[00:01] <Dab202> that helps
[00:01] <Dab202> thanks
[00:29] <nikolam> Dab202, also take a look at the unetbootin to make bootable usb drive : http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ , can make usb bootable drives out of already-existing .iso`s
[00:38] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: you suggested that i get ubufox to fix some download preferences, i lookd for it in synaptic and its showing that its already installed... i noticed there were firefox updates in the last couple days, could this be a bug associated with the updates?
[00:39] <mikubuntu> TheSheep: instead of offering to 'open with application', firefox only wants to offer me to save files
[00:49] <CppIsWeird> after upgrading to 8.10, my xubuntu boot gets stuck on "* Starting basic networking..." QUITE frequently, I have to reboot 5 or 6 times to get it to fully boot.
[01:13] <CppIsWeird> up to rebooting 11 times now.
[01:15] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: weird
[01:16] <XFCEntral> #ubuntu-server
[01:24] <CppIsWeird> zChris__: yeah, i pretty much figured that out on my own (15)
[01:25] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: its really weird
[01:25] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: checked the logs ?
[01:25] <CppIsWeird> cant get that far
[01:25] <zChris__> hmm
[01:25] <zChris__> no safemode for linux ?
[01:25] <zChris__> DHCP?
[01:26] <CppIsWeird> cant get that far.
[01:26] <zChris__> ?
[01:26] <CppIsWeird> oh, thats in grub, nvm
[01:26] <zChris__> :D
[01:27] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: How is your network setup ?
[01:27] <CppIsWeird> the network cable is unplugged even
[01:27] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: isit set on DHCP?
[01:28] <CppIsWeird> yes
[01:28] <zChris__> tried booting it when its plugged in so it can retrieve a ip ?
[01:29] <CppIsWeird> yes, it started out plugged in... ive unplugged it as an attempt to fix it.
[01:30] <zChris__> hmm it dosent reboot automaticly, you get tired and reboot it right ?
[01:30] <CppIsWeird> yep
[01:31] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: how long have you waited?
[01:31] <CppIsWeird> ive left it for like 20 minutes once, still nothing
[01:31] <zChris__> ah oeky
[01:32] <zChris__> CppIsWeird: do you use grub ?
[02:06] <Derek_S> Hi !
[02:07] <Derek_S> Running xfce for the 1st time
[02:07] <Derek_S> and doing so on a persistent usb key
[02:07] <Derek_S> anyway...
[02:07] <Derek_S> since I m using xubuntu on a netbook which has a low vertical resolution
[02:08] <Derek_S> I did move the menu bar located on the bottom of the screen to the left of the screen
[02:08] <Derek_S> and something just acts strangely compared to the default Gnome behaviour (well at a later stage this produces bugs but that's a different story) :
[02:09] <Derek_S> the later cliked on bar goes over the other one
[02:10] <Derek_S> as in gnome the (new in that position) left bar wouldn' take the space where the upper bar is located
[02:10] <Derek_S> shrinking in a way
[02:10] <Derek_S> I hope I'm clear enough to be understood :/
[02:12] <XFCEntral> so you're trying to move the menu bars around, where usually there is one on the top and another at the bottom?
[02:12] <Derek_S> exactly
[02:12] <Derek_S> trying to move the bottom one to the left
[02:12] <XFCEntral> okay. and then the other (the top) decides to cover it
[02:12] <Derek_S> it actually works, except that both bars share the same upper left space
[02:12] <XFCEntral> oooh
[02:12] <XFCEntral> so theyre overlapping
[02:13] <Derek_S> (and when the upper bar covers the left bar, it also hides some icons)
[02:13] <Derek_S> yep
[02:13] <XFCEntral> i see
[02:13] <XFCEntral> i just tried it out on my desktop
[02:13] <Derek_S> I m really a newbie :)
[02:14] <XFCEntral> i also tried making one of the menu bars variable length to see if i could adjust it to the point where it doesnt cover...
[02:14] <XFCEntral> no such luck
[02:14] <XFCEntral> no problem!
[02:14] <Derek_S> under XP I used to have the bar on the left too
[02:14] <Derek_S> and well when I first tried gnome
[02:14] <Derek_S> I did the same
[02:14] <Derek_S> the overlapping trouble doesn't occur
[02:14] <Derek_S> BUT
[02:14] <Derek_S> moving the lower bar to the side
[02:14] <Derek_S> produces hanging and freezes randomly
[02:14] <Derek_S> hence I m trying xfce :)
[02:14] <Derek_S> and well
[02:14] <XFCEntral> ooh really? hmm
[02:15] <Derek_S> it s tempting
[02:15] <Derek_S> I must confess ^^
[02:15] <Derek_S> I also should add that I m running jaunty alpha 5
[02:15] <XFCEntral> oh i see
[02:15] <Derek_S> (since Ibex doesn't work out of the box on my netbook)
[02:15] <XFCEntral> im running GNOME and Xfce on Ubuntu 8.10
[02:15] <XFCEntral> what netbook do you have?
[02:15] <Derek_S> Samsung NC10
[02:16] <XFCEntral> oh cool. ive got eeeXubuntu running on my Asus Eee 701
[02:16] <XFCEntral> its Xubuntu 7.10 basically. haha
[02:16] <Derek_S> frankly I really like my netbbok
[02:16] <Derek_S> the keybvoard is very nice
[02:16] <Derek_S> the touchpad is somewhat little but there's a cool feature under XP that makes it up for it
[02:17] <XFCEntral> oh yeah? is it closer to full-size than the other netbooks? most people find my Eee's keyboard too small to type on. its fine for me
[02:17] <Derek_S> (I don't think such a thing does exist yet for linux)
[02:17] <Derek_S> yep
[02:17] <XFCEntral> how does it fix that?
[02:17] <Derek_S> 10 inch screen
[02:17] <XFCEntral> nice
[02:17] <Derek_S> and the keyboard is really usable
[02:17] <XFCEntral> ive got the "old" 7in screen haha
[02:17] <Derek_S> well it kind of "emulates" a trackball behaviour
[02:17] <Derek_S> so your finger movements have inertia
[02:18] <XFCEntral> hmm i think thats called acceleration when you set that up. im not sure though
[02:18] <Derek_S> nope :)
[02:18] <Derek_S> that s something different ;)
[02:18] <XFCEntral> ohh. not the slightest clue then haha
[02:18] <Derek_S> it s really inertia
[02:18] <Derek_S> acceleration allows you to cover a larger portion of the screen
[02:18] <Derek_S> would you move the finger fast
[02:18] <XFCEntral> so the cursor continues on relative to the force you use?
[02:18] <Derek_S> exactly
[02:18] <XFCEntral> hmm neat
[02:19] <Derek_S> I think so
[02:19] <Derek_S> a cool idea by samsung really
[02:19] <Derek_S> but well
[02:19] <XFCEntral> yeah ive never thought of that
[02:19] <Derek_S> they are releasing a new version of the netbook
[02:19] <Derek_S> with a larger touchpad :)
[02:19] <Derek_S> in the end the only limitation of that computer
[02:19] <Derek_S> is it s screen resolution...
[02:19] <Derek_S> as for most netbooks :)
[02:19] <Derek_S> 600 vertical pixels
[02:19] <XFCEntral> yes true
[02:19] <XFCEntral> ooooh
[02:20] <Derek_S> that is sometimes limitating
[02:20] <XFCEntral> yeah my Eee has 800x480 i believe
[02:20] <Derek_S> (that s also why I want to move bars around ^^)
[02:20] <Derek_S> 1024 x 600 here
[02:20] <Derek_S> I think I could do with 1 more inch
[02:20] <Derek_S> to reach 1200 x 800
[02:20] <Derek_S> but still
[02:20] <XFCEntral> true
[02:20] <Derek_S> I m VERY pleased with my netbook
[02:21] <XFCEntral> ive been trying different things with the toolbars and cant seem to fix that overlap
[02:21] <Derek_S> of course with its resolution it can only be a second comp'
[02:21] <XFCEntral> thats good, mine really comes in handy to take with me to class
[02:21] <Derek_S> hehe same thing here, I throw it in a bag
[02:21] <Derek_S> typing with 10 fingers on the keyboard was a must for me
[02:21] <XFCEntral> yup. smaller than most of my books
[02:21] <XFCEntral> yeahh
[02:22] <XFCEntral> i do have a tiny keyboard but i got used to it right away and now im back up to speed by now
[02:22] <Derek_S> even the WIND (with a 9 inch screen) keyboard was not confy enough for my big fingers :)
[02:22] <Derek_S> and my bad habits
[02:22] <XFCEntral> ive yet to try the WIND
[02:22] <Derek_S> well rather try the sammy ;)
[02:22] <Derek_S> the battery lifetime is also quite good
[02:22] <XFCEntral> whatever HP is selling seemed awkward to me... extremely awkward
[02:22] <XFCEntral> oh yeah?
[02:22] <Derek_S> yep
[02:23] <Derek_S> more than 4 hours without doing anything to save power
[02:23] <XFCEntral> ive got the camera off in the BIOS and i get about 3 hours i guess
[02:23] <XFCEntral> nice
[02:23] <Derek_S> you can beath the 5h barrier using tricks
[02:23] <XFCEntral> thats enough to get through a day of class
[02:23] <Derek_S> you should definitely hunt for some reviews :)
[02:23] <Derek_S> and btw
[02:24] <XFCEntral> definitely
[02:24] <Derek_S> I m not a Samsung salesman :)
[02:24] <XFCEntral> haha
[02:24] <XFCEntral> no worries
[02:24] <XFCEntral> ive sold so many Eee's in the past year, Asus owes me commission. i just... talk about it
[02:24] <Derek_S> so about that behaviour
[02:24] <XFCEntral> but i guess people love the idea in general
[02:24] <Derek_S> do you thing it should be reported ?
