[04:03] <TheMuso> What is the environment variable to use with Qt apps to use Mir?
[04:18] <duflu> TheMuso: The binary ubuntu-app-launch does it for Unity8
[04:18] <duflu> TheMuso: In Mir demo shells it is mirrun
[04:18] <duflu> The set of environment variables is nonobvious because one of them you have to take away rather than add
[04:37] <TheMuso> duflu: Ok thanks. Thought it was easy as an env variable like it is with Gtk.
[04:40] <duflu> TheMuso: Yeah it's not that easy. Qt requires a variable which exists in Ubuntu gets undefined, plus Unity8 requires extra setup above and beyond the environment before it is willing to run an app (which I think is unreasonable and something we will need to eventually fix with public outcry)
[04:40] <duflu> -gets +be undefined
[04:41] <duflu> We have the ability to just run native apps without any special setup, so we should make it that easy
[04:41]  * duflu glares at Unity8 people
[05:00] <TheMuso> duflu: Thanks.
[07:52] <pitti> Good morning
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> MOrning TheMuso pitti duflu
[08:52] <duflu> Morning flexiondotorg
[08:53] <hikiko> heh, morning desktopers
[08:53] <flexiondotorg> hikiko, Morning
[08:53] <duflu> God exceptions are evil
[08:54] <duflu> Sigh
[08:54]  * TheMuso waves hello.
[08:54] <hikiko> use error messages and perror etc :)
[08:55]  * hikiko doesn't like exceptions either :p
[08:57] <hikiko> hi willcooke
[08:57] <willcooke> morning hikiko
[08:57] <hikiko> flexiondotorg, good morning!
[08:58] <seb128> the channel is waking up it seems!
[08:58] <seb128> good morning desktopers ;-)
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Morning
[09:01] <willcooke> hey seb128 flexiondotorg
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, o/
[09:03] <Laney> hi!
[09:03] <willcooke> g'morning Laney
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> hi willcooke, hi seb128!
[09:05] <Laney> how are you?
[09:05] <Laney> good weekend?
[09:05] <seb128> did you all have a good w.e?
[09:05] <seb128> doing good, though it's grey cold and rainy today
[09:07] <seb128> w.e was quite busy doing some house-work (changing an old phone plug to an eth one in the living room, fixing a drawer in the kitchen that had lost its handle, fixing a new shelf, etc)
[09:07] <seb128> you?
[09:08] <Laney> you grown up!
[09:08] <Laney> umm, went to the pub ...
[09:09] <seb128> lol
[09:09] <seb128> pub sounds nice
[09:09] <willcooke> lol
[09:09] <Laney> then on saturday went to the allotment, did some tidying and harvesting (cavolo nero, jerusalem artichoke, celeriac, nasturtium seeds)
[09:09] <Laney> and yesterday -> climbing and then coffee and cake
[09:09] <Laney> #notgrownup
[09:10] <seb128> I did manage my days well, those small fixups still take longer that you though
[09:10] <seb128> I wanted to go to get some coffee and appletart yesterday but failed at it
[09:10] <davmor2> Laney: When you say you grown up! for some reason I thought the next line was gonna be me tarazan ;)
[09:11] <seb128> but tonight tennis!
[09:11] <seb128> (I hope at least, looking outside makes me unsure we are going to be able to play :-/)
[09:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:12] <seb128> hey Dave
[09:13] <Laney> davmor2: good idea, /me moves to the jungle
[09:13] <Laney> seb128: it's the super moon tonight too
[09:13] <hikiko> hi seb128 Laney davmor2
[09:13] <Laney> hoping the clouds go away
[09:13] <Laney> hey hikiko
[09:13] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:14] <seb128> hey hikiko
[09:15] <davmor2> Laney: there's a caravan park called Ebury Hill in shrewsbury you get some awesome night skys during the summer there as there are only a couple of Farms near it so no street lighting and the site lights are on top of the electric posts so next to know contamination from them either
[09:16] <TheMuso> Laney: Hope you have better luck. Its cloudy here at the moment, so no super moon, at least for my part of Sydney.
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, just reading about that, it's going to be at the closest around lunch time, I don't think it's going to work out from here with that weather
[09:18] <davmor2> TheMuso: no no no we've seen the films there are only clear blue skys in Australia you're not blagging us with that one ;)
[09:19]  * pitti returns and sees a lot of action in this channel -- good morning desktoppers!
[09:19] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, how was the show on friday? had a good w.e?
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! Apparently you've been the most productive of us all this weekend :)
[09:20] <TheMuso> davmor2: Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but whatever material/media you have seen from/about Australia is greatly mistaken. :p
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: absolutely, yes! nice headbanging on Friday, another piano concert Saturday (what a contrast), and apart from some housecleaning mostly idling and avoiding the bitter cold :)
[09:20] <pitti> (well, we did a two hour walk, but brrrr)
[09:20] <Sweet5hark> moin
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: sounds nicer than household stuff anyway :)
[09:21] <pitti> moin moin Sweet5hark
[09:22] <Sweet5hark> heya pitti, seb128, laney, all!
