[02:25] <mwhudson> is there a thing that can show you which source packages build-depend on a particular package?
[02:25] <mwhudson> apt-cache rbuild-depends, except existing
[02:25] <jtaylor> reverse-depends -b, though it outputs binary packages
[02:26] <jtaylor> source you probably have to use grep-dctrl
[02:28] <mwhudson> jtaylor: good enough, thanks
[05:22] <Mirv> pitti`: thanks, I see you've updated cssutils which probably means powerpc caliber build would now succeed. trying.
[05:23] <Mirv> libre, even
[05:49] <pitti> Good morning
[06:03] <Tribaal> hi all! I'm super happy to see an update to chromium this morning :)
[06:03] <Tribaal> thanks for the hard work!
[07:46] <dholbach> good morning
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please merge filezilla? http://paste.ubuntu.com/8936186/
[08:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm the previous uploader, should I open a bug?
[08:35] <pitti> ^ doing (but he's offline now)
[08:36] <pitti> nope, patch whitespace is totally garbled
[08:38] <pitti> wgrant: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190079241/upload_6489523_log.txt → is there any way around this except introducing a package diff and updating the date?
[08:39] <infinity> pitti: Why would the *binary* packages have ancient timestamps? :/
[08:39] <infinity> pitti: Sound like someone's install method is "cp -a", which is insane.
[08:40] <pitti> I haven't checked yet, I just noticed this when cleaning up -proposed a bit
[08:46] <wgrant> pitti: That check cannot be overridden.
[08:47] <pitti> wgrant: I mean, why do we have it in the first place? being stricter than Debian means we have to carry around rather pointless deltas?
[08:48] <pitti> certainly the upstream build system does something funky there, but repacking the orig.tar.gz is painful
[08:48] <pitti> well, we could hack some "touch"es into debian/rules, but still painful
[08:49] <mvo> infinity: good morning, I prepared this apt upload I keep talking about for vivid in https://launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/ubuntu/apt-vivid and I think its ready now (doing some testing still but all is looking good afaict). when is a good time for you for a upload ? in my evening?
[08:50] <mvo> infinity: https://launchpad.net/~mvo/+archive/ubuntu/apt-vivid/+sourcepub/4554564/+listing-archive-extra <- long changelog, this is why I'm a bit more cautious than usually
[08:50] <wgrant> pitti: I'm not sure why it's there, but it's been there forever.
[08:51] <pitti> wgrant: ah, so just the first time we hit this then, apparently
[08:53] <wgrant> It shows up occasionally, and usually indicates upstream is broken.
[08:56] <infinity> mvo: Does this still have the _apt user?
[08:56] <mvo> infinity: yeah, getting rid of this is a bit more work
[08:56] <infinity> :(
[08:56] <pitti> xnox: do you still plan on doing your merges, or should we take over? (I could do e. g. simplejson or at)
[08:57] <infinity> mvo: How much more work? :)
[08:57] <infinity>   * Ensure /etc/apt/auth.conf has _apt:root owner
[08:57] <infinity> mvo: I really don't like stuff like that, if we can void it.
[08:57] <infinity> It's gross.
[08:58] <infinity> Though, in a proper privsep world, that means root should be reading that and passing it to the backends via IPC.
[08:58] <infinity> mvo: Privsep that lets non-root processes read config files isn't really privsep.
[09:05] <mvo> infinity: yeah, its not the end of the road yet
[09:06] <infinity> mvo: I'd almost be inclined to say just tear out the new user creation and chmodding and let the backends run as root until the feature's complete, but that's just me.
[09:06] <infinity> mvo: Cause removing users and chmodding back as an upgrade path is a pain.
[09:07] <infinity> mvo: Assuming the goal is to have the backends run as nobody and never need to write to disk.
[09:07] <infinity> mvo: Though, I guess that might be tricky for the actual downloading bits.
[09:08]  * mvo nods and thinks about it
[09:08] <infinity> mvo: But, fundamentally, if I can screw with a backend enough to own the _apt user, then I can do anything that user can do, including reading private config files and poisoning the local cache.
[09:08] <infinity> mvo: Which seems not entirely ideal.
[09:09] <infinity> mvo: Sure, that's better than escalating to root, but most of what apt does is so close to being root anyway, that it's a pretty close hop away. :/
[09:11] <infinity> mvo: Also, minor nit about the current state of affairs if you wanted to ship it that way, making /etc/apt/auth.conf WRITEABLE by the _apt user is just wrong. :P
[09:11] <infinity> mvo: If you wanted to keep the user and let it be your reader of scary things, it should be in a group with read access, not the owner of the file.
