  Is it now replaced by ban?
[06:38] <nigelb> StevenK: Magical summons!
[06:38] <chu> Tm_T: Mind looking in #ubuntu-server? :p
[06:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I never used it so I don't know
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ah, OK
[06:38] <Tm_T> chu: he's on several other channels too, ignore, and he most likely won't bother at all
[06:39] <chu> Tm_T: Yeah, but just on the watch (he was initially redirected here after going on about it in #ubuntu too)
[06:39] <Tm_T> aye, been watching some time now
[06:39] <chu> Good :)
[06:39] <slangasek> seriously?  Someone directed him here?  Gee thanks :-P
[06:40] <Tm_T> slangasek: love must be shared (;
[06:40] <slangasek> is there a reason he shouldn't be preemptively banned from the remaining #ubuntu-* channels?  Ubuntu folks being the helpful sort, someone is liable to respond to him
[06:41] <Tm_T> slangasek: we don't tend to preemptively ban except very extreme cases
[06:41] <Tm_T> or spam waves
[06:42] <Tm_T> noone's responding to him so he's not doing anything
[06:42]  * slangasek shrugs. ok
[06:42] <Tm_T> no bans needed, no escalation (and reward for him) and everybody wins expect him (:
[06:42] <Tm_T> bans are easy to dodge anyway
[08:12] <Kalidarn> hey guys could someone take a look at this bug 750437
[08:13] <Kalidarn> its been confirmed, its causing major problems, kernel panics, etc.
[08:13] <Kalidarn> a solution has been found, that is to not use the ubuntu driver, but rather the out-of-kernel one which is more up to date.
[08:13] <Kalidarn> (which is also confirmed to be a solution by multiple users)
[08:15] <Kalidarn> #40 which was me discovered the newest drivers fixed the kernel panics, and it has been confirmed by #44 and #45
[08:15] <Kalidarn> given that ubuntu 12.04 is an LTS version with 5Y support it would be terrible to see this problem plague ATI/AMD users for the next 5 years.
[08:17] <Kalidarn> the bug is hardly new either, it effects 62 people and was opened on 2011-04-04 after being reported in the forums on the April 3rd, 2011
[08:18] <Kalidarn> there's also 2 duplicate bugs, its kind of a bit shit it's hung around like a bad smell for this long
[08:19] <Kalidarn> if there's some reason nothing has been done about it could someone please say so inside the bug so we have a bit of an update.
[09:46] <kalxas> hi
[09:46] <kalxas> I am trying to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization#Advanced_Customizations for 12.04
[09:46] <kalxas> I have managed to change the live session user name as described
[09:47] <kalxas> but I fail to do so with the password and the background image
[09:48] <kalxas> I am working on this: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm/trunk/bin/build_chroot_debug.sh
[09:49] <kalxas> lines 126-144
[09:49] <kalxas> any ideas?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: ping
[14:42] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: I've been trying to build the kubuntu live ISO via live build bit it keeps pulling in unity-2d for some reason and then fails to build the live ISO because unity-2d-common has a postinst script that uses gconf2 which has not been pulled in
[14:42] <shadeslayer> s/bit/but/
[14:42] <shadeslayer> what I don't get is .. why is unity-2d-common even pulled in
[14:43]  * ogra_ wonders if you use the right seeds
[14:43] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I'm using the default seeds
[14:43] <shadeslayer> infact, I'm using the examples from livecd-rootfs
[14:43] <ogra_> for kubuntu-desktop ?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:44] <ogra_> well, we also use livecd-rootfs to pull the configs in place, you probably need to have that too
[14:44]  * ogra_ never tried to build locally since we switched to live-build
[14:44] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I have that :)
[14:44] <shadeslayer> that's what I'm using
[14:44] <shadeslayer> plus : SEEDMIRROR=http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
[14:45] <shadeslayer> is what I have in auto/config
[14:46] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128981/
[14:47] <ogra_> whats the cmdline you use ?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> ogra_:  sudo -E PROJECT=kubuntu SUITE=quantal ARCH=i386 lb build
[14:48] <ogra_> i wonder if PROJECT shouldnt be kubuntu-desktop
[14:48] <shadeslayer> the config file says kubuntu|kubuntu-dvd
[14:48] <ogra_> k
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128989/
[14:50] <shadeslayer> I've started another clean build to make sure it's not a problem with the command I ran earlier ( I exported the vars earlier and used sudo -E lb build )
[14:54] <shadeslayer> gah
[14:54] <shadeslayer> still pulling in unity-2d-common
[14:54] <shadeslayer> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1128999/
[14:55] <ogra_> well, tat doesnt have a single kde package
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ogra_: it does, kdelibs
[14:56] <ogra_> well ...
[14:56] <ogra_> looks a bit like the config isnt applied or so
[14:56] <shadeslayer> as well as libkdeui and some other libkde packages
[14:58] <ogra_> have a look at livecd.sh from livecd-rootfs
[14:59] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[14:59]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:59] <cjwatson> Er, nobody maintains that any more
[14:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:59] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: Make sure you passed the right environment when running lb config as well as lb build
[14:59] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: yeah, looking at lb config
[14:59] <ogra_> (or better at BuildLiveCD)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> grepping for kubuntu-desktop on config didn't turn up anything earlier
[15:00] <cjwatson> kubuntu-desktop would be wrong
[15:00] <ogra_> right, i was mislead there
[15:00] <cjwatson> anyway, busy now, sorry
[15:00] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: no no, I mean, grepping for kubuntu-desktop in the config *folder*
[15:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:00]  * shadeslayer will keep experimenting
[15:01] <cjwatson> make sure to run lb clean if you're changing the config
[15:01] <shadeslayer> yep, I do that :)
[15:01] <cjwatson> actually not sure clean removes the config directory, check
[15:01] <shadeslayer> no it doesn't
[15:02] <ogra_> BuildLiveCD does that before running live-build it seems
[15:02] <ogra_> $LINUX32 sudo chroot ${DIR%/./*} sh -c "cd /${DIR#*/./} && rm -rf auto && mkdir -p auto && for f in config build clean; do ln -s /usr/shar
[15:02] <ogra_> e/livecd-rootfs/live-build/auto/\$f auto/; done" >> ${LOG} 2>&1 || true
[15:03] <ogra_> and then
[15:03] <ogra_> $LINUX32 sudo chroot ${DIR%/./*} sh -c "cd /${DIR#*/./} && lb clean --purge" >> ${LOG} 2>&1 || true
[15:03] <shadeslayer> weird
[15:03] <shadeslayer> I see : rm -rf config
[15:03] <shadeslayer> in auto/clean
[15:04] <ogra_> COMMAND="PROJECT=${FS} SUBPROJECT=${SUBPROJECT} ARCH=${ARCH} SUBARCH=${SUBARCH} lb build"
[15:04] <ogra_> and that seems to be the actual build command
[15:16] <shadeslayer> what if I don't define a subproject and a subarch?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ( and it's *still* pulling in unity :| )
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ogra_: any ideas what variables are needed to run BuildLiveCD properly?
[17:17] <bipul> hi shadeslayer
[17:18] <shadeslayer> hi bipul
[17:18] <bipul> shadeslayer,  pm
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:34] <cjohnston> micahg: what ever happened to getting the Chromium PPA's back up and going?
[17:50] <infinity> TheMuso: Where's the MIR for liblouis?
[17:50] <infinity> TheMuso: (You made it a gnome-orca build-dep, but it's in universe)


[00:20] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[00:48]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick
[00:48] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/380775
[00:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu: my friend?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> who is it hanging on your side?
[00:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu: err Escape key ?
[00:49] <cwillu> I've got an evolution password prompt that grabs the keyboard and refuses to go away :p
[00:49] <cwillu> doesn't work
[00:49] <cwillu> just pops back up a second later
[00:49] <cwillu> I just killall'd evolution from a vterm
[00:49] <cwillu> but it continually popped up for about 10 minutes there
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I had a stupid bug with compiz and kmail (actually pineentry) where it stood in background
[00:51] <BUGabundo> specially (and this one still happens) if there is a full screen app opened
[00:51] <BUGabundo> got me tricked a few times
[00:51] <cwillu> yep, that one was annoying too
[00:51] <BUGabundo> finally I replaced pineentry-qt with pineentry-gtk and it improved
[00:52] <cwillu> in other news, ikanobri analyzed me based on my musings in #ubuntu-offtopic and came up with http://ikanobori.jp/garbage/cwillu_analyzed.txt :p
[00:54] <BUGabundo> cwillu: background / context please
[00:55] <cwillu> just out of the blue
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:DEFENSIVE SYMBOLIZATION:PASSIVITY                       36
[00:55] <cwillu> and everything I ever said in -offtopic I guess :p
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:SENSATION:COLD
[00:55] <BUGabundo> PRIMARY:NEED:SEX                                                 1
[00:55] <BUGabundo> oh damn
[01:23] <DanaG> Anyone know how to make ntfs-3g NOT take insane amounts of CPU (IOWAIT) usage during large file copy operations?
[01:23] <DanaG> Going from NTFS-3G to NTFS-3g starts at around 50 megabytes per second.... and then drops down to around 5.
[01:25] <BUGabundo> DanaG: anwser 42
[01:25] <cwillu> """The target for the Open Source NTFS-3G Driver is to provide similar performance to other file systems on a wide range of hardware platforms and operating systems. Meanwhile the Commercial NTFS-3G Driver focuses on the highest possible theoretical performance on the underlaying hardware architecture on the Linux platform and it provides 10-20 times better performance for instance by much higher throughput and/or much lower CPU utilization. """
[01:25] <cwillu> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html
[01:25] <BUGabundo> you are lucky. for me from NTFS to fat it goes down to 1MiB/s
[01:26] <DanaG> And it brings nearly everything else to a sluggish state.
[01:27] <DanaG> I get much higher performance with either Windows copying ntfs-to-ntfs, or with Linux copying ext4 to ext3 or vice versa -- same drive in each case.
[01:27] <DanaG> er, same two physical drives, rather.
[01:27]  * cwillu coughs, and repeats himself :p
[01:27] <DanaG> What, that page touting "awesome performance"?
[01:27] <DanaG> I hardly call bringing the system grinding to a halt... "awesome".
[01:27] <cwillu> of their commercial version of ntfs-3g
[01:28] <DanaG> oh.   I could ditch native Windows once and for all.
[01:29] <DanaG> That's about the last native Windows sort of thing I keep around: games.
[01:30] <DanaG> ughm now it's down to 4 megs per second.
[01:30] <BUGabundo> DanaG: have you emailed the Manufacture and let them know about it?
[01:30] <DanaG> What manufacturer?
[01:30] <DanaG> s/what/which/
[01:31] <DanaG> Well, now at least it's un-bogged.... but it's still going slowly.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> DanaG: the one for the games
[01:32] <DanaG> Valve is the manufacturer of most of them.
[01:32] <DanaG> Or rather, "Producer"
[01:32] <DanaG> because "manufacturer" implies "hardware" to me.
[01:32] <BUGabundo> not to me
[01:32] <BUGabundo> but ok
[01:32] <BUGabundo> so, have you ?
[01:33] <DanaG> Not sure what good that'd do.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> have you let them know you want to aquire their software but you need for it to run on Linux ?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> DanaG: its like using a BTS
[01:33] <DanaG> I already own the games, actually.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> what good is you know a bug and not report it to the dev?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> do you want him to guess?
[01:33] <BUGabundo> this is the same
[01:34] <BUGabundo> who will "producer" ever change or support Linux, if nobody tells them?
[01:34] <BUGabundo> and just complain on IRC and linux MLs, and wine forums?
