[08:53] <kraut> moin
[08:53] <Tonio_> hi there
[08:53] <Tonio_> cking_: hey, I just wanted to report a little issue with latest kernel update
[08:54] <Tonio_> cking_: you included my patch for bug 87253
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87253 in linux "internal speakers do not work on MacBook Pro" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87253
[08:54] <Tonio_> cking_: for some reason I can't figure out, the sound broke on macbook pro....
[08:55] <Tonio_> cking_: I'm re-reading the patch and I must say I can't figure out why..... that's should work as crimsun's old one...
[08:55] <tjaalton> Tonio_: bug 200338
[08:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[08:56] <Tonio_> tjaalton: so that's maybe more general issue than just my patch then ?
[08:57] <Tonio_> tjaalton: then I would understand :)
[08:57] <tjaalton> maybe yes, affecting everyone ;)
[08:57] <cking_> Tonio_: Looks like a more generic sound problem.
[08:57] <Tonio_> tjaalton: oki ;)
[08:57] <Tonio_> tjaalton: thanks for the info :) I really felt guilty with proposing a crackfull patch ;)
[08:57] <Tonio_> cking_: okay
[08:57] <cking_> Tonio_: Once the generic problem is resolved, I suggest trying again...
[08:58] <tjaalton> Tonio_: np, haven't noticed that myself yet, but saw the bug
[08:58] <Tonio_> cking_: sure
[09:02] <cking_> Tonio_: Once I reboot my laptop with the latest 2.6.24-12.18 updates I am bound to experience the same problem.
[10:26] <Kano> hi, does anybody get sound with a hardy snapshot
[10:27] <Kano> i dont think that disabling sound in the kernel options helps..
[10:27] <infinity> No, sound's busticated.
[10:27] <infinity> There's a bug with a billion "me too"s.
[10:27] <infinity> Check dmesg, unresolved symbols galore in snd_* modules.
[10:27] <Kano> well thats because somebody thought disabling sound is a great idea
[10:28] <Kano> i know that
[10:28] <infinity> Yeah. :)
[10:28] <infinity> I'm pretty sure it's "known" is my point. :)
[10:28] <infinity> (It looks like an attempt to move sound/alsa wholesale from linux-image to l-u-m, but breaking it along the way)
[10:28] <Kano> well i know this even before it was released, exactly when i saw the patch...
[10:29] <Kano> minimum CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX=m should be disabled
[10:30] <Kano> that gives only problems
[10:30] <Kano> you can not blackist it without breaking old kernels on mixed installs
[10:31] <Kano> as soon as update-initramfs would be triggered then you could not boot an older kernel
[11:23] <BenC> Good morning able bodies
[11:33] <amitk> BenC: in case you haven't seen see the bug yet - bug 200338
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 200338 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "no sound hardy kernel 2.6.24-12 " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/200338
[11:34] <BenC> amitk: isn't that a case of "install lum please" ?
[11:35] <amitk> BenC: we have installs w/o LUM?
[11:35] <BenC> amitk: default install is with lum...linux-image-generic depends on it
[11:36] <BenC> anybody changing that is taking on their own problems...but this looks like something different anyway
[11:36] <amitk> besides these things are being triggered from LUM modules - see comment 15, for example
[11:38] <BenC> right...have you updated your install?
[11:39] <BenC> I'm updating mine to get a good look at the problem
[11:39] <amitk> BenC: doing it as we speak
[11:40] <BenC> Hopefully we wont have to delay beta
[11:42] <cking_> BenC: There certainly is a lot of missing sound related symbols...
[11:43] <cking_> ..anyhow, you are up early today Ben.
[11:45] <amitk> be back after a reboot
[11:46]  * BenC is rebooting too
[11:50] <BenC> Ah, CONFIG_SND being disabled makes alsa not able to load
[11:50] <BenC> stupid
[11:51] <BenC> I wonder if this can be overcome in lum or if we have to do something in the kernel and re-upload
[11:53] <cking_> BenC: I suspect it needs to be done in the kernel rather than the lum.
[11:53] <BenC> cking_: I fear that too, but I'm hoping we can overcome that somehow :)
[11:56] <BenC> It's very odd though...the lum build should have failed in this case
[11:59] <BenC> cking_: I think we may be in luck...those missing symbols are defined in and exported from sound/sound_core.c in alsa
[11:59] <BenC> just need to figure out why it wasn't compiled in
[11:59] <cking_> BenC: Yep, I am just looking at that. Perhaps turning on CONFIG_SOUND will do the trick... perhaps
[12:00] <cking_> BenC: Not sure what the difference between CONFIG_SND and CONFIG_SOUND is.
[12:01] <cking_> BenC: I see know, SOUND for sound core, SND for ALSA.
[12:06] <BenC> hmm...why isn't soundcore.ko being built...CONFIG_SOUND=m in the build
[12:08] <amitk> BenC: hmm.. I wonder if I was facing the same problem - obj-$(BLAH) wasn't getting interpreted correctly. See my latest commit for Marvell
[12:13] <BenC> "To enable ALSA support you need at least to build the kernel with
[12:13] <BenC> primary sound card support (CONFIG_SOUND).  Since ALSA can emulate OSS,
[12:13] <BenC> you don't have to choose any of the OSS modules."
[12:22] <cking_> BenC: Just run a i386 generic build and no soundcore.ko built - looked at: config.generic --> # CONFIG_SOUND is not set
[12:22] <BenC> cking_: that's the kernel
[12:23] <BenC> cking_: I was talking about the alsa-driver build in lum
[12:23] <cking_> BenC: Ah. I see what you mean.
[12:23] <BenC> I've set CONFIG_SOUND in the kernel and am preparing a new upload though
[12:24] <BenC> pushed my changes in case you guys want to give it a test run
[12:24] <BenC> I'm doing a -generic build to make sure all is good
[12:26] <BenC> Going to drink some coffee while this is going on
[12:46] <BenC> recompiling the kernel with CONFIG_SOUND works for me
[12:47] <BenC> No ABI bump, so all clear for an easy upload
[12:47] <BenC> rebooting to be on the safe side, brb
[12:51] <BenC> [   26.570791] snd: no version for "unregister_sound_special" found: kernel tainted.
[12:51] <BenC> a recompile of lum to fix that will be nice though
[12:52] <siretart> could some kernel hacker please comment on bug #197006? it hits the 'fai' pretty serverly (like in reders it close to unusable) :(
[12:54]  * allee seconds siretart wish.   Ubuntu kernel have unfortunately a bad charma respect to fai :(
[12:54] <alex_joni> ubotu: bug 197006
[12:55] <alex_joni> ubotu: bug #197006
[12:55] <tjaalton> ubotu is just feeling groggy
[12:55] <alex_joni> seems like it :)
[12:55] <BenC> probably hasn't had his coffee
[12:55] <tjaalton> yeah, rough weekend most likely
[12:56] <BenC> siretart: got a pretty good response for that...use aufs
[12:56] <BenC> the unionfs in hardy is a dumbed down 1.4 version, just enough for a working live-cd
[12:56] <BenC> it doesn't have the NFS support in it
[12:57] <siretart> BenC: I tried aufs as well, but that crashed for me even earlier
[12:58] <BenC> siretart: "crashed" is a loose word in this context, since unionfs didn't crash either
[12:58] <BenC> siretart: what exactly happened when you tried to use unionfs (in what way did it fail)
[12:58] <BenC> aufs I mean
[12:59] <siretart> I have to admit that I can only tell from memory. I gave it a quick shot, and on the first glance, it looked like aufs wouldn't work with NFS at all
[12:59] <BenC> If we can give you an updated aufs to resolve this, we can do that...but updating unionfs to work with NFS is not going to happen
[12:59] <siretart> hm. I see
[13:00] <BenC> siretart: how hard is it for you to download and build latest aufs with our kernel headers and test it for fai?
