[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <owl> hi
[08:52] <owl> how to solve, package-contains-info-dir-file usr/share/info/dir.gz
[08:52] <owl> lintian
[21:13] <josePHPagoda> hello everyone!
[21:13] <josePHPagoda> I'm wondering how I would go about proposing a package?
[21:15] <tumbleweed> josePHPagoda: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html#submitting-for-inclusion
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> isn't it always suggested to go the Debian route first so it gets synced into Ubuntu?
[21:15] <josePHPagoda> this isn't really new software though, more an update for a currently broken package included in 13.10
[21:15] <TheLordOfTime> (assuming a new package)
[21:15] <josePHPagoda> (also broken in 13.04)
[21:16] <josePHPagoda> even though upstream has been fixed for over a year
[21:16] <josePHPagoda> but I'd rather not compile from scratch
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> mind if i ask what package?
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> (curious)
[21:17] <josePHPagoda> it's the wacom drivers package
[21:17] <josePHPagoda> they work with the stylus, but are broken when trying to use the wacom mouse (no clicking registers)
[21:19] <josePHPagoda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2139480
[21:19] <josePHPagoda> describes the issue
[21:20] <josePHPagoda> the solution proposed is to compile from scratch, which isn't great for this sort of thing
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> um...
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not certain you *can* submit a replacement package for 13.04 and 13.19
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> 13.10*
[21:20]  * TheLordOfTime isn't a MOTU, but i think there's regulations around how things're updated for 13.04 and 13.10
[21:20] <Noskcaj10> josePHPagoda, Is this just an update or a complete new package?
[21:20] <TheLordOfTime> i know that if Trusty is sane, they've got the latest thing from Debian
[21:21] <josePHPagoda> it's an update
[21:21] <Noskcaj10> If it's minor we could SRU it, but either way it needs to be working in trusty first
[21:21] <josePHPagoda> there was a PPA, but it looks like 13.10 doesn't see any benefit
[21:21] <Noskcaj10> what's the package name?
[21:21] <TheLordOfTime> josePHPagoda, what's the actual package name(s), and have you tested Trusty to see if it works?
[21:21] <TheLordOfTime> whoopsies, Noskcaj10 said that xD
[21:21]  * TheLordOfTime slaps self
[21:21] <josePHPagoda> I haven't tested in trusty
[21:21] <josePHPagoda> i only have a single production machine
[21:21] <josePHPagoda> can't sacrifice the other
[21:22] <josePHPagoda> err
[21:22] <josePHPagoda> can't sacrifice it to run the other version of Ubuntu
[21:22] <josePHPagoda> let me see if I can find the package name
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> Noskcaj, couldn't he in theory test from the live environment to see if it works?
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> (for trusty)
[21:22] <Noskcaj> TheLordOfTime, I assume so
[21:22] <TheLordOfTime> ... oh that reminds me I'm missing a Trusty environment to test.
[21:23]  * TheLordOfTime grabs a copy of latest
[21:23] <josePHPagoda> xf86-input-wacom
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> josePHPagoda, you could in theory boot to a LiveUSB or LiveCD and see if it works.
[21:23] <josePHPagoda> I _think_
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> X.Org X Server -- Wacom Input Driver
[21:23] <TheLordOfTime> (from Debian packages.qa - http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xf86-input-wacom.html)
[21:23] <josePHPagoda> TheLordOfTime: yeah
[21:23] <josePHPagoda> would that help at all if I did that?
[21:24] <TheLordOfTime> looks like there were updates in the past couple months in Debian
[21:24] <josePHPagoda> so this could be a case of debian just being a little slow to pull from upstream?
[21:24] <TheLordOfTime> trusty looks like it has that
[21:24] <TheLordOfTime> josePHPagoda, or, a case of Debian being slow, but yes, it looks to be in Trusty
[21:25] <josePHPagoda> i hope it's fixed
[21:25] <josePHPagoda> i haven't been able to use the mouse on my tablet for over a year :(
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> josePHPagoda, as i said, test Trusty, boot to a LiveUSB/LiveCD and test it
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> that *may* be able ot be used for testing purposes
[21:26] <josePHPagoda> it'd be suitable for limited testing
[21:26] <Noskcaj> Does http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721916 or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675802 sound like your issue?
[21:26] <josePHPagoda> i coul dsee if the total breakage is usable
[21:26] <josePHPagoda> Noskcaj: no
[21:26] <josePHPagoda> it's a diff issue
[21:26] <josePHPagoda> similar, but diff
[21:27] <josePHPagoda> anyways, it looks like trusty will have the fix
[21:27] <josePHPagoda> i'll fetch and burn a livecd and test it out when I get a chance
[21:27] <josePHPagoda> :)
[21:27] <TheLordOfTime> s/will/might/
[21:28] <josePHPagoda> TheLordOfTime: doesn't ubuntu source off of debian testing?
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> there's no guarantee there's a fix in Trusty or Debian
[21:28] <Noskcaj> For this particular package, we don't
[21:28] <josePHPagoda> oh?
[21:28] <josePHPagoda> is there any particular reason why?
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> indeed, just saw that myself
[21:28] <Noskcaj> if the issue is fixed in the list at bug 1235615 , we fixed this in trusty
[21:29] <Noskcaj> And someone one #ubuntu-x will know
[21:29] <Noskcaj> *on
[21:31] <josePHPagoda> 7a1aadb24b65738 Resume button events for pucks
[21:31] <josePHPagoda> that looks like the issue I was having
[21:32] <josePHPagoda> but I'm not 100% sure
[21:32] <josePHPagoda> how can i get the link for the original bug report?
[21:32] <Noskcaj> The install the relevant .deb  from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/xserver-xorg-input-wacom and see if it works
[21:33] <josePHPagoda> can I just install that in 13.10?
