[00:05] <Neo1> who know can I add a few owners to one file
[00:05] <Neo1> I've tested one site and here I see a few owners http://prntscr.com/hjms0n
[00:09] <Neo1> see this, how they did two owners for one folder? http://prntscr.com/hjmt5a
[00:16] <adrian_1908> Neo1: I think that menu is an either or offer, not both at the same time.
[00:17] <adrian_1908> If you want more than one user to partake regarding file permissions, you could create a group and make multiple users members of that.
[00:17] <littlekitty> I forgot my password for remote desktop connections. How can I look it up again? I still have root ssh access
[00:18] <Neo1> adrian_1908: see if I do group my folder should have access 775?
[00:18] <Neo1> and files 775
[00:18] <mutante> littlekitty: you probably can't look it up, but you can reset it with the "passwd" command. try "password username" and replace username with the actual user
[00:18] <adrian_1908> Neo1: Yes, with 775 the group member would have full rights!
[00:18] <mutante> littlekitty: (after becoming root)
[00:19] <adrian_1908> Neo1: File can be 664, unless you have something to execute (rare).
[00:19] <littlekitty> @mutante what does password root do then?
[00:19] <mutante> littlekitty: sorry, "passwd" not "password"
[00:19] <Neo1> adrian_1908: and it's nothing wrong? In wordpress codex is written folders should have 755 and files 644
[00:19] <littlekitty> @mutante oh okay, thanks. i thought there is some config file where the password is saved :(
[00:20] <mutante> littlekitty: well, what user are you using for remote desktop?
[00:20] <mutante> littlekitty: there is, /etc/passwd but it's encrypted and you should use the passwd command to update it
[00:20] <adrian_1908> Neo1: Wordpress might assume a certain setup. Maybe you needs aren't aligned with that? I can't answer that for you.
[00:20] <mutante> littlekitty: actually, /etc/shadow
[00:21] <littlekitty> @mutante I think/hope it's xrdp sorry I'm not sure
[00:21] <littlekitty> @mutante actually I think I found something in [/etc/xrdp/xrdp.ini]
[00:21] <adrian_1908> Neo1: On shared hosting, often everything is run one a single user/owner I think, so for simplicity the admin, webserver, database are all the same user and own things. Then 755 is not a problem.
[00:22] <Neo1> adrian_1908: see this http://prntscr.com/hjmxkh
[00:23] <Neo1> adrian_1908: it's default 755 and 644
[00:23] <Neo1> we can change it 775 and 664
[00:23] <littlekitty> @mutante it was the wrong password in the file. anyways I updated it now with passwd. that's probably the easier way in the end. thank you!
[00:23] <adrian_1908> Neo1: Yes we can, as Obama would say.
[00:23] <adrian_1908> Neo1: I think someone recommended unprivileged containers yesterday. They might actually make things easier for you in the long run, even if you have to learn even more now.
[00:24] <adrian_1908> https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/
[00:24] <Neo1> adrian_1908: see how they did on share hosting with one account?
[00:25] <Neo1> see on VPS appache user is www-data
[00:25] <brym> there's not much extra to learn for lxd/c. they're alot faster than vm's to manage as well. nice bonus
[00:25] <Neo1> if I do all folder owners www-data, then my plugins are installed correctly
[00:26] <Neo1> but my user neo can't get sftp access to site, because he is not owner now
[00:26] <littlekitty> I want to run a script everytime before the computer shuts down. is this (https://askubuntu.com/a/416301) still the way to do it? through /etc/rc6.d
[00:26] <Neo1> maybe will use group and change default permission.
[00:27] <adrian_1908> Neo1: Yes, I have no better answer either. 775 and create a group that "neo" and "www-data" are member of.
[00:28] <Neo1> adrian_1908: yes and google also says impossible create two owners, but it would be entrance...
[00:29] <adrian_1908> When working with Wordpress I struggled too. It seemed to me that a secure setup was hard to achieve while preserving update-ability from the CMS interface.
[00:30] <Neo1> better all set to 777
[00:31] <Neo1> )))
[00:31] <adrian_1908> :D
[00:32] <Neo1> adrian_1908: see for file doesn't matter what we install 774 or 664
[00:33] <Neo1> or no
[00:35] <adrian_1908> Neo1: If you just want it to work, you can do that. Files definitely don't need 7 though, just read+write.
[00:36] <adrian_1908> Neo1: Seriously consider an unprivileged container if you decide right permissions are too much of a pain. Inside such a container, even "root" isn't really root on the host.
[00:37] <Neo1> permissions doesn't changed
[00:38] <Neo1> my user neo is belonged
[00:38] <Neo1> www-data:x:33:root,neo
[00:39] <Neo1> but for folder I see only one group http://prntscr.com/hjn2vp
[00:40] <Neo1> neo:x:1000:www-data
[00:41] <Neo1> it's neo group: neo:x:1000:www-data
[00:41] <Neo1> it's www-data group: www-data:x:33:root,neo
[00:41] <Neo1> it's file neo:neo http://prntscr.com/hjn3fq
[00:41] <Neo1> Why there only one group I see?
[00:41] <Neo1> if neo is belonged to www-data?
[00:42] <adrian_1908> No idea man, I'm not familiar with that web interface so I can't help you. I doubt you need that to run Wordpress.
[00:51] <Neo1> after I added user I need something restart?
[01:20] <Sven_vB> aptitude just installed kernel 3.13.0-135-generic on my VPS, so I rebooted in attempt to use it but uname -r still reports "3.13.0-042stab124.2". should it have updated? or is it using the host system's kernel and the guest wouldn't even need any "generic" kernel?
[01:21] <Neo1> I did this
[01:21] <Neo1> sudo chmod www-data:www-data /var/www -R
[01:21] <Neo1> and this is work
[01:21] <Neo1> When I do
[01:21] <Neo1> sudo chmod root:www-data /var/www -R
[01:21] <Neo1> sudo chmod 777 /var/www -R
[01:21] <Neo1> I can't install plugins without input sftp access?
[01:23] <Neo1> I get this window http://prntscr.com/hjng0j When www-data isn't owner
[01:25] <brym> are ftp and sftp the only connection options?
[01:28] <Neo1> brym: it should work without that window
[01:29] <brym> silly question, do you have an ftp server set up?
[01:30] <Neo1> yes
[01:30] <Neo1> but I dont' need it
[01:31] <Neo1> apache should load plugin from internet and put it to directory without anything
[01:31] <Neo1> when I do www-data owner of files it works perfect
[01:31] <Neo1> when I do www-data as group and do for folder g+wrx it's doesn't work
[01:32] <brym> except where the software says you do. have you tried simply entering your ftp details?
[01:33] <Neo1> I don't need it
[01:34] <Neo1> wont' trying it even
[01:34] <Neo1> before I tried it, it works
[01:34] <Neo1> its called wrong customized server
[01:37] <Neo1> brym: see there all 777 http://prntscr.com/hjnk6c
[01:38] <Neo1> and all belong to www-data
[01:38] <Neo1> www-data is apache
[01:38] <Neo1> it can xwr but I see nothing happens, Only when www-data owner everything start work
[02:42] <Miniboxer> Hello, i just installed ubuntu 16.04 LTS and every time i launch it it asks me to login and then it only has a desktop and a mouse. I looked this problem up and they say to use crtl = alt + f1 to change to use console but that doesnt work for me. What should i do?
[02:44] <jrp93> Miniboxer, need to run that before you login i think
[02:44] <Miniboxer> Okay, ill try that now
[02:44] <jrp93> otherwise hold shift at grub to boot into recovery mode
[02:45] <Miniboxer> It doesnt stop at grub for me, i turn the computer it shows bios and then launches ubuntu automatically
[02:46] <jrp93> weird
[02:46] <Miniboxer> okay im in the console, i think the problem is my graphics drivers so im goinng to try and install the offical drivers
[02:46] <jrp93> well ctrl+alt+f1 should work
[02:47] <jrp93> is the gpu new
[02:48] <Miniboxer> I think so, all when installing i saw problems with nouvea
[02:48] <Miniboxer> or whatever the free nvidia drivers are called
[02:49] <jrp93> 1070 ti?
[02:49] <Miniboxer> its a laptop gpu
[02:49] <jrp93> oh ok
[02:49] <Miniboxer> geforce gtx 980m
[02:49] <Miniboxer> i think its the newest laptop gpu
[02:49] <Miniboxer> not 100% sure though
[02:50] <jrp93> if it's 900 series i doubt it
[02:50] <jrp93> i don't know much about laptop gpus though
[02:51] <jrp93> er 9 series
[02:51] <jrp93> *
[02:53] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: jrp93 : Worth a try to install the proprietary driver for nvidia . Miniboxer : pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' so we know what we are working with .
[02:54] <Miniboxer> im currently installing the proprietary driver
[02:55] <toothe> Anyone here utilize Systemtap?
[02:55] <jrp93> yeah it's worth a try. i was asking because if it's a vega card or something brand new you may want to try the linux-libre kernel
[02:56] <Miniboxer> i used "sudo apt search nvidia" looked for the newest version and then used "sudo apt install nvidia-opencl0icd-387"
[02:56] <jrp93> i don't think that's what you want
[02:56] <Miniboxer> oh
[02:56] <jrp93> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[02:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-387 xenial | Miniboxer
[02:57] <jrp93> sudo apt update
[02:57] <jrp93> sudo apt install -y nvidia-384 nvidia-libopencl1-384 nvidia-opencl-icd-384
[02:57] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-384 xenial | Miniboxer
[02:57] <mindboggled> is there currently in existence any worse OS ( not a distro but an OS ) worse than kubuntu ? There certainly seems none more obnoxious and anti-human by design.
[02:57] <Miniboxer> then what am i installing? lol
[02:58] <jrp93> switch 7 for 4 in there actually
[02:58] <mindboggled> kubuntu is a mindboggling atrocity of an OS
[02:58] <jrp93> my b
[02:59] <jrp93> people rave about kde but i don't get it personally
[02:59] <mindboggled> is there an escape without losing KDE?
[02:59] <Miniboxer> all of the packages its retrieving are from the ubuntu archive and ppa.launchpad.net
[03:00] <jrp93> add that ppa
[03:00] <Miniboxer> i did that before when i was following a guide
[03:00] <jrp93> ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[03:00] <jrp93> oh k
[03:00] <Miniboxer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[03:00] <Miniboxer> sudo apt update
[03:00] <Miniboxer> i did those
[03:00] <jrp93> you need nvidia-387
[03:00] <jrp93> not the opencl thing
[03:00] <Miniboxer> oh i thought they were the same thing
[03:00] <jrp93> pref. both
[03:01] <jrp93> sudo apt install -y nvidia-387 nvidia-libopencl1-387 nvidia-opencl-icd-387
[03:01] <Miniboxer> so i did the last one ill do the other two as well
[03:01] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: Disable secure noot in bios and run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt purge nvidia* ; sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . :)
[03:02] <mindboggled> kubuntu is on par with Amazon's Kindle "tablet" in quality....feels the same - as if it was produced under an enormous deadline pressure in a corporote whorehouse with minimal expenditures.
[03:02] <Bashing-om> Nik05: secure boot*
[03:02] <Miniboxer> Ive never acutally seen secure boot in my bios which is weird af
[03:02] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: secure boot*
[03:03] <Miniboxer> so i shouldnt do "sudo apt install -y nvidia-387 nvidia-libopencl1-387"?