[01:36] <DanaG> well, glad to know I'm not the only one finding ntfs-3g to be sluggish.
[01:37] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:37] <BUGabundo> isn't the entire world?
[01:38] <DanaG> Well, at least I'm not using ntfs-3G over USB... that'd be ouch² (ouch squared).
[01:38] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I do....
[01:39] <BUGabundo> worse
[01:39] <BUGabundo> I do usb 2 usb
[01:39]  * DanaG uses eSATA.  :)
[01:39] <BUGabundo> well time for bed! cu tomorrow
[01:39] <DanaG> Tue May 26 17:39:54 PDT 2009
[01:39] <DanaG> what's your time zone?
[01:40] <BUGabundo> Wed May 27 01:40:42 WEST 2009
[01:41] <BUGabundo> need to get up at 7am and do 80Km for out side work
[01:41] <DanaG> WEST?  Hmm, I have no clue where that is.  But yeah, have a good sleep, given the time.  :)
[01:41] <BUGabundo> GMT
[01:41] <BUGabundo> Portugal
[01:42] <BUGabundo> or is it GMT +1 due to Summer time?
[01:42] <BUGabundo> bah
[01:42] <BUGabundo> don't disctract me eheh
[02:11] <DanaG> Mmm, now just 3 megs per second.
[02:19] <cwillu> DanaG, copying to or from?
[02:20] <cwillu> if from, might remount using the kernel ntfs driver, probably faster
[02:20] <DanaG> From one to another.
[02:21] <DanaG> Anyway, it finally finished.  I don't often do huge file transfers like that, thankfully -- but it still sucks that it... sucks... so badly when I do do such file transfers.
[02:21] <cwillu> same physical drive you said?
[02:21] <cwillu> wonder if it would have been faster to copy to an ext partition first, and then bounce that back to the destination
[02:23] <DanaG> Different drive source and destination.
[02:23] <DanaG> What I meant by "same drive" was this:
[02:24] <DanaG> Source has ntfs and ext3, destination has ntfs and ext4.  copying ntfs->ntfs is slow either direction, but ext3<->ext4 is just fine.
[02:25] <JorgeJorgesson> I've tried to use vbox guest additions with 9.10 but all it does is corrupt my system and I have to reinstall.  Anyone get it to work?
[02:26] <cwillu> DanaG, just thinking that there may be contention inside the ntfs driver itself, and so copying ntfs -> either ext, and after copying ext back to the target ntfs might give a dramatic improvement in time
[02:26] <cwillu> i.e., the difference between copying directly at 3mb/s vs making an extra copy, but the whole process running at 50mb/s instead.
[02:27] <DanaG> I don't know if I have enough spare space to do that.
[02:27] <DanaG> I'd be fine with it dividing down to 25 megs per second.... but going down to 5 is rather horrible.  And then it brings the rest of the system to its knees with iowait.
[02:28] <DanaG> Bare benchmarks on the drives are 100 down to 70 on external, and 70 down to 40 on internal.
[02:28] <DanaG> That's sequential read speeds with hdtach in windows.
[02:29] <DanaG> Granted, the internal one probably IS rather horribly fragmented.
[02:29] <cwillu> you were going internal -> external?
[02:29] <DanaG> Other way around, in this case.  External is eSATA.
[02:29] <DanaG> And "100 down to 70" is "100 at start of drive, 70 at end of drive"
[02:30] <cwillu> ah, ya, the fragmentation alone might be accountable for that performance then
[02:32] <DanaG> I find it funny (and irritating) how few sites benchmark Linux boot on the SSDs they test.
[02:32] <DanaG> Not even Phoronix benchmarks booting!
[02:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, anything about UEFI / grub2 in UDS?
[02:33] <DanaG> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ocz_vertex_ssd
[02:33] <DanaG> Note lack of benchmark of boot time.  How irritating.
[02:45] <DanaG> heh, I replaced my touchstick cap with ... an eraser.
[02:46] <DanaG> damn, not durable enough to stay intact.
[02:47] <cwillu> I miss suspend
[02:48]  * cwillu curses, empty xorg.0.log.old file :/
[02:50] <DanaG> argh, need new touchstyk cap.
[02:50] <DanaG> oh, and: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=5&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fubuntu%2F%2Bsource%2Fgsynaptics%2F%2Bbug%2F268506&ei=b5wcSsjiKZqQswPFwOCSDw&usg=AFQjCNElccvRmvBWspCYFctx2mlE10gF7w&sig2=Y4R5sNEouMQOj2tjI8LewQ
[02:50] <DanaG> er
[02:50] <DanaG> damn googlified link.
[02:51] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsynaptics/+bug/268506
[02:58] <DanaG> whose bright idea was it to break out the stick as a separate, non-configurable device, rather than leaving it a slave of the pad?
[02:58] <DanaG> Some great idea that was/
[02:58] <DanaG> .
[03:08] <cwillu> is there an easy way to attach a file to an existing bugreport from the command line?
[03:18] <cwillu> and whoever wrote "assert k.replace('.', '').isalnum()" in problem_report.py:479 needs to think about the implications of replacing every character with "" ... :(
[03:21] <crdlb> every character?
[03:21] <cwillu> that's what '.' does :p
[03:21] <crdlb> that's not regex
[03:21] <cwillu> you're right
[03:21]  * cwillu smacks head
[03:21] <cwillu> it's still wrong though
[03:22] <cwillu> dashes and underscores are used, and they don't match isalnum
[03:22] <cwillu> i.e., apport-collect -p xorg fails right now
[04:09] <DanaG> hmm, I tried the xinput2 PPA.... it didn't fix my high keycodes.
[04:10] <DanaG> And it broke my touchpad.  :(
[04:10] <DanaG> Luckily, my Koala is on a spare drive, not my primary drive.  =þ
[05:56] <shadeslayer> anyone who has kde 4.3 and 9.10 karmic??
[05:57] <shadeslayer> anyone who has karmic??
[05:59] <Stupendoussteve> Probably most of the people in here :D
[06:00] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: ok can you tell me how often it crashes?? im thinking of installing
[06:01] <Stupendoussteve> It doesn't crash often. Package updates have been known to break it.
[06:02] <Stupendoussteve> If you can't deal with not having a functional GUI because the new HAL package is broken for a day, you might not want to use Karmic
[06:02] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: ok.....just thinking of installing :)
[06:02] <shadeslayer> ah......
[06:02] <Stupendoussteve> they try to avoid it but things happen
[06:03] <shadeslayer> actually the main problem is that i cant get KDE 4.3 in Jaunty
[06:04] <Stupendoussteve> It's not in Karmic yet
[06:05] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: actually it is :)
[06:05] <Stupendoussteve> Not according to packages.ubuntu.com
[06:05] <Stupendoussteve> Does it have a different name?
[06:05] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: it says so on kubuntu.org
[06:07] <Stupendoussteve> That's 4.3 beta, btw. I don't know what the package names are
[06:08] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: yes,its probably kde-nightly or something simialr,just check apt-cache search kde-nightly
[06:10] <Stupendoussteve> Whoops :)
[06:10] <Stupendoussteve> No such package btw
[06:11] <shadeslayer> bleh
[06:42] <Amaranth> Stupendoussteve: It's just the KDE packages, but 4.3 beta version
[06:43] <Amaranth> no special naming
[06:43] <Stupendoussteve> Then the site is out of date :)
[06:43] <Amaranth> of course KDE is junk anyway so...
[06:43]  * Amaranth runs
[06:43] <Stupendoussteve> hehe
[07:43] <shadeslayer> Stupendoussteve: you there??
[07:44] <shadeslayer> can i mount the downloaded ISO from my HD and then upgrade using that as the alternate CD??
[07:46] <shadeslayer> bug1
[07:46] <shadeslayer> bug 1
[07:47] <shadeslayer> "P
[08:03] <druid_of_system> hi everyone
[08:17] <shadeslayer> hal is broken right??
[08:20] <shadeslayer> ill leave that out in the updates then :P
[08:28] <shadeslayer> anyone here??
[08:29] <SwedeMike> people will reply if they see your message and know something
[08:29] <shadeslayer> SwedeMike: i did post my message earlier...
[08:30] <shadeslayer> can i update via mounting the ISO ??
[08:31] <SwedeMike> as I said, there is no use in posting it again, when people see it they will reply.
[08:32] <shadeslayer> ok
[08:32] <shadeslayer> the ISO will be done downloading in 7 min :P
[08:41] <shadeslayer> done..i see a script for updating...ill verify md5 first
[09:12] <peterz> does ubuntu ship debuginfo package like fedora does?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> peterz: its in the repo
[09:13] <peterz> what are they called?
[09:13] <peterz> say, I'm looking for the debug symbols of gnu-make
[09:14] <shadeslayer> peterz: they will have -dbg in the end
[09:15] <peterz> shadeslayer: right, then I might be missing a repo because make-dbg isn't a known package here
[09:16] <shadeslayer> peterz: maybe...maybe not
[09:16] <shadeslayer> one sec
[09:16] <shadeslayer> !info gnu-make-dbg
[09:16] <peterz> !info make-dbg
[09:17] <peterz> whee
[09:17] <shadeslayer> peterz: try to fish in PM...also try !find package
[09:17] <peterz> anyway, say it did exists, would it install crap in /usr/lib/debug/ like fedora does
[12:09] <Zodiarche> hello
[12:09] <Zodiarche> have a problem with the sound. when i start ubuntu i have no sound. the welcome sound at login screen comes. but when i want to hear music on banshee or rythmbox or other applications it is muted, dont know why
[12:12] <Zodiarche> no one some idea?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[16:06] <charlie-tca> Hello, BluesKaj
[16:08] <BluesKaj> hi charlie-tca
[16:12] <lubomir> hello. is there a 9.10 live cd?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> lubomir, Alpha 1 Released: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1
[16:17] <lubomir> BluesKaj, have the server or alternative version graphical bootup to "just use" it as live cd?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> live cds are usually only avaialble after the release is "official" and ou tof the testing phase afaik
[16:21] <BluesKaj> I upgraded thru the internet and adding the source repos to my sources.list thenupgrading as it expalins on the above URL
[16:21] <lubomir> BluesKaj, did you know an other live cd with kernel version 30 and networkmanager 0.7.1?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> no
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I try not to get too far ahead
[17:18] <v6lur> estonian translation is totally broken in kubuntu kk
[17:19] <v6lur> plus, estonian couldn't be selected as locale during setup
[17:25] <BluesKaj> v6lur, install language-support-et
[17:25] <v6lur> BluesKaj: i didn't say missing. i said broken
[17:25] <BluesKaj> purge/remove and reinstall
[17:25] <v6lur> half the strings on screen are in english
[17:26] <v6lur> plus stuff like & instead of underscore
[17:26] <v6lur> in menus
[17:26] <v6lur> underline*
[17:26] <Pici> Is the translation finished in rosetta? or does the package just not contain what should be there?
[17:27] <v6lur> dunno, it's fine in e.g. mandriva (cooker)
[17:32] <Pici> v6lur: Doesn't look like translations have opened for Karmic yet.
[17:32] <Pici> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic
[17:32] <Pici> I don't know a lot about the translations workflow, so I'm not sure if this is normal for this stage in the release cycle.
[19:06] <kklimonda> Does Empathy in KK support appending to notification bubble already?
[20:48] <kklimonda> is KK going to have X.Org 7.5?
[20:49] <kklimonda> was it even in plans before it has been delayed?
[21:40] <mrwes> \o/ I have sound today!
