[02:03] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:05] <RAOF> Howdie bddebian
[02:05] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[02:06] <jdong> any ~motu-release online?
[02:07] <TheMuso> jdong: Yes.
[02:07] <jdong> TheMuso: ok, let's talk sshmenu :)
[02:07] <jdong> TheMuso: I've been e-mailing back and forth with the author, and he says the package we have in Hardy is a snapshot from Debian at an unstable moment in time
[02:07] <TheMuso> jdong: Go on.
[02:08] <jdong> TheMuso: the Debian package has been since repackaged to split between sshmenu and sshmenu-gnome
[02:08] <jdong> TheMuso: which means an update to this package would result in the GNOME menu disappearing unless the user installs the 2nd package
[02:08] <jdong> TheMuso: the author either wants (1) a sync from Debian (2) archive removal
[02:08] <TheMuso> jdong: Yes...
[02:08] <jdong> TheMuso: #2 is less risky but #1 seems like it's more attractive
[02:09] <jdong> looking for input on the best approach
[02:09] <TheMuso> jdong: How many bugs filed against the package currently?
[02:10] <jdong> TheMuso: just one
[02:10] <jdong> TheMuso: and an answer tracker question from the author for said action
[02:10] <jdong> TheMuso: note the sync from debian happened in November
[02:11] <TheMuso> jdong: Ok, so this would be a new upstream release as well?
[02:11] <jdong> TheMuso: right, 3.14-1 -> 3.15-1
[02:11] <TheMuso> So it would need 2 acks in any case.
[02:11] <jdong> I guess so :)
[02:11] <TheMuso> Ad the package in its current form is not stable...
[02:11] <jdong> correct
[02:12] <jdong> it's deprecated packaging that will cause undesirable side effects with any update.
[02:12] <jdong> we either handle it now before hardy comes out for hear complaints for intrepid
[02:12] <TheMuso> I'd say file a FFe/sync request, attach the necessary bits, and I'll have a look and then its up to another motu-release person to give it the ok.
[02:12] <jdong> TheMuso: ok will do
[02:15] <protonchris> TheMuso: Are you up for looking at another? Bug 216308
[02:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216308 in glom "Glom crashes when adding record" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216308
[02:16] <TheMuso> protonchris: Looking now.
[02:16] <protonchris> TheMuso: thanks
[02:19] <DarkMageZ> is there a process for having a package removed from ubuntu? and if so, where can i find the appropriate documentation of it?
[02:20] <jdong> TheMuso: what are the info I need? I'm guessing diffstat, pbuilder log, upstream changelog diff?
[02:21] <TheMuso> jdong: Diffstat is not needed, changelog would be the most helpful thing, a build/install logs are also useful.
[02:21] <LaserJock> DarkMageZ: file a bug for the archive admins
[02:30] <TheMuso> protonchris: Ok, please get it sponsored/uploaded.
[02:30] <protonchris> TheMuso: thanks for your help
[02:30] <TheMuso> Welcome.
[02:35] <YokoZar> I want to update ia32-libs one more time before release (including adding a lib) to close #182731 (specifically adding libasound2-plugins ), however a debdiff for that is obviously too big (since it would include the entire deb package as "source")...what can I do?
[02:39] <jdong> TheMuso: motu-release subscribed to bug 217044
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217044 in sshmenu "Sync 3.15-1 from sid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217044
[02:40] <jdong> *grumble* WHAT is using half my swap?
[02:40] <jdong> goodie. eclipse.
[02:42] <TheMuso> haha
[02:42] <StevenK> Eight-hundred Megabytes And Constantly Swa ... oh, wait
[06:10] <dholbach> good morning
[06:10] <LaserJock> morning dholbach
[06:11] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[06:12] <dholbach> hi LaserJock, hey TheMuso
[06:12] <nxvl> gute tag!
[06:12] <nxvl> guten*
[06:12] <dholbach> Guten Morgen nxvl! :)
[06:13] <nxvl> dholbach: how was your weekend?
[06:16] <dholbach> very good - had lots of fun with friends from Vienna - how was yours?
[06:17] <nxvl> quit but fun
[06:17] <nxvl> quiet*
[06:21] <nxvl> on friday i watched Fool's Gold
[06:21] <nxvl> and i go to the beach on saturday
[06:22] <nxvl> i have just came back today (here it's still sunday)
[06:22] <nxvl> there was a surf championship, so there was still lot of people out there
[06:23] <dholbach> fool's gold?
[06:23] <dholbach> that sounds nice :)
[06:23] <nxvl> yes
[06:23] <nxvl> it was really fun
[06:24] <nxvl> Kate Hudson and Matthew McConaughey make a really good couple on the movies
[06:26] <macogw> would "it uses gio instead of gnomevfs" be a compelling reason to update an app this close to release?
[06:26] <macogw> since hardy's using gio
[06:28] <dholbach> macogw: best to ask seb128 once he got up
[06:28] <macogw> ok
[06:28] <nxvl> macogw: he must get up in 2 hours or so, dholbach is the only martian who wakes up this early :P
[06:28] <macogw> early?
[06:29] <macogw> its 1:30AM here
[06:29] <nxvl> macogw: yes, on berlin it is 7:30 am
[06:29] <macogw> sort of evening, in my mind ;)
[06:29] <RAOF> That sounds like a fairly intrusive change to me, and it's not like gnomevfs is particularly less featureful now that we're using gio.
[06:29] <nxvl> dholbach: doesn't it?
[06:29] <dholbach> nxvl: it is
[06:29] <dholbach> macogw: try on #ubuntu-desktop or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:29] <macogw> ok
[06:38] <calc> i got up at 7:30am in Prague yesterday and haven't gone to bed yet :)
[06:38] <calc> so i guess I am up late ;)
[06:39]  * calc is hoping he doesn't feel weird after doing a +7 / -7 in 4 days
[06:40] <nxvl> calc: you are in Prague?
[06:40] <calc> nxvl: i flew to prague from houston at 3:30pm wed, and got back to houston at 7:30pm tonight (Sunday)
[06:41] <calc> so i woke up at Sun 7:30am (UTC+2) and am still awake
[06:43] <calc> i'm not going to set my alarm and just see when i wake up, heh
[06:43] <calc> when i was in prague i kept waking up at 3am for whatever reason
[06:44] <calc> maybe my body was thinking it was time to eat dinner
[06:44] <macogw> haha
[06:44] <macogw> you mean 3am isn't normally dinner time?
[06:45] <macogw> im not surprised at it being 2am and me being hungry...this seems like a normal occurence
[06:45] <macogw> now if only there was food in the dorm...
[06:50] <calc> macogw: 3am would be 8pm where i normally am and that isn't a time i would normally wake up so i guess maybe dinner
[06:50] <calc> i normally don't wake up in the middle of the night when i am at home
[06:50]  * calc is headed for bed now
[07:00] <warp10> good morning
[07:13] <emgent> morning
[07:38] <elmargol> dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libmicrohttpd.so.4 (used by debian/gnunet-server/usr/lib/GNUnet/libgnunetmodule_hostlist.so). <- any ideas how I fix this?
[07:46] <\sh> moins
[07:47] <elmargol> hi \sh maybe you know dpkg-shlibdeps?
[07:48] <\sh> elmargol, hmm?
[07:48] <RAOF> elmargol: It's probably looking for the shlibs file that libmicrohttpd should be shipped with.  Where is that lib coming from?
[07:49] <elmargol> RAOF, you mean I probably packaged libmicrohttpd wrong?
[07:49] <RAOF> Oh, you packaged that lib?  Yeah, dpkg really wants you to make a shlibs file for it :)
[07:49] <elmargol> ah ok
[07:49] <elmargol> thx!
[07:49] <RAOF> You've seen the Debian library packaging guide?
[07:50] <elmargol> I just compiled a new version of the lib
[07:50] <awmcclain> Hi all! I've i'm creating new ubnuntu packages for a small-medium group of people (possibly distributing through launchpad PPA), how should I deal with signing? Should I sign the package or not?
[07:50] <awmcclain> s/I've/If
[07:51] <RAOF> awmcclain: You can't.
[07:51] <elmargol> awmcclain, you have to mirror the repository and sign it
[07:51] <awmcclain> RAOF: Well, that does it, then. :)
[07:52] <elmargol> you can not directly sign the ppa
[07:52] <awmcclain> elmargol: I'm talking about signing the package when building it with dpkg-buildpackage.
[07:53] <awmcclain> Ah. Actually, I'm just talking about the .dsc and .changes files. Does that not matter?
[07:53] <elmargol> You can not upload unsigned files to the ppa
[07:55] <awmcclain> elmargol: Even if I own the project? Maybe I'm confused with the way repository hosting works on launchpad
[07:55] <elmargol> awmcclain, the signature is your "password"
[07:56] <RAOF> awmcclain: You upload a gpg-signed changes file, specifying the dsc, .diff.gz and orig.tar.gz (if needed).  LP then builds that source package, producing some (unsigned) binary packages.
[07:56] <awmcclain> ROAF: Ahhh. Ok. I see! Thank you.
[07:58] <RAOF> You can't have the PPA sign those packages, since then launchpad would need to have your private GPG key, thus making that key worthless.
[08:00] <elmargol> Can I compile a package using pbuilder and give me a shell after this?
[08:03] <RAOF> Yes, kinda.
[08:04] <RAOF> You can login to your pbuilder environment, do the build in there, and then you've got a shell :)
[09:15] <YokoZar> dholbach: would a debdiff be appropriate for an ia32-libs update?
[09:15] <YokoZar> I want to update ia32-libs one more time before release (including adding a lib) to close bug #182731 (specifically adding libasound2-plugins ), however a debdiff for that is obviously too big (since it would include the entire deb package as "source")...what can I do?
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182731 in ia32-libs "Provide a lib32asound2-plugins package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182731
[09:20] <coolbhavi> Hello
[09:20] <coolbhavi> Can some one help me out please
[09:21] <proppy> oy
[09:23] <coolbhavi> Take a look at this please http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63148/
[09:23] <coolbhavi> help me anyone please
[09:26] <james_w> coolbhavi: the diff can represent neither the symlink you added nor the changes you made to the binary .chr files
[09:27] <james_w> if you have to make these changes in the diff then you need to find another method, e.g. uuencode
[09:27] <james_w> otherwise you can make the changes at build time if that is possible.
[09:27] <coolbhavi> What to do to eliminate the error?
[09:28] <coolbhavi> Please explain
[09:28] <james_w> can you explain what changes you made to these files first?
[09:29] <coolbhavi> I was just trying to upgrade the package
[09:29] <coolbhavi> I made changes to the changelog
[09:29] <coolbhavi> dch -i
[09:30] <coolbhavi> thats all the changes I did
[09:32] <coolbhavi> first I did apt-get source
[09:32] <coolbhavi> then downloaded the source new version from openwall
[09:33] <coolbhavi> then created a /debian source directory
[09:33] <coolbhavi> then cp -r the old version
[09:34] <coolbhavi> then debuild
[09:34] <james_w> it appears as if you are using the new source in the old directory or something
[09:35] <coolbhavi> no I am in the new directory itself
[09:35] <james_w> what you can do is download and unpack the old version of the package, and download the new version of the tarball, and then run uupdate in the unpacked old package, passing it the path of the new tarball
[09:37] <coolbhavi> I moved it using mv
[09:37] <coolbhavi> I am following instructions in UPG
[09:37] <coolbhavi> Ubuntu Packaging Guide
[09:38] <coolbhavi> OK I will delete those directories and try again afresh
[09:47] <coolbhavi> Another doubt
[09:48] <coolbhavi> From where should we download new source? In this case from openwall right?