[02:24] <XFCEntral> yeahh im not finding a work around
[02:24] <Derek_S> *think
[02:24] <XFCEntral> id see it more as an oversight in the way it should function than a bug
[02:25] <Derek_S> gnome does behave differently
[02:25] <XFCEntral> as far as Xfce is concerned
[02:25] <Derek_S> and rightfully in my eyes I m afraid to say
[02:25] <Derek_S> (but since it kind of crashes the system, you can guess why I don't want to use it ^^ )
[02:26] <XFCEntral> yeahhh. after a big RAM upgrade i went back to using GNOME on my desktop. if it can handle it all comfortable, of course i use that. but i use Xfce on the tiny netbook and again on the desktop to help with testing
[02:26] <XFCEntral> im with you on the crashing
[02:26] <Derek_S> I guess moving the bars to sides will gain in popularity with netbooks
[02:26] <Derek_S> you try every trick possible to save vertical space :)
[02:26] <XFCEntral> oh i know about that. haha
[02:27] <XFCEntral> no status bars, small icons in all apps
[02:27] <XFCEntral> one menu bar
[02:27] <XFCEntral> you know you can reduce it to one right?
[02:27] <Derek_S> hmmm
[02:27] <XFCEntral> my tiny Eee is set up like that
[02:27] <Derek_S> you mean to using only one bar ?
[02:28] <XFCEntral> Application menu all the way to the left, a few launcher icons, my task list (programs) and far right i have the clock and systray
[02:28] <XFCEntral> yes
[02:28] <XFCEntral> its plenty of space on that tiny screen
[02:28] <Derek_S> well I didn't know
[02:28] <Derek_S> and what about moving the icons in the left bar ?
[02:28] <Derek_S> so none would be masked by overlapping
[02:29] <Derek_S> not a very clean solution, but one I could live with ^^
[02:29] <XFCEntral> you could add a Separator/Spacing on the left bar before the icons to push them down, but they seem to go down too far...
[02:30] <Derek_S> I tried KDE some weeks ago, definitely too confusing for me :)
[02:30] <Derek_S> hmm
[02:31] <Derek_S> well then I might try your solution
[02:31] <XFCEntral> yeahh not personally a fan of KDE
[02:31] <Derek_S> how do you move the icons from the "left" bar to the upper ones ?
[02:31] <XFCEntral> also, try the toolbar as "Normal Width" instead of Full Width
[02:31] <Derek_S> (provided you can do so)
[02:31] <XFCEntral> so you want them on a single toolbar?
[02:31] <Derek_S> yep
[02:31] <Derek_S> btw just a quick point
[02:32] <XFCEntral> ohh, just RightClick > Move to the other toolbar in place
[02:32] <Derek_S> under windows I use the starting bar on the left
[02:32] <XFCEntral> mhm
[02:32] <Derek_S> since it enables to have more app windows
[02:32] <Derek_S> to be seen at the same time
[02:32] <Derek_S> so it s way quicker to change the active window
[02:32] <Derek_S> since all of them can be seen on the bar
[02:32] <XFCEntral> yeahhh the Task List they call it in Xfce
[02:33] <XFCEntral> you can place that on the right side of you Applications menu
[02:33] <XFCEntral> or, if you have icons such as Firefox etc next to the Applications menu, place your Task List (open applications list) just to the right of those
[02:34] <Derek_S> well
[02:34] <Derek_S> following your advice
[02:34] <XFCEntral> suppose you move everything to the top MenuBar. youll need to know theres a Spacer up there keeping your menu and your clock apart. right click the empty space and remove the separator/spacing
[02:34] <Derek_S> I moved all icons from the original bottom bar to the upper one
[02:34] <XFCEntral> the TaskList will provide the separation
[02:34] <XFCEntral> something go wrong?
[02:34] <Derek_S> I wonder if there s any use having the trashbin handy I must confess :)
[02:35] <XFCEntral> ohh. you can remove that and use the one on the desktop
[02:35] <Derek_S> so far so good
[02:35] <Derek_S> trying to remove the now empty bar :)
[02:35] <XFCEntral> i believe the Trash applet (menu bar) uses system resources
[02:36] <Derek_S> found it
[02:36] <Derek_S> just press minus
[02:36] <Derek_S> in some configuring menu :)
[02:36] <XFCEntral> to remove the panel? yup
[02:36] <Derek_S> now trying to move the remaining bar to the side
[02:36] <XFCEntral> just one left
[02:37] <XFCEntral> ?
[02:37] <Derek_S> yep
[02:37] <Derek_S> hmm
[02:37] <Derek_S> looks akward
[02:37] <Derek_S> some icons are too big
[02:37] <XFCEntral> the text running sideways and all that
[02:37] <XFCEntral> ohh
[02:38] <XFCEntral> you can adjust the panel size, that may help
[02:39] <Derek_S> hmm
[02:39] <Derek_S> the larger the bar is
[02:39] <Derek_S> the more vertical space icons use
[02:39] <Derek_S> (since they grow bigger )
[02:39] <XFCEntral> right
[02:40] <Brad450> anyone here have a PS3
[02:40] <Brad450> ?
[02:40] <Derek_S> nope Brad450  but you can send yours to me ;-)
[02:40] <XFCEntral> ive tried it out by making the one toolbar on the leftside, and making it "Normal Width." it seems decent
[02:41] <XFCEntral> btw Derek_S, does your Applications menu say "Applications" after the icon?
[02:41] <Derek_S> well
[02:41] <Derek_S> it says
[02:41] <Derek_S> Appli :)
[02:41] <XFCEntral> haha
[02:41] <Derek_S> but that s ok with me :)
[02:41] <XFCEntral> right click that menu
[02:42] <Derek_S> well that does offer some tunings
[02:43] <Derek_S> but I don't know which one would help :)
[02:43] <XFCEntral> untick the box that says show name or something to that effect
[02:43] <XFCEntral> you can make it show only the icon and save some space
[02:43] <Derek_S> ah right
[02:43] <Derek_S> actually it would be nice to have the icons in a smaller size
[02:43] <Brad450> how can i install a kernal update. will it make things run faster. iam on a PS3 so its s little hard lol and what exactly is "compileing"
[02:44] <Derek_S> forcing them to be says 32x32 or any figure that would work
[02:44] <Derek_S> wow Brad450  you're my hero :)
[02:44] <Derek_S> I didn't know you could run xubuntu with a ps3
[02:45] <XFCEntral> yeahh you can run Linux on quite a lot of devices
[02:45] <XFCEntral> with a little extra effort
[02:45] <Derek_S> (trying to reduce those icons, such as the bluetooth one)
[02:45] <XFCEntral> even Nintendo DS devices, I've got Linux on my Palm T|X
[02:45] <Derek_S> lol
[02:46] <XFCEntral> so you want the panel size to remain the size it is, but reduce the size of the icons?
[02:46] <Derek_S> well I m not sure it s very handy but it s a nice challenge
[02:46] <Derek_S> exactly
[02:46] <XFCEntral> right, its mostly for fun
[02:46] <Derek_S> I picked a 40 pixels width for now
[02:46] <Derek_S> (32 would have been my 1st choice but well it might be too little)
[02:47] <Derek_S> and I ve got 5 icons eating the half of the height
[02:47] <Brad450> wheres charlie_tca or zoredache
[02:47] <XFCEntral> wow
[02:47] <XFCEntral> and they are?
[02:47] <Derek_S> trashbin, show desktop, bluetooth, wireless connection, xchat, sound
[02:47] <Derek_S> ok that s 7
[02:47] <Derek_S> STILL ;)
[02:48] <XFCEntral> and how many vertical pixels do you have?
[02:49] <Derek_S> total ? 600
[02:49] <Derek_S> I d like to have the default icons available even in tiny size
[02:49] <Derek_S> so I could see say 4 5 tasks
[02:50] <XFCEntral> okay
[02:50] <Derek_S> I can't believe I m the first one to have such demands :)
[02:51] <Derek_S> it all seems logical to me :)
[02:51] <XFCEntral> I'm running Xfce on my Eee right now and I see what you what you mean about it taking up all that space...
[02:51] <XFCEntral> having the panel at 40 definitely ruins that haha
[02:51] <Derek_S> hehe
[02:51] <Derek_S> well yes, you would like the icons to stay as tiny
[02:51] <Derek_S> as they are with a smaller width
[02:52] <XFCEntral> at 24 theyre pretty small
[02:52] <Derek_S> best would be to have two rows
[02:52] <Derek_S> so for instance
[02:52] <Derek_S> you d have a 48 pixels width
[02:52] <Derek_S> with 2 24 rows
[02:53] <Derek_S> I can understand it s not possible as of now, but I would definitely recommand the great guys developping would consider this evolution
[02:53] <XFCEntral> well you might try two 24width panels then
[02:53] <Derek_S> as it s a matter of optimisation for us, netbook users :)
[02:53] <Derek_S> hehehe
[02:53] <XFCEntral> mhm
[02:53] <Derek_S> good idea :)
[02:53] <XFCEntral> i think theres a nice netbook interface you can get from the repositories
[02:54] <Derek_S> well I must admit I m kind of "racist" when it comes to specific interfaces :)
[02:54] <Derek_S> that s all prejudices
[02:54] <Derek_S> but I d rather adapt a universal solution
[02:54] <Derek_S> so I would think I could do everything
[02:54] <XFCEntral> haha most users are that particular about desktop environments, i think youll find
[02:55] <Derek_S> rather than trying an already optimised netbook environnement that would not be working in specific situations
[02:55] <XFCEntral> looks like the "two 24width panels" thing wont work
[02:55] <XFCEntral> i know you can stack panels in GNOME
[02:55] <Derek_S> I propose
[02:55] <Derek_S> we would ransom some popular xubuntu developper
[02:56] <XFCEntral> you know what, im having a problem right now, too. my App menu won't let me right click it to move it! at all. no right-click action. lol ill need to restart or log-out and back in perhaps...
