[07:11] <mattik> BonBonTheJon: yes
[07:11] <flaccid> Brydenn33: duh, so what happens when you do sudo mount -a
[07:11] <Brydenn33> i'll try hehe
[07:11] <dude> flaccid: wine command
[07:11] <BonBonTheJon> mattik: have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[07:11] <flaccid> dude: this is not a wine support channel
[07:11] <dude> sorry
[07:12] <flaccid> thats why they have #wine
[07:12] <Brydenn33> flaccid:
[07:12] <Brydenn33> brydenn@c-67-169-218-218:~$ sudo mount -a
[07:12] <Brydenn33> Volume is scheduled for check.
[07:12] <Brydenn33> Please boot into Windows TWICE, or use the 'force' mount option.
[07:12] <Brydenn33> wtf does that mean ;)
[07:12] <mattik> BonBonTheJon:Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5940
[07:12] <flaccid> Brydenn33: i don't know
 i'll just try fixing it tomorrow then
[07:13] <Brydenn33> swear to god
[07:13] <flaccid> Brydenn33: try this. sudo umount -l /mnt/windows && sudo mount -a
[07:13] <Brydenn33> if its not one thing its another
[07:13] <flaccid> ^^ what does that return, Brydenn33?
[07:13] <mattik> BonBonTheJon: Kubuntu don't know my card
[07:13] <Brydenn33> brydenn@c-67-169-218-218:~$ sudo umount -l /mnt/windows && sudo mount -a
[07:13] <Brydenn33> umount: /mnt/windows: not mounted
[07:14] <flaccid> Brydenn33: anything else?
[07:14] <Brydenn33> nope
[07:14] <flaccid> Brydenn33: did it mount. ls -l /mnt/windows
[07:14] <Brydenn33> no
[07:14] <BonBonTheJon> mattik: i don't know
[07:14] <Brydenn33> anyway, thanks for your help flaccid. i'm gonna go eat dinner
[07:14] <Brydenn33> night all
[07:15] <flaccid> Brydenn33: it should of. try remove the ls=utf8 option
[07:15] <flaccid> no return means mounts were successful
[07:17] <mattik> BonBonTheJon: What is the identifier of my card? It's Radeon 9250.
[07:17] <BonBonTheJon> mattik: i dont' know, maybe some one else does
[07:18] <mattik> BonBonTheJon: Thank you
[07:18] <mattik> :)
[07:20] <whyso> how do i change permissions for a disk
[07:20] <whyso> or owner i mean
[07:22] <Healot> you can't do that; you can do that on directories and files though
[07:24] <sv0> man chmod
[07:24] <sv0> man chown
[07:24] <Genix|linux> is wine really slow or is it just firefox
[07:24] <dude_> !qemu
[07:24] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[07:26] <whyso> ok thanks, so to make the sdb1 owned by whyso: chown whyso media:/sdb1
[07:26] <globe> is there a way to fix a stubborn boot-time kernel panic?
[07:26] <whyso> that right?
[07:27] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: no, you can't do that
[07:27] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: one thing is the command line will not understand media:/sdb1, that is only in konqueror
[07:27] <whyso> ah ok, thanks
[07:29] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: and, the permissions should be okay, they are set up so you can't mess anything up without some trouble
[07:29] <whyso> gotcha! but i cant set them cause im not owner :(
[07:31] <whyso> so, can i change folder permissions by command line?
[07:31] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: some, what are you wanting to change
[07:32] <mattik> BonBonTheJon: I get X running. Thank you very much !! :)
[07:33] <BonBonTheJon> mattik: didn't do much, but you';re welcome
[07:33] <whyso> permissions for my 2nd hard drives partition, and permissions for a folder on my desktop
[07:34] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: ok, you need to know the mount for the partition, then do 'sudo chown whyso:whyso /folder'
[07:34] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: also type in 'man chown' at the command line for more details
[07:35] <Jobberwacky> that's a funny command
[07:35] <whyso> gotcha! ty
[07:38] <Solveneq> hey does anyone have a problem with kvpnc crashing?
[07:39] <whyso> hmmm not doing anything, do i have to unmount them first?
[07:41] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: it should work on the folder, i'm checking about the partition
[07:43] <klerfayt> will edgy have latest nvidia driver in non-official repo?
[07:43] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: i need to head to bed, but you can look here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[07:43] <whyso> k ty!
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: i think there is some setting when you mount it for that
[07:44] <whyso> im in edgy right now, want me to check kle?
[07:44] <Solveneq> ooooookay... now IRC works and no other program can pick up my internet connection ?
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: i know you can change the owner of the folder
[07:44] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: you can auto complete the name in konversation by hitting tab
[07:44] <dude_> any other info about beryl? how to?
[07:45] <BonBonTheJon> whyso: good lucj
[07:46] <whyso> BonBonTheJon: thanks!
[07:46] <dude_> bonbon: have you tried beryl?
[07:46] <Solveneq> omg.. how come no applications recognize im on the net besides Konversation lol
[07:54] <puttlick> when it says y/n in console it is cancelling when I use y Why?
[07:54] <poningru> puttlick: try yes
[07:54] <puttlick> Nope, didn't work ==(
[07:55] <gragusa> anybody on edgy eft on a ibm x40?
[07:57] <puttlick> Now it works... restarded the console
[07:57] <poningru> .... weird
[08:01] <rawrness> this is very werid
[08:01] <rawrness> amaorak don't want to build my libary right
[08:01] <rawrness> it skipped like 70% of the files
[08:04] <Ashex> anyone else been having issues with the latest edgy update making the k menu's/bars unresponsive?
[08:04] <Ashex> !bug > me
[08:05] <Ashex> !bug > Ashex
[08:07] <whyso> nope mine are ok
[08:07] <ZeroCool> has any used smart package installer ?
[08:08] <abattoir> ZeroCool: i have, why?
[08:08] <ZeroCool> well, I need to install some .rpm packages, and this would seem to be the ticket
[08:09] <abattoir> ZeroCool: nope
[08:09] <ZeroCool> ???
[08:09] <abattoir> ZeroCool: it doesnt work that way
[08:09] <ZeroCool> okay, explain pls
[08:09] <abattoir> ZeroCool: it handles rpms *only* on rpm-based distros
[08:09] <abattoir> ZeroCool: on deb based distros, it handles *only* debs
[08:09] <abattoir> you might want to consider alien
[08:09] <abattoir> !alien
[08:09] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[08:10] <ZeroCool> man, I need to get srm package
[08:10] <abattoir> ZeroCool: but be aware that packages made for rpm distros(suse, primarily) most probably will not work
[08:10] <abattoir> ZeroCool: what program?
[08:10] <rawrness> evilness
[08:10] <ZeroCool> srm
[08:10] <ZeroCool> its like rm but much more
[08:11] <abattoir> ZeroCool: you have a link?
[08:11] <abattoir> ZeroCool: for the rpm, maybe?
[08:11] <ZeroCool> just a min...
[08:11] <morghanphoenix> When I upgrade my graphics card what do I need to do to get it working? Just install the driver or do I need to recompile the kernel and all that crap?
[08:12] <ZeroCool> heres the link: http://srm.sourceforge.net/
[08:13] <whyso> how do i change the owner of a partition?
[08:13] <DemonThing> partitions have owners?
[08:13] <DemonThing> or do you mean of a mounted one
[08:13] <abattoir> ZeroCool: redhat rpm *might* work(after converting w/ alien), but i definitely don't recommend it
[08:13] <abattoir> ZeroCool: get the source and compile it if you can
[08:13] <whyso> one thats mounted
[08:13] <DemonThing> whyso: use the "uid" option when mounting
[08:13] <DemonThing> so if your username is whyso
[08:13] <DemonThing> and you want it owned by whyso
[08:13] <DemonThing> then
[08:14] <DemonThing> mount <blah> -o uid=whyso
[08:14] <ZeroCool> hmmm, okay here one, I never compiled a app.. before. <grin>
[08:14] <DemonThing> or put that under your options in fstab
[08:14] <whyso> DemonThing: thanks! but i want it to do this when i boot up, so i dont have to do it every time
[08:14] <DemonThing> yeah
[08:14] <DemonThing> so
[08:14] <abattoir> ZeroCool: why dont you just use purge instead?
[08:14] <DemonThing> well the only way I can think of is to edit /etc/fstab
[08:14] <DemonThing> and put uid=whyso under the options
[08:14] <ZeroCool> purge ?
[08:14] <abattoir> ZeroCool: wait a sec
[08:14] <DemonThing> options as in where stuff like noatime, noauto, defaults, ro, etc tend to go
[08:15] <abattoir> ZeroCool: sorry, meant shred :P 'man shred'
[08:15] <DemonThing> there's probably a graphical way of doing it to I'd imagine
[08:15] <abattoir> ZeroCool: try that in a terminal, it'd give you more info about that program
[08:15] <abattoir> ZeroCool: hit 'q' to quit it
[08:15] <morghanphoenix> I wish I could say the same. The next person who puts something on the net without giving a list of it's dependancies is gonna get hunted down and slaped with a raw salmon!
[08:15] <DemonThing> or put #shred in Run Command or konqueror
[08:16] <ZeroCool> yep, shred is there..
[08:17] <abattoir> ZeroCool: use that :P
[08:17] <ZeroCool> I type shred --help
[08:17] <ZeroCool> saw the help settings..
[08:18] <ZeroCool> but I;m wondering which is better shred or srm
[08:18] <whyso> so defaults,errors=remount-ro would become :defaults,errors=remount-ro,uid=whyso
[08:18] <whyso> ?
[08:18] <DemonThing> yes
[08:19] <dude_> !krdc
[08:19] <ubotu> krdc: Remote Desktop Connection for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu6.2 (dapper), package size 490 kB, installed size 956 kB
[08:19] <whyso> k asesome testing it
[08:19] <DemonThing> :)
[08:19] <ZeroCool> okay I will test it.
[08:19] <DemonThing> tip: to mount boot partitions, run "mount -a"
[08:19] <DemonThing> as root, of course
[08:19] <dude_> any info about krdc?
[08:19] <ZeroCool> just that I deal with clients .xls files that contain cc# and need to make sure, they are deleted
[08:21] <whyso> hmmm did it but said i didtn have permission to edit fstab
[08:21] <ZeroCool> okay thats, and goodnight..zzzzzzzzzzzz
[08:21] <DemonThing> you need to be root to edit it
[08:21] <dude_> any info about krdc?
[08:21] <DemonThing> dude_: what kind of info?
[08:22] <dude_> how to configure
[08:22] <DemonThing> http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/krdc/index.html
[08:23] <DemonThing> I googled "krdc", third result
[08:23] <dude_> tnx
[08:23] <DemonThing> I wonder if there is
[08:23] <DemonThing> !google
[08:23] <ubotu> google is a very popular search engine, http://www.google.com
[08:23] <DemonThing> indeed it is
[08:24] <rawrness> !anything
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <DemonThing> hah
[08:25] <rawrness> well i will now turn in
[08:25] <rawrness> night all
[08:25] <DemonThing> bye
[08:26] <whyso> holy shite! screen just went blue ranomly and rebooted lol
[08:26] <whyso> so how do i log in as root?
[08:26] <DemonThing> wonderful
[08:26] <DemonThing> um
[08:26] <DemonThing> well
[08:26] <DemonThing> you don't
[08:26] <DemonThing> you should be using sudo or kdesu
[08:26] <DemonThing> !sudo
[08:26] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:27] <DemonThing> I like this bot.
[08:27] <whyso> yeah thats cool :)
[08:28] <whyso> white space doesnt matter in fstab right
[08:28] <DemonThing> it does
[08:29] <DemonThing> well, you have to have whitespace between columns
[08:29] <DemonThing> but the amount of whitespace is up to you
[08:29] <DemonThing> and comments and blank lines obviously do nothing
[08:43] <ubuntu> help!!!!!!! i edited fstab and now kubuntu wont boot!!! :((((((( im back in live CD any idea how to fix>?
[08:45] <jbrouhard> Anyone have a link to a how-to to make kde look like mswindows ?
[08:45] <jbrouhard> i remember there being one off buntudot.org
[08:45] <jbrouhard> but the site redirects to the fridge right now
[08:45] <t3hwiz0rd> why would you want kde to look like doze'bloze?
[08:46] <jbrouhard> cause i want it to
[08:46] <jbrouhard> actually, i'm just looking for a better theme
[08:46] <jbrouhard> than plain KDE
[08:49] <dude> any link to krdc how-to
[08:51] <dude> !vnc
[08:51] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[08:53] <dude> !freenx
[08:53] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:53] <dude> !berylxgl
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about berylxgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:53] <dude> !beryl-xgl
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl-xgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <dude> !beryl_xgl
[08:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beryl_xgl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:54] <dude> !beryl
[08:54] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> dude: give it up
[08:58] <t3hwiz0rd> !beryl
[08:58] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[08:58] <cpk2> jbrouhard: go to kde-look.org
[08:59] <esas> hi, how can i make a MySQL server with Kubuntu???
[08:59] <cpk2> esas: look at the lamp page in the wiki
[09:01] <dude> guys can you help me configure krdc?
[09:02] <esas> but what do you need to create a LAMP server?
[09:03] <cpk2> esas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:08] <puttlick> I can't install a package because it says it culd hurt other packages, could i get around that?
[09:08] <cpk2> puttlick: what package?
[09:08] <puttlick> Compiz and compiz-gnome
[09:09] <cpk2> what does it want to remove?
[09:10] <puttlick> it don't says
[09:10] <puttlick> but it says it cant write in /usr/lib/compiz/libgconf.so
[09:10] <ubuntu_> :(((( im so screwed i just edited fstab and now i cant boot
[09:11] <cpk2> plus you should ask in the xgl channel =P
[09:11] <cpk2> !compiz
[09:11] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:11] <ubuntu_> cant figure out how to add it from live CD either
[09:14] <dbglt> can anyone explain why I can't update? I came in here earlier, and replaced all instances of "dapper" with "edgy" in my sources.list. Then I did an apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:14] <dbglt> but now it complains of packages not being found
[09:15] <cpk2> maybe you need more repos?
[09:15] <cpk2> !edgy
[09:15] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[09:15] <dbglt> cpk2: it is from the main repo, it says it is missing packages
[09:16] <cpk2> missing dependencies?
[09:16] <dbglt> Err http://au.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main openoffice.org-style-default 2.0.4~rc3-0ubuntu4
[09:16] <dbglt>   404 Not Found
[09:16] <dbglt> get that for about 20 packages
[09:16] <dbglt> and then install can't continue
[09:16] <cpk2> that means it cant hit that repo
[09:17] <cpk2> try a different location
[09:17] <cpk2> replace the au with something else
[09:17] <dbglt> ok
[09:17] <puttlick> does somebody know where I could find xmodmap?
[09:18] <dbglt> puttlick: where you can find it?
[09:18] <dbglt> have you got it installed?
[09:18] <cpk2> !info xmodmap
[09:18] <ubotu> xmodmap: X input map modification. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.0-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 18 kB, installed size 76 kB
[09:19] <Vuen_away> okay, this is driving me insane
[09:19] <Vuen> why does firefox use the shitty gnome file picker instead of the kde one?
[09:19] <Steven_M> hi all
[09:19] <cpk2> "file picker"?
[09:19] <cpk2> i just use konq anyways
[09:20] <cpk2> they all are the same now
[09:20] <zorglu_> filepicker = file selector i think
[09:20] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: why? because its gtk.. numbnuts.
[09:20] <zorglu_> Vuen: it use the gnome one because it is using gnome all over and not kde
[09:20] <t3hwiz0rd> kde is qt lol
[09:21] <Lam_> is there a way to edit konquerer's browser settings more in-depth?  it seems rather lacking in terms of browser customizability than firefox
[09:21] <Lam_> unless im blind
[09:21] <t3hwiz0rd> Lam_: they're there somewhere just not in plain sight.
[09:21] <zorglu_> t3hwiz0rd: avoid this kind of words here
[09:21] <Lam_> would it be in kcontrol by any chance?
