[00:01] <Boyette> how much is "a little space "
[00:02] <B-real_XCF> Boyette: 1GB would be enough
[00:03] <Boyette> how about plcoud.com
[00:04] <Boyette> Sign up and get 10 GB free cloud storage
[00:04] <matsaman> seems ... non-English =)
[00:05] <Boyette> non english?
[00:05] <Boyette> pcloud.com
[00:05] <Boyette> sorry
[00:05] <Boyette> typ error
[00:06] <Boyette> https://www.pcloud.com/
[00:08] <B-real_XCF> I think I looked into that earlier but I will try again. Sure it is free?
[00:08] <Boyette> yes for 10gb its free
[00:08] <Boyette> just check the homepage its stating clearly
[00:08] <Boyette> and have linux support
[00:08] <Boyette> aswell
[00:10] <tripelb> 18.04 I want to find out how big the USB drive is It has
[00:10] <Boyette> in gui or terminal?
[00:11] <tripelb> It has a non bootable 1910 on it now and I'm just going to overwrite the whole thing. Since I can't tell the size from details I tried to format it and I get error formatting volume This partition cannot be modified because it contains a partition table; Please re-initialize layout of the whole device paren you discs - error-quark comma 11 end pare
[00:11] <tripelb> n
[00:11] <tripelb> Boyette. I was using the gooey but how do I look at the size in terminal?
[00:12] <Bashing-om> tripelb: ' sudo parted -l '
[00:14] <tripelb> I think all those results are on my hard drive Bashing-om
[00:14] <tripelb> I'm looking at a USB drive because I want to see if I can put a persistent ubuntu image on it
[00:15] <tripelb> Wait.. one is fat32
[00:18] <tripelb> Bashing-om not very big. Properties says 2.3G and parted says 2.14G.  What the difference?
[00:19] <tripelb> The reason I didn't believe properties is because it also said free space unknown.
[00:19] <tripelb> I'll just do a regular installation.
[00:20] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Got me - I feel that "parted" is the more reliable.
[00:27] <B-real_XCF> Boyette, seem to be a monthly fee but you can try it out? Atleast the application
[00:27] <Boyette> pCloud offers 10 GB of free storage for each signup. You can further increase it up to 20 GB by inviting friends, sharing links on social media etc.
[00:28] <Boyette> only if you want more then that there is a monthly fee  or a one time payment
[00:29] <Boyette> just sign up and you will immediately be able to download the linux client
[00:30] <erkki4> can i upgrade to 20.04 LTS beta already and smoothly out of beta on the 23rd?
[00:31] <oerheks> erkki4, sure, but keep a fresh usb with the iso ready.
[00:31] <Bashing-om> erkki4: Yup - keep updated and you will have the final.
[00:31] <erkki4> cool ty
[00:31] <tripelb> Mmm now I see 1.029G more in ntfs. (Sorry but I am learning)
[00:32] <Boyette> erkki4 yes you can
[00:33] <tripelb> OK I was thinking, install 19.10 and have a smooth update to 20.04 is this true? (Even if it isn't I'm doing this because each time is one more practice)
[00:33] <RoseBus> hello, i'm trying to build something using meson and i'm getting this error: meson.build:16:0: ERROR: Dependency "gio-2.0" not found,
[00:33] <RoseBus> does that mean i need this package? librust-gio-sys-dev
[00:34] <RoseBus> or perhaps this package? gir1.2-glib-2.0
[00:34] <tripelb> Back to my first question, why can't I reformat the flash drive?  ff
[00:35] <tripelb> I'm looking at a USB drive because I want to see if I can put a persistent ubuntu image on it
[00:35] <tripelb> It has a non bootable 1910 on it now and I'm just going to overwrite the whole thing. Since I can't tell the size from details I tried to format it and I get error formatting volume This partition cannot be modified because it contains a partition table; Please re-initialize layout of the whole device paren you discs - error-quark comma 11 end pare
[00:35] <tripelb> n
[00:36] <B-real_XCF> @Boyette, I see it isn't the system
[00:36] <Boyette> it isnt the system?
[00:38] <tripelb> Now I typed gnome disks And it tells me that the SMI USB DISK is 8.2 GB
[00:39] <tripelb> This means that what parted was telling me was only one partition on the USB. That's pretty dumb because it makes me dumber.
[00:40] <tripelb> I think I'm just going to try installing the system on the disk and see if it gives me a choice to use the whole disk. I feel like I'm doing a bodge
[00:44] <oerheks> the iso is one partition on the usb. read only.
[00:45] <Bashing-om> tripelb: My result: " sysop@x1804mini:~$ sudo parted -l >> Disk /dev/sda: 250GB " then the indiviual partitions are listed.
[00:46] <oerheks> install will be one partition too, no swap partition but swappfile
[00:54] <kenperkins> anyone have a recommendation for 10GBASE-T adapters for ubuntu?
[00:54] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | kenperkins start here
[01:03] <gonutsfordonuts> Hey guys - does anyone else randomly lose DNS lookups for some domains while browsing? When I reset my network adapter it works just fine. I'm not sure what causes it or what the reason only some domains are affected. When it happens nslookup and resolvectl query both cant find some domains
[01:04] <gonutsfordonuts> atlassian is one of the affected domains. There are others
[01:05] <gonutsfordonuts> resolvectl flush-caches seems to fix it. I'm not sure how to root cause this issue. Any suggestions/ideas much appreciated
[01:05] <Boyette> kenperkins pci-e?
[01:06] <gonutsfordonuts> I only have two options in my resolve.conf: "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" and "options edns0"
[01:06] <Boyette> @gonutsfordonuts using a vpn?
[01:06] <gonutsfordonuts> Boyette - nope. no VPN at this time
[01:07] <kenperkins> and as I say that, I found a new intel card
[01:07] <kenperkins> yea Boyette, got a x540T1
[01:07] <Boyette> ok
[01:08] <Boyette> gonutsfordonuts, do you use custom dns?
[01:09] <gonutsfordonuts> Boyette - I dont believe so. I've never configured any DNS on my laptop. I might have explicitly set some DNS settings on my router however....Will check that now
[01:15] <gonutsfordonuts> Boyette - I cant find any custom DNS configurations on my router anywhere. As far as I know/can tell I'm using stock configs for my hardware/distro
[01:15] <Boyette> how about in your modem?
[01:15] <Boyette> anyway try to change the dns to <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:15] <Boyette> to see if that makes a difference
[01:16] <gonutsfordonuts> modem is in bridge mode. Unless my ISP is doing something shady it shouldnt be doing anything on my network aside from signal conversion...
[01:16] <gonutsfordonuts> k will do, standby
[01:17] <Boyette> oh
[01:17] <Boyette> still change it in your modem then because then you wont use the DNS of your ISP but google instead
[01:18] <Boyette> if that fixes it the problem is probably in the DNS of your ISP
[01:18] <gonutsfordonuts> Oh scratch that - i do have some custom DNS settings. They are just specifying which DNS servers to use. One of them is a DNS managed by my ISP...i'll change that to the google one
[01:19] <Boyette> gonutsfordonuts, ;)
[01:19] <gonutsfordonuts> Boyette - OK ill see if I can do that. I'm not sure how at this point - my modem doesnt appear as a device on my network in the same way the router does. Unless theres some sneaky nmap thing I can do to find it im not sure how to configure it
[01:21] <Boyette> which modem
[01:21] <Boyette> you can also try to change it only on your laptop
[01:30] <tpham> Is ubuntu 20.04 come with low latency kernel by default?
[01:31] <oerheks> tpham, no?
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu studio will?
[01:31] <tpham> I installed then check the kernel, it was low latency kernel
[01:32] <tpham> After that I remove all low latency kernel and nvidia driver, then install hwe 20.04 generic kernel
[01:33] <tpham> then check, the kernel was generic
[01:33] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Do you have an Nvidia graphics card?
[01:33] <tpham> then I run `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall`, the kernel turn into low latency kernel again
[01:33] <tpham> Eickmeyer yes
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> tpham: That's why. Known bug, should be fixed soon.
[01:34] <tpham> Thank you.
[01:34] <Eickmeyer> The Nvidia drivers were pulling-in the lowlatency kernel for unknown reasons.
[01:35] <tpham> btw, can I have Reverse PRIME with nvidia graphic card
[01:36] <tpham> My laptop can not work with external monitor without using nvidia graphic card
[01:36] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Understandable that you would need the driver then. Fix should be out soon.
[01:44] <tpham> No, I mean could I have something like bumblebee but work with nvidia proprietary drivers.
[01:45] <lotuspsychje> tpham: for hybrid nvidia/intel its nvidia-prime you need now
[01:50] <tpham> lotuspsychje But this said that it's has not been supporte
[01:50] <tpham> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/nvidia-render-offloading-help-getting-external-monitor-working/99430/22
[01:50] <lotuspsychje> tpham: wich card do you have?
[01:51] <tpham> I have GTX 1650, my machine is Thinkpad X1 extreme gen 2
[01:51] <tpham> Seem like the HDMI and DP port are wired with nvidia card.
[01:52] <tpham> lspci show this:
[01:52] <tpham> `01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile / Max-Q] (rev a1)`
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> tpham: I have a GTX 1650 with zero issues so long as I use the Nvidia proprietary driver. If I use Noveau (in the kernel), I get sluggish performance at best.
[01:54] <RoseBus> okay i'm running ubuntu 20.04 and i gotta say it's pretty smooth
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> That's on a desktop, no hybrid.
[01:54] <tpham> Actually I have two problem with nvidia on my laptop
[01:55] <tpham> HDMI port does not work, recognize the external monitor but the external monitor does not display anything
[01:55] <tpham> And I can not run `on-demand` mode with external monitor.
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> tpham: wich driver in use please?
[01:55] <tpham> Eickmeyer Running on `nvidia` mode is good on my machine
[01:56] <tpham> lotuspsychje
[01:56] <tpham> Graphics:  Device-1: Intel UHD Graphics 630 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 8086:3e9b           Device-2: NVIDIA TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile / Max-Q] vendor: Lenovo driver: nvidia v: 440.64 bus ID: 01:00.0           chip ID: 10de:1f91           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: modesetting compositor:
[01:56] <tpham> compton resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 630 (CFL GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.0.4 direct render: Yes
[01:57] <lotuspsychje> tpham: we saw a few bugs passby last days on 440, switching drivers solved
[01:58] <tpham> Don't get me wrong, running with `prime-select nvidia` is fine (but HDMI port is not working).
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> !paste | tpham: for future reference
[01:59] <tpham> Thank you
[02:02] <Bashing-om> tpham: Update your system - "This bug was fixed in the package ubiquity - 20.04.15" .
[02:02] <tpham> lotuspsychje Can I have something similar to this on nvidia graphic card: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#Reverse_PRIME
[02:03] <r15> Hi Ubuntu, how to get/install the driver on ubuntu 18.04 for VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP102 [GeForce GTX 1080 Ti] [10de:1b06]
[02:03] <tpham> Bashing-om which bug?
[02:03] <r15> sorry
[02:03] <r15> please ignore.
[02:04] <Bashing-om> tpham: he low-latenecy kernel install: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1873867 .
[02:04] <tpham> Thank you
[02:05] <tpham> I have another bug few day ago. After installed nvidia driver, I rebooted my machine, then got a black screen with single `_`
[02:06] <tpham> I fixed that by black noveau module
[02:06] <tpham> sorry, black->blacklist
[02:07] <Bashing-om> tpham: secure boot enabled such that the nvidia module can not build ?
[02:07] <tpham> No, it's disabled.
[02:07] <tpham> I think both noveau and nvidia driver were loaded, so they they got conflict
[02:08] <Bashing-om> tpham: installing the Nvidia driver should blacklist nouveau in the install process :(
[02:11] <tpham> I think there is a bug with nvidia installer, because I get this twice
[02:12] <tpham> The first time is few week ago, I didn't know how to fix that so I installed manjaro
[02:12] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Are you installing from the Nvidia website or the driver in the "Additional Drivers" tab of "Software & Updates"?
[02:12] <tpham> Yes.
[02:13] <Eickmeyer> That wasn't an Inclusive Or.
