[01:57] <verwilst> this is the first time EVER that a standard install is so amazingly professional-looking
[01:57] <verwilst> great job Riddell and co
[01:58] <verwilst> for years, the first thing i have to do with kde is resize/change the fonts, change the colorscheme, the widgets, ...
[01:58] <verwilst> and it still looks clumsy
[01:58] <verwilst> some fonts are too small, some too large
[01:58] <verwilst> but now...
[01:58] <verwilst> it's like gnome and windows :d
[01:58] <raphink> tonio has done a great work on this
[01:58] <verwilst> fonts are perfect
[01:59] <raphink> on the default look
[01:59] <verwilst> it's really great :)
[01:59] <raphink> fonts, tabs, etc
[01:59] <raphink> and fwwii is still working on the default artwork
[01:59] <verwilst> first time ever that i didn't go straight to kcontrol :d
[01:59] <verwilst> i don't like the kdm splash though :)
[01:59] <verwilst> but hey
[01:59] <verwilst> :p
[02:00] <Hobbsee> verwilst: ugh, no
[02:00] <verwilst> Hobbsee: no? what no?
[02:00] <verwilst> :p
[02:00] <raphink> verwilst: kwwii is doing the artwork from scratch again
[02:00] <raphink> and began about 2 weeks ago
[02:00] <Hobbsee> to the kdm splash
[02:00] <verwilst> oh :d
[02:00] <verwilst> sweet :d
[02:00] <verwilst> great to hear
[02:01] <verwilst> hmmm
[02:01] <verwilst> how i missed my kde :$
[02:01] <verwilst> damned gnome
[02:02] <raphink> :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> i hope there are old versions of wpa supplicant..
[02:24] <crimsun> what's the issue?
[02:24] <crimsun> unfortunately scott and reinhard didn't really preserve any upgrade paths
[02:24] <Hobbsee> the new one wont connect with knetworkmanager
[02:24] <crimsun> what does knetworkmanager do?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> and i upgraded it from tonio_'s repo today
[02:24] <crimsun> rather, how does it hook into wpasupplicant?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> kde equivalent of networkmanager
[02:26] <crimsun> does it use wpa_cli?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure
[02:26] <Hobbsee> you dont ahve to modify the wpa supplicant files with it
[02:26] <Hobbsee> and it's set to being default 0
[02:26] <crimsun> right, my kludgy script is now (thankfully) obsoleted
[02:33] <Hobbsee> right!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> there was a version uploaded to universe, which replaced tonio_'s version
[02:34] <Hobbsee> installed tonio's version, everything works again
[03:17] <mornfall> Riddell: so http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz -- i haven't tested it much, so may be a good idea to test before upload (or ask someone)
[03:17] <mornfall> Riddell: i'll go sleep now... if unsure, wait with upload till i appear
[03:18] <mornfall> good night all
[03:19] <hanover> simon still around?>
[09:11] <mornfall> Riddell: morning
[09:12] <mornfall> anyone willing to test new adept beta?
[09:13] <mornfall> come on, not everyone at once ;-)
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> good morning
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> why not :)
[09:13] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: you can use debuild right? :)
[09:13] <mornfall> (good morning too)
[09:13] <OculusAquilae> right
[09:14] <mornfall> here: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[09:14] <mornfall> it may take a bit to compile :-)
[09:14] <mornfall> thanks :-)
[09:16] <mornfall> i will be specifically happy if you can reproduce the "adept does not start through kdesu" thing... have you ever experienced it?
[09:17] <OculusAquilae> no sorry
[09:17] <mornfall> interesting :)
[09:17] <mornfall> at least it is not too widespread in that case (it didn't happen to me either :)
[09:17] <OculusAquilae> :)
[09:24] <freeflying> anyone wanna test qt-3.3.6
[09:25] <freeflying> http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/freeflying/
[09:25] <mornfall> hola freeflying
[09:26] <freeflying> mornfall: hi
[09:26] <mornfall> i haven't reproduced the scim thing :|
[09:28] <freeflying> mornfall: set locales to en_US , start SCIM
[09:29] <freeflying> mornfall: it's hang up at filtering
[09:29] <mornfall> for now skim refuses to start
[09:30] <mornfall> but let's try
[09:30] <freeflying> mornfall: you can try with scim
[09:31] <mornfall> skim is now running (but debian version, kubuntu one does not start over remote X)
[09:32] <mornfall> hmm, still works
[09:32] <mornfall> let me try installing some input method
[09:32] <mornfall> or maybe scim
[09:32] <freeflying> you are using sid ?
[09:32] <mornfall> yes
[09:33] <freeflying> seems I'd test on a sid box , hmh
[09:33] <mornfall> improvement -- skim does not segfault right away
[09:34] <mornfall> but it still filters just fine
[09:34] <freeflying> mornfall: has patches for qt
[09:37] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: compiles well, but is it known that adept_installer scales so strange
[09:37] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: hmm, does it?
[09:38] <OculusAquilae> it scales the buttons but not the rest
[09:40] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/adept_installer.png
[09:40] <mornfall> ooooh
[09:41] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: no that's not known :)
[09:41] <OculusAquilae> same for adept_updater
[09:41] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: was about to say that :)
[09:42] <mornfall> lame, scim so does not work for me
[09:44] <OculusAquilae> mornfall: should adept_batch compile?
[09:45] <mornfall> OculusAquilae: oh damn, yes it should -- i knew i would leave lots of stupid bugs in -- thanks :)
[09:45] <OculusAquilae> :)
[09:49] <mornfall> okey, both issues should be fixed
[09:49] <OculusAquilae> nice
[09:53] <mornfall> updated the source package
[10:06] <seaLne> hung during dist-upgrade and wouldn't boot after that
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink!
[10:32] <raphink> hi mornfall
[10:32] <raphink> :)
[10:33] <raphink> how are you?
[10:34] <mornfall> fairly fine
[10:34] <mornfall> a bit underslept
[10:34] <mornfall> was hunting bugs till 3:30am
[10:34] <raphink> hehe
[10:34] <raphink> just woke up too
[10:34] <mornfall> hey i'm up for an hour now ;-)
[10:34] <raphink> hehe
[10:48] <seaLne> w00t fixed dist-upgrade distruction and now i have dual head working (never worked with these cards in breezy)
[10:58] <Tonio_> hello girls ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:30] <raphink> Tonio_: toi-mme :p
[11:30] <raphink> lol
[11:31] <raphink> how are you doing Tonio_?
[11:32] <Tonio_> raphink: fine ;)
[11:32] <raphink> good :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> packaging new knetworkmanager and submitting to revu in the first place
[11:32] <raphink> great :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> then we'll have to discuss what to do with wlassistant
[11:32] <Tonio_> and knetworkmanager ;)
[11:32] <raphink> ok
[11:32] <Tonio_> I think chances are better for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager
[11:32] <raphink> I'm implementing support for yet another XML standard in Quanta ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> and knetworkmanager in main, as nm-applet, but not installed by default
[11:33] <raphink> ok
[11:33] <raphink> yes
[11:33] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> let's go ;)
[11:33] <raphink> just as for kpowersave I guess
[11:34] <raphink> raah les bourins qui ont fait le support docbook dans quanta
[11:34] <raphink> lol
[11:42] <Tonio_> raphink: si j'ai des sources qui sont aps un tarball
[11:43] <raphink> cd?
[11:43] <raphink> du svn par exemple?
[11:43] <Tonio_> tu me conseilles de faire un make -f Makefile.cvs avant de faire le tarball
[11:43] <Tonio_> ou dans le build process ?
[11:43] <Tonio_> voila
[11:43] <raphink> hmmm
[11:43] <Tonio_> c mme pas du svn
[11:43] <raphink> avant
[11:43] <Tonio_> je pense aussi ;)
[11:43] <Tonio_> bon bah c bon :)
[11:43] <raphink> tu fais un truc propre
[11:43] <raphink> tu te fais un orig avec
[11:43] <Tonio_> vivi, bah c'est le cas :)
[11:43] <raphink> et ensuite tu package
[11:43] <raphink> et tu mets dans le changelog que tu as clean la source
[11:43] <Tonio_> le orig la il est extrait depuis les sources du packet rpm de chez suse
[11:44] <raphink> argh :s
[11:44] <Tonio_> c degueu, donc autant le refaire propre
[11:44] <raphink> clair
[11:44] <raphink> ok
[11:44] <Tonio_> y a pas de svn pour knetworkmanager pour le moment
[11:44] <raphink> ok
[11:44] <raphink> c'est mieux que rien
[11:44] <Tonio_> vi
[11:45] <Tonio_> bon bah ca a l'air de builder ;)
[11:46] <raphink> oki :)
[11:51] <Lathiat> in konqueror
[11:51] <Lathiat> 'focus searchbar' -> ctrl+s
[11:51] <Lathiat> but that doesnt work for me
[11:51] <Lathiat> can anynone confirm?
[11:51] <Lathiat> interestingly if i set it myself
[11:51] <Lathiat> and change it bac to default
[11:51] <Lathiat> it works
[11:54] <Tonio_> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2167
[11:54] <Tonio_> reviewers needed
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_:
[12:22] <Hobbsee> and Lure, i think
[12:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: helloooooooooo
[12:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:22] <Hobbsee> you run the kubuntu.no-ip.org repo?
[12:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes, it is my personnal repo
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: a FYI - the universe wpasupplicant is overwriting your version, and the universe version does not work with knetworkmanager at all
[12:26] <Tonio_> for tests only
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I know
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yes, of course
[12:26] <Tonio_> that's a problem
[12:26] <Hobbsee> oh ok, i dindt know if you did :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> bump your version?
[12:26] <Tonio_> does the universe one work with networkmanager also ?
