[00:00] <jose> which... turned into this
[00:00] <jose> otherwise, we need to find an owner now
[00:00] <wxl> i don't think he's telling you that you have to if you don't want to toddy :)
[00:01] <jose> yep, exactly
[00:01] <toddy> But yes, I can own that action item if you want.
[00:01] <toddy> I can do it.
[00:01] <jose> perfect, thanks.
[00:01] <jose> anything else on that topic?
[00:01] <wxl> #action toddy to put LCRC proposal draft in our documentation
[00:01] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy to put LCRC proposal draft in our documentation
[00:02] <wxl> #action toddy to create call for nominations for LCRC linking to the proposal draft in our documentation
[00:02] <meetingology> ACTION: toddy to create call for nominations for LCRC linking to the proposal draft in our documentation
[00:02] <wxl> ok so that's done
[00:02] <jose> and let's draft a call for nominations too
[00:02] <jose> with that, we're good to go
[00:02] <wxl> that should just be copypasta really
[00:03] <jose> mostly :)
[00:03] <wxl> ok
[00:03] <jose> still needs to be drafted tho
[00:03] <jose> anyways
[00:03] <wxl> #topic any other business?
[00:03] <Eickmeyer> Alright, thanks everyone!
[00:03] <jose> I did have something else
[00:04] <Eickmeyer> Ruh roh.
[00:04] <Eickmeyer> My bad.
[00:04] <nhaines> jose: always with that last second surprise reveal!
[00:04] <wxl> hahahahahah
[00:04] <jose> Just wanted to make sure that anyone that has an action item reflects that in our Launchpad bug system
[00:04] <sarnold> jose columbo over here :)
[00:04] <jose> I've missed a thing or two myself and I apologize
[00:04] <wxl> YES
[00:04] <jose> but let's make sure that we have them listed
[00:04] <wxl> everyone should go make a bug for their action items
[00:04] <nhaines> That's a good idea.
[00:04] <jose> that way we can hold each other accountable for the work we're doing
[00:05] <linaporras> oh ok!
[00:05] <jose> more for projects than action items
[00:05] <jose> and action items can be listed inside of each bug
[00:06] <wxl> ok so let's get on that after the meeting
[00:06] <wxl> anything else?
[00:06] <wxl> oh i have one more thing
[00:06] <wxl> an idea i came up with at the beginning of the meeting
[00:07] <wxl> we should end every meeting with the choosing of the chair for the next meeting!
[00:07] <jose> good one!
[00:07] <jose> now that we're all here
[00:07] <nhaines> That's a good one!
[00:07] <Eickmeyer> Next meeting is Jan 6
[00:07] <toddy> I will chair the next meeting.
[00:07] <wxl> are you volunteering nhaines ? (say yes)
[00:07] <wxl> oh darn it's toddy maybe next time :)
[00:07] <jose> thank you, toddy!
[00:08] <nhaines> Dibs after that!
[00:08] <jose> perfect!
[00:08] <wxl> we've been a little lazy in creating agendas ahead of time
[00:08] <wxl> that would be a good thing for the next chair to do
[00:08] <jose> I believe that makes sense
[00:09] <wxl> after the meeting, i'll drum up the meeting notes and any remaining business can just copy paste into a new post
[00:09] <wxl> and that's it for me
[00:09] <jose> I don't have anything else after that. Unless anyone has something else?
[00:10] <wxl> i'm going to start the countdown: 10 seconds…
[00:10] <linaporras> good idea wxl
[00:10] <wxl> ok well that's that
[00:10] <nhaines> Just one last thing!
[00:10] <wxl> thanks everyone!
[00:10] <wxl> oh darnit
[00:10] <sarnold> nhaines :D
[00:10] <nhaines> Happy holidays, everyone.  :D
[00:10]  * wxl gets out the fish
[00:10] <linaporras> oh!
[00:10] <linaporras> jajajaja cool!
[00:10] <linaporras> Enjoy christmas, and since now, happy new year!
[00:10] <nhaines> And a happy new year!
[00:11] <wxl> yes happy holidays indeed
[00:11] <jose> happy holidays, y'all
[00:11] <toddy> yes, happy holiday to everyone
[00:11] <linaporras> 🎄
[00:11] <wxl> and to all, a good night
[00:11] <wxl> #endmeeting
[00:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 00:11:32 2020 UTC.
[00:11] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-12-16-23.14.moin.txt
[00:11] <jose> toddy should go to bed
[00:11] <Eickmeyer> Alright, good meeting! :)
[00:11] <toddy> jose: yes.
[00:12] <toddy> I have been awake for just over 20 hours
[00:12] <toddy> and it was a hard day
[00:14] <jose> someone has earned themselves a drink
[02:05] <teward> jose: sounds like me, courtesy of the Lubuntu Council :p
[16:04] <mclemenceau> o/
[16:04] <rbalint> o/
[16:04] <slyon> o/
[16:04] <tdaitx> <o/
[16:04] <mclemenceau> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 16:04:52 2020 UTC.  The chair is mclemenceau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:04] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:05] <mclemenceau> Probably a short one today :-)
[16:05] <mclemenceau> #topic Lightning rounds
[16:05] <mclemenceau> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform slyon)
[16:05] <mclemenceau> bdmurray rbalint sil2100 infinity xnox slyon waveform mwhudson juliank doko vorlon tdaitx
[16:05] <mclemenceau> rbalint: you won!
[16:05] <rbalint> * internal trainings
[16:05] <rbalint> * glibc Bionic SRU verifications and helping it in migration
[16:06] <rbalint> * prepared and uploded glibc for hirsute, groovy and focal
[16:06] <rbalint> * uploaded systemd 247.1
[16:06] <rbalint> * +1 maintenance
[16:06] <rbalint> (done)
[16:06] <slyon> - Investigated systemd vs netplan regression
[16:06] <slyon> - skiboot sponsorings for Xenial+
[16:06] <slyon> - DMB meeting, became core-dev
[16:06] <slyon> [16:06] <slyon> - Reviewed PR#177 (new routing options)
[16:06] <slyon> - Reviewed & Merged PR#175 (clang cleanups)
[16:06] <slyon> - Prepared PR#178, PR#179 (systemd & NM improvements)
[16:06] <slyon> - Netplan.io 0.101-0ubuntu{2,3}
[16:06] <slyon>   * For systemd v247 compatibility, NM integration fixes
[16:06] <slyon>   * SRU for Groovy and Focal, LP: #1908509
[16:06] <slyon> - Investigating fixes of old nms-netplan-plugin
[16:06] <slyon> - Working on new NetworkManager backend & keyfile fallback
[16:06] <slyon> (done)
[16:07] <waveform> * Found fix for u-boot on CM4 (LP: #1906552, LP: #1906551) and Pi 400
[16:07] <waveform> * Also fixed eMMC bug with CM4 while at it
[16:07] <waveform> * f-k, firmware, eeprom SRU work
[16:07] <waveform> (done)
[16:07] <tdaitx> Short week: out on Friday, sickday on Monday and Tuesday, slow day on Wednesday
[16:07] <tdaitx> - finishing up jck and packaging scripts for jenkins
[16:07] <tdaitx> Other:
[16:07] <tdaitx> - finished internal trainings
[16:07] <tdaitx> - will no longer be taking this Friday off
[16:07] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:07] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (groovy)
[16:08] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:08] <mclemenceau> Let's look at new bug for Groovy first
[16:08] <mclemenceau> we'll go to hirsute next
[16:08] <rbalint> tdaitx, is jckd
[16:08] <mclemenceau> \o/ no bug in gg
[16:08] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (hirsute)
[16:08] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:09] <mclemenceau> bug 1907228
[16:09] <mclemenceau> looks like a ftbfs according to doko
[16:09] <rbalint> i guess we need to take that for openstack
[16:10] <mclemenceau> ok, I'll card this
[16:11] <mclemenceau> it appears it is resolved
[16:11] <doko> I think that's fixed by a dnspython upload
[16:11] <mclemenceau> bug 1907850
[16:12] <mclemenceau> Looks like julian is already planning to SRU this, probably something to card
[16:13] <mclemenceau> next bug 1907956
[16:14] <mclemenceau> let's card this one.
