[12:50] <fortune|cowsay> sertmann: sudo chown -R sertmann:sertmann /home/sertmann (assuming your username is sertmann that is :) )
[12:50] <aftertaf> sertmann:  load n clear
[12:50] <vbgunz> aftertaf: haha, ya, I would agree, I really wish I knew more but learning mv and rm today is good enough, I've been learning the Linux file structure lately
[12:50] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  !cli
[12:50] <poningru_study> Stricklin: to each his own
[12:50] <aftertaf> !cli
[12:50] <ubotu> methinks cli is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[12:50] <sertmann> cheers ill try that
[12:50] <vbgunz> aftertaf: nope, but I did dl Linux in a Nutshell 4th edition ;)
[12:50] <aftertaf> hehe
[12:50] <Severian> k3b runs just great on Ubuntu, though, as do most kde apps I have tried.  SuperKaramba, no, but most things yes.
[12:51] <Stricklin> Lemme ask a dumb question: Can I burn tracks to a DVD disc and still have it play in my car stereo?
[12:51] <aftertaf> Severian:  yeah for SK... i got the tarball in the end
[12:51] <poningru_study> Stricklin: no
[12:51] <Stricklin> :(
[12:51] <Stricklin> I didn't think so
[12:51] <topyli> Stricklin: if your car has a dvd player
[12:51] <vbgunz> aftertaf: thanks for that site, is that like the google of Linux commands?
[12:51] <Stricklin> it doesn't
[12:51] <aftertaf> Stricklin:  can your car read dvds?
[12:51] <poningru_study> Stricklin: yeah can your care read dvds?
[12:51] <aftertaf> vbgunz:  hehe sort of. try the lnuxcommands site, a few pages but awesome!
[12:52] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with cedega?
[12:52] <Severian> Does anyone here know when the Ubuntu Technical Board meets?
[12:52] <vbgunz> aftertaf: thanks but search for rm returned an error I believe... along with some other stuff
[12:52] <lastnode> aftertaf: give me the uri please? linuxcommands
[12:52] <Hendric> with w32codecs... still totem wasn't able to play my MP3s
[12:52] <poningru_study> searcher`: its on wed
[12:52] <poningru_study> sorry tuesdays
[12:52] <vbgunz> aftertaf: it seems to be under major development... at least it needs it, *but* it is a bright idea..
[12:53] <mahangu> Hendric, i use XMMS
[12:53] <poningru_study> depending on where you live
[12:53] <vbgunz> lastnode: linuxcommands.org
[12:53] <Stricklin> I'm not finding serpentine
[12:53] <Hendric> i just want to make totem work
[12:54] <poningru_study> Hendric: follow everything on that site
[12:54] <poningru_study> wait you sure?
[12:54] <Ng> Hendric: have you installed the gstreamer0.8-mad plugin? that should help with mpegs
[12:54] <Severian> I found it.  They meet every two weeks and I just missed the last one
[12:54] <topyli> Severian: the meeting agendas and timetables are on the wiki
[12:54] <poningru_study> Hendric: did you install totem-xine?
[12:54] <Hendric> well the out of the box totem
[12:54] <poningru_study> Hendric: install totem-xine
[12:55] <Ng> bah
[12:55] <Ng> totem-xine is junk :(
[12:55] <poningru_study> Ng: pssh
[12:55] <Hendric> lolx
[12:55] <Severian> Good night all. I logged on just to see if anyone was here.  This was quite an active group
[12:55] <Hendric> oh well its playing now....
[12:55] <Hendric> with xmms... :p
[12:55] <mahangu> Hendric, heh, xmms rocks
[12:55] <vbgunz> oh my god... I need to hit the hay... I hate Linux... it keeps me up late :P
[12:55] <mahangu> for dvds get gxine
[12:56] <topyli> isn't xmms a bit obsolete on this century? ;-)
[12:56] <mahangu> topyli, bah, go wash your mouth out!
[12:56] <poningru_study> rofl
[12:56] <topyli> mahangu: not right now, i'm eating :)
[12:56] <Hendric> topyli, not if you got all the plugins and make it play almost everything... including divx
[12:56] <Ng> topyli: yes
[12:57] <poningru_study> guys this is not a channel for flame wars
[12:57] <mahangu> Hendric, it plays divx?
[12:57] <Ng> making xmms play divx is just a toy
[12:57] <Hendric> it does divx
[12:57] <mahangu> poningru_study, we're kididng :)
[12:57] <mahangu> *kidding even
[12:57] <poningru_study> oh :)
[12:57] <topyli> Hendric: oh sure, it still does the job all right
[12:57] <poningru_study> well keep it informative then it might be actually usefull
[12:58] <topyli> Ng: that would be done through xmmplayer? the mplayer plugin?
[12:58] <Hendric> anyone got gyach working better????
[01:00] <Ng> topyli: it's years since I last ran xmms, I don't recall
[01:00] <Ng> topyli: totem and rhythmbox are the gnomey media players these days, so I use them and encourage others to do the same
[01:00] <topyli> yep
[01:00] <locomorto> beep-media-player is also very nice
[01:00] <mahangu> i cant seem to find mplayer
[01:00] <renedox> use VLC...
[01:01] <mahangu> even among backports
[01:01] <locomorto> Its xmms + nice gtkness
[01:01] <Ng> mahangu: it's in multiverse
[01:01] <mahangu> Ng, what's the uri?
[01:01] <vbgunz> !tell backports
[01:01] <renedox> what is this "smart upgrade" thing I need to do to update firefox?
[01:01] <eythian> Is it possible to add things to the 'Places' menu?
[01:01] <mahangu> ubotu, tell vbgunz about backports
[01:01] <Ng> mahangu: check the RestrictedFormats wiki entry, it tells you what repositories to add
[01:02] <locomorto> renedox: vlc has really has a not so nice a GUI
[01:02] <poningru_study> eythian: not right now
[01:02] <mahangu> Ng, is it difficult to install the w32codecs with it?
[01:02] <p0windah> totem is as bad as vlc
[01:02] <eythian> poningru_study, OK. How about in Breezy?
[01:02] <Ng> poningru_study: well it kind of is becaue the places menu shows bookmarks and connected servers
[01:02] <locomorto> renedox: but I do use it for h264 video (DigiLifeTv)
[01:02] <Ng> so add the thing you want as a bookmark,or connect to it ;)
[01:02] <vbgunz> thanks fellas, how can I get ubotu to tell me these things? I know ubotu had the info but how do I request it?
[01:02] <locomorto> btw Digital Life TV is really nice
[01:02] <mahangu_study> that's better
[01:02] <mahangu_study> ill bbiab guys
[01:02] <locomorto> Think iptv + podcast + the screen savers
[01:02] <renedox> locomorto: I find VLC plays things a lot better than totem
[01:02] <eythian> rhythmbox is a surprisingly nice player. It's no amaroK, but it's also smaller and simpler.
[01:03] <mahangu_study> eythian, it wotn play mp3s
[01:03] <locomorto> renedox: do you use totem-xine?
[01:03] <mahangu_study> wierd
[01:03] <renedox> locomorto: where totem skips on things, VLC doesn't
[01:03] <mahangu_study> rythmbox for is wierd
[01:03] <renedox> locomorto: no, I use VLC
[01:03] <vbgunz> ubotu: tell vbgunz about backports
[01:03] <eythian> mahangu_study, tell that to my one, which is playing them fine.
[01:03] <mahangu_study> eythian, did you install anything?
[01:03] <vbgunz> ahh I see, thanks!
[01:03] <locomorto> renedox: nono do you the totem xine package installed?
[01:03] <eythian> yeah
[01:03] <locomorto> renedox: its a different backend to totem
[01:03] <eythian> It wouldn't play them initially. I think it was gstreamer-mad or similar
[01:03] <renedox> locomorto: yes, I guess so
[01:03] <poningru_study> locomorto: there is not problem with the vlc gui
[01:04] <locomorto> renedox: did you explicitly install it
[01:04] <poningru_study> its intuitive than totem imho
[01:04] <renedox> locomorto: no
[01:04] <crispynix> heh, GNOME still lacks decent audio and video players? I've long since settled in with kaffeine-xine for _all_ vids and amarok-xine for _most_ music (xmms for mods, still).
[01:04] <locomorto> renedox: give it a shot
[01:04] <locomorto> poningru: seriously have actually even compared them?
[01:04] <renedox> locomorto: hm.. ok, what do I actually need though?
[01:05] <eythian> hmm, I use gmplayer for videos (cos I've used mplayer forever, so have it all customised), and rhythmbox for music. Works well enough for me.
[01:05] <locomorto> poningru: The menu options in vlc are very confusing for most people
[01:05] <crispynix> speaking of mods, I really ought to get around to converting them to vorbis or something...
[01:05] <locomorto> renedox: just totem-xine and totem
[01:05] <renedox> locomorto: ok, going to install them now :)
[01:05] <locomorto> renedox: I think totem-xine does not depend on anything but totem
[01:06] <locomorto> But still keep vlc/mplayer around for the view quirky videos
[01:06] <locomorto> few*
[01:06] <renedox> locomorto: hm.. I get 404
[01:06] <locomorto> damn pheontics
[01:06] <locomorto> odd, you can try using a mirror
[01:06] <locomorto> Sometimes that happens to me as well
[01:06] <renedox> how?
[01:07] <locomorto> !repos
[01:07] <ubotu> rumour has it, repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[01:07] <topyli> locomorto: i would guess totem-xine does depend on xine-libs
[01:07] <morbidi> hello
[01:07] <morbidi> my mouse doesn't work
[01:07] <renedox> oh, I already have all repos ticked
[01:07] <morbidi> it's a ps/2 mouse
[01:07] <locomorto> topyli: thats the thing, I thought it didn't. Although i'm not 100%
[01:07] <morbidi> does anyone got the same problem ?
[01:08] <kbrooks> "Windows chauffeurs you around; Linux hands you the keys and puts you in the driver's seat. If you can't drive, that's your problem. And your fault."
[01:08] <aftertaf> kbrooks:  thats a bit harsh, dont you think?
[01:08] <eythian> morbidi, my PS/2 mouse works completely problem free (except that for some reason MS doesn't make Linux drivers for it :)
[01:09] <morbidi> :(
[01:09] <kbrooks> aftertaf: not harsh.
[01:09] <morbidi> my mouse doesn't work :((((
[01:09] <eythian> does it not work at all, or does it behave strange?
[01:09] <kbrooks> you have to work for what you want for all operating systems
[01:09] <morbidi> eythian: not work at all in linux
[01:09] <aftertaf> its the 'and your fault' bit i find harsh..;;. just my 2p
[01:10] <morbidi> in windows it is just fine :|
[01:10] <kbrooks> "Windows is created for non-tech users. The widespread perception amongst those users is that Linux is hard to use. This is not the case, but it's an understandable misconception.
[01:10] <kbrooks> "
[01:10] <kbrooks> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:10] <aftertaf> without having driving lessons, you dont know how to drive
[01:10] <poningru_study> kbrooks: this is a forum for user support take theory and philosophy elsewhere
[01:10] <eythian> morbidi, hmm. I can't be too much help, I've never had problems with any of mine, but I'll try. Does the mouse light up? (assuming it's optical)
[01:11] <Nvidiot> where do I go to *enable* the screensaver when I unplug my laptop? When on AC it runs the screensaver, but as soon as I unplug it stops
[01:11] <aftertaf>  #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:11] <kbrooks> aftertaf: and windows drives you around. anyway
[01:11] <morbidi> eythian: my mouse has got a ball
[01:11] <poningru_study> morbidi: what model and company is your mouse?
[01:11] <morbidi> logitech
[01:11] <poningru_study> morbidi: it doesnt work at all?
[01:11] <poningru_study> like no movement nothing?
[01:11] <morbidi> poningru_study: cordless wheel mouse
[01:12] <poningru_study> oh
[01:12] <morbidi> poningru_study: yes
[01:12] <poningru_study> doh
[01:12] <poningru_study> morbidi: if its cordless you absolutely need drivers
[01:12] <morbidi> poningru_study: ?
[01:12] <morbidi> what drivers ?
[01:12] <poningru_study> morbidi: I need the model number for that
[01:13] <eythian> poningru_study, that's not right\
[01:13] <poningru_study> eythian: for logitech it is
[01:13] <eythian> poningru_study, I have a cordless MS mouse that works fine
[01:13] <eythian> poningru_study, ahh, OK.
[01:13] <morbidi> poningru_study: ok, but does logitech gives the drivers ?
[01:13] <poningru_study> nope
[01:14] <poningru_study> people create it themselves
[01:14] <morbidi> where can I get them ?
[01:14] <poningru_study> and give it out
[01:14] <poningru_study> morbidi: you have to search for it
[01:14] <poningru_study> but it depends on your model number
[01:14] <poningru_study> whats the model number of your mouse?
[01:15] <Nvidiot> http://colas.nahaboo.net/anyboard/MouseWheel/posts/1209.html <- try the config they list there
[01:15] <morbidi> Nvidiot: I tryied that already
[01:15] <morbidi> poningru_study: where does it say that ?
[01:15] <poningru_study> morbidi: no clue it could be on the packaging or on the bottom of the mouse
[01:16] <poningru_study> or on the part that connects to the computer
[01:16] <poningru_study> dont know
[01:16] <boxerboy29> does anyone know if opera download site having issues?
[01:16] <poningru_study> boxerboy29: it looks ok
[01:16] <morbidi> it is part of the cordless desktop
[01:17] <morbidi> poningru_study: there's a bunch of numbers
[01:17] <morbidi> and letters
[01:17] <morbidi> can't tell you the model :|
[01:17] <poningru_study> morbidi: hmm
[01:17] <boxerboy29> ive downloaded it 5 times in 12 hrs and it just wont install. it installed before i had to reinstall breezy but now it wont :(
[01:18] <morbidi> poningru_study: Fcc Id ?
[01:19] <poningru_study> morbidi: doubt that will help
[01:19] <morbidi> cept lpd  i
[01:19] <morbidi> ?
[01:19] <eythian> can't you look up model numbers from the FCC id somewhere?
[01:19] <poningru_study> so you cant find anything like a model number or anything?
[01:19] <morbidi> nope :|
[01:19] <poningru_study> hmm weird
[01:20] <Ng> boxerboy29: when you say it won't install, what happens?
[01:20] <Ng> I downloaded a .deb of 8.5 from opera yesterday and dpkg installed it fine
[01:20] <mdeboer> hi. i specified some hostnames in my /etc/hosts file, but it doesn't work... do i need to do something special on ubuntu?
[01:20] <boxerboy29> it unpacks fine gives me my command line than either i make a launcher for it and open it it doesnt open or i type opera and it doesnt give me the installer
[01:21] <dooglus> boxerboy29: why not support a free browser project like firefox, galeon or seamonkey instead of a proprietary one?
[01:21] <Ng> mdeboer: check /etc/nsswitch.conf has "file" in the "hosts" section?
[01:21] <Nvidiot> where do I go to *enable* the screensaver when I unplug my laptop? When on AC it runs the screensaver, but as soon as I unplug it stops
[01:21] <poningru_study> ok I should go to sleep
[01:21] <boxerboy29> dooglus i have firefow and opera is free
[01:21] <poningru_study> night guys
[01:21] <dooglus> boxerboy29: opera is still proprietary, last I heard
[01:21] <mdeboer> Ng: yes, hosts: files dns
[01:22] <dooglus> boxerboy29: it's about as free as IE
[01:22] <boxerboy29> lol
[01:22] <Ng> mdeboer: then entries in /etc/hosts should work pretty much immediately
[01:22] <mdeboer> Ng: that's what i thought...
[01:22] <mdeboer> Ng: weird.
[01:23] <rekrutacja> do you know when exactly final release of breezy will be avalaible?
[01:23] <boxerboy29> 13th
[01:23] <mdeboer> from /etc/hosts:   <IP_ADDRESS>      foobar
[01:23] <rekrutacja> bozerboy29 thanks
[01:23] <boxerboy29> yw
[01:23] <SuperNinjaKitty> dooglus i heard opera was free now... could have been mistaken
[01:23] <dooglus> rekrutacja: I don't think anyone does yet - nobody knows what last minute showstopper bug might turn up...
[01:23] <mdeboer> but: host foobar returns: Host foobar not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[01:24] <dooglus> SuperNinjaKitty: it's free as in beer, not as in speech.
[01:24] <Nvidiot> dooglus: I was typing that! :P
[01:24] <SuperNinjaKitty> free as in beer is a start
[01:24] <morbidi> I'm going to reinstall it
[01:24] <topyli> SuperNinjaKitty: you can download it FOR free, ie. no money needed. i haven't seen any source
[01:24] <morbidi> the first time worked
[01:24] <morbidi> and it stoped working
[01:24] <morbidi> btw
[01:24] <Prof_Frink> dooglus: Still cheaper than the 1 soul (human) that IE costs ;)
[01:25] <morbidi> I've got a KVM switch
[01:25] <SuperNinjaKitty> topyli i am not going to edit the source anyhow
[01:25] <morbidi> brb
[01:25] <dooglus> Prof_Frink: you can chose to sell your soul to opera or to MS - the cost is the same.  (1 soul)
[01:25] <topyli> SuperNinjaKitty: i'm not going to hack the emacs lisp code either. that's not the point
[01:26] <eythian> morbidi, try bypassing the KVM, and only change it when the computer is off (ps/2 is not alway hot-swappable)
[01:26] <boxerboy29> i meant to ask what is an emac besides a text editer?