[09:13] <mvo> infinity: *cough* that would be a bug then
[09:15] <mvo> infinity: so yeah, its pretty tricky to get it to a state that _apt can not do harm but posing the local cache should not be possible when we check the hashes indepdently, i.e. broken stuff will be detected. but yeah, the reading of config files needs to move into main apt and the method communication etc
[09:15] <mvo> infinity: unfortunately other tasks keep me quite busy I wish I could devote more time to finish this work
[09:18] <infinity> mvo: I'd probably just be inclined to ship it without the sandbox user set, and without the adduser and chown calls, so you don't have to undo it all later, but that's just me.
[09:18] <infinity> mvo: If you think this is a big enough win as-is, and you're prepared to deal with upgrade scenarios, meh.
[09:19] <mvo> infinity: right, thanks, let me ponder a bit about it but I think you have a valid point here
[09:40] <infinity> cjwatson: Do you remember how to reproduce the bug that unsubmitted-dlopen-static-crash.diff was meant to fix?
[09:44] <dholbach> @pilot in
[10:04] <cjwatson> infinity: Revert it, build an x86 phone image, try to run it in the emulator, watch it entirely fail to start unity8
[10:05] <cjwatson> (the nature of the beast is that I don't have a small test case)
[10:06] <infinity> cjwatson: Err, wrong patch. :)
[10:06] <infinity> cjwatson: I'm referring to the autoconf static dlopen segv thing we patched back in saucy.
[10:06] <infinity> cjwatson: Which I'm really not sure how to reproduce to know if it's been fixed better.
[10:07] <infinity> Because we cleverly never filed a proper bug for it or anything.
[10:07] <cjwatson> Oh.  Give me a few minutes not to be answering from my phone then ...
[10:07] <infinity> cjwatson: Heh, mostly a non-immediate-issue anyway, I was blaming a new testsuite failure on that patch, but reverting it made no difference.
[10:16] <mitya57> pitti: thanks for filing the bug, now we have this in #debian-python:
 [22:52] Does anyone still want to use lintian4python or should it be RMed?
 [23:30] Fixing #763206 aka #768988 will be your first task. :-)
[10:18]  * mitya57 uses lintian4python but doesn't speak Perl...
[10:19] <infinity> mitya57: Well, I just removed it from vivid, if you want to fix it and reupload, go nuts.
[10:19] <infinity> mitya57: Learning Perl isn't exactly rocket science if you know C.
[10:20] <infinity> mitya57: You just get to use all the characters on the top row of your keyboard for once.
[10:20] <infinity> ALL OF THEM.
[10:20] <mitya57> Well, I have a Compose key :D
[10:21] <mitya57> (And Shutdown)
[10:21] <seb128> does anyone know if vivid translations import is active/working?
[10:21] <seb128> dpm, pitti, wgrant, ^?
[10:22] <wgrant> seb128: vivid translations aren't happening yet. I hope to fix them in the next week or so.
[10:22] <seb128> wgrant, ok, thanks
[10:24] <wgrant> seb128: Anything in particular you're concerned about?
[10:25] <seb128> wgrant, no, I was wondering why https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/indicator-session is empty and https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/indicator-session/+imports is sitting on "approved" items but not importing those
[10:25] <seb128> wgrant, I was trying to verify a fix for a translation bug
[10:26] <seb128> wgrant, also I need https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ubuntu-ui-extras/+imports to fix some touch non-translatable string issues
[10:26] <seb128> but I guess I'm just going to try to land that fix in rtm without testing on vivid first
[10:30] <wgrant> seb128: I hope to have it going soon. Just need to get enough off my plate that I can safely do it.
[10:30] <seb128> wgrant, ok, no worry, thanks for the status update
[10:31] <seb128> wgrant, I thought translations import would "just work" automatically for new series, I didn't know there was manual work involved
[10:31] <seb128> wgrant, keep the good work :-)
[10:31] <ogra_> ++
[10:31] <pitti> mitya57: ah, I don't care about lintian4python personally, it just holds back the new lintian
[10:32] <wgrant> seb128: It's still a separate manual process to get them going, and it's pretty reliable nowadays, but when it goes wrong you can usually say goodbye to a couple of days of useful work.
