[00:10] <user|51674> minimum requirements?
[00:35] <Roey> hi
[00:35] <Roey> is Kubuntu getting that Fx patch tonight?
[02:16] <valorie> Roey: Fx patch?
[02:21] <tomreyn> unfortunately, with exaggerated use of abbreviations, no one can tell for sure, but there is a chance that Roey is referring to bug 1827727
[02:22] <valorie> ha, was just discussing that in another channel
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:12] <lotuspsychje> anyone with a kubuntu at hand to check something for a wishlist bug?
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> its a short task
[03:21] <Greenfrog> is there anyone that has successfully connecte their ipod to kubuntu? i have ipod classic, it recognizes but cant transfer files that ipod sees
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> Greenfrog: try clementine
[03:22] <Greenfrog> ok
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> !ipod | Greenfrog
[03:23] <Greenfrog> so far i've tried several and none work
[03:23] <Greenfrog> ok i'll try thanks
[03:23] <Greenfrog> thanks for the help
[03:28] <Greenfrog> in clementine is there a sync option or no? i dont see one. or is it drag and drop?
[03:30] <lotuspsychje> Greenfrog: from the clementine website/link: https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/wiki/Portable-Devices
[03:32] <Greenfrog> ok thanks again
[03:32] <Greenfrog> i see that now
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:35] <TomyMobile> when installing kubuntu 18.04, i dont seem to have the option to have a separate /home partition. manual setup doesnt allow me to control lvm. i have an installiert on my disk with lvm and no separate partitions. how do you suggest i get to my preferred setup with a separate /home partition?
[09:35] <TomyMobile> s/installiert/installation/
[09:36] <TomyMobile> german autocorrect :/
[09:41] <Jussi> TomyMobile: encrypted home?
[09:42] <TomyMobile> no
[09:43] <Jussi> but you have LVM for the rest of the disk?
[09:44] <Jussi> Manual setup should let you create 2 partitions, and mount 1 as / and 1 as /home
[10:03] <TomyMobile> partitions, yes, but not LVs
[10:14] <TomyMobile> Jussi: i can see but not modify the LVs. installer limitation afaict
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[16:59] <user|72192> What appstore is used
[17:39] <noobelux> evening guys, any idea how can i make dolphin to see my network samba shares?
[18:01] <Aaron_T> Hi! Can anybody help me with clover efi bootloader ? It works fine but I can see nothing.. :D
[19:48] <Roey> tomreyn: aye
[19:48] <Roey> thanks


[08:01] <dholbach> good morning
[19:37] <nDuff> How is JAVA_HOME set in Ubuntu?
[19:38] <nDuff> ...hrm; somewhere, libvirt-java's configure script is getting "/usr/lib/jvm/java" as the path to use for JAVA_HOME, regardless of what's set in the environment.
[19:39] <nDuff> ...however, no symlink of that name actually exists.
[19:39] <nDuff> (manually creating one WORKSFORME, but it seems unfortunate that that's necessary).


[00:05] <backthen> I formatted a drive to have three partitions. One realdy has for windows. Other two are ntfs. Ubuntu's installer doesn't recognize any partition and freezes. What to do here?
[00:10] <Bashing-om> backthen: What is your goal here, as ntfs is a Windows file system.
[00:15] <backthen> Bashing-om: Install Ubuntu on one of the other two partitions. I assumed I could format the partitions during Ubuntu's install process
[00:15] <midow> you can't install on ntfs
[00:16] <midow> if you want to format one of those partitions as something else such as ext4 and you suspect the installer is freezing because of ntfs you could try to format those partitions from windows as something else such as fat or just remove the partitions altogether
[00:19] <backthen> midow: previously one parittion was unallocated so had no file system. Ubuntu install still didn't recognize anything. And it freezes when I use the '+'/'-' icons to add/remove partitions
[00:22] <leftyfb> backthen: is it possible your machine has "RAID" enabled? (it's actually Windows version of software RAID which won't be supported by Ubuntu)
[00:22] <leftyfb> backthen: I would look in your BIOS to see if you can find anything about RAID
[00:23] <backthen> leftyfb: ok. It's a laptop btw
[00:23] <leftyfb> backthen: yep, they still do it. It's typically to use some Intel pcie chipset to improve boot speed
[00:25] <ctrlbreak> Can some kind soul who understands iSCSI in Ubuntu set me straight on some things?
[00:30] <backthen> leftyfb: no raid. The C drive has 'bitlocker encryption' however. Don't know if that's standard
[00:30] <ctrlbreak> For instance, if I use targetcli-fb to admin and manage my iSCSI setup, I shouldn't need to have open-iscsi even installed should I?  It's just for client/initiator, correct?
[00:39] <tatertots> ctrlbreak: iscsi is already established, you say vmware currently is using it
[00:39] <tatertots> ctrlbreak: and if it's already established, what is the point of your endeavor?
[00:40] <tatertots> ctrlbreak: with that having been said, is it establish or NOT?
[00:57] <JackSK5> Hi, I want to install picom (the compositor, for i3) on my unbuntu 20.04. I couldn't figure it out. The source code doesn't compile and I didn't find the picom package with apt search
[01:02] <sirlurksalot> SO... I have a client for my fledgling consulting business who was on Windows 7, which is now EOL, and put her on Ubuntu 20.04.  She can print to her Lexmark CS410-dn printer from Ubuntu, but complains that it is slower than when she used Windows.  Testing this, I found that when firing off a job from Windows, it will start the printer immediately and begin to kick out the page(s).  On Ubuntu it takes several seconds before the printer fires up.
[01:02] <sirlurksalot> Any idea why this is?  So far as I can tell, the printer is a Postscript printer and CUPS on Linux natively supports Postscript.  I have tried using a "CS410-dn" PPD file as opposed to a "CS410 Series" PPD file that Ubuntu/CUPS automatically sets up, with negligible difference in print speed.  Any thoughts?
[01:02] <sirlurksalot> I will be visiting her at her home tomorrow, and hope to have some idea(s) to try as I am out of my own.  Thanks in advance! :-)
[01:04] <oerheks> sounds not like a bug, at all.
[01:16] <sirlurksalot> In my experience, "slow" anything can be difficult to troubleshoot.  It works, but it takes upwards of 40-90 seconds to start the printer engine.  The printer is connected via USB to the same computer in either case (dual boot).
[01:16]  * sirlurksalot is lurking but will be back to check for answers
[01:17] <oerheks> must be a large job to print, 40-90 seconds.. sounds different than several seconds.
[01:18] <geosmile> pavlos, hi
[01:18] <geosmile> I have a particular directory, in which when I cd xx; ls -la -> ls returns the list, then waits 1 sec+ to terminate
[01:18] <geosmile> any ideas what could be wrong?
[01:18] <geosmile> and ls - or ls -a or ls -la -- all have the same behavior in this directory
[01:20] <sirlurksalot> @oerheks, it's the same job in either case; just a printer-friendly rendering of an email from GMail in Firefox.
[01:20] <sirlurksalot> The exact same email prints almost immediately when using Windows 7
[01:24] <pavlos> geosmile: is that dir remotely mounted, like an nfs link?
[01:26] <pavlos> geosmile: for example, accessing /home/geosmile should have no delay at all but accessing some dir -> nfs:/data might have a delay
[02:07] <geosmile> pavlos, it is a local directory
[02:10] <pavlos> geosmile: does that local dir have sym.links inside (that could point to another fs)?
[02:13] <JackSK5> Guys, in Ubuntu when the official repositories doesn't have a package what you usually do? I'm newbie and have seen something like AUR in Archlinux, I want to know if there is a similar thing in Ubuntu? Is luanchpad the way to go?
[02:28] <geosmile> pavlos, all files here are local - nvme drive
[02:38] <jonnj> @JackSK5 I don't know if there is a good rule of thumb. It depends quite a bit on the people that are making the software. My preference is to install from the Ubuntu repo, but if the repos are not kept up to date and there is another repo I tend to do it that way.