[01:26] <dooglus> SuperNinjaKitty: the majority of americans never leave the states.  so would it be OK if they weren't allowed to leave the country?
[01:26] <eythian> boxerboy29, well...it's also an operating system :)
[01:27] <Nvidiot> emacsOS :D
[01:27] <topyli> boxerboy29: "emacs is my operating system, linux just provides the device drivers" :-)
[01:27] <SuperNinjaKitty> dooglus it isnt the same, apples and oranges comparison
[01:27] <boxerboy29> ohhhhhhh
[01:27] <dooglus> SuperNinjaKitty: it's about freedom
[01:28] <SuperNinjaKitty> dooglus i agree freedom to use the best software you can\
[01:28] <boxerboy29> im gonna assume nad say emacs isnt linux
[01:28] <dooglus> with opera you have no way of getting a change made to the browser unless opera want to make it.  with a free program you can make the change yourself, or pay someone else, anyone else, to make it for you.
[01:28] <topyli> boxerboy29: it also has a psychiatrist, most internet tools, games, office tools, multimedia of course...
[01:29] <SuperNinjaKitty> dooglus then i am free to use a different browser
[01:29] <rekrutacja> there is a video of shuttleworth sppech about ubuntu on defcon when he explains why free as in beer is as much imprtant as free as in speech
[01:29] <rekrutacja> http://dc5video.debian.net/mpeg/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttleworth.mpeg
[01:29] <dooglus> SuperNinjaKitty: you're free to use whatever you like, subject to the appropriate licenses
[01:29] <eythian> boxerboy29, It started as a powerfully extendible text editor. It then got extended to be Everything Else.
[01:29] <boxerboy29> cool
[01:30] <topyli> text editor from hell
[01:30] <topyli> says a well known finnish kernel hacker
[01:30] <dooglus> rekrutacja: there's a .ogg file that's about half the size of the mpeg
[01:30] <Nvidiot> just replace /sbin/init with emacs :)
[01:31] <topyli> well, linux was originally just a terminal emulator :)
[01:31] <dooglus> Emacs is still single-threaded, isn't it?
[01:32] <eythian> dooglus, as far as I'm aware
[01:32] <dooglus> that makes it a little less than useful as 'an OS' then...
[01:32] <Nvidiot> bah, who needs multi-threading
[01:32] <topyli> dooglus: it's more of an operating environment. you still need a shell etc. to access through it
[01:32] <eythian> naww, you can probably make it multithreaded in a few lines of LISP :)
[01:33] <dooglus> topyli: and 'sudo vi' doesn't work well inside it :)
[01:33] <topyli> (((((require 'multi-thread))))
[01:33] <Nvidiot> I don't have a problem with most programming languages, but lisp... *shudder*
[01:33] <topyli> dooglus: why not. just use eshell and you can run anything
[01:33] <dooglus> LISP's one of the simplest programming languages there is
[01:34] <Nvidiot> the brackets drive me nuts
[01:34] <eythian> lisp is a very good language once you use it a bit. And the brackets thing is irrelevant if you use a good editor (e.g. emacs :)
[01:34] <Whyvas> basic is easier
[01:34] <dooglus> topyli: anything which doesn't require terminal handling capabilities...
[01:34] <ultramancool> hi
[01:34] <VoX> any squid guru's around bychance?
[01:34] <Whyvas> how do you edit the startup services in ubuntu?
[01:34] <Whyvas> edit the rc.d files manually?
[01:34] <Nvidiot> I'll stick with C++ or so :)
[01:34] <ultramancool> Whyvas look in /etc/init.d
[01:34] <Whyvas> there's a service icon, but it doesn't let you do much
[01:34] <ultramancool> Whyvas and /etc/rc*.d
[01:35] <Whyvas> there's no gui to do it?
[01:35] <ultramancool> Whyvas not to my knowledge
[01:35] <ultramancool> Whyvas: but it's fairly simple
[01:35] <Whyvas> and i thought this was linux for real people
[01:35] <Whyvas> yeah i know
[01:35] <ultramancool> Whyvas: :D
[01:35] <Whyvas> i just thought they would of made it easy for me
[01:35] <dooglus> Whyvas: there's "sysv-rc-conf" which is a kind-of text-based gui...
[01:35] <eythian> Whyvas, real people don't need to go editing /etc/init.d :)
[01:35] <ultramancool> Whyvas: they're nice but not that nice :D
[01:36] <Whyvas> haha
[01:36] <topyli> Whyvas: try sysv-rc-conf. also, breezy has a gui tool
[01:36] <Whyvas> yeah?
[01:36] <ultramancool> Whyvas: let's write a gui for rm while we're at it :)
[01:36] <Whyvas> i have yesterday's breezy build
[01:36] <dooglus> topyli: breezy's gui tool is pretty poor - it only shows some of the entries, and doesn't let you edit the runlevels at all...
[01:36] <ultramancool> Whyvas: lucky :-(
[01:37] <mahangu> how can i run a console as root?
[01:37] <mahangu> there is a GUI option for it
[01:37] <mahangu> but i cant do CTRL ALT F1 and run as root
[01:37] <ultramancool> mahangu: sudo -s i belive
[01:37] <Prof_Frink> sudo su
[01:37] <Ng> dooglus: didn't they take it out?
[01:37] <dooglus> mahangu: "sudo -i"
[01:37] <eythian> mahangu, log in as a user, and do sudo -s
[01:37] <topyli> dooglus: true. i'm not really interested in runlevels anyway
[01:37] <ultramancool> mahangu: majority rules, "sudo -s"
[01:37] <Whyvas> yeah i found the breezy tool, it doesn't let you do much
[01:37] <Nvidiot> sudo su
[01:37] <Nvidiot> :P
[01:37] <dooglus> Ng: no, it's still there in system->administration->services
[01:37] <Whyvas> ultramancool there is a gui for rm
[01:38] <Whyvas> filemanager!
[01:38] <Ng> dooglus: ah yes, it was the Boot one they removed
[01:38] <ultramancool> Whyvas: i know i was just kidding
[01:38] <boxerboy29> i heard sudo -i is safer  and no im not sure what he menat by safer
[01:38] <boxerboy29> meant*
[01:38] <Whyvas> so i couldn't get my mplayer working in firefox
[01:38] <Whyvas> any ideas?
[01:38] <eythian> boxerboy29, they do almost the same thing, -i just treats the new shell as a login environment, that's about it.
[01:38] <ultramancool> Whyvas: thinking of a tool where you start it, it ask you what file to remove, and then removes it :D
[01:38] <boxerboy29> oh ok
[01:38] <Whyvas> it buffers up to 99% then just sits there doing nothing
[01:39] <lastnode> this is teh awesome
[01:39] <dooglus> aah.  it's even worse that I thought - all it does now is pops up a box telling me I typed my password wrong!!!
[01:39] <Drakeson> I have apt-get'ed kernel 2.6.10  how can i install it?
[01:39] <Whyvas> dooglus did you set your root password?
[01:39] <dooglus> Whyvas: I did
[01:39] <ultramancool> Drakeson, did you get the image or the source?
[01:39] <Nvidiot> iirc it automatically installs the kernel too
[01:39] <Whyvas> hehe
[01:39] <Whyvas> dooglus: reinstall!
[01:39] <mahangu> ok i figured out how i can share screens between x and console
[01:39] <dooglus> Whyvas: reinstall what?
[01:39] <Whyvas> ubuntu
[01:40] <freshmint> HI. Got a Hardware questioin: Are external CD/DVD RW drives a problem with linux/fc3?
[01:40] <mahangu> it lists the screen but says there is no unattached screen
[01:40] <eythian> mahangu, screen -dr ?
[01:40] <dooglus> Whyvas: why?
[01:40] <Whyvas> i like chicken!
[01:40] <Whyvas> well i don't know how you'd reset your root password
[01:40] <ultramancool> Whyvas, boot in single user mode
[01:41] <Whyvas> try your regular user password
[01:41] <boxerboy29> doent the passwd command do that?
[01:41] <dooglus> Whyvas: "sudo passwd -l" re-locks it
[01:41] <lastnode> fecking awesome
[01:41] <lastnode> woo
[01:41] <Prof_Frink> There's commands at the evil website that must not be named ;)
[01:41] <ultramancool> who ever asked, boot in single user mode
[01:41] <lastnode> haha this rocks
[01:41] <lastnode> thanks eythian
[01:41] <lastnode> :)
[01:41] <eythian> lastnode, waddid I do?
[01:41] <Dreamglider> freshmint, i have a external cd+rw drive, it works fine here.
[01:42] <freshmint> Dreamglider, well thx, so they arent generally unknow for linux.
[01:42] <StylusEater_Work> has anyone had any luck with usb wireless g cards?
[01:42] <lastnode> eythian: screen -dr :)
[01:43] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: i use wifi, currently not sure if b/g
[01:43] <lastnode> but i think this machine does both
[01:43] <lastnode>  bg 2200 chipset
[01:43] <eythian> lastnode, ah :) another good one is screen -x
[01:43] <Dreamglider> i belive so, both my external hdd's and the cd driver work
[01:43] <Dreamglider> drive*
[01:43] <Drakeson> ultramancool: headers and source tree. (kernel)
[01:43] <aftertaf> screen -dr? wassat do?
[01:43] <StylusEater_Work> lastnode: I have a powerbook with a broadcom chip in it...but I've heard the ma111 b usb key works from netgear...and I want wireless but I would prefer g over b
[01:44] <Dreamglider> back to work. later.....
[01:44] <Prof_Frink> Hehe, I just got an email saying I can now order Breezy shipit CDs. I ordered a couple of weeks ago...
[01:44] <eythian> aftertaf, 'd'etach a running screen and 'r'eattach it to here
[01:44] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[01:44] <lastnode> ubotu: tell StylusEater_Work about wifi
[01:44] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: ubotu has a nice list mate
[01:45] <IorGie> Hello, i have some trouble with samba...
[01:45] <lastnode> in irssi how do i part a query?
[01:46] <StylusEater_Work> lastnode: /part
[01:46] <StylusEater_Work> lastnode: so the broadcom works it says but I have to use ndiswrapper?
[01:46] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: ndiswrapper is pretty simple
[01:46] <lastnode> you just need to modprobe it
[01:47] <lastnode> your inbuilt wifi doesnt work? whydya go for an apple btw
[01:47] <Nvidiot> ndiswrapper -i driver.inf && modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:47] <Nvidiot> that's it :)
[01:47] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: there you go :)
[01:47] <lastnode> btw /part didn't work
[01:47] <lastnode> guys, rhythmbox still wont play mp3s
[01:47] <lastnode> any idea why?
[01:47] <lastnode> i got gstreamer-mad
[01:47] <Drakeson> a silly problem! : I have created an extra user (through kuser), added it to adm, admin, sudo, and now when I open a terminal with that account sudo doesn't ask the password!!!
[01:48] <Drakeson> is sudo stable?
[01:48] <Drakeson> sounds like it may cause severe security problems (at least in its current state)
[01:48] <eythian> lastnode, I'll have a look, but it works fine for me
[01:48] <lastnode> eythian: thanks, when you have the time mate
[01:48] <StylusEater_Work> lastnode: I bought a powerbook b/c I like OS-X
[01:48] <StylusEater_Work> but I found out...not as much as I like Linux
[01:48] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: oh, and you're using ubuntu side by side dual boot?
[01:48] <lastnode> i agree, powerbooks are teh sexy
[01:49] <lastnode> btw, anyone here using bitchx?
[01:49] <boxerboy29> not right now but i have
[01:49] <fortune|cowsay> Drakeson: sudo (and gksudo) won't ask for your password again for 15 minutes (from the same shell)
[01:49] <aftertaf> Drakeson:  remove him from sudo.
[01:49] <lastnode> boxerboy29: how do you switch windows?
[01:49] <lastnode> as in, channels
[01:49] <aftertaf> give him sudo rights with sudoers
[01:49] <dbzdeath> my pc sometimes runs out of both ram and swap and then basically freezes up... i have to hit ctrl + alt + backspace and wait 5 mins till X is killed... is there a way to get the task that is using the most ram/swap automatically killed when the total usage gets too high?
[01:49] <boxerboy29> cant you use same command as in xchat?
[01:50] <Whyvas> dbzdeath, try using fluxbox
[01:50] <lastnode> boxerboy29: im on console, with irssi
[01:50] <lastnode> dbzdeath: or ice wm
[01:50] <eythian> lastnode, OK, I have installed gstreamer0.8-* pretty much, and it seems to be one of them that does it. If I can dig up an install log, I'll see if I can find what it was a bit more accurately.
[01:50] <dbzdeath> lastnode: i don't really like either of those...i use xfce4
[01:50] <lastnode> eythian: thanks don't sweat it
[01:50] <Whyvas> it still freezes with xfce?
[01:50] <Whyvas> how much ram do you have?
[01:50] <Whyvas> and hd?
[01:50] <lastnode> dbzdeath: if it freezes with xfce something IS wrong
[01:50] <boxerboy29> lastnode try  /join than the channel name
[01:51] <lastnode> boxerboy29: ok, i haven't used it in ages, just apt-getting it
[01:51] <lastnode> btw what was that public shell place that gave free shells?
[01:51] <dbzdeath> lastnode: it doesn't freeze it just gets so slow that the mouse is lagging and it takes like a minute or two till X will be killed after hitting ctrl + alt + backspace
[01:51] <boxerboy29> i havent used it since i found out xchat likes me better
[01:51] <lastnode> boxerboy29: i like xchat too, but i mean console
[01:51] <StylusEater_Work> lastnode: I love powerpc's
[01:51] <Whyvas> dbzdeath how much ram/hd space?
[01:51] <lastnode> is there an IM program for the console?
[01:51] <dbzdeath> Whyvas: 1gb ram 2 gb swap ... hdd space is plenty
[01:51] <lastnode> StylusEater_Work: so i gathered :)
[01:52] <dbzdeath> 6.7gb free
[01:52] <Whyvas> ??
[01:52] <lastnode> dbzdeath: tjat
[01:52] <eythian> lastnode, synaptic doesn't seem to keep logs, so I can't be sure. But I'm sure it was a gstreamer thing.
[01:52] <Whyvas> what are you doing?
[01:52] <lastnode> dbzdeath: sorry, i was gonna say that's really wierd
[01:52] <lastnode> eythian: ok cool
[01:52] <dbzdeath> Whyvas: loading up a lot of crap
[01:52] <boxerboy29> i saw naim last night its something ive never seen before lol
[01:52] <Shin_Gouki> ohaio!
[01:52] <lastnode> eythian: ever got gmail to work with a console email reader?
[01:52] <Whyvas> that's insane
[01:53] <dbzdeath> Whyvas: haha *makes mental note... setup ssh for the future..*
[01:53] <Determinist> k guys, bbl, going home :P
[01:53] <pir> Helo, Can some explain to me what is the deference between monitoring and scanning , in wireless (kismet) ? Thanks.
[01:53] <eythian> lastnode, a console IM program is centericq (it's multiprotocol, including jabber which is the only one that matters:) ... as for gmail, never tried but it should work, it supports POP3 I think.
[01:54] <lastnode> eythian: you use pine or mutt? im new to console.. how the fff do you config them?
[01:54] <lastnode> centericq does msn / yahoo?
[01:54] <Drakeson> what do I need to build-kpkg?
[01:55] <crabstic> #join kubuntu
[01:55] <eythian> lastnode, I used to use both mutt and pine. The bast way to configure mutt is to get someone elses config file and edit it :)
[01:55] <eythian> lastnode, centericq does msn and yahoo I think. I only use Jabber.
[01:55] <lastnode> eythian: thanks a lot mate
[01:55] <liable> err /j #kubuntu...
[01:56] <eythian> lastnode, oh, and wrt to MP3s, libid3tag0 and libmpeg2-4 may also help.
[01:56] <eythian> (I found synaptic does keep logs after all)
[01:56] <lastnode> eythian, thanks will apt-get them
[01:56] <lastnode> im sort of in love with console here and feel stingy to go back to X
[01:56] <lastnode> :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> looool lastnode
[01:57] <aftertaf> you are a full geek now :)
[01:57] <eythian> lastnode, the console is good. But I spent a long while in very minimal environments, now I like to enjoy the power of a full desktop environment :)
[01:57] <lastnode> eythian: :)
[01:57] <aftertaf> and lastnode you cant run frozen bubble in console ;)
[01:58] <lastnode> aftertaf: good point
[01:58] <Nvidiot> you can run doom in console tho :)
[01:58] <Shin_Gouki> hello! i have an unsusual question: i', looking for an GREAT archive of images, or a search engine which can list me svg files form the internet, anyone ideas?
