[19:41] <blr> morning
[21:55] <wgrant> cjwatson: Hum, why did you choose to include the virtualenv in the tarball?
[21:56] <wgrant> That seems pretty dodgy.
[22:01] <lifeless> they aren't typically portable...
[22:05] <cjwatson> I thought the deployment target would be similar enough to the build environment in this very specific case that that wouldn't be a problem
[22:06] <lifeless> so the two specific things that cause issues
[22:07] <lifeless> a) the path is hard coded
[22:07] <wgrant> cjwatson: What about eg. libgit2 versions?
[22:07] <wgrant> Does the mojo build container have the right one?
[22:07] <wgrant> Or paths.
[22:07] <cjwatson> We can make it have the right one!
[22:07] <lifeless> b) so library bumps can cause havoc (e.g. even with Python x.y rebuilds)
[22:07] <cjwatson> But maybe paths are an issue.
[22:07] <wgrant> Absolute paths are hardcoded in virtualenvs for no obvious reason.
[22:07] <lifeless> we broke virtualenvs in 2.7 on some ubuntu releases with that one
[22:08] <wgrant> Eh, Python minor releases always break a lot of things.
[22:08] <cjwatson> I also wanted to avoid having the virtualenv construction code be duplicated.  But perhaps we could ship an appropriate script in the tarball and use it in turnip's Makefile.
[22:08] <wgrant> SRUing them is entirely insane, so not a huge issue.
[22:08] <cjwatson> (Or ship the Makefile, which we probably already do.)
[22:08] <lifeless> cjwatson: so, I'd suggest an LXC container if you want a big blob to ship around
[22:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: (or similar)
[22:09] <cjwatson> Er
[22:09] <cjwatson> I don't think you're entirely familiar with the environment here
[22:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: otherwise construct in-place is much better for virtualenvs
[22:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'm surely stale :)
[22:09] <lifeless> cjwatson: happy to be educated, or to butt out :)
[22:10] <cjwatson> I think nesting an LXC container (at least in some cases it will be nesting) is probably overkill.  This is in the context of a Mojo deployment
[22:10] <cjwatson> But I'm happy to convert to constructing in-place - I didn't realise virtualenvs were quite *that* fragile
[22:10] <wgrant> They're entirely unportable for a combination of good and terrible reasons.
[22:11] <cjwatson> (Well, convert back, but with better code for it.)
[22:11] <wgrant> The long-term solution is to use wheels.
[22:11] <wgrant> Having a separate virtualenv build script probably makes sense.
[22:11] <cjwatson> lifeless: more specifically the context is lp:~cjwatson/turnip/virtualenv
[22:11] <cjwatson> That gets us closer to using wheels - I just didn't do that as a first step
[22:12] <cjwatson> It wouldn't take much to have a "make compile" equivalent on top of that branch.
[22:14] <cjwatson> lifeless: (sorry, the above came across sharper than intended, I was just having an "argh, not another container" moment)
[22:21] <lifeless> cjwatson: no worries
[22:22] <lifeless> cjwatson: I've merged your testtools branch now (sorry for the delay) - and filed the bug on twisted
[22:22] <lifeless> cjwatson: I'll cut a release after the tokyo summit I think, unless you're blocked ?
[22:25] <cjwatson> lifeless: I saw, thanks!  Not blocked at the moment, because I need to yak-shave extensively before we can upgrade testtools
[22:26] <cjwatson> (i.e. convert Launchpad to pip)
[22:27] <cjwatson> And I think I want to build up experience with something a bit smaller like turnip before finishing off my embryonic work on that
[22:41] <blr> cjwatson: well, not quite as terrifying as juju-fying lp. That's going to be interesting.
[22:41] <cjwatson> blr: Yes, quite.  Though working on this I begin to see some of the shape that that could take.
[22:41] <blr> right
[22:42] <cjwatson> Once we're on pip I think I could reasonably figure out how to jujuify importds, err, given about two or three weeks


[02:05] <LPCIBot> Yippie, build fixed!
[02:05] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #44: FIXED in 52 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/44/
[02:12] <wgrant> Erm.
[02:13] <wgrant> StevenK: It failed to detect the testrunner breakage :(
[02:55] <StevenK> Whee, subunit bug
[04:23] <lifeless> woo
[04:23] <lifeless>  * 367 Time Outs
[04:24] <wgrant> Er?
[04:25] <wgrant> Oh, I read the wrong one this morning :(
[04:25] <wgrant> I saw 1225 and was pretty disappointed.
[04:26] <wgrant> We had less than 2000 hard OOPSes/timeouts. Not bad.
[04:27] <wgrant> And about 400 exceptions are fixed by stuff in the deploy queue.
[04:27] <lifeless> we're getting there
[05:06] <StevenK> lifeless: Are you happy with the teams progress?
[05:49] <lifeless> StevenK: I think we're making fantastic progress on maintenance
[05:50] <lifeless> StevenK: recipes are looking awesome, but I think the transition off them has been a little fuzzy
[05:50] <lifeless> StevenK: message shared/bug subscriptions seem to be coming along well
[05:50] <lifeless> StevenK: and derived distros has only had one week now, so no opinion
[06:23] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #45: FAILURE in 1 hr 10 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/45/
[06:43] <StevenK> lifeless: the transition off recipes has been fuzzy? What do you mean?
[06:44]  * StevenK wonders if he can fetch an SPR by ID using the API
[06:45] <wgrant> StevenK: SPRs aren't exposed, so no.
[06:45] <StevenK> :-(
[06:45] <wgrant> You're wanting to check the changelogs?
[06:45] <StevenK> Just one or two, yes
[06:46] <wgrant> I ran it for a while on DF and it seemed sane there.
[06:46] <wgrant> so I've already qa-ok'd it.
[06:48] <StevenK> So on qastaging it looks to be doing around 500 in 15 minutes.
[06:49] <StevenK> And we have what, 600,000 that are unset?
[06:49] <wgrant> I don't recall the number, but that seems plausible.
[06:49] <StevenK> Which means 1200 runs to finish
[06:50] <wgrant> On overloaded asuka.
[06:50] <StevenK> Yes, we should silence garbo-hourly on Tuesday
[06:50] <StevenK> I was thinking when it starts running on production.
[06:51] <StevenK> 1200/23 is 52, so, almost 2 months?
[06:51] <StevenK> Am I doing that right?
[06:51] <wgrant> Yes.
[06:51] <wgrant> But !asuka should be faster.
[06:51] <wgrant> At least a bit.
[06:52] <wgrant> But we're still only running at 25% of what I had initially planned, so it's going to take a while.
[06:52] <StevenK> I don't restrict the archive?
[06:52] <wgrant> It is only running for 15 minutes out of every 60.
[06:52] <StevenK> Ah well.
[06:53] <StevenK> And garbo-hourly loses an hour to garbo-nightly doesn't?
[06:53] <StevenK> Er, doesn't it
[06:53] <wgrant> I'm not sure.
[06:53] <StevenK> LFA is exposed, isn't it?
[06:53] <wgrant> No.
[06:53] <wgrant> Some files are exposed, but not LFA itself.
[06:54] <wgrant> Why?
[06:54] <StevenK> Can I trivially go from LFA ID to URL?
[06:54] <wgrant> If you know the filename.
[06:54] <StevenK> They're all "changelog"
[06:54] <wgrant> http://staging.launchpadlibrarian.net/$ID/changelog
[06:55] <wgrant> Er, qastaging, but yeah.
[06:55] <StevenK> lifeless: When you care, "SELECT id, changelog from SourcePackageRelease WHERE id IN (63623, 63624, 63625);" on qastaging
[06:56] <wgrant> StevenK: You could also guess.
[06:56] <wgrant> Add an attachment to get an idea of where the IDs are, then search around there.
[06:56] <StevenK> That doesn't sound nearly as much fun as bugging lifeless.
[06:57] <wgrant> It is more fun when it leads to security holes :)
[06:57]  * StevenK ponders when to start on the Poulet Sauté Au Vinaigre
[06:58] <StevenK> It sounds better in French
[06:58] <StevenK> "Chicken in Vinegar" doesn't sound very appealing.
[06:59] <StevenK> wgrant: Current plan is to average six runs on production and work out length from there.
[07:01] <wgrant> StevenK: You might also consider a graph.
[07:01] <wgrant> I believe they're pretty easy to add.
[07:01] <lifeless> StevenK:   id   | changelog
[07:01] <lifeless> -------+-----------
[07:01] <lifeless>  63623 |  64295224
[07:01] <lifeless>  63624 |  64295225
[07:01] <lifeless>  63625 |  64295226
[07:03] <lifeless> StevenK: lfa isn't exposed because lfa is just a join
[07:03] <lifeless> files don't have standalone existence, you need a containing object
[07:03] <lifeless> like spr, bug, etc
[07:03] <lifeless> it would be like exposing message
[07:05] <wgrant> lifeless: Uh...
[07:05] <wgrant> https://api.launchpad.net/+apidoc/devel.html#message
[07:05] <lifeless> wgrant: bug
[07:08] <StevenK> Right, those 3 look good
[07:09] <StevenK> lifeless: And thank you
[07:09] <lifeless> de nada
[07:13] <lifeless> StevenK: do my answers on team progress vs happiness make sense?
[07:15] <StevenK> [17:43] < StevenK> lifeless: the transition off recipes has been fuzzy? What do you mean?
[07:29] <lifeless> its dragging on
[07:29] <lifeless> at bit
[07:29] <lifeless> s/at/a/
[07:38] <StevenK> lifeless: I think that might be a little unfair, since it is the first transition since the move to squads.
[07:39] <wgrant> I think it's inevitable.
[07:39] <wgrant> For a feature like that.
[07:39] <StevenK> I think transitions need to handled with an iron fist -- finish off anything you have in progress, then pick up criticals
[07:40] <wgrant> That requires completion to be declared at a reasonable point.
[07:40] <wgrant> And that's difficult.
[07:40] <wgrant> I think recipes can be considered delivered, but not done.
[07:54] <lifeless> StevenK: I didn't say anyone had done anything wrong
[07:54] <lifeless> StevenK: I think its reasonable to assess how we do dispassionately-  haven't dug into causes yet
[10:09] <jml> as far as I'm concerned, recipes aren't delivered as long as they have the beta flag up
[10:13] <wgrant> Well, that's a matter of LOSA.
[10:23] <StevenK> jml: Isn't that waiting for you to review it again?
[10:37] <LPCIBot> Project windmill build #46: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 9 min: https://hudson.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill/46/
[19:07] <m4n1sh> so in Launchpad API's bug representation "owner_link" is used for "Reported by"
[19:08] <m4n1sh> or is it represented by some other field. Cant find it
[19:25] <lifeless> owner_link, yes


[08:56] <snadge> can someone give a brother a hand with this ctrl-alt-t shortcut problem with current metacity?
[08:57] <snadge> i really dont want to have to reinstall raring ;)
[10:02] <UnHolyTerror> What is CTRL-ALT-T?
[10:06] <snadge> open terminal
[10:06] <snadge> seems to be working ok in unity
[10:07] <snadge> but it stopped working for gnome fallback (metacity) a week or two ago
[10:07] <snadge> i guess being able to track down the specific update that broke it would be a start
[10:20] <snadge> bingo.. its a kernel issue
[10:20] <snadge> https://lists.launchpad.net/kernel-packages/msg10816.html
[12:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:41] <genii> After latest update an hour ago, getting crashes from pinentry-qt4
[13:45] <genii> Unfortunately, additionally, "The problem cannot be reported: The problem happened with /usr/share/apport/apport-kde which changed since the crash occurred"
[13:49] <yofel> genii: hm, does removing ibus-qt4 help?