[02:56] <Derek_S> and only let him go after we gain some support for our netbooks ;)
[02:56] <XFCEntral> haha
[02:56] <XFCEntral> well really the features you see in Xubuntu in relation to the desktop are inherited from Xfce
[02:57] <XFCEntral> the desktop environment
[02:57] <Derek_S> it s always frustrating to consider that XP behaves better in a specific respect
[02:57] <XFCEntral> Xubuntu is simply Ubuntu running Xfce instead
[02:57] <Derek_S> the bar behaviour on the side isn't perfect, but works very well most of the time
[02:57] <Derek_S> and little width isn't a problem
[02:57] <XFCEntral> yeahhh
[02:58] <Derek_S> it "auto optimizes" quite well
[02:58] <Derek_S> I m not saying
[02:58] <Derek_S> you should install XP to check :)
[02:58] <XFCEntral> tell me what you think about this setup: http://weblogs2.nrc.nl/hebben/wp-content/uploads/06_2008/ubuntu_netbook_remix_flickr_njpatel.jpg
[02:58] <XFCEntral> ive used XP
[02:58] <XFCEntral> i finally erased it recently since I don't have a need for it on my hard disk ;-) hehe
[02:58] <Derek_S> you lucky man
[02:58] <XFCEntral> like most people I came from windows to linux
[02:59] <XFCEntral> i wonder who out there was raised on Linux since they were a kid
[02:59] <Derek_S> I m trying to escape too
[02:59] <XFCEntral> besides my future children
[02:59] <Derek_S> well some do start with ubuntu
[02:59] <Derek_S> for total newbies
[02:59] <Derek_S> it can work
[02:59] <Derek_S> think of grandmas
[02:59] <Derek_S> that want to do some surfing
[02:59] <Derek_S> emailing
[02:59] <Derek_S> and maybe some word processing
[03:00] <Derek_S> ubuntu might be simpler in the end
[03:00] <XFCEntral> ohh. i guess everyone from my generation who has already started used win 3.1 or 95 or 98, 2000 and so on... at some point, and then MAYBE they discovered Linux
[03:00] <Derek_S> no worries with firewalls or antivirus
[03:00] <XFCEntral> very few of my friends and classmates even know what Linux is. haha
[03:01] <Derek_S> it s still relatively geek/ for programmers
[03:01] <XFCEntral> well with any installation i would definitely pay attention to configuring my firewall properly, especially if youre not behind a NAT Router/Firewall etc
[03:01] <Derek_S> but it is making huge progress
[03:01] <XFCEntral> yeahhh its nice to see that
[03:01] <Derek_S> besides Microsoft does many things to boost linux :)
[03:02] <XFCEntral> hehe
[03:02] <Derek_S> at some point you want to escape the limitations imposed by an editor
[03:02] <Derek_S> such as throwing your peripherals because you re chaging
[03:02] <Derek_S> OS
[03:02] <XFCEntral> well i think a lot of people have been let down by Vista and they find that using a free alternative like Linux is a good idea in tougher economic times, as opposed to choosing a very expensive Macbook
[03:02] <XFCEntral> yeahhh
[03:02] <Derek_S> (I remember I had that laser canon printer that wouldn't work with XP )
[03:03] <Derek_S> (it worked fine with
[03:03] <XFCEntral> I like having control with Linux. Every once in a while, I'd have a look at my XP install, and I'd feel suffocated. haha
[03:03] <Derek_S> 98 / 95 )
[03:03] <XFCEntral> ohh
[03:03] <Derek_S> well the trouble with xp also is that it "degenerates"
[03:03] <Derek_S> the more you use it, the less it s working :)
[03:03] <XFCEntral> yup
[03:04] <Derek_S> and linux has some cool features
[03:04] <Derek_S> such as auto defragmenting
[03:04] <Derek_S> not to mention the automatisation you can work on using the command line
[03:04] <XFCEntral> well the filesystems you might use on Linux will definitely be more resistant to the behavior that requires defrag (with Wins NTFS)
[03:04] <Derek_S> you know I m longing to find some evolution of current eeebox and equivalents
[03:04] <Derek_S> with esata ports
[03:05] <Derek_S> an HDMI port
[03:05] <Derek_S> and why not enough power to run a HD movie (that s not a must)
[03:05] <XFCEntral> true
[03:05] <Derek_S> that would definitely push me in learning linux enough
[03:05] <Derek_S> to have my own web/file/ftp/mail server
[03:05] <XFCEntral> its been a lot of fun learning Linux, for me. the most fun ive ever had in my life
[03:06] <Derek_S> the low consumming 24 hours a day running PC
[03:06] <Derek_S> don't say that!
[03:06] <XFCEntral> haha say what?
[03:06] <Derek_S> I can't believe it :)
[03:06] <XFCEntral> ohh
[03:06] <Derek_S> it might be cool :)
[03:06] <XFCEntral> no really, its very rewarding for me
[03:06] <Derek_S> but the most fun ?!
[03:06] <XFCEntral> eh
[03:06] <XFCEntral> alright there are plenty of fun things for me to do
[03:06] <XFCEntral> and a lot of them i can do outside, too. haha
[03:07] <Derek_S> I d say partying with friends learning how to get drunk when I was a teen
[03:07] <Derek_S> was more fun that linux could ever be ;)
[03:07] <XFCEntral> but if i had to do one of my hobbies for a living... itd be with Linux
[03:07] <XFCEntral> hey i had a few beers with my buddies while I set up their web/email server for their small business. haha
[03:07] <XFCEntral> its all the experience you make of it
[03:07] <Derek_S> haha
[03:08] <Derek_S> sure it s the usage you can make of it
[03:08] <Derek_S> hosting your own website/Forum
[03:08] <Derek_S> and doing it for friends
[03:08] <XFCEntral> the effort Linux might require isnt unique to Linux--many things require studying and practice. like martial arts. but once you reach a certain point of mastery it can be extremely rewarding. youll see!
[03:08] <Derek_S> (that would kill you would it go offline for more than 10 minutes :) )
[03:08] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:09] <Derek_S> well I ve some DOS experience
[03:09] <Derek_S> I also did play with regular expressions some years ago
[03:09] <Derek_S> I think I can feel linux's power :)
[03:09] <XFCEntral> I think you'll find the command line in Linux is much more powerful
[03:09] <XFCEntral> the more you learn, its more power to you
[03:09] <Derek_S> but it remains somewhat hard to get into standing from where I am :)
[03:10] <Derek_S> I mean
[03:10] <Derek_S> I want to learn
[03:10] <Derek_S> that s why I have a double boot on my netbook
[03:10] <Derek_S> but there remains some annoying bugs
[03:10] <XFCEntral> yeahh. i dual-booted linux and windows for the longest time
[03:10] <Derek_S> hopefully jaunty will remove most of them
[03:10] <Derek_S> but that s a couple of months to wait
[03:10] <XFCEntral> over time i used Win less and Linux more
[03:10] <XFCEntral> yeahhh
[03:11] <Derek_S> as for my desktop computer...
[03:11] <Derek_S> well it s an antiquity :)
[03:11] <XFCEntral> ive heard great things already about Karmic Koala, the release following Jaunty
[03:11] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:11] <Derek_S> I m waiting for Windows 7 to consider getting a new one
[03:11] <XFCEntral> old computers can often times work better with the right Linux distro
[03:11] <Derek_S> well I want to get rid of it :)
[03:11] <Derek_S> you know the story
[03:11] <XFCEntral> ohh well theres always that too
[03:12] <Derek_S> it s been like 2 years that I m considering changing
[03:12] <XFCEntral> ive just got about 8 I keep around still haha
[03:12] <Derek_S> I got the money as of now
[03:12] <Derek_S> but wedll
[03:12] <XFCEntral> my desktop ive had since 2006
[03:12] <Derek_S> mine has 7 years !