[01:58] <eythian> lastnode, also, look into playing movies with mplayer and aalib or libcaca, then you'll have a true console experience. th
[01:58] <boxerboy29> you can run aim in console as soon as i figure it out
[01:58] <boxerboy29> lol
[01:59] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, google? use filetype:svg perhaps?
[01:59] <lastnode> eythian: you mean sound only? :)
[01:59] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, unfortunaly it only supports: jpg, gif , png :/
[01:59] <eythian> lastnode, hell no! full screen video in the console! all text mode!
[01:59] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, but i need svg!!
[02:00] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, nu uh: http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=filetype%3Asvg+test&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[02:00] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, if u know someone who can draw nice at the computer , it doenst have to be art
[02:00] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, heh, I'm about as artistic as a monkey with a box of crayons.
[02:00] <lastnode> eythian: no way, you're shitting me
[02:01] <eythian> lastnode, nope :)
[02:01] <StylusEater_Work> eythian: sometimes they can be very artistic...you sure you're that artistic?
[02:01] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, ur a genius, i misschoosed the image sections so there were no results, Thank u VERY much :)
[02:01] <looksaus> what's the easiest way to sync evolution between my desktop and laptop
[02:01] <looksaus> ?
[02:01] <andril> hello all
[02:02] <looksaus> I mean everything: mail, calendar, tasks?
[02:02] <Shin_Gouki> eythian, the only problem is now that i dont have any thumbnail preview right? i got to live with that i guess ^^
[02:02] <Nvidiot> use an imap mailserver?
[02:02] <all4n> are there any howto's yet for installing nvidia-glx with breezy?
[02:02] <looksaus> Nvidiot, mail AND ...
[02:02] <eythian> StylusEater_Work, heh, maybe I was overestimating myself some
[02:02] <looksaus> I wonder how far scp'ing the whole thing would get me
[02:03] <eythian> Shin_Gouki, no worries :)
[02:03] <looksaus> scp -r .evolution laptop:~/
[02:03] <boxerboy29> all4n look in your help guide (not sure if it will help) but they put an unoffical breezy guide in htere
[02:05] <eythian> lastnode, http://www.kallisti.net.nz/~robin/Screenshot-MPlayer.png
[02:05] <Hendric> wats the command to remove the ntp.ubuntulinux... sync? someone here told me.. i forgot.
[02:05] <boxerboy29> im getting the feeling nvidia and linux dont play well together
[02:05] <eythian> lastnode, that's a shot of the output from: mplayer -vo caca T3-international-tlr_m480.mov
[02:06] <fortune|cowsay> looksaus: perhaps have a look at "multisync" (although i'm not sure how it goes for evolution to evolution syncing)
[02:06] <eythian> boxerboy29, I use nvidia fine on Linux. Proprietory drivers unfortunately, but it works fine
[02:06] <looksaus> fortune|cowsay, will do, thx
[02:06] <fortune|cowsay> looksaus: yw :)
[02:06] <eythian> Hendric, remove it from /etc/ntpd.conf?
[02:06] <boxerboy29> i always see the same things tho in forums about them
[02:06] <lastnode> eythian: cant copy that uri, im in console
[02:06] <lastnode> or i dont know how to :)
[02:07] <Hendric> eythian, no.. there is command like" ntpdate remove" something.. i forgot the exact syntax
[02:07] <eythian> boxerboy29, I've only had issues caused by an underrated PSU causing the drivers and the card to flake. Otherwise it's been fine
[02:07] <dooglus> Whyvas: turned out it was nothing to do with the root password...
[02:07] <eythian> lastnode, duh. I guess a .png is no good then :) However, you _do_ have GPM installed right?
[02:08] <Hendric> dooglus, can you tell me to remove ntpdate during startup??
[02:08] <dooglus> Whyvas: the problem was that I had commented the "root    ALL=(ALL) ALL" line in /etc/sudoers several weeks ago.  I couldn't see why it was needed, since root can do everything already.
[02:08] <Hendric> dooglus, can you tell me the command to remove ntpdate during startup??
[02:08] <dooglus> Hendric: sure.
[02:08] <dooglus> Hendric: just a sec...
[02:08] <lastnode> eythian: yeah i gotta get xchat and get that link from you
[02:08] <Hendric> dooglus, tnx
[02:08] <looksaus> fortune|cowsay, it looks as if there is an evo 2 plugin, but not
[02:09] <eythian> lastnode, apt-get install gpm, and then you have console mouse support
[02:09] <nlogax> exit
[02:09] <looksaus> packaged, and only in cvs... :(
[02:09] <fortune|cowsay> looksaus: ah, ok :/
[02:10] <dooglus> Hendric: do you have packed 'file-rc' installed?  I don't know if it comes as standard
[02:11] <Hendric> dooglus, i have..
[02:12] <lastnode> eythian: how can i screenshot a console?
[02:12] <fortune|cowsay> Hendric: one (somewhat kludgy) way is "sudo rm /etc/rc*.d/S*ntp*"
[02:12] <aftertaf> Hendric:  sudo update-rc.d -f remove ntpdate
[02:12] <aftertaf> is another
[02:12] <fortune|cowsay> that's a less kludgy way :P
[02:12] <dooglus> aftertaf: I think that only works if you remove the /etc/init.d/ntpdate script?
[02:12] <eythian> lastnode, umm. I've seen it done. I think you can do something like grab the /dev/console/n or whatever the device file is called, and that's a text dump of it.
[02:13] <aftertaf> dooglus:  it dont remove the init.d script, just the symlinks in rcX.d
[02:13] <lastnode> ah
[02:13] <Hendric> aftertaf, thats wat im looking for
[02:13] <aftertaf> iirc
[02:13] <Hendric> oh.. its wrong aftertaf...
[02:13] <Hendric> should be, sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[02:13] <dooglus> aftertaf: I know, but it only removes the symlinks if the script is already gone
[02:14] <eythian> lastnode, DO NOT TOUCH /dev/console!
[02:14] <eythian> I did it just as an experiment and lost keyboard input.
[02:14] <aftertaf> dooglus:  really?
[02:14] <eythian> Which is fine in X, I could use the mouse to kill the process. Not so hot in console only
[02:14] <lastnode> eythian: didnt :)
[02:14] <lastnode> thanks
[02:14] <aftertaf> loool eythian :)
[02:14] <dooglus> aftertaf: unless you specify '-f'
[02:15] <aftertaf> i did specify -f i did i did ;)
[02:15] <eythian> good :)
[02:15] <dooglus> aftertaf: which, of course, is what you said originally :)  yeah...
[02:15] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:15] <Hendric> aftertaf: should be, sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[02:15] <dooglus> yay
[02:15] <aftertaf> yeah Hendric you are right on that
[02:15] <aftertaf> i furbied the syntax
[02:15] <aftertaf> hey, ive only had ubuntu 2 months ;)
[02:15] <Hendric> tnx to all.. restarting
[02:16] <Hendric> i've had linux for 5 days
[02:16] <aftertaf> cool
[02:16] <aftertaf> friday is your 1 week anniversary dude
[02:16] <eythian> lastnode, a safer way that also works: copy the contents of /dev/vcsX (where X is the console you want). It's a plain text dump of the screen
[02:16] <Hendric> how can i disable this update notif thing...???
[02:16] <Hendric> lolx.. been here since friday
[02:16] <lastnode> eythian: it's cool, i just wanted to send a graphical screenshot to a friend
[02:16] <lastnode> guess it cant be done
[02:16] <lastnode> :)
[02:16] <eythian> lastnode, oh, no graphics.
[02:17] <aftertaf> lastnode:  digital photo ?
[02:17] <Hendric> dooglus,  how can i disable this update notif thing...???
[02:17] <aftertaf> what update notif thing?
[02:17] <lastnode> aftertaf: heh :)
[02:17] <eythian> unless..you dump it, fire up X, display it into a terminal, and screenshot that :)
[02:17] <boxerboy29> the lil red ball?
[02:17] <dooglus> Hendric: why do that?
[02:17] <aftertaf> lastnode:  yeah :)
[02:17] <lastnode> wait ill screen it
[02:17] <lastnode> :)
[02:17] <aftertaf> is it a gnome thing?
[02:17] <Hendric> dooglus, cause i only update when i want to.. and don't want get notified on system tray
[02:17] <dooglus> it is
[02:17] <boxerboy29> its one of the things i like about ubuntu
[02:18] <aftertaf> remove from panel....
[02:18] <boxerboy29> debian sarge doesnt have it  :(
[02:18] <aftertaf> boxerboy29:  little red ball?
[02:18] <Nvidiot> http://clan-rag.gameparty.net/bitchie/case/9/index.htm <- now *THAT* is a casemod! WOW
[02:18] <Hendric> aftertaf, you can't remove it.. unless you remove the sys tray
[02:18] <boxerboy29> lol yes after
[02:18] <dooglus> aftertaf: it's not on the panel - it's in the sys tray...
[02:18] <eythian> Hendric, I'd recommend keeping it there, but if you really want I think you can right-click it and go to properties (I haven't go it up to test, I update :)
[02:18] <dooglus> Hendric: kill the process, then save your session...  I guess.
[02:18] <boxerboy29> thats the tech term for the update notifier lol
[02:19] <aftertaf> heheok
[02:19] <dooglus> Hendric: that's how I stopped all those annoying evolution processes from starting up.
[02:19] <aftertaf> i do my apt myself....
[02:19] <aftertaf> i hate thatabout gnome... it auto saves your session like that. even when borked
[02:19] <eythian> aftertaf, you can stop it doing that
[02:19] <dooglus> aftertaf: I don't think it auto-saves it - I have to tick 'save this session' when I log out if I want it saved.
[02:20] <eythian> aftertaf, system->preferences->session
[02:20] <lastnode> ok back to study
[02:20] <aftertaf> true...... but i do prefer kde..... linux gives us choice :)
[02:20] <aftertaf> looool lastnode again?
[02:20] <lastnode> is there anyway to funk up my console?
[02:20] <lastnode> like put a background?
[02:20] <lastnode> while inside X i mean
[02:20] <aftertaf> lastnode:  eterm :)
[02:21] <aftertaf> depends on console
[02:21] <dooglus> I guess he means virtual console
[02:21] <lastnode> aftertaf: apt get eterm?
[02:21] <dooglus> like Ctl-Alt-F1 console
[02:21] <eythian> lastnode, eterm, for sure. It's pretty nice. I always went for tinted translucenscy myself. (Konsole does that too)
[02:21] <Hendric> i can't kill it lol
[02:21] <aftertaf> yep lastnode what i use. though Konsole too.
[02:21] <aftertaf> Hendric:  hehe
[02:21] <dooglus> gnome-terminal even can have transparent background
[02:21] <aftertaf> gonna use konsole.....
[02:22] <lastnode> eterm is a bash clone?
[02:22] <aftertaf> lastnode:  hence screen too.... i can change terminal and recover my session :)
[02:22] <dooglus> edit->current profile->effects - can set background image or transparency
[02:22] <eythian> gnome-terminal is also translucentable
[02:22] <eythian> lastnode, it's a terminal emulator, runs in X like gnome-term and Konsole
[02:22] <dooglus> it's fake of course - it just shows your wallpaper through the background, not the windows beneath it
[02:22] <eythian> zsh is a nice bash replacement
[02:22] <eythian> dooglus, yeah, but I prefer that.
[02:22] <Jedrick> i have problem installing speedtouch it says. " no usb bus found! "
[02:22] <Jedrick> why is that?
[02:23] <eythian> which reminds me, anyone know how I can get random background switching with Gnome?
[02:23] <Hendric> if i removed everything related to cups.. should it affect any program?? coz i don't print from here...
[02:23] <lastnode> eythian: how can i set it to work on defualt?
[02:23] <Hendric> i don't want it running since i don't need it... is that cool enough?
[02:23] <eythian> lastnode, huh?
[02:23] <lastnode> ok bbiab, study
[02:24] <Jedrick> anyone?
[02:24] <eythian> Hendric, it might not let you uninstall them, they're possibly part of the base ssytem.
[02:24] <lastnode> eythian: when i click on the root terminal icon in ubuntu it pops up a terminal for me
[02:24] <lastnode> how can i get eterm to be my default?
[02:24] <Hendric> eythian, i just did.. lolx
[02:24] <CookedGryphon> can somebody help me, I can't get gaim, updates, email to work thru my uni's network
[02:25] <eythian> lastnode, preferences->preffered applications
[02:25] <CookedGryphon> but the web works fine cos i set the proxy setting seperately
[02:25] <boxerboy29> cups installs with base system so no i dont think you can get rid of all cups related items but never done it either
[02:25] <Jedrick> can someone help me please
[02:25] <eythian> Hendric, OK then, I guess it's safe :)
[02:25] <Jedrick> i have problem installing speedtouch it says. " no usb bus found! "
[02:25] <dooglus> Hendric: you don't need cups if you don't print...
[02:25] <eythian> Jedrick, what says that? The computer or the speedtouch?
[02:25] <Nvidiot> where do I go to *enable* the screensaver when I unplug my laptop? When on AC it runs the screensaver, but as soon as I unplug it stops
[02:26] <dooglus> boxerboy29: you can uninstall base components.  it tells you it's going to remove 'ubuntu-base' or some such, but you can just let it - it's only a 'meta-package' anyway
[02:26] <Hendric> dooglus, is there any way to speed up my other system.. i mean video acceleration stuffs. it got VIA CHROME onboard video
[02:26] <Jedrick> the computer
[02:26] <eythian> But make sure you reinstall ubuntu-base before you upgrade to breezy
[02:26] <boxerboy29> dooglus cups you dont need but the libs for cups you might need
[02:26] <eythian> Jedrick, do other USB devices work?
[02:27] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  is it a speedtouch usb modem?
[02:27] <Jedrick> dont know
[02:27] <Jedrick> i have only one usb attached. only the modem
[02:27] <Hendric> if i need some cups lib.. proly apt-get will tell me if i install...
[02:27] <Jedrick> yes
[02:27] <Jedrick> its a speedtouch
[02:27] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  have you ever got it working?
[02:27] <boxerboy29> true
[02:27] <Jedrick> i got the error when I issue this comand ./speedtouchconf.sh
[02:27] <eythian> Jedrick, where do you see the message? In the logs? What program is showing it?
[02:27] <ghb> Is there a pre-compiled version of Emacs available?
[02:27] <Jedrick> aftertaf: nope
[02:27] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  its the script that is at fault.
[02:27] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  using 2.0 beta or latest stable?
[02:28] <Jedrick> k how to fix this?
[02:28] <eythian> ghb, apt-get install emacs ?
[02:28] <Jedrick> latest stable
[02:28] <Jedrick> but i also have beta
[02:28] <aftertaf> oki.  try with 2.0 beta
[02:28] <dooglus> boxerboy29: if you try to uninstall the libs and it tells you it's going to take a bunch of stuff with it, just say no.  otherwise you should be fine.
[02:28] <Jedrick> ok
[02:28] <aftertaf> i used it before......
[02:28] <Jedrick> one more thing
[02:28] <aftertaf> butu now am on ethernet
[02:28] <Jedrick> about my vpi and vci
[02:28] <Jedrick> whats my vpi and vci
[02:28] <aftertaf> where are you?
[02:28] <Jedrick> im from asia
[02:28] <ghb> eythian: Doesn't work -- says that that package doesn't exist.
[02:28] <Jedrick> philippines
[02:28] <aftertaf> f*ck
[02:28] <Nvidiot> Jedrick: those are ISP specific
[02:29] <aftertaf> no idea man.
[02:29] <dooglus> ghb: compile the CVS sources - you know it makes sense!  the 'stable' emacs is really old now.
[02:29] <aftertaf> do you have zindope?
[02:29] <aftertaf> Jedrick:
[02:29] <dooglus> ghb: I think it might be 'emacs-common' you need?
[02:29] <Jedrick> dont know
[02:29] <Jedrick> i think not
[02:29] <Jedrick> im juz new to linux
[02:29] <ghb> dooglus: I'm new to Linux, so please, be gentle. =)
[02:29] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  sorry.. i should have said Windows.
[02:29] <dooglus> ghb: emacs21: usr/bin/emacs21
[02:29] <dooglus> the package 'emacs21' provides the file '/usr/bin/emacs21'
[02:30] <Jedrick> yes
[02:30] <Discipulus> Anyone here have Verizon for their DSL provider?
[02:30] <Hendric> Gartoon is so cool....
[02:30] <dooglus> ghb, if you run 'system->synaptic', you can search for packages there.
[02:30] <Discipulus> Jedrick, did you have to use a Windows machine to set it up originally?
[02:30] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  ok. the alcatel drivers should tell you, click on the taskbar icon next to the clock
[02:30] <ghb> dooglus: Can't find it. =(
[02:30] <aftertaf> speedtouch usb can be a real nightmare
[02:30] <dooglus> ghb, can you find synaptic?
