[07:51] <nameless1> ill search for it, but if its a steaming video server, i dont have the bandwidth for that so im not interested in that if thats what it is
[07:51] <synthetic_> thanks
[07:52] <synthetic_> I couldn't get it working with warty, either, but I have the correct driver
[07:52] <jamey3> Teatimer, I see
[07:52] <scizho> ow...
[07:52] <synthetic_> I'm just not entirely sure what to do with it now - Hoary doesn't have the network connection set up dealy
[07:52] <hac> Gamin in my ubuntu is not started,How Can i start gamin?
[07:52] <jamey3> Teatimer, what does this app do? Try running it in the terminal
[07:53] <scizho> that just some codec, it take some time to download, but not that long
[07:53] <synthetic_> Sound wasn't working in hoary either, i'm assuming maybe i need drivers but again, not sure what to do with them even if I get them
[07:53] <synthetic_> this is my second day using Linux
[07:53] <scizho> about 5-10 minute for me
[07:54] <jayparadise> hi
[07:54] <jamey3> Teatimer, ok then
[07:54] <goldfish> !sound
[07:54] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, goldfish
[07:54] <jayparadise> anyone willing to give kernel help
[07:55] <jayparadise> i htink i messed it up while trying to add features
[07:55] <jayparadise> im pretty sure when i restart bye bye u buntu
[07:55] <Teatimer> Anyone use a NETGEAR USB WIFI stick in ubuntu via ndiswrapper?
[07:56] <jayparadise> unless i can get a new one, is there an apt-get for it or...... does it matter THAT Much which one ig et?
[07:56] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know what other Distros send out free cds?
[07:56] <zukalk> jayparadise, what's your CPU?
[07:56] <HappyFool> jayparadise: did you remove the images in /boot ?
[07:56] <Teatimer> brb then I guess
[07:56] <zenlunatic> would ubuntu run good on a x86 200mhz 128m ram?
[07:56] <jayparadise> no
[07:57] <jayparadise> i didnt
[07:57] <Tsukasa> zenlunatic, it would run horrible
[07:57] <jamey3> Blue_Summer, I haven't found any (and I've searched) but I've come to the conclusion that Ubuntu is so great that all other distros are not worth obtaining!
[07:57] <synthetic_> Anyone have an idea how to get my usb mouse working? It was plug and play with Warty
[07:57] <zenlunatic> jamey3: wow good for you
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, what's wrong with that?!
[07:58] <Blue_Summer> jamey3,  lol
[07:58] <jamey3> lol
[07:58] <jamey3> Some people... sheesh
[07:58] <zenlunatic> jamey3: your just a flaming fan boy
[07:58] <scizho> synthetic_ : have you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, fine whatever
[07:58] <zenlunatic> jamey3: maybe other people like other distros
[07:58] <jayparadise> so the kernel images will act as backup so when i reboot itl be liiek i never messed iwth it?
[07:58] <jamey3> zenlunatic, good for them. I like Ubuntu. I've tried dozens of others.
[07:59] <HappyFool> jayparadise: well, unless you install the image you created in /boot, and changed grub, everything should be ok
[07:59] <zenlunatic> jamey3: well you don't have to pick just one distro and be a fan boy of it
[07:59] <synthetic_> scizho:  i'm not sure what that means
[07:59] <nameless1> wtf is wrong with totem.... i installed the codecs the right way... they are all listed in the right directory....... yet it refuses to use them to play the videos...... I NEED a video player setup asap.... it so sux how linux comes with no codecs
[07:59] <zenlunatic> jamey3: you can like different things for different reasons
[07:59] <zenlunatic> nameless1: vlc is good
[08:00] <jamey3> zenlunatic, I don't. I run Gentoo, Debian, RH, SuSE and many other flavours. FreeBSD too.
[08:00] <jayparadise> i hope so
[08:00] <Tsukasa> nameless1, use gxine
[08:00] <zenlunatic> jamey3: good for you heh
[08:00] <scizho> synthetic_ : it do detect your vga card, keyboard and mouse
[08:00] <nameless1> yeh how do i install codecs for them tho.... thats the problem...
[08:00] <synthetic_> scizho:  just go into a terminal and type that?
[08:00] <jamey3> zenlunatic, ;)
[08:00] <Tsukasa> nameless1, gxine doesn't need extra codecs
[08:00] <Tsukasa> it plays a lot of stuff out of the box
[08:01] <Tsukasa> like vlc
[08:01] <zenlunatic> jamey3: enough of this though i really must get back to what i was doing
[08:01] <nameless1> ya got my attention now tsukasa!, time to go install it
[08:01] <jamey3> zenlunatic, lol... what were you doing?
[08:01] <nameless1> whats better tho vlc or gzine?
[08:01] <scizho> synthetic_ : yes, but i think you will have to restrat X
[08:01] <synthetic_> scizho, thanks
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: um i checked out 4 books and downloaded one book that i want to read
[08:02] <jamey3> nameless1, I think VLC is
[08:02] <synthetic_> must be run as root?
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, cool what were they about?
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: and i have a four day weekend to read them in
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: veganism
[08:02] <Tsukasa> well, xine can go to fullscreen on all systems I know
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, cool I'm a vegetarian
[08:02] <Tsukasa> vlc has a little issue regarding panels and stuff
[08:02] <pgidz> nameless1 what version of totem have you installed
[08:02] <scizho> nameless1 : once you get gstreamer, youll have it for both totem and xine
[08:02] <jamey3> zenlunatic, dairy is pissing me off atm so I may turn vegan eventually
[08:02] <Tsukasa> so I like xine better :)
[08:02] <zenlunatic> jamey3: um lets continue this convo in /msg if you want to continue because its very offtopic
[08:03] <jamey3> lol sure :)
[08:03] <scizho> xine plays vcd
[08:03] <scizho> :P
[08:03] <synthetic_> scizho, it says it must be run as root
[08:03] <Tsukasa> xine does my laundry
[08:03] <scizho> synthetic_ : yes, you got to sudo it
[08:04] <scizho> xine does nameless1 headache
[08:04] <Tsukasa> xine controls world economy
[08:04] <synthetic_> scizho, i don't know what that means
[08:04] <scizho> no no
[08:04] <scizho> microsoft does that
[08:04] <shane> um wheres fstab located?
[08:05] <Tsukasa> shane, /etc/fstab
[08:05] <scizho> ow..
[08:05] <shane> thanx
[08:05] <scizho> sudo = super user do
[08:05] <scizho> just like root
[08:05] <synthetic_> how do i do that?
[08:05] <scizho> but not permanent
[08:05] <nameless1> pgidz: version 1.01
[08:06] <shane> i have a windows drive that i used for storage and i placed it in my linuxbox
[08:06] <pgidz> nameless1 is it the xine version or just totem
[08:06] <scizho> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:06] <shane> it has an ntfs partition how do i make linux use it?
[08:06] <scizho> put in your password
[08:06] <nameless1> at the top it says "totem movie player"
[08:06] <synthetic_> thanks
[08:06] <Tsukasa> shane, add the following entry to your fstab:
[08:06] <shane> kk
[08:06] <james__> whats the command to run a .sh file?
[08:07] <pgidz> nameless1 try apt-get totem-xine and see if it loads that should play most movies
[08:07] <HappyFool> sh <filename>.sh
[08:07] <Tsukasa> </dev/id of drive> </mount path> ntfs rw,umask=222 0 0
[08:07] <james__> thxs :)
[08:07] <shane> and just to help it's on the secodary ide channel as slave to the cdrom
[08:07] <scizho> first it will detect your video card (automacticly) then in the end it will detect yoour mouse
[08:07] <shane> so what would that be hd0?
[08:07] <nameless1> ill try now, jksut a sec
[08:07] <Tsukasa> of the cdrom?
[08:07] <shane> yea
[08:07] <Tsukasa> you think that works out for writing?
[08:07] <shane> the cd rom is master and the drive is slave
[08:08] <shane> on ide channel 2
[08:08] <shane> and the mount path would be what?
[08:08] <Tsukasa> well, anything you want
[08:08] <shane> ok
[08:08] <Tsukasa> like /windows
[08:08] <mackid_> hello everyone
[08:09] <Tsukasa> or whatever, just make sure the directory exists
[08:09] <nameless1> i tried to do that apt get thing but it didnt work i think it might be something to do with the fact i downloaded the dvd version
[08:09] <shane> oh ok
[08:09] <scizho> /windows ?
[08:09] <shane> what do i do if theres more than one folder
[08:09] <shane> on the drive
[08:09] <pgidz> nameless1 can you go into synaptic and see what version you have loaded
[08:09] <Kvark> when I mark evolution for removal in synaptic, it says ubuntu-desktop will be removed too, can removing ubuntu-desktop lead to any problems?
[08:09] <scizho> bill gate will sue you
[08:10] <shane> and i'm still trying to figure out what the drive should be in fstab
[08:10] <shane> mr gastes can kiss my @$$
[08:10] <synthetic_> select a video card driver for the x server?
[08:10] <nameless1> i have xinetd installed
[08:10] <Tsukasa> oh, okay /windows(c)
[08:10] <synthetic_> what do i do there, schizho?
[08:10] <shane> like hdc is the primary
[08:10] <pgidz> nameless1 can you go into synaptic and see what version of totem you have loaded
[08:10] <shane> so hd0 should be that slave?
[08:10] <scizho> it usualy automatic
[08:10] <Kvark> synaptic says it's safe to remove ubuntu desktop but that it is reccomended to keep it, which is very contradicting and confusing
[08:11] <nameless1> oh
[08:11] <nameless1> 1:2.3.13-2
[08:11] <scizho> whatever your video card, it should be appear in it
[08:11] <pgidz> nameless1 does it just say totem
[08:11] <synthetic_> i'm actually not sure...it's something built into this laptop, which is old and i got only a few days ago
[08:11] <scizho> just pres enter if you sure that is your video card
[08:12] <scizho> ow..
[08:12] <cwillu> Kvark, is there a particular reason you want to remove it?
[08:12] <nameless1> totem + totem -gstreamer
[08:12] <scizho> lap top
[08:12] <nameless1> should i download the cd version and reinstall? is this all happening beucae i have the dvd version? lol
[08:12] <cwillu> never mind :p
[08:12] <pgidz> nameless1 not one with totme-xine
[08:12] <Kvark> yes, some evulotion components insist in keep taking up ram, which is pointless since i never use them
[08:12] <solar_ant> am back
[08:12] <solar_ant> any help ?
[08:12] <scizho> nameless1 : ffgstreamer for video codec and gstreamer-mad for sound codec
[08:12] <synthetic_> there's no lap top there, just a bunch of random ones for the x server driver
[08:12] <cwillu> might be a pain on major upgrades:  you'd have to reinstall desktop, then remove evolution and desktop again
[08:13] <synthetic_> >_>
[08:13] <nalioth> HappyFool: y'all get sorted?
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: no
[08:13] <cwillu> it's just there to automatically install/upgrade everything on a standard ubuntu
[08:13] <nameless1> pgidz did u get these things straight out of your distro beucase i think i need to get a new version of ubuntu this dvd version is fuked
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: it wanted to overwrite /lib/modules/<version>/modules.pcimap
[08:13] <HappyFool> nalioth: i decided it wasn't worth the risk
[08:13] <scizho> it usualy hilight the video card type
[08:13] <synthetic_> neogate?
[08:14] <synthetic_> err
[08:14] <synthetic_> magic
[08:14] <scizho> you can just proceed without need to select anything
[08:14] <synthetic_> that's what it first showed when it started
[08:14] <Kvark> cwillu: any way to make evulotion-data-server and evulotion-exchange sever stop loading themselves into ram?
[08:14] <Seveaz> Kvark, ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that facilitates easy upgrading. It is recommended to have it installed at least when you are upgrading to a new version of UBuntu
[08:14] <Seveaz> shane, are you trying to mount windows drives? <-- got disconnected, did you answer already?
[08:14] <scizho> than neogate it is
[08:14] <cwillu> are you sure its actually in ram and not just paged out?
[08:14] <scizho> i hope...
[08:14] <synthetic_> video card bus and stuff...can i just go through this as well?
[08:15] <scizho> yes
[08:15] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: system monitor says they take up a hefty amount of ram
[08:15] <nameless1> is the cd version different different to the dvd version *becuase the fact the cd has less stuff on it?* beucase i have the dvd version and it sounds different to what u guys ahve
[08:15] <scizho> if there no problem with display why fix it
[08:15] <synthetic_> should i use the kernel framebuffer?
[08:15] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: one is impossible to kill, the other always comes back a secound after being killed
[08:15] <Seveas> Kvark, they are using shared memory
[08:15] <pgidz> nameless1 yes but i'm running breezy so not sure if totem-xine is in hoary
[08:15] <Seveas> do NOT kill them...
[08:16] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: why not, an email client can hardly be critical
[08:16] <Seveas> totem-xone is in hoary
[08:16] <nameless1> whats breazy? a older version? or a beta version?
[08:16] <Seveas> Kvark, neither are part of the mail client...
[08:16] <jbroome> breezy = testing
[08:16] <cwillu> they're not, you can remove it and desktop with no immediate issues
[08:16] <cwillu> it only makes upgrading a bit trickier
[08:16] <pgidz> seveas can you let nameless know how to install it
[08:16] <cwillu> _but_
[08:16] <scizho> breezy = lots of wind
[08:16] <cwillu> don't look at the _vm_ size
[08:17] <ccc> nameless1: breezy = upcoming version 5.10
[08:17] <Seveas> aptitude install totem-xine
[08:17] <Seveas> (have universe enabled)
[08:17] <cwillu> only resident memory counts for what you're interested in
[08:17] <nameless1> ahhh :( lol
[08:17] <pgidz> nameless1 have you read what seveas just put
[08:17] <Seveas> doggie!
[08:17] <pgidz> nameless1 try that out and see if it works
[08:17] <scizho> nameless1 : have you try synaptic yet?
[08:17] <nameless1> just then
[08:18] <nameless1> yeh
[08:18] <Kvark> how do i look at only resident memory?
[08:18] <nameless1> i have used that
[08:18] <nameless1> i found out about synaptic before i knew about the apt thing
[08:18] <Seveas> Kvark, look at RES instead of VIRT in top
[08:18] <hondje> Howdy, Seveas :)
[08:18] <cwillu> just add it (view|preferences, or 'more info')
[08:18] <scizho> well it will do ypu most of the thing
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Seveas i have a question if a drive is a slave to hdc "cdrom0" what would it be?
[08:18] <cwillu> RSS
[08:18] <pgidz> nameless1 enable universe then aptitude install totem-xine
[08:18] <goldfish> !packages
[08:18] <ubotu> it has been said that packages is http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[08:18] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, hdd
[08:18] <hondje> hdd
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[08:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[08:18] <nameless1> enable universe?
[08:18] <cwillu> I've got 10megs showing for evo processes, with it open
[08:19] <Seveas> nameless1: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:19] <Seveas> nameless1: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:19] <nalioth> HappyFool: did you try to remove alsa-current, first?
[08:19] <Kvark> you mean RSS-memory?
[08:19] <sensayshun> Can anyone help me, I get this error message when trying to play Doom3, the installation went fine, but when I try to play it I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/383
[08:19] <nameless1> ill read up on that
[08:19] <cwillu> yes
[08:19] <nameless1> sry if i seem out of it, i have been awake for 3 days
[08:19] <nameless1> (almost 3 )
[08:19] <nameless1> lol
[08:19] <HappyFool> nalioth: no. but those files are part of linux-image, not alsa
[08:19] <cwillu> no :p
[08:19] <HappyFool> nalioth: the package consists of kernel modules
[08:20] <cwillu> although they're probably the same (and may actually be)
[08:20] <Seveas> Kvark, e-d-s uses 3kb of exclusive memory here....
[08:20] <Seveas> e-x-s 5 kb
[08:21] <terasurfer> Has anybody ever seen a Glib allocation error from rhythmbox?
[08:21] <cwillu> anybody know if there's a way to make an x session not go away if the network link drops?
[08:21] <nameless1> ahhh i just saw that repositarys thing, thanx i have a feeling that will solve my problem. (will try after i finished another update)
[08:21] <smt> not strictly ubuntu-specific but anyway: I don't use esd but most gnome applications try to connect to esd's 16001 port at startup. then they wait a couple of minutes for timeout and start after that. how can I configure gnome not to try to talk to esd?
