[11:58] <pretorian> :-X
[17:50] <Iowan> back - JIT
[17:50] <elfy> :)
[17:50] <s-fox> superb
[17:51] <s-fox> cariboo907 and coffeecat are also here
[17:51] <Iowan> 10... 9...
[17:51] <Celene> 8
[17:52] <s-fox> 8 now? ;)
[17:52] <Celene> should be at zero already :P
[17:52] <s-fox> hello howefield :)
[17:52] <howefield> :)
[17:53] <cariboo907> good day howefield
[17:53] <Iowan> ...7
[17:53] <howefield> hi cariboo907 :)
[17:53] <Celene> 6
[17:55] <s-fox> 5
[17:55] <Celene> 4
[17:57] <elfy> 4?
[17:57] <s-fox> 3
[17:57] <elfy> 4 what?
[17:57] <Iowan> minutes
[17:57] <s-fox> by my reckon
[17:57] <Iowan> now 3
[17:57] <s-fox> ing
[17:57] <elfy> oic
[17:57] <elfy> is it not 18:00 then?
[17:57] <s-fox> coffeecat you about yet?
[17:57] <Iowan> we're all anxious
[17:58] <elfy> or obnoxious
[17:58] <s-fox> we're all early, you know given we have been "elsewhere" for about 30 minutes or so
[17:58] <coffeecat> o/
[17:58] <s-fox> hey coffeecat , just wanted to check you were "here"
[17:58] <Celene> it says one minute here :D
[17:58] <Iowan> 2 by mine
[17:59] <Celene> hey nothingspecial
[17:59] <nothingspecial> hi Celene
[17:59] <s-fox> are we already to start?
[17:59] <elfy> yep
[17:59] <Iowan> Yes!!!
[17:59] <s-fox> cariboo907,  coffeecat , Iowan elfy  s-fox ?
[17:59] <coffeecat> yep
[18:00] <Iowan> o/
[18:00] <elfy> o/
[18:00] <s-fox> alright.... here we go :D
[18:00] <cariboo907> o/
[18:00] <s-fox> #startmeeting
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[18:00] <s-fox> #voters coffeecat cariboo907 elfy Iowan s-fox
[18:00] <meetingology> Current voters: Iowan cariboo907 coffeecat elfy s-fox
[18:00] <s-fox> #topic Ubuntu Forums FC meeting
[18:01] <s-fox> #topic Tutorials and Tips Forum - followup
[18:02] <s-fox> we tried to get this sorted in the last meeting, but we needed more discussion.  we went and did that and now i think we are ready to go
[18:02] <s-fox> this is coffeecat s item,  so you go :)
[18:03] <coffeecat> I think the thread says it all: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2061708
[18:03] <elfy> for the benefit of non staff members can I pecise what we talked about
[18:04] <coffeecat> We can adjust permissions of the old T&T forum to allow posting to old threads but not new ones for a transition period.
[18:04] <s-fox> i personally am in support of changing the posting permissions
[18:04] <cariboo907> +1 from me too, I thought it was already done :)
[18:04] <s-fox> alright, anyone mind if we skip to the vote?
[18:05] <Iowan> I have no real opinion, but will support
[18:05] <s-fox> i want to keep things moving and not stalled ;)
[18:05] <Iowan> OK here
[18:05] <coffeecat> OK
[18:05] <elfy> +1 to that
[18:05] <cariboo907> +1
[18:05] <s-fox> #vote change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ?
[18:05] <meetingology> Please vote on: change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ?
[18:05] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:05] <s-fox> +1
[18:05] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:05] <coffeecat> +1
[18:05] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:05] <cariboo907> +1
[18:05] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:05] <elfy> +1
[18:05] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:05] <Iowan> +1
[18:05] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:05] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:06] <meetingology> Voting ended on: change permissions on T&T thread as outlined by coffeecat ?
[18:06] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:06] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:06] <s-fox> woot :D
[18:06] <coffeecat> :)
[18:06] <cariboo907> Yay
[18:06] <Iowan> next...
[18:06] <s-fox> next item is the upgrade.
[18:06] <s-fox> AFAIK the plugin is done and some kind of launchpad permissions thing is the blocker
[18:06] <s-fox> anyone know anymore than i do about it?
[18:07] <elfy> well that's quite straight forward s-fox
[18:07] <elfy> waiting for IS to deal with 12.10 before they do more
[18:07] <cariboo907> IF it is working properly, I should be able to get the license number from kylebaker
[18:07] <elfy> but it'sa lot closer than it was
[18:08] <s-fox> hmm, okay.  maybe one of us should ping jorge?
[18:08] <s-fox> i don't want to seem pushy or anything but we were here first and we're nearly finally ready
[18:09] <elfy> I can talk to IS next week s-fox
[18:09] <s-fox> thanks elfy
[18:09] <s-fox> move on ?
[18:09] <coffeecat> Do we need to pre-warn/involve TV for the theming?
[18:09] <elfy> would like to see lay of land afore I move to whining
[18:09] <Celene> coffeecat: we can test that in the test forum
[18:09] <s-fox> coffeecat,  pass.  wouldn't be a bad idea to keep in the loop
[18:09] <coffeecat> Yes, it might happen all very quickly and the theme break! :)
[18:09] <elfy> indeed
[18:10] <s-fox> just realised something...
[18:10] <Iowan> I'll save questions/comments about "beans" for later
[18:10] <s-fox> #topic Upgrade update ;)
[18:10] <s-fox> lol
[18:10] <s-fox> i am going to move on anyway...
[18:10] <s-fox> #topic layout change followup
[18:11] <s-fox> coffeecat and elfy have done a great job moving things around. thank you!
[18:11] <s-fox> it seems a lot more logical now
[18:11] <cariboo907> +1 from me
[18:11] <s-fox> anything to add?
[18:11] <coffeecat> Spring clean time! Great fun. :)
[18:11] <cariboo907> it also seems to be easier to add sub-forums
[18:11] <Iowan> Is that gonna mess up my GM scripts?
[18:11] <elfy> hope not Iowan
[18:11] <s-fox> it has.. i am working on a fix for the move script Iowan
[18:12] <elfy> it's mess mine too - not done so yet
[18:12] <s-fox> i hit a little issue and then was rather unwell so hopefully will get on top of it soon
[18:12] <s-fox> moving on...
[18:12] <s-fox> #topic New User Restriction
[18:13] <elfy> would like to talk to you about the scripts at some point s-fox
[18:13] <s-fox> alright elfy  can do :)
[18:13] <elfy> k
[18:13] <elfy> users restrictions is an easy one too
[18:13] <Iowan> vote?
[18:13] <s-fox> now that we have made us a little more spam proof there has been talk of lowering some of the post counts needed to unlock the cp
[18:14] <elfy> propose dropping level - gioven we can change when we need to
[18:14] <elfy> without coming to a meeting to do it
[18:14] <s-fox> i think it has been discussed by the team at length and generally we agree so time to vote...
[18:14] <Iowan> Threads/ welcome message will need to be changed
[18:14] <elfy> yep
[18:14] <s-fox> naturally, but that is easy
[18:14] <Iowan> yep
[18:14] <elfy> Iowan: I had foreseen that
[18:15] <Iowan> easily fixed
[18:15] <elfy> yea
[18:15] <s-fox> #vote adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread?
[18:15] <meetingology> Please vote on: adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread?
[18:15] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:15] <s-fox> +1
[18:15] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:15] <cariboo907> +1
[18:15] <Iowan> +1
[18:15] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:15] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:15] <elfy> +1
[18:15] <coffeecat> There's the error message to - you don't ahve 50 beans - easily changed.
[18:15] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:15] <coffeecat> +1
[18:15] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:15] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: adjust restrictions as outlined in the discussion thread?
[18:15] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:15] <s-fox> excellent :)
[18:15] <Iowan> Whew - that was tough
[18:15] <s-fox> really close
[18:15] <coffeecat> lol
[18:15] <elfy> :)
[18:15] <elfy> and a nice one to pass too
[18:15] <s-fox> who wants to volunteer to make the changes?
[18:16] <Iowan> o/
[18:16] <s-fox> okay :)
[18:16] <coffeecat> I'll do that _ i need to edit my sticky.
[18:16] <s-fox> lol, you guys can sort it out between you?
[18:16] <coffeecat> Or Iowan instead
[18:16] <elfy> we could do that and the restr at the same time perhaps
[18:16] <Iowan> ure...
[18:16] <coffeecat> !
[18:16] <Iowan> (s)
[18:17] <elfy> :)
[18:17] <s-fox> #action coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces
[18:17] <meetingology> ACTION: coffeecat and Iowan to make the restrictions changes happen and update bits and pieces
[18:17] <s-fox> ;D
[18:17] <s-fox> moving on....
[18:17] <s-fox> #topic create stickies for agenda items
[18:17] <elfy> thoughts on somewhere for users to at leat talk about agenda items - maybe a forum/thread and some stickies in the support forums (closed) - suggest a sub forum in FFH - stickies in suppport and cafe - no trolling - more or less instaban - lets look for actually productive discourse from people if they want to join in - productive can be negative - if it is in fact looking to move things on
[18:17] <s-fox> ...
[18:17] <elfy> that ^^
[18:18] <elfy> yep those ...
[18:18] <cariboo907> I'm all for it, as it makes things a little more open for the membership
[18:19] <s-fox> i think it is also good to have somewhere publicly accessible and not hidden away in areas not generally viewable
[18:19] <Iowan> as long as we don't over-sticky
[18:19] <elfy> me too - unsurprisingly lol
[18:19] <elfy> Iowan: do you think that piskie would over sticky lol
[18:19] <s-fox> anyone mind going to a vote?
[18:19] <Iowan> vote
[18:19] <elfy> I'll be looking for ones to remove :)
[18:19] <elfy> vote
[18:19] <cariboo907> me too
[18:20] <cariboo907> vote
[18:20] <s-fox> #vote create stickes for agenda items in public
[18:20] <meetingology> Please vote on: create stickes for agenda items in public
[18:20] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:20] <s-fox> +1
[18:20] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:20] <cariboo907> +1
[18:20] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:20] <Iowan> +
[18:20] <coffeecat> +1
[18:20] <elfy> +1
[18:20] <Iowan> +1
[18:20] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:20] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:20] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:20] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:20] <meetingology> Voting ended on: create stickes for agenda items in public
[18:20] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:20] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:20] <s-fox> Nice one :)
[18:20] <Iowan> ain't we all agreeable today...
[18:20] <elfy> my lord - things being done :)
[18:20] <cariboo907> another yay from me :)
[18:20] <s-fox> right...next topic...
[18:21] <s-fox> #topic new presumed spammer usergroup
[18:21] <s-fox> thats about right coffeecat ?
[18:21] <coffeecat> Yep
[18:21] <s-fox> we're making a good guess at a spammer
[18:21] <coffeecat> I suggest "Banned Presumptive Spammers". Near the top of the drop-down for usergroup change then.
[18:21] <elfy> admins only
[18:21] <s-fox> thats true
[18:22] <elfy> dealing with promotions at a later date
[18:22] <Iowan> snce only staff can see group, you can call it whatever
[18:22]  * s-fox nods
[18:22] <coffeecat> yes - hence "presumtpive"
[18:22] <coffeecat> *presumptive*
[18:22] <elfy> Iowan: do my suggestion is ok then :P
[18:22] <s-fox> i think it is worth trying, the pros and cons seem fairly well documented
[18:22] <s-fox> thanks for that btw coffeecat
[18:22] <Iowan> elfy:  ???
[18:23] <s-fox> right, anyone mind going to a vote  ?
[18:24] <cariboo907> vote
[18:24] <elfy> yep
[18:24] <Iowan> +1 - early?
