop file and was wondering what is the correct value for a icon dir ? Here is Makefile well one of them   http://paste.ubuntu.com/947578/ thanks for your time.
[16:42] <bobweaver> Ok so I fixed the error where to upload too ?
[16:42] <bobweaver> or push sorry
[16:42] <bobweaver> I keep getting error bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/dwww/": : Cannot create branch at '/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/dwww'          <~~ I am sure that that is not the right place
[16:44] <astraljava> bobweaver: If you don't have permissions for that project, you can push into your own branch and suggest a merge proposal.
[16:44] <bobweaver> thanks astraljava
[17:07] <bobweaver>  \o/ it worked  now just to try to merge :)
[17:12] <jtaylor> can we already sync stuff to quantal?
[17:12] <jtaylor> for security
[17:13] <Laney> it'll be easiest to just wait
[17:13] <micahg> jtaylor: not open yet
[17:13] <Laney> but i think technically it would go to unapproved
[17:14] <jtaylor> its more to make sure that the precise version gets superseeded by quantal
[17:14] <jtaylor> but ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> should be fine
[17:14] <Laney> why is that time critical?
[17:14] <micahg> not sure if there's a way to test build yet :)
[17:15] <bobweaver> that was my next question how, long till I install alpha Quantal  aka when will alpha be here ?
[17:15] <bobweaver> Is there a mailing list for that ?
[17:16] <jtaylor> ubuntu-devel
[17:16] <Laney> -announce
[17:17] <bobweaver> thanks again jtaylor  I am turning into a skipping recored with that
[17:17] <bobweaver> need to make alais :)
[20:32] <pabelanger> So, packages for precise go through the -proposed process now, right?
[20:32] <pabelanger> s/package/bugs/
[20:32] <pabelanger> bug 989205
[20:32] <micahg> pabelanger: yes
[20:33] <pabelanger> micahg: cool, just confirming.  THanks
[20:46] <jtaylor> pabelanger: there was another asterisk dsa from debian with several quite serious issues, can you take care of them?
[20:47] <jtaylor> 2460-1
[20:49] <pabelanger> jtaylor: Ya, I can see what is need to do for the other branches of ubuntu.  A FFE for asterisk was recently done, which should address these issues
[23:37] <nixternal> distro_info.DistroDataOutdated: Distribution data outdated   <- anyone with an idea of why I am getting that with pbuilder-precise let me know
[23:37] <nixternal> it worked a few days ago
[23:54] <ajmitch> nixternal: I heard word of a 0-day SRU to fix distro-info
[23:54] <nixternal> yeah, ScottK already told me
[23:55]  * ajmitch is just too slow :)
[23:56] <nixternal> old age does that to you
[23:57] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i am in the backports keyring. i will do the backport once i fully recovered from the hard drive failure


[06:41] <cpaelzer> good morning!
[06:43] <Snow-Man> HI!
[06:44] <pitti> good morning!
[06:48] <Snow-Man> pitti: hey there! :)
[06:49] <Snow-Man> pitti: there were multiple comments wrt you in the PG community of late, btw...
[06:49] <Snow-Man> pitti: I'll summarize them real quick, in case you're interested (it's ok if you are not, of course):
[06:49] <Snow-Man> pitti: Why does purge remvoe the data directory too?  Seems a bit dangerous, and a bug was filed about it.
[06:50] <Snow-Man> *remove
[06:50] <Snow-Man> pitti: Why does a purge (or just remove?) stop *all* databases?  That's *really* annoying when doing an upgrade.
[06:51] <Snow-Man> as in you do an upgrade, and then want to remove the 'old' cluster after everything is happy, but that removal ends up shutting down the 'new' cluster. :(
[06:52] <Snow-Man> … I think there were other things, but not remembering atm. :)
[06:54] <pitti> Snow-Man: well, it's a bit of a YAFIYGI thing IMHO -- "purge" means "leave nothing behind", unlike "remove"..
[06:55] <pitti> Snow-Man: removing the wrong cluster sounds like a major bug indeed, but I haven't heard from this at all
[06:55] <pitti> (unlike the "remove clusters on purge" question which comes up every now and then)
[06:58] <pitti> err, stopping, not removing
[06:59] <Snow-Man> yea,it's just stopping
[06:59] <pitti> Snow-Man: the intention is certainly to only stop the clusters of the corresponding version
[07:00] <pitti> maybe that got broken with introducing the systemd services, IIRC it's still calling the init.d script with the version arg
[07:04] <Snow-Man> that seems likely.
[07:04] <Snow-Man> I'll talk to Myon about it
[07:04] <pitti> and the p-common scripts don't test package removal, so it could easily have slipped through
[07:04] <pitti> that's saying something -- "once you install PostgreSQL, you will never want to remove it again!" ☺
[07:05] <Snow-Man> hahaha
[07:05] <Snow-Man> :D
[07:06] <Snow-Man> ohhh
[07:06] <Snow-Man> there was something else
[07:06] <Snow-Man> something like, you need postgresql-common to get the PG userid
[07:07] <Snow-Man> but, to have that, you need a PG server version installed
[07:07] <Snow-Man> something awkward like that
[07:08] <pitti> hm, just -common ought to be enough
[07:09] <cpaelzer> IIRC if you need users prior to package install can add them it would have to go to base-passwd package?
[07:13] <Snow-Man> pitti: nah, it wasn't..  I don't remember why right now tho.
[07:14] <pitti> cpaelzer: right, but that should be very rare -- normally you'd use a Pre-Depends:, or even "more" normally you create needed system users in your own maintscript
[07:14] <cpaelzer> pitti: of course, I just meant if it had to exist "prior" to any related package install
[07:15] <cpaelzer> and if they need to share uid/gid across systems
[07:15] <pitti> right, those are the static gids (< 100)
[11:06] <LocutusOfBorg> jbicha, python-imagick merge? :)
[11:07] <LocutusOfBorg> s/python/php
[11:09] <akxwi-dave> cyphermox:  Has anyone been looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1651716 this is still happening in Xubuntu land, as well as on Ubuntu  zesty iso's
[11:25] <LocutusOfBorg> I would even try a sync
[11:53] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi, could anyone please sponsor a patch for qemu in xenial? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/qemu/+bug/1656480
[11:57] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: I can look at it later today
[11:57] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: thanks!
[13:33] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: feel free to sync it when it's available
[13:37] <LocutusOfBorg> ok ta
[14:18] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: review done - looks all good
[14:18] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: not test building and running some tests on it
[14:18] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: but I'd expect it to be in the upload queue this evening
[14:19] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: thx
[15:24] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh jbicha missing dot :(
[16:05] <acheronuk> forensics-all seems stuck in zesty proposed as it requires https://packages.debian.org/sid/rekall-core
[16:05] <acheronuk> is this syncable?
[16:29] <Dmitrii-Sh> Hi, could anybody take a look at a debdiff for this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/barbican/+bug/1570356 ?
[16:32] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: on the qemu one - tests still running but so far all green
[16:33] <cpaelzer> Dmitrii-Sh: I'll collect the final all green and upload if so before going to bed today
[16:33] <Dmitrii-Sh> cpaelzer: great, thx
[16:34] <elopio> infinity: could you review this one, please? https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1060
[16:37] <infinity> elopio: So, I'm guessing snapcraft doesn't support building for multiple/cross arches on one host?
[16:38] <elopio> infinity: only for the kernel plugin, at the moment.
[16:39] <acheronuk> ok. filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/forensics-all/+bug/1658728
[16:43] <infinity> elopio: Kay.  So, I'm guessing you're avoiding just asking dpkg because you want something that works on all distros.  You'll be grumpy when you realise that GCC triplets are different on RedHat.
[16:45] <infinity> elopio: Also, not sure why, in these scenarios, you care about kernel arch at all.
[16:46] <infinity> elopio: Unless you're using a mismatch later to trigger invoking subproccesses with linux32/linux64 or something.
[16:46] <elopio> infinity: yup, that will be sad. I'm not sure if snapcraft as a snap could bundle dpkg.
[16:46] <infinity> elopio: Which is easier to just hardcode "always assume armhf/i386/powerpc are linux32".
[16:47] <elopio> infinity: can you please comment that on the bug. I wanted to check with you if the approach was correct, but it seems it still needs some work.
[16:47] <elopio> s/bug/pr
[16:47] <infinity> elopio: I'll give it a more thorough look after I've woken up.  Still working on that.
[16:47] <elopio> infinity: take your time :)
[17:21] <infinity> elopio: Added one comment.  I realised my comment about the scenarios was bogus because that was the testsuite, not the actual code.
[17:22] <infinity> elopio: This will probably work on Most distros, but anything with a RedHat-derived toolchain will almost certainly not work without tweaking.
[17:23] <elopio> infinity: we intend to run snapcraft as a snap in other distros. So I think having gcc as a bundled would just work. But it's worth to be sure of that before we go too deep.
[17:23] <elopio> thanks for the review.
[17:24] <infinity> elopio: Bundling gcc with snapcraft sounds pretty gross, IMO.
[17:24] <infinity> elopio: Like, I get the whole snap concept, but there should be limits, one would think. :P
[17:26] <elopio> infinity: the alternative is not so bad either. Check if we are on redhat, and parse the gcc output differently, or something like that.
[17:26] <infinity> elopio: Though, I suppose the flip argument of that is that if the goal is to build things that definitely work on an ubuntu-core core snap, you need both gcc and libc-dev from Ubuntu (or, really, our who build-essential).  But it would seem somewhat saner to have a build-essential snap that gets yanked in for such purposes.  Or something.  I dunno.  *handwavy*
[17:27] <infinity> s/our who/our whole/
[17:28] <elopio> I'm not sure what will be the approach. Just putting an # XXX comment to deal with that later generally works :)
[17:28]  * infinity chokes.
[17:28] <infinity> elopio: Good thing I don't know codebases with decade+ old XXX/FIXME comments. :)
[20:24] <tjaalton> my laptop still has the broken n-m on zesty, what was the quick'n'dirty way to fix dns?
[21:09] <jbicha> tjaalton: the new n-m migrated out of proposed so one quick'n'dirty fix is to update your laptop :)
[21:47] <ScottK> Which might be tough without DNS.
[22:02] <jbicha> oh, my DNS was broken with CNAMES in containers
[22:06] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: install libnss-resolv...something or other :P
[22:06] <tsimonq2> REALLY glad that's pretty much fixed for now


[06:49] <eggonlea> hi, any tips to solve the "sudo: must be setuid root" issue when running "sudo" command in a chroot+qemu-arm-static environment?
[06:52]  * persia tests
[06:53] <persia> Well, it doesn't happen in my lucid armel chroot (on amd64), so I wonder if there is some other factor involved.
[06:53] <persia> What does `ls -l /usr/bin/sudo` show?
[06:53] <eggonlea> it's of correct attribute
[06:54] <persia> -rswr-xr-x ?
[06:54] <eggonlea> -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 98880 Jan 29 15:29 /usr/bin/sudo
[06:54] <eggonlea> the problem, I think, is in /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static
[06:54] <eggonlea> is it?
[06:55] <persia> Hrm.  I saw this before when the rootfs data had been copied in and out of a FAT32 filesystem, but that's not your issue.]
[06:55] <persia> Well, I'd agree, except that I don't get that message :)
[06:55] <persia> How did you construct your chroot?
[06:55] <eggonlea> build-arm-chroot lucid
[06:56] <eggonlea> I chroot this arm rootfs in a x86 PC
[06:56] <eggonlea> so "sudo" after "chroot" is executed via qemu-arm-static actually
[06:56] <persia> Indeed.
[06:57] <persia> Looking at build-arm-chroot, I don't know of any reason that command wouldn't build the chroot you expect.
[06:57] <eggonlea> so, do you mean you could run sudo command correctly in such a chroot env?