[02:41] <jonnj> If you use a repo you will get updates. Sometimes all you get is a .deb. At least you have a package designed for debian/ubuntu. Some software is in active development and you might need to essentially do a git install. I don't think there is a single consistent installation method.
[02:43] <jonnj> quite often I install one way and discover that there are problems and end up uninstalling and installing some other way
[02:49] <pavlos> geosmile: sudo apt install nvme-cli, then run "nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0" paste output with pastebin
[02:55] <geosmile> pavlos, thanks
[02:58] <geosmile> pavlos, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wP4K3nNX73/
[02:59] <pavlos> geosmile: all look good so I have no idea why "ls -al" has 1sec delay at the end
[03:01] <pavlos> geosmile: nvme error-log /dev/nvme0 and pastebin, I do not like line 16: 98 errors
[03:01] <geosmile> pavlos, all entries in error-log are zero
[03:03] <pavlos> geosmile: ok
[03:06] <other_rick> Hello, exist some way for revert a 'rm -r folder' ?
[03:07] <tatertots> other_rick: restore from back up
[03:20] <sirlurksalot> JackSK5, the AUR is basically scripts to download and build the software.  With Ubuntu, if it's not in the official Ubuntu repositories (package archives), then the first thing is, usually, to see if there is a PPA (personal package archive) being maintained by someone for the software.  If you add the PPA to your system, you can install software from there using the same infrastructure as the normal Ubuntu software installs (apt & co.).  You will
[03:20] <sirlurksalot> also get updates when upgrading via the normal package management system.  The second place I would look is to see if there is a Snap package available.  Failing that, you can look into Flatpack support and see if it's available as a flatpack.  If not available as a snap or flatpack, then you can see if the authors (or someone) makes a .deb (Debian package archive; Ubuntu is derived from Debian) that you can download and install with a tool such as
[03:20] <sirlurksalot> GDebi (graphical DEB installer).  Lastly, you can almost always download the source code, compile it, and install it according to the author's build instructions.  AUR packages pretty much do this in a semi-automated way.  You will have to be mindful of dependencies (needs this version of that library, etc.) if you build it yourself.  The DEB packages (which are what the Ubuntu and PPA repos deliver) have dependency information in them so that the
[03:21] <sirlurksalot> APT packaging system can resolve and install the needed supporting software.  The AUR package info files also list dependencies.  If you build it yourself, it's up to you to be sure you have the dependencies met.  Snap and Flatpack packages are different; they include their dependencies (more or less) and are "containerized".  At least Snaps are.  I'm not as familiar with Flatpacks.  There are also Appimage files, but I have limited experience with
[03:21] <sirlurksalot> that system.
[03:53] <JackSK5> jonnj: Thanks dude
[03:53] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: That's was totally enlightening! Thanks a lot for elaborated explanation. Now things are clearer for me. :)
[03:54] <sirlurksalot> JackSK5, oh you're so welcome. glad to be of some help
[04:01] <JackSK5> In Archlinux, both AUR and official went through the official install manager (pacman, or variant). Even the system python packages are install by one system (pacman). So kind of centeral management if i put it correctly. Here in ubunut I'm using apt install (for official and ppa). Snap and flatpack are containerized. But how to deal with .deb packages and buids in a standard or sustainable way
[04:01] <JackSK5> such a way it doesn't leed to a hell? I mean what is the good practice to manage diverse sources of packages?
[04:07] <sirlurksalot> JackSK5, No... in Arch, pacman installs packages from the repository.  OTHER programs like yaourt and the like can _also_ automagically build packages from the AUR scripts, then submit the packages (which are built on your system) to pacman for installation.  Pacman doesn't deal with the AUR directly...  Either you manually compile the AUR packages with the Arch Build System or you use a tool like yaourt, etc....  the result is a local package file
[04:08] <sirlurksalot> that pacman can install.
[04:09] <sirlurksalot> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_User_Guidelines  explains it in more detail
[04:10] <sirlurksalot> In Ubuntu, you have the official repositories, which the APT system uses.  You can also add in other repositories that APT can use, like the Canonical Partners repo, or PPA's (also repos).  The repos in a Debian-like system contain pre-compiled binary versions of the software.  The AUR does not.  It only contains package definitions that make it a little easier to find, download, and compile the software from source code.
[04:13] <sirlurksalot> Snaps are a different thing (and also include binary software, not source code).  Flatpacks are somewhat similar.  Both Snap and Flatpack systems are meant to be cross-distro, as they include their dependencies.  Software packaged for a particular distribution or distro family is comiled against the versions of libraries and stuff that the distributions package maintainers include with the system.  For example, ubuntu comes with such-and-so version
[04:13] <sirlurksalot> of Python, this-or-that version of libinput, yadda yadda.  The software packaged FOR the distro is made to work against those versions.  It's really a ton of work that the distro package maintainers do, to be honest.
[04:14] <sirlurksalot> So if you use a Snap package, it may have included within it some different version of a supporting library than what the distro (such as Ubuntu) comes with by default.
[04:14] <sirlurksalot> The Ubuntu repos, and the PPA archives (also just repos), deliver DEB files for APT to install.
[04:16] <sirlurksalot> "The Arch Way" does not really encourage you to use "helper" tools to get your AUR packages.  (packages in the sense of the AUR are really a misnomer ... they are simple text files telling where to get the stuff to build the files and CREATE a package, locally, than you then install with pacman).  Arch promotes a do-it-yourself and learn-by-doing mentality and strongly recommends you learn how to use the AUR manually before blazing ahead with
[04:16] <sirlurksalot> "helper" tools, so that you understand exactly what is going on.
[04:18] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: I meant either from official repo or AUR, this is the pacman system that put the binary in the OS filesystem. Even for python I seen guideline in their website that install system packages only from ropo/AUR and for other just use virtual reality. HOwever, in ubuntu I'm clear about APT (repo or PPA) and also snap and flatpack. But I'm not sure about how to manage .deb installs and
[04:18] <JackSK5> build from source installed (make install right?) in a way that do not mess the system.
[04:18] <JackSK5> *virtual environment
[04:18] <sirlurksalot> Because there is really nothing more than some "where to get it" info in the AUR packagebuild files, you will find that someone usually creates a packagebuild file for most software.  That's why there's so much stuff there.  But all the heavy lifting is really done locally, on your machine.  Pacman is really a very simple package installer system compared to the likes of APT (Debian and deriviatives) or DNF in the Redhat/Fedora world
[04:19] <sirlurksalot> the APT system basically downloads DEB files from the "repos" or "archives" and installs them.  DEB files are the same thing, delivered outside of a "repo" system.
[04:20] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: I get it the AUR is basically a warpper around the build system which produce a .xyz package adn that later can be used by pacman.
[04:20] <sirlurksalot> yep
[04:20] <JackSK5> so if I install a .deb file (eg. with dpkg -i...) then it's safe. Right?
[04:20] <sirlurksalot> And DEB files are basically tar (think zip) files with the binary software and a manifest
[04:21] <sirlurksalot> yeah, more or less.  It's doing the same thing that APT does behind the scenes.  Thing is that a manually installed DEB is not going to see automatic updates, as the repos get new versions from time to time and APT will download the new (DEB) and install it.  you'll have to download and manually install any software updates for DEB files you install with dpkg -i
[04:22] <JackSK5> I imagine this scenario that snap/flatpacks are separate beast. APT also another manager and now GDebi or manual build is another manager. There is no clash between APT and snap. But it might be some mess when I try to use GDebi for debian .deb files...that was my point on what is the best practice
[04:22] <sirlurksalot> (manually get the new DEB with the updates)
[04:22] <JackSK5> aha
[04:23] <JackSK5> I get it. So when I'm using .deb or build, the automatic update is on my own. No worry about messing this (clashes or conflicts with APT)
[04:23] <JackSK5> I should manually keep track of the packages, I mean and that's become the user's responsibility.
[04:23] <sirlurksalot> Manually installing a DEB file is a throwback to how it was before package managers like APT came along.  On RedHat systems they have a very similar package format called .RPM (redhat package manager) files.  You may have heard of "dependency hell" as you'd have to track down all the dependencies for a .rpm and get them and install them and then try (and try again).  APT came along for Debian and handles all that for you.  And then on RedHat, Yum
[04:23] <sirlurksalot> (and now DNF) do that same thing.