[21:41] <BUGabundo> yep there's a PA update
[21:41] <BUGabundo> have to reboot to enjoy it
[21:41] <mrwes> I realized that
[21:41] <sagredo> hi friends. does anyone know a way to turn on/off  notifications?
[21:42] <mrwes> install Ibex
[21:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: +1
[21:46] <BUGabundo> sagredo: or gnome straciatela session
[21:47] <mrwes> I for one, like the notifications -- hopefully we'll get some customization in Karmic
[21:47] <mrwes> e.g. -- location, size, color. etcc
[21:47] <BUGabundo> mrwes: they do
[21:47] <BUGabundo> see the BP
[21:48] <mrwes> yah so I've read
[21:49] <samd> i want to help on testing/doing whatever i can do to help develop karmic koala, is it safe to install it in the same hdd as my main instalation? or should i install on a separate hdd?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> samd: NO
[21:51] <mrwes> samd, hrmm...that's a personal choice
[21:51] <BUGabundo> it can and will cause breakage
[21:51] <mrwes> you could put in in a VB
[21:51] <BUGabundo> you are expected to be able to get your self out of trouble
[21:51] <mrwes> me I didn't care and upgrade to the alpha from Jaunty
[21:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:51] <mrwes> reinstalling to me is not biggie
[21:52] <BUGabundo> mrwes: as you know I did it even before alpha
[21:52] <mrwes> no*
[21:52] <mrwes> heh
[21:52] <mrwes> shrug...
[21:52] <mrwes> however, I only did it so I could come in here and bitch when things are broken
[21:52] <mrwes> heh
[21:53] <BUGabundo> you missed us, admit
[21:53] <samd> BUGabundo: yeah, i get my way around problems, installing in virtualbox sounds like a good choice
[21:53] <mrwes> Normally, I don't put anything on my HDD until RC
[21:53] <mrwes> but I must have been drinking too much Scotch and didn't care this time
[21:53] <BUGabundo> LOL
[21:54] <samd> mrwes: yeah, i think ill install it in VB, lol
[21:54] <samd> lol
[21:54] <mrwes> samd, well if you have a big enough HDD, you could setup a 'testing' partition and put it on there
[21:55] <samd> mrwes: ill do that, after my new SSD arrives
[21:55] <samd> ill use this drive for testing/backup
[21:55]  * BUGabundo is envious of "new SSDs
[21:55] <mrwes> I've been using the 'upgrade' feature as of lately -- trying to see if it actually works :)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> samd: feel free to send me the old ones
[21:55] <mrwes> how big of an SSD did you get?
[21:56] <samd> mrwes: 80gig
[21:56] <mrwes> newegg had some good prices as of late
[21:56] <mrwes> hrmm.. how much $$
[21:56] <samd> ya, intel x-25m 80 gig, 324 usd
[21:56] <mrwes> I just put a 1TB eSATA on my server
[21:56] <mrwes> ouch
[21:57] <samd> mrwes: its a bit extensive, i could get a cheaper one, but i read intel had the best ones, the fasters, and the more reliable talking about wear
[21:57] <BUGabundo> samd: I read the sam
[21:57] <BUGabundo> *same
[21:58] <mrwes> ic
[21:58] <samd> BUGabundo: yeah, thats why i droped a little more $$ on the intel
[21:58] <mrwes> certainly more $$ than my new eSATA drive :)
[21:58] <samd> mrwes: yeah
[21:58] <mrwes> :)
[21:58] <samd> mrwes: how much u dropeed
[21:59] <mrwes> $84, for a WD and I put it inside a Roswell enclosure w/ a fan
[21:59] <mrwes> hundie total maybe
[21:59] <samd> mrwes: nice, how much rpm?
[22:00] <mrwes> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317
[22:01] <mrwes> 32mb cache
[22:01] <Pici> !offtopic
[22:01] <mrwes> come on...no one else is even talking...
[22:01] <mrwes> sigh
[22:01] <Pici> So? Whats wrong with joining #ubuntu-offtopic and talking there?
[22:02] <samd> mrwes: good deal
[22:02] <samd> Pici: ight, sorry
[22:02] <mrwes> nuttin
[22:02] <mrwes> funny how sometimes you can come in here and ask a legitimate question -- dead silence
[22:03] <mrwes> mention something OT and b00m
[22:03] <mrwes> lots of activity :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[22:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:03] <samd> mrwes:  yah lol, well i came asking a legitime question
[22:03] <mrwes> samd, welp -- you set me up with OT questions
[22:04] <samd> :p
[22:04] <mrwes> Pici: have you noticed since Jaunty that the notification area does not resize when icons are removed?
[22:04] <mrwes> Pici: kinda looks like swiss cheese up there sometimes
[22:04] <mrwes> they should slide right or left when icons leave the area
[22:05] <mrwes> any plans to fix that?
[22:05] <mrwes> @)
[22:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: works for me
[22:06] <mrwes> hrmm...
[22:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: samd: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please
[22:09] <mrwes> BUGabundo, just killed Evolution and that time the notificaiton area slide left like it should
[22:10] <BUGabundo> mrwes: #ubuntu-diskspeed if you please
[22:10] <mrwes> so polite
[22:15] <druupy> updatEd to 9.1 and now my E kEy will only work if I usE shift
[22:15] <druupy> gEt this, EvEn thE virtual kEyboard won't do it!
[22:16] <BUGabundo> druupy: ROLG
[22:16] <BUGabundo> you are going to kill me eheheeh
[22:17] <druupy> plEasE this problEm is crippling mE!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> druupy: its true? not a joke?
[22:18] <druupy> NO JOKE
[22:18] <druupy> shift E works
[22:18] <druupy> lowEr casE doEsn't
[22:19] <druupy> i don't think its a krnl issuE as I still havE thE krnl from 8.x
[22:19] <BUGabundo> druupy: stupid question: is it jammed?
[22:19] <druupy> shift works
[22:20] <druupy> shift-E
[22:20] <BUGabundo> does a LiveCD reproduce it ?
[22:20] <druupy> i updatd intrnt
[22:20] <druupy> not by livEcd
[22:20] <druupy> thE kEy works up until th login managEr taks my password (which has a E in it)
[22:21] <druupy> AFTER that, it stops working
[22:22] <druupy> is thErE a kEyboard mapping in X/gnom/KDE?
[22:22] <BUGabundo> seems you found a bug
[22:23] <BUGabundo> better report it
[22:23] <BUGabundo> but don't exepct much attention until before the end of the week/uds
[22:23] <druupy> i havE no way to rEproducE it, only on PC
[22:23] <druupy> 2 macs, onE PC
[22:24] <BUGabundo> can you get a daily iso, put it onto usb and test again?
[22:24] <druupy> having no othr choicE i'll havE to
[22:24] <druupy> i was hoping this was a known bug
[22:26] <BUGabundo> druupy: this have been calm all week
[22:27] <arand> druupy: can you use onboard to produce versal e ?
[22:28] <druupy> ?
[22:28] <druupy> xplain
[22:28] <BUGabundo> arand: he already said he can't
[22:28] <druupy> if you mEan virt-kb no
[22:29] <druupy> it won't work Eithr
[22:30] <arand> oh, yea saw that post just now...
[22:30] <druupy> http://pastebin.com/m4af48eb4
[22:30] <druupy> whn I click E with xEv running
[22:34] <BUGabundo> what damn.. I have audio in flash if I don't put it above 50%
[22:34] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:34] <BUGabundo> 2 weeks ago I only had , if volume was above 65%
[22:48]  * Twigathy giggles at the 'E' problem upchannel, poor druupy c_c
[22:48] <druupy> :P
[22:48] <Twigathy> There's a famous book which does not use the letter E at all
[22:49] <BUGabundo> and there we go OT again
[22:49]  * BUGabundo sits back and reads
[22:49] <Twigathy> OT, but: http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/ :-)
[22:50] <Twigathy> In other news: I saw a kernel update just a few days back, should really test that blkid CPU time munching bug ...
[22:50] <BUGabundo> yesteday I think
[22:50] <mrwes> !ot
[22:51] <BUGabundo> or two days ago
[22:51] <mrwes> :P
[22:51] <BUGabundo> now you are tanting us Bill?
[22:51] <Twigathy> mrwes: *grin* will bear that in mind next time ;)
[22:51] <mrwes> me?
[22:51] <mrwes> heh
[22:52] <BUGabundo>   https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-grub2
[22:52] <BUGabundo> Grub2 as default
[22:52] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:53] <BUGabundo> " Karmic +1 to drop grub 1?"
[22:53] <BUGabundo>         change menu.lst in grub 1 - with zero timeout and chainload grub2
[22:54] <Twigathy> Any big advantages of grub2 over grub1?
[22:55] <Twigathy> ooo, EFI booting... might have to stuff ubuntu back on the mac..
[22:56] <BUGabundo>     - currently grub cannot boot from /boot for LVM, needs to use lilo.
[22:56] <BUGabundo>     - check if grub2 can boot /boot LVM - and hence remove the need for the lilo on ISO
[22:56] <Twigathy> ahha.
[22:56] <Twigathy> So long as I can keep my initramfs-tools 'boot=nfs' and hack up menu.lst every kernel update I'm cool with anything =)
[22:57] <BUGabundo>  * grub2 EFI/UEFI
[22:57] <BUGabundo>    Mac and x86 PC with EFI support needs checking
[22:59] <BUGabundo>   user holds key - e.g. press shift shows menu, otherwise just continue boot process
[22:59] <BUGabundo> here is one *we* will have to explain to every single user coming by
[23:00] <Twigathy> "Why can't I press escape any more?!"
[23:00] <BUGabundo> better get a factoid ready and have bot auto replying to it
[23:00] <Twigathy> hehe
[23:00] <BUGabundo> eheh Twigathy right
[23:00] <Twigathy> Maybe it'd be worth having esc. as a key you can hit as well as holding shift to save some pain ;)
[23:00] <BUGabundo> but really why change from a very well known to key to an unespected one ?
[23:00] <Twigathy> Goodness knows
[23:01] <bruce89> hello anyway
[23:03] <BUGabundo> hey bruce
[23:03] <BUGabundo> welcome
[23:03] <bruce89> hola
[23:03] <BUGabundo> remmeber: NO OT
[23:03] <BUGabundo> eeh
[23:03] <bruce89> of course, I'll behave
[23:03] <mrwes> Karmic won't mount a DVD
[23:03] <mrwes> [ 5789.917332] hal-storage-mou[7889]: segfault at 0 ip 0804a9f2 sp bfd45d00 error 4 in hal-storage-mount[8048000+7000]
[23:03] <BUGabundo> mrwes: ROFL
[23:03] <BUGabundo> that's just your Disc
[23:03] <mrwes> sigh
[23:03] <BUGabundo> or the gvpau bug
[23:03] <BUGabundo> my log is filled with that
[23:03] <mrwes> uh?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> and all devs are at UDS
[23:04] <BUGabundo> bruce89: fill free to PVT mt
[23:04] <mrwes> sigh
[23:04] <mrwes> needed to handbrake a DVD
[23:04] <mrwes> guess not
[23:05] <mrwes> guess I can do it from the server
[23:05] <mrwes> with vobcopy
[23:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: also bad news: no more vobcopy on KK
[23:06] <mrwes> WTF?
[23:06] <mrwes> come on! you're kiddin' right?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> check packages
[23:06] <mrwes> heh..it's there
[23:06] <BUGabundo> dropped
[23:06] <BUGabundo> mrwes: because you upgrade
[23:06] <BUGabundo> no longer in archive
[23:07] <mrwes> ahh
[23:07] <BUGabundo> *upgraded
[23:07] <mrwes> can I backport ?