[13:00] <siretart> depends. what package do I need to recompile?
[13:01] <BenC> not a package, just the aufs source, and replace current aufs.ko with the one you build
[13:02] <BenC> or you can update the aufs source in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 and rebuild that, but it will take longer
[13:03] <siretart> BenC: ah, that sounds easy to do. Where can I find the latest aufs source?
[13:03] <BenC> aufs.sf.net
[13:03] <siretart> ok. will try that. thanks!
[13:04] <allee> BenC: thx from my side too!  Seems there is a bit of hope again.
[13:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197006 in linux "NFS over Unionfs prevents updating existing files" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197006
[14:36] <amitk> BenC: planning on re-uploading LUM too?
[14:36] <BenC> amitk: yeah
[14:44] <BenC> smb: Can you check on the SB600 USB stress test failure patch that Shane Huang just updated us on?
[14:45] <BenC> smb: I'd like to get that into the kernel...most likely post-beta though
[14:46] <smb> BenC: Yes I can do. I was looking at the kernel bug when the first patch came in and it sounded as the problem there had not finally be resolved. But I will have a look at the latest patchset
[14:47] <BenC> smb: thanks
[14:48] <BenC> We have the rest of this week to work out any remaining serious issues we want for Beta, but we need to make sure we commit nothing that isn't critical
[14:48] <BenC> Actually, we only have till Wed. since freeze is Thu
[14:49] <BenC> Any ABI bumps should be considered a no-go unless agreed upon in advance
[14:53] <smb> BenC: Ok, I am currently also checking something else towards that and will send that around on the kernel mailing list as soon as I have something.
[15:46] <amitk> BenC: wrt. LUM, I've got a couple of changes in git now that I'd like to get in today. Or were you planning only a
[15:46] <amitk> ...'give back'
[15:46] <BenC> amitk: No, I was doing an upload from git...I'll pull in your changes too
[15:47] <amitk> BenC: great, thanks.
[16:29] <dantalizing> BenC: I was just wondering what the status on the openvz patches is.  I understood they would be loaded last friday.
[16:30] <dantalizing> just curious
[16:44] <abogani> cking: Are you around? Are you already working on #177634?
[16:46] <abogani> cking: I'm already working on it: Can i assign this bug to myself?
[16:49] <cking> abogani: I've only just assigned myself on it ..
[16:51] <cking> ..not sure if you can assign yourself to it.
[16:54] <abogani> cking: Yes i can.
[17:02] <cking> abogani: Ok then, take it from me. :-)
[17:03] <abogani> cking: Thank you! :-)
[17:05] <cking> abogani: no problem, you are doing me a favour!
[17:06] <abogani> cking: It is my little contribution. ;)
[17:06] <cking> abogani: every little helps
[17:06] <abogani> :-
[17:06] <abogani> :-)
[17:14] <abogani> cking: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-March/002198.html
[17:16] <cking> abogani: is it tested? :-}
[17:16] <abogani> cking: Yes.
[17:16] <cking> abogani: thanks!
[17:16] <abogani> cking: I enabled lzma kernel module on i386 and amd64 only.
[17:18] <cking> abogani: yes, should it be broadened to all supported architectures?
[17:19] <abogani> cking: Sorry! I can test it only on i386/amd64 platforms. There Isn't exotic hardware here. :-(
[17:20] <cking_> abogani: I walk on the safe side, maybe we'll see if BenC OK's it on all architectures.
[17:26] <abogani> Good night guys! :-)
[17:42] <BenC> cking_: It's a little late for that sort of patch
[17:42] <BenC> cking_: Don't want to introduce anything that can especially affect live-cd
[18:09] <cking_> BenC: OK - won't pull it then.
[18:45] <sioux> hi :-)
[18:45] <sioux> no one help me with saa7134_alsa: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_new
[18:45] <sioux> ?
[18:46] <sioux> this is my kernel 2.6.24-11-rt
[18:56] <sioux> hey no one is up?
[18:56] <_MMA_> Or everyone's busy.
[19:00] <_MMA_> sioux: Best to file a bug though as the -rt maintainer is gone for the evening.
[19:01] <_MMA_> Oh. He left.
[19:35] <sioux> :-)
[19:36] <sioux> :-D
[19:39] <_MMA_> sioux: Before you left I said its best to file a bug though as the -rt maintainer is gone for the evening.
[20:15] <Nilbus> someone said they had /sys/power/pm_trace on a 64 bit kernel?
[20:16] <Nilbus> oh, hmm
[20:16] <Nilbus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/145860
[20:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145860 in linux "x86_64 kernel not compiled with PM_TRACE option" [Undecided,Fix released]
[20:17] <Nilbus> x86_64 kernel not compiled with PM_TRACE option
[20:42] <Kmos> hi
[20:42] <Kmos> the latest kernel update on hardy killed my sound :(
[20:42] <Kmos> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40)
[20:43] <_MMA_> Kmos: Known. Use -11 for now.
[20:43] <Kmos> the -11 worked fine
[20:43] <Kmos> _MMA_: it's an known issue? nice.. do you know when there is an update for it?
[20:43] <_MMA_> Apparently it hit Fedora as well. No clue about a update.
[20:43] <stgraber> Kmos: I saw a new linux-image building tw hours ago
[20:43] <stgraber> *two
[20:44] <Kmos> stgraber: nice :)
[20:44] <Kmos> i'll wait so =)
[20:44] <Kmos> thanks for the info
[20:44] <stgraber> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-12.20/+build/536089 "Enable CONFIG_SOUND at least, so alsa build in lum works
[20:45] <Kmos> nice
[21:36] <TheMuso> Wow, it hit fedora as well? Ouch.
[23:20] <[diablo]> hi
[23:21] <[diablo]> BenC, ok thanks.. right the problem is:
[23:21] <[diablo]> I've put 8.04 on my laptop, and im experiencing a weird problem that is I seem to need to hold a key like ALT to keep it booting, and also sometimes in Gnome aswell
[23:21] <[diablo]> I found that if I do an acpi=off
[23:22] <[diablo]> it works well, no key holding, the neg being that my MadWifi drivers don't detect any AP's
[23:22] <[diablo]> any ideas please?
[23:24] <BenC> [diablo]: try using irqfixup, irqpoll, or biosirq for kernel command line
[23:25] <[diablo]> with the acpi=off ?
[23:53] <rico42955> is there a channel to ask about the kernel and drivers?
[23:58] <_MMA_> rico42955: What's up? Sound issues?
[23:59] <_MMA_> ie: No sound with new kernel?


[00:22] <goddard> was nvidia-smi replaced?
[00:25] <sarnold> nvidia-utils-465: /usr/bin/nvidia-smi
[00:25] <sarnold> it's still there in a big-ish version number
[02:06] <oops> i can't understand the meaning of " root.localhost." in " @       IN      SOA     localhost. root.localhost." when i try to bind my domain to server ip , in ubuntu server guide, the state like this " Change <IP_ADDRESS> to the nameserver’s IP Address and root. localhost to a valid
[02:06] <oops> email address" , what's the valid -email address ?