[03:12] <XFCEntral> well thats pushing it perhaps. haha
[03:12] <Derek_S> XP 1900+ / 1 GB
[03:12] <XFCEntral> a few hardware upgrades and you could be set
[03:12] <Derek_S> it must be as powerful as my netbook lol
[03:13] <Derek_S> well I m dreaming of the last Intel baby
[03:13] <XFCEntral> in the case of my desktop, i quadrupled my RAM (512mb to 2gb) and replaced the monitor speakers and keyboard
[03:13] <Derek_S> since I tend to have tons of apps running at the same time
[03:13] <XFCEntral> yeahhh
[03:13] <Derek_S> I can use 100 firefox tabs simultaneously
[03:13] <XFCEntral> shite haha
[03:13] <Derek_S> and would I be able to compress video
[03:13] <Derek_S> and listen to mp3s at the same time
[03:13] <Derek_S> I would be a happy user :)
[03:14] <Derek_S> oh
[03:14] <Derek_S> and my desktop is 1600 x 1200
[03:14] <XFCEntral> niice. im up from 1024x768 to 1440x900
[03:14] <Derek_S> when I told that to a mozilla guy
[03:14] <Derek_S> he had those round eyes :)
[03:14] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:14] <XFCEntral> i know what you mean
[03:14] <Derek_S> "ah right well you're not the typical user you know"
[03:15] <Derek_S> well there are many sites I like to follow
[03:15] <Derek_S> news
[03:15] <Derek_S> weather
[03:15] <Derek_S> blogs
[03:15] <Derek_S> forums
[03:15] <XFCEntral> yeahh exactly
[03:15] <Derek_S> and I like to be able to just refresh
[03:15] <Derek_S> the windows
[03:15] <XFCEntral> ive got the weather in my desktop panel
[03:15] <Derek_S> to see what are the changes
[03:15] <XFCEntral> there are applets for updating your RSS feeds and so on
[03:16] <Derek_S> well I must confess
[03:16] <Derek_S> I should try RSS feeds
[03:16] <XFCEntral> yeahhh. and then place the feeds along your Firefox bookmarks toolbar
[03:16] <Derek_S> well you know
[03:16] <XFCEntral> drop down the menu to see what the latest posts/news are
[03:16] <Derek_S> it s lie those bookmarks
[03:16] <Derek_S> I have a full attic of bookmarks to sort :)
[03:17] <Derek_S> the kind of thing you are never pleased to do :)
[03:17] <Derek_S> it s like you would spend a whole day doing it
[03:17] <Derek_S> would be happy of having done it
[03:17] <Derek_S> and you would be unable of giving an explication of what you d have done from your time
[03:18] <Derek_S> to another person
[03:18] <Derek_S> the day you d do that ;)
[03:18] <Derek_S> it s like reinstalling windows and all of your apps :)
[03:18] <Derek_S> it would take me days
[03:18] <Derek_S> and well it might just take me days in the coming days since I should change my system disk :)
[03:19] <Derek_S> ( my old 40GB deskstar is running full and running tired)
[03:19] <Derek_S> so ironically I might end being able to have ubuntu run on my desktop computer before changing PCs
[03:20] <Derek_S> (as for the ubuntu netbook remix interface, well it looks confusing as it looks different)
[03:22] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:23] <Derek_S> btw where are you living ?
[03:23] <XFCEntral> yeahhh the netbook remix is... different and i havent used it personally
[03:23] <XFCEntral> florida (us)
[03:23] <Derek_S> you should have a better weather than here in Paris ;)
[03:23] <Derek_S> (France)
[03:23] <Derek_S> (
[03:24] <XFCEntral> how is it?
[03:24] <Derek_S> well I m unsure you get Celsius temperatures :/
[03:24] <Derek_S> and I can't do the conversions
[03:24] <Derek_S> but say it s chilly
[03:24] <Derek_S> and grey
[03:24] <Derek_S> though right now
[03:25] <Derek_S> it s more black than grey
[03:25] <XFCEntral> its 16C here
[03:25] <Derek_S> since it s night time :)
[03:25] <XFCEntral> yeahhh
[03:25] <Derek_S> it s nice you do the support in your time zone :)
[03:25] <XFCEntral> 11:25pm here
[03:26] <XFCEntral> yeah! well i try to be on this channel as much as possible. every so often its a big help for someone
[03:26] <XFCEntral> this support could be the difference between their computer working the way they need it or... not
[03:26] <Derek_S> that s the nice thing about x/k/ubuntu
[03:26] <Derek_S> exactly
[03:26] <Derek_S> though I must say
[03:26] <Derek_S> I ve been to the local 8.10 launch party
[03:27] <Derek_S> and the friendly aspect of the community
[03:27] <Derek_S> can turn frightening at times :)
[03:27] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:27] <XFCEntral> too friendly is it?
[03:27] <Derek_S> well
[03:27] <Derek_S> you were speaking of martial arts earlier
[03:27] <XFCEntral> yes
[03:28] <Derek_S> well there was some kind of a "sect" (proper word ?) aspect
[03:28] <Derek_S> in the way the way of behaving was described
[03:28] <XFCEntral> oooh i see
[03:28] <XFCEntral> like a cult?
[03:28] <XFCEntral> or a secret group? haha
[03:28] <Derek_S> especially in the fact you shouldn't argue
[03:28] <XFCEntral> ohh. so im guessing they didnt accept your opinions that XP may work better for you in some ways
[03:28] <Derek_S> not secret, but respecting a code of conduct
[03:28] <XFCEntral> okay
[03:29] <Derek_S> to  a point where it might be a little over the top
[03:29] <Derek_S> oh not at all
[03:29] <Derek_S> I didn't had any troubles
[03:29] <XFCEntral> oh okay
[03:29] <XFCEntral> just wondering, sometimes thats an issue
[03:29] <Derek_S> It s just the way a fellow community member
[03:29] <Derek_S> recognised
[03:29] <Derek_S> who reached a certain "rank"
[03:29] <Derek_S> (that thing too)
[03:29] <Derek_S> would talk of the community spirit
[03:30] <XFCEntral> ohh like seeing certain Linux users as being at an expert level etc
[03:30] <Derek_S> well they ve got funny names
[03:30] <Derek_S> with a certain distance too
[03:30] <XFCEntral> well in the Linux community especially, I think, being very skilled is seen as a great thing
[03:30] <Derek_S> master of the universe
[03:30] <Derek_S> and so on
[03:30] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:30] <XFCEntral> i know what you mean
[03:30] <Derek_S> (I don't think they take it too seriously : ) )
[03:30] <Derek_S> (I hope anywya :) )
[03:31] <Derek_S> anyway
[03:31] <Derek_S> but I m just nitpicking
[03:31] <XFCEntral> haha its okay
[03:31] <Derek_S> the bottomline was that I was very pleased by the discussions and support I got during that week-end
[03:31] <XFCEntral> thats great
[03:32] <Derek_S> yes such events are really great
[03:32] <Derek_S> because it s rewarding for community members
[03:32] <Derek_S> and they can meet and party too
[03:32] <XFCEntral> Linux users very often are super-enthusiastic about their system and Linux in general, and that should work out in your favor--they are eager to help you
[03:32] <XFCEntral> oh yeah we party
[03:32] <Derek_S> and also they re helping noobs as me :)
[03:32] <XFCEntral> you know, without paying for software, i have plenty of extra money for beer... haha
[03:32] <Derek_S> lol
[03:32] <Derek_S> that s a good line :)
[03:33] <XFCEntral> its not my own, i have to say. haha
[03:33] <Derek_S> you makeme think
[03:33] <Derek_S> after free software
[03:33] <Derek_S> free brewering ^
[03:33] <Derek_S> ^ ^
[03:33] <XFCEntral> yessss
[03:33] <XFCEntral> its the only logical next step
[03:33] <Derek_S> I can imagine that
[03:34] <Derek_S> well I must also say
[03:34] <Derek_S> the cool thing about free software
[03:34] <Derek_S> is that s it s also ideology embeded
[03:34] <Derek_S> it s out of the usual tracks
[03:34] <Derek_S> and helps people broadening the way they are seeing world and society
[03:34] <XFCEntral> absolutely
[03:34] <Derek_S> it s not all about merchandise and money
[03:35] <XFCEntral> its a different way of doing things
[03:35] <XFCEntral> im writing a paper on the open source model right now for an economics class
[03:35] <Derek_S> hmm interesting
[03:35] <Derek_S> what is your "angle" in this paper ?
[03:35] <XFCEntral> it is, if i had to pick a topic that wouldnt kill me to write about, open source software would be on that list
[03:36] <Derek_S> open source directly question the branding rights
[03:36] <Derek_S> and copyright itself
[03:36] <XFCEntral> well a lot of people are unaware that this free and open source software exists. mainly, i introduce it and its benefits, how the open source model must be carried out to be successful, and also how and why corporations try to hurt the growth of FOSS software
[03:36] <Derek_S> we ve been hammered for decades if not centuries
[03:37] <Derek_S> that copyrights are a way to protect investments and research
[03:37] <Derek_S> but it s way more complex :)
[03:37] <XFCEntral> haha yeahh
[03:37] <XFCEntral> its not a simple issue
[03:37] <Derek_S> you know the question
[03:37] <Derek_S> of even moral rights
[03:37] <Derek_S> I mean the right of the creators
[03:38] <XFCEntral> right
[03:38] <Derek_S> such as for writers or composers
[03:38] <Derek_S> it has been questionned in history
[03:38] <Derek_S> we re living in a dominant model that can be questionned
[03:38] <Derek_S> some have said that as soon as piece of art / work is made public
[03:38] <Derek_S> it belongs to the public
[03:39] <Derek_S> the whole idea of copyrighting concepts seem crazy to my European eyes :)
[03:39] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:39] <XFCEntral> so you dont mind that software can be owned by no one, and that the public creates and maintains it?
[03:39] <Derek_S> lol of course I don't mind
[03:40] <XFCEntral> good!
[03:40] <Derek_S> and the whole licensing ideas are great
[03:40] <Derek_S> the concept of imposing sharing code for using open source code
[03:40] <Derek_S> that s a f***ing great one !
[03:40] <XFCEntral> i agree
[03:40] <Derek_S> it s really radical
[03:41] <XFCEntral> yeahhh for some its hard to understand how it works and to agree with you that its okay
[03:41] <Derek_S> when you think that many many business
[03:41] <XFCEntral> they think the only way is to charge and enforce copyright laws
[03:41] <Derek_S> work on taking advantage of positive externalities
[03:41] <Derek_S> and taking advantage of not assuming the negative produced
[03:41] <Derek_S> (such as pollution)
[03:42] <XFCEntral> right
[03:42] <Derek_S> hmmm that makes me think
[03:42] <Derek_S> have you seen that documentary
[03:42] <Derek_S> I think it s called
[03:42] <Derek_S> "the corporation"
[03:42] <XFCEntral> no i have not
[03:42] <Derek_S> it s about analyzing companies
[03:42] <Derek_S> as a person
[03:42] <Derek_S> using a psychanalistic grid
[03:43] <XFCEntral> hmm thats interesting
[03:43] <Derek_S> let met check if Igot the name right
[03:43] <XFCEntral> ive never thought of it that way--psychoanalysis as if the corporation were and individual
[03:43] <XFCEntral> *an
[03:44] <Derek_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation
[03:44] <Derek_S> well believe me
[03:44] <Derek_S> it s freaky
[03:44] <XFCEntral> oh! ive seen that cover before
[03:45] <Derek_S> :)
[03:45] <XFCEntral> that documentary and a lot of what we just spoke about, happens to be the topics of discussion in my Public Choice class
[03:45] <XFCEntral> the economics class i told you about
[03:46] <Derek_S> well that s nice
[03:46] <Derek_S> interesting topics really
[03:46] <XFCEntral> yeahh. out of all i have taken in 3 years there, its been one of the most thought-provoking courses
[03:46] <XFCEntral> you know of alexis de tocqueville?
