[00:00] <popey> still not friendly
[00:00] <popey> anyway, i have the answer now
[00:00] <azeem> sorry
[00:00] <RAOF> There was a bit of talking past each other, yes.
[00:00] <RAOF> We don't think about the filename at all, so... :)
[00:32] <HoppingWombat> hello
[00:39] <mungewell> Hi.  My first attempt was to build on http://ubuntu-mini-remix.crealabs.it/ and add Sugar+X. This booted and started X but did not display GDM login (was installed), X would stop if I shut down GDM. Is this the best approach (if so what magic am I missing) or should I look to cut down one of the other Desktop LiveCDs. I
[00:45] <HoppingWombat> hello
[00:45] <HoppingWombat> are there any packages that someone knows of that are out of date??
[00:47] <HoppingWombat> or packages that need work
[00:49] <NCommander> bahaha
[00:49] <NCommander> Bandwidth
[00:51] <TheMuso> NCommander: lol
[00:52]  * NCommander is leeching from the neighbors
[00:52] <NCommander> Darn my cousins are their highspeedless way of life
[00:56] <TheMuso> NCommander: And what about your connection, or are you still not back home yet?
[00:56] <NCommander> Nope
[00:57] <NCommander> I'm trapped in the depths of North Carolina
[00:57] <NCommander> and have yet to find the escape hatch
[01:06] <soros> i wonder if its a safe move to include f-spot with the default install of ubuntu consider novell/miguel are conspiring with microsoft
[01:07] <soros> kind of dangerous IMHO
[01:07] <soros> I think mr. miguel makes a lot of money from that deal.
[01:11] <TheMuso> u/c
[01:11] <Hobbsee> soros: please note that propaganda is not welcome here.  Please see http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/22/mark-shuttleworth-on-patents/ for more information.
[01:11] <soros> sorry, I didn't know that was "propaganda" as you call it
[01:12] <soros> ya, just reading that article now
[01:12] <soros> "Our view is that we can deal with patent suits if they arise,"
[01:12] <soros> THAT'S REALLY FUCKING REASSURING
[01:12] <soros> Gimme a break.
[01:13] <soros> Whatever.  Later.
[01:13] <TheMuso> !ohmy
[01:13] <RAOF> Well, that's the way we deal with all the other software.
[01:13] <RAOF> soros: You probably mean well, but you're wrong, and we've heard it before.  There's little tolerance.
[01:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: heh
[01:13] <directhex> welcome to my life, y'all :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> RAOF: best solved with a +q on continuance?  :P
[01:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: A what now?
[01:14] <directhex> you know this'll be on boycott-novell tomorrow, right?
[01:15] <RAOF> Aw, man. 3rd comment on that article is a wonderful case study.
[01:15] <RAOF> directhex: Maybe I can be famous too?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> RAOF: an IRC quiet.  It's a great tactic.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> (stops them sending to the channel, basically)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> they can rant all they want, but no one sees it
[01:16] <Hobbsee> (or only some do, depending on the modes)
[01:16] <RAOF> Mmm.  Nifty.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> very :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: often they're too annoyed to see the "cant' send to channel" messages, which often go to the status window anyway, so they continue, but notice no one is responding to them, and eventually quit due to that.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> (and don't bother coming back on the same issue, as they perceived that they were ignored)
[01:18] <RAOF> Muchos win.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> indeed1
[01:20]  * RAOF loves that the most strident argument on that comment thread is "mono shouldn't by default create files called foo.dll"
[01:20] <directhex> which comment thread?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> directhex: my link above - it has comments at the bototm
[01:20] <directhex> ah
[01:20]  * Hobbsee didn't see them the first time either
[01:20] <ajmitch> because the last few characters really matter
[01:20] <directhex> you want an *actual* joke? a real one?
[01:20] <RAOF> Clearly an indication of mono's technical inferiority!
[01:21] <directhex> do a search on http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/openoffice.org for "32"
[01:23] <RAOF> Oh my.
[01:23] <RAOF> Why?
[01:24] <RAOF> Dear lord.  The _other_ 32 is down the bottom, in the file sizes.  320Mb of source seems excessive.  As does an 84Mb gzipped diff.
[01:26] <RAOF> directhex: Is that a real build-dependency?
[01:26] <directhex> RAOF, yes indeedy
[01:27] <directhex> RAOF, required for the java macro layer, would you believe
[01:55] <ardchoille> I just did a kernel update on Intrepid and memtest and recovery mode have been removed. Is this normal? What happens if I put memtest and recovery mode back in?
[01:55] <RAOF> Compiz would be substantially cooler if the nvidia drivers didn't feel the need to hard-lock every couple of days.
[01:56] <ardchoille> s/removed/removed from menu.lst/
[01:56] <RAOF> ardchoille: That sounds like a bug.  Feel like pastebinning your menu.lst?
[01:56] <ardchoille> sure, hold on
[01:58] <ardchoille> RAOF: http://paste.ubuntu.com/77588/
[01:59] <ardchoille> RAOF: Just did the kernel upgrade after reading this: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-679-1
[02:01] <RAOF> ardchoille: You've explicitly asked for no recovery mode or memtest entries in that menu.lst.
[02:01] <RAOF> ardchoille: Specificly, you've set "# alternative = false" and "# memtest86 = false"
[02:01] <ardchoille> RAOF: I don't remember asking that, I did, however, "install the package maintainers version" when prompted, but I made a backup before that so I still have menu.lst.backup
[02:02] <RAOF> Hm.
[02:02] <ardchoille> RAOF: Ah, ok, I see that now, yes, I did set those a while ago
[02:02] <ardchoille> I need to change those back to true
[02:02] <ardchoille> but that won't get the recovery mode and memtest back into menu.lst
[02:03] <Hobbsee> unless you update grub, presumably.
[02:03] <RAOF> Right.  But it'll tell update-grub to add them next time it runs.
[02:03] <ardchoille> Hobbsee: ah, yes, thank you
[02:03] <ardchoille> ok, was just a bit worried.
[02:03] <ardchoille> although I've never used memtest or recovery mode
[02:05] <ardchoille> is it ok to just copy/paste the info from menu.lst.backup into menu.lst and just change the kernel version? is uuid the same?
[02:05] <RAOF> The UUID will be the same, yes.  That's kinda the point :)
[02:05] <ardchoille> ok
[02:05] <ardchoille> Thanks RAOF , Hobbsee
[02:27] <amikrop> Hello. I have this URL: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gemrb What files I need from there, in order to build a binary package?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> cross-posting FTW?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> amikrop: 1,2,4.
[02:30] <amikrop> Hobbsee: I am sorry
[02:30] <amikrop> Hobbsee: Thank you. How would I actually vuild the binary package?
[02:30] <amikrop> * build
[02:31] <RAOF> dpkg-buildpackage is the traditional method.
[02:31] <RAOF> Or debuild.
[02:32] <amikrop> RAOF: aha which files, though?
[02:32] <RAOF> Or even just calling "fakeroot debian/rules binary", which is what dpkg-buildpackage does eventually anyway.
[02:32] <amikrop> ok
[02:33] <RAOF> Once you have the source package - generally there'll be 3 files here - foo.dsc, foo.orig.tar.gz, and foo.diff.gz - you unpack the source with "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc", giving you an unpacked source directory.
[02:33] <RAOF> Running 'dpkg-buildpackage' in that directory will build the binary package(s).
[02:34] <amikrop> RAOF: thanks :)
[02:38] <amikrop> Why do I get this?
[02:38] <amikrop> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs autotools-dev dpatch
[02:38] <amikrop> dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[02:39] <amikrop> And how can I fix it?
[02:39] <RAOF> Because you don't have the needed build dependencies.  Specifically, the 'cdbs', 'autotools-dev' and 'dpatch' packages.
[02:39] <RAOF> Installing all of those will make it build.  Assuming the package's build-dependencies are correct, of course.
[02:41] <amikrop> I see. Thank you :-)
[02:49] <TheMuso> Hrm apt-get seems to have a weird issue with multiple source packages with linux at the beginning of the name. I attempt to apt-get source the linux package, yet it grabs linux-meta. (I know linux is in git.)
[02:51] <Mithrandir> it looks at binary packages too
[02:51] <Mithrandir>      linux | <IP_ADDRESS>.11 | jaunty/restricted | amd64, i386
[02:51] <Mithrandir> I suspect that's from l-m
[02:52] <TheMuso> Mithrandir: I think thats whats going on.
[02:52] <TheMuso> Anyway, using a specific version worked around it.
[04:33] <TheMuso> c
[05:21] <[Relic]> What time is pitti usually awake?
[05:22] <StevenK> Not for at least an hour
[05:23] <[Relic]> wanted to test the coretemps for 64bit 8.04 but the proposed? kernel won't successfully boot
[05:24] <[Relic]> just wondering how often that is updated
[06:16] <sowmi652> hi
[06:27] <pitti> Good morning
[06:27] <pitti> [Relic]: hi
[06:27] <pitti> [Relic]: oh, I'm just the sru processing monkey, so I'm afraid I won't be able to discuss kernel patches with you
[06:28] <pitti> [Relic]: which version did you test, -23.46 already?
[06:29] <pitti> wgrant: LP API> yes, that'd be a first-time problem
[06:29] <pitti> directhex: found a sponsor for mono-tools yet? If not, where's the source.changes for me to grab?
[06:31] <pitti> [Relic]: ah, you can't possibly have tested -23 yet, that's still in the NEW queue; then we don't actually *have* a hardy-proposed kernel to test ATM
[06:39] <[Relic]> think it was 22 that won't boot
[06:49] <pitti> [Relic]: that's a serious problem then; did you file a bug about it?
[06:52] <[Relic]> not as such hard to do w/o good copy paste (console), will try later and see what the error was it was missing some file or directory at the time of or right after eth0 was being set up
[06:54] <pitti> [Relic]: you can use a digital camera
[06:54] <pitti> [Relic]: but -21 boots fine?
[06:55] <[Relic]> yep
[06:55] <[Relic]> nscd?
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56]  * pitti hugs dholbach
[06:56] <[Relic]> wonder if there is a boot log somewhere
[06:57]  * dholbach hugs pitti back
[07:47] <pitti> tkamppeter: \o/ your recent int -> char fix for powerpc also fixed cups on mips/mipsel in Debian (last outstanding RC bug)
[07:47] <cjwatson> directhex: done your mono-tools stuff and the libmono-webbrowser/mozilla promotion/demotion
[07:51] <pitti> StevenK: still filing sync bugs? :-) You can just do them, with probably even fewer keystrokes
[07:58] <StevenK> pitti: I thought we needed the paper trail
[07:59] <pitti> StevenK: hm, nobody complained to me so far about the lack of it
[07:59] <tkamppeter> pitti, great, then I only need to do the official release of Foomatic 4.0 and Debian will get the next distro with PDF printing workflow.
[08:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, but why is the fix in pdftopdf relevant for an RC bug? Does this go into Lenny?
[08:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: no, it only applied to experimental
[08:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: the test suite failed on mipsen
[08:01] <tkamppeter> But why RC (release candidate)?
[08:01] <pitti> "release critical"
[08:12] <bradh79> hi
[08:12] <bradh79> is there a ubuntu help channel?
[08:14] <pitti> bradh79: yes, try #ubuntu
[08:16] <bradh79> thanks
[08:16] <bradh79> i cant get my dual displays to work :(
[08:26] <directhex> cjwatson, thank you!
[09:54]  * apw wonders if we keep historical information on the load on our buildd's, a pretty graph showing the queue length or average build delay or something over time is what i see in my mind ??
[09:54] <directhex> apw, sounds neat
[10:30] <directhex> can a nice friendly archive admin tickle the NEW queue a little for mono-tools 2.0-0ubuntu1 ?