[16:15] <mclemenceau> done with hirsute
[16:15] <mclemenceau> let's look at focal now
[16:15] <mclemenceau> #topic Release incoming bugs (focal)
[16:16] <mclemenceau> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[16:16] <mclemenceau> bug 1906551 has been carded already
[16:16] <mclemenceau> waveform: you've made good progress on this one this week
[16:17] <mclemenceau> and bug 1898026
[16:17] <waveform> 1906551 is effectively a duplicate of https://launchpad.net/bugs/1906552
[16:18] <mclemenceau> we talked about this one last week I believe
[16:22] <mclemenceau> ok let's leave it in here for now. Sounds like a low priority, potential Wish list
[16:22] <mclemenceau> let's look at proposed migration
[16:23] <mclemenceau> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[16:23] <mclemenceau> So without vorlon and with only a few days left, probably don't need to go through the entire list
[16:23] <mclemenceau> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[16:24] <mclemenceau> autoipkgtest are pretty full at the moment
[16:24] <mclemenceau> queues
[16:34] <rbalint> devpatch is still on my plate
[16:36] <mclemenceau> with only one day before the holiday, and current workload, probably not meaningful to add more to our plates..
[16:40] <mclemenceau> probably enough for today, that was longer than I thought the meeting would be :-)
[16:40] <mclemenceau> #topic AOB
[16:41] <mclemenceau> happy holidays everyone 🎄!
[16:42] <rbalint> happy holidays! \o/
[16:42] <mclemenceau> 🍷
[16:43] <rbalint> 🍷
[16:49] <mclemenceau> #endmeeting
[16:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 16:49:08 2020 UTC.
[16:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-12-17-16.04.moin.txt


[10:26] <frederikkunze> Hello, i tried to flash Snappy on a Raspberry 3 but it ended in being stuck in the gpu-check screen of the raspi. I did read that the problem exists since a few month is there any solution for it? I could not find any.
[11:31] <bitanarchy> I had a failed apt-get upgrade, complaining about missing module 4.4.0-31.generic
[11:33] <bitanarchy> Now I have a kept back package linux-image-c2


[19:26] <m-c> Have you seen a list online that puts, in one or two pages, many of the functions small businesses use with free software?  Such as the export to a PDF function of Open Office?  I am interested in making a promotional poster for libraries and small business centers.
[22:49] <candtalan> Hi there. Candtalan just testing - I am not a regular irc user so a test is useful
[22:50] <candtalan> it seems to work ok - thanks


[18:54] <rpadovani> nik90, will we have clock reboot session in 5 minutes?
[18:55] <nik90> rpadovani: yes
[18:55] <nik90> rpadovani: in appdev-1 btw
[18:58] <rpadovani> nik90, mhh, do you change today the room?  I imported the iCal file yesterday and my calendar says this room.. Thanks for the informatioN!


[18:37] <dreamon> hello is there a tutorial how to install 22.04 xubuntu on ssd and /home on a raid 1?
[21:44] <brenlae> hello - i just installed xubuntu 22.04 - it's great - i can't seem to stop my screen from turning off due to inactivity - i went through the power settings and set them appropriately - any thoughts?
[21:45] <brenlae> i suppose maybe turning off lock screen functions may work?
[21:45] <brenlae> hmmm
[21:47] <brenlae> ok i think i got it, heheh, have a nice day :)
[21:48] <genii> brenlae: I generally also do xset -dpms and xset s noblank 1
[21:49] <xu-help82w> Hi! Torrent link for Xubuntu 20.04 is not working (404 not found error). Please check it out.
[21:49] <genii> ah, too late
[21:52] <genii> xu-help82w: https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/xubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent from page https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04/release/ seems to work fine
[21:53] <xu-help82w> genii https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent from https://xubuntu.org/download/ does not!
[21:55] <genii> That link is from previous point release torrent which is now unavailable
[21:55] <genii> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent is the current one now
[21:56] <xu-help82w> genii I see. I just suggest correcting the link on the page.
[21:57] <genii> Which page did you reach the dead link from?
[21:57] <xu-help82w> https://xubuntu.org/download/
[22:02] <xu-help82w> Screen shot: https://imgur.com/a/XJFOHKJ
[22:03] <genii> I pointed out the issue in the development channel, likely someone will take a look at it soon
[22:04] <xu-help82w> Thank you pal
[22:06] <genii> I would suggest to probably use https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ as a jumping-off point for where known-current links are to be found
[22:23] <Unit193> I'm not part of the website team, but I think I made things better.


[02:49] <froq> HELLO!!!!!!
[03:02] <stlsaint> froq: sup
[06:59] <r4y> Hello, I have had this happen before but it has been a long time since I have seen this happen. So I downloaded the Wizard of OZ with the audio of the Dark Side of the Moon through a torrent because I heard about how they can be synced together.
[06:59] <bioterror> sounds like we have a pothead here
[06:59] <bioterror> :-------D
[06:59] <r4y> I just wanted to want it, but it won't play in SMplayer, no I am not a pot head, lol
[07:00] <r4y> So I opened it with Avidemux and when I click on the window it pops up and when I click on it again it pops down, so I have to use the keyboard to use avidemux
[07:01] <bioterror> use VLC for watching movies?
[07:02] <r4y> Ha, it's bioterror. I didn't realize it was you. I was only trying to type. I have used VLC before, but SMplayer had all I could want as far as I could tell when I had tried testing out different players
[07:02] <r4y> Not that I know any better
[07:02] <bioterror> if you have a HTPC kind of setup, go with the XBMC
[07:02] <bioterror> we used a Wizard of Oz VHS and DSoM CD ;)
[07:04] <r4y> By the way, I was able to skip commercials in videos from the website the Angry Video Game Nerd and the Nostalgia Critic are hosting from by using adblock
[07:04] <bioterror> firefox's adblock rules
[07:05] <r4y> I wasn't aware of how to use adblock, so I looked it up
[07:05] <r4y> HTPC and XBMC?, I will have to look them up
[07:06] <r4y> hardware?
[07:07] <r4y> I know that was vague.  OK, I have been Googling. TY you for arrowing it down, but does XBMC cost money?
[07:10] <bioterror> no
[07:10] <r4y> Cool. I will try it out sometime soon
[07:10] <bioterror> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_install_XBMC_for_Linux_on_Ubuntu,_a_Step-by-Step_Guide
[07:11] <r4y> I had this link but it says it is an unoffical way of installing:
[07:11] <r4y> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_install_XBMC_for_Linux_on_Ubuntu_with_a_minimal_installation,_an_unofficial_Step-by-Step_Guide
[07:11] <r4y> TY for the link
[07:13] <r4y> I don't know what else to say but thank you
[07:15] <r4y> I feel stupid about this, but what is XBMC. I found the wiki and I was reading it a little.
[07:18] <r4y> I found this:
[07:18] <r4y> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XBMC
[07:21] <r4y> Regarding the window jumping when I click on it, I just un-maximized it and I can now use Avidemux with my mouse.
[07:24] <r4y> I will try XBMC out though. I need to go soon though. Thank you for the help and sorry for all the chattering. I have had some coffee. Take care.
[21:03] <Bipul> bipul@bipul-desktop:~$ chown bipul /var/www/
[21:03] <Bipul> chown: changing ownership of `/var/www/': Operation not permitted
[21:03] <Bipul> what's wrong?