[09:21] <morghanphoenix> I was hoping to avoid what I'm doing now, but couldn't find any good dvd rippers that worked right in KDE.
[09:22] <Vuen> t3hwiz0rd: so this is the gtk file selector? why is it so awful?
[09:22] <t3hwiz0rd> Lam_: its somewhere inside the settings, where I don't know... KDE is a bit too over the top on setting sometimes.
[09:22] <Vuen> t3hwiz0rd: and more importantly, why does firefox use it? how can i get firefox to use the kde file selector?
[09:22] <morghanphoenix> All that extra space for gnome just so I can run OGM, almost reminds me of a windows install.
[09:22] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: GTK is meant to function very simply. Thats why its the Free Desktop of choice in most major distros. Its a lot like windows and OS x, its simplified and mainstreamed.
[09:22] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: its not meant to be as customizable as kde.
[09:22] <Vuen> ah.
[09:23] <Lam_> i like how things are structured in kde so far, but i'd prefer if konquerer's settings were more in plain sight if they expect people that like to customize to adopt konquerer instead of firefox
[09:23] <Lam_> :/
[09:23] <zorglu_> hehe :)
[09:23] <Vuen> i'm disappointed that they think i'm too stupid to type in a damn path.
[09:23] <Vuen> so how do i get rid of it?
[09:23] <zorglu_> well that and the fact is it not gpl :)
[09:23] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: get rid of what? gnome or firefox?
[09:23] <Vuen> the file selector!
[09:23] <Vuen> is it built in or something?
[09:23] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: yes, its part of gtk lol
[09:23] <morghanphoenix> most of the time I can't find my damn paths without using slocate.
[09:23] <Vuen> aargh
[09:23] <Vuen> so i'm stuck with it?
[09:23] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: its not optional.
[09:23] <Vuen> :(
[09:23] <Vuen> but i like firefox
[09:23] <zorglu_> Vuen: already answered this one, you can not remove this file selector from firefox
[09:23] <Vuen> i really, really like firefox
[09:23] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: that or sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox ;-) lol
[09:23] <Vuen> :(
[09:24] <Vuen> *sniff*
[09:24] <Vuen> can i get mouse gestures on konqueror?
[09:24] <zorglu_> Vuen: yes, there are options for that
[09:24] <Lam_> i think you can get mouse gestures in kde even
[09:24] <morghanphoenix> You can
[09:24] <Vuen> i'm not interested in global gestures, just browser gestures
[09:24] <morghanphoenix> I have to turn it off every time I do a fresh install
[09:24] <morghanphoenix> Opera has mouse gestures too
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> I like Opera much better than Firefox
[09:25] <dude> what is the command for editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <Steven_M> I know I asked this the other day, but I had to leave in a hurry before I got an answer, can anyone help me out with a samba problem?
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> sudo kate path
[09:25] <t3hwiz0rd> Steven_M: whats the problem?
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> or kwrite
[09:25] <t3hwiz0rd> morghanphoenix: nano! nano!!!!
[09:25] <Jucato> Vuen: I think you can set the gestures in KDE to affect only a specific window
[09:25] <morghanphoenix> or whatever your editor is
[09:25] <Jucato> !kdesu
[09:25] <ubotu> In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[09:26] <morghanphoenix> I use pico
[09:26] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: ^^^^^^
[09:26] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: you shouldnt use sudo with gui's
[09:26] <cpk2> aww Jucato beat me
[09:26] <t3hwiz0rd> pico or nano... all the same really.
[09:26] <morghanphoenix> lol, I always use sudo, tend to stay in yakuake constantly
[09:26] <t3hwiz0rd> i think nano is a bit more feature-rich.
[09:26] <Jucato> cpk2: :P
[09:26] <Vuen> morghanphoenix: what does the file selector look like in opera?
[09:27] <t3hwiz0rd> Vuen: its nifty
[09:27] <t3hwiz0rd> cpk2: vi is for aliens 0.x
[09:28] <t3hwiz0rd> i'll be back on on t3hwiz0rd-server in a second folks...
[09:28] <t3hwiz0rd> booting to another os
[09:28] <Jucato> I'm not sure if it's the same for Linux, but the newer Google products/services don't render correctly in Opera...
[09:28] <morghanphoenix> Is that where you open and save files?
[09:28] <morghanphoenix> vuen
[09:29] <Vuen> morghanphoenix: yes
[09:29] <morghanphoenix> A typical file browser where you can type the path in up top.
[09:29] <Jucato> I think he means the File Dialog Box
[09:29] <morghanphoenix> you can edit the path without navicating your whole file system if that's what you mean
[09:30] <morghanphoenix> how the hell did I hit a c instead of a g?
[09:30] <Jucato> heh fast fingers :)
[09:30] <dude> what is the command for editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> I think people are so anti-opera because it used to use ads and wasn't really that good
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <Vuen> morghanphoenix: i tried opera long after it had ads. i hated it because it kept crashing, it was ugly, and its javascript support was HORRIBLE
[09:31] <Vuen> i couldn't even check my mail
[09:31] <morghanphoenix> It's been really improved recently
[09:32] <Vuen> i hear the new opera is nice, yes. but i really like firefox
[09:32] <Jucato> 2 reasons why I didn't like Opera: Google services/products and URL (Tab) completion.... :(
[09:32] <morghanphoenix> They started selling browsers for the DS and cell phones, making plenty of money to pay for having a really nice free computer browser.
[09:33] <morghanphoenix> I love the saved sessions.
[09:33] <Jucato> yeah I loved that. I also love the fact that it uses Qt. lol :P
[09:33] <morghanphoenix> I want to be able to kill my browser at night and get all the pages I had open back the next day, and it keeps the history for my back button too.
[09:34] <morghanphoenix> I don't believe I'm installing gnome.
[09:34] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: you are?
[09:35] <morghanphoenix> The one way it's better for me tan KDE is DVD rippers that actually work!
[09:35] <morghanphoenix> Tried running one in KDE and it recoreded 7 hours of a two hour movie
[09:35] <Steven_M> t3hwiz0rd: When I try to make a samba password for my normal account called red from my sudo account using the command: "sudo smbpasswd red", after I type in the new password twice it says "Failed to find entry for red"
[09:36] <morghanphoenix> At least Kaffiene plays the rips in Kubuntu, it didn't in slackware.
[09:36] <Lam_> Steven_M: try $ sudo smbpasswd -a red
[09:36] <morghanphoenix> I had all the deps installed and it still viewed my video files as audio.
[09:37] <puttlick> I've got xmodmap installed... but not the file /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.us Don't get it... tried to reinstall it, doest work
[09:37] <morghanphoenix> I personally like fluxbox.
[09:39] <Steven_M> Lam_: the confusing thing is that wasn't needed for my other user accounts
[09:40] <morghanphoenix> Damn that's a lot of dependancies!
[09:41] <morghanphoenix> At least they list them all though.
[09:41] <morghanphoenix> I've had a few programs I've downloaded that forgot to tell me what I needed, now that was annoying.
[09:41] <Jucato> does that happen with APT? *gasps*
[09:42] <morghanphoenix> source installs
[09:42] <Jucato> ah :P
[09:42] <morghanphoenix> Too many spiffy toys don't have deb packages
[09:43] <morghanphoenix> woah, I didn't have automake on here
[09:43] <cpk2> Steven_M: dont you need to add the samba user first?
[09:43] <puttlick> could someone send me a copy of xmodmap.us can\t find it )*
[09:43] <cpk2> i wish when you use apt-build it would tell aptitude not to install over your compiled install =(
[09:44] <cpk2> or even when you build with apt-get
[09:44] <morghanphoenix> I love pkgtool, too bad there's nothig quite so efficient for kubuntu.
[09:45] <cpk2> kind of dumb, they put in the functionality to compile your own .deb and install them and then right after you install with your own .deb it wants to "upgrade" it
[09:45] <Steven_M> cpk2: I thouaght I did, using the kde file sharing pannel
[09:47] <cpk2> Steven_M:
[09:47] <cpk2> sudo useradd -s /bin/true mark
[09:47] <cpk2> sudo smbpasswd -L -a mark
[09:47] <cpk2> sudo smbpasswd -L -e mark
[09:47] <esas> hi, i have a problem with the mysql administrator
[09:47] <esas> if i start it, it gives a window
[09:47] <cpk2> would make a user named mark and set up a samba username for him
[09:48] <Vuen> question, is there a version of gvim that uses the qt toolkit?
[09:48] <esas> can somebody help me???
[09:48] <cpk2> Steven_M: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605 this is a really good samba article
[09:48] <Steven_M> ok thanks all
[09:48] <Jucato> hm...
[09:49] <Steven_M> be back soon
[09:50] <cpk2> anyone know a way to stop aptitude from wanted to "upgrade" packages that I compiled myself using apt-build or even apt-get source -b
[09:51] <Jucato> cpk2: isn't there an option to lock down a package in APT?
[09:51] <cpk2> *besides* using hold
[09:51] <visik7> Jucato: echo "package hold" | dpkg --set-selections
[09:52] <Jucato> visik7: heh it was for cpk2. but I guess he doesn't want "hold" :)
[09:52] <visik7> uh ?
[09:52] <cpk2> besides using hold, imagine if I used apt-build to build everything while I was on vacation, would I want to have to type out hold for everything? =)
[09:52] <Jucato> clm
[09:52] <Jucato> er...
[09:53] <visik7> just don't run apt ?
[09:54] <cpk2> and then if want a really big app that I dont want to compile later?
[09:54] <visik7> you are weird
[09:54] <cpk2> arent we all?
[09:55] <visik7> I really don't understand what you are doing/what to do
[09:55] <morghanphoenix> Look at all my space fill up, good thing I had 15GB to spare when I started this.
[09:55] <visik7> s/what/want
[09:56] <Zaire> well typical no ones talking or answering in #phpbb
[09:56] <cpk2> say i want to compile just some random app for the hell of it using apt-build or apt-get source -b i dont want aptitude to want to "upgrade" the .deb i just made and installed
[09:56] <Vuen> ???
[09:56] <Vuen> woah
[09:56] <Vuen> freenode says i'm banned from #kde
[09:56] <Vuen> i can't imagine why that is
[09:56] <Jucato> ?
[09:56] <Jucato> Vuen: what have you done? :P
[09:56] <Vuen> i wonder if my housemate got me banned...
[09:57] <Vuen> urgh...
[09:57] <Vuen> bbl proxy
[09:57] <visik7> cpk2: hold the random app ?
[09:57] <cpk2> and to me hold doesnt seem like a very good solution because what if I want to make LOTS of .deb for myself, would be a hassle to hold those
[09:57] <morghanphoenix> I've been banned from KDE before
[09:57] <morghanphoenix> I think it's an IP block block
[09:57] <cpk2> and dist-upgrade will upgrade even apps that are being held
[09:58] <visik7> obviously
[09:58] <visik7> they complain about missed deps
[09:58] <Zaire> it is an address ban
[09:58] <visik7> cpk2: hold when you install
[09:59] <visik7> you can try to pin the apt-build local repo
[09:59] <visik7> to something unupgradable
[09:59] <visik7> cpk2: man apt_preferences
[10:00] <sorush20> what program do I use to be able to log the amount of download upload through my wireless connection?
[10:01] <cpk2> visik7: the thing that really grates is that apt-cache policy says the installed and the candidate are the exact same version when it wants to upgrade my own debs
[10:01] <visik7> cpk2: the only solution is to pin the repo of the apt-build
[10:03] <cpk2> visik7: so do i want to pin it at 999 or 1001? I would like aptitude to still notify when there is actually a newer version
[10:03] <Vuen> hmph
[10:04] <visik7> cpk2: read the man and do some tests
[10:04] <morghanphoenix> Argh! So much work just to put firefly on my hard drive!
[10:04] <Vuen> i'm too lazy to find a working socks proxy
[10:04] <Vuen> i wish i knew why i was banned from #kde :( i like kde, that's why i'm here
[10:05] <Zaire> have you tried tor
[10:05] <Vuen> yes, it's currently banned network-wide
[10:05] <Zaire> ah
[10:05] <Vuen> anyway, i was wondering if you guys could give me any kde alternatives to some softwares that use the gtk toolkit
[10:05] <Vuen> firefox, gaim, gvim, openoffice
[10:05] <t3hwiz0rd-server> anyone miss me?
[10:06] <visik7> Vuen: dsl.bell.ca are banned from #kde
[10:06] <t3hwiz0rd-server> Vuen: i know you did.
[10:06] <Vuen> most importantly is i'd like a qt version of vi
[10:06] <Vuen> visik7: woah, all of bell?
[10:06] <visik7> seems to be
[10:06] <Jucato> Vuen: firefox = Konqueror or Opera. GAIM = Kopete. OpenOffice = KOffice (new version released)
[10:06] <Vuen> like, canada-wide?
[10:06] <Vuen> WTF?
[10:06] <t3hwiz0rd-server> kde don't like canada
[10:06] <t3hwiz0rd-server> protest! blame germany!
[10:06] <Jucato> Vuen: you can go to #freenode and request to be unbanned
[10:06] <Vuen> WTF!@
[10:06] <Zaire> I noticed teh shipit cd thing is down
[10:07] <Vuen> Jucato: ah. nice.
[10:08] <Vuen> Jucato: the only important one in there was gvim. is there a vi for kde?
[10:08] <Jucato> Google? :)
[10:08] <Vuen> tried that
[10:08] <Vuen> :(
[10:08] <Vuen> no luck
[10:08] <Jucato> www.kde-apps.org ?
[10:08] <Jucato> hm.. no luck either :)
[10:09] <sorush20> what program do I use to be able to log the amount of download upload through my wireless connection?
[10:09] <sorush20> during the week or month etc?
[10:11] <Vuen> i'm confused. i'm trying to use kopete here
[10:11] <Vuen> i'm signed in to one msn account
[10:11] <Vuen> how do i sign into a second one?
[10:12] <osiris> ok, this may be the wrong room, but say i wanted to make a headless ubuntu box, that just booted and played one shoutcast stream.  what avenues should i explore
[10:12] <Vuen> nevermind
[10:13] <t3hwiz0rd-server> Vuen: are you behaving?
[10:13] <morghanphoenix> That's just because Seattle is so close to Canada.
[10:13] <Vuen> t3hwiz0rd-server: what?
[10:13] <Vuen> behaving?
[10:14] <dbglt> osiris: probably wouldn't be worth bothering with ubuntu
[10:14] <dbglt> osiris: much tighter and smaller distros available for that
[10:14] <t3hwiz0rd-server> Vuen: lol... im kiddin' kiddin
[10:14] <Vuen> i can't believe #kde banned the entire country
[10:14] <cpk2> Vuen: why not use vi?
[10:14] <Vuen> what could canada possibly have done
[10:14] <osiris> dbglt, enlighten me
[10:15] <Healot> Canada created OpenBSD, hehe << doesn't make sense, sorry
[10:15] <osiris> say i wanna take beater box, and make it a headless shoutcast client for office music
[10:16] <sorush20> Vuen: what country?
[10:16] <osiris> the amp, and end wiring is easy.  its the software/attack method i lack
[10:17] <esas> hi, i cant open adept
[10:17] <esas> conversation with su failed, or somethong
[10:17] <dbglt> osiris: debian should be fine if you want to stick with apt. Slack will do fine as well. There are also a number of smaller custom-built distros, check out distrowatch if you need. Even a ubuntu base will be fine (but most of it is in the gui, that distinguishes it from debian anyway)
[10:17] <cox377> can anyone tell me how to add DNS server addressed to the nic under kubuntu?
[10:17] <esas> o -> i
[10:18] <cox377> !dns
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <dbglt> I've generally gone with debian for headless servers
[10:18] <t3hwiz0rd-server> suse makes a good headless server too
[10:18] <sorush20> where are my qtdir and kdedir?
[10:18] <t3hwiz0rd-server> i'd go either pure debian or suse.
[10:18] <osiris> dbglt, i know i could do dsl if i wanted small
[10:18] <cox377> does anyone know how to manually add DNS servers?
