[02:53] <holstein> !text
[02:55] <holstein> !tty
[02:59] <holstein> !tty
[02:59] <holstein> sorry..
[02:59] <holstein> 21:53 < holstein> !text
[02:59] <holstein> lol
[02:59] <holstein> its been a long day..
[18:34] <incisivejoshua> Hello. I'm interested in contributing. How can I help?
[19:06] <zequence> incisivejoshua: Hi. In any way you like
[19:07] <zequence> There's the technical side of things, coding, packaging, fixing bugs - that kind of thing (which is nor that hard, but takes some time to learn)
[19:08] <zequence> then there's the less technical bits, testing, writing docs, PR, interacting with the community, etc
[19:08] <zequence> incisivejoshua: Do you have any experience beforehand? (you absolutely don't need to have)


[07:21] <allstarschh> hi, my gcin is broken on my ubuntu artful this week, I am not sure how to fix this problem, could someone help me to figure out where to start?
[08:13] <PHLin> allstarschh, maybe try to run gcin from the command line and catch the output?
[08:20] <allstarschh> PHLin: IMOpenIM 'ibus' failed. Maybe another XIM server is running.
[08:23] <allstarschh> 'pgrep gcin' doesn't show anything
[08:25] <PHLin> allstarschh, try "im-config -m"
[08:25] <PHLin> which will tell you the im configuration
[08:25] <allstarschh> PHLin: default gcin ibus  ibus
[08:27] <PHLin> allstarschh, check the "man im-config" it will tell you what these means
[08:27] <PHLin> allstarschh, I got my ibus removed and with fcitx install, so it's all fcitx there (and a default)
[08:28] <PHLin> allstarschh, try to switch to gcin with "im-config -n gcin", and run the "im-config -m" again to see if anything changes
[08:29] <allstarschh> PHLin: do I need to install fcitx?
[08:30] <PHLin> allstarschh, nah, it's a different IME
[08:30] <PHLin> allstarschh, unless you want to switch over it
[08:30] <allstarschh> im-config -n gcin && im-config -m  still got the same result
[08:31] <allstarschh> PHLin: can fcitx use 'boshami'?
[08:33] <PHLin> allstarschh, looks like so, fcitx-table-boshiamy, haven't try it before
[08:34] <PHLin> allstarschh, you can try to switch you IME with just "im-config", in an interactive dialog
[08:34] <PHLin> allstarschh, and logout after making changes
[08:36] <allstarschh> PHLin: perhaps my problem is the 'gcin' process never ran, not related to im-switch
[08:37] <PHLin> allstarschh, looks like so, ibus running now?
[08:37] <PHLin> allstarschh, maybe some update overrides your config or so
[08:37] <PHLin> (if that works before)
[08:38] <allstarschh> PHLin: there are several processes running 'ibus'
[08:39] <allstarschh> PHLin: yet, it worked like 3~4 days before, but after daily update, somehow it doesn't work anymore
[08:40] <allstarschh> PHLin: how do I know which application is using ibus
[08:40] <PHLin> allstarschh, I would try to switch to gcin, to see if it helps
[08:40] <PHLin> allstarschh, "ps aux | grep ibus" maybe?
[08:40] <allstarschh> PHLin: but I only got pid
[08:41] <allstarschh> PHLin: okay, I got some infop
[08:43] <allstarschh> gdm       2052  0.0  0.0 354160  3212 tty1     Sl   14:35   0:00 ibus-daemon --xim --panel disable gdm       2055  0.0  0.0 273528  2556 tty1     Sl   14:35   0:00 /usr/lib/ibus/ibus-dconf gdm       2058  0.0  0.0 487524  8908 tty1     Sl   14:35   0:00 /usr/lib/ibus/ibus-x11 --kill-daemon gdm       2156  0.0  0.0 197676  2680 tty1     Sl   14:35   0:00 /usr/lib/ibus/ibus-engine-simple allstars  2530  0.0  0.0 354272  4404 tt
[08:43] <allstarschh> PHLin: but I think I am using 'gcin' now, no?
[08:45] <PHLin> allstarschh, you should, but looks like ibus took over


[02:17] <staind9383> after the upgrade to .21, do i have to reconfigure my capture cards?
[02:17] <staind9383> or card
[02:33] <staind9383> so i was using firewire for cable capture...  it was card 2
[02:33] <staind9383> after the update, i had to set up the firewire card again in the backend setup and now this new firewire is card 3
[02:33] <staind9383> and it does not work
[02:33] <staind9383> :-/
[03:04] <jamesd> has anyone tried to do a fresh install with the latest mythtv .21 parts... using an nvidia card, and closed source drives.. i can't get my upgraded system to play 1080i channels
[03:13] <staind9383> anyone know how to get channel icon downloads working in .21?
[03:14] <staind9383> the option is greyed out for me
[04:31] <tritium> Well, havign just gone through http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=295, I can confirm that mythtv isn't populating my program listings properly from the schedules direct data.
[04:31] <tritium> s/havign/having
[05:42] <sshirley> OMG!!!!
[05:42] <sshirley> I just upgraded from 0.20 to 0.21 and my system is all messed up!
[05:44] <superm1> sshirley, hardy?
[05:44] <superm1> i hope its not bug 201673
[05:44] <superm1> i just got hit by it myself...
[05:44] <superm1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/201673
[05:44] <superm1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=722886
[05:48] <sshirley> No. Less severe than that.
[05:48] <sshirley> MythVideo won't work and LiveTV plus recordings playback is choppy
[05:48] <sshirley> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/322620?search_string=ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString;#322620
[05:49] <rhpot1991> sshirley: dpkg -l |grep myth
[05:49] <rhpot1991> make sure mythvideo is the same version as everything else, if not sudo apt-get install mythvideo to force it to upgrade
[05:50] <rhpot1991> what cpu does your box have?
[05:51] <sshirley> I have a dual-core AMD64
[05:51] <superm1> sshirley, well make sure on the versions
[05:52] <superm1> that's the most common problem
[05:53] <sshirley> Hmmmmm....MythVideo is 0.20.2, MythDVD is 0.20.2 (I know it's going away anyways), mythstream is 0.18. I also have libmyth 0.20.0 AND 0.21.0
[05:53] <sshirley> Plus some themes are different versions
[05:53] <superm1> okay well install mythvideo
[05:53] <superm1> it will remove mythdvd (it's integrated in mythvideo now)
[05:53] <sshirley> When I undated, I couldn't click the checkbox for MythVideo for whatever reason
[05:54] <sshirley> What about having 2 libmyth versions?
[05:54] <sshirley> updated
[05:54] <superm1> it's because it didn't want to lte you remove mythdvd probably
[05:54] <superm1> but it didn't know better:)
[05:54] <rhpot1991> superm1: should put a sticky about that somewhere, people seeing this problem a lot
[05:54] <superm1> the 2 libmyth versions won't do anythign but waste space
[05:54] <rhpot1991> want me to do a forum post about it?
[05:54] <sshirley> Ok, so from the command-line?
[05:55] <superm1> i think there is a forum post about it
[05:55] <sshirley> rhpot1991: Please do
[05:55] <rhpot1991> ok
[05:55] <rhpot1991> just sticky it or something for the time being
[05:55]  * rhpot1991 doesn't check the forums enough
[05:55] <sshirley> I also heard something about unchecking the nightly build backport repository
[05:56] <sshirley> ok, so from the command-line, how would i update mythvideo?
[05:56] <rhpot1991> sudo apt-get install mythvideo
[05:56] <superm1> sshirley, yes do uncheck the weekly build repo.  you don't need it anymore
[05:56] <sshirley> also from the command-line how do i check which repositories i have?
[05:58] <javatexan> are you guys doing current dev against 7.10 or 8.04?
[05:58] <rhpot1991> 8.04
[05:58] <superm1> sshirley, you'd edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <javatexan> ubuntu?
[05:59] <sshirley> yes
[05:59] <rhpot1991> javatexan: I don't understand what your asking
[05:59] <sshirley> deb cdrom:[Mythbuntu 7.10 - amd64 (071021)]/ gutsy main restricted universe
[05:59] <sshirley> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy universe multiverse main restricted
[05:59] <sshirley> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[05:59] <sshirley> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[05:59] <sshirley> No nightly builds, right?
[06:00] <sshirley> or weekly build repo, i mean
[06:00] <superm1> !pastebin | sshirley
[06:00] <ubotu> sshirley: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[06:00] <superm1> please use that in the future
[06:00] <superm1> but no you dont have any weekly stuff there
[06:00] <sshirley> Ok, sorry
[06:00] <javatexan> i am sorry bad question
[06:01] <javatexan> trying to get a dev vm setup and dont want to be behind...sorry
[06:01] <sshirley> Cool!
[06:02] <sshirley> I haven't said 'yes' yet, but by install mythvideo, it will remove mythdvd and upgrade mythvideo. Also by typing 'apt-get autoremove', it will remove libmyth-0.20 and mkisofs
[06:03] <sshirley> Don't I need mkisofs though?
[06:03] <superm1> sshirley, you shouldn't
[06:03] <superm1> and that's fine that you let it do that
[06:04] <superm1> thats what has to happen for mythvideo to work
[06:05] <rhpot1991> javatexan: you can do either mythbuntu or ubuntu, doesn't really matter
[06:05] <sshirley> I won't need mkisofs for MythArchive?
[06:05] <superm1> unless you are making ISOs, no
[06:05] <javatexan> rhpot1991: okay...
[06:06] <sshirley> right.....true
[06:06] <javatexan> rhpot1991: which do you prefer for your work
[06:06] <rhpot1991> javatexan: for example I do mythbuntu in my dev vm but ubuntu as my actual OS's and test everything all around
[06:06] <sshirley> But now that it has gotten rid of libmyth-0.20 I can reinstall mkisofs if i want to
[06:07] <rhpot1991> javatexan: doesn't really matter, mythbuntu is built on ubuntu
[06:07] <javatexan> rhpot1991: cool...once you have ubuntu installed, you then install the control center and then the SVN or do you install just the SVN
[06:08] <sshirley> Does mythtv (or mythbuntu) take advantage of multi-core processors?
[06:08] <rhpot1991> sshirley: 0.21 is supposed to
[06:08] <javatexan> i guess the db stuff will be easier installing mythtv all at once.....eh?
[06:08] <rhpot1991> I couldn't tell you where the settings are
[06:08] <sshirley> Excellent!!!! So I should see some form of performance increase.
[06:09] <sshirley> Also the memory footprint has gone down, eh?
[06:09] <rhpot1991> javatexan: I have just been running with the latest weekly trunk builds, but my stuff isn't really integrated into mythtv at this point
[06:09] <sshirley> rhpot1991: Believe me, I'll look for it!
[06:09] <sshirley> Ok....I'm going to reboot my mythbox and take a look. brb!
[06:25] <sshirley> Ok....MythVideo works now. Thanks!
[06:25] <sshirley> But LiveTV and recordings playback is still choppy
[06:26] <rhpot1991> sshirley: try playing around with the playback profiles
[06:26] <rhpot1991> they are new in 0.21 and your old settings are modified by them
[06:26] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles
[06:27] <sshirley> Yeah....I saw those. You mean like 'CPU+', 'CPU++', 'Normal', etc.?
[06:27] <rhpot1991> yep, they added a few more on release as well
[06:27] <rhpot1991> I'm running cpu+ with xvmc forced for HD
[06:27] <sshirley> Nice
[06:27] <rhpot1991> cause I have a weak box now
[06:28] <rhpot1991> I'd think you should be fine with out modifying it, but I'm not entirely sure
[06:28] <sshirley> I just have SD for right now but a good CPU (2.1Ghz dual-core AMD64)
[06:28] <rhpot1991> maybe you have generic graphics drivers somehow?
