[04:14] <ax562> quiet round these parts
[18:44] <ax562> hello hello hello
[21:14] <Unit193> ochosi: Oh, is xfce4-panel patched to work with xfconf yet?  Any more need patching?
[21:14] <ochosi> not patched afaik
[21:14] <ochosi> that would have to be done by ali, i haven't reviewed his xfconf changes
[21:14] <Unit193> OK mr Xfce guy, can you poke me if/when it is? :P
[21:14] <ochosi> i would really hope he would supply patches/branches to fix everything his changes break
[21:14] <ochosi> heh, sure
[21:15] <ochosi> given that i notice it ;)
[21:15] <Unit193> Sure.


[15:48] <bodhi_zazen> Just a heads up in this channel
[15:48] <bodhi_zazen> We would like to (slowly)  shut down the tutorials section down on the forums
[15:49] <bodhi_zazen> And migrate that activity to the wiki - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949027
[15:53] <czajkowski> bodhi_zazen: was there musch discussion before hand and if so where about this decision?a lot f people dont see too happu
[15:53] <czajkowski> *happy
[15:57] <bodhi_zazen> There was discussion on FC
[15:57] <bodhi_zazen> some people will be unhappy, but the vast majority support the decision
[15:58] <bodhi_zazen> People are welcome to put it on the FC agenda and show up to the FC meeting if they so desire
[15:58] <czajkowski> bodhi_zazen: discussions o the forums or by the forums council where?
[15:59] <bodhi_zazen> staff chit chat, FC mailing list, and I believe FC meetings
[15:59] <czajkowski> ah well if its documented publically so people know thats fine .
[16:00] <bodhi_zazen> Public documentation is here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1949027
[16:00] <czajkowski> maybe references that in the thread so people can understand
[16:00] <czajkowski> otherwise it seems very much out of the blue
[16:01] <bodhi_zazen> Perhaps if you are unfamiliar with the forums, but the issue has been discussed from time to time
[16:01] <bodhi_zazen> We have been encouraging people to use wiki for years
[16:01] <bodhi_zazen> we are finally taking the next step
[16:06] <czajkowski> no I'm familiar alright :)
[16:08] <bodhi_zazen> At some point it sort of becomes unrealistic to maintain these tutorials on the forums, we were probably at that point 18 months ago
[16:08] <bodhi_zazen> We really do not have the staff to review these things, and they are very hard to maintain on the forums
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> Sure we have a few members who actively maintain them, but, many are unmaintained
[16:09] <bodhi_zazen> At least by the OP
[16:14] <bodhi_zazen> czajkowski: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-19.07.log.html#l-44
[16:14] <bodhi_zazen> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-27-19.07.html
[16:16] <czajkowski> cheers shall ead in  a bit
[16:16] <czajkowski> *ead
[16:19] <czajkowski> *read
[16:19] <czajkowski> damn lag


[18:33] <Gene1> anyone here?
[18:46] <qense> Gene1: If you've got a question, just ask it and someone will see it and respond.
[18:47] <Gene1> i'm a relative newbee, on windows you can look at a drive and tell how full or empty it is, but on linux there doesn't seem to be that ability, is there anyway to change that?
[18:49] <Gene1> is 'quense' a person or a bot?
[18:50] <qense> Gene1: I'm not a bot.
[18:50] <Gene1> thanks
[18:51] <qense> Gene1: You can go to 'Computer' in the file manager and in the properties of File System there should be a pie chart somewhere.
[18:52] <Gene1> not that i see, ubuntu 9.10  'places',    computer
[18:53] <qense> you need to click on computer
[18:53] <Gene1> i did
[18:54] <Gene1> no chart of any kind
[18:54] <qense> Not in Computer, no, that's correct.
[18:54] <Gene1> just pix of partition symbols
[18:54] <qense> That's correct.
[18:54] <Gene1> i know
[18:54] <qense> Now you should press with the right mouse button on 'File System' and go to Properties.
[18:54] <qense> wait, my bad
[18:55] <qense> not File System, but the hard disk you want to know more about
[18:55] <qense> hey, the pie charts aren't there anymore!
[18:55] <Gene1> right
[18:55] <Gene1> wish they were
[18:56] <qense> Gene1: I would suggest to ask again in the support channel #ubuntu since this channel is about the development of the Ubuntu website.
[18:56] <Gene1> aha, ic. which channel exactly?
[18:56] <qense> #ubuntu
[18:57] <Gene1> thanks, have a good day
[18:57] <qense> you're welcome


[01:31] <bkerensa> tgm4883: What have you been up to?
[01:31] <bkerensa> :D
[03:42] <Wonnenangshonat> Greetings
[04:08] <bkerensa> slangasek & kees: I think me and the lady might migrate to Paleo in January... Doing research now and getting books
[04:14] <Wonnenangshonat> Hows it going bkerensa
[05:35] <kees> bkerensa: ah, very cool! it can be rough at first. feel free to use me to bounce ideas/troubles off of if you want.
[18:05] <slangasek> bkerensa: great :) as kees says, the transition can be a little rough, but all the science and anecdotal data is on your side :)
[19:03] <bkerensa> kees: Thanks! Yeah still in research phase to make sure this is something we can commit to for the long term. I think the hardest thing is going to be replacing Lunches for Jenn at work since she takes sandwiches (No more bread or cheese) and then replacing common snacks
[19:03] <bkerensa> kees: I noticed at the Jam that there was cheese and processed meats? :)
[19:15] <kees> bkerensa: yeah, ditching sandwiches (as a way of thinking about mobile food) is kind of a trick. for mobile lunches, I have tended to do something like chicken & greens in a tupperware container.
[19:15] <kees> bkerensa: the big change, frankly, is the increase in food prep time. but I think it's a sum-win over the increase in energy levels ;)
[19:16] <kees> bkerensa: as for milk products, this seems to be very different from person to person. some people are extremely sensitive to milk (it triggers a strong insulin response), some less so.
[19:16] <bkerensa> kees: So in a Paleo cookbook we found a potato stew but on other lists were seeing potatoes black listed
[19:17] <kees> bkerensa: my wife can't have any, and I seem to do fine with some cheese scattered around as topping, etc.
[19:18] <kees> bkerensa: yeah, it depends on who you want to pay attention to. I avoid potatoes completely. tried doing yams for a while, but even that seems like too much for me.
[19:19] <kees> bkerensa: I'm less about following a specific paleo thing than just trying to hack my physiology. it happens that paleo/primal diets seem the best match to what studies have actually shown as being good long-term.
[19:19] <kees> bkerensa: frankly, just eliminating sugar/grain/cereals/juice is enough work. I like to think of it as a series of steps.
[19:20] <kees> e.g., I ditched milk itself at the onset (I think that had a big effect), but kept cheese. then about a year into it, tried ditching cheese entirely, and it didn't seem to do anything.
[19:20] <bkerensa> kees: Do you know of people who drink any non-soda beverages on paleo diet? Like Cascade Ice?
[19:20] <kees> that's why I try to be really data-driven; it's hard to measure the effect of this stuff because it's so slow-moving.
[19:21] <bkerensa> Some of these guides seem horrible strict while others seem to give room to wiggle
[19:21] <bkerensa> :D
[19:21]  * kees looks up cascade ice. my wife and I drink trader joe's lemon sparkling water thing
[19:22] <kees> basically I avoid any sweeteners.
[19:22] <kees> so, I'd probably avoid cascade ice.
[19:22] <bkerensa> Hmm
[19:22] <bkerensa> http://cascadeicewater.com/blog/2011/02/29/
[19:23] <bkerensa> I found that by a paleo dieter
[19:23] <bkerensa> :D
[19:23] <kees> bkerensa: I think that it's worth being really strict for like a month, just to be able to measure what that looks like for the person, and then see where you wanted wiggle room
[19:23] <kees> I'd say water > cascade ice > soda, so go for it if it means ditching the soda. :)
[19:24] <kees> I've found for myself that artificial sweeteners still have an insulin response in me, but other people are less sensitive.
[19:24] <kees> I think that grains and sugar are the real killers, though.
[19:25] <kees> a book I liked for giving a reasonable plan for a "primal" lifestyle was Primal Blueprint.
[19:25] <kees> http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ <- the author's site has a lot of interesting details
[19:26] <kees> and while removal of sugar/grain is important, I think _adding_ good animal fat is important too. eggs, grass-fed beef, chicken, etc.
[19:31] <bkerensa> kees: I will be honest we have been looking at a handful of diets to see whats going to work best
[19:31] <kees> bkerensa: yeah, a smart approach.
[19:31] <bkerensa> I'm a fan of the Paleo because it cuts out all the bad stuff but Jenn she is a little concerned about being able to stick to it
[19:32] <bkerensa> she is afraid if she isnt able to stick to it that I wont be able to and it will be a fail
[19:32] <bkerensa> :D
[19:32] <kees> as long as you don't avoid fat, paleo can work.
[19:32] <bkerensa> kees: I love fat
[19:32] <bkerensa> :D
[19:32] <kees> trying to do "low fat" along with paleo is a disaster because you're just starving yourself. :)
[19:32] <kees> me too! meat & eggs wheee
[19:33] <bkerensa> kees: I think we are looking at Paleo, Biggest Loser, South Beach, Atkins and one other
[19:33] <bkerensa> :D
[19:33] <kees> I think that while atkins has some benefits, I think it's lack of focus on food quality ultimately causes it to fail.
[19:34]  * kees doesn't know the details of Biggest Loser.
[19:34]  * kees looks quickly
[19:35] <kees> ah, yeah, it's a "low fat, low calories" diet. I think that should be seriously avoided.
[19:35] <kees> calorie restriction isn't useful when there are still lots of carbs in the picture.
[19:35] <kees> read through the Taubes book if you haven't already; you'll be convinced. ;)
[19:36] <bkerensa> kees: So last question for now.... Can we keep cheese?
[19:36] <bkerensa> :D
[19:36] <kees> bkerensa: given everything else you're ditching, I'd keep it for now.
[19:36] <bkerensa> :D
[19:37] <kees> bkerensa: that said, be aware of its use. some people are crazy-sensitive to it.
[19:37] <bkerensa> kees: What is this sensitivity you talk about? Is this something that happens on the paleo diet?