[10:19] <Healot> file /etc/resolv.conf
[10:19] <Healot> the entry nameserver <IP address>
[10:19] <osiris> thats not what i asked.  i wondered how i could do it in ubuntu
[10:20] <osiris> the distro doesnt matter
[10:20] <esas> i can't open adept anymore! , if i typ mu password and want to log in then i get these message :  conversation with su failed
[10:20] <dbglt> osiris: install what you want then, what's the problem of doing it in ubuntu?
[10:20] <esas> does anywone knows what i must do??
[10:21] <sorush20> esas: make sure that adept is not running at the moment.. do ps aux | grep ade*
[10:21] <osiris> what would i need to play a shoucats stream headless, what would i need to set it to auto boot a user, etc
[10:21] <osiris> come on
[10:22] <osiris> work with me here
[10:22] <sorush20> shoutcast? just use streamtuner
[10:22] <sorush20> osiris:
[10:22] <esas> it's not running, i want to start it, type the pass and ther, it says that
[10:22] <osiris> ok, streamtuner
[10:22] <sorush20> do sudo killall adept
[10:22] <sorush20> esas: do sudo killall adept
[10:23] <sorush20> osiris: you can save the streams using streamripper...
[10:23] <sorush20> osiris: sudo apt-get install streamtuner streamripper
[10:23] <osiris> i dont need to save the stream
[10:23] <sorush20> what about my question
[10:23] <sorush20> where are my qtdir and kdedir?
[10:23] <osiris> i just want to build a headles old box, to play a shoutcast stream i code in
[10:24] <osiris> to put music in our office
[10:24] <osiris> and for the time being, *ubuntu is distro of choice
[10:25] <esas> i cant kill it!!!
[10:25] <sorush20> esas: what error do you get ?
[10:25] <esas> tried, but stil isn't working
[10:25] <esas> conversation with su failed
[10:25] <sorush20> esas: did you do sudo killall adept ?
[10:26] <esas> yes
[10:26] <sorush20> esas: I think just reboot your computer or just reboot x server
[10:26] <osiris> might try finding the PID of adept, and kill -9'ing it
[10:26] <esas> ok i'm gonna try that
[10:26] <esas> brb
[10:26] <osiris> blah
[10:28] <jende> esas: Good day
[10:29] <jende> esas: so, what are your dramas today?
[10:33] <|Mikael|> hi there; how can i resize my harddisk where kubuntu is on it?
[10:33] <jende> |Mikael|: use qtparted
[10:34] <jende> !qtparted
[10:34] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 198 kB, installed size 704 kB
[10:34] <|Mikael|> oh will look
[10:34] <|Mikael|> thx again jende ;)
[10:34] <jende> |Mikael|: no worries, mate! ;-)
[10:35] <|Mikael|> :D
[10:35] <jende> |Mikael|: its a nice tool, but it depends on what you wanna do. Means maybe you should use a LiveCD such as Knoppix
[10:36] <morghanphoenix> I'm now up to 800MB for my DVD ripper install, it's beginning to remind me of a windows installation.
[10:36] <jende> morghanphoenix: what?
[10:36] <morghanphoenix> Of course that included gnome
[10:36] <morghanphoenix> OGMRip
[10:36] <morghanphoenix> Stupid thing won't run GTK
[10:37] <jende> morghanphoenix:I would have chosen DVD::Rip
[10:37] <morghanphoenix> Does it run cli too?
[10:37] <jende> morghanphoenix: I'll have a look; hold on
[10:38] <cox377> is there a command that lists all installed applications?
[10:38] <morghanphoenix> holy hell, build is installing even more deps
[10:38] <Martyo> does kubuntu come with firefox?
[10:39] <cox377> Martyo: yes
[10:39] <Zaire> what other database's can you get for linux aside from mysql?
[10:39] <dumbkiwi> Martyo: not by default.  You can install it from the universe repositories
[10:39] <cox377> dumbkiwi: opps... is it ubuntu that does?
[10:40] <Zaire> what other database's can you get for linux aside from mysql?
[10:40] <dumbkiwi> Martyo: dunno.  Never installed it.
[10:40] <Zaire> has to be a database server
[10:40] <dumbkiwi> Zaire: postgresql
[10:40] <jende> morghanphoenix: http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/separate/transcoding.html
[10:40] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, I have to remove firefox every time I install
[10:40] <Martyo> why would you want to remove firefox?
[10:40] <jende> Martyo: yes it does
[10:41] <jende> Martyo: mybe he doesnt like FF
[10:41] <morghanphoenix> I'm one of those wierd people who thinks Opera is far superior to firefox.
[10:41] <Martyo> ah, opera is good, forgot about that ;)
[10:41] <jende> morghanphoenix: check out the link I've posted, you'll be happy, I guess
[10:42] <morghanphoenix> nice
[10:43] <morghanphoenix> Okay, that's nice, it need libogm, but it's not in the repos, but it's in the repos, at least the debian ones.
[10:43] <jende> morghanphoenix: yep
[10:44] <Vuen> alright, i gotta wake up in four hours for a meeting, a midterm, and an assignment
[10:44] <Vuen> i'm a dead man
[10:44] <morghanphoenix> I'm really beginning to hate source installs
[10:44] <jende> morghanphoenix: it takes roughly 10mins to install
[10:44] <|Mikael|> jende: i can't resize my primary hdd. do i have to use a text only mode?
[10:44] <|Mikael|> i mean, do i have to quit X?
[10:44] <jende> |Mikael|: you will have to use Knoppix
[10:44] <|Mikael|> oh
[10:45] <jende> |Mikael|: or your system will be fuc***
[10:45] <cox377> !rythmbox
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rythmbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <jende> !rhytmbox
[10:45] <|Mikael|> jende: and that wouldn't be nice, i guess
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rhytmbox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <|Mikael|> so i will boot then knoppix
[10:45] <|Mikael|> thx anyway
[10:45] <jende> |Mikael|: yep, you'll better do that
[10:45] <cox377> !rhythmbox
[10:45] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[10:45] <morghanphoenix> how do I get libogm?
[10:46] <morghanphoenix> what package if any, or web site if none?
[10:46] <cox377> does anyone here use rhythmbox?
[10:46] <jende> morghanphoenix: sudo apt-get install libogm
[10:46] <morghanphoenix> not if I can help it
[10:46] <morghanphoenix> done that, not in my repos.
[10:46] <morghanphoenix> which repo is it in?
[10:48] <jende> morghanphoenix: are you having debian repos in your sources?
[10:48] <cpk2> !info libogm
[10:48] <ubotu> Package libogm does not exist in any distro I know
[10:48] <morghanphoenix> Some of them, I'm using kubuntu
[10:49] <jende> cpk2: G'day
[10:49] <cpk2> jende: evening =)
[10:49] <morghanphoenix> only the deb repos I've needed so far
[10:49] <morghanphoenix> oh, this is kubuntu, I thought I was still in KDE
[10:49] <jende> morghanphoenix: I'll pastebin my sources
[10:50] <morghanphoenix> !pastebin
[10:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:50] <morghanphoenix> Bookmarking that this time
[10:51] <morghanphoenix> hmm, that's not the search part.
[10:51] <morghanphoenix> So I install all these fresh packages and now they need to be updated?
[10:51] <jende> morghanphoenix: yep
[10:51] <morghanphoenix> shouldn't apt give me the newest ones?
[10:51] <jende> morghanphoenix: depends on your soources.list
[10:52] <jende> morghanphoenix: depends on your sources.list
[10:52] <morghanphoenix> pastebin url?
[10:52] <jende> morghanphoenix: what?
[10:53] <morghanphoenix> For the sources list.
[10:53] <jende> cpk2: good evening then ;-)
[10:53] <jende> morghanphoenix: so, you wanna pastebin your sources?
[10:53] <cpk2> !easysource
[10:53] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:54] <morghanphoenix> you said you'd pastebin yours, I've done source-o-matic, no libogm in my repos.
[10:54] <jende> cpk2: I don't like that source-o-matic stuff. Do you?
[10:54] <cpk2> that page is great
[10:54] <cpk2> libogm doesnt exist
[10:54] <jende> morghanphoenix: mine wouldn't help you. I forgot that all boxes here are on edgy or debian sid
[10:55] <morghanphoenix> Then why is it a dependancy? Has it been replaged?
[10:55] <cpk2> morghanphoenix: what are you trying to do?
[10:55] <morghanphoenix> Install OGMRip
[10:55] <morghanphoenix> It says it needs libogm and it's not a part of my package I just put together from source.
[10:55] <jende> cpk2: its called libogg now
[10:56] <morghanphoenix> ahh, I have that
[10:56] <JohnFlux> "We could not calculate driving directions between california and Brighton, UK.
[10:56] <JohnFlux> "
[10:56] <JohnFlux> bah
[10:56] <JohnFlux> stupid google
[10:56] <jende> morghanphoenix: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libogg/
[10:56] <morghanphoenix> Doesn't seem to see it though, probably won't work.
[10:56] <morghanphoenix> I have the complete libogg
[10:57] <jende> morghanphoenix: and your riptool wont link to it?
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> nope, keeps asking for libogm
[10:57] <morghanphoenix> And I though Thoggen was a pain.
[10:58] <cpk2> hrmm ld might help?
[10:58] <morghanphoenix> what's that?
[10:59] <morghanphoenix> Forgive me if I ask stupid questions, less than a month on linux.
[10:59] <cpk2> gnu linker
[10:59] <cpk2> might do what you need
[11:00] <cpk2> man ld
[11:02] <morghanphoenix> afk
[11:08] <jende> cpk2: he sould simply get dvd::rip and transcode and he'll be fine
[11:10] <morghanphoenix> giving me no end of crap, it's not my favorite plan, but I think I'm going to install automatix to get dvdrip from it.
[11:10] <jende> morghanphoenix: hold on...
[11:11] <jende> morghanphoenix: http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/install.cipp
[11:11] <morghanphoenix> wait a minute, ./configure worked that time
[11:11] <jende> morghanphoenix: and follow up the installsteps given in the debian section
[11:12] <jende> morghanphoenix: what arre you installing now?
[11:18] <jende> cpk2: did you hear anything re firefox and problems using the name/logo?
[11:19] <cpk2> jende: havent bothered to look into it much seeing as how I switched to konq when i got rid of windows
[11:19] <jende> cpk2: in the latest debian updates it's called now icedove; wondering if it is going to be general prob or if its jus a debian one
[11:20] <jende> !icedove
[11:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icedove - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:20] <dude_> jende: have you tried beryl?
[11:21] <jende> dude_: not yet, hadn't had enough time - but I'll give it go this evening
[11:21] <jende> dude_: what were your probs with beryl anyway?
[11:21] <jende> !beryl
[11:21] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ Please see #ubuntu-xgl for help with beryl. Thank You.
[11:21] <morghanphoenix> Iceweasel?
[11:22] <dude_> jende: im planning to install it now
[11:22] <dude_> jende: im planning to install it now but im afraid... :)
[11:22] <jende> morghanphoenix: dont give us always just fragments its not easy to help if you're giving us just fragments or a single word
[11:23] <jende> dude_: want me to have a look at it quickly?your dapper aren't you?
[11:23] <cpk2> hrmm printf "%s\n" "printf work!" gives me bash: !": event not found
[11:23] <cpk2> ?
[11:23] <dude_> jende: yewes
[11:23] <morghanphoenix> Refering to the mozilla project, wondering if that's what was being fished for.
[11:23] <dude_> jende: yes, can you guide me?
[11:24] <morghanphoenix> Anyways, I need to restart now, think I've got it right.
[11:24] <morghanphoenix> be back in a sec
[11:24] <jende> dude_: how experienced are you?
[11:24] <cpk2> why would you need to restart after installing something?
[11:24] <jende> dude_: http://forum.beryl-project.org/forum-5-howto   and check that site first
[11:25] <dude_> jende: first time to use kubuntu
[11:25] <jende> dude_: and linux in general?
[11:25] <dude_> jende: first time also
[11:25] <dude_> :)
[11:25] <zorglu_> cpk2: the '!' is a meta char, try remplacing it by
[11:25] <zorglu_> cpk2: by '\!'
[11:26] <jende> dude_: to be honest...I wouldn't install beryl then
[11:27] <dude_> ok
[11:27] <cpk2> zorglu_: thanks
[11:28] <dude_> jende: why?
[11:28] <jende> dude_: as its stated on the beryl forum installing beryl on kubuntu is still sticky, I wouldn't say beryl is menat to be used by beginners
[11:28] <cpk2> zorglu_: \! formats the \ in there but 'printf work!' works, guess shouldnt use double quotes =P
[11:29] <jende> dude_: eventhough beryl is still on PRE-ALPHA!!!
[11:30] <jende> dude_: you know what pre-alpha means, i hope
[11:30] <Zaire> damnit I keep getting reffered back here for help with php and mysql
[11:31] <dude_> ya
[11:31] <jende> Zaire: wouldn't it be better to use for php/mysql the mailinglists of php/mysql?
[11:32] <sredna> When I run aptitude upgrade and some packages are 'not upgraded', why is that?
[11:33] <jende> dude_: why did you have on mind to install beryl?What were youur thoughts?
[11:33] <jende> sredna: try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:34] <dude_> jende: effects
[11:34] <dude_> :)
[11:34] <jende> dude_: just wait a bit until it's at least in alpha
[11:34] <cpk2> there seems to be a lot more to bash than i would have thought =\
[11:35] <sredna> jende: Thank you :)
[11:35] <jende> cpk2: what are you about to do anyway?
[11:35] <Zaire> hey cpk2 how would I configure php5 to work with mysql?
[11:35] <jende> sredna: did that help?
[11:35] <dude_> jende: ok, sure, forget beryl for the meantime
[11:35] <jende> dude_: *ggg*
[11:35] <sredna> jende: I let the normal upgrade finish first :)
[11:35] <cpk2> jende: nothing
[11:35] <jende> sredna: goon on ya
[11:36] <jende> sredna: good on ya
[11:36] <cpk2> sredna: its out already
[11:36] <cpk2> Zaire: ?? if you are just using phpbb2 everything should "just work"
[11:37] <sredna> I read at the dot about krita that "it has risen to become what is probably the best free image editing program today" -- so I hope that this time at least I can do anything at all with it ;)
[11:38] <Zaire> it doesn't however but Im not using the apt repo of phpbb2 cause it wasn't even coming close the problem with the whole thing is php5 isnt configuring to work with mysql
[11:38] <vge> Zaire: you have php5-mysql paggage installed?
[11:38] <Zaire> I tried that yea
[11:39] <dude_> jende: have you tried krdc?
[11:39] <nulix> hello ! ; I cannot write on my USB key after automatic installation ; only root can write ; what is wrong ?
[11:39] <cpk2> Zaire: have you checked to make sure php is working?
[11:39] <Zaire> how do you do that
[11:40] <cpk2> go to phpinfo page
[11:40] <cpk2> i think
[11:41] <vge> put <?php phpinfo(); ?> code into php page and open it with your browser
[11:41] <jende> dude_: yep
[11:41] <dude_> jende: i can't configure krdc
[11:42] <jende> dude_: what happens?
[11:42] <sredna> jende: No, that did not help. Maybe dist-upgrade would.
[11:42] <unique> How can I send a message to a new ID without adding the ID to my friends list in kopete?
[11:43] <jende> sredna: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:43] <Zaire> http://foxfire.hopto.org/phpbb2/admin/phpinfo.php
[11:43] <sredna> jende: That is about what I am doing :)
[11:43] <jende> sredna: *g*
[11:43] <sredna> Hm, that installs kexi :o
[11:44] <dude_> jende: when im connecting to the IP address, it authenticate then "Connection failed. The server does not accept new connections."
[11:44] <sredna> Another app that I have never been able to convince to do anything useful
[11:44] <cpk2> Zaire: maybe you want to try phpmyadmin
[11:44] <jende> dude_: is the other box a kubuntu as well
[11:45] <Zaire> I couldn't even login with it
[11:45] <jende> sredna: I haven't even used it yet
[11:45] <dude_> jende: xp
[11:45] <sredna> Next question: Is there a way to remove old kernels easily?
