[00:00] <DalekSec> That's me!  Mostly.
[00:01] <fuze> possible to upgrade directly from 18.04 to 19.04 or do i have to go to 18.10 first?
[00:03] <tomreyn> fuze: whats being offered when you try to upgrade?
[00:03] <fuze> tomreyn: I havent tried yet
 fuze, you can only skip from one LTS to another. Since 19.04 is not an LTS release, you will need to upgrade to 18.10.
[00:04] <tomreyn> so, give it a try.
[00:04] <fuze> can i go from 1810 to 1904?
[00:04] <lilith__> I haven't been on irc for a very long time
[00:05] <fuze> authenticate 'disco.tar.gz' against 'disco.tar.gz.gpg'
[00:05] <fuze> I thought disco was 19.04
 If /home is on it's own partition,  I recommend waiting a few weeks and direct install 19.10
[00:05] <tomreyn> !disco
[00:06] <fuze> oo thank u it comes out October 17
[00:06] <fuze> cant wait!
[00:06] <tomreyn> that'd be eoan
[00:06] <fuze> I'll wait though so i dont risk nuking my pc
[00:06] <tomreyn> !eoan
[00:07] <lilith__> I don't remeber how to switch servers
[00:07] <tomreyn> !irc | lilith__
[00:08] <tomreyn> !irchelp
 sudo software-properties-qt
[00:08] <tomreyn> !freenode | lilith__
 Use the "Downlaod from" dropdown on the Ubuntu Software tab.
[00:09] <lilith__> is undernet still around
[00:10] <Unit193> https://netsplit.de/servers/?net=Undernet seems so.
[01:44] <van_> 1
[06:21] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:57] <pragomer> hi, can I define a shortcut to hide and show plasma's panel?
[15:05] <OerHeks> bye github, hello gitlab
[15:05] <OerHeks> https://about.gitlab.com/press/releases/2019-09-17-gitlab-adopted-by-KDE.html
[15:09] <lordievader> OerHeks: It is a replacement for phabricator right, not github?
[15:11] <OerHeks> not sure, i thought it is just an advise..
[15:32] <arran-malt> Hello
[15:32] <arran-malt> Hoe can I teach kubuntu 18.04 to speak German?
[16:59] <fuze> Is there a way for me to patch this bug in my system? kubnutu 18.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271019
 @RikMills I just learned that Kubuntu is basically you plus 3 people! My mind is blown!
 How can such a great distro be done by just 4 people!
 Amazing job!!!
 @arran-malt, Select it in the installation dialog.
 @Linuxophil, That's amazing
 Yes. I owe Rik and the team many drinks if I ever meet them.
[21:35] <swift110> oh ok
 @Linuxophil, Most of the flavours are quite small core teams to be honest
 @RikMills, Yet it feels really weird! How can I support you guys? I cannot code.
 @Linuxophil, Help QA test? Answers questions on forums/askubuntu/reddit etc?
 Oh, and my coding is for 💩
 @RikMills, Come on! The product of your coding is my only OS!
 @RikMills, The only weird thing I experienced so far is trying to install virtualbox  additions via driver manager on 19.04. Trashed the whole system again and again.
 @Linuxophil, There is coding and there is packaging. Not the same thing. My C++ and python is really not great.
 Else wonderful work! Thank you sp much!!!
 Nice to hear :)
 Does not matter! The product is wonderful!
 'standing on the shoulders of giants' is a very apt phrase here


[01:59] <ajalkane> akiva-thinkpad: sorry, have been kinda away
[01:59] <akiva-thinkpad> ajalkane, np
[02:00]  * akiva-thinkpad is working on a xkb tutorial
[06:59] <zubozrout> Hello everyone. Could you please give me some advice regarding Qt3D. I've been trying to develop an application using Qml 3D, but although it runs just fine in the SDK, it crashes on the real device: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541987/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-2-0-crashes-on-start Thank you very much for your help.
[07:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <bmatusiak> any way to get around " Error: Error opening shm "  for html5 app?
[08:27] <bmatusiak> i dont even know if thats the issue
[08:35] <bmatusiak> anybody know why html5 apps on built on ububtu-sdk dont work?