[13:52] <genii> yofel: Let me try and a restart, I'll report back shortly
[13:59] <genii> yofel: Well, no crash alerts this time at least.
[13:59] <yofel> possibly bug 1217110 then - though that shouldn't have only started now then...
[14:02] <genii> yofel: I do updates twice a day... in the morning when lightdm is up I go to console and run them with &&shutdown -r now , at night I logout to lightdm again and run them with && shutdown -h now
[14:02] <genii> yofel: I was getting some other crash last few days but not associated with any package
[15:23] <k1l> since some days zeitgeist-fts is eating all ram after a dash-search
[15:23] <k1l> needs to be killed everytime.
[21:35] <ice9> Is Ubuntu 13.10 beta 1 still very buggy?
[21:36] <FernandoMiguel> nope
[21:36] <k1l> depends on your setup and usecase. when you dont activate -proposed (which is for automatic testing only) it should be quite good
[21:40] <ice9> will the amd64 desktop iso work on Mac?
[21:54] <ice9> ?


[10:50] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfconf 4.19.1 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:50] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfconf 4.18.2 released<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:24] <Eickmeyer> Dang, great job! https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/10/xubuntu-23-10-features-improvements
[17:27] <bluesabre> Love to see it!
[21:47] <krytarik> Looking at the screenshots in that post, btw do we like the action buttons in the updated Whisker Menu to be at the top now as is the default?  Personally, after seeing this changed I opted to revert them to bottom for now..


[04:20] <hikiko> hi
[05:56] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, hi, https://paste.debian.net/plain/788134
[07:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Good morning, Sebastien! Any chance you have time to revisit bug #1607937? Patch attached, and I verified that it fixes the issue.
[07:12] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, hey desktopers
[07:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, I can have a look today if no other patch pilot beats me to it
[07:36] <desrt> hello world
[07:48] <jcjordyn120> go join #thelinuxgeekcommunity
[07:49] <Trevinho> Morning...
[07:53] <duflu> Morning Trevinho.
[07:53] <duflu> I think we just got spammed on IRC
[07:53] <duflu> That's new
[07:54] <TheMuso> I've seen that kind of thing on and off.
[07:55] <TheMuso> I think its generally ignored.
[07:56] <duflu> TheMuso: Happy Census week ;)
[07:56] <duflu>  /month
[07:59] <TheMuso> duflu: You too, and yes I agree, census month.
[07:59] <TheMuso> I actually got it filled out but couldn't submit it.
[08:00] <duflu> Hurray
[08:00] <RAOF> I think the census site is actually available now, two days after census day.
[08:04] <Laney> BACK ONLINE
[08:06] <duflu> RAOF: Yes. Now everybody please stay on your side of the boat or else it will topple
[08:06] <duflu> RAOF: Uh, no. It's gone again
[08:26] <seb128> hey Trevinho duflu TheMuso RAOF Laney desrt
[08:26] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:30] <Laney> what's upé
[08:34] <Laney> looks like autumn is here
[08:34] <seb128> ~ubuntu-desktop-members+=1
[08:34] <seb128> same here, cold rainy day :-/
[08:34] <seb128> yesterday was nice though, perfect evening for tennis ;-)
[08:35] <Trevinho> hey seb128
[08:35] <Trevinho> and Laney
[08:35] <Trevinho> and duflu which I forgot to greet before :)
[08:35] <seb128> Trevinho, how are you? having power today? ;-)
[08:35] <Trevinho> seb128: full power
[08:36] <Laney> luxury
[08:36] <Trevinho> yesterday it was back after lunch... All my batteries were enough
[08:36] <Laney> bring back berlusconi
[08:36] <Laney> there was always power under him
[08:36]  * Trevinho turned on all the lights just because... he can
[08:36] <seb128> lol
[08:36] <Trevinho> yeah... and trains were always in time.
[08:36] <seb128> good old times
[08:37] <seb128> but mind that when italians say "on time" they mean "don't make you wait more than 15 minutes"
[08:37] <Trevinho> not true... :-), our hight speed trains are really the most on time of the europe...
[08:38] <seb128> jaja
[08:38] <Trevinho> Then you think to regional trains and..... ok, No one around :-D
[08:38] <seb128> :-)
[08:38] <Trevinho> I'm indeed a regional train :-D
[08:38] <seb128> we noticed!
[08:38]  * seb128 hugs Trevinho
[08:38] <Trevinho> BUt... Really a nice one, isn't it!? :-D
[08:38]  * Trevinho seeking for hugs
[08:39] <Laney> definitely the first class
[08:39] <Laney> man
[08:39] <Laney> this armhf on arm64 inside lxd stuff is flaaaaaaaaaky
[08:39] <Trevinho> ahah :D
[08:39]  * Laney is bisecting ffmpeg inside there
[08:39] <Laney> fun
[08:39] <seb128> still wrestling with ffmpeg?
[08:40] <Laney> getting there
[08:40] <Laney> maybe
[08:40] <Laney> ...
[08:40] <seb128> go Laney go!
[08:40]  * seb128 enables xenial-proposed to get the new goodness from andyrock and Trevinho
[08:41] <andyrock> morning and yay for seb128
[08:41] <Trevinho> and... getting some breakage? :)
[08:41] <seb128> hey andyrock!
[08:41] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, looking forward that, wouldn't be fun without a bit of those ;-)
[08:41] <Trevinho> seb128: going to verify bugs too?
[08:41] <seb128> yes
[08:41] <Trevinho> good...
[08:42] <Trevinho> I'm a little afraid from the... seb128's maledition. That means: every single race condition, is just a crash for him.
[08:43] <seb128> it's good to be good
[08:43] <seb128> I'm told that version is going to stop warning me that my keypad is working!
[08:44] <seb128> how dare you input numbers on a keypad without warning the user?! ;-)
[08:44] <Laney> now just get the systemd service in for yakkety and you'll make me happy
[08:44] <Laney> :)
[08:45] <seb128> Laney, btw what's the deal with gstreamer, should we go for 1.9?
[08:45] <Laney> didn't think about it
[08:45] <Laney> I'm struggling for time a bit
[08:45] <seb128> I noticed because it's in experimental/red on version
[08:45] <seb128> I can have a look if you want
[08:45] <Laney> and nothing required it yet as far as I could tell
[08:45] <Laney> sure
[08:45] <Laney> you get to use the git branches
[08:46] <seb128> we are also behind on glib and need that test fix from d_esrt
[08:46] <Laney> i know
[08:46] <seb128> oh, urg
[08:46] <Laney> next week
[08:46] <seb128> yeah, no hurry, might make sense to make the new tarball that includes the fix
[08:46] <seb128> well in fact we are in sync so I guess we could already sync the update that debian did in experimental if we wanted
[08:47] <Laney> for glib?
[08:47] <seb128> yes
[08:47] <seb128> pochu did updates there
[08:47] <Laney> correct
[08:47] <Laney> I didn't test them yet
[08:48] <Laney> and it won't have the test fix
[08:48] <seb128> no hurry
[08:48] <seb128> let's wait for next week and bring the test fix in
[08:51] <willcooke> seb128, @ gstreamer.  jhodapp is doing some work getting mediahub ready for desktop.  He might be able to offer some advice and support here, he knows it quite well.
[08:51] <seb128> willcooke, hey, thanks for the suggestion
[08:51] <seb128> I think as a rule it's good to follow the current version, they are more likely to have improvements that benefit us
[08:51] <willcooke> +1
[08:52] <willcooke> maybe they fixed vaapi integration
[08:52] <willcooke> lulz
[08:52] <seb128> Laney, is there a page explaining that git workflow? it's on alioth?
[08:52] <seb128> haha
[08:52] <seb128> the day that happens willcooke is going to feel lost
[08:52] <seb128> "what's next?!"
[08:52] <willcooke> I have a list of things ready to moan about.
[08:52] <seb128> :-)
[08:53]  * willcooke is amazed at the speed the cards are moving around the Trello board
[08:53] <Laney> don't know about a page, sorry
[08:53] <Laney> it's just git-buildpackage
[08:53] <seb128> but can I push? or how do I MR or PR on alioth?
[08:53] <Laney> they are on launchpad
[08:53] <seb128> oh, ok
[08:53] <seb128> that I can probably manage
[08:53] <Laney> you add the debian branches as a remote, then merge the tags
[08:54] <seb128> I though you had branches on pkg-gstreamer
[08:54] <Laney> look in `man dpkg-mergechangelogs' and do the git integration it says in there
[08:54] <Laney> that will make your life better
[08:54] <Laney> also if you want me to review the first one, let me know ;-)
[08:57] <duflu> In other news... seb128 if you could backport that Wayland/Mir fix for nautilus it would be awesome
[09:17] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, good job, that unity SRU seems to work as described without regression ;-)
[09:38] <Trevinho> seb128: indeed, all the changes are in between statements: if (glib::gchar_to_string(g_get_user_name()) != "seb128") != { ... } :-D
[09:39] <seb128> :-)
[09:49] <Laney> roughly 0 steps left
[09:50] <Laney> ♥ git
[10:17]  * Laney is being spammed by italians on launchpad
[10:17]  * Laney got subscribed to unity bugs
[10:18] <Trevinho> you'll love it :-)
[10:19] <Laney> giving me a warm fuzzy feeling inside
[10:19] <Laney> seeing such top quality work
[10:19] <Laney> 😘😘😘😘😘
[10:34] <Laney> cyphermox: right, this unity-settings-daemon thing
[10:34] <Laney> what's the best way to test it?
[11:37] <Laney> oh look, unity went in
[12:10] <cyphermox> Laney: the right way to test it is to make sure the scaling works, but it requires some HiDPI hardware
[12:10] <jbicha> good morning
[12:11] <cyphermox> otherwise you can start ubiquity and make sure the desktop background still shows up in the "Install" session (Try doesn't use ubiquity-dm), and perhaps with sufficient logging you can see that things happen the way you expected them to
[12:12] <cyphermox> Laney: if you add "debug-ubiquity" to the command-line (hit F6) you can put ubiquity in debug mode, then the logs will be in /var/log/installer/debug
[12:20] <seb128> hey cyphermox jbicha
[12:31] <seb128> jbicha, you merged e-d-s/evo but you don't plan to upload yet right?
[12:32] <jbicha> seb128: right, but is tonight ok? or the weekend?
[12:33] <seb128> well unsure, I though we wanted to clear some of the transitions before
[12:33] <seb128> check with Laney I would say, he has a better overview of the proposed state
[12:33] <ochosi> hey folks!
[12:33] <seb128> but next week is still fine, no feature freeze yet
[12:33] <seb128> hey ochosi! how are you?
[12:33] <ochosi> quick question, has anything changed wrt compiz's window decorator in 16.10? people are reporting my theme suddenly has square corners (instead of rounded ones)
[12:34] <jhodapp> hey willcooke, seb128
[12:34] <ochosi> seb128: good good :) trying to get a release of my theme out
[12:34] <seb128> hey jhodapp!