[02:30] <aftertaf> been there done that, over 2 yrs with debian and mandrake
[02:31] <eythian> ghb, hit search and type in 'emacs' The package you want is emacs21
[02:31] <ghb> dooglus: I can find something that says "Add programs"
[02:31] <Discipulus> Anyone use Verizon DSL?
[02:31] <dooglus> ghb is this breezy?
[02:31] <eythian> ghb, oh...go to that 'add/remove programs' thing, and hit advanced
[02:31] <Hendric> dooglus, can you help me view movie streams on firefox.. just like the good 'ol IE days...
[02:31] <ghb> dooglus: Yeah
[02:31] <aftertaf> Jedrick:  you found the vci vpi?
[02:31] <ghb> eythian: ok. Shit, my battery is getting low..
[02:32] <dooglus> ghb, in 'system->administation->synaptic' you should see 'synapic' too.
[02:32] <eythian> actually, emacs is just in add/remvoe programs, under accessories.
[02:32] <ghb> dooglus: I'm there now.
[02:33] <dooglus> eythian: in 'add applications' I put "emacs" into the box at the bottom, hit return, and it found 3 things, but none of them were emacs!
[02:33] <Nvidiot> Embedded Video Support in Mozilla/Firefox: Many websites allow users to watch streaming audio and video online through an embedded media player. In order to get this support in Ubuntu install mplayer-386 (or the correct version for your architecture) and mozilla-mplayer from the Multiverse repository. This will allow you to play Quicktime, Windows Media, MPEG, and RealVideo streams through Mozilla and Mozilla-Firefox.
[02:33] <ghb> dooglus: Now I find a bunch of emacs
[02:33] <dooglus> ghb: good :)
[02:33] <ghb> dooglus: But which to pick?
[02:33] <lastnode> how can i kill a screen
[02:33] <lastnode> a screen that im in?
[02:33] <Nvidiot> dooglus: use the search button :)
[02:33] <dooglus> ghb: pick "emacs21"
[02:33] <aftertaf> lastnode:  CTL A + ? gives you all commands ;)
[02:33] <dooglus> Nvidiot, I reckon that's the same as hitting return.
[02:34] <eythian> lastnode, ctrl-a k I think. ctrl-a ? for help
[02:34] <Hendric> nice one Nvidiot ... gotta try that
[02:34] <Nvidiot> dooglus: uh, yea :)
[02:34] <dooglus> yup
[02:34] <ghb> dooglus: *yaaay* Now something's happening! Thank you!
[02:34] <Nvidiot> Hendric: it's on the RestrictedFormats wiki
[02:34] <dooglus> Nvidiot: my point is, it's not finding emacs.
[02:34] <eythian> heh. guess that worked
[02:34] <ghb> eythian: Yeah. =)
[02:34] <aftertaf> lol
[02:35] <eythian> Right, I'm going to bed.  Oh well.
[02:35] <lastnode> heh
[02:35] <Nvidiot> if I search for emacs in synaptic, I find a *lot* of stuff (a lot of addons as well as emacs21)
[02:36] <eythian> yep. that's cos emacs does everything
[02:36] <aftertaf> what is emacs?
[02:36] <boxerboy29> lol
[02:36] <boxerboy29> i asked that this morning
[02:36] <dooglus> Nvidiot: in synaptic, yes, but not in the "add applications" tool
[02:36] <eythian> aftertaf, it's an editor that is almost, but not quite, as good as vi :)
[02:36] <aftertaf> i thought it was like vi
[02:36] <dooglus> eythian: heh
[02:36] <Nvidiot> dooglus: oh, donno about that
[02:37] <dreamwave> good morning.  can i configure gnome to use alsa instead of esound?  what I really want is to have systems sounds come out of hw:0 and music to come out of hw:1.
[02:37] <aftertaf> but it can do everything?
[02:37] <aftertaf> !start a editor war
[02:37] <boxerboy29> emacs=text editor, computer by apple, operating system, so on and so forth :(
[02:37] <ubotu> Wish i knew, aftertaf
[02:37] <dooglus> I guess the reasoning goes: "add applications is for newbies; emacs is for wizards; let's not put emacs in 'add applications'"
[02:37] <aftertaf> !start an editor war
[02:37] <ubotu> gvim is better than emacs
[02:37] <ccooke> *laugh*
[02:37] <eythian> dooglus, makes some sense, yeah.
[02:38] <ccooke> aftertaf: how can that start a war? It's *obviously* true...
[02:38] <eythian> renedox, ah, another orcon user :)
[02:38] <aftertaf> but its just an editor? or thats were it becomes funky, right?
[02:38] <boxerboy29> anyone have a site for emac os?
[02:38] <aftertaf> lol ccooke :)
[02:38] <renedox> eythian: :)
[02:38] <dooglus> it's an editor which can read email, browse the web, play tetris, etc, etc.
[02:38] <rawiramdhan> how do I connect to windows shared folders with commands?
[02:39] <dooglus> basically it's extensible to do whatever you want it to do
[02:39] <moparfan90> hello. im trying to open a file called .xsession to add something to it... cal someone tell me what its called and where it is please
[02:39] <eythian> boxerboy29, http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html
[02:39] <rawiramdhan> moparfan90:  home folder:)
[02:39] <renedox> moparfan90: locate .xsession
[02:39] <Nvidiot> what's the difference between emacs and xemacs?
[02:39] <knubbe> Anyone who got trouble with the network after the last days updates?
[02:39] <dooglus> rawiramdhan: install smbfs, and then "alias smb-mount-server-dokumenty='sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=chris //server/dokumenty ~/smb/server/dokumenty'"
[02:39] <eythian> rawiramdhan, smbmount //computer/folder /mnt/mountpoint
[02:39] <knubbe> my eth1/wlan stopped working today. :-/
[02:39] <rawiramdhan> thanx:D
[02:40] <mirak> anyone knows how to make samba share to "just works" and "just share", because that's really a pain
[02:40] <eythian> mirak, huh?
[02:40] <moparfan90> i only have a files called .xsession-errors
[02:40] <moparfan90> not .xsession
[02:40] <mirak> eythian: I have two ubuntu box, and it doesn't work
[02:41] <dooglus> moparfan90: ubuntu doesn't use .xsession by default
[02:41] <mirak> either the server of the shares doesn't show up n nautilus
[02:41] <mirak> in
[02:41] <dooglus> moparfan90: GNOME uses ".gnomerc" instead
[02:41] <eythian> the first thing I do for smll LAN samba shares is add security = share to smb.conf
[02:41] <moparfan90> im not in gnome
[02:41] <moparfan90> blackbox
[02:41] <dooglus> moparfan90: hmmm.  don't know then.
[02:41] <moparfan90> ok
[02:42] <moparfan90> thanks any way
[02:42] <dooglus> moparfan90: try making a .xsession in your home directory
[02:42] <moparfan90> bbl
[02:42] <eythian> mirak, however, don't use samba for between Linux machines. Use NFS. Samba (used to, at least) cause me no end of problems between Linux machines.
[02:42] <mirak> eythian: so graphical tools are useless ?
[02:42] <dooglus> moparfan90: it might get run - try it!
[02:42] <renedox> um.. why are the backport repos giving 404s?
[02:42] <eythian> mirak, I've always set up samba by hand, so I'm not sure if there's a GUI way to do it. but you make that change, and all the shares should just show up in the network browser
[02:43] <renedox> does anyone know?
[02:44] <eythian> if you don't do the security=share you need to deal with accounts and so on.
[02:44] <renedox> or am I talking to myself again...? :|
[02:44] <eythian> anyway, I'm going to bed! cy'all
[02:44] <Kuolio> umm, my gnome-system-manager is crashing when I try to change my accounts password.. how do I do it from CLI?
[02:44] <renedox> 'night eythian
[02:44] <kikinovak> Hi. I'm a Slack veteran actually migrating to Ubuntu, which I like very much. I mainly used KDE until now, but GNOME seems to be better integrated (found a couple of nasty bugs in Kubuntu). Q: can I still use the odd KDE app in GNOME?
[02:44] <renedox> Kuolio: passwd
[02:44] <renedox> kikinovak: yes
[02:45] <kikinovak> renedox what will I need for this? QT? kdebase?
[02:45] <CookedGryphon> can somebody help me, I can't get gaim, updates and email to work thru my uni's network, but the net works fine, what port does the update thing use?
[02:45] <lorenzod> kikinovak: there are a few apps, such as music players that may not work so well.
[02:45] <renedox> kikinovak: no idea, kdelibs?
[02:45] <kikinovak> lorenzod sh...... because I'm a big fan of Juk
[02:46] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: it uses http or ftp, depending on what you specify in the URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <lorenzod> Well, does JuK support gstreamer?
[02:46] <Skid> kikinovak: afaik it's the qt libs you'll need
[02:46] <lorenzod> In that case you could play through that in Gnome.
[02:46] <kikinovak> what's gstreamer?
[02:46] <Kuolio> renedox: thanks :)
[02:46] <renedox> Kuolio: no problem :)
[02:46] <Skid> kikinovak: besdies, if you install via apt/synaptic - it'll show you the deps it needs
[02:46] <Hendric> anyone here tried viewing launch.yahoo.com with success?? mozilla-mplayer didn't do it...
[02:46] <aftertaf> kikinovak:  you do your apt-get install and the depepndecies will be shown ;)
[02:46] <Skid> beat ya, aftertaf ;P
[02:46] <CookedGryphon> dooglus, why won't it work then? i have set the connections settings in firefox to an autoconfig url, and then i set the same things in the preferences-network proxy box, and it doesn't work
[02:47] <kikinovak> Skid I used Debian back in 2001, so I prefer commandline apt-get
[02:47] <kikinovak> :o)
[02:47] <Skid> yeah, I came to ubuntu from debian
[02:47] <Skid> just couldn't be arsed with it for a desktop :)
[02:47] <Skid> but this has kinda breathed life back into it for me :)
[02:47] <lorenzod> kikinovac: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org
[02:47] <Skid> man, i really should go - gotta repair my partners car, of which i broke the wingmirror off, driving into a bus :O(
[02:48] <kikinovak> Skid but what's gstreamer (hands back the chocolate bar to take a bite...)
[02:48] <dooglus> CookedGryphon: I guess the update thing uses curl or wget, rather than using firefox.  I don't know where you need to put your proxy settings, but when I've been behind a nasty firewall it's worked OK
[02:48] <aftertaf> Skid:  pffffffffffffff
[02:48] <aftertaf> :p
[02:48] <Skid> kikinovak: I have not used it, so not sure :P
[02:48] <Hendric> anyone here could help me?? need to view launch.yahoo.com of similar sites in firefox (ubuntu)
[02:48] <Skid> link ^^ ;p
[02:48] <Skid> bbl ! :]
[02:48] <aftertaf> lol
[02:48] <lorenzod> gstreamer is a media framework.
[02:49] <Hendric> aftertaf, any ideas?
[02:49] <CookedGryphon> jsut a minute.. this works! xchat works and i didn't set it uip seperately, so the general proxy settings must b there right? y doesn't it work then?
[02:49] <rawiramdhan> I tried this command to connect to my windows share sudo mount -t smbfs //rawi/SharedDocs /home/administrator/ username=adminstrator
[02:49] <rawiramdhan> but it doesn't work
[02:49] <aftertaf> Hendric:  yep... Eminem is filing a lawsuit over ring tones...
[02:49] <dooglus> rawiramdhan: look at this example: sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=chris //server/dokumenty ~/smb/server/dokumenty
[02:50] <aftertaf> No plugin found for 'Shockwave Flash Media'. <<<--------there isnt one for linux
[02:50] <rawiramdhan>  sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=chris //server/dokumenty
[02:50] <rawiramdhan>                  ~/smb/server/dokumenty
[02:50] <dooglus> "-o" before the options, for example
[02:50] <lorenzod> CookedGryphon: firefox doesn't use the "general proxy" settings.
[02:50] <TobiTobsen> hi! has anybody here networkmanager running with wep?
[02:50] <Skid> feck it, i;ll take it to the garage later
[02:50] <Skid> wep's for wusses ;P
[02:50] <Skid> use mac filtering, pure speed baby ;)
[02:50] <Nvidiot> TobiTobsen: WPA-PSK here
[02:50] <aftertaf> lol Skid
[02:51] <Hendric> anyone here could help me?? need to view launch.yahoo.com and similar sites in firefox (ubuntu)
[02:51] <Skid> (mainly cos i cba setting up 17 machines with wep keys ;P)
[02:51] <TobiTobsen> my problem is that the key is in the keyringmanager and at bootup it can't access it
[02:51] <dooglus> Skid: isn't it very easy to fake your MAC address?
[02:51] <rawiramdhan> udo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=chris //server/dokumenty
[02:51] <rawiramdhan>  ~/smb/server/dokumenty
[02:51] <Nvidiot> dooglus: yes it is
[02:51] <Skid> dooglus: yep
[02:52] <Skid> BUT
[02:52] <dooglus> Skid: so re - go on?
[02:52] <Skid> eh?
[02:52] <Skid> Hendric: launch.yahoo.com works fine here?
[02:52] <CookedGryphon> lorenzod, so where do i set the general proxy settings and get everythign to use them?
[02:52] <dooglus> Skid: I was going to say something, but you stopped me with your "BUT"...
[02:52] <Skid> i forgot
[02:52] <Skid> heh
[02:52] <Skid> oh, yeah the clients here have 0 technical know how
[02:52] <Skid> and I monitor our network v.closely
[02:52] <Skid> sooooooooooo :)
[02:53] <dooglus> Skid: it's not the clients you're worried about.  it's the hacker in his car outside.
[02:53] <lorenzod> CookedGryphon: Gnome applications will use the settings in System->Preferences->Network Proxy
[02:53] <TobiTobsen> anybody an idea how to store the password permanantly in networkmanager?
[02:53] <Skid> not much signal will really leak anyway - besides there's more open wifis points here anyway :)
[02:53] <lorenzod> Firefox has its own setting, but I can't remember where, since I don't use it.
[02:53] <Hendric> Skid,  tells me i can't view videos..
[02:53] <lorenzod> Epiphany uses the Gnome proxy settings.
[02:53] <Skid> Hendric: install the flash-plugin for ffx? :)
[02:53] <CookedGryphon> lorenzod, i did that and it hasnt worked
[02:54] <Skid> ffx did it auto for me
[02:54] <CookedGryphon> synaptic for example doesn't connect
[02:54] <CookedGryphon> but xchat does
[02:54] <erich> I'd like to setup a machine which only displays the "nagios" webpage - what is the easiest way to set this up with ubuntu (i.e. which browser to display only that page etc.)?
[02:54] <Hendric> Skid, flash?? i need to view video streams.. not flash
[02:54] <Skid> ooh
[02:54] <dooglus> firefox's proxy settings are in edit->preferences->general->connection settings
[02:54] <Skid> sorr
[02:54] <lorenzod> CookedGryphon: synaptic also has its own settings.
[02:54] <CookedGryphon> i have firefox workign fine
[02:54] <lorenzod> Because synaptic is not either a Gnome application.
[02:54] <CookedGryphon> mkay
[02:54] <Skid> erich: personally i'd firewall everything off, exepct access to port 80 on the httpd's box's ip ? :P
[02:55] <Skid> or whatever port nagios uses
[02:55] <rawiramdhan>  sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=administrator  //rawi/SharedDocs ~/../rawi <== doesnt' work
[02:55] <erich> Skid: i'm referring to the UI mostly
[02:55] <Skid> oh
[02:55] <erich> Skid: so people can't mess much with the box at all. not even play solitaire on it. ;-)
[02:56] <Skid> erich: i don't really know - im sure some chap in here runs an internet cafe who restricts access
[02:56] <Skid> i guess you could alter the permissions on most binaries? :)
[02:56] <Skid> but hassle++
[02:56] <lorenzod> I have a problem in recent Nautilus: I can no longer connect to FTP "mounts".
[02:57] <rawiramdhan> administrator@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t smbfs -o password=,uid=administrator  //rawi/SharedDocs ~/../rawi
[02:57] <rawiramdhan> params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: "testparm" to check that you have not many any basic syntactic
[02:57] <rawiramdhan> why this error:S
[02:57] <lorenzod> Does anybody know if gnome-vfs uses PASV by default?
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> hi! plz dont kill me : does anybody know a good MS office tutorial(website) for Power Point?
[02:58] <erich> Skid: I wouldn't go that far; I'd just like to have a browser I can run fullscreen (with no WM or gnome panel) and maybe prevent the user from accessing any menu...
[02:58] <Skid> hmm
[02:58] <rawiramdhan> power point is sow easy:S why need a tutorial?
[02:58] <all4n> hey, I have downloaded the nvidia driver, ran it, and it compiled nicely with gcc-3.4. The problem now is that X is complaining that my nvidia kernel module is 7174, but the driver is 7667. Any ideas?
[02:58] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: your smb configuration file probably has errors.
[02:58] <Shin_Gouki> i need i want diffrent master..
[02:58] <rawiramdhan> lorenzod: its default:S
[02:59] <erich> all4n: the nvidia driver consist of two parts.
[02:59] <erich> all4n: seems like you built only one.
[02:59] <Jitsumi> YES!