[08:22] <Kvark> Seveas: not sure which one i'm supposed to look at in my swedish version
[08:22] <Seveas> Kvark, try: LC_ALL=C top | grep 'evo \| VIRT'
[08:22] <Kvark> Seveas: they take up 5.4MB and 8.9MB of "persistant memory"
[08:22] <Seveas> Kvark, try: LC_ALL=C top -b -n 1 | grep 'evo \| VIRT'
[08:23] <cwillu> I ssh into a few servers;  is there any way to reconnect/not lose an x session when I disconnect?
[08:23] <sensayshun> Can anyone help me, I get this error message when trying to play Doom3, the installation went fine, but when I try to play it I get this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/383
[08:23] <Seveas> cwillu, freenx can do that, it's a bit tricky to setup though...
[08:23] <cwillu> hmm
[08:24] <cwillu> don't really want that, unless it has rootless support on win32
[08:24] <ahluka> hey all
[08:24] <kenny> hi ahluka
[08:24] <cwillu> I was thinking about a proxy x server or something, but from what I've read, this is complicated or slow
[08:24] <unperson> I'm trying to mount a samba share on my system, but I can't get the permissions to work right.  I issued the command "sudo smbmount '\\SERVER\share' ~user/mntdir -o username=user uid=user gid=user", where "SERVER" stands for the server NetBIOS name, "share" stands for the share name, and "user" stands for the user name, which is the same on both the server and client.  The share mounts but with all files with root as the UID and GID
[08:24] <unperson> , not user.  What am I doing wrong?
[08:25] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: ah, well, guess I'll let them stay there and do whatever they do even though I never use them
[08:25] <Seveas> Kvark, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/384
[08:25] <mackid_> I'm booted from Gnoppix 1.0.. I was playing with my windows partition, and I resized it and now it won't boot - so how can I install grub or lilo in the MBR from this gnoppix CD so I can boot windows?
[08:25] <ahluka> im just gonna sit and watch a while; i'm new to ubuntu so i'm hopin to pick up some tips :)
[08:25] <Seveas> e-d-s is responsible for connecting your panel with the calendar
[08:25] <cwillu> I think you're missing a slash unperson
[08:25] <synthetic_> no dice, my usb mouse still isn't working
[08:26] <cwillu> again, you can uninstall them; it's just a matter of what packages are default in ubuntu
[08:26] <unperson> cwillu:  Am I?
[08:26] <cwillu> if you want a standard install, then don't remove ubuntu-desktop, or install it when you upgrade
[08:26] <Seveas> unperson, add umask=0000 to the options
[08:26] <cwillu> ~user?
[08:26] <scizho> what it says when it detect your mouse.....
[08:26] <cwillu> unless I'm missing something :p
[08:26] <cwillu> which I may well be
[08:26] <cyphase> Deep Impact Tonight - http://cyphase.homelinux.com/blog
[08:27] <scizho> coz i use dpkg when i change my vga
[08:27] <unperson> cwillu:  ~fred is expanded by the shell to the home directory of fred.
[08:27] <ahluka> Seveas, so what is umask for? i used it in fstab to mount my ntfs (XP) partition
[08:27] <cwillu> okay
[08:27] <cwillu> didn't know that
[08:27] <synthetic_> doesn't say anything...the little push nub on my laptop works, but the USB mouse doesn't work
[08:27] <thenuke> ahluka: 0002
[08:27] <Seveas> ahluka, to set the local permissions
[08:27] <ahluka> Seveas, i see
[08:27] <scizho> ow....
[08:27] <unperson> Seveas:  Ok, I'll try that.  I would think that would just much up the permission bit, though, not mess with the UID and GID.
[08:27] <thenuke> ahluka: hmm. 0002 ables users to access NTFS I mean :D
[08:27] <ahluka> thenuke, cheers :)
[08:28] <unperson> Seveas:  Or do you mean so I can read and write them even though they're owned by root?
[08:28] <Seveas> unperson, you can set uid=1000,gid=1000 in the options too :)
[08:28] <scizho> if that the case, it detect the nub thing you use...
[08:28] <scizho> i dont do laptop verymuch....
[08:28] <unperson> Seveas:  Ah, tried that, but no dice.  Same result.
[08:28] <scizho> maybe with the bios
[08:28] <synthetic_> gah.  how do i make it recognize the usb mouse?  this is so weird, warty got it with no problem
[08:29] <Seveas> synthetic_, weird suggestion: unplug and plug back in...
[08:29] <unperson> Seveas:  Er, same result is that it's still owned by root.
[08:29] <Kvark> cwillu, Seveas: thanks for explaining things, last question, if I ever feel like customizing everything, which distro is good for that?
[08:29] <Seveas> unperson, you need to unmount it first
[08:29] <cwillu> customizing as in?
[08:29] <synthetic_> seveas:  i did that, the mouse turns on, but doesn't work
[08:30] <cwillu> debian based are good in that it's easy to do alot without screwing stuff up
[08:30] <cwillu> i.e., ubuntu
[08:30] <Seveas> Kvark, kubuntu (KDE is featiurism exremus) or maybe gentoo if you want to customize to the complete painful extreme
[08:30] <scizho> what if you disable laptop mouse on the bios
[08:30] <scizho> :P
[08:30] <Kvark> as in specifing exactly which packages i want to have installed, exactly which ones should run, fiddle with config files a lot, experiment a bit with the source codes too
[08:30] <HappyFool> what about LFS for the real customizers? ;)
[08:30] <scizho> another wierd suggestion
[08:31] <cwillu> gentoo then, but only if you enjoy source-based pain :)
[08:31] <xXpinkyXx> hello all
[08:31] <Seveas> unperson, try http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/addsamba
[08:31] <unperson> Seveas:  Yes, I know.  I did umount it and remount with the different options.
[08:31] <Seveas> it's a script for adding samba shares to /etc/fstab
[08:31] <cwillu> you might still want to stick with ubuntu for a while
[08:31] <ahluka> cwillu, i'm a previous gentoo user, and i agree, it was a pain :)
[08:31] <cwillu> the config files are all still there
[08:31] <synthetic_> scizho, i'll try that
[08:31] <HappyFool> Kvark: how about this: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/   -- should keep you busy for a while ;)
[08:31] <cwillu> LOL!
[08:32] <cwillu> poor guy
[08:32] <Kvark> yeah, will definately wait a while before messing, probably until I got a spare computer to mess with
[08:32] <Seveas> HappyFool, that is just mean :)
[08:32] <cwillu> experiment with scrweing up your ubuntu then
[08:32] <cwillu> lol
[08:32] <nalioth> HappyFool: lfs roX0rs
[08:32] <jamey3> haha have fun with LFS bloody hell that requires a bit of willpower
[08:32] <nalioth> jamey3: nah, it roX0rs (esp if ya got an extra box)
[08:33] <cwillu> seriously, just uninstall the damn ubuntu-desktop
[08:33] <HappyFool> nalioth: i'm way too lazy for that ;)
[08:33] <jamey3> yeah I know... but it's not nice for a n00b
[08:33] <jamey3> cwillu, why lol
[08:33] <xXpinkyXx> how do I installa a GDM theme we'll where do I stick it
[08:33] <cwillu> kvark, ubuntu-desktop just depends on everything in standard install... making it fairly easy to get things make to normal
[08:34] <cwillu> you're not going to break anything by removing it
[08:34] <jamey3> cwillu, but the ubuntu-desktop package includes quite a few useful/semi-useful packages
[08:34] <nameless1> when in "nano" how do u save and quit? i assume its like vi, but that isnt workin for me
[08:34] <cwillu> and if you're wanting to explore the system, then a little pain at upgrade time (i.e., no worse than a xp sp2 upgrade) isn't so bad
[08:34] <nalioth> jamey3: in one aspect, yes its advanced, but then again, for a n00b who can follow instructions (and has an extra box), it's a valuable learning experience
[08:34] <jamey3> nameless1, Ctrl + O to save and then Ctrl + X to quit
[08:34] <nameless1> thanx
[08:35] <cwillu> and ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, isn't it?
[08:35] <Seveas> nameless1, look at the bottom of the terminal window :)
[08:35] <Kvark> cwillu: but ubuntu upgrades something like twice a week
[08:35] <cwillu> I'm not talking about a complete remove
[08:35] <nameless1> yeh didnt know that meant to hold control tho, do now
[08:35] <synthetic_> I have another problem - i'm trying to install the kernel source so I can work on getting this wireless up and running
[08:35] <jamey3> nalioth, I see... I got so far then said "fuck it, do it another day"... my willpower is about this much: >> <<
[08:35] <nalioth> jamey3: removing ubuntu-desktop will not remove any of your useful/semi-useful pkgs
[08:35] <cwillu> ubuntu-desktop would just get the new packages... the existing ones will still update
[08:35] <synthetic_> but when i do tar -xjf linux-source.2.6.10.tar.bz2 it lists a ton of files with "cannot open: no such file or directory"
[08:35] <jamey3> nameless1, no problem
[08:35] <jamey3> nalioth, what will it do?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: maybe you don't have write permissions there
[08:36] <DodGeR_X> q, i got an issue with update manager not finding 2 updates , says it wants to update them , but cant find em , is gimp (from abckports i think)
[08:36] <synthetic_> HappyFool should I sudo?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: try running that command as root (with sudo) or in your home directory
[08:36] <DodGeR_X> any ideas what to add or how to stop it from wanting to update those as it cant find them ?
[08:36] <HappyFool> synthetic_: what directory is that file in ?
[08:36] <synthetic_> happyfool, thanks, i'll try that
[08:36] <synthetic_> /usr/src
[08:36] <nalioth> as mentined by cwillu aboveabas mentioned by cwillu above
[08:36] <HappyFool> yeah, you'll need to be root for that
[08:37] <synthetic_> off topic:  anyone hear the new gorillaz album?
[08:37] <HappyFool> synthetic_: are you sure that compiling the kernel will help you? It is a non-trivial task
[08:37] <nalioth> jamey3: cwillu told you above what happeds removing ubuntu-desktop
[08:37] <synthetic_> happyfool, yeah, the atmel wlan driver needs it
[08:38] <HappyFool> synthetic_: ok. you've read the howto on the wiki?
[08:38] <HappyFool> !kernelcompile
[08:38] <ubotu> You will probably find info about this at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[08:38] <cwillu> Kvark;  ubuntu-desktop is an empty package that depends on whatever is in the standard install.  Dependencies aren't removed by default.  Most updates don't change anything the dependencies (which would have the effect of installing a new package, perhaps removing another package if marked as a conflict)
[08:38] <synthetic_> which howto?
[08:38] <synthetic_> thanks
[08:39] <cikilin> hello
[08:39] <snowman> hi
[08:39] <snowman> i have a newbie question
[08:39] <Kvark> cwillu: ah, ok
[08:39] <cikilin> how can i see 'pot.wotw.cd1.bin,'
[08:39] <snowman> why can't i log in as root?
[08:39] <cwillu> root is disabled by default
[08:39] <cwillu> use sudo <command>
[08:39] <lsuactiafner> bcus u b newb
[08:39] <nalioths_dog> snowman: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:40] <cwillu> or 'sudo bash' for a prompt (although there's more correct ways of doing that)
[08:40] <scizho> sudo -s -H
[08:40] <cwillu> thanks
[08:40] <scizho> it will give you root
[08:41] <cikilin> hello
[08:41] <eno> thanks for all your help folks, ttyl
[08:42] <synthetic_> now, perhaps while this is extracting i can figure out my sound problem
[08:42] <unperson> Ah ha, important point gleaned from ##linux: Options to smbmount are comma seperated.
[08:42] <synthetic_> i have no working sound
[08:42] <scizho> have anyone use diskless with ubuntu?
[08:42] <snowman> but why is root disabled by default
[08:43] <snowman> why
[08:43] <snowman> what is the resaon
[08:43] <scizho> snowman : security
[08:43] <snowman> this is confusing
[08:43] <synthetic_> snowman:  i'd assume to prevent people from h4x0ring your computer, in a matter of words
[08:43] <synthetic_> they can't do all these crazy things without your password
[08:43] <cwillu> snowman:  read the page quoted above
[08:43] <nalioth> scizho: what is diskless?
[08:43] <cwillu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:44] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:44] <scizho> old pc running with no hard disk with 1 server running all aplication
[08:45] <scizho> pentium classic will run at  the speed of pentium 4
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: ah
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: got a URL for that?
[08:45] <nalioth> scizho: sounds interesting
[08:45] <scizho> ltsp.org
[08:45] <scizho> or pxes
[08:46] <synthetic_> when i do make menuconfig i get an error
[08:46] <synthetic_> should i sudo for that too?
[08:46] <snowman> synthetic_: What you mean with h4x0ring?
[08:46] <synthetic_> snowman:  hacking
[08:46] <synthetic_> it's just security
[08:46] <nameless1> if can you guys just give me a idea about whats better? ubuntu or kubuntu i heared kde was better then gnome by the way not sure if its true
[08:47] <cikilin> hello
[08:47] <cwillu> ubuntu is the main stream development;  it's really a personal 'which do you like better' thing
[08:47] <nalioth> nameless1: do you like chevy or ford?
[08:47] <Blue_Summer> chevy
[08:47] <cikilin> how can i see a movie witch is a bin?
[08:47] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:47] <nalioth> nameless1: that is the answer to the question you just asked
[08:47] <scizho> why you choose ubuntu over mandrake...
[08:47] <synthetic_> when i do make menuconfig i got some line 11 + 12 gcc errors or something
[08:47] <nameless1> lol i dont like cars i like planes :P
[08:47] <scizho> it just a question of choices
[08:47] <cwillu> so, is chevy gnome or kde then :)
[08:48] <cikilin> and how i make an nrg to iso?
[08:48] <nalioth> nameless1: cessna or beech, boeing or douglas, each DM gets you the same place
[08:48] <neighborlee> scizho, yes and no  ubuntu has free components compared to mandrakes pay only..so there are legit differences
[08:48] <nameless1> seriously tho what one is more advanced "code" wise
[08:48] <snowman> Does anybody know how to configure my network device??
[08:48] <neighborlee> cikilin, youll have to purchase nero for linux
[08:48] <snowman> with ubuntu
[08:48] <scizho> ow
[08:48] <cikilin> ?
[08:48] <neighborlee> cikilin, or use windows if you already have it there
[08:48] <scizho> bad comparation
[08:48] <synthetic_> can anyone help me?  I'm unable to make menuconfig
[08:49] <cikilin> nero to linux?
[08:49] <neighborlee> there is nero for linux now yes
[08:49] <cwillu> nameless1, it's really and truly a preference thing
[08:49] <cikilin> nrg to iso?
[08:49] <cwillu> they're both under very active development
[08:49] <synthetic_> whois synthetic_
[08:49] <nameless1> yeh its a hard choice for me to pick between them thats why i was askin
[08:49] <nameless1> lol
[08:50] <cwillu> synthetic, what kinds of errors are you getting?
[08:50] <cwillu> do both
[08:50] <synthetic_> cwillu, it says...
[08:51] <scizho> that is the problem with linux
[08:51] <synthetic_> /usr/src/linux-source.2.6.10/scripts/gcc-version.sh:  line 11: command not found
[08:51] <synthetic_> then the same thing with line 12
[08:51] <scizho> first you have to chose distro, the desktop
[08:51] <scizho> first you have to chose distro, then desktop
[08:51] <neighborlee> nameless1, my goal is free and free..so I choose ubuntu which uses both in all its components out of the gate
[08:51] <cwillu> start with straight ubuntu, get somewhat comfortable, and then experiment
[08:51] <synthetic_> then HOstcc scripts/basic/fixdep
[08:51] <synthetic_> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found
[08:51] <nalioth> nameless1: you can have both (or more) on you system at the same time
[08:51] <neighborlee> scizho, yeah I agree too much choice isn't good when there are 100 choices!!
[08:52] <cwillu> do you have the dev tools installed?
[08:52] <neighborlee> synthetic_, apt-get install build-essentials
[08:52] <ccc> nameless1: gnome is great and has cleaner design.
[08:52] <nalioth> synthetic_: install "build-essential"
[08:52] <neighborlee> or is it non-plural sorry
[08:52] <synthetic_> where do i get that?  synaptic?
[08:52] <cwillu> yes
[08:52] <nameless1> yeh i think im gona stick with gnome at least for now, altho i dont like how the menus are more "empty" compared to kde, oh well
[08:52] <unperson> Follow-up question:  Is there a way to mount a samba share through gnome?  There's a "connect to server" option, but that just seems to put a link for browsing the share, not actually mount it.
