[00:00] <Penguino> Ok
[00:00] <Penguino> I'll try it
[00:00] <Penguino> I hope it works with apt-get
[00:00] <JanC> you need to install linux-generic or linux-image-generic
[00:00] <Penguino> Oh. ok
[00:01] <JanC> those will always depend on the latest -generic kernel
[00:01] <Penguino> Oh
[00:01] <Grahzny> Ah, interesting to explore how it's organized.
[00:02] <Penguino> But i think I must download it here on desktop, because server can't connect to Internet :D
[00:03] <Penguino> Whoops
[00:03] <Penguino> Thanks, JanC
[00:04] <JanC> Penguino: in that case you probably best download the latest kernel version directly, and install the linux-generic meta-package once you have an internet connection
[00:05] <Penguino> Ok
[00:53] <Bullterd> Evening All
[00:53] <Bullterd> I have a ubuntu server x64 install
[00:53] <Bullterd> and i just put in a adaptec PCI RAID Card, 16 port
[00:54] <Bullterd> I have setup 6x 500gb RAID 5 on the card, however, fdisk -l does not show the drive(s)
[00:54] <Bullterd> How would I go about setting that up ?
[00:58] <ropetin> Bullterd: did you prepare the RAID array using the Adaptec utility?
[00:58] <Bullterd> prepare?
[00:58] <Bullterd> I set it up as a logical drive e.t.c
[00:59] <ropetin> That's what I meant :)
[00:59] <Bullterd> Same as I did when it was a *shudder* M$ Server
[00:59] <ropetin> OK
[00:59] <Bullterd> but that was all in the adaptec BIOS config :)
[00:59] <ropetin> Exactly
[00:59] <Bullterd> I think it may be driver related :(
[01:00] <ropetin> I would guess maybe a kernel module issue, yeah
[01:00] <ropetin> Whats the exact model?
[01:00] <Bullterd> Adaptec AAR 21610SA
[01:03] <ropetin> Looks like it's aacraid you need, but not sure if it's enabled as standard or not
[01:03] <Bullterd> Hah
[01:03] <Bullterd> Which swiftly brings me along to
[01:03] <ropetin> modrobe it?
[01:03] <Bullterd> Why do I keep getting "aacraid host adapter abort request"
[01:04] <ropetin> modprobe even
[01:05] <Bullterd> Um, How would I do that?
[01:05] <ropetin> sudo modprobe aacraid
[01:15] <OscarTgrouch> what is the best way to block server access to a certain IP?
[01:16] <ropetin> OscarTgrouch: iptables?
[01:17] <ropetin> Or ufw which is a front end fow ufw
[01:17] <ropetin> for ufw
[01:18] <nitsedy> Oscar, this should help: http://www.higherpass.com/linux/Tutorials/Iptables-Primer/4/
[01:18] <nitsedy> third line down
[01:20] <Bullterd> ropetin: modprobe aacraid returns nothing
[01:20] <ropetin> Bullterd: I'm out of ideas then, sorry
[01:35] <MTecknology> So - deploying dovecot-postfix - how quickly can I setup a brand new email server?
[01:38] <lamont> depends on how you define "email server"
[01:38] <lamont> and how familiar you are with dovecot and postfix
[01:39] <lamont> by the 3rd one, I'd expect the answer to be on the order of minutes,  most of which is waiting for hte computer to finish what it's doing
[01:41] <SJr|Work> klogd is/was going nuts on my system using almost 100% cpu usage, it is unacceptable
[01:41] <MTecknology> lamont: I've done courier/postfix from scratch a couple times in a vm - never dovecort
[01:42] <SJr|Work> I have since restarted the machine, but to prevent this from happening again, I am left with only two options, investigate the cause of the high cpu usage, and correct it. Or failing that, format the machine and install the antithesis of Ubuntu, debian.
[01:43] <MTecknology> SJr|Work: well, if it were me, I'd do the first
[01:43] <MTecknology> probably a whole lot easier
[01:43] <SJr|Work> Any suspects?
[01:44] <MTecknology> lamont: is dovecot easier to figure out?
[01:44] <MTecknology> SJr|Work: why didn't you kill it to see what else was running?
[01:44] <SJr|Work> I did
[01:44] <infinity> MTecknology: dovecot pretty much "just works" for most simple configurations.
[01:45] <infinity> MTecknology: So, yeah, I'd call it easy.
[01:45] <MTecknology> infinity: cool :)
[01:45] <MTecknology> infinity: anything special for multiple domains?
[01:46] <infinity> Depends on what you mean by "mutliple domains".
[01:46] <infinity> Multiple domains being delivered to real local users, or virtual users?
[01:46] <lamont> MTecknology: dovecot is on my list of things to figure out
[01:46] <MTecknology> virtual
[01:46] <infinity> I don't do virtual users, so couldn't say.
[01:47] <infinity> I do "virtual domain" in my MTA, in the sense that they all have their own aliases and such, but back-end delivery still ultimately lands in the mailboxes of real UNIX users.
[01:47] <MTecknology> I would like to keep all mail in /var/spool/mail/virtual/user stored in maildir format - I prefer not having real users
[01:49] <infinity> MTecknology: Combining it with something like vpopmail might make the virtual user thing easier.
[01:50] <infinity> MTecknology: But yeah.   Any ideas? :(
[02:15] <Bullterd> Checked the media ?
[02:15] <Bullterd> DVD / CD Drive OK? (as in, not an old shitey one)
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> Tried a couple of different brands of CD. I did put a memtest86+ ISO on one and that booted up no idea
[02:16] <Bullterd> Dunno
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> It's a VIA Epia 5000.
[02:16] <Sam-I-Am> not trying to fun 64-bit on 32, right?
[02:16] <Sam-I-Am> fun/run
[02:16] <RS_Asleepy> Nope :)
[02:17] <Bullterd> Dang, theres a concept
[02:17] <Bullterd> XP picks up everything first time
[02:17] <Bullterd> :'(
[02:17] <RS_Asleepy> I did have a look around and I did notice some people did have issues with the Epia, but they all seemed to be at least able to install it!
[02:18] <Sam-I-Am> have you tried any other linux distros?
[02:18] <Sam-I-Am> like... debian lenny, or ubuntu 9.04 beta?
[02:18] <RS_Asleepy> It has debian on it but I thought I'd give Ubuntu a try
[02:18] <RS_Asleepy> Not tried 9.04
[02:19] <RS_Asleepy> I did notice there was 8.04 LTS, but I'm not sure if a) thats a wise choice to use b) what the difference is between that and 8.10
[02:19] <Sam-I-Am> it has extended support... thats all
[02:19] <LonelyGirl545454> Hello all
[02:20] <RS_Asleepy> I don't think I'm doing anything daft :)
[02:20] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: Pics else liez! :D
[02:20] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: That aside, can I help ?
[02:21] <LonelyGirl545454> Im having trouble setting up Jinzora on Ubuntu 8.10 server.  Im following this wiki http://en.jinzorahelp.com/wiki/Linux_Installation_with_shell_access  I've gotten to the part where i set up the permissions.  Then when i direct my browser to the folder i get a "403 forbidden Error" .  Any ideas?
[02:21] <Bullterd> ropetin: Haha, guess what color my screen just turned
[02:21] <Sam-I-Am> your permissions are wrong :)
[02:21] <LonelyGirl545454> =) Hi Sam.
[02:22] <LonelyGirl545454> Should i be using something different then "chmod 744 configure.sh"
[02:22] <LonelyGirl545454> Im new....SHHHH. =)
[02:22] <Sam-I-Am> thats just the script... the 403 is from what the web browser probably doesnt have permission to read
[02:22] <Bullterd> What Sam-I-Am said basically
[02:23] <Bullterd> chmod the folder
[02:23] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: Did the shell script execute OK ?
[02:24] <LonelyGirl545454> Is that when i set the permissions.  Im sorry.  Im extremely new to this.
[02:24] <LonelyGirl545454> It said it was ready to install and to direct the browser to http://ip/jinzora2 after i set the permissions
[02:25] <LonelyGirl545454> Bull should i cd to /var/www and then type chmod 744 jinzora2?
[02:25] <Bullterd> erm
[02:25] <Bullterd> LonelyGirl545454: It says you've gotta execute the shell script
[02:25] <Bullterd> did you do that
[02:29] <LonelyGirl545454> @bull.  i sent you a private message dont know if you received it or not.
[02:29] <LonelyGirl545454> Im not sure exactly what part of the wiki has me Executing the shell script.  in all honesty i dont even know what that means.  Please feel free to enlighten me. =).   I've done everything down to the setting permissions part.
[02:30] <MTecknology> There any guides to deploying dovecot-courier?
[02:30] <MTecknology> I selected it on installatiopn
[02:30] <Sam-I-Am> anything in the server guide?
[02:31] <MTecknology> not that i saw
[02:31] <Sam-I-Am> gotta be something out there...
[02:32] <Sam-I-Am> i'm familiar with cyrus, but not dovecot/courier
[02:32] <MTecknology> i'm sure there is, idk where it's at - that's why I'm asking :P
[02:32] <MTecknology> Sam-I-Am: in 9.04 there's a dovecot-courier package
[02:32] <OscarTG> how do i list all the servers that are running on my machine>?
[02:33] <ScottK> MTecknology: You mean using dovecot with courier-mta?
[02:33] <MTecknology> first created user in 9.04 isn't automatically in the sudoers file....
[02:33] <MTecknology> wtf
[02:33] <Sam-I-Am> MTecknology: it was for me
[02:33] <MTecknology> i tried sudo -s and it said differently
[02:34] <Sam-I-Am> is that the user you installed with?
[02:34] <Sam-I-Am> when it asked for a user
[02:34] <MTecknology> just installed it - ya
[02:35] <MTecknology> only user that exists
[02:35] <MTecknology> i ran id and it only shows uid=1000(michael) gid=1000(michael) groups=1000(michael)
[02:36] <Sam-I-Am> weird...
[02:36] <MTecknology> extremely - fresh install
[02:37] <MTecknology> I can't fight with figuring it out though... i have no mail server right now :P
[02:39] <MTecknology> hurray for recovery boot
[02:39] <infinity> MTecknology: Did you do an "expert" install?
[02:39] <infinity> MTecknology: If you do an expert install and set a root password, it bypassed the usual adding-the-first-user-to-admin-groups and such.
[02:39] <infinity> (at least, it used to)
[02:40] <MTecknology> nope, just standard server install
[02:40] <MTecknology> oh well - all better
[02:41] <MTecknology> only 80 updates
[02:42] <Bullterd> I love this.
[02:42] <Bullterd> Linux's main issue: Hardware compatibility
[02:42] <Bullterd> What do I get? Thats right, Hardware compatibility
[02:42] <Bullterd> Windows's Main Issue: BSOD's
[02:42] <Bullterd> What do I get? Thats right, a BSOD
[02:43] <Bullterd> and wheres my Official ubuntu stress relief ball I bought last week?
[02:43] <MTecknology> perhaps you have bad hardware...
[02:43] <Bullterd> Yep, Cant find it
[02:43] <Bullterd> MTecknology: Nah, Its not bad
[02:43] <Bullterd> Linux didnt like my adaptec controller, thats fair doo's
[02:43] <Bullterd> Windows didnt like not having drivers for my onboard SATA
[02:44] <MTecknology> still nothing found for dovecot-courier...
[02:45] <infinity> MTecknology: dovecot-courier wouldn't make much sense, since they both fulfil the same role.
[02:45] <MTecknology> s/courier/postfix/
[02:46] <infinity> Well, there's nothing to configure to make them work together, really.
[02:46] <infinity> By default, they Just Work.
[02:46] <MTecknology> !info dovecot-postfix
[02:46] <MTecknology> !info dovecot-postfix jaunty
[02:46] <infinity> For things like virtual users, you configure postfix to deliver to said virtual users, you configure dovecot to read from them.