[02:13] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: ^ :D
[02:14] <gonutsfordonuts> Boyette I'm back lol. just changed that DNS setting on my router to google...will see if that helps. Chances are I should have just done it on my laptop given that im the only one experiencing this issue as far as i know. Modem is Hitron C2MN-2250
[02:14] <tpham> Sorry, I only read the second phrase. I installed using additional drivers tab of Software & Updates
[02:14] <Eickmeyer> Ok, good. Just making sure.
[02:14] <Eickmeyer> But, the bug is definitely being worked on.
[02:14] <tpham> Thank you
[02:15] <tpham> The last problem I have is flicker free boot not working on my machine
[02:15] <Eickmeyer> tpham: I have the same issue. That's a problem with using Nvidia on Linux.
[02:15] <Bashing-om> tpham: confirmed - #ubuntu-release: still working on the Nvidia driver.
[02:15] <gonutsfordonuts> CGMN-2250*
[02:16] <tpham> No, I booted in intel mode
[02:16] <tpham> I mean `prime-select intel`
[02:16] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Whatever you do, don't go to #ubuntu-release asking what the status is on the driver.
[02:17] <tpham> '=D
[02:17] <tpham> I got Lenvo logo -> black screen -> Lenovo logo with spinner -> black screen -> gdm -> black screen -> gnome ;(
[02:18] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Unfortunately, that's just part of running Nvidia on Linux. They don't exactly support Linux very well, so you can't expect a 100% flicker-free boot unlike AMD and Intel which actively contribute to the kernell.
[02:20] <tpham> But I switched into intel GPU mode
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Something about your hardware though. If Nvidia is involved (the meer presence of the hardware is "involved"), then you can't expect it to be flawless.
[02:21] <tpham> Thank you
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> I only get flicker-free on my AMD laptop.
[02:22] <tpham> The last problem I have GPU usage when opening `youtube` is very high
[02:22] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Since you're running a GPU-intensive website (youtube), that's to be expected. The browser is likely using hardware accelleration, which youtube takes full advantage of.
[02:22] <johnjay> is there a good way to debug my ubuntu system?
[02:23] <johnjay> right now the mouse and keyboard go completely dead and screen freezes when I login to either gdm or lightdm to a gnome shell session
[02:23] <johnjay> i think sddm as well
[02:23] <tpham> Eickmeyer  play on netflix does not have that problem.
[02:24] <tpham> johnjay can you tried Ctrl + Alt + F3
[02:24] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Different website, different set of codecs and accelleration.
[02:24] <johnjay> can't do that either
[02:24] <johnjay> only thin gi can do is alt-sysrq-b to reboot
[02:24] <johnjay> once it freezes that's it
[02:24] <Eickmeyer> tpham: Youtube is just notorious for being GPU-intensive, even on Windows.
[02:25] <tpham> Thank you, good to know that
[02:25] <tpham> johnjay Can you tried to boot into recovery mode in grub menu
[02:25] <johnjay> i can get into rescue mode and bring up networking and do basic changes
[02:25] <johnjay> yes. i'/ve tried fiddling with various systemd settings
[02:26] <johnjay> esp since the UUID of my swap changed for ... no reason?
[02:26] <johnjay> and it was forcing a check of it for 90s every boot. so i updated /etc/fstab with the new uuid
[02:26] <johnjay> but i'm not sure how to diagnose a failure like this
[02:26] <johnjay> i tried purging and reinstalling gnome-shell as well
[02:26] <johnjay> hard drive is fine i think, as is memory after i ran a memtest. i'm stumped
[02:28] <johnjay> i even changed from nvidia to nouveau driver. still nothing
[02:29] <tpham> What's your fstab mount config
[02:29] <johnjay> right now just the partition and swap
[02:29] <johnjay> i #'d out the other drives
[02:30] <johnjay> i have a windows drive and a linux drive and a storage drive
[02:30] <johnjay> so i commented the other two out
[02:30] <johnjay> maybe someone knows more about systemd than i do can say how to get more detail
[02:31] <johnjay> i could mount the disk and maybe examine the journal file? (I'm in a live cd right now)
[02:31] <tpham> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab#Pass_.28fsck_order.29
[02:32] <tpham> did you set the fstab pass to 1 or 2?
[02:33] <tpham> I'm not linux expertise, but I just got the disk checking problem few day ago.
[02:33] <johnjay> oh ti's all set to 0
[02:33] <johnjay> i didn't know what those fields were for lol
[02:34] <johnjay> maybe that is the root of the problem....
[02:35] <johnjay> oh wait the / part is marked 0 1. so it is checked
[02:37] <johnjay> hmm i see a core file in /
[04:09] <ntiy> if I add (as root) cron jobs using "crontab -e" -- will they persist after the machine is rebooted?
[04:12] <johnjay> ntiy: i believe so
[04:12] <johnjay> i have a useful cronjob that empties a temp folder on a weekly basis
[04:12] <johnjay> so i can just t hrow stuff in there and know it gets deleted on a semi-regular basis
[04:13] <ntiy> johnjay: thanks!
[04:55] <giaco> I'm trying to remove my wlan0 default route using nmcli. I just don't want my pc to reach anything outside its subnet. I've set ipv4.never-default yes and restarted network-manager, but the default route is still there
[05:06] <mixfix41> focal is nice
[05:06] <mixfix41> good job you guys!
[05:06] <mixfix41> the boot is just like debian way solid
[05:06] <mixfix41> and boot installer
[05:06] <mixfix41> did ufi easy
[05:12] <giaco> nevermind, solved
[06:00] <dli> how to log the desktop notifications? is there a way to find the PID of the program sending desktop notifications
[06:36] <johnjay> not sure, i think that's gnome-shell or dbus thing
[06:36] <johnjay> maybe try Settings->Notifications?
[07:09] <DarkTrick> Hello
[07:11] <DarkTrick> I downgraded my kernel to 5.3.0-40. Now VirtualBox can't load images with the error message "VirtualBox LInux kernel driver is not ... set up correctly .. please reinstall virtualbox-dkms" package
[07:11] <DarkTrick> Using usual apt-get install only tells me "already installed
[07:12] <v64> sudo apt install --reinstall virtualbox-dkms will reinstall the package
[07:17] <DarkTrick> I get the error https://pastebin.com/4LfJGF4E
[07:17] <DarkTrick> I can't really tell whats wrong
[07:19] <DarkTrick> I tried shutting down the service manually and tried again, but same error
[07:19] <ansimita> DarkTrick: pastebin/review the output of `sudo systemctl status virtualbox.service`
[07:20] <DarkTrick> ansimita, https://pastebin.com/wUJCzp2g
[07:20] <v64> also try `sudo modprobe vboxdr` and see if it's successful or if it errors
[07:21] <DarkTrick> v64, Fatal
[07:21] <DarkTrick> Module vboxdr not found in directory /lib/modules/5.3.0-40-generic
[07:21] <v64> do you have the full output of the virtualbox-dkms install before the part you pasted?
[07:22] <DarkTrick> sure, sec
[07:22] <v64> sorry I also typoed the module
[07:22] <v64> should be sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[07:23] <v64> also sudo modprobe virtualbox
[07:23] <ansimita> DarkTrick: Can you also check whether the virtualbox kernel module supports your kernel?
[07:23] <DarkTrick> https://pastebin.com/unmJNJvt
[07:23] <v64> you can look in /lib/modules/5.3.0-40-generic to see if anything named virtualbox or vbox is present
[07:23] <DarkTrick> ansimita, before downgrading everything worked fine. Does that answer your question?
[07:23] <ansimita> DarkTrick: I'm asking because of the "No suitable module for running kernel found" error
[07:24] <v64> ah okay thanks, it looks like you need to install the kernel headers, sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:24] <v64> "Module build for kernel 5.3.0-40-generic was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed."
[07:24] <DarkTrick> ansimita, I was thinking it might have something to do with the linux-modules-extra - package, but I installed that already
[07:24] <DarkTrick> v64, modprobe without the typo also failed
[07:25] <v64> after you install kernel headers, try reinstall command again
[07:25] <DarkTrick> v64, nothing like virutal box found in ` /lib/modules/5.3.0-40-generic`
[07:25] <DarkTrick> ansimita, how else would I check that?
[07:26] <DarkTrick> ah
[07:26] <DarkTrick> ok, trying the header install
[07:31] <DarkTrick> yaaaaaaaaaa! thank you sooo much!
[07:31] <DarkTrick> that worked!
[07:31] <DarkTrick> and it only took me about 30min! so I have still time left to actually develop
[07:31] <DarkTrick> <3
[07:32] <v64> you're welcome glad to help
[07:46] <tpham> How can I fix the screen tearing problem?
[07:48] <ducasse> tpham: depends on your gpu
[07:48] <tpham> I tried intel TearFree config in xorg but got no luck
[07:49] <ducasse> hmm, that worked for me
[07:49] <tpham> ducasse I'm using intel and nvidia in `on-demand` mode.
[07:50] <tpham> More info: I'm running xmonad window manager.
[07:51] <ducasse> are you running a compositor?
[07:51] <tpham> No
[07:51] <ducasse> that helped for me with i3
[07:51] <ducasse> try xcompmgr or compton
[07:52] <tpham> Ok.
[07:52] <tpham> But I prefer hardware solution
[07:52] <sara2010> hi
[07:53] <sara2010> how do i install skype 8 on ubuntu 14.4
[07:53] <ducasse> sara2010: 14.04 is eol
[07:53] <ducasse> !eol
[07:55] <tpham> I never use skype but I think you could try install skype using nix
[07:55] <tpham> You can have any newest packet
[07:56] <tpham> After install nix, just run: `nix-env -iA nixpkgs.skypeforlinux`
[07:56] <Slart> there's also a skype web client if you really just need a quick solution and don't want to mess around with installing stuff...
[07:57] <Slart> but yea, eol is real... if you're looking for a sustainable solution you might want to take care of that first
[08:04] <sara2010> well last time i download DAB from skype web site. it was working
[08:05] <sara2010> but now i m using the same but facing error
[08:06] <ducasse> sara2010: your main problem is that you are on an old ubuntu version that is no longer supported here
[08:09] <kapil_> after installing ubuntu server. what should i do?
[08:09] <v64> drink a beer
[08:09] <kapil_> how to make ubuntu server latest?
[08:09] <v64> sudo apt upgrade
[08:09] <kapil_> thank you so much
[08:10] <v64> sudo apt update first
[08:10] <kapil_> oh thanks
[08:16] <Simooon> Hi, I just got an old creative USB webcam, and I can see it when using "lsusb" but I can not get a picture through, I'm just trying to make it work using cheese right now, is there something else I should install to make it work?
[08:48] <rany> 99.99% it won't work
[08:49] <rany> it could also be broken, does it work on Windows?
[08:50] <mixfix41> sara2010: install skypeforlinux
[08:50] <mixfix41> but i havnt used it on lubuntu
[08:51] <mixfix41> and it would be more complicated building from source imo but it is possible
[08:51] <mixfix41> id look into building from source on debian its probs the same thing
[08:58] <mixfix41> yo
[08:58] <mixfix41> dang i gota ditch lubuntu
[08:58] <mixfix41> my scanners broke
[08:58] <mixfix41> not only that but on this one fs my xsane options im not able to duplicate
[08:59] <mixfix41> it scans at a great pace at 6.1 mb for scan and my desktop goes at a snails pace and is around there or higher
[08:59] <mixfix41> ill have to get it working lubuntu looks great
[09:21] <Simooon> rany, I have not tried it on windows, it came straight from the package, but it is rather old, and might have been stored wrong, so it could perhaps just be broken.
[09:21] <Simooon> I'll test it on windows later today, see if it works there.
[09:22] <rany> yeah i have like two webcams which show up in `lsusb` but are actually broken
[09:22] <rany> it wasn't a driver issue because it didn't work on windows with the official drivers
[09:23] <Simooon> hmm okay, I guess broken is likely then, oh well, I got it for free, so not a big loss.
[09:23] <rany> mine is like 8 years ago, i just needed one for the zoom conferences ... so i eventually used zoom on mobile instead
[09:24] <rany> mine is like 8 years old, i just needed one for the zoom conferences ... so i eventually used zoom on mobile instead
[09:24] <Simooon> all the stores around here are out of stock of all but the most expensive 4k webcams :-/
[09:26] <Simooon> my webcam comes with win 98 - win xp drivers, so pretty old as well :-P
[09:27] <rany> no wonder they have full stock of the most expensive webcams... no one sane would buy that (except maybe the gamer/livestreaming people)
[09:27] <rany> pretty niche market for that sort of stuff
[09:28] <Simooon> Yes, I think that is who they are trying to sell it to. I just thought it would be fun to do a virtual bar and have a few beers with my mates.