[03:46] <Derek_S> I d recommend you d also watch "Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media"
[03:46] <XFCEntral> ill look into that
[03:47] <Derek_S> well yes but I ve not really read him
[03:47] <XFCEntral> oh okay. we just discussed his theories recently
[03:47] <Derek_S> and I m not joking
[03:47] <Derek_S> but reading Bourdieu changed my whole world vision
[03:47] <XFCEntral> we were talking about entrepreneurs
[03:47] <Derek_S> dunno if his rightly translated though
[03:47] <Derek_S> he's
[03:47] <XFCEntral> i see
[03:48] <Derek_S> I wonder if "questions de sociologie" has been translated
[03:48] <Derek_S> that would definitely the book I would recommend for a start
[03:48] <Derek_S> the guy is like linux
[03:48] <Derek_S> terrible to get into
[03:48] <XFCEntral> i could look
[03:48] <XFCEntral> haha
[03:49] <Derek_S> but you don't have anything as rewarding
[03:49] <XFCEntral> i know that story though--and ive gotten into linux haha
[03:49] <Derek_S> reading him makes you actually more clever
[03:50] <Derek_S> I also love a French director but well he s relatively unknown here and I doubt he s been translated
[03:50] <XFCEntral> Bourdieu then? I'll have to read up on him. so far i see he is a sociologist. i really enjoyed sociology
[03:50] <Derek_S> well I didn't learn it in school or college
[03:50] <Derek_S> so I bumped into that later than I would have wanted :)
[03:50] <XFCEntral> yeahhh. unfortunately we tend to hear about those topics only in college here
[03:51] <XFCEntral> unless you come about it through private study
[03:51] <Derek_S> well here they re trying to cut those studies
[03:51] <Derek_S> hmm
[03:51] <Derek_S> how to make it fast and clear...
[03:52] <Derek_S> well the current government is conservative and with a dangerous ideology
[03:52] <Derek_S> you know the story
[03:52] <Derek_S> cutting all state expense
[03:52] <XFCEntral> right
[03:52] <Derek_S> even if the global cost for Society
[03:52] <XFCEntral> theyre cutting Florida's educational spending by millions here
[03:53] <Derek_S> are to be much higher in the end
[03:53] <XFCEntral> and they're probably 50th out of 50 in spending already...
[03:53] <XFCEntral> i agree
[03:53] <XFCEntral> they dont seem to care...
[03:53] <Derek_S> and well what is education worth ?
[03:53] <Derek_S> you don't want people to think
[03:53] <Derek_S> they could get that they are imposed a way of living
[03:53] <Derek_S> that are not making them happy
[03:53] <Derek_S> and think it could be nice to change some things
[03:54] <Derek_S> it s better everything stays hidden or unquestionned
[03:54] <XFCEntral> so the strategy is to keep them uninformed
[03:54] <Derek_S> yes
[03:54] <Derek_S> and they would say education's purpose
[03:54] <Derek_S> is to provide job ready citizens
[03:54] <Derek_S> we ve got relative high unemployment
[03:55] <Derek_S> long studies have been a mean to avoid seeing the unemployment rate raise
[03:55] <Derek_S> for a long period
[03:55] <XFCEntral> i see. so something would be out of line with their logic...
[03:55] <Derek_S> in the end it s always better to have people learn instead of being paid the minimal social revenues
[03:55] <Derek_S> so they wouldn't totally starve
[03:56] <Derek_S> (those helps are also a way to ensure people do not question the social order)
[03:56] <XFCEntral> absolutely
[03:56] <Derek_S> (it s a good thing, but it has not be given out of total generosity)
[03:56] <Derek_S> and now
[03:56] <Derek_S> they want to cut the whole education system costs
[03:57] <Derek_S> it s not like the education system could create jobs in the job market
[03:57] <Derek_S> by some kind of magic
[03:57] <Derek_S> at least not by hundreds of thousands
[03:57] <Derek_S> it s all very conservative really
[03:57] <XFCEntral> yeahh
[03:57] <Derek_S> social reproduction shouldn't be questionned :)
[03:58] <XFCEntral> hehe
[03:58] <Derek_S> Bourdieu has dealt with many of those questions
[03:58] <Derek_S> I love his later thesis
[03:58] <Derek_S> but he has been made famous by his pointing at the social reproduction system
[03:58] <Derek_S> but he deals with very interesting questions too
[03:58] <Derek_S> such as tastes
[03:59] <Derek_S> how they are determined
[03:59] <XFCEntral> hmm
[03:59] <Derek_S> and there s nothing more shared than what he called "class" racism
[03:59] <Derek_S> (that actually works in both ways)
[04:00] <XFCEntral> i see that online, where his work has shown that our tastes--while we have freedom--are largely influenced by our class/place in society
[04:00] <Derek_S> ("lower" class people can express such despise against "higher" class people too though consequences are not the sames)
[04:00] <Derek_S> indeed
[04:00] <Derek_S> his thesis have been sometimes exagerated to criticize them
[04:00] <Derek_S> he always stated there are individual exceptions, freedoms
[04:00] <XFCEntral> right
[04:01] <Derek_S> but he would say there are "probable" tastes
[04:01] <XFCEntral> i can see that
[04:01] <Derek_S> the last little book I read from him
[04:01] <Derek_S> is about the political "field"
[04:01] <Derek_S> ("field" is one of the concept he developped)
[04:02] <XFCEntral> i see
[04:02] <Derek_S> he s pointing at the fact that the logics of the political actors
[04:02] <Derek_S> are often guided by logics that escape to the non political actors
[04:02] <Derek_S> the fact that some political issues
[04:02] <Derek_S> are seen as important ones
[04:03] <Derek_S> just because they allow political actors to differ from one to another
[04:03] <XFCEntral> its all about what helps them
[04:03] <Derek_S> it points out other things too but the idea is that there is a certain autonomy of the political field
[04:03] <Derek_S> which in the end is quite shocking
[04:04] <Derek_S> since it kind of escapes its purpose in a democracy
[04:04] <XFCEntral> of course
[04:04] <Derek_S> also Bourdieu schemes
[04:04] <Derek_S> is pointing at the fact
[04:04] <Derek_S> that you shouldn't focus on individuals
[04:05] <XFCEntral> widespread costs and concentrated benefits?
[04:05] <Derek_S> hmmm
[04:05] <Derek_S> that s not what I mean
[04:05] <XFCEntral> oh okay
[04:05] <Derek_S> in fact individuals don't have such a big responsability
[04:05] <XFCEntral> i thought you meant like special interest groups
[04:05] <Derek_S> in the fact their role in the system is escaping to them
[04:05] <Derek_S> and that most other individual in their shoes
[04:06] <Derek_S> would mecanichally end behaving in a close way
[04:06] <Derek_S> that s also where their thesis have something
[04:06] <Derek_S> that s also where their thesis have somethinghmm
[04:06] <Derek_S> let me rephrase it
[04:06] <Derek_S> Bourdieu also write on the media
[04:06] <Derek_S> and on that subject
[04:07] <Derek_S> he s an interesting view to add to Chomsky's
[04:07] <Derek_S> they complete one another
[04:07] <Derek_S> let me see if questions de sociologie is available in english
[04:07] <Derek_S> that s a really nice book
[04:07] <Derek_S> I had to read it maybe 3 times
[04:08] <Derek_S> to start really understanding it well
[04:08] <Derek_S> but it deals with most of the thems he s been working on
[04:09] <XFCEntral> im mostly finding in french online
[04:09] <XFCEntral> *it in french
[04:09] <Derek_S> well that s somewhat logical
[04:09] <Derek_S> but he s recognised in the USA
[04:09] <Derek_S> maybe even more than in France :)
[04:09] <XFCEntral> haha id suppose
[04:09] <Derek_S> because of the rivalries :)
[04:10] <XFCEntral> maybe ill have some luck eventually
[04:11] <Derek_S> searching atm
[04:11] <XFCEntral> brb
[04:11] <JoeBob>  Anybody know why might I get an error while trying to resize a partition?
[04:11] <Derek_S> maybe it s still mounted ,
[04:11] <Derek_S> ?
[04:12] <Derek_S> (just guessing had the trouble earlier with a usb key
[04:12] <Derek_S> )
[04:12] <JoeBob> I'm resizing when in live cd mode
[04:13] <JoeBob> Gpartd also gives an error
[04:13] <XFCEntral> what's the error?
[04:13] <Merther> What does indexing actually do?
[04:14] <JoeBob> fails to resize partition
[04:15] <XFCEntral> i agree with Derek_S, that partition may be mounted still. even if youre in LiveCD. do you know the device path, such as /dev/sda?
[04:15] <JoeBob> one sec
[04:16] <XFCEntral> mml
[04:16] <XFCEntral> *mmk
[04:19] <CppIsWeird> after upgrading to 8.10, my xubuntu boot gets stuck on "* Starting basic networking..." QUITE frequently, I have to reboot 5 or 6 times to get it to fully boot. This last time I've rebooted it about 30 times and it wont boot at all.