[19:37] <bkerensa> My big concern right now is I need to reduce my blood glucose levels :D
[19:39] <kees> bkerensa: I just mean that it depends on your body's ability to process milk products. I wouldn't worry about it right now (unless you're drinking lots of milk). cheese should be fine for the near-term. ditching the bad carbs will have the biggest impact. I'd worry about tweaking stuff in like a year.
[19:39] <kees> just getting menu plans sane without grains/cereals is hard enough.
[19:40] <bkerensa> kees: Yeah my doc at OHSU e-mailed me this last night "What I would recommend at this point is aggressive lifestyle modification. This includes avoiding simple sugars (sweets, soda, juice, white bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes.) You don't need to cut out carbohydrates completely but replace the above with complex carbohydrates in small portions (whole grain bread/pasta, brown rice). "
[19:42] <kees> bkerensa: yeah. if you want a sensible plan to follow, I liked Primal Blueprint. it includes sensible goals and example menus.
[19:42] <kees> bkerensa: but read the Taubes book(s) too; those will blow your mind. :)
[19:42] <bkerensa> kk
[19:42] <kees> like seriously, you will think the world has gone crazy after reading Taubes. ;)


[03:31] <bigjools> roaksoax: can you bless this please? https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/packaging/+merge/211668
[08:22] <rvba> bigjools: is there something fundamentally wrong with https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/bootimage-ui/+merge/211761 or did you just forget to mark it 'Approved'?
[08:23] <jtv> Where did Oleg add his comments?  I don't see them in the new-import-script-integration branch.
[08:23] <jtv> Oh, wait
[08:23] <rvba> jtv: https://code.launchpad.net/~strikov/maas/maas-new-metadata-format/+merge/210843
[08:23] <jtv> trunk now, right?
[08:24] <jtv> Thanks.
[08:24] <jtv> Do we have parallel branches now?
[08:24] <jtv> I've been working off the new-*-integration one.
[08:25] <rvba> jtv: yeah, we need to integrate Oleg
[08:25] <rvba> 's work
[08:26] <jtv> Should we start by just making all of it live in trunk, even if not active yet?
[08:27] <jtv> Keep the old and the new entries in pserv.yaml, etc.
[08:27] <jtv> Or will it be too hard?
[08:43] <rvba> jtv: I think it's doable.
[08:44] <rvba> And probably the best option to avoid the big bang approach.
[08:44] <jtv> Yeah.  It'll still be one functionally, but at least we won't be messing around with conflicting branches.
[08:44] <jtv> I went through a weird jet-lag phase earlier today, and I was just constantly wondering what was where.  Scary!
[08:45] <jtv> Trunk is nice and safe.  :)
[08:53] <bigjools> rvba: I forgot, sorry.
[08:53] <rvba> no worries
[08:54] <bigjools> rvba, jtv: I'd like to get oleg using the integration branch
[08:54] <bigjools> however I emailed him earlier and said we'd just take over the work
[08:54] <jtv> Then we should figure out how to get his latest work into either maas or the integration branch, and the integration branch into trunk.
[08:56] <bigjools> unless we changed any of the same code that is in trunk, we can just get rid of the one in trunk
[08:56] <bigjools> did anything change in the integration branch?
[08:57] <jtv> Not yesterday or today.
[08:57] <jtv> I've been pulling it and not seeing changes.
[08:57] <jtv> Nothing since Tue 2014-03-18 10:53:34 +0100
[08:58] <bigjools> ok
[09:06] <jtv> rvba: I'm trying to run the import script from the integration branch, against source http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/daily/ — but it just fails because the snapshot directory is never created.  Do you get the same?
[09:06] <rvba> jtv: I didn't try using maas.ubuntu.com yet.
[09:06] <bigjools> I am about to try
[09:06] <rvba> I've always used the fake data thus far.
[09:06] <rvba> jtv: I'll try now.
[09:07] <jtv> FWIW I got the same with the test repos, so I expect it's something I'm doing wrong.
[09:26] <rvba> jtv: bigjools: I've integrated Oleg's most recent fixes to the import script in our integration branch.
[09:26] <bigjools> awesome
[09:26] <jtv> Great, thanks.  I'll re-merge.
[09:26] <bigjools> let's get him using it as well
[09:27] <bigjools> meanwhile, my "make install-dependencies" is still going 20 minutes later on this lcy02 instance
[09:27] <rvba> Yeah, canonistack is a mess these days.
[09:27] <rvba> Machines on lcy02 and lcy01 are slow as hell.
[09:28] <bigjools> popular I guess
[09:28] <rvba> (All the bootimages stuff is landed, I need to QA it but it should be quick)
[09:31] <bigjools> maas seems to have about 6 million dependencies
[09:34] <rvba> jtv: when I merge trunk into the integration branch I get a conflict related to the 'label' work.. could you have a look?  You can probably fix this quicker than me.
[09:35] <jtv> Sure
[09:35] <rvba> Ta
[09:35] <jtv> I don't know about the armhf template though.
[09:37] <rvba> We can take Oleg's version, 'highbank' is now explicitly supported by the 'generic' kernel.
[09:37] <rvba>    "version": "14.04",
[09:37] <bigjools> what/where do you configure the new source in the pserv.yaml?
[09:37] <rvba>    "subarches": "generic,highbank,hwe-p,hwe-q,hwe-r,hwe-s,hwe-t",
[09:37] <rvba>    "release": "trusty",
[09:37] <rvba>    "arch": "armhf"
[09:38] <rvba> bigjools: not sure what you mean…?
[09:38] <jtv> Comma-separated string?  Not a list?
[09:38] <bigjools> rvba: the new simplestreams source, where do I configure it in oleg's changes?
[09:38] <jtv> etc/maas/pserv.yaml
[09:38] <rvba> bigjools: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7124389/
[09:38] <rvba> See the top of the diff in https://code.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/new-import-script-integration/+merge/211470
[09:39] <bigjools> guys, I can see that much, but where in that config!
[09:39] <rvba> The path.
[09:39] <rvba> Sorry, I don't think I understand your question.
[09:39] <jtv> Going to be hard to resolve that conflict when tests don't pass in the existing branch...
[09:39] <rvba> jtv: yeah, I know :/
[09:40] <jtv> If tests don't pass anyway, just go with the trunk version...
[09:43] <jtv> The armhf template conflict is just two identical changes conflicting.  I thought they'd made bzr accept that without complaining.
[09:45] <bigjools> formatting difference?
[09:45] <bigjools> trailing spaces?
[09:46] <jtv> No.
[09:46] <jtv> I ran a diff.
[09:46] <bigjools> :(
[09:47] <bigjools> well I tried to run the new script and got this
[09:47] <bigjools> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/var/lib/maas/boot-resources//snapshot-20032014-094738//maas.meta'
[09:49] <jtv> Same for me.
[09:49] <jtv> That's the snapshot directory I mentioned earlier.
[09:50] <jtv> It looks as if simplestreams is supposed to create it implicitly while synchronising.
[09:50] <jtv> By the way, note the 20032014... yes that _is_ a date but it's little-endian.
[09:53] <rvba> Hi strikov!
[09:54] <strikov> rvba: Hey :)
[10:19] <rvba> strikov: that's the integration branch: lp:~maas-maintainers/maas/new-import-script-integration
[10:28] <gmb> bigjools: To confirm: when you had your empty drop down problem, what fixed it? Re-running import-(eph|pxe)?
[10:30] <bigjools> gmb: in my case it was putting the tftp images back in the right place
[10:30] <gmb> bigjools: But wouldn't running the script again had the same effecT?
[10:30] <gmb> (I'm asking because the error should give some instruction as to how to get out of the problem state)
[10:30] <bigjools> gmb: yes, but not in my case as I had a screwy package
[10:30] <gmb> Well, we don't care about that. :)
[10:30] <gmb> Okay, cool.
[10:30] <bigjools> yes, the instruction should be the same as the bug warning banner about missing boot images
[10:31] <bigjools> big*
[10:31] <gmb> Right. That's what I'm going to steal :)
[10:32] <bigjools> gmb: parfait
[10:34] <allenap> Grr.
[10:34] <rvba> allenap: \o/
[10:34] <rvba> ;)
[10:34] <bigjools> wb allenap
[10:34] <allenap> Don’t talk to me.
[10:34] <allenap> ;)
[10:35] <bigjools> so gmb, allenap, rvba, jtv: I shall make sure kanban cards are complete for the list on that doc
[10:35] <bigjools> and then please feel free to start taking them
[10:37] <bigjools> allenap: here's a good reason to start with a new config file, we need to write into it some config based on the current bootimages
[10:37] <bigjools> does the yaml writer maintain comments?
[10:37] <allenap> bigjools: Nope, it doesn’t.
[10:37] <bigjools> uh huh
[10:37] <allenap> Afaik.
[10:37] <bigjools> :)
[10:39] <allenap> bigjools: However, you can just append to the yaml file and it’ll dtrt.
[10:39] <bigjools> allenap: true!
[10:40] <allenap> When it comes to in-place updates to config files, there’s nothing really compelling out there. Configobj is the closest I’ve seen, but that’s kind of baroque.
[10:40] <jtv> Do we need to store this in a config file at all?
[10:40]  * allenap can’t remember exactly what we’re storing.
[10:41] <jtv> Parameters for the imports: arches, releases, source URLs.
[10:41] <jtv> Now, the source URLs we need to have somewhere.
[10:41] <lifeless> configObj is what bzr used
[10:41] <jtv> But the rest I guess could be generated from a form.
[10:41] <rvba> allenap: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7124600/
[10:41] <jtv> Hi lifeless
[10:42] <jtv> What I had in mind originally was: import link goes to a form page, where you can enter the releases and architectures you want, and _that_ gets pre-populated based on existing boot images.
[10:42] <jtv> Oh, that doesn't work with multiple simplestreams sources does it?
[10:43] <rvba> This is all the test failures we've got on the integration branch http://paste.ubuntu.com/7124602/
[10:43] <jtv> I would suggest people start fixing in small branches...
[10:43] <bigjools> wotcha lifeless
[10:44] <rvba> bigjools: can you land your packaging branch?  I can't QA my changes right now because of the new dependency.
[10:45] <bigjools> rvba: yes!
[10:45] <rvba> jtv: yes, the failures can be easily divided into "topics"
[10:45] <rvba> bigjools: ta
[10:45] <jtv> rvba: so you never had that error where the snapshot directory did not exist?