[08:52] <cwillu> the missing gcc was the big one :)
[08:52] <cwillu> gcc being the compiler
[08:53] <unperson> The difference being that it want to either store your password or ask you for the passwd each time.
[08:53] <neighborlee> nameless1, heh you get used to it..then you prob. like the simplicity it offers ;))heh
[08:53] <cwillu> i.e., the thing that's actually doing the work as opposed to the paperwork
[08:53] <synthetic_> alright, build essential is downloading/installing
[08:53] <synthetic_> thank you
[08:53] <synthetic_> i'll get this wireless card working yet...
[08:53] <cwillu> good luck :p
[08:54] <cwillu> nameless1:  it's something you learn to appreciate
[08:55] <cwillu> there's something to be said for not giving 25 options when you usually only use 4-5
[08:55] <nalioth> cwillu: nameless1: i have no use for bloat, most of my puter stuff is done with the terminal
[08:55] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: I've installed steam using cedega, how do i open steam everytime i want to play it/open it
[08:56] <synthetic_> snowman, what do you want?
[08:56] <nameless1> yeah i guess, im new tho and dont know all the shortcuts to type in the konsole so kdes icons catch my attention but gnome... is nicer... lol
[08:56] <cwillu> I'm usually ssh'd into a couple boxes.. rootless x server is wonderful.
[08:56] <snowman> how can i configure my network device
[08:56] <nameless1> yeah i am gona get realy into php when i got this system setup so i need more then a terminal :P
[08:56] <nalioth> synthetic_: i find konsole to blow
[08:56] <snowman> because it was not detected with ifconfig
[08:56] <cwillu> but do you really know what half of them are?
[08:56] <synthetic_> nalioth:  huh?
[08:57] <nalioth> synthetic_: sorry, nick proximity error
[08:57] <synthetic_> np
[08:57] <scizho> what is your network device?
[08:57] <nalioth> nameless1: my opinion is konsole blows
[08:57] <snowman> i don't know
[08:58] <cwillu> brb
[08:58] <snowman> when you configure it during installation everything is ok
[08:58] <snowman> but when i say configure it not at that time
[08:58] <snowman> afterwards in gnome
[08:58] <snowman> ifconfig finds nothing
[08:58] <cwillu> does it show up in System | admin | networking?
[08:59] <synthetic_> it says i need ncurses-devel?
[08:59] <synthetic_> to do make menuconfig
[08:59] <LokeDK> I have a Logitech MX518 mouse.. how can I set the resolution to 1600 dpi? I used lmctl before.. with my MX518.. I can set it to 800 with "lmctl --800" .. but if I use --1600 it says root@wombat:/home/loke # lmctl --1600
[08:59] <LokeDK> lmctl: you must specify a command.
[08:59] <LokeDK> Use lmctl --help for usage information.
[08:59] <LokeDK> root@wombat:/home/loke #
[08:59] <cwillu> so....
[08:59] <nalioth> synthetic_: so install it
[08:59] <snowman> yes it showed up now
[08:59] <cwillu> synaptic install :)
[08:59] <`crimsun> synthetic_, yes, you need libncurses5-dev
[08:59] <synthetic_> apt-get libncurses5-dev ?
[08:59] <cwillu> -i
[08:59] <LokeDK> and it should exist.. lmctl --help says there's a       --1600                 Set matching devices to a resolution of 1600cpi
[08:59] <`crimsun> apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[09:00] <cwillu> snowman, are you good then?
[09:00] <snowman> but the problem is i will not show up if i say in debian installer do not configure card at that moment
[09:00] <Blue_Summer> once ive installed a program with cedega how do i open it up again?
[09:00] <snowman> no i am not
[09:00] <cwillu> because you told it not to configure
[09:00] <cwillu> :p
[09:00] <cwillu> ifconfig ethX up\
[09:00] <cwillu> bash
[09:00] <cwillu> bah
[09:00] <cwillu> ifconfig eth0 up
[09:00] <snowman> i start again:
[09:01] <snowman> ifconfig showed me the first time i installed it no eth0
[09:01] <HappyFool> LokeDK: maybe that's the option to a command. i don't have lmctl, so i don't know. read the --help more carefully
[09:01] <snowman> even no loopback device
[09:01] <snowman> nothing
[09:01] <snowman> there was ifconfig
[09:01] <snowman> ....
[09:01] <snowman> and then the linux prompt again
[09:02] <LokeDK> HappyFool, I have.. it's listed below the others.. like --800
[09:02] <snowman> because i said do not configure my network card at the time while i was running through debian installer
[09:02] <nameless1> YEAH finaly got some video going, but got no sound!
[09:02] <HappyFool> LokeDK: so does --800 work ?
[09:02] <nameless1> *YAY*!!!
[09:02] <HappyFool> snowman: no loopback is moderately weird
[09:02] <scizho> nameless1 : gstreamer-mad
[09:02] <LokeDK> HappyFool, yeah
[09:02] <snowman> now as I said yes configure my device with debian installer everything is ok now
[09:02] <snowman> but what was the problem?
[09:02] <HappyFool> LokeDK: ah. ok, in that case i'll stop guessing. sounds like a bug
[09:03] <scizho> it's the audio codec
[09:03] <cwillu> and 'ifconfig ethX up' didn't work?
[09:03] <`crimsun> (gstreamer0.8-mad)
[09:03] <LokeDK> HappyFool, Oh okay.. thanks anyways
[09:03] <DAWKIRST> hi ppl
[09:03] <cwillu> it would come up basically blank, but still come up
[09:04] <nameless1> Hey does anyone know what audio codec the VTC video tutorials use?
[09:04] <snowman> Another question
[09:04] <snowman> ?
[09:04] <scizho> not me
[09:04] <cwillu> shoot
[09:04] <DAWKIRST> ok...
[09:04] <snowman> How do I force synaptic to read my debian package
[09:04] <HappyFool> nameless1: does 'file <filename.whatever>' not tell you?
[09:05] <cwillu> dpkg -i <your package name>
[09:05] <DAWKIRST> I accidentally deleted my "start" panel...
[09:05] <HappyFool> nameless1: e.g., on my super-dodgy airwolf avis, i get this: Airwolf_S02E16.The_Truth_About_Holly.DivX.DVDRip-sInUs.ShareReactor.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 416 x 320, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 5, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
[09:05] <snowman> No I want to read the index files of debian with the grafical synaptic
[09:05] <cwillu> sudo dpkg -i <your package name> I should say
[09:05] <DAWKIRST> How do I get it back?
[09:05] <cwillu> make sure synaptic is closed
[09:05] <snowman> and he told me can't find index files
[09:05] <cwillu> (not a big deal, it'll just give an error)
[09:05] <nameless1> ahhh
[09:05] <cwillu> one sec
[09:05] <nameless1> cool didnt know that
[09:06] <cwillu> as in, the online repositories or a deb file?
[09:06] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: try right-clicking on some blank space on the bottom panel, and choose 'add panel'
[09:06] <scizho> DAWKIRST : right klik in the panel, click add to panel
[09:06] <snowman> I want to read in a whole CD Set not just a single package
[09:06] <scizho> add whatever thing you need
[09:06] <synthetic_> in my .config i need to change config_cardbus=y to config_cardbus=m
[09:06] <synthetic_> i deleted the y but i don't know how to add the m
[09:06] <cwillu> repositories, add, custom
[09:07] <cwillu> I'm not dead sure on the exact line though from there
[09:07] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know where to get more quotes for wanda the fish on my gnome toolbar?
[09:07] <cwillu> there's also a sources file (which is the actual back end), I think there's an example of the exact line for a cd, just uncomment and edit to suit
[09:07] <matt_> can someone help me get a mx 1000 working on ubuntu
[09:07] <cwillu> /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <HappyFool> snowman: you can also use apt-cdrom -- maybe read 'man apt-cdrom' for more
[09:08] <tuks> Does anybody know how I can add an Icon to the applications menu under graphics?
[09:08] <cwillu> I might have lied though
[09:09] <cwillu> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
[09:09] <cwillu> apt-cdrom
[09:09] <Teatimer> jamey3, hello again can I bug you a bit more :D
[09:09] <HappyFool> snowman: also, installing packages from debian may not be all that good an idea
[09:09] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool, scizho: my enire start panel is gone. Like where I can go into synaptic...
[09:10] <snowman> HappyFool: Why?
[09:10] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: right-click on empty space on the bottom panel, and choose 'New panel'
[09:10] <matt_> anyone have a working Logitech MX 1000 mouse in ubuntu
[09:10] <Teatimer> Can anyone here help me with executing a binary file (it has a blue diamond for an icon)
[09:10] <neighborlee> tuks, if you mean add your own app/icon then you just need that menu editor..check: ubuntuguide.org for 'menu'
[09:10] <cwillu> well, it's not supported... many will work just fine, others may not, and ubuntu has basically no control over it
[09:10] <_SWAT_> how can I make a keyboard shortcut for XMMS (next song), somehow xmms won't accept the shortcut... :/
[09:11] <HappyFool> snowman: because if libc gets upgraded, or something equally weird, your system may be completely broken
[09:11] <Blue_Summer> anyone know if i can get more quotes for wanda the fish in gnome?
[09:11] <cwillu> HappyFool, that would cause a conflict though, wouldn't it?
[09:11] <HappyFool> snowman: your system seems to already by a bit weird (no loopback interface)
[09:11] <nalioth> neighborlee: please do not recomend ubuntuguide
[09:12] <cwillu> I've typically only got dist wide issues after forcing past a conflict
[09:12] <matt_> How do I test opengl in gnome
[09:12] <neighborlee> nalioth, ?why..has something changed ?
[09:12] <nalioth> neighborlee: please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:12] <neighborlee> nalioth, ah ok..acknowledged
[09:12] <nalioth> neighborlee: that article is on the wiki
[09:12] <terasurfer> Does anybody know what might cause a GLib allocation error when launching rhythmbox?  It happens in gnome but not KDE
[09:13] <HappyFool> cwillu: i'm not sure
[09:13] <nalioth> tuks: see this URL https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo   and stay away from ubuntuguide
[09:13] <cwillu> snowman, what packages are you looking for?
[09:13] <Ghetek> i installed wine from cvs, how do i get rid of it now?
[09:13] <cwillu> you may be able to find them if you set synaptic to show disabled sources, and then enable the universe packages....  you're more likely to have some luck with those, although they're also unsupported
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: Yes, It is! So the first Contact with Ubuntu is very sad. I gave it a try and it dissapointed me
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: What distribution are you using
[09:14] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: thanks.
[09:14] <HappyFool> snowman: ubuntu
[09:14] <snowman> HappyFool: Do you like it?
[09:15] <HappyFool> snowman: indeed. so far feels better than fedora/redhat
[09:15] <snowman> HappyFool: I tried to install midnight commander. But Ubuntu comes without :(
[09:15] <snowman> HappyFool: What shell I do now
[09:15] <synthetic_> Gaaaaah i'm trying to build the atmel wlan drivers for my wireless NIC
[09:15] <tman_> How in the hell do you get Eclipse IDE to print in Linux?
[09:16] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: it's blank. Should I just add new panels, or is there a way to restore the defualt?
[09:16] <synthetic_> so i did make pcmcia buildonly=debug
[09:16] <synthetic_> but it's giving my errors
[09:16] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: unfortunately you'll need to add all the pieces yourself
[09:16] <synthetic_> *me
[09:16] <HappyFool> snowman: have you tried installing the 'mc' package?
[09:16] <neighborlee> nalioth yes...ok ic now i missed one line..the wiki is more useful as in less 'one line commands' and such..ok got it NMMM
[09:16] <nalioth> snowman: its called 'mc'
[09:16] <HappyFool> snowman: it's in the universe repository
[09:16] <synthetic_> *[all]  error 2
[09:17] <nalioths_dog> snowman: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:17] <nameless1> there are probably alot of programs for doin "code" in linux. I know some php and want to get even more into it so does anyone know the best program for writin php\mysql\html\css in ?
[09:17] <DAWKIRST> HappyFool: ty anyway.
[09:17] <drx> what do I do if i accidently removed all files in /usr/local/  is there a way to restore it ? if not I know what folders where in there can i somewhere install the programs again ? (Yeah i know this was really stupid but nothing i can do about that more than learn from it)
[09:17] <nalioths_dog> snowman: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:17] <HappyFool> DAWKIRST: you'll be able to do it that way?
[09:17] <Teatimer> Anyone here ever used Discreet Smoke?
[09:17] <nalioth> nameless1: quanta, bluefish, nvu
[09:17] <nalioth> nameless1: again, "Best" is relative
[09:17] <snowman> in my synaptic list is no mc package
[09:17] <nameless1> nalioth: thx
[09:18] <nalioth> snowman: nalioths_dog sent you some info above
[09:18] <nameless1> i meant best for "php" instead of "cpp" :P so its not relative this time lol
[09:18] <HappyFool> drx: you can google for 'linux undelete', but you're probably better off just reinstalling
[09:18] <tman_> Ok, got a question for ANYONE here.  Ready?
[09:18] <synthetic_> can someone help my out?
[09:18] <cwillu> snowman
[09:18] <snowman> HappyFool: There is no mc package
[09:18] <nalioth> drx: once you delete something in linux, it usually very gone
[09:19] <cwillu> settings, repository, settings
[09:19] <matt_> Can someone help me get my Mouse working in ubuntu
[09:19] <matt_> please
[09:19] <HappyFool> snowman: it's in universe. please read the links nalioth and nalioths_dog posted
[09:19] <nalioth> snowman: do you have the universe and multiverse repositories enabled?
[09:19] <drx> HappyFool: reinstall ubuntu completely ?
[09:19] <cwillu> turn on disabled repositories
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: no, reinstall whatever you put in /usr/local
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: oh, you mean the directory structure that's there?
[09:19] <nalioth> HappyFool: drx only /usr/local was wiped?
[09:19] <HappyFool> drx: i can ls -lR /usr/local and send the output to you, if you want
[09:20] <HappyFool> drx: it should be pretty empty on my machine
[09:20] <synthetic_> Can anyone please help me?
[09:20] <nalioth> HappyFool: that won't work, cuz /usr/local is different on each users puter
[09:20] <drx> HappyFool: I did a ls before deleting everything so i know what was in there
[09:20] <HappyFool> nalioth: surely only if stuff has been installed there ?
[09:20] <cwillu> what errors?
[09:20] <HappyFool> drx: ok, well, there you go ;)
[09:20] <nalioth> HappyFool: you're talkin to a user who has a FULL /usr/local/ tree
[09:20] <drx> HappyFool: but there are folders like 'lib' that i don't know what was in them
[09:21] <HappyFool> nalioth: and you're talking to one who has an empty /usr/local tree ;)
[09:21] <cwillu> synthetic_?
[09:21] <nalioth> HappyFool: to each their own, but each users /usr/local may be different
[09:21] <synthetic_> * all error 2
[09:21] <nalioth> HappyFool: and also, if there was nothing in his, the system won't be affected
[09:22] <synthetic_> make: *** [pcmf502r]  error 2
[09:22] <personal> hello
[09:22] <nalioth> drx: if you only wiped out /usr/local, you got a CHEAP learning experience
[09:22] <HappyFool> heh
[09:22] <arnaud> what was the way to define priorities between repositories ?
[09:22] <HappyFool> arnaud: pinning
[09:22] <HappyFool> arnaud: the wiki has a very brief pinning howto
[09:23] <cwillu> I think you're into something that is beyond this irc forum synthetic_
[09:23] <arnaud> HappyFool, thanks I'll have a look
[09:23] <synthetic_> >_>
[09:23] <cwillu> is there a guide that came with the drivers?
[09:23] <cwillu> where did you download them from?
[09:23] <nalioth> what is the URL for pastebin?
[09:23] <synthetic_> atmelwlandriver.sf.net
[09:23] <nalioth> duh
[09:23] <HappyFool> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[09:24] <grogoreo> hi
[09:24] <nalioth> synthetic_: go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl and paste your output there
[09:24] <synthetic_> thanks nalioth
[09:25] <grogoreo> I'm having a problem with my hard drive and am wondering if there are any disk drive tools. I'm running Ubuntu Live CD now, and the problem is that when I come to format the drive it just fails. I have tried doing it manually and using the defaults which works OK, just when it comes to physically formatting the drive there are problems.