[06:57] <persia> I'm on amd64.  Are you on i386?  I wonder if that might be a difference.
[06:58] <eggonlea> y
[06:58] <eggonlea> I'm running Karmic on i386
[06:59] <persia> In that case, I'm inclined to agree with you that it's qemu-arm-static, as that seems to have been changed between karmic and lucid.
[06:59] <eggonlea> I tried chroot into an "installed arm rootfs from livecd" as well. same error.
[06:59] <persia> build-arm-chroot is the same.
[07:01] <eggonlea> so I don't think it's caused by build-arm-chroot.
[07:01] <persia> Neither I, as my chroot is also created by build-arm-chroot (albeit embedded from another script)
[07:02] <persia> Anyone else using build-arm-chroot with Karmic?  Do you get the error eggonlea mentions?
[07:06] <eggonlea> persia, what's your Ubuntu version on amd64?
[07:07] <persia> lucid
[07:07] <persia> Upgraded just a few hours back.
[07:07] <persia> I don't recommend this for production use unless you're prepared to get two pieces when it breaks, but it's a good way to check to make sure one's preferred bugs get fixed.
[07:08]  * eggonlea testing in Lucid/vmware
[07:08] <persia> Now there's an idea!
[07:09] <persia> If you see a difference, file a bug clearly indicating that it doesn't work in karmic and it does work in Lucid.  I'm not sure we can get an update, but a backport is likely possible if a few people can test.
[07:19]  * eggonlea hates the slow network...
[07:19] <persia> Indeed.
[07:52] <eggonlea> same error in lucid/vmware + build-arm-chroot/qemu-arm-static
[07:56] <persia> Very odd.  I wonder why I don't get the error.
[07:57] <persia> Please file a bug about this (`ubuntu-bug qemu-kvm`)
[07:57] <eggonlea> do you have i386 host?
[07:57] <eggonlea> ok
[07:58] <persia> I don't.  Just amd64.
[08:09] <eggonlea> bug filed.
[08:09] <eggonlea> thanks for your kindness.
[14:16] <lool> persia: Great to see qemu-arm-static support in ubuntu-dev-scripts!  You might want to test for presence of build-arm-chroot instead of checking whether the arch is either i386 or amd64 (error would then be "you need the qemu-arm-static package..." and you could use a suggests instead of recommends); BTW the package just got renamed to qemu-kvm-extras-static
[16:12] <dmart> asac: hi
[18:05] <persia> lool: I did in mk-sbuild-lv.  I'm not as sure how to do that with pbuilder-dist.  I'd appreciate a hand if you have any ideas.
[18:10] <lool> persia: Sure
[18:10] <lool> persia: I thought you implemented that though?
[18:12] <persia> python != shell :)
[18:12] <persia> Plus, the logic in pbuilder-dist is particularly opaque to me.
[18:13] <persia> (plus I don't use pbuilder, which makes verification interesting)
[18:22] <lool> persia: Sorry, to clarify: you're more confortable writing shell than python and you would prefer me to improve the logic in pbuilder-dist; correct?
[18:22] <lool> dmart: asac is travelling in the west coast; might be easier to email him
[18:23] <persia> lool: please :)
[18:23] <dmart> lool: I did... not urgent anyway. Thanks
[18:24] <asac> dmart: hi
[18:24] <dmart> Oh, hi there
[18:24] <asac> what can i do ;)?
[18:24] <dmart> how's the sprint?
[18:24] <StevenK> lool: He isn't travelling, he's at the sprint, and has been for 4 days
[18:24] <asac> quite good ... some crisis here and there ;) ... but we seem to have a good new lead on dove
[18:24] <asac> will know more soon
[18:25] <lool> StevenK: He is not at home, so he is on travel for work, hence travelling; sorry if my English explanations suck, but the effect is the same   :-)
[18:26]  * persia blames the awkwardnesses of English spelling and grammar
[18:27] <dmart> at least it's not C++ grammar
[18:27] <dmart> :P
[18:27] <StevenK> Haha
[18:27] <persia> At least that's documented in a single way :)
[18:28]  * StevenK laments his lack of C++ to make a joke that builds on dmart's joke
[18:28] <lool> C++?  haha
[18:28] <asac> dmart: wonder ... could you add examples or give pointers how to properly do the "mov" fixes for thumb2
[18:28] <asac> ?
[18:29] <asac> would like to get the thumb2 list down a bit more this week
[18:30] <dmart> I had some thoughts about that...  did you get a chance to look at the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto
[18:30] <dmart> It still rather incomplete, but progressing gradually.
[18:31] <dmart> I've tried to keep the amount of extra information down, but it may still be quite indigestible to a newcomer.
[18:33] <dmart> I was thinking maybe we should schedule a sort of mini-sprint with some mobile team guys sometime next week... the best way to get people up to speed may be for everyone to pick up a package and try to work out how to fix it... then watch the discussion on IRC.
[18:33] <dmart> Does that sound like a good idea?
[18:35] <asac> dmart: no ... didnt know that page exists
[18:35]  * asac checks
[18:35] <asac> looks like a good start
[18:35] <asac> will check that
[18:35] <asac> thanks
[18:35] <asac> dmart: ^
[18:36] <asac> dmart: yes. i like the idea of making porting sessions
[18:36] <asac> i think we fixed almost all swp ones now
[18:36] <asac> (boost upload pending)
[18:36] <asac> so mov is the most pressing one left i think
[18:36] <dmart> Yes... particularly since these don't generally show up as ftbfs, we need to be more careful.
[18:38] <dmart> OK; I'll probably try and flesh out the missing bits of that wiki page by early next week and we can discuss the way forward at the ubuntu-mobile IRC meeiting.
[18:40] <dmart> asac: ^ I was trying to look at the evolution-data-server update to help sanity-check, but looking in debian/patches I couldn't find the new patches described in the update.
[18:40] <dmart> Should I see the patches after apt-get source, or do I actually need to build the package (or look in bzr etc.)
[18:43] <asac> dmart: i also committed it to bzr, yes.
[18:44] <asac> dmart: you couldnt find the patches?
[18:44] <asac> hmm
[18:44] <asac> guess i messed that
[18:44] <asac> darn ;)
[18:44] <dmart> I think I have the right package version; debian/changelog mentions the patches
[18:45] <dmart> I tried a build anyway... it hasn't fallen over yet, but it's not finished...
[18:45] <asac> yes
[18:45] <asac> i think i failed to add it to bzr
[18:45] <asac> darn
[18:45] <asac> sigh ... i knew i should have uploaded without doing bzr first
[18:45] <asac> guess i have to redo it
[18:46]  * asac hopes he still has the build tree somewhere
[18:46] <persia> As far as I can tell, if one uploads whilst ignoring bzr, automated systems do the right thing.
[18:46] <asac> good still have it in a porter bux
[18:47] <asac> persia: i remembered seb wanting me to commit it
[18:47] <asac> so i wanted to be nice
[18:47]  * asac goes and redoes
[18:47] <lool> asac: You might have it in your checkout still
[18:47] <lool> or in the package itself
[18:47] <lool> Ah no
[18:47] <lool> Your debdiff is definitely empty
[18:48] <asac> i did the checkout in /tmp/ ;)
[18:48] <asac> but i found it on the porter machine :-P
[18:48] <asac> \o/
[18:49] <asac> dmart: you can check boost1.40
[18:50] <dmart> ok... I'll try and take a look, probably tomorrow.
[18:51] <asac> yes
[18:51] <asac> make more sense
[18:51] <asac> dmart: check boost1.40
[18:51] <asac> i think thats uploaded ;)
[18:51] <dmart> ok, will do
[20:29] <Marrs> hi all, I'm looking for some information about running openjdk on ARM, does anybody here have links to some info on this (are there binary packages available for it, etc..)?
[20:39] <lool> Marrs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6
[20:40] <lool> Marrs: The latest lucid version is still building on armel, but yes, there are usually binaries available for armel
[20:40] <persia> There's been a couple reports about some code paths causing VM issues, so heavy testing and reporting of any issues would be very welcome.
[20:40] <Marrs> ideally, I'm looking for a stable binary release, so that would be the karmik one?
[20:41] <Marrs> karmic that is :)
[20:41] <Marrs> persia: I'm definitely going to try to kick its tires :)
[20:42] <persia> karmic is a stable binary release, but if you find issues, those are easier to fix in lucid (and moreso if previously verified in lucid).
[20:42] <persia> I'd recommend starting with karmic, and maybe testing against lucid in a chroot if you encounter issues.
[20:42] <Marrs> persia: understood
[20:43] <Marrs> btw, I'm not so experienced in the ARM architecture, I'm more of a Java guy, could you take a look at this ARM based board and tell me if you think it will run openjdk? (looking up link now..)
[20:44] <persia> Better question is whether it can run Ubuntu, and which releases :)
[20:44] <persia> Running OpenJDK is mostly a side-effect of that.
[20:44] <Marrs> fair enough... supplier says it can run ubuntu, I have yet to find out which version, but this is the board: http://www.msc-ge.com/de/produkte/com/exm32/3640-www.html
[20:45] <Marrs> whoops, that was the german page, hit the english flag in the top right corner for an instant translation ;)
[20:46] <persia> Deutsh ist also gut.
[20:46]  * persia can't spell today
[20:46] <Marrs> ;) ok
[20:47] <persia> I'd recommend against this one.  I think it can run Jaunty with a custom kernel, but it wouldn't be able to run karmic or lucid.
[20:48] <Marrs> ouch :(
[20:48] <Marrs> what's the main problem?
[20:50] <Marrs> or, what type of board should I look for
[20:56] <persia> You want something that can handle the ARMv7 ISA.
[20:57] <persia> So, if looking at something using an i.MX processor, you'll want at least the i.MX51.
[20:57] <persia> There's also stuff from other vendors, of course :)
[20:59] <Marrs> ok
[21:03] <Marrs> if you have any links to a board you could recommend, that would be welcome
[21:06] <lool> Marrs: The boards which are officially supported in Ubuntu kernels aren't that cheap or common, but it's improving quickly; popular boards around here are OMAP 35xx or 34xx based boards e.g. beagleboard
[21:06] <lool> beagleboard is probably the one we get the most pinged about
[21:06] <Marrs> thanks
[21:06] <Marrs> I'll look for those and see if we can use them
[21:16] <armin76> lool: +available


[02:32] <boredandblogging> Rinchen: drupal does have a contact form thing built in
[02:32] <boredandblogging> we MIGHT be able to configure it without any code changes


[08:28] <Ziroday> Hi, our loco is trying to register a branch to basically hold all of your documents
[08:29] <Ziroday> however LP says that we need a project?
[08:30] <wgrant> LP is correct.
[08:30] <Ziroday> okay, what do we put the project under?
[08:30] <wgrant> You mean what name?
[08:31] <Ziroday> no the project, LP says teams can't have a junk branch
[08:31] <wgrant> Right, you would create a project unless you already had one for this purpose.
[08:32] <Ziroday> okay
[08:32] <Ziroday> wgrant: thanks
[11:06] <psycose> hi all
[11:09] <psycose> I would like to know if adding this knid of line on a debian/rules could break th Launchpad PPA builder system, as it work on my system but something strange happen on the PPA build log ... : export LD_LIBRARY_PATH := debian/libgnatgpr0/usr/lib:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
[11:09] <psycose> any tips ? thanks
[13:44] <gour> hi, i'm planning general gui application which will have several modules which might be released separately (like bindings for C-lib, several core-libs etc.). is there way to register those 'modules' as separate projects and make them kind of sub-projects of the main app? i see there is concept of 'project group', but i'm not sure if it's possible to promote existent project into 'project group? or to just stick everything under the
[13:44] <gour> present LP project?
[13:46] <andrea-bs> gour: you have to ask for the creation of a project group on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad, then you'll be able to link your subprojects
[13:48] <gour> andrea-bs: is it possible to 'upgrade' current project to eh project group (to avoid creating a new one)?
