[01:21] <G4b1t> I got
[01:21] <G4b1t> The following packages have been kept back:
[01:21] <G4b1t>   ubuntu-core-launcher
[01:21] <G4b1t> in terminal after
[01:21] <G4b1t> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:21] <G4b1t> should I
[01:21] <G4b1t> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:45] <YankDownUnder> G4b1t: Have you already done that yet?
[02:37] <xubuntu89w> is there anyway to integrate the catfish file search software into thunar?
[02:37] <xubuntu89w> It'd be a lot easier if I could seach directly from my file manager
[02:40] <Guest64063> Hi, I'm having some trouble installing xubuntu 16.04.1, I keep getting this message and then it never progresses
[02:40] <Guest64063> A start job is running for Ubuntu live CD installer (1 min 24s/no limit)
[02:40] <Guest64063> I did have 16.04 on before and it was doing that and for another comp after a few tries the install booted fine
[02:41] <Guest64063> with the new comp it hasn't gone to the installation screen successfully yet
[02:41] <YankDownUnder> Guest64063: Have you considered re-partitioning the USB and reformatting it before creating a new liveUSB?
[02:42] <YankDownUnder> Guest64063: Oh wait, sorry - you said you've got the CD/DVD, right?
[02:42] <TheReaperKing> I don't mind doing that, I have reformatted it twice before
[02:42] <TheReaperKing> no, on a USB, and I'm guest
[02:42] <TheReaperKing> realized it was on freenode so popped over :)
[02:43] <YankDownUnder> TheReaperKing: Right oh - ok, so if it's a USB, then, again, give it a go doing a re-partition and re-format - do it manually - with gparted or similar - before creating the liveUSB...flashdrives don't last forever, and they're actually quite prone to error...
[02:43] <TheReaperKing> I did just have ubuntu on it right before xubuntu and it had no problems
[02:44] <TheReaperKing> but I ended just wanting xubuntu since I like xfce better anyway so no real point for the overhead
[02:44] <TheReaperKing> I can try that for sure though
[02:45] <YankDownUnder> TheReaperKing: Yes - this is most likely quite true, however, that being said, they are "flash" drives...for my biz (throughout the week), every time I get a single error on a liveUSB, I blow it out and start again...just as best practice...
[02:46] <YankDownUnder> I don't like to chuck 'em in the bin - and I use them quite often...but every now and again one chucks a hissy fit - so, that being the case, I prefer to make SURE they're happy chappies before I get into a serious installation...make sense?
[02:48] <TheReaperKing> perfect, thank you for the suggestion!
[02:48] <TheReaperKing> I do use it at work a lot and it seems okay but I will give it another go and scan for bad sectors and all that good stuff
[02:48] <YankDownUnder> You're more than welcome, bro...good karma to give info, and save time, eh...
[02:48] <YankDownUnder> Coolbeans
[02:49] <TheReaperKing> Yeah and I'm loving xubuntu
[02:49] <TheReaperKing> I installed it on my work comp to run the minetest server for my students
[02:49] <TheReaperKing> and it is just absolutely flying
[02:49] <YankDownUnder> TheReaperKing: You oughta see it spanning dual monitors...XFce has always been nice, light and truly functional...
[02:50] <TheReaperKing> yeah back when I was a young lad I put it on my 350mhz compaq and it was flying!
[02:50] <TheReaperKing> Loved having my games in their own X window too
[02:50] <Orioa> i love xubuntu
[02:50] <TheReaperKing> I have been away from nix for a bit because of game dev and I'm SOOOO excited to be back!!
[02:50] <Orioa> but using linux mint atm
[02:51] <TheReaperKing> especially since I learned you can game dev with unreal on linux!!
[02:51] <YankDownUnder> TheReaperKing: Ok...fair enough - gaming - can't say that I'm into gaming, but it does what it's supposed to do...and that's what I care about...function that follows form.
[02:51] <TheReaperKing> For me it is more about creativity
[02:51] <TheReaperKing> I'm a writer as well, and right now my students are using minetest to design their dream homes
[02:52] <TheReaperKing> I added a ton of mods and made a game mode that gives them 25 something pages of items to decorate their houses
[02:52] <YankDownUnder> GIMP for me...and KDEnlive...and OpenShot...and LiVES...plus...
[02:52] <TheReaperKing> including plumping systems and eletrical
[02:52] <TheReaperKing> what is kdenlive, openshot and livesplus for?
[02:52] <TheReaperKing> er, what are
[02:52] <YankDownUnder> Video editing.
[02:52] <TheReaperKing> oh awesome
[02:53] <TheReaperKing> what kind of videos do you edit?
[02:53] <YankDownUnder> I do it on linux and the Mac...nice combo that.
[03:50] <legendre> hi hi
[03:50] <legendre> so I need some kind of benchmark / analysis tool for Xubuntu.
[03:51] <legendre> my machine has been a total POS since I u/g to the latest LTR
[03:51] <legendre> and I just can't deal with it anymore.. I swear, I'm going to try other distros or something as this machine is borderline usable at this point.
[03:52] <legendre> it seems like +any+ "intensive" app just brings the thing to its knees
[03:52] <legendre> this was simply not the case, not at all, with the old ver I had been running. (Previous LTS)
[03:53] <legendre> Really don't want to downgrade, as thats just not an option.. but I may have to swap distros if I can't resolve this.
[04:59] <wasq> Hi. I'm missing the network/wifi connections icon. Is there anyway to install that applet?
[05:23] <pavlushka> wasq: you can do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xfce4-indicator-plugin"
[05:26] <pavlushka> wasq: and to check you whether is wifi is working or not, you can run "iwconfig" and "ifconfig" to see if the wifi interface is working.
[05:27] <pavlushka> wasq: or you can paste those results in paste.ubuntu.com and give us the link to check.
[05:36] <pavlushka> wasq you should run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager" in place of xfce4-indicator-plugin
[05:42] <wasq> pavlushka, Running in chroot, ignoring request.
[05:43] <pavlushka> wasq: why you are running in chroot?
[05:43] <wasq> i'm on a chromebook. Using crouton to run zubuntu
[05:44] <wasq> pavlushka, i was on 14.04 and i upgraded to 16.04 and wifi disapeared so i wanted to get it back.
[05:46] <pavlushka> wasq: man, you have to bind some system directory with your running system I guess, not much familiar with that.
[05:48] <Unit193> wasq: Are 'nm-applet' and 'NetworkManager' running?
[05:49] <wasq> pavlushka, alright thanks. This is more of a curiosity than anything else. I'm actually connected from the chromebook that is missing the wifi connections manager.. Just cant figure out why i cant get wifi gui to show up
[05:50] <pavlushka> wasq: you might follow http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Chroot-BIND-HOWTO-2.html to make the commands work in your chroot env.
[05:51] <pavlushka> wasq: and also these, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot, http://superuser.com/questions/165116/mount-dev-proc-sys-in-a-chroot-environment
[05:52] <wasq> pavlushka, yes let me read into that. Just the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you.
[09:24] <glitchd> has anyone upgrade to 16
[09:24] <glitchd> 16.04 yet?
[09:24] <glitchd> 16.04.1*
[09:26] <knome> glitchd, why not ask your real question instead?
[09:26] <glitchd> knome, lol because i didnt want to waste anyones time.
[09:27] <knome> but you actually did, as i needed to answer that question first, and then your real question
[09:28] <glitchd> knome, i install ubuntu 16.04.1, then installed xubuntu-desktop. that part is fine. the problem is with the clock in the top panel. when i set the options for it and close the gui for that, the clock disappears. its still there, but its no longer displaying anything. i have to remove it from the panel and re-add it to see it again.
[09:28] <glitchd> knome, but again, if i set the options and close the gui it just disappears.
[09:29] <knome> YDU_away, please don't use awaynicks.
[09:30] <mrkramps> glitchd, you've installed all updates after installation?
[09:31] <glitchd> mrkramps, indeed
[09:31] <mrkramps> glitchd, which options did you change?
[09:31] <glitchd> mrkramps, how the time is displayed
[09:32] <glitchd> mrkramps, i would like it to have the am/pm next to the time
[09:33] <mrkramps> there is an empty entry in the dropdown menu oO
[09:33] <glitchd> huh?
[09:35] <mrkramps> glitchd, currently checking the issue in a VM hang on a second
[09:35] <glitchd> mmk
[09:35] <glitchd> thx
[09:40] <mrkramps> glitchd, after removing and adding it again does the clock applet have your settings applied?
[09:40] <glitchd> no
[09:40] <glitchd> mrkramps, ^^
[09:41] <mrkramps> glitchd, which language do you use?
[09:42] <glitchd> mrkramps, english
[09:43] <glitchd> mrkramps, i already installed any and all missing language packs
[09:43] <glitchd> mrkramps, i just havent logged out/in since then
[09:44] <glitchd> mrkramps, and im not finding one mention of this problem anywhere else
[09:46] <mrkramps> seems like i can reproduce this issue with a non-english language
[09:47] <glitchd> mrkramps, hmm..
