[07:26] <ubotu> checkinstall is, like, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[07:27] <Myrtti> joins quits parts even
[07:27] <bob2> faddat: so I'd assume at least the default theme engine does
[07:27] <Madpilot> jmark: that might not be a good idea, but I'm not an expert.
[07:27] <volvoguy> faddat, yeah. do what ubotu said. :) it makes uninstalling much easier.
[07:27] <ashwani> carthik, is there any ubuntu group on Yahoo messanger
[07:27] <Antioch> Doesn anyone have Gnome power manager installed on ubuntu?
[07:28] <ashwani> dr_willis, why laughing on me sir
[07:28] <faddat> thanks :).  Sounds like a good tool for a guy who likes to break his comp as much as I do
[07:28] <volvoguy> faddat, since i'm curious myself, i'll give it a try and see if i can help you out.
[07:28] <volvoguy> faddat, yeah.... it rocks for us bleeding edge types. :)
[07:28] <cyphase> Anyone have any ideas for the defualt homepage in Ubuntu?
[07:28] <Antioch> ubuntulinux.org?
[07:28] <cyphase> I'm planning on making a new one
[07:28] <ashwani> cyphase, what you want to kow
[07:28] <dr_willis> ashwani,  why not just go LOOK at the list of the yahoo chat rooms and see whats tehre.. i tried their linux room once.. you are better off here..
[07:29] <HiddenWolf> cyphase, talk to #ubuntu-docteam about that
[07:29] <nalioth> Antioch: yes
[07:29] <cyphase> no, a file on the drive that can be used as a homepage
[07:29] <Antioch> nalioth does it work well?
[07:29] <ashwani> dr_willis, did you find any room there
[07:29] <cyphase> with links to the forums, ubuntuguide.org, brief description, etc
[07:29] <ashwani> dr_willis, did you find any room there
[07:29] <dr_willis> ashwani,  a linux room yes... and they were.. well .. not very bright...
[07:29] <nomad1> bob2, rm: cannot remove `/home/nomad/Desktop/C:': Is a directory
[07:29] <cyphase> HiddenWolf, thanx
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, that means just a new growing community
[07:30] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: the website?
[07:30] <bob2> nomad1: sudo rm -r ~/Desktop/*:*
[07:30] <dr_willis> ashwani,  i dont think so...
[07:30] <dr_willis> ashwani,  those that are in the know.. use irc.
[07:30] <bob2> nomad1: but, seriously, don't make folders in ~/ ownde by root in future
[07:30] <nomad1> thx
[07:30] <cyphase> i'll try and catch the first one to log on :)
[07:30] <nomad1> sure
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, ok
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: not familiar with gnome power mangler
[07:30] <nomad1> i learnt my lesson
[07:30] <Antioch> nalioth sorry... mistake
[07:30] <nalioth> Antioch: missed your earlier question
[07:30] <ashwani> dr_willis, actually this IRCChat is not that good how much yahoo messanger is
[07:30] <CountDown> Hi all.  How can I find out to which package a system file belongs?  For example, I'm interested in knowing which package is responsible for installing the /usr/include/usb.h file.
[07:30] <Antioch> nalioth its ok
[07:31] <bob2> CountDown: dpkg -S file
[07:31] <dr_willis> ashwani,  that made no sence to me.
[07:31] <nomad1> lol bob2 check this
[07:31] <nomad1> nomad@ubuntu:~$ sudo rm -r ~/Desktop/C:\
[07:31] <nomad1> >
[07:31] <CountDown> bob2: Thanks... exactly what I was looking for.  Cheers.
[07:31] <ashwani> dr_willis, ok
[07:31] <nomad1> coz its called C:\
[07:31] <cyphase> ashwani, basically any ideas people might have
[07:31] <nomad1> the back slash i think takes me to a new line
[07:31] <dr_willis> thers a \ in the file name. :P lol
[07:31] <ashwani> dr_willis, well thanks very much everyone
[07:32] <nomad1> lol
[07:32] <ashwani> well thanks very much everyone, i got good help here
[07:32] <nomad1> how can it be read as a string rather than command
[07:32] <bob2> CountDown: dlocate is anoter package that works more quickly by indexing the db daily
[07:32] <ashwani> I got to do some work so will have to leave now
[07:32] <ashwani> thanks
[07:32] <FR500> dr_willis: where can i ask for a feature to be added, for instance to the shared folders dialog? (i wan't it to be able to control the public parameter)
[07:32] <dr_willis> FR500,  no clue. :P if its a gnome feature - ya may want to check the #GNOME guys,.
[07:33] <dr_willis> FR500,  i manually edit my samba share configs. :P lol
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: come on not all users are ready to learn
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: not many end users can user gedit_p
[07:33] <FR500> :p
[07:33] <dr_willis> FR500,  too bad for them.. :P what makes ya think i care about them.
[07:33] <CountDown> In other news, I'm trying to make a Python wrapper for libusb based on the BitPim codebase.  Anyone interested in helping in this endeavor.  Right now I'm stuck with the SWIG build script.  No one over at #python seems to be biting.
[07:33] <FR500> dr_willis: but it would help linux advance even further
[07:34] <bob2> swig is pretty unpleasent
[07:34] <bob2> and not very pythonic
[07:34] <mwright1night> Hello
[07:34] <faddat> volvoguy: checkinstall is brilliant!
[07:34] <dr_willis> im constantly having to explain bear bones FUNDAMENTAL stuff to people at work..  that think renaming a .jpg to .bmp actually does somthing because thei icon changes....
[07:34] <faddat> volvoguy: now I can take out all that stuff as though it came in a package
[07:34] <mwright1> Quick question about users properties within users and groups
[07:34] <volvoguy> faddat, i thought you'd like it. :)
[07:34] <mwright1> then in the advanced section you've got "User privileges"
[07:34] <FR500> lol
[07:34] <mwright1> how do I add to the user priviliges list?
[07:35] <volvoguy> faddat, you can even see those packages in synaptic.
[07:35] <mwright1> Ie the user privliges list relates to a particular user group
[07:35] <cafuego_> mwright1: Set up groups with specific rights
[07:35] <mwright1> I know how to setup groups, but how do i put the descriptions under User privliges
[07:35] <mwright1> i want to add descriptions that you can check with teh mouse and make them ticked
[07:35] <mwright1> and have them link to a group in /etc/group
[07:35] <dr_willis> FR500,  to be honest.. i used the gnome thinggies to set up the users home as a share on 2 machines so i could copuy stuff back and forth and it worked fine for me.
[07:35] <volvoguy> faddat, how'd the install go by the way? i haven't gotten that far yet.
[07:35] <dr_willis> FR500,  im guessing they defaulted to private
[07:36] <cafuego_> mwright1: probably in the data file for the users/groups applet.
[07:36] <FR500> dr_willis: yes, but that little checkbox could do a lot
[07:36] <mwright1> cafuuego_ where is this data file stored
[07:36] <cubeness> hmm.. just updated to breezy to test it..
[07:36] <shekhar> help i have screwed up my sources.list and didn't backup the old one
[07:36] <mwright1> or which dpkg should I query to try and find the file
[07:36] <cafuego_> mwright1: good question ;-)
[07:37] <cubeness> nomatter what i do, i get out of scan range on my monitor when xorg starts
[07:37] <cubeness> whats the deal?
[07:37] <cubeness> using nv driver
[07:37] <dr_willis> FR500,  iswent what you are refering to the "allow browsing" check box... NOW ya see why i HATE dumbing down things for 'less then educated people' by dumbing this down . they make it harder to realize whats going on
[07:37] <dr_willis> :P
[07:38] <cafuego_> gnome-system-tools: /usr/bin/users-admin
[07:38] <FR500> dr_willis: nom browseable parameter and public are different
[07:39] <mwright1> cafuego_ thats where we were
[07:39] <dr_willis> FR500,  if you say so, :O Ive never done much more then share the HOMES dir.
[07:39] <dr_willis> i notice the help file for that interface/tool is missing on my system :P
[07:39] <faddat> volvoguy: are you getting the PMs that I've been sending you, or did I mess up using the PM system?
[07:40] <volvoguy> faddat, nope. not getting them.
[07:40] <FR500> dr_willis: i havent accessed the help files too much
[07:40] <dr_willis> all that  thing did was add about 5 new lines to the end of the samba.conf and restarted samba
[07:40] <dr_willis> :P
[07:40] <FR500> dr_willis: well i'm accessing my shares over a pptp tunnel so this little things make a difference for me
[07:40] <nomad1> !tell me mp3
[07:40] <dr_willis> FR500,  yea.. ive noticed a lot of little details in gnome are well lacking in ways..
[07:40] <bob2> nomad1: /msg ubotu restricted
[07:40] <dr_willis> but all i need to do is share my porn with the other pc's
[07:41] <nomad1> thx
[07:41] <FR500> lol
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: basically
[07:41] <FR500> dr_willis: but you don't want ur little bro to access your porn
[07:41] <FR500> !!!
[07:41] <ubotu> ! is probably what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[07:41] <nomad1> how do u tell apt to dl and install an app
[07:41] <nomad1> i used to use yum
[07:41] <dr_willis> FR500,  My little bro is 26 :P
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: I got "checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.7 or newer is required to compile clearlooks-cairo
[07:41] <faddat> "
[07:41] <FR500> nomad1: apt-get install app
[07:41] <faddat> volvoguy: and a wicked case of insomnia
[07:42] <volvoguy> faddat, you're using breezy, right?
[07:42] <FR500> dr_willis: lucky you
[07:42] <faddat> yeah
[07:42] <nomad1> so i justthx
[07:42] <nalioth> nomad1: it works the same way (yum is son of apt-get_
[07:42] <nomad1> thx lol
[07:43] <faddat> volvoguy: yeah
[07:43] <volvoguy> faddat, hmm... i have e17 compiling right now. if you'll be around tomorrow or later this week, i'll let you know how far i got.
[07:43] <nomad1> !tell me root
[07:43] <jmark> is there a way to see what exactly apt-get install ubuntu-desktop will install?
[07:43] <nomad1> wats the topic for setting and removing root account
[07:43] <nomad1> i want to demolish that account
[07:43] <faddat> yeah, I should be around
[07:43] <shekhar> can someone help me with a fresh sources.list -- i have screwed mine up without backing up
[07:43] <faddat> volvoguy: thanks man, I'll let you know if I can trick it into working...
[07:43] <Madpilot> jmark: mark in for un-installation in Synaptic, and it'll tell you want else it'll remove - nothing else, if I remember right...
[07:43] <volvoguy> faddat, ok. good luck. and from one insomniac to another - go rest your brain. :o)
[07:44] <jmark> Madpilot: k, will check that
[07:45] <cafuego_> mwright1: share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/users-conf
[07:45] <cafuego_> mwright1: /usr/share/setup-tool-backends/scripts/users-conf
[07:45] <faddat> volvoguy: wish I could.... I've still got that "quite awake and alert" feeling that = your mind telling you "YOU SHALL NOT SLEEP, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE CLASS IN SEVEN HOURS!"
[07:46] <shekhar> can someone help me?
[07:46] <carthik> shekhar, ask
[07:46] <shekhar> carthik, i have screwed up my sources.list and forgot to backup the original
[07:46] <nalioth> shekhar: if you ask a question
[07:46] <cafuego_> shekhar: Just run 'apt-setup' to create a new one.
[07:47] <carthik> shekhar, i see...
[07:47] <nalioth> !tell shekhar about sources
[07:47] <volvoguy> faddat, i feel your pain. red wine works best for me. :)
[07:47] <nalioth> shekhar: you can put this one in its place
[07:47] <nalioth> shekhar: read what ubotu sent you
[07:47] <faddat> volvoguy: hashish.....
[07:47] <nalioth> cafuego_: apt-setup?
[07:47] <carthik> shekhar: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/339
[07:47] <cafuego_> nalioth: yah. Does Ubuntu not have it?
[07:48] <AngryParsley> oh hells yeah
[07:48] <AngryParsley> java works like a charm
[07:48] <shekhar> ubotu nalioth carthik thanks!
[07:48] <ubotu> shekhar: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:48] <carthik> ubotu shut up
[07:48] <ubotu> carthik: What?
[07:48] <tristanmike> now, now, let's not be mean to the bot
[07:48] <volvoguy> faddat, i'm fresh out. bad back and on enough drugs as it is anyway. :)
[07:48] <dr_willis> ubotu take over the world!
[07:48] <shekhar> ubotu, no, just got hit by having to reinstall ubuntu from scratch :)
[07:48] <ubotu> dr_willis: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[07:48] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, shekhar
[07:48] <nalioth> cafuego_: not sure, i was just wonderin how it genned a sources.list out of its ****
[07:48] <carthik> shekhar ubotu is a bot
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth; it contains a list of mirrors and repo names.
[07:49] <Madpilot> !tell shekhar about ubotu
[07:49] <tristanmike> shekhar, meaning, it has programed response
[07:49] <nalioth> cafuego_: the "apt-setup" program?
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth: yes.
[07:49] <tristanmike> it's got a man page
[07:49] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's a curses based tool to select mirrors and repos.
[07:50] <mwright1> cafuego_: thanks that did the trick
[07:50] <mwright1> how did you find it
[07:50] <cafuego_> mwright1: rgrep :-)
[07:51] <nalioth> cafuego_: imagine that. i've been recommending the wget way to replace hosed sources.lists
[07:51] <shekhar> ah ubotu is a bot
[07:51] <cafuego_> AngryParsley: Are you related to MadCelery?
[07:51] <nalioth> cafuego_: i dont show apt-setup in the cache search
[07:51] <AngryParsley> cafuego: what? n
[07:51] <AngryParsley> o
[07:51] <cafuego_> nalioth: Well, when i just tried it, I did get an error about a missing cd, so perhaps the Ubuntu (breezy anyway) one isn't working as it should.
[07:52] <AngryParsley> oh, I thought someone else here had an angry vegetable name
[07:52] <cafuego_> !find apt-setup
[07:52] <AngryParsley> I just got this name from a random nick generator, but most people seem to like it
[07:52] <cafuego_> AngryParsley: nah, just dizzy fruit.
[07:52] <jmark> ok, I understand what a hedgehog is, but what makes it "hoary"?
[07:52] <AngryParsley> heh
[07:52] <yhann> Hi guys, how can I test my modem?
[07:52] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's in base-config
[07:52] <bob2> jmark: en.wikitionary.org/wiki/Hoary
[07:52] <carthik> jmark, whats in a name?
[07:52] <nalioth> cafuego_: breezy or hoary?
[07:53] <mwright1> is that an ubuntu tool or a parent debian tool?
[07:53] <tristanmike> cafuego, no such file or directory
[07:53] <jmark> HA! there is a wiki about hoary
[07:53] <bob2> er, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hoary
[07:53] <omnibong> greetings
[07:53] <Madpilot> !+hoary
[07:53] <ubotu> hmm... hoary is a word that means grey or ancient.  Shakespeare made a joke about it in his play Romeo and Juliet
[07:53] <cafuego_> nalioth: hoary
[07:53] <cafuego_> nalioth: /usr/sbin/apt-setup
[07:53] <omnibong> can anybody assist me with a livecd question?
[07:54] <jmark> ah, I feel uneducated
[07:54] <mwright1> does the first user of the system have admin rights when you first install breezy breeze?
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, I don't have it, and I'm running Hoary
[07:54] <mwright1> I'm trying to think this through from a non technical user perspective
[07:54] <nalioth> omnibong: if you ask one
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, wait, I take that back
[07:54] <bob2> mwright1: indeed
[07:54] <cafuego_> mwright1: yes, due to it being in the 'admin' group, and this having permissions in sudo.
[07:54] <tristanmike> cafuego, sorry, I do have it after all
[07:54] <mwright1> do you have to use sudo though?
[07:54] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Not in tehd efault path eh
[07:54] <bob2> mwright1: no, but it's far simpler
[07:55] <bob2> mwright1: why wouldn't you want to?
[07:55] <cafuego_> mwright1: You could set a root password, but 'sudo -s' is just as easy.
[07:55] <tristanmike> cafuego, nah, there, I just had them sorted differently
[07:55] <mwright1> mp O dpm
[07:55] <mwright1> t
[07:55] <mwright1> no I don't want to
[07:55] <tristanmike> cafuego, but !find apt-setup doesn't work for me
[07:55] <mwright1> we just fooled around with the system and forgot to check
[07:55] <mwright1> We're @ HP and we're going to be supporting Ubuntu so we want to get familiar
[07:56] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Are you identified with nickserv?
[07:56] <chromate> ok so i installed a package, played with one of the configuration scripts, and deleted it, assumnig that if i reinstalled the package it would come back, but it didnt. is there any way to do a *thorough* removal and reinstall of a package with apt?