[12:26] <Tonio_> I assume no
[12:26] <Hobbsee> dont know, i dont run gnome
[12:26] <Tonio_> that's why wpasupplicant as to go in main
[12:26] <Hobbsee> want me to ask?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: plz yes ;)
[12:27] <Tonio_> but I think wpasupplicant in main is actually discussed
[12:27] <Tonio_> because it is needed for networkmanager to work
[12:27] <Tonio_> not to compile of course
[12:27] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:28] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager itself doesn't use wpasupplicant
[12:28] <Tonio_> networkmanager does
[12:28] <Tonio_> knetworkmanager is just a frontend
[12:28] <Hobbsee> ah...yes...and networkmanager is different from network-manager-gnome
[12:28] <Tonio_> yes
[12:28] <Tonio_> networkmanager-gnome is just a frontend also
[12:28] <Hobbsee> gotcha.  brain is kinda dead from work
[12:28] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:28] <Tonio_> network-manager is the base
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yep, thougth so
[12:29] <Hobbsee> and did you make some nice kubuntu-desktop packages that allowed you to run either kpowersave or klaptop as well?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: raphink did, and the packages are on my repo
[12:32] <Tonio_> http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[12:32] <Hobbsee> :) i like having them work
[12:32] <Tonio_> you have the list here
[12:32] <Hobbsee> yes, i have it :P
[12:32] <Tm_T> moin
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T
[12:33] <mornfall> raphink: i haven't found no more testers
[12:33] <mornfall> only a big python flame
[12:34] <mornfall> which was lame
[12:34] <mornfall> i should stay away from python flames
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee!
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee: hello
[12:34] <Hobbsee> is Hobbsee squared as well?
[12:34] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i am sure you want to test adept 1.91
[12:34] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:35] <Hobbsee> what sort of testing?
[12:35] <mornfall> compile and run
[12:35] <mornfall> if you can spot some obvious RC bugs
[12:35] <mornfall> :-)
[12:36] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[12:36] <Hobbsee> both?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> compile both, i take it?
[12:36] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[12:36] <mornfall> Hobbsee: yes, in the order pasted (first is build-dep of latter)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> yep, gotcha
[12:36] <mornfall> just run debuild on it
[12:37] <mornfall> if it breaks, it's probably my fault
[12:37] <freeflying> mornfall: 1.91 can not works too
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no response on the wpasupplicant and networkmanager yet
[12:39] <mornfall> freeflying: damn
[12:40] <mornfall> freeflying: but since you already compiled it, can you try without scim?
[12:40] <mornfall> freeflying: (and paste me the stdout/stderr with scim enabled?)
[12:40] <freeflying> mornfall: will try it later
[12:41] <mornfall> freeflying: terminal output with scim? pretty please :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: out of curiousity, why isnt the directory inside the .tar.gz named correctly?
[12:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: probably because i make the tarball in a very hacky way :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: riddell always fixes it for me ;-)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> you didnt use the *gasp* evil program, did you?
[12:44] <mornfall> i don't use program, i just run debuild in a hand-crafted checkout directory O:-)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> you cant just rename the directory?
[12:44] <mornfall> it's too complicated
[12:44] <mornfall> i can't use the mv program
[12:44] <mornfall> never recall the spelling
[12:44] <mornfall> you know all that :-)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[12:44] <mornfall> i will write a script one day
[12:45] <mornfall> that will make proper tarballs
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:45] <mornfall> or something :)
[12:49] <Hobbsee> mornfall: first one compiles
[12:50] <mornfall> yay
[12:50] <mornfall> Hobbsee: why?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> so i dont have to install that stuff now, and can do it thru adept?
[12:51] <mornfall> *blink*?
[12:51] <mornfall> what build depends? :)
[12:51] <Hobbsee> deps on kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <mornfall> it won't build without kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <Hobbsee> errors out without that package though - compiling, and installing again
[12:52] <Hobbsee> other way around
[12:52] <mornfall> obviously, you can't compile kde programs without kdelibs headers :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:54] <Hobbsee> you can try to override it
[12:54] <Hobbsee> but it errored out over the xincludes
[12:54] <mornfall> :-)
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: pingy pingy? :)
[12:55] <mornfall> Riddell: or you
[12:55] <raphink> pingu pingu
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i guess i couldnt get it to build in a pbuilder...pity
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: how willing are you to fix the packages before uploading? :)
[12:55] <mornfall> Hobbsee: oh?
[12:55] <raphink> hmmm
[12:55] <raphink> how do you mean?
[12:55] <raphink> the adept one you mean?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> mornfall: because adept depends on the other, which pbuilder will not regard as installed
[12:55] <mornfall> raphink: well, the things you do for packages that come from debian... appending ubuntu1 to version and such
[12:55] <Hobbsee> and is not in repos
[12:56] <raphink> my will depends more or less of the number of hours I stay awake in the day
[12:56] <mornfall> Hobbsee: ah, right, usual pbuilder problem
[12:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:56] <mornfall> Hobbsee: there's a section on it in debian wiki
[12:56] <raphink> mornfall: the general rule when syncing/merging packages from Debian are to keep the diff as small as possible
[12:56] <Hobbsee> oh ok...i'll have to have a look
[12:57] <mornfall> Hobbsee: http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks
[12:57] <raphink> mornfall: so if it can be kept with no -0ubuntu1 it's better
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: i don't know what Riddell does to the packages in fact
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: but it's a native package
[12:58] <mornfall> raphink: so that's maybe why (you would have exactly same version as debian with different content)
[12:58] <raphink> well if it builds in Dapper and we have no particular patch to apply to it, we just sync it
[12:59] <raphink> is the package in Debian already?
[12:59] <mornfall> not yet :)
[12:59] <raphink> ok
[12:59] <mornfall> and it will go to dapper first this time
[12:59] <raphink> ah ok
[12:59] <raphink> so it's not a sync really
[12:59] <raphink> it's more convenient when it enters debian first
[12:59] <raphink> so we can measure the diff
[12:59] <raphink> and be sure to stay as close to debian as possible
[12:59] <raphink> it's less of a problem with adept since it's a package in main
[12:59] <Hobbsee> cool!
[12:59] <mornfall> raphink: well, you get from me the thing that will be uploaded to debian
[01:00] <raphink> so we can deal with the diff more
[01:00] <raphink> Hobbsee: what,
[01:00] <raphink> ?
[01:00] <mornfall> raphink: most of the time
[01:00] <raphink> ok
[01:00] <Hobbsee> raphink: refering to the link from mornfall
[01:00] <raphink> if you don't miind I'll have a look at it later mornfall
[01:00] <raphink> cause I have to pack and go
[01:00] <raphink> and I'm not going to move if I stick to the comp like that
[01:01] <mornfall> raphink: ok
[01:01] <raphink> can you upload to revu and send me the link by email?
[01:01] <mornfall> raphink: i may catch riddell in which case it'll be less work for you :)
[01:01] <raphink> I'll look at it tonight or tomorrow if you don't mine
[01:01] <raphink> s/mine/mind/
[01:02] <mornfall> bah revu :|
[01:02] <raphink> mornfall: or send me the packages if you prefer :)
[01:02] <raphink> or send me a link to the packages on the net ;)
[01:02] <mornfall> i'd have to go through the whole upload thing that way... i thought that's what sponsors are for :)
[01:02] <raphink> huh?
[01:02] <raphink> no
[01:02] <mornfall> raphink: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/libapt-front_<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz and http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[01:02] <raphink> on REVU I would just add your key to the keyring
[01:02] <raphink> then you can upload what you want
[01:03] <mornfall> i am joking
[01:03] <raphink> mornfall: can you please send them by mail? it's more convenient :)
[01:03] <mornfall> i mean, i would have to do the whole upload dance
[01:03] <raphink> otherwise I'm sure to lose them ;)
[01:03] <mornfall> raphink: links or tarballs?
[01:03] <raphink> links
[01:03] <raphink> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:04] <raphink> and I promise I'll look at them this weekend
[01:04] <mornfall> raphink: sent
[01:04] <raphink> ty
[01:04] <mornfall> raphink: i'll try to recall to mail you in case Riddell appears
[01:04] <mornfall> and does the upload
[01:04] <raphink> ok
[01:05] <raphink> I'll see it in dapper changes if that happens
[01:05] <raphink> but right now I better hurry up
[01:05] <mornfall> laters :)
[01:05] <raphink> I've got about 4 hours to drive
[01:05] <raphink> ++
[01:05] <mornfall> ouch
[01:05] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i'll wait for your results with Riddell summoning =)
[01:06] <mornfall> well i should be writing homeworks :|
[01:06] <mornfall> lame
[01:09] <Hobbsee> hee
[01:09] <mornfall> yes?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> both compile...
[01:09] <mornfall> yay
[01:10] <Hobbsee> could not find something...octet stream
[01:13] <Hobbsee> mornfall: error message, after you put in kdesu adept:
[01:13] <Hobbsee> Could not find mime type
[01:13] <Hobbsee> application/octet-stream
[01:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: yay
[01:13] <Hobbsee> well, launching from the kmenu, with command of:  adept %i %m -caption "%c"
[01:13] <Hobbsee> how's that yay?
[01:13] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it's a bug in kdesu/kubuntu/ubuntu not in adept :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: but it would cause hangs at times
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: before the fix that makes it pop up right away
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you can ignore it though
[01:14] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: if you click it away adept will work ok
[01:14] <Tonio_> hum........ knetworkmanager ftbfs because libs name are different in main than on my repo.....
[01:15] <Tonio_> why did they change that ?
[01:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try running kdesu kbuildsycoca if it fixes the problem?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i will in a minute - just installing kde-devel now
[01:15] <mornfall> Hobbsee: sure
[01:16] <Hobbsee> and i'm pleased to see that it will install, without trying to upgrade packages
[01:16] <Hobbsee> *upgrade other packages
[01:19] <Hobbsee> mornfall: same thing.  seems to work fine.
[01:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: same thing = ?
[01:20] <mornfall> Hobbsee: do you sometimes use adept? if yes, have you ever experienced the adept does not start problem?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: same thing, as in, i get the same error.
[01:20] <mornfall> Hobbsee: after buildsycoca run?
[01:20] <mornfall> interesting
[01:20] <Hobbsee> occasonally, i do use it.  even today, it did not start first time
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: which version?
[01:21] <Tm_T> hum hum hum
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try reproducing it? and if it happens paste the stdout of it? (presuming you run it from terminal)
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it would be a huge help -- i can't reproduce it at all :'(
[01:21] <Hobbsee> mornfall: all of them
[01:21] <Tm_T> 13:56:23 up 2 days, 19:45,  4 users,  load average: 9.15, 7.57, 5.88
[01:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i mean, 1.91?