[09:32] <zamba> i have an issue with ubuntu and nfs-mounted storage.. whenever i'm writing a large file to an nfs share, all other activities towards that filesystem is halted.. this doesn't happen against the same share from a centos system.. only on ubuntu..
[09:33] <zamba> it was better on 16.04, but on 18.04 it's terrible
[09:56] <_terp_atm> Hello. I am using 18.04 and I have a problem when a new window is created from an already launched application (for instance a new browser window created from an existing one):
[09:56] <_terp_atm> they are now always placed in the background
[09:57] <_terp_atm> but they are focused (I can type and they receive my input, even though I can't see them)
[09:58] <_terp_atm> This is not a huge deal, but this is a small day-to-day annoyance. I might have ended up there by my own mistake, as I changed a behaviour to make sure that Alt+tab cycles through all windows, not just windows from different applications.
[10:01] <_terp_atm> Has anyone an idea about how to ensure new windows are on the foreground?
[10:10] <YeOldHinnerk> Hi. I have a question about wake on lan. I enabled it on my ubuntu server and I tested that it works fine if I send a magic packet from my router using ether-wake.
[10:11] <YeOldHinnerk> The specific command does not ask for a port but works fine.
[10:11] <YeOldHinnerk> Now I'm trying to do the same from my android phone using the wake on lan app.
[10:11] <YeOldHinnerk> Default port there is 9. However, from the app it does not work.
[10:11] <YeOldHinnerk> Could this be about the port?
[10:12] <YeOldHinnerk> If so, how do I find out, which port would be right?
[10:12] <v64> might be, 7 is another port it uses, could try that
[10:12] <v64> port 0 is another possibility
[10:13] <YeOldHinnerk> will give it a shot
[10:14] <YeOldHinnerk> well, port 0 at least brought an error message, "Sending failed"
[10:14] <YeOldHinnerk> port 7 also does not work
[10:14] <YeOldHinnerk> of course, the issue could be somewhere else too.
[10:14] <v64> 0, 7, and 9 are the only ports I've seen used so I think you can rule that out
[10:14] <YeOldHinnerk> I have allowed the app in my cell phone firewall.
[10:14] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, that is good to know, thx v64
[10:16] <v64> also I assume with your android device you are connected via wifi, if you successfully woke the device via ethernet, it sends a special packet type and doesnt use a port at all
[10:16] <v64> so the port listening may not be configured
[10:16] <YeOldHinnerk> yes, all those assumptions are right.
[10:17] <YeOldHinnerk> I have a router with merlinwrt, which offers a wekinterface for wol
[10:17] <YeOldHinnerk> and I was able to wake it by that
[10:17] <YeOldHinnerk> the server is connected direcly to the router by lan
[10:17] <YeOldHinnerk> my mobile is in wifi, firewall settings (afwall) are open for lan and wlan
[10:18] <YeOldHinnerk> are you saying, that the app may not be able to wake it, because it is using the wrong method?
[10:19] <v64> I believe you were able to successfully wake the server in your test because it sent the special packet type, and your android device isnt able to wake it because it's trying to communicate via the port and can't, it may be a networking issue with the android phone or the server isn't able to receive on ports 0/7/9
[10:20] <v64> both methods should work, just trying to isolate why it worked in one case but didn't in the other
[10:21] <YeOldHinnerk> Ok. I'm also just testing another wol app.
[10:25] <YeOldHinnerk> didn't help
[10:29] <v64> are you able to get in if you manually telnet host 7 into the server?
[10:29] <ylwghst73> Which tools do you guys recommend for monitoring cpu/gpu temps?
[10:29] <v64> or rather host 9 as that's most common
[10:29] <v64> *port
[10:29] <nikolam> Will Ubuntu ever support booting from ZFS partition? In contrast to ultimately requesting to destroy all partitions on the hard drive? I would like to keep dual-boot in the future.
[10:31] <YeOldHinnerk> nope
[10:31] <YeOldHinnerk> ah, that was for v64, not nikolam :)
[10:32] <nikolam> I was expectign 20.04 to support ZFS on partitions, but stil llike 19.10 only gives "torch all" option when installing.
[10:33] <v64> YeOldHinnerk: on the server, does `sudo lsof -i:9` return output to indicate the port is open?
[10:33] <nikolam> Eve if i isntall on another drive, shall I count boot loader to be able to find and boot from ZFS on partition and then updates to go smooth.. It goes both for existing 19.10 and future 20.04
[10:34] <YeOldHinnerk> I'll check...
[10:34] <grawity> "wake on lan"
[10:35] <grawity> does not really rely on open ports
[10:35] <grawity> since the packets are read by the NIC – not by the OS (which is sleeping anyways)
[10:35] <grawity> so the exact port doesn't really matter – nothing about the packet type matters at all, so long as it gets delivered to your Ethernet port and contains the right magic stuff... so it could be a UDP packet, an IP packet, a raw Ethernet packet, whatever the app prefers to send
[10:35] <YeOldHinnerk> yes, that seems logical.
[10:35] <zmagii> sup guys what is the command again to change your editor for git to vim?
[10:36] <grawity> UDP is simply used because it's easy to use and doesn't require e.g. root privileges
[10:36] <YeOldHinnerk> however, since wol works when sent form my router to server, but does not when i send from an app on my mobile while in wifi, we are investigating
[10:36] <v64> zmagii: git config --global core.editor "vim"
[10:36] <grawity> run a tcpdump capture when the server is actually running, then try to "wake" it
[10:36] <grawity> see if the magic packets get delivered
[10:36] <zmagii> v64: Thanks
[10:36] <YeOldHinnerk> ok
[10:37] <grawity> e.g. `tcpdump -e -n -i eth0 "not port 22"` or something like that, if you're connecting over SSH
[10:37] <zmagii> v64: Sorry for asking another question, but can one do the same for info?
[10:38] <grawity> if core.editor isn't set, git uses the one found in $EDITOR – and similarly `info` uses $PAGER
[10:38] <grawity> YeOldHinnerk: actually, are the phone and the server in the same subnet?
[10:39] <zmagii> grawity: Thanks, that'll work
[10:40] <zmagii> Is there a reason why you have $EDITOR and $PAGER as two separate variables?
[10:40] <grawity> they're for different kinds of programs
[10:40] <grawity> $EDITOR is given a file to edit, while $PAGER is more commonly fed text via stdin just to scroll through (page)
[10:41] <grawity> wait, I goofed up, `info` has its own and doesn't use $PAGER at all...
[10:42] <zmagii> grawity: Yup, setting $PAGER doesn't seem to work.
[10:42] <grawity> I guess I was thinking of `man`
[10:42] <tarelerulz> When I play videos , x264, my screen goes crazy and nothing happens , like I can't get out of it. Is that normal?
[10:43] <YeOldHinnerk> grawity: Yes, same subnet
[10:44] <YeOldHinnerk> what am I looking for in tcpdump?
[10:44] <YeOldHinnerk> how would I recognize the package?
[10:44] <grawity> hmm good question
[10:45] <grawity> I know Wireshark (and tshark) always detects them as WOL packets
[10:45] <grawity> but in tcpdump you might just need to look for something that looks like one
[10:45] <grawity> your app says it uses port 9? well look for UDP packets arriving at port 9
[10:46] <YeOldHinnerk> I can change the port
[10:47] <tarelerulz> Have any of you added freebsd , to grub?
[10:47] <grawity> doesn't matter, as long as it arrives at the server
[10:48] <zmagii> Hmm okay it seems like I have confused myself. Is gnu info just a screenreader or does it supply different manual pages than man?
[10:48] <zmagii> I seem to recall that sometimes info has a longer page on a given program than man does?
[10:48] <grawity> zmagii: yes, it's really meant for a completely different format (just try `info coreutils` or even `yelp info:coreutils`)
[10:48] <YeOldHinnerk> I executed: "sudo tcpdump -n -i eno1 'port 9'"
[10:49] <YeOldHinnerk> I do not see anything when I send the wake up
[10:49] <zmagii> grawity: So is it possible to serve the coreutils page to vim at all?
[10:49] <grawity> zmagii: probably no, because vim wouldn't understand how to deal with its hyperlinks and stuff
[10:50] <grawity> although
[10:50] <YeOldHinnerk> oh
[10:50] <grawity> one giant page like https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html would still be possible
[10:50] <YeOldHinnerk> wait a minute...
[10:50] <grawity> I just have no idea how lol
[10:50] <YeOldHinnerk> it arrived at the other network card
[10:50] <YeOldHinnerk> that is odd
[10:50] <YeOldHinnerk> it shouldn't have
[10:50] <grawity> what destination MAC does the packet have?
[10:51] <grawity> are you using anything fancy like bonds?
[10:51] <zmagii> grawity: It seems like there is a vim plugin called info.vim
[10:51] <zmagii> "Read and browse info files in vim"
[10:52] <YeOldHinnerk> eno1 has ip <IP_ADDRESS>, eno2 has dynamic ip
[10:52] <YeOldHinnerk> i send the package to <IP_ADDRESS> with its mac
[10:52] <YeOldHinnerk> but it arrived at the other network card
[10:52] <grawity> what destination MAC does the packet have?
[10:52] <grawity> like, what's the whole tcpdump -e line?
[10:54] <YeOldHinnerk> the wrong one ;(
[10:54] <zmagii> grawity: I just installed it, it works. So you open vi and type "Info: coreutils" and this gives the same functionality of "info coreutils" in the terminal, but now you just do it from inside vim
[10:54] <YeOldHinnerk> the correct one ends on :24
[10:54] <YeOldHinnerk> the wrong one on :25
[10:54] <YeOldHinnerk> in app I have set :24
[10:55] <grawity> hmm
[10:55] <zmagii> You have to add it to your .vimrc of course and run "PlugInstall". But that's it.
[10:55] <grawity> just tell the app to broadcast the packet then?
[10:55] <zmagii> They do mention that it is under construction.
[10:55] <zmagii> Thanks for the help.
[10:55] <grawity> (e.g. specify <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> or ff02::1 as the IP address)
[10:58] <YeOldHinnerk> The IP should be correct. Anyway, both networkcards should be able to do wol
[10:59] <YeOldHinnerk> I just checked, they but have 'g' as 'Wake-on'
[10:59] <grawity> but only if they get a packet with *their own* MAC address inside the magic data
[11:00] <grawity> anyway, the *other* reason I suggest using a broadcast is
[11:00] <grawity> an unprivileged app cannot craft its own ethernet frames, it has to rely on the OS
[11:00] <grawity> and if the OS is given a specific IP address, it'll need to learn the L2 address via ARP
[11:00] <grawity> and how is the server supposed to respond to ARP if it's asleep?
[11:01] <grawity> (some NICs have arp offload but afaik that's rare...)
[11:01] <YeOldHinnerk> I don't see how I change the app to do broadcast
[11:02] <YeOldHinnerk> actually, it does say "braodcast adress" where i enter the ip as well
[11:03] <YeOldHinnerk> giving it another shot, the second app had an autodetect
[11:04] <grawity> yeah you should be able to literally change it by giving it a 'broadcast' IP address
[11:04] <YeOldHinnerk> now I used that, let's see
[11:04] <YeOldHinnerk> i added both network cards....
[11:04] <grawity> which is one of the listed before
[11:04] <grawity> and I guess you should *always* use the broadcast address when waking in the same subnet – anything else doesn't quite make sense
[11:05] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, it works now!
[11:05] <YeOldHinnerk> and i just checked, what it has entered into the various fields: the broadcast adress as you explained!
[11:06] <YeOldHinnerk> thank you!
[11:07] <dhiaagr> Hi, I'm currently trying to install Ubuntu Desktop on a machine with a broken Ubuntu Server install; I can't boot from the USB, it doesn't appear on the Boot Menu; And booting leads me to the broken Grub where no command works
[11:07] <dhiaagr> Any hints as to what should I do ?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> dhiaagr: burn 'plop boot manager' on a cd to simulate booting from usb
[11:16] <tatertots> dhiaagr: do you have access to another computer to validate and test the bootable USB media?
