[01:09] <Elwell> evening all - is there a list of preseed options that have to go in the pxe config (everythung till network's up) - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet doesn't seem to have all UK ones
[01:10] <Elwell> do I just grep the info: set .... lines out of var/log/syslog on the test clent?
[12:10] <cjwatson_> Elwell: the installation guide (https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html) has prose commentary indicating which items are processed before the preconfiguration file is loaded
[08:12] <Elwell> cjwatson: ta - got the installer going but discovered my debmirror'd mirror didn't have the needed udebs
[08:13] <Elwell> so am slowly lftp'ing the leftovers


[02:17] <lifeless> OOPS-0060edda6c3be0f7fa8daa0835618205
[03:23] <lifeless> hmm
[03:23] <lifeless> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/104462562/buildlog.txt.gz
[03:24] <lifeless>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: python-all (>= 2.6.6-3~) but it is not installable
[03:24] <lifeless> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[03:24] <lifeless> Remove the following packages:
[03:24] <lifeless> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy
[03:24] <wgrant> lifeless: Yes?
[03:25] <mwhudson> soyuz uses pbuilder?
[03:25] <wgrant> recipes use pbuilder-satisfydepends
[03:25] <mwhudson> ah ok
[03:26] <lifeless> wgrant: what is it really trying to tell me ?
[03:26] <wgrant> I suggested it in Wellington as a short-term measure, and it was never replaced :)
[03:26] <wgrant> lifeless: python-all is uninstallable.
[03:26] <lifeless> oh yay
[03:26] <mwhudson> well that version is
[03:27] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/python-all suggests you can get 2.6.5
[03:27] <lifeless> Is that likely to be related to my recipe ?
[03:27] <wgrant> What mwhudson said, probably.
[03:28] <lifeless> nothing in backports even
[03:28] <lifeless> jelmer: ^ do you know what that version is depended on for ?
[03:29] <wgrant> lifeless: Vaguely relatedly, are there any plans for testtools/fixtures 3.x support?
[03:29] <lifeless> should work now
[03:29] <lifeless> packaging has been refreshed recently by jelmer
[03:29] <wgrant> Not in precise :(
[03:29] <lifeless> yes well
[03:29] <lifeless> grab the testing cabal ppa
[05:34] <wilbur> ubuntu 12.04: while using firefox for a short while, the right click function becomes corrupt and also by hovering the mouse pointer above the firefox icon it will no longer display the small information pop up...until i relog. i have installed chromium to avoid the annoying flaw.
[05:35] <wilbur> maybe this issue is actually being caused by firefox and not because of an oversight or maybe it has something to do with the fact that i am running 64 bit...either way it should not be like that.
[05:36] <StevenK> wilbur: This channel is for user support for Launchpad, you should reask in #ubuntu.
[05:36] <wilbur> i mentioned it there also and was referred to here...but ok.
[05:37] <wilbur> i have said my peace, if it remains so be it.
[05:38] <wilbur> thank you, goodbye.
[06:38] <ok2cqr> Hello, does anyone know how long does it take to delete files from my personal ppa after request, please?
[06:38] <ok2cqr> I did it about 10 hours ago and still getting error that files already exist
[06:39] <ok2cqr> I can't see them in the package list but after I try to copy package from other ppa, I get error that file already exists.
[06:42] <wgrant> ok2cqr: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/990
[06:43] <ok2cqr> so I have to increase version also after I deleted original package?
[06:43] <ok2cqr> It was only for testing, I made testing build and would like if it fails
[06:44] <ok2cqr> and it did, so I wanted to delete package I copied from other ppa
[06:44] <ok2cqr> and after a few hours of trying other build, I decide co get it back. It is the same package with the same content
[06:45] <wgrant> ok2cqr: You have to increase the version, yes.
[06:45] <ok2cqr> I can't do that
[06:46] <ok2cqr> the package is not mine
[06:46] <ok2cqr> I'll try to add that repo to dependency
[11:02] <Glarbex> Hello, can I confirm that bugs.launchpad.net is changing SSL certificates? SHA1 fingerprints: old A7:97:F3:0E:EB:C2:23:15:A5:50:28:B1:DD:3B:B5:A2:C1:91:1C:1F and new E9:B6:4D:20:01:CC:A6:C8:56:F4:8F:35:3D:BA:94:03:FF:80:4A:E9
[11:03] <wgrant> Glarbex: That's correct.
[11:04] <Glarbex> Thanks.
[11:04] <wgrant> The old one expires tomorrow :)
[11:04] <Glarbex> I saw that, I was just a bit paranoid because of the different issuer.
[11:07] <Glarbex> (I have heard of CA certificates trusted by browsers being issued to large organisations for the specific purpose of MitM attacks on their traffic.)
[11:07] <wgrant> Yeah :/
[11:07] <wgrant> But this particular one is real.
[11:08] <Glarbex> Thanks.
[11:14] <maxb> Hm, different CAs for launchpad.net vs. *.launchpad.net - not something I'd ever thought to look at before. Surprising.
[11:16] <wgrant> They should match again once launchpad.net's expires in two months.
[11:18] <maxb> So much nuisance caused by whoever had the ridiculous idea of basing SSL / cookie trust on "star dot" rather than "this domain and subdomains" :-/
[11:19] <wgrant> ITYM "ridiculously profitable"
[13:02] <penguin42> Hi, I'm landing on a 'Lost something?' page when saving a status/importance and comment change on bug 995933    OOPS-a1bb3d284af4f172a061e39496c97db1
[13:03] <wgrant> penguin42: Refresh the page. It was retargeted from linux-meta to linux while you were editing.
[13:09] <penguin42> ah
[13:10] <penguin42> wgrant: Thanks
[13:11] <wgrant> (huh, I didn't think xen dom0 support was meant to even vaguely work in oneiric at all)
[13:11] <penguin42> I don't know, I'll leave that to the linux package guys to figure out
[13:12] <penguin42> wgrant: Is there a reason that the package name is embedded in the URL for the save-changes button, it doesn't sound like it needs to be and would fix that race
[13:13] <wgrant> penguin42: Bugs can affect multiple packages.
[13:13] <wgrant> The status is specific to a package.
[13:13] <penguin42> ah yes, ok
[16:53] <stgraber> heya, can we get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/995998 pulled in the next SRU for precise? it's quite important for thin client hardware
[16:54] <stgraber> hasn't hit stable yet apparently but will probably soon (patch is trivial)
[16:54] <stgraber> gah, wrong channel ... sorry :)
[18:09] <thopiekar_> hi.. I can't create any new branch on launchpad. Is there any reason? lp-id: thopiekar
[18:18] <lifeless> what happens when you try ?
[18:23] <thopiekar_> lifeless: there is nothing on the site that makes me possible to create one. On every "code" page I see a area which has a grey background but there is no text, like "Register a new branch" or whatever.
[18:24] <lifeless> thopiekar_: you make new branches by pushing them from within bzr
[20:14] <NougatRillettes> Hi !
[20:14] <NougatRillettes> Could any launchpad admin quey me please ?
[20:15] <NougatRillettes> *query
[20:18] <NougatRillettes> I'd like to get all the post i made deleted.
[20:18] <NougatRillettes> Or to see their name changed
[20:19] <NougatRillettes> (i'm trying to clean the google results on my name, no that they are offensive but i made those posts a few years ago and i don't want them to impact on the way people would consider me)
[20:26] <deryck> NougatRillettes, hey, we can't delete posts for you for that reason.  We only hide comments when there is spam or some such in them.
[20:26] <NougatRillettes> hmmm
[20:26] <deryck> NougatRillettes, what is your lp user name?
[20:26] <NougatRillettes> Arthur Carcano
[20:26] <NougatRillettes> Isn't it possible to change the name ?
[20:27] <NougatRillettes> I'm not sure I still have my launchpad account btb.
[20:27] <NougatRillettes> But my posts are still on google.
[20:28] <deryck> NougatRillettes, it looks like an account for ~arthur-carcano has been deactivated already.
[20:28] <deryck> NougatRillettes, I believe that will do what you want.
[20:28] <NougatRillettes> oh, nice !
[20:28] <NougatRillettes> I remember desactivating a few weeks ago but it didn't seem to change anything so...
[20:30] <deryck> NougatRillettes, and when I search your name in Google, the pages turn up in Google, but if I follow them they are 404 since the account doesn't exist with us anymore.
[20:30] <NougatRillettes> oh, i'm so sorry, I didn't even try to follow the links !
[20:30] <NougatRillettes> :/
[20:31] <NougatRillettes> How stupid i look now...
[20:32] <deryck> NougatRillettes, no worries :)  Glad it's worked out now.
[23:23] <mwhudson> bug 1 miiiiiiiiillion approaches
[23:23] <StevenK> Haha
[23:23] <mwhudson> lolbot
[23:43] <sidnei> how does one get a project group created these days?
[23:44] <sagaci> sidnei, a team for a project?
[23:44] <wgrant> sidnei: We can create them for you.
[23:44] <wgrant> sidnei: What do you want?
[23:45] <sidnei> wgrant, can you create graphite-project and add graphite/carbon/whisper as subprojects?
[23:49] <wgrant> sidnei: https://launchpad.net/graphite-project is yours. You'll need to negotiate with the project owners (which seem to mostly be you...) to add them to the group.
[23:49] <sidnei> wgrant, awesome, thanks!


[00:00] <pleia2> Hi everyone :)
[00:00] <pleia2> anyone here for the lernid testing?
[00:00] <pleia2> (this channel isn't moderated at the moment)
[00:01] <jsjgruber> Hello everyone. This is a Lernid testing session. I'd like to thank you for joining us.
[00:02] <jsjgruber> Please speak up in #ubuntu-classroom-chat if you are here to help us test the new version of Lernid--0.8.2
[00:05] <jsjgruber> I'm going to hope we have some shy people here to give us a hand, and who will speak up if they hae a problem or a question or concern.
[00:05] <jsjgruber> If you are willing to lend a hand with testing let's double check what version everyone is running. Take a look at the about box. You should be running version 0.8.2.
[00:05] <jsjgruber> If you aren't, you probably don't have the lernid-proposed ppa installed. To
[00:06] <jsjgruber> install start a termianl session with CTRL-ALT-T (CTRL and ALT held, then T)
[00:06] <jsjgruber> and enter the commands:
[00:06] <jsjgruber> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jsjgruber/lernid-proposed
[00:06] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get update
[00:06] <jsjgruber> sudo apt-get install lernid
[00:06] <jsjgruber> Then you can check your lernid version with the command:
[00:06] <jsjgruber> dpkg -s lernid
[00:06] <jsjgruber> and you should see the version is 0.8.2
[00:09] <jsjgruber> Looking at the schedule tab. Do you see my text in bold (I should be using JSJGruber rather than the
[00:09] <jsjgruber> jsjgruber in the calendar. Am I listed as jsjgruber in the schedule
[00:09] <jsjgruber> widget? Is my name there in a smaller font? Thanks to Mohammad AbuShady
[00:09] <jsjgruber> (coalwater) for allowing the bolding, etc., work without reference
[00:09] <jsjgruber> to whether the names are upper, lower, or mixed case.
[00:10] <JsJgruber> Sorry, I forgot to change to JsJgruber. I should still be in bold in the classroom session.
[00:11] <JsJgruber> Ok.  Try Event->Open URL...> launchpad.net/lernid . That should now work
[00:11] <JsJgruber> without putting "http://" on the front. Thanks fo to Diagenese for this.
[00:11] <JsJgruber> Thanks *go* to Diogenese for this, that is.
[00:12] <JsJgruber> Please go to wcarc.bgsu.edu and I'll check the website logs to check this. Coalwater
[00:12] <JsJgruber> again helped out by providing this fix.
[00:13] <JsJgruber> That last is to check the change from Coalwater for the Useragent, it has listed Safari, and now should say Lernid
[00:14] <JsJgruber> Next I'll ask you to disconnect and reconnect. Let me mention first what to
[00:14] <JsJgruber> expect.
[00:14] <JsJgruber> You should be getting just two choices when connecting, one for
[00:14] <JsJgruber> #ubuntu-classroom and one for #ubuntu-charlas (spanish)
[00:14] <JsJgruber> Pay attention to how long it takes for the connection dialog box to disappear,
[00:14] <JsJgruber> and to the notification message about asking questions in the chat.
[00:14] <JsJgruber> The connection dialog box should go away quickly and
[00:14] <JsJgruber> you should see slide progress appear in the status bar. If you click in the
[00:14] <JsJgruber> lernid window it shouldn't go gray.
[00:14] <JsJgruber> The notification should say to prefix questions with "QUESTION:" rather than
[00:14] <JsJgruber> "question:", thanks again to Coalwater.