[01:21] <Tm_T> now load average: 6.06, 5.14, 5.24
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes, when i tested it out the first time.  i didnt run it thru terminal
[01:22] <Hobbsee> after buildsycoca run, the error about octet stream is still ther,e yes
[01:22] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you try reproducing it in terminal? *please please*
[01:23] <Hobbsee> trying - but it's being nice, and starting up properly now...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> rebooting kde...
[01:23] <mornfall> i want to get rid of this bug
[01:29] <Hobbsee> damn thing
[01:29] <mornfall> Hobbsee: what?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> what is it about bugs, that lets them be reproducable the first time you boot, every time, but as soon as you *want* them to reproduce, tehy dont
[01:30] <mornfall> Hobbsee: can you reproduce it without terminal?
[01:31] <mornfall> oh
[01:31] <mornfall> maybe it just happened tom e?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:32] <mornfall> but, but... it did not deadlock
[01:32] <mornfall> either it died right away, or i closed it without remembering
[01:32] <mornfall> which is the likely scenario :\
[01:32] <Hobbsee> mornfall: who knows.  this usually happens
[01:32] <Hobbsee> but it's working now
[01:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: could you please look at your .xsession-errors?
[01:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it could have some trace of the nonstarting adept
[01:43] <Hobbsee> mornfall: even with not being able to reproduce thru console
[01:44] <Hobbsee> mornfall: nothing of interest there - cos i rebooted, and so lost teh old session error
[01:45] <mornfall> damn
[01:54] <mornfall> that's lame
[01:54] <mornfall> adept starts up every single time for me
[01:54] <mornfall> about ten times in a row
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:54] <Hobbsee> try a reboot, then starting it
[01:54] <Hobbsee> once it starts once, it seems to always start up
[01:55] <Tm_T> moin hapo
[01:55] <hapo> I would be interested in maintaining the package of an application that's not currently present in multiverse
[01:55] <hapo> how much work would that involve?
[01:55] <hapo> Tm_T: hejsan
[01:55] <Tm_T> hmm, is there debian maintainer for it?
[01:56] <hapo> an intresting question
[01:56] <hapo>
[01:56] <Tm_T> because afaik it could simplify it a lot
[01:56] <hapo> eh, +e
[01:56] <Tm_T> like, all you need to do is repackage or so
[01:58] <hapo> yup, as I've currently been doing with my unofficial packages
[01:58] <hapo> however, I've done them from other unofficial ones
[01:58] <hapo> that can be found on kmplayer's website
[01:58] <Tm_T> let's see...
[02:00] <Tm_T> AGH! debian.org is down again
[02:01] <tvo> it's been announced on debian-devel, it will be down till 21 UTC iirc
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ugh
[02:03] <tvo> "This Saturday (2006-03-25) between 13:00 - 21:00 UTC, the debian.org machines hosted by HP are going down due to maintenance in their cage on the power systems."
[02:04] <Tm_T> thanks
[04:13] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[04:13] <Tonio_> I need to reactivate wifi :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> back in 10 minutes
[04:14] <Lure> Tonio_: ok
[04:17] <freeflying> Lure: how about the new qt
[04:17] <Lure> freeflying: need to restart download - it got stalled...
[04:24] <mornfall> Riddell: so
[04:25] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/ept_1.91.tar.gz
[04:25] <mornfall> Riddell: i guess i won't make any further changes -- the tarball is updated to have the race fix in it
[04:25] <mornfall> i very much hope it fixes the adept fails to start problems
[04:35] <Tonio_> Lure: I'm not able to connect with knetworkmanager anymore.........
[04:35] <Tonio_> seen that problem already?
[04:35] <Lure> yes ;-)
[04:36] <Lure> Did you remove wallet and rc file?
[04:36] <Tonio_> what is the issue ?
[04:36] <Tonio_> yep
[04:36] <Lure> Then it is strange... WEP or WPA?
[04:36] <Tonio_> Idid not remove wallet, but I purged knetworkmanager settings
[04:36] <Tonio_> from the wallet ;)
[04:36] <Lure> Tonio_: that is what I did also....
[04:36] <Tonio_> wep
[04:36] <Lure> did you remove knetwrokmanagerrc file?
[04:37] <Lure> Tonio_: you cannot connect as it crashes (my report) or do you get asked for WEP key and then it does not work?
[04:37] <Tonio_> no
[04:37] <Lure> BTW, no new knm package in your repo - did you uplolad
[04:37] <Tonio_> no prompt..........
[04:37] <Lure> You should
[04:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I will purge and reinstall everything, and see
[04:38] <Tonio_> Lure: I uploaded yes
[04:38] <Tonio_> network-manager-kde
[04:38] <Tonio_> install this
[04:39] <Tonio_> okay, I'm pruging all settings and reboot
[04:39] <Tonio_> we'll see
[04:39] <Lure> I had installed it before, but it does not upgrade now
[04:43] <Tonio_> Lure: that's okay :)
[04:43] <Tonio_> I just had to reboot
[04:43] <Tonio_> so what's the bug you were talking about
[04:44] <Tonio_> ?
[04:44] <Lure> #knetworkmanager?
[05:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at knetworkmanager for dialup
[05:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think patching this will be quite impossible
[05:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: methods for ading, appening, remove and connect to dialup connections are about everywhere in the code........;
[05:27] <Tonio_> that would result a patch about impossible to maintain with updates.........
[05:34] <Riddell> just remove dialup then
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok ;)
[05:50] <Riddell> how does nm-applet do dialup?
[05:50] <Riddell> "Kaffeine 0.8 released"  hmm
[05:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't ;)
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to test latest kaffeine
[05:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: dialup connections is something specific to knetworkmanager/yast
[05:54] <Tonio_> this is not in any other part of networkmanager
[05:54] <Tonio_> that's why I would suggest to remove that ;)
[05:55] <Riddell> "added: support for KDE 3.5's system:/ - patch by Christopher Martin "  ooh
[05:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, please package it up
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go ;)
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a good news ;)
[05:57] <Tonio_> kaffeine is the application for which system:/ is the most handicaping
[05:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that works, shouldn't we consider removing my crappy patch ?
[05:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[05:58] <Tonio_> still an issue with kate, but well..... nobody's launching kate + 50 MB text files everyday ;)
[06:02] <Riddell> mornfall: new adept working lovely for me, I'll upload
[06:08] <verwilst> any idea when kopete 10.2 beta2 kubuntu debs will be out for dapper?
[06:10] <Riddell> Tm_T sometimes makes them
[06:10] <Tm_T> yeah, I should
[06:11] <Tm_T> I try tomorrow, today I feel very sick
[06:14] <mornfall> Riddell: cool
[06:14] <mornfall> Riddell: i talked few people into testing it this time, so hopefully caught the silliest bugs :-)
[06:17] <Tm_T> hmm
[06:18] <Tm_T> I wonder...
[06:19] <Tm_T> should I just play around with Kopete sources or do I need something from kdenetwork
[06:19] <Tm_T> for puilding package
[06:19] <Tm_T> b
[06:19] <Tm_T> ...hey, looks like these drugs work, dizzy \o/
[06:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: I assume they're releasing stand alone tars for kopete, so use that but make sure you use a compatible number scheme
[06:20] <Tm_T> ok
[06:20] <Tm_T> yeah, as you told me to do one day
[06:21] <Riddell> number it 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu1kopete1 or something
[06:22] <Tm_T> any mirrors to http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ ?
[06:22] <Tm_T> I assume that I should somewhat follow that ;)
[06:24] <Tm_T> hmm, there's no patches we use? I think no... do we need sametime protocol support (novell groupware I think)
[06:24] <Riddell> we have a separate kopete-meanwhile package for that
[06:25] <Tm_T> ah ok
[06:25] <Tm_T> hmm, and we can do separate jingle package then too?
[06:26] <Riddell> yes
[06:26] <Tm_T> but then we have to get back libortp0 (0.71)
[06:26] <Tm_T> aye sir
[06:27] <Riddell> Lure: did you test kde 3.5.2 on breezy?
[06:30] <Lure> Riddell: not yet - need to nail down one k-n-m crash first
[06:30] <Lure> I can do it later today (at least install and basic tests)
[06:30] <Lure> If it does not work I will have at least a reason to install Dapper for work partition ;-)
[06:31] <raphink> mornfall: Riddell uploaded adept right?
[06:32] <Riddell> raphink: yes
[06:32] <raphink> thanks :)
[06:32] <raphink> sorry I couldn't do it, I really had to drive :)
[06:40] <mornfall> raphink: right
[06:40] <raphink> :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: pfiuuuuuuuuuu ! kaffeine requires lots of changes :)
[06:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need to rewrite all patches, do I use the kubuntu_ prefix, or do I keep the actual names ?
[06:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: add a kubuntu prefix
[06:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[06:52] <raphink> hmm
[06:52] <raphink> the display module still won't work
[06:52] <Riddell> is my usual way anyway, the debian maintainers will take it back when they package it
[06:53] <Riddell> anyone had problems with amarok and taglib?
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is no debian sync for those packages no ?
[06:53] <Tonio_> I mean "autosync"
[06:53] <raphink> fabo: le module display marche chez toi?
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[06:53] <Tonio_> raphink: display module never worked on any of my computers
[06:54] <raphink> it worked a few days ago here Tonio_
[06:54] <raphink> and now it's broken again
[06:54] <Tonio_> raphink: what about the "delay to shuddown screen" ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> are you able to change it ?
[06:54] <Tonio_> I can change it, when going back to settings after closing systemsettings, nothing changed
[06:55] <Tonio_> the module launches, but that's the only thing it does for me ;)
[06:55] <Tonio_> and yes, the module doesn't even launch actually
[06:56] <Tonio_> raphink: unable to launch blabla
[06:56] <Tonio_> that's what I get
[06:56] <raphink> oui aussi
[06:56] <Tonio_> tout pareil
[06:56] <Tonio_> we need to ping _Sime_
[06:56] <raphink> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getNeedVideoRam'
[06:56] <raphink> error: *** runFunction failure
[06:56] <raphink> or fabo
[06:56] <_Sime_> hey
[06:57] <Tonio_> _Sime_: hello ;)
[06:57] <raphink> hi _Sime_
[06:57] <_Sime_> whatsup?