[23:08] <maxb> BUGabundo: Huh? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vobcopy
[23:08] <BUGabundo> sure you can
[23:08] <BUGabundo> but if upstream dropped (or debian) for some reason
[23:08] <BUGabundo> maxb: or maybe me my memory is playing tricks on me
[23:08] <kklimonda> it is
[23:08] <BUGabundo> I know at least on DVD copying program was on my to remove list
[23:09] <mrwes> hrmm
[23:09] <mrwes> I can always vobcopy from my server
[23:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it is what?
[23:10] <mrwes> since I can't mount a DVD on KK
[23:10] <mrwes> er
[23:10] <kklimonda> it [your memory] is playing tricks on you ;)
[23:10] <mrwes> I might have to put Jaunty back on then
[23:10] <mrwes> for real
[23:11] <mrwes> weird, the DVD lable shows up, but it's not mounted
[23:12] <mrwes> unknown error
[23:13] <bruce89> best be off before I get banned
[23:14] <BUGabundo> humm newer kerner or NM, is making my 3G much better YAY
[23:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: does it mean you will fight me to the first blood over C-sharp? ;D
[23:22] <BUGabundo> never
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I'm not a Code lover
[23:23] <kklimonda> :)
[23:24] <kklimonda> well, I'm a python lover myself but I can appreciate C# as a language for Linux.. well, Vala would be better..
[23:24] <BUGabundo> so do MONO
[23:24] <BUGabundo> its FOSS
[23:26] <kklimonda> well, when I say C# I think Mono :)
[23:27] <BUGabundo> TORLFNGFE
[23:28] <kklimonda> sure.. what? :D
[23:40] <BUGabundo> just remembered
[23:40] <BUGabundo> Ubuntu policy is to have a *single* prog for each use
[23:41] <BUGabundo> but how will they integrate gwibber?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> akgraner: care to join in ?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> since we already have a client for IMing that handles µblogging
[23:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: pidgin doesn't handle ublogging in default setup
[23:42] <kklimonda> i think ;)
[23:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: also i hope we'll switch to empathy
[23:43] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: sure it does
[23:43] <BUGabundo> jaiku and idenica /laconica have xmpp bots
[23:44] <kklimonda> also gwibber has ugly interface :/
[23:44] <DanaG> I don't like empathy, because I can't use the Windows Pidgin with its logs.  =þ
[23:44] <DanaG> I like to have my logs work for both OSes.
[23:44] <kklimonda> true, i'm comparing all tools to twitterriffic
[23:44] <kklimonda> DanaG: Logs are the reason I've switched to google talk
[23:44] <kklimonda> it keeps them on server :)
[23:45] <kklimonda> empathy has nice VoIP support
[23:45] <kklimonda> well, *any* support is better than none at all ;)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: my pidgin talks over gtalk are also on the server
[23:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: that's why I like it - I can use any client on any OS and all my logs are stored on server. :)
[23:55] <maxb> Purely ooi, what piece of software creates the /tmp/virtual-<user>.<XXXXXX> directories ?
[23:56] <BUGabundo> kdepim ?
[23:57] <maxb> Nope, no KDE stuff installed here, pure GNOME
[23:57] <BUGabundo> can't track it
[23:58] <BUGabundo> anything usefull on the name?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> or is it just a mktemp file?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> no time that can be matched on the logs?


[02:04] <Finetundra> hi folks, why would my logout button not be working?
[02:06] <Unit193> Try checking .cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log?
[02:06] <Unit193> What happens if you invoke lxsession-logout manually?
[02:07] <fishcooker> im on lubuntu 14.04 everytime i press ctrl+al+del .. the system will logout my session forcefully.. how to override this
[02:09] <Finetundra> Unit193: here's the log you wanted: http://pastebin.com/rUKB3S1Y
[02:09] <Finetundra> Unit193: it says that lxsession-login is not installed
[02:10] <Unit193> Not login, logout.
[02:10] <Finetundra> right, that
[02:12] <Finetundra> I installed after installing kubuntu
[02:13] <Finetundra> gah, wrong channel
[02:31] <Finetundra> so right, how do I fix the logout issue?
[03:28] <ianorlin> fishcooker: maybe edit ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml so that it launches lxtask instead of lxsession-defualt task-manager
[03:28] <ianorlin> and then run openbox --rconfigure
[03:31] <fishcooker> i've edited btw .. will i be logged out after i've ran "openbox --rconfigure" .. btw what is lxtask actually, ianorlin?
[03:33] <Unit193> Unless you aren't using the Lubuntu session.
[03:34] <ianorlin> lxtask is the lxde task manager
[16:35]  * lopta waits patiently for lubuntu 15.04 to download.
[19:58] <lopta> Today I tried lubuntu for the first time (on an older Dell laptop). The install seemed to go smoothly but when I try to boot into the OS I get dumped to a grub "rescue mode" prompt.
[19:58] <lopta> I'll have another go.
[20:12] <lopta> Is @LubuntuOfficial the official Lubuntu presence on twitter?
[20:12] <lopta> (as the name suggests)?
[20:17] <ianorlin> lopta: which drive did you install grub to on the laptop or did you use autoresize or entire disk?
[20:17] <pleia2> lopta: @lubuntudesktop is what lubuntu.net links, and it's more active, I don't really know the history/officialness of all the accounts though
[20:17] <ianorlin> that is the twitter account for the comms team
[20:18] <pleia2> ianorlin: which one?
[20:19] <ianorlin> @lubuntuoffical
[20:19] <ianorlin> I don't use twitter though
[20:19] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs#Find_Lubuntu seems to favor @lubuntuofficial, so it seems either way, both accounts are controlled by folks who are associated with lubuntu in some way :)
[20:20] <lopta> ianorlin: I used "entire disk"
[20:20] <lopta> Thanks pleia2
[20:20] <ianorlin> lopta: since you don't have any data I might just reinstall with manual partitioning and crate an ext4 and make sure that your hard drive is chosen for bootloader installation
[20:21] <teward> (unrelated) I think I'm following you on twitter, pleia2 xD
[20:21] <lopta> ianorlin: Thanks. I'm having another go at the installation now. If that doesn't work I'll try manually partitioning.
[20:22] <lopta> I need to divide up my twitter account again. They only let me follow 2,000 people.
[20:24] <lopta> Same thing: I get "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'.
[20:24] <pleia2> teward: I recognize your nick from when I was in PA (I think you might have participated on the mailing list?)
[20:25] <ianorlin> lopta how is the disk you installed attached?
[20:25] <teward> pleia2: yep, still me.  https://launchpad.net/~teward  mostly dabble in server packages now, with my fingerprints over nginx in Ubuntu almost permanently xD
[20:25] <ianorlin> I have gotten that when I install to an external hard drive
[20:25] <lopta> ianorlin: PATA, internal to the laptop.
[20:26] <ianorlin> lopta: does pressing any key allow you to continue?
[20:26] <lopta> ianorlin: No, I get dumped at a grub prompt.
[21:21] <lopta> Experimentally I tried a Xubuntu 14.10 disc that I had sitting around. That one worked but I don't know whether that's because it's Xubuntu or because it's 14.10
[21:21] <lopta> Perhaps I should try lubuntu 14.10.
[21:22] <ianorlin> lopta: although 14.10 ends support near the end of this month and then upgrades become harder
[21:25] <lopta> Right but if I can get it installed and booting, perhaps I can upgrade it in-situ.
[21:30] <lopta> Ugh. Can't find .torrent files for 14.10.
[21:35] <ianorlin> ah yeah that will work
[21:41] <lopta> (only if I can find it ;-)
[21:42] <Unit193> lopta: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/utopic/release/desktop/
[21:42] <Unit193> Though again, I wouldn't since 14.10 is nearing EOL.
[21:43] <lopta> Thanks Unit193
[22:38] <encboot> hello. i have now the 3th time at a friends home following error: lubuntu fills up the boot partition after some time and after that it does not install any updates any more because of space problems
[22:38] <encboot> using 15.04. problem was also there with 14.10
[22:38] <ianorlin> encboot: why are they using a seperate /boot partition?
[22:39] <ianorlin> is this a uefi system ?
[22:39] <encboot> ianorlin: i installed the system. i help them to get away from windows. thats terrible. i am so proud of using linux and the system crashes there every few months!
[22:40] <ianorlin> yeah how much space on the boot partition
[22:40] <encboot> ianorlin: no, its a bios system
[22:40] <ianorlin> IT might be new kernels
[22:40] <encboot> i got called this night. i told them to enter 'df' and tell me how much is been used at the line with 'boot' inside. its 99% used
[22:41] <Unit193> I support ianorlin evaluation.
[22:41] <Unit193> 's
[22:42] <encboot> ~230mb is the default /boot size
[22:42] <encboot> 2mb free now
[22:42] <ianorlin> yeah that is too small how big is the disk?
[22:42] <encboot> ianorlin: 30gb
[22:43] <ianorlin> why would you use a seperate /boot on that small a disk
[22:44] <encboot> ianorlin: i dont setup ANYTHING at install. just follow the installation gui. i say "use whole disk" and then it wipes everything and creates the partitions. i dont setup anything
[22:44] <ianorlin> I don't think entire disk is supposed to setup a seperate /boot
[22:45] <encboot> the hdd is encrypted (installer asks me if it should encrypt). i think it needs then a separate unencrypted /boot with grub inside
[22:46] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:46] <encboot> why the hell does it automaticly create a /boot in a size that is ben KNOWN that its too small?!
[22:47] <ianorlin> I don't have a production system with a 30 GB disk that I use with disk encryption
[22:47] <encboot> the people now are telling me that their windows xp with truecrypt never had any problems at updating.
[22:48] <encboot> ianorlin: its only for writing text and surfing the web. 20gb are still free.
[22:49] <ianorlin> encboot: I think it makes the size based off the size of the disk
[22:49] <encboot> ianorlin: then there should be a min size
[22:49] <encboot> something like if hdd smaller then x, then always use size y of boot
[22:49] <Unit193> Mine takes ~60MB.
[22:49] <ianorlin> also I currenlty use less than that for my boot it is probably with that big a disk and kernel updates you need to run sudo apt-get autoremove
[22:50] <encboot> ianorlin: the people dont use command line. they also never used command line on windows. the just want to use their webbrowser and libreoffice
[22:51] <ianorlin> or maybe put in the autoremove as a root cronjob weekly or something
[22:51] <ianorlin> I think it will need the -y option though
[22:52] <encboot> great solution :( . is there any other small distro that dont kills himself by creating a too tiny /boot and filling it up after a month and then break the whole updater?
[22:53] <ianorlin> as if you set up that cron job it will run in the backgournd
[22:54] <encboot> cant you implement that inside the next lubuntu nightly so that there is finally a normal working installation iso?
[22:55] <encboot> and then this bug is finally fixed with lubuntu 15.10
[22:56] <encboot> its really critical. normal users install the system and then suddenly dont get critical security updates because of such thing
[22:57] <ianorlin> encboot: I don't think many normal users use full disk encryption
[22:58] <encboot> its beening asked for at installation. windows also dont die after a month because and fail then every update when you use truecrypt
[22:59] <encboot> its no modification i did to the installation media or something like that. just the functionality of the installer is been used
[23:00] <Unit193> LP 1357093
[23:04] <encboot> ianorlin: your idea with autoremove: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/comments/10
[23:05] <encboot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093/comments/15
[23:06] <encboot> its exactly what i am telling: Same problem as indicated above on 14.04 LTS. Why are "old" kernels left on a drive that is too small to begin with? Thank you in advance for fixing it. If fix would allow to expand partition (at least double it) and remove "old" kernels, this would be great!