[07:56] <tristanmike> cafuego, I believe so
[07:56] <cafuego_> mwright1: Just don't make the mistake of testing it on an nx9005 laptop.
[07:56] <bob2> chromate: no, do not delete files that come with packages, ever
[07:56] <omnibong> nalioth: what does it mean when livecd doesnot load a complete desktop?  the only thing I get is a pointer on the screen
[07:56] <cafuego_> tristanmike: odd, ubotu msg'd me the results.
[07:56] <Madpilot> mwright1: if you're at HP, shouldn't you get familiar with the Ubuntu-recommended method of admining, namely sudo?
[07:56] <cafuego_> !find sbin/apt-setup
[07:56] <bob2> chromate: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends whatever ; sudo apt-get install whatever
[07:56] <chromate> bob2: now that its too late how do i repair =)
[07:56] <chromate> bob2: thanks
[07:56] <tristanmike> yup, already identified
[07:56] <cafuego_> !test
[07:56] <ubotu> Passed.
[07:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'sbin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config.
[07:57] <cafuego_> slow-ass bot
[07:57] <tristanmike> cafuego, ha, but no, "event not found"
[07:57] <nalioth> cafuego_: time for you to buy him a quad-opteron motorcycle, then
[07:57] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Aiyee.
[07:57] <tristanmike> weird
[07:57] <cafuego_> nalioth: I could plonk him on my desltop box I suppose.
[07:58] <cafuego_> But I can't allow him to search the lowly x86 repos when he runs on x86_64 himself.
[07:58] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Can you try again?
[07:58] <tristanmike> try which?
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: !find apt-setup
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: Oh, hold on, you typed it in bash. Ha, no.
[07:59] <tristanmike> cafuego, sure, I'm in root too
[07:59] <cafuego_> tristanmike: '!find' is a command on irc, for ubotu. he has searchable package lists.
[08:00] <tristanmike> cafuego, oh, I thought you were talking about something else
[08:00] <omnibong> is there any documentation that I can read that can explain if livecd doesn't work properly?
[08:00] <cafuego_> tristanmike: if you type that in the shell, bash will tried to run the last command that staretd with whatever follows the exclamation mark.
[08:00] <cafuego_> ie: ls /bin;  !l;
[08:00] <tristanmike> cafuego, I got lost there
[08:01] <tristanmike> cafuego, that hints very much at bed time very shortly
[08:01] <cafuego_> tristanmike: ! on the shell prompt is a way to run commands from the bash command history without retyping the whole thing.
[08:01] <cafuego_> tristanmike: ... and without having to hit allow-up a million times.
[08:01] <cafuego_> arrow-up even
[08:02] <tristanmike> lol
[08:02] <cafuego_> tristanmike: You can type !<string> and it will execute the last command in your command history that started with <string>
[08:03] <omnibong> what does it mean when livecd doesn't load a complete desktop?  the only thing I get is a pointer on the screen
[08:03] <mwright1> cafuego_: what was your egrep syntax?
[08:03] <mwright1> I don't know how to use it and wan to learn
[08:03] <cafuego_> mwright1: rgrep 'Connect to Internet' /usr/share
[08:03] <Madpilot> hmmm... K3B rocks... all GnomeBaker was producing was audio CD coasters, K3B actually works... too bad it looks funny on a Gnome desktop...
[08:03] <mwright1> easy
[08:03] <mwright1> i meant rgrep, sorry getting tired
[08:04] <jtan325> amarok is the shiznit
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> why must we fight
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> KDE vs Gnome
[08:04] <cafuego_> GhostFreeman: KDE must just die, not fight.
[08:04] <Padden> hi folks, hows it going?
[08:04] <tristanmike> thanx cafuego :)
[08:04] <GhostFreeman> lol
[08:05] <omnibong> does it mean that there is some incompatible hardware in my system if the livecd does not completely boot into the desktop?
[08:05] <Madpilot> GhostFreeman: because KDE looks too much like WinXP ;) ... but I'll happily steal it's better apps!
[08:05] <cafuego_> omnibong: Is the cd still spinning?
[08:05] <GhostFreeman> I don't care, I use Xfce, lol
[08:05] <cafuego_> Madpilot: Does that mean you'll stop using fvwm2 when Vista is released? ;-)
[08:06] <jtan325> i use fvwm
[08:06] <jtan325> fvwm is the shiznit
[08:06] <omnibong> cafuego_: no it isn't still spinning.  I used the amd64 version and the x86 version with the same results
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> no but he'll give up fvwm for TCG
[08:06] <cafuego_> omnibong: Anything logged on consoles 2 or 3?
[08:06] <Madpilot> cafuego: I've got no idea what fvwm2 even is...
[08:06] <GhostFreeman> Grammatical errors: TCG will give up YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:06] <mwright1> going home now
[08:07] <mwright1> btw: we are testing on an IBM notebook hehe
[08:07] <mwright1> cafuego_: thanks for your help
[08:07] <omnibong> cafuego_: the only thing I see is the pointer on the screen and I can't click any buttons to bring up a menu
[08:07] <locomorto> Madpilot: fvm2 is a window manager
[08:07] <cafuego_> mwright1: no prob, send me free stuff
[08:07] <mwright1> we have to look after Debian, REdhat, Suse and now Ubuntu
[08:07] <cafuego_> omnibong: ctrl-alt-F2
[08:07] <locomorto> Madpilot: fvwm2 *
[08:07] <mwright1> don't have any this place is tight
[08:07] <_rb_> heyas all. tried searching on google, where would i find out the name of an animation i had once in the past and want again
[08:08] <cafuego_> omnibong: that will give you a console. F3 is the next one.. they may contain logs
[08:08] <_rb_> someone here might have seen it
[08:08] <cafuego_> _rb_: Oh yeah, i saw it too.
[08:08] <_rb_> lol
[08:08] <_rb_> yeah yeah, wait up
[08:08] <omnibong> cafuego_: I haven't tried that yet.  I'll try it now
[08:09] <_rb_> the animation is a 3d thing with a little pigme and a coyote or fox who are constantly at each others throats.
[08:09] <omnibong> cafuego_: I'll try it now, brb
[08:09] <cafuego_> omnibong: Is it the breezy livecd or hoary, btw?
[08:09] <cafuego_> _rb_: mpeg/avi or flash?
[08:10] <_rb_> it was compressed with divx, but the mpeg would be better.
[08:10] <_rb_> done by 3 french guys i think
[08:10] <louisjohn> y0 i got a 20/20 on my hard drove
[08:10] <louisjohn> halfs xp pro and the other is ubuntu
[08:11] <omnibong> cafuego_: It's version 5.04
[08:11] <louisjohn> how do I erase the xp pro
[08:11] <louisjohn> just format the disk or what
[08:11] <louisjohn> im me
[08:11] <louisjohn> brb
[08:11] <snausages> hahah
[08:11] <omnibong> cafuego_:don't know if it's hoary or breezy
[08:11] <cafuego_> omnibong: *nod* Maybe try 5.10, see if you have more luck witht hat one.
[08:11] <cafuego_> omnibong: 5.04 is Hoary
[08:12] <omnibong> cafuego_:ok, didn't know there was 5.10
[08:12] <cafuego_> _rb_: I'm afraid google is only giving me pygmy sex links
[08:12] <tristanmike> good night all, interview tomorrow
[08:12] <louisjohn> hey come on
[08:12] <louisjohn> someone tell me
[08:12] <cafuego_> omnibong: it's not officially released yet (October 13)
[08:12] <louisjohn> how do I earse the other 20 gigs on the xp side
[08:12] <snausages> louisjohn i think you'd have to format
[08:13] <cafuego_> omnibong: But if 5.04 ain't working, it might be worth a try.
[08:13] <snausages> but you'd lose everything
[08:13] <snausages> then you could do a clean-install of ubuntu
[08:13] <_rb_> any ideas onb it ? anyone seen anything fitting that description ?
[08:13] <cafuego_> louisjohn: You might be able to delete the XP partition, then resize the Linux one with parted.
[08:13] <louisjohn> nice
[08:13] <louisjohn> sounds good but I dont understand it
[08:13] <cafuego_> Note: BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST
[08:14] <louisjohn> linux is all about commands
[08:14] <louisjohn> i havent gotten it down yet how to install programs
[08:14] <louisjohn> I just learned about the su
[08:14] <louisjohn> and all that
[08:14] <LasseL> louisjohn, synaptic is your friend here
[08:14] <louisjohn> I got my printer hooked up
[08:14] <louisjohn> I love ubuntu but want to learn it
[08:14] <cafuego_> louisjohn: You can run 'synaptic' from the System -> Administration menu and install applications.
[08:15] <louisjohn> I dont see the install applications
[08:15] <louisjohn> I see the synaptic manager
[08:15] <cafuego_> "Syanptic Package Manager"
[08:15] <cafuego_> That's the one, run it.
[08:16] <cafuego_> right click any package you want, then click 'Apply'.
[08:16] <louisjohn> i see the package manager
[08:16] <louisjohn> where can i get support for this
[08:16] <cafuego_> right here.
[08:16] <LasseL> louisjohn, you might want to check with google or here on which package you need for a specific program
[08:16] <louisjohn> how am I gonna learn this comeing off of xp pro
[08:16] <carthik> louisjohn, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[08:17] <soLeMn> hehe
[08:17] <nalioth> !tell louisjohn about synaptic
[08:17] <carthik> and other such docs will help
[08:17] <cafuego_> If you ask a coherent, concise question, you'll get a coherent answer.
[08:17] <LasseL> It would be really nice if synaptic had pictures
[08:17] <carthik> LasseL, pictures of?
[08:17] <cafuego_> LasseL: Did you file a wishlist bug on that/ ;-)
[08:17] <louisjohn> i need interaction learning
[08:17] <LasseL> like if the desc linked to some website with a desc on the program and screenshots
[08:17] <louisjohn> I cant read something and do it
[08:17] <louisjohn> i need help
[08:17] <elmer> knuybhytby
[08:18] <elmer> hgvgujjohvgtu;[lpjhggfcdjilp;[
[08:18] <cafuego_> louisjohn: Well, you can get paid support from Canonical, Inc.
[08:18] <carthik> louisjohn, heh :) interact with the guides, step through them, do the things they mention....
[08:18] <cafuego_> They'll be glad to step you though anything.
[08:18] <carthik> louisjohn, or solve one little problem at a time as and when they occur
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <cafuego_> !ops
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <ubotu> I heard ops is Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, and Nalioth
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:18] <cafuego_> elmer: Go away.
[08:18] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> hayop
[08:19] <elmer> i kickur ass cafuego
[08:19] <elmer> i kick ur ass cafuego
[08:19] <elmer> i kick ur ass cafuego
[08:19] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> hehehe
[08:19] <cafuego_> fabbione: cheers
[08:19] <louisjohn> paid support
[08:19] <louisjohn> fuck u
[08:19] <NAJJAR> hai
[08:20] <volvoguy> language please.
[08:20] <NAJJAR> salam kenal u/ semua
[08:21] <carthik> najjar, this is primarily an english language support channel
[08:21] <deFrysk> !indonesia
[08:21] <ubotu> deFrysk: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[08:21] <deFrysk> ok ;p
[08:21] <Vespoli> lol
[08:21] <cafuego_> Hahaha :-)
[08:22] <volvoguy> nalioth, thx. :)
[08:22] <omnibong> cafuego_: I just used ctrl-alt-f2
[08:22] <cafuego_> omnibong: ANything there in the way of useful logs?
[08:22] <NAJJAR> i can't language english well
[08:22] <omnibong> cafuego_: not really, I'm not sure what to look at
[08:23] <cafuego_> omnibong: Anything that might mention "error".
[08:23] <volvoguy> nalioth, for louisjohn.
[08:23] <omnibong> cafuego_: I check /var/log/messages
[08:23] <omnibong> cafuego_: I also check .xsession-errors
[08:24] <cafuego_> Is there anything in .xsession-errors?
[08:24] <Vespoli> !tell Vespoli about sudo
[08:24] <volvoguy> i should be an op. i love busting troublemakers. hehe.
[08:24] <omnibong> cafuego_: .xsession-errors has the following info....
[08:24] <cafuego_> omnibong: if it's a lot, please use the pastebot.
[08:24] <Vespoli> wtf? why is it whenever I sudo I can never get the command to execture
[08:24] <Vespoli> *execute,
[08:24] <locomorto> Vespoli: exactly what happens
[08:24] <Vespoli> ?
[08:24] <Vespoli> question ?
[08:24] <cafuego_> Vespoli: What error do you get?
[08:24] <locomorto> Vespoli: and what command are you trying to execute
[08:25] <omnibong> cafuego_: (gnome-cups-icon:26016): waring **:failed request with status 1030
[08:25] <Vespoli> Password:
[08:25] <Vespoli> adam@tux:~$
[08:25] <cafuego_> omnibong: *nod* that one's not a problem
[08:25] <Vespoli> Password:
[08:25] <Vespoli> adam@tux:~$
[08:25] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Which command are you trying to run?
[08:25] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> #^%$*(_&&)^^%(+)_@##!!!
[08:25] <nalioth> soLeMn_mAyHEm: in #ubuntu-offtopic with that, please
[08:25] <Vespoli> look at my pm cafuego
[08:26] <kevin06> How do I get the control menu back after I closed it?
[08:26] <soLeMn_mAyHEm> FUNK U
[08:26] <kevin06> Oops,...
[08:26] <kevin06> In XINE
[08:26] <Vespoli> or even when I try to update packages, type in my password, and *NOTHING* happens
[08:26] <DansFloyd> hey, i have files in the trash... but it wont let me delete them... what command do i use to kill them all?
[08:26] <cafuego_> is it just past full moon or soemthing? the morons seem thicker on the ground than usual
[08:26] <Vespoli> no error, just plain old nothing
[08:26] <Vespoli> and this is a _fresh_ 5.10 install
[08:26] <Vespoli> :-/
[08:26] <nalioth> DansFloyd: how did they get in the trash?
[08:27] <cafuego_> Vespoli: I didn't get your pm.
[08:27] <Vespoli> k
[08:27] <DansFloyd> well their folders with files
[08:27] <DansFloyd> :)
[08:27] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: right click on the trash icon
[08:27] <Vespoli> cafuego, its like I sudo blah blah blah and then press enter and nothing happens
[08:27] <DansFloyd> ...
[08:27] <Vespoli> just as if I typed nothing and pressed enter
[08:27] <cafuego_> Vespoli: is your sudo install setuid-root ?
[08:27] <omnibong> cafuego_: /var/logs/messages is report localhost kernel segfault errors
[08:27] <DaOne> hey can someone help me set up gimp?
[08:27] <DansFloyd> it says access denied... i have like 90 files in there...
[08:27] <cafuego_> omnibong: Yeah, that would be BAD.
[08:28] <Vespoli> cafuego, dunno ...
[08:28] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: Are they owned by root perhaps?
[08:28] <omnibong> cafuego_: what does that mean?
[08:28] <DansFloyd> i just nee to know the command to delete all files
[08:28] <cafuego_> Vespoli: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo
[08:28] <DansFloyd> in ternminal or konsol
[08:28] <Vespoli> k brb
[08:28] <cafuego_> omnibong: Basicallt the equivalent of a blue screen of death
[08:28] <Vespoli> -rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 93076 2005-07-07 05:44 /usr/bin/sudo
[08:28] <DaOne> plz can someone help me set up gimp??
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: they're in ~/.Trash
[08:29] <omnibong> cafuego_: I only see 2 errors in /var/log/messages
[08:29] <nalioth> DaOne: how would you like to be helped?
[08:29] <DansFloyd> yeah, but what command do i use... rm *.*?
[08:29] <Madpilot> DaOne: Gimp should be installed by default for you
[08:29] <cafuego_> omnibong: How new is your machine, hardware wise?
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: NO!
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: rm *
[08:29] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: no dots.
[08:29] <DansFloyd> lol\
[08:29] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:30] <kevin06> That would be bad...
[08:30] <omnibong> cafuego_: I just installed a new abit av8 motherboard
[08:30] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: using *.* may include '..', which would be your homedir.
[08:30] <Vespoli> heh cafuego_ maybe this can help
[08:30] <DaOne> nalioth: well currently gimp boots into my ubuntu installation & i would like 2 set it up to boot into my m$ installation by default
[08:30] <Vespoli> Sorry, user adam may not run sudo on localhost.
[08:30] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Ha, yes.
[08:30] <Vespoli> :D
[08:30] <cafuego_> Vespoli: Do you have another user account?