[11:18] <dhiaagr> @tatertots, Good question; Yes, I did; The USB works just fine
[11:18] <dhiaagr> @lotuspsychje, I thought of this suggestion. But I'm out of dvds, cds; I might try to buy some
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> dhiaagr: if grub was still working, you could have load and .iso from grub too method
[11:19] <dhiaagr> I tried on two other computers; The usb drives work fine; They are of high quality. And I used different utilities to make bootables (startup disk, etcher, unetbootin, dd)
[11:19] <tatertots> dhiaagr: then you need to examine the BIOS "boot order" or boot sequence and why it's not functioning as expected, and use a DVD and or DVD drive if you cannot tame the BIOS boot sequence of the PC
[11:19] <dhiaagr> Haha @lotuspsychje, tell me about it; No command works on Grub
[11:21] <dhiaagr> I feel like I have to say that the laptop is pretty old, and not that quite good; Entry level HP laptop, dual core Celeron
[11:21] <dhiaagr> I think, i'm gonna try @lotuspsychje idea; I need to stock up on dvds and cds, anyways
[11:21] <dhiaagr> I'll keep you guys posted; Much appreciated
[11:22] <tatertots> dhiaagr: taming the BIOS boot sequence / order of your Dell/HP/Lennovo or custom built is usually a practice of pressing the correct button in a timely manner somce the window of opportunity is small
[11:22] <jmatrix1> Hi
[11:22] <jmatrix1> Good morning
[11:30] <dhiaagr> @tatertots, True that; The issue isn't on that front; The issue is that it's a cheap piece of poop and probably usb ports are broken; The boot order is set up "correctly" 1. Boot from the USB; Then everything afterwards
[11:30] <dhiaagr> Yet, from the boot menu, only the hard drive shows up; Not the usb media
[11:33] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:33] <tatertots> dhiaagr: did you install the current server version of ubuntu on it personally? or did another person install ubuntu server onto the disk drive?
[11:34] <tatertots> dhiaagr: if it was you who initially installed ubuntu server onto the disk drive what method was used to install it? ex: DVD or USB
[11:35] <dhiaagr> @tatertots I didn't do it personally, but I assisted the person over the phone; And it was pretty straight forward; I gave him a usb stick (one of the ones I tried) and went smoothly;
[11:36] <dhiaagr> He just plugged in the usb stick and followed the instructions
[11:37] <dhiaagr> Then, I don't know what he did, but I've never seen such a borken install; He managed to frick up Grub
[11:39] <dhiaagr> The events between the smooth install and the current situation are pretty blurred; But for the first couple of days, I even managed to SSH into his computer
[11:39] <dhiaagr> Also TeamViewer worked pretty great
[11:48] <coconut> Hi. Does the firmware updater tool inside 20.04 still work when i replace the official ssd which comes with a laptop with a different brand ssd ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> coconut: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support
[11:49] <coconut> oh shit, i forgot... thnx.
[11:52] <kreyren> #debian is scared of me -> How do i make `apt list package` to only list packages from specified release available on the system?
[11:52] <kreyren> it seems to output latest version instead
[11:53]  * kreyren is prepared to secretly mumble about ubuntu in front of a monitor being useless and unwilling to help
[11:55] <zamba> hi! i have an issue with nfs shares on ubuntu 18.04.. directory listing hangs completely whenever i write large chunks of rdata
[11:56] <excited_buddha> how many hours left till we have 20.04 added here as offical supported version? ;D
[11:58]  * kreyren mumbles and is angry and dissapointed~
[11:59] <coconut> Hi. Does the firmware updater tool inside 19.10 still work when i replace the official ssd which comes with a laptop with a different brand ssd ? Will it still update the firmware of the replaced ssd ?  (now my question is legal here is it lotuspsychje ?)
[12:00] <tatertots> dhiaagr: okay so booting USB install media has been successful in the past, the only different factor is the human and possibly the USB stick used
[12:00] <YeOldHinnerk> rehi
[12:01] <tatertots> coconut: if your goal is updating SSD firmware, ideally you should be obtaining updated firmware from the "manufacturer"
[12:01] <YeOldHinnerk> somewhat silly beginner question: If in a conf file, I need to enter a path that contains spaces, just put double quotes around the entire thing, right?
[12:02] <tatertots> coconut: i.e / ex ADATA,Samsung,Intel,Coarsiar or whatever
[12:02] <excited_buddha> tatertots possible PEBCAK issue with dhiaagr? :P
[12:02] <tatertots> ;)
[12:02] <tatertots> lol
[12:02] <genhaoqi> LOL
[12:04] <excited_buddha> YeOldHinnerk single quotes
[12:04] <excited_buddha> you can check with the ls command
[12:04] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, thx!
[12:04] <coconut> tatertots: ok, but will it still list the correct firmware update after a replacement of i.e. a ssd ? Or will it still list the old ssd firmare ?
[12:05] <excited_buddha> not the entire thing, only around the foldername that has space, YeOldHinnerk
[12:07] <excited_buddha> I think firmware is on an SSD, if you remove ssd with update firmware and replace with old ssd, you will have old firmware and vice versa;
[12:07] <genhaoqi> how to make /home(ext4) bigger without shutdown?
[12:07] <excited_buddha> ctrl + +
[12:08] <tatertots> coconut: i'd imagine a system would display current in use firmware for 3rd party products as "some" hardware vendors might put downloads for firmware updates behind their own websites that may or may not require user registration
[12:09] <tatertots> coconut: so ideally if updating a hardware's firmware is a mission critical goal a more hands on approach of actually downloading new firmware from manufactures website and executing the binary or exe file would be the ideal
[12:10] <tatertots> coconut: adding middle men/ware introduces more points of failure
[12:12] <Slartibart> Hey. After upgrading to 19.10 audacious stopped working for me, I get segmentation fault, and lines about hogweed/nettle similar to this: "ERROR plugin-load.cc:72 [plugin_load]: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/audacious/Input/ffaudio.so could not be loaded: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhogweed.so.4: undefined symbol: nettle_cnd_memcpy, version NETTLE_6". Now, I'm fishing here.. Does anyone know how...
[12:13] <Slartibart> ...to solve this? Compile nettle from source? Libhogweed?
[12:16] <coconut> ok thnx tatertot
[12:17] <tatertots> software has requirements and dependencies, upgrading can break software, causing you to have to attempt to reinstall software, which may or may not be successful depending on the software and it's requirements and or dependencies
[12:21] <Slartibart> tatertots: Was that for me? I tried purging audacious+addon packages and then reinstalling the ubuntu audacious package. No luck though :-[. Tried compiling it from source from the audacious webpage as well. Same error. I guess it's not really a prob with audacious, but something in my nettle/libhogweed(?)..
[12:22] <BluesKaj> tatertots, I've used new ssds in my pc without any problems or the need for firmware downloads
[12:26] <JimBuntu> coconut: To answer your question directly. You should be fine to swap the SSD and then run the updater. The system learns what firmware is running at each boot, for some devices it even has to load it at every boot although not for SSDs.
[12:27] <Rozha> hi
[12:27] <Rozha> need help
[12:27] <genhaoqi> just say
[12:27]  * tatertots helps Rozha
[12:27] <tatertots> you're welcome
[12:29] <Rozha> tatertots i have poblem whit install apache
[12:30] <Rozha> tatertots can u help ?
[12:31] <tatertots> Rozha: what method are you using to install apache? (apache2 is in the stock repositories)
[12:31] <Rozha> tatertots i use install apache2
[12:31] <Rozha> and have mistake
[12:32] <genhaoqi> paste the mistake info
[12:32] <tatertots> Rozha: you can use the GUI software manager / synaptic thing or the terminal with "apt"
[12:33] <tatertots> Rozha: "install apache2" in terminal will result in a failure to install apache2
[12:34] <Rozha> i will give u now mistake
[12:35] <Rozha> i will give u now mistakecan u help where can i paste
[12:35] <dhiaagr> @tatertots, Exactly my thoughts; Booting has been successful in the past indeed;
[12:38] <Rozha> https://pastebin.com/KqFUPZaV
[12:39] <Rozha> tatertots ?
[12:42] <coconut> JimBuntu: well, basicly my question is whether the new ssd will get listed (instead of the older sdd), and get updated correctly with the new firmware with the firmware updater. ( https://ubuntu-mate.org/images/blog/focal/firmware.png )
[12:51] <MertEtcioglu> hello everybody i have a really annoying problem please help me i can not activate my wifi connection
[13:00] <oerheks> MertEtcioglu, share details please, what linux version,what wifi/chipset?
[13:02] <HoleSystem> Hi, I using FireFox on Ubuntu and sometimes when I am writing password in it writes only 2 or 1 chars what is causing this?
[13:02] <MertEtcioglu> kubuntu 18.04 and i dont know wifi chipset im new at linux
[13:02] <oerheks> MertEtcioglu, then do not crosspost, keep your support question in #kubuntu
[13:13] <tatertots> Rozha: apache2 is already the newest version (2.4.41-1ubuntu1).
[13:14] <deadrom> hi
[13:14] <tatertots> Rozha: it appears you already installed it
[13:24] <Hamilton> Is there any difference between middle-click and ctrl+v?
[13:24] <yeats> Rozha: do you also have nginx installed? or something else that's running on web ports (80/443)?
[13:25] <oerheks> Hamilton, left hand <> right hand
[13:26] <dtomato> in X it's not the same buffer
[13:26] <Hamilton> oerheks, pardon?
[13:26] <Hamilton> dtomato, Where can I read about this clip board buffer?
[13:26] <Hamilton> So it is different than win behaviour
[13:27] <dtomato> windows doesn't have "native" middle-click pasting AFAIK?
[13:27] <oerheks> same buffer here
[13:27] <dtomato> I believe when using Wayland it's the same buffer
[13:28] <dtomato> oerheks: well if you highlighted something and then pressed ctrl-c then both buffers would contain the same info
[13:29] <dtomato> Hamilton: I don't that info at hand, but I'm sure if you search with your search-engine of choice you will surely find something
[13:30] <Hamilton> dtomato, So there is a left buffer and right buffer?
[13:30] <dtomato> Hamilton: no, oerheks was saying you do one of those actions with your left hand and the other with your right hand... I think
[13:31] <Hamilton> The ctrl+c/v is called X-system buffer?
[13:31] <Hamilton> There is also a shift+insert
[13:32] <Iarla> On 19.10, my daughter's laptop has some setting where typing disables the touchpad. It's great for typing, but when playing Minecraft she can't move (WASD) and turn her head with the touchpad at the same time. Can anyone help? Ideally she'd like it disabled when typing but not when gaming.
[13:32] <Iarla> (I can't find the setting in settings under mouse or keyboard)
[13:33] <JessC> Hi, I'm trying to run `systemd-socket-proxyd` on Ubuntu 18.04, but that doesn't seem to exist? This doc implies it's a part of the systemd package installed with Ubuntu: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/systemd-socket-proxyd.8.html
[13:33] <JessC> What do I need to do to get it?
[13:34] <JessC> Oh nevermind, it's under /lib, not /usr/lib
[13:35] <rajivmars> hi guys! until what time tomorrow ubuntu 20.04 is going to release?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> rajivmars, there's no specific time...it gets released when it's ready
[13:37] <oerheks> rajivmars, join #ubuntu-release-party :-)
[13:37] <BluesKaj> hehe
[13:37] <rajivmars> BluesKaj, ok. thanks!
[13:41] <dTal> Hello all! I would like an accelerated remote desktop, by any means neccesary. The best way that seems to exist is TigerVNC + VirtualGL, but VirtualGL isn't in the repos. This page wants me to install a .deb off sourceforge, but as you can imagine I'm nervous about that: https://github.com/aancel/admin/wiki/VirtualGL-on-Ubuntu
[13:43] <dTal> I see there's something called "Primus" which is sort of like VirtualGL but not a drop-in replacement, which seems like a rabbit hole...
[13:44] <oerheks> accelerated remote desktop .. full 3d and stuff?
[13:45] <dTal> yep
[13:47] <oerheks> vnc is too slow for that, no idea about that VirtualGL.
[13:47] <dTal> Why would VNC be too slow, over a LAN?