[23:10] <encboot> Unit193: it would be great if you could help fixing this bug
[23:12] <encboot> why is such a critical thing not fixed since 1 year? it seems to affect every ubuntu based system


[12:45] <dfarning> a little cleaner partial results page is up
[12:52] <asac> n8
[01:06] <gnomefreak> only here for a moment to pick up some stuff. im a daddy :)
[01:07] <AlexLatchford> Night people
[01:07] <AlexLatchford> PS. Congrats John
[01:07] <AlexLatchford> :)
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:07] <gnomefreak> night
[01:07] <gnomefreak> ill be gone for a day or so i think :) but ill leave irc up
[01:08] <asac> gnomefreak: take care ;)
[01:09] <asac> gnomefreak: you became daddy recently?
[01:09] <gnomefreak> today
[01:09] <gnomefreak> ;)
[01:09] <asac> gnomefreak: you are so crazy ... go away :)
[01:09] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:10] <asac> congrats too of course ... and only the best for your new family
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49478 in mozilla-thunderbird "thunderbird warning on installation (breezy)" [Low,Confirmed]
[02:16] <dfarning> jhnjwng, nice
[02:22] <jhnjwng> david, do we need to change the bug status?
[02:22] <dfarning> jhnjwng, I'll take a look
[02:23] <jhnjwng> thanks
[02:28] <dfarning> we are no longer going to be using debian us upstream so that fixes from debian will not flow down to us.  I think that we need to see if it fixed in mozilla
[02:28] <dfarning> asac would know the real answer to that question
[02:29] <jhnjwng> I will follow up with asac.
[02:29] <dfarning> try asking him on the mailing list I am insrested in learning how we are going to handle this
[02:30] <jhnjwng> will do.
[02:30] <dfarning> jhnjwng, thanks
[02:47] <dfarning> jhnjwng, if you are look for some starter bug there is a list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper/Results
[03:24] <dfarning> hey Admiral_Chicago
[04:10] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there dfarning
[04:10] <dfarning> how did the comp go
[04:11] <Admiral_Chicago> it was busy and we didn't go as in depth as we would like but it was a good experience
[04:12] <dfarning> are you on the agenda for tomarrow morning
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> yup, as of 3 minutes ago
[04:12] <Admiral_Chicago> i kept forgetting to save changes
[04:13] <dfarning> I was thinking you were chickening out;)
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> nah, i'll be there
[04:13] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm waiting to try out the new LP page
[04:14] <dfarning> did you look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Bughelper/Results?highlight=%28CategoryMozillaTeam%29 pretty cool
[04:15] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i saw it in the channel but i had to do other things
[04:18] <Admiral_Chicago> nice link
[04:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to close old bugs when I get back, expect emails from me
[04:20] <dfarning> I'll brace myself against the wave of bug spam
[04:20] <dfarning> good night
[04:52] <Admiral_Chicago> okay LP is being odd. i'll do bugs tomorrow
[06:12] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: mozilla team bugs ML works now
[06:15] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems
[10:32] <asac> anyone here :) ?
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> i ma asac
[11:39] <asac> hello
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> how is it going
[11:49] <asac> fine ... despite that i wiped parts of my home directory a few minutes ago :)
[11:50] <asac> :(
[11:52] <Admiral_Chicago> so good
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> orr no
[11:53] <Admiral_Chicago> not good
[12:15] <asac> yeah its a mess
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> what happened?
[12:20] <asac> long story ... I setup chroot ... mounted home bind
[12:20] <asac> and then rm -r
[12:20] <asac> :)
[12:20] <Admiral_Chicago> oh yes i read you destroyed your feisty chroot
[12:23] <asac> yes ... though this one was a breezy one
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> :( breezy....
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> that's when I started using Ubuntu
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: ping, are you awake?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> im home i got lucky if your not up before i have to leave ill leave my comments with htem
[01:03] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, well leave your comments, I had a question to ask...which I promptly forgot...
[01:04] <gnomefreak> ill be here for a little while so feel free to remember
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, is there a mozillateam-bugs on LP gnomefreak ?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> no
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i looked to assign bugs to that team but it wont let us yet
[01:04] <gnomefreak> when i get home for good i will work on it
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> ah okay, i thought the mozillateam on LP was just being forwarded to mozillateam-bugs
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> okay, go do whatever you have to do.
[01:05] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i cant post office isnt open yet
[01:05] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, i see.
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> wait you're EST correct?
[01:06] <gnomefreak> when they ope im heading back to hospital
[01:06] <gnomefreak> open
[01:06] <asac> gnomefreak: why are you still here? :)
[01:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:06] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, it's way too early, i'm CST...
[01:06] <gnomefreak> asac: i just got home lol
[01:06] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: an hour
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i also wanted to ask about this guy. Hjih or something like that
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: yes you're +1 me
[01:07] <gnomefreak> what about him?
[01:07] <Admiral_Chicago> do you know anyone talking to him about membership on the team
[01:08] <gnomefreak> hes been a member
[01:08] <gnomefreak> i thought
[01:08] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: hjmf?
[01:08] <Admiral_Chicago> that's the one
[01:09] <gnomefreak> he is a member
[01:09] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see he has been, okay i wasn't sure
[01:09] <Admiral_Chicago> good, we need more people anyways
[01:12] <gnomefreak> that was easy :)
[01:12] <Admiral_Chicago> ty john
[01:16] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:17] <gnomefreak> btw thats mark
[01:17] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i know. didn't want to flood the channel
[01:38] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you have your speach ready?  speach == lack of a better word
[01:38] <Admiral_Chicago> yes, short intro.
[01:39] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: i've got one done.
[01:39] <gnomefreak> just make sure it has you wiki and LP page in it :)
[01:40] <Admiral_Chicago> oh okay let me grab those
[01:52] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: ok from me you are set just get others asac AlexLatchford david and any others would be good
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> AlexLatchford dfarning and asac, you heard the man
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> if you are around, please come to #ubuntu-meeting to cheer me on
[01:53] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:53] <gnomefreak> ok im off :)
[01:53] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: thanks a lot
[01:54] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:56] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: when is it?
[01:57] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: now. we are going to get to the new members in a few minutes
[01:57] <Admiral_Chicago> #ubuntu-meeting
[01:59] <asac> we have a meeting?
[01:59] <Admiral_Chicago> CC does.https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[02:01] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: did the round on new members already started (sorry, but I couldn't follow so far ... will do so in a minute)
[02:03] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: not yet.
[02:10] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: starting soon for new members
[02:11] <dfarning> I'm joining now
[02:11] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[02:15] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: i hope i have any say at all :) ... I have to be added to developer team too first - hopefully today :)
[02:16] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: they suggest bringing a fan club which speeds up the process
[02:16] <asac> hehe ... ok :)
[02:40] <AlexLatchford> meh
[02:40] <AlexLatchford> whats up?
[02:41] <Admiral_Chicago> not much, waiting for this membership to go through
[02:41] <AlexLatchford> u been discussed yet?
[02:46] <Admiral_Chicago> no, i'm last of 8 iirc
[02:47] <Admiral_Chicago> 6 more between me and current person
[02:47] <AlexLatchford> oh right ok
[02:49] <dfarning_> should be enough time to toast a bagel and spread a bit of cream cheese...But I'll check back back before I pour my juice;)
[02:49] <Admiral_Chicago> tons of time
[02:51] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: how long?
[02:51] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: an least another 20 i'd say
[02:51] <asac> how many applications left before you?
[02:52] <dfarning_> 5 or 6
[02:52] <asac> ups
[02:52] <asac> k
[03:26] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning_ asac and AlexLatchford, i'm next
[03:27] <AlexLatchford> coolio
[03:27] <Admiral_Chicago> if you want to go and make me look good, that would be great :)
[03:29] <asac> k
[03:31] <dfarning_> I am ready to hit ctrl-v with a blurb
[03:32] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm ready to go back to bed. had to wake up at 5.30 to make sure i was ready
[03:34] <Admiral_Chicago> :) okay
[03:45] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: congrats ... I think you made it, didn't you?
[03:45] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: waiting on sabdfl, he is impressed with our team very much
[03:45] <asac> why should he then vote -1 ?
[03:46] <Admiral_Chicago> no, he just needs to give the word
[03:50] <asac> done
[03:50] <asac> ok ... going out for late lunch :)
[03:50] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks dfarning_ and asac !
[03:50] <asac> i am almost starving now as it took so long :)
[03:51] <Admiral_Chicago> lol, i have a class to get too.
[03:51] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: keep up the good work ;)
[03:51] <Admiral_Chicago> will do asac. gotta run to class
[03:51] <dfarning_> congrats
[03:51] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks a lot
[04:15] <asac> dfarning_: you there ? can you subscribe mozillateam to enigmail bugs too?
[04:23] <dfarning_> asac, what are you some sort of glutton for punishment;)
[04:23] <dfarning_> will do
[04:24] <asac> what did i do?
[04:24] <asac> punish?
[04:25] <dfarning_> subscribed
[04:26] <asac> dfarning_: sorry, I am not a native speaker so I might have missed the point/irony :/
[04:27] <dfarning_> I am a native speaker and still often miss the point or joke
[04:27] <asac> fortunately :)
[04:28] <asac> but maybe its because you chat with non-native speakers ;)
[04:29] <dfarning_> I didn't realize that you are the debian thunderbird guy!
[04:29] <asac> hehe :)
[04:29] <asac> yeah ... one of the crimes i did :)
[04:30] <asac> not anymore ... now I am icedove maintainer :)
[04:31] <asac> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/121-a-new-face-for-Icedove.html
[04:31] <dfarning_> opps
[04:33] <dfarning_> once we get the triage mess under control I'm looking forward starting to work on patching
[04:34] <akruth> hi!
[04:34] <asac> yeah ... good to here ... but I have the feeling that bug triage will hunt us for quite some time :)
[04:34] <akruth> i am using thunderbird 1.5 with a profile on my usb stick
[04:34] <akruth> it always forgets the columns i selected
[04:34] <akruth> what can i do?
[04:35] <Admiral_Chicago> akruth: define columns
[04:35] <dfarning_> asac, especilly when you keep requesting that we add more packages to our big list
[04:35] <akruth> in the message view, i can select sender, receiver, size, date and so on
[04:36] <dfarning_> s/big/bug/
[04:36] <akruth> from the list of messages
[04:36] <Admiral_Chicago> akruth: it forgets the columns after you unplug the stick?
[04:36] <asac> dfarning_: enigmail is mostly care free :) ... just good to have it under the mozillateam umbrella :)
[04:36] <akruth> no, after restarting thunderbird
[04:36] <akruth> i tried to delete xul.mfasl
[04:37] <akruth> but it doesn't help
[04:37] <Admiral_Chicago> akruth: hmm, i'd say that is just a limitation of the portability
[04:37] <dfarning_> I'm off to work on apport hooks
[04:37] <dfarning_> yell if you need anything
[04:37] <asac> i remember a bug about usb sticks ... don't know if its this issue
[04:38] <asac> akruth: does it work for you if you don't put the profile on usb mass-storage?
[04:38] <asac> dfarning_: ty
[04:38] <akruth> while i don't unplug it, it is like a ordinary hard-disk
[04:38] <Admiral_Chicago> can someone run me through working with symbolized crashes?
[04:39] <asac> ask if you need specific infos ... there is not much one can give as asummary other than you can try to figure out duplicates why matching similar stack traces
[04:39] <akruth> asac, wait a moment, i have to test that
[04:39] <asac> s/why/by/
[04:40] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: then you can try to find upstream crash reports that contain the same backtraces
[04:42] <Admiral_Chicago> no no, i mean say i find a bug report with symbolised report. where do i go from there
[04:42] <akruth> it doesn't matter if it is on hd or usb
[04:43] <asac> akruth: then you have some other problem. Do you still use a special directory for profile or the default one (.e.g. .mozilla-thunderbird)?