[09:50] <mrkramps> glitchd, what's the output of following command:$ locale | grep LC_TIME
[09:51] <glitchd> mrkramps, glitchd@ubuntu16041:~$ locale | grep LC_TIME
[09:51] <glitchd> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
[09:59] <mrkramps> glitchd, other settings do work?
[09:59] <mrkramps> like everything else except AM/PM
[10:00] <glitchd> mrkramps, yes
[10:01] <mrkramps> glitchd, you could try generating you locale once again:$ sudo locale-gen
[10:01] <mrkramps> log out and in and look if it helps
[10:02] <glitchd> ill do that and be back in a minute to give the results
[10:05] <glitchd> mrkramps, nope that didnt help
[10:05] <glitchd> mrkramps, still disappeared when after i set the options
[10:05] <mrkramps> glitchd, have you changes anything in the regional format tab of the language settings?
[10:05] <glitchd> mrkramps, really if i even open the clock options gui and just close it without changing anything the clock still disappears
[10:07] <mrkramps> glitchd, you could check logfiles like ~/.xsession-errors or ~/.xfce4-session.log
[10:09] <glitchd> mrkramps, oddly enough, another clock has appeared on my top panel but i can barely read it because the panel is black /clear and the text is super dark..
[10:09] <mrkramps> oO
[10:10] <glitchd> mrkramps, is it ok if i pm you?
[10:10] <mrkramps> query is not a good idea
[10:10] <glitchd> query?..
[10:10] <mrkramps> would mean i am suddenly the only one responsible for the report
[10:10] <mrkramps> --report ++support
[10:11] <glitchd> mrkramps, well are u here to lurk, or to help?
[10:11] <mrkramps> private messages of IRC are generally know as queries … or did you mean something else?
[10:11] <glitchd> not thats what i meant
[10:11] <glitchd> no* that is what i meant
[10:13] <mrkramps> and i mean i am still hoping somebody else will appear here with a better approach to a solution
[10:14] <glitchd> mrkramps, well nevermind im tired of messing with it anyways.
[10:19] <glitchd> mrkramps, thanks anyways for the intended help, much appreciated. Adios.
[10:43] <drumcode303> what's the equivalent to Synaptic on xubuntu? and is maybe a better tool for handling installations?
[10:44] <drumcode303> is there*
[12:18] <G4b1t> drumcode303: you can install Synaptic on Xubuntu aswell. Xubuntu comes with "Software Center" and the new redesigned "Software" application by default.
[12:19] <drumcode303> thanks :)
[12:31] <drumcode303> how do I proceed in Synaptic after having marked packages for installation? how do I prompt the install?
[12:31] <mrkramps> drumcode303, apply
[12:32] <drumcode303> no such button visible i'm afraid
[12:32] <drumcode303> ah, it's greyed out
[13:01] <Guido1> Hello, I would like to clean up my Linux. I know that linux is storring un-needed files each time it updates. I'm not sure if that is the only wasted space. How can I clean all that?
[13:05] <mrkramps> Guido1, there is a cache for downloaded packages which can be cleaned:$ sudo apt-get clean
[13:05] <Guido1> mrkramps: is that the only thing which needs to be cleaned from time to time?
[13:05] <mrkramps> actually this gets cleaned automatically from time to time
[13:06] <mrkramps> depending on the applications you use or rather not use anymore there are configurations and caches in your home-folder
[13:07] <mrkramps> required manual cleaning, but those are most problably just a few MBs
[13:08] <mrkramps> and then there are old kernel versions which should be removed from time to time
[13:08] <GridCube> sudo apt-get autoremove and sudo apt-get autoclean
[13:08] <mrkramps> nope, autoclean does not remove all packages from the cache
[13:09] <mrkramps> see manpage
[13:09] <GridCube> thats what autoremove is for
[13:09] <flocculant> autoclean removes out of date packages, clean removes the whole shebang
[13:09] <mrkramps> not required packages like old dependencies or kernel versions can be removed with:$ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[13:10] <flocculant> that ^^
[13:10] <flocculant> personally I prefer autoclean over clean - but I tend to use dev versions so it's handy to be able to revert :)
[13:13] <Guido1> mrkramps, flocculant: okee, now I have 5 comands: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt install aptitude && sudo aptitude purge ~c; sudo apt-get autoremove and sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo apt-get autoremove --purge; sudo apt-get clean
[13:13] <mrkramps> oO
[13:15] <mrkramps> more or less this is all doing the same
[13:15] <Guido1> what is the difference between all of them?
[13:16] <mrkramps> apt-get and aptitude are two different clients for the package manager
[13:16] <mrkramps> you only need to use one and pre-installed is apt-get
[13:17] <mrkramps> 'clean' removes all packages from the download cache
[13:17] <mrkramps> 'autoclean' just outdated packages
[13:17] <pencilandpaper> It appeared that he was talking about installing aptitude with is commands there..before cleaning his cache.
[13:17] <pencilandpaper> Is aptitude preinstalled as well?
[13:18] <mrkramps> 'autoremove' automatically removes all packages which are not required anymore
[13:18] <mrkramps> 'autoremove --purge'' removes all thes packages including the systemwide configuration file
[13:18] <mrkramps> s
[13:19] <Guido1> and what does the parameter "c"
[13:19] <pencilandpaper> No it isn't.
[13:19] <mrkramps> Guido1, parameter ~c is for aptitude which you will not use
[13:20] <Guido1> okee
[13:21] <mrkramps> for more information consult the manpages - http://manpages.ubuntu.com ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/man
[13:22] <Guido1> I will have a look there as well. Thanks. I just discovverd that the partition with the desktop is quite full even so my documents etc. are on a different partition
[13:23] <mrkramps> Guido1, my guess … old kernel versions
[13:23] <Guido1> probaply and instalation left overs and maybe some other waste.
[13:25] <Guido1> I also have a strange "button" in the right top corner. Linux is running on my laptop and there are two symbols with an energy plug. They look the same. One is not functioning so.
[13:26] <mrkramps> xfce4-powermanager systray icon and power-indicator indicator applet icon?
[13:27] <Guido1> Don't know the names, but it appeard after an upgarde and has to do with power. it might very well be what you mention. they are both in the bare with the windows and next to each other.
[13:28] <Guido1> they also controll the light of the screen.
[13:30] <Guido1> and if I'm cleaning already: I have many folders in media/guido which seam to be created every time I inser an SD card.
[13:31] <mrkramps> those folders should be removed when the card is properly unmounted
[13:32] <Guido1> for some reason they are not :( Maybe I also did not removed it properly every time.
[13:34] <mrkramps> if those folder are empty, just remove them manually
[13:34] <mrkramps> and for the future, allways unmount/eject external media
[13:35] <Guido1> what is the command? moste of the time I do that. some times linux seas it as an internal media or i have to use the kill switch.
[16:19] <Zet> why is my lightdm suddenly in US keyboard layout mode, even though when I look at the Xorg.0.log, all the mentions of keyboard layout are "fi" (Finnish)?
[16:22] <Zet> ah, apparently not just lightdm, all of my X
[16:26] <Zet> even when I go into the XFCE keyboard settings, uncheck "use system defaults", and select "Finnish", it still won't switch to the Finnish layout
[16:26] <Zet> the only change I've made is I bought a new keyboard (wireless, with its own dongle)
[16:26] <Zet> I've rebooted a few times since changing keyboard, too
[16:27] <GridCube> Zet: http://www.shellhacks.com/en/HowTo-Change-Locale-Language-and-Character-Set-in-Linux
[16:27] <Zet> GridCube: no. not locale. keyboard layout.
[16:27] <Zet> it's very different
[16:27] <GridCube> yes
[16:27] <GridCube> no
[16:27] <GridCube> in fact is not
[16:28] <Zet> I've used Linux with a US English locale and Finnish keyboard layout for over 15 years, how are they suddenly the same now?
[16:29] <GridCube> i don't mean they are the same
[16:29] <GridCube> i mean they are related
[16:30] <GridCube> but you might want to check xkblayout then
[16:32] <Zet> it says (**) Option "xkb_layout" "fi" numerous times in my Xorg.0.log
[16:33] <GridCube> Zet: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49452/where-is-config-file-of-ibus-stored/236817#236817
[16:34] <Zet> oh ffs
[16:36] <Zet> hmm it also says XKBLAYOUT="fi" in my /etc/default/keyboard
[16:37] <Zet> "dconf dump /desktop/ibus/" prints nothing
[16:39] <Zet> the layout is correct in the console though, it's only X that fucks it up
[16:48] <zincing> Hi everyone! To get the VPN service I have to work I have to comment out the line "dns=dnsmasq" by adding a # in the file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf. Are there any disadvantages doing this?
[16:49] <Zet> GridCube: I managed to sort of fix it by adding another layout to the XFCE switcher app and then making sure Finnish was selected. weird.
[16:49] <Zet> probably still won't fix it in lightdm
[16:50] <Zet> but good enough for right this second
[20:19] <SirSlippers> HoWdY!!   I downkloaded some files that are */tar.gz and .deb and etc ...