[10:32] <mitya57> pitti: I know, and also s/holds/held/ now
[10:33] <pitti> mitya57: oh, curious -- how did lintian get past this?
[10:35] <infinity> pitti: It got past it by me removing it. :P
[10:35] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lintian4python/0.28.4/+publishinghistory
[10:36] <pitti> hah
[10:36] <pitti> haha @ Allergy advice
[11:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> bdrung_work, I fixed the vlc master-daily build for trusty and utopic
[11:40] <LocutusOfBorg1> there is something that worries me now, vivid is failing because seems that the library has x11 linked https://code.launchpad.net/~videolan/+recipe/master-daily
[11:55] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: wb
[11:56] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: I wanted to upload your debdiff this morning, but it has totally garbled whitespace
[11:56] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: so better attach it to a bug, please
[12:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> LocutusOfBorg1> pitti, yes, I had already opened a bug :)
 seems somebody uploaded it
 dholbach, thanks :D
[13:00] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: ah, good
[13:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> (sorry for the double noise)
[13:29] <bdrung_work> LocutusOfBorg1, thanks
[13:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks for what? I'm looking at the vivid build log, and I cannot find any clue, that plugin in the build log seems not built with X11 or xcb :s
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> so for now I'm stuck :(
[13:33] <bdrung_work> for trusty and utopic
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> oh... it was trivial, utopic was missing a b-d, and trusty I added the multimedia ppa for the new libsa
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> s/libsa/libav
[13:34] <bdrung_work> i haven't found the time to even look at it
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> I know, we are always overbusy, I'm having the same problem, this is why I'm giving up for now for vivid
[13:45] <ScottK> baloo-kf5 needs the libkf5filemetadata-dev minimum build-dep version bumped to to 5.1.1
[13:53] <dholbach> @pilot out
[14:05] <tedg> jodh, So rsalveti and I are discussing the behavior of a pulseaudio job in: https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/ubuntu-touch-session/indicator-sound-override/+merge/241300
[14:06] <tedg> jodh, It seems that what pulse does is that it does the forks, but then blocks until they write on a pipe.
[14:06] <tedg> jodh, Is Upstart just looking for the fork command, or for when the parent exits?
[14:08] <jodh> tedg: upstart counts the forks.
[14:10] <tedg> jodh, When does the post-start job run? When started is emitted or when the exec is complete?
[14:12] <jodh> tedg: it runs after exec and before started is emitted.
[14:13] <tedg> jodh, So if I add a post-start job, even /bin/true, it would wait until the parent exits before emitting started?
[14:20] <jodh> tedg: the flow is: main process (fork+exec), post-start (fork+exec), emit started.
[14:28] <tedg> jodh, So when I have the "expect daemon" stanza, does the main process component complete after the second fork() is called or when the initial process exits.
[14:37] <jodh> tedg: as mentioned, current upstart only counts forks. We do have a branch lingering around upstream that counts the exits (lp:~jamesodhunt/upstart/bug-530779), but that's unlikely to land now.
[14:45] <tedg> jodh, Okay, I understand, thanks!
[15:59] <tedg> stgraber, Saviq got some weird cgmanager errors in his log and then Unity couldn't connect to cgmanager, do they mean anything to you? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8942980/
[16:01] <stgraber> hallyn: ^
[16:14] <hallyn> tedg: possible to file a bug?
[16:21] <tedg> hallyn, Sure, but we're not sure how/what to file :-) we're using bug 1377332 right now.
[16:24] <hallyn> tedg: thanks, i'll look
[16:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> cjwatson, wonderful the plastimatch patch! you rock man!
[16:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> spoken too fast, there still are three tests failing in amd64 :(
[16:47] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: I reuploaded already
[16:47] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plastimatch/1.5.16+dfsg-1ubuntu2
[16:47] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful :)
[16:48] <cjwatson> reasonably sure this pile will migrate once that's done
[16:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[16:49] <cjwatson> then hopefully either vdr/imagemagick will migrate too or else it'll be clearer what's going on there
[16:51] <cjwatson> ah, it's blocked on the pyqt5 stuff that I believe Mirv is working on
[16:54] <pitti> kees, infinity, mdeslaur, slangasek, stgraber: anyone here today for TB, given memorial day?
[16:54] <mdeslaur> pitti: I'm here
[16:57] <kees> pitti: I'm here too
[16:57] <pitti> kees: ah, great; in theory you are chairing today
[16:59] <kees> pitti: yeah, we'll see if we have enough people :)
[17:00] <kees> infinity: you around for meeting?