[02:10] <sarnold> oops: when there's errors with your domains, that's the email address people are going to use
[02:16] <oops> sarnold: i still couldn't understand the relation between the email address and the root.localhost. yet, this is the forward file :https://paste.centos.org/view/b1114327, could you teach me how to fill the root.localhost. option,
[02:16] <oops> carnold: 5 line
[02:17] <leftyfb> oops: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:17] <oops> 20.04
[02:18] <oops> Linux 888 5.8.0-55-generic #62~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 2 08:55:04 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:18] <leftyfb> oops: why are you running your own bind server?
[02:18] <oops> for learning
[02:19] <leftyfb> oops: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-bind-as-a-private-network-dns-server-on-ubuntu-14-04
[02:19] <sarnold> oops: if I'm reading this correctly, that domain doesn't exist, the top registrar is publishing an nsec3 record for it https://dnsviz.net/d/caill.top/dnssec/
[02:20] <leftyfb> oops: http://www.firewall.cx/linux-knowledgebase-tutorials/system-and-network-services/829-linux-bind-introduction.html
[02:21] <leftyfb> sarnold: I don't think the problem they are trying to solve is with one record. It's more-so understanding the syntax of bind9 records and what they all mean
[02:21] <sarnold> leftyfb: yeah, these zone files aren't the nicest..
[02:22] <leftyfb> oops: that last article I gave you is pretty detailed. Don't skim it
[02:22] <sarnold> I just wanted to make sure that oops knew that the email address given in the zone doesn't look like it'd work
[02:23] <leftyfb> sarnold: it won't. But I'm hoping they come to that conclusion on their own after reading and learning :)
[02:24] <leftyfb> sarnold: actually, the email is fine
[02:24] <sarnold> leftyfb: and now they've got a great service to use to check their zone once they get it working :)
[02:24] <leftyfb> sarnold: it's valid syntax. Not that anyone actually uses that anyway
[02:27] <oops> sarnold: the domain "caill.top" which i ordered it from china aliyu yesterday, i can search it from china whois site,but i can't search it in another foreign website ,what's the reason , is the domain name also virtual???
[02:34] <j2bv16> oops: whois in terminal its showing
[02:45] <oops> jsbv16: how to view one domain owned by me in bind configure files?
[02:54] <j2bv16> oops: No idea master. Maybe you need to keep searching
[03:00] <alzgh> I'm on Ubuntu focal. `apt upgrade` shows me that over 404 MB of additional disk space will be used. Is there a way to break this down to which packages/programs are responsible for how much of those 400 MB?
[03:01] <j2bv16> alzgh: can you use the GUI update-manager ?
[03:02] <alzgh> I'm on KDE, the updater shows me the size of each package but not their eventual size on disk.
[03:02] <Bashing-om> alzgh: ' apt show <package> ' is one way >> "Installed-Size: 4,212 kB" for one instance.
[03:03] <alzgh> this works after upgrading/installing, right?
[03:03] <Bashing-om> alzgh: No - from the repo :D
[03:03] <alzgh> YaaY :D
[03:04] <alzgh> 404MB additional disk space for an upgrade looks too much to me. Isn't it?
[03:04] <alzgh> I'm upgrading every few days.
[03:05] <alzgh> In fact did maybe yesterday or the day before.
[03:06] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Depends on how often you have kept up-2-date. As well as what to updates are.
[03:07] <alzgh> I'm updating almost daily or every other day.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> alzgh: After My update this day Autoremove one old kernel" After this operation, 377 MB disk space will be freed."
[03:09] <alzgh> Ahh, this must be it then. So, you had it too.
[03:10] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Yeah the update had several packages including the new kernel.
[03:12] <alzgh> I can at least console myself that I was suspicious of the large size :)
[03:12] <alzgh> how do I recognize the kernel from the name or... Bashing-om
[03:14] <Bashing-om> alzgh: linux-image and headers and such . be several packages.
[03:14] <alzgh> the closest looks "linux-generic-hwe-20.04"
[03:14] <alzgh> and the corresponding headers
[03:15] <alzgh> from <IP_ADDRESS>.62 to <IP_ADDRESS>.66
[03:16] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Yup that is the HWE kernel :D
[03:16] <Bashing-om> !hwe | alz
[03:17] <alzgh> just checked my current kernel with `uname -srm` and it's Linux 5.8.0-55-generic x86_64
[03:17] <alzgh> it's probably business as usual for you guys but I'm learning Linux :D
[03:18] <Bashing-om> alzgh: The GA kernel @ relase " sysop@2004x-c:~$ uname -r >> 5.4.0-77-generic".
[03:18] <Bashing-om> alzgh: This is the way you learn - ask questions and do the homework :D
[03:19] <Bashing-om> release* ^
[03:19] <alzgh> good vibes
[03:23] <alzgh> so as I understand Ubuntu LTS has a rolling kernel update policy like security updates in contrast to the stable/discrete model for applications
[03:25] <Bashing-om> alzgh: In a sense yeah - LTS releases have that ability to install the next release's kernel - supporting newer hardware.
[03:26] <alzgh> ahh, hence the name HWE
[03:27] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Uh Huh - some things do make sense :D
[03:27] <alzgh> lol
[03:28] <alzgh> Linux chad kernel update without even logging off, windows needs restart after every crap app install/uninstall
[03:29] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Me I run on old hardware - hense I have no desire for the HWE kernel - me likes tested and stable !
[03:29] <alzgh> tested and stable is mostly for the best
[03:30] <alzgh> At times tho it gets funny because say focal still has node 10 in its repository.
[03:31] <alzgh> Maybe it would be for the best to remove it or replace with a dummy or bump it up to 14 at least.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> alzgh: ' ls -al /var/run/reboot-required ' to *KNOW* if your system as set up needs rebooting.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> !latest | alzgh
[03:32] <alzgh> wouldn't apt remind me if it needed? Bashing-om
[03:33] <Bashing-om> alzgh: I run so stripped down - I do not recall if apt has a reminder for reboot.
[03:34] <alzgh> ubottu I agree. These things should be handled through third party repositories. Are `!backports, !sru, and !ppa` branches on repository or how do I access them? Sorry for my ignorance.
[03:36] <Bashing-om> alzgh: Not to know is not a sin - we were all new at one time - in your client run ' /msg ubootu !backports ' to get a start on these learning curves.
[03:38] <alzgh> Bashing-om what do I see for output of `ls -al /var/run/reboot-required ` when it needs rebooting? This is my output right now `-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 Jun 23 05:27 /var/run/reboot-required`
[03:41] <Bashing-om> alzgh: As the file exist - then yeah need to reboot the system. else there would be no return. ( now there is a procedure to avoid the needed reboot, but I rather just reboot and see what happens personally).
[03:41] <alzgh> thanks for all this information
[03:42] <Bashing-om> alzgh: NP - one day you too will "pass it on" :D
[03:42] <alzgh> :D
[07:20] <Kill-Anirnals> Can anyone help me with this compiling error?
[07:20] <Kill-Anirnals> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lrClytue/
[07:21] <Kill-Anirnals> I have ft2build.h. Not sure why Its not showing up
[07:21] <Kill-Anirnals> Do I need to add it's parent directory to PATH or something?
[07:43] <Kill-Anirnals> nevermind I think I got it
[07:47] <zamba> i have the same problem with the .desktop files not launching under the Desktop folder in ubuntu 20.04.. i have attempted to both set the files executable and the gio set <filename> metadata::trusted true, but it still just opens in the text editor
[08:15] <jmuriel> installed xterm from packages. it is weirdly slow to start up. is there a way to speed it up?
[08:16] <EriC^^> jmuriel: maybe it's running into some errors etc, worth a shot to run it from a terminal just to see if it gives any errors/warning etc
[08:17] <jmuriel> EriC^^: good idea. There is an interesting warning message: "Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Could not open network socket"
[08:18] <EriC^^> jmuriel: try "unset SESSION_MANAGER" then try launching it to see if it makes any difference
[08:19] <jmuriel> EriC^^: Yessss! you did it!