[13:49] <andrea-bs> gour: unfortunately no: superprojects are created only from scratch
[13:50] <gour> andrea-bs: hmm, ok.
[14:00]  * gour submitted 'question'
[14:04] <gour> i see several requests to 'upgrade' project to superproject..it would be nice addition in LP
[14:05] <andrea-bs> gour: yes, I agree, it's not obvious that projects are created from scratch
[14:16] <andrea-bs> OOPS-973DEMOC1 trying to view a pool on demo.launchpad.net
[14:16] <andrea-bs> (a closed pool)
[14:32] <NCommander> Does anyone know where I can download a buildd chroot to try and reproduce a build failure?
[14:33] <NCommander> I know they're in librarian, but beyond that I haven't got a clue
[14:33] <NCommander> ^ - cprov
[14:34] <andrea-bs> NCommander: what about pbuilder?
[14:34] <NCommander> Can't reproduce locally with sbuild or pbuilder
[14:34] <NCommander> Its something in the buildd chroot thats causing it
[14:35] <NCommander> Wee, fixed netatalk :-)
[14:35] <NCommander> But the diff is UGLY
[14:35] <NCommander> Broken clean rule -_-;
[15:30] <NCommander> jdong, ping?
[15:30] <NCommander> er
[16:26] <Adri2000> why in the source package view, the uploader name is sometimes displayed, and sometimes not?
[16:27] <Adri2000> btw, is it the person in the changelog? or the signer of the upload?


[04:03] <chilts> afternoon
[04:10] <ojwb> hi
[10:49] <brendonjt> hey there all
[10:50] <kcj> Hello.
[10:52] <brendonjt> hows things going
[10:52] <kcj> Reasonable.
[10:53] <brendonjt> awe ok
[11:07] <ajmitch> that was a quick visit
[11:09] <kcj> Indeed.
[22:41] <kcj> Morning.


[02:34] <myno> There is an Ubuntu LoCo in Iowa, where I live. With the closure of the ShipIt program, do these LoCos offer to ship media to users? My internet is too slow to download it within the intermittent service disconnections I get.
[02:42] <myno> When visiting the like given in the topic, I am told I am not a member of any authorized teams. I assume that's because only team leaders are allowed to request CDs.
[03:00] <myno> Does anyone know where I can request an Ubuntu CD?
[03:05] <mhall119> myno: your LoCo team isn't on the list to get shipments of CDs, but someone in the team will likely be willing to burn you one
[03:06] <mhall119> if you want one of the official printed ones, you can buy one from the store: http://shop.canonical.com/index.php?cPath=17
[03:06] <myno> mhall119: Ah ok. That was my main concern (unofficial teams, according to some of the comments on the ShipIt closure blog post) didn't seem to be qualified. I'll contact one of the folks on the team. Thanks!
[03:07] <mhall119> myno: yeah, unfortunately because of limited resources, not all teams get free CDs
[03:07] <myno> mhall119: Understandable.
[10:34] <bkerensa> Happy UCADay
[14:23] <mhall119> paultag: ping
[14:39] <mhall119> paultag: I just wanted to say thanks for your work in the community, and your advice and friendship to me
[15:00] <gsrlz67> where do i tell ubuntu mistakes
[15:01] <gsrlz67> which side is it
[15:16] <leoquant> nigelb are you still into "classrooms"/classroom project?
[16:40] <paultag> mhall119: thanks, man :)
[16:40] <paultag> mhall119: I'll miss y'all.
[16:41] <mhall119> miss us?
[16:41] <mhall119> where are you going?
[16:41] <mhall119> paultag: ^^
[16:42] <paultag> mhall119: Well, I plan on phasing out my membership in teams (my bugsquad and -control  memebership expire this week), and when I leave a team, I'll be thinning out IRC channels as well
[16:42] <paultag> mhall119: but I'll be around. I'll be in Debian, anyway
[16:42]  * mhall119 will stalk you
[16:42] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:42] <czajkowski> likewise
[16:42] <paultag> awww :)
[16:42] <czajkowski> paultag: you are not getting away that easily from me!
[16:43] <paultag> I'll still have my ubuntu membership, and I'll stay on planet.ubuntu
[16:43] <czajkowski> we have spoken about this :)
[16:43] <paultag> yeah :)
[16:43] <paultag> but it feels... good.
[16:43] <mhall119> going to debian can hardly be considered leaving the ubuntu community
[16:43] <paultag> I've even had time to finish an idea I started, which is rare
[16:43] <paultag> mhall119: I'll be contributing indirectly
[16:44] <paultag> mhall119: and that's why I feel OK maintaining my ubuntu membership
[16:44] <mhall119> it's like saying you're leaving construction because you're switching from roofing to laying concrete foundations ;)
[16:45] <paultag> mhall119: Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's just I can't imagine be as active with Ubuntu as I was for this last, oh, 4 years.
[16:47] <mhall119> well I'd say I'll miss you too, but I for one don't plan on leaving you alone
[16:47] <paultag> my inbox will always be open :)
[16:47] <paultag> I'm sure I'll idle in some freenode channels
[16:48] <mhall119> but you're not in #debian/
[16:48] <mhall119> ?
[16:48] <paultag> mhall119: not on Freenode, and not of OFTC :)
[16:48] <paultag> I'm in debian-devel on oftc, along with debian-mentors and a slew of others
[16:48] <mhall119> which is the preferred network for debian?
[16:48] <paultag> mhall119: oftc
[16:48] <mhall119> great, another network to join
[16:48] <paultag> :P
[16:51] <paultag> mhall119<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:51] <paultag> mhall119: fancy :)
[16:51] <paultag> mhall119: got a nice little EC2 instance? :)
[16:51] <mhall119> s/fancy/lazy
[16:51] <mhall119> got 2 right now, going to terminate one as soon as I migrate readfeeder.net to mhall119.com's instance
[16:52] <paultag> gotcha
[16:54] <paultag> So, what's a good key that's not used in a normal terminal session?
[16:54] <paultag> what's the most "useless" terminal key?
[16:56] <mhall119> terminal key?
[16:56] <mhall119> or keyboard key while using a terminal?
[16:56] <paultag> mhall119: yeah
[16:56] <mhall119> %?
[16:58]  * mhall119 needs to re-organize his irssi windows
[17:00] <paultag> mhall119: well, I'm working on my little app-thing
[17:00] <paultag> mhall119: and I'd like to find a key combo to issue a command to it, rather then the terminal
[17:00] <paultag> % might suck for date format strings, or programmers
[17:04] <mhall119> hmmm, true
[17:05] <paultag> I'm thinking meta
[17:05] <paultag> no one uses meta anymore
[17:05] <paultag> I always did like the super key for stuff like that
[17:06] <mhall119> yeah, but super key is used a lot in Unity, and probably also by custom window management shortcuts
[17:07] <mhall119> alt+F* is used in window management too, but alt+[a-z0-9] is probably okay
[17:07] <paultag> mhall119: well, I don't really mind, since a window manager makes this app fairly to pretty useless
[17:07] <paultag> mhall119: alt is used by irssi a lot
[17:07] <paultag> I'd rather not klobber my own irc client :)
[17:09] <mhall119> except that alt+[0-9] is used in irssi
[17:09] <mhall119> blah, delay
[17:10] <paultag> np, I'm lagging hard too
[17:10] <mhall119> so, the drawback of running irssi on an EC2 micro instance, every once in a while someone else on that box clobbers the CPU, and you end up waiting
[17:10] <paultag> my wifi at this starbucks is horrid
[17:10] <paultag> so my ssh session keeps breaking
[17:11] <mhall119> ssh is surprisingly resilient to network problems, compared to many other services
[17:11] <paultag> that's true
[17:12] <paultag> good hot damn, whoever's playing the blues on this starbucks radio is just amazing
[17:13] <mhall119> Hugh Laurie?
[17:13] <paultag> he has an amazing voice
[17:13] <paultag> and he can play the hell out of some blues
[17:13] <mhall119> in any accent
[17:13] <paultag> inorite?
[17:22] <paultag> Well, anyway, it works enough for me to type this
[17:22] <paultag> some minor issues, but mostly OK
[17:22] <paultag> (and no color)
[17:22] <paultag> (and it can't resize)
[17:22] <paultag> (well it can, but the term won't relize it)
[17:23] <mhall119> your wifi doesn't have color?  that's a shame
[17:25] <paultag> mhall119: my terminal app :)
[17:38] <paultag> mhall119: I'm thinking ctrl+e
[17:38] <paultag> can you think of any iuse for that?
[17:39] <paultag> Ctrl+e = ascii 0x05 = ENQ(uery)
[17:54] <huats> czajkowski: of course I have seen it
[17:54] <huats> Castres is quite close fromToulouse :)


[12:42] <mdke> I hate it when people don't idle 24 hours in here
[12:43] <LaserJock> why?
[12:43] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:44] <mdke> LaserJock: it means I can't contribute to discussions which took place many hours ago >_<
[12:54] <LaserJock> ah the LP thing?
[12:55] <mdke> well that, but more specifically will's question about translations
[12:56] <mdke> popey: here?
[01:09] <popey> yes mdke
[01:09] <popey> not for long tho
[01:09] <mdke> popey: sorry I didn't catch up with you today, was a long day
[01:10] <popey> no probs, I understand
[01:10] <mdke> all well?
[01:10] <popey> yeah, work is a bit busy as it's my last week :)
[01:10] <mdke> oh yeah
[01:10] <popey> people keep taking me down the pub also
[01:11] <mdke> heh. down the tapas bar in my case
[01:11] <popey> :) nice
[01:11] <mdke> so they can spill wine on me and put christmas hats on me
[01:11] <popey> haha
[01:13] <popey> off to bed for me actually
[01:13] <popey> unless there was anything specific you pinged me for ?
[01:15] <mdke> popey: no, good night
[01:15] <popey> nn
[02:48] <bdmurray> mdke: Looking at the Linux Basics Headings and changing "Switch to Console mode" to "Switching to Console mode", I noticed that phrase appears multiple places in svn tree.  Should I make 1 patch per document, i.e. one for ./ubuntu/C/newtoubuntu/basic-concepts.xml and 1 for ./kubuntu/C/newtokubuntu/basic-concepts.xml? Or one that covers all of them?
[02:48] <jjesse> sorry a little lagged
[02:48] <jjesse> but one patch for both
[02:49] <bdmurray> Okay.  There are actually 4, so one patch for all four?
[02:49] <jjesse> just worry about what is in /ubuntu/C/ and kubuntu/C is that what you are asking?
[02:51] <bdmurray> The phrase "Switch to Console mode" appears in /ubuntu/C/, /kubuntu/C/newtokubuntu/ , /kubuntu/C/misc/ and /kubuntu/desktopguide/ .  Should all the occurences be patched?
[02:52] <jjesse> don't worry about kubuntu/desktopguide
[02:52] <jjesse> one patch for /ubuntu/C
[02:52] <jjesse> and one patch for kubuntu stuff would be fine imo
[02:52] <bdmurray> okay, cool. thanks.
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76016 in ubuntu-doc "Not obvious enough how to contribute to Ubuntu documentation" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76016
[06:37] <Burgundavia> ok, grumble
[06:37] <Burgundavia> mdke: will nuked a bunch of stuff he should have refreshed
[07:31] <nixternal> Burgundavia: can any of it be saved?
[07:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: it has been moved to the help wiki, but he didn't leave refreshes behind
[07:32] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:32] <nixternal> need help with them?