[02:46] <infinity> Just install dovecot and postfix. :P
[02:46] <MTecknology> I know, one handles delivery and one handles reading
[02:47] <MTecknology> infinity: I installed that package... idk how to configure it - I've never dealt w/ dovecot before
[02:47] <infinity> Or, if you're happier with courier, postfix and courier, or exim4 and courier, or, or, or...
[02:47] <infinity> MTecknology: Well, for basic use, it's already configured.
[02:47] <infinity> MTecknology: For deeper and crazier configs, the dovecot wiki is good.
[02:48] <MTecknology> how? it automatically knows everything about everything?
[02:48] <infinity> MTecknology: Well, a default setup doesn't have virtual users or anything, so yeah, a default postfix and default dovecot just DTRT.
[02:49] <MTecknology> that makes very little sense that it knows everything about the server environment
[02:49] <infinity> MTecknology: What's there to know?
[02:49] <infinity> MTecknology: We have filesystem hierarchy standards and such for a reason.  Every MTA and MDA we ship knows where things happen by default.
[02:50] <infinity> MTecknology: Until you decide to do something slightly more fun/funky, they all "Just Work".
[02:50] <MTecknology> i never expected anything to be able to happen like that
[02:51] <MTecknology> authentication is handled by pam?
[02:51] <infinity> Yup.
[02:51] <MTecknology> and maildir automatically exists for the user?
[02:52] <infinity> Don't recall if the default setup is mbox or maildir, to be honest.
[02:52] <MTecknology> what about multiple domains?
[02:52] <MTecknology> I have 5 of them
[02:53] <infinity> Multiple domains to local users is just a question of what domains you ask postfic to accept mail for.  Multiple domains to aliased users would start requiring lookup maps in postfix, I assume, which is out of my scope as an exim user.
[02:53] <infinity> Multiple domains to virtual users starts looking at tying something like vpopmail into postfix and dovecot for lookup tables.
[02:54] <MTecknology> alrighty - I'll enjoy knowing that the package exists for smaller setups or single domains - i think I'll resort to my whole massive setup :P
[02:54] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[02:58] <MTecknology> infinity: the setup I was looking at originally uses courier/postfix/mysql/postgrey/sasl/amavis/spamassassin/clamav
[02:58] <infinity> Whatever works for you. :)
[02:58] <MTecknology> infinity: how does the default setup do w/ tls - or is that an extra config?
[02:59] <infinity> Mine's exim4/dovecot/spamassasin and some other bits.
[02:59] <infinity> TLS should be pretty much an out-of-the-box (maybe changing one option?) thing for most of the mail software in the distro.
[02:59] <infinity> We auto-generate snakeoil certs for the lazy, even.
[03:00] <MTecknology> ya - I'm going to need to figure out how to get my cert to be used
[03:00] <MTecknology> that'll be fun - I can use the exact same cert for imaps/pops/smtps/https right?
[03:01] <infinity> Yup.
[03:01] <infinity> As long as they all use the same hostname.
[03:01] <MTecknology> awesome
[03:03] <MTecknology> I figure I have an hour left before email messages start bouncing and not coming back
[03:35] <MTecknology> almost have postfix configured :D
[03:39] <giovani> almost? :)
[03:39] <giovani> postfix is a 10 minute from 0 to 100 config
[03:41] <MTecknology> depending on how you set it up
[03:42] <MTecknology> all done
[03:43] <MTecknology> it was about a 45min setup for me - I have a crap load of security options and other crap setup
[03:46] <MTecknology> I lied, forgot about setting up tls
[03:47] <MTecknology> /etc/postfix/master.cf isn't so much fun to muck around in
[04:23] <MTecknology> almost have my mail server redone except for smtp... biggest part right now
[04:24] <JanC> postfix requires a bit of reading docs, but it's not illogical once you understand...  ;)
[04:25] <MTecknology> JanC: It should be working right now - but I can't connect on that port
[04:25] <MTecknology> not open at all
[04:25] <JanC> that's better than it being open for everybody  ;)
[04:25] <MTecknology> ya - but I know I have email bouncing :P
[04:27] <JanC> MTecknology: the logs should have info
[04:27] <JanC> BTW: what are you trying to do?
[04:27] <MTecknology> lol - had three files owned by root instead of postfix
[04:27] <MTecknology> JanC: setup a mail server
[04:28] <JanC> "a mail server" can be a lot of things...
[04:28] <MTecknology> email
[04:28] <MTecknology> courier/postfix/mysql/postgrey/sasl/amavis/spamassassin/clamav
[04:28] <JanC> my server does IMAP (using dovecot) and SMTP (using postfix)
[04:29] <JanC> incoming mail on the default SMTP port
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup
[04:29] <JanC> mails I send on the "submission" port
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup
[04:29] <JanC> (meaning SMTP over TLS/SSL)
[04:29] <MTecknology> yup ;)
[04:29] <JanC> + authentication
[04:29] <twb> The submission port need not be SSL, I think
[04:30] <JanC> twb: need not be, but if you want security...  :P
[04:30] <twb> Right, so they are orthogonal.
[04:30] <twb> And both good, of course.
[04:30] <JanC> I use this with my laptop everywhere
[04:31] <JanC> and it's easy enough to require TLS/SSL on it
[04:33] <JanC> MTecknology: so, what doesn't work?
[04:34] <JanC> MTecknology: and why use courier ?  ツ
[04:34] <MTecknology> it's working now
[04:35] <JanC> forgot to restart a daemon?  ;)
[04:35] <MTecknology> because I know courier, never used dovecot
[04:35] <MTecknology> permissions
[04:35] <MTecknology> /etc/init.d/postfix check   let me know what was wrong
[04:35] <JanC> right
[04:35] <MTecknology> This is why postfix took so long to configure - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148082/
[04:36] <JanC> hm, I don't use amavis anymore
[04:36] <MTecknology> why not?
[04:37] <JanC> I had to restart it too often...   :P
[04:37] <JanC> (manually, that is)
[04:37] <MTecknology> I hope I won't have to
[04:37] <MTecknology> I set it up to notify on updates, so it should be good
[04:38] <MTecknology> wtf......
[04:38] <MTecknology> I just accidentally ran sudo reboot instead of sudo aptitude update
[04:39] <JanC> lol
[04:39] <MTecknology> JanC: why does your nick seem so familiar?
[04:39] <JanC> but amavis just kept eating memory on my server, so I removed it  ;)
[04:40] <JanC> MTecknology: #ubuntu-locoteams ?
[04:40] <MTecknology> oh - thanks
[04:40] <JanC> and ubuntu-be.org  ;)
[04:41] <MTecknology> that would be it :)
[04:41] <JanC> IIRC you made our site theme
[04:41] <MTecknology> yup - you like it?
[04:41] <JanC> yeah, it's good
[04:42] <JanC> now we just need to make the site better  ;)
[04:42] <MTecknology> I'm in that boat too - feel free to stick around in -drupal :)
[04:43] <JanC> -drupal ?
[04:44] <JanC> ubuntu-drupal ?
[04:44] <MTecknology> #ubuntu-drupal
[04:44] <MTecknology> ya
[04:44] <JanC> it's mostly Pierre who does the site admin tasks though
[04:45] <MTecknology> well - after an update I'll need to reboot my server - I always reboot for kernel updates - that's a good idea, right?
[04:45] <JanC> without a reboot kernel upgrades have no effect
[04:46] <JanC> but on my server I wait a day to see if it will cause no major breakage
[04:46] <JanC> at least for most kernel updates
[04:47] <MTecknology> you mean like waiting for bug reports?
[04:47] <JanC> bug reports or people complaining in blogs or whatever
[04:47] <MTecknology> oh
[04:48] <JanC> if something is really wrong with a kernel, it will be published widely in no time  ;)
[04:48] <JanC> depends on what was fixed
[04:48] <MTecknology> I suppose - I can wait till after release before rebooting again
[04:48] <MTecknology> any eta on ubuntu supporting ext4 defrag?
[04:49] <MTecknology> preferably online - but I don't care how it's done
[04:49] <JanC> I'm the only one with access to this server, so local privilege escalations are not as urgent as they would be for a shared hosting provider
[04:50] <JanC> eh, I hope you don't use ext4 yet?  ;)
[04:50] <MTecknology> lol - what you said reminded me about how I upgraded to 9.04 and Ext4 remotely - ext4 on /, /home, and others
[04:51] <MTecknology> would been fine if other tutorials didn't leave out a vital step - but that wouldn't even have been an issue if my motherboard wasn't crapping out
[04:51] <MTecknology> why not?
[04:51] <JanC> because it's new?
[04:51] <MTecknology> lol - that's how I run
[04:52] <MTecknology> all my servers are now 9.04, my laptop is, my servers are one defrag away from being all ext4
[04:52] <MTecknology> I'm that guy you guys like that reports huge issues where a system dies because they tried the newest stuff :P
[04:53] <MTecknology> I have noticed issues w/ it - but they've been incredibly minor
[04:53] <MTecknology> found existing bug reports and called it good enough :P
[04:53] <JanC> ext4 is new & largely untested, so I don't use it for a server that has serious tasks (like providing my e-mail & some websites)
[04:54] <MTecknology> email, samba, websites, backups, irc, bots, etc :P
[04:54] <MTecknology> I know, not safe - and I don't advise people doing it - but I did write a blog in case people do - so they don't have the same issues I did
[04:55] <MTecknology> I still need to reconfigure samba, restore data, etc on this (primary) server
[04:56] <JanC> I host websites that aren't just for personal use  ;)
[04:56] <MTecknology> I do a few of those - but business websites are on 1&1
[04:56] <MTecknology> the bandwidth here proved to be too low to use
[04:57] <MTecknology> 2.9MB/s over wireless - not bad
[04:57] <JanC> I'm not talking about business, but I take open source projects seriously...
[04:57] <MTecknology> my loco site is on there, that's about it
[04:57] <MTecknology> for important stuff
[04:57] <JanC> I host the gparted forum  ;)
[04:58] <MTecknology> ya, would stick w/ stable for that
[04:58] <JanC> and if I hosted my loco team site, I won't be playing with bleedign edge shit either
[04:59] <JanC> actually, this server is still running debian
[04:59] <JanC> well, VPS
[04:59] <MTecknology> well - for a while, that site was the bleeding edge version of that package - but now dev is at staging.profarius.com
[05:03] <MTecknology> You shoulda seen it when I decided it was time to clean up the code
[05:04] <MTecknology> that was over 100k lines of diff
[05:08] <MTecknology> and great - things seem to work except I can log into webmail - I wonder if telnet shows me messages
[05:09] <twb> ITYM nc.
[05:09] <MTecknology> ?
[05:10] <twb> Using telnet to connect a network socket to stdio is rather... old-fashioned.
[05:10] <MTecknology> it's good for testing things though - see an exact error
[05:10] <twb> netcat or socat at least lack telnets stigma.
[05:10] <twb> MTecknology: no, I mean using telnet to do it, instead of a tool specifically FOR that purpose.
[05:10] <MTecknology> what should I use to test?
[05:11] <MTecknology> a LOGIN<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password   ;   * BYE Temporary problem, please try again later
[05:11] <MTecknology> wtf...
[05:12] <MTecknology> nice - Apr  9 23:11:34 vindico imapd: authentication error: No such file or directory
[05:13] <MTecknology> the bright side is... email is coming in right now
[05:16] <MTecknology> I wish I knew how to track that down
[05:18] <JanC> MTecknology: telnet does some things that most servers ignore, but it's better not to do them (so that's why you want to use netcat instead)
[05:19] <MTecknology> use it the same way?
[05:19] <JanC> yes, you can use them for the same things that you use telnet now
[05:19] <MTecknology> ok
[05:19] <JanC> telnet is for those poor souls still left on Windows  ;)
[05:20] <JanC> they don't have decent tools available  ;)
[05:20] <MTecknology> ok
[05:20] <twb> Haha, cygwin
[05:21] <JanC> netcat is probably also available as 'nc' BTW
[05:22] <MTecknology> I wonder if this is killing it... MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD concat(home,'/',maildir)
[05:22] <JanC> twb: yeah, and maybe even in a mingw version
[05:22] <MTecknology> I don't know offhand how that's built
[05:28] <MTecknology> there we go - screwed up a default value in mysql so mail was pointing at the wrong spot
[05:31] <MTecknology> JanC: How do I make directories automatically and not allow users to delete them?