[13:48] <kyle__> There are many forks/extentions to vnc.  Some of which specifically handle opengl.
[13:48] <oerheks> vnc is neaver ment to use for 3d and effects, even a background should be disabled to get up speed
[13:50] <dTal> I calculate that you should get 11 FPS pushing a 2560×1440 over a 1 gigabit connection
[13:50] <dTal> with no compression of any kind
[13:51] <tatertots> you can easily administrate a system via VNC..if you're trying to watch HD movies or play video games you'll be disappointed
[13:52] <dTal> I would much rather hear about how to do it, than hear "it can't be done"
[13:52] <dTal> it clearly can be done
[13:52] <dTal> people do it
[13:53] <kyle__> The tigervnc plugin you're talking about (I just scrolled up, that's the extention I recalled even) was more meant to be able to use productivity applications that required GL.  It's not meant for gaming & video.
[13:53] <kyle__> Think CAD.
[13:54] <dTal> great
[13:54] <dTal> CAD is what I want it for
[13:54] <kyle__> Way back in the day x-forwarding, and even tunneling over ssh, would use your local opengl implementation, but we're talking WAY back in the day.
[13:55] <kyle__> With how much has changed in the display stack, I kindof doubt that's still the case.
[13:55] <dTal> I don't want to use the local OpenGL anyway
[13:56] <dTal> I guess I don't really understand what's so difficult about running an application perfectly normally, then stuffing its window down a pipe as a framebuffer
[13:56] <kyle__> It's not difficult.  It's just intensive.
[13:56] <kyle__> If you don't compress, it's bandwidth intensive.  If you compress the hell out of it, it's CPU intensive.
[13:57] <dTal> I'm on a gigabit LAN
[13:57] <kyle__> The trick is finding a balance.
[13:57] <dTal> what do I install
[13:57] <kyle__> I haven't played with that one in close to 5 years, sorry.  You'll have to dig through their docs.
[13:58] <kyle__> BUT, I'd say just try with the stock VNC, and see how it goes.  Tweak from there.
[13:58] <kyle__> There is nothing worse than going down a rabbithole of optimizing something when you don't need to
[13:58] <dTal> stock VNC won't have any acceleration at all
[13:58] <dTal> that's not going to work
[13:59] <dTal> have you done this before?
[13:59] <kyle__> VNC?  For many, many systems.
[13:59] <dTal> accelerated VNC
[13:59] <kyle__> Yes
[13:59] <dTal> and stock VNC worked fine for you?
[14:00] <kyle__> And unless you TEST it, you won't know if you need it.
[14:00] <kyle__> Also look at nomachine.
[14:00] <kyle__> Which isn't VNC, but is quite good.
[14:00] <dTal> yeah I won't use proprietary tech
[14:00] <kyle__> In many situations it's much faster.
[14:00]  * kyle__ shrugs
[14:00] <kyle__> OK
[14:00] <dTal> I've looked at x2go which is the closest free thing
[14:01] <dTal> the consensus is that it's a little janky and VNC+VirtualGL is faster
[14:01] <dTal> what I want, conceptually, is a server-side accelerated framebuffer that is pushed down a pipe uncompressed
[14:02] <dTal> if I have to run it at 1280x800 to get 40 FPS then fine
[14:02] <dTal> my question is, can I accomplish this with things in Ubuntu's repos
[14:05] <kyle__> "With VirtualGL, the OpenGL commands and 3D data are instead redirected to a GPU in the application server, and only the rendered frames are sent over the network"
[14:05] <kyle__> That's from the virtualGL page.  Now, think for a sec.  With VNC, and no acelleartion, where would the opengl calls be run?
[14:05] <kyle__> A) On the host.
[14:06] <kyle__> If you're connecting to a system with a powerful GPU running CAD, where do you want them to be run?
[14:06] <kyle__> A) On the host.
[14:06] <kyle__> VirtualGL nets you nothing in this case
[14:08] <BatsAreDelicious> guys how do i format my usb?
[14:08] <BatsAreDelicious> i get /dev/sdb1: no such file or directory
[14:08] <oerheks> 'disks' can do that
[14:09] <BatsAreDelicious> i'm getting some bs error
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> BatsAreDelicious: pastebin the error please
[14:11] <BatsAreDelicious> ok think i got it working
[14:12] <BatsAreDelicious> can i use a fat filesystem on a windows machine?
[14:12] <oerheks> have you tried?
[14:13] <gildarts> FAT32 works on Windows, as does exFAT.
[14:14] <BatsAreDelicious> thanks
[14:15] <BatsAreDelicious> i don't have a windows machine to try on
[14:16] <mIk3_08> Bluetooth indicator disappears after turn off When I turn bluetooth off, the indicator icon in the system tray disappears, rather than indicating that bluetooth is off and allowing to turn it back on: Ubuntu 18.04
[14:16] <mIk3_08> anyone can help
[14:18] <oerheks> when you enable BT, does the indicator come back?
[14:22] <eugenio_> hi all, I was trying to install ubuntu mate 18.04 in an old laptop. I was using an USB drive, firstly it starts a live version, and it works fine. Then once I start the installation, I was able to select the keyboard languages and to choose the type of installation (I chose minimal). After that I wait for a long time without any reaction. Could you
[14:22] <eugenio_> give me some hints? In case here you have the pastebin of part of my syslog: https://pastebin.com/E5bfyfuR
[14:23] <mIk3_08> oerheks: No, it wont show on the bar. I think its a Gnome style
[14:25] <davido_> How might I alter the alt-tab behavior to tab through all windows, without stacking them? As a home-row/vim user I don't care for the behavior where I need to alt tab and then use arrow keys to select the window, if there are two windows opened to the same application. As an example, I may have a few terminal windows opened.
[14:32] <mIk3_08> oerheks: was it a bug in Ubuntu/Gnome or some misconfiguration in my system? or its just a Gnome style, what you think?
[14:48] <feannag> i have few files encrypted with the same passphrase. But one of them isn't getting decrypted. Says, decryption failed. bad session key.
[14:48] <mIk3_08> oerheks: I have to go. By the way thanks for the reply. :-)
[14:59] <flying_sausages> hey guys, I'm trying to do an upgrade and the system fails. to come back up after reboot. now the thing is I've got a dedicated server and I don't have immediate access to the KVM to troubleshoot things, but I can start up a rescue mode on the host using their API and get an SSH session. Is there a way for me to troubleshoot the booting from this scenario?
[15:00] <m2_teknix> I have 50+ gnome extensions downloaded. What will be the quickest way to toggle an extension  on\off.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> m2_teknix: ubuntu-tweaks, top menu/disable all shell extensions
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> m2_teknix: or if disable individual, category extensions
[15:04] <m2_teknix> lotuspsychje:  I want to disable\enable a particular extention
[15:21] <dTal> kyle__: sorry, I had a meeting
[15:22] <dTal> my understanding was that vanilla VNC would have *no* GL calls, because Xvnc will not be using GLX extensions
[15:23] <dTal> the idea with VirtualGL was that the "virtual" X server can render applications to a framebuffer easily enough with regular X calls, but GLX calls need to an actual graphics card
[15:25] <dTal> however I can see that an uncompressed framebuffer is probably too much for even a gigabit LAN
[15:26] <YeOldHinnerk> rehi.
[15:27] <YeOldHinnerk> quick feedback on my earlier question concerning how to write paths containing spaces in a conf file, in my case minidlna (don't know if this is true for other software as well):
[15:27] <YeOldHinnerk> It turns out, you don't have to do anything, no quotes, no escpae char
[15:27] <YeOldHinnerk> just put the path including spaces.
[15:27] <YeOldHinnerk> in fact, quotes and escapes just don't work
[15:28] <YeOldHinnerk> so the correct version looks like this:
[15:28] <YeOldHinnerk> media_dir=A,/home/public/01 Music
[15:29] <oerheks> the '\' escapes a space in name, but you better remove the space in names.
[15:30] <oerheks> who invented spaces in file/folder names is silly.
[15:31] <dTal> oerheks: maybe whoever invented shell syntax was silly, since that's literally the only place it causes problems :p
[15:33] <jonny1811> Hi! I am trying to install some pacakage in Ubuntu 19.04. I got 404 error while doing apt-get update.
[15:33] <jonny1811> Ign:1 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco InRelease                                                                   Ign:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security InRelease                                                            Ign:3 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-updates InRelease                   Err:4
[15:33] <jonny1811> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release                        404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]Err:5 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco Release                               404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]Hit:6 http://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable InReleaseErr:7 http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[15:33] <jonny1811> disco-updates Release  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]Reading package lists... DoneE: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and
[15:33] <jonny1811> user configuration details.E: The repository 'http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco Release' no longer has a Release file.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.E: The repository
[15:33] <jonny1811> 'http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-updates Release' no longer has a Release file.N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.atal@ata
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> use a pastebin please jonny1811
[15:33] <oerheks> disco is dead, EOL, upgrade please
[15:33] <lordcirth> jonny1811, please do not paste so much into the channel. Also, this is because disco is EOL
[15:33] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[15:33] <R0b0t1`> hi, having issue with nmcli... I can't set a usb wifi dongle as managed. is there some other place I may have blacklisted it? it still shows up in nmcli d
[15:36] <oerheks> R0b0t1`, what command did you use, on what ubuntu version, and what wifi chipset details?
[15:44] <R0b0t1`> oerheks: name is wlx00184dbbc1bf driver is rtl8187 and i dunno what command you mean
[15:45] <R0b0t1`> oerheks: I check with `nmcli d` and try to set managed with `nmcli d set <name> managed yes`
[15:45] <R0b0t1`> but the change isn't reflected when I run `nmcli d` a second time
[15:51] <SFCGoodTimes> if I started to format an external drive, is there a command to see the progress of the format from terminal or even in gui?
[15:55] <SFCGoodTimes> and to answer my question gnome-disks
[15:58] <fanthomas> mkdir testdir  ... cat > testdir/whatever ... lsof +d testdir  should show the cat process, but when running from live cd, it doesn't .. what am I missing?
[16:07] <rr123> I noticed when I open a bash under ubuntu 18.04 it took about 70MB memory, why is it that heavy
[16:08] <rr123> also...gnome-shell is not really a good name, beginner might think it's gnome-terminal, shell really should be bash/ash/zsh under linux/unix
[16:19] <tieinv> Oh! That cat.
[16:19] <felco> 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
[16:20] <rr123> alright, lxterminal is 1/5 of gnome-terminal memory usage, now use lxterminal instead
[16:21] <felco> circa 2005 I was the guy saying Ubuntu stinks, fast forward some 15 years in the future, I'm the guy saying 'install ubuntu, best distro out there'
[16:21] <felco> Great work guys! Congratulations!
[16:26] <doug16k> rr123, 70MB of what exactly? VIRT of RES
[16:26] <doug16k> s/of/or
[16:26] <doug16k> RES is the actual taking up physical ram
[16:26] <doug16k> virt is space reserved where memory might be assigned
[16:27] <doug16k> SHR tells you how much it is sharing that it already has used by something else so total freebie
[16:30] <rr123> doug16k: it's actually bash itself, not gnome-terminal, lxterminal, or xterm :(
[16:30] <rr123> each bash shell will take about 33M VIRT  + 33M RES
[16:31] <rr123> so if I open 10 tabs, 700MB combined is gone
[16:31] <rr123> any light-weight bash replacement? e.g. busybox ash?
[16:31] <doug16k> I find that hard to believe. is something calling mlockall??
[16:31] <rr123> not really, just bash, though with some alias etc inside .bashrc
[16:31] <rr123> how can I run bash ignoring .bashrc?
[16:31] <doug16k> I bet RES isn't equal to virt
[16:32] <rr123> of course not
[16:32] <rr123> anyway let me remove .bashrc and try
 each bash shell will take about 33M VIRT  + 33M RES
[16:32] <doug16k> don't even look at virt. it's hypothetical. look at res
[16:32] <rr123> 33.4MB Virt, 33.7MB RES
[16:33] <doug16k> hypothetically if you touched every addressible byte res would be equal to virt
[16:33] <kyle__> There are tiny shells, for when that's really neccesary
[16:33] <entropygain> If I want to permanently edit the DNS nameservers on my Ubuntu 19.10 is editing the '/etc/systemd/resolved.conf' file the way to go?