[09:25] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:25] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what do you mean by 'physically formatting the drive' ?
[09:25] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what tool are you using ?
[09:26] <grogoreo> sorry, i mean the step after designating the partitions.
[09:26] <Strife> HappyFool: a hammer
[09:26] <grogoreo> HappyFool: physically, actually doing the designated partitions
[09:27] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i'm not quite following, but nm. what error do you get?
[09:27] <cwillu> synthetic_, I don't suppose you've got the kernel sources?
[09:27] <Teatimer> Can anyone here help me execute a binary?
[09:27] <Strife> HappyFool: he means formatting as opposed to partitioning
[09:27] <Strife> Teatimer: ./binaryname
[09:27] <Strife> :P
[09:27] <HappyFool> Strife: as in mkfs ?
[09:27] <Scorpinf> can someone help me out with rar
[09:27] <Strife> HappyFool: I think so
[09:28] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:28] <Scorpinf> im trying to split the files at a sertin size
[09:28] <grogoreo> the background goes Red and then says it cannot make the ext3 partition
[09:28] <Scorpinf> rar a -v[10k]  gt.rar *   doesn't work
[09:28] <nalioth> Teatimer: use "file filename.whatever" to find out what it is
[09:28] <synthetic_> i have the kernel sources, yes
[09:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: does it say anything else? that is not an especially useful error message
[09:29] <matt_> how do I kill a program
[09:29] <`crimsun> [synthetic_, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) to compile a kernel module]
[09:29] <grogoreo> HappyFool: sorry for the way I'm putting it, but when you install linux you say what partitions you want (so you are designating them and are not set in place unless formatted) and then after you've said what you want you properly make those partitons (format).
[09:29] <grogoreo> I know
[09:29] <cwillu> pkill -s 7 <processname>
[09:29] <synthetic_> i compiled the kernel i think
[09:29] <grogoreo> I think it may be a phsical (as in actual drive) problem
[09:29] <synthetic_> i extracted linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2
[09:30] <Scorpinf> got it working :)
[09:30] <Teatimer> nalioth thank you atleast that confirms its just a binary :D
[09:30] <grogoreo> as I've tried warty and that didnt work
[09:30] <Teatimer> Strife hey dude thanks seemed to get it going! but it is asking for libDlVI0api.so which I presume is a library dependency?
[09:30] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm. i guess you need a disk checking program
[09:30] <grogoreo> what I'm looking for is like a defrag tool or something, maybe just to clean it up
[09:30] <grogoreo> ue
[09:31] <grogoreo> ye
[09:31] <grogoreo> does Ubuntu come with one?
[09:31] <tman_> Did someone here have a mouse problem?
[09:31] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:31] <synthetic_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385 that's what i'm getting
[09:31] <nalioth> Teatimer: so do the ./binaryname thing from a terminal
[09:31] <synthetic_> tman, i'm having a mouse problem
[09:31] <nalioth> grogoreo: methinks you would ask about S.M.A.R.T tools to check the drives integrity
[09:31] <synthetic_> i have the little analog nub type of thing on my notebook but i have a usb optical mouse plugged in
[09:31] <tman_> Is it not being detected
[09:31] <Teatimer> nalioth I did that and is asking for a .so file
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i'm not really an expert on this, but i see a program called 'badblocks' on my system
[09:32] <synthetic_> warty found it right away, hoary isn't finding it
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: you say you have the live cd ?
[09:32] <synthetic_> nope, not detected
[09:32] <nalioth> Teatimer: what exactly are you tryin to install?
[09:32] <tman_> What kind of mouse?
[09:32] <cwillu> where did you put the kernel sources?
[09:32] <grogoreo> HappyFool: yes
[09:32] <teroedni> anybody know what coomand to use in a terminal when you are going to copy a file from a to b?
[09:32] <grogoreo> nalioth: do you know where i can get one
[09:32] <synthetic_> some random notebook optical mouse i got at compusa
[09:32] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, and the drive you want to install to is the only hard drive in the computer ?
[09:32] <cwillu> cp
[09:32] <cwillu> teroedni:  cp
[09:33] <grogoreo> HappyFool: yes
[09:33] <tman_> is it USB?
[09:33] <teroedni> :)
[09:33] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know how to get any moree quotes for wanda the fish?
[09:33] <synthetic_> nalioth, this is the output i get http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385
[09:33] <synthetic_> yes tman
[09:33] <nalioth> are there S.M.A.R.T tools on the liveCD?
[09:33] <grogoreo> i could always use APT
[09:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, my idea is to start a terminal, and run 'badblocks /dev/hda'
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: or maybe 'badblocks -v /dev/hda'
[09:34] <grogoreo> ok
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: afaict, that will not write to the disk
[09:34] <grogoreo> btw, its a SATA drive (would that matter)
[09:34] <grogoreo> so sda
[09:34] <thenuke> I suggest that you use -c option too
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: yeah, /dev/sda
[09:34] <HappyFool> thenuke: thanks
[09:34] <DAWKIRST> Does anyone know a good video editor?
[09:34] <HappyFool> grogoreo: you got that? 'badblocks -c /dev/sda'
[09:34] <thenuke> and specify a blocksize like umm.. hmm.. 64? 128? 256?
[09:35] <HappyFool> 64 is apparently the default
[09:35] <nalioth> grogoreo: if yer gonna apt anything, apt this "smartmontools"
[09:35] <thenuke> It will speedup the process a big time.
[09:35] <thenuke> HappyFool: ah ok.
[09:35] <Blue_Summer> if ive installed steam with cedega how do i open steam up again once ive say rebooted?
[09:36] <nalioth> DAWKIRST: cinepaint
[09:36] <HappyFool> from 'man badblocks':  if  you think youre smarter than the badblocks program, you almost certainly arent.'
[09:36] <DAWKIRST> nalioth: ty, I'll check it out.
[09:37] <arnaud> HappyFool, ok about pinning.  I want to have it right away from a cd like debian's 14 CD Packages. There is everything i need on it?
[09:37] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hmm, for some reason it says "badblocks: bad simultaneous block count - /dev/sda" and I've tried sda1 too
[09:38] <HappyFool> snowman: if you like debian, then use it ;)
[09:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: drop the -c, sorry
[09:38] <snowman> i like debian. but it does not come with gnome 2.10
[09:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: or try -c 128 or -c 256
[09:38] <HappyFool> snowman: then feel free to swear at people who are not paid to help you *shrug*
[09:38] <Blue_Summer> Anyone know on cedega how to change the reseloution of a program because it is too small?
[09:38] <snowman> HappyFool: I want to have the gnome 2.10
[09:38] <tman_> synthetic_:  In your Xorg.conf your mouse may need to be configured using /dev/psaux.  Is that the case?
[09:39] <synthetic_> tman_, i'm not sure...where do i look for that?  sorry, i've only been on linux for two days
[09:40] <tman_> are you in X (gui)?
[09:40] <matt_> anyway to get a Logitech MX 1000 laser mouse working in ubuntu
[09:40] <matt_> all the buttons
[09:40] <synthetic_> yes
[09:40] <Will__>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:40] <HappyFool> Blue_Summer: try asking in #cedega
[09:40] <grogoreo> HappyFool: argh, for some reason it says "badblocks: No such device or address while trying to determine device size"
[09:40] <grogoreo> HappyFool: but I can see it in the Device manager
[09:40] <HappyFool> grogoreo: no /dev/sda ?
[09:40] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm
[09:41] <grogoreo> but there are no partitions so does it matter?
[09:41] <matt_> ok
[09:41] <matt_> what do I do in there
[09:41] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i think you want /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1
[09:41] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[09:41] <grogoreo> HappyFool: tried both
[09:41] <klaym> how can I set gXine as my default mediaplayer ?
[09:42] <HappyFool> grogoreo: are you root? I'm not that familiar with the livecd
[09:42] <HappyFool> grogoreo: try maybe 'sudo badblocks /dev/sda'
[09:42] <grogoreo> im doing sudo
[09:42] <HappyFool> hrm
[09:42] <snowman> HappyFool: What other Distribution can you recommend me. It shall be like Debian but comes with latest graphical frontend?
[09:42] <grogoreo> HappyFool: I've tried to mount it (i know i cant) in GNOME it it says "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device"
[09:43] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, let's try this: 'sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null bs=1k count=1'
[09:43] <HappyFool> snowman: i'm not really a distro expert. doesn't debian have a 'testing' or 'unstable' branch or something with more up-to-date software?
[09:43] <synthetic_> tman_, i'm using x
[09:43] <digitalfox> how do I disable the clock updating?
[09:43] <digitalfox> at boot?
[09:43] <matt_> anyway to get a Logitech MX 1000 laser mouse working in ubuntu
[09:44] <HappyFool> grogoreo: that ought to read 1k of data from /dev/sda
[09:44] <snowman> HappyFool: They have a testing branche but not the latest software
[09:44] <grogoreo> HappyFool: dd: opening `/dev/sda': No such device or address
[09:44] <HappyFool> grogoreo: does 'sudo fdisk -l' list any /dev/sda partitions ?
[09:44] <nalioth> grogoreo: install the smartmontools and use them
[09:44] <tman_> synthetic_:  hit alt-F1, then navigate to the System Tools --> Terminal.  Select terminal
[09:44] <QMario> Is an Intel Pentium 4 Hyper-Threading Processor faster than an Inter Celeron D?
[09:45] <HappyFool> nalioth: can you install stuff when using the livecd ?
[09:45] <digitalfox> QMario, you can't even compare
[09:45] <tman_> oops, first I'd imagine you're in Gnome?
[09:45] <grogoreo> HappyFool: no
[09:45] <synthetic_> alright, i've got a terminal open
[09:45] <grogoreo> nalioth: going to try that now
[09:45] <digitalfox> QMario, very different designs
[09:45] <nalioth> HappyFool: yes, it installs into memory
[09:45] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what partitions does it list, if any?
[09:45] <HappyFool> nalioth: ok, cool
[09:45] <grogoreo> HappyFool: none
[09:45] <QMario> Oh okay.
[09:45] <HappyFool> erk
[09:45] <HappyFool> grogoreo: something is very screwy
[09:47] <nalioth> HappyFool: he needs to ask the s.m.a.r.t daemon a question
[09:47] <tman__> test
[09:47] <grogoreo> HappyFoo: this is why I'm thinking it is the actual drive. Even though I havent touched it (with my hand or dropped it) whiles firstly trying to install Ubuntu earlier on today I stopped it in the middle of loading the partitioner and/or in the middle of a partition
[09:47] <Efwis> snowman, try using the repo's for ubuntu and download it to debian
[09:47] <HappyFool> nalioth: what, like, will you take my soul in exchange for wales ?
[09:47] <zenlunatic> my sound skips anyone know why? it skips on many different things, ie intro audio and mp3.
[09:48] <synthetic_> wb tman
[09:48] <grogoreo> (side question what where can I get a list of warty repositories?)
[09:48] <nalioth> grogoreo: when you get smartmontools installed, run 'smartctl /dev/<drive ID>'
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: ubuntuguide
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: um maybe google it
[09:48] <tman__> synthetic:  are you there in nano yet?
[09:48] <zenlunatic> grogoreo: learn to learn
[09:48] <nalioth> zenlunatic: tsk tsk
[09:48] <madmavric> sounds like audio driver problems zen
[09:48] <synthetic_> tman__ yeah i'm in a terminal
[09:49] <nalioth> grogoreo: stay away from ubuntuguide
[09:49] <HappyFool> nalioth: if dd can't see it, you reckon smartmon will ?
[09:49] <nalioth> grogoreo: use wiki.ubuntu.com instead
[09:49] <grogoreo> nalioth: ok thanks
[09:49] <zenlunatic> nalioth: whats wrong with ug just wondering
[09:49] <nalioth> HappyFool: smartmontools uses the hardware S.M.A.R.T technology
[09:49] <baikonur> hi
[09:49] <snowman> HappyFool: The problem is if i download a package that i like with synaptic, it will not be available in that version or maybe never again, when i need it 4 years later?
[09:49] <tman__> type:  "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", without the quotes.
[09:49] <nalioth> zenlunatic: see #3, please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:50] <digitalfox> ah, but what about D.U.M.B.
[09:50] <HappyFool> snowman: i think i'm missing some context in this conversation
[09:50] <snowman> HappyFool: Or If i want to install it on several computers i have to download it over and over again
[09:50] <madmavric> the unofficial ubuntu users guide rocks
[09:50] <synthetic_> alright, i'm there
[09:50] <baikonur> I have package (xfld-desktop) that wants to upgrade itself ever again, when I run apt-get upgrade. What can I do to remove from apt-get upgrade manually, because it is updated
[09:50] <snowman> HappyFool: The context is installaing with synaptic and universe
[09:50] <nalioth> madmavric: see #3, please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[09:51] <topyli> snowman: you can make CDs or a LAN repository. the packages are archived in /var
[09:51] <tman__> arrow down to the section, "InputDevices"  under Core Pointer's InputDevices section.
[09:51] <snowman> HappyFool: What i want to say that this kind of installation medthod is a bad habbit
[09:51] <synthetic_> there's nothing there
[09:51] <madmavric> ubuntu guide still rocks
[09:51] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i see. what about the forums?
[09:52] <HappyFool> snowman: evidently your requirements are not met by ubuntu or debian. Have you looked at other distributions?
[09:52] <snowman> HappyFool: It's Like Microsofts Online or Java Web start feature
[09:52] <nalioth> zenlunatic: the forums are self-correcting
[09:52] <madmavric> everything i did on ubuntu that i got from ubuntu guide worked fine
[09:52] <zenlunatic> madmavric: not me
[09:52] <nalioth> madmavric: and i wish you long and happy usage
[09:52] <synthetic_> i know what i did
[09:52] <snowman> HappyFool: I don't know what other distributions I shall look to
[09:52] <synthetic_> case sensitive
[09:52] <zenlunatic> madmavric: the powerpc guide is broken in the repository section
[09:52] <madmavric> everythings running great here
[09:52] <synthetic_> one sec
[09:53] <nalioth> use of the ubuntuguide for lots of users leads them here with broken systems
[09:53] <zenlunatic> madmavric: they advise you to use packages on some random server
[09:53] <nalioth> snowman: mandriva
[09:53] <tman__> What do you mean there's nothing there?   I've found the universe but cant remember what else, main?
[09:54] <snowman> nalioth: I think i will try linux from scratch
[09:54] <madmavric> its debian based, commercial with a free open circ edition
[09:54] <grogoreo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main
[09:54] <nalioths_dog> grogoreo: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:54] <synthetic_> snowman:  good call
[09:55] <nalioths_dog> grogoreo: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:55] <zenlunatic> snowman: why would you want to use linux from scratch?
[09:55] <HappyFool> nalioth: bear in mind he seems to be using warty
[09:55] <grogoreo> nalioths_dog: n1 thanks
[09:55] <Teatimer> I like ubuntu...BUT my radeon creeps along, WIFI wont work, and I still can't get some software to run
[09:55] <nalioth> grogoreo: you are using a warty liveCD?
[09:55] <grogoreo> ye
[09:55] <grogoreo> so I'll change it to warty
[09:55] <grogoreo> not hoary
[09:55] <synthetic_> alright tman__ i'm in xorg.conf
[09:56] <nalioth> grogoreo: thats the ticket
[09:56] <zenlunatic> snowman: other than to learn linux from scratch is useless. also what you can learn on lfs you can learn on ubuntu.
[09:56] <Amaranth> you're forced to learn it with lfs
[09:56] <tman__> cursor down to the section InputDevices
[09:56] <Amaranth> gentoo is lfs with a package manager ;)
[09:56] <zenlunatic> snowman: gnu/linux is gnu/linux
[09:56] <madmavric> ubuntu isnt bad for learning , theres tons of websites with instructions out there, like www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:56] <zenlunatic> Amaranth: good for gentoo
[09:56] <snowman> zenlunatic: What you mean? I think i did not got you right
[09:56] <nalioth> lfs will give him complete and utter control over his linux environment.
[09:57] <nalioth> madmavric: please dont advise that
[09:57] <zenlunatic> snowman: just read the man pages and you'll learn
[09:57] <madmavric> i always advise to people the things that have worked for me
[09:57] <zenlunatic> snowman: also im just saying that all gnu/linux distros are bascially the same
[09:58] <madmavric> ive come in here looking for answers to things like enabling root login under gnome and gotten no answers, my advise is ubuntuguide is the place to go for answers
[09:58] <snowman> zenlunatic: What i don't like is that ubuntu comes with absolute no software
[09:58] <synthetic_> okay, i'm there, tman__
[09:58] <madmavric> advice
[09:58] <nalioth> snowman: software is easily obtained
[09:58] <zenlunatic> snowman: um what software do you need thats not there?