[06:58] <raphink> _Sime_: it seems to me like the display module was fixed a few days ago
[06:58] <raphink> and it is broken again now
[06:58] <_Sime_> it might just not be fixed for you. ;-)
[06:58] <raphink> nope
[06:58] <raphink> it was fixed a few days ago on this machine
[06:59] <raphink> and it's broken for tonio too
[06:59] <raphink> _Sime_: can you test please?
[07:00] <raphink> _Sime_: http://pastebin.com/621895
[07:00] <raphink> and I'm totally up-to-date
[07:02] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I can confirm
[07:02] <_Sime_> Tonio_: same problem?
[07:03] <Tonio_> _Sime_: yep
[07:05] <Tonio_> _Sime_: exactly the same, and I don't run a ppc architecture, but an i386 one
[07:06] <_Sime_> mmm
[07:07] <raphink> _Sime_: did  you test ?
[07:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: I don't have exactly the same output
[07:07] <Tonio_> here is my one :
[07:07] <Tonio_> _Sime_: http://pastebin.com/621911
[07:07] <Tonio_> a bit different, but same result ^^
[07:08] <_Sime_> Tonio_: email me your xorg.conf, there appears to be a bad character in it.
[07:08] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay
[07:09] <Tonio_> _Sime_: email address plz ?
[07:09] <_Sime_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:09] <raphink> I don't have the unicode error
[07:10] <_Sime_> raphink: yes, I see that. What is your email address?
[07:10] <Tonio_> _Sime_: email gone
[07:10] <raphink> I have an attributeerror instead
[07:10] <raphink> _Sime_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:10] <Tonio_> but my xorg.conf works perfectly ;)
[07:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: are you working on kaffeine 0.8?
[07:11] <raphink> I also get error messages on the sharing section. can you confirm tonio?
[07:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[07:12] <Tonio_> there are many little things to clean, like xpm file etc......
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be okay in 30 minutes
[07:12] <Riddell> cool, thanks, I'll wait and batch my upstream version freeze exception requests then
[07:13] <raphink> Tonio_: tu as une erreur quand tu cliques sur "sharing" dans systemsettings?
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:13] <Tonio_> raphink: je te dis ca
[07:13] <raphink> ok
[07:13] <raphink> moi j'ai
[07:13] <raphink> Impossible de trouver le module   .
[07:14] <Tonio_> raphink: unable to find module << >>
[07:14] <raphink> Impossible de trouver le module   .
[07:14] <Tonio_> :)
[07:14] <raphink> oui
[07:14] <raphink> et il me le refais
[07:14] <raphink> quand je clique sur les onglets Lisa et lan:/ ioslave
[07:14] <raphink> enfin dmon lisa
[07:15] <Tonio_> raphink: tout pareil
[07:15] <apachelogger> raphink: hi, if there is a new version of kblogger which fixes the blogger.com issue, is it possible to get into dapper?
[07:15] <raphink> oki
[07:15] <raphink> apachelogger: request an UVF exception
[07:16] <raphink> see the ubuntu-motu ML for instructions
[07:16] <apachelogger> ok, thx
[07:16] <raphink> Tonio_: ok this is a problem with the lanbrowser module it seems
[07:16] <raphink> i'll check it
[07:17] <_Sime_> Tonio_: did you reinstall dapper recently?
[07:17] <Tonio_> k
[07:17] <Tonio_> _Sime_: not myself
[07:17] <Tonio_> _Sime_: my installation is about one month
[07:18] <_Sime_> Tonio_: did you use accented chars in xorg.conf? or did the installer do that?
[07:18] <Tonio_> _Sime_: the installer does that unfortunately
[07:18] <Tonio_> I know that's not nice at all.......;
[07:19] <_Sime_> Tonio_: was that always so? or was it recently changed?
[07:19] <Tonio_> _Sime_: that was always
[07:19] <raphink> _Sime_: the module was fixed for me a few days ago
[07:19] <raphink> then yesterday it was broken again
[07:19] <raphink> not sure when it happened
[07:19] <Tonio_> xorg installer uses "carte video gnrique"
[07:19] <Tonio_> and that causes crappy xorg.conf
[07:19] <_Sime_> raphink: did you get my mail?
[07:19] <raphink> nope
[07:19] <raphink> not yet
[07:20] <Tonio_> raphink: do you confirm you already saw that with xorg configurator ?
[07:20] <raphink> huh?
[07:20] <Tonio_>         Identifier      "cran gnrique"
[07:21] <Tonio_> raphink: something like that
[07:21] <_Sime_> raphink: ok, this time I
[07:21] <Tonio_> it is not nice to have accents in a config file.....
[07:21] <raphink> mhm
[07:21] <_Sime_> raphink: I've got the address right.
[07:21] <raphink> I don't have the unicode error Tonio_
[07:21] <_Sime_> Tonio_: 0.6.3 should be able to handle it.
[07:22] <raphink> ok wait a min
[07:22] <raphink> I'm gonna track this LISa bug in kcontrol
[07:22] <_Sime_> Tonio_: I can reproduce your problem here BTW.
[07:22] <raphink> for a short while, before I got out ;)
[07:22] <Tonio_> _Sime_: cool ;)
[07:23] <raphink> _Sime_: sent back
[07:23] <raphink> very nice idea to make such a program :)
[07:23] <Lure> Riddell: kwin just crashed on console switch with keyboard (KDE 3.5.2)
[07:23] <_Sime_> raphink: thanks.
[07:24] <raphink> :)
[07:24] <_Sime_> Tonio_: there is something dumb happening in python's csv module.... :-/ I've opened the file with right encoding but BOOM! I'll work it out.
[07:26] <Tonio_> _Sime_: okay, thanks :)
[07:27] <_Sime_> raphink: what are you running dapper on?
[07:27] <raphink> powerbook g4
[07:29] <raphink> :(
[07:29] <raphink> aaaww :(
[07:29] <raphink> _Sime_: I'm sorry, it just worked 3 days ago I'm sure
[07:29] <raphink> now it says the module can't be found
[07:30] <_Sime_> raphink: all your old xorg.conf file are backed up in /etc/X11/
[07:30] <_Sime_> raphink: maybe you can see what has changed in the last few days.
[07:31] <raphink> you think this is ap roblem with xorg ?
[07:31] <_Sime_> maybe
[07:31] <_Sime_> with the data you sent me I can probably reproduce the exception here.
[07:31] <raphink> ok
[07:31] <raphink> lets see
[07:31] <_Sime_> but first it is time to go do the food thing.
[07:32] <raphink> I have no xorg.conf backup
[07:32] <Riddell> Lure: can you reproduce that crash?
[07:32] <raphink> and the creation date of the current one is from 15 days ago
[07:32] <Riddell> Lure: 3.5.2 installed ok otherwise?
[07:32] <raphink> i.e. when I installed dapper on this machine
[07:32] <raphink> so it hasn't be changed
[07:33] <raphink> hence I doubt this is it _Sime_
[07:33] <Lure> Riddell: yes 3.5.2 installed fine and running w/o any noticable problems.
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: great, many thanks
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: could you test koffice 1.5 rc1 as well?
[07:33] <Lure> I now has also freeflying's qt - this might be an issue, but I can also downgrade if you think needed
[07:34] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15rc1/ breezy main
[07:34] <Riddell> nah, new qt needs testing too
[07:34] <Lure> Riddell: I do not use koffice, but can install... ;-)
[07:35] <Lure> Riddell: BTW, this crash was on dapper (did not boot into breezy yet) and before I installed qt
[07:36] <Lure> Riddell: one thing I noticed after login qith new qt - tray icons were updated very visible - never noticed it before
[07:36] <Lure> like they would be refreshed several times (too many times), when new icons were added
[07:37] <Lure> will pay attention next time I log in
[07:38] <Riddell> Lure: so you only tested 3.5.2 on dapper?
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: yes, up to now
[07:38] <Riddell> it's breezy that needs testing
[07:39] <Lure> Riddell: will do today.
[07:39] <Lure> BTW, this switch-desktop-slowness due to (probably) crystal is making me nervous
[07:40] <Riddell> I've not had that problem, can you turn off crystal kwin deco to make sure that's what it is?
[07:45] <raphink> Riddell: confirmed and filed a long time ago
[07:45] <raphink> for ppc
[07:46] <raphink> and when I say it is slow, I really mean it
[07:46] <raphink> it freezes everything
[07:46] <raphink> including the keyboard
[07:46] <raphink> for 5 minutes when I start KDE
[07:46] <raphink> and it's due to the crystal win deco _exclusively_
[07:46] <raphink> I checked it
[07:47] <raphink> furthermore, as some people pointed on forums and blogs, this deco resembles the vista one too much
[07:47] <raphink> which is another point against using it ;)
[07:47] <raphink> anyway
[07:47] <raphink> gtg
[07:47] <raphink> later guys
[07:52] <luka74> Riddell: slowdown is only with new login session immedeately after login
[07:52] <luka74> first click on another desktop is fast, but then immediate click on another desktop takes 15 sec or so
[07:53] <luka74> Then my machine hangs on End session (ATI), so I had to reboot and now downloading kde 3.5.2
[07:54] <luka74> Riddell: is it OK that packages are not signed (brezzy kde 3.5.2)?
[07:54] <luka74> and actually I have koffice1.5beta1 on my breezy (not really used), so I can try to upgrade too
[07:55] <luka74> can you repeat the repository URL again?
[07:55] <Riddell> luka74: packages should be signed (by me)
[07:55] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-15rc1/ breezy main
[07:55] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352/ breezy main
[07:56] <luka74> they are not - have downloaded your key again
[07:57] <luka74> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[07:58] <luka74> I did install key again as described here:
[07:58] <luka74> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-amarok-beta2.php
[07:58] <luka74> (this was last announcement on kubuntu.org where your key is mentioned)
[08:00] <Riddell> hmm, confirmed
[08:06] <Lure> Tonio_: I am trying to get pbuilder on my breezy (while waiting for 3.5.2 to install)
[08:07] <Lure> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper
[08:07] <Lure> this fails with debootstrap error
[08:07] <Lure> I am going through the steps described in PbuilderHowto (wiki)
[08:07] <Riddell> you need debootstrap from dapper to build a dapper chroot
[08:08] <Lure> OK, then I will just do it in dapper - I just tried to get used to while waiting...