[05:34] <JanC> I have no clue about how you implemented your server
[05:34] <MTecknology> :(
[05:35] <JanC> dovecot can make directories automaticly
[05:37] <MTecknology> I know courier can too - it's probably because of my funky setup
[05:40] <MTecknology> I made it so I can't delete certain folders... but not so it created the whole profile automatically
[05:49] <MTecknology> I am so unbelievably happy I don't need to do this on a large scale
[08:41] <MTecknology> I installed courier-webadmin but I don't know how to get to it - any pointers?
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> tried http?
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> !info courier-webadmin
[08:42] <MTecknology> Kamping_Kaiser: I tried getting to it but I don't see any apache files for it
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, i'd suggest looking in /usr/share/doc/courier-webadmin/ for doco
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, probably drops a file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/
[08:43] <MTecknology> there isn't
[08:43] <MTecknology> I checked there which is why I;m confised
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> odd. try the doco dir, i might have a readme.debian
[08:43] <MTecknology> there is
[08:43] <MTecknology> http://localhost/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/i /it
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> \o/
[08:44] <MTecknology> but I go there and get nothing
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> check your logs for info.
[08:45] <MTecknology> nothing to really look for though - there's no apache config
[08:50] <MTecknology> Kamping_Kaiser: this sucks :(
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, sorry, i cant really help with specifics, and i didnt know the utility existed until you told me about it.
[08:51] <MTecknology> from what I'm seeing - it should "just work"
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> MTecknology, i can only suggest things like check you have cgi setup in apache properly - with niche apps dependencies can go astray without people noticing at times.
[08:51]  * Kamping_Kaiser shrugs. :9
[08:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> * :(
[08:53] <MTecknology> thanks for trying :)
[08:53] <MTecknology> it sounds like it could be a really awesome tool
[08:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck with it, let me know if you win
[08:55] <MTecknology> yup
[08:56] <MTecknology> I've won on most everything else so far today - jsut want to alter the way it works a little bit and I'm tired of massive configsd
[08:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> I might be about to have a win as well.
[08:57] <MTecknology> win what?
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> building a custom install cd
[08:58] <MTecknology> fun
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> not really :p
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow, brb
[08:58] <MTecknology> what purpose?
[09:04] <MTecknology> !info courier-webadmin
[09:04] <MTecknology> !info courier-webadmin jaunty
[09:06] <MTecknology> I wonder how long it'll take to run updatedb on 1.5TB
[09:29] <cemc> MTecknology: probably the file count is more important than how much it occupies
[09:34] <MTecknology> cemc: hm?
[09:36] <cemc> AFAIK updatedb creates a list, an index of all the filenames and directories
[09:37] <sejo> someone experience with python-pgsql on ubuntu hardy? can't get it installed
[09:38] <cemc> so it doesn't really matter how mach data you have, if you have 1 large 1.5TB file, it won't take a second to run updatedb. if you however have lots of files and directories, it can take a while
[09:38] <sejo> python-psycopg2: Depends: python-egenix-mxdatetime but it is not installable
[09:38] <sejo> same for python-pgsql
[09:38] <MTecknology> sejo: oh.. whole lotta files
[09:38] <MTecknology> figure < 50MB each
[09:38] <sejo> MTecknology: ?
[09:39] <sejo> this is on an ubuntu hardy (server)
[09:39] <MTecknology> cemc: **
[09:40] <cemc> on my laptop with 160k files it takes about 30 seconds to run
[09:41] <MTecknology> How can I see how many files it scanned?
[09:41] <MTecknology> I know the first time takes longer
[09:45] <MTecknology> How do I run perl code in apache?
[09:46] <MTecknology> :'( - I want to get these two things done before sleep
[09:49] <jpds> MTecknology: Tried libapache2-mod-perl2?
[09:50] <MTecknology> ya, didn't help
[09:50] <MTecknology> jpds: wanna peak at my config?
[09:51] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148223/
[09:51] <MTecknology> it's short
[10:00] <acicula> that's not with mod-perl?
[10:00] <acicula> but you still dont get perl code execution with that snippet?
[10:05] <MTecknology> acicula: nope
[10:05] <acicula> anything helpfull in the logs?
[10:06] <acicula> i think it should work exactly the same as using php 4 in cgi mode
[10:07] <acicula> maybe that helps with finding config examples
[10:09] <MTecknology> my coputer just freaked
[10:09] <MTecknology> [Fri Apr 10 04:02:14 2009] [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6-3ubuntu4 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8g mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.0 configured -- resuming normal operations
[10:09] <MTecknology> only thing resemnling an error
[10:09] <acicula> did you threatn it to install windows again?
[10:10] <MTecknology> it's in error.log
[10:10] <MTecknology> nope
[10:10] <acicula> that is remarkebly unhelpfull
[10:10] <acicula> heh
[10:10] <MTecknology> the error?
[10:11] <MTecknology> I know it is :P
[10:12] <acicula> yeh, heh
[10:12] <acicula> so if you request the perl cgi through apache, what happens
[10:13] <MTecknology> wants me to dload file
[10:15] <MTecknology> I wanna be sleeping by 5am
[10:16] <acicula> ah
[10:16] <acicula> so it doesnt know it's supposed to execute it\
[10:17] <MTecknology> doesn't seem like it
[10:17] <MTecknology> makes no dang sense...
[10:17] <acicula> so your configuration is not faulty, it's just doesnt do what you want
[10:17] <MTecknology> sure
[10:17] <MTecknology> I usually assume I just screwed up
[10:18] <acicula> though dunno whats missing, have a look at how to conf the php4 bin with cgibin, this works in the same way, just swap php for pl
[10:18] <acicula> or use modperl :)?
[10:19] <MTecknology> ya - i did that alreyad
[10:19] <MTecknology> damned courier-webadmin - thought life was going to get easier
[10:19] <acicula> hehe
[10:21] <MTecknology> regenerating this ssl cert is a pain too
[10:22] <acicula> heu why
[10:23] <MTecknology> Distinguished Name does not match existing certs Distinguished Name
[10:23] <MTecknology> no idea what that means
[10:26] <acicula> The Distinguished Name information should be entered accurately to reflect your registered organization name
[10:28] <MTecknology> heh... I don't even get asked to enter that info
[10:28] <MTecknology> DN
[10:34] <MTecknology> hurray, I think I have this thing re-keyed
[10:38] <MTecknology> great - now I'm too tired to remember how to impliment these :P
[10:41] <MTecknology> screw it - it's 04:41
[10:41] <MTecknology> I'll ttyal
[10:41] <acicula> nn
[10:51] <kraut> moin
[13:29] <t325> Hello, I'm trying to build mysql-5.1.33 from a modified generic source code on an Ubuntu box (not sure of the version, it's an Amazon EC2 box set up by another guy working on the project) with OpenSSL; cannot figure out which value I have to pass to --with-ssl= in the configure statement (--with-openssl doesn't exist anymore in the last MySQL 5.1 releases, you have to specify the path where to find the OpenSSL libs). Have the openssl package installed. It
[13:32] <t325> Google led me to an outdated tutorial for MySQL 5.0 on Ubuntu with OpenSSL and a Debian Etch-specific tutorial (http://talkingcode.co.uk/2007/11/12/error-2026-hy000-ssl-connection-error-the-joy-of-mysql-ssl-on-debian/)
[13:59] <acicula> t325: they are probably in /usr/bin ? try locate libssl
[14:00] <acicula> err /usr/lib
[14:01] <t325> In fact libssl-dev has to be installed (didn't have it); then dpkg -L libssl-dev (got the reply on ubuntu-devel..)
[14:02] <t325> then configure mysql -with-ssl=/usr/include/openssl/
[14:03] <t325> now will it build that's another question..
[14:03] <acicula> arent there packages with prebuilt ssl support?
[14:04] <t325> I modified the source code; adding SSL support to the Federated storage engine
[14:04] <t325> but I think that they aren't
[14:05] <t325> MySQL doesn't care much about SSL
[14:06] <t325> (and the packagers seem to follow this trend)
[14:09] <acicula> i suppose most mysql servers are not attached to public interfaces much
[14:13] <t325> might be, but anyways I think that SSL should be given more support since the wide adoption of MySQL by very different businesses with very different needs..
[14:14] <acicula> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/secure-using-ssl.html
[14:14] <acicula> seems it supports ssl already?
[14:15] <acicula> and you dont need to specify the =path either it seems as long as your dev headers are in the default location
[14:15] <acicula> as far as being build with ssl support, you'd have to take that up with the maintainer, or modify the deb package file?
[14:18] <t325> talking about 5.1; it does support SSL, but badly - you have to investigate if you want to build against OpenSSL which is way more feature complete than built-in yaSSL but non-GPL -> legal bs
[14:20] <t325> ..it built successfuly!
[14:21] <t325> I only test it on Ubuntu, it will not be the production platform, but yes I could get in touch with the maintainer..
[15:57] <jcastro> kees: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:57] <jcastro> kees: I was thinking, could someone on the security team do something like "Introduction to Apparmor" or something?
[16:54] <madmartian> could anyone help me set up spamc to filter my mail through a provider's spamd service?
[17:14] <bytor4232> madmartian: spamc -d ip_address
[17:14] <bytor4232> madmartian: Of course, the spamd at ip_address needs to be able to listen
[17:14] <madmartian> bytor4232: is there a way I can integrate that into postfix
[17:14] <cornmander> hi, I just noticed that trying to execute things in my cwd fails: -bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory
[17:14] <cornmander> even though hldsupdatetool.bin exists and has 755 permissions
[17:19] <cornmander> ah, got it, I don't have 32 bit libs installed
[17:44] <bytor4232> madmartian: I'm not sure.  I've always used spamc in procmail
[17:45] <madmartian> bytor4232: how does that work?
[17:46] <ivoks> that's slow and bad for CPU
[18:05] <mike-9> Having a problem logging in (on ubuntu). I'm currently connected to my headless server because I got an error logging in with putty. I try to log in with my normal user and I get this: setuid: Resource Temporarily Unavailable. However, I can log in as root (which is why I'm logged in as root). Any ideas on what I need to do to fix this? Google didn't provide much help
[18:06] <ivoks> might be lots of things
[18:06] <ivoks> did you check dmesg?
[18:06] <ivoks> for filesystem errors
[18:06] <mike-9> ivoks: dmesg is flooded with firewall messages. err, I need to fix that.
[18:07] <ivoks> have you changed anything for your user?
[18:11] <cjwatson> that sounds like the system is under exceptionally heavy load, to me
[18:11] <cjwatson> check top
[18:11] <cjwatson> firewall message flooding might not be helping
[18:12] <cjwatson> setuid(2) says:
[18:12] <cjwatson>        EAGAIN The uid does not match the current uid and  uid  brings  process
[18:12] <cjwatson>               over its RLIMIT_NPROC resource limit.
[18:12] <ivoks> good one
[18:12] <cjwatson> which is the error you're seeing - so, in English, your normal user has too many processes running
[18:13] <cjwatson> (or else resource limits are misconfigured, I suppose)
[18:14] <ivoks> anyone has experience with four quad core cpus? i've heard opteron is better for that amount of cpus, cause xeon is limited by fb-dimm
[18:24] <madmartian> how do I set up a filter in Postfix? I want to do spam filtering with spamc using my hosting provider's spamd daemon, and I can't work out how to put spamc in the pipeline?
[18:27] <giovani> madmartian: did you read the postfix documentation?