[09:08] <dpm> good morning all
[09:12] <bmatusiak> gm
[09:13] <dpm> hi bmatusiak
[09:13] <bmatusiak> hi :P
[09:14] <bmatusiak> ive been trying to debug a app on my nexus 4 and its just not loading
[09:14]  * bmatusiak is frustrated
[09:36] <dpm> bmatusiak, let us know if anyone on the channel can help, but I think we'd need some more details
[09:45] <bmatusiak> k let me get a log on pastebin
[09:53] <bmatusiak> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CzLWGsSS
[09:55] <bmatusiak> its a new html5 app project
[09:55] <Jimit_> name of app ?
[09:56] <bmatusiak> html5
[09:56] <bmatusiak> lol
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy 110th birthday to the New York City subway! :-D
[10:15] <bmatusiak> so i guess im running into a "ubuntu-html5-app-launcher" issue
[13:08] <karni> mhall119: dpm: This module is broken (indicates online true, when device is disconnected) -- where should I report? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Connectivity/
[13:10] <DanChapman> karni, i've been having the same issue. You should file against indicator-network
[13:10] <DanChapman> https://launchpad.net/indicator-network
[13:10] <karni> DanChapman: thank you
[13:11] <dpm> ok, thanks DanChapman!
[13:11] <DanChapman> karni: seems it's just been filed 1386109
[13:12] <DanChapman> bug 1386109
[13:12] <karni> DanChapman: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1386109
[13:12] <karni> ha, right :)
[13:42] <dpm> ajalkane, good work with the file manager new header. Sorry I didn't have much time to spend on looking at the designs, but after having tested the branch now, it looks really good
[13:50] <ajalkane> dpm: good to hear. I'm really happy how it turned out. Akiva did some great work on it too, the scrollable path bar is his creation
[13:50] <dpm> ajalkane, I love the scrolling bar, yeah
[13:51] <dpm> ajalkane, I'll be filing a few small bugs after usage, but I think it looks fantastic
[13:53] <ajalkane> dpm: please do
[14:02] <dpm> ajalkane, here you go -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bugs?field.tag=new-header
[14:03] <ajalkane> hah... good old purple header. I have no idea how to get rid of that
[14:15] <popey> ajalkane: how was your flight back?
[14:16] <ajalkane> popey: went well, slept most of the time ;). You?
[14:17] <popey> very well, didnt sleeep ☻
[14:17] <popey> recovered on the weekend
[14:18] <ajalkane> heh... yeah I'm feeling like it's night right now. Woke up at 2am last night and couldn't sleep. ETA of recovery: wednesday
[14:27] <dpm> :-)
[14:39] <ahayzen> popey, did you guys have a meeting earlier?
[14:41] <dholbach> ahayzen, I think popey has a day off today
[14:41] <ahayzen> dholbach, thanks :)
[14:49] <dpm> hey ahayzen, got home back allright?
[14:50] <ahayzen> dpm, yeah i got back fine thanks :) how was your trip?
[14:50] <dpm> ahayzen, glad to hear that. Good too, uneventful :)
[14:51] <ahayzen> dpm, \o/ me and victor are just landing what is hopefully gonna be the last few mps against the remix until it is ready (yn)
[14:51] <dpm> \o/
[14:51] <dpm> awesome
[14:52] <ahayzen> dpm, we were discussing last night what to work on next and there wasn't really anything other than the stuff we are waiting on design for
[14:55] <dpm> ahayzen, ok, I think one thing will be to align the scope and music apps (as per the discussions last week, not sure we can share any data, but we can perhaps look at consistence - e.g. artist artwork to be the same, etc). What designs are you waiting for atm?
[14:55] <ahayzen> dpm, we are both now sourcing the album art from the same service so they should be exactly the same
[14:55] <ahayzen> dpm, we are waiting for designs on a few minor things there is a list somewhere.... eg dialogs
[14:56] <ahayzen> dpm, but yes i agree that we should look at bringing the designs of scope/app as close as possible
[14:57] <popey> hey ahayzen
[14:57] <dpm> ahayzen, ack. If you could find out where that list of missing designs is, I can ask design to take a look at them
[14:57] <ahayzen> popey, o/
[14:57] <popey> AIUI jouni is on vacation
[14:57] <popey> we can speak to john in our meeting tomorrow
[14:58] <popey> but feel free to ping jouni mails in the meantime.
