[05:31] <babinlonston> using ubuntu 12.04 settingup a apache with ssl and facing error  , error.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/6298975/
[05:35] <jkitchen> babinlonston: looks to me like one of your key files has more than one key in it.
[05:35] <babinlonston> oh ok let me check
[05:35] <sarnold> babinlonston: check for multiple SSLCertificateFile or SSLCertificateKeyFile settings?
[05:36] <babinlonston> in the virtual host file ?
[05:37] <babinlonston> this is the error getting while apache2 restart http://paste.ubuntu.com/6298995/
[05:42] <sarnold> babinlonston: are you postive that your version of apache2 supports e.g. SNI? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
[05:43] <babinlonston> sarnold:  its fixed as you both said there was 2 ssl entry
[05:43] <babinlonston> jkitchen: its fixed there was double ssl entry
[05:43] <babinlonston> thanks mates
[05:43] <sarnold> woo! :)
[05:43] <jkitchen> rawr.
[10:33] <stephenh> why does ubuntu udev rules ignore vmware network interfaces by default?   can't understand why this would be default behaviour
[10:34] <ikonia> what do you mean ignore them ?
[10:35] <stephenh> persistent udev rules aren't created for vmware NICs by default
[10:35] <stephenh> seems to be an out the box feature
[10:35] <ikonia> just to clarify do you mean interfaces persented by vmware, or using the vmware nic driver
[10:35] <stephenh> the only thing i could think of is canonical thinks there's more chance of people cloning a VM then adding two network interfaces
[10:36] <stephenh> which is bizarre
[10:36] <stephenh> either or really..
[10:36] <ikonia> I've never noticed that, what vmware platform are you running on
[10:37] <stephenh> grep -A1 VMWare /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules
[10:37] <stephenh> there is a rule there to ignore those MACs
[10:37] <stephenh> precise on esx 5.1
[10:37] <ikonia> oh, so it's actually set to ignore them by choice
[10:37] <stephenh> yeah
[10:37] <ikonia> ah, I see what you mean
[10:37] <ikonia> does seem odd
[10:38] <ikonia> unless they are catering for home users more and expeting them to mess around more
[10:38] <stephenh> it's all dandy to clone a vm, happy days, but add a second NIC and then reboot the box... in for good times :)
[10:38] <ikonia> (which is stupid)
[10:38] <stephenh> that's fair enough, but this comes from the server ISO
[10:38] <stephenh> yeah, quite bizarre.. was wondering if anyone had any insight as to why
[10:38] <ikonia> I'd be interested in knowing
[10:42] <stephenh> only thought is so people don't get confused as to why network devices don't work when cloning an existing vm... but that shouldn't trump keeping order of multiple NICs after a reboot
[12:37] <BlueBee> hey guys i am trying to set up postfix and i can't get post fix to listen on my localhost when I use telnet localhost 25. I should be seeing 220 mailtest ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) but I don't and telnet quickly says conneciton closed by foreign host
[12:37] <BlueBee> any ideas?
[12:45] <mardraum> is it running? check mail.log for errors you made in configs?
[12:48] <BlueBee> Oct 25 08:45:07 mark-server postfix/smtpd[16789]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[12:49] <BlueBee> this is the only error that I keep getting
[12:49] <mardraum> "fatal"
[12:49] <mardraum> doesn't sound good, does it?
[12:49] <mardraum> did you pinch a config from elsewhere?
[12:50] <BlueBee> haha no it doesn't sound good. no I edited my own config
[12:51] <mardraum> do a "postfix check"
[12:51] <BlueBee> I havn't heard of that how do I run it?
[12:51] <mardraum> type it into a root shell, or sudo to it.
[12:52] <mardraum> I suggest you reverse what you did to your config, and then learn and understand each thing
[12:52] <mardraum> one of them is preventing postfix from starting.
[12:52] <BlueBee> I sent it but it just executed and moved on nothing happen
[12:52] <BlueBee> ok Fill take another look over my config
[12:53] <mardraum> check the mail.log now
[12:55] <BlueBee> Fill start over with my config file. thanks for the help.
[12:55] <mardraum> "will" ?
[12:56] <BlueBee> yep I will start over.
[12:56] <mardraum> just interested how you came to type "Fill" twice when you meant "will"
[12:57] <BlueBee> hahaha I was wondering that too. f and w arn't even close. I don't know
[13:18] <BlueBee> mardraum - if your wondering its up and running. I purged postfix then installed and reconfigered main.cf. thanks again for the help
[13:27] <mardraum> cool
[13:38] <LargePrime> HEYo!