[00:14] <JsJgruber> Please go ahead. I'll wait about 2 minutes.
[00:18] <JsJgruber> Did the dialog box disappear right away? Did the messages say QUESTION rather than Question?
[00:20] <JsJgruber> Down below you should see a control for turning on the prefix and "QUESTION"
[00:20] <JsJgruber> should be upper case there, too. It should look like all the text
[00:20] <JsJgruber> throughout the Lernid window. Click on "QUESTION" and it should toggle
[00:20] <JsJgruber> the checkmark. You should also see a tooltip come up if you hover over
[00:20] <JsJgruber> QUESTION or the checkmark. That message should mention "QUESTION" (in upper
[00:20] <JsJgruber> case).
[00:21] <JsJgruber> Does it check out?
[00:21] <ClassBot> pleia2-lucid asked:  do you like cats?
[00:24] <JsJgruber> Let's check out a contribution from a long time Lernid contributor.
[00:25] <JsJgruber> Please go to the Edit->Preferences dialog and turn on the new
[00:25] <JsJgruber> O"pen presentation links in default browser" choice. I'll post a link:
[00:25] <JsJgruber> I'll give everyone a  few second to set the preference.
[00:26] <JsJgruber> http://ubuntu.com
[00:26] <JsJgruber> That should have opened the link in Firefox or whatever browser you use (in a new tab)
[00:27] <holstein> JsJgruber: give me a few ticks...
[00:27] <holstein> OK... can you relink ?
[00:27] <JsJgruber> Sure.
[00:27] <JsJgruber> http://ubuntu.com
[00:28] <JsJgruber> Did that work, hostein?
[00:28] <holstein> JsJgruber: yup
[00:28] <JsJgruber> Excellent.
[00:28] <holstein> slick :)
[00:28] <JsJgruber> Please remember to unclick the preference again if you want presentations to be shown in the lernid browser window. Thanks to enli for this feature
[00:28] <JsJgruber> (Peeyoosh Sangolekar).
[00:28] <JsJgruber> Please check the label on the classroom and chatroom panels. The classroom
[00:28] <JsJgruber> names should be normal text rather than bold, and should contain the whole
[00:28] <JsJgruber> name--#ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[00:29] <holstein> JsJgruber: thats seems like what i have... unless im just overlooking something obvious
[00:30] <JsJgruber> holstein, if you are running the new version that is what is expected--very good.
[00:30] <JsJgruber> I'll wait a few more seconds for people to uncheck the option.
[00:32] <lajjr> my version is <IP_ADDRESS>~lp1+228+245+201108290226~natty1
[00:32] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/170487 just in case...
[00:32] <holstein> i do see *some* things in bold
[00:34] <JsJgruber> you should see what I type in bold, but not what you type. We are looking at Lernid's ability to distinguish the commands and output of the prople scheduled to instruct a class.
[00:34] <pleia2> I'm bold too because I'm a helper
[00:34] <holstein> cool... thats what im getting then... and im unchecked now as well
[00:35] <JsJgruber> I'll post another command and let's see if another set of slides come up.
[00:36] <JsJgruber> This should bring up a lengthly slide load, with a progress message
[00:36] <JsJgruber> below, on the left. While it loads you should be able to click around
[00:36] <JsJgruber> lernid without making it go gray.
[00:36] <JsJgruber> This may take a while to load.
[00:36] <JsJgruber> [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 1]
[00:37] <JsJgruber> This should still show up.
[00:37] <JsJgruber> How did it go?
[00:38] <JsJgruber> This should be bold!
[00:39] <johnsgruber_> This should not be bold
[00:41] <johnsgruber_>  [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 1]
[00:42] <JsJgruber> The slide file should be reloading again, even though johnsgruber_ wasn't scheduled to be an instructor and isn't in the schedule.
[00:42] <JsJgruber> Did that work?
[00:43] <JsJgruber> [slidefile https://sites.google.com/site/gruberdocuments/engineering-docs/lernid 0.8.2.pdf]
[00:45] <JsJgruber> [slidefile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf]
[00:47] <JsJgruber> This should be in bold, though.
[00:47] <JsJgruber> Now for something different. Let's look at the schedule tab again.
[00:47] <JsJgruber> Please click the button under the slides. Your browser should open the
[00:47] <JsJgruber> slides in a new window.
[00:49] <johnsgruber_>  [slidefile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf]
[00:49] <johnsgruber_>   [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 1
[00:49] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[00:50] <johnsgruber_>   [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 1]
[00:51] <JsJgruber> Any questions from anyone?
[00:53] <ClassBot> Unit19320 asked:  Will we be able to change "Real Name" before connect?
[00:54] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[00:54] <JsJgruber> I'm not sure I understand, but if you mean an irc setting for your real name, we don't have any plans to add any more of that sort of thing at present. You can always file a blueprint (or for simple things, a wishlist bug)
[00:55] <ClassBot> lajjr98 asked:  Yes is possible to open up the pdf in the session?
[00:56] <JsJgruber> Not at this time.
[00:57] <JsJgruber> People should be seeing the questions posted by classbot in italics, my answers in bold.
[00:58] <ClassBot> lajjr98 asked:  like a tab like schedule etc? ?maybe?
[00:59] <JsJgruber> The hope is that if people want to look at the slides at their own pace, or later, they can open them through their browser and bookmark or save them.
[01:01] <johnsgruber_>  [slidefile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf]
[01:02] <JsJgruber> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf
[01:04]  * lajjr says brb
[01:05] <JsJgruber> [slidefile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf]
[01:06] <JsJgruber> [slidefile http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/Launchpad_GPG_Key_Basics.pdf]
[01:08] <JsJgruber> [slidefile https://sites.google.com/site/gruberdocuments/engineering-docs/lernid 0.8.2.pdf]
[01:10] <JsJgruber> [slidefile http://www.gnu.org/software/guile-gnome/docs/gtk/guile-gnome-gtk.pdf 3]
[01:11] <JsJgruber> Let's go on to stopping and starting lernid and using its options.
[01:12] <JsJgruber> It might be trouble because we will be out of contact some of the time.
[01:12] <JsJgruber> Now let's try a couple of things that will require us to restart lernid
[01:12] <JsJgruber> from a terminal. To bring up a terminal you can type: CTRL-ALT-T .
[01:12] <JsJgruber> (Hold Control and Alt, and hold them while then pressing the T button).
[01:12] <JsJgruber> Quit lernid and then restart it from the window using the -v and
[01:12] <JsJgruber> --avoid-desktopcouch options : lernid -v --avoid-desktopcouch
[01:12] <JsJgruber> While it is running you should see messages, in the terminal window each
[01:12] <JsJgruber> time while lernid starts up, but not when a message comes in. If you
[01:12] <JsJgruber> stop and start lernid in this mode you will see that the window size
[01:12] <JsJgruber> and size of the panes is not remembered between starts.
[01:12] <JsJgruber> Restart it again, using the option: lernid -d
[01:12] <JsJgruber> You should see all of the above messages, plus additional ones each time
[01:12] <JsJgruber> a message is posted to the classroom or chatroom.
[01:14] <JsJgruber> I'll wait a couple of minutes for each of you to start and restart lernid
[01:17] <JsJgruber> I'll wait another minute or so. It can take time to restart lernid.
[01:18] <JsJgruber> Are people back?
[01:20] <JsJgruber> After the session, try the #ubuntu-charlas choice for connecting. The
[01:20] <JsJgruber> word QUESTION should change everywhere to the Spanish equivalent.
[01:20] <JsJgruber> Please send me a note at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you run into further
[01:20] <JsJgruber> problems while testing lernid, or file a bug against it.
[01:20] <JsJgruber> Any last questions?
[01:22] <JsJgruber> If there are no more questions I guess we should call it a day? I'll stick around a few minutes in chat, anyway.
[01:22] <JsJgruber> Thank you very much for helping us test lernid!
[01:29] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/06/%23ubuntu-classroom.html
[01:34] <JsJgruber> Looks like ClassBot is confused by duplicate session names--noting the date on the irclogs message.
[18:44] <learner> may i ask a question?
[18:47] <learner> anyone here?
[19:05] <learner> i am here on behalf of my frnd. who is using ubuntu 10.10. he has configured internet mobil connection (reliance netconnect) and gprs conection it was working fine sudennly yesterday he is not able to connect and there is a exclamation mark in his network applet saying tat network manager is not running.
[19:06] <pleia2> learner: this channel is for hosted classes, you want #ubuntu for support
[19:08] <learner> pleia2: thanks i m new to irc..how can i learn frm this class is der any class going on right now
[19:12] <pleia2> learner: no classes going on right now, the schedule is the link in the channel topic: http://is.gd/8rtIi


 Hii there!! I am back!
 Hi!
 How's it going?
 Fine. Had exams, internship, and a lot of stuff but now I am free. Looking forward to help. Can I get the latest disco release link?
 cdimage.ubuntu.com is where it's always at :)
 I will download it right away! I had to give that old laptop back on which I earlier installed disco
 Awesome!
 Does disco support secure boot yet?
 Not yet :(
 I am thinking to dual boot it.
 Lite. I will disable secure boot then.
 Download started. Btw, what did I miss?
 Not much :)
 I will continue doing what I was doing earlier. T155 i remember. Is it done?
 We had some data loss, see our blog :/
 Okay.
 Dammnnn bois the desktop looks much much much better than last time. Good job. I will quickly install it.
 Thanks!
 Any reason 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' is not installed by default? … I guess elantech touchpad doesn't work without it.
 Oh? No reason I can think of
 wxl: ^
 @tsimonq2 [Oh? No reason I can think of], 👍🏻
[04:44] <wxl[m]> Because Synaptics is deprecated in lieu of libinput
 There's your answer
 well also 19.04 has the new touchpad settings gui
 @lynorian [well also 19.04 has the new touchpad settings gui], Can't find an option to enable single tap clicks there. Installed the xinput-xorg-input-synaptics package. working fine now.
 But I can't change touchpad setting from th settings box now. I have to use synclient command. Lite I don't need to to make any changes.
 Nice!
 Do you remember what the task said?
 hat task was about mimeapps.list
 *that
 Hmm, OK
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_Loudspeaker this might be an easy one to change. i'm sure this doesn' …], This is the one.
 Right, we no longer have the contents of that task
 It needs to be recreated from scratch, unfortunately
 @tsimonq2 [Right, we no longer have the contents of that task], Why?
 See our blog, we lost all Phabricator data,
 I need to go to sleep, talk later :)
 @tsimonq2 [See our blog, we lost all Phabricator data], K.
 @tsimonq2 [I need to go to sleep, talk later :)], Bye.
 Read it. It's sad that we lost data.  … @wxl will you help me recreate the task?
[05:52] <wxl[m]> I think lxqt ships one so we can grab from them. Alternately look in the history of lubuntu-default-settings as we used to ship it
 I was able to change it for lock screen. Lock screen shorcut was categorised as command.
 @The_LoudSpeaker T155 is now T3. You will need to recreate your account in Phabricator. Everything the previous task should now be in that one.
 👍🏻
 I'm starting to recover the wiki, thanks to @kc2bez's pull from the Google cache
 wxl: So no, your packaging guide *isn't* gone, in fact, we have a copy of it :)
 It's just a matter of recovering it
 👏
 sry guys
 Missclick
 np :)
 I'm going to start linking wiki pages here after I get to importing the contents
 If someone could look over them and make any formatting changes, that'd be cool
[20:30] <teward> fix the relay bot for #lubuntu @tsimonq2
 ok
 I have to run an errand real quick
[20:31] <wxl> OMG @kc2bez IS A GOD
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ <-- could someone look it over? There's some table content that needs some manual data manipulation (or some fun sed)
 I'll be back in 15-20 mins.
[20:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: ikr :D
 @tsimonq2 [https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ <-- could someone look it over? There's some tab …], Besides the table data, I couldn't figure out the lettered sub-bullets
[20:32] <wxl> should be
[20:32] <wxl>  * first level
[20:32] <wxl>     * second level
[20:32] <wxl> err
[20:32] <wxl>    * second level
[20:33] <tsimonq2> Just Fix It please ;0
[20:33] <tsimonq2> *;)
 wxl: the Simon says you broke something important.