[10:30] <pitti> I just cleaned it an hour ago
[10:31] <pitti> litter lout... *tsk*
[10:31]  * pitti hugs directhex, will do
[10:31] <directhex> thanks pitti :)
[10:31] <directhex> pitti, does removig a source package require explicit action from an archive admin, or will it happen by itself if removed from sid?
[10:32] <pitti> directhex: should the new binaries (gendarme and mono-profiler) go to universe?
[10:32] <StevenK> It requires an archive admin to do it
[10:32] <pitti> directhex: the former
[10:32] <pitti> directhex: most of sid removals are caught by a tool called "process-removals", which I run regularly
[10:32] <directhex> pitti, they're both useful dev tools, but yes, i think universe is the right place for them
[10:32] <pitti> directhex: but for some reason it doesn't catch all of them, so better file a bug
[10:35] <pitti> there, NEW queue is down to zero again
[10:36] <directhex> hurrah \o/
[10:36]  * Hobbsee quickly uploads more crack.
[10:36]  * directhex files an RM;RoM bug first, so he can link it to LP
[10:37]  * Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee
[10:37]  * Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet
[10:37] <Mithrandir> good thing I'm levitating?
[10:38]  * Hobbsee switches off the levitation machine, then stomps on Mithrandir's feet again
[10:38]  * Hobbsee muhahaha
[10:38] <Mithrandir> it's not a machine, it's magic
[10:39]  * Hobbsee switched off that too
[10:39] <simira> hey, no switching on my boyfriend please!
[10:40] <StevenK> simira: s/on/off/ ?
[10:41] <simira> StevenK: I'll look to turn him on myself when he gets home!
[10:41] <StevenK> That's a little too much information
[10:41] <StevenK> :-P
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hey there simira!
[10:43] <simira> hi Hobbsee
[10:45] <simira> StevenK: you asked ;)
[10:48]  * Hobbsee notes the extended silence, after that.
[10:48]  * Mithrandir ruffles simira
[10:55] <directhex> okay, who do i subscribe to an RM bug then?
[10:55] <directhex> is there an archive-admins or something i should sub?
[10:55] <pitti> directhex: ubuntu-archive, please
[10:56] <directhex> done. cheers pitti
[11:46] <StevenK> mvo: I'm seeing a strange apt bug, can I prod you about it?
[12:00] <RicardoPerez> mvo: ping
[12:16] <RicardoPerez> mvo: can you please take a look at bug #156278? it's not fixed for me today
[13:01] <mvo> hello StevenK, sorry for the slow reply. sure, what is the issue?
[13:02] <mvo> RicardoPerez: thanks, looking
[13:02] <asac> pitti: NM SRU needs a push to -proposed. *hug*
[13:04] <StevenK> mvo: apt looks to hang on concordia after it finishes downloading
[13:04] <mvo> StevenK: oh, what version of apt/distro is running there? anything interessting in strace?
[13:15] <asac_> reconnect
[13:15] <asac_> pitti: btw, I moved your HUAWEI (option) registration issue to bug 303142 ... in case you want to verify on your own
[13:16] <asac_> (your comments were posted to 290177 ... but initial reporter says he sees something different)
[13:21] <mvo> RicardoPerez: do you have intrepid-proposed enabled?
[13:22] <StevenK> mvo: It's a buildd machine, so nothing like that. I was curious if you'd heard about the bug
[13:23] <mvo> StevenK: I heard of issues on the livefs builder (from cody-somerville), I was never able to reproduce it but but something that *might* fix it into recent version (I think intrepid).
[13:24] <StevenK> mvo: It's in a Jaunty chroot
[13:24] <mvo> StevenK: hrm, bad
[13:25] <mvo> StevenK: I would like to investigate, let me check if I have access
[13:25] <blip-> hi, i have a general question for learning purposes... why would ubuntu 8.04 put firefox3 extensions in their repos when you can just get the extensions from the ext mirror of mozilla and it's already cross-distro.... ?
[13:26] <blip-> for example there is the all-in-one-sidebar
[13:26] <directhex> blip-, makes it easier for deploying images, fr'example
[13:28] <blip-> images as in a dd or other clone of a parition/OS  ?    directhex
[13:28] <pitti> asac: oooh! will process
[13:29] <pitti> asac: right, understood
[13:29] <directhex> blip-, as in non-clone os deployment (such as for imaging an entire classroom)
[13:30] <directhex> and means root can mandate extensions to install, rather than ~/.mozilla
[13:30] <blip-> ah i see,    makes sense,  thanks directhex
[13:32] <asac> pitti: great
[13:36] <directhex> oh no, boycottnovell's stuck a "REMOVE TEH MONOZ" entry onto ubuntu brainstorm. that's gonna get modded up in its thousands by roy's goons -_-
[13:37] <ogra> directhex, i would ask to remove it as spam
[13:38] <thekorn> #leonov
[13:38] <ogra> oh, he didnt write "REMOVE TEH MONOZ" literally :)
[13:52] <RicardoPerez> mvo: No, I haven't enabled the intrepid-proposed
[13:53] <mvo> RicardoPerez: could you please check if that makes a difference? there was a mistake in the intrepid universe upload and the data was a couple of month old
[13:53] <mvo> :(
[13:53] <mvo> but it should be fixed in -proposed (and -updates soon)
[13:54] <RicardoPerez> mvo: of course, I'll check now. What packages may I install then?
[13:54] <mvo> RicardoPerez: just enabling -proposed and apt-get update should work (hopefully :)
[13:55] <RicardoPerez> mvo: you are right! that solves the problem!
[13:57] <RicardoPerez> mvo: that solves the problem in gnome-games (main) and amsn (universe)
[13:58] <mvo> RicardoPerez: thanks! \o/
[13:58] <RicardoPerez> mvo: thanks to you! :)
[13:59] <RicardoPerez> mvo: I've updated the bugreport with the info you supplied
[13:59] <RicardoPerez> mvo: thanks again
[14:01] <mvo> thanks RicardoPerez, I will push it into -updates as soon as possible
[14:02] <RicardoPerez> mvo: great :)
[15:17] <asac> jdong: -> #ubuntu-mozillateam ;)
[15:25] <amikrop> Hello. I have Automatic Login enabled for my user. When I try to SVN Update with RapidSVN, to a repository that needs my RSA key, I am asked for my password. What Can I do to skip that everytime? I have installed libmap-keyring and put the @include line in /etc/pam.d/gdm but I have realised I don't have a ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring but only a ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring Any help, please?
[15:26] <directhex> amikrop, there's no *secure* way. does that bother you?
[15:26] <ogra> amikrop, #ubuntu for support
[15:26] <amikrop> directhex: no, it doesn't
[15:26] <ogra> (see /topic)
[15:26] <amikrop> directhex: I just need an automatic way
[15:27] <directhex> yeah, offtopic. but set your default keyring to a blank password in Passwords & Encryption Keys, that ought to allow password saving on an autologin account
[15:28] <amikrop> directhex: That's the strange fact: I don't have a default keyring
[15:29] <amikrop> As I said above I *lack* the file ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
[15:30] <amikrop> directhex: Should I create one? If yes, maybe I could set the password same to my login password, because I did the libpam-keyring and @include trick, that automatically unlocks the default keyring at login, only if the password is the same as your login password.
[15:31] <amikrop> directhex: But the thing is, that 1) I have Automatic Login enabled, and 2) I don't seem to have a default keyring.
[15:31] <amikrop> directhex: What should I do?
[15:32] <directhex> amikrop, "<directhex> yeah, offtopic. but set your default keyring to a blank password in Passwords & Encryption Keys, that ought to allow password saving on an autologin account"
[15:32] <amikrop> directhex: I don't have a default keyring
[15:34] <directhex> passwords and Encryption Keys, Edit, Preferences, login, Change Unlock Password
[15:34] <directhex> the "default keyring" pulldown shjould be set to "login"
[15:34] <directhex> and that's MORE than enough support in #ubuntu-devel for now
[15:35] <amikrop> directhex: OK. Thank you.
[15:43] <fta> will we have sqlite 3.6.* ? i need 3.6.4 for mozilla products
[15:44] <pitti> fta: so far we just synced from Debian, since we didn't have a particular reason to update it ourselves
[15:44] <pitti> fta: so, the question shouldn't be "will we have", but "who can do that" :-)
[15:46] <fta> pitti, the reason moz wants that is that they are very actively working on sqlite now that is it used in their engine. 3.6 brings in a lot of perf improvements visible in firefox
[15:47] <ogra> fta, so the mozilla team is volunteering ? :)
[15:49] <fta> ogra, sure. i can prepare the package.
[15:49] <fta> for the records, upstream says "Version <IP_ADDRESS> of SQLite is recommended for all new development. Upgrading from versions 3.6.4 through 3.6.6 is strongly recommented."
[15:50] <fta> moz is currently using 3.6.4 in ff 3.1 b2
[15:50] <ogra> well, the prob eih what pitti said above is that debian is pretty stuck atm, waiting for lenny to get out the door ...
[15:50] <ogra> so i wouldnt expect it from debian soon
[15:51] <fta> ok, i'll do it then. we went ahead for cairo many times before so it's no different here
[15:52] <fta> pitti, btw, if you care to have a look (and want to make my day :)), ff3.1 and xul1.9.1 are now waiting in NEW
[15:55] <pitti> fta: why did the source package get a new name? shouldn't really just be a new version?
[15:56] <pitti> -1.9 and -1.9.1 as different package names really smell like overzealous versionitis
[15:56] <directhex> pitti, they're not compatible :)
[15:57] <directhex> pitti, 1.9.0.* is ff3 et al, 1.9.1.* is ff3.1 et al. different beasts
[15:57] <directhex> go mozilla!
[15:57] <pitti> directhex: that's what I was assuming
[15:57] <fta> and you care use them at the same time
[15:57] <pitti> sure, but we don't want to support two major versions in jaunty, just one
[15:58] <fta> once final 3.1 will replace 3.0, like 3.0 did for 2.0, the idea is to do a smooth transition in universe. not put a beta in main like for hardy. we learned our lesson
[15:58] <asac> pitti: only one will be in main. i dont plan to go for 3.1 by default before its final (dont want to have beta/rc fun again)
[15:59] <fta> -ed+t
[16:00] <pitti> well, the more people actually use 3.1, the more testing we get, no?
[16:00] <asac> pitti: yes. thats why i want it in the archive
[16:00] <pitti> or, the other way round, as long as 3.1 won't be the default, we'll get very little testing?
[16:00] <asac> pitti: also the package versioning stuff was exactly done for this reason
[16:01] <asac> pitti: no. when its in archive more people use it ... also it helps to test and verify bugs and stuff.
[16:01] <pitti> asac: right, but it should be the default version in jaunty right away
[16:01] <asac> pitti: no ... because its not given that it will be final for release
[16:02] <asac> (un)fortunately mozilla doesnt do strict time based releases
[16:02] <pitti> chicken-egg problem
[16:02] <pitti> no testers -> hard to do a good release
[16:02] <directhex> yay for chickens
[16:02] <asac> pitti: it helps us to hav that in universe ... we get more testing by advanced users
[16:02] <asac> which is what we want at this point
[16:03] <directhex> pitti, i think many of the most aggressive package users are the kind who will go out of their way to install 3.1 even if non-default
[16:03] <pitti> jaunty users *are* advanced users :)
[16:03] <asac> if we make it default we would probably get flooded in low-quality bugs again.
[16:03] <pitti> okay, your call
[16:03] <pitti> just wanted to explain my feelings about it
[16:04]  * directhex puts the demo app from webkit# into a package, proposes it as default
[16:04] <directhex> it might not accept enter keypresses ot plugins, but it looks good!
[16:04] <asac> pitti: yes, i would be more aggressive if i would be confident about the final release date.
[16:04] <pitti> asac: so, the new packages should go to universe for now then?