[20:25] <SirSlippers> I can unpack them and I see all the files that are in the zip ... but how do I install them into my software list?
[20:25] <SirSlippers> how do I know if they have installed?
[20:29] <SirSlippers> I can use Archive Manager and it shows me the files but nothing else I can do ?
[20:31] <mrkramps> SirSlippers, source code required manual building and deb packages can be installed wheter on the command line or with gdebi
[20:31] <mrkramps> --required ++requires
[20:32] <SirSlippers> ok .. how do I do those things?
[20:32] <mrkramps> i am not sure it is a good ideal telling you -.-
[20:32] <SirSlippers> sudo apt-get install fluid-soundfont-gm   This worked to install the soundfont package .,..
[20:33] <mrkramps> apt-get ist a frontend for your package manager installing packages from the official repositories
[20:33] <SirSlippers>   What do I do with this ??     bashkaraoke-10.0.4.tar.gz
[20:33] <SirSlippers> right .. I;ve used apt-get ... kinda got it figured ...
[20:33] <SirSlippers> isnt GZ like PKZIP file?
[20:34] <SirSlippers> so how does it go from being unpacked to being installed?
[20:34] <mrkramps> nope
[20:34] <mrkramps> https://github.com/vaisarger/bashkaraoke
[20:35] <mrkramps> just scroll down
[20:35] <mrkramps> install dependencies and run installer script in this case
[20:36] <mrkramps> looks like mostly bash scrips and some python
[20:36] <SirSlippers> ok ... forget linux for anything but email and web browser ... how do I re-install my XP PRo back in another pratition ...
[20:38] <SirSlippers> my sound isn't working consistantly ... my mic isnt working at all ... and the rigamaroll to get things workign is ENORMOUS!
[20:38] <knome> and complaining helps in fixing the issues? (:
[20:38] <mrkramps> always!
[20:39] <mrkramps> at least if you complaining in bug reports
[20:39] <flocculant> SirSlippers: simple - get an up to date XP iso, then use that to partition and install it - worked 6 or 7 years ago, I'm sure it's still up to to date now
[20:39] <mrkramps> there's no uptodate XP
[20:39] <SirSlippers> OK .. so I have to delete my Linux install ?
[20:40] <mrkramps> you could resize the partition
[20:40] <flocculant> mrkramps: really - imagine that, I though microsoft was the panacea to all ills ...
[20:40] <mrkramps> flocculant, allways though it's apple?!
[20:40] <SirSlippers> yes .. then I could dual boot and at least have my Karake Broadcast working!  I've been down for about 10 days trying to figure this stuff out!
[20:41] <flocculant> mrkramps: :P
[20:41] <SirSlippers> I thought it would be a lot easier ...
[20:42] <mrkramps> you have a broadcast running and switched OS without checking for compatibility?
[20:42] <mrkramps> uh ah :S
[20:43] <SirSlippers> My soundfonts aren't wroking wiht Win 7 and XP PRo is being shredded by the new Flash and etc ... thats why I jumped to Linux becuase it said that certain programs handled midi and Karaoke
[20:44] <mrkramps> which is true
[20:44] <mrkramps> but a migration is always about solving tons of unexpected issues
[20:44] <knome> SirSlippers, so when mrkramps told you to check the github page for instructions on getting the stuff working, you said you'd just go back to windows
[20:44] <knome> SirSlippers, how is that "trying to get it working"?
[20:45] <SirSlippers> Why is knome red type?
[20:45] <mrkramps> irc name highlighting
[20:45] <choki> knome :D
[20:45] <SirSlippers> not private message?
[20:45] <choki> GDE!
[20:45] <knome> choki, please.
[20:46] <knome> SirSlippers, private messages always appear in a different window or tab.
[20:47] <SirSlippers> oh ok ... thankx ... well ... I have that page in front of me ...
[20:48] <SirSlippers>  Midi files are played by Timidity, and lyric text to sing is colored following its  text events tracing. However, since timidity is launched as true process ( there is no low-level module ) it is possible
[20:49] <SirSlippers> so ... how does this help me?  What is Timidity?  Where do I find it?  What has it to do with Bash Karaoke?
[20:50] <mrkramps> timidity is the midi player
[20:50] <mrkramps> or rather the midi software synthesizer
[20:51] <SirSlippers> or do you mean sequencer?
[20:51] <mrkramps> nope
[20:51] <knome> !info timidity
[20:51] <knome> 'sudo apt install timidity'
[20:52] <mrkramps> huh, afaik it required an external sequencer like rosegarden … anyways
[20:53] <SirSlippers> ok .. THAT I understand!  Thankx knome!
[20:54] <SirSlippers> I understand what they DO ... for the most part ... its getting them installed that is the biggest problem ...
[20:54] <SirSlippers> how do I install a *.gz file?
[20:54] <knome> check the README
[20:54] <mrkramps> depends on the content of this archive
[20:55] <SirSlippers> how do I install a *.bz2 file?  These things are not well explained
[20:55] <knome> again, check the README
[20:55] <knome> there is so single explanation that gets you anything from an archive installed
[20:57] <SirSlippers> bcast-2000c-src.tar.gz   ok ... please show me the readme inthis file
[20:57] <knome> searching the repositories for "karaoke", there are a few more apps that are related to karaoke mentioned
[20:57] <knome> SirSlippers, i don't have the file, so i'm not able to show you anything in it
[20:57] <SirSlippers> soemone told me Linux would be a lonley frustrating excersize
[20:58] <knome> that's their opinion
[20:59] <bekks> SirSlippers: you dont install .gz/.bz2 files. You unpack them, them you unpack the .tar file and investiagte the README included.
[20:59] <bekks> Or you just install software from the official repositories, using apt
[20:59] <SirSlippers> I know .. I downloaded about 5-6 of them  ... no instructions on what do do with them though
[21:00] <SirSlippers> OK ... bekks ... thank you ..
[21:01] <SirSlippers> So I clicked on the *.gz file and it shows me a list of folders and a few files .. now what?
[21:02] <SirSlippers> there is no EXE file or anything that standas out .. do I have to go throguh EACH of the 15 fo;ders to find the REQADME ?
[21:02] <knome> there are no .exe files for linux.
[21:03] <SirSlippers> thankx ... that I've noticed ... the apt-get or sudo thingies are really helpful ...
[21:04] <SirSlippers> what am I missing here?  does NO ONE KNOW how to install *.gz files?
[21:05] <knome> SirSlippers, please.
[21:05] <knome> we've told you several times that there isn't a single way to explain that
[21:05] <knome> every file can be different
[21:05] <knome> and since we don't have the file you do, we can't know what you need to do in this specific case
[21:06] <SirSlippers> ok .. I have downloaded this  " bcast-2000c-src.tar.gz " file the internet.  It is in my download folder.  I can open it and it shows me a list of 12 file folders and another  7 files .
[21:06] <knome> "the internet" is a huge place
[21:07] <mrkramps> could you provide a link pls
[21:07] <SirSlippers> I can open each of the folders.  I want to incorporate this program into my operating system.  HOW is this accomplised?
[21:07] <knome> SirSlippers, please ask the questions the volunteer supporters are asking or they can't help.
[21:07] <SirSlippers> what?
[21:07] <knome> *answer
[21:08] <knome> where did you download the file from?
[21:08] <knome> which website?
[21:08] <knome> what is the exact url for your download?
[21:09] <SirSlippers> hold a miunute while I try and find it
[21:11] <SirSlippers> http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/all/broadcast_2000?s[]=broadcast
[21:14] <knome> SirSlippers, do you realize that software is 15 years old?
[21:14] <SirSlippers> yes .. so?  I'm 60 years old ...
[21:14] <SirSlippers> the sound card that works with soundfonts is 20 years old .. so?
[21:15] <SirSlippers> newest is not ALWAYS best!
[21:15] <SirSlippers> I've been in computers for about 35 years ...
[21:15] <knome> please.
[21:15] <knome> the reason i'm pointing this out is that the operating system you are running isn't, so it might mean you'll end up with some problems.
[21:15] <choki> please what
[21:15] <mrkramps> SirSlippers, what exactly do you want to broadcast?
[21:16] <mrkramps> i have to admit i do not understand your use case at all
[21:16] <SirSlippers> Audio Video .. like I did with Manycam and WinAMP using karaoke mp3+G files
[21:16] <SirSlippers> in XP Pro Sp3 ...
[21:17] <mrkramps> winamp sounds like shoutcast broadcasting
[21:18] <SirSlippers> I thought that Linux would be the logical thing to do since I wasn;t going to be paying Micro$oft $10 a month for the preivelege of riunniong the Win 10 SErvice
[21:19] <SirSlippers> XP PRo was left unsupported ages ago ... although it still works great!  I want to do a certyain set of tasks and thought that Linux would do it
[21:20] <choki> hello xubuntu did you fix your damn bugs yet? come on, this is considered to be an LTS release :/
[21:20] <mrkramps> i guess, you might want icecast and something like webcamstudio or truckliststudio
[21:21] <knome> choki, patches are welcome, as you seem to think the bugs are that easy to fix.