[10:45] <rvba> jtv: no
[10:45] <jtv> And you used that config you pasted to Julian earlier?
[10:47] <rvba> jtv: no, I was using the test data so that path was different.
[10:47] <jtv> What path?
[10:47] <jtv> Oh, the URL?\
[10:48] <jtv> What did you use?  The path to the repo1 (or repo2) directory?
[10:48] <rvba> Yeah, the URL.  Named 'path' in the config.
[10:48] <jtv> file:// URL?
[10:48] <allenap> lifeless: Ah, interesting, that makes me want to look again.
[10:48] <rvba> Yes.
[10:48] <jtv> That didn't work for me either.  Maybe it was the various problems in pserv.yaml...
[10:49] <jtv> Because I noticed that you passed a comma-separated list for subarches, not a list like in the integration branch.
[10:50] <jtv> Ugh.  When I try it against the simplestreams-v2 daily URL, it breaks because it looks for an sjson index.
[10:50] <jtv> Which isn't there.
[10:51] <bigjools> rvba: I can help fix tests
[10:51] <bigjools> let me just get the int  branch
[10:51] <jtv> strikov: do you know if, for manual testing, we can make the import script use index.json (as opposed to index.sjson) and skip any attempt at verifying signatures?
[10:52] <rvba> bigjools: cool, the card contains a link with all the test failures.
[10:52] <rvba> bigjools: I'm fixing the kernel opts-related failures now.
[10:52] <strikov> jtv: its better to put signatures in place, i think
[10:52] <strikov> jtv: let me tell how in a moment
[10:52] <strikov> *tell you how
[10:52] <bigjools> ta
[10:52] <jtv> strikov: thanks.  It's better with signatures of course, but right now, there aren't any and we do need try out some manual runs.
[10:52] <allenap> lifeless: While you’re there, would you be interested in something like https://code.launchpad.net/~allenap/maas/run-isolated-with-debugging/+merge/211803 in upstream subunit?
[10:53] <rvba> https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/integ-fix-tests/+merge/211903
[10:53] <strikov> jtv: bzr branch lp:simplestreams simplestreams
[10:53] <strikov> cd simplestreams
[10:53] <strikov> make gnupg
[10:53] <strikov> ./tools/tenv js2signed /home/ubuntu/boot-resources-v2/
[10:54] <strikov> jtv: that will sign your metadata with simplestream's default key which is in ./gpg/ folder
[10:54] <jtv> strikov: not what I needed!
[10:54] <strikov> jtv: then you can add this key to your keyring and all the checks will pass
[10:54] <jtv> But I'm trying to import a stream that doesn't have any signatures at all.
[10:55] <strikov> jtv: js2signed will add all the signatures automatically (create sjson from json)
[10:55] <jtv> Oh, it inserts that on my end somehow?
[10:55] <jtv> Instead of on the stream I'm trying to import from?
[10:55] <strikov> jtv: which meta do you use? self-generated?
[10:56] <jtv> No, Scott's online URL.
[10:56] <jtv> http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/daily/streams/v1/
[10:56] <strikov> jtv: Ah. Try mine: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/boot-resources-v2/
[10:56] <strikov> jtv: it's basically the same but with signatures
[10:57] <strikov> jtv: you need to integrate simplestreams key though
[10:57] <jtv> Thanks.  That will give me an exact mirror of Scott's otherwise?
[10:57] <bigjools> rvba: can you talk me through that MP
[10:57] <strikov> jtv: let me see if scott made any changes yesterday
[10:57] <jtv> Thanks.
[10:57] <jtv> AIUI labels were added.
[10:58] <rvba> bigjools: this is to account for this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7124669/
[10:58] <bigjools> rvba: I guess that's pretty simplified!
[10:58] <rvba> Yeah, we don't need to patch things up anymore.
[10:58] <strikov> jtv: well, he did (and that's good), we indeed need to disable sign check then
[10:59] <bigjools> rvba: but this means we only keep the most recent locally?
[10:59] <rvba> Yes.  That's what the import script does.
[10:59] <jtv> strikov: yeah... for this kind of thing I really want to be close to the source, so we don't get everything jusssst right — for an obsolete version.
[10:59] <rvba> Also, the 'info' file is now completely gone.
[11:00] <jtv> rvba: get_ephemeral_name also gets a label, of course, in the branch I'm working on.
[11:00] <rvba> Right.
[11:00] <strikov> jtv: to disable sign check we need to (1) change index.sjson to index.json inside script and (2) implement stub policy handler for simplestreams
[11:00] <strikov> jtv: does it work for you?
[11:01] <jtv> strikov: sure, it's only for a temporary hack.  Thanks!
[11:01] <strikov> jtv: give me a few moments
[11:01]  * jtv gives strikov a dozen moments
[11:08] <bigjools> rvba: fwiw not sure I'd bother with MPs for the int branch fixes
[11:08] <rvba> bigjools: wfm
[11:08] <bigjools> rvba: but for safety, did you set append_revisions_only?
[11:08] <rvba> bigjools: no
[11:08] <bigjools> rvba: better do it :)
[11:08] <bigjools> since we're all going to be pushing up
[11:09] <rvba> bigjools: how do I do that?
[11:11] <rvba> bigjools: found it; done.
[11:11] <bigjools> rvba: you were quicker than me
[11:11] <bigjools> sftp to the branch location basically
[11:11] <rvba> bzr config -d bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maas-maintainers/maas/new-import-script-integration/ append_revisions_only=True
[11:12] <bigjools> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5413602/monotonically-increasing-bazaar-trunk-revision-numbers
[11:15] <lifeless> allenap: hmm
[11:15] <lifeless> allenap: so with v2 you can debug through the stream
[11:15] <allenap> lifeless: Ah ha, okay. We ought to upgrade at some point then.
[11:16] <lifeless> allenap: but, that wouldn't stop the dup madness
[11:16] <lifeless> allenap: so I think that this is a simple bug and we should fix it in subunit
[11:16] <lifeless> separately to any discussion about v2 upgrades
[11:17] <allenap> lifeless: Okay, I’ll put a patch together.
[11:17] <lifeless> let me look a little more
[11:17] <lifeless> ok
[11:17] <lifeless> so we replace fd 1
[11:17] <lifeless> which means sys.stdout will still go to that fd
[11:18] <lifeless> and that fd does need to be the fd of the parent pipe, or you won't get the test data
[11:18] <lifeless> so yeah - I think this is a case for upgrade the connection to v2 and route stdin and out to the child
[11:18] <lifeless> via v2 packets
[11:18] <lifeless> should be fairly straight forward
[11:18] <lifeless> get you debugging
[11:19] <allenap> I think I need to read up on v2’s design.
[11:23] <strikov> jtv: https://pastebin.canonical.com/106840/
[11:23] <strikov> jtv: it disables sign check and switches from md5 to sha256
[11:23] <jtv> Thanks!  I'll feel a lot better knowing that I can try things out against Scott's latest "real" data.
[11:24] <jtv> allenap, bigjools, gmb, rvba: see strikov's paste above — the ephemeral-vs stream is not signed yet, so Oleg's patch should help us work around that.  Do Not Commit.  :)
[11:25] <strikov> jtv: Right. Give me one more moment please -- it crashes with Scott's data due to some reason (not related to sign check)
[11:25] <jtv> Whoopsie
[11:25] <bigjools> yay? :)
[11:26] <jtv> It's one step further than what I got.  :)
[11:26] <rvba> jtv: we should probably steal the signature-related code from the old ephemeral import script.
[11:27] <strikov> jtv: heh, that's not my problem though -- so of the entries in Scott's meta doesn't contain checksums
[11:27] <rvba> And maybe extend it a bit to allow unchecked downloads.
[11:27] <strikov> *some of
[11:27] <jtv> rvba: For Freudian reasons, you probably know more about that code than I do...
[11:28] <jtv> rvba: I don't think we have much signing-related code in there anyway.
[11:28] <rvba> jtv: just an option to choose the keyring.
[11:28] <bigjools> rvba: I am thinking that we can get rid of provisioningserver.import_images.tests.test_ephemerals_script entirely
[11:29] <rvba> bigjools: not entirely, there are tests for helpers we still use in there.
[11:29] <rvba> uec2roottar thingy, compose_filters
[11:30] <bigjools> rvba: ok I'll do it
[11:30] <strikov> jtv: well, i'd say that Scott's meta is broken in many ways
[11:30] <jtv> ?
[11:31] <rvba> Yay
[11:31] <strikov> jtv: not all entries contain checksums (which is required for my script because its cache is checksum-indexed)
[11:31] <jtv> Ouch
[11:32] <strikov> jtv: that's definitely a requirement for meta to provide these checksums -- so Scott just didn't fix it yet
[11:32] <rvba> strikov: it's important to keeps a list of all these problems with the new metadata.  Would you mind adding it to the document we looked at during the call?
[11:32] <strikov> rvba: well, i don't think that's a real problem because Scott didn't tell me that his meta is ready yet
[11:32] <strikov> rvba: so, he's working on it right now
[11:34] <rvba> strikov: I know, but we should keep track of what creates problems for the import script.  So that we can make sure things are fixed when Scott releases a new version.
[11:34] <strikov> jtv, rvba: how about not pulling resources w/o checksums available?
[11:34] <strikov> jtv, rvba: that's a hack but it allows us to move forward
[11:34] <jtv> You mean just ignoring them?  Sounds reasonable to me.
[11:35] <rvba> strikov: yeah, that's a good workaround.
[11:35] <strikov> rvba: understood, okay, will do
[11:35] <rvba> strikov: ta
[11:35] <jtv> Great, thanks.
[11:35] <jtv> spasiba.
[11:38] <bigjools> rvba: just pushed up to r2140
[11:41] <rvba> Real-world boot images display, for those interested: http://people.canonical.com/~rvb/boot_images_ui.png
[11:41] <jtv> Nice.
[11:41] <rvba> The sorting could be better :)
[11:42] <jtv> I was just writing that I wasn't going to ask about that, because...
[11:42] <jtv> priorities!
[11:42] <jtv> But it's nice to have some visibility at last.
[11:42] <rvba> Yes
[11:48] <jtv> Review needed: https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/labels-in-new-import-script/+merge/211910
[11:50] <rvba> jtv: I'll take it
[11:50] <jtv> Thanks.