[09:48] <james_w> from wherever upstream releases it to.
[09:49] <coolbhavi> new upstream release is from openwall
[09:50] <coolbhavi> http://www.openwall.com/john/f/john-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[09:51] <james_w> you could have a look at the package in Debian experimental
[09:51] <coolbhavi> OK
[09:53] <coolbhavi> Then how to update in ubuntu?
[09:53] <coolbhavi> Merging?
[09:53] <james_w> yes, if the Ubuntu changes should be kept
[09:55] <coolbhavi> Ok Is my method of packaging wrong
[09:55] <coolbhavi> ?
[09:56] <james_w> I don't think so
[09:58] <coolbhavi> Then how to eliminate the error please... You mentioned the uupdate command
[09:58] <coolbhavi> I have done as you said now
[09:58] <coolbhavi> How to use uupdate
[09:58] <coolbhavi> ?
[09:58] <coolbhavi> Please explain
[09:58]  * Hobbsee suggests the man page
[10:20] <emgent> heya tseliot :)
[10:20] <tseliot> emgent: hi ;)
[10:22] <coolbhavi> james_w I did  uupdate --pristine john-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz as you said above but still same error
[10:24] <coolbhavi> any help?
[11:14] <pochu> hmm, just thinking how ~ubuntu-universe-assistants would sound for the new "Ubuntu Contributing Developers" team
[11:14] <pochu> persia: ^
[11:19] <Fujitsu> Yay, a fix for the SDL+PulseAudio crackling: bug #216397
[11:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216397 in libsdl1.2 "sdl patch for better pulseaudio support" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216397
[11:25] <dholbach> YokoZar: does it only have a text diff?
[11:26] <\sh> dholbach, YokoZar : talk to pitti about it, he can do easier uploads from canonical machines to DC...
[11:26] <YokoZar> \sh: good idea
[11:27] <YokoZar> dholbach: adding a package to ia32-libs adds an entire .deb as "source"
[11:27] <YokoZar> (and also a source package)
[11:27] <\sh> dholbach, fixing ia32-libs is *censored* from your local machine ,-)
[11:28] <\sh> it's just like uploading a complete -server iso image :)
[11:28] <dholbach> try asking in #ubuntu-devel
[11:31] <\sh> ScottK, Hobbsee, (or anyone from motu-release) can you ack bug #182731 pls asap :) thx :)
[11:32] <YokoZar> Thank you for asking for me \sh :)
[11:33] <\sh> YokoZar, *g* what do we do about the memory problem?
[11:34] <YokoZar> \sh: I don't see any sort of fix that doesn't involve hypnotizing the security team
[11:35] <\sh> YokoZar, hmmmm........
[11:35] <\sh> YokoZar, and as I understand it's only the lower 64k part of this prelink loader?
[11:36] <YokoZar> Frankly though, I'm not sure why Wine needs to reserve that range in particular...in part because I don't really know how memory addressing like that actually works
[11:37] <YokoZar> \sh: http://pastebin.com/m677dbe3d
[11:39] <YokoZar> It's also a real longshot to get something like this: http://v86-64.sourceforge.net/
[11:39] <YokoZar> Even for Hardy + 1 I mean
[11:39] <\sh> YokoZar, well, fun part: it's not amd64 only...
[11:39] <\sh> shermann@wz-pc-006:~$ uname -a
[11:39] <\sh> Linux wz-pc-006 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:39] <\sh> shermann@wz-pc-006:~$ wine Desktop/wr
[11:39] <\sh> preloader: Warning: failed to reserve range 00000000-60000000
[11:40] <YokoZar> Right.  Though I suspect DOS/win16 support will stay broken on amd64 even if we disabled the security
[11:42] <\sh> YokoZar, yepp...but what should we do about hte bugs we have...won't fix -> and writing: "well, it's just a warning" or "confirmed: to be fixed in the future"? :)
[11:42] <persia> pochu: Better proposed to the mailing list, if it doesn't gather discussion here (and even if it does).
[12:07] <coolbhavi> uploaders dont have an ubuntu address error
[12:08] <coolbhavi> How to overcome?
[12:08] <coolbhavi> Any one please
[12:08] <\sh> coolbhavi, what context...and where do you try to upload?
[12:09] <coolbhavi> I am trying to merge john the ripper
[12:09] <coolbhavi> latest version into ubuntu
[12:10] <\sh> coolbhavi, can you pastebin your output? (paste.ubuntu.com e.g.)
[12:12] <coolbhavi> \sh http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63163/
[12:14] <\sh> coolbhavi, ah this..
[12:15] <\sh> if you add something as revision e-g- -XubuntuY you need to set an maintainer like Ubuntu Universe Developer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:16] <\sh> coolbhavi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[12:16] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I add /var/cache/pbuilder/result/ to pbuilderrc's OTHERMIRROR ?
[12:17] <coolbhavi> \sh in the control file?
[12:17] <\sh> coolbhavi, yep
[12:18] <\sh> AnAnt, you can't it's not an repository...
[12:18] <AnAnt> \sh: how can I make it a repository ?
[12:19] <\sh> AnAnt, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Persona
[12:20] <\sh> AnAnt, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal even
[12:20] <coolbhavi> \sh now its comming secret key not available
[12:20] <\sh> coolbhavi, did you add a changelog entry with dch ?
[12:20] <coolbhavi> for Bhavani Shankar i.e me
[12:20] <coolbhavi> yes
[12:20] <\sh> coolbhavi, you need to have a gpg key for yourself :)
[12:21] <coolbhavi> yes have it
[12:22] <AnAnt> \sh: thanks
[12:24] <\sh> coolbhavi, strange then
[12:25] <\sh> AnAnt, welcome
[12:54] <\sh> Fujitsu, do you know, if it's possible to workaround the problem with w32codec dlls to write logfiles? e.g. while converting videos with vp6 codec in 2pass mode, the dll itself tries to write something to the disk..which doesn't work somehow when using this dll in linux....
[12:55] <\sh> Fujitsu, mplayer/mencoder issue that is
[12:55] <Fujitsu> \sh: I've no idea whatsoever
[12:56] <\sh> Fujitsu, me neither...I just ran into this very special problem :(
[12:56] <\sh> now I'm trying to workaround it using wine + windows mencoder ;)
[13:09] <pochu> persia: thanks, done.
[13:13] <Iulian> Heya
[13:17] <persia> pochu: Just as commentary, we maintain a dichotomy between "MOTU" and "Ubuntu Developers" for various reasons.  At Mountain View, there was discussion of deprecating the former in favor of the latter, and after Seville, the latter was determined to be an entitlement group, whereas the former would have members.
[13:17] <Mirv> could someone approve bug 216211 ?
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 216211 in compizconfig-settings-manager "ccsm Finnish translation broken again" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216211
[14:07] <LarstiQ> What needs to be done to get a rebuild for bug 128180 ?
[14:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128180 in rpy "rpy import error at Gusty" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128180
[14:08] <coolbhavi> Hello again
[14:11] <coolbhavi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63173/
[14:11] <coolbhavi> But nothing on my PPA?
[14:12] <coolbhavi> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bhavi/+archive
[14:48] <coolbhavi> IS PPA FROZEN?
[14:49] <DarkMageZ> coolbhavi, i think the packages have to compile first.
[14:49] <Tonio_> dholbach: ping ?
 I have uploaded the package
[14:51] <coolbhavi> but no record of uploading the package
[14:51] <DarkMageZ> hmm. odd. not sure.
[14:52] <jdong> coolbhavi: how long dd you wait after uploading?
[14:52] <coolbhavi> hi jdong an hr
[14:52] <pochu> persia: ok, I didn't know that. I prefer Mountain View's decision. But does that affect my name proposal in any way, or was it just for my information? :)
[14:53] <coolbhavi> I uploaded John the ripper latest version jdong
[14:53] <coolbhavi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63173/
[14:54] <coolbhavi> for hardy
[14:54] <coolbhavi> but no mention of package on my ppa
[14:54] <persia> pochu: Just historical information.   They put 4 APs on the same ESSID reachable from the same room...
[14:57] <jdong> but none allow me to communicate with a DHCP address from the other
[14:57] <jdong> so when madwifi tries to roam to the stronger AP... poof.
[14:59] <pochu> persia: I see. This has "Universe" so I don't think it's following Mountain View, and I don't think it's silly either, but YMMV
[14:59] <pochu> anyway, it's just a proposal and I don't mind if people doesn't like it :-)
[14:59] <pochu> people doesn't or people don't?
[15:00] <AstralJava> One people (ie. the english) doesn't like, but people (person in plural) don't. Right?
[15:00] <persia> pochu: "people don't", although I'm only in that category in that I think there may be value to separate the "official" name from the "internal" name, rather than having any issues with the suggested name itself.
[15:01] <persia> AstralJava: Yes, although "one doesn't like" or "one person doesn't like".  It takes two to make "people".
[15:01] <AstralJava> persia: True.
[15:04] <pochu> AstralJava, persia: thanks
[15:05] <pochu> persia: I'm sorry but I don't think I get you... I don't understand how you would separate those...
[15:08] <persia> pochu: Hmm..  I'm not sure I'm up for a full explanation now, but by way of example, I am proud to be MOTU, and enjoy referring to MOTU as "Masters", but when I present myself in an official context related to Ubuntu, I tend to use the description "Ubuntu Developer" or "Developer".
[15:09] <dholbach> Tonio_: pong
[15:09] <persia> Essentially, the internal term is a little humourous, but not really incredibly professional.  I'd not like to lose the fun, but similarly, I'm not likely to use it on a business card.
[15:09] <pochu> persia: I see. So perhaps you would like to have a formal name in the wiki, but something not so formal for the Launchpad team name?
[15:11] <persia> pochu: That'd be my personal preference, but it really depends on the preferred identity of the members of the group.  I no longer believe I can speak well for that identity.
[15:11] <dholbach> I asked a few people for a new name - this is what I got up until now: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=111
[15:14] <persia> dholbach: when the discussion dies out, would you mind mirroring the best to the mailing list?  Nice to see some fresh names though :)
[15:14] <pochu> I like this one from your blog :-)
[15:14] <pochu> For something less serious than i.e. “Ubuntu Contributing Developer” or some such, I suggest: “Ubuntu Universe Astronaut”
[15:15] <dholbach> persia: will do
[15:16] <emgent> lol
[15:20] <Tonio_> TheMuso: may I ping you concerning bug 217266 ?
[15:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217266 in ubuntu "FeatureFreeze Exception for new package OBM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217266
[15:20] <Tonio_> TheMuso: due to specific context (partnership between canonical and my company) this is a kind of emergency on my side :)
[15:31] <bhavibond> Hello
[15:32] <bhavibond> Still I cant get my package in PP
[15:32] <bhavibond> Still I cant get my package in PPA
[16:18] <mok0> huh? I am trying to build a source package, but it fails with this: unable to get login information for username "mok" at /usr/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 64.
[16:19] <mok0> Of course, I don't exist in the chroot environment
[17:17] <stani> pochu, ScottK, ScottK2: What should I do about bug #215714? I am afraid if the patch for python-nautilus get uploaded for Hardy in the last moment, there is no chance for Phatch to upload a patch as well. As a result nautilus integration for phatch will be broken.