[07:32] <nixternal> i can take a break from this games document
[07:35] <Burgundavia> nope, done
[07:36] <nixternal> roger, back to the games doc :)
[08:34] <nixternal> updated kubuntu/C/games/games.xml with a new look/layout. so far have kde games implemented and will work on more tomorrow..just want to know if the layout is what you are looking for in regards to tbh
[08:34] <nixternal> mdke ^^
[08:34] <nixternal> g'nite all
[09:19] <mdke> Burgundavia: now's your chance
[09:19] <Burgundavia> willvdl: hey will
[09:25] <mdke> yay, lots of patches
[11:56] <matthewrevell> Hey guys
[11:56] <Madpilot> hi matthewrevell
[11:58] <matthewrevell> I'm just making some notes about the Ubuntu Yelp format docs, with my suggestions for where we might have another couple of Launchpad mentions. Would it be best to send that to the mailing list?
[11:59] <Madpilot> yes
[12:01] <matthewrevell> cool
[12:01] <matthewrevell> thanks
[12:03] <TLE> Hey guys, any bugsquashers in here ?
[12:05] <TLE> I was reading through some of the bugsquashing wiki pages yesterday, and found a number of "old" references in them and I was wondering if somebody wanted to correct them
[12:05] <TLE> I'd do it myself exept I'm new to WIKI editing and even newer to bugsquashing
[12:23] <matthewrevell> TLE: When you say "old" references, do you mean that the wiki pages described an old way of doing things?
[12:48] <TLE> matthewrevell: hey sorry, I was away. At https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay?action=show&redirect=UbuntuHugDay we have the text "We've now released the beta for Edgy Eft"
[12:51] <ktogias> I want to work on translating some of the community documentation (help.ubuntu.com/community/) pages to greek...  Should I create the greek pages at the help.ubuntu.com/community/ wiki or it is a bad place for them? Should I instead use the ubuntu-gr.org wiki?
[12:55] <ktogias> I have created a cuple of "sample" greek pages  under help.ubuntu.com/community/ . I name them as el/EnglishPageName (eg. see help.ubuntu.com/community/el/CommonQuestions).
[12:57] <ktogias> The pros of this approach is that greek pages are searchable and accessible from the main help.ubuntu.com/community site and links to not yet translated pages point with no modification to the correspoding english ones.
[01:00] <ktogias> Should I continue working this way on the help.ubuntu.com/community/ (with coordination with my loco team), or should I move and continue at ubuntu-gr.org space?
[01:26] <mpt> ktogias, as long as you follow a consistent pattern, if we decide later that we need to organize things differently, we can automate whatever change needs to be made
[01:26] <mpt> (e.g. changing URLs)
[01:32] <ktogias> ok... I have decided to put everything under help.ubuntu.com/community/el/PageName and create Redirection pages with the corresponding greek name under help.ubuntu.com/community/ (e.g. help.ubuntu.com/community/ ) in order for the page to be searchable by the greek title. I do not use the greek title at first place, because greek characters on urls are translated to hex values resulting in long, ugly and mea
[01:32] <ktogias> ningless referring urls (eg. help.ubuntu.com/community/%ce%a3%cf%85%cf%87%ce%bd%ce%ad%cf%82_%ce%95%cf%81%cf%89%cf%84%ce%ae%cf%83%ce%b5%ce%b9%cf%82)
[01:33] <ktogias> Any problem with this approach?
[01:42] <willvdl> ktogias, is there a Greek LoCo team?
[01:42] <ktogias> yes... I am a member of it
[01:42] <ktogias> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreekTeam
[01:43] <ktogias> And we have the ubuntu-gr.org space
[01:47] <matthewrevell> I delayed mentioning docs in launchpad-user to start speaking to potential user panel people, and thought I'd speak to them about docs at first instead.
[01:47] <matthewrevell> wrong channel
[01:56] <willvdl> ktogias, I think translations are better suited to the LoCo team websites. I'm not sure how the other LoCo's do it (having not looked yet)
[01:59] <ktogias> I think it is a good thing to have the localized documentation centralized to the main help.ubuntu site. Someone with ignorance of the ubuntu-gr.org site, would be able to be aware of the existance of greek docs with a search to the help.ubuntu.com/community site...
[02:02] <ktogias> And moving the few (at the beginning) translated pages to ubuntu-gr.org will isolate greek docs from the rest documentation and we will have to change links to pages not yet translated to point to help.ubuntu.com corresponding English pages, or have them to point to empty pages (not a good thing for a reader that could continue his reading in english if the greek page was not available)
[02:02] <willvdl> I agree with you. Thing is there is no current way to handle localisation or content filtering in the moinmoin wiki.
[02:03] <ktogias> I know :(
[02:03] <willvdl> what some do is they maintain a working copy of the wiki (rsynced to their site) that gets translated as they go
[02:04] <ktogias> I find this far more complicated... And who/when should we sync?
[02:05] <ktogias> This could lead to obsolete/unsyncronized docs in our "mirror"...
[02:05] <willvdl> I just noticed an Italian group doing that a while back.
[02:06] <willvdl> well, I'm not really the one to ask but if something like rsync is set properly then it could happen as changes are made
[02:09] <willvdl> The thing with using unicode titles is that even help.ubuntu.com/community/  becomes hex in the url
[02:10] <ktogias> Ok... As i see there is not a standard path for having localized Community documentation.... Thanks for your suggestions, I will discuss them with the members of greek loco team.
[02:11] <willvdl> as mpt said though, as you follow a consistent pattern things would probably work out
[07:31] <mdke> evening
[07:32] <Burgwork> evening mdke
[07:34] <mdke> how goes it Burgwork ?
[07:34] <Burgwork> not bad
[07:50] <nixternal> hmm. it seems that the 3d chess game in gnome games only works with opengl, when it states it works in either 2d or 3d mode, and also states it comes with gnu chess as the default ai, however none of this is true with Ubuntu
[07:50] <Burgwork> no, it works in 2d for me
[07:50] <Burgwork> in fact, i cannot get it into 3d
[07:51] <nixternal> hmm. it will not start up in feisty for me (on Kubuntu) because it can't find the glade module
[07:52] <Burgwork> file a bug
[07:52] <mdke> sounds like a missing dependency
[07:53] <nixternal> ya, im looking at the package now
[07:53] <nixternal> thats what i love about Linux..i find an issue, i report the bug, i fix the issue, and close the bug :)
[07:53] <mdke> yes, works here on Ubuntu too. Must be a missing dep
[07:54] <nixternal> ya, i installed python2.4-glade2 and it works
[07:54] <mdke> easy one :)
[07:54] <nixternal> hehe
[07:57] <mdke> bdmurray: nice work on all these patches, much appreciated
[07:58] <bdmurray> mdke: no problem, thanks.
[08:00] <bdmurray> I see there are still a couple I have submitted via launchpad.  Are changes applied more quickly when sent to the mailing list?
[08:01] <mdke> yeah, I guess I've noticed them more prominently
[08:02] <mdke> bdmurray: are you feeling relatively comfortable about docbook and our other tools? Any questions or anything like that?
[08:04] <bdmurray> I'm not really clear on the differentiation between the directories in svn.  If that question makes sense.
[08:05] <bdmurray> Well, I guess it isn't really a question per se.
[08:06] <mdke> can you explain a bit more?
[08:08] <bdmurray> when I run 'find . -name '*.xml' | xargs grep -H "Users and Groups"' the phrase appears multiple times in the tree.  Some of which I would expect some of which I wouldn't.
[08:08] <mdke> in which places?
[08:09] <bdmurray> I would expect in to show up in kubuntu , xubuntu and ubuntu.  But not in kubuntu/C/misc/linux-basics.xml and kubuntu/desktopguide/C/linux-basics.xml
[08:09] <mdke> ok, that has an innocent explanation
[08:09] <bdmurray> and /kubuntu/C/newtokubuntu/basic-concepts.xm
[08:10] <mdke> kubuntu/C/misc/ is a dump directory to store files which we are not sure about whether we are going to integrate elsewhere
[08:10] <mdke> kubuntu/desktopguide/ is an old directory that nixternal will remove when he is satisfied that the migration to the new structure has been completed
[08:10] <mdke> and kubuntu/C/newtokubuntu is the right place :)
[08:11] <mdke> it's basically because we have recently messed around very significantly with our structure
[08:11] <mdke> and still need to clean house a bit
[08:11] <bdmurray> Okay, that makes sense then.
[08:11] <nixternal> mdke: should I put a NOTE or README in that directory, or even a DO_NOT_USE for the time being?
[08:12] <nixternal> actually, i could just remove it, because i put the files in kubuntu/C/misc
[08:12] <bdmurray> maybe there should be a top level README regarding the structure
[08:12] <mdke> yeah
[08:12] <bdmurray> because what I was doing wouldn't have found it
[08:13] <mdke> ok, patches all committed, good job!
[08:13] <mdke> bdmurray: please poke me or someone else if a patch of yours has not been applied.
[08:14] <mdke> if you think you will continue to contribute in this way, I'd like to arrange svn access for you so you can do so directly. You seem to know what you're doing
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76542 in ubuntu-doc "Verbage change in basic-concepts.xml" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76542
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76545 in ubuntu-doc "Sentence order change in basic-concepts.xml" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76545
[08:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76547 in ubuntu-doc "verbage change in add-applications-introduction" [Undecided,Fix committed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/76547
[08:16] <mdke> Seveas: Ubugtu is telling us about bugs which aren't new. Please discipline him in whatever way seems best
[08:16] <nixternal> lol
[08:16] <Seveas> mdke, that'sbacklog
[08:16] <nixternal> i can picture Seveas sitting there spanking his computer...bad computer
[08:16] <mdke> Seveas: hmm?
[08:16] <bdmurray> mdke: okay, thanks.
[08:17] <Seveas> ubugtu was down
[08:17] <mdke> ah, ok. Those were bugs I just changed the status of, so I got the wrong impression I guess
[08:17] <Seveas> bugs coming in during downtime will be seen as new at the first reply to that bug when he's back up
[08:17] <bdmurray> mdke: let me think about the svn access and how much time I can commit.
[08:18] <mdke> Seveas: ah, that makes sense now, thanks
[08:18] <mdke> bdmurray: certainly. We don't have any requirements about that, a number of contributors come and go a good deal
[08:19] <mdke> hell, without me and nixternal svn would fall asleep half the time
[08:19] <mdke> and jjesse
[08:19] <bdmurray> heh, okay then I'll help keep it awake.
[08:19] <mdke> you're on. Welcome aboard
[08:20] <nixternal> lol
[08:20] <bdmurray> Thanks.
[08:20] <nixternal> only because jjesse only recently got his commit rights back
[08:20] <nixternal> or password correct
[08:20] <mdke> Burgwork: you ok with bdmurray, right? I'd also quite like to add linuxphotogeek who has been doing some good patches recently
[08:20] <Burgwork> mdke: sounds good
[08:42] <bdmurray> Will my username and password for svn commits be the same as for launchpad?
[08:44] <mdke> yeah
[08:54] <Burgwork> hey willvdl, did you get my ping earlier?
[08:55] <willvdl> hey. sorry no. basically logged on and moved away :|
[08:56] <willvdl> very distracted today
[08:56] <Burgwork> no worries
[08:57] <Burgwork> I basically said that if you move stuff from wiki.u.c to the help wiki, leave a refresh behind, as I did with the edubuntu pages you nuked
[09:04] <willvdl> ah. yes
[09:04] <willvdl> Burgwork, I made a mistake there, only read the policy bit afterwards.
[09:05] <Burgwork> no worries
[09:05] <Burgwork> no major harm done
[09:05] <willvdl> well, I was cleaning up edubuntu wiki and looked for last edit dates and any references to the moved pages. Those with none got nuked.
[09:30] <nixternal> mdke: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38275/
[09:30] <nixternal> have you ever used the <keyword> stuff in a document? will this help with searching possibly?
[09:33] <bdmurray> hrm, I'm having a hard time making a commit.  Should I be able to now?
[09:33] <nixternal> you received your password already?