[13:38] <LargePrime> i just updated my 12.04 and i guess that did mysql to 5.5.  now things will not connect to my db.  help please.
[13:57] <maxb> LargePrime: You've not really given people enough information to try to help you. You'll need to do some more investigation and come back with things like specific symptoms and error messages if you want to enable anyone to help
[14:27] <LargePrime> it turns out the 5.5 mysql upgrade changed the file perms so that one cannot read the mysqlsockets file
[14:35] <LargePrime> you have to put them back, move the sockets file, or go to tcp
[15:35] <Underbyte> quick question: what packages does ubuntu server install if you select 'Virtual Machine Host' in the Software Selection dialog during installation?
[17:16] <jrwren> i'm using uwsgi 1.0.3-debian which comes with 12.04.2. Is there a way to ask it to log stacktraces? tracebacker was not added until 1.3
[18:52] <gchristensen> Hi, I'm PXE-booting with a preseed file and its ending up failing saying it can't install linux-server and there are missing dependencies. When I move to console 4, I see linux-headers-servers depensd on linuk-headers-3.2.0-55-gfeneric but is not going to be installed, linux-image-server depends linux-firmware but it is not going to be installed. try apt-get -f install
[20:09] <qassoom> Hello there
[20:09] <qassoom> I need some help
[20:10] <guntbert> qassoom: with what?
[20:10] <qassoom> I installed LXC for virtualization on my Ubuntu Server
[20:10] <qassoom> my p5p1 and p6p1 NIC disapeared
[20:10] <qassoom> replaced by lxcbr0 and virbr0
[20:11] <qassoom> my server is disconnected now from the internet
[20:12] <qassoom> How can I restore the connection to the internet now?
[20:13] <qassoom> Anyone got an idea???????
[20:14] <guntbert> qassoom: I never saw a NIC p5p1 - whats that machine?
[20:14] <qassoom> a network port to be more specific
[20:14] <qassoom> instead of eth0 and eth1
[20:15] <qassoom> they were replaced after I upgraded the kernel
[20:15] <qassoom> all was fine
[20:15] <qassoom> until I installed LXC
[20:15] <qassoom> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/lxc.html
[20:16] <guntbert> qassoom: strange - I still am wondering about that device - did you install some "other" kernel?
[20:17] <qassoom> My server is a homebrew server with 8 SATA and an Intel i3 processor along with 32GB of RAM
[20:18] <qassoom> I installed Ubuntu Server 12.10 on it a while ago
[20:18] <qassoom> Works mainly as an FTP server
[20:20] <qassoom> FYI http://askubuntu.com/questions/312776/network-interface-onboard-wired-is-showed-p5p1-instead-eth0
[20:20] <guntbert> qassoom: when I installed LXC a lxcbr0 got created, but did not replce anything
[20:21] <qassoom> Not sure what caused this, maybe my linux-backports was removed maybe?
[20:21] <qassoom> What did it add to you?
[20:23] <guntbert> qassoom: hmm, thx for the link, I didn't know that - maybe you *could* try the "workaround" from the answer - just for a test
[20:25] <qassoom> I am going to try that some other time
[20:26] <qassoom> Will get back here if the case persists
[20:26] <guntbert> Good luck!
[20:29] <izanagisan> hi all. I'm trying to restrict FTP access for a user to a certain folder. I installed vsftpd, and put parameters in its configuration file
[20:29] <izanagisan> chroot_local_user=NO
[20:29] <izanagisan> chroot_list_enable=YES
[20:29] <izanagisan> chroot_list_file=/etc/vsftpd/chroot.list
[20:29] <izanagisan> in the list I added the user I want torestrict's name
[20:30] <izanagisan> and then ran $ sudo usermod -d /path/to/homedir theusersname
[20:30] <izanagisan> but STILL when I connect through SFTP I see the whole / filesystem
[20:33] <izanagisan> can anyone help me with this?
[20:39] <shodan45> how can you tell whether you need to reboot after an upgrade? for example, the recent initramfs-tools stuff
[20:41] <genii> Usually if kernels or grub was changed
[20:42] <izanagisan> ah, it's because SFTP is really SSH + FTP
[20:43] <izanagisan> question is, can I chroot the user on SFTP? or disable SFTP?
[23:33] <jrwren> is this really a tar.gz file, or is it named incorrectly? https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/saucy/release/ubuntu-13.10-server-cloudimg-amd64.tar.gz
[23:35] <jrwren> oh, it is. but 7zip on windows can't extract it. how annoying
[23:35] <sarnold> jrwren: looks like it to me, 'file' reported "gzip compressed data, from Unix"  -- and gzip -cd filename > foo  ; file foo reports that it is a tar archive...