[03:03] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: secure noot only applicable for later machines with EFI main board .
[03:03] <Miniboxer> My laptop is extremely new
[03:04] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: no .. the system will choose the better driver for you and all the needed support files .
[03:04] <Miniboxer> okay let me go to my bios and do what you said
[03:05] <mindboggled> revolting piece of sewage
[03:05] <jrp93> wouldn't it just not boot if secure boot were the problem
[03:06] <Miniboxer> bootup numlock state isnt it right?
[03:06] <jrp93> it's probably in a submenu
[03:06] <Bashing-om> jrp93: well the thing is that nvidia drivers are 3rd party .. and will not install if secure boot is not disabled .
[03:06] <Miniboxer> It was so fucking hidden
[03:06] <Miniboxer> why is it so hidden
[03:06] <Miniboxer> LOL
[03:07] <jrp93> wow really. interesting
[03:07] <Miniboxer> Its not even enabled
[03:07] <Miniboxer> so whatever
[03:08] <Miniboxer> I have a really nice gui bios
[03:08] <jrp93> does the mouse work
[03:08] <Miniboxer> yeah
[03:08] <jrp93> i always liked that
[03:09] <Miniboxer> I got this laptop in sale during cyber monday, its an evga sc17
[03:09] <Miniboxer> its really nice
[03:10] <jrp93> why do you want ubuntu on a gaming laptop? :p
[03:10] <Miniboxer> because im not using it for gaming
[03:10] <Miniboxer> its my programming laptop that ill be taking to college
[03:10] <jrp93> fair enough !
[03:11] <Miniboxer> i have my desktop i built which runs videogames a lot nicer than it anyway
[03:11] <jrp93> did the proprietary drivers fix it ?
[03:11] <Miniboxer> gimme a sec im typing in the command right now
[03:12] <Miniboxer> i have so many things to upgrade
[03:12] <Miniboxer> since this is a fresh install
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: Fresh install . ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' may serve the better .. to pull on the latest kernel .
[03:14] <Miniboxer> ill do that after it finishes normal upgrade
[03:15] <Miniboxer> is there a guide i can read on the console for ubuntu
[03:16] <Miniboxer> Im gonna use ubuntu to try and learn linux to a decent extent and try to jump to something like arch linux
[03:16] <jrp93> best to just learn over time
[03:17] <Miniboxer> from what ive heard about ubuntu its set up so you dont have to use the console very much
[03:18] <Miniboxer> but i want to try and do most things from the console to get better at using a console overall
[03:20] <Miniboxer> sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf didnt do anything
[03:20] <Miniboxer> nvm
[03:20] <Miniboxer> i typed it in wrong
[03:22] <Miniboxer> ay lmao it works
[03:22] <Miniboxer> thank you friends for everything :)
[03:24] <Bashing-om> !manual | Miniboxer
[03:25] <jrp93> Miniboxer, use tab to autocomplete
[03:25] <Miniboxer> autocomplete?
[03:26] <Bashing-om> !tab | Miniboxer
[03:26] <jrp93> yeah like /etc/X <tab> will autocomplete to /etc/X11 if that's the only dir
[03:26] <jrp93> starting with an X
[03:26] <Miniboxer> oh
[03:26] <Miniboxer> thats extremely useful
[03:26] <jrp93> hit tab again and it will list dirs
[03:26] <jrp93> or files
[03:28] <Miniboxer> the command to auto-install drivers would get drivers for my bluetooth also right?
[03:29] <Miniboxer> it doesnt specify graphics drivers so it would be all drivers correct?
[03:30] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: Correct .
[03:31] <Bashing-om> Miniboxer: BCM and other proprietary drivers are another horse color though .
[03:35] <Neo1> why when I changed in this file
[03:35] <Neo1> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[03:35] <Neo1> path form /var/sftp to /var/www I can't get this directory
[03:35] <Neo1> http://dpaste.com/1TB66AT
[03:35] <Neo1> ???
[03:36] <Neo1> directories has equal owner and permissions root:root and 755
[03:38] <jrp93> What happens if you make /var/www 700
[03:39] <Neo1> on /var/www was not 755 rights
[03:39] <Alpha-Omega> Quick question, any reason multibootusb isn't in the Ubuntu repos?  Apache doesn't work as need...
[03:40] <Neo1> ssh can't customize
[03:47] <Neo1> jrp93: see when we add ssh access ChrootDirectory should have 755 permission
[03:48] <Neo1> Who know what means s in permission?
[03:48] <Neo1> drwxr-sr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec  6 00:59 test.american-chat.ru
[03:48] <Neo1> r-s what is it?
[03:50] <Mr_Cyclops> 's' means the SetUID bit is set for that file/binary
[03:51] <Mr_Cyclops> That means if a user "john" executes a file with set uid bit set, and the file is owned by "peter", the file is executed as if it was invoked by "peter" and not "john"
[03:52] <hggdh> actually, the 's' shown is for group id
[03:53] <Mr_Cyclops> most common example is the executable file "passwd". It has the Set UID bit set, that means when a non root user runs the passwd program, the passwd program modifies /etc/passwd (perms 644), although the user does not have specific permission to modify /etc/passwd
[03:53] <Mr_Cyclops> Then that is for the GID bit set
[03:53] <lordcirth> Neo1, https://linuxjourney.com/lesson/file-permissions
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> any files/directories created under that directory (group bit applies on directories only), will have the default ownership as it parents'
[03:54] <Mr_Cyclops> hggdh, you can dig in more by reading the man page of 'ls' command (man ls)
[04:23] <dentist> hey guys. if I'm getting ubuntu now (i'm a data scientist developer (wannabe)), what should I get: 16.04 lts or 17.10?
[04:27] <Toadisattva> I'm rocking 16.04 till 18.04 comes out
[04:28] <_28Kb> 16.04 as it is LTS
[04:28] <Toadisattva> whenever I use a non lts version things don't work so well
[04:29] <_28Kb> you want to implant data in tooth :)
[04:29] <_28Kb> and then, bite this - bite that :)
[04:30] <_28Kb> !chmod
[04:32] <Miniboxer> Hello, i am trying to run a program with the terminal how do i specifiy where the program is
[04:32] <_28Kb> why when I "chmod -R 777 *" in a folder containing 15GB get prompted for next command after less of a second? that's not expected, right?
[04:33] <_28Kb> installed program don't require path in ubuntu I think
[04:34] <Mr_Cyclops> Toadisattva, true that, however 17.10 changed that opinion of mine :)
[04:34] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, check the output of echo $PATH
[04:34] <Toadisattva> it's only been out a couple months, is pretty stble?
[04:35] <Toadisattva> well that just means it'll be a good foundation for them to build 18.04 on
[04:35] <Mr_Cyclops> thats your PATH variable, and defines all directories with binaries that the system will automatically look for to find/run your command
[04:35] <_28Kb> is unity interface still in 17.04?
[04:35] <Toadisattva> they ousted unity didn't they?
[04:35] <_28Kb> i think they did, but not sure
[04:35] <Toadisattva> I got 17.04 when they first released it and couldn't run anything I wanted to on it, so I went back to 16.04
[04:35] <Mr_Cyclops> Toadisattva, i switched all of my computers (2 Thinkpads, 1 iMac, 1 old desktop) to 17.10 and it's just rock solid, as good as an LTS, and every application I use on my systems are working like a charm
[04:36] <Miniboxer> Mr_Cyclops, I typed "/Desktop/Assembly/exit_program_stuff/exit"
[04:36] <Toadisattva> that's promising
[04:36] <Mr_Cyclops> Whats the name of your binary Miniboxer ?
[04:36] <Toadisattva> I think with the 17.04 it was just the early adopter thing, didn't give them time to get the repos updated and work out the bugs
[04:36] <Miniboxer> is there another way to represent spaces in a terminal
[04:36] <Miniboxer> the name is exit
[04:37] <Neo1> I've removed that s using sudo chmod g-s /var/www -R
[04:37] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, yes, either do a "escape sequence" that is if your name is John Doe, then type as John\ Doe
[04:37] <Mr_Cyclops> or simply enclose all stuff in double quotes or single quotes
[04:37] <Neo1> I see ssh access we can only set if folder has 755, if 775 we can't reach folder
[04:37] <Mr_Cyclops> and what is the desired outcome of the program exit?
[04:38] <Miniboxer> to exit
[04:38] <Miniboxer> LOL
[04:38] <Mr_Cyclops> LOL
[04:38] <Mr_Cyclops> maybe you can share a screenshot via pastebin?
[04:38] <Miniboxer> sure lol
[04:38] <_28Kb> not funny
[04:38] <_28Kb> please explain :)
[04:38] <Neo1> it's not bad, we have all folder in root:root and we put our user in root group and set permission on inside folder 775 and everything works seems normally
[04:39] <Neo1> only this www-data doesn't work if we put it to root group
[04:39] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, its like I asked you what is the use of the brush in your bathroom, and you replied "to brush my teeth" :D Sure its funny, no? :)
[04:40] <_28Kb> okay
[04:40] <Neo1> I want put www-data to root group and allow apache execute files, but it doesn't work
[04:40] <Mr_Cyclops> Neo1, maybe you can change the ownership of your web-files as www-data:root
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: there's also the #httpd channel if you like
[04:40] <Miniboxer> Mr_Cyclops, https://pastebin.com/yLB0sEy6
[04:40] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, thanks, let me have a look
[04:41] <Mr_Cyclops> lotuspsychje, thanks :) man so many channels
[04:41] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: yes I have it, will ask there http://prntscr.com/hjovy5
[04:42] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, well well well that's an ASM code, I did that back in college days, and nowadays I only do shell scripts. Also that doesnt qualify your question for this forum, wish I could help :)
[04:42] <Mr_Cyclops> but what I can tell from my programming experience, it's a code issue :D
[04:42] <Miniboxer> What no the program works fine
[04:43] <Miniboxer> my question was about
[04:43] <Miniboxer> how to run it even though its in 3 folders
[04:43] <Miniboxer> if its in my home dir i can do ./exit and it will run
[04:43] <Mr_Cyclops> just type the absolute path of the program
[04:43] <Mr_Cyclops> and ensure that it has the executable permission set
[04:43] <Mr_Cyclops> thats Unix/Linux 1-1
[04:43] <Miniboxer> Im trying to figure out the path lo
[04:43] <Miniboxer> Im very new to linux
[04:44] <Mr_Cyclops> oh hey .... Just checked again what you typed above
[04:44] <Mr_Cyclops> why did you put a "/" and then Desktop?