[06:28] <sshirley> I tried normal as well but that didn't work (so I have only tried CPU+ and Normal)
[06:29] <sshirley> No....I recently installed drivers but they are using Mesa somehow and not OpenGL. I still haven't got that fixed. But it worked under 0.20.2
[06:29] <rhpot1991> sounds like its defaulting to the generic drivers
[06:29] <rhpot1991> check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:30] <rhpot1991> would tell you if something was going wrong in there
[06:32] <sshirley> I have: (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[06:32] <sshirley>         compiled for 1.3.0, module version = 1.0.0
[06:32] <sshirley>         ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
[06:32] <sshirley> (==) AIGLX enabled
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) Loading extension GLX
[06:32] <sshirley> Oooops
[06:32] <sshirley> But also:
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) LoadModule: "fglrx"
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//fglrx_drv.so
[06:32] <sshirley> (II) Module fglrx: vendor="FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc."
[06:32] <sshirley>         compiled for 7.1.0, module version = 8.45.5
[06:32] <sshirley>         Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[06:33] <sshirley> glx is Mesa?
[06:33] <superm1> fglrx eh?.  make sure you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed then
[06:36] <sshirley> How can I check that?
[06:36] <sshirley> Aaack! When going through that log file I see:
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 7.1.x.y with x.y >= 0.0
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): detected X.org <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:36] <sshirley> (EE) fglrx(0): atiddxDriScreenInit failed, GPS not been initialized.
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): FBADPhys: 0xc0000000 FBMappedSize: 0x10000000
[06:36] <rhpot1991> sshirley: pastebin that stuff
[06:36] <sshirley> (==) fglrx(0): Write-combining range (0xe0000000,0x10000000)
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): FBMM initialized for area (0,0)-(640,8191)
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): FBMM auto alloc for area (0,0)-(640,480) (front color buffer - assumption)
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): Largest offscreen area available: 640 x 7711
[06:36] <sshirley> (==) fglrx(0): Backing store disabled
[06:36] <sshirley> (WW) fglrx(0): Textured Video not supported without DRI enabled.
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): GLESX enableFlags = 10
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): Acceleration enabled
[06:36] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): Direct rendering disabled
[06:37] <sshirley> (II) fglrx(0): Finished Initialize PPLIB!
[06:37] <sshirley> (==) fglrx(0): Silken mouse enabled
[06:37] <sshirley> (==) fglrx(0): Using hardware cursor
[06:37] <sshirley> sshirley@viihde:~$
[06:37] <sshirley> Sorry about that....I am not in Linux right now
[06:37] <sshirley> Oh
[06:37] <sshirley> Ok
[06:37] <rhpot1991> rule of thumb is if its longer than 3 lines put it in pastebin
[06:37] <sshirley> What kind of formatting
[06:37] <sshirley> syntax
[06:37] <rhpot1991> people start to get angry if its spammy
[06:38] <rhpot1991> bash, or leave it empty
[06:38] <rhpot1991> doesn't really matter
[06:38] <sshirley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59448/
[06:38] <superm1> sshirley, well it looks like you are missing the fglrx kernel module
[06:38] <superm1> make sure that gets loaded
[06:39] <sshirley> superm1: With THAT kinda stuff I'm kinda n00b. How can I do that?
[06:39] <superm1> sshirley, well unless you installed it some weird way, it should have been handled for you
[06:39] <superm1> how did you install it?
[06:42] <sshirley> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_Catalyst_8.3_Driver_Manually
[06:43] <sshirley> xorg-driver-fglrx is already the newest version.
[06:44] <rhpot1991> any reason why you didn't use the restricted driver manager?
[06:45] <sshirley> Because the restricted manager didn't have the latest version of the ati drivers for this new card
[06:45] <rhpot1991> ah ok
[06:45] <sshirley> ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro
[06:46] <sshirley> But I think it's on actually. Hmmm. I might need to investigate that.
[06:46] <sshirley> I mean I believe the restricted manager is on
[06:47] <sshirley> I wonder if that would be in Ubuntu 8.10
[06:47] <hugolp> I upgraded to .21 yesterday, and I have two isues
[06:47] <hugolp> while watching live tv the osd flickers
[06:47] <hugolp> thats in both my computers
[06:48] <hugolp> and also alt+tab does weird things while Mythtv is on (either using Qt and opengl) (Im using Compiz)
[06:48] <sshirley> Ok, rhpo1991....I gotta go to bed. Thanks for all your help!
[06:48] <rhpot1991> np sshirley
[06:48] <rhpot1991> hugolp: flickers like when it fades away?
[06:49] <hugolp> rhpot1991:  its more like its not solid
[06:50] <hugolp> like its on and off really quick
[06:50] <hugolp> you dont see the on and off but feel theres flickering
[06:50] <hugolp> dont know if flicker is the righ word in english
[06:51] <hugolp> the osd is fine while using mythvideo
[06:51] <hugolp> and in the first seconds of watching livetv when the screen is black waiting for image, but as soon as image comes in, the osd flearkers
[06:51] <hugolp> flickers
[06:51] <hugolp> but only in live tv
[06:53] <rhpot1991> hugolp: only osd things I know of is the osd fade checkbox under the playback profiles
[06:53] <rhpot1991> you can try that, but it doesn't sound like your problem, it will studder when it goes to fade away
[06:55] <hugolp> no
[06:55] <hugolp> it sounds more like a bug
[06:55] <rhpot1991> check the mailing list?
[06:55] <hugolp> rhpot1991:  what improvements has .21 besides mythweb streaming?
[06:55] <rhpot1991> hugolp: a lot
[06:55] <hugolp> cause I am thinking I might go back to .20
[06:55] <hugolp> rhpot1991:  like?
[06:56] <rhpot1991> looking to see if I can find you a list
[06:56] <rhpot1991> storage groups is a big one
[06:56] <rhpot1991> upnp
[06:56] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21
[06:59] <hugolp> multirec is good
[07:00] <rhpot1991> I'd say to post in the forums and on the mailing lists
[07:00] <rhpot1991> and see if anyone has an answer, start filing bug reports if not
[07:01] <hugolp> rhpot1991:  mythbuntu or mythtv directly?
[07:04] <rhpot1991> for what the bugs?
[07:05] <rhpot1991> hugolp: http://www.mythbuntu.org/support
[07:05] <rhpot1991> links for the forums and mailing lists there
[07:10] <javatexan> lol...still installing...
[07:12] <hugolp> thanks rhpot1991
[07:12] <rhpot1991> np hugolp
[07:37]  * tritium wonders why mythtv-doc is about to be uninstalled, not by his choice
[08:10] <javatexan> okay...where is the source...I did the latest weeklybuild, but I cant find the mythtv source
[08:13] <javatexan> oh well...gotta go to bed for tonight....goodnight
[13:40] <MythbuntuGuest18> Nikas
[15:36] <Beanos> hello.. just installed mythtv on my ubuntu system and need some help, anyone game?
[15:36] <surlyjake> dish
[15:37] <rhpot1991_laptop> !ask | Beanos
[15:37] <ubotu> Beanos: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[15:37] <Beanos> roger.. I think I have't set up my mysql properly or something\when I run mythtv-setup it says can't read data base?\
[15:37] <Beanos> as I said, I just installed
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> Beanos: maybe you set the mysql root password and are using that instead of the mythtv one?
[15:38] <Beanos> haven't done anything radical, just tried to run the setup program. Running kubuntu 7.10
[15:38] <Beanos> no when installing it asked about setting a root pw for mysql, I left it blank
[15:38] <rhpot1991_laptop> ok, good
[15:39] <Beanos> do I need to initialize the db or something?
[15:39] <rhpot1991_laptop> are you sure you have the correct password for your mythtv mysql user then?
[15:39] <Beanos> not a clue how do I  check?
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> well first tell me this, what version of mythtv?
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> dpkg -l mythtv-backend
[15:40] <rhpot1991_laptop> will tell you that
[15:40] <Beanos> standby
[15:41] <npurciful_> superm1:  you here man?
[15:41] <Beanos> is there a paste bin here? or just cut and paste to screen?
[15:41] <rhpot1991_laptop> !pastebin | Beanos
[15:41] <ubotu> Beanos: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:42] <Beanos> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59486/
[15:43] <Beanos> thanks rhpot1991_laptop
[15:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> Beanos: in that version I believe there is an /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file
[15:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> check that
[15:43] <Beanos> ok on it standby in /etc?
[15:43] <rhpot1991_laptop> /etc/mythtv
[15:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> should contain your mysql user and password
[15:45] <Beanos> rhpot1991_laptop http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59487/
[15:45] <Beanos> so make sure its in the setup and I should be on my way?
[15:45] <Beanos> excellent
[15:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> yep
[15:46] <rhpot1991_laptop> also might not want to pastebin your passwords :P
[15:48] <Beanos> true, however.. the machine is standalone, if I get hacked oh well
[15:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> Beanos: see if you can modify that pastebin to remove the password, just incase
[15:48] <Beanos> lol
[15:48] <rhpot1991_laptop> heh, ok
[15:49] <Beanos> It has happened, but on a web app
[15:59] <Beanos> and it works.. Just need to load the drivers for my carfds and I should be up and running
[16:02] <Beanos> any clue where to get the drivers for PVR-500 cards to run under ubuntu?
[16:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> Beanos: should work out of the box
[16:03] <Beanos> hmm well wen I run the setup it dosn't see the video device
[16:03] <Beanos> do I need to create the devices?
[16:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> shouldn't need to
[16:03] <rhpot1991_laptop> try to sudo modprobe ivtv
[16:03] <Beanos> ok
[16:04] <Beanos> nad
[16:04] <Beanos> nada
[16:04] <Beanos> something she is missing?
[16:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> errored or ran without saying anything?
[16:04] <Beanos> ran without saying anything
[16:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats a good thing
[16:04] <Beanos> try to run setup again?
[16:04] <rhpot1991_laptop> try the setup again
[16:04] <Beanos> roger
[16:07] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  I checked the forums yesterday and didnt find anything about ficklering in the osd, where should I report the bug?
[16:07] <Beanos> ok when I designate the capture device, it says failed to probe and no option to add like video0 or anything like that
[16:07] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[16:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: did you post in the forum?
[16:08] <hugolp> rhpot1991_laptop:  no
[16:08] <hugolp> should I?
[16:08] <rhpot1991_laptop> hugolp: I'd do that first
[16:08] <hugolp> I was lazy cause the registering thing :-P
[16:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> might be a simple fix that someone in there could tell you
[16:10] <Beanos> I even tried to type /dev/video0 into the line, no joy
[16:10] <Beanos> I am missing smehting obviously
[16:11] <directhex|work> do you have a /dev/video0 and /dev/video1?
[16:11] <Beanos> ok in the /dev directory no video
[16:11] <Beanos> 1 2 or otherwise
[16:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> dmesg |grep ivtv
[16:12] <directhex|work> hm. and you modprobed ivtv? strange. pastebin the contents of "dmesg"
[16:12] <rhpot1991_laptop> and pastebin it
[16:12] <Beanos> ok
[16:14] <Beanos> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59490/
[16:14] <Beanos> ok that is odd
[16:14] <Beanos> I have no firmware directory
[16:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> is your system up to date?
[16:15] <Beanos> I just installed the software (total install kubuntu 7.10 right before I installed myth
[16:15] <rhpot1991_laptop> sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:15] <Beanos> seems the firmware on the capture card is the problem
[16:16] <directhex|work> odd, that file is 262144 bytes for me
[16:16] <Beanos> new version of myth?
[16:16] <directhex|work> it's in /lib/firmware/$(uname -r)
[16:16] <rhpot1991_laptop> directhex|work: I suspect that his box is out of date, if he just installed and didn't upgrade anything off of the cd
[16:17] <directhex|work> it's not part of myth, it's in the linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r) package
[16:18] <Beanos> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59491/
[16:18] <Beanos> well how is ythat for updated?
[16:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> mine is 262144 as well
[16:18] <Beanos> I didn't install myth until I had already updated it all
[16:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> maybe its a kubuntu issue?
[16:18] <directhex|work> kubuntu has the same kernel as ubuntu
[16:19] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats what I thought
[16:19] <Beanos> hmm I have nothing in my /lib/firmwatre directory
[16:20] <Beanos> I am guessing I need something in there?