[04:21] <JoeBob> Ok, the exact error is "An error occurred while writing changes to the storage devices. The resize operation has aborted"
[04:24] <JoeBob> Sorry about that not sure what happened to my IRC client
[04:24] <JoeBob> anyways.... /dev/sda1 is the partition im trying to resize which currently has windows on it
[04:24] <XFCEntral> thats okay
[04:24] <XFCEntral> i found a discussion from someone who had the same error. have a look at the last post
[04:24] <XFCEntral> An error occurred while writing changes to the storage devices. The resize operation has aborted
[04:24] <XFCEntral> oops....
[04:24] <XFCEntral> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-868143.html
[04:24] <XFCEntral> that
[04:25] <JoeBob> Ahh so it could be disk errors
[04:25] <XFCEntral> worth a try
[04:26] <JoeBob> Wouldn't be surprised if it was as everyone shuts this machines down because windows takes it good ol time
[04:26] <XFCEntral> haha
[04:29] <JoeBob> sigh
[04:30] <JoeBob> chdsk cannot run because the colume is in use by another process
[04:30] <XFCEntral> from the Run dialog and did it ask you to run at reboot or w/e the exact wording was?
[04:31] <JoeBob> I did run dialog and the command say what I typed above
[04:32] <JoeBob> But you didn't hear me as you gone
[05:08] <Traveler83> i cant seen to get my xubuntu to find my WLAN
[05:19] <CppIsWeird> after upgrading to 8.10, my xubuntu boot gets stuck on "* Starting basic networking..." QUITE frequently, I have to reboot 5 or 6 times to get it to fully boot. This last time I've rebooted it about 30 times and it wont boot at all.
[05:21] <zoredache> what do you mean won't boot?  Does it still get stuck at starting networking, or does it not turn on?
[08:49] <moodog> morning :)
[09:26] <jarnos> moodog: morning
[11:32] <donna10> TheSheep , a great many thanks for helping me yesterday to recover my panels on xubuntu . i understood and i learned something  :)
[14:58] <reynante> hi all
[14:59] <vinnl> !hi | reynante
[14:59] <reynante> how do i install codecs?
[14:59] <vinnl> !codecs
[14:59] <reynante> i just got a spare 40gb hard disk and i am now finished installing xubuntu
[15:00] <reynante> doing the program update after the restricted driver
[15:00] <reynante> ah thanks
[15:00] <vinnl> reynante, you might want to install "Xubuntu Restricted Extras"
[15:01] <reynante> is there a difference with ubuntu and xubuntu codecs?
[15:01] <reynante> are*
[15:01] <Mood> reynante: "xubuntu restricted extras" has a lot of codecs. you can be more selective and install just the ones you want, i.e. mp3
[15:01] <vinnl> Well, "Xubuntu Restricted Extras" has codecs that fit Xubuntu's applications better, but you can install Ubuntu's selection, if you want
[15:02] <reynante> is there an equivalent to like klite codec pack that installs the basic codecs needed for multimedia to work
[15:02] <Mood> reynante: ah ok, if you want the base set, xubuntu restricted extras should do it
[15:02] <reynante> thank you
[15:02] <charlie-tca> reynante: That should be "xubuntu-restricted-extras"
[15:03] <reynante> it seems i cant download things while update manager is running
[15:03] <vinnl> charlie-tca, in Add/Remove... it's just "Xubuntu Restricted Extras" :)
[15:03] <vinnl> reynante, true
[15:03] <reynante> so i'll wait for it to finish, thanks for the help guys
[15:03] <Mood> charlie-tca: you mentioned before you never tried debian?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> ouch
[15:04] <charlie-tca> sorry
[15:04] <charlie-tca> correct, Mood
[15:04] <Mood> charlie-tca: any interest in trying? i've been noodling with it a few days and i have to say it's got a much smaller footprint that xubuntu
[15:04] <vinnl> ^.^
[15:04] <charlie-tca> I might have tried it, years ago, but didn't apparently like it enough to stay with it
[15:05] <charlie-tca> It is possilbe that is does have a smaller footprint. I have enough to do already without it
[15:06] <Mood> charlie-tca: heh, ok
[16:25] <alexi> hello
[16:25] <vinnl> !hi | alexi
[16:25] <alexi> can i ask help?
[16:26] <TheSheep> !ask
[16:26] <vinnl> <3 ubottu  :)
[16:27] <alexi> i just dont get youtube working.. i have intrepid ibex on my eee
[16:28] <Myrtti> alexi: you've tried to install flash-nonfree?
[16:31] <alexi> i have flashplugin-nonfree
[16:32] <vinnl> And how it is "not working"? Do you get an error message, does it freeze, stutter, something else?
[16:33] <Myrtti> did you reboot the browser?
[16:34] <alexi> emmh, sorry.. no its working, i install that  flashplugin-nonfree yesterday. now i boot and its working
[16:35] <vinnl> Great :)
[17:44] <Mark__T> I wonder if xubuntu will switch to the notify-osd thing too?
[17:46]  * vinnl wonders too... Brian Tarricone (Xfce developer) also wrote xfce4-notifyd for Xfce 4.6
[17:47] <vinnl> (Which also provides some nice effects, btw)
[17:47]  * charlie-tca hoping xubuntu don't
[17:48] <vinnl> charlie-tca, why not?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> I don't like it. They pile on top each other
[17:49] <charlie-tca> They go away before I get to read them
[17:49] <vinnl> Doesn't libnotify do that as well?
[17:49] <vinnl> (You also shouldn't *have* to read those messages, is the rationale behind it)
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I don't think so. I don't think it disappears as fast, and I can read the text
[17:51] <vinnl> Well, there's always xfce4-notifyd right? :) I was hoping on giving that a shot if I could just have got Jaunty installed :(
[17:52] <charlie-tca> try using notify-osd, and then go through a cd , by passing the songs you don't want
[17:52] <Mark__T> I just wonder if there is already a indicator-applet for xfce
[17:52] <vinnl> Does that pile up a lot of notifications?
[17:52] <knome> charlie-tca, try buying music you want to listen
[17:52] <vinnl> Haha :P
[17:52] <charlie-tca> yes it does
[17:52] <vinnl> Doesn't that also happen with libnotify?
[17:52] <vinnl> Oh wait, it doesn't if it's attachedf to an icon
[17:53] <charlie-tca> no, vinnl
[17:53] <vinnl> Mark__T, that might very well be a tray icon which would also work in Xubunt
[17:54] <charlie-tca> You can add notify-osd through Synaptic-Package-Manager. It will screw up the same way as in Ubuntu, then
[17:55] <vinnl> It's not in Intrepid...
[17:56] <Mark__T> vinnl: no indicator-plugin is a gnome panel plugin
[17:56] <Mark__T> indicator-applet
[17:56] <vinnl> Ah too bad
[17:56] <vinnl> In that case, I don't think Xubuntu will adopt notify-osd
[17:58] <Mark__T> notify-osd has a tray icon too I think
[17:59] <vinnl> Is it? *Two* icons to handle notifications?
[18:00] <Mark__T> well it's a bit confusing for me
A small applet to display information from various applications consistently in the panel. Currently this includes support for messaging applications, but further enhancements are planned.</quote>
[18:08] <Mark__T> lookup this: http://blogs.gnome.org/kenvandine/2009/03/06/pidgin-sucks-less-for-irc/
[18:09] <vinnl> So I suppose it's the same then
[18:11] <Mark__T> you can use notify-osd without that applet
[18:34] <danopia> hi
[18:37] <TheSheep> !hi | danopia
[19:05] <avuton> Does the jaunty upgrade for xubuntu contain the new xfce yet?
[19:06] <vinnl> avuton, yep
[19:06] <vinnl> avuton, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xfce4&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[19:07] <avuton> There's no xubuntu live cd for it though, so I'll just install stable then update, right?
[19:07] <vinnl> avuton, there is
[19:07] <avuton> Aah
[19:07] <avuton> I'll do the diging then, thanks
[19:07] <vinnl> A new one is generated every day at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:07] <vinnl> avuton, no need ;-)
[19:07] <avuton> Oh, cool :D
[19:07] <avuton> Thanks
[19:08] <vinnl> Also, Alpha images are released every so often, but I'm not sure whether the latest also contains Xfce 4.6 final
[19:08] <vinnl> yw :)
[20:02] <Superpig_> Hi, I've just upgraded to 8.10 and my keyboard and mouse don't seem to be working with X anymore
[20:03] <Superpig_> I get to the graphical login screen and it just doesn't accept any input
[20:03] <Superpig_> I can Alt-FN to other TTYs and use the keyboard just fine, which is why I think it's an X problem
[20:03] <Superpig_> can anyone advise me on how to proceed with debugging it?
[20:04] <lukinfore> hi
[20:05] <lukinfore> is there way to determine autostart order?
[20:05] <vinnl> Nope, you'd have to add it to a Bash script or something
[20:05] <lukinfore> have problem with conky
[20:05] <lukinfore> it seems it ruuninf before xfdesktop
[20:05] <lukinfore> *running
[20:06] <lukinfore> so drawed to wrong window
[20:18] <lukinfore> uhm
[20:18] <lukinfore> want edit button in autstarted apps
[20:18] <lukinfore> is launchpad a right place?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> for?
[20:19] <lukinfore> for feature request?
[20:19] <vinnl> lukinfore, this'd be more appropriate: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[20:19] <vinnl> But
[20:20] <vinnl> Have you checked this feature in Xubuntu 9.04/Xfce 4.6? It might be that it is already present now
[20:20] <lukinfore> well no account there
[20:20] <lukinfore> yep i'm on jaunty
[20:20] <charlie-tca> Report it in launchpad and subscribe me, then
[20:20] <vinnl> I can report it for you
[20:20] <lukinfore> k
[20:20] <vinnl> Or perhaps that'd be better indeed
[20:21] <vinnl> Then you can track its status
[20:21] <charlie-tca> There is not even a setting for autostarted apps, is there?