[09:58] <zenlunatic> snowman: just compile it yourself
[09:59] <snowman> zenlunatic: I have to download me everything over the respository.
[09:59] <topyli> madmavric: to get correct information about such things, refer to the wiki
[09:59] <zenlunatic> snowman: compile it yourself is what you'd be doing on lfs
[09:59] <snowman> zenlunatic: i know
[09:59] <zenlunatic> snowman: um thats how you i nstall software. you download it.
[09:59] <tman__> Under Identifier and driver, for Mouse1 what do you have for Option "Device"?
[09:59] <madmavric> whats the link for wiki?
[09:59] <zenlunatic> madmavric: um google it
[10:00] <Cascade> anybody using ubuntu with acpi on a T23?
[10:00] <HappyFool> madmavric: wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <synthetic_> /dev/input/mice
[10:00] <snowman> zenlunatic: yes but for example to download everything over a respository. That is not as high available as a cd rom in your pocket
[10:00] <mbirkis> how do i fix back my grub in ubuntu? i just installed win xp, and it removed my grub
[10:00] <madmavric> how come wiki hasnt updated its web certificates lol
[10:00] <Efwis> snowman, that was done by ubunutu for a reason, when ubuntu did what Debian does, it crashed there ssytem because it was all cutting edge programs
[10:00] <snowman> zenlunatic: isn't it i want everything on cdrom an can choose quickly
[10:01] <pgidz> snowman the cd goes out of date and the repos are kept upto date
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: so *download* 15 rpm distro cds and then have everything in your pocket
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: your logic is flawed
[10:01] <madmavric> unable to verify wiki.ubuntu as a trusted site, hmmmmm
[10:01] <zenlunatic> snowman: if your on dial-up i would say use debian and buy the cds of stable
[10:01] <tman__> you might want to try changing to "/dev/psaux".  When you do this.  Wait for my instruction so if something goes bad...
[10:01] <synthetic_> okay
[10:01] <HappyFool> madmavric: yeah. the irony of shuttleworth not having website certificates correctly setup is quite rich ;)
[10:02] <tman__> Then you have clear instructions on how to change back.
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: this is what i am saying (I have dial up)
[10:02] <zenlunatic> snowman: so read what i said and do it
[10:02] <synthetic_> also, can anyone help me with my wireless nic trouble?  when i try building the atmelwlandrivers i get an error
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: but in stable is not gnome 2.10 included
[10:02] <zenlunatic> snowman: nope
[10:02] <synthetic_> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/385
[10:02] <snowman> zenlunatic: this is my problem
[10:02] <zenlunatic> nalioth: does sound skip for you on ibook/hoary?
[10:03] <madmavric> wiki looks to be the official party line page, all users will only use ubuntu the way we want them too lol
[10:03] <topyli> snowman: no way keeping on the bleeding edge without the net. you'd have to buy new cds every week
[10:03] <nalioth> zenlunatic: not at all
[10:03] <tman__> In case your X server do not restart:  Copy these instructions into a text editor, print them off so you can have them in case you cannot reconnect to the X server.
[10:03] <zenlunatic> snowman: well use an older gnome. gnome 2.10 is not amazingly better
[10:03] <madmavric> comrade ubuntu users hahaha
[10:03] <HappyFool> madmavric: you are aware that a wiki is user-edited?
[10:03] <topyli> snowman: that's what stable distributions are for
[10:03] <zenlunatic> nalioth: mine does and i can't figure out why
[10:03] <WeirdAl> Hello :o
[10:04] <Efwis> snowman, not all distros will be packaged like debian, and as stated already, the disks will go out of date, but he repos will remain updated
[10:04] <nalioth> zenlunatic: been to the wiki?
[10:04] <zenlunatic> snowman: what is your obsession with running the newest softwrae?
[10:04] <grogoreo> sorry for dragging my problems on, but I've tried to add the new repositories but it wont work. The synamptic says they dont exist and apt-get says Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages [483kB]
[10:04] <grogoreo> E: Method http has died unexpectedly!
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: um no i actually didn't even know there was a wiki
[10:04] <nalioth> zenlunatic: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: until today
[10:04] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm
[10:04] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i have been to ubuntu site once for iso download and that is all
[10:05] <HappyFool> grogoreo: maybe try apt-get update again ?
[10:05] <zenlunatic> nalioth: i haven't realy had to troubleshoot anything
[10:05] <synthetic_> this is so confusing :O i just want my mouse/sound/wireless to work but i've been struggling for two days
[10:05] <snowman> zenlunatic: I want to have a real nice looking desktop with all features, the newest thing, but a stable reliable linux under it
[10:05] <WeirdAl> I set up a shared folder using the GUI in System>Administration>Shared Folders. Then I went into Windows and went to \\Eddie\Shared and it asked me for a username and password.
[10:05] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hmm, nope!
[10:05] <WeirdAl> What username and password is that, then?
[10:05] <Efwis> snowman, you already have that with ubuntu
[10:05] <zenlunatic> snowman: um, define "nice looking" and what features are you exactly looking for?
[10:05] <madmavric> zen thought you were having audio problems?
[10:05] <WeirdAl> By "went into Windows" I mean on the other PC
[10:05] <grogoreo> HappyFool: HTTP must be working was I wouldnt be able to speak to you
[10:06] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i get occasional.. ah. hiccups with the repostories. usually re-updating (or re-reloading in synaptic) fixes it
[10:06] <nalioth> WeirdAl: try your useless windows user/pass
[10:06] <snowman> zenlunatic: I want bleeding edge
[10:07] <WeirdAl> nalioth, I don't have one.
[10:07] <zenlunatic> snowman: well bleeding edge isn't distributed via cd
[10:07] <snowman> zenlunatic: Like Gnome 2.10 or KDE 3.4
[10:07] <WeirdAl> nalioth, Actually... you might be onto something there. just a sec
[10:07] <tman__> synthetic:  You didn't mention anything about sound and wireless.  This may be something with either you installation or kernel.
[10:07] <snowman> zenlunatic: It is look at SuSE
[10:07] <nalioth> snowman: bleeding edge is updated DAILY on the web
[10:07] <grogoreo> HappyFool: tried again and nothing! "Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:07] <zenlunatic> snowman: i would advise you to get over this bleeding edge obsession because its stupid
[10:07] <mbirkis> how do i fix back my grub in ubuntu? i just installed win xp, and it removed my grub
[10:08] <zenlunatic> snowman: i used debian woody for years on dialup
[10:08] <HappyFool> nalioth: are you sure apt works on the live cd ?
[10:08] <Teatimer> can anyone help me track down a dependency?
[10:08] <zenlunatic> snowman: otherwise i would say get cable
[10:08] <snowman> zenlunatic: So what you telling me it is not possible to get a nice looking desktop
[10:09] <madmavric> gnome is a decent looking desktop
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: on a warty liveCD i can only guess
[10:09] <zenlunatic> snowman: no im telling you to define "nice looking desktop"
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: is there a site on the web to d/l debs?
[10:09] <pgidz> snowman i have a nice oak desktop but they say veech is nice
[10:09] <scizho> snowman : are you chhose juat to sit there and watch your desktop?
[10:09] <HappyFool> nalioth: he can get it straight from archive.ubuntu.com, or packages.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <nalioth> HappyFool: for smartmontools to point grogoreo to?
[10:09] <snowman> zenlunatic: Gnome 2.10 or KDE 3.4 this is nice looking
[10:09] <grogoreo> I'll just try and find a package with smarttools in
[10:09] <zenlunatic> snowman: gnome 2.6 and gnome 2.10 are the same look
[10:09] <Teatimer> The nice looking desktop? some people like big boobs, some like small boobs. Nice is different to different people
[10:09] <nalioth> grogoreo: smartmontools is the pkg name
[10:09] <djp> does anyone know if it is possible to limit the jerkiness of theora decoding in totem
[10:09] <HappyFool> grogoreo: go to packages.ubuntu.com, search for smartmontols in warty
[10:10] <zenlunatic> Teatimer: exactly
[10:10] <nalioth> Teatimer: :P
[10:10] <Teatimer> BOOBIES!
[10:10] <snowman> zenlunatic: Ok
[10:10] <snowman> zenlunatic: Another question:
[10:10] <zenlunatic> snowman: minor version numbers hardly change looks
[10:10] <HappyFool> grogoreo: here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/warty/utils/smartmontools
[10:11] <HappyFool> grogoreo: no dependencies (well, libc6 hardly counts)
[10:11] <WeirdAl> haro hans brix
[10:11] <snowman> zenlunatic: but they change performance
[10:11] <WeirdAl> crap, sorry, wrong channel :)
[10:11] <snowman> zenlunatic: great performance increase from KDE 3.2 to 3.4
[10:11] <WeirdAl> nalioth, that didn't do anything.
[10:11] <HappyFool> grogoreo: there's a i386 download link on that page. you can then use 'dpkg -i' to install the .deb file you download
[10:11] <nalioth> grogoreo: you should be able to install the pkg easily
[10:11] <grogoreo> thanks nalioth and HappyFools: downloading now
[10:11] <zenlunatic> snowman: um please substantiate those claims
[10:11] <WeirdAl> it just gave me the user/pass box again
[10:11] <nalioth> grogoreo: come back here for usage inst
[10:12] <zenlunatic> snowman: did you read the code? how do you know its a performance increase?
[10:12] <comadreja> I'm trying to add some info to the wiki about my laptop config, but I can't find the register page... where is it ?
[10:12] <WeirdAl> nalioth, I might as well just get Linux to see the Windows partition instead.
[10:12] <nalioth> comadreja: should be at the top
[10:12] <nalioth> comadreja: next to "login"
[10:13] <WeirdAl> thanks anyway
[10:13] <nalioth> WeirdAl: is it on the same HD? or a different box?
[10:13] <snowman> zenlunatic: I dont read the code, but it fells to be quciker. And a lot of people saying this as well
[10:13] <scizho> performance increase usualy means eats more memory...
[10:13] <scizho> :P
[10:13] <WeirdAl> Different box, but I know how to do that.
[10:13] <WeirdAl> :-)
[10:13] <halfino> good evening i'm italian and i've a question ... how i change gdm theme
[10:13] <HappyFool> comadreja: or just click on login. there's a 'First time' section there
[10:13] <zenlunatic> snowman: well "feels to be quicker" isn't some I'm willing to discuss
[10:13] <nalioth> WeirdAl: then make it so
[10:13] <Ghetek> how do i get the IP address of a windows computer on my network?
[10:13] <WeirdAl> Will do. Ciao :)
[10:13] <comadreja> nalioth : there's nothing next to login :/
[10:13] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: ipconfig
[10:13] <snowman> zenlunatic: i don't wanted it to be discussed
[10:13] <madmavric> think i prefer x-chat to gaim
[10:14] <synthetic_> can somebody please help me, i'm at my absolute wits end here
[10:14] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: from my linux machine
[10:14] <snowman> zenlunatic: However I have another question:
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: um check your router
[10:14] <HappyFool> comadreja: um, maybe i'm wrong there
[10:14] <Teatimer> umm what is the command for copy?
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: what kind of topology do you have?
[10:14] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: it doesnt have the attached devices thing
[10:14] <nalioth> Teatimer: from a terminal "cp"
[10:14] <primos> i
[10:14] <grogoreo> I think it's installed but says "Not starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon smartd, disabled via /etc/default/smartmontools"
[10:14] <Ghetek> all computers connected to router
[10:14] <zenlunatic> Ghetek: one sec
[10:15] <Ghetek> zenlunatic: k
[10:15] <Teatimer> nalioth hehe thank you
[10:15] <snowman> zenlunatic: KDE is not bad and gnome is not bad either, but why doesn't Linux have a desktop like Apple
[10:15] <synthetic_> i upgraded to hoary and found even more problems
[10:15] <nalioth> grogoreo: thats fine
[10:15] <synthetic_> in addition to the wireless nIC not working and the lack of sound, my mouse doesn't work now
[10:15] <madmavric> whorey works good for me
[10:15] <siorfin> what's so great about apple desktop
[10:15] <grogoreo> nalioth: what was the command again please, as its now gone off IRC
[10:15] <djp> does anybody use totem here to playbakc ogg theora vids?
[10:15] <nalioth> grogoreo: open a terminal and type "smartctl /dev/<HD name>
[10:15] <Teatimer> nalioth this damn library is a bith
[10:16] <Teatimer> bitch^ even
[10:16] <snowman> zenlunatic: Why do we have desktop thats only good for opening a shell and playing a little bit with gimp
[10:16] <zenlunatic> snowman: i have nothing to say
[10:16] <jtan325> HappyFool, comadreja: were you guys able to get the dvd working in xine?
[10:16] <madmavric> djp i use xmms old faithful
[10:16] <HappyFool> jtan325: i think comadreja compiled mplayer in the end
[10:16] <comadreja> jtan325 : nopes in xine, I had to recompile mplayer
[10:16] <Cascade> who needs a mouse?
[10:16] <synthetic_> me
[10:16] <djp> madmavric: is theora playback jerky?
[10:16] <jtan325> ugh
[10:16] <comadreja> jtan325 : regarding the sound I found a solution
[10:16] <Teatimer> I want to give openmosaic a spin as it came with Maya
[10:16] <nalioth> comadreja: here ya go try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrontPage?action=subscribe
[10:16] <snowman> zenlunatic: so you agree with me that this desktop is realy cool
[10:16] <madmavric> your talking video? sorry
[10:17] <comadreja> thanks nalioth, where was it ?
[10:17] <zip_> How to i make special characters like an accented E and the U in Uber?
[10:17] <snowman> zenlunatic: and better than gnome
[10:17] <zip_> without using the character map
[10:17] <zip_> i'm looking for key-combos here =p
[10:17] <djp> madmavric: yes. ogg theora.
[10:17] <zenlunatic> snowman: i have nothing to say
[10:17] <grogoreo> Smartctl open device: /dev/sda failed: No such device or address
[10:17] <nalioth> comadreja: right in front of us
[10:17] <madmavric> for video i use vlc player, which supports every codec ive tried
[10:17] <zenlunatic> snowman: do you have any real questions because i have stuff to do honestly
[10:17] <snowman> zenlunatic: no go ahead
[10:17] <Teatimer> I NEED A LIBRARY! and google can't find it!
[10:18] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what does 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' say ?
[10:18] <grogoreo> I have something called hde but dont know if this relates but displays nothing with smartctl
[10:18] <comadreja> nalioth : nopes, I can't subscribe
[10:18] <synthetic_> i have a generic usb optical mouse that hoary isn't recognizing
[10:18] <synthetic_> warty picked it up
[10:18] <mbirkis> how can i fix grub?
[10:18] <synthetic_> hoary isn't seeing it
[10:18] <grogoreo> HappyFool, nothing!
[10:18] <djp> madmavric: totem is fine in terms of supported codecs. i only want to use .goo, .ogg theora. it is just that playback of ogg theora is jerky.
[10:18] <HappyFool> grogoreo: afaik sata devices appear under scsi in linux. i may be wrong
[10:19] <HappyFool> grogoreo: what do you see in /proc/ide ?
[10:19] <mbirkis> HappyFool: you are correct
[10:19] <HappyFool> grogoreo: that's a directory, not a file
[10:19] <madmavric> i see, well no experience with ogg theora sorry
[10:19] <psychonate> Haven't tried ogg theora yet. How is it?
[10:19] <marc__> Hi all
[10:19] <HappyFool> mbirkis: there's something called update-grub which might help you -- depends how you broke it, i guess
[10:19] <comadreja> nalioth : it directs me to the UserPreferences page
[10:19] <psychonate> I prefer to use dvd::rip when possible, so if I can encode theora from there, I may try it.
[10:20] <synthetic_> Does anyone know anything about mice, wireless Nics, or sound?  because none of those work
[10:20] <nalioth> comadreja: i'm not sure where to sign up then
[10:20] <marc__> wow lots of people in here
[10:20] <mbirkis> HappyFool: ok... where do i use update-grub? as an boot option from the cd?