[12:34] <seb128> ochosi, that's one for Trevinho
[12:34] <jhodapp> hey hey :)
[12:34] <ochosi> ok thanks, i'll ping him with it directly :)
[12:34] <seb128> could be a gtk 3.20 side effect?
[12:34] <ochosi> Trevinho: hey! quick question, has anything changed wrt compiz's window decorator in 16.10? people are reporting my theme suddenly has square corners (instead of rounded ones)
[12:35] <ochosi> i dunno, i didn't think that normal window decos had anything to do with gtk
[12:35] <jhodapp> seb128, we are upgrading the phone gstreamer to 1.8.x right now...it's in silo 58 in fact
[12:35] <ochosi> those are drawn by compiz or metacity, right?
[12:35] <seb128> jhodapp, nice, any opinion on 1.9 for yakkety?
[12:35] <seb128> ochosi, right, I though you were speaking headerbar/csd
[12:35] <seb128> but let's wait for Marco
[12:36] <jhodapp> seb128, I haven't looked at the changelog yet, but why go with a dev version? Is there something compelling in there?
[12:36] <ochosi> no, curiously it only seems to affect "normal" ssd windows
[12:36] <seb128> jhodapp, well it's dev cycle, we would get 1.10 before release so get that stable version
[12:38] <jhodapp> seb128, it'd be nice for the desktop and the phone to be in sync for a little bit ;)
[12:38] <seb128> the phone needs to catch up! :p
[12:39] <jhodapp> seb128, hehe
[12:40] <jhodapp> willcooke, btw, yesterday I got media-hub, music-app, unity8 music-scope and indicator-sound in unity8 all working together on the desktop :)
[12:40] <seb128> jhodapp, nice ;-)
[12:44] <willcooke> seb128, nice!!
[12:44] <seb128> jhodapp, ^
[12:44] <seb128> :-)
[12:45] <willcooke> oh
[12:45] <willcooke> oops
[12:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey
[12:45] <seb128> tkamppeter, the recent cups changes in debian removed the ubuntu patches and made it fail to build on ubuntu, could you have a look?
[12:45] <jhodapp> video isn't playing, but we agreed that's ok for a first go at it
[12:46] <jhodapp> we'll have to finalize our hardware acceleration approach for video playback on the desktop
[12:46] <seb128> get vaapi to work and willcooke is going to buy you lot of beer rounds ;-)
[12:46] <willcooke> \o/
[12:47] <jhodapp> haha
[12:47] <jhodapp> isn't he going to buy me lots of beer anyway? ;)
[12:47] <willcooke> of course
[12:47] <willcooke> :D
[12:55] <Trevinho> ochosi: gtk has changed, you need to update your .css to make selectors to work
[12:56] <Trevinho> ochosi: something like https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu-themes/gtk320.unity/+merge/298072 should work
[13:03] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: thx, patched.
[13:03] <jbicha> seb128: I'm thinking about evolution 3.22 for yakkety because it ports to webkit2
[13:03] <jbicha> while https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-data-server/commit/?id=6c3cff9 isn't bad,
[13:04] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=332789f is an awfully big commit to backport
[13:06] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark1, how are you?
[13:06] <seb128> jbicha, I didn't look at the details of the 2.20->22 change but it looks like yakkety should have new enough libs for it and it's not too crazy, so why not
[13:07] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: heya.
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: merging some more packaging tweaks for 5.2 dpkg, which should be good then.
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: the theming stuff is still annoying though ...
[13:08] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, great, aiming for a friday upload? ;-)
[13:08] <seb128> I can imagine :-/
[13:08] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: yeah, should work.
[13:09] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, yw, did you manage to successfully build 5.2.0 against current yakkety-proposed?
[13:10] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: needed to cherry-pick a change from debian: -draw needs some stuff we used to have in -impress, thus running draw without having impress installed created nasty crashers ...
[13:10] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: yes, did so twice this week on multiple archs. why?
[13:13] <ricotz> Sweet5hark1, <IP_ADDRESS> build freezes at "[build CUT] sd_export_tests" on yakkety
[13:13] <ricotz> see the prerelease ppa
[13:13] <Sweet5hark1> ricotz: meh.
[13:14] <ricotz> orcus and xixion isnt using boost1.61 yet afaics
[13:14] <ricotz> so I am curious if 5.2.0 magically succeeds on the yakkety archive builders
[13:15] <ricotz> *libixion
[13:20] <jibel> cyphermox, can you look at bug 1611010 ?
[13:27] <hikiko> i forgot to change my nickname :p
[13:35] <seb128> hey hikiko
[13:36] <Sweet5hark1> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/7/7e/TDFAnnualReport2015LR.pdf <- still no news on my helicopter in there.
[13:36] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[13:36] <hikiko> I was there...
[13:36] <hikiko> just forgot the nick since lunch break 5 hrs ago :p
[13:37] <hikiko> \m/
[13:37] <Sweet5hark1> despite TDF spending 518.000 EUR in 2015: no helicopter.
[13:38] <qengho> hikiko: Five hour lunch? What, are you French?
[13:39] <seb128> qengho, not friday yet!
[13:40] <hikiko> hahaha
[13:41] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, do you possibly have time to revisit bug #1607937? Patched 3.16 with that commit.
[13:41] <seb128> GunnarHj, sure, thanks for working on that!
[13:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great, thanks!
[13:42] <seb128> yw!
[13:45] <cyphermox> jibel: ack
[13:49] <Laney> cyphermox: don't need hidpi to test the signal stuff?
[13:49] <Laney> I do have hardware, but it's my laptop and I would prefer not to use it directly :-)
[13:49] <cyphermox> Laney: well, you can approximate it doing the right thing if xsettings really does show up and then the desktop background, etc.
[13:49] <Laney> right
[13:50] <Laney> now how to get ubiquity onto it early enough
[13:50] <Laney> cyphermox: how do I get VTs when in ubiquity-dm?
[13:51] <Laney> or would a systemd debug shell work?
[13:51] <cyphermox> you don't
[13:51] <cyphermox> add break=bottom that will get you in the system before ubiquity starts
[13:52] <Laney> it would be easier to be able to iterate by restarting lightdm
[13:56]  * Laney has started the debug shell
[14:10] <ricotz> Laney, hey :), I see you are fighting with ffmpeg, please don't ignore that 3.1.2-1 is available
[14:11] <Laney> One thing at a time
[14:13] <ricotz> ok
[14:14] <Laney> ricotz: Also it doesn't contain that commit
[14:19] <ricotz> Laney, I mean no need to waste time on this old release, but alright
[14:19] <seb128> the new one might be buggy in other exciting ways ;-)
[14:20] <Laney> ok, thanks - I saw it yesterday but it doesn't have the fix, so it was less risky to just find the commit and take that than try to merge at the same time
[14:20] <Laney> feel free to re-merge after it goes in
[14:22] <ricotz> seb128, yeah, sure
[14:23] <ricotz> this is just my opinions by looking at the upstream release dates
[14:23] <seb128> right, it's a fine balance between newest and stable
[15:30] <jbicha> anyone want to try to get the gspell tests to pass on autopkgtest.u.c? bug 1610588
[15:31] <seb128> jbicha, that gspell MIR, is the issue that builder don't have a session bus? didyou try with dbus-run-session
[15:31] <seb128> lol
[15:31] <seb128> I was just typing about that
[15:31] <seb128> look a gnome-keyring or policykit
[15:31] <seb128> jbicha, e.g http://sources.debian.net/src/gcr/3.20.0-2/debian/rules/?hl=25#L25
[15:48] <seppestas> Hi, are there any plans to fully support the Freedesktop StatusNotifierItem specification (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/) on Ubuntu?
[15:49] <seppestas> I would like to do it, but it kind of contradicts the Ubuntu Design guides regarding status menu's (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines)
[15:50] <seb128> seppestas, hey, there is no plan to change from the current ubuntu design no
[15:52] <qengho> seppestas: Is this an x/y question? You're asking about StatusNotifierItem, but that is a facility for doing something. What is it you want to do?
[15:52] <seb128> going for some exercice, bbl
[15:52] <seppestas> seb128: But what about the design guidelines? I.e, would code that allows applications to draw stuff when the status menu icon is pressed be submitted in the Unity panel / libappindicator?
[15:55] <seppestas> 'cause in the current state Ubuntu is inconsistent with other operating systems for the sake of consistency
[15:55] <seppestas> (and by Ubuntu I mean Ubuntu Unity)
[16:06] <seppestas> So specifically: If I put code in the Unity service panel so that it sends an Activate method (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/StatusNotifierItem/StatusNotifierItem/#activate) when an menu status is clicked and if I put code in libappindicator so that applications can use those events, for things that might not comply with the Ubuntu Status Menu design guidelines, would pull request ever be accepted?
[16:07] <seppestas> s/request/requests
[16:11] <ximion> Laney willcooke: Ever wondered why GNOME Software shows nothing but apps? (not even addons)
[16:11] <ximion> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/2c479053850958575c8de50fbee4433ec05019d3
[16:11] <willcooke> ximion, ahh.  I thought it was a design decision
[16:11] <willcooke> interesting
[16:12] <ximion> willcooke: for apps, yes - but this means that also fonts, addons, input-methods, etc. won't be shown
[16:12] <willcooke> ahh, kk
[16:13] <ximion> willcooke: I wonder if this warrants a fix in Xenial... Afterall, addons should really be shown (e.g. for gedit)
[16:13] <ximion> for this to work, this patch needs to be taken too https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/2c479053850958575c8de50fbee4433ec05019d3
[16:13] <willcooke> ximion, I'm +1 - will speak to Robert
[16:14] <ximion> this is really insane...
[16:14]  * ximion should have investigated why addons don't show up way earlier
[16:15] <Laney> you linked the same commit twice
[16:17] <ximion> copy-pasting is hard....
[16:17] <ximion> https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/commit/ea8b160c8f05ae018dcf54181204cc5740c2aa1c
[16:19] <ximion> Laney: I also got an email from vlc people yesterday, wondering why their app isn't showing up in Ubuntu
[16:19] <ximion> might be the good old Contents-file-not-up2date issue
[16:20] <ximion> jbicha said it would also not show up on Debian, but I couldn't reproduce this here
[16:21] <jbicha> ximion: it does show up in Debian with 'appstreamcli search vlc' but not in the Software app
[16:23] <ximion> jbicha: does appstream-util search vlc give any results?
[16:23] <Trevinho> EOD here... See you tomorrow.
[16:24] <Laney> don't ask me
[16:24] <Laney> the icon was always in vlc-data
[16:25] <ximion> jbicha: or rather: can you run killall gnome-software; gnome-software --verbose and paste the full outout somewhere?
[16:25] <jbicha> bash: appstream-util: command not found
[16:25] <ximion> the Debian data itself is fine: https://appstream.debian.org/data/stretch/main/
[16:25] <ximion> (also the icon is there)
[16:27] <Laney> I'll re-run for vlc, just in case
[16:27] <ximion> for the Ubuntu data, I have no idea what happened there - the dep11gen algorithm should have found the right icon
[16:27] <Laney> One day I'll get time to work on asgen
[16:27] <jbicha> ximion: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/406303/
[16:27] <Laney> re-running is stupid, it relies on people noticing
[16:27] <Laney> need to switch
[16:28] <ximion> jbicha: also looks like an appstream-glib bug
[16:30] <Laney> cyphermox: getting there
[16:30] <Laney> don't know if I will get all the way before EOD
[16:31] <ximion> jbicha: could actually also be an issue in GS icon-refine
[16:32] <cyphermox> ok
[16:33] <ximion> jbicha: I'll update GS and asglib in Debian, let's see if that changes anything
[16:40] <ximion> jbicha: can you also paste the output of appstreamcli status?