[09:33] <bdmurray> nixternal: no, I thought mdke said it would be my launchpad username and password.
[09:34] <nixternal> you will use your launchpad username, but canonical will email you a password
[09:34] <bdmurray> nixternal: okay thanks.  I'll try and be more patient. ;)
[09:34] <nixternal> the email will be encrypted, but seeing as you are probably on launchpad and on the team, I am guessing you already sent your key, and then signed the CoC
[09:35] <bdmurray> Yes, I have a launchpad account and I have sent my key and signed the CoC.  However, I don't see myself in launchpad listed as part of the team.
[09:36] <nixternal> ok, mdke will add you as soon as he can
[09:37] <bdmurray> okay, not a big deal.  Do you know how long it takes to get the svn password?  I'm trying to decide if I should sit on the change / patch or e-mail it.
[09:37] <nixternal> i received mine fairly quick, so from now until i would say a day at the least
[09:38] <nixternal> as long as they aren't busy and an admin is around to do so
[09:38] <bdmurray> Cool, thanks for the information.
[09:38] <nixternal> no problem
[09:38] <nixternal> are you a Kubuntu user or Ubuntu?
[09:39] <bdmurray> More Kubuntu, but I have an Edubuntu system around here too.
[09:39] <nixternal> woohoo!
[09:39] <nixternal> the Kubuntu side of docs is getting bigger..that rocks
[09:40] <nixternal> well as it stands, most of the stuff right now is done by jjesse, robotgeek, trappist, and myself, with ryanakca and a couple of others just getting into it
[09:40] <bdmurray> Some of the documentation seems generic too.
[09:41] <nixternal> right now on the Kubuntu side of things, just like the Ubuntu side, we are concentrating heavily on the Topic Based Help
[09:41] <nixternal> also, the About Kubuntu section will get sucked into Ubiquity for a nice presentation while the system is installed
[09:42] <nixternal> bdmurray: the reason for the generic feeling is because in the beginning a lot of the Kubuntu documentation was sucked from the Ubuntu side
[09:42] <bdmurray> I didn't really mean generic but that some tools appear in both.
[09:42] <nixternal> with Edgy docs, we were under a super tight deadline and it got busy quick, but a lot of us were dealing with other things at the same time, making it difficult to concentrate 100%
[09:43] <nixternal> bdmurray: i know what you meant, but there is a lot of rather generic usage..hopefully with the time we have now we can fix most of that if not all of that
[09:44] <nixternal> if you are up to it, feel free to grab a section out of trunk/kubuntu/C/ and hack away. i am working on the game section right now, but for the rest of the guys i don't knwo what they might be hacking on
[09:44] <nixternal> usually, i just send an email to list to find out who is doing what in kubuntu
[09:45] <bdmurray> Is the projects page in the wiki current?
[09:45] <nixternal> i'm affraid not
[09:45] <mdke> generic = good
[09:45] <nixternal> only if it applies equally is it good though
[09:46] <nixternal> there were some sections in the old kdg that referred to gnome ways, which really are boogs more than they are being generic
[09:47] <mdke> sure
[09:47] <nixternal> but of course, trying to do things the same way that works for all makes life so much easier
[09:47] <nixternal> i.e., the games section
[09:48] <nixternal> i have kde game and gnome games pretty much covered..i want to insert some of the popular games, windows replacements (which are already pretty much covered, so possibly a small section with xrefs back to the original content
[09:48] <bdmurray> lunch time here, cya
[09:48] <nixternal> and then a small write up that it is possible to play WoW, Quake 4, and such non-natively by using Cedega
[09:49] <nixternal> like 1 para that it is possible, and that you should review the cedega site, and of course it isn't free, gonna cost ya a few bucks a month/year
[09:49] <nixternal> cya later bdmurray
[09:59] <mdke> ma /win 11
[09:59] <nixternal> heh
[10:00] <nixternal> hehe
[10:00] <nixternal> thats alright, i find myself trying to change windows by doing cd
[10:05] <mdke> Burgwork: have you tried the CMSs yet?
[10:05] <Burgwork> mdke: not yet
[10:05] <mdke> I can't log in
[10:07] <Burgwork> ah
[10:19] <mdke> was my foolishness
[11:24] <mdke> popey: around?
[11:24] <jjesse> hello mdke
[11:34] <mdke> hi jjesse
[12:00] <popey> mdke: unfortunately just off to bed
[12:00] <popey> saw the mail though, thanks!
[12:01] <popey> ooo, a reply from ubuntuclips
[12:01] <mdke> yeah
[12:01] <mdke> popey: when you have some more time, we can chat about maybe creating doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts or similar
[12:02] <popey> yup
[12:02] <mdke> cool
[12:02] <mdke> night
[12:02] <popey> i would also like to see some kind of direction
[12:02] <popey> I am making it up as I go along
[12:02] <popey> if peopls have a core list, that would be great
[12:03] <popey> at the moment I am working off my own list to do, but have taken input from some of the how-tos on help.u.c
[12:03] <popey> for example the one about dual booting was a direct lift of the dual boot how to
[12:03] <popey> as was the cd burning one
[12:04] <mdke> we can definitely get some ideas going on the doc list
[12:06] <popey> nn
[12:07] <mdke> night
[12:07] <popey> oh, and it's my last day at work tomorrow - if you see me on irc after about 3pm, /ignore me, I will likely have had one too many guinnesses
[12:07] <popey> I should setup some kind of drinking lock on my pc
[12:07] <mdke> heh, have a good one


[09:28] <mup> PR operator#717 opened: DEPATING -> DEPARTING <Created by PietroPasotti> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/717>
[18:22] <mup> Issue operator#718 opened: Improve situation around charm versioning <Created by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/718>
[18:23] <mup> PR operator#692 closed: Parse revision|version into CharmMeta <Created by rbarry82> <Closed by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/692>


[05:10] <Kilos> cremora minora
[05:14] <Kilos> hmmm no early birds today
[05:14]  * Kilos gets all the worms
[05:51] <Kilos> wbb trying to setup kppp
[06:16] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:17] <superfly> heya magespawn
[06:18] <magespawn> whats up superfly?
[06:18] <superfly> magespawn: the sky?
[06:18] <magespawn> luckily that is always up, would hate for that to fall
[06:19] <superfly> indeed, it would be quite tragic, I'd imagine
[06:19] <magespawn> i have found a use for those little foam rings in cd/dvd packs
[06:20] <superfly> oh?
[06:21] <magespawn> stick them on the bottom of things that are light but need a little padding eg portable hard drives
[06:21] <superfly> ah, awesome idea
[06:29] <magespawn> now if i can patent it i will be rich lol
[06:31] <magespawn> need to find a glue that will not disolve the ring
[06:38] <magespawn> ty superfly
[06:39] <superfly> magespawn: for what?
[06:41] <magespawn> thinking that is an awesome idea
[06:42] <superfly> well, it is.
[07:12] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:12] <Kilos> magespawn,
[07:12] <superfly> hi Kilos, welcome back
[07:15] <Kilos> ty superfly
[07:16] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:16] <Kilos> i need to get kppp working because for some strange reason sakis3g isnt working to mxit today
[07:17] <Kilos> but dunno if it can find the modem if sakis3g is connected
[07:19] <Kilos> superfly, how do i give this file back to root
[07:19] <Kilos> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-miles" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[07:20] <Kilos> i dunno why its mine
[07:21] <Kilos> hi zeref
[07:21] <Kilos> the hummer
[07:21] <magespawn> Kilos wait for confirmation but can you not chown it to root?
[07:22] <Kilos> oh maybe with root:root
[07:22] <Kilos> instead of miles:miles
[07:22] <Kilos> does that work
[07:22] <Kilos> hehe
[07:23] <Kilos> i think sakis3g steals the temp folder
[07:23] <magespawn> not sure
[07:23] <Kilos> but
[07:23] <Kilos> it seems to be a common prob
[07:24] <Kilos> http://www.codecoffee.com/tipsforlinux/articles/14.html
[07:25] <Kilos> last paragraph shows it
[07:25] <Kilos> but not the noob way to fix it
[07:25] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[07:26] <zeref> hi Kilos
[07:28] <Kilos> if sakis stole it with the chmod command then if i change it sakis wont work
[07:30] <not_found> morning Kilos , superfly , magespawn
[07:31] <magespawn> hey  not_found
[07:31] <magespawn> why does  it need to do that
[07:31] <magespawn> ?
[07:32] <magespawn> if it does i think you can add it to a group that will give it ownership of that
[07:33] <Kilos> hi not_found
[07:34] <Kilos> its part of the setup commands magespawn
[07:34] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1580427
[07:34] <Kilos> i think thats the right link
[07:41] <Kilos> if 12.04 could enable mobile broadband like 10.10 then one wouldnt need to go kppp or sakis3g
[07:42] <magespawn> mmm will have to read up on it
[07:43] <Kilos> if i try edit 8ta in nm that i used with cell yesterday it gives this error message
[07:43] <Kilos> No agents were available for this request.
[07:44] <Kilos> it doesnt even see theres a working modem there
[07:44] <Kilos> grrr
[07:48] <magespawn> bbl
[07:48] <magespawn> work
[07:48] <magespawn>  /away work
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:48] <Vince-0> Morn Mourn
[07:48] <Kilos> work is good
[07:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[07:49] <Vince-0> what's hip and happening hiphopapotamus
[07:53] <Kilos> hehe
[08:01] <superfly> Kilos: that's a file created by KDE for you, it should not be owned by root, otherwise you'll get lots of issues in KDE
[08:01] <Kilos> eish
[08:02] <Kilos> i thought i had done something wrong again
[08:02] <superfly> Kilos: can you open Konsole and run "tail /var/log/syslog" and then unplug your modem, plug it in again, and then pastebin the logs please?
[08:02] <superfly> WITHOUT sakis3g
[08:03] <Kilos> ok
[08:28] <Kilos> now sakis cant come on so using cellphone
[08:28] <Kilos> superfly,  http://slexy.org/view/s21pezkMtr
[08:29] <Kilos> did the command before and after unplugin modem
[08:29] <Kilos> bottom is after replugin
[08:30] <Kilos> is it switching to or from storage?
[08:32] <Kilos> the first time it went back to prompt
[08:38] <superfly> Kilos: try /dev/ttyUSB1 and /dev/ttyUSB2
[08:38] <Kilos> with kppp superfly ?
[08:39] <superfly> yes
[08:39] <Kilos> what do they mean with init strings
[08:40] <Kilos> i go try again wbb
[09:36] <Kilos> sigh superfly
[09:36] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2Uy6DMWbt
[09:36] <Kilos> what do you enter as modem name also
[09:36] <superfly> Kilos: don't use sudo when running KPPP
[09:37] <Kilos> when i tell it connect it says modem busy
[09:37] <superfly> just run it from your menu
[09:37] <Kilos> it wont run without sudo
[09:37] <Kilos> oh not konsole
[09:38] <Kilos> ok lemme try that
[09:51] <Kilos>  Configuration file "/home/miles/.kde/share/config/kppprc" not writable.
[09:51] <Kilos> Please contact your system administrator.
[09:52] <Kilos> kppp can not create or read from
[09:52] <Kilos> /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid.
[09:52] <Kilos> superfly, ^^
[09:52] <superfly> Kilos: yes, because you've been running KPPP as root!
[09:53] <Kilos> i ran it from that xthing
[09:53] <superfly> Kilos: sudo chown miles:miles /home/miles/.kde/share/config/kppprc
[09:53] <Kilos> menu
[09:53] <superfly> Kilos: yes, which is how you're supposed to. but before that you were running it as root, so now you've made the config file owned by root
[09:54] <Kilos> ah
[09:54] <Kilos> superfly, what do you type in as modem name
[09:55] <Kilos> anyone you like like koos?
[09:55] <superfly> the name? anything...