[21:33] <TheLordOfTime> you could do that, too... maybe if you install by hand, unless it has a specific kernel requirement
[21:34] <josePHPagoda> i just don't want to bork my current environment
[21:34] <josePHPagoda> kind of important for work :)
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> you're kinda limited on your testing options then
[21:34] <TheLordOfTime> limited testing perhaps in a Live environment, but without a trusty environment to fully test in...
[21:35] <josePHPagoda> yeah
[21:36] <Noskcaj> There's very little that can go wrong just by installing that .deb. No new dependencies were added
[21:36] <josePHPagoda> ok
[21:36] <josePHPagoda> i'll try it, and if it doesn't work, how's the best way to roll back to the current version?
[21:37] <Noskcaj> Just uninstall it, then install from the software center
[21:37] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-wacom=1:0.20.0-0ubuntu1
[21:38] <josePHPagoda> brb
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> or Unit193's statement :)
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> that works too
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> bleh, speaking of production environments, SSL died on my server >.<  (gotta fix it... back in a bit)
[21:50] <Logan_> Holy transition. http://cl.ly/image/0C3u0c2Z2y0R
[21:52] <TheLordOfTime> o.O
[22:35] <josePHPagoda> yay! so now the tablet seems to be working perfectly
[22:35] <josePHPagoda> so that's excellent
[22:35] <josePHPagoda> thanks for your help everyone


[17:06] <AlanBell> so, meetingology and topic changes and such
[17:07] <AlanBell> I am interested in feedback on the talkativeness of the bot
[17:08] <AlanBell> in general I think it should not talk in channel unless it has something useful to say, such as the outcome of a vote
[17:08] <AlanBell> it should acknowledge commands with private messages, and change topic with /topic if it can
[17:09] <AlanBell> one thing I will do is "#startmeeting force"
[17:09] <AlanBell> which will end a running meeting if someone forgot to end it
[17:10] <Pici> Good idea.
[17:11] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:11] <ubot4> Factoid '1' not found
[17:12] <charlie-tca> huh?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> plus is a factoid now?
[17:12] <AlanBell> +ping
[17:12] <ubot4> another contentless ping... sigh...
[17:12] <Pici> heh
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I didn't mean to do that, really :)
[17:14] <charlie-tca> I think having the bot respond to commands in a private message would be a good way to handle things.
[17:16] <AlanBell> so /msg charlie-tca I got your link to http://foo.com
[17:16] <charlie-tca> oh, and meetingbot does not cause a topic change to be visible. The only visible change is the bot response that it changed the topic. It is not really changing the channel topic.
[17:16] <charlie-tca> yes, AlanBell
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I think that would be good
[17:17] <AlanBell> what I wanted to do with the topic was attempt to change /topic and only if that failed (not enough rights) to announce in channel
[17:18] <AlanBell> the chair has just said #topic bar in channel, no need to repeat it
[17:18] <AlanBell> but setting the /topic means it is there for people joining halfway through the meeting
[17:19] <charlie-tca> so, maybe it is changing it but not echoing the entire topic change?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I am using weechat, and every time a topic changes, I get both old topic and new topic, but not when the meeting bot does it
[17:21] <m4v> charlie-tca: that's a weechat's setting afaik, I turned it off myself
[17:22] <charlie-tca> right, but you don't get that old topic/new topic when meetingology changes the topics
[17:23] <m4v> that's odd I don't think the bot changes topic in a different way that we do
[17:24] <charlie-tca> so, the the topic in -meeting really becomes whatever the current agenda topic is named as?
[17:24] <Pici> Yes.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> and someone joining a meeting might see TOPIC:  odds and ends
[17:25] <charlie-tca> and that is all they get at that time
[17:25] <AlanBell> that is the idea, yes
[17:25] <Pici> If thats how their client displays it to them.
[17:25] <AlanBell> I was going to add a meeting title command
[17:26] <AlanBell> so it would say "QA Meeting: odds and ends"
[17:27] <charlie-tca> That would probably be better. Joining a channel whose sole topic is "Odds & Ends" doesn't say much about it
[17:28] <charlie-tca> That doesn't even say there is a meeting in progress


[00:10] <paraxial> I want to check if is damaged // @ darkmeson will test this. thank you !
[00:10] <paraxial> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b1e32859/
[00:10] <paraxial> maim
[00:10] <paraxial> fullstack, where did you download it?
[00:10] <paraxial> othias: i imagine then i could a) return a struct (no idea how to signal error then, without using nasty globals)? b) take a pointer to struct and make the function return some error code
[00:39] <Kongaloosh26> \x: 2018-09-04 - 00:24:39 <Highdude> tell \x https://i.imgur.com/Gh1oGL4.jpg
[00:40] <Kongaloosh26> and it'd be cool to be able to have the ability to gift plexpass to another user for life or buy an app for another user as a gift
[00:40] <Kongaloosh26> about 30 usd for 3 fans + a controller
[00:45] <nmm5> Hello
[01:32] <loganlee> that's a bitmap
[01:32] <loganlee> if even 80% is well-informed, the 20% that aren't create more than large enough of a market for specific companies to carve a niche in marketing only to them
[01:54] <drewery29> what tool are you using to test with SNI? alanhuang
[01:54] <drewery29> de que hablan
[01:55] <asyd14> 1000w
[01:55] <asyd14> i'm not discouraging you from optimising parsec, quite the opposite
[01:59] <doppo7> are read-only mirrors of the branches in another repository.  //it is read/write
[01:59] <doppo7> there's no current rating on them :(
[01:59] <doppo7> shouldnt any windows irc client be able to connect to a weechat relay when the protocol is set to IRC?
[02:08] <theborger2> Let the terminal handle that
[02:08] <theborger2> triceratux: who's the sjw ?
[02:08] <theborger2> Why only ancient Greece?