[18:29] <madmartian> giovani: yes, but I can't seem to make head nor tail of it and there has to be an easier way of integrating spamc than a shell script
[18:30] <giovani> it's pretty clear, I think
[18:30] <giovani> http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[18:30] <giovani> the content inspection section
[18:30] <Black_Lord> ïðèâåò âñåì
[18:31] <madmartian> giovani: i'm looking at http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[18:31] <Black_Lord> åñòü êòî íèáóäü?æèâîé
[18:32] <MTecknology> time to finish redoing my server :)
[18:33] <Black_Lord> ìîæíî ïîñòàâèòü óáóíòó ñåðâåð ñ ãðàô îáîëî÷êîé?
[18:33] <madmartian> !ops
[18:34] <ikonia> Black_Lord: please stop that
[18:49] <madmartian> thanks for your help
[18:58] <frojnd> hello there
[18:59] <petia> ivoks, early today today, we are working till 2 pm cause of the catholic easter
[18:59] <petia> so i'm about to go home , yeaa !!!!
[18:59] <ivoks> ?
[19:00] <petia> ivoks, i'm just glad i'm leaving early today , and its a holiday i had to share with you since you are my friend
[19:00] <ivoks> i am?
[19:01] <ivoks> :)
[19:01] <petia> yeah you helped me out, so i consider you my friend !
[19:01] <frojnd> bah.. lucky u... I have to program or learn to program with  MFC VS08 here :(
[19:01] <ivoks> petia: well, happy easter
[19:01] <petia> you too guys
[19:02] <petia> i'm out
[19:10] <ivoks> oh, we don't install dovecot-postfix as a mail task?
[19:15] <ivoks> a bit disappointing :)
[19:15] <lamont> ivoks: huh?  is that gonna have to wait for karmic then?
[19:15] <ivoks> i had even bigger plans for karmic, like ldap integration and stuff
[19:16] <ivoks> i was expecting this would be in jaunty
[19:25] <MTecknology> ok... I have a .key and .crt for my server and the .crt for the issuer. I setup postfix and apache to use it - but I have no idea how to take care of this for courier since it wants a .pem file
[19:26] <cemc> MTecknology: you can just cat .crt .key > .pem
[19:26] <cemc> and give that to courier
[19:26] <cemc> so the .crt and the .key will be in the .pem file
[19:27] <MTecknology> oh - thanks :)
[19:34] <frojnd> does ubuntu have somesort of a search engine that finds a package and it's repository ?
[19:34] <frojnd> I need a repository for bittorent package
[19:35] <giovani> huh?
[19:35] <ivoks> ERR: do not understand
[19:35] <giovani> frojnd: the "bittorrent" package is provided in the ubuntu repositories, no searching required
[19:36] <giovani> `sudo apt-get install bittorrent` will do it
[19:37] <ivoks> lamont: we should also put 'ntp' as a dependecy for dovecot-postfix for next release
[19:37] <ivoks> since dovecot doesn't like ntpdate :)
[19:38] <lamont> ivoks: everything likes ntpdate.  just only once at boot, kthx.
[19:38] <ivoks> :)
[19:38] <lamont> how does dovecot "doesn't like" it?
[19:38] <ivoks> cause it shifts clock
[19:39] <ivoks> and it time is shifted backwards, dovecot does a suicide
[19:39] <lamont> well, yeah, does it then scream about things that are older than older things?
[19:39] <lamont> \o/
[19:39] <lamont> sounds like a dovecot bug
[19:39] <lamont> :-p
[19:39] <ivoks> well, it's a feature
[19:39] <lamont> and yeah, we should depend on ntp
[19:39] <lamont> rather, dovecot could solve the bug by depending on ntp
[19:40] <ivoks> it writes 'Time shifted backward, I'm going to kill my self now'
[19:40] <ivoks> and dies
[19:40] <ivoks> http://wiki.dovecot.org/TimeMovedBackwards
[19:42] <lamont> yeah - the package clearly depends on ntp (since we can't encode "ntp || !ntpdate" in Depends)
[19:42] <giovani> what do you mean dovecot should depend on ntp? how does dovecot control the ubuntu package?
[19:42] <ivoks> we are talking about dovecot-postfix package
[19:43] <giovani> ohh, I see
[19:43] <ivoks> or dovecot-common package
[19:43] <ivoks> whatever, the point is that package depends on another pacage
[19:43] <ivoks> ntp-server
[19:43] <lamont> ivoks: well.. if the dovecot package is FAIL on a machine with ntpdate and not ntp, then it depends as above...  but yeah, fixing it in dovecot-postfix is prolly less politically turbulent
[19:44] <lamont> ntp-server only (currently) exists in dapper
[19:44] <lamont> ntp is the true name
[19:44] <ivoks> well, ntp
[19:44] <lamont> :-D
[19:45] <lamont> wow.  and it's completely gone from debian
[19:45] <lamont> which is to say that dapper is older than oldstable.  how very, um, painfully strange
[19:46] <ivoks> hehe
[19:46]  * lamont goes to ponder the weirdness inherent in that for a while
[19:47] <ivoks> is that a first supported distribution with packages older than debian oldstable?
[19:47] <ivoks> :)
[19:48] <ivoks> i still have one 6.06 server
[19:51] <ivoks> cjwatson: would it be impossible to change task in ubuntu-server now? if yes, then i won't even bother chasing that goal :/
[19:51] <vexic> has anyone here used talk or talkd before?
[19:53] <MTecknology> great - no pidgin account will connectright now..
[19:54] <MTecknology> how is it that not a single account is connecting....
[20:03] <MTecknology> ok... I installed my certificate for apache and it worked fine, but courier/postfix aren't working right and I think it's because I need an intermediate bundle for them too. How do I set the intermediate crt file for them?
[20:08] <lamont> ivoks: I expect he's holiday today, prolly monday too
[20:08] <lamont> ivoks: but -release might be able to answer that
[20:08] <ivoks> right
[20:09] <lamont> you ask, I'll chime in...
[20:12] <ivoks> wrong approach or nobody is in there :)
[20:51] <tubuntu> Hello is there someone that can help me with a problem conecting an xp pc to my ubuntu server?
[21:15] <MTecknology> GR! I can't figure out how to make courier or smtp use an intermediate crt bundle
[21:19] <MTecknology> cemc: ok - so when I create a .pem with the intermediate bundle, does it matter what order I put things in?
[21:20] <acicula> did you whip perl into submission yet?
[21:21] <MTecknology> nope - more worried about certs atm
[21:21] <MTecknology> I have apache working fine with it - but that's it
[21:22] <acicula> i'm not much help with that, all my server does is forward some local mail
[21:24] <MTecknology> great - apparently I can't sent through my smtp
[21:29] <MTecknology> hrm - smtp is throwing an authentication error too
[21:29] <MTecknology> this is very very very annoying
[21:30] <MTecknology> Apr 10 15:29:32 vindico postfix/smtpd[22433]: warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory
[21:31] <giovani> well pastebin your SASL config
[21:34] <MTecknology> giovani: I don't recall doing any configuration to sasl
[21:34] <giovani> heh
[21:34] <giovani> well it wouldn't do SASL unless you configured it to do so
[21:34] <giovani> paste your main.cf then
[21:34] <giovani> in a pastebin
[21:36] <MTecknology> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148580/
[21:37] <MTecknology> master.cf - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/148581/
[21:37] <giovani> permit_sasl_authenticated
[21:37] <giovani> why do you have SO many smtpd_recipient_restrictions?
[21:37] <giovani> jesus ... there are dozens
[21:38] <giovani> and there are duplicated lines
[21:38] <giovani> fix that
[21:38] <MTecknology> duplicate lines explained by a very late night :P - 5am
[21:39] <giovani> uh, ok?
[21:39] <giovani> well clearly you're including sasl there
[21:39] <giovani> why, I'm not sure
[21:39] <giovani> did you just paste those lines from a howto?
[21:40] <MTecknology> a couple of them
[21:40] <giovani> sigh
[21:40] <giovani> that's never a good idea
[21:41] <MTecknology> I was in a rush to redo my mail server
[21:41] <MTecknology> I was using zimbra prior
[21:41] <giovani> yep, understood -- but this just creates problems that now have to be sorted out
[21:41] <giovani> postfix is a 10 minute config normally
[21:41] <PhotoJim> yeah, postfix is a pretty easy mta to configure.
[21:43] <MTecknology> sasl all gone
[21:44] <MTecknology> now it's saying authentication not enabled
[21:46] <MTecknology> giovani: so should I purge and try it again?
[21:46] <MTecknology> I do want to keep using mysql for authentication - but that's the only part i'm very concerned about - that and security
[21:59] <MTecknology> giovani: so i wiped the config clean
[22:02] <MTecknology> giovani: can you please help me get this working right :)
[22:05] <cjwatson> MTecknology: regarding your query yesterday, we'll support ext4 defrag only once the relevant code is actually integrated into e2fsprogs upstream
[22:05] <cjwatson> MTecknology: we have a little too much respect for our users' data to ship something that's still just floating around as miscellaneous patches :)
[22:07] <MTecknology> cjwatson: ya - I was mostly curious if anyone knew if there was an estimated time for it - I didn't realize it was that unstable
[22:12] <giovani> MTecknology: it's not "unstable" it's just not heavily tested
[22:12] <MTecknology> oh
[22:14] <cjwatson> I have no information on its stability; I just know that shipping code that edits ext* filesystems and isn't yet part of e2fsprogs is optimistic
[22:14] <cjwatson> I don't know anything about estimated times - that's a matter for Ted Ts'o et al, I think
[22:18] <MTecknology> -_- I want postfix/courier working so I can get homework done... grr
[22:19] <giovani> courier ... eww
[22:19] <giovani> dovecot's nice :)
[22:20] <MTecknology> postfix is what I care about right now
[22:20] <giovani> except that you care about courier, it seems
[22:20] <MTecknology> hm?
 -_- I want postfix/courier working so I can get homework done... grr
[22:21] <mynous> i have a server with 2 hard drives. the second hdd seems to be completely formatted as swap. is there anyway to change this without reinstalling?
[22:21] <MTecknology> ya - but right now I have no way to receive email
[22:21] <giovani> mynous: sure, how would you like to have it configured?
[22:22] <MTecknology> I wiped stuff clean for postfix, added the mysql stuff back, and now it's now working
[22:23] <mynous> giovani: well id like to just use it as i guess the equivalent of one big hard drive
[22:23] <giovani> mynous: I don't know what you mean by that
[22:23] <giovani> it has to be mounted somewhere on your filesystem
[22:24] <giovani> how about you run `sudo fdisk -l` and then paste the output of that in http://www.pastebin.ca/
[22:24] <mynous> yes, is it possible to have /home write to it if /dev/sda1 /home gets full?
[22:24] <giovani> mynous: no
[22:24] <mynous> figured
[22:24] <giovani> that's what RAID or LVM is for
[22:24] <mynous> thats raid and not setup
[22:24] <mynous> yeah
[22:26] <mynous> giovani : this is what fdisk -l returns http://www.pastebin.ca/1388351
[22:26] <giovani> mynous: ok ... well your problem description was incorrect
[22:26] <mynous> is it that the second is just not formatted?
[22:27] <giovani> that's what it says right there, yes
[22:27] <mynous> does it not contain the /swap?
[22:27] <giovani> no, it doesn't
[22:27] <mynous> hmm
[22:27] <giovani> you can see that your swap partition is on your first drive
[22:27] <giovani> #
[22:27] <giovani> /dev/sda1   *         524       38913   308367675   83  Linux
[22:27] <giovani> #
[22:27] <giovani> /dev/sda2               1<PHONE_NUMBER>   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[22:27] <giovani> damn pastebin ... with its #s
[22:28] <mynous> well now i think i feel dumb
[22:28] <giovani> your first drive has a / partition (I presume), and a swap partition
[22:28] <giovani> it's a basic, and standard setup
[22:28] <mynous> yeah
[22:28] <giovani> you're welcome to partition your second drive and use it for something
[22:28] <mynous> i was mistaking /dev/sda1 for sdB1
[22:28] <mynous> or 2 rather
[22:43] <MTecknology> great - now it seems like postfix isn't logging anything for me
[22:44] <LonelyGirl545454> Hello.    Hit me up.