[08:19] <jmuriel> EriC^^: Is there somewhere I can learn more about this SESSION_MANAGER variable?
[08:23] <EriC^^> jmuriel: which desktop and ubuntu version are you using?
[08:24] <jmuriel> 20.04 LTS, xmonad
[08:48] <iOllieN> Hi
[08:48] <iOllieN> I am trying to bootstrap Juju  on LXD cluster and it keeps failing due to this error:
[08:48] <iOllieN> 08:44:16 DEBUG juju.provider.common bootstrap.go:282 failed to start instance in availability zone "OD-06": x509: certificate is valid for mgnt-lxd.metal.domain, mgnt-lxd-01.domain, mgnt-lxd-02.metal.domain, mgnt-lxd-03.metal.domain, not ollie-deploy
[08:48] <iOllieN>  The SSL cluster is valid for the cluster name (LXD endoint) and all 3 hosts.  Ollie-deploy is a VM i am trying to bootstrap on
[08:48] <iOllieN> The error suggests I'd need to add ollie-deploy to the SSL but this doesn't seem right. I shouldn't have to change the clusters certificates everytime I bootstrap on a machine
[08:48] <iOllieN>  If anyone is able to point me in the right direction it would be great. I've been stuck on this for days
[08:59] <oops> i set up primary dns server on my vps according ubuntu server guide (20.04) strictly, after configuring completion , i restart bind9 service , the syslog display all the zone which i set loaded, then i using "dig -x <IP_ADDRESS>" , i find the server ip is still "<IP_ADDRESS>#53," and it's not my server ip , who would like to help me to view where have errors, https://paste.centos.org/view/6053cce0
[09:49] <akik> hi, how do i install ubuntu 20.04 on an existing btrfs filesystem? i have fedora 33 installed on it now in two btrfs subvolumes
[09:53] <akik> can i mount the target filesystems before starting the installer?
[09:54] <mgedmin> this is a good question; I know that a long time ago the desktop installer supported this use case: mount an existing partition, wipe everything except /home, install new OS there
[09:55] <mgedmin> you had to do manual partitioning and uncheck the 'format' checkbox, iirc
[09:55] <mgedmin> I've never tried it myself
[09:55] <akik> i remember that for luks i did something similar but can't remember it
[09:55] <mgedmin> try the procedure in a scrath VM perhaps before you attempt it on your real machine?  and make sure you have good backups
[09:57] <akik> mgedmin: it's not the same thing then
[09:59] <akik> i found the install guide that i used with luks but the original site is gone
[09:59] <akik> http://web.archive.org/web/20180530122126/http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[10:00] <supremekai> Hey guys, in systemctl a service may be "loaded", "active" and there is also a "SUB" tab which may present "runnin" and "exited"
[10:01] <mgedmin> akik: there's also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[10:01] <supremekai> where are those services? I mean, where is the "startup" folder of this dozens of "services"?
[10:01] <akik> mgedmin: i'm not doing luks now, but btrfs on existing filesystem
[10:01] <supremekai> sorry, but what is the difference between list-units?
[10:02] <supremekai> I am very confused
[10:02] <supremekai> I tried to read some stuff but there is also init.d
[10:02] <supremekai> systemd
[10:02] <supremekai> init
[10:02] <supremekai> wow
[10:02]  * supremekai *Explodes!*
[10:05] <akik> maybe i just need to select the btrfs filesystem in the installer, then select not to format it
[10:06] <akik> but how i create the @ and @home as the installer just shows different mount points
[10:07] <xcb-02> 00
[10:08] <akik> maybe it'll work just fine
[10:13] <akik> yes it created @ and @home on the existing btrfs filesystem and it's installing now
[10:14] <akik> (and didn't remove my fedora installation :)
[10:18] <akik> it mounted @ from /dev/sda4 to /target
[10:18] <akik> ├─/target       /dev/sda4[/@] btrfs        rw,relatime,ssd,space_cache,subvolid=2161,subvol=/@
[10:21] <clarkk> Ubuntu 20.04, Gnome 3.36.8.  For about a month, possibly after installing some updates, although there were no user config changes as far as I know, the USB external mouse drag and drop of my laptop has become very unreliable, although the trackpad works as expected. It seems to deactivate the left mouse click randomly, which means that the wrong things get highlighted.  This system, and the mouse, worked fine running
[10:21] <clarkk> 18.04 for years before I installed 20.04, and then worked fine for many months on 20.04.  Does anyone have any ideas about how I could fix it? I tried closing all software and apps that are running, but it still happens. I need the external mouse for some software I use (the issue occurs regardless of whether that software is running), and this issue is generally making the whole system unusable.
[10:28] <McQuestionable> clarkk: forgive the patronising question - You're sure it's not the mouse?
[10:29] <Mekaneck> was thinking the same ^
[10:30] <akik> mgedmin: the installation worked fine on the existing btrfs filesystem
[10:30] <toddc> I lost a mouse last night and dirty usb sckets are often a issue
[10:32] <Mekaneck> or the internal contacts of the mouse itself
[10:33] <clarkk> McQuestionable, I did consider that, and I'm afraid I can't rule it out, and I don't have another one to test. There's not much to the mouse tho - no moving parts. It's Logitech, which I bought in June 2019, so not mega old.  I never remove the usb dongle, so dirt is unlikely to get in.  I replaced the batteries, but no improvement.
[10:34] <Mekaneck> clarkk:  then it's not a " USB external mouse " but a wireless mouse
[10:34] <clarkk> Mekaneck, yes, sorry for the confusion
[10:35] <alzgh> can noise and meddling of third devices or even things and the shape of place etc. have impact?
[10:36] <clarkk> alzgh, no, pretty much constantly happens. I've tried a different surface, but it doesn't help
[10:44] <McQuestionable> I've had similar things happpen with the actual internal button in the mouse dying. All I can suggest is trying the dongle on a different PC.
[10:44] <McQuestionable> it's kind of up in the air whether that's the issue though :(
[12:16] <FreeBDSM> hi. Unfortunately, I'm using sublime text as a snap. Recently snapd pulled a new version of that package and decided to switch to it. I don't like the new version and would like to remain on older version. I did `sudo snap revert sublime-text --revision 97` to switch to the older version, but now I am worried that as soon as snapd will pull an even newer version - it will again automatically switch me to that version AND will delete the
[12:16] <FreeBDSM> older version due to system.refresh.retain=2. How to tell snapd to 'freeze' on this specific version forever and stop even checking for updates for it?
[12:18] <ogra> you cant ...
[12:18] <mgedmin> disconnect the machine from the internet and never connect it again
[12:18] <ogra> you can delay it for max 60 days but eventually snapd will enforce the upgrade so you dont stay on a potentially insecure version
[12:22] <akik> FreeBDSM: https://popey.com/blog/2021/05/disabling-snap-autorefresh/
[12:22] <akik> so there are alternate facts
[12:25] <ogra> akik, well, rather hacks ... but yeah, all of these work
[12:27] <ogra> the only one that permanently disables updates is installing with --dangerous ... but that wont work for an already gone snap that you cnt download anymore from the store
[12:28] <ogra> all other described ways on that blog will force-refresh after 60days
[12:29] <rbasak> If you have it locally, you can grab the snap download from /var/lib/snapd/snaps
[12:30] <rbasak> Then install that using --dangerous.
[12:30] <rbasak> Not sure how to "unack" though?