[23:42] <jrwren> sarnold: yup, it is fine. i did it on a linux system and it works fine. On a different windows computer, 7zip couldn't untar it. I blame windows :)
[23:42] <sarnold> jrwren: I'm surprised, I thought the whole point of 7zip was that it supported everything. go figure. :)
[23:46] <jrwren> sarnold: maybe because its an old 9.22 beta?
[23:46] <jrwren> whoa, what is ubuntu-core? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/13.10/release/
[23:48] <sarnold> jrwren: just a tarball of very nearly base installation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[23:48] <jrwren> awesome. its tiny. might be what I want.


[06:11] <Quintasan> \o
[07:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: bug 1280310 might need revised instructions since the dbus api changed to one call
[07:53] <apachelogger> 'I have just marked this bug as "affects me too".'
[07:54] <apachelogger> it's funny because that feature was introduced to remove the need for people to comment "affects me too" ^^
[08:00] <yofel> happens all the time ^^
[08:00] <yofel> moin btw.
[08:01] <valorie> sounds like life, yes
[08:02] <valorie> apachelogger: I counter with this: http://i.imgur.com/gmUw605.gif
[08:04] <apachelogger> yo-fel
[08:04] <apachelogger> valorie: that dog is weird
[08:04] <apachelogger> a nom waiting to happen right there
[08:05] <valorie> indeed
[08:06] <valorie> very unlikely friends
[08:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_, yofel: neon5 orchestration suspended until further notice because of stuff
[08:10] <apachelogger> (should be back up before the day is out)
[08:11] <apachelogger> yofel: does the launchpadlib cache simply keep on growign?
[08:11] <apachelogger> or is there actual stuff that cleans it every once in a while?
[08:12] <yofel> AFAIK yes, on qa.kubuntu.co.uk we ran out of disk space thanks to it. I deleted a few dozen gigs of junk back then, now there's a cronjob that wipes the caches
[08:13] <apachelogger> mh, I better setup a cron for that ^^
[08:20] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258088] /usr/bin/krunner:TypeError:reloadConfiguration @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258088 (by errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge)
[08:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: go home, ur drunk
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:53] <shadeslayer_> morning
[08:57] <apachelogger> yo shadeslayer_
[09:01] <shadeslayer_> hello
[09:01] <shadeslayer_> I have a tail
[09:01] <shadeslayer_> why do I have a tail
[09:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: you are evolving :P
[09:02] <jussi> (and de-evolving)
[09:03] <shadeslayer> one would think evolution caused us to lose our tail
[09:03] <shadeslayer> so this would be a regression
[09:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: well theres that also
[09:03] <shadeslayer> where do I file a bug report
[09:04] <jussi> !bug | shadeslayer
[09:04] <jussi> :D
[09:04] <shadeslayer> but what about a bug in life!
[09:05] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/life
[09:05] <shadeslayer> ^^ no such package
[09:05] <jussi> bah
[09:05] <jussi> we should write a program called "life"
[09:05] <jussi> a FPS :P
[09:05] <shadeslayer> :O
[09:05] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk
[09:06] <apachelogger> jussi: more like RPG
[09:06] <apachelogger> also I think that was done and it's called second life
[09:06] <jussi> apachelogger: hah!
[09:06] <shadeslayer> neat song
[09:07] <apachelogger> some people apparently prefer it over first life, or so a report said a week or two ago
[09:07] <apachelogger> they even have proper real estate agents there
[09:07] <shadeslayer> also, that guy looks like David Tenant somewhat
[09:07] <jussi> apachelogger: I want the FPS - it should be called Life (and Death)
[09:07] <apachelogger> that made more sense
[09:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol
[09:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on david note ... broadchurch in case you had not watched it
[09:08] <shadeslayer> ohohoho
[09:08]  * shadeslayer looks
[09:08] <shadeslayer> something to watch on the flight home
[09:08] <apachelogger> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Escape_Artist_%28TV_series%29
[09:09] <apachelogger> the end cought me by surprise
[09:09] <apachelogger> of course I was drunk at the time, so not much surprise the surprisedness is xD
[09:09] <jussi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
[09:09] <shadeslayer> dat song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f5DNUF2CFc
[09:09] <shadeslayer> waaatttt
[09:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I think I saw whoever plays River Song in that trailer
[09:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: which one? broadchurch?