[16:20] <frank_> Beanos: do you have the linux-ubuntu-modules package installed?
[16:20] <directhex|work> Beanos, so install the linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r) package
[16:20] <Beanos> Unknown if I have them installed
[16:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> try to install then
[16:20] <Beanos> apt-get install ???
[16:21] <rhpot1991_laptop> what directhex|work said
[16:21] <directhex|work> actually, what kernel are you running? (uname -r)
[16:21] <directhex|work> you should really have the package already, courtesy of the linux-generic or linux-rt or whatever metapackage
[16:22] <directhex|work> whatever "uname -r" ends with, install "linux-foo", e.g. "linux-generic"
[16:22] <directhex|work> then try it again
[16:22] <Beanos> 2.6.22-14-generic
[16:26] <Beanos> well they are not installed
[16:26] <Beanos> when I look I get this
[16:26] <Beanos> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59493/
[16:26] <Beanos> so off to find the meta-package
[16:28] <directhex|work> didn't i tell you to install linux-generic, like, 4 minutes ago?
[16:29] <Beanos> directhex|work I have it installed, just not the modules
[16:30] <directhex|work> Beanos, "dpkg -l linux-generic | grep ^ii" shows it's installed?
[16:32] <Beanos> directhex|work dpkg  shows its not installed installing now
[16:41] <Beanos> well its installed, I suppose I need to reboot damn it. be back in a bit
[16:44] <tyce_> anyone else realize that mythweb no longer posts the full url?  so now after selecting a recording, you can't hit the back button and have to it go right back to the day and time you scheduling for?
[17:25] <[_Snarf_]> What does the permissions/owner of the "video storage directory" need to be?  I think I want to start fresh with the svn copy
[17:53] <frank_> [_Snarf_]: with synaptic search for mythtv, and select 'completely remove'
[17:54] <[_Snarf_]> that dump directories and such?
[17:55] <frank_> I think so. you can check after you remove
[18:13] <Koffa> js-download -page for isos o,O
[18:34] <foxbuntu___> TehSnarf, you can do the followng to clear it out: sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv
[20:49] <camelreef> good evening from Scotland
[20:50] <JThundley> hello gentlemen
[20:50] <JThundley> all your alcohol are belong to scotland
[20:50] <a1fa_> all your mom belong to me
[20:51] <camelreef> hmmm
[20:52] <camelreef> I can see that I hype of the .21 release passed
[20:52] <a1fa_> 0.21 is nice
[20:52] <a1fa_> i've used svn
[20:52] <camelreef> it is
[20:52] <a1fa_> =)
[22:22] <copyofjohan> hi, i tried mythbuntu on hardy. Installed Hardy command-line system. Installed mythbuntu-desktop and mythtv-backend. now my problem: My HDD-access-led is blinking all the time. After stoping mythtv-backend this behavior disappears. IS that a bug?.
[22:23] <directhex> what kind of tv card are you using?
[22:23] <copyofjohan> hauppauge wintv pci
[22:24] <directhex> framegrabber?
[22:25] <copyofjohan> I dont know, I just installed like I said and did nothing else.
[22:25] <copyofjohan> how can I test?
[22:25] <directhex> analog card? dirt cheap?
[22:26] <copyofjohan> yeah sounds like my tvcard...
[22:27] <copyofjohan> not to forget: about 5 years old
[22:28] <directhex> hm. shouldn't be related then. the problem is definitely with the backend and not the frontend?
[22:28] <frank23> somebody the other day was complaining about a big memory leak.... could be swap filling up?
[22:29] <copyofjohan> no, swap is empty.
[22:30] <frank23> copyofjohan: is the backend running now?
[22:30] <copyofjohan> yes
[22:31] <tgm4883_laptop> upnp?
[22:31] <hugolp> hi, when I change the go to settings -> aspect and re-render the them, then alt+tab starts doing very weird things (I am using copmiz)
[22:31] <hugolp> anyone having similar problem?
[22:32] <copyofjohan> directhex: Yes I think its the backend. When executing: "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop" the blinkin stops.
[22:32] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, not sure why the disk could be active for that though
[22:33] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, sec, i thought i remembered seeing a bug about that
[22:33] <tgm4883_laptop> or maybe that was just a memory leak too
[22:34] <rico42955> ok ask about sasc here?
[22:34] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[22:34] <directhex> no
[22:34] <directhex> nor anywhere mythtv related. sasc is actively hated by all mythtv developers
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop> you can ask about it in #rico42955, although i'm not sure you will get much of an answer
[22:35] <rico42955> i understand, so its not something needed to get mythtv working?
[22:35] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[22:36] <tgm4883_laptop> you can run mythtv without it
[22:36] <copyofjohan> I think I found the Problem: mythtv cant connect to MYSQL-Server and is retrying all the time.
[22:36] <rico42955> oh
[22:36] <directhex> it's needed to gain illegal access to stolen satellite signals, that's about it
[22:37] <rico42955> ah i thought it might help me get mythtv working
[22:37] <tgm4883_laptop> ?
[22:37] <tgm4883_laptop> rico42955, is there a problem with your setup?
[22:37] <tgm4883_laptop> first^^
[22:37] <tgm4883_laptop> and second
[22:38] <tgm4883_laptop> why if you thought it would help get your mythtv setup working would you ask "ok ask about sasc here?"
[22:38] <rico42955> i've installed it but don't have any short cuts to start it
[22:40] <rico42955> from what i've been reading about it, yes i know it's nature, i was wondering if a part of it was needed to get a signal from my card
[22:40] <tgm4883_laptop> what card?
[22:40] <rico42955> twinhan 102g
[22:42] <directhex> can't find any such card on twinhan.com
[22:44] <rico42955> yeah i've noticed that, that's what the box says
[22:44] <directhex> also can't find any such identifier on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TwinHan
[22:49] <rico42955> its about 3 yrs old wondering if its the 1020 it does have the desc. of DST-03T
[22:52] <directhex> do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0 folder?
[22:53] <rico42955> uh yes
[22:53] <directhex> okay, the tv card is already working then, in theory
[22:54] <directhex> so set it up in mythtv-setup
[22:56] <ahave> hello room. could someone advise me on hardware recomendations (on what to avoid) for an upcoming mythtv project?
[22:56] <tgm4883_laptop> avoid ati
[22:56] <ahave> my last custom linux box (car pc) i ended up getting not so nice hardware
[22:56] <rico42955> i have tried, it sees the card
[22:57] <tgm4883_laptop> ahave, what do you plan on doing with it
[22:57] <ahave> tgm4883, HD video play back mostly
[22:57] <ahave> off network of blueray dvd
[22:58] <ahave> tgm4883, cable cards and such might be added at a later date. but for now it will just be a movie media box
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC anything dual core should be able to handle that
[22:58] <tgm4883_laptop> grab an nvidia 7 or 8 and you should be good to go
[22:59] <tgm4883_laptop> it's been awhile since i built a machine
[22:59] <directhex> rico42955, run through mythtv-setup. complete ALL STEPS, IN ORDER.
[23:00] <directhex> rico42955, make sure you set up the diseqc settings correctly (i.e. tell it you have no diseqc switch if you have no diseqc switch)
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> rico42955, what do you have hooked up to your card?
[23:00] <directhex> i don't know the specifics on diseqc config
[23:00] <ahave> tgm4883_laptop, what about motherboards? anychip sets better than others?
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> err
[23:00] <directhex> ahave, intel's best. nvidia next
[23:00] <tgm4883_laptop> i want to say i've heard bad tings about via chipsets
[23:00] <directhex> ahave, beyond that, whatever - there's much suck
[23:01] <tgm4883_laptop> follow what directhex said
[23:01] <directhex> tgm4883, their modern chipsets are fine. it's the athlon era they sucked
[23:01] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[23:01] <rico42955> I have the card cabled to an old primestar dish
[23:02] <ahave> not to start an intel vs amd war.. but for video codec ... what is a better choice?
[23:02]  * tgm4883_laptop prefers his C2D
[23:10] <rhpot1991> c2d tests better, but is it worth 2x as much is the question
[23:11] <tgm4883_laptop> dont listen to rhpot1991, he is a hippy
[23:12] <rhpot1991> with a pretty new amd x2 5000+
[23:12] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[23:12] <directhex> depends on what your minmum requirements are
[23:12] <tgm4883_laptop> beats my 3800+
[23:13] <ahave> blueray playbac
[23:13] <directhex> to do european hd, for example, will take at least a 1.8ghz core 2 duo - or about 2.4ghz of amd
[23:13] <rhpot1991> tgm4883_laptop: newegg had 6400+'s on sale for a great price, I wanted one
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> i'm also sure that amd has caught up by now, but it's really nice that on my C2D the fan barely runs
[23:13] <rhpot1991> but it needs 2x the cooling power and finding a cpu cooler for the antec fusion is a pain already
[23:13] <directhex> blu-ray will need a decent cpu
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, see, thats why you need a cooler cpu
[23:13] <rhpot1991> also worth nothing I have some amd and intc stock, and intc is destroying it
[23:13] <tgm4883_laptop> like mine, it has a racing stripe and a fin
[23:14] <tgm4883_laptop> I should really run some sort of benchmark on mine, see how they compare
[23:14] <tgm4883_laptop> rather than how it feels
[23:14] <directhex> tgm4883_laptop, depends on the app. 25% faster on intel in most cases
[23:15] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[23:16] <rhpot1991> directhex there are certain apps the amd cpu's are better at though
[23:16] <tgm4883_laptop> directhex, while thats true, it would be nice to know which of my 2 systems are better.  Heck, i dont even know if the two processors are in the same class
[23:16] <directhex> rhpot1991, sure. 99% ram-bound apps, such as modelsim
[23:16] <rhpot1991> and there is always that price difference
[23:17] <directhex> on paper, intel is twice as fast per clock than amd (and only 50% faster for phenom). in practice, that difference is less
[23:17] <rhpot1991> it was $100+ for me to take a step back in the power and get a c2d instead, plus not as nice of a board
[23:35] <ed3120> hello
[23:35] <tgm4883_laptop> !ask | ed3120
[23:35] <ubotu> ed3120: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:37] <ed3120> I just did a reinstall of 8.04A2 and I want to import my db.  When I perform     sudo mysql -u mythtv -p 'drop database mythconverg'   (the first step of importing the database) I get ERROR 1049 (42000) after entering the correct password
[23:38] <ed3120> a google search says it's a privilege issue, but I'm running it as sudo?
[23:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ed3120, get a newer alpha
[23:38] <tgm4883_laptop> the current one is alpha 4
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> secondly
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> your problem is the -p, and the sudo
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> first question
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> did you make a password for the root mysql user?
[23:40] <ed3120> no i did not ...this is a fresh install.
[23:40] <directhex> then don't use -p
[23:40] <directhex> or -u mythtv, infact
[23:40] <ed3120> should i still use sudo?
[23:40] <directhex> just use "sudo mysql"
[23:40] <tgm4883_laptop> and probably not sudo
[23:41] <ed3120> hmmm
[23:41] <ed3120> i tried: mysql 'drop database mythconverg'
[23:42] <ed3120> i tried: mysql -u mythtv 'drop database mythconverg'
[23:42] <ed3120> sudo mysql -u mythtv 'drop database mythconverg'
[23:42] <directhex> so every combo except the one i suggested!
[23:42] <ed3120> sudo mysql 'drop database mythconverg'
[23:42] <Alowishus> no need for sudo since Linux permissions don't play into the equation
[23:42] <directhex> Alowishus, sue they do. uid0 gets full passwordless root access to mysql on ubuntu systems
[23:43] <ed3120> directhex - you mean just go in with "sudo mysql" and run commands from there?
[23:43] <tgm4883_laptop> ed3120, is this db from a .20 install?