[18:12] <cjwatson> ah, good, that's gdcm/hdf5/etc. migrated
[18:12] <cjwatson> gets it out of the way of imagemagick etc. once Mirv's done
[18:13]  * cjwatson EODs
[21:34] <hallyn> infinity: mwhudson:  ok, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1389897 , i'm going to push that debdiff (in comment #10) to vivid?  any objections / new developments i've missed here?
[21:35] <mwhudson> hallyn: +1 from me
[21:35] <mwhudson> hallyn: i haven't built tested it on !amd664
[21:35] <mwhudson> wow good typing there michael
[21:37] <mdeslaur> hallyn: please don't SRU qemu yet, I have security updates that are building
[21:38] <mdeslaur> (in stable releases)
[21:38] <hallyn> mdeslaur: no, i was only going to push to vivid.
[21:38] <hallyn> mdeslaur: do you have fixes there?
[21:39] <hallyn> if so i'll happily wait
[21:39] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I'll have fixes, but not right now, so go ahead
[21:39] <hallyn> i'm only working on srus for libvirt
[21:39] <hallyn> ok, thx
[21:40] <hallyn> mdeslaur: btw, please do shout at me whe you do push to vivid, as i want to be sure to get everything into the debian git tree before i accidentally drop hcanges at next update/merge
[21:40] <hallyn> i do intend to merge next week into vivid
[21:40] <mdeslaur> hallyn: ok, sure
[21:40] <hallyn> (do it with rharper as a training execise)
[21:40] <hallyn> thanks
[21:54] <hallyn> mwhudson: but wait, i thought you'd tested it on ppc64el?
[21:54] <hallyn> time for me to find a porter box i guess :)
[21:54] <hallyn> or maybe i can nag smoser
[21:54] <mwhudson> hallyn: infinity did some ppc testing of the kvm wrapper bits
[21:55] <mwhudson> no package building afaik
[21:58] <hallyn> ok, thx, trying on the porter
[22:17] <smoser> hallyn, whats up?
[22:17] <smoser> i can get you a ppc64el system if you need.
[22:31] <hallyn> smoser: i'm trying the ppc64le porter box right now.  seems not too bad
[22:32] <smoser> ok.
[22:57] <hallyn> smoser: though it's taking forever,  if you wanted to grab the vivid qemu source and add the debdiff at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/qemu-8.debdiff and see if that builds there, that would rock
[22:57]  * hallyn will be afk for a bit, but bbl
[23:03] <hallyn> well build is *almost* done here.  looking good


[14:51] <vish> can anyone suggest a politically correct term for replacing "Hardware Drivers"?  Bug #409338
[14:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 409338 in jockey (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Change the name of "Hardware drivers" (affects: 2) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409338
[21:41] <philbull> ping zkriesse
[21:41] <zkriesse> philbull: pm my good man


[00:35] <RLShiftyDoggit> is there anyone on in this channel?
[01:34] <RLShiftyDoggit> anyone here?
[01:34] <RLShiftyDoggit> or is it still just me
[07:09] <charlee_> i have a question
[07:11] <charlee_> OTA 13 today?
[07:11] <sil2100> charlee_: hey! This week for sure, but I would realistically expect it tomorrow/Wednesday
[07:11] <sil2100> popey: hello, do you know why I'm unable to change the topic?
[07:12] <sil2100> I seemed to be able in the past
[07:12] <charlee_> sil2100, thanks. i can wait until tomorrow
[07:14] <duflu> sil2100: Topic has been locked down on the other server too. I think topic got abused by too many people too many times(?)
[07:15] <duflu> charlee_: Yes it must be close:   "Expected: 7 hours ago" ;)
[07:15] <duflu> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/13
[07:15] <popey> sil2100: it was locked because people abused it
[07:15] <popey> sil2100: op yourself and you will be able to I believe
[07:15] <duflu> And this is why we can't have nice things
[07:15] <sil2100> popey: oh, thanks ;)
[07:16] <popey> np
[07:16]  * duflu high fives the collective channel
[10:58] <Saviq> mardy, hey, about bug #1625128 - what's your image#? we fixed this for OTA13 bug #1595569
[10:58] <ubot5`> bug 1625128 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "indicator menu should be dismissed when power button is pressed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1625128
[10:58] <ubot5`> bug 1595569 in Canonical System Image "Indicators panel doesn't close when turning screen off" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1595569
[10:58] <Saviq> I just tried here and indeed when I pull an indicator down over the greeter and turn screen off and on, I can see the greeter
[11:00] <Saviq> marking as dupe for now
[11:17] <mardy> Saviq: yup, I'm on OTA-12
[11:17] <mardy> Saviq: that's good news, thanks :-)
[11:25] <vitimiti> Can somebody help me with the verification of a click package? I am getting this "TypeError: object of type 'NoneType' has no len()" error https://paste.ubuntu.com/23201071/ https://gitlab.com/vitimiti/System76-Unofficial/tree/stable
[11:42] <Saviq> vitimiti, you're missing an "app" entry in the manifest, no?