[12:30] <ogra> yeah, that might work
[12:31] <ogra> you just take a snapshot and purge the snap ... then install it from the snap file and restore the snapshot
[12:31] <ogra> removal will "unack"
[12:33] <ogra> ... but perhaps just installing over the existing one with --dangreous is enough
[12:33]  * ogra never felt the need to hold snaps forever 🙂
[12:37] <rbasak> Sometimes upstreams make significant breaking changes that users don't like. Maybe a more common occurrence is an obscure bug that regressions just a small subset of users but is difficult to pin down to get fixed upstream.
[12:38] <ogra> well, upstreams that "listen to their users" might simply use a track t provide the older version ...
[12:39] <ogra> snap is after all likely the most upstream centric packaging system out there 🙂
[12:41] <popey> ogra the last step in the blog post disables 60 days refresh
[12:42] <ogra> popey, that script ?
[12:42] <popey> ogra yes.
[12:42]  * ogra looks
[12:43] <popey> It just builds snapd from source with the 60-day number pushed much higher
[12:43] <ogra> oh my ... by patching snapd on the fly !
[12:43] <ogra> yeah, i see that
[12:43] <ogra> i had admittedly not looked at the script 🙂
[12:43] <popey> I've been running patched snapd for months, since last year. So I have control of refreshes
[12:46] <ogra> well, you likely want to wrap some cron stuff around that to re-build each new snapd
[12:47] <ogra> so you dont fall behind
[12:47] <popey> yup, i update whenever a new snapd is in candidate
[12:48] <ogra> ubuntu ... so userfriendly we are ... !
[12:48] <ogra> 😄
[12:48] <akik> popey: you wrote that the snap download and ack doesn't work to disable the update. didn't that work before?
[12:48] <ogra> no
[12:48] <ogra> once you ack a snap it will always refresh from the store
[12:48] <ogra> has always been like that
[12:48] <popey> Exactly
[12:49] <rbasak> > cron stuff around that
[12:49] <rbasak> With git-ubuntu keeping a snapd repo up-to-date, I think it might be possible to use a Launchpad build recipe to do that automatically in a PPA for you now.
[12:49] <ogra> initial install with --dangerous (or the more dangerous !! --devmode) alsways disables refreshes
[12:49] <rbasak> I've not got round to looking into that.
[12:49] <akik> oh right so it's the --dangerous option that does it
[12:49] <rbasak> But it'd be nice to be able to "auto-patch" anything in Ubuntu.
[12:50] <popey> The thing that caught me once was a new snapd landing in the deb archive, which overrode my patched snapd snap.
[12:50] <popey> so now I pin the deb too
[12:50] <ogra> right, originally --dangerous was called --sideload ... but some architect didnt like the term being so similar to android wording
[12:51]  * ogra still thinks --sideload describes what happens a lot better
[12:53] <rbasak> I think I prefer --dangerous. This is the sort of thing that third parties tell users to type. --dangerous better conveys that security updates might be disabled. --sideload sounds like a technical term that users won't understand.
[12:53] <rbasak> This is from the perspective that --dangerous is a general flag like --force.
[12:53] <rbasak> Rather than a specific instruction.
[12:54] <ogra> well, but --dangerous is still rather safe ... just means "not acked" ... whie --devmode gives you the same as dangerous plus disabled confinement
[12:55] <ogra> i.e. --devmode is far more "dangerous" 🙂
[12:55] <rbasak> Perhaps --devmode should require --dangerous then?
[12:55] <ogra> it implies it ... without telling you
[12:55] <rbasak> Perhaps --devmode should require --dangerous then? :)
[12:57] <ogra> heh
[12:59] <V|A> how about --redflag 2 letters less
[12:59] <ogra> but a little cryptic
[12:59] <V|A> doesnt have to be dangerous if the person knows what hes doing
[12:59] <V|A> dunno its a wartning sign
[13:00] <V|A> --warning is same latter count
[13:00] <V|A> e+
[13:10] <Aavar> Hi. I have an urgent issue with snaps/lxd. I have a few snaps (uncluding core and lxc) that has been dissabled for some reason. What can I do?
[13:13] <DODO11> vous parlez le français
[13:14] <ogra> Aavar, open a post in forum.snapcraft.io
[13:14] <DODO11>  ou l'anglais
[13:14] <ogra> Aavar, in the snapd category
[13:14] <ogra> !fr
[13:22] <Aavar> ogra: thank you. I will.
[13:23] <ogra> Aavar, yep, i see it 🙂
[13:28] <Aavar> ogra: seems I get everything working every other day on this system...
[13:28] <ogra> weird
[13:31] <Aavar> I am not a Professional, so it's my own faul ;)
[13:31] <Aavar> I guess...
[13:31] <ogra> unlikely ...
[13:31] <ogra> i replied on the forum btw ... check if you can enable them again
[13:31] <ogra> if not, there needs to be some research how you got into that state
[13:32] <ogra> btw, there is also a #snappy channel
[13:32] <jailbreak> so, with lxqt and xfce, on 20.04.2 I can install libexo-1-0 and right click thunar and open bash/sakura. I can't do this with 21.04 because it installs libexo-2-0. why is this?
[13:33] <jailbreak> I took a screenshot: https://i.postimg.cc/HLxGK7hr/Screenshot-from-2021-06-23-14-32-54.png
[13:37] <Aavar> ogra: ohh... so it's the old ones that are dissabled. Then there is a different issue.
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:47] <jailbreak> for anyone else, I had to install: sudo apt install xfce4-settings --no-install-recommends
[13:48] <wez> OK
[13:48] <wez> thn
[13:48] <wez> x
[13:48] <jailbreak> wez, ?
[13:48] <wez> Thanks
[13:53] <jailbreak> thanks?
[13:57] <wez> jailbreak: Yes, thank you.
[14:02] <jailbreak> wez, you lost? thank you for what?
[14:03] <wez> 23:47 < jailbreak> for anyone else, I had to install: sudo apt install xfce4-settings --no-install-recommends
[14:03] <wez> Thank you for the advice.
[14:27] <rrr> if DNS server is on a wireless-network apart from my computer can I forward its capabilities through another device connected to both networks?
[14:28] <rapha> hi all
[14:29] <rapha> under ubuntu 20.04 LTS Server, what is the proper way of having OpenVPN run the .conf files in /etc/openvpn/ and/or /etc/openvpn/{client,server}/ on system startup?
[14:34] <rbasak> I think, for /etc/openvpn/foo.conf, you can do "sudo systemctl enable openvpn@foo" and that's the simplest and most straightforward way of doing it. I've not tested this though (I run mine on demand, manually, rather than at startup).
[14:34] <rbasak>  /etc/openvpn/{client,server}/ isn't supported by the default configuration shipped by packaging.
[14:35] <rbasak> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1917170 for details on that.
[14:35] <rbasak> I'm guessing that's a change upstream made after the packaging in Debian was originally written, but I'm not sure.
[14:42] <AlexMcLellan> Hi, I have a question about the root authority certificates in `/etc/ssl/certs`. I know that the certificates typically come from `/usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla`, but I appear to have a few more in there entitled things like 0a775a30.0. What package have these come from?
[14:48] <goddard> what video codecs does firefox need to play videos?
[14:51] <AlexMcLellan> Actually, specifically the `/usr/share/ca-certificates.crt` file
[15:02] <GreyArea> Hi, I'm trying to install the version of Ansible for focal mentioned in https://launchpad.net/~ansible/+archive/ubuntu/ansible?field.series_filter=focal (`2.10.11-1ppa~focal`)
[15:02] <GreyArea> I've followed the steps on that page to add the repository but when I update and then do a `apt-cache policy ansible` I only seem to be offered `2.9.6+dfsg-1`
[15:06] <rapha> rbasak: aaah perfect, i was looking for info like that bug report, thank you!