[20:21] <vinnl> Well, the configuration screen of which apps to start ^.^
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I see, Session and startup.
[20:22] <vinnl> That's not Autostarted Applications, is it?
[20:22] <bfamadio> i am having problems in mounting my 16gb pendrive on my eeePc, can someone help?
[20:22] <charlie-tca> It has a tab in it now
[20:23] <brandonban6> bfamadio, what is the problem?
[20:23] <vinnl> Ah
[20:23] <bfamadio> it says unable to mount volume
[20:23] <bfamadio> cannot mount volume
[20:23] <brandonban6> bfamadio, have you used this drive on a windows machine?
[20:24] <bfamadio> no, its new
[20:24] <bfamadio> and i dont have problem with the 512mb pendrive which i have already used in windows
[20:25] <pitwalker> already mounted?
[20:25] <pitwalker> what says mount?
[20:26] <bfamadio> when i try to open the drive an error message appears
[20:26] <pitwalker> please browse /dev/disk/by-id with mc
[20:26] <pitwalker> sudo apt-get install mc
[20:26] <brandonban6> k, in terminal run "sudo mount -t vfat <device path> <mount point> -o force" replaceing <device path> with /dev/pathofdevice and mounting point with folder you want to mount to.
[20:39] <lukinfore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/340143
[20:39] <lukinfore> something like this
[20:40] <vinnl> charlie-tca, shall I do it? :)
[20:40] <hanns94_> money for me please!!
[20:40] <hanns94_> http://change.pennergame.de/change_please/9873361/
[20:43] <peetah22> hello everyone - i just installed xubuntu and am having a hell of a time getting my m-audio audiophile 2496 to play sound (and continue playing sound). when i adjust the volume, the sound completely dies (it's dead now). can anyone give a hand?
[20:43] <bfamadio> pitwalker i tried your first suggestion : bash: /dev/disk/by-id: is a directory
[20:45] <pitwalker> bfamaido: ls -l   you find the pendrive's device name?
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 2009-03-09 19:00 ata-QUANTUM_FIREBALL_EX3.2A_673825040215 -> ../../sda
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-09 19:00 ata-QUANTUM_FIREBALL_EX3.2A_673825040215-part1 -> ../../sda1
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-09 19:00 ata-QUANTUM_FIREBALL_EX3.2A_673825040215-part2 -> ../../sda2
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  9 2009-03-09 19:00 scsi-SATA_QUANTUM_FIREBAL673825040215 -> ../../sda
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-09 19:00 scsi-SATA_QUANTUM_FIREBAL673825040215-part1 -> ../../sda1
[20:45] <pitwalker> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2009-03-09 19:00 scsi-SATA_QUANTUM_FIREBAL673825040215-part2 -> ../../sda2
[20:46] <vinnl> Wow Lionel is quick
[20:49] <vinnl> lukinfore, so, subscribe yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-session/+bug/340143 :)
[20:52] <lukinfore> subscribe? I've already afaik
[20:53] <lukinfore> uhm. duplicate is related to some earlier version
[20:53] <lukinfore> thought there was eddit in 4.4
[20:53] <vinnl> Well, it still applies in 4.6, right?
[20:55] <lukinfore> yeyeye
[20:55] <lukinfore> hope 4.8 is not affected
[20:55] <vinnl> Yeah let's cross our fingers :)
[20:55] <lukinfore> or even 4.61?
[20:56] <vinnl> Don't think so, 4.6.1 will contain mostly bugfixes
[20:57] <vinnl> Plus, this bug has been around for a while and hasn't been fixed, so it'll probably take a while
[20:57] <charlie-tca> sure, you can upstream it. I just didn't want it lost
[20:57] <vinnl> charlie-tca, had already been done... Twice :)
[20:57] <vinnl> I thought Benedikt Meurer was the bug contact, and since he's put his Xfce development on hold, I wouldn't expect too much
[21:02] <charlie-tca> woot! that's insurance, doing it twice :-)
[21:03] <charlie-tca> Someone else could pick it up.
[21:03] <vinnl> charlie-tca, actually, I did it for the third time :P
[21:04] <charlie-tca> \o/
[21:07] <vinnl> I'm off to bed now, bye :)
[21:27] <MaFrei> Hello
[21:28] <knome> !hi | MaFrei
[21:28] <MaFrei> i hope i can get help here, because i#ve got maybe a speciall problem and till no, nobody was able to help me.
[21:28] <MaFrei> Hello ubotto
[21:28] <knome> !ask | MaFrei
[21:29] <MaFrei> i#ve got the problem that i dont have access via LAN on my Acer Aspiure One
[21:29] <MaFrei> ok ;-)
[21:29] <knome> MaFrei, can you be a bit more specific?
[21:30] <knome> MaFrei, you can't access internet or lan at all with wired/wireless?
[21:30] <MaFrei> i hab configured the LAN via the networkmanager, also i had configured the LAN manually in the configuration file. The fun is that, if i configiure it manually, i can ping my network card but I#m not able to ping my LAN. Also funny is that the WLAN is functionning good.
[21:31] <knome> sounds weird. anyway, network-manager expects you to NOT have any configurations anywhere.
[21:32] <MaFrei> >Im also sure that it is no hardware defect, because when i rum my Acer via xubuntu Live-CD the LAN is working well. %The LAN is also working well with a newly installed Xubuntu, but afer a restard it is not functiuoning any more.
[21:34] <MaFrei> i have copied the configuration from the Live-Cd System to my installed xubuntu but this also not solve my problem.
[21:34] <knome> hmm.
[21:35] <dj_bushido> what did you do to "configure" it?
[21:35] <MaFrei> there is also no error (asl i see?) and the Network manager (in automatic) configuratuion tells me that im connected to the LAN
[21:36] <MaFrei> well, i treid in networkmanager the DHCP and also the fixed IP.  I also used DHCP with the network manager and aslo configured DHCP manually. In both cases he tried to connect but dont get an IP.
[21:39] <dj_bushido> so the problem is not your network then, right?
[21:39] <MaFrei> i can change files between the acer and my working machine via USB-Stick. Also the WLAn on the Acer is working fine, i dont get a WLAN till my neighbour dont switch hes on (well somethimes...)
[21:39] <MaFrei> no, my network LAN is fine.
[21:39] <dj_bushido> very interesting...
[21:40] <dj_bushido> do you know if the acer has a specific wired driver it needs?
[21:40] <MaFrei> yes that is it. I#m totally frustaed. I found that there was a bug in ubuntu 7.10 but it was called to be fixed.
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi
[21:41] <dj_bushido> also, post on the ubuntu forum as well, someone else might know...
[21:41] <brandonban6> hi slow-motion
[21:41] <MaFrei> well, as the Acer LAN is working fine with the xubuntu Live-CD i doindt looked at this so far.
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi brandonban6
[21:42] <MaFrei> well, i posted on the Geramn ubuntu forum alreadfy, but nobody was able to help me.
[21:42] <dj_bushido> try posting english, that might help. your english seems fine.
[21:42] <knome> MaFrei, #ubuntu-de ?
[21:42] <MaFrei> yes
[21:42] <dj_bushido> sorry, I meant www.ubuntuforums.org
[21:43] <dj_bushido> you'd have to register, but there's a greater chance someone can help you
[21:43] <dj_bushido> have you tried the hardware driver manager?
[21:44] <dj_bushido> my comp had a b43 card, so when I connected it to wired and did that it gave me a driver.
[21:44] <MaFrei> bushido: no, the hardware dribver manager is new to me. What should i try there
[21:45] <dj_bushido> you are using xubuntu, yes?
[21:45] <dj_bushido> just making sure...
[21:45] <MaFrei> bushido: yes
[21:45] <dj_bushido> Applications->System->Hardware Drivers
[21:46] <dj_bushido> you might have to be connected to internet for it to be registered correctly, but it should detect a driver if one exists.
[21:46] <dj_bushido> any luck yet? keep us updated
[21:47] <MaFrei> i#m connected via WLAN right now (my neighbour is online ;-), i see only the atheros wlan-driver in hardware manager
[21:47] <dj_bushido> hmmm...
[21:47] <dj_bushido> what is your wired card that I can look up and see if there is a driver?
[21:48] <dj_bushido> or laptop model to look up card
[21:48] <MaFrei> the WLAN card is the Ateros 802.11
[21:48] <MaFrei> it is a ACER aSPIRE oNE WITH A ssd-dISK
[21:49] <MaFrei> i thin it is named Acer Aspire 110
[21:50] <MaFrei> sethe LAN is a Realtek RTL8101E/RTL8102
[21:50] <MaFrei> as i see in "sudo lspci"
[21:50] <dj_bushido> realtek is sound card
[21:50] <dj_bushido> pretty sure
[21:51] <dj_bushido> can you send the result to me?
[21:51] <dj_bushido> do command "sudo lspci > lspci.txt"
[21:51] <MaFrei> no, RTL8101E is PCI Express fast Ethernet card
[21:51] <knome> !pastebin
[21:51] <MaFrei> ok, but this takes some minute
[21:51] <dj_bushido> thanks knome
[21:54] <brandonban6> !creator
[21:54] <brandonban6> lol
[21:54] <dj_bushido> try this site http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/239888/realtek-rtl8100e-rtl8101e-rtl8102e-gr-driver-1.003.00-linux-kernel-2.6.x(support-x86-and-x64)-free-download.html
[21:55] <dj_bushido> make sure to copy the entire line
[21:55] <brandonban6> who coded the bot script?...tis impressive
[21:55] <knome> brandonban6, what are you looking for?