[11:42]  * Saviq not sure about the manifest format, looks it up
[11:42] <vitimiti> Saviq, I honestly don't know, that's the default manifest
[11:44] <Saviq> hmm no, mine dumb one looks the same
[11:44] <vitimiti> The manifest says app isn't supported
[11:45] <vitimiti> It just says unknown error
[11:45] <vitimiti> Hm, maybe if I try uploading it I'll get some more information on the problem with my click package
[11:45] <Saviq> vitimiti, hmm it packaged and click-reviewed just fine
[11:45] <Saviq> vitimiti, btw, you want the -web framework for a web app
[11:46] <vitimiti> The Ubuntu store says "__all__: The name in the manifest must be the package fullname."?
[11:46] <vitimiti> Saviq, oh, I'll try that
[11:47] <Saviq> vitimiti, it'd be best if you'd use the Ubuntu SDK to edit the manifest
[11:47] <vitimiti> -web says it doesn't exist
[11:47] <vitimiti> Saviq, I'm doing so
[11:47] <Saviq> vitimiti, ok, the name needs to be "system76.vitimiti", if that's your namespace in the store
[11:47] <vitimiti> But the web app manifest is the raw file instead of a GUI
[11:47] <vitimiti> Alright, let me try that
[11:48] <Saviq> vitimiti, sorry, -html, not -web
[11:48] <vitimiti> "__all__: The uploaded package name (system76.vitimiti) does not use your namespace (vitimiti-package)" I'll try with vitimiti-system76 then
[11:49] <vitimiti> Back to the beginning, "__all__: The name in the manifest must be the package fullname." and still the unknown error when verifying it on the SDK
[11:49] <vitimiti> I can install it in my device, though and it works
[11:54] <vitimiti> If I try creating a new web app the SDK crashes completely... I feel like I shouldn't have used the SDK ppa
[11:56] <vitimiti> Getting the same error with a dummy web app, with the default files
[11:56] <vitimiti> I'll try undoing what the ppa has done, maybe that'll help me
[11:56] <Saviq> vitimiti, it looks like your namespace is "vitimiti-package"
[11:56] <Saviq> you may want to change that in the store settings
[11:56] <Saviq> the package would need to be named "system76.vitimit-package"
[11:57] <Saviq> +i
[11:57] <vitimiti> I see
[11:59] <vitimiti> I'm going to get it downgraded anyway cause it crashes too much and then I'll try it again, thanks Saviq
[12:00] <Saviq> vitimiti, which PPA were you using, btw? it would be good to get crash reports
[12:00] <vitimiti> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/platform/sdk/installing-the-sdk/ <- the one from there
[12:00] <vitimiti> ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[12:23] <vitimiti> Alright, and the downgraded version can't even open the options without crashing, that's nice
[12:23] <vitimiti> I don't know what's going on
[13:55] <robinhero> hey guys, are there any problems with the OTA-13 releasing process? Because there's still no commitlog and I don't see the images on the systemimage server too
[13:57] <davmor2> robinhero: it's not released yet
[13:58] <robinhero> davmor2, https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/09/19/over-the-air-13-has-landed/
[13:59] <davmor2> robinhero: released by accident
[14:00] <robinhero> ohh, okay
[14:00] <robinhero> so what's the correct release date? :)
[14:01] <davmor2> when sil2100 says so
[14:02] <robinhero> davmor2, but today? :)
[14:02] <davmor2> robinhero: probably not no, this week though hopefully
[14:03] <robinhero> okay, thanks
[14:04] <matv1> I like the idea of accidental releases. We should have more of them :)
[14:05] <matv1> in fact there should be a schedule for that
[14:06] <matv1> lets surprise everyone and release 19.04 tomorow :)
[14:07] <davmor2> matv1: that was yesterday did you miss the party?