[20:33] <wxl> you know as well as i do that simon says a lot of things that are untrue :)
[20:34] <teward> some things aren't though :p
[20:35] <wxl> you can also do this with remarkup:
[20:35] <wxl> - first level
[20:35] <wxl> -- second level
[20:56] <tsimonq2> wxl: Go create a Phab account XD
[20:56] <tsimonq2> And enable 2FA
[20:56] <wxl> i'm getting there
[20:56] <tsimonq2> ok
[20:56] <tsimonq2> I'll edit the bugs page then real quick
 @wxl [<wxl> OMG @kc2bez IS A GOD], Uh no but thank you :)
[21:14] <tsimonq2> hahahahahahaha
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/
[21:30] <wxl> so can we get our tasks back that way, too?
[21:30] <tsimonq2> wxl: See my PM
[21:30] <tsimonq2> Dan has some of them
[21:30] <wxl> OH
[21:32] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/membership/
[21:32] <tsimonq2> wxl: Got your Phab account yet? XD
[21:33] <wxl> no
[21:43] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/lubuntu-dev/packages/
[22:22] <tsimonq2> Hosted repositories set up, time to start manually importing.
[22:28] <tsimonq2> Let me get the manual going for you lynorian
[22:28] <lynorian> tsimonq2: tablet isn't quite here yet so I don't have 2fa quite yet
[22:28] <tsimonq2> No problem.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> lynorian: There, please start pushing directly to Phabricator again.
[22:36] <tsimonq2> via ssh://git@phab.lubuntu.me:2222/source/manual.git
 Interesting: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=309&t=159959&p=414665#p414665
 Though I doubt they will have much luck getting packaing done


[01:56] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-1-released-tp51191.html (by André Miranda)


[13:27] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, how is Ubuntu TV these days?
[13:27] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, I'm not working on it still, focusing on Ubuntu Touch media
[13:27] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, :O I thought you are working on it...
[13:27] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, so I don't think there's been any progress
[13:28] <smartboyhw> oh:(
[13:29] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, where's the source code?
[13:29] <jhodapp> same place as it's always been :)
[13:29] <jhodapp> take a look at ubuntu.com/tv
[13:30] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, but I thought that was the one with Unity 2D:O
[13:30] <smartboyhw> To download, compile and run the code, you will need Ubuntu 11.10 and a working OpenGL driver, preferably with synchronisation to VBlank enabled.
[13:30] <smartboyhw> :O
[13:30] <jhodapp> yes it is
[13:30] <jhodapp> that was the latest status of Ubuntu TV
[13:30] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, you DO realize that Ubuntu 11.10 is unsupported right...
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Sigh, without bobweaver the whole thing is not progressing
[13:31] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, yes but again, I'm not working on it :)
[13:32] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, but you bring up a good point about updating the web page to at least reflect a more current status of the project and where it might go some day
[13:32] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, yeah, if not I will be confused.
[13:32] <smartboyhw> At least, don't mention 11.10 :P
[13:33] <jhodapp> well except that's still accurate, and it hasn't been tested on anything newer with any kind of certainty
[13:33] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, well you certainly can't test it in Ubuntu 12.10 or latter (since they run newer Unity)
[13:34] <jhodapp> right
[13:36] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, I do suppose the whole thing need to be done is to port it to Unity 8 right?
[13:36] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, correct
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Whoa
[13:37] <smartboyhw> Unity 6 (or 5) -> 8...
[13:37] <smartboyhw> ...
[13:37] <jhodapp> Unity doesn't stand still :)
[13:38] <smartboyhw> But the TV code did...
[13:42] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, how difficult would it be if I'm to port the WHOLE code?
[13:43] <jhodapp> not exactly sure, but my guess is fairly challenging
[13:43] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, OK...
[13:44] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, talk to tgm4883 and bobweaver, see where they left off
[13:45] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, I don't even know will bobweaver jump up again
[13:47] <jhodapp> he's involved on the phone project doing some apps and such
[13:47] <jhodapp> he's still interested in the ecosystem
[13:47] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, that's better:)
[13:48] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, my hope is we revive the project after the phone releases and is a big success, but that's no guarantee
[13:48] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, wow, that will need to wait for at least 1-2 more years...
[13:56] <ogra_> smartboyhw, huh ? why would it take a year ? we are just building a whole phone OS in 6 months ... TV will just be a lens on top of that
[13:57] <ogra_> and doing any work on TV would be wasted until we have a stable platform for it
[13:57] <ogra_> (which ubuntu touch will be)
[13:57] <jhodapp> exactly
[13:57] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, so once the phone OS is released, we have a very good base
[13:59] <smartboyhw> jhodapp, ogra_ ah
[13:59] <jhodapp> smartboyhw, but until that time, phone is the focus
[14:03] <tgm4883> which is good, because I'm sure we don't want to keep reinventing the wheel as we've done 3 times in the past
[14:03]  * tgm4883 goes to work
[14:04] <jhodapp> tgm4883, indeed


[00:14] <satellit_> davidfarning:0208 .iso works on sun-vb still dl / import of "current.ovf" does not seem to work though ..... 08.ovf does (due to link?) still testing : ) hope you  are better
[00:20] <davidfarning> satellit_ thanks,  feeling better:)  So the *08.ovf imports correctly but not the *current.ovf ..
[00:21] <davidfarning> I guess that makes sense because I you look inside the .ovf with an editor it still points to  USR-i386-20100208.vmdk ....
[00:23] <satellit_> davidfarning: ovf works and is up on neighborhood....  not the current version...
[00:24] <satellit_> "current"
[00:26] <satellit_> off for dinner.....
[00:34] <davidfarning> satellit_ I'll write a sed script to fix that
[00:41] <satellit> k
[01:07] <satellit_> davidfarning: sugar-emulator window is too small/ have to hide top and bottom toolbar to see back and next buttons on staring sugar (name, color) using 800x600 on netbook
[01:08] <satellit_> wish we had gdm so could switch to sugar full time....
[01:43] <dogi> hi davidfarning
[02:17] <davidfarning> dogi, hey
[18:46] <satellit> davidfarning: I edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix  to reflect DL file link changes
[19:34] <jelkner> i just communicated with anurag
[19:35] <jelkner> we would like to schedule weekly sugarlabs dc meetings here on tuesdays at 1:40 pm EST
[19:35] <jelkner> how should we proceed?
[19:35] <jelkner> it would be great if the meeting could show up as a Topic on login to the channel
[19:47] <davidfarning> TOPIC test
[19:48] <davidfarning> dogi, do you know how to set a topic for jelkner?
[19:49] <davidfarning> I just used up _all_ of my irc foo :(
[19:50] <dogi> #ubuntu-sugarteam :You're not channel operator
[19:51] <dogi>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam davidfarning
[19:51] <davidfarning>  /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-sugarteam davidfarning
[19:51] <dogi> you need to be op in this channel to write a topic
[19:51] <dogi> without the first space
[19:52] <jelkner> dogi, can we make it an automatically recurring meeting for tuesdays?
[19:52] <jelkner> at 1:40 pm
[19:54] <dogi> jelkner, i don t understand ... topic problem?
[19:54] <dogi> or is this for howto use meeting bot
[19:54] <davidfarning> dogi, should I contact morgs to get op authority in this channel?
[19:54] <dogi> davidfarning, yes I think u should
[19:54] <jelkner> dogi, both, i guess
[19:55] <dogi> he should add u to the oplist there
[19:55] <jelkner> i'm just hoping for two things:
[19:55] <dogi> jelkner, ok
[19:55] <davidfarning> dogi, ok thanks I ping him on email
[19:55] <jelkner> 1. that we see the meeting on loggin the day of (and maybe day before?)
[19:55] <jelkner> 2. that their is auto logging of the meeting
[19:56] <jelkner> we requested auto logging of the channel in generatl
[19:56] <jelkner> general
[19:56] <dogi> jelkner, read this http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Dogi/meeting
[19:56] <jelkner> once that is in place, 2 is taken care of
[19:56]  * jelkner goes a readin
[19:57] <dogi> #startmeeting
[19:57] <meeting> Meeting started at 14:58 UTC. The chair is dogi.
[19:57] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[19:57] <dogi> #topic test
[19:58] <dogi> #idea test
[19:58] <dogi> #action test
[19:58] <jelkner> does the meeting bot run on this channel?
[19:58] <dogi> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SugarTeam
[19:58] <dogi> jupp jelkner
[19:58] <jelkner> cool
[19:59] <jelkner> so i can chair the meeting by using #startmeeting at around 1:30, say
[19:59] <dogi> #agreed to jelkner has to give a test meeting :)
[19:59] <dogi> #action jelkner test meeting
[20:00] <dogi> ok?
[20:00] <jelkner> #agreed
[20:00] <dogi> :)
[20:00] <dogi> #endmeeting
[20:00] <meeting> Meeting finished at 15:01.
[20:00] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100210_1458.html
[20:00] <jelkner> cool
[20:00] <dogi> jelkner, it your turn
[20:00] <dogi> +is
[20:00] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[20:00] <meeting> Meeting started at 15:02 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[20:00] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[20:01] <dogi> hi jelkner
[20:01] <jelkner> hi dogi
[20:01] <davidfarning> hey jelkner
[20:01] <jelkner> hey davidfarning, nice meeting with you! ;-)
[20:01]  * dogi waves davidfarning
[20:01] <jelkner> so, do we agree that this is the way to go?
[20:01] <jelkner> #agreed
[20:01] <davidfarning> #Agreed meeting bot is cool!
[20:01] <dogi>  topic buildslave
[20:01] <dogi> ?
[20:02] <dogi> davidfarning, who would like to have access there
[20:02] <jelkner> should i end the test meeting?
[20:02] <davidfarning> jelkner, the normal ubuntu logger is also working
[20:02] <jelkner> davidfarning, sweet!
[20:03] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[20:03] <meeting> Meeting finished at 15:04.
[20:03] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100210_1502.html
[20:03]  * dogi is finished with template
[20:03] <jelkner> that means we can look in the regular log to find the link to the meeting
[20:03] <jelkner> nice
[20:03] <dogi> now i clone lucid to buildslave
[20:04] <dogi> ups template-lucid
[20:04] <davidfarning> Dogi at this point we really only need me, you, sascah
[20:04] <jelkner> btw.  i communicated with anurag, lfarone, and hgrover today
[20:04] <dogi> davidfarning, ok
[20:04] <jelkner> we have some servers from mediawiki
[20:05] <jelkner> we have a place to host them
[20:05] <davidfarning> yes, three are going to RIT
[20:05] <jelkner> so soon we will need to figure out how best to utilize them
[20:05] <jelkner> the ones here, i mean
[20:05] <dogi> jelkner, are this the 3 servers for RIT?
[20:05] <jelkner> i think yes
[20:05] <jelkner> i didn't have anything to do with them yet
[20:05] <davidfarning> are you going to host three at the acadamey?
[20:06] <jelkner> except for agreeing they could arrive at our school
[20:06] <jelkner> davidfarning, no
[20:06] <jelkner> luke has a place in alexandria willing to do it he says
[20:06] <jelkner> that would be best
[20:06] <davidfarning> ahh ok I have not been following that side of things.
[20:07] <jelkner> me neither, davidfarning, until you alerted me to it this morning
[20:08] <davidfarning> the new servers are dogi and bernies area.
[20:09] <davidfarning> I have a lot of ideas,  but must focus on working with dogi to get the three machines at RIT up and running
[20:14] <jelkner> ok, davidfarning, i'll let everyone know when they arrive
[20:14] <jelkner> luke told me it should be this week
[20:14] <jelkner> but with the weather we have here
[20:15] <jelkner> who knows
[20:15] <dogi> jelkner, the weekly sugarlabs dc meetings here on tuesdays at 1:40 pm EST
[20:15] <jelkner> dogi, yes
[20:15] <jelkner> cool!
[20:15] <jelkner> thanks
[20:15] <dogi> is this the channel where sugarlabs DC meets?
[20:15] <jelkner> ok, all, talk to you later...
[20:15] <davidfarning> later
[20:17] <dogi> cu


[15:05] <hellocasper> Hi :)
[15:12] <hellocasper> wow, when i submitted a bug for cups yesterday i had no idea 495 bugs were "open" for it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[15:12] <hellocasper> seems a bit excessive?
[15:17] <hellocasper> something i could do with looking into sometime i understanding backporting
[15:18] <hellocasper> then maybe in the future i will be able to do packaging :)
[15:50] <Eickmeyer> hellocasper: Hi! Just remember that cups is beyond the scope of Ubuntu Studio. iirc, the upstream for cups is Apple.
[15:51] <hellocasper> that's fine :)
[15:51] <hellocasper> i think i was just thinking out loud :)
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just got to looking through the structure of FalkTX's .deb of Carla (really, the tarball) and I cannot see anywhere how it's non-standard Debian, or even a Debian binary. It looks like it's building from source. I see no reason why we couldn't just use that.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: That is fine, The big thing is to get the build deps just right. :)
[16:35] <OvenWerks> (and package deps)
[16:35] <OvenWerks> if you use any automated tool to pull deps, there will be some that are not available in debian or ubuntu repos.