[02:59] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: Well, 'defaults' have had errors before..
[02:59] <bigfoot1> anybody here using synce?
[02:59] <rawiramdhan> lorenzod: that sucks for noobs like me:S
[02:59] <bigfoot1> i need help with synce. If you use synce or know about it, raise your hand.
[02:59] <all4n> erich, wouldn't the driver I downloaded also compile a kernel module?
[02:59] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: have you tried running testparm?
[03:00] <lorenzod> It may give you some hints.
[03:00] <renedox> so... would anyone like to answer my question I asked ages ago?
[03:00] <renedox> lol
[03:00] <erich> all4n: maybe only if you tell it to do so. does it have access to your kernel headers?
[03:00] <erich> I don't have nvidia any more
[03:00] <renedox> why are the backport repos giving 404s?
[03:00] <erich> renedox: because the inofficial backports were discontinued?
[03:00] <all4n> erich, it should have..  I do have them installed. Would it not complain if they were not installed?
[03:01] <erich> all4n: also did you unload the module and load the new one?
[03:01] <all4n> erich, or if it does not have access?
[03:01] <lorenzod> renedox: because you should use the official backports instead?
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> lorenzod: params.c:Parameter() - Ignoring badly formed line in configuration file: "testparm" to check that you have not many any basic syntactic
[03:01] <all4n> erich, oh
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> Processing section "[homes] "
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> Processing section "[printers] "
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> Processing section "[print$] "
[03:01] <all4n> erich, nope. How do I do that?
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> Processing section "[Shaerd] "
[03:01] <erich> all4n: rmmod nvidia
[03:01] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: do you get that when you run testparm itself?
[03:01] <bigfoot1> nobody in this chatroom has a pocketpc+
[03:01] <bigfoot1> ?
[03:01] <rawiramdhan> yes
[03:01] <Skid> i do
[03:01] <Skid> ipaq 4150
[03:01] <Skid> :]
[03:01] <all4n> erich, okay, trying!  thanks matie!
[03:02] <rawiramdhan> and home / printers / print shared <-- these all look o.k
[03:02] <bigfoot1> rawiramdhan, skid: you do? do you sync it with ubuntu?
[03:02] <Skid> bigfoot1: synce
[03:02] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: shared or Shaerd?
[03:02] <Skid> search the forums for 'ipaq'
[03:02] <Skid> that's what I did, and I found some post on installing synce - works fine
[03:02] <bigfoot1> Skid,  i have searched forums for ipaq. I saw the howto. but it's not helping me.
[03:02] <bigfoot1> Skid, can you help me?
[03:02] <bigfoot1> please?
[03:02] <rawiramdhan> lorenzod: shaerd :)
[03:03] <Hendric> oh men.. trillian works fine on crossover... bye gaim?
[03:03] <Skid> mine just works - I checked /var/log/messages and it saw the usb connection
[03:03] <lorenzod> rawiramdhan: ok.
[03:03] <bigfoot1> Skid, i mean, it IS a help, but not enough to help me overcome this problem.
[03:03] <Skid> what problem?
[03:04] <bigfoot1> skid, when i type"sudo synce-serial-start", i get /usr/share/synce/synce-serial-common: line 58: kill: (9417) - No such process.    Warning!  You have firewall rules that may prevent SynCE from working properly! synce-serial-start is now waiting for your device to connect
[03:04] <bigfoot1> skid, for one, i don't have any firewall.
[03:05] <Skid> bigfoot1: erm, I'm not sure - do you have ip tables loaded?
[03:05] <bigfoot1> Skid, what are ip tables?
[03:05] <bigfoot1> is that for internet?
[03:05] <Skid> bigfoot1: some firewalling software
[03:05] <Skid> bigfoot1: it may be worth posting on the forums for help - as I don't relaly know - maybe apt-get remove --purge synce; then re-install it
[03:05] <Skid> so it removes all traces of it
[03:05] <bigfoot1> Skid, how do i know if ip tables is loaded? (I don't think I do)
[03:06] <dooglus> I downloaded a .deb file that was compiled for sarge, and I'm trying to install in on breezy.  It seems to be OK, apart from one dependancy...
[03:06] <Skid> iptables --list i think
[03:06] <Skid> dooglus: I think you can apt-get -f install
[03:06] <Skid> and it'll install any missing deps for you
[03:06] <dooglus> It wants "libzipios++0c102", but I have "libzipios++0".  Can I tell dkpg not to worry, and install anyway?
[03:06] <dooglus> Skid: that just removes the dodgy package...
[03:07] <Skid> hum
[03:07] <erich> dooglus: it won't work.
[03:07] <dooglus> erich: whu?
[03:07] <dooglus> erich: why?
[03:07] <erich> dooglus: C++ API differences
[03:07] <dooglus> erich: is there a debian version which has a binary compatible C++ interface with breezy?
[03:08] <erich> dooglus: the sarge package is built with g++ 3, it won't work if your libraries are build with g++ 4
[03:08] <bigfoot1> skid, i did iptables --list. output is at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2794
[03:08] <erich> dooglus: the one in unstable.
[03:08] <dooglus> erich: ok, thanks.
[03:08] <erich> dooglus: isn't enigma in ubuntu universe, too?
[03:08] <Skid> bigfoot1: you do have firewalling then
[03:08] <bigfoot1> skid, i do?
[03:08] <dooglus> I don't suppose anyone knows of breezy 'wesnoth' packages, do they?
[03:08] <bigfoot1> skid, i don't remember turning it on?
[03:08] <bigfoot1> .
[03:08] <lorenzod> dooglus: I only know they are there..
[03:09] <bigfoot1> skid, how can you tell I have a firewall on?
[03:09] <Skid> i'll paste my output :)
[03:09] <lorenzod> Doesn't anybody know if gnome-vfs uses PASV by default for FTP.
[03:09] <bigfoot1> skid, i did install firestarter once, but i don't have it on in my taskbar.
[03:09] <Skid> bigfoot1: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2795
[03:09] <Skid> run firestarter from the CLI then, and see if you can disable it
[03:09] <dooglus> lorenzod: they are where?
[03:09] <erich> dooglus: oh, wesnoth does use zipios, too? ;-) didn't know that.
[03:10] <erich> dooglus: did you check universe?
[03:10] <dooglus> erich, aye
[03:10] <lorenzod> dooglus: in universe..
[03:10] <dooglus> lorenzod: I think universe has a pre 1.0 version
[03:11] <bigfoot1> skid, okay. i turned it off now. (I didn't realize it was on since the day i installed it!) I
[03:11] <erich> yep, apparently it's 0.9.7
[03:11] <dooglus> erich: wesnoth released 1.0 recently
[03:11] <Skid> bigfoot1: ok, try and kill any synce apps first, then start the serial sync up
[03:11] <bigfoot1> skid, i did "sudo synce-serial-start" again, and no more firewalling error. but i still get "/usr/share/synce/synce-serial-common: line 58: kill: (9552) - No such process". Why?
[03:12] <erich> dooglus: yes, and it's in debian unstable, too. but that is not the version you were trying to install...
[03:12] <bigfoot1> Skid, how do i kill?
[03:12] <Skid> bigfoot1: re-install the software, see if that helps
[03:12] <Skid> im not to sure - did you follow the how-to proper;y?
[03:12] <lorenzod> dooglus, sorry, didn't know you were looking for 1.0
[03:12] <bigfoot1> skid, how do i kill any synce apps? shouldn't we try killing first before re-installing?
[03:12] <Skid> ps aux|grep synce
[03:12] <Skid> will list any
[03:13] <lorenzod> That will have to wait 'til DD
[03:13] <dooglus> erich: debian unstable only has a release candidate?
[03:13] <Skid> then kill <pid>
[03:13] <erich> dooglus: 1.0 was uploaded the day before yesterday
[03:13] <bigfoot1> To anyone: Can anyone telll me how to kill any synce apps that are currently running?
[03:13] <Dolm|SMC|Work> whats the method of changing display settings from the command line? my desktop loads but i only get about 8 colots and it's very very hard to make anything out
[03:13] <dooglus> erich: oh, ok.  thanks!  :)
[03:13] <knubbe> Is it possible to go back in versions with apt-get?
[03:13] <Dolm|SMC|Work> colors*
[03:13] <Skid> colours* ;P
[03:13] <all4n> erich, rmmod nvidia did not work..  X still complains that the kernel module is 7174 while the driver is 7667
[03:14] <ccooke> knubbe: yes
[03:14] <Skid> bigfoot1: ps aux|grep synce - that'll show you if any are running
[03:14] <ccooke> knubbe: you can go to any specific version you like
[03:14] <Skid> right, time to make some lunch..
[03:14] <bigfoot1> Skid,  I got:      9885  0.0  0.2   3768   720 pts/0    S+   22:15   0:00 grep synce
[03:14] <dooglus> knubbe: you can, but it's not straightforward.  first you have to track down the old .deb file, then you edit /etc/apt/preferences to tell it to use the old version
[03:14] <ccooke> knubbe: Each application lists versions in the changelog - look at /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:14] <bigfoot1> skid, i tried "kill 9885" and "kill 3768". Neither works.
[03:15] <aftertaf> !tell Jedrick about mount
[03:15] <emX> bigfoot1: PID 9885 appears to be your grep command, not the sync itself
[03:15] <knubbe> ccooke/dooglus: great! thanks alot!
[03:15] <ccooke> knubbe: then type apt-get install packagename=version
[03:15] <erich> all4n: then you didn't install the driver module correctly
[03:15] <bigfoot1> emX, i see. so does the output mean that there are no synce apps running?
[03:15] <dooglus> knubbe: ccooke seems to know more about it than me - I only did this once
[03:15] <erich> all4n: use module-assistant if that exists on ubuntu, too.
[03:16] <emX> bigfoot1: yes, if that's the only line you saw in your output.
[03:16] <knubbe> ccooke/dooglus: my wlan was disabled after latest apt-get update, and i cant get it working.
[03:16] <dooglus> ccooke: where does apt-get find old versions of packages?
[03:16] <emX> bigfoot1: another way to check: pgrep -lf sync
[03:16] <Nvidiot> knubbe: ndis?
[03:16] <all4n> does not seem like it..  well, I'll go back to searching ubuntu forums.. hopefully should be a solution hiding around there..  thanks anyways
[03:16] <emX> dooglus: same place it gets new packages...
[03:16] <mahangu> i got eterm via apt-get
[03:16] <bigfoot1> emx, tried pgrep -lf sync. no output. i guess there's no sync apps running, right?
[03:16] <mahangu> how do i use it?
[03:17] <emX> mahangu: run 'Eterm'
[03:17] <emX> bigfoot1: yep
[03:17] <Hendric> ey, is it possible to automount an NFS drive? like it mounts automatically if the server is online...
[03:17] <bigfoot1> emx, gotcha, but after I run "sudo synce-serial-start", why do i get "/usr/share/synce/synce-serial-common: line 58: kill: (9851) - No such process"?
[03:18] <bigfoot1> emx, is it telling me to kill something?
[03:18] <boxerboy29> to uninstall is aot-get clean?
[03:18] <bigfoot1> emx, or what does it mean?
[03:18] <emX> bigfoot1: i don't think so; it seems like *it's* trying to kill something that isn't running.
[03:18] <Hendric> anyone?
[03:18] <dooglus> emX: it gets firefox from here, for example: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/ - that's full of 1.0.7 versions.  where are the 1.0.6 and 1.0.5 versions?
[03:18] <emX> bigfoot1: i don't know anything specifically about synce, though...
[03:18] <knubbe> Nvidiot: i dont know if i use ndis <g>. sorry im very new to this. but i think it stopped working while some acpi-packages was updated.
[03:18] <bigfoot1> emX, okay.
[03:18] <emX> Hendric: yes; you need to add a line to your /etc/fstab
[03:18] <bigfoot1> emX, much thanks .
[03:18] <emX> bigfoot1: of course. good luck
[03:19] <Nvidiot> knubbe: did you install the windows driver for it or a builtin driver?
[03:19] <mahangu> can you change backgrounds in gnome-terminal?
[03:19] <Hendric> emX, it just mounts if the client was turned on before the server...
[03:19] <emX> Hendric: ??
[03:20] <Hendric> i mean if i turned on my client... then it won't mount the server if its online...
[03:20] <knubbe> Nvidiot: it was auto-detected. it didnt work with the original 5.10 breezy preview install, but after apt-get dist-upgrade it worked.
[03:20] <dreamwave> ahhhh. xmms.  using the soundcard i want.
[03:20] <Hendric> i mean if i turned on my client... then it won't mount the server if its OFFLINE
[03:20] <Nvidiot> knubbe: ah, don't know then, sorry
[03:20] <ccooke> dooglus: sorry, was busy for a second there.
[03:20] <emX> Hendric: right...it can't connect to the server when the server's offline...
[03:20] <dooglus> s'ok
[03:20] <knubbe> Nvidiot: np. ill try to downgrade.
[03:20] <dooglus> i'm still interested though...
[03:20] <ccooke> dooglus: the apt repository stores many different versions of each package
[03:20] <lonetree> hi guys
[03:20] <Hendric> i want it to automatically mount... once the server was up...
[03:20] <dooglus> ccooke: where?
[03:20] <lonetree> anyone has experience in setting pptp server on ubuntu?
[03:21] <ccooke> dooglus: do you know how apt works?
[03:21] <emX> Hendric: i see. i'm not sure if that's possible using the default setup, although it would be relatively easy to script that behavior
[03:21] <emskiedoo> hello ubuntu friends.. hope u guys can help me today
[03:21] <Hendric> just like plugging in a USB drive that mounst automatically
[03:21] <topyli> the colony 4 install cd is supposed to work, right?
[03:21] <lonetree> pptpconfig and pptp vpn server on ubuntu , anyone?
[03:21] <bigfoot1> Skid, you back yet from your lunch?
[03:21] <ccooke> dooglus: the apt repository is (usually) a web server
[03:21] <ccooke> dooglus: with a special construction.
[03:21] <emX> Hendric: the problem is that NFS servers don't announce their presence to the clients like USB devices do
[03:21] <dooglus> ccooke: vaguely.  I've seen the Contents files referencing .../pool/... files
[03:21] <ccooke> dooglus: for instance, try apt-cache show bash
[03:21] <bigfoot1> skid, if you are still away from the computer, let me know.
[03:22] <bigfoot1> joke.
[03:22] <ccooke> dooglus: and look at the Filename: field
[03:22] <boxerboy29> ok clean isnt working how do you unistall something from terminal?
[03:22] <aftertaf> lol bigfoot1
[03:22] <aftertaf> apt-get remove
[03:22] <boxerboy29> ty
[03:22] <aftertaf> bigfoot1:  ^^^^
[03:22] <lonetree> pptpconfig and pptp vpn server on ubuntu , anyone?
[03:22] <aftertaf> :)
[03:22] <dooglus> ccooke: right.  it's a specific file in /pool/
[03:22] <lonetree> :-(
[03:22] <ccooke> dooglus: then, go to any of the main ubuntu mirrors and paste that onto the end of the repository name
[03:22] <Hendric> emX, but i can make it to try remounting till its mounted???
[03:22] <bigfoot1> umberleigh, so anyone: how can i re-install any/all of the synce packages?
[03:22] <lonetree> no one answer me
[03:22] <Hendric> emX, but can i make it to try remounting till its mounted???
[03:22] <ccooke> dooglus: yes. Now, if you go to the *directory* it's in, you'll see several other versions of bash
[03:22] <emX> Hendric: could, but that'd need to be scripted, I think (I'm no NFS admin) ; )
[03:22] <bigfoot1> correction: um...
[03:22] <mirak> how to change the hostname ?
[03:23] <ccooke> dooglus: gimme a sec, I'll give you a link
[03:23] <lonetree> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:23] <dooglus> ccooke: I got one: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bash/
[03:23] <mirak> when I list samba share my computers have the same hostname
[03:23] <emX> Hendric: it might be better to instead have the clients check if they can, eg, ping the NFS server. if so, they should then try to mount it
[03:23] <emskiedoo> hi, i'll be reformatting my hard drive. i have a 60Gb Hd, would like to install windows and ubunto on same HD. my question is: can i partition the drive during windows intall with 45Gb 1st partition and 15Gb for ubuntu
[03:23] <Hendric> emX, well thanks.. eheheh
[03:23] <ccooke> dooglus: That's it
[03:23] <dooglus> ccooke: but all I see there are the latest versions of bash (the current breezy, hoary and warty versions)
[03:23] <Hendric> <-- scripting super duper noob
[03:23] <emX> Hendric: np. i'd give google a try on this one; I'm sure someone's done it before
[03:23] <bipolar> whats the release after breezy going to be called? Has it been named yet?
[03:23] <emX> Hendric: 'man bash' 'man sh'
[03:24] <Nvidiot> emskiedoo: yes, just create a partition for windows, leave the rest empty. Then install ubuntu into the remaining space
[03:24] <ccooke> dooglus: are you sure?
[03:24] <dooglus> ccooke: I'm just checking...