[16:41] <jbicha> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/406309/
[16:42] <ximion> okay, so the icon sets are there
[17:02] <Laney> cyphermox: got to go now, do you want my wip or shall I try to finish it fully on monday?
[17:05] <Laney> WTF
[17:06] <Laney> right, sorry, got to go - but I've fixed it apart from checking the name of the signal
[17:08] <Laney> happy weekend!
[17:26] <willcooke> night all
[17:28] <seb128> Laney, have a nice w.e!
[23:07] <liuxg> does anyone know what it means "while [ ! -f "$mysqld_pid_file_path" -o ! -S "$mysql_socket_file_path" ]; do ...." I do not fully understand the "-o ! -S" part, thanks
[23:07] <sarnold> -o means "or"
[23:07] <sarnold> ! means not
[23:07] <sarnold> -S probably means "file of type socket"
[23:08] <liuxg> sarnold, thanks for your explanation.


[03:24] <Juzzy> hehe
[17:09] <wrst> well lookie there, xTEMPLARx did return
[17:21] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[17:21] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[17:21] <wrst> good morning... well afternoon for you xTEMPLARx
[17:21] <xTEMPLARx> indeed, just barely!
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> prolly won't be talkin much for the next few, as I'm all over the place in the office
[17:22] <xTEMPLARx> so my apologies up front :D
[17:23] <wrst> ha ha
[17:28] <xTEMPLARx> is nobody adminning the team page these days?
[17:29] <wrst> I don't think so xTEMPLARx, did you just volunteer?
[17:30] <xTEMPLARx> i let my membership expire so now I'm not in.  but if nobody's adminning it (i.e., Zach), then me trying to join is for naught
[17:30] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[17:31] <xTEMPLARx> oh wells
[17:35] <Ubik> I think Zach went on a permanent vacation
[17:43] <xTEMPLARx> must be nice
[17:43] <xTEMPLARx> if I could afford one of those I would too
[17:43] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[18:31] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: no I can rejoin you
[18:31] <wrst> hmm that sounded weird
[18:31] <wrst> but xTEMPLARx ask to join I can approve
[18:49] <Monkey_Shines> =D
[18:50]  * Monkey_Shines pokes wrst
[18:51] <Monkey_Shines> iOS autocorrect and irc are not good matches
[18:51] <wrst> ha ha
[18:51] <Monkey_Shines> Spend more time correcting what I type
[18:51] <wrst> Monkey_Shines: what client are you using?
[18:52] <Monkey_Shines> limechat atm
[18:52] <Monkey_Shines> <----- xtemp
[18:52] <wrst> I am using iQuassel, not the best on iOS but at least keeps me connected to everythign
[18:52] <wrst> Monkey_Shines: I was pretty sure with that nick you had to be xTEMPLARx for some reason ;)
[18:52] <Monkey_Shines> Yeah I thought about grabbing that
[18:53] <Monkey_Shines> That's why I was asking if you were still using quassel
[18:53] <Monkey_Shines> This is my minecraft username
[18:54] <Monkey_Shines> Figured I wouldn't get in a fight with nickserv this way lol
[18:54] <Monkey_Shines> This client is actually pretty decent
[18:56] <Monkey_Shines> Is iquassel written by the quassel folks?
[19:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: it isn't and it isn't the best but works
[19:09] <wrst> no tab complete is the biggest problem
[19:09] <wrst> I would say it is better on ipad than iphone, quasseldroid is a better client I think for quassel
[19:10] <wrst> but how iOS handles background processes has a lot to do with it
[19:24] <xTEMPLARx> this is true
[19:24] <xTEMPLARx> or doesn't handle them, rather ;)
[19:24] <xTEMPLARx> in most cases
[19:24] <xTEMPLARx> at the same time, though, i don't want apps I forgot to fully close slammin' my battery life when they're not in use
[19:24] <xTEMPLARx> a quassel client should just connect when I have it up, and disconnect when I don't
[19:25] <xTEMPLARx> since quassel allows that with any client anyway
[19:25] <xTEMPLARx> allows that to work well*
[19:26] <wrst> yeah but it is a bit irritating
[19:26] <xTEMPLARx> how so?
[19:26] <wrst> I would prefer to have the option to kill my battery if I want
[19:26] <wrst> the whole reconnect process
[19:26] <xTEMPLARx> if it would just do it quickly without much interaction it wouldn't be AS painful
[19:26] <wrst> but it auto reconnects now with latest update, it is  improved
[19:27] <wrst> yes and it is much less painful than it was
[19:27] <xTEMPLARx> at least with quassel, once you're connected, you still have your channel history to scroll back thru
[19:27] <xTEMPLARx> whereas with a standard client, you have all the above problems but with none of the scrollback
[19:56] <xTEMPLARx> whee
[19:57] <xTEMPLARx> using quassel now
[19:58] <wrst> on ios?
[20:00] <xTEMPLARx> Now I am
[20:03] <xTEMPLARx> Installing a LENEL server atm and it's being uncooperative with awl express
[20:10] <xTEMPLARx> SQL express that is
[20:11] <xTEMPLARx> thank you iphone
[20:16] <wrst> ha ha


[01:12] <Guest24493> hi
[01:12] <Guest24493> can someone help me
[01:12] <Guest24493> am trying
[01:12] <Guest24493> to solce a problem
[01:16] <bazhang> ask
[21:51] <glitchd> is there a way to update only the kernel? im using xubuntu 16.04.3, and the latest kernel is 4.10 and my system is running kernel 4.4.0-96.
[22:02] <bazhang> glitchd, checked the mainline yet
[22:11] <glitchd> bazhang, huh?
[22:12] <bazhang> !mainline > glitchd
[22:15] <glitchd> i see the msg, but dont clearly understand it
[22:17] <bazhang>  The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel
[22:18] <bazhang> so you want a more recent kernel to test with
[22:18] <bazhang> correct or no
[22:19] <glitchd> i was thinking that i might be a good thing to update the kernel since it seems to be a few releases behind already, with it being 4.4.0-96 and the kernel release being somewhere around 4.10 already
[22:19] <glitchd> but if its not suggested, then ill just skip doing that.
[22:20] <bazhang> !info linux-image-generic aardvark
[22:21] <bazhang> !info linux-image-generic artful
[22:21] <bazhang> <IP_ADDRESS>.13
[22:21] <bazhang> thats from the soon to be released next version
[22:21] <bazhang> 17.10
[22:23] <glitchd> yea i have so many things setup on this install that i dont want to reinstall atm, so i probably wont be upgrading to 17.10.
[22:24] <glitchd> thats the one thing i dont like about ubuntu.
[22:24] <bazhang> just a fyi
[22:24] <glitchd> right on
[22:28] <glitchd> so would you say its a good idea to upgrade the kernel on this install, or not?
[22:29] <bazhang> you want stable or not
[22:29] <glitchd> i just want less system hangs tbh
[22:29] <glitchd> thought this would be a good/possible solution
[22:29] <bazhang> is there any evidence gambling on a more recent kernel is going to do that
[22:30] <glitchd> not that i can provide
[22:30] <bazhang> 'system hangs'
[22:30] <bazhang> doing what, when, how
[22:31] <glitchd> if i open a few applications the system slows to a crawl and stops responding for a period of time
[22:31] <bazhang> whats the ram, which apps
[22:32] <glitchd> 8gb ram, i think i have 4gb swap, and app id say it would be chromium with maybe 4-5 tabs open, a terminal, and a thunar browser.
[22:33] <bazhang> in top whats the biggest hog
[22:33] <glitchd> when i check the task manager itll show like 10-15% cpu usage and high memory usage with like 17% swap usage
[22:33] <glitchd> but the system is unresponsive
[22:34] <bazhang> yes, what about top
[22:34] <bazhang> which is eating the most
[22:34] <glitchd> ill have to check the next time its happening
[22:35] <bazhang> hsve you tried a much lighter de
[22:35] <glitchd> thought xfce was a pretty light dm, compared to unity or the like
[22:35] <bazhang> not so much
[22:36] <glitchd> not a fan of gnome, or unity, and im away that there are a good amount more
[22:36] <glitchd> i prefer to stay where im comfortable
[22:36] <bazhang> I have a 12 yr old thinkpad with just 2gb that runs gnome3 fine
[22:36] <glitchd> ive used xfce for a long while and am pretty familiar with it
[22:36] <glitchd> ive always had serious speed issues with gnome
[22:36] <glitchd> across several different laptops
[22:37] <glitchd> most of the laptop had 8 gb ram too
[22:37] <bazhang> well, this is purely for troubleshooting purposes
[22:37] <glitchd> ok?
[22:37] <bazhang> to eliminate eash possible cause, step by step
[22:37] <glitchd> ok?
[22:38] <bazhang> these are merely suggestions to your 'system hangs/speed issues'
[22:38] <glitchd> are you suggesting something, because you lost me..
[22:39] <bazhang> yes
[22:39] <bazhang> try a different DE
[22:39] <glitchd> youre suggesting gnome3?
[22:39] <bazhang> lighter
[22:39] <bazhang> lxde/opnbox
[22:39] <glitchd> never like the look of openbox tbh
[22:40] <glitchd> id like to try and stay in xfce if possible
[22:40] <glitchd> not sure if lxde can or will run xfce
[22:40] <glitchd> or if im even thinking about this the right way..
[22:40] <bazhang> they are both DE how could they
[22:40] <glitchd> like is said in my last response..
[22:41] <bazhang> no one is suggesting you completely abandon xfce4
[22:41] <bazhang> a simple login to the diferent DE
[22:41] <glitchd> ohhh...lol
[22:42] <bazhang> same machine, sfce still there
[22:42] <bazhang> xfce
[22:42] <glitchd> rightright
[22:42] <glitchd> ill have to give it a try i suppose
[22:43] <bazhang> clearly there are serious issues if you hvae 8gb and xfce runs slow and hangs
[22:43] <glitchd> thats what i was thinking
[22:44] <bazhang> I am suggesting the most basic of troubleshooting tips, yet you seem hesitant to even try the very first
[22:45] <bazhang> I wont push it any further
[22:45] <glitchd> i misunderstood your suggestion, thought you were referring to a full reintsall
[22:45] <bazhang> a single command, install it, lougout and in again
[22:45] <glitchd> but im open to trying other de's i suppose
[22:46] <glitchd> i can see any harm in it
[22:46] <bazhang> I never mentioned anything at all about any sort of install/reinstall whatsoever
[22:47] <glitchd> like i said then, it was a misunderstanding on my part
[22:47] <bazhang> you were asking about the very big gamble on choosing random higher kernels to fix that
[22:47] <glitchd> not really a random kernel..
[22:47] <bazhang> sure it is
[22:47] <glitchd> thought it was the next kernel release..
[22:47] <bazhang> the ones on LTS are there for stability
[22:48] <glitchd> geeze i didnt think of it like that
[22:48] <bazhang> what kind of PPA and outside repos do you have on there
[22:48] <glitchd> so if i was to update the kernel, it would be best to upgrade it to the next lts kernel then. instead of a ".10" kernel.