[14:07] <matv1> ahh noo your kidding me?
[14:07] <matv1> what is it called? no that we ran out of animals
[14:07] <matv1> now*
[14:09] <matv1> I vote for developers: 19.04- Profesional Popey
[14:09] <popey> if only it were a vote
[14:09] <davmor2> matv1: Everybody_wants_to_rule_the_world_be_we_already_do-ubuntu-desktop-amd64.iso you should be able to find it no issues ;)
[14:11] <TheKit> is OTA 13 still vivid, not xenial?
[14:11] <matv1> davmor2 haha
[14:14] <mcphail> TheKit: vivid + special sauce
[14:14] <TheKit> is aarch64-support xenial only?
[14:14] <davmor2> TheKit: yes
[14:16] <mcphail> matv1: I'd hate to think what ogra_'s adjective would be for the 23.04 release
[14:17] <TheKit> then, is Ubuntu Touch on Xenial completely broken (unbootable) or just with bugs?
[14:18] <popey> AIUI it boots and has bugs
[14:18] <popey> *BONUS*
[14:19] <ogra_> mcphail, i wouldnt care about the naming scheme ... but i think we should re-work the versioning and measuer in davmors ... (obviously davmor1 abd davmor2 are already taken though ... we'd have to start counting at davmor3)
[14:21] <mcphail> ogra_: aren't davmors zero indexed?
[14:22] <ogra_> oh, that might be
[14:22] <TheKit> so xenial currently is devel-proposed channel only, right?
[14:22] <davmor2> TheKit: nope that is yakkety
[14:23] <TheKit> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/image-channels/ - the documentation here is a bit outdated then
[14:23] <TheKit> so xenial is rc-proposed?
[14:23] <davmor2> TheKit: probably
[14:24] <davmor2> TheKit: nope
[14:24] <davmor2> TheKit: there is only one image at the moment but it really isn't available for daily consumption
[14:25] <TheKit> hm, I see
[14:25] <TheKit> I wanted to port on MTK Helio X10 device, which has 32-bit hwcomposer library broken, so no way but aarch64
[14:26] <mhall119> pmcgowan: is OTA-13 out for mako?
[14:27] <mhall119> pmcgowan: also, would you like to be on the community team Q&A next week, Tuesday at 1500 UTC?
[14:27] <davmor2> ogra_: May I have your attention please? Will the real davmor2 please stand up, I repeat will the real davmor2 please stand up? We're going to have a problem here
[14:27] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I was just chcking on the release, I have not heard
[14:27] <ogra_> davmor2, you're so shady today !
[14:27] <ogra_> and slim !
[14:28] <pmcgowan> mhall119, whats the Q&A topic for next week?
[14:28] <davmor2> ogra_: it's just the filter on the webcam ;)
[14:28] <mhall119> there isn't one, but we've been getting questions about plans to move the phablet images to 16.04 and snappy bases
[14:28] <dobey> we certainly haven't run out of animals
[14:28] <pmcgowan> I see
[14:28] <ogra_> nana
[14:29] <ogra_> err
[14:29] <ogra_> haha
[14:29] <pmcgowan> mhall119, let me get back to you soonish
[14:29] <mhall119> ok
[14:29] <dobey> davmor2: no, devel-proposed is xenial. we don't build yakkety images afaik
[14:30] <davmor2> sil2100: ^
[14:30] <davmor2> sil2100: is rc-prop xenial or yakkety
[14:30] <davmor2> dev-prop even
[14:32] <vitimiti> Saviq, I managed to upload the System76 app to the store properly after downgrading the SDK and fixing some problems the package had with the options, thanks for your help
[14:33] <dobey> davmor2: either way, devel-proposed is sad and hasn't had new images since august afaict
[14:33] <sil2100> davmor2, dobey: devel-proposed is yakkety, we have a separate set of channels for xenial
[14:33] <dobey> eww, why do we have yakkety images at all
[14:33] <Saviq> vitimiti, glad
[14:33] <sil2100> Yeah, devel-proposed was busted since there were issues with click installation, was waiting for the new click with the fix to be released
[14:33] <sil2100> Well, requirement of the release team
[14:34] <sil2100> Since we're releasing yakkety packages for touch there need to be images where these packages are to be tested
[14:34] <sil2100> So devel always points to the latest series
[14:34] <dobey> but it's impossible to test there
[14:34] <davmor2> dobey: it's like I knew what I was talking about and everything ;)
[14:35] <dobey> so what channel is xenial then?