[08:30] <Vespoli> ok so how can I fix that >:o
[08:30] <Vespoli> no I don't
[08:30] <DansFloyd> so just do rm *
[08:30] <DansFloyd> and that should wok
[08:30] <DansFloyd> work*
[08:31] <Myrtti> DansFloyd: errmmmmmm
[08:31] <Myrtti> say that again
[08:31] <Myrtti> you want it to do WHAT?
[08:31] <cafuego_> Vespoli: You need to get user 'adam' to be in the 'admin' group. Without a working sudo account, you'll need to reboot, choose 'Recovery' from the boot menu, then run 'adduser adam admin' and type 'exit'.
[08:31] <Myrtti> sorry, not you, DansFloyd
[08:31] <omnibong> cafuego_: you think that might be the problem?
[08:31] <Myrtti> DaOne
[08:31] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: yes. if not, run 'sudo rm *'
[08:31] <Vespoli> oooooh yes ty :D
[08:31] <DansFloyd> k
[08:31] <kevin06> ANybody know how I can get that xine menu back?
[08:32] <cafuego_> omnibong: I wonder if it might be too new for that kernel version. Give 5.10 a try.
[08:32] <locomorto> kevin06: I prefer to use totem-xine
[08:32] <Vespoli> woooah
[08:32] <locomorto> kevin06: You get the xine backend in totem
[08:32] <omnibong> cafuego_: ok, thanks
[08:32] <DaOne> yes, myrtti?
[08:32] <Myrtti> you want your Gimp to do what?
[08:32] <cafuego_> omnibong: it's nearly stable and runs OK on my amd64.
[08:32] <Madpilot> DaOne: you'll have to install the GIMP seperately in Windows - there is a Windows version
[08:32] <omnibong> cool
[08:32] <cafuego_> Though mine is well over a year old.
[08:33] <Vespoli> cafuego, how can I change myself to admin group w/o removing account ?
[08:33] <omnibong> cafuego_: did version 5.04 have issues with amd64?
[08:33] <cafuego_> Vespoli: By booting into recovery mode, then running that adduser command.
[08:33] <Vespoli> ah k
[08:33] <DaOne> madpilot: so there isnt a way to simply change the current settings?
[08:33] <cafuego_> omnibong: Not here, but then again, my hardware is probably 18 months other then yours.
[08:33] <omnibong> cafuego_: what motherboard do you have?
[08:33] <Vespoli> brb
[08:34] <cafuego_> omnibong: Gigabyte K8NS Pro (nForce3)
[08:34] <omnibong> cafuego_: hmmm...that's the nvidia chipset right?
[08:34] <Madpilot> DaOne: the Ubuntu version won't run on Windows, you'll have to do a seperate Windows install
[08:34] <cafuego_> omnibong: yep
[08:34] <DansFloyd> ok it deleted some of my files... but it wont delete some other files casue it says 'rm : cannot remove: is a directory'
[08:35] <Madpilot> DansFloyd: see "man rm" for info on removing directories
[08:35] <omnibong> cafuego_: my abit board has the via k8t800 pro chipset.  I wonder if that is the problem
[08:35] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: for each of those directories, run 'rm -rf <directoryname>'
[08:35] <cafuego_> omnibong: it shouldn't, that's old enough to be tried & tested.
[08:35] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:36] <userver> Hello to all!
[08:36] <locomorto> hey userver
[08:36] <DaOne> madpilot: yes.  i have 2 installations.  one is windows, the other is ubuntu.  gimp boots into ubuntu by default and has the option to boot into windows.  i just want to change windows to the default.
[08:36] <cafuego_> DaOne: gimp boots? Did you mean Grub?
[08:36] <DansFloyd> could i do 'rm -rf *'
[08:36] <locomorto> DaOne: gimp?
[08:36] <DansFloyd> ??
[08:36] <locomorto> DaOne: you mean grub?
[08:36] <userver> Hey locormoto.. jeje..
[08:36] <Madpilot> DaOne: you're talking about grub, not the gimp!
[08:36] <userver> This is my firts time here and my english is not very good
[08:36] <cafuego_> DaOne: Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the number behind 'default' to the windows entry. note that entry #1 is 0.
[08:37] <DaOne> locomorto: yeah sry grub
[08:37] <locomorto> DansFloyd that would delete everything down from where you are
[08:37] <cafuego_> DansFloyd: yep
[08:37] <cafuego_> locomorto: he isn ~/.Trash (or should be)
[08:37] <DansFloyd> so is that a yes...?
[08:37] <cafuego_> DaOne: Alternatively, move the menu entry for windows to the top.
[08:37] <locomorto> yes
[08:37] <locomorto> As long as you in ~/.Trash
[08:38] <DansFloyd> ok
[08:38] <locomorto> Personally i just use the trash applet
[08:38] <DansFloyd> yeah :)
[08:38] <locomorto> right click empty trash
[08:38] <cafuego_> locomorto: that did apparently not work
[08:38] <DaOne> thanks cafuego_ & sry about the confusion madpilot
[08:38] <DansFloyd> i did that... it dosnt work
[08:38] <DansFloyd> :\
[08:38] <locomorto> odd
[08:38] <locomorto> Maybe you moved root stuff there
[08:39] <alexandros> chack who owns the files
[08:39] <DansFloyd> YAY it worked
[08:39] <locomorto> So did the rm -rF command work?
[08:39] <DansFloyd> thx!
[08:39] <locomorto> lol
[08:39] <locomorto> We typed at the same time
[08:39] <louisjohn> I need a mentor friend who would like to enjoy asisting someone who wants to learn linux and become a amazing producer to the welfare of linux
[08:39] <locomorto> Quick question, how do i get two commands to execute simultaniesoly?
[08:40] <louisjohn> I am useing ubuntu and am studing the wiki page
[08:40] <cafuego_> locomorto: 'foo & bar'
[08:40] <louisjohn> I would like someone to stand up to this minor task
[08:40] <louisjohn> someone with yahoo-msn or aol messenger to corespond witha newbe
[08:40] <Myrtti> why on yahoo or aol?
[08:40] <locomorto> cafuego_: thx
[08:40] <DaOne> cafuego_: i cant edit it.  :(  it says that i'm not the owner
[08:40] <Myrtti> why not IRC?
[08:40] <nalioth> louisjohn: just ask a question
[08:41] <locomorto> cafuego_: I got confused with &&
[08:41] <dhonn> what package do i install for a webcam?
[08:41] <louisjohn> ion what than
[08:41] <louisjohn> on what than
[08:41] <cafuego_> DaOne: Yes, you need to be root. use sudo.
[08:41] <louisjohn> irc chat
[08:41] <louisjohn> how bout u didnt catch what I said
[08:41] <cafuego_> dhonn: try camorama
[08:41] <DaOne> kk
[08:41] <louisjohn> read again
[08:41] <DaOne> cafuego_: thanks.
[08:41] <nalioth> louisjohn: this is a public ubuntu help channel
[08:42] <louisjohn> ok
[08:42] <limer> I installed ubuntu server to play with and would like it to look to a repository rather than the cdrom for all packages. what do I need to do?
[08:42] <Myrtti> hm, I don't have classes today but I think I'll go to school anyway, now that I've eaten my morning porridge
[08:42] <cafuego_> locomorto: Yeah, the single & backgrounds & continues.
[08:42] <nalioth> louisjohn: when we answer any question you may have, others may read and learn from the interaction
[08:42] <cafuego_> limer: Run apt-setup.
[08:42] <limer> ty
[08:42] <louisjohn> ok
[08:42] <nalioth> Myrtti: must be some porridge, to motiviate you like that
[08:42] <louisjohn> may
[08:42] <louisjohn> i just want to download music now
[08:42] <louisjohn> and some movies
[08:42] <cafuego_> limer: .. then pick some HTTP soruces. You may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and explicitly disable the CD sources.
[08:43] <Myrtti> nalioth: that or homework I haven't yet done
[08:43] <nalioth> louisjohn: your ubuntu system should contain all you need for those activities
[08:43] <NAJJAR> he you all what you can speak with lowo language
[08:43] <louisjohn> where are they
[08:43] <louisjohn> the bittorrent
[08:43] <Madpilot> locomorto: I use Muine now - which does do the systray thing - but I thought RythymBox did it too?
[08:43] <louisjohn> how do i work it
[08:43] <cafuego_> louisjohn: try google.
[08:43] <nalioth> louisjohn: look in Applications for internet applications
[08:44] <louisjohn> yea the gnome bittorrent
[08:44] <louisjohn> right
[08:44] <cafuego_> louisjohn: This is a support channel for specific problems, not a "hold my hand I can't click stuff by myself" channel.
[08:44] <locomorto> Madpilot: It has a tray thing, but you need to keep the main window open
[08:44] <louisjohn> hey cafuego
[08:44] <louisjohn> go fuck urself
[08:44] <louisjohn> asshole
[08:44] <louisjohn> talk to me like that again
[08:44] <Myrtti> what a lovely attitude
[08:45] <nalioth> definitely not a learning attitude
[08:46] <nalioth> locomorto: did you get your messages?
[08:46] <locomorto> which ones?
[08:46] <limer> cafuego, it wants me to define ftp (what I chose)  where might I find a list
[08:46] <nalioth> locomorto: about pinging whole channels
[08:46] <cafuego_> limer: It's not giving you a list of mirrors?
[08:47] <limer> cafuego, after I ran apt-setup, it prompted for cdrom
[08:47] <limer> which is what I was trying to avoid.  I cancelled and asked for location of packages
[08:47] <cafuego_> limer: *nod* Just exit apt-setup, we'll dio it the traditional way.
[08:47] <limer> I chose ftp
[08:47] <cafuego_> !repos
[08:47] <ubotu> I guess repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:47] <limer> cafuego, ok
[08:47] <qEx4z> hello
[08:47] <cafuego_> limer: Go to the pastebin ul ubotu just posted, replace your sources.list with its contents.
[08:48] <cafuego_> 'wget -c http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d969'
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <volvoguy> hey folks, if louisjohn comes back, give him to me and i'll see what i can do. you use "offer direct client to client chat" to talk to someone one on one right?
[08:48] <airros> tae
[08:48] <cafuego_> limer: That will give you a current set of online repositories.
[08:48] <nalioth> volvoguy: he's gone for a while
[08:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: you are free to chat him up, tho
[08:49] <cafuego_> he changed his nick
[08:49] <cafuego_> I tried to ask him what he was going to threaten me with, but he'd already gone.
[08:49] <Myrtti> volvoguy: I'd prefer if you'd use retractable rubber baton instead of an IM-client on him
[08:49] <limer> hmm, now how to copy paste via ssh (putty)
[08:49] <cafuego_> limer: seelct = copy, middle-click = paste
[08:50] <Myrtti> or right-ear-click
[08:50] <Myrtti> (I call mouse buttons "ears")
[08:50] <Myrtti> sorry bout that ;-)
[08:50] <volvoguy> nalioth, ok. is that how you start a private chat though? i'm in a particularly good mood tonight.
[08:50] <limer> cafuego, can't see text pasted
[08:50] <Myrtti> /query or /msg
[08:50] <pc2> hi to all
[08:50] <Myrtti> /query <nick> or /msg <nick>
[08:50] <pc22> pls help me with this: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba
[08:50] <cafuego_> limer: odd... ought to work.
[08:50] <nalioth> volvoguy: you can /msg or /query any nick you like
[08:50] <Madpilot> volvoguy: and you're going to waste your good mood on that clown? Why? Gunning for sainthood? ;)
[08:51] <pc22> what does it mean with control center here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba
[08:51] <cafuego_> volvoguy: NO! HELP ME FIX MY PROBLEMS INSTEAD! ME ME ME!
[08:51] <limer> it may have but I can't see the text.  let me try again
[08:51] <zxsykco> Ahoy!
[08:51] <cafuego_> sorry ;-)
[08:51] <volvoguy> it's like on the family guy when peter falls off the roof and spider man saves him and says "everybody gets one". :-)
[08:51] <pc22> what does it mean with control center here: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/pkglist.html#samba because i cant find control center in KMenu
[08:51] <limer> cafuego, there we go.  odd
[08:51] <poningru> wtf is going on?
[08:52] <cafuego_> pc22: Try #kubuntu, they all use kde (or should)
[08:52] <AnatomyAnomaly> mometary lapse of reason
[08:52] <pc22> sorry
[08:52] <cafuego_> no problem
[08:56] <qEx4z> just installed breezy and i have a strange problem... all the glx screensevers works very slowly.... any one know some thingy about it ?
[08:56] <limer> cafuego, how do you select copy paste cli only?
[08:58] <Myrtti> graphics card driver
[08:58] <cafuego_> limer: I normally use 'screen' to do that in the console.
[08:58] <qEx4z> Myrtti,  i have installed it  =]
[08:58] <Vespoli> I have LILO and want to install GRUB
[08:58] <Vespoli> how can I do this
[08:58] <cafuego_> limer: If not, install 'gpm'.
[08:59] <Vespoli> I don't even have grub.conf
[08:59] <limer> I installed screen just now :P
[08:59] <Vespoli> I apt-get install grub
[08:59] <cafuego_> limer: 'gpm' also does select, middle click
[08:59] <limer> don't know the capability you speak of
[08:59] <Vespoli> and got grub
[08:59] <Vespoli> just need to configure it
[08:59] <Vespoli> and I really just want to get into recovery mode
[08:59] <Vespoli> which lilo won't let me do :'(
[09:00] <cafuego_> limer: Ok. ctrl-a+ESC to go into command mode. Scroll to the start of the selection. hit space. scroll to the end of the selection, hit space. Selection done. hit ESC. Start editor. ctrl-a+]  to paste.
[09:00] <Vespoli> how can I configure grub?
[09:00] <emperon> how can i construct debian packages ?
[09:00] <limer> cafuego, ty.  I will test
[09:00] <cafuego_> Vespoli: hit tab at the lilo prompt, then run 'Linux single'.
[09:00] <Vespoli> it loads linux without user interaction
[09:00] <nalioth> emperon: for your machine or for distribution?
[09:01] <emperon> nalioth, if possible both
[09:01] <cafuego_> Vespoli: yes. Hold down a key when it boots
[09:01] <nalioth> emperon: for your own personal use, use "checkinstall" instead of "make install" when you compile
[09:01] <Vespoli> k
[09:01] <Vespoli> ty
[09:01] <locomorto> cafuego_: on my install it has to be esc
[09:01] <nalioth> emperon: for "Official" debian pkg manufacturing, see the debian.org website developers docs
[09:01] <limer> cafuego, crazy!  :D  thx
[09:01] <locomorto> but then again, im using breezy
[09:02] <emperon> nalioth, there's  no such thing like "checkinstall" in my comp
[09:02] <P-NuT> Hi all, when is the official release date for the new Breezy?
[09:02] <pc22> how do i enable samba?
[09:02] <trigger_ph> hello...can anyone point me to a UML authoring tool for linux?
[09:02] <nalioth> emperon: install it
[09:02] <Myrtti> 13th Oct
[09:02] <locomorto> trgger_ph: UML?
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: apt-get install samba
[09:03] <nalioth> emperon: ubotu loves you
[09:03] <volvoguy> emperon, i think it's in universe.
[09:03] <pc22> i have samba already
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:03] <Madpilot> trigger_ph: what's UML?
[09:03] <trigger_ph> locomorto: yes..like IBM's rational rose and the ones available in Visio by M$
[09:03] <emperon> thx
[09:03] <P-NuT> pc22: you'll also need to add a user, you can do that with smbuseradd i think
[09:03] <trigger_ph> UML: Unified Modeling Language
[09:04] <locomorto> trigger_ph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UML_tools
[09:04] <pc22> is there a graphic version?  im a beginner
[09:05] <locomorto> trigger_ph: Look at the the gnome and mono projects
[09:05] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, the only thing in the repos related to UML is a library. Library for UML 1.4 metamodel. It could be used for constructing applciations
[09:05] <volvoguy> based on UML 1.4.
[09:05] <trigger_ph> locomorto: thank you! should i steer clear of java-deployed tools?
[09:06] <locomorto> Well, if you have Java installed then there fine
[09:06] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: are these libraries sufficient for database design?
[09:06] <locomorto> But Java apps use lots of memory, so if you can find a equivalent C/C++ application go for that instead
[09:06] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, i don't have a clue. i just did a search in synaptic for ya. :)
[09:06] <aurax> ubuntuguide.org is dead?
[09:06] <trigger_ph> locomorto: i don't have it at the moment..
[09:07] <locomorto> aurax: there still is a google cache of it
[09:07] <Madpilot> aurax: use wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead
[09:07] <aurax> how can i create directory linked ?
[09:07] <nalioth> aurax: long live http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[09:07] <aurax> so its dead?
[09:07] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: ah :) thanks for the heads up tho..
