[15:56] <Wiz-KeeD> hey guys, can someone help out it seems the my monitor is flickering pretty bad and my eyes are getting sore on this new laptop :(
[15:56] <Wiz-KeeD> anyone have any suggestions?
[15:56] <jasic> clefebvre_, dude, ok say lets then talk about the Ubuntu ;)
[15:56] <jasic> clefebvre_, have you tried Saucy ??
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> andreb: ubuntu server doesnt have a mouse pointer
[15:56] <clefebvre_> jasic: not yet no
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> andreb: server is cli only
[15:57] <jasic> clefebvre_, so want you have a try or during respin only ??
[15:57] <hitsujiTMO> deitarion: add it in /etc/default/grub     the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"          then run: sudo update-grub
[15:57] <andreb> i installed gnome on it to make admin it a little easier
[15:57] <Gallomimia> i seem to recall being told server can install a gui. also, there's a #ubuntu-server channel
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> andreb: then its a desktop OS
[15:57] <clefebvre_> jasic: I've downloaded it, hopefully when I've more spare time.
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> andreb: if you wanted a GUI OS, why not install the desktop OS?
[15:57] <Wiz-KeeD> anyone?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what make and model laptop?
[15:57] <moppy> Wiz-KeeD: what do you mean by flickering?
[15:58] <Gallomimia> Wiz-KeeD: sounds like you have set it to the wrong refresh
[15:58] <jasic> clefebvre_, you are currently off the mint irc?
[15:58] <Gallomimia> rate*
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what GPU?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: which ubuntu release?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: details.....?
[15:58] <clefebvre_> jasic: it's on irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-chat
[15:58] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, ubuntu model or notebook?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: both
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: you have stated the issue, yet no details about the setup it is happening
[15:59] <Wiz-KeeD> uname -r is 3.8.0-32-generic
[15:59] <werty> Hi, I wanted to install Ubuntu with full-encryption enabled. But to do so, I have to select "erase entire disk"... if I do so, will I have the possibility to install other SO alongside this Ubuntu encrypted one?
[15:59] <Wiz-KeeD> how do i extract the hardware data ActionParsnip ?
[15:59] <Gallomimia> Wiz-KeeD: we usually know it before installing ubuntu...
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: sudo dmidecode -t 1; sudo lshw -C display
[15:59]  * Gallomimia writes this down...
[16:00] <Wiz-KeeD> know what before installnig buntu Gallomimia ?
[16:00] <andreb> ACtion : Installed the GUI so my manager can do some work on it if he watned too.. hes not so well will linux a gui made he feel more comfortable having the box around
[16:00] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, http://pastie.org/8427206
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> andreb: i suggest you stick to the desktop ISO until you become versed in the OS
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> andreb: did you install xsrceensaver
[16:01] <Wiz-KeeD> resolution is 1920 x 1080
[16:01] <Gallomimia> andreb are you actually planning to use it as a server all the time, or is it possibly going to be used as a workstation too?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: so your question should have been:  "I have an Aspire V3-771 with Optimus GPU and the screen is flickering under Ubuntu Precise"
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: yes?
[16:01] <andreb> I i install xscreensaver 5.15
[16:01] <Wiz-KeeD> that would be much more accurate yes
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: can you please give details like that, in future, it makes things a tonne quicker
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, also under windows, but in grub and boot it doesn't seem to have problems
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue    you can paste to the channel as it is one line
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> Especially on gradient gray and colors like that you can really see it
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[16:02] <RayWizard> is there a way to force linux save clipboard somewhere, i cant ctrl-v after ctrl-c if i closed source application
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> ?
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: did you install bumblebee?
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> issue pastes the ubuntu model? wierd
[16:03] <jasic> guys why the ubuntu doesn't feature a cool integration for bluetooth services
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> no I did not ActionParsnip
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> wierd thing is that it happens under Windows as well...
[16:03] <Gallomimia> RayWizard: um... what environment are you operating in? my clipboard works pretty well
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> !info bumblebee
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: well you have an OPtimus switching GPU mess, you will need it to get some sort of support
[16:04] <Wiz-KeeD> mess? why do you say that?
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: imho its a nasty hack
[16:04] <Wiz-KeeD> :(
[16:04] <RayWizard> clipboard works fine, but! if i close apllication where buffer was, and then try to ctrl-v it wont, buffer whould be empty, it seams only reference to data is stored
[16:04]  * Wiz-KeeD feels bad about the laptop he bought now
[16:04] <hitsujiTMO> RayWizard: if you cant ctrl+v after the app closes then that app must be using its own clipboard
[16:04] <moppy> Wiz-KeeD: if it doesnt work in windows either, im betting it's not drivers, and it's the chips on the fritz
[16:05] <Gallomimia> the hardware design, or software to drive it ActionParsnip ?
[16:05] <Wiz-KeeD> moppy, if so then I will try to return this laptop right away
[16:05] <Gallomimia> moppy: he said it DOES work in windows, but the problem persists during boots and grub
[16:05] <Gallomimia> oh, i must have read that wrong
[16:05] <Wiz-KeeD> I'll confirm again by switching to Windows
[16:05] <svector> what is happening with the line args.putInt(ArticleFragment.ARG_POSITION, position); at the end of http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html ?
[16:06] <svector> what are ARG_POSITION and position?
[16:06] <Gallomimia> arguments for a command
[16:07] <svector> Gallomimia, is ARG_POSITION inherited or assumed to be defined? Is it a known constant?
[16:08] <Gallomimia> svector: 1. ubuntu != android thankfully... 2. i'm going to have to read this page first
[16:08] <moppy> svector: sorry you appear to be asking an android development question? i would think one of the comptuer programming channels might be of more use?
[16:08] <svector> Gallomimia, oh sorry. I thought I was on #android-dev
[16:09] <svector> sorry guys
[16:09] <andreb> got it fixed.. via ssh.. xscreen couldnt read /etc/pam.d/common-session ...
[16:09] <svector> mistakenly got here
[16:10] <Gallomimia> svector: is this C++? you're going to have to look at the signature for the Bundle.putInt function in order to find out. does this function ask for its args by reference or as a copy?
[16:10] <deitarion> hitsujiTMO: That looks like it fixed it. Thanks.
[16:11] <hitsujiTMO> deitarion: np at all
[16:12] <deitarion> ...but now we've got another problem. Ever since I tried running Firefox with pasuspender to gather data on why his Flash audio might be stuttering, he's had no sound because his pavucontrol keeps flickering between speakers and headphones, forcing a ALSA mixer mute each time it happens.
[16:12] <deitarion> s/a ALSA/a full ALSA/
[16:13] <Patero-ng> is there a way to view pictures on ubuntu server and those picture being from internet source
[16:13] <Ubnoobtu> saiar895: So, I have a question. What drivers am I using>?
[16:14] <deitarion> I don't know how to fix that. Ripping PulseAudio out of my system is coded into the post-installer setup script I always run on my systems. (I'd do it on his too since it causes latency in LMMS but, at the ALSA level, his system sets the S/PDIF output as default and I don't know how to change that without writing a whole new asoundrc.)
[16:14] <k1l> Patero-ng: what does ubuntu server has to do with it?
[16:15] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: I'm guessing the open-source Nouveau drivers, but can you open Terminal and type in "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"?
[16:15] <Patero-ng> k1l: is the only ubuntu installed
[16:16] <Patero-ng> and I love using termianal remains me of my time using dos
[16:17] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: i think you need to install fbida    its the image addon for w3m iirc
[16:17] <Gallomimia> patero-ng curl and wget are good cli tools for fetching content from a http server. including pictures
[16:18] <jasic> guys why the ubuntu doesn't feature a cool integration for bluetooth services
[16:19] <Patero-ng> Gallomimia: but then how do I see the picture?
[16:19] <k1l> jasic: a "cool"? it does integrate bluetooth already
[16:20] <dannymichel> to make fonts look exactly like this using Infinality? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=148200&p=777346#p777346
[16:20] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: explain me more
[16:20] <jasic> k1l, it just integrate but doesn't features more services
[16:20] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: you want to view images on web in ubuntu-server right?
[16:21] <deitarion> Ok. I've figured that out. PulseAudio was muted and it applies its settings whenever the jack sense changes and it appears the jack sensing is messed up.
[16:21] <dannymichel> I will pay someone to do it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182682&page=2&p=12826805#post12826805
[16:21] <Ubnoobtu> saiar895: now its listing drivers for the videocard, which do I pick?
[16:22] <Patero-ng> yes hitsujiTMO
[16:22] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: where? Terminal or Software and Updates?
[16:22] <Ubnoobtu> software and updates
[16:23] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: w3m is the default web browser on ubuntu server but is text only. fbida adds image support
[16:23] <wilee-nilee> !mint | dannymichel
[16:23] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: sweet
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> on this image with the new laptop under windows and ubuntu
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> http://filelist.ro/styles/images/header-silver.png
[16:24] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: interesting. Is there a recommended driver, or something indicated?
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> it flickers pretty bad...
[16:24] <hitsujiTMO> dannymichel: i think you are reffering to font hinting. try installing unity-tweak-tool and changing font hinting to medium or full
[16:25] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: one the is propietary and tested
[16:25] <Patero-ng> is there a command to know the latest programs installed
[16:25] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: things still flickering??
[16:25] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: try that one.
[16:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, yes sir it is!
[16:26] <Gallomimia> if it flickers under both OS's you have one of three things wrong: possibly some software in the GPU and board is messed up. Possibly something in your bios is messed up. Most likely there's a hardware problem and you should return it. Seek hardware testing suites to look
[16:26] <Ubnoobtu> how would I find out how to open the settings once I do that. I have a hard time remember what each command is to open up those menus
[16:26] <tubaguy_> Is there a way to allow a user to restart a service, but not added it to sudoers?
[16:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, they updated the bios btw! at the warranty
[16:26] <tubaguy_> add*
[16:27] <Gallomimia> Patero-ng: yes. it's dpkg. read the manual and find out how to list all installed packages. it should have an option to list by install date
[16:27] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: sudoers can probably let you restrict the commands each group of "sudo" capable users is allowed to do
[16:27] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: you can just hit the start key, type in "Software", and either "Software & Updates" or "Software Sources" should come up.
[16:28] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: from there, you can enable or disable proprietary drivers
[16:28] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: I have this in visudo: username ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/php5-fpm
[16:28] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: if that's something that has changed since your last "working" state of this computer, then you should look into that very strongly. i was going to say it's probably not that cause no one changed it... but they did.
[16:29] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: When I try "sudo /etc/init.d/php5-fpm stop" I get no feedback and the service doesn't stop.
[16:29] <frojnd> I don't know if this is vbox question or not. The thing is that I've installed guest addons for ubuntu 12.4. Yet when I press combination of keys (My host is running xmonad) to switch windows it wont. It's stuck inside window where guest is running. Is this ubuntu 12.04 issue or virtualbox issue?
[16:29] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: unfortunately i'm not well versed in sudo. i know enough to think it's possible but i need to study it myself
[16:29] <tubaguy_> here's where I'm at if anyone can help: http://serverfault.com/questions/548362/user-with-root-privileges-to-restart-a-service-cant
[16:29] <cheater_3> hi
[16:30] <cheater_3> do the mainline kernel builds in the kernel ppa have pae support?
[16:30] <Calinou> hi, I may upgrade to 13.10 soon, and currently I have nvidia driver installed from xorg-edgers, what is the best option to do before upgrade? switch to nouveau?
[16:31] <Ubnoobtu> okay, so I found out I could sudo nvidia-settings but its now saying that... " you do not appear to be sing the NVIDIA X driver, please edit your X configuration file, ( just run ' nvidia-xconfig' as root), and restart the X server
[16:31] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: what is the user name you wish to allow access to that service?
[16:32] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: follow what it says. Run "sudo nvidia-xconfig".
[16:32] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: strativent
[16:33] <Ubnoobtu> in the terminal its saying IBUS WARNING**: The Owner is of /home/******/.config/ibus/bus is not root!
[16:33] <saiarcot895> Calinou: You might want to use ppa-purge to revert to the official packages from xorg-edgers and then upgrade, so that there are no version conflicts and so that it's a clean upgrade
[16:33] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: ignore that
[16:33] <Calinou> saiarcot895: ok, thanks :)
[16:33] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: if permissions on your script file are 755 everyone should be able to execute it
[16:34] <Gallomimia> shouldn't need sudo at all
[16:34] <Calinou> saiarcot895: if I use ppa-purge, which driver will be used?
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: add the line: strativent ALL= /etc/init.d/php5-fpm
[16:34] <Calinou> nouveau or nvidia proprietary?
[16:34] <Calinou> not that important i know, just wanting to know :)
[16:34] <saiarcot895> Calinou: I think you'll still be using the nvidia drivers
[16:35] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: okay, I ran sudo nvidia-xconfig. New X configuration file written to '/etc/x11/xorg.conf'
[16:35] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: that being said i'm going to suggest that possibly the script in question forks and loses privs when running as someone who can't run much with sudo
[16:35] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: now try running nvidia-settings
[16:35] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: Correct.  It needs to be run as root.
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | Gallomimia, you clearly don't understand the problem.
[16:35] <Calinou> ok
[16:35] <gotsaquestion> Hey, does anybody know what ubuntus source code is programmed in???
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: that's not a very easy question to answer
[16:36] <Ubnoobtu> I get the same messages
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: Ubuntu is a particular distribution, with stuff written in all kinds of languages
[16:36] <toggler> Does anybody have "extended knowledge" about 3G Modems in Ubuntu?
[16:36] <gotsaquestion> do you have any idea where i can find out???
[16:36] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: I forgot the part where it said "restart the X server"
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: find out what?
[16:37] <esing> hi
[16:37] <wylde> gotsaquestion, pick a package, grab the source and have a look ;)
[16:37] <Ubnoobtu> okay so it just when all crazy colored and whent black
[16:37] <gotsaquestion> what ubuntu 13.04 is programmed in (source code-wise)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: I already told you
[16:37] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: I already did that.  In that ServerFault question I did "strativent ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/php5-fpm"
[16:37] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: its back, normally.
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: lots of different languages
[16:37] <esing> I have issues with ubuntu's radeon driver. I noticed this error in kern.log, what does it mean? http://dpaste.com/1428205/
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: it's not one single project
[16:38] <gotsaquestion> is there a primary language? C maybe?
[16:38] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: In auth.log I see that strativent calls the command as root, but nothing happens.
[16:38] <wylde> gotsaquestion, it's not one big source. It's many many packages coded in a number of languages.
[16:38] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: depends which bit you look at
[16:38] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: the Linux kernel is written in C
[16:38] <saiarcot895> gotsaquestion: for starters, there's C++, Python, and C
[16:38] <Boneslash>       #
[16:38] <Ubnoobtu> how do I restart the server
[16:38] <gotsaquestion> Oh yeah, duh... Sorry I didn't realize that
[16:38] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: try "sudo restart lightdm"
[16:39] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: have you ensured that all configs are correct? doesnt not seem like a sudo issue then?