[08:10] <Riddell> archive signing should be fixed now
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: 3.5.2 installed - no scary messages, only this one worth mentioning:
[08:10] <Lure> dpkg: warning - unable to delete old directory `/etc/kde3/magic': Directory not empty
[08:11] <Lure> will now upgrade also koffice and then reboot to test
[08:12] <Lure> Riddell: got this from apt-get update when added koffice-15rc1 repository
[08:12] <Lure> W: Conflicting distribution: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release (expected breezy but got dapper)
[08:12] <Lure> ugly...
[08:13] <Lure> has nothing to do with koffice - also get this without that repo...
[08:14] <Lure> not sure what could have caused this (beside kde3.5.2 or my try with pbuilder)
[08:15] <Lure> in my /e/a/sources.list, I have standard repos (with si. prefix) + backports + amarok-1.3.8 + wine
[08:15] <Lure> all have breezy (wine has binary/), no mention of dapper
[08:16] <Lure> maybe your authentication fix? ;-)
[08:16] <Riddell> hang on a sec
[08:20] <Riddell> should be fixed now
[08:22] <Lure> Riddell: new one:
[08:22] <Lure> : GPG error: http://kubuntu.org breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A506E6D4DD4D5088 Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:27] <Riddell> ok fixed
[08:27] <Riddell> not sure what caused that
[08:28] <Lure> Riddell: ok now, koffice upgrade in process (did not complain about not being signed)
[08:28] <Riddell> phew :)
[08:29] <verwilst> oh, kaffeine 0.8 is out?
[08:30] <Riddell> apparantly so, quite a silly time for it to be put out
[08:31] <verwilst> why's that? :)
[08:31] <Riddell> there's a pending security update for kaffeine
[08:32] <verwilst> oh
[08:32] <verwilst> and it's fixed in 0.8?
[08:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5346 in kaffeine "Kaffeine crashes konqueror when trying to play embedded movies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5346
[08:32] <Riddell> I think everyone will be hoping that
[08:33] <verwilst> annoying bug eh :d
[08:40] <Riddell> uh oh
[08:40] <Riddell> ah hah!
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure: success?
[08:40] <Lure> Riddell: so far, so good...
[08:44] <Riddell> koshell working?
[08:51] <Lure> Riddell: it comes up, not sure what it should do... ;-)
[08:51] <Lure> I just used kword/kspread and krita until now
[08:51] <Riddell> Lure: start a new kword document or something
[08:52] <Lure> started one of each, looks good...
[08:53] <Riddell> great, thanks for that Lure
[08:53] <Lure> actually, koffice look really nice - great improvement from 1.4
[08:53] <Lure> will it get into dapper?
[08:54] <Riddell> no idea
[08:55] <Lure> otherwise my key apps still work as expected (kontact (could not test imap), konqi, kopete, konversation, ...)
[08:56] <Lure> Riddell: anything else you would like me to test on breezy? otherwise I will go to dapper to fix knm
[08:57] <Lure> if anything pops up, you will here from me next week (I have to work on this breezy, you know ;-))
[08:58] <Riddell> Lure: I think that's all the testing needed for now
[08:59] <Lure> ok, be back after reboot
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine packages okay
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: gui changes a LOT
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange feeling in some point........
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna test ?
[09:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[09:03] <Riddell> anyone running kde 3.5.1 able to test something?
[09:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: gonna eat, but I can test what you want in 15 minutes
[09:03] <Lure> Riddell: back on dapper and can confirm that crystal is responsible for slowness (app start, desktop switch)
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can install new kaffeine using my repo
[09:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: URL?
[09:04] <Riddell> Lure: I've e-mailed the author
[09:04] <Lure> I have now Platik and Dapper is snappy again - I almost forgot the feeling...
[09:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/
[09:04] <Tonio_> Lure: using a ppc ?
[09:04] <Lure> no, i386
[09:05] <Tonio_> hum, I don't have problems with crystal
[09:05] <Tonio_> Lure: talking about the window decoration ?
[09:05] <Lure> Tonio_: do a new login session, click on another desktop, followed with click on third desktop
[09:05] <Lure> on my system first switch of desktop, then it is 15 sec delay
[09:06] <Tonio_> hum, will test :)
[09:06] <Lure> and each app startup is slower by a sec or so (just first time I would say)
[09:06] <Lure> just switch to Plastik and you will notice the difference
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: system:/home causes the issue anyway.........; kaffeine 0.8 doesn't resolve anything.........
[09:07] <Lure> Tonio_: :-(
[09:07] <mornfall> Riddell: hmm, do i need to subscribe to each bug individually in malone or there's some trick i missed?
[09:07] <Lure> mornfall: you can subscribe a package
[09:08] <Lure> when you browse and have source URL of you package, just add /+subscribe
[09:08] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/+subscribe
[09:08] <mornfall> okey, it is under bugmail
[09:09] <mornfall> now if only this thing could remember my sort settings
[09:09] <mornfall> clicking few times totally confuses me every time
[09:09] <mornfall> because it reorders the bugs while i don't look
[09:09] <mornfall> :|
[09:09] <Riddell> mornfall: you can subscribe to a package (although it won't subribe you to existing reports, only new ones)
[09:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: I can't get kaffeint to play anything
[09:10] <mornfall> oh lord
[09:10] <Lure> Riddell: but you can nicely go to package list of bugs
[09:10] <mornfall> i will just hope the bugmail thing works
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange, works for me.......
[09:10] <Tonio_> did you remove kaffeinerc ?
[09:10] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/people/lure/+packagebugs
[09:10] <mornfall> can anyone give me a hint on how to add columns to the bug list?
[09:11] <mornfall> i must be utterly clueless :|
[09:11] <Lure> mornfall: nice try... ;-) this is not bugzilla...
[09:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just opened an avi/xvid file, an ogm file, an wmv file, and everything is nice.......
[09:11] <mornfall> i know it's not bugzilla
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you install the new kaffeine-xine ????
[09:12] <mornfall> Lure: but a custom bug view is a fairly basic thing
[09:12] <mornfall> Lure: like, what you do when you have 200 bugs?
[09:12] <Lure> mornfall: cry?
[09:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: installing kaffeine-xine fixes it, we need kaffeine to depend on a versioned kaffeine-xine
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;) I would have done the oposite :) making kaffeine-xine depending kaffeine
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: doing that right now
[09:14] <Tonio_> but first, gonna eat or I will die :)
[09:15] <Lure> Riddell: interesting - in my case kaffeine-xine was auto upgraded
[09:15] <Lure> you did not have it installed before?
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: I think riddell didn't upgrade using my repo, and simply installed "kaffeine"
[09:16] <Tonio_> that's the reason
[09:16] <Tonio_> actually kaffeine-xine depends on kaffeine, but not the oposite
[09:16] <Lure> ok, I got it for free as I use your repo for nm
[09:16] <Lure> ;-)
[09:16] <Tonio_> Lure: so if you update, that works
[09:16] <Riddell> hmm, news.bbc.co.uk media player doesn't want to work for me with new kaffeine
[09:17] <Lure> should it depend the opposite? what if you use gstreamer?
[09:17] <Riddell> crashes konqueror
[09:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will make deep tests toonight
[09:17] <Riddell> Lure: if we get the gstreamer plugin again it should depend on kaffine-xine | kaffeine-gstreamer
[09:17] <Lure> Riddell: got it!
[09:18] <Riddell> ah, we want kaffeine-xine to depend on = kaffeine version not >=
[09:18] <mornfall> trac is not optimal but it seems to be a lot better anyway
[09:20] <mornfall> and it's in python
[09:21] <verwilst> well
[09:21] <Lure> Tonio_: you should probably remove nm-applet/knetworkmanager packages - or not?
[09:21] <verwilst> i love the work you guys keep pouring into kubuntu!
[09:21] <verwilst> so keep up the good work!
[09:21] <verwilst> now i'm going to a friend's birthday party
[09:21] <verwilst> wish me luck on finding some nice girls
[09:21] <verwilst> :d
[09:21] <verwilst> ;)
[09:22] <verwilst> ( i congratulated you guys, it's the least you can do in return! )
[09:22] <verwilst> hehe ;)
[09:24] <sebas> Girls only distract from coding.
[09:25] <verwilst> well, i usually have the opposite :p
[09:25] <verwilst> i'm more productive when i have a girl
[09:25] <verwilst> :p
[09:25] <verwilst> not in quantity, but in quality ;)
[09:25] <sebas> Mine is away for the weekend, a friend has come by and we're hacking along.
[09:25] <verwilst> cool :)
[09:25] <sebas> Yeah :)
[09:26] <verwilst> anyways, got to run, 2 minutes left to be at a friend's house! :p
[09:26] <sebas> hf :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: eating and making the changes
[09:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: that may end up with messed up keyboard ;-)
[09:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: does news.bbc video work for you?
[09:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: crashes
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://jt.france2.fr/13h/
[09:34] <Tonio_> french news work for me :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> we need to test a few other video websites
[09:34] <Riddell> yeah but who needs the french news, it's all just more riots :)
[09:40] <Lure> mornfall: is "could not find mime/type" with adept 1.91 expected?
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^_^
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well videos work on lots of websites for me, but konqueror is generally crashing when changing page
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: and I confirm it doesn't work on news.bbc
[09:51] <Riddell> working but crashing when changing page is normal
[09:51] <Riddell> news.bbc worked with 0.7 though
[09:51] <Riddell> kmplayer works fine with news.bbc on the other hand
[09:51] <Riddell> although the kmplayer standalone user interface is not great
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: only if your system is broken :)
[09:52] <Riddell> hapo: kmplayer-app isn't needed and kmplayer package is empty
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: but otherwise yes
[09:52] <Tonio_> kmplayer is way better for embedded videos
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: tell Riddell
[09:52] <mornfall> Lure: i told him ;-)
[09:52] <toma> kmplayer rocks
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't the god solution having both ?