[03:24] <emX> bipolar: dapper drake, i believe
[03:24] <lonetree> anyone there?
[03:24] <bipolar> emX, cool
[03:24] <bigfoot1> basic question: how do i remove all packages that have to do with something called synce?
[03:24] <lonetree> please help me..................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:24] <bigfoot1> What command do i use?
[03:24] <lonetree> SOS
[03:24] <emskiedoo> nvidiot, ok. thanks. see u guys again in an hour or so...
[03:24] <bigfoot1> lonetree, are you dying?
[03:24] <ccooke> dooglus: I count four versions at least.
[03:24] <lonetree> no
[03:24] <lonetree> not dying
[03:25] <lonetree> but i need help
[03:25] <dooglus> ccooke: lets look at xserver-xorg for breezy, 'cos that's changed 5 times recently - 28,29,30 Sep and 3,4 Oct
[03:25] <aftertaf> pptp server help for lonetree needed, or he may die ;)
[03:25] <lonetree> has anyone tried pptp vpn server on ubuntu?
[03:25] <lonetree> ya I'm dying
[03:25] <JustSleeping> lol
[03:25] <lonetree> becos no one help me
[03:25] <Ng> lonetree: if you don't get an answer here, you can always try the forums or mailing lists :)
[03:25] <lonetree> LOL
[03:26] <bigfoot1> lonetree, call 911
[03:26] <bipolar> lonetree, I went with OpenVPN for my VPN. pptp sucks
[03:26] <thompa> anybody got realplayer to work in breezy?
[03:26] <bigfoot1> lonetree, on second type, don't call 911.
[03:26] <Ng> thompa: yep
[03:26] <lonetree> but open vpn uses l2tp and ipsec right?
[03:26] <dooglus> ccooke: look at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[03:26] <ccooke> dooglus: hmm. It does seem that ubuntu clean the mirror fairly often
[03:26] <goh> Hi, may I know how to change setting in sypnatic such that it looks for my Hoary cd in my cdrw drv instead of my cdrom drive?
[03:26] <bipolar> lonetree, no. SSL
[03:26] <lonetree> too bad, i can't call 911 here
[03:26] <lonetree> not in US though
[03:27] <thompa> Ng: I tried a couple ways and finally got an entry in menu, but it does not open
[03:27] <dooglus> in the last week, versions 6.8.2-71 through 6.8.2-75 have been released.  but the /pool/ only has -75
[03:27] <Ng> thompa: what happens if you run "realplay" in a terminal?
[03:27] <bipolar> lonetree, it's easy to set up and all in userspace. very slick and secure.
[03:27] <nalioth> dooglus: you can search for the pkg name on google, as some mirrors dont update as often as others
[03:27] <dooglus> ccooke: I think they only ever have the current version.  I think they delete the previous version when they upload the new
[03:27] <lonetree> bipolar, is there any guide on openvpn?
[03:27] <bigfoot1> lonetree, do you chew gum?
[03:27] <lonetree> i tried before but failed
[03:27] <ccooke> dooglus: that's interesting.
[03:27] <ccooke> dooglus: Debian don't do that, I know.
[03:27] <bipolar> lonetree, yes. they have a website. google is your friend
[03:27] <dooglus> ccooke: it might also be false...
[03:27] <thompa> Ng: Let me look, im sure its a bad install. the Ubuntu installer is for version 8.
[03:27] <bigfoot1> lonetree, you failed at chewing gum?
[03:28] <ccooke> dooglus: dooglus only one way to find out :-)
[03:28] <lonetree> bigfoot1, no. i dun chew gum and its  illegal to chew gum here
[03:28] <bigfoot1> lonetree, i thought singapore opened up now.
[03:28] <thompa> Ng: no such file or directory. How did you install it?
[03:28] <JustSleeping> lol
[03:28] <lonetree> bigfoot1, you from singapore too?
[03:29] <Ng> thompa: I downloaded the Real Player 10 GOLD .bin (*not* a .rpm) from helixcommunity.org and installed it into /usr/local/RealPlayer/
[03:29] <bigfoot1> lonetree, no. i ask about gum because i wanted to know about the current state of gum-chewing in Singapore.
[03:29] <lonetree> bipolar, I installed openvpn but was unable to connect and config
[03:29] <dooglus> ccooke: looking at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnome-panel/, they seem to be keeping old versions.  i don't get it.
[03:30] <lonetree> igfoot1, where are you now?
[03:30] <lonetree> bigfoot1, where are you now?
[03:30] <thompa> Ng: I tried real.com and it did not work
[03:30] <bigfoot1> japan
[03:30] <bigfoot1> lonetree, japan
[03:30] <Hendric> how do i disable bluetooth daemon?? i don't need it anyway...
[03:30] <lonetree> bigfoot1, are you singaporean?
[03:30] <ccooke> dooglus: indeed.
[03:30] <bigfoot1> lonetree, no, should i be one?
[03:30] <lonetree> bipolar
[03:31] <lonetree> no
[03:31] <ccooke> dooglus: there may be a policy we don't know about
[03:31] <bipolar> lonetree, I don't know what to tell you. it worked fine here. there is a mailing list for it. I think there is an #openvpn channel too.
[03:31] <thompa> Ng: I'll try it again from Helix. Does rythembox play streaming?
[03:31] <lonetree> well, it is a disgrace, i felt, that even chewing gum is illegal
[03:31] <lonetree> @#$@#^$%^$%^$#
[03:31] <thompa> Ng: thanks!
[03:31] <bipolar> lonetree, my config was specificly complex too. I'm running it on my firewall, so I have iptables to get in the way.
[03:32] <Ng> thompa: rhythmbox can do streaming mp3/ogg, but not Real
[03:32] <lonetree> thanks bipolar, but it seems that it is not as easy
[03:32] <bipolar> Ng, that would be fixed if there was a gstreamer plugin for real, right?
[03:32] <bipolar> lonetree, it
[03:32] <bigfoot1> lonetree, are you ever craving for a chewing gum fix?
[03:32] <Ng> bipolar: yeah, but I don't expect such a thing, not after the work Real have done writing their own player for Linux ;)
[03:33] <lonetree> anyway, bipolar, my question to you is, after the client is connected to the vpn server, does your client get to see all the PC in the LAN?
[03:33] <bipolar> lonetree, it's the easist thing I found. ipsec is a bitch. pptp is not as secure.
[03:33] <Hendric> !restricted
[03:33] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:33] <lonetree> no bigfoot1
[03:33] <bipolar> lonetree, thats how I have it set up, yes.
[03:33] <lonetree> i chew it elsewhere
[03:33] <bigfoot1> lonetree, abroad?
[03:33] <lonetree> yup bigfoot1
[03:33] <bipolar> lonetree, I did a bridged setup rather then the routed. So clients can even see the samba servers from network neighborhood.
[03:34] <lonetree> wow! - bipolar
[03:34] <lonetree> please help me bipolar
[03:35] <lonetree> i noe pptp is not as secure, but i have no choice 'cos thats the only thing i noe so far
[03:35] <lonetree> although i got it work, but my client is not able to see the PCs in the LAN
[03:35] <bipolar> lonetree, how many users?
[03:35] <lonetree> as in?
[03:35] <bipolar> lonetree, how many VPN users
[03:36] <lonetree> currently, 3 - 4
[03:36] <bipolar> lonetree, how many do you expect to support in a year?
[03:36] <knubbe> ccooke: is there a apt-get.log or similar so i can check which packages that was updated and when they were updated?
[03:36] <lonetree> not known yet, cos the setup of the company is still small
[03:37] <thompa> Ng: I got the installer on my desktop, its a .bin
[03:37] <bipolar> lonetree, ok. The howto is at http://openvpn.net/howto.html you'll want to use static keys and a bridged network.
[03:37] <ccooke> knubbe-: /var/log/dpkg.log
[03:37] <bigfoot1> skid, you there?
[03:37] <lonetree> ok
[03:37] <bipolar> lonetree, let me know when you get everything installed.
[03:38] <Ng> thompa: ok, fire up a terminal, cd to your desktop and do "chmod +x realwhateverhtefileis.bin", then "./realwhateveretcetc.bin"
[03:38] <lonetree> thanks bipolar
[03:38] <bigfoot1> any synce users here? raise your hand if you are. don't be shuy.
[03:38] <Ng> thompa: probably best to do that last one with sudo too actually
[03:38] <knubbe> ccooke: great! thanks!
[03:38] <lonetree> how do I get in contact with you?
[03:38] <thompa> sorry. i found the instructions in the readme link
[03:38] <Hendric> how do i disable bluetooth daemon?? i don't need it anyway...
[03:38] <thompa> thanks
[03:38] <bipolar> lonetree, when you get there we'll go further. or you could just paypal me $100 and give me ssh access and I'll do it all for you :D
[03:38] <ccooke> knubbe: dpkg and apt are *very* well engineered.
[03:38] <Ng> thompa: aha, good good. say yes to the "install systemwide symlinks" btw :)
[03:38] <thompa> ok
[03:38] <lonetree> $100 US?
[03:39] <Ng> is soliciting for sysadmin consulting allowed in here? ;)
[03:39] <bigfoot1> if you use snyce raise your hand.
[03:39] <bipolar> lonetree, I meant it as a joke. :P
[03:39] <Hendric> $100 ??? more expensive the linspire lolx
[03:39] <Tarti> Hello guys. I have tried to install my winmodem for two days now. Cant get it to work. Can anyone tell me what modem I can buy that will work with ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[03:39] <bigfoot1> what bipolar really meant was 500 dollars.
[03:39] <Hendric> lolx...
[03:39] <lonetree> really?? bipolar?
[03:39] <windex> lonetree, you need to set up a secure vpn?
[03:40] <lonetree> you really gonna charge me for that?
[03:40] <Hendric> how do i disable bluetooth daemon?? i don't need it anyway... please clap 3x if you know how
[03:40] <aftertaf> looool
[03:40] <Ng> Tarti: *any* modem that lives on the end of a serial port will work, or any internal one that implements a proper serial device and isn't a software winmodem ;)
[03:40] <lonetree> yes windex
[03:40] <aftertaf> Hendric:  remember for ntpdate?
[03:40] <Hendric> aftertaf, yeah
[03:40] <lonetree> you have any suggestion windex?
[03:40] <windex> lonetree, well, keep in mind, pptp can have a 48 bit cipher associated with it, i think. is that not enough?
[03:41] <Hendric> aftertaf, can you tell me the snytax?
[03:41] <Tarti> Ng: I wanted to buy a serial Acer Modem today but as I found out that was also a winmodem and needed an installation. I'm totally frustrated.
[03:41] <aftertaf> Hendric:  you can do the same here ;)   look in /etc/init.d/
[03:41] <mahangu> can i get opera via apt-get?
[03:41] <Hendric> aftertaf, oh god.. i forgot the command again.. dumber
[03:41] <aftertaf> sudo update-rc.d -f [name of thingy]  remove
[03:41] <Hendric> hehe tnx
[03:41] <windex> lonetree, sorry, 56 bit
[03:41] <lonetree> thats not wat i mean windex
[03:41] <Ng> Tarti: I would think that any decent sized PC type store ought to have "ordinary" modems, but it is quite a long time since I bought one ;)
[03:41] <aftertaf> Tarti:  install the restricted modules (dunno if on the cd though)
[03:42] <Ng> Tarti: perhaps asking for a modem that works with Macs?
[03:42] <lonetree> security is one issue that i am concern, but not to the extend yet
[03:42] <aftertaf> lol Ng
[03:42] <nalioth> Tarti: http://www.linmodems.org/
[03:42] <windex> lonetree, ok, so how is pptp unsuitable? the only reason pptp is good is because it dosen't require anything special for microsoft clients
[03:42] <Nvidiot> Tarti: check the specifications on the modem box, if it says it works in a 386/486, it's most likely a proper hardware modem
[03:42] <Tarti> yeah, I know the site
[03:42] <lonetree> wat i am facing now is that when i client into the vpn server with pptpconfig, i can only access the server resource, and i ca't see the rest of the pc inthe LAN - windex
[03:43] <Tarti> the system doesnt even recognize the modem
[03:43] <Tarti> but thats not the point
[03:43] <Ng> lonetree: you may need to do some kind of routing/masquerading to make that work
[03:43] <Hendric> Tarti, was it internal?
[03:43] <Tarti> yeah
[03:43] <bipolar> lonetree, are your vpn clients on a seperate subnet then the internal network?
[03:43] <Tarti> now on pci
[03:43] <thompa> Ng: seems to have worked. Im going to test it on BBC.
[03:43] <Hendric> Tarti, i got one too.. can't make it work on ubuntu
[03:43] <Tarti> yeah
[03:43] <Tarti> I can compile the driver and stuff
[03:43] <windex> lonetree, do you have forwarding between interfaces enabled?
[03:43] <Hendric> but it worked fine out of the box with linspire.. lolx
[03:43] <Tarti> but cant get it to work
[03:44] <Tarti> so I want to buy a new one
[03:44] <umberleigh> mahangu: by the looks of things no, i've just done a quick search and can't find it
[03:44] <thompa> Ng: I ran the installer from the menu. it seems earlier i probably installed without sudo. If you do that you do not get the symbolic link message
[03:44] <Tarti> a real hardware modem. But it seems like there is no real modem available atm :(
[03:44] <windex> lonetree, i mean, basically, you need to have routes established unless you are doing an ARP proxy to put VPN clients on the same subnet.
[03:44] <aftertaf> Tarti:  external
[03:44] <lonetree> err, dunno if I'm right, the client local ip is 192.168.123.x and the server side is 10.0.x.x - windex
[03:44] <Hendric> Tartaros, bye an external one
[03:44] <Hendric> * Tarti
[03:44] <lonetree> bipolar
[03:44] <aftertaf> Hendric:  damn tab, got me too
[03:44] <lonetree> did you get my PM?
[03:45] <bipolar> lonetree, no
[03:45] <Hendric> aftertaf, lolx
[03:45] <Tarti> aftertaf, Hendric: yeah, I tried today, but still on serial port it was a winmodem :(
[03:45] <windex> lonetree, is your VPN box your gateway for 192.168.123.x and 10.0.x.x ?
[03:45] <lonetree> errr
[03:45] <aftertaf> argh Tarti
[03:45] <lonetree> wait guys
[03:45] <lonetree> how do i register for a nick?
[03:46] <windex> lonetree, /msg nickserv help register
[03:46] <nalioth> lonetree: /msg nicserv help register
[03:46] <Tarti> so I am confused how to actually buy a modem that works...
[03:46] <bipolar> lonetree, you'll need to setup a route between those two subnets, and if you want smb access you'll either need to set samba to broadcast on the vpn or configure wins or something on the clients.
[03:46] <Hendric> damn java from restricted... i apt-get it.. and now it closes firefox when i view a java enabled site
[03:46] <bipolar> lonetree, thats why I used bridging. it just works. ;)
[03:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Hendric about javadeb
[03:47] <lonetree> hmmm
[03:47] <windex> bipolar, he also needs to turn on forwarding(?) in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/.. can't forward between interfaces without it
[03:47] <lonetree> any guides that i can get to read up on?
[03:47] <Spud> salve
[03:47] <Spud> hello
[03:47] <Tarti> hi
[03:47] <Spud> hi Tarti
[03:47] <Tarti> :D
[03:47] <goh> Hello
[03:47] <Spud> does someone speak italian?
[03:47] <bipolar> windex, yeah. but if it's on the firewall it will already have that. lonetree, is this on your firewall or an internal box?
[03:48] <lonetree> no firewall on the box
[03:48] <goh> Can any1 help me wif a sypnatic prob?
[03:48] <nalioth> Spud: in #ubuntu-it
[03:48] <Tarti> so, does anyone know of a modem on serial port which is a true hardware modem and available?
[03:48] <Spud> where's an ubuntu room for italian?
[03:48] <Spud> a ok
[03:48] <windex> !it
[03:48] <ubotu> windex: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:48] <Spud> thank you!!!
[03:48] <Spud> :D
[03:48] <nalioth> Spud: no problema
[03:48] <goo> Are there any clients for connecting to iTunes shares in ubuntu ?
[03:49] <nalioth> windex: /msg ubotu ubotu and pick the bots brains
[03:49] <Hendric> !restricted
[03:49] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:49] <Hendric> gotta apt-get clean
[03:49] <windex> nalioth, o_O
[03:49] <lon3tree> windex, bipolar
[03:49] <lon3tree> i just change my nick to lon3tree
[03:49] <EtnaRosso> hi all
[03:50] <karuptdata> hello
[03:50] <thompa> Ng: helisx wont play the integrated bbc real content.
[03:50] <EtnaRosso> i need help installing jdk
[03:50] <goh> How do I set synpnatic to read the hoary cd from my cdrw drv instead of my cdrom drv?
[03:50] <nalioth> ubotu: tell EtnaRosso about javadeb
[03:50] <thompa> says i need real player. i thought they were same thing
[03:50] <goh> My cdrom died on me and it was the secondary master
[03:50] <Ng> thompa: they are the same thing
[03:50] <EtnaRosso> javadeb? there is some url?
