[12:12] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, ok im going to introduce you to man pages
[12:12] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, type "man ln" in konsole
[12:12] <Sanne> pieman: yes, there's a way I think. The default install of php is as an apache module, but I believe theres also a binary you can run from the cli. Let me look.
[12:13] <philphoto> yeah, I have a bit of a problem with man pages
[12:13] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, oh, ok
[12:13] <philphoto> because to look up the page you want to see, you need to know what the nomenclature for the app is.
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, what ln does is link a file from one location to another
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, sort of like a shortcut
[12:14] <philphoto> ok
[12:14] <Sanne> pieman: I guess it would be the package php4-cli, look at the description here, sounds like it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/web/php4-cli
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the syntax goes ln -s <actual file> <link>
[12:15] <pieman> Sanne, thanks.
[12:15] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, the system sees the link as the actual file, without having to copy the whole thing over
[12:15] <Sanne> pieman: lol, this is good: "if you're frightened of perl and python" ;)
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, so i would suggest creating a link to the library file where the system is looking for it
[12:17] <philphoto> ok, would that look like: <ln -s "/usr/lib/iscan/libesint54.so" "/usr/lib/libesint54.so">  ?
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, yup, without the <> braces
[12:18] <dsmith_> where does java load to?
[12:18] <dsmith_> typically
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, also quotes not necessary
[12:18] <philphoto> hitmanWilly: of course.  sweet.  thanks so much.
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> np
[12:18] <philphoto> quotes are NOT necessary in this respect?
[12:18] <dsmith_> "/usr/lib/ jvm??
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, variables, yes, system commands. no
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, but they won't hurt anything
[12:19] <Cosmo_>  I downloaded the .debs for my brother 1840c printer since it is not on the list that comes up when adding a printer, but when I install the .deb it still doesn't come up on the list. What am I doing wrong?
[12:19] <pieman> Sanne: lol, i would prefer to write my script in perl/python, but i dunno how! :p
[12:19] <philphoto> ok, is there anything that is needed to go between the two file paths?
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, nope
[12:19] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, a space
[12:19] <dsmith_> nm I found it
[12:19] <dsmith_> I as right
[12:19] <dsmith_> :)
[12:20] <philphoto> cool, cool.  I'll let you know if it  works
[12:20] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, which reminds me, you DO need quotes anytime a path or filename has a space in it
[12:20] <Sanne> pieman: heh. php is nice. But I can recommend python, it's easy to pick up, actually. I also knew php first, but I have already scripted my first little scripts in python. It's great.
[12:21] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, which is why linux people like -'s or _'s :)
[12:22] <pieman> Sanne: I think i will check it out at some point...I use java for most of my programming needs, but for very simple stuff with mysql, i am much happier with php, since the development speed is much faster as it doesn't complain about much :p
[12:22] <Sanne> pieman: if you ever want to have a go, this one has helped me tremendously: http://swaroopch.info/text/Byte_of_Python:Main_Page
[12:22] <macabro22> excuse me. How do I check if I have the right video driver installed?
[12:23] <pieman> Sanne: does python come with a mysql connection module by default?
[12:23] <hitmanWilly> pieman, i don't think so, but it has one available
[12:23] <Sanne> pieman: I guess it's somewhere in the repositories, but I don't know if it's also installed already. I guess not, since python is so very modular. Let me look.
[12:23] <hitmanWilly> pieman, python-sql, i think
[12:24] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: how can I test the symblic link I just created?
[12:24] <pieman> in terms of performance, in executing from command line, which is going to be fastest and less system intensive for updating a mysql database, perl/python or php?
[12:25] <Sanne> pieman: it's python-mysqldb. I have it installed, and can't remember to have done it manually. It might be there already.
[12:25] <philphoto_> sorry if I posted that twice.  router just reset & I may have duplicated the msg
[12:25] <hitmanWilly> philphoto, just ls the directory and see if its there
[12:26] <pieman> Sanne, thanks, i'll probably have a go at this soon.
[12:26] <Sanne> pieman: I dunno about performance. As a hunch, I would say php is mainly made for the web, python and pperl for scripting, so they might be faster. But that's just an uninformed guess.
[12:26] <Sanne> pieman: you're welcome, have fun
[12:27] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: yup, it's there
[12:27] <pieman> but they are all interpreted languages...so i wonder how much difference there is...
[12:27] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, good, should work then
[12:28] <korrx> macabro22: lsmod |grep agpgart
[12:28] <Sanne> pieman: yeah, would be interesting to know.
[12:28] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, unless the problem lies elsewhere
[12:28] <philphoto_> well, the problem is that the scanner utility reports the scanner has been found, but no driver is installed
[12:28] <philphoto_> yeah.
[12:29] <shawn34> ok guys, i've installed my wireless driver but having problems configuring and enabling... can anyone help me out?
[12:29] <shawn34> i was able to do this no problem in gnome
[12:29] <shawn34> not that its any different
[12:30] <_arafat> shawn34: have you tried knetworkmanager?
[12:31] <shawn34> _arafat: installed by default?
[12:31] <shawn34> where do i find it
[12:31] <shawn34> these menus are a little confusing
[12:31] <philphoto_> hitmanWilly: what is gcc 3.2/3.3?  vice gcc 3.4 or later?  is this a Linux kernel somethingorother?
[12:31] <shawn34> im from a gnome background
[12:31] <shawn34> lol
[12:31] <_arafat> shawn34: not sure whether it's installed by default...
[12:31] <_arafat> j
[12:31] <_arafat> shawn34: just try to start it:-)
[12:32] <korrx> philphoto C++ copiler
[12:32] <shawn34> _arafat: i already did
[12:32] <shawn34> its not starting
[12:32] <_arafat> shawn34: but it's installed?
[12:32] <philphoto_> korrx: how do I find out which I'm using?  it appears that's an issue with this driver i'm trying to install
[12:34] <korrx> philphoto : gcc --version
[12:34] <philphoto_> thx
[12:34] <korrx> you're welcome
[12:35] <Sanne> philphoto: if you compile a kernel module, you must use the same gcc version that was used to build the kernel. You can see that with: cat /proc/version
[12:36] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, sorry, away for a sec
[12:36] <korrx> Sanne : YES !
[12:37] <Sanne> korrx: :)
[12:38] <korrx> cd /pub && more beer
[12:39] <hitmanWilly> korrx, actually shouldn't that be cd /pub && beer | less? i know, its not as funny that way :)
[12:39] <korrx> ;)
[12:40] <korrx> less beer is sad
[12:40] <hitmanWilly> less is more :)
[12:40] <korrx> :P
[12:42] <philphoto_> my computer has no love for the scanner.  :(
[12:42] <hitmanWilly> philphoto_, spitting out more errors, or the same one?
[12:42] <philphoto_> stupid @$$ drivers
[12:42] <korrx> computer has no feeling either
[12:42] <philphoto_> same one
[12:42] <korrx> :D
[12:43] <os2mac> how do you modify the Grub boot menu?
[12:43] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, /boot/grub/menu.lst is the config file
[12:43] <Sanne> os2mac: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (make a backup first)
[12:43] <philphoto_> "VueScan found an Epson Perfection 4490, but no Epson software for this scanner was found on your system. Try downloading a driver for this scanner from www.avasys.jp/english. See the VueScan Release Notes for more information."
[12:43] <korrx> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:43] <shawn34> can someone please help me get my wifi working?
[12:43] <sha> Hello, i use X.org and i have a nvidia graphical card, do someone know how i can set my brightness/HUE/saturation for my desktop, and not for the videos only ?
[12:44] <shawn34> driver is installed and hardware is there
[12:44] <shawn34> but i can't enable it
[12:44] <soulrider> sha: just a second
[12:44] <soulrider> shawn34: i dont ahve wifi so i cant help you :(
[12:45] <soulrider> sha, in desktop right click > configure desktop > display > monitor gamma
[12:45] <hitmanWilly> sha, there's a gamma option in xorg.conf too, if you want to go that way
[12:46] <sha> soulrider: right click on the desktop, i don't have the "configure desktop" option, and hitmanWilly, if you have  a way yeah, it's also can be usefull
[12:47] <soulrider> sha: oh, im not on kubuntu at the moment actually
[12:47] <sha> because on my nvidia preference, i can set only the brightness and gamma, but not the saturation or HUE, and i want absolutly fix the saturation
[12:47] <sha> and i'm on ubuntu feisty
[12:47] <hitmanWilly> sha, saturation ive got no idea on, except manually on the monitor
[12:48] <sha> even my monitor can't handle it
[12:48] <hitmanWilly> sha, what nvidia card?
[12:48] <philphoto_> sha: are you trying to calibrate your monitor?
[12:48] <sha> i use beryl, and beryl can fix the saturation on the windows, but only for the windows, i need it for the full desktop, and i use a gforce fx 5200
[12:48] <sha> it's a flat screen ACER
[12:49] <philphoto_> are you trying to cal it for image processing/graphics use?
[12:49] <hitmanWilly> sha, do you have the legacy drivers installed, i think the 5200's on the legacy list
[12:49] <sha> yes, but not into the soft, i must  do it for the full desktop
[12:49] <sha> it's not a legacy, i use the regular one
[12:50] <sha> the legacy crash X
[12:50] <korrx> nvidia-settings ; save your tweaks to a file and locate lines related to saturation and update your xorg.conf with that line
[12:50] <sha> korrx: yes i want, but the line saturation don't exist and i have no idea how i can add it as option
[12:50] <philphoto_> right.  I just installed this & it works well: http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/GAMMApage.html
[12:51] <korrx> ok sha
[12:51] <korrx> do you tried with nvidia-settings ?
[12:51] <sha> philphoto: it's a soft, i don't need a soft :p
[12:52] <s0nix> Hi, is there a way to synchronize ALL Kontact information (including all plugins, note, read mail, todo list, contacts) ? cause i want to use this wonderful software on my home pc AND on my laptop. thx for ur answer
[12:52] <philphoto_> well, saturation is an adjustment, not native to most displays
[12:52] <philphoto_> it's going to have to be a software util
[12:52] <sha> korrz: in nvidia-settings, i have Brightness, Contrast, Gamma
[12:53] <sha> saturation is still missing
[12:53] <sha> and i must set it :/
[12:53] <korrx> oops
[12:53] <sha> that the only thign i really need to change
[12:53] <korrx> ;)
[12:53] <philphoto_> what is forcing you to set saturation?
[12:53] <sha> that what i try to know, how i can force the saturation of my screen
[12:54] <sha> Beryl manager can do that, but only for the windows, not for the full desktop
[12:54] <sha> so i wonder if something can do that, because when i google it, all i found about saturation are for gimp or videos
[12:54] <os2mac> ok, how do I turn sudo OFF?
[12:54] <korrx> in mine there is an option slider for brightness... sorry for you Sha..
[12:54] <philphoto> full screen saturation is not an option
[12:55] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, sudo is one time use only
[12:55] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, its not like su
[12:55] <philphoto> there only exist two adjustments on monitors.  contrast and brightness
[12:55] <os2mac> the point is I don't want to have to use it.
[12:56] <sha> philphoto: some monitore have the saturation and it's somethign you can set on every monitore, but 90% of them, the option don't apear at all, so i wonder how i can force it
[12:56] <sha> at least into xorg.conf
[12:56] <philphoto> it all goes back to gamma.
[12:56] <sha> and it's because ppl don't use it, they have removed the option saturation in most of the monitores lol
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, well you can su to get root access, but its not a good idea to stay in that mode
[12:57] <sha> and gamma is not enough :/
[12:57] <philphoto> what kind of saturation do you need?
[12:57] <sha> gamma is limited, how i can force the limit then ?
[12:57] <sha> totaly gray
[12:57] <os2mac> ok lemme ask the question a little differently.
[12:57] <sha> i must remove the color
[12:57] <philphoto> you're trying to create a grayscale monitor?
[12:57] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, or just login as root, but that's a REALLY BAD idea
[12:58] <sha> yes
[12:58] <os2mac> is there a way I can set a program to startup in admin mode (I.E. knetworkmanager) and NOT have to type a password three times everytime I login?
[12:58] <philphoto> ah, you'll need to disable your colors then.
[12:58] <sha> lol how XD
[12:58] <philphoto> I have no idea how.  may I ask why?
[12:59] <sha> that what i try to do since lot of weeks now, and why, because i'm fully colorblind, and for some reason, i can't barely adjust the brightness and contrast of my screen for optimize my work if i don't remove the color first
[01:00] <philphoto> aha.
[01:00] <os2mac> anyone?
[01:00] <Tm_T> sha: let me think...
[01:01] <Tm_T> sha: install kde-guidance
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: then relogin to KDE, start kcontrol and in pheripherals there is display settings now
[01:02] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, it asks for the password for a reason. the only way i can think of would be to use a blank line for a root password, but again that is definately NOT reccommended
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: there should be gamma settings
[01:02] <Tm_T> sha: I think that help for adjusting stuff
[01:02] <sha> Tm_T, i'm installing it, but errr i'm on gnome
[01:03] <Tm_T> sha: I see, dunno about gnome side
[01:03] <Tm_T> sha: tried #ubuntu ?
[01:03] <Sanne> sha: might want to ask in #ubuntu
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> Tm_T, words out of my mouth
[01:03] <sha> hmmmm i see lol, i use konversation lmao, that why i'm on kubuntu
[01:03] <Tm_T> hitmanWilly: I'm not coming near to your mouth, even if you dream of
[01:03] <sha> X3
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:04] <sha> so thank you everyone for your help
[01:04] <sha> i will see on ubuntu :p
[01:04] <os2mac> ok so I have to enter a password for kwallet, knetworkmanager, AND to login. do you see my point?
[01:04] <Tm_T> sha: and if there won't be any help, slap me
[01:05] <sha> Tm_T: carefull, the #ubuntu chan is weird sometime X3
[01:05] <pieman> Sanne: that works great...except it didn't work at first because of an error, so i corrected that, but it still didnt work. so went back online for more help. just sat and looked at it, and i'm trying to parse a file, but using the wrong file name, which is the problem. doh. :p
[01:05] <Tm_T> sha: I have heard it'd busy, so I avoid it
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, kwallet only needs a password once, it leaves a daemon running, but linux is supposed to work that way
[01:06] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, i mean, asking for passwords for system critical stuff
[01:06] <Sanne> pieman: heh, been there :). Hmm, I don't know if you can set up php-cli to spit out errors in a logfile. With the apache module you can do it. Would help with those errors.
[01:07] <os2mac> but I don't think your understanding my annoyance. I have to enter the same password three times before I can't do any work.
[01:07] <pieman> sanne, not a scripting error...there is a line in a file that has to be commented out to make it work
[01:07] <os2mac> sorry before I CAN do any work :)
[01:07] <pieman> although i used c style comment instead of perl at first lol...too late at night for this!