[22:45] <MTecknology> this is almost making me consider going back to 8.04 and putting zimbra back on
[22:48] <LonelyGirl545454> whys that MT?
[22:49] <MTecknology> LonelyGirl545454: fighting to make everything work is driving me insane
[22:49] <LonelyGirl545454> =/ Ack.  I no the pain.
[22:59] <MTecknology> #postfix isn't any help either
[23:20] <cemc> MTecknology: /var/log/mail.* ?
[23:23] <MTecknology> cemc: I was looking there and nothing was shoing up
[23:24] <cemc> MTecknology: is syslog running? ps ax |grep syslog
[23:25] <cemc> is postfix running? like netstat -nlp |grep postfix
[23:26] <MTecknology> ya, it's running
[23:26] <MTecknology> log is too


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[18:04] <ADDY_> Hi
[18:49] <elfy> balloons: joined :)
[18:49] <balloons> :-)
[18:51] <elfy> balloons: so where does the link for me to join the hangout show up?
[18:53] <balloons> elfy, just sent it
[18:53] <elfy> ta
[18:56] <balloons> I've just updated the page
[19:02] <belkinsa> I see.
[19:02] <belkinsa> I see you*!
[19:02]  * balloons waves
[19:03] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[19:04] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases
[19:04] <belkinsa> Would a screencast work better for this?
[19:04] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/316/builds/67147/testcases/1557/results
[19:04] <balloons> belkinsa, yes we'll be screencasting in a moment :-)
[19:05] <belkinsa> Alright
[19:17] <belkinsa> I think I'm the only one watching.
[19:17] <elfy> :)
[19:18] <belkinsa> Are you guys getting just one viewer?
[19:19] <elfy> belkinsa: wouldn't even know where to look tbh
[19:19] <belkinsa> elfy, duh, you are not running the Hangout, balloons is.
[19:20] <belkinsa> There two others now
[19:20] <elfy> I don't do hangouts unless pushed so it's not something I'd know about
[19:20] <dkessel_> i am listening but not watching all the time
[19:22] <belkinsa> I think the on air site doesn't count viewers like the YouTube page does.
[19:24] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:26] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_off-line
[19:28] <elfy> that's a slow connection balloons :)
[19:29] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Can testcases and exploratory testing work on Ubuntu Touch?
[19:32] <balloons> http://ubuntuonair.com/
[19:35] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting
[19:35] <belkinsa> That would rock, if you did show it for Touch,.  ;)
[19:36] <elfy> elfy is elfy everywhere ;)
[19:36] <belkinsa> Thanks for this, you rock you two!
[19:36] <elfy> thanks belkinsa :)
[19:38] <belkinsa> Maybe do a Hangout for Autopolit testing too?
[19:38] <balloons> belkinsa, next tuesday we'll do the same thing, but talking about writing testcases
[19:38] <balloons> both automated and manual
[19:38] <elfy> belkinsa: I think that'll get touched next week
[19:38] <belkinsa> Cool.
[19:38] <elfy> not by me though ;)
[19:39] <balloons> elfy will cover manual testcases.. belkinsa if you know or want to learn some python, we'd be happy to have you on the AP stuff :-)
[19:39] <balloons> but the manual tests just require you to read and write english.. great for getting started
[19:39] <belkinsa> I will think about it.
[19:39] <elfy> no coding needed - even I could do that :p
[19:40] <balloons> elfy, hah
[19:40] <balloons> thanks everyone!
[19:40] <elfy> cheers
[19:41] <balloons> remember, if you missed us, you can view the session on youtube later.. I'll pass around the link
[19:45] <dkessel_> bb got to go


[01:06]  * utlemming is away: Gone away for now
[02:22]  * utlemming is back.
[03:01]  * utlemming is away: Gone away for now
[05:20]  * utlemming is back.
[05:51]  * utlemming is away: Gone away for now
[08:51] <fahri> hello...
[17:13]  * utlemming is back.
[20:33] <vladmaniac> hi guys
[20:35] <vladmaniac> my name's vlad - and i want to contribute to ubuntu qa
[20:42] <vladmaniac> can anyone help?
[20:43] <astraljava> vladmaniac: I'm not an expert, but seeing that it might be quite slow here at this time, I suggest you have a look at the things mentioned in the /topic.
[20:47] <vladmaniac> astraljava i'll take a look
[20:47] <vladmaniac> more, i can help with automation
[20:48] <vladmaniac> currently i work automation lead engineer for mozilla and as a automation ninja in my spare time
[20:48] <vladmaniac> :)
[20:48] <vladmaniac> so i'm an open source lover, in 2 words to introduce myself to the qa community
[20:53] <hggdh> vladmaniac: all help is welcome; indeed, reading the links on the topic will help you get situated, then just ask any questions you have
[20:53] <hggdh> vladmaniac: answers may be slow coming in, since this is Saturday (at least for me)


[13:36] <rogpeppe> jam: i just created a couple of PRs you might be interested in - something I've been wanting to do for years: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8304 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8305


[14:46] <cmaloney> Morning
[15:00] <brousch> yes
[15:53] <rick_h_> wheeee
[15:54] <brousch> rick_h_: Sledding?
[15:54] <rick_h_> woodworking
[15:54] <rick_h_> take a quick break
[15:54] <rick_h_> ah the smell of wood shavings in the morning ;)
[15:55] <brousch> Why do you take so many steroids?
[15:55] <rick_h_> it's the only way to get sickness past my asthma
[15:55] <rick_h_> it seemms :(
[15:55] <rick_h_> otherwise I end up trying to force my lungs out through my mouth
[15:56] <brousch> Sounds painful
[15:56] <rick_h_> well, the starts in my eyes can be pretty
[16:32] <greg-g> heh
[16:57] <cmaloney> Ouch
[17:14] <cmaloney> MUG memberships are expiring. :)
[17:15] <greg-g> do another fundride in the LoCo ;)
[17:15] <greg-g> funddrive
[17:15] <greg-g> oh a fun-ride, whatever ;)
[17:15] <cmaloney> heh
[17:15] <rick_h_> heh, love the contentless email :)
[17:16] <rick_h_> but yea, I need to get on that don't I
[17:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: https://plus.google.com/116120911388966791792/posts/ZUCgu6BLhUW
[17:19] <greg-g> rick_h_: those are pretty little curls :)
[17:20] <rick_h_> :) so purdy
[17:24] <rick_h_> cmaloney: you ever look at salt or ansible?
[17:42] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Not closely
[17:42] <cmaloney> I think John was looking at them a little.
[17:43] <cmaloney> rick_h_: content-less email?
[17:48] <rick_h_> cmaloney: the expire email had no body
[17:48] <rick_h_> only a subject line
[17:48] <cmaloney> Really?
[17:48] <cmaloney> Would you forward it to me?
[17:50] <rick_h_> cmaloney: forwarded
[17:50] <cmaloney> tx
[17:51] <greg-g> not just no non-html body?
[17:52] <cmaloney> Well, that's some shit.
[17:53] <rick_h_> no body period
[17:53] <rick_h_> no html version
[17:53] <greg-g> awesome
[17:54] <greg-g> what campaign email software ya'll using?
[17:54] <cmaloney> CiviCRM
[17:54] <cmaloney> I used just the plain-text area.
[17:55] <greg-g> huh
[17:55] <cmaloney> So I'm a little disturbed that you got nothing.
[17:56] <cmaloney> Sent a note to discuss to see if anyone else got something similar.
[18:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: cool, I mean the subject got the point across :)
[18:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, but there's also handy links and shit in there that should help with the renewal process.
[18:32] <greg-g> TIL: put all of the email in the subject so you know your recipient sees it
[18:32] <cmaloney> greg-g: Sage advice
[18:33] <greg-g> :)
[18:33] <waf> cmaloney: yeah, same thing here. subject, no body.
[18:33] <cmaloney> waf: Wow. WTF.
[18:33] <waf> i actually had to go into my deleted email to find it, since I just read the subject, then renewed my membership :)
[18:33] <waf> had no idea it was body-less
[18:34] <greg-g> waf: hah, well done sir
[18:36] <cmaloney> waf: Gmail?
[18:36] <waf> yes
[18:36] <cmaloney> Ah hah
[18:36] <cmaloney> I think I know what the problem is
[18:43] <cmaloney> I really, really hate the stupid editor they use ini CiviCRM
[18:43] <cmaloney> I can't edit the source.
[18:43] <cmaloney> because it comes back blank.
[19:01] <cmaloney> OK, I think I have this licked.
[19:06] <cmaloney> I did an update to the latest CiviCRM. I'm hoping this licks it.
[19:06] <cmaloney> Unfortunately I can't directly test it.
[19:06] <greg-g> mmmm, tasty
[19:46] <Havenstance> what's up guys?
[19:53] <jrwren_> http://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday/2014/pre-1976
[19:55] <Havenstance> interesting
[19:56] <Havenstance> anyone in here up in the Cadillac Area? just curious if there are any LUG's in this area or not
[20:18] <waf> hm, i don't know of any
[20:19] <waf> brousch (who isn't here right now) is from GR, he might know of events in western MI
[20:19] <waf> i'm sure he'll turn up at some point
[20:19] <Havenstance> alright, well biggest thing is I'm trying to install ubuntu 13.10 on my main gamer rig. I've managed to have it working a few times
[20:20] <Havenstance> but then I get these random lock ups that seem to be related to nothing at all
[20:20] <Havenstance> I've searched online every place I can find no one can offer an explanation or any help
[20:21] <Havenstance> I did manage to get Mint 16 running too but for some reason when I try to install POL on them it complains about a 32bits issue I played WoW on 13.10 till this morning when Ubuntu Updated and now its back to the same old freezing randomly
[20:21] <waf> hm, maybe see if there are any suspicious error messages in the system logs? like in one of these files: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles#System_Logs
[20:22] <waf> or in one the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file
[20:22] <Havenstance> see that's the problem, i power it on
[20:22] <Havenstance> it boots into 13.10 finishes loading unity and locks up
[20:23] <Havenstance> no response from anything tried unplugging the peripherals and pluggig them back in and nothing
[20:23] <Havenstance> I had to actually install Cinnamon last night which made it work for a while but now after that update it dont work at all
[20:23] <waf> ah, ok
[20:23] <waf> hm, i don't use unity, but doesn't it have a 2D mode that you can select from the login screen? that could work
[20:25] <Havenstance> I tried, Ubuntu 13.10, Fedora 20, Mint 16 all do this same thing when using Gnome. so idk if maybe its Gnome related? If i run Cinnamon in either 13.10 or Mint 16 I have no issues until Cinnamon tries to update
[20:25] <waf> or, if you're comfortable with the command line, you could boot into (recovery mode) from GRUB
[20:25] <Havenstance> im about as comforatable as a new user can get with command line but at this point im in too deep to go back to windows man
[20:27] <Havenstance> im down to just the SSD & the graphics cards
[20:27] <waf> so all those distros you mentioned lock up before you can log in and check the error logs?
[20:27] <Havenstance> yes, anything that's the latest version
[20:28] <Havenstance> i believe the Ubuntu LTS ran okay the only issue I had was trying to get the latest software installed
[20:28] <Havenstance> im going to flip back to i believe its 12.04 & i'll report back in a few with what i've found
[20:28] <waf> ugh, good luck
[20:30] <Havenstance> now I have all the ISOs I've downloaded so far on this PC but one thing that's been the same acros all distros that have had errors has been the program i've used to create the medium
[20:30] <Havenstance> Universal USB Installer
[20:31] <Havenstance> selecting the corresponding OS and finding the ISO, I wonder if the Program used to create the flash media may be corrupting a small portion not detected by the installers?
[20:32] <cmaloney> Just moved over most of my repos from SF.net to Github.