[21:22] <choki> xD
[21:22] <SirSlippers> I have been reading help files and opinions and meanderings like I have NEVER seen on any Windows help sites in the past ... as a newbie I was left frustrated, confused and outright angered at the waste of time of trying to get this thing working!
[21:22] <knome> SirSlippers, i'm sorry for your bad experience, but again, complaining isn't going to get your stuff working
[21:23] <knome> also please remember everybody here are volunteers, and are giving their time and knowledge for you for free
[21:24] <SirSlippers> OK .. can you answer me this question please
[21:25] <mrkramps> which question?
[21:26] <SirSlippers> What process do I take to extract, unpack and then install  bcast-2000c-src.tar.gz  and then run the program?
[21:26] <mrkramps> sry
[21:30] <mrkramps> ok, this was frustrating
[21:41] <xubuntu90w> Is there a basic operating manual for Xubuntu?
[21:43] <mrkramps> xubuntu30w, http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[21:43] <xubuntu30w> thank you
[21:44] <xubuntu30w> is there a basic commands listing?


[16:34] <teward> how do we triage a bug that we know is an issue but that there's no way to fix?
[16:45] <roadmr> teward: hm, wontfix?
[16:45] <roadmr> (I mean, if it's really impossible to fix, an explanation and a status of "won't fix" (implying "because it can't be fixed") seems appropriate to me


[18:41] <Ahmuck> what's "stable"
[18:41] <Ahmuck> what version?
[18:44] <Ahmuck> nm
[18:44] <kwadroke> lol
[18:45] <kwadroke> wrong channel/window?


[04:47] <studio-user711> so quiet in here :-)
[09:23] <Guest25812> Hola, el centro de software de ubuntu no me funciona..
[14:02] <studio-user632> buenos Dias !!
[14:02] <studio-user632> Existe la posibilidad de installar rivendell en UbuntuEstudio?
[18:34] <arnaud__> hi ! I have an issue with Ladi Session Manager, no MIDI is shown but it works fine in Patchage. As anybody ever saw this, and know how to fix it ?
[20:20] <Alex222> I'm having trouble recording tuxguitar with Ardour.  I have tuxguitar connected to jack through qsynth but when I play tuxguitar at 120bpm and record it into an Ardour session set at 120bpm the tuxguitar gets off beat.  Hydrogen doesn't. ???
[22:12] <risto> Just learning to use Ubuntu studio for audio production. How do you interconnect the various programs so that they play, sync and save as one. I know this can be done, I'm just new to the Lynux world.


[01:51] <mup> PR snapcraft#3680 opened: commands, parts: add clean command <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3680>
[03:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#3679 closed: Expand extensions <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3679>
[05:38] <mborzecki> morning
[06:01] <mardy> hi mborzecki!
[06:06] <mardy> mborzecki: here's the changes to make the mounts-persist-refresh-content-snap test actually check the directory contents. Still a draft, as I haven't tried it on your branch (about to do it now): https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11650
[06:06] <mup> PR #11650: tests: improve mounts-persist-refresh-content-snap <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11650>
[06:09] <mup> PR snapd#11650 opened: tests: improve mounts-persist-refresh-content-snap <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11650>
[07:06] <pstolowski> morning
[07:12] <mardy> aaaahh!!!
[07:12] <mardy> mborzecki: red alert!!!
[07:12] <mborzecki> mardy: hm?
[07:12] <mardy> mborzecki: sorry, I accidentally force-pushed my wip branch onto your PR
[07:13] <mardy> mborzecki: please force-push your branch again
[07:14] <mborzecki> mardy: hmm which branch? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11641 looks ok
[07:14] <mup> PR #11641: cmd/snap-update-ns: apply content mounts before layouts <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11641>
[07:14] <mardy> mborzecki: pfff... you are right :-) I pushed to your branch, but on my own fork :-)
[07:14] <mborzecki> haha ok
[07:14] <mardy> mborzecki: nevermind then :-D
[07:16] <mardy> mborzecki: for the record, that draft PR I created (11650) is wildly broken still -- I'm working on it
[07:16] <mardy> the other one with the new test should be OK
[07:20] <mup> PR snapd#11648 closed: packaging/ubuntu-16.04/control: recommend `fuse3 | fuse` <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11648>
[09:05] <mup> PR snapd#11651 opened: interfaces/builtin: update apparmor profile to allow creating mimic over /usr/share <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11651>
[12:07] <mardy> mborzecki: this seems ready for landing: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11555
[12:07] <mup> PR #11555: overlord/state: add a helper to detect cyclic dependencies between tasks in change <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11555>
[12:07] <mborzecki> mardy: thanks, merged now
[12:11] <mup> PR snapd#11555 closed: overlord/state: add a helper to detect cyclic dependencies between tasks in change <Needs Samuele review> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11555>
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#11652 opened: Tests update snapd testing tools <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11652>
[13:41] <mup> PR snapd#11641 closed: cmd/snap-update-ns: apply content mounts before layouts <⚠ Critical> <Squash-merge> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11641>
[13:46] <mup> PR snapd#11646 closed: tests: add spread test for mount order regression <Squash-merge> <Created by mardy> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11646>
[13:57] <mup> PR snapd#11653 opened: data/selinux: allow snap-update-ns to mount on top of /var/snap inside the mount ns <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11653>
[14:22] <mup> PR snapd#11654 opened: seed: return all essential snaps found if no types are given to LoadEssentialMeta <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11654>
[14:32] <mup> PR snapd#11655 opened: interfaces/cpu-control: fix apparmor rules of paths with CPU ID <Created by tsunghanliu> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11655>
[14:42] <mup> PR snapd#11656 opened: Adding max_map_count to system-observe interface <Created by gabrielcocenza> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11656>
[14:52] <mup> PR snapd#11657 opened: release: version 2.55.3 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11657>
[15:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#3680 closed: commands, parts: add clean command <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3680>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1968356 opened: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[16:47] <mup> Bug #1968356 changed: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[16:50] <mup> Bug #1968356 opened: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[16:53] <mup> Bug #1968356 changed: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[17:02] <mup> Bug #1968356 opened: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[17:05] <mup> Bug #1968356 changed: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[17:08] <mup> Bug #1968356 opened: UC22 does not support 16M ubuntu-save volumes with FDE <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1968356>
[18:58] <mup> PR snapd#11658 opened: tests: disable netplan-cfg test <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11658>
[19:08] <mup> PR snapd#11657 closed: release: version 2.55.3 <Squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11657>
[19:33] <mup> PR snapd#11659 opened: release: 2.55.3 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11659>
[19:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#3681 opened: providers: override instance warmup <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3681>
[19:43] <mup> PR snapd#11660 opened: tests: revert manual netplan cfg <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11660>
[20:03] <mup> PR snapd#11660 closed: tests: revert manual netplan cfg <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Closed by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11660>
[20:33] <mup> PR snapd#11658 closed: tests: disable netplan-cfg test <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11658>
[20:44] <mup> PR snapd#11659 closed: release: 2.55.3 <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11659>
[20:44] <mup> PR snapd#11661 opened: tests: fix the change done for netplan-cfg test <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11661>
[21:06] <mup> PR snapcraft#3681 closed: providers: override instance warmup <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3681>
[23:44] <mup> PR snapd#11661 closed: tests: fix the change done for netplan-cfg test <⚠ Critical> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11661>


[13:05] <xivulon> done another installation and all looks good as far as I can see, did anyone experience any issue with 439279 post beta?
[14:02] <xivulon> cjwatson, it would be nice if we could hide the grub menu in a wubi installation as discussed some time ago'
[20:37] <Nivex> diskless iSCSI install seemed to work OK.  couldn't test boot since gpxe isn't playing nice with my VM
[20:37] <Nivex> logging in to iSCSI targets from the manual partitioner with a disk present doesn't work.  I'll be filing a bug on that soon.
[21:17] <cjwatson> ok, please attach the syslog when you do
[21:22] <Nivex> done.  LP#441690
[22:13] <cjwatson> thanks
[22:25] <CIA-33> partman-iscsi: cjwatson * r28 ubuntu/ (choose_partition/iscsi/do_option debian/changelog): Source /lib/partman/lib/base.sh as well as iscsi-base.sh.
[22:35] <cjwatson> fixed one of the problems evident in your log but I'm a little stumped as to the other; it'll wait until working hours, I guess
[23:03] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3497 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[23:03] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Install a dummy initctl similar to the dummy start-stop-daemon while
[23:03] <CIA-33> ubiquity: doing anything that might install or remove packages in the target
[23:03] <CIA-33> ubiquity: system, so that attempts to control Upstart jobs won't do anything.
[23:34] <CIA-33> partman-target: cjwatson * r774 ubuntu/ (17 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 64
[23:42] <komputes> How come I cannot translate ubiquity? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubiquity


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[02:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:53] <marcoagpinto> Hello
[11:07] <marcoagpinto> TJ-!