[01:07] <Sanne> pieman: ah ok :)
[01:07] <Tm_T> os2mac: you should see how many passwords I enter when starting computer
[01:08] <Tm_T> os2mac: one reason I keep it running all the time =)
[01:08] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, the only way around that is to login as root, and even then kwallet will still ask for a password on startup
[01:08] <Tm_T> os2mac: and I do use ssh keys etc to avoid passwords
[01:08] <Tm_T> price of security, I rather have it this way than let anyone do stuff around
[01:09] <os2mac> Tm_t: this is a laptop... it's impractical to be able to  be able to leave this computer running all the time.
[01:09] <Tm_T> os2mac: I know, but three passwords isn't much
[01:09] <Tm_T> if needed only when booting AND in some particular cases
[01:09] <os2mac> yes... but it's about 2 too many.
[01:09] <Tm_T> not IMO
[01:11] <os2mac> but IMO there should be a way to grant permissions to a known program upon install to allow to operate.
[01:11] <Tm_T> nope
[01:12] <Tm_T> but you can set kwallet to passwordless
[01:12] <Tm_T> and sudo also
[01:12] <os2mac> how?
[01:12] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, the problem with only entering a password once is that it would have to be stored in memory somewhere, making it vulnerable to a buffer overflow or some such thing
[01:13] <Tm_T> os2mac: kwallet is simple, or should, IIRC it let you set empty password -> passwordless
[01:13] <Tm_T> I don't help with sudo, that IMO would be too unsecurity
[01:13] <os2mac> HitmanWilly. that is an invalid argument. A password is already stored anyway.
[01:14] <Tm_T> but there's tons of documentation for that one so you don't need my help anyway =)
[01:14] <hitmanWilly> os2mac, in an encrypted hdd file, not in ram
[01:14] <K-Ryan> !ati
[01:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <malus> bonjour!
[01:15] <scrubb> Hello
[01:15] <malus> :)
[01:15] <os2mac> TM_t: you still have to enter a password to start the program because it runs in Root
[01:16] <SharpRazor> I need help please anyone!!
[01:16] <scrubb> Me too!
[01:16] <scrubb> heh heh
[01:16] <SharpRazor> i had newest kernel .15 but when I booted to it i had no gui interface
[01:16] <Cosmo_> the NVIDIA x server doesn't have all the settings it had before and it's not recognizing that I have a second monitor connected. how do I fix this?
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> why do you have to enter that many passwords.
[01:17] <scrubb> Eft isn't configuring eth0 correctly...
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> bah, that'll teach me to scroll down before typing
[01:17] <os2mac> Daisuke_ido, anytime a program has to run at Root you have to grant it access.
[01:17] <scrubb> So I can't access the network/internet...
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> that's...  how linux works.
[01:18] <scrubb> Can someone help me troubleshoot?
[01:18] <Joooooooe> hey how do I update adept?
[01:18] <SharpRazor> sudo apt-get update
[01:18] <SharpRazor> You mean repositories?
[01:18] <malus> but how can u enter a pass?
[01:19] <Joooooooe> scrubb: what's the problem?
[01:19] <malus> in root
[01:20] <scrubb> DHCP isn't working.
[01:20] <scrubb> The system sees my ethernet device.
[01:21] <malus> is it possible to desactive dhcp without lost connection?
[01:21] <scrubb> I have no connection to begin with...
[01:21] <scrubb> cept for loopback maybe?
[01:22] <Borg^Queen> hi how do i update adept?
[01:22] <malus> when u use 2 computers u need to use dhcp no?
[01:22] <scrubb> I have a small home network.
[01:23] <malus> how your home network work :p
[01:23] <sha> ok, screw #ubuntu, they are still dumb lol, i'm gonna remove gnome and go on KDE -.-
[01:23] <wolferine> can someone give me a bit of understanding into sound in *buntu?
[01:23] <wolferine> sha, I wouldnt even remove Gnome
[01:23] <wolferine> just keep it
[01:24] <sha> lol
[01:24] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as in what?
[01:24] <malus> but yet
[01:24] <Borg^Queen> sha welcome to the darkside
[01:24] <scrubb> malus, it's a netgear router connected to a cable modem...2 computers on the router.
[01:24] <sha> sudo /etc/init.d/gnm stop ?
[01:24] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, as in what are there, multiple sound codecs, drivers, devices?
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, is the router set up right?
[01:25] <SharpRazor> I installed accidentally ubuntu-desktop, i want to go back to kubuntu, what should i do??
[01:25] <wolferine> sha, check the Ubuntu Guide (google it) and it will show you have to install KDE on top of Gnome
[01:25] <wolferine> or, well side-by-side
[01:26] <sha> thank wolferine :D
[01:26] <wolferine> yeah, sha you might as well keep it
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, well, buntu doesn't come stock with any proprietary sound codecs due to legal issues, but you can get them from the repos
[01:26] <wolferine> you might try it again :)
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as far as drivers, it uses alsa with oss emulation
[01:26] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, so what is the default sound (or what are the types) used in *buntu?
[01:27] <wolferine> yeah, alsa
[01:27] <wolferine> and oss
[01:27] <ratshell> Hello all, is kubuntu any different then ubuntu besides the kde?
[01:27] <wolferine> what are those really, just drivers?
[01:27] <wolferine> ratshell, nope
[01:27] <ratshell> ok you like kde better
[01:27] <sha> found it : sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:27] <wolferine> i use Gnome myself ratshell
[01:27] <ratshell> wolferine, could you do me a favor
[01:27] <wolferine> and just add KDE apps, when I need them
[01:28] <wolferine> sha, the instructions are that easy
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, alsa is the system that talks to the sound drivers
[01:28] <ratshell> Wolferine, could you come to the channel ubuntuhelp
[01:28] <wolferine> ratshell, sorry, not atm
[01:28] <sha> gnome and kde is like win 2000 and win xp i guess
[01:28] <sha> except they have each different appz
[01:28] <ratshell> Okay well when you can please I need to ask you something
[01:28] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, and where is my sound device located, or is there more than one?
[01:28] <ratshell> or sha could you come to the channel ubuntuhelp
[01:29] <sha> what the # ?
[01:29] <wolferine> sha, you can use Gnome apps in KDE, and vice versa
[01:29] <sha> i know
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, most sound device drivers are compiled as kernel modules or straight into the kernel even
[01:29] <sha> i'm myself on Konversation :p
[01:29] <SharpRazor> sorry but i already did this sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:29] <sha> what i meant is KDE and gnome are just a desktop environment
[01:29] <SharpRazor> how can i uninstall whole ubuntu-desktop package??
[01:30] <wolferine> SharpRazor, why would you want to?
[01:30] <ratshell> sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <SharpRazor> i did
[01:30] <ratshell> sudo apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <SharpRazor> it didn't help at all,
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, now apt-get autoremove
[01:30] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, where can I start to read abit more into it, eventually looking into configuring my VMware to run audio...
[01:31] <ratshell> wolferine, you tried virtual box?
[01:31] <wolferine> VMware
[01:31] <wolferine> thats it
[01:31] <sha> also, if i remember for switch of desktop, we can use something like : sudo /usr/init.d/gdm stop  then sudo /usr/init.d/kdm start
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, since the ubuntu-desktop package isn't holding them as dependencies anymore, a LOT of apps should be removed
[01:31] <SharpRazor> oh crap
[01:32] <Sanne> sha: you can switch your desktop at login, with both kdm and gdm
[01:32] <sha> \0/
[01:32] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, what happened?
[01:32] <sha> i forgoten that Sanne
[01:32] <Sanne> sha: :)
[01:32] <sha> just need to choose the option :p
[01:32] <sha> hehe, i'm maybe too much CLI :p
[01:32] <Sanne> haha
[01:33] <SharpRazor> will it uninstall if i'm not in a safe mode??
[01:33] <sha> ((anyway, that cuz i crashed too many time gnome <.<))
[01:33] <hitmanWilly> SharpRazor, what?
[01:33] <SharpRazor> shouldn't I uninstall ubuntu-desktop while in safe mode??
[01:33] <Dasnipa`> um... no
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> it doesnt matter
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> at least i dont think it does
[01:34] <wolferine> hitmanWilly, anything more you can offer?
[01:34] <SharpRazor> ok
[01:34] <Dasnipa`> but im 99% sure it is fine
[01:34] <Arwen> SharpRazor, A) there's no safe mode. B) no, not really
[01:34] <SharpRazor> i will check if it will work sha thank You
[01:34] <SharpRazor> oh by the way, does any of You know a good backup distro?
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, well, you could try google or wikipedia for more info, most of mine comes from experience
[01:35] <Dasnipa`> Arwen, i think hes talking about the kernal safe mode...
[01:35] <wolferine> so alsa?
[01:35] <sosko> hi all
[01:35] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, alsa is maintained by the alsa project, you could check their website
[01:35] <sosko> how do i install libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap modules on kubuntu 6.10
[01:35] <wolferine> but is that a good place to start
[01:35] <Borg^Queen> hi how do i update adept?
[01:35] <Arwen> Dasnipa`, the kernel doesn't have a safe mode...
[01:36] <Cosmo_> the NVIDIA x server doesn't have all the settings it had before and it's not recognizing that I have a second monitor connected. how do I fix this?
[01:36] <sha> i be right back, i'm gonna try KDE :D
[01:36] <wolferine> i would eventually like to record streaming audio as well
[01:36] <sha> \0/ KDE FTW
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, if all you're trying to do is get sound in VMware, try the ubuntu forums
[01:36] <Dasnipa`> Arwen, in grub whenever you get a new kernal 2 lines are added... the new kernal and the safe mode corresponding to it
[01:36] <wolferine> yeah, not just looking to troubleshoot a common problem here
[01:36] <wolferine> just looking to understand the setup better
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as for streaming audio, im pretty sure there's an app out there to do it
[01:36] <jtt> htdig: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-21ubuntu1) but 1:4.1.1-13ubuntu5 is to be installed question is where would i find  1:4.1.1-21ubuntu1
[01:37] <Arwen> Dasnipa`, the kernel doesn't have a a safe mode! you're talking about the "single user mode" which is not part of the kernel...
[01:37] <ratshell> Wolferine, i know how to stream music
[01:37] <Arwen> single user mode = runlevel 1
[01:37] <ratshell> brb
[01:37] <orient2000> #ubuntuhelp
[01:37] <wolferine> ratshell, thats not what I am looking to do
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, if you're feeling particularly curious, there's always the source code to take a look at
[01:38] <wolferine> yeah, thanks hitman
[01:38] <ratshell> wolferine, would you mind coming to channel #ubuntuhelp please
[01:38] <ratshell> just have a question for you
[01:38] <wolferine> ask me here
[01:38] <sha> \0/ i'm on KDE :D
[01:38] <word> kalorin_: :'(
[01:38] <ratshell> please come to that channel, then I will exlain. just real quick that is all I ask
[01:38] <wolferine> nope, sorry
[01:39] <ratshell> Well I can't ask it here, cause certain admin officials do not like my question. And have currently blocked me from three other ubuntu channels because of it.
[01:39] <wolferine> then maybe its not a good question to be asking
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> ratshell, unless its about h4x0ring someone elses's box, just ask it
[01:40] <wolferine> unless :)
[01:40] <ratshell> Okay lets say you ask how to do something okay. Now I have done whatever it is in the past so I suggest something that has worked for me in the past. Do you think that is okay?
[01:41] <wolferine> can you rephrase the question?
[01:41] <_Ace2016_> hi all]
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> ummmmmmm
[01:41] <hitmanWilly> non comprende senior
[01:41] <_Ace2016_> how do i force a disk check? i tripped over the power cable :(
[01:41] <ratshell> Okay like some people having when upgrading to feisty problem with nvidia driver not working.
[01:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ratshell: if it's a general fix or generally well known command, then yes, but if it's a worked-for-me weird solution, then probably not
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> it's a judgement call
[01:42] <ratshell> So I suggested to them something that has worked for me and other people with the card they have.
[01:42] <ratshell> And because some of the officials say it isn't good advice. I got banned for giving it.
[01:42] <ratshell> Do you think this is wrong or right?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> first of all, is ubuntuhelp even an official ubuntu resource?
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> like #ubuntu and #kubuntu are
[01:43] <ratshell> do not know, I just went there and it is open....
[01:43] <wolferine> ratshell, im sure bringing this up with us, well, will do nothing for you
[01:43] <ratshell> I know but just asking as a question
[01:43] <wolferine> well, I asked you to rephrase
[01:43] <ratshell> I did
[01:43] <wolferine> and you didnt, so I cannot really answer
[01:44] <wolferine> u did?
[01:44] <wolferine> sorry
[01:44] <ratshell> Okay I know how to fix a problem you have. Do you think I should tell you how to fix it. Even if this is not an OFFICIAL way to fix it from UBUNUT.
[01:44] <wolferine> didnt notice
[01:44] <Tm_T> ratshell: we are here too ;)
[01:44] <ratshell> Tm_T I am just asking a question
[01:44] <ratshell> Do not ban me again please.
[01:44] <Tm_T> ratshell: what that is?
[01:45] <ratshell> See wolferine, these are the people banned me earlier.
[01:45] <ratshell> So that is why i was worried about saying it.
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> then it was probably deserved
[01:45] <wolferine> ratshell, well, maybe that might be a big hint to just drop it
[01:45] <Tm_T> ratshell: I didn't ban you
[01:45] <Daisuke_Ido> because they tend to have pretty good judgement.
[01:45] <Tm_T> ratshell: but if you just whine about it all around... well, let's say this way: this is not a place for that discussion
[01:45] <wolferine> anyways, who knows of a good linux/*buntu sound tutorial site?
[01:46] <ratshell> Ubuntu sound tutorial?
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: random idea: search in gentoo wiki
[01:46] <ratshell> Little mor detail
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: but help.ubuntu.com is good place too
[01:46] <Tm_T> wolferine: especially community part of it
[01:47] <wolferine> howto alsa?
[01:47] <Tm_T> wolferine: yes, good search word ;-)
[01:47] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, oh yeah, i forgot about the gentoo wiki's. If you want to know how something in nix really works, that's the place.
[01:47] <wolferine> k
[01:47] <wolferine> i think this is what I am looking for
[01:47] <wolferine> thanks
[01:48] <sha> i'm starting to love KDE+BERYL
[01:48] <sha> <3
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> sha: great, huh
[01:48] <obvio171> how much room does the edgy-feisty upgrader need in /boot?
[01:48] <_4strO> sure i love them ^^
[01:49] <Tm_T> obvio171: expect it to double?
[01:49] <Tm_T> obvio171: to say the truth; no idea
[01:49] <obvio171> Tm_T: I have a 37mb partition and it complained there wasn't room enough. Then I moved everything out and tried again, it still says it's not enough.
[01:49] <obvio171> I really don't wanna have to repartition my HD to upgrade
[01:50] <Tm_T> obvio171: does #ubuntu+1 help? :)
[01:50] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, mine has about 3 gigs
[01:51] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, on a 200 gig drive
[01:51] <ratshell> Well I am at #ubuntuhelp if yall need me. These rooms are to monitored in a since. See yall there.