[11:45] <jende> dude_: puuuh...dunno much about xp; what client are you running on the xp machine?
[11:45] <jende> sredna: yep
[11:46] <cpk2> Zaire: well you probably could now that you have correctly set up an admin account
[11:46] <dude_> remote desktop
[11:46] <sredna> jende: And that is?
[11:46] <dude_> jende: remote desktop
[11:46] <cpk2> Zaire: its worth noting that I dont even have a root account
[11:46] <Zaire> phpMyAdmin - Error
[11:46] <Zaire> Cannot load mysql extension. Please check your PHP configuration. - Documentation
[11:46] <jende> sredna: I'll post you a link
[11:46] <sredna> I have 6 kernels, and I only use one!
[11:46] <cpk2> i have one with root priviledges though
[11:47] <jende> dude_: is the firewall enabled on the xp box?
[11:47] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, acidrip installed and seems to be working great.
[11:47] <cpk2> well then you should probably check the php config =P
[11:47] <dude_> jende: i'll check
[11:48] <jende> sredna: I have it, but only in german
[11:48] <Zaire> if you mean the ini file....I uncommented msql.so extension and thats all
[11:48] <omar> help please
[11:48] <omar> I cant access my USB stick
[11:48] <sredna> German is ok, I can read it
[11:48] <omar> on Kubuntu
[11:48] <omar> I insert it on my usb
[11:48] <omar> and it seems to be detected
[11:49] <omar> Kubuntu shows the "what do you want to do" window
[11:49] <omar> and give me 2 options:  "open in new window" and "do nothing"
[11:49] <jende> sredna: hold on though
[11:49] <omar> I choose to open in new window
[11:49] <omar> but nothing happens
[11:49] <omar> and I cant find the usb in the /media folder
[11:49] <omar> can anyone help me??
[11:50] <roconnor> is anything in the /media folder?
[11:50] <omar> no
[11:50] <omar> well yes
[11:50] <omar> my 2 windows disks are there
[11:50] <omar> and the CDROM
[11:50] <omar> but not the usb thing
[11:50] <omar> cdrom hda5 and hda6 (2 ntfs partitions)
[11:51] <jende> sredna: http://www.unixboard.de/vb3/showthread.php?t=20190
[11:51] <roconnor> at the command line, does cat /proc/mounts list any sda devices?
[11:51] <sredna> Thank you, jende
[11:51] <jende> sredna: you're welcome
[11:52] <jende> sredna: if that dooesn't help/guide you let me know
[11:52] <omar> no, no sda in /proc/mount
[11:52] <roconnor> hmm
[11:52] <jende> omar: post us your fstab
[11:52] <Zaire> Ive even tried purging packages and reinstalling them
[11:52] <jende> omar: basically pastebin it, I meant
[11:52] <omar> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[11:52] <omar> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:52] <omar> /dev/hda5       /media/hda5     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[11:52] <omar> /dev/hda6       /media/hda6     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[11:52] <omar> /dev/hda7       none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:52] <omar> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[11:52] <cpk2> i cant even see mysql.so in php.ini
[11:53] <omar> but this usb is a flash usb memory
[11:53] <Zaire> line 556
[11:53] <omar> I dont have to insert it before starting my machine no?
[11:53] <dude_> jende: firewall is disabled
[11:53] <jende> omar: modify your fstab
[11:53] <jende> dude_: hmmm...
[11:53] <omar> with?
[11:53] <cpk2> its commented out in my ini
[11:53] <jende> omar: the editor vi, i.e
[11:54] <omar> jajja
[11:54] <omar> yeah
[11:54] <omar> I meant
[11:54] <Zaire> then why is this giving me such a hard time :S
[11:54] <omar> with what info
[11:54] <omar> :)
[11:54] <roconnor> omar: if you check the end of /var/log/messages is there anything like ``scsi5 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices''?
[11:54] <dude_> jende: i can remote desktop using TSC
[11:54] <omar> yep
[11:54] <omar> scsi3: scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices
[11:55] <jende> omar: do you understand german?
[11:55] <omar> scsi device sda: 1019617 blah blah hdwr sectors (522 MB)
[11:55] <roconnor> omar: inspect the messages around there.  there should be a ``sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda''
[11:55] <omar> nein Ich sprache kein deustche
[11:55] <roconnor> or something like that.
[11:56] <omar> :P
[11:56] <jende> omar: http://linuxer.onlinehome.de/apps/usb.htm
[11:56] <omar> sd:3:0:0:0 attached scsi removable  disk sda
[11:56] <omar> i dont understand german
[11:56] <omar> I took 1 year but
[11:56] <omar> I am really bad :(
[11:56] <omar> pero hablo espaol :)
[11:57] <jende> omar: and that is also a nice howto http://www.clemens-kraus.de/linux/usb-stick-unter-linux.htm
[11:57] <roconnor> omar, and make sure there is no USB disconnect messages afterwards.
[11:57] <jende> omar: ask google
[11:57] <Zaire> problem seems to be phpbb2 recognising the DB despite the fact of installing php5-mysqli
[11:57] <jende> omar: and you'll get probably heaps of howtos in spanish
[11:57] <cpk2> hrmm well i never tried with mysqli
[11:57] <jende> omar: on how to set up your system for such devices
[11:57] <cpk2> just mysql
[11:57] <cpk2> dunno how different lite is
[11:57] <roconnor> Of course, omar is right, usb sticks ought to be plug and play under kubuntu.
[11:58] <roconnor> I mean they are.
[11:58] <omar> so they are not plug and play?
[11:58] <Zaire> php5-mysql was replaced with php5-mysqli
[11:58] <jende> roconnor: depends on the chipset
[11:58] <omar> because it gets recognized and all
[11:58] <roconnor> jende: it does!
[11:59] <roconnor> omar, okay, next do you have /dev/sda and/or /dev/sda1
[11:59] <roconnor> or /dev/sda0
[11:59] <jende> roconnor: I had with some lowbudget usb-stix nice dramas
[11:59] <omar> yes sda
[11:59] <omar> no /dev/sda0
[11:59] <nulix> I cannot write on my USB key after automatic installation ; only root can write ; what is wrong ?
[11:59] <omar> ha
[11:59] <omar> lots of usb keys problems :(
[11:59] <morghanphoenix> Sorry 'bout all the frustrations, guess OGM wasn't meant to be, but acidrip is working perfectly and in .avi so I can play it anywhere.
[12:00] <nulix> I do not want to add a line in fstab of course !
[12:00] <roconnor> omar, lets start with some testing here.  make a directory: /tmp/sda
[12:00] <omar> so the sda is my usb no?
[12:00] <omar> ok
[12:00] <omar> mkdir /tmp/sda
[12:01] <roconnor> and then try mount -t auto /dev/sda /tmp/sda
[12:01] <omar> woo
[12:01] <omar> I mount it
[12:01] <omar> i did it
[12:01] <roconnor> :)
[12:01] <jende> folks, see ya later!
[12:01] <omar> mounted it
[12:01] <omar> and it worked,
[12:01] <roconnor> well, that is half good
[12:01] <kinema> Is there any chance of there being a better/faster way to download a (k)ubuntu iso besides directly via HTTP or using torrent.ubuntu.com?  Currently I'm looking at more the a two hour wait seen as I the seeds can't seem to muster more then ~80kB/s.
[12:01] <omar> yep, i gotta add that to fstab?
[12:01] <roconnor> the real question is, why didn't this happen automagically
[12:01] <omar> yep
[12:01] <omar> thats what I thought
[12:01] <omar> i mounted it as root
[12:01] <morghanphoenix> automagically, I like that
[12:01] <omar> ill tryu to do it as normal
[12:01] <roconnor> omar, kubuntu normally will mount it in /media/sda
[12:02] <omar> I try to do it without SUDO and it tells me that ONLY ROOT CAN DO THAT
[12:02] <nulix> roconnor: I can write only in root mode
[12:02] <roconnor> omar, that is the case.
[12:02] <Zaire> mysql admin doesn't seem to work either
[12:02] <roconnor> with this test
[12:02] <morghanphoenix> Hmm, kubuntu seems to mount mine randomly unless I write it in to fstab, then it tries to mount my ipod as my hard drive.
[12:03] <momal> Can anyone recommend to me a good program that I can see what speed programs are using (eg copying from the net) and able to restrict to how much speed it can use (similar program on windows would be Du super Controler)
[12:03] <roconnor> omar, so this is something that will allow you to work in a sort of emergency way.
[12:03] <roconnor> don't forget to do umount /tmp/mnt before you remove the device
[12:03] <omar> but cant I add the line in the fstab ?
[12:03] <roconnor> omar, you could
[12:03] <roconnor> it would be more flexable
[12:04] <roconnor> and you probably can get it so that users can mount it too.
[12:04] <omar> can you tell me what to add?
[12:04] <omar> is it /dev/sda  /dev/usbdrive auto ????
[12:04] <omar> I dont know what to put in ????
[12:04] <Tziu_Riky> hello people
[12:05] <nulix> roconnor: normally we do not use fstab for automatic USB plugging !
[12:05] <Tziu_Riky> ay
[12:05] <roconnor> nulix: I agree, but when it doesn't happen automatically ...
[12:05] <omar> if it is fat
[12:05] <omar> what do I put?
[12:05] <omar> vfat?
[12:06] <nulix> in my case my key is automaticlly installed the only problem is that I cannot write on it only root can
[12:06] <roconnor> omar: I can give you my suggestion, but others may disagree with me and have better ideas.
[12:06] <omar> just give me your suggestion
[12:06] <omar> man you are the one helping me
[12:06] <omar> :)
[12:06] <roconnor> omar, make a directory /mnt/usbstick
[12:06] <omar> yep
[12:06] <omar> done
[12:07] <nulix> I think it might have to do with setting in file /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf
[12:07] <roconnor> err, umount the /tmp/sda
[12:07] <roconnor> we are done with that test
[12:07] <omar> yep
[12:07] <omar> done
[12:07] <roconnor> okay. lemme check my fstab
[12:07] <omar> i preffer /media/usbdrive
[12:07] <omar> just to have all the disks in the same dir
[12:08] <roconnor> okay, media/usbdrive is fine
[12:08] <omar> done
[12:08] <omar> now Im in i
[12:08] <omar> vi
[12:08] <omar> fstab
[12:08] <omar> i added this: "/dev/sda     /media/usbdrive
[12:08] <omar> but then in "options" and dump and pass dont know what to add
[12:08] <roconnor> try /dev/sda        /media/usbdrive              auto     defaults,user,noauto,sync  0       0
[12:08] <roconnor> for your fstab
[12:08] <roconnor> I think that may work well
[12:09] <omar> ok
[12:09] <omar> now I have to disconnect & connect again on?
[12:09] <roconnor> then try mount /media/usbdrive
[12:09] <roconnor> bear in mind that this configureation will NOT work for all usbsticks.
[12:09] <omar> ok one
[12:09] <omar> but hey
[12:09] <omar> I cant write on it
[12:10] <omar> (it is not write protected from the hardware)
[12:10] <roconnor> can you write with sudo?
[12:10] <omar> yep
[12:10] <omar> mmm no
[12:10] <omar> sorry
[12:10] <omar> I cant
[12:11] <omar> sorry, no I cant write with sudo
[12:11] <roconnor> hmm
[12:11] <omar> I tried mount it with normal user and touch a file with sudo
[12:11] <omar> and mounting it with sudo and touch a file with sudo
[12:11] <omar> and mounting with sudo and touch a file with user
[12:11] <omar> when I moutn it it tells me:
[12:11] <omar> block deice .../sda is wrte protected , mounting read only
[12:11] <omar> device
[12:11] <omar> but it is not write protected
[12:12] <omar> o fsck
[12:12] <omar> sorry
[12:12] <omar> wait
[12:12] <morghanphoenix> quick question, can I remove gnome without it screwing everything up? I have lots of GTK apps and am worried about screwing up my libs.
[12:12] <omar> bheheehe
[12:12] <omar> its done
[12:12] <omar> you know what happened
[12:12] <omar> ?
[12:12] <omar> when I first inserted it, it WAS write protected (from hardware)
[12:13] <omar> then I mounted and unmounted and all that
[12:13] <omar> and i realized that
[12:13] <omar> so I unprotected
[12:13] <omar> but now, I disconnected it
[12:13] <omar> and connected it again
[12:13] <omar> AAAAND
[12:13] <omar> it showed me the "what do u want to do" screen
[12:13] <omar> and after i selected open
[12:13] <omar> it actually opened it
[12:13] <roconnor> heh
[12:13] <omar> and I could write on it
[12:13] <zorglu_> the suspens is killing me :)
[12:14] <omar> darn
[12:14] <omar> hey roconnor
[12:14] <omar> I own u a beer
[12:14] <roconnor> well, then you can remove that fstab nonsense I guess.
[12:14] <omar> are you close to UK?
[12:14] <omar> mmm
[12:14] <roconnor> I'm in the netherlands.
[12:14] <omar> I dont think so
[12:14] <psb154> zorglu_ lol
[12:14] <morghanphoenix> mmm, beer
[12:14] <omar> it detectd the "usbdrive"
[12:14] <omar> I am guessing it was from the fstab
[12:14] <omar> Ill leave it like that
[12:14] <omar> as it works
[12:14] <omar> oh cool
[12:14] <omar> I am in UK
[12:14] <omar> are u close to Utrecht?
[12:15] <roconnor> I'm not convinced, but there is little harm in keeping the fstab as is.
[12:15] <omar> I went to utrecht  some time ago
[12:15] <omar> it is very cool
[12:15] <roconnor> omar: not really. I'm near Germany.
[12:15] <omar> I went to amsterdam too,
[12:15] <omar> anyway, lets not spam the place, I own you and arkady a beer
[12:15] <morghanphoenix> I like usb devices in fstab, keeps me from getting 6 sdas mounted and only one containing anything.
[12:15] <omar> now Ill copy my music and go to work
[12:16] <Jucato> s/bear/beer
[12:16] <momal> Can anyone recommend to me a good program that I can see what speed programs are using (eg copying from the net) and able to restrict to how much speed it can use (similar program on windows would be Du super Controler)
[12:16] <omar> thanks a lot man
[12:16] <roconnor> Jucato: *l* I thought you were trying to make a joke
[12:16] <omar> if you go to mexico anytime let me know i can help you
[12:16] <omar> im from there
[12:16] <Jucato> well, inadvertedly, I did :)
[12:16] <roconnor> thanks
[12:17] <omar> and I am sure I will return here
[12:17] <omar> I was using kubuntu along with windows
[12:17] <omar> on my laptop
[12:17] <roconnor> omar: but all you need to do in return is help someone else out with a problem (of any sort, not necessarily Kubuntu related)
[12:17] <morghanphoenix> eww, windows.
[12:17] <omar> yeah
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> Too bad games still suck for x
[12:18] <Jucato> morghanphoenix: I'm speaking to you from the dreaded OS of the quad-colored butterfly :P
[12:18] <zorglu_> momal, 'ctrl-esc' will give the speed. as to restrict it, it is much harder, you can use the 'nice' priority or the process accounting
[12:18] <roconnor> omar: actually make that help two people. ... for exponetial grow ;)
[12:18] <omar> but now I just have linux, i installed 1gb of mem and windows told me "Windows can not verify that this copy is genuine"
[12:18] <morghanphoenix> I have a penguin with a flyswatter on my desktop hunting your little bug.