[23:43] <Alowishus> mysql -umythtv 'drop database mythconverg'
[23:43] <Alowishus> umm oh wait, -uroot probably
[23:43] <Alowishus> directhex: but you can lie and do 'mysql -uroot' too, no?
[23:44] <directhex> Alowishus, try it.
[23:44] <ed3120> ok.... "mysql -uroot 'drop database mythconverg'" gave me something
[23:44] <ed3120> error 1049 (42000)
[23:45] <ed3120> "mysql -umythtv 'drop database mythconverg'" didn't work
[23:45] <directhex> ed3120, do me a favour and do "show databases"
[23:45] <Alowishus> directhex: yeah, has nothing to do with acutal Unix user id
[23:45] <Alowishus> directhex: mysql -uroot gives me full passwordless root access
[23:45] <Alowishus> directhex: even when run from my standard user account
[23:46] <directhex> how deliciously secure
[23:46] <Alowishus> directhex: hehe it's definitely not, but that's just how MySQL works... out of the box, the root user account is passwordless... msot distros will set up a big WARNING telling you to set one, and I think Ubuntu generally does that with debconf
[23:46] <ed3120> mysql> show databases;
[23:47] <ed3120> just returns:
[23:47] <ed3120> Database
[23:47] <ed3120> information_schmema
[23:47] <Alowishus> ed3120: you could always bypass the drop crap and just do 'mysqladmin -uroot drop mythconverg'
[23:47] <directhex> ed3120, guess why you can't drop mythconverg then
[23:47] <Alowishus> err bypass the mysql command line client I mean
[23:48] <ed3120> i'm guessing because it isn't there?
[23:48] <directhex> ed3120, you guess correctly. that was always the problem. that's what error 1049 is
[23:49] <ed3120> so now i'm trying: "mysql -umythtv 'create database mythconverg'"
[23:49] <ed3120> error again
[23:50] <Alowishus> mythtv user probably can't create databases
[23:50] <ed3120> i'm just trying to follow the db restore at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/Feisty
[23:50] <Alowishus> try "mysql -uroot 'create database mythconverg'"
[23:51] <ed3120> error 1049 (42000): unknown database 'create database mythconverg'
[23:51] <Alowishus> ah
[23:51] <Alowishus> that makes sense
[23:51] <Alowishus> the mysql command line expects you to give it a db name before operatinons
[23:51] <Alowishus> try
[23:52] <Alowishus> mysql -uroot mysql 'create database mythconverg'
[23:52] <Alowishus> alternately
[23:52] <Alowishus> mysqladmin -uroot create mythconverg
[23:53] <ed3120> first line just showed the mysql help
[23:53] <ed3120> i guess there was an error
[23:53] <ed3120> second line returned: mysqladmin: CREATE DATABASE failed; error: 'Can't create database 'mythconverg'; database exists'
[23:54] <Alowishus> ok
[23:54] <Alowishus> so it never got dropped
[23:54] <Alowishus> mysqladmin -uroot drop mythconverg
[23:54] <Alowishus> let me know what that says
[23:54] <ed3120> it's asking me if i want to do it
[23:54] <ed3120> i'll answer yes
[23:54] <Alowishus> assuming you have a backup, yes :)
[23:55] <ed3120> ok, i assume now "mysqladmin -uroot create mythconverg"
[23:55] <ed3120> it took that line
[23:56] <Alowishus> yep now you have a clean database
[23:56] <ed3120> now i want to pull in my mythconverg.sql.gz backup file
[23:56] <Alowishus> zcat /var/backups/mythconverg.sql.gz | mysql -uroot mythconverg
[23:58] <ed3120> it took it without errors
[23:59] <ed3120> i'm restarting the backend now
[23:59] <Alowishus> you should be done then
[23:59] <Alowishus> cool
[23:59] <ed3120> crap one issue


[03:51] <keithzg[m]> Something I feel like is worth mentioning is that there's a whole new crop of Linux users out there now that is liable to expect to open a thing called Discover and then install Flatpaks---though they might not know what Flatpaks are. I mention this because this is the official way to install additional applications on the Steam Deck. And this isn't really a problem as long as the things they're installing via Discover on their Steam
[03:51] <keithzg[m]> Decks are also in Discover via Apt and Snap! But it seemed worth pointing out in terms of how average and/or inexpert users might find the Kubuntu experience out of the box.
[04:18] <valorie> good point, keithzg[m]
[04:49] -queuebot:#kubuntu-devel- Builds: Kubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.2] has been updated (20230223)
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[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:08] <mparillo> Looks like there is a respin of the ISOs: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/442/builds/272152/testcases
[14:52] <ahoneybun[m]> Rik Mills can you change the email for the twitter account?
[14:52] <tsimonq2> I have access via TweetDeck if you need it :)
[14:53] <ahoneybun[m]> I mainly just need someone to post on there as well.
[14:54] <ahoneybun[m]> "New ISO spin to test for 22.04.2! Test test test!
[14:54] <ahoneybun[m]> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/442/builds/272152/testcases"
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[15:02] <tsimonq2> That's new :/
[15:02] <ahoneybun[m]> Ohhh
[15:02] <ahoneybun[m]> The Twitter API's are paid only now so maybe that?
[15:02] <ahoneybun[m]> The Twitter API's are paid only now so maybe that?
[15:02] <ahoneybun[m]> Oh no it's official twitter
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[00:04] <TheDrums> Heh, well figured it'd be nice to ask, but as it is very little data, shouldn't be an issue at all.
[00:05] <daker> TheDrums: and i think they are aware of that
[00:09] <TheDrums> For that matter, Mint or others using like that may be using it, and my use case wouldn't be close to that high. :P


[14:56] <knome> it's called snap store, does it only install snaps?
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[01:39] <jamesh> robert_ancell: packagekit-control is merged to master, so you should be able to experiment with it once the next version of core is released on the edge channel
[01:39] <jamesh> hopefully appstream-metadata goes in today
[02:08] <robert_ancell> nice!
[05:17] <didrocks> good morning
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[05:57] <jibel> hi all
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[06:35] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
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[08:03] <willcooke> morning
[08:10] <Trevinho> morning
[08:12] <duflu> Morning willcooke and Trevinho
[08:13] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[11:03] <didrocks> cking: hey! I'm wondering if we didn't get hit by a regression in zfs 0.8. (bug #1837717). I wonder if this is forcibly upstream or if we have distro patch you know of that can impact the ordering?
[11:03] <cking> didrocks, we don't have many patches on zfs nowadays, so it's probably an upstream issue
[11:04] <cking> i'll try and get around to this asap, but I have some high priority contract work to do first
[11:04] <didrocks> cking: sure, meanwhile, I'm trying -3 from debian, just in case
[11:10] <didrocks> confirming that 0.8.1-3 can reproduce the issue
[11:19] <didrocks> cking: it seems to be quite close to https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/8833
[11:19] <didrocks> and so https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/pull/8878
[11:19] <didrocks> if you don't have time, mind if I cherry-pick/test?
[11:20] <cking> didrocks, yep, try it. does ZFS_SERIAL_MOUNT help?
[11:20] <didrocks> cking: I'm looking
[11:23] <didrocks> cking: can't reproduce the issue with it exported, indeed. Ok, so it seems it won't be as horrible as it sounded to be :)
[11:23] <didrocks> I'll give some good testing and probably upload next week
[11:23] <cking> didrocks, +1 thanks
[11:24] <didrocks> yw ;)
[11:57] <kenvandine> tjaalton: I built an Hyper-V image with your PPA enabled and confirmed if fixes bug 1817225
[11:57] <kenvandine> tjaalton: can you SRU that?
[12:45] <hggdh> the membership on Bugconntrol for the Canonical Desktop Team expited yesterday. Is this on purpose, or would you want it re-instated?
[13:10] <jibel> hggdh, not on purpose. Can you add it back?
[13:10] <jibel> please
[13:16] <hggdh> jibel: on it
[13:17] <hggdh> jibel: done
[13:18] <jibel> hggdh, thank you
[13:18] <jibel> willcooke, ^
[13:20] <willcooke> ah nice one, thanks hggdh!
[13:20] <willcooke> I emailed Brian, I will unemail him
[13:20] <hggdh> willcooke: no need, I re-added it in.
[13:21] <willcooke> yeah, just telling Brian that he doesn't need to do anything
[13:22] <tjaalton> kenvandine: yep
[13:23] <tjaalton> kenvandine: infinity told me this isn't rc for .3 though
[13:23] <tjaalton> release critical
[13:23] <kenvandine> bummer
[13:23] <kenvandine> we need it to be able to release the hyper-v image :/
[13:23] <tjaalton> since cloud images are dailies
[13:23] <kenvandine> this isn't a usual cloud image
[13:24] <tjaalton> ok, talk to him then
[13:24] <kenvandine> this gets published in microsoft's hyper-v quick create gallery
[13:24] <kenvandine> infinity: ^^
[13:24] <kenvandine> bug 1817225 blocks the hyper-v desktop image of 18.04.3 that microsoft publishes in their gallery
[13:25] <kenvandine> these aren't dailies like other cloud images
[13:27] <tjaalton> it doesn't block the sru though, just a question of priority
[13:29] <kenvandine> understood
[13:30] <tjaalton> hum, i'll grab my laptop and upload it to the queue...
[13:31] <kenvandine> tjaalton: thanks!
[13:40] <tjaalton> kenvandine: maybe you could test another version, which only builds xorgxrdp?
[13:41] <kenvandine> you mean just xorgxrdp-hwe-18.04?
[13:41] <kenvandine> which depends on xrdp?
[13:43] <tjaalton> kenvandine: it doesn't depend on xrdp, but provides xorgxrdp which I hope is enough to fix installing xrdp..
[13:43] <tjaalton> the dep is the other way around
[13:43] <kenvandine> ah
[13:43] <kenvandine> ok, i can try that
[13:55] <tjaalton> kenvandine: actually, you should be able to simulate it by replacing xrdp-hwe-18.04 with xrdp
[13:56] <tjaalton> if you have an instance with it in disposal
[13:56] <tjaalton> in/at
[13:57] <tjaalton> would cut the time needed to verify this theory
[13:59] <kenvandine> sure
[14:13] <kenvandine> tjaalton: yes, that works
[14:13] <kenvandine> with xorgxrdp-hwe-18.04 and xrdp installed
[14:15] <tjaalton> kenvandine: oh cool
[14:15] <tjaalton> I'll upload that version then
[14:16] <tjaalton> thanks
[14:17] <kenvandine> tjaalton: thank you!
[14:19] <tjaalton> yw
[14:19] <tjaalton> and now I'm off again ->
[15:13] <infinity> kenvandine: Where/how are the hyperv images built?
[15:13] <kenvandine> fginther's team builds them
[15:14] <infinity> kenvandine: So, they're cloud images. :P
[15:14] <kenvandine> in the past i was adhoc
[15:14] <kenvandine> but we are formalizing it a bit more
[15:14] <kenvandine> but they aren't quite like cloud images
[15:14] <infinity> And what's put in the store is a blessed daily that all parties decide is good to go.
[15:14] <kenvandine> we have to publish a version on partner-images and microsoft has to update their gallery to point to it
[15:14] <kenvandine> it's not a rolling thing
[15:14] <infinity> It's not part of my .3 release process.
[15:14] <infinity> Yes, I know how the gallery works.
[15:15] <kenvandine> yeah, but we try to give them the image as close to release as possible
[15:15] <infinity> Just because we don't upload them daily doesn't mean it's not a cloud image that follows the same out-of-cadence non-rules.
[15:15] <kenvandine> ok
[15:16] <infinity> Anyhow, given the hwe thingee is a NEW package with an entirely new binary, I don't imagine it'll be a big deal to get it through, just that I personally don't view it as an on fire RC thing for my point release, s'all.
[16:59] <oSoMoN> have a good evening/rest of the day everyone!