[18:24] <s-fox> #vote introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup
[18:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup
[18:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:24] <s-fox> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:24] <cariboo907> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:24] <coffeecat> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:24] <Iowan> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:24] <elfy> Iowan: early?
[18:24] <elfy> +1
[18:24] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:24] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:24] <meetingology> Voting ended on: introduce the new presumed spammer usergroup
[18:25] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:25] <s-fox> who wants to create the new usergroup  ?
[18:25]  * Iowan +1'd the vote idea
[18:25] <s-fox> coffeecat ?
[18:25] <coffeecat> elfy, and I can do that.
[18:25] <s-fox> alright :)
[18:25] <s-fox> #action coffeecat and elfy to add the new group
[18:25] <meetingology> ACTION: coffeecat and elfy to add the new group
[18:25] <elfy> s-fox: coffeecat and I can do that and any of the other stuff
[18:25] <elfy> oh good glad I was there to agree :p
[18:26] <s-fox> lol
[18:26] <coffeecat> :P
[18:26] <s-fox> :)
[18:26] <s-fox> i have an item that is not on the agenda
[18:26] <elfy> as do I
[18:26] <Iowan> npe ;)
[18:26] <s-fox> i see someone wants a loco creating... i'll sort it out
[18:26] <elfy> really?
[18:26] <s-fox> yes, really
[18:26] <s-fox> go look and  you'll see it
[18:26] <elfy> yeap - seen it
[18:27] <s-fox> #action s-fox to sort the loco out
[18:27] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox to sort the loco out
[18:27] <s-fox> what is your item elfy  ?
[18:27] <elfy> just new forum Ubuntu members
[18:28] <s-fox> why do we need one?
[18:28] <s-fox> what is it for? :)
[18:28] <elfy> to make up the numbers lol
[18:28] <s-fox> ?
[18:28] <elfy> serious head - guy has done an enormous amount of work
[18:29] <elfy> for the forum and the community wiki
[18:29] <elfy> well worth the badge in my opinion
[18:29] <coffeecat> o/ forum members is fixed agenda item anyway
[18:29] <elfy> didn't know that coffeecat
[18:30] <s-fox> oh i misread what you posted elfy . lol
[18:30] <s-fox> i thought you were suggesting a dedicated subforum
[18:30] <s-fox> >.<
[18:30] <s-fox> lol
[18:30] <s-fox> alright, can we move on ?
[18:30] <s-fox> cortman,  are you here ?
[18:30] <elfy> yea
[18:30] <Iowan> please
[18:31] <cortman> Indeed I am.
[18:31] <elfy> s-fox: we'll talk about the sub forum
[18:31] <s-fox> elfy,  k
[18:31] <Iowan> one last chance to back out...
[18:31] <cortman> lol
[18:31] <elfy> o/
[18:31] <s-fox> #topic ubuntu forums ubuntu membership application
[18:32] <s-fox> i see cortman  is applying for membership
[18:32] <s-fox> can you tell us a little more about yourself please? :)
[18:32] <cortman> Well,
[18:32] <cortman> I've been on the forums pretty regularly for a year now
[18:32] <cortman> Actually a year today if I recall correctly. :)
[18:33] <cortman> I've tried to help out (it's been a learning process) on the forums and also on the Forum Wiki Team
[18:33] <cortman> Not much else to me, I suppose, lol.
[18:33] <s-fox> thanks :)
[18:33] <cortman> The Forum Wiki Team work has been enjoyable- I've been glad to be part of that process.
[18:33] <cortman> ^especially.
[18:34] <s-fox> it has been super busy moving things around
[18:34] <elfy> cortman: so can you say how well you've done in transcribing threads to wiki's
[18:34] <cortman> Oh, nothingspecial thinks I should add that I'm also active in IRC as well, mainly in #ubuntuforums.
[18:34] <s-fox> so any help with that always goes down well
[18:34] <cortman> Well, I've tried to do my part elfy lol
[18:34] <elfy> cortman: or rather - how you've managed to deal with the team
[18:35] <elfy> while others have been off doing other things
[18:35] <cortman> Well, yes, in Wild Man's absence I've been trying to take up the slack- he's a real workhorse on that.
[18:35] <elfy> yep
[18:35] <s-fox> alright, i think i am ready to vote. not sure on the others?  coffeecat  cariboo907  Iowan  elfy  ?
[18:35] <cortman> I'm hoping to get more involved in maintaining the community wiki as well
[18:36] <coffeecat> Ok for vote here.
[18:36] <elfy> I am
[18:36] <cariboo907> +1 for a vote
[18:36] <Iowan> please
[18:36] <s-fox> #vote cortman  for ubuntu forums membership
[18:36] <meetingology> Please vote on: cortman  for ubuntu forums membership
[18:36] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:36] <cariboo907> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:36] <coffeecat> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:36] <s-fox> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:36] <Celene> +1
[18:36] <elfy> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:36] <Iowan> +1
[18:36] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:36] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:36] <meetingology> Voting ended on: cortman  for ubuntu forums membership
[18:36] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:36] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:36] <s-fox> congrats cortman :)
[18:37] <cortman> thanks s-fox :)
[18:37] <s-fox> Celene,  lol. i restricted voting at the start ;)
[18:37] <cortman> It's an honor- thanks to you all! :)
[18:37] <Celene> s-fox: :D
[18:37] <coffeecat> COngrats cortman :)
[18:37] <elfy> welcome cortman
[18:37] <Celene> thought elfy said I could vote in the membership.
[18:37] <cariboo907> Congrats cortman
[18:37] <cortman> Thank you coffeecat
[18:37] <cortman> And cariboo907 :)
[18:37] <cortman> and elfy :)
[18:37] <elfy> you do us the honour cortman
[18:38] <s-fox> Celene,  can we pick that up later? :)
[18:38] <Iowan> cookies/pies?
[18:38] <cortman> Wow, I wouldn't say that, but thanks much elfy :)
[18:38] <s-fox> like tomorrow or something?
[18:38] <elfy> lol
[18:38] <coffeecat> There'll be a lot of work once we close the T&T forum! ;-)
[18:38] <s-fox> alright, last item is division of labour or "who wants to do what"
[18:38] <elfy> coffeecat: cortman is well aware ;)
[18:38] <coffeecat> :)
[18:38] <Iowan> What can I mess up this month?
[18:38] <s-fox> any volunteers for the  ml ?
[18:38] <cortman> lol yeah./
[18:39] <elfy> I'll take that s-fox
[18:39] <s-fox> thanks elfy
[18:39] <s-fox> #action elfy  = ml
[18:39] <cariboo907> I can keep on doing what I was if no one else wants to do it
[18:39] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy  = ml
[18:39] <s-fox> who wants the report, i did it last time and fixed a few bugs...
[18:39] <s-fox> i can show someone how to do it if it'd help
[18:39] <cariboo907> I'll do the report
[18:39] <elfy> cariboo907: s'ok I will take the caolface this month
[18:40] <s-fox> or i could do it all again ?
[18:40] <s-fox> okay cariboo907, thanks!
[18:40] <s-fox> do you know the setup  ?
[18:40] <elfy> hi popey
[18:40] <popey> hello elfy
[18:40] <s-fox> #action cariboo907  = fc report
[18:40] <meetingology> ACTION: cariboo907  = fc report
[18:40] <cariboo907> s-fox, I've done it once already
[18:41] <cariboo907> :)
[18:41] <Iowan> I'll try to get cortman  added to membership
[18:41] <s-fox> okay cariboo907 , if you need any help or whatever ping me :)
[18:41] <s-fox> cool
[18:41] <cortman> ah thanks Iowan
[18:41] <s-fox> #iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff
[18:41] <cariboo907> will do s-fox
[18:41] <s-fox> gah
[18:41] <elfy> Iowan: I can do that and would want to
[18:41] <s-fox> #action Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff
[18:41] <meetingology> ACTION: Iowan = ubuntu membership launchpad stuff
[18:41] <s-fox>  >:)
[18:41] <elfy> bah
[18:41] <s-fox> humbug
[18:41] <Iowan> elfy: OK!
[18:41] <elfy> :)
[18:42] <cariboo907> who's doing the welcome pm?
[18:42] <coffeecat> o/ for welcome message - I miss the spam pm's.!
[18:42] <Iowan> i'll concede this month
[18:42] <s-fox> um,  last month someone (not me ;)) forgot to put a version on ubuntu planet so i'll do that
[18:42] <elfy> I'd like to do that Iowan if that's ok
[18:42] <s-fox> #action s-fox  = ubuntu planet forums update report thing
[18:42] <meetingology> ACTION: s-fox  = ubuntu planet forums update report thing
[18:43] <s-fox> #action elfy  = welcome pm
[18:43] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy  = welcome pm
[18:43] <s-fox> anything else?
[18:43] <elfy> s-fox: version on forum is 7.04
[18:43] <elfy> is thjat right lol
[18:43] <s-fox> hah
[18:43] <elfy> :)
[18:43] <elfy> we all have faves lol
[18:43] <cariboo907> Who wants to be the mean person in the RC?
[18:44] <s-fox> fyi, i am going to put something about halloween into the planet post, get some of the community involved with avatars
[18:44]  * s-fox can be mean
[18:44] <s-fox> >:)
[18:44]  * cariboo907 too
[18:44] <s-fox> mwhaha
[18:44] <coffeecat> Do we need a first responder in the RC. Whoever is around?
[18:44] <s-fox> oh yeah, that is a good point
[18:44] <Iowan> I usually try to watch
[18:44] <s-fox> i know kiwi is pretty good at that too with his tz
[18:44] <elfy> I can be early UK responder
[18:44] <cariboo907> I thought elfy  took the lead on that last month
[18:45] <elfy> yea - but I need to get some to deal with
[18:45] <elfy> /o
[18:45] <s-fox> i personally thought it was "first to arrive, or who has the time"
[18:45] <elfy> one more thing
[18:45] <cariboo907> s-fox, that works for me
[18:45] <elfy> s-fox: that sounds good - as long as there is no self modding
[18:46] <s-fox> +1 to no self modding
[18:46] <cariboo907> that's a given isn't it?
[18:46] <s-fox> but we all know that anyway
[18:46] <s-fox> what is the other thing elfy ?
[18:47] <cariboo907> hurry up elfy , it's almost lunch time :)
[18:47] <Iowan> :)
[18:47] <elfy> sorry
[18:47] <s-fox> i want to go down the pub... ;)
[18:47] <elfy> wandered off
[18:47] <s-fox> o.0
[18:48] <elfy> forget it - next month
[18:48] <elfy> ooh - got it
[18:48] <elfy> so
[18:49] <elfy> meetings - sat seems good atm - any reason why we don't carry on = 3rd sat of the monthg
[18:49] <elfy> s/g
[18:49] <Iowan> reminder=good
[18:49] <s-fox> oh, works for me
[18:49] <cariboo907> Works for me too
[18:50] <Iowan> need a vote?
[18:50] <elfy> no worrying about other teams - no hassle - we havce the FC agenda FC forum and now the new op[en foum?
[18:50] <coffeecat> good for me.