[10:20] <grogoreo> HappyFool: hdc, hdd, hde, ide1, ide2 which are folders and files drivers and via
[10:20] <madmavric> billions and billions
[10:20] <HappyFool> comadreja: how about this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/join_form ?
[10:20] <JDahl> HappyFool, With something as recent as Ubuntu, sata definitely appears as scsi
[10:20] <jtan325> comadreja, mind sharing what your solution was?
[10:20] <nalioth> comadreja: hang on
[10:20] <Sophistication> marc__, "I see linux users"
[10:20] <ompaul> synthetic_, what kind of nics, mice, and sound ?
[10:20] <djp> psychonate: well, strange thing is, i have encoded some .avi files into .ogg theora format and they playback well. however the avi files have no sound. ogg theora files i have downloaded which do include sound playback with jerky moments in totem-gstreamer
[10:20] <jtan325> comadreja, (about fixing the sound)
[10:20] <marc__> heh
[10:20] <HappyFool> grogoreo: how many drives do you have in the machine ?
[10:20] <Teatimer> I can't get my wireless NIC to work, ndiswrapper says the hardware and the driver are present. But I doi
[10:20] <madmavric> bill gates nightmare? I see linux users
[10:21] <HappyFool> mbirkis: no, a shell command
[10:21] <marc__> I saw Billgates yesterday
[10:21] <grogoreo> one SATA drive and two CD drives
[10:21] <psychonate> djp, ew, theora in an AVI container?
[10:21] <ompaul> madmavric, no that is his reality
[10:21] <psychonate> djp, why not use ogg or matroska?
[10:21] <mbirkis> HappyFool: but i can't reach my shell... my grub is broken, and i cannot boot...
[10:21] <HappyFool> grogoreo: so it seems likely that /dev/hde is your sata ?
[10:21] <HappyFool> mbirkis: ah
[10:21] <Teatimer> But I don't know how to tell ubuntu to USE my wireless nic
[10:21] <pmfp> is it possible to use dd or ddrescue on libusb devices?
[10:21] <synthetic_> ompaul:  a wireless pcmcia nic that i have the driver for but it won't build, a usb optical mouse that hoary won't recognize even though warty did, and as for sound...i'm not sure, integrated sound in my ibm thinkpad
[10:21] <comadreja> jtan325 : basically, installing libesd-alsa0, and enabling mixing through asound.conf
[10:21] <marc__> He was at live8 talking about third world debt, and how it should be cancelled.. I was standing there thinking MS could probably cancel it on their own
[10:21] <nalioth> grogoreo: its not gonna hurt to run smartctl on all your drives
[10:22] <grogoreo> nalioth: ok, will try
[10:22] <madmavric> billy gates is a swell guy
[10:22] <psychonate> djp, matroska has less overhead than AVI and ogg, and has plenty of nice features
[10:22] <pgidz> if the debt is cancelled they can then afford to but MS windows
[10:22] <HappyFool> JDahl: i'm too stone-age to know much about sata ;)
[10:22] <grogoreo> nalioth, it just says the copyright and site
[10:22] <Seveas>  /kick madmavric please stop badmouthing :)
[10:22] <djp> psychonate: i have a camera that records avi video without sound. i convert the avi file into an ogg theora file using gst-launch from the command line
[10:22] <marc__> Anyone got any ideas on an Xkb error I get after installing the latest ATI drivers?
[10:22] <QMario> How do I get a server type of computer to recognize an Ethernet connection?
[10:23] <madmavric> enable dhcp
[10:23] <HappyFool> grogoreo: how about 'badblocks /dev/hde' ? (to get back to the original idea)
[10:23] <nalioth> grogoreo: use "sudo smartctl /dev/<drive>"
[10:23] <QMario> How do I do that in a terminal?
[10:23] <nalioth> HappyFool: hang on a minim
[10:23] <HappyFool> grogoreo: ok, try smartctl first ;)
[10:23] <psychonate> djp, I see. It's very easy to switch the contents to another container, but you don't really need to.
[10:23] <HappyFool> nalioth: sorry...
[10:23] <mbirkis> is there any way to use the ubuntu install cd to fix the grub?
[10:24] <QMario> Madmavric?
[10:24] <highvoltage> QMario: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-server ; man dhcpd.conf
[10:24] <marc__> fix grub?
[10:24] <marc__> whats wrong with grub?
[10:24] <nalioth> HappyFool: this will tell us the hardware status of the drive
[10:24] <djp> i just would like to know if anyone else has had issues with jerky playback of ogg theora files in totem?
[10:24] <ompaul> synthetic_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9887.html that talks about the mouse
[10:24] <nalioth> HappyFool: do you have smartmontools? you might be interested in what YOU find
[10:24] <psychonate> djp, do they play back nicely in any other players?
[10:24] <grogoreo> ooo, its pending! maybe its working!
[10:24] <pedingto> I think I've lost my mind, in mysql, to set a field as not null, you'd just do, for example.  "id int unsigned not null auto_increment primary key," right?
[10:24] <HappyFool> nalioth: nah, ignorance is bliss ;-)
[10:25] <Seveas> HappyFool, take the red pill :)
[10:25] <grogoreo> well does a whole load of numbers mean its working?
[10:25] <HappyFool> Seveas: three times daily
[10:25] <HappyFool> mbirkis: it should be doable
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: what happens when you boot ?
[10:26] <mbirkis> HappyFool: without cd?
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: yeah
[10:26] <mbirkis> 1sec
[10:26] <HappyFool> or, how have you broken it ? ;)
[10:26] <djp> psychonate: i'm really not sure as i have only totem installed. i want to stick with it. i gather it may be a gstreamer-plugins issue. the version in hoary is 0.8.8. the latest version is 0.8.10
[10:26] <mbirkis> HappyFool: i broke it when i was installing windows xp
[10:26] <HappyFool> mbirkis: ah-ha
[10:27] <ompaul> synthetic_, wrt the nic you would need to give more details on the hardware i.e. the make model
[10:27] <marc__> you didnt break it
[10:27] <HappyFool> mbirkis: there seems to be a wiki page related to this
[10:27] <marc__> windows xp did
[10:27] <HappyFool> mbirkis: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[10:27] <psychonate> djp, well, if it played fine in another play, you would probably know for sure whether or not totem was at fault.
[10:27] <grogoreo> HappyFool: should i expect the bad block check to go into its thousands? its only at 35 now
[10:27] <mbirkis> HappyFool: thnx will check it out...
[10:27] <marc__> anyone mind taking a look at an XKB error (i think relating to a xorg configuration error) after installing ATI drivers
[10:28] <HappyFool> grogoreo: didn't you run the smartmon thing first ?
[10:28] <grogoreo> HappyFool, yes but only the copyright thing came up
[10:28] <HappyFool> grogoreo: with 'sudo' ?
[10:28] <Teatimer> Does anyone know how I can TELL ubuntu to use my wireless network device? ndiswrapper says it is installed
[10:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: hrm. actually, i can't get it to work here. stand by
[10:29] <grogoreo> HappyFool: sudo smartctl /dev/sda1
[10:29] <nalioth> grogoreo: you have to run the smartctl as root (useing 'sudo')
[10:29] <HappyFool> grogoreo: anyway, yeah, i guess badblocks will take a while
[10:29] <mbirkis> HappyFool: the wiki page tells me i need a live cd... i don't have a live cd :(
[10:29] <nalioth> grogoreo: smartctl will tell you if the HD is physically/mechanically correct
[10:29] <grogoreo> sorry i meant to write hde not sda
[10:29] <gr0bi> everytime i try to open a radiostream (shoutcast.com) xmms freezes! what can i do??
[10:29] <djp> psychonate: sure
[10:29] <AMDXP> hey guys what packages can I uninstall to save some HD space
[10:30] <marc__> What you use your system for AMD?
[10:30] <marc__> and what packages do you have installed?
[10:30] <grogoreo> nalioth: should there be any command line arguments to it as it just says the copyright then the web site and finishes
[10:30] <HappyFool> mbirkis: i think you can start the install cd, and then use Ctl-Alt-F2 to switch to a console
[10:30] <Teatimer> Anyone? Wireless? boobies?
[10:30] <Will__> Teatimer: The network manager did it for me
[10:30] <AMDXP> marc__: its a 233Mhz Micron Transport Lappy
[10:30] <AMDXP> I used it to surf the net
[10:30] <AMDXP> and listen to mp3s
[10:31] <marc__> it plays mp3s?
[10:31] <AMDXP> yes
[10:31] <marc__> cool
[10:31] <AMDXP> very well
[10:31] <AMDXP> lol
[10:31] <marc__> so you just wanna rip everything else out from a default installation?
[10:31] <Teatimer> Will__ my wifi device isn't in the list
[10:31] <AMDXP> basically yes i just want to save a lil HD space
[10:31] <HappyFool> grogoreo: well, let's try some diagnostics first. what does 'sudo smartctl -i /dev/hde' say ?
[10:32] <jtan325> so yeah, xine plays my music just fine, and i can hear the audio just fine too on movies, but it doesn't show an of the movie itself
[10:32] <jtan325> is there a way to figure out whether my video drive supports "xv"?
[10:32] <Will__> Teatimer: Does it show up if you do a sudo ifconfig ?
[10:32] <AMDXP> jtan325: you still having problems seeing movies
[10:32] <grogoreo> HappyFool, well it says info and the drive
[10:32] <jtan325> AMDXP, it works fine in mplayer
[10:32] <mbirkis> argh! is there a repair feature when running the install as normal?
[10:33] <AMDXP> jtan325: that is funny i can't get mplayer to work it crashes on me
[10:33] <jtan325> AMDXP, i am just curious how it can work in mplayer but not in xine
[10:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: and then 'smartctl -s on /dev/hde' and *then* 'smartctl -a /dev/hde|less'
[10:33] <Teatimer> Will__ no :S
[10:33] <Will__> Teatimer: Then it could be a hardware support problem
[10:33] <HappyFool> grogoreo: on my machine i see a comforting line like this: 'SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED'
[10:33] <AMDXP> but xine will show music video mpegs
[10:33] <marc__> Anyone take a look at my Xkb error spam in a conversation window?
[10:33] <Teatimer> Will__ hmm ndiswrapper is now atleast saying the hardware is present
[10:33] <marc__> Help me solve the problem ?
[10:33] <marc__> :)
[10:34] <grogoreo> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/386
[10:34] <jtan325> hmmm yeah
[10:34] <AMDXP> Teatimer: that is the first step in getting it working
[10:34] <AMDXP> lol
[10:34] <jtan325> AMDXP, what do you use for the video driver in xine?
[10:34] <Will__> Teatimer: I've no experience with that.. *sorry*
[10:34] <jtan325> is it set to "auto"?
[10:34] <Teatimer> Will__ that's ok thanks for you help
[10:34] <Teatimer> AMDXP what is the next?
[10:35] <marc__> Anyone shed some light ont his? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/387  Happend after installing latest ATI drivers and running flgrxconfig
[10:35] <nalioth> comadreja: this is the proper place to sign up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[10:35] <marc__> Think flgrxconfig borked my xorg.conf file
[10:35] <grogoreo> HappyFools, is there anyway to output the smartctl -a /dev/hde|less to a file?
[10:35] <HappyFool> grogoreo: smartctl -a /dev/hde > outputfile.txt
[10:36] <nalioth> grogoreo: yes, smartctl /dev/hde>filename
[10:36] <HappyFool> grogoreo: use 'q' to quit less
[10:36] <nalioth> HappyFool: you looked! now you're blissfully AWARE
[10:36] <grogoreo> it has said SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[10:36] <HappyFool> nalioth: heh :P
[10:36] <HappyFool> nalioth: not really. i don't do backups *eek*
[10:37] <nalioth> HappyFool: now you can let loose the 'badblocks' and 'fsck'! lol
[10:37] <HappyFool> grogoreo: yeah, i think you need to run badblocks now
[10:37] <HappyFool> grogoreo: oddly enough i have a Maxtor 6Y160P0 (you have a Maxtor 6Y160M0)
[10:37] <nalioth> HappyFool: grogoreo: since we know now, that the drive is physcially Okay
[10:37] <AMDXP> Teatimer: I dont know I am a n00b too
[10:38] <AMDXP> but that is what happened with me fixing my soundcard
[10:38] <AMDXP> first i had to get the lappy to see it
[10:38] <AMDXP> then i got it to work
[10:38] <HappyFool> grogoreo: maybe try 'badblocks -c 256 /dev/hde' or higher to increase the speed
[10:38] <marc__> Anyone any ideas on this?   http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[10:38] <grogoreo> HappyFool: btw here is the output of the file if it would help http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/388
[10:38] <Strife> marc__: what's the problem?
[10:39] <marc__> Happend after installing latest ATI drivers, think fglrxconfig changed something in xorg.conf it shouldnt have
[10:39] <Teatimer> AMDXP haha ok cheers :D
[10:39] <HappyFool> grogoreo: i really ought to be getting to sleep. i'm sure gentle nalioth here will guide you deeper into the mysteries of fdisk and mkfs
[10:39] <Strife> marc__: did you make a backup of your old xorg.conf?
[10:39] <Strife> because if not, shame on you
[10:39] <nalioth> marc__: what about that URL?
[10:39] <marc__> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/387
[10:39] <Strife> you should always backup config files before you overwrite them
[10:39] <marc__> I pasted wrong URL sorry
[10:39] <HappyFool> grogoreo: if it said 'PASSED', smartmon has probably told us all it can
[10:39] <grogoreo> HappyFool: ok thank you very much for your help
[10:39] <Teatimer> Can anyone please help me with my wifi problem? I have got it installed and recognised by ndiswrapper, what's next?
[10:40] <Strife> marc__: which fglrx drivers are you using? the ones directly from ATI, or the ones distributed by Ubuntu?
[10:40] <cyphase> http://blogsurvey.media.mit.edu/
[10:40] <marc__> The universal installer from ATI
[10:40] <marc__> for the latest drivers
[10:40] <Strife> yeah I never got that to work...
[10:40] <grogoreo> ok, I'm running the bad blocks now
[10:40] <Strife> marc__: did you follow the forum post detailing how to use those?
[10:41] <marc__> I followed the forum post telling me to delte the old kernel module etc
[10:41] <marc__> delte**
[10:41] <marc__> delete** even
[10:41] <comadreja> I'm trying to join the launchpad, but when I paste my gpg fingerprint it gives me an error
[10:41] <marc__> The drivers work fine, with DRI enabled etc.  However it throws up that error when Gnome loads
[10:42] <Strife> just for yucks then... can you load another window manager?
[10:42] <HappyFool> good night
[10:42] <marc__> Other than sawfish?
[10:43] <grogoreo> does anyone know, at the end of the bad block test what should i should expect to get at the end? if its bad how will i know?
[10:43] <Strife> marc__: no I mean try loading up, say, fluxbox instead of gnome
[10:43] <synthetic_> How do you edit XF86config-4?
[10:43] <nalioth> grogoreo: it should tell you
[10:43] <Strife> I wouldn't imagine that would help, but who knows
[10:44] <Will__> synthetic_: You want /etc/X11/xorg.config
[10:44] <grogoreo> nalioth: oh, ok thank you
[10:44] <marc__> It worked fine with KDE on Kubuntu desktop
[10:44] <Strife> marc__: also, I take it you used the fglrxconfig program? (or whatever it's called(
[10:44] <speel> synthetic_, sudo gedit /etx/X11/xorg.conf
[10:44] <marc__> I used fglrxconfig
[10:44] <synthetic_> okay, thank you
[10:44] <grogoreo> nalioth, thank you very much for your help! I'm going to leave this testing
[10:44] <Strife> marc__: so you don't have your old xorg.conf handy?
[10:44] <grogoreo> bye
[10:44] <marc__> It was after using fglrxconfig that it started throwing this error message
[10:44] <speel> synthetic_, sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ** made a mistake Lol
[10:44] <marc__> I dont unfortunately.  This was like the only time i forgot to make a backup of xorg.conf
[10:45] <marc__> I think its a problem with the keyboard driver its referencing
[10:45] <marc__> Currently its :     Driver	"kbd"  This is correct for Ubuntu?
[10:45] <Strife> marc__: I have "keyboard"
[10:45] <marc__> Think that could be it
[10:46] <synthetic_> now that i've edited it to recognize my mouse, do i unplug/replug my mouse or restart?