[02:25] <Knunez5> Apachez:  pppingme: ssh -D 1234 server: on ssh client side, listen on *local* port 1234 and *forward* everything to a *remote* port on the ssh server side, which again *forwards* it post routing. Correct?
[02:25] <Knunez5> just ask questions, don't wait for particular people :)
[02:25] <Knunez5> so a fork is just a clone of a repo that you push onto a place you have write access to
[02:26] <muteki27> and it turned out to be a good book as well
[02:26] <muteki27> and thank you to you too romainl
[03:07] <rm_work25> Wha..?
[03:07] <rm_work25> looks like the link went down and up
[06:24] <sze3> |            /':./':.  (o)  /__) _)  )
[06:24] <sze3> installed muh bulbs
[06:24] <sze3> Tin_man: BTW it's a built in webcam
[06:24] <sze3>  /etc/cups/cupsd.conf  this file is missing as you can see ,
[06:24] <sze3> javi404: probably 14.10
[06:25] <sze3> j3kyl_: if you want a wireless chip with free firmware you can't use intel.
[06:48] <Guest90973> just about anything
[06:48] <Guest90973> sara2010: I think so ...
[07:15] <trench24> from the parameterization of a torus as (cos s (a+b cos t), sin s (a+b cos t),. b sin t)
[07:15] <trench24> confirmed.  i have not seen.
[07:15] <trench24> сuѕtomers are not ԁoіᥒg Аlⅼɑh іs doіng
[07:19] <Jarnomus> or some gapps shir
[07:19] <Jarnomus> ayjay_t: To do what?
[07:32] <crayfishx9> Not here its not.
[07:32] <crayfishx9> Was that it? I'm just trying with  `vim -Nu NONE -O b1 b2`  and it still works for me, even though nohidden is still set
[08:09] <omahn1> suvdev: all that does afaik is set http_proxy and https_proxy in the environment. Applications are free to ignore those.
[08:09] <omahn1> Tentacles: you're welcome
[09:04] <computertechieOw> that it was an accident? yeah
[09:04] <computertechieOw> ayecee: yeah. I have been trying to dockerize something and it has been painful. definitely something a very skilled sysadmin would be good at
[09:04] <computertechieOw> autopsy: let's just say that grub is bigger than the entire chroot
[09:04] <computertechieOw> what sort of clamps
[09:04] <computertechieOw> today is not a good day
[09:12] <lifwl> RhodiumToad: http://dpaste.com/1VJD3TK is the plan for the correct remote SQL
[09:12] <lifwl> AAA after your comment UUID is starting to make more sense to me
[09:53] <avocadoIu> iCookie why u make lol bitch ?:/
[09:53] <avocadoIu> repost: Anyone have opinion best way to install Steam, repo or snap?
[09:53] <avocadoIu> Simounet: Next, you need to make some changes to your installation so it has the right bootloader.
[09:53] <avocadoIu> darkmeson: let me find the link!
[11:49] <aakvikdk> no, in a .h
[11:49] <aakvikdk> but not all of them
[11:49] <aakvikdk> it's stuck in a desktop in the back with all the cables and under a desk?
[11:50] <TheAssassinQG> Padawan-,  i'm suspecting he was a "handy" ready to use function rather than a modelled/constructed one
[11:50] <TheAssassinQG> mark721: my bad:    for i in dev proc sys ; do sudo mount -o bind /$i /mnt/$i ; done
[11:50] <TheAssassinQG> Totally_David: rest assured that nothing is better for servers than linux
[11:50] <TheAssassinQG> all good brushes are stainless steel they last lionger and clean better
[12:27] <Guest30163> driver in use >> lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[12:27] <Guest30163> Forget that, I just have a single virtual function defined in extendedArrayList. Otherwise it just provides a pointer to arrayList
[12:27] <Guest30163> but the other build has status=failed (?)
[12:27] <Guest30163> chisight: not recognition, but text to speech
[12:41] <stgraberKU> sort of like a table
[12:41] <stgraberKU> katamo: i already did
[13:00] <t0x0shFu> is a function with two points at the same x,y coordinate still be continuous?
[13:00] <t0x0shFu> That's the thing with app dependancy. Once the app exists on Linux, people finally start to make a decision based on the merits of the OS, not the apps they're stuck with using.
[13:41] <Dad`is> Yeah, it varies across kernel versions and hardware, apparently.
[13:41] <Dad`is> ok, that is what I expected.
[13:41] <Dad`is> what is this mean?
[13:42] <Dad`is> AeternusIgnis: try to exaplin your problem please.
[13:42] <Dad`is> ozzzy_: Getting something really-really sharp is not easy.
[13:42] <Dad`is> british: we don't need to be racist.  Ah great! I've often wondered what 'pushing a finite number of symbols' actually means too!
[14:28] <Guest15964> Ah, indeed.
[14:29] <Guest15964> oh like caviar gold kind of joint?
[14:29] <Guest15964> AstralStorm_: https://wandbox.org/permlink/ra96nJFmxbM9H09z
[14:29] <Guest15964> ghc so helpful
[15:38] <Humtek_> they confused P(B) with P(B|A)
[15:38] <Humtek_> << array<char, 4>().size()
[17:21] <mateuszcn> it's called disklabel
[17:21] <mateuszcn> I have never used foldl in a productive way.
[17:50] <Victor-1EB> dbus is revolutionary
[17:50] <Victor-1EB> You probably can view it that way, but I just meant in the usual analysis sense of "for any polynomials p of given degree n, there exists delta such that ..."
[17:51] <Victor-1EB> but it says they are not spamming us
[17:51] <Victor-1EB> i meant it as in avoiding to print anything
[17:51] <Victor-1EB> madnight, problem is, haskell98 is fairly easy to implement (under a few thousand work hours)
[17:55] <bazzuo> backnforth: you can read the code...
[17:56] <bazzuo> nothing, i'm just waiting for an opportunity to afc and look at the docs ;)
[17:56] <bazzuo> davor, so...