[18:50] <s-fox> Iowan,  we'll post reminders on the ml. might also be good to post in cafe too, get some of the community here
[18:50] <s-fox> open doors and all that
[18:50]  * Iowan getting forgetful
[18:51] <s-fox> #vote hold fc meeting on 3rd sat of every month.  18:00 UTC
[18:51] <meetingology> Please vote on: hold fc meeting on 3rd sat of every month.  18:00 UTC
[18:51] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[18:51] <s-fox> +1
[18:51] <meetingology> +1 received from s-fox
[18:51] <coffeecat> +1
[18:51] <cariboo907> +1
[18:51] <meetingology> +1 received from coffeecat
[18:51] <meetingology> +1 received from cariboo907
[18:51] <Iowan> +1
[18:51] <elfy> does that sound good - next meet - 17th Nov - 3rd sat of the month - we can fiddle with dec
[18:51] <meetingology> +1 received from Iowan
[18:51] <elfy> +1
[18:51] <meetingology> +1 received from elfy
[18:51] <s-fox> #endvote
[18:51] <meetingology> Voting ended on: hold fc meeting on 3rd sat of every month.  18:00 UTC
[18:51] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[18:51] <meetingology> Motion carried
[18:51] <s-fox> superb :)
[18:51] <s-fox> i think we're all done. anyone mind me ending the meeting
[18:51] <s-fox> ?
[18:52] <Iowan> Room is booked for another 9 minutes
[18:52] <Iowan> but early=good
[18:52] <cortman> I'm out- thanks again, all! :)
[18:52] <s-fox> i have a booking with the bar Iowan , haha
[18:52] <s-fox> #endmeeting
[18:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Oct 20 18:52:36 2012 UTC.
[18:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-20-18.00.moin.txt
[18:52] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-20-18.00.html
[18:52] <Iowan> dobb't be late - close it
[18:52] <s-fox> thanks for coming everyone :)
[18:52] <coffeecat> :)
[18:52] <cariboo907> Lunch time :)
[18:53] <coffeecat> I've already had supper! :)
[18:53] <s-fox> toodles!
[18:54] <elfy> ha


[06:25] <sagaci> http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs#chapter-authors -- is this still relevant... are you still looking for the Managing Additional Software chapter to be written


[00:09] <starcraftman> hi again ScottK:) There?
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: this week is going to be hard to catch him.
[00:12] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: hey there oh dangerous one, alright, we were gonna talk when he got back from supper other day but I kinda crashed :/.
[00:13] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: So, there an intro wiki to dev stuff?
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: we are all at UDS so our schedules are like... wacked.
[00:13]  * starcraftman feels so left out.
[00:13]  * starcraftman hugs new green psp.
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: don't worry... give us a week to sort out and there will be pleanty to do.
[00:14] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: oh ok, no problem, kinda tired today. Had stressful emergencies at work, bah :/
[00:14] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: know that feeling.
[00:15] <valorie> speaking of uds, are we getting together tonight anywhere?
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not... I have some work to do and my knee is killing me.
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> jussi went out
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know where anyone else is.
[03:03] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have time: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages
[03:03] <Lex79> 6 rebuilds and 2 new upstream releases
[03:09] <shtylman_> Riddell: do you have the piratepad for the community session?
[03:11] <shtylman_> or does anyone have a link to that for that matter :)
[03:12] <shtylman_> nvm...  But now I use GUI IRC clients because the only place I really used a cli irc client was with NDS Linux
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm, doesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos anymore
[03:40] <shtylman_> it lives!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog
[06:05] <nixternal> shtylman: what is complicated about irssi? you quickly learn a few commands and it is golden, for many years to come
[06:05] <nixternal> i ahve had the same irssi/bitchx config for 15 years now
[11:05] <hunger_> When will the merging from debian to natty start for real?
[11:12] <nigelb> hunger: It already has, but debian is frozen right now, so things are a bit slow.
[11:12] <hunger> nigelb: Ah, that explains it.
[11:12] <hunger> nigelb: Normally I do get lots more upgrades at this time of the development cycle, so I was wondering:-)
[11:15] <hunger> Anyother maybe stupid question... Will the decision for unity impact kubuntu in any way?
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: ping
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hello
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hey
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hello hello
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: dude!
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: anyone there?
[14:06] <udslogger> I tell you, those non-client bound connections will be our down fall at some point
[14:07] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ??
[14:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:07] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.5.3 uploaded \o/
[14:07] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[14:07] <udslogger> berlin
[14:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:08] <shadeslayer> udslogger: which room??
[14:08] <udslogger> none
[14:08] <udslogger> I am sitting in the middle of the hallway
[14:09] <Riddell> udslogger: hi
[14:09] <udslogger> Riddell: there is plenty of free slots, maybe we should schedule some stuff?
[14:09] <udslogger> another community session for example ;)
[14:10] <Riddell> udslogger: tell me what you want and when you want it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.com/MA1DB7bA
[14:12] <udslogger> Riddell:  either at 10 or 16:16 ... Kubuntu Natty Community Part 3
[14:12] <ScottK> Riddell: We still need the Kolab discussion.
[14:12] <udslogger> dave is in favor of 16:15
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I believe I'm free at 1000.
[14:13] <udslogger> shadeslayer: every sentence you mention kubuntu in is a wrong one
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:13] <Riddell> ScottK: kolab is scheduled for 15:00
[14:13] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I think that works.
[14:21] <Riddell> udslogger: scheduled for 16:16
[14:21] <udslogger> Riddell: cheers
[14:23] <udslogger> Riddell: you know, we did want to grouphug our dictator...
[14:23] <shtylman> hah
[14:23] <DarkwingDuck> bow chicka bow wow
[14:23] <udslogger> we should sort of execute that
[14:30] <shtylman> nixternal: but I don't want to learn!! :p
[14:33] <shadeslayer> udslogger: do you have the template for the kubuntu slides
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: are you in dbusmenu session?
[15:09] <agateau> Riddell: i am
[15:09] <Riddell> groovy
[15:10] <Riddell> mgresslin wants to implement menu items in the top left window menu
[15:10] <shtylman> Riddell: nice!
[15:11] <shtylman> I was gonna suggest something similar to that
[15:11] <Riddell> shtylman: didn't you already code that?
[15:11] <shtylman> Riddell: sorta
[15:11] <shtylman> I was playing around with it last UDS
[15:11] <Riddell> is the code still around?
[15:11] <shtylman> and worked with agateau on some requirements for the registration service
[15:11] <shtylman> but he says it is better now
[15:11] <shtylman> yea
[15:12] <shtylman> I have the code on my box
[15:12] <shtylman> but it is probly outdated to the current global menu spec
[15:12] <shtylman> and I started with my own kwin theme
[15:12] <shtylman> but we probly want to extend oxygen?
[15:12] <shtylman> althought this would mean that users should not remove that icon/and or button that gives them the menu
[15:13] <shtylman> but I would certainly love to see that in natty
[15:14] <shtylman> make better use of the title bar :)
[15:14] <Riddell> shtylman: what's the difference between your backlog page and the existing todo page?
[15:15] <shtylman> Riddell: from what I understand the todo page is per release?
[15:16] <Riddell> yes
[15:16] <Riddell> davidbarth: do we need a session with mgreslin?
[15:16] <shtylman> backlog is long lived
[15:17] <shtylman> it also has sub categories.. which I haven't seen in todo page
[15:17] <Tm_T> gräßlin?
[15:17] <shtylman> but the biggest thing is that it is long lived
[15:18] <shtylman> and you can add to it during the cycle
[15:18] <shtylman> and then start off every UDS reviewing the items there .. mostly to make sure no ideas that we wanted to implement are lost in the wind :)
[15:22] <Riddell> shtylman: groovy, so I can use the backlog page to start tidying up the proceedings
[15:22] <Riddell> and as a basis for the todo page
[15:22] <shtylman> Riddell: yep
[15:22] <shtylman> that's the idea
[15:22] <Riddell> now, why are you and scott having a flamewar on kubuntu-devel?
[15:23] <shtylman> I wrote the backlog from the proceedings I could find (based on your link)
[15:23] <shtylman> we are?
[15:23] <shtylman> from my point of view he just clarified what I asked about
[15:23] <shtylman> cause I didn't know what the specific role of council has been in the past
[15:24] <shtylman> I didn't sense any hostility :)
[15:24] <shtylman> <3 scottk
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pingly
[15:26] <Riddell> the role of the council has actually never been defined, it's just been assumed it gets final say, I wonder if it would be useful to get that recognised or if it would just cause hassle
[15:27] <shtylman> Riddell: would be useful to do something :) I think keeping the role unclear is a bad idea
[15:27] <davidbarth> Riddell: yeah, i'd really like to
[15:27] <davidbarth> Riddell: let me schedule something, there are still slots open
[15:27] <shadeslayer> now... who would like to make slides for project neon so that i can present a lightning talk
[15:27] <shtylman> cause then there isn't a clear line on what should be said where .. etc
[15:28] <shtylman> I dunno what it means to get it "recognised" ... if the kubuntu contributors recognize it.. then that is enough imho
[15:28] <shtylman> the people can provide power and the people can take power away :)
[15:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i did not find :-(
[15:30] <shadeslayer> wha
[15:30] <shadeslayer> why
[15:30] <shadeslayer> hold on
[15:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: piratepad.net/kubuntu-n-community
[15:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... "describe a person that will use kubuntu: age, a"?
[15:32] <davidbarth> Riddell: is martin around? we're in the dbusmenu session and we have some time to start discussing that if you want
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:32] <shadeslayer> dunno what it is tho
[15:33] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ^^^
[15:33] <agateau> Riddell: is Martin around?
[15:33] <davidbarth> or i can add a BoF at noon
[15:36] <davidbarth> Riddell: agateau: i have added a BoF at 12 today, in curacao 1+2
[15:43] <Riddell> davidbarth: I have a docs session at 12 so I can't make that
[15:44] <davidbarth> Riddell: can you pass on the message to martin?
[15:45] <Riddell> davidbarth: done, martin nods
[15:58] <Riddell> markey: enough snuggles? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/DSCF5155.JPG
[15:59] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: EPIC
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> turns out there are two oxygen-gtk projects
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> this one is by the lead oxygen dev and seem better
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> http://gitorious.org/oxygen-gtk/oxygen-gtk/
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> I just noticed that the gtk-oxygen-engine I uploaded doesn't have the necessary COPYING.LIB, so I'd like that to get rejected so that I can use the package name for this better one :P
[16:42] <shtylman> taco... go with the better one :)
[16:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: gtk2-engines-oxygen rejected
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kdelibs/+build/5990 << idea why it has a dep wait?
[17:29] <Riddell> "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies"
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seemed to be a PPA publishing issue
[17:43] <shadeslayer> sheytan: did project neon work for you?
[17:44] <sheytan> shadeslayer nope. As i told you yesterday. I complied myself :D
[17:44] <shadeslayer> oh.. i didnt see that part
[17:44] <shadeslayer> its broken right now anyways
[18:34] <dantti> Riddell: do you think all packages to be installable should install the language packs too?
[18:35] <dantti> Riddell: I can easily force a check for missing language packages before the user install the packages but some users might complaing about the size and for it be a must
[19:00] <Riddell> dantti: we do already prompt (at least in theory) for missing language packs at login
[19:01] <Riddell> dantti: the extras.ubuntu.com repository might be interesting to support
[19:01] <Riddell> they added some extra fields to the Packages.gz file
[19:01] <Riddell> so that would need to be merged into the existing application databases
[19:02] <Riddell> dantti: mvo wondered if command line debconf support for pkcon would be possible, I said I'd ask :)
[19:18] <Riddell> where's rohan?
[19:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why aren't you in the queue?
[19:25] <sheytan> Hey guys :D
[19:26] <sheytan> anyone to write something like sound indicator from Ubuntu? :D
[19:26] <shtylman> heh
[19:26] <sheytan> this would be coller idea then the message indicator :D
[19:26] <shtylman> talk to agateau about that one
[19:26] <sheytan> and sound ind. is the one that is cool :D
[19:31] <Riddell> what should I say in my UDS summary?