[16:04] <asac> yes please
[16:04] <fta> directhex, sounds like my chromium-browser package ;)
[16:05] <directhex> fta, well, it's a general webkit suckitude issue
[16:05]  * ogra waits for firefox-webkit ... :)
[16:05] <directhex> fta, i hear webkit-gtk patches are... not being applied
[16:05]  * ogra notices half the mozilla team is here and runs quickly
[16:05]  * asac waits for a working epiphany-webkit
[16:05] <pitti> ogra: ... with a safari theme?
[16:06] <directhex> ogra, all the power of webkit-gtk, all the grace and lightweight of XUL?
[16:06] <ogra> pitti, yay :)
[16:06] <pitti> directhex: *chuckle*
[16:06]  * directhex wonders whether pitti has received his angry phone call from nelson mandella yet
[16:07] <fta> ogra, it's not going to happen
[16:07] <pitti> directhex: he doesn't usually call me at this hour
[16:07] <directhex> pitti, the most epic piece of anti-mono-in-ubuntu-context hate i've ever seen, taken from the #boycottnovell irc channel logs: "[01:31] <Omar87> schestowitz: lol, ya know what? Even Nelson Mandela himself should protest of Ubuntu coming with Mono pre-installed and well-incorporated."
[16:08] <pitti> directhex: he's so right; we should really catch up with the time and support Stereo
[16:08] <amikrop> pitti: loool
[16:08] <directhex> pitti, stereo... as in 2.0?
[16:08] <directhex> \o/
[16:08]  * ogra is more quadrophonic nowadays
[16:08] <pitti> as in "welcome to the sound of the 1960's!"
[16:08] <amikrop> :P
[16:08] <directhex> ogra, quadrophonic? sounds like someone wants 2.2!
[16:09] <ogra> :)
[16:09]  * directhex looks at http://mono.ximian.com/mono-packagers/mono-2.2.tar.bz2 and ponders
[16:10] <pitti> fta: hm, shouldn't xulrunner have a versioned libsqlite3-dev build-dep then? I thought you said it needs (>= 3.6.4)?
[16:18] <asac> pitti: nope
[16:18] <pitti> asac: is xulrunner-1.9.1 and firefox-3.1 in fact using the very same tarball? (mozilla-central-3.1~b2+build1-source.tar.bz2)
[16:18] <asac> pitti: we auto detect the version and dont use system-sqlite if its too old
[16:18] <pitti> and just built differently?
[16:18] <pitti> asac: ah, that's done at ./configure? okay then
[16:18] <asac> pitti: we dont add versioned depends on such libs to easy backportability
[16:19] <pitti> but yes, if that ships its own internal copy, then it's definitively better to use the system one and update that
[16:19] <asac> pitti: yes. some magic in rules ... we do it for a bunch of libs ... and doesnt matter because the major version usually doesent change for a release
[16:19] <asac> pitti: we cannot follow bleeding edge mozilla on eeverything
[16:19] <asac> pitti: sqlite is an exception. in fact we shouldnt use other versions than they do
[16:19] <asac> pitti: because they do severe performance testings
[16:20] <pitti> asac: exception in what way?
[16:20] <pitti> I don't see anything wrong with updating the sqlite3 source to 3.6.4
[16:20] <asac> pitti: if you remember the performance threats for jaunty ... there was a benchmark for which sqlite wsa much slower
[16:20] <asac> thats because we use whatever debian used
[16:20] <asac> (its sometimes a 3 fold performance difference you get in minor versions)
[16:21] <pitti> yes, sure, you're preaching to the choir :)
[16:21] <pitti> I just said I'd much rather update the system lib than ship newer internal copies
[16:21] <asac> pitti: yes sure. firefox 3.0 will go to 3.6.4 after next release
[16:21] <asac> there is a regression they cannot accept in their stable branches
[16:22] <asac> but it should be good for jaunty
[16:22] <asac> pitti: we ship the upstream tarball. ... we do that for plenty other libs. following mozilla trunk on system libs would be too much work imo.
[16:22] <asac> once they settle on something we (mozillateam) will ensure there are more libs
[16:23] <asac> from system
[16:24] <asac> pitti: so in short: system libs preferred -> yes. but we should try to target what is currently in xulrunner version that is in main.
[16:27] <asac> pitti: on tarballs: i thin they are currently more or less the same. but thats not the long term idea. its mostly due to some technical constraints of hg ... but we will hopefully be able to strip unneeded stuff from firefox tarball like we did for 3.0
[16:28] <pitti> asac: yeah, I figured; I was just curious
[16:28] <pitti> I thought the projects were completely split upstream now
[16:28] <asac> its just that our "tarball creator" code is not yet able to do that
[16:28] <asac> pitti: upstream has no clue about splitting ;)
[16:28] <pitti> asac: merging distinct upstream projects together apparently works very well, though :-P
[16:28] <asac> pitti: thunderbird 3.0 ships complete mozilla-central + a comm-central repo ... which also has copies from mozilla-central
[16:28] <pitti> brb
[16:29] <asac> pitti: i think its their principal to have everything in one repo
[16:29] <asac> instead provide a mega-complicated custom build thing ;)
[16:33] <pitti> asac: yes, because pkg_config for external libraries is way too hard :)
[16:39]  * fta back
[16:52] <fta> pitti, thanks:
[16:52] <fta> ^:^!
[17:41] <pwnguin> i came across an interesting post on ubuntu weblogs, claiming that the trademark policy restricts the distribution of laptops with ubuntu installed
[17:42] <hyperair> pwnguin: link?
[17:42] <pwnguin> http://www.loopbacking.info/blog/2008/11/28/ubuntu-tips/
[17:43] <hyperair> pwnguin: thanks. that's rather interesting. seems a little baseless though. no proof given
[17:44] <pwnguin> the page itself is fairly straightforward
[17:44] <pwnguin> Permission from us is necessary to use any of the Trademarks under any circumstances other than those specifically permitted above. These include:
[17:44] <pwnguin>     *
[17:44] <pwnguin>       Any commercial use
[17:45] <cody-somerville> pwnguin, I'm pretty sure Canonical licenses the trademark to vendors ;]
[17:45] <pwnguin> for how much?
[17:46] <cody-somerville> pwnguin, If you're interested in purchasing a license, e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[17:46] <pwnguin> im not, but it seems counterproductive
[17:47] <RainCT> pwnguin: why? vendors could ship crappy versions of Ubuntu
[17:47] <pwnguin> no they cant
[17:47] <RainCT> pwnguin: of course they can, it's FLOSS
[17:47] <RainCT> so they can break it as much as they want :)
[17:48] <pwnguin> derived works is a seperate clause
[17:48] <RainCT> ah okay, I didn't say anything then :)
[17:48] <pwnguin> which nobody pays attention to anyways
[17:48] <pwnguin> fluxbuntu, mythbuntu, gobuntu etc
[17:48] <RainCT> pwnguin: gobuntu was from Canonical ;)
[17:49] <pwnguin> i know, even they dont listen to themselves ;)
[17:49] <RainCT> but yeah, you're right
[17:49] <RainCT> lol
[17:50] <pwnguin> even the point of the guy's post was that the restriction just drives them to use infralinux instead of ubuntu
[17:52] <nxvl> but there are a lot of vendors shipping laptops without canonical being involved
[17:52] <nxvl> but most of them contact canonical for hardware support
[17:52] <nxvl> as they do for windows
[17:54] <pwnguin> indeed, reality and the policy don't quite match
[17:55] <nxvl> yup
[17:56] <nxvl> it's just for using it in the case that is really contraproducent for canonical/ubuntu
[17:56] <nxvl> if not, there is no problem
[17:56] <pwnguin> not quite true
[17:56] <nxvl> it's even better for canonical that they ship, so they can contact the vendor and sell them support and hw certification
[17:57] <pwnguin> if people who would ship ubuntu don't out of respect for written policy, there is a problem.
[17:58] <cody-somerville> pwnguin, I'm sure if Canonical identifies it as a problem, they'll deal with it :)
[19:14] <jeanphilippe> I'm doing a project at school, is someone willing to help?
[19:14] <directhex> depends on what. there may be better places to ask
[19:14] <jeanphilippe> Building a linux-distro from source-code
[19:15] <jeanphilippe> I thought of openSUSE, but gobuntu would be fine to
[19:15] <jeanphilippe> too*
[19:15] <directhex> you want to build a distro from source?
[19:16] <directhex> what's your native language?
[19:16] <jeanphilippe> yes. Compile it and making an iso of it
[19:16] <jeanphilippe> Swedish
[19:17] <hyperair> take gentoo
[19:17] <hyperair> everything's compiled from source
[19:17] <directhex> jeanphilippe, for a complete from-scratch bootstrap, you want Linux From Scratch or Gentoo
[19:17] <directhex> jeanphilippe, both have detailed guides, from first principles
[19:19] <jeanphilippe> How do ubuntu-developers do when they make their distribution?
[19:22] <directhex> jeanphilippe, use the stable grounding of an older version, and work from there!
[19:26] <jeanphilippe> I'll try gentoo
[19:27] <jeanphilippe> I've tried rock linux, which sucked
[19:30] <DktrKranz> TheMuso (or any available sponsor for main), mind looking at debdiff in bug 302251? Thanks.
[20:23] <HoppingWombat> hello
[20:24] <HoppingWombat> is anyone available?
[20:26] <directhex> not for support
[20:27] <HoppingWombat> not requesting support ...
[20:48] <slangasek> pitti: ppa version of hal installed, detecting the kill switch works fine, tap0 handling is still insane. :)
[21:50] <lool> siretart_: Blah xine-lib is in pieces in jaunty; it's the victim of 3 API changes already
[22:11] <lool> Now only need to push to my ppa
[22:55] <TheMuso> DktrKranz: re libcanberra, uploaded, thanks.


[13:46] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r985 ubuntu/ (155 files in 62 dirs): merge from Debian 20081029
[16:52] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r986 ubuntu/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Make speakup-modules optional, as we don't have it in Ubuntu yet.
[18:46] <CIA-2> ubiquity: superm1 * r2948 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/mythbuntu_stepDrivers.glade): correct small typo in mythbuntu drivers glade file
[22:15] <TheMuso> evand: I just checked out the log for last week's non-meeting, and saw your request for someone with access to an intel mac to give USB creater a whirl or some such. ave you received any results for that? If not, I am happy to look into it for you.
[22:26] <cjwatson> TheMuso: I checked it out, it failed with flying colours
[22:26] <cjwatson> not likely to be workable in the near future
[22:26] <cjwatson> (bootloader fun and games)
[22:27] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Yeah, Apple's EFI only allows for booting from firewire, I expected as much.,
[22:28] <TheMuso> More to the point, Apple's modifications to EFI.
[22:28] <cjwatson> there's some speculation about odd hacks to make it work ... but yeah, not easily at any rate


[01:44] <FredN> howdy all
[01:46] <Unit193> Howdy, Fred.
[01:51] <wrst> hey hey FredN
[01:51] <FredN> hi wrst
[01:51] <wrst> Unit193: i downloaded 14.04
[01:52] <Unit193> And?
[01:52] <wrst> how are you doing?
[01:52] <wrst> havent looked at it yet
[01:53] <Unit193> They're starting to reather bother me again. :/
[01:53] <Unit193> I've looked at Lubuntu and Xubuntu, but none of the others. :P
[01:53] <wrst> Unit193: bother you how?
[01:53] <wrst> FredN: all going well?
[01:53] <FredN> i am having a self-inflicted issue
[01:54] <Unit193> Little pain, any clothes touching them, etc.
[01:54] <FredN> i tried to create/modify .pam_environment
[01:54] <wrst> ahh staples... not ubuntu
[01:54] <wrst> FredN: what does that do?
[01:54] <FredN> funky syntax wouldn't let me login
[01:55] <wrst> thats not good :)
[01:55] <FredN> it's a file that sets environment variables on startup
[01:55] <FredN> well i managed to get to it in recovery mode with the shell
[01:56] <FredN> and erase the variables i made
[01:56] <wrst> that can be handy
[01:56] <FredN> also renamed the file
[01:56] <FredN> still can't login haha
[01:56] <FredN> i'm in as a guest right now
[01:58] <FredN> been trying to figure out what else i messed up
[01:59] <wrst> i bet Unit193 can help if the pain meds haven't kicked in
[01:59] <Unit193> Haven't taken any.