[01:51] <obvio171> Tm_T: nice thanks
[01:51] <obvio171> hitmanWilly: and how much room does it take?
[01:52] <_4strO> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 4,0K 2007-04-15 19:48 boot
[01:52] <Tm_T> _4strO: eh eh
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, not sure
[01:52] <Tm_T> "du -sh /boot/"
[01:52] <Tm_T> tells how much there is stuff
[01:52] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, honestly, i installed feisty fresh and just used the reccommended layout
[01:53] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, 50 m used
[01:53] <obvio171> hmm
[01:53] <obvio171> it mustn't be too easy to repartition right?
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> obvio171, not on boot
[01:54] <hitmanWilly> it has to start within the first 1024 cylinders
[01:55] <hitmanWilly> sorry, be on
[02:00] <crazy_penguin> 'night all!
[02:00] <scrubb> Hey, could someone tell me how to find out if "forcedeth.c" is included in the kubuntu driver set and if so, how to use it?
[02:01] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, that's a source code file
[02:02] <scrubb> I know.
[02:02] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, maybe in linux-headers or one of the dev packages
[02:02] <scrubb> hmm
[02:02] <darko> how can i set the cpu frequency table? I'm on a pentium m and the cpu frequency table is apparantly incorrect :-[
[02:03] <darko> help.....
[02:03] <tricasse> scrubb: see the contents of the linux-source-`uname -r` package maybe
[02:04] <pnutbttr> i cant seem to turn off all the sound effects of kubuntu
[02:05] <Tm_T> pnutbttr: did you look kcontrol -> system -> notifications
[02:05] <Tm_T> there is lot of notifications you can adjust as you like
[02:07] <ratshell> pnubttr we can help you with that if you need, but where in the channel #ubuntuhelp. So come there if you want to.
[02:07] <hitmanWilly> pnutbttr, you could always disable kde's sound system
[02:08] <XenThraL> hi, I'm having a weird issue where icon names on the desktop become blurred out and move after a while
[02:08] <pnutbttr> ok, never mind, i just wasnot understanding how k control was working
[02:08] <XenThraL> is this a known issue? I didn't really know how to google for it
[02:08] <hitmanWilly> pnutbttr, it shouldn't affect any other apps
[02:09] <wolferine> where is my sound dev located (usually)?
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, as in PCI address?
[02:09] <wolferine> yes
[02:09] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, depends on the card
[02:10] <wolferine> Nvidia CK804
[02:10] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, honestly, no idea
[02:10] <wolferine> well dont answer then :P
[02:10] <wolferine> hehe
[02:12] <pieman> is there any way i can get my real ip address (ie, wan of my router) from the command line?
[02:12] <wolferine> use www.whatismyip.com
[02:12] <wolferine> ?
[02:13] <pieman> well i can get my ip from a script run on the net no probs...
[02:13] <pieman> but i want to be able to access it locally really...
[02:13] <voorhees86> have aMsn on apt-get?
[02:13] <wolferine> voorhees86, thats where I got it
[02:14] <voorhees86> i'm not find
[02:14] <pieman> i have a dynamic ip, so in order to access my computer from uni, i want to write a script to run and just upload my current ip address to a database or something..
[02:14] <voorhees86> how is the name of the packgedt
[02:14] <word> Errmm...I get this error - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:14] <wolferine> voorhees86, use the ubuntu guide (google it) and it tells you how to add to your repos
[02:14] <wolferine> you probably dont have them all added, so you can get amsn
[02:15] <voorhees86> ok
[02:15] <voorhees86> thanks , i gonna see
[02:15] <wolferine> yeah
[02:15] <wolferine> add to your repos, do an update
[02:15] <wolferine> then search for it
[02:16] <scrubb> how does one start, quit, and restart the X server?
[02:16] <cskj> hey how do i start kdm??
[02:16] <wolferine> scrubb, ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:16] <Sanne> scrubb: you can search for a package that provides a certain file at packages.ubuntu.com in section "search the contents of packages"
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, you have it installed?
[02:17] <cskj> i think so
[02:17] <word> cskj: as root /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:17] <cskj> lemme check
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, new install?
[02:17] <ratshell> to start kdm from the gnome, ctrl alt f1, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:17] <cskj> no
[02:17] <scrubb> sanne, thanks.
[02:17] <scrubb> wolferine, thanks.
[02:17] <Sanne> scrubb: you're welcome
[02:17] <cskj> it's not a new install
[02:17] <wolferine> cskj, just did an update?
[02:17] <wolferine> np scrubb
[02:17] <cskj> since i installed kubuntu i've neva used it or anything
[02:18] <wolferine> cskj, when you login, you can select either Gnome or KDE now
[02:18] <word> are you in console on kubuntu right now or in the gui? :-/
[02:18] <cskj> in the gui
[02:18] <word> then you are probably already in kdm
[02:18] <wolferine> cskj, so you can logout, then look at the menu, you will find it there
[02:18] <cskj> i have been trying to tweak my login manager
[02:18] <cskj> but none of my changes work
[02:19] <jhutchins> pieman: Still around?
[02:19] <cskj> lemme log out n try
[02:19] <pieman> jhutchines, yes
[02:19] <wolferine> cskj, ctrl-alt-backspace is a fast way to log
[02:20] <wolferine> hey jhutchins :)
[02:20] <cskj> yea
[02:21] <jhutchins> I had a system that did what pieman was looking for, I think there's a script in the diald howto that has an example.
[02:21] <jhutchins> Ah, there you are.
[02:21] <jhutchins> pieman: I ran into a bit of trouble with it, I was uploading the IP to a DEC VAX system with ulimited version retension.
[02:21] <jhutchins> pieman: Every fifteen minutes.
[02:22] <jhutchins> Or was it five?
[02:22] <pieman> jhutchins...most of that went right over my head! lol
[02:22] <Tm_T> ratshell: hmm, you're adverting your channel here? sorta stealing "clients"? =)
[02:23] <cskj> hey guys no luck
[02:23] <cskj> the changes haven't occured
[02:23] <clownius> Is anyone here able to help with a kernel compile?
[02:23] <clownius> Im trying to save my current Feisty install
[02:23] <cskj> the login manager looks no different
[02:23] <clownius> can only boot live CD
[02:23] <jhutchins> pieman: http://tldp.org - lots of good stuff.  It's not in the diald howto after all though, still looking.
[02:26] <hitmanWilly> clownius: ok, are you on the live cd right now?
[02:26] <clownius> Im happy to go through a kernel compile but i needed to boot from live CD and i need the kernel for the install on my hard disk
[02:26] <clownius> yeah on live CD
[02:26] <hitmanWilly> clownius: is your hdd mounted anywhere?
[02:26] <clownius> doubt it i only just fired up
[02:27] <clownius> so mount it
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> clownius: yes, we may not have to compile one
[02:27] <hitmanWilly> clownius, do you know how tho chroot?
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> *to
[02:28] <clownius> i have the page up trying to do it now
[02:28] <hitmanWilly> clownius: ok, ill talk you through it
[02:29] <cskj> ok while his prob is being fixed
[02:29] <cskj> can anyone help me with mine
[02:29] <clownius> ty
[02:29] <hitmanWilly> clownius: first mount your hdd
[02:29] <cskj> i cannot get the changes i set to my login manager to work
[02:29] <pieman> jhutchins, that tldp.org link looks great for future ref. Don't worry about this thing, I've think i've worked out how i can do it...
[02:29] <cskj> they are applied, but they don't show up and they don't change
[02:30] <hitmanWilly> clownius: next, "sudo chroot <wherever you mounted your hdd>"
[02:31] <clownius> done
[02:31] <hitmanWilly> clownius, now, apt-cache search linux-image
[02:31] <K-Ryan> !svn
[02:31] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[02:32] <clownius> done
[02:32] <hitmanWilly> clownius, what came up on the search?
[02:32] <clownius> About 100 lines
[02:33] <clownius> anything in particular i should look for
[02:33] <BluesKaj> what is an open-source revision control system.... ? As if that makes it any clearer .. :(
[02:33] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, are you using edgy or feisty?
[02:33] <clownius> started as edgy is fiesty now
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Hey guys I'm trying to "sudo apt-get install subversion"
[02:34] <hitmanWilly> clownius, ok, easy then, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[02:34] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: and?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> I'm coming up with an error message of "Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Tips?
[02:34] <clownius> Says i already got it
[02:34] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: well, have adept or any related running?
[02:35] <K-Ryan> No, but Adept crashed before
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Maybe I should try running that big long command that I can't remember
[02:35] <hitmanWilly> clownius, ok sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[02:35] <K-Ryan> !adeptcrash
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptcrash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:35] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: that might explain, do "fuser var/lib/dpkg/"
[02:35] <K-Ryan> Hmm, what was it...
[02:36] <Tm_T> whops
[02:36] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: do "fuser /var/lib/dpkg/"
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: does return something?
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Nada
[02:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:36] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: try again with apt-get
[02:36] <clownius> other than this everything else looks ok
[02:36] <K-Ryan> Same thing
[02:36] <clownius> Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be updated. Read grub's NEWS.Debian[1]
[02:37] <clownius> file and follow its instructions.
[02:37] <clownius>  1. /usr/share/doc/grub/NEWS.Debian.gz
[02:37] <clownius> You shouldn't call /sbin/update-grub. Please call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead!
[02:37] <cskj> can i have some help pleez
[02:37] <K-Ryan> cskj, let us know what your problem is and we can help.
[02:37] <ubuntu> is there a way to load beryl onto kubuntu
[02:37] <Tm_T> clownius: ignore, or do changes explained in that document
[02:37] <K-Ryan> !beryl | ubuntu
[02:37] <ubotu> ubuntu: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:37] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work, somebody can help me?
[02:37] <cskj> i cannot get the changes to my login manager to work
[02:37] <hitmanWilly> clownius, sudo apt-get update grub
[02:37] <Tm_T> clownius: also, use pastebin
[02:37] <clownius> sorry guys
[02:37] <ratshell> TO THE ROOM. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH UBUNTU COME TO #ubuntuhelp, we will help you will all your ubuntu questions
[02:38] <gnomefreak> too slow Tm_T :)
[02:38] <hitmanWilly> TY!!!
[02:38] <K-Ryan> Why'd he get a ban? Just curious.
[02:38] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: spamming
[02:39] <K-Ryan> One message? Or was he doing it before I was here?
[02:39] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, you weren't here earlier with that guy, were you?
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Guess not
[02:39] <BluesKaj> he's a pita ...yelling and being obnoxious
[02:39] <K-Ryan> No biggie, just curious.
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Okay, back to my problem then =)
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Same issue while trying to apt-get it
[02:39] <cskj> can't anyone help me with my login manager problems??
[02:40] <clownius> hmm im not having any luck there but thanks for trying
[02:40] <clownius> i might just try a fresh compile from source
[02:40] <clownius> i had to do that for new hardware once lol
[02:40] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: bah, any chance to relogin?
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Might as well, brb
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Help cskj out in the meantime
[02:40] <Tm_T> cskj: yes?
[02:41] <cskj> i cannot get any of my changes to the login manager to work
[02:41] <clownius> in that chroot i can compile a kernel for use in it right?
[02:42] <Tm_T> cskj: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm" and it ask if you like to use gdm or kdm
[02:42] <hitmanWilly> clownius, yes you can here's a very helpful website on the subject http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[02:42] <cskj> ok
[02:42] <BluesKaj> geez , you can upgrade the kernel wit adept if you want
[02:42] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: luck?
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Zip
[02:42] <clownius> ty
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Same problem
[02:42] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: ...
[02:42] <K-Ryan> I have Konversation, Konqueror, and the terminal running
[02:43] <Tm_T> K-Ryan: I'm out of ideas, search for howto OR just restart whole system :(
[02:43] <K-Ryan> What's that big long command to terminate adept after it crashes and you cant get it to run again?
[02:43] <word> Errmm...I get this error - "BOGUS LENGTH in write keyboard desc, expected 5840, got 5844" and then x crashes...anyone know what could be wrong?
[02:43] <hitmanWilly> clownius, just remember, the only place you're chrooted is inside that terminal window
[02:44] <TheDebugger> Is there anything for kubuntu to delete history, password, Recently Accessed files etc? ( Like in suse.. )
[02:44] <TheDebugger> ( All at the same time, same place )
[02:44] <cskj> tm t: it did not ask if i would like to use gdm or kdm it just went back to an empty command line
[02:45] <voorhees86> the front painel(mic, headfone out) of my laptop dosent work, somebody can help me?
[02:51] <cskj> Tm_T doesn't look like it's working
[02:52] <Tm_T> strange
[02:52] <Tm_T> cskj: maybe then you only have KDM
[02:52] <cskj> shud i have gdm also??
[02:53] <Daisuke_Ido> i thought they were mutually exclusive
[02:53] <Tm_T> cskj: no, but err, what exactly you are trying to do?
[02:54] <cskj> i am trying ro list all the users at my login screen
[02:54] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: you can have both installed, but they do the same job
[02:54] <cskj> with the pics etc
[02:54] <Daisuke_Ido> try to install kdm, it uninstalls gdm (and vice versa)
[02:54] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: doesn't uninstall :p
[02:55] <Tm_T> cskj: well, you need some kdm control stuff, wait
[02:55] <cskj> ok
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[02:55] <Tm_T> cskj: install kcontrol-kdmtheme kdmtheme
[02:56] <cskj> ok
[02:56] <cskj> could i find that in adept?
[02:56] <Tm_T> cskj: should
[02:56] <cskj> or would i have to use apt-get??
[02:56] <cskj> ohh ok
[02:56] <cskj> ty
[02:56] <Tm_T> cskj: both works
[02:57] <cskj> just wondering cus i already have adpet open
[02:57] <Tm_T> cskj: after that, open kcontrol and go to system part and there, disable kdm theme, or select one that shows userlis (no idea which one does)
[02:57] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[02:57] <Tm_T> cskj: without kdm theme, you can set kdm login screen in other part there
[02:58] <Ace2016> Hi all
[02:58] <K-Ryan> !quake
[02:58] <ubotu> Quake runs natively under Ubuntu - See http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/quake4/ for details
[02:58] <K-Ryan> !quake3
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quake3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <K-Ryan> man...
[02:58] <wolferine> !doom
[02:58] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[02:58] <wolferine> :)
[02:58] <cskj> ok thanx Tm_T
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> id rocks
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> at least they port their stuff
[02:59] <Tm_T> Enemy Territory is fun
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> that's still in beta, right?
[02:59] <K-Ryan> Does anyone want to help me install Quake 3? =)
[02:59] <Ace2016> i have a mouse with a ball instead of a scroll wheel, but i can only scroll forward and backwards with it, rolling the ball eft and right does nothing
[02:59] <Ace2016> can someone help me fix this
[03:00] <Ace2016> its new
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, gogle loki installers
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> *google
[03:00] <Ace2016> on the bottom it says 8d scroll ball optical mouse
[03:00] <K-Ryan> loki?