[21:55] <MaFrei> ok, i have it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/128973/
[21:55] <knome> brandonban6, i'm not sure if it was jussi01
[21:56] <brandonban6> knome, just curious if ubottu would give information about it's designer...
[21:56] <knome> !bot
[21:56] <brandonban6> ah, I see..
[21:56] <dj_bushido> ok, you were right, that is the card
[21:57] <MaFrei> bushido: the link (the whole line) is not working
[21:57] <MaFrei> bushido: but no problem, i will find it myself
[21:58] <MaFrei> bushido: do you think this one is different from the one I#m already using?
[21:58] <dj_bushido> search google for "RTL8101E linux driver"
[21:58] <knome> MaFrei, http://tinyurl.com/rtl8100-1e
[21:59] <dj_bushido> that links to the site i posted
[21:59] <knome> dj_bushido, correct. :)
[21:59] <dj_bushido> how to do colors?
[22:00] <knome> colors?
[22:00] <dj_bushido> dj_bushido, correct
[22:00] <dj_bushido> showed up red
[22:00] <dj_bushido> or is that xchat coloring it for me?
[22:00] <brandonban6> hehe :)
[22:00] <knome> dj_bushido, it is. it's your highlight.
[22:01]  * dj_bushido feels like an irc n00b once again...
[22:01] <brandonban6> dj_bushido, I was there just last week :) .........novice to pro in one week, call today!!
[22:01] <dj_bushido> oh nice! count me in!
[22:01] <dj_bushido> anyway, any luck on the driver?
[22:02] <MaFrei> ok, i got an tar.bz2
[22:02] <dj_bushido> *a tar.bz2
[22:02] <dj_bushido> sorry...
[22:03] <MaFrei> ok, how is the prozedure for installaing a driver in xubuntu?
[22:05] <dj_bushido> um, hold on
[22:06] <dj_bushido> should be able to extract to root directory, i believe.
[22:06] <dj_bushido> if so, extract to a temporary directory and then sudo mv to root
[22:08] <MaFrei> bushido: ok, i will do likely, but i think i've made a little mistake by now. Because i have at the moment the LAn from my neighbour (till he goes to sleep what is very early) i have started the update of the Acer and now he is installing 202 new packages. Can i interupt that?
[22:08] <dj_bushido> just kidding.
[22:08] <dj_bushido> are you using synaptic?
[22:09] <dj_bushido> if so, just complete the download, and you don't need to worry about internet.
[22:09] <dj_bushido> back to the driver though.
[22:09] <dj_bushido> i was wrong about install.
[22:09] <MaFrei> äh.. I#m using the GUI-Tool
[22:09] <dj_bushido> extract to temporary directory, then do"./configure;make;sudo make install"
[22:10] <MaFrei> ok, and i can do this will the installation of the updates is running?
[22:10] <dj_bushido> scratch the ./configure, just make and make install
[22:10] <dj_bushido> and yes
[22:10] <MaFrei> ok, i will try
[22:10] <dj_bushido> shouldn't affect other packages UNLESS you are installing the driver via synaptic
[22:10] <dj_bushido> g2g for like 10 mins, so brb
[22:11] <MaFrei> well, ok, it is very slow, at the moment he is instlling some perl packages
[22:16] <MaFrei> ok, i have extract the package and there is a file called "makefile"
[22:16] <MaFrei> i just let the commands run in the directory with this file??
[22:18] <MaFrei> oh. i got errors while running "sudo make"
[22:18] <dj_bushido> should be just "make"
[22:18] <dj_bushido> then sudo make install
[22:19] <MaFrei> if i rum "make" i got a "permission denied"
[22:21] <MaFrei> if i rum "sudo make" i got the following error: *** lib/modules/2.6.27-11generic/build: No such file or directory. Schluss
[22:22] <reynante> anybody awake?
[22:22] <dj_bushido> try installing the package "linux-source" or something to that effect.
[22:22] <MaFrei> and the: "make[1]: *** [modules] Fehler 2
[22:22] <MaFrei> Fehler 2 meqans Error 2
[22:22] <reynante> what does the circle icon on the upper left corner do?
[22:22] <reynante> on any open window
[22:23] <MaFrei> sorry, what circle?
[22:23] <reynante> on the title bar
[22:23] <reynante> there is the icon for the window, like firefox, xchat etc and theres a circle button besides it
[22:23] <reynante> what does it do?
[22:24] <MaFrei> well, i dont know what you mean, but i see that in thze moment it is installing a new kernel image. Could this interact with my "make"?
[22:24] <MaFrei> ah, now i know what you mean
[22:25] <MaFrei> oh , my terminal was closed
[22:25] <MaFrei> well, i think i should wait some minutes??
[22:26] <dj_bushido> the little circle moves the window onto all workspaces.
[22:26] <dj_bushido> um, might be a good idea to wait until image is done.
[22:27] <MaFrei> ok, the image is installed, now it is running some task with java
[22:27] <MaFrei> i try again
[22:27] <reynante> thanks dj_bushido
[22:28] <dj_bushido> okay
[22:28] <dj_bushido> the command is only make, not sudo make
[22:28] <reynante> didnt notice it because i am used to using only one workspace, i noticed at the indicator at the lower right corner that it appeared in the 2nd workspace
[22:29] <dj_bushido> you're welcome!
[22:30] <AmirB> Hey, I'm trying to install Xubuntu, but when I boot into the cd, hitting "ENTER" on the option to install (or any of the options for that matter) doesn't do anything
[22:31] <MaFrei> bushido: weill, it is not functioning. Witjh "make" i got a "permission denied".. And with "sudo mnake" i got a error of a non existing directory /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/build
[22:31] <knome> AmirB, how much ram?
[22:31] <AmirB> 512
[22:32] <knome> have you checked the cd for defects?
[22:32] <AmirB> it doesn't let me press enter for that either
[22:32] <slow-motion> n8
[22:33] <dj_bushido> um... see if there is a linux-dev package, or something like that
[22:33] <knome> AmirB, did you check the md5 sum?
[22:33] <MaFrei> bushido: "see" is nice, i only know how to install packsges, but how to check if some exist?
[22:34] <AmirB> hmm...no. I downloaded it from the official Xubuntu site though
[22:34] <dj_bushido> synaptic should let you do a search, on the top of window.
[22:34] <MaFrei> ah, i can use the GUI-Tools
[22:34] <MaFrei> yes
[22:35] <MaFrei> uh, no, synapsis is still running, how is the cmd-command to search?
[22:36] <MaFrei> sorry, the the shell command
[22:36] <dj_bushido> uh, no clue.
[22:36] <dj_bushido> I use synaptic.
[22:36] <MaFrei> ok, i will find it
[22:37] <knome> AmirB, does your system respond to any keyboard activity?
[22:37] <AmirB> yes
[22:37] <AmirB> everything else. up down, the F* buttons
[22:42] <AmirB> any ideas?
[22:43] <MaFrei> ok, the command is dphg -l and gives me a long listing
[22:43] <MaFrei> i found a "linux-libc-dev"
[22:43] <MaFrei> is this the right one?
[22:44] <reynante> where can i get webradio links?
[22:44] <reynante> im trying out listen music player
[22:45] <dj_bushido> might work
[22:46] <knome> AmirB, what if you select the "boot options" (or sth like that) F* menu and press enter then? are both the enter keys unresponsive?
[22:46] <knome> AmirB, have you tried to change the keyboard layout?
[22:46] <AmirB> hmm. actually, the enter key works when in the menu, just not to select an option...
[22:46] <MaFrei> bushido: ah, i got the problem, sorry, Im an idiot. The folder is not read/write enabled because it was extracted of an archive
[22:46] <dj_bushido> sorry, have to leave. Good luck all!
[22:46] <AmirB> so strange...
[22:51] <AmirB_> knome, is there a way to install it without selecting the option? maybe through the command line or something?
[22:52] <MaFrei> ok, could someone help me further? I want to install a new driver for my realtec ethernet card. I have downloaded the drive, extracted the package, make the folder read/write enabled to all and tried "make" but it gave me an error of a non existing directory /lib/modules/2.6.27-11-generic/build
[22:53] <knome> AmirB_, did you try safe graphics mode?
[22:53] <MaFrei> bushido told me that i need a somehow called package named "linux-dev" Can somebody told me the complete name so i can install it?
[22:54] <AmirB_> knome, no....how do i access thatx?
[22:54] <knome> AmirB_, should be able to get there by selecting it from the menu before the install menu
[22:54] <knome> AmirB_, if i recall correctly.
[22:55] <AmirB_> knome, the only thing before the install menu is a languag selextion
[22:55] <MaFrei> ok, i got another error that tell me that another installation is running. I think i wait till the update has finished and come the back again. Thank you all for your help. Nice to meet you
[22:56] <knome> MaFrei, good luck
[23:01] <AmirB_> knome, how do I get to the safe graphics mode?
[23:06] <knome> AmirB_, it might be that there is no such mode. i'm just referring to my memory.
[23:13] <AmirB_> oh
[23:13] <AmirB_> knome, I messed around a bit and now when I try to press enter it gives me a message with a path in it
[23:14] <AmirB_> for example /vulinuz/something
[23:14] <AmirB_> or wtvr
[23:15] <knome> AmirB_, mm.. yeah?
[23:15] <AmirB_> knome, dunno...just an update in the situation
[23:17] <knome> ok:)
[23:17] <knome> AmirB_, you might want to try alternative
[23:19] <AmirB_> like what?
[23:20] <knome> !alternative
[23:20] <knome> you can install the full desktop from that cd also - and also from minimal.