[14:58] <ahayzen> cool ... most of them aren't that important so don't think they should block us attempting to start the process of landing remix when it is ready...they are more nice to have things
[14:58] <popey> not sure when he's back
[14:58] <popey> right
[14:58] <ahayzen> Victor> "Playlist dialogs, empty state pages, walkthrough pages"
[14:59] <ahayzen> popey, dpm basically the TODO work items for jouni + a walkthrough (although that has lower priority than the work items)
[15:00] <ahayzen> basically we need... [jounihelminen] Provide designs for empty state no music: TODO
[15:00] <ahayzen> [jounihelminen] Provide designs for empty state no recent: TODO
[15:00] <ahayzen> [jounihelminen] Designs for Add/Edit/Delete playlists dialogues: TODO
[15:00] <ahayzen> ..and i guess empty state no playlists as well
[15:02] <dpm> ok, thanks ahayzen, I moved jouni's TODOs to this week and added one for walkthrough
[15:02] <dpm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/music-app/+spec/music-remix-2.0
[15:02] <dpm> will add empty state no playlists too
[15:02] <ahayzen> dpm, cool i'll go through them all in a minute and double check as some of them may have been done at the sprint eg [jounihelminen] Designs for AddToPlaylist picker: TODO
[15:03] <dpm> thanks ahayzen!
[15:03] <ahayzen> dpm, let me know when you have stopped editing the blueprint so we don't cause chaos ;)
[15:03] <dpm> ahayzen, done :)
[15:04] <ahayzen> \o/
[15:38] <Coa> hello
[15:38] <Coa> Is this the right channel to talk about Ubuntu Touch apps?
[15:40] <daker> Coa: yes
[15:42] <Coa> Just testing them out, the message you get when you use Hint option too much in Sudoku App is hilarious.
[16:42] <brendand> ahayzen, i assume you fixed the Repeat function in the revamped music app?
[17:12] <ahayzen> brendand, what was broken with it?
[17:13] <brendand> ahayzen, everything - afaict
[17:13] <popey> bug number?
[17:14] <ahayzen> hah brendand any steps ?
[17:14]  * ahayzen pretends that shuffle works perfectly
[17:14] <brendand> ahayzen, not Shuffle - repeat
[17:14] <brendand> ahayzen, shuffle does work perfectly
[17:15] <ahayzen> yeah don't start looking at shuffle ;) it is broken if u go backwards...but we were waiting for background playlists in media-hub before fixing that
[17:15] <ahayzen> brendand, so what is broken it repeat?
[17:15] <ahayzen> *with repeat
[17:16] <brendand> ahayzen, play an album, then turn repeat on
[17:16] <ahayzen> yep
[17:16] <dpm> ahayzen, I can't for the life of me find out where the purple actions header comes from on bug 1386208 - you guys have been doing a lot of work on theming the music app, would you know what could be adding the colour to the file manager's header actions?
[17:17] <ahayzen> dpm, "a lot of work on theming" heh ... we just set the headerColor and backgroundColor in the MainView
[17:17] <brendand> ahayzen, then skip, or wait until the track ends
[17:18] <brendand> ahayzen, it always goes to the next one
[17:18] <ahayzen> brendand, yeah when it reaches the end of the list it loops around
[17:18] <dpm> ahayzen, you just make it sound easy :-)
[17:18] <ahayzen> brendand, ah are you thinking repeat should be repeat that track?
[17:18] <ahayzen> brendand, repeat means that when the end of the queue is reached it starts over instead of stopping...not repeating the same song
[17:18] <ahayzen> dpm, i would point you to the code but getting 503's from lp
[17:19] <dpm> ahayzen, no worries. I know how to set the header, footer & co colours, there must be something else I'm missing
[17:19] <ahayzen> brendand, we were thinking of having 3 states... no repeat, repeat all and repeat one but we only have no repeat/repeat all for now
[17:20] <ahayzen> dpm, basically we do backgroundColor: "#1e1e23" headerColor: "#1e1e23" in the MainView
[17:20] <ahayzen> dpm, otherwise i would talk to t1mp about it if you can't figure it out
[17:21] <brendand> ahayzen, that's interesting
[17:23] <ahayzen> brendand, with repeat set to off... note it will only stop if the end of the track is reached...if you are on the last track and select next with repeat off it *will* loop around
[17:46]  * nik90 waves
[18:03]  * popey waves to nik90
[18:03] <nik90> popey: hey hey how is it going?
[18:04] <popey> great, having a day off after the sprint ☻
[18:05] <zubozrout> Hello, does anyone have any thoughts on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541987/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-2-0-crashes-on-start ... it seems importing Qt3D 2.0 causes my app to crash on the device, but it runs nicely on my desktop. Thank you very much.
[18:07] <nik90> popey: cool, enjoy
[18:08] <popey> zubozrout: fails on the desktop here
[18:08] <popey> file:///home/alan/qt3dtest/main.qml:2 module "Qt3D" is not installed
[18:09] <zubozrout> Hmm, I've got it running in the SDK.