[16:36] <OvenWerks> (unless the latest version has removed some of that... the author was talking about doing that)
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> Latest version includes all the correct deps. I just verified.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> I'm just going to take his code from his package and rename it from carla-git to carla.
[16:51] <Eickmeyer> I'm going to build it in my own PPA.
[18:15] <hellocasper> I'm off, cya o/


[10:58] <lool> NCommander: I uploaded a partman-uboot using -I 128 instead of -b 4096; no idea where you got that from
[12:50] <ogra> lool, banshee still doesnt work for me, though it comes up completely now and doesnt kill the UI anymore ... stays unresponsive though
[12:51]  * ogra is just dist upgrading ... probably that fixes something
[13:01] <lool> ogra: Could you confirm the bug I filed?
[13:02] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boo/+bug/452066
[13:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 452066 in boo "libboo2.0-cil fails to install on armel" [Undecided,New]
[13:02] <ogra> you filed a new one ?
[13:02] <ogra> will do once the upgrade is through
[13:02] <ogra> oh, it didnt hang for me
[13:05] <ogra> hal start/running, process 1871
[13:05] <ogra> Richte libboo2.0-cil ein (<IP_ADDRESS>60+dfsg-1) ...
[13:05] <ogra> * Installing 7 assemblies from libboo2.0-cil into Mono
[13:05] <ogra> Richte libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil ein (0.9.0-1) ...
[13:05] <ogra> * Installing 5 assemblies from libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil into Mono
[13:05] <ogra> lool, ^^^
[13:06] <lool> I suspect some cache is preventing the issue; it didn't hang for me on second try
[13:12] <ogra> lool, so what do i do with the new redboot, it completely drops B1 (while our current package has still the B1 binary available)
[13:12]  * ogra isnt sure we want to completely drop it
[13:53] <lool> ogra: I dont strongly care
[13:53] <lool> ogra: there are some B1 out there, but then mine has been collecting dusts in the last months
[13:53] <lool> It's not running anymore since it was only running from SD
[13:54] <lool> ogra: So if you feel like readding B1 support or forking the package/tree, you could; I suspect post karmic we really dont care anymore
[13:54] <lool> We only cared because we copy them in our install media, and we dont have any for B1
[13:54] <lool> ogra: Unless you want to add SD card images for B1 in d-i?
[14:01] <xbox> Hi there is there a way to "put " the capacity of my USB1.1 device to 10 mb/s instead of 1.2mb/s by using other or different parameters for ehci_hcd andor ohci_hcd module?
[14:02] <xbox> any help and or suggestions is appriciated
[14:25] <ogra> lool, well, redboot-install can still use it
[14:25] <ogra> though there is no kernel in karmic anyway
[14:27] <lool> ogra: redboot-install can use any binary, right?
[14:27] <lool> ogra: so it could use a binary from jaunty, or from an older karmic .deb or from FSL or locally built
[14:27] <ogra> yep
[14:27] <ogra> indeed
[14:28] <ogra> just needs to be unpadded
[14:28] <lool> I dont think we need to bother providing B1 support if it's at the expense of a lot of time spent on that job or lesser B2.x support
[14:28] <lool> But I can't really say how long it would be
[14:28] <lool> If it's easy to keep B1 support, keep it
[14:31] <ogra> well, i just wouldnt upgrade
[14:31] <ogra> there are three fixes th the new redboot though
[14:32] <ogra>    + Update the DDR setup for MX51 TO 3.0 on 3-stack platform
[14:32] <ogra>    + Drop support for MX51 Babbage 1.0 & MX51 Rocky
[14:32] <ogra>    + Fix the I2C driver
[14:32] <ogra>    + Update the DDR setup for MX51 Babbage Platform
[14:32] <lool> it gets us 3.0 support IOW
[14:32] <lool> So between B1 and B3 support I'd personally pick 3,0
[14:32] <ogra> we have 3.0 support already
[14:33] <lool> especially since 3.0 works with out kernels already!!
[14:33] <lool> Yeah
[14:33] <ogra> it just improves DDR and I2C handling
[14:34] <armin76> babbage 3.0?
[14:34] <lool> yup
[14:35]  * armin76 volunteers to get used 2.0 and 1.0 babbage :P
[14:37] <ogra> hmm, i wonder why xplash seems to init the audio device
[14:37] <ogra> i hear a clear power-on cracking in the headphones when xsplash comes up
[14:38] <playya_> to hear the jeopardy music while booting?
[14:38] <playya_> s/music/melody/
[14:40] <ogra> heh
[14:40] <ogra> no, it needs to be either knight rider ot the galactica theme :)
[14:41] <ogra> lool, so even after upgrade banshee shows the same behavior ... but at least the vorbis errors are gone in the debug output
[14:43] <ogra> on a sidenote i'm playing radio in RB and pulse doesnt seem to go above 5-9% CPU usage ... that contradicts what i always hear from FSL (pulse eats all CPU)
[14:45] <amitk> ogra: I changed the code to overclock the CPU. It'll burn out as soon as support ends. :-p
[14:45] <ogra> haha
[14:45] <ogra> well, until then it makes a fine radio :)
[14:46]  * amitk wants to see ogra carry that board around in his pocket
[14:47] <ogra> just needs a long power cable
[14:47] <ogra> hmm, and ethernet ...
[14:49] <suihkulokki> big, esd-protected pocket?
[14:49] <ogra> well, i think i'll stay with my n900 rather
[14:55] <ogra> amitk, so i just tried to test your kernel from the I/O bug
[14:55] <ogra> and get an oops right after unpacking
[14:56] <amitk> ogra: pastebin?
[14:57] <ogra> just attaching serial
[14:58] <ogra> amitk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/293984/
[14:59] <NCommander> lool,  I think I wrote -I 128 on te wiki page by accident over -b 4096 when I went through all my IRC logs. I'll re-ask maen on this today to confirm
[14:59] <NCommander> bbiab
[15:00] <lool> NCommander: You mean the other way around
[15:00] <lool> NCommander: maen confirmed in a recent bug
[15:03] <amitk> ogra: nice, it didn't seem to like FSL's recommendation of turning off OTG
[15:05] <amitk> infact, even their defconfig keeps it on (which is what I used for our configs)
[15:32] <ogra> lool, hmm, doesnt look like slangasek likes the idea of a redboot upload
[15:33] <ogra> (see -release)
[15:36] <bjf> maen, ping
[15:47] <ogra> lool, do you have any news from Jamie about cdrdao ?
[15:47] <ogra> its still FTBFS
[15:48] <lool> No
[15:48] <lool> ogra: I think he has limited connectivity
[15:49] <ogra> yeah, he said something about CELF
[15:49] <ogra> i'm just worried we dont get it fixced in time
[16:50] <zooko> Hey, does anybody want to write a little bit of ARM assembly for me?  I want an optimized implementation of http://cubehash.cr.yp.to/ .  Pretty please?
[16:53] <lool> maen: Hola
[16:53] <lool> bjf: Pole
[16:54] <lool> *poke
[16:54] <bjf> lool, here
[16:54] <lool> maen: So checkout https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove
[16:54] <lool> maen: In the last upload, bjf rebased the dove tree on the latest stable updates from upstream
[16:54] <lool> (kernel.org)
[16:54] <lool> maen: He did not change anything dove specific
[16:54] <lool> But that regressed on Y0 with DDR2
[16:55] <lool> Y1 and Y0 with DDR3 (what he had) still work
[16:55] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/450940
[16:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 450940 in linux-mvl-dove "Regression in linux-mvl-dove 207 and later causes Y0 boards to hang seconds after booting" [High,In progress]
[16:55] <lool> Thats the regression
[16:56] <bjf> lool, as far as I know we only have one Y0 with DDR3 and even our Y1s only have DDR2
[16:56] <lool> Yes, correct
[16:56] <lool> bjf: "Y1, and Y0 with DDR3" is what I meant
[16:56] <bjf> lool, gotcha
[16:56] <lool> I mean I dont want to speak for the memory config of Y1 we use, but they work :)
[17:02] <maen> Hey lool
[17:02] <maen> regarding Dove Y0 hang
[17:03] <lool> Yeah
[17:03] <lool> We only updated the kernel
[17:03] <maen> in latest patches we have pushed to git, we have enabled cpuIdle by default
[17:03] <lool> Which is why I dont understand why it would be related to hw setup
[17:03] <lool> maen: I dont think we merged these though
[17:03] <lool> bjf: ^
[17:04] <maen> I will explain , please be patient
[17:04] <lool> NCommander: You had the issue too, plesae follow discussion here
[17:04] <lool> maen: Don't worry, just getting the attention of the relevant people
[17:04] <lool> (*I* dont see the bug)
[17:04] <maen> Dove Y0 original BOOTROM has a bug with deepIdle PM mode
[17:05] <bjf> maen, when were these changes pushed to git?
[17:05] <lool> 18:04 < NCommander> lool, rtg, bjf successful start and login with 208 kernel  to the desktop
[17:05] <lool> 18:04 < NCommander> The problem completely goes away if you flash a new bootrom
[17:05]  * NCommander guess lool said it for me
[17:05] <bjf> lool, wow!
[17:05] <lool> NCommander: So we need to update the install process to cover this
[17:06] <lool> maen: Thanks
[17:06] <bjf> maen, thanks
[17:06] <NCommander> lool, if future kernels though are tied to newer BootROM updates, then we need a mechanism to update the ROM on the fly
[17:06] <lool> NCommander: please comment in the bug
[17:06] <maen> so for Dove Y1 all boards are released with a new BOOTROM already so you will not have this issue
[17:06] <maen> for Dove Y0 you should update the bootrom
[17:06] <lool> NCommander: and point the bug at instructions to upgrade the BOOTROM when you have them on the wiki
[17:06] <maen> latest comment, please read release notes
[17:07] <lool> NCommander: I dont think it's a reasonnable seem to update the bootrom automatically
[17:07] <lool> I prefer a documentation fix here
[17:07] <maen> btw, for the new U-Boot that we will release for you next week I hope with Hush Parser script, we also will release a new BOOTROM
[17:07] <maen> this BOOTROM will support boot from UART with DDR3 support
[17:07] <lool> maen: Is it required to update to this new bootrom?
[17:08] <maen> NCommander will need it for UART boot with boards that have DDR3
[17:08] <maen> It also will fix some issues with NAND boot
[17:08] <maen> so I recommend you use it
[17:08] <NCommander> bjf, care to test the upgrade BootROM fix before I rewrite all our docs? (I'll also be moving to standardize us to SPI booting again)
[17:09] <bjf> NCommander, you want to give me the steps that you want to put into the docs and i can run through them and verify?
[17:09] <bjf> NCommander, sounds good to me
[17:09] <NCommander> bjf, change SW7 on your board to boot from SPI versus NAND
[17:10] <bjf> NCommander, ok, you already have that documented, just a sec
[17:10] <NCommander> bjf, then powercycle the board into marvell's u-boot
[17:10] <lool> maen: Ok
[17:11] <bjf> NCommander, ok, i'm there
[17:12] <NCommander> bjf, http://people.canonical.com/~mcasadevall/dove/experimental/dove_bootrom_2_01_spi_0x1.img - dump this into your TFTP folder
[17:13] <bjf> NCommander, done
[17:14] <NCommander> bjf, tftp 2000000 dove_bootrom_2_01_spi_0x1.img
[17:14] <NCommander> protect off f87f0000 f8800000
[17:14] <NCommander> erase f87f0000 f8800000
[17:14] <NCommander> cp.b 2000000 f87f0000 10000
[17:14] <NCommander> protect on f87f0000 f8800000
[17:15] <bjf> NCommander, will take just a sec, tftp not config'd correctly on dove
[17:16] <NCommander> bjf, In case your wondering, the magic numbers here describe where the BootROM on SPI is loaded from; specifically the very tail end of the chip which is normally write protected. The reset strap controls if the SoC uses the SPI bootrom or not
[17:16] <bjf> NCommander, reset strap?
[17:17] <NCommander> bjf, thats what the Marvell calls SW:1-5, which controls where the SoC tries to load the IPL
[17:17] <NCommander> &SW7:1-5
[17:17] <bjf> NCommander, ok
[17:18] <bjf> NCommander, all done, what's next
[17:18] <NCommander> bjf, reset and pray
[17:19] <NCommander> bjf, if you were successful, there should be a new boot message in u-boot
[17:19] <bjf> NCommander, I change SW7 back to NAND right?