[11:07] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:07] <TJ-> g'morning ... just
[11:08] <marcoagpinto> morning
[11:08] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:09] <TJ-> Taking a bit of time off today after a marathon session yesterday fixing a DNSSEC bug
[11:10] <TJ-> so thought I'd fix other people's problems instead :D
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:14] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello!
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> I went to pick up my renewed ID card
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> :)
[11:15] <marcoagpinto> now valid for ten years
[11:15] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:19] <lordievader> TJ-: DNSSEC bug?
[11:22] <TJ-> lordievader: had a weird issue with an NSEC3PARAM RR breaking bind9's dnssec-signzone
[11:23] <lordievader> Brrr bind9 and dnssec
[11:23] <lordievader> Sounds complicated
[11:23] <TJ-> turned out to be a 3rd party tool that automates zone management and handles re-signing
[11:24] <TJ-> but took me since last week to eventually spend almost all of yesterday to pin down the cause and then develop a fix
[11:24] <TJ-> I made the mistake of "assuming" dnssec-signzone was writing the bad RR when in act it was added by the 3rd party tool
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: confirmed & updated bug #1809224
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> tyvm for your find!, you too lordievader
[14:24] <lordievader> No worries
[14:27] <jeremyb> I wonder if this works well https://askubuntu.com/questions/1156167/unable-to-get-wifi-adapter-working-clean-19-04-install-network-unclaimed/1170858#1170858 intel backports only support intel devices, no other wifi will work
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> thats the link lordievader found for me tnx jeremyb
[18:47] <immu> hi all


[18:34] <ldnpub_> Hi, I'm translating a paper for the next ubucon in france (french to english) . The idea is to describe the philosphy of FLOSS but regarding every topic ...
[18:35] <ldnpub_> i'd like to translate the idea of free software as a type of philosophy. as in freedom not free of charge ^^ how would you say that in english ?
[18:35] <ldnpub_> Thanks


[08:46] <`jpg> Hey guys, I am running into an issue with an image build script that is trying to install linux-image-generic-lts-vivid, it works most of the time but occasionally fails with:
[08:47] <`jpg> Depends: linux-image-extra-3.19.0-30-generic but it is not going to be installed, Recommends: thermald but it is not installable
[08:48] <apw> `jpg, where is it getting its packages from ?
[08:49] <apw> `jpg, as that implies wherever it is has missmatched linux-meta-lts-vivid and linux-lts-vivid package contents
[08:50] <`jpg> Here is my sources.list: https://gist.github.com/josephglanville/62b70cde524ca89d5423
[08:51] <apw> `jpg, well other than an out of sync mirror, that ought to not happen
[08:51] <apw> `jpg, the thermald complaint is perhaps indicative of somethiing, as that should always exist at some version ?
[08:51] <apw> `jpg, do you have a fuller log of the build failing and particularly all of the output of the apt bits that fail
[08:52] <`jpg> Yeah, here is one from a few days ago: https://github.com/flynn/flynn/issues/1829
[08:54] <`jpg> Ok, maybe a month ago lol. I have one from today too: https://gist.github.com/josephglanville/6942421412c920d9c0af
[08:55] <apw> `jpg, and you do and apt-get update somewhere i assume ?
[08:56] <`jpg> Yep, it happens immediately before apt-get install
[08:56] <apw> `jpg, and no errors or anything from there, can you paste that bit too ?
[08:58] <`jpg> https://gist.github.com/josephglanville/65a1f4e3dfee65e6e71b
[08:58] <apw> `jpg, and this was "last night" ... exactly how long ago ?
[09:00] <`jpg> 2015-10-07 at 6:30 UTC
[09:00] <apw> henrix, when did -30 go out into the archive, it was 3-4 days ago right ?
[09:01] <henrix> apw: yeah, on Monday iirc
[09:02] <apw> henrix, that was the emergency one right, and that wasn't an abi bumper i assume
[09:02] <henrix> apw: correct (for both questions)
[09:03] <caribou> guys, do we have any knowledge of incompatibilities b/w LSI's mpt2sas driver versions and the firmware of the adapter ?
[09:03] <caribou> i.e. do we know if running mpt2sas version 18.00.00 on an adapter with newer f/w (20.00.00) can be an issue ?
[09:03] <apw> caribou, i don't think i have any specific knowledge no, sorry
[09:04] <caribou> apw: no worry, I can't find anything relevant on their website either
[09:04] <apw> caribou, it is worth looking to see if the driver asks the version and changes behavoir, which would imply they expect it to work
[09:05] <caribou> apw: good idea, I will look into it
[09:07] <apw> `jpg, the timing of this is confusing, a -30 kernel and therefore that missing package would have been in the archive for many days at the time that failed, so it is hard to see how the mirror could be that out of sync for that long
[09:08] <apw> `jpg, around the time you did that a new kernel did drop into -proposed but your sources say you arn't using it
[09:08] <`jpg> apw indeed, especially considering I switched to archive.ubuntu.com to combat this exact issue.
[09:09] <apw> `jpg, also as it doesn't attempt to download anything nor fail doing so that implies you have this inconsitancy in the local apt information (i think)
[09:09] <apw> `jpg, that linux-meta is updated and linux is not in that update.  and that seems wack
[09:10] <`jpg> apw agreed. this happens on an ec2 instance that was previously using an ec2 provided ubuntu mirror before the script runs to switch it to the ubuntu archive and run apt-get update.
[09:10] <`jpg> apw is there further steps that should be taken when switching the apt sources on an already installed system?
[09:11] <apw> `jpg, apt-get update (which succeeds) should leave you in a good place
[09:11] <apw> `jpg, i think i would advise trying to get more information out of the instance when this fails (i have no concrete answers)
[09:12] <`jpg> apw yeah I will try tell it not to terminate one so I can inspect if after the build fails.
[09:12] <apw> `jpg, an "apt-cache show 'linux*'" perhaps would be instructive on failure
[09:12] <`jpg> apw cheers, will do that
[09:13] <apw> `jpg, so we can tell if what you see is -29 or -31 in this case, or inded none at all
[09:13] <apw> `jpg, this is the kind of instability one expects if ysing -proposed, which you are not, so thats very odd
[09:13] <infinity> This is not a mirror issue.
[09:14] <apw> ^ which is also backed up by changing mirrors not having any effect
[09:14] <infinity> The thermald bit confirms that, even if the -30 thing wasn't already obviously a red herring.
[09:14] <apw> yeah that ought to always be there, and it is an unversioned recommends
[09:14] <`jpg> Yeah that bit confuses me greatly.
[09:15] <infinity> `jpg: Can I get a full console output of everything from update to failure, rather than snippets from different days?
[09:16] <infinity> `jpg: And immediately after the failure, "apt-cache policy thermald" might be interesting, as well as "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists"
[09:16] <infinity> `jpg: But, I can tell you from a distance that it's not a broken mirror.  It's a local breakage of some sort.
[09:16] <infinity> And a rather creative one, I wager.
[09:16] <`jpg> infinity that is my conclusion too
[09:17] <`jpg> the scary part is very little happens, this script is all that is ran against a clean ubuntu-cloud AMI: https://github.com/flynn/flynn/blob/master/util/packer/ubuntu-14.04/scripts/upgrade.sh
[09:21] <`jpg> infinity: here is a coherent log of the full process of that script running: https://gist.github.com/josephglanville/57d1d1e800fffd2eb1a2
[09:21] <apw> `jpg, how is that
[09:21] <apw> amazon-ebs: + [[ amazon-ebs ==
[09:22] <apw> occuring ... as the right hand side of that in the script is a constant string
[09:22] <infinity> `jpg: What it looks like to me is that, somehow, you're losing state for the "trusty" release pocket.
[09:22] <infinity> `jpg: So, you still have trusty-updates, but none of the packages it depends on.
[09:22] <infinity> How or why that would happen is a bit of a mystery.
[09:23] <`jpg> yeah, especially considering the first line of sources.list is: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main universe
[09:23] <infinity> Can you get a shell on one of these immediately after thefailure?
[09:24] <`jpg> Not easily I'm not able to reproduce reliably.
[09:25] <apw> and i would say that Get:14 in that log ought to be getting that info
[09:26] <infinity> You'd think, right?
[09:26] <apw> infinity, should i be supprised it is not a Hit: ?
[09:26] <infinity> Which is why I'm curious to see the state at failure.
[09:26] <`jpg> I will set it up so it keeps the EBS volumes for a while though.
[09:26] <apw> as it is a static thing ?
[09:27] <infinity> apw: Depends on how the image is built.  This is first boot, so /var/lib/apt might not be populated at all, to save space.
[09:27] <apw> infinity, there are other Hits in the list
[09:27] <apw> but not many
[09:28] <infinity> apw: Only one.  Which is, in itself, a bit weird.
[09:28] <apw> `jpg, did you say this was in an instance that was previous updated against the ec2 mirrors before this bit occurs ?
[09:28] <infinity> And, indeed, might relate.
[09:28] <infinity> Since it's the trusty Release sig that hits instead of getting.
[09:28] <infinity> Which, if bogus, would mean trusty would be unauthenticated.