[09:07] <volvoguy> aurax, there's a mirror - http://www.frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/5.04/
[09:07] <locomorto> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide&hl=en&client=firefox  :: for ubuntu guide
[09:07] <Myrtti> !ubuntuguide
[09:07] <locomorto> or use that
[09:07] <ubotu> I guess ubuntuguide is out of date, breaks PCs and doesn't explain anything. The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide will soon be the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[09:07] <cafuego_> frigging WEIRD
[09:07] <Myrtti> or read that
[09:07] <volvoguy> :o)
[09:07] <aurax> nah it is working
[09:08] <aurax> WORKED
[09:08] <trigger_ph> ubuntuguide's been down since yesterday i think
[09:08] <locomorto> aggh
[09:08] <nalioth> volvoguy: arrrrgh!
[09:08] <locomorto> it wont talk to me ;(
[09:08] <volvoguy> a lot of it is't version specific... it's just handy tips. *shrug*
[09:08] <aurax> so dudes how can i create symbolic links to a directory
[09:08] <aurax> i forgot
[09:09] <volvoguy> nalioth, are you trying to kill ubuntuguide?
[09:09] <cafuego_> locomorto: It will if you don't start the commands in PRIVMSG with '!'
[09:09] <apsync> how can I kill a process?
[09:09] <locomorto> yeah just figured that out
[09:09] <locomorto> apsync killall <proccess name>
[09:09] <trigger_ph> apsync: kill -9 <process_id>
[09:10] <trigger_ph> hehe
[09:10] <locomorto> apsync ps -A displays a list of proccess and there process id
[09:10] <apsync> thank you, and how can I list all processes?
[09:10] <apsync> ah great :)
[09:10] <BasK> Hi, does anybody know how to change the kernel on a (breezy) livecd?
[09:10] <locomorto> I prefer using killall
[09:10] <locomorto> Oh, and sometimes you need to be root to kill a proccess
[09:11] <trigger_ph> yes..killall does the job nicely though..just be careful that u'r not on one when you do a killall
[09:11] <apsync> can't find gedit in the list, what can the name else be ?
[09:11] <apsync> n/m 'killall gedit' worked
[09:11] <BasK> apsync, ps axf|grep gedit
[09:11] <apsync> thank you
[09:11] <apsync> :)
[09:12] <limer> good ol grep
[09:12] <locomorto> Oh that reminds me, one time i did
[09:12] <locomorto> sudo apt-cache search dia | grep dia
[09:12] <locomorto> lol
[09:12] <BasK> *grin*
[09:12] <limer> :P
[09:13] <limer> only ~ 3hours til I can buy beer and be drunk in the mornin
[09:13] <locomorto> eh?
[09:13] <BasK> limer, birthday?
[09:13] <cyphase> limer, Happy Birthday :0
[09:13] <cyphase> :)
[09:13] <locomorto> You can only buy bear at certain times?
[09:13] <locomorto> And if its your birthday, Happy Birthday!
[09:13] <limer> thx guys, but not til nov.  just want to be drunk is all :D
[09:13] <cyphase> lol
[09:13] <BasK> :D
[09:14] <BasK> but does anybody have any experience with modifying an ubuntu livecd?
[09:14] <limer> BasK, very limited.  using synaptic :P
[09:14] <BasK> I can change the packages/kernel, it just uses the wrong kernel when booting
[09:15] <trigger_ph> i can't believe open-source UML tools (or any CASE tools for that matter) are offering code-generation features as well!
[09:15] <BasK> it uses /install/vmlinuz, which is cool, since there is no /install on the cd
[09:16] <limer> BasK, not sure what you're trying to do, but maybe you can pass parameter upon boot like you can with knoppix
[09:16] <limer> but this may not be the 'customization' you're looking fo
[09:17] <BasK> limer, I'm trying to boot from a different kernel
[09:17] <BasK> I need a livecd with a customized kernel for a project
[09:17] <limer> but you want to be able to customize of the fly?
[09:17] <limer> rather than recompiling the iso?
[09:18] <licadho> yello, anybody got a minute to solve a LILO mysterie?
[09:18] <[Wiebel] _> ask
[09:18] <bob2> don't use lilo
[09:18] <licadho> first hrm, how to we re-install lilo in the mbr using the install cd of breezy?
[09:18] <bob2> mystery solved
[09:18] <BasK> limer, recompiling the iso is no problem
[09:18] <licadho> bob2, thats the default configuration with breezy
[09:19] <bob2> really?
[09:19] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, i take it that's a good thing?
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > nothing wrong with lilo
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > what's the mistory
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > mystery even
[09:19] <BasK> limer, I've changed the installed kernel, which is now in /boot and the symlinks are correct as well
[09:19] <licadho> my problem is quite simple: lilo doesnt offer a menu to select with OS to boot with, and mysteriously erases my windows xp os entry
[09:19] <BasK> recompiled the iso, booted, different kernel
[09:19] <[Wiebel] > paste your lilo.conf in a paste buffer
[09:20] <BasK> it somehow boots from a kernel I cant even find on the cd
[09:20] <licadho> wiebel, I'll like to do that, but then I first need to reinstall LILO to access breezy :)
[09:20] <limer> BasK, not sure man.
[09:20] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: personally, quite the opposite..it would seem that open-source is advocating laziness as well..
[09:20] <BasK> limer, thanks anyway
[09:20] <[Wiebel] > licadho: use a boot cd/flop
[09:21] <limer> BasK, maybe groups.google.com
[09:21] <BasK> limer, I'll check that out, thanks
[09:21] <licadho> wiebel, I got my breezy install cd but I forgot the what to input when you have the boot: prompt
[09:21] <limer> BasK, yw.  nice to have a usenet archive handy
[09:21] <volvoguy> trigger_ph, interesting. not that i know anything about it. i was just curious about your exclamation. :)
[09:21] <bob2> licadho: so, it's not the default for breezy
[09:21] <bob2> according to two different ubuntu developers
[09:22] <licadho> bob2, according to my default installation (i.e. not selecting LILO or GRUB, just let it go), it installed LILO
[09:22] <bob2> licadho: are you sure yo udidn't just have lilo on the mbr before?
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > licadho: just boot the live cd
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > mount your install on /mnt
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > fix lilo.conf
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > run lilo
[09:22] <[Wiebel] > and your done
[09:23] <trigger_ph> volvoguy: hehe it was the last thing i expected to see from an open-source project :)
[09:23] <licadho> wiebel, hrm, any other options? I'm in Cambodia and it took like 3 days to download the install cd so I'm afraid running the live cd is not an option here :/
[09:23] <licadho> that means I have to re-install over the previously installed breezy, not that big of a deal, just thought we had more elegant ways to get around this problem
[09:23] <cafuego_> Wiebel: you forgot the 'bind mount /proc in the chroot' step
[09:23] <[Wiebel] > licadho: erm
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > boot root=/dev/hda1 ?
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > cafuego_: :>
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > licadho: try boot the cd and start with "ubuntu boot=/dev/hdaX
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > "
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > er
[09:24] <[Wiebel] > s/boot/root
[09:25] <cafuego_> licadho: You can also mount the harddisk from the install cd. Boot that, wait for it to get to the partition menu, then jump to console #2, mount the harddisk, mount proc, chroot... etc.
[09:25] <trigger_ph> brb
[09:26] <JairunCaloth> can a dvd be burned off of a ntfs hdd using the live cd?
[09:27] <licadho> cafuego, I follow you until that jump to console #2 :) mount the harddisk is quite simple. Mount proc? you lost me there, can you be a bit more specific (I've some linux background, just not used to terms)
[09:29] <licadho> wiebel, so when it says boot: I write 'ubuntu boot=/dev/hdaX' ?
[09:29] <vindya> #semarang
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > licadho: where X is the number of your partition
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > of course
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > licadho: and it's root=/dev/hdaX
[09:29] <licadho> btw, I'm surprised I got help as soon as I asked, thanks
[09:29] <[Wiebel] > not boot
[09:30] <licadho> wiebel, and that will load ubuntu, x, gnome, etc.?
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > that wil boot from /dev/hdaX
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > as you installed it
[09:31] <[Wiebel] > with errors
[09:31] <licadho> great
[09:32] <zakame> hello all
[09:32] <kuru> which nfs server should I get the user or kernel one?
[09:32] <BlueT_> hi :)
[09:32] <transgress> hasn't been many updates on breezy past couple days... i take it this means it's getting fairly stable then eh?
[09:32] <licadho> k I'll do that; whats the location for lilo.conf?
[09:33] <nalioth> licadho: /etc/
[09:35] <licadho> k ... oh while I think about it, do you think might problem with LILO erasing Windows OS entry + not offering menus at boot time has anything to do with the fact that I had to install breezy using those 'linux noapic nolapic' parameters ? otherwise it would simply hang there without getting to the installation screen
[09:35] <fek> moin
[09:37] <cafuego_> licadho: No. You can add a windows boot menu entry back in by hand anyway.
[09:38] <cafuego_> licadho: .. provided you don't tell ubuntu to use the entire disk and thus wipe windows.
[09:38] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:38] <cafuego_> (In which case it will indeed not detect it)
[09:40] <cafuego_> your keyboard seems to be typing in the wropng direction
[09:44] <Inf3ctedfx> Hello everyone, does anyone knows whats the name of the package for Java?
[09:45] <licadho> cafuego_, no wipping was involved ;) the strange thing is previously, I manualy added the windows partition in lilo.conf but he ignored it at boot time and removed the section afterwards...
[09:46] <ubuntu> hi
[09:46] <ubuntu> dam
[09:46] <limer> hmm, can't login into the samba server
[09:46] <Inf3ctedfx> !limewire
[09:46] <ubotu> methinks limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire ; or for a gtk-based P2P client that runs on the Gnutella network, try gtk-gnuttela
[09:48] <limer> cafuego, you here man?
[09:51] <cafuego_> limer: all teh time
[09:51] <limer> :P  you have any idea why I can't seem to login to samba on the other box?
[09:51] <cafuego_> licadho: You need to run 'lilo -v' after updating lilo.conf
[09:51] <limer> the default acct I use in ssh doesn't seem to work in network neighborhood
[09:52] <cafuego_> limer: Did you add a user account to samba via 'smbpasswd' ?
[09:52] <twibbler> so this may be an interesting ?. after the latest round of hoary updates .... quite a few of my settings got changed including the keyring ... has anybody else experienced this ?.
[09:52] <limer> :p no
[09:52] <cafuego_> limer: No, samba uses its own password file.
[09:52] <limer> ty
[09:52] <cafuego_> Also, it's "neighbourhood"
[09:55] <vladuz976> bob2: hey you helped me dissable gdm the other day, can you tell me how to enable it again?
[09:55] <cafuego_> vladuz976: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:55] <limer> cafuego, british?
[09:55] <cafuego_> limer: Nah
[09:55] <limer> I have no idea what the old passwd is
[09:55] <limer> where is the file located that stores this info?
[09:56] <cafuego_> limer: You need to add a new user
[09:56] <vladuz976> cafuego_: i have only one dm installed. but gdm is disabled, i forget how i did that
[09:56] <limer> cafuego, how?
[09:56] <cafuego_> sudo smbpasswd -a username
[09:56] <onkarshinde> Is eclipse available for hoary?
[09:56] <cafuego_> vladuz976: 'rcconf' ?
[09:56] <cafuego_> !info eclipse hoary
[09:56] <cafuego_> onkarshinde: No.
[09:56] <vladuz976> cafuego_: maybe
[09:57] <jtan325> onkarshinde, it's in breezy
[09:57] <jtan325> and it's awesome
[09:57] <volvoguy> cafuego_, i didn't know you could do that. does that keep X from starting as well?
[09:57] <cafuego_> volvoguy: Do what?
[09:57] <volvoguy> cafuego_, editing the default-display-manager file.
[09:57] <onkarshinde> jtan325: I know it is awesome. I just wanted to decide whether to download from repos or from official site for hoary.
[09:57] <cafuego_> volvoguy: yeah, if you mess it up, X won't start.
[09:58] <volvoguy> cafuego_, cool! :)
[09:58] <limer> cafuego, so you need to have the user exist at the local OS level before you can create it for smbpasswd?
[09:58] <Kromonos> huhu
[09:58] <cafuego_> volvoguy: basically, etc/rc.d/*dm check the default-display-manager file to see if they should run.
[09:58] <cafuego_> LiIndeed
[09:58] <cafuego_> limer: Indeed.
[09:58] <limer> interesting.  ok
[09:58] <volvoguy> is there a better method for "usually don't run X, but may need to occasionally"?
[09:59] <cafuego_> limer: it's becausde windows passwd encryption uses a different algorithm from Linux; it thus needs to store the password differently. /etc/passwd has no space.
[09:59] <cafuego_> volvoguy: Disable it altogether and run 'startx' from the console when you want X.
[10:01] <pepperpot> I have a sempron 3000+ but in /proc/cpuinfo i don't see sse2. Does that mean my cpu does not have sse2?
[10:01] <Nermal> I guess
[10:02] <volvoguy> cafuego_, disable it by.... removing the relevant file in /etc/rc.d/?
[10:02] <pepperpot> so /proc/info is based on actually probing the cpu during bootup?
[10:02] <pepperpot> /proc/cpuinfo i mean
[10:04] <eran> hello. can some 1 help me set my home network?
[10:04] <eran> pls
[10:04] <Nermal> more info
[10:05] <eran> i have 2 computers 1 with ubuntu and 1 with xp
[10:05] <mrdeath> eran: sure
[10:05] <apsync> when I type "/proc/cpuinfo" it says command not found, but when I type "cat /proc/cpuinfo" it works fine, what kind of command is an does 'cat' ?
[10:05] <mrdeath> eran: and?
[10:06] <BasK> apsync, it outputs the contents of a file to your screen
[10:06] <apsync> oh
[10:06] <apsync> so my pc specs are saved in that file?
[10:06] <BasK> kinda
[10:06] <volvoguy> eran, how are your computers networked together?
[10:06] <apsync> I see, ok
[10:07] <BasK> "/proc" explanations are a bit more highend
[10:07] <BasK> if you want full info on your machine, install/use lshw
[10:07] <eran> I m new with linux and I have no idea how to share or view files throou the network
[10:08] <cafuego_> apsync: The files in /proc are not real files. Accessing them causes the kernel to print some run-time configuration data to the screen. Which data depends on which files you access.
[10:08] <eran> direct line
[10:08] <apsync> Oh..
[10:08] <cafuego_> apsync: others can be written to as well, allowing you to tweak the running kernel in real-time.
[10:08] <eran> no router
[10:08] <mrdeath> eran: you need samba or ftp server
[10:08] <apsync> cool
[10:09] <apsync> ok, thanks for the info
[10:09] <ndazza> hello!
[10:09] <eran> I downloaded smaba 3 but I dont know how to install it
[10:09] <mrdeath> eran: sudo apt-get install samba :)
[10:10] <cafuego_> eran: 'sudo apt-get install samba'. No dowmnlaoding of anything needs to be done by hand.
[10:10] <nalioth> eran: use synaptic to install
[10:10] <volvoguy> eran, they type faster than me. if you need an explanation, let me know. :)
[10:10] <eran> does it metter to where i downloaded it??>
[10:11] <volvoguy> eran, there is a tool called synaptic that downloads and installs the software automatically.
[10:11] <zakame> hi, back again
[10:11] <NilXu> if i was needing to get an older version of isolinux onto an ubuntu iso what would i have to do?
[10:11] <neoxan> hey
[10:11] <iandexter> hey zak
[10:11] <zakame> broken -mm
[10:11] <eran> ok
[10:12] <volvoguy> eran, in the top panel, click on "system > administration > synaptic package manager"
[10:12] <eran> it is runing nad?
[10:12] <neoxan> anyone using a geforce 2 gpu with breezy?
[10:12] <zakame> volvoguy, or apt-get
[10:12] <walde> It is really not important, but is there a way, to make the scrolling in the breezy bootup smoother?
[10:12] <cafuego_> neoxan: use the 'nvidia-glx-legacy' package.
[10:12] <eran> now what?
[10:12] <neoxan> yes, cafuego_, but i cant install it
[10:12] <cafuego_> Why not?
[10:12] <volvoguy> eran, just click on search and type the package name "samba".
[10:13] <volvoguy> eran, when you have it, right click and select install. then hit the apply button.
[10:13] <neoxan> it says it needs nvidia-glx but it will remove nvidia-glx-legacy if i install i
[10:13] <neoxan> tt
[10:13] <Magilla_> I have some customers who aren't so good with computers, but bought ubuntu and asked me to install it for them. We are having problems with the customers digital camera
[10:13] <eran> it is installed allready
[10:13] <cafuego_> neoxan: What says it needs nvidia-glx?