[03:00] <cskj> ok installed them
[03:00] <cskj> brb
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Okay
[03:00] <hitmanWilly> they make and distribute linux game installers
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Ace2016 have you taken the ball out and checked the little spinny things in the mouse to make sure the ball was hitting those?
[03:01] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: no no, when i move it forwards/backwards it scrolls up and down, and when i roll it right/left it scrolls up and down but very fast, i want to change left/right into left and right scrolling
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Oh, so left and right does work.
[03:02] <Ace2016> sorry i just realised what the left/right did, i just got the mouse
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Just the wrong way
[03:02] <Ace2016> yea just need to map it somehow
[03:02] <K-Ryan> Hmm
[03:02] <K-Ryan> I'll take a look around for you, give me a sec.
[03:02] <carutsu> Scuse me how do i erase a list of recently used files?
[03:03] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: Thanks
[03:03] <Ace2016> carutsu: in kcontrol
[03:03] <carutsu> Ace2016:oh, let me see, thanks
[03:03] <K-Ryan> Have you tried the mouse in any other OS?
[03:03] <Ace2016> carutsu: kcontrol > security and privacy > privacy
[03:04] <Ace2016> carutsu: then delete what you want
[03:04] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: i'll go check
[03:04] <carutsu> Ace2016: i found it thank you
[03:04] <cskj> hey Tm_T theme manager worked...but the user list and pictures still aren;t coming up
[03:05] <madmike> lalala
[03:05] <Rayhale> Hello, I wonder are will Beryl work on kubuntu? (sorry, I'm newbie to Linux)
[03:06] <clownius> It worked without -14 kernel everything works again :)
[03:07] <clownius> rayhale my experience says no
[03:07] <Rayhale> alright thanks Clown.
[03:07] <clownius> i installed the packages but nothing happened
[03:07] <clownius> but i may not have configured right or something
[03:07] <Rayhale> I see.. neverless, thank you.
[03:08] <BluesKaj> Rayhale, beryl depends your graphics card and drivers
[03:08] <K-Ryan> Beryl does work in Kubuntu
[03:08] <K-Ryan> !beryl | Rayhale
[03:08] <ubotu> Rayhale: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:08] <Rayhale> Alright, Thanks Ryan
[03:09] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[03:09] <cskj> hey Tm_T u there??
[03:09] <hitmanWilly> clownius: away for a minute, everything working?
[03:10] <clownius> all back and perfect again
[03:10] <clownius> lot less painfull than a kernel compile
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> i knew it was that 14 kernel
[03:10] <clownius> so did i lol but fix it was beyond me
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> the chroot trick has saved me more than once
[03:11] <clownius> its one i shall remember
[03:11] <clownius> I love Live Cd's now
[03:11] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, what chroot trick ?
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, chrooting to your hdd from a live cd
[03:12] <BluesKaj> i see, what's the command , si can recoed it in my list here
[03:12] <BluesKaj> record it
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, sudo chroot <hdd mount point>
[03:13] <jodas> Hello I need help.
[03:13] <BluesKaj> mountpoint ?
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, you can even use that to run a 32 bit environment inside a 64 bit os, for flash and stuff
[03:13] <jodas> I would like to know how to log on as root.
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, mount the hdd and chroot into it
[03:14] <clownius> why do you want to jodas? try sudo instead
[03:14] <Ace2016> K-Ryan: xp won't boot, i have problems with it, can't reinstall it now
[03:14] <BluesKaj> ok
[03:14] <jodas> I cannot delete thing out of the root/desktop folder.
[03:15] <jodas> Even when I use sudo I cannot.
[03:15] <clownius> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[03:15] <clownius> ok odd
[03:15] <jodas> Ubuntu
[03:15] <jodas> Well Edubuntu
[03:15] <clownius> i dont have a root/desktop
[03:15] <jodas> But the people in that chat will not help at all.
[03:15] <clownius> no can help
[03:16] <clownius> logining in as root is generally a very bad idea
[03:16] <jodas> Well how do you log in as root?
[03:16] <Ace2016> didn't think you can delete the desktop folder
[03:17] <jodas> No the stuff that is inside the folder.
[03:17] <jodas> I have 38 MB of stuff that was downloaded there that I do not need anymore.
[03:17] <jodas> And it will not let me delete it.
[03:17] <BluesKaj> hitmanWilly, how did  the chroot trick help you ...what was the situation ?
[03:18] <jodas> So how do I log in as root?
[03:18] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, clownius had a bad kernel so it wouldn't boot, booted off the live cd chrooted to the hdd, purged the old one, installed the updated on through apt
[03:19] <BluesKaj> ok cool , thx
[03:19] <noxwayxhome> how do i get grub back if i installed windows
[03:20] <noxwayxhome> jodas you dont login as root
[03:20] <Ace2016> noxwayxhome: i also wish to know that
[03:20] <Ace2016> how do you get grub back if you install windows
[03:20] <noxwayxhome> i found an artical but i cant find where it is now
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> jodas, the desktop folder is under ~/.desktop, go there through the command line and delete them using sudo
[03:20] <hitmanWilly> !grub
[03:20] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, Ace2016 see above
[03:21] <noxwayxhome> hitman thanks
[03:22] <hitmanWilly> np
[03:22] <jodas> Wrong one.
[03:22] <jodas> It does not work.
[03:22] <jodas> Says no such file or directory.
[03:22] <jodas> I even tried to sudo it and it still did not work.
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> !desktop
[03:23] <ubotu> The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are Gnome (ubuntu-desktop), KDE (kubuntu-desktop), Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[03:24] <jodas> Wrong desktop.
[03:24] <jodas> Go under system files and click on root.
[03:24] <jodas> Then click on desktop.
[03:24] <jodas> Not the first desktop but the one under root.
[03:24] <noxwayxhome> jodas do you want to have root power type in "sudo su"
[03:25] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, didn't know that worked
[03:25] <noxwayxhome> this will give you terminal root for as long as the terminal is open
[03:25] <kristjan> anyone got geforce go6200 here?
[03:25] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:25] <jodas> That is what I get.
[03:26] <noxwayxhome> but warning that any programs that you run will be in root
[03:26] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:26] <jodas> Cannot move "/root/Deskt...3(3).tar.gz" to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[03:26] <noxwayxhome> jodas go into the terminal and type in sudo your file manager
[03:26] <jodas> That is what I get.
[03:27] <jodas> Ok
[03:27] <jodas> Typed in sudo
[03:27] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: I found a bug in the latest kernel update tonight.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15892/
[03:28] <HaSH> !iso
[03:28] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:28] <noxwayxhome> jodas
[03:28] <noxwayxhome> one min
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, saw that one too, don't think its really a bug so much as no grub update yet
[03:29] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: should I run it manually?
[03:29] <noxwayxhome> jodas type in sudo Konqueror and the try to do what you want then
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> N6REJ, back it up and try it out
[03:29] <noxwayxhome> a window will open with root power
[03:29] <N6REJ> hitmanWilly: LOL love it.
[03:30] <jodas> Says command not found
[03:30] <terrestre> someone knows how to change to another theme on kubuntu?
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> the konq cmd's all lower
[03:30] <wolferine> anyone have their sound working in VMware?
[03:30] <Ace2016> could i just use boot sector virus protection in bios, doesn't taht stop the mbr from being overwritten?
[03:30] <jodas> Says the same thig.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> terrestre, sytem settings/appearance
[03:30] <noxwayxhome> terreste your best bet is to use beryl with emereld theme changer
[03:31] <Schuenemann> which tool can I use the extract the image of a protected CD?
[03:31] <noxwayxhome> jodas i dont know what to tell you sorry man have no idea
[03:31] <BluesKaj> K9 copy. Schuenemann
[03:31] <jodas> I have edubuntu
[03:31] <Schuenemann> !k9
[03:31] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:32] <jodas> I do not really see a difference.
[03:32] <terrestre> BluesKaj: ok, im on that menu, but i dont find anything
[03:32] <Hasta-la-Vista> :)
[03:32] <jodas> But the edubuntu chat does not help because no  one in there will talk.
[03:32] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, works for CDs too?
[03:32] <BluesKaj> terrestre, are in beryl or kde ?
[03:33] <terrestre> BluesKaj: in kde
[03:33] <pollyo> jodas: Does edubuntu use gnome?
[03:33] <terrestre> i know that is a selly question, but i dont find anything, i tried to install a .kth file, but i dont know were it was installed
[03:33] <ubuntu> hola como estan
[03:33] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, try soundkonverter for cds
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, its in kcontrol
[03:34] <Schuenemann> ugh, I'm already downloading k9copy
[03:34] <c0ldfr3ak> help
[03:34] <pollyo> Anyone try phpgedview?
[03:34] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: theres no, kcontrol on kubuntu feisty, at least in katapult, its nothing
[03:34] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, it's not for sound CDs, I want to extract the CD ISO
[03:34] <c0ldfr3ak> i tried installing ubuntu 6.10 and it says theres a sync error
[03:34] <Schuenemann> any CD
[03:34] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, try running it through konsole
[03:34] <terrestre> and sorry for my english jajaja
[03:35] <BluesKaj> acetoneiso ..it's here :http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44805
[03:35] <pollyo> Anyone know what the following error message would be caused by: -24 DB Error: connect failed
[03:35] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, what were you running?
[03:35] <carl> pollyo more info on what you were doing when you got this error would help
[03:36] <pollyo> I'm getting it on phpgedview
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> !info phpgedview
[03:36] <ubotu> Package phpgedview does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[03:36] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I'm running phpgedview it is a genealogy php application
[03:36] <noxwayxhome> anyone know of any good linux distos that will make a killer media server
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, oh, ok
[03:36] <c0ldfr3ak> I downloaded Ubuntu 6.10 last night and i burned it to a CD today... when I tried to run the CD it said "sync error with the cd
[03:36] <c0ldfr3ak> "
[03:36] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, maybe a firewall problem?
[03:37] <carl> Bad CD? c0ld ? bad ISO maybe?
[03:37] <c0ldfr3ak> then something about anci or anpi... acpi maybe... something like that...
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: Its on my apache2 server on my machine.
[03:37] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , ok, its kcontrol on konsole, and now im on themes and style(muy kubuntu its in spanish) I see style, and widget style, but theme, i dont see that
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I'm thinking it might be missing a mod for db or something in apache.
[03:37] <c0ldfr3ak> what should i use to burn the CD and what settings?
[03:37] <noxwayxhome> c0ld try to burn it at a lower speed i had the same problem a few weeks
[03:37] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, apt-get ktheme
[03:37] <pollyo> hitmanWilly: I do not know enough about the subject.
[03:38] <shawn34> how do i turn off single click in konqueror?
[03:38] <c0ldfr3ak> (noxwayxhome) thank you
[03:38] <carl> !info amarok
[03:38] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[03:38] <hitmanWilly> pollyo, unfortunately, neither do i :)
[03:38] <anandanbu> does any one know how to install themes in Kubuntu
[03:38] <noxwayxhome> c0ld np man hope it works
[03:38] <K-Ryan> anandanbu: Yes
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Go to system settings>appearance
[03:39] <anandanbu> how do i ,i have downloaded the packages from the kde-look.org
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Go to that menu, click "Import Scheme"
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Find the file, and apply
[03:39] <shawn34> how do i turn off single click in konqueror?
[03:40] <anandanbu> ok
[03:40] <c0ldfr3ak> (noxwayxhome) i can only burn at 48x
[03:40] <anandanbu> then what am i supposed to do
[03:40] <shawn34> anyone know?
[03:41] <K-Ryan> What are you stuck at anandanbu?
[03:41] <BluesKaj> shawn34, system settings/keyboard and mouse
[03:42] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, are you sure acetoneIso can do it with a protected CD?
[03:42] <shawn34> BluesKaj: thank you
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> cold well hmmm
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, I just installed a game that uses a .i386 to start the game up, however it pops up with an "open with" menu when I try to run it.
[03:43] <K-Ryan> Tips?
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> c0ld hmmm
[03:43] <noxwayxhome> what program are you using c0ld
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Anyone?
[03:45] <noxwayxhome> what game is it
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, not sure ... i haven't tried that yet ... surely there is one utility that does what you need
[03:45] <K-Ryan> Urban Terror, mod for quake 3
[03:45] <K-Ryan> turned standalone
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> K-Ryan, try changing the perms to executable
[03:46] <Schuenemann> ok, I'll try it if I don't find another
[03:46] <K-Ryan> perms?
[03:46] <K-Ryan> Never mind
[03:46] <terrestre> !ktheme
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:46] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, sorry, wrong package name, it should be under kcontrol under theme manager
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, unless it's a kdm theme you want to install
[03:47] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, i was thinking of kdmtheme
[03:48] <noxwayxhome> dos any one know how i can connected to a windows shared folder
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, samba
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> !samba | noxwayxhome
[03:49] <ubotu> noxwayxhome: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:49] <noxwayxhome> i know that but what is the command line hit man lol
[03:49] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, sorry, i default to newbie mode in here
[03:49] <jtt> can anyone tell me how i force apt-get (from the command line not from sources.list) to get  a package from feisty area only
[03:50] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, just mount it as a smbfs
[03:50] <terrestre> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Thinking+about+blue?content=26392 <----- that one hitmanWilly.. i dont found kdmtheme either, im pretty new of kde
[03:50] <noxwayxhome> thank you forgot
[03:50] <gamerguy> wtf
[03:50] <noxwayxhome> and no problem hitman i can understand
[03:50] <gamerguy> i can't use bloody tux as my name anymore
[03:50] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, cool :)
[03:51] <hitmanWilly> gamerguy, someone register it?
[03:51] <terrestre> actually i did the right click install theme, to the .kth file, but nothing happend, and i still cant find the theme manager on kcontrol
[03:51] <gamerguy> no, i was using it earlier today
[03:51] <Bloodytux> there
[03:51] <dirgedoll> Hello
[03:51] <Bloodytux> brb
[03:52] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, Appearance and Themes -> Theme Manager
[03:52] <dirgedoll> do you have to do anything special after you set up a wireless internet card, or can you just use it? Thanks.
[03:53] <hitmanWilly> dirgedoll, aside from inputing any network keys, i wouldn't think so
[03:54] <dirgedoll> ok cool
[03:54] <chemicalvamp> where can i go to see a list of updates for feisty?
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> !feisty
[03:54] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[03:54] <flaccid> chemicalvamp: adept_updater
[03:54] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, probably the launchpad site
[03:55] <chemicalvamp> i got a wired connection, trying to get my wireless card to work
[03:55] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, does it need a WPA key to connect?