[22:49] <glitchd> not sure
[22:49] <bazhang> next LTS is 18.04
[22:49] <bazhang> thats a long ways away
[22:49] <glitchd> for me next lts would be 17.04
[22:49] <glitchd> im on 16.04
[22:49] <bazhang> no
[22:49] <bazhang> 17.04 is not LTS
[22:50] <bazhang> thats a nine month only support cycle
[22:50] <glitchd> thought all ".04's" were lts?
[22:50] <bazhang> nopers
[22:50] <glitchd> well dam.
[22:50] <glitchd> so only some .04 releases are lts?
[22:51] <bazhang> 12/14/16/18
[22:51] <bazhang> see a pattern?
[22:51] <glitchd> yes, yes i do.
[22:51] <glitchd> noted.
[22:52] <glitchd> only even numbered releases are lts then
[22:52] <bazhang> what outside repos do you have on that
[22:54] <glitchd> http://i.imgur.com/fO3tNHk.png
[22:54] <bazhang> some PPA or no
[22:55] <glitchd> i think so, is there a way to tell specifically?
[23:01] <glitchd> welp, ive got some things to go do, but ill probably be back later to hash this out some more, thx bud. adios!
[23:02] <bazhang> npx


[10:13] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1503 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move to 3.0.0-8 kernels.
[10:46] <CIA-37> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1504 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20101020ubuntu51
[13:05] <cjwatson> ooh, WPA support in netcfg upstream
[13:05]  * cjwatson may have to merge that one
[13:39] <berdario> hello
[13:40] <berdario> I'm here for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/774089?comments=all
[13:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 774089 in grub2 "Booting fails 3 times, works every fourth time after new install of Natty Narwhal amd64 on Macbook Pro" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:41] <berdario> I already wrote quite a bit to explain the situation in #ubuntu-devel
[13:42] <berdario> for those who aren't there, and to avoid wasting time to write the same thing, I pasted here the content: http://pastebin.com/vcb626Yd
[14:18] <cjwatson> the problem is that libdebian-installer is detecting EFI systems wrongly; it shouldn't be used on Macbooks
[14:18] <cjwatson> I understand the problem but have not yet had time to fix it
[14:19] <cjwatson> in your pastebin you're ascribing a little bit too much intent to something that's actually emerging from a bug
[15:10] <bdmurray> Is the right place to make changes to ubiquity text in debian/ubiquity.templates?
[15:28] <cjwatson> normally yes.  it's good to keep the glade etc. files in sync if possible too.
[15:29] <bdmurray> cjwatson: got it thanks
[17:27] <berdario> cjwatson: ok, thanks :) I was thinking that maybe it was some configuration problem for efibootmgr... elilo is the default option, but it could be used with grub-efi, and then it may be able to work with that (maybe... I'd have to test)
[18:16] <cjwatson> berdario: ah, no, none of efibootmgr, elilo, nor grub-efi should be used in the default configuration with Intel Macs at the moment; the intent is to install grub-pc and operate in legacy BIOS mode, it's just not working out that way right now
[18:38] <CIA-37> netcfg: cjwatson * r1259 ubuntu/ (92 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 1.67
[21:46] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubiquity/bug-reporting-method/+merge/70793


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[00:29] <ubptgbot> juhydurae was added by: juhydurae
 Just updated my old nexus 5 from oat 8 to 10
 Worked flawlessly
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[03:08] <ubptgbot> SAI KRISHNA was added by: SAI KRISHNA
 How to block spam sms number?
[03:21] <ubptgbot> Bethanie theophiel was added by: Bethanie theophiel
 @Kiet [How to block spam sms number?], Unfortunately there is no blocking method except for a third party one that I have not tested - but if you want to try this for yourself it is at  https://f-call-dev.blogspot.com/
 @Kiet [How to block spam sms number?], whoops - I take that back - reading further turns out the software I posted links to will NOT block SMS
[04:04] <ubptgbot> Robert McGee was added by: Robert McGee
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 This is the third time Ive seen this post popup in here
 @chzbacon [Just updated my old nexus 5 from oat 8 to 10], why so late in the party? 😝
[09:37] <ubptgbot> mp2692 was added by: mp2692
 @pjk2012 [I've got some bugs on my Nexus 5 too. Core devices that were stable under Canoni …], Hi im a bloddy Nexus 5 user but if never had all those bug on my phone. Only in sometimes there were App that don't work. Unav is one of them if the fps signal is bad.
[10:54] <ubptgbot> Charlie Lewis was added by: Charlie Lewis
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 I have a question? OS "Ubuntu touch" can support " LG nexus 5X ?
 @xuanhung19869 [I have a question? OS "Ubuntu touch" can support " LG nexus 5X ?], No, sorry.
 @Flohack [No, sorry.], Ok, thanks admin
 I'm going through and making final confirmations for OTA-11's merge freeze today. With luck, Wednesday is the first RC, next Wednesday is the second RC, and release is the week of the 23rd. … Without luck, it's not 😅
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'm going through and making final confirmations for OTA-11's merge freeze today …], Can you check on any device if you got those pushhelper log zombies still? and how old they are
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'm going through and making final confirmations for OTA-11's merge freeze today …], can we add https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-meta/pull/50 ?
[15:14] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 50 in ubuntu-touch-meta "Add qtcharts module." [Open]
 since new framework is there, we can have qtcharts be part of it too :)
 @Flohack [Can you check on any device if you got those pushhelper log zombies still? and h …], Not many. Oldest is October 5.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Not many. Oldest is October 5.], Ok then remove the logrotate issue from OTA-11. I will close it later
 It has a 3 day retention if I remember so thats correct
 @TobiasSchimpf [Hi im a bloddy Nexus 5 user but if never had all those bug on my phone. Only in …], Is WiFi Display working on yours?
 @dohbee [since new framework is there, we can have qtcharts be part of it too :)], Hmm, I wonder if I'd regret that
 @UniversalSuperBox [Hmm, I wonder if I'd regret that], I hope not
 Also there's a new framework in every update since 9 now, so it's not like that's special.
[15:51] <ubptgbot> <Tomáš A Soušek> @UniversalSuperBox Will UBports port also for Xiomi phones?
 @Tomáš A Soušek [@UniversalSuperBox Will UBports port also for Xiomi phones?], You can certainly give it a try, start with the information at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
[15:54] <ubptgbot> <Tomáš A Soušek> I found this on GitHub: https://github.com/ubports-santoni I tried to compile it and boot, almost everything works except USB MTP, audio and screen rotation.
 Great! If you can get in touch with the people working on that, you might be able to help them push it over the edge to supported.
[15:56] <ubptgbot> <Tomáš A Soušek> Ok I will try
 Is it exceptionally difficult to include qtcharts for your own apps @dohbee? If there are enough app developers trying to use it I don't have a problem with it being in the SDK, but for only an app or two...
 I requested it last year 😁 … I think charts/graphs are pretty common in apps so it'll be beneficial for many types of app
 I note this is one of the "new" modules that uses GPLv3 instead of LGPLv3.
 @Javacookies [I requested it last year 😁 … I think charts/graphs are pretty common in apps so i …], agreed...If I had known about this qtcharts thing, I wouldn't have bothered at handling a QChart.js for my app...less troubles probably
 yeah, I had to use the JS library which was outdated actually, 😅
 @UniversalSuperBox [Is it exceptionally difficult to include qtcharts for your own apps @dohbee? If …], including it the system should make it pass the "system library clause" and lots of people have been asking for it
 @UniversalSuperBox [I note this is one of the "new" modules that uses GPLv3 instead of LGPLv3.], i wouldn't worry about this too much really. devs need to pay attention to licensing of their dependencies, regardless
 Just making observations
 @dohbee, could you repeat that PR against https://gitlab.com/groups/ubports/core/seeds/-/merge_requests?
 huh, it was moved to gitlab already?
 Sorta
 Edge is built by the seeds, but it needs to be built and then the artifacts committed
[18:56] <ubptgbot> lalan_KE was added by: lalan_KE
 Has anyone made a tutorial on how to code, install and run a "Hello World" app for UT. I have some background with progamming in java, specifically using Android Studio, but *no* clue as to how or where to start developing for UT (besides webapps). A straightforward, well-written quickstart guide would be good. A start-to-finish youtube wal
[20:48] <ubptgbot> kthrough would be better.
 the documentation is on the website at https://docs.ubports.com
[20:50] <ubptgbot> <Tomáš A Soušek> Is here anyone who use Ubuntu Touch as daily driver?
 plenty of people do yes
 Cheers @dohbee Rodney. Don't know how I missed it :)
 @Tomáš A Soušek [Is here anyone who use Ubuntu Touch as daily driver?], Nobody does or what lol
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Tomáš A Soušek> @David [Has anyone made a tutorial on how to code, install and run a "Hello World" app f …], Just found this on Google: https://youtu.be/TE-s5522v0Y
 @Tomáš A Soušek [Just found this on Google: https://youtu.be/TE-s5522v0Y], Thanks Tomas. I'm going to blame DDG for my complete inability to find what I've been looking for ;)
 @Tomáš A Soušek [Is here anyone who use Ubuntu Touch as daily driver?], yes, daily driver a year straight now - on OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5.
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[11:49] <DJones> arunpyasi_: Is there something that the Ubuntu ops can help you with? If not, please leave the channel as we have a no idling policy in this channel
[12:02] <DJones> Ta, I'll pass it on to somebody with ops in the channel
[23:45] <genii> @comment 77058 The usual racist rantings


[09:11] <Pricey> Heyoo. Probably about time to remove me from the default ops trigger please?
[09:12] <bazhang> Pricey, hi!
[09:12] <Pricey> Howdy!
[09:13] <Pricey> Uuu, I still have megapowers here though.
[09:16] <Unit193> Pricey: Howdy!  That's out of every ops call?
[09:23] <Pricey> Unit193: I have a bit of random access for random channels, but most of it has been removed now.
[09:24] <Unit193> OK, I'll take that as a yes.  I'll do it "tomorrow" (Friday) if someone doesn't get to it first.
[09:25] <bazhang> Pricey, no staff emeritus nor ubuntu member cloak?
[09:25] <Pricey> bazhang: It wasn't offered.
[09:25] <bazhang> that's odd
[09:27] <Unit193> (You still qualify for the latter.)
[09:27] <Pricey> I do, have been dutifully clicking the link each year to keep my email address.
[09:28] <Unit193> Heh, and you're still in the cloaked group too. :P
[09:40] <ikonia> Pricey: really not fancy hanging around ?
[10:01] <Pricey> ikonia: I'm not going anywhere :)
[10:01] <Pricey> Little point me being on ops calls though.
[11:06] <ikonia> Pricey: you could still op though
[15:47] <dax> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-beginners-team =~ s/Pricey, //
[15:47] <dax> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-beginners-team =~ s/Pricechild, //
[15:47] <dax> now what
[15:48] <dax> oh, case
[15:48] <dax> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-beginners-team =~ s/PriceChild, //
[15:48] <dax> ubottu: ops-#kubuntu =~ s/PriceChild, //
[15:49] <dax> ubottu: ops-#ubuntu-offtopic =~ s/PriceChild, //
[15:49] <dax> ubottu: ops =~ s/PriceChild, //
[15:50] <dax> ubottu: ops-#kubuntu-offtopic =~ s/pricechild, //
[15:55] <Pricey> dax: Thanks muchly.
[15:55] <Pricey> ikonia: I didn't leave you guys on great terms.