[10:14] <neoxan> the legacy package
[10:14] <volvoguy> mrdeath, that's all eran needs, isn't it?
[10:14] <cafuego_> neoxan: Okay, file a bug against it.
[10:14] <Myrtti> Magilla_: aaaaannnnnnnnddd? we're not telepathics, you know
[10:14] <eran> but istill cant c my other computer or use its printer
[10:14] <neoxan> what?
[10:14] <eran> and share the internet connection
[10:14] <transgress> is there a way to change which audio player gnome uses for it's key bindings setup?
[10:15] <volvoguy> eran, you're trying to use windows to share the internet connection?
[10:15] <cafuego_> neoxan: if it depends on it AND wants to remove it, you should file a bug against nvidia-glx-legacy, so it can be fixed.
[10:15] <neoxan> oh ok
[10:15] <shandar> grr.. this is driving me nuts now. how do I change the refresh rate? mine is stuck at 60 Hz but I know it supports up to 75 Hz..
[10:15] <eran> I tried
[10:16] <Magilla_> after I plug it in and turn it on, I have to *su* to the administrator account (first account created) and then sudo to mount the media.  If I turn the camera off and then back on again, it comes back as the next SD device and has to be remounted.  Does ubuntu have an automounter or something?
[10:16] <eran> my ubuntu computer has the connection and I want to share it with my xp
[10:16] <snausages> shandar System > Preferences > Screen Resolution
[10:16] <Magilla_> Myrtti: sorry, I hate typing on laptop keyboards; I'm a bit slow on them
[10:16] <emperon> take a look at and have fun: http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.208.html
[10:16] <volvoguy> eran, i think you are going to need someone more awake than i am for this one. :)
[10:17] <pc22> i lost my xp entry in grub after update to breezy? how do restore it
[10:17] <neoxan> cafuego_: i installed it with the nvidia package from the site (old one) now it says screen(s) found but no usable configuration?!
[10:17] <eran> is there any1 more awake then volvoguy in here?
[10:17] <cafuego_> pc22: System -> Administration -> Boot
[10:17] <volvoguy> :o)
[10:17] <limer> I don't think I need beer anymore
[10:18] <shandar> snausages, yeah, but I can only select 60 Hz in the list, that's the problem. I've edited the xorg.conf by increasing the HorizSync & VertSync quite a lot but it doens't help..
[10:18] <neoxan> limer, its 10 am
[10:18] <neoxan> o0
[10:18] <Myrtti> Magilla_: per default, there is not everything that needs administrator rights is done with sudo. Automounting should be on on the first user accound made (as it has the rights to automount) but you may want to adjust /etc/fstab accordingly.
[10:18] <volvoguy> eran needs some help with samba and maybe a proxy server. can someone help out?
[10:18] <snausages> shandar ahhh, im sorry i'm just a newb myself. ;\
[10:18] <cafuego_> Filthy liar!  I can only select 60 Hz in the the screen resolution applet. I've edited the xorg.conf by increasing the HorizSync & VertSync quite a lot but it doens't help..
[10:19] <eran> my ubuntu computer has the connection and I want to share it with my xp. can some 1 help?
[10:19] <volvoguy> eran, someone will help eventually. i promise. it seems like we're having a shift change in here or something. : )
[10:19] <cafuego_> shandar: Did you restart X?
[10:19] <nalioth> shandar: have you run from a terminal "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[10:20] <shandar> cafuego, Yeah, I've done it quite a few times
[10:20] <shandar> nalioth, I've run it, didn't help
[10:20] <cafuego_> shandar; CRT or LCD?
[10:20] <Magilla_> Myrtti: so by editing the /etc/fstab I can make the devices automount for all accounts then?
[10:20] <shandar> cafuego, CRT
[10:20] <concept10> eran: Did you install Samba?
[10:20] <dade`> i need vlc on ubuntu breezy
[10:20] <Myrtti> Magilla_: if you add the correct parameters to it, I believe so yes.
[10:20] <eran> yep
[10:20] <concept10> eran: also, you should attempt to post how your computers are connected.
[10:20] <dade`> there are alternative working repositories ?
[10:21] <eran> throu a direct line
[10:21] <eran> no router
[10:21] <cafuego_> dade`: Nope, not until it's released afaik
[10:21] <dade`> mm ?
[10:21] <Inf3ctedfx> Ppl, I just install LimeWire, but I dont know where the executable is... how can I find out? I already try the command "whereis" but it wont show me anything
[10:21] <dade`> the old release ?
[10:21] <concept10> Inf3ctedfx: runLime.sh
[10:21] <Inf3ctedfx> thx
[10:22] <dade`> i just need a vlc.
[10:22] <shandar> dade, add the extra repostitories listed in the ubuntuguide.org, then install it through synaptic
[10:23] <shandar> dade`, add the extra repostitories listed in the ubuntuguide.org, then install it through synaptic
[10:23] <nalioth> shandar: ubuntuguide is poison
[10:23] <dade`> let's see
[10:23] <nalioth> !tell shandar about ubuntuguide
[10:23] <nalioth> !tell shandar about sources
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > !tell wiebel where to find the pot of gold
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > :>
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > 10:23 ubotu No, [wiebel] , I won't. (target invalid?)
[10:23] <[Wiebel] > hehe
[10:24] <dade`> ubuntuguide.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again.
[10:24] <dade`> WTF
[10:24] <shandar> nalioth, It has worked perfectly for me?
[10:24] <dade`> works ?
[10:24] <shandar> odd
[10:24] <Madpilot> dade`: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead...
[10:24] <nalioth> shandar: if you are a brand new to *nix user, and follow the 'guide, you may kill your box
[10:24] <NilXu> i have an older box running suse 7.3 and want to put ubuntu on it (it meets all the system requirements), but it will not let me boot the ubuntu installer cd...  it will let me boot onto the suse 7.3 cd, but not knoppix either.  what is going on?
[10:25] <ghostdog_> can we be infected with virus or spywares here ?
[10:25] <shandar> nalioth, I am a brand new user! :-) And so far I've gotten almost everything to work
[10:25] <nalioth> ghostdog_: not on linux
[10:26] <nalioth> shandar: if you have any non official ubuntu repositories, i suggest you disable them immediately
[10:26] <dade`> i think url: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:26] <dade`> should be what i need
[10:26] <dade`> works also with breezy?
[10:27] <neoxan> when will breezy stable be released?
[10:27] <NilXu> BlueEagle: i have an older box running suse 7.3 and want to put ubuntu on it (it meets all the system requirements), but it will not let me boot the ubuntu installer cd...  it will let me boot onto the suse 7.3 cd, but not knoppix either.  what is going on?
[10:27] <nalioth> neoxan: oct 13
[10:27] <locomorto> neoxan: 6 months after hoary
[10:27] <neoxan> nice
[10:27] <neoxan> thats my birthday
[10:27] <neoxan> :D
[10:27] <shandar> nalioth, AFAIK all repositiories I have are on ubuntu servers
[10:27] <locomorto> lol
[10:27] <ndazza> happy birthday from the ubuntu team :)
[10:27] <locomorto> im on breezy now btw, and its quite stable
[10:27] <nalioth> shandar: compare with the list ubotu sent you
[10:28] <nalioth> shandar: using non official repos WILL cause trouble down the road
[10:28] <dade`> no
[10:28] <dade`> does not work for breezy
[10:28] <dade`> FFF
[10:29] <Magilla_> Myrtti: what is the correct way to add this new entry?
[10:29] <shandar> nalioth, I'll do that. Thanks for the warning!
[10:29] <Myrtti> Magilla_: sudo nano /etc/fstab is nice
[10:29] <nalioth> shandar: read the factoids ubotu sent you
[10:29] <twosharp> Seveas, could i please get a
[10:30] <Myrtti> Magilla_: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[10:30] <heartzel21> hi!ctc!
[10:30] <twosharp> Seveas, could i please get an acccount on your repository so i can download java?
[10:30] <Myrtti> :-o
[10:30] <luite_> is it possible to get a list of installed packages, ordered by size?
[10:31] <Magilla_> Myrtti: man page says to put in the volume label or uuid rather than the block device, so if the device changes, it will still work
[10:32] <Myrtti> Magilla_: then do it by man
[10:32] <Myrtti> Magilla_: but the link I gave you explains the terms used pretty well
[10:32] <Magilla_> oh, I missed that
[10:32] <Magilla_> thanks
[10:33] <heartzel21> thhtj
[10:33] <heartzel21> ll.
[10:33] <ColonelKernel> theres no devfs support in the vanilla kernel like there is in ubuntu, and when I boot up it says it is trying to mount devfs over a temporary file system , is there any fix to this?
[10:33] <nalioth> twosharp: what programs do you want from seveas?
[10:36] <kairu0> hi. i am running breezy. can i delete ubuntu-desktop safely?
[10:37] <volvoguy> kairu0, it should be safe if breezy is installed ok.
[10:38] <nalioth> volvoguy: i hate spambots
[10:38] <volvoguy> kairu0, that metapackage just makes sure that everything gets installed properly initially.
[10:38] <kairu0> cool thnkx
[10:38] <twosharp> nalioth, java and adobereader
[10:38] <volvoguy> nalioth, what's goin' on that there's so many lately?
[10:39] <nalioth> volvoguy: lately? as in the last few weeks?
[10:39] <volvoguy> nalioth, yeah.
[10:40] <hermione> dsdsddssd
[10:40] <nalioth> twosharp: for now you can get the java from here (you must be running breezy) http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[10:40] <hermione> dsdsdds
[10:40] <BasK> Hi, does anybody know how to change the kernel on a (breezy) livecd?
[10:40] <twosharp> nalioth: thanks :) Im running breezy btw :)
[10:40] <nalioth> volvoguy: some group has a stupid amount of compromised boxen and has handed their evil spambot fleet a copy if mirc and let them loose upon the world
[10:41] <volvoguy> nalioth, great. the fifth graders attack.
[10:41] <nalioth> twosharp: seveas has bandwidth caps you see
[10:43] <twosharp> nalioth, ok, thanks.. but are there only bt-download? cause I'm setting up a computer at school, and all ports are blocked :s
[10:43] <nalioth> twosharp: for now that is all. Seveas will be around later, tho
[10:44] <nalioth> twosharp: you can't use an alternate port?
[10:46] <nalioth> volvoguy: note where the vast majority of the spambots come from
[10:47] <volvoguy> nalioth, .ro?
[10:48] <BasK> twosharp, I can get the torrent and put it online for you for now if you want
[10:48] <Magilla_> Myrtti: I added the new entry to /etc/fstab, and I can now manually mount the camera as a normal user.  Is there a way of setting it up to auto mount/umount? These people know nothing of the CLI, and I don't think they want to either
[10:48] <volvoguy> nalioth, i can't tell. (of course i'm drugged and half asleep). they seem to be all over.
[10:49] <tga> Magilla_, doesn't gnome automagically mount your camera?
[10:49] <Myrtti> Magilla_: auto allows automount, noauto disallows it
[10:49] <Magilla_> tga: no, it's not automounting
[10:49] <twosharp> BasK: that would be great :D
[10:49] <nalioth> volvoguy: just an observation
[10:49] <twosharp> nalioth, no, ive scanned everything and no ports where open...
[10:50] <Cossins> hey, is there a channel for breezy help questions?
[10:50] <nalioth> twosharp: there are ways to piggyback via port 80 (or so i've heard)
[10:50] <twosharp> nalioth, there was one tcp-port open though, but no udp..
[10:50] <nalioth> Cossins: you're in it
[10:50] <Magilla_> Myrtti: auto is set, but seems (from the link) to refer to either (1) auto detection of the filesystem or (2) automounting when the computerboots, depending on which column it is in fstab
[10:50] <tga> Cossins, knee-deep
[10:50] <BasK> twosharp, I see that you can download the file normally from ubuntu
[10:50] <Nameeater_> I have upgraded the X packages on Ubuntu that came up recently and now X/gdm die. I have dual monitors and it works with the older PCI card but when I try and use the NVIDIA it doesn't work, are there any fixes for this?
[10:50] <BasK> twosharp, http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10/
[10:50] <Cossins> :-
[10:50] <Cossins> :_P
[10:50] <twosharp> nalioth, yes, ive heard it too.. but i don't have time/interest in that now..
[10:50] <Cossins> bleh
[10:51] <Viking667> evening, you lot.
[10:51] <Nameeater_> Hoary Ubuntu, not breezy for my Q
[10:51] <Nameeater_> ello Viking667  ;)
[10:51] <Cossins> anyways, X.org is being a bitch as usual...
[10:51] <Magilla_> is there a gnome setting for automounting?
[10:51] <twosharp> Bask: what about Breezy? i am currently running breezy preview..
[10:52] <BasK> twosharp, thats the latest one afaik
[10:52] <Cossins> Magilla_: that would be gnome-volume-manager something-something
[10:52] <twosharp> BasK: yes I know =) but what about the link http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/5.10 ?
[10:53] <nalioth> BasK: we are appreciative, but twosharp wants some custom debs for breezy
[10:53] <BasK> ah, sorry, wasnt reading correctly
[10:53] <pitti> Magilla_: System -> Preferences -> Removable Devices
[10:53] <pitti> Hi [Chameleon]
[10:53] <nalioth> [Chameleon] : welcome
[10:54] <twosharp> BasK: =)
[10:54] <emperon> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[10:54] <BasK> but maybe I can still help, just tell me what tottents to get
[10:54] <BasK> torrents
[10:54] <[Chameleon] > hi pitti, nalioth and the rest of you people
[10:55] <Magilla_> pitti: weird.  It's already set to automount
[10:55] <nalioth> twosharp: you want the 1.4 or .5 jre or sdk?
[10:55] <Magilla_> I wonder why it's not working...
[10:55] <twosharp> BasK: if you could please download the j2re1.5 from http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/ .. thanks a lot if you can do that :)
[10:55] <nalioth> twosharp: jre or sdk?
[10:55] <twosharp> nalioth, BasK: jre 1.5
[10:56] <twosharp> hehe
[10:56] <Cossins> oooh... is there a 1.5 jdk in anyverse?
[10:56] <BasK> twosharp, I'm on it
[10:56] <twosharp> :D
[10:56] <pitti> Magilla_: and it doesn't work? Please open a bug and do the debugging steps on wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[10:57] <nalioth> Cossins: can you torrent?
[10:57] <Java_the_Hutt> Cossins, i think yes
[10:57] <Nameeater_> anyone had any problems with Hoary and NVIDIA dying after installing the recent X upgrades
[10:57] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[10:57] <Cossins> cool...
[10:57] <bob2> ColonelKernel: why?
[10:58] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: that's a bad idea
[10:58] <BasK> twosharp, 10 mins
[10:58] <Cossins> but anyways... how to fix the latest "could not find default font 'fixed'" FontPath hell?
[10:58] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, why is that so ?
[10:58] <Magilla_> pitti: not it doesn't work, but I'm assuming that's because it shows up as an SD device (currently sdf1)
[10:58] <ColonelKernel> bob2, because I like them!
[10:58] <nalioth> Cossins: you can get breezy java pkgs here (for now) http://giannaros.org/tor/bt/
[10:58] <pitti> Magilla_: that should be fine, most removable devices show up as SCSI
[10:59] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: because it takes quite a while to happen; do you want to not be able to move it for that period? or what if you accidentally close it, you can't do anything until it finishes and resumes
[10:59] <ColonelKernel> bob2, I like having more options I guess
[10:59] <Nameeater_> Cossins: are you using the nvidia drivers?
[11:00] <ColonelKernel> its fun to play w the kernel
[11:00] <ColonelKernel> teaches me more about linux
[11:00] <Cossins> Nameeater_: yup
[11:00] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, accidentally ? I could excidentally push the turn of button
[11:00] <Nameeater_> I'm wondering if thats breaking things, I get errors further up in my Xorg log
[11:00] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: which does nothing by default, either
[11:01] <twosharp> Bask: thanks again =)
[11:01] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: anyway, look in /etc/acpi/events/ if you really think it's a good idea
[11:01] <Cossins> Nameeater_: does that make any difference at all for the FontPaths? :-S
[11:02] <ColonelKernel> bob2, any idea when breezy might move to a 2.6.13+ kernel?
[11:02] <bob2> haha
[11:02] <bob2> never
[11:02] <ColonelKernel> why never?
[11:02] <bob2> because breezy is very deep in freeze
[11:02] <Vespoli> hmmm why does xmms crash :o
[11:02] <bob2> Vespoli: are you using el dodgo nvidia drivers?