[21:04] <Unit193> Bipul: You will need to use sudo on that one (And you already went over the security of it)
[21:04] <Bipul> Means ?
[21:04] <Unit193> !sudo | sudo chown bipul /var/www/
[21:04] <ubot2> sudo chown bipul /var/www/: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[21:06] <bioterror> ;)))
[21:06] <Bipul> Unit193,  i want's to install http://www.xarg.org/project/jquery-webcam-plugin/ this file inside /var/www
[21:10] <Unit193> pm | Bipul
[21:10] <Unit193> !pm | Bipul
[21:10] <ubot2> Bipul: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first.
[21:10] <Bipul> bipul@bipul-desktop:~$ sudo chown bipul /var/www/
[21:10] <Bipul> bipul@bipul-desktop:~$ pwd
[21:10] <Bipul> /home/bipul
[21:11] <Unit193> Now     ls -l /var |grep www
[21:12] <Bipul> bipul@bipul-desktop:~$ ls -l /var |grep www
[21:12] <Bipul> drwxr-xr-x  2 bipul root  4096 2011-04-18 21:36 www
[21:14] <Bipul> ?
[21:15] <Unit193> Your user owns it while your group doesn't (I don't know if you want it)
[21:20] <holstein> Bipul: i wouldnt chown more than needed
[21:21] <Unit193> holstein: I agree, but they already talked about that a little :/
[21:22] <holstein> right... but chowning /var/www/whatever should be just fine
[21:23] <holstein> OR sudo moving the files, if thats the issue
[21:23] <holstein> Unit193: maybe this is just on a home network... that wouldnt be so bad then
[21:24] <Unit193> holstein: I don't think it is exactly :/  You may want to chip in your reasons for NOT chowning for this user!
[21:25] <holstein> same as you really... just security
[21:25] <holstein> you dont want to be copy/pasting sudo chown commands without knowing whats happening
[21:26] <Bipul> holstein,  yes that's true i dont know must about this command :)
[21:27] <Bipul> much*
[21:29] <bioterror> the first failure was to chown that /var/www
[21:29] <bioterror> honestly
[21:31] <mi6ail1234> Hello,I have a question
[21:33] <bioterror> !ask | mi6ail1234
[21:33] <ubot2> mi6ail1234: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[21:34] <mi6ail1234> My webcam (Philips SPC210NC) with other programs,but not with skype...how can i make to run properly
[21:34] <holstein> mi6ail1234: i would probably try an older (or newer if available) version of skype
[21:35] <mi6ail1234> Im with the latest version
[21:36] <holstein> cool.. so older then
[21:36] <holstein> assuming the camera is working, then i think its safe to assume its skype that is the issue, and theres really not much to be done about that since is closed
[21:39] <Bipul> holstein,  you there
[21:40] <holstein> whats up?
[21:40] <mi6ail1234> So i guess that there is no chance to make it run...thank you anyway
[21:40] <holstein> mi6ail1234: i have suggested the older version before with success
[21:40] <Bipul> holstein,  can i pm you
[21:40] <holstein> Bipul: sure
[21:41] <Bipul> thanks
[21:52] <mi6ail1234> i've tryed right now..but notting is appeared
[21:55] <holstein> mi6ail1234: i would probably just keep jumping around versions a bit
[21:55] <holstein> maybe try the windows version in wine?
[21:56] <holstein> nah... it doesnt get good ratings on wineHQ
[21:56] <mi6ail1234> well,It is a good idea,but i want everything to work natievly on ubuntu
[21:57] <holstein> mi6ail1234: maybe consider an alternative to skype then
[21:58] <mi6ail1234> :) Skype is a very popular program...i think that there is no alternative to skype especialy for Ubuntu
[21:59] <holstein> mi6ail1234: theres plenty that do *not* communicate with the skype user database
[22:00] <holstein> thats the biggest flaw really, thats they are not actually skype
[22:05] <mi6ail1234> Ok, How can I move taskbar form top to the bottom?
[22:06] <holstein> mi6ail1234: in unity?
[22:06] <holstein> AFAIK, you cant... in gnome, you right click on it, and you'll see properties
[22:06] <mi6ail1234> no,in gnome
[22:06] <holstein> i should say... you cant *yet*
[22:07] <mi6ail1234> Thank you..I did it.
[22:10] <Bipul> is there any one know  any application for video confreing on LAMP server runing on Ubuntu
[22:12] <mi6ail1234> I have some strange problem with sound..I have 5.1 sound system and in some movies i can't hear speech,but i can hear noises...when i switch to 4.0 it's working without subwoofer...i think that is not from movie
[22:13] <holstein> mi6ail1234: i would want to confirm the outputs are what they say they are
[22:13] <holstein> you cant trust the labels for the audio outs and ins
[22:15] <mi6ail1234> Right now i'm using Analog Surround 5.1 Output + Analog Stereo input
[22:15] <holstein> mi6ail1234: im an audio guy, but i only do stereo
[22:15] <holstein> i can say, you'll have to just do some trial and error to figure out whats what
[22:18] <mi6ail1234> and how can i do that?
[22:18] <holstein> plug something in... turn something on... test... unplug... repeat
[22:18] <holstein> look in alsamixer and *dont* trust those labels either
[22:19] <holstein> OR, just go stereo, and enjoy :)
[22:23] <mi6ail1234> Ok,thank you...that is all for now
[22:23] <mi6ail1234> Good night to everyone(here is 01:23 after midnight)
[22:29] <murcherson> hi folks i have been looking for an answer to this for ages and keep striking out, how do I open a launcher as admin, ie I open system settings and want to check my logs but when i click on icon i only get user access so how can i click on icon as an admin
[22:31] <bioterror> you get asked for password?
[22:32] <murcherson> no
[22:32] <murcherson> so i only get normal access
[22:33] <bioterror> you could edit the /usr/share/applications/application.desktop -file and add gksu before the application command
[22:33] <Newbster> Hello everyone, I just installed and trying out Ubuntu on a really old macbook, which is also my very first experience with Linux OS, and I like it a lot so far! I want to just apologize now for any stupid beginner questions that I might ask soon ;-)
[22:33] <murcherson> yeh but that means doing that for every launcher
[22:34] <bioterror> murcherson, why you want every application to be run as root?
[22:34] <murcherson> i dont
[22:34] <bioterror> you just said you want
[22:35] <murcherson> i just want to able to choose to open a launcher as admin if i wish
[22:35] <murcherson> instead of finding out launcher command name then going via terminal
[22:35] <bioterror> open terminal and use gksu/gksudo when you have need for that
[22:37] <bioterror> I'm not taking part in how gnome with unity works, but you can surely give them your improvement suggestion
[22:37] <bioterror> "Run as Admin..." :D
[22:37] <murcherson> thats what im looking for on a right click
[22:37] <murcherson> just no idea how to do
[22:43] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: have a moment for a quick PM?
[22:43] <pleia2> er, wrong channel :\


[01:34] <slangasek> is anyone here testing edubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntustudio?
[05:36] <slangasek> stgraber: is the edubuntu add-on test-case current?  I don't seem to get any pop-ups, at least under VMware.
[07:19] <soren> liw: Yes, kvm supports ACPI. However, whether it's enabled depends on a few things. If you invoke kvm from the command line, it's enabled by default. If you create your vm from virt-manager, you need to *not* choose either WinXP, Win2k, or MS-DOS as they all get ACPI switched off.
[07:20] <soren> liw: In mathiaz' domain definition ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/43423/ ), you can see <features><acpi /></features>.
[10:47] <liw> I have a broken hard disk on my desktop machine, and I don't know long it will take to get this fixed, so I do not know when I'll be able to resume ISO testing
[10:52] <heno_> liw: golden opportunity to by a SSD!