[09:55] <Kilos> ty i go try
[09:55] <Kilos> wbb
[09:55] <superfly> I normally name it after the model model
[09:55] <Kilos> ok
[09:55] <Kilos> ty
[10:00] <superfly> kilos-: any success?
[10:00] <kilos-> nope same messages
[10:00] <superfly> did you run that command I sent you?
[10:00] <kilos-> chown didnt work
[10:00] <kilos-> yip
[10:01] <superfly> kilos-: with the "sudo" in front of it?
[10:01] <kilos-> yip
[10:01] <superfly> did that have any error messages?
[10:01] <kilos-> no straight to prompt
[10:02] <superfly> OK, try chmod 644 /home/miles/.kde/share/config/kppprc
[10:03] <kilos-> done
[10:03] <superfly> no errors?>
[10:03] <kilos-> will go off sakis and try kppp again
[10:03] <kilos-> none
[10:04] <superfly> kilos-: try this... sudo adduser miles dialout
[10:07] <kilos> nope
[10:07] <kilos> actually i tried to get into /var/cache/apt/archives/ yesterday and it all belongs to root
[10:09] <Kilos> must i chown my whole /miles/ directory
[10:10] <Kilos> or use the -R thingie in chown
[10:10] <Kilos> switch is it?
[10:36] <superfly> Kilos: no
[10:36] <superfly> remember the last time you used -R ?
[10:36] <Kilos> ya
[10:37] <Kilos> hehe
[10:37] <Kilos> shame gave poor tumbles half a days work
[10:37] <superfly> Kilos: and besides, /var/cache/apt/archives *will* and *should* be owned by rott
[10:37] <superfly> *root
[10:38] <Kilos> this kubuntu has an over aggresive root
[10:38] <superfly> Kilos: not at all
[10:38] <Kilos> oh my
[10:38] <superfly> Kilos: you run sudo FAR too often
[10:38] <Kilos> i cant even go there and install a package from there
[10:39] <Kilos> well if chown and chmod cant take over them kppp files then i got probs
[10:41] <superfly> Kilos: are you getting the same error about reading the KPP file?
[10:42] <Kilos> yip
[10:42] <Kilos> no change after chmod either superfly
[10:43] <superfly> Kilos: so it still says, "Configuration file "/home/miles/.kde/share/config/kppprc" not writable." ?
[10:43] <Kilos> ya
[10:43] <superfly> Kilos: you sure? are you sure it's not another file with a similar name?
[10:44] <Kilos> when i tried kppp pc even hung
[10:44] <Kilos> did a reboot
[10:44] <Kilos> lemme try again
[10:48] <kilos-> superfly,  kppp can not create or read from
[10:48] <kilos-> /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid
[10:48] <kilos-> must i same chmod that one
[10:49] <superfly> chown it
[10:49] <superfly> sudo chown miles:miles /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid
[10:50] <kilos-> ok back to prompt
[10:51] <kilos-> i go try kppp again
[10:51] <superfly> yes
[10:52] <inetpro> ai
[10:53]  * inetpro dying in the heat of Pretoria
[10:55] <kilos> ai
[10:55] <kilos> kppp can not create or read from
[10:55] <kilos> /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kppp/kppp.pid.
[10:55] <kilos> chown dont work
[16:46]  * Kilos relaxes on maverick for a while
[16:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:46]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[16:48] <superfly> Kilos: sudo chown -R miles:miles /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kppp
[16:49] <Kilos> ok will go back to kubuntu first ty superfly
[16:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:51] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:51] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:41] <Kilos> superfly, im gonna do another clean install. this pc very sick
[17:41] <Kilos> wouldnt boot past bios
[17:41] <Kilos> took battery out disconnected maverick then it booted
[17:42] <Kilos> now  with kppp from launcher it says cant find kppp executable
[17:43] <Kilos> and pidgin mxit doesnt work anymore
[17:43] <Kilos> only xmpp
[17:44] <Kilos> maybe i didnt make a good usb startup disk to install with
[17:45] <Kilos> and the iso is 1 meg to big for a cd
[17:45] <Kilos> or 11m i forget now
[17:49] <Kilos> what about modprobing the 3g modem?
[17:56] <superfly> Kilos: first see if the USB modem comes up by itself
[17:57] <Kilos> with sakis disconnected superfly ?
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: don't even download sakis
[17:58] <Kilos> oh you mean after clean install?
[17:58] <Kilos> ok can i connect via cellphone
[17:58] <Kilos> need some connection  to get updated superfly
[17:59] <superfly> Kilos: after a clean install, run "tail -f /var/log/syslog" (the -f is very important) to see what happens when you plug your modem in. Then look for those "/dev/ttyUSB1" devices to appear
[18:00] <Kilos> ok will use other pc to come online with
[18:00] <Kilos> ty
[18:04] <Kilos> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?60199-Missing-usbserial-module-prevents-Franklin-U600-Wimax-modem-from-working
[18:05] <Kilos> will be back after install
[18:59] <magespawn> evening
[19:02] <superfly> hi magespawn
[19:06] <superfly> hi Kilos, what happened?
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[19:06] <Kilos> it saw the modem even before tail was run
[19:07] <superfly> great
[19:07] <Kilos> yoy tell me what happened superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> hehe
[19:07] <magespawn> hey superfly
[19:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[19:07] <magespawn> cool a solution?
[19:07] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:07] <Kilos> i got tail though, it shows uid errors
[19:07] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2pEJG2YhD
[19:08] <Kilos> yeah nm works this time
[19:08] <Kilos> yoooooohoooooo
[19:08] <superfly> awesome!
[19:08] <Kilos> now one of you tell me that every install is the same
[19:08] <magespawn> every install is the same
[19:08] <Kilos> im so happy
[19:08] <magespawn> is that okay?
[19:08] <Kilos> ty for the patience superfly
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: that's just noise, don't worry about it
[19:09] <Kilos> rofl
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: You're welcome
[19:09] <magespawn> but what was the problem?
[19:09] <Kilos> ??
[19:09] <Kilos> other 10 installs it didnt see the modem
[19:10] <magespawn> yes but why?
[19:10] <magespawn>  only 10 installs? you slowing down
[19:10] <Kilos> ive already rsynced archives and update upgraded
[19:10] <Kilos> fastest install ever here
[19:10] <Kilos> 15 mins to first reboot
[19:11] <Kilos> magespawn: i have no idea why, its beyond my reasoning
[19:12] <Kilos> do you see me as using quassel
[19:12] <Kilos> still gotta sort them things but first gonna reboot
[19:13] <Kilos> hold thumbs
[19:13] <Kilos> toods for now
[19:18] <Kilos> hahaha no sound
[19:18] <Kilos> lemme try onboard socket
[19:27] <Kilos> so lekker when you aptitude install and it says need to get 0kB
[19:27] <Kilos> lol
[19:28] <Kilos> whole clean install cost 19m
[19:28] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[19:29] <Kilos> hey not_foundyou winning
[19:35] <bakuman> so... is it possible to let dhcp give ip's secuancially?
[19:35] <bakuman> *sequentially
[19:37] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. i go sleep without worrying about nm for a change
[19:37] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[19:46] <magespawn> bakuman i have never tried
[19:47] <magespawn> i have assigned them to mac address though
[19:48] <magespawn> and that way sequentially
[19:50] <bakuman> yea, but not exaclty what I am looking for :d
[19:50] <magespawn> also i have never setup dhcp from a computer always from a router
[19:51] <magespawn> maybe inetpro or Symmetria  would know
[19:51] <bakuman> im busy on my tp-link. flashed it with openWRT
[19:51] <magespawn> and?
[19:52] <bakuman> that is where the dhcp server is, not pc
[19:52] <magespawn> have not tried that yet
[19:54] <bakuman> but thanks anyway :D
[19:55]  * bakuman continues watching Babylon 5
[19:55] <magespawn> cheers all bedtime
[19:57] <bakuman> cheers
[21:08] <smistry> Hi Guys, quick one, where can I get Ubuntu Stickers
[21:24]  * Symmetria installs an esxi server
[21:24] <Symmetria> heh had a spare box with 8gigs of ram in it and a quad-core i5 cpu, and since esxi is free, worth installing that on it


[00:25] <nekro_> suspend/resume doesn't seem to work on a dell xps studio I own. Is this a question for the kernel team?
[00:46] <mpontillo> ppc build of epiphany-browser failed - is this something I need to worry about? how do I tell if it was already broken? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26413384/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.epiphany-browser_2.26.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:24] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: good morning
[02:25] <rickspencer3> just saying "hi" before I log off!
[02:26] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3-afk: :)
[06:48] <ubunoob> hello
[06:48] <ubunoob> anyone awake?
[06:48] <ubunoob> i have a jaunty question.... anyone?
[07:04] <pitti> Good morning
[07:26] <asac> hi
[07:49] <robert_ancell> pitti: are autoconf patches only required if a package fails to build?
[07:50] <pitti> robert_ancell: no, they are only required if a patch in debian/ubuntu changes any Makefile.am or configure.ac
[07:50] <pitti> usually upstream's autoconfiscation should work
[07:50] <pitti> (if we don't patch the build system)
[07:51] <robert_ancell> cool, I can get rid of the autoconf patch for gnome-games then
[07:53] <robert_ancell> pitti: ps, seb128 wanted me to SRU the totem changes (I do too).  Ask him about it when he comes online.  I'll be making 2.27 packages for totem tomorrow for Karmic
[07:54] <robert_ancell> does anyone know what the state of clutter is in Ubuntu?  Gnometris now requires clutter - do we no longer support it?
[08:11] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti :)
[08:11] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell
[08:12] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:12] <didrocks> robert_ancell: last time, I didn't build gnome-games with clutter. We discussed about that some monthes ago with seb128 as it was not required and not everybody have a decent driver to handle clutter
[08:13] <didrocks> but yes, I saw that now it becomes a mandatory for gnometris
[08:13] <robert_ancell> didrocks: can gnome-games have a build-depends on gnometris?  Can we split gnometris into a separate package?
[08:15] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I think it's possible to split it into a separate package, with two configures option (I don't rememeber if --enable-cluter is processed for everygames). Maybe patch the configure.in and split the package is a good idea. It's better to discuss that with seb128, I think :)
[08:15] <didrocks> robert_ancell: did you have ever tried to run something based on clutter without 3D acceleration?
[08:16] <didrocks> what's the result?
[08:16] <robert_ancell> sure.  I'm building currently with --enable-omitgames=gnometris
[08:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: okay; please request an SRU on the actual bugs then
[08:16] <didrocks> that can be useful :)
[08:16] <robert_ancell> I don't know about clutter.  I developed glChess without hardware support and it runs ok
[08:17] <didrocks> ok, I think with gnome-shell this question about clutter will become more and more important in a very near futur
[08:17] <didrocks> maybe it worths a discussion at UDS
[08:41] <pochu> didrocks: there's a session for GNOME 3, you can raise it there :-)
[08:46] <didrocks> pochu: great. I will :)
[08:46] <pochu> I hope the session lasts two hours ;)
[08:48] <didrocks> pochu: yes, there is a lot of stuff to decide on it :)
[08:48] <didrocks> pochu: do you come at UDS too?
[08:49] <pochu> yup :)
[08:53] <crevette> hello
[08:53] <didrocks> lut crevette
[08:54] <crevette> salut didrocks
[09:00] <robert_ancell> see you guys tomorrow
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> anyone here has any interest in hal?