[02:00] <Unit193> .{ICE,X}authority?  What happens exactly?  Looked at logs?
[02:01] <FredN> what is .{ICE,X}
[02:02] <Unit193> Means I'm too lazy to type out .Xauthority and .ICEauthority.
[02:02] <FredN> oh i see haha
[02:02] <Unit193> If the GUI hangs after logging in, use <ctrl><alt><f1> to switch to text mode. Log in and do: rm  .{X,ICE}authority
[02:05] <wrst> Unit193: you always have the answer even after being cut on
[02:12] <FredN> Ok when I try to login the problem that keeps coming up is various commands cannot be located because /bin is not in my path
[02:21] <wrst> something I think like this will fix it temporarily:
[02:21] <wrst> export PATH=/usr/bin:/bin
[02:30] <wrst> howdy Omnifrog
[02:30] <Omnifrog> hi wrst
[02:44] <FredN> My path was changed to something I recently installed
[02:44] <FredN>  I used export PATH
[03:02] <Unit193> So you null'd it?
[03:14] <FredN> I am about to see if this works
[03:15] <FredN>  using export PATH made a big difference in my level of control
[03:15] <FredN>  so I think I actually did what I needed to
[03:18] <FredN> Seems fixed :D
[03:18] <wrst> Unit193: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pbzpezyly9tx4ob/IMG_20140224_211732.jpg
[03:19] <FredN> Thanks for the help guys. Good night
[03:19] <wrst> FredN: if you did what i posted i dont think that will stick after rebooting
[03:19] <wrst> Omnifrog: how is the grandbaby doing?
[03:20] <FredN>  wrst I did the sticky version
[03:20] <Omnifrog> doing great!
[03:20] <Unit193> wrst: 3 minutes?
[03:20] <Unit193> 30?
[03:20] <FredN>  but I used the temporary version to make it stick
[03:20] <Omnifrog> the kids were over yesterday
[03:20] <Omnifrog> Madelyn had the hickups
[03:21] <wrst> Unit193: ??
[03:21] <Omnifrog> is was adorable
[03:21] <wrst> cool :)
[03:21] <Unit193> How long it lasts. :P
[03:21] <wrst> oh its going on the spinning drive
[03:21] <wrst> not ssd
[03:21] <wrst> so certainly not primary
[03:38] <wrst> ok yeah the shopping lens is horrible, nothing like having someone half naked on your search results the very first time you use an OS
[03:38] <Unit193> 0_o
[03:39] <wrst> yeah Unit193 you may be correct may not last for long because that is absolute garbage
[03:41] <wrst> oh and Unit193 apt is slow :P
[03:41] <Unit193> Meh.
[03:44] <wrst> but its fine, the other stuff is not good
[03:44] <wrst> and it does  alot too, pacman does nothing other than install stuff
[03:51] <wrst> well Unit193 this is like windows 98 just spent 20 mintues searching how to get rid of bloat/crapware
[03:52] <Unit193> wrst: In the settings thingy there's a privacy thingy, select the thingy.
[03:55] <wrst> it kept locking up
[03:55] <wrst> now I can select it :)
[03:56] <wrst> go figure
[03:57] <wrst> but I wanted the stuff gone didn't want to disable it anyway
[11:27] <wrst> ok Unit193, when you get all the junk off the desktop its not so bad
[11:27] <wrst> its actually fairly nice
[21:40] <wrst> Unit193: so... feeling better today?
[21:43] <Unit193> 'bout the same for now.
[21:44] <wrst> from what I understand you should start feeling better progressively a few days after? so hopefully you are getting close
[22:20] <Unit193> Slowly, but nevertheless.
[22:21] <wrst> way too slowly no doubt


[03:03] <spasticteapot> I have a rather thorny problem: I would like to install Xubuntu on a machine with 192mb of RAM and a sketchy CD-ROM drive.
[03:03] <spasticteapot> Is there a way to boot the "Alternate Install" CD off of a pen drive?
[03:04] <th0r> spasticteapot, only if your computer bios supports booting off a pen drive
[03:05] <spasticteapot> th0r: This may be a problem - it's a bit long in the tooth.
[03:05] <th0r> yup...kinda figured that
[03:05] <th0r> I have a similar laptop and just gave in and put xp on it....it seems to run better on limited resources
[03:06] <spasticteapot> th0r: I severely doubt that.
[03:07] <spasticteapot> Once you start removing unnecessary ram-hogs like Evolution and Firefox, Xubuntu is far better.
[03:07] <th0r> it just runs my website....doesn't have to do much. The pcmcia slot is fried, so I have to use usb for wifi, and the wifi dongle I have ubuntu didn't recognize
[03:07] <spasticteapot> And there's always AntiX
[03:07] <spasticteapot> th0r: You run a server...on WinXP?
[03:07] <spasticteapot> o0
[03:07] <th0r> yup....xp pro
[03:08] <th0r> use abyss for the web server software....absolutely hate iis
[03:08] <spasticteapot> I've never had an XP box that didn't crash on a regular basis.
[03:08] <spasticteapot> Or end up full of spyware.
[03:08] <th0r> would much prefer ubuntu...but for the wifi. I really should just dump the box and buy another.
[03:08] <j1mc> th0r: you could try the minimal install cd
[03:09] <spasticteapot> th0r: Are you using 8.04?
[03:09] <th0r> jlmc, I got ubuntu installed OK, but it wouldn't recognize the wifi, so I went back to xp on that box. This is my main machine, and it is on hardy
[03:09] <th0r> spasticteapot, yeah...this one is 8.04
[03:09] <spasticteapot> Even my Linksys WUSB11 adapter - which was until recently unusable with any linux distro - works under 8.04.
[03:10] <th0r> spasticteapot, agreed for the most part. This one uses an atheros chipset for wifi and worked out of the box, but the other one gave me problems and it just wasn't worth messing with
[03:11] <spasticteapot> th0r: You do realize that wifi adapters cost about $7 nowadays?
[03:11] <th0r> especially for a website no one but me visits <smile>
[03:11] <th0r> spasticteapot, a fried pcmcia and a usb1.1 slot....not worth $7 <smile>
[03:12] <spasticteapot> th0r: Bah. Send it to me if you don't want it.
[03:13] <th0r> spasticteapot, like I said...I hate to throw it away. It runs fine as is...sits in a corner and runs the little personal website I tinker with
[03:13] <spasticteapot> I'll offer you...$8 for it!
[03:14] <spasticteapot> :P
[03:14] <th0r> if I sold it, I would have to depend on the internet for entertainment instead of my own network <smile>
[03:14] <spasticteapot> You can get old PCs on Craigslist for $20.
[03:15] <th0r> spasticteapot, I am a laptop fan. I have three running here right now. I am into one via rdp that is encrypting a usb drive with truecrypt, I am watching hulu and talking here and on #ubuntu here...and the third laptop is running the website
[03:16] <th0r> six years living on a boat, and now an rv....don't have room for a pc <smile>
[03:17] <spasticteapot> You lived on a boat???
[03:17] <th0r> yup..a 28' sloop. Sailed it single-handed for six years (well...I have the dog but he refuses to help)
[03:19] <spasticteapot> And you're on land now?
[03:19] <spasticteapot> Hmm.
[03:19] <th0r> yup. Working as a net admin for a small wireless isp. money didn't last forever <smile>
[03:19] <spasticteapot> :(
[03:20] <spasticteapot> So, how do you connect to the internets?
[03:20] <th0r> spasticteapot, that's ok though...I had a great six years
[03:20] <th0r> I have a motorola canopy, 5.7GHz radio. that links to our equipment on one of the water towers in the area. I live about 20 miles outside of Dallas, Texas
[03:23] <th0r> does anyone here use fusesmb? I have it autostarting and while it finds the network drives and maps them OK, it won't let me into them. I have to unmount and remount fusesmb to get it to work
[04:04] <mrwislr> hello everyone
[04:04] <mrwislr> anyone alive?
[04:05] <spasticteapot> Possibly.
[04:05] <mrwislr> i am having a strange problem with xubuntu and firefox
[04:06] <mrwislr> when i click on links to download some files "mostly document files"   it only gives me the option to save file or cancel no option to open with
[04:06] <mrwislr> i have installed gnome-firefox-support   that was suggested but that didn't do anything
[04:07] <mrwislr> all the helper applications seems to be in place properly
[04:07] <mrwislr> so i'm not sure what the deal is
[09:05] <Lukipela> So, i installed Xubuntu.. but it only uses about 3/4 of my laptop screen, i have huge black lines around the side, is there a solution for this.. ?
[09:05]  * Lukipela dance
[09:10] <Lukipela> One would think there would be community support at this time of night, where are the bigger nerds when i need them?!
[10:12] <mnemoc> hi, how can one get the translations for "Applications" and "Places" from command line?
[10:35] <mnemoc> found
[10:35] <mnemoc> thanks ,-)
[12:36] <xubuntuuser> How can you edit the system menu?
[12:56] <jarnos> Anybody have used removable drives that have several partitions with Xubuntu?
[13:02] <jarnos> I mean is there anyone online that has experience in using removable drives that have many partitions by Xubuntu.
[13:15] <jarnos> I am wondering, if you see several items in Thunar and what happens, if you try to eject one.
[14:58] <Mat-Cauthon> hey.. can somebody help me with a problem concerning mediakeys? i've used settings -> settings manager -> keyboard | shortcuts to add commands for my mute, decrease and increase volume keys
[14:59] <Mat-Cauthon> however when i recorded the shortcut it did register that a key was pressed, but it showed as an empty field in the shortcut column
[14:59] <Mat-Cauthon> at the time a added the second shortcut it gave me a message that the key was already bound (although i was using a different mediakey)
[15:00] <Mat-Cauthon> i confirmed anyways and had 3 entries with an "empty" shortcut assigned to them
[15:00] <Mat-Cauthon> well, they did actually work to some degree, except that the volume up button responded only every once in a while
[15:01] <Mat-Cauthon> so i deleted those shortcuts and wanted to do the mapping using xev and xmodmap
[15:01] <Mat-Cauthon> but for some reason those bindings still seem to be in place :-s
[15:02] <Mat-Cauthon> although i've deleted them in the keyboard settings gui
[15:04] <Mat-Cauthon> in xev i get a FocusOut, FocusIn and KeymapNotify event
[15:04] <Mat-Cauthon> when pressing any of those 3
[15:07] <Mat-Cauthon> uh.. nobody here or just nobody here who can help me? ^^
[15:13] <Riotta> hmm
[15:13] <Riotta> what keyboard Mat-Cauthon ?
[15:17] <Mat-Cauthon> well, the internal one on my dell xps m170
[15:26] <Jonny0stars> Hello
[15:27] <Jonny0stars> not exactly a xubutu specific question but its too busy in #ubuntu
[15:28] <Jonny0stars> is there anyway to force apt-get to install a specific version of a package
[15:28] <Jonny0stars> i cant build eeepc kernel headers because a package is to new
[15:29] <Jonny0stars> http://pastebin.com/d40eb57e6
[16:10] <Mat-Cauthon> can somebody tell me where the shortcuts created using the xcfe settings manager -> keyboard settings GUI are saved?
[16:10] <Mat-Cauthon> xfce*
[16:29] <fufumimi> hi, what's the difference between desktop and alternate cd?
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: the alternaitve cd is text-mode only. the desktop cd is a live desktop environment
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> !alternative
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> !LiveCD
[16:32] <fufumimi> which is recommended?
[16:33] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: well, what are you trying to install on? the alternative cd needs less ram. so if you have < 400 mb, use the alt cd
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> also the alt cd has more options, like full disk encryption.