[10:52] <liw> heno_, I'm going to reinstall on a USB stick, actually :)
[10:52] <heno_> I just go a 128GB one - fast and quiet :)
[10:54] <liw> actual SSD disks seem too expensive for me at the moment, though, for the kinds of sizes I want on that machine (several hundreds of gigabytes)
[11:13] <heno_> liw: I combine it with a 500GB standard drive, for storing large stuff - the SSD was about £340
[11:32] <slangasek> does anyone here have time to test the edubuntu i386 addon today?
[11:34] <heno_> slangasek: I'll have a go
[11:34] <slangasek> great, thanks
[11:43] <heno_> gah, I'm getting no DL speed from cdimage ATM
[11:50] <liw> heno_, out of curiosity: what is the read and write speed like in your SSD?
[11:53] <heno_> liw: http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=55VL
[11:54] <liw> that is indeed pretty fast
[12:15] <heno_> The Edubuntu addon installer launches fine, but it does try to grab additional packages from the archive, rather than getting it all from the CD (which I assume it should)
[12:16] <heno_> and since the archive is dead slow for me now, it's taking some time ...
[12:17] <heno_> not an alpha-blocker IMO, but a bug that should be fixed <- slangasek
[12:17] <heno_> specifically it's the tex packages
[12:18] <heno_> I guess that's a seed or dependency bug - where should I file that?
[12:20] <heno_> cjwatson: ^ your view? also we should finally remove the WinFOSS stuff from there
[12:22] <cjwatson> heno_: could I have specific package names?
[12:24] <heno_> cjwatson: texlive-common, texlive-base-bin, texlive-doc-base at least
[12:25] <heno_> cjwatson: and tex-common I think
[12:26] <cjwatson> heno_: which package(s) did you ask it to install?
[12:28] <stgraber> slangasek: the testcase for edubuntu should be up to date as in I haven't heard of any change to the CD for a while. Maybe gnome-app-install behavior changed though.
[12:29] <heno_> cjwatson: edubuntu-desktop, via the addon auto-installer
[12:29] <cjwatson> stgraber: Steve rebuilt it this morning due to an update-manager bug
[12:29] <heno_> btw, changing to the main mirror helped fix the speed issue
[12:30] <stgraber> ok
[12:30] <heno_> so it's working fine now - but I think we should have a network-less test case for all CDs actually
[12:30]  * heno_ makes a note
[12:31] <cjwatson> heno_: very odd; it's not showing up in germinate
[12:32] <cjwatson> it's in all/all+extra (trivially), boot.build-depends, development, and installer.build-depends, but nothing that's in the chain from desktop-addon
[12:32] <heno_> cjwatson: could it be a quirk of me having it set to use the US mirror?
[12:32] <cjwatson> I can't think why
[12:33] <cjwatson> it could be some kind of dependency skew between different versions of some relevant package; but http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/trace/ shows the US mirror being up-to-date
[12:34] <liw> that's weird... my newly installed system has an empty -etc
[12:34] <liw> er, /etc
[12:34] <liw> with the hardy installer, though
[12:37] <termitor> hello
[12:37] <heno_> Anyway, the install completed successfully now, so I think it's good enough for alpha 5
[12:37] <termitor> have this bug "dpkg: ../../src/packages.c :221 : process_queue:  L'assertion « dependtry <= 4 » a échoué." someelse have solve it ?
[12:38] <termitor> root@proton:/home/termitor# dpkg -a --configure
[12:38] <termitor> dpkg: ../../src/packages.c :221 : process_queue:  L'assertion « dependtry <= 4 » a échoué.
[12:38] <termitor> Abandon (core dumped)
[12:38] <termitor> no cool
[12:39] <heno_> termitor: do you have a bug #? Looks like bug 264923 is a dupe of it
[12:40] <lirel> hi, when i rsync the current amd64 intrepid livecd i get this checksum 1ed0adc89cac5e3357a6661f4f3685fd which is not reported in the MD5SUMS file, should i download it again, or is the MD5SUMS file out of sync?
[12:43] <termitor> heno_: i'm use chroot for dist-upgrade
[12:44] <heno_> ok
[12:44] <termitor> heno_: but now , i'm on intrepid (boot on)
[12:54] <termitor> heno_: remove cups solve the bug for me
[12:55] <heno_> termitor: ok, sounds like a different problem then (or at least triggered differently)
[13:11] <lirel> okay, the file i had was corrupted
[16:00] <sbeattie> heno_: does the SSD improve on the disk access speed issue you were seeing with multiple vms running at the same time?
[16:01] <heno_> sbeattie: not sure - I've only tried two at once so far
[16:02] <heno_> having a read-from (isos) and write-to disc (vm images) will probably help
[16:02] <heno_> a raid setup may not be needed
[16:03] <heno_> I'll set it up to read from the plate drive and write to the SSD I think
[16:04] <sbeattie> okay, let me know how it goes, as I was seeing the same issue running 4 vms on a quad core machine.
[16:10] <cody-somerville> Hey
[16:10] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu needs some amd64 folks to help test :-) please.
[16:59] <sbeattie> cody-somerville: is it known and expected that usplash has the ubuntu logo rather than xubuntu?
[16:59] <cody-somerville> It is a known issue :-]
[17:09] <sbeattie> aiee, large fonts!


[00:36] <kdub> yay, found a way to break ms::Surface : public renderable, public surfacetarget
[02:05] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, anyone around?
[05:43] <tvoss_> JoseeAntonioR, ping


[00:04] <Fudge> anyay to fix this Warning: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[00:12] <penguin42> I suspect it's to unset one of them
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:46] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:55] <Vbitz> morning BluesKaj
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi Vbitz


[08:49] <djszapi> I guess, if I us upstart, I do not need the /etc/init.d/cups any longer, just starting it from an upstart apps job, right ?
[10:40] <toabctl> how can i source a file (from /etc/default) in a upstart "script" section?
[14:42] <djszapi> Where can I find the debian/rules-like for ubuntu/cups ?
[14:42] <djszapi> I would like to check out how they solve this package with upstart stuff.
[17:25] <JanC> djszapi: do you have an ubuntu system?
[17:28] <JanC> on an Ubuntu system you can do "apt-get source cups"
[17:30] <JanC> if you don't have Ubuntu, the source package is available in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cups/  (you probably want the original tarbal & the diff)
[18:09] <djszapi> hi Keybuk
[18:09] <Keybuk> hey
[18:09] <Keybuk> how's it going?
[18:10] <djszapi> I have a small issue as usual :)
[18:10] <djszapi> about upstart and deb packaging...
[18:10] <djszapi> how about you ?
[18:10] <Keybuk> I'm good
[18:10] <djszapi> excellent =)
[18:10] <Keybuk> I'm only my first cup of coffee, and I already know why CrOS comes up with "Unaccelerated graphics" after my CL
[18:10] <Keybuk> today is going to be a good day, I can tell
[18:12] <djszapi> cool, Keybuk, I do not understand one thing about upstart
[18:13] <Keybuk> what is that one thing?
[18:14] <djszapi> we use subfolders inside the /etc/init/ directory on maemo
[18:14] <djszapi> and not just jobs inside /etc/init/ directly.
[18:14] <Keybuk> sure
[18:14] <djszapi> and debian/ubuntu developers keep telling me that it is odd
[18:14] <djszapi> no idea why
[18:15] <Keybuk> they're wrong
[18:16] <djszapi> have you ever used cdbs style for debian package creation ?