[16:39] <gotsaquestion> How secure would you say Raring Ringtail is anyway? Like, are there any known vulnerabilities?
[16:39] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Root can start and stop the service just fine
[16:39] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I tried looking for fbida but is not listed
[16:39] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: pretty secure
[16:40] <costales> Hi! Where can I send an email to Canonical about a mobile business collaboration? Thanks in advance! :)
[16:40] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: as more people use the released version, more bugs get shaken out
[16:40] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: the sudo restart caused me to go to the log in window, and when i signed back in, the only thing on screen is my mouse cursor
[16:40] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: after a while the updates slow down, as it all gets worked out ;-)
[16:40] <gotsaquestion> But since it's open source, any programmer amongst all the contributors could leave a backdoor or something, right???
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> costales  ubuntu.com  contact
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: theoretically, yes
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: but it tends to get spotted straight away
[16:41] <toggler> If there is noone with knowledge for 3G Modems in linux: Would there be a more specific channel
[16:41] <toggler> where i could get help?
[16:41] <gordonjcp> toggler: don't ask to ask
[16:41] <Gallomimia> do believe i've read stories about such backdoors being spotted swiftly
[16:41] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: try fbi then
[16:41] <gotsaquestion> Oh. That's cool. I was worried about that
[16:41] <gordonjcp> toggler: just ask your specific question
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: in proprietary OSes you can hide all sorts of nasty stuff
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: I know, I've done it ;-)
[16:42] <malinus> gotsaquestion, you got it the other way around. Closed source, proprietary software almost definitely has backdoors, because why not? Open source software don't have that freedom because it can be reviewed.
[16:42] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: are there relative links in the config?
[16:42] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: which config?
[16:42] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: still nothing has come up?
[16:42] <gotsaquestion> proprietary OSes?
[16:42] <Ubnoobtu> nothing
[16:42] <Gallomimia> gotsaquestion: that exact story is why OpenSource in the first place
[16:42] <Ubnoobtu> should I reinstall?
[16:43] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: did you see the one about the root elevation trick that *nearly* got through, which came down to the difference between "==" and "=" in one part of the kernel?
[16:43] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: for php5-fpm. such as relative symlinks or relative paths being reffered?
[16:43] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Nope.  Like I said, root can start and stop the service just fine.
[16:43] <gotsaquestion> So, what's the big difference between UNIX and Linux anyway? Is it the GUI or something?
[16:43] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: long time ago now
[16:43] <Gallomimia> esing: i'm trying to compare your issue to mine from a week ago...
[16:44] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: can anyone with sudo group start and stop the service?
[16:44] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Yes.  I just don't want this user to have sudo access to everything.
[16:44] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: UNIX is a specific trademark, and to be called UNIX a Unix-like OS has to meet a certain set of criteria
[16:44] <moppy> gotsaquestion: originally linux was a clone of unix, but they;ve diverged now. some unix are open source btw
[16:44] <Gallomimia> gordonjcp: no i don't think i did. sounds interesting. i think the one i was looking at was something in the repo that didn't get checked in thru normal channels. obv someone must have hacked their repo and added stuff hoping to slip it thru
[16:45] <moppy> gotsaquestion: and there's lot of unix that are not named unix, for example citrix's netscalar
[16:45] <toggler> On my mobile phone I can make hash-tag requests (call *102#) and receive back a notice from my provider, can I do something similar with my 3G modem?
[16:45] <gotsaquestion> And Linux doesn't have a set of criteria?
[16:45] <k1l> !ot | gotsaquestion
[16:45] <costales> Thanks MonkeyDust :) I found this http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/contact-us I think is more specific. Thanks! :)
[16:45] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: at this point, i'll bow out. unsure as to where along the line the issue is failing
[16:45] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: at this point, I'm not sure.
[16:46] <moppy> gotsaquestion: its open source and anyone can fork it, im not sure that's really a relevant way it think about it
[16:47] <Gallomimia> linux is linux. there's no linux-like things afaik. all distros are based on the linux kernel plus other things they like
[16:48] <Ubnoobtu> okay, I restarted
[16:48] <Gallomimia> esing what drivers did you install, and what card do you have?\
[16:48] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot985, I had to force restart it, and now when I logged in, everything came up.,
[16:48] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: ok
[16:49] <leo-the-manic> Hi all. Trying to install the Jenkins tool following their instructions (https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Installing+Jenkins+on+Ubuntu). However when I run "apt-get install jenkins" it installs an old version (1.424); which seems to be in an Ubuntu package list. I don't have in-depth knowledge of apt-get; how can I use it to install the newer version from the Jenkins site?
[16:49] <Gallomimia> esing: i had problems with the radeon drivers too. first i tried installing specific drivers for the radeonHD7790 card i have, but that made things worse. i installed the generic catalyst package they have next, and everything works great
[16:49] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895 : Now I'd like to use the card settings to adjust the size of the display to fit within my monitor
[16:49] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I installed fbi but when I load w3m and go to facebook I can't see any images why
[16:50] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: go into Settings>Displays, and change the resolution
[16:50] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: did you add the software source as given in the top lines of that page you linked from jenkins site?
[16:50] <k610> is : "service --status-all" really showing all runing services ?
[16:50] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: changing the resolution may or may not work, depending on the TV settings
[16:50] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: I think so, but I don't know how to check that it worked
[16:50] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: I ran all the shell code on the site
[16:51] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: w3m has limited javascript support (unfortunately is the case for all terminal browsers). the fb images are displayed with js
[16:51] <Gallomimia> really the only way is to view the file called /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jenkins.list and also make sure aptget is looking at that source
[16:51] <Pici> Patero-ng: keep in mind that framebuffer images will only display if you are working locally on the server, it will not work over SSH.
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: an alternative browser you could try is links2
[16:52] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: That file does have the jenkins-ci.org line. How can I check/make it that apt-get is looking at that source?
[16:52] <Ubnoobtu> yyyaaaaaaay
[16:52] <Ubnoobtu> Saiarcot985, You did it man
[16:52] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I'll try another website
[16:53] <Gallomimia> Patero-ng: if you really want a gui on a ubuntu-server i suggest you run an xwindow server. you can view it on a remote machine, and you can use gui web browsers and all that
[16:53] <gordonjcp> Patero-ng: GUI on a server?  Why?
[16:53] <gordonjcp> Patero-ng: terrible idea
[16:53] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: this i don't know. i think i'm only slightly ahead of you in understanding apt-get and sources. i've never personally seen the sources split into multiple files within a .d folder like that
[16:54] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: but, maybe if you try apt-get update it will list out all the sources it just checked, and you'll find a jenkins-ci.org url at the bottom
[16:54] <esing> Gallomimia, The radeon driver which comes with ubuntu and I have the ati hd 7750
[16:54] <esing> Gallomimia, I got adviced to enable v-sync, since it seems to be vertical tearing
[16:54] <Gallomimia> esing: very very similar to mine. i had to install a driver from amd.com
[16:55] <Gallomimia> oh. mine's tearing a lot too, but at least there's gpu acceleration where there was none before
[16:55] <Gallomimia> esing: at first it was like... "why is this game running at 2.5fps and taking 400% cpu!?"
[16:56] <esing> Gallomimia, Hm, I thought I can install the proprietary driver also with the package fglrx
[16:56] <esing> And you still got tearing?
[16:56] <Gallomimia> that's the one that didn't work
[16:56] <akShri> hi, can anyone help me install murrian theme engine, i m using ubuntu gnome 13.10 with gnome updated to 3.10
[16:56] <esing> (When watching videos?)
[16:56] <Gallomimia> in fact everything went slower after installing that
[16:56] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: apt-get update does look at jenkins-ci.org. It also complains (which I forgot to mention earlier) about a "duplicate sources.list entry"; pasted the error to https://dpaste.de/to4X
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> esing what is the output of cat /etc/issue
[16:56] <wilee-nilee> ! ppa | akShri
[16:56] <esing> hitsujiTMO, Ubuntu 13.10
[16:58] <hays> i have the kernel update blues
[16:58] <fahadash> What kind of stuff ppa can do ?
[16:58] <Patero-ng> ok I am using nano and I want to copy a line of text I tried control 6 and I can mark the text but I can't copy it on memory and and I know paste is shift insert but I'm not sure help
[16:58] <hitsujiTMO> esing: which drivers are you using exactly?
[16:58] <fahadash> Or what regular softwares can do that ppas cant ?
[16:58] <hays> is there a way to update to raring while keeping my nice comfy old 12.04 LTS kernel
[16:58] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages
[16:58] <Gallomimia> nano does not use a clipboard sharable with other softare
[16:58] <ihre> when a make command gets interrupted by ctrl+c, should make clean/distclean be run?
[16:59] <Gallomimia> uh.... probably make can recover from that
[16:59] <hays> ihre: probably not needed
[16:59] <esing> hitsujiTMO, xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[16:59] <saiarcot895> leo-the-manic: you have some entries that get packages from hardy, when you are running precise. You need to open Software Sources and correct that (and the duplicate entries)
[16:59] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: PPAs have access to all resources of the system that a Software would have ?
[17:00] <ihre> hays: how can I check wheter I should run make clean or not ?
[17:00] <hays> its not something you really check for
[17:01] <jhutchins> ihre: It really depends on the package, but it's probably best to start over.
[17:01] <Gallomimia> easing: this is the driver I used. I installed it right over top of the HD7790 driver which failed for me. Things basically "work" in that department so i moved on till I can get some time to really fiddle with it
[17:01] <hitsujiTMO> esing: 7000 series graphics only have had support to them in the radeon driver. i would report the issue as a bug on launchpad. in the mean time, it might be an idea to switch to the proprietary drivers
[17:01] <hays> bah just run make again
[17:01] <saiarcot895> fahadash: If you add the PPA to your system and install packages from it, yes
[17:01] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: what version of this software SHOULD it be installing?
[17:01] <naxil> ciao ragazzi
[17:01] <ihre> jhutchins: what do you mean by start over? just run make again, or from scratch?
[17:01] <jhutchins> ihre: use make clean.  You shouldn't need to run .configure.
[17:02] <esing> hitsujiTMO, Good to know thanks. Already reported the bug to launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1243415
[17:02] <ihre> so thats 50/50
[17:02] <hays> or just run make again
[17:02] <Azer> Hello, raid 1 of the OS on desktop possible?
[17:02] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, i'm returning it tommorow, hope they will take it back and give me my money
[17:02] <Gallomimia> esing hitsujiTMO i got confused while working on this myself. is there not a huge difference between radeon 7000 series and radeon HD 7000 series?
[17:03] <hays> is there a way to update to raring while keeping my nice comfy old 12.04 LTS kernel?
[17:03] <hays> I ask because the new kernels apparently hose up my wifi driver
[17:03] <Wiz_KeeD> Do you have any suggestions as to how to pick a notebook in general that will work with ubuntu and without general problems?
[17:03] <Gallomimia> Azer: possible. you need proper hardware. raid controllers + boot volumes = headaches
[17:03] <Wiz_KeeD> A few rules of thumb so to speak
[17:03] <Azer> Gallomimia, i should have stated software raid..
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: sorry meant hd 7000. 7000 series are so old that they may not even exist anymore
[17:04] <Azer> Gallomimia, during a fresh install
[17:04] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: my advice-- not really possible. exception is to buy a laptop with linux preloaded and never upgrade
[17:04] <DYnamo_> Hello, Im having a hard time installing my Wireless USB stick (Linksys WUSB54G ver 3) i read so many threads and man pages but still not good, any idea guys?
[17:04] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: i'd go straight ahead and find a notebook that comes with ubuntu pre-installed. they exist
[17:04] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah they do Gallomimia but that does not neccesairly mean they have good driver support
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> hays, never upgrade? that's silly
[17:05] <hitsujiTMO> !hcl | Wiz_KeeD
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> It's just some guy like me and you that installed it there
[17:05] <Gallomimia> hitsujiTMO: ah okay. haven't been well versed in the video boards labeling schema for the last 10 years, till i got on the shopping bug
[17:05] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: well, if you don't want to deal with any problems, that's what you do
[17:05] <DYnamo_> Im getting this:
[17:05] <jhutchins> Wiz_KeeD: You can also look through the mailing lists and hardware sites and see what works well for peple.  I've had Toshibas, Dells, Acers, and Thinkpads and they all worked pretty well.
[17:05] <DYnamo_> [ 1012.855243] usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb
[17:05] <DYnamo_> [ 1014.072703] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: link is not ready
[17:05] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: 1.5
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> DYnamo_, there are many that plug and work, buy one.
[17:05] <jhutchins> Wiz_KeeD: Try to go for something that's been out for a while instead of the latest and greatest.
[17:06] <Wiz_KeeD> I have DELL and still have problems with wireless network and i'm shipping back an ACER now because of the graphics card and optimus shizzle
[17:06] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: I have a fully supported Asus linux laptop and the update to 13.x killed my wifi. doesn't work any more despite being a supported card in the kernel
[17:06] <Wiz_KeeD> ouch
[17:06] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: i seem to have forgotten the command that lets you list versions available and installed and the source for a given package. but it should start with dpkg. read man pages, lookup on google, or hopefully someone else here can give you more info
[17:06] <hays> so... if you don't want to be rooting out BS problems like that...  i think you have to stick with whatever is "supported'
[17:06] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: also there's http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> Dell has the most support I see...
[17:07] <hitsujiTMO> hays: you may need to blacklist a conflicting kernel module
[17:09] <Wiz_KeeD> this is a REALLy good link hitsujiTMO
[17:09] <Wiz_KeeD> When I like a laptop I just check if it's here
[17:10] <Gallomimia> holy wow. Wiz_KeeD yeah it's awesome. i'm going to look up all my NAS drives and other devices
[17:11] <Wiz_KeeD> :D
[17:11] <mehdi> anybody knows how can i setup kerio connection ?
[17:12] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: Ah I found the apt-cache madison command which shows that 1.5 is available. Although apt-cache show still shows 1.4; if I do "apt-get install jenkins=1.5" will it not auto-update? My head hurts
[17:12] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: you've now passed me in knowledge of the subject. i'll learn from you at this point
[17:13] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: Haha well thank you for your help to here, it's much appreciated
 ok solved it lol
[17:14] <DYnamo_> wilee-nilee: im so goofy i spent all day yesterday reading so many things and man pages and it turned out that i just had to set the essid and trigger it with ifconfig
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Dude what is with this integrated graphics proccesor?
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Optimus and all that crap?
[17:15] <Gallomimia> :/
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> If you have a 2gb 4gb video card, what 's the point?
[17:15] <Gallomimia> secondary or backup?