[03:56] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, unfortunately it does not work =/
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> no
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> doesnt even see it
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> ahh, one of those
[03:56] <chemicalvamp> "no such device" or somehting like that
[03:56] <hitmanWilly> don't really know too much about wireless
[03:57] <chemicalvamp> worked on edgy PERFECZTLY
[03:57] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , ooooh thanks, here the thing, in kcontrol of konsole, its was a theme manager ... but on system konfiguration on k menu, theres only appereance, desktop, splash, windows, and notifiaation,
[03:57] <bill__k> !wireless
[03:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:57] <terrestre> thanks :)
[03:57] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, someone once told me it was possible extracting the raw data. You know anything about it?
[03:57] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, yeah, i use good old kcontrol 90% of the time anyway
[03:58] <terrestre> hitmanWilly: , thanks, i cant find it on katapult, i thaght there was no kcontrol on feisty
[03:58] <chemicalvamp> how is !wireless related to a bug in feisty bill__k
[03:58] <BluesKaj> no Schuenemann...sorry
[03:59] <hitmanWilly> terrestre, its hidden, but its still there
[03:59] <bill__k> chemicalvamp, sorry, just wanted the link for myself :) it's the easiest way for me to find info for myself too
[04:00] <chemicalvamp> ohh hehe
[04:00] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, maybe they didn't compile support for your card in the new kernels
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> i read that they used an older 'something' for feisty for some reason
[04:01] <chemicalvamp> older then edgy's
[04:01] <ranjan> probably alsa
[04:01] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, maybe there was an bug/exploit in the new 'whatever' that wasn't in the old one
[04:01] <terrestre> im used noe my new tab grey themes haha cool
[04:02] <chemicalvamp> i seen in launchpad that alot of people are having network related issues, so maybe theres an update out now
[04:03] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, i haven't noticed any network updates coming down the pipe lately, but maybe...
[04:03] <Bloodytux> back
[04:03] <chemicalvamp> last time i updated there wasnt, and i had to run off of a edgy cd and chroot to my feisty install ( along with alot of other things to get the internet to work)
[04:04] <Bloodytux> l
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> chemicalvamp, had to chroot a guy off the live cd earlier, -14 kernel issues
[04:05] <shawn34> can anyone help me in getting my wifi up?
[04:06] <hitmanWilly> that's 3
[04:06] <excitatory> with beryl/aiglx running, i cannot find the taskbar setting to only show applications from that desktop.
[04:06] <jtt> how can i force edgy installed system to pick up certain feisty packages using apt-get
[04:07] <hitmanWilly> excitatory, i think beryl disables that
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> jtt, well, you COULD add a couple of feisty repos to sources.list, but there's no guarantee they would work
[04:08] <excitatory> hitmanWilly, is there any way to change that?  isn't the point of multiple desktops to organize your desktop by not having so many windows in view, including taskbar clutter?
[04:08] <hitmanWilly> excitatory, it might be under beryl-manager somewhere
[04:08] <jtt> hitmanWilly: i tired that and they dont i also tried  apt-get install package=blahblah and it cant find the feisty package
[04:09] <jtt> blahblah=release number from feisty  packages listing
[04:09] <hitmanWilly> jtt, you might have to go to the actual website and download the debs
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> jtt, even then, they may not install if they're packaged for feisty
[04:10] <jtt> hitmanWilly: ok i figured that would be the next step was trying to avoid that because of the dependancys
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> jtt, do you have edgy-backports enabled?
[04:11] <jtt> hitmanWilly: no i will try that
[04:11] <terrestre> someone knows, how i can add programs to katapult? programs like kcontrol?
[04:11] <jtt> hitmanWilly: thanks
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> jtt, the backports repo should still be updated for another year or so
[04:12] <jtt> hitmanWilly: good that may be my out
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> jtt, trying to avoid the upgrade?
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> jtt, besides feisty got pushed back so edgy support should last even longer now
[04:13] <jtt> hitmanWilly: no i am traveling away from home and trying to create index  kde_application_manuals and  htdg package is the problem
[04:13] <Hasta-la-Vista> how far out?
[04:13] <terrestre> !katapult
[04:13] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[04:13] <jtt> hitmanWilly: so when did they push back feisty today
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> don't know, heard this secondhand
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> a couple of days ago
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> so its about slashdot level reliability
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> :)
[04:14] <jtt> hitmanWilly: interesting i saw some info on a big kernel bug though
[04:14] <hitmanWilly> jtt: the -14 kernel
[04:15] <hitmanWilly> jtt, had to walk a guy through fixing it today
[04:15] <jtt> hitmanWilly: yes i never booted it it only do the dailys and help testing group for iso testing  heno  pochu  etc.
[04:15] <jtt> hitmanWilly: but i havent been able to test for several days since i am on the road
[04:16] <noxwayxhome_> i have been trying to mount a windows share and it wont work can you see anything wrong with this command line
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> jtt, yeah, by the time i got around to updating that day they had already 403'd the site
[04:16] <jtt> hitmanWilly: i have seen that 403  what it it
[04:16] <noxwayxhome_> sudo mount -t smbfs //192.sfdgsdf/sfgsdf /media/windowsmountpointshare -o username=sfsfgsd,password=sdfgsfd
[04:16] <jtt> hitmanWilly: what does 403 mean
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> jtt, they blocked the site so people wouldn't update to it
[04:17] <jtt> hitmanWilly: ok 403 as in HTTP got it
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, drop the 192.
[04:17] <noxwayxhome_> brb
[04:17] <scrubb> Could someone tell me if there's some kind of diagnostic tool for ethernet adaptors?
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> scrubb, ifconfig?
[04:18] <jtt> hitmanWilly: thanks for the info i will go and try backports later
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:19] <scrubb> if = interface?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, i found one that is very popular and useful, "cdparanoia"
[04:19] <Bloodytux> bbl i'm upgrading kde to 3.5.6
[04:20] <peepsalot> what is the difference between a shell and a console?
[04:22] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  a shell interacts with the kernel.  A console interacts with the shell.
[04:22] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, hmmm... I already have it installed... let me try
[04:23] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: if you are talking about using the konsole terminal it will get you a window in which you have an interactive shell to do commandline stuff.
[04:24] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, so I have this Applet in my KDE menu called "Terminal Sessions" and it has a menu which includes(among other things) "Shell" and "Linux Console"
[04:24] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: Did that help, or confuse you.
[04:24] <shawn34> anyone have time to help me get my wifi up?
[04:24] <peepsalot> aren't those basically the same?  they both load konsole
[04:25] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  It, in general, makes little difference which you use.  But in some instances you need to do things from the Linux Console.
[04:26] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, appearently it's just for audio cds
[04:26] <peepsalot> but doesn't the "Linux Console" run a shell(bash) also
[04:26] <peepsalot> i just don't understand why they are two separate choices
[04:26] <compilerwriter> Yes it runs a shell, dash, probably.
[04:26] <pacman> Can anyone help me with a couple of devices?  I think I need drivers, but I don't know where I can find them
[04:27] <shawn34> i've had it working with ease before i reinstalled with kde, was on gnome now its an issue for some reason
[04:27] <peepsalot> in what cases would I need the "Linux Console" over a "Shell"
[04:27] <compilerwriter> Well like I said earlier, peepsalot,  It, in general, makes little difference which you use.  But in some instances you need to do things from the Linux Console.
[04:27] <shawn34> wifi drivers installed via ndiswrapper utility, and i can see the card via iwconfig
[04:27] <shawn34> i just can't bring enable it
[04:27] <shawn34> can't enable*
[04:28] <Iwonder|too> shawn34: can you ifconfig  <card> <ip>
[04:28] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  There is also the fact that my default, because I so choose, interactive shell is zsh.  If I were to choose the Console I would likely get dash.
[04:30] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  I was just able to confirm it.  I get two seperate shells when I choose the two different options.
[04:31] <mikey> any superkaramba users?  wondering where the .themes are kep by default
[04:31] <Desperado> someone uses latex?
[04:31] <pacman> Can anyone help me with a couple of devices?  I think I need drivers, but I don't know where I can find them
[04:32] <Iwonder|too> pacman: what devices?
[04:32] <Desperado> what devices do you refer?
[04:32] <compilerwriter> So peepsalot:  It allows for some flexibility on the users part.  Some of us most often work in one shell or another, but we occaisionally need to run a bash shell script.  The choices give us that option.
[04:32] <pacman> one of them is a webcam, but I don't know the brand...I've had it since before I went to Kubuntu
[04:33] <Iwonder|too> pacman: lsusb
[04:33] <pacman> I take that back, it's a Dynex
[04:33] <compilerwriter> Clear as mud, peepsalot?
[04:33] <pacman> lsub?
[04:34] <pacman> err lsusb?
[04:34] <peepsalot> heh, that helps some thanks compilerwriter
[04:34] <Iwonder|too> lsusb in console,taking for granted your webcam is usb interface
[04:35] <Iwonder|too> it should show device info to help figure out what module is needed
[04:35] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, where do you specify your zsh shell?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, does k3B have a plugin to copy protected data ...I'm not sure ..does any one know ?
[04:36] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj, I have realized k3b 1.0 was released but the repositories still have 0.12 as the later version
[04:36] <pacman> wonder...it's not showing up
[04:36] <joooooooe> hi what package carries kwikdisk?
[04:36] <Iwonder|too> protected data?
[04:36] <compilerwriter> Knowing some history might help you better understand peepsalot.  Back in the day before bash, sh kind of sucked.  No I take that back it swallowed.  So there were shells that were invented like the csh, tcsh, zsh, ksh, etc.  They had neat features that sh didn't have.  Well some of us kept using whatever shell we got comfortable with, when bash came along and added most of those neat features to sh.
[04:36] <Schuenemann> protected cd
[04:37] <Iwonder|too> pacman: try google the model number + ubuntu
[04:37] <compilerwriter> Ah hell peepsalot, I did it so long ago I just don't remember.  Give me a second to think on it.  I may remember in short order.  That or you may find it before I remember.
[04:38] <compilerwriter> !shell
[04:38] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:38] <joooooooe> pacman: Trying to ri[ a cd?
[04:38] <peepsalot> !console
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about console - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <peepsalot> heh
[04:38] <mikey> !superkarumba
[04:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about superkarumba - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:38] <pacman> trying to find out what model webcam I have, so I can get the right driver
[04:38] <joooooooe> what package carries kwikdisk?
[04:38] <Schuenemann> joooooooe, I'm trying to copy a protected cd, yes
[04:39] <joooooooe> open konqueror
[04:39] <joooooooe> then go to
[04:39] <joooooooe> audio:/
[04:39] <joooooooe> I've ripped all of my cds from there
[04:39] <joooooooe> even sony infected cds
[04:39] <Schuenemann> I don't have that file/folder
[04:39] <_chocobo> Hey so I am using FreeNX and it works perfectly when i conenct from a local machine but not when i connect from another remote place
[04:39] <Iwonder|too> Schuenemann: k3b doesn't care about copyrights and such like nero
[04:40] <_chocobo> Do i need to foward port 22?
[04:40] <Schuenemann> Iwonder|too, does that mean k3b can do it?
[04:40] <joooooooe> what package carries kwikdisk, anyone?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> !repeat | joooooooe
[04:40] <ubotu> joooooooe: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[04:40] <compilerwriter> !login shell
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about login shell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <Hobbsee> joooooooe: probably kdebase
[04:41] <dirgedoll> !patience
[04:41] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:41] <dirgedoll> heh
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, kdf
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, kdf has kwikdisk
[04:42] <_chocobo> Anybody knwo if i need to foward the port
[04:42] <Schuenemann> someone once told me I could do it copying the raw data
[04:42] <Schuenemann> but I can't remember who was it or what he said
[04:42] <joooooooe> hmm not showing up
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, edgy?
[04:42] <joooooooe> pacman: any luck?
[04:42] <joooooooe> Daper
[04:42] <hitmanWilly> joooooooe, don't know for that one
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !find | kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about find - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <compilerwriter> Folks don't we specify our default shell in /etc/password or some such?
[04:43] <joooooooe> hitmanWilly: thanks anyway
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwikdisk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> !search | kwikdisk
[04:43] <ubotu> Found: wink, sources.list-#ubuntu-effects, away, forkbomb, editors, keys-#ubuntu-effects, xubuntu-channels, fluxbuntu, xubuntu
[04:44] <joooooooe> thanks anyway
[04:44] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, it could be the cmnd line "cdrdao".. check it out
[04:44] <joooooooe> it seems if its not part of kdebase, it was taken out
[04:44] <joooooooe> bad move
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, for individual users, yes, but /bin/sh always links to system default
[04:45] <compilerwriter> Thanks hitmanWilly
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:45] <BluesKaj> !cdrdao
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrdao - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: have you learned how to edit with nano, vi, or emacs, yet?k
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> compilerwriter, you can always del /bin/sh and link whatever you want there, though
[04:45] <joooooooe> nano is great
[04:46] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, yeah i have used nano for a while, learning a little vim.  don't care to try emacs
[04:46] <joooooooe> you can also use midnight commander to edit
[04:47] <bobleny> Hey, I have lamp installed on my computer. It works great! However, I have a php file that need to access and save files to the computer. The problem is, it doesn't have the right privlages. How do I allow the php file to save and change files on the computer?
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> emacs is a pita, yet extremely powerful
[04:47] <peepsalot> had Ubuntu for lil over a year now i think, but just installed kubuntu-desktop a couple days ago.  So i'm not a complete noob, :p
[04:47] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, run it with sudo
[04:48] <noxwayxhome_> smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported when trying to mount windows share
[04:48] <compilerwriter> ok peepsalot what you need to do if you wish to change your default shell is to edit /etc/passwd.  You will find your login name on a line in that file.
[04:48] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, run what, the server?
[04:49] <peepsalot> ah, ok i see it compilerwriter
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, whatever app is accessing the php file
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> *running
[04:49] <bobleny> That would be the server
[04:49] <bobleny> How do I run it as root?
[04:49] <peepsalot> compilerwriter, do you really write compilers?
[04:49] <peepsalot> what kind?
[04:49] <compilerwriter> peepsalot: It will look like Your Name:gobbledy good: more gobbledy gook: still more gobbledy gook: and so forth: /bin/bash
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, hmmm, nevermind unless you want to run apache as root
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> heh
[04:50] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  change the /bin/bash AND ONLY THAT PART OF THE LINE  to /pathname of whatever shell you want to use.
[04:50] <bobleny> Well, is that the only way to do it?
[04:50] <noxwayxhome_> smbfs: mount_data version<PHONE_NUMBER> is not supported when trying to mount windows share
[04:51] <compilerwriter> peepsalot it has been a long time since I wrote a compiler.
[04:51] <noxwayxhome_> what can i do
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, probably not, but server admin ain't exactly my strong suit
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> sorry :(
[04:52] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, do you think running apache as root every now and then a bad thing?
[04:52] <noxwayxhome_> hitman have any ideas
[04:52] <compilerwriter> peepsalot:  For God sake be careful!  If you accidently change the password hash for your account you will be up a creek with a leeky canoe and no paddle.