[11:50] <jtv> Disappointingly small, given the trouble it's caused.
[11:50] <jtv> Argh!  I accidentally committed my pserv.yaml changes.
[11:50] <jtv> Let me fix that.
[11:53] <rvba> jtv: why? These changes are welcome.
[11:53] <jtv> Not with the commented-out lines...
[11:54] <jtv> I can add back the actual improvements.
[11:55] <bigjools> who subscribed the team to the int branch?
[11:55] <bigjools> don't do that
[11:56] <jtv> Are we subscribed automatically maybe?
[11:56] <bigjools> dunno
[11:56] <jtv> Because it's owned by the team?
[11:56] <strikov> rvba, jtv, allenap, bigjools, gmb: Workaround to be able to pull Scott's meta (choose armhf in pserv.yaml to avoid pulling tons of images): https://pastebin.canonical.com/106841/
[11:57] <jtv> \o/
[11:57] <rvba> strikov: ta
[11:57] <rvba> This probably deserves a comment in the code though :)
[11:57] <jtv> This isn't for committing — it's for experimenting.
[11:57] <strikov> rvba: that a very dirty workaround :)
[11:57] <rvba> Ah ok.
[11:58] <jtv> Which I think is very empowering.
[11:58] <rvba> I thought we wanted to commit that… until simplestreams gets fixed.
[11:58] <jtv> No, it's just a workaround I requested so we could experiment.
[12:00] <rvba> Reviewer needed (tiny review) https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/bootimg-ui-sort/+merge/211912
[12:01] <gmb> rvba:
[12:01] <rvba> jtv: you need to manually merge your branch to get it landed on the integration branch.
[12:01] <gmb> rvba: Approved, even :)
[12:01] <rvba> heh, thanks gmb
[12:02]  * gmb -> afk for a few hours; back later.
[12:03] <strikov> jtv, rvba: Scott is fixing this hash issue right now
[12:04] <rvba> strikov: cool
[12:04] <jtv> Even better.
[12:05] <bigjools> rvba: I've been staring at code and re-reading over and over and finally I think I need to accept I am too tired to continue.  I'll catch up tomorrow, don't forget your EOD email :)
[12:06] <bigjools> I'll send one of my own
[12:06] <jtv> nn bigjools
[12:06] <bigjools> nytol
[12:06] <rvba> nn bigjools
[12:26] <jtv> Oh, strikov, one thing I was wondering about: why the strange date format in the name of the snapshot directory?  Why not YYYYMMDD?
[12:26] <jtv> Much better for sorting!
[12:27] <jtv> I noticed because the name looked like a date in 2003.  :)
[12:27] <strikov> jtv: no idea.... that was the last thing i worried about. YYYYMMDD looks really well ;)
[12:27] <jtv> If it doesn't cause any problems, would you mind if I changed it?
[12:28] <strikov> jtv: sure
[12:28] <jtv> Thanks.
[12:31] <strikov> integra
[12:31] <strikov> ouch, sorry
[12:31] <alexpilotti> allenap: ping
[12:32] <jtv> strikov: looks like I got a successful import...  the files are still placeholders.
[12:33] <alexpilotti> hi guys
[12:33] <strikov> jtv: really?
[12:33] <strikov> 1.4G -rw-r--r--  9 root root 1.4G Mar 20 11:49 root-image
[12:33] <alexpilotti> I'm working on the maas latest bbits, and with today's brz pull I have a few issues :-)
[12:36] <strikov-lunch> jtv: I'll return back in 15 mins and do a deeper check
[12:37] <strikov-lunch> jtv: we shouldn't have placeholders there afaik and that looks like a bug
[12:40] <alexpilotti> The first error in the logs is: [Thu Mar 20 14:22:20.513813 2014] [proxy:error] [pid 16550:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>9232] (111)Connection refused: AH00957: HTTP: attempt to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>:5243 (localhost) failed
[12:40] <alexpilotti> it was working fine with yesterday lates bzr bits, so I wonder if anybody has an idea by any chance :-)
[12:41] <rvba> allenap: can you help alexpilotti please ^
[12:41] <alexpilotti> allenap: tx!
[12:45] <alexpilotti> allenap rvba: a stack trace of a related error: http://paste.openstack.org/show/73903/
[12:49] <alexpilotti> allenap rvba: narrowed down to not being able to start: /home/cloudbase/maas/bin/python /home/cloudbase/maas/bin/maas-region-admin runserver 5243 --settings=maas.demo --noreload
[12:49] <alexpilotti> getting "ImportError: cannot import name close_old_connections"
[13:02] <strikov> rvba, jtv: Scott updated his meta. Now it's signed and contains all the required hashes
[13:02] <strikov> rvba, jtv: checking my script against it right now
[13:32] <allenap> Hi alexpilotti. Looking now.
[13:32] <alexpilotti> allenap: tx
[13:34] <allenap> alexpilotti: The first error implies that the Django app is not up. Try `make status` to check if it’s been started, then look at logs/webapp/current to see what might be the issue.
[13:34] <allenap> The second error the same.
[13:35] <allenap> alexpilotti: Ah, okay, I read a bit more of what you wrote :)
[13:36] <alexpilotti> allenap: webapp is getting continuously respawned
[13:36] <alexpilotti> e.g:
[13:37] <alexpilotti> services/web: up (pid 7565) 125 seconds, normally down
[13:37] <alexpilotti> services/webapp: up (pid 10030) 0 seconds, normally down
[13:37] <alexpilotti> services/web: up (pid 7565) 140 seconds, normally down
[13:37] <alexpilotti> services/webapp: up (pid 10251) 1 seconds, normally down
[13:37] <allenap> alexpilotti: Are you running this on Trusty? Can you check the version of Django you’re using? I wonder if close_old_connections only appears in 1.6.
[13:38] <alexpilotti> yeap trusty, did an apt-get upgrade along with the bzr pull
[13:38] <allenap> alexpilotti: Run: apt-cache policy python-django
[13:38] <alexpilotti> python-django                           1.6.1-2
[13:39] <alexpilotti> python-django:
[13:39] <alexpilotti>   Installed: 1.6.1-2
[13:39] <alexpilotti>   Candidate: 1.6.1-2
[13:39] <alexpilotti>   Version table:
[13:39] <alexpilotti>  *** 1.6.1-2 0
[13:39] <alexpilotti>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
[13:39] <alexpilotti>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[13:39] <allenap> alexpilotti: And: bin/py -c 'import django; print django.__file__'
[13:39] <allenap> In the branch.
[13:39] <alexpilotti> "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/__init__.pyc"
[13:40] <allenap> Ah, you’ve got a version of Django in /usr/local that might be stale.
[13:43] <alexpilotti> allenap: checking!
[13:47] <alexpilotti> allenap: good ctach: python -c "import django; print django.get_version()"
[13:47] <alexpilotti> 1.3.1
[13:53] <alexpilotti> removed, everything is good now, tx!
[14:05] <tych0> hi allenap, do you have some time to chat today?
[14:07] <allenap> tych0: Yes! I assume to talk about LXC? Do you want to get this done in time for Trusty?
[14:07] <tych0> allenap: that was the idea
[14:07] <tych0> i might just bag it, though
[14:07] <tych0> you guys don't seem to like the patch
[14:07] <allenap> tych0: Yeah, sorry. I do like the idea though. I guess it’s mainly for testing, right?
[14:07] <tych0> and for use in the cloud installer
[14:08] <tych0> we're already doing this but we have a race condition that this would solve
[14:09] <tych0> anyway, i'm open to suggestions
[14:09] <tych0> but i don't want to waste any more time if it's not going to go in
[14:09] <allenap> tych0: If it can wait a few weeks it would make me happy. I’d like to get it in, but properly. For example, we may want to add a hook to decommission a machine, to avoid that power-off-equals-destroy hack.
[14:10] <tych0> allenap: from my POV we could just power it off and leave it alive, and delete it next time it comes up
[14:10] <tych0> that's basically what maas already does
[14:10] <tych0> i don't mind either way, really
[14:11] <tych0> allenap: waiting a few weeks doesn't really do it for me. if it's not in trusty we can't use it in the cloud installer, so i have much less incentive to fix it.
[14:12] <allenap> tych0: We do have nascent plans to overhaul the transitions a node goes through. Supporting this would be a good use-case. If it can wait, let’s do it properly.
[14:12] <allenap> tych0: Okay, let’s talk at 1430 UTC. Is that okay?
[14:13] <tych0> allenap: that's in 15 minutes or so?
[14:13] <allenap> tych0: Yep.
[14:13] <tych0> allenap: sounds good
[14:14] <allenap> gmb, rvba, jtv: Either of you want to talk about LXC in MAAS too?
[14:14] <allenap> a/Either/Any/
[14:15] <rvba> allenap: I think I'll pass… I'm too deep into the integration work.
[14:32] <allenap> tych0: Problems without hangout?
[14:32] <allenap> Or with even.
[14:35] <allenap> tych0: Try https://talky.io/maas
[14:36] <tych0> allenap: joining now


[01:01] <mdz> ok
[01:02] <jbailey> I've just offered to paste our conversation to him in /msg, just a sec.
[01:02] <doko> just wanted to clarify the gcc-4.0 upload
[01:03] <mdz> mpfr should be fine
[01:03] <doko> autogen is for the fixincludes testsuite, I did replace type-handling
[01:04] <mdz> autogen looks fine as well
[01:05] <doko> currently 4.0 didn't branch yet. I'd like to make one update when gcc-4.0 is branched. that's not a guarantee that there are no more ABI changes, but it's closer to a release.
[01:06] <doko> The only packages affected are libgcc1 and libobjc1, the others should be used by Jeff's Java stuff only.
[01:06] <mdz> is this the same update that jbailey mentioned?
[01:06] <doko> yes
[01:06] <mdz> hmm
[01:06] <mdz> libobjc1 is not very important
[01:06] <mdz> but we would need to carefully review the libgcc changes
[01:06] <jbailey> mdz: I did an ABI check yesterday on libgcc, and that's the same.
[01:06] <mdz> jbailey said mid-to-late February
[01:06] <jbailey> I haven't audited the changes between them, but it's easy enough.