[17:56] <bazzuo> I think that should work
[18:01] <lukexjFI> thats how i printed the tricorder case
[18:01] <lukexjFI> Murii, Windows XP
[18:10] <neoticnS> and runs these as commands at appropriate lines
[18:10] <neoticnS> they are software programs
[18:41] <devxiT> Boot0014* ubuntu	HD(1,GPT,<UUID>
[18:41] <devxiT> it says so
[18:42] <devxiT> i think i meant more "*WHICH_cast<Phantom<U>*>(this)"
[18:42] <devxiT> ovulating?
[18:42] <devxiT> Well, not invoke, but 'write', I guess.
[18:42] <devxiT> nai: Third one?
[18:53] <orev> Is there anything wrong with result[0] = '\0'?
 does for me, yes
[18:53] <orev> well. thanks for the input and enjoy your workday.
[18:53] <orev> (But yes, I too prefer TypeApplications to Proxy.)
[19:17] <Guest23669> username234:^
[19:17] <Guest23669> sc_: damn, thought I'd disabled that on this box
[19:17] <Guest23669> kludge and i don't want an old car.. i want my sattelite radio and android auto and big infortainment system
[19:24] <hexoroidYn> skhan23,  also integrating might not work at all (in term of finding an elementary formula)
[19:25] <hexoroidYn> greycat: what part of that document shows how to preserve \ escapes within a var that youre expanding? i cant find it
[19:25] <hexoroidYn> Also tried several versions of ubuntu server (16.04.1 16.04.5 18.04.1(
[19:25] <hexoroidYn> that's him thanks very much Vigdis
[19:32] <jamesbvaughan> why on earth are you using round()
[19:32] <jamesbvaughan> you cɑn not get marrieԁ ᴡіtho∪t tһᥱ pеrmⅰsѕⅰοn of ɑllaһ
[19:41] <distantoriginrc> extension ?
[19:41] <distantoriginrc> it is just another name
[20:16] <fringe> hey baby are you http, because ://
[20:17] <fringe> RaphGro: mhlavink was last seen in #fedora-devel 2 days, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: *** mhlavink <mhlavink!quassel@nat/redhat/x-ekordawbidsxsymt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[20:17] <fringe> is the quickest way to just get some lines of text into a text file from bash to do something like `cat >myfile.txt` and then just type and hit <CTRL+D>? or is there a better way?
[20:17] <fringe> b1 is a local branch, and b2 is a branch at some remote:    "remote/b2"
[20:40] <jw358li> default with gentoo
[20:40] <jw358li> irrenhaus3: that's what happens when you go all C-mode and declare your variables at the top of the function :(
[20:40] <jw358li> so, i wonder if it was missing too
[20:40] <jw358li> Pentode:  this is:   VERSION="18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[21:00] <XXCoderFh> But I want something that works even when the field is not algebraically closed.
[21:00] <XXCoderFh> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__48P1Fbjm8
[21:00] <XXCoderFh> don't see anything about safe mode there
[21:00] <XXCoderFh> BootScout: that looks about right, mine is -rwxrwxrwx 2 root root 1208184 Apr  3 06:22 /mnt/Windows/System32/winload.exe
[21:14] <AexodenPZ> i smell something new brewing ^^^
[21:14] <AexodenPZ> and how older predatory practices aren't working anymore
[21:14] <AexodenPZ> The name has to be transmitted before the cert is sent, so it's in the clear
[21:14] <AexodenPZ> tpa, sort of
[21:14] <AexodenPZ> 84c lol
[22:36] <yashsrivyC> wow, ocd and obnoxious. good combo, sport.
[22:37] <wingrime2> John9_ smart would be not to start with 'guys'
[22:37] <wingrime2> shit I questioned everything
[22:49] <blobvB> effortDee, ?
[22:49] <blobvB> svuorela: i don't see the validity in your statement.
[22:49] <unixdudeZc> horribleProgram: Because most people naturally "don't care", until that day they "do care".  It can take time to see the reason to care.
[23:10] <mianosmnp> otherwise these might be getting a bit k-lined
[23:10] <mianosmnp> Ah, that was it! Thanks.
[23:10] <mianosmnp> I feel so much more ready gloved and goggled
[23:10] <mianosmnp> tomreyn:  if I kill the install (after it hangs) the machine will boot to a grub> prompt
[23:10] <mianosmnp> davor, 3062 right now.  dropping as a fix optimization problems introduced.  i have no way to test this, so it's anyone's guess whether or not it'll "just work".  i'm sure there's something i screwed up.
[23:10] <mianosmnp> because you're just going to say?


[10:11] <VincentInPC> Hello
[10:13] <czajkowski> ello
[10:15] <VincentInPC> I contribute to a french project that aims to create a decentralized/distributed social network over the XMPP protocol
[10:16] <VincentInPC> I've posted a message on the forum, but someone invited me on IRC, saying that the community could me more reactive
[10:16] <czajkowski> can depend really
[10:16] <VincentInPC> Here is the description of our project http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1817270&p=12672891#post12672891
[10:16] <czajkowski> VincentInPC: are you based in ireland or france?
[10:17] <VincentInPC> I am in France
[10:18] <VincentInPC> Our project wish to be translated in some languages, and we thought that it could be important to do this in Irish (is it the good word ?)
[10:18] <czajkowski> VincentInPC: interesting
[10:18] <czajkowski> VincentInPC: perhaps just posting it to the ubuntu loco contacts list would be easier than joining each irc channel :)
[10:19] <VincentInPC> loco ?
[10:19] <VincentInPC> is it a mailing-list ?