[04:43] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: maybe show me an example bug ... maybe I can explain something then
[04:44] <akruth> asac, this is my directory: /media/ALEX-USB/Thunderbird-Profil
[04:44] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: i don't have one, i'll let you know when I do. perhaps I shouldn't speak in generalities
[04:44] <asac> search for "traced" tag
[04:44] <asac> there should be plenty that need to be evaluated and raised to confirmed level if info is good.
[04:45] <asac> there are quick links on the wiki for tag-searches
[04:46] <akruth> what does: user_pref("mail.preferences.compose.selectedTabIndex", 2); mean?
[04:47] <asac> akruth: can't tell out of my head ... anyway, can you create a new user account and see if things work as expected if you just run thunderbird (without anything special about the profile) from there?
[04:48] <akruth> asac, with a new profile it works correctly
[04:49] <asac> do if you create a new profile on usb it does not work?
[04:49] <akruth> do you know that user_pref("mail.root.none", ...) is for?
[04:50] <akruth> s/that/what
[04:50] <asac> yes it should contain your path to your standard mail boxes
[04:51] <akruth> there is another with "-rel" appended, which is preferred?
[04:51] <asac> -rel is [ProfD] Mail for me
[04:51] <asac> for you?
[04:52] <akruth> in thunderbird
[04:52] <asac> what do you have in those settings?
[04:54] <akruth> the first one is a wrong absolute path and the second one [ProfD] Mail
[04:54] <asac> akruth: did you import your profile from mozilla once?
[04:54] <asac> akruth: does it help to solve your problems if you fix the absolute one?
[04:55] <akruth> i don't remember, maybe
[04:55] <akruth> i deleted the absolute one and tb is still starting
[04:55] <asac> does it regenerate the absolute one?
[04:55] <akruth> no
[04:56] <akruth> what for is the chrome subfolder?
[04:57] <asac> i guess its a relict of old times ... I don't have it here. iirc, there used to be user installed extension chrome files installed in that place .
[04:57] <akruth> do you think i can safely delete it?
[04:57] <asac> at best make a backup before you do anything
[04:57] <akruth> i did
[04:58] <asac> what path is it at?
[04:58] <akruth> in my profile
[04:59] <asac> somewhere below .../extensions/ ?
[04:59] <asac> or in top-level?
[04:59] <asac> what are the contents of it?
[04:59] <akruth> no directly on top-level
[05:00] <akruth> chrome.rdf, userContent.css and another folder: overlayinfo
[05:00] <akruth> tb starts also without it
[05:00] <asac> sounds old ... try to remove it (if you are sure you have everything backed-.up)
[05:00] <akruth> a lot of thrash in my profile....
[05:00] <asac> what fs do you have on your usb stick?
[05:00] <asac> apparently its pretty old
[05:01] <akruth> fat32
[05:01] <asac> hmmm fat32 allows case sensistive files?
[05:01] <akruth> i hardly don't know
[05:01] <akruth> mount options are:  "rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8"
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> There isn't much we can do with Bug #81896
[05:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81896 in mozilla-thunderbird "adress book crash" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81896
[05:02] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to close it
[05:02] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: right ... no report no processing (for crashers)
[05:03] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: maybe give him a few more days to answer
[05:03] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: but its you to decide that
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> actually no
[05:03] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm going to let them know where the crash may be
[05:03] <asac> thats even better :)
[05:04] <Admiral_Chicago> /var/crash/firefox am I correct?
[05:06] <akruth> is there something obviously wrong with the mount options?
[05:06] <asac> no ... /var/crash/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.xxx for me
[05:07] <asac> akruth: I don't see anything at a glance
[05:07] <asac> akruth: so creating a new profile on usb stick does work?
[05:07] <akruth> yes
[05:07] <asac> and state is remembered?
[05:07] <akruth> ye
[05:07] <akruth> s
[05:08] <akruth> is there a safe way to copy settings from my old profile to a new one?
[05:08] <asac> unfortunately not ... maybe your permissions are messed up ... do an strace -f thunderbird &> /tmp/somelog ... and the log of a complete thunderbird session to some pastbin please
[05:08] <akruth> there are about 250 MB mails, newsgroups and a lot of settings and accounts
[05:09] <asac> s/and the/and put the/
[05:09] <akruth> i am on dapper
[05:09] <asac> that is unlikely to matter
[05:09] <asac> maybe you need to install strace package before
[05:10] <akruth> the logfile is about 7,5 MB
[05:10] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks for the path
[05:10] <asac> akruth: can you grep for ENOENT ?
[05:11] <akruth> please wait
[05:11] <akruth> 1502 lines matched
[05:11] <asac> or upload the complete log to some place of your convenience ?
[05:11] <asac> i think i would need to take a look at the complete log
[05:15] <akruth> where is a good pastebin?
[05:21] <Admiral_Chicago> akruth: pastebin.ca
[05:23] <akruth> i am pasting.........
[05:23] <akruth> i am pasting..................
[05:24] <akruth> i'm anxious
[05:25] <akruth> Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: The paste you submitted was over one megabyte in size. Please trim it down.
[05:25] <akruth> :(
[05:27] <asac> you have no other place to upload the gzipped log?
[05:27] <asac> if not ... submit a bug :)
[05:27] <asac> and attach it there ;)
[05:28] <asac> i have the feeling we have to make a proper bug out of this anyways.
[05:30] <akruth> http://bfpi.de/somelog
[05:42] <asac> hmmm see nothing at a glance
[05:44] <akruth> hansenet?
[05:45] <akruth> bist ja garnicht soweit weg
[05:48] <asac> jo :)
[05:48] <asac> hamburg :)
[05:48] <asac> dammtor um genau zu sein
[05:48] <akruth> ich sitz in wismar :)
[05:49] <asac> naja ... doch ne ganz schoene ecke weg :)
[05:49] <akruth> naja dichter als usa oder so
[05:50] <akruth> ist in datei nichts zu finden?
[05:52] <asac> nicht auf den ersten blick
[05:52] <akruth> schade
[05:52] <asac> vielleicht doch ein setting
[05:52] <akruth> oder was am filesystem
[05:53] <asac> glaube ich nicht ... wenn man das ganze mit einem neuen profil auf dem stick loesen kann
[05:54] <asac> maybe you can confirm the prefs from a fresh profile on stick with the old one that does not work?
[05:54] <asac> s/confirm/compare/
[05:54] <asac> :)
[05:54] <akruth> yes, maybe
[05:54] <akruth> my prefs.js is very long
[05:55] <akruth> i'll try to create a new profile
[05:55] <asac> but maybe its worth a try
[05:55] <asac> to compare
[05:56] <akruth> thx, CU
[05:56] <asac> however you should be able to copy mailfolders over ... though i didn't do that recently
[05:56] <akruth> bye
[06:30] <dfarning> asac, I believe you will find a feature request from mdz in your mailbox.
[06:31] <dfarning> sorry, I was discussing apport and matt turned things around on me;(
[06:33] <Admiral_Chicago> so i confirmed a bug, need to get it working on a new profile to make sure it's not an extension causing it
[06:54] <asac> dfarning: so what does this imply?
[06:55] <dfarning> asac, sorry what does what imply?  I had to reboot and lost the thread.
[06:57] <dfarning> ahhh,  It has to do with adding a report a bug option under the help menu on product we work with.
[07:03] <asac> dfarning: just a link to the submit bug report page?
[09:45] <hjmf> hi
[09:46] <hjmf> what's up with tags? do we won't use anymore retrace, traced... tags?
[09:48] <dfarning> I think not
[09:48] <hjmf> dfarning: ? are the new tags defined to be used with bughelper?
[09:49] <hjmf> sorry I think I've missed the whole issue
[09:49] <dfarning> it seems to make more sense to use the needs tags that asac  has come up with
[09:49] <asac> btw, I added some more content
[09:50] <asac> its a draft and still incomplete
[09:50] <asac> but maybe you want to comment on the structure right away
[09:50] <asac> its currently in Bugs/State iirc
[09:50] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/States?highlight=%28mozillateam%29
[09:51] <dfarning> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Tags
[09:51] <hjmf> I see
[09:51] <dfarning> has the tags that I am using in bughelper
[09:52] <dfarning> asac, have you added more tags?
[09:52] <asac> Tags is the comprehensive page to reference tags ... while state contains the big picture ... e.g. what to do at what state and what tags are valid at what state
[09:52] <asac> some ... anyway, thats open for discussion
[09:52] <asac> not yet to the tag list ... they are named on the state page for the time being
[09:54] <hjmf> great, I now see the picture
[09:54] <dfarning> I like the idea of thinking of the bug resolution process as a state machine
[09:55] <dfarning> that methodilly moves from one state to the next
[09:55] <hjmf> to me that makes a lot of sense
[10:01] <dfarning> asac, to keep the syntax parrall retrace should be changed to needsretrace
[10:04] <dfarning> I also suggest that we add a needsinfo tags to indicate that the issues is waiting for misc information
[10:06] <hjmf> makes sense since the needs info state may also mean 'waiting for work from triagers'. The needsinfo tag will mean need feedback from the user
[10:07] <dfarning> info like version numbers video cards....
[10:09] <asac> dfarning: i am still wondering if we should use a prefix like
[10:10] <asac> mt-needsretrace (e.g. read mozilla team tag: needsretrace)
[10:11] <asac> actually I don't want bugs in state confirmed if we cannot effectively process it
[10:11] <asac> so we need either good traces for crashers
[10:11] <asac> or testers as well as testcases for feature bugs
[10:11] <dfarning> I was wondering about that also
[10:12] <asac> confirm will show: here is all information to evaluate in depth, triage upstream, develop a fix on our own
[10:12] <asac> as soon as we either submit bug upstream or say, yes we know how to implement it, we should take the bug to in progress
[10:13] <asac> there might be different opionion on whether a bug posted upstream is already in progress even though it might be NEW ... but i think from ubuntu pov it is in progress
[10:13] <dfarning> if the state tags are well thought out they should apply across lp
[10:13] <asac> probably ... though it will just makes sense for packages with a high load of bugs
[10:14] <asac> using this workflow for general bug triaging might be difficult, because the actions attached to state/tag  combinations can be quite package specific
[10:14] <asac> but who knows ... establishing a well done workflow in mozilla team allows us to learn a lot ... and maybe we can really find a way to generalize that
[10:15] <dfarning> once we get a version .o1 we can publish a note to the bugsquad for their feed back
[10:16] <asac> yes ... I am in contact with launchpad team as well ... if we find suggestions on how to improve launchpad to support our workflow better,  they appear pretty eager to help us to set things up
[10:17] <dfarning> for confirmed issues we can use pending* tags
[10:18] <dfarning> ie pendingupstreampush, pendinglocialization, pendingbranding
[10:18] <hjmf> pendingupstreampush awful
[10:18] <asac> hehe
[10:18] <hjmf> lol, looks like a german word
[10:19] <dfarning> so devs can quickly pick up bugs they are familar with
[10:19] <asac> for know I am still unsure which tags are needed at confirmed level.