[04:24] <JackSK5> I just get worry that using GDebi mess my ubuntu bcz it was another's distro package...
[04:24] <sirlurksalot> I don't know off hand, but there should be a way of using the family of tools for the APT system to list the manually installed DEBs.  pacman has a similar feature that you can list all the "foreign" packages that were manually installed (the AUR packages, mainly).
[04:25] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: exactly, I had an experience with fedora and went through that dependency hell (I switched back to windows as result for years)
[04:25] <sirlurksalot> There is also a tool called alien that can convert an RPM file to a DEB
[04:25] <JackSK5> Great
[04:25] <sirlurksalot> Well the modern DNF is very good, I understand.  I'm not a Fedora user; mostly Ubuntu and Arch (acutally Manjaro these days)
[04:26] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: Arch was a bit intimidating for me but I might test it later
[04:27] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: Thanks a lot for the explanations!
[04:30] <sirlurksalot> I went through it for the learning experience.  Then once I satisfied myself with that, I stopped being a masochist and just used AntergOS (until they disbanded).  Antergos was, mostly, an Arch installer that included a couple extra package repositories for stuff they provided, like theming and the graphical front end to the package management system.  not a lot else; it basically gave you a close-to-native Arch system and was not difficult to
[04:30] <sirlurksalot> "convert" into plain Arch as it used the Arch package repositories for most of the software.
[04:32] <sirlurksalot> Later I started using Manjaro, which is like Arch on a delay.  The new software releases are very quickly delivered by Arch proper -- thus the "bleeding edge", as you may get to experience some new bugs or regressions along the way.  Manjaro holds back the packages for a short while so they can be "shaken down" by others first, then when they are a tad more stable, they release them.  So it's not quite as bleeding-edge, but it's close.  Manjaro uses
[04:32] <sirlurksalot> their own repositories, though, as that is how they control when the software is released to you.  If they used the Arch repos, you'd get the new stuff slightly sooner and slightly "raw"-er
[04:32] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: any alternative then? with same purpose? I found people talking about ArcoLinux which probably have the same spriti
[04:34] <JackSK5> I'm into deep learning stuff and had a co-worker that things managing stuff (CUDNN, python, nvidia, etc) on arch is way easier...I'm still on ubuntu
[04:34] <JackSK5> *thinks
[04:35] <sirlurksalot> If you want an Arch system without the Arch install process, look at https://endeavouros.com/ (EndeavourOS).  It is pretty much what Antergos was... a nice installer for Arch with a very few custom packages; it uses the Arch repos and AUR for 99% of the system.  It's Arch, but without the pain (or education, to be frank).
[04:37] <sirlurksalot> Installing Arch the classic way is educational.  Beyond that, there is Gentoo (where everything is built from source), or you can build Linux From Scratch (which is basically an instructional guide to build your own linux, from scratch, mainly so you can be educated about how a Linux system is put together and the sorts of choices that distributuion already make for you
[04:38] <sirlurksalot> Even if you don't ever plan to go through the Linux From Scratch process, you may want to download the "book" and read through it to learn (a lot!) about how Linux systems are put together.
[04:40] <sirlurksalot> Deep Learning you mean Machine Learning?  Or do you mean you like to deep-dive and learn stuff with your fleshy brain
[04:40] <sirlurksalot> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
[04:43] <sirlurksalot> So with regard to your co-worker's opinion...  I guess you can say that Distribution Maintainers generally make a lot of choices for you and do a LOT of work making a cohesive system.  Arch is much more do-it-yourself.  It gives you a minmial system (lean and mean), and leaves you in charge of fleshing out the system as you see fit.
[04:43] <sirlurksalot> But you get power with that level of control
[04:44] <sirlurksalot> In the Arch world there is not so much hand-holding by the distro itself; but rather the community is known for putting lots of good and detailed information on the Arch Wiki so you can figure it all out.  The Gentoo Wiki is also a good resource.
[04:46] <retran> for people that just wanna use their computer...
[04:46] <retran> may I suggest Ubuntu
[04:46] <retran> oh cool look where we are
[04:47] <sirlurksalot> Yeah some of us are tinkerers.  I rarely play games ON my computer; I play WITH my computer
[04:48] <sirlurksalot> LOL this Ubuntu channel is getting a lot of non-Ubuntu chatter, no?  Well JackSK5 wanted to understand the differences, as so many do.  Ubuntu is a good, solid system to just get your work done on.  No doubt.
[04:48] <sirlurksalot> And for people I will be supporting, I generally go with an Ubuntu derivative because it is so ubiquitous
[04:49] <sirlurksalot> You can generally always find help on how to make something happen on an Ubuntu system.
[04:50] <JackSK5> sirlurksalot: Thanks a lot.
[04:50] <JackSK5> Yes. Indeed I'm a tinkerer and have learn a lot through it.
[04:51] <sirlurksalot> JackSK5, To be honest, you're probably going to be better off using Ubuntu or a derivative until you are more comfortable on Linux and have a bit deeper understanding.  You can "play" with alternatives in a virtual machine or something until you get comfortable with those.
[04:52] <sirlurksalot> yeah, JackSK5, no problem
[04:52] <JackSK5> On Arch, I like the philosophy but it's a trade-off between how much time you want to put learning your tools (OS). Right now I'm OK with ubuntu but in future I might get fed up with those choices that others made for my system and make things harder. My co-worker point was about this. It says since Arch is too lean you're closer to what developer experinces...
[04:52] <sirlurksalot> Now if someone can enlighten me on slow CUPS printing like I asked an age ago in here :-P
[04:53] <sirlurksalot> JackSK5, seriously just try the others in a virtual machine environment.  It's super easy.  Then you can break them all day long and just revert them 'till you get the feel for what you really want to do
[04:54] <sirlurksalot> Ubuntu is a solid choice, though.  I've been using Ubuntu since it came out in 2004.  Before that it was Mandrake and a lot of hair-pulling (dependency hell, for sure).
[04:55] <sirlurksalot> Those days are behind us, though
[04:55] <sirlurksalot> For your learning, seriously consider going through Linux From Scratch and Beyond Linux From Scratch
[04:56] <dr`venom> I'm on hp spectre 360x, and I can't get my sound to work. It seems some people have had the same issue, but I don't see any real solution.
[04:58] <sirlurksalot> dr`venom, use the lspci command on the terminal (lists the PCI bus devices) to see what sound hardware you have
[04:58] <sirlurksalot> Linux uses the ALSA system for the low-level drivers, and typically PulseAudio runs on top of that as a sound-server architecture for routing sound between applications and devices
[04:59] <sirlurksalot> You will often have more than one audio interface; one on the motherboard and another in your "graphics card" hardware to send sound over HDMI
[05:00] <dr`venom> 00:1f.3 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation Comet Lake PCH cAVS
[05:00] <dr`venom> Is it that?
[05:01] <dr`venom> On the settings sound GUI, under output device I have Speaker-sof-hda-dsp
[05:01] <dr`venom> Even when I put on something like youtube, I see sound on the meter and I even have sound through the headphones.
[05:04] <sirlurksalot> seems like that would be it
[05:07] <sirlurksalot> You can go into Settings, then Sound, and you should be able to see a list of applications using audio, and their volume levels, as well as selections for Output and Input devices (and a way to test the output devices)
[05:10] <Kanihiro> hi.
[05:12] <sirlurksalot> dr`venom, try installing pavucontrol which is a graphical program that will show you all the applications sending audio and let you re-route where they output
[05:12] <sirlurksalot> and control volumes, independently
[05:12] <sirlurksalot> it's a much more granular tool and might help you
[05:41] <backthen> I open a terminal during Ubuntu installation. Then I do fdisk -l to show partitions but get permission denied for all listed partitions. is this right?