[10:20] <czajkowski> VincentInPC: well you've joined the Ububntu ireland loco channel
[10:20] <czajkowski> so I wondered were you targeting ubuntu communities
[10:22] <VincentInPC> ah, yes, but it's not because Ubuntu communities are the most appropriated, it's just because there is lot of people
[10:23] <VincentInPC> I don't know where I should ask this
[10:25] <czajkowski> VincentInPC: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts  might be of some help to you
[10:45] <VincentInPC> thank you czajkowski :)
[20:27] <AndrewMcC> ls -a


[07:19] <ara> good morning!
[07:21] <KE1HA> GM :-)
[10:56] <davmor2> ara: when's the next set of iso's
[11:01] <ara> davmor2, next week, for Beta
[11:02] <davmor2> ara: you might need to start picking on Jono to test wubi then I'm on holiday next week
[11:10] <ara> davmor2, OK, I will, thanks for the heads up
[11:11] <ara> davmor2, nevertheless, bladern now has a laptop with windows to test
[11:12] <davmor2> ara: Yeah but get jono involved anyway tell him it recompense for thanking MS ;)  I'll try and test it towards the end of the week and see if it actually works at all.
[11:14] <ara> davmor2, thanks!
[13:18]  * ara -> lunch
[17:26] <njin> hello guys, are you experiencing strange issue using testdrive and qemu-kvm ?
[17:41] <njin> pedro_: around ?
[17:55] <davmor2> njin: try tracking down kirkland he is possibly the most knowledgeable when it comes to both testdrive and kvm/qemu
[17:56] <njin> davmor2: ok thanks
[18:41] <moustafa> cr3, fader, davmor2, good afternoon :)
[18:41] <fader> moustafa: Hey hey
[18:42] <moustafa> fader: Ho ho!
[18:42] <moustafa> fader: I noticed you lost the underscore.  Are you working out?
[18:43] <fader> It's a secret ;)
[18:43] <davmor2> moustafa: bonjour hohehon
[18:47] <moustafa> davmor2: I just went through the entire post-2005 Dr Who run in a few weeks, I do believe I made my mind blow up
[18:48] <davmor2> muhahahahahaha!
[18:52] <moustafa> davmor2: I also came to the realisation that I see TV series in the wrong order, which probably means I have a bit of TimeLord in me :p
[18:54] <davmor2> moustafa: No you just don't live in England so we send them to you in the wrong order to play with your head ;)  Seems to be working :D
[18:56] <fader> moustafa: No spoilers -- I have about 3 seasons of that queued up to watch this winter :)
[18:59] <davmor2> fader: the doctor turn into the invisibleman about half way through season 2
[19:01] <davmor2> moustafa: have you guys got to the new new doctor yet or ar eyou still on tenant?
[19:02] <moustafa> We finished the season with the new Doctor a month ago or so
[19:03] <moustafa> davmor2: Ended up liking him.  I'm not sure if I liked him better than Tennant, but I very much liked him
[19:05] <davmor2> moustafa: He's alright but I still preferred the Tennant Piper partnership the best
[19:07] <moustafa> davmor2: It was a good parnership, but that's because they were writing the Doctor as in love with Rose (and vice versa) whereas this Doctor isn't looking for the same type of commitment from his companion
[19:08] <moustafa> davmor2: What I did love most though was how old he'd sometimes appear to be.  You could almost feel the 900+ years weighing on him
[19:09] <davmor2> haha


[02:33] <henrique> hi
[02:34] <Noskcaj> hello henrique
[02:36] <henrique> hello! i am new here, just learning what to do  to develop
[02:37] <smartboyhw> henrique, read http://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/developers/
[02:37] <Noskcaj> henrique, Do you know any programming languages?
[02:39] <henrique> i learned a little bit of c++
[02:39] <henrique> on college
[02:39] <henrique> and C
[02:40] <henrique> but i dont have pratice
[02:40] <henrique> so...  i am trying to find a place to train..
[02:40]  * smartboyhw would have recommended Mir, but that is no good for training beginner C++...
[02:41] <henrique> Mir?
[02:42] <Noskcaj> henrique, fixing bugs would probably be the best thing. Or try and learn to package.
[02:42] <Noskcaj> Plus you've got QML stuff at developer.ubuntu.com
[02:42] <henrique> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[02:43] <henrique> i am here right now.. haha
[02:43] <Noskcaj> mir is very complex, probably something you should ignore
[02:43] <Noskcaj> :)
[02:44] <henrique> where do i see what need to be fixed?
[02:44] <Noskcaj> henrique, Depending on the UI you want to look at harvest.ubuntu.com or bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:50] <henrique> on launchpad i cand find only the bugs related to me?
[02:52] <Noskcaj> henrique, What packages in particular would you like to help with?
[02:54] <henrique> dont know yet..   something  to recommend?
[02:56] <Noskcaj> henrique, Whatever packages you use regularly or for something easier, click the tag "bitesize"
[03:17] <henrique> tks for the Help @Noskcaj see ya
[07:12] <Noskcaj> cjwatson, Is there any chance you could sync felix-latin since all the new release does is fix the ubuntu delta?
[22:08] <xnox> Noskcaj: does it build now?
[22:08]  * xnox thinks it depends on the new libav.
[22:09] <Noskcaj> xnox, what builds?
[22:09] <xnox> Noskcaj: re: blender sync from 04:32, no idea which day.
[22:09] <xnox> and/or your vs mine timezone (UTC+1 here)
[22:10] <Noskcaj> oh. My pc and internet are actually too slow to test that
[22:10] <xnox> Noskcaj: right, well it still FTBFS, I think it wants the new libav, which we didn't take for saucy.
[22:11] <Noskcaj> ok. I'll Have a look in the changelog to see what's the  highst we can go without libav9
[22:11] <xnox> Noskcaj: why?!
[22:12] <xnox> Noskcaj: just leave it as it is.