[04:52] <noxwayxhome_> bobleny never run it as root
[04:52] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, I don't use apache as an external server. Only locally...
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, well, i don't know much about apache, but that seems to be a Very bad idea
[04:53] <peepsalot> heh, ok
[04:53] <peepsalot> thx for the help
[04:53] <noxwayxhome_> bobleny if it is local then do what ever you want
[04:53] <bobleny> lol
[04:53] <compilerwriter> peepsalot you will need to sudo nano that file.
[04:53] <bobleny> OK, how do I run apache as root?
[04:53] <peepsalot> i know
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, never seen that one before, what version of win are you running?
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly mount -t smbfs is sending me errers
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> xp
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, standard ntfs file system?
[04:54] <noxwayxhome_> yes
[04:55] <noxwayxhome_> here is the command  i am using mount -t smbfs //servername/sharename /mountdirectory -o username=mywindowsusername,password=mywindowspassword
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, file and printer sharing IS enabled on the windows side, yes?
[04:55] <noxwayxhome_> fire wall is off
[04:56] <noxwayxhome_> and yes
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, i don't know, try googling the error, maybe?
[04:56] <noxwayxhome_> can i set up a way for the windos system to connect to me
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome, yeah, it's actually pretty easy in KDE, more or less the same as in win
[04:58] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly do you know of a guide to show me how thx for the help
[04:58] <Schuenemann> compilerwriter, did you write sun's jdk?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> !samba
[04:58] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, try the above links
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, at least as a starting point
[05:02] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly thx
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> np
[05:04] <Mys_Teri> Good evening everyone.  I'm hoping someone can direct me to somewhere online that I can get lessons/tutorials on Kubuntu.  I want to learn to do more than use Adept, Add and Remove Programs and type what others tell me into Terminal.
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> !wiki
[05:05] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, see above
[05:05] <Mys_Teri> Thank you I will look there then.
[05:06] <dr_willis> thers a great many web sites with bash tutorials.. and that "Using Bash" book by Orieally is great.
[05:06] <Medici> [dawson] , where are you from?
[05:07] <Mys_Teri> dr. willis  well I am still new to all of this so I am not even sure what bash is yet.  I got the Ubuntu bible and have looked around the forums for various issues and that has helped.
[05:08] <Dasnipa`> the ubuntu bible is hardly biblical
[05:08] <dr_willis> watch the bargin bins at the book stores.. :) old Linux books are great.
[05:08] <dr_willis> avoide any books with 'for idiots/dummies' in the title.
[05:08] <Schuenemann> general linux books are horrible
[05:08] <dr_willis> avoide the ones with lots of pictures also.
[05:09] <Schuenemann> you end up doing nothing with them
[05:09] <Dasnipa`> Schuenemann, or you learn the basic stuff that these books cover and have no use for them because the references become too basic
[05:10] <Mys_Teri> Dasnipa:  Well it has helped me, almost get my pocket pc sync'd.  I'm going to find a linux for Pocket PC's though and play with an old one.
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> heh, im in #windows right now, preaching to the heathen :)
[05:10] <Schuenemann> http://www.linux-books.us/
[05:11] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly it was not installed smbclient was but no smbf
[05:12] <noxwayxhome_> lol
[05:12] <Mys_Teri> I've been preaching to my friends, most think I'm weird because I want to become Windows free.
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> noxwayxhome_, problem solved :)
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> from the #windows channel:
 how can one linux outperform another?
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:13] <dr_willis> kernel optmizations.
[05:14] <abortd> whats a good program in linux for burning iso and bin images
[05:14] <dr_willis> or depends if you are sing the therm 'linux' to refer to a 'disrto' :) or a 'kernel'
[05:14] <noxwayxhome_> hitmanWilly i feel like a noob
[05:14] <noxwayxhome_> lol
[05:14] <dr_willis> k3b abortd  is THE kde app to use for that. :)
[05:14] <abortd> how abou gnome :
[05:14] <abortd> :)
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> and apparently EVERY distro is compiled completely from source on the user end
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> ignorance is sad :(
[05:15] <dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  i see more and more of it in here lately also.. :(
[05:15] <dr_willis> and lazyness
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> well, i can only take so much, that's enough #windows
[05:23] <shawn34> how can i get the 'drop down' konsole window by pressing the ~ key to work?
[05:23] <shawn34> by the way people, i have my wifi working lol ;p
[05:23] <shawn34> finally
[05:23] <dr_willis> shawn34,  thats that yakuake program i thought.
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, install yakuake
[05:24] <shawn34> cool
[05:24] <shawn34> thanks
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, and its f12, not ~
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> by the way, it rocks
[05:24] <dr_willis> i hate it :) lol
[05:24] <shawn34> dr_willis: y?
[05:24] <dr_willis> i alwyas got several konsoles open anyway
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> to each his own, i guess
[05:24] <dr_willis> so no need for one to pop down
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> i just like being able to jump to the CLI with one button
[05:25] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, how can I give apache full privliges to "/home/bob/Web Devolpment/Server/auto_saver/"?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, change the group owner of those directories to www or web or something like that
[05:28] <bobleny> Uh, what?
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, or just make your normal user account the owner with chown
[05:29] <shawn34> hitmanWilly: i love it
[05:29] <shawn34> too cool
[05:29] <jtt> bobleny: chown -R www-data www-data *
[05:29] <shawn34> easy access lol ;p
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, that's what i was looking for
[05:29] <jtt> bobleny: sorry  chown -R www-data:www-data *
[05:30] <joooooooe> google must think kubuntu is merging with mepis,
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> hitmanWilly, i think i lost IQ points in the #windows channel
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:31] <bobleny> sorry  chown -R www-data:www-data * with or with out the astrick?
[05:31] <jtt> bobleny: with the asterisk  that says  Every File
[05:32] <Hasta-la-Vista> joooooooe: say what??
[05:32] <bobleny> Oh
[05:32] <jtt> bobleny: make sure your are where you want to be before executing that with suso
[05:32] <jtt> suso=sudo sudo
[05:32] <jtt> not suso  sudo
[05:33] <bobleny> jtt, ok I'll try that.
[05:34] <joooooooe> Hasta-la-Vista: when I google for kdf for kubuntu, I get mepis stuff
[05:34] <scrubb> Could someone please help me get my network adaptor working?
[05:34] <joooooooe> kool nick by the way
[05:34] <shawn34> wow, im too used to firefox. i keep holding ctrl when i hit enter to auto add the www and .com
[05:34] <Hasta-la-Vista> lol, thx
[05:34] <shawn34> frustrating
[05:35] <joooooooe> scrubb:  still no luck?
[05:35] <scrubb> Nope.
[05:35] <scrubb> I can't even use ifconfig to bring it up.
[05:35] <joooooooe> damn
[05:35] <scrubb> it says "cannot assign the requested addressQ
[05:35] <Hasta-la-Vista> I tried mepis todat via vmware...
[05:35] <scrubb> er " not Q
[05:35] <scrubb> It's like I can't talk to eth0 even though it shows up.
[05:35] <joooooooe> this is BQ I'm assimilating another machine
[05:36] <Hasta-la-Vista> all the media stuff worked out of box, kinda impressed; but that is just built into it straight out
[05:36] <scrubb> I need help diagnosing the problem.
[05:36] <scrubb> But since I can't get to the internet while in linux, this is getting really frustrating.
[05:36] <joooooooe> open a root terminal
[05:36] <shawn34> scrubb: wifi or patch?
[05:36] <scrubb> patch
[05:36] <scrubb> How does one open a root terminal?  su?
[05:37] <shawn34> don't do that
[05:37] <shawn34> just use sudo
[05:37] <scrubb> But you have to type that for each command right?
[05:38] <shawn34> not really
[05:38] <shawn34> once you use it in a terminal session
[05:38] <Mys_Teri> So will a general linux getting started tutorial help or do more harm than good?
[05:38] <shawn34> it shouldn't ask for the pass again
[05:38] <scrubb> oh ok
[05:38] <shawn34> still use sudo though
[05:38] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  read, read, and read more.. :) slowly it all builds up and you figure it out.
[05:39] <scrubb> anyway, how do I go about figuring out what's wrong?
[05:39] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  read a few starter guides. then hit the hard core stuff you are interested in.
[05:39] <shawn34> Mys_Teri: i just dove in lol ;p im fine
[05:40] <Mys_Teri> dr_willis I understand that I'm just wondering when I spend money on things if I should go for Kubuntu/Ubuntu specific or if general Linux is better?
[05:41] <shawn34> that is "general linux" lol
[05:41] <shawn34> unless you don't want gui lol
[05:41] <dr_willis> Mys_Teri,  plenty of starter guides on the net for free.
[05:41] <scrubb2000> shawn?
[05:42] <Mys_Teri> Shawn: That's what I've been doing with much help from reading the forums etc.  I want to learn to write my own programs at some point.  I'd also like to know why doing the things that I found in forums helped.
[05:43] <Mys_Teri> I've always had a problem with wanting to know why something worked.
[05:44] <dr_willis> i took apart a dead hard drive the other day. :)
[05:44] <shawn34> shit
[05:44] <dr_willis> lots of neat bits in there.
[05:44] <shawn34> dr_willis: you running firefox or konqueror
[05:44] <hitmanWilly> ive been known to void a few warranties in my time :)
[05:44] <dr_willis> shawn34,  firefox mainly
[05:45] <shawn34> i had firefox on kde and the gui looked horrible
[05:45] <shawn34> whats with that
[05:45] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, if you want just general linux info, the gentoo wiki is a great place to start
[05:45] <Mys_Teri> My husband has told me to please not to try to fix my kitchen appliances unless there is no other hope.
[05:46] <Mys_Teri> hitmanWilly:  I'll bookmark it.
[05:46] <scrubb2000> Shawn34, can you help or should I ask someone else?
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, also, o'reily makes a lot of great books, "linux in a nutshell" being my favorite
[05:47] <shawn34> im not the greatest when it comes to network config in linux
[05:47] <shawn34> im learning too lol
[05:47] <dr_willis> Yea.. anything By Oreially in the bargin bins gets grabbed up by me. :)
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, just be warned that ubuntu does a lot of stuff in non-standard ways
[05:47] <scrubb2000> oh
[05:47] <shawn34> sry
[05:47] <scrubb2000> hmm...
[05:47] <shawn34> scrubb2000: i've never had a problem patched in
[05:48] <shawn34> even if i fresh install with no net connection, then boot up patched in it works automatically
[05:48] <shawn34> so i never really had to trouble shoot it
[05:48] <kristjan> shawn34: install gnome-themes and choose in kcontrol under "gtk applications" a theme other than kde's
[05:48] <joooooooe> ok kdeutil,  is tthe package that carries kwikdisk, does ku have it?
[05:48] <shawn34> k
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, actually, the way i learn a lot of things is i'll see a command somewhere that i don't recoignize, and i'll look up exactly WHY it works
[05:48] <shawn34> kristjan: thanks
[05:49] <Mys_Teri> hitmanWilly: What is o'reillys full name please?
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, O'Reily books
[05:49] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, it's a publishing company
[05:50] <shawn34> scrubb2000: how old is your pc
[05:50] <B4C> i m using kubunu 6.06
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> Mys_Teri, its ok, it happens to the best of us
[05:50] <B4C> i vcant dial through kppp
[05:52] <scrubb2000> brand spankin new.
[05:52] <scrubb2000> Which might be the problem?
[05:52] <scrubb2000> It's an nForce 680i chipset
[05:52] <purpleposeidon> Somehow, I got the menus to be on the top of the screen, but now I cant figure out how to get them back inside their windows....how do I do that?
[05:52] <B4C> when i dial, the pppd crashes
[05:52] <scrubb2000> the network adaptors are marvell, and I seem to remember linux having problems with those before, but I have no idea where that's at now.
[05:53] <dr_willis> heh.. its a setting.. somewhere purpleposeidon  - a check box - i forget where however.
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, asus motherboard?
[05:53] <purpleposeidon> dr_willis: yeah, me too :b
[05:53] <scrubb2000> yes
[05:53] <Mys_Teri> Okay thanks for all the info.  Got to run now.  Have a great evening everyone.
[05:54] <orient2000> news magazine for kubuntu first edition http://www.fullcirclemagazine.org
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i have a marvell yukon ethernet adapter on mine, what exactly is the issue?
[05:57] <scrubb2000> linux sees eth0 and eth1, but I can't seem to get them working.
[05:57] <scrubb2000> dhcp fails, ifconfig eth0:0 up fails
[05:58] <spitwise1> dhclient command fails?
[05:58] <scrubb2000> yup
[05:58] <scrubb2000> it tries a bunch of times then says it got no response.
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, are you running through a router?
[05:58] <scrubb2000> yes
[05:58] <cskj> hey when i select the numlock on kde startup it doesn't work
[05:58] <scrubb2000> the router is the dhcp server
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it's configured for DHCP, right?
[05:59] <spitwise1> make sure its not a bad cable
[05:59] <spitwise1> that happened to me just today -- i had to recrimp
[06:00] <spitwise1> after rebooting modem, router, blah
[06:00] <bobleny> Hey, what would this command do? chmod g+t auto_saver
[06:00] <scrubb2000> it's working fine right now in windows.
[06:01] <spitwise1> got all the right modules for your card?
[06:02] <noxwayxhome_> anyone know of a good distro for a media server would be
[06:02] <dr_willis> knoppmyth can do that :)
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, if it's a marvell yukon, kubuntu comes with 'em
[06:02] <shawn34> scrubb2000: you have good link lights?
[06:02] <angasule> !googleearth
[06:03] <scrubb2000> yes and yes
[06:03] <spitwise1> heh
[06:03] <spitwise1> hmm
[06:03] <scrubb2000> how do I check which modules I have/need?
[06:04] <bobleny> Hey, would this command, "chmod g+t auto_saver" give all subfolders in "auto_saver" the same permissions?
[06:04] <dr_willis> bobbyd__,  nope.
[06:04] <scrubb2000> I have a module from nvidia called forcedeth.c, but I have no idea how to check for/install it.
[06:04] <dr_willis> yoy may want to use the -R option
[06:04] <dr_willis> -R = recursive
[06:04] <thev> anyone know why the spell check might not be working in new Open Office docs, but works in previous docs?
[06:05] <scrubb2000> I'm still fairly new to linux, but I'm not afraid of command lines or editing config files.
[06:05] <spitwise1> bobleny: you'll need to use the recursive option i beleive
[06:05] <bobleny> dr_willis, was that aimed twords me?
[06:05] <dr_willis> sad to say that some of the nvidia chipsets have ussies.
[06:06] <angasule> !ubotu
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[06:06] <angasule> !googleearth
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[06:06] <bobleny> Could you tell me how to do that?