[09:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson: hey, pitti has I would say, why?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> i wrote a patch to fix a crasher and proposed a merge in to the ubuntu-core-dev branch, but I didn't select a reviewer and i don't think anyone was notified of the merge request. i was looking for someone to review the patch:)
[09:26] <seb128> I don't think that feature works fine, still much better to have a bug and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[09:26] <seb128> so it's listed on the sponsoring page and people don't forget about it
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i might do that. is that still correct even though there isn't technically anything to sponsor (it's all just in bzr at the moment - I haven't attached a patch to the bug report)
[09:27] <seb128> you can add the bzr to the bug
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> i've done that. i'll subscribe u-m-s too. thanks
[09:28] <seb128> you're welcome
[09:36] <slomo> seb128: hi :) you want to sync gstreamer0.10, gst-plugins-base0.10 <IP_ADDRESS>-1 and gst0.10-python <IP_ADDRESS>-1 from debian/experimental :)
[09:37] <seb128> slomo: hello, ok thanks
[09:41] <seb128> mvo: there?
[09:43] <mvo> seb128: yes
[09:43] <seb128> mvo: update-manager -d doesn't do anything useful on jaunty
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: I wonder if its because of the proxy in the office
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: what does your .update-manager-core/meta-release-development file look like? is this a jaunty system? or karmic already?
[09:46] <seb128> it's jaunty
[09:47] <seb128> mvo: karmic is listed
[09:47] <seb128> mvo: it's a jaunty stock install in kvm updated to current versions
[09:48] <seb128> ie upgrades applied
[09:49] <mvo> seb128: let me check here on a fresh jaunty install
[09:49] <seb128> mvo: don't bother, I just edit the sources.list and update the classic dist-upgrade way
[09:50] <mvo> seb128: please wait a minute
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[09:51] <mvo> seb128: can you please run: "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 update-manager -d" and pastebin me the output? (I hope there is some :)
[09:53] <seb128> mvo: current dist name: 'jaunty'
[09:53] <seb128> and nothing after that?
[09:53] <mvo> seb128: that is all?
[09:53] <seb128> no but it's in kvm and I can select and copy there easily
[09:53] <seb128> anything specific you want to know?
[09:53] <seb128> usedevel= true
[09:53] <seb128> -development
[09:53] <seb128> .download()
[09:53] <mvo> seb128: could you open a browser in kvm and just copy-paste to a pastebin there?
[09:54] <seb128> .parse()
[09:54] <mvo> seb128: or is net not working in it?
[09:55] <seb128> mvo: 165967
[09:56] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I check it out now
[09:56] <seb128> mvo: that the pastebin.ubuntu.com number
[09:58] <mvo> thanks seb128
[09:58] <seb128> mvo: it's working for you?
[09:59] <mvo> seb128: I'm looking for a stock image currently :)
[10:00] <mvo> seb128: could you please try now?
[10:01] <seb128> mvo: working now
[10:01] <seb128> mvo: so it was a bug on the server side?
[10:05] <seb128> slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22961501/gst0.10-python_0.10.14-1_0.10.14-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, gst-python has those changes not sure if they would make sense for debian
[10:09] <mvo> seb128: on my side, but fortunately I can work around it on the server. many thanks!
[10:09] <seb128> mvo: thank you for the quick fixing as usual
[10:10] <mvo> seb128: thank you for finding all my bugs :)
[10:11] <seb128> mvo: it's complaining about some packages.bz2 checksum not being correct
[10:11] <mvo> *sigh*
[10:11] <mvo> that will be a proxy issues, I'm sure
[10:11] <seb128> I guess that's a server issue and not your issue
[10:11] <slomo> seb128: hm, probably makes sense for debian too
[10:12] <slomo> seb128: i'll include that change and upload a new version now
[10:12] <mvo> I need to talk to elmo about this at some point to figure out what we can do about it to make them in sync again
[10:12] <seb128> mvo: since when are we using .bz2 and not .gz?
[10:12] <seb128> slomo: thanks!
[10:12]  * mvo waves to slomo
[10:12] <mvo> seb128: some time, a couple of releases. we still fallback to .gz if e.g. bzip2 is not installed
[10:12] <mvo> (or not availalbe on the server)
[10:13] <slomo> hi mvo :)
[10:17] <seb128> mvo: ok, so nothing I can do to kick the proxy there?
[10:18] <mvo> seb128: you can try "sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=1" with the karmic sources.list, that should give it a kick
[10:19] <mvo> seb128: e.g. when the error screen is there (when the error screen is there you need toappend -o Debug::NoLocking=true" as well)
[10:19] <mvo> seb128: while the error screen is there the sources.list is rewriten so that should be fine
[10:22] <seb128> mvo: no luck, same error
[10:22] <seb128> sum mismatch error
[10:27] <seb128> ok, no karmic for me apparently then
[10:35] <seb128> mvo: ok, it's working now
[10:43] <mvo> seb128: so the run after the apt-get update with u-m did succeed?
[10:43] <seb128> no
[10:44] <seb128> the apt-get calls failed the same way
[10:44] <seb128> but it autofixed after a while
[10:44] <seb128> that was either a server or proxy issue
[10:45] <mvo> k
[10:47] <seb128> I blame it on the office I have only such issues when I'm there
[11:03] <pitti> hm, I did a dist-upgrade this morning, worked fine
[11:06] <seb128> pitti: it's working fine now for me too
[13:24] <seb128> pitti: do you copy proposed uploads to karmic or only -updates ones?
[14:32] <pitti> seb128: I usually do it when I copy to -updates, why?
[14:33] <seb128> pitti: because I had karmic issues and that's because I upgraded from jaunty with proposed used to karmic
[14:33] <seb128> and I had binaries newer than the karmic version
[14:34] <seb128> I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to copy directly the binaries, so they could get extra testing on karmic too
[14:34] <seb128> and that would have that versions mismatch issues after upgrade
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: right, it's just a matter of checking when they are built
[14:35] <seb128> ah right
[15:00] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:01] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[15:05] <kenvandine_wk> hey rickspencer3
[15:06] <seb128> waouh, pitti on g1 and ubuntu?
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: nah, just on G1 and android :)
[15:06] <seb128> ah ok
[15:06] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[15:07]  * pitti_g1 waves from phone
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: what do you use for irc on the G1?  the app i have is crashy
[15:07] <seb128> I'm less impressed then ;-)
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> fIRC
[15:07] <pitti_g1> ken
[15:07] <pitti_g1> fIRC, yes
[15:07] <pitti_g1> works fine here
[15:08] <Bassoon> Question: I have an ATI Radeon 3100 card in my laptop .. when i turn on DEsktop effects ... Things like Google earth and Secondlife go crazy. Kinda flicker ... I have seen this on some of the post .. but can it be worked around ...Sorry .. im a newbie ... and it's ubuntu 9.04 with the hardware drives installed .. from .. "hardware driver"  under system
[15:08] <kenvandine_wk> mine disconnects frequently... and requires a restart to connect again
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I haven't used it for so lnog
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I just got the android 1.5 update yesterday, and a lot of apps stopped working
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: so I was testing what still works
[15:08] <kenvandine_wk> oh!
[15:09] <pitti> fortunately, ICQ, IRC, and ssh still work
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> i haven't gotten 1.5
[15:09] <pitti> but gps status and fastbright are broken now :/
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> ok... so not a good update :/
[15:09] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: oh, it's nice
[15:09] <pitti> just some third-party apps need to catch up, I guess
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> ah
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> any improvements to the camera?
[15:09] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: yes, it's much faster
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> i read something in the release notes about that
[15:09] <pitti> and there's a camcorder now, too
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> good!
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> woot
[15:10] <pitti> and google talk, and some other new stuff
[15:10] <pitti> some cleaner menus, and a lot of little new features
[15:10]  * calc thinks he may wait for the samsung 7500 android phone
[15:10] <kenvandine_wk> calc: i really like the G1 hardware
[15:10] <calc> it should be out a few months once i finally get off my current contract :\
[15:10]  * kenvandine_wk wonders when he will get the goodness of 1.5
[15:11] <calc> kenvandine_wk: in the US next week i hear
[15:11] <kenvandine_wk> cool
[15:12] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: did you see that labyrinth program?
[15:12] <kenvandine_wk> nope
[15:12] <pitti> I wasn't aware before that the G1 had so precise position sensors
[15:12] <pitti> and of course the metal detector is just awesome, in a "hilarious" kind of way :)
[15:13] <crevette> pitti, how much cost this G1 ? (/me tires to resist to a gizmo addiction)
[15:13] <pitti> crevette: with my contract, 1 EUR
[15:13] <pitti> without a contract, it's $399, I think
[15:13] <crevette> nice
[15:13] <pitti> but of course I have to pay 40 EUR/month for the phone and 3G/EDGE/telephony flatrate
[15:14] <calc> iirc its ~ $150 in the US on contract
[15:14] <pitti> but *shrug*, it's such a nice toy
[15:14] <kenvandine_wk> calc: 179
[15:14] <calc> pitti: :-P so cheap in germany
[15:14] <pitti> calc: the monthly fee has the subsidy
[15:14] <calc> pitti: flatrate in the US is very expensive
[15:14] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: my wife just got a blackberry... i hate it
[15:14] <pitti> calc: well, FSVO "flat"
[15:14] <calc> pitti: iirc in the US that would $179 for the phone and another $100+ per month for flatrate
[15:15] <pitti> they throttle you to some ridiculously slow bandwidth once you surpass 2 GB a month or something such
[15:15] <pitti> calc: (!)
[15:15]  * kenvandine_wk installs labyrinth lite
[15:15] <pitti> but most of the time, I'm not downloading huge stuff
[15:15] <kenvandine_wk> calc: not that bad
[15:15] <calc> pitti: ah, i think the US flatrate throttle is usually ~ 5GB/mo
[15:15] <pitti> I just want to get mail, calendar updates, icq, stuff like that
[15:15] <kenvandine_wk> my plan is just $54.99 total
[15:16] <pitti> most of the time I don't even use 3G
[15:16] <pitti> even andnav and google maps are fast enough with EDGE
[15:16] <kenvandine_wk> and now with my wife's blackberry with a data plan... it is still less than we payed for our old fashioned phones
[15:16] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[15:17] <kenvandine_wk> oh this is an awesome game!
[15:18] <calc> kenvandine_wk: well at least in houston the tmobile unlimited plan is $100/mo
[15:18] <calc> then another $25/mo for unlimited web on top of that
[15:19] <calc> $100/mo is apparently just for phone service
[15:19] <calc> oh nm the web service appears to be included for $100/mo it shows up as an addon but is not selectable
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> calc: weird...
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> my unlimited web is just 24.99
[15:21] <calc> anyone know if building against cups is generally broken atm?
[15:21] <calc> it seems OOo is failing against it
[15:21] <calc> kenvandine_wk: well apparently its either a $25 add on or free in some packages such as the $100 unlimited plan
[15:22] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I wish there was neverball for the G1
[15:23] <pitti> calc: "against cups"?
[15:23] <calc> kenvandine_wk: actually it seems its not included it just forces you to autoadd it so unlimited phone and web is $125/mo
[15:23] <pitti> calc: a lot of packages currently fail because linux-libc-dev stopped shipping asm/*
[15:23] <calc> kenvandine_wk: once i got to checkout it showed that as the monthly rate
[15:23] <calc> pitti: ah maybe that is it
[15:23] <kenvandine_wk> calc: i just have a cheap plan... i don't actually call much :)
[15:23] <calc> pitti: it claims it can't find cpus in configure
[15:23] <kenvandine_wk> 300 minutes is plenty for me
[15:24] <calc> kenvandine_wk: i don't think i use that much either, just comparing the 40E plan to US which is $125 for equivalent service it seems
[15:24] <calc> kenvandine_wk: not too surprising considering broadband is similarly overpriced in the US as well
[15:25] <pitti> calc: what do you guys pay for a DSL line?