[11:02] <Vespoli> nop
[11:03] <osfameron> bob2, Java_the_Hutt: I like sleep on close lid too.  I always get bad tempered when I reopen and realize it's run out of juice unlike a Win/Mac laptop
[11:03] <Vespoli> standard ATI radeon
[11:03] <Nameeater_> Cossins: I have no idea, but thats what I reckon is crashing my X when I try and use the nvidia drivers ;)
[11:03] <ColonelKernel> but theyre coming out with a new linux-source every week or so, just more 2.6.12's though
[11:03] <Vespoli> well, erm, the xorg free stuff
[11:03] <bob2> ColonelKernel: if you have a really reason for wanting 2.6.13, you can file a bug asking whatever change you care about be backported
[11:03] <bob2> ColonelKernel: yes, which only contain bug fixes
[11:03] <Nameeater_> I also get those font path errors
[11:03] <bob2> osfameron: sleep != suspend to disk
[11:03] <Vespoli> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0xb6a12738 ***
[11:03] <Cossins> Nameeater_: I see the NVIDIA logo, and then it crashed with the FontPath message
[11:03] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i hibernate my laptop when i close its lid ?
[11:03] <osfameron> bob2: ah
[11:03] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: as I said, /etc/acpi/events/
[11:04] <osfameron> bob2: what's the difference between sleep and hibernate?
[11:04] <ColonelKernel> bob2, it would require a LOT of work cause they take out devfs support, and that is evidently important to ubuntu kernels
[11:04] <Java_the_Hutt> sorry ok
[11:04] <Vespoli> how can I get xmms to work ?@
[11:04] <Nameeater_> I see the logo then it crashes and I don't catch anything, it then retries to load 2 more times, and when I look at the logs I have Font errors at the bottom
[11:04] <osfameron> all I want is a) not drain battery, b) start where I left off when I reopen
[11:04] <Vespoli> sleep
[11:04] <Nameeater_> further up I have (EE) NVIDIA(0): errors, maybe you should see if you have them too?
[11:04] <Vespoli> don't hibernate, its still unstable
[11:05] <Vespoli> :o
[11:05] <osfameron> so...
[11:05] <Java_the_Hutt> even in Breezy ?
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: sleep shuts down most things and just keeps the ram running, so you can com eback to life in ~5s or so.  suspend to disk saves everything to swap, then powers the whole machine down.
[11:05] <osfameron> How can i sleep my laptop when i close its lid ?
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: the former needs hardware support, the latter does not
[11:05] <bob2> osfameron: 19:03:58           bob2 | Java_the_Hutt: as I said, /etc/acpi/events/
[11:05] <osfameron> ok, just checking was same for sleep :-)
[11:05] <bob2> Vespoli: if it doesn't work for you, please file a bug
[11:05] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: it works for lots of people
[11:05] <bob2> but is indeed broken on some machines
[11:05] <Vespoli> erm , I don't have much info here ........
[11:06] <osfameron> I've poked around in /etc/acpi/events a bit, got kinda confused.  Is there a documented overview somewhere?
[11:06] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, that reminds me the famous murphy laws
[11:06] <Belutz> bob2: how do I test the ACPI on my notebook?
[11:06] <tga> methinks the polymer qt theme should be included with Ubuntu
[11:06] <Vespoli> i.e., I have no idea how to give the core dump, etc.
[11:06] <Vespoli> bob2,
[11:06] <bob2> Vespoli: there's no core to dump
[11:06] <tga> to make Skype & co look nice in Gnome
[11:06] <bob2> Vespoli: disable DPMS blanking in /etc/default/acpi-support, file a bug using whatever info you can see
[11:06] <Vespoli> :P I mean I dunno how to file a bug report
[11:06] <bob2> Belutz: what part of it?
[11:06] <Vespoli> k
[11:07] <bob2> Vespoli: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <bob2> osfameron: the acpi-support package has no docs in the usual place?
[11:07] <Belutz> bob2: suspend to disk and suspend to ram
[11:07] <bob2> Belutz: suspend to disk has nothing to do with acpi; sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[11:08] <bob2> Belutz: suspend to ram requires your hardware to be sane, sudo /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[11:08] <bob2> Belutz: also, wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryLaptopTesting and wiki/LaptopTestingTeam
[11:08] <tga> should I add a feature request as a bug?
[11:10] <BasK> twosharp, http://edison.luon.net/~bas/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[11:10] <osfameron> bob2: there's not a great deal in /usr/share/doc for acpi nor acpi-support.  No man acpi-support, and man acpi is about the client command
[11:11] <osfameron> I'm sure it's documented somewhere, I'll search wiki
[11:11] <twosharp> BasK: thanks :D you're the best!
[11:11] <bob2> oh well
[11:11] <bob2> each script in /etc/acpi/events/ gets called for a particular event
[11:11] <BasK> twosharp, np
[11:11] <bob2> the names are pretty self-evident
[11:11] <tga> bob2, I'd like to suggest Ubuntu packages and includes the polymer QT theme as the default to make QT apps fit in with Clearlooks.. should I add that as a bug?
[11:11] <bob2> you can modify what they do
[11:11] <Belutz> bob2: ok, i'll try that
[11:12] <bob2> tga: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU, first get it into Ubuntu at all
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> i dont know how to wake my system back up out of sleep
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> it sleeps ok though
[11:12] <bob2> ColonelKernel: suspend to ram or suspend to disk?
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> bob2, ram - i havent messed with disk yet
[11:12] <ColonelKernel> in windows I just hit enter
[11:12] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, i saw that there's a lid.sh file to be prepared for the action
[11:12] <bob2> closing and opening the lid might do it
[11:13] <bob2> or it might be hung
[11:13] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: yes
[11:13] <osfameron> bob2: yes, I got that far, but then you have to work out what to put is lid.sh
[11:13] <ColonelKernel> its a desktop system
[11:13] <osfameron> it seems to just mess about with the screensaver by default
[11:13] <bob2> osfameron: no, in /etc/acpi/event/lidbtn
[11:13] <osfameron> and it has an uncommented if else block, one part of which is presumably lid up, the other lid down
[11:13] <bob2> dude
[11:13] <bob2> 19:11:40           bob2 | each script in /etc/acpi/events/ gets called for a particular event
[11:13] <osfameron> bob2: yes, lidbtn calls lid.sh :-)
[11:14] <bob2> osfameron: yes, so change it to call something else
[11:14] <bob2> e.g. /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[11:14] <bob2> assuming you've made sure sleep works reliably
[11:14] <osfameron> ah, except, presumably lidbtn gets called both on close and open?
[11:14] <ColonelKernel> bob2, so I need to look at /etc/acpi/resume.sh?
[11:14] <osfameron> yeah, sleep works fine, ta
[11:15] <bob2> osfameron: good point, you'll need to hack lid.sh
[11:15] <bob2> (my apologies, I haven't looked at it in ages)
[11:15] <bob2> ColonelKernel: the hardware has to wake up before the acpi scripts get to run
[11:15] <bz0b> hey guys
[11:15] <apsync> each time I edit and save a document, my text editor makes backup.txt~, how do I turn this off?
[11:15] <ColonelKernel> yeah i gotta figure out the key for that in linux I gues
[11:15] <bob2> that's editor specific, of course
[11:15] <ColonelKernel> any hints?
[11:16] <bob2> that sounds a lot more like it isn't going to wake up
[11:16] <tombs> hi ppl
[11:16] <ColonelKernel> agreed
[11:16] <bob2> lid close and open doesn't work?
[11:16] <Madpilot> what's the command to background an app that you've started via the terminal?
[11:16] <bz0b> god damn, I have the worst hangover from last night right now.
[11:17] <bob2> Madpilot: %1&
[11:17] <bz0b> I honestly don't remember one thing I even did last night
[11:17] <[Chameleon] > bz0b: and you think we care?
[11:17] <bz0b> haha
[11:17] <[Chameleon] > bz0b: go drink some coffee
[11:17] <Madpilot> bob2: I thought it was Ctrl+<something>?
[11:17] <bz0b> I do remember coming in IRC, just don't remember what I was saying
[11:18] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, the best cure for a hangover is oxygen
[11:18] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, sorry for the delay what should i write in that  file in order to commence the hibernate
[11:18] <bz0b> Well then being on the shitter right now isnt giving me the best oxygen.
[11:18] <bob2> Madpilot: ctrl-z suspends it
[11:19] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: you really think it's a good idea?
[11:19] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: it's pretty non-trivial, too; you need to edit /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[11:19] <nalioth> bz0b: you are probably not gonna want to come back. i have detailed logs of your activities.
[11:19] <Belutz> bob2: if i tested my notebook, can i add it to wiki?
[11:19] <bz0b> nalioth: huh?
[11:19] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, HELL YES!
[11:19] <bz0b> nalioth: what are you talking about? what did I say?
[11:20] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, someone gotta drinkin problem in here or something?
[11:20] <kairu0> since i upgraded to breezy, i cant reboot (although i can shut down). where should i start troubleshooting this?
[11:20] <nalioth> bz0b: when you are sober, you may read the /topic here and see what you did
[11:21] <bob2> Belutz: yes, that would be good
[11:21] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, hope you never design a GUI otherwise we would see, "are you sure you wanna quit ?, are you really sure you wanna quit?, really ?" lol
[11:21] <bz0b> ColonelKernel: I think if anyone were to drink a whole bottle of Absolute Vodka and half a bottle of bacardi superior in a 10 minute frame would seem to have a drinking problem too
[11:21] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: okiedokie
[11:21] <bob2> good luck then
[11:21] <Belutz> bob2: ok :D
[11:21] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, how big bottles?
[11:22] <bz0b> nalioth: I am sober now, just have a horrible hangover, anyways, so I just do what to read topic?
[11:22] <ColonelKernel> I gotta assume pints because youd be dead as a doornail if you did that with fifths
[11:22] <bz0b> the absolute was i think almost a gallon, and the superior was like a liter
[11:22] <bz0b> Not too sure, have to go look
[11:22] <nalioth> bz0b: go to bed, and we'll see you later
[11:23] <osfameron> yay, sleep seemed to work, though on opening the screen blanked and had to Ctrl-Alt-F7 to view login, guess I need to add something to wakeup part
[11:23] <bz0b> nalioth: I had gone to bed, and now I just woke up, I couldn't sleep
[11:23] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, well pardon me for saying so, but you are a f*****g liar.
[11:23] <bob2> osfameron: hm, it should run chvt for you
[11:23] <bob2> osfameron: you can probably crib the right bit from the old lid.sh
[11:23] <osfameron> bob2: oh, I just added a call to sleep.sh within the old lid.sh
[11:24] <BasK> twosharp, let me know when you finish the dl ok?
[11:24] <bz0b> ColonelKernel: I am not sure if its exactly a whole gallon, but maybe a little less, and actually no, I am not lying, it would be pointless to lie to a chatroom full of people I would never meet in real life, why would I need to ly?
[11:24] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, for attention
[11:25] <ColonelKernel> if you drank a gallon of vodka in 10 minutes you'd be dead.
[11:25] <bob2> if you drank a gallon of vodkay in a night you'd be dead
[11:25] <bz0b> Not with a 320 pound body weight to back it up.
[11:25] <bob2> or in a coma
[11:25] <apsync> what package do I need to play .wmv files?
[11:25] <bob2> apsync: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:25] <fredric> Hi.. Extream newbie alert but.. How do I install Java and W32codecs on Ubuntu.. I've tried UbuntuGeeks script on the forum, but that seems somewhat broken..
[11:25] <Cossins> mplayer-custom or whatever...
[11:25] <ColonelKernel> no bz0b even with a 320 pound body weight, you'd be dead as a doornail.
[11:26] <bob2> fredric: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:26] <ColonelKernel> bob2, a gallon of vodka in 10 minutes is pushin daisies
[11:26] <nalioth> bz0b: go to sleep, friend and come back here in a couple of days
[11:26] <bz0b> Would you like to explain to me then why I have 2 empty bottles downstairs then
[11:26] <Viking667> oh - time for bed. Night, all.
[11:26] <ColonelKernel> bz0b, get a life.
[11:27] <bob2> anyway
[11:27] <nalioth> bz0b: you and ColonelKernel are offtopic, please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:27] <ColonelKernel> nalioth, dont include me in on it please - he's ignored.
[11:29] <bz0b> nalioth: I will see ya in a few days, this is getting out of hand man, see ya soon.
[11:29] <Seveas> fredric, unfortunately they both got removed from hoary-extras
[11:29] <Seveas> are you running hoary or breezy?
[11:31] <CrashBox> hey all, ne1 know of an mp3 media player software that supports archived file formats?
[11:31] <mcphail> When we all dist-upgrade in October, will our existing W32codecs still work?
[11:31] <Magilla_> pitti: it's working much better now, thanks. However, my screwing around has had side-effects. There are now 4 icons on the desktop ( Camera, camera(2), camera(3), and camera(5) ) and gnome won't let me delete them
[11:31] <fredric> Seveas, Im running Hoary..
[11:31] <Magilla_> how do I get rid of them?
[11:32] <nalioth> mcphail: they should
[11:32] <Seveas> fredric, java -> http://ubuntu.tower-net.de  w32codecs -> http://www.mplayerhq.hu
[11:32] <b-movie> hi, what about the w32codecs? why they disappeared?
[11:32] <pitti> Magilla_: it seems that there are five partitions on the camera. Please open a bug, do "lshal > lshal.txt" and attach lshal.txt to it
[11:32] <fredric> Seveas Thanks a bunch!
[11:33] <CrashBox> Magilla_: are deleting as root?
[11:33] <bob2> CrashBox: "archived file formats"?
[11:33] <Magilla_> CrashBox: no
[11:33] <CrashBox> yeah, like rars, zips, etc
[11:33] <Seveas> b-movie, we're not the hoary-extras maintainers; we don't know :)
[11:33] <Magilla_> pitti: they are on the desktop whether the camera is attached or not
[11:33] <CrashBox> Magilla_: try deleting from command line using sudo
[11:33] <bob2> CrashBox: I'd hope not
[11:33] <b-movie> okay, sorry. but maybe its due to some drm-stuff?
[11:33] <bob2> compressing mp3 files is silly
[11:33] <pitti> Magilla_: ouch; however, it comes from the camera, so please open a bug
[11:33] <apsync> how can I get wma2 codec?
[11:33] <CrashBox> i used to use foobar2000 on windows and it would play mp3 from archived files
[11:34] <bob2> b-movie: because no one has any right to distribute them
[11:34] <ColonelKernel> arent they already compresssed?
[11:34] <Seveas> apsync, w32codecs :)
[11:34] <bob2> ColonelKernel: yes
[11:34] <CrashBox> bob2: it helps keep things more organized
[11:34] <Inf3ctedfx> hello people
[11:34] <bob2> CrashBox: how?
[11:34] <Magilla_> pitti: I assume it has to do with me mounting and not umounting the camera before unplugging it multiple times
[11:34] <Inf3ctedfx> question: i can't play mp3's on XMMS, any suggestions
[11:34] <thenuke> bob2: I think that he packs the up as one big packages ;)
[11:35] <apsync> "ubotu: Install w32codecs from the hoary-extras repository." <-- what does he mean :P
[11:35] <thenuke> bob2: not like compressing them file by file
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: ah, yes, that makes sense
[11:35] <Seveas> Inf3ctedfx: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[11:35] <CrashBox> i dont like to have a bunch of files scattered about, instead, i just rar them up, and have 1 file for a whole allbum
[11:35] <Magilla_> pitti: is it safe to sudo del them?
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: if you mounted it with "sudo mount" or whatever
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, he's a liar (or actually his info needs to be updated)
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: not del
[11:35] <Magilla_> ah
[11:35] <Magilla_> ok
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, hoary or breezy?
[11:35] <pitti> Magilla_: sudo umount ...
[11:35] <bob2> oh god, rar
[11:35] <bob2> that's even worse
[11:35] <apsync> breezy
[11:35] <Seveas> apsync, then wait a few seconds
[11:36] <CrashBox> thats what i used originally
[11:36] <apsync> Ok :)
[11:36] <Inf3ctedfx> how do i change the audio output on XMMS Seveas ?
[11:36] <bob2> please don't increase the badness of the world by using rar
[11:36] <Seveas> Inf3ctedfx, open the preferences (ctrl p), go to plugins, output plugin
[11:36] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, solved your problem ?
[11:36] <CrashBox> bob2: what do u suggest then?
[11:36] <CrashBox> just leaving them extracted?
[11:36] <bob2> CrashBox: a "directory"
[11:37] <bob2> CrashBox: it's like a .rar, but not some stupid proprietary format, and usable by every tool o nyour system
[11:37] <max_> quit
[11:37] <Seveas> rar is nice (compression-wise) but the proprietary-ness sucks
[11:37] <nalioth> Seveas: bzip2 is nice that way
[11:37] <Seveas> indeed
[11:38] <bob2> I bet .rar cannot beat rzip
[11:38] <Inf3ctedfx> Seveas: got a message said couldn't open audio
[11:38] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: well, I got it to sleep, I'll worry about the finer points of waking up later :-)
[11:38] <bob2> also, "compresing" mp3s is pointless
[11:39] <Seveas> kinda...