[18:17] <Keybuk> not purposefully
[18:17] <Keybuk> I've had to patch packages that use it, and that was painful enough
[18:19] <djszapi> mmh, my fresh debian-devel ml question is not online yet, but you can find it here: http://paste.kde.org/74185/
[18:26] <Keybuk> right, debhelper
[18:26] <Keybuk> dh_installinit isn't anything to do with cdbs, except that cdbs happens to use it
[18:26] <Keybuk> it's certainly a valid debhelper patch to support installing to sub-directories of /etc/init
[18:26] <Keybuk> you might have to be creative
[18:26] <Keybuk> e.g. dh_installinit --name=apps!foo
[18:27] <Keybuk> and have debian/cups.app!foo.upstart
[18:27] <djszapi> nope read again
[18:27] <djszapi> I tried to set the
[18:27] <djszapi> "--onlyscripts" option
[18:32] <djszapi> so it should not install any init script/job with that and i could make a workaround from the postinst script without changing the packaging style
[18:33] <Keybuk> you don't want that option
[18:33] <Keybuk> that still installs the scripts
[18:33] <Keybuk> you want to not run dh_installinit
[18:41] <djszapi>        -o, --onlyscripts
[18:41] <djszapi>            Only modify postinst/postrm/prerm scripts, do not actually install any init script, default files, or upstart job.  May be useful if the init script or upstart job is shipped and/or installed by upstream in a
[18:41] <djszapi>            way that doesn't make it easy to let dh_installinit find it.
[18:41] <djszapi> Keybuk ^
[18:42] <djszapi> from man dh_installinit
[18:42] <Keybuk> the doc is wrong
[18:42] <Keybuk> I think
[18:44] <djszapi> can that happen ?
[18:44] <Keybuk> can documentation be wrong?
[18:44] <Keybuk> sure
[18:45] <djszapi> well, it is worth to report it as soon as possible then.
[18:46] <Keybuk> Debian is --> that way ;-)
[18:46] <djszapi> what way ?
[18:47] <Keybuk> --> that way
[18:47] <djszapi> ??
[18:47] <Keybuk> I just mean that the appropriate place to file that report is with Debian, not here
[18:48] <djszapi> oh yeah, sure.
[18:48] <djszapi> are you also at the meego summit in San Francisco ? :D:D
[18:48] <Keybuk> I shouldn't imagine so
[18:48] <Keybuk> I don't have any vacation time left this year
[18:49] <djszapi> well, cdbs is buggy
[18:50] <djszapi> DEB_DH_INSTALLINIT_ARGS = --name=nonexistent -> I have just tried out this advice, but I still get the /etc/init.d/cups and I do not know why
[18:50] <Keybuk> no idea
[18:51] <djszapi> seems there is no way to avoid the debhelper usage.
[22:14] <SpamapS> djszapi: there's some planned work happening in Debian to make that you're struggling with a little easier.
[22:15] <SpamapS> Keybuk is probably right.. you will have to manually put your upstart job and init.d script in place until dh_installinit is modified.


[00:19]  * apachelogger waves fist at slow lunchpad
[00:28] <apachelogger> freenode is totally boring tonight -.-
[01:03] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'm trying to remember what you asked, what I answered and why you asked why not
[01:48] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: good, because I had to remember what you answered to :P
[01:49] <apachelogger> since apparently I started the conversation I'd argue it had to do with prn or I could easily draw a connection
[01:50] <apachelogger> oh right
[01:50] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it was about whether you can commit prn upstream to cause a riot
[02:22] <Daskreech> prn?
[02:23] <apachelogger> documentation porn
[02:24] <Daskreech> ah nice
[02:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ahh, right. No. I cannot commit anything upstream anywhere yet.
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> I like my new computer. Just waiting to get my SSD tomorrow so I can finish setting up my system.
[02:30] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: so.... why not? :P
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> Ummmmmm. Because I have not actually sent anything upstream
[02:31] <apachelogger> zomg
[02:31] <apachelogger> postpone the work item then :P
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> It's a time thing. Yeah, i need to start contributing to upstream more.
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> Are going to want a meeting prior to UDS to hash out what we want to cover at UDS?
[02:47] <apachelogger> if someone bothers to organize one
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> After tomorrow I'll have my email back. I'll set one up.
[04:13] <ScottK> Shouldn't you have a pre-meeting for that to make sure it's well organized?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: LOL Yeah, prolly but, you never know :P
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You still awake?
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> Wow, Kubuntu detected the 3G modem in this thing.
[06:02] <txwikinger> why do I alsways have to remove .kde after upgrade?
[06:02] <txwikinger> That is ridiculous
[06:05] <txwikinger> where are all the knetworkmanager info stored?
[06:15] <txwikinger> found it
[08:30] <shadeslayer> \o
[08:37] <valorie> speaking of networkmanager, has anyone else noticed that since 4.7, nmgr no long auto-connects?
[08:37] <valorie> or is it just me
[08:38] <valorie> really annoying when I forget that I have to click the wireless in the menu Every Time
[08:40] <Mamarok> works here
[08:41] <shadeslayer> valorie: wfm as well
[08:42] <valorie> hmmm, it was brand new behavior with 4.7
[08:42] <valorie> but only on this laptop -- netbook is normal
[08:53] <bambee> morning
[08:53] <shadeslayer> hey bambee
[08:53] <bambee> Could a kubuntu dev upload kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu4 please ? (see lp:~kubuntu-packagers)
[08:54] <bambee> kde-workspace-4.7.1-0ubuntu4 == patches cherry-picked from upstream + A fix for inotify_add_watch
[09:04] <bambee> rbelem: poke me if you want some help to fix mobile-settings, I need this fix to get kubuntu-low-fat-settings working on my ac100 :)
[09:05] <bambee> I mean, I've time :)
[09:25]  * shadeslayer noms a cookie and looks around
[10:38] <ryanakca> Mamarok: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-243-berlin-released
[10:39] <ryanakca> Mamarok: An image should show up momentarily.
[10:42] <ryanakca> Mamarok: There.
[10:44] <ryanakca> ScottK: Our image uploading RT is complete. At some point somebody (i.e. me, unless someone volunteers) will have to go through all of the past news stories and move the images to www.k.o
[10:44] <ScottK> ryanakca: Cool.
[11:15] <Mamarok> ryanakca: thanks a lot!
[11:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will take a look on that
[11:42] <rbelem> bambee, which changes need to be done? :-)
[11:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, rsalveti confirmed that we can build linaro images from a ppa :-D
[11:43] <bambee_> rbelem: startkde overrides KDEDIRS on netbooks/mobiles , it conflicts with /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat
[11:44] <rbelem> bambee_, hum... lets fix that
[11:44] <bambee_> in apachelogger's opinion KDEDIRS should not be exported from startkde
[11:44] <rbelem> bambee_, how do i get /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat
[11:44] <rbelem> ?
[11:45] <bambee_> rbelem: apt-get source kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[11:45] <rbelem> bambee_, i agree with that
[11:46] <bambee_> me too
[11:48]  * rbelem starts to take a look on startkde
[11:49] <bambee_> rbelem: the problem is 50lowfat is executed before startkde :)
[11:50] <bambee_> if startkde is invoked with "netbook" or "mobile" as first argument, KDEDIRS is overriden and then lowfat is not used
[11:51] <rbelem> bambee_, lets remove 50lowfat from /etc/X11/Xsession.d and create an entry in the startkubuntu script
[11:51] <rbelem> what do you think?
[11:52] <bambee_> I don't know what startkubuntu is... do you have a link or something?
[11:53] <rbelem> bambee_, it would be a script containing the modifications that currently are in startkde
[11:53] <bambee_> ok
[11:53] <bambee_> it could be a solution... :)
[11:53] <rbelem> bambee_, nice :-)
[11:54] <rbelem> bambee_, i will move the stuff to it and then i paste it to you
[11:54] <bambee_> awesome! thanks
[11:55] <rbelem> :-)
[11:57] <bambee_> in this way no modifications would made to startkde ? (except bugfixes)
[12:10] <rbelem> bambee_, yup :-)
[12:10] <rbelem> bambee_, it would be nice if we could upstream these bugfixes
[12:27] <bambee_> rbelem: don't compute fixes for netbook and mobile are not upstream
[12:29] <rbelem> oki
[13:06] <txwikinger> Why do we always have to rm .kde after an upgrade?