[09:28] <infinity> And apt will refuse to offer packages from unauthenticated sources without forcing.
[09:28] <infinity> But also, WTF, buttercup?
[09:29] <infinity> I wonder if there's a proxy here playing nutty butters.
[09:29] <`jpg> apw it uses an ubuntu-cloud AMI, no updates happen or anything before this script runs
[09:29] <`jpg> It literally boots instance from AMI, then runs this over SSH.
[09:29] <infinity> This may well be a subtle apt bug.  But not one I've ever seen.
[09:30] <`jpg> infinity that would be just my luck heh, i have a habit of finding obscure failure modes. :(
[09:30] <apw> why are those three lines missing their right hand sides i wonder
[09:30] <apw> Get:13->15
[09:30] <`jpg> apw that is the formatter unfortunately
[09:30] <infinity> `jpg: How often does this happen?  Like, infrequent enough (1 in 1000, less?) to chalk up to a race somewhere, or is it more like 1 in 10?
[09:31] <`jpg> 1 in 10 or so.
[09:31] <infinity> Okay.  That's busted.
[09:31] <infinity> And, one would think, reproducible.
[09:31] <infinity> Unless there's also a transparent proxy muddying the waters on your behalf.
[09:31] <apw> `jpg, do you have a date for the previous one you mentioned
[09:32] <apw> i aske because this one occured right about the time that the new -proposed was copying out
[09:32] <apw> which may be utter coincidence
[09:32] <`jpg> Hmm, I could probably get all dates of all failures since 2014 with a bit of grep magic.
[09:32] <apw> might be worth checking them against the publish dates for kernels, as 1/10 i assume means one about every 10 days or so
[09:32] <infinity> apw: It's pure coincidence.  The problem isn't proposed/updates at all, it's the release pocket.  At least, for that failure.
[09:33] <apw> infinity, fair
[09:33] <apw> but getting dates would give us a better frequency rate too
[09:34] <infinity> apw: Pulled my proxy config out, and trying in a loop to reproduce.
[09:34] <`jpg> https://gist.github.com/josephglanville/61c0bf8a9b17beeac54c
[09:34] <infinity> apw: I'm kinda wanting to blame ec2 somehow.
[09:35] <`jpg> infinity it wouldn't surprise me, this only occurs in ec2.
[09:35] <infinity> `jpg: And this runs how often?  Daily?
[09:35] <`jpg> 2x a day, every 12 hours.
[09:35] <infinity> Okay, yeah, that failure rate is insanely high, then.
[09:35] <infinity> So, not a mirror pulse race, unless you're amazingly unlucky at cron.
[09:36] <infinity> jpds: Do you have a throwaway instance in the exact same environment that you can experiment on?
[09:36] <`jpg> infinity i can make one
[09:37] <`jpg> It's just ami-c135f3aa in us-east-1
[09:37] <infinity> # for i in `seq 1 1000`; do rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release* ; apt-get update 2>&1 | grep Release; done
[09:37] <`jpg> kk
[09:37] <infinity> `jpg: ^-- The above might be interesting.
[09:38] <caribou> I see Ubuntu-lts-4.2 tags in trusty's kernel tree; do we plan to release 4.2 kernels in Trusty ?
[09:38] <infinity> caribou: Yes.
[09:38] <infinity> caribou: lts-* kernels are backported all the way to the next LTS.
[09:38] <infinity> caribou: See, eg, linux-lts-trusty in precise.
[09:38] <apw> caribou, ^ that
[09:39] <caribou> infinity: good, that's what I thought; I just couldn't locate the package. I guess it's not out yet
[09:39] <infinity> caribou: It's not, cause wily's not out yet.
[09:39] <apw> caribou, no they are not normally published in trusty itself until wily releases
[09:39] <apw> caribou, they are being built in our PPA i believe
[09:40] <caribou> apw: well, that sort of answer my previons mpt2sas modules question : 4.2 has 20.00.00 module in it
[09:40]  * infinity retries his loop with, like, a logfile.
[09:40] <caribou> infinity: apw: thanks for the details
[09:41] <infinity> caribou: I'm not sure that answers anything regarding that question. :P
[09:41] <infinity> caribou: Since we don't force people to install the shiny new kernel.
[09:42] <caribou> infinity: true, but in this case, they want to know if an HBA running f/w 20.00.00 would work with the 18.00.00 driver which is in the 3.19-lts kernel
[09:42] <infinity> caribou: Right, which I'm saying it still a relevant question.  Cause we're not dropping the 3.19 kernel.
[09:42] <infinity> Nor forcing people to install 4.2
[09:43] <infinity> (Not to mention 3.13 and 3.16...)
[09:43] <caribou> infinity: the question being : Can Ubuntu certify that a HBA running f/w 20.00.00 will work fine with the 18.00.00 driver from the 3.19 kernel
[09:43] <infinity> caribou: I should hope so.
[09:44] <infinity> caribou: Unless LSI are complete morons.
[09:44] <caribou> infinity: I'm not able to identify any source of information saying Yay or Nay on this
[09:50] <apw> caribou, is someone asking if it will, or asking for paperwork to say it will, or has one whic doesn't
[09:51] <infinity> apw: Sounds like a customer is asking for certification reassurance.
[09:51] <caribou> apw: 20.00.00 f/w fixes a problem for them so they want to be sure that it will not create other issues
[09:51] <apw> i am not sure it is ever possible to assert a negative like that
[09:51] <caribou> now that I know that the 20.00.00 driver will soon be available, that should be enough
[09:52] <apw> caribou, it may be worth  asking cert if they have certed that combinatoin
[09:52] <caribou> apw: good idea, will do
[09:55] <brendand> caribou, apw - i'm not in certification anymore but i don't think we've ever certified individual components, only whole systems (officially)
[09:56] <caribou> well, I think I found the answer in the RL of the 20.00.00 f/w
[09:56] <apw> brendand, yeah i was thinking a system with that combination indeed
[09:56] <caribou> they state that the 20.00.00 f/w is supported on Ubuntu14.04LTS
[09:56] <caribou> (3.13.0-24-generic)
[09:57] <apw> caribou, ok good
[09:57] <caribou> and this one doesn't have the corresponding 20.00.00 module
[09:57] <caribou> case closed!
[09:58] <brendand> caribou, apw - http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/search/?query=HBA btw
[09:58] <caribou> brendand: thanks!
[10:08] <apw> stgraber, tyhicks, we seem to have a lot of lxc test suite failures all of a sudden; handing at the end of the symlink tst
[10:09] <apw> (after that test is reported, so while presumably running lxc-test-ubuntu)
[10:09] <stgraber> apw: the LXC image server was down for 5 minutes earlier, you may have been unlucky and run right at that time :)
[10:10] <stgraber> apw: basically during the same time I was disconnected from IRC (rebooting my main server for kernel update)
[10:10] <apw> stgraber, would the ubuntu test be the only one affected ?
[10:10] <apw> (or the first one affected ?)
[10:11] <stgraber> well, depends on timing I guess, it only lasted 5min and the testsuite definitely takes more than 5min to run :)
[10:11] <apw> we have multiple failures, over i think a longer period than that which have the saem stopping point
[10:11] <stgraber> apw: do you have the failure log somewhere?
[10:11] <apw><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:12] <stgraber> the ubuntu test actually doesn't hit our image server, it does however do a full debootstrap and grab a cloud image, so if the archive is messed up somehow, that'd break it
[10:12] <apw> stgraber, that is just one instance, we have a ocuple of others too, and two in hang right now which will explode at the 5 hour mark
[10:13] <stgraber> I don't suppose someone can grub us a ps output from one of those stuck instances? since the test isn't actually failing, we're not getting the full console output that'd be needed to figure this out
[10:15] <stgraber> if I had to guess, I'd guess it's either debootstrap getting stuck on asking a question or something (which would be a critical bug in the archive) or the test runner's having a hard time reaching the cloud image server
[10:15] <apw> stgraber, lets go ask pitti
[10:16] <stgraber> apw: I'll do a manual run of the debootstrap side of things at home see if that's the issue
[10:19] <henrix> stgraber: apw: fyi, i'm also trying to reproduce it here in a VM by running the lxt-test-ubuntu (which is the one that seems to be failing)
[10:19] <apw> stgraber, thanks
[10:19] <apw> henrix, nice
[10:21] <henrix> hmm... i'm actually getting a failure too... it starts failing downloading a bunch of packages
[10:22]  * henrix wonders if it could be a disk space prob, as there's only 2G left in that VM
[10:22] <stgraber> a debootstrap worked fine here
[10:23] <stgraber> actually running the whole lxc-test-ubuntu now
[10:29] <stgraber> lxc-test-ubuntu succeeded here
[10:31] <henrix> ok, i'm reruning (with the vivid kernel in -updates, which should pass)
[10:31] <henrix> (i was actually running with an older kernel before)
[10:33] <stgraber> ah yeah, I'm running on wily but not with the proposed kernel
[10:34] <stgraber> I can't see why the other tests would pass if it actually was a kernel bug
[10:36] <henrix> grrr! i just accidentaly killed the VM i was running the test on!