[12:18] <omar> and I could not enter to MY freaking computer
[12:18] <Jucato> lol
[12:18] <omar> so I said wtf
[12:18] <zorglu_> momal: the nice priority are easy to setup but not that flexible as process accounting
[12:18] <omar> and removed the win partition
[12:18] <Vuen_away> man
[12:18] <Vuen_away> i get more and more surprised by kate every day
[12:19] <Vuen_away> i just opened a fortran source code file
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> I love that wallpaper
[12:19] <omar> and now I am running ubuntu 100%
[12:19] <roconnor> silly windows
[12:19] <Vuen_away> and it just magically knows its fortran and does all the syntax highlighting
[12:19] <omar> I run FC4 in my office
[12:19] <momal> zorglu_: I just need something to limit pretty much everything so i don't have to stop downloads/pause each time I wanna play game online
[12:19] <momal> zorglu_: that is easy to use
[12:19] <Jucato> Vuen_away: of course. it's the KDE Advanced Text Editor :)
[12:19] <omar> but I dont have to do administrative tasks so often
[12:19] <omar> anyway
[12:19] <morghanphoenix> My girl wants to switch to linux, but her school is contracted with MS so they have thier students required to use windows.
[12:19] <omar> thanks for the help
[12:19] <roconnor> np
[12:20] <omar> Ill return sometime
[12:20] <Vuen_away> Jucato: is there, like, a plugin or something, to give it vi controls?
[12:20] <morghanphoenix> as in a download manager?
[12:20] <zorglu_> momal: hmm unfortunatly not possible.
[12:20] <roconnor> morghanphoenix: does she get a free copy of windows?
[12:20] <Jucato> Vuen_away: hm... that I don't know. Google? :P
[12:20] <morghanphoenix> Nope, but we got an old 333 with winXP on it from someone.
[12:20] <roconnor> morghanphoenix: well, better than an old 386 with winXP.
[12:21] <morghanphoenix> Will make a good bsd/apache mail/web server once she finishes school.
[12:21] <omar> darn
[12:21] <morghanphoenix> Or maybe I'll talk her into letting me play with it as my slackware toy.
[12:22] <omar> :'(
[12:22] <omar> its slooow
[12:22] <omar> 15:33 mintues remaining to copy 27 MB
[12:22] <morghanphoenix> Nah, my 386 had win3.1
[12:22] <omar> 3 files
[12:22] <esas> i want to set a mysql root password, i read that i must type mysql -u root in a terminal program , i did this but i get an error : ERROR 1045 (28000) Acces denied for user ' root'@'localhost' ( using password : no) !!!!
[12:22] <Vuen_away> Your search - site:http://www.kate-editor.org/ vi - did not match any documents.
[12:22] <morghanphoenix> at least it's not the 8086 with win1.0
[12:22] <Vuen_away> *sniff*
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> that was really fun
[12:23] <morghanphoenix> ended up putting freeDOS on that one.
[12:23] <esas> help someone :-) ?
[12:24] <Jucato> Vuen_away: have you checked the kate-plugins package?
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> !ask
[12:24] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:24] <zorglu_> esas: mysql has pages and pages about how to setup password. it is like the most common problem :)
[12:24] <zorglu_> morghanphoenix: !readthelog :)
[12:24] <morghanphoenix> talk to ubotu, he knows everything!
[12:24] <momal> so its impossible to limit network speed for certain programs/ports?
[12:25] <esas> ok thanks
[12:25] <morghanphoenix> I keep him on a private channel
[12:25] <zorglu_> momal: this is possible thru iptables, not easy tho, and to do it only when you plays some games is even harder
[12:25] <zorglu_> momal: impossible is not fully correct, just not at all trivial
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> so will I be able to dist-upgrade once edgy is released?
[12:26] <momal> zorglu_: damnit >_<
[12:26] <Vuen_away> question, why has the "kvim" project ceased to exist?
[12:26] <morghanphoenix> I'm afeared of having to reinput all my personal info again.
[12:26] <Vuen> i can't find anything about kvim online
[12:27] <Vuen> there are news articles about kvim which all point to 404s
[12:27] <Vuen> the freshmeat page is 404, like the porject never existed
[12:27] <Vuen> s/porject/project
[12:27] <Vuen> what's the deal?
[12:29] <magic> hi a question
[12:29] <magic> why i have 2 drivers devices in xorg.conf??
[12:29] <magic> Section "Monitor"
[12:30] <magic> 	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0] "
[12:30] <magic> 	Option	    "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
[12:30] <magic> 	Option	    "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
[12:30] <magic> 	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
[12:30] <magic> EndSection
[12:30] <magic> Section "Device"
[12:30] <magic> 	Identifier  "ATI Technologies, Inc. ATI Default Card"
[12:30] <magic> 	Driver      "fglrx"
[12:30] <magic> 	Option	    "UseFBDev" "true"
[12:30] <magic> 	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
[12:30] <magic> EndSection
[12:30] <magic> Section "Device"
[12:30] <magic> 	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0] "
[12:31] <magic> 	Driver      "fglrx"
[12:31] <Jucato> magic: please do not flood
[12:31] <Jucato> !pastebin
[12:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:33] <morghanphoenix> cripes, how many channels are there?
[12:33] <magic> sorry not is larger text
[12:33] <magic> sorry you can respond my problem?
[12:34] <morghanphoenix>  /list might not have been such a good idea
[12:39] <morghanphoenix> what's the command to output your graphics setup? I want to know if direct rendering is enabled.
[12:41] <Vuen> oh, wow
[12:41] <Vuen> the guys who did kvim instead forked the whole gvim project
[12:51] <Ash-Fox> !koffice
[12:51] <ubotu> Integrated office suite for KDE, including word processing, spreadsheet, flow charting, image manipulation. For more info see: http://koffice.kde.org. Upgraded Kubu packs at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[12:56] <cox377> does anyone know of a command with kubuntu or ubuntu that would test a computer for faults, I.E run tests on all hardware
[01:05] <flaccid_> cox377: don't think such a thing exists but there are memory testers
[01:06] <cox377> Yeh, just looking now for something similar, just it would be a great addon to a live cd to be able to test a computers hardware to know if the problem was hardware depdent
[01:06] <flaccid_> cox377: its not really possible when you think about it
[01:06] <flaccid_> also if it was, it would exist by now
[01:07] <cox377> flaccid_: why would it not be possible?
[01:08] <flaccid_> because of the architecture and many different archs and proprietery archs
[01:08] <flaccid_> for eg. how would you test a video card?
[01:08] <cox377> flaccid_: but surely all it's doing is stress testing each component found one by one.
[01:08] <flaccid_> a lot of the testing would need to be beyond the standard protocol of which the device in question uses
[01:09] <flaccid_> how would you do this stress test to each component
[01:09] <flaccid_> devices only operate in a certain way
[01:09] <flaccid_> if there is not a layer to which diagnostics can be applied, there isn't much you can do
[01:09] <cox377> flaccid: are we talking about the same thing, i'm not sure if i mentioned that this app would be for fault dionostic
[01:10] <flaccid_> yes we on same level
[01:11] <cox377> flaccid_: to tell u the truth i dont know enough about linux and architectures (excuse spelling) but the concept really doesnt sound that complicated.. or am i wrong?
[01:12] <flaccid_> yes you are wrong
[01:12] <flaccid_> and i'm talking about the hardware archs, not linux
[01:12] <cox377> flaccid_: Ok, but surely by stress testing each component if there was a fault it would show up?
[01:13] <Baffy> yo guys
[01:13] <flaccid_> in theory to do the proper testing. i would need a separate program for every model of device
[01:13] <cox377> flaccid_: why so?
[01:13] <flaccid_> i already explained above
[01:13] <flaccid_> software does not talk directly to hardware
[01:14] <flaccid_> that is kind of the short answer
[01:14] <flaccid_> brb
[01:14] <Baffy> guys, does arpspoof works on a web server?
[01:14] <Baffy> *servers
[01:18] <Kim^J> Why is Samba broken in Edgy?
[01:18] <Kim^J> There's no /etc/init.d/samba so I can't do anything with it.
[01:19] <rideout> Kim^J : yes there is
[01:19] <rideout> try to reinstall it
[01:20] <rideout> dpkg -L samba | grep init
[01:23] <tomaz> hey
[01:23] <igor> how i can get the w32...
[01:24] <tomaz> is there a way to set the default behavior in konqueror to show the contents of a folder?
[01:24] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[01:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:24] <Jucato> igor: ^^^^^^
[01:24] <igor> hi
[01:24] <marcus> c un channel en anglais ou ne francais?
[01:24] <Jucato> !fr
[01:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:25] <marcus> k
[01:25] <marcus> merci
[01:25] <marcus> en tout cas vraiment bien cette version de linux. vivie kubuntu
[01:27] <marcus> quelqu'un a reussi a faire marcher beryl. moi je n'arrive pas sans doute a cause de ma carte video nvidia 7500 le
[01:28] <Jucato> marcus: /join #kubuntu-fr
[01:28] <marcus> k
[01:30] <tomaz> is there a way to set the default behavior in konqueror to show the contents of a folder?
[01:30] <|lostbyte|> tomaz, In preferences.
[01:30] <tomaz> i cant find it in preferences.
[01:31] <|lostbyte|> tomaz, configure konqueror
[01:31] <|lostbyte|> tomaz, home url : ~/
[01:31] <guy_> bonjour
[01:31] <|lostbyte|> guy_, Salam.
[01:32] <guy_> pour aller sur kubuntu edgy comment faire merci
[01:32] <|lostbyte|> guy_, What language is this ?
[01:32] <tomaz> !fr
[01:32] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:32] <Jucato> !fr
[01:32] <|lostbyte|> :)
[01:32] <Jucato> :P
[01:32] <tomaz> merci is french i guess.
[01:32] <guy_> ok merci
[01:33] <|lostbyte|> Yup.
[01:33] <tomaz> |lostbyte|, i mean, when I open konqueror it shows the icons in tree mode, when i click in one folder it switch to deitaled view mode
[01:33] <tomaz> and i wish to always be icons mode
[01:35] <tomaz> hullo?
[01:35] <|lostbyte|> tomaz, view > view mode, and then settings > save view profile
[01:36] <Martyo> is there a package for the ms web core fonts?
[01:36] <|lostbyte|> !msfonts
[01:36] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[01:39] <tomaz> arr =*
[01:39] <tomaz> tanks
[01:39] <tomaz> you nearly saved my life
[01:39] <|lostbyte|> np ;)
[01:40] <genus5> how do you add users to mysql?
[01:40] <cpk2> o.o a directory that takes over a minute to remove...
[01:41] <flaccid_> genus5: i'd suggest using phpmyadmin, otherwise learn mysql :)
[01:42] <cpk2> heh, genus5 you already in mysql as root?
[01:42] <|lostbyte|> !phpmyadmin > genus5
[01:42] <genus5> yes
[01:43] <cpk2> you dont need phpmyadmin to add a user, maybe all he wants to do is get phpbb2 running
[01:43] <genus5> yeps
[01:43] <flaccid_> cpk2: i wouldn't recommend running web applications under the root mysql user
[01:43] <genus5> well Im trying 3 at the moment but same issue
[01:43] <cpk2> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword' WITH GRANT OPTION; makes a root user
[01:43] <cpk2> and...
[01:43] <genus5> I kinda figured as much so would like to create a norm db account
[01:44] <genus5> I tried that and its like it doesn't want me to login
[01:44] <cpk2> GRANT SELECT, INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, CREATE, DROP, INDEX, ALTER, CREATE TEMPORARY TABLES, LOCK TABLES ON database1.* TO 'yourusername'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword';
[01:44] <cpk2> will make a "normal" user
[01:45] <cpk2> you login by doing mysql -u username -p
[01:45] <flaccid_> genus5: examples from cpk2 are the sql, you need to login by client in CLI or use another interface like phpmyadmin
[01:46] <flaccid_> sql is fun until you have to write long queries
[01:46] <cpk2> hehe
[01:47] <Zaire> lol
[01:47] <flaccid_> but thats what makes a good dbadmin
[01:47] <flaccid_> that kind of thinking is hectic
[01:47] <flaccid_> its low level-high level
[01:48] <Zaire> yes it works
[01:48] <flaccid_> i can only go so far
[01:48] <cpk2> yeah database management in premise is simple
[01:48] <flaccid_> database design is not
[01:48] <flaccid_> *and*
[01:48] <cpk2> but once you start having huge databases...
[01:48] <flaccid_> yeah the relationships are massive
[01:49] <flaccid_> i can't think that far in
[01:49] <Zaire> thank you so much now I have satisfied my obsessive compulsive anal rententive need to get phpbb2 installed lol
[01:49] <flaccid_> then there is OODBMS , omg
[01:49] <flaccid_> Zaire: you should convert to SMF
[01:49] <flaccid_> phpbb is old and yeah a tool
[01:49] <cpk2> smf?
[01:50] <flaccid_> simple machines forum
[01:50] <flaccid_> !find smf
[01:50] <Zaire> thanks though none the less lol
[01:50] <ubotu> File smf found in openoffice.org-qa-ui-tests
[01:50] <flaccid_> np Zaire
[01:51] <flaccid_> ubotu: thats not it ah well
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thats not it ah well - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:51] <Zaire> Ive been trying to get a forum for a month lol
[01:51] <flaccid_> Zaire: now you can get a better forum
[01:52] <Zaire> how do you tell if your running ssl?
[01:53] <flaccid> the quick way Zaire is https://localhost/
[01:53] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, nmap localhost -p 22
[01:53] <Zaire> could not connect to localhost
[01:54] <flaccid> Zaire: well you know if its running, its not working
[01:54] <flaccid> to do what |lostbyte| said, you might need to install the package nmap
[01:54] <flaccid> !nmap
[01:54] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.03-3 (dapper), package size 688 kB, installed size 2380 kB
[01:55] <|lostbyte|> Zaire, or you could try loading sftp://localhost/ from konqueror.
[01:55] <flaccid> whats performance like TLS on FTP, |lostbyte|?
[01:56] <Zaire> it let me login
[01:56] <|lostbyte|> Thats shows its running.
[01:56] <flaccid> Zaire: perhaps you don't have ssl set up for apache?
[01:57] <|lostbyte|> yeah..
[01:57] <Zaire> how would that be done
[01:58] <Zaire> well I gtg i'll get into ssl with apache later
[01:59] <flaccid> ok
[01:59] <Zaire> thanks again though laters
[01:59] <flaccid> cia0
[02:01] <trym|work> My keymap is wrong.. and when I go to keyboard layout in kde control center, no layouts are there
[02:02] <cpk2> trym|work: probably because you want to be in regional & accessability in system settings
[02:02] <igor> hey guys...i use kubuntu...but my pc is no very good...i have 256MbRAM...i'd like to know if ubuntu...using gnome...is better than kde...
[02:02] <trym|work> cpk2: Im there?
[02:02] <emonkey-p> igor, in this case try xubuntu
[02:03] <cpk2> igor: no, you wont see a performance increase
[02:03] <igor> umm
[02:03] <igor> ok
[02:04] <igor> but...the only difference is really the interface?
[02:04] <trym|work> cpk2: I didnt quite get what you meant?
[02:04] <cpk2> igor: you would want something like fluxbox
[02:05] <cpk2> trym|work: i thought you were in the peripherals directory =X
[02:05] <trym|work> cpk2: ah no
[02:06] <cpk2> trym|work: try installing keyboards-rg maybe
[02:06] <trym|work> cpk2: already have it
[02:09] <M_A_K> Ever since I formatted my HD and installed Kubuntu, when I empty the trash, the progress dialog stays at 0%.  If I close the dialog box later on, the trash is empty, but progress stays at 0.
[02:09] <cpk2> xkeyboard-config and xkbutils maybe?
[02:10] <cpk2> kinda just guessing =P
[02:10] <M_A_K> cpk2 : are these comand line utils?
[02:11] <M_A_K> command not found
[02:12] <cpk2> M_A_K: i was talking to trym|work =P
[02:13] <trym|work> cpk2: just a sec
[02:14] <trym|work> both are installed
[02:14] <cpk2> trym|work: hrmm, I wonder where kde pulls this from... I dont even have keyboards-rg and I have tons of choices
[02:15] <trym|work> i would imagine from /etc/X11/xkb
[02:15] <trym|work> but theres lots of shit there
[02:15] <crene> i am sorry but i have a question about adept,
[02:16] <crene> how is it possible to recover a working adept after crash loading sunjava.jre
[02:19] <cpk2> well it looks like it might pull it from /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base
[02:20] <cpk2> and base.lst
[02:22] <gingillo> Hi, this chat as always helped me, i hope you will do the same today: i have a problem: On boot grub gives me the error 18 (i Have win on the main partition). Can you help me?