[13:06] <txwikinger> That is not very user-friendly for the non-technical user
[13:14] <apachelogger> we don't
[13:18] <bambee_> rbelem: what is the link you pasted yesterday about kubuntu-mobile ? (on LP)
[13:21] <bambee_> apachelogger: can you upload the lastest kde-workspace ? and then you will get cookies and cholocate :P
[13:21] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I had too.. at least three important processes die with seg fault when I don't
[13:21] <txwikinger> among them plasma-shell
[13:21] <shadeslayer> i haven't rm -rf'd my .kde for the past 3 upgrades ...
[13:21] <apachelogger> it might make more sense to backtrace them rather than remove .kde?
[13:22] <txwikinger> well.. I renamed it and now add config files one by one from the old one
[13:22] <txwikinger> Still very tedious
[13:22] <txwikinger> I could not even file a bug since it complained kded was not running
[13:23] <txwikinger> (with the backtrace)
[13:23] <bambee_> o.O
[13:23] <apachelogger> doesnt compute
[13:24]  * apachelogger is actually reasonable certain that plasma crashed due to python plasmoids
[13:26] <txwikinger> I doubt I was running any plasmoids
[13:26] <txwikinger> I don't think I added any of those (barring the standard configuration in maverick)
[13:27] <txwikinger> I really only changed the colours
[13:37] <rbelem> bambee_, hum... i dont recall right now
[13:39] <apachelogger> new project for mobile settings
[13:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: btw, maybe you can somehow get arm building for the kubuntu active ppa
[13:41] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think we can :-) i will ask rsalveti about this
[13:41] <apachelogger> awesome, thanks
[13:41] <rbelem> :-D
[13:41] <bambee_> mhhh... I could test plasma-active on my ac100...
[13:43] <apachelogger> you'll need to build workspace, runtime, and plasma-mobile
[13:46]  * txwikinger has an mx51 dev board and a screen for it
[13:46] <CIA-130> [calligra] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* (34 files in 4 dirs) koffice -> calligra \o/
[13:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki :-)
[13:54] <txwikinger> apachelogger: btw.. I tested the defunc issue in kubuntu-notification-helper.. It is definitely fixed now !!
[13:55] <apachelogger> of course it is ... apachelogger looked into it :)
[13:55] <txwikinger> hehe
[13:56] <txwikinger> Well.. it took about a year ;p
[13:57] <apachelogger> there is only one apachelogger
[13:57] <shadeslayer> and a billion bugs?
[13:57] <apachelogger> at least
[13:57] <txwikinger> Well.. if y'all would have more automatic testing
[13:57] <txwikinger> And not produce bugs in the first place ;)
[14:01] <bambee_> apachelogger: don't you want cookies ? :(
[14:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you should definitely order one of these : http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=TKT-ICECREAMCORN&Category_Code=ALLSHIRTS
[14:06] <apachelogger> bambee_: no, shadeslayer keeps harassing me
[14:06] <shadeslayer> what
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what I shoudl order is a fez
[14:07] <apachelogger> you'd not believe how difficult it is to find a high quality fez on the intartubes
[14:07] <bambee_> tss
[14:07] <shadeslayer> but a fez does not have unicorns
[14:07] <apachelogger> it can
[14:07] <shadeslayer> it can, but no one puts unicorns on a fez on the intratubes
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: googlez it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nothing interesting pop's out
[14:14] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: didja get my email?
[14:14] <shadeslayer> or did google eat it thinking it was a part of its birthday cake
[15:00] <cnd> ScottK, I don't know if Jussi (Satoris) brought this up with the kubuntu devs yet, but we have a fix for bug 805972
[15:00] <cnd> if you have another upload before release it would be good to get it in
[15:01] <jussi> bah, non highlights :(
[15:01] <cnd> sorry jussi :)
[15:01] <ScottK> cnd: Great.  I know that bug.
[15:01] <ScottK> We definitely need to get it in.
[15:02] <ScottK> cnd: The current armel build should finish later today, so we could upload it tomorrow if you're ready.
[15:02] <ScottK> didrocks: ^^^
[15:03] <didrocks> oh nice :)
[15:03]  * didrocks was poking around this issue as well ;)
[15:05] <ScottK> didrocks: Would you please coordinate with cnd about getting this together?
[15:06] <didrocks> ScottK: sure, will do for a tomorrow upload
[15:06] <cnd> didrocks, do you need anything from me?
[15:06] <cnd> or is the patch in the bug sufficient
[15:07] <ScottK> How about signature in blood somewhere this won't cause regressions?
[15:09] <didrocks> +1 on ScottK :)
[15:09] <didrocks> cnd: is that something upstreamable? if so, is there a merge request?
[15:09] <cnd> didrocks, I'm not sure what to do with upstream
[15:10] <cnd> at this point
[15:10] <cnd> it's clearly broken on X, but it's something that Qt probably wants to get fixed properly
[15:10] <cnd> but it will conflict with what we want to do in the future too (smooth scrolling through utouch, with extra physics stuff like momentum)
[15:11] <cnd> so it probably wouldn't hurt to point it out to them, but I don't know if this specific patch would ever be merged
[15:11] <cnd> triggering it is also dependent on the XInput multitouch support
[15:11] <cnd> which can't be upstreamed until X.org upstream has multitouch support
[15:12] <cnd> so there's quite a chain here :)
[15:12] <cnd> fwiw, the patch is merely commenting out two lines of code that subscribe to pan gestures, so it's well contained and simple
[15:13] <didrocks> cnd: ok, got it
[15:13] <cnd> ScottK, didrocks: this may need to be SRUd for natty too
[15:14]  * cnd will be biab
[15:22] <maco> didrocks: you the second half of your nick!
[15:22] <didrocks> maco: heh, thanks :)
[15:23] <maco> didrocks: thanks for fixing that thing in the unity lens
[15:24] <Riddell> hmm, I think I killed muon with my upgrade, it's just giving me the busy cursor
[15:27] <CIA-130> [packaging] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (7 files) more complete install and use wildcards where sensible
[15:30] <apachelogger> man that is a PITA
[15:44] <ScottK> didrocks: I think the pressure patch from yesterday needs to be SRU'ed too, so those two patches together ...
[15:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: It'd be nice if that commit message mentioned what package you were working on.
[15:45] <apachelogger> tell that to bzr
[15:47] <ScottK> Tell that to the guy that set up our branch naming plan ...
[15:47] <ScottK> (which actually I quite like)
[15:48] <apachelogger> the commit message has nothing to do with the branch naming
[15:48] <apachelogger> but with my local directory name
[15:48] <apachelogger> which happens to be packaging right now
[15:48] <apachelogger> iff it were using the remote name it'd be called calligra :P
[16:03] <ScottK> I see.
[16:07] <micahg> ScottK: kdesdk won't happen before next week from me, so reassign if necessary
[16:12] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:22] <didrocks> ScottK: sorry, didn't follow it, Satoris' patch you mean, for a natty SRU?
[16:24] <ScottK> Was the the Krita related one from yesterday?
[16:24] <ScottK> If so, yes.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i bought a CD today, should be able to test the final release now
[16:26] <ScottK> Great.
[16:27] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, ok, I'll do the SRU once we are in hard freeze if you don't mind, things are a little bit crazy until then as you saw by the number of FFe I guess :)
[16:28] <ScottK> OK.
[16:36] <bambee> ScottK: by our default install... you mean... kubuntu-desktop ?