[19:31] <shtylman> everything
[19:31] <Riddell> i.e. the two minutes I get to talk about Kubuntu sessions at the end
[19:31] <shtylman> KDE IS THE FUTURE! :p
[19:33] <jjesse> cannonical has decided due to the anger over switching to unity they decided to go to KDE
[19:33] <shtylman> haha
[19:41] <CIA-41> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1191149 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp (log message trimmed)
[19:41] <CIA-41> Also read the pin file so that settings in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ will work as
[19:41] <CIA-41> well. I'll see about using pkgCacheFile in QApt::Cache once I can get a feel for
[19:44] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191151 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Backport fix for LibQApt not respecting preference files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d/ dir.
[19:45] <eMyller> hey
[19:46] <eMyller> anyone know how can i use the 4th and 5th buttons of the mouse on window behaviors?
[19:46] <shtylman> buy a mouse with less buttons
[19:46] <shtylman> ;)
[19:46] <eMyller> i'd like to set the 4th button (that defaults to Back @ browser) to minimize the window
[19:46] <eMyller> shtylman: then i won't have 4th and 5th buttons! :D
[19:47] <shtylman> eMyller: I would ask in #kubuntu (this is a developer channel)
[19:47] <eMyller> i know
[19:48] <dantti> Riddell: right but the user will only get firefox localized (for example) at login, which is not very nice
[19:48] <dantti> Riddell: gnome-packagekit needs a new package, (version 30 or 32 iirc)
[19:49] <dantti> Riddell: pkcon and gnome-packagekit will get debconf support for free probably next week, Richard coded it wrong yesterday so I guess only next week he will rewrite it
[19:51] <Riddell> dantti: Richard?
[19:51] <dantti> Riddell: pk author
[19:51] <Riddell> he's coding debconf support?
[19:51] <dantti> for free I mean he is adding it to pk-glib
[19:52] <dantti> Riddell: yup, it quite simple but he created a file instead of a socket and it didn't work
[19:54] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191154 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h worker/worker.cpp worker/worker.h) Backport the handling of additional error points during initialization that we weren't catching before.
[19:54] <dantti> eMyller: I saw a blog post on plannet a while back about a trackball mouse which such buttons, and he managed to get it working I believe that this could help
[19:55] <Riddell> dantti: but but.. he's a Fedora guy, why does he care about debconf?
[19:55] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191155 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Backport the fix for Backend not telling clients that package state has changed after loading a selections file.
[19:55] <dantti> Riddell: he cares about having PK used anywhere
[19:55] <dantti> like me I want kpk everywhere not just in kubuntu
[19:56] <dantti> let's dominate the world :P
[19:56] <dantti> Riddell: also PK got accepted into Debian after debconf was added :)
[19:57] <dantti> if Debian wasn't in it's Ice Age there would be packages for it already
[19:57] <eMyller> dantti: yeah, i was wishing that i could input clicks (like key shortcuts) instead of selecting (Left|Right|Middle) @ Window Behavior » Window Actions
[19:57] <eMyller> having to use imwheel sucks. :\
[19:57] <dantti> eMyller: sure, I have a 5 bt mouse too, but I'm too lazy to make it work :P
[19:58] <eMyller> lol
[19:59] <eMyller> seriously, having the click choices in a dropdown looks too hardcoded
[19:59] <eMyller> click choices + (alt + click choices « again)
[20:04] <Riddell> mgraesslin: how was CSD?
[20:04] <mgraesslin> Riddell: pretty good - CSD is dead and we came to an agreement how to get what we want to have
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[20:05] <nixternal> woo, the chicago weather lady hit me up on the twitter
[20:05]  * nixternal faints
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot whoot
[20:06] <nixternal> http://twitter.com/#!/Ginger_Zee/status/29113595143 awww yeah! even with my amazingly good looks, she is well out of my league :D
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> NO one is out of your league nixternal
[20:07] <nixternal> i am out of my own league
[20:07] <shtylman> hahaha
[20:07] <jjesse> she used to be one of the weather babes in GR
[20:08] <jjesse> nixternal she worked for Wood TV (NBC affiliate)
[20:11] <nixternal> nice
[20:12] <Riddell> is weather babe a respectful term for a meteorologist?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> not really
[20:13] <nixternal> haha, was gonna ask the same
[20:13] <jjesse> sry
[20:13] <Riddell> nixternal: quick ask her on twitter
[20:14] <nixternal> heck no, she is on my good side right now :p
[20:23] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I used https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/Other#Kubuntu Natty Docs
[20:23] <Riddell> I need to tidy that up
[20:24] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I could kiss you :P
[20:26] <shadeslayer> http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^
[20:28] <shtylman> someone should maybe add that to the backlog
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/
[20:57] <Riddell> txwikinger: which UDS did we discuss user profiles?
[21:04] <udslogger> jussi: you copied my home, so that password reset was not really necessary.... though thanks
[21:04] <udslogger> jussi: I'll need some software installed though ;)
[21:11] <ScottK> Riddell: It was the last one.
[21:20] <jussi> udslogger: what do you want...
[22:13] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[22:31] <Riddell> how did I do?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: awesome
[22:37] <shadeslayer> a *bit* lengthy :P
[22:38] <ScottK> Pirate Pad FTW.
[22:39] <shadeslayer> aye
[22:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: why are you at the back?
[22:40] <shadeslayer> come forward!!! ....
[22:40] <ScottK> Because being in the back allows me to be out the door sooner.
[22:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> and were out
[22:45] <txwikinger> Riddell: I have no idea
[22:46] <txwikinger> which UDS user profiles were discussed
[22:48] <ScottK> txwikinger: It was lucid
[22:48] <ScottK> Oh, misunderstood the question.
[22:49] <ScottK> txwikinger: udslogger is collecting them and will document them.  They were mostly very close to our current userbase.
[22:49] <ScottK> txwikinger: We could really use a "I'm an ISV and I make money on small business deployments" user story.
[23:04] <Riddell> jussi: http://www.wekivaadventures.com/contact.php
[23:23] <valorie> shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session
[23:23] <shtylman> valorie: no probs
[23:24] <shtylman> it was mostly food for thought
[23:24] <valorie> shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session
[23:26] <valorie> connectivity is crap
[23:26] <shtylman> haha
[23:26] <shtylman> I am trying to learn irssi
[23:26] <shtylman> this is painful
[23:26] <valorie> for me, at least
[23:29] <valorie> I  can't recall finding any apps overly complex
[23:30] <shtylman> that is good
[23:31] <valorie> although I'm dreading learning drupal
[23:31] <shtylman> heh
[23:31] <valorie> irssi!
[23:31] <valorie> not the app for me
[23:31] <shtylman> that isn't really an app.. although some might claim it is :)
[23:31] <valorie> Konvi or Quassel
[23:31] <shtylman> for sure
[23:31] <shtylman> konvi all the way
[23:32] <shtylman> I am trying the irssi to see if I will like it
[23:32] <valorie> ok, I need to go dress for the party
[23:32] <valorie> ttyl, all
[23:32] <shtylman> haha
[23:32] <shtylman> enjoy


[00:34] <arraybolt3[m]> ginggs: Scratch all of that, I can't read it turns out. The Debian version was 0.11.0-2, not 0.12.0-2. 🤦
[06:40] <cpaelzer> lvoytek: FYI the small fixes for libvirt in lunar got entangled by the migration of the new wireshark
[06:41] <cpaelzer> lvoytek: soeone already did a reference test on arm64 which confirmed that it was regressed elswhere, but on armhf it worked
[06:44] <cpaelzer> lvoytek: I've restarted it once just wireshark (no other new PKGs which formerly were bundled in the test) and a migration-reference run (as the last one is 2.5 weeks old)
[06:45] <cpaelzer> lvoytek: remind me that we recheck the results later so that indirectly our libvirt can be unblocked
[07:24] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: hiho, you asked for the verification of bug 1982703
[07:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 1982703 in ruby3.0 (Ubuntu Jammy) "Segfaults in ruby 3.0.2" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1982703
[07:24] <utkarsh2102> \o, yes
[07:24] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: the steps are not perfect (but I can fix them) and then it works to reproduce the issue
[07:24] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: but the reason it doesn't fix it is because the fix FTBFS
[07:25] <cpaelzer> I wondered why enabling proposed didn't give me 3.0.2-7ubuntu2.2 and the answer is here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby3.0/3.0.2-7ubuntu2.2
[07:25] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: you might have way much more context on this than I do
[07:25] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: I thought you asked for a second person to test the verification - or are you asking about that FTBFS?
[07:25] <utkarsh2102> oh no!
[07:26] <utkarsh2102> the test verification only!
[07:26] <utkarsh2102> re-triggered the builds, it should be build now, apologies
[07:26] <utkarsh2102> however, can you test the PPA where I landed the fix in?
[07:27] <utkarsh2102> cf: ppa:utkarsh/temporary-stuff
[07:27] <utkarsh2102> it built on amd64 (ignore the arm FTBFS)
[07:28] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: fixed a few broken test steps now
[07:28] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: trying from your PPA ...
[07:28] <utkarsh2102> looking
[07:30] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: -1 karma for a "temporary stuff" PPA :-P
[07:30] <utkarsh2102> heh, fair :)
[07:31] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: for me the PPA works
[07:31] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: the former "Invalid read of size 8" are gone
[07:32] <cpaelzer> utkarsh2102: there is a similar set of "Use of uninitialised value of size 8" but that has been there before
[07:33] <utkarsh2102> danke schön
[07:33] <utkarsh2102> yes, I got mixed up b/w the two, thanks!
[07:34] <cpaelzer> ok, glad I could help
[07:51] <cpaelzer> lvoytek: the termshark really did regress independent to wireshark - that should be unblocked on the next run of proposed migration
[08:35] <sandy> HI How to build a custom ubuntu-base rootfs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Base
[08:36] <sandy> Is there any scripts ?
[08:59] <mwhudson> it's mostly just "debootstrap" i think
[09:26] <sandy> @mwhudson think you, I'll try and diff.
[12:12] <arraybolt3> Being intentionally vague, those who know what I'm talking about will know. When dealing with a security-related bug that I have knowledge about, is it acceptable for me to patch the vuln and have that uploaded into Ubuntu "early", since the details are already semi-public upstream? Or do we need to wait for upstream to accept it and then we can patch it?
[12:13] <arraybolt3> Also is there any recommended procedure here for non-Security Team members who want to help patch it? Do I just treat it like any other bug and add patches to the bug report in Launchpad?
[13:21] <rbasak> Is there a quick say to see if autopkgtests for a particular package and arch are already queued?
[13:22] <rbasak> I'm aware that https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running shows the queue, but its size makes it impractical to identify which arch a queue entry is for right now :-/
[13:23] <rbasak> arraybolt3: I'm not aware of any requirement for Ubuntu to "wait" to fix any seurity issue except in the case where the information has been provided to us under an embargo and it isn't otherwise public.
[13:23] <rbasak> But best to ask in #ubuntu-security.
[13:23] <rbasak> arraybolt3: for security sponsorship there's a separate process and queue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue
[13:27] <arraybolt3> rbasak: Thanks!
[15:54] <ahasenack> rbasak: lp-test-isrunning from the ubuntu-helpers git repo
[15:54] <ahasenack> run it like lp-test-isrunning | grep package
[15:54] <rbasak> Ah, perfect. I did dig around in ubuntu-helpers but didn't find that
[15:54] <ahasenack> further filtering will become clear once you see its output
[15:54] <ahasenack> like the first letter of each line being R or Q
[15:54] <rbasak> It's not mentioned in README.md :-(
[15:58] <rbasak> Now fixed. Thanks!
[16:02] <ahasenack> rbasak: standup?
[16:19] <sergiodj> vorlon: bdmurray: hi there, in case you've missed it I filed https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiodj/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+git/dpkg/+merge/433545 last week as a followup from our discussions regarding debuginfod & source code indexing.  would appreciate your review when possible.  thanks
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> !dmb-ping
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> !dmb ping-all?