[17:07] <willcooke> night all


 @mitya57 https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-council-meeting-30th-january-2024/
 so obviously scarelett will have a big interest in Qy updates
 /me waves to @sgmoore
 Hi! Thank you


[00:31] <Wild_Man> Hello, is all the publishing all ready done?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: You were late to the party :P
[00:35] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, I figured I was, I just got home been doing solid labor all day
[00:36] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: That makes skeeping a real good thing :D
[00:37] <Bashing-om> sleeping *
[00:37] <Wild_Man> Indeed I am tired Bashing-om
[03:29] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Heh, you've managed to make the whole issue in the email appear as the signature. >_>  And I believe this is the second time, might have been with the notification email the first time though.
[03:32] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Shucks - guess I was distracted before I hit that send button.
[03:54] <krytarik> Bashing-om: So I see in the Meeting Reports section you've decided to flip from consistency between the various items to just using the link titles - if you look at the current issue with the first in mind, you might want to overthink your decision.  Also, wrt which Discourse thread to link in issue, i.e. a) the one dated within the range the issue covers or b) the one that got compiled ...
[03:54] <krytarik> ... within that range, I think in the case of the first being a Monday, I'm fine going with the latter.
[03:57] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I am so confused as to what you want - I changed it to what I thought you wanted. If you will change it in Gdoc to your preference I will follow.
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[07:07] <jacek__> hi
 Hi when I try to Install curl on Lunar Lobster it says this instead:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 curl: Depends: libcurl4 (- 7.86.0-2) but 7.88.1-7ubuntul is to be installed
 Any suggestions? I tried removing libcurl4 but then it would remove many other essential packages that I'd need for my system.
[10:26] <diogenes_Vx15> Gecko250, somehow i didn't find any Lunar Lobster to download on the official Ubuntu page.
 https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15> Gecko250, somehow i didn't find any Lunar Lobster to download on the official Ubuntu page.)
[10:37] <diogenes_Vx15> Gecko250, it says daily-build ^^^^ not even close to stable.
 w0d7 (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 w0D7 (re @join_captcha_bot: )
 Yes it's still dev branch won't be official till April 20 I believe. (re @IrcsomeBot: <diogenes_Vx15> Gecko250, it says daily-build ^^^^ not even close to stable.)
[11:24] <diogenes_Vx15> Gecko250, that's why you may encounter many issues with dependencies at this stage.
[15:07] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:37] <user|92> Running Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS and I have a strange issue that has been with me since installing a few months ago. Sometimes when I boot my computer, I get the GRUB menu, select Kubuntu, and it gives me an error saying I need to load the kernel first. It will keep giving me that error over and over, then I go into the recovery console by hitting c and
[15:37] <user|92> then just type exit and select Kubuntu again and it boots fine. Not sure what to do with this. Anyone have a suggestion?
[15:43] <diogenes_Vx15> user|92, you can try: sudo update-grub
[15:48] <user|92> Ran it and it seemed happy.
[15:49] <user|92> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[15:49] <user|92> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg'
[15:49] <user|92> Generating grub configuration file ...
[15:49] <user|92> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.15.0-69-generic
[15:49] <user|92> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-5.15.0-69-generic
[20:25] <code2be> Hello, Just want to tell how much more safe I feel when I got back using Desktop Mail Client like KMail, it's so long years since I used a desktop mail client. Webmail is good, but we really need to have local copies of our emails, imagine a moment when you need some important message, and for some _unknown_ reason, gmail is down or unreachable ? .. Sorry if it was long message, just wanted to share.
[23:46] <user|76> hi so i noticed that with the dolphin file manager if you have a few files open on the bottom taskbar when you go to view them before you click to enlarge them it shows the name of the file great but it has a picture of the okular symbol a book how can it be changed to show a screenshot of the document like in windows or Macs


[00:07] <j-live> Good evening... Have a current issue with x11 on a karmic laptop with an intel 830gm int. graphics chipset, from initial install it boots straight to black screen. to which i can tty in and out of... any response would be apprieciated :)
[00:13] <charlie-tca> ryanrhee90: not that I know of. You might want to get the alternate image and try it. It does not use the graphical installer
[00:14] <ryanrhee90> charlie-tca thanks, i'll try that.
[00:14] <charlie-tca> Good luck with the install
[00:15] <charlie-tca> It is possible the graphics will not work for you
[00:16] <j-live> i have heard of there being issues with them, i have had 1 ubuntu based distro working on it before...
[01:29] <justin__> hello everyone
[01:31] <justin__> anyone active?
[01:32] <charlie-tca> !question | jussi01
[01:33] <charlie-tca> Justin__ ^^
[01:34] <justin__> lol ok, I'm having a problem with pidgin. the notifications are all blacked out. and this is my first day with linux lol just wondering if there is a quick fix
[05:28] <marenostrum> DNS evil
[06:54] <Balsaq> swededn wins gold!
[07:06] <Myrtti> . o O ( don't they always )
[08:17] <john> Hi - I'm currently running Xubuntu 9.10 & was considering trying to update my Firefox installation from 3.5.7 to the newest 3.6 - anybody know of any particular reasons why this may be a bad idea or do you think I am good to give it a try?
[08:18] <Myrtti> if you don't have a specific need for a certain feature in the newest version, I don't really see the point
[08:19] <john> I do a lot of Javascript development - so I am interested in the improvements made to the Javascript Interpreter - as well as the continued updates and support for the new HTML5 Spec
[08:20] <john> I just installed Xubuntu 9.10 for the first time - giving it a try and I like what I see so far - but I was a little wary to try upgrading the Browser since I noticed it came with a slightly older version of Firefox
[08:24] <john> Normally I would just update it using the 'Update' features inside Firefox - but I can't seem to find it on the version of Firefox installed with Xubuntu =\
[08:25] <Myrtti> yeah, that's because the update system and philosophy is a bit different
[08:27] <Myrtti> john: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion gives information on how to do the leap if you really are sure you want to do it
[08:29] <john> Ah this link is great thank you - I see now that Firefox 3.6 hasn't been fully tested for Ubuntu yet so the update will just become available inside my update manager when it is
[08:30] <john> I can handle waiting a bit for it - I appreciate you finding this link for me though - pretty interesting to see the different release approach Ubuntu takes
[08:31] <Peacimowen> g'day. I've just installed xubuntu after being linux-free for a few years (to my shame), but am having trouble getting beyond 800x600 resolution
[08:32] <Peacimowen> Created a xorg.conf and added a custom modeline, but that seems to be ignored.
[08:32] <Peacimowen> Any idea what I can do next?
[08:38] <Balsaq> you could have the incorrect display driver
[08:38] <Peacimowen> I'm using nv with an nvidia card..
[08:38] <Balsaq> i had an issue using nv with nvidia card
[08:38] <Peacimowen> I suppose I could go and install the official driver
[08:42] <Balsaq> what version of xubuntu?
[08:44] <Peacimowen> 9.10
[08:47] <Balsaq> i would recommend 904
[08:48] <Peacimowen> What's wrong with 9.10?
[08:50] <Balsaq> i really don't know that there is something wrong, but have noticed that depending on the computer, 04 sometimes is better...thats all.
[08:51] <Peacimowen> ah
[08:51] <Balsaq> i noticed my computer, for exapmle seems to have been made for it...just by chance i guess
[08:52] <Peacimowen> I'll just keep playing until I can fix the graphics issue before switching to anything else.
[08:53] <Peacimowen> If I screw up badly I can always switch then.
[08:53] <Balsaq> i was fooling around trying to make my full screen resolution better using a different nvidia driver fron their site...but it messed up my desktop resolution. i then chose to let the xubuntu 904 configure it for me and it did a better job on its own. i was impressed.
[08:53] <Peacimowen> so far allowing auto configuration do its job has not helped me in the slightest
[08:54] <Peacimowen> I can lower the resolution all the way to 320x240...
[08:55] <Balsaq> what type of computer-specs
[08:55] <Peacimowen> P4 1GB ram, GeForce 7200
[08:55] <Balsaq> i have p4 512 rdram nvidia geforce mx420
[09:07] <Peacimowen> huh, well that actually worked.
[09:07] <Peacimowen> I have 1024x768 with nvidias own drivers
[09:09] <Peacimowen> and damn but I like having irssi running in screen so that I could stick around irc while playing with X
[09:28] <john> Any tips on improving flv video playback on xubuntu 9.10?  I have streamed videos from youtube without any problem on this same hardware using other OS's but playing the video using the included movie player - or streaming inside firefox results in very significant 'choppyness'
[09:29] <Myrtti> are you perchance running 64-bit?
[09:29] <dahaic> john: are you ati user? try restricted drivers
[09:30] <john> I have an integrated Intel chipset for the video - and it is a 32bit system
[09:30] <john> At the moment I am waiting on VLC to finish downloading - I am hoping maybe that will work?
[09:35] <john> Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device to be precise actually
[09:36] <john> Ah okay - VLC Player will playback the videos smoothly - I can just download the FLV from youtube & view it off my local machine - that solution works for me =)
[11:33] <rfgergrthnre> Yo
[12:05] <subspider> hi
[12:05] <subspider> do you guys know any software to amulate iso images??
[12:06] <subspider> emulate?
[12:06] <Myrtti> emulate? huh?
[12:06] <bazhang> you mean mount them?
[12:06] <subspider> yes
[12:07] <subspider> like if it was a xd
[12:07] <subspider> like for windows deamon tools
[12:07] <ablomen> mount -o loop file.iso /media/mountpoint
[12:07] <subspider> i try that
[12:08] <Myrtti> !iso | subspider
[12:08] <subspider> but nothing
[13:45] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ...  is the alternate CD same as the original xubuntu CD ?
[13:45] <knome> cobra-the-joker, the alternate CD installs the same system, though it doesn't have a graphical installer
[13:46] <cobra-the-joker> knome , thats fine
[15:15] <subspider> does anyone knows to work with php??
[15:15] <subspider> i need help with webservices
[15:19] <eXpl0i7> subspider: i'm just installed php, msql and apache :)
[15:19] <eXpl0i7> what problem you have?
[15:21] <subspider> do you know how to build a simple web service in php
[15:21] <subspider> ??
[15:21] <subspider> i'm getting frustrades eXpl0i7
[15:21] <eXpl0i7> do you have apache and mysql?
[15:22] <eXpl0i7> go to http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-apache2-with-php5-and-mysql-support-on-ubuntu-9.04-lamp
[15:23] <subspider> yes i do
[15:23] <subspider> i already have that
[15:23] <eXpl0i7> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[15:24] <eXpl0i7> open your browser
[15:24] <eXpl0i7> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[15:25] <subspider> yes i already did that i need help with webservices
[15:25] <subspider> is diferente
[15:25] <subspider> i'm using nusoap
[15:25] <subspider> is stupid
[15:26] <eXpl0i7> download this book http://kewlshare.com/dl/262b404cfe10/Setting_Up_LAMP__Getting_Linux__Apache__MySQL_and_PHP_Working_Together.rar.html
[15:27] <TheSheep> subspider: maybe you should now go to #php or the support channel for your particular framework
[15:28] <subspider> oh thanks really thanks man
[15:28] <subspider> thanks TheSheep
[15:32] <TheSheep> subspider: don't mention it
[15:58] <fark> I'm having a slight problem with X.org not loading, log: http://tinyurl.com/yko5ekp any ideas?
[17:20] <DBeets> So I think I just broke xfce
[17:20] <DBeets> when I try to login in, it accepts my pw but then x restarts
[17:21] <charlie-tca> What version?
[17:21] <DBeets> 9.1
[17:21] <charlie-tca> 9.10
[17:22] <charlie-tca> You can fix it by hitting Ctrl+Alt+F2, login, then remove ~/.cache and ~/.config
[17:22] <charlie-tca> Then restart
[17:22] <charlie-tca> then you will have to set up your preferences again, because it will have deleted all the custom settings you had
[17:23] <DBeets> well that does not sound like any fun at all.
[17:23] <DBeets> I know I should've taken a snapshot
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Nyup
[17:24] <DBeets> I'll keep all my packeges though, correct?