[18:09] <popey> inside the emulator?
[18:10] <popey> aha!
[18:10] <zubozrout> Nope, just with the "run" button.
[18:10] <popey> got it working, i had a missing package
[18:10] <popey> qtdeclarative5-qt3d-plugin is installable on the desktop, but it's not pre-installed on the device images
[18:10] <zubozrout> Ok, than it is possible it is missing on my tablet too.
[18:10] <popey> very likely
[18:11] <popey> the question is, od we even want to install it
[18:11] <popey> *do
[18:11] <zubozrout> Hmm, but this https://github.com/Sturmflut/ubuntu-touch-qt3d-cylinder/tree/master/src works on my tablet.
[18:11] <popey> that's a question for Mirv / bzoltan_
[18:11] <popey> thats c++
[18:11] <zubozrout> Ok
[18:11] <popey> the missing bit is the qml plugin
[18:12] <popey> zubozrout: i can email the necessary people and cc you on it, if you would like?
[18:12] <zubozrout> I understand, anyway, thanks for solving my little mystery :)
[18:12] <popey> np
[18:13] <zubozrout> If you could, please do so, as I think it should be installed by default. It is easy to develop in :).
[18:14] <popey> done
[18:14] <zubozrout> I'll try to install the package on my tablet, to see if it works.
[18:16] <popey> Thanks for not asking how I knew your email address ㋛
[18:18] <ogra_> popey, zubozrout, i would put all my betrs on the fact that Qt3D is only compiled for GL ... so it wont work on touch at all
[18:18] <popey> interesting.
[18:19] <ogra_> i might be wrong though :)
[18:19] <ogra_> Mirv or rsalveti could tell (the latter is on vacation though)
[18:19] <popey> i mailed mirv and zoltan
[18:19] <zubozrout> Oh, thanks - I haven't noticed the email you sent me. And I am not surprised, since you had to authorize dozens of my software-center app changes, sorry for that.
[18:19] <popey> ☻
[18:21] <zubozrout> Anyway, there is one more thing, maybe you can give me some hint: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541214/how-can-i-detect-screen-rotation-with-qml
[18:21] <popey> ogra_: well, there is a thing that uses qt3d in the store which works, is just the qml bit missing
[18:22] <ogra_> ah, k ... then it must be fine indeed
[18:25] <mhall119> nik90: are you going to be a track lead for appdev this UOS?
[18:27] <ahayzen> Hi, anyone know how to fix the urlhandler when it starts eg opening calendar instead of music, is there something i can reset somewhere?
[18:32] <nik90> mhall119: I can't be a track lead this time since I still have my 2nd exam coming up on Nov 7th which I will be busy with
[18:32] <mhall119> ah, no worried, best of luck on the exams
[18:33] <nik90> thnx. I will be ofc taking part in the UOS itself
[18:48] <popey> Any of you know of an application/tool which can be used to create a decision tree?
[18:49] <popey> something which exports to html would be a bonus.
[18:49] <ahayzen> popey, Dia is pretty good at doing any sort of diagrams with lots of export options
[18:50] <popey> yeah, i wanted to make a thing like this:- http://popey.com/~alan/helpdesk/showTree.html?1414434711
[18:51] <popey> something that lets me brain dump in and get out something like a web page people can answer questions in and get to an answer
[18:53] <ahayzen> popey, maybe Dia isn't the right tool then ;)
[18:54] <popey> yeah.
[18:54] <popey> starting to think that some kind of graphical adventure creator is the right tool!
[18:55] <ahayzen> popey, write an app in QML to do it ;)
[18:55] <popey> funny man
[18:55] <ahayzen> popey, then export HTML via content-hub aha
[18:56] <popey> Now look.
[18:56] <popey> Seriously, interactive fiction engines might well be the right tool here
[18:58] <mihir> popey: is it kind of survey ?
[18:58] <popey> nah, more a helpdesk
[18:59] <popey> "Oh, so your system broke, lets figure out a solution"
[19:27] <mhall119> zbenjamin: would you be able to be a UOS track lead for the appdev track?
[19:29] <mhall119> also, any core app developers who can be a track lead for us this cycle?
[20:06] <vitimiti> Is it recommended better using anchors or Qt layout for the layout of the screens?
[20:10] <davmor2> popey: see if there is a plugin for libreoffice :) It can create static html pages if it is anything like old open office :)