[10:19] <asac> it depends if we will defer upstream triage completely to confirmed state or place that in needs info too
[10:20] <asac> actually at least searching for already known upstream issues is definitly needs info
[10:20] <asac> while pushing upstream is due in confirmed state
[10:21] <asac> imo
[10:21] <dfarning> makes sense
[10:21] <asac> what do you think? We could as well argue that need info is only used as long as informations are needed on our behalf
[10:22] <asac> while all upstream triag belongs to confirmed
[10:23] <hjmf> makes sense, but we need a proper tag to mark as 'searching for known upstream issues'
[10:23] <dfarning> once a bug has been filed upstream it should be moved to inprogess
[10:23] <hjmf> ... in the needs info state
[10:24] <asac> needupstream :)
[10:25] <asac> dfarning: yes that is clear
[10:25] <dfarning> I sure you can add more letter to that if you try;)
[10:26] <asac> i prefer to have tags that are short worded :)
[10:26] <asac> needsomeonetopushthisthingupstreamandsetstatetoinprogress
[10:26] <dfarning> needstobepushedupstream;) no we might be confused with java devs
[10:26] <hjmf> to fit in the browser window
[10:26] <hjmf> or have a wide screen
[10:27] <dfarning> needs info - needsupstream - indicates that some should verify the issues exist upstream
[10:28] <asac> ok ... lets assume we start that way
[10:28] <hjmf> yep
[10:28] <asac> how will it proceded
[10:28] <asac> we have 2 cases
[10:28] <asac> 1. there is a bug upstream
[10:28] <asac> 2. there is no bug upstream
[10:28] <asac> but case 2 is quite tricky as it might as well be difficult to find the appropriate upstream bug on the first run
[10:28] <hjmf> 2. we start a bug upstream
[10:29] <hjmf> ?
[10:29] <asac> have you used bugzilla?
[10:29] <dfarning> confirmed - pendingupstream - indicates a triager with experience with the upsteam tracker
[10:29] <hjmf> asac: no just a search or two
[10:30] <asac> often you need a sleep or two and then you find the proper upstream issue
[10:30] <dfarning> push it upstream
[10:30] <asac> actually if we decide that an issue is upstream, we should take greates care that the bug really is not yet known upstream
[10:30] <asac> otherwise we just waste there time ... and obviously we want to be a good downstream that filters as much duplicates as possible
[10:30] <dfarning> That is one or my main concerns also
[10:30] <asac> s/there/their/
[10:31] <hjmf> agree, you are the expert
[10:31] <dfarning> the best way we can pay back our upstream is to provide good bug reports
[10:32] <asac> we could try to tag something like
[10:32] <asac> findupstream-1 ... findupstream-2 ... findupstream-3 :) ... to do multiple runs at best by different people
[10:33] <hjmf> scary
[10:33] <asac> but for that we would need to add infos on who already did the search ... so this bug will not show up in his task list.
[10:33] <asac> yeah
[10:33] <asac> maybe we can say ... at needs info state we require one search
[10:33] <asac> and triager at confirmed state must do a brief search too
[10:34] <asac> before submitting upstream
[10:34] <dfarning> this is a bit off topic but I am working on developing a relationship with Adobe so we can push good flashplayer bug up to them
[10:34] <asac> in that way we would at least get 2 guaranteed rounds
[10:34] <asac> dfarning: really? great to hear :)
[10:34] <asac> maybe you can say abit about that progress on the next meeting?
[10:35] <hjmf> dfarning: any way to get a flashplayer -dbg package?
[10:36] <asac> hehe .... they might have it and then can use their own -dbg package if they don't want to release it
[10:36] <asac> hjmf: i doubt that they will
[10:36] <hjmf> i knew lol
[10:37] <asac> so did we at least found some consensus on what tags to use for upstream triage at what state?
[10:38] <asac> i would like to introduce needsummary to call for a proper description/title of bugs before they are allowed to enter confirmed state
[10:39] <hjmf> IMHO we should leave in your hands the draft on MozillaTeam/Bugs/States
[10:39] <hjmf> then if a tag doesn't fit we can discuss
[10:40] <asac> ok ... fine with me ... however just stop me if you think this process gets too complicated. I think it will not get much more complexity ... but anyway :)
[10:40] <hjmf> I think that you asac have very clear what to do
[10:41] <hjmf> I love complexity :)
[10:41] <Admiral_Chicago> dfarning: i woud like to push more into that department as well (Adobe upstream)
[10:41] <asac> actually my primary goal is not to keep the complete process really easy. Its more important that we can sort out easy tasks where new contributors can easily get started on
[10:42] <asac> thats why I want to categorize bugs with tags etc.
[10:42] <dfarning> It make me cranky we have flash bugs that are blamed on fx
[10:42] <dfarning> the same process can be used to push bugs up to gnash
[10:42] <hjmf> asac: sure, I'm a needs info triager ;)
[10:42] <dfarning> this irc dicussion moving too fast for my brain;( can I think for a few hours and we'll pick this up again.
[10:43] <asac> sure
[10:43] <dfarning> asac, hjmf  this irc dicussion is moving too fast for my brain;( can I think for a few hours and we'll pick this up again.
[10:43] <dfarning> sorry, lost my connection
[10:43] <asac> will be here tomorrow
[10:43] <hjmf> lads, for me is time to go to bed
[10:43] <hjmf> cy
[10:43] <asac> good night!!
[10:44] <dfarning> good night
[10:44] <hjmf> good nignt
[10:45] <dfarning> Admiral_Chicago, I am also talking with Click and Run to establish a positave relationship with them
[10:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i see, i don't particularly see a need for CNR but I would like healthy relationships with them
[10:47] <asac> CNR?
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> Click and Run
[10:48] <dfarning> Linspire/freespire is going to be shipping products on top of ubuntu
[10:49] <asac> is this official?
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[10:49] <dfarning> it is
[10:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i detest anyone with an enterprise edition, i'm opposed to that idea in any form
[10:50] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: opposed to what idea exactly?
[10:50] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: having to pay for linspire.
[10:52] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: hard to judge ... I don't know their business model
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linspire
[10:52] <Admiral_Chicago> the have Linsprie and Freespire
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> on one hand, they donate millions to Free projects
[10:53] <asac> imo ... in order to fix bug 1 there need to be distributors that somehow take care that oem systems ship with some linux distribution
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:54] <asac> so i am not against it ... though personally i won't pay for it
[10:55] <asac> ... iirc linspire actually tries to find ways to ship systems with gnu/linux preinstalled
[10:55] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it goes against the idea of free software. I like that it is free as in beer, free as in speech
[10:56] <Admiral_Chicago> Jeff Waugh said something along the lines of "a lot of the software we ship we don't write ourselves, so charging for it is ridiculous"
[10:57] <asac> agree ... for me free as in speech matters only. however, thats why i asked about the business model, if they provide end-user support and things like that i am fine with charging a fee.
[10:57] <asac> as long as they obey gpl and other license term, the community still has its benifit from commercial linux vendors
[10:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i like how Red Hat does support
[10:58] <asac> you won't get any security updates when you don't pay your support subscription, right :) ?
[10:58] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm of the belief that people should pay for quality items
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> but I see nonfree formats as inferior. ogg vs. mp3 for example
[10:59] <asac> agree ... but in order to free the world we first have to catch loads of users :)
[11:00] <Admiral_Chicago> we are doing that now though. 8 million in 3 years or something like that.
[11:00] <asac> actually mp3 is the lesser evil ... ms formats focussed on drm is the real evil in this world atm.
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> yea that too. I've heard a lot of people saying they aren't going to use Vista because of the DRM
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> which is why I applaud them
[11:02] <asac> you are jokin?
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> however, I think the biggest problem is getting hardware vendors ship desktops with Ubunut
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: no, my best friend who uses XP said he won't use Vista for that reason
[11:02] <asac> they won't unless they get a margin on it
[11:02] <asac> ah ok ... I thought you applaud people going vista :)
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> aren't is the key word. :)
[11:03] <asac> yeah ... its late here :)
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i have to run
[11:03] <asac> however as soon as people realize that they cannot play music just bought in some webshop they might consider to upgrade
[11:04] <asac> as they don't understand that they sacrifice themselves and get a step closer to hell :)
[11:04] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: ok ... bye
[11:04] <asac> I am off now for real :)


[02:57] <leaeasy> I have uploaded  source to ppa, but nothing happend. Without any error or email-notify.
[03:04] <tsimonq2> leaeasy: what's the terminal output? successful? and how long did you wait?
[03:26] <leaeasy> tsimonq2, I had wait for more than one days， But I had recieved the email notify just now.
[03:27] <tsimonq2> cool :)
[11:49] <Driskell> Hello. Is there a way to "un" Supersede a PPA package? I had a broken PPA dependency fail a build and now the old version is superseded and I would like to restore it as published.
[11:57] <cjwatson> Driskell: Delete the new version, go to "Copy packages" on the PPA in question, change the "Published" filter to "Superseded" so that you can find the old version, select the old version, leave "Destination PPA" and "Destination series" at their defaults of the same PPA and series, select "Copy existing binaries", and press "Copy Packages"
[11:57] <cjwatson> Driskell: This will only work if the old version was superseded fairly recently and hasn't been garbage-collected yet
[12:15] <Driskell> cjwatson: Excellent! Thanks - I hadn't noticed the filter!
[12:16] <cjwatson> np
[13:11] <kyrofa> cjwatson, I managed to get a few successful snaps built with LP over the weekend. Still had about 20% failures though
[13:11] <kyrofa> cjwatson, makes me wonder if it is indeed load-induced
[13:11] <cjwatson> kyrofa: it's a timing thing, I have a trello card now with details on what to do to sort it out
[13:11] <cjwatson> just have had an annoying headache all day and not making much actual progress
[13:12] <kyrofa> cjwatson, ugh, I know how that goes. Glad you know where to go though!  I now have two commits for a changelog [which technically will commit, i.e that latest will fix it, but it is not very pretty, any idea how i can cancel that merge request and do an amend instead? ]
[19:29] <dobey> keiserr: not really a question for launchpad. it has nothing to do with launchpad. bzr doesn't have an amend function though.
[19:31] <keiserr> dobey: exactly my concern am a bit confused how to react without the amend, I ended up making another commit to fix the documentation typo, and hopefully whoever does the merge doesn't get botherred to do 2 merges for one changelog.
[19:32] <dobey> keiserr: technically a second commit is the correct thing to do
[19:33] <keiserr> great! Thanks.
[19:35] <dasjoe> Hey, loading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 gives interesting results. For some people the output is incomplete, only the first and last 40 comments are loaded. For me it is complete, but all meta actions are shown between #40 and #41
[19:36] <dasjoe> Also, the last three comments are spam
[19:41] <cjwatson> bzr does have an amend function, it's just spelled bzr uncommit; bzr commit
[19:41] <cjwatson> but best not to use it if you've already pushed the branch somewhere, or if it's bound
[19:42] <cjwatson> (same guidelines as for git commit --amend)
[19:42] <cjwatson> dasjoe: first and last 40> that's the way it works for large bugs to avoid timeouts
[19:42] <cjwatson> the middle comments are loaded asynchronously later from JS
[19:43] <cjwatson> dasjoe: I've hidden the spam
[19:46] <DalekSec> I just have to ask, when someone uses comments in PPA deletions, do those go anywhere?
[19:46] <cjwatson> DalekSec: They're visible in publishing history
[19:47] <cjwatson> DalekSec: e.g. change filter to Superseded on +packages and expand a Deleted entry
[19:49] <DalekSec> Oh, well then.  Thanks, I guess I shouldn't make snarky comments. >_>
[20:04] <dasjoe> cjwatson: right, thanks for clearing that up
[22:03] <Laibsch> Is there a way I can omit the kernel bugs from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/ ?  They're getting in the way of looking through NEW bugs.
[22:04] <Laibsch> If the web interface can't do, can the API?