[17:36] <balvonas> good evening
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Good Evening, balvonas
[17:39] <balvonas> is there a network proxy settings manager for xubuntu? i use chrome, it does not have such option
[17:41] <balvonas> i mean some external program, i know that xfce does not have it
[18:31] <DBeets> charlie-tca: Got it fixed. Uninstalled smbfs and now it works fine. Phew!
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear it is working again.
[18:32] <DBeets> And now to take a snapshot :p
[18:50] <crystalsjoint> hey is there such a program to cleanup junk files on the hard drive in xubuntu?
[21:19] <pog> I have installed xubuntu on a memory stick, now, the menu for starting the program vanishes on the bar...
[21:19] <charlie-tca> !panel
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Also advice on how to put the menu back is in there.
[21:20] <pog> ah thanks!
[21:22] <pog> I'm not shure, whether it's a xubuntu problem, my xubuntu 9.10 Stick boots from a acer, but not from the shuttle. the shuttle cames to grub2 but grub only executes a command list and does nothing...
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Maybe the shuttle can't read the stick, such as it only reads USB 1.1 and the stick is in USB 2.0 ?
[21:26] <pog> grub menu is shown, but grub doe's seem to start the kernel...
[21:27] <pog> it starts with qemu, and on the acer laptop.
[21:27] <pog> probably not a xubuntu related problem, but other other usb-devices boot.
[21:28] <charlie-tca> Don't know. I don't know enough about booting from the usb sticks
[21:28] <pog> it also booted on an dell laptop...
[21:29] <pog> the strange thing ist that grub menu is shown...
[21:29] <pog> o.k probably not xubuntu related.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> balvonas: have you seen this on using proxies ? http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/25/proxies-in-the-way-of-testing/
[22:38] <youareno6> Is http://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad the best resource to alter the trackpad settings. Seems like it might be out of date.
[22:38] <youareno6> I am using 9.10
[22:55] <balvonas> charlie-tca: good post, may be useful some other time


[03:40] <Dylan_> Hey guys
[08:28] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:29] <lordievader> JanC: I find 100+ euros for keyboards still relatively expensive.
[08:47] <JanC> lordievader: they have older & cheaper keyboards with pre-MX/ML mechanical switches
[08:48] <lordievader> Well, I'm not against spending some money. I was just wondering if someone used them and what their experience with them was.
[08:52] <JanC> lordievader: you are aware that there are many different MX switches, right?
[08:52] <lordievader> Yes.
[09:19] <JanC> so, many different experiences too  :)
[09:21] <lordievader> Yeah, I know. Still just gathering information ;)
[16:12]  * daftykins looks at baja and shakes his head
[17:05] <izroil> I'm connecting using weechat. somebody help me how to use it pls
[17:06] <OerHeks> you are doing fine
[17:07] <izroil> whats other command should i know
[17:08] <OerHeks> I am not familiar with weechat, sure there is a manual for it
[17:08] <izroil> what kind app you use?
[17:11] <daftykins> just use what works for you, and don't ask for support in a channel with a topic that says "non-support discussion" :)
[17:11] <izroil> im sorry. fine. thanks


[21:33] <jbicha> just a heads up, I just filed bug 929126
[21:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 929126 in light-themes "Help viewer shows white text on white background in precise" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/929126


[01:31] <archpc> alright, quick question
[01:31] <archpc> https://i.imgur.com/IRqD8NR.png
[01:31] <archpc> any way to fix that?
[03:17] <mobile_c_> where are bashes aliases kept
[03:18] <mobile_c_> eg alias grep='grep --color=auto'
[03:18] <mobile_c_> cus i cant find them in /etc/bash.bashrc not ~/.bashrc
[07:10] <acheronuk> mobile_c_: /etc/skel/.bashrc which is what is copied to a new user's ~/.bashrc
[08:43] <mobile_c_> ok
[08:44] <sasso> hi, with today update i cannot longer use ALT+F2 or any other ALT+F? without triggering the switch of the TTY from the graphical tty
[08:44] <sasso> how do i revert it?
[08:44] <sasso> it's unreasonably annoying
[08:47] <sasso> like i can't work wanna kill somebody kind of annoying
[09:03] <acheronuk> sasso: has never happened for me, but LP #520546 & LP #1783859
[09:14] <sasso> acheronuk: thanks
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 I can confirm the issue on my Bionic install. Running `sudo kbd_mode -s` fixes it immediately for me
 @nggraham https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php/74254-Suggestion-make-File-Search-in-System-Settings-more-detailed
 yeah there are a lot of things we need to improve there
[13:10] <gt8ost4l> can anybody help me i get a file transfer dialog when i try to pass a file to a different directory?
[13:10] <gt8ost4l> i already tried the notication setting and still nothing!
[17:02] <bogdansima> Hello! I have a problem with Kmail that is not sending messages through IMAP folders. It uses Local folders and I've ran on every setting but I could not solve the problem. Can anyone give me a solution to this?
[19:59] <buzzmandt> kubuntu doesn't save my audio settings between reboots. Is this known?
[21:15] <TBotNik> All: Having trouble installing a Brother MFC 7360N Printer.  Write up at: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5894117#post5894117
[21:16] <TBotNik> All: Any ideas why the install script is failing?  Gives no errors!f
[21:24] <TBotNik> All: I'm wondering? Seems only the scanner has amd64 versions, which my machine is, and all the rest are i386, could this be where the disconnect is?
[23:20] <OvermindDL1> So a friend upgraded Kubuntu and they lost their volume panel
[23:20] <OvermindDL1> It looks like plasma-pa is not compatible with the current pulseaudio because for some reason it is touching the ancient gconf
[23:21] <OvermindDL1> What command do they need to force down grade it back so it works again?
 are they on 18.04?
[23:24] <OvermindDL1> Yep
[23:25] <OvermindDL1> Thanks for the help, he's being frustrated at me since I'm the one that turned him to kubuntu...
[23:25] <OvermindDL1> Speaking of, I'm guessing I shouldn't upgrade to pulseaudio 12 either, what broke so bad...
 how did you upgrade to that? Were you offered that via the package manager? Or did you upgrade using another method
[23:26] <OvermindDL1> And why does gconf even exist in any kde thing...  🤨
[23:26] <OvermindDL1> I think he just used apt upgrade
[23:28] <OvermindDL1> And I know he upgraded yesterday as well so this is a very recent development


[00:06] <SpamapS> hazmat: does that mean that some degree of polling is necessary?
[00:06] <hazmat> SpamapS, actually it was a bad test, watches are sent reliably in the event disconnection, when the client reconnects
[00:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, i'm trying to tackle our zk error handling with eye to solving disconnect problems
[00:07] <hazmat> i think i've got a good game plan, just writing some tests to verify behavior
[00:08] <hazmat> i ended up having to create a tcp proxy, else the whole thing is way too timing dependent
[00:08] <hazmat> MITM FTW ;-)
[00:08] <SpamapS> nice
[00:38] <SpamapS> sad reality.. my laptop is slower than EC2 for deploying
[00:39] <SpamapS> iterating on a 2 node ceph cluster over and over takes about 3 minutes per deploy/add-unit ..
[00:39] <SpamapS> EC2 can do it in 2
[00:39] <SpamapS> (assuming my units go from pending to running in the usual 30 seconds)
[01:48] <jimbaker> bcsaller, if we ever have a sprint in boulder: http://www.yelp.com/biz/zudaka-healthy-latin-food-boulder-2 - all vegetarian (and vegan friendly), and it's south american cuisine, which is the unusual part
[01:50] <bcsaller> jimbaker: nice
[02:12] <_mup_> txzookeeper/four-letter-client r44 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:12] <_mup_> four letter command admin client
[11:43] <_mup_> Bug #878114 was filed: launch multiple bootstrap nodes <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/878114 >
[12:09] <uksysadmin> hi guys
[12:10] <uksysadmin> anyone used juju with OpenStack - is it as simple as configuring the environments.yaml and away you go or is there more to it?
[12:13] <fwereade> uksysadmin: I haven't used it myself, so I'm afraid I don't know the details, but I'm pretty sure people have
[12:14] <fwereade> uksysadmin: if hazmat's around he may be able to tell you more details
[12:14] <uksysadmin> cheers - I'm about to have a go, but nice to know any gotchas up front
[12:15] <fwereade> uksysadmin: we've certainly fixed bugs related to openstack compatibility
[12:15] <fwereade> uksysadmin: please do let us know if you find any more :)
[12:25] <uksysadmin> will do
[12:47] <uksysadmin> before I start - I'm using 11.10 - do I need to add the ppas as per the documentation or is it ok to use the ones provided in universe?
[12:54] <uksysadmin> (ignore - all is going ok so far... :))
[13:04] <fwereade> uksysadmin, sorry I missed you, the ones in universe should be just fine
[13:15] <uksysadmin> great cheers
[13:16] <uksysadmin> one things (and I'll cross post) - to do a bootstrap of a server under openstack, do I need 11.04/11.10 and if so where can I get suitable images from?
[13:16] <HarryPanda> uksysadmin: look at Orchestra
[13:17] <uksysadmin> Cheers HarryPanda, I am. just getting the basics going first by being able to do the juju bits
[13:17] <uksysadmin> although... that comes with images...
[13:17] <uksysadmin> I see your thinking
[13:21] <uksysadmin> no dice (if that was what you were implying)
[13:35] <uksysadmin> seeing if these work instead: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/oneiric/current/
[13:56] <hazmat> uksysadmin, its pretty much as simple as configuring the environment
[13:57] <hazmat> uksysadmin, use euca-describe-images.. to find an image that you can specify in environments.yaml
[14:08] <hazmat> uksysadmin, course that has to be set up in openstack glance
[14:12] <uksysadmin> sure, cheers hazmat
[15:18] <uksysadmin> kim0, (or anyone) I'm trying to get the juju charms as per https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/495738-conducting-clouds-the-ubuntu-way-an-introduction-to-juju and I get bzr errors
[15:18] <uksysadmin> not only under 11.10 am I getting a warning about bzrlib being different to bzr (fresh installs still get this) it says
[15:19] <uksysadmin> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charmers/charm/oneiric/mysql/trunk/sql/".
[15:20] <uksysadmin> if I forget the bzr repos and just do a juju deployment it says it can't find store.juju.ubuntu.com
[15:21] <kim0> crap .. principia is now gone, this article has been waiting at linux.com for too long
[15:21] <uksysadmin> if it makes anyone feel better my juju bootstrap worked a charm ;-)
[15:21] <uksysadmin> d'oh
[15:22] <uksysadmin> good article though kim0 - is there a slightly modified version you've done elsewhere?
[15:22] <kim0> uksysadmin: prolly the most updated would be docs: https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/
[15:23] <uksysadmin> I followed that too/similar stuff -but failed at: juju deploy --repository=examples mysql
[15:23] <SpamapS> oh wow it used principia?
[15:23] <SpamapS> yeah thats been gone for like 6 weeks
[15:23] <uksysadmin> DNS lookup failed: address 'store.juju.ubuntu.com' not found: [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname.
[15:23] <uksysadmin> 2011-10-19 16:20:08,676 ERROR DNS lookup failed: address 'store.juju.ubuntu.com' not found: [Errno -5] No address associated with hostname.
[15:23] <SpamapS> kim0: will they let us edit it?
[15:24] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: the docs haven't been updated in a while.. its supposed to be   juju deploy --repository=examples local:mysql
[15:25]  * SpamapS is getting rather annoyed that the website still says the wrong thing
[15:25] <uksysadmin> ok I'll see if that makes a difference... though strange if it fixes a DNS error...
[15:25] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: its not a "DNS error" .. the store isn't live yet.
[15:26] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: though we are pondering changing it so local: is always assumed
[15:27] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: bug 872164 if you'd like to comment/track it
[15:27] <_mup_> Bug #872164: [Oneiric] Cannot deply services - store.juju.ubuntu.com not found <juju:In Progress by hazmat> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/872164 >
[15:28] <uksysadmin> ta - will do
[15:28] <uksysadmin> in the meantime - how do I get those lucky charms?