[01:06] <mdz> we need to be very careful as we approach preview freeze
[01:07] <mdz> after preview we will be a bit less strict, but the preview release must be very solid
[01:07] <doko> maybe more late February. OTOH, we can track libgcc1 specific changes in the upstream sources
[01:07] <jbailey> mdz: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-02/msg00079.html is the message from Mark Mitchell (RM for GCC) saying that he plans to branch on Feb 24th.
[01:08] <mdz> is it possible to reduce the number of gccs in main?
[01:08] <mdz> with 4.0, that will be 3
[01:08] <mdz> do we need all 3?
[01:09] <doko> no. certainly not 3.3 at this point, 3.4 is currently configured for amd64 to be C++ ABI compatible with 3.3 to build the mozilla packages.
[01:09] <mdz> gcc-3.4 seems to be used only for a few packages on amd64
[01:10] <doko> yes, and maybe the kernel? at least the non-official Debian port uses it for the amd64 kernel packages
[01:10] <mdz> we use the default compiler for the kernel
[01:10] <jbailey> Does it address your concern if gcc-4 is the only thing providing Java, and it doesn't provide C, C++ packages?
[01:11] <doko> ehh, we do have to provide C and C++, we can package them in the same package, but why?
[01:11] <mdz> I don't mind if it builds the C and C++ compilers (they'll end up in universe)
[01:11] <doko> no, they'll go to main, as gcj-4.0 depends on these.
[01:12] <mdz> hmm, I did not realize that
[01:12] <mdz> but still, not a big problem
[01:13] <doko> the other question is, if we want to build gcc-4.0 for other languages, but they don't hurt in universe (fortran, objc, maybe ada)
[01:13] <mdz> if they do not initroduce any new build-deps
[01:13] <mdz> and they do not cause FTBFS on any release architectures
[01:13] <mdz> then sure, no problem
[01:13] <mdz> s/initr/intr/
[01:14] <doko> I'm unsure if I can get the python plugin for eclipse uploaded until tomorrow...
[01:14] <doko> that's why I currently disabled ada for all architectures. fails at least on ia64
[01:14] <doko> ia64 is rel.arch?
[01:14] <mdz> no
[01:15] <doko> ok, then I can just disabled it for ia64.
[01:16] <doko> you can find a current set of binaries on chinstrap:~doko/uploads. These should work on i386.
[01:16] <mdz> if you are ready to upload, then please upload sooner rather than later
[01:16] <mdz> especially if the remaining java work is dependent on it
[01:17] <doko> ok, first thing I do tomorrow, however I do test builds before the upload.
[01:17] <mdz> jbailey: you need gcc-4.0 before uploading eclipse stuff, right?
[01:17] <jbailey> mdz: Yes.
[01:17] <mdz> jbailey: is there anything else that we are targeting for main?
[01:18] <jbailey> mdz: No.  That was actually going to be one of my questions is whether eclipse was approved for main or universe.
[01:18] <jbailey> main would be nicer, at least for ecj.  The rest of it could go into universe for now.
[01:18] <mdz> if it's supportable, it should go into main
[01:19] <jbailey> Yeah, I think it is.  There's a huge community around it.
[01:19] <mdz> are they mostly using commercial JVMs with it?
[01:19] <mdz> will we be on our own with gcj, or are there others taking the same path?
[01:20] <jbailey> FC4 has compiled eclipse with gcj.
[01:20] <doko> redhat ...
[01:20] <mdz> ok, good
[01:21] <doko> btw, I did talk to Michael Koch, who does a lot of libgcj/classpath stuff upstream. He does seem to have time, so if something needs to be done on this side ...
[01:21] <mdz> we talked with him about gcjwebplugin, but he said it would be a very large project and take a lot of time
[01:22] <jbailey> doko: He no longer has alot of time, he's just accepted a job offer.
[01:22] <mdz> are there any applications, other than eclipse, that we can use to "show off" our java functionality in hoary?
[01:22] <jbailey> He does have 10% person time to allocate to various things, and I think he's planning on using it for mostly classpath related stuff.
[01:23] <doko> well, we can look at the rhug site and see what is worth including ...
[01:23] <jbailey> mdz: Only things that really want useful SecurityManager support.  I spoke to Michael about that, and he said that it's not possible to do a stub one.
[01:23] <mdz> so can we get all of this into hoary sometime tomorrow (earlier is better)?
[01:23] <mdz> jbailey: can we get tomcat working?
[01:24] <jbailey> mdz: I think so.  I can beat on that one hard.
[01:24] <mdz> or that file sharing app that everyone seems to use, I forget the name
[01:25] <mdz> I think we probably shouldn't go crazy with bringing Java apps into main for hoary, but it would be nice to have a bunch of stuff ready-to-run in universe
[01:25] <mdz> and eclipse in main
[01:25] <jbailey> mdz:  Is universe locked down after tomorrow as well?
[01:25] <mdz> jbailey: no, we'll be fairly liberal with universe
[01:26] <jbailey> mdz: 'kay.  I can see about encouraging folks who've spoken to me about Java to get stuff into universe.
[01:26] <jbailey> The MOTU fast track stuff might be nice incentive. =)
[01:26] <mdz> right
[01:26] <mdz> ogra has been doing some recruiting activities
[01:26] <mdz> Java should give him additional ammunition
[01:27] <mdz> anything else?
[01:27] <doko> ok, my cough is getting worse, I'll sleep now. mdz, until when are you available tomorrow morning UTC?
[01:27] <jbailey> doko: nasty, don't let it get you.  I lost a pile of last week to coughing/sneezing/fever last week.
[01:28] <mdz> doko: I'm usually here starting at 1700 or 1800 UTC
[01:28] <mdz> doko: good night
[01:28] <doko> mdz: no, I meant tomorrow morning
[01:28] <mdz> doko: 1700 UTC is tomorrow morning for me
[01:29] <mdz> oh, morning UTC
[01:29] <jbailey> doko: You two are 10 hours apart. =)
[01:29] <doko> mdz: ok, when do you leave tonight ;)
[01:29] <mdz> I am not usually awake after 0800 UTC
[01:29] <doko> ok, let's try to talk at 07:00 UTC?
[01:30] <mdz> ok, I expect to be online at that time
[01:30] <doko> fine, good night!


[00:21] <brandonkal> systemd-networkd-wait-online.service is basically slowing startup by 2min. It's waiting for interfaces which never go up. Is there a way to tell it to ignore all but one interface or otherwise fix it?
[00:27] <rfm> brandonkal, mark the interfaces as "optional: true" in netplan...
[00:28] <brandonkal> I've done that but it seems the system generates random interfaces. There should only be two but I've got a whole lot...
[00:29] <brandonkal> rfm Could snap packages be generating cruft here?
[00:31] <rfm> brandonkal, never seen snap generate net interfaces, container stuff like docker, yes..
[00:31] <rfm> brandonkal, are there systemd network units for these strange interfaces?   if so need to find out who's generating them...
[00:32] <brandonkal> I have docker, but typically when I've done that it only added a docker0
[00:32] <brandonkal> I have br-a8c7c,docker0,eno0,enp7s0f1,ens5f0,ens5f1,lo,veth4bc9,virbr0
[00:33] <brandonkal> And also an IP on br-a8c7ce24a6eb
[00:33] <brandonkal> I did have an eth4 and eth5 earlier as references in my netplan file.
[00:34] <brandonkal> How does one check for that. Thanks rfm
[00:38] <rfm> brandonkal, I'd start with "sudo lshw -C network" to see what those other interfaces are, and put entries in netplan matching on MAC address (not the interface name, which can change around on PCIe) to mark them optional
[00:47] <brandonkal> Thanks. That lists the ones that went missing such as eth3,eth4. Now I recall I have a 4-port pcie eth card that was previously passed through to a VM. Is there a way to disable those ports when not being passed through? rfm
[00:53] <rfm> brandonkal, I guess you could blacklist the driver. not anything I've ever done. also could disable  networking on those interfaces in /etc/sysctl.conf, but I can't tell you the syntax offhand
[00:56] <brandonkal> Ok thanks, I'll look into those options. It's interesting because based on this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/134483/why-is-my-ethernet-interface-called-enp0s10-instead-of-eth0 I shouldn't be seeing ehtX on some of those ports.
[00:59] <rfm> brandonkal, this is all controlled in the udev rules, perhaps you (or somebody else) tweaked them sometime?
[01:00] <rfm> brandonkal, that's why I use MAC matching, that doesn't change around...
[01:02] <brandonkal> Installed NetworkManager for Cockpit and uninstalled but I suspect it left some cruft behind...
[01:02] <brandonkal> I will be switching to mac
[08:41] <JanC> MAC addresses can change too...
[13:21] <tuxick> usually not
[17:33] <daevski> Trying to setup wifi on ubuntu 20.04 server using netplan and getting some output I'm not understanding... https://pastebin.com/g0fWUBYy
[19:48] <tomreyn> daevski: while this configuration seems to be in line with https://netplan.io/examples/#connecting-to-a-wpa-personal-wireless-network i also seem to remember that systemd-networkd does not actually work well with setting up a wireless connection, and you should be using network-manager for it. this info may be outdated or just wrong, i suggest studying bug reports.
[19:49] <daevski> Can I use NetworkManager on the server edition without a gui?
[19:49] <tomreyn> sure
[19:50] <tomreyn> there is nmcli and nmtui
[19:50] <daevski> Okay, I will try those. Thanks for the tip!
[19:50] <tomreyn> note also that netplan.org points to #netplan for support
[19:51] <tomreyn> https://netplan.io/examples/#using-network-manager-as-a-renderer
[19:52] <tomreyn> "You can specify which network backend should be used to configure particular devices by using the renderer key."
[19:54] <tomreyn> so this seems to suggest that you can use networkd for ethernet and networkmanager for wireless
[19:55] <tomreyn> networkmanager is a bit resource hungry and slow sadly, which is why you may want to only use it where you have to.
[20:09] <daevski> tomreyn great info, thanks again :)
[20:09] <tomreyn> you're welcome


[00:43] <erik1397> i get a black screen on resume after suspend. intel hd 3000 graphics, have tried all generic kernels available with same result
[00:58] <rats> hhhh
[02:05] <milo_> sup
[02:05] <milo_> There's a grip of people in here but nobody's talking
[02:07] <milo_> Hey, so anybody have any recommendations if I want to install google chrome? Do I just go to the website or is it different in Linux. I'm just learning (If you can't tell)
[02:09] <vsrao> Hi. I had clicked on the "Configure Touchpad" button once. And now, each time Plasma starts, I get the "No touchpad found" dialog. How do I disable this?