[17:16] <Wiz_KeeD> but whyyy? :)))
[17:17] <Xtreme> Hey guys
[17:17] <Gallomimia> plug your dual 40" 1ms gaming displays into your radeon and use the 15" display on the integrated for a terminal running top, volume control\ and some risque backgrounds cycling?
[17:17] <Xtreme> Using XFCE here. Its still remembering previous session even when i have unmarked it
[17:17] <Gallomimia> Hi Xtreme
[17:17] <Xtreme> what can i do
[17:18] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I tried links2 and tried to load a jpg image but it only showed gargabe instead is there an fbi for links2? btw the same link for w3m only showed an empty black screen and I had fbi for it
[17:19] <cariveri> hi. normal booting results in black screen, recovery mode boot + "resume" = everything works. what can I do?
[17:21] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, install a desktop to view images on your server, w3m has its limitations
[17:21] <leo-the-manic> Is anyone good at 'pinning'? How can I pin when the package is provided by a source line that looks like this? "deb http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian binary/"
[17:22] <fishsystem> hai what's the shortcut for mininiininimiminizing windows? ctrl+super+down only restores a window, not minimizes it
[17:22] <genii> !nomodeset | cariveri ..might want to try this
[17:22] <Patero-ng> OerHeks: I just want to see image files I am not looking for javascript support I use to watch images on a dos 5.0 palmtop that was like 20mhz
[17:22] <Patero-ng> don't tell me it can't be done
[17:22] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: alt-tab or alt ~ might get you where you want to go
[17:23] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, good luck with it.
[17:23] <fishsystem> Gallomimia: I want to hide my pr0n window but keep everything else up
[17:23] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: That's just the repo, not a packge name. You can prevent updates for a package by using the following command (IF that's what you want, I'm not certain it is): echo "package_name_here hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[17:24] <Gallomimia> oh i got it backwards i thought you wanted it to popup on demand ;)
[17:24] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: I don't want to prevent updates, I want to grab a newer version from this source in prefrence to an older version from the official Ubuntu source
[17:24] <Gallomimia> which... now that i think about it, i should have probably recommended a pill instead
[17:24] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: The package name is jenkins btw
[17:24] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Uh. APT will always install the latest version.
[17:24] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: No matter what the source.
[17:25] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: ctrl+alt+numzero
[17:25] <GeekDude> I'm trying to get internet over bluetooth to work with my ubuntu desktop & BT adapter sharing it's ethernet over bluetooth to a Windows XP tablet with built in BT. I got it to connect, but pages don't load in chrome
[17:25] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: try: links2 -g     i'm not familiar with links2 tbh .... have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1225697 for more ideas
[17:25] <Xtreme> anyone?
[17:25] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: Oh. Huh. Well I dunno if I changed something but yeah it seems to be working the way I want now. Before it kept installing an older version
[17:25] <fishsystem> Gallomimia: ah, thank you very much
[17:25] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: Thank you for that lol
[17:25] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: found in system settings > keyboard > shortcuts > window > minimize window. you can change it
[17:26] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Maybe you forgot to run an apt-get update
[17:26] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Happens.
[17:26] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: i suggest you add another modifier and use a button close to them to promote one handed presses of that combo.........
[17:27] <GeekDude> Does anyone here have experience doing this?
[17:27] <cconstantine> Hey guys, I tried to install skype and it's failed with a "skype:i386 : Depends: libqt4-webkit:i386 (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed".  I don't particularly care about skype, but it's preventing me from doing any other apt action.  How do I tell apt to forget about skype?
[17:27] <FxMr> http://www.nelsonpires.com/software/dimmer/ Is there a similar program for linux?
[17:28] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: have you used ping to discover how far you are allowed to go on the "internet" ping the other device, ping its router, ping <IP_ADDRESS> and similar known public machines. then do a dig and host on some domains
[17:28] <theadmin> FxMr: See http://justgetflux.com
[17:29] <hitsujiTMO> cconstantine: sudo dpkg -r skype:i386 && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:29] <thnee> When running an alternative desktop (awesome), magnet links don't open in deluge. gconf-editor says it should, and gnome-settings-daemon is running. What else might be needed?
[17:29] <cconstantine> hitsujiTMO, thank you :)
[17:30] <FxMr> theadmin: thx
[17:30] <cconstantine> hitsujiTMO, that was a very hard thing to google for
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> fxfm: you can also do it at the command line with xrandr
[17:30] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: pinging localhost works, pinging <IP_ADDRESS> (the router) does not work, and neither google nor google's dns work.
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> cconstantine: surprising considering how many people it catches
[17:30] <theadmin> FxMr: Err, never mind. I misunderstood the description of dimmer.
[17:30] <theadmin> FxMr: Flux is not what you are looking for.
[17:31] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: type ifconfig and see if you like the results
[17:31] <Gallomimia> also ping not localhost but the non-localhost ip of the local system.
[17:31] <Gallomimia> whatever that might be <IP_ADDRESS> sounds like a good candidate
[17:31] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm troubleshooting the XP end; IPConfig gives <IP_ADDRESS> as teh autoconfiguration IP address, and <IP_ADDRESS> for the subnet mask. all the other values are blank.
[17:32] <z2s8> Is it safe to replace unity with GNOME, or should do a reinstall w/ Ubuntu gnome?
[17:32] <theadmin> z2s8: Sure is safe, no problems would arise
[17:32] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: so your ubuntu system doesn't have a network configuration for the bluetooth adapter?
[17:32] <z2s8> I'm scared of dependency errors ;)
[17:32] <Gallomimia> set that up and you'll make progress. manual set up in system settings > network
[17:33] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, unity is a plugin in compiz running on gnome 3, what gnome are you referring to, the gnome shell, fallback gnome 2?
[17:33] <z2s8> Gnome 3.8, the interface
[17:33] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm confused, do I need to set something up I didn't? I just apt-get installed blueman, and enabled NAP in the "Local services" menu
[17:33] <Wiz_KeeD> I cannot seem to find a dual-bay hdd laptop on 15 inch
[17:33] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, the gnome shell, don't exspect support if you use a ppa.
[17:34] <z2s8> Willee-nilee I suppose its gnome shell
[17:34] <z2s8> Yep all good then
[17:34] <Gallomimia> you need to assign that adaptor an ip address, tell it what its router and subnet mask are, and provide a server to use for dns queries
[17:34] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, I use the shell myself
[17:34] <z2s8> I'll give it a shot, thx guys!
[17:34] <Gallomimia> either your XP machine will provide your ubuntu system all that with a dhcp server, or you'll do it by hand
[17:34] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: So basically, I have to manually point it at all the relevant addresses?
[17:34] <Gallomimia> yeah
[17:35] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: use at your own risk: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/9-5mm-SATA-to-SATA-2nd-HDD-Hard-Drive-Universal-Caddy-CD-ROM-Pro-Optical-bay-/320987078390?pt=UK_Collectables_HardDriveEnclosures_RL&hash=item4abc521ef6
[17:35] <Gallomimia> router is what you gave me. pick an ip you like on the same subnet, put subnet mask to <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Where do I find a menu to do this?
[17:35] <Gallomimia> system settings > network
[17:35] <Wiz_KeeD> hitsujiTMO, to replace the standard dvd-rom /
[17:35] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[17:35] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: yes
[17:36] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I have two options, "Wired" and "Network proxy"
[17:36] <Wiz_KeeD> wouldn't that be at much lower speeds hitsujiTMO ?
[17:36] <Gallomimia> click the + button at the bottom of that list
[17:36] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: not necessarily. most likely sata1 speed ... depends on what interface the mobo is using
[17:37] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: It gives me the option to create a VPN, is that what I'm looking for?
[17:37] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: maybe the wired one is your bluetooth adapter?
[17:37] <Gallomimia> no, vpn is not what you want
[17:37] <Gallomimia> do you have a wired connection on this device?
[17:38] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Ethernet wired connection on the desktop
[17:38] <GeekDude> (The one that is running ubuntu)
[17:38] <Gallomimia> but.... not how you're trying to connect?
[17:38] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm trying to connect to wifi over bluetooth from XP to Ubuntu
[17:38] <Gallomimia> k.... your networking system doesn't know about your bluetooth yet
[17:38] <caadubuntu> ok
[17:38] <Gallomimia> you're trying to establish a bluetooth network from ubuntu desktop to xp... laptop?
[17:39] <caadubuntu> no
[17:39] <GeekDude> XP "laptop", it's an x86 fujistu tablet
[17:39] <caadubuntu> yes
[17:39] <Gallomimia> ah that's the issue. it has no ethernet :) limited options man... pretty ballsy to attempt this at all
[17:40] <GeekDude> I'm trying to get the laptop to use internet over bluetooth, and the desktop to use internet over ethernet, while sharing with the tablet.
[17:40] <GeekDude> tablet/laptop
[17:40] <GeekDude> the tablet runs XP, the desktop, ubuntu 12.04
[17:41] <Gallomimia> k, so the desktop has internet thru it's wired connection?
[17:41] <GeekDude> yes
[17:42] <Gallomimia> ah. same problem, different direction. later in this process you'll want some kind of natd to run in your system. i think that's built in isn't it?
[17:42] <hid> hi is there a way to type non-breaking spaces in numbers?
[17:42] <Gallomimia> anyway, the problem i see now is getting your bluetooth device to be recognized as a network interface
[17:42] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I wouldn't know. I'm not sure what a natd *is*. I'm not much for networking
[17:43] <hid> I'd like to follow the systeme international of units
[17:43] <Gallomimia> hid i would suggest you change the formatting and make the entire cell not wrap. i don't know if there's an actual nbsp
[17:43] <wagonboi> How would I check if my NIC has a correctly installed driver?
[17:43] <hid> i mean, automatically by typing the spacebar in numbers*
[17:44] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: natd stands for network address translation, and it's what home-based routers do to share internet like this. you need a program on your desktop to work with it
[17:44] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Should I go with blueztools and try to set things up with the command line instead of with blueman
[17:44] <uvala> test
[17:45] <Gallomimia> bluetooth on ubuntu is a bit beyond my knowledge
[17:45] <sarah33> hi everyone, I have a little problem, my brother has installed ubuntu on my laptop, and the fglrx didn't work, so he has explained to me that he had downloaded them from ati website and installed it. With the fglrx ubuntu version, the laptop cannot start, startup is blocked on purple screen. so the last time, ha has use grub recovery mode en use something like "check for damaged packages" to enable read/write on the disk and then go
[17:45] <sarah33>  to root shell and remove all fglrx packets. My problem is: I have updated ubuntu to 13.10 and I think fglrx is now ubuntu one because the laptop freeze on startup at purple screen, but grub recovery mode doesn't work, check for damaged packages works infinitely as graphical safe boot. So now I'm on the live cd and I want to chroot my system and remove fglrx, could someone help me to do that?
[17:46] <uvala> test
[17:46] <wagonboi> uvala, A+
[17:47] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: what I want to do now is configure your network adaptor and the network between the tablet and the desktop. but somewhere in the plugging in a device, populating it to /dev, using its driver, and recognizing it as a network adaptor, something's not complete, and i am lost
[17:48] <uvala> hello everyone, I have  problem getting sound in audacity, can anyone maybe help?
[17:48] <uvala> wagonboi, I couldnt understand your reply
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> sarah33: try booting with the kernel option nomodeset
[17:49] <esing> I want to install the proprietary drivers for my ati graphic card. Do I just install the package fglrx or do I also have to tell ubuntu to stop using radeon?
[17:49] <sarah33> hitsujiTMO, ok I have see that on internet, so at the boot, I'm pressing 'e' and change the concerned line but right after that I don't know what to do, how to save this modification and boot, if I press F10, the system start but freeze too
[17:50] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Do you think doing something like this would work? http://www.jasonernst.com/2011/11/29/creating-a-bluetooth-access-point-nap-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[17:50] <uvala> hello everyone, I have  problem getting sound in audacity, can anyone maybe help?
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | sarah33 have a look at the tutorials here
[17:50] <oi> I need a help with ubuntu server perfomace
[17:50] <rostam> Hi is there a link for how ubuntu rc script framework? thx
[17:50] <theadmin> !rootirc | sarah33
[17:50] <oi> the system is very slow
[17:50] <oi> but there is no botleneck
[17:50] <oi> IO is fine
[17:50] <oi> disk space is fine
[17:50] <oi> memory fine
[17:50] <cariveri> thanks genii . I will try nomodset.
[17:50] <oi> cpu 99 idle
[17:51] <^Phantom^> does xubuntu have full wine support?
[17:51] <oi> any ideas?
[17:52] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: What? That question doesn't even make sense. WINE is present in all the official Ubuntu derivatives' repositories, yes.
[17:52] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: But WINE isn't a supported piece of software per se, you'd need to go to #winehq for WINE support.
[17:54] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: im reading, but its looking promising
[17:54] <^Phantom^> theadmin, let me refine this question then, does xubuntu get access to the full wine environment?
[17:54] <^Phantom^> Seeing as it's a lighter 'buntu, and all
[17:54] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: bridge is better than natd
[17:55] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: So, this is what I should be doing/looking for?
[17:55] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: Basically... All the official Ubuntu versions (Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Lubuntu) have full access to all sotware present in the Ubuntu Repositories (or the Ubuntu Software Centre), so as long as the machine has internet connection, yes, you can install WINE in full.
[17:55] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: also, this guide is for 2 ubuntu computers. you'll need to adapt the instructions for the xp side of the link
[17:55] <^Phantom^> That's what i was interested in.  Thankies.
[17:55] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I think the only difference is I don't need to bother with configuring the XP side
[17:55] <GeekDude> I'm not positive, though. Can't hurt to try
[17:56] <Gallomimia> yeah it should be ready. just wait for the bluetooth handshake
[17:56] <^Phantom^> I need to set my mom's xubuntu pc up to run wine
[17:56] <Gallomimia> k, so first add the bridge connection to /etc/network/interfaces like it says
[17:56] <Gallomimia> oh.
[17:56] <Gallomimia> it says get pairing done before anything else
[17:56] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: If the target machine is NOT going to have internet connection, but you have an existing machine running Ubuntu, you can easily build a custom ISO for that machine using the Ubuntu Customization Kit.
[17:56] <Gallomimia> and to use blueman from the repos
[17:57] <^Phantom^> Oh that is neat.
[17:57] <^Phantom^> It's already set up, though
[17:57] <^Phantom^> But that is neat.
[17:58] <basichash> On vim I keep getting "E325: ATTENTION - Found a swap file by the name xxx.y" every time I open a file. How can I stop this from happening?
[17:58] <b22> poivy on ubunut 12.04
[17:58] <b22> any help or application?
[17:59] <uvala> how can I install avconv?
[17:59] <GeekDude> basichash: I think by deleting the swap file. Don't quote me on that.