[05:56] <bindi> backthen: sudo in front
[06:20] <backthen> bindi: I used GPart tool as well. It shows no partition other than the USB drive itself. It's as if the hard disk is not found
[06:36] <darshanmn> Hi, after a recent system update on ubuntu 20.04 I'm facing this error whenever I run few programs - "/usr/bin/ssh: error while loading shared libraries: libkeyutils.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". I've tried reinstalling the library package but it fails with the following error:
[06:36] <darshanmn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w4hqr4pHzs/. I'm not able to find anything online to fix the issue so can someone help me out?
[06:40] <leibniz[m]> systemd-analyze time
[06:40] <leibniz[m]> Startup finished in 12.519s (firmware) + 3.024s (loader) + 4.264s (kernel) + 1min 24.412s (userspace) = 1min 44.221s  ==\n== graphical.target reached after 55.584s in userspace
[06:40] <leibniz[m]> How to reduce userspace time?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: are you on 20.04?
[07:57] <XATRIX> Hi, how can i find out which packages pulls apache2 as deps ?
[07:58] <mgedmin> apt-cache rdepends apache2?
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> XATRIX: when installing packages with apt, you always have to confirm yes/no you can also check the pulls there
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: i fixed my hp issue after ltsupgrade yesterday with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/1719169 fix #1
[08:00] <XATRIX> yeap, but i can't figure out. take a look please. http://i.imgur.com/DjcqW4H.png
[08:01] <XATRIX> I'm just installing php + nginx(already installed), but php pulls apache2 full
[08:06] <mgedmin> XATRIX: php Depends: php7.4, which Depends: libapache2-mod-php7.4, which Recommends: apache2
[08:06] <mgedmin> you may want to apt install --no-install-recommends php to avoid pulling in apache2
[08:06] <qwerty1793> Hi, I made a mirror of all of the bionic files at archive.ubuntu.com to use as a local apt mirror but when I change /etc/apt/sources.list to point at my local copy I get a "main/dep11/icons-48x48.tar not found" error. I've checked and there is an entry for this file in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease but there is no such file at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/dep11/
[08:07] <qwerty1793> how do I get this file so that I can run apt update and have it succeed?
[08:10] <XATRIX> mgedmin: yeap, 'libapache2-mod-php7.4' depends on 'php7.4' is it possible to "mask" apache2 from libapache2-mod-php7.4?
[08:11] <qwerty1793> I also tried un-gzipping the .tar.gz folders that were in the directory but running "gunzip -k ./main/dep11/*.gz" but afterwards I got a "cannot open, file is open (error: 13)"
[08:18] <mgedmin> XATRIX: do you not like the --no-install-recommends solution?  you can also do `apt install php apache2-` with the trailing - to tell apt you do not want apache2 to be installed
[08:19] <XATRIX> Ah...didn't know it , thanks !
[08:25] <xtao> mod_php is the ancient way of using php with apache anyway, probably shouldn't be a dependancy as apache should be using something like php-fpm the same as nginx
[08:30] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: no 18.04.
[08:31] <leibniz[m]> I don't need text2speech at the moment. Can I apt purge speed-dispatcher without messing up anything else?
[08:36] <lotus|NUC> leibniz[m]: pastebin systemd-analyze critical-chain please
[08:38] <leibniz[m]> lotus|NUC: https://termbin.com/ztwg
[08:42] <lotus|NUC> leibniz[m]: seems like docker and your desktop are taking most of time
[08:43] <leibniz[m]> lotus|NUC: did docker took 8 or 46 sec?
[08:43] <leibniz[m]> Also I
[08:44] <leibniz[m]> Im using i3wm..no desktop
[08:44] <lotus|NUC> leibniz[m]: ok, thats even weirder, as i3 should give you much faster boots then gnome
[08:45] <lotus|NUC> leibniz[m]: what other services/programs did you install on your system?
[08:46] <mgedmin> xtao: php7.4 Depends: libapache2-mod-php7.4 | php7.4-fpm | php7.4-cgi, php7.4-common, so if you choose to install fpm, apt shouldn't try to pull in apache modules
[08:48] <xtao> ahhh. so it just depends on which you have installed first
[08:54] <leibniz[m]> lotus|NUC: https://termbin.com/xryb
[08:59] <Ox861726f6c64> I have Zenbook UX334FLC and speakers won't work(mic is working tho), I searched for this issue and I've found the problem is a specific issue for Zenbook model. I've tried upgrading/downgrading kernel versions. I can provide debug info if requested.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: wich kernel are you on?
[09:05] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: 5.4.0-48-generic
[09:06] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: is snapd the culprit?
[09:06] <leibniz[m]> I have 6 snap apps. and each of them are taking 9 seconds?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: im not really sure yet, i know bionics systemd is slower then 20.04 but with i3wm doesnt make much sense your system lags so much
[09:07] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: I'm actually using Xubuntu but in a i3session...
[09:07] <leibniz[m]> Xfdesktop doesn't load
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: even weirder, is your docker a snap?
[09:08] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: no
[09:08] <leibniz[m]> vscode, core, core18, gtk-common-themes, scrcpy and exercism
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: well docker is ontop your blame list, maybe you could compare without it as a test?
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> leibniz[m]: maybe also try booting onto a fresh users as a test
[09:10] <leibniz[m]> lotuspsychje: apt-daily-service is at top...
[09:10] <reivilibre> hello — I was wondering if anyone might have further pointers on what I can do to solve a longstanding (been having it since 2016) WiFi issue.
[09:10] <reivilibre> The problem is: when I resume from suspend, all wireless devices appear as 'hard blocked' — but my laptop does not have any hardware switches
[09:10] <reivilibre> This seems to be an issue across many HP Pavilion laptops (mine is a 15-ab271sa with Intel Wireless 3165 rev 81)
[09:10] <reivilibre> Even if I plug in a USB dongle, it does not work after resumption (even if it was plugged in after resumption).
[09:10] <reivilibre> The only workaround I have found is to pass through a USB dongle to a virtual machine and use it there.
[09:10] <reivilibre> I'm not alone with this problem; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1781049 and https://askubuntu.com/questions/737892/hard-blocked-wifi-after-suspend seem to be the same
[09:39] <Ublx> what program do I use best to define additional keys of my new 5-key-mouse (ubuntu 18.04)?
[09:49] <Ublx> and are their mice that are not possible to connect to ubuntu?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> Ublx: there are always cases where a mouse doesnt pickup for a reason, like when its a bluetooth mouse for example and BT has troubles pairing
[10:09] <qwerty1793> Hi, I made a mirror of all of the bionic files at archive.ubuntu.com to use as a local apt mirror but when I change /etc/apt/sources.list to point at my local copy I get a "main/dep11/icons-48x48.tar not found" error. I've checked and there is an entry for this file in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease but there is no such file at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/dep11/
[10:09] <qwerty1793> how do I get this file so that I can run apt update and have it succeed?
[10:13] <mgedmin> I expect you could download icons-48x48.tar.gz and gunzip it
[10:14] <eeos> is it possible to install kubuntu and ubuntu on the same machine without having problems such as reduction of performances (for example because of duplication of processes).
[10:16] <CryptoSiD> what's the correct channel for Ubuntu 20.10?
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> !+1 | CryptoSiD
[10:16] <CryptoSiD> thanks :)
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu+1
[11:17] <leibniz[m]> Is removing list file from apt/sources.list.d/ enough for removing PPA?
[11:17] <Ublx> lotuspsychje: it's not bluetooth and the mouse works with the normal buttons and wheel. what program do I use best for activating and define the additional keys?
[11:17] <leibniz[m]> what is this keyring thing?
[11:19] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: yes, but don't forget to run apt update afterwards
[11:20] <mgedmin> and yeah, that would leave the ppa's gpg key in your apt keyring, but I don't think that's a big problem
[11:20] <mgedmin> `add-apt-repository --remove ppa:user/repo` might be nicer
[11:21] <mgedmin> a keyring is like a database that contains cryptographic keys
[11:21] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: I purged leap-archive-keyring as well.
[11:21] <mgedmin> that sounds unrelated
[11:21] <leibniz[m]> A really weird problem. I want to remove or purge hddtemp. But another completely unrelated package to it seems to be also deleted
[11:24] <leibniz[m]> When I sudo apt remove hddtemp, it issues me with a warning that ROS package would be unnecessary after this.