[16:33] <rany> rr123, I prefer dash
[16:33] <rany> dash is faster for me, but just by a few microseconds
[16:34] <rr123> doug16k: after I 'mv .bashrc bashrc', new bash will take minimal memory
[16:34] <rr123> so something in my .bashrc is eating memory, not sure how to debug
[16:34] <rany> it's preinstalled on all debian (and debian-based systemd) systems, it stands for debian ash
[16:34] <doug16k> something was making it either mlockall or something malicious got in there
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> keep it ontopic please
[16:34] <rr123> rany: good point, never thought about dash
[16:34] <rr123> actually the first thing I used to do is to switch from dash to bash :(
[16:35] <rr123> as recommended by many tutorials, as dash sometimes breaks old scripts which are soley bash-able
[16:35] <rany> dash is faster for me, but by a few microseconds (relative to busybox ash)
[16:36] <rr123> 100% sure something is goofy in my .bashrc, will find out
[16:36] <rany> rr123, i really can't backlog too far, so it would be nice if you tl;dr about what you're facing
[16:37] <rr123> rany: after I had 10  gnome-terminal tabs I found bash uses 700 RES+VIRT
[16:37] <rany> in kb?
[16:37] <rr123> after remove .bashrc it stays 100MB combined and new tab rarely increases the memory usage
[16:37] <rr123> MB
[16:38] <rr123> actually it's about 40MB combined
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> rany rr123 please keep discussions and ubuntu issues divid
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[16:39] <rany> lotuspsychje, rr123 has a problem with gnome-terminal using > 700 MB of RES+VIRT
[16:39] <rany> I do think it's ontopic
[16:39] <rany> rr123, could you screenshot that? this seems very wrong
[16:39] <rany> and unlikely
[16:40] <rany> what packages have you installed on the system?
[16:40] <rany> (from outside of the ubuntu repos)
[16:42] <Iarla> On 19.10, my daughter's laptop has some setting where typing disables the touchpad. It's great for typing, but when playing Minecraft she can't move (WASD) and turn her head with the touchpad at the same time. Can anyone help? Ideally she'd like it disabled when typing but not when gaming.
[16:42] <Iarla> (I can't find the setting in settings under mouse or keyboard)
[16:44] <rany> Iarla, install gnome tweaks with `sudo apt install gnome-tweak-tool`
[16:45] <rany> and then go under "keyboard & mouse" and disable "disable while typing"
[17:05] <Iarla> rany: thanks, I'll do that :) Much appreciated.
[17:06] <rany> you're welcome :)
[17:11] <mixfix41> Iarla: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1052665/touchpad-not-getting-disabled-while-typing-on-thinkpad-e450-with-ubuntu-18-04 has the xorg.conf.d file you could use also
[17:14] <Iarla> mixfix41: thank you very much! That's a good answer (it didn't come up in my search results somehow). I think the Tweaks tool is best for her so she can disable the touchpad for typing but enable it when she wants to play Minecraft.
[17:26] <rr123> rany: after some debugging, turns out bash_completion is a memory eater, after I removed 1.4MB rclone and 300K kubectl bash autocomplete now each new bash will take 10MB, no longer 70MB
[17:27] <rr123> bash should somehow shared the autocomplete in memory, it seems each shell will have its own copy
[17:27]  * rr123 moves to bash channel to ask about it further
[17:29] <cgipython> is 20.04lts still target on apr 23rd launch?
[17:30] <oerheks> yes.
[17:30] <jkelol111> Can't wait for 20.04 :)
[17:32] <shibboleth> jkelol111, bionic will be supported for longer than usual
[17:32] <shibboleth> i'd advice sticking with it for now
[17:33] <shibboleth> 2004 is lining up to be like trusty. a hodge-podge of bad and stop-gap ideas
[17:33] <jkelol111> I'm on 19.10 right now...seems to work fine most of the time
[17:35] <jkelol111> I moved most of my debs to snap so this time upgrading shouldn't be too hard
[17:36] <jkelol111> And the GNOME that is bundled on Bionic is really really slow for me
[17:36] <SirNapkin1334> hello, when running apt-get update, I get a lot of 404 messages and No Release File errors. This is strange, as not only am I on 19.10 disco, but I have no manaully added PPA / repositories generating the errors - they are all from archive.ubuntu.com
[17:37] <oerheks> disco = 19.04
[17:37] <oerheks> and EOL, dead
[17:37] <SirNapkin1334> 19.04 is EOL?
[17:37] <oerheks> upgrade please
[17:37] <oerheks> !19.04
[17:38] <SirNapkin1334> well, `sudo do-release-upgrade` says no new release found
[17:38] <oerheks> use the eolupgrade method
[17:38] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[17:38] <SirNapkin1334> wait no i'm on 19.10
[17:38] <SirNapkin1334> not 19.04
[17:39] <oerheks> oke, paste the output of your apt update on paste.ubuntu.com, and lets see
[17:39] <SirNapkin1334> oops, sorry, i thought I sent it
[17:39] <SirNapkin1334> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mb6zBKg2NV/
[17:39] <oerheks> you seem to be at disco..
[17:40] <SirNapkin1334> i am 19.10. neofetch reports 19.10 and `do-release-upgrade` says that here is no new version
[17:40] <oerheks> interesting, why does your sources say disco?
[17:40] <SirNapkin1334> unsure
[17:41] <SirNapkin1334> i do believe I upgraded from xenial a while ago, to disco
[17:41] <oerheks> forget neofetch, fix it
[17:41] <SirNapkin1334> do i just change the names to bionic?
[17:41] <oerheks> no, follow the guide
[17:54] <daftjack> ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS, google-chrome 81.0.4044.122, if I run google-chrome as the logged in user it runs, if I do it as another user it crashes with "seccomp-bpf failure in syscall 0063", as the same user it crashes as if I run with "--no-sandbox" it runs fine.  Impression this is some socket connection issue but anyone seen this possibly have a solution?
[17:55] <rany> daftjack https://github.com/puppeteer/puppeteer/blob/master/docs/troubleshooting.md#recommended-enable-user-namespace-cloning
[17:55] <rany> ah nevernind
[17:56] <daftjack> Yah Ive seen that and numerous others hasnt helped yet and Im not convinced that is the problem.
[17:56] <daftjack> Otherwise why work as the other user.
[17:57] <daftjack> Im seeing this pop up on some forums as recent as March 10 for Fedora etc as well but so far not seen any fixes.
[17:57] <daftjack> Some have indicated a possible glibc issue too.
[17:58] <vertion> Hi
[17:58] <sumagna> hi
[17:58] <vertion> Where can I find the latest development release help channel
[17:58] <sumagna> #ubuntu+1 i think but...
[17:59] <tripelb> 18.04 how do I lengthen the time between when it asks me for my password? What is it called so I can look it up on my own? It doesn't seem to be in Passwords and Keys
[18:00] <rany> daftjack, did you run from googles repo?
[18:00] <daftjack> rany:yes
[18:00] <rany> oh , well does chromium run fine?
[18:01] <rany> test chromium pls
[18:02] <daftjack> rany:It does but the problem is I need google-chrome due to other issues.
[18:03] <rany> drm?
[18:03] <daftjack> The second user is used for work sites and those sites require some plugins and such to work properly and some of them also dont work in chromium though Im unsure why.
[18:04] <rany> daftjack, are you running 32-bit?
[18:04] <daftjack> No 64.
[18:04] <rany> just asking because i saw a 32-bit specific bug
[18:04] <rany> in the chromium bug tracker...
[18:04] <rany> hmm
[18:04] <daftjack> The fact the desktop logged in user works but the other does not seems an indicator of a difference between the environment, maybe.
[18:05] <rany> daftjack, could you try `apt install --reinstall google-chrome`
[18:05] <daftjack> This was working until an update today for the record. Been workingf or months.
[18:05] <rany> hmm, could you send a pastebin of the env command of each user?
[18:06] <daftjack> I can try that later. ATM not an option. For the reinstall.
[18:06] <daftjack> Im actually going through the env setup now. =)
[18:06] <rany> how about env command pastebin?
[18:06] <rany> :)
[18:06] <daftjack> Im wondering if its a socket permission issue.
[18:07] <daftjack> ie: logged in has it, other does not.
[18:07] <rany> daftjack, aha! check the group of each user
[18:08] <rany> if that doesn't fix it then its probably not a permission issue
[18:08] <rany> also, i have a feeling this could be google's fault...
[18:10] <daftjack> rany:I agree its almost certainly a google thing but I thought I might find a work around via the OS.
[18:10] <rany> didn't the `chrome --no-sandbox` thing work for you?
[18:10] <daftjack> Thanks for the feedback. Actually working while I try to solve this so need to deal with that more.
[18:11] <daftjack> Yes --no-sandbox works as the user it crashes on.
[18:11] <daftjack> Yet I dont need it on the other user.
[18:11] <daftjack> And Id rather not run without the sandbox.
[18:12] <daftjack> Maybe Im putting too much emphasis on the sandbox for this user since they are all trusted sites but still seems messy when I didnt need to do it before.
[18:12] <rany> daftjack, screw ubuntu for forcing snaps on us.... `chromium-browser` downloads the chromium snap for you
[18:12] <daftjack> s/messy/bad practice
[18:12] <rany> they shouldn't hijack `apt`
[18:12] <rany> 😠
[18:12] <oerheks> ... how helpfull
[18:13] <oerheks> keep the channel free for support, thanks
[18:13] <rany> oerheks, sarcasm?
[18:13] <rany> yeah, sorry... trying to helpout daftjack by installing chromium but a snap was installed instead
[18:13] <rany> which is not what i wanted because i was testing seccomp
[18:14] <rany> and the snap runs with --no-sandbox already
[18:14] <oerheks> i think snap is a good move, evendebian has a shortage for chromium developers.. i think it is about the bad coding
[18:14] <daftjack> bbl and thanks again for help. if I find out more ill post it etc.
[18:14] <rany> oerheks, agreed, but a message would have been nicer
[18:14] <rany> for new installers
[18:15] <vertion> I installed focal fossa and for some reason the right speaker doesn't work... it is not a hardware issue.  I have gone into Sound settings and tested Left and Right speakers.  No sound on Right.  I have updated and restarted and had the issue since upgrade
[18:16] <oerheks> the move to snap packages is mentioned in the releasenotes, not new, 18.04 already had them
[18:19] <rany> oh i see... i was just unaware
[18:19] <shewless> Hello.  I am experiencing a problem with my external USB blue ray burner and I have read several sites that recommend disabling UAS.. but I cannot for the life of me get that to work.  I have tried what is noted here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2307662&p=13421453#post13421453 which is basically to add the quirks option when loading
[18:19] <shewless> the usb-storage module but that doesn't seem to work
[18:20] <shewless> I expect to see this message in dmesg but I don't: [   93.985002] usb 4-1: UAS is blacklisted for this device, using usb-storage instead
[18:21] <shewless> ubuntu 19.10.  created a file called /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-uas.conf, put "options usb-storage quirks=174c:55aa:u" in it.  Ran sudo update-initramfs -u. Rebooted.. didn't work
[18:22] <shewless> I tried adding this to grub as well: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="usb-storage.quirks=174c:55aa:u" (and ran update-grub)
[18:22] <shewless> I verified that is the correct address using lsusb.  No matter what I do it appears that UAS is used when I plug in my drive
[18:23] <shewless> Here is what dmesg shows me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sdWkHvY6MM/
[18:24] <grawity> fairly sure it expects the '0x' prefix for both hex numbers
[18:24] <shewless> grawity hmmm. I had read it didn't but I suppose it doesn't hurt to try
[18:25] <shewless> I'm trying this as a shortcut too.. sudo rmmod uas usb-storage; sudo modprobe usb-storage quirks=0x174c:0x55aa:u
[18:26] <shewless> When I tried that (adding the 0x) it didn't seem to make a difference
[18:28] <shewless> grawity do you know what this means: usb-storage 4-6:1.0: Quirks match for vid 174c pid 55aa: c00000
[18:29] <shewless> perhaps it is working but the dmesg output has changed to not mention the blacklisted UAS?
[18:33] <shewless> No I'm pretty sure it's just not disabling UAS for my device.  Anyone have any recommendations? Should modprobe blacklisting work for usb-storage?