[09:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: hardly ideal but maybe we should do that
[09:52] <Tonio_> kmplayer for streaming and kaffeine for local ?
[09:52] <Lure> Riddell: my system is broken (confirmed by mornfall) ;-)
[09:53] <Riddell> Lure: I can't recreate that problem
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: when I'm saying "ideal" I mean "regarding bugs, the ideal blabla" ;)
[09:53] <Riddell> which is a pain
[09:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I'm not convinced by this latest kmplayer........;
[09:54] <Tonio_> gui is "strange" on smoe points, and all those encoding functions are not of any use, and duplicate already insalled stuff...
[09:55] <Riddell> yes
[09:55] <Tonio_> I don't see, in fact, what is "better" with this version........
[09:55] <mornfall> Riddell: happens on many systems... hobbsee would confirm if she was there
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: kmplayer or kaffeine?
[09:55] <Tonio_> kaffeine
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: so lets stay with kaffine 0.7 I guess
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: waiting for dapper+1, I think that's better
[09:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we should consider kmplayer for konqueror :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> which is really, really great
[10:00] <mornfall> Lure: anything else with new adept? :-)
[10:00] <mornfall> Lure: hammer on it
[10:01] <mornfall> especially if you own some sort of AMD cpu
[10:01] <mornfall> sempron = best
[10:01] <Tonio_> Could not find mime type
[10:01] <Tonio_> application/octet-stream
[10:01] <mornfall> Tonio_: tell Riddell
[10:01] <Tonio_> I have that too Lure ;)
[10:01] <Lure> mornfall: it seems to start faster - I am more apt-get user,
[10:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm lure's issue, just upgraded and adept doesn't work anymore
[10:01] <Lure> mornfall: I have i386
[10:01] <Riddell> wah
[10:01] <mornfall> Tonio_: huh? :)
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: it should work
[10:02] <Lure> Tonio_: doesn't work or just warning
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: just dismiss the dialog
[10:02] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes, after the error, it works (second try)
[10:02] <mornfall> Tonio_: what happened in the first try?
[10:02] <Tonio_> Lure: I though doesn't work, but next attempts, it is just warning
[10:02] <mornfall> damnit what happened first time
[10:02] <Tonio_> mornfall: error message and nothing happened....... I had to relaunch adept
[10:03] <mornfall> Tonio_: please recover your .xsession-errors before its late
[10:03] <mornfall> i need the data
[10:03] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[10:03] <mornfall> as much as i can get that is
[10:03] <Lure> mornfall: is adept updater gone - I just see adept in system menu (and adept notifier)
[10:03] <mornfall> Lure: it's available through notifier only
[10:03] <mornfall> Lure: i did not invent that
[10:04] <Lure> make sense...
[10:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: I backed it up :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: but don't consider my computer as an example, I did so many tests that my profile is completly crappy
[10:05] <mornfall> Tonio_: it should not hang at start anyway
[10:06] <mornfall> Tonio_: if you can extract the relevant output and paste it, i would be happy :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: let me have a look :)
[10:06] <mornfall> Tonio_: i spent hours hunting down those damn elusive startup bugs
[10:06] <mornfall> if there's some left i want to know about it
[10:06] <Tonio_> mornfall: I know kdesu isn't your best friend ;)
[10:06] <mornfall> problem is that it never happens on my machine
[10:07] <mornfall> not with sudo, not with upstream kdesu and not with kubuntu kdesu
[10:07] <Tonio_> mornfall: guess what ? :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> no pb with sudo adept
[10:07] <mornfall> what? :-)
[10:07] <mornfall> Tonio_: that's nothing new
[10:07] <mornfall> Tonio_: the problem is in root's ksycoca i bet
[10:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: but that's besides the point, there's a different issue that causes startup problems
[10:08] <mornfall> i have probably fixed a kdbgstream related deadlock
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: good news ;)
[10:08] <mornfall> but if there's something left, it could use fixing :)
[10:08] <Tonio_> adept %i %m -caption "%c" -> mime problem
[10:08] <Tonio_> kdesu adept -> no problem
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall:  I would suggest simply patching the desktop file
[10:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: no ?
[10:08] <mornfall> Tonio_: what about %m?
[10:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: can you remove it and retry?
[10:09] <Tonio_> yes
[10:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: %i and -caption is fairly useful
[10:09] <mornfall> %m is useless relict on the other hand :-))
[10:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: no, still the problem
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: oh yew
[10:10] <Tonio_> but simply "kdesu adept" is perfect
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: i would like to have the faulty component fixed :)
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: why not simply using this ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: testing option by option :)
[10:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: sudo --icon adept -caption works or breaks?
[10:10] <mornfall> err
[10:10] <mornfall> sudo adept ...
[10:11] <Tonio_> mornfall: so here is the point :
[10:11] <Tonio_> kdesu adept in K menu works for me
[10:11] <Tonio_> but "adept" and "use different user" checked, doesn't work :)
[10:12] <mornfall> hah
[10:13] <mornfall> either way, if this doesn't get fixed till rc, i'll flip it for rc
[10:14] <mornfall> in .desktop
[10:14] <mornfall> Tonio_: so now for the hang :)
[10:14] <mornfall> or crash
[10:14] <mornfall> or what it was
[10:14] <mornfall> that's more interesting
[10:15] <toma> i'm motivated
[10:15] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay, tests finished
[10:15] <Tonio_> mornfall: ALL options are faulty :)
[10:15] <Tonio_> only "adept" with no option works
[10:16] <mornfall> i can promise beers for important info leading to bug resolution :-)
[10:16] <Tonio_> adept  %i, adept  %m or adept "%c"
[10:16] <Tonio_> all of that is creating the issue
[10:17] <mornfall> as usual ;-)
[10:17] <Tonio_> mornfall: what is the need of those options in fact ?
[10:18] <mornfall> Tonio_: translated captions for one i think
[10:18] <mornfall> Tonio_: and overriding app icons in .desktop file
[10:18] <Tonio_> but what actually uses it ?
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: it's standard kde
[10:19] <Tonio_> simple "adept" works exactly the same for me........
[10:19] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: the app with such desktop file will get the desktop's icon and caption
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: makes customisation easier
[10:19] <mornfall> Tonio_: (without the options, you would have to change binaries)
[10:20] <Riddell> "Accepted network-manager 0.6.1-0ubuntu1"
[10:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: when can we upload knetworkmanager?
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: is wpasupplicant in main now ? cause the actuall nm package ftbfs without wpasupplicant
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can ust now :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> as long as I'm sure it builds correctly ;)
[10:21] <Riddell> wpasupplicant is in main
[10:21] <Lure> Riddell: did n-m build?
[10:21] <Lure> ok, then it probably went through...
[10:22] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/network-manager/0.6.1-0ubuntu1  dep-wait
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing knm build now, and if it is okay, we can upload it
[10:25] <Tonio_> mornfall: adept-_installer craches very often for me actually........
[10:25] <mornfall> uhmh
[10:25] <mornfall> that'd be first ever reported crash in _installer
[10:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: I will recreate my profile........ it is too crappy
[10:26] <mornfall> Tonio_: get me details *before* that
[10:26] <mornfall> even if the profile is borked the data is valuable
[10:26] <mornfall> borked profile may expose otherwise hard to reproduce bugs
[10:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: simply clicking in it a few times and then the windows dissapears
[10:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: no error message, nothing
[10:28] <mornfall> Tonio_: backtrace? sudo gdb adept_installer to run it
[10:28] <Tonio_> mornfall: testing
[10:31] <mornfall> still no crash
[10:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: just craches
[10:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: about 50 clicks needed ;)
[10:32] <mornfall> right
[10:33] <mornfall> Tonio_: culprit -- back to program selection
[10:33] <Tonio_> culprit ?
[10:33] <mornfall>       n : someone who perpetrates wrongdoing [syn: {perpetrator}]
[10:34] <mornfall> :-)
[10:34] <mornfall> anyhow, i now know where the problem is
[10:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: it mostly happen when changing the application selection from kde to gnome or the oposite
[10:36] <mornfall> Tonio_: it will happen after applying changes reliably -- only matter of time
[10:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay ;)
[10:37] <mornfall> as usual a stupid bug
[10:37] <mornfall> i'll hopefully have a patch in 5 minutes or so
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: libnm-util-dev missing, and knetworkmanager doesn't build
[10:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to wait for network-manager to be built
[10:43] <Riddell> ok, fair enough
[10:43] <Riddell> would be cool to have knetworkmanager in for flight 6
[10:44] <jtshaw> Tonio_: I'm finally getting to looking at the system:// thing...
[10:44] <Tonio_> jtshaw: ok cool ;)
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be okay for tomorrow, we just need nm to be built
[10:45] <mornfall> (once i test the patch)
[10:45] <mornfall> and it turns out to work :))
[10:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: about flight 6, do you think about adding knm by default ?
[10:49] <Tonio_> jtshaw: that's a vey annoying bug ;)
[10:50] <Tonio_> jtshaw: have you well understood what is needed exactly ? I haven't been very clear this afternoon I think
[10:52] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/36639
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36639 in ept adept "Kubuntu 6.04 DapperAdept Manager not always accessible" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:52] <mornfall> ^^ what should i make out of that?
[10:53] <Riddell> mornfall: yes, can upload a fix
[10:54] <jtshaw> Tonio_: More explination couldn't hurt
[10:54] <jtshaw> Tonio_: Your patch is in the patch file already right? (my internet connection is being slow.. source package is still downloading...)
[10:54] <Lure> jtshaw: Tonio_ left....
[10:55] <jtshaw> opps...
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure gets the beastie master of the day award
[10:56] <Lure> Riddell: since Tonio_ is not here - what is the fastest way to get debug build (-g) of the package
[10:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll follow ubuntu for where we install network-manager
[10:56] <Riddell> which is currently on live and ship
[10:57] <Lure> Riddell: ;-) only when I know how to build debug builds...