[09:10] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:10] <apachelogger> no
[09:10] <apachelogger> must be imagining things :P
[09:10] <shadeslayer> okay, only caught a glimpse
[09:10] <shadeslayer> could be wrong
[09:11] <shadeslayer> yay, okular is compiling
[09:11] <apachelogger> alex kingston definitely did not star in broadchurch :P
[09:11] <shadeslayer> we should have 4.12.97 today
[09:11]  * apachelogger thinks shadeslayer is just as drunk as kubotu
[09:12] <shadeslayer> most certainly not
[09:12] <apachelogger> that's what kubotu said
[09:12] <apachelogger> still getting krita dupes
[09:13] <apachelogger> much waste of time
[09:14] <shadeslayer> I think we need to shutdown kubuntu-mobile
[09:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[09:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we have a #kubuntu-mobile
[09:15] <shadeslayer> pointless
[09:15] <apachelogger> oh
[09:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:15] <apachelogger> lol
[09:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you able to look at 4.12.97 today? just needs okular fixed, test it all then upload it all
[09:15] <shadeslayer> don't even have ops there
[09:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[09:15] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm doing :)
[09:15] <shadeslayer> and looking at the trello
[09:16] <shadeslayer> :(
[09:16] <shadeslayer> mvo still not back from vacation me thinks
[09:16] <shadeslayer> I'll start mirroring the archive
[09:17]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[09:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:17] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[09:18] <shadeslayer> xnox: thx!
[09:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: krita has no banner in discover :(
[09:19] <shadeslayer> I also think that having margin at the top is giving me OCD
[09:19] <shadeslayer> erm
[09:20] <shadeslayer> *not having a margin at the top
[09:20] <shadeslayer> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopNh2282.png
[09:21]  * Riddell looks at kf5 so he can look at doing the plasma alpha release which no distro has commented on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_4.98.0_trusty.html
[09:28] <yofel> Riddell: is the kf5 workflow any different than the kde sc one?
[09:47] <Riddell> yofel: nope
[09:47] <yofel> k
[09:50] <Riddell> yofel: oh but using https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks
[09:50] <yofel> aah, thanks
[10:04]  * Riddell hits a mass retry on kf5
[10:09] <lordievader> Riddell: Does it sound familliar that kf5 doesn't want to start?
[10:10] <lordievader> I couldn't login last time I tried.
[10:17] <Riddell> lordievader: um, what are you logging into?
[10:17] <Riddell> kf5 is just libraries, no programmes
[10:32] <lordievader> Riddell: Oh I was talking about the project-neon5 session.
[10:32] <lordievader> Tries to login then throws me back to lightdm.
[10:59] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: neon5 orchestration active again; I'll kill saucy support this week, it is not meeting builddep version requirements all over the place
[11:00] <shadeslayer> fine by me
[11:00] <yofel> ack
[11:00] <apachelogger> actually, might as well do it right now
[11:01] <apachelogger> it doesn't do anything useful anyway ^^
[11:08] <jussi> anyone got preferences (and why) for skrooge or kmymoney?
[11:09] <Peace-> hi :)
[11:09] <ghostcube> peace :)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:10] <apachelogger> jussi: skrooge appeared easier to use, alas less features
[11:10] <apachelogger> personally I use spreadsheets xD
[11:10] <Peace-> hola BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi Peace-
[11:10] <Peace-> apachelogger: mm i use ... nothing :P easier than yours hahahha
[11:11] <jussi> apachelogger: thanks
[11:11] <Peace-> ghostcube: hola man
[11:11] <ghostcube> :)
[11:13]  * Peace- struggles himself ,must buy new car
[11:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: hey!
[11:28] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1300160
[11:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: hi :D
[11:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: I don't suppose you can have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1299099
[11:29] <shadeslayer> xnox: I have access to the machine that has the issue for a couple of das
[11:29] <shadeslayer> *days
[11:29] <shadeslayer> after which it might get difficult to diagnose
[11:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's the status of the python 3.4 crashery?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> good question, I have a workaround that introduces another bug
[11:30] <shadeslayer> want to try out?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/pdkwkxv7j
[11:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I said you are to ask pyqt upstream whether that is a suitable workaround :P
[11:31] <shadeslayer> right
[11:32]  * apachelogger is running out of whiteboard space to put issue on
[11:32] <apachelogger> :S
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2014-March/033957.html
[11:32] <shadeslayer> whiteboard?
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: hows the gst1 front?