[18:40] <dhiaagr> @tatertots Hi ( : I solved the problem by hard resetting that old piece of crap's bios. The install went smoothly afterwards
[18:40] <dhiaagr> I believe the last time I used a hard reset I was 15
[19:07] <firelegend> Not sure if this is Virtualbox related
[19:08] <firelegend> but after upgrading my ubuntu installation to 19.10 it boots up to just the desktop background with a movable cursor but nothing else
[19:08] <paul1us> hello all, I was wondering if anyone could help me. I had an earlier version of ubuntu 18.10 I think. I missed the upgrade window to 19:10. but then I found a way to force the update by changing some properties. however, now whenever I try to update via terminal I get errors.
[19:08] <firelegend> I want to know if it's posssible to see the error message somehow
[19:08] <firelegend> on why the desktop isn't starting properly
[19:08] <paul1us> I would like to update to 20.04, and the GUI way is not working at the moment.
[19:09] <sarnold> paul1us: you may have some success with do-release-upgrade -d
[19:09] <oerheks> paul1us, there is no upgrade path to 20.04, nor tomorrow, wait for 20.40.1  ... or just do a fresh install
[19:10] <oerheks> with a borked system, you are faster with a fresh iso
[19:10] <sarnold> that's quitepossibly true
[19:10] <paul1us> super, thank you :)
[19:11] <paul1us> is it possible to upgrade by using an iso? or do i need to do a clean install?
[19:11] <oerheks> what do you think, with your current issues?
[19:12] <paul1us> oerheks, I do not know. I am quite a noob.
[19:12] <ioria> paul1us, what errors you get with 'apt update' ? can you paste it ?
[19:12] <firelegend> Seems like it was the graphics controller
[19:13] <firelegend> 19.10 didn't play well with VboxVGA and I had to choose a diff one
[19:13] <johnjay> sarnold: how fortunate i completely borked my system yesterday
[19:14] <paul1us> ioria, https://pastebin.com/Lh2Xwu9X
[19:15] <sarnold> johnjay: how so? :)
[19:16] <johnjay> it's an opportune time to lose my data
[19:16] <sarnold> paul1us: ah, those just mean that you're no longer getting updates for teamviewer or docker, the ubuntu sources look fine
[19:16] <sarnold> johnjay: oh no :(
[19:16] <ioria> paul1us, 1) you have a bionic repo still enabled ; 2 ) eoan-proposed is not good 3) you probably need to remove teamviewer and reinstall it
[19:17] <paul1us> sarnold, thanks. it was just strange that I was not getting any updates via command line
[19:18] <ioria> paul1us, bionic-security is not fine
[19:19] <NotSatoshi> I want to locate the data directory of a program that is installed on my ubutu box. Is there a command to search for that?
[19:19] <johnjay> NotSatoshi: try dpkg -L <package> | less
[19:20] <johnjay> it usually lists all dirs it uses
[19:21] <paul1us> ioria, thank you I will reinstall the teamviewer. if I want to remove the repos,  I would do that via Software & Updates/Other software?
[19:21] <ioria> paul1us, yes, you can use the gui; but first check  your  /etc/apt/sources.list  and your /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[19:26] <paul1us> ioria, thank you :)
[19:26] <ioria> paul1us, ok
[19:31] <NotSatoshi> thanks johnjay
[19:31] <quantum> Hi brad
[19:32] <quantum> DISTRIB_CODENAME=maverick
[19:32] <quantum> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.10"
[19:33] <oerheks> quantum, EOL, dead
[19:33] <ioria> quantum, and you want help with that ?
[19:34] <quantum> Meeting brad here for a cross-compile.
[19:34] <ioria> i see
[19:34] <oerheks> ioria, same guy with his 'friend' again, talking to himself
[19:34] <oerheks> :-D
[19:34] <ioria> ok
[19:34] <quantum> Want to compile WireGuard for ARM.
[19:34] <oerheks> quantum, don't bother to fill this room with nonsense
[19:34] <oerheks> 10.10 ... i remember that day
[19:35] <quantum> oerheks: What nonsense?  Do you see any nonsense?
[19:35] <akflcar> what is the sha256 of ubuntu18.04.iso
[19:36] <oerheks> akflcar, which one, 18.04.4
[19:36] <oerheks> ?
[19:36] <akflcar> idk
[19:36] <akflcar> 18.04
[19:36] <akflcar> ya,18.04.4
[19:36] <oerheks> you find it in the 18.04 folder http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[19:39] <oerheks> https://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.4/ for desktop
[19:40] <akflcar> for burning which is the best blocksize for bs=512B it takes too much time as that is the default, but is 1G blocksize good?
[19:40] <akflcar> which is the optimal blocksize
[19:41] <sarnold> burning what?
[19:42] <akflcar> dd ubuntu
[19:42] <akflcar> iso
[19:42] <akflcar> on usb
[19:42] <oerheks> bs=4M
[19:42] <oerheks> status=progress is also fun, and make sure you 'sync' after that
[19:43] <sarnold> yeah, 4M sounds good. probably anything between 128k and 16M is going to be pretty similar
[19:43] <sarnold> 4M is nice and easy to type :)
[19:45] <akflcar> should i reformat my old usb as it contains an old live OS not ubuntu
[19:46] <housecat> doesn't matter, using dd will overwrite whatever's on there
[19:46] <oerheks> DD should not notice, AFAIK
[19:46] <akflcar> guys why it did take only 8seconds, usually it takes 10minutes, sth is wrong?
[19:46] <housecat> run "sync"
[19:46] <housecat> it's probably stuck in disk cache, sync will flush it
[19:46] <housecat> and will take a while
[19:47] <akflcar> so if i won't run sync, then what?
[19:47] <oerheks> then .. wait?
[19:48] <ioria> akflcar, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/312687/why-is-sync-so-important-when-making-a-bootable-linux-usb-stick
[19:49] <oerheks> you will read something when you try to unmount
[19:49] <akflcar> if i won't run sync will it boot?
[19:50] <ioria> sure, if you don't plug it out too soon
[19:50] <oerheks> maybe..not?
[19:54] <akflcar> sync is still stuck, it's been 4 minutes
[19:54] <akflcar> ok now it's done.
[19:54] <housecat> yeah that's normal
[19:55] <akflcar> tar -xzOf archlinux-2016-09-03-dual.iso | dd of=/dev/disk2 bs=4M status=progress && sync why tar
[19:56] <oerheks> why arch ?
[19:56] <oerheks> this is ubuntu support, dude
[19:56] <akflcar> Isn't that invalid as .iso is not a tar archive , no it's your link, don't be hypersenstitive, just replace arch with ubuntu. oerheks relax
[19:56] <oerheks> good luck!
[19:56] <akflcar> sorry it's ioria 's link
[19:56] <akflcar> anti-archers
[19:57] <akflcar> anti- anti-ubunutuers...
[20:06] <TheWild> wait, what? ISO is to be dd'ed, or if you want to extract it, you can use 7-zip.
[20:07] <oerheks> TheWild, even #arch has no clue
[20:07] <Aleric> Hi - I reported a bug to ClawsMail (https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4337) which was immediately closed as Invalid.
[20:08] <Aleric> The author of ClawsMail claims that this is a bug in GTK.
[20:08] <Aleric> Does anyone know of the possibility of such a bug, as described in my report?
[20:08] <TheWild> is that ISO broken?
[20:11] <oerheks> No, clawsmails says it is a theme/cursor theme issue..
[20:13] <Aleric> oerheks: Well, same thing :p.
[20:13] <Aleric> How can I investigate what is the (real) cause?  I have compiled ClawsMail from git now, and of course I can reproduce the problem.
[20:14] <oerheks> On what ubuntu version? and what theme/cursor theme?
[20:15] <Aleric> 18.04, I don't know the latter, I don't think I ever changed it. Where can I see this?
[20:15] <oerheks> systemsettings
[20:16] <Aleric> Appearance or Workspace?
[20:16] <matsaman> Aleric: what's the issue?
[20:17] <Aleric> matsaman: mouse becomes invisible when I use the keyboard (even when touching the shift key). It should become visible again when moving the mouse, but this does not happen.
[20:18] <Aleric> Going outside the input area makes it visible, but returning makes it invisible again. Aka, as if it sets the cursor to invisible as soon as the mouse cursor is over this input area.
[20:19] <Aleric> oerheks: ok I found it.. it's "Breeze"
[20:19] <Aleric> Hmm - I remember seeing that word popup somewhere...
[20:20] <Aleric> I believe that is mentioned in an error message that I get when running gmplayer since many many years - which is why gmplayer has not been usable anymore for many years.
[20:21] <Aleric> I switched to vlc because of that.
[20:21] <matsaman> Aleric: just in the claws UI?
[20:21] <Aleric> yes
[20:22] <Aleric> And only in the Compose window and then only in its message body input rectangle. Not the subject line or To: fields etc.
[20:22] <matsaman> cool
[20:22] <Aleric> So now I have a personal issue with the clawsmail maintainer :p, cause I don't believe that this not related in ANY way to clawsmail :/
[20:23] <Aleric> Actually - I remember something else from a few years ago... hmm, 5 years ago or so.
[20:23] <Aleric> I had the same problem, disappearing mouse pointer, in the SecondLife viewer that I was working on.
[20:23] <Aleric> The reason for that was that certain resource files were not installed. This WAS a bug in the SL viewer.
[20:24] <Aleric> Now if only I could find back the commit that I made that fixed that :/
[20:24] <Aleric> *tries to find it*
[20:25] <matsaman> Aleric: you aren't using unclutter or something?
[20:25] <Aleric> no idea what that is (no)
[20:25] <matsaman> ps aux | grep -i unclutter
[20:30] <Aleric> I can't find back that commit..
[20:30] <Aleric> matsaman: nothing
[20:31] <matsaman> ok
[20:32] <Aleric> I switched mouse theme: same problem
[20:33] <guzzlefry> hi, how do I get time to sync?
[20:33] <matsaman> guzzlefry: regularly?
[20:33] <guzzlefry> I've tried several things like calling ntpdate manually. For some reason it doesn't work.
[20:33] <guzzlefry> matsaman: preferably
[20:33] <guzzlefry> I'll take a way to manually do it.
[20:34] <matsaman> well, I'm sure you can fix ntp, but
[20:34] <matsaman> date -us "$(cat </dev/tcp/time.nist.gov/13 | cut -c 7-23)" in a cron job does about the same thing
[20:34] <oerheks> guzzlefry, dual boot with windows 10?
[20:35] <guzzlefry> nope
[20:36] <guzzlefry> matsaman: Thanks, that worked. No clue why ntpdate doesn't. No error.
[20:38] <matsaman> Aleric: wayland?
[20:48] <sumagna> !isitout
[20:53] <matsaman> Aleric: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111541
[21:21] <alazy> If I'm interested in a package is there a way to read it's manual from a terminal without actually downloading and installing it?
[21:22] <matsaman> which package?
[21:23] <oli_b> alazy: There are some "online man pages"
[21:23] <oli_b> alazy: google for it, You'll get some hits
[21:23] <oli_b> You can read man pages from the web -- no need to install the package
[21:24] <housecat> don't even need to google, they're all at https://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[21:24] <oli_b> housecat: Yeah, and also man.he.net, man.cx, etc....
[21:25] <oli_b> housecat: but definitely the best one is what You are linking
[21:27] <sumagna> !isitout
[21:31] <Aleric> matsaman: no wayland.
[21:34] <kenwoodfox> Any chance somebody wants to sell a X5690 or two?
[21:35] <Sheilong> Some manual pages are missing on my Ubuntu 18.04Lts. For instance, float.h, limits.h, pthreads.h...
[21:35] <oerheks> kenwoodfox, wrong channel, this is ubuntu support
[21:35] <kenwoodfox> Sorry oerheks,
[21:36] <kk4ewt> Sheilong; those are not applications but hexfiles so no there will not be any man files for those
[21:36] <oerheks> part of posix-dev http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man7/float.h.7posix.html
[21:37] <Sheilong> kk4ewt: I know what kind of files they are. I just meant  that some  manual pages from section 3 are missing.
[21:37] <Sheilong> Manual pages that are related to those header files.
[21:37] <oerheks> download them all in once> git clone http://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/docs/man-pages/man-pages
[21:38] <oli_b> Sheilong: also a general rule of thumb: if You install the development package for a certain topic, like xxxx-dev , then might be You find the documentation for it in the xxxx-doc package...
