[00:05] <Szadek> i have sound ... but i dont know waht happened
[00:06] <Szadek> i reboot using the other kernel , nothing happened , rebooted again using the latest , and sound works again well this is strange
[00:07] <BUGabundo> Szadek: es tuga?
[00:07] <Szadek> bugabundo : sim
[00:07] <BUGabundo> didn't see you on #ubuntu-pt
[00:09] <Szadek> well , i prefer here , so i can train my english writting =)
[00:09] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:09] <BUGabundo> please join us there _too_
[00:09] <Szadek> but you're right ill join there too
[00:09] <Szadek> there i am =)
[00:11] <zbrahead91> Hello?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: hi
[00:13] <zbrahead91> Anyone else got any sound issues?
[00:13] <BUGabundo> some do sure
[00:13] <BUGabundo> what's up with you zbrahead91?
[00:13] <zbrahead91> How to fix them please :(
[00:13] <cjae> Hi,, when using the plasma dashboard in kubuntu 9.04 can I have the widgets I install opnly show when I use "show the plasma dashboard"?
[00:14] <cjae> only*
[00:14] <zbrahead91> I have startrek and cannot watch. The ulyimate travesty
[00:14] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: you have to talk to dtchen. but he is way now
[00:14] <zbrahead91> well, hear :p
[00:14] <zbrahead91> >.<
[00:14] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: file a bug and he will get in touch with you , or you can ping him back in here when he comes back
[00:15] <zbrahead91> Hmm
[00:15] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: for bug use: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[00:15] <BUGabundo> but try opening alsamixer on terminal and see if everything is unmuted
[00:15] <zbrahead91> How do I switch (temporarily) to OSS?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> $ pasuspend APPTORUN
[00:16] <BUGabundo> that will give you alsa
[00:16] <Volkodav_> no updates last 2 days - is it all done for release ?
[00:16] <zbrahead91> alsa fails to according to Sounds
[00:16] <zbrahead91> I updated today
[00:16] <zbrahead91> last nights updates, methinks
[00:16] <zbrahead91> which broke my audio >:(
[00:17] <zhurai> question: what exactly is the difference between ext3 and ext4?
[00:17] <kklimonda> Volkodav_: more or less
[00:18] <zhurai> ...>_>
[00:18] <BUGabundo> zhurai: google for it. too many to enumerate here
[00:18] <kklimonda> Volkodav_: there may be some last minute exceptions in universe but nothing big.
[00:18] <kklimonda> zhurai: check wikipedia
[00:18] <zhurai> I am >_>
[00:18] <kklimonda> there is nice article about ext4 afair
[00:18] <zbrahead91> !ext4
[00:18] <Volkodav_> netbook remix seems to have some issues
[00:18] <thots> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page , some info on ext4
[00:18] <zbrahead91> !ext3
[00:19] <zbrahead91> Ooo-err Ubottu needs updating :p
[00:19] <BUGabundo> zbrahead91: feel free to susgest a factoid
[00:19] <zbrahead91> SOUND LIVES \ o /
[00:20] <zbrahead91> Unmuting headphones did the trick, odly
[00:20] <BUGabundo> nice!
[00:20] <zbrahead91> #I also PPA'ed 0.9.15
[00:20] <zbrahead91> Star trek, come to pappy :D
[00:20] <zbrahead91> bye and thanks BUGabundo + rep to you
[00:27] <mrwes> Is there going to be a final kernel update on the 23rd?
[00:29] <Hammer89> Just updated to 9.04... impressed so far. Working flawlessly.
[00:30] <coz_> guys just noticed that ryhthmnbox opens to systray  not windowed  and I see not setting to change that?
[00:31] <drinkycrow> i don't think you can
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow, what rythmbox?
[00:32] <drinkycrow> yeah
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  sure  it always opened windowed until jaunty
[00:32] <drinkycrow> i'm running intrepid and it doesn't open windowed
[00:32] <drinkycrow> it didn't in hardy either
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  yeah it did in both for me
[00:32] <drinkycrow> idk what to tell you
[00:32] <drinkycrow> i did a fresh install of intrepid 3 days ago and that's not how it happens
[00:32] <coz_> drinkycrow,  no biggied just something I noticed
[00:33] <mrwes> I'm opened to the screen
[00:33] <mrwes> er mine
[00:33] <fizk> In jaunty, why does shutdown just logout the user?
[00:33] <coz_> mrwes,  you opened to the window?
[00:34] <mrwes> yah
[00:34] <mrwes> Lemme try it again...hold
[00:34] <coz_> mrwes, thats been typical here as well until  jaunty
[00:34] <fizk> sorry
[00:34] <mrwes> coz_, yep -- opened straight to the Window
[00:34] <coz_> fizk,   are you hitting the shutdown icon on the panel?
[00:34] <fizk> does anyone know why shutdown leads to logout?
[00:35] <fizk> yup
[00:35] <coz_> mrwes,  yeah its suppose to open windowed
[00:35] <mrwes> version 0.12.0
[00:35] <coz_> fizk,  mm  I generally just go to System/shutdown
[00:35] <coz_> mrwes, let me check here
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: System -> Shutdown ?
[00:36] <coz_> mrwes,  mmm same version here   maybe I will uninstall and reinstal
[00:36] <coz_> fizk,  are you running gnome or kde?
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: i don't see that
[00:36] <fizk> coz_: gnome
[00:36] <BUGabundo> coz_: fizk that's no longer there!
[00:36] <mrwes> anyone else running gnome-do?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> FUSA now removes that
[00:36]  * BUGabundo screams to mrwes MEEEEEEEEE
[00:36] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh!  I am upgrading the beta here it is still there
[00:36] <mrwes> heh...Bu
[00:37] <BUGabundo> coz_: shouldn't
[00:37] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I just installed it -- seems pretty kewl
[00:37] <mrwes> never used it before
[00:37] <coz_> BUGabundo,  I have  a dbus command actually I use to shutdown the system or call up the UI
[00:37] <fizk> shutdown leads to logout...a bug, no?
[00:38] <fizk> i shouldn't be the only one
[00:38] <coz_> fizk,  open a terminal and paste this command see if it is what you want to see
[00:38] <coz_> fizk,     dbus-send --dest=org.gnome.SessionManager /org/gnome/SessionManager org.gnome.SessionManager.Shutdown
[00:38] <BUGabundo> mrwes: when you find the ALL Plugins you will like it even more
[00:38] <BUGabundo> fizk: AFAIK you are the only one
[00:39] <coz_> mrwes, just installed what?
[00:39] <fizk> BUGabundo: dang
[00:39] <mrwes> BUGabundo, yah I'm actually looking at that now
[00:39] <mrwes> coz_, gnome-do
[00:39] <coz_> BUGabundo,  which app are you talking about?
[00:40] <coz_> oh   ok  I didnt like that one :)
[00:40] <BUGabundo> am I lagged? I saw the reply before the question
[00:40] <BUGabundo> coz_: there's no way you don't like it! only if you don't use it or you are a MOUSE crazy person
[00:40] <mrwes> wow...even one for SSH
[00:40] <coz_> BUGabundo,  no I have a wacom tablet that I use with Easystroke
[00:40] <BUGabundo> I hate mice, so having a keyboard do all with 3 chars is GREAT
[00:40] <coz_> much nicer
[00:41] <cecko> hi all, where should i look to get help getting my microphone to work?
[00:41] <mrwes> yah I like doing things from the keyboard too
[00:41] <kklimonda> hmm.. i just got a weird bug. when i change screen brightness both old and new notification is displayed
[00:41] <BUGabundo> cecko: what's up ?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> this is crazy. 8 ppl asking audio question in 4 h? what happened last night?
[00:42] <kklimonda> probably because g-p-m for root is launched..
[00:42] <cecko> BUGabundo I'm on dell precision m4400 running kubuntu jaunty and the mic is not working
[00:43] <BUGabundo> cecko: open alsamixer on a terminal and check to see if all levers are unmuted
[00:44] <coz_> ah uninstalled and reinstalled rhythmbox  it now opens windowed :)
[00:44] <cecko> BUGabundo ok, (i have tried kmix already) fyi this is not since last night only .)
[00:44] <mrwes> no updates today aye?
[00:45] <kklimonda> mrwes: there were few packages updated but nothing big.
[00:45] <BluesKaj> non yet , prolly saving them up for thurs
[00:45] <mrwes> ahh
[00:45] <coz_> cecko,  which mike is this ..make and model I mean?
[00:45] <mrwes> BUGabundo, can I execute a bash aliases from gnome-do?
[00:46] <cecko> coz_ could you suggest where to find that info?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> mrwes: never tested
[00:47] <coz_> cecko,  well actually the best place to go for audio issues  on any system is  #alsa  channel
[00:47] <coz_> cecko,  they would most likely be  more capable of getting to the root of the issue more quickly
[00:48] <mrwes> BUGabundo, you can open a terminal, just don't know how to pass the aliases to it from gnome-do
[00:48] <BUGabundo> mrwes: time to write a plugin?
[00:48] <cecko> coz_ to my root as well? ok, I'm going there .)
[00:48] <coz_> cecko,  what do you mean?
[00:48] <mrwes> BUGabundo, I don't know how to do that :(
[00:48] <coz_> cecko,   just go to the alsa channel
[00:49] <coz_> cecko,   #alsa   or   /join #alsa
[00:49] <cecko> coz_ thank you
[00:49] <mrwes> BUGabundo, do you use the superkey and spacebar ?
[00:49]  * magcius wonders if osd-notify has improved since he last played with it.
[00:50] <coz_> cecko,  not trying to push you away here guy:)  its just that the alsa chennel had much more experienced people. hopefully, to deal with sound specific issues including hardware compatability
[00:51] <BUGabundo> mrwes: yes of course
[00:51] <mrwes> BUGabundo, oh...I was wondering if the bind keys can be changed
[00:51] <magcius> Can some people answer some silly questions about notify-osd?
[00:51] <magcius> I want to see if it is worth wasting my time again.
[00:51] <BUGabundo> mrwes: it can
[00:52] <BUGabundo> magcius: what's up ?
[00:52]  * BUGabundo starts to be very very tired! 1am here
[00:52] <magcius> BUGabundo, does it still cut off messages and shrink images to a really silly size?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> img size here looks good
[00:52] <mrooney> silly is a very relative term
[00:52] <BUGabundo> even to big some times
[00:52] <magcius> BUGabundo, it was around 50x50 for me.
[00:52] <coz_> magcius,   what is it you want to know ?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and messages are still trunked when too big, but they are BIG enough
[00:53] <magcius> BUGabundo, are multiline messages supported?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> I see at least 8 lines of test
[00:53] <BUGabundo> let me test it with a really long text
[00:54] <magcius> Okay.
[00:54] <magcius> So this is good for starters.
[00:54] <BUGabundo> $ notify-send fooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[00:54] <BUGabundo> just shows 3 lines there
[00:54] <BUGabundo> but that's because its all HEAD
[00:54] <BUGabundo> body is much longer
[00:54] <BUGabundo> I just don't know how to do it
[00:55] <Tekno> humm
[00:55] <Tekno> is it possible to chat between users with notify-send :D
[00:55] <Tekno> ?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> ahh "space"
[00:55] <BUGabundo> Tekno: no of course not
[00:55] <coz_>  magcius  "maybe " this could help?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD
[00:56] <Tekno> write + notify would be cool
[00:57] <BUGabundo> magcius: I just tested and it has 3 lines for HEAD and 10 for BODY
[00:57] <timc> Hey, how do i disable the notification system?
[00:57] <Tekno> c
[00:57] <BUGabundo> timc: go back to ibex
[00:57] <BUGabundo> you can't do it on jaunty
[00:57] <mrwes> heh
[00:57] <mrwes> it's hard coded correct?
[00:57] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo, Sure about that, that doesn't sound right
[00:57] <BUGabundo> but some apps can do it too, like pidign
[00:58] <timc> so every time someone signs on pidgin, i will have a pop up notification?
[00:58] <BUGabundo> Jordan_U: do you know how?
[00:58] <magcius> Yeah... images are still extremely small.
[00:58] <magcius> But it's better.
[00:58] <BUGabundo> timc: no! you can change that on pidgin Plugins
[00:58] <BUGabundo> magcius: how big is your screen? its fine for me
[00:58] <mrwes> damn...gnome-do is sick
[00:58] <mrwes> heh
[00:58] <magcius> BUGabundo, 1600x1200
[00:58] <magcius> I hate gnome-do.
[00:59] <BUGabundo> magcius: file a bug to make the image vectorial and depdent on the screen size and resolution ?
[00:59] <magcius> Its TinyURL plugin is useless... it doesn't copy to the clipboard.
[00:59] <timc> i missed it first time around BUGabundo, thanks.
[00:59] <mrwes> and fast!
[00:59] <magcius> BUGabundo, or just use the original size?
[00:59]  * BUGabundo slaps magcius for talking down on DO
[00:59] <magcius> What's the point of a TinyURL plugin if it just shows you the URL on the screen?
[00:59] <magcius> And you can't even select it.
[01:00] <BUGabundo> magcius: do you really want a 800px avatar there?
[01:00] <BUGabundo> magcius: fill free to fix the plugin
[01:00] <magcius> BUGabundo, notify-send showed the original size and when apps needed to shrink they shrunk it themselves.
[01:01] <BUGabundo> didn't know
[01:01] <magcius> s/notify-send/notification-daemon/
[01:01] <magcius> Also, is there a way to turn on Compiz without having it reset all my settings?
[01:01] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[01:01] <magcius> And turn off all my plugins?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> magcius: alt+F2: compiz --reload ?
[01:02] <BUGabundo> magcius: alt+F2: compiz --replace ?
[01:02] <Halow> Why not tab to the "open url" the plugin makes, then copy it? o_0
[01:02] <Halow> For the Tiny url plugin.
[01:02] <magcius> Halow, because maybe firefox is closed?
[01:03] <magcius> Halow, and it takes like 10s to open up?
[01:04] <Halow> Hmmm... wonder just how hard it is to change those....
[01:06] <Halow> Actually....
[01:06] <magcius> BUGabundo, okay I just did that and gnome-panel isn't showing :(
[01:06] <Halow> magcius: You can copy it straight to clipboard. Tab to where it says open and press the down arrow and gives a wide range of options.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> magcius: really ? then you messed your WM. did you enable dontzap?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> other wise you need to go to a TTY and restart GDM
[01:18] <Hammer89> is there any way to change the settings for the indicator applet?
[01:19] <BUGabundo> Hammer89: NO
[01:20] <magcius> notify-osd seems to be sloooow
[01:20] <magcius> oh wait, it only shows one at a time???
[01:20] <kklimonda> magcius: yes
[01:20] <magcius> urggh... why?
[01:21] <kklimonda> magcius: design decision?
[01:21] <magcius> Is there a way to make it override the last notification?
[01:21] <magcius> Through notify-send?
[01:22] <kklimonda> magcius: i don't think so.
[01:23] <magcius> Things that differ from the de-facto implementation in a project that serves to be a replacement shouldn't be left to "design decisions"
[01:23] <magcius> That's an extremely immature design decision then.
[01:23] <magcius> I'm going to say that a lot of users are going to go unhappy.
[01:24] <magcius> Yes, it looks prettier, but when you set out to make a replacement the functionality should be the same.
[01:25] <daftykins> if you don't like it you don't have to run jaunty
[01:25] <magcius> ...
[01:25] <daftykins> no really, i'm just saying
[01:26] <kklimonda> magcius: there is gnome-stracciatella-session package which provides "clean" GNOME session (with notification-daemon instead of notify-osd and few other changes)
[01:26] <Paavi2_0> can anyone tell me which audio backend swfdec uses on jaunty?
[01:26] <magcius> If you provide something as a feature that's different, you don't go OUT OF YOUR WAY to force your differences on the user.
[01:26] <magcius> You provide a "legacy mode"
[01:26] <kklimonda> magcius: to be honest I don't know what fd.o specification says about it
[01:26] <daftykins> you're talking like this is the only OS where changes are forced upon users - care to look at Windows over the years magcius ? :P
[01:26] <kklimonda> notification-daemon isn't really standard by itself.
[01:27] <magcius> daftykins, and that's why I don't use it? Duh.
[01:27] <magcius> kklimonda, it's the de facto implementation.
[01:27] <daftykins> -_-
[01:27] <daftykins> so run Intrepid if you have issues :P
[01:27] <daftykins> and you're the one i'm saying 'duh' about, jesus
[01:27] <geek_> lol
[01:27] <BUGabundo> guys calm down! this is Off Topic, okay?
[01:27] <Paavi2_0> i get sound on rhythmbox et co. but with swfdec there's no sound. it does show the videos though...
[01:28] <magcius> And you still provide no solution.
[01:28] <BUGabundo> plus much as already been written about that on blogs, LP, and MLs
[01:28] <kklimonda> magcius: it doesn't matter imho - it doesn't follow specification in few points afaik so copying it's behaviour may not be the right way.
[01:28] <magcius> kklimonda, notification-daemon follows the exact freedesktop.org specification because the developers wrote BOTH.
[01:29] <kklimonda> magcius: it isn't true - i know at least one place where notification-daemon doesn't follow specification.
[01:29] <magcius> kklimonda, things that were not in the specification (like queueing behavior, possibility of actions, image resizing) is where they differ.
[01:29] <magcius> kklimonda, where?
[01:30] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: magcius: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic. thanks
[01:31] <magcius> How is this off the topic of the next Ubuntu?
[01:31] <BUGabundo> magcius: because its WontFix at the higher level
[01:32] <magcius> BUGabundo, then I'll fork notify-osd.
[01:32] <danbhfive> magcius: maybe you can just install notification-daemon?
[01:32] <magcius> danbhfive, but that's not an option when Jaunty releases for good.
[01:33] <BUGabundo> magcius: sure. great idea. maybe you can get a massive amount of user to use it
[01:33] <kklimonda> magcius: for example body text markup - specification says that only few (listed) tags are to be used by notifications.
[01:33] <kklimonda> magcius: but notification-daemon happili accept everything and so developers take it for granted.
[01:34] <kklimonda> magcius: and when doesn't current queue work for you?
[01:34] <magcius> And also, the volume indicator applet is broken on my system.
[01:35] <kklimonda> magcius: then file bug - obviously it should work
[01:35] <magcius> I don't want it to be labeled wontfix because I'm using OSSv4.
[01:36] <BluesKaj> !oss
[01:36] <BluesKaj> !pulseaudio
[01:38] <magcius> Okay, this is broken.
[01:39] <magcius> If I notify-send -u normal test then 2 ms later do notify-send -u critical test2 the other one doesn't override it.
[01:41] <BUGabundo> magcius: $ ubuntu-bug notify-osd
[01:41] <kklimonda> magcius: critical notification does override all queued normal notifications.
[01:41] <rushton> hi all, sorry if this has been asked (a lot) before, but am i able to get effectively what will be released tomorrow instead of the rc?
[01:41] <magcius> kklimonda, all queued? Shouldn't a critical override the current notification?
[01:42] <BUGabundo>  !daily | rushton
[01:42] <rushton> oh excellent, thankyou
[01:42] <geek_> rushton: well, in theory, you should be able to install, and update to get a disk equivilent to the nightly builds
[01:42] <BUGabundo> magcius: I've been powdering that too
[01:42] <BUGabundo> I hate to not get the Disconection from NM in time
[01:44] <jtholmes> the nightly builds have actually stopped what is there now will only be respun if the problem is release critical otherwise as I understand it what is in the daily and current dirs etc. will be released
[01:45] <kklimonda> magcius: not according to NotifyOsd wiki page.
[01:45] <rushton> yeah that's why i thought the daily/nightly builds would be as good as the real thing :P
[01:45] <kklimonda> magcius: don't know what specifications says about it - from quick look they don't mention it at all.
[01:45] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: I see there from 20
[01:45] <BUGabundo> so they are running
[01:46] <Zelut> BUGabundo: yo, can you help me a bit more with this sound issue? I'm still stuck.
[01:46] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, some are from 20 and some are 20.1, 21.1, 21.3  21.4  but only minor changes
[01:47] <BUGabundo> Zelut: not much. you have to wait for dtchen
[01:47] <jtholmes> rushton, you should be able to upgrade now (barring catastrophic problem) and run update after the
[01:47] <jtholmes> release on thrus
[01:47] <jtholmes> thurs
[01:48] <ShackJack> Hi all - weird sound issue with recent Gateway install - speaker makes an intermittent "clicking" sound (?!) I don't have computer with me - just wondering if anyone's run across a similar issue?
[01:48] <rushton> yep, sounds good. thanks
[01:48] <Zelut> BUGabundo: thanks.
[01:48] <ShackJack> ^^ Sound system didn't default to PulseAudio for some reason, so I figure maybe I'd trying changing that to see if it stops the issue...
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ShackJack: known bug
[01:48] <jtholmes> rushton that way you beat the rush (ton) :>)
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ShackJack: bug 345627
[01:49] <BUGabundo> I forgot to rsync all my images today
[01:49] <BUGabundo> I'm doomed tommorow
[01:49] <geek_> jtholmes: lol. If you really wanted to beat the rush, you can always order a disk ;p
[01:49] <BUGabundo> cwillu I guess I'll have to testrun your script
[01:49] <geek_> (i admit i did, got impatient, then downloaded it ;p)
[01:49] <BUGabundo> geek_: thanks for remind me that I forgot yet again to make my special request
[01:50] <ShackJack> BUGabundo: Thanks - though I'm not sure that's it -for some reason the install didn;'t default to PulseAudio ... and it's more of a distinct "clicking" vs. scratching/crackling...
[01:50] <BUGabundo> aahh
[01:50] <jtholmes> geek_, true, true, but tooooo many of us like the long waits :)
[01:50] <geek_> jtholmes: I have a disk in the mail ;p
[01:50] <ShackJack> BUGabundo: I will have the owner try switching to PulseAudio though to see if that cures it... Don't know why fresh instll didn't default to that though...
[01:50] <geek_> ok, its for the box which keeps having its hard dtive die ;p
[01:51] <jtholmes> geek_, do you have slow comm line
[01:51] <rushton> heh i'm actually not usually so impatient, just need to do an install today :P
[01:52] <geek_> jtholmes: cable net. And i use axel to download. I tend to keep a recent official ubuntu disk in my toolkit in case
[01:52] <aprilhare> hey
[01:52] <mattwj2002> aprilhare are you running ipv6?
[01:52] <geek_> that way if someone wants to try it, i give them the disk, and order a new one
[01:52] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: ipv6 up and running :)
[01:52] <mattwj2002> how are you doing that?
[01:52] <mattwj2002> ipv6 proxy?
[01:52] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: miredo
[01:53] <mattwj2002> miredo ?
[01:53] <mattwj2002> !miredo
[01:53] <geek_> jtholmes: i got a nearly 800 kbps download speed using it ;p
[01:53] <jtholmes> geek_, well what is on  /cdimage now I suspect will not change much tomorrow everything but the kub dvd's has been tested for major show stopper bugs
[01:53] <geek_> ... DVD?
[01:53] <aprilhare> aye package in intrepid/jaunty - lets you tunnel ipv6 through routers etc
[01:53] <jtholmes> geek_, lucky u i get about 376
[01:53] <geek_> jtholmes: well i was using a threaded downloader
[01:54] <jtholmes> geek_, what is axel
[01:54] <geek_> i need to work out how to make it handle mirrors though, then i can spread out the load
[01:54] <geek_> jtholmes: its like wget, but it downloads with multiple threads
[01:54] <aprilhare> has anyone got the problem or knows how to fix a situation where the update manager doesn't realise that you have updated your package information recently? it thinks its been 8 days ago but it was 2 minutes ago..
[01:54] <geek_> makes better use of your connection
[01:54] <jtholmes> geek_, interesting will have to look into it
[01:55] <geek_> jtholmes: one tip, use the alternate display mode. the standard display mode uses up a load of CPU
[01:55] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: install miredo and enjoy ipv6 goodness
[01:55] <mattwj2002> sweet
[01:55] <mattwj2002> :D
[01:55] <geek_> aprilhare: which tunnel broker does that work with?
[01:55] <jtholmes> geek_, ok thanks
[01:55] <BUGabundo> geek_: jtholmes: using rsync makes that so insignificant!
[01:55] <aprilhare> geek_: it contacts either the m$ teredo server or a ubuntu one if memory serves
[01:55] <geek_> BUGabundo: there's a fast rsync mirror?
[01:55] <geek_> ahh
[01:56] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, i see, i always use rsync
[01:56] <BUGabundo> geek_: axel won't help you when the single copy of daily is on cdimage
[01:56]  * aprilhare throws things at his update manager
[01:56] <geek_> BUGabundo: it will help as long as there's a http download thing ;)
[01:56] <BUGabundo> geek_: not faster, but saves you from downloading it all again
[01:57] <mattwj2002> aprilhare do I have to restart or anything?
[01:57] <geek_> hmm
[01:57] <aprilhare> no
[01:57] <mattwj2002> let me try to restart pidgin
[01:57] <geek_> anyone know how i can get the gnome network manager accessable in another desktop environment?
[01:58] <BUGabundo> geek_: I know it works with KDE
[01:58] <BUGabundo> actually I think you want nm-applet
[01:58] <BUGabundo> network-manager is a system daemon
[01:58] <mattwj2002> hmm
[01:59] <geek_> ahh
[01:59] <geek_> thats what i needed
[01:59] <geek_> BUGabundo: lxde in my case
[01:59] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: try web browsing to http://ipv6.google.com/ and admire animated google icon
[02:00] <mattwj2002> o.I
[02:00] <aprilhare> well... when it isnt earth day that is.
[02:00] <mattwj2002> oops
[02:00] <mattwj2002> o.O
[02:00] <aprilhare> heh
[02:00] <aprilhare> first time i've seen the animated icon disappear
[02:01] <racecar56> is there a fglrx for ati radeon 2400?
[02:01] <darthanubis> nemo, it was a BIOS setting preventing the install cd from continuing
[02:01] <darthanubis> I don't know which one
[02:01] <darthanubis> I got it installed now
[02:01]  * aprilhare chose nvidia geforce 9500 instead of ati radeon card
[02:01] <aprilhare> gt even
[02:02] <darthanubis> just bought that card today
[02:02] <darthanubis> for $32!!!
[02:02] <racecar56> aprilhare my laptop has a geforce... anyway i dont care
[02:02] <racecar56> aprilhare just IS there?
[02:02] <xerxes> Hi...i have jaunty installed and want to use tor, but aptitude says, it has no installation candidate
[02:02] <xerxes> How do i fix that?
[02:02] <BigMoopies> Will Xubuntu be out in 2 days along with Kubuntu/Ubuntu ?
[02:03] <racecar56> ya
[02:03] <BUGabundo> xerxes: go to their site and read the wiki
[02:03] <racecar56> april 23rd... today's 21st...
[02:03] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, everything is suppose to come out thursday
[02:03] <shaga> tried axel. loving it :)
[02:03] <BigMoopies> Yes
[02:03] <BUGabundo> xerxes: tor as been removed and blacklisted from Ubuntu archives
[02:03] <shaga> thanks for recommendation whoever it was
[02:03] <xerxes> I did that and they managed that with deb, but i dont find deb
[02:03] <BUGabundo> for not being up to date
[02:03] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Any special time?  Like can I download it in the morning ?
[02:03] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Or will it be in the afternoon
[02:03] <aprilhare> racecar56: just is there what? :)
[02:03] <racecar56> aprilhare is there a fglrx for ati radeon 2400?
[02:04] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, reason I ask is I have limited bandwith besides 1-6 AM
[02:04] <xerxes> What does that mean, BUGabundo?
[02:04] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: after 16h UTC
[02:04] <aprilhare> racecar56: sorry wouldn't have clue was making general comment about my choice of gfx cards sorry
[02:04] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, you could download the cdimages now they wont change that much and any changes can be handled with updates
[02:04] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo, 16 UTC = ? CDT?
[02:04] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: just get the daily and the rsync if there are any changes!
[02:04] <racecar56> aprilhare k, i dont really care that i have ati, and i don't really like ati but i just happen to have one
[02:05] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: timeanddate.com ?
[02:05] <aprilhare> racecar56: wasn't making comment re you
[02:05] <aprilhare> making comment re me :)
[02:05] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo,  10 am
[02:05] <BigMoopies> BUGabundo, I guess it can wait till Friday
[02:05] <igorgue> where are the compiz blacklisted cards?
[02:05] <BUGabundo> xerxes: means you have to search on their site
[02:05] <thiebaude> Hi BUGabundo
[02:06] <BUGabundo> BigMoopies: why? get it today! then rsync
[02:06] <BUGabundo> thiebaude: really? I better go to bed!
[02:06] <jtholmes> BigMoopies,  you wont like the download speeds on friday
[02:06] <thiebaude> its 2am there?
[02:06] <BUGabundo> yep
[02:06] <xerxes> BUGabundo: They do it with deb, but there is no deb on my jaunty
[02:07] <BUGabundo> xerxes: I never used tor, so I don't know. I'm just passing the info I read on the ML
[02:07] <BUGabundo> there should be a deb for it on tor site
[02:07] <geek_> hmm
[02:08] <BUGabundo> YAY finally read all but one email from devel and devel-discuss. time to celebrate by hitting the #pillow
[02:08] <BUGabundo> bye guys
[02:08] <thiebaude> geek_: my 9.04 is fixed
[02:08] <geek_> wierd. looks like lxde dosen't work with nm-applet for some reason
[02:08] <geek_> thiebaude: yay
[02:08] <thiebaude> i edited my xorg.conf file
[02:08] <xerxes> yeah..but i didnt find the deb-programm for jaunty
[02:09] <BUGabundo> geek_: yes known bug
[02:09] <BUGabundo> now I'm really out
[02:09] <xerxes> im new to the debian/ubuntu thing so im stupid
[02:09] <geek_> BUGabundo: bleh
[02:09] <Paavi2_0> lxde didn't work with wine's "icons" on notification area either - it doesn't show them at all
[02:09] <thiebaude> geek_: i got lxde, im going to check it out
[02:09] <geek_> i just need it to stay online ;p
[02:10] <stooj> Hello all
[02:11] <racecar56> hi
[02:11] <jtholmes> stooj hello
[02:14] <racecar56> does fglrx work for ati radeon 2400? i want to know before i upgrade
[02:15] <BooVeMan_work> can I use sid packages in jaunty?
[02:15] <BooVeMan_work> like the tor package?
[02:15] <DanaG> racecar56: that's an R600 series card, so yes, it should be supported in Jaunty.
[02:15] <nemo> darthanubis: what's your laptop model?
[02:15] <DanaG> Just watch out for this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/314600
[02:16] <racecar56> DanaG, yay :D
[02:16] <nemo> darthanubis: there are a couple of possible suspects
[02:16] <mase_work> BooVeMan_work: wouldn't recommend it. there is no guarantee of binary compatibility
[02:16] <racecar56> DanaG, mk
[02:16] <DanaG> Just remember the "aticonfig --acpi-services=off" command mentioned.
[02:16] <racecar56> ya
[02:16] <darthanubis> nemo, it is a desktop I built nforce 680i
[02:16] <mase_work> BooVeMan_work: you can grab the source from sid and recompile it on your jaunty box
[02:17] <racecar56> DanaG, so i install it with ati's package, not jockey?
[02:17] <DanaG> There
[02:17] <jtholmes> BooVeMan_work, jaunty is not necessarily a image copy of  sid
[02:17] <DanaG> There's a newer 9.4 official out now.
[02:17] <geek_> aprilhare: hmm, just curious, if i got miredo, is my ipv6 ip address the one for eth0 or teredo?
[02:17] <BooVeMan_work> ok
[02:17] <BooVeMan_work> thanks
[02:17] <DanaG> you'd want to run theirs with --buildpkg Ubuntu/jaunty
[02:18] <aprilhare> geek_: the ipv6 ip is provided via teredo and the packets go via the teredo server (i think).
[02:18] <darthanubis> brb
[02:18] <aprilhare> i don''t know much about it i just enjoy it :)
[02:18] <aprilhare> heh
[02:18] <geek_> aprilhare: ya but which is my ip address ;p
[02:18] <racecar56> DanaG, kk
[02:19] <aprilhare> geek_: both, of course
[02:19] <geek_> hmm
[02:19] <geek_> i can't seem to be pinged from either ><
[02:19] <aprilhare> both the ipv4 and ipv6 ips would be valid and the ipv6 ip would correspond to the machine you're using
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, what about a radeon 9500?
[02:20] <mattwj2002> hi aprilhare
[02:20] <DanaG> racecar56: that'll need the open-source driver.
[02:20] <mattwj2002> why can't I do a ping6 to google.com
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, cool, woot
[02:20] <aprilhare> mattwj2002: hello - do ping6 ipv6.google.com
[02:20] <racecar56> DanaG, i only use the fglrx cause my cards don't work with the open source one
[02:21] <mattwj2002> oh there it goes
[02:21] <mattwj2002> :D
[02:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the OSS drivers have recently gained some power management support and very basic 3D support for R600.
[02:21] <DanaG> Not enough for compiz, though.
[02:21] <aprilhare> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- 9 packets transmitted, 8 received, 11% packet loss, time 8017ms; rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 389.769/538.931/1486.948/359.366 ms, pipe 2
[02:21] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, "rsync" ?
[02:21] <racecar56> DanaG, ok
[02:22] <geek_> ahh http://testmyipv6.com/ helped ;p
[02:23]  * DanaG 's IPv6 address is 2002:4709:3419:1:290:4bff:fec9:6397 (TCP port 37481).
[02:23] <aprilhare> i created a little icon "restart miredo" for any troubles i run into - uses command gksudo /etc/init.d/miredo restart
[02:23] <DanaG> I have my router doing my translation.
[02:23] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, So you want me to download the RC copies
[02:23] <BigMoopies> ?
[02:23] <aprilhare> ooooo more ipv6
[02:23] <racecar56> DanaG, we were told long ago when we ordered this thing (the 9500) that it was a ati vampire, and i THINK it's a 9500, is it?
[02:24] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, are you familiar with rsync command
[02:24] <aprilhare> DanaG: my router and modem are too stupid for such things
[02:24] <DanaG> Vampire?
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, yeah
[02:24] <DanaG> my router runs dd-wrt.
[02:24] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, No
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, i for some reason remember it being a 9500
[02:24] <DanaG> Not sure what you mean by vampire.
[02:24] <aprilhare> dd-wrt?
[02:24] <racecar56> DanaG, ill trry to find stats
[02:25] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, and you dont have any 9.04 cd's whatever on hand, alphas etc.
[02:25] <DanaG> racecar56: you thinking of this?  http://www.driverheaven.net/news/12955-ati-gargoyle-clock-screensaver.html
[02:25] <DanaG> oh wait, that's 9800.
[02:25] <DanaG> 9700 was the 3-headed dog.
[02:25] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, No. I am using Hardy.  I was wanting to run Jaunty live to see if it screws up like Intrepid
[02:25] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Before I install
[02:25] <bitmonk1> can i upgrade to jaunty at the command line from intrepid?
[02:26] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, ok what flavor do you want  ubuntu kubuntu
[02:26] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, Xubuntu
[02:26] <bitmonk> all of the instructions i see are to use update-manager -d and that requires me to install gnome, which i'd rather not on this lightweight cloud server..
[02:26] <aprilhare> DanaG: my netgear router would not run such a thing. too stupid.
[02:26] <kklimonda> bitmonk: do-release-upgrade -d
[02:26] <bitmonk> ah ok..
[02:26] <DanaG> What router, including model number?
[02:26] <bitmonk> thanks, i was wondering if i could set dev, should have just tried -d ;d
[02:26] <DanaG> bitmonk: try do-dist-upgrade?
[02:26] <jtholmes> ok let me look up the xubuntu dir and then i will paste the commands for you
[02:27] <bitmonk> there we go, jaunty.tar.gz coming :)
[02:27] <racecar56> DanaG, hold on im gonna get out the vid card and see
[02:27] <aprilhare> DanaG: wgr614v6
[02:27] <DanaG> V6... may be dd-wrt-able.
[02:27] <bitmonk> thanks kklimonda
[02:27] <DanaG> Mine was a V3.
[02:27] <jtholmes> !paste
[02:27] <Volkodav_> I found tomato better the dd-wrt
[02:28] <DanaG> I don't like tomatoes.  =tþ
[02:28] <darthanubis> welkl fresh install held pver /home from debian, deleted all .pulse files, and no sound expect when gdm starts
[02:28] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, rsync looks like SFTP commands
[02:28] <Volkodav_> lighter and more stable too
[02:28] <DanaG> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=44439&highlight=wgr614v6
[02:29] <aprilhare> dd-wrt says mine is a work in progress
[02:29] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, perhaps but i wouldnt know about sftp commands
[02:29] <Volkodav_> see if tomato supports it
[02:29] <BigMoopies> jtholmes, either way.. Is it possible to get Xubuntu Jaunty .. uh.. RCsomething now ?
[02:29] <BigMoopies> (and run it live)
[02:30] <racecar56> DanaG, just got the card...
[02:30] <racecar56> DanaG, heres the stuff
[02:31] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, yes hold on i am putting together 4 commands to handle it for you
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, RV280Se/128M/HP
[02:31] <BigMoopies> :-\
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, LPNH2
[02:31] <racecar56> DanaG, RV200 series...
[02:32] <geek_> aprilhare: mine is 52001:0:53aa:64c:1c7e:185b:c442:efa8 port 8352
[02:32] <DanaG> RV200-ish is a 9200 or such, isn't it?
[02:32] <racecar56> DanaG, i knew it was a 9xxx
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, but i wasn't sure, shure thought it was a 9500
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, hmm
[02:33] <racecar56> DanaG, i took a guess and thought it was a 9500, but i guess i was wrong
[02:34] <jtholmes> BigMoopies, paste.ubuntu.com/155661  note that lines 4 and 5 are long lines
[02:34] <xerxes_> hmm...i tried to get the tor-version of debian sid, but apt-get says:  NO_PUBKEY CFF71CB3AFA44BDD...how to manage that?
[02:35] <xerxes_> aw...i meant the debian version of tor, of course
[02:35] <BigMoopies> I'll just wait.
[02:35] <darthanubis> no sound :((
[02:35] <darthanubis> this has to be the worst scenario
[02:36] <geek_> xerxes_: sounds like it expects the repo to be signed
[02:36] <xerxes_> Can anyone help me?
[02:36] <xerxes_> So yunty only works with signed yaunty repos?
[02:37] <kklimonda> xerxes_: no - you have to add public to to keyring
[02:37] <kklimonda> public key*
[02:37] <xerxes_> how to do that?
[02:38] <wirechief> xerxes_:  use this and substitute the key gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 1C79A27CD5E81909
[02:38] <genii> Hm, "yaunty"
[02:38] <wirechief> then
[02:38] <kklimonda> xerxes_: ``sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com CFF71CB3AFA44BDD''
[02:38] <wirechief> gpg -a --export 1C79A27CD5E81909 | sudo apt-key add -
[02:39] <wirechief> hehe well ok you got it
[02:42] <xerxes_> yeah...that worked fine...thanx wirechief...what did i do?
[02:42] <wirechief> xerxes_: now you gotta do apt-get update
[02:42] <wirechief> xerxes_: to see if it liked it
[02:43] <kklimonda> xerxes_: you have added public key that was used to sign debian repository to your keyring.
[02:43] <xerxes_> yeah i did that..and after that the apt-get install...it worked fine
[02:43] <wirechief> xerxes_: that key you were looking for will add that repo to your  key-ring
[02:43] <xerxes_> ah
[02:43] <wirechief> xerxes_: fine
[02:43] <xerxes_> i have no clue about that key-stuff
[02:44] <xerxes_> i think i must study that when time is left
[02:44] <wirechief> xerxes_: its in the debian manual ;)
[02:44] <xerxes_> jo
[02:45] <xerxes_> does tor start automatically every time i boot up the machine?
[02:45] <wirechief> xerxes_: just save that coding for next time, i use a .doc file on google, that way i can access my junk from any of my three computers ;)
[02:45] <xerxes_> or do i need to configure something
[02:45] <wirechief> xerxes_: i dont even know what tor is ;) just saw you needed to add the key to your ring
[02:46] <xerxes_> cool...tor is an anonymizing router software
[02:46] <xerxes_> it hides your ip
[02:46] <xerxes_> for the bad guys and wannabes like me :D
[02:47] <wirechief> xerxes_: ;)
[02:47] <kindofabuzz> why you wanna be a bad guy?
[02:47] <DanaG> oh, sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:47] <xerxes_> i want to see Paris Hilton poppin on the net and dont want to be killed by her bodygards for that :D
[02:47] <DanaG> that's the command-line update-manager.
[02:48] <kindofabuzz> xerxes_, paris hiton looks like a pretty stick
[02:48] <robin0800> kindofabuzz: Perhaps he's a bad guy already?
[02:48]  * wirechief has to catch a train bye
[02:48] <xerxes_> Well she reminds me of my ex-girlfriend
[02:48] <kindofabuzz> xerxes_, no body?
[02:49] <xerxes_> well its Paris Hilton in 16:9
[02:50] <kindofabuzz> anyone got a good mail sever setup guide?
[02:54] <racecar56> i gotta go... if anyone wants me then ill be on #ubuntu
[02:54] <kindofabuzz> you can't have 2 or more channels open? =)
[02:54] <racecar56> just trying to make looking at multiple channels less frantic
[02:54] <kindofabuzz> hehe
[02:54] <racecar56> as im only on one :P
[02:54] <racecar56> cya
[02:54] <sebsebseb> oh well this channel
[02:54] <sebsebseb> is going bye bye soon
[02:54] <sebsebseb> again
[02:54] <racecar56> really?
[02:54] <racecar56> O_o
[02:54] <sebsebseb> yes
[02:55] <sebsebseb> once 9.04 is out
[02:55] <racecar56> k
[02:55] <sebsebseb>   #ubuntu is suppourt for 9.04 as well
[02:55] <kindofabuzz> well then it will be for 9.10
[02:55] <racecar56> nah.. i wont leave
[02:55] <racecar56> ill stay
[02:55] <sebsebseb> yes  and then 9.10 development here, when that starts
[02:55] <racecar56> lolz
[02:55] <racecar56> thats a while away
[02:55] <kindofabuzz> i'm sure it's already started
[02:55] <racecar56> it is
[02:55] <racecar56> i think
[02:56] <kindofabuzz> kinky koala?
[02:56] <racecar56> i know they have the code name for it.. i think they have 10.04's also
[02:56] <racecar56> something along those lines
[02:56] <sebsebseb> well at least one guy has left Ubuntu, because of 9.04
[02:56] <racecar56> y
[02:56] <kindofabuzz> 10.04 lesbian lioness
[02:56] <sebsebseb> ,because of it's changes to Gnome
[02:56] <sebsebseb> no  shutdown and logout in the system menu etc etc
[02:56] <sebsebseb> no new gdm  etc
[02:56] <racecar56> k
[02:56] <shavlir> so if I have a random system hang after login in 9.04, is this the correct place to ask?
[02:57] <sebsebseb> shavlir: at the moment, but not on April 23rd
[02:57] <shavlir> :-)
[02:57] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, huh? no shutdown in system menu? i have it
[02:57] <geek_> ;p
[02:57] <magcius> Isn't that #ubuntu+2 ?
[02:57] <shavlir> If I had to guess, I'd say it is a graphics problem, but I can't say for sure.  some strange things I see are that xorg.conf is blank, and the xorg process is only taking up 24m in dram.
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: no shutdown and logout in the system menu yeah
[02:57] <geek_> xorg.conf being blank is normal
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: unless fusa is removed or whatever
[02:57] <geek_> strangely enough
[02:57] <racecar56> ubuntu+2 redirects to here
[02:57] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, oh that was his problem, that's weird
[02:57] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: not just that
[02:58] <shavlir> it hangs as soon as I try to do anything cpu intensive like open firefox or browse the programs menu
[02:58] <geek_> hmm
[02:58] <geek_> thats odd
[02:58] <geek_> my taskbar went blank
[02:58] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: notify-osd, launchpad-integration, fusa, gdm, gpm
[02:58] <geek_> shavlir: what kinda graphics card?
[02:59] <shavlir> ati radeon
[02:59] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: the changes they have made to fusa, and the non-use of the new gnome-{display,power}-manager
[02:59] <kindofabuzz> meh
[02:59] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: just copied in what he told me a little while ago
[03:00] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: and he has a point about getting KDE 4.2 in there, but not new Gnome stuff
[03:00] <racecar56> will #ubuntu+1 be about 9.10 when 9.04 comes?
[03:00] <sebsebseb> racecar56: once development starts yeah
[03:00] <sebsebseb> racecar56: and there's something relivant to say about 9.10
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> I'm switching to OpenGEU once they get the 9.04 version of it out.. The 8.10 version is nice but they are still in "beta" with 8.10
[03:01]  * genii knocks at the door of #ubuntu-release-party
[03:01] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: what's  OpenGEU?
[03:01] <racecar56> hi genii
[03:01] <sebsebseb> genii: yeah the hype each release, but  9.04 isn't that great really
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, e17 based ubuntu
[03:01]  * genii hands racecar56 a coffee
[03:01] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: oh  enlightment/
[03:01] <sebsebseb> ?
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:01] <kindofabuzz> it's nice, try it out sometime
[03:01] <genii> sebsebseb: I wait usually for the LTS releases
[03:02] <sebsebseb> genii: ,but not this time?
[03:02] <genii> sebsebseb: I have 9.04 on a dev partition for testing, otherwise not much excited about it
[03:02] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: yeah I have installed enlightment into Ubuntu before, but then it's like, how do I use it?
[03:02] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: Elive I heard is all nicely set up though, for people to try
[03:03] <shavlir> the livecd also hangs for me (also after login), so I had to install with "safe mode"
[03:03] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, OpenGEU is very easy to use. Elive charges $ though
[03:03] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: uh?  I think Elive is free to download?
[03:03] <racecar56> evil is hiding in elive o.o
[03:03] <racecar56> heehee
[03:03] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok OpenGEU  that's a wm?
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, not what i read the other day, well it's free to run the livecd, but if installed, they want money. i
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: distros that  want money, suck
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I mean want people to buy it
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, e17 is the wm, then it has it's own version of Compiz, it's really fast
[03:04] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: which has it's own compiz?
[03:04] <kindofabuzz> i forget what their 'compiz" is called
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:05] <racecar56> enlightenment?
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> yeah
[03:05] <faileas> kindofabuzz: which distro?
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> OpenGEU
[03:05] <kindofabuzz> http://opengeu.intilinux.com/Home.html
[03:05] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks i'll check that one out to
[03:06] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I guess better to run that from a Live CD,  than  in a virtual machine?
[03:06] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, yeah the livecd works great, even the compositing
[03:06] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I am going distro trying crazy, once I got 9.04 final on with Ext4.  at the moment  a  upgraded  8.10, to alpha6, to beta, to rc,  install,  which  well has some problems
[03:07] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: yeah I always thought Elive probably better to run from a Live CD, than in a vm?  and I guess same thing for  this opengeu
[03:07] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I mean if it's using compiz or something like compiz?
[03:07] <kindofabuzz> it's not compiz though, lemme find out what it's called
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: I guess try  those out in virtualbox first, and  can always make a live cd  as well if I want to
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks well,   going away from computer
[03:08] <kindofabuzz> later
[03:08] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ,but can read what it's called etc, when I get back
[03:09] <faileas> kindofabuzz: they do have just a repo i think i didn't recall em expecting to pay for an install
[03:10] <kindofabuzz> faileas, taken from elive's site: For the next stable release, it is planned to allow the download totally free. Instead of pay for the download you should pay just for the installation. This means that the live mode is entirely free and you should pay only if you want to install Elive in your hard disk.
[03:11] <faileas> ahh
[03:11] <faileas> e live... i thought you meant opengeu
[03:11] <kindofabuzz> no
[03:11] <kindofabuzz> sebsebseb, it's called Echomorph
[03:12] <sebsebseb> kindofabuzz: ok thanks bye
[03:12]  * kindofabuzz packs a bowl
[03:14] <shavlir> :-( no one wants to help me with my system hang?
[03:14] <jtholmes> shavlir, what is going on
[03:15] <racecar56> should i upgrade to 9.04rc?
[03:15] <shavlir> my keyboard stops working and mouse becomes choppy after login when I try to do anything cpu intensive like open firefox or browse the programs menu
[03:15] <racecar56> or should i wait until its released?
[03:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, ubuntu or kubuntu or ??
[03:16] <shavlir> I am competely updated to the latest, did a safe-upgrade this morning
[03:16] <shavlir> regular
[03:16] <shavlir> 9.04
[03:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, ubuntu
[03:16] <shavlir> yes
[03:17] <shavlir> alternate install with dmraid...but it does the same thing on the livecd too
[03:17] <DasEi> shavlir: checked your logs for errors / what a machine ?
[03:18] <jtholmes> shavlir, DasEi has the start of the solution
[03:18] <shavlir> xorg.0.log has an error, somethign do do with entry poitn failed
[03:18] <shavlir> reverting to softwar render
[03:19] <DasEi> shavlir: which graphics ?
[03:19] <shavlir> radeon hd2400
[03:19] <racecar56> i have that too
[03:20] <DasEi> shavlir: did you check hardware-drivers ?
[03:20] <shavlir> what do you mean by check? I'm just using the whatever the default is
[03:20] <shavlir> xorg.conf is blank, so that's kind of cinfusing
[03:21] <DasEi> shavlir: under system you'll find a option for prop. drivers > enable if possible
[03:21] <DasEi> hardware-drivers
[03:21] <robin0800> shavlir: system/hardware drivers
[03:21] <jtholmes> shavlir, xorg.conf is dynamic now
[03:21] <shavlir> can't get there, hangs if I browse the programs menu
[03:22] <robin0800> shavlir: log out and choose failsafe
[03:22] <DasEi> shavlir: can you boot safe boot / terminal (ctrl-alt-f1), then : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:23] <shavlir> failsafe still hangs, I'll try the reconfigure now
[03:24] <Tecna> does anyone know why my dvds won't play?
[03:24] <faileas> Tecna: got libdvdcss installed?
[03:24] <Tecna> let me check
[03:25] <robin0800> Tecna: Get it from vlc's site
[03:25] <DasEi> Tecna: or try vlc itself
[03:26] <faileas> Tecna: i recommend adding the medibuntu repos, they have a copy of that and other useful things there
[03:26] <pace_t_zulu> has anyone noticed that when you change screen resolutions, panel objects and applets can get disorganized and out of order?
[03:27] <racecar56> yes
[03:27] <racecar56> although im on 8.10
[03:27] <robin0800> DasEi: VlC dosen't include that lib though it is available on there site
[03:27] <racecar56> i remember replacing my monitor from a 1280x1024 to a 1680x1050 and BOY things went wacko
[03:27] <DasEi> robin0800, which dvd- lib ?
[03:27] <shavlir> DasEi: robin0800: jtholmes: reconfigure using frame buffer didn't work, same hang
[03:28] <Tecna> faileas: what are medibuntu repos
[03:28] <DasEi> shavlir, I won't use framebuffer;; xorg.0.log ? also check syslogh/kernellog
[03:28] <faileas> Tecna: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu I'm suprised you haven't heard of them
[03:29] <robin0800> DasEi: libdvdcss2 its a dvd decryption libary
[03:30] <DasEi> robin0800, aah, see/know ; until now vlc's own codecs could handle every dvd I found , Tecna
[03:31] <DasEi> Tecna: medibuntu is good to check, else sudo apt-get install vlc (standalone Player)
[03:32] <Naynay> Proprietary AMD/ATI driver still doesn't work
[03:32] <robin0800> DasEi: Coundl't play Dark Knight without it
[03:32] <Naynay> just tried it only an hour ago on a fresh installed system
[03:33] <darthanubis> got my sound back
[03:33] <darthanubis> I think it was some sound gconf file in ~
[03:33] <DasEi> Naynay, ubuntus prop or the one from vendor ?
[03:34] <DanaG> Naynay: define "doesn't work" -- and what hardware?
[03:34] <darthanubis> Ubuntu J.J. is Dynomite!
[03:34] <Naynay> ok
[03:34] <tretle> hi, Im trying to compile a program on jaunty and I am getting an error regarding qt headers and libraris
[03:35] <tretle> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:35] <Naynay> Doesn't work as in AMD64 RC CD install. Immediate patching up the latest version, and then installation of the restricted driver for AMD/ATI cards
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> install QT then
[03:35] <tretle> I think its installed
[03:35] <Naynay> My hrdware is two Radeon HD 3870 s in crossfire
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> evidently not
[03:35] <tretle> is qt4 not backwards compatible with 3
[03:35] <kindofabuzz> you have to install the QT dev packages
[03:35] <Naynay> all done from the gnome desktop. No fancy CLI work done here
[03:35] <racecar56> im on 3 irc channels and its getting frantic...
[03:36] <Stupendoussteve> Only 3? ;P
[03:36] <Naynay> Upon reboot, x doesn't start
[03:37] <Naynay> this bug has been around a while. I figured it might have been dealt with by now, so close to release
[03:37] <racecar56> yeah
[03:37] <racecar56> #ubuntu is flooding
[03:37] <Naynay> mind you, that it's amd64, not i386. Maybe i386 driver works. I don't know.
[03:38] <Stupendoussteve> No it's just busy
[03:39] <racecar56> thats what i meant
[03:39] <crdlb> tretle: what is it?
[03:39] <tretle> lol, a procedural planet generator from 2003 :D
[03:39] <crdlb> tretle: Qt4 were compatible with Qt3, it wouldn't be called Qt4 :>
[03:40] <crdlb> if Qt4 were*
[03:40] <tretle> http://www.vterrain.org/Packages/IUE/
[03:40] <racecar56> it should have been qt 3.10...
[03:41] <shavlir> man this is frustrating
[03:41] <tretle> thats what I am trying to compile
[03:41] <crdlb> tretle: I would start with libqt3-dev to start
[03:41] <crdlb> err remove one of those 'start's
[03:42] <crdlb> racecar56: what?
[03:42] <crdlb> you mean 'would have'?
[03:42] <crdlb> hmm, that package doesn't exist :/
[03:42] <racecar56> yeah
[03:43] <racecar56> why, does qt 3.10 exist?
[03:43] <racecar56> i didn't think so
[03:43] <crdlb> you've lost me
[03:43] <kindofabuzz> lol i made the front page pic of our local newpaper. that's me standing up with back to camera: http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=TN_CA&ref_pge=lst
[03:43] <tretle> I have libqt3-mt-dev installed already but its still bringing up the error
[03:44] <crdlb> tretle: the exact same error? :/
[03:44] <racecar56> O_o
[03:44] <shavlir> blue shirt or yellow shirt?
[03:44] <crdlb> tretle: you could try libqt3-compat-headers
[03:44] <tretle> crdbld - yes, I installed that when I tried last night
[03:44] <crdlb> from libqt3-mt-dev's desc
[03:44] <racecar56> good idea
[03:44] <racecar56> it works for me
[03:45] <tretle> Im not a kde user so I am unsure as to what package could be causing the issue which is why I came for help on irc
[03:46] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, that's me in the backgroung with my left hand playing with my ponytail lol it's was 4:20 on the dot and i was walking instead of partaking =)
[03:47] <tretle> bothe the compat headers and dev version of qt3-mt do not help
[03:47] <racecar56> O_o works for me
[03:48] <mbeierl> anyone here know if there's anything new in jaunty that can help me with umts/hsdpa/hsupa cell modems?
[03:48] <shavlir> kindofabuzz: if you arent looking closely, the red logo on the back of your shirt makes it look like you have an uber pony tail
[03:48] <tretle> racecar56 - are you talking about the problem I am having?
[03:49] <mbeierl> My only external indicator on the modem indicates I'm getting hsupa connectivity, but only umts speeds...
[03:49] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, lol sure does
[03:49] <racecar56> tretle yes
[03:49] <tretle> are you using kde?
[03:49] <racecar56> no
[03:49] <racecar56> gnomoe
[03:49] <racecar56> *gnome
[03:50] <tretle> but you have successfully gotten to the make stage with that code?
[03:50] <racecar56> not that exact code, i havent tried
[03:50] <racecar56> but others seem to work fine with it
[03:50] <crdlb> tretle: pastebin the config.log
[03:51] <racecar56> good idea
[03:52] <racecar56> should i upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 or should i wait until it comes to stable?
[03:53] <tretle> http://pastebin.com/m58c132bb
[03:53] <tretle> racecar56 - it is stable
[03:53] <racecar56> tretle stable as in release
[03:54] <tretle> only problem I have run into in weeks is trying to compile code which is untouched since 2003 :D lol
[03:54] <racecar56> lold
[03:56] <jtholmes> racecar56, if you have any of the video types having problems then i would wait
[03:56] <racecar56> jtholmes, if you mean with video cards, then if there isn't a fglrx then ill wait
[03:56] <crdlb> ugh, this buildsystem looks a little bad
[03:57] <jtholmes> racecar56, i wouldnt know about fglrx i was referring to the talk on this channel the last two hours :)
[03:57] <crdlb> there is a fglrx, but only for r600+
[03:57] <crdlb> (and that's not going to change)
[03:58] <tretle> crdlib - its from 2003 :D lolz, Though I want to see how it runs and use it as
[03:58] <tretle> a base for experimentation
[03:58] <tretle> remove stupid dependencies and rewrite it
[03:59] <tretle> a game depending on qt is pretty weird
[03:59] <crdlb> heh, it is old, they consider 20 MB to be big :)
[03:59] <racecar56> lol
[03:59] <tretle> I know, I actually laughed out loud when I read that :D
[03:59] <racecar56> that IS quite a few 3.5" floppys
[03:59] <racecar56> even high density
[04:00] <racecar56> i once saw a download for 10mb to be big..
[04:00] <racecar56> dont remember year though
[04:00] <crdlb> and 34 seconds later, I have it
[04:00] <racecar56> lol
[04:00] <racecar56> i waited forever for something that is 30 mb ._. firefox is so slow
[04:01] <tretle> Its the only engine for procedurally generating planets available licenced under the gpl though, the only other open source equivalent was one which was under the mit licence and i don't like that licence
[04:01] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, what does FF have to do with your d/l speed?
[04:01] <crdlb> tretle: ...
[04:01] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, in the 8 KB/s
[04:02] <yoasif>  whats wrong with the mit license?
[04:02] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, O_O
[04:02] <crdlb> you realize the MIT/X11 license is just extremely permissive, so you can just use the GPL for your modifications?
[04:02] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, that's either the server or your connection, not the browser
[04:02] <tretle> well, to put it another way every other open implementation is only partially open, developers want you to write code but they also want to sell your code
[04:02] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, tried wget and it was in the mb/s
[04:02] <tretle> once the project matures
[04:03]  * kindofabuzz shrugs
[04:03] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, if anything is worse than wget its horrible
[04:03] <faileas> lol
[04:03] <faileas> wget is actually pretty fast
[04:03] <crdlb> tretle: so don't contribute under that license
[04:03] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ff isn't your only choice you know
[04:03] <faileas> granted there's faster things
[04:03] <mbeierl1> no 3g modem users here?
[04:03] <racecar56> no
[04:03] <racecar56> im using cable
[04:04] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, im not dumb enough to not know that... if i was i would have been using IE on windows all my life
[04:05] <faileas> racecar56: i tend to copy the download link and use axel or wget for most part ;p
[04:05] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, what's IE and windows?
[04:05] <kindofabuzz> =)
[04:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, ._.
[04:05] <faileas> lol
[04:05] <racecar56> faileas, i do too, but all the losers these days use javascript to download
[04:05] <faileas> i don't use IE even on windows ;p
[04:06] <racecar56> i _HATE_ ie
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> I haven't even been on a windows box in like 2 years
[04:06] <racecar56> and i don't like windows one bit
[04:06] <kindofabuzz> i'd probably feel retarded on one.
[04:06] <racecar56> sadly i still have to use it because all these buttheads wont make linux stuff
[04:06] <crdlb> wow, people in #ubuntu+1 dislike IE and Windows?
[04:06]  * crdlb is shocked
[04:07] <kindofabuzz> crdlb, i don't dislike them, just like other things =)
[04:07] <racecar56> i HATE IE but i dont hate windows, but i dont like it either
[04:07] <racecar56> but i don't trust micro$oft at all, i only use window$ because i have to in some cases
[04:07] <racecar56> i dualboot
[04:07] <genii> The "windows apathy" syndrome
[04:08] <yoasif> crdlb: haha
[04:08] <racecar56> genii btw the server project is stuck as molasses
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> i have absolutly no need to run windows
[04:09] <racecar56> i wish i could get my server to run ubuntu
[04:09] <racecar56> i have to use it because MANY things i need use it
[04:09]  * tretle used to dual boot years ago but just got rid of it one day and every now and then when I am forced to help friends on their machines I am amazed with how horrible it is to use, networking, erratic file transfer estimations, anti virus software wasting resources, etc
[04:09] <racecar56> and the buttheads won't make linux versions, and it lags wine
[04:09] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, like what?
[04:10] <DanaG> racecar56: what's worse is mod_rewrite... so if you try to wget a file... you get an html file.
[04:10] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, screen capture, as i make movies, and all the linux ones that i know suck
[04:10] <faileas> lol
[04:10] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ahh ok. lemme see some of your work
[04:10] <shavlir> does anyone know what video drivers the "safe" live cd uses? those seem to work for me, while the normal stall hangs
[04:10] <faileas> tretle: i actually don't mind windows. Its os x that annoys me
[04:10] <tretle> one thing I actually like from microsoft is the new office though
[04:10] <shavlir> "safe graphics mode" that is'
[04:10] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, youtube
[04:10] <crdlb> shavlir: vesa, I guess
[04:10] <faileas> racecar56: you could run ubuntu, and run a windows VM in it
[04:11] <yoasif> racecar56: why not try debian/bsd
[04:11] <racecar56> faileas, i do that
[04:11] <racecar56> faileas, its just some things dont work in vm
[04:11] <shavlir> crdlb: how do I force those after install?
[04:11] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, umm youtube is huge. am i supposed to guess which ones are yours?
[04:11] <racecar56> yoasif, i do use debian and bsd
[04:11] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, racecar564
[04:11] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, not _ALL_ of them are recorded though, but most are
[04:11] <crdlb> shavlir: you can put Driver "vesa" in Section "Device" of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:12] <shavlir> except xorg.conf is blank
[04:12] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, virtualbox ms-dos is one, i made it a while ago, and i dont use vista anymore
[04:12] <crdlb> shavlir: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:12] <racecar56> what does the -phigh do?
[04:12] <tretle> crdlib did u look at the config log?
[04:13] <faileas> racecar56: unless its a game? i doubt, and why would anyone be gaming on a server ;)
[04:13] <racecar56> faileas, some are games, and i can run them somewhat in vm, just i cant host server
[04:13] <crdlb> racecar56: only asks high-priority questions, which seems to be none these days
[04:14] <racecar56> crdlb, ?
[04:14]  * tretle suspects once onlive hits so will microsofts desktop marketshare
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, found my stuff yet?
[04:14] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, yeah
[04:14] <racecar56> notice: windows live backwards is evil
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, kk
[04:14] <crdlb> tretle: my suggestion would be to use the MIT-licenced one ;>
[04:14] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, whaddya say
[04:15] <jtholmes> shavlir, i think you can also boot with  vga=vesa  as a kernel parameter
[04:15] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, haven't seen anything really that'd i'd be interested in watching. no offense lol
[04:15] <DanaG> evil swodniw?
[04:15] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, k, thats fine
[04:15] <racecar56> DanaG, lold
[04:15] <racecar56> DanaG, swodniw = lolwut
[04:15] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, about to watch your cars gone wild
[04:16] <faileas> tretle: the technology might take a few years. you need a 5 mbps internet line for that ;)
[04:16] <jtholmes> shavlir, dont mess with xorg.conf unless you know what you are doing it is now mostly dynamic
[04:16] <kindofabuzz> well your My first Cars game movie
[04:16] <racecar56> kk
[04:16] <DanaG> speaking of "windows live" backwards.... you get "evil swodniw"
[04:16] <racecar56> that one is over a year old
[04:16] <DanaG> =þ
[04:18] <shavlir> jtholmes: so if I specify Driver "vesa" it wont work?
[04:18] <crdlb> it will work
[04:18] <tretle> wonder whether onlive will be on ubuntu too
[04:19] <jtholmes> shavlir, specify vesa where?
[04:19] <shavlir> in xorg.conf
[04:19] <shavlir> i suppose I could try the kernel param
[04:19] <crdlb> that's not related to X
[04:19] <jtholmes> shavlir, it will work but you have to know the syntax of xorg.conf
[04:19] <DanaG> heh, remember my decapitated laptop?   Oddly enough, vesa does not work on it!
[04:19] <racecar56> from #ubuntu: "racecar56: STILL going CrAzY without the dumb FGLRX, i wish it would work!"
[04:19] <DanaG> Does not work... as in... won't start at all.
[04:19] <racecar56> it wont install right O.o
[04:20] <racecar56> it says installing for a millisecond and stops
[04:20] <crdlb> racecar56: consider it a feature
[04:20] <jtholmes> shavlir, do you know how to edit grub menu when booting
[04:20] <crdlb> shavlir: did you run the dpkg-reconfigure command?
[04:20] <shavlir> I did run the reconfigure, but it didnt help
[04:20] <shavlir> same hang
[04:20] <shavlir> I do know how to edit grub menu
[04:21] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, whaddya say
[04:21] <shavlir> I'll keep trying random stuff
[04:21] <andresmh> so I am trying to revert to Xorg 2.4 following this instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 but I get E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4. Any ideas?
[04:21] <crdlb> shavlir: I didn't suggest it would fix the hang
[04:21] <crdlb> shavlir: but it _did_ give you a non-blank xorg.conf
[04:21] <jtholmes> shavlir,  then add  vga=vesa to the kernel line and see if things work
[04:21] <crdlb> that won't affect X
[04:22] <crdlb> X does its own modesetting for now (pre-KMS)
[04:22] <racecar56> !ati
[04:23] <robin0800> mbeierl1: Yes I'm using a usb stick 3g modem
[04:23] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, just another capture of a gme. why are you playing kids games? =)
[04:23] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i have NO EARTHLY clue
[04:23] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i make these clips from boredom
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i used to be a big gamer, until i discovered Linux, plenty of things to do in linux (the geek factor)
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> t...o keep busy
[04:24] <kindofabuzz> ...to*
[04:24] <shavlir> crdlb: jotholmes: yay! no more hangs if I specify Driver vesa in xorg.conf
[04:24] <shavlir> I'll put off fglrx to another day :-)
[04:24] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i want to make more vids that need screen capture, but all the linux video recorders _S_U_C_K_
[04:25] <andresmh> so I am trying to revert to Xorg 2.4 following this instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReinhardTartler/X/RevertingIntelDriverTo2.4 but I get E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg-video-intel-2.4. Any ideas?
[04:25] <Lasivian> anyone else having a problem with khubd using 100% cpu?
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, so all i can make is all this
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, wine them =)
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, you SURE it's gonna work?
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, recordmydesktop doesn't cut it?
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i'd imagine it's impossible
[04:25] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, oh boy does it suck
[04:25] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, no, but won't hurt to try
[04:26] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it lags, it uses a uncommon format
[04:26] <jtholmes> shavlir, excellent so the driver being loaded has problems with your hardware or it has a bug
[04:26] <kindofabuzz> uncommon format? huh?
[04:26] <jtholmes> shavlir, do you know about ubuntu-bug  for reporting bugs
[04:26] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, it helps to turn compiz off with RMDT
[04:27] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, i dont have compiz running, i have 0 desktop effects
[04:27] <Lasivian> hrrm, ksoftirqd is taking the other cpu as well
[04:27] <Lasivian> not good
[04:27] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it makes things flicker
[04:27] <faileas> hmm
[04:27] <faileas> anyone remember what that yakuake style programme that was gtk based was called?
[04:27] <crdlb> tilda
[04:28] <shavlir> jtholmes: I do not know about ubuntu-bug. shoudl I report this?
[04:28] <faileas> thanks
[04:28] <Lasivian> anyone know how I can restart khubd?
[04:28]  * faileas is still working on wolfbane
[04:28] <faileas> er..
[04:28] <jtholmes> shavlir, yes
[04:28] <faileas> my jaunty/xfce bows ;p
[04:28] <faileas> box
[04:29] <jtholmes> shavlir, but you have to know what driver is loading for your video when not using vesa do you know how to do that
[04:29] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, oh and a reminder for you: i dont use the things that i record all the time...
[04:29] <jtholmes> shavlir, using  lspci -vvv  etc.
[04:29] <shavlir> right
[04:30] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, the stuff i make in movies aren't used hardly
[04:30] <shavlir> I'll do it tomorrow
[04:30] <jtholmes> shavlir, ok then lsmod  etc and put all that info in one file and then run ubuntu-bug and it will walk u thru it  then attach the  file containing all the info you gathered to the but
[04:30] <jtholmes> but=bug
[04:30] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, that and i use windows cause nobody made a linux version of windows movie maker
[04:30] <shavlir> kindofabuzz: I'm curious, since you have the same gfx card as me, what happens when you try the livecd
[04:31] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, there are all kinds of linux things much better than windows movie maker i believe
[04:31] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, how do you know what card i have?
[04:31] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, like...?
[04:31] <shavlir> because you told me you had an hd2400
[04:31] <racecar56> and i do too
[04:31] <racecar56> same exact card
[04:32] <shavlir> short term memory ftw :-)
[04:32] <Lasivian> I guess rebooting is the only way eh?
[04:32] <kindofabuzz> shavlir, i never said that
[04:33] <racecar56> i will try to restart...
[04:33] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, avidemux
[04:33] <kindofabuzz> !avidemux
[04:33] <shavlir> crap, it was racecar56
[04:34] <shavlir> not kindofabuzz
[04:34] <jtholmes> ah so racecar56 is the problem  :)
[04:34] <jtholmes> shavlir, anyhow you know what is going on so please try and report it
[04:35] <kindofabuzz> what happened?
[04:35] <shavlir> jtholmes: will do
[04:35] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, that's not windows movie maker-like thats an EDITOR....
[04:36] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, it can't even save (for me)!
[04:36] <racecar56> O_o
[04:36] <kindofabuzz> it can't save? what?
[04:37] <kindofabuzz> whatso WMM isn't an editor? then what is it then?
[04:37] <racecar56> OH NOES i installed the FGLRX and it STILL lags like a mitsumi reading an ubuntu live cd!
[04:37] <Lasivian> wonder if this is related to me trying a brand new kernel
[04:37] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, windows movie MAKER
[04:37] <kindofabuzz> so what does that mean?
[04:37] <Stupendoussteve> racecar56: Have you ever opened WMM?
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i have used it bazillions of times, yes
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, dosen't it MAKE movies?
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> No
[04:38] <kindofabuzz> so it's makes the movies? i don't get it? another program for lazy windows users?
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> A camera does
[04:38] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, you can edit movies but only movies you made with IT
[04:38] <racecar56> -_-
[04:38] <Stupendoussteve> That makes no sense
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, there's avidemus, cinelerra, kino, and a few more
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> It encodes the files
[04:39] <racecar56> you put together pics & movies...
[04:39] <racecar56> and smushes them into 1
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> any editor does that
[04:39] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, thats what they all say
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> ummm that's what you do with an editor
[04:39] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, and they ALL suck.
[04:39] <kindofabuzz> you haven't even tried them
[04:39] <racecar56> yes i have
[04:39] <Stupendoussteve> Obviously an editor edits movies, it doesn't make them :D
[04:40] <Stupendoussteve> iMovie is somehow magical in that it does both
[04:40] <racecar56> avidemux edits movies, you change how 1 file is...
[04:40] <racecar56> is NOT what im looking for
[04:40] <kindofabuzz> i don't see a product called windows movie maker being better than something like avidemux
[04:40] <racecar56> avidemux edits movies
[04:40] <racecar56> you edit 1 file
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> you edit movies clips to make a movie
[04:41] <racecar56> cinelerra is a fork bomb
[04:41] <racecar56> for me
[04:41] <racecar56> don't even know how to use it
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> well learn?
[04:41] <racecar56> -.- it lags
[04:41] <kindofabuzz> i bet you can do much more with it than WMM
[04:42] <racecar56> im pretty sure i could, but im not advanced
[04:42] <Stupendoussteve> racecar56: Seen kdenlive?
[04:42] <Stupendoussteve> It's a nonlinear editor, kind of like WMM is
[04:42] <kindofabuzz> ahh hence the windows movie maker rocks!
[04:42] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i have heard of it, but never launched it
[04:42] <racecar56> Stupendoussteve, i happen to have it installed
[04:42] <kindofabuzz> Kino too
[04:42] <racecar56> ......maybe i should peek at kino again
[04:42] <faileas> lol
[04:43] <Stupendoussteve> Nonlinear editor doesn't make movies. Duh. :P
[04:43] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, you're on linux, don't be afraid to learn something. =)
[04:43] <Stupendoussteve> To be fair, avidemux is a video file editor
[04:43] <racecar56> kdenlive is just like cinerella, makes me crash like i just did
[04:43] <racecar56> DOH
[04:43] <racecar56> misspell
[04:44] <Stupendoussteve> Interesting
[04:44] <racecar56> i crashed
[04:44] <racecar56> *cinelerra
[04:44] <racecar56> my stupid "So and so has crashed" that comes every time i start comp just bugged me
[04:44] <Stupendoussteve> It might be worth figuring out why all these programs crash, or sending a bug report
[04:44] <racecar56> uhm..
[04:44] <racecar56> ok
[04:45] <racecar56> take 2... ill try kdenlive again
[04:45] <racecar56> not this time
[04:47] <racecar56> brb
[04:58] <racecar56> back
[04:58] <racecar56> step 2: find a decent recording software
[04:58] <TheFunkbomb> So, how do you guys like Jaunty so far?
[04:58] <racecar56> i like it
[04:59] <racecar56> i use it in a vm
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> I see
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> How does it compare to 8.10?
[04:59] <danbhfive> big better badder newer
[04:59] <racecar56> new themes... better gnome
[04:59] <TheFunkbomb> how stable?
[04:59] <racecar56> i like 2.26 better
[04:59] <racecar56> i find it pretty reliable
[04:59] <kindofabuzz> stable
[05:00] <racecar56> i say it's pretty good for a release
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> very interesting.
[05:00] <zhurai> of course, cause it's 2 more (or 1 more depending on where you are) day till it is released
[05:00] <racecar56> i say it was worth releasing on rc
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> Right
[05:00] <racecar56> xD
[05:00] <racecar56> rc was cool enought
[05:00] <racecar56> *enough
[05:00] <TheFunkbomb> How did you guys update?  Clean install or update?
[05:00] <zhurai> I dled the RC and installed it on my laptop
[05:00] <zhurai> clean
[05:00] <racecar56> clean install obviousle
[05:00] <racecar56> *obviously
[05:00] <racecar56> because i installed to vm
[05:01] <TheFunkbomb> right, right
[05:01] <zhurai> mostly, for me cause I moved all the shit to another area (windows partition).
[05:01] <TheFunkbomb> perhaps, I will ghost 8.10 to my external
[05:01] <racecar56> how the heck....
[05:01] <zhurai> as well as for me (laptop uses ath5k) might as well just do a clean install just in case if it doesn't like the ath5k build I already had installed
[05:02] <TheFunkbomb> and then try a fresh install of 9.04
[05:02] <racecar56> what screen capture software is the best? i'd mostly like xvidcap that worked
[05:02] <TheFunkbomb> I don't like istanbul
[05:02] <zhurai> me neither
[05:02] <racecar56> its CRASHY
[05:02] <zhurai> it didn't tape my video correctly
[05:03] <racecar56> is there such thing as a xvidcap that works?
[05:03] <zhurai> no idea
[05:03] <zhurai> never tested it
[05:03] <racecar56> xvidcap is horrible
[05:03] <zhurai> I just then went into windows partition and then taped using fraps afterwards O_o'
[05:03] <dotblank3> racecar56: gtk record my desktop
[05:03] <racecar56> i click record and it freezes, can't stop it.. and it isn't even recording
[05:03] <zhurai> then again, I'd wish there was an alternative to all the windows shit, so I can nuke the windows already o/
[05:03] <racecar56> dotblank3, sucks
[05:04] <TheFunkbomb> I swear to God, if those people don't stop turning off the desktop computer at night, I'm going to break their faces.  Now I have to walk all the way downstairs to boot it.
[05:04] <racecar56> zhurai, im with you
[05:04] <TheFunkbomb> oops wrong chan.  sorry
[05:04] <zhurai> hmm...
[05:04] <racecar56> lold
[05:04] <dotblank3> racecar56: nah its ok, it just doesn't seem to handle certan apps well though
[05:04] <racecar56> dotblank3, i dont like it, it lags baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
[05:04] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: You should look up WoL
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> WoL?
[05:05] <dotblank3> racecar56: better computer?
[05:05] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, sounds like you need better ram and a better vid card
[05:05] <racecar56> world of laughter?
[05:05] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: Wake on Lan
[05:05] <racecar56> ha ha
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> Is that like WoW and LOL?
[05:05] <racecar56> XD
[05:05] <racecar56> world of laughter?
[05:05] <racecar56> dotblank3, i have a computer from 2007...
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, it's an XP machine
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> and they turn it off at night
[05:05] <dotblank3> racecar56: that doesn't mean anything
[05:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, anything wrong with a computer from 2007?
[05:05] <TheFunkbomb> I can't remote connect and run updates if it's off
[05:05] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: its supported in most bioses
[05:05] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, 2gb mem, 4 core
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, 2gb mem, 4 core
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, anything wrong?
[05:06] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, but does it work if the whole system is off?
[05:06] <dotblank3> racecar56: harddrive is huge when doing screen cap
[05:06] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: yes
[05:06] <racecar56> dotblank3, 500gb
[05:06] <DanaG> oh yeah, you have to tweak things a bit to get ubuntu not to take the damned interface down on suspend.
[05:06] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: You may notice that ethernet ports light up despite being off
[05:06] <TheFunkbomb> Maybe I'll just break their faces anyway
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, roughly 247 gb free...
[05:07] <dotblank3> racecar56: space is irrelevant its all about speed
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, my windows partition is only like 55 gb, and... quad core, i said that
[05:07] <racecar56> dotblank3, would a quad core help?
[05:08] <dotblank3> racecar56: Speed of your hardrive.. read write throughput
[05:08] <racecar56> dotblank3, sata
[05:08] <dotblank3> racecar56: still not enough data
[05:08] <DanaG> heh, my school (Cal Poly) talks about sustainability... and then leaves at least 1000 P4-based computers on all night, every night.
[05:08] <racecar56> dotblank3, what would work?
[05:08] <dotblank3> copy a large file somewhere on your drive. how fast does it transfer
[05:08] <racecar56> ummm........
[05:08] <DanaG> Some Intel NICs support wake-on-LAN from poweroff.
[05:08] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, you ssaid that compiz is weird on your system too, i have compiz running on an old 1.5Ghz and have no problems, something is wrong with your system somewhere then
[05:09] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, no, its drivers that fail
[05:09] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, if i run compiz any 3d thing flickers
[05:09] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, ahh, well i use legacy drivers
[05:09] <dotblank3> DanaG: TheFunkbomb: any bios dated year 2000 and greater have WoL its almost mandatory
[05:09] <kindofabuzz> old card
[05:09] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, and that comes stock?
[05:09] <TheFunkbomb> in the bios?
[05:09] <racecar56> radeon 2400 hd?
[05:10] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: if its a nic built into the mobo then it will work.. if its a pci nic then you have to sometimes use a WoL cable
[05:10] <TheFunkbomb> ugh
[05:10] <TheFunkbomb> I'll just tell her to leave the computer on
[05:10] <racecar56> my nic in the mobo just in case u didnt know
[05:10] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: most of the time it just works though
[05:10] <racecar56> my video card isn't in mobo
[05:10] <racecar56> i have no idea what is in my mobo...
[05:11] <dotblank3> racecar56: we need a benchmark... how fast does your drive copy files?
[05:11] <loquitus_of_bor1> How do I play DVD's in Jaunty?
[05:11] <TheFunkbomb> I'm installing it.  We shall see
[05:11] <kindofabuzz> !dvd
[05:11] <racecar56> so... back to xvidcap, what's wrong?
[05:12] <loquitus_of_bor1> kindofabuzz: what about DVD's in 9.04?
[05:12] <dotblank3> racecar56: try disabling compiz and then run gtk-record-my-desktop
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, i haven't a big file
[05:12] <kindofabuzz> loquitus_of_bor1, it will be the same
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, and i DONT have compiz
[05:12] <loquitus_of_bor1> kindofabuzz: thanks
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, i dont even have my drivers
[05:12] <racecar56> dotblank3, for vid card
[05:12] <dotblank3> racecar56: well theres your problem
[05:13] <racecar56> dotblank3, they refuse to install
[05:13] <TheFunkbomb> it won't work, probably because she turned the power strip off

[05:13] <dotblank3> racecar56: this isnt a recording program issue its a driver issue
[05:13] <racecar56> dotblank3, kk (mumbles yet my laptop dosen't work with this either and it has all of the drivers in the world it needs)
[05:14] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: LoL, but also note that WoL has to be turned on in the bios (potential security threat is why by deafult its off)
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> right
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> I'll just make her leave the computer on.
[05:14] <DanaG> Some NICs also need you to boot Windows and set it from there.
[05:14] <dotblank3> DanaG: What a horrible nic
[05:14] <DanaG> TheFunkbomb: what sort of integrated NIC does it have?
[05:14] <DanaG> I don't have such a card that needs that.
[05:14] <TheFunkbomb> I have no idea
[05:15] <DanaG> lspci -nn can tell you.
[05:15] <racecar56> ahhhhh still dosen't work
[05:15] <racecar56> oh btw anyone want my lspci? ill pastebin it
[05:15] <TheFunkbomb> The whole reason it's set up for remote desktop is because she's too lazy to run windows update and the virus scan
[05:15] <TheFunkbomb> so I do them at like 12am
[05:15] <dotblank3> When I first used WoL I remote turned on about 10 servers in a a garage.. it was very cool...
[05:16] <DanaG> One thing that sounds fun: wake a machine, and then play audio from it.
[05:16] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: use ubuntu and auto-install updates
[05:16] <DanaG> Bonus points if you play mic audio through it -- from a mic on your end.
[05:16] <TheFunkbomb> dotblank3, she won't use Ubuntu.  I tried
[05:16] <manpoole> why the move to diable ctrl alt backspace?
[05:17] <TheFunkbomb> Also, here is another lol part.  She doesn't like me remote desktoping because she doesn't want me to see what she's doing.
[05:17] <dotblank3> DanaG: this one computer had really bright LEDs and at night would light up the room. WoL was complete awesome with that.. it would scare ppl
[05:17] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f76e2ec6a lspci
[05:17] <zhurai>  <manpoole> why the move to diable ctrl alt backspace? <-- it says in the release notes....
[05:17] <TheFunkbomb> I should also mention that I know all her passwords because I set the computer up
[05:18] <zhurai> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled by default in Xorg
[05:18] <zhurai> The Ctrl-Alt-Backspace key combination to force a restart of X is now disabled by default, to eliminate the problem of accidentally triggering the key combination. Users who do want this function can enable it in their xorg.conf, or by running the command dontzap --disable.
[05:18] <zhurai> @manpoole: there you go
[05:18] <Jordan_U> DanaG, More fun is to use a voice synthesizer while someone is using the computer, at first giving generic sounding error messages then slowly responding more and more humanly to what the person is doing to freak them out :)
[05:18] <racecar56> it helps me alot because all of these programs are running bad because of stupid jockey-gtk that refuses to install _ANY_ driver
[05:19] <manpoole> its hard to believe that could accidentally be hit
[05:19] <racecar56> yeah]
[05:19] <zhurai> *shrug*
[05:19] <zhurai> just do that command then o/
[05:19] <kindofabuzz> when XP first came out i didn't know about the voice recognition feature and it was on. i kept on getting weird things being typed into any text box. i thought i was being hacked, it was just XP listening to me because mic was on
[05:19] <manpoole> heh
[05:19] <zhurai> kindofabuzz: LOL
[05:19] <racecar56> ok
[05:20] <racecar56> i have my lspci a few lines up
[05:20] <racecar56> if anyone wants it
[05:20] <dotblank3> TheFunkbomb: I would suggest running a headless session over vnc yet i keep forgetting about windows limits and cost (terminal server is the only thing that can really do that)
[05:20]  * zhurai isn't in his linux partition(s) right now anyways
[05:20] <DanaG> ah: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[05:20] <racecar56> what
[05:20] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i need the contents of your ~/.ssh too, problem may be there.
[05:20] <kindofabuzz> =)
[05:20] <TheFunkbomb> Or... I could just let the machine crash and burn
[05:21] <TheFunkbomb> works for me!
[05:21] <DanaG> google for rtl8111 wol
[05:21] <DanaG> or rtl8168b wol
[05:21] <DanaG> and the word "linux"
[05:22] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, all that is in there is known_hosts, want that?
[05:22] <kindofabuzz> racecar56, i was kidding man
[05:22] <racecar56> kindofabuzz, ummmmmm................................................................................................. ok
[05:24] <racecar56> DanaG, specific links?
[05:24] <Cameron> I am running jaunty, and I have desktop effects enabled for one user account, but when I switch to another user account, desktop effects isn't enabled.  When I enabled it via apperance preferences, it says "desktop effects cannot be enabled"
[05:25] <DanaG> I'[m doing homeverk, so I can't be digging around in specific links.  :(
[05:25] <DanaG> Wait, is the computer a Windows one or a Linux one?
[05:25] <zhurai> ....
[05:25] <DanaG> It's easy to do in Windows -- look in device manager.
[05:25] <zhurai> \o
[05:25] <racecar56> DanaG, both
[05:25] <dotblank3> Cameron: whoa weird...
[05:25] <zhurai> DanaG:who are you talking to...
[05:25] <racecar56> DanaG, i dualboot
[05:25] <DanaG> racecar56.
[05:25] <zhurai> oh
[05:25] <DanaG> The one that needs waking, I mean.
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, want me to go into window$?
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, check in Linux first.
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, im in it now
[05:26] <racecar56> DanaG, so do what
[05:26] <DanaG> ethtool is one thing to try.  man ethtool.
[05:26] <racecar56> "The program 'ethtool' is currently not installed." so i install it....
[05:27] <racecar56> done
[05:27] <dotblank3> racecar56: wait.. what is your problem again?
[05:28] <racecar56> DanaG, xvidcap freezes after starting to record, and jockey-gtk refuses to install fglrx
[05:29] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f3a246811 is the return of 'ethtool eth0'
[05:30] <Jordan_U> racecar56, Refuses in what way?
[05:30] <racecar56> Jordan_U, it says "Installing driver..." for a millisecond and then dissapears
[05:30] <Cameron> dotblank3: yeah.. and if I logo out of the first user, and login as the second user (so only 1 user is logged in) it will then allow me to enabled desktop effects !
[05:30] <DanaG> racecar56: try it on command line.
[05:31] <racecar56> dotblank3, xvidcap freezes after starting to record, and jockey-gtk refuses to install fglrx
[05:31] <DanaG> the driver install.
[05:31] <racecar56> i did
[05:31] <DanaG> odd... the official 9.4 one doesn't work?
[05:31] <racecar56> i tried gtk and cmd
[05:31] <DanaG> do it the --buildpkg way.
[05:31] <racecar56> ack the official 9.x SUCK
[05:31] <DanaG> That way it gives debs.
[05:31] <racecar56> they make 3d flicker (on windows)
[05:31] <racecar56> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cool
[05:31] <racecar56> never known that
[05:31] <Cameron> dotblank3: and then if I switch back to the other user, their desktop effects is disabled.. so, its like only one user can have it enabled at a time
[05:32] <racecar56> DanaG, WARNING: Official ATI drivers ALWAYS kill my Ubuntu.
[05:32] <Tokenekie> Hi, I have a question about the usb-creator package. It might be a bug. It does NOT involve initramfs/busybox
[05:32] <DanaG> define "kill"
[05:32] <racecar56> DanaG, they make my computer unaccessible (places > computer) fails
[05:33] <DanaG> Odd... I see no reason for it to do that.
[05:33] <DanaG> You always do --buildpkg way, not the bare install, right?
[05:33] <racecar56> NO.
[05:33] <racecar56> this was long ago
[05:33] <crdlb> no need to yell
[05:34] <racecar56> "DanaG: do it the --buildpkg way." "racecar56: never known that"
[05:34] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me with a possible bug regarding the usb-creator package?
[05:34] <DanaG> ah.
[05:34] <racecar56> Tokenekie, what is it
[05:35] <racecar56> restarting X so i can see if i finally fixed my vid card's drivers
[05:36] <Salajadin> hi all
[05:36] <Salajadin> im new here
[05:36] <racecar56> hi
[05:36] <Salajadin> new to irc
[05:37] <Tokenekie> racecar56: I have a 4GB usb drive (FAT 32) and when I adjust the slider for persistence all the way to the left, the usb-creator will not create any persistence filespace
[05:37] <racecar56> i was new 3 months ago... never was interested until then
[05:37] <Tokenekie> racecar56: However, if I allocate less that 1.2 GB of space, usb-creator successfully creates the persistence filespace
[05:37] <Salajadin> i installed jaunty 2weeks ago the not sofinal version
[05:37] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: this is by design
[05:38] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f2c4e7bdf ummmmmmm.... glxgears ODD outpud
[05:38] <racecar56> *output
[05:38] <Salajadin> what are persistence filespaces for?
[05:38] <racecar56> Tokenekie, weird
[05:38] <racecar56> Salajadin, so you wont lose data
[05:38] <Salajadin> hmm
[05:38] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Would it make sense to make this a new feature? Especially for usb drives capable of storing much more data?
[05:38] <racecar56> Salajadin, if you download (etc) during live cd
[05:38] <Salajadin> so is it like a cache
[05:38] <racecar56> i have a 4GB also
[05:38] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Why would it be by design anyway?
[05:38] <racecar56> but its a ext2
[05:38] <Salajadin> it is not a filesystem?
[05:39] <DanaG> racecar56: hmm, maybe some opengl libs are not diverted properly?
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, and check the xorg log.
[05:39] <Salajadin> hmmm i think its more of like a swap forusb?
[05:39] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: Persistent data is support by that utility..
[05:39] <racecar56> DanaG, the heck? wheres xorg log...
[05:39] <DanaG> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:39] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: if you move all the way to the left that means 0 bytes can be used for modified data
[05:40] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: it would be beter to just use discard on shutdown
[05:40] <DanaG> If you plan to make a persistent liveusb... why not just make an installed system?
[05:41] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Well if that was the case, then I should be able to allocate, say, 2GB for persistence (out of a 4GB drive)
[05:41] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: But I cant even do that
[05:41] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: you should be able too....
[05:41] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Compression
[05:41] <DanaG> ah.
[05:41] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: will the slider not move?
[05:41] <racecar56> xorg log looks bad
[05:41] <DanaG> Does it save changes just to home, or to all?
[05:42] <DanaG> And does it have that stupid persistent-net-generator that makes me end up with eth16 if I move a drive around a lot?
[05:42] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: Nope. The program loads the ISO files, then right when it starts to make the persistence filesystem it exits with a return status of 0
[05:42] <DanaG> 16 is an exaggeration... but I have seen udev rules for up to eth8.
[05:42] <Jordan_U> DanaG, All ( except some things like the kernel because the unionfs isn't mounted until after the kernel is loaded
[05:42] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: I then have effectively created a non-persistent, but working, live USB
[05:42] <robin0800_> Tokenekie: What format is the stick
[05:42] <dotblank3> Tokenekie: wierd.. do you have all filesystem tools... anyway this can be done manually..
[05:42] <DanaG> Jordan_U: ah, so I'd have to use a bare, anyway.
[05:43] <racecar56> ahh SHOOT i cant copy the xorg log because it lags on scrolling!
[05:43] <Tokenekie> robin0800_: It is formated in fat32
[05:43] <DanaG> !info pastebinit
[05:43] <DanaG> then pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <racecar56> k
[05:43] <Jordan_U> DanaG, A bare what?
[05:43] <MeI> hello everyone, got a problem with youtube playing my flash, i already have flash install with the newest version and youtube still prompts me to install flash
[05:43] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: I had a hard time following the online tutorial for setting up a persistent file system. I dont know if it was outdated or anything
[05:43] <DanaG> a bare install.
[05:43] <DanaG> no unionfs.
[05:44] <racecar56> yay
[05:44] <racecar56> http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f7a42d06c it is MILES long
[05:44] <Jordan_U> DanaG, What are you trying to do?
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, noscript
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, maybe
[05:44] <DanaG> I have an installed system that I like to usb-boot on various computers.
[05:44] <racecar56> MeI, if you dont have it, then what browser you using?
[05:45] <DanaG> Too bad nvidia binary driver breaks *.
[05:45] <Salajadin> is there a channel for pxe booting in ubuntu?
[05:45] <Tokenekie> Can anyone else verify that they have installed a persistent live USB with more than 2GB allocated to their persistent filesystem?
[05:45] <MeI> racecar56, i have flashplugin-nonfree installed, I am using firefox
[05:45] <racecar56> MeI, :/ swfdec might work better
[05:45] <Tokenekie> Talking about Jaunty
[05:46] <racecar56> DanaG, i posted link to xorg log, got it?
[05:46] <DanaG> oh.
[05:46] <MeI> racecar56, swfdec ? how do i find it?
[05:47] <racecar56> MeI, sudo apt-get install swfdec && sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[05:47] <DanaG> key:   (WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection
[05:47] <DanaG> Looks like fglrx isn't loaded.
[05:47] <racecar56> bah humbug
[05:47] <racecar56> weird
[05:47] <racecar56> uninstall + reinstall it? i dunno
[05:47] <MeI> racecar56, can find the package swfdec??? I just upgraded to Jaunty
[05:48] <DanaG> racecar56: check dmesg.
[05:48] <racecar56> MeI, dosent work?
[05:48] <DanaG> and check if 'radeon' is loaded.
[05:48] <MeI> racecar, no package found
[05:48] <DanaG> loaded == in lsmod
[05:48] <racecar56> DanaG, should i | tail it? or not
[05:48] <DanaG> or | less
[05:48] <Skapare> is there an RSYNC mirror with the RC isos?
[05:48] <racecar56> yeah
[05:49] <MeI> racecar56, i reinstalled flash and still no cookie
[05:50] <KyleK> I'm having a problem with Xorg, the keyboard/mouse aren't functional when Xorg is running
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, dang, ask someone else as im using intrepid, i might not be able to help
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, sorry
[05:50] <MeI> racecar, it is cool thanks :)
[05:50] <racecar56> MeI, k no problem
[05:50] <Tokenekie> dotblank3: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent tells me to create two partitions on my live USB. However, the way that the persistent usb I have that was created by usb-creator only have 1 partition according to fdisk -l. Is the package using the same method to create a persistent usb?
[05:51] <Tokenekie> Sorry about the grammar, messed up a bit there. I meant to say that my current live-usb only has 1 partition.
[05:51] <racecar56> DanaG, AHAHAHAHA, i found evidence
[05:52] <racecar56> DanaG, at least a clue
[05:52] <DanaG> whazzat?
[05:52] <racecar56> DanaG, wait as i catch it on printscreen
[05:52] <DanaG> you know, you can dmesg | less
[05:52] <racecar56> has nothing to do with dmesg
[05:53] <DanaG> is it in some log file somewhere?
[05:53] <racecar56> no
[05:53] <racecar56> apport
[05:53] <michasb> Hum, I find it silly that OpenLDAP in Jaunty uses cn=config without asking to set a cn=admin,cn=config password OR providing a means to update the configuration.
[05:53] <groensal> so, is this where the release party will be at?
[05:53] <michasb> Still trying to figure it out...
[05:53] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[05:54] <KyleK> hmm maybe i can run an older version of Xorg
[05:54] <racecar56> groensal, #ubuntu-release-party i think
[05:54] <groensal> racecar56: cool thanks :)
[05:54] <racecar56> groensal, kk
[05:55] <racecar56> DanaG, http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8627/linuxrestrictedmodulesf.jpg
[05:56] <DanaG> ah.
[05:56] <michasb> Progress: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenLdapCnConfigMigration
[05:56] <DanaG> Perhaps you need to boot a same kernel you have built the modules for.
[05:56] <DanaG> ... or something.
[05:56] <KyleK> aww is puc down?
[05:56] <racecar56> DanaG, ummm... huh?
[05:57] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[05:57] <DanaG> hmm, try running aptitude dist-upgrade in console, perhaps.
[05:57] <SandGorgon> what do you guys do to make firefox look good on Kubuntu 9.04 ?
[05:57] <maco> DanaG: usually how it works....if the module's not built for your running kernel, it won't load
[05:58] <maco> SandGorgon: set GTK to use GTK themes and not bother trying to make it do Qt emulation, because the tabs will just look wrong
[05:58] <DanaG> google for qgtkstyle\
[05:58] <DanaG> er, wait, that's the other way.
[05:58] <DanaG> maco:  But if a package has failed to update... you might have your system in an inconsistent state where headers != running version.
[05:59] <SandGorgon> maco: where do I set GTK to use GTK themes?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> SandGorgon, Might want to ask in #kubuntu but you can try the qt-gtk theme engine ( which is really fun because it's Firefox's XUL emulating your qtk theme which is in turn simply an emulation of your qt theme )
[05:59] <maco> SandGorgon: systemsettings -> appearance -> gtk styles & themes
[05:59] <hifi> when the release party starts exactly
[06:00] <maco> hifi: that depends on your city
[06:00] <hifi> lets say GMT
[06:00] <SandGorgon> I just want Firefox to look decent - that is the biggest problem with transitioning to KDE
[06:00] <maco> uh...so you want the Ubuntu UK LoCo's release party in London?
[06:01] <hifi> umm, the big release?
[06:01] <hifi> it supposedly in one day
[06:01]  * DanaG has to go get ready for bed.  10PM.
[06:01] <maco> oh you want to know what time the CD images come out?
[06:01] <DanaG> Class at 8am tomorrow => I get up at 6:15 or so.
[06:01] <hifi> yup
[06:01] <maco> the usual answer is: at some point while there is at least 1 timezone that still calls it Thursday
[06:02] <Tokenekie> Can anyone help me verify if a problem I have encountered with the usb-creator package is a bug, or a missing feature?
[06:02] <maco> the second half of the usual answer is: every time you ask, it's delayed by 2 hours
[06:02] <hifi> roger that :)
[06:03] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Depends, what is the bug / missing feature ?
[06:03] <hifi> I have never been here when its released so I was just curious
[06:04] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: I have a 4GB (fat32) usb drive and I wish to allocate the maximum amount of remaining data to persistency. However if I do that, usb-creator exits with a return status of 0 the moment it begins to write the persistent filesystem. This problem does NOT happen if I allocate 1.2GB or less to persistency
[06:04] <DanaG> hmm, try allocating 1.2 and resizing?
[06:04] <DanaG> maybe?
[06:05] <DanaG> if it's a partition, that is.
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: How do I resize
[06:05] <Tokenekie> oh
[06:05] <DanaG> Or is it a loop mount?
[06:05] <DanaG> I'm not sure how the persistence works.
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Sounds like a bug to me
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: No I dont believe it is a partition
[06:05] <DanaG> dang.
[06:05] <Tokenekie> DanaG: I am unsure myself really
[06:05] <DanaG> time to go off nowzzz.
[06:06] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Now that you mention it it should be a loop mount though, or at least that should be an option instead of a separate partition
[06:07] <Salajadin> i think its like a swap thing
[06:07] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Do you have any knowledge about the usb-creator bugs? There is an entry on launchpad talking about a similar issue but I cant verify if it is the same issue. I dont want to keep duplicating bugs.
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, Can you link to the bug report? I don't know much about usb-creator but I can probably tell you if it's a dupe
[06:08] <KyleK> hey im running jaunty but when I run the X server the keyboard stops responding
[06:10] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/346700, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/332485
[06:12] <KyleK> okay its a problem with Xorg
[06:12] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Just to reiterate, my usb-creator does not "fail". So link 2 might not be the same issue.
[06:13] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Instead usb-creator just doesnt even attempt to create the persistence. It exits with a status 0
[06:13] <Tokenekie> I hope someone else has these problems. Please mention if it has, therefore we know it is an actual bug, not just a problem with my particular instance.
[06:15] <manpoole> question what are some of the startup aps i can diable on a desktop?
[06:15] <racecar56> i am so tired of all these dumb slow scrolls
[06:15] <manpoole> for faster bootup
[06:15] <Salajadin> bluetooth
[06:15] <manpoole> did it
[06:15] <Salajadin> disable it
[06:16] <Salajadin> and visual assistance
[06:16] <manpoole> power manager is that only for laptops?
[06:16] <Salajadin> and remote desktop
[06:16] <manpoole> disabled those too
[06:16] <Salajadin> yep
[06:16] <PictureMan2k9> Is it possible to run the RC CDs LIVE?
[06:16] <manpoole> so i can disable power manager
[06:16] <PictureMan2k9> or are they install only?
[06:17] <manpoole> didnt know if that had anything to do with screen turning off
[06:17] <Salajadin> disable check for new hardware
[06:17] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: i think they do live
[06:17] <manpoole> i disabled powe manager
[06:17] <Salajadin> and nothing happened right?
[06:17] <manpoole> seahorse daemon what is that
[06:17] <manpoole> well i havent rebooted since disableing power manager
[06:18] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I don't see the Xubuntu version
[06:18] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: its well hidden *g*
[06:18] <faileas> one moment
[06:18] <Jordan_U> Tokenekie, It's not a duplicate, it may be caused by the same underlying bug but I would file it and let the developers figure that out, possibly mentioning that the other bug might be related
[06:18] <faileas> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/
[06:19] <Tokenekie> Jordan_U: Thanks, ill get on that
[06:19] <Salajadin> seahorse is used to manage encryption keys
[06:19] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: that will work
[06:19] <Salajadin> disable print queu if you dont have printer on
[06:19] <racecar56> ok so where is xorg log again?
[06:20] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I reckon http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/xubuntu-9.04-rc-alternate-i386.iso is what I want
[06:20] <Salajadin> and disable the evolution alarm
[06:20] <manpoole> salajadin any thing else to a faster boot?
[06:20] <Salajadin> wait imma give you a link
[06:20] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: no
[06:20] <Jordan_U> PictureMan2k9, The alternate CD is not live
[06:20] <faileas> alternate disks arn't live
[06:20] <PictureMan2k9> err
[06:20] <Salajadin> i use this whenever i optimize ubuntu
[06:20] <racecar56> nvm
[06:21] <manpoole> ohh... didnt disable print queue i have a printer but does that just keep the scheduled prints from the previous session?
[06:21] <Salajadin> it's sort of like my ubuntu checklist
[06:21] <Salajadin> yep
[06:21] <Salajadin> but
[06:21]  * faileas tends to prefer the 'mini' version over alternate anyway
[06:21] <Salajadin> you can disable it when you dont have anyprintjobs
[06:21] <DanaG> Easier to leave it enabled.
[06:21] <manpoole> sweetness
[06:21] <DanaG> Otherwise you have to predict when you'll want to print.
[06:21] <PictureMan2k9> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/rc/xubuntu-9.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso .
[06:21] <faileas> ya
[06:21] <faileas> that'll work
[06:22] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: I'm wanting to see if I have the same trouble as Intrepid would give me.  I'm guessing the Live version will work perfect, as Intrepid messed up Live too ?
[06:22] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: Or should I wait for the real release to test it
[06:22] <faileas> PictureMan2k9: its a live disk
[06:22] <faileas> what's the worst that could happen?
[06:23] <Salajadin> does your machine have two cores
[06:23] <Salajadin> manpoole
[06:23] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: It shoots beams out of my DVD+/-RW , and makes me praise the Sacred X-Men Cow
[06:23] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: or something
[06:23] <manpoole> yes?
[06:23] <racecar56> DanaG, pastebinned dmesg http://racecar56.pastebin.com/f4de5bfc2
[06:24] <faileas> or something
[06:24] <racecar56> shoot
[06:24] <faileas> actually, one previous release did have the tendancy to bork a certain common network card ;p
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: yeah anyway.  Intrepid doesn't work with my NIC, it makes it twinkle around and never gets an IP# (DHCP?)
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: The router light just flashes over and over, same thing with directly connecting to the modem
[06:24] <manpoole> ohhh yes two cores
[06:24] <Salajadin> ok
[06:24] <manpoole> didnt see that
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: i don't know that issue with Hardy
[06:24] <PictureMan2k9> don't have*
[06:25] <Salajadin> manpoole, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Optimize-Ubuntu-8-04-for-Speed-86405.shtml
[06:25] <Salajadin> i use this
[06:25] <Salajadin> it works on jaunty too
[06:25] <manpoole> my dell bios is crazy slow
[06:25] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: yet Intrepid works just fine on my old p2 450 MHz.  *shrugs*
[06:25] <manpoole> but im going to give it a try
[06:25] <faileas> lol
[06:26] <Salajadin> but if your not confident on using some of the fixes here don't dare use them
[06:26] <faileas> i have a PIII 450 ;p
[06:26] <Aleksey_S> hi all
[06:26] <faileas> its running as a server tho
[06:26] <manpoole> well did you use them and the work?
[06:26] <PictureMan2k9> faileas: My niece is using the old P2 now with XP
[06:26] <Salajadin> manpoole, use at your own risk
[06:26] <manpoole> thats good enough for me
[06:26] <Salajadin> yep every single one of em
[06:26] <manpoole> im up to a risk
[06:26] <manpoole> im running ext4 afterall lol
[06:28] <eso> hay guys
[06:29] <maverick> No sound.. just a static or hum...... a faint crackling sound....
[06:29] <maverick> running jaunty RC
[06:29] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what programs did you test?
[06:30] <vart> maverick: try to blacklist the pc speacker module
[06:31] <moj0rising> hi. I'm trying to find the CD ROM device name on my system.  I can see that it is mounted as /home/us/.gvfs/cdda/mount/on/sr0/ but I don't know what is mounted there. If I use the mou t command I can't seem to find it. Can anyone point be in the right direction?
[06:31] <moj0rising> it's usually something like /dev/cdrom
[06:31] <maverick> vart: i mean, i try to listen to my mp3 songs and that's all i hear.... just low static.. when i had installed jaunty beta..and downloaded codecs..it was fine.. i made some changes in volume control manager pr sth.....
[06:31] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vart :    how to do that???
[06:33] <vart> maverick: so maybe it just muted? could you undo your changes?
[06:34] <Salajadin> mojorising, try sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[06:34] <Veinor> Who here is gonna have a release party? 8D
[06:35] <Salajadin> i believe theres info on your mounts infstab
[06:36] <vart> maverick: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr                      - to temporary disable it
[06:37] <Salajadin> manpoole, how's it going?
[06:37] <maverick> vart: I tried.. I had perhaps changed audio driver/card..but no use.... [no, not muted]..... i also tried to do sth like making every setting to default.....but that didn't work either....
[06:38] <manpoole> just reading about it
[06:38] <manpoole> thinking about trying concurrent booting
[06:38] <manpoole> the hd speed up has a lot of confusion in the comments
[06:38] <manpoole> and im on ext4
[06:38] <maverick> vart: disabled it...i am trying to listen to the songs again...
[06:38] <Salajadin> hmmm concurrent booting rocks
[06:38] <manpoole> so im going to skip the hd tweak
[06:39] <Salajadin> thta's the concurrency=shell stuff right
[06:39] <manpoole> what processor do you have?
[06:39] <manpoole> yea
[06:39] <Salajadin> 2 cores
[06:39] <manpoole> silly question. you do not need 64 bit or anything for that do you?
[06:39] <maverick> vart: no..same crackling sound
[06:39] <Salajadin> that setting letsyou utilize more your 2 cores
[06:39] <Salajadin> no
[06:39] <manpoole> yea supposedly
[06:40] <Salajadin> mine is x86
[06:40] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what player do you use?
[06:40] <manpoole> i want to do more research into the concurrent booting before i try it
[06:40] <maverick> vart: is there a way that i can change it to default sound settings.......
[06:40] <maverick> Aleksey_S: songs in rhythm box
[06:40] <manpoole> although i could easily boot to a live cd and change it back
[06:40] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vids in smplayer and vlc
[06:41] <maverick> Aleksey_S: but just sound is the problem
[06:41] <Aleksey_S> maverick: what about system sounds? ubuntu welcome sound etc
[06:41] <vart> maverick: if you do dmesg | grep alsa                 - do you see any problems with the driver initialization?
[06:42] <joetheodd> Can anyone else not update the repos?
[06:43] <maverick> vart: nothing happened...i typed the cmd and nth happened
[06:43] <moj0rising> Salajadin: BIngo. I was able to find it there: /media/cdrom0 .. Thought I checked there already but oh well. Thank you!
[06:44] <maverick> Aleksey_S: no i didn't hear..but in the last session i had muted my speakers..that's why i might not have heard it....
[06:45] <Salajadin> congrats mojo
[06:46] <maverick> Aleksey_S: vart : Can't I just put back every sound property to default...so that I can hear sonds again..and I hope my mp3 codecs aren't disturbed..even if this happens.. i will download them again.....
[06:48] <ajavid> hi
[06:48] <ajavid> does 9.04 kernel 2.6.28-11 have support for ext4 volumes?
[06:48] <dash|x58> why doesn't ndiswrapper work properly in 9.04
[06:49] <dash|x58> it didnt want to accept my windows driver ;[
[06:49] <vart> ajavid: yes
[06:51] <vart> maverick: I do not know how. but I would try to reinstall the alsa driver (alsa-base package etc)
[06:54] <Salajadin> ajavid, yes it supports ext4
[06:54] <Salajadin> imusing that kernel and i have ext4 on my /home partition
[06:54] <maverick> vart: ok..thanks...i will try
[06:55] <theriex> anybody know where I can find a temporary solution to the wireless issues, until the final is released?
[06:55] <vart> !wireless
[06:56] <theriex> gee thanks for the dumb persons guide
[06:56] <maverick> Aleksey_S: hey ..got any thing for me..??
[07:00] <manpoole> Salajadin about to try concurrent booting
[07:00] <manpoole> brb wish me luck
[07:04] <Salajadin> goodluck manpoole
[07:06]  * Skapare finally decided to just go ahead and download the RC despite there being only 2 days, and is writing it on the USB key now
[07:15] <SandGorgon> in kubuntu 9.04, how do I get flash with firefox? I have install ed flashplugin-nonfree and it works OK with konqueror - but doesnt work with FF
[07:30] <petsounds> SandGordon, download from http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/ and select .deb package
[07:31] <paul68> hi did the support for creative labs xfi cards improved in the new release or is it still crappy
[07:32] <loquitus_of_bor1> I have xi fi.... seems to be ok
[07:33] <CaneToad> Once the jaunty official release becomes available, what will the steps be to upgrade from 8.10?  Is it just a matter of pressing Alt+F2 and typing in "update-manager -d" ?
[07:33] <racecar56> no -d because it's gonna be released
[07:34] <racecar56> -d for now until tomorrow
[07:35] <paul68> loquitus_of_bor1: did you have to do something special to make it work or did it work correctly by itself?
[07:39] <racecar56> omg getdeb retired 8.10? i didnt even know they do that! O_O
[07:39] <racecar56> >:(
[07:40] <jpds> racecar56: Once it's removed from the archive/releases, it's a pretty good sign that you need to upgrade. :)
[07:40] <racecar56> maybe i should upgrade to 9.04 right now...
[07:40] <racecar56> i will
[07:40] <racecar56> as soon as i can, i will
[07:40] <racecar56> i tested 8.10 (back in the good ol' days) but i test 9.04 in a vm instead, now
[07:41] <paul68> loquitus_of_bor1: ?
[07:41] <racecar56> just one thing:
[07:41] <CaneToad> racecar56: are you saying that once released it will automatically update from 8.10 to 9.04, or do I have to change some settings for that to happen?
[07:41] <racecar56> my idiotic ati drivers broke
[07:41] <racecar56> CaneToad, no, you have to do it manually, it will tell you to upgrade when you launch update-manager tomorrow, as it will be released tomorrow
[07:42] <racecar56> CaneToad, if you cant wait then to update-manager -d in a terminal or whatever
[07:42] <racecar56> jpds, as soon as i fix my gfx card ill upgrade
[07:42] <jpds> racecar56: Your choice when to do it :)
[07:43] <racecar56> jpds, ill be upgrading fast, i like new versions :>
[07:43] <racecar56> is it good to keep at least 1 of a older version of a kernel?
[07:43] <racecar56> like have 2.6.27-14 and -13
[07:46] <rumpel> Is this a bug, not to have audio-controls (by mouse movement)  in vlc fullscreen in jaunty?
[07:49] <racecar56> im gonna restart a bunch of times and attempt to fix my gfx card
[07:49] <racecar56> ill be back in a bit
[07:53] <drbobb> is there some ubuntu or debian derivative/remix that would be usable on a laptop with 256M RAM?
[07:53] <drbobb> and preferably not Xubuntu, I don't really like Xfce much
[07:54] <rumpel> why not upgrading ram?
[07:55] <drbobb> hard to get ram suitable for older machines
[07:56] <coz_> drbobb,    ebay :)
[07:56] <drbobb> I recently had to stow away a sun ultrasparc server because ram upgrades are not available at a reasonable price
[07:56] <coz_> drbobb,  rdram?
[07:56] <drbobb> one that was in great working order btw
[07:57] <drbobb> ebay is great if u are in the us
[07:57] <rumpel> how much RAM needs Gnome?
[07:57] <coz_> ebay.uk   ebay.it  etc I believe
[07:57] <coz_> rumpel,  what do you have now?
[07:58] <rumpel> Jaunty, 2GByte
[07:58] <coz_> rumpel,  that is more than enough for gnome
[07:58] <yoasif> drbobb: you can try crunchbang lite
[07:58] <drbobb> coz_: it seems that laptop's hdd may die soon
[07:58] <rumpel> was only curious...
[07:58] <drbobb> coz_: not worthwhile investing much in it
[07:59] <coz_> drbobb,   yeah if its a laptop   I wouldnt even bother
[07:59] <rumpel> but where could i look for infos about gnome's ram usage?
[08:00] <yoasif> GNOME will run like crap on that machine heh
[08:00] <rumpel> ah.. got it
[08:00] <drbobb> yoasif: thx i'll look it up
[08:00] <yoasif> http://crunchbanglinux.org/wiki/about
[08:01] <drbobb> what about the netbook remix? is it only suitable for atom-based machines?
[08:02] <rumpel> whats the fattest gnome-process in mem?
[08:04] <yoasif> drbobb: netbook remix is still heavier than a crunchbang
[08:04] <mnemo> rumpel: here is my GNOME system running right now (8GB machine) --> http://pastebin.com/f3c5ffd9c
[08:04] <yoasif> drbobb: the debian lxde desktop might be something you might want to check out as well
[08:04] <mnemo> rumpel: RSS column is memory size
[08:05] <drbobb> yoasif: crunchbang looks pretty nice indeed.
[08:05] <racecar56> good news: my GFX is fixed! XD
[08:05] <rumpel> @mnemo not very convenient... but tnx. "top" gives me a mem usage around 3-5% of my 2Gigs... ist this possible?
[08:05] <racecar56> XD because i reported bug and now ill have to say its working again
[08:06] <rumpel> Xserver+gnomestuff
[08:06] <topyli> drbobb: netbook remix is gnome. it's not light at all
[08:06] <rumpel> not an urgent question, just out of curiousity
[08:07] <djhash> whats the current recommendation for a driver to be used on ATI Radeon X1950 series on an AMD R790FX chipset?
[08:07] <topyli> well, any lighter than ubuntu anyway
[08:07] <drbobb> topyli: so 1GB RAM is pretty much the minimum for reasonable performance?
[08:08] <racecar56> jpds, i fixed my gfx card, should i update-manager -d or should i wait until tomorrow?
[08:08] <stahlstift> Good Morning - Someone found a not locked Mirror for final? Please Query :)
[08:08] <yoasif> you can just install jaunty and use openbox or fluxbox or lxde for speed
[08:08] <drbobb> yoasif: thx for lxde, I hadn't heard of that one
[08:08] <mnemo> rumpel: here is top sorted by mem --> http://pastebin.com/m13c441db
[08:08] <racecar56> yeah, fluxbox/openbox PWNS
[08:08] <racecar56> at speed
[08:08] <jpds> racecar56: which you want - only critical fixes will go in by then.
[08:09] <crdlb> I use 512MB with "reasonable performance"
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, just wait?
[08:09] <rumpel> @mnemo tnx. Looks like on my machine...
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, oh i see what you sayin
[08:09] <jpds> racecar56: You can start upgrade to download all the necessary packages (without installing) with: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[08:09] <racecar56> jpds, k
[08:10] <drbobb> I'm curious about the unusual UI in netbook remix, so I'd still like to know whether Atom is actually a requirement, or can it run on a celeron machine?
[08:10] <racecar56> jpds, that seemed to say i had latest
[08:11] <racecar56> jpds, should i use update-manager -d?
[08:11] <jpds> racecar56: Did you change your sources.list to jaunty and run apt-get update?
[08:11] <rumpel> @racecar56 worked for me
[08:11] <racecar56> jpds, oh, no, ill do
[08:11] <stahlstift> drbobb: you can switch to normal mode in the preferences
[08:11] <topyli> drbobb: i'm running gnome on my eeepc with 512M RAM. it's not fast but works well
[08:11] <racecar56> me do now
[08:12] <topyli> drbobb: it will work on 256M too, but you won't enjoy it
[08:12] <mnemo> rumpel: if you care a lot about performance, consider helping out... see for example --> http://live.gnome.org/GnomePerformance and http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[08:12] <yoasif> topyli: try using a lighter DE/WM... you'll be happy you did
[08:12] <drbobb> stahlstift: that wasn't my question, i was asking about the cpu requirements
[08:12] <topyli> yoasif: i know
[08:12] <stahlstift> drbobb: I tried yesterday the Netbook Remix with my MSI Wind and it runs really smooth. Both Mode - even Compiz worked
[08:12] <rumpel> @mnemo if its really so small, i dont care about gaining more free ram ^^
[08:13] <topyli> yoasif: the thing is, the window managers and such don't make such a difference if you're running the same apps. those are the memory hogs
[08:13] <yoasif> topyli: it's a bit of everything, i find
[08:14] <stahlstift> The interesting thing is - the most people who are shouting about "this app uses to much ram!" have >4gb ram :)
[08:14] <topyli> yoasif: i've built desktops on fvwm and enlightenment countless times, but i always end up running the gnome daemons because i like what they do. in the end, i've noticed i might as well run gnome
[08:15] <yoasif> topyli: which daemons? they can mostly be replaced with faster alternatives
[08:17] <topyli> yoasif: gnome-settings-daemon and evolution-data-server are essential. that means you need dbus. i like gnome-volume-manager so i run it. and so on. i like computers doing stuff *for* me, that's why i bought one in the first place
[08:17] <rumpel> which would this alternative be for pulseaudio? alsa?
[08:17] <rumpel> pulseaudio on my eee 4g sux :P
[08:18] <Skapare> all those wireless issues I had with bad network-manager not reading the WEP key in Intrepid ... works OK in Jaunty RC ... for 32-bit ... will try 64-bit next
[08:18] <topyli> yoasif: i also end up running gnome-panel because i like some of the applets. then i throw in nautilus because integrates so well with all the rest. then i'm basically just a window manager away from gnome :)
[08:18] <yoasif> topyli: ah, i don't run evolution... alpine here
[08:18] <yoasif> topyli: i find thunar to be faster than nautilus with most of the same features
[08:18] <topyli> yoasif: i want my information synced between all my devices
[08:19] <topyli> yoasif: it's not about file management, i don't do that anyway
[08:19] <Skapare> the only issue I see is network-manager was a little bit aggressive in trying to connect to the first open system (a neighbor) it found as soon as I tried to access it
[08:19] <Skapare> before I could configure the key for my own secured wireless
[08:20] <yoasif> topyli: yeah i have no idea what type of syncing evolution provides, heh
[08:20] <topyli> yoasif: i've been around longer than gnome, i can appreciate the convenience it brings
[08:20] <topyli> yoasif: not evolution, evolution-data-server
[08:21] <J-_> Anyone else having a problem with Banshee deleting either database entries, or mp3s? On my setup, they have to be deleted through the root user, and I'm listening as regular user so I doubt the actual mp3s are affected. I hope not anyway
[08:21] <yoasif> topyli: yeah no idea what that does
[08:21] <topyli> yoasif: basically it lets me sync all my devices over the internet, via syncml. smartphones and other sane devices speak syncml
[08:21] <dagonet> anybody use audacious?
[08:22] <dagonet> i always get this bug > can't play in network shared file
[08:22] <atari> moin
[08:22] <yoasif> topyli: yeah looks like fun... sadly gnome runs slow on my machine (dual core turion) so i just run really light apps
[08:23] <racecar56> upgrading
[08:23] <dagonet> i don't know whether in jaunty has been fixed yet
[08:23] <yoasif> topyli: gnome and apps, rather
[08:23] <atari> has anyone a clue how to get printing working with a samba printer and auth? i always get "can not prompt for authorization"
[08:23] <ghindo> Does anybody know if the Intel issues will eventually be fixed in Jaunty, or will we have to wait till Karmic?
[08:24] <topyli> dagonet: now are you mounting this share? if you do it with nautilus, audacious probably won't work since it doesn't understand gvfs. mount the share by hand into the filesystem
[08:24] <racecar56> atari you got further than me :P
[08:24] <atari> racecar56: hm?
[08:24] <racecar56> atari mine dosent even DETECT any printers
[08:24] <yoasif> topyli: slow login too (an issue when you dont have working suspend)
[08:24] <atari> detect? mine didnt detect the printer either... i just added it manually ;)
[08:24] <racecar56> atari oh, ok
[08:24] <dagonet> topyli:no i didn't mount it
[08:25] <atari> racecar56: let me guess: you try to add a printer which is in an other workgroup?
[08:25] <topyli> yoasif: dunno. either you're a very busy person or there's something wrong with your setup .)
[08:26] <topyli> yoasif: being busy is moot btw, since if you don't let gnome do its stuff, it'll be *you* who has to work more and eventually get less done :)
[08:26] <racecar56> atari no, same
[08:26] <atari> racecar56: k
[08:26] <atari> racecar56: hm
[08:26] <racecar56> atari all of our comps are in the workgroup called WORKGROUP
[08:26] <yoasif> topyli: not sure how it would help me... evolution looks decent, so i may want to look into that instead of alpine
[08:26] <zhurai> hm... question: what time of the day (and what timezone) is the release going to be...well released?
[08:27] <topyli> dagonet: well you should mount it of course, make the files available :)
[08:27] <crdlb> zhurai: expect late
[08:27] <topyli> yoasif: nah, evolution is not worth using just for email
[08:27] <yoasif> topyli: linux in the last few years has just gotten slow, so it's not just me being busy
[08:27] <dagonet> topyli:you mean by modifying fstab?
[08:28] <zhurai> crdlb: why though? O_o, are they going by the GMT time or what GMT+/- time?
[08:28] <crdlb> zhurai: it's released when the release manager declares it so ...
[08:28] <topyli> yoasif: my experience is quite the opposite. i have no idea about linux, but gnome has become progressively lighter and faster during the last 5-6 releases
[08:28] <zhurai> o/
[08:28] <zhurai> I ment when is the website updated and the disk image released....
[08:29] <topyli> dagonet: eventually, probably yes. you can just do it from any shell with "mount" too
[08:29] <crdlb> dagonet: how exactly are you loading the song into audacious?
[08:29] <zhurai> = I'm not doing this via release manager
[08:29] <crdlb> dagonet: are you actually using jaunty?
[08:29] <dagonet> not yet
[08:29] <yoasif> topyli: nautilus just took 5 seconds to load
[08:29] <crdlb> zhurai: I meant the person :)
[08:29] <dagonet> i'm still using intrepid
[08:29] <yoasif> thunar... 1 second
[08:30] <zhurai>  <crdlb> zhurai: I meant the person :) <-- >_< eh
[08:30] <yoasif> and it appeared in 5 seconds, then it looked horrible while it drew the icons for another second or so
[08:30] <topyli> yoasif: interesting results. you should file a bug and provide clues as to how to duplicate it
[08:30] <crdlb> dagonet: well, depending on your answer to my previous question, it may be fixed in jaunty
[08:30] <racecar56> whatever that bug is, im gonna have it fixed
[08:31] <racecar56> cause im upgrading as we speak
[08:31] <yoasif> topyli: don't even think it's a bug, since i see it all the time... nautilus is heavy, thunar is very light
[08:31] <racecar56> k
[08:31] <racecar56> i agree with you
[08:31] <racecar56> pcmanfm is also pwn
[08:31] <topyli> yoasif: nautilus is definitely bigger of course
[08:31] <topyli> yoasif: it also does much more for you in return :)
[08:32] <racecar56> loaded my /proc folder in a millisecond, nautilus took like... probably a minute
[08:32] <topyli> yoasif: but since you speak in terms of "file managers" and "mail clients", we're not on the same page at all
[08:32] <MarkJones> Hello I was wondering if reporting bugs is helpful if so I would like to know how I can help report bugs?
[08:32] <racecar56> wow brasero is jumping to catch up with gnome's versions...
[08:32] <topyli> yoasif: you should definitely use nautilus or evolution or most of gnome in fact
[08:33] <yoasif> topyli: i'd love to not run "file managers" and "mail clients" if it were FAST
[08:33] <racecar56> from 0.9.1 (i think) to 2.26 O_o
[08:33] <crdlb> racecar56: 1s to open and 1s to load /proc here
[08:33] <topyli> yoasif: err, definietly NOT use them
[08:33] <yoasif> topyli: but it isn't, so i make do
[08:33] <crdlb> racecar56: every gnome module does that
[08:33] <racecar56> crdlb, k
[08:34] <dagonet> is anybody know the link to final release build status?i had this in the last intrepid release, but i forgot it
[08:34] <racecar56> tomorrow its coming out
[08:34] <racecar56> apr 23rd
[08:34] <racecar56> and today is 22nd
[08:35] <racecar56> woot 80% done downloading
[08:35] <yoasif> topyli: i *like* GNOME it's just slow and my machine doesn't feel fast when i'm using it...
[08:35] <dagonet> i mean the link to a web page that inform jaunty release build status
[08:35] <MarkJones> No one knows how to report bugs?
[08:35] <yoasif> MarkJones: launchpad.net
[08:35] <dagonet> Markjones: why don't you report it via launchpad
[08:36] <racecar56> yoasif, i agree with you, my laptop dosen't necessarily like it either.
[08:36] <racecar56> yoasif, however my pc (with 2 more cores) handles it better
[08:36] <racecar56> 93%
[08:36] <MarkJones> Thank you Ill go and see launchpad then.
[08:37] <dagonet> @yoasif:why not to try netbook remix on your laptop
[08:37] <racecar56> ahhh nooooooooooooo it canceled, gonna download again -_-
[08:37] <topyli> dagonet: netbook remix is gnome
[08:37] <racecar56> ummm...
[08:38] <dagonet> but it's more light
[08:38] <yoasif> dagonet: i'm running openbox and i want more speed, i think playing with firefox is going to give me more of a boost than switching to another WM/DE
[08:38] <topyli> dagonet: really? i sort of doubt that
[08:38] <dagonet> yoasif:wait for chromium or firefox 3.5
[08:38] <racecar56> jpds, O_o apparently the -d option on apt-get dist-upgrade seems to download, but not install..... lul