[15:55] <ikonia> Pricey: is that not fixable ?
[15:57] <dax> Pricey: i didn't remove the ones that you still have +o in, do you want those dropped too?
[15:58] <Pricey> ikonia: I don't see what the benefit to Ubuntu would be if I just inserted myself back it with a position of authority? That's only going to be weird for the existing members.
[15:59] <Pricey> dax: Less bothered, but I figure the owners should probably be cleaning shop anyway ;-)
[15:59] <ikonia> Pricey: extra hands and people in the team to contribute, I didn't think it would be weird, but I'm not really aware of the reasons you left, wasn't trying to dig, just sorry to see someone step away
[16:00] <dax> Pricey: alrighty, will leave those factoids alone for now. Feel free to poke in here or in PM if you want them dropping in the future
[16:00] <Pricey> dax: Thanks.
[17:54] <Pricey> ikonia: You'd be better off with new blood ;-) But thanks.
[20:23] <Unit193> !forget ops-#ubuntu-beginners-team
[20:23] <krytarik> lol
[20:23] <Fuchs>  !forget about DRE
[20:23] <Fuchs> oh bleh :( Sorry, didn't think it takes it with space
[20:25] <dax> ja, she drops whitespace at the front of messages. i usually upside-down the ! or put a dot first
[20:26] <Unit193> ‽foo
[20:33]  * Fuchs goes to his corner and is quiet


[05:48] <scientes> GrueMaster, im watching about LFNW  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbqo5XkZoPQ
[05:48] <scientes> how was it
[06:02] <scientes_> GrueMaster, im watching about LFNW  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbqo5XkZoPQ
[06:02] <scientes_> how was it
[12:46] <nagyz> hi there
[12:46] <nagyz> is there a beaglebone image somewhere for 12.04?
[13:52] <GrueMaster> nagyz: Try the server image.  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release/ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap4.img.gz
[13:53] <nagyz> and how am I supposed to install that to an SD card? I guess a simple dd is not enough :-)
[13:55] <GrueMaster> Download it, then run "gunzip <ubuntu-12.04-preinstalled-server-armhf+omap4.img.gz |sudo dd bs=4M of=<sd device> (i.e. /dev/sdf or /dev/mmcblk0)".
[13:56] <nagyz> simple enoug
[13:56] <nagyz> h
[13:56] <nagyz> I wonder if the beaglebone is omap4, or omap3...
[13:56] <GrueMaster> Or if you are running Windows on your desktop, unzip and use win32-imagewriter.
[13:56] <GrueMaster> beaglebone is omap3.
[13:57] <nagyz> ok, let me try it out :-)
[13:58] <nagyz> 638 megz :(
[13:58] <nagyz> will take 5 mins to DL
[13:58] <GrueMaster> Grab a coffee.
[14:00] <nagyz> my problem with angstrom was that with the .13 kernel PWM was working fine but couldn't get my wifi stick working
[14:00] <nagyz> with their latest kernel (.14), wifi works fine but no PWM :)
[14:00] <nagyz> I wonder how many upstream TI patches does ubuntu ship in their omap kernel?
[14:01] <GrueMaster> The omap kernel in our images is directly from mainstream.
[14:05] <nagyz> well, worst case scenario I can apply the patches by hand
[14:06] <nagyz> gunzip running
[14:07] <nagyz> wouldn't zcat be better than gunzip?
[14:07] <nagyz> for this particiular case, I mean
[14:07] <GrueMaster> Either or.  This is just what I use.
[14:10] <rcn-ee> nagyz, are you trying to run ubuntu's 12.04 preinstalled image on a beaglebone?
[14:10] <nagyz> yep
[14:10] <nagyz> saw your git tree with the patches and scripts too
[14:10] <rcn-ee> there's like zero 'am335x' patches in mainline v3.2...
[14:11] <rcn-ee> you'll either have to bring in angtrom's beaglebone kernel, or v3.2-staging branch from arago directly...
[14:21] <nagyz> rcn-ee so I've build the kernel with your build_kernel.sh
[14:22] <rcn-ee> okay, that one should work fine..
[14:23] <nagyz> yeah but under arch/arm/boot I only see an Image; instead of an uImage
[14:23] <nagyz> is there an easy way to create a package that I could install with opkg on the armstrong?
[14:24] <rcn-ee> nagyz, if you want a uImage, enable the correct "ZRELADDR" setting in system.sh and also enable "BUILD_UIMAGE", other then the bone, all my other boards i support use zImages directly. .;)
[14:26] <rcn-ee> really no point in package a opkg package, just run "./tools/install-image.sh" it'll copy the image/modules to the card. (just make sure MMC is set correctly in system.sh)
[14:28] <rcn-ee> btw, since your only changing a few things. just run "./tools/rebuild.sh" then you won't have to rebuild everything from scratch..
[14:29] <nagyz> the problem is I'm building on an other machine, not the one I have the SD card in :)
[14:29] <nagyz> but I can look into the script I guess
[14:29] <nagyz> to figure out how to port it ;)
[14:29] <rcn-ee> ah, that would be a problem... well both the "zimage/uImage & modules are under deploy" directory..
[14:40] <prpplague> rcn-ee: you get your lvds board ok?
[14:41] <rcn-ee> yeap, got it mid week prpplague (still recovering from the ti summit last week) so i haven't opened it up yet. ;)
[14:41] <prpplague> rcn-ee: ahh ok
[14:42] <prpplague> rcn-ee: let me know if you have any questions
[14:42] <rcn-ee> sure, thanks prpplague...  i'm attaching to an older panda, so i'll get to do some soldering. ;)
[14:43] <prpplague> rcn-ee: just fyi, the full pixel-qi kits as well as standard lcd kits are now in stock
[14:43] <rcn-ee> yeap i saw those too..
[14:44] <rcn-ee> the full kits look nice..
[14:49] <nagyz> rcn-ee will build_kernel.sh apply the patches to the latest mainline (eg now it's 3.2.17 or so), or will it use some other special branch? I see 3.2.0-psp7 here, whatever ps pis
[14:49] <nagyz> *psp is
[14:50] <nagyz> and I guess I can just easily copy over the uImage to /boot, link it in, and that's it? (and extract the modules under /lib/modules)
[14:51] <rcn-ee> because the arago patchset is so envasive, that merge actually fails..  after my images get updated this week, i'm moving to a shared repo with angstrom, one plus, they do have a 3.2.17 patchset on top of v3.2-staging..
[14:52] <nagyz> for some reason in their latest kernel (3.2.14) the PWM driver is broken
[14:52] <nagyz> the pwm directory under /sys is empty
[14:52] <nagyz> with .13 it works fine
[14:53] <nagyz> any reason why I'd want to go with their 3.2.17 instead of 3.2.0-psp7?
[14:53] <nagyz> I saw some usb problems mentioned, could you elaborate on those?
[14:54] <rcn-ee> If you have any other cape then just "dvd-d" cape, use the angstrom kernel.. ;) (i got an lcd board coming, and i know my image is lacking with that cape)
[14:54] <nagyz> just my own cape so far
[14:54] <nagyz> I'm driving motors in a GPS-controller RC car :)
[14:54] <nagyz> well, I'd hardly call it a cape :-)
[14:54] <rcn-ee> musb: in a nut shell, there's currently a issues (race conditions) with the dma controller behind the usb port..
[14:55] <nagyz> I plan to use the usb port for the wifi stick
[14:55] <rcn-ee> some wifi devices work fine, some fail in 5mins, some fail on boot..
[14:55] <nagyz> should that go away with the latest .17?
[14:57] <rcn-ee> i'd actually test them both with your hardware, neither will work with 100% of hardware
[14:57] <nagyz> root@beaglebone:~# uname -a
[14:57] <nagyz> Linux beaglebone 3.2.0-psp7 #1 Tue May 1 15:05:06 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
[14:57] <nagyz> hah :)
[15:01] <nagyz> uhm
[15:01] <nagyz> root@beaglebone:~# cd /sys/class/pwm/ehrpwm.1:0
[15:01] <nagyz> -sh: cd: /sys/class/pwm/ehrpwm.1:0: No such file or directory
[15:01] <nagyz> I guess your tree doesn't include the pwm drivers?
[15:02] <rcn-ee> yeah, angstrom's kernel has those, with the base i was using, they needed more work for porting..
[15:03] <nagyz> is there an easy way to build their kernel source instead of using bitbake & friends?
[15:03] <rcn-ee> nagyz, yeap. ;) new as of a week ago.. https://github.com/beagleboard/kernel
[15:04] <rcn-ee> that's what i'm planning to move to with psp8 mid next week..
[15:04] <nagyz> ok let's see if I can make that work
[15:04] <rcn-ee> bone development is curretnly in the beaglebone-3.2 branch..
[15:04] <nagyz> so what does your tree contain that theirs doesn't?
[15:05] <rcn-ee> it'll just make a tree, so you'll have to "make ARCH=arm CROSS_"
[15:06] <rcn-ee> in a futile attemp to fix the usb port, i pulled in pretty much all the commits in the v3.2-staging tree... https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/blob/am33x-v3.2/patch.sh#L39 (around 200 or so), angstrom just cherry picked about 2 dozen from there.. (a lot of them aren't exactly clean commits)
[15:07] <nagyz> I see
[15:07] <nagyz> patch.sh is running now
[15:08] <rcn-ee> when done, it'll have all the patches in export, along with a tree ready to go..
[15:10] <nagyz> ugh, quite slow :(
[15:10] <nagyz> since google set up the kernel git mirrors, I tend to use those
[15:10] <nagyz> those are blazing :)
[15:11] <rcn-ee> you can also "--reference /dir/to/linux" to "git clone (refer) git:// " then it takes a few seconds. ;)
[15:12] <nagyz> I'm assuming patch.sh fetches a genuine linux stable tree, and will apply the patches later
[15:12] <rcn-ee> correct
[15:12] <rcn-ee> it's just a simple script to share patches for the beagleboard, not caring what you use to build it.. (my scripts or angstroms bb)
[15:22] <nagyz> it's patching now
[15:22]  * nagyz is excited :)
[15:23] <nagyz> or, ohm, doing something.
[15:31] <nagyz> rcn-ee and now just go into the kernel directory, and that's it?
[15:32] <rcn-ee> not sure on your defintion of "that's it" but, the kernel directory now has the fully patched angtstrom kernel..
[15:33] <nagyz> that's it = I can now just go ahead and compile the kernel and use it on the beaglebone :)
[15:33] <rcn-ee> that's all the script does..
[15:34] <rcn-ee> the .config should be in the patches directory under beaglebone..
[15:34] <nagyz> and yep, defconfig is there
[15:34] <nagyz> ok, let's give it a try
[15:34] <nagyz> it's been awhile since I had to compile a kernel by hand without any scripts :-)
[15:34] <nagyz> make -j48 uImage?
[15:35] <nagyz> ah, and set ARCH=arm and CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-
[15:35] <rcn-ee> CROSS_COMIPLE=somegcc..
[15:35] <rcn-ee> yeap..
[15:35] <rcn-ee> don't forget "uimage modules"
[15:36] <nagyz> I love this build machine :)
[15:37] <nagyz> except when make dies on something and you have to start scrolling back
[15:37] <nagyz> stupid make.
[15:37] <nagyz> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `firmware/am335x-pm-firmware.bin', needed by `firmware/am335x-pm-firmware.bin.gen.o'.  Stop.