[21:39] <housecat> in the case of those POSIX manpages, you want manpages-posix-dev from multiverse
[21:39] <Sheilong> Okay. I thought they should come together with libc
[21:39] <housecat> the license on them is funky, which is why they're not included along with the rest of the development environment
[21:40] <oerheks> housecat +1
[21:40] <housecat> if you don't already have it, you probably also want manpages-dev (i think build-essential ends up installing this but i forget)
[21:41] <sarnold> housecat: you have no many times I've had to re-learn that the useful manpages are in multiverse :)
[21:43] <Aleric> This is what basically happens when I press 'shift' and the cursor becomes invisible (in strace): https://gyazo.com/08226b0c1e320461f444a59204fcea17
[21:43] <Aleric> Sorry for the super wide screenshot :/
[21:44] <Aleric> Strange is: I'm not even using the cursor theme Breeze :/
[21:46] <Admin__> Windows Dualboot
[21:46] <matsaman> alazy: 'tmux' as example: curl -s $(curl -sA '' 'https://www.google.com/search?btnI&q=man%page%tmux' | grep -oP '(?<=q=)http[^"]+') | elinks -dump | less
[21:47] <Admin__> ./
[21:48] <Admin__> Windows Dualboot
[21:48] <Admin__> Windows Dualboot
[21:48] <Admin__> v
[21:48] <Admin__> vvWindows Dualboot
[21:48] <Admin__> Windows Dualboot
[21:48] <Admin__> Windows Dualboot
[21:51] <oerheks> Admin__, interesting.
[21:51] <Admin__> ok
[21:51] <Admin__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wgtWjzMmZj/
[21:51] <Admin__> my question
[21:52] <Admin__> oerheks, Yes
[21:52] <housecat> what about it?
[21:53] <Admin__> im a Admin__
[21:53] <Admin__> clr
[21:54] <oli_b> Admin__: is the question how to install Win + Ubuntu on the same Computer and be able to select at startup?
[21:55] <Admin__> yes oli_b
[21:55] <oerheks> !dualboot
[21:55] <Admin__> thx
[21:55] <oerheks> strange way to ask a question, IMHO
[21:55] <oli_b> oerheks: but somehow I figured it out :-)
[21:56] <oli_b> Admin__: I would say: Partition the disk with Linux first, then install Windows not allowing it to partition the disk, but install on the first available "drive" (like C:), then install Ubuntu on the next partitions -- Ubuntu will take care not to delete Windows and Grub will offer to boot any of the available operating systems
[21:57] <Admin__> Thx
[21:58] <Admin__> ı'm install ubuntu 16.04.6
[21:58] <Aktive> hello
[21:58] <sarnold> Admin__: why something so old?
[21:58] <oli_b> Admin__: I would recommend at least 18.04
[21:59] <Aktive> when I try to upgrade to the new ubuntu 20.04 I get this "There is no development version of an LTS available." what to do ?
[21:59] <Admin__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jgYY3v38ds/
[21:59] <Admin__> PC Graphics Card is Motherboard
[22:00] <Admin__> 2009
[22:00] <oerheks> Aktive, wait until release 20.04.1 in august, tomorrow is the release....
[22:00] <oerheks> but not the upgrade path
[22:01] <Admin__> !20.04
[22:01] <oli_b> Admin__: if hardware is old and slow, I would still install at least 18.04 but would choose a flavor that is less resource-consuming, like xubuntu or lubuntu
[22:01] <Aktive> oerheks, tomorrow is the release 20.04 ?
[22:01] <Admin__> yes slow
[22:01] <Admin__> 2GB RAM
[22:01] <oerheks> !flavors
[22:02] <oli_b> Admin__: try lubuntu or xubuntu, they don't need a powerful machine, they are designed to consume minimal resources
[22:02] <Admin__> ok thanks
[22:02] <Admin__> download lubuntu 18.04
[22:02] <Admin__> !lubuntu
[22:03] <Jordan_U> Admin__: I would personally wait for tomorrow to get Lubuntu 20.04. Then you'll get newer software, and won't need to upgrade for a while.
[22:04] <oli_b> Jordan_U: Admin__: Or try lubuntu 18.04 and xubuntu 18.04 on a live image, and decide which one fits better, then install its 20.04 version... :-)
[22:08] <Admin__> lubuntu Upgrade to 20.04??
[22:09] <Admin__> or wait
[22:09] <Admin__> ??
[22:09] <oli_b> Admin__: try it on a live image, and if You like it then install 20.04 already. Then You don't have to upgrade
[22:10] <oli_b> 18.04 on a live image, then after release install 20.04
[22:10] <SoItBegins> !isitout
[22:10] <HellbertWest> Could you please indicate what time do Canonical launch Ubuntu 20.04 ISO?
[22:10] <oerheks> HellbertWest, no time given.
[22:11] <HellbertWest> thks
[22:11] <oerheks> just wait and see, join #ubuntu-release-party
[22:11] <housecat> it's not a set time, depends on how long all the steps take and whether there are any issues
[22:11] <HellbertWest> nice thks
[22:12] <Admin__> 20.04 is
[22:12] <Admin__> May on Release
[22:13] <Admin__> Try Beta Version.
[22:15] <HellbertWest> 20.04 means April?
[22:15] <housecat> yep
[22:15] <oerheks> !yy.mm
[22:20] <Admin__> lxde or lxqt?
[22:20] <Admin__> !lxde
[22:21] <Admin__> !lxqt
[22:21] <Admin__> May
[22:21] <Admin__> vvv
[22:21] <Admin__> vvvvvv
[22:21] <Admin__> v
[22:21] <Admin__> fgf
[22:21] <Admin__> f
[22:21] <Admin__> f
[22:22] <Kryuna> what?
[22:22] <housecat> bored person.
[22:27] <DocMors> !isitout
[22:36] <burner> Question for anyone out there... You know how you can tell Rhythmbox to just look at a folder an monitor it for music? And that directory can be an smb network share. Is there a photos app like this? I used to love Picasa on Windows and digikam used to work, but I can't get it to connect to network folders now
[22:36] <k18e> Any idea where I can try read out the name of the current Terminal profile? Stuff is stored in dconf, but it's all UUIDs
[22:37] <alazy> oli_b, matsaman, housecat, thanks for the replies. I was searching for online man pages with an ncurses browser but just hoping there was a tool that took less thought/effort.
[22:38] <Guest_14> hello
[22:38] <Guest_14> can I ask a question?
[22:38] <burner> you just did ><
[22:38] <Guest_14> well..
[22:38] <Guest_14> so I have a MacBook Pro 2016
[22:38] <Guest_14> can I install ubuntu on it?
[22:39] <Guest_14> I heard this was possible on previous models
[22:39] <burner> yes
[22:39] <Guest_14> so it will still work?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !install | Guest_14
[22:39] <ospite> irc.artikanet.org
[22:40] <Guest_14> can I use this tutorial? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#7-boot-your-mac
[22:41] <oerheks> Guest_14, sure
[22:41] <burner> yep. make a bootable usb stick. then boot from it
[22:42] <Bashing-om> !mac | Guest_14
[22:55] <asjsf911f> hello really need some help installing Linux ubuntu.  \
[22:56] <Bashing-om> !details | asjsf911f
[22:56] <burner> what up?
[22:56] <asjsf911f> switching from windows 10 to Linux.  I have created a bootable usb with Linux on it. when I boot from that usb. I get a purplish screen screen with a small icon  which is unclear with = next to a human in a circle
[22:57] <asjsf911f> then it switches to another screen with the followingspectre mitigation: LFENCE not serializing, switching to generic retopline
[22:57] <asjsf911f> then says no compatible acpi+pss objects found
[22:57] <Bashing-om> asjsf911f: That seems to ne a bios boot - in the firmware choose to boot the USB as UEFI to match Windows10.
[22:57] <asjsf911f> first make sure cool n quiet is enabled which I have it turned on and then says to try upgrading bios
[22:57] <asjsf911f> which its up to date
[22:57] <Bashing-om> ne/be*
[22:58] <burner> !uefi
[23:00] <burner> also, how did you create the bootable usb? I suggest rufus or balenaEtcher
[23:01] <asjsf911f> rufus
[23:02] <burner> yeah right on, in that app, you can choose to make it a BIOS or UEFI. Presumably you chose UEFI which is recommended. BIOS is referred to as legacy now
[23:03] <asjsf911f> okay so I should try remaking the bootable usb with that setting
[23:04] <burner> Do you remember if you set it to UEFI? It couldn't hurt to do it again :)
[23:05] <asjsf911f> i don't recall to be honest
[23:06] <asjsf911f> looking at the rufus program i did have the UEFI set up
[23:07] <burner> i'd recommend checking out the boot settings then... probably want UEFI on and secureboot off.
[23:07] <asjsf911f> that would be on my bios setting current?
[23:08] <burner> kind of... though "bios" is a misnomer when we're talking about uefi :)
[23:08] <burner> but yes... everyone refers to it as getting in your bios settings... myself included :)
[23:08] <burner> I was trying to change it just now to "boot" settings but i'm pulled back to "bios" :)
[23:09] <asjsf911f> k ill take a look got both pc set up side by side
[23:13] <burner> asjsf911f, pro tip, you could try adding "acpi=0" if you just want to address the acpi thing. https://askubuntu.com/questions/160036/how-do-i-disable-acpi-when-booting
[23:16] <asjsf911f> i set the acpi to disabled. was previously enabled and still no luck
[23:16] <asjsf911f> went through all categories of my bios as well to find  anything on the secure boot setting and not finding anything
[23:26] <matsaman> alazy: no need for effor when you have sh and a pipeline
[23:28] <matsaman> effort*
[23:42] <asjsf911f> what do you mean no need for effort when sh or pipeline


[09:51] <sparkiegeek> hi, I have a MP which has generated a rather long diff, enough that LP is truncating it. Is there a way of persuading LP to show me the full diff? (via URL hackery or similar)
[09:59] <cjwatson> sparkiegeek: I'm afraid the only option is to check out the branches and generate it locally
[09:59] <cjwatson> I think ...
[09:59] <cjwatson> sparkiegeek: URL to the MP?
[09:59] <sparkiegeek> cjwatson: fair enough, I discussed with reviewers and agreed a different approach
[10:01] <sparkiegeek> cjwatson: I actually have a follow-up question - can I tell bzr/LP that a file is "binary" even if technically it isn't? the large file in question is generated code, which shouldn't be reviewed, it's just an artifact that's version controlled for REASONS™
[10:04] <cjwatson> sparkiegeek: so you should be able to use the "Download diff" link to get the whole thing, albeit not syntax-highlighted
[10:04] <sparkiegeek> cjwatson: right, we really were hoping for inline comments on chunks past the first "page"
[10:05] <sparkiegeek> don't worry, problem has been worked around (for now)
[10:05] <cjwatson> Yeah, this is basically "if we do that then we time out due to spending too much time rendering"
[10:06] <sparkiegeek> ack
[10:06] <cjwatson> bzr's logic for detecting a binary file is just "is there a NUL byte in the first 1024 bytes"
[10:06] <cjwatson> which is crude but apparently mostly pretty effective
[10:07] <cjwatson> and indeed that's pretty much diff's logic too
[10:07] <cjwatson> don't see a way to override that
[10:07] <sparkiegeek> right, was hoping for a way to hint to LP that it should treat /this/ file as a blob
[10:08] <cjwatson> in subversion I'd suggest setting the content-type or something but bzr doesn't have that degree of per-file properties
[10:08]  * sparkiegeek nods
[10:08] <cjwatson> it would have to be a facility in the underlying VCS rather than in LP, really
[10:09] <cjwatson> now, git *does* have this facility
[10:09] <cjwatson> https://git-scm.com/docs/gitattributes
[10:09] <cjwatson> so you can have this if you switch to git :)
[10:10] <sparkiegeek> haha
[10:10] <cjwatson> (in LP, obviously ...)
[10:10] <sparkiegeek> and a series of headaches to go along with it :D
[10:10] <sparkiegeek> thanks though
[10:10] <cjwatson> best I can do, sorry
[10:11] <sparkiegeek> np, it's good to have confirmation either way!