[10:46] <marc__> Ima backup my xorg, try keyboard and be right back
[10:46] <matt_> How do I get the logitech MX 1000 laser working in ubuntu
[10:47] <matt_> please someone help
[10:47] <speel> synthetic_, no hold ctrl+alt+back space
[10:47] <speel> that will restar x for you
[10:49] <synthetic_> k, i give up
[10:49] <synthetic_> i followed the instructions exactly on everything:
[10:49] <speel> =/
[10:49] <marc__> well thanks strife. all ok :)
[10:49] <synthetic_> no sound, no mouse, no wireless
[10:49] <concept10> matt_, is that a mouse?
[10:49] <synthetic_> i'm going back to windows
[10:49] <synthetic_> thanks for your help
[10:49] <speel> Lol
[10:49] <speel> try the forums or linuxquestions
[10:50] <LokeDK> how do I set a service to autostart?
[10:50] <unome> matt_: http://floam.sh.nu/?page=guides&section=mx1000
[10:50] <synthetic_> i'm been trying to figure out wireless for two days
[10:50] <nalioth> synthetic_: linux is not ready for primetime
[10:50] <synthetic_> i get the advice to upgrade to hoary
[10:50] <nalioth> synthetic_: linux is for tinkerers
[10:50] <synthetic_> and hoary doesn't fix anything;  it just takes away my mouse support
[10:50] <Strife> marc__: glad to hear it :)
[10:50] <speel> yep and its over hyped
[10:50] <marc__> me too thanks :)
[10:51] <marc__> Anyway to make gnomes window list transparent also?
[10:51] <flodine> omg someone say wireless
[10:51] <synthetic_> nalioth:  i understand that, but i can't very well tinker without a mouse, sound, or wireless
[10:51] <marc__> you can tinker with a keyboard :)
[10:51] <matt_> yes it is my mouse
[10:51] <synthetic_> i mean honestly, i got the drivers, i followed instructions, and it absolutely refuses to work
[10:51] <speel> synthetic_, well if you want you can type xorgconfig in a shell and try to reconfigure xorg all over again
[10:52] <Blue_Summer> Anyone: If i place an exe (which i run with cedega) on the desktop will it still work?
[10:52] <nalioth> Blue_Summer: it will run from anywhere
[10:52] <matt_> thanks very much
[10:52] <nalioth> synthetic_: have you tried to reconfigure your xorg?
[10:52] <marc__> I remember, tinkering with redhat 5.. back then it didnt recognise 90% of my hardware and drivers just werent available :)
[10:53] <marc__> Blue
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> nalioth,  ty m8
[10:53] <marc__> why would you want to place it on yourdesktop?
[10:53] <matt_> How do I get my windows to show up all in one window
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> marc__, easier to open ;)
[10:53] <marc__> Just make a shortcut
[10:53] <matt_> when ever I click on a folder another window opens
[10:53] <Blue_Summer> ooh how do i do that? :P
[10:53] <marc__> cedega WoW.exe for example
[10:54] <marc__> You using gnome?
[10:54] <Blue_Summer> i use the command cedega STEAM.exe to open steam but id prefer to wade through all the transgaming stuff such as cd TransGaming_Drive
[10:54] <arentie> after configuring my wireless card with ndiswrapper, my computer takes forever to start...does anyone know why?
[10:54] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  yep
[10:54] <matt_> Yes I am using gnome
[10:55] <marc__> right click on desktop >> create launcher
[10:55] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  ty
[10:55] <synthetic_> i tried reconfiguring my xorg, but i'm on a laptop where a ton of the stuff is built in and i have no idea
[10:55] <synthetic_> ex. video card
[10:55] <synthetic_> i don't know the specs on it
[10:55] <synthetic_> because it's integrated
[10:55] <speel> google it
[10:55] <marc__> Why not just use point2play tho blue?
[10:55] <speel> who makes your laptop
[10:55] <synthetic_> ibm
[10:55] <speel> what modle number etc?
[10:56] <speel> module*
[10:56] <marc__> Matt
[10:56] <arentie> my computer doesn't hibertnate after configing the wireless card
[10:56] <pitti> mako: here by chance?
[10:56] <marc__> you mean to stop it popping up a new window for each directory?
[10:56] <synthetic_> ibm thinkpad type 2645'
[10:57] <synthetic_> i haven't even started on sound and wireless is making me frustrated beyond all belief
[10:57] <speel> synthetic_, http://www.computingreview.com/cat/hardware/notebook-computers/ibm/PRD_294279_5638crx.aspx
[10:57] <zoor> I'm trying to install a software and my computer tells me "cant find the bz2 library". Alittle further down it says "Note: You might have the lib files but not the headers" how do I get a hold of it?
[10:57] <Blue_Summer> marc__,  i wish i could create a shortcut but tell it to run the command cedega STEAM.exe for it, is this possible?
[10:57] <eruin> I can safely say the elitegroup brand plays perfect with ubuntu
[10:58] <synthetic_> the problem with the mouse is that it'sonly detecting that stupid little nub thing in the middle
[10:58] <synthetic_> the usb mouse isn't getting recognized
[10:58] <marc__> If you create a launcher that says
[10:58] <nalioth> zoor: open synaptic and look for bzip2 developement libraries
[10:58] <speel> zoor, ubuntu comes with bzip
[10:58] <nalioth> speel: but not the libbz2 libs for dev stuff
[10:58] <synthetic_> but last version recognized it no problem!!!  how the heck do you release a new version of an OS that's LESS compatible?!
[10:58] <speel> zoor, open up a console and type bzip2 -d whateverfile
[10:59] <synthetic_> did ubuntu take lessons from microsoft or something?
[10:59] <marc__> cedega PATH/STEAM.exe it will work
[10:59] <speel> lol
[10:59] <marc__> is it a logitech 1000 syhntetic?
[10:59] <gr0bi> does someone have gdesklets - starterbar running??
[11:00] <jasmuz> gr0bi: yep
[11:00] <synthetic_> no, marc
[11:00] <synthetic_> it's a generic mini notebook mouse
[11:01] <zoor> nalioth, I have a couple of them. What I'm trying to do is to run the command "scons" but it says it dont find them. I have no idea how to fix this. I see I have a few of those files... but how do I know what files are missing?
[11:02] <remyforbes777> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:02] <truz24> has anyone installed the sun java jdk in ubuntu?
[11:03] <Poromies> yeps
[11:03] <synthetic_> does anyone know how to install XP from an XP cd in Linux?  I think I'd be better off having a dual boot
[11:03] <flodine> anyone test the breezy yet
[11:03] <Poromies> i have both java 1.5 on my chroot 32bit and blackdowns 1.4 on 64bit
[11:03] <speel> truz24, ive installed java jre
[11:04] <nalioth> zoor: did you find libbz2-dev or something like it (use synaptic to search for 'bz2')
[11:04] <speel> synthetic_, i think you would have to install xp first then linux
[11:04] <freddy> shouldnt apt-get install j2re work to install java?
[11:05] <speel> only if you added the extra repos
[11:05] <nalioths_dog> freddy: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[11:05] <synthetic_> speel: shoot...see, my copy of windows is slightly less than legal, so i can't boot it from my bios
[11:05] <speel> it would be sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:05] <eno> HI!
[11:05] <matt_> how do I setup a MX 1000 laser mouse
[11:05] <eno> I have another question for the folks here
[11:06] <speel> synthetic_, ah damn =/ i have the not so legal bootable windows
[11:06] <unome> matt_: for second time http://floam.sh.nu/guides/mx1000
[11:06] <synthetic_> is there any way to say, make a boot disk or something?
[11:06] <matt_> way to hard to follow
[11:06] <eno> my usb storage device used to mount autmagically and appear on the desktop when I booted, but now it doesn't.  I did reinstall since then of course.  It is not listed in fdisk -l
[11:06] <synthetic_> or perhaps even use WINE?
[11:07] <speel> synthetic_, http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm
[11:07] <scizho> wine run .exe, not windows
[11:07] <zoor> nalioth, I see it.. heres what it says "the following package have unresolveble dependencies. Make sure all repositories are added and a"
[11:07] <zoor> gah
[11:07] <matt_> I can't get the driver compiled
[11:07] <zoor> nalioth, I see it.. heres what it says "the following package have unresolveble dependencies. Make sure all repositories are added and enabled."
[11:07] <synthetic_> yeah, could i use wine to run the setup.exe from the xp disc?
[11:07] <zoor> there :)
[11:07] <nalioths_dog> zoor: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:07] <nalioths_dog> zoor: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:08] <scizho> eh..
[11:08] <scizho> windows has it own kernel
[11:08] <scizho> i cant see how wine can fit that
[11:09] <matt_> unome any other pages
[11:09] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:09] <unome> matt_  try this: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf browse to mouse section changes buttons to "10" and ZaxisMapping to "9 10" thensudo xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 4 5"
[11:10] <matt_> k
[11:10] <matt_> how do I show u what is in my xorg
[11:10] <gotonpo> ubuntu saved my life.
[11:11] <Boitek_Corp> lol
[11:11] <synthetic_> ubuntu is frustrating me to such ends that i may end my life
[11:11] <gotonpo> and my marriage.
[11:11] <gotonpo> hah
[11:11] <nalioth> synthetic_: don't do that
[11:11] <gotonpo> synthetic_: what's the problem?
[11:11] <nalioth> synthetic_: buy a mac
[11:11] <gotonpo> mmm mac.
[11:11] <gotonpo> i'm thinking about putting ubuntu on my powerbook
[11:11] <synthetic_> nalioth:  no money or else i would in a heartbeat!
[11:12] <scizho> synthetic_ : my life is doing fine without usb mouse
[11:12] <scizho> :p
[11:12] <raz> Anyone using XFCE here?
[11:12] <synthetic_> gotonpo:  where shall i start?  no mouse, no sound, no wireless
[11:12] <synthetic_> i've been working on wireless for two days to no avail
[11:12] <gotonpo> goodness.
[11:12] <nalioth> synthetic_: don't need much money http://www.apple.com/store/  see the red tag on the bottom right
[11:12] <cyphase> Blog Author Ratio -> 17247 (Male) / 29061 (Female)
[11:12] <synthetic_> upgraded from warty to hoary
[11:12] <matt_> unome I have Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
[11:12] <zoor> nalioths_dog, then what?
[11:12] <ukato> do i need to do anything special (port opening or anything) to run a VNC server on an ubuntu machine?
[11:12] <nalioth> ukato: not to my knowledge
[11:12] <synthetic_> which, for some reason decided that my mouse was too good for hoary and made it not work though it auto detected flawlessly in warty
[11:13] <ukato> meh, ok
[11:13] <synthetic_> sound i haven't even started on
[11:13] <nalioth> ukato: if i were you, i'd install/run a sshd also
[11:13] <eno> would somebody please tell me how to set up my usb storage device?
[11:13] <Deigo> hello
[11:13] <unome> matt_ option "Buttons" 10  |  Option "ZaxisMapping" "9 10"  | sudo xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 4 5"
[11:13] <ukato> mhm, i have openssh-server installed, and vncserver, but for some reason vnc server isn't working when i try to connect to it
[11:13] <arentie> ubuntu doesn't hibernate for me...could someone help?
[11:13] <matt_> k
[11:13] <QMario> Can Ubuntu recognize connections from a USB DSL modem?
[11:14] <Deigo> yea
[11:14] <nalioth> ukato: there are lots of tutorials via google for vnc over ssh
[11:14] <Boitek_Corp> Yep
[11:14] <nalioth> ukato: i do it all the time (at least 3 times a day)
[11:14] <Funk4544> Hi all
[11:14] <Funk4544> I'm having a problem with Ubuntu
[11:14] <ukato> oh ok
[11:14] <Funk4544> (Gnome, specifically)
[11:14] <QMario> It does not recognize my 2WIRE DSL modem.
[11:14] <synthetic_> and the problem with looking for help on irc is that i have to almost start at square one with every new person
[11:14] <Funk4544> My menu bar is, uh, gone
[11:14] <Funk4544> so is my taskbar
[11:14] <synthetic_> and it's making me a very sad panda
[11:14] <ukato> so you have to tell VNC to run through ssh?
[11:14] <Funk4544> that's after restarting
[11:14] <Funk4544> o_O
[11:15] <socomm> Funk4544: `gnome-panel'
[11:15] <nalioth> synthetic_: but you know what? you're gonna catch thre RIGHT person, adn get fixed up
[11:15] <scizho> synthetic_ : it's all about learning
[11:15] <scizho> :p
[11:15] <nalioth> ukato: nope
[11:15] <socomm> Funk4544: Run that command.
[11:15] <QMario> Can someone help me?
[11:15] <arentie> hibernating ubuntu does not work...can anyone help?
[11:15] <nalioth> ukato: you start a ssh tunnel and tell vnc to look at your end of it
[11:15] <matt_> can't change the xmod part
[11:15] <spamalope> reboot
[11:16] <ukato> hm
[11:16] <ukato> i see
[11:16] <marclaporte> Hi everyone! Hoping for a link / pointer in the right direction. (forum post, documentation, etc). I installed 5.04 on a Soltek Qbic (with everything integrated, including gForce dual video card).
[11:16] <synthetic_> I know it's all about learning, but when you spend two days typing random stuff into a terminal and getting no results, taking advice and having even MORE problems, you start to get a bit pissy
[11:16] <marclaporte> It installed nicely but when I try a first login, it starts but then Gnome crashes and offers to login again. I can't get to desktop...
[11:16] <marclaporte> I was able to use live CD but it was unstable also... (it would freeze after a minute or two)
[11:16] <nalioth> ukato: just google "vnc over ssh" and read up on it
[11:16] <nalioth> ukato: any questions, come back here
[11:16] <synthetic_> nalioth:  not much money?!?  give me $800 for an ibook if you think that!
[11:16] <ukato> okay, cool
[11:16] <ukato> thank you
[11:16] <nalioth> synthetic_: mac minis are very inexpensive
[11:17] <QMario> Ubuntu does not recognize my 2WIRE DSL modem.
[11:17] <QMario> It is plugged in too.
[11:17] <synthetic_> then give me $500 for one
[11:17] <matt_> unome I have a problem
[11:17] <synthetic_> :P
[11:17] <nalioths_dog> QMario: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:18] <synthetic_> when you're 17 and making minimum wage with insurance payments, $500 is about a year's worth of work
[11:18] <QMario> Where is the mailing list?
[11:18] <Amaranth> QMario: linux and usb modems usually don't get along
[11:18] <`crimsun> QMario, lists.ubuntu.com -> ubuntu-users
[11:18] <nalioth> QMario: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:18] <QMario> Synthetic_, your 17?
[11:18] <Amaranth> QMario: If you can, hook it up with an ethernet cable
[11:18] <QMario> Thank you everyone. :)
[11:18] <matt_> what command checks opengl
[11:18] <synthetic_> yep
[11:18] <`crimsun> matt_, what aspect of OpenGL?
[11:19] <matt_> to see if my card is working
[11:19] <Amaranth> glxinfo
[11:19] <matt_> k
[11:19] <Amaranth> glxinfo | grep direct
[11:19] <MikeStyle> I installed xcdroast and whenever i try to start it, it asks me to run it as superuser and configure it there.
[11:19] <unome> matt_:  then glxgears to see if it's working
[11:19] <matt_> k
[11:19] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: xcdroast is junk
[11:19] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: Get gnomebaker or k3b
[11:20] <matt_> isn't there another one besides glxgears
[11:20] <MikeStyle> Amaranth: gnomebaker doesnt work on my computer
[11:20] <socomm> gnomebaker is good, my only gripe is that it has no option to normalize wav files.
[11:20] <`crimsun> matt_, glxgears doesn't tell you if OpenGL is "working"
[11:20] <socomm> Hohum.
[11:20] <synthetic_> does anyone want to help me with my wireless troubles?
[11:20] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: xcdroast probably won't either
[11:20] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: try k3b
[11:20] <mbirkis> can gnomebaker burn mp3s directly to audio cds?
[11:20] <matt_> unome my xmod part didn't work for my mouse
[11:20] <synthetic_> i think i'm close to done as far as my wireless troubles go
[11:20] <synthetic_> hopefully
[11:20] <Amaranth> mbirkis: yes
[11:21] <unome> matt_ try the guide dude
[11:21] <mbirkis> Amaranth: great!
[11:21] <socomm> mbirkis: Yes, just create a data project and not an audio project.
[11:21] <Funk4544> Hi guys
[11:21] <matt_> Who here can help me get my mx 1000 mouse working
[11:21] <Amaranth> socomm: no, he wants an audio project
[11:21] <Funk4544> Does anyone know why my taskbar & menu bar have disappeared in Gnome - Ubuntu?