[17:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215714 in nautilus-python "The path for python extensions should be reflect the 2.0 api" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215714
[17:24] <pochu> stani: let me ask seb128
[17:25] <stani> pochu: thanks (I am bit nervous about it), also the bug report has a patch attached but I don't know if it is marked as such.
[17:39] <bddebian> Heya gang
[17:45] <geser> Hi bddebian!
[17:46] <stani> pochu: I have to go. Please email me if you know more.
[17:47] <bddebian> Hi geser
[18:37] <mlind> could someone sponsor fix in bug #202343 ? asac basically gave ack for it
[18:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202343 in opensc "mozilla-opensc firefox plugin not visible in FF3 (bad install directory)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/202343
[18:57] <cool> how to i get started with packageing?
[18:59] <RainCT> !packaging
[18:59] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[19:55] <stan1> pochu: I am back
[19:56] <norsetto> hello
[20:04] <sebner> norsetto: heya :D
[20:04] <norsetto> sebner: heya
[20:04] <sebner> norsetto: debdiff is ready. just testbuilding again
[20:04] <norsetto> sebner: goodie goodie
[20:05] <sebner> norsetto: And I really worked hard to make a nice looking debdiff so be nice :P
[20:06] <norsetto> sebner: I'm always nice :-)
[20:06] <sebner> ^^
[20:06] <sebner> true
[20:08] <sebner> norsetto: are smilies allowed in the changelog? ^^
[20:10] <norsetto> sebner: good question, I never seen one myself, but if you have a reason I see no harm done
[20:10] <sebner> norsetto: I want to thank you with a nice looking smilie ^^
[20:11] <norsetto> sebner: no need then, just write "bugger norsetto" ;-)
[20:11] <sebner> ^^
[20:11] <sebner> norsetto: but I'm afraid that I br0ke the debdiff xD And I replaced my conky folder with the original one to test but it's failing xD
[20:13] <norsetto> sebner: what is it that broke?
[20:13] <sebner> norsetto: a wired thing. The line " New upstream release from 1.5.1"
[20:15] <norsetto> sebner: sorry, I don't get what you mean
[20:16] <sebner> norsetto: nvm. I'll test something
[20:17] <sebner> norsetto: fixed it ^^. I edited the debdiff manually and forgot to change the line numbers (what indicate what was chaned)
[20:18] <sebner> *changed
[20:18] <sebner> and where
[20:19] <norsetto> sebner: hmmm, editing a diff might not be easy, sometime is better to redo it from scratch
[20:20] <sebner> norsetto: well, true but from mistakes we learn :)
[20:21] <yosch> hi MOTUs, anybody willing to help me fix #180011 by granting an exception for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=ttf-ubuntu-title
[20:22] <RainCT> bug #180011
[20:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180011 in ttf-ubuntu-title "Lack of SFD source file breaks LGPL license and makes file unredistributable!" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180011
[20:23] <sebner> norsetto: debdiff uploaded. I subscribed motu-release though *you* are a member of this team ^^ mind taking a look?
[20:23] <norsetto> sebner: I will
[20:23] <yosch> the finalfreeze email said "ask on irc", I talked with seb128 and he told me to ask one of you
[20:24] <sebner> norsetto: How often did I thank you in the last days? ^^ Once again. Thanks :)
[20:24] <norsetto> sebner: too many ;-)
[20:24] <sebner> norsetto: well, you deserve it :D but if it annoys you ..
[20:28] <yosch> RainCT: what's the process I should follow now?
[20:29] <RainCT> yosch: subscribe motu-release to the bug report or ask someone of the motu-release team
[20:32] <yosch> RainCT: OK, motu-release subscribed. Now how do I do the asking?
[20:33] <yosch> simply via IRC?
[20:34] <RainCT> yosch: yes, ping one of those https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+members or just wait for one of them to commment on the bug report
[20:34] <yosch> RainCT: motu-release or ubuntu-release?
[20:35] <sebner> yosch: is it in main or universe?
[20:35] <yosch> sebner: universe
[20:35] <sebner> yosch: ubuntu-release for main, motu-release for universe
[20:35] <RainCT> then mout-release
[20:35] <sebner> RainCT: :P
[20:35] <RainCT> ^^
[20:35] <yosch> RainCT: alright got it. Thanks.
[20:36] <sebner> RainCT: möhh ^^
[20:36] <jdong> holy crap the lzmafication of my backups takes a long time :(
[20:57] <norsetto> sebner: I would delete the last remark in debian/changelog, thats normal procedure
[20:58] <sebner> norsetto: ^^ k though I love to do it. Scott already gave a motu-release ack so you may want to upload it? Should I make a new debdiff you would you remove the *note ?
[20:59] <norsetto> sebner: scott acked from a motu-release pov, you still need sponsoring, thats why I'm telling you
[20:59] <sebner> norsetto: citat "You may want to upload it"
[21:00] <norsetto> sebner: ok, I will rework the changelog but note that I'm still getting a warning
[21:00] <sebner> norsetto: wired. Let me check it again
[21:01] <norsetto> sebner: Conky: use_spacer should have an argument of left, right, or none.  'yes' seems to be some form of 'true', so defaulting to right.
[21:02] <sebner> norsetto: That's another mistake. I think I should patch the whole conky.conf
[21:02] <norsetto> sebner: note that we have use_spacer no in conky.conf ....
[21:02] <sebner> norsetto: a wait. I patched it to "none"
[21:03] <norsetto> sebner: are you sure that by patching the data/conky.conf you are actually patching the one installed in /etc/conky/conky.conf?
[21:04] <sebner> norsetto: I installed the patched version and it patched my /etc/conky/conky.conf as well
[21:08] <sebner> norsetto: what are exactly the steps to reproduce it?
[21:08] <norsetto> sebner: well, the file in /etc/conky/conky.conf is different from data/conky.conf (which is installed in /usr/data/doc/conky/examples)
[21:09] <norsetto> sebner: we should check the upstream Makefile to see how this is installed
[21:09] <sebner> norsetto: but it got patched too /here O_o
[21:09] <blueyed> What status should bugs for ~motu-release have? Or aren't they ACKed, as long as motu-release is subscribed?
[21:09] <blueyed> btw: I'd like to have an ACK for bug 217072 :)
[21:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 217072 in popfile "Popfile is missing IMAP support contrary to description." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217072
[21:11] <sebner> norsetto: SUBDIRs: data .. wth?
[21:13] <sebner> norsetto: it's really strange. So what do you do "exactly" whichs causes the warning?
[21:13] <geser> blueyed: I might be not uptodate on current processes but shouldn't bugs presented to ~motu-release be set to new and once ACKed by ~motu-release set by them to confirmed?
[21:13] <blueyed> geser: I would have thought so, too, but the queue looks different.
[21:15] <geser> blueyed: you could try to ask norsetto (or any other from ~motu-release)
[21:16] <norsetto> sebner: ok, got it
[21:17] <norsetto> sebner:  it is considered (correctly) as a conf file, so its not replaced on upgrade
[21:17] <blueyed> norsetto: is there any special use of "Status" in the ~motu-release queue?
[21:17] <cgillogly> can anyone help me backport pidgin form hardy to gusty...i'm trying to do my own backport since there nothing in the official repo yet
[21:17] <norsetto> blueyed: yes, new for non-acked requests and confirmed once accepted
[21:18] <blueyed> norsetto: ok. thanks.
[21:18] <cgillogly> i've tried using prevu and it's having some dependency issues and i'm not very familiar with doing backports or building packages in general
[21:20] <blueyed> norsetto: which may be confusing btw, because it falls on the radar of triagers again then.
[21:22] <norsetto> blueyed: this is the precedure we have been using for as long as I can remember, triagers should be informed accordingly
[21:23] <sebner> norsetto: Ah. I once reintalled conky. Maybe the next version I installed was already patched ... So debdiff is ok?
[21:23] <blueyed> norsetto: well, it's OK for me.. just a note.. triagers will see what's going on when looking at the bug, but might pick it by accident before.
[21:24] <norsetto> sebner: yes, but I don't like this, we will keep the conf file forever, unless we purge
[21:24] <norsetto> blueyed: don't worry, we have a lonbg pointy stick
[21:24] <sebner> norsetto: what other possibilities do we have? Since release is comming nearer and nearer
[21:29] <norsetto> sebner: either using conffiles or maintainer scripts to manage installations/removals
[21:29] <sebner> norsetto: since I have no knowledge about it and stress at school the next days we may have a problem
[21:30] <norsetto> sebner: this should anyhow be done in concert with Kapil, best would be to send him an email telling him about the problem
[21:31] <sebner> norsetto: yeah. but you know 10 days left
[21:32] <norsetto> sebner: that will be for intrepid
[21:32] <sebner> norsetto: ahh
[21:32] <sebner> norsetto: ok then ^^
[21:47] <yosch> norsetto: do you have a minute to look at an exception request?
[21:47] <norsetto> yosh: let me finish the one I'm currently looking at, you are the next I believe
[21:48] <norsetto> yosch: let me finish the one I'm currently looking at, you are the next I believe
[21:48] <yosch> norsetto: yep, no problem. thanks.
[21:56] <norsetto> yesch: you should at least provide the info in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess, note that the package in hardy right now is 0.2-0ubuntu1 while yours is 002.000-0ubuntu1
[21:58] <norsetto> yosch: is the only change the addition of the SFD sources?
[21:58] <norsetto> yosch: you should at least provide the info in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess, note that the package in hardy right now is 0.2-0ubuntu1 while yours is 002.000-0ubuntu1
[21:58] <yosch> norsetto: it's a new upstream, what extra info should I add?
[21:59] <norsetto> yosh: then you need to change version accordingly
[21:59] <norsetto> yosch: then you need to change version accordingly
[21:59]  * norsetto will type yosch name correctly once (hopefully)
[22:00] <norsetto> yosh: see the link for the info required
[22:00]  * norsetto fails yet again
[22:00] <norsetto> yosch: see the link for the info required
[22:01] <sebner> norsetto: conky already uploaded?
[22:01] <yosch> norsetto: I'm looking at the page
[22:01] <norsetto> sebner: yep
[22:02] <sebner> norsetto: great. :)
[22:02] <norsetto> yosch: did you base your package on the current hardy one? In the changelog there is no mention of it
[22:04] <pochu> norsetto: have you tried 'yos<tab>' ? ;)
[22:04] <norsetto> pocu: no (hehehe
[22:04] <pochu> heh
[22:04] <yosch> norsetto: it's a new release: the bug was that the source file was not available, the designer Canonical commissioned send the source file, I fixed the metadata and the readme according to the release decision from sabdfl, and made a new release from the tip of the branches hosted on LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntutitle
[22:05] <norsetto> yosch: right, so it seems that there is a divergence from your branch and the archive
[22:05] <yosch> so we're going one step back then I'll work (within the fonts team) on merging the various community branches, also synced on the LP project
[22:07] <yosch> norsetto: divergence? the diff with the current hardy package is rather larger yes. Or you mean something else?
[22:08] <norsetto> yosch: even a byte diff is a divergence to me
[22:09] <yosch> sure
[22:11] <yosch> now the LP project is the new upstream, and Canonical has clarified source availability, licensing and trademark issues, that's why we need the fixed package
[22:12] <yosch> what extra info do we need for the exception? I can attach the big diff to the bug.
[22:12] <norsetto> yosch: ok, but I think you should still base it on the hardy version or we have a problem with the consistency of the archive
[22:13] <yosch> BTW I had an ack in principle from cjwatson (whom I've been in contact with via email about this) earlier in #ubuntu-devel. He just had to focus on other bugs.