[04:44] <Miniboxer> idk what im doing lol
[04:44] <Mr_Cyclops> if you are in your home directory, then you should do "Desktop/Assembly/exit_program_stuff/exit"
[04:44] <Miniboxer> perfect
[04:44] <Mr_Cyclops> without the / at the beginning, that ruins the absolute path
[04:44] <Miniboxer> i have much to learn
[04:45] <Mr_Cyclops> Who doesn't? :)
[04:45] <Miniboxer> true true
[04:46] <_28Kb> my steam app apparently do not have access to location where files from server are stored... couldn't fix it using chmod
[04:46] <Miniboxer> How do i know where i am
[04:46] <Mr_Cyclops> pwd
[04:46] <Miniboxer> im in home/user
[04:46] <Mr_Cyclops> no, you are in /home/user
[04:46] <Miniboxer> how do i go to just home
[04:46] <_28Kb> still shows "read only" for "others"
[04:46] <Miniboxer> wait yeah /home/user
[04:47] <Mr_Cyclops> just type "cd" without the quotes and then type "pwd" without the quotes and give me the output
[04:47] <Mr_Cyclops> simply typing cd takes you to your home directory
[04:47] <Mr_Cyclops> another way of knowing whats your home directory is echo $HOME
[04:47] <Miniboxer> "/home/user"
[04:48] <Mr_Cyclops> great, now, give me the output of ls -l Desktop/Assembly/exit_program_stuff/exit
[04:48] <Miniboxer> thats what it said
[04:48] <javashin> hello
[04:48] <javashin> i have a problem here
[04:48] <javashin> with
[04:48] <javashin> Lenovo-ideapad-100S-14IBR
[04:48] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, what is the permission/ownership of your direcory that has the files from server?
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> javashin: ask your issue all in one line please
[04:48] <javashin> the microsd card reader wont work
[04:48] <Mr_Cyclops> and does the steam app have its own user?
[04:49] <javashin> works on windows 10
[04:49] <javashin> any help
[04:49] <_28Kb> how do I list that in console?
[04:49] <Miniboxer> "cannot access 'Desktop/Assembly/exit_program_stuff/exit': No such file or directory"
[04:49] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, ok, and you say you can see the exit file/program on your desktop? (GUI interface) ?
[04:50] <Miniboxer> Yeah
[04:50] <Mr_Cyclops> do this, ls -lR Desktop/Assembly
[04:51] <Miniboxer> it says all of its there, 4 files and even lists the folder exit program stuff and exit.s exit.o and exit
[04:51] <_28Kb> ls: cannot access '~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Counter-Strike Global Offensive/csgo$': No such file or directory
[04:51] <Mr_Cyclops> hmm, so give me the output of ls -lR Desktop/Assembly | grep exit
[04:52] <Miniboxer> should i paste bin it?
[04:52] <Mr_Cyclops> sure
[04:52] <Miniboxer> also type in grep exit seperatly?
[04:52] <Mr_Cyclops> its all in 1 line, thats called command piping
[04:53] <javashin> ?
[04:53] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, well doesnt look like a permission issue, maybe the file doest exist at all in the first place
[04:54] <Mr_Cyclops> javashin, do you know what is the make/model of your microSD card? if yes, see if it shows in the output of lsusb
[04:54] <Miniboxer> https://pastebin.com/Lw2JWgCZ
[04:54] <_28Kb> ok, got it... pasted $ by mistake
[04:55] <_28Kb> can I paste or pastebin?
[04:55] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, aha, so your complete path for the filename has a space, which  you replaced by a _ which obviously wont work
[04:55] <_28Kb> as it's few lines
[04:55] <Mr_Cyclops> so. now try this
[04:55] <Miniboxer> ....
[04:55] <Miniboxer> i thought spaces were _
[04:55] <Mr_Cyclops> ls -l Desktop/Assembly/exit\ program\ stuff/exit
[04:56] <Mr_Cyclops> alternatively, try ls -l "Desktop/Assembly/exit program stuff/exit"
[04:56] <Mr_Cyclops> if spaces were underscores, then ..... ha ha? :)
[04:56] <Mr_Cyclops> spaces and underscores are two absolutely different characters on any keyboard or regional language code or ASCII code for that matter
[04:57] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, sure, pastebinit is always the preferred method of sharing multi-line outputs for this channel
[04:57] <Miniboxer> if i use back slashes it recognizes it
[04:57] <Miniboxer> thank you so much
[04:57] <_28Kb> !pastebinit
[04:57] <Mr_Cyclops> yeah, like I said before, if you have spaces, then use \ followed by a space to escape the character sequence, or just use quotes
[04:58] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, enjoy your "exit" ! :P
[04:58] <Mr_Cyclops> Glad I could help
[04:58] <Miniboxer> Lol thanks
[04:59] <_28Kb> my mind breaks at / and \ in your conversation
[05:00] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, when you start using sed with pipes or with -e, your mind will literally reach another level!
[05:00] <_28Kb> :)
[05:00] <javashin_> hello
[05:00] <Mr_Cyclops> \  and / are just the beginning of the Unix Spacial World :)
[05:00] <javashin_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/939410/lenovo-100s-14ibr-microsd-doesnt-show same problem here how i fix this ?
[05:01] <Miniboxer> Im learning assembly so im gonna know about that
[05:01] <_28Kb> i'm more GUI dude
[05:01] <Miniboxer> assembly on unix system
[05:01] <Mr_Cyclops> Miniboxer, yeah well thats just how the Unix/Linux platform works, so the more you get used to it, the faster you will get with your productivity
[05:02] <_28Kb> got terminal hang using pastebinit
[05:02] <Miniboxer> yeah
[05:02] <Mr_Cyclops> _28Kb, Ok, but then no matter what the world says, once you Hit a Linux system, I'd say you should get versed with some basic stuff, always helpful :)
[05:02] <javashin_> hello i do not want to use windows
[05:03] <javashin_> how can i make my microsd card reader work in ubuntu ?
[05:03] <Toadisattva> terminal def better in most cases
[05:04] <Toadisattva> can unzip a whole folder of files in terminal in less time than it takes archive manager to read the folder
[05:04] <Toadisattva> lol
[05:04] <_28Kb> there's too many files... this lists all files in specified folder? ls -lR
[05:04] <_28Kb> or should I hit a file?
[05:05] <Mr_Cyclops> Time to sleep ...... gn folks
[05:06] <Miniboxer> gn friend
[05:08] <_28Kb> -rwsrwsrwt
[05:41] <lamduh> if a repo says I need x dev headers what packages do I need exactly?
[05:41] <lamduh> also my xubuntu distory doesnt appear to be able to find fribidi
[05:43] <lamduh> nvm found libfribidi...stilldon'tknow about x dev headers
[05:47] <NerdyPepper> Hey!
[05:51] <sartan> heya! is it possible to track the output of a gui installer (record steps) to build a preseed file for unattended installs?  Trying to figure out the cli syntax is a little bit like voodoo
[05:52] <t0no6a> sartan what about screen recorded?
[05:53] <sartan> so, specifically i want to learn the syntax of the kickstart preeseed for a complciated partition layout, and trying to decod e'd-i partman/confirm device_remove_lvm etc is pretty difficult when I don't know what the internal reference for each little ui dropdown is
[05:54] <sartan> k
[06:05] <ylwghst> How can I use lightdm instead of GDM in 17.10?
[06:12] <pirx> hello! getting a few Err http://se.archive.ubuntu.com lucid-backports/main Sources
[06:12] <pirx>   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[06:12] <pirx> when trying to upgrade a 14.04 server
[06:13] <pirx> already tried stuff like this: https://smyl.es/how-to-fix-ubuntudebian-apt-get-404-not-found-package-repository-errors-saucy-raring-quantal-oneiric-natty/
[06:13] <pirx> but that just resulted in even more 404s
[06:13] <pirx> any suggestions?
[06:13] <pirx> (i want to upgrade to 16.04)
[06:32] <Neo> no Neo1
[06:33] <Neo1> what?
[06:33] <Neo> neo does not belong to www-data, neo only belongs to root
[06:33] <Neo> ;)
[06:34] <sartan> i think i found a few helpful packages, but it's going to take me a whole day to grok this
[06:35] <alkisg> pirx: lucid is not 14.04. Lucid is 10.04, so that entry is definately wrong there, remove it.
[06:39] <Neo1> Neo: where?
[06:40] <Neo1> Neo: see this is work
[06:40] <Neo1> sudo chown www-data:www-data /var/www -R
[06:41] <Neo1> Neo: I open wordpress and load plugins without asking credentials
[06:42] <Neo1> Neo: this doesn't work
[06:42] <Neo1> sudo chown root:www-data /var/www -R
[06:42] <Neo1> sudo chmod 777 /var/www -R
[06:42] <Neo1> Why?
[06:43] <Neo1> www-data is in group and permission set up on 777, and I'm asked input credentials
[06:43] <Neo1> who know why www-data doesn't work if it belong to group with rights 777 ????
[06:44] <Neo1> problems is something others, 777 doesn't help, 777 means all can reach my site, but www-data can't, why?
[06:46] <Neo1> I've got this http://prntscr.com/hjpq9q
[06:46] <Neo1> everything set up right
[06:47] <Neo1> root : www-data
[06:47] <Neo1> right 777
[06:47] <Neo> www-data can, www-data is just your webserver
[06:47] <Neo> Neo1: you might be better off in #wordpress
[06:48] <Neo1> Neo: it's not ask if www-data is owner?
[06:48] <Neo1> why wordpress doesn't ask me when www-data is owner and asked when I put 777 rights?
[06:48] <Neo1> 777 all users can reach my folder without questions
[06:48] <BlackDalek> Trying to get this hard blocked wifi card to work in ubuntu. I've exhausted all methods to enable the card except the "masking off pin 13" method. But I can't figure out which pin is pin 13. This website confuses matters by having diagrams which make no sense. http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/MiniPCI Can anyone make sense of the pin numbering? Why have they started counting the pins from 1 pin left of the key
[06:48] <BlackDalek> when there are actually 16 pin left of the key? IS it normal to count pin 17 as pin 1 on a MINI PCI wifi card?
[06:48] <Neo> that's correct
[06:48] <Neo> and really insecure
[06:49] <Neo1> I deliberately put 777
[06:49] <Neo1> Neo: but it's not working
[06:49] <Neo1> any variants doesn't work beside when www-data is owner
[06:50] <Neo> that sounds like a wordpress issue
[06:50] <Neo1> Neo: I think?
[06:50] <Neo> not a permissions issue
[06:50] <Neo> if it's not reading a folder when it's not owned by www-data, then there's a software issue involved
[06:51] <Neo1> Neo: do you think wordpress check owner of folder and if owner isn't www-data he offer put real owner?
[06:51] <Neo> wordpress is checking the owner of the files but no it doesn't have permissions to change the owner
[06:52] <Neo> www-data is motly unprivileged
[06:52] <Neo1> Neo: ok, will gogole now and trying solved it, really suddenly it's wp. else I asked on digitalocean, suddenly somebody helped there
[06:52] <Neo> are you running wordpress on digitalocean?
[06:52] <Neo> wordpress is your software
[06:53] <Neo1> Neo: if I set 777, permissions don't have sense
[06:53] <alkisg> BlackDalek: is this on a laptop? Usually they are blocked by hardware keyboard combinations e.g. Fn+F8, check the blue symbols on top. Or, a hardware button at the front side of the laptop...
[06:53] <alkisg> BlackDalek: also, check from a windows installation, if you have one
[06:54] <BlackDalek> alkisg, no. Not a laptop. It's an Acer Aspire L3600 which is an odd small rectangular box with laptop parts inside (and no physical wifi switch).
[06:55] <alkisg> BlackDalek: do you have a windows installation handy?
[06:55] <alkisg> Before resorting to hardware solutions, check the software solutions first...
[06:55] <BlackDalek> alkisg, no. I have no windows of any kind.