[11:21] <Amaranth> Funk4544: gnome-panel died?
[11:21] <mbirkis> socomm: yeah! i wan't a audio project
[11:21] <socomm> Amaranth: The audio project converts your audio files to wav.
[11:21] <topyli> Funk4544: your gnome-panel has crashed
[11:21] <Amaranth> socomm: It burns an audio cd, yes.
[11:22] <Funk4544> topyli,  right after restart?
[11:22] <MikeStyle> Amaranth, im installing k3b through terminal and its taking a while...
[11:22] <topyli> Funk4544: or you have deleted both panels :)
[11:22] <Funk4544> it happens everytime, even after reboot
[11:22] <socomm> I'm guessing s/he wants to write the compressed files onto the disk without wav conversion.
[11:22] <matt_> is 7000 fps in glxgears good
[11:22] <Funk4544> Amaranth, died how? any solutions on how to correct it?
[11:22] <Amaranth> matt_: I'm stealing your card.
[11:22] <Amaranth> Funk4544: Sorry, no.
[11:22] <unome> yes it's good
[11:22] <matt_> why, is that good
[11:22] <topyli> Funk4544: open the system monitor, see if gnome-panel is running
[11:22] <unome> 35744 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7148.800 FPS
[11:22] <Amaranth> matt_: That's awesome, I only get 300fps
[11:22] <socomm> Funk4544: Have you tried to re run the gnome-panel?
[11:23] <MikeStyle> how do i check how many fps i get
[11:23] <Amaranth> i know people who get faster software speed than i get with my video card
[11:23] <matt_> not sure
[11:23] <Amaranth> MikeStyle: run glxgears from a terminal
[11:23] <matt_> 61103 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12220.600 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 61961 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12392.200 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 62075 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12415.000 FPS
[11:23] <matt_> 61715 frames in 5.0 seconds = 12343.000 FPS
[11:23] <MikeStyle> amaranth how? sudo apt-get install glxgears?
[11:23] <truz24> matt
[11:23] <truz24> maximize it
[11:23] <Jhair> hi, I am installing ubuntu warty in a chroot environment (on a Debian sid box), dpkg-reconfigure console-data shows the following:
[11:23] <matt_> yes
[11:23] <truz24> and then tell us what u get
[11:23] <Amaranth> matt_: Sure, if I minimize the windo I get about 8000.
[11:23] <Jhair> http://mandala.no-ip.info/~jto/ubuntu_warty_chroot_install_no_german_keyboard.jpg
[11:24] <truz24> make sure it is taking up full screen
[11:24] <unome> glxgears FPS means nothing
[11:24] <Funk4544> topyli, not yet. how do I open the sys monitor
[11:24] <Funk4544> socomm, not yet. how do I do that?
[11:24] <truz24> and there are no other windows on top of it
[11:24] <kengur> what's that funky download manager? called x-something
[11:24] <Jhair> why isn't there a german keymap?
[11:24] <Funk4544> I**I've got terminal open ready for commands
[11:24] <vini> please! how can I configure my serial mouse of my notebook? Ubuntu just found touchpad
[11:24] <matt_> k, what means the most then unome
[11:24] <topyli> Funk4544: right click on the desktop, choose open terminal. run gnome-system-monitor
[11:24] <matt_> what the best test
[11:24] <kengur> vini, rip out touchpad =)
[11:24] <socomm> Funk4544: Run `gnome-panel' from a terminal or the GNOME run dialog.
[11:24] <unome> matt_ test for what?
[11:24] <synthetic_> 378 frames in 5.0 seconds = 75.600 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 341 frames in 5.0 seconds = 68.200 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 67.800 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 6.0 seconds = 56.500 FPS
[11:24] <synthetic_> 339 frames in 5.0 seconds = 67.800 FPS
[11:24] <vini> kengur, I hate touchpad :P
[11:24] <synthetic_> :(
[11:25] <truz24> strong
[11:25] <Funk4544> It gives all sorts of errors
[11:25] <Jhair> oh I know, I that's only the arch list, I can select a german keyboard from the full list, but still why german isn't included in "Select keymap from arch list"?
[11:25] <Funk4544> It says "Sleeping" for most programs
[11:25] <kengur> what's that funky download manager called? x-something
[11:25] <Funk4544> wtf
[11:25] <matt_> my video card
[11:25] <MikeStyle> how do i run gfxgears from terminal
[11:25] <topyli> Funk4544: which one? gnome-terminal?
[11:25] <matt_> need something to test it
[11:25] <topyli> Funk4544: gnome-panel? or the system monitor?
[11:25] <Funk4544> topyli, Gnome system monior
[11:25] <unome> glxgears is not a benchmark, just tells you (if any) that your driver is working
[11:25] <topyli> hrm
[11:25] <Funk4544> topyli, trying gnome panel now
[11:25] <Funk4544> ok
[11:25] <Funk4544> that worked
[11:25] <scizho> synthetic_ : even serial mouse wont work
[11:25] <Funk4544> gnome-panel works
[11:25] <kengur> nm, found
[11:26] <vini> kengur, in another Debian version I installed "joystick", run "sermouse" and then I can move with my serial mouse, but I dont know if works at Ubuntu
[11:26] <topyli> Funk4544: log out, save the session
[11:26] <matt_> are there any games to install to see how my video card runs them
[11:26] <topyli> Funk4544: then log in and you should have your panel
[11:26] <synthetic_> scizho, i know!  nothing works on hoary!!  it makes me so mad because it worked flawlessly on warty and that was LAST RELEASE
[11:26] <kengur> vini, give it a try
[11:26] <MikeStyle> how do i run gfxgears from my terminal
[11:26] <synthetic_> mikestyle, just type glxgears
[11:26] <kengur> MikeStyle, just type it
[11:27] <MikeStyle> synthetic_, glx or gfx
[11:27] <synthetic_> glx
[11:27] <scizho> synthetic_ : maybe that because warthy ignore the touchpad and go directly to usb mouse
[11:27] <synthetic_> scizho, that's gotta be it...but i have no idea how to do that in hoary
[11:27] <Funk4544> topyli, k thx
[11:27] <scizho> i dont have any laptop though..
[11:27] <scizho> :P
[11:27] <MikeStyle> wow im only at like 600
[11:27] <Funk4544> (gnome-system-monitor:9185): Gtk-WARNING **: Attempting to sort on invalid type GdkPixbuf
[11:27] <socomm> Haha.
[11:27] <Funk4544> that kind of message.  I'd run with it in my hand
[11:30] <Funk4544> lol
[11:30] <unome> even better
[11:30] <Funk4544> hey guys
[11:30] <Funk4544> easy question
[11:30] <Funk4544> Is there any way to change to ROOT from terminal
[11:30] <socomm> Funk4544: Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to ignore those GNOME warning. :)
[11:30] <Funk4544> I know there's a command
[11:30] <Funk4544> socomm, hehe
[11:30] <scizho> sudo?
[11:30] <socomm> cd /
[11:31] <Funk4544> not the dir
[11:31] <socomm> sudo -s
[11:31] <vladuz976> i run fedora right now. wanna try ubuntu, is it hard to install dual boot?
[11:31] <Funk4544> I need to run a command in root
[11:31] <Funk4544> (synaptic)
[11:31] <scizho> sudo? -s -H?
[11:31] <Funk4544> super user do?
[11:31] <socomm> sud synaptic
[11:31] <socomm> `sudo synaptic'
[11:31] <dennis_> did somebody say SOCOM?
[11:31] <Funk4544> excellent
[11:31] <Funk4544> that worked.
[11:31] <Funk4544> what is the -s & -H?
[11:32] <socomm> The -s switch will give you a shell with super user priveleges.
[11:32] <scizho> so you dont have to put password evrytime you do command
[11:32] <Seveas> socomm, better use -i
[11:32] <Seveas> NOT -s
[11:32] <vladuz976> hello anybody,
[11:32] <vladuz976> ?
[11:32] <Seveas> hi
[11:33] <eno> any help for the guy who can't get his usb storage drive to work?  it doesn't list in fdisk -l, but on the mp3 player it says usb connected.  I had it working before, but I reinstalled and now I have NO clue.
[11:33] <Seveas> vladuz976, it is easy to install dual boot
[11:33] <ukato> nalioth, so, do you use putty or something along those lines
[11:33] <socomm> Thanks for correcting me.
[11:33] <Funk4544> hey guys
[11:33] <vladuz976> Seveas: how? does it give you an option in the instaler
[11:33] <Funk4544> I typed sudo -i and it sent me to root
[11:33] <Funk4544> how do I go back?
[11:33] <socomm> `exit'
[11:33] <eno> I guess I should stop asking
[11:34] <socomm> Or `CTL+D'.
[11:34] <comadreja> I'd like to be a maintainer... would that be hard ?
[11:34] <Funk4544> no command to go back to regular user mode
[11:34] <Seveas> vladuz976, indeed
[11:34] <Seveas> comadreja, maintainer of what?
[11:34] <socomm> Funk4544: Those are the commands to get back to your previous shell.
[11:34] <comadreja> Seveas , drqueue
[11:34] <Funk4544> socomm, ooh like what?
[11:35] <Funk4544> One more question: is there a way to open a Terminal window WITHOUT using the mouse
[11:35] <Funk4544> like a keystroke or something
[11:35] <socomm> Type `exit' or use the ctl+d
[11:35] <Funk4544> socomm, other than that, I mean. :)
[11:35] <Seveas> comadreja, you should contact the MOTU if you want to maintain a package in Ubuntu
[11:35] <Seveas> #ubuntu-motu / wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[11:35] <socomm> Off the top of my head those are the only ones I know.
[11:36] <scizho> Funk4544 " ctrl -alt - f1 ?
[11:36] <comadreja> Seveas : how do I contact the MOTU ? is there anyone around ?
[11:36] <eno> thanks anyways, ttyl
[11:37] <comadreja> Seveas : oops, sorry
[11:40] <vladuz976> i have fedora right now, you think ubuntu is the better os?
[11:40] <vladuz976> distro
[11:41] <unome> vladuz976: give it a shot.
[11:41] <vladuz976> unome: i heard there is an issue with screen resolution after install
[11:42] <unome> not for me.
[11:42] <socomm> Ubuntu is the uberdistro.
[11:42] <dennis_> uberdistro of Debian
[11:43] <vladuz976> dennis_: that is what i heard
[11:43] <freddy> do you guys know of anyway of adding shadows to the windows?
[11:43] <socomm> xcomposite
[11:43] <Funk4544> back
[11:43] <unome> Ubuntu = Unlike Before, linUx Now is Totally Usable (ubuntu means humanity but what the heck)
[11:43] <Funk4544> lol
[11:43] <socomm> Look it up.
[11:43] <Funk4544> that wasn't very nice :(
[11:43] <Funk4544> I hit control alt + F1 and it killed my session :(
[11:43] <neighborlee> what is packge name for kernel headers ?
[11:43] <vladuz976> how can i make sure during installation that my videocard and monitor hardware were recognized, so i don't have to messs with the resoltion stuff later on
[11:43] <socomm> Funk4544: It did not kill your session, it just switched you to a virtual terminal.
[11:43] <Funk4544> is there any way open a terminal WINDOW using keyboard commands
[11:44] <Funk4544> socomm, eh? virtual terminal?
[11:44] <Funk4544> socomm, what's that?
[11:44] <socomm> Try hiting CTL+ALT+F1-7), and see what happens.
[11:44] <unome> vladuz976: get a Live CD, check if your hardware will work, play with it, if you like it then install, if not, then move on
[11:44] <socomm> The seventh terminal is where your X server resides.
[11:44] <Funk4544> noooo!!! what happens?
[11:45] <Funk4544> How do I get back to this sesison socomm
[11:45] <socomm> ALT+F7
[11:45] <vladuz976> unome: good idea. i wanna use ubuntu coz it has apt
[11:45] <Funk4544> brb
[11:45] <socomm> I believe that's what Ubuntu defaults to.
[11:45] <unome> vladuz976: once you go Ubuntu, you never go back, you are warned!
[11:45] <nalioth> unome: i think you're reaching with your acronym
[11:45] <Funk4544> Alt 7 worked
[11:45] <unome> nalioth :p
[11:46] <Funk4544> unome,  why is Ubuntu so good?
[11:46] <socomm> Yes you can switch between different Virtual Terminals (VT) with the ALT+F<NUMBER> keys.
[11:46] <neighborlee> nm found it
[11:46] <unome> Funk4544: you are using it, you tell me.
[11:46] <dennis_> lol
[11:47] <Funk4544> unome, I chose it based on a friend's recommendation
[11:47] <socomm> Funk4544: Because the developers have a contract with the devil.
[11:47] <unome> Funk4544: and .. you love it.
[11:47] <othernoob> how do i get vobsub subtitles displayed in vlc or kaffeine?
[11:47] <dennis_> I have to admin Ubuntu is friendlier than Gentoo
[11:47] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:47] <Funk4544> Do you guys like Gnome or KDE
[11:47] <dennis_> KDE
[11:47] <Funk4544> why
[11:48] <Funk4544> I just downloaded KDE (i'm running GNome right now)
[11:48] <Funk4544> How do I switch between which boots up on startup
[11:48] <dennis_> KDE has a fancy look
[11:48] <socomm> I prefer GNOME, but if I have a choice I'd rather go with fluxbox.
[11:48] <dennis_> and I use Baghira thenme
[11:48] <dennis_> theme*
[11:48] <unome> KDE is eye candy, Gnome is fast. (I use KDE)
[11:49] <socomm> Funk4544: You choose it at login under the session option.
[11:49] <gotonpo> i like gnome's minimal default look
[11:49] <gotonpo> although kde can get more minimal if you tweak it
[11:49] <AndyR> anyone help with a cs4232 soundcard not being detected?
[11:49] <|stefan|> anyone know how to make ubuntu not shut down when i'm pressing the powerbutton ?
[11:49] <dennis_> that's true, Gnome is faster
[11:49] <AndyR> i modprobed cs4232 and it loads without errors
[11:50] <dennis_> and simpler
[11:50] <unome> for a newb like myself, KDE is the way to go. Especially if you're coming from the Doze.
[11:50] <othernoob> why unome?
[11:50] <othernoob> what has that to do with it?
[11:50] <gotonpo> i'm coming from windows & osx, gnome seems easier to me
[11:50] <gotonpo> it's all personal
[11:51] <unome> othernoob: like I said KDE is eyecandy and is more than a window manager, it's an entire desktop and some more.
[11:51] <nalioth> othernoob: KDE is more windows-like, where gnome follows apple design lead
[11:51] <dennis_> well, you can make KDE look like OS X
[11:51] <dennis_> with Baghira
[11:51] <Quest-Master> That's sort of wrong
[11:51] <unome> You can make either the way you want.
[11:51] <Quest-Master> I have my Gnome to look JUST like the default KDE install
[11:51] <Quest-Master> Layout-wise
[11:52] <unome> there you go
[11:52] <gotonpo> wow
[11:52] <guys> is there anyone here that can answer my question
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Bar at the bottom, icon/launchers on the left, window list beside that, and then beside that the system tray
[11:52] <nalioth> guess i should said "by default"
[11:52] <freddy> socomm, is it cpu intensive?
[11:52] <nalioth> guys: have you asked a question?
[11:52] <guys> yeah
[11:52] <Jimbob> guys: What is your question?
[11:52] <guys> yeah
[11:52] <guys> guys im getting an error cp:cannot stat 'arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586ko. when I do a make modules_install
[11:53] <guys> what is causign that error
[11:53] <Funk4544> bbl
[11:53] <Jimbob> Does the file "arch/i386/crypto/aies-i586.ko" exist?
[11:53] <cody> Hi
[11:54] <socomm> freddy: Is what CPU intensive?
[11:54] <guys> doesnt seem to
[11:54] <cody> what version of X.org does 5.04 use?
[11:54] <jozzer> anyone know what could be the problem when mplayer just keeps hanging after defaulting to alsa and soundcard 0?? no errors  sound works fine it many other programs???
[11:54] <socomm> guys: `make modules && make modules_install'
[11:54] <scizho> socomm : drain memories
[11:54] <guys> ok socomm
[11:55] <socomm> guys: You need to build the modules before you install them.
[11:55] <socomm> scizho: I'm lost, dunno what you guys are talking about.
[11:55] <freddy> socomm, xcomposite