[22:14] <yosch> Sorry I don't see what you mean. it's a new upstream.
[22:18] <yosch> norsetto: sorry what do you mean when you say "base it on the hardy version"?
[22:19] <norsetto> yosch: base your package on the one we have in the repo, at least the changelog needs to have it in the history
[22:20] <norsetto> yosch: and debian copyright shall reflect the current upstream
[22:21] <yosch> it's a replacement package: new upstream location, new content, new structure. It made sense to not put changelog entries from before the bug was fixed.
[22:21] <RainCT> yosch: the old debian/changelog is still necessary if the package has the same name
[22:21] <norsetto> yosch: of course it does, unless you change the package name
[22:23] <yosch> right, a changelog entry then
[22:23] <yosch> what's the trouble with the debian/copyright?
[22:24] <yosch> it does reflect upstream
[22:24] <norsetto> yosch: you said the new upstream is the LP project
[22:26] <yosch> you want a "it was downloaded from?"
[22:26] <ajmitch> yay, I actually have icons on the desktop & a desktop background now
[22:27]  * ajmitch had a not-quite-smooth upgrade to hardy :)
[22:27] <yosch> the copyright and license fields are there and there's a Homepage in debian/control . also the Vcs-* fields
[22:27] <norsetto> yosch: who is the copyright owner ?
[22:28] <yosch> copyright owner is Canonical
[22:28] <norsetto> yosch: so why is canonical not upstream?
[22:28] <yosch> I had discussion with sabdfl on hosting this on LP for the LoCos to branch it
[22:30] <yosch> the name of the designer commissioned by Canonical before it got hosted on LP is still there. I see no reason to drop it!
[22:30] <yosch> but I can add a it was downloaded from ... if you want
[22:30] <norsetto> yosch: no, of course not, but you should add the current one
[22:31] <yosch> norsetto: OK got it.
[22:31] <yosch> I'll add the needed changes
[22:33] <norsetto> yosch: ok, don't forget to set the status to new once finished or it may not be checked by a motu-release member
[22:34] <yosch> norsetto: ok willdo. Thanks for the feedback.
[22:34] <norsetto> yosch: np
[22:35] <norsetto> g'night folks
[23:55] <tacone> hello, I am looking for a way to learn and help. what should I do to get a mentor to help me a little bit ?


[17:02] <gpiccoli> hey sub526, do you have deb-src enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[17:02] <gpiccoli> One way is to use "apt-get source", the other is git
[17:02] <gpiccoli> there is a good guide here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[17:03] <gpiccoli> for your specific demand, you'll need to set "IRQSOFF_TRACER=y" in my understanding
[17:03] <gpiccoli> sub526 ^
[18:08] <tomreyn> sub526: be sure to also install any pending updates, your system lacks security + bug fixes.
[18:09] <tomreyn> (the community provides support in #ubuntu)


[00:30] <holstein> zequence: testing is over? i was looking at this last upgrade test
[00:30] <holstein> looks like we are go
[07:09] <zequence> holstein: Yes. The upgrade test is sort of extra. Even if it fails, we publish.
[08:03] <cub> Beta baby!
[12:15] <zequence> A friend is turning 40 today, so I guess I won't be doing much development for the next couple of days
[12:21] <elfy> those were the days ...
[13:49] <zequence> elfy: You can't be much older?
[13:50] <elfy> almost 11 years older
[13:51] <zequence> elfy: you're like the first generation that ever saw a computer - I'm about 36 myself
[13:52] <elfy> :)
[14:32] <holstein> zequence: cheers
[14:33] <holstein> for the record.. i vote staying with xubuntu on the support lenght
[14:33] <holstein> 3 years or whatever they do
[14:51] <micahg> zequence: with libav now in universe, that's a security burden as well (though shared with Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Kylin)
[14:52] <micahg> gah, wrong channel


[13:31] <phillw>  Hi good people, is apt-get easy link for such areas as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats going to be made working again, or do we need to remove it from the wiki pages and use the terminal command only?
[19:44] <xnox> GridCube: see #ubuntu-mir, but note that most people are away during weekend.
[19:45] <xnox> jdoles: just precise-updates is not enough, you should have precise, precise-security as well.
[19:51] <GridCube> xnox, :) thanks, i found it yesterday and got the answer i needed, there is no support for multiple monitors so far
[19:51] <xnox> GridCube: there are bugs open and it's work in progress. I am waiting for it as well.
[20:21] <jdoles> xnox: I have those too.
[20:26]  * xnox is confused about zsh FTBFS
[20:29] <jdoles> xnox: do you know where a fastcgi application started by Apache2 has its current working directory?
[20:30] <xnox> jdoles: hm.... not really, no. Why are you asking me? =) i'm not really fastcgi nor apache2 expert.
[20:30] <jdoles>  I think I will just have to redesign the application then, if nobody can tell me this.
[20:31] <xnox> jdoles: what application?!
[20:38] <cjwatson> jdoles: Arrange for it to hang around for long enough that you can inspect the running process, and then look at /proc/PROCESS-ID/cwd
[20:38] <cjwatson> Or indeed just have it print out /proc/$$/cwd or the equivalent in whatever language is involved
[20:39] <cjwatson> print out> I mean print the target of that symlink
[20:39] <jdoles> xnox: it's a question which is not dependent on the application.
[20:40] <jdoles> cjwatson: thank you.
[20:40] <jdoles> cjwatson: pwdx should be implemented with that.
[20:41] <jdoles> cjwatson: because your solution works in an environment where pwdx doesn't.
[20:41] <cjwatson> pwdx *is* implemented with that
[20:41] <cjwatson> (I just checked)
[20:42] <jdoles> cjwatson: that's odd.
[20:43] <cjwatson> There's no other way to get the working directory of another process, as far as I know
[20:43] <jdoles> cjwatson: pwdx: invalid process id: 12341
[20:43] <cjwatson> Then that process doesn't exist, so you're calling it wrong ...
[20:43] <jdoles> cjwatson: no, because file /proc/12341/cwd does work.
[20:44] <cjwatson> Dunno.  strace it to find out
[20:44]  * cjwatson has to go attend to baby
[20:45] <jdoles> cjwatson: it's not locale independent.
[20:46] <jdoles> cjwatson: I don't think the locale should matter this much at least, and as such it's a bug.
[23:03] <cjwatson> jdoles: Where's the locale-dependency?  (That said I can't say I even knew about pwdx before you mentioned it; seems like a niche tool)
[23:18] <lifeless> cjwatson: remember me mentioning a failed GPT grub environment? I held of filing until I upgraded to R, in case it was fixed. It wasn't.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1208268
[23:18] <lifeless> cjwatson: if you could let me know what info you need to reproduce, I'll add it in asap


[00:59] <heleen> what alpha build is out atm?
[00:59] <heleen> a-1?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> a2
[00:59] <BUGabundo> going on a3
[01:00] <BUGabundo> plus you have dailies heleen
[01:00] <BUGabundo> !daily | heleen
[01:00] <heleen> k0ol
[01:00] <heleen> ty
[01:00] <BUGabundo> np
[02:05] <nellery> are you supposed to be able to suspend/hibernate yet on Karmic?
[03:14] <Sarvatt> hmmm
[03:14] <Sarvatt> /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor: undefined symbol: gdu_error_check_polkit_not_authorized
[03:15] <Sarvatt> gvfsd-computer is removing all possible mounts when i try to mount my sd card
[04:18] <m_tadeu> hi all
[04:18] <m_tadeu> how can I check if my intel video card is using exa or uxa?
[04:19] <Sarvatt> if you're on karmic there's only UXA
[04:21] <m_tadeu> on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha2 says it's not enabled by default
[04:35] <Sarvatt> that was left over from alpha 1 when we still had 2.7.1
[04:46] <dvz-> is alsamixer supposed to work in 9.10?
[04:48] <m_tadeu> dvz-: it is
[04:48] <m_tadeu> at least is working here
[04:48] <dvz-> hrm. alsamixer worked fine before the upgrade, and after the upgrade it gives me alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default
[05:31] <dvz-> should i have /dev/dsp2 symlink to /dev/dsp ?
[08:07] <coz_> guys has there been a update that changed the cards      data themes ?
[08:08] <coz_> I have some real ugly card themes in patience  on kde  all of a suddenn:)
[08:35] <nhasian> hello everyone
[08:42] <nhasian> i'm wondering, can i have firefox 3.0 and 3.5 installed at the same time?  or must i remove 3.0 first?
[08:52] <AnAnt> Hello, is there going to be a parental control software in karmic ?
[08:53] <nhasian> AnAnt, i dont know if its builtin, but i know you can easily add it via synaptic package manager.
[08:53] <AnAnt> nhasian: you know the package name ?
[08:54] <nhasian> they use it in ubuntu sabily (formerly muslim edition) let me look it up for you
[08:55] <AnAnt> nhasian: oh, I know that one
[08:55] <AnAnt> I'm from sabily team actually
[08:55] <nhasian> hey small world :)
[08:55] <nhasian> me too
[08:56] <AnAnt> ?
[08:56] <nhasian> its called webstrict isnt it?
[08:56] <nhasian> well i'm part of the sabily launchpad team
[08:57] <nhasian> i dont do any of the coding, but i've been testing it out since 8.10 i think
[08:57] <nhasian> i follow the newsletter, but i'm usually just lurking.  dont post much
[08:58] <AnAnt> غثس
[08:58] <AnAnt> yes
[08:58] <AnAnt> nhasian: ah, ok
[08:59] <nhasian> i was rather irked that we had to change the name from ubuntu muslim edition to sabily.  i wonder if Ubuntu Satin Edition had to change their name too...
[08:59] <AnAnt> anyways, there was supposed to be a discussion in UDS about parental control software (gchildcare or webcontentcontrol), but I heard nothing about it since UDS
[09:04] <AnAnt> is Rick Spencer here ?
[11:04] <BUGabundo> hallo
[11:17] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ping. hi. do you have the bug id for that GTK sort crash?? it happens a lot with all versions of Firefox. FF team needs to change Affects to GTK
[12:54] <yofel> hm, what installation medium do I need to get if I want lpia?
[13:12] <BUGabundo> yofel: do you *really* want lpia?
[13:13] <BUGabundo> yofel: I would go with minimal installer for lpia, and build from there
[13:14] <BUGabundo> humm can't find lpia minimal iso
[13:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:15] <BUGabundo> yofel: MID has lpia http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/daily-live/current/
[13:17] <BUGabundo> is there somewhere where PA stores the volume per app? I need to raise Pidgin
[13:26] <BUGabundo> anyone ever heard of http://www.ksplice.com/ ? upgrading without reboots
[13:32] <SwedeMike> yes, there was a slashdot article
[13:32] <SwedeMike> I know people who have been doing those kind of fixes with modules, don't know if this does the same
[13:33] <SwedeMike> but I wish they would be doing it for debian instead, it's more needed there (longer product cycle, more people using it for servers)
[13:34] <BUGabundo> yeah
[13:34] <BUGabundo> so they repackage the packages?
[13:35] <SwedeMike> I don't know.
[13:37] <SwedeMike> sigh... the se ubuntu archive isn't reachable over v6, pingable, but not port 80 reachable
[13:37] <BluesKaj> good day folks
[13:37] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[14:15] <coz_> guys I see an nvidia update the last few days..any issues with this?