[14:35] <davmor2> dobey: trade secret
[15:05] <brunch875> I've read rumors about a fully converged BQ phone upcoming
[15:05] <brunch875> is this true, or are these outdated news for the M10 tablet?
[15:08] <popey> ooh, we love rumours, here
[15:48] <brunch875> I hope it's true, because even though my phone can survive for a while longer, the usb connector is dangling a bit menacingly
[15:51] <mcphail> brunch875: same here. Oh, and my screen is about to fall off.
[15:52] <mcphail> Amazing how many falls the bq can survive
[15:52] <brunch875> my screen still hasn't had a single scratch
[15:53] <brunch875> and I drop it like errrrryday
[15:54] <mcphail> My screen isn't cracked, but the holding bezel has seen better dyas
[15:55] <brunch875> is BQ the new nokia? :p
[16:03]  * popey cuddles his collection of bq e4.5's
[16:04] <brunch875> I knew popey was collecting utouches... but not a whole set of e4.5's :P
[16:04] <popey> the one I don't have is the e5
[16:04] <popey> I have 5 e4.5's though
[16:05] <popey> mostly donated
[16:05] <brunch875> hah
[16:07] <OerHeks> That would make an unique 2016 x-mas tree, popey
[16:14] <popey> hah
[16:35] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, is anyone working on making u-s-s not depends on biometryd?
[16:35] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[16:38] <willcooke> abeato, hey!  Thanks for the comments on the Trello board.  I'm not /too/ bothered about flight-mode showing up and doing nothing - I think we can live with that.  But i-n sounds like it needs some work - do you know who would normally work on that?
[16:39] <kenvandine> seb128, i haven't looked at it
[16:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you look into that?
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, should be use the MIR bug for that?
[16:43] <kenvandine> seb128, that's fine with me
[16:47] <willcooke> renatu, what happens if syncevolution is missing?  Will things break?
[16:48] <renatu> willcooke, there is some packages that depend on that. We will need to remove all others packages
[16:48] <renatu> I never tested that
[16:49] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[16:49] <renatu> willcooke, there is a lot of people using syncevolution, it will make a lot of people sad
[16:49] <seb128> renatu, which ones? apt-cache rdepends says it's in the touch seed but nothing else depends on it
[16:49] <renatu> seb128, sync-monitor
[16:50] <seb128> renatu, we are not speaking about changing the phone, just about the desktop session
[16:50] <willcooke> and only 16.10
[16:50] <seb128> renatu, nothing is bringing in sync-monitor either
[16:51] <willcooke> we can add more for 17.04
[16:51] <seb128> no sync stack on desktop/16.10 imho
[16:51] <renatu> syn-monitor is used to sync calendar.
[16:52] <renatu> bfiller, ^^
[16:52] <davmor2> seb128, willcooke, renatu: what does calendar on unity7 use? If unity8 is in session on unity7 won't that pull in evolution sync?
[16:53] <renatu> davmor2, most of the desktop guys probably use evolution.
[16:53] <dobey> there are a lot of assumptions in things in the unity8 session which don't make sense on a PC
[16:53] <willcooke> e-d-s
[16:56] <willcooke> renatu, the idea is that if we can get away with not MIRing it for 16.10 - then that's preferred to save time.  We can improve in 17.04
[16:56] <willcooke> so if things don't explode in a ball of fiery death, I'd like to leave it out
[16:57] <renatu> willcooke, yes we can keep it out, and try. I think nothing will explode :D
[16:57] <mcphail> The ubuntu calendar doesn't "work" in Unity7 without evolution
[16:58] <renatu> mcphail, yes, but we are talking about sync-evolution
[16:58] <renatu> mcphail, we will still have EDS. right willcooke ?
[16:59] <willcooke> renatu, yeah, correct
[16:59] <mcphail> hokay. Sorry for interrupting! :)
[17:02] <willcooke> renatu, I will comment on the card and say it's not needed - would you be able to do a quick sanity check to make sure it's not going to break other things?
[17:03] <renatu> willcooke, any image/iso that I can use to test?
[17:03] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack!
[17:03] <renatu> or just remove it from the phone and test is enough?
[17:05] <willcooke> renatu, actually thinking about it some more - I think we're ok.  Because it's not being installed in the tests davmor2 and seb128