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> I have no idea what's the right way
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> !dmb ping
[19:01] <utkarsh2102> man :P
[19:02] <utkarsh2102> I'll just do it myself. rbasak, teward, seb128, sil2100, bdmurray, kanashiro - meeting time
[19:04] <rbasak> What's wrong with what the bot just did?
[19:04] <utkarsh2102> it workeddddddddddddd!
[19:36] <teward[m]> rbasak delayed as heck by 2 minutes :P
[20:42] <vorlon> sergiodj: yes, I saw that MP come in; I was out all last week for Thanksgiving, I probably won't get to reviewing this until next week
[20:43] <sergiodj> vorlon: ACK, thanks for the heads up.  I'll ping again next week if I don't hear back from you, thanks
[21:13] <teward[m]> krytarik check your DMs from my matrix account when you get a minute (my IRCCloud account went fubar so i'm slowly moving over to my Matrix for my primary IRC)
[21:14] <krytarik> I did and replied.. >_>
[23:37] <bluesabre> > Unit193> ...The never ending drums In the xubuntu seed/meta, why is (wireplumber) needed twice in order to actually pick up?  I had to do https://dpaste.com/7SG34HBNX in order for ./update to actually add it to the recommends (sans the pipewire dep → rec change.)
[23:37] <bluesabre> Expanding on what Unit193 mentioned earlier, I've created a bug report on LP for germinate/xubuntu-meta: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/1998149
[23:37] <Unit193> Hellos yes this is fish.
[23:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1998149 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Recommended package ignored on Xubuntu core seed" [Undecided, New]
[23:38] <bluesabre> lol
[23:38] <bluesabre> Anybody here able to help? Xubuntu doesn't want to be left out of the pipewire fun!
[23:39] <Unit193> Well, given the issue I ran into, sure we don't? ;)


[23:17] <billytwowilly> anybody around?
[23:20] <Robdgreat> hi
[23:24] <billytwowilly> howdy. I'm hoping you can clear somethign up for me about louisiana. I was watching a tv show that takes place in louisiana and they seemed to add t in front of everybodie's name and in front of buddy (i.e t-liz, t-buddy) I was wondering what the meaning of that was.
[23:25] <Robdgreat> it's a stereotype
[23:25] <Robdgreat> not everyone does that
[23:25] <billytwowilly> I'm not familiar with the stereotype.
[23:25] <billytwowilly> what does the t mean?
[23:25] <Robdgreat> it's a contraction from french "petit"
[23:26] <billytwowilly> oh ok, so it's the acadian influence.
[23:26] <Robdgreat> so you might have a father and son named Joe, and you have Joe and T-Joe
[23:27] <Robdgreat> yeah
[23:27] <billytwowilly> rough equivalent of junior.
[23:27] <Robdgreat> informally, yeah
[23:27] <Robdgreat> it's not actually part of their given name
[23:27] <Robdgreat> just a nickname
[23:27] <billytwowilly> ok, thanks, that clears it up, I was all confused.
[23:27] <Robdgreat> np
[23:28] <Robdgreat> that's an example, it's sorta just tacked on to mak ea pet name out of someone's name
[23:29] <Robdgreat> irrespective of junior, etc
[23:30] <Robdgreat> what show, out of curiosity
[23:30] <Robdgreat> pretty much anything on tv about louisiana tends to be unflattering
[23:30] <billytwowilly> you guys kinda get screwed in the media.
[23:31] <Robdgreat> and canadians all say "eh" after everything
[23:31] <Robdgreat> it's a stereotype
[23:31] <billytwowilly> I hear yah;) I feel partially responsible for louisiana though, since it could have been my british ancestors kicking the french out of the maritimes in the 1700's that created the cajuns.
[23:32] <Robdgreat> I'm proud of my heritage; I just don't embrace it as fully as some
[23:32] <Robdgreat> mais, ah don' talk like dis, cher
[23:33] <billytwowilly> man, the accent is the second best part about being cajun, right after the food.
[23:33] <billytwowilly> It sounds like the south of france and some good ole boys from texas had a kid;)
[23:34] <Robdgreat> I miss the food. I moved to New Orleans from Lafayette, and this area is overwhelmingly Creole in cuisine
[23:34] <billytwowilly> How is New Orleans now? Still pretty beat up from Katrina?
[23:34] <Robdgreat> no
[23:34] <Robdgreat> It's pretty rockin', actually
[23:35] <Robdgreat> I mean, it has been 6 years
[23:35] <billytwowilly> Treme paints it in a pretty good light.
[23:35] <Robdgreat> Treme is set right after the storm, too
[23:35] <billytwowilly> season 2 starts about 1.5 years after.
[23:36] <Robdgreat> like I said.
[23:36] <billytwowilly> The food and the music looks really good. Nothing quite like it in north america as far as I have experienced.
[23:36] <Robdgreat> compared to now, it's pretty soon after
[23:36] <Robdgreat> yeah, I really like it here
[23:37] <Robdgreat> worst part was being unemployed and broke for months, unable to do anything or leave town to see my family, who lives between 1.5 and 3 hours away
[23:37] <billytwowilly> lots of unemployment down there?
[23:37] <Robdgreat> just got a job :D
[23:37] <billytwowilly> nice.
[23:37] <billytwowilly> doing something computer related?
[23:37] <Robdgreat> eh, probably comparable to everywhere else
[23:38] <Robdgreat> not a lot of demand for PHP coders here, though
[23:38] <billytwowilly> if you had to choose new orleans or houston you'd be a big voter for new orleans eh?
[23:38] <Robdgreat> ehhh, as far as IT job market, Houston, I'm sure.
[23:38] <Robdgreat> as far as just a place to live, being employed already, I'm pretty fond of this place
[23:39] <Robdgreat> I can drive an hour and a half or so and be back home
[23:39] <Robdgreat> Houston it'd take like 5+ hours
[23:45] <billytwowilly> Are the oysters still ok to eat after the oil fiasco?
[23:49] <Robdgreat> by now they are


[00:01] <BUGabundo> asac: FYI enabling ipv6 in my NM wifi setting, generates a kernel dump
[00:02] <asac> BUGabundo: kernel bug ;)
[00:02] <asac> lol
[00:02] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/344985/
[00:02] <asac> BUGabundo: how does it look like?
[00:02] <asac> reproducible?
[00:02] <BUGabundo> I guess
[00:03] <asac> guess is not good ;)
[00:03] <BUGabundo> everytime I try to enalbe it, NM borks
[00:03] <asac> what is that?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> I set ignore, and it connects fine
[00:03] <asac> kernel version/ubuntu version?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> no IPv6 at this time is *bad*
[00:03] <asac> BUGabundo: yes. but that doesnt mean you always got that trace?
[00:03] <asac> did you?
[00:03] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-9-generic #13-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 17 17:01:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:27] <BUGabundo> fta: what did you do?
[00:28] <BUGabundo> all of the sudden most pages are SNAPPING
[01:49] <ejat> !ping fta
[03:18] <micahg> gavin: I have a TB crash report and I found a match in crash-reports.m.o
[03:18] <micahg> but there's no bugzilla bug
[11:01] <BUGabundo_work> morning
[11:54] <asac> hi
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> fta: on latest Ch daily in debian
[11:56] <BUGabundo_work> alls wroking
[12:37] <fta> BUGabundo_lunch, i fixed it with ~ucd2
[12:48] <fta> oh, here it is http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28749
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_chrome.asp
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> thats a very low % for Ch 4.x
[13:27] <BUGabundo_work> i was expecting more
[13:28] <BUGabundo_work> fta: do u have any stats of ubuntu/browser penetration vs Win/ie or Win/browser ?
[13:31] <BUGabundo_work> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
[13:34] <fta> ch 3.0 has been stable for windows for a while, ch 4.0 is just a recent beta; you'll need dec stats
[13:37] <BUGabundo_work> i've been using 4.x for so long, i forget ppl are still in 3
[19:39] <mbana> how do i get back the old search interface
[19:48] <micahg> mbana: I don't know if you can
[23:05] <micahg> fta: I'm not sure what to do with the tb31 breakage


 Support for 17.04 expired.  Non-long term releases are supported for 9 months.
[02:43] <valorie> yeah, I stopped seeding those torrents awhile ago
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[19:40] <Neeknaim> Hello
[19:40] <Neeknaim> Is there a signature file to verify kubuntu's iso?
[19:44] <jseiters> Not sure about signature files, but there is checksums on the Kubuntu website. https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads
[19:51] <Neeknaim> thanks jseiters. I also found this cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/SHA256SUMS.gpg and this cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/SHA256SUMS
[21:19] <krunkleton> I'm using the Breeze Dark theme, and it sort of clashes with one of my programs (Anki). is it possible to change or disable themes for a partucular window?
[21:23] <acheronuk> krunkleton: unless it is a gtk app, not easily at all. it is something some kde apps can do (krita kedevelop etc) can do, but it needs the apps itself to implement that at the moment
[21:25] <krunkleton> ok thanks, it's not that big of a deal


[00:00] <kinghat> how do you get grub to show at boot?
[00:02] <kinghat> would it not have been installed?
[00:04] <kinghat> I don't get grub when I boot up.
[00:08] <kinghat> left shift or ESC doesn't work.
[00:09] <kinghat> hmm not installed. is grub not being installed by default normal?
[00:11] <teward> kinghat: no it's not normal.
[00:12] <teward> and had there been a grub installation failure it probably would've said so in the logs as a failure to install
[00:13] <kinghat> so is my system borked?
[00:51] <kinghat> looks like grub is installed but i just cant get it to show up for some reason: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/046574cb/
[00:51] <kinghat> is it the ESC or left SHIFT or something like that?
[00:57] <kinghat> lol that's the grub i get. no keys do anything https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/cGioOJe6/irccloudcapture2268390190753378140.jpg
[02:50] <Ouyes> hey guys,  the memory usage is going higher and higher on my server, both the ram and swap, is this indicating a memory leakage?
[03:22] <qman__> not directly, no
[03:23] <qman__> it means you're using more resources, which could have any number of causes including normal activity
[03:54] <kinghat> ikonia: you still around?
[04:04] <OerHeks> odd, first you stated grub was borked visable on your system..
[04:07] <kinghat> ya
[04:08] <kinghat> not sure why. maybe it was the monitor? i started a live usb to see if i could run boot-repair, and did, but that didnt fix it. so i figured i could use the live usb to alter the sudoers file, which worked.
[07:12] <MJCD> heya
[07:12] <MJCD> I have never set up or run a mailserver before
[07:12] <MJCD> but want to do so for a new site, hosted locally
[07:12] <MJCD> what's the easiest method of doing so :)
[07:39] <ducasse> MJCD: postfix, plus dovecot for pop3/imap. see the ubuntu wiki, there's an article on setting up postfix.
[07:40] <MJCD> ducasse, someone else just recommended in terms of management postfixadmin
[07:40] <ducasse> MJCD: i've not used that myself, so can't comment - sorry
[07:41] <ducasse> MJCD: you should do a bit of research and reading, running a mailserver is not for the faint of heart or newbies (not saying you're either)
[07:42] <MJCD> I'm a newb at mail servers
[07:42] <MJCD> but network admin and programmer of 20 years
[07:42] <MJCD> I
[07:42] <MJCD> should be able to figure something basic out haha
[07:42] <MJCD> I mainly want a gui
[07:42] <MJCD> because i'm a gui-guy
[07:43] <ducasse> i can't help with that, i just use ssh and vim :)
[07:44] <MJCD> haha grooooosss ;p
[07:44] <MJCD> I want a puppet gui too
[07:45] <MJCD> manage network SOE graphically
[07:46] <ducasse> there's also #postfix if you run into problems
[08:17] <MJCD> appreciated
[08:17] <MJCD> thanks for your time
[09:16] <jamespage> o/
[09:35] <die7> somehow ntp settings in preseed file are ignored
[09:35] <die7> # Time zone config
[09:35] <die7> d-i time/zone string Etc/UTC
[09:35] <die7> d-i clock-setup/utc boolean true
[09:35] <die7> d-i clock-setup/ntp boolean true
[09:35] <die7> d-i clock-setup/ntp-server string myserver.com
[09:42] <oskie> hello, trying to set up md/LVM on boot disk during Bionic server installation, but the partitioner menu doesn't allow me to continue
[09:42] <oskie> is it even possible?