[14:17] <coz_> oh man removeing al DKMS modules?
[14:17] <coz_> i hope this doesn screw things up again time to reboot :)
[14:19] <BUGabundo> its working for me
[14:33] <tgpraveen> is gnome-shell in the karmic repos?
[14:33] <tgpraveen> !gnome-shell
[14:38] <yofel> ! info gnome-shell
[14:38] <yofel> !info gnome-shell
[14:38] <tgpraveen> !info zeitgest
[14:40] <BluesKaj> !bash
[14:40] <BUGabundo> !search gnome-shell
[14:40] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: doesn't seem to be
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome)
[14:41] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:41] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: what does !search do?
[14:41] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: errr searchs ?
[14:41] <tgpraveen> in what?
[14:41] <tgpraveen> !search empathy
[14:42] <tgpraveen> ^^ did it not find it?
[14:48] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[14:48] <BUGabundo> guess its buggy
[14:54] <poseidon> Why is it that when I do sudo apt-get upgrade I get "The following packages have been kept back:" and a list of some packages?
[15:02] <yofel> poseidon: dependency problems i guess? what does aptitude tell you?
[15:07] <poseidon> yofel, thanks.  Forgot to use aptitude
[15:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, aptitude seems far better with juanty and karmic than apt-get
[15:18] <BluesKaj> err jaunty
[15:20] <BUGabundo> +1
[15:23] <tgpraveen> did anyone here try the new html 5 <video> tag site
[15:23] <tgpraveen> like tinyvid.tv or dialymotion etc?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> Me
[15:24] <tgpraveen> i am trying right now with ff 3.5 and my cpu usage goes very high
[15:24] <BUGabundo> not here
[15:24] <BUGabundo> thepirarevideo.org is ok, so is dailymotion
[15:24] <tgpraveen> i was hoping that without flash i would be able to finally see vid on web in a resource efficient manner
[15:25] <tgpraveen> i mean with flash cpu going absurdly high is understandable
[15:25] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: does it happen with flash for u?
[15:25] <tgpraveen> also what are ur sys specs?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> C2D 2.4GHz T8300
[15:26] <tgpraveen> my ff at 50% cpu and 400 mb ram
[15:26] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[15:26] <tgpraveen> i have a pentium 4 2.4 ghz
[15:26] <tgpraveen> :-(
[15:26] <BUGabundo> 21577 bugabund 268m  36m 736m  20   0 R  1.0  6.8  10:17.09 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/firefox-3.6
[15:28] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: i found tinyvid.tv and archive.org are also very good sources for these type of vids
[15:28]  * BUGabundo checks
[15:30] <BUGabundo> humm it seems to be running a bit slow
[15:30] <BUGabundo> but that could be PA acting up
[15:30] <BUGabundo> even local vids on xvid have trouble now
[15:34] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: 21577 bugabund 289m  38m 818m  20   0 R  8.4  7.4  11:10.73 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6a1pre/firefox-3.6
[15:34] <BUGabundo> while playing vid
[15:34] <BUGabundo> http://tinyvid.tv/show/bxl6jthyi7le
[15:40] <macvr> does anyone know if the default media player is going to be banshee? someone is insisting this in the papercuts bugs
[15:40] <tgpraveen> macvr: yes it is
[15:40] <macvr> damn!
[15:40] <tgpraveen> most probably if they fix some show stopper bugs
[15:41] <tgpraveen> in time for feature freeze
[15:41] <tgpraveen> whichi think is pretty likely
[15:42] <macvr> thanx :)
[15:42] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: lol that vid is nice
[15:42] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: just a random one
[15:44] <tgpraveen> !info firefox-3.6
[15:44] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:44] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: daily PPA only
[15:45] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: i am on 3.5 right now. is 3.6 much faster than it while not loosing tooo much stability?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> its faster
[15:48] <BUGabundo> not sure how much more
[15:49] <tgpraveen> ok. ppa link pls ;-) ?
[15:50] <yofel> tgpraveen: search google for the mozilla daily build ppa - first link
[15:52] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[15:52] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[15:53] <BUGabundo> http://lmgtfy.com/mozilla+daily+ppa
[15:53] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[15:53] <BUGabundo> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mozilla+daily+ppa
[15:53] <BUGabundo> forgot the q= ehe
[16:33] <dvz-> anyone good with alsa/sound?  upgraded to karmic and only the startup sound works while no other sound works.  and i keep getting alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[16:34] <BUGabundo> dvz-: wfm sometimes
[16:34] <BUGabundo> install pavucontrol
[16:34] <BUGabundo> and check if anything is lower then 80%
[16:50] <mahfiaz> hey, does anybody know why evolution segfaults?
[16:52] <mahfiaz> bt refers to libgail.so
[16:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[16:52] <BUGabundo> not the 1st time I read about that lib
[16:52] <BUGabundo> anything on LP ?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> oh wait, its DOWN eheh
[16:52] <Bmw1000c> lol
[16:57] <dvz-> BUGabundo: everything seems fine @ 100%
[16:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Is your battery status monitor working today? Mine is broken since last upgrade (in karmic)
[16:58] <BUGabundo> hey Le-Chuck_ITA
[16:58] <BUGabundo> GPM is broken for a few days
[16:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> very good :)
[16:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks BUGabundo if it's known that's good
[16:59] <BUGabundo> not sure *how* known it is
[16:59] <BUGabundo> haven't placed it on LP
[16:59] <BUGabundo> and that is down now
[17:00] <BUGabundo> coming up as we speak
[17:00] <tgpraveen> yes LP seems to be down too many times these days
[17:00] <tgpraveen> really irritating
[17:01] <mahfiaz> libgail is for accessibility - I disabled the assistive technologies and evolution works fine now (I enabled it only for translating)
[17:01] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: not true
[17:29] <tgpraveen> anyone know of gnome shell or zeitgest ppa
[17:29] <tgpraveen> which has working condition software
[17:40] <cyphermox> tgpraveen: i don't know about working condition, but check out http://live.gnome.org/GnomeZeitgeist
[17:50] <tgpraveen> forums down for anyone else?
[17:50] <tgpraveen> Service Temporarily Unavailable
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[17:51] <ikonia> tgpraveen: message seems pretty clear
[17:51] <tgpraveen> well i was wondering if it was only in my region
[17:52] <ikonia> if it is / is not - does it matter ?
[17:53] <tgpraveen> yes. it tells if it is scheduled maintainence or a problem somwhere and that alos
[17:53] <tgpraveen> gives an idea of how long it will take for the issue
[17:53] <ikonia> either way what can you do ?
[17:53] <tgpraveen> to resolve itself
[17:53] <ikonia> no it doesn't how long is scheduled maintained ?
[17:53] <ikonia> maintenance
[17:53] <ikonia> how long is a network problem ?
[17:53] <ikonia> it's all unknown
[17:54] <Bmw1000c> wtf
[17:54] <ikonia> Bmw1000c: don't need to see that sort of language please
[17:54] <ikonia> Bmw1000c: we know what it means and it's not required
[17:55] <Bmw1000c> lol
[17:55] <Bmw1000c> sure
[17:55] <ikonia> thanks
[17:59] <thomthom> Any news if/when 2.6.30-10 will handle vga=795 option
[17:59] <thomthom> news=idea*
[17:59] <BUGabundo> thomthom: ticket still open
[17:59] <ikonia> thomthom: didn't know it didn't
[18:00] <BUGabundo> no comment in a few days
[18:00] <ikonia> is that card specific or generic
[18:00] <BUGabundo> ikonia: known bug
[18:00] <BUGabundo> affects nvidia (and intel?)
[18:00] <BUGabundo> something to do with KMS
[18:00] <ikonia> that explains nvidia
[18:01] <BUGabundo> yep
[18:01] <BUGabundo> I'm affected too
[18:01] <thomthom> just checking, I prefer to see that than the splash
[18:01] <BUGabundo> thomthom: no splash for KK
[18:02] <BUGabundo> 10 secs boot or black screen :)
[18:02] <thomthom> I see the 9.04 slash theme with 9.10
[18:02] <thomthom> splash*
[18:02] <BUGabundo> *saw
[18:03] <thomthom> I mean gdm, sorry
[18:04] <Bmw1000c> 10 secs boot yeah :)
[18:04] <thomthom> from pushing the power button to a usable system takes about 50 sec.
[18:05] <thomthom> for me
[18:05] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: yeah we all know you got a 9 sec boot.... stop claiming it
[18:06] <BUGabundo> thomthom: mine takes like 1:40
[18:06] <Bmw1000c> is 10 sec lol
[18:06] <Bmw1000c> it's*
[18:07] <ikonia> Bmw1000c: that would be very impressive consider mine take about 15 seconds with an SLC SSD drive
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> i have hdd
[18:07] <ikonia> hdd ?
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> i'm talking 10 secs in bootchart
[18:07] <Bmw1000c> to fully operable it's about 30 secs
[18:08] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: ok ok post a bootcahrt
[18:08] <BUGabundo> *bootchart
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> are you sure
[18:08] <BUGabundo> :x
[18:08] <BUGabundo> be happy once more
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-4.png
[18:08] <Bmw1000c> https://files.getdropbox.com/u/1416038/bmw-desktop-karmic-20090625-5.png
[18:09] <BUGabundo> ahh using my little hack eheh
[18:09] <Bmw1000c> :P
[18:10] <ikonia> shows 45 seconds to me on that boot chart
[18:10] <BUGabundo> 100MB/s
[18:10] <BUGabundo> ikonia: its patched to count past the GDM
[18:10] <ikonia> ah
[18:10] <BUGabundo> its a little hack I've made
[18:11] <benten> hi
[18:11] <BUGabundo> so I can check how long until fully ready to use
[18:11] <benten> dbus-daemon has gone mad. how to fix it ?
[18:11] <Bmw1000c> first link it the hack-free bootchart
[18:11] <BUGabundo> hi bent
[18:11] <Bmw1000c> it's*
[18:12] <benten> i get lots of these messages: dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.36" (uid=1000 pid=5513 comm="/usr/lib/indicator-applet/indicator-applet --oaf-a") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="Get" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination=":1.54" (uid=0 pid=9331 comm="/USR/SBIN/CRON "))
[18:14] <s1gmab3ta> hey guys, a botched update broke my karmic installation, but mostly only broke GRUB i think. the entries in the grub menu are blank. if I boot into a live karmic session, is there some way (grub-install or something) to fix it? I am not too well-versed in working with GRUB2
[18:16] <Bmw1000c> ikonia do you use koala or jaunty?
[18:16] <ikonia> Bmw1000c: for production use or what ?
[18:17] <Bmw1000c> home
[18:17] <BUGabundo> ikonia: with those SSDs
[18:17] <ikonia> Bmw1000c: my home desktop is 9.04
[18:17] <Bmw1000c> yeah i was asking in the ssd machine lol
[18:17] <Bmw1000c> i forgot
[18:17] <ikonia> yes, that's 9.04
[18:17] <Bmw1000c> oh, ok
[18:19] <BUGabundo> uploading my recent bootcharts
[18:20] <tgpraveen> i was just reading this list of papercuts solved this week and the also some of the future cuts and from this report itself and also from the comments section of many of the future milestone bugs i can see majority of bugs falling into 2 categories
[18:20] <tgpraveen> http://blog.davebsd.com/2009/06/28/first-paper-cut-milestone-reached/
[18:20] <BUGabundo> Bmw1000c: ikonia http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[18:20] <tgpraveen> either 1. fixed upstream independent of help from ubuntu team/papercut proj
[18:21] <tgpraveen> 2. just some changes to naming eg. clean up by name->arrange by name
[18:21] <tgpraveen> what do u guys think?