[11:24] <leibniz[m]> but that is not in anyway related to hddtemp
[11:25] <mgedmin> perhaps it became unnecessary earlier; IIRC every apt operation tells you about autoremovable packages and suggests the command to remove them
[11:26] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: no I suspected this. It should show me that there are unneeded packages after a update and upgrade. but it doesn't.
[11:26] <leibniz[m]> It only does so when I'm about to uninstall that.
[12:01] <qwerty1793> Hi, I made a mirror of all of the bionic files at archive.ubuntu.com to use as a local apt mirror but when I change /etc/apt/sources.list to point at my local copy I get a "main/dep11/icons-48x48.tar not found" error. I've checked and there is an entry for this file in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/InRelease but there is no such file at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/dep11/
[12:01] <qwerty1793> how do I get this file so that I can run apt update and have it succeed?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:21] <leitz> Is there something different for installing gimp? "apt-get install gimp"  E: Package 'gimp' has no installation candidate
[12:21] <mgedmin> leitz: re-run apt update and see if that helps?  what's your ubuntu version?
[12:22] <mgedmin> maybe you just don't have the universe component enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:22] <mgedmin> (for which the fix is to sudo add-apt-repository universe)
[12:22] <mgedmin> hey how come add-apt-repository's --help is more verbose than the manual page?
[12:24] <leitz> mgedmin, Ubuntu 20.04, I can see some "universe" things in the sources.list but they are commented out. Any one in particular I should edit?
[12:25] <mgedmin> all of them; simpler to run sudo add-apt-repository universe or click the relevant checkbox in the Software Sources GUI
[12:25] <leitz> mgedmin, man pages are "fun" to write, for masochistic definitions of fun...
[12:45] <leitz> mgedmin, running "add-apt-repository universe" let me find gimp, but it fails due to unmet dependencies. Is that "normal"?
[12:46] <leitz> mgedmin, sorry, "it fails" should be "apt-get install gimp".
[12:46] <mgedmin> that's weird, I have gimp installed here on 20.04
[12:46] <mgedmin> what dependency does it think is missing?
[12:47] <leitz> Depends: libgimp2.0 (>= 2.10.18) but it is not going to be installed      Depends: libgimp2.0 (<= 2.10.18-z) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgegl-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.22) but it is not going to be installed
[12:49] <leitz> apt list libgimp2.0 does not show "installed"
[12:51] <mgedmin> it sounds as if there's some conflict that prevents libgegl-0.4-0 from being installed
[12:51] <mgedmin> what I usually do in similar situations is explicitly ask apt to install those packages that are dependencies
[12:51] <mgedmin> i.e. sudo apt install gimp libgimp2.0 libgegl-0.4-0
[12:52] <mgedmin> usually what I get is a different error message, so I often have to repeat that by adding more and more dependencies
[12:52] <mgedmin> until apt finally tells me that it can't install package X because it conflicts with package Y
[12:52] <mgedmin> or something
[12:53] <mgedmin> do you have any 3rd-party repositories enabled?  because gimp in the main archive shouldn't have dependency problems
[12:53] <leitz> Yeah, now libumfpack5 is not installable.
[12:53] <leitz>  libgegl-0.4-0 : Depends: libumfpack5 (>= 1:4.5.2) but it is not installable
[12:53] <leitz> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[12:55] <leitz> Ah, found it. I hadn't checked "Canonical Supported ..." in the Software thingy.
[12:56] <leitz> mgedmin, thanks for the assist!
[12:57] <mgedmin> huh, is that the 'main' component?  oops :)
[13:24] <wedr> Hello, running on a newly upgraded Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS. How do you reduce the size of the UI of the login screen? It's cutting off my username with ellipsis.
[13:31] <ice9> I've backup from postfix/dovecot Maildir  of an old account, now I need to be able to list and view message inside the Maildir; how can I do that?
[13:39] <zeorin> Hey all. I'm running 20.04 and my sound has suddenly stopped working. I only have dummy output.
[13:41] <zeorin> I have tried `sudo alsa force-reload` but this is not helping.
[13:43] <zeorin> There are no sound cards detected. `sudo lspci -v | grep -i audio` returns nothing.
[13:43] <zeorin> I'm pretty sure this was `snd_hda_intel` before
[13:57] <stevecoh1> Hello.  I am trying to transfer an existing install of Ubuntu (20.4.1 LTS) from a hard drive to a new SSD.  Many little gotchas.  Here's one.  I should have told computer store the username I wanted them to add.  Instead, they made one up, not the one on the existing install.  Anyway, I added the user I wanted to use, but a minor annoyance is this.
[13:58] <stevecoh1> When I reboot, Ubuntu automatically logs in to the user I don't want.  I have to log out, then I get a choice of users, then pick the one I want.  Where is this controlled and how do I fix it?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> zeorin, try, sudo aplay -l
[14:00] <stevecoh1> never mind, found it.
[14:01] <leftyfb> stevecoh1: why not just copy the old contents of the old drive to the new ssd using dd ?
[14:01] <leftyfb> or not
[14:03] <BluesKaj> zeorin, then try sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, there will be no output if the driver loads, but you''ll probly need a reboot...it's an old intel audio bug that's been overlooked for yrs
[14:25] <mgedmin> ice9: mutt -f your-maildir/
[14:37] <kyle__> Is there an extra package for desktop-type kernel modules for linux-image-4.18.0*generic?
[14:37] <kyle__> The 4.15.*-generic line had drivers for my laptop's sound card and webcam, but the 4.18 does not.  The 4.15 however didn't work with my wifi :/
[14:38] <sruli> how can i get the size of all files in a dir excluding all subdirs?
[14:38] <kyle__> I think there's a flag you can pass to do du for that... gimmie a sec to remember
[14:39] <sruli> there is --exclude=, bt there are about 300 subdirs, dont want to list all
[14:39] <kyle__> Nah, manpage is faster than my memory
[14:39] <kyle__> -S
[14:39] <kyle__> To quote from the sacred scrolls: "for directories do not include size of  subdirectories"
[14:39] <sruli> kyle__: many thanks
[15:14] <hexo_> hi, please how can i reassign action - when i click in firefox in downloads on Open containing folder, it runs a baobab
[15:14] <hexo_> which makes no sense
[15:14] <hexo_> i want it to launch dolphin
[15:16] <leftyfb> hexo_: try https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-default-filemanager
[15:16] <leftyfb> hexo_: also https://askubuntu.com/a/234532
[15:17] <leftyfb> hexo_: found both by searching google for "ubuntu change default file manager"
[15:18] <jozefk> how do I fix this please:
[15:18] <jozefk> E: Failed to fetch http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  File has unexpected size (201420 != 200914). Mirror sync in progress?
[15:18] <hexo_> leftyfb: hexo@qwop:€:~> xdg-mime query default inode/directory
[15:18] <hexo_> org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
[15:18] <hexo_> hm, :D
[15:19] <hexo_> baobab isnt nautilus :D
[15:19] <hexo_> and even i dont have nautilus at all, interesting
[15:19] <leftyfb> hexo_: try the 2nd link
[15:20] <hexo_> leftyfb: thanks a lot, it works like charm!
[15:38] <darshanmn> Hi, after a recent system update on ubuntu 20.04 I'm facing this error whenever I run few programs - "/usr/bin/ssh: error while loading shared libraries: libkeyutils.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". I've tried reinstalling the library package but it fails with the following error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/w4hqr4pHzs/. I'm not able to find anything online to fix the issue so can someone help me out?
[15:39] <darshanmn> Or can someone direct me to the right platform to inquire about this issue and find a solution?
[15:39] <enyc> Uargh
[15:39] <enyc> ubuntu 20.04 / mint 20   update-initramfs   definitely seems to be not-honouring  /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
[15:40] <enyc> I have definitely added sata_sil as single line on the end
[15:41] <enyc> oh! missing in source direcotry wtf foing on!