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: not looked closely since busy with plasma alpha, I know I have that issue you said where it didn't install something important
[11:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: I also found it didn't recognise my usb headset today
[11:34] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1300160
[11:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh my :S
[11:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1298125 is more high profile than it not checking for stuff
[11:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/2.3.2-0ubuntu6
[11:35] <shadeslayer> looks fixed to me
[11:35] <apachelogger> I do not know
[11:35] <apachelogger> effect was that amarok did not start
[11:36] <yofel> if qtwebkit is in it should work, if it doesn't work for you it's something new
[11:36] <apachelogger> on bug 1300160 ... I am not sure that changing the language of khc will suffice to test this
[11:36] <apachelogger> it's reported against the wrong product though
[11:36] <apachelogger> so I could not possible handle it
[11:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-driver-manager/+bug/1280310/comments/16
[11:37] <shadeslayer> so it works? 0.o
[11:38] <shadeslayer> good day to upload Firefox
[11:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah? you said it was fixed :P
[11:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it looks fixed to me
[11:38] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:38] <apachelogger> the user just wasn't able to confirm it fixed
[11:38] <apachelogger> which is why I highlighted it
[11:38] <shadeslayer> clearly the python script works
[11:38] <shadeslayer> and you get a reply
[11:38] <shadeslayer> so I don't get the second reporter's comments
[11:38] <shadeslayer> and it looks like a new bug
[11:39] <xnox> shadeslayer: commented on the bug report.
[11:39] <xnox> shadeslayer: there is a strange python traceback.
[11:39] <apachelogger> ah
[11:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, new bug
[11:39] <apachelogger> also kdebug needed
[11:40] <shadeslayer> xnox: fwiw it wasn't a LVM install
[11:40] <shadeslayer> manual partitioning
[11:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you look into MK's problem? wasn't that the same?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no, MK's problem is that there are no entries, the script completes though
[11:40] <apachelogger> ah
[11:41] <shadeslayer> and the KMessageWidget disappears
[11:41] <apachelogger> it seems all very improbable, python returns but the UI not updating is either a remaining state issue or python not actually returning when called through the KCM
[11:42] <apachelogger> IIRC even marshalling is done in a finite manner since it does a strict mapping from dict to struct, so it could not be that it gets stuck there
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly add some kdebug to DM::onDevicesReady
[11:43] <apachelogger> that way we always know whether dbus actually returned or not
[11:43] <apachelogger> which greatly reduces the guessing already ^^
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah I am going to debug MK's machine tomorrow
[11:43] <shadeslayer> since he's sprinting today
[11:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I meant in general, upload new manager with some more debug
[11:45] <apachelogger> for example in onDevicesReady as that is the function called when python returns ;)
[11:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: roger
[11:45] <shadeslayer> after lunch
[11:45] <apachelogger> pff
[11:45] <apachelogger> lunch
[11:45] <shadeslayer> trying to debug apport
[11:46] <apachelogger> DriverManager_DBus crashed with FileNotFoundError in _execute_child
[11:46] <apachelogger> what is it with python and 404s lately xD
[11:48] <shadeslayer> what
[11:48] <shadeslayer> grep -iR "Unable to start" /usr/share/apport , returns nothing
[11:49] <shadeslayer> and yet http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopVB2282.png
[11:50] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, you can't file a bug on kubuntu-docs
[11:52] <apachelogger> sure you can
[11:52] <apachelogger> ubuntu-bug kubuntu-docs
[11:52] <ahoneybun> oops
[11:53] <shadeslayer> <- EHUNGRY
[11:54] <apachelogger> <- EDETOX
[11:55] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/1300175
[11:57] <apachelogger> yofel: I might be turning off all of neon recipes now because the manage script is so stupid and my python skillz are rubbish :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so the silly apport dialog is definitely a KDE issue
[12:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because I can't reproduce it with apport-cli
[12:11] <apachelogger> apport-cli does not ue pyqt
[12:11] <apachelogger> *use
[12:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, so it's definitely a bug in the apport-kde stuff?