[15:25] <calc> pitti: i pay ~ $40/mo for 3mbps which is the best they even offer me
[15:25]  * pitti pays 38 EUR/month for DSL 6000 flat and landline flat
[15:25] <pitti> calc: that's pretty cheap, though
[15:25] <calc> that is just for the dsl though not phone service
[15:25] <calc> full phone service on top of that would probably add another $25 or so
[15:26] <pitti> oh, 3 MBit, nevermind; I misread it
[15:26] <crevette> In France we have fre.fr, whic propose 19,9 € for triple play
[15:26] <calc> i just voip
[15:26] <crevette> free.fr
[15:26] <crevette> 29,9
[15:26] <pitti> crevette: pretty comparable then
[15:26]  * pace_t_zulu feels like a sucker... Comcast is ricidulous
[15:27] <calc> pitti: they offer much better service than i get about 800 ft closer to their office, heh
[15:27] <crevette> we have, fuill internet, TV and Phone
[15:27] <seb128> crevette: not only free
[15:27] <seb128> crevette: neuf does the same for example
[15:27] <crevette> they did a revolution because when free came all other ISP were obliged to lower they price et up their services
[15:28] <crevette> seb128, because free put TNT on the market
[15:28] <crevette> :)
[15:28] <seb128> ?
[15:28] <crevette> seb128, I hope they'll have their 3G licence
[15:29] <seb128> the tnt is not a free thing
[15:29] <asac> 3G license?
[15:29] <calc> the US is just a bunch of localized monopolies so there really isn't any competition for pricing/service
[15:29] <crevette> seb128, I was meaning they did changed all the rules
[15:29] <seb128> asac: there is only 3 operators which are authorized to do 3G right now
[15:29] <seb128> asac: they want to open an extra spot
[15:29] <dobey> calc: not really.
[15:29] <calc> pitti: any estimate for when the header issue will be resolved wrt asm/* ?
[15:29] <dobey> calc: there's really only Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, and T-mo
[15:29] <seb128> crevette: still they have nothing to do with the numeric TV or TNT
[15:30] <calc> dobey: for local service?
[15:30] <crevette> seb128, forget about I said
[15:30] <dobey> calc: all the little mini local providers buy bandwidth from one of those 4
[15:30] <dobey> calc: mostly from verizon and sprint
[15:30] <calc> dobey: yea you can get the one of those that is in the area you are served by
[15:30] <seb128> crevette: ok ;-)
[15:30] <dobey> because they're mostlay all cdma services
[15:30] <pitti> calc: no idea; rtg ack'ed the bug and set it to "in progress", so I hope by tomorrow
[15:30] <asac> seb128: ah. so they want to buy the right to use a frequency ;)
[15:30] <calc> dobey: CLECs never really took off well due to the laws changing that helped them out
[15:30] <seb128> asac: yes
[15:30] <crevette> asac, and the business model of this ISP is quite different from the others
[15:31] <calc> dobey: and any particular area only has one ILEC and usually a cable company, so you have your choice between say ATT and Time-Warner
[15:31] <asac> crevette: how?
[15:31] <crevette> so we can expect to have lower price for data plan et cellular communications
[15:31] <calc> dobey: so not really any true competition in any real sense
[15:31] <asac> no money?
[15:31] <asac> ;)
[15:31] <dobey> calc: oh, i thought you were talking about cellular
[15:32] <calc> dobey: ah yea cellular is different in that there are at least 3 national providers and tons of little regional ones
[15:32] <dobey> calc: right, for hardline there's really only time warner and verizon, or whatever your local telco monopoly is for dsl
[15:32] <crevette> asac, they develop themself a lot of thing (like the set top box which run Linux) and rely a lot on OSS (so they have a lot of support from FOSS people)
[15:32] <asac> cool
[15:33] <calc> dobey: yea verizon is only in some areas of the US for landline, here for example my only choice is att for landline and comcast for cable
[15:33] <crevette> asac, and tehy don't try to have hight money return, but develop a lot of additionnal services
[15:33] <calc> pitti: ok
[15:34] <dobey> calc: well the cable providers all do phone now too
[15:34] <calc> pitti: that should be fine for me, just trying to fix the dumb OOo build errors and got really confused until you mentioned the header issue :)
[15:34] <dobey> calc: i was confused because i saw t-mobile unlimited plan being mentioned :)
[15:34] <pochu> crevette: I want free.es! :)
[15:35] <calc> dobey: yea, still my option for broadband here is only 3mbps from att or 6mbps from comcast (probably with caps, but not sure)
[15:35] <crevette> asac, I meant they down have high return per people, but as the same time they have a high market, free.fr earn a lot of money
[15:35] <calc> dobey: other places that have healthy competition and no legalized monopolies have much better rates available even for the same population density
[15:36] <dobey> calc: where is 'here'?
[15:36] <calc> dobey: houston
[15:36] <crevette> if you understand french an interview from the CEO worth the read
[15:36] <crevette> pochu, ask them :)
[15:36] <dobey> and you can only get 6mbit?
[15:36] <calc> dobey: ~ 5-7Mil people in the city here aiui but still no real broadband availability
[15:36] <calc> dobey: yea it sucks
[15:37] <crevette> asac, he wants to divide by ten the price of cellular communication
[15:37] <calc> dobey: some areas can get up to 18mbps but only where the monopolies feel like sticking it
[15:37] <calc> dobey: and from what i can gather it is very limited areas
[15:37] <dobey> calc: i have 20Mbps/3Mbps here (VA)
[15:37] <crevette> asac, so current cellular vendors are affraid to see free having the new licence
[15:37] <dobey> and that's only $50/mo
[15:38] <dobey> +~$10/mo for streaming netflix (whoot)
[15:38] <calc> dobey: :P
[15:39] <calc> dobey: that would be nice for OOo uploads :)
[15:39] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: who is your provider?
[15:41] <asac> 24Mbps/2Mbps is 23 EUR here :-P
[15:41] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: cox
[15:41] <asac> but i have to admit that i am too lazy and haven't moved my connection there (bad mistake i figure)
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: damn... i sooooo hate time warner
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: i didn't know cox was in this area... you aren't that far from me :)
[15:43] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: yeah. i don't know if you can get it or not
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> my uplink sucks... really sucks
[15:43] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: i would have gotten verizon FiOS had it been available...
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: i am waiting for that :)
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> not holding  my breathe though
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> there is a rumor it will be this year
[15:44] <dobey> yeah, some places in the area have it, just not the one i'm at apparently
[15:44] <dobey> hopefully i'll be able to get it when i buy a house
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> my uplink used to be pretty good with TWC... but over the years it has gone down
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> uploading 3.4G of data with u1 really hurt :)
[15:50] <crevette> when the public beta will be available (/me would like to confirm by itself what U1 is)
[15:50] <crevette> :)
[15:57] <artir> U1 is teh secret canonical stuff
[15:57] <artir> ...
[15:57] <artir> xd
[15:58] <artir> if they tould you, they would have to kill you before and after
[15:58] <artir> is a online platform to allow developers to create applications that uses canonical servers to sync info. Is like MobileMe, but open and with custom applications
[15:59]  * artir runs away!
[15:59] <Amaranth> Please not like MobileMe
[15:59] <artir> why not?
[16:00] <artir> because it's uber expensive, closed and doesn't wor with linux?
[16:00] <Amaranth> Because MobileMe is like #2 on the reasons people call me
[16:00] <Amaranth> It's confusing, buggy, and makes people accidentally delete all their contacts
[16:00] <artir> XD
[16:01] <artir> lets's say that is what apple wanted mobile me to be
[16:02] <artir> i made a thread on the forums with all the info you may want
[16:22] <pmatulis> for lockdown purposes, how does one remove the 'Edit Menus' option in the Panel?
[16:27] <awe> pitti: ping
[16:28] <pitti> hey awe, good morning
[16:31] <awe> pitti, good afternoon to you
[16:31] <awe> pitti: just wondering who our resident exiga expert is
[16:31] <awe> pitti: been working on getting it setup this morning so i can chat with asac
[16:31] <awe> pitti: the wiki instructions are a bit outdated
[16:32] <awe> looks like settings changed a bit in jaunty
[16:32] <pitti> awe: I followed the wiki instructions about a month ago, and they still worked
[16:33] <pitti> awe: your canonical account doesn't work?
[16:33] <awe> well, that was part of the problem.  had to get is do a reset.
[16:34] <awe> nah, what i was asking about was the setting to turn off NAT traversal/STUN
[16:34] <pitti> awe: ah, just ignore that
[16:34] <pitti> it Just Works (TM)
[16:34] <pitti> you just need user/password/host
[16:34] <awe> it seems to be gone now...  ( OK, I'll add a note in the Wiki re: the new version / jaunty )
[16:34] <awe> thanx!
[16:35] <pitti> awe: works?
[16:35] <awe> do you know the song "mother"?  if not, you should learn it for the canonjam
[16:35] <pitti> awe: from which band is that?
[16:35]  * pitti knows one from John Lennon
[16:36] <awe> pitti: floyd... on the wall.  cool acoustic guitars
[16:36] <awe> mother do you think they'll drop the bomb
[16:36] <pitti> aah, that one
[16:37] <pitti> awe: I would like to sing, but I'm afraid I won't be able to learn guitar for that one by Barcelona
[16:37]  * pitti should do some practicing again
[16:37] <asac> awe: so you are connected now ;)?
[16:37] <awe> asac: close, but no cigar ( another floyd song )
[17:48]  * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises
[17:48] <rickspencer3> everyone on the desktop team, please note that peer review is due tomorrow!
[17:49] <rickspencer3> I see that not everyone has rated their manager either
[17:49] <rickspencer3> asac: Riddell: calc: ^^^^
[17:49] <rickspencer3> a gentle reminder ;)
[17:50] <Riddell> hmm?
[17:50] <Riddell> I don't think I saw anything about rating manager
[17:52] <rickspencer3> Riddell: it gets sent autmotically, but i can "resend" I think
[17:52] <rickspencer3> hmm
[17:53] <rickspencer3> looks like I can revoke the invitation too
[17:53]  * rickspencer3 mwuhahaha
[17:53] <Riddell> oh, it'll go into spam
[17:53] <Riddell> gmail thinks the review requests are spam
[17:53] <Riddell> rickspencer3: send it again and I'll dig it out
[17:57] <rickspencer3> Riddell: I resnt
[17:58] <rickspencer3> and Riddell, please look for teammates who have asked for feedback as well. Thanks!
[18:09] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: do i get to rate you too?
[18:12] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: I don't think so, because you missed the cutoff
[18:12] <rickspencer3> lucky for me I suppose ;)
[18:13] <pochu> can ai haz ratin? :)
[18:13] <rickspencer3> seriously, peer review is very valuable, so if it's been requested, please take it seriously
[18:14] <rickspencer3> pochu: do you think the HR tools over at icanhascheezburger are written like that?
[18:15] <pochu> HR?
[18:17] <rickspencer3> heh
[18:18] <hggdh> pochu HR == Hot Ratings , lesser known as Human Resources
[18:19] <pochu> ty
[18:19] <pochu> yeah, I hope they are :)
[18:23] <pitti> I'm off for today, friends of our's have their wedding eve today
[18:23]  * pitti waves
[18:23] <pitti> so in order to not get caught in the last 15 minutes I'll sign off now
[18:23] <kenvandine_wk> later pitti!
[18:36] <bryce_> heya rickspencer3, did you need me?
[22:03] <calc> rickspencer3: ping
[22:04] <rickspencer3> hi calc, 'sup?
[22:05] <calc> rickspencer3: OOo 3.1.0 should be built as soon as the findutils bug is fixed :)
[22:05] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[22:06] <calc> there is another bug but it might somehow be related to the findutils issue, i can't work on that issue though until findutils works, heh
[22:07] <calc> i had three different failure classes, cups headers didn't work due to findutils/linux-libc-dev issue, some sort of weird gcj issue (which may still need investigation), and a libltdl arch mismatch :)
[22:08] <calc> so it looks like barring the gcj issue that my upload went relatively smoothly from my side anyway :)
[22:08] <calc> and the final version of 3.1.0 is out now so as soon as i can get to debug the gcj issue i can upload it