[09:22] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[09:23] <seb128> pitti, sounds like a nice w.e, I should have one of those next week ;-)
[09:24] <davmor2> TheMuso: but but but, crocodile dundee, prescia queen of the desert, mad max, and even strictly ballroom all sunny neighbours home and away I can go on :P
[09:25] <Laney> hey pitti Sweet5hark & TheMuso ;-)
[09:26] <TheMuso> davmor2: Well sorry to disappoint you. :)
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney davmor2
[09:27] <flexiondotorg> And Sweet5hark o/
[09:28] <davmor2> TheMuso: no don't go shattering my illusions ;)
[09:29] <TheMuso> davmor2: :)
[09:30] <seb128> flexiondotorg, how is your back btw? do you feel better now?
[09:44] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Much improved. I walk from Poole to Bournemouth and back yesterday. Really helped.
[09:44] <seb128> great
[09:45] <seb128> glad you are doing better!
[09:45] <flexiondotorg> Also amazing views of the moon at perigee :-)
[09:45] <seb128> you found clear sky in the u.k? ;-)
[09:45] <flexiondotorg> Yep.
[09:45] <flexiondotorg> Last night was it.
[09:45] <seb128> nice
[09:46] <flexiondotorg> Although it is closer tonight, will be cloudy.
[09:46] <flexiondotorg> Was complete clear sky at the coast yesterday.
[09:46] <pitti> indeed, here too -- nice full moon, but bitterly cold at night
[09:46] <flexiondotorg> Thousands of photographers there on the beach.
[09:47] <flexiondotorg> http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/newS/14885281.PICTURES__Not_quite_a_supermoon_lights_up_Dorset_skies/
[09:50] <flexiondotorg> I think they were a bit too ficused on the moon, but this is what it looked like facing west - https://plus.google.com/+MartinWimpress/posts/A9QVQfchhPS
[09:51] <seb128> nice view indeed
[09:54]  * flexiondotorg nips out to buy milk...
[10:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, did you see the "[yakkety/libreoffice] Possible Regression" emails? could you check those/reply to Brian?
[10:24] <seb128> they don't seem likely to be due to the SRU change from a non-libreoffice-maintainer eye
[10:25] <seb128> just non frequent issues that had some 5.1 reports but no 5.2 yet
[10:35]  * duflu goes to find the moon
[10:36] <seb128> duflu, good luck and enjoy the view ;-)
[10:36] <duflu> Hmm, the moon is so super it's got powers of invisibility
[10:36] <duflu> Too low probably
[11:06] <pitti> Laney: FYI, I have a PR now for bug 1637758; I'll wait for Robert's review before uploading, though (and it seems he's currently landing a new upstream release too)
[11:06] <ubot5`> bug 1637758 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "lightdm greeter session not properly shut down at login" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1637758
[11:08] <Laney> pitti: nice
[11:08] <Laney> do you know why usd doesn't go down with the session?
[11:08] <Laney> what tells it to die in a normal user session?
[11:09] <Laney> and why did that unified hierarchy patch fix it? :-)
[11:10] <pitti> Laney: I at least know for nm-applet -- unity-greeter just Process.spawn_command_line_async()s that without ever cleaning it up
[11:10] <pitti> i. e. there's nothing on closing the unity greeter session that would stop it
[11:10] <pitti> Laney: I think before it was upstart shutting down the session dbus on session closing
[11:11] <pitti> and nm-applet/u-s-d died  with that
[11:11] <pitti> now it's lingering as it's PAM/systemd which closes it
[11:12] <pitti> Laney: as for the unified hiearchy, I don't have the slightest idea how that influenced that ..
[11:15] <Laney> me neither
[11:15] <Laney> it's all voodoo to me
[12:17] <Sweet5hark> seb128: @yakkety regressions: only discussed the first one with brain (right at the sprint). havent rechecked or redicussed them since.
[12:19]  * Sweet5hark is having a look now
[12:22]  * Sweet5hark curses at the fancy javascript-foo on errors.u.c. Just gimme the damn data.
[12:25] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so looking at https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=libreoffice-core&period=week I see nothing in the Top20 with "First seen: Ubuntu 16.10".
[12:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: and looking at one of the crashers that I got spammeed about (64e3163cddff439ffdde7cbe5bf031a0d3412ae3), has 35 events on Ubuntu 15.10, 15 events on Ubuntu 16.04 and _4_ events on Ubuntu 16.10.
[12:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: IOW, the detection algo there is nuts and just triggers on noise: something happening 15 times on the LTS is noise anyway. And in this particular case the regression detection freaks out about 4 events on 5.2.2-0ubuntu2 because accidentally there werent any events on 5.2.2-0ubuntu1.
[12:32] <Sweet5hark> so: 5.2.2-0ubuntu1 had the defect too, but wasnt deployed enough to show it. absence of evidence isnt evidence of absense and all that jazz: assuming 5.2.2-0ubuntu1 was more healthy is nonsense.