[18:21] <tgpraveen> are these observations true or are they actually doing better.
[18:22] <tgpraveen> and i do know that papercut means minor bug but still there could
[18:22] <tgpraveen> be more types of bugs like of type
[18:22] <tgpraveen> Width of notifications seem arbitrarily small
[18:22] <tgpraveen> or the bug about having a notification for all drive unmounts
[18:22] <s1gmab3ta> does anyone know anything about repairing a GRUB2 setup?
[18:23] <tgpraveen> this one is actually pretty nice
[18:24] <BluesKaj> !enter | tgpraveen
[18:25] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[18:25] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: +1
[18:25] <BluesKaj> <-- decides to get picky
[18:26] <tgpraveen> :-D k
[18:27] <Bmw1000c> hey ubottu how's it going eheh im fine thanks. i love when you speak here in this chan because you are always right about everything. thanks for providing me the best info in freenode
[18:28] <yofel> !bot | Bmw1000c
[18:28] <yofel> if you want to know even more about him :P
[18:29] <BUGabundo> yofel: or 'her' !
[18:29] <Bmw1000c> yeah i thought it was a girl
[18:29] <Bmw1000c> but it is a bot!!?? :|
[18:30] <yofel> lol
[18:30] <ikonia> "she" is a bot
[18:30] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:31] <benten> tgpraveen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC3p2do6DGs
[18:31] <Bmw1000c> i thought there was a connection between us
[18:31] <Bmw1000c> but it's only the internet connection lol :(
[18:31] <tgpraveen> benten: what is that^^?
[18:31] <ikonia> benten: could you explain how that is anything to do with ubuntu ?
[18:31] <benten> 2nd papercut
[18:32] <ikonia> benten: ?
[18:32] <tgpraveen> ikonia: am on slow connection. could u tell what it is?
[18:32] <ikonia> yes, hence why I'm asking what that has to do with ubuntu or 9.10 development discussion ?
[18:49] <s1gmab3ta> so  a botched update broke my karmic installation, but mostly only broke GRUB i think. the entries in the grub menu are blank. if I boot into a live karmic session, is there some way (grub-install or something) to fix it? I am not too well-versed in working with GRUB2
[18:51] <cyphermox> isn't there an option on a live cd to run rescue steps?
[18:54] <s1gmab3ta> that'd be the first i've heard of it, can you tell me more
[18:55] <cyphermox> i'm not sure, that's why I put a question mark
[18:56] <cyphermox> I know there used to be a rescue option on the livecd, but i'm not sure if it took care of grub.. or if it will work with grub2
[19:03] <cyphermox> i guess there isn't
[19:04] <cyphermox> but did you try the "Boot from local hard disk" option?
[19:07] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....does kdebluetooth support audio devices? The option is there, but disabled
[19:11] <tgpraveen> yay ubuntuforums seems to be back online
[19:49] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/359941
[19:49] <dupondje> dbus broken ?
[19:53] <mahfiaz> dupondje, I get the same error when connecting USB drive
[19:53] <BUGabundo> similar error here
[19:53] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/393051
[19:53] <Sarvatt> same here
[19:53] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: that's mine :)
[19:53] <BUGabundo> cli works dough
[19:53] <BUGabundo> better dupe those all others on LP
[20:05] <pronoy> guys is this channel also for kde users ?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> pronoy: running karmic, yes
[20:06] <pronoy> ok i've heard that you guys are integrating a new web browser called arora on it ? is it available for earlier versions right now ?
[20:07] <henke> anybody having problems running mono apps? f-spot and banshee don't run for me, with a missing dll error for "libMonoPosixHelper.so". packages.ubuntu.com seems down, does anybody know if any package provides that file?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> henke: $ dpkg -S libMonoPosixHelper
[20:09] <BUGabundo> henke: mono-runtime: /usr/lib/libMonoPosixHelper.so
[20:09] <henke> BUGabundo, thanks, somehow that has been uninstalled for me.
[20:09] <BUGabundo> np
[20:10] <BUGabundo> if so, should be a bug in depencies
[20:10] <BUGabundo> better make sure and file acordinly
[20:10] <BUGabundo> $ aptitude why mono-runtime
[20:10] <BUGabundo> i   sysinfo Depends mono-runtime (>= <IP_ADDRESS>)
[20:11] <BUGabundo> henke: f-spot depends on it
[20:11] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache depends f-spot | pastebinit
[20:11] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/205736/
[20:11] <BUGabundo>   Depends: mono-runtime
[20:13] <pronoy> can anyone answer my question ?
[20:13] <mahfiaz> btw, does NetworkManager work for somebody?
[20:14] <jpds> mahfiaz: If it didn't, they wouldn't be here.
[20:14] <mahfiaz> I upgraded yesterday and nm-applet says "Networkmanager does not work"
[20:15] <BUGabundo> mahfiaz: works fine here
[20:15] <BUGabundo> pronoy: no idea
[20:17] <Wicla> Uhm. Doesn't GRUB2 work with multi-boot at all or is it just broken during alpha2 setup? I mean, if you install Ubuntu then Windows. Does it work booting alpha2 CD to reinstall grub2 to mbr successfully?
[20:18] <Biba> Hey I have a problem with instaling ubuntu on my pc could someone help me?
[20:18] <jpds> Wicla: If you install Ubuntu, then Windows... Windows overwrites GRUB anyway.
[20:19] <Biba> I want to delete windows than instal ubuntu
[20:19] <mahfiaz> Biba, just install ubuntu and let it use whole disk
[20:19] <BUGabundo> Biba: please go to #ubuntu for support! this # is for the devel version karmoc
[20:19] <BUGabundo> *karmic
[20:19] <mahfiaz> this erases all windows partitions and data
[20:19] <Biba> Ok thx
[20:20] <Wicla> jpds: yeah i know. But once both systems is installed you're able to rewrite grub2 into mbr?
[20:20] <Wicla> I'll just test and see
[20:39] <dupondje> seems there are alot of bugreports on the USB issue
[20:56] <Sarvatt> so where do battery and ac event scripts go now that they ripped them  out of acpi-support?
[20:58] <Sarvatt> i've been unloading all the modules i dont need like webcam and NIC when on battery, and adjusting the txpower and power management settings of my wifi via those scripts
[21:04] <dtchen> make sure you cover the scaling governor, too.
[21:05] <dupondje> error sender=:1.5 -> dest=:1.41 error_name=org.glib.GError.g_2Dio_2Derror_2Dquark.c16 reply_serial=8
[21:05] <dupondje> mmm :p
[21:06] <dupondje> BUGabundo: dbus-monitor :)
[21:06] <dupondje> and check whats going wrong
[21:07] <dtchen> you can also try re-enabling glitch-free pulse:  cat /etc/pulse/default.pa |sed s/tsched=0$//g > ~/.pulse/default.pa
[21:07] <dtchen> Sarvatt: ^^ (both points)
[21:07] <Sarvatt> i only use userspace to force full cpu speed rarely, ondemand is good enough for me but i do also lower the report rate on psmouse on battery because it causes ~500 wakeups/second in use and 200 lowered
[21:08] <dtchen> i use conservative
[21:08] <dtchen> there are literally hundreds of places you can tweak an install to squeeze more life
[21:08] <Sarvatt> but i dont know where to put scripts now because the acpi-support ac.d and battery.d doesnt get called anymore
[21:09] <Sarvatt> don't rather
[21:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I used to use consevative
[21:09] <BUGabundo> but recent studies show that that is not the best choice
[21:09] <BUGabundo> since it delays the CPU making it run longer
[21:10] <Sarvatt> theres been a ton of changes to ondemand in 30 and 31 and i stopped using conservative because it seems to work better now
[21:11] <dtchen> Sarvatt: see pm-powersave(8) for the appropriate migrated directories
[21:12] <Sarvatt> thanks dtchen! i havent had time to look at it yet with all the other problems and was hoping someone knew, that helps alot
[21:14] <Sarvatt> i use 100hz on my kernels because nohz only sleeps for around 2.5 seconds on x86 so glitch free isnt really an option
[21:14] <dtchen> BUGabundo: good point, though ondemand is still somewhat subpar for my test cases
[21:14] <BUGabundo> I guess dtchen
[21:15] <BUGabundo> it only makes sense for me, *if* you don't really want to start the fan
[21:15] <BUGabundo> but since kernel -30 that doesn't make much case for me
[21:15] <BUGabundo> since my fun never stops now :(((
[21:15] <BUGabundo> not sure if it its kernel bug, or just dust in the fan
[21:16] <dtchen> glitch-free works better for my hardware in 2.6.31-rc1
[21:16] <dtchen> we still don't enable PREEMPT, which is a killer
[21:16] <dtchen> i'll write up a test pattern tonight and ask andy to roll some kernels to test
[21:17] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I still haven't manage to get a proper setting for PA
[21:17] <dtchen> i think 250 and 1000 Hz are good starting points; i don't see a real need for 100 Hz, but i'm happy to request that
[21:17] <BUGabundo> float1, float10, int, etc none work ok
[21:17] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i'm still using float-1
[21:17] <BUGabundo> some do good on something but suck on everyting else, others are just broken
[21:17] <BUGabundo> tried that
[21:17] <BUGabundo> but flash stall
[21:18] <BUGabundo> with 10, it plays for like 3-4 secs and then stops
[21:18] <BUGabundo> plays again, stops etc
[21:18] <BUGabundo> all float suck on Totem with fastfow
[21:19] <dtchen> BUGabundo: does it also happen when you reenable glitch-free (see above)?
[21:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: you mean cat /etc/pulse/default.pa |sed s/tsched=0$//g > ~/.pulse/default.pa
[21:23] <Sarvatt> x64 is so much  better than x86 for battery life since nohz can sleep interrupts for years vs the ~2.5 second limit on x86 and 1000hz for good glitch-free is an option but i'm stuck on x86 on this netbook and upping the hz on my kernel to use glitch-free causes alot more wakeups :( to be honest i usually go as far as removing all sound modules too on battery because i dont even need sound 90% of the time
[21:24] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes
[21:25] <BUGabundo> let me try
[21:25] <BUGabundo> done
[21:25] <dtchen> Sarvatt: just beware that (latter) approach; a lot of HDA controllers are severely broken and don't actually power down even if no driver is loaded
[21:26] <dtchen> Sarvatt: in fact, it's insufficient to _prevent_ the controller and codec drivers from loading, because most bioses actually power them _up_ on reboot
[21:27] <Sarvatt> but i have powersave set to 10 seconds for HDA, i would hope that removing them while its in powersave off would keep it off at least in that case..
[21:27] <dtchen> even worse is the disturbing trend to push everything into the bios/efi, because now we can't even deterministically work around such breakage.
[21:28] <dtchen> Sarvatt: yes, i suggested that be a test option for jaunty, but i landed it for karmic during uds
[21:28] <cwillu> dear god, can somebody explain to me why anything gstreamer'ish skips every few seconds now, when pulseaudio was absolutely rock solid since hardy?
[21:28] <dtchen> oh, right, i need to roll test kernels for the power-down fixes
[21:28] <dtchen> cwillu: what did you do?! ;-)
[21:29] <Sarvatt> i've got pcie_aspm enabled in my kernel too, noticed the ubuntu kernels dont enable it
[21:29] <cwillu> dtchen, I upgraded to jaunty
[21:29]  * BUGabundo pokes the friendy cwillu
[21:29]  * cwillu breaks down crying
[21:29] <BUGabundo> cwillu: Jaunty???