[16:36] <ScottK> Yes
[16:36] <bambee> because I installed oneiric on my ac100 few days ago, folderview is installed...
[16:37] <apachelogger> oh
[16:37] <apachelogger> time
[16:37]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[16:37] <apachelogger> why you be so wasted
[16:37] <apachelogger> G
[16:37] <DarkwingDuck> I hate this bug.
[16:38] <CIA-130> [packaging] Harald Sitter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/ (108 files in 4 dirs) TODO: think about the following packages: - kformula - fold in calligra-libs? rename to eg calligra-formulashape? - kplato - provide transitional package (once upstream fully renames it to "plan")?
[16:39] <apachelogger> ah wth
[16:39]  * apachelogger is to tired to pursue this
[16:39] <bambee> ScottK: I used this script (which uses rootstock), see the "--seed" option http://paste.kde.org/127849/
[16:40] <bambee> to summarize : I use kubuntu-desktop,oem-config-kde,kubuntu-low-fat-settings in the package set -> and folderview is installed
[16:40] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[16:40] <ScottK> I thought we removed it ...
[16:42] <apachelogger> no we didn't
[16:42] <apachelogger> upstream did
[16:42] <bambee> no
[16:42] <apachelogger> KDS still has it
[16:42] <bambee> upstream did? o.O
[16:43] <bambee> folderview is the... only one plasmoid that I use on my desktop... :(
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the CD still doesn't boot btw
[16:43] <shadeslayer> i get a cannot find live file system error
[16:43] <shadeslayer> that i'm sure is reported somewhere
[17:14] <bambee> mhhh plasmoids buttons/checkboxes are unclickable on the ac100
[17:14] <bambee> don't know if the problem is armel specific or just on the ac100... :\
[17:30] <ScottK> I'd ask Gruemaster.
[17:40] <ScottK> kdepimlibs/pim/pim-runtime ought to get updated to the 4.7 branch head ...
[18:12] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: FFe what? the fixes of rekonq?
[18:31] <yofel> bulldog98_: looking at the changelog 0.7.0 -> 0.7.90 doesn't look like a bugfix update
[18:32] <shadeslayer> it most certainly is not
[18:50] <pythonsnake> bulldog98_: congratz :-)
[18:53] <bulldog98_> pythonsnake: thx
[19:17] <BarkingFish> Goodly evenlode all :)
[19:18] <BarkingFish> I'm in one of those types of moods today, everything is funny :D   I need some help from the devs side at the moment - it's support, yes, but it's dev support.
[19:19] <BarkingFish> I've rebuilt one of the modules for my kernel using basic instructions I picked up on the net - the module won't go into the kernel though, because it argues about an unknown symbol in the module.
[19:20] <BarkingFish> What I need to sorta find out is, what have I done wrong?  I have the headers for the kernel installed, I've written a basic makefile for the build, and I generate a .ko which modinfo can read perfectly well
[19:31] <bambee_> http://paste.kde.org/128047/  o.O
[19:36] <bulldog98> bambee_: nice output
[19:36] <bulldog98> thing is somehow systemtray only works, if you have it one time added in plasma
[19:38] <bambee_> Does anyone have an ARM device ?
[19:53] <bulldog98> bambee_: my N8, but it’s running symbian
[19:53] <BarkingFish> bambee_, I think my old iPAQ is ARM or StrongARM, one of the two.
[19:54] <BarkingFish> speaking of which, any clues on the module building doodad? Surely you guys must build modules for stuff that goes into the current kernels :)
[19:54] <BarkingFish> I'm sure I built it right, which makes me wonder why it's going wrong.
[19:54] <yofel> ask that the folks in #ubuntu-kernel (no, no support), the most I build for the kernel are nvidia modules
[19:55] <BarkingFish> okies yofel
[19:55] <yofel> BarkingFish: natty or oneiric?
[19:55] <BarkingFish> natty, yofel
[19:55] <BarkingFish> i built it against 2.6.38-11-generic
[19:56] <yofel> you could poke in #ubuntu-beginners, if someone of that level is online
[19:57] <BarkingFish> I sorta know what I'm doing, but just not why the module is going mental on me.  I'll drop a note in -kernel first
[20:26] <BarkingFish> yofel - just to let you know, it's all good now...  I realised afterwards , that i'd been an ID 10 T :)
[20:26] <yofel> what was wrong? ^^
[20:26] <BarkingFish> I built the module against the wrong dang kernel.  I have 2.6.38-11-generic and generic-pae in the system
[20:26] <BarkingFish> i had generic-pae running, but built it against generic
[20:27] <ejat> yofel: if im in unity .. should i add akonadi to startup for me to use kontact on unity ?
[20:27] <BarkingFish> i just rebuilt it against generic-pae and insmod'd it, it's gone in fine, and my iPAQ is registering :)
[20:28] <ejat> KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now.
[20:28] <ejat> The error was:
[20:28] <ejat> Failed to fetch the resource collection.
[20:28] <yofel> ejat: not sure actually, I would think akonadi would start by itself, but if it doesn't you'll need to start it somehow
[20:28] <ejat> is it becoz of the akonadi cause that ?
[20:29] <yofel> I don't use kontact myself, but with that error I would check in ~/.xsession-errors for something akonadi related
[20:33] <ejat> :(
[20:49] <ejat> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698111/
[20:51] <ejat> any idea ?
[20:52] <yofel> nope, never seen that
[20:52] <yofel> someone else?
[20:55] <ScottK> Seen that.
[20:55] <ScottK> Fiddled and reinstalled stuff until it magically worked.
[20:55] <ScottK> NFK what fixed it.
[20:57] <ejat> ScottK: means ?
[20:57] <ejat> purge then reinstall ?
[20:57] <ejat> what package ?
[20:57] <ScottK> It means I've seen it, but I don't have any useful advice.
[20:57] <ejat> :(
[20:58] <ScottK> IIRC I created a new user and copied all the akonadi configs over from it (~/.local and ~/.kde/share/config)
[20:58] <ScottK> That might have been what did it.
[20:58] <ejat> owh ..
[21:08] <allee> nm-plasmoid + vpnc broken in oneiric?  Worked here since karmic without problem but not in oneiric.
[21:14] <ScottK> I think there's a multi-arch issue.
[21:22] <allee> oneiric broken: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698128/   natty working: http://paste.ubuntu.com/698129
[21:32] <ScottK> Ask slangasek.


[09:01] <ochosi> morning all
[09:01] <ochosi> status quo of the LO icons: http://i.imgur.com/gjTOzqG.png
[10:35] <knome> ochosi, pleia2: http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=3352&preview=true
[10:59] <knome> ochosi, pleia2: ygm re: derivative questionnaire
[11:20] <ochosi> knome: nice! from my pov you can publish that page as is
[11:21] <ochosi> form looks good to me too
[11:21] <ochosi> so +2 from me
[12:02] <knome> ochosi, even with the "abc" "def" "ghi" list?
[12:02] <knome> i still want input from you and sean for the packages
[12:14] <ochosi> you mean the fact that the list is collapsed or the list of packages?
[12:15] <ochosi> oh, i thought those things were clickable :)
[12:15] <ochosi> didn't really give it too much thought, just read the text
[12:16] <ochosi> re: packages: what is ldm-xubuntu-theme?
[12:17] <knome> Description-en: Xubuntu theme for the LTSP Display Manager LDM is an ssh based X11 display manager, this package contains the Xubuntu theme for LDM.
[12:17] <ochosi> i guess x-d-s contains some branded stuff like the launchers for the menu for the website etc., but yeah, that one feels like ppl can use it
[12:18] <ochosi> ok, i have no idea what LDM is and who made that package
[12:18] <knome> i wouldn't be awfully sorry if we moved that stuff to another package
[12:18] <knome> "LTSP Display Manager"
[12:18] <knome> Maintainer: Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:18] <ochosi> even with xubuntu-icon-theme i'm not sure
[12:18] <ochosi> i mean yeah, the distributor logo. but again, could be moved
[12:18] <knome> well that's why i'm asking...