[10:58] <Lure> df
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[10:59] <Tonio_> Lure: which -g package needed ?
[10:59] <Lure> knm
[10:59] <Lure> I would think I can pass CFLAGS=-g somehow
[10:59] <Tonio_> you need a debug version ?
[10:59] <Lure> yes
[11:00] <Tonio_> hum, need to check sources for this, but I can do it
[11:00] <Lure> I thought this is the same for all packages...
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: it is a configure option, I can build the package if you want
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: I would rather do it myself in case I need multiple tries...
[11:02] <jtshaw> Tonio_: Is there a bug report with on launchpad with the full description of the problem?
[11:02] <Tonio_> lure : CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are set to "-g -Wall -O2" by default. (from cdbs documentation)
[11:03] <Tonio_> but adding this : COMMON_CONFIGURE_FLAGS := --debug
[11:03] <Tonio_> could dothe job
[11:03] <Tonio_> jtshaw: there are so many ;)
[11:03] <Tonio_> jtshaw: want a resume in private ?
[11:03] <Tonio_> that'll be easier
[11:04] <Tonio_> Lure: so -g option is the default........
[11:04] <jtshaw> tonio_ sure
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: interesting, why I did not get stack trace with that crash - will start from fresh knm install again
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks.
[11:05] <Tonio_> Lure: add the --debug configure option in rules
[11:07] <Lure> Tonio_: BTW, you should update chaneglog (still note about of noVPN)
[11:09] <Tonio_> Added patches/kubuntu_02_noVPN.patch to remove vpn support
[11:09] <Tonio_> what's the problem ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> the patch is still there :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> did we actually make vpn working ?
[11:09] <Lure> but we should remove it - n-m has VPN support
[11:10] <Lure> but you are right, we need to wait for n-m build, then we can test our build
[11:10] <Tonio_> hu ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> vpn working ?
[11:10] <Tonio_> interesting
[11:10] <Lure> exactly - Keybuk decided tha VPN is not an issue anymore and included it
[11:10] <Lure> we were all suprised
[11:10] <Tonio_> great ;)
[11:11] <Tonio_> Lure: updating the package
[11:11] <Tonio_> thanks for the info
[11:12] <Lure> Tonio_: will not build unless you have n-m-dev from offical repo (with VPN headers)
[11:12] <Lure> I have compiled it myself manually today w/o problems (no patches at all)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Lure: that's wy I updated source package only :)
[11:14] <Tonio_> Lure: how many hours is the cycle for packages to be build ?
[11:14] <Tonio_> 6 hours I think ?
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want a knetworkmanager entry in the kmenu ? or do I hide it like adept_updater -as it autostarts)
[11:22] <Riddell> hide it
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[11:25] <Lure_> Tonio_: stack trace is there (not sure where I was looking last time)
[11:25] <Lure_> Dialog crashes on QDialog::show
[11:25] <Tonio_> hum.......
[11:26] <Lure_> I suspect dialog is not properly constructed for my case (WPA2-PSK)
[11:26] <Lure_> will also send stack trace to Timo (author)
[11:40] <Lure_> Tonio_: nice, it does not crash under valgrind
[11:40] <Lure_> but luckily, valgrind has lot's to tell about him... ;-)


[06:56] <linux_unix-10> Hello!
[06:57] <linux_unix-10> Is it possible to upgrade to GNOME 3.20 on 16.04? If it is, is it crashy?
[07:41] <mgedmin> the gnome 3 staging ppa was stable for me personally
[07:52] <linux_unix-10> mgedmin: Really? From what I read on OMGUbuntu's article comments (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/install-gnome-3-20-ubuntu-16-04-lts), it seems pretty crashy. Maybe it's better from Ubuntu GNOME?
[07:59] <mgedmin> your mileage may vary
[07:59] <mgedmin> if you're feeling brave, you can try it - and if you find it doesn't work for you, use ppa-purge to revert back to gnome 3.18
[08:04] <linux_unix-10> Maybe I'll do it in a VM first to check. Besides, most of the users who experienced problems upgrading were those who kept Unity around.
[12:13] <mgedmin> lol well gnome 3.18 from ubuntu gnome 16.04 was sufficiently unstable for me today that I upgraded to 3.20 from the staging ppa to get some stability
[12:13] <mgedmin> launching polari should not make gnome-shell crash (with the int3 trap which makes gnome-session not restart it so entire session died)


[11:58] <melodie> hello
[11:59] <cfhowlett> melodie, greetings
[11:59] <melodie> I do have a very basic question, how does one restart alsa nowadays? :D
[11:59] <melodie> hi cfhowlett
[12:00] <melodie> I am trying to configure my headset (Logitech) connected by USB with the help of this one tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UsbAudioDevices
[12:00] <melodie> and I would like to avoid rebooting the whole system to try my configuration
[12:01] <cfhowlett> melodie, reboot shouldn't normally be required for a usb device
[12:03] <melodie> cfhowlett, so what would be the magical command to restart alsa ? It seems not to be a service anymore since some time
[12:04] <melodie> I just avoided the problem so far, too many things needed to investigate at same time made me lazy on that one
[12:04] <zequence> melodie: That tutorial is about 6 years old, and not very relevant
[12:04] <cfhowlett> melodie, I'm on 12.04 - alsa in a terminal gives the options including force-reload
[12:04] <zequence> no need to do any alsa configs of that kind
[12:05] <zequence> melodie: Are you using your device with jack?
[12:05] <melodie> hi zequence no the headset is plugged in with a usb connector
[12:06] <melodie> zequence, so I can forget about the config? :'(
[12:06] <zequence> melodie: jack is a pro audio server
[12:06] <melodie> I was so happy to think it might be possible to use it with alsa
[12:06] <zequence> melodie: Yeah, just forget about that page
[12:07] <melodie> fortunately I did a copy of the conf file before starting
[12:07] <zequence> the desktop audio system is called pulseaudio, which uses alsa as its backend
[12:07] <zequence> so, you are already using alsa
[12:08] <zequence> There are some devices that might work with alsa, but not with pulseaudio, in which case it will work with jack
[12:08] <melodie> I don't like pulseaudio because each time I tried with that headset it was a pain in the ass : 1) to get the headset to work, trying each configuration ; 2) to get it to work again when I didn't want to use the headset ; 3) to get it to work again when switching back to headset
[12:08] <melodie> I mean finding which output device to use
[12:09] <melodie> so I should try installing Jack?
[12:09] <melodie> pa is not the default in my install because it is a custom remix
[12:09] <melodie> light, with openbox and some all made configs (not as in crunchbang, it has another type of setup)
[12:09] <zequence> in that case, a 6-10 year old tutorial might actually be what you want
[12:10] <zequence> ..since most of us went on to use PA since then ;)
[12:10] <melodie> zequence, I could give it a try : is there a way to restart alsa ?
[12:10] <melodie> well once I did a mistake:
[12:10] <melodie> I bought a USB headset
[12:11] <melodie> and that worked before, with p-a, but the way I tell you, not without lots of time used for very little - since then I once tried it in Windows and of course this headset works out of the box there. (grumpf!)
[12:17] <melodie> cfhowlett, I want for alsa force-reload, thanks
[12:17] <melodie> it does not like my backup file btw :D
[12:23] <melodie> ok I tried and configured and reconfigured and retried, the config is ignored.
[12:23] <melodie> is Jack easier to configure than P-A or not really?
[12:26] <cfhowlett> melodie, I've never found jack especially easy, but then I've never needed it for my work.
[12:28] <melodie> it would be nice for me to get this headset to be instantly seen by the system when I plug it in, and to be removed when I plug it out, then allowing the speakers of the laptop to start working again
[12:30] <cfhowlett> melodie, agreed. since this issue isn't specific to ubuntu studio, ask in #ubuntu   to get more eyes on it.
[12:31] <melodie> cfhowlett, thanks
[12:49] <melodie> he the configuration works after all! I had to restart fully the system and now the headset works
[12:49] <melodie> ^^
[12:49] <melodie> I have to digg further to see if I can make it switchable
[12:52] <cfhowlett> melodie, progress
[12:53] <melodie> cfhowlett, I think I could get it to work "normally", perhaps...
[12:53] <melodie> would you know how to create an udev rule?
[12:59] <melodie> I will be rebooting now


[00:53] <nhaines> I need to have #ubuntu-us-ca registered.  To me is probably the best thing at the moment.
[00:54] <nhaines> No wait, pleia2 is here!  \o/
[01:17] <toddc> new home is official!!!
[01:23] <nhaines> Yup!  This is where we'll be--hopefully for a long, long time!


[15:05] <sagaci> Hi, I'm in the en_AU translation team on launchpad. I'd like the group to have a mailing list to coordinate correspondence and logs for the team. The owner of the team, Isopogon, seems to be inactive as I've tried to email requesting the mailing list be set up. Is it possible for someone higher up to enable a mailing list for en_AU Ubuntu translators?
[16:27] <sagaci> I file a question on answers - launchpad, cheerio


[00:58] <guiverc> i just booted [xubuntu] 19.04 daily/rc (live) on a system & it's 800x600 graphics - is that the 'safe' mode due to nvidia graphics?
[01:03] <guiverc> ubuntu-drivers gave me another option; chosen & logout - now both screens are alive & higher res... :)
[01:15] <krytarik> guiverc: What kernel version (or image date) have you got there?  Context is LP bug 1824677.
[01:19] <guiverc> Thanks krytarik ; i assumed the latest daily as I noted my download script didn't download a later .. it had 'no space left' error causing download to not occur... thanks..
[01:19] <guiverc> 20190413.1
[01:21] <krytarik> 2019-04-16 19:15 - is the new one including the updated kernel.
[01:23] <guiverc> :(  yeah I realize that now...  (I could see left two chars of my download job window run - not enough )  -- assumption is the mother of all...
[01:24] <guiverc> (last saying was something I was taught in an early programming job...)
[01:47] <guiverc> ISO written & issues mentioned ^ all gone... :)  (20190416)
[06:01] <Unit193> https://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs really hasn't had any updates. :/
[09:16] <bluesabre> :\
[10:57] <knome> Unit193, true.