[16:34] <Odd-rationale> but the desktop cd has a live xubuntu desktop on it.
[16:35] <fufumimi> erm i got 1.2g ram on the laptop..and i dont need encryption.. so i guess i will take desktop instead
[16:35] <fufumimi> i guess if i can install ubuntu on the laptop fine..xubuntu should work too
[16:36] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: correct. just faster... :P
[16:36] <fufumimi> yup..i just tried ubuntu..sluggish..but nicer than windows
[16:37] <Odd-rationale> fufumimi: well, did you have compiz on? that usually slow things down considerably.
[16:37] <fufumimi> i guess so but still its sluggish...and it installs stuff that i dont need..lol
[17:13] <PathagenX> Hey. I apt'd the latest xfce and it ?messed around with the gamma for gtk2? i purged xfce but the weird settings remained.
[17:13] <PathagenX> any ideas on causes/solutions?
[17:15] <gopp> hi how do I get wifi via the cli in ubuntu
[17:16] <gopp> I tryed iwconfig wlan0
[17:16] <gopp> I tryed iwconfig wlan0 up
[17:16] <gopp> but I could not get it
[17:26] <Valsum> try iwconfig
[17:26] <Valsum> then iwconfig eth1 (or the one you have your dev on) scan
[17:27] <Valsum> then iwconfig essid <nameofconnection> and that's it
[17:27] <Valsum> sorry
[17:27] <Valsum> iwconfig eth1 essid <name>
[17:27] <Valsum> you might have to type ifconfig eth1 up before scanning
[17:28] <PathagenX> also I am fixing this problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4040893 need to reinstall libopenexr2c2a but dpkg is saying: Bus error (core dumped). How do I reinstall something when dpkg is packing a sad?
[17:32] <gopp> Valsum thanks
[17:32] <Valsum> np gopp
[17:32] <gopp> Valsum lastquestion what about security
[17:32] <Valsum> PathagenX: sorry, dunno
[17:32] <gopp> I setup wpa
[17:34] <Valsum> hmm didn't it ask for your password after 'iwconfig eth1 essid <name>'? seems I forgot
[17:36] <Valsum> ah yes it was, afterwards, 'iwconfig eth1 key s:<pass>'
[17:37] <Valsum> and remember to use sudo in all the process ;)
[17:37] <Valsum> one last step I forgot, and Google reminded me: sudo dhclient eth1
[17:40] <Valsum> bah he had left and I had missed it :P
[18:00] <gopp> hey
[18:00] <gopp> I can't get to seem to get wireless up
[18:21] <dell> anyone have any problems with java applets with FF3 on xubuntu?
[18:24] <dell> are the updates listed in update manager really that important? most of them are related to stuff i never use
[18:25] <Valsum> I think I'm having some troubles with java in ff too, and I recommend updating ;)
[18:27] <gopp> oh
[19:11] <oren> i want to add support to writing in japanese. i went to Language support and checked in japanese. what else should i do?
[19:30] <floating> oren
[19:31] <floating> go check in some options if you have a tag for support for complex languages
[19:31] <floating> im not on xubuntu now, but i had problems with it too..
[19:31] <floating> i tagged it and untagged and tagged...
[19:32] <oren> now i am trying to replace us with jp in xorg.
[19:32] <floating> オレンさんは日本人なの
[19:32] <floating> you dont have to do that i think
[19:33] <floating> there are some websites that has help for installing scim
[19:33] <floating> type ubuntu scim in google
[19:33] <oren> ok
[19:34] <oren> floating: wife ga nihon jin desu
[19:35] <floating> aa okkee desu =)
[19:36] <oren> after replacing us with jp in xorg and restarting, i still write only in english, what's going on?
[19:36] <floating> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
[19:37] <floating> its little bit complex... so complex that i dont have time to start checking the things in more detail right now |(
[19:37] <oren> ok. i'll take a look.
[19:37] <floating> actually it can be really simple.. but if there is a problem... then not
[19:38] <oren> floating: btw, i check the option to enable complex characters but after reboot it's uncheck again.
[19:38] <floating> Under Xubuntu 8.04, you will need to install scim-bridge-client-gtk via synaptic in order to successfully check the "Enable support to enter complex characters" option, in the Language Support menu
[19:39] <oren> floating: got it. will do it now.
[19:39] <floating> if apt-get scim-bridge-client-gtk doesnt help.. then there is some other scim-xxx-x-xxx-qt  that you might have to install
[19:40] <floating> i forgot the name
[19:41] <oren> and do u swicth between languages with the icon on the top bar?
[19:44] <floating> i have a japanese keyboard, so i press the カタカナひらがな button to switch
[19:44] <floating> perhaps alt-shift switches by default too
[19:45] <floating> there is the scim bar where you can switch the keyboard too ^^
[19:45] <floating> i actually use only the japanese keyboard, i switch between input method
[19:45] <floating> you can also switch between keyboard layouts instead
[19:50] <oren> after adding the package u mentioned i can check the complex characters checkbox. but still, my icon shows only the us flag and alt+shift does not change the language.
[19:52] <oren> i try click on open office and gedit. not sure if i'll find anything.
[19:52] <oren> (i mean right click)
[19:54] <oren> right click in open office, 'set language'. i set japanese as default. still no change...
[20:12] <oren> i changed the xinput.d file..
[20:12] <oren> instead if xim i put scim-bridge
[20:15] <oren> : scratch his head.
[20:15] <oren> :me scratch his head.
[20:15]  * oren test
[20:16]  * oren scratch his head.
[20:16]  * j1mc test
[20:16] <j1mc> oren: what is your question?
[20:17] <oren> j1mc: swith between english and another language.
[20:17] <oren> j1mc: switch
[20:18] <Kiba`> Applications -> System -> Language Support -> Default Language?
[20:18] <oren> i installed scim-bridge agent, edited my xorg to us,jp, edited xinput.d file but nothing helps.
[20:19] <oren> Kiba`: let me try
[20:20] <Kiba`> well, not sure if that's actually what you want :x
[20:20] <Kiba`> also, i'm a total beginner :-s
[20:20] <oren> Kiba`: rebooting. i am trying it but i don't realy want to have default japanese. let see anyway.
[20:21] <oren> Kiba`: i want default english.
[20:21] <Kiba`> do you want to change the language itself or do you just want to type in japanese?
[20:22] <oren> Kiba`: it looks like my xfce is japanese now...i want the ability to write in japanese/english.
[20:23] <oren> Kiba`: the funny part is now i still can't WRITE in japanese..
[20:23] <Kiba`> ^^
[20:23] <Kiba`> press ctrl+space
[20:24] <Kiba`> or i think that was the combination SCIM used
[20:25] <oren> Kiba`: when i do it i can't write anymore but see a new small bar in the right bottom corner.
[20:25] <oren> Kiba`: what is this?
[20:26] <Kiba`> ോേ്ൈൌൈാൈൌാ
[20:26] <Kiba`> woops
[20:26] <Kiba`> um, that should be the SCIM thingy
[20:27] <oren> Kiba`: but i can't write anything. only after hiting ctrl+space again i can. but in english.
[20:28] <Kiba`> maybe try in another application
[20:29] <Kiba`> not sure if you can actually type japanese characters into the terminal
[20:30] <oren> Kiba`: actually when i type ctrl+space i can write into a buffer and hit enter. then it paste whatever i typed to the doc. but it's wierd english. no japanese.
[20:47] <siggjen> i have a problem setting up my new RAID system
[20:47] <siggjen> When i make a new partition it will only become 747 GB large
[20:47] <siggjen> and there is 2.73TiB available /:
[21:22] <nikolam> syslogd and klogd just went crazy after I used a kvm virtual machine with Virtual Machine manager.
[21:23] <nikolam> I shut down Vm`s but syslogd and klogd are using so much cpu now
[21:28] <oren> i got japanese in gedit using scim. when i try it in open office it display dibrish. do i need to install font for open office?
[21:32] <hvgotcodes> hey how much smaller is xubuntu than ubuntu?
[21:34] <oren> hvgotcodes: mine is 4 inch smaller. i think it's xfce that makes the difference.
[21:34] <hvgotcodes> oren: ha
[21:34] <hvgotcodes> i meant how much less space does an initial install take up
[21:35] <oren> oh...about 350 grams less, as long as u don't install gnome.
[21:36] <hvgotcodes> hey this is a serious question
[21:36] <oren> hvgotcodes: i think it can fit in 1 gb. if u want to save space install the alternate version. let me find the link.
[21:37] <oren> hvgotcodes: last week i installed debian. it's around 400 mb with no X. with X it's around 600 mb. try to beat that!!
[21:37] <hvgotcodes> thats pretty good
[21:38] <hvgotcodes> i think on my new laptop im going with xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[21:38] <oren> hvgotcodes: install the bare-bone debian. add X and add your favorite window manager/desktop environment.
[21:38] <oren> hvgotcodes: mine is dwm - it's 20k !!! written in c. very speedy as u can guess.
[21:39] <oren> hvgotcodes: good choice. there is nothing u loose. only the bloat..
[21:39] <hvgotcodes> you know i couldnt find a hardy guide for getting the latest awesome installed
[21:39] <oren> hvgotcodes: i started with awesome, than xmonad and now i am in dwm. for life..
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> in the end though i want eye candy
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> so compiz the xfce for me
[21:40] <oren> hvgotcodes: ok..
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> im getting an m1530 with 4gb or ram and the 256 nvidia 8600 m
[21:40] <hvgotcodes> 2.5ghz penryn
[21:41] <hvgotcodes> hey man are you having trouble getting to gmail?
[21:41] <hvgotcodes> gmail wont load for me
[21:43] <oren> i just googled for u: "What I can tell you is that a complete install from the live CD (Xubuntu), including Abiword, occupies a total of 1.3 GB."
[21:43] <oren> i found it on a forum.
[21:44] <oren> abiword is the lightweight replacement for open office.
[21:45] <oren> and u also get gnumeric to replace excel.
[21:45] <hvgotcodes> i want to avoid gnome bloat
[21:47] <oren> hvgotcodes: great. i am searching for u. xubuntu alternate. it allow u to customize your xubuntu, unlike the regular install.
[21:48] <oren> hvgotcodes: and don't be scared of debian, go to #debian and tell us your hardware and we will tell u if it's going to work well.
[21:51] <Kiba`> can somebody tell me why my bootsplash screen consists only of strange vertical stripes? :-s
[21:51] <Kiba`> err, horizontal
[21:52] <oren> xorg issue? did u edit xorg.conf?
[21:53] <Kiba`> not yet, no
[21:58] <oren> hvgotcodes: get the xubuntu alternate cd from here: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.04/release/
[21:58] <oren> hvgotcodes: btw, it's the same installer as debian. text base.
[22:02] <hvgotcodes> oren thanx for the advice
[22:03] <hvgotcodes> im pretty sure all the hardware is supported'
[22:03] <hvgotcodes> not sure want text based installl
[22:05] <hvgotcodes> oren: have you tried arch?
[22:07] <oren> hvgotcodes: no. only ubuntu/xubuntu/damn small/puppy and debian.
[22:08] <hvgotcodes> was thinking about it but don't want to mess with configs
[22:08] <hvgotcodes> *buntu is right for mw
[22:08] <oren> hvgotcodes: arch don't use apt for package management. people say apt is the best so i am sticking with debian-based.
[22:12] <hvgotcodes> is the alternate cd text based/
[22:15] <oren> yes. don't worry.
[22:15] <hvgotcodes> like text but with graphics, or like command line gentoo style?
[22:16] <oren> text with nice menu. let me google for it.
[22:17] <hvgotcodes> you are very helpful thanx
[22:18] <oren> hvgotcodes: i love to help and always get help when i need it.