[22:12] <Noskcaj> ok
[22:15] <ESphynx> xnox: there you are =)


[07:45] <therealmarv> Hi, my charm is on revision 4 here (search for the realmarv) https://code.launchpad.net/charms and here https://code.launchpad.net/~therealmarv/charms/trusty/pybossa/trunk but not on https://jujucharms.com/u/therealmarv/pybossa/trusty/1 I’m doing a major update before pushing it again to the review queue. Can someone explain me why the revision number does not update on jujucharms.com (it is still on 2) ?
[08:43] <therealmarv> Is there a problem with ingestion ?
[12:44]  * Mmike grabs food
[14:08] <redelmann> hi, is anyone having troubles with local deploy (KVM/LXC) and dhcp changes for using some machine in differents dhcp server? (home/work)
[14:09] <redelmann> juju set apiaddresses on all agents to wlan ip
[14:19] <lazyPower> redelmann|afk: i'm not sure what you're asking - whats happening?
[14:24] <redelmann> lazyPower, after add a machine "juju add-machine"
[14:25] <redelmann> lazyPower, for some reason inside added machine
[14:26] <redelmann> lazyPower, in "/var/lib/agents/machine-n/agent.conf"
[14:27] <redelmann> lazyPower, apiaddresses: - my.wlan.ip:17070
[14:27] <redelmann> lazyPower, so agents are using my wlan0 ip that always changes if i connect to another network
[14:28] <redelmann> lazyPower, after a reboot, if wlan0 ip changes all agents stop working.
[14:33] <lazyPower> redelmann: did you alter the default lxc networking config?
[14:34] <redelmann> redelmann, no, everything is in default. fresh installation
[14:34] <lazyPower> which version of Juju?
[14:35] <redelmann> lazyPower, i'm using container: kvm in environment.yaml
[14:35] <redelmann> 1.23
[14:35] <lazyPower> dimitern: ping ^
[14:36] <redelmann> lazyPower, i could see   STORAGE_ADDR: <IP_ADDRESS>:8040, which is my virbr0 ip
[14:36] <lazyPower> redelmann: i'm not sure why thats happening, but i've pinged a dev thats been working on networking support in juju, which may or may not be related
[14:37] <lazyPower> and he might be able to help square you away. What I suggest is to file a bug w/ this behavior, and ping the list with it to get some eyes on it
[14:37] <redelmann> ack
[14:38] <dimitern> lazyPower, pong
[14:41] <dimitern> redelmann, lazyPower, ack, will look a bit later
[14:43] <lazyPower> thanks dimitern
[17:45] <pmatulis> in the about-juju docs [1], what is meant by "reuse whatever they want from other teams"
[17:45] <pmatulis> [1]: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/about-juju
[17:50] <rick_h_> pmatulis: so let's say you're part of two teams and the application stack is mostly the same (apache, django, postgresql) but my team uses redis and your team uses memcache.
[17:51] <rick_h_> pmatulis: we can work together, using charm interfaces to reuse the rest of the stack yet the two teams can easily disagree on the caching part of the stack
[17:51] <rick_h_> e.g. if I find better apache config settings and update the charm, you can reuse that and gain the same benifits
[17:52] <pmatulis> rick_h_: gotcha, so share some charms but not necessarily all
[17:52] <rick_h_> pmatulis: exactly, and you can even have two different charms that implement the same inteface and swap them out
[17:53] <rick_h_> pmatulis: so let's say I want haproxy up front but you want to proxy throgh nginx. As long as we use the same proxy relation guide we can take the same app but proxy it different just by connecting it to different services
[17:53] <pmatulis> rick_h_: makes sense, thank you
[17:54] <rick_h_> pmatulis: np
[19:02] <kandar> hey
[19:35] <lazyPower> hazmat: ping
[19:35] <hazmat> lazyPower: pong
[19:35] <lazyPower> ahoy, I just noticed a comment on the DO api v1 sunset issue over on our juju provider
[19:36] <lazyPower> are you still working through that? if not i'll advise to use manual for the time being, v2 contributions appreciated.
[19:36] <hazmat> lazyPower: if we allow for growing the dependencies, its easy enough to knock out
[19:37] <lazyPower> i dont think there's any reason to be stingy with the dependency tree at this time
[19:37] <lazyPower> considering projects like this exist: https://github.com/koalalorenzo/python-digitalocean
[19:38] <lazyPower> we could pretty much bind on that API lib, and do the rewrite in a weekend (thats engineering optimism at its finest right?)
[19:41] <lazyPower> hazmat: replied. Thanks mate
[19:41] <hazmat> lazyPower: i'd guess a few hrs ;-)
[19:42] <lazyPower> Yeah, but you're a wizard harry
[19:43] <hazmat> lazyPower: i like this lib the most re doV2 api but its got some unfortunate ssh helpers that widen the dependency tree to include paramiko https://github.com/changhiskhan/poseidon
[19:44] <lazyPower> ah yeah
[19:45] <lazyPower> well, lets cross fingers someone in the community steps up to do the v2 migration in the next couple of weeks. It would be nice to see the consumers give back :)
[22:33] <cholcombe> lazyPower: do you know how maas zones are supposed to work?
[22:34] <cholcombe> i'm wondering what gets relayed back to my charm and what i'm supposed to do with it
[22:44] <cholcombe> can amulet use an apt-proxy?
[22:45] <lazyPower> cholcombe: sorry i was in my audio studio and didn't get your pings until just now
[22:45] <cholcombe> no worries
[22:45] <lazyPower> cholcombe: AIUI, MAAS zones are the same as regions, your charm wont see it, as thats abstracted away by the "provider" layer of juju
[22:46] <cholcombe> oh..
[22:46] <cholcombe> what if i want to see it? haha
[22:46] <cholcombe> my charm needs to layout bricks across fault zones
[22:46] <lazyPower> also, re: amulet using an apt-proxy - it will default to route through the config of whichever machine you're using. If your charms demand an apt mirror it would be good tos etup a squid-apt-proxy in your test env so they can zero conf configure+utilize if its available.