[12:48] <Spass> hmm, I'm testing the fresh disco ISO now and it booted me to live session with Adwaita theme and icons, someone was mentioning that issue when cosmic was in beta I think
[12:49] <Spass> well, it stil happens unfortunately
[13:11] <Spass> proper themes are selected in the Appearance settings and I see proper values in "xfconf-query -c xsettings -lv"
[13:12] <Spass> but all I see Adwaita
[13:15] <Spass> https://ibb.co/h7RfV6M
[13:17] <Spass> (re-logging fixes it)
[15:18] <Spass> and also I had an issue with 640x480 resolution on new user and lock screen, more about it here - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/403/builds/191455/testcases/1628/results
[15:24] <Spass> do we really need that "No Network" testcase?
[17:10] <flocculant> Spass: a while back there were issues with no internet installs - so we test it - once
[17:10] <flocculant> there's no reason really to test for OEM - but again it's once
[17:11] <Spass> ah ok, I asked because I don't see that testcase on other flavours
[17:11] <flocculant> we only test the encrypt one because I (and indeed anyone not US) had issues with passwords - once again
[17:12] <flocculant> lubuntu used to test it - seems they hardly test anything now
[17:13] <flocculant> anyway - I'm hanging up my spurs tomorrow for good - so someone else can have the unenviable task of trying to get more than 3 or 4 people to test
[17:13] <flocculant> you can run it - and set it up however you want :)
[17:13] <flocculant> I'll be about on and off to answer questions here - and I'll always answer e-mails
[21:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: I appreciate all your help through the years! :-)
[22:33] <Spass> looks like disco milestone can be marked as ready, or is it too early?
[23:07] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ATTN: Xubuntu Core 19.04 - amd64 - amd64 built.
[23:26] <bluesabre> Spass: looks like somebody did
[23:28] <bluesabre> Incredibly, looks like all the desktop releases are marked ready
[23:28] <bluesabre> Must be targeting an early release
[23:29]  * bluesabre doubles down on release note writing
[23:30] <Spass> I only see Ubuntu Studio marked as ready, but maybe ISO tracker refreshes slowly
[23:33] <bluesabre> ohhh
[23:33] <bluesabre> woops
[23:33] <bluesabre> was looking at beta
[23:34] <bluesabre> I'll mark it ready before I go to bed
[23:34] <bluesabre> Maybe we'll get some more testers :)
[23:37] <Spass> ah right, I didn't know that marking it as ready locks the people from adding new reports
[23:39] <Spass> so yeah, no need to hurry :)
[23:46] <Unit193> If you feel like testing something though.... :3
[23:50] <Unit193> I'd like to note here that it sort of pisses me off that snapd is in Core too.
[23:53] <bluesabre> :)
[23:54] <Unit193> Xubuntu Core is up, ish.  Not tested it really yet.
[23:54] <bluesabre> 19.10 dev goal, create snap-remover app, package as snap, include in xubuntu-core
[23:54] <Unit193> Ahaha, oh geez.
[23:54] <bluesabre> :>
[23:54] <Unit193> xubuntu-live, it boots up and removes snapd! :P
[23:55] <bluesabre> :D
[23:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: now that we have apturl, we can do things like this :) https://i.imgur.com/blPKi9S.png
[23:59] <Unit193> Not terribly fond of that idea in general, but yes indeed we could.


[00:11] <asdfmanQv> I'm not sure what to make of this: https://github.com/Gabriel439/post-rfc/blob/master/sotu.md  SOmehow, I feel that he misses the point.
[00:12] <asdfmanQv> aaah weight, wel that's Fe vs what? Co?
[00:12] <asdfmanQv> i don't think to start script enough :(
[00:12] <asdfmanQv> are starting to surpass western and korean brands
[00:12] <asdfmanQv> database_, this may be one of the issues, Im guessing
[01:05] <KrzaQrk> I added a countdown scheduled for 2018-08-22 5:30pm CEST (#6359)
[01:05] <KrzaQrk> Not even 0.
[01:06] <petemoorene> probably because you called free more than once.
[01:06] <petemoorene> s/jca/jsg
[02:27] <GothAliceAB> TIL that routers use "Machine Learning" ;P /joke
[02:27] <GothAliceAB> gryffus: no, but you could use a bouncer somewhere
[03:02] <tobasco> Tauris_, then at the end you usually just have to remember that y is really a function of x so you apply the chain rule to y itself like y*y' like you said
[03:02] <tobasco> haha , Corvus` he wants to get rid of you
[03:02] <tobasco> and I can telnet to that port.
[05:14] <PowaBangafl> wahaha
[05:14] <PowaBangafl> is kush ez to get in pakistan?
[07:00] <djinni`> zumba_ad_: You didn't listen to me....
[07:00] <djinni`> which one's part 14?
[07:01] <djinni`> its good we have those now
[08:16] <ugjkays> all those LCD libs are flaky
[08:17] <ugjkays> /opt triggers me
[08:17] <ugjkays> like locate /etc/myfolder
[08:17] <ugjkays> tmobile no longer exists in the uk, it was consumed into EE
[08:52] <ashnurOg> Gundersanne: oh, did I mis-spell that on the wiki page? sorry
[08:52] <ashnurOg> I don't use vim packages, I use vim-plug (cos I still have some servers with vim7), vim plug loads stuff for you (read the readme) or google minpac which is build around vim8 package
[08:52] <ashnurOg> cocreatures' point is abit moot, as for other part you'll have Field2
[08:52] <ashnurOg> I thought I was missing some part
[08:52] <ashnurOg> Turkey’s been in NATO forever
[10:28] <medusa_Ba> Unfortunately pairings don't work with ristretto. :(
[10:28] <medusa_Ba> nmtui lists networks, though
[10:28] <medusa_Ba> conversion to awk optional
[11:20] <B_RADfj> 46 or so.
[11:20] <B_RADfj> so racists are just sad losers, I think we knew that
[11:54] <jrklein> the final command for the mapping: nnoremap <expr> <Leader>wtt "i# " . expand('%:r') . "\<ESC>"
[11:54] <jrklein> the nrf24 radios are point to point. ZigBee would form a mesh.
[11:55] <jrklein> apple needs to fire their marketing department
[11:55] <jrklein> davidstone, mind if I ask what was accepted ?
[11:55] <jrklein> Yes, they are connected to the cash drawer via RJ11 inteface
[12:37] <LumpiyE> ated new shell for it and called it Cinnamon.
[12:37] <LumpiyE> OH ya intersting
[12:37] <LumpiyE> only freebsd i ever tried is freenas. but i don't really have to do much with it lol
[12:38] <LumpiyE> well, since 1 generates Z/nZ, so must m = phi(1)
[13:39] <vacumvw> bswinnerton: We don't even have a 1.0 for the node_exporter. :(
[13:39] <vacumvw> Maybe I misread.
[13:44] <emilbayestf> That's up to you and your OS. It's probably installed for some reason already.
[13:44] <emilbayestf> snap install throttle - is there a page that shows where the source came from, like  https://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:05] <alvinstarrYC> I wish i was on the waze beta...
[16:05] <alvinstarrYC> you mean phrase the proof?
[16:05] <alvinstarrYC> read :h :q again
[16:05] <alvinstarrYC> that would mean that someone is actually using the pond =)
[16:05] <alvinstarrYC> and ubuntu still list it not as 'linux file system'
[16:10] <r04r_> dicksoak
[16:10] <r04r_> #MVKMasterContainer
[16:10] <r04r_> bwe: you can't. If you want to capture arbitrary path components do something like `get "/page/:number" $ do { number <- param "number"; ... }
[16:10] <r04r_> it's also a lesson for linux people that don't know chkdsk
[16:10] <r04r_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-JaqaWReTs
[16:10] <r04r_> u39u3yd: You are here in #fedora-unregistered because you are not registered or identified with freenode. See https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration or /msg nickserv help register for more information.
[17:19] <spudlyEm> Got kicked for reggednick again, identified and it still won't let me rejoin because needreggednick, double checked nickserv with 'acc', I *am* logged in.
[17:19] <spudlyEm> thats good for now
[17:20] <spudlyEm> deego: you buy 10^6 then you use the 10^6 wrappers thusly trade in two for a new bar (net of wrapper)
[17:20] <spudlyEm> in the middle of a file?
[17:20] <spudlyEm> are they that cheap already? i paid that for my 250 six months ago, lol
[17:36] <TMan459Mg> AS is an optional word in most contexts (not all)
[17:36] <TMan459Mg> dgurney: you Kingstons/toshiba if they are going to give trouble its at the 5 year old mark.
[17:37] <SirKatar> that's not /quite/ so bad then
[17:37] <SirKatar> the_document: you can
[17:37] <SirKatar> as long as the user running plex service has read access to a given file, that's as specific as one has to be
[17:37] <SirKatar> endojelly: card record machines? badass
[17:38] <SirKatar> huh so if i would let's say again curl'd wtfismyip and redirected the result to ddns server instead, it would work right?
[17:46] <The_NozyFY> embedded likely
[17:46] <The_NozyFY> a c++ compiler does not compile c.
[17:54] <knicktj> for now, ALE keeps treating my files liek its python2. I need to find out how to fix this
[17:54] <knicktj> Hulio: yes
[17:54] <knicktj> Peng, ideally it would be nice to have an option to tell Let's Encrypt to use ONLY v4 or ONLY v6
[18:08] <godmachine81MB> nHeck: # is for "stringification"
[18:08] <godmachine81MB> The 16 core Power9 processor costs $2,999 and the 20 core Power9 costs $3,999. IBM is charging $11,499 for a Tesla V100 with 16 GB of frame buffer memory and $15,499 for the V100 with 32 GB.
[18:08] <godmachine81MB> so like, io functions are pure in a sense relative to other PLs, but in the context of a conversation about haskell, io is pretty much the definition of impure
[18:09] <godmachine81MB> MarkB2: So tell him you need a new laptop because the old one doesn't handle the hardware well enough!
[18:09] <godmachine81MB> Just like I can do `unsigned char x = 1024;`, it's allowed because of the conversion rules from one type to another, but sscanf() isn't converting anything, you'd reading from a string a format that you specify.