[02:23] <felix_e> riddell: would you mind updating the koffice-latest and koffice-stable symlinks? thanks.
[02:29] <_alex> Hi ! I m looking for a gui to control speed of fans. Does anybody know such a tool ?
[02:30] <flaccid> !apm
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:30] <flaccid> !acpi
[02:31] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (dapper), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[02:32] <gingillo> !grub
[02:32] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:33] <arkady> gingillo: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18
[02:35] <gingillo> arkady: sorry, but im a real noob, can you explain me what can i do?
[02:37] <arkady> gingillo: never had that error.. i've used google
[02:38] <larson9999> Hawkwind: that swift thingie is holding up well.
[02:39] <dennister> g'morning all
[02:40] <dennister> it's garbage day here and, appropriately, i'm having a wee bit of trouble with the ubuntu trash, too :)
[02:40] <dennister> *kubuntu trash
[02:42] <dennister> no matter what I do, i get an error message saying it can't create the folder
[02:42] <gingillo> i have installed kubuntu in a wrong partition thath i would use for swap, lol. Is it possibile to move it on another partition, or i have to reinstall kubuntu?
[02:42] <dennister> can anyone help me? I've already tried making the folders it mentions as root
[02:45] <dennister> gingillo: if u've just installed it, it probably wouldn't take a lot of time to reinstall it
[02:45] <gingillo> dennister: ok :P
[02:45] <dennister> anyone else awake in here?
[02:46] <dennister> it's awfully quiet...unlike the usual
[02:47] <dennister> flaccid:
[02:47] <dennister> ?
[02:47] <dennister> hi jaaroo
[02:49] <dennister> !Trash
[02:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <dennister> !trash
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <dennister> harmental: hi there
[02:53] <ghost> hello, i just reinstalled kubuntu over the gentoo install i had as a dual boot with vista and now i can't boot into windows
[02:53] <ghost> is there a file i need to edit?
[02:54] <dennister> ghost: sorry, i have no idea, and it's awfully quiet in here today
[02:54] <Smooph> ghost: you should add some information like why you cannot boot and what you did
[02:55] <dennister> hey! someone's awake :)
[02:55] <ghost> smooph: ok here's the backstory, i had kubuntu installed before, then i made a dual boot with xp, then i replaced xp with vista and replaced kubuntu with gentoo
[02:56] <Smooph> awake ... are you kidding I am almost ready to take a nap dennister :-)
[02:56] <dennister> would you know why i can't get this trash applet working?
[02:56] <dennister> it's early in the am here in to...9 o'clock
[02:56] <ghost> i found gentoo too difficult for my early stage of linux development so i put kubuntu back on that partition. note that i was able to choose between gentoo and vista before doing so
[02:56] <Smooph> ghost: you installed vista first and after that kubuntu ?
[02:56] <ghost> yes
[02:57] <Smooph> did you(kubuntu) install grub or lilo ?
[02:58] <ghost> yes, kubuntu installed grub, i get the option of pressing ESC on boot to load a menu, but all i get to choose from are 4 kubuntu boots and a memtest
[02:58] <ghost> when i had grub on gentoo it gave me gentoo and windows p1 and windows p7
[02:59] <Smooph> ok I am not 100% sure about vista but with win XP its not a problem just add windows to the grub menu
[02:59] <Smooph> 1 second I look for mine
[03:00] <ghost> grub let me choose vista with the other distro i was using, so i figured it would under kubuntu as well
[03:00] <Smooph> it should
[03:00] <flaccid> ghost: have you tried sudo update-grub
[03:01] <dennister> hey flaccid :)
[03:01] <ghost> i had to give up on gentoo for now, i need to wait til i have another pc next to this one with help sites and support chans open....couldn't even boot into a gui. Kubuntu worked flawlessly for me before for everything except java
[03:01] <ghost> nope, will try that flaccid
[03:01] <dennister> flaccid: could u help me with my trash pls? :)
[03:02] <ghost> looks like it only found .27 and .23 and memtest again
[03:02] <flaccid> dennister: sorry never played with trash
[03:02] <malcolm> I've got a problem playing avi files on kubuntu, i checked ad xine is installed.  the error kaffeine is giving me is: A problem occur while loading a library or a decoder: divxc32.dll
[03:02] <Smooph> ghost: try adding the following in your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:03] <ghost> malcolm: you have multiverse repositories enabled?
[03:03] <dennister> hmmm can't find anything on fixing this applet, or the probs in konq when i try to send things to trash
[03:03] <Smooph> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[03:03] <Smooph> root (hd0,0)
[03:03] <Smooph> savedefault
[03:03] <Smooph> makeactive
[03:03] <Smooph> chainloader +1
[03:03] <dennister> error messages keep telling me they can't make certain folders, and when I do as root, i still get the same error messages
[03:03] <ghost> ok, so i just open that file in Kate?
[03:04] <Smooph> yes
[03:04] <flaccid> dennister: what is the error msg?
[03:04] <Smooph> but root rights
[03:04] <malcolm> i just enabled the multiverse repositories
[03:05] <Smooph> ghost: put those lines at the end
[03:05] <Smooph> of the file
[03:05] <Smooph> did you do that ?
[03:06] <dennister> k, when i try to send a file to trash, using konq, I get: Could not make folder /home/username/.local/share/Trash.
[03:06] <malcolm> why can't i play avi files?
[03:06] <ghost> did that and when i try to save it says access denied
[03:06] <monad> hi... i have a problem starting sshd on a machine at work. works fine when i want to ssh from that machine to another, but i can't get into it from outside
[03:06] <Smooph> yes you have to start kate with root
[03:06] <monad> normally /etc/init.d/sshd start does the job and creates keys
[03:07] <arkady> malcolm: try to install w32codecs
[03:07] <ghost> i'm logged in as the only user, i should have admin/root access
[03:07] <dennister> so, as root, I made Trash in the path above...then error message said the same thing, only adding another directory: info
[03:07] <ghost> do i have to launch kate from Konsole using sudo?
[03:07] <arkady> !w32codecs > malcolm
[03:07] <flaccid> dennister: pastebin ls -l ~/.local/share/Trash
[03:07] <Smooph> ghost: close kate without saving .... press Alt+F2 and type "kate" and options user "root" + password
[03:08] <dennister> !pastebin
[03:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:09] <Smooph> ghost: you know what I mean ?
[03:09] <ghost> k, done, so try rebooting now? oh, and that line for the root (hd0,0) is that specific to what partition it's on?
[03:09] <Smooph> wait
[03:09] <Smooph> not yet
[03:10] <Smooph> this is the part you might have to change
[03:10] <Smooph> which partition is your vista on
[03:10] <Smooph> by the way you can change the title to Windows Vista
[03:10] <ghost> sda1
[03:10] <ghost> heh, already did
[03:11] <dennister> flaccid: k, it's in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27089/
[03:11] <Smooph> ghost: do you have one harddrive ?
[03:11] <ghost> yes, one drive with 3 partitions + a swap partition
[03:11] <ghost> linux/vista/data
[03:12] <Smooph> k is windows first second or third ?
[03:12] <Smooph> k than change the second 0 to 1
[03:12] <ghost> under konqueror file manager it shows second
[03:12] <ghost> now that might be sorted to it's own preference
[03:13] <Smooph> ok than change "root (hd0,0)" to "root (hd0,1)"
[03:13] <ghost> k
[03:13] <Smooph> save and reboot ... let me know if it works
[03:14] <danny500> does anyone know the hot-keys to switch between workspaces?
[03:14] <danny500> for ubuntu
[03:14] <ghost> in my menu.lst all the linux boots are listed as (hd0,4)
[03:14] <Smooph> Strg+[number of workspace]
[03:14] <malcolm> i can't install the libxine-extracodecs, it's not there
[03:14] <danny500> ?
[03:14] <dennister> flaccid: u still here?
[03:14] <danny500> I have 4 workspaces
[03:15] <ghost> okies, will try that, thanks for the help
[03:15] <Jucato> !repositories
[03:15] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:15] <Jucato> malcolm: ^^^^
[03:15] <Jucato> malcolm: read that link above to enable "multiverse"
[03:15] <danny500> what is Strg?
[03:15] <dennister> k if flaccid comes back, tell him i had to go, K?
[03:15] <danny500> k
[03:15] <dennister> I'll fix it later
[03:17] <malcolm> i've already eabled the multiverse repositories and i still can't see libxine-extracodecs
[03:17] <flaccid> dennister: cia0
[03:17] <flaccid> oops
[03:18] <Jucato> malcolm: are you sure you enabled/added the correct one? you should have a line that looks like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse"
[03:19] <ghost> no luck
[03:19] <ghost> Filesystem type unknown. Error12: Invalid Device Requested
[03:19] <ghost> possibly the wrong hd number?
[03:19] <malcolm> there's no such line in there
[03:20] <ghost> doh, there goes my assistance
[03:20] <redmonkey> i want to upgrade my kubuntu system but without installing or upgrading the kernel. but how?
[03:21] <Smooph> ghost: sry laptop bat died
[03:21] <ghost> np
[03:21] <Smooph> didn't get the part with you other partitions
[03:21] <ghost> Filesystem type unknown. Error12: Invalid Device Requested
[03:21] <ghost> possibly the wrong hd number?
[03:22] <Smooph> is that the message you get when trying to boot the windows vista ?
[03:22] <ghost> that's the message i get when i select windows from the grub menu
[03:22] <arkady> malcolm: paste your sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:23] <Smooph> yes I think thats it
[03:23] <igor> anybody knows a good program to record cds in linux?
[03:24] <malcolm> where's the sources.list?
[03:24] <Smooph> because I don't know what partition vista is on I my advice would be trial and error try the partitons one after another
[03:24] <arkady> igor: k3b
[03:24] <ghost> ok
[03:24] <ghost> trying to see if i can find that info in kubuntu here somewhere
[03:24] <arkady> malcolm: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <Smooph> malcolm: /etc/apt/so..
[03:24] <Jucato> lol
[03:24] <Jucato> Smooph didn't get to finish the line :P
[03:25] <Smooph> ^^
[03:25] <Smooph> ghost: open a console
[03:25] <igor> arkady: but this on records only cds?
[03:25] <ghost> k
[03:25] <igor> musics...
[03:25] <Smooph> and type df
[03:26] <olof> anyone using ktorrent?
[03:26] <Smooph> this should show all your devices
[03:26] <ghost> i see this for my 20gb vista partition: /dev/sda1             20972824  12173056   8799768  59% /media/sda1
[03:26] <arkady> igor: it's a burning program
[03:26] <malcolm> i pasted sources.list there, now what?
[03:27] <arkady> malcom: we need the link ;)
[03:27] <olof> for ktorrent: why does it have status: stopped when i press stop and then start again?
[03:27] <malcolm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27091/
[03:28] <Jucato> malcolm: you don't have any multiverse enabled
[03:28] <Smooph> ok ghost try (0,0)
[03:28] <arkady> malcolm: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[03:29] <malcolm> i enabled eveything that wasn't a comment
[03:29] <ghost> k, trying
[03:29] <supernova_> I am not able to write any file to my usb hdd. how to change permission so that i can write into it?
[03:29] <arkady> malcolm: write the word multiverse after the word universe
[03:30] <Jucato> malcolm: the link I pointed to earlier gives instructions on waht to do. but you could follow arkady's instructions since you already have sources.list opened :)
[03:30] <arkady> malcolm: then save file, then sudo apt-get update :)
[03:31] <Smooph> you can also just open adept and change the repositories there in the menu
[03:31] <Smooph> but that might be too easy
[03:32] <Jucato> too easy? for who? :P
[03:32] <arkady> Smooph: for me changing repositories in adept it's a little buggy
[03:33] <Smooph> ok
[03:34] <supernova_>  I am not able to write any file to my usb hdd. how to change permission so that i can write into it? pls help
[03:35] <ghost> Smooph: that seemed to work
[03:35] <Smooph> Alright
[03:35] <ghost> still got a brief flash of a Filesystem unknown error, but it let me boot into vista
[03:36] <amayera> hi
[03:36] <Smooph> gz
[03:36] <ghost> thanks for your help :)
[03:36] <test2> hello everyone
[03:36] <ghost> have a good day folks
[03:37] <Smooph> Np
[03:37] <amayera> I just installed edgy eft beta. but after I used my old /home-dir I have the following problem: as soon as I delete my old ~/.local I loose all entries in the menu. how can I get the ones which are there by default?
[03:37] <morghanphoenix> anyone know an application to transcode ogg movies to avis?
[03:37] <Jucato> amayera: have you tried restart KDE? (logout and login again?)
[03:38] <amayera> Jucato: I used ctrl + alt + backspace several times. is this the same?
[03:38] <_alex> Is there a gui to manage speed fan ?
[03:38] <Jucato> hm... I guess so
[03:39] <amayera> well, I will give it a try to log out and in. cu soon
[03:39] <_alex> Can not find a manager in the repositories ...
[03:40] <dhq> how do i create a new user from shell
[03:40] <arkady> dhq: adduser
[03:41] <Smooph> !adduser
[03:41] <ubotu> adduser: Add and remove users and groups. In component main, is important. Version 3.80ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 796 kB
[03:41] <Smooph> da gibts immer ne readme oder n man zu
[03:42] <amayera> well, no that didn't do the trick.
[03:42] <amayera> anybody else an idea?
[03:42] <Jucato> :(
[03:42] <gingillo> hi, can you help me to mount my 2 disks with windows?
[03:43] <amayera> I am really wondering what it can be that doesn't let kde recreate the menu, as the .local file in a fresh /home is empty and I even use a fresh .kde
[03:43] <dhq> i am in shell account of my server
[03:43] <amayera> gingillo: what filesystem does your windows use?
[03:44] <amayera> gingillo: and do you want to mount windows filesystems from linux or vice versa?
[03:44] <gingillo> amayera: i have 2 disks (one partitioned with win and linux and another with only win) All 2 partitions are NTFS. I want to see my windows files in linux
[03:44] <Jucato> amayera: probably the needed directory structer? like ~/.local/foo ?
[03:45] <amayera> Jucato: there is a structure created after a relogin. but thats all. Trash is created in there.
[03:46] <amayera> I mean I could use my old debian menu, but that is not that beautiful.
[03:46] <Jucato> hm.. I'm clueless then... :(
[03:46] <amayera> gingillo: oh, ntfs. I don't know how far support for ntfs is in linux nowadays. the last time I used it it was supported readonly.
[03:47] <Jucato> !ntfs
[03:47] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[03:47] <Smooph> !ntfsprogs
[03:47] <ubotu> ntfsprogs: tools for doing neat things in NTFS partitions from Linux. In component main, is optional. Version 1.12.1-1 (dapper), package size 205 kB, installed size 532 kB
[03:47] <gingillo> thanks you :)
[03:47] <Smooph> gingillo: thats what you need
[03:47] <Smooph> !ntfsprogs
[03:48] <amayera> which program is the one I use to send the developers my hardware config?
[03:48] <gingillo> so must i use the guide of jucato or ntfsprogs?
[03:48] <Smooph> both
[03:49] <Jucato> :)
[03:50] <amayera> oh, my /home is encrypted with dm-crypt but that should be no problem at all, or?
[03:52] <gingillo> it works! thanks you all :)
[03:52] <fulat2k> hi folks, how can i enable mp3 ripping in kaffeine?
[03:53] <jende> Hi Folks!
[03:53] <Mortice> !mp3 > fulat2k
[03:53] <Smooph> !mp3
[03:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:54] <jende> DjDarkman_: Hi Mr dj
[03:54] <DjDarkman_> hi jende :)
[03:54] <jende> DjDarkman_: How are ya?
[03:55] <jende> cpk2: wow, you're still here and awake...*g*
[03:55] <DjDarkman_> I`m fine thank you ,and how are you?