[22:26] <oren> here is a page with screenshots of the debian installer which i think is used by the alternate xubuntu: http://www.code-monkeys.org/d-i/debian-installer.html
[22:26] <oren> hvgotcodes: my last message is for u
[22:27] <oren> hvgotcodes: if u just want to try different linux distros u can install virtualbox. it's a great virtualization app.
[22:28] <oren> hvgotcodes: r u familiar with the virtual machine concept?
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> oren yeah
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> i like ubuntu
[22:29] <hvgotcodes> i just want xbuntu because i never use anything in gnome
[22:32] <oren> hvgotcodes: great. if u r scared of the text based install just get the regular xubuntu cd.
[22:37] <hvgotcodes> not scared -- just want ot be up and running as soon as i can after i get the machine
[22:38] <hvgotcodes> it allows one to customize installed softare? like check here if you want open office, etc?
[22:42] <oren> i don't remember what kind of customization u get. if u want fast, just get the regular xubuntu. if u want more control get the alternat.
[22:42] <oren> alternate.
[22:47] <djouallah> where to change default os to boot ?
[22:47] <whileimher> hi. Is there any way to make a panel be double layered. What I mean is to have it be twice as high as it normally is but have double the items. Does that make sense?
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> djouallah: from the grub menu. press esc while grub is loading during boot up.
[22:48] <Odd-rationale> whileimher: you can put two panels... one below another...
[22:49] <whileimher> Yeah that is what I mean I think
[22:49] <Odd-rationale> hvgotcodes: no, the alternative cd (nor the desktop cd for that matter) does not allow you to pick and choose packages to install... i wish though...
[22:49] <whileimher> I need to have a bit more room to store my icons and such.
[23:06] <whileimher> Its amazing how fast KDE apps work on XFCE. Faster than even when I used KDE as my desktop
[23:08] <Genelyk>   uhmm
[23:09] <Genelyk> on bug , duoble bar in splashboot
[23:09] <Genelyk> and not configure  my video Ati
[23:19] <djouallah> goo d work guy, just installed xubuntu on a dell laptop, to be short, it is a damn good work
[23:24] <hvgotcodes> i can apply gtk themes to xfce right?
[23:25] <oren> hvgotcodes: what's gtk themes?
[23:25] <hvgotcodes> gnome is built on the gtk library
[23:25] <hvgotcodes> i think other wm/DEs can use gtk themes
[23:26] <hvgotcodes> so metacity is for the window borders, gtk actually themes all display elements
[23:26] <hvgotcodes> when you see screenshots that are dark, its a gtk theme....
[23:33] <oren> hvgotcodes: got it.
[23:37] <Genelyk> not icon of firefox  , in panel top    , alpha 1


[13:50] <hatch> busy here today!
[13:50] <rick_h__> wheeee
[13:55] <hatch> rick_h__ any idea what the best way is to pull down a branch from a merge request for qa?
[13:55] <rick_h__> hatch: git checkout -b qa-something
[13:56] <hatch> right, except the pr page doesn't include the full paths anywhere does it?
[13:56] <rick_h__> actually it's in the pull request notes
[13:56] <rick_h__> look at the block with the "Merge pull request" button
[13:56] <rick_h__> there's a not about "on the command line"
[13:56] <rick_h__> skip step 1, just go to develop, create a new branch to qa into
[13:56] <hatch> ahhh, I totally missed that link
[13:57] <rick_h__> and do step 2
[13:57] <rick_h__> qa, and then comment on the pull request
[13:57] <rick_h__> obvious skip step 3 since that's a landing step
[13:57] <hatch> yup, I just didn't want to go and get the url myself :)
[13:57] <hatch> <--- lazy today
[13:58] <rick_h__> there's another way
[13:58] <rick_h__> if you do a git fetch, and you've got pull reqests in your refspec
[13:58] <rick_h__> it'll note them and you can git pull origin/$huwsbranch I think
[13:58] <rick_h__> sec
[13:59] <hatch> hmm right but I have uncommitted changes in my active branch and have to stash them
[13:59] <hatch> I will make a qa'ing repo
[14:00] <rick_h__> hatch: k, so git stash
[14:00] <rick_h__> hatch: and then git co develop
[14:00] <hatch> right
[14:00] <rick_h__> git co -b qz
[14:00] <rick_h__> qa
[14:00] <hatch> git stash makes sublime over ssh go crazy
[14:00] <hatch> it like loses track of the file references or something
[14:01] <rick_h__> hatch: looks like really good http://www.somethingorothersoft.com/2012/05/22/pulling-github-pull-requests-with-git/
[14:01] <gary_poster> rick_h__, git make distfile conversation after standup?
[14:01] <rick_h__> gary_poster: sure thing
[14:01] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[14:02] <hatch> our repo is large
[14:08] <hatch> the qa of huws branch is pretty cool
[14:10] <frankban> wow, new kanban... it has card subtasks, seems interesting
[14:11] <hatch> looks the same to me :(
[14:11] <rick_h__> heh yea. It took me a while to find the external card id this weekend
[14:11] <frankban> guihelp: I need two review for https://codereview.appspot.com/39380043 (python/quickstart). Anyone available? Thanks!
[14:11] <rick_h__> frankban: I've got a call, but can look later in the day
[14:12] <hatch> maybe I've got to log out and log back in
[14:12]  * gary_poster on calls till a lot later
[14:12] <frankban> rick_h__: thanks
[14:16]  * bac hi
[14:16] <bac> frankban: i'll look
[14:17] <frankban> bac: thank you
[14:23]  * frankban bbiab
[14:26] <hatch> wow...so Microsoft is issuing takedown notices for Ubuntu now...
[14:34]  * benji issues a takedown notice to Mondays
[14:35] <rick_h__> hatch: so I tried out the shortcut in that blog post and you can git checkout pr/6
[14:35] <rick_h__> hatch: works nice
[14:35] <hatch> rick_h__ so `git clone <juju-gui-repo>` then `git checkout pr/6` ?
[14:35] <rick_h__> hatch: hmm, actually no. Well it adds a fetch-pr command
[14:36] <hatch> rick_h__ so I made a new folder called qa
[14:36] <hatch> cloned juju-gui into that
[14:37] <hatch> made a branch for his stuff
[14:37] <hatch> then pulled his branch into that
[14:37] <hatch> took a while, but future branches should be faster
[14:39] <rick_h__> ah there we go
[14:40] <rick_h__> hatch: ok, so with that fetch-pr the process would be http://paste.ubuntu.com/6546053/
[14:40] <rick_h__> oh wait, that final checkout should be a merge
[14:40]  * rick_h__ starts over with a fresh repo
[14:40] <hatch> is co 'checkout' ?
[14:40] <hatch> ok that's more steps than I did
[14:40] <hatch> :)
[14:41] <rick_h__> hatch: yes, but fast
[14:42] <hatch> it looks like a good candidate for an alias method
[14:42] <hatch> :)
[14:42] <rick_h__> hatch: yes, although you need names for the branch and the pull request number
[14:43] <hatch> I was sure you could create methods in git
[14:43] <rick_h__> but git qa-pr 6 qa-sticky-headers would work
[14:43] <hatch> yeah
[14:43] <rick_h__> hatch: definitely, it's what this link is doing
[14:43] <rick_h__> the fetch-pr is a new helper as an alias
[14:44] <rick_h__> hah alias = "!sh -c '[ $# = 2 ] && git config --global alias.\"$1\" \"$2\" && exit 0 || echo \"usage: git alias <new alias> <original command>\" >&2 && exit 1' -"
[14:52] <rick_h__> hatch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6546113/
[14:52] <rick_h__> hatch: changes it to be
[14:52] <rick_h__> git qa-pr juju 6 qa-stick-headers
[14:53] <rick_h__> juju is the remote of the official juju repository (vs your fork since the pr is there) and 6 is the pr number and finally the name of the qa branch to create
[14:56] <hatch> marcoceppi so does it usually take a couple weeks to get a charm approved for the store? Anything I can do to speed up the process of getting that Ghost charm in there?
[14:57] <marcoceppi> hatch: do my work for me
[14:57] <hatch> haha well you can just approve it
[14:57] <hatch> it passes proof
[14:57] <marcoceppi> I'm the only reviewing charmer atm
[14:57] <hatch> ohh
[14:58] <marcoceppi> hatch: proof != passing review
[14:58] <marcoceppi> hatch I'll review tonight
[14:58] <hatch> ok cool - I'm more concerned that outsiders are in the same boat
[14:58] <hatch> I'm not blaming you btw
[14:59] <hatch> just that we may need to figure out a more streamlined process
[15:00] <hatch> marcoceppi I know - make me a reviewer, I'll review it :D
[15:03] <marcoceppi> hatch: feel free to apply :)
[15:03] <hatch> oh man I gotta apply?
[15:03] <hatch> :P
[15:04] <marcoceppi> yeah, I know right? Such barrier
[15:04] <hatch> ╯□）╯︵-┻━┻
[15:08] <hatch> rick_h__ curious - when I make edits to posts do you get emails of each edit?
[15:09] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, I've been getting double emails
[15:09] <hatch> sorry :)
[15:09] <hatch> I'll remember that
[15:09] <rick_h__> hatch: all good, "delete thread" :)
[15:09] <hatch> haha
[15:09] <hatch> now that I've done that, back to fighting with d3
[15:10] <rick_h__> hatch: did you try the alias? ^
[15:10] <hatch> negative
[15:10] <hatch> I have it open though
[15:10] <rick_h__> note it for next one?
[15:10] <hatch> I'll set it up for the next time
[15:10] <hatch> yep
[15:10] <rick_h__> paste the two commands into your .gitconfig :)
[15:20] <hatch> this weekend I wrote a js solution to the Secret Santa Dart Dare https://gist.github.com/hatched/7873759 I think it's the most performant way, maybe someone else has a better solution
[15:23] <bac> review done frankban
[15:24] <hatch> rick_h__ get your light installed this weekend?
[15:24] <rick_h__> hatch: yep
[15:24] <hatch> so you found the right breaker then? :)
[15:24] <rick_h__> kitchen looks nice. Now the only issue is that I've gone with the 53k daylight led bulbs and the other areas are looking odd with their yellow-ish tint
[15:24] <rick_h__> hatch: hah, I flipped a few off. Never can be too safe :)
[15:25] <rick_h__> sorry, 5300 not 53k
[15:25] <hatch> yeah my house is like that too, half the lights are white and the rest are yellow...I'm slowly converting them to LED's but damn they are pricey
[15:25] <rick_h__> yea, I've gotten 20 of these white leds in the last month. :/
[15:26] <hatch> a few years ago I picked up one of these http://www.fluke.com/fluke/caen/digital-multimeters/Fluke-170.htm?PID=56027
[15:27] <rick_h__> heh, I've got the Fluke 117
[15:27] <hatch> and one of those circuit breaker tester things
[15:27] <hatch> trying to find a link but I can't :/
[15:27] <rick_h__> ah, cool
[15:28] <hatch> the ones where you attach things to the wires and then the tool thing tells you which breaker it's hooked too
[15:28] <rick_h__> yep
[15:28] <hatch> my house wiring wasn't labeled -at-all-
[15:28] <hatch> there wasn't a SINGLE label on the panel lol
[15:30] <bac> hatch: i had them run all of the phone/data to a central closet so i could hook it all up to a router/panel.  none of it was labeled.  infuriating.
[15:31] <hatch> lol ugh that's the worst! I don't even know of a way to test those....trial and error?
[15:31] <rick_h__> they make tone tools to check
[15:31] <hatch> oh cool
[15:35] <hatch> the more I work on d3, the more I'm convinced it was not designed for our usecase lol
[15:36] <hatch> academically, it's approach to problems is pretty interesting.....
[15:36] <frankban> bac: thanks
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10, kanban now.
[15:50] <hatch> Makyo after the call mind pairing on this perf branch? I'm running into some d3 funnyness that I'm at a total loss on what's going on
[15:51] <Makyo> hatch, sure.