[10:02] <bipul> Hi , I'm facing Network issue while running Ubuntu-server 18.04 in bridge mode in VirtualBox. Does anyone know how to resolve this?
[10:02] <bipul> die7, Which ubuntu server are you installing via preseed method?
[10:11] <die7> bipul: 16.04
[10:11] <bipul> die7, Are you modifying the .iso file?
[10:13] <die7> bipul: no, using cobbler
[10:13] <bipul> cobbler?
[10:14] <die7> bipul: yepp, using cobbler for automated system deployment, using cobbler and preseed file
[10:15] <bipul> Link please?
[10:15] <die7> bipul: what you mean with link?
[11:09] <ahasenack> good morning
[12:09] <kstenerud> Can anyone help setting up sbuild? I'm following the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild but I get stuck on step 10: mk-sbuild bionic
[12:09] <kstenerud> E: 10mount: mount: /run/schroot/mount/bionic-amd64-68f38ca0-4bcb-49c5-846c-c658ada8421e/scratch: special device /home/karl/schroot/scratch does not exist.
[12:09] <kstenerud> E: bionic-amd64-68f38ca0-4bcb-49c5-846c-c658ada8421e: Chroot setup failed: stage=setup-start
[12:14] <ahasenack> kstenerud: not that I have seen that error before, but are you doing this in an lxd?
[12:15] <kstenerud> yes
[12:15] <ahasenack> maybe apparmor is denying something
[12:15] <kstenerud> hmm strange... I've made the container privileged
[13:26] <ahasenack> kstenerud: rbasak hi, what's up with https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/at/+git/at/+merge/358655, does it need sponsoring or is it stuck somewhere?
[13:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: what should the merge state of this mp be: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/symfony/+git/symfony/+merge/359137
[13:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: because since then, it became a sync
[13:37] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/symfony/+publishinghistory
[13:37] <ahasenack> so it was merged at that time, but now?
[13:41] <ahasenack> kstenerud: rbasak: are you guys around?
[13:42] <kstenerud> yes
[13:43] <kstenerud> I think it just needs sponsoring
[13:43] <ahasenack> kstenerud: I have the above question about at, and bug #1606331 where rbasak asked a question about a fix for tomcat you did and I sponsored in november
[14:56] <oskie> it is 2018 (almost 2019). do we need a separate swap partition still
[15:02] <cpaelzer> umm, do we have any php7.2 on trusty?
[15:02] <cpaelzer> rbasak: ahasenack: kstenerud: ^^ ?
[15:02] <cpaelzer> I didn#t think so
[15:07] <kstenerud> not sure a ctually
[15:07] <cpaelzer> there is none (as I expected) according to my checks
[15:07] <cpaelzer> just wondereing as I hada  bug on triage with apache mod 7.2+5 breaking when both enabled on trusty
[15:11] <nacc> cpaelzer: that's a bogus bug
[15:11] <nacc> they eitehr are running ondrej's ppa
[15:11] <nacc> cpaelzer: or they have hacked their system together
[15:11] <nacc> pretty sure i know which one you mean
[15:12] <nacc> L: #1807484 ?
[15:12] <nacc> LP: #1807484 ?
[15:13] <cpaelzer> yep
[15:13] <cpaelzer> nacc: hiho btw
[15:13] <cpaelzer> yeah such a ppa would be my assumption as well
[15:13] <nacc> cpaelzer: hi! :) and yeah
[15:41] <teward> cpaelzer: bet you $10 that it's using Ondrej's PPA
[15:41] <teward> also good morning to all
[15:45] <cpaelzer> hiho teward
[15:46] <cpaelzer> the problem is no one is betting against it
[15:47] <teward> cpaelzer: which means I:InstantWin :P
[15:48] <teward> ... now if only the systme would stop yeling to me about nginx being stuck in proposed because IT'S PERL'S FAULT I'd be able to focus on things like trying to help with backports' queues >.<
[16:21] <kinghat> so after i mistakenly removed my only user from the sudoers group, i was able to statically set it via visudo by sshing into the machine by using a live boot in root mode. now that i have added the user back to the sudo group can i remove the user from the static line in sudoers?
[16:22] <nacc> kinghat: now that you know how to fix it, test it and try? seems like that should be fine, presuming you did it right :)
[16:24] <kinghat> also, there is a group in the sudoers file called admin. it has less privs than the sudo group so a user doesnt need to be a part of admin if they are already part of sudo?
[16:25] <mason> teward: The only problem with Perl is that not enough people understand its pure, unadulterated goodness!
[16:25] <nacc> kinghat: did you read the corresponding comment?
[16:25] <teward> mason: no, actually, it's because perl works with everything and things'll explode if you aren't careful in version bumps
[16:25] <teward> so it's not autoreleased from proposed :P
[16:26] <mason> teward: Is that a Perl issue or a CPAN issue?
[16:26] <teward> neither.
[16:26] <kinghat> nacc: your comment? or is there a comment you are referring to in the sudoers file?
[16:26] <nacc> kinghat: in the sudoers file by default
[16:26] <teward> mason: too complex to explain here, at least not with the time I have.
[16:27] <mason> teward: Alright. My personal experience is that base Perl is wonderfully backwards-compatible, and that it's when you start pulling in random other bits that the whole tower becomes unstable.
[16:27] <kinghat> "# Members of the admin group may gain root privileges"?
[16:28] <nacc> kinghat: right
[16:31] <kinghat> may?
[16:31] <kinghat> "# Allow members of group sudo to execute any command" for sudo.
[16:33] <Ussat> does Ubuntu server have anything like :  authconfig --enablekrb5 --enablekrb5kdcdns --enablekrb5realmdns --update . this configures kerberos to use t=whats already in krb5.cong without a gui
[16:36] <ahasenack> rbasak: can you perhaps sponsor this? https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/at/+git/at/+merge/358655
[16:36] <ahasenack> since you approved it
[16:52] <rbasak> OK
[17:11] <sarnold> no doubt if you write your perl like it's 5.004 then things will just work for decades
[17:15] <teward> sarnold: so then all you have to worry about is {InsertOpenSSLChangesHere} :P
[17:15] <teward> and it explodes everything xD
[17:16] <mason> sarnold: Don't give away my secret.
[17:34] <sarnold> teward: but when that ssl 0.9 client connects, it'll Just Work! :D
[17:34] <sarnold> mason: hehehe
[17:34] <teward> sarnold: lol.
[17:34] <mason> sarnold: SSLeay please. Let's not get all postmodern.
[17:35] <teward> sarnold: is that before or after the server disables TLS1, 1.1, and 1.2 in favor of TLs 1.3 + Modern ciphers LOL
[17:35] <teward> the server the scripts connect to*
[17:37] <sarnold> mason: lol ssleay.. man..
[19:03] <Angryele> Hey don't suppose anyone can give me a hand? Running Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS having dpkg issues while installing mysql
[19:05] <teward> Angryele: what issues specifically?
[19:08] <Angryele> I'm trying to figure out the main problem, when I sudo apt-get install mysql-server I get  this error http://prntscr.com/lt7vz7    dpkg dependency, sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:08] <sarnold> scrollup
[19:09] <sarnold> the first error is probably higher up the terminal
[19:10] <teward> sarnold: it's in the screenshot - configure-symlinks: no such file or dir
[19:11] <sarnold> teward: but *why* didn't mysql-common unpack correctly?
[19:12] <Angryele> http://prntscr.com/lt7y6n  entire thing incase you wanted it
[19:12] <sarnold> dang
[19:12] <sarnold> apt-get purge all the mysql packages and try again?
[19:13] <Angryele> Yeah done that before but I'll show you that message if its different
[19:14] <Angryele> Tried updating/upgrading everything before  and when I try apt purge mysql "E: Unable to locate package mysql"
[19:16] <TJ-> Angryele: did you confirm mysql-common was correctly installed?
[19:17] <Angryele> No have not
[19:19] <TJ-> Angryele: that's the package the contains the file that is apparently missing, so I'd "sudo apt --reinstall install mysql-common" first to ensure that is good
[19:21] <Angryele> http://prntscr.com/lt82n2  Full error I got
[19:21] <nacc> uh, not using ubuntu packages
[19:23] <nacc> Angryele: you are using mariadb's packages and mixing them with the ubuntu ones
[19:24] <TJ-> nacc: nicely spotted
[19:24] <Angryele> I might of actually, been stuck on this problem for a good couple of hours so might of done that once is one of the google search fixes
[19:25] <nacc> TJ-: it's probably the number one user error in this channel :)
[19:28] <Angryele> Whats the recommended fix? Have a mediocre amount of skill, doing this on my friends request as he wants to transition from windows server to ubuntu server but promptly fainted seeing the "all terminal" interface
[19:28] <nacc> Angryele: remove that repository and all packages from it
[19:33] <Angryele> Ok now I remembered what happened. Was going through old stuff was installing the pterodactyl game panel I must of installed mariaDB there. Thanks Nacc!


[10:53] <jsgotangco> ah
[11:30] <okaratas> hello
[11:44] <J-B_> /usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libgcrypt.so.11: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied                                                                                [fail]
[11:45] <J-B_> anyone know this error message
[11:45] <J-B_> ?


[00:14] <callmepk> Good morning
[03:29] <pieq> hi duflu! Regardung <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1869857>, what's the easiest way to install 5.3 kernel on focal?
[03:29] <pieq> duflu, I think I'll try installing older version of bluez first, just to make sure it's not bluez regression
[03:30] <duflu> Just a sec...
[03:31] <duflu> pieq, you can choose a kernel from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=M;O=D and skip any packages mentioning 'lowlatency'
[03:36] <pieq> thanks duflu
[06:19] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:19] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:20] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:20] <duflu> seb128, feeling better than I have lately. You?
[06:20] <jibel> hi all
[06:20] <duflu> Hi jibel
[06:20] <seb128> lut jibel, comment ça va ?
[06:21] <seb128> duflu, that's good to read! I'm fine, could have slept a bit more though
[06:23] <duflu> Also biab..
[06:23] <seb128> urg, sorry, wrong command and I managed to close my session :-/
[06:24] <seb128> jibel, how are you?
[06:24]  * seb128 downloads a beta iso
[06:27] <jibel> seb128, I'm good. I'd really need more exercise though. You?
[06:28] <seb128> jibel, I'm good thanks! Similar problem here, the ratio food/movement is not good atm, I feel better when I exercice more :-/
[06:29] <jibel> sooo, beta is broken on kde
[06:35] <didrocks> good morning
[06:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:42] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[06:43] <seb128> jibel, where would be the fun without a bug :p
[06:44] <seb128> wooot, at least the plymouth fixes work, iso checksum feedback is back on screen \o/ :)
[06:44] <seb128> slightly buggy though
[06:45] <seb128> duflu, so, for some reason the md5 check tell to "ctrl-C to cancel the filesystem check" instead of "S to skip", did you notice that?
[06:45] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, didrocks
[06:46] <didrocks> ça va seb128, et toi ?