[21:29] <cwillu> :p
[21:29] <cwillu> sorry, not the place
[21:29] <BUGabundo> cwillu: come joins us in karmic
[21:29] <cwillu> although I'm running karmic's kernel here
[21:29] <Sarvatt> dont know why they dont enable it because it doesnt get used if the pcie device is too old unless you force it at boot time so it seems safe
[21:29] <BUGabundo> no, you are running -30 kernel... not the karmic one
[21:29] <dtchen> cwillu: err...
[21:30] <BUGabundo> OLOL
[21:30] <BUGabundo> cwillu: how was the trip
[21:30] <cwillu> BUGabundo, it's over now, and we will speak of it no more :p
[21:30] <dtchen> cwillu: if you're going with .30, you need an entirely new audio stack
[21:30] <cwillu> dtchen, I'm running the pulseaudio ppa as well
[21:30] <cwillu> so yes, this is probably all my own doing :p
[21:31] <dupondje> bleh
[21:31] <dupondje> :x
[21:31] <dtchen> i know the breakage for stock jaunty pretty well (because that's all likely my doing ;-), but once you toss in other pieces, err well...
[21:31] <BUGabundo> total MESSS
[21:31] <cwillu> can't run jaunty's kernel though, the ext4 hanger bites me really hard
[21:32] <cwillu> more stuff of my own doing :p
[21:32] <dtchen> BUGabundo: the last thing to test is adding your user to pulse-rt
[21:32] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ok, how ?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> to the group you mean?
[21:33] <Sarvatt> can you set that via dbus authorizations or do you need to add the user to the group too?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> $ groups
[21:34] <BUGabundo> bugabundo sys adm dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape sudo dip www-data video plugdev users syslog scanner fuse lpadmin admin netdev polkituser sambashare kvm nagios davfs2
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I'll need to login again for it to work
[21:34] <BUGabundo> humm why is nagios still there?!?!
[21:34] <Sarvatt> org.pulseaudio.aquire-real-time
[21:35] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you need to purge it if you want all its gunk to go away
[21:35] <Sarvatt> cwillu: you "upgraded" the acer to jaunty?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> cwillu: that's what I usually do
[21:35] <cwillu> Sarvatt, the acer is on karmic
[21:35] <Sarvatt> you want to grab karmic's pm-utils package too if so
[21:35] <BUGabundo> that's why I find it strange to still be in there
[21:35] <Sarvatt> ahh ok
[21:35] <cwillu> this is my desktop that I'm griping about now :p
[21:36]  * cwillu has half a dozen machines within 5 feet of him, and he's not even at work right now :p
[21:36] <Sarvatt> jaunty's pm-utils doesnt handle KMS quirks for suspend/resume is why i said that
[21:37] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: right now we nothing managing power or suspend :\\
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I can only hibernate with $ pm-hibernate
[21:37] <cwillu> Sarvatt, this is also an nvidia chipset and videocard :p
[21:37] <BUGabundo> good old pm-utisl eheh
[21:37] <Sarvatt> ?
[21:38] <cwillu> so kms is a non-issue
[21:38] <Sarvatt> are you still on the broken devicekit-power BUGabundo?
[21:38] <Sarvatt> if so upgrade to 1ubuntu2 and reboot :D
[21:38] <Sarvatt> 1ubuntu1 was broken
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: no upgrades to be done!
[21:39] <BUGabundo> fully uptodate
[21:39] <BUGabundo> even power button works now
[21:39] <Sarvatt> did you upgrade since the last time you rebooted?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> but FUSA is not showing hibernate/suspend
[21:39]  * BUGabundo thinking
[21:39] <Sarvatt> devicekit-daemon stays running with the old broken version after you upgrade until you reboot
[21:39] <BUGabundo> hum I reboot yesterday afternoon, I think
[21:40] <BUGabundo> cwillu: PVT
[21:40] <Sarvatt> the fix was last night here
[21:40] <BUGabundo> ahh
[21:40] <BUGabundo> so, No, I did not rebooted
[21:40] <cwillu> BUGabundo, ignoring it :p
[21:40] <Sarvatt> it should work when you reboot
[21:40] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:40] <BUGabundo> $ w 21:40:40 up 1 day,  5:05,  5 users,  load average: 4.68, 4.93, 4.58
[21:40] <Sarvatt> yeah for sure you dont have the fixed one running
[21:41] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:41] <Sarvatt> Sun Jun 28 00:05:19 BST 2009
[21:41] <Sarvatt> (was when it was updated)
[21:41] <BUGabundo>  -- Steve Langasek<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:41:38 -0700
[21:42] <BUGabundo> acpi-support (0.124) karmic; urgency=low
[21:42] <Sarvatt> its devicekit-power thats causing your problems
[21:42] <BUGabundo> or devicekit-power (008-1ubuntu2) karmic; urgency=low
[21:42] <Sarvatt> the daemon couldnt run with the 1ubuntu1 update, so no suspend/resume in gnome
[21:43] <Sarvatt> and upgrading it leaves the one thats broken running until you reboot
[21:44] <BUGabundo> btw
[21:44] <BUGabundo> anyone knows of anything causing lost of Color on videos ?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> some videos now are just bluesish or something
[21:45] <Sarvatt> nope havent heard of that, tried disabling the video extension in compiz? changed the video output device in your media player?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> humm tried all players I have
[21:46] <BUGabundo> and that ALL in the archive
[21:46] <BUGabundo> reboot, nothing
[21:47] <BUGabundo> after 30 sec of vid, some players stay ok
[21:47] <BUGabundo> mplayer complains a few lines on the YUV
[21:47] <Sarvatt> what GPU? have you changed the output settings around in system - preferences - multimedia system selector to see if its any different?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> [mpeg4 @ 0x7f508cb8b9e0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected
[21:48] <BUGabundo> VDec: vo config request - 512 x 384 (preferred colorspace: Planar YV12)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> VDec: using Planar YV12 as output csp (no 0)
[21:48] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: nvidia 8400m G
[21:49] <BUGabundo> multimedia is set to Auto
[21:50] <Sarvatt> oh i have no idea about nvidia binary drivers, will take a look at nvnews.net forums
[21:50] <cwillu> BUGabundo, sec
[21:50] <Sarvatt> you using vdpau?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> not sure
[21:51] <BUGabundo> let me check
[21:51] <cwillu> bah, nvm.  I thought I remembered something in the readme.txt.gz for nvidia-glx-180 about that, but I can't find it
[21:51] <BUGabundo> XV
[21:52] <BUGabundo> cwillu: just deleted that apt-changes
[21:52] <BUGabundo> didn't read anything usefull on this
[21:52] <BUGabundo> I went back to check it too
[21:52] <daubers> Hey chaps, just done an update and the usplash boot loader thing is off center
[21:53] <BUGabundo> darn mplayer.... crashes on it self! ::((
[21:53] <Sarvatt> try switching it to opengl output?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> gl or gl2 ?
[21:54] <dtchen> BUGabundo: which version? 185.18.14-0ubuntu1?
[21:54] <BUGabundo> dtchen: nvidia?
[21:54] <dtchen> yes
[21:54] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu1
[21:55] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I meant a historical issue or a commonly run into problem that they had documented
[21:55] <cwillu> but I can't find it
[21:55] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/205802/
[21:55] <dupondje> BUGabundo: nouveau works great ;)
[21:55] <BUGabundo> see gmplayer crash
[21:57] <BUGabundo>  MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: unknown - MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I did report a gdb bt a while ago upstream
[21:57] <BUGabundo> got zero replies :(
[21:57] <Sarvatt> bugabundo, try opening up the nvidia x server settings and lowering the saturation down to 0
[21:57] <BUGabundo> its zero already
[21:57] <BUGabundo> all of them are
[21:58] <Sarvatt> click save settings
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I can set -1000
[21:58] <Sarvatt> someone saying they had the same problem until they saved the settings because of a change since the older drivers
[21:58] <BUGabundo> thers no Save
[21:58] <BUGabundo> just quit
[21:58] <Sarvatt> where are the settings saved? guessing a .nvidia or something in your home folder?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I guess
[21:59] <Sarvatt> can ya find it and open up the configuration file? and look at the 0/XVideoTextureSaturation= line
[21:59] <cwillu> /home/cwillu/.nvidia-settings-rc
[21:59] <BUGabundo> /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc
[21:59] <Sarvatt> does it say 0 already?
[22:00] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc  http://paste.ubuntu.com/205806/
[22:00] <Sarvatt> yeah change lubug:0.0/XVideoTextureSaturation=-1000 to lubug:0.0/XVideoTextureSaturation=0
[22:00] <BUGabundo> was -1000 because of my last change
[22:00] <BUGabundo> yes I know
[22:00] <BUGabundo> set to 0 now
[22:01] <Sarvatt> someone was saying the .nvidia-settings-rc had 4096 after upgrading drivers and they had to change it to 0 and save even though the control panel app said it was at 0 already
[22:01] <BUGabundo> okayyyy now its B/W
[22:01] <cwillu> BUGabundo, pastebin your .nvidia-settings-rc
[22:01] <cwillu> lol
[22:01] <Sarvatt> its at -1000 still then lol
[22:02] <Sarvatt> might need to save it in the app at 0 again for it to stick
[22:02] <BUGabundo> cwillu: already did look up
[22:02]  * cwillu blinks
[22:02] <BUGabundo> haahah
[22:02] <BUGabundo> got the trick! input boxes don't work! I have to drag the bar
[22:02] <BUGabundo> :(((
[22:03] <BUGabundo> wanna fill a bug on nvidia?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:03] <cwillu> might want you to hit enter after changing it
[22:03] <BUGabundo> and I can only set -3 or 4
[22:03] <BUGabundo> no persision for more :(
[22:03] <BUGabundo> cwillu: doesn't work
[22:03] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:03] <cwillu> just edit the file :p
[22:03] <cwillu> and rerun nvidia-settings -l
[22:04] <BUGabundo> I did! when I opened nvidia settings it had the old one
[22:04] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /home/bugabundo/.nvidia-settings-rc
[22:04] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/205808/
[22:04] <BUGabundo> should be ok now
[22:04] <BUGabundo> testing video
[22:04] <Sarvatt> it doesnt let you save if you change it to -3 or whatever then save, then put it back at 0?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> ok seems to have done the trick
[22:05] <BUGabundo> not blue, not B/W
[22:05] <Sarvatt> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=133810
[22:06] <Sarvatt> We changed some of the Xv attribute ranges due to persistent problems with certain video players getting the defaults wrong.
[22:07] <Sarvatt> i guess 4096 used to be the middle of the slider and 0 was what -1000 is now
[22:07] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:08] <BUGabundo> now I only need to find a way to fix mplayer complain about tft
[22:08] <BUGabundo> seems I may have deleted a file too much
[22:09] <BUGabundo> I did purge and reinstall it. but no fix :(
[22:09] <BUGabundo> "Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)."
[22:09] <mahfiaz> has anyone figured out what to do with dbus?
[22:10] <Sarvatt> try changing the font in the settings
[22:10] <cwillu> E: memblock.c: Assertion 'length' failed at pulsecore/memblock.c:356, function pa_memblock_new_fixed(). Aborting.