[06:56] <alkisg> So it came preinstalled with linux? Then you can contact them for support
[06:56] <BlackDalek> alkisg, I have exhausted all software solutions. The machine came off ebay with no drive. The drive and ubuntu was installed by me
[06:57] <alkisg> BlackDalek: well from personal experience, if rfkill doesn't work and you have no hardware on/off switch, I would suggest installing windows to see if you can enable it from there, or contacting the manufacturer
[06:59] <ducasse> BlackDalek: ...or ask in ##hardware
[07:02] <Neo1> Neo: this is my problem and not solved
[07:02] <Neo1> https://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/108981/cannot-install-plugins-even-though-www-data-has-write-permissions
[07:06] <Neo1> Neo: bingo that is work, it's solved, just doesn't highlight
[07:06] <Neo1> help define( 'FS_METHOD', 'direct' );
[07:06] <Neo1> you was right, it's wp issue
[07:07] <Neo1> I though my server is broken.... and going reinstall all
[07:07] <Neo1> were going*
[07:11] <cathode> hi, i've edited /etc/network/interfaces and added 'dns-nameservers <ip of first> <ip of second>' under my interface configuration, but after a reboot my resolv.conf is still only showing <IP_ADDRESS>
[07:12] <cathode> ubuntu server 17.04
[07:16] <alkisg> cathode: for server questions, try also #ubuntu-server
[07:16] <alkisg> This is mostly for desktop installations, which use network manager etc
[07:18] <cathode> ok
[07:25] <ducasse> cathode: can you pastebin the interfaces file for me? just obscure the ip if you need to.
[07:34] <Neo> yeah, welcome to the wonderful world of programming Neo1
[07:34] <pirx> alkisg: thanks!! solved it:) old crap:)
[07:35] <alkisg> pirx: you're welcome :)
[07:35] <Neo> or really system configuration
[07:37] <Neo1> who know is it correct structure for sites. I'm going to place a few sites on one digitalocean droplets.
[07:37] <Neo1> I'll use this structure,
[07:37] <Neo1> all my sites places in /var/www
[07:37] <Neo1> put there owner and group
[07:37] <Neo1> sudo chown root:root /var/www -R
[07:38] <Neo1> apache belong to root group
[07:38] <Neo1> sudo adduser www-data root
[07:39] <Neo1> s
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Neo1
[07:40] <Neo1> ok, I thought it's short post
[07:40] <Neo1> seems it's structure is not right, I won't work under root, it means owner should be my working user?
[07:40] <ducasse> Neo1: if it's more than two lines, use a pastebin
[07:41] <Neo1> ducasse: ok, what you think how organize structure?
[07:42] <Neo1> root can't be owner, I all will install using user with sudo group
[07:42] <ducasse> Neo1: leave /var/www owned by www-data
[07:43] <Neo1> ducasse: with all sites, yes and I'll be able to use default settings 755 , 644
[07:43] <Neo1> but sftp won't work?
[07:44] <Neo1> for sftp I need folder that belongs root and with rights 755, I can set it temporary...
[07:45] <Neo1> if owner is not root and not 755, user cant login using sftp
[07:47] <Neo1> better do all in root: root, set 775, and add to group root my user and www-data, and everything will be good...
[07:47] <Neo1> many variants it's bad :(
[07:49] <Neo1> ducasse: read this http://prntscr.com/hjqb72
[07:50] <Neo1> if I need sftp for determine folder I should have owner root only
[07:51] <Neo1> anyway this won't work correctly because rights with root must be 755, in our case it's impossible
[07:52] <Neo1> for sftp we can change owner on on root, permission on 755 and than return back, will do www-data as owner
[07:54] <theskillwithin> http://newamericangazette.com/2011/01/top-20-richest-people-democrats/
[07:55] <ducasse> theskillwithin: no spam, please
[08:02] <mementomori> hi!
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> mementomori: welcome, what can we do for you?
[08:03] <mementomori> how can I add a new entry in the context menu when I right click on a file? I'm using 16.04
[08:03] <mementomori> I've found guides for nautilus but the file manager has a different name: 'File 3.14.3'
[08:05] <ducasse> which desktop are you using?
[08:05] <mementomori> ducasse, the default one. unyty I suppose
[08:05] <mementomori> unity
[08:08] <mementomori> should I use nautilus-actions?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> mementomori: what do you want to add where for what purpose?
[08:09] <ducasse> which ubuntu version?
[08:10] <mementomori> lotuspsychje, I've a program that takes a file for input and does its work. I'd like to have a menu's entry for being quicker
[08:10] <mementomori> 16.04
[08:11] <mementomori> ducasse, 16.04 lts
[08:11] <ducasse> try nautilus-actions
[08:11] <mementomori> ducasse, I'll try it. thank you
[08:12] <ducasse> 'files' = nautilus, it's just what the gnome people call it
[08:13] <ylwghst> How can I start gnome wayland session from lightdm? 17.10
[08:14] <ducasse> mementomori: might also want to try nautilus-scripts-manager, i'm not familiar with nautilus myself
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: you installed unity on 17.10?
[08:14] <mementomori> ducasse, changing a program name without a good reason doesn't  look a great idea...
[08:14] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: nope
[08:14] <ducasse> mementomori: if you want a really extensible file manager, try spacefm
[08:14] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: only lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter
[08:14] <mementomori> ducasse, no thank. I'm fine with it
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: logout and choose gnome(wayland)
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: wayland should be default on 17.10
[08:15] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, gdm is
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: with what purpose did you install lightdm exactly?
[08:16] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: this doesn't work with lightdm
[08:16] <ducasse> dunno if lightdm handles the wayland session
[08:16] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: the ubuntu default sessions is still there but it starts with Xorg
[08:17] <ylwghst> ducasse: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LightDM/
[08:17] <ylwghst> ducasse: it can start wayland session
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: its because you dont like gdm?
[08:18] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: yes for several reasons and lightdm works better on my system
[08:18] <ducasse> ylwghst: ok, i wasn't sure of that
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> ylwghst: you see a gear icon you can switch? only xorg showing?
[08:19] <ducasse> have you run the wayland session before, while you had gdm?
[08:19] <alkisg> mementomori: if you don't find where to put the script for the right click action to appear, ping me, I've done it in the past in nautilus but now I'm using mate with caja so the location is different
[08:25] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: As I said the default sessions is stil ubuntu (a default session)
[08:25] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/b96629f2647c05adce35c1c883834594
[08:29] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: do you run gnome on wayland?
[08:29] <ylwghst> with GDM?
[08:30] <ylwghst> lotuspsychje: can you gist me this file https://gist.github.com/anonymous/80a993b8f18e241f6f63e862ff60bf28
[08:30] <ylwghst> ?
[08:41] <ducasse> ylwghst: whether or not wayland ever _has_ worked is kind of an essential bit of info...
[08:41] <acosonic> Can anyone help me get rid of this garbage caracters in console?
[08:41] <acosonic> http://storage5.static.itmages.com/i/17/1206/h_1512549664_2362110_444b7d8af7.png
[08:41] <acosonic> or at last identify problem
[08:42] <ylwghst> ducasse: are running gnome on wayland?
[08:42] <ylwghst> are u
[08:43] <ylwghst> BRB
[08:43] <ylwghst> im gonna try something
[08:46] <geirha> acosonic: what does ''locale'' say?
[08:48] <geirha> acosonic: and if you run    LC_ALL=C LANGUAGE=en ls -lh   do you still see the weird symbols?
[08:49] <acosonic> geirha: nope when I run it it's fine
[08:49] <acosonic> locale says mixed en_utf and serbian something
[08:49] <acosonic> I will add it to my bashrc or profile
[08:49] <geirha> Then it's either an encoding problem; your locale using utf-8, but your terminal emulator using a different encoding
[08:50] <geirha> or the translations for ls in your language is broken for some reason
[08:50] <geirha> acosonic: it's not a solution, only a means to diagnose the problem
[08:52] <ducasse> acosonic: have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'?
[08:54] <acosonic> yes, but it does not change
[08:54] <acosonic> this is my locale output
[08:55] <acosonic> https://gist.github.com/acosonic/0720114db44299bc90b1e32d5fd07890
[09:10] <alexas> the system say dpkg is used when I don't see where it is used, how can I diagnose?
[09:10] <alexas> am installing packages, trying to.
[09:11] <alkisg> alexas: it's usually the unattended upgrades thing
[09:11] <alkisg> Run software-properties-gtk, and put it to "prompt" instead of "auto install"
[09:11] <explo> alexas: "ps aux | grep dpkg" shows anything?
[09:11] <alexas> alkisg: I will wait perhaps there are some important updates, am on slow connection that is why
[09:12] <alexas> explo: yes it is
[09:12] <explo> k
[09:12] <alexas> okay so it working on something
[09:12] <alexas> thanks guys
[09:12] <alexas> I just afraid that it was freezed somewhere that's why am asking.
[09:19] <acosonic> hm I changed everything to us
[09:19] <acosonic> now console won't start terminal...
[09:20] <alkisg> acosonic: press alt+f2, and type xterm there
[09:20] <alkisg> Or alt+ctrl+t
[09:22] <alkisg> Then upload your lang environment, env | grep ^L | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:22] <acosonic> xterm says command not found
[09:23] <alkisg> Which desktop environment and which ubuntu version is that?
[09:23] <acosonic> ctrl alt t works
[09:23] <acosonic> gnome 16.04 I think
[09:23] <alkisg> OK, run this:  env | grep ^L | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:23] <acosonic> http://termbin.com/qjcg
[09:25] <alkisg> acosonic: this is wrong. How did you set that?
[09:26] <acosonic> alkisg: manually I edited /etc/default/locale
[09:26] <alkisg> Proper locales have the form en_US.UTF-8, noten_US
[09:26] <alkisg> Ouch
[09:26] <acosonic> hm, how do I fix it?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> !locales
[09:27] <alkisg> acosonic: ...I'm not sure if update-locales will preserve your bad locale. So edit that file again, and put it like this: en_US.UTF-8
[09:27] <alkisg> Then, run: gnome-language-selector
[09:27] <alkisg> If prompted to install additional packages for your locales support, install them
[09:27] <alkisg> Finally, drag the locale you prefer so that it is first on the list
[09:29] <acosonic> ok, I'll reboot now
[10:00] <Falc> On a fresh 16.04 server install, my changes to /etc/network/interfaces are being ignored, it seems to want to keep its DHCP address. Any ideas?
[10:08] <LTCD> Hello. I want to make a public and private key pair for PGP and after for SSH. I used Passwords and Encryption Keys on Ubuntu. I can see how to export the private key, but how do I export the public key to give to my friends etc...? I'm shocked this is such a drama :/.
[10:09] <ducasse> LTCD: doing crypto right is *hard*
[10:09] <LTCD> ducasse Ignore me when I haven't had enough coffee sorry :P. But seriously, how do I export the public key?
[10:10] <AshIndigo> email, paste website, usb with a text file?
[10:11] <ducasse> LTCD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[10:12] <LTCD> AshIndigo Yes I want to do that with the public key but how do I export it?
[10:13] <AshIndigo> cp or mv the file over to a usb? (presuming theres no DE)
[10:13] <AshIndigo> you could use termbin too to upload the file
[10:13] <alkisg> LTCD: select the key and go to file export
[10:14] <alkisg> Or edit copy, and paste it elsewhere as text without files
[10:14] <LTCD> sudo apt-get install gpa gnupg2  <--- Then sudo gpa
[10:15] <alkisg> LTCD: I mean, using the File menu from the Passwords and Encryption Keys program (called seahorse)
[10:15] <ducasse> LTCD: the link above gives you the command to export an ascii-armoured copy, which is most likely what you want
[10:15] <LTCD> alkisg Passwords and Encryption Keys only allows you to export private key not public. I have solved it now with gpa.