[18:00] <hays> hitsujiTMO: yeah i tried all that
[18:00] <Gallomimia> i was gonna say that too. but i recommend moving it, or finding out whats in it first
[18:00] <hays> hitsujiTMO: with the blacklisting.. I tried the proprietary broadcom drivers and the open source driver
[18:00] <OerHeks> b22, no, there is no linux client > http://www.poivy.com/download
[18:01] <hays> hitsujiTMO: the odd thing is that the 12.04 LTS configuration uses the open source kernel driver with no proprietary code
[18:01] <theadmin> basichash: In your ~/.vimrc, set directory=''
[18:01] <hays> hitsujiTMO: yet the kernel update breaks it for some reason
[18:01] <theadmin> basichash: Also, vim rocks :)
[18:01] <basichash> theadmin: haha indeed it does, thanks
[18:03] <theadmin> basichash: Also, if those files appear, they're basically temporary files, and they should disappear whenever you close (:q) vi/vim/ex.
[18:05] <basichash> theadmin: oh right. is there anyway to remove the "unable to open file.swap, press ENTER to continue" when I open a file?
[18:05] <hays> hitsujiTMO: the driver in 12.04 LTS that it shipped with is brcmsmac, which I think is in the kernel sources
[18:05] <theadmin> basichash: Uh, remove file.swap itself :D
[18:05] <gordonjcp> basichash: make sure you're not editing it somewhere else first
[18:05] <Patero-ng> hola
[18:05] <gordonjcp> basichash: then delete the file
[18:06] <hays> but moving to 3.8 kernel this doesn't work anymore... and the "sta" driver also doesn't work, although has different indications of not working (heh)
[18:06] <basichash> thanks
[18:07] <Ubnoobtu> How do I get audio driver info?
[18:07] <Gallomimia> pacmd list-cards should give you something
[18:08] <fishsystem> Patero-ng: I have no idea who you are and I know you can't speak english. But I want to spend the next 3 month with you at a motel room.
[18:08] <DJones> fishsystem: Please remember this is a support channel
[18:09] <Gallomimia> sounds like he's getting some support for a real serious problem :/
[18:13] <Ubnoobtu> saiar985: You wouldn't happen to know how to I can get audio output? It's not listed, but it looks to be 5.1 audio and I'd like to test those next.
[18:14] <Kiwi_> help
[18:14] <Kiwi_> lol
[18:15] <saml> hello
[18:15] <saml> i upgraded to 13.10  and gnome keyring stuff doesn't work
[18:15] <saml> /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[18:15] <saml> Cannot register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
[18:18] <sarah33> I'm back, I have tried the nomodeset for grub and that not work
[18:19] <moaz_1991> I upgraded to 13.10 last night; Nautilus crashes if I click on any file!?
[18:20] <sarah33> hitsujiTMO, I have tried your solution but the startup still freeze
[18:20] <moaz_1991> I can not access to files via nautilus (As a temporary solution, I've installed Thunar, but it's not on my desire!)
[18:21] <esing> Gallomimia, With the proprietary ati drivers I don't see any tearing yet
[18:21] <esing> Gallomimia, Also I have the impression that the overall desktop graphic is better than before
[18:22] <moaz_1991> esing: proprietary ati drivers are available for 4xxx radeon series?
[18:23] <moaz_1991> This is my video card:
[18:23] <moaz_1991> product: RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550]
[18:23] <esing> moaz_1991, I think yes, officially 4xxx is supported on 12.04 http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/fglrx
[18:23] <esing> +it
[18:24] <moaz_1991> yeah, On 12.04, they support xorg, but I had problems with it on 12.10 and 13.04;
[18:24] <esing> Did you try fglrx on 13.10 yet?
[18:25] <Kiwi_> I cannot extend my partition that ubuntu used to be installed on
[18:25] <moaz_1991> I afraid! -> on 13.04 it ruined my system -> I reinstalled it!!!
[18:25] <moaz_1991> esing: ^
[18:25] <esing> You can always uninstall it
[18:26] <binyod> I've been asking yesterday about a conversion tool for video to audio, I found WinFF, a great one: http://is.gd/QaLQFe
[18:26] <esing> moaz_1991, Worst case you boot from a live cd and chroot into your system and the uninstall
[18:26] <belkinsa> What is the channel name for Ubuntu Touch support?
[18:27] <fishsystem> well, this is the place. May I take your order please.
[18:27] <bazhang> #ubuntu-touch belkinsa
[18:27] <belkinsa> Thank you, bazhang.
[18:27] <c|oneman> I have to type uppercase "Y" to accept packages now?
[18:27] <esing> Kiwi_, Do you mean resize the partition?
[18:27] <moaz_1991> esing: yes, I've just learnt chroot yesterday when I had a problem during upgrading to 13.10; However, I'll try that driver soon.
[18:28] <ses1984> i was wondering if anyone knew more information about this issue, regarding copying to an NFS share, the copy operation will freeze, sometimes lock up the whole desktop
[18:28] <ses1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478413
[18:28] <ses1984> this is marked solved, but people are continuing to have this problem, with a wide range of hardware and kernel versions
[18:28] <moaz_1991> kiwi: what do you mean? more details, please!
[18:29] <moaz_1991> NO idea for "nautilus crashing"?!
[18:30] <moaz_1991> I upgraded to 13.10 last night- ->  Nautilus crashes if I click on any file!?
[18:30] <moaz_1991> ses1984: try via command line
[18:31] <ses1984> moaz_1991: actually, i have copied via command line, using cp, rsync and scp
[18:31] <ses1984> it copies up to a couple hundred megabytes, then stops
[18:32] <moaz_1991> ses1984: If I where you (as a temporary solution), I zipped it and then try again!
[18:33] <ses1984> moaz_1991: i'm supposed to zip 900GB of hd video?
[18:33] <ses1984> its already compressed anyway
[18:33] <krabador> i must deactivate journaling from / partition on ssd, on 13.10
[18:33] <krabador> how can i do?
[18:34] <hitsujiTMO> sarah33: at this point i can only suggest backing up and data and doing a reinstall
[18:34] <wjtaylor_> what package keeps ubuntu server in line with a time server?
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> wjtaylor_: you dont need to install a package, use ntpdate to sync, add it to a daily cron to keep it synced
[18:36] <SeuL> re
[18:36] <wjtaylor_> hitsujiTM0: thanks
[18:37] <SeuL> help
[18:38] <moaz_1991> ses1984: I dunno a real solution, but you may want to split it into smaller pieces (if it's currently zipped) and share it at this step; next you can solve it permanently.
[18:38] <SeuL> help me
[18:38] <ses1984> moaz_1991: i don't need a work around involving nfs, because i have already copied all the data i need just by sharing the same volume with cifs instead of nfs
[18:38] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | Seul
[18:38] <cariveri> apt-cache search bash
[18:39]  * hid se marre
[18:39] <ses1984> but cifs is ugly and why would i use it in a linux only environment when nfs is made for linux
[18:39] <SeuL> i have ubuntu
[18:39] <ses1984> nfs should work. it's not. apparently that's a big problem with a lot of people using ubuntu
[18:39] <SeuL> 13.10
[18:39] <SeuL> i don't find my patrition in ORDINATEUR
[18:39] <hitsujiTMO> ses1984: cifs has a handful of utilities that nfs does not have
[18:39] <krabador> i must deactivate journaling from / partition on ssd, on 13.10
[18:39] <krabador> how can i do?
[18:40] <ses1984> well, all things being equal, cifs and nfs should have similar performance. i'm getting decent performance with cifs, and i'm getting zero performance with nfs, because it simply doesn't work
[18:40] <hid> SeuL: what does ORDI contain?
[18:40] <moaz_1991> N a u t i l u s crashes! why does it crash while it is a fresh upgraded 13.10?! damn upgrading:-!
[18:40] <SeuL> meaninig ?
[18:41] <hitsujiTMO> moaz_1991: is nautilus crasing for specific directories?
[18:41] <zykotick9> moaz_1991: "fresh upgraded", if only that was possible ;)
[18:41] <SeuL> hid !
[18:42] <moaz_1991> hitsujiTMO: for all, for anything -> I also lose desktop when it crashes
[18:42] <SeuL> help me !
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> krabador, You can use trim, modern ssd's last as long as mechanical HD's.
[18:43] <hitsujiTMO> !fr | Seul
[18:43] <krabador> wilee-nilee, trim?
[18:43] <Xuorx> hello all,
[18:43] <moaz_1991> SeuL: Your question is not obvious!
[18:43] <Xuorx> i have got a problem
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> krabador, 100's, probably 1000's of web pages on setting up a ssd in linux
[18:44] <Bombo> hi
[18:44] <hid> He did not speak french...
[18:44] <Bombo> is it possible to install a 32bit version of gstreamer incl plugins into a 64bit ubuntu?
[18:44] <zexcriz> what is LTSP used for ?
[18:45] <wilee-nilee> krabador, here is one I use. https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd Do your research
[18:45] <DuncanNZ> Bombo: sudo dpkg --list-architectures | pastebinit
[18:45] <hitsujiTMO> hid ordinateur is french for computer ... he's saying he cant find his partition in his computer ...
[18:46] <DuncanNZ> Bombo: sorry, that's  sudo dpkg --print-foreign-architectures | pastebinit
[18:46] <hid> hitsujiTMO: It is the name of the partition... you can call it whatever you want...
[18:47] <moaz_1991> hitsujiTMO: a new day, a new word: ordinateur (fr) = computer (en)
[18:48] <moaz_1991> @SeuL can solve this "misunderstanding"!!!
[18:51] <OerHeks> !ltsp
[18:51] <moaz_1991> which file-managers are more customizable than Thunar (a non qt-based one, please)! Thunar = ugh! (I'm forced to use thunar instead of Nautilus for a day!)
[18:51] <zexcriz> OerHeks, thank you :)
[18:53] <zorael> Does anyone know of a program that visualizes an electrical circuit schematic, like the java applet at http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-resistors.html ? Preferably in the repos, naturally
[18:54] <tmmunq> electric?
[18:55] <whitenoise> hey guys, for dpkg --get-selections, is there a way of only printing out the packages that have been apt-get installed, instead of getting every package on the system, most of which came with it?
[18:56] <zorael> tmmunq: Well, yes
[18:56] <hitsujiTMO> WhiteDawn: dpkg --get-seleections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> WhiteDawn: sorry: dpkg --get-selections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> Whitenoise: again sorry: dpkg --get-selections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <whitenoise> haha
[18:57] <whitenoise> hitsujiTMO: thanks :)
[18:58] <nexusjay> Hi everyone! Been digging around and wanted to confirm that there is no Canonical Support for the Nexus 7 (2nd Gen) device.
[18:58] <IdleOne> nexusjay: #ubuntu-touch
[18:58] <hitsujiTMO> nexusjay: #ubuntu-touch
[18:59] <nexusjay> ty
[19:00] <nickgaw> ok I just finished the ubuntu upgrade with do-release-upgrade -m desktop and again I am able to login but as before orca did not start after I entered in my password but it was on when I was at the login screen if I was using gnome classic before the upgrade will I still be on gnome classic after the upgrade?
[19:00] <Bombo> is it possible to install a 32bit version of gstreamer incl plugins into a 64bit ubuntu? $ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures -> i386
[19:00] <vindav> hello, has anyone had trouble with the last update from Ubuntu on their 12.04 LTS distro ?
[19:01] <hitsujiTMO> bombo add :i386 to the end og the package name
[19:01] <ars23> hy, does anybody have an idea about an IDE for simulating verilog code?
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> vindav, any last update for anyone will be different depending on what's installed and when last updated, be specific, details...etc
[19:03] <Bombo> hitsujiTMO: hmmm i'll try
[19:06] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Thank you for your response.  Ok, we'll...a couple of days ago I had updates from the Canada server, and after re-starting, my background wallpaper changed, the vertical launcher with Unity blinks and flashes randomly all together, when dragging screenlets or windows, duplication of images exist and seem liek they are multiplied immensely.  When windows / application are closed, there are video images that seem like they are
[19:07] <theadmin> vindav: What is your GPU (graphics card)? If using proprietary drivers, stuff happens...
[19:07] <theadmin> vindav: I am running on nvidia with bumblebee though and things are fine
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> vindav, You might try a compiz reset, do you have a proprietary graphic driver installed per-chance?
[19:08] <vindav> theadmin:  my graphics card is a Nvidia - GeForce310, driver version:  304.88
[19:09] <theadmin> vindav: Hm ah, yeah, proprietary drivers may cause problems as I said, try deactivating them through System Settings -> Hardware Drivers
[19:09] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  I have a proprietary graphic driver installed:  Nvidia GeForce 310, driver version:  304.88
[19:09] <tejas> need help..I have a ubuntu server box with only samba setup for file sharing..i want to monitor it with "monit"...but it always says unable to conect at localhost:2812....Do i need to install Apache for this only...?
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> vindav, From nvidia or the repos?
[19:10] <theadmin> tejas: 2812 does not seem like any sort of HTTP port, unlikely that Apache will have to do anything with that.
[19:10] <vindav> theadmin:  so, if I deactivate them from System Settings->Hardware Drivers, would do I do next after that, reboot or what ?
[19:10] <theadmin> vindav: Yeah, reboot and see if this helps.
[19:10] <kriskropd> I have a core 2 duo with a 1min load average os 228.36 and is frozen - what do to find out what the bloody F*** is going on
[19:10] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  it is from Nvidia
[19:11] <tejas> theadmin what you suggest for this error..or i should go with webmin :-(
[19:11] <hitsujiTMO> tejas: did you change the monit config to allow access from ips other than localhost?
[19:11] <theadmin> tejas: Yeah no, Webmin is kinda broken with Ubuntu
[19:11] <tejas> it even not accessible from localhost
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> vindav, Ah, well I think you know what'sup from looking at your posts.
[19:12] <compdoc> tejas, if you use a browser to open monit, then yes, you likely need apache. Have you searched for any how tos?
[19:12] <vindav> theadmin:  ok, I'll try that out first and come back to this chat here to report.
[19:12] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Could you please clarify as I am need of some understanding of that ?
[19:13] <tejas> thanks copdoc..I was thinking this...I was trying to avoid installing apache..
[19:13] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  how do you do a Compiz reset ?
[19:14] <hitsujiTMO> tejas can you post your monit config?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> kriskropd, This is a worldwide channel including many cultural and ethnic groups, what makes you think swearing is an allowed reponse here.
[19:14] <kriskropd> wilee-nilee: my frustration
[19:14] <kriskropd> wilee-nilee: I'm not directing my anger at anyone here nor am i uncensored
[19:14] <tejas> yes..why not..I just changed only few options...wait sending pastebin link
[19:14] <tmmunq> zorael: http://www.staticfreesoft.com/productsFree.html
[19:15] <vindav> theadmin:  ok, am removing the driver.  I noticed that there are other Nvidia hardware drivers waiting to be activate, all seem like they are beta like.  Should I activate them after re-boot ?