[15:51] <hatch> thx
[15:58] <Makyo> jujugui call in 2
[16:00] <bac> coming
[16:19] <bac> gary_poster: if you have a suggested next card speak now.  :)
[16:21] <gary_poster> bac, :-) any non-blocked card is good.  you could take point on jujucharms or you could fix that new charm bug or you could fixthe charmworld bug, or...lotsa things
[16:22] <bac> gary_poster: ok, cool
[16:22] <bac> gary_poster: forgot to mention i'll probably have to go about 4 to retrieve post-op jojo
[16:25] <Makyo> hatch, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpibqvsna48s50l5ibn5eci0?hl=en
[16:27] <gary_poster> bac, ok.  hope he is ok
[16:28] <bac> gary_poster: should be.  "just" quilting his ear to get rid of a hematoma.  not like a lung transplant or anything.
[16:28] <gary_poster> ok cool-ish
[16:29] <bac> he probably isn't so cavalier about it, since it is his ear
[16:30] <gary_poster> :-) yeah
[16:36] <hatch> gary_poster Makyo figures he knows what the problem is but isn't sure of a workaround so I'm going to pass it off in hopes that it's a trivial fix
[16:36] <gary_poster> ack thanks hatch & Makyo
[16:36] <Makyo> gary_poster, hatch going to land current SSH keys branch first, + call with rick_h__ when free.
[16:36] <hatch> yeah that
[16:36] <gary_poster> sounds good
[16:39] <hatch> Makyo https://github.com/hatched/juju-gui/tree/inspector-performance thanks
[16:40] <hatch> here is the commit of this branch https://github.com/hatched/juju-gui/commit/8a9b79b36da3a39b7dd6f7dccdc882ad4712416a
[16:41] <hatch> gary_poster any preference for cards for me? Shall I start on the fullscreen removal?
[16:41] <gary_poster> sure hatch sounds good :-)
[16:45] <hatch> rick_h__ there appears to be an issue with our gitignore.... it throws an error when I try and use `git add *` instead of adding the changed files not in the .gitignore it fails with a 'fatal' error
[16:45] <hatch> not sure if you have seen the same
[16:45] <rick_h__> hatch: otp, sec
[16:50] <Makyo> rick_h__, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6546619/ for later.
[16:51] <hazmat> why did branch commits make it over on the gh migration? as opposed to mainline..
[17:12] <rick_h__> hazmat: it's what bzr fastimport did. I didn't see a lot of material on exporting from bzr into git and getting to tweak it.
[17:12] <rick_h__> hazmat: there's a *~ in there already?
[17:12] <rick_h__> sorry, hatch ^
[17:13] <rick_h__> hatch: maybe that's throwing it off? I don't know tbh. I just moved the bzr one over and it 'worked' by trial so left it alone
[17:13] <rick_h__> Makyo: thanks for the paste.
[17:14] <hatch> rick_h__ yeah ok cool something to take a look at sometime
[17:14] <rick_h__> hatch: k, works here so have fun :)
[17:14] <rick_h__> hatch: why did you want to ignore *?
[17:14] <hatch> I want to add *
[17:15] <hatch> say I have 10 changed files
[17:15] <hatch> I want to add all of them to the commit
[17:15] <rick_h__> hatch: oic, git add -A :)
[17:15] <rick_h__> or --all
[17:15] <hatch> oh crap right
[17:16] <hatch> that was bzr that had `add *`
[17:20] <Makyo> hatch, https://twitter.com/horse_js/status/410094798062628864
[17:20] <hatch> HAHAHAHA
[17:20]  * hatch looks around
[17:20] <hatch> is the horse in here???
[17:21] <Makyo> Hah, well, it's not me!
[17:25] <hatch> wow I really forgot a lot of git stuff in the past year
[17:33] <hatch> jujugui could I get a really quick review of a doc update branch https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/8
[17:34] <bac> hatch: sure
[17:34] <hatch> thanks
[17:37] <bac> hatch: your branch, the words flow together and seem to form something akin to English. but for the life of me i'm not sure what i would do with them.  this coming from a total git-dummy.
[17:38] <bac> so that package, i download it and put it somewhere?
[17:38] <bac> and the aliases, they go somewhere too?
[17:38] <bac> i wonder where
[17:38] <hatch> bac lol, so you're saying you want documentation on how to add aliases? the Git Remote Branch has installation instructions on their repo
[17:39] <bac> oh, ok
[17:39] <hatch> sorry it's not really clear that the code is aliases
[17:39] <hatch> I can clean that up
[17:39] <bac> yeah, maybe just "stuff the following aliases in your ~/.git/aliases file"  (i made that up.  was i close?)
[17:40] <hatch> ~/.gitconfig
[17:40] <hatch> :)
[17:40] <hatch> close
[17:43] <bac> hatch: ok, so i added two comments in-line and wrote a top-level comment that said everything was good.  is that all we're doing for reviews in github?
[17:43] <rick_h__> bac: so once you've reviewed it and you're ok, add a LGTM comment
[17:44] <bac> ok
[17:44] <bac> oops, i guess closing it is bad
[17:44] <hatch> bac https://gist.github.com/hatched/7876600 here are the new changes.....look good?
[17:44] <rick_h__> bac: hah! close all hatch's pull requests
[17:45] <rick_h__> bac: yea, he can re-open it I think
[17:45] <bac> lovely
[17:45] <hatch> lol
[17:45] <bac> hatch: yes those changes are fine
[17:45] <hatch> we'll get this figured eventually :D
[17:46] <hatch> I for one think that this new process is pretty darn cool
[17:46] <hatch> just need to figure out all the proper commands :D
[17:48] <hatch> I'm going to need a shortcut for 'refresh folders' in sublime if I keep switching between branches heh
[17:48] <hatch> Makyo if you have any questions about my changes on my branch just lemme know
[17:48] <Makyo> hatch, will do; trying to find a better test for SSH keys now.
[17:48] <hatch> Dolla Dolla MERGE YO!
[17:49] <Makyo> jujugui researching, but in the meantime, if anyone has suggestions for checking for valid ssh keys that does not rely on a) find, or b) ssh-agent, I'd be interested to hear :)
[17:50] <hatch> rick_h__ If I click this HUGE green 'Merge pull request' button, does that bypass our CI?
[17:50] <Makyo> jujugui (or uses ssh-agent atomically)
[17:51]  * gary_poster does not; sorry
[17:52] <frankban> Makyo: what's wrong with just searching for an id_rsa.pub?
[17:52] <hatch> probably slow
[17:52] <hatch> TWAG though
[17:52] <bac> i wonder if landscape would accept our browser sniffer/intercept code?  they only support firefox but happily let you have a diminished experience if you don't know that.
[17:54] <Makyo> frankban, that leaves out id_dsa.pub and id_ecdsa.pub, and identity files can be specified in other locations using ssh config.  I'm fine with that as a last resort, but would like something that actually checks for ssh identity availability.
[17:55] <frankban> Makyo: ack
[17:56] <Makyo> frankban, want to just go with that for now and land this, then see if we need to investigate further?
[17:57] <Makyo> Up to you ¯＼(º_o)/¯
[17:57] <rick_h__> hatch: your branch failed to land. You have to delete the comment about it being 'merge request accepted' to get another run
[17:59] <hatch> rick_h__ hmm how did you know that it failed?
[18:00] <rick_h__> hatch: was looking
[18:00] <rick_h__> hatch: eventually it should add a new comment on failure, but it's not hooked up yet
[18:00] <frankban> Makyo: +1
[18:00] <Makyo> frankban, ack, on it.
[18:00] <frankban> Makyo: thanks
[18:10] <hatch> rick_h__ ohh ok so the issue here is that it commented after I typed $$merge$$ ?
[18:11] <rick_h__> hatch: right, the system adds a comment saying the merge request has been accepted, so that it won't run it more than 1 time in case it takes a while to get to your merge
[18:12] <rick_h__> hatch: say 3 branches all get the request to merge at once, the cron job runs every 2min, so it has to be able to know "these 3 are already queued, don't add them again"
[18:13] <rick_h__> hatch: so remove that comment and the system will re-queue on the next 2min cron run
[18:14] <hatch> ok so saying $$merge$$ again won't help?
[18:14] <Makyo> frankban, worth another quick look just for completeness' sake? https://codereview.appspot.com/36080044/diff/20001/quickstart/app.py
[18:15] <rick_h__> hatch: no
[18:15] <frankban> Makyo: on it
[18:15] <rick_h__> hatch: it's looping and looking for the command once.
[18:15] <hatch> ohh ok
[18:15] <rick_h__> the one cancels the other out
[18:20] <rick_h__> hatch: cool worked
[18:21] <hatch> yup - so that was just an unfortunate race condition there then?
[18:21] <frankban> Makyo: looks good, even if I hoped we were able to use python to check for ssh keys (e.g. os.walk, glob.glob etc) <shrug>. Perhaps you can follow up in another card?
[18:21] <rick_h__> hatch: right, and I'm proposing a branch right now to get around that. Will be looking for review shortly
[18:21] <hatch> cool - and about the butt
[18:21] <hatch> on
[18:21] <hatch> if I press the merge button will it bypass the CI?
[18:22] <rick_h__> hatch: yes, and I get angry with you
[18:22] <Makyo> frankban, understood; it just still seems fragile, as we're not checking on actual identities , just whether or not files following a certain name exist.  If someone snags a public key to add to authorized_keys and forgets to clean up after themselves, this will false-positive.
[18:23] <hatch> rick_h__ haha, can we disable that somehow?
[18:23] <rick_h__> hatch: not that I know of atm
[18:23] <Makyo> That's why  I went with ssh-add at first.
[18:23] <Makyo> I thought `ssh-agent ssh-add -l` might work, but that just always fails :P
[18:26] <frankban> Makyo: ok right, you intend this as a temporary solution. ok then, added a new LGTM. please create another card to investigate further
[18:26] <Makyo> frankban, Yep, thank you.
[18:30] <rick_h__> hatch: care to peek at https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/7 please?
[18:30] <hatch> sure
[18:32] <hatch> I love how github keeps the diffs up to date
[18:36] <hatch> rick_h__ lgtm'd with some notes
[18:37] <rick_h__> hatch: rgr, replied to one
[18:37] <rick_h__> hatch: well, replied to both in the end
[18:37] <hatch> cool - yeah I figured the caching would be a followup
[18:38] <rick_h__> well, post-ci stuff :)
[18:38] <hatch> right
[18:38] <hatch> yeah
[18:38] <hatch> so the 'failure' stuff is going to be done soonish?
[18:39] <hatch> the 'bug' which I ran into previously? Or do we need to keep our eye on the merges for now?
[18:39] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, I've got to find a post-build plugin and figure out how to wire it up. jenking-github-lander supports posting the failure notices already
[18:39] <rick_h__> hatch: keep an eye on merges for now
[18:39] <hatch> cool gotcha
[18:39] <hatch> oh cool github gives the option to delete merged branches
[18:40] <rick_h__> yea, button to help keep things clenaed
[18:41] <hatch> rick_h__ possible idea for disabling the 'merge' green button - allow only the jujugui user to merge stuff in then the button should be hidden?
[18:41] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, but we're all in the org
[18:41] <rick_h__> so it gets into tricky perms of "you can do stuff, but not this one thing" and haven't looked too closely at it
[18:41] <rick_h__> just trusting out devs
[18:41] <hatch> ahh ok
[18:42] <rick_h__> e.g. the idea to do a release is you checkout just the juju project, merge develop into master, push up the updated master as a release
[18:43] <rick_h__> so if you can't do the merge button, you can't do a release
[18:43] <hatch> ok wtf google, I said "about" into hangouts, and it typed "a boot" lol!!!!