[08:43] <ubone> is scrolling in firefox very bad for you?
[16:33] <hggdh> jbicha: thank you. I refrained from opening tasks on other releases because I was the reporter
[16:41] <jbicha> hggdh: feel free to do that yourself next time! there's not enough LP bug triagers around to hold back IMO :|
[16:42] <hggdh> jbicha: heh. I do have the rights to, but I always feel like I am overstepping
[16:43] <jbicha> hggdh: it's sort of like how https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Verification says it's better if someone else verifies SRUs…
[16:44] <jbicha> but in almost all cases, it's the uploader that has to do it or if won't get done :(
[16:44] <hggdh> yep. In his case, Henrique, and my guess is he will get there. But what we may miss is the general BOLO


[03:25] <snadge> has there been a kernel update lately that may fix intel dual screen issues?
[03:25] <snadge> in installed a mainline kernel with drm next (random choice) .. but that worked around the issue
[03:25] <snadge> and i haven't been bothered to try and fix it properly
[03:26] <snadge> ... look into it myself.. answer: no
[03:27] <snadge> damn.. i should've reported this issue earlier
[04:34] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1243524
[04:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243524 in linux (Ubuntu) "Dual Display not working on Mac Mini" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:34] <snadge> :D
[04:34] <snadge> at least this one is simple
[04:35] <snadge> we have a problem.. easy to confirm.. and there's definitely a fix for it
[04:35] <snadge> i just dont want to run dodgy mainline nightly kernels on my work desktop.. if i can help ti
[04:39] <snadge> the problem is.. mac mini's should just die in a fire
[05:08] <snadge> how can a bot confirm my bug report
[05:09] <snadge> its almost offensive :P
[06:15] <bjf> snadge, a bot can confirm that you have submitted all the logs that we require. that's what 'confirmed' means to us
[06:16] <snadge> i guess that is a bit of a boring task for a human to do just that
[06:16] <bjf> yes, the turn around was a pain for a dev to then ask and wait. now a bot does it.
[06:16] <snadge> im tempted to mark the bug as minor.. or dont care.. it sounds like a random Mac UEFI issue
[06:17] <snadge> but who knows.. ubuntu is very popular these days.. if it was fedora.. i wouldn't bother at all
[06:18] <snadge> thats the whole reason this mac is running ubuntu in the first place.. fedora simply wouldn't install.. known issue.. marked as wontfix for f19.. issue still open in rawhide.. *shrug*
[06:18] <bjf> it will take a little work to bisect it to find the actual commit that fixes the issue
[06:18] <snadge> unfortunately.. its not completely fixed by mainline either
[06:18] <bjf> however, there will be a new kernel in -proposed this week that would be worth testing to see if it helps
[06:20] <snadge> i'll give that a go.. thats probably the easiest thing to do for now, there wont be much heat on this issue
[08:11] <larsduesing> Good morning or such :)
[08:12] <larsduesing> Where should I report problems with ecryptfs to? kernel? ecryptfs-utils? ecryptfs directly on launchpad?
[08:14] <apw> larsduesing, to some degree that depends where the bug seems to be, if its a userspace issue ecryptfs-utils, if it is anything else against 'linux' the kernel
[08:14] <larsduesing> On creating files >4GB  data gets corrupt. Up to 4GB size everything is ok, but on appending any more data the whole file gets corrupted...
[08:14] <apw> that sounds kernel side to me
[08:14] <larsduesing> yes, to me too.
[08:15] <larsduesing> so, thats clear. Thanks apw.
[08:15] <apw> then kernel it is, and paste the bug number in here, so i can get it some attention, as data corruption == bad
[08:15] <apw> larsduesing, which release are you seeing this on
[08:16] <larsduesing> saucy - 3.11.0-031100rc7-generic (apw@gomeisa)
[08:17] <apw> hmmm a test build, ok
[08:17] <apw> anyhow, its likley in all of them, so file it anyhow
[08:18] <larsduesing> oh. right
[08:18] <apw> its not very common for people to make large files in ecryptfs luckily, but also likely it has gone unnoticed for a long time as well
[08:18] <apw> anyhow, let me know the bug#
[08:18] <larsduesing> I got an .iso.bz2 file, and decompressed it.
[08:18] <larsduesing> sure
[08:19] <larsduesing> At first, I'll try to update kernel, and retest
[08:19] <larsduesing> oh, there is no newer kernel?
[08:19] <apw> larsduesing, sure, though if it is in 3.11. its in everything most likely so a bug so we cna check sounds good
[08:20] <larsduesing> ok
[08:25] <larsduesing> apw - sorry.. but where should I report the bug? https://launchpad.net/linux -> Launchpad needs to know where the user can report a bug
[08:28] <apw> run "ubuntu-bug linux" in a terminal
[08:28] <apw> larsduesing, the linux you have there is the linux project not the linux package, LP is rather opaque at times
[08:29] <larsduesing> ah... ok
[08:30] <larsduesing> thats no official ubuntu package.
[08:30] <larsduesing> I DO love software :)
[08:31] <larsduesing> (I sort things out on my side... give me a few minutes, please...)
[08:32] <apw> np
[08:48] <larsduesing> apw - btw - kernel - package naming is a bit confusing:
[08:48] <larsduesing> linux-headers-3.11.0-12-generic_3.11.0-12.19_i386.deb
[08:48] <larsduesing> linux-headers-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.13_i386.deb
[08:48] <larsduesing> <IP_ADDRESS> <-> 2.11.0-12
[08:49] <tyhicks> larsduesing: Hi - upstream eCryptfs kernel maintainer here - please ping me with the bug number when you open the bug
[08:49] <tyhicks> I'm off to bed, but I'll have a look first thing in the morning
[08:50] <larsduesing> tyhicks: sure - atm i'm installing current mainline kernel, rebooting, retesting and then I'll report.
[08:51] <larsduesing> tyhicks: Have a good night :)
[08:51] <tyhicks> thanks for testing mainline
[08:51] <larsduesing> tyhicks: thats the minimum I could do.
[08:52] <larsduesing> *rebooting* away for some minutes... :)
[09:01] <larsduesing> I'm back. Now testing.
[09:06] <larsduesing> cute. NOW IT WORKS.
[09:13] <larsduesing> apw: Now it works. strange.
[09:14] <larsduesing> two different files which won't work with old kernel do work now.
[09:20] <larsduesing> tyhicks: Sorry, cannot reproduce with current mainline-kernel
[10:05] <larsduesing> Ok, all back...
[10:07] <larsduesing> this time the curruption is much more cryptic
[10:08] <larsduesing> apw, tyhicks Sorry.. Bug is reproducible
[10:09] <larsduesing> in the 3.11.0-031100rc7-generic kernel even the header of the file was currupted
[10:10] <larsduesing> but in 3.11.0-12-generic the header is ok...
[10:11] <larsduesing> (as opposed the full file)
[10:11] <larsduesing> ok, filing bug
[10:21] <larsduesing> apw, tyhicks : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1243636
[10:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243636 in linux (Ubuntu) "ecryptfs currupts files over 4GB size" [Undecided,New]
[14:52] <coredump> Hmm. was the linux-tools-<version> package supposed to be created when compiling the kernel from source?
[16:11] <brendand> does anyone know how rtcwake could be able to work without the presence of /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm interface?
[16:11] <brendand> it seems to be able to on ARM
[16:15] <ppisati> brendand: strace it
[16:16] <brendand> found it!
[16:19] <brendand> well, sort of
[17:27] <apb> Hello...So I went to bed last night and I woke up this morning to a blank screen - normal after 5 or so minutes of inactivity - moved my mouse... hit keys on my keyboard... no reaction.  I was forced to power down and reboot.  This is the first time this has happened and the primary thing that changed was... the kernel.  ubuntu 12.04, kernel 3.2.0-55-generic-pae
[19:40] <rostam> HI I have custom card which we build a driver for it. The original implementation was in Redhtat 6.4 which is based on linux 2.6.28 (old) now I am porting the driver to ubuntu and I get ioctl errors (unknown ioctl number). Has there been a change in ioctl framework ? thx
[19:58] <infinity> rostam: If you google for the exact compile/runtime erorrs you're seeing, it'll probably shed some light.
[19:58] <rostam> infinity, thanks will do that
[20:09] <larsduesing> tyhicks: If I can be of any help, tell me please.
[20:17] <BjoernC> sforshee: hi
[20:20] <BjoernC> sforshee: FYI: I'm now trying to rebuild the kernel with your patch active and deactivating the other patch; However, I've managed to control the backlight by Software (By using the KDE-slider it works on both kernels (reverted OOB, unreverted only with the option acpi_osi="Windows 2012")) writing directly into /sys/classes/.../brightness doesn't work at both kernels - it's a little bit weird...
[20:20] <BjoernC> I will post the update when i've rebuild the kernel and have the results...
[20:21] <BjoernC> but it may take some time.
[20:21] <BjoernC> hopefully, my bug report is a little bit helpfull for you
[21:12] <tyhicks> larsduesing: thanks - this is easy to reproduce so I shouldn't need much help outside of testing a potential fix
[21:12] <tyhicks> larsduesing: I'll ping you when I have a test kernel ready
[21:24] <rostam> HI I have installed ubuntu 12.04 update 3 on my system. All the sudden I get the following messages in the /var/log/messages:  init: serial-ttyS0 main process (1129) terminated with status 1     any idea why?
[21:51] <apw> rostam, do you have a serial port on this system?  and have you lost any functionality


[15:56] <mbruzek> Can someone explain how the certificates work in Juju?
[15:56] <mbruzek> I am getting an error in the Juju debug-logs:
[15:56] <mbruzek> machine-0: 2015/10/15 10:40:19 http: TLS handshake error from <IP_ADDRESS>:47964: remote error: bad certificate
[15:58] <mbruzek> According to the .juju/kvm/server.pem the certificate expired today:  Not After : Oct 15 15:31:39 2025 GMT
[15:59] <mbruzek> I don't remember generating this certificate, how can I get a new one?
[15:59] <lazypower> mbruzek, i'm fairly certain the KVM provider generates that certificate when you bootstrap...
[15:59] <lazypower> thats weird that its expired today
[16:00] <mbruzek> lazypower: I used openssl x509 -text -in server.pem to display the details
[16:00] <mbruzek>         Validity
[16:00] <mbruzek>             Not Before: Oct  8 15:31:40 2015 GMT
[16:00] <mbruzek>             Not After : Oct 15 15:31:39 2025 GMT
[16:00] <lazypower> ah so its not expired
[16:01] <mbruzek> lazypower: The way I read that it is expired.  today
[16:05]  * admcleod- confused.
[16:27] <admcleod-> mbruzek: have you tried checking /var/lib/juju/server.pem on the bootstrap node?
[17:52] <mbruzek> admcleod-:  Sorry I stepped out for lunch.
[17:56] <mbruzek> admcleod-: I can't ssh to the bootstrap node, on kvm that is the localhost
[17:56] <mbruzek> (my laptop)
[17:57] <mbruzek> admcleod-: And there is no pem in /var/lib/juju
[20:18] <plars> 2015-10-15 20:07:39 ERROR juju.worker.resumer resumer.go:69 cannot resume transactions: document is larger than capped size 1939208 > 1048576
[20:18] <plars> I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1454891 which seems to be the same error I'm getting, but supposedly it's fixed a long time ago?
[20:18] <mup> Bug #1454891: <IP_ADDRESS>, mongo: document is larger than capped size <landscape> <mongodb> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454891>
[20:19] <plars> I'm on 1.24.6-0ubuntu1~15.04.1~juju1 from the stable ppa