[10:38] <henrix> but it seemed to be running ok now, i didn't saw any errors downloading packages
[10:40] <infinity> `jpg: So, in an entertaining twist, we just rolled out an archive change that might accidentally fix your issue.
[10:41] <`jpg> infinity oh?
[10:43] <infinity> `jpg: We just deployed InRelease (inline-signed Release files) support, which apt will favour in >= trusty.
[10:43] <infinity> `jpg: So, if the problem was Release/Release.gpg disagreeing occasionally, that will go poof.
[10:43] <`jpg> infinity hah, neat
[10:44] <infinity> `jpg: Do you have the log from your loop?
[10:44] <infinity> `jpg: Curious if it ever hit the issue.
[10:56] <`jpg> infinity loop seems to have been stuck at Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty-updates InRelease [64.4 kB]. I started it maybe 20 mins ago.
[10:57] <`jpg> Oh, it's moving. Just really slowly.
[11:00] <henrix> stgraber: apw: ok, i confirm i was *not* able to reproduce with the vivid kernel currently on -updates.  i'm not sure what happen before, with the error i had download packages
[11:00] <apw> henrix, ok so i guess we care if you can with the one in -proposed ...
[11:01] <henrix> apw: yeah, i'm now upgrading into -proposed and re-running just to confirm
[11:04] <infinity> `jpg: Uhm, yeah, seeing that here too.
[11:06] <smb> fwiw maybe bug 1503655
[11:06] <ubot5`> bug 1503655 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel bug in eventpoll_release_file+0x46/0xa0 with 3.13.0-66.107" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503655
[12:47] <infinity> `jpg: So, good news and bad news.  Good news, we fixed the mirrors.  Bad news, we fixed them by reverting the change that I said would mask your problem. :P
[12:47] <`jpg> infinity haha
[12:47] <`jpg> Such is life. :P
[12:48] <`jpg> Do you think wiping out /var/lib/apt/lists/* before doing apt-get update is likely to work around the problem?
[12:48] <rtg> smb, I've a similar stack dump on my Trusty laptop, re: bug #1503655. I went back to 3.13.0-65
[12:48] <ubot5`> bug 1503655 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel bug in eventpoll_release_file+0x46/0xa0 with 3.13.0-66.107" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503655
[12:48] <infinity> `jpg: Depends on what the problem really is, but it might make it more obvious and debuggable? :)
[12:49] <`jpg> Ok, I think I might drop that in there for now then and add some debug code for failures and hopefully something shows up. :)
[12:50] <infinity> `jpg: It could prove to be a heisenbug that goes away due to your attempts to debug it.
[12:50] <infinity> `jpg: I suppose there could be worse results.
[12:51] <`jpg> infinity indeed. Right now I just need the builds to work reliably lol.
[12:52] <smb> rtg, yeah. seems henrix also had a similar one for vivid-proposed as well. we are digging into it (well henrix doing bisect)
[12:53] <rtg> smb, I wonder if it was CVE-2015-2925 causing regressions
[12:54] <apw> rtg, your  wily kenrel is blowing the same way
[12:54] <apw> [   22.977677] CPU: 3 PID: 2606 Comm: pulseaudio Tainted: P        W  OE   4.2.0-15-generic #17-Ubuntu
[12:54] <apw> [   22.978082]  [<ffffffff81243e9c>] ep_unregister_pollwait.isra.7+0x6c/0x90
[12:54] <rtg> apw, then it almost certainly CVE-2015-2925. everything else is unrelated
[12:54] <apw> so i assume whatever it is in 4.2.x stable too
[12:55] <smb> rtg, hm, cannot find that number in git log...
[12:55] <rtg> apw, oh, forgot about 4.2.3
[12:56] <smb> rtg, I am trying with reverting the aufs3 change
[12:57] <rtg> smb, I assume that code isn't even run until you mount an overlay file system
[12:57] <apw> rtg, no these are in madvise
[12:57] <smb> rtg, right, somehow the title misled me first as well
[12:57] <rtg> ah. maybe I'll just keep my mouth closed :)
[12:58] <apw> smb, that does look rather suspicious, i may have utterly spaced the backport there
[13:00] <apw> smb, yep they are UTTERLY wrong
[13:00] <apw> henrix, those aufs3 fixes i did are just wrong
[13:01] <smb> apw, hm, I am looking at the patch in the debian tracker... and cannot see that wrongness directly
[13:01] <apw> and they are so utterly and obviously wrong i don't know how i didin't notice
[13:01] <apw> smb, when the function changes it should change to (file) or (f)
[13:01] <henrix> apw: yeah, i was just comparing them with debian and... they are different
[13:01] <smb> apw, oh!
[13:01] <apw> and wrong, so very wrong
[13:02] <apw> henrix, what do you want me to do, submit fixed ones ?
[13:02] <infinity> Respin city today, then?
[13:02] <smb> apw, not that I saw that when reviewing
[13:02] <apw> whne isn't it
[13:02] <apw> smb, i know, i didn't when reviewing either
[13:02] <infinity> apw: I didn't catch up on backscroll, is this only in -proposed (and wily) kernels?
[13:02] <apw> only in proposed yes
[13:02] <henrix> apw: whatever is easier for you: either a fix, or a revert+correct fix
[13:02] <infinity> Kay, shiny.  Yay for actually catching bugs in proposed.
[13:02] <smb> infinity, proposed and all
[13:03] <apw> infinity, yep adt blowing chunks, then smb blowing chunks, when my laptop :)
[13:03] <infinity> It's nice when our process actually has the desired effect. :P
[13:03] <apw> henrix, i say lets revert and apply a new set
[13:04] <henrix> apw: ack.  want me to drive it?  i can pick the new patch and submit it if you're busy
[13:04] <henrix> apw: also, i guess i can abort the bisect, or would you like me to continue?
[13:04] <henrix> (just to confirm... although that's probably it)
[13:04] <apw> henrix, up to you, but that is soooo broken that who knows what it would do
[13:05] <apw> henrix, is it easier if i clean up my mess ?
[13:05] <henrix> apw: ok, so i'll abort and will test the fix before respinning
[13:05] <apw> henrix, sounds good
[13:06] <rtg> apw, push a fix on wily as well
[13:06] <apw> rtg, will go there first indeed
[13:07] <rtg> apw, once done, I'l rejigger and upload just that patch which will clobber the kernel in proposed.
[13:07] <rtg> infinity, ^^
[13:10] <infinity> rtg: No ABI bump, or do I need to go NBS-hunting in proposed?
[13:10] <infinity> s/do I/will I/
[13:11] <rtg> infinity, prolly no ABI bump, but I'll have to mess with things since I haven't downloaded ABIs in awhile.
[13:12] <rtg> judicious application  of ignore files
[13:12] <infinity> rtg: Well, fetchabis should Just Work, no?  The current kernel's in the archive on all arches.
[13:12] <infinity> rtg: I see no reason to ignore, just use the machinery correctly. :P
[13:12] <rtg> in this case I could
[13:13] <infinity> rtg: The alternative, and always my favourite, is no new changelog entry.
[13:14] <rtg> what a heinous thought
[13:15] <apw> we tend to not think of uploads in -proposed that don't make -updates, ad matering
[15:15] <jdstrand> rtg: hey, quick questions: kernel module signing is only performed when -signed packages are installed, correct? also, if the bootloader fails to verify the kernel and falls back to uefi quriks disabled, does module verification still happen?
[15:17] <rtg> jdstrand, as far as I know modules are still loaded, even if the signature fails (regardless of boot loader). I could be wrong, though. perhaps apw knows better ?
[15:18] <rtg> I don't think we have strict enforcement enabled, but I'm gonna have to check.
[15:18] <jdstrand> ok
[15:20] <jdstrand> enforcing secure boot by default is being worked on by foundations (there will be a secure way to disable that), so we'll want to be able to enforce it for modules too at some point
[15:20] <jdstrand> (and that point may be soonish-- we can discuss in the meeting later if needed)
[15:20] <rtg> jdstrand, ack
[15:23] <rtg> jdstrand, CONFIG_MODULE_SIG_FORCE=n - Reject unsigned modules or signed modules for which we don't have a key.  Without this, such modules will simply taint the kernel.
[15:23] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[15:24] <rtg> jdstrand, the kernel does bitch about it though
[15:24]  * jdstrand nods
[15:24]  * jdstrand is documenting the current situation
[15:32] <kruger> the kernel provided in the dvd (vmliz.efi) is compiled with some specific parameters?
[15:32] <kruger> *vmlinuz.efi
[15:36] <GunnarHj> Have you guys noticed bug #1503647? Seems to be an urgent issue.
[15:36] <ubot5`> bug 1503647 in linux (Ubuntu) "System hangs with kernel 3.19.0-31" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503647
[15:40] <henrix> GunnarHj: this could be a duplicate of bug #1503655
[15:40] <ubot5`> bug 1503655 in linux (Ubuntu Wily) "Kernel bug in eventpoll_release_file+0x46/0xa0 with 3.13.0-66.107" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503655
[15:41] <henrix> GunnarHj: it's being fixed at the moment
[15:41] <henrix> GunnarHj: i'll comment in the bug with a link to a test kernel
[15:42] <GunnarHj> henrix: Really? It's not the same kernel version.