[17:19] <NCommander> bjf, no
[17:19] <NCommander> bjf, right, ok, we need to install the new bootloader to SPI
[17:19] <NCommander> bjf, basically, BootROMs need to match where your booting from. So a BootROM for SPI, BootROM for NAND
[17:19] <NCommander> etc.
[17:19] <lool> NCommander: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/435151 updated
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435151 in linux-mvl-dove "dove kernel requires mem=512M to use all available memory" [Low,Triaged]
[17:20] <lool> NCommander: please test with latest uboot and without mem=512m
[17:20] <NCommander> bjf, since we need to use SPI u-boot for Y1, I want to move to that on Y0, and save us all a lot of confusion
[17:20] <lool> NCommander: should wokr on all Y0s and Y1s
[17:20] <NCommander> lool, k
[17:20] <NCommander> bjf, let me just upload a new u-boot binary for you to flash
[17:20] <bjf> NCommander, where should I see a new boot message?
[17:20] <NCommander> bjf, BootROM version (on chip)= 1.07
[17:20] <NCommander> BootROM version (upgrade on SPI)= 2.01
[17:20] <NCommander> bjf, just before the countdown to run the bootcmd
[17:21] <lool> plars: I'd also love you testing dropping the mem=512m thing if you have latest uboot
[17:21] <lool> (I dont but should)
[17:21] <lool> plars: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mvl-dove/+bug/435151
[17:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 435151 in linux-mvl-dove "dove kernel requires mem=512M to use all available memory" [Low,Triaged]
[17:22] <plars> lool: yes, I had planned to, I just got the latest from NCommander yesterday
[17:23] <bjf> NCommander, I'm just not seeing it (the BootROM version)
[17:23] <bjf> NCommander, I see a BootROM Status:
[17:23] <NCommander> bjf, what is SW7 set at
[17:23] <NCommander> if SW1 is off, it will disregard the BootROM in SPI
[17:23] <bjf> NCommander, SPI
[17:24] <NCommander> bjf, might just need a new u-boot binary in SPI. That's probably the stock one
[17:24] <NCommander> bjf, grab this: http://people.canonical.com/~mcasadevall/dove/experimental/y0/uboot-SPI-Y0-512M-10152009.bin
[17:24] <NCommander> bjf, and then bubt uboot-SPI-Y0-512M-10152009.bin
[17:24] <NCommander> Press Y to reset the environment when prompted
[17:25] <bjf> NCommander, ok, that helped:
[17:25]  * armin76 wants dove
[17:26] <bjf> BootROM version (on chip)= 1.07
[17:26] <bjf> BootROM version (upgrade on SPI)= 2.01
[17:26] <NCommander> bjf, try booting now
[17:26] <bjf> NCommander, switching SW7 back to NAND and then booting right?
[17:26] <NCommander> bjf, no, leave it on SPI
[17:27] <NCommander> bjf, the SW7 just says where u-boot is loaded from, and I want to standardize Y0 and Y1's bootloaders
[17:27] <bjf> NCommander, gotcha
[17:27] <bjf> NCommander, looks like it's trying
[17:27] <NCommander> bjf, \o/
[17:28] <bjf> NCommander, have desktop, however this is still an old kernel, so I'm going to dist-upgrade and see how that goes
[17:29] <NCommander> bjf, at least its not a brick ;-)
[18:04] <NCommander> bjf, did it manage to boot a 208 kernel from the desktop?
[18:05] <maen> Ncommander/lool , start of next week we will release a new U-Boot that will support Ubuntu boot script, and ext2 patch from the mainline, and will include a new BOOTROM binaries, I need that you test it asap and let us know if it is good for you, that should be Sunday or Monday
[18:05] <bjf> NCommander, I'm just going to boot 207 first...
[18:05] <NCommander> maen, are BootROM binaries going to be a usual upgrade thing from here on out?
[18:06] <maen> this should be the latest upgrade before next dove revision.
[18:06] <NCommander> maen, is that X0?
[18:06] <maen> but if we will find any issue we will upgrade the boorom again
[18:06] <maen> Yes that is X0
[18:07] <NCommander> maen, is there a sane way to upgrade the BootROM on SPI from userland?
[18:08] <bjf> NCommander, 207.15 booted up just fine
[18:08] <NCommander> bjf, \o/
[18:09] <maen> Ncommander, with some effort that is possible, but it is not on our list of todo
[18:09] <NCommander> maen, thats what I thought
[18:10] <NCommander> maen, do you know if a Y[0-1] kernel will work on a X0 or too early to tell?
[18:11] <lool> maen: We dont work on sunday though
[18:11] <lool> maen: but we might be around nevertheless
[18:11] <ogra> haha
[18:12]  * NCommander notes that ones Sunday availability is directly proportional to ones life
[18:12] <NCommander> AKA, I'll be here :/
[18:13] <maen> Ncommander, I am not sure if Y0/1 kernel will work on X0
[18:15] <NCommander> ^- lool
[18:15] <lool> maen: So machine id will change?
[18:15] <lool> NCommander: Anyway, not a big deal for us anyway
[18:15] <lool> NCommander: Did you ever try kexec on dove?
[18:15]  * NCommander coughs
[18:15] <lool> NCommander: Did you ever try kexec on dove?
[18:16] <NCommander> lool, don't remember if I did or didn't
[18:16] <bjf> NCommander, 208.16 boots, just need to figure out what the usb issue is
[18:16] <NCommander> bjf, might be pendrive related.
[18:17] <NCommander> lool, well, it could be an issue if we want to support Y series and X series at the same time since we then need a new method of telling them apart
[18:19] <lool> NCommander: We only care about differing /proc.cpuinfo Hardware info
[18:20] <NCommander> lool, which is if the kernel will change I hope the /proc/cpuinfo (aka ARM mach_id) changes
[18:21]  * NCommander is only partially sure that the Hardware field comes fromt he SoC though
[18:27] <maen> lool, machine id will depend if we will have a new board for X0 or not, and if we have the same board then if we can support both revisions in runtime or compilation time
[18:27] <maen> lool, lets wait and see
[18:28] <NCommander> maen, w.r.t. to getting memory info from u-boot, without mem=512M, only about 381M is used
[18:28] <NCommander> maen, on a 1CS board. a 2CS board uses ~850M
[18:29] <maen> yes because of memory allocated for Graphics and Video
[18:29] <maen> if you are not supporting graphics in your release you can disable this
[18:31] <NCommander> maen, ??? but setting mem=512M allows full use of RAM with graphics, without issue.
[18:32] <maen> yes thats right, but then graphics will use kernel memory and you graphics will not work
[18:34] <maen> so if you are not using graphics, it is better to disable graphics and Video
[18:34] <maen> diff --git a/arch/arm/configs/dove_defconfig b/.config
[18:34] <maen> old mode 100755
[18:34] <maen> new mode 100644
[18:34] <maen> index 2d0fa70..3859fed
[18:34] <maen> --- a/arch/arm/configs/dove_defconfig
[18:34] <maen> +++ b/.config
[18:34] <maen> @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
[18:34] <maen>  #
[18:34] <maen>  # Automatically generated make config: don't edit
[18:34] <maen>  # Linux kernel version: <IP_ADDRESS>-dove-3.2.0
[18:34] <maen> -# Sun Oct 11 14:53:15 2009
[18:34] <maen> +# Thu Oct 15 19:16:33 2009
[18:34] <maen>  #
[18:34] <maen>  CONFIG_ARM=y
[18:34] <maen>  CONFIG_SYS_SUPPORTS_APM_EMULATION=y
[18:34] <maen> @@ -1571,8 +1571,7 @@ CONFIG_USB_S2255=m
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_DRM is not set
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_VGASTATE is not set
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_VIDEO_OUTPUT_CONTROL is not set
[18:34] <maen> -CONFIG_DOVE_GPU=y
[18:34] <maen> -CONFIG_DOVE_GPU_MEM_SIZE=128
[18:34] <maen> +# CONFIG_DOVE_GPU is not set
[18:34] <maen>  CONFIG_FB=y
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID is not set
[18:34] <maen>  CONFIG_FB_DDC=y
[18:34] <maen> @@ -2098,9 +2097,7 @@ CONFIG_UIO_PDRV=y
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_UIO_SMX is not set
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_UIO_AEC is not set
[18:34] <maen>  # CONFIG_UIO_SERCOS3 is not set
[18:34] <maen> -CONFIG_UIO_DOVE_VMETA=y
[18:34] <maen> -CONFIG_UIO_DOVE_VMETA_MEM_SIZE=96
[18:35] <maen> -CONFIG_VMETA_NEW=y
[18:35] <maen> +# CONFIG_UIO_DOVE_VMETA is not set
[18:35] <maen>  # CONFIG_STAGING is not set
[18:35] <maen>  #
[18:35] <NCommander> ^- bjf, lool.
[18:37] <bjf> NCommander, write up a bug, post a patch and we can consider it for SRU :-)
[18:37] <NCommander> bjf, no, I'm saying we might want/need to drop mem=512M if we're using the GPU
[18:39] <NCommander> maen, when you say graphics, are you referring to video output all together, or just GPU usage?
[18:39] <bjf> NCommander, ah! hmmm, yes reading the scrollback that sounds right (that we shouldn't be setting mem=512M)
[18:39] <NCommander> bjf, but are we using the GPU?
[18:39] <NCommander> I rather not loose a good chuck of RAM if we're not compiling support in
[18:42] <bjf> NCommander, right now we are configured to use the GPU, I though there were apps that took advantage of it
[18:42] <NCommander> bjf, ok, so I'll make mem=512M disappear
[18:43] <bjf> CONFIG_DOVE_GPU=y
[18:43] <bjf> CONFIG_DOVE_GPU_MEM_SIZE=128
[18:44] <bjf> CONFIG_UIO_DOVE_VMETA=m
[18:44] <bjf> CONFIG_UIO_DOVE_VMETA_MEM_SIZE=34
[18:44] <bjf> CONFIG_VMETA_NEW=y
[18:45] <bjf> our VMETA_MEM_SIZE is different from what maen reports, don't know if that is an issue
[19:29] <maen> Ncommader, graphics =GPU  video= Vmeta , if you are not using them currently then disable them from the defconfig file
[19:29] <maen> We have update Vemta to 96 to support 1080p videos
[19:33] <bjf> maen, thanks for the info


[00:06] <KI7MT> dsmythies, was just reading you comments on a proposed merge .. to review them, do you bzr branch the repo to review them or review online?
[00:16] <dsmythies> KI7MT, What I do is best described by in the serverguide documentation commiters how to page, which I also use a little as a reference for desktop work.
[00:16] <dsmythies> link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members-Serverguide
[00:16] <dsmythies> there is also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository/Members
[00:18] <dsmythies> Furthermore, sometimes other opinions are desired and/or I need to be absolutley sure an eventual update to help.ubuntu.com will not break things, so I have almost a mirror copy of help.ubtunu.com
[00:18] <dsmythies> on my test server.
[00:20] <KI7MT> Ok will have a read there. My server is busying mirroring Trusty right now .. I was thinking about doing the same with help.ubuntu.com
[00:20] <dsmythies> I do not publize that URL , but I will change that to my main server soon. I'll e-mail you the URL is you want.
[00:21] <dsmythies> I do not publize that URL , but I will change that to my main server soon. I'll e-mail you the URL if you want.
[00:21] <KI7MT> Ok, there's no hurry, I have a ton of things to read and get my head around at the moment. Was jsut curious of the workflow on commits.
[00:23] <dsmythies> Note that help.ubuntu.com is an enormous bzr branch. Why? Because it contains all languages.
[00:24] <KI7MT> I wish there was a way to filter that to a spcific Lang .. but not sure that can be done.
[00:26] <dsmythies> If you just want English or one other language or whatever, then my suggestion is that you build it yourself rather than download the bzr branch...
[00:28] <dsmythies> help.ubuntu.com is merely the two docs, desktop guide and serverguide, compiled as html (plus serverguide pdf) and put together with about 4 or 5 glue files...
[00:29] <KI7MT> cd ..
[00:29] <dsmythies> Of course, help.ubuntu.com is also several releases (13.10, 13.04, ...)
[00:29] <belkinsa> Would the program Meld help with this or is this more for the wiki folks?
[00:29] <KI7MT> whoops .. was in the wrong wind :-)
[00:30] <dsmythies> belkinsa, I do not know.
[00:30] <belkinsa> Okay, I was just wondering.
[00:57] <dsmythies> KI7MT, earlier I assume you were looking at MP #200074. Did you notice the comment added by Gunner? If you use Ubuntu DekTop edition, it is probably a much easier way to check things, using yelp.