[20:33] <waf> Havenstance: that seems kind of unlikely, but if you want to eliminate that as a variable, you could try http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[20:33] <waf> also, i think most distros allow you to verify the image before you install
[20:33] <cmaloney> MOst of them do
[20:34] <cmaloney> Also you might want to check with different USB keys / SD cards
[20:34] <cmaloney> I've had some that aren't as good for ISO installs as others.
[20:34] <Havenstance> I just rebooted the desktop, turned it on it booted 13.10 i was going to log out to try the 2d, and it locked up before I could confirm the logout. I'm looking at the screen that says Logout Goodby are you sure you want to log out from your account, gives a pad lock option or the logout option.
[20:35] <Havenstance> and its frozen to the point no kb commands work, no mouse commands work. all that works is shut it off and turn it back on
[20:36] <cmaloney> Havenstance: One thing you might want to try...
[20:36] <cmaloney> it's a long-shot but might help narrow down some of the problems.
[20:36] <cmaloney> I've had bad memory do strange things to my machine in the past.
[20:36] <Havenstance> suggesting take a stick or two out?
[20:37] <cmaloney> If you hold down shift while rebooting you'll get to a prompt that'll offer you memtest86+
[20:37] <Havenstance> I have two 8g sticks of brand new Gkill Ripjaws
[20:37] <cmaloney> you can leave that running for a while.
[20:37] <cmaloney> It'll test the memory and show you if there are any problems.
[20:37] <Havenstance> i have it running now, cant hurt to start it while i figure this out
[20:38] <cmaloney> yeah
[20:38] <Havenstance> heh, if it were ram that would make me happy to be honest
[20:39] <cmaloney> I know the feeling
[20:39] <Havenstance> that's an easy fix. simple newegg rma
[20:39] <cmaloney> having a name for the problem = A+
[20:39] <Havenstance> right lol
[20:39] <Havenstance> like i told waf there, im too deep into this now to go back
[20:39] <Havenstance> Windows wasn't much better to be honest
[20:41] <Havenstance> it wouldn't lock up but when i'd game on it i'd be running at a beautiful 25fps max...
[20:41] <Havenstance> which is stupid considering that board is a quad amd zambezi, the GPUs are a 660ti and a 650ti 16gb of ram
[20:42] <Havenstance> just a few months ago it'd get 150fps or better in any game
[20:42] <cmaloney> strange.
[20:43] <Havenstance> I thought at one point the 650ti was bad, so i bought the 660ti brand new and put it in and it does the same thing. now im at either board or RAM so far RAM passes memtest but it's only been running for a little while now
[20:47] <Havenstance> wait a minute, isnt there a new proprietary graphics driver in 13.10 that wasn't in 12.04 lts?
[20:47] <cmaloney> Not sure. I haven't kept up honestly
[20:56] <Havenstance> im going to try the 14.04 daily build and see if its at least stable enough to run with. Not that i'd consider ever using a pre release build for more then testing but i'll report back once i install it
[20:57] <Havenstance> 50% into memtest with no errors. users are reporting the same symptoms i'm having being related to the nvidia noveau driver. I thought i'd read something somewhere, now I just have to figure out how to get rid of Noveau and force the system to run Nvidia's own driver from their website
[20:58] <Havenstance> cant you boot into a command line similar like how windows 95 used to say reboot to command line
[20:59] <waf> Havenstance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[21:00] <greg-g> cmaloney: hah, a new years resolution post that uses the word treadmill but doesn't mention exercise of any sort ;)
[21:01] <Havenstance> waf thank you, might be onto something here
[21:17] <Havenstance> well that method failed, tried to install 14.04lts
[21:17] <Havenstance> not happening
[21:20] <Havenstance> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ directed there from a dev when reading a ticket submitted by user with exact hardware config i have having same exact issue....
[21:20] <Havenstance> its a noveau issue with 13.10 so at least I know what's causing it. now to get it to stay booted long enough for me to fix it that's the next thing
[21:43] <waf> so what failed when you tried to boot into recovery mode?
[21:43] <Havenstance> nothing failed, i just didn't have the name i needed to uninstall all the packages.
[21:44] <Havenstance> interestingly enough though, the daily of 14.04 lts wouldn't even format the drive
[21:45] <Havenstance> kept saying it was having an error, so i just got back went up to the shop and grabbed a 500gb sata. gonna throw 13.10 on that and see if the freezing remains. if not i think its safe to say the SSD is shot
[21:46] <Havenstance> I don't think that
[21:47] <Havenstance> that would be far off from possible considering the fact even windows was getting decreasing performance from that SSD
[21:55] <Havenstance> its running a whole bunch of post installation scripts it never ran with the SSD now
[22:01] <Havenstance> its actually running was able to log out and back in, i gotta go do a few things so gonna leave it alone for a bit & see if I can come back to it and have it not be frozen


[20:21] <luke-jr> I downloaded FSL_UBUNTU_092009, but am having difficult mounting it
[20:21] <luke-jr> it is ext3, right?


  Hello, nice to meet you
[01:06] <stbuurto> I did not realize that I added an extra u in my I'd usually Stburto
[01:07] <stbuurto> And it is nice to meet you as well.
[01:07] <MarkDude> Np, I want to say hello to new folks and such
[01:08] <stbuurto> I am new to all of this ubuntu stuff so appreciate all the kindly advice you van give
[01:09] <MarkDude> Sure, what interests you?
[01:09] <MarkDude> Or do you think sounds interesting
[01:10] <stbuurto> I am trying setup ubuntu server and got great advice at the ubuntu hour
[01:12] <stbuurto> Drew asked me to help out on hosting the PA ubuntu hour
[01:17] <stburto> I am getting Coloquy setup on my different platforms.
[01:21] <MarkDude> What sort of machine are you putting it on?
[01:21] <sn9> colloquy is an irc client for mac os x
[01:21] <sn9> and iphone
[01:22] <stburto> Thats what I am using on both platforms
[01:23] <stburto> Just learning how to use it.
[01:23] <stburto> I am a disbled/retired geek from a different era
[01:24] <stburto> I started with the command line and now I am back to it.
[01:25] <sn9> heh
[01:27] <stburto> Has anyone on the forum rooted a Nook before?
[01:27] <wjimenez5271> Hi everyone, just wanted to introduce myself real quick
[01:27] <wjimenez5271> I am a systems admin from Mountain View, CA and wanted to check out the CA Ubuntu team
[01:28] <stburto> I got two of them for my birthday and would like to open one of them up to use apps and possibly develop apps as well.
[01:30] <stburto> wj, welcome, what systems do you admin for?
[01:31] <wjimenez5271> linux primarily
[01:31] <wjimenez5271> lots of centos 5
[01:31] <wjimenez5271> but I am adding more ubuntu machines to the mix
[01:31] <wjimenez5271> :-)
[01:31] <sn9> stburto: from what i understand, rooting the nook is pretty straightforward, but i have not examined one
[01:32] <stburto> I lived in MV some time ago. A very nice community. I volunteered at KMVT for a while.
[01:32] <wjimenez5271> Yes, my wife and I are really enjoying it here
[01:33] <stburto> I live in Palo Alto and have volunteered at the Media Center here but not for some time.
[01:34] <wjimenez5271> very cool, Palo Alto is great too
[01:35] <stburto> Are you aware of the ubuntu hour that is scheduled in different locations including the Red Rock coffee shop in MV/
[01:36] <MarkDude> Hello wjimenez5271
[01:36] <MarkDude> And once the weather gets better, we shall have geeknics in full swing, we may have one at the Hacker Dojo in a month or 2
[01:39] <wjimenez5271> thanks MarkDude
[01:39] <wjimenez5271> no I didn't
[01:39] <wjimenez5271> that sounds very interesting
[01:39] <seidos> does anybody have some base code for a bot?
[01:39] <seidos> my bot isn't connecting :(
[01:40] <sn9> supybot seems a popular base, at least on freenode
[01:45] <wjimenez5271> Hey all, I have to run it was nice talking to you
[01:45] <wjimenez5271> take care
[01:48] <MarkDude> later wjimenez5271
[01:48] <MarkDude> Come back again :)
[01:48]  * MarkDude agrees with sn9  supybot has worked better for me
[01:49] <MarkDude> eggdrop stuff not as well
[01:49]  * MarkDude needs to get his GKbot working for #GidgetKitchen again
[01:49] <sn9> some bots are in perl
[01:49] <MarkDude> seidos, what sort of plugins did you want/use?
[01:51] <seidos> MarkDude, not looking for plugins, just want something robust that can connect O_o
[01:51] <seidos> i wonder if i could connect the bot through xchat, heh
[01:51] <seidos> trying to connect the bot i have through a terminal isn't working
[01:56]  * MarkDude has had better luck with Karmic than other ubuntu versions
[01:56] <MarkDude> Youare doin the use terminal to switch to another user routine?
[01:57] <MarkDude> 1/3 of the nicks in the channel are bots- we should ask one of them :D
[01:59] <MarkDude> sorry 1/10
[01:59] <MarkDude> 10% duh
[02:00] <jdeslip> Greetings from Moony Florida everyone
[02:02] <seidos> ah, it looks like i got it working.  it had a sleep command for some reason
[02:03] <seidos> MarkDude, same here.  i am considering trying to upgrade to 10.04, but i don't know, i probably will keep a copy of karmic on a usb stick just in case.  if it fails i'll take it to the noisebridge and/or ubuntu hour
[02:03] <seidos> greetings jdeslip
[02:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[02:04] <grantbow> greetings
[02:06] <seidos> greetings grantbow
[02:07] <grantbow> hi seidos
[02:07] <seidos> i'm at the san francisco zen center
[02:07] <seidos> they have a "hacker school" here that is starting up
[02:07] <seidos> there are 4 of us here
[02:07] <grantbow> url?
[02:09] <sn9> jdeslip: you're in FL?
[02:10] <jdeslip> sn9: ya, visiting my parents
[02:10] <sn9> figures
[02:11] <seidos> grantbow, there's no official url yet.  there's a "live journal page" if you're interested.
[02:13] <grantbow> seidos, civil hackers at http://hscool.livejournal.com meeting at sfzc.org? sounds fun
[02:13] <seidos> grantbow, yeah, it's cool
[02:15] <grantbow> I wonder how many people will be idling straight through the meeting - zen style
[02:16] <seidos> nobody
[02:16] <seidos> though i am trying to be mindful of my breath, zen style
[02:18] <grantbow> I meant of the nicks in the channel how many won't be saying anything
[02:20] <sn9> let's wake a few up
[02:20] <sn9> [Sun 2011-01-02 06:20:48 PM PST] * Users on #ubuntu-us-ca: stburto stbuurto seidos jiboumans jdeslip pleia2 Flannel jledbetter nhaines @ChanServ grantbow mcgrof jussi [reed] paulproteus_ jamalta DarkwingDuck locobot_2 jtatum Eureka czajkowski itnet7 esrrms Yasumoto erichammond coherence YokoZar nUboon2Age MarkDude wjimenez5271 crashsystems1 ubuntulog_ aaditya outofjungle sn9 crashsystems
[02:21] <grantbow> lol
[02:21] <grantbow> that's one way
[02:21] <YokoZar> fffffffffffff
[02:21] <sn9> uu
[02:22] <grantbow> Happy Holidays!
[02:23] <outofjungle> happy new years everyone :)
[02:23] <outofjungle> grantbow, long time no see.. how have you been?
[02:23] <grantbow> pretty good, and you?
[02:25] <grantbow> T - 25 minutes and counting
[02:25] <seidos> grantbow, ohhhh, you're talking about the ca meeting.
[02:27] <outofjungle> i'm doing pretty good too, looking forward to go to work tomorrow ;)
[02:27] <grantbow> haha
[02:36] <grantbow> if I could count...
[02:36] <jdeslip> grantbow: how was your holidays?
[02:37] <grantbow> jdeslip: pretty good, and yours?
[02:38] <jdeslip> grantbow: Pretty good. Still going. I come back to Cali on Wednesday.