[12:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a bug in something that contribues to the stack apport-kde is built upon
[12:15] <apachelogger> where, I do not know
[12:16] <apachelogger> I can however tell you that it did not happen before python3.4 so it is at least partially to blame
[12:16] <apachelogger> but that is not really a surprise
[12:16] <yofel> apachelogger: well, it needs a more intelligent pattern I think, but go ahead
[12:16] <yofel> neon4 isn't really in a usable state for saucy, and completely broken for trusty
[12:16] <apachelogger> yofel: I can't launchpad times out :P
[12:17] <yofel> I'll try to fix that the next few days
[12:17] <apachelogger> I did however do a string exclusion on ! neon5 recipes
[12:17] <yofel> apachelogger: try it a few dozen times, it usually works eventually
[12:17] <apachelogger> so it should be fine
[12:17] <apachelogger> once the timeouts stop ^^
[12:19] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[12:19] <shadeslayer> exit code is 256
[12:21] <apachelogger> 'da' keyboard layout has a + where normal people have a -
[12:21] <apachelogger> outragous
[12:24] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: commented
[12:25] <shadeslayer> what
[12:25] <shadeslayer> what
[12:25] <shadeslayer> what
[12:25] <shadeslayer> how does this even work
[12:26] <apachelogger> using french fries
[12:26] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/view/head:/apport/ui.py#L1123
[12:26] <shadeslayer> https://docs.python.org/3/library/os.html#os.wait
[12:28] <shadeslayer> it should clearly only check for the high byte
[12:28] <shadeslayer> since that's the exit status
[12:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[12:29] <apachelogger> it does?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> but it checks for the whole number?
[12:29] <apachelogger> no
[12:29] <shadeslayer> i.e. high byte + low byte?
[12:29] <apachelogger> (pid, status)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:30] <shadeslayer> hm
[12:30] <apachelogger> it's badly expressed though
[12:30] <shadeslayer> ^^
[12:30] <apachelogger> of course the fact that wait returns the values like that is also very neat
[12:30] <shadeslayer> neat? :P
[12:30] <apachelogger> python insist on you writing a bug
[12:30] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:31] <apachelogger> here, have some api you can use to create bugs in your application
[12:31] <yofel> it's so badly expressed that I don't understand whether the whole tuple is 16bit or just the exit status. As PID and signal number are different things to me
[12:32] <shadeslayer> as I understood it, the whole tuple is 16 bit
[12:32] <apachelogger> yofel: 16bit is the tuple
[12:32] <shadeslayer> "the high bit of the low byte is set if a core file was produced."
[12:32] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:32] <apachelogger> 8 for pid 8 for status
[12:32] <apachelogger> mind you
[12:33] <apachelogger> IIRC pid_t is a signed 32bit int
[12:33] <shadeslayer> olololol
[12:33] <apachelogger> so in theory you could encounter pids that do not fit in the return value of python's os.wait
[12:33] <yofel> yaaaay
[12:34] <apachelogger> posix spec doesn't apparently define the size explicitly
[12:35] <apachelogger> "[...] and blksize_t, pid_t and ssize_t are signed integral types."
[12:37] <yofel> which in C IIRC means at least 16bit signed up to inifinity
[12:37] <apachelogger> >        The implementation shall support one or more  programming  environments
[12:37] <apachelogger> >        in  which the widths of blksize_t, pid_t, size_t, ssize_t, suseconds_t,
[12:37] <apachelogger> >        and useconds_t are no greater than the width of type long. The names of
[12:37] <apachelogger> >        these  programming  environments  can  be  obtained using the confstr()
[12:37] <apachelogger> >        function or the getconf utility.
[12:37] <yofel> uhuh, so 16bit signed up to long
[12:38] <yofel> yay for standards
[12:39] <apachelogger> well
[12:40] <apachelogger> if you write a posix system that only supports 2 processes it makes sense to not have an explicit range, so your pid_t can also be a char
[12:40] <yofel> char is not a signed integral type, isn't it?
[12:40] <apachelogger> to a posix compatible library it makes no difference anyway as long as you have a an upper limit
[12:41] <apachelogger> yofel: I have not looked at the definition of integral type
[12:41] <apachelogger> technically it's int8 though
[12:41] <yofel> -.-
[12:41] <apachelogger> a char can be an int, just a very tiny one ^^
[12:42] <jussi> does klipper syncronise somehow?
[12:43] <apachelogger> The <stdint.h> header shall declare sets of integer types having specified widths, and shall define corresponding sets of macros. It shall also define macros that specify limits of integer types corresponding to types defined in other standard headers.