[15:41]  * enyc investigates
[15:42] <enyc> OH module is in some -extra package
[16:07] <freebyte> /quit/quit
[16:25] <amosbird> Hello, how can I download the source file of  https://apt.llvm.org/focal/dists/llvm-toolchain-focal-11/
[16:48] <leftyfb> amosbird: contact llvm.org for support with their packages
[17:17] <xMeia> any just chatting channel?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | xMeia
[17:32] <xMeia> how do you remove validation with password for installing/updating etc?
[17:33] <xMeia> I am on Xubuntu
[17:37] <jkdie7nino> I have issue with squid, even if next is comented out I have issue to access server which is on noneusual port
[17:37] <jkdie7nino>  #http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports
[17:37] <jkdie7nino> http_access deny !Safe_ports
[17:45] <isene> Is it possible to define exact colors in the 256 color palette in .Xresources (rather than #5f0895)?
[17:50] <akem> Hey, i can't find a desktop magnifier :X ?
[17:52] <Shillos> use a normal one and use it against the display :-)
[17:52] <leftyfb> akem: press the start/super key on your keyboard and type in "magnifier"
[17:53] <akem> leftyfb, I'm using fluxbox, i need a standalone app like xmag but that works constantly.
[17:54] <g3poandlsl> I am trying to use the Ubuntu 18.04 ISO as a local repo for an offline VM to install some packages.  apt errors with _file not found_. Inspecting the ISO directories, I clearly see the deb packages are there
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: did you sudo apt update after adding your iso?
[17:58] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, yes.  I added the ISO with `apt-cdrom add` and followed with `apt update`
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: is that on server or desktop?
[18:00] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, desktop
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: did you try from software&sources adding the cdrom?
[18:02] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, yes.  I used both software & sources GUI and terminal (apt-cdrom).  I even tried manually editting /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> weird
[18:02] <g3poandlsl> apt is obviously able to retrieve the release and packages files form the ISO
[18:02] <g3poandlsl> apt list displays all packages that are supposedly available
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> g3poandlsl: compare with your method perhaps; https://techpiezo.com/linux/use-iso-image-as-cd-rom-repository-in-ubuntu/
[18:05] <mgedmin> g3poandlsl: you cannot use Ubuntu livecd-based installer CD images as apt sources
[18:05] <mgedmin> the installation doesn't use apt to copy packages; it copies the entire filesystem from the CDROM, including the apt database
[18:10] <g3poandlsl> mgedmin, thanks. looks like I will need to create my own local repo
[18:11] <g3poandlsl> lotuspsychje, Thanks for the link, unfortunately didn't work in my case
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:13] <Ublx> with xev i get the events of my 2 additional mouse buttons of my mouse but with xbindkeys-config there's no reaction like i wouldn't press any button. any idea what's wrong? i use 18.04.
[18:13] <Ublx> and in the browser they work like forward and backward
[18:43] <txithihausen> Hi fellows, I'm dealing with a problem to enable network in my ubuntu desktop 20.04 when running as a OS guest of a Virtualbox VM. When I run as NAT everything works fine but when I need to configure as Bridge option the ubuntu does not detect any network. My OS host is also an Ubuntu 20.04. Any tip?
[18:47] <rfm> txithihausen, make sure the vboxnetflt module is loaded, if not it probably needs to be rebuilt.  Are you trying to bridge to a wireless network?  (And what do you mean "does not detect any network" anyway?)
[18:53] <txithihausen> rfm, thank you for the answer. For the first question, I have just built the OS Guest Additions but oddly I'm unable to find such module (I've found others related to vbox). For the second, yes, I'm trying to bridge to a wireless. In previous versions of Ubuntu I haven't faced any issue on this regards. Finally, for the third question, my ubuntu guest start without detect and configure network. On the other hand, if I start configure as NAT mode
[18:53] <txithihausen> everything works fine.
[18:55] <txithihausen> rfm, even if I configure static ip it does not work
[19:00] <rfm> txithihausen, vboxnetflt is on the host, not the guest. it is part of the host vbox install, not Guest Additions.
[19:00] <txithihausen> rfm, I'll check. Just a moment.
[19:03] <txithihausen> rfm, I just checked and my os host has such module.
[19:09] <pavlos> txithihausen: in bridged mode, the guest should pick up an ip from your router (and be part of your lan). Is that what you want?
[19:14] <pavlos> txithihausen: in nat mode, the guest gets an ip (example <IP_ADDRESS>), can access the Internet but cannot see your lan.
[19:15] <txithihausen> pavlos, yes, i'm aware of such behavior.
[19:16] <rfm> txithihausen, it's still possible the module is out of date wrt to the kernel.  It would be worth rebuilding it, unfortunatly I don't remember how to do that (I use the packages from virtualbox.org where it all happens automatically)
[19:17] <txithihausen> rfm, it is my case also (use of pre-built packages). I'll take a look on this matter.
[19:41] <Maik> *offtopic* Seveas greetings from Cugel over at #ubuntu-nl.
[19:52] <other_rick> Hello, I have a file image.rootfs.sdcard that kind of file could be burn on a sdcard using dd?
[20:18] <xMeia> any tips for performance software on linux to an old laptop? (4gb, dual core 1,8GHz)
[20:26] <eldowan> I'm running bionic, and I'm trying to configure network manager to have both a DHCP and manual address, both with default gateways, but the DHCP gateway used if DHCP is provided. Is there a way to accomplish this? I'm looking for this behavior because this device may be deployed in either scenario and if I set a gw on the manual entry the DHCP doesn't get used for a gateway
[20:37] <txithihausen> Fellows, regarding my previous doubt (enable network on a ubuntu as OS guest) I getting a strange behavior. If the OS Guest is Ubuntu 18.04 (server edition) the network works just fine but in 20.04 no. Any tip?
[21:12] <isene> Anyone here knows of a hex -> X11-256-color converter? I have found a couple of scripts that yields the wrong results. I want a script that does what X11 does when reading hex colors in .Xresources and reducing the 16 million colors available in hex format to the 256 colors available to xterm or urxvt.
[21:13] <pavlos> eldowan: does this help ... https://askubuntu.com/questions/452317/both-dhcp-and-static-ip-addresses-simultaneously-on-one-interface
[21:13] <eldowan> Thanks pavlos, I'll check that out soon.
[21:18] <mfoolb> hello.. I've just upgraded to latest version and after reboot I can reach the login page but after some seconds I receive a rfkill message (input handler enabled/disabled) and I can't access the system (only tty terminal work).. what could be the problem?
[21:19] <mfoolb> if I swith to the tty with the graphic interface I receive the error again and again
[21:19] <mfoolb> I upgraded to 20.04.1 LTS
[21:20] <pavlos> isene: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11765623/convert-hex-to-closest-x11-color-number
[21:22] <mfoolb> any suggestion? Any way to downgrade?
[21:37] <mfoolb> I'll try to be more clear. Ubuntu 19, system asked for upgrade.. after that I have 20.04.1 LTS, luks pswd ok - system boots - graphical interface starts but after 10/15 seconds it switches to terminal mode and print rfkill error changing tty and back graphical interface is on but another 10/15 seconds and rfkill error is showed again.. what can I do to solve this issue? (terminal is working)
[21:38] <ocaeedro> join #archlinux-es
[21:39] <Kanihiro> who?
[21:39] <mfoolb> I'll be glad if someone could take a bit of hist time to help, TIA
[21:40] <Kanihiro> i recommend to make a backup and install 20.04 by ISO.
[21:41] <mfoolb> Kanihiro: thanks. I cuold do that but strange thing is the everything is working so I thought that could be a way to solve this particular issue
[21:41] <Kanihiro> maybe has, but i dont know :(
[21:43] <Kanihiro> wait..
[21:43] <Kanihiro> try using init 1, init 2 etc.
[21:43] <Kanihiro> (don't use init 5 and higher)
[21:43] <Kanihiro> maybe init 3 works.
[21:44] <mfoolb> Kanihiro: everything works using a terminal (no need to change init)
[21:46] <pavlos> mfoolb: anything in /var/log/syslog? or .xsession-errors ?