[15:28] <_mup_> Bug #873907 was filed: Security group on EC2 does not open proper port <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/873907 >
[15:29] <hazmat> uksysadmin, easiest way is to apt-get install bzr,  bzr branch lp:charm-tools, cd charm-tools.. ./charm get-all ../path/to/place-to-store charms
[15:29] <hazmat> er.. s/bzr/mr
[15:30] <hazmat> that will fetch all the charms of lp
[15:30] <hazmat> s/of/off
[15:30] <uksysadmin> cheers - no docs mention that (or ones that I'm being referred to)
[15:30] <hazmat> juju.ubuntu.com/Charms should mention it
[15:31] <SpamapS> hazmat: we're about to get re-flooded.. linux.com article went out with the same problems.
[15:31] <uksysadmin> would be good if the tutorial at /docs/ mentioned it then...
[15:31] <hazmat> uksysadmin, we've been working on a charm store, that's directly integrated with the client, its not expected that folks will normally have to go down the charm-tools road
[15:31] <hazmat> SpamapS, bummer
[15:31] <uksysadmin> sorry for the bearer of bad news - was good up until the point about principia
[15:31] <hazmat> uksysadmin, we've got a technical problem getting our docs updated that we're waiting on a sysadmin to fix..
[15:32] <uksysadmin> oh dear - I'll not pester you guys.  I've probably got enough to get me going, thanks.
[15:32] <hazmat> uksysadmin, its very good to know where the bad docs are ;-)
[15:32] <hazmat> but the rest should be good
[15:32] <uksysadmin> :)
[15:40] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: for 'lp:principia' you can replace it with 'lp:charm' and that should solve those problems
[15:40] <SpamapS> I think somebody already said that
[15:41] <uksysadmin> ok, I'll give that a shot whilst the charms are checking out using the tool
[15:42] <SpamapS> kim0: btw, juju.ubuntu.com/docs is actually quite out of date at the moment. We're still trying to figure out why its not updating from the bzr tree.
[15:45] <uksysadmin> on my 11.10 machine I did the tools getall, and in the directory I specified I needed to do a quick symlink to the current dir: (ln - s . oneiric) as it was failing with 2011-10-19 16:43:37,007 ERROR Charm 'local:oneiric/mysql' not found in repository ...
[15:46] <hazmat> uksysadmin, hmm.. yeah. the charms need to prefix with their release series
[15:46] <uksysadmin> after that it seems to be working
[15:47] <uksysadmin> one could say its working like a charm
[15:47] <uksysadmin> (are there openinings for a PR person? ;-))
[15:48] <SpamapS> uksysadmin: too easy. ;)
[15:50] <robbiew> in terms of the docs needed to be updated from bzr....if someone has hosting space and time to setup the docs, we can fix this fast than apparently IS can
[15:50] <robbiew> at least until they are able to respond
[15:53] <hazmat> robbiew, sure i can do it
[15:53] <hazmat> robbiew, i'm tired of waiting
[15:53]  * hazmat setups a dns entry
[15:53] <robbiew> hazmat: cool
[15:53] <SpamapS> have we tried #is yet?
[15:54] <hazmat> SpamapS, i tried them last week, someone (?) took a look around didn't see the cron job
[15:54] <hazmat> or where to update, feel to try again
[15:54] <SpamapS> on it
[15:54] <SpamapS> ticket#?
[15:55] <hazmat> SpamapS, 48456
[15:55] <SpamapS> ty
[16:03] <uksysadmin> thanks all - apart from environmental restrictions (you try sanely running virtual under virtual) all seems to be good!
[16:03] <SpamapS> LXC isn't virtual. :)
[16:03] <SpamapS> its just contained
[16:03] <SpamapS> but yeah, my box hits a load of 12 quite often
[16:04] <uksysadmin> not running under lxc - vbox
[16:06] <uksysadmin> temporary issue fortunately
[16:06] <uksysadmin> hometime here in the good ol' uk. thanks for your help.
[16:07] <hazmat> ugh.. mongodb randomly restarted on me
[16:19] <SpamapS> hazmat: chaos monkey support.. disable with --no-chaos-monkey
[16:20] <hazmat> SpamapS, lol
[16:20] <fwereade_> I was thinking we should have a chaos-monkey built into juju
[16:21] <SpamapS> We do, his name is Ben and he's a vegan
[16:22] <jimbaker> :)
[16:25] <jimbaker> i'm increasingly vegan. except for honey. or fish. also, i couldn't give up yogurt. and i have a soft spot for cheese, especially parmigiano-reggiano. but perhaps a little more vegan than not ;)
[16:27] <robbiew> SpamapS: hazmat:  docs fixed with hazmat's workaround until IS can respond
[16:27] <robbiew> https://juju.ubuntu.com/Documentation  should have the right stuff
[16:28] <SpamapS> jimbaker: maybe you just hate dairy cows and bees
[16:28] <hazmat> jimbaker, thats awesome ;-)
[16:28] <jimbaker> SpamapS, to the contrary, i love them too much ;)
[16:29] <SpamapS> robbiew: at least we have somewhere to send them now. :)
[16:29] <SpamapS> robbiew: we should really fix that frame to be an iframe so there aren't two scroll bars.
[16:29] <robbiew> eh..whatever
[16:31] <robbiew> SpamapS: now you
[16:31] <robbiew> are just trying to get cute
[16:35] <SpamapS> no.. the embedded window is way too small to hold the whole page
[16:44] <robbiew> SpamapS: I can change that...one sec
[16:46] <robbiew> SpamapS: reload
[16:46] <robbiew> ;)
[16:46] <SpamapS> robbiew: better than before :)
[16:47] <SpamapS> I wonder if there's a way to say "embed this and make it as big as it wants to be"
[16:47]  * SpamapS *hates* html
[16:47] <robbiew> probably
[16:47] <robbiew> one sec...let me try
[16:47] <hazmat> the doc html should scale down pretty well
[16:52] <robbiew> bah! I haven't written html in forever....Spamaps, it's a wiki, so feel free to try :D
[16:54]  * SpamapS will just use the direct link
[16:54] <robbiew> lol
[16:54] <SpamapS> So, my new favorite use for the local provider is to spin up a giant EC2 instance and use it there
[16:55] <SpamapS> because it just *kills* my laptop
[16:55] <SpamapS> $0.50/hour for an m2.xlarge is better than 40 $0.08/hour m1.small's per hour ;)
[16:56] <robbiew> lol
[16:56]  * SpamapS wonders if lenovo makes a thinkpad w/ 12GB
[16:56] <SpamapS> just need 8GB of RAM for charms and the rest for compiz
[17:09] <SpamapS> heh.. piping 'debug-log' through 'ccze' makes the day a lot more fun I have to say
[17:10] <SpamapS> oooooooo
[17:11] <SpamapS> juju status | ccze -m ansi
[17:11] <SpamapS> *pretty*
[17:15] <hazmat> interesting
[17:47] <SpamapS> So, with peer relations.. there needs to be something analogous to 'remove-relation ; add-relation'
[17:47] <SpamapS> I have all these idempotent hooks, I want to run them again
[17:59] <hazmat> SpamapS, i don't follow
[17:59] <hazmat> SpamapS, you can remove a peer relation, and add it
[17:59] <hazmat> SpamapS, juju does auto activate peer relation is all
[18:03] <SpamapS> OH
[18:03] <SpamapS> very useful. :)
[18:03]  * SpamapS did not actually *try* removing it
[18:03] <SpamapS> so thats how I can get refreshes after upgrading charms
[18:04] <SpamapS> Tho that also calls broken.. which will likely take services down
[18:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, m_3 made a nice suggestion on how to add relation iteration capabilities
[18:04] <hazmat> before we sort of blocked on the anonymous relations from a server provides.. but the easy solution is to just qualifies though during iteration with the end point service name in addition to the local relation name
[18:06] <SpamapS> EPARSE
[18:06] <SpamapS> huh?
[18:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, just thinking of making relations addressable from upgrade hooks
[18:07] <SpamapS> *that* is 100% necessary
[18:07] <SpamapS> (you may recall, I suggested very early that upgrade would require re-running every hook)
[18:08] <hazmat> SpamapS, one of the issues is that for something that provides an interface, it could have multiple relations from things that require to effectively the same named relation interface
[18:08] <hazmat> ie. provides creates what are effectively anonymous/non-addressable relations
[18:08] <SpamapS> bug 873116 and bug 767195 may be duplicates.. both I think opened by me. ;)
[18:09] <hazmat> an easy way to qualify those would be to just suffix the endpoint service name
[18:09] <hazmat> so they can be iterated and addressed in non ambigious fashion
[18:09] <SpamapS> relation-get variable_name [ unit_name ] [ relation_name ]  ?
[18:10] <hazmat> mysql charm ... list-relations -> db-wordpress, db-drupal  .. to pass to relation-get
[18:10] <SpamapS> Oh the active relations
[18:11] <SpamapS> yeah thats bug 767195 .. you opened it.. I recall discussing this a while back
[18:11] <hazmat> yeah...
[18:13] <SpamapS> Very high order stuff.. important, but can be worked around for now.
[18:13] <SpamapS> It would be quite useful in the ceph charm. What I have to do there is just store relation data locally and keep regenerating stuff from that.
[18:13] <hazmat> fwereade_, any interest in looking at that? or do you want to roll with ha stuff, i can comment on your proposal on the bug
[18:14] <SpamapS> fwereade_: btw, great discussion on the SSH key management stuff. I feel like that is going to be really cool when we get to it.
[18:14] <hazmat> i just sent out a large mail on regarding conn failure and session expiration analysis and what my plan is
[18:14] <SpamapS> hazmat: oh good. :) I just got hit by it
[18:14] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. making local provider work through hibernate is a great test scenario ;-)
[18:15] <jimbaker> that would definitely be nice
[18:16] <SpamapS> for me it just stops working after lunch
[18:33] <_mup_> juju/ssh-passthrough r408 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:33] <_mup_> PEP8, PyFlakes, docstrings
[18:36] <fwereade_> SpamapS, thanks :)
[18:36] <fwereade_> hazmat, sorry, need to catch up on context, was putting laura to bed
[18:36] <hazmat> fwereade_, no worries
[18:36] <fwereade_> ah, I just saw that email, and suspected it would be relevant to my interests :)
[18:37] <hazmat> fwereade_, the context for the relation stuff is in the bug links, just responding to your other email re ha, and then going to try and do some reviews
[18:37] <hazmat> the review queue is overflowing
[18:37] <hazmat> fwereade_, bcsaller, jimbaker if you have some time, we really should get some more reviews in
[18:38] <fwereade_> hazmat, duly noted :)
[18:38] <jimbaker> hazmat, will do, just want to get this ssh passthrough stuff done first
[18:38] <bcsaller> hazmat: I'll try for a couple today
[18:38] <hazmat> thanks guys
[18:39] <jimbaker> taking too long but almost there (too many things that should be easy in argparse, aren't ;) )
[18:39] <fwereade_> and, hazmat, I can happily work on whatever seems most sensible to you
[18:40] <fwereade_> hazmat, the HA stuff is interesting, but whether or not I should be working on it can probably be determined by how much I appear to have been on crack while writing that comment ;)
[18:41] <hazmat> fwereade_, we should do a round discussion on it, the bug is probably a decent place for it, we can decide after that.. there's another low hanging but critical task, which is upstartifying all the agents
[18:41] <hazmat> currently only local provider uses upstart for the unit agent, but creating an upstart module that can be used for all the agents would be a huge win on the way to ha
[18:42] <SpamapS> +100 for that
[18:42] <jimbaker> it would seem that the two features are hugely related
[18:43]  * hazmat grabs some coffee
[18:43] <jimbaker> i still think just relying on the fact that the provisioning agent can be restarted + a leader election would suffice for provisioning agent HA, for now. not the scalable solution of course
[18:43] <SpamapS> The're related in that they both will help with the resiliency of the system
[18:43] <SpamapS> jimbaker: ZK is mroe important
[18:43] <SpamapS> more rather
[18:44] <jimbaker> SpamapS, in terms of upstart of ZK?