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> vindav, this link might help it also addresses nvidia. http://askubuntu.com/questions/127782/ubuntu-12-04-compiz-failure-computer-has-nothing-to-use
[19:16] <theadmin> vindav: Eh, if the deactivation of the current driver helps just leave it as is
[19:17] <tejas> here is mine monit config file... http://pastebin.com/dRS3GSUK hitsujiTM0
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I will say though that theadmin is a better support here than myself.
[19:19] <theadmin> wilee-nilee: Don't be of saying that, you are into great help many times :)
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> theadmin, graphics I have no clue of is all. ;)
[19:20] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  why is that ?  I like your support too.  In fact am reading and implementing what you shared in regards to that link in resetting Unity and Compiz.
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> vindav, This area I know enough from seeing traffic on the channel, and I don't give advice that is not conclusive without mentioning that. I have all intel setups they work, so I have not had to mess with drivers is all.
[19:21] <hitsujiTMO> tejas: try removing the space before "set httpd"   also, try swapping localhost for ips
[19:22] <FabianS> Hey guys.
[19:22] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Unity is no longer present, and the terminal window is no longer accessible after I reset Compiz after entering the command:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1
[19:22] <FabianS> I can't get Ubuntu 13.10 to boot from a Thumdrive on a UEFI system.
[19:22] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  I too have a intel setup on my Ubuntu box.
[19:22] <tejas> ohk hitsuji..trying it
[19:23] <FabianS> GRUB does start and kernel&initramfs are loaded.
[19:23] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: disabled secure boot and fast boot?
[19:23] <FabianS> But it seems like the initramfs is unable to find the livesystem's squashfs.
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I would do a logout or reboot, compiz is a bit funky with changes at times.
[19:23] <FabianS> Any ideas?
[19:23] <kostkon> vindav, go into tty
[19:23] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: Obviously yes.
[19:23] <kostkon> vindav, give the command there
[19:23] <theadmin> FabianS: How did you create the LiveUSB?
[19:23] <FabianS> Else grub wouldn't boot.
[19:23] <vindav> kostkon:   What is tty ?
[19:23] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: sorry, didnt see the you got grub bit till after i hit enter :P
[19:24] <FabianS> theadmin: partitioned to ef00, formatted as vfat and copied the contents of the iso on the partition.
[19:24] <theadmin> FabianS: eeeeeh... way complicated. I am not qualified to tell if that would work :D
[19:24] <kostkon> vindav, press ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 and then ctrl+alt+f7 to come back
[19:24] <vindav> Before I reboot, I just want to make sure that everything that can be done will be done.
[19:24] <FabianS> theadmin: That's the default procedure for EFI install medium creation.
[19:24] <FabianS> Really simple.
[19:25] <kostkon> vindav, e.g. press ctrl+alt+f4.  reset compiz/unity then reload it with setsid unity   then ctrl+alt+f7
[19:25] <compdoc> its looking like ubuntu 13.10 server with a Mate desktop has solved my remote desktop issues
[19:25] <theadmin> FabianS: EFI itself is incredibly complicated rubbish, in my opinion
[19:25] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: at grub prompt, what is the output of: ls
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> vindav, try ctrl-alt-f1 login in then run sudo stop lightdm then sudo start lightdm
[19:25] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: GRUB does load the kernel and the initramfs.
[19:25] <FabianS> It's not a GRUB problem.
[19:26] <kostkon> vindav, if your x is dead do what wilee-nilee said
[19:26] <tejas> hitsujiTM0 ..it didnt worked...I tried on virtualbox too...now on physical system.....please suggest another for monitoring my samba except webmin
[19:26] <mikkie> hello folks
[19:26] <FabianS> theadmin: EFI would be simple if vendors didn't ignore the standard.
[19:26] <theadmin> FabianS: I do suppose that, yeah... :/
[19:26] <FabianS> theadmin: I have EFI dualboot running on two machines and it does work.
[19:26] <theadmin> FabianS: Well, sorry, I can't really help here
[19:27] <FabianS> But one machine likes to shuffle around the boot order and the other one likes deleting custom-built Linux kernels.
[19:27] <kmyst> how does one get the unity launcher to stop acting like a scrollbar? all of a sudden it's not longer snapping back to the top
[19:27] <vindav> Ok, we'll...my X is dead, the Nvidia hardware driver mentioned finally for me to reboot to re-activate itself.  I wish I could print out and / or e-mail this chat to myself for reference as no commands or menu-drops are available to select.
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> FabianS, The manufacturers have their own uefi codes, some use the bootrepair app to get things fixed, have you seen the thread by oldfred a mod at the UF on uefi installs?
[19:28] <mikkie> I have a big problem with my Screen-Configuration. -> I have two n210 (nvidia) cards in my pc and four screens but however I try (nvidia-settings or xorg.conf) I cant set them right to split screen all over them. please help
[19:28] <FabianS> wilee-nilee: No, I haven't. Link?
[19:28] <FabianS> I think the problem is that the Ubuntu initramfs fails to find the thumbdrive with casper.squashfs on it..
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> FabianS, hope this helps, you are not new at this it seems. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[19:29] <FabianS> But I don't know how it tries to locate the device.
[19:29] <FabianS> Arch uses the FAT disklabel.
[19:29] <Gallomimia> looking forward to installing ubuntu on the mac laptop i have....
[19:30] <Ojoloco> hi there guys, I have some troubles with a Makefile, where could I ask?
[19:30] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: have you looked for errors in dmesg
[19:30] <mikkie> anybody a idea for installing two graphiccards on ubuntu?
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> vindav, save this url. http://pastebin.com/4J3msBuH
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> its from when I signed on
[19:32] <theadmin> Ojoloco: I don't think Make has its' own channel, what's the problem?
[19:33] <Ojoloco> hi theadmin, I have this one, I don't know why line 43 is there:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296735
[19:33] <Ojoloco> sorry, not that one
[19:34] <theadmin> Ojoloco: Uh. That's not a Makefile. Looks like C code.
[19:34] <Ojoloco> sorry, sorry, this one:
[19:34] <Ojoloco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296796/
[19:34] <Ojoloco> nor that one too
[19:34] <Ojoloco> :\
[19:35] <Ojoloco> this is the right one, I swear it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296802/
[19:35] <tejas> will someone suggest web based monitoring tool for ubuntu server....ir i should use zentyal
[19:36] <theadmin> Ojoloco: Ah. "sinclude" with GNU Make is pretty much identical to "include" from what I know, maybe it's for compatibility with BSD Make or something.
[19:36] <Ojoloco> ah, cool, thanks theadmin!
[19:38] <Dougie187> For some reason my top panel (in unity) randomly freezes (doesn't refresh) and won't let me click it. this includes my clock, and all application related menus. This does not include the unity panel on the left, or the HUD. I haven't found any useful information in the logs in /var/log or in dmesg. Does anyone have any idea where I could look for a clue as to why this is happening?
[19:38] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: I'm not sure what dmesg does in the initramfs.
[19:39] <FabianS> But I'll try it.
[19:39] <bazhang> tejas, you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-server as well
[19:39] <bekks> tejas: nagios :)
[19:40] <hitsujiTMO> fabians: boot with debug kernel option and you should be able to mount the hdd and dump dmesg to whereever
[19:40] <tejas> thanks..guys.. for help..joined server channel love you :-)
[19:43] <s2013> my terminal window for some reason doesnt stay on top of other window when i click on it
[19:43] <mikkie> please help me out with that xserver stuff
[19:43] <s2013> its been happening past couple of hours
[19:43] <s2013> i basically see the wallpaper and hte terminal window
[19:44] <ampw> what does ' sudo netstat -natp ' show?
[19:44] <hitsujiTMO> s2013: can you link a printscreen of the exact problem
[19:46] <s2013> hitsujiTMO, http://imgur.com/rrm0yt4
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> ampw netstat --help will display the meanings of the 4 flags
[19:46] <Patero-ng> anyone here familiar with zgv? the image viewer for terminals? I can't display pics! I don't know if I have to restart pc tell me if I do
[19:47] <s2013> it doesnt also show up on alt tab
[19:47] <s2013> i think it might be on anothe rdesktop workspace o rsomething
[19:49] <s2013> k got it
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> s2013: wait, i'm not following the exact error ... is it forcing other apps to minimise?
[19:49] <s2013> it was a workspae issue
[19:49] <s2013> yeah
[19:49] <s2013> i guess i somehow dragged it to a diff workspace
[19:49] <s2013> its fine now. thanks
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> ahh yeah, the terminal was in another workspace
[19:49] <s2013> yeah didnt realize it. thanks
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> <- is quite happy with a single workspace :P
[19:50] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Doesn't work here either, try fbi instead.
[19:52] <Patero-ng> theadmin: are u on terminal
[19:53] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Yeah... It's a terminal viewer
[19:54] <theadmin> Patero-ng: You need to be in the "video" group for fbi to work. Maybe that's why zgv fails too?
[19:55] <ampw> how do iget peerguardian on ubuntu
[19:55] <Patero-ng> theadmin: it works! thanks for making my day
[19:56] <hitsujiTMO> ampw http://sourceforge.net/p/peerguardian/wiki/pgl-Install-DebianUbuntu/
[19:56] <Patero-ng> theadmin: I did sudo zgv and it didn't work either but it made fbi worked I think zgv is flawed
[19:57] <lna_r00t> hey
[19:58] <ampw> hitsujiTMO: thanks, ive added the ppa
[19:59] <rammm> should salary negotiates be done  1 on 1, with all of the CEOs on staff, or does it matter?
[19:59] <ampw> but its not in the soft center
[19:59] <ampw> i did update
[19:59] <jpds> !ot | rammm
[19:59] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Yeah, running as root may be a bad idea, simply add yourself to the video group
[19:59] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[20:00] <ampw> 12.04
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgld pglcmd pglgui
[20:02] <ampw> hitsujiTMO: thnaks a bunch
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: np
[20:05] <Dougie187> For some reason my top panel (in unity) randomly freezes (doesn't refresh) and won't let me click it. this includes my clock, and all application related menus. This does not include the unity panel on the left, or the HUD. I haven't found any useful information in the logs in /var/log or in dmesg. Does anyone have any idea where I could look for a clue as to why this is happening?
[20:06] <FabianS> Well, looks like the more implementation in the initramfs busybox is broken.
[20:06] <FabianS> So I can't read the dmesg.
[20:06] <FabianS> The error message is: (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[20:08] <FabianS> Sounds like a really stupid race condition :/
[20:08] <ChogyDan> Dougie187: if this happens pretty consistently, you could file a bug with ubuntu-bug unity, and people could help you look at the log files on launchpad
[20:08] <Dougie187> Ok
[20:08] <Dougie187> Thanks
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: your the second person i've seen with the same error on 13.10 installer
[20:09] <FabianS> I don't really know the Ubuntu boot process.
[20:09] <FabianS> Where does the initramfs look for casper.squashfs?
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: not sure, the live cd is sorted differently to an actual install
[20:10] <FabianS> Oh what the hell?
[20:11] <FabianS> Why would name folders on the first level of the iso with a . in the beginning.
[20:11] <ruth> Hi, guys,  we were asking about this yesterday but are still having troubles. We downloaded the game, Minecraft from Minecraft.net, and they had a download for different OS even Linux. We downloaded it, and it goes into the download on Ubuntu, but when we try to run it, it opens to a bunch of folders. What should we do?
[20:11] <FabianS> cp * doesn't match those. Wtf.
[20:13] <kostkon> ruth, you need to install java.
[20:14] <ruth> We're new with LInux, so what should we do after we install Java, and is it Java Iced Tea we install?
[20:14] <Patero-ng> theadmin: I tried using usermod -a -G video myusernamereal but checking it with id still doesn't show me in video group maybe video is not the right name? anybody here knows how to add myself to the video group
[20:14] <kostkon> ruth, open the software centre, search for java or openjdk, install the version 6 or 7 or both, then right click on the minecraft file and select open with openjdk 6 or 7
[20:15] <kostkon> ruth, or double click on it after installing openjdk
[20:16] <ruth> Great, we will try it. We'll get back to you if we have problems
[20:16] <kostkon> ruth, ok
[20:17] <ozbrk> guys I need  a suggestion I have Asus EEEr101 notebook. I had leaved windows 7 because of the performance issues and I'm here because I hadn't find a solution yet. I tried all of the variations of ubuntu but sometime the distrobution was too simple or too effective and heavy
[20:17] <ozbrk> are there anybody who can suggest me a distro
[20:17] <skande> ubuntu?
[20:17] <theadmin> Patero-ng: sudo adduser $USER video
[20:17] <bekks> ozbrk: No distro will change that low end hardware causing the performance issues.
[20:17] <theadmin> Patero-ng: But you'll need to log out and back in for this to have any real effect.
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> ozbrk, a lighter desktop might be worth a try xubuntu, or a more hands on lubuntu
[20:18] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: once you add yourself to a group, you must relog for it to take effect
[20:18] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: Solved it.
[20:19] <ozbrk> can I optimize unity 2d or gnome - sell according to bekks no distro can't change my situtation
[20:19] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: so the . files?
[20:19] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: My cp -r $ISODIR/* $THUMBDRIVE obviously didn't match the .disks-dir.
[20:19] <bekks> ozbrk: You can install 12.04 and dont use 3D, e.g.
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: cool, at least your in working order again
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> ozbrk, I would have the max ram allowed on that device.
[20:20] <ozbrk> bekks I tried that :S
[20:20] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: I don't actually use ubuntu.
[20:20] <ozbrk> wilee-nilee I have 2GB ram
[20:20] <FabianS> But I'm trying to get it on a friend's ultrabook.
[20:21] <bekks> ozbrk: Which CPU do you have, exactly?
[20:21] <Patero-ng> theadmin: that might add a new user! I just want to add my existing user to a group
[20:21] <kostkon> wilee-nilee, 2gb is fine
[20:21] <kostkon> oops
[20:21] <kostkon> ozbrk, 2gb is fine*
[20:21] <ozbrk> intel Atom dual core
[20:21] <ozbrk> let me check the model number
[20:22] <duxb> When I try to upgrade from my 13.04 to 13.10, using the software update tool, it stops working after "downloading tools 2/2", one more little box flashes, then exits, and then nothing happens, any ideas?
[20:22] <ozbrk> http://www.cnet.com/laptops/asus-eee-pc-r101/4505-3121_7-35278566.html here guys that's all you need that is my computer
[20:22] <theadmin> Patero-ng: No, "adduser USER GROUP" will add USER to GROUP. It will NOT add a new user if USER doesn't exist.
[20:22] <duxb> same thing happening on both my laptop and desktop
[20:22] <ozbrk> except the ram I upgraded it
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> duxb, what additional stuff is installed, such as desktops and pps'a?
[20:23] <kostkon> ozbrk, i have more or less the same hardware. runs ubuntu fine
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> ppa's*
[20:23] <kostkon> ozbrk, vanilla ubuntu with unity3d
[20:23] <Patero-ng> theadmin: ok I trust you
[20:23] <duxb> wilee: my laptop is a pretty standard install
[20:23] <ozbrk> vanillia ubuntu ?