[12:43] <yofel> synchronise with what? it can synchronise with xclipboard if you mean that
[12:43] <apachelogger>  int8_t
[12:43] <apachelogger> yofel: int8 is a legit integer type
[12:43] <yofel> fun
[12:43] <apachelogger> so you can have an 8bit pid
[12:44] <apachelogger> so at least os.wait supports to smallest possible value a pid can have :P
[14:41] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1257760] Lightdm doesn't launch Plasma on Kubuntu Trusty anymore @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1257760 (by Rohan Garg)
[14:41] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:41] <shadeslayer> kubotu: you're drunk
[14:41] <kubotu> howdy, shadeslayer :)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> drunk-bot-u :)
[14:46] <Riddell> http://www.muktware.com/2014/03/opensuse-offer-rolling-release-kde-software-experience/24829
[14:48] <Riddell> they're getting a neon-style git built
[14:49] <Riddell> seems like what Kubuntu has been doing for ages
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[14:50] <apachelogger> depends on the implementation details
[14:53] <shadeslayer> !testers | KDE SC 4.12.97 in Ninjas
[14:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what was up with okular?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fixed it?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: someone forgot to rename depends from libokularcore3abi1 to libokular4
[14:55] <Riddell> tsk, naughty someone
[14:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think I should push my fix for bug 1282713 , since upstream thinks it's acceptable, the other solution being destroying things by hand, which is tedious
[14:58] <shadeslayer> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/pipermail/pyqt/2014-March/033957.html
[14:58] <shadeslayer> this also introduces a fun bug where you get that weird dialog saying that it could not open the bug report
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I don't have a solution for that
[14:59] <apachelogger> given release proximity not crashing is a boon
[14:59] <soee> hiho, so .97 ready for tests ?
[15:00] <tester56> what testing is needed?
[15:02] <Riddell> soee, tester56: does it install? does it run? does baloo search for files correctly in dolphin
[15:02] <Riddell> and anything else you think of
[15:03] <tester56> Riddell: will test again this weekend, 3 o4 days ago most things were fine
[15:03] <tester56> Riddell: and for baloo search bugs I have directly informed Vishesh as well as reported the bugs on the bucktracker
[15:13] <mamarley> Riddell: Baloo works fine here.  Really fast :)
[15:13] <Darkwing> Morning
[15:14] <Riddell> mamarley: if you search for filenames in dolphin does it find the right ones?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:16] <shadeslayer> LO is broken
[15:16] <mamarley> Riddell: Actually it doesn't seem to work for filenames.  I had it on Content by accident...
[15:17] <mamarley> That's weird, when I switched it back to Filename it started working again.
[15:17] <vHanda> Riddell: I fixed that.
[15:17] <vHanda> please try the RC release
[15:18] <Riddell> vHanda: I know, that's what shadeslayer just put out a call to testers for
[15:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how so?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesn't start
[15:19] <shadeslayer> all I get is a empty window
[15:19] <shadeslayer> strace locks on a futex
[15:19] <mamarley> For me, it worked the first time I tried it, but now it is screwing up.  It seems that only things it found in the search results for Content will show up in Filename searches.
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p9l3ogxoz
[15:24] <yofel> same issue like on the ML I guess?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: oddly, mck182's machine works fine
[15:31] <shadeslayer> and he has the same packages as me
[15:31] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/p9l3ogxoz
[15:31] <shadeslayer> erm
[15:31] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/g6PYHakZ
[16:27] <ovidiu-florin_> Riddell: good news
[16:28] <ovidiu-florin_> the guys from cms2cms agreed to migrate our site from dupal to wordpress for us for free
[16:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin_: in return for our first born?
[16:29] <Riddell> :)
[16:29] <ovidiu-florin_> :)
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin_> only one thing
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin_> how should I proceed with this?
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin_> should I give them access irectly to the site? or let them work on a backup?
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin_> they need only DB access afaik
[16:30] <ScottK> Who's maintaining the wordpress instance we'll use?
[16:31] <ScottK> Wordpress is a security nightmare, so someone needs to be watching it/updating it.
[16:32] <ovidiu-florin_> ScottK: why do you think it's a security nightmare?
[16:32] <ScottK> Because there are a lot of security updates and sites that don't update get compromised.
[16:32] <ScottK> Drupal is too, but I think our current one is maintained.
[16:33] <ScottK> Any modern content management system that I'm aware of is concerning with regard to security, so you have to be careful to keep them up to date.
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin_> I'll do most of the maintenance (updates, deleting spams, aproving comments)
[16:33] <ovidiu-florin_> and ahoneybun if he wants to
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin_> and the posting of news / other stuff, will be the same.
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin_> except that they can/will be translated.
[16:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libreoffice works for me fine after a dist-upgrade
[16:35] <tester56> Riddell: not using calligra? o.O
[16:35] <Riddell> tester56: for testing I use both, we need both to work
[16:36] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin_: Is the box wordpress is going to run on an Ubuntu box?  Wordpress is in Universe, so the security team doesn't publish security updates for it unless someone from the community prepares them.