[02:09] <milo_> Damn, there's over 200 people in here. Yeah, that's a good question.
[02:11] <milo_> Oh wow, 234. And nobody's talking.
[02:12] <Kimlaroux> milo_, I suppose you're under kubuntu...
[02:13] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: just go the website, download and install deb package
[02:13] <Kimlaroux> Chrome is google's finished Chromium browser. You can install chromium from the repositories
[02:13] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: and it will automaticaly add the google chrome repositories to your software sources, so it will be updated when a new release is available
[02:14] <Kimlaroux> Kwashiorkor, installing a ded does that? I didn't know...
[02:14] <Kimlaroux> .deb*
[02:14] <Kwashiorkor> yes, but google chrome is better, and its updates much more often, since chromium updates takes ages to appear at repositories....
[02:15] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: just go to -> https://www.google.com/chrome
[02:15] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: and download/install the .deb package
[02:15] <Kimlaroux> I installed the daily builds from the launchpad ppa
[02:16] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: forget about launchpad with google chrome, its better to stay with the stable release available at -> https://www.google.com/chrome
[02:16] <Kimlaroux> it gets updated quite often, and is the version with 64bits everything
[02:16] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: once you install it, you dont have to worry about updates because it will automaticaly add the chrome repository to your software sources
[02:17] <vsrao> Hi. I had clicked on the "Configure Touchpad" button once. And now, each time Plasma starts, I get the "No touchpad found" dialog. How do I disable this?
[02:21] <milo_> Daily builds? Repositories? Where is "configure touchpad"?
[02:21] <Kwashiorkor> vsrao: sorry, i dont know, i dont use it. but try to give a look at kde system settings
[02:22] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: what do you want to know....?
[02:22] <vsrao> Kwashiorkor: I did. Thanks anyway.
[02:22] <Kwashiorkor> vsrao: ok, its strange...
[02:23] <Kwashiorkor> vsrao: are you on a notebook or desktop computer?
[02:23] <milo_> So a daily build is like an update then?
[02:23] <vsrao> Kwashiorkor: Desktop. I clicked on the button by chance.
[02:24] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: no... daily build is software compiled from svn or git. updates are updates....
[02:25] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: usualy daily builds are unstable versions of sofware, witch developers use to test new versions. its the oposite of stable build
[02:25] <milo_> trying to get my browsers going so I can take this bright white scree off and make the color green on black like it was with firefox. I alternate between firefox and chrome and it seems to work better that way. But some pictures don't show up on green on black so...
[02:25] <milo_> Interesting, and so the repository is just the data files where it's installed from/
[02:25] <milo_> ?
[02:26] <milo_> typo
[02:28] <milo_> I'm running a 32 bit system I think. So I think I'm supposed to grab the 32deb...
[02:28] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: yes and yes
[02:29] <milo_> Excellent...
[02:29] <milo_> Wow. A chat room that's useful and nobody is trying to send me pictures of their penis.
[02:29] <milo_> Not used to that.
[02:29] <milo_> Don't go on Omegle. Just saying. Unless you're into that.
[02:31] <Kwashiorkor> ...
[02:31] <milo_> Yeah, anyway. It says "Installing Dependencies" but there's no status bar.
[02:31] <milo_> Hmmm...
[02:32] <Kimlaroux> Status bars are patented by Microsoft
[02:32] <milo_> Kinda looks frozen to me. Should I put it in the microwave?
[02:32] <Kimlaroux> no
[02:32] <szal> lol
[02:32] <milo_> Oh is that right?
[02:32] <milo_> Haha.
[02:32] <milo_> Thanks.
[02:32] <milo_> I'll try the toaster oven. It usually tastes better, even if it takes longer, but it's worth it.
[02:33] <Kimlaroux> it might be pulling gnome over though
[02:33] <milo_> So wait, I can't get a status bar on these suckas? This whole Linux thing is gonna take some getting used to.
[02:33] <Kimlaroux> what are you installing?
[02:33] <milo_> "Package Installer - google-chrome-stable
[02:33] <Kimlaroux> Nah, there are status bars... just not all the time
[02:34] <Kimlaroux> through KPackageKit?
[02:34] <szal> software patents are a bunch of bullcrap anyway
[02:34] <milo_> Er uh...
[02:34] <milo_> I just clicked download from the website. Put said "Install" put in my password.
[02:34] <milo_> That seemed to work for the Adobe Flash apt.
[02:35] <milo_> Torballs, still haven't figured those out yet, but I'll get to those in time. Wanna get my WPA up and running first.
[02:35] <Kimlaroux> Oh you're installing the .deb from google?
[02:36] <milo_> I got it on Ubuntu the first time I did it and I told somebody and they said that was pretty impressive. Then I reformatted and couldn't get it again!
[02:36] <milo_> D'oh!
[02:37] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: there is a button that you can press and it will show you progress, at last in 11.04 its like this
[02:37] <milo_> Then I heard about Backtrack and a site said to start with Kubuntu first, and even though Ubuntu was frustrating, I didn't want to give up on it. My mistake. I should have just moved on.
[02:37] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: i guess its "details" button
[02:37] <szal> milo_: jfyi, BackTrack is not supported here
[02:37] <milo_> Yeah, I closed it out. It was taking too long.
[02:38] <Kwashiorkor> ok
[02:38] <Kwashiorkor> it takes
[02:38] <Kwashiorkor> be used to that
[02:38] <milo_> Yeah, I just heard that Kubuntu is the place to start if you want to start using Backtrack. I think that's what it said on the Backtrack site, and security is pretty important to me 'cause I've had people go through my computer and things many times.
[02:39] <milo_> Yeah, kinda buggy.
[02:39] <milo_> Oh, ok. So it's the QApt Package installer by default...let's see what else we have here.
[02:40] <milo_> Hmmm... no other option given. I would have to select the program myself.
[02:42] <milo_> Ok, it worked this time.  Need to wet my chops.
[02:46] <milo_> Get some experience first.
[02:46] <milo_> I suppose it will take some time.
[02:46] <Kwashiorkor> lol
[02:46] <milo_> Don't really hang out with computer people. They always try to get me to watch anime and I stopped when I was a kid (29 now)
[02:47] <milo_> So yeah, trying to read forums has been frustrating.
[02:48] <milo_> There's a lot more GUI in this version. I read that Mint is good too. Think I just went with Ubuntu because of the orange was catchy. That's what I get!
[02:49] <milo_> What do you guys like about Kubuntu, what made you guys decide to use it?
[02:49] <Kimlaroux> it's sexy and it works
[02:51] <Kwashiorkor> freedom, easy of use, huge amount of software availabe, secure (compared to windows) and i'm a kde fan
[02:51] <milo_> Know of any good cpu widgets that look like gauges? I'm trying to get me one of those.
[02:52] <Kwashiorkor> and it suited perfectly on my hardware without any flaws
[02:52] <Kwashiorkor> no
[02:52] <milo_> Nutz. I had that on windows. I really liked it.
[02:52] <milo_> Yeah, it seems like a lot of fun.
[02:55] <milo_> Or should I say challenging
[02:55] <milo_> Cause it swings both ways.
[02:55] <milo_> Trying to get my WPA working has been a battle.
[02:57] <Kwashiorkor> i abandoned wireless on kde4 some time ago, it simply doesnt work correctly for in every distro that i tried. it seems to be some problem related to kde4 because on gnome2 and kde3 it works perfectly (using same hardware)
[02:58] <Kwashiorkor> so i bought a new wireless router and used wired connection from it
[02:58] <Kimlaroux> The first thing I do when I install kde is remove the network manager and install Wicd
[02:58] <milo_> I think I'm on kde 5. I really need wifi though.
[02:58] <Kimlaroux> Wicd just works
[02:58] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: i never heard about it, will check it out. thank you.
[02:58] <milo_> Hmmm...
[02:59] <milo_> Not familiar with network management. I only know what I learned in my COMPtia security + class and that was over my head when I took it.
[02:59] <Kwashiorkor> screenshots are really cool!
[03:00] <Kwashiorkor> knetworkmanager on kde4 is a real pain... forget about it
[03:00] <Kimlaroux> yeah it's a very well built tool
[03:01] <Kimlaroux> once it's setup you forget about it. It's still easy to configure a new wifi network on the fly, just a flew clicks away
[03:01] <Kwashiorkor> provided that it works, it will solve many issues with me on other distros
[03:01] <Kimlaroux> hell it even works on my college's wifi network
[03:01] <Kwashiorkor> understood, very good, i sure will check it out when needed
[03:01] <milo_> But it won't get WPA working?
[03:01] <Kimlaroux> milo_, I bet it will
[03:02] <milo_> Oh, ok. Just a different way.
[03:02] <Kimlaroux> but I recommend you go read about apt and software repositories first
[03:02] <Kwashiorkor> i see thats its available from ubuntu repos, good.
[03:03] <Kimlaroux> yep, it's a few apt-get away
[03:03] <Kwashiorkor> :-)
[03:04] <milo_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:04] <Kimlaroux> ah and it even configures your wired networks
[03:04] <Kwashiorkor> great! :D
[03:04] <Kimlaroux> so it fully replaces kde's network-manager
[03:05] <milo_> Sweet. On ubuntu, I was trying to get it going and the best I could do was have it be on for a minute, only to cut out and ask for my password again.
[03:05] <Kwashiorkor> i will be sure to check it out when i install a rpm based distro like opensuse, for now im using wired connection
[03:06] <Kwashiorkor> Kimlaroux: do you _delete_ knetworkmanager/networkmanager?
[03:06] <Kimlaroux> yes, I purge it
[03:06] <Kimlaroux> before installing wicd
[03:06] <Kimlaroux> and reboot in between, just for good measure
[03:06] <Kwashiorkor> ok
[03:07] <Kimlaroux> I believe there's a few tutorial on how to replace knetworkmanager with wicd
[03:08] <Kwashiorkor> nice
[03:08] <Kwashiorkor> i've just bookmarked it on delicious
[03:08] <milo_> It's funny, I got you too confused. Don't know if you caught that.
[03:09] <Kwashiorkor> milo_: what's confusing??