[22:47] <lazyPower> that would be something you leverage in the bundle
[22:47] <lazyPower> thats a layer above the charms concerns
[22:47] <cholcombe> hmm
[22:47] <cholcombe> interesting alright
[22:47] <lazyPower> bcsaller: am I correct in this statement? i'm starting to second guess myself ^
[22:47] <cholcombe> i'm wondering how to do this now
[22:49] <lazyPower> cholcombe: i'm 90% certain thats the case
[22:49] <lazyPower> you use constraints to set the zone
[22:50] <cholcombe> so with constraints in place is it the idea that juju will hand me units in the right order across zones?
[22:50] <cholcombe> i'm missing something
[22:51] <cholcombe> the case i'm thinking of is i have 3 racks of machines.  each rack is defined as a failure zone.  how does my charm get a list of units from those zones?
[22:54] <cholcombe> i can't be the first one to have thought of this lol
[23:01] <bcsaller> lazyPower: iirc you used to be able to juju set-env http(s)-proxy xxx or set-env apt-http(s)-proxy and apply those changes across the whole env, Is that what you mean?
[23:01] <lazyPower> bcsaller: ah no, i was referring to zones
[23:01] <lazyPower> but thats good to know about pthe proxies too, it's been a good while since i've tinkered with the proxy settings.
[23:02] <lazyPower> cholcombe: you define 3 service groups, that deploy to 3 sep. zones as constraints
[23:02] <lazyPower> eg: "gluster-group1" -- constraints="zone=rack1"     "gluster-group2" --constraints="zone=rack2"
[23:02] <cholcombe> so effectively my charm has no idea what is going on
[23:02] <lazyPower> so forth and so on
[23:02] <cholcombe> all i need to do is layout across servers and i'm good
[23:03] <cholcombe> alright that's good enough i think
[23:03] <lazyPower> basically, so long as they can communicate with one another that should work as intended
[23:03] <cholcombe> right
[23:03] <lazyPower> you get a full service group, comprised of 3 clusters in different zones.
[23:03] <cholcombe> and i just need to make sure i layout bricks across whatever i see
[23:03] <lazyPower> and you dont even need to name them differently afaict, you can just juju deploy, and/or add-unit witht eh constraint in place and it should "just work"
[23:04] <lazyPower> but ymmv with "just work"
[23:04] <cholcombe> right
[23:04] <lazyPower> mostly because you're listening to me :P
[23:04] <cholcombe> so slightly annoying from an admin perspective but easy from my charm's perspective
[23:04] <lazyPower> dangerous situation to be in
[23:04] <cholcombe> heh
[23:04] <lazyPower> well, if you think about it like this
[23:04] <lazyPower> the admin has to setup these service pools/zones in the first place
[23:04] <cholcombe> yup
[23:04] <lazyPower> how would charm know what to do that is proper?
[23:04] <cholcombe> definitely
[23:05] <cholcombe> it wouldn't
[23:05] <cholcombe> it doesn't have enough info to act
[23:05] <lazyPower> i mean, just because you have 8 zones available to you, it doesn't make sense to propigate across all 8 zones
[23:05] <cholcombe> right
[23:05] <lazyPower> cholcombe: what kind of music do you listen to?
[23:06] <cholcombe> electronic while i'm working.  heavy metal when i'm working out :)
[23:06] <lazyPower> oh really?
[23:06] <lazyPower> Snap
[23:06] <cholcombe> why?
[23:06] <lazyPower> I'll have something for you on dropbox in a couple minutes then
[23:06] <cholcombe> haha
[23:06] <lazyPower> Not going to publish this until tomorrow
[23:06] <cholcombe> ok
[23:06] <lazyPower> but i digress, would be awesome to get feedback
[23:06] <cholcombe> sure thing
[23:07] <cholcombe> so these constraints.  will i have separate clusters for each zone ?
[23:07] <cholcombe> cause that could get messy
[23:07] <lazyPower> that awkward moment when you realize you're in the public channel
[23:07]  * lazyPower facepalms
[23:07] <cholcombe> :D
[23:07] <lazyPower> Nah, you can use the same service name
[23:07] <lazyPower> just ensure when youd eploy, and you set the constraints, that you use different zone names for the unit(s)
[23:08] <cholcombe> i'm going to have to test this lol.
[23:08] <lazyPower> might be a good idea to model it on the CLI and export from teh gui so you get a sense of what it should look like as the final bundle form
[23:08] <cholcombe> right
[23:08] <lazyPower> but yeah, juju add-unit gluster --constraints="zone=foobar" should do the trick when you go to add unit(s)
[23:08] <cholcombe> i know what it should look like from gluster's perspective.  i'm just trying to figure out what my charm ends up seeing
[23:09] <cholcombe> lemme read the constraint page again


[00:00] <slangasek> because you have that in your DNS records :)
[00:00] <blkperl> what
[00:00] <slangasek> vault.cat.pdx.edu	hinfo = "Pogo" "NexentaStor"
[00:00] <blkperl> lulz
[00:01] <slangasek> (haven't seen an hinfo record in a loooong time)
[00:01]  * blkperl blames the network team :)
[00:06] <blkperl> if i specify vers=4 it seems to not hang...
[00:11] <blkperl> everytime i try to reproduce it to capture it works
[00:11] <blkperl> hate
[17:22] <colonelqubit> Anyone doing anything for 14.04?
[17:23]  * colonelqubit pokes at the /topic with a stick
[17:25] <nibalizer> colonelqubit: :(
[17:26]  * colonelqubit needs a bigger stick
[17:31]  * blkperl poke bkerensa
[18:08] <colonelqubit> http://ubuntu-oregon.org appears to be down as well
[18:09] <colonelqubit> I'll be in town for the next week -- any interesting events going on?