[15:42] <henrix> GunnarHj: yeah, but we found this issue in several kernels (3.13, 3.16, 3.19 and even 4.2)
[15:43] <henrix> GunnarHj: the fix is already uploaded, should be in -proposed soon
[15:43] <henrix> (assuming it's actually the same issue)
[15:43] <GunnarHj> henrix: Ok, I'm certainly not an expert on these things. ;) Thanks!
[15:51] <kruger> someone can help me, please? (see above)
[16:34] <kruger> i've recompiled the vmlinuz.efi, but i'm inable to boot the dvd in the uefi mode, i'm kicked in busybox shell (initramfs). In bios mode boot fine. Any hints?


[00:05] <Azelphur> Hi, thinking about buying a midi keyboard to play with. Anyone got any suggestions on what software I should use, are there any keyboards people would recommend?
[00:20] <ScottL> Azelphur, check out #opensourcemusicians...lots of keyboard players there that can offer advice
[00:21] <Azelphur> ty :D
[04:22] <Owner> Are there any guides to install ubuntu studio useing usb flash drive becuse it giving me a fail cd-rom error
[04:29] <ScottL> owner, can you install plain, vanilla ubuntu with cd-rom via CD versus installing ubuntu studio via DVD?
[04:29] <ScottL> Owner, ^^^
[04:30] <Owner> vanilla ?
[04:30] <ScottL> or quite frankly, even if you can install regular, vanilla ubuntu via USB then you can always upgrade to ubuntu studio
[04:30] <ScottL> ubuntu studio is based on ubuntu, also known as ubuntu desktop, vanilla ubuntu, plain ubuntu ,etc, etc
[04:31] <ScottL> ubuntu studio shares the same code base as ubuntu, but ubuntu studio has added packages and configuration that makes it what it is
[04:31] <Owner> ok
[04:32] <ScottL> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[04:32] <ScottL> if you can install ubuntu then you can 'upgrade' to ubuntu studio using the link above, Owner
[05:37] <zus> wondering if there is an "After Effects" like program for linux? or something to make movies in with composite shots and so on.
[05:40] <holstein> hey zus :)
[05:40] <holstein> im finding http://www.cinefx.org/
[05:40] <holstein> looks like a newer version of jahshaka
[05:41] <zus> holstein,  hey there )
[05:41] <holstein> im reading at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666677
[05:41] <zus> never heard of jashaka
[05:41] <holstein> and other places
[05:41] <holstein> i got no hands on experience though
[05:41] <zus> this should get me going,..i kinda dont know what im actually looking for but the video metioned after effects...
[05:41] <holstein> zus: ask [lsd]
[05:42] <holstein> that guy knows a lot
[05:42]  * zus looks twoard the other channel and raises an eye
[05:42] <zus> everytime i go in there  i get a youtube link and end up laughing till i cry
[05:43] <holstein> lol
[05:44]  * holstein is on the way out
[05:44]  * holstein is tired
[05:44]  * holstein must sleep
[05:44] <holstein> laterx
[05:44] <zus> yeah b4 you go then?
[05:44] <zus> click this link and save the vidoe for tomorrow? http://www.youtube.com/user/jokesayers#p/search/0/yRCPFjpsGI4
[05:44] <holstein> sure
[05:45] <holstein> zus: thats your site right?
[05:45] <holstein> or your friends?
[05:45] <zus> let me know what ya thought. rest easy man... my brothers
[05:45] <holstein> cool
[05:45] <holstein> i'll subscribe :)
[05:45] <zus> some times i film and help with editing, hence the hunt for  sooftware )
[05:45] <zus> t/y
[05:48] <holstein> hehe
[05:48] <holstein> i'll poke around there more tomorrow
[05:48] <holstein> thanks :)
[05:48] <holstein> GN
[05:56] <zus> holstein,  night
[13:06] <lor> hi
[13:07] <lor> anyone reading?
[13:41] <jussi> no
[13:41] <jussi> :P
[13:41] <lor> jussi,
[13:41] <lor> do you know if ubuntu studio supports low latency USB audio cards?
[13:41] <jussi> yes
[13:41] <jussi> depending on which one
[13:42] <lor> it's a ESI UGM96
[13:42] <jussi> lor: is it supported by ubuntu?
[13:43] <jussi> it appears to be supported
[13:43] <lor> ok, let me install and check if everything works
[13:43] <lor> thanks for now
[14:24] <lor> jussi: it's working great for now :)
[14:25] <jussi> lor: fantastic!
[14:25] <lor> I was bored of working with cracked tools and poor reliability :P
[15:59] <stormblast> good afternoon friends
[16:18] <lor> 2.67 ms latency here
[16:19] <lor> less than Windows :O
[16:57] <Jancsy> hello, anyone around here to help me a bit please?
[16:58] <Faissal> hi
[16:58] <Jancsy> I need a timeline based mixing software for ubuntu, something like mixmeister or Ableton on windows.
[16:59] <Faissal> .... did you try ardour ?
[16:59] <Jancsy> that's what they recommended on #ubuntu :)
[16:59] <Jancsy> not yet.
[16:59] <Jancsy> anything similar to that?
[16:59] <Jancsy> hold on, let me show you what I need :)
[16:59] <Jancsy> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:9191/Untitled.jpg
[17:00] <Jancsy> something like this, just for ubuntu
[17:00] <coz_> Jancsy,   ardour would do that but let me google a few replacements for mixmeister
[17:00] <Faissal> wont audacity help in your case ?
[17:00] <Jancsy> sure :)
[17:00] <Jancsy> no way. :/
[17:00] <Jancsy> audacity is weak for beatmixing
[17:01] <coz_> Jancsy,  so you want more of a DJ mixing software??
[17:02] <Jancsy> yep.
[17:02] <Jancsy> i've tried Mixxx for realtime mixing, still.. that's weak too :/
[17:03] <Jancsy> i wonder if this mixmeister would work with wine. :-?
[17:03] <coz_> Jancsy,   http://www.ultramixer.com/    I think there is a free version of this
[17:04] <coz_> Jancsy,     http://www.linuxinet.com/free-linux-software/ultramix-dj-software-powerful-cross-platform-option.html
[17:04] <Jancsy> thanks!
[17:05] <Jancsy> ugh
[17:05] <Jancsy> but
[17:05] <Jancsy> this one is for windows & mac only
[17:05] <Jancsy> :/
[17:05] <coz_> which??
[17:05] <Jancsy> the first one
[17:05] <coz_> Jancsy,    http://www.ultramixer.com/download.html
[17:06] <Jancsy> ah, great.
[17:06] <holstein> also http://www.renoise.com/
[17:07] <Jancsy> renoise is a bit weird for me.
[17:07] <Jancsy> i'll try that ultramixer with my dj console.
[17:07] <Jancsy> thanks a lot guys! :)
[17:07] <Jancsy> much appreciated.
[17:07] <coz_> Jancsy,  no problem ...have fun experimenting :)
[17:08] <Jancsy> thanks \o/
[17:08] <Jancsy> i love this network, those guys on undernet does nothing
[17:08] <Jancsy> bleh
[17:08] <Jancsy> :P
[17:08] <Jancsy> thanks again, cheers! :)
[17:08]  * Jancsy waves. `\o
[17:08] <coz_> okie dokie


[09:17] <tjaalton> anyone know where the piglit packaging is, and if it's actually in the archive?
[09:23] <ricotz> tjaalton, xorg-edgers branch
[09:23] <tjaalton> I'm not after a ppa :)
[09:23] <tjaalton> I thought it was uploaded to quantal, but can't find it even from raring
[09:24] <ricotz> tjaalton, i said branch not ppa ;)
[09:24] <tjaalton> branch where?
[09:24] <tjaalton> don't tell me bzr..
[09:25] <ricotz> it isnt in the archive afaics, https://code.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/piglit/debian-packaging
[09:25] <ricotz> but first waffle needs to get into the archive though
[09:25] <tjaalton> yeah found the same
[09:25] <tjaalton> oh well
[09:26] <ricotz> tjaalton, https://code.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/piglit/+sourcepub/2814972/+listing-archive-extra
[09:26] <tjaalton> danvet was asking
[09:26] <tjaalton> bad sarvatt, why u no git :)
[09:27] <ricotz> whole launchpad is bzr, not his fault ;)
[10:36] <tjaalton> well no-one stopping from adding it to git.d.o
[11:19] <mlankhorst> hm
[11:20] <mlankhorst> seems airlied's reverse optimus patches work
[11:51] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: how did you test?
[11:52] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: well the hdmi port on my eee is not visible from i915
[11:53] <mlankhorst> so I just plugged something in for that
[11:53] <tjaalton> cool
[11:53] <tjaalton> the eee is hybrid?
[11:53] <mlankhorst> yes
[11:54] <mlankhorst> it was my original test machine for this kind of thing :-)