[03:09] <milo_> It's the light blue, the K at the beginning and all the vowels.
[03:09] <jacobo> hola
[03:09] <milo_> Kwashiorkor and Kimlaroux
[03:09] <milo_> or should I say Kimshirkor and Kwashlaroux
[03:10] <milo_> That's kinda catchy and easier for me to say for some reason. Maybe I'll change my name to that...
[03:10] <milo_> One's french and the othe ones is...
[03:11] <milo_> Malnutrition?
[03:11] <milo_> That's kinda funny.
[03:11] <milo_> In a dark way.
[03:14] <dexter_> oalala
[03:14] <jacobo> hla
[03:14] <Kwashiorkor> hi dexter and jacobo
[03:14] <dexter_> hi , , merry christmas :)
[03:14] <jacobo> hi
[03:14] <Kwashiorkor> merry cmas ;-)
[03:14] <milo_> Happy Festivus/Yak shaving day.
[03:15] <Kimlaroux> Christmas is not supported here
[03:15] <Kwashiorkor> lol
[03:15] <dexter_> why kimala?
[03:15] <milo_> It's proprietary (sp?)
[03:15] <dexter_> i meant kimlaroux hehe
[03:16] <milo_> Ha, I did that too.
[03:16] <Kimlaroux> yeah with so many people, using tab isn't always a good idea
[03:16] <Kimlaroux> and I was just trolling, btw
[03:17] <dexter_> what is better, , , kubuntu , , or unity?
[03:17] <Kwashiorkor> for sure kubuntu... but you will a different answer if you ask it on ubuntu channel.....
[03:18] <dexter_> yea coz its the ubuntu channel  . .
[03:18] <Kwashiorkor> unity is bloated software
[03:18] <jacobo> hola
[03:18] <jacobo> feliz navidad
[03:18] <dexter_> but my KDE seems to be slower since i upgraded my videocard  , why is that?
[03:19] <Kwashiorkor> have you installed correctly the video drivers?
[03:19] <dexter_> i haven't installed anything yet . . .  how do i install drivers?
[03:19] <Kwashiorkor> thats why your video is slow
[03:20] <dexter_> im just a week old at ubuntu , , so i don't know :)
[03:20] <Kwashiorkor> you need to install video drivers, and get accelerated video
[03:20] <milo_> Yeah, I usually ask for Pro/Cons versus asking which is better.
[03:20] <Kwashiorkor> whats your video card?
[03:21] <Kimlaroux> milo_, hit Alt + F2, type in Driver, click on the button that appears bellow
[03:21] <dexter_> i don't know the the name , , but i think its intel accelerated graphics? . . thats what it says on the BIs
[03:21] <dexter_> "bios
[03:21] <Kwashiorkor> well, most of the times kubuntu has a good default video driver that stick very good, but anyway if its slower and you didnt installed video drivers, its time to do it...
[03:22] <Kimlaroux> dexter_, if your wifi doesn't work, you might need to install the driver for it there too
[03:22] <Kimlaroux> if it shows up
[03:22] <Kimlaroux> oups, just noticed I sent the message to the wrong person
[03:23] <Kwashiorkor> he got it ;)
[03:23] <Kimlaroux> dexter_, see what I said to milo
[03:23] <dexter_> yea i see it lol
[03:23] <milo_> Interesting...
[03:24] <dexter_> aah, , so thats for me?? . . hehe ,  ill try it now
[03:24] <Kimlaroux> well, for both of your actually XD
[03:24] <Kwashiorkor> hehe
[03:24] <Kimlaroux> milo_, if your wifi doesn't work, you might need to install the driver for it in this app
[03:25] <milo_> It says broadcom sta
[03:25] <Kimlaroux> activate it
[03:25] <milo_> I remember there was another option before when I messed with it.
[03:25] <Kwashiorkor> lol
[03:25] <Kimlaroux> that's the driver for your wifi card
[03:25] <Kimlaroux> yeah the driver for the video card shows up there too
[03:25] <milo_> So WPA and wifi are different?
[03:25] <milo_> Oh, I might need the video driver too.
[03:26] <milo_> I haven't installed anything either.
[03:26] <Kimlaroux> WPA is just the security encoding used on a wifi network
[03:26] <milo_> Oh, so it's the same thing. Gotcha.
[03:26] <Kimlaroux> there's WPA and WEP
[03:26] <Kimlaroux> and a bunch of other sub types of those
[03:26] <milo_> BRB, gonna restart
[03:26] <dexter_> it said "no proprietary driver are in use on this system" . . . ??
[03:27] <milo_> Oh wait, I should uninstall/purge the wireless manager first huh?
[03:27] <Kwashiorkor> wifi = wireless fidelity (or simply wireless, the technology that transmit data with no wires...) and WPA = a security protocol used to connect to a wireless network
[03:27] <Kimlaroux> no, milo_ that's something different
[03:28] <Kwashiorkor> as Kimlaroux stated, there are other security protocols like WEP (but WPA2 is the most secure of then actualy)
[03:28] <Kwashiorkor> as far as i know
[03:28] <Kimlaroux> dexter_, there's nothing in the first box? I'm wondering if you need to activate the universe and restricted sources
[03:29] <milo_> What the...? I saved a bookmark in chrome and it's not there!
[03:29] <milo_> I'll just restart now.
[03:29] <dexter_> Kimlaroux_, i remember activating something like that when i installed an application , , or something ,  ,
[03:30] <Kimlaroux> dexter_, in kpackagekit, you can select which repositories you use in the settings page
[03:31] <Kimlaroux> I select all of them
[03:31] <Kimlaroux> be default they are not all selected
[03:31] <dexter_> Kimlaroux_, i just installed Kubuntu plasma netbook from the repository , ,
[03:31] <dexter_> ok ill try that :)
[03:33] <Kwashiorkor> well... i need to go now
[03:33] <Kwashiorkor> see you all :-)
[03:33] <Kimlaroux> bye
[03:33] <Kwashiorkor> good night
[03:33] <dexter_> bye  . .  :)
[03:35] <dexter_> it seems like i got lost with what i am doing . . . lol . .
[03:36] <Kimlaroux> haha, it happens sometimes
[03:36] <Kimlaroux> You said you upgraded your videocard, what did you install?
[03:36] <dexter_> here,  it happens a lot  . . haha
[03:38] <dexter_> i changed a lot , ,, motherboard , , RAM  , , and USB , ,   i think its Just the CASE and the hard drive thats not changed . . XD
[03:39] <dexter_> videocard is onboard intel accelerated graphics , , ,and a PCI Geforce8 . . . . my previous motherboard got busted , ,
[03:39] <Kimlaroux> you changed all that without reinstalling linux?
[03:39] <dexter_> yeah , ,
[03:39] <Kimlaroux> hhmm
[03:39] <Kimlaroux> surprising it still boots =P
[03:40] <Kimlaroux> What is your monitor connected to, the geforce or the intel?
[03:40] <dexter_> well . . i got problems booting it up , , , i did a lot of boot configurations before it boot up XD
[03:40] <Kimlaroux> eh
[03:40] <dexter_> for now, , its on the INTEL , ,coz the geforce one is slow
[03:40] <Kimlaroux> if I were you, I'd reinstall from new
[03:41] <Kimlaroux> the geforce is pluged in and the intel still works?
[03:41] <dexter_> i disabled it from bios , , hehe
[03:41] <Kimlaroux> Ah, that's why
[03:41] <Kimlaroux> most motherboard will disable the onboard video when an external one is detected
[03:42] <dexter_> mine has an option which on to set as primary  . .
[03:42] <Kimlaroux> did you change your processor?
[03:43] <dexter_> yeah , , coz its with the motherboard . . its 3Ghz .
[03:43] <dexter_> the last one was just 2Ghz
[03:44] <Kimlaroux> Right, I highly recommend reinstalling Linux then
[03:44] <dexter_> oh , , i forgot to tell . . . i upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 last night , ,
[03:44] <dexter_> hoping that it will fix the problem
[03:45] <dexter_> so ill have to reinstall everthing again then , , , , hehe
[03:45] <Kimlaroux> meh
[03:45] <Kimlaroux> well it's probably not necessary, but it can only be a good idea to do so
[03:46] <Kimlaroux> That way, Ubuntu will install the right driver and configure itself to your hardware
[03:46] <Kimlaroux> cause right now it's configured to your old hardware
[03:46] <Kimlaroux> which can get troublesome
[03:46] <dexter_> yeah , , i think thats it!! :)
[03:47] <milo_> Yo
[03:48] <dexter_> Kimlaroux_, thanks dude . .
[04:49] <Santa_Claus> Ho ho ho; merry Christmas!
[05:26] <milo_> Meeeeeerrrrrry Christmas
[05:32] <milo_> Hey, anybody out there still?
[05:33] <Kimlaroux> no
[05:33] <milo_> Darn...
[05:34] <milo_> Hey, Kimlaroux. Trying to perge the wireless before installing Wicd. Would you have any idea of how to check what I need to purge?
[05:37] <milo_> This place is dead. What, are people, like, celebrating Christmas or something?
[05:40] <milo_> Nevermind
[05:40] <milo_> How to use Wicd instead of Network Manager - EasyPeasy Wiki
[05:40] <milo_> oops!
[05:41] <milo_> milo@InSpieRon:~$ sudo apt-get remove --purge knetworkmanager network-manager
[05:41] <milo_> Reading package lists... Done
[05:41] <milo_> Building dependency tree
[05:41] <milo_> Reading state information... Done
[05:41] <FloodBotK3> milo_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:41] <milo_> E: Unable to locate package knetworkmanager
[05:41] <milo_> milo@InSpieRon:~$ apt-get remove network-manager-kde
[05:42] <milo_> Thanks for asking politely...then setting up a ban! WT...?
[05:42] <milo_> Oh, thanks.
[05:43] <milo_> Hey, can anybody explain this Flood/pastebin business?
[05:44] <milo_> *bussiness
[05:44] <milo_> Oh, looks like I was right the first time.
[05:51] <SJr> I want to install Kubuntu on a fresh hard drive on a Mac Mini
[05:51] <SJr> how do I do that
[05:55] <milo_> Let's see if I can come up with something...
[05:56] <milo_> Never done it before. There seems to be a decent amount of posts.
[05:56] <milo_> Anybody here with any experience?