[10:15] <alkisg> LTCD, that's not true
[10:15] <alkisg> You just used right click instead of going to the file menu
[10:15] <LTCD> alkisg Oh man sorry
[10:16] <alkisg> :)
[10:16] <LTCD> I hate Ubuntu when it hides menus :/
[10:16] <alkisg> +1 there
[10:16] <alkisg> MATE ftw
[10:16] <LTCD> So sorry guys to waste time
[10:17] <LTCD> I have gone and changed to always display the menu bar that won't happen again.
[10:17] <LTCD> Damn embarrassed xD
[10:17] <funyun> hi. i'm trying to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but i get this error. https://pastebin.com/H87hwSdh anyone know how i can fix this?
[10:17] <alkisg> No worries, it's completely understandable, hidden menus suck
[10:17] <alkisg> funyun: run sudo apt-get update first
[10:20] <gluon> funyun: try sudo apt-key update
[10:20] <funyun> alkisg: https://pastebin.com/r7XDvnYa
[10:21] <gluon> and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade again
[10:21] <alkisg> funyun: ok, now run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:21] <alkisg> funyun: although you really need to upgrade to a supported version
[10:21] <alkisg> !vivid
[10:22] <alkisg> I.e. you'll want to run do-release-upgrade twice, to go to 15.10 and then to 16.04, which is an LTS (long term support) release
[10:22] <jluc> i've lost the ability to display the launcher when the mouse goes far left - i have to press SUPER key.
[10:22] <funyun> alkisg: so just do sudo do-release-upgrade twice?
[10:23] <alkisg> funyun: it's best to fix your sources first
[10:23] <jluc> How can i retrieve the launcher when mouse goes far left ?
[10:23] <alkisg> E.g. remove the ones that are invalid, finish with your current updates etc
[10:23] <Guest69176> any thoughts on arm laptops with Ubuntu? :D
[10:23] <funyun> alkisg: i've tried but i can't figure out the problem
[10:24] <alkisg> funyun: run software-properties-gtk
[10:24] <alkisg> Uncheck restricted and multiverse
[10:24] <alkisg> Remove download.mono-project.com
[10:25] <funyun> alkisg: i tried to intall software-properties-gtk but it cannot be authenticated either
[10:25] <alkisg> Which desktop environment are you using?
[10:25] <alkisg> !eolupgrade
[10:25] <funyun> it's a headless server
[10:26] <alkisg> OK, then follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[10:26] <gluon> funyun: didn't funyun: try sudo apt-key update help? notice that it's apt-key
[10:27] <funyun> gluon: none changed
[10:27] <gluon> okay
[10:27] <gluon> i'm out of ideas then, maybe do what alkisg said
[10:27] <funyun> can upgrading while the sources are buggy do damage?
[10:27] <alkisg> funyun: yes
[10:29] <alkisg> Old releases no longer exist in e.g. http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ so of course your apt-get update fails
[10:29] <alkisg> So you need to update your sources to point to old-releases etc
[10:29] <alkisg> Once you get your apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade working properly, THEN run do-release-upgrade
[10:30] <ducasse> funyun: probably faster to do a clean reinstall and move over data
[10:33] <funyun> does my sources.list look okay? https://pastebin.com/Fk7hfChD
[10:34] <alkisg> funyun: yes, but it needs to be updated, now it points to URLs that don't exist anymore. Also, update or remove your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[10:34] <Dani-hp> Hello, has anyone experience in installing qt 5.5 or newer on ubuntu 14?
[10:34] <Dani-hp> sadly packages are only avi. for 16.04. but not 14.04
[10:35] <funyun> alkisg: to update, do i change the word vivid to something else?
[10:36] <alkisg> No, you read the page I linked
[10:36] <alkisg> (12:26:06 μμ) alkisg: OK, then follow the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[10:36] <alkisg> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal. " ....
[10:43] <funyun> alkisg: all is working well now. thanks
[10:43] <alkisg> You're welcome
[11:18] <Falc> Okay, so I just installed xen on my server, and then I tried to activate a bridge. Server died immediately and cannot boot anymore... Anyone ever seen anything like that?
[11:23] <boxrick> How safe is a ZFS root partition?
[11:40] <trijntje> I have a bash script that needs root privileges. I want regular users to be able to execute the script without giving them root access. What is the best way to do this?
[11:41] <deem> trijntje: i would prefer sudoers.d
[11:43] <ducasse> boxrick: it's totally unsupported, so fully at your own risk. no assistance here if it breaks.
[11:43] <boxrick> I had a look and the whole thing is gross
[11:43] <boxrick> So I decided to leave it
[11:44] <boxrick> I need to move my /var partition over to ZFS post install now instead though.
[11:44] <boxrick> But that hopefully shouldn't be too hard
[11:45] <trijntje> deem: thanks, I'll add my config to /etc/sudoers.d
[11:49] <ducasse> Falc: most people in here use either kvm or vbox - i'd try #ubuntu-server
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:57] <brym> kvm'er here. lxd too.
[12:19] <BSaboia> hello everyone
[12:23] <BSaboia> I have a problem autostarting a bridge. here is my /etc/network/interfaces output: https://gist.github.com/brunosaboia/fc21c0c930e61a535c83c53630facde0 . on the comments you can find the output of $ systemctl status networking.service
[12:23] <BSaboia> any ideas?
[12:43] <leftyfb> BSaboia: did you install bridge-utils and is dummy0 a valid interface?
[12:57] <BSaboia> leftyfb, yes, I installed it. dummy0 does not exists, it is just a dummy value
[12:59] <BSaboia> leftyfb, see the second comment I just added. it is what I want to accomplish automatically
[13:00] <BSaboia> I can issue those commands just fine, and it works. right now, I have this at a init.d script, which solves my problem, but it's a dirty solution
[13:00] <leftyfb> BSaboia: your bridge interface needs a physical interface to bind to
[13:00] <leftyfb> change out your dummy0 for a real interface and it should work
[13:02] <BSaboia> leftyfb,  ok, let me try
[13:03] <BSaboia> leftyfb, same thing :(
[13:06] <ylwghst> Anyone here using lightdm on 17.10?
[13:08] <leftyfb> ylwghst: unless you're taking a survey, that's not your question
[13:08] <leftyfb> BSaboia: do you have an entry for your physical interface set in your interfaces file? You need to set it to manual as opposed to static or dhcp
[13:09] <leftyfb> BSaboia: It might be easier for you to reboot once you make the changes for it to take affect
[13:16] <ylwghst> leftyfb: well theres a serious problem with lightdm which so hard to debug i wonder if anyone can repro the same thing
[13:16] <ylwghst> which's
[13:17] <ylwghst> brb
[13:35] <NerdyPepper> Hey!
[13:37] <ducasse> ylwghst: is your connection unstable? you often part right about when people ask you questions...
[13:39] <fub> Hi. Using 17.10. How do I install libxcb? cant find it in the repositories
[13:40] <ducasse> fub: try 'apt show libxcb<tab><tab>'
[13:41] <fub> ducasse: yeah, I used this and there are .. a lot of packages
[13:42] <ducasse> fub: right, so you install the ones you need. libxcb1 is probably a good place to start.
[13:43] <alexas> I need to make some accesibility fautures for Ubuntu 17 for one of my older friends for example cursor larger and make all documents on dektop to be one by one mouse click
[13:44] <ylwghst> ducasse: sorry
[13:44] <alexas> what is the name of the menu/function under which I can find this settings
[13:44] <alexas> ?
[13:47] <ylwghst> ducasse: so what's going on? i cant find anything in log
[13:50] <daedeloth> is anyone using MST in ubuntu? (2 monitors over usb-c ?
[13:53] <fub> ducasse: problem is, "xcb-proto" is required
[13:53] <fub> cant find anything related to this
[13:54] <alexas> ho do I know which desktop environment I use gnome or unity? am on Ubuntu 17
[13:55] <daedeloth> hm after connecting / disconnecting daisy chained displayport monitors a few times it suddenly worked
[13:58] <ylwghst> BRB
[14:00] <fub> got it ;)
[14:09] <Exterminador> hello guys. I've Xubuntu installed (16.04). how do I update to the latest release?
[14:10] <Exterminador> found it. :(
[14:10] <Exterminador> *:)
[14:11] <fub> I installed some 3rd party drivers so I had to disable UEFI SecureBoot. Can I enable it now again or are the drivers then disabled again?
[14:13] <hateball> fub: like nvidia drivers?
[14:13] <fub> hateball: no, its an intel graphic card.
[14:13] <hateball> that should not require you to disable module verifying in the shim
[14:13] <fub> I installed virtualbox and the message came
[14:13] <fub> to disable it
[14:13] <hateball> right, so virtualbox modules then
[14:13] <fub> yeah
[14:14] <hateball> well no, you need the module verifying to be off, otherwise next boot they wont load
[14:14] <fub> so I have to keep it permanent off?
[14:14] <fub> thats not good, is it?
[14:15] <hateball> it's... unlikely to cause you any trouble
[14:15] <fub> ok
[14:15] <fub> so whats the primary usecase for this?
[14:15] <fub> for highly paranoid ppl?
[14:15] <hateball> :D
[14:15] <fub> only wanting official drivers
[14:16] <fub> isnt virtualbox able to sign their drivers?
[14:16] <Exterminador> erm. it only upgrade to 17.04. what I should enable and where to upgrade to 17.10 on Xubuntu?
[14:17] <hateball> fub: no because the modules are built with dkms (like nvidia for instance)
[14:17] <hateball> fub: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[14:18] <Exterminador> and does anyone know any android emulator to run in a laptop that don't have vt-x ?
[14:33] <Foloex> Hello world
[14:34] <Foloex> I have an issue in Ubuntu 16.04.3, I have compiled and installed ffmpeg with nvenc support
[14:34] <Foloex> I installed the built version with checkinstall and made sure beforehand that the repo's version was removed
[14:35] <Foloex> though sometimes when I launch ffmpeg it launches the previous version
[14:35] <Foloex> I have no idea why this old binary pops out instead of mine
[14:36] <Foloex> anyone has a clue on how this could happen ?
[14:40] <leftyfb> great. The latest intel wireless 7260 drivers released a few weeks ago have actually made things worse.
[14:42] <hateball> leftyfb: in what way? I use said chipset on 17.10
[14:43] <leftyfb> hateball: well, we had 2 or 3 robots out of 9 that would have the wifi driver crash just about daily. Last night I updated to the latest version of linux-firmware and now all but 2 (not the same 2) have had their wifi drivers crash
[14:43] <hateball> huh
[14:44] <hateball> leftyfb: nothing interesting in dmesg when the crash occurs?
[14:44] <leftyfb> hold on, I'll get errors in a bit. It's of course offline and trying to debug a bit before rebooting and grabbing logs
[14:45] <leftyfb> "Failed to load firmware chunk!" when trying to ifup wlan0
[14:45] <leftyfb> "Could not load the [0] uCode section"
[14:46] <hateball> ugh, I gotta run now. but can you see which firmware file it tries to load? could file a bug against that
[14:46] <leftyfb> 17.608620.0
[14:46] <leftyfb> this is successful: iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: loaded firmware version 17.608620.0 op_mode iwlmvm
[14:50] <codepython777> is there a wireless dongle that supports both 5.8Ghz and 2.4Ghz connections at the same time?