[12:19] <ochosi> in the end though i'm not sure whether this is really worth it
[12:19] <knome> it would make me feel warm inside if that helps :]
[12:19] <ochosi> for one, it's easy enough to modify a package for derivatives
[12:19] <knome> well basically,
[12:19] <knome> it would also make the maintaining for us easier
[12:19] <ochosi> not sure
[12:19] <knome> if you remember that i've been talking about slight changes to the logo
[12:19] <ochosi> initially it'd be work
[12:20] <ochosi> yeah
[12:20] <knome> this way we only would need to maintain/change one package
[12:20] <knome> instead of poking many many
[12:20] <ochosi> you mean "xubuntu-branding"?
[12:20] <knome> why not
[12:20] <knome> but sure, i understand the other side too
[12:20] <knome> it IS work
[12:20] <ochosi> right, i'd say discuss that with sean, since he'd be the one doing the heavy lifting
[12:21] <knome> and for example, i don't think we should overcomplicate this for us and start ripping branding off the documentation
[12:21] <ochosi> yeah
[12:21] <knome> because that would also mean that we should limit ourselves to not mention the name xubuntu in the docs either
[12:21] <knome> that is just not realistic
[12:21] <knome> moving the start page to a separate package, however, might be sensible
[12:22] <knome> but then i don't know how much difference it would make (except that the start page points to our support channels, so we wouldn't want derivatives to ship that even if shipping the docs would be okay)
[12:23] <ochosi> i'm ok with any changes that make you feel warm inside as long as i don't have to do the work. and as it happens, this is all in bluesabre's, Unit193's and Noskcaj's department (packaging)
[12:23] <knome> haha
[12:23] <knome> yeah, it's not a big thing
[12:24] <knome> and doesn't have to happen overnight
[12:24] <ochosi> so for now i guess if you wanna take those guidelines seriously, the package list is fine as is
[12:24] <knome> it can be a slow transition that gets done while we do other modifications to the packages
[12:24] <ochosi> thing is, even the package names contain the name "xubuntu"
[12:24] <knome> heh
[12:24] <knome> yeah...
[12:24] <knome> but as we've discussed
[12:25] <knome> the point is not to police derivatives literally (as you imply)
[12:25] <ochosi> i really don't wanna rename them to "bluesabres-preferred-settings"
[12:25] <knome> it's just to point out that this is our ideal situation
[12:25] <knome> but they aren't his, they're mine!
[12:25] <ochosi> :)
[12:43] <knome> wow, that package (ldm-xubuntu-theme) has an ancient xubuntu logo
[12:44] <ochosi> can we sue them?
[12:44] <knome> likely not
[12:44] <knome> :(
[12:45] <ochosi> (and yeah, i'm not really surprised that a package neither you nor i really knew about is outdated..)
[12:45] <knome> i wonder if it really would be a big loss if there wasn't a "xubuntu" LTSP login theme
[12:46] <knome> This package was created by Vagrant Cascadian<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:46] <knome> in December of 2007.
[12:47] <ochosi> i presume many would (silently) weep
[12:48] <knome> i wouldn't want to keep it as is, because old logos are eww, but i wouldn't want to refresh it, because more maintaining is aargh
[16:16] <pleia2> knome: lgtm
[16:17] <pleia2> once we have the list of packages, of course
[16:18] <knome> yep
[16:18] <knome> so maybe also time to publish the "developers" menu then
[16:19] <pleia2> survey looks good too
[16:19] <pleia2> yeah
[16:24] <knome> bbl ->
[16:24] <pleia2> see you
[20:39] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Are we ok with making libxfce4panel-2.0-dev not depend on xfce4-panel-dev? debian's completely splilt the two packages
[20:39] <Noskcaj> *split
[21:48] <knome> bluesabre, oi! i found another dvd that plays on vlc, but problems on parole
[21:50] <ochosi> knome: so what does parole do/sayß
[21:50] <ochosi> ?
[21:51] <knome> gstreamer warning/criticals on stdout
[21:52] <knome> ui just freezes, eg. shows a black screen when the chapter should begin
[21:58] <ochosi> hm, usually it's just gstreamer
[21:58] <ochosi> i guess (still) the only way to test that hypothesis is installing totem
[21:59] <knome> just a minute
[22:01] <knome> nope, doesn't seem to work with totem either
[22:01] <knome> looks like the same warnings/criticals
[22:06] <ochosi> ok, i guess then it's time for an upstream gstreamer bugreport
[22:06] <knome> i guess so
[22:06] <knome> i'll worry about that later
[22:35] <Jesuwope> I installed Xubuntu but it hadn't asked me to set a root password.  How do I go about logging in to root??
[22:35] <knome> Jesuwope, don't.
[22:35] <knome> Jesuwope, use sudo
[22:35] <knome> !rootsudo | Jesuwope
[22:36] <Jesuwope> fine, thanks.
[22:37] <knome> and generally, support at #xubuntu
[22:38] <Jesuwope> oh
[22:38] <Jesuwope> what about that graphical Xubuntu software install app
[22:38] <Jesuwope> will that work with my normal user password?
[22:38] <knome> yes.
[22:39] <Jesuwope> ok
[22:39] <knome> but please, let's keep the support questions on #xubuntu
[22:39] <Jesuwope> ok


[09:42] <mup> Bug #1868868 changed: UI: bonding NICs on different VLAN causes ambiguous error <sts> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1868868>
[16:33] <mup> Bug #1945216 opened: Nagios VM fails deployment with loading ephemeral <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945216>
[16:39] <mup> Bug #1945216 changed: Nagios VM fails deployment with loading ephemeral <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945216>
[16:42] <mup> Bug #1945216 opened: Nagios VM fails deployment with loading ephemeral <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1945216>


[22:27] <chris4585> wrst, this is sort of good news for gnome, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/gnome-shell-38-to-get-classic-mode.html
[23:05] <vychune> HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[23:06] <vychune> do yall know how to install a keyboard layout?
[23:07] <chris4585> hey vychune
[23:07] <chris4585> uh, not really but I'm sure google would lol
[23:08] <vychune> google has no idea
[23:10] <vychune> how you been dude?
[23:15] <chris4585> I'm good vychune thanks, how are you?
[23:16] <vychune> ok besides th fact that this netbook is getting on my nerves
[23:16] <chris4585> which netbook?
[23:17] <vychune> hp 210 mini
[23:17] <vychune> and im not a fan of unity
[23:18] <chris4585> I don't think anyone really is in here
[23:20] <chris4585> vychune, are the fn keys inverted or something like that?
[23:21] <vychune> yeah
[23:21] <vychune> thats not the issue
[23:21] <vychune> some keys arent working
[23:25] <chris4585> vychune, does this help any? http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=dk&lc=da&dlc=da&docname=c02035108
[23:25] <chris4585> I can't seem to find a real solution
[23:27] <chris4585> dude there seems to be a lot of issues on that laptop
[23:27] <chris4585> that is why I don't ever buy hp :/ especially for laptops
[23:27] <vychune> i wont
[23:29] <chris4585> fixing it for a friend or something?
[23:31] <vychune> yeah
[23:31] <chris4585> gotcha, can't say I didn't look :/
[23:33] <vychune> you probably saw every i did
[23:33] <vychune> bs
[23:34] <chris4585> yeah no solution without really hunting it down yourself
[23:34] <vychune> thanks for trying
[23:34] <chris4585> np
[23:55] <vychune> im gonna use an onscreen  keyboard
[23:56] <chris4585> :/