[15:07] <rapha> it'd help if there was simply a README or so in /etc/openvpn/ mentioning to not use those subdirs for now
[15:09] <rbasak> rapha: you're welcome! The usual place to look for information is in /usr/share/doc/openvpn/. Is there anything there?
[15:12] <rapha> rbasak: there is indeed a README.systemd there which seems to have the info needed to make the subdirs work. never thought of looking in /usr/share/ though ... too used to Alpine Linux perhaps, which doesn't have man pages or other docs in the filesystem for space constraints.
[15:13] <rbasak> rapha: it's the Debian/Ubuntu standard for docs to be in /usr/share/doc/<package>
[15:13] <rbasak> Keeps things distinct from /etc, where extra care applies which is painful for maintainers - preserving user configuration changes, etc.
[15:14] <rapha> relieved though, because now, if there's a power outage, i'll have access ot that box again ... the only way i can get into it is by it dialling home through that pesky http/s proxy
[15:14] <rapha> does make sense rbasak ... and ubuntu leaving docs out of its packages wouldn't make very much sense either
[15:16] <rapha> if now i can figure out how to make storcli talk to the raid controller, all will be good
[15:30] <rapha> onoes
[15:31] <rapha> does anyone know how i could confirm whether ubuntu might have followed suit with RHEL and dropped support for "03:00.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Broadcom / LSI MegaRAID SAS 2208 [Thunderbolt] [1000:005b] (rev 05)"?
[16:02] <rrr> What does the error:  bind9 : Depends: bind9-libs (= 1:9.16.1-0ubuntu2) but 1:9.16.1-0ubuntu2.8 is to be installed mean? I have upgraded without issue, but I can't install some programs?
[16:03] <rrr> does this pertain to a dist-upgrade?
[16:05] <ioria> rrr, pleasew,paste apt-cache policy bind9-libs | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:10] <rrr> ioria, https://termbin.com/hdat
[16:11] <ioria> rrr,  apt-cache policy bind9 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:12] <rrr> https://termbin.com/1xwn
[16:14] <ioria> rrr, i'am not really into ports.ubuntu.com or arm things; but you might need to add  focal-updates to your sources-list
[16:15] <rrr> oh.
[16:31] <theseb> How debug why a long running AWS Ubuntu Linux server would need rebooting due to freezing last 2 days?  /var/log/syslog and dmesg don't seem to give many clues
[16:39] <Alabalistic_> theseb:
[16:40] <Alabalistic_> hi interesting question, was VM freeze or Aplication problem
[16:45] <plops> I have a VPS running OpenVPN and would like to run a webserver from it to test a few projects. Is there a way to block all connections to the server except those from my VPN?
[16:45] <plops> Meaning, I connect to my VPN, then I can connet to my webserver, otherwise all connections even my home connection are rejected
[16:45] <Alabalistic_> plops:  AWS
[16:46] <Alabalistic_> you can do it in VM level using ufw Uncomplicated FireWall
[16:47] <Alabalistic_> first allow your VPN ports, then enable it
[16:47] <plops> Yeah i've been experimenting with that. If I allow only connections to port 80 from VPN IP that should work?
[16:48] <Alabalistic_> yes I believe so
[16:50] <Alabalistic_> but something not sound right
[16:51] <Alabalistic_> I use vpn to trasnform dinamic IP from the open internet to static ip in a local network
[16:53] <Alabalistic_> Punch a hole in my firewall for vpn connections only from there you work normaly in a LAN with private IPs
[16:54] <Alabalistic_> WireGuard is very simple btw, I never used openVPN
[16:58] <theseb> Alabalistic_: application hasn't been touched in a while so seems like VM problem?
[16:59] <Alabalistic_> check your cloud watch metrics, otrer is cloud trail,
[17:01] <theseb> Alabalistic_: i see 2 times the cpu % spiked up to 100%..will that crash that machine?
[17:03] <Alabalistic_> theseb:  I vould check this time window in logs and try to figure out, it can be lots of things.
[17:05] <Alabalistic_> in the cloud you must consider your servers as a cattel not as pets, so try to keep it as vanila as possible and Configuration management system can be handy.
[17:07] <Alabalistic_> I can help you with creating a simple ansible playbook which can install your application on a VPS with a mouse click, just looking for some project in ansible.
[17:07] <theseb> weird i never had this problem before...the 100% last for about 2 hrs in the evenings (my time) each time....something blasts the cpu for 2 hrs
[17:08] <theseb> Alabalistic_: thanks but hopefully i don't need to keep rebuilding the server over this
[17:09] <Alabalistic_> do you use snaps, they update twice a day
[17:09] <theseb> Alabalistic_: let me check
[17:09] <Alabalistic_> sudo snap list
[17:09] <theseb> Alabalistic_: yes
[17:10] <theseb> Alabalistic_: but snap shouldn't take down my system...it isn't just frozen for this 2 hrs but always thereafter
[17:10] <Alabalistic_> they update but yes not taking a system down
[17:10] <theseb> Alabalistic_: newbie question but /var/log/syslog is the only/main place to look yes?
[17:13] <Alabalistic_> can't tell. my log reading game is not any good
[17:19] <theseb> Alabalistic_: ok ;)
[17:20] <theseb> Alabalistic_: checking the time window in the logs that cloudwatch shows the cpu spike was brilliant..i can see all the out of memory stuff in the logs
[17:20] <theseb> Alabalistic_: thanks for that
[17:21] <FreeBDSM> ogra: akik: thanks
[17:22] <FreeBDSM> so now I want to migrate away from snap, how do I migrate my data?
[17:22] <FreeBDSM> ~/snap/ doesn't contain jack shit
[17:23] <Mekaneck> mind the attitude a bit
[17:23] <FreeBDSM> /snap/* seems to contain the program itself, not my data ('profile'/'settings')
[17:23] <FreeBDSM> Mekaneck: attitude towards what?
[17:23] <FreeBDSM> snap is crap
[17:23] <Mekaneck> that kind of attitude
[17:24] <FreeBDSM> are you robbing me of having negative opinion on stuff?
[17:24] <Mekaneck> just drop it. If you don't like it than that's your opinion
[17:24] <FreeBDSM> screw off
[17:24] <Mekaneck> again mind your attitudez
[17:25] <FreeBDSM> put me to ignore or go wank a cup of tea
[17:25] <FreeBDSM> drink*
[17:25] <Mekaneck> dude... keep th IRC Rules and guidelines in mind
[17:25] <Alabalistic_> FreeBDSM:  chrck you /var
[17:26] <FreeBDSM> Alabalistic_: it contains just dirs that match versions of snap packages
[17:26] <FreeBDSM> they seem to be empty
[17:26] <Alabalistic_> what kind of data do you have
[17:26] <FreeBDSM> yeah, they are
[17:27] <Alabalistic_> which snap do you use
[17:27] <FreeBDSM> Alabalistic_: I don't know. I want to migrate my sublime text 3 profile, because they decided to ruin it and I just learned that snap is such a crap that I just can't tell it to 'freeze' a package like I do with a proper package manager
[17:27] <FreeBDSM> I have no idea where it stored the data
[17:28] <Alabalistic_> ask google: sublime snap where the data is stored
[17:28] <FreeBDSM> have been doing it for the past 40 min
[17:28] <FreeBDSM> 'it is in /var/snap' no it isn't
[17:28] <thyriaen> my destop files in .local/share/applicasions do no longer appear in the menu
[17:29] <FreeBDSM> menus are broken since the start
[17:29] <FreeBDSM> I don't rely on .desktop files at all
[17:30] <thyriaen> FreeBDSM, Thanks for your Help !