[14:52] <Mr_Pan> codepython777, https://www.lifewire.com/top-wi-fi-usb-adapters-2377825
[14:52] <codepython777> Mr_Pan: do they work with ubuntu
[14:53] <Mr_Pan> tp-link works fine
[14:54] <codepython777> Mr_Pan: t1u? I am looking for something which has decent range (Distance)
[14:54] <ducasse> nonsense. a lot of tp-link adapters use realtek chipsets, which are utter crap and known problematic with linux.
[15:00] <meldron> hey guys, does anybody know how i can unset kernel settings which are set in the dtb file?
[15:01] <codepython777> ducasse: thanks
[15:05] <Atiz> Hi! I have a kind request. Could the drivers for Corsair keyboards (ckb-next) please be added to the repos?
[15:06] <ducasse> Atiz: you should either ask the motu team, or try to get them added to debian so we get them in the next release.
[15:20] <Atiz> ducasse: How?
[15:25] <Atiz> ducasse: I'm fairly new to Linux.
[15:26] <Atiz> Is there an IRC-chat channel for the "motu" team?
[15:27] <Atiz> To be an official support channel for Ubuntu, I expected to have a hard time following everything being written from users all over the world. But there is no action in here. Is this the main support channel?
[15:28] <BluesKaj> it is
[15:30] <fub> Im using 17.10. Under gnome, all media keys (brightness, volume, etc.) worked. Now I am using i3wm (with xorg) and the keys do not work. I can see in "ps" that all gnome-settings-daemons (gsd-*) are running, so whats the problem here?
[15:33] <ducasse> !motu | Atiz
[15:33] <ducasse> Atiz: sorry, i was afk
[15:33] <maziar> I extended the my LVM hard disk, but I forgot to add it on /etc/fstab , now what should I do ?
[15:35] <Atiz> ducasse: No problem. Thanks!
[15:36] <ducasse> fub: i don't have the faintest idea if the gnome daemons receive those key presses under i3, what most users do is configure them in i3 directly
[15:37] <fub> ducasse: would be nice if I can get this running, because then I also have a visual feedback
[15:37] <fub> I had this running on ubuntu 16.04
[15:37] <fub> (but with xfce4-daemon)
[15:37] <fub> so I guess it is somehow possible to let gnome receive the keys
[15:38] <ducasse> fub: have you asked in #i3? someone else might have done this.
[15:38] <fub> yeah I did, waiting for an answer
[15:38] <ducasse> might take some time there
[15:38] <senaps> hi all, with ubuntu 17.10, is there a way to when using clt+TAB to switch between programs, i only loop through windows open in that specific workspace?
[15:44] <hydrogen> Hello, world.  Trying to edit a page on the wiki that has inaccurate information, but it’s showing up as an immutable page.  How should I proceed in getting it fixed?
[15:46] <leftyfb> hydrogen: try #ubuntu-wiki or #ubuntu-website. Assuming you're referring to the ubuntu wiki
[15:46] <hydrogen> thanks
[15:46] <genii> hydrogen: Login with something like your Launchpad credentials
[15:46] <genii> ..or UbuntuOne, etc
[15:47] <hydrogen> Yeah, I’m logged in.  It’s showing as an immutable page
[15:47] <hydrogen> Where I assume the edit button should be
[15:48] <genii> Then it's probably only editable by devs or Canonical staffers
[15:55] <klemax> Hello. After getting some dns issues with systemd-resolved, I decided to use unbound.  How to set a custom dns server using unbound?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> klemax, using network manager or static IP
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> with ifupdown installed and static IP in the /etc/network/interfaces, systemd resolved.conf dns settings should work
[16:07] <klemax> BluesKaj, its defined in network manager but I'm not sure if i'm still using google dns servers after seeing dig's output.
[16:08] <klemax> the server looks like <IP_ADDRESS>#53
[16:22] <Scoop7> Hello can you use aliases in your ~/.bash_aliases file ?
[16:23] <MrHall> Hello i did a mistake and execute this lines on mysql  update user set plugin='dasd' where User='root';
[16:23] <MrHall> And when i want enter to mysql throw error : pligun 'dasd' not disponible
[16:24] <MrHall> some know how can i fix it?
[16:24] <MrHall> i try purge mysql and reinstall but persist the error
[16:24] <MrHall> ERROR 1524 (HY000): Plugin 'dasd' is not loaded this is the issue
[16:27] <BluesKaj> Scoop7, depends what commands you want aliases for
[16:29] <Scoop7> BluesKaj e.g.   pa="php artisan"  and pam"pa migrate"
[16:29] <Scoop7> ?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> Scoop7, then use: alias  pa="php artisan"  and pam"pa migrate" , dunno if the " and " will complete the string to pam"pa migrate
[16:32] <vmenezes> any suggestion how to safely update ubuntu server from 16.04.2 to 16.04.3? All but one server are one version behind and unattended-upgrade --dry-run logs "no  packages found that can be upgraded unattended..."
[16:33] <BluesKaj> Scoop7, you may need to use & instead of and
[16:34] <Scoop7> I have an alias for things like  sudo="sudo " and cd="cd " which helps when wanting to use them with aliases
[16:34] <Scoop7> anyway I got my answer from #linux they told that that should work just fine, just need to respect the order
[16:35] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install package name etc can be aliased
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Scoop7,^
[16:35] <Scoop7> BluesKaj ofc, thanks :)
[16:36] <BluesKaj> sudo apt update etc
[16:40] <nicomachus> Scoop7: ALWAYS use sudo="sudo" and do NOT make an alias that is 'alias="sudo <command>"'. but it looks like you got that already.
[16:41] <IMNME> Hello, I just set up a mining rig with Xubuntu 16.04, and when I enable large page support for my GPUs, I can no longer shut down my rig without it hanging. Specifically, after I edit "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash amdgpu.vm_fragment_size=9", I can no longer shut down properly. I am not sure this is the issue, and any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
[16:44] <Younder> IMNME, I am not sure either. But I sounds like a server app. Why are you running X-Widows on it? I suspect the problem is there.
[16:44] <ttyX> can someone tell me what's the equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/chronyd on ubuntu?
[16:44] <IMNME> Younder: X-Widows? I'm not sure what that is
[16:45] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, I use one all the time without any consequences
[16:45] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: it's mostly just a security issue.
[16:45] <nicomachus> Younder: GPU's do the mining, not running an x server.
[16:46] <Younder> IMNME, sorry typo, Windows
[16:46] <BluesKaj> yes, bit , I'm not on the job and as vulnerable to prying eyes for important data, nicomachus
[16:47] <BluesKaj> bit=but
[16:47] <IMNME> Younder: I used a guide that walks through setup with Xubuntu, if I used Ubuntu or another distro would I be better off?
[16:47] <TaZeR> i have a good name for a ubuntu W release "willows weep"
[16:48] <nicomachus> IMNME: if you're just mining, do you really need a GUI? why not just use ubuntu-server?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> TaZeR, too late the silliness has preceeded your suggestion
[16:48] <Younder> nicomachus, True but it is GPU mining which competes for the same resources. On NVIDEA only te Titan, Quadro and Tesla modes allow multiple processes to access the GPU at the same time. Not a problem with open GL, but CUDA on the other hand.
[16:49] <TaZeR> ok tell him i said hi
[16:49] <Younder> Not a problem with AMD though.
[16:49] <nicomachus> Younder: which is why I'm saying he should go headless and just run Ubuntu Server...
[16:49] <IMNME> nicomachus: I mean it makes me feel a little more comfortable but I guess I could get by without it. Do you think that's causing the issue? I mean once I get it up and running for good I shouldn't need to ever turn it off
[16:50] <IMNME> nicomachus: What's the best way to remote in to the rig to check on it? Can I do it from an iPad or Phone with a VNC viewer? Even remotely when I'm not on the same router?
[16:54] <Younder> IMNME, with SSH or you can set up a web server and use you favorite web-prog to  generate a progress report.
[16:55] <Younder> I use a mix of SSH and Apache/Posresql/PHP which seems popular among administrators.
[16:57] <IMNME> Younder: Is there a guide on how to set that up?
[16:58] <nicomachus> IMNME: SSH is probably the best.
[16:58] <nicomachus> !info ssh | IMNME
[16:58] <IMNME> How do I SSH in completely remotely though? I just need the rig's external IP?
[16:58] <nicomachus> yep.
[16:59] <nicomachus> I hate to say Google it, but you should google it.
[16:59] <IMNME> nicomachus: which can be obtained from the command line in ubuntu server right? since i dont have a gui
[16:59] <nicomachus> yes
[17:00] <IMNME> nicomachus: and yeah that's definitely something I can google. Thanks! So you think it's just the GUI interfering with something?
[17:00] <IMNME> nicomachus: the whole hanging on shutdown thing
[17:01] <nicomachus> IMNME: to get the external ip you can do something like this: curl -s checkip.dyndns.org | sed -e 's/.*Current IP Address: //' -e 's/<.*$//'
[17:01] <Younder> IMNME, The ubuntu server guide
[17:01] <sruli> i had a problem with virt-viewer that it didn’t allow to connect USB devices from host, i got and error about ACL permissions, i found a solution on opensuse forum to add line "<allow_any>yes</allow_any>
[17:01] <sruli> " to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.spice-spice.lowlevelusbaccess.policy the solution works, my question is waht / if are the security implications of this?
[17:02] <IMNME> nicomachus: thanks, I appreciate the help!
[17:03] <IMNME> Younder: Thanks, I appreciate the help!
[17:04] <vmenezes> should "unattended-upgrade" upgrade my server from 16.04.2 to 16.04.3 or do I have to run "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[17:06] <IMNME> nicomachus: Does ubuntu server have Xorg? Apparently that is needed for the drivers
[17:06] <Younder> vmenezes, I would never use unattended upgrade. Upgrades break things and you need to know what. You can't have a unattended dist-upgrade
[17:06] <nicomachus> IMNME: no it doesn't, but you can install it.
[17:07] <IMNME> nicomachus: something like #sudo apt-get install xorg?
[17:08] <fireprfHydra> what's considered the latest stable ubuntu version?
[17:09] <nicomachus> IMNME: well, Xorg is the GUI. so you'll want to read through this and figure the best solution for your use case: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerGUI
[17:09] <nicomachus> fireprfHydra: Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is the latest long term support version. 17.10 is short term support but is still considered stable.
[17:10] <fireprfHydra> nicomachus: thank you
[17:10] <DJones> fireprfHydra: 16.04 is LTS support so seen as pretty stable,latest release of 17.10 has been stable for me in a user situation (no servers etc)
[17:10] <peterrus> hi, I encrypted a partition using the ubuntu disk utility (using luks), I made sure I didn't use a keyfile, but when I am booting my encrypted volume gets mounted, even without me entering any passphrase, how can this be possible?
[17:11] <IMNME> nicomachus: so if I just install xorg, a minimal GUI will appear? and then if install xauth I can see that GUI when i SSH in?
[17:12] <nicomachus> IMNME: a GUI over SSH is slow and clunky and unnecessary, but yes it'll work if you need it to. You just use the -X option on your ssh command.