[06:06] <dr_willis> bobbyd__,  yep. you may want to use the -R for recursive to do all the things.. BUT that would also do the dirs and files.. Hmm
[06:06] <shawn34> scrubb2000: you can try in #ubuntu cause your issue isn't kde/gnome related
[06:06] <spitwise1> type : man chmod
[06:07] <shawn34> anyone use the 'moodbar' plugin for amarok?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> scrubb: try this : modprobe -l | grep marvell
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000: that'll let you know if it's loading the modules
[06:09] <spitwise1> or lsmod | grep marvell to list whats loaded
[06:09] <spitwise1> modprobe loads them no?
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> that too :)
[06:09] <spitwise1> ;)
[06:10] <scrubb2000> Will the module have marvell in it somewhere?  What if it's a generic driver?
[06:10] <WillLuongo> Hello, can anyone help me install the Java runtime environment from the console? When I try using adept I can't get it to get through the EULA
[06:12] <spitwise1> what does lspci command tell you the card is exactly?
[06:12] <spitwise1> and how did you install kubuntu in the first place?
[06:14] <spitwise1> google is telling me you may need the sky2 module
[06:14] <scrubb2000> spitwise1, the network adaptors are onboard the mobo
[06:14] <scrubb2000> I used a liveDVD to install
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, they still show up on lspci
[06:15] <spitwise1> scrubb2000: read this forum: http://www.sysresccd.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=3286&sid=313d7e93cee097574e70f22492b1a258
[06:15] <scrubb2000> Oh really?  Is that for legacy reasons or something?
[06:15] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, they're still on the bus, just not the plugin slots
[06:16] <scrubb2000> ah ha
[06:16] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, actually, on this chipset it puts the net adapter on the pci-e bus
[06:17] <scrubb2000> hmm...
[06:18] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, just a thought, try swapping ports on the back, i had to do that on slack for some reason
[06:18] <scrubb2000> I also just noticed that the manual calls them "NV gigabit LAN controller"
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> lsmod
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> crap
[06:20] <spitwise1> scrubb2000: lsmod | grep sk98lin
[06:21] <spitwise1> is _that_ loaded?
[06:21] <compilerwriter> schuenemann:  I didn't right sun's jdk, but know someone who might have had a hand in it.
[06:21] <scrubb2000> I'll have to reboot to find out.  What if it turns out it's not?
[06:21] <compilerwriter> s/right/write
[06:21] <spitwise1> modprobe that sucker
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, also, try modprobing forcedeth
[06:22] <spitwise1> pastebin your lsmod
[06:23] <spitwise1> !pastebin
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[06:23] <spitwise1> er nevermind
[06:23] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, he can't, he's dual boot w/ no net on linux side
[06:23] <spitwise1> heheh
[06:23] <scrubb2000> I can pastebin anything, but you gotta request it ahead of time. ;)
[06:24] <scrubb2000> Which reminds me...
[06:24] <spitwise1> well grab a pen .. ?
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> spitwise1, hold on, my chipset's pretty similar to his, i'll paste mine for comparison
[06:24] <kristjan> how do I see MTU used (networking)
[06:24] <scrubb2000> I have my windows partition set to a mount point, but it shows up as empty in konqueror
[06:26] <scrubb2000> Any ideas why, and how to fix it?
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ok, here's my lsmod, but im running feisty so it might not be exactly the same http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15903/
[06:28] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I see forcedeth in there.
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, try modprobing it
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ie sudo modprobe forcedeth
[06:30] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, if it's installed, that'll load it
[06:30] <scrubb2000> will do.
[06:30] <scrubb2000> Now, how do I get the files in my windows partition to be visible in konqueor?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, show hidden?
[06:31] <scrubb2000> I can mount the drive no problem, but it's empty when I open it up.  It's FAT32.
[06:31] <scrubb2000> Didn't know it would hide the files by default.
[06:31] <scrubb2000> Is that under the menu bar somewhere?
[06:31] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, try an explicit mount i.e. mount -t vfat
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, somewhere
[06:32] <scrubb2000> explicit command won't break KDE somehow, will it?
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i use krusader or the konsole mostly
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, not that one, no
[06:32] <scrubb2000> ok.
[06:32] <scrubb2000> Any outputs you guys want me to record?
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, any error msgs and the output of any modprobes
[06:33] <scrubb2000> k.  I use > to send it to a file right?  My memory's a bit rusty.
[06:33] <beau> would anyone know why when i try an open adept i get "su returned with an error"?
[06:34] <spitwise1> mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mount/point
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yeah, that should do it
[06:34] <scrubb2000> OK.  I'll be back in a little while.  Thanks for the help folks.
[06:35] <WillLuongo> Something went very wrong with my display settings. Can anyone help me get them back?
[06:36] <spitwise1> which display settings?
[06:37] <WillLuongo> Well, I was trying to run Doom 2 in Wine, when it crashed, and changed my resolution. I was putting it back to normal when the display crashed completely (fuzzy lines in middle of blank screen) When I reboot and login, I don't see my desktop manager or anything, just the background. So I logged in in failsafe mode and started my IRC client via Konsole
[06:38] <spitwise1> i would try launching kcontrol from konsole and see if you can fiddle with something there
[06:39] <abortd> there a program for linux that lets me backup dvds and cds?
[06:39] <spitwise1> k3b
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> abortd, k9copy
[06:39] <abortd> what about gnome :)
[06:40] <spitwise1> gnomebaker?
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> abortd: not really that familiar w/ gnome
[06:40] <abortd> dang
[06:40] <bobleny> I have a folder that has permissions like this: "drwxrwsr-x 9 bob www-data". When I make a subdirectory in that folder, I would like it to automaticly take on it's parents permissions. How do I do that?
[06:41] <spitwise1> me neither i just searched it ;)
[06:41] <premier_> whats the status of 64bit on linux, esp kubuntu and debian?  I'm going to get an AMD64 computer this summer, and I'm going to install kubuntu and something else, prolly debian
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> apt-cache search "f the riaa" :)
[06:41] <spitwise1> hehhe
[06:42] <spitwise1> WillLuongo: luck?
[06:42] <WillLuongo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Major opcode:  144
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:42] <WillLuongo> Failed to open device
[06:42] <WillLuongo> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Major opcode:  144
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:42] <WillLuongo>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:42] <WillLuongo> Failed to open device
[06:42] <hitmanWilly> !paste | WillLuongo
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[06:43] <spitwise1> alllrighty then
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> o...k...
[06:44] <bobleny> No ideas?
[06:45] <_chocobo> Hey how do u change the pass of a usr account through terminal?
[06:45] <korrx> passwd
[06:45] <spitwise1> passwd username
[06:45] <korrx> ! man passwd
[06:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man passwd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <bobleny> I take it thats a no?
[06:46] <hitmanWilly> korrx, man works better in konsole :)
[06:46] <bobleny> Good Point
[06:47] <korrx> hitmanWilly sure
[06:47] <spitwise1> bobleny:
[06:48] <spitwise1> you said before g+t .. you want everyone to have permissions recursively?
[06:48] <Andre_> hello fellas
[06:48] <c1|freaky> whats the meaning of fellas?
[06:48] <spitwise1> dudes
[06:49] <bobleny> I would ignore the g+t
[06:49] <Andre_> has anyone ever encountered a problem where all your icons and task bar etc disappear from your desktop?
[06:49] <korrx> _chocobo : ok with passwd ?
[06:49] <c1|freaky> and why do english artists always tell about "dogs" in their songs like "this goes to all my dogs in the clubs"?  or smth. like that
[06:49] <spitwise1> is that a yes bobleny ?
[06:49] <bobleny> This is my new question: I have a folder that has permissions like this: "drwxrwsr-x 9 bob www-data". When I make a subdirectory in that folder, I would like it to automaticly take on it's parents permissions. How do I do that?
[06:49] <shawn34> Andre_: ctrl-alt-backspace
[06:49] <c1|freaky> Andre_: me never
[06:50] <Andre_> tried restarting the session already
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, it should iirc
[06:50] <_chocobo> so
[06:50] <_chocobo> whats the command
[06:50] <_chocobo> for password
[06:50] <korrx> Andre_ : maybe something wrong in your .kde files too I guess
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, passwd
[06:50] <_chocobo> just that
[06:50] <_chocobo> ?
[06:50] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, what is iirc?
[06:50] <korrx> _chocobo : passwd <user>
[06:50] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, actually passwd <username>
[06:50] <spitwise1> if i recall correctly me too
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, If I Remember Correctly
[06:51] <Andre_> sigh
[06:51] <Andre_> ok
[06:51] <hitmanWilly> bobleny, irc shorthand
[06:51] <Andre_> how do u fix?
[06:51] <bobleny> hitmanWilly, Ok, how does that help? lol
[06:51] <c1|freaky> bobleny: umm, that's not possible afaik using console commands. u can set a umask but that would count for all files you create as that user
[06:52] <Andre_> hello?
[06:52] <spitwise1> a dir should take on its parents automatiically if created after that parent
[06:52] <_chocobo> Anybody know how my friend made my deskotp black, executed xaos and all that stuff?
[06:52] <_chocobo> how do i fix
[06:52] <_chocobo> my desktop from bein black
[06:52] <korrx> Andre_ pastebin ls -R ~/.kde
[06:53] <c1|freaky> _chocobo: rightclick on the desktop and use configure desktop or something like that
[06:53] <c1|freaky> and then u can change the background
[06:53] <_chocobo> nah icons
[06:53] <_chocobo> are gone
[06:53] <_chocobo> its just black
[06:53] <_chocobo> he said he sued
[06:53] <_chocobo> kciker
[06:53] <_chocobo> and kdesktop
[06:53] <_chocobo> or something
[06:53] <c1|freaky> have u tried to relogin?
[06:54] <bobleny> c1|freaky, what is a umask?
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, right click cmds should still work
[06:54] <_chocobo> right click what/
[06:54] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, anywhere on the desktop
[06:54] <c1|freaky> umask is a mask with which new files are created.
[06:54] <_chocobo> nope doesn't bring up any menu
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, try alt-f2
[06:55] <_chocobo> nope
[06:55] <_chocobo> i still ahve terminal open though
[06:55] <spitwise1> bobleny: dunno if this helps, but chmod -R 777 /blah/dittyblah will make that dir and everything under it world-readable/writable/executable
[06:55] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, kcontrol in term will bring up settings menu
[06:56] <bobleny> spitwise1, I don't want to do that though
[06:56] <_chocobo> i tried k control but nothing happened
[06:56] <_chocobo> kcontrol*
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> _chocobo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kde-base maybe?
[06:57] <spitwise1> are you in X even?
[06:57] <spitwise1> or just console
[06:57] <vinces1979> _chocobo: log-out and check that session is KDE, not failsafe
[06:58] <hitmanWilly> even if it was failsafe, it should still bring up kcontrol
[06:58] <_chocobo> i just typed in
[06:58] <_chocobo> kicker
[06:58] <_chocobo> and kdesktop
[06:58] <_chocobo> and it was good
[06:58] <_chocobo> !
[06:59] <hitmanWilly> ok, he killed those apps
[07:00] <spitwise1> bobleny: you dealing with symbolic links?
[07:01] <shawn34> can you change the default login theme?
[07:01] <korrx> hitmanWilly : an idea why he killed those apps for _chocobo ?
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> shawn34, yup
[07:01] <hitmanWilly> korrx, fscking with him?
[07:01] <shawn34> ahh i found it
[07:01] <shawn34> in advanced
[07:01] <shawn34> lol
[07:02] <korrx> hitmanWilly : no. Thirst of knowledge
[07:02] <hitmanWilly> korrx, true, he now has a slightly better understanding of how kde works
[07:03] <korrx> ;)
[07:06] <jbrouhard98> anyone tell me why qparted won't let me resize a NTFS volume on my laptop (i'm currently on it using the liveCD) so I can dual boot my laptop ??
[07:06] <jbrouhard98> it keeps saying "unable to read NTFS partition: Operation Not Permitted" or some such thing.
[07:06] <Psiuyo> What's the best way to connect to a pptp vpn with kubuntu?  network-manager-pptp wants to install a bunch of gnome stuff so I figure there must be a better way...
[07:08] <jtt> jbrouhard98: seems like i read that qparted was not supporting NTFS until a later date
[07:08] <jtt> could be incorrect though
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> damn.
[07:09] <hitmanWilly> !ntfs
[07:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> I remember being able to do this once upon a time
[07:09] <jbrouhard98> just can't remember if I used Kubuntu or a regular ubuntu disc :/
[07:09] <jtt> thanks hitman i was just about to do that
[07:10] <jtt> jbrouhard98:  ubuntu/kubuntu shouldnt matter qparted is below the desktop interfce
[07:10] <jtt> since i run windows under vmware i dont run into that problem
[07:11] <hitmanWilly> jtt, regular ubuntu comes with gparted on the cd, i think
[07:12] <scrubb2000> OK, I'm back.
[07:12] <jtt> hitmanWilly: yes it would being gnome based
[07:12] <scrubb2000> !pastebin
[07:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:12] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, any luck?
[07:13] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly,Forcedeth seems to be present, but I dunno.
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> short answer, ntfs is a closed fs, and so linux tools do not, to my knowledge, have the ability to change ntfs partitions (resize, etc)
[07:13] <scrubb2000> I dumped the output from modprobe -l and -c, lsmod, dhclient, and ifconfig
[07:13] <Andre_> hello
[07:13] <scrubb2000> which ones do you want to see. :P
[07:13] <scrubb2000> er ?
[07:14] <Andre_> that command korrx
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, all of em :)
[07:14] <scrubb2000> k
[07:14] <scrubb2000> gimme a minute
[07:14] <hitmanWilly> k
[07:16] <scrubb2000> here's ifconfig: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15910/
[07:16] <scrubb2000> dhclient and ifconfig eth0:0 up: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15911/
[07:17] <scrubb2000> lsmod: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15912/
[07:18] <scrubb2000> I think I flooded the pastebin...lol
[07:18] <scrubb2000> modprobe -l: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15913/
[07:19] <[pyro] > hi guys
[07:19] <scrubb2000> and modprobe -c: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15914/
[07:19] <scrubb2000> happy reading.  I'm going to go make lunch for tomorrow.  brb.
[07:19] <jza873> hello every one
[07:20] <jza873> question in k3b it wont let me burn mp3 cd's by default says i need a MAD mp3 decoder how do i get this to work
[07:21] <jza873> not mp3 cd's  but audio cd's brom mp3 format
[07:21] <jza873> *from
[07:21] <jza873> any ideas?
[07:21] <mackyman> maybe
[07:21] <mackyman> I chall check the repos
[07:22] <[pyro] > does anyone know why after installing Nvidia drivers an X login wont appear unless i press CTRL ALT F7 ?
[07:22] <[pyro] > i just get a txt login on term 1
[07:22] <jza873> ctrl + alt + f7 is x all the others are terminals
[07:23] <mackyman> jza873: If you type: sudo apt-get install libmad0
[07:23] <mackyman> What is the output?
[07:23] <jza873> trying it now thanks
[07:23] <mackyman> Does it install the mad lib or do you already have it?