[17:32] <Alabalistic_> FreeBDSM:  just installed sublimetext safes the files in your home
[17:33] <FreeBDSM> Alabalistic_: ah, so ~/.config/sublime-text-3 is used by snap?
[17:33] <FreeBDSM> then, I guess there should be no migration needed, just deleting snapd and installing sublimetext from a .deb
[17:34] <FreeBDSM> will only sacrifice scrcpy then :(
[17:34] <FreeBDSM> but maybe I'll make docker to build a .deb of it for me
[17:41] <oerheks> or go into software > installed > sublimetext > permissions
[17:44] <FreeBDSM> yay, sublimetext still works and it hooked my profile&settings!
[17:45] <FreeBDSM> thanks for help! successfully removed snapd!
[18:18] <iffraff> Hi, I'm trying to install the .net framework 4.5 on ubuntu and I can't seem to find any info on how to do that.  Does anyone know or know where I should ask/look?
[18:26] <toddc> iffraff: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-ubuntu
[18:28] <iffraff> toddc: thank you but I'm trying to install .net framework 4.5.  I have installed .net core 5.0  but when I try to build my app it says " The reference assemblies for .NETFramework,Version=v4.5 were not found"
[18:29] <Sayona> Hi, I have UUID=3ADAE5F6DAE5AE77 /mnt/backup     ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       0 added by ubuntu. but I cannot create folders/files there... I need to do something manually?
[18:31] <oerheks> Sayona, what gives 'id' ? are you member of 'plugdev' ?
[18:32] <Sayona> oerheks, yes I am.
[18:32] <oerheks> else the partition might be dirty, filesystem errors ... use fsck to correct these
[18:33] <oerheks> sudo ntfsfix /dev/something
[18:34] <Sayona> ah
[18:35] <Sayona> Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk.
[18:35] <oerheks> better from windows, yes
[18:36] <Sayona> :|
[18:37] <MrKeuner> hi, installed JDK 16 from Ubuntu Software center via snapcraft.io
[18:37] <MrKeuner> Cannot locate the JAVA_HOME can you help?
[18:38] <Sayona> oerheks, is ugly :(
[18:40] <MrKeuner> ah, binaries are named openjdk.java... etc for some reason.
[18:40] <akik> MrKeuner: JAVA_HOME was used with oracle java when you installed it from a zip file. do you absolutely need it?
[18:41] <MrKeuner> Curious why but that would work, too.
[18:41] <MrKeuner> akik, all I wanted is to use update-alternatives to set default jdk to the one I got from Sanp
[18:41] <MrKeuner> That's why I was looking where they are installed
[18:42] <akik> MrKeuner: use your package manager to see "dpkg -l" lists all installed packages and "dpkg -L package" lists its files
[18:42] <MrKeuner> akik, doesn't seem to show ones I got from snap
[18:43] <akik> ubuntu packages java into snap now?
[18:43] <MrKeuner> Which makes sense as snap is a different packagge manager
[18:43] <akik> jesus
[18:43] <MrKeuner> No they still have jdk in their repo, actually they have lots more 8,11,13,14,16 I think
[18:43] <MrKeuner> I just noticed that while searching for install path of the snap one
[19:54] <src> iffraff: curious, have you solved your issue?
[20:17] <VMGuy234> Conky Manager v2.72 doesn't seem to be workin
[20:17] <VMGuy234> *working
[20:19] <oerheks> not sure conky works on wayland..
[20:19] <VMGuy234> Cinnamon
[20:19] <VMGuy234> On Ubuntu 21.04
[20:20] <VMGuy234> Conky itself works, but it shows a basic system info panel instead of the nice clock widget i selected
[20:21] <oerheks> longest tread on ubuntuforum, 2348 pages and growing https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2348
[20:21] <oerheks> post your conky on paste.ubuntu.com?
[20:22] <arkanoid> Hello! Simple question. I'm writing to AT modem via simple echo commands "echo AT > /dev/ttyUSB1". It works if I do it in sudo shell (sudo -i), but it says "Device or resource busy" without sudo. Problem is that ls -la /dev/ttyUSB1 is 0660 gid 20/dialout, and user is in dialout group
[20:23] <arkanoid> what's the difference here? Permission says it should be possible to write as group
[20:23] <VMGuy234> oerheks: i have no idea how to configure it other than conky manager
[20:25] <arkanoid> solved
[20:25] <jamesp> VMGuy234 what is conky?
[20:26] <VMGuy234> jamesp: a thing to put widgets on the desktop
[20:26] <jamesp> oh now I remember
[20:27] <SuperLag> Has the way to customize the MOTD changed? is it not /etc/motd or /etc/motd.tail anymore?
[20:28] <oerheks> super see /etc/update-motd.d  https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-welcome-message-motd-on-ubuntu-18-04-server
[20:29] <oerheks> to avoid clutter, custom configs are now in the .d folder, like /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[20:30] <SuperLag> oerheks: thank ye :)
[20:31] <VMGuy234> i have no idea how to get my widget going i just want a nice looking desktop
[20:37] <pycurious> I'm trying to optimize my boot time (mostly unsuspend time) for an ubuntu box. Its currently at 30seconds.
[20:40] <Alabalistic_> sudo dmesg to catch the offenders, but 30 is not bad
[20:40] <Alabalistic_> on slow ssd I have about that on kubuntu and 3 gen i5
[20:40] <oerheks> indeed, even 'preload' does not really change that
[20:40] <oerheks> !info preload
[20:42] <oerheks> systemd-analyze blame or systemd-analyze plot > filename.svg # gives a nice view what is going on
[20:42] <oerheks> journalctl -b -0 shows messages from the current boot
[20:43] <oerheks> -1 from previous boot, to compare
[20:43] <oerheks> no need to 'defrag' :-D
[20:43] <SuperLag> Alabalistic_: is there such a thing as a slow SSD? :D
[20:44] <oerheks> any ssd will do, the accesstime of 0 ms is great
[20:44] <Alabalistic_> you have SATA and mSATA this is slow
[20:44] <Alabalistic_> and m.2 this is faster
[20:44] <Alabalistic_> problem is on the SATA interface,
[20:44] <Alabalistic_> 6Gb/s
[20:45] <SuperLag> I'm asking mostly tongue-in-cheek. I know there are faster technologies... but compared to HDD, any SSD is blazing fast.
[20:45] <Alabalistic_> m.2 is connected direct to the PCI slot and there speeds depends on other stuff lines and ... I don't know much about
[20:46] <SuperLag> I tell people going from HDD to SDD is the single best upgrade you can make to consumer machines. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:46] <Alabalistic_> yes this is true
[20:50] <pycurious> oerheks: Alabalistic_ Thanks! Let me do some digging and see if i can improve the 30s I currently have. I was using systemd-analyze blame to switch off things on the machine. I am suspending/unsuspending a machine on aws which runs ubuntu 20.04lts. Am trying to optimize speed of unsuspend.
[20:51] <Alabalistic_> you mean cloud machine?
[20:56] <Alabalistic_> pycurious: what is your image,  and AMI type
[20:56] <pycurious> Alabalistic_: I'm using a ubuntu 20.04lts image
[20:58] <Alabalistic_> let me log in AWS and check somthing
[20:59] <Alabalistic_> Minimal Ubuntu 20.04 LTS - Focal
[20:59] <Alabalistic_> check this out in marketplace
[21:03] <oerheks>  machine on aws ... lolz, do you think it speeds up?