[02:46] <MarkDude> emobot? Makes me think of a bot with white powder on its face :)
[02:49] <MarkDude> sn9,  the mass-ping works, but does ChanServ need be included?
[02:50] <rww> Don't want it to feel left out of the pingspam, MarkDude. It might kick us all.
[02:50] <sn9> it's just a paste
[02:50] <pleia2> hehe
[02:52] <MarkDude> Bots ignore their name if it is not the 1st word, good thing Eureka has been warned
[02:52] <grantbow> it's configurable on supybot
[02:52] <grantbow> s/on/with/
[02:59] <jdeslip> almost meeting time...
[03:00]  * pleia2 waves
[03:00] <jdeslip> please stand up if you are here for the meeting
[03:01]  * sn9 sits on a highchair
[03:01] <sn9> waaaaaaaaaa
[03:01] <jdeslip> OK ----- Lets Begin -----
[03:01] <pleia2> I can't be here for long, nasty headache is making looking at my screen quite unpleasant :)
[03:01] <jdeslip> Since pleia2 can't be here long we are going to start with her two agenda items and do announcements at the end
[03:02] <jdeslip> The first topic is scale9x planning
[03:02] <jdeslip> https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/
[03:02] <pleia2> I just added this because I'm going to request the conference pack from canonical this week, and that reminded me that we need to flesh out our wiki page and start seeing who is going
[03:02] <grantbow> cool
[03:02] <jdeslip> We have a basic wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x
[03:02] <pleia2> I bought my scale ticket, will be buying my plane ticket soon (hopefully tomorrow), I know some others are carpooling down
[03:03] <sn9> me! me! me!
[03:03] <jdeslip> If you are planning to come and work at the booth, please add your name there.  Also, we are looking for volunteers to step up and flesh out that page
[03:03] <jdeslip> (I'm hoping to get in on some norcal carpool action)
[03:03] <grantbow> I'm not sure if I can go yet.
[03:04] <pleia2> also, who should we send the conference pack to? I'm flying so I'm clearly not a good choice
[03:04] <pleia2> we can see who down in LA is going, probably send to someoen down there
[03:04] <jdeslip> If you haven't registered you can use the code that eric set up for us to get 50% off UBUCA
[03:04] <erichammond> What is the schedule for setting up the booth?
[03:04] <sn9> only 50?
[03:05] <grantbow> erichammond: thanks!
[03:05] <jdeslip> sn9: do you have a better code?
[03:05] <sn9> no
[03:05] <sn9> but last year the cinf pack included tickets
[03:05] <sn9> *conf
[03:05] <grantbow> well, then...
[03:06] <jdeslip> erichammond: I am not sure about the setup schedule yet
[03:06] <erichammond> I'm trying to figure out how early I would have to show up if I volunteered to bring anything.  I'm not an early morning person.
[03:06] <jdeslip> can anyone from last year tell us what the schedule was like?
[03:07]  * MarkDude will be carpooling down
[03:07] <MarkDude> jdeslip, for the floor?
[03:07] <grantbow> last year's wiki page is quite detailed
[03:07] <MarkDude> Attending the sessions is hard due to so many to choose from
[03:08] <MarkDude> for the floor, it would be much easier this year if people could sort some details around differing sessions
[03:08] <pleia2> ok, sounds like we need to get some questions answered these next few days
[03:08] <grantbow> MarkDude: eric asked about setup
[03:09] <jdeslip> Looks like setup was was 9am on saturday
[03:09] <pleia2> who exactly got our booth, it is confirmed right?
[03:09] <sn9> grantbow: where is he?
[03:09]  * MarkDude talked to Gareth a while ago
[03:09] <MarkDude> meaning months
[03:09] <pleia2> MarkDude: want me to follow up with him?
[03:09] <MarkDude> Yes
[03:09] <pleia2> ok, will do
[03:09] <pleia2> I will add details to the wiki once I confirm
[03:09] <MarkDude> He said we were included - since we were so nice
[03:10] <pleia2> :D
[03:10] <pleia2> so I'll also ask about setup time and everything
[03:10]  * MarkDude will bring Penguin suit
[03:10] <pleia2> yay!
[03:10] <jdeslip> Sounds good
[03:10] <MarkDude> most likely I may be doing other stuff and cant help much
[03:10] <pleia2> no worries
[03:10] <pleia2> next agenda item? we can pick up scale stuff throughout the week
[03:11] <MarkDude> As always i am willing to talk or speak about some sort of crap
[03:11] <MarkDude> :)
[03:11] <pleia2> hehe
[03:11] <jdeslip> Ok, so, again, add your name to the wiki page if you are coming.  And if you have time, flesh out the page....
[03:11] <jdeslip> Moving on.
[03:11] <jdeslip> I think I'll just let pelia2 take this one
[03:11] <jdeslip> err pleia2
[03:11] <pleia2> ok, so next agenda item is the team images sharing options
[03:12] <pleia2> we discussed this on list since our last meeting, and based on responses I came up with this proposal: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-January/001538.html
[03:12] <pleia2> it gives us local, under our control copies, PLUS picasca/flickr which is good for displaying and from a social media angle
[03:13] <pleia2> thoughts?
[03:13] <jdeslip> I like the plan.
[03:14] <erichammond> I don't know that I'm going to be taking many photos for the group, but my preference would be to have my photos be under my control (Flickr, Smugmug, ...) with some sort of sharing with the group similar to how planet republishes blog entries.
[03:14] <erichammond> Not sure if anything like that exists.
[03:14] <jdeslip> Once the pics are dumped somewhere safe and controlled and future proof then flickr/picasa adds a nice social layer
[03:14] <MarkDude> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/Demographics%20Cali%20Team.png
[03:14] <pleia2> unfortunately the problem we've had is people having them under their control on blogs and flickr have a tendancy of disappearing
[03:15] <pleia2> their blog moves, their free number of flickr photos rotate them out of public view...
[03:15] <grantbow> both is better :-)
[03:15]  * MarkDude thinks we should take the media and have it linked so folks can check it from Facebook, etc
[03:15] <jdeslip> You can always have your own picasa/flickr account as well
[03:15] <MarkDude> that pic is from the Cali Facebook insights
[03:15] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:15] <jdeslip> You don't *have* to also contribute the pics to the group pool.  But, you have the option.
[03:16] <pleia2> yeah, I'd say this is the option for people who want to contribute to the group pool
[03:16] <pleia2> erichammond: I'd say for those photos which stay under personal control, you add a link to the event wiki pointing to them
[03:17] <pleia2> jdeslip: does picasca have rss feeds?
[03:17] <jdeslip> pleia2: I *think* so
[03:17] <pleia2> flickr does, we could always run a second planet for photos too, depending on how flexible the feeds are
[03:17] <jdeslip> Yep, it does.
[03:18] <pleia2> cool, we should look into that
[03:18] <jdeslip> That would be pretty cool
[03:18] <pleia2> so have a team flickr/picasca, then maybe see if we can have feeds for individuals who would rather keep them under their own control, add them all the the image planet
[03:19] <pleia2> and I'll configure the upload place on the linode so we can store our local copies, just give me a nudge if you want access
[03:19] <pleia2> so now the question is... flickr or picasca?
[03:19] <pleia2> *picasa
[03:19] <jdeslip> - maybe we can add a message encouraging people to add them to the local directory when they add to flickr/picasa for logevity's sake
[03:20] <pleia2> I don't care either way
[03:20] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah
[03:20] <jdeslip> I don't care a whole lot.  But, I do prefer picasa because I use it already.  (I'm sure others already use flickr)
[03:20] <jdeslip> Also, we did say we were going to make an effort to use Google apps
[03:21] <sn9> doesn't need to be either. just upload the images to the wiki
[03:21] <pleia2> I prefer flickr because I'm familiar with the interface, but picasa is probably fine
[03:21] <jdeslip> aaditya: have an opinion?
[03:21] <pleia2> no google app engine option for this at this time
[03:21] <erichammond> Do either have easy automated upload from Ubuntu?
[03:21] <pleia2> we spoke before I sent out the ideas list
[03:21] <grantbow> I prefer flickr given a choice
[03:21] <sn9> works for 'pedia
[03:21] <erichammond> (command line)
[03:21] <pleia2> erichammond: both can upload easily from fspot
[03:22] <pleia2> there is probably a CLI option anyway, they have APIs
[03:22] <pleia2> s/anyway/too
[03:22] <jdeslip> the google cli stuff lets you upload to picasa
[03:22] <jdeslip> (from command line)
[03:22] <grantbow> sn9: timtowtdi but we are talking about organizing in a central place
[03:22] <sn9> google cli?
[03:22] <erichammond> I looked for cli for Flickr a while back (years?) and didn't find anything.
[03:22] <pleia2> sn9: the ubuntu wiki does not have unlimited space, it's ok to upload a couple photos per event but it's a huge strain on the wiki which is already limping along
[03:23] <jdeslip> (http://code.google.com/p/googlecl/ - it is really sweet in general)
[03:23] <pleia2> they semi-routinely clear out big/unlinked/outdated wiki attachments, so its not a permanent solution anyway
[03:24] <grantbow> good to know
[03:24] <pleia2> grantbow: you know how they are, they probably haven't done it in a year :) but it is a concern to be noted
[03:25]  * grantbow nods
[03:25] <jdeslip> If this is a really just a vote now about picasa-flickr perhaps we should vote on the list.  Or... just vote now officially ;)
[03:25] <jdeslip> (but there aren't too many folks here tonight)
[03:26] <pleia2> maybe just bring it on list, I'd also like to look into erichammond's comment about the possiblity that there isn't a flickr CLI upload option
[03:26] <erichammond> It's not clear to me what Flickr/Picasa would be used for.  If it's for the photo planet, then perhaps multiple services with an RSS feed would fit in.
[03:27] <erichammond> Gotta run. Taking the kids to "Tangled".
[03:27] <grantbow> looks like a cli exists
[03:27] <pleia2> erichammond: loco.ubuntu.com has a display images option that works with flickr or picasca
[03:27] <pleia2> plus it gives us a way to go back and browse past event photos, etc
[03:27] <grantbow> erichammond: have fun!
[03:27] <pleia2> Tangled is great, enjoy!
[03:28] <grantbow> one way to flickr cli: http://lifehacker.com/262311/automatically-upload-a-folders-photos-to-flickr
[03:28] <jdeslip> OK - so we will vote on the list in the next week or so.
[03:28] <pleia2> does picasca have image tags like flickr does?
[03:28] <pleia2> sound good
[03:28] <pleia2> I am going to go take care of my head now :)
[03:29] <jdeslip> ya, it does - name tags
[03:29] <jdeslip> ok, feel better
[03:29] <grantbow> pleia2: take care :-)
[03:29] <BrightAmbition> hi
[03:29] <jdeslip> OK, so those were the only official agenda items.  Does anyone have something to add?  Or should we do the announcements?
[03:30] <MarkDude> Add Facebook to the overall plan
[03:30] <sn9> why?
[03:30] <jdeslip> MarkDude: What do you mean by that?
[03:31]  * MarkDude suggests that is how a big % of the people I deal with interact
[03:31] <grantbow> an important site, but still a walled garden
[03:31] <MarkDude> professional types
[03:31] <MarkDude> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2424094/Demographics%20Cali%20Team.png
[03:31] <MarkDude> That is from the page
[03:32] <MarkDude> Having done this at ZA, we had 1000s of eyeballs seeing what we did
[03:32] <MarkDude> Social media worked well to get some folkks involved
[03:33] <BrightAmbition> Wow
[03:33] <grantbow> it is an important consideration
[03:33] <MarkDude> We should take the pics, however we have them, and allow people to consume them on FB
[03:33] <BrightAmbition> You guys need more chicks there
[03:33] <MarkDude> NOT require ANYONE to go there
[03:33] <jdeslip> Is there a way to link pics from flickr/picasa to the facebook page?