[06:46] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:47] <seb128> didrocks, je dormirais bien, et c'est pas journée 'jonglage', mais sinon ça va :)
[06:47] <seb128> happy to see that the plymouth spinner theme is getting there
[06:50] <seb128> duflu, bug #1870018 on lubuntu which doesn't use spinner, I guess it means it's not us but the new casper
[06:50] <seb128> xnox, ^ regression from your recent casper changes?
[06:51] <seb128> ah, changelog says it was changed to ctrl-C on purpose
[06:52] <didrocks> libmtp regressed, can’t transfer any "big files" anymore to the sd card of my phone anymore and the error is quite cryptique. We’ll see later by bluetooth never worked, mtp was flacky and now, no more solution :(
[07:03] <seb128> didrocks, what's the error?
[07:06] <didrocks> seb128: libmtp error: Could not send object info.
[07:06] <seb128> didrocks, does it do it at a random time?
[07:06] <didrocks> quite cryptic and googling just shows up bugs from 2012 with some workarounds, but I guess it’s a bag mix of things
[07:06] <seb128> :-/
[07:07] <didrocks> seb128: no, I have it reliably when I start doing the file transfer
[07:07] <didrocks> only for big files on the sd card
[07:07] <seb128> you could try to install the libmtp from bionic see if that fixes it I guess
[07:07] <didrocks> (sd card from my phone)
[07:07] <seb128> could also be the kernel or something else...
[07:07] <didrocks> do you think nautilus will still work? (no libc or such?)
[07:08] <seb128> apt will tell you if some depends is unhappy
[07:08] <jamesh> yay.  https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8289 has been merged
[07:08] <gitbot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 8289 in snapd "xdgopenproxy: forward requests to the desktop portal" [Squash-Merge, Closed]
[07:08] <seb128> but otherwise just rebuild the bionic libmtp on focal
[07:08] <seb128> to pikc right depends
[07:08] <seb128> libmtp doesn't change much, I doubt anything requires a new symbol or anything like that
[07:08] <seb128> jamesh, wooot, well done :)
[07:09] <didrocks> well, apt won’t tell me as I’ll dpkg :p
[07:09] <jamesh> fewer ugly Zenity dialogs
[07:10] <seb128> didrocks, if you dpkg and apt -f install it will tell you if things are in a way apt doesn't like it usually
[07:10] <seb128> and probably suggest to upgrade libmtp in that case probably
[07:11] <seb128> (yes, hackish way ;-)
[07:11] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, so no conflict, but after killing nautilus and all *mtp* processes, replug the phone, select mtp, no way to access my phone content by mtp anymore
[07:11] <didrocks> /usr/libexec/gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor is started though
[07:11] <didrocks> but nautilus is spinning forever
[07:12] <seb128> :-/
[07:12] <seb128> didrocks, no gvfsd-mtp ?
[07:12] <didrocks> maybe maybe I should kill the gvfs processes as well?
[07:12] <didrocks> no
[07:13] <seb128> try starting it by hand
[07:13] <seb128> maybe it does want a new symbol...
[07:13] <didrocks> /usr/libexec/gvfsd-mtp: symbol lookup error: /usr/libexec/gvfsd-mtp: undefined symbol: LIBMTP_Move_Object
[07:13] <seb128> :(
[07:13] <didrocks> apt didn’t complain
[07:13] <didrocks> see :p
[07:13] <seb128> you win :)
[07:13] <didrocks> unsure it’s a win TBH :p
[07:13] <seb128> well "win"
[07:13] <seb128> right...
[07:14] <didrocks> it was still working a week ago
[07:14] <didrocks> so, I’ll rather try 1.1.17-2 just in case
[07:14] <seb128> debian/libmtp9.symbols: LIBMTP_Move_Object@Base 1.1.16
[07:15] <seb128> yu can try 1.1.16 from disco/eoan
[07:15] <didrocks> I doubt that it’s 1.1.17-3 which broke it
[07:15] <didrocks> seb128: as -2 was working, let’s go the easy path
[07:15] <didrocks> to at least single out libmtp
[07:15] <seb128> yeah
[07:15] <seb128> -3 only changed udev rules
[07:15] <seb128> to not claim devices that are printer
[07:16] <seb128> so I doubt it's the issue
[07:16] <didrocks> same
[07:18] <didrocks> gvfsd-mtp exits
[07:19] <didrocks> and nautilus spins forever
[07:19] <didrocks> maybe should kill all gvfsd processes
[07:19] <didrocks> anyway, won’t logout/login back
[07:19] <didrocks> but I feel this is a regression from another part of the stack
[07:20] <didrocks> transferring files to phone has always been an issue at least on my phones, dunno why :/
[07:20] <didrocks> (and when I got the error, nothing in the journal)
[07:21] <duflu> seb128, just caught up, yes that's from casper
[08:02] <Laney> morning
[08:09] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? happy beta testing day!
[08:15] <duflu> Ain't that the truth
[08:15] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:16] <Laney> hey didrocks seb128 duflu
[08:16] <Laney> straight into it!
[08:17] <duflu> seb128, fyi it doesn't sound like PulseAudio 14 will be tagged soon: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pulseaudio/pulseaudio/-/issues/733 but I also know of no reason why that would be a problem for us
[08:17] <duflu> Just not a clean version number
[08:17] <seb128> right
[08:17] <xnox> seb128: so S was brand new, and I changed to the thing that fckd uses.... Such that "everything" works the same... That's one of the things I need to check that help message about ctrl+c is shown....
[08:18] <seb128> we can SRU it and have it for .1 if it's late
[08:18] <seb128> xnox, it works for us but looks like some flavor might have their theme not ready for that
[08:18] <xnox> (in-focal regression basically, cause S was visible, and available only briefly in Focal)
[08:18] <seb128> right
[08:19] <xnox> Horum
[08:19] <xnox> If they use ubuntu-logo like themes, I guess I can generate per-theme messages...
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[08:19] <xnox> Or do integrity check by default only on flavours that have Plymouth integration working
[08:20] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson!
[08:20] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you today?
[08:20] <seb128> xnox, good news is that md5checksum and shutdown message are working now on the beta ISO for Ubuntu :)
[08:20] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks, seb128, doing fine thanks you?
[08:20] <seb128> doing good, thanks!
[08:21] <didrocks> marcustomlinson: good good
[08:23] <seb128> Trevinho, bonjouno!
[08:31] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson and Trevinho?
[08:32] <duflu> and xnox
[08:32] <marcustomlinson> hey duflu!
[08:32] <duflu> xnox, I observe that bluetoothd doesn't seem to leave core dumps and we don't get crash reports. Even when my kernel log shows a crash. Is that some systemd config?
[08:34] <xnox> duflu: do you have apport & whoopsie installed and enabled?!
[08:34] <duflu> Yes, other things leave .crash files
[08:34] <duflu> Hmm
[08:34] <xnox> Huh?! Hmmm indeed
[08:35] <duflu> But also errors.ubuntu.com doesn't show us crashes from anyone's
[08:35] <duflu> Only from supplementary bluez binaries
[08:35] <xnox> duflu: Open a bug report against Bluetooth&whoopsie and we can investigate.
[08:35] <xnox> And tag it champagne
[08:42] <seb128> duflu, did you keep the buggy .config/pulse ? could be interesting to upstream, they asked for it befor
[08:42] <duflu> seb128, no, I just wrote that in the bug :(
[08:42] <duflu> I did not feel it was valuable to me at the time
[08:43] <duflu> But if that's the issue then good news: progress!
[09:00] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers
[09:00] <marcustomlinson> morning Wimpress
[09:00] <jamesh> tkamppeter: if you want to chat about the cups changes at some point, just ask
[09:02] <duflu> Morning Wimpress
[09:04] <didrocks> morning Wimpress
[10:12] <Laney> anyone noticed gnome-disks not giving progress updates when it's burning isos?
[10:12] <Laney> like some callback isn't happening or something
[10:26] <duflu> seb128, bad news is that I have good news: Another update is needed: bug 1838725
[10:27] <duflu> I'm hoping that will help with Nvidia too, as well as AMD systems mentioned upstream
[10:27] <duflu> Will find out another day
[11:51] <oSoMoN> xnox, do you know when you'll be able to review my nodejs 10.19.0 merge? there's a firefox 75.0 RC that requires it as a build dep
[11:51] <Wimpress> tkamppeter: Hi there.
[11:52] <Wimpress> Are you aware of this issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1869981
[11:53] <xnox> oSoMoN:  today, let me see
[11:53] <oSoMoN> cool, thanks!
[11:54] <tkamppeter> Wimpress, no, this is the first time someone reporting it.
[11:54] <Wimpress> OK
[11:56] <tkamppeter> Wimpress, can be that it is due to CUPS being stopped and restarted for logrotate at midnight, perhaps one needs to somehow turn off notifications during this process.
[12:01] <tkamppeter> Wimpress, probably the new GNOME is more verbose, generating notification pop-ups in situations where the old version did not.
[12:02] <tkamppeter> Wimpress, on CUPS there were no recent changes, the 2.3.1 release was already several months ago and now Apple is re-structuring and therefore they did not issue a new CUPS version.
[12:03] <tkamppeter> Wimpress, what is the GNOME component receiving the CUPS events and deciding which ones are worth notifying about? We need to move this bug to that component.
[12:05] <mdeslaur> I started getting that on 18.04 for the past month or so
[12:06] <mdeslaur> or perhaps the past couple of weeks
[12:23] <Wimpress> seb128 Create job on the spinner theme :D
[12:23] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, AFAIK there was no update of CUPS in 18.04 in the last weeks. Did perhaps any GNOME components get updated which could have changed notification behavior.
[12:30] <mdeslaur> good question
[12:30] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: the kernel isn't involved in this at all, is it?
[12:30] <mdeslaur> I don't see anything sticking out as being a problematic update
[12:39] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, no, the kernel cannot be the culprit.
[12:40] <mdeslaur> I'll try and investigate more tomorrow morning once I get the notification again
[12:40] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: is there a particular log file I can look at to see those events?
[12:40] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, CUPS has a D-Bus service for notifications. GNOMe subscribes to certain notification events and pops up notification, not necessarily for all events.
[12:42] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, if you run CUPS in debug mode ("LogLevel debug" in cupsd.conf) /var/log/cups/error_log should show when CUPS has served a notification to a client, but there one cannot see how the client will use it.
[12:43] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: ok, I'll set it to debug mode and will comment in the bug if I see anything interesting, thanks tkamppeter
[12:43] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: I just did systemctl restart cups after adding the debug line, and the notification popped up
[12:43] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: could it coincide with the logrotate?
[12:47] <Wimpress> Hey desktoppers
[12:47] <Wimpress> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/chiPB8gm/Screenshot%20from%202020-04-01%2013-33-35.png
[12:48] <Wimpress> Ideas for apps to list in that ☝ which add value to the desktop.
[12:50] <didrocks> zoom-client, given the context :)
[12:53] <oSoMoN> that would be timely
[12:57] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, yes, logrotate stops CUPS, rotates the logs and starts CUPS, so you should be able to reproduce the bug by simply stopping and starting CUPS, as you did now.
[13:27] <seb128> Wimpress, thanks, credit goes to duflu as well :)
[13:27] <clobrano> Wimpress, Telegram is quite used nowadays
[13:28] <clobrano> ...talking about suggested apps
[13:37] <Wimpress> clobrano1: Telegram is in the list, just not shown in that screenshot 🙂
[13:46] <Trevinho> Wimpress: Very nice. For future iterations, would probably be nice to also provide a combo list depending on the type of user you are... Like my mum won't be interested by PyCharm CE (I'm also curious how she would spell that xD), but maybe she might enjoy play a game or well, I mean, these are a great selection for developers, although they normally know how to find things, while casual
[13:46] <Trevinho> users might be the one who need more "initial traininig"
[13:55] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[13:55] <Trevinho> hi seb128 all good :)
[13:55] <seb128> Trevinho, did you test your patch on upstream shell or on the ubuntu package?