[16:36] <tester56> Riddell: I find Calligra has potential, but the bugs and the lack of developers can quickly lead to data loss in a crash
[16:36] <Riddell> tester56: yes, this has mostly been the case for the last decade alas
[16:37] <tester56> Riddell: I would probably not use it in production without saving every 30 seconds
[16:38] <tester56> Riddell: But I think it definitely has some potential. The concept is nice, but it is a bit unplolished and crashes a lot, especially when resizing things
[16:38] <tester56> Riddell: I wonder why so few want to work on it ...
[16:38] <ovidiu-florin_> ScottK: I'm not sure I understand you.
[16:39] <ScottK> The Ubuntu archive is (somewhat simplified) divided into two parts: main and universe.
[16:39] <ScottK> For packages in Main, the Canonical funded Ubuntu security team tracks security issues in packages and publishes package updates as needed.
[16:40] <ScottK> For Universe, they don't.  They'll publish them if someone else prepares them, but they don't do anything more than that.
[16:40] <ovidiu-florin> Wordpress is not installed on that server from the repos
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> it's a direct download from the official site
[16:41] <ScottK> OK.
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> and it has it's own update system.
[16:41] <ScottK> That works too.
[16:41] <tester56> Riddell: I thought there is some commercial interest in the calligra project?
[16:41] <ScottK> As long as someone is keeping it up to date.
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> we just need am MTA tied to it so it can send notification emails
[16:41] <ovidiu-florin> and password resets
[16:43] <ScottK> If you pick postfix as your MTA, I can probably help set that up.
[16:44] <ovidiu-florin> most likely we will
[16:44] <ovidiu-florin> I'm in favor for that
[16:46] <Riddell> tester56: Nokia was yes, but then elopalypse happened
[16:46] <tester56> Riddell: yolla?
[16:46] <ovidiu-florin> yolla has sailfish OS, right?
[16:46] <Riddell> tester56: I don't know if they use it I'm afraid
[16:46] <Riddell> yes
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> have any of you tried it?
[16:47] <tester56> Riddell: but the code base can not be that unattractive, it seems quite modular
[16:47] <ovidiu-florin> from what I see on youtube I don't really like it. Tyzen looks more usable.
[16:48] <Riddell> I found a bug in tizen within 20 seconds of using it, the calculator can't calculate 2-2.01.  even microsoft fixed that bug around 1990
[16:48] <Riddell> but neither jolla nor tizen have waterproof phones so I'm stuck with android
[16:49] <tester56> Riddell: water proof for the canoeing or water proof as an idiom?
[16:52] <Riddell> for canoeing
[17:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: KDE SC 4.12.97 good from my side
[17:41] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1300036] Kwallet crash. Chrome browser playing strange music for no resson.kwalletd crashed with SI... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300036 (by Derrick Walker)
[17:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I installed it, let me relog in and see what happens
[17:46] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/pry1c4vev
[18:08] <yofel> weird indeed
[18:08] <yofel> .97 running fine so far
[18:15] <yofel> and funny enough, libreoffice works fine for me. Nothing beats debugging working things
[18:16] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> did I mention I hate DST
[18:17] <yofel> welcome to europe :P
[18:18] <shadeslayer> I mean, it feels like ~7 PM right now
[18:18] <shadeslayer> but nope
[18:18] <shadeslayer> it's actually 8 PM
[18:18] <shadeslayer> okay, going to head home now
[18:18] <shadeslayer> cya
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: feel free to upload 4.12.97 if you think all is good
[18:19] <shadeslayer> or I'll do it tomorrow
[18:38] <ScottK> Doing rebuilds today to drop python3.3 builds from python extensions, so that should help a bit with ISO size when it's done.
[19:16] <ahoneybun> ScottK, I have no problem helping out with the site
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: please ping me when you are around. I want to talk to you about the website migration.
[21:20] <ovidiu-florin> can someone please tell me the exact version of drupal on the current Kubuntu website?
[21:24] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: 6.30
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: thank you
[21:57] <Darkwing> Riddell: Thanks mate
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> do you guys think Riddell is asleep?
[21:59] <yofel> possibly
[21:59] <ovidiu-florin> then I'll try catching him in the morning
[22:02] <Darkwing> kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade works from 13.10 - 14.04
[23:11] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: do you think we also need the revisions of the old news posts migrated?
[23:22] <yofel> very unlikey, most shouldn't even have any. If we do need them we can just keep a copy of the old DB around to look them up.
[23:22] <yofel> Many of the older (i.e. before 2012 or so) posts aren't even shown correct on the current page. Wrong formatting, missing pictures, ...