[21:50] <pavlos> mfoolb: rfkill all list | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:50] <mfoolb> pavlos: syslog report the rfkill error I mentioned
[21:53] <mfoolb> https://termbin.com/6fyh
[21:53] <mfoolb> I did rfkill list all
[21:54] <mfoolb> pavlos: doesn't seem to be of much help
[21:55] <pavlos> mfoolb: wanted to check there are not blocked
[21:55] <mfoolb> pavlos: really strange behaviour
[21:56] <pavlos> mfoolb: maybe the wifi card is heating up
[21:56] <pavlos> need to run ... back later
[21:57] <mfoolb> pavlos: tried booting with wifi adapter disconnected.. same result
[22:26] <eldowan> pavlos: your link gets me to the point I'm at. When I add an additional static address to the DHCP profile, it works, but both routes show a metric of 100 when I run 'ip r'. I was hoping to find a way that I could alter the metric of the static, or conditionally assign the active gateway to prefer dhcp over static address.
[22:32] <pavlos> eldowan: modify metric by adding "metric 700" under the [ipv4] heading for the static ip
[22:33] <pavlos> mfoolb: can you connect wired and see if you get same bahavior?
[22:33] <eldowan> thanks pavlos, i'll try that tomorrow morning when I'm back to work.
[22:35] <pavlos> mfoolb: are you using gdm to login?
[22:38] <random1> Hello #ubuntu. Having issues and I believe my system could have been compromised. Dealing with malicious roommate unfortunately. Im curious on my gUFW its showing on reports quite a bit of ports. My options are set to "public" and "reject" incoming and "allow" outgoing.
[22:41] <random1> Also i currently use firefox with noscript, uBlock Origin, Decentraleyes, and HTTPS everywhere. I dont run any servers or anything off of this laptop. Also VPN encryption on openvpn
[23:00] <random1> anyone alive?
[23:09] <dTal> random1: I'm heading to bed, but as a rule - if you think you might have been compromised, the only safe thing to do is to back up your files and reinstall.
[23:10] <random1> I agree lol
[23:10] <dTal> Apart from that, you haven't given us much to go on.


[00:14] <mup> Bug #1801201 opened: Installed snap icons missing if using pixmap <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1801201>
[08:05] <pstolowski> morning
[08:43] <sil2100> Morning o/
[08:43] <sil2100> Are zyga or mvo around today?
[09:05] <pstolowski> hey sil2100!
[09:06] <pstolowski> sil2100: no, he has a day off
[09:07] <pstolowski> sil2100: zyga thats is; don't remember about mvo, but probably off as well
[09:08] <pstolowski> morning Chipaca!
[09:09] <sil2100> :<
[09:09] <Chipaca> pstolowski: morning!
[09:11] <Chipaca> pstolowski: thank you for the review!
[09:12] <Chipaca> pstolowski: if you still have room for more, #6074 would be nice
[09:12] <mup> PR #6074: strutil: make VersionCompare faster <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6074>
[09:12] <Chipaca> pstolowski: yesterday I was wondering if you'd be taking today off as well
[09:12] <pstolowski> Chipaca: added a few comments to your "survive missing..." PR; i need 2nd cup of coffee though, so if i suggested something silly, it's because of not enough coffee
[09:13] <Chipaca> pstolowski: :-)
[09:13] <Chipaca> pstolowski: I'll think about the  !(err == nil && exists && isDir)  vs  err != nil || !exists || !isDir
[09:14] <Chipaca> pstolowski: it used to be the second way, fwiw
[09:14] <Chipaca> i changed it because i thought it was clearer
[09:14] <Chipaca> so maybe i was wrong =)
[09:15] <Chipaca> i'll try splitting it out and see what it looks like
[09:18] <pstolowski> Chipaca: thanks.
[09:18] <pstolowski> Chipaca: will look at this other PR.
[09:20]  * zyga is off
[09:20] <zyga> (just having wifi)
[09:21] <pstolowski> + pacman -Rnsc --noconfirm xdg-utils
[09:21] <pstolowski> error: target not found: xdg-utils
[09:21] <pstolowski> hmm
[10:20] <pstolowski> Chipaca: +1 for version check optimization, with tiny suggestions
[10:20] <Chipaca> pstolowski: ok
[10:20] <Chipaca> pstolowski: ok to do them in a followup?
[10:20] <pstolowski> Chipaca: sure
[10:21] <pstolowski> Chipaca: although you'll probably not get second +1 today :}
[10:21] <Chipaca> pstolowski: didn't it already have one?
[10:21] <pstolowski> Chipaca: that one has
[10:21] <pstolowski> Chipaca: but followup won't
[10:21] <Chipaca> pstolowski: ah, you mean for the followup
[10:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: but the followup is happening anyway :)
[10:22] <pstolowski> ah, ok
[10:22] <Chipaca> pstolowski: (it's the rewrite of #6065 using the new version compare)
[10:22] <mup> PR #6065: cmd, strutil: make coreSupportsReExec faster <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6065>
[10:22] <Chipaca> ah, actually that one already has a +1 :-D
[10:23] <Chipaca> but, yeah, it's a rewrite so i'd be cheating if i used that
[10:23] <Chipaca> hmmmmmmmmm
[10:23] <Chipaca> mm
[10:23] <Chipaca> m
[10:26] <Chipaca> pstolowski: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/gb9TR4268y/
[10:26] <Chipaca> pstolowski: strings.Trim* is unideal
[10:26] <pstolowski> jeeez
[10:27] <pstolowski> ok, leave it as is ;)
[10:28] <pstolowski> Chipaca: uh, i presume your earlier PR fixes the occasional error i see on travis today:
[10:28] <pstolowski> - Save data of snap "test-snapd-tools" in snapshot set #1 (cannot create archive: tar: common: Cannot stat: No such file or directory (and 1 more))
[10:29] <pstolowski> and everything below collapses
[10:29] <Chipaca> pstolowski: yes
[10:29] <pstolowski> and we won't land it today :(
[10:30] <Chipaca> pstolowski: I'll push your suggestions in a bit, and then I'll land it once green
[10:30] <Chipaca> it's tripping up tests too much
[10:30] <Chipaca> we can always revert if it was Wrong
[10:31] <Chipaca> pstolowski: btw if instead of TrimLeft I use TrimLeftFunc, it's only 10% slower and doesn't use any more memory
[10:31] <Chipaca> the problem seems to be TrimLeft, which makes a cutset object
[10:31] <Chipaca> cuset function object thing
[10:33] <pstolowski> ack. i expected it would be slightly slower as it supports substring match.. but that's beyond my wildest expectations
[10:34] <pstolowski> thanks for checking. good to know
[10:49] <pstolowski> Chipaca: thanks for the changes #6086, i find these conditions much more readable now (but again, it might be personal preference)
[10:49] <mup> PR #6086: overlord/snapshotstate/backend: survive missing directories <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6086>
[10:49] <Chipaca> pstolowski: yep, i get it
[11:08] <pstolowski> Chipaca: restartin #6086, travis failed with "null"
[11:08] <mup> PR #6086: overlord/snapshotstate/backend: survive missing directories <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6086>
[11:15] <mup> PR core#38 closed: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[11:15] <mup> PR core#83 closed: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[11:15] <mup> PR core#98 closed: Add force_turbo rpi option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/98>
[11:16] <mup> PR core#38 opened: Add another pi-config option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/38>
[11:16] <mup> PR core#83 opened: move most of the ubuntu-core config deb into the snap snap build <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/83>
[11:16] <mup> PR core#98 opened: Add force_turbo rpi option <Created by sergey-borovkov> <https://github.com/snapcore/core/pull/98>
[11:29] <mup> PR snapd#6087 opened: tests: core 18 does not support classic confinement <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6087>
[11:44] <ogra> cjwatson, jut FYI i think your theory about the proxy token timeout and my 2h kernel build was wrong, a 3h build finished fine yeterday (same snapcraft.yaml) https://launchpad.net/~build.snapcraft.io/+snap/0e2b1c47138b20d1431cf32b24b68bb3-xenial/+build/367710
[11:45] <cjwatson> ogra: It's probably marginal and just happened to reach the relevant pull stage before the two-hour cutoff
[11:45] <cjwatson> ogra: I've checked and the proxy auth token does indeed time out after two hours, as I remembered
[11:46] <cjwatson> ogra: In fact, there are enough timestamps in that log that you can see it
[11:46] <ogra> well, the last part in that snapcraft.yaml is a single external module build, i doubt that takes 1.5h
[11:46] <cjwatson>  1 Nov 23:27:40 ntpdate[1830]: adjust time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset -0.010249 sec
[11:46] <cjwatson> [02/Nov/2018:01:23:03 +0000] "CONNECT github.com:443 HTTP/1.1" 200 161369 "-" "git/2.7.4"
[11:46] <cjwatson> just under two hours difference
[11:47] <ogra> hmm, weird
[11:47] <cjwatson> ogra: the slow bit might be actually packing up the snap maybe?  not sure
[11:47] <cjwatson> there's not much else at that point that could be slow
[11:48] <ogra> yeah and that bit has no timetamps
[11:49] <cjwatson> Indeed, unfortunately
[11:58] <ackk> hi, does anyone know how to make nginx run inside a snap? if I specify "user root" it tries to initgroups() and fails
[12:04] <cjwatson> ackk: lp:snapstore-snap (Canonical-private) has some very hacky stuff to make that work
[12:04] <ackk> cjwatson, are you using nginx from the deb or building your own?