[15:37] <nagyz> this happens when I try to build the modules
[15:38] <rcn-ee> humm, looks like we need to crate a patch for that, you can get the file from here: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=am33x-cm3.git;a=tree;f=bin;h=dc6e79180b8c468832e684d631818af31448bd81;hb=HEAD
[15:39] <rcn-ee> just copy it to the kernel firmware directly.. it should build with out it, so a kernel bug..
[15:43] <nagyz> ok, great, worked :-)
[15:43] <nagyz> let's see if I can boot it up
[15:48] <nagyz> root@beaglebone:~# uname -a
[15:48] <nagyz> Linux beaglebone 3.2.16rccar-13231-g304db30 #2 Tue May 1 17:42:13 CEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux
[15:48] <nagyz> let's see if I have PWM or not
[15:49] <nagyz> ergh
[15:49] <nagyz> no PWM with this kernel, again
[15:49] <rcn-ee> did you copy the modules?
[15:49] <nagyz> yes, and ran depmod -a
[15:49] <nagyz> but the PWM should be built-in anyway
[15:50] <nagyz> seems like whatever happened between .13 and .14, persisted thru .16
[15:50] <nagyz> is there an easy way to find out what changed between .13 and .14 in terms of the PWM driver?
[15:51] <rcn-ee> you'd have to look at the meta-ti repo, to see what they tweaked between versions.. (there's just not enough history in that .patch script to show that change)
[15:52] <nagyz> I'd be perfectly happy with the .13 kernel too
[15:52] <nagyz> my only problem was that while I could install it with opkg, I couldn't find a way to install it's modules
[15:52] <nagyz> whenever I installed kernel-module-xxx it installed the module for the latest kernel, not for what I had running
[15:53] <rcn-ee> no idea either. ;)
[15:54] <nagyz> is there a way to build not the latest but a specific version with patch.sh?:)
[15:55] <rcn-ee> like i said, it's a new script... so anything prior to last week doesn't exist..
[15:55] <nagyz> ok
[15:55] <nagyz> thanks
[15:56] <rcn-ee> but in the future, yes you can go back in time and rerun patch.sh. ;)
[16:12] <nagyz> I could just go ahead and cherry-pick the PWM patches, I guess?
[16:13] <nagyz> and try them on top of the mainstream kernel
[16:14] <rcn-ee> if you do don't forget the massive am335x patchset ;)
[16:15] <nagyz> https://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev/blob/am33x-v3.2/patch.sh#L39
[16:15] <nagyz> which one is that from tihs list? :)
[16:15] <nagyz> I'd assume it's 001 but that seems an easy one
[16:16] <rcn-ee> if it was one, i'd be pushing out v3.4-rcX images for the bone. ;)
[16:16] <nagyz> how come I see the pwm patches here, yet when I built the psp kernel with your script it wasn't included? I thought all of these patches are included :)
[16:16] <rcn-ee> do a diff between, v3.2 and http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=am33x-cm3.git;a=tree;f=bin;h=dc6e79180b8c468832e684d631818af31448bd81;hb=HEAD
[16:16] <rcn-ee> sorry, copy paste error: http://arago-project.org/git/projects/?p=linux-am33x.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/v3.2-staging
[16:17] <rcn-ee> it might have moved under /sys, or wasn't enabled with the the right config..
[16:18] <nagyz> I checked it under /sys
[16:18] <nagyz> and lets see
[16:18] <nagyz> CONFIG_GENERIC_PWM=y
[16:18] <nagyz> CONFIG_DAVINCI_EHRPWM=y
[16:18] <nagyz> CONFIG_ECAP_PWM=y
[16:19] <nagyz> these are set in the .config of your kernel too
[16:19] <nagyz> interesting!
[16:19] <nagyz> then it suffers from the same problem as >=.14
[16:22] <nagyz> I don't see an easy way to see why it's not coming up if it's compiled into the kernel
[16:33] <damian0815> hey ubuntu-arm, i've just installed ubuntu 12.04 preinstalled server (headless) on my beagleboard C4 and aplay -l isn't showing any devices. is sound known to work?
[16:52] <RyuGuns> Noob question: What's the difference between arm1 and armf?
[16:58] <GrueMaster> RyuGuns: armel is armv7 with softFP.  armhf is armv7 with hard float.
[16:58] <GrueMaster> (I'm assuming that was what you meant).
[16:59] <RyuGuns> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/
[16:59] <RyuGuns> Oh..
[16:59] <RyuGuns> Wait.
[16:59] <RyuGuns> I see what it is now.
[16:59] <RyuGuns> Thanks.
[16:59] <RyuGuns> What is softFP and hard float?
[16:59] <RyuGuns> I'm sorry, me noob.
[17:01] <rcn-ee> think about it as: soft - software, hard - hardware. ;)
[17:11] <RyuGuns> fp=floating point?
[17:11] <damian0815> ... so more sound detail. snd_soc_twl4030 module is loaded, but /proc/asound/cards reports --- no soundcards ---
[17:11] <damian0815> seems broken :-/
[18:41] <damian0815_> ok, figured it out -- i needed to manually modprobe snd_soc_omap, snd_soc_omap-mcbsp and snd_soc_omap3beagle followed by enabling 'HeadsetR Mixer AudioL2' and '... AudioR2'
[19:13] <janimo> marvin24, thanks. I'll probably package that if noone does it faster


[19:08] <bkerensa> hello folks
[19:08] <bkerensa> I made Ubuntu Oregon a chrome theme today.... If California wants one just let me know ;)
[19:15] <jyo> The Google+ / Gmail contacts integration is actually pretty nice.
[19:34] <bkerensa> yep
[20:33] <akk> input jump_smart


[07:36] <robr> kylem, i'm having a bit of trouble trying to use ssh to get your git repo for the kernel
[07:36] <robr> kylem, when i use the command git clone<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:37] <robr> it reports the patch can't be found
[07:37] <robr> what is the correct ssh url for accessing your git repo via ssh?
[07:37] <kylem> try:
[07:38] <kylem> er, i need to check.
[07:39] <kylem> for ssh:
[07:39] <kylem> git clone robr@kernel.ubuntu.com:/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git
[07:40] <kylem> bbiab (sorry, i'm on vacation this week)
[07:41] <robr> kylem, thanks -- sorry to bug you on your vacation
[07:41] <pkl_> robr: what's the problem.  Maybe I can help?
[07:43] <robr> pkl_, what's the correct ssh url to the gutsy kernel git repo?
[07:43] <pkl_> robr: you have an account on Zinc?
[07:44] <robr> pkl_, yes
[07:44] <robr> and i'm able to ssh into the box
[07:44] <pkl_> ah good, just getting the info now..
[07:45] <pkl_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:45] <robr> pkl_, i'll give that a try
[07:46] <pkl_> using that you should be able to push to the repo (and pull)
[07:47] <robr> pkl_, looks like it's working, thanks
[07:47] <pkl_> robr: no problem
[08:21] <BenC> robr: been able to access your account yet?
[08:25] <robr> BenC, yes
[08:26] <robr> BenC, i'm cloning the git repo now...it's a bit slow thru our firewall
[08:27] <BenC> robr: tar,gz + scp might have been faster than strict git protocol :)
[08:27] <robr> d'oh! didn't think about it that way
[08:30] <BenC> robr: I'll get jpan's account setup, hopefully will be done by start of business your time tomorrow
[08:30] <BenC> the admins are in the UK, so well past normal hours for them
[08:33] <robr> BenC: thanks
[08:44] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi there! How's the vacations?
[08:46] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: good, debconf now.
[08:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Ah, didn't remember that. When you're back?
[08:48] <Mithrandir> Monday
[10:30] <robr> BenC_ / pkl_ : do you guys have rsync running on your kernel.ubuntu.com ? we could just mirror your tree locally here behind our corporate firewall
[10:53] <BenC> robr: unfortunately not...perhaps I could get admin to open that up for us
[11:03] <robr> BenC, it would make it more efficient for us, but not absolutely neccessary


[03:01] <studio-user766> I'm a dork. I ried installing Xen Server using a flashdrive on to my g505 laptop. not so useful
[03:01] <holstein> should be fine.. if thats the machine you want it on
[03:02] <holstein> i used to use older laptops where the screens were bad/busted as "headless" servers.. with battery backup :)
[03:03] <studio-user766> problem is, I tried creating the installation flashdrive using dd command with a 1meg sector size. I couldn't get it to boot. What did you use to create it?
[03:03] <holstein> to create what?
[03:04] <holstein> i didnt use zen server, for one thing.. but, when im making bootable USB sticks, i just follow the instructions..
[03:04] <holstein> i'll use unetbootin, or simply dd when possible
[03:04] <XenStudio> to create the senserver installation media
[03:05] <XenStudio> sorry, ubuntu reset itself a moment ago. I'm the XenServer questions guy.
[03:07] <holstein> you have questions about zenserver?
[03:08] <XenStudio> Yeah, that studio-user766 guy was my lag ghost from the last instance of ubuntu i had open.
[03:09] <XenStudio> I was wondering what you used to create installation media. did you use dd (the linux command) or if you just created an actual dvd.
[03:10] <holstein> i didnt create a zen server installation media
[03:10] <holstein> but, i just follow whatever the creators of the media suggest
[03:10] <holstein> i use unetbootin, or dd copy the iso, when applicable
[03:11] <XenStudio> oh om that makes sense. I might have been using the wrong sector size for copying the ISOs.
[03:11] <holstein> they should have documentation..


[22:33] <marc0s> mars: http://dpaste.com/70131/
[22:33] <marc0s> so you have more lines to check
[22:34] <marc0s> before that, some apache modules were enabled and apache reloaded
[22:35] <mars> looks like it dies around line 373 maybe?
[22:35] <mars> no, that can't be right
[22:36] <mars> line 425+ somewhere
[22:36] <marc0s> or maybe 361 ?
[22:36] <marc0s> let me check 425 ...
[22:37] <mars> marc0s, I would suspect line 485 then - rf-get itself may have died on you
[22:37] <marc0s> yes, the supermirror one
[22:38] <marc0s> if i launch rf-get it dies with the same error
[22:38] <mars> if so, then no worries, you can just run it manually.  The rest of the configuration suceeded
[22:38] <mars> good! :)
[22:38] <marc0s> good? :)
[22:38] <marc0s> how should i continue now?
[22:39] <mars> that means we have narrowed the error down to a single script, probably ssh authentication
[22:39] <marc0s> with the make schema && make run stuff ?
[22:39] <marc0s> ok
[22:39] <mars> well, not having rocketfuel-get may be a problem, it implies you can't fetch stuff over bzr+ssh.
[22:40] <mars> marc0s, did you supply an SSH key for your launchpad user account?
[22:40] <marc0s> not an ssh key from this machine, so i was asking if i should before :)
[22:41] <mars> I think it will work to run an instance of LP, but you won't be able to check in code, or use rf-get
[22:41] <mars> does deve/sourcecode have symlinks in it?
[22:41] <mars> devel/sourcecode
[22:42] <marc0s> not at all
[22:42] <marc0s> just a makefile
[22:43] <mars> hmm
[22:43] <mars> rocketfuel-get runs 'utilities/link-external-dependencies'
[22:44] <mars> which populates devel/sourcecode/
[22:44] <mars> so you won't be able to proceed to 'make schema' without running that, or getting rf-get going.