[03:50] <thompa> im going to install both
[03:50] <Ng> thompa: wait wait wait :)
[03:51] <thompa> ok ok
[03:51] <goh> so I'm having trouble updating via my hoary cd
[03:51] <thompa> maybe plugin
[03:51] <Ng> thompa: delete .realplayerrc from your home directory and run "realplay" in a terminal. it should pop up and ask you to agree to a few things, including installing the browser plugin
[03:51] <thompa> ok
[03:52] <EtnaRosso> nalioth i had this string on my sources list, right?
[03:52] <Nameless12> can someone tell me the release date of 5.10, im lookin foward to it and would like to know in advance.
[03:52] <Ng> thomba: after that the BBC plugin-needing things should work - they do here at least
[03:52] <misterdiff> hi all
[03:52] <nalioth> EtnaRosso: sun java is no longer available in the repos for legal reasons
[03:52] <karuptdata> i believe its 10-13 release date
[03:52] <fredforfaen> misterdiff hi
[03:52] <Tarti> does someone know such a serial modem that I can buy?
[03:52] <nalioth> EtnaRosso: visit the URL in your browser and get the java you want
[03:53] <Nameless12> karuptdata, hope it comes out on my bday, thats the 11th
[03:53] <EtnaRosso> ok but i have downloaded from sun site
[03:53] <karuptdata> lol nameless that would be a gr8 bday present
[03:53] <viyyer> hi .. I am trying to configure hp1005 printer
[03:53] <viyyer> anyone's has success...
[03:53] <thompa> Ng: i dont have a .realpayerrc
[03:53] <viyyer> do I need to have the firmware ??
[03:53] <Nameless12> will 5.10 have better ati support?? will it be shipping with PRESETUP drivers that are up to date?? do any of you know
[03:53] <misterdiff> i need some help repartitioning my drive. i just bought this pc last night and its got a sata drive in it. but when i try the resize partition function on ubuntu
[03:53] <Hendric> Tarti, buy old school serial modems...
[03:53] <Ng> thompa: realpayer or realplayer? :)
[03:54] <nalioth> Nameless12: breezy will have better everything
[03:54] <thompa> in my home directory i typed rm .realplayerrc
[03:54] <Tarti> Hendric: yeah, could you tell me just a name or something, because I dont know how to investigate befor if its a hardware modem or not
[03:54] <Nameless12> nalioth, yeah, im just hoping that ati works easier. i want to get dual monitors i finaly learnt how xorg.conf works but it wasnt working for some reason. hopefully with 5.10 ill get dual monitors :D
[03:54] <karuptdata> im running breezy now and i am highly impressed
[03:55] <Nameless12> yeah i, cant wait till its out! (im gona be forcing ppl to test this)
[03:55] <Hendric> Tarti, google is better
[03:55] <thompa> Ng: typing realplay gives me../usr/lib/RealPlayer8/realplay: No such file or directory
[03:56] <thierry_> I'm on breezy, and I have too many kernels in my gdm boot page, how do I get delete the old one to make space for the new ones? I've already deleted the packages but they stay there
[03:56] <thompa> Ng: thats what ubuntu installed
[03:56] <Ng> thompa: ah yes, you probably want to remove that
[03:56] <Ng> sorry, I didn't think of that
[03:56] <thompa> Ng: thanks for the help. Should i just remove the directory?
[03:57] <Tarti> Hendric, I google a lot but maybe kind of ineffective..
[03:57] <Ng> thompa: no, you should remove the realplayer package - it will clear out those RealPlayer8 things for you
[03:57] <Hendric> i have a d-link external modem and worked fine even with debian biz
[03:57] <thompa> Ng: so from synaptic i suppose
[03:57] <Ng> thompa: correct :)
[03:58] <sr99> Hi @all
[03:58] <Tarti> Hendric: ok, thank you, I will look for that one :)
[03:59] <thompa> Ng: evil bastards gone, thanks
[03:59] <Hendric> for the 1st time here. someone thanked me for something.. lolx
[03:59] <sr99> my ubuntu starts with an error. the theme "Human" cannot be loaded
[03:59] <Ng> thompa: you may need to run "hash -r" in your terminal to get it to update where programs are so it finds the newer realplay (you only need to do this once, or close/reopen the terminal)
[03:59] <equador> hello everybody ;)
[03:59] <equador> how do you do ?
[03:59] <thierry_> sr99 : you could try to reinstall the package ubuntu-art
[04:00] <thompa> ok
[04:00] <equador> im from lithuania, the weather is the best from best ;)
[04:00] <equador> very sunny ?
[04:00] <equador> ;)
[04:00] <thompa> Ng: ok . now if i type realplay i get not found.
[04:00] <thompa> probably should reinstall?
[04:00] <sr99> gnome does not start it only reacts on a restart command. I'll try from console. where can I download the deb package for ubuntu-art?
[04:01] <cantona> which package generate /etc/ld.so.conf?
[04:01] <posty> sleep.
[04:01] <Ng> thompa: you could try running /usr/local/RealPlayer/realplay - if that's where you installed it
[04:01] <misterdiff> i need some help repartitioning my drive. i just bought this pc last night and its got a sata drive in it. but when i try the resize partition function on ubuntu
[04:01] <avalost> sr99, apt-get install ubuntu-art
[04:01] <equador> my gnome-desktop doont work, because write this error: FUCK OFF
[04:01] <thompa> ok
[04:01] <equador> good joke ;)
[04:02] <sr99> thx. I'll givbe it a try
[04:02] <thompa> Ng: its hxplay
[04:02] <sr99> give
[04:02] <nalioth> equador: not a nice joke for this channel
[04:03] <equador> okey, im very sad for this job ;)
[04:03] <EasterSunshine> hey what is the button to paste from x clipboard? it used to be to click the middle button, but my mouse doesn't have a middle button =(
[04:03] <Ng> thompa: ah, that sounds like you have helix player, go back to helixcommunity.org and click on the "free Realplayer" link
[04:03] <Ghoat> misterdiff:what happens when you try to resize it?
[04:03] <Ng> there should be a wiki entry about this really
[04:04] <sr99> btw: is the command to config the networkcard the same as in knoppix?
[04:04] <Nvidiot> EasterSunshine: use both buttons at the same time
[04:04] <misterdiff> Ghoat: the program freezes and i have to reboot
[04:04] <thompa> Ng: i thought i wanted helix?
[04:04] <EasterSunshine> Nvidiot: thanks i will try
[04:04] <misterdiff> Ghoat: i did md5sum on the cd that i downloaded and everything checked out good
[04:04] <equador> jus esat visi gaidziai ir maminiai ! Supratot !
[04:04] <thompa> Ng: isnt helix and realplayer same
[04:05] <Ng> thompa: it's all a bit confusing - helix is the open source player, but it doesn't actually play Real files, you have to download Real Player for that, but Helix is also the name of the community Real have setup for their Helix player and general open sourceness
[04:05] <Jedrick> how to mount to windows?
[04:05] <thompa> Ng: that makes sense.
[04:05] <sr99> bye @ all
[04:05] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Jedrick about windowsdrives
[04:06] <thompa> Ng: should i just download real.com player then
[04:06] <boodle> anyone else finding gdm/Xorg server not restarting right after latest breezy update?
[04:06] <nalioth> thompa: the helix player will be more suitable
[04:06] <Ghoat> misterdiff:have had several challenges with SATA drive in Windows, was driver related there...
[04:06] <Ng> thompa: http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=hc.org
[04:06] <Ng> :)
[04:06] <thompa> Ng: thanks again
[04:06] <Ng> thompa: I didn't explain myself clearly earlier, I intended you to get that link from the helix site :)
[04:07] <gccuser> server irc.oftc.net
[04:07] <misterdiff> Ghoat: the problem isn't in windows though, its in ubuntu's resize function
[04:07] <Jedrick> nalioth: i cant download that file yet. i dont have an internet connection on my linux, i need to mount to windows to get that file
[04:07] <Jedrick> how?
[04:07] <thompa> Ng: i dont understand why the linux realplayer
[04:07] <misterdiff> Ghoat: is there another free app i can use to resize this thing?
[04:07] <thompa> on real.com
[04:07] <danielbo> I have a problem with slow displays after upgrading two computers to breezy -- on ati and one sis. Both worked fine in Hoary. Are others seeing a similar slowdown?
[04:07] <thompa> why is helix more suitable
[04:07] <Hendric> any work around to openoffice loading time for around 2 minutes??
[04:07] <rawiramdhan> I mounted a windows dir in my home, but now I cant see my home map/ how do I umount thos?
[04:07] <rawiramdhan> I mounted a windows dir in my home, but now I cant see my home map/ how do I umount this
[04:08] <Hendric> 2 minutes is too much for a word processor
[04:08] <Ghoat> misterdiff:how about parted?
[04:08] <nalioth> helix is aimed toward open source usage
[04:08] <thompa> but helis cant play real player files
[04:08] <thompa> helix
[04:08] <rawiramdhan> I mounted a windows dir in my home, but now I cant see my home map/ how do I umount this
[04:09] <misterdiff> Ghoat: can that run in windows?
[04:09] <thompa> at least not bbc
[04:09] <misterdiff> Ghoat: or can i resize directly from a live cd?
[04:10] <stefan_> someone who can help me with a problem?
[04:10] <Hendric> i better start ghosting to my other 10 pcs...
[04:10] <Ghoat> they might have a windows version for it, I use Acronis partition expert in windows
[04:10] <Ghoat> m isterdiff:they might have a windows version for it, I use Acronis partition expert in windows
[04:10] <EasterSunshine> how do i access raid drives? like for example, the ide disks are /dev/hda-hdd, what is an example of a devicename i would mount for raid level 1?
[04:10] <Ghoat> misterdiff:they might have a windows version for it, I use Acronis partition expert in windows
[04:10] <din> EasterSunshine: /dev/sda,sdb,sdc, etc...
[04:11] <daved> can someone give me the contents of the default apt sources.list ?
[04:11] <daved> i'm doing a debootstrap install inside xen on a fedora host, so i dont have it :)
[04:11] <stefan_> I'm a beginner in Ubunto and Linux and when I'm trying to surf on the internet there's a problem
[04:11] <thompa> nalioth: just to confirm. I simply need to go to real.com and install realplayer for linux in order to hear bbc streaming.
[04:11] <florian> which problem?
[04:12] <nalioth> thompa: have you been to the wiki and followed the howto?
[04:12] <daved> someone please just paste their sources.list to me in /msg
[04:12] <daved> very easy to do
[04:12] <thompa> yes
[04:12] <stefan_> florian: can't connect some domains but when I type the ip-number it works
[04:12] <thompa> i ended up with lots of problems
[04:12] <din> dns
[04:12] <Shin_Gouki> yes dns issue
[04:12] <stefan_> perhaps something with the  dns
[04:12] <thompa> the installer is for version 8
[04:12] <stefan_> what can I do
[04:13] <stefan_> ?
[04:13] <danielbo> stefan_: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[04:13] <Shin_Gouki> try other dns servdr?
[04:13] <din> make sure your dns servers are correct
[04:13] <daved> jesus
[04:13] <thompa> ill look again
[04:13] <daved> can someone please just send me their sources.list
[04:13] <daved> will take you 2 secs
[04:13] <stefan_> that dosn't say me anything
[04:13] <Hendric> dpking java.. hope this one works
[04:13] <florian> easier with the gnome tool for network setup
[04:13] <danielbo> daved: hoary or breezy?
[04:13] <daved> breezy
[04:13] <daved> or tell me where i can find the default one
[04:13] <igama> PPL does anyone know about apache2 virtualhost in localnetwork??
[04:14] <igama> pls i need some help
[04:14] <Jedrick> how to mount to windows using the konsole
[04:14] <danielbo> deb-src http://kr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted
[04:14] <Hendric> nalioth, what's that java site again?? i downloaded the wrong file..
[04:14] <stefan_> danielbo: ok. found it. what am I looking for?
[04:14] <Ghoat> misterdiff:pretty sure you can with a live one...http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html#downloading
[04:15] <danielbo> stefan_, try to ping them
[04:15] <stefan_> I've tried it
[04:15] <danielbo> did it work?
[04:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell daved about sources
[04:15] <thompa> nalioth: wiki has simply: sudo apt-get install realplayer.
[04:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Hendric about javadeb
[04:16] <danielbo> nalioth, I gave them to daved
[04:16] <stefan_> danielbo: I think so
[04:16] <nalioth> thompa: the wiki says nothing about helix?
[04:16] <dikrib> Someone please help me installing ubuntu. I have tryed to install it om partition #2 (of 3, Windows 2000 is on #1) i think. I have formatted #2 to Ext3 with the setup, but later in the install process it says: Not installing to unclean target. So i am not shure if it is really trying to install into #2. What to do?
[04:16] <Hendric> i downloaded the update and now it errored out
[04:16] <danielbo> stefan_, when you pinged the name servers listed in /etc/resolv.conf, did they respond?
[04:16] <stefan_> danielbo: but when I do trace route I get nothing
[04:16] <thompa> nalioth: does helis play integrated bbc real content in browser?
[04:16] <thompa> helix
[04:16] <daved> nalioth: i wanted the default sources.list, not how to add more
[04:16] <rawiramdhan> I mounted a windows dir in my home, but now I cant see my home map/ how do I umount this ?
[04:16] <stefan_> danielbo: only have one name. should I add more
[04:17] <bigfoot1> hi all: how do i restart syslog? I tried "/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart" but i got "  *slogd: Already running. "
[04:17] <daved> danielbo: does that invlude the base system too, or is that just updates?
[04:17] <Hendric> nalioth, oh its the right thing i guess.. but i can't install it.. help?
[04:17] <daved> danielbo: do i want breezy and breezy-security as well?
[04:17] <danielbo> daved: wait
[04:18] <daved> danielbo: my sources.list is empty right now
[04:18] <danielbo> stefan_, you should se a line like this: nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:18] <stefan_> danielbo: it didn't work
[04:18] <daved> danielbo: i'm doing a debootstrap install
[04:18] <danielbo> maybe two
[04:18] <yuyudhana> I am running hoary on thinkpad-R40e. kernel 2.6.10-5-386. When the machine boots, it hangs after showing "Starting Ubuntu". Having acpi=off boots perfectly.
[04:18] <moparfan90> hello
[04:18] <Shin_Gouki> how do i pipe shell output into a text file? what is the shell command?
[04:18] <daved> and whats the difference between restricted, universe, and multiverse ?
[04:18] <bigfoot1> a basic question from a newbie. how do i restart syslog?
[04:18] <stefan_> danielbo: when I ping the ip it works
[04:18] <moparfan90> does gentoo use a package manager?  or apt
[04:18] <bwlang> Shin_Gouki: >
[04:18] <Shin_Gouki> how do i pipe shell output into a text file? what is the shell command? i want to pipe the dmesg command
[04:18] <bwlang> Shin_Gouki: don't ask more than once
[04:19] <danielbo> stefan_, and you're only having problems with SOME sites?
[04:19] <stefan_> danielbo: this is what I see "search bredbandsbolaget.se
[04:19] <stefan_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[04:19] <Shin_Gouki> ok bwlang
[04:19] <danielbo> daved, did you get the second line?
[04:19] <Shin_Gouki> bwlang, dmesg > status.txt , will this work?
[04:19] <funkyHat> :D beagle started working with the most recent set of updates
[04:19] <nalioth> daved: legalities
[04:19] <danielbo> stefan_, the nameserver is on your local net?
[04:19] <Shin_Gouki> good morning nalioth!! :)
[04:19] <daved> danielbo: you said only one
[04:20] <danielbo> daved, I've sent two so far
[04:20] <stefan_> danielbo: only the one who travel far on the internet. for ex. I can't reach www.lhs.se but when I type the ip number it works
[04:20] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: howdy
[04:20] <sproingie> moparfan90: gentoo has its own package system.  it's more or less hidden behind portage.  you'd have to ask #gentoo about details of the binary package system
[04:20] <stefan_> danielbo: the name server is NOT on a local net
[04:21] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth i try to pipe the dmesg command into a text file will this work: dmesg > status.txt
[04:21] <florian> stefan: ask your provider for an ip to use as nameserver
[04:21] <thompa> Ng: ok realplayer works.
[04:21] <bigfoot1> hi nalioth .
[04:21] <stefan_> danielbo: so I'm pretty lost
[04:21] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: they just told you it would. try it
[04:21] <Ng> thompa: good :)
[04:21] <nalioth> bigfoot1: howdy
[04:21] <bigfoot1> nalioth, how do i restart syslog?
[04:21] <thompa> Ng: helix wont play bbc radio
[04:21] <danielbo> stefan_, you are on ?what? a DSL?
[04:21] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i have no clue
[04:21] <Ng> thompa: seriously, forget helix player, just use real player
[04:21] <stefan_> danielbo: yes
[04:22] <danielbo> show me ifconfig
[04:22] <thompa> Ng: i agree
[04:22] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth it did work ;) , some of the cool things about linux :)
[04:22] <stefan_> danielbo: "show me ifconfig" was that for me? how do I do that?