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> duxb, no extras?
[20:24] <theadmin> Patero-ng: That's what the manual says anyway :D
[20:24] <Patero-ng> I have another question I installed program xboard and when I run xboard as user it says itcan't open display so I guess it needs sudo I sudo it but it says command not found? what is wrong here
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> duxb, Might just need another mirror
[20:24] <kostkon> ozbrk, i mean ubuntu (with unity) not xubuntu or some other flavour
[20:24] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  hi there, am back after about 4 or 5 re-boots, all files intact, but still have the same graphics problems as before when I came to the chat room.  I went to Hardware Drivers and it said that I was not authorized to activate the Nvidia driver 319.  Can you please help me ?
[20:24] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Uh, xboard needs a graphical interface
[20:24] <vindav> theadmin  hi there, am back after about 4 or 5 re-boots, all files intact, but still have the same graphics problems as before when I came to the chat room.  I went to Hardware Drivers and it said that I was not authorized to activate the Nvidia driver 319.  Can you please help me ?
[20:24] <theadmin> vindav: Eh, run "gksudo jockey-gtk" and then you can reinstall the driver.
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I would if I had the skills, nvidia I have never messed with.
[20:25] <ozbrk> kostkon which release do you prefer n that kind of hardware
[20:25] <duxb> I have ppa's for opera and wine, that's about it, I'll try playing with the repo server.
[20:25] <jhutchins> !nvidia
[20:25] <ozbrk> 13.10 had a lot of problem when I tried it
[20:25] <kostkon> ozbrk, any but i would recommend 12.04 since it is lts with 5y support (until 2017)
[20:25] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  ok, I appreciate your input very much.
[20:25] <kostkon> ozbrk, what kind of probs
[20:26] <ozbrk> ok
[20:26] <ozbrk> I gonna give a last shot for it
[20:26] <vindav> theadmin:  am running that command now in terminal and will wait to let you know what goes.
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> vindav, sure, however you should get help from people who know this area is all.
[20:26] <ozbrk> Ubuntu 12.04 with unity2d
[20:26] <Gnjurac> can somone help me i sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1 can mount partrition whit this comand and it works but asks for sudo password and i addet it trou GUI to start auto but it dosent work probably beacuse it requres password so i did this in visudo KorisnickoIme ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/korisnickoime/Templates/Automaunt but still not working what to do?
[20:26] <ruth> kostkon, we're back after downloading OpenJdk 6 and 7 and tried to open the game MInecraft in Opendjdk, but on our Ubuntu screen it says, "blocked, is not marked as executable, dangerous to run." Now what?
[20:26] <kostkon> ozbrk, even unity(3d)
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> Gnjurac, no password is not a good idea, and not supported here.
[20:27] <duxb> Ok, now I'm getting error reports being generated by /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade crashing
[20:27] <kostkon> ruth, oh right. do the following: right click on it, select properties from the menu, then the permissions tab and then tick the allow executing as program option and finally press ok
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> duxb, You might check the software.list have you modified it?
[20:28] <Gnjurac> wilee-nilee,  i read it online thet thet is best for runing sudo, or not have suggestions?
[20:28] <vindav> theadmin:  am getting this from terminal:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297078/
[20:28] <kostkon> ruth, 'close' button not 'ok'
[20:28] <FabianS> Gnjurac: put it in /etc/fstab?
[20:30] <duxb> wilee: I disabled all third party ppa's, set to the standard ubuntu.com repo, same thing
[20:30] <theadmin> vindav: Oh, right, uh, run "sudo jockey-text --enable=kmod:nvidia_319"
[20:30] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  put this " sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1" or what, and i want to learn how to run bin bash whit sudo anywey
[20:31] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Read the fstab manpage.
[20:31] <vindav> theadmin:  Additional Drivers window mentioned that I should re-boot to activate the Nvidia driver 319 now.  Shall I run that command you issued too ?
[20:31] <ruth> Ok, going to try that.
[20:31] <duxb> what's going to happen if I apt-get dist-upgrade on desktop version?
[20:32] <Elliot_> Hi
[20:32] <Elliot_> How do I chmod a folder so that I can add files to it?
[20:33] <theadmin> vindav: Ah no, never mind, if the window appeared then no problem
[20:33] <theadmin> vindav: Just reboot I guess
[20:33] <duxb> Elliot_ chmod 755 filename
[20:33] <vindav> theadmin:  terminal reported that knmod:nvidia_319 is an unknown driver and to use --list to see available drivers.  So, shall I just now reboot and see what happens ?  BTW, do you know what tty means ?
[20:34] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  ok thet can solve my automount but it will not help me run sudo in bash whitout promting for pass
[20:34] <wilee-nilee> duxb, dist-upgrade upgrades kernels and maybe any other held packages, not a distro
[20:35] <theadmin> vindav: Uh, it's kmod: not knmod:, but yeah just reboot for now. A TTY is a virutal terminal, they normally go from TTY1 to TTY7, you can access them with Ctrl+Alt+F{TTY NUMBER}, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F1 = TTY1
[20:35] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Why would you want to run sudo in bash without prompting for a password?
[20:35] <duxb> Elliot_: but the problem may not be the permissions, but the ownership, which would be fixed by "sudo chown yourusername:yourusername filename"
[20:36] <duxb> wilee: dist-upgrade is for dist(ribution) upgrade, so it should do exactly the same as the upgrade tool, in theory
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> duxb, Its not
[20:36] <hays> ozbrk: try xubuntu if you want lighter weight wm maybe?
[20:36] <ntomkin> WTF
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> in ubuntu anyway
[20:37] <k1l> duxb: its not a 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade.
[20:37] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | duxb
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> duxb: dist-upgrade differs from upgrade in the fact that it will install new dependencies if a package changes dependencies. it's not a distrbiution upgrade in ubuntu
[20:37] <hays> kostkon: i had problems with 13.10 also.  specifically my broadcom wifi broke
[20:37] <duxb> gotcha
[20:38] <duxb> Ok, then how do I upgrade if do-release upgrade is broken?
[20:38] <hays> kostkon: in 12.04 i am using the bcmsmac (sp?) driver.. in 13.10 this driver doesn't work and neither d oes the proprietary STA driver
[20:38] <k1l> duxb: why is it broken? what happens? logs?
[20:38] <MonkeyDust> duxb  any error message?
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> I think there is a bug in this area check duxb
[20:39] <zykotick9> theadmin: VT1-7 are consoles, not TTYs.  a tty is ANY terminal console or Xorg.  ubottu also as some incorrect message about this ;)  hope all is well with you.
[20:39] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  beacuse i want to runs scripts thet requre sudo and not be promted for pass
[20:39] <theadmin> zykotick9: Oh, oops.
[20:39] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  aloot terminal and other commands requre sudo
[20:40] <duxb> mostly, no, one try I got it to generate a crash report, SIG(something)V
[20:40] <FabianS> Gnjurac: That's extremely insecure.
[20:40] <jhutchins> duxb: It's not really the upgrade process that's broken.  It's the resulting install.
[20:40] <kostkon> hays, hmm but yeah in 12.04 both drivers work also for me
[20:40] <hays> kostkon: yeah its a weird problem maybe residing in the kernel ?
[20:40] <duxb> there is no resulting install, it crashes before it changes a single file
[20:41] <jhutchins> duxb: If you're worried about it, hold off for a while before you upgrade.
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> duxb  and what are the symptoms of the crash?
[20:41] <k1l> duxb: without any error or log it is very difficult to help there
[20:41] <duxb> upgrade process disappears after downloading tools, before calculating changes
[20:41] <bekks> duxb: SIGSEGV indicates defective RAM pretty often.
[20:41] <kostkon> hays, maybe, although 12.04.3 comes with 3.8, the same kernel as 13.10
[20:42] <Gnjurac> as i read for me editing   visudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: and making file unreadeble by any other feels secure , why shoudent it be?
[20:42] <hays> hmm
[20:42] <ruth> kostkon, thank you! It Worked! You are a computer genious.
[20:42] <kostkon> ruth, nice :)
[20:42] <duxb> ah, yes, SIGSEGV was the error code
[20:42] <hays> kostkon: not sure ive upgraded to that kernel yet maybe ill try
[20:42] <duxb> I tried /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade from cli and it seems to be working
[20:42] <kostkon> hays, yeah, only if you have installed it recently
[20:42] <bekks> Gnjurac: The will be able to do everything. Do you think thats secure?
[20:42] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Because any software you run will be able to do anything.
[20:43] <kostkon> hays, otherwise, you might have 3.2 or 3.5
[20:43] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Including scripts running in your browser etc.
[20:43] <Gnjurac> w8
[20:43] <Gnjurac> a sec
[20:43] <hays> kostkon: right now i have whatever it came with because i did a factory reset. i think 3.2
[20:43] <hays> but i had it on 13.04 (?) with updated everything and it was working fully i think...  but 13.10 borked it
[20:44] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[20:44] <hays> if you care a lot about it i can try to reproduce
[20:44] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  i was thinking  visudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/Bashscreept  so it gives no request for password for only thet file and i set it to only sudo can acces read edit
[20:44] <hays> would involve me factory resetting again probably
[20:45] <hays> but if it would help devs find the problem im game to give it a go
[20:45] <kostkon> hays, theres no need to do that at the moment
[20:45] <bekks> Gnjurac: That bashscript will be able to do pretty much everything. Thats not secure.
[20:45] <dr3am_> hello
[20:45] <hays> asus has like no downloads for this machine on their website from what i can tell
[20:45] <Gnjurac> bekks,  why if i crated thet bash script and nobody can edit it if he dosent have sudo
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: did you write the bash script yourself?
[20:45] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  y
[20:46] <bekks> Gnjurac: Then why does it need root privileges at all?
[20:46] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  i did  sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1 so i can auto mount
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: you can do that in fstab
[20:47] <kostkon> hays, they sell ubuntu laptops in some markets though
[20:47] <bekks> Gnjurac: You can add an entry to the fstab to allow users to mount that device.
[20:47] <hays> yeah that's what this is
[20:47] <Gnjurac> bekks,  and ntfs-3g needs sudo
[20:47] <hays> http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/1015E/#support_Download
[20:47] <bekks> Gnjurac: Read what we just wrote ;)
[20:47] <dr3am_> i installed ubutnu alongside windows 7, but now when i try to boot windows i have eror "Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software change might be the caus...
[20:47] <dr3am_> any help?
[20:48] <FrameFever> how can I check which shell am I using?
[20:48] <Gnjurac> bekks,  i noticed thet  but i steel wanted to know how to run scripts whit sudo whitout req pass and you started me whit security risks bla bla
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Did you resize windows with the installer, and or remove any partitions?
[20:48] <Gnjurac> anywey how to add to fstab
[20:48] <duxb> dr3am_: did you have to shrink your windows partition to make room for unbuntu?
[20:48] <dr3am_> no
[20:48] <dr3am_> when i install windows
[20:48] <bekks> Gnjurac: Sorry for pointing out the downsides of your approach.
[20:48] <dr3am_> i make c: d: f:
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: lets say, you leave your laptop for a sec, someone can come along and overwrite that script as a prank
[20:49] <dr3am_> windows is on c: data on d, and nothing in f
[20:49] <dr3am_> but i dont know where is install ubunutu :S
[20:49] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, this a wubi install?
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: or use it to create a sudo user for themselves ... or use it to change your password
[20:50] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee: i dont undrestand ?
[20:50] <duxb> dr3am_, if you get into ubuntu, install and open gparted, it should tell you all about your partitions
[20:50] <dr3am_> duxb
[20:50] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Did you install ubuntu from a live cd/usb?
[20:50] <dr3am_> how to do that i am new in linux
[20:50] <dr3am_> from a usb
[20:51] <kostkon> hays, oh it's an ubuntu laptop, nice then :)
[20:51] <duxb> dr3am_, you can install new programs through the software center
[20:51] <hays> kostkon: yeah im shocked it doesn't work flawlessly
[20:51] <dr3am_> how to bot now on windows ?
[20:51] <squishface> hello, i am looking to get netflix installed on my ubuntu ssalamander  browser.  any ideas for installing silver light
[20:51] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  how can he owerwriete thet file when i did set it to be writable only whit sudo
[20:51] <Richhh> does Lubuntu need a wired internet connection to install fully?
[20:52] <kostkon> hays, it's working with the installed version, 12.04 that is.
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, no
[20:52] <hays> kostkon: yeah, that works great
[20:52] <duxb> dr3am_, that last sentence made no sense...
[20:52] <Richhh> wont be missing anything at all wilee-nilee ?
[20:52] <dr3am_> my english is bad, sry
[20:52] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  thet file executes what i writed and nobody can edit thet file beacuse he dosent have premisions sudo
[20:52] <duxb> just try again
[20:52] <hays> kostkon: im a bit disappointed that asus provides no support it seems for the thing though
[20:53] <Guest44098> in 12.04 session fallback mode how can I make my application's icon show in system tray?
[20:53] <Richhh> ok thx will try now
[20:53] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, which release is it a daily? m issing what, your questions are way to broad, with no context or details.
[20:53] <duxb> dr3am_: what is your native language?
[20:53] <dr3am_> i installed win 7 on c:, and make d: parcition for date, and also make f for ubutnu, then i install ubuntu from usb in option "install ubuntu alongside windows".
[20:53] <kostkon> hays, yeah
[20:54] <dr3am_> there is no option in installation to install on f:
[20:54] <Richhh> wilee-nilee 13.10 desktop i386
[20:54] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, You can't make a partition in windows to install ubuntu on from a usb
[20:54] <bekks> dr3am_: Yes. Because Ubuntu cant use Windows filesystems for installing Ubuntu.
[20:54] <dr3am_> now i dont know how to boot winddows 7, and i dont know whete i installed ubuntu
[20:54] <duxb> dr3am_ the default "install along side windows" will shrink all the windows partitions to make room for a new partition
[20:54] <sam113101> GUYS
[20:55] <sam113101> GUUUUYS
[20:55] <fishscene> sam113101: Please state your question.
[20:55] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Did you read the install guide?
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, Are you planning to have no internet at all, or you can't get a ethernet setup of wifi at this time?
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> or*
[20:55] <dr3am_> jhutchins: no
[20:55] <pinch0> K
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> Gnurdux: i'm saying that if someone comes along, while your away from your computer and your account is logged in, they can change the file to whatever they want
[20:55] <dr3am_> duxb: any help how to boot windows 7 again ?
[20:55] <sam113101> I wonder if the magic trackpad works as expected on ubuntu?
[20:55] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Perhaps that would be a good idea.
[20:55] <hays> kostkon: i think its supposed to work with the bcmsmac driver so they figure the kernel folks have it
[20:56] <Richhh> wilee-nilee i plan to have internet, preferably wireless, my router is quite far away and i don't have a long enough ethernet cable
[20:56] <jhutchins> dr3am_: If it's not in the grub boot menu you may have removed it.