[05:56] <milo_> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=kubuntu+for+mac+mini#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=installing+kubuntu+for+mac+mini&pbx=1&oq=installing+kubuntu+for+mac+mini&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=6728l7784l0l7919l11l8l0l0l0l4l200l962l3.4.1l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=5bb537c3522b5ae9&biw=1280&bih=657
[05:56] <FloodBotK3> milo_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:58] <Snowhog> SJr: You might look at http://dustin.li/2011/05/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-04-on-a-mac-mini/
[06:03] <SJr> No I need more specific information
[06:03] <SJr> Hmmmm maybe I will try installing as a usb drive and fixing later
[06:05] <milo_> Sorry. I don't have any experience. I'm still working on installing Wicd
[06:39] <terryg> How can I rebuild a  corrupt /var/lib/dpkg/status file ?
[06:40] <terryg> any takers to my problem :)
[06:55] <Unit193> ...Wow
[06:57] <Snowhog> !ops
[06:59] <Kimlaroux> the floodbot if flooding the channell... ironic
[07:01] <Snowhog> JonathanD: Need help I think. The FloodBot's are at war with each other!
[07:23] <Snowhog> ops
[07:28] <Snowhog> !ops | Riddell apachelogger claydoh_
[07:48] <Snowhog> !kubuntu-devl
[07:48] <Snowhog> !kubuntu-dev
[07:52] <milo_> Hey everybody.
[07:52] <milo_> Sup.
[08:47] <Snowhog> !ops | Hobbsee Tm_T Nalioth seth imbrandon gnomefreak nixternal ryanakca mneptok PriceChild tsimpson jussi Pici ikonia genii Mamarok maco seele Nightrose rgreening txwikinger
[08:53] <Snowhog> dax: Are you able to look into the FloodBot problem here? They have been at each other for over two hours now.
[08:55] <dax> Snowhog: perhaps.
[09:20] <Snowhog> dax: Much better. Thank you.
[10:10] <Deckard_25> hi, I have a question related to cpufrequency tunign and games
[10:10] <Deckard_25> when I'm playing nexuiz with ondemand which is a default governor nexuiz performance is weak
[10:10] <Deckard_25> when I switch to performance governor nexuiz becomes playable
[10:11] <Deckard_25> is there any way to make the switch automatic?
[10:11] <Deckard_25> or maybe ondemand is broken, because it doesn't maximize CPU frequency when playing demanding games?
[10:12] <Deckard_25> I had the same in Fedora and Arch
[12:09] <kaddi> what's a good tool to convert pdfs into kindle
[12:44] <rohdef> I have set that when my laptop lid is closed is shouldn't do anything, but it seems that it still do some kind of semi-standby, since the computer is very slow when I reopen the lid, like it's recaching my things
[12:45] <rohdef> I'm not at all satisfied with that behavior (I set it to "do nothing" for a reason). So how do I make it actually do nothing?
[12:45] <rohdef> Kubuntu 11.10, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:45] <rohdef> *3.0.0-14
[13:38] <utente> Is there a way to make the Kmenu taller?
[13:39] <gops> how to find the blue tooth chip set in kubuntu
[13:42] <utente> lspci or lsusb
[13:43] <utente> in terminal
[13:45] <gops> ya it is listing something but i dont know which is bluethooth chip set
[13:47] <gops> @utente can you please check the outputhttp://pastebin.com/nQcFeG3V
[13:48] <BluesKaj_> Hi to all , and to all a very Merry Christmas
[14:04] <pascal> salut
[16:40] <Sharpshooter> hai guys ! Just now I installed Kde On ubuntu 11.10 I like the Whole style but the Gtk  theme is like the old W!N 95 style how to change that !
[16:51] <Kwashiorkor> Sharpshooter: you say that have already installed kde, so you should be able to select oxygen and other themes. if not, install oxygen theme and/or look for other themes.
[16:53] <yofel> Sharpshooter: for the main gnome apps in oneiric there's not much you can do, the Oxygen theme for Gtk3 isn't in the archive yet. - And gtk doesn't support Qt themes.
[16:54] <yofel> firefox and other gtk2 applications shouldn't look bad though
[16:55] <kimal73> hello, On kubuntu I have a problem that I haven't on ubuntu, the problem applies to the iPhone for the camera. I can download the files. I see it down the notification bar, but I can not see the two devices or the iPhone or the camera. That I can not see mounted on dolphin as two hd.
[17:01] <Sharpshooter> yofel, Is there any way to change the Icon themes ?
[17:02] <yofel> you can change the KDE icons in system settings -> application appearance -> icons. At least for Oxygen
[17:08] <Sharpshooter> yofel, can I install any ubuntu icon themes in  Kde ?
[17:09] <yofel> no idea, I'm using the default theme and haven't tried the others
[17:11] <Sharpshooter> yofel, Ok
[17:12] <Kwashiorkor> Sharpshooter: there are many icon themes that you can install from the internet in kde system settings, maybe there is one that is ok for you
[17:13] <bretzel> Aye! I've enabled userdir in apache but any php scriptdoes not work... as if there is no php module for userdir
[17:14] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor, Can I install faenza Icon themes in Kde , I installed it on gnome and unity ?
[17:16] <Kwashiorkor> Sharpshooter: i dont know about availability of specific icon themes, but you can search new installable icon themes in the internet at the kde system settings
[17:16] <e01> hello
[17:16] <Kwashiorkor> maybe there is this one there, or even one that suits for you
[17:16] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor, ok
[17:16] <Kwashiorkor> there are really many downloadeable icon themes there
[17:17] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor, Thanks man !
[17:17] <e01> can somebody tell me how to connect to windows ad hoc
[17:17] <Kwashiorkor> ok
[17:18] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor, And I would also like to know how to change the sound themes in kde ,also how to for custom  sounds themes ?
[17:21] <Kwashiorkor> i have never messed with sound themes, so sorry, i cannot answer this
[17:22] <Kwashiorkor> but judging the customization level that a gnu/linux operating system provides, i can mostly certain say that its possible
[17:23] <Kwashiorkor> even though somethings require a little hardwork to do
[17:23] <Sharpshooter> yofel, Kwashiorkor , I Installed Ubo-icons  themes it is working perfect ! :)
[17:23] <Kwashiorkor> nice, good to know that you are having a good experienice with kde!  ;-)
[17:24] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor, you know where is the sound theme conf file in kde ?
[17:24] <Kwashiorkor> no, i dont
[17:24] <robert___> 123
[18:02] <ubuntu> ahoz
[18:02] <ubuntu> oops
[18:06] <sheepie> hello. anyone familiar with the GRUB setup? i upgraded my kubuntu 11.04 to 11.10... erased my xp bootloader, but now i have grub with ONLY my XP system to choose.. i am online with live CD now. how can i edit the GRUB on my hd installed kubuntu from here?
[18:29] <alekseev_sergey> Hello, Peoples!
[18:45] <soee> hiho
[18:52] <Sharpshooter> anybody know how to move the bottom panel to top ?
[18:52] <Sharpshooter> in Kde ?
[18:53] <Sharpshooter> yofel,  you know how to move the panel in KDE ?
[18:54] <Sharpshooter> Kwashiorkor,  you know how to move the panel in KDE ?
[18:54] <MerryResistance> !repeat Sharpshooter
[18:54] <MerryResistance> !repeat | Sharpshooter
[18:55] <Sharpshooter> oOps
[18:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> Hello, ever since I installed kubuntu 11.10, when I open amarok, I always have to resize it because it doesn't keep the size after I close and open the window. Has anybody had this happen to them? How can I fix it?
[19:12] <Snowhog> gundam_rx78nt1: This worked for Thunderbird, and the underlying 'quirk' may be affecting Amarok, so it won't hurt to try:  Do this. Launch Thunderbird. Then click-drag it to a smaller window size (it doesn't matter how much smaller - just make it smaller than when it started). Now use the maximize button and then File > Quit. Relaunch and see if it remembered it's full-screen size.
[19:12] <Snowhog> gundam_rx78nt1: Launching Amarok of course, not TT.
[19:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> Snowhog, thanks that worked.
[19:15] <Snowhog> gundam_rx78nt1: Glad it worked.
[19:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> Now, everytime I start up my desktop, I get a synaptiks error saying that no touchpad is found... I don't have one. HOw do I stop that error from showing up? I searched the forum and the online wikis but all talk about having the touchpad and not configuring it correctly.
[19:21] <soee> gundam_rx78nt1, not surebut look what you have in System Settings -> Input devices -> Touchpad
[19:22] <Kwashiorkor> gundam_rx78nt1: try this. system settings -> application and system notifications -> other notifications -> disable one or more checkboxes
[19:25] <Kwashiorkor> gundam_rx78nt1: if this doesnt work, try messing with system settings -> application and system notifications -> manage notifications -> applications -> in "event source" select "KDE Workspace" -> disable "show message in a popup" checkbox for something that could be warning it (like "Warning" and/or "Notification")
[19:26] <Kwashiorkor> gundam_rx78nt1: also disable "play a sound" checkbox in same places
[19:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> The system settings Input devices under touchpad it say none detected.
[19:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> I will look at the system notifications
[19:27] <Kwashiorkor> ok, try it
[19:49] <milo_> Wow. A lot of people having trouble with their touchpads.
[19:50] <milo_> Thankfully mine still works even though I haven't installed any drivers yet. By the way, how do I install the drivers onto my computer again? The disk that came with my computer doesnt' seem to be compatible.
[19:51] <milo_> I'm trying to get wicd to work still. But the code in terminal doesn't seem to work with the directions I get. I get a gedit command not found.
[20:39] <XVampireX> Roey: Hey? :P
[20:59] <utente> I uninstalled desktop themes however they are still in the list. How do I remove them?
[21:46] <lucka> hello
[22:15] <sebo28> pardus
[22:15] <sebo28> kde+pardus
[23:06] <macram> hi guys, merry christmas, happy holidays or happy december the 26th ;)
[23:08] <frogonwheels> macram: *yawn* Yesterday's  news   but thanks anyway :)
[23:09] <macram> does anyone else have problems installing software in kubuntu 11.10?
[23:10] <macram> i tried to install a program from Muon Software Center, I tried to start it but it didn't launch, Muon crashed and I can't find the icon in the launcher
[23:10] <macram> but i can find it if i press Alt+F2