[22:10] <BUGabundo> cwillu: yay
[22:10] <BUGabundo> cabum
[22:10]  * cwillu wraps up the pieces in a tarp and delivers them to dtchen
[22:10] <cwillu> not that he wants them :p
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:11] <BUGabundo> cwillu: that's a very non-standard case
[22:11] <cwillu> E: alsa-sink.c: ALSA woke us up to write new data to the device, but there was actually nothing to write!
[22:11] <cwillu> E: alsa-sink.c: Most likely this is a bug in the ALSA driver 'snd_intel8x0'. Please report this issue to the ALSA developers.
[22:11] <cwillu> E: alsa-sink.c: We were woken up with POLLOUT set -- however a subsequent snd_pcm_avail() returned 0 or another value < min_avail.
[22:11] <BUGabundo> hey RAOF
[22:11] <BUGabundo> !paste | cwillu
[22:11] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:12] <cwillu> BUGabundo, you realize that right there you spammed the channel _more_ than my three lines did? ;p
[22:12] <dtchen> cwillu: pulse bug and linux bugs, respectively
[22:13] <dtchen> pulse bug should be largely resolved in karmic's current pulse, but luke and i have 0.9.16-test1 waiting for a 2.6.31-rc1-based kernel and rtkit
[22:13] <dtchen> the linux bug is much more difficult to resolve
[22:14] <dtchen> all the hacks we have in place don't resolve the issue of the hardware not reporting dma pointer correctly
[22:14] <dtchen> i.e., hardware sucks ;-)
[22:14] <cwillu> that error doesn't seem to coincide with any other issues
[22:14] <BUGabundo> dtchen: realistic: when will Linux as an whole have a decent Audio Stack??
[22:14] <cwillu> fires once when pulse start up
[22:14] <cwillu> !info pulseaudio
[22:15] <cwillu> I'm running -3ubuntu1~ppa2
[22:15] <dtchen> cwillu: right, the linux issue is there regardless whether pulse is used. it's just that pulse _expects_ the dma pointer to be correct, whereas other apps using alsa-lib don't care.
[22:15]  * cwillu shrugs
[22:16] <dtchen> pulse is different because it has to mix potentially disparate sources into multiple outputs simultaneously
[22:16] <dtchen> BUGabundo: well, that question is really "when will distro X have a decent audio stack"?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> and then tries to Flat them.... that's so NOT working .....
[22:16] <dtchen> BUGabundo: flatvol is already addressed in 0.9.16-test1
[22:16] <BUGabundo> dtchen: ok. when will *this* distro have it?
[22:17] <cwillu> dtchen, without wanting to come off as an oss or alsa zealot, how does that jive with the usual "alsa can mix applications just fine these days" complaints?
[22:17] <dtchen> BUGabundo: hard to say, and i'm not good at predicting the future. all i can say is that everyone is working very hard to make each release noticeably better.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> and we see it better
[22:18] <BUGabundo> but I still find so many hurds!
[22:18] <dtchen> cwillu: alsa _can't_ mix applications just fine for the same use cases that pulse does.
[22:18] <BUGabundo> its like there's an entire world of stuff to change
[22:18] <cwillu> dtchen, fair enough
[22:19] <dtchen> cwillu: the argument put forth is that dmix is perfectly sufficient of mixing multiple 16-bit 44.1 kHz 2-channel streams to _one_ output, and that's supposedly perfectly sufficient for "everyone"
[22:19] <BUGabundo> !info dmix
[22:20] <cwillu> dtchen, okay
[22:20] <cwillu> admittedly, it is enough for some of people, and it's frustrating to have audio broken because of features I don't use
[22:20] <dtchen> cwillu: of course, that argument is flawed, because desktop users no longer want _just_ that; we want 16-bit and 24-bit, 44.1 kHz and 48 kHz (and upward) and stereo and 5.1 streams going to multiple devices over 802.11abgn nets
[22:21] <cwillu> that it's enough for everyone is certainly flawed
[22:22] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes, there _is_ an enormous amount to pull out of the slag and make up-to-par
[22:23] <dtchen> BUGabundo: (dmix is an alsa-lib "core plugin" for mixing multiple playback streams)
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:24] <dtchen> (dsnoop is the capture counterpart; dmix and dsnoop are combined into asym; asym has to be enabled in an alsa-lib configuration file per-driver; see /usr/share/alsa/cards/)
[22:24] <BUGabundo> I still can't raise my pidgin sound! all other _permantent_ playing apps are fixable. but not ones that just ping
[22:24] <dtchen> yeah, the really short streams are problematic
[22:24] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:25] <BUGabundo> and I've seen a few players reset the volume each time a track starts
[22:25] <dtchen> partly gtk bug, partly flatvol (pulse) bug
[22:26] <dtchen> both resolved and should land for Beta
[22:26] <BUGabundo> can't wait that long :pp
[22:26] <BUGabundo> we are still pre-A3
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hehe
[22:27] <BUGabundo> hope karmic is a bit more stable in audio then JJ
[22:27] <Twigathy> oh man, pulseaudio... *RAGE*.... I had to hack up several config files scattered over /etc, ~/.blergh etc. before I got it working how I wanted :>
[22:27] <BUGabundo> btw BlueTooth audio working again? do we have the profiles back, dtchen?
[22:28] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: true. they are all over the place ehe
[22:28] <dtchen> BUGabundo: in current git, yes
[22:28] <dtchen> not in current karmic
[22:28] <dtchen> need to get back to fixing stuff; offline for a bit
[22:29] <BUGabundo> dtchen: will it land?? there's a blueprign on it
[22:29] <BUGabundo> bye dtchen
[22:45] <lamalex> can anyone help me fix grub2?
[22:45] <lamalex> I just installed karmic, but it didnt add my jaunty or f11 entries t it
[22:49] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I still have a prob with composite and gnome-do
[22:50] <BUGabundo> on every boot it doesn't work
[22:50] <BUGabundo> if I close do, and reopen its ok
[22:50] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:50] <BUGabundo> bug?
[22:50] <Sarvatt> odd, it starting up before compiz?
[22:50] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:50] <lamalex> BUGabundo: that should be fixed with 0.8.2 hits karmic
[22:50] <Sarvatt> sounds like it
[22:50] <BUGabundo> take a look at my bootcharts
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and try to make sense of it
[22:51] <lamalex> we listen to the composite changed signal and switch interfaces
[22:51] <BUGabundo> lamalex: ??
[22:51] <lamalex> <-- gnome do developer
[22:51] <BUGabundo> lamalex: and you are?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> ok... faster then me
[22:51] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:51] <BUGabundo> lamalex: bug id for that?
[22:52] <lamalex> feel free to search, i got other stuff to do, there are like 40 dupes of that though, shouldnt be hard to find
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[22:52] <lamalex> 0.8.2 was released this week
[22:52] <lamalex> so should be in karmic soon
[22:53] <lamalex> the work around until then if you care is just add like, sleep 2 to /usr/bin/gnome-do starup script
[22:53] <Sarvatt> install it from here in that case BUGabundo https://edge.launchpad.net/~do-core/+archive/ppa
[22:53] <lamalex> ah yah, we have a ppa :) right
[22:53] <Sarvatt> the bugs are linked in the changelog actually too
[22:53] <lamalex> BUGabundo: i dont suppose you know abut grub2 configuration
[22:53] <BUGabundo> yeah was going to be the next question: PPA
[22:54] <Sarvatt>     + Reacts correctly when a Composite manager is enabled/
[22:54] <Sarvatt>       disabled at runtime. (LP: #346347, LP: #390150)
[22:54] <BUGabundo> lamalex: no
[22:54] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: ping please help lamalex
[22:54] <lamalex> :)
[22:54] <lamalex> sweet nick
[22:54] <BUGabundo> lamalex: about pidgin plugin?
[22:54] <lamalex> what?
[22:54] <BUGabundo> it doesn't gain focus when opening Chat for nicks
[22:54] <BUGabundo> known?
[22:55] <lamalex> that's a pidgin bug, and it's known
[22:55] <Sarvatt> what problem do you  have with grub2? you edit the things in /etc/default/grub then update-grub2 after if thats the problem
[22:55] <lamalex> Sarvatt: that may be all i need to know
[22:55]  * lamalex tries
[22:55] <lamalex> hm ok, debconf just updated grub-pc and it has a horibly cryptic window
[22:55] <Sarvatt> dont manually change anything in grub.cfg like ya did with grub1 before, took me awhile to figure that out too :D
[22:57]  * BUGabundo adds DO ppa
[22:57] <lamalex> http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/203/screenshotdebconfonpika.png
[22:57] <lamalex> anyone know what im supposed to do here?
[22:57] <Sarvatt> which drive do you have grub installed to?
[22:58] <Sarvatt> most likely its going to be /dev/sda but i dont know if you use sdb as your boot drive
[22:58] <lamalex> I think /dev/sda, but why is it asking me
[22:58] <lamalex> shouldnt it be able to figure this out
[22:58] <lamalex> i dont even think i have an sdb
[22:59] <lamalex> .. id ont
[22:59] <Sarvatt> probably a safeguard against it automatically installing to a MBR when people dont want that
[22:59] <lamalex> there's only sdaX in /dev
[22:59] <Sarvatt> usb drive plugged in?
[22:59] <lamalex> nope
[22:59] <Sarvatt> yeah install it to sda
[22:59] <BUGabundo> lamalex: usb pen, card reader?
[22:59] <lamalex> BUGabundo: nothing
[22:59] <lamalex> /dev shows no sdb
[23:00] <Sarvatt> /dev/sda is what you want, it probably should be more clear
[23:00] <Sarvatt> the one thats checked is the one its installed to now though i imagine
[23:00] <lamalex> Sarvatt: i checked that
[23:00] <lamalex> neither were chekced when it popped up
[23:00] <Sarvatt> ah
[23:00] <lamalex> that's a terrible dialog though
[23:01] <BUGabundo> lamalex: file an UI bug
[23:01] <lamalex> BUGabundo: in progress :)
[23:01] <Sarvatt> indeed
[23:02] <Sarvatt> they might have just added that in the last update in a hurry to fix the problems with macs
[23:02] <Sarvatt> since they dont want to install to any mbr and it was doing it before
[23:03] <lamalex> Sarvatt: /etc/default/grub isnt what i want
[23:03] <lamalex> i need to add entries for other OS's because they apparently werent found at install
[23:09] <lamalex> anyone now how?
[23:11] <lamalex> hmm.. in grub.d/30_osprober it finds all of my systems
[23:11] <lamalex> but theyre not in the grub list
[23:11] <lamalex> wtf
[23:15] <lamalex> hmm rebooted and theyre there now
[23:15] <lamalex> good
[23:43] <BUGabundo> cwillu: [identica] qense: !Ubuntu #jaunty keeps freezing on file operations with #ext4 on !linux 2.26.28 with a dozen of find_group_flex failures in /var/log/messages
[23:51] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo::: pong
[23:51] <billybigrigger> lamalex::: you still need help?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[23:51] <lamalex> billybigrigger: do you know how to set a default os in grub2
[23:52] <lamalex> and it's still not showing fedora in the list
[23:52] <lamalex> despite os_prober showing it
[23:57] <cwillu> BUGabundo, yes, that's a known bug, he needs to run 2.6.29 or later
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:57] <cwillu> :)
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I'll see if I can tell him that
[23:58] <billybigrigger> eeek sorry
[23:59] <billybigrigger> spilled bloody coffee all down in my keypad :P
[23:59] <BUGabundo> hahaha