[11:39] <CrashBox> isnt 7zip best compressionb?
[11:39] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, in deed you check out the /etc/acpi
[11:39] <zenrox> no it ant bob2  just makes it easer to transfer
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <Seveas> zenrox, how on earth does that make it easier?
[11:39] <bob2> CrashBox: no
[11:39] <zenrox> one big file
[11:39] <bob2> zenrox: wtf
[11:39] <zenrox> not 20
[11:39] <bob2> fine, I adumit
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <zenrox> lol
[11:39] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, you will see the scripts written ther all you have to do go to /etc/acpi/events/lid.sh and change the lid.sh to hibernate.sh
[11:39] <bob2> if you're a warez kiddy with too much time on your hands, rar is clearl ythe solution
[11:39] <xukun> my desktop switcher is not starting anymore. how can I start it manualy? I,m using Breezy
[11:40] <bob2> if you want to play your damn music, use a directory
[11:40] <CrashBox> well, if u can do both, y not
[11:40] <Seveas> xukun, rightclick on the panel, select add to panel, select the desktop switcheer
[11:40] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: ah.  I thought that would hibernate (as you wanted) rather than sleep (my preference) ?
[11:40] <Java_the_Hutt> i love linux because of that power. You could even turn off your refrigirator when you turn off the lid
[11:40] <bob2> I want to make an island
[11:40] <bob2> and put all the people who use rar on it
[11:41] <osfameron> the acpi stuff isn't very well documented that I can see
[11:41] <Magilla_> pitti: w00t.  Got them
[11:41] <Magilla_> thanks
[11:41] <zxsykco> Ha!
[11:41] <Seveas> bob2, and then rar-compress the island I guess? :)
[11:41] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, no need for documentation
[11:41] <osfameron> it's ok for me as I *can* grok shell scripts (though by and large I'm too lazy to bother)
[11:41] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: eh?  In an ideal world, it would be gui-editable, or be a config file (and even that should be documented)
[11:41] <Inf3ctedfx> hey guys another question: slave harddrive that was running on WIN partition how do i access files
[11:41] <bob2> osfameron: yes, there have long been plans for some actual ui for it, but it seems no one has had time to implement it
[11:41] <osfameron> if you have to edit shell scripts, it should be documentable
[11:42] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: /msg ubotu ntfs
[11:42] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, well that's the linux world, if you want power
[11:42] <bob2> osfameron: I think gnome-power-manager is the current dealy
[11:42] <osfameron> bob2: ta
[11:42] <Inf3ctedfx> !ubotu ntfs
[11:42] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[11:43] <Java_the_Hutt> osfameron, suppose that you really want to turn off your refrigrator when you turn off the lid. What gui would allow this ? But shell scripts does!
[11:43] <osfameron> Java_the_Hutt: yeah, but this is Linux for Human Beings, no?  I like the pointy clicky stuff too, because then I can spend my brainpower grokking the stuff I actually need instead
[11:43] <transgress> dist-upgrade is trying to install a linux-image-386... i don't even have a 386 installed... only k7... how i can i tell it not to?
[11:44] <transgress> nm
[11:44] <bob2> it's "Ideally we would be for human beings, but due to the amount of work involved, we're currently only for human beings who like defaults or are happy to dig deeper and change things themselves."
[11:44] <transgress> i found the problem
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> does anyone knows which line do I have to add under my fstab??
[11:44] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, totally agree
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> to access to my slave HDD?
[11:44] <nalioth> Inf3ctedfx: read the file ubotu pointed you to
[11:44] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: did you read what the bot said?
[11:44] <xukun> I,m getting the warning "Show Deskop" has quit unexpectedly. I can choose "Don't reload or reload"
[11:44] <desplesda> you guys know if it's possible to get the update manager to limit its download rate?
[11:44] <Inf3ctedfx> I'm reading that bob2
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: run it under trickle
[11:45] <Inf3ctedfx> but it wont help me at all that document
[11:45] <Java_the_Hutt> but what osfameron wants is to use linux as his daily routine, he might not want to be a rocket scientst for a god damn lid button
[11:45] <osfameron> can't see gnome-power-manager in synaptic, I'll google for it later, thanks &
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: (or run apt or aptitude or synaptic under it)
[11:45] <desplesda> bob2:  trickle being a package?
[11:45] <bob2> osfameron: breezy
[11:45] <bob2> desplesda: yes
[11:45] <desplesda> bob2:  thanks
[11:45] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: yes, ubuntu is not ready for those people yet
[11:45] <osfameron> bob2: but it's getting very close :-)
[11:45] <Java_the_Hutt> there's a better reason for that
[11:45] <osfameron> I'd say it's pretty much ready for a desktop
[11:46] <osfameron> and just really not there yet for laptop
[11:46] <Java_the_Hutt> current multimedia support out of box!!
[11:46] <xukun> is there some kind  of howto for installing all the multimedia staff for Breezy?
[11:46] <Java_the_Hutt> no average user would use Ubuntu because of that
[11:46] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: that's your responsibility
[11:46] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ubuntu cannot change the laws in your country, sorry
[11:46] <bob2> xukun: /msg ubotu restricted
[11:46] <nalioth> xukun: read your ubotu msg
[11:47] <ghostdog> is Breezy any good ?
[11:47] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, laws ?
[11:48] <nalioth> ghostdog: of course it is
[11:48] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ubuntu cannot ship divx or mp3 mpeg or etc support because various countries forbid it
[11:48] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, this has nothing to do with laws. My country - Turkey - isn't interested with software patents at all. But for example i am still unable to run VCD's with my computer here
[11:49] <Magilla_> watching quicktime movies on totem is very unpleasant - very jerky.  Anyone know why this would be?
[11:49] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: I'm pretty sure the mp3 patent is valid in turkey nonetheless
[11:49] <athlon> Java_the_Hutt, lowest common denominator in law
[11:49] <Java_the_Hutt> see
[11:49] <nalioth> Magilla_: newer version of qt then linux supports?
[11:49] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: and there's nothing stopping you making your own version of ubuntu that includes things that you think are legel in turkey
[11:49] <Java_the_Hutt> lol :)
[11:50] <Inf3ctedfx> Seveas: do u remeber how can i access to my slave HDD? from linux?
[11:50] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: dude
[11:50] <Java_the_Hutt> Ubuntu, Java_the_Hutt versiyon (in Turkish) lol
[11:50] <Magilla_> nalioth: I was thinking drivers, but it could be...
[11:50] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: read. what. the. bot. says.
[11:50] <Inf3ctedfx> bob2: bot said anything
[11:50] <osfameron> I've never understood why you can't reverse engineer something that will play .mp3 format.  How can the format itself be patented?  Oh well...
[11:51] <athlon> cos Fraunhofer created it, so its their proprietary format ?
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> and i'm not really good on linux
[11:51] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: then ask it again
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> how can i ask it?
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> EU has rejected the software patents recently  hasn't they ?
[11:51] <nalioth> Inf3ctedfx: the bot sent you a link. follow it and read it
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> hasn't it
[11:51] <shai__> errr... who should I talk to about being banned from this channel for now reason?
[11:51] <elwood> hi all
[11:51] <bob2> osfameron: fraunhoffer claims that any implementation of an mp3 encoder or decoder violates their (effectively) maths patents
[11:51] <Inf3ctedfx> I didnt see it can I get it again?
[11:51] <Java_the_Hutt> shai__, me too!
[11:51] <bob2> osfameron: there's lots of Free software that can do it, it's just that using it or distributing it can violate the patent
[11:51] <nalioth> shai__: ask your question
[11:51] <bob2> !tell Inf3ctedfx about ntfs
[11:52] <shai__> a fried of mine woke up this morning to find out that he's banned
[11:52] <elwood> i have strange net problem with ubuntu...someone have 5 min of his time?
[11:52] <osfameron> ah, because of the compression technology involved
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> nalioth, some people banned from this channel for no reason
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> including me
[11:52] <athlon> EU  reject soft patents as a whole, but most of its member country have their own patent / copyright laws
[11:52] <Java_the_Hutt> Suse guys hacked this channel!  lol
[11:53] <nalioth> shai__: was your friend drunk or of nasty disposition?
[11:53] <Magilla_> reverse-engineering is illegal in most western countries
[11:53] <shai__> nope
[11:53] <bob2> Magilla_: not strictly true
[11:53] <Java_the_Hutt> nalioth, don't say that, happened to me too
[11:53] <shai__> he was upgrading his system all night long
[11:53] <bob2> most explicitly allow it for interoperability
[11:53] <shai__> and when he woke up in the morning he was banned
[11:53] <bob2> even the us
[11:53] <Inf3ctedfx> bob2: it said: Your windows and mac partitions will now be mounted everytime   I dont have  Mac
[11:53] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: ...
[11:53] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: then ignore it
[11:54] <Java_the_Hutt> How can i fasten my boot up process especially "Configuring network interfaces" ?
[11:54] <bob2> fix your network config
[11:54] <Inf3ctedfx> alright
[11:54] <bob2> that stage only takes a long time if your dhcp server is crap or unavailable
[11:54] <djp> hi. can anyone tell me if it is a known issue with the default music player (rhythmbox), to cut off the end of a track, if that track normally blends into the next? for example, Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds is a good example. tracks fade into the next and the album is pretty continuous, however under rhythmbox, tracks end abruptly and the next track then begins...
[11:54] <elwood> i configured the net but when i do an apt-get upgrade the box lose all the setting of router and eth0...
[11:54] <Inf3ctedfx> there is any other document will help me to mount my HDD??
[11:54] <Magilla_> is it safe to install the linux drivers supplied by nvidia on ubuntu?
[11:55] <nalioth> shai__: are you sure he was banned or just not able to join for another reason?
[11:55] <osfameron> yeah, booting up offline always takes a while
[11:55] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: dude
[11:55] <shai__> yep
[11:55] <bob2> Magilla_: why not use the ones in ubuntu?
[11:55] <bob2> Inf3ctedfx: just do what the bot said
[11:55] <nalioth> Java_the_Hutt: shai__: this channel is locked down sporadically to preven spambot interference
[11:55] <shai__> unless the line "can't join #ubuntu (banned)" does'nt seem unambiguous to you
[11:55] <Magilla_> bob2: they don't stay current forever...
[11:55] <b-movie> the network configuration tool of gnome is buggy. better look at /etc/network
[11:55] <shai__> he can't join as we speak
[11:56] <nalioth> shai__: most bans are lifted every 24 hours (unless you've done something VERY nasty, in which case, the ban may stay a while)
[11:56] <Magilla_> damn, I'm going to be late for volleyball
[11:56] <Magilla_> again
[11:56] <Magilla_> bye, and thanks all!!
[11:57] <b-movie> and delete the "interfaces~". on my pc it was keeping the wrong values
[11:57] <shai__> nalioth, could you please just unban him? His nickname is H0lyD4wg, and he's online rigt now so you can get all the details you need
[11:57] <Seveas> hmm, did we ban holyd4wg?
[11:57] <Seveas> probably a spambot-ban-victim
[11:58] <nalioth> shai__: he doesnt show banned under his current info
[11:58] <bob2> he/she does not appear to be banned
[11:58] <bob2> recently, anyway
[11:58] <osfameron> there doesn't seem to be an acpi event for "Oh, crap, I'm about to run out of juice!"
[11:59] <shai__> I asked him to try again, he said "12:58 -!- Cannot join to channel #ubuntu (You are banned)"
[11:59] <bob2> osfameron: yeah, which is odd
[11:59] <shai__> here we go :)
[11:59] <shai__> thanks, bye
[12:01] <nalioth> i do not like this random nick changing behavior
[12:01] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2 fixing of my network config ?
[12:01] <nalioth> it has been goin on for a while today
[12:01] <bob2> so
[12:01] <bob2> I really hate that "almost a question" thing
[12:01] <chrissturm> guys, whats a good gnome app that converts from a dvd to mpeg4?
[12:01] <nalioth> chrissturm: dvdrip
[12:01] <bob2> a) don't direct questions directly to me, b) ask an actual question
[12:01] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, ok sorry
[12:02] <b-movie> Java_the_Hutt: look at /etc/network , dont use the gnome-tool
[12:02] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2,typically what should i do to configure my network to overcome such problems
[12:02] <xukun> anybody know if the ubuntuaddon.zip will also work for Breezy?
[12:02] <Java_the_Hutt> b-movie, ok thx
[12:02] <thenuke> hmm what is ubuntuaddon.zip
[12:02] <Seveas> xukun, it will not
[12:02] <srv4nt> just got mplayer installed, video works but audio doesnt.  system audio works fine, what mite the problem be?
[12:02] <Seveas> just like it does not work on hoary
[12:03] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: if you're not going to be plugged in at boot, don't have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:03] <bob2> srv4nt: pkill esd, try ahain
[12:03] <b-movie> Java_the_hutt: on my system there were 2 files: "interfaces" and "interfaces~". the second had wrong values, i deleted it and then it worked
[12:03] <xukun> Seveas, it doesn't
[12:03] <xukun> ?
[12:03] <srv4nt> what was that bob2?
[12:04] <bob2> a suggestion
[12:04] <srv4nt> translate plz
[12:04] <Java_the_Hutt> b-movie, bob ok thx
[12:04] <locomorto> Out of curisoity does anyone know where the lkl package in the repository places its keymaps files?
[12:04] <bob2> b-movie: editing blah~ will not help
[12:04] <locomorto> I compilied my own copy, but it would be nice to know for future reference
[12:04] <dealt> hello
[12:04] <bob2> srv4nt: ...
[12:04] <bob2> srv4nt: "pkill esd" is a command to run
[12:05] <b-movie> but deleting ;-)
[12:05] <srv4nt> ookay
[12:05] <dealt> is there a log file for apt that i can monitor?
[12:05] <Seveas> locomorto, dpkg -L lkl
[12:05] <locomorto> Seveas: thx
[12:05] <bob2> dealt: no
[12:05] <maradong> dealt, if you are using aptitude, I think that it keeps a log somewhere
[12:05] <maradong> dealt, i am not sure though
[12:05] <bob2> dealt: that's actually reason #4553 why you should use aptitude instead of apt-get
[12:05] <Seveas> /var/log/aptitude maradong ;)
[12:06] <az[a] zel> hey does the evolution "Junk" button actually do anything other than move it to the junk folder? (i.e., does it learn what's spam and autodetect it)
[12:06] <dealt> bobt: i guess i'll have to goole aptitude, thanks :)
[12:06] <maradong> Seveas, thanks ;-) It's like the most obvious place to look for, right? :)
[12:06] <dealt> s/bobt/bob2
[12:06] <bob2> dealt: it's already installed
[12:06] <Seveas> az[a] zel, only if you install spamassasin
[12:06] <Seveas> maradong, sort of
[12:06] <maradong> Seveas, :)
[12:06] <hyper> l
[12:06] <Seveas> m
[12:07] <talios> anyone done dvd ripping on ubuntu?  what package provides subtitle2vobsub?
[12:07] <az[a] zel> Seveas, will it automatically pick up spamassassin? Or is some complicated configuration required? :D
[12:07] <hyper> Hello, I have troubles installing my nvidia card on Breezy, somebody could help me?
[12:07] <talios> n/m
[12:07] <Seveas> az[a] zel, all autmoagically
[12:07] <Seveas> subtitleripper: usr/bin/subtitle2vobsub
[12:08] <creart> Hi all. How do i remove write protection on a usb harddisc ??
[12:08] <Seveas> creart, probably it has some sort of write protection switch
[12:08] <Seveas> or an ntfs filesystem in which case the answer is: you can't
[12:09] <creart> darn... then thats it
[12:09] <hyper> Hello, I have troubles installing my nvidia card on Breezy, somebody could help me?
[12:09] <Seveas> !nvidia
[12:09] <ubotu> methinks nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:09] <creart> so i have to format the harddrive to use my HD?
[12:09] <nalioth> creart: if you want to write to it
[12:09] <H0lyD4wg> Gtk and Firefox use Cairo for font rendering on Breezy, right?
[12:09] <Seveas> if you want to write to it from linux either do that or buy the paragon ntfs driver
[12:10] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, what do you mean by "pluggin in at the boot"
[12:10] <creart> k... thx
[12:11] <bob2> Java_the_Hutt: ethernet
[12:11] <bob2> anyway, whatever, good luck
[12:11] <hyper> well my problem is I dont have linux-restricted-modules installed, cant install them thru Synaptic because they are just not avaible
[12:11] <Java_the_Hutt> bob2, i usually use my wireless and i am not pluggin in anything
[12:12] <Java_the_Hutt> neah
[12:12] <locomorto> hyper: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-nvidia
[12:12] <Seveas> hyper, enable the 'restricted' section then
[12:13] <locomorto> Can ubuntu do WPA-SPK?