[17:13] <IMNME> nicomachus: I'll definitely try to just go without it then. Thanks again
[17:14] <sruli> peterrus: post the output of lsblk to paste.ubuntu.com
[17:25] <peterrus> sruli: https://pastebin.com/skwVsmZ2
[17:28] <DolphinDream> howdy bunterz
[17:28] <DolphinDream> any ideas why i'm getting this error with some apps (16.04) : Gtk-Message: Not loading module "atk-bridge": The functionality is provided by GTK natively. Please try to not load it.
[17:45] <vmenezes> "apt-get dist-upgrade" updated from 16.04.2 to 16.04.3 but I got an error a msg "Erros were encountered while processing: linux-image-extra-4.4.0-31-generic". Any suggestion how can I check it?
[17:46] <vmenezes> the /var/log/dpkg.log does not tell me much more and /var/log/dist-upgrade is empty
[17:52] <sruli> peterrus: no need to redact the uuid of the volume, nothing sensitive there. i would need to see the full output, all the drives and partitions, also post the output of "cat /etc/fstab" & "cat /etc/crypttab"
[17:55] <sruli> i had a problem with virt-viewer that it didn’t allow to connect USB devices from host, i got and error about ACL permissions, i found a solution on opensuse forum to add line "<allow_any>yes</allow_any>" to /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.spice-spice.lowlevelusbaccess.policy the solution works, my question is waht / if are the security implications of this?
[17:58] <alkisg> vmenezes: run sudo apt-get install -f, and put the whole output to pastebin
[17:58] <alkisg> vmenezes: or just check the terminal above, if you still have it open. We need the full output to tell you why it errored out.
[18:00] <crised> Any reason why I should pay extra for 16GB instead of 8GB RAM for Dell XPS 13, for running ubuntu for software development?
[18:01] <alkisg> crised: open all the apps you use, run `free`, and check the ram you use. if it's less than 8 GB, you don't need more.
[18:01] <crised> alkisg: Whihch position should I care about?
[18:02] <crised> alkisg: used is 5.6 G
[18:02] <leftyfb> crised: yes, web browsers :)
[18:02] <adrian_1908> crised: The more, the merrier. If you compile a huge application, you might need it.
[18:02] <alkisg> crised: the "used" column
[18:03] <alkisg> If you're using 6 GB, then you might plan ahead and buy those 16 GB
[18:03] <alkisg> RAM requirements increase each year...
[18:04] <adrian_1908> Yeas, I would definitely try to get 16GB for a notebook in 2017, it's a sane amount if you're into content creation.
[18:04] <alkisg> I'm using 8 GB, and the limit I bump into is that I can't have more than 3 VMs running, while I have all my apps open
[18:04] <crised> mmm I see
[18:05] <alkisg> "640Kb should be enough for everyone", was it? :D
[18:05] <adrian_1908> crised: How much more for the 16GB? I always have the issue that I would get more, but that the model in question doesn't offer it, i.e. only the more expensive models even offer that range.
[18:05] <crised> alkisg: I think Bill gates denied saying that
[18:06] <crised> Which other notebook similar to the Dell XPS should I consider for running ubuntu?
[18:06] <leftyfb> If you're doing VM's you should definitely get more ram
[18:06] <leftyfb> btw, if the VM's are just other linux OS's, you should look into lxd containers
[18:07] <leftyfb> crised: I'm running the XPS 13 as we speak. I love it
[18:07] <crised> leftyfb: 8 or 16 GB ram?
[18:07] <leftyfb> 16G
[18:09] <crised> adrian_1908: $400 aprox
[18:09] <adrian_1908> crised: Huh, $400 MORE for 8GB->16GB, or did you misread my question?
[18:10] <alkisg> Isn't it possible to just buy and add 8gb more?
[18:10] <crised> alkisg: no it's soldered
[18:10] <nicomachus> what?
[18:10] <nicomachus> are you sure?
[18:10] <crised> adrian_1908: yes $400 more for getting additional 8GB for a total of 16GB
[18:11] <crised> nicomachus: yes, not upgradable
[18:11] <adrian_1908> crised: Then don't do it. It should be 50-100 more at worse, that's ridiculous.
[18:11] <adrian_1908> Or find another retailer!
[18:12] <nicomachus> shouldn't need more than 8 anyway, on a laptop.
[18:12] <alkisg> Ouch, actually I'd vote to do it then, if you'll be giving near $1500 anyway, it's best to plan ahead... 8 gb may be ok now, but it won't be in a few years
[18:12] <vmenezes> alkisg: I ran "apt-get install -f" and looks like now it installed it without errors
[18:12] <alkisg> vmenezes: nice
[18:14] <adrian_1908> Oh, the Dell XPS 13 is an expensive model. I assumed it was a budget one, my bad! That relativizes things. On cheaper models, RAM doesn't cost that much extra.
[18:15] <alkisg> crised: e.g. Dell Inspiron 3567 (i7-7500U/8GB/256GB/Radeon R5 M430/FHD/W10) => 790 euros only... and upgradeable
[18:15] <adrian_1908> So back to my original stance then, I would definitely get 16GB for a notebook in 2017 :P
[18:16] <vmenezes> alkisg: one thing that still weird is that all the others servers return <IP_ADDRESS>-generic when I run "uname -r". this server that I manually upgraded still return "<IP_ADDRESS>-generic"
[18:18] <alkisg> vmenezes: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; ls /boot => 101 should be in there, and you may require a reboot
[18:21] <vmenezes> alkisg: oh thanks! I see  101 is there on "/boot/". hopefully it will load it without problems on next reboot
[18:25] <adrian_1908> Yes it will. Btw, you can use plain "apt" these days, e.g. "apt update && apt full-upgrade && apt -y autoremove"
[18:34] <sruli> the installer default option is greek keyboard, must be another el somewhere i did not find
[18:59] <raph0x> hello, I've written Ubuntu Server Precise Pangolin 12.04 prebuilt OMAP4 image to an SD card to boot on my pandaboard, it booted, but it goes to login screen and I hav eno idea which is the password for ubuntu prebuilt images
[19:01] <alkisg> !eol | raph0x:
[19:01] <raph0x> alkisg it's just a test, I know it's EOL and I don't care :D
[19:01] <alkisg> Don't they have newer images to test with?
[19:01] <alkisg> Ones that people might actually be able to help you with, that is...
[19:13] <nms_> !info grep
[19:14] <nms_> !info man grep
[19:14] <rh10> guys is it real to downgrade to esr firefox (52) from current 57?
[19:14] <nms_> !info man xenial
[19:15] <nms_> !info ln
[19:15] <nms_> !info core-utils
[19:16] <nms_> !info
[19:16] <rh10> nms_, i know about apt-cache showpkg
[19:16] <rh10> but how to use it correctly?
[19:17] <rh10> if someone interested there is https://askubuntu.com/questions/894871/how-do-i-install-firefox-52-esr-on-16-04
[19:18] <nms_> what's your beef with 56
[19:18] <nms_> Lts?
[19:18] <pclerie> hello all! Using 17.10 with a NUC5 with home directory on NFS4. I find that Nautilus is excuciatingly slow, but files ops are perfectly normal in the terminal. Does that sound familiar?
[19:19] <nms_> Building on chromium?
[19:32] <mentalita> does xubuntu not have that updater thingy like mint?
[19:34] <nicomachus> mentalita: what "updater thingy"?
[19:35] <mentalita> nicomachus: https://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/katya/mintupdate.png
[19:36] <nicomachus> just use 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" in a terminal. Or you can do the same thing in the Software Center
[19:38] <mentalita> I loved mint's update manager :/
[19:38] <mentalita> can't I install it and use that instead of software center?
[19:38] <mentalita> is that dangerous?
[19:39] <mentalita> the dog pulled my internet cable
[19:40] <mentalita> <mentalita> I loved mint's update manager :/
[19:40] <mentalita> <mentalita> can't I install it and use that instead of software center?
[19:40] <mentalita> is that dangerous?
[19:40] <mentalita> I also don't like thunar, it's very limited. can I use caja?
[19:41] <leftyfb> mentalita: ubuntu != mint
[19:42] <mentalita> ok :\
[19:44] <nicomachus> mentalita: go back to Mint I guess.
[19:49] <swift110> lol nickenchuggets
[19:52] <alkisg> mentalita: ubuntu mate is more similar to mint than xubuntu
[19:52] <alkisg> It has caja etc properly packaged without breaking everything like mint
[19:53] <mentalita> alkisg: I believe I had it
[19:54] <mentalita> but it would give me
[19:54] <mentalita> linux mint mate serena 18.1 when I check the version
[19:54] <mentalita> :D
[19:54] <mentalita> I used to believe I have it*
[19:54] <mentalita> but it doesn't ship with new enough python
[19:54] <mentalita> so I ditched it
[19:54] <mentalita> xubuntu is beautiful
[19:55] <mentalita> but it would be even more beautiful if I could use caja and have mint's update manager
[19:57] <pclerie> Reasking: I am using 17.10 with a NUC6i5 and home directory on NFS4. I find nautilus to be excruciatingly slow. In fact, I just measured it: from the time it pops on my screen to the display of folders it take 2'11". I have no such problem at the terminal. I was wondering what if anything I am doing wrong...
[19:57] <sunrunner20> is there any advantage to configuring fial2ban to use ufw instead of iptables?
[19:58] <sunrunner20> and if there is is there a good guid?
[19:58] <sunrunner20> the guid I have uses iptables
[20:04] <geri_> hi what does ssh -L ?
[20:05] <oerheks> man ssh
[20:05] <oerheks>  -L Specifies that connections to the given TCP port or Unix socket on the local (client) host are to be forwarded to the given host and port, or Unix socket, on the remote side.
[20:06] <oerheks> or a conveniant answer: https://www.ssh.com/ssh/tunneling/example
[20:12] <xcyclist> Say, these days, what is a good first document to ramp up on the latest kernel compiles and device driver development environments?
[20:14] <jrp93> xcyclist, if no one here has an answer maybe ask jxself in #trisquel
[20:16] <alkisg> (09:54:36 μμ) mentalita: but it doesn't ship with new enough python => all ubuntu flavors have the same versions of python
[20:17] <azureus> good night
[20:18] <oerheks> !info python3.6
[20:18] <oerheks> we have the latest indeed https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-363/
[20:18] <azureus> how to install ubuntu on lenovo ideapad 100s 14 lbr ?
[20:19] <leftyfb> This bug is REALLY critical for me and my company. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1736794
[20:31] <MicroMars> Wooow
[20:48] <NotLim> banana split?
[20:49] <MicroMars> NotLim, :)
[20:49] <NotLim> =)
[20:49] <azureus> does everything work on ubuntu on pc lenovo 100s 14-lbr?
[20:52] <leftyfb> oerheks: did you get any of my last messages?
[20:53] <subsume> where do people go for nginx help these days... lol nginx is private?
[20:53] <nicomachus> !register > subsume you may need to register your nick to join the channel.
[20:54] <leftyfb> oerheks: if I try to reload the interface, I get "Failed to load firmware chunk!"
[20:56] <subsume> testing
[20:57] <leftyfb> failed
[20:57] <subsume> damn
[21:01] <genewitch> how do i check if a binary was compiled with PIE? on gentoo you use hardening-check app
[21:03] <Neo1> hi
[21:03] <Neo1> if I do for files 775 rights it's equal 665?