[18:44] <SpamapS> And as long as you're going to run two ZK's, why not run two provisioning agents? ;)
[18:44] <SpamapS> jimbaker: in terms of HA for bootstrap
[18:44] <jimbaker> SpamapS, exactly
[18:44] <SpamapS> for upstart.. thats more about being able to reboot nodes
[18:44] <jimbaker> every ZK should have a corresponding provisioning agent, just makes sense
[18:45] <jimbaker> in terms of layout
[18:45] <SpamapS> there's a second task for rebooting, which is making sure that agents that are disconnected can recover from a long absence gracefully.
[18:46] <SpamapS> but really.. if you can just reboot them and block zk changes while something is gone.. thats a huge step forward.
[18:46] <bcsaller> maybe something like: is_bootstrap = fib(num_active_machines +2) while num_active_machines < 4, on all those machines we run a PA and ZK and the lowest machine id is leader
[18:46] <jimbaker> i think reboot is fine, certainly that works for the provisioning agent
[18:46] <hazmat> for multi pa, i think fine grain locks are preferrable
[18:46] <hazmat> their is parallel work to be done
[18:46] <hazmat> for zk, its unesc. zk does its own leader election
[18:46] <jimbaker> hazmat, exactly, that would support better scalability
[18:47] <hazmat> and the clients can connect to all of them and route appropriately
[18:47] <SpamapS> bcsaller: simple and elegant.. I would have no problem with that solution. :)
[18:47] <jimbaker> hazmat, leader is only for determining whether a given provisioning agent is active, other than the too simple solution i have in mind :)
[18:47] <hazmat> upstart is a good first step though
[18:47] <SpamapS> true, no need for a leader PA
[18:47] <jimbaker> sorry, under the too simple solution
[18:48] <hazmat> the zk service and pa just become another service managed by juju is the end goal i'd like get to
[18:48] <hazmat> make it just another service managed through juju
[18:48] <bcsaller> hazmat: +1
[18:48] <jimbaker> it just removes the SPOF. but i agree with the end goal
[18:49] <bcsaller> thought like we've mentioned namespaces for things like status seem even more important then
[18:49] <bcsaller> because you don't want to see juju internal services by default
[18:49] <SpamapS> I don't know if its that clear
[18:50] <SpamapS> some would say they want to see *everything* they are responsible for.
[18:50] <SpamapS> I mean, every machine is effectively related to bootstrap
[18:50] <hazmat> bcsaller, yeah.. one step at a time though... namespacing might be a nice alternative to do strange internal service name checks for protection... with an option to show all namespaces
[18:50] <hazmat> it also helps when we start to exploring hierarchies of services
[18:51] <SpamapS> Cars existed a long time w/o seatbelts. :)
[18:51] <SpamapS> I don't know if you need safety up front. Just sanity.
[18:51] <bcsaller> did rockets ever not have seat belts though?
[18:52] <SpamapS> Oh dear.. please don't tell me I've wandered into the rocket science lab? ;)
[18:55] <jimbaker> again, wouldn't it make more sense to follow this plan: remove the SPOF by just having one active provisioning agent + some number of standbys. the PA is extensively tested to follow its design, that it can always be restarted
[18:55] <jimbaker> then implement a better provisioning agent, which in fact does parallelize work
[18:56] <jimbaker> this can also get to the more desirable quality that the PA is just another service
[18:57] <SpamapS> Honestly
[18:57] <SpamapS> even the most active site with 1000's of nodes
[18:57] <SpamapS> I doubt can overwhelm a single PA
[18:58] <SpamapS> ZK will be the choke point there
[18:58] <jimbaker> SpamapS, agreed. i think we might have some issues in how we iterate the topology, etc. but not in instructing the cloud provider on what to do next
[19:01] <jimbaker> SpamapS, for instance, i think we could be smarter about the watch mgmt in the expose logic in the PA. too much duplicate work when it's just operating on the the toplogy node. but that's just a matter of having a better watch setup. (or alternatively, moving expose to the machine agent!)
[19:01] <SpamapS> I kind of like how we're taking advantage of the provider firewall
[19:03] <jimbaker> SpamapS, sure, and it is transparent in the usage, so point well taken
[19:04] <SpamapS> 2011-10-19 19:03:20,032: hook.output@ERROR: + relation-get hostname
[19:04] <SpamapS> 2011-10-19 19:03:20,222: hook.output@ERROR: Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:04] <SpamapS> Failure: juju.hooks.protocol.NoSuchUnit: The relation 'mon' has no unit state for 'ceph/11'
[19:04] <SpamapS> So...
[19:04] <SpamapS> in a departed hook..
[19:04] <SpamapS> I can't get the relation data?
[19:07] <hazmat> SpamapS, the provider firewall is just an optimization for ec2 at this point, it impl as the sole network security  prevents security for other providers
[19:07] <SpamapS> Yeah seems like both are useful
[19:07] <hazmat> in the future with a machine level firewalls, the ec2 firewall can be maintained just as a provider specific optimization
[19:08] <hazmat> i've got another long email in the works on that topic
[19:08] <hazmat> time for a doctor's appt, bbiab
[19:50] <evandev> does anyone have any experience with installing hbase on ec2? I am trying to find any documentation. I currently have Juju installed with hadoop-master / slave charms and would like to get Hbase running
[19:51] <SpamapS> evandev: IIRC, the hadoop master and slave charms only give you HDFS
[19:51] <evandev> Correct, I was just wondering if anyone had taken it a step further and installed hbase on top of that
[19:52] <SpamapS> Have not.. but if you want to take a crack at it, I'm sure m_3 would be interested in helping. :)
[19:52] <SpamapS> m_3: ^^
[19:55] <_mup_> Bug #878462 was filed: resolved --retry does not retry the hook <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/878462 >
[19:57] <evandev> cool thanks
[19:58] <SpamapS> evandev: can HBase and HDFS share the same set of namenode/slaves ?
[19:58] <SpamapS> evandev: if so it might be best implemented as a config option on top of the existing hadoop charms.
[19:59] <SpamapS> ugh.. departed hook executes in parallel with unit removal...
[19:59] <SpamapS> no way to gracefully remove a ceph monitor node from another one then. HRM
[19:59] <SpamapS> I suppose the stop hook would work
[20:00] <evandev> Yea that was my next question
[20:00] <evandev> I thought about modify the charms
[20:00] <SpamapS> evandev: if you have pulled them down with 'charm getall', simplest thing to do is to unbind the charm, commit your changes, and then push to a bzr branch.
[20:00] <evandev> modifying*
[20:00]  * SpamapS realizes thats not in a wiki page and remedies the situation
[20:01] <robbiew> SpamapS: thnx
[20:01] <evandev> ahh I think ill try that
[20:02] <evandev> thanks SpamapS
[21:00] <hazmat> SpamapS, you mean in parallel across different units i assume, yeah..
[21:01] <hazmat> SpamapS, stop hooks are not executed atm, nother topic for discussion
[21:06] <SpamapS> hazmat: so, yeah, we need to provide graceful shutdown for clusters
[21:07] <SpamapS> hazmat: I'm thinking that you should not actually destroy the unit until its departed hooks have finished on all related nodes
[21:07] <SpamapS> this is already well documented in bugs tho..
[21:40] <_mup_> juju/ssh-passthrough r409 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:40] <_mup_> Test for parse errors
[22:02] <jimbaker> bcsaller, looks like you meant to do an approve on https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/juju/unlocalize-network/+merge/79476
[22:03] <bcsaller> jimbaker: I thought the second person did the approve
[22:04] <jimbaker> sure, and i can do that, but your comment was just a normal comment, not an approve comment
[22:04] <jimbaker> bcsaller, ^^^
[22:04] <bcsaller> yeah, it should have been an approve then
[22:05] <jimbaker> ok, i've just approved it, since it's pretty clear in the merge proposal the intent
[22:11] <jimbaker> bcsaller, do you want to propose your branch for bug 873643? it looks good to me
[22:11] <_mup_> Bug #873643: config values are re-set to their default values when only one is changed <juju:In Progress by clint-fewbar> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/873643 >
[22:12] <bcsaller> jimbaker: I never got a reply from SpamapS about what he wanted done, I can propose my extension of his branch or he can merge and repush.
[22:12] <jimbaker> SpamapS, maybe you can delete your merge proposal for that bug? i don't know what the process should be, but i'm ready to approve bcsaller's work, between your trivial change and the reasonable test, it looks good with just the caveat that there's a grammatical error
[22:12] <jimbaker> in a comment
[22:13] <hazmat> bcsaller, you can just unlink the old branch and link yours
[22:13] <hazmat> its been pending for a while
[22:13] <bcsaller> hazmat: that might be best then
[22:13] <jimbaker> and it's high
[22:13] <hazmat> on life
[22:13] <jimbaker> it's really impacting actual usage, so we should get it in
[22:13] <SpamapS> Yeah if bcsaller's is complete please do move forward
[22:15] <SpamapS> thre
[22:15] <SpamapS> handled
[22:15] <SpamapS> https://code.launchpad.net/~bcsaller/juju/config-do-not-overwrite/+merge/79890
[23:22] <SpamapS> hazmat: great email about the timeouts. I think I hit that just when my system load gets high because some things take 3+ seconds
[23:40] <SpamapS> hazmat: I think this may be another "production" bug.. when this hits.. the agents basically are dead in the water.
[23:41] <hazmat> SpamapS, ?
[23:41] <SpamapS> hazmat: The weirdness I reported last week seems to be a timeout
[23:41] <hazmat> SpamapS, what's the defect?
[23:42] <SpamapS> bug 875903
[23:42] <_mup_> Bug #875903: Zookeeper errors in local provider cause strange status view and possibly broken topology <juju:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/875903 >
[23:43] <hazmat> SpamapS its two different issues
[23:43] <hazmat> SpamapS, one the session expired, so the units are dead
[23:43] <hazmat> SpamapS, two status was reporting based on the recorded state instead of taking into account the presence of the connected agent
[23:43] <hazmat> the second issue has been addressed by a branch fwereade_ has in the review queue
[23:44] <hazmat> the first by the timeout email
[23:44] <SpamapS> Ok
[23:44] <SpamapS> I have been running into a lot of the weird status..
[23:44] <SpamapS> not suspending/hibernating/anything
[23:44] <SpamapS> just using it through the day
[23:45] <hazmat> SpamapS, hmm.. with high load / swapping?
[23:45] <SpamapS> some load, no swap
[23:45] <SpamapS> disk is definitely *slammed*
[23:45] <hazmat> SpamapS, i'd probably attribute it to the same
[23:45] <SpamapS> I have no doubt that occasionally some things block for 3 seconds
[23:46] <SpamapS> which is why I moved my testing to an m2.xlarge for a while today
[23:46] <SpamapS> with a giant tmpfs volume
[23:46] <SpamapS> no such issues over there. :)
[23:47] <SpamapS> at $0.50/hour, its a bargain compared to dealing with my silly laptop
[23:48] <SpamapS> 2011-10-19 23:48:45,173:480(0x7fa28ae7f700):ZOO_ERROR@handle_socket_error_msg@1621: Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:48263] zk retcode=-112, errno=116(Stale NFS file handle): sessionId=0x1331e917b100004 has expired.
[23:49] <SpamapS>  16:49:25 up 3 days, 17:12,  2 users,  load average: 9.03, 5.04, 3.26
[23:51] <SpamapS> hazmat: so .. yeah.. this is frustrating.
[23:52]  * SpamapS realizes he's late to pick up the little one and signs off for the day
[23:52] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah.. the fix is actually pretty small and straightforward, just needs some good tests
[23:52] <hazmat> i'm in progress on it, but trying to take some time today to reviews
[23:54] <hazmat> SpamapS,  is suspect on ec2 its the vagaries of virtual and the load from the multiple units
[23:54] <hazmat> s/is/i