[07:23] <cskj> guys i have a big problem
[07:23] <cskj> all the panels on my desktop have disappeared
[07:23] <[pyro] > jza873 Yeah i know, i want the x login to display on boot, but i get a txt login. I have to press CTRL ALT and F7 to get the login screen. Its not automatic like it used to be before i installed Nvidia drivers.
[07:24] <mackyman> [pyro] : Was it only after installing nvidia drivers?
[07:24] <jza873> jza873@jza873-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install libmad0
[07:24] <jza873> Reading package lists... Done
[07:24] <jza873> Building dependency tree
[07:24] <jza873> Reading state information... Done
[07:24] <jza873> libmad0 is already the newest version.
[07:24] <jza873> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:24] <hitmanWilly> cskj, what were you doing when this happened?
[07:24] <cskj> changing my login theme
[07:24] <[pyro] > mackyman: yep. The nvidia drivers seem to work ok. when i switch to term 7 i get the X login and i can log in ok
[07:25] <[pyro] > mackyman: the system is just not booting to the X login.
[07:25] <hitmanWilly> cskj, can you change it back?
[07:25] <[pyro] > i put nvidia into /etc/modules hoping to load it before x tries to, but still no luck.
[07:25] <mackyman> [pyro] : have you checked if kdm is running?
[07:25] <cskj> nope
[07:25] <cskj> i cannot access settings because i cannot access my panels
[07:26] <[pyro] > mackyman: yes kdm is running
[07:26] <mackyman> Strange.. Kdm shuld start X
[07:26] <hitmanWilly> cskj, alt-f2 run kdesktop && kicker
[07:26] <[pyro] > mackyman: i just restarted kdm and i get the login screen up again
[07:27] <mackyman> As it shuld be then
[07:27] <purpleposeidon> contrary to fixing my menu-bar problem, I have made it worst. The menus are now centered.
[07:27] <[pyro] > mackyman yeah it all seems to work ok, just not booting up to the x login. Im wondering if i need to specify kdm to load a little bit later in the boot sequence?
[07:28] <mackyman> [pyro] : Well, that you have to ask someone else, that's over my liuge. But I guess you have to check so that kdm is started after X
[07:28] <[pyro] > hmm ok
[07:28] <mackyman> But I don't understand how Nvidia drivers shuld change the boot sequesens.... =/
[07:28] <[pyro] > mackyman: thanks for your help :)
[07:28] <jza873> nope it still wont let be burn audio cd's from mp3 says i need the library
[07:28] <Andre_> how do u rename a foldr using konsole
[07:28] <mackyman> [pyro] : np
[07:29] <[pyro] > mackyman yeah its got me miffed too. ive been using linux for the past 10 years
[07:29] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, u back?
[07:29] <jza873> damn i been using it for like a week
[07:29] <mackyman> Andre_: mv <folder> <newName>
[07:29] <jza873> so any more suggestions
[07:29] <jtt> cskj: perhaps you can  CNTL + ALT + F1  and  mv ~/.kde  to  ~/.kde.orig , pkill -9 kdm and  restart kdm and you should get new  .kde dir under home
[07:30] <[pyro] > and ive never seen this kind of thing before. the only thing i can think of is x is not loading the driver properly, the system thinks there is no x so it defaults to txt login. then when i press CTRL ALT F7 it switch's to x and loads up the login screen. Its like it continues to load X once i switch to term 7
[07:30] <jtt> and your old screen back
[07:30] <Andre_> grazi
[07:30] <mackyman> jza873: hehe
[07:30] <mackyman> Easier than I saw before
[07:30] <jza873> ok
[07:30] <jza873> so...
[07:30] <mackyman> sudo apt-get install libk3b2-mp3
[07:30] <jza873> hay im learning
[07:31] <mackyman> We all are
[07:31] <jtt> pyro: X is running other wise you would not have login screen on F7
[07:31] <jza873> mackyman damn your good
[07:32] <mackyman> =)
[07:32] <SubOne> if i run a shell script like "../../script" is there a way for the script to know the relative path from where the script is located to where the script was run (pwd)?
[07:32] <jza873> is ther a way to view repo's like look at what they have to offer
[07:32] <mackyman> have you tried Adept jza873?
[07:33] <jtt> jza873: packages.ubuntu.org
[07:33] <jza873> yea i use adept
[07:33] <jza873> but that dont show everything
[07:33] <mackyman> Adept shuld show everything
[07:33] <jza873> like when i installed afterstep and icewm and ion3
[07:33] <mackyman> ...
[07:33] <jza873> it dosnt show eveything
[07:34] <mackyman> Strange... It shuld
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> there's a lot of libs and other stuff that don't show up under adept
[07:34] <premier_> is there as simple way to create encrypted folders in ubuntu/linux?
[07:34] <jza873> i had to use apt-get to get ion3
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> i generally use synaptic
[07:34] <hitmanWilly> or apt
[07:35] <jza873> synaptic..?
[07:35] <purpleposeidon> premier_: depends on your definition of simple
[07:35] <jza873> another package manager?
[07:35] <hitmanWilly> synaptic is just a gui frontend for apt
[07:35] <Marthy> there is synaptic or adept
[07:35] <Marthy> both frontends for apt
[07:35] <jza873> ok
[07:35] <purpleposeidon> premier_: there's a way to mount a file wiht some encrypted-loopback mush-push, but that's all I can tell you about it
[07:35] <premier_> purpleposeidon: what are the most popular ways?  Do any provide guis?
[07:35] <mackyman> I use adept for most part, and apt when it don't seems enough or rumbling trough guides. But I have never found a likening to synaptics
[07:35] <jza873> one better then the other?
[07:36] <jza873> ohh ok
[07:36] <Marthy> they are about the same
[07:36] <cskj> hey guys i've renamed my kde folder...n still no panels
[07:36] <Marthy> i think, its preference i guess
[07:36] <cskj> i've gotten default settings but still no panels
[07:36] <jza873> i like adept nit i cant find everything
[07:36] <hitmanWilly> adept is easier, synaptic is more powerful
[07:36] <mackyman> True, true
[07:36] <jza873> moe powerful as how
[07:37] <hitmanWilly> jza873, shows up individual packages
[07:37] <Marthy> i liked the search in adept better, but thats me
[07:37] <jtt> cskj: panels you mean the icons etc along the bottom of the screen
[07:37] <Marthy> they both can search
[07:37] <cskj> yepp
[07:38] <jza873> ya know i was sick of windows thats y i got a mac then i wanted to try linux but i was worried i wouldnt get any help but you guys are great so heplful thanks
[07:38] <cskj> is there a way to manually launch both my panels and kicker
[07:38] <jtt> cskj: put your mouse in the area where the panel use to be and right mouse click, menu appear?
[07:38] <cskj> nope
[07:39] <mackyman> jza873: That's why this channel exist
[07:39] <jtt> cskj: move your mouse to all 4 corners of screen and repeat right moust click
[07:39] <jza873> i almost installed slackware instead of kubuntu
[07:39] <jza873> that probily would have been hell
[07:39] <cskj> nope
[07:39] <cskj> still doesn't work
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> jza873, slack is extremely old school
[07:40] <hitmanWilly> jza873, its great if you don't mind hand configuring stuff
[07:40] <jtt> cskj:  CNTL + ALT + F1  ,  login ,  ls -ld  .kde  see what the time on the .kde directory is
[07:41] <jtt> cskj: want to see if it was jsut created
[07:41] <scrubb2000> Ok I'm back finally
[07:41] <jza873> i herd it is very good tho very stable and not too hard and it has something simmilar to apt-get
[07:41] <scrubb2000> Any miraculous insights?
[07:41] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ok, your net adapters are working, its something to do with DHCP
[07:42] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, why wouldn't ifconfig work then?
[07:42] <jza873> what about gentoo herd that was good but is that a pain also
[07:43] <Marthy> ive used gentoo
[07:43] <mackyman> jza873: Well, gentoo is ALL manually tuned
[07:43] <jza873> any thing worth while
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, ifconfig is seeing the cards, so that's not the problem
[07:43] <Marthy> long while ago, it can be fast if config'd properly
[07:43] <scrubb2000> Ok.
[07:43] <scrubb2000> DHCP works fine under windows.  Why wouldn't it work under linux?
[07:43] <mackyman> jza873: I got tired of gentoo when I realised that I was trying to tune it to behave about as Kubuntu
[07:43] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, do you have any kind of encryption or network keys on the router?
[07:44] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, not that I know of.
[07:44] <jza873> really
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it almost looks like the router and linux aren't talking
[07:44] <jza873> so no one distro is really better then another all you pretty look for is the packmage manager is what i herd
[07:44] <mackyman> jza873: and especially when trying to install kdm and the two dependecies of it was blocking each other
[07:44] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I can't imagine why.  DHCP is cross-platform, no?
[07:44] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, open up <IP_ADDRESS> in your web browser
[07:45] <mackyman> jza873: Well, and the install
[07:45] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, that takes me to the router's settings page
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yes, i use it on mine
[07:45] <jza873> well i herd gentoo is evil on the install
[07:45] <scrubb2000> I know how to use it.
[07:45] <scrubb2000> Any settings I should be aware of?
[07:45] <mackyman> jza873: It's a ~40page manual
[07:45] <mackyman> It's not as hard as it sound
[07:45] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, take a look anything security or DHCP related
[07:46] <kristjan_> what is doublescan
[07:46] <jza873> so is ther a version that is really better then any others
[07:46] <mackyman> But...  Different type of distrons are good for different type of persons
[07:47] <mackyman> jza873: Kubuntu is the way for me atleast. I like the way everything is working and LOVE the support. I wuld still be running windows without it
[07:47] <jza873> question how do you address someone in red liek u been addressing me
[07:48] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, actually, do you have a firewall running on nix?
[07:48] <fignew_> jza873: you put their nickname somewhere in the message
[07:48] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, DHCP is enabled...no password or anything.
[07:49] <scrubb2000> hitmanwilly, I have no idea...it's the default kubuntu installation.
[07:49] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, some firewalls will block DHCP
[07:50] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, once you get into linux again, run firestarter and select stop firewall from the menu and see if it connects
[07:50] <jza873> is ther a program to like ghost my system incase i mess it up
[07:51] <mackyman> jza873: I have thought of that too
[07:51] <jza873> i do have a tendency to mess a lot of stuff up in the learning process
[07:51] <scrubb2000> is that on the k-menu?
[07:51] <mackyman> jza873: Wellcome to the club
[07:51] <jza873> lol
[07:51] <jza873> luckly it only take 10 mins to reinstall
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, it might be, i'd just run it in konsole
[07:52] <scrubb2000> ok
[07:52] <scrubb2000> any other suggestions?
[07:52] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, you have to kdesu it
[07:52] <mackyman> jza873: I guess one option is to make /home/ on another partition. Then you won't lose any personaly work data when reinstall
[07:53] <scrubb2000> kdesu?  is that like sudo for the gui apps?
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure dhclient maybe
[07:53] <jza873> yea ill have to do taht some time i do have and external 300 gb hd tho
[07:53] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, yeah
[07:53] <jza873> and you can buy 1tb hd from dell for like 300$
[07:53] <jza873> so that may be an investment
[07:54] <scrubb2000> Ok, I'll go try the firewall thing.  brb.
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> scrubb2000, i have to go, work tommorrow
[07:54] <scrubb2000> heh heh me too
[07:54] <scrubb2000> thanks for the help though.
[07:54] <scrubb2000> At least i Know what ISN"T the problem now.
[07:54] <jza873> one more question b4 i leave any goodbooks i should buy to learn some more im done with windows and mac so im using linux full now and want to learn as much like i know with windows
[07:54] <mackyman> jza873: The other stuff usually don't take too long to install, just a matter of apt-get. You can alternativly download all the .deb packages when installing and store them in a dir, and in a reinstall, install them all with a bash-script so that you don't have to download them. But that's just a crazy Idea.
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> i'll be back in the channel tommorrow if you still haven't fixed it
[07:54] <scrubb2000> ok thanks.  Same time?
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> after about 6
[07:54] <hitmanWilly> cdt
[07:55] <scrubb2000> sooper.  goodnight then.
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> so pretty close, yeah
[07:55] <hitmanWilly> night
[07:55] <jza873> yea im ghost too ill be back on late tomorrow
[07:55] <jza873> later
[07:55] <mackyman> jza873: I guess you have to find a book for just Ubuntu or Cubuntu
[07:55] <mackyman> *kubuntu
[07:55] <jza873> ill look
[07:55] <mackyman> Ubuntuforum.com usually is quite a good source of knowledge
[07:56] <[pyro] > jtt: yeah i figured that. but what i dont know is why doesnt the computer default to termainal 7 so i can login to x. I just get txt login and have to press CTRL ALT F7 to get the x login.
[08:01] <jtt> pyro: if kdm created an new .kde under your home directory then i am a little baffled as to why you dont have the default screen back
[08:02] <jtt> pyro: themes are basically user preferences and come from your  .kde  directory
[08:02] <mackyman> [pyro] : have you checked /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:02] <mackyman> ?
[08:02] <jtt> oh well, early flight tomorrow, later folks
[08:02] <mackyman> cya jtt
[08:02] <jtt> cya all
[08:04] <mackyman> [pyro] : And are there any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:04] <mackyman> Whops... Late. Have to get to the bus to work
[08:05] <mackyman> cya everyone and bbl
[08:09] <se7en_> i need some help with nvidia fx 5200 i have done everything including easyubuntu and automatics. all i get is a black screen if i change from nv driver to nvidia ...
[08:14] <[pyro] > se7en_ : press CTRL ALT F7
[08:14] <[pyro] > se7en_; do you get the login?
[08:15] <se7en_> [pyro] : no i get a black screen just before i can log in and ctrl alt f1 doesn't do anything
[08:15] <[pyro] > CTRL ALT and F7
[08:16] <[pyro] > se7en_: 7 as in Seven
[08:16] <[pyro] > :S
[08:16] <se7en_> yes
[08:16] <se7en_> f7 doesn't do anything as well
[08:19] <mardi> hi, i'm trying to copy a cd to an .iso with Kubuntu 6.10. I'm doing: dd if=/dev/cdrw of=/home/mysuer/Desktop/cd6.iso conv=noerror, will this work?
[08:20] <mardi> well, 645830656 bytes (646 MB) copied, 188.916 seconds, 3.4 MB/s so i guess so...
[08:21] <bobstro> mardi: been awhile, but i used to do it that way.
[08:21] <bobstro> mardi: for a simple data cd, it should be fine.
[08:21] <mardi> ok, thanks bobstro
[08:22] <korrx> more elegant than mkisofs ?
[08:23] <bobstro> korrx: simpler at least!
[08:23] <korrx> :)
[08:24] <mardi> one sec, it shows a file size of 0 bytes
[08:24] <bobstro> korrx: i suppose if you were preparing a bunch of files to go to cd by hand.
[08:24] <korrx> yes