[12:04] <cjwatson> Basically shoving in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GK6GtfDbzh/ to stub it
[12:05] <cjwatson> ackk: we use stage-packages: nginx-light
[12:05] <cjwatson> and use that
[12:06] <ackk> cjwatson, I see
[12:06] <cjwatson> It's not pretty, but it works.  See https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/seccomp-filtering-for-setgroups/2109/7
[12:07] <ackk> cjwatson, thanks
[12:07] <cjwatson> np
[12:17] <mup> PR snapd#6077 closed: overlord/ifacestate: use map[string]*connState when passing conns around <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6077>
[12:54] <pstolowski> Chipaca: cachio are we skipping the standup?
[12:54] <Chipaca> I wouldn't mind, nothing new since yesterday I don't think
[12:57] <cachio> pstolowski, no idea
[12:57] <pstolowski> cachio: it's up to us, there is no one else today
[12:58] <cachio> pstolowski, let's skip it in that case
[12:59] <cachio> pstolowski, I am working fixing tests now
[13:00] <Chipaca> pstolowski: I thought degville was also with us today
[13:01] <degville> Chipaca: pstolowski: yep, I'm here.
[13:01] <degville> (there)
[13:01] <pstolowski> Chipaca: ah, you may be right, sorry!
[13:01] <Chipaca> degville: let's skip it unless you have more news for us than can fit on irc =)
[13:01] <degville> that's fine :)
[14:07] <mup> PR snapd#6086 closed: overlord/snapshotstate/backend: survive missing directories <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6086>
[14:10] <mup> PR snapd#6088 opened: tests: add debug output for degraded test <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6088>
[14:12] <mup> PR snapd#6074 closed: strutil: make VersionCompare faster <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6074>
[14:31]  * cachio afk
[15:12] <mup> PR snapd#6088 closed: tests: add debug output for degraded test <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6088>
[15:42] <diddledan> so, someone who shall remain nameless managed to figure out how to get GTK2 and GTK3 to both work from the same snap
[15:43] <diddledan> hint, it involves removing GTK_PATH ;-p
[15:44]  * diddledan pings kenvandine about that one
[15:44] <diddledan> I'm just off out, but I'll write it up later
[15:45] <kenvandine> hey diddledan
[15:45] <diddledan> ello :-)
[15:47] <diddledan> the customised desktop-gtk part (patch coming in a second message) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/d2kIJ3Va/
[15:47] <diddledan> the patch referenced in the part https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nuqbPhB8/
[15:48] <diddledan> add this environment somewhere that it takes hold - could just as easily be added to the patch https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VgcQ5ALO/
[15:50] <diddledan> obviously the patch is only a patch for my use case where I'm reusing the desktop-helpers as source but to add to the desktop-helpers it can be added directly to the gtk script rather than maintained as a separate patch
[15:51] <diddledan> anywho, that's all I got, I need to jet now. bbiab
[15:51] <kenvandine> diddledan: cool
[16:21] <mup> PR snapd#6087 closed: tests: core 18 does not support classic confinement <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6087>
[16:22] <Chipaca> cachio: ^
[16:22] <cachio> Chipaca, good
[16:22] <cachio> thanks
[16:50] <diddledan> is something wrong with build.snapcraft.io? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3vIFFkBZ/image.png
[16:55] <popey> refresh? turn of ad blocker?
[16:58] <diddledan> no ad blocker, though I am using firefox which might be blocking stuff through it's "don't track me" features
[16:59] <popey> i just logged in and it worked here
[16:59] <diddledan> aha. it's https everywhere extension
[16:59] <popey> that stuff is all js locally
[16:59] <popey> ahhhh
[16:59] <diddledan> so something is being forced to https that isn't responding...
[17:00] <diddledan> or not. it's working now even after re-enabling https-everywhere
[17:00] <diddledan> perhaps a stodgy cache then
[17:06] <kyrofa> diddledan, do you have privacy badger as well?
[17:06] <diddledan> no, I haven't got that currently
[17:30] <mup> PR snapd#6062 closed: tests,store,daemon: ensure proxy settings are honored in auth/userinfo too <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6062>
[17:44] <mup> PR snapd#6089 opened: tests: install dependencies during prepare <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/6089>
[18:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#2359 closed: [WIP] extensions: add glib <Created by kyrofa> <Closed by kyrofa> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2359>
[18:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#2388 opened: project: early snapcraft.yaml validation <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2388>
[22:20] <kyrofa> Of course, the first time I actually try layouts I need to create new entries in / :P


[01:46] <russell5> if i uninstall mythbackend from synaptic does it take config files with it?
[01:53] <mrand> russell5: in general removing things via synaptic, apt, or aptitude only removes the executables, not config files
[02:00] <russell5> thats what i thought
[02:17] <tgm4883> russell5, mrand although you can get synaptic to remove config files too if that is what you are after
[02:19] <russell5> yeah i saw that thanks. i just compiled form source so wanted to remove the packages
[02:44] <qwebirc97568> Is it OK to ask for Mythbuntu custom live cd service (I will pay service) and/or for MythTV custom plugin?
[02:44] <tgm4883> it's ok to ask, I'm not sure anyone will help you
[02:47] <qwebirc97568> More clear, where is the best place to post it, because it is not about the help, it is job.
[19:27] <christip> Hi. I've installed mythbuntu 10.10 beta. I activated mythweb via mythbuntu control centre (I use password protection) but everytime I go to mythweb I only get a white page. The standard html "It works!" index file works prefectly. Does anybody have a hint to get mythweb working properly?
[19:28] <rhpot1991> christip: check your apache logs
[19:28] <christip> I use the latest mythtv weekly build (trunk).
[19:31] <Gibby> christip: try adding /mythweb to the end
[19:31] <Gibby> of your url
[19:32] <christip> I tried /mythweb withour success
[19:32] <christip> I get the following errors in apache2 logs:
[19:34] <christip> PHP Warning: file_get_contents(modules_path/_shared/lang/English.lang): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 166
[19:35] <christip> PHP fatal error: Failed to open translation file: modules_path/_shared/lang/English.lang in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 170
[19:35] <christip> File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico
[20:22] <christip> I found a way to solve the problem (not a real solution, just one for me)
[20:24] <christip> The mistake must be in the Translate.php. Instead of "$path = modules_path.'/'.module.'/lang/'.$language.'.lang'; I wrote the direct path to the German.lang
[20:53] <Toast> I've got an odd problem with a new mythbuntu system. The system is perfectly stable running stress or memory tests, and seems happy playing recorded TV, but when I try to play HD from BBC iplayer, after about 5 min, the machine hard locks up and needs to be power cycled. It's an Athalon 64 with Nvidia graphics. Any help debugging this would be appreciated.