[20:56] <pinch0> What's the server for linux mint?
[20:56] <bekks> 11!mint < pinch0
[20:56] <bekks> GNA.
[20:56] <kostkon> hays, yeah, eveything is in the kernel so they don't need to care i guess
[20:56] <bekks> !mint | pinch0
[20:56] <duxb> dr3am_: if you put in your windows installation cd, it should have a repair tool that you may need to run to fix your install
[20:56] <pinch0> Bella thank you
[20:57] <pinch0> Bekks
[20:57] <duxb> after you do this, you may need to repair grub to get the boot choice menu back, google it and you'll find lots of guilds to do that
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, As long as its a regular live install you will everything, but additional drivers that would be detected and downloaded, which might be important if you are not up for installing them without a internet access after install.
[20:57] <pinch0> Sorry on android, um never getting another android ever again
[20:57] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Be aware that the windows repair tool will make it impossible to boot to ubuntu.
[20:57] <Ziber> I want to loop-mount the desktop iso of 14.04 to install it on a PV xen vm. Where in the directory structure is the kernel/initrd?
[20:57] <dr3am_> duxb: ok i will try , thanks
[20:58] <bekks> Ziber: 14.04? There isnt an ISO even, I guess.
[20:58] <duxb> google "repair grub" to get the boot choice menu back
[20:58] <Ziber> In fact, there is.
[20:58] <Ben64> Ziber: #ubuntu+1 for 14.04, but its not even alpha yet
[20:58] <jhutchins> Ziber: loop mount it and browse.
[20:58] <hays> kostkon: not in this list: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Asus/?category=Desktop&category=Laptop
[20:58] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, ON occasion we see people here who have limited skills with tough driver issues and are in trouble is all.
[20:58] <hays> that's upsetting  a bit
[20:58] <Ziber> jhutchins: I can't find it.
[20:59] <jhutchins> duxb: Why do you suppose he'd need the windows bootloader?  Grub should find and boot to windows if it's still there.
[20:59] <wagonboi> does anyone know how to find a virtualbox file using FIND? I lost mine and it's 10gigs, I need that space :\
[20:59] <duxb> not if his windows install was corrupted by the repartition, usually something in the windows bootloader that grub hands off to
[20:59] <bodhi_zazen> Ziber: the files you want are in /casper - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples#Ubuntu_Menuentry_Examples
[21:00] <duxb> windows is such a fragile thing, and partition moving always presents a risk
[21:00] <bodhi_zazen> unless they moved 'me ;)
[21:00] <Ziber> Oh, look at that. Thanks.
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> bodhi_zazen, howdee good to see you here. ;)
[21:01] <V4mpire> hey guys, i have a friend trying to use s-video and they are only getting it in black and white, any ideas?
[21:01] <bodhi_zazen> 14.04 daily build - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:02] <Trudko_> Guys is there some soft with tips for ubuntu, something like tip of the day
[21:02] <mikeiz> hello,
[21:02] <mikeiz> i have a problem with steam on Ubuntu 13.10
[21:02] <kostkon> hays, yeah hmm, and all of those have an atheros wifi card
[21:03] <hays> its like the asus 1015e-ds03 doesn't exist...
[21:03] <duxb> mikeiz: what's your problem?
[21:03] <dr3am_> any idea how to fix boot to win 7, when i insert win 7 cd and go to repair
[21:04] <Ziber> Hm.
[21:04] <dr3am_> This version of System Recovery Options is not comparible with the version of windows you are ty to repair.
[21:04] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:04] <dr3am_> any other way ??
[21:04] <mikeiz> so i can't start steam, libgl.sl
[21:04] <duxb> dr3am_: that question is going to have to go to the windows channel
[21:04] <bekks> dr3am_: Thats a good question for the vendor of your computer.
[21:04] <dr3am_> is there way to delete ubuntu any try again ?
[21:04] <mikeiz> libgl.so.1 are missing
[21:04] <sam113101> !guideline
[21:05] <sam113101> !guidelines
[21:05] <duxb> dr3am_: any partitioning tool has a way to delete parameters, but that won't get you windows back to how it was before if it's not working now
[21:06] <duxb> partitions* not parameters
[21:06] <mikeiz> i can't fix this problem because on ubuntu 13.10 ia-32lib are not available
[21:07] <pinch0> Anyone know a work around a bug for a school network (PEAP) when you ignore the certificates it somehow sets them to true anyway.
[21:08] <hitsujiTMO> mikeiz: have you fixed the dependancy issues for steam after you install it with: sudo apt-get -f install
[21:08] <Ben64> mikeiz: ubuntu uses multiarch now instead of ia32-libs
[21:08] <hays> kostkon: if you were going to document the kernel config what would you grab?  lsmod, lspci, anything else?
[21:08] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:08] <dr3am_> duxb: i dont know is it work, when i on start go on windows 7 loader it says it cant boot
[21:08] <Elliot_> Guys where can I find my FTP credentials?
[21:08] <bekks> hays: Neither not. the kernel config can be found in /boot
[21:08] <mikeiz> why i can use multi-arch ?
[21:09] <Elliot_> I don't remember setting them but Wordpress is asking for them
[21:09] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:09] <hitsujiTMO> elliot_ did you setup an ftp daemon on your server?
[21:10] <Elliot_> No I didn't
[21:10] <hays> bekks: true but will that show 3rd party modules and what not?
[21:10] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Can you boot to ubuntu?
[21:10] <dr3am_> yes
[21:10] <pinch0> Anyone? Peap bug has been reported in may and never fixed
[21:10] <bekks> hays: No. It will show your kernel configuration, which was asked :)
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: then you will have to manually do what wordpress is asking
[21:10] <bekks> pinch0: You are using Mint, arent you?
[21:10] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee: yes
[21:10] <Elliot_> I don't the password for FTp
[21:10] <mikeiz> hitsujiTMO: Yes ...
[21:11] <hays> bekks: what im trying to do is ascertain the status of my hardware so that when I upgrade and can see what has changed and where things might be broken
[21:11] <Elliot_> It's local btw
[21:11] <Elliot_> localhost
[21:11] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee:everything is fine on ubuntu
[21:11] <bekks> hays: Then why do you need the kernel config at all?
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, use this app the bootinfo summary only, and post the url that is generated, it will give a lot of info that we really need to help you. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:11] <pinch0> Yeah based on ubuntu, I couldn't connect to spotchat on my android, since I can't use my computer (the bug is on launchpad) in ubuntu
[21:11] <doomlord_> since 13.10 upgrade i seem to have lost sound , any pointers on what i should look at to fix it
[21:11] <mikeiz> Ben64: Why i can use Multi-arch ? Can you help me
[21:11] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: you'll have to figure out what wordpress wants to do with the ftp details and do it yourself
[21:11] <bekks> pinch0: Mint isnt supported in here.
[21:12] <doomlord_> speakers/headphones are plugged in, volume is up :)
[21:12] <hays> bekks: well when I said kernel config I wasn't talking about .config I was talking about the dynamic configuration of active modules and status of hardware
[21:12] <pinch0> I understand that bug is in ubuntu
[21:12] <hays> bekks: not too interesting into getting into a semantic debate though :)
[21:12] <Ben64> mikeiz: not sure what you mean by that, but if you installed steam correctly, it should have pulled in all dependencies
[21:13] <Ben64> hays: "kernel config" means a specific thing on linux
[21:13] <sam113101> guyyyyys :)))))
[21:13] <fishscene> sam113101: Please stop spamming.
[21:13] <sam113101> do apple's trackpads work as expected on ubuntu?
[21:13] <bekks> sam113101: Stop it. You really get boring.
[21:13] <sam113101> gestures, exposé, etc.
[21:13] <sam113101> fishscene: bekks: what?
[21:14] <sam113101> k1l said it was alright
[21:14] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:14] <pinch0> ProbBly not Sam
[21:14] <bekks> sam113101: ignore set.
[21:14] <mikeiz> Ben64: I have download .deb file on official website .. Update Ok.
[21:14] <hays> Ben64: well god damnit if it wasn't obvious from the context of my entire question, but whatever
[21:14] <sam113101> nisstyre: hello
[21:14] <fishscene> sam113101: Please read the channel guidelines.
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> sam113101: gestures are interpreted at software level, not in the hardware, ubuntu gestures work un unbuntu, osx gesture work in osx
[21:15] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> oscalation: to change the timezone use: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[21:16] <wilee-nilee> oscalation, You have a desktop?
[21:16] <hays> well despite the pointless semantic nitpicking you two have provided I think lshw captures most of it. I guess I'll go with that as I upgrade this machine to try to identify where the 13.10 release fucked up my machine. thanks.
[21:16] <Ben64> hays: watch the language and attitude here
[21:17] <hays> Ben64: ok thanks for the additional useful information Ben.
[21:18] <Ben64> !attitude | hays
[21:18] <Snake2k> Hey, can anyone please tell me what Ubuntu for Android is? or how I can use it? :/
[21:18] <Dudytz> hi all! I am using gnome 3.10. How can I enable the left bar like this http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-D2D-patched.png?
[21:18] <sam113101> hitsujiTMO: hmmmm? well, I mean, first we need a good driver that detects the gesture, and then software (maybe the window manager) that makes a good use of them
[21:19] <Elliot_> Fixed the problem by typing: /var/www$ sudo chown -R www-data wordpress
[21:19] <Elliot_> Thanks for the help though :D
[21:20] <sam113101> but will I be able to setup gestures to have them the same as on a mac, on ubuntu?
[21:20] <jhutchins> Elliot_: Looks like the right way to fix it.
[21:20] <Snake2k> Dudytz: I don't know much about manipulating gnome panels, but you could look into Docks http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-power-docks-for-your-linux-machine/
[21:21] <jhutchins> sam113101: Depends on how good you are.  You're talking touchpad gestures?
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> sam113101: no, not unless someone writes specific gesture support for the specific touchpad
[21:21] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:21] <hays> kostkon: did you say that 12.04 lts has 3.8 kernels?  Im showing the latest at 3.2.0-55 here.  Maybe something in my apt-sources?
[21:21] <sam113101> jhutchins: I want to do win+w with three fingers swipe, show workspaces with four fingers swipe, etc.
[21:22] <sam113101> and yes, touchpad gestures
[21:22] <jhutchins> sam113101: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch http://blog.ubuntulinuxguide.com/2013/03/get-mac-like-gesture-support-for-ubuntu.html
[21:22] <hitsujiTMO> snake2k ubuntu for android is ubuntu ruinning in a virtual machine on android. the project now appears to be dead and it has been replaced with ubuntu touch
[21:22] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar
[21:22] <sam113101> jhutchins: I'll read them
[21:23] <sam113101> thanks
[21:23] <Ben64> hays: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling
[21:23] <hays> sam113101: I got some basic gestures working.. the two-finger scroll is "backwards" from how the newer macs do it, but there is some configuration option somewhere to change it to be consistent with mac defaults...
[21:23] <jhutchins> sam113101: I wouldn't expect to get 100% of them working, but you might get close.
[21:23] <Snake2k> hitsujiTMO: Oh I see, thank you very much :)
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> sisterFister: disable sticky edges in the display settings
[21:24] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:24] <hays> Ben64: do I need to be concerned that the first sentence in that page says the information provided is obsolete and irrelevant?
[21:25] <Ben64> hays: weird... the 12.04 stuff is all accurate though
[21:25] <bxtxcx> hi there!
[21:25] <sisterFister> hitsujiTMO: that option isn't there :\
[21:25] <kostkon> hays, 12.04 has 3.2, you'll get 3.8 only if you install 12.04.3 or manually install the raring stack becuase older 12.04 installations don't get updated automatically. see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:25] <Ben64> !info linux-generic-lts-raring precise | hays
[21:26] <bxtxcx> i just installed Ubuntu 12.04lts on my macbook which was running snow leopard. I cant load the front camera! i have cheese app but says no device found
[21:26] <Ben64> kostkon: oh thats the link i was looking for
[21:26] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:26] <HeathHayle> Is there any way of installing ubuntu on a really old celron mobile processor laptop?
[21:27] <sisterFister> HeathHayle: try lubuntu ?
[21:27] <HeathHayle> Yer I am trying that now but it says it only supported till april 2014
[21:27] <sisterFister> HeathHayle: or puppylinux, it is so small that it stays on the RAM http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[21:28] <sisterFister> 100MB
[21:28] <kostkon> HeathHayle, yeah, lubuntu 12.04 is not an lts. i think 14.04 will be though
[21:28] <hays> kostkon: Ben64: so for troubleshooting purposes it seems like I should install the quantal kernel and then precise and see where things start to go to hell
[21:29] <hays> and I am assuming that installing 12.04.3 is equivalent to installing the updated hardware enablement stack
[21:29] <bxtxcx> anybody know how i can get the front camera up and going?
[21:29] <kostkon> hays, yeah the quantal, not raring sorry. you could try that and see how it goes. you can always revert back to the previous one if you know how
[21:30] <kostkon> hays, revert to the 3.2 kernel*
[21:30] <hays> im not even sure how to see what version of ubuntu im running .. lets see if its somewhere obvious vice digging around in the command lind
[21:30] <kostkon> hays, actually it;s not only about the kernel, also it's the graphics stack that gets updated
[21:31] <HeathHayle> But 14.04 doesn't work oh old hardware does it?
[21:31] <HeathHayle> On
[21:31] <bodhi_zazen> hays: cat /etc/issue
[21:31] <kostkon> hays, you are running 12.04.3.
[21:31] <hays> lsb_release maybe
[21:31] <Ben64> HeathHayle: ubuntu isn't really geared for very old computers
[21:32] <hays> yep im on 12.04.3 with the 3.2 kernel.. so that means these other packages update my kernel. cool. good way to safely narrow this down.
[21:33] <kostkon> HeathHayle, you could try lubuntu 13.10 and then upgrade to 14.04 that is going to be lts
[21:33] <dr3am_> i have windows on c: particion and data on d:, i install ubuntu on option "Install ubuntu alongside windows", now my question is where is installed ubunut ? Is it on c: ?
[21:33] <kostkon> hays, kernel and X
[21:33] <Ben64> dr3am_: linux doesn't use things like c: or d:
[21:33] <hays> kostkon: im pretty sure I had raring working on this
[21:33] <hays> i didn't formally test but i didn't run into anything glaring...  so we will see how this goes
[21:33] <bxtxcx> nobody knows how i can have the front camera working?! i have a macbook and running ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:34] <kostkon> hays, ok
[21:34] <ubuntu-studio> Hi there, guys. Any hint for a total newbie in UbuntuStudio?