[12:13] <Seveas> and simply install linux-686 (intel) linux-k7 (amd) or linux-ppc (apple)
[12:13] <Seveas> locomorto, yes, but it's not easy
[12:13] <hyper> how can I do that? enable restricted section
[12:13] <locomorto> Seveas are there any plans to add it?
[12:13] <locomorto> Seveas using WEP and MAC filtering is very weak
[12:13] <[LethAL] > Wow... the guys in #fedora are retards
[12:14] <Seveas> locomorto, plans enough but no code
[12:14] <locomorto> lol

[12:14] <Seveas> [LethAL] , they use fedora, what did you expect....
[12:14] <[LethAL] > I'm using at the moment, but I'm still helping people here ;)
[12:14] <locomorto> fedora is the place where all the bad sides of the linux community seems to collect
[12:15] <hyper> after doing sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-nvidia
[12:15] <hyper> , that file couldnt be found
[12:15] <maradong> [LethAL] , so, what makes you say they are retards? On what point can you fix your argumentation ;-)
[12:15] <nalioth> fedora stories work best in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:15] <maradong> locomorto, hey, what about gentoo :) after all they are the cause of the global warming, not those poor cars :p
[12:15] <locomorto> hyper: enable the restricted repos
[12:15] <locomorto> maradong: lol
[12:15] <maradong> nalioth, you're right ;-)
[12:16] <hyper> locomorto, how do I do that?
[12:16] <b-movie> locormoto: synaptic, "wpasupplicant"
[12:16] <locomorto> b-movie: thx
[12:17] <locomorto> hyper
[12:17] <locomorto> !repositories
[12:17] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:17] <dave> Hi all, ive just started to muck around with ubuntu been a madrake user for a few years but still see myself as a newbie. i need some guidance regarding my inability to see my ms drives please
[12:17] <nalioth> !tell dave about ntfs
[12:18] <dave> thanks
[12:18] <nalioth> Seveas: see what i mean about the random nickchange spambots?
[12:19] <Seveas> dave: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:19] <Seveas> nalioth, yes
[12:19] <locomorto> Seveas: already done ;)
[12:19] <nalioth> somebody is up to no good
[12:19] <ghostdog> does any1 know how to create a bot on IRC for evil reasons heheheh
[12:19] <Seveas> ghostdog, no
[12:19] <apsync> :/
[12:19] <nalioth> ghostdog: sure thing, /msg ubotu help
[12:19] <KillerKiwi2005> is it possible to turn the thumbnails frame off for a mimetype ?
[12:19] <[LethAL] > ghostdog, try sudo apt-get install blootbot ;)
[12:20] <[LethAL] > ghostdog, ubotu = blootbot
[12:20] <Seveas> KillerKiwi2005, don't want pr0n thumbnails heh? ;)
[12:20] <[LethAL] > LOL
[12:20] <locomorto> The one thing I hate about wireless security is that it is fools gold
[12:20] <KillerKiwi2005> Seveas, :) no got frames around images with transparent backgrounds looks naff
[12:21] <[LethAL] > locomorto, Get my router, it hides itself (no, not the SSID, itself) from scans
[12:21] <Seveas> wireless security is an oxymoron
[12:21] <clem_yeats> Hi, is there a web page that explains the codenames of Ubuntu releases ??
[12:21] <er4z0r> Seveas: do you have any plans to move your repository of freenx to a server with better availability?
[12:21] <osfameron> weird, nautilus can't get access to my default keyring
[12:22] <Seveas> er4z0r, yes
[12:22] <osfameron> and isn't accepting my normal password for it
[12:22] <locomorto> [LethAL]  So kismet can't see it O.o
[12:22] <Seveas> but I'm figuring out how to rsync it :)
[12:22] <locomorto> [LethAL]  what router
[12:22] <[LethAL] > locomorto, WMR-G54
[12:22] <nalioth> er4z0r: plans are in the works
[12:23] <er4z0r> ok, thank you for your work
[12:23] <angelus1969> I have installed 5.04 on an AMD 64, it installed properly, but if I reboot, I see GRUB and a flickering cursor and then nothing
[12:24] <bong> hi
[12:24] <ColonelKernel> +r is registered users only, right?
[12:24] <Seveas> yes
[12:24] <nalioth> ColonelKernel: correct
[12:24] <nalioth> it's about time for the daily bot swarm
[12:25] <er4z0r> nalioth: ?
[12:25] <hyper> ok did the repos... thing, but still cant find the proper linux-restricted-modules for my kernel version (<IP_ADDRESS>))
[12:25] <lesshaste> anyone know of plans relating to releasing a 64 bit firefox for linux?
[12:25] <lesshaste> or why it can't be done?
[12:25] <er4z0r> nalioth: having troll-bots in here?
[12:25] <Seveas> there is no <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <Seveas> it's 2.6.12-8
[12:25] <nalioth> er4z0r: you'll need to identify to nickserv if you want to come back in the immediate future
[12:25] <Seveas> (yes, that is a big difference
[12:25] <Seveas> )
[12:25] <hyper> true
[12:25] <hyper> failed in -
[12:25] <ColonelKernel> Linux p4ht 2.6.12-8.13 #1 SMP Mon Sep 19 14:31:40 PDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:26] <nalioth> er4z0r: yes, there has been a major spambot incursion the last few weeks
[12:26] <nalioth> hyper: type /msg nickserv help and identify yourself
[12:26] <angelus1969> I have successfully installed 5.04 x64 on an AMD64, but now it won't boot, it goes to the GRUB and then a flickering cursor and the system hangs
[12:26] <angelus1969> anyone any ideas?
[12:27] <nalioth> angelus1969: the liveCD work?
[12:27] <Buddha|> I am interested in installing Ubuntu on a 2004 iBook.  Does anyone know of any problems/hardware not supported/etc.?
[12:27] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes the live cd works
[12:27] <nalioth> Buddha|: only the airport extreme
[12:28] <Buddha|> nalioth - that doesn't work?
[12:28] <nalioth> Buddha|: but that is not limited to apple. it's a broadcom issue
[12:28] <nalioth> Buddha|: everything works except APX
[12:28] <Seveas> broadcom is 't4h 3v1L'
[12:29] <[LethAL] > My router is broadcom-based
[12:29] <[LethAL] > And has USB
[12:29] <[LethAL] > EVIL!
[12:29] <Seveas> asus?
[12:29] <Seveas> or linksys?
[12:29] <nalioth> angelus1969: does grub hand off control to the kernel?
[12:29] <locomorto> Buffalo
[12:29] <[LethAL] > Buffalo ;)
[12:29] <jc-denton> anybody here into swsuspend?
[12:29] <angelus1969> nalioth, can you explain that please? :)
[12:30] <[LethAL] > Seveas, I don't think he wants it
[12:30] <Seveas> hmm, a nucket may be more useful
[12:30] <Seveas> bucket*
[12:30] <siimo> anyone using gnome 2.12? every once in a while i click on the gnome menu and also when my system first boots into gnome it seems to want to connect to my sftp bookmark i have in nautilus - why would it want to do this?
[12:30] <locomorto> I am
[12:30] <nalioth> angelus1969: grub is a bootloader. it accepts machine control from the bios and hands off control to the operating system kernel it has been told to
[12:31] <[LethAL] > So am I, afaik
[12:31] <[LethAL] > :P
[12:31] <ColonelKernel> hmph - firefox is now taking an awfully long time to start
[12:31] <angelus1969> nalioth, yes I understand that
[12:31] <ColonelKernel> I didnt do a damn thing to it either
[12:31] <angelus1969> nalioth, but how can I check what you asked me :)
[12:31] <nalioth> angelus1969: if grub is handing off to the kernel, it is a kernel issue
[12:32] <[LethAL] > Does anyone know why I get loads of "sed: Unsupported Command: I"'s when I boot? Might it be that which is stopping USplash from working?
[12:32] <nalioth> angelus1969: if grub is malfunctioning, it's a grub issue
[12:32] <angelus1969> nalioth, how can I tell?
[12:32] <nalioth> angelus1969: the only way i know is this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[12:32] <Seveas> angelus1969, does it say 'Uncompressing linux, ok... booting the kernel'
[12:32] <angelus1969> nalioth, noooooo, it doesn't get that far
[12:32] <angelus1969> it's just the first word from the first line, GRUB
[12:33] <Seveas> that's a grub issue
[12:33] <nalioth> ah
[12:33] <Seveas> reinstall grub per the wiki instructions
[12:33] <nalioth> angelus1969: follow the URL i sent
[12:33] <clem_yeats> any idea about Ubuntu codenames ??
[12:33] <nalioth> clem_yeats: Stinky Skunk is down the road a ways
[12:33] <enyc> clem: I dont know what you mean
[12:33] <angelus1969> nalioth, but there has never been windows on this system
[12:34] <angelus1969> only other linux'es
[12:34] <nalioth> angelus1969: the instructions will repair your grub
[12:34] <clem_yeats> I mean, is there some explanations about the Ubuntu releases codenames ? (Warty, Hoary ...etc)
[12:34] <zxsykco> Gray or white with or as if with age...
[12:34] <angelus1969> nalioth, ah okay, will try
[12:34] <nalioth> angelus1969: sometimes it doesnt take windows to bodger a perfectly good machine
[12:34] <Seveas> clem_yeats, there is somewhere deep down in the mailinglist archive
[12:35] <nalioth> clem_yeats: ultimately, they come from Mr. Shuttlesworth
[12:35] <freeza> im trying to compile a vanilla kernel.org kernel, 2.6.13 but i am getting a kernel panic cannot load vfs root error after the compile
[12:36] <Seveas> freeza, correct your initrd/initramfs to include the modules you need or compile them into our kernel.
[12:37] <angelus1969> nalioth, I thought those occasions were very rare ;)
[12:38] <freeza> ohh
[12:38] <freeza> how do i exactly go about doing that?
[12:38] <Seveas> read the kernel compilation manual...
[12:38] <Myk3> go fuck ur self
[12:39] <freeza> i have the kernel comp howto
[12:39] <Live> hello~
[12:39] <nalioth> Seveas: i love lag
[12:39] <Live> How use root account at Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:39] <Seveas> Live, not
[12:39] <nalioth> !tell Live about root
[12:39] <Seveas> you shouldn't need it
[12:39] <Seveas> and when you need root provoleges, use sudo
[12:40] <bigfoot1> hello
[12:40] <vladuz976> why do debian ppl always talk bad about ubuntu?
[12:40] <Seveas> vladuz976, ask them...
[12:40] <locomorto> because we stole the userbase
[12:40] <locomorto> well not really
[12:40] <Live> I use sudo, but it need password ^
[12:40] <thoreauputic> vladuz976: they don't all, you know
[12:40] <nalioth> vladuz976: but wear a firesuit when you do
[12:41] <locomorto> We just made something that was exciting
[12:41] <bigfoot1> Does anybody know a good media player for streaming audio? My goal is to able to control playback (pause, go back, go forward).
[12:41] <vladuz976> Seveas, i did, but didn't get a good answer
[12:41] <nalioth> Live: your  user password is what it wants
[12:41] <Seveas> vladuz976, then they don't have a good answer :)
[12:41] <locomorto> !tell Live about sudo
[12:41] <bigfoot1> streaming audio = streaming wma, real audio stream, etc
[12:41] <savanna_cat> i all
[12:41] <savanna_cat> hi all
[12:41] <nalioth> howdy
[12:41] <b-movie> bigfoot1: vlc
[12:42] <Seveas> forward/back/pause goes against the concept of streaming...
[12:42] <vladuz976> Seveas, they said it's better, and i said, i haven't had any trouble with it yet, so no reason to change
[12:42] <savanna_cat> On Redhat boxes, network drivers are aliased using /etc/modprobe.conf eg alias eth0 tulip Where's the equivalent on Ubuntu?
[12:42] <bigfoot1> b-movie, thank you. I have that. How do I get the webbrowser ( i use galeon) to open streaming audio to VLC?
[12:42] <savanna_cat> It's not in /etc/modules or
[12:42] <savanna_cat> /etc/modprobe.d/*
[12:43] <bigfoot1> Seveas, I think streaming audio is all about not needing to download the whole audio file for playback. I think also it's used for stuff that the transmitter doesn't want others to copy.
[12:43] <b-movie> bigfoot1: for gaeon i dont know. for firefox there is a alc-plugin. perhaps it works on all geckos
[12:44] <Seveas> savanna_cat, it should be in /etc/modprobe.d/*
[12:44] <ompaul> a happy Tuesday to you all
[12:44] <nalioth> bigfoot1: edit your mimetypes
[12:44] <b-movie> bigfoot1: vlc-plugin of course :-)
[12:44] <Seveas> hi mr. O'malley
[12:45] <bigfoot1> nalioth, how do i edit mimetypes
[12:45] <bigfoot1> ?
[12:45] <Live> eh..what the default root password ? if it saved...
[12:45] <Seveas> there is none...
[12:46] <Myrtti> !root
[12:46] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[12:46] <Seveas> read the wikipage someone gave you
[12:46] <larsrohdin> Hi, Im just trying the firewall firestarter, and I was wondering one thing. If i start it and then close it, is it still active?
[12:46] <Myrtti> yes
[12:46] <Seveas> larsrohdin, yes
[12:46] <Seveas> it is started during boot
[12:46] <nalioth> bigfoot1: i'm not sure on the proper procedure, did someone mention the vlc-plugin?
[12:46] <Seveas> the gui is merely a fronend to change the rules
[12:46] <bigfoot1> how do i do vlc-plugin for galeon?
[12:46] <savanna_cat> seveas, thanks. But a grep eth * doesn't turn up anything (??)
[12:46] <larsrohdin> ok thanks, because I couldn't see it anywhere... ok, then I know. Is it any good?
[12:47] <Myrtti> savanna_cat: prolly because its eth0?
[12:47] <ompaul> Seveas, less of the Mr :)
[12:47] <thoreauputic> larsrohdin: seems to work well, yes
[12:47] <[A] ndy80> hi
[12:47] <ce_liar> adelivia
[12:47] <savanna_cat> myrtti: then grep eth0 * would've turned it up :)
[12:47] <[A] ndy80> how can I set the Sun JDK /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/bin/java as default Java VM on my Ubuntu?
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you dont
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you dont need to
[12:48] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: andy80@ubuntu:~$ /usr/bin/java --version
[12:48] <[A] ndy80> java version "1.4.2"
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: the java VM is the JRE not the JDK
[12:48] <savanna_cat> andy80: wiki shows you how to install java - would that help?
[12:48] <nalioth> bigfoot1: is it not available in the repos?
[12:48] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: you need to install the 1.5 JRE
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: I need SDK not JRE
[12:49] <ompaul> !msg ubotu java
[12:49] <ubotu> ompaul: Are you on ritalin?
[12:49] <bulletino> hi all
[12:49] <Seveas> [A] ndy80, if you install it properly, then sudo update-alternatives java
[12:49] <Myrtti> gosh I hate sql
[12:49] <ompaul> hehe
[12:49] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: If you want the JDK you need the JRE as well
[12:49] <bigfoot1> nalioth, i haven't checked. How do i search repos using terminal?
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> I've both
[12:49] <ompaul> Myrtti, it is not that bad, it seems like it
[12:49] <savanna_cat> myrtti: sql is the one try language </religion>
[12:49] <Seveas> DELETE FROM #sql WHERE nick = 'Myrtti'
[12:49] <Seveas> ;)
[12:49] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: Installing the JDK does nto install the JRE
[12:49] <nalioth> bigfoot1: "apt-cache search vlc"
[12:49] <bigfoot1> nalioth, thanks.
[12:49] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: I've both: jre and sdk
[12:49] <Myrtti> actually I do like it, but right now I'm too tired to understand the logic
[12:50] <hyper22> I got this file linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-8-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-3_i386.deb since I cant install it with synaptic, now what I should do next to install it?
[12:50] <Seveas> Myrtti, and it's so easy ;)
[12:50] <Nameeater_> that guy with the X font problems still here?
[12:50] <locomorto> [A] ndy80: Did you install the 1.5 JRE though?
[12:50] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: yes
[12:50] <bigfoot1> nalioth,  is what I'm looking for this: "mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for Mozilla based on VLC"
[12:50] <[A] ndy80> locomorto: using Synaptic
[12:50] <nalioth> bigfoot1: that is the critter you're lookin for