[04:22] <Hendric> and nalioth said, "javadeb"... and there was java on firefox. tnx
[04:22] <funkyHat> thompa, the real player for linux is good... it's not like the windows one
[04:22] <thompa> Ng: Ubuntu has a few issues here. I fthey fix the realplayer installer it would be good, but this is breezy so
[04:22] <danielbo> stefan_, type "ipconfig" at the terminal
[04:23] <Ng> thompa: I think it's Real.com's fault, not Ubuntu's
[04:23] <thompa> Ng: also on real.com the instructions are not updated
[04:24] <thompa> Ng: should be version -1
[04:24] <danielbo> stefan_, you there?
[04:24] <stefan_> danielbo: "ipconfig: command not found" I'm sorry. I'm hopeless. have only done this for about an hour
[04:24] <m0biu5> is there a clipboard daemon in breezy?
[04:24] <danielbo> f*ck
[04:24] <danielbo> ifconfig
[04:24] <Spud> excuse me.. What I have to do to erase a directory which is locked? (there's a lock)
[04:24] <thompa> Ng: what threw me off really was having to type sudo first. If I did not do this i would be lost
[04:24] <danielbo> stefan_, type "ifconfig" at the terminal
[04:25] <stefan_> danielbo: I thought I did
[04:25] <danielbo> stefan_, not "ipconfig"..."ifconfig"
[04:25] <stefan_> allright
[04:25] <sproingie> Spud: uh, a lock icon in the file manager?  that just means you can't write to it.  use the command line and sudo
[04:25] <thompa> Ng: there was no error message without sudo and thats painful
[04:25] <thompa> faster to install in slackware
[04:25] <stefan_> danielbo; eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:B0:D0:BB:2E:C5
[04:25] <stefan_>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:25] <stefan_>           inet6 addr: fe80::2b0:d0ff:febb:2ec5/64 Scope:Link
[04:25] <stefan_>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[04:25] <stefan_>           RX packets:15241 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[04:26] <stefan_>           TX packets:16251 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[04:26] <stefan_>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[04:26] <stefan_>           RX bytes:7933238 (7.5 MiB)  TX bytes:2716933 (2.5 MiB)
[04:26] <sproingie> nice flood
[04:26] <stefan_>           Interrupt:11 Base address:0xec80
[04:26] <stefan_> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[04:26] <m0biu5> whoa..
[04:26] <Hendric> waw nice...
[04:26] <stefan_>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[04:26] <stefan_>           inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
[04:26] <Hendric> this channel should be #ubuntu-pastebin
[04:26] <Spud> yes.. sproingie ... what commands? could you tell me? :D
[04:27] <sproingie> Spud: since i don't know what directory you need to delete, can't be much help there
[04:27] <Spud> the directory is called "mIRC"
[04:27] <danielbo> Has anyone else noticed significant slowdowns on video playback after an upgrade to breezy?
[04:27] <Shin_Gouki> hi! what is the adress of ubuntu help forums(website) ?
[04:27] <Spud> in the desktop
[04:28] <holycow> heh
[04:28] <cantona> hello
[04:28] <sproingie> Spud: sudo is for doing a command as root, rm removes files, rmdir removes directories, and rm -r removes directories and everything under it
[04:28] <cantona> why there is no scim1.4.2 for ubuntu???
[04:29] <danielbo> cantona, is 1.0.2 not enough?
[04:29] <cantona> ydes
[04:29] <danielbo> cantona, curiously, what does 1.4 do that you need?
[04:30] <viyyer> Err http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-extras/main Packages
[04:30] <viyyer>   Could not connect to ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[04:30] <viyyer> is there a replacement for te these backports ??
[04:30] <daved> does breezy-updates contain breezy-security ?
[04:31] <nalioth> viyyer: /msg ubotu backports
[04:31] <Spud> sproingie, :  No such file or directory
[04:31] <tombs> hi ppl
[04:31] <Spud> i don't understand
[04:31] <Spud> lol
[04:32] <Spud> sudo rm -r /home/........./mIRC
[04:32] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth, what adress do the ubuntu help forums have? (website??)
[04:32] <daved> is there any metapackage that contains everything in a "workstation" type install ?
[04:32] <sproingie> Spud: i'm afraid i'm not really well-equipped for teaching use of the shell in general
[04:32] <daved> or are there "groups" of .deb's like fedora's yum "groups" ?
[04:32] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: www.ubuntuforums.com
[04:33] <sproingie> daved: debian calls those tasks.  infuriatingly enough, ubuntu does not use them.
[04:33] <Shin_Gouki> thx!
[04:33] <Spud> ok sproingie ... thanks a lot :D
[04:33] <nalioth> daved: use synaptic and there is a "sections" button on the bottom left, i believe
[04:33] <daved> nalioth: all i have right now is a base debootstrap install
[04:33] <daved> nalioth, no x or anything
[04:34] <daved> nalioth, i'm trying to find a way to install all of the basics.. sshd, x, gnome, etc etc etc
[04:34] <viyyer> thanks nalioth
[04:34] <bipolar> is anyone aware that libofx is broken in breezy? It makes it impossible to import ofx or quicken files in Gnucash
[04:34] <nalioth> daved: install "ubuntu-desktop"
[04:34] <Gwildor> sproingie, i havent used for a few releases, but there "used" to be a metapackage to install the standard desktop
[04:34] <Gwildor> nalioth has it
[04:34] <daved> also, does anyone know if there is an ubuntu package for a breezy kernel w/ xenU support?
[04:35] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth, the adress...seems not to work..?
[04:35] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: i'm not sure then
[04:35] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth, hm ok
[04:35] <nalioth> Shin_Gouki: ubuntuforums.org
[04:35] <Gwildor> Shin_Gouki, if your using FF jsut type "ubuntu forums" in the url box
[04:35] <daved> nalioth: thanks for the ubuntu-desktop tip, btw.. exactly what i was looking for
[04:36] <Gwildor> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:36] <nalioth> daved: they are called "metapackages"
[04:36] <Dakrone> in the ubuntu install, does it set the root password automatically? Or did someone come by and set mine while I was gone yesterday?
[04:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Dakrone about root
[04:36] <Gwildor> Dakrone, its your user pass
[04:37] <daved> can anyone point me in the right direction for the proper way to recompile a kernel in ubuntu?
[04:37] <oxez> Dakrone: you can use sudo passwd root
[04:37] <Shin_Gouki> nalioth, Gwildor --> the guy from HE MAN??? LOL thx for reply
[04:37] <Gwildor> Shin_Gouki, EXACTLY
[04:37] <Dakrone> nalioth, Gwildor: Thank you both
[04:37] <Shin_Gouki> Gwildor, :)
[04:37] <Gwildor> np
[04:37] <`sg> anybody here managed to get a working swiss german (de_CH) keyboard in gnome in breezy? (works fine in ordinary non-x console)
[04:37] <Gwildor> AFK....smoke break
[04:38] <fredforfaen> `sg try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[04:39] <fredforfaen> `sg or maybe not..i dunno
[04:39] <large_muscles> Is anyone having trouble accessing some of the repositories?
[04:39] <`sg> fredforfaen how does that fix gnome?
[04:39] <fredforfaen> `sg you got a point
[04:40] <fredforfaen> guess gnome is directed by locales
[04:40] <oxez> large_muscles: I have main universe and multiverse, everything works correctly
[04:40] <fredforfaen> dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe?
[04:40] <bipolar> are packages in universe maintained by debian maintainer or is there a ubuntu person that ports them?
[04:40] <oxez> large_muscles: did you edit sources.list manually?
[04:40] <imc_> Hi, everyone. Trying to burn an iso of Breezy - um...How?
[04:40] <nalioth> bipolar: we maintain universe
[04:41] <imc_> I downloaded the breezy iso image, but I can't remember how to burn it to a bootable CD
[04:41] <nalioth> imc_: like you burn any other iso image
[04:41] <imc_> nalioth, thanks, except I cannot remember how to burn an iso image :)
[04:41] <sproingie> daved: not sure if anyone answered your question, but kernel-package is usually how i recompile kernels.  you configure it the normal way, then use kernel-package to build debs
[04:41] <nalioth> imc_: what OS are you using?
[04:41] <`sg> locales? doubt it, gnome whines about xdb when it starts, but I'll give it a try
[04:41] <imc_> ubuntu hoary
[04:41] <large_muscles> oxez: Negative, I copied the list from ubuntuguide.
[04:41] <juan_> hey
[04:41] <oxez> large_muscles: do you run Hoary?
[04:41] <fredforfaen> `sg as i said i dunno , its just suffestions
[04:41] <large_muscles> oxez: Yes.
[04:42] <fredforfaen> suggestions*
[04:42] <juan_> hey
[04:42] <fredforfaen> hey juan_
[04:42] <bipolar> nalioth, who can take care of https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/gnucash/+bug/1561 then?
[04:42] <juan_> how many of you have breezy version?
[04:42] <sproingie> daved: kernel-package is itself a package you get, and it gives you a script called make-kpkg
[04:42] <nalioth> bipolar: you can, if you want to
[04:42] <oxez> large_muscles: then it should work. Try gnome-app-install (Settings -> Repositories)
[04:43] <bipolar> nalioth, there is a new version of libofx upstream that might fix this problem. If I build a deb for this how hard would it be for it to get into breezy before release?
[04:43] <epic___> Does anyone know a way of making mounted partitions not show on the desktop in breezy? Any haelp is appreciated.
[04:43] <imc_> nalioth, I'm on hoary. . .
[04:43] <large_muscles> oxez: Alright, I'll give it a shot.
[04:43] <nalioth> bipolar: join #ubuntu-motu and ask
[04:43] <nalioth> imc_: why are you burning an ISO? just upgrade
[04:44] <Gwildor> back
[04:44] <_jason> nalioth: is it preferrable to install breezy from scratch or is there really no difference?
[04:44] <large_muscles> If you upgrade to Breezy, will it wipe /home?
[04:45] <nalioth> _jason: if you have hoary, just upgrade.
[04:45] <nalioth> large_muscles: no it will not, if you use apt-get to do it
[04:45] <Gwildor> large_muscles, if you "upgrade" no.......if you re-install, it will depend on how you partitioned
[04:45] <large_muscles> Beautiful.
[04:45] <_jason> nalioth:  can i upgrade now?  Is there any difference from the preview version now and what will be available on the 13th (that you know of)?
[04:45] <imc_> nalioth: Thank you but this is an install on a new machine
[04:45] <nalioth> folks! linux is designed for "install once, upgrade forever" you should never have to "install" again
[04:46] <imc_> nalioth! Unless you have a second machine!
[04:46] <Gwildor> _jason, you should be able to upgrade now, and then again on the 13th to get the final
[04:46] <nalioth> _jason: whatever you like, apt-get will keep you up to date
[04:46] <nalioth> imc_: install k3b
[04:46] <_jason> nalioth, Gwildor: is it relatively stable then?
[04:46] <imc_> Grazie, nalioth except I'm on gnome  will that present a problem (it used to the last time I tried)
[04:46] <nalioth> Gwildor: explain properly please, upgrades come 100/day now for breezy
[04:46] <large_muscles> oxez: My connection keeps timing out when trying to connect to the different repositories.
[04:47] <nalioth> imc_: it should not, but if it does, use gnomebaker or graveman
[04:47] <large_muscles> oxez: Even when I try trough application installer
[04:47] <Gwildor> _jason, i dont know, i havent used ubuntu since jsut after the first release.......but i am DL-ing the priview release now
[04:47] <imc_> Thanks much
[04:47] <oxez> large_muscles: then I don't know I'm not really an expert, I'm more used to Gentoo. Sorry
[04:47] <nalioth> Gwildor: why not just upgrade via apt-get?
[04:47] <large_muscles> oxez: Thanks anyways, I'm no expert either.
[04:47] <Gwildor> _jason, my DL has like 3 hours left......ask me again in 4
[04:47] <LoKoZ> hi who can reponse at my answer?
[04:47] <Gwildor> nalioth, im not using a debian distro atm
[04:48] <eugene> Hello everyone
[04:48] <Gwildor> nalioth, only debian distro i currently run are live CD's (dsl)
[04:49] <nalioth> Gwildor: ah
[04:49] <yancheng> from the synaptic package manager, how i can noe which repository is a package came from?
[04:49] <nalioth> Gwildor: dsl is a debian distro
[04:49] <LoKoZ> who can reponse at my answer?
[04:49] <Gwildor> nalioth, i know....i run it live, and back-up to my pendrive....its not installed
[04:49] <Gwildor> LoKoZ, try asking something
[04:49] <nalioth> LoKoZ: ask your question again so new people here can read it
[04:50] <yancheng> right click on the properties doesn't get much info
[04:50] <epic___> Anyone know how to get these pesky mount points off the desktop?
[04:50] <_jason> ok I;m gonna go ahead and upgrade then
[04:50] <LoKoZ> the best P2P for ubuntu who is?
[04:50] <eugene> quick ? for someone, how do you get support to play wmv content from the web.  Totem is saying that it doesn't have the codec
[04:50] <Gwildor> yancheng, i think it will say in the description........but i cant say for sure....its been a while since i used synaptic
[04:50] <LoKoZ> I know some but....
[04:51] <large_muscles> eugene: Do you mean get them to play embedded in a web browser?
[04:51] <Gwildor> LoKoZ, its really personal preference....find one that uses the same servers as the client you used in windows
[04:51] <eugene> exactly large_muscles
[04:51] <large_muscles> eugene: You might want to try the mplayer mozilla plugin.
[04:51] <large_muscles> eugene: Although I've tried it, and it doesn't work for anything for me.
[04:51] <fes_> I've got two printers I am not sure which is lp0 and lp1 ??
[04:52] <LoKoZ> mmh but I wan't a P2P fast and rapid....undestand?
[04:52] <eugene> ok where can I find that at?
[04:52] <stefan_> danielbo: you there?
[04:52] <large_muscles> LoKoZ: Did you try Limewire?
[04:52] <nalioth> ubotu: tell stefan_ about pastebin
[04:52] <Gwildor> large_muscles, eugene , did you grab the codec pack? (even though i am not positive the codec pack contains the WMV codec)
[04:52] <large_muscles> eugene: Use Syanptic, search mplayer, it should be there.
[04:52] <fes_> how do I know which USB printer is lp0 and lp1 ??
[04:52] <LoKoZ> I don't check it online for debian
[04:52] <stefan_> nalioth ubuntu: yes please
[04:53] <BlankB> fes_ print something different to both of them.
[04:53] <eugene> Thank you large_muscles.  And Gwildor I didn't know about a codec pack
[04:53] <eugene> Gwildor where can I find that at?
[04:53] <nalioth> stefan_: look at your private messages
[04:53] <robbkidd> Anyone know if dpkg maintains a version history?  I need to look up what version of a package I had a few updates ago.
[04:53] <large_muscles> Gwildor: Yeah I grabbed it, it doesn't seem to work for anything though, not just .wmv.  It will load the file to about 25% and just stop after that.
[04:53] <mahangu> eugene, you need to enable multiverse in your sources.list for mplayer
[04:53] <stefan_> nalioth: how?
[04:53] <Gwildor> eugene, im not sure.....check the ubuntu handbook...or whatever they are calling it these days
[04:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell eugene about w32codecs
[04:53] <nalioth> stefan_: what irc client do you use?
[04:53] <Gwildor> TY nalioth
[04:54] <large_muscles> Anyone know what this is about?
[04:54] <large_muscles> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:54] <robbkidd> g/mplayer doesn't work for me when called by double-clicking items in Nautilus.  It does work when called from the command line.
[04:54] <stefan_> nalioth: X-chat but I think I got it
[04:54] <Gwildor> robbkidd, does it give any error messages?, or does another app lanuch instead?
[04:54] <LoKoZ> who can send me package of limewire for Ubuntu?
[04:55] <LoKoZ> Kibuntu...
[04:55] <nalioth> large_muscles: package is unavailable
[04:55] <nalioth> LoKoZ: use synaptic
[04:55] <LoKoZ> kubuntu
[04:55] <large_muscles> nalioth: I'm getting that for every package.
[04:55] <LoKoZ> don't stare here
[04:55] <nalioth> large_muscles: then the site may be down atm
[04:55] <Gwildor> large_muscles, try apt-get update......see if that gives any errors
[04:56] <large_muscles> Gwildor: I've tried that, and it's timing out at every repository.
[04:56] <nalioth> LoKoZ: use apt-get or kynaptic, if you are on kubuntu
[04:56] <Gwildor> large_muscles, not good
[04:56] <Gwildor> lol
[04:56] <large_muscles> Gwildor: I figured.
[04:56] <Gwildor> large_muscles, im niot in debian atm, i cant help
[04:56] <large_muscles> Gwildor: It was working last night, but not today.
[04:56] <dreamwave> how do i add a new panel in gnome?
[04:56] <robbkidd> gwildor: Sorry, I didn't give much detail.  It runs, plays video, but no audio.  Audio works when called from the command line.
[04:57] <large_muscles> dreamwav: Right click on the panel, then click "new panel"