[21:34] <hitsujiTMO> dr3am_: ubuntu will attempt to resize the partitions to make space for it. it will have its own partition (not visible from windows)
[21:35] <dr3am_> okey, but i cant run windows now, if i decide to install windows again and format c: , will i delete ubutnu ?
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> ubuntu-studio, well there is a #ubuntustudio channel, if you need support give details.
[21:35] <Ben64> dr3am_: you should paste the stuff requested of you like 30 mins ago
[21:35] <duxb> dr3am_ you won't delete it, but you will have to repair grub to be able to see it again
[21:35] <ubuntu-studio> THank you wilee-nilee. Joining.
[21:36] <Ben64> Oct 24 2013 14:11:30 <wilee-nilee>	dr3am_, use this app the bootinfo summary only, and post the url that is generated, it will give a lot of info that we really need to help you. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:36] <mjuszczak> Do I have to install 13.10 from scratch or is it reasonably reliable to simply go from 13.04 to 13.10 with distupgrade?
[21:37] <bodhi_zazen> dr3am_: "depends" , terms such as "c:" have limited meaning, you have to understand how both windows and linux refer to partitions, otherwise you will write data / install / format the wrong location and loose data
[21:37] <hays> hmm interesting. I got a message saying restricted drivers are available when i upgraded to 3.2.0-55
[21:37] <kostkon> mjuszczak, backup first, always do that, then try upgrading
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> mjuszczak, Some upgrade with no problems some do not, make sure you have backups always.
[21:38] <mjuszczak> sounds good.  Thank you.
[21:38] <hitsujiTMO> mjuszczak: purging ppas might be a good idea too
[21:38] <hays> wow a lot of hw modules removed..  fat32 and weird stuff that was probably just made monolithic
[21:38] <bxtxcx> nobody knows then?
[21:39] <Patero-ng> I have a dilema, I have a folder named coco owned by root with permissions dr-------- meaning read only for root, as a user I can't access it but doing sudo cd coco/ just returns invalid command... so how can I access this folder as root?
[21:39] <hays> When Ubuntu tells me that there are restrticted drivers available, where is it going to get them from?  e.g. what is it going to do under the hood
[21:39] <Ben64> Patero-ng: you need +x to be able to enter a directory, and "sudo cd" is not really going to do what you want either
[21:39] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: chmod +x it
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> bxtxcx, Can you identify the camera more exacting, run lspci and see if the info is there. sometimes cheese needs to be installed, details are the key here.
[21:41] <hitsujiTMO> bxtxcx: more than likely the camera is usb so you will need to run: lsusb
[21:41] <Xanadu> hey whats up?
[21:42] <Ionut> Hi, why do I get this? E: Couldn't configure pre-depend upstart-job for hostname, probably a dependency cycle.
[21:43] <duxb> hays: nvidia gives proprietary drivers to ubuntu to use if the user so chooses
[21:43] <pfifo> whats the largest value I can use for a user id in 13.10 64bit? 2^64?
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, WE can help get the bootrepair app loaded and the part run needed if you are unable to understand using it, we are here to help, but we need details many times to do so.
[21:44] <duxb> your computer installs them from the ubuntu repos, but they're closed source, and written/maintained by nvidia, or whoever
[21:44] <hitsujiTMO> pfifo nobody - 1
[21:45] <dr3am_> is there any other way to fix windows boot without win cd repair ?
[21:45] <pfifo> only 16bit? thats so 1980's
[21:46] <Patero-ng> Ben64: I know I just added x to owner but still sudo cd won't work
[21:46] <hays> duxb: yeah these aren't nvidia.. not sure what they are because i don't know how to get a list.. its just a button to install
[21:46] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I just did still sudo cd says is invalid
[21:46] <Ben64> Patero-ng: read what i wrote... i said "sudo cd" isn't going to do what you want
[21:47] <jhutchins> Patero-ng: Your permissions are invalid.
[21:47] <duxb> hays: if ubuntu is asking you to install them, they're from the official repos, so they can be trusted, but updates to them may come infrequently or not be supported by the official ubuntu team
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: your prob able to get into the directory as root, but cant as a user.
[21:47] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:47] <hays> duxb: yeah i just want to see waht they are
[21:48] <Patero-ng> Ben64: I just want to access the folder so I can see its files and stuff then if sudo cd is not valid how can I access that folder
[21:48] <duxb> hays: what are they for? sound? network?
[21:48] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: i can't as root either
[21:48] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: unless I change chmod bits
[21:49] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: to allow users or other users then root read and execute permisions and I don't want that
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: what are the permissions for the directory now?
[21:49] <Patero-ng> dr-x------
[21:49] <Patero-ng> ^
[21:49] <hays> duxb: i don't know
[21:50] <hays> duxb: I just have a button that says drivers are available.. trying to see what they are
[21:50] <saml> hays, help me
[21:50] <wolfy1339> guys, how do i lock /var/lib/dpkg cause a process that was using it crashed
[21:50] <duxb> hays: if you start the install, you should be able to see what it is, but that does require starting it
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> only as root can you enter that directory. you cannot enter with sudo, as once you're in then you no longer have permissions so you get kicked out again
[21:50] <saml> what's the app that prompts you  when i do `git pull` ?
[21:51] <saml> ssh key stuff
[21:51] <jpds> saml: SSH.
[21:51] <bodhi_zazen> Patero-ng: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml#zzee_link_9_1077830297
[21:51] <saml> it was gui prompt
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[21:51] <saml> it stopped working
[21:51] <duxb> pater: try sudo su; cd directoryname
[21:51] <jpds> saml: Then, whatever SSH is using a plugin for key auth, like seahorse.
[21:51] <saml> or should i just use ssh-agent ?
[21:51] <pfifo> Patero-ng: maybe you want, 'sudo ls coco/'
[21:52] <saml> jpds, i had this in autostart @/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:52] <saml>
[21:52] <xubuntu__> hi
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> permissions for files != permissions for directories, and what are you hoping to do with "sudo cd ..."
[21:52] <peter_> guy I installed ubuntu next to windows and I would swear that I let 15 GB for ubuntu but now my partition has only 5.7 which is almost full
[21:52] <saml> but that command fails since upgrade to 13.10
[21:52] <hays> duxb: ahhh  Qualcomm Ethernet and STA driver.. that's interesting.. it wants to install the STA package
[21:52] <Patero-ng> pfifo: that's an option
[21:52] <peter_> what is easiest way how to enlarge it ?
[21:52] <xubuntu__> can anyone help me repartition the disk for ubuntu ?
[21:52] <jhutchins> peter_: Back up your data, repartition, restore.
[21:52] <xubuntu__> Im on a sony vaio and it has a LOT of ntfs partitions
[21:52] <xubuntu__> i dont know why
[21:53] <wolfy1339> why is it that nobody here is answering my questions??!!
[21:53] <hays> There is an AES_64 module that is gone, and a dm_crypt module added
[21:53] <saml> hrm polkit is already running
[21:53] <duxb> xubuntu: gparted on a live cd
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> peter_ use gparted from live cd
[21:53] <jhutchins> wolfy1339: It could just be that nobody understands what you want.  I think maybe you want to remove the lock file from the failed proces so you can re-run it.
[21:54] <jhutchins> wolfy1339: We're all just fellow users hanging out.
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: can you explain exactly what you want to do and we might be able to advise a better alternative
[21:54] <xubuntu__> i know how to do it, but im not sure about the sizes, or whether to delete others, or if im allowed to use 6/7 partitions
[21:54] <xubuntu__> in a ssd disk
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> wolfy1339: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:55] <wolfy1339> thx
[21:55] <xubuntu__> it seems to have no free space. ill send a screensho
[21:55] <peter_> btw this is how my disk looks now http://postimg.org/image/isikw8yhl/
[21:55] <xubuntu__> t
[21:55] <Archyme> xubuntu__, why dont you just resize the partition you want to make bigger? then your not adding a partition
[21:55] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: just a folder that a root can read and everyone else can't even read less write or execute
[21:55] <jhutchins> I swear I saw a factoid from ubottu on how to unlock a stuck apt process...
[21:55] <peter_> i think i did provide the 15gb but it got splited what is difference between filesystem partition and swap?
[21:56] <peyam> Hej
[21:56] <pfifo> jhutchins: you should check ubottu.com
[21:56] <peter_> i would like to merge those two
[21:56] <peyam> I want to show the GPU tempertature in conky. how do I do it?
[21:56] <jhutchins> pfifo: Not sure of my search terms.
[21:56] <peyam> I use this one. but it doesnt work http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com/2013/07/13/display-the-ati-amd-radeon-hd-temperature-in-conky/
[21:56] <jhutchins> peyam: Do you have a gpu temperature sensor?
[21:56] <pfifo> jhutchins: read them all 1 by 1?
[21:56] <xubuntu__> Archyme, but there are only ntfs partitions...
[21:57] <peyam> jhutchins: yes. lm-sensors
[21:57] <wilee-nilee> jhutchins sudo apt-get -f install maybe or  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:57] <jhutchins> peyam: No, I mean are you sure the actual sensor exists?
[21:57] <bodhi_zazen> !aptlock | jhutchins
[21:57] <jhutchins> wilee-nilee: That won't work if a crashed process locked the DB>
[21:57] <Archyme> xubuntu__, did you install ubuntu through windows?
[21:57] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: thats what you're doing , but why is more akin to what i'm asking for
[21:58] <jhutchins> bodhi_zazen: Dead on, I'll try to remember that!
[21:58] <wilee-nilee> jhutchins, I only read your last post that was not in that.
[21:58] <peyam> yes. it shows the tempearute in the terminal jhutchins . but since I have two variables names temp1 the conky shows both of them and not one
[21:58] <peyam> jhutchins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297556/
[21:58] <xubuntu__> Archyme, http://imgur.com/H0M5GC7
[21:58] <tripelb> 12.04 5+ gig dee o  hard drive. it got slow. WHAT IS UP? Also "some files unreadable. What so I do next. Just rebooted still so slow it is pausing to select an entry in a directory list.
[21:58] <xubuntu__> that is a screenshot of my disk
[21:58] <xubuntu__> i dont know where to add ubuntu
[21:59] <pfifo> tripelb: trying to read that bad block over and over again until it finally gives up and times out
[21:59] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I think there are other alternatives I can do like what other person recommended to use ls instead then cd to view the files inside that folder
[21:59] <Archyme> xubuntu__, do you have drive letters on all of those partitions?
[22:00] <Marlenee> iam looking for best secure free disk spcae eraser  ?
[22:00] <pfifo> Patero-ng: we want to know the bigger picture here, your trying to look at some files owned by root... well why do you want to look at root's files?
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> "best" is subjective, I like scrub, YMMV
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> Marlenee: ^^
[22:01] <jhutchins> peyam: You can rename the variables in the config for lm_sensors.
[22:02] <peyam> jhutchins: how?
[22:02] <Archyme> Marlenee, you can still find parted magic for free if you look hard enough
[22:03] <peter_> ou crap i see I didnt realize that if i let ubuntu have 15 GB it will take  8 for swap -_-
[22:03] <xubuntu_> heres a screenshot of my disk. im not sure what those partitions are. http://imgur.com/H0M5GC7
[22:03] <Marlenee> Archyme : iam just Looking For simple CLI tool
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen> Marlenee: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024K count=1024; rm file
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> Marlenee: dd is the best free secure disk eraser
[22:05] <pfifo> bodhi_zazen: thats not a very secure disc erase
[22:05] <Archyme> Marlenee, are you trying to do something like windows' trim? for a ssd?
[22:06] <Marlenee> is "dd" faster enough to erase a big freespace like 500 GB or it depend on the speed of the HDD
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> pfifo: if the count is large enough, it will zero fill the free space and IMO is secure , for the entire disk, modify dd, of=/dev/sda or what not
[22:07] <jpds> Marlenee: Depends on the size of the HDD and how fast it spins.
[22:07] <k1l> Marlenee: take a look at "shred". but the speed is limited by the hdd
[22:07] <dr3am_> damn
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> Marlenee: its as fast as anyother software is going to be, limited only by hdd speed/interface speed
[22:07] <dr3am_> ubuntu is piece of shit
[22:07] <tmmunq> also the command you use for dd, blocksize makes a huge difference
[22:08] <hays> kostkon: well 3.5 was ok... going to the raring stack now.. which I also suspect will work since I was on raring before im pretty sure.
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> !language | dr3am_
[22:08] <pfifo> bodhi_zazen: im talking the /dev/zero part, try /dev/urandom in the future, also if you omit the count altoghter, it will fill the disk
[22:08] <kostkon> hays, nice
[22:09] <hays> kostkon: well if its not a kernel issue im kinda stumped where the problem could have resided.. but i guess well see
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> why is urandom more or less secure then /dev/zero ?
[22:09] <kostkon> hays, yeah
[22:09] <tmmunq> wait, are you trying to just zero the disc or shred it for encryption?
[22:09] <hays> bodhi_zazen: that is a complicated question that depends on a lot of hardware specific information about the disk
[22:10] <Patero-ng> pfifo: because she is my math teacher
[22:10] <hays> the biggest key is really making sure the disk is actually physically writing zeros where you think it is
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> we seem to have a discusssion on whats best to erase a hd  in here about every week. ;)  I think  the general idea is that using zero, makes it practically unrecoverable by any but the most dedicated reovery experts.. and even with the experts its not a guarentee if its even possible. ;)
[22:10] <hays> and that is highly unsure especially with an SSD.
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> Yes - The rules are very differnt with SSD drives..
[22:11] <hays> The only way to really get rid of the data is to destroy the disk
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> ;) not even sure they can be recovered from, unless they dont write to the location in question.
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> !bs | dr3am_
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> definatly seen people say 'dont use dd' on a ssd.
[22:11] <pfifo> Patero-ng: what?
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> well.. dont use dd to write to a ssd. ;)
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, There is a Bosnia local try them if thats where your at the language problem is where we are at.
[22:12] <hays> Dr_Willis: well there are some history effects that can occur with SSDs because of the way the data is written (quantum tunneling or some crap that leaves a trace for a while)
[22:12] <hays> its been a while since I've read the papers on it
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> hays: theres trim for ssds (well, those that support it)
[22:13] <hays> also depends on who your adversary is for what you are comfortable with
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> hays:  in theory information is never destroyed if you throw it in a black hole also.. ;) but it all  boils down to the practical aspects ;) Im a mechanic jim! not a therotical-physisicsist..
[22:13] <hays> but if they have microscopes and are willing to use them, you're mostly hosed
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> check the logs for the channel. should be a lot of urls mentioned.
[22:14] <hays> Dr_Willis: well suffice it to say that I've seen some things that are surprisingly possible with the right tools, and mostly automated
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> Hehe, start trek quotes. ;)
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> star*
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> Hay - from what i recall  in the discussions..  a lot of that was in theory also.. but i just watch the discussions here. ;) i dont read the articals.
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> the original was the best in my book
[22:15] <pfifo> Dr_Willis: how are you a mechnic if your a doctor?