[03:55] <jende> DjDarkman_: not to bad either, sun is shining and I'm in the office as usual
[03:56] <DjDarkman_> yeah sun is shining here too ,but it`s cold outside
[03:56] <jende> DjDarkman_: it's quite warm here - I should have bought me a covertible instead a van
[03:56] <jende> Jucato: poor bugger
[03:56] <DjDarkman_> jende: what do you do in the office?
[03:57] <Jucato> hehe. jende it's 8:30pm here. I'd be damned if I saw the sun right now :P
[03:57] <jende> DjDarkman_: I'm a freelancer and I take care of some networks
[03:58] <DjDarkman_> ohhh I see ,and do you work for cannonical ,or you`re just here to help?
[03:58] <jende> Jucato: here it's just 4pm, so a bit to go til the night will come
[03:58] <jende> DjDarkman_: just here to help
[03:59] <kumsy> anyone here to help. how can i install realplayer?
[03:59] <jende> !realplayer
[03:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:59] <Jucato> kumsy: if you follow that link to the RestrictedFormats page and install the codecs, you can use Kaffeine to play .rmvb files
[04:00] <jende> kumsy: or download the latest deb-package from the reaalplayer site, which will be installed like: sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[04:00] <Jucato> !info realplayer
[04:00] <ubotu> realplayer: Real Player (installer). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 8.0.11 (dapper), package size 22 kB, installed size 208 kB (Only available for i386)
[04:00] <Jucato> actually it's available in our repositories too :)
[04:00] <Jucato> and also in dapper-commercial
[04:01] <jende> Jucato: but the deb file on the realplayer site, as much as I know, is newer than the one we have in our repos
[04:01] <kumsy> jucato: thanks. but in our repos, it says that xlibs package requred for real player is not available
[04:02] <Jucato> jende: probably. I'm just not sure about dependencies
[04:02] <kumsy> jende: is there any deb package available in real`s site
[04:02] <Jucato> !info xlib
[04:02] <ubotu> Package xlib does not exist in any distro I know
[04:02] <jende> kumsy: yes, there is
[04:02] <kumsy> !info xlibs
[04:02] <ubotu> Package xlibs does not exist in any distro I know
[04:02] <Jucato> I thnk xlibs is renamed differently in Ubuntu
[04:02] <jende> kumsy: does it say just xlib?
[04:02] <Jucato> kumsy: do you have both universe and multiverse enabled
[04:03] <sYnie> hey there
[04:03] <kumsy> jucato: i checked adept. when i tried to install real player, it said BROKEN (INSTALL) in red colour
[04:04] <rideout> !libx11-6
[04:04] <ubotu> libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.0-0ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 693 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[04:04] <kumsy> jucato: when i checked the details, it said xlibs  is not available(greyed out)
[04:04] <rideout> libx11-6 is the xlib package
[04:04] <sYnie> every time, i copy things from DVD that works perfekt. but when i try to copy things from a CDRom, i'll get a input/output error. thats what dmesg says: http://nopaste.php-q.net/247327
[04:04] <sYnie> any ideas ? o.O
[04:04] <kumsy> jende: any link for that deb package u may give
[04:06] <jende> kumsy: first a link to the xllibs manual, which might be handy to have a look at
[04:06] <jende> kumsy: www.the-labs.com/X11/XLib-Manual
[04:06] <kumsy> rideout: i have that package installed
[04:07] <rideout> kumsy: the realplay packages all require libx11-6
[04:07] <rideout> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6, libxext6, libxv1
[04:07] <kumsy> jucato: btw, i use opera to listen to online radio(like one on RAAGA.com)\
[04:08] <jende> kumsy: http://www.real.com/linux/
[04:08] <kumsy> jucato: it streams real media through javascript popup
[04:08] <Jucato> ah
[04:09] <jende> kumsy: so its .bin file now, they used to have deb's but shouldn't matter
[04:09] <kumsy> jucato: will i be able to play them when i install the realplayer(it plays well in XP after i installed real there in XP)
[04:10] <kumsy> jende: ya~ i`m downloading that bin file
[04:10] <jende> kumsy: cool, it does the job on my debian etch box just perfectly
[04:10] <Jucato> kumsy: I'm not sure about online/streaming media :(
[04:10] <kumsy> jende: will u tell me how to install that package. sorry! i`m a noob
[04:11] <kumsy> juctao: have u tried ever?
[04:11] <jende> Jucato: can we give that realplayer link somehow in the hands of the bot?so he knows
[04:11] <Jucato> jende: probably, but the thing is, it's the least recommended method. so it probably wouldn't be good to have ubotu memorize it
[04:11] <adwait> hello all
[04:12] <Jucato> kumsy: streaming real format? no. only downloaded ones
[04:12] <jende> kumsy: move on a shell into the directory in which you just downloaded the file
[04:12] <adwait> could somebod tell me if upgrading to edgy right now is a good idea? and if so, can I simply change the references in /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade?
[04:12] <jende> kumsy and then make it executable using chmod; sudo chmod a+x <filename>
[04:12] <Jucato> adwait: not yet. it's still not officially released
[04:13] <Jucato> unless you really want to play around a bit, and are prepared for some random breaking and some updates
[04:13] <jende> kumsy: and the type sudo ./Real......... and follow up the install process
[04:13] <adwait> jucato: well I have upgraded to betas in the past and nothings major really ever broken......so can I do the upgrade using apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:13] <kumsy> jende: thank ya verymuch. what kubuntu r u using(is it edgy)
[04:14] <Jucato> adwait: yeah. just need to change sources.list
[04:14] <jende> kumsy: yep...I'm on edgy
[04:14] <kumsy> jende: hows edgy? any upgrades?
[04:14] <adwait> ok thanks :)
[04:15] <kumsy> jende: another thing,,,, can we install dapper packages in edgy
[04:15] <Jucato> kumsy: not really
[04:16] <jende> kumsy: it comes with a lot more nice features and it has the latest OpenOffice Version in it, which is much more stabel
[04:16] <jende> kumsy: no you cant install dapper packages on edgy
[04:16] <jende> jende: and a few more nice things
[04:17] <Jucato> kumsy: Edgy has: a new *generic* kernel, KDE 3.5.5, new init system (for geeks :P), new artwork and color scheme, a new USplash, new KSplash, some of the latest packages, and more
[04:18] <kkathman> Alot of those things have been around for a while, just not in Kubuntu
[04:18] <jende> Jucato: it's a beauty - basically
[04:18] <jende> kkathman: they haven't been in Debian stable either
[04:18] <Jucato> jende: yeah I've been there until Beta was released
[04:18] <kkathman> what kernel is going to be standard in Edgy ??
[04:19] <kumsy> jende: u have way tooooo much kubuntu in ur head
[04:19] <Jucato> kkathman: Debian has Upstart? *gasps*
[04:19] <jende> kumsy: toooo much? wouldn't say that
[04:19] <kkathman> jende:  well, I mean for instance higher kernerls, KDE 3.5.5, Higher versions of Amarok, etc :)
[04:19] <Jucato> kkathman: well, of course, since Kubuntu takes its packages from Debian Sid :)
[04:20] <kkathman> right
[04:21] <jende> kumsy: I'm still learning, but thats the good thing about Linux systems you'll never stop learning
[04:21] <Jucato> still, there are some stuff the Debian doesn't have that Edgy will have. Upstart, USplash, artwork, etc.
[04:21] <kkathman> 2.6.15 as a kernel is a bit behind  tho.. but I suppose one could pop a higher kernel if they wanted (but not if yer LTS I guess)
[04:21] <Jucato> I though Edgy will release with 2.6.17?
[04:21] <Jucato> s/though/thought
[04:21] <acaua> oi
[04:22] <LjL> Jucato: definitely should...
[04:22] <fdoving> Jucato: correct, edgy got 2.6.17
[04:22] <Hobbsee> kkathman!!!!
[04:22] <kkathman> there could be some benefit for a few people on a new kernel I guess :)
[04:22] <kkathman> Hi there Hobbsee :)
[04:22] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! fancy seeing you this late :)
[04:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ltns
[04:23] <tobias_> anyone know how to make the flashplayer go full screen? trying to see the daily show episodes on pollsmoking.com
[04:23] <jende> Jucato: i comes wit a 2.6.17
[04:23] <kkathman> Hobbsee:   hee hee - Im back to Kubuntu now.. dumping SuSE
[04:23] <jende> Jucato: it comes with a 2.6.17
[04:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: *NICE!*
[04:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: why so?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> kkathman: and edgy is very pretty :)
[04:24] <jende> Hobbsee: Hi ;-)
[04:24] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  too many probs, and not enough support.. Novell is ruining SUSE
[04:24] <Hobbsee> heya jende
[04:24] <Hobbsee> kkathman: true that.
[04:24] <Jucato> noooo!! don't dump SuSE!! lol
[04:25] <jende> Hobbsee: edgy is a beauty and as much as I can say it's quite stable
[04:25] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  dont get me wrong..its a nice distro..but 10.1 was a disaster and took them 6 months just to respin install disks from  very serious package manager bugs
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kkathman: *ouch*
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kkathman: so they did finally release 10.1
[04:26] <blind_> where can i get the package libgnutls13
[04:26] <blind_> ??
[04:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: huh? it's been quite a while
[04:26] <Jucato> kkathman: it pains me that the respin was just released barely two weeks after I downloaded the original 10.1, and I haven't even had the chance to use those...
[04:26] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  oh sure, if you were Lucky and went to SMART as the pkg manager, you were ok, as I was. But the community is deteriorating, and unpleased with Novell.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ahhh.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> kkathman: how is smart?
[04:27] <kkathman> Jucato:  as I understand, the respin is good, tho.  But, very late yes.  10.2 is due out next month
[04:27] <Jucato> next month? oh krap...
[04:27] <blind_> where can i get the package libgnutls13 ????
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !info libgnutls13 dapper
[04:28] <ubotu> Package libgnutls13 does not exist in dapper
[04:28] <Hobbsee> !info libgnutls13 edgy
[04:28] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  its good, very good. Reliable and the dependency algorithms are excellent.  My opinion is that YaST should incorporate it, but prolly wont happen
[04:28] <ubotu> libgnutls13: the GNU TLS library - runtime library. In component main, is important. Version 1.4.0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 262 kB, installed size 652 kB
[04:28] <Hobbsee> blind_: it's only in edgy
[04:28] <Hobbsee> kkathman: ahh...nice :)
[04:28] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  what's target for Edgy now, datewise??  Few weeks ?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> kkathman: 26/10
[04:28] <Jucato> kkathman: is SMART fast? (considering it's Python?)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> strike, i'd better upload some things :P
[04:29] <kkathman> Jucato:  comparably to YAST, its extremely fast, compared to apt-get, its slightly slower, but you dont get the metapackage issues either so I'd say its a trade off
[04:30] <kkathman> I exclusively used smart, not YAST
[04:30] <Jucato> compared to Aptitude?
[04:30] <Jucato> (which handles metapackages)
[04:30] <kkathman> about the same as Aptitude perhaps, but slightly slower. But reliability is excellent
[04:30] <kkathman> its a bit more intuitive for a new user perhaps
[04:31] <Jucato> ah. I thought Ubuntu would be moving towards SMART. mabye after Edgy...
[04:31] <kkathman> But the smart -gui is very simiar to synaptic
[04:31] <kkathman> people using the Gui wont have probs at all, CLI implementation is easy to learn
[04:33] <jende> DjDarkman_: why were you interesting in what I'm doing here?
[04:33] <Jucato> kkathman: that's good to hear. I had reservations about SMART becuase even its devs admit that it's a bit slow. I haven'd had any experience with YaST so I couldn't compare
[04:34] <DjDarkman_> jende: just wanted to know it ,no real reason
[04:34] <jende> DjDarkman_: i see, just a bit curious you were
[04:34] <DjDarkman_> yep
[04:34] <jende> DjDarkman_: what are you doing
[04:34] <jende> DjDarkman_: what are you doing?
[04:35] <DjDarkman_> writing myself a frontend for wondershaper ,cause I`m tired of always writing it to the cli
[04:35] <kkathman> Jucato - If they remove alot of the visual feedback, it would be faster.  Dont get me wrong, its slower than apt or aptitude, but what's very good is the depdendency algorithms, without having to use metapackages
[04:36] <jende> DjDarkman_: i haven't used wondershaper so far
[04:36] <DjDarkman_> jende: it`s a net bandwidth limiting program
[04:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[04:36] <jende> DjDarkman_: okay, I never had to use such a tool
[04:37] <jende> BluesKaj: Hi buddy ;-)
[04:38] <DjDarkman_> jende: I have two friends here and we use the same internet connection
[04:38] <BluesKaj> hi jende , wassup ?
[04:38] <jende> DjDarkman_: well, then such a tool might be handy to have indeed
[04:38] <jende> BluesKaj: nothing much
[04:39] <jende> BluesKaj: it's kinda like quiet today in here
[04:39] <jende> Jucato: yes, please...hehe
[04:40] <DjDarkman_> jende: what do you know about edgy ,do they want to wait for kde4 until they release it`s final?
[04:40] <jende> DjDarkman_: as much as I know they wont wait - the release will be on 26/10
[04:40] <Jucato> "Mark Shuttleworth becomes the first Patron of KDE" http://dot.kde.org/1160932072/ (note: it has nothing to do with saints :P)
[04:40] <BluesKaj> yeah, i was running windows for a bit today, but I got bored ...linux is much more fun even when it's boring , if ya know what i mean  :)
[04:41] <jende> BluesKaj: yep, i know what you mean...lol
[04:41] <jende> BluesKaj: <- scared of getting some minor probs
[04:42] <jende> BluesKaj: but as I said yesterday i hadn't had any which weren't easily to fix
[04:42] <BluesKaj> I still have some like my TV tuner card not being supported by dapper ...it works with tvtime ok tho except the audio has to be fed seperayely
[04:43] <jende> BluesKaj: i'm not really into all that multimedia stuff anyway
[04:44] <BluesKaj> jende: , it's an elcheapo ati TV Wonder Pro
[04:44] <BluesKaj> well, I do a lotta movie burning for my grandkids and wife
[04:46] <BluesKaj> what's Microsoft MTP? I see it as an adept update
[04:47] <jende> BluesKaj: Microsoft Media transport Protocol
[04:47] <BluesKaj> hehe, I think I get it
[04:48] <jende> BluesKaj: http://www.directionsonmicrosoft.com/sample/DOMIS/update/2004/10oct/1004mpumsf_sb.htm
[04:49] <jdawiz> how would I make the following into a repository in kubuntu dapper.  I know how to manipulate the sources file but for some reason I can't get this to work as a repository http://debsarge.plutohome.com/download/debian/main/binary-i386/pluto-orbiter_<IP_ADDRESS>_i386.deb
[04:49] <jende> BluesKaj: that should give you more than just an idea of what it's re MTP all about
[04:51] <jende> BluesKaj: what chipset does your TVcard have?
[04:51] <BluesKaj> dunno
[04:52] <jende> lspci should tell you
[04:54] <dinosaur-rus> hi
[04:54] <BluesKaj> ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5a3f
[04:55] <jende> BluesKaj: its a X600 chipset
[04:55] <BluesKaj> my tvtuner card isn't supported
[04:55] <jende> what are you using to watch tv
[04:56] <carsten> Moin
[04:56] <jende> BluesKaj: something like mythtv?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> satellite receiver with a compsite video connection
[04:56] <BluesKaj> and analog audio
[04:56] <carsten> Is there a rss-feed or something which tracks changes in Edgy? There was a nttp-group for dapper but there is none for Edgy Eft
[04:56] <BluesKaj> TvTime
[04:56] <robin_> why do mp3's sounds so much better with amarok than they do with other programs in kubuntu and in xp for that matter?
[04:56] <dinosaur-rus> I have problems with compiling 32-bit apps that use X Window system (Wine, particularly)
[04:57] <jende> BluesKaj: check out that site: http://www.rulerofearth.com/
[04:57] <wedgeV> they dont?
[04:58] <BluesKaj> damn, I updated FF and now it won't launch when clicking on URLs in konversation
[04:58] <morghanphoenix> Ooh jende, something that lists my card!