[13:55] <Trevinho> you?
[13:55] <seb128> good, thanks
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, I still see snap-store with that patch applied to the focal package...
[13:56] <Trevinho> seb128: well, I've tested locally in my dev env, but it's just like ubuntu as I've the same XDG_RUNTIME_DESKTOP set
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, do you have ubuntu patches applied
[13:56] <seb128> or is it upstream code?
[13:56] <Trevinho> seb128: snap store version in snap (store) has not the notshowin thingy no?
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, you need the beta channel one
[13:56] <seb128> see my email
[13:56] <Trevinho> seb128: let my try with both, but...
[13:56] <seb128> can you test that?
[13:57] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, I don't care much I just modified it and added to my apps
[13:57] <Trevinho> let me try again
[13:57] <seb128> Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/472012147/gnome-shell_3.36.0-2ubuntu3~debug3_3.36.0-2ubuntu3~build1.diff.gz
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, the debdiff is abit weird because I had before tried to disable some distro patches to make sure it was not it
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, wait, let me check something :p
[14:02] <Trevinho> seb128: works here... check the visual check in telegram :)
[14:03] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry, works for me as well now, teaching me trying one last cycle at midnight :p
[14:03] <Trevinho> seb128: the only option could be that GLib.getenv('XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP') is null when the shell is ran? But I assume not, as that should be set
[14:04] <seb128> Trevinho, I had another set of shell debs in the same dir which had another revision and I did dpkg -IO *.deb which ended up with the other version
[14:04] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry for the noise, it works :)
[14:04] <Trevinho> ahah good for once you had a false-positive!!! :-D
[14:04]  * Trevinho celebrateeees
[14:04]  * seb128 sets the bug back to fix commited
[14:04] <seb128> hehe$
[14:15] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[14:15] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[14:15] <hellsworth> o/ marcustomlinson !
[14:17] <seb128> hey Heather
[14:17] <didrocks> hey hellsworth!
[14:17] <hellsworth> hi seb128 , didrocks !
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, replying to your email here rather
[14:18] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[14:18] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, is the shell issue the only thingblocking you to land the beta snap-store version to stable?
[14:19] <kenvandine> no
[14:19] <seb128> so it's not an issue for beta?
[14:19] <seb128> I think Trevinho is going to want to land .1 with some other fixes after beta, so that can wait for that right?
[14:19] <kenvandine> it would be nice to have the shell fix in beta
[14:19] <seb128> why?
[14:19] <seb128> if it has no impact
[14:19] <kenvandine> just so the beta release has the right desktop file
[14:20] <kenvandine> the beta snap is actually in focal :)
[14:20] <seb128> do we install the snap from beta?
[14:20] <Trevinho> well, aren't we in freeze  now?
[14:20] <seb128> ah
[14:20] <seb128> Trevinho, we are
[14:20] <kenvandine> it's also on ubuntu-20.04
[14:20] <Trevinho> so....
[14:20] <kenvandine> it's fine for after beta
[14:20] <seb128> kenvandine, I would suggest you just amend the .desktop until we land the fix
[14:20] <seb128> remove the onlyshowin
[14:20] <seb128> and make snap-store NoDisplay=true?
[14:21] <kenvandine> I can do that
[14:21] <seb128> everyone gets ubuntu-software this one for beta
[14:21] <kenvandine> cool
[14:21] <seb128> we are not likely to see a gnome-shell upload migrating and land on a respin for that issue
[14:21] <seb128> thx
[14:21] <seb128> Trevinho, we are frozen but we take fixes for bugs we consider milestone blockers
[14:22] <seb128> that one could be considered one
[14:22] <seb128> but I think just realxing the .desktop rules as a workaround is easier
[14:22] <kenvandine> we can work around it in the snap
[14:22] <seb128> thx
[14:22] <kenvandine> since the snap from that channel is only in focal
[14:22] <seb128> Trevinho, just make sure to cherry pick that one with your next upload please :)
[14:24] <Trevinho> yeah, sure it's already done
[14:28] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 017beae Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series main-Don-t-override-DesktopAppInfo-desktop-if-already-GNO.patch * debian/patches: Don't override DestkopAppInfo desktop env * https://deb.li/jZev
[14:28] <Trevinho> seb128: ^
[14:32] <KGB-0> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 58f5f8e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ series main-Don-t-override-DesktopAppInfo-desktop-if-already-GNO.patch * debian/patches: Don't override DestkopAppInfo desktop env * https://deb.li/3TMSU
[14:34] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[14:34] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[14:34] <Laney> stop force pushing!
[14:34] <Trevinho> Laney: :*
[14:35] <kenvandine> Trevinho, seb128 thanks
[14:35] <Trevinho> Laney: that was just to be nicer on patch-tagging adding the bug-ubuntu line I forgot
[14:35] <Trevinho> (although it was mentioned in commit for gbp dch love)
[14:36] <Laney> riiiiight, that probably didn't need to be a force push
[14:37] <Laney> anyway, consider yourself spanked
[14:38] <seb128> Laney, re gnome-disks, what do you call 'burning iso'? I've a nice progress bar updating correctly when I do 'restore image' to an usb stick
[14:39] <Laney> that
[14:40] <seb128> k, so it's not a 'buggy for everyone'
[15:45] <xnox> oSoMoN:  nodejs uploaded, although i think we can drop portions of delta around acorn stuff, but not too sure. Will revisit later.
[15:46] <oSoMoN> xnox, ack, thanks a bunch!
[16:46] <Laney> who wants to write some cool things in the beta release notes?
[16:46] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[16:46] <Laney> there's sections for neat stuff you worked on
[17:01] <iam730> are there any twitter desktop clients that are better than just plain twitter.com in a standard browser?
[19:09] <KGB-2> mutter debian/master Simon McVittie * [update] merge request !58: WIP: 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/3cOHh
[19:15] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, ^ should we only be notified about ubuntu/master?
[20:50] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, do you have an issue where snapcraft stops finding the gnome-3-34 extension? I installed candidate, but now my build is complaining again - is there a different version inside the VM?
[20:51] <kenvandine> yes
[20:51] <kenvandine> the VM refreshes to stable
[20:51] <robert_ancell> :/
[20:51] <kenvandine> snapcraft --debug
[20:51] <kenvandine> snap refresh --candidate snapcraft
[20:51] <kenvandine> in the debug shell
[20:51] <kenvandine> then you'll be good
[20:52] <kenvandine> sergio has a fix in the pipe somewhere
[20:52] <robert_ancell> Does that stick?
[20:52] <kenvandine> yes
[20:52] <kenvandine> once you refresh it, it'll stick
[20:52] <robert_ancell> Nice.
[20:59] <Laney> seb128: It doesn't apply to merge requests
[21:00] <Laney> Someone needs to work on a change to do that
[21:00] <Laney> hint
[21:14] <seb128> Laney, ah, ok
[21:16] <seb128> hint taken, maybe for my next hackday, I should try to have one of those every now and then, was nice when we did it
[21:17] <seb128> kenvandine, NotShowIn=ubuntu:GNOME; sounds weird/buggy, why would you do that?
[21:17] <kenvandine> we don't want snap-store to show in ubuntu:GNOME
[21:17] <seb128> does it work?
[21:18] <seb128> I don't think the spec allows for that
[21:18] <seb128> you don't want it to show in 'ubuntu'
[21:18] <kenvandine> oh... are you sure?
[21:18] <seb128> GNOME is a fallback in the definition
[21:18] <kenvandine> i was worried about effecting flavors
[21:18] <seb128> ?
[21:19] <kenvandine> like MATE maybe
[21:19] <seb128> no flavor claims to be 'ubuntu' afaik?
[21:19] <kenvandine> ok
[21:19] <kenvandine> good ;)
[21:19] <kenvandine> then i can change it
[21:20] <kenvandine> for now i've published it with the workaround
[21:20] <seb128> great
[21:20] <kenvandine> and that's working
[21:21] <kenvandine> but of course i don't want that to ever go to stable :)
[21:21] <seb128> right
[21:21] <seb128> well the shell fix is fix commited
[21:21] <seb128> so you can revert after beta
[21:22] <kenvandine> yup
[21:40] <seb128> kenvandine, bug #1870184 ... is 'snap-store' supposed to show debs?
[21:40] <seb128> kenvandine, to me it looks like from the screenshot they just got the wrong variant and have snaps only (the showonlyin bug)
[21:41] <kenvandine> Well, I'm seeing this currently as well
[21:41] <kenvandine> But couldn't reproduce it on today's daily image
[21:41] <seb128> 'snap-store" I though only had the snap plugin enabled
[21:42] <seb128> unlike snap-store.ubuntu-software?
[21:42] <kenvandine> It actually doesn't matter which desktop file you click
[21:42] <seb128> or did I get that wrong?
[21:42] <seb128> ah
[21:42] <seb128> same code, the .desktop is only reflecting the runtime capacity?
[21:42] <kenvandine> Yeah
[21:42] <seb128> k
[21:42] <kenvandine> Just for display
[22:08] <KGB-0> mutter debian/master Simon McVittie * [update] merge request !58: WIP: 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/3cOHh
[22:09] <KGB-0> gnome-shell debian/master Simon McVittie * [update] merge request !37: WIP: 3.36.1 * https://deb.li/PVai


[08:16] <dragon_> are there any settings in lxqt for screensavers?
[08:16] <dragon_> After the 22.10 upgrade I have a few problems with the monitor settings
[08:17] <dragon_> I think it might be a lubuntu issue, more than a lxqt, but possibly not.
[09:21] <matkoniecz36> Hello! Are you aware that Discourse forums are broken (or maybe it is just me?).
[09:21] <matkoniecz36> If I enter say my https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/how-can-i-change-which-software-is-used-to-open-folders/3716 thread nothing on page is clickable or scrollable
[09:21] <matkoniecz36> Console log has "Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a resource at inline ("script-src"). Source: // This script is inlined in `_discourse_splash.html.erb"
[09:42] <matkoniecz36> per https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-users/2022-October/012682.html it is fully broken in general
[09:43] <kc2bez[m]> It is a known issue and being worked on.
[09:44] <kc2bez[m]> There was discussion about it last night in this chat.
[09:44] <kc2bez[m]> Sorry the development chat
[09:46] <matkoniecz36> In meantime - is anyone aware how can I change software used to open folders?
[09:46] <matkoniecz36> I went into configuration center, selected file associations, inode section, directory - and changed default software.
[09:46] <matkoniecz36> It is completely ignored, went into this setting and it is as I set it.
[09:46] <matkoniecz36> How can I change which software is used to open folders?
[09:48] <dragon_> Is lubuntu on discord?
[09:50] <kc2bez[m]> No
[09:51] <kc2bez[m]> matkoniecz36: do you want to change your default file manager?
[10:28] <cry0xen> matkoniecz36: its not just you, i am also seeing a problem. its as if someone switched the forum with a jpeg
[10:30] <cry0xen> And just gonna say it so that "I" can feel unburdened, Discourse forum software flusters me with information, its cull of distractions as well as not intuitive at all. However thats just me.
[10:32] <cry0xen> i believe there are much simpler and nicer free alternatives like phpbb mybb simple machine forums flarum lemmy etc.


[09:55] <rogbro> Hello, I experiment complete freezes of my computer since I have upgraded to 17.04. The system log shows that the Oops is located in the "nouveau" driver. I was wondering where I should report the bug ?
[11:30] <mamarley> apw: It looks like the mainline kernel builds might have bombed out again.  It has been 9 hours since 4.11 was tagged and it hasn't appeared yet in the list.