[03:33] <MarkDude> That stat stands out
[03:33] <MarkDude> jdeslip,  yes there is
[03:33] <jdeslip> Then we should do it I think
[03:34] <BrightAmbition> hmm....
[03:34] <jdeslip> Sounds like the best use of the facebook page that I have heard so far :)
[03:35] <jdeslip> Any other comments or items of discussion?
[03:35] <grantbow> MarkDude: is it easy and automatic to link pics from flickr/pacasa to the facebook page?
[03:36] <MarkDude> jdeslip, maybe you can write a disclaimer about FB being a walled garden
[03:36] <jdeslip> grantbow: he said yes above
[03:36] <grantbow> doing it is one thing, easy and automatic are often another
[03:36] <MarkDude> One is easier than the other I believe
[03:36] <grantbow> good enough, thanks
[03:36] <jdeslip> MarkDude: People know what facebook is... If they choose to use it anyway, so be it.  No need to preach against facebook... on facebook.
[03:37]  * MarkDude will find the detail, just wanted to make sure the group was copacetic :D
[03:37] <grantbow> thanks for mentioning this
[03:37] <MarkDude> jdeslip,  that would be for our site - where we have a link
[03:38] <MarkDude> FOSS is great - when we dont do it, we should acknowledge it
[03:38] <jdeslip> That might be reasonable
[03:38] <MarkDude> Not that we are bad, just point out ogg is better than mp3
[03:38] <MarkDude> one sentence or two, keeps us honest IMHO :)
[03:39] <jdeslip> OK, I think when put the link up you can be in on deciding the language
[03:39] <jdeslip> (as well as anyone else that cares)
[03:40] <jdeslip> OK, lets move to announcements
[03:40] <BrightAmbition> Why can't it be more than 1 language?? idk just saying. Maybe not a good thing idk
[03:40] <grantbow> contributions of translations welcomed
[03:41] <sn9> BrightAmbition: you can translate english to california-speak, ok?
[03:41] <jdeslip> BrightAmbition: Language for what?
[03:41] <BrightAmbition> I guess i'm trying to be social but i don't think it's working so i'ma shut up
[03:41] <BrightAmbition> lol
[03:42] <jdeslip> Anyone have any announcements?
[03:42]  * BrightAmbition just nods and waves
[03:42] <jdeslip> We forgot to mention the date of scale9x before: it is Feb 25-27
[03:42] <sn9> good to know
[03:42]  * BrightAmbition is lost & doesn't wanna bother asking what is being talked about
[03:43] <sn9> i will be going several days earlier and leaving several days later, driving down with BrightAmbition and possibly whomever else might tolerate that
[03:43] <BrightAmbition> tolerate what??
[03:43] <BrightAmbition> ??
[03:43] <jdeslip> 11.04 alpha2 is being released Feb 3.  (and banshee should be default then)
[03:44] <sn9> BrightAmbition: being in L.A. several extra days
[03:44] <BrightAmbition> Oh ok
[03:44] <BrightAmbition> Sn9: did you even plan that yet like tickets & stuff??
[03:44] <sn9> (and being around us for the drive down)
[03:44] <grantbow> BrightAmbition: We are doing announcements before we close the formal part of the meeting I think.
[03:44] <BrightAmbition> oh ok
[03:44] <icarus_> banshee is standern in 11.04 huh
[03:44] <jdeslip> Any more announcements?
[03:45] <jdeslip> Ok, this concludes the meeting.  Thanks for coming everyone.  Next meeting is two weeks from today - Jan 19th.
[03:45] <sn9> as for tickets, i think i'll wait until the group conference pack comes in before registering
[03:45] <grantbow> Thanks everyone, thanks jdeslip.
[03:45] <BrightAmbition> sn9: ok
[03:46] <sn9> hmm, my birthday
[03:47] <jdeslip> It will be a special sn9 birthday bash
[03:47] <sn9> can't beat last year
[03:48] <BrightAmbition> Really??
[03:48] <BrightAmbition> We were in the rain
[03:48] <BrightAmbition> That's not a fun bday
[03:48] <BrightAmbition> lol
[03:49] <BrightAmbition> Hopefully your birthday this year will be better sn9
[03:49] <sn9> uhm, this is Sacramento. same rain as here, pretty much
[03:50] <BrightAmbition> Well at least we have a place to go inside to
[03:50] <BrightAmbition> this time that is
[03:50] <BrightAmbition> instead of standing outside
[03:50] <sn9> let's just look forward to L.A.
[03:50] <BrightAmbition> I know i am
[03:50] <BrightAmbition> Haven't been to L.A since like 2001 or 2002
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> wait no
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> I'm wrong
[03:51] <BrightAmbition> 2005
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> But wasn't a good exeperience i think this time in L.A will be better though
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> yikes
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> uber typo
[03:52] <BrightAmbition> oh well i guess you get what i mean sn9
[03:53] <MarkDude> So can we BBQ at Scale?
[03:53]  * MarkDude is going down there freelance again, my original plan was to rep for ZA :)
[03:54] <BrightAmbition> BBQ... yum
[03:56] <sn9> if aaditya goes, yum indeed
[04:02] <BrightAmbition> wb
[04:04] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January30 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited
[04:20] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January02 edited
[05:00] <MarkDude> So is there anyone on this team that is mildly active on social media?
[05:03] <seidos> social media?  like tv?
[05:03] <seidos> IRC is social media...so yes!
[05:12]  * MarkDude was thinking more like Facebook
[05:13] <MarkDude> I know you are there, but you have that Universe to do all robed
[05:13] <MarkDude> You know what I mean :)
[05:14] <MarkDude> seidos, Are you going to CLS?
[05:14] <seidos> yeah, i'm on facebook.  we're friends.
[05:14] <seidos> MarkDude, what is CLS?
[05:14] <MarkDude> http://clswest2011.eventbrite.com/
[05:15] <MarkDude> The coolest things ever
[05:15] <MarkDude> Last year we had ponies
[05:15] <seidos> first time i've heard of it
[05:15] <MarkDude> Well go
[05:16] <seidos> if i had someone to go with, i would consider it.  but i really need to work on my programming.
[05:16] <MarkDude> There are cool people there, I met some great idealists there
[05:16] <MarkDude> Um, most of the people you saw at 7live will be there
[05:17] <MarkDude> -jono  he is in Hungary or some silly place
[05:17] <MarkDude> Gidget Kitchen has like 6 folks going
[05:19] <seidos> i appreciate that, but them going isn't the same as going with me, know what i mean?
[05:19] <seidos> maybe if i can convince a friend to go or something
[05:20] <seidos> hmmm...dinner...
[05:21] <seidos> well, i'll have to think about it.  i don't really need food...i gotta' read this article on Bodhisattva, Arahant, and "Buddhahood"
[05:22] <MarkDude> There will be a Tea ceremony at the dinner at the Bohemian loft
[05:23] <MarkDude> informal style, Mediterranean with casual music, possibly a dragon or two
[05:24] <MarkDude> A couple of the session are offering enlightenment, or your $ back
[05:25] <MarkDude> Its FREE :), go read now
[05:27] <seidos> hey, so is the article i'm reading!  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/arahantsbodhisattvas.html
[05:28] <seidos> i have to make a decision if i want to apply to stay at the Zen Center here or not...
[05:28] <seidos> i'll keep the link up, and read it later.
[05:29] <MarkDude> Cool
[05:31] <seidos> ah, won't finish tonight.
[05:31] <seidos> see ya' soon
[07:53]  * jussi grumbles at sn9
[12:54] <jussi> Im not around in the middle of the night, the highlight was kinda pointless... ;)
[12:54]  * jussi goes back to work
[12:56] <sn9> [Sun 2011-01-02 11:53:44 PM PST] * jussi grumbles at sn9
[12:56] <sn9> [Mon 2011-01-03 04:50:25 AM PST] <sn9> jussi: ?
[12:56] <sn9> that was the point
[12:58]  * sn9 can grumble too
[18:50] <pleia2> nhaines: are you going to scale? I need someone down in socal to send the canonical conference pack to
[18:52] <MarkDude> pleia2, if he is not. I have roughly half a million relatives down there that would be willing to help :D
[18:52] <pleia2> MarkDude: I think we've got enough people near LA that we won't require that, but thanks :)
[18:59] <MarkDude> Ok :)
[18:59] <MarkDude> Did you have a preference on the two Ubuntu logos for the recruitment pic?
[19:02] <pleia2> nope, I'm color-useless
[19:06] <MarkDude> ok
[20:05] <MarkDude> pleia2, grantbow >> Here is GK's proposed page regarding DBAN http://gidgetkitchen.org/wiki/index.php/DBAN
[20:05] <MarkDude> We need a simpler landing page, and then a page that has more details
[20:06] <MarkDude> The split of it will help not overwhelm folks, *and* allow them to get more info if they would like
[20:06] <pleia2> might want to add a link to dban.org
[20:07] <pleia2> and did you say something about this being used by some government agency or something?
[20:08] <MarkDude> oops the intro did not get copypasta properly
[20:08] <pleia2> "Darik's Boot and Nuke" is an unfortunately hackerish name, could be offset by $government_agency_that_gives_it_legitimacy uses this
[20:10] <MarkDude> Good idea
[20:10] <MarkDude> I re-added the link
[22:03] <erichammond> How many of these should I bring to SCALE? http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003ZDNZSI/
[22:10] <pleia2> we've still got about 100 official pressed cds which I'll be bringing down
[22:13] <MarkDude> Yay. co CD hassles :)
[22:15] <pleia2> I don't have a machine which can burn on site, so we'll have to figure out what hardware is coming down too to make sure we can burn cds :)
[22:15]  * MarkDude can offer his Strata machine
[22:15] <MarkDude> It can evewn do dual layer DVD
[22:15] <pleia2> cool
[22:16] <MarkDude> It can be used for at least half of the time
[22:16] <pleia2> can it stay at the table, or will you be running around with it?
[22:17]  * MarkDude will just need it for a session or two
[22:17] <MarkDude> Cali can have it the rest of the time
[22:17] <MarkDude> I may not need it for even those sessions
[22:17]  * MarkDude just requests that we note it as part of the GK mobile FOSS computer lab
[22:18]  * MarkDude is always in PR mode, I apologize :D
[22:18] <MarkDude> I can let the group have a 2nd machine from the lab, so there will be a solid backup option
[22:19] <MarkDude> The Strata has a 512 graphics card, it can make some great eye candy
[22:21] <MarkDude> The 2nd machine will most likely  be  a Dell Inspiron640m - it has a regular DVD burner
[22:21] <MarkDude> I also have a 3rd string HP ugly machine- that can do DVDs, but is covered in stickers
[22:22] <MarkDude> Count on at least 2 machines from GK
[22:23]  * MarkDude may be hired by then, so I can't speak to where I will be busy at Scale yet
[22:24] <MarkDude> And at least one picture op with me in Penguin suit can be arranged
[22:24]  * MarkDude sounded like an ass saying the above sentence
[22:25] <MarkDude> I might as well create a Mark Terranova fan-page on FB and just build a monument to my ego
[22:31] <pleia2> we don't want a *picture* of you in a penguin suit, we want you in a penguin suit ;)
[22:37] <MarkDude> Well yes, and you shall have it
[22:38]  * MarkDude just realized he is now in the pantheon with Tron Guy
[22:39] <MarkDude> Hey check it out, I have a pic with MarkDude in the Suit. I will hang it next to the pic with Tron Guy, and Antoine Dodson
[22:39] <MarkDude> Run and tell that :)
[22:41]  * MarkDude = Ron Burgundy
[22:41] <MarkDude> lol
[23:19] <erichammond> so... Do we want more blank CDs at SCALE?
[23:20] <pleia2> I don't think we have an answer to that just yet, probably should ask some people who have gone in the past for some stats about how many we gave out last year
[23:44]  * MarkDude was banned from the table last year, so I have no details :D
[23:46] <MarkDude> Not really, there were enough folks that I was told I was not really needed