[22:45] <marc0s> hmm no good news :P
[22:45] <marc0s> do you think uploading the ssh key will let me continue the bzr fetching process?
[22:46] <mars> I'm not sure if it is the key that is the problem, or that it doesn't like bazaar.launchpad.net itself.  You may be able to add that manually to your known_hosts file
[22:47] <mars> marc0s, on a whim, what happens if you try 'ssh bazaar.launchpad.net'?
[22:47] <marc0s> i've uploaded the key and it seems to be fetching more stuff
[22:47] <marc0s> i try
[22:47] <marc0s> No shells on this server.
[22:47] <marc0s> and connectoin closed
[22:47] <mars> ah, nm then :)
[22:48] <mars> you added the key?  and rf-get is running now?
[22:48] <marc0s> it seems to, it's downlading :)
[22:49] <marc0s> hope it finishes before the maintenance downtime scheduled to be in 10 minutes :D
[22:49] <mars> I don't think that will affect it.  It should be a read-only switchover.
[22:49] <mars> not full downtime?
[22:50] <marc0s> ah ok
[22:50] <salgado> sinzui, is distributionsourcepackagecache.py really meant to be in lp/registry?
[22:50] <marc0s> i don't know just seen that on the web after uploading the key
[22:50] <lifeless> how long will the maintenance be?
[22:50] <lifeless> oh, 1 hour
[22:51] <jml> hello everybody
[22:51] <mars> good morning jml
[22:51] <mwhudson> hello jml
[22:52] <Shane_Fagan> I was wondering about apturl in launchpad. I was thinking of writing support for it because I would think it would be quite useful for answers. Would anyone be able to offer some guidance?
[22:53] <salgado> Shane_Fagan, sure!
[22:54] <Shane_Fagan> Ok so im downloading the source at the moment
[22:54] <Shane_Fagan> So give me about 15 minutes and then ill start asking a few questions and hopefully get hacking after that
[22:57] <mars> It would be cool if bzrlib could handle reconciliation between CLI options and CFG file options supplied to a script :/
[22:58] <mwhudson> mars: lp:~mars/lp-dev-utils/add-windmill-image-generator/ looks fairly nice, if still a bit shell script ish
[22:58] <mars> You have to manually merge optparse and ConfigParser into a new class to get that to happen with the stdlib
[22:59] <mars> mwhudson, shell-ish? :)
[22:59] <mwhudson> mars: now write a version that updates the ec2test-ish
[22:59] <mwhudson> mars: well, maybe that's not quite right
[22:59] <mwhudson> mars: copy-and-paste ish from ec2test
[22:59] <mars> yeah, there is a good reason for that
[22:59] <mwhudson> i can believe it
[22:59] <jml> that reminds me
[23:00] <mars> that reason being that I did not want to risk breaking ec2test at all, and I needed some features to be factored out into smaller bits
[23:00] <jml> is ec2test ok to be a bzr plugin?
[23:00] <mars> jml, no one has objected, but gary is away at OSCON - did he have anything to say on the matter?
[23:00] <mars> he did have plans for the script
[23:01] <marc0s> i think the downtime was total :) connection closed to bazaar.launchpad.net
[23:01] <jml> mars, no definitive answer.
[23:01] <mars> but then, he is also quite pragmatic - if a plugin is better and cleaner, I'm sure he would enjoy doing so
[23:01] <barry> jml, mwhudson, thumper are you guys up for meeting in 29m?
[23:02] <mars> jml, how were you going to land the plugin?
[23:02] <jml> barry, yes
[23:02] <mars> land/distribute
[23:02] <barry> jml: fantastic
[23:03] <jml> mars, simply change ec2test.py to a plugin, ask people to symlink it into ~/.bazaar/plugins
[23:03] <mars> jml, why not land it beside ec2test.py as ec2test_plugin.py?
[23:03] <mars> that way we can transition from one to the other
[23:03] <mars> jml, set-based development :D
[23:04] <jml> mars, "why not" is because it's accompanied by other refactorings to ec2test
[23:04] <jml> to make it more module-like
[23:04] <lifeless> sinzui: hai
[23:04] <Shane_Fagan> Damn does bzr stop in read only mode too?
[23:04] <jml> (and because I want to delete the current option parsing)
[23:04] <mars> jml, ok, that still doesn't prevent you from landing one beside the other, does it?
[23:04] <lifeless> Shane_Fagan: yes
[23:04] <Shane_Fagan> Ah crap
[23:04] <jml> mars, no, it just means more work.
[23:04] <mars> lifeless, I take it read-only mode interrupts the SSH connections?
[23:05] <lifeless> mars: we write to the db when the client disconnects, to trigger scanning, public mirroring, etc
[23:05] <mwhudson> barry: yes
[23:05] <jml> lifeless, not anymore, we write to db on Branch.unlock)(
[23:05] <mars> lifeless, ok, so "yes"? :)
[23:05] <mwhudson> i think codehosting is down during r/o mode at the moment?
[23:05] <lifeless> jml: sftp :P
[23:06] <mwhudson> not strictly necessary
[23:06] <mwhudson> lifeless: the same
[23:06] <jml> lifeless, same.
[23:06] <lifeless> ok cool. I don't want to know how you determine unlock for sftp ;P
[23:06] <jml> lifeless, I won't tell you
[23:06] <lifeless> mars: I don't see the correspondence to SSH connections in what I said :)
[23:06] <ajmitch> magic?
[23:07] <abentley> thumper: http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_text_white-space.asp
[23:07]  * ajmitch would like bugs to still be visible when in r/o mode
[23:08]  * jml too!
[23:08] <mars> time to get the family supper
[23:08] <mars> good night!
[23:08] <marc0s> bye mars
[23:08] <marc0s> thanks! :)
[23:11] <Shane_Fagan> Is it ok that the install stopped like that or will it cause problems?
[23:12] <Shane_Fagan> It was in the middle of getting the branch
[23:17] <Snova_> rocketfuel-setup has failed while branching... I hope this hasn't been asked half a dozen times today already, but http://paste.ubuntu.com/225073/
[23:17] <Shane_Fagan> It maybe because launchpad is in read only mode
[23:18] <Shane_Fagan> Im getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/225080/
[23:19] <mwhudson> barry: i need to pop out for a few minutes, maybe 10?
[23:21]  * jml looks at the pastes
[23:21] <jml> Snova_, yeah, sorry about that. Launchpad going down interrupted your pull.
[23:21] <Snova_> jml: Just my luck. :P I'll try again tomorrow, I guess.
[23:21] <jml> Shane_Fagan, you'll need to add an SSH key to your Launchpad account to get rid of that error, I think.
[23:22] <jml> Snova_, it'll be up again in less than an hour.
[23:22] <Shane_Fagan> I have one
[23:22] <Snova_> jml: Yes, but this connection is rather slow, and it's getting late.
[23:22] <jml> Shane_Fagan, is your Launchpad account called 'shane'?
[23:22] <jml> Snova_, ahh, ok. no worries then.
[23:22] <Shane_Fagan> shanepatrickfagan
[23:22] <jml> Snova_, better luck tomorrow
[23:22] <Shane_Fagan> Its worked every other time ive tried it
[23:22] <jml> Shane_Fagan, Launchpad is trying to use 'shane' to SSH in.
[23:23] <jml> "bzr: ERROR: The user shane has not registered any SSH keys with Launchpad."
[23:23] <Shane_Fagan> Ah ill switch and see what happens
[23:23] <jml> Shane_Fagan, type: 'bzr launchpad-login shanepatrickfagan' and you should be right.
[23:24] <Shane_Fagan> Nope still the same error
[23:24] <Shane_Fagan> Ill try it after it comes out of read only mode and see
[23:25] <thumper> sinzui: ping
[23:26] <sinzui> Hi thumper
[23:26] <thumper> sinzui: I've got a question about layers and requests
[23:26] <thumper> sinzui: I'm trying to write a test for my oops on demand branch
[23:26] <thumper> sinzui: which needs a current browser request
[23:26] <thumper> sinzui: how can I easily set one up in a unittest?
[23:27] <sinzui> hmm. I think I had to subclass a TestRequest to do that
[23:28] <barry> thumper, jml, mwhudson -> #launchpad-meeting in 2m
[23:28] <thumper> sinzui: have you done it somewhere?
[23:29] <thumper> sinzui: the thing is I'm using the from lazr.restful.utils import get_current_browser_request
[23:29] <thumper> sinzui: in the code I'm testing
[23:29] <sinzui> thumper: I am looking for an example
[23:29] <thumper> sinzui: cool, ta
[23:32] <jkakar> Aargh.
[23:32] <jkakar> I just lost a huge bug comment because Launchpad is (presumably) in read-only mode and still allows AJAX "in-page" actions to run.
[23:33] <Ursinha> jkakar, argh
[23:33] <Ursinha> I'll file a bug about it, if find any
[23:34] <sinzui> thumper: look at
[23:34] <sinzui> from canonical.launchpad.layers import setFirstLayer
[23:34] <sinzui> setFirstLayer(request, 'CodeLayer')
[23:34] <jkakar> Ursinha: Hmm, I wonder if I'm wrong.
[23:34] <sinzui> thumper: it is just a wrapper for:
[23:34] <sinzui> directlyProvides(request, layer, directlyProvidedBy(request))
[23:34] <intellectronica> jkakar: you mean you opened the collapsing form under the bug tasks table and tried to submit?
[23:34] <jkakar> Ursinha: I was on a bug page, clicking "Add comment", entered my comment and then, after clicking "Submit", I got the "Launchpad Offline" page... but I'd loaded the page before LP went down.
[23:35] <jkakar> intellectronica: Nope, I used the collapsing form for adding a comment.
[23:35] <beuno> jkakar, we need to slap a launchpad.Edit on that link
[23:35] <beuno> when LP comes back, we need a bug  :)
[23:35] <jkakar> Ursinha: If I try and load it now I just get the "Launchpad Offline" page.
[23:35] <jkakar> beuno: Ah, okay.
[23:35] <intellectronica> jkakar: ah ok, so nothing to do with ajax
[23:35] <jkakar> intellectronica: Maybe, I'm not sure.
[23:35] <Ursinha> beuno, I'll file one
[23:35] <intellectronica> ideally we should disable forms like that in read-only mode
[23:35] <jkakar> intellectronica: Yes, exactly.
[23:36] <intellectronica> but in this case, if you loaded the page before LP entered read-only mode that wouldn't have helped
[23:36] <jkakar> intellectronica: The only thing is I loaded the page before LP went read-only, so how would it know in that case?
[23:36] <jkakar> intellectronica: I guess it could ping every now and then to see if LP is alive, but that kind of thing is fraught with terribleness.
[23:36] <intellectronica> with ajax, otoh, we could try, tell you that we couldn't save and ask you to try again later, so there's an opportunity for a better experience
[23:37] <jkakar> intellectronica: Ah, duh, of course.  Use AJAX for the form submit.
[23:37] <jkakar> intellectronica: That'd be nice, yeah.
[23:38] <intellectronica> jkakar: yes. that's coming soon anyway
[23:39] <thumper> sinzui: how does that help?
[23:40] <jkakar> intellectronica: Awesome, thanks.
[23:50] <joey> hey kiko, remember that matrix you put together recently of all the weekly meetings?  If you didn't already think of this, that would be good info to have on the dev wiki for the community devs don't you think?