[00:57] <dsmythies> link: https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu-docs/addremove/+merge/200074
[00:59] <KI7MT> Yes, that's where Im at, looking at the merge proposal, but how to you see just the changes he made?
[01:00] <knome> KI7MT, scroll down or click the green text after "diff against target" (which scrolls down for you)
[01:02] <KI7MT> Ahh got it, Diff Against target, that's what I was looking for, thanx
[01:03] <dsmythies> KI7MT, sorry I thought you were wanting to oberve the final format...
[01:03] <dsmythies> the colored diff is quite useful.
[01:23] <shaunm> dsmythies: I'm around now
[01:31] <dsmythies> shaunm, some time ago Matthew East suggested I contact you about some upstream yelp-tools issues. Also, I know you were working with Kevin Godby on some upsteam issues...
[01:32] <dsmythies> after 13.10 was finished I entered 3 (I think it was) upsteam bug reports. One has been fixed, but I do not know if it is included in 14.04 yet...
[01:32] <dsmythies> reference: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709951
[01:32] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 709951 in yelp-build "yelp build ignores conditionals when creating file copy list" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[01:33] <dsmythies> I need a moment to find the other links.
[01:35] <dsmythies> there is also: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709943  but we currently have a good workaround for that one.
[01:35] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 709943 in DocBook "yelp-xsl/xslt/common/html.xsl missing a fundamental docbook tag conversion" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:38] <dsmythies> and this one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709958
[01:38] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 709958 in yelp-build "yelp-note-advanced.png is wanted but is not there" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:40] <dsmythies> I was wondering: For the first one, how do I know when it is included in Ubuntu 14.04?; for the others (well, 709958 at least) is there any way to get some attention for them?
[01:44] <dsmythies> shaumn, I have to be away from my desk for awhile.
[03:56] <godbyk> dsmythies: I used this .page file originally to test the platform checks in Yelp: <http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-doc/platform-test.page>
[03:56] <godbyk> dsmythies: Using yelp version 3.8.1 in Ubuntu 13.10, I get the following result: <http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-doc/platform-test.png>
[04:10] <dsmythies> godby: O.K. thanks.
[04:18] <godbyk> dsmythies: np
[06:13] <dsmythies> shaunm: Thanks for looking at those bug reports and adding comments (although, not sure I understand the comment on 709943).
[13:43] <shaunm> dsmythies: the comment on 709943 is mostly a reminder to myself on what caused the problem
[14:12] <KI7MT_> shaunm, have you eve looked into an application called asciidoc http://asciidoc.org  ?
[14:12] <KI7MT_> *ever
[14:27] <shaunm> KI7MT_: a little bit. I know it has mallard support
[14:27] <shaunm> haven't tried to author anything substantial in it
[14:29] <KI7MT_> shaunm, I was thinking about putting something together for it. I've used it allot, and sure is easy for new folks to contrib simple test files.
[14:29] <KI7MT_> *text
[14:30] <shaunm> oh, actually, the program with mallard support is asciidoctor
[14:31] <shaunm> which I think is maybe an alternative implementation? not sure
[14:31] <KI7MT_> Yeah, that's a Ruby / Rails port of asciidoc
[14:52] <dsmythies> shaunm: Thanks for the clarification.
[16:10] <Kriti_> Hi everyone, I'm Kriti. I'm interested in contributing to FOSS but have no idea how to get started. Any help?
[16:10] <belkinsa> Hey there, what skills do you have?
[16:13] <belkinsa> Kriti_,: Do you have coding/developing skills, design skills, or documentation skills? You can also join your LoCo (local community) and they can help you either in IRC or on the mailing list.  Also, if you a woman, you can join #ubuntu-women and we can help you.
[16:14] <belkinsa> And if you are non-English speaker, you can work on translating.
[16:15] <belkinsa> One more thing: if you use another favour, you can work there also
[16:16] <belkinsa> I hope that helps you, but if you still have questions, you can ask here.
[16:17] <belkinsa> http://community.ubuntu.com/ is also a good guide that can help you, Kriti_.
[16:24] <Kriti_> I am good at HTML, CSS, jQuery, Python, C++ and Ruby. Learning PHP and Rails presently. I have built webpages.
[16:25] <Kriti_> Thank you for the guidance :)
[16:25] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[16:26] <belkinsa> I don't know what you can with your skills, but I know that there could be wiki pages that could have what you worked with that could be updated.
[16:26] <belkinsa> eagles0513875 ping
[16:26] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: pong ding dong :P
[16:26] <belkinsa> You work with building websites, right?
[16:26] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: yes
[16:26] <eagles0513875> whats up
[16:26] <belkinsa> Could this skill be used within the Ubuntu community?
[16:26] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: depends
[16:27] <eagles0513875> are they using a CMS such as plone silverstripe etc
[16:27] <belkinsa> Do you know the project and the team for that?
[16:27] <eagles0513875> no sadly i do not
[16:27] <eagles0513875> but let me finish my thought here
[16:27] <belkinsa> Alright
[16:27] <eagles0513875> i think whats lacking and it would involve collaboration with canonical themselves tbh to get the community to contribute to a website rewrite
[16:27] <eagles0513875> and i dont think they would be very willing
[16:28] <eagles0513875> i dunno anything is possible though
[16:29] <eagles0513875> balloons: ping
[16:29] <knome> Kriti_, let's put it this way: do you want to work with websites, or would something else scratch your itch?
[16:29] <belkinsa> Well, the only thing that I can only think of is learning MoinMoin and help us clean up the wiki, Kriti_.
[16:29] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: balloons or mhall119 might be able to help
[16:29] <belkinsa> balloons and mhall119: ping
[16:29]  * balloons floats in
[16:30] <belkinsa> We have a new one that has website coding/building skills and want to get  involved in the FOSS/Ubuntu community? Do you have any suggestions?
[16:31] <mhall119> hi belkinsa
[16:32] <belkinsa> See what I said above your reply.
[16:35] <balloons> I'll defer to mhall119 on this one.
[16:36] <mhall119> belkinsa: what kind of web work did you want to do?
[16:36] <belkinsa> It's not me, it's Kriti_.
[16:42] <belkinsa> Kriti_, thanks for giving me an idea for something on community.ubuntu.com page.   Idea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1266843
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1266843 in Ubuntu Community Website "IDEA: User Stories of How They Got Involved" [Undecided,New]
[17:26] <phillw> belkinsa: there are still some CSS issues accross wiki and help that could do with sorting. In many ways, they are a paper cut but it does need referring to RT with a ticket. (afaik, I got one accepted as fixed, but the other languished). It is for itallics / etc (the variations of emphasised text).
[17:27] <belkinsa> I was trying to help someone but they left.
[17:27] <phillw> belkinsa: me ready to pounce next time :D
[17:27] <phillw> s/me/be
[17:28] <phillw> not me... - you :D
[17:28] <belkinsa> I see.
[17:28] <belkinsa> I hope that they are working on how to get involved with the comminuty.
[17:29] <phillw> I did some stuff on this, got some css corrected and accepted... and then the 'urgency' seemed to go. The errors are still there.
[23:14] <KI7MT> GA All  ,, was reviewing a few things from the spreadsheet this afternoon on a fresh 14.04 VM. If we need top propose changes to a particular file, should we leave the Original Author information in tack or what is the appropriate way to handle?


[00:58] <mrdeb> what is new in 1110
[01:01] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:19] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:33] <alex_mayorga> !icedtea
[02:35] <alex_mayorga> Who do I talk to get the new version of Icedtea packaged?
[04:43] <alkisg> Is there any way to do the equivalent of `aptitude why package` with the packages available by default on oneiric? (e.g. apt-get)
[05:12] <IdleOne> alkisg: install apt-rdepends. I'm not sure that is exactly what you want but I think it is.
[05:13] <alkisg> IdleOne: so it cannot be done with the packages available by default on oneiric? OK, thanks, I can just install aptitude again then :)
[05:14] <IdleOne> I'm not sure
[05:14] <IdleOne> should be
[05:16] <IdleOne> alkisg: the output of apt-rdepends is much more detailed than aptitude why
[05:17] <alkisg> IdleOne: AFAIK apt-rdepends lists the dependencies, but not why a package was installed
[05:17] <alkisg> So it won't tell you if you manually installed a package, or if it was installed because of the dependency list
[05:18] <IdleOne> true
[05:18] <alkisg> I'm looking for the second case :)
[05:19] <IdleOne> but aren't depends installed automatically
[05:20] <alkisg> apt-get purge --auto-remove package-a
[05:20] <alkisg> If package-a depends on package-b, and nothing else depends on package-b, then package-b will be removed,
[05:21] <alkisg> *unless* you manually installed package-b
[05:21] <alkisg> There are cases where that last part is significant...
[05:21] <alkisg> E.g. I may want to know why dnsmasq is still on my system after removing ltsp-server. aptitude why wlil tell me that I installed it myself.
[05:22] <IdleOne> makes sense
[09:55] <photon> God, what have you guys done to ubuntu with unity?
[09:56] <photon> Is there any way I can install Ubuntu with Gnome?
[10:10] <cwillu> photon, you know that gnome is also breaking gnome these days, right?
[10:10] <cwillu> (i.e., "classic gnome" is going away upstream, apparently)
[10:10] <cwillu> this is probably as good a time as any to migrate to xfce or kde :p
[10:17] <elros> photon, you can take the plunge, upgrade to oneiric, install gnome-shell and then remove ubuntu-desktop and unity
[10:18] <elros> or you can install lxde and wait a few months for gnome to get fixed, fall in love with lxde and forget about gnome altogether
[10:20] <photon> why does gnome need fixing? and how well will Ubuntu work with a non-default wm?
[10:40] <elros> ubuntu works well with all kinds of window managers, and very well supported ones get official status, like kubuntu and xubuntu now have
[10:41] <elros> lubuntu (based on lxde) is likely to get official status in this cycle, you can join #lubuntu if you have questions about it
[10:41] <photon> thank you, elros
[13:16] <eagles0513875> hi guys :D
[13:16] <eagles0513875> apw: spoke too soon i dont have wifi now :(
[13:33] <eagles0513875> apw: network widget on kde is broken again lol then again nothing new lol
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:44] <yofel> eagles0513875: that *is* on the known issues list :P
[14:03] <eagles0513875> yofel: when is that widget not on the known issues list
[14:04] <yofel> you have a point there...
[14:26] <charlie-tca> Lost all sound, sound card, locale, and path in Oneiric?
[14:27] <charlie-tca> seems that path in /etc/environment, /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/login.def, and ~/.bashrc are now ignored
[14:53] <CarlFK> I am getting a kernel crash on shutdown.  where can I hook a script to start netconsole early in the shutdown process?
[15:42] <Ian_Corne> anyone know where unity goes to look for the icon it displays in an application?
[15:54] <coz_> Ian_Corne,   probably in /usr/share/icons
[15:54] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  somtimes   /usr/share/pixmaps
[15:55] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  if the application is not in the default list of icons  it will be in /usr/share/pixmaps,, in other words,, if the onboard icons dont have an icon for that particular application,, it "generally" will be in /usr/share/pixmaps
[15:56] <Ian_Corne> I'm trying to give eclipse the eclipse icon :)
[15:58] <Ian_Corne> it should look in the executable's dir  for an icon if it doesn't find it tbh
[15:59] <coz_> Ian_Corne,  oh hmm.. which icon is it using?  a default one?
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> it was using a square with a question mark in
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> "sudo ln -s /opt/eclipse/icon.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps/eclipse.xpm" fixed it
[16:12]  * cwillu_at_work makes /opt a fuse mount that tracks down and stabs the creator of any packages that end up there
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> package?
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> hah, i put it there myself :p
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> what's wrong with it?
[19:44] <ScislaC> Is gnome-settings-daemon known to have issues for others currently?
[19:45] <ScislaC> (I'm assuming it's the issue as everything is unthemed)
[19:46] <trism> ScislaC: try installing gnome-themes-standard, there aren't many gtk 3 themes in the repo yet
[19:48] <ScislaC> trism: ahhhh, will do
[22:15] <SudoKing> i get 404 errors when I dist-upgrade
[22:30] <Andre_Gondim> SudoKing, try change your mirror


[11:51] <jquintana> heya
[16:52] <sheka> hello, after a fresh install of 22.04 i have no sound from my built in speakers, i swapped from windows so brand new, any help is very much appreciated
[16:56] <xangua> By brand new, you mean brand new computer from 2024?