[18:43] <hatch> damnit I'm not THAT Canadian
[18:43] <hatch> lol
[18:44] <bac> rick_h__: trusting devs may be dangerous at least until we're all up to speed
[18:44] <bac> big green buttons are so tempting
[18:45] <hatch> bac the good thing about git is you can always roll back from anyones repo
[18:45] <rick_h__> bac: understand. Like I said though, there's not a ton I can do about it for now
[18:45] <hatch> there is nothing 'special' about the github repo vs anyones local one
[18:45] <hatch> well that's a lie
[18:45] <hatch> but on face value :)
[18:45] <bac> i'm just apologizing in advance...  :)
[18:45] <hatch> haha
[18:45] <hatch> bac feel free to ask
[18:46] <rick_h__> bac: let me konw if you'd like a walk through or anything. I'm not aware of everyone's git levels so I left 'training' out to some notes/docs but happy to help walk anyone through things
[18:46] <hatch> just don't push upstream with -f :D
[18:46] <bac> rick_h__: did you write a getting started guide?  if so i missed it but would like to read if available
[18:47] <hatch> rick_h__ it might be best to also add `git remote add upstream ...` and `git fetch upstream` for updating the local fork
[18:47] <rick_h__> bac: in the email linked the repo with a README
[18:47] <rick_h__> hatch: it's in the notes
[18:47] <hatch> ohh ok
[18:47] <hatch> I mised that line I guess heh
[18:47] <rick_h__> hatch: the notes have you add a remote juju, and git pull juju origin when starting a new branch
[18:47] <rick_h__> bac: sec, will PM you think linke
[18:47] <rick_h__> link
[18:48] <hatch> ugh my email is a mess
[18:48] <hatch> I need to set up filters
[18:48] <hatch> I am the antitheses of inbox-0
[18:48] <hatch> haha
[18:52] <hatch> so for our christmas party do we just sit in-front of our computers in a hangout drinking rum and eggnog?
[18:52] <hatch> playing virtual beer pong
[18:52] <gary_poster> antithesis: inbox infinity?
[18:52] <Makyo> CO-Canonicalites have a party next Thursday, so there.
[18:52] <bac> hatch: i can see the bacardi distillery from my patio.  :)
[18:52] <hatch> gary_poster I'm working towards it...haha
[18:52] <Makyo> !
[18:53] <hatch> Makyo lol lucky
[18:53] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:53] <rick_h__> Makyo: MI-Canonicalites always party! right jcastro?
[18:53] <hatch> bac haha nice
[18:53] <Makyo> HP used to have their open source lab here, so there's a few of us (and a few RH folk, too)
[18:54] <hatch> do you shun them when you get together?
[18:54] <hatch> they need to execute a proper apt-get command to get in the door
[18:54] <hatch> lol
[18:54] <hatch> its the shibboleth
[18:54] <Makyo> Pff.
[18:54] <Makyo> We just don't invite them :)
[18:54] <hatch> hahaha
[18:54] <Makyo> It's a company holiday party, after all.
[18:55]  * bac recalls the one Canonical-NC party that was a huge success
[18:55] <hatch> I'm going to host the biggest Canonical-SK party EVER this year
[18:55] <bac> working remotely makes company parties actually fun.
[18:55] <bac> the brick-and-mortar company parties just seemed like a continuation of the work day
[18:56] <hatch> http://deadlygeek.myshopify.com/
[18:56] <hatch> bac - sounds like a lame party to me
[18:56] <Makyo> :/
[18:57] <bac> hatch: the existence of that belt buckle is why i am opposed to any gift giving.  :)
[18:57] <hatch> lol damnit I'm buying myself one!
[19:04] <hatch> rick_h__ do you have time for a discussion on removing fullscreen and followup direction?
[19:06] <rick_h__> hatch: yea, second
[19:07] <hatch> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpj8dfhvb68a9eaplojbk1bg?hl=en
[19:07] <hatch> crap it crashed
[19:08] <hatch> I'll try inviting you directly
[19:39] <jcastro> I can't find my own bundles in the store
[19:39] <jcastro> I am trying to find the cloudfoundry bundle
[19:41] <rick_h__> https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/?text=jorge don't see cloudfoundry atm though
[19:41] <rick_h__> jcastro: did you update it recently and maybe it failed proof?
[19:41] <jcastro> http://manage.jujucharms.com/bundle/~jorge/cloudfoundry/cloudfoundry
[19:42] <jcastro> it's just not in jujucharms.com the non-manage part afaict
[19:42] <rick_h__> looking
[19:45] <rick_h__> jcastro: hmm, it's showing on staging so something is up between staging/production http://staging.jujucharms.com/search?search_text=cloudfoundry&op=
[19:45] <rick_h__> jcastro: will have to look into it
[19:45] <jcastro> oh cool, so I found a real bug?
[19:45] <rick_h__> jcastro: or a mis-configure or something.
[19:55] <rick_h__> jcastro: updating my local env and doing a fresh pull of data. I'll have to chase it down, will get back to you tomorrow
[19:55] <jcastro> no worries
[19:55] <jcastro> I wonder how long it's been broken
[19:55] <jcastro> I don't suppose we can add a "bundles" category?
[19:55] <rick_h__> yea, not sure. I only seem to see it missing. Others look fine. So something is up with that one bundle
[19:56] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, there's a todo to figure out something, but not sure where it's at.
[20:28]  * bac -> vet
[20:44] <hatch> bug #1217383
[20:44] <_mup_> Bug #1217383: inspector should be the default <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1217383>
[20:44] <hatch> thanks mup
[20:45] <hatch> rick_h__ ""This is horrible and we know it"" lol
[20:47] <rick_h__> :)
[21:12] <hatch> Makyo hey, curious if you're making any headway on that d3 stuff?
[21:13]  * hatch is curious what the solution (if any) there is :)
[21:13] <Makyo> hatch, git problems, just getting started, have an idea.
[21:13] <hatch> ahh ok cool np
[21:13] <hatch> git is a problem until you understand how it works hah
[21:13]  * hatch does not understand it
[21:13] <hatch> :P
[21:18] <Makyo> I just had some weirdness left over from setting up 2fa.  Helped to switch to ssh urls.
[21:20] <hatch> jujugui looking for a smallish review/qa https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/9
[21:21] <hatch> I still can't decide what kind of laptop to get so my whole setup is a mess - I feel your pain haha
[21:21] <hatch> doh
[21:22] <hatch> jujugui remember to make lint && make test-debug before issuing a PR :)
[21:22] <Makyo> How about make check?
[21:22] <hatch> yeah that's fine too I SUPPOSE :P
[21:23] <Makyo> It's almost like it's there for a reason... :)
[21:23] <hatch> I know right?
[21:23] <hatch> crazyyyyy
[21:24] <hatch> woah, apple.com has a huge picture of Nelson Mandela
[21:27] <hatch> unfortunately the apple.ca financing deals aren't nearly as good as the US ones :(
[21:29] <hatch> US financing is always so much better than in Canada :(
[21:35] <gary_poster> hatch, you still want review?
[21:35] <hatch> yup I do
[21:35] <gary_poster> k on it
[21:35] <hatch> I'm trying to remove this in as many atomic pieces as possible
[21:35] <hatch> it's very.....connected heh
[21:36] <gary_poster> :-) I believe it
[21:37] <gary_poster> ok, this is really I time for me to set up a decent git qa pattern...
[21:37] <hatch> gary_poster I created a new clone of the repo then run the two aliases that I added to the HACKING docs
[21:37] <hatch> the aliases were thanks to rick_h__
[21:37] <gary_poster> yeah was just stealing those myself :-)
[21:39] <hatch> man I REALLY want to buy a MBP with 18mo 0% interest financing
[21:40] <hatch> anyone want to buy it for me and trust that I'll pay you back? ;)
[21:43] <gary_poster> ai-yai-yai, I need a cheat sheet
[21:43] <hatch> haha yeah
[22:02] <huwshimi> Morning
[22:06] <gary_poster> hey huwshimi
[22:07] <huwshimi> gary_poster: Hey
[22:11] <hatch> hey huwshimi
[22:11]  * Makyo dogwalks before it gets too cold.
[22:17] <hatch> huwshimi if you need some help moving forward with your sticky branch lemme know
[22:17] <huwshimi> hatch: heh, yeah, I'm not quite sure what to do with that branch
[22:17] <hatch> you just want it to die don't you?
[22:18] <gary_poster> hatch, LGTM etc
[22:18] <hatch> thanks
[22:18] <huwshimi> hatch: Yes, please
[22:19] <hatch> lol
[22:19] <huwshimi> hatch: it or me
[22:19] <huwshimi> either would be acceptable at this point
[22:19] <hatch> hey at least we are using your code haha
[22:19] <gary_poster> huwshimi, :-) and :-P
[22:20] <huwshimi> hatch: And your browser test is not so promising either
[22:20] <gary_poster> hatch, huwshimi is it worth strategizing together about next steps?
[22:20] <gary_poster> huwshimi, I mean, deep unhappiness is always valuable, but...
[22:20] <hatch> lol!
[22:20] <huwshimi> haha
[22:21] <hatch> I'm sure any of us JS peeps could take over to resolve the issues
[22:21] <hatch> I'm a little deep in fullscreen removal land right now however
[22:21] <huwshimi> gary_poster: We can, I'm in a land of uncertainty right now so it might be good to figure out what to do with it
[22:21] <huwshimi> hatch: Ooh, nice!
[22:22] <gary_poster> ok.  hatch, you available for a hangout as well?
[22:22] <hatch> sure lemme turn on my anti-bark machine
[22:23] <gary_poster> huwshimi, hatch https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpi8bsiur2s17hpkf800rcfg?hl=en
[22:34] <rick_h__> gary_poster: let me konw if there's any specific set of cribs for workflows you'd like written up
[22:35] <rick_h__> hatch: woot for landing on first try
[22:35] <gary_poster> thanks rick_h__ .  want more of proposed process from https://gist.github.com/mitechie/c0183e567d81aa92b5e3in hacking doc.  we have some of that
[22:35] <gary_poster> but not all
[22:35] <gary_poster> and I want all :-P
[22:36] <rick_h__> gary_poster: want more as in more types of that? Or more details written in to flesh that out?
[22:36] <gary_poster> rick_h__, I want all of that in hacking doc
[22:37] <gary_poster> I don't want to have to keep link to gist :-)
[22:37] <gary_poster> and then maybe could elaborate on it
[22:37] <gary_poster> but even as is would make me happy
[22:37] <rick_h__> gary_poster: ah, gotcha. Ok yea I figured it would pollute the hacking doc a bit, but happy to move it over
[22:37] <gary_poster> +1
[22:37] <rick_h__> gary_poster: ok cool, works for me
[22:37] <gary_poster> rick_h__, or process
[22:37] <gary_poster> divided up by tasks
[22:38] <gary_poster> as you think
[22:38] <rick_h__> gary_poster: yea, as hatch hit the qa stuff today I was thinking of adding a qa process
[22:38] <gary_poster> +1
[22:38] <rick_h__> but beyond qa and submitting a branch wasn't sure what other processes to make sure to cover
[22:38] <rick_h__> release, but that's in the works and in the process doc
[22:43] <huwshimi> gary_poster, hatch: Thanks!
[22:43] <gary_poster> thank you huwshimi !  will be great to have
[22:44] <hatch> huwshimi http://www.git-tower.com/blog/git-cheat-sheet/ :)
[22:46] <hatch> rick_h__ yup the process worked well
[22:48] <hatch> it's darn fast too
[22:48] <hatch> the QA must not be running any python tests :P
[22:57] <hatch> WOAH
[22:57] <hatch> new MDN
[23:01] <rick_h__> not yet, the hope is that we'll get that in soon from benji's branch/work
[23:02] <hatch> and then sauce labs
[23:02] <hatch> and there goes our fast CI
[23:02] <hatch> lol
[23:12] <rick_h__> yea, it's doomed to go, but at least we could bring it up on a faster machine if that helps :)
[23:17] <hatch> haha truth
[23:17] <hatch> it would be nice if we could spin up multiple sauce labs instances and run them in parallel