[21:04] <Neo1> for files, not for directories
[21:05] <genewitch> what do you mean Neo1
[21:06] <Neo1> I mean do instead 664 for files 775?
[21:06] <Neo1> it's equal for files?
[21:07] <Neo1> 6 4+2 we can read and write not execute?
[21:07] <Neo1> 644 owner can read and write inside this file?
[21:07] <Neo1> anybody can read
[21:08] <Neo1> if I set 775?
[21:08] <Neo1> just not useful reset permission for each
[21:09] <Neo1> I set for all using this command
[21:09] <Neo1> sudo chmod 775 /var/www -R
[21:09] <tomreyn> just create two test files: cd /tmp/; touch test775; touch test665: ls -l test* ## are they different now?
[21:09] <Neo1> how I can now set for files not use find?
[21:10] <Neo1> tomreyn: what you mean?
[21:10] <Neo1> tomreyn: I say about permission, how it change for files and folders using chmod?
[21:11] <tomreyn> Neo1: it's hard to understand you, but i assume you were saying that you think that, on files, setting modes 0775 is equal to mode 0665. i've provided an example to do just that, and to inspect the result.
[21:11] <Neo1> I use it sudo chmod 775 /var/www -R or sudo chmod 664 /var/www -R , How I can separately set up for files and folders?
[21:11] <Neo1> tomreyn: yes
[21:12] <Neo1> tomreyn: what is differ if one file has 7, and second 6 ?
[21:12] <tomreyn> find -type, where type=d (directory) or type=f (file)
[21:12] <tomreyn> Neo1: try my example and you'll know
[21:12] <Neo1> tomreyn: for find need at first navigate to directory?
[21:13] <Neo1> tomreyn: I know this command
[21:13] <tomreyn> Neo1: with find, you always provide the location as the first parameter
[21:14] <Neo1> tomreyn: yes, http://prntscr.com/hk1r5t
[21:14] <Neo1> well
[21:14] <Neo1> I forgot it ))) confused
[21:15] <tomreyn> sorry, my example was flawed, try this: cd /tmp/; touch test775; touch test665; chmod 775 test775; chmod 665 test665; ls -l test*
[21:16] <tomreyn> in the 'find' example you posted, you probably should use '{}' rather than just {} to prevent this from getting expanded by your shell
[21:17] <Neo1> tomreyn: yes, I used that command before
[21:33] <Pici>  /25
[21:52] <rfleming> anyone use BackupPC or urBackup?
[21:52] <rfleming> (on Ubuntu)
[21:53] <nicomachus> rfleming: nope, just dejadup
[21:54] <rfleming> That's what I'm using now, but since I've migrated all my computers to Ubuntu... I'm looking for something a little more... robust.
[21:54] <rfleming> right now everything deja-dup's to an rPi with an external disk
[21:55] <rfleming> so many problems with that :)
[21:55] <nicomachus> tar -cvpzf /foo/backupfile.tar.gz /Backupthisdirectory/path
[21:55] <nicomachus> crontab -e
[21:55] <ducasse> rfleming: you want a gui?
[21:55] <rfleming> ducasse: more like central management
[21:56] <rfleming> 4 laptops, 2 computers and 2 rPi's
[21:57] <ducasse> rfleming: you might want to check duplicati if you want to save to cloud services - i've only been using it for a short while but like it a lot. web interface.
[21:57] <crised> Any chromebook that can run ubuntu without hacks?
[21:58] <rfleming> ducasse: can I use my own machine instead of their cloud?
[21:58] <rfleming> Ooh, yeah, FTP, SSH, WebDAV, and other stuff
[21:59] <rfleming> One of those 'computers' is going to be a nextcloud box
[21:59] <rfleming> ducasse: thanks for that tip!
[22:00] <ducasse> rfleming: yw, it's quite handy
[22:00] <rfleming> ducasse: I'll have to check if it handles central management.
[22:00] <rfleming> otherwise I'm gonna have to look at Bacula :)
[22:01] <ducasse> rfleming: i use it to store on a cloud service that has no linux client - works like a charm
[22:01] <rfleming> ducasse: I understand, but I have 4 different laptops (4 users), and a couple of computers/servers to back up as well :)
[22:02] <rfleming> one of the users is my wife, the other two are my kids... and well, they're not going to do the work :)
[22:03] <ducasse> rfleming: iirc you can just schedule a weekly job or whatever and forget about it, then access the webui when necessary
[22:03] <rfleming> ducasse: I'll check it out.
[22:04] <sabrehagen> How do I install this package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-open-sans
[22:04] <rfleming> software center and installing there... or sudo apt install fonts-open-sans
[22:05] <rfleming> and if you're running something like xenial, yakkety or zenial, it isn't available by that name
[22:05] <sabrehagen> rfleming: Thanks. I tried `sudo apt install fonts-open-sans` before and got `Package fonts-open-sans is not available` on Ubuntu 17.04
[22:05] <ducasse> sabrehagen: that package is only in 17.10 (and bionic)
[22:06] <rfleming> according to that link, it's only available on 17.10 and 18.04
[22:06] <sabrehagen> rfleming: Ahh I see, thanks
[22:07] <rfleming> sabrehagen: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/zesty/+source/fonts-open-sans
[22:07] <rfleming> says there are no packages
[22:08] <sabrehagen> I'll upgrade my distro. Is it generally considered safe to upgrade major versions without a fresh install e.g. from 17.04 to 18.04
[22:08] <rfleming> sabrehagen: no, you'll have to step through 17.10 first
[22:08] <ducasse> sabrehagen: upgrade to 17.10, and you can just install it. 17.04 loses support in january anyway, so not much time until you need to
[22:08] <sabrehagen> duckydan: thank you
[22:08] <ducasse> sabrehagen: 18.04 is _far_ from ready for regular users
[22:09] <sabrehagen> ducasse: what are you most excited for in 18.04?
[22:10] <sabrehagen> that is, if you still get excited by new features/releases :)
[22:10] <ducasse> sabrehagen: i'm hoping it will get zfs 0.7
[22:11] <asdasd> hi there, quick question. i'm trying to boot ubuntu live and all i get is a blinking underscore
[22:11] <asdasd> using unetbootin
[22:12] <asdasd> been waiting for a couple of minutes
[22:12] <ducasse> asdasd: don't use undetbootin, use rufus, etcher or plain old dd
[22:12] <asdasd> aight will try rufus thanks
[22:13] <ducasse> sabrehagen: you can see this - https://thishosting.rocks/ubuntu-18-04-new-features-release-date/
[22:17] <sabrehagen> ducasse: thanks, really informative guide
[22:18] <sabrehagen> I used unetbootin to create a 17.10 live usb yesterday. Why do you suggest using rufus?
[22:19] <asdasd> ducasse: thanks, it did make a difference
[22:19] <carbocalm> Good evening. Since my last upgrade to aardvark I can't find the option to log in using xmonad window manager. Can somebody help ? Thank you.
[22:27] <ducasse> sabrehagen: unetbootin is known to cause problems from time to time, as you can see from asdasd's response
[22:27] <sabrehagen> :)
[22:28] <ducasse> carbocalm: what files are in /usr/share/xsessions ?
[22:29] <sabrehagen> ducasse: Is it correct that when using `sudo dd if=input.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M` the drive will not be bootable? That simply copies the image, right?
[22:30] <akik> sabrehagen: it'll be bootable
[22:30] <akik> sabrehagen: if input.iso is an ubuntu iso image
[22:31] <sabrehagen> akik: it is
[22:32] <oerheks> .. && sync
[22:32] <ducasse> sabrehagen: that should make it bootable, *if* it's a hybrid iso (ubuntu's are)
[22:32] <akik> sabrehagen: are you talking about a usb drive?
[22:32] <sabrehagen> akik: yes
[22:33] <sabrehagen> could I write a bootable ubuntu iso to a partition on my hard drive, then boot into a 'live' session?
[22:34] <sabrehagen> (running from that partition)
[22:34] <oerheks> yes, only if you have grub installed already
[22:34] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[22:35] <carbocalm> ducasse: gnome-flashback-xmonad.desktop , ubuntu.desktop (links to ->) ubuntu-xorg.desktop, unity.desktop, xmonad.desktop
[22:38] <squirrel> so after booting into ubuntu, i get this https://fluf.cf/upload/1512599648869-1132341900.jpg
[22:38] <squirrel> note sda which is missing from fdisk
[22:38] <squirrel> and somehow fdisk produces multiple empty lines
[22:38] <squirrel> is my disk dead or something?
[22:39] <oerheks> squirrel, no, if those sda partitions are EXFAT, then it is logical
[22:40] <oerheks> for exfat support you need exfat-fuse exfat-utils, *or* that sda disk is uefi/secure boot
[22:41] <squirrel> oh, uefi. that i haven't tried
[22:41] <squirrel> brb
[22:45] <akik> squirrel: how about "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ? check the return value with "echo $?"
[22:45] <akik> squirrel: check also if you get errors in dmesg
[22:47] <ducasse> carbocalm: as long as xmonad.desktop is there, you should get it as an option when you log in, can you pastebin the file?
[22:50] <squirrel> i rebooted in secure uefi
[22:50] <squirrel> this is what i get now https://fluf.cf/upload/1512600546087-1316209494.jpg
[23:03] <ibmr50e> how to see hidden files with ls?
[23:06] <ducasse> ibmr50e: ls -a
[23:07] <ibmr50e> thanks ducasse
[23:10] <crised> Which version of XPS does Ubuntu likes better 9350 or 9360?
[23:12] <ducasse> crised: aren't they both sold with ubuntu preinstalled?
[23:12] <crised> ducasse: no idea
[23:14] <ducasse> crised: i thought so, but might be wrong.
[23:25] <xcyclist> I'm not getting failures with xconfig and menuconfig as follows:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26128764/
[23:25] <xcyclist> Sorry.  Wrong group.
[23:26] <crised> https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201508-18805/
[23:26] <crised> The XPS 13 9350 is certified for Ubuntu 14.04, anyone running it with 16.04 or 17?
[23:29] <GrandPa-G> if I have a standard service setup under 16.04 using systemctl and it expects foo.conf for its configuration file, how/where do I change it to take bar.conf?
[23:33] <ducasse> GrandPa-G: depends on the service, it might be a command line option. see the man page.
[23:34] <funyun> exit
[23:34] <GrandPa-G> ducasse:I guess I was looking for advice where I might find in the service start/stop/restart script. They seem to be a bit complicated.
[23:35] <akik> GrandPa-G: the service files are in /lib/systemd/system. take a look there
[23:35] <ducasse> GrandPa-G: was this installed by a package or by you?
[23:35] <Jordan_U> GrandPa-G: There is no standard for that, so you'll have to look at each service's documentation individually.
[23:35] <GrandPa-G> ducasse:by a package. I have asked there for more specific info, just not much response.
[23:36] <ducasse> GrandPa-G: if by you, /etc/systemd/system
[23:37] <akik> actually if you create your own service file in /lib/systemd/system, systemctl creates a sym link to /etc on enable
[23:42] <ducasse> yes, but /lib is intended to be used for unit files installed by packages, and /etc by the admin
[23:43] <ducasse> but no point arguing about it :)


[16:28] <TheyCallMePaul> I am just wondering about PHP for 22.04. I see both 8.0 and 8.1 are in the repos. When 22.04 is released, will both still be available, or there can be only one?