[21:03] <Alabalistic_> then check the 3 gen ssd gp3 as storage option and lets see
[21:04] <Alabalistic_> pycurious:  I created a instance, now tell me how to benchmark it
[21:05] <Alabalistic_> is there some application on it?
[21:11] <pycurious> Alabalistic_: I had to write something to time the reboots/unsuspend/suspend. Here is my current systemd blame: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ndRyV7vxdM/
[21:11] <pycurious> oerheks: The initial boot time for this machine was 90 seconds!
[21:12] <pycurious> oerheks: 	journalctl -b -0 —> Hibernation is not considered a boot? I see the list starting here from May instead of today?
[21:13] <Alabalistic_> I run the ubuntu minimal from the marketplace, there was licence I had to apply to but the image is free
[21:14] <Alabalistic_> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Amazon-EC2-July-2018-Boot-Times
[21:14] <Alabalistic_> there is some old data
[21:14] <Alabalistic_> on boot time
[21:16] <pycurious> oerheks: journalctl -t systemd-sleep —> This is not giving much info.
[21:19] <Alabalistic_> 22 sec for ubuntu minimal
[21:19] <Alabalistic_> on gp3 ebs storage is my best
[21:23] <pycurious> Alabalistic_: is that boot/startup time ? or resume time?
[21:24] <Alabalistic_> boot
[21:24] <Alabalistic_> there is a gap between 16 and 22 seconds,
[21:24] <akik> pycurious: what's boot number -0 ?
[21:26] <akik> pycurious: journalctl --list-boots shows they go from 0 to negative -1 -2
[21:27] <pycurious> akik: I'm looking to optimize "resume"
[21:28] <akik> pycurious: i mean journalctl might get confused if you use -0 instead of 0
[21:28] <alzgh> I'm on Ubuntu focal. I have a second drive that isn't mounted by default but is listed in my file browser and mounts for the session after the first click. I know I can make it mount on startup using fstab. I'm more curious to know where the current configuration is help and which program does it?
[21:28] <alzgh> Thanks in advance
[21:29] <matsaman> alzgh: /etc/fstab is a text file
[21:29] <matsaman> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/fstab.5.html
[21:30] <alzgh> I know that and what it does. I'm looking to learn where the current situation is configured.
[21:31] <matsaman> the stuff that makes it show up in your file manager and mount if you click it?
[21:31] <matsaman> that's probably udisks automagic
[21:31] <alzgh> yes
[21:31] <alzgh> OK, gonna look into that, thanks
[21:34] <src> I have a path in my $PATH I want to purge, but so far without success
[21:34] <src> where could this have been set besides ~/.profile and ~/.bashrc ?
[21:35] <src> and when editing both files simply doing $ source .profile ; should update it then permanently for current session correct?
[21:37] <src> (oh and I run 21.04 with default bash, bash version 5.1.4(1)-release)
[21:40] <src> well, this is getting on my nervers, I will relog in, I have nothing too important running atm, back in a sec
[21:42] <src> now it's really getting on my nerves
[21:42] <matsaman> src: what's the path, can you say?
[21:43] <src> matsaman: https://termbin.com/pmwu komodo needs to go
[21:44] <matsaman> src: you don't see it in this?: grep -Hi komodo ~/.*
[21:45] <src> matsaman: I found an .activestate dir that has to go, it's in my .bash_history, besides that ... it's in .viminfo
[21:45] <matsaman> the nuclear option, of course, is: fgrep -HIir 'komodoide/12.0/XRE/state' /
[21:45] <matsaman> definitely worth running against ~/ first though
[21:46] <matsaman> it's possible it weaseled its way into your system-level shell profile, I guess
[21:46] <matsaman> I don't think a non-3rd-party Ubuntu package would do that, however
[21:47] <src> it's 3rd party
[21:47] <src> I can't say 100% sure but I think I used their shell script for installation
[21:47] <src> (please no lectures, I know...)
[21:48] <alzgh> akshually :D
[21:48] <matsaman> src: okay, yeah that's probably why you're in this mess =P
[21:48] <matsaman> src: fgrep -HIir 'komodoide/12.0/XRE/state' /etc/
[21:49] <matsaman> alternatively, if you still have the shell script, it will likely be apparent how it's done from reading it
[21:49] <matsaman> but the bottom line is that very likely somewhere is the exact string 'komodoide/12.0/XRE/state' in a text file
[21:50] <alzgh> how is  PATH created? aggregated from all sources or last wins?
[21:50] <matsaman> slightly less likely it might be dynamically generated
[21:50] <src> currently running a search
[21:51] <matsaman> last wins, but it's a variable that can be read and manipulated, so people and organizations are free to complicated it as they like
[21:51] <src> matsaman: I have export PATH="$PATH:/home/kb/.komodoide/12.0/XRE/state" in my .viminfo
[21:51] <matsaman> it could even be something horrible like PATH=foo:bar:`evaluate special nonsense without referring to 'komodo' at all`:baz
[21:51] <matsaman> but I doubt it's that
[21:51] <matsaman> src: nah that's not it
[21:52] <matsaman> src: I would check ~/.* (without -r / recursing), and then /etc/, and then ~/ (with -r / recursing), and then /
[21:52] <matsaman> that is, /etc/ with -r =)
[21:52] <matsaman> and /
[21:53] <matsaman> but in that order
[21:54] <src> on it
[21:54] <matsaman> if you're done with the app, it might be worth finding the installer/install script anyway, though
[21:54] <matsaman> as you might be missing other crufty bits you'd probably be best to remove
[21:55] <src> it's not on my system anymore
[21:55]  * matsaman shrugs
[21:55] <src> there's one IDE I will never use out of principle :P
[21:55] <DeeJay2>  /join #docker
[21:55] <DeeJay2> err...
[21:55] <DeeJay2> sorry
[21:56] <alzgh> src what is it?
[21:56] <src> alzgh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_IDE
[21:57] <src> wasn't my cup of tea anyways
[21:57] <alzgh> what was it doing on your system then :)
[21:57] <src> how would I know if it was or wasn't
[21:58] <src> using vscode until onivim is in a usable state and maybe giving that a spin
[21:59] <src> but I'm done with pretty much any other editor/IDE... I've been exploring once more lately and vscode is hard to beat for a single stop solution
[21:59] <alzgh> yeah, onivim intrigued me truly
[21:59] <ice9> how can I pair apple airpods pro with Linux?
[21:59] <src> only IDE I might give a spin at some point is jetbrains (supposed to be awesome for hard debugging problems)
[22:00] <src> alzgh: yeah seems pretty awesome
[22:00] <Alabalistic_> ice9: do they use bluethoot
[22:01] <ice9> Alabalistic_, of course
[22:01] <Alabalistic_> then put them in peer mode and connect them as any other bluethoot
[22:02] <ice9> Alabalistic_,  i'm trying to pair it from gnome settings and it just spins for a while and nothing happens
[22:02] <sixwheeledbeast> they should work with limited functionality
[22:09] <ice9> it's working now as speaker only and mic doesn't work, any idea?
[22:10] <sixwheeledbeast> search engine says: https://reckoning.dev/blog/airpods-pro-ubuntu/
[22:11] <sixwheeledbeast> :shrug: if that works, seems to use ofono
[22:14] <src> matsaman: thanks a lot btw for trying to help
[22:15] <src> I will leave it for another day it seems, I've wasted too much time with this already, but even the searches did not turn up something obvious to me
[22:22] <ice9> I'm getting so many messages of "Lockdown: systemd-logind: hibernation is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7" so what is triggering hibernation since i'm using the laptop?