[13:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, right, what I think as well, let's just tell Brian to unblock it
[14:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good suggestions in the email, indeed their "need to manual check for regression" is a easy to trigger
[14:04] <andyrock> muktupavels: hey
[14:05] <andyrock> gtk/window-decorator/gwd-settings-storage.c:208:36: error: ‘META_THEME_TYPE_GTK’ undeclared (first use in this function)
[14:05] <muktupavels> andyrock: hey
[14:05] <andyrock> I'm on xenial
[14:06] <andyrock> would be nice to add a check to be sure that metacity 3.20 is installed
[14:06] <andyrock> to keep supporting xenial
[14:06] <muktupavels> what metacity version has in xenial?
[14:07] <andyrock> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VPvPBiBZ/
[14:07] <andyrock> 3.18
[14:09] <muktupavels> then metacity support should have been disabled.
[14:10] <muktupavels> andyrock: is not USE_METACITY set to 0?
[16:46] <happyaron> pitti: hey, would you mind to have a look at n-m in git when you have time?
[16:52] <pitti> happyaron: oh, nice! sure
[16:52] <pitti> happyaron: anything in particular you want me to watch out for, or just a general "looks OK and works"?
[16:54] <pitti> happyaron: you dropped Read-system-connections-from-run.patch, but that isn't upstream yet
[16:54] <happyaron> pitti: just the patch set
[16:55] <happyaron> let me check
[16:58] <pitti> happyaron: Read-config-from-run.patch was indeed accepted (not sure if it's already in 1.4.2, but that's easy enough to find out)
[17:00] <pitti> happyaron: dinner now, will look in ~ 3 hours
[17:00] <happyaron> ty
[17:00] <happyaron> I'm going to bed.
[17:01] <andyrock> muktupavels: i get the error if I disable metacity andccm decorator plugin at configure/cmake time
[17:02] <muktupavels> andyrock: what error?
[17:04] <dmj_s76> Trevinho: andyrock: Had a chance to think about the HiDPI scaling issue in unity/u-s-d?
[17:05] <muktupavels> andyrock: just tried with -DUSE_METACITY=OFF and got error...
[17:28] <muktupavels> andyrock, trevinho: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertsmuktupavels/compiz/fix-build-with-use-metacity-off/+merge/310793


[00:03] <Max_Tither> popey, Thank you for your response, putting me in the right direction. Have a good evening.
[01:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> Max_Tither,
[01:49] <Aki-Thinkpad> ping
[02:09] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, pong
[02:11] <Max_Tither> Aki-Thinkpad, I'll return in 6 minutes
[02:20] <Aki-Thinkpad> dinner
[02:34] <Max_Tither> ping mhall119
[03:01] <mhall119> Max_Tither: pong
[03:01] <Max_Tither> mhall119, Good evening.
[03:02] <Max_Tither> I wanted to report that ubuntu.com is down.
[03:03] <mhall119> Max_Tither: looks like everything is offline
[03:03] <Max_Tither> I think it is the data center as all Ubuntu sites are included in the outage.
[03:03] <Max_Tither> Yes, I agree
[03:03] <mhall119> yeah, must be
[03:03] <mhall119> our poor sysadmins are having a crappy saturday night/sunday morning
[03:03] <Max_Tither> An just when I need to get docs from devel
[03:04] <Max_Tither> lol
[03:04] <Max_Tither> I guess stress is what makes work fun?
[03:04] <mhall119> no...no really...it's usually the alcohol
[03:04] <Max_Tither> lol
[03:05] <Max_Tither> yeah, maybe It is better for things to be boring.
[03:05] <mhall119> if you're a sysadmin it is
[03:05] <Max_Tither> right.
[03:06] <Max_Tither> One last thing, when is rtm?
[03:06] <mhall119> Max_Tither: according to #canonical-sysadmins /topic the DC is indeed offline and people have been called in to respond
[03:06] <mhall119> rtm == Release to Manufacturing
[03:07] <Max_Tither> When is rtm scheduled for?
[03:07] <Max_Tither> And it is great to hear that people have called it in.
[03:08] <mhall119> rtm is scheduled for mid-ish August
[03:08] <mhall119> I don't know the exact date
[03:09] <Max_Tither> That timeframe is good enough for me. I ask as I am excitedly waiting for the next release of the SDK.
[03:11] <Max_Tither> mhall119, Thank you for the responses. Have a great evening : )
[07:27] <AskUbuntu> How to make a debian package from ubuntu SDK? | http://askubuntu.com/q/483515
[09:17] <AskUbuntu> Porting App created using Ubuntu SDK onto an Embedded linux board | http://askubuntu.com/q/483540
[12:12] <mariog> hi huys....I can't find any documentation on how to use the new toolbar in touch apps...can somebody help me?
[12:12] <mariog> *guys
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> mariog - sheesh
[13:37] <Aki-Thinkpad> only sticks around for 10 minutes
[13:38] <Aki-Thinkpad> I hate those types of questions
[21:40] <anurag77> anyone please help
[21:44] <nik90> t1mp: I got a MP for you ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/panel-animation-speed/+merge/223186
[21:44] <nik90> t1mp: talk to you tomorrow about it