[04:58] <jende> BluesKaj: and that one, too   http://gatos.sourceforge.net/
[04:58] <jende> morghanphoenix: what, what, what???
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> I don't like the very alpha part though
[04:59] <kkathman> does anyone know if you can supress the "Popup Blocked" message in Konqueror? Its as annoying as the popup itself :)
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> 16 meg all-in-wonder rage 128
[04:59] <BluesKaj> right on jende! thx :)
[04:59] <dinosaur-rus> kkathman: use Opera ;)
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> I agree
[04:59] <jende> BluesKaj: sometimes I can at least help
[04:59] <morghanphoenix> Always use Opera
[05:00] <dinosaur-rus> it's 32-bit, but still very very good
[05:00] <kkathman> dinosaur-rus:   well I would, except its terrible when it comes to playing multimedia embedded
[05:00] <morghanphoenix> Only annoyance I've had there was the pop-up to tell me flash wasn't installed.
[05:00] <rideout> robin_: what engine do you use with amarok, maybe you have some option that enables/diables duplex sound or something that might make it better
[05:00] <morghanphoenix> xine
[05:00] <morghanphoenix> always xine
[05:00] <morghanphoenix> all amarok supports
[05:01] <dinosaur-rus> morghanphoenix: XMMS isn't bad, too :P
[05:01] <morghanphoenix> unless you've got that wierd distro that uses gstreamer despite the fact it's unsupported.
[05:01] <morghanphoenix> I forget which one it was
[05:01] <morghanphoenix> But they packaged amarok with gstreamer even though it's not supported.
[05:01] <robin_> you dont understand,  amarok sounds great, everything else sucks lol
[05:01] <dinosaur-rus> I have problems with compiling 32-bit apps that use X Window system (Wine, particularly)
[05:02] <LjL> I'm not sure why on the official Kubuntu channel people would so strongly suggest the use of a proprietary web browser.
[05:02] <morghanphoenix> What do I need windows wise for WINE?
[05:02] <morghanphoenix> It uses dlls doesn't it?
[05:02] <dinosaur-rus> I can't compile Wine itself
[05:02] <morghanphoenix> It's still free, just closed source
[05:03] <BluesKaj> jende: , my TV Wonder Pro card isn't listed ...i can configure something with TVTime cuz i do have video ...I just have to rig the audio feed differently than i do in windows .
[05:03] <morghanphoenix> And it's actually more secure than firefox.
[05:03] <morghanphoenix> Now firefox is seccond place
[05:03] <Genix|linux> morghanphoenix: what browser?
[05:03] <morghanphoenix> And wonder of wonders, IE is last.
[05:03] <morghanphoenix> Opera
[05:04] <Genix|linux> hmm
[05:04] <Jucato> is morghanphoenix preaching the benefits of Opera again? :P
[05:04] <dinosaur-rus> even in 32-bit mode linker tries to find X libraries in /urs/lib
[05:04] <Genix|linux> how does it run under kubuntu
[05:04] <morghanphoenix> Only browser ranked higher than firefox for security
[05:04] <morghanphoenix> Great
[05:04] <Jucato> Opera runs great under Kubuntu
[05:04] <jende> BluesKaj: the card itself doesn't have to be really listed. The chipset is the part which needs to be fully supported
[05:04] <Jucato> specially since it uses Qt :)
[05:04] <Genix|linux> how do i set something to run at start up under kde i know you go to sessions in gnome but not sure about kde
[05:04] <dinosaur-rus> Genix|linux: I use Opera and it works pretty well
[05:04] <morghanphoenix> It's even got the repo in source-o-matic
[05:04] <ZeroCool> do they got a fix for monitor & display module issue...
[05:05] <aether> Which browser is this Morg?
[05:05] <Jucato> or just use the one from dapper-commercial or Hawkwind's repository
[05:05] <Genix|linux> hmm i might hafta try opera
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> Or automatix, it has it in the list of programs that can be installed.
[05:05] <dinosaur-rus> hmm, can anyone help me?
[05:05] <Jucato> Just 2 issues I have with Opera: if you like Google products/service, they don't render properly; URL completion is done by pressing Tab
[05:05] <morghanphoenix> You're WINE, right?
[05:06] <Genix|linux> hawkwinds repo?
[05:06] <LjL> Please note that Opera is a proprietary (and, in some of its incarnation, not even free as in beer) browser. It might be a good browser, but advicing to use it instead of open-source free alternatives on Ubuntu is totally ill-minded, IMHO. It's just about like saying "Just use Windows" is someone comes here and asks about an Ubuntu problem.
[05:06] <dinosaur-rus> morghanphoenix: what do you mean?
[05:06] <BluesKaj> jende, there 's a warning http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ati.2.php
[05:06] <Jucato> Genix|linux: Hawkwind runs SeerOfSouls, one of the largest 3rd party Mandriva repositories. He also occasionally packages some stuff for Ubuntu. one of them is Opera
[05:06] <morghanphoenix> the WINE issue was you dinosaur?
[05:07] <dinosaur-rus> LjL: where isn't Opera free?
[05:07] <morghanphoenix> It wasn't
[05:07] <Jucato> LjL: it's their choice to use, as it is our choice to suggest, as it is your choice not to suggest :)
[05:07] <morghanphoenix> It is now, just closed source.
[05:07] <morghanphoenix> Same as Java, click agree and it's free.
[05:07] <dinosaur-rus> morghanphoenix: well, not only Wine is affected, but I need it but can't get compiled :(
[05:08] <Genix|linux> you guys all on dapper or anyone using edgy
[05:08] <Jucato> same as Flash, NVIDIA/ATI drivers, VMWare, etc.
[05:08] <morghanphoenix> Yeah, thought so, I can't help you, having problems there myself.
[05:08] <morghanphoenix> Not untill, what is it, the 26th?
[05:08] <dinosaur-rus> Genix|linux: I'm on Edgy
[05:09] <Jucato> Genix|linux: I was on Edgy until Knot 3 (pre Beta)
[05:09] <dinosaur-rus> hehe, I'm on Knot 3 :))
[05:09] <Genix|linux> o
[05:09] <Genix|linux> i'm on the latest beta
[05:09] <Genix|linux> no idea what that is
[05:09] <Genix|linux> lol
[05:09] <LjL> Jucato, there are things that simply shouldn't be suggested on these channels. I'm certainly not the one who can *dictate* what these things should be, but for instance, you can be sure that suggesting the use of the "rm" command in certain ways is *not* tolerated... so if you're thinking of the line that "everyone's free to suggest whatever", that's just not correct.
[05:10] <Genix|linux> dinosaur-rus: you have shockwave or flash working?
[05:10] <jende> BluesKaj: I'm quite sure that it should work, but I'll ask a friend of mine tonight - he is into TV and stuff with Linux in general
[05:10] <dinosaur-rus> morghanphoenix: at least do you have any idea what's going on with the linker? why does it looks in the wrong directory for SOME (not all!) libs?
[05:11] <morghanphoenix> Not a clue, the linker is my OGM problem.
[05:11] <Genix|linux> and damn no opera for amd64 :(
[05:11] <dinosaur-rus> Genix|linux: not tried yet, I'm busy with linker promlems ATM
[05:11] <Jucato> LjL: but that rm command present more than just a moral problem. it presents a technical one. if you become really strict with suggesting only free software, we wouldn't even have ubotu talk about RestrictedFormats or teach people how to install the binary drivers. in some ways we are free, in some ways we are not. suggesting browsers is one of those we are free to talk about
[05:11] <Genix|linux> yeah dino i'm trying to get my 5.1 working
[05:12] <jende> Jucato: FACK!
[05:12] <Genix|linux> not going too well
[05:12] <Jucato> jende: huh?
[05:12] <dinosaur-rus> Genix|linux: what 5.1?
[05:12] <LjL> Jucato, the RestrictedFormat factoid *and* page describes clearly the reasons why unrestricted formats are preferred. Here on this channel, what I saw was more on the lines of: "I have a problem with my Konqueror" "Just use Opera instead".  I don't consider this acceptable.
[05:12] <morghanphoenix> Hell, I've even seen people tell someone how to install IE in here, for web-dev of course, but still IE. Can't complain about Opera after that one.
[05:12] <jende> Jucato: FACK to that what you just said to LjL
[05:13] <morghanphoenix> Ah, I missed the first part.
[05:13] <Genix|linux> dino my 5.1 sound
[05:13] <Jucato> jende: I'm sorry, but what does FACK mean? (clueless here)
[05:13] <jende> Full Acknowledgement
[05:13] <Jucato> jende: aaah
[05:13] <dinosaur-rus> Genix|linux: ah..
[05:13] <kkathman> well in all honesty, being the one that started this... I fixed my issue :)
[05:13] <morghanphoenix> I just saw Opera and love it so much I had to agree with anyone promoting it.
[05:13] <aether> Fack im guessin is the equivilant to fuck
[05:13] <aether> I was using it last night out of boredom lmao
[05:13] <jende> aether: you're unfortunately wrong
[05:14] <aether> meh
[05:14] <jende> aether: hehe
[05:14] <aether> I said im guessin :P
[05:14] <LjL> !language
[05:14] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:14] <Jucato> LjL: and that is where your freedom to disagree comes in. Remember, the question was more technical. someoune could have suggested to use Firefox, but then even Firefox, in Debian's eyes is not totally unencumbered
[05:14] <kkathman> But Opera isnt the solution, its API, fwif, doesnt support kmplayer so to me its not a viable solution for pages that offer in line video like CNN or BBC  thats why I use Konq :)
[05:14] <jende> Jucato: TB has been has been already "renamed" to Icedove
[05:15] <morghanphoenix> supports mplayer and kaffeine
[05:15] <Jucato> jende: oh. I was thinking it would be something contrasting "thunder", probably something like "ground"  or "wind" (just as "ice" contrasts with "fire")
[05:16] <kkathman> morghanphoenix:  the info I got was from the Opera people themselves, so I certainly open if you can show me a way to play videos from CNN in Opera :)
[05:16] <jende> Jucato: we had just yesterday a nice discussion bout that on the german user debian list...
[05:16] <kkathman> but, Ive tried ALOT and I have yet to be successful
[05:16] <morghanphoenix> Kaffiene uses the mozilla plug-in, it's what I have running now.
[05:16] <kkathman> morghanphoenix:  and you can see CNN videos?
[05:17] <kkathman> i.e. click on a video link on that page and view?
[05:17] <LjL> Jucato: but do you agree that, for instance, a blanket "Use sudo passwd root" is never considered an acceptable answer to the question "How can i become root"? There are some answers that should *always* be given together with the due explanations and caveats, and I am convinved that much of the Ubuntu channels staff supports this view.
[05:17] <morghanphoenix> Haven't been to cnn, but it plays the mpgs and avis on other web pages, what format does cnn use?
[05:17] <Genix|linux> if i have edgy on can i go back to dapper or would i have to re install
[05:17] <kkathman> morghanphoenix:  no it doesnt...they are wmv files
[05:17] <kkathman> as does BBC
[05:18] <morghanphoenix> hmm, you have w32?
[05:18] <aether> we talking about t.v channels now?
[05:18] <kkathman> Mpgs and avia are no problem, I agree, morghanphoenix
[05:18] <aether> cnn BBC lol :s
[05:18] <kkathman> morghanphoenix:  yes - as I said, it seems to be a technical thing
[05:18] <morghanphoenix> wierd.
[05:18] <Jucato> LjL: I agree. but again, because the argument is technical rather than moral.
[05:18] <kkathman> Firefox can play these also, just Opera cannot - which was why I pursued it to Opera
[05:19] <morghanphoenix> I'd check it, but am on a fresh install, no plug-ins yet.
[05:19] <Jucato> LjL: don't get me wrong. I use Konqi as my primary browser, and just fallback on Firefox for Google and WYSIWYG stuff
[05:19] <dinosaur-rus> kkathman: may be because Opera is 32-bit?
[05:20] <kkathman> dinosaur-rus:  well, according to the Opera dev that I spoke with, it has to do with the particular API that they use and its not compatible with mplayer or kmplayer
[05:20] <kkathman> while Firefox and Konq are
[05:20] <LjL> Jucato: the argument is mostly technical about using proprietary browsers, as well. Just look at the channel topic in #ubuntu if you don't mind -- it talks about a vulnerability in the proprietary nvidia drivers, which cannot be fixed by the Ubuntu developers (clearly), and advices to switch back to the nv driver.  And I don't think this is a far-fetched comparison, since browsers are far from being rarely-exploitable beasts.
[05:21] <morghanphoenix> I'd use konqueror just to keep it simple, but it seems to have less compatibility than opera does.
[05:21] <LjL> Jucato: using proprietary software simply means using software that the Ubuntu developers cannot directly support and fix. People using such software should know, and people suggesting its use should tell. This is on technical merits.
[05:21] <morghanphoenix> I think I might go with sea monkey someday though.
[05:21] <Jucato> LjL: our argument is bordering on moral. but the original problem was purely technical. "something doesn't work on Konqi"
[05:21] <kkathman> morghanphoenix:  I dont disagree with that.  Opera is my browser of choice, just that it cant play alot of inline streams, to my dismay
[05:21] <LjL> Jucato: yes, and the answer was a blanket "Use Opera", for what I could see.
[05:22] <BluesKaj> anaged to fix FF as default URL browser in settings/configure/general...browser option was greyed out ...just had to type in "firefox "
[05:22] <BluesKaj> anaged
[05:22] <morghanphoenix> agreed, recomend Opera because it's a great program, make sure to note it's closed source and unsupported.
[05:22] <rittap> Hi all, how do I insert Flash support into Konqueror on x86_64 architecture?
[05:22] <Jucato> LjL: but that's the prerogative of the one who suggested it. he was answering from a technical point of view.
[05:22] <BluesKaj> so you like opera more than FF
[05:22] <Jucato> of course, you're free to disagree with me. but the discussion is going nowhere, don't you think?
[05:22] <morghanphoenix> Much more
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> Personal taste
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> I just think EVERYONE should try both, they both have merits, Opera's just the one for me.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> always open top new programs ...tried opera in the past but was a bit clunky at the time
[05:23] <morghanphoenix> It was really bad
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> Been improved a LOT recently.
[05:24] <LjL> Jucato: I think it's his prerogative, *as long* as he specifies that Opera, being proprietary, cannot be supported directly by the Ubuntu team (so no guarantee of security updates, chiefly). This note should always come with such a suggestion, just like the note that "it's not really supported and you shouldn't do it" should always come with an answer to "how do i set a root password".
[05:24] <dinosaur-rus> I guess it's, at least, weird to think "only open-source, and nothing more"...
[05:24] <BluesKaj> is Opera in the repos ?
[05:24] <sheft> hello, how do i make a shortcut to a konsole command... i wanna open konsole and then execute this command: "cd spel/q3 <enter> ./quake3.x86 +set fs_game cpma"
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> Added repos
[05:24] <LjL> dinosaur-rus: i haven't said that.
[05:24] <morghanphoenix> Source-o-matic has it
[05:24] <LjL> BluesKaj: it's in dapper-commercial AFAIK.
[05:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:25] <kkathman> On the Opera site there is a specific Ubuntu download, also
[05:25] <Jucato> it was in multiverse before. but now that there's dapper-commercial, it has been put there instead
[05:25] <morghanphoenix> Yup, and Automatix does it too.
[05:26] <tobias_> anyone know how to make the flashplayer go full screen? trying to see the daily show episodes on pollsmoking.com
[05:26] <tobias_> Its sad to see it in a small window :(
[05:26] <dinosaur-rus> LjL: but you suggest using open-source software with so much persistense....
[05:26] <tobias_> jon stewart needs to be in full screen
[05:26] <dinosaur-rus> *c
[05:27] <morghanphoenix> Yes, preferably over my own 19" flat
[05:27] <kkathman> Jucato:  I apologize for causing such a stir for a simple question..hehe :)
[05:27] <morghanphoenix> One of those 30"s would be nice.
[05:27] <Jucato> kkathman: it's ok. I actually blame morghanphoenix :P