[18:09] <colonelqubit> (I'll also be heading up to LinuxFest NW, if anyone is going to attend)
[18:11]  * bkero will be there.
[18:13] <colonelqubit> cool
[18:17] <colonelqubit> bkero: I'll be representing LibreOffice and presenting: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/2014/sessions/libreoffice-lesson-plan-what-foss-can-teach-our-students
[18:17] <bkero> colonelqubit: I'll be representing Mozilla. Not presenting this year.
[18:18] <colonelqubit> Cool
[18:18] <colonelqubit> stop by and say hi
[18:27] <bkero> Sure thing


[02:36] <brushdem-> install gentoo
[02:36] <daftykins> ...
[02:36] <daftykins> sorry was that a response to someone asking "what would be really silly?"
[06:23] <ducasse> morning all
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:40] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i had to reinstall the trusty to xenial box update
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: totaly broken
[07:40] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not that uncommon, it seems...
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: new reinstall crashed on saving /home aswell so..
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> had to install fresh
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> lets hope this was lasts 5 new years :p
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how are things in norway?
[07:42] <ducasse> i'm soon going to upgrade to yakkety, i never stay that long on one version :)
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wich stage is yakketty in now?
[07:43] <ducasse> alpha 1, i think. i usually wait until the first beta or so.
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> !yakkety
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> ah october
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[07:44] <ducasse> they're waiting for 4.8, i believe
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah ive read an article they wanna ditch 4.6
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> im curious how unity 8 will develope
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> and thrilled about OTA 13 on phone
[07:48] <ducasse> i'm not too concerned about that, although the convergence thing would be nice
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:50] <ducasse> i'd love a phone/tablet that could give me a full desktop when connected to a screen
[07:50] <ducasse> just wish that desktop wasn't unity ;)
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> that would be awesome
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i really wish ubuntu would choose the way, users left more choices
[07:51] <ducasse> how do you mean?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well you know like old linux setups, where you could choose kde or gnome etc
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> in the setup screen
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> imagine the tablet starts that way, leave the user the choice for window manager
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> or i3 :p
[07:53] <ducasse> the problem with that is that the tablets etc run mir, not x11
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:54] <ducasse> they _really_ should have gone with wayland, imho
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> but i saw a kde tablet project once
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> not sure if its still active
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> lemme lookup
[07:54] <ducasse> fedora 25 will run wayland, i read
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> https://plasma-mobile.org/
[07:56] <lotuspsychje> would be so nice if ubuntu could be installed on every device
[07:56] <ducasse> intresting. have you seen this? http://hawaiios.org/
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> screens look delicious
[07:58] <ducasse> it looks really nice, i don't know how ready it is.
[07:58] <ducasse> there will probably be many options soon.
[07:59] <ducasse> more promising news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109327/hardware/let-the-cpu-wars-begin-amd-shows-its-zen-cpu-can-compete-with-intels-best.html
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> vivaldi kde tablet has been depraced..
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:02] <ducasse> have you tried vivaldi btw? been using it for a couple of days, i like it.
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive tested the other day
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> not bad, but prefer my chromium
[08:04] <ducasse> i'm still trying to decide, but i'll probably go back to firefox. stuck with it since the days of netscape navigator.
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/08/04/how-the-m10-tablet-can-save-you-luggage-space/
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah netscape was nice, but surely vurlernable as hell by now
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why they so proud about the Bq m10 tablet when stopped the bq phones to sell...
[08:06] <ducasse> hehe, i wouldn't be running that or mosaic today, no :)
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> thats really bad news for my business
[08:06] <ducasse> otoh, there was a lot less in netscape that could be exploited, no js etc.
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ZTE also announced users want android over linux on devices
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: also true, was more back to basic
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> but still you hear alot of exploits existing for the old style browsers like opera etc
[08:09] <brushdemon> simpler tools had simpler hacks
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> true
[08:10] <brushdemon> more sophisticated tools have similar hacks however there is a larger footprint and more potential for exploits
[08:10] <ducasse> if only flash would finally die...
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> and more users using an app, more chance of hackers finding mass exploits
[08:10] <brushdemon> well that would get rid of a few million issues :p
[08:11] <brushdemon> that's also true
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-blackarch-linux-iso-lands-with-over-1-500-penetration-testing-hacking-tools-507485.shtml
[08:14] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i wonder how big a market there really is for ubuntu phones. most people who would want one are probably enthusiasts and hobbyists.
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the only problem is the most wanted android apps everyone else uses
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> and users dont search for security
[08:15] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yep, it would need some big name apps to have a chance in the bigger market.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but i can convince users, by telling how vurlnerable android is
[08:16] <ducasse> there will be vulnerabilities for ubuntu phones as well.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> probably, but they will be handled much faster
[08:17] <ducasse> that's true, the android update system is horrible.
[08:17] <ducasse> well, it doesn't really exist at all.
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> users dont mind security, until one day they personal pics are gone or shared
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> when reality comes too close..
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> i helped few customers with stalkin/wifi issues in the past
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/zte-rejects-ubuntu-phone-proposal-says-buyers-dont-want-non-android-devices
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> bah
[08:27] <ducasse> well, i wouldn't want a china-made phone anyway :)
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> meizu is chinese
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> but if its broken and you have to send back to china : |
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> if one day ubuntu-touch will be installable on more devices itl get interesting
[08:31] <ducasse> the m10 looks really nice, though. making it possible to install ubuntu on more devices would be a good way to get more users.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:44] <ducasse> \o
[11:45] <ducasse> how are you today, BluesKaj?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse. I'm fine, and you?
[11:46] <ducasse> fine, thanks. raining heavily here, the cat and i are holed up indoors :)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> yeah , we had terrble thunderstorms last night, went to bed with flashlights because our electricity went out about 4 times, it's back on now, but we still have storm clouds
[23:47] <Dodge29_> hey
[23:50] <daftykins> \o