[16:56] <xangua> 2024 model*
[17:00] <sheka> nah
[17:00] <sheka> https://gatewayusa.com/GWTC116-2.html
[17:01] <sheka> the os runs smooth though
[17:01] <sheka> trying to figure out how to test camera too
[17:02] <tomreyn> you can install package alsa-util and run    sudo alsa-info    and then post the link it prints
[17:02] <tomreyn> (this would be about audio)
[17:02] <sheka> k, one sec
[17:03] <sheka> hmm, so sudo apt alsa-util
[17:04] <tomreyn> sudo apt update && sudo apt install alsa-util && sudo alsa-info
[17:04] <tomreyn> sudo apt update && sudo apt install alsa-utils && sudo alsa-info
[17:04] <tomreyn> ^ this actually, sorry sheka
[17:06] <sheka> sheka@xubu:~$ sudo apt update && sudo apt install alsa-util && sudo alsa-info
[17:06] <sheka> Ign:1 cdrom://Xubuntu 22.04.4 LTS _Jammy Jellyfish_ - Release amd64 (20240216.1) jammy InRelease
[17:06] <sheka> Err:2 cdrom://Xubuntu 22.04.4 LTS _Jammy Jellyfish_ - Release amd64 (20240216.1) jammy Release
[17:06] <sheka>   Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[17:06] <sheka> Hit:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
[17:06] <sheka> Hit:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates InRelease
[17:09] <sheka> https://dpaste.com/6TVWVR7QX
[17:10] <tomreyn> raw: https://dpaste.com/6TVWVR7QX.txt
[17:13] <sheka> https://dpaste.com/7H5Z5ZNPC
[17:13] <sheka> the alsa-info
[17:15] <tomreyn> sheka: run   software-properties-gtk   and, in the lower section, "installable from CD-ROM/DVD", disable the tickbox.
[17:16] <tomreyn> please also share the contents of the text file stored at /tmp/alsa-info . one way to do so is with this command:  nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/alsa-info
[17:19] <sheka> k, one sec
[17:22] <sheka> https://termbin.com/ligv
[17:26] <sheka> https://termbin.com/tgdf, did that also
[17:30] <tomreyn> hmm, it does not seem to get along with your onboard audio device 8086:3198 too well
[17:30] <tomreyn> i assume you also have no sound if you connect headphones?
[17:31] <sheka> https://termbin.com/wfon
[17:31] <sheka> let me check one sec
[17:32] <tomreyn> to upload images (as you tried at https://termbin.com/tgdf ), use imgur.com or a similar image hosting site
[17:33] <tomreyn> same goes for https://termbin.com/wfon
[17:33] <sheka> oh
[17:34] <sheka> ya nothing with headphones
[17:35] <sheka> https://imgur.com/a/IZSUSHo
[17:35] <sheka> the blue bar moves like it's wanting to make sound
[17:37] <tomreyn> it's trying to send audio output to a HDMI or Displayport monitor there
[17:38] <tomreyn> attaching such an external monitor would likely give you sound through that monitor
[17:39] <tomreyn> it does not detect the onboard audio chipset, though, and thus currently can't send audio output to your installed speakers or the headphones
[17:39] <sheka> sounds right
[17:40] <sheka> well gotta go for now tyvm


[00:00] <pwnguin> __mikem: for what purpose?
[00:00] <__mikem> i want to see what I have to look forward to
[00:00] <pwnguin> im not sure the current theme is going to be the representative
[00:01] <__mikem> I've been on the edge of my seat since i heard they were replacing the theme
[00:01] <pwnguin> as i understand it, a stand in was pushed out simply to generate discussion about dark themes
[00:02] <pwnguin> a screenshot wouldn't do justice to the problem
[00:02] <__mikem> I was hoping they would be using this one http://tombuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/gelatin.jpg
[00:02] <pwnguin> was that anything more than a mockup?
[00:03] <__mikem> I don't know i just found it on google image search
[00:05] <pwnguin> it would be really handy if there was an ettiquite that mockups be labelled so in the image
[00:06] <__mikem> I would just like to know, when I install download and install ubuntu in a few months, what can I expect to see when I start it up. All I know is right now, the current theme looks out dated and miles behind the standards for GUI that OSX and for god sakes even VISTA is setting
[00:08] <pwnguin> i dont think it looks too bad. if it's terrible, it might be a bug. sometimes gnome-settings doesnt load correctly for me
[00:08] <pwnguin> and it looks very gtk1 ish
[00:09] <__mikem> It doesn't look terrible, but it is still very much behind the times
[00:09] <pwnguin> and the times are gloss and gradients
[00:09] <__mikem> exactly
[00:10] <__mikem> http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ubuntu-hardy-gelatin-large.jpg <-- for god sakes, if you could make it look like say this, things would be great and it would be trivial to do so
[00:11] <pwnguin> as best i can tell, the only significant change is a gradient to the gnome-panel
[00:12] <__mikem> Some round edges for the menu highlights would be nice to
[00:12] <pwnguin> it would help if you posted links tot he posts instead of the images directly
[00:12] <__mikem> sorry
[00:12] <__mikem> http://www.breakitdownblog.com/ubuntu-hardy-heron-804-theme-gelatin/
[00:13] <pwnguin> it might be a good idea to see about getting a gradient feature into gnome-panel itself
[00:14] <pwnguin> interestingly
[00:14] <pwnguin> it's already in the wiki
[00:15] <pwnguin> so I'm glad I asked instead of telling you about phoronix
[00:15] <__mikem> whats phoronix?
[00:16] <pwnguin> a news site that reports without interviewing anyone relevant
[00:16] <pwnguin> even though we're availabl
[00:16] <pwnguin> they published screenshots from the alphas
[00:19] <pwnguin> __mikem: i'll do you better than screenshots
[00:19] <__mikem> Do you have a beta CD?
[00:19] <pwnguin> i have a laptop with a development install
[00:20] <pwnguin> http://kims-area.com/?q=node/25
[00:20] <__mikem> Good, I'll get backto you when I get plane tickets to fly down and look at your screen :(
[00:20] <pwnguin> there's the developers latest version
[00:20] <pwnguin> should work on yours
[00:20] <pwnguin> in hardy
[00:21] <__mikem> Not bad. I have to say the color scheme looks very relaxing
[00:21] <pwnguin> i donno
[00:21] <pwnguin> the orange as selection is somewhat aggressive
[00:21] <__mikem> slightly but just turn down the gama and you should be good to go
[00:22] <__mikem> let me get my virtual machine running
[00:22] <pwnguin> do you not run ubuntu natively?
[00:22] <__mikem> not on my mac I don't
[00:22] <__mikem> I have it native on a machine but its in the other room
[00:23] <pwnguin> i see
[00:23] <pwnguin> thats cool. I just dont like getting comments from people with no skin in the game ;)
[00:23] <__mikem> you are going to have to help me install this thing because i don't remember how
[00:24] <pwnguin> its dead easy
[00:24] <pwnguin> download the .tar.gz to your desktop
[00:24] <pwnguin> system->pref->appearances
[00:24] <__mikem> okay
[00:24] <pwnguin> click the install button, pick out the tarball
[00:25] <pwnguin> and it should now have a new option to pick, and have changed it to that
[00:25] <__mikem> NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
[00:26] <pwnguin> I do like the fact that it's color parameterized
[00:26] <__mikem> yes theres only one problem that i see, and its easily fixed
[00:26] <pwnguin> the blue?
[00:26] <__mikem> well that, and that i still have to add the gradient back ground image to the panels
[00:26] <pwnguin> or the orange in the window picker?
[00:27] <__mikem> also the black menu highlights are a bit much
[00:27] <pwnguin> ?
[00:27] <pwnguin> im not running compiz
[00:27] <__mikem> I'm not either
[00:27] <pwnguin> oh, on the main menu
[00:27] <__mikem> when you click on the gnome menu at the top of the screen, the selected menu turns black
[00:27] <__mikem> it should turn orange
[00:28] <pwnguin> my main complaint is that the orange window list selection is highly distracting
[00:28] <pwnguin> i have a nice 21 inch desktop with high res
[00:29] <pwnguin> up at the top is this bright orange box representing irssi and its annoying the hell out of the corner of my eye ;)
[00:29] <DanaG> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.artwork
[00:30] <pwnguin> i wonder why the stat query didnt work then
[00:30] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the newsgroup link is nntp://  ...
[00:30] <DanaG> If you want to use newsreader software.
[00:30] <DanaG> s/I/i/
[00:31] <pwnguin> well, if gmane's loom can thread the ML, why cant thunderbird?
[00:33] <pwnguin> __mikem: if you're interested in that theme, i suggest you enroll http://kims-area.com/?q=blog/1/feed in your feed reader of choice
[00:33] <DanaG> Actually, it can.
[00:33] <DanaG> Click the column header with the tree-looking thingy.
[00:34] <__mikem> pwnguin: I am currently adding a few touches to the theme
[00:35] <pwnguin> __mikem: neat. tell him about it so he can merge it with his work!
[00:35] <__mikem> pwnguin: quick question, where did the gnome theme manager install that theme
[00:35] <pwnguin> phhshshh...
[00:35] <pwnguin> ~/.something probably
[00:35] <__mikem> I know, but theres a lot of . files
[00:35] <DanaG> ~/.themes
[00:36] <pwnguin> you act like i know this stuff. im just an unemployed programmer who isn't afraid to try ;)
[00:37] <__mikem> pwnguin: I don't know much more (if anything) than you do
[00:37] <pwnguin> then we can be ignorant together!
[00:37] <__mikem> But I program professionally and i know what end users like to see
[00:38] <pwnguin> well, i wont speak on behalf of other people
[00:38] <__mikem> Usually EUs don't care if technical people speak for them
[00:40] <pwnguin> an interesting exercise. replace "end users" with "women"
[00:40] <__mikem> pwnguin: I appologise if I come off as arogant, that is not my intension
[00:40] <__mikem> lol
[00:42] <pwnguin> well, i dont mean to make you feel or look bad, but it does raise an interestig question: does anyone ever intend to be arrogant?
[00:42] <__mikem> Do you know the HSL triplet of the orange color used in the theme?
[00:43] <pwnguin> i can do you one better
[00:43] <pwnguin> go to appearance
[00:43] <pwnguin> select the theme and choose "customize"
[00:43] <pwnguin> go over to colors
[00:43] <pwnguin> click on whatever interests you, and bam, colorpicker
[00:44] <pwnguin> i think we call it HSV
[00:45] <__mikem> if only I knew how to do a saturation in gimp
[00:46] <pwnguin> well, subscribe to the mailing list (or newsgroup)
[00:46] <pwnguin> the developer posts on ther
[00:46] <pwnguin> and ask / talk about it
[00:55] <__mikem> pwnguin: are you going to be here all night, because i should be able to have this done in about an hour
[00:55] <pwnguin> this is a screen session running irssi on a server
[00:55] <__mikem> okay
[00:56] <__mikem> then you should atleast be able to tell me who to send the tar.gz file to
[00:56] <pwnguin> barring reboots, network outages (we have been hit by a tornado in the past month) or anything else
[00:56] <pwnguin> i never leave
[00:56] <pwnguin> if you have your own hosting, that might be the best place
[00:57] <__mikem> pwnguin: I do but my web server has a bad power supply
[00:57] <pwnguin> im not aware of any standard diff for themes
[00:57] <pwnguin> it seems like the sort of thing that bzr should handle
[00:58] <pwnguin> but let us say that everyone's afraid the average artist can't handle bzr
[00:59] <pwnguin> if you open up the original tar.gz, gtk-2.0/gtkrc has some contact info embedded in a comment
[01:00] <__mikem> oh okay
[01:00] <pwnguin> the mailing list also appears to accept attachments
[01:02] <__mikem> That should do it, let me just retar this thing and I'll look at where to send it
[01:03] <pwnguin> see the topic ;
[01:03] <pwnguin> ;)
[01:04] <pwnguin> back to final fantasy tactics then
[01:09] <__mikem> pwnguin: I subscribed to the mailing list, how do I post to it?
[01:10] <pwnguin> it should tell you in the confirmation email?
[01:11] <__mikem> i just see info on how to complete the registration and what to do if i want to unsubscribe
[01:11] <__mikem> nothing about how to post to it
[01:12] <__mikem> oh I just recieved a "welcome" email that tells me
[01:15] <__mikem> pwnguin: okay, I just posted it, when you get a chance to view it on a computer that has X running, let me know what you think
[01:16] <pwnguin> heh
[01:16] <pwnguin> i have a computer with X
[01:16] <pwnguin> right now
[01:16] <__mikem> okay
[01:17] <__mikem> then by all means have a look. I included a screen shot in the tar.gz archive that I attached
[01:20] <__mikem> pwnguin: did my post go through yet?
[01:20] <pwnguin> yea
[01:21] <__mikem> attachment and all?
[01:21] <pwnguin> (sorry.... I uh...bio-break?)
[01:21] <pwnguin> yea
[01:21] <__mikem> beautiful, well extract it and have a look at the screen shot
[01:21] <pwnguin> i did
[01:21] <pwnguin> im using it right now
[01:21] <__mikem> :)
[01:22] <pwnguin> ok thats wierd
[01:22] <__mikem> ?
[01:22] <pwnguin> (did the old version do that?)
[01:22] <__mikem> do what?
[01:22] <pwnguin> when i click on applications
[01:22] <pwnguin> the terminal icon has a dark orange highlight
[01:22] <pwnguin> well, not dark. faint
[01:22] <__mikem> pwnguin: is it by any chance a launcher on the gnome panel?
[01:23] <pwnguin> yes
[01:23] <__mikem> oh, thats always been like that
[01:23] <__mikem> I have been complaining about that bug for ages
[01:23] <pwnguin> ive never seen that on human
[01:24] <pwnguin> are we sure its a bug with gnome panel and not the theme?
[01:24] <__mikem> pwnguin: when you click on something in the gnome panel, from then on, every time you click on the menu in gnome panel, the last item you clicked will always highlight like that
[01:24] <__mikem> it happens regardless of what theme you use
[01:24] <pwnguin> hmm
[01:24] <__mikem> the default human theme does it but it uses a dotted line square instead of a highlight
[01:24] <pwnguin> also, the seperator in that theme is blank
[01:25] <__mikem> Strange, I don't remember touching the separater
[01:25] <pwnguin> might also be part of his theme
[01:25] <pwnguin> finally, im not a fan of the icon theme
[01:26] <pwnguin> ugly green / tan folders
[01:26] <__mikem> pwnguin: you can change that
[01:26] <__mikem> I left it be because i thought you wanted it that way
[01:26] <pwnguin> i know, but we're talking about defaults here
[01:26] <pwnguin> "you"
[01:26] <__mikem> I thought "they" wanted it that way then
[01:27] <pwnguin> well, yea, less changes are better for inclusion
[01:27] <pwnguin> when he responds on list, I'll see about a launchpad page for the theme
[01:27] <pwnguin> and a bzr branch
[01:28] <__mikem> thanks :)
[01:28] <pwnguin> it'll be easier to manage in version control i think
[01:28] <__mikem> I'll sure feel honored if my changes make it into the final
[01:28] <pwnguin> __mikem: how's the alert work?
[01:28] <__mikem> the what?
[01:29] <pwnguin> in the theme
[01:29] <__mikem> No idea, i didn't change that
[01:29] <pwnguin> some windows set an ALERT status
[01:29] <pwnguin> im curious how the coloring affects that
[01:30] <__mikem> pwnguin: the only tools i used were colorization and brightness and contrast settings
[01:30] <__mikem> and some alpha blend
[01:31] <pwnguin> ok
[01:32] <pwnguin> then i guess they're just general complaints relevant to the theme, not your changes ;)
[01:50] <__mikem> Its been a while since I contributed to a project, I forgot how satisfying it is
[20:28] <xanax`> hello
[21:24] <__mikem> hey pwnguin are you around?
[21:29] <__mikem> well if not, is there anyone here who can look at some fixes i made to the current geliten theme?
[21:32] <pwnguin> i am
[21:32] <__mikem> oh okay
[21:32] <pwnguin> just rebooted
[21:33] <__mikem> I made one more correction to the theme
[21:38] <__mikem> pwnguin: I just added my updates to the mailing list if you want to use it
[21:41] <__mikem> are you still there?
[21:43] <pwnguin> ye
[21:43] <pwnguin> just checking my email
[21:44] <__mikem> the problem I found the buttons in the task list at the bottom would turn blue if they were inactive and you hovered so I had to change that
[21:46] <pwnguin> desaturated orange?
[21:46] <pwnguin> (and blue text?)
[21:46] <__mikem> hold on
[21:47] <__mikem> your looking at the actual window, I am looking at the panel at the bottom of the screen where buttons for each window appear
[21:50] <pwnguin> yes
[21:50] <pwnguin> (mine is at the top, but i understand your meaning)
[21:50] <pwnguin> unfortunately, I can't take that theme in long doses
[21:51] <__mikem> pwnguin: if you could tell me what the problem is, I might be able to fix it
[21:51] <pwnguin> its too bright
[21:51] <pwnguin> too orange
[21:51] <__mikem> so, we need to turn the gama down and the contrast up
[21:52] <pwnguin> explain to me what you think gama is, so we can be on the same page
[21:52] <__mikem> pwnguin: gamma is how intense the color is
[21:52] <pwnguin> so saturation
[21:52] <__mikem> and contrast is how accentuated it is
[21:53] <__mikem> I took a web design course once and they did some cursory graphic design, and I still remember the jargon :)
[21:54] <pwnguin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_correction
[21:55] <__mikem> That refers to distortion due to defraction
[21:55] <__mikem> its a different thing
[21:55] <__mikem> refraction rather
[21:55] <pwnguin> what?
[21:55] <pwnguin> no
[21:55] <__mikem> Oh sorry, I saw the pictures of the lady in the water and i thought of something else
[21:57] <pwnguin> gamma correction, is about brightness, not color ;)
[21:57] <__mikem> brightness yes
[21:57] <__mikem> intensity
[21:58] <__mikem> in the RGB color space intensity is the same as the brightness when it comes to your reds greens and blues
[21:58] <__mikem> Maximum intensity of all colors will yeild white
[21:58] <pwnguin> hsv this is represented by v
[21:59] <__mikem> I know, I never learned HSV so I am kind of trying to translate concepts on the fly in my head :(
[22:00] <pwnguin> think of hue as wavelength, saturation as how dominant the wavelength is in the mix, and value/lightness as the number of total photons
[22:02] <__mikem> pwnguin: I am going to try dulling out the orange a bit, should be easier on the eyes
[22:02] <pwnguin> im still not sold on color for the window list
[22:02] <__mikem> I know its a bit too bright as well
[22:11] <__mikem> in HSV which one controls intensity again?
[22:24] <__mikem> pwnguin: wow, now that doesn't look good at all. Its too dulled out
[22:25] <__mikem> Looks like I lack the skills necessary to fix it any further
[22:59] <xanax`> the newhuman window decoration theme is simply awesome
[22:59] <xanax`> congratulations to the artists
[23:01] <pwnguin> i should update my theme
[23:02] <pwnguin> err
[23:02] <pwnguin> laptop
[23:04] <__mikem> xanax`: screen shot?
[23:05] <__mikem> xanax`: I was working on the geliton theme earlier
[23:07] <xanax`> it's the chocolate theme..
[23:07] <xanax`> hold on, uploading a screenshot
[23:12] <__mikem> you sure are taking your time
[23:15] <xanax`> http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9136/captureys2.png
[23:15] <__mikem> wow, what a disappointment
[23:15] <xanax`> sorry, I am having problems with program that doesn't want to compile
[23:15] <xanax`> why ?
[23:16] <__mikem> xanax`: it looks just as outdated and dull as the current ubuntu theme
[23:16] <xanax`> which one do you have ?
[23:16] <__mikem> Compared to OSX and even Vista for Gods Sake, this appearence is an embarasment
[23:17] <__mikem> There are PLENTY of better themes that look beautiful, and can match if not surpas the beauty of OSX and vista, so why do you have to use this junk
[23:17] <xanax`> I am longing to test this theme : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals
[23:18] <xanax`> if it gets released
[23:18] <__mikem> NOW THATS MORE LIKE IT!
[23:18] <__mikem> That is what ubuntu needs
[23:18] <xanax`> or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline
[23:19] <__mikem> that one aint bad either
[23:19] <__mikem> either of those would be acceptable and be competitive in todays world, but that chocolate theme is and I am sorry to be so blunt, a complete waste of effort
[23:20] <__mikem> What I would like to know is WHY CAN'T THESE THEMES BE THE DEFAULT THEME
[23:20] <__mikem> Why do they have to use chocolate, why do they have to knowingly pick an inferior concept
[23:22] <__mikem> xanax`: do you understand what I mean?
[23:22] <xanax`> yeah
[23:22] <xanax`> I still like the chocolate theme because its unusual.. to have a dark theme as default
[23:22] <__mikem> The fact is, OSX and vista are dwarfing most of the current linux distros in the UI department and its something that SHOULD be easy to fix
[23:22] <__mikem> I don't WANT chocolate as the default
[23:23] <xanax`> btw, the 2 mockups theme I pasted are just mockups I think..
[23:23] <__mikem> I want a theme that can allow people to take linux seriously as a desktop OS
[23:23] <xanax`> I DO hope they'll be release one day or the other..
[23:24] <__mikem> Its enough hoping, does the person who is INCHARGE of the artwork lurk around at all, because its time I had a word with him
[23:25] <xanax`> I don't think being aggressive will help..
[23:25] <__mikem> I won't be
[23:25] <__mikem> I'll be civil
[23:25] <xanax`> ok then :-)
[23:26] <__mikem> I really just want to make sure they don't blow their opertunity to give linux a kickstart
[23:26] <__mikem> and either of the mockup themes you have posted would do just that
[23:27] <__mikem> I am talking about marketability, and even a free piece of software cancapitalize on the basic principles of marketing
[23:27] <__mikem> especially when that piece of software is as well writen as the linux kernel and the other apps that sit on top of it
[23:29] <__mikem> xanax`: are you going to go get him or something?
[23:30] <xanax`> I don't know any official ubuntu artist here..
[23:30] <xanax`> I am just a ubuntu user
[23:31] <__mikem> What about the person who is currently op'ed
[23:31] <xanax`> he may not be behind his keyboard..
[23:32] <__mikem> kwwii: are you around, I would like to voice some concerns
[23:32] <__mikem> if thats alright with you ofcourse
[23:32] <xanax`> have you posted on brainstorm.ubuntu.com about your "feelings" ?
[23:33] <xanax`> there are some ideas about the default theme
[23:33] <__mikem> xanax`: I would feel better if my corospondance occured within a realtime medium
[23:34] <xanax`> ok
[23:36] <xanax`> have you also found some good mockups or nice theme ideas you would like to share with me ?
[23:37] <__mikem> yes
[23:37] <__mikem> hold on
[23:39] <__mikem> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/02/04/new-theme-for-ubuntu-804-deferred/
[23:40] <xanax`> simple and clear. i like it. (though I still prefer my "BasicIdeals" mockup :p)
[23:41] <__mikem> Yes I do to
[23:43] <xanax`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/SharpChocolate
[23:43] <xanax`> that's more "chocolate' than the newHuman theme
[23:43] <__mikem> xanax`: thats a step in the right dirrection but it needs more transparency and gloss
[23:44] <zerwas> no good contrast there :-(
[23:45] <xanax`> yep, maybe the color of icon fonts is too dull
[23:46] <xanax`> and I dislike the iconset shown on the "Pictures - File Browser" window
[23:49] <zerwas> the actual intrepid theme is a good compromise between contrast and darkness
[23:49] <zerwas> but in my opinion there is still too much grey in the colour of intrepids NewHuman
[23:50] <__mikem> zerwas: does the actual intrepid theme have some gloss or atleast make any attempt to compete with OSX and Vista?
[23:50] <zerwas> no.
[23:50] <xanax`> __mikem : I think they (official artists) don't plan to "compete" with those OSs
[23:51] <zerwas> __mikem, you can try it out by yourself if you are running Ubuntu 8.04 (hardy)
[23:51] <xanax`> they maybe want to make a good theme for all users, easy to "use"
[23:51] <__mikem> I am
[23:52] <zerwas> i use #4A3A2D - looks much better in my opinion. and does not only look "old" like the actual NewHuman colour scheme
[23:52] <__mikem> users want a theme that looks pretty, not a theme that looks like we are trapped in the world of several years ago
[23:52] <__mikem> zerwas: does it look glossy?
[23:53] <__mikem> here tell you what, how do I get the actual theme on my ubuntu machine?
[23:53] <zerwas> __mikem, the colour? nope
[23:53] <zerwas> __mikem, one second.
[23:53] <__mikem> first problem, most users like gloss
[23:53] <zerwas> add these two lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:53] <zerwas> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
[23:53] <zerwas> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
[23:54] <zerwas> Do you know how to add repositories to your installation?
[23:54] <__mikem> i am using the software sources thing
[23:54] <zerwas> sorry for highlighting you kwwii
[23:55] <__mikem> okay I think they are added
[23:58] <__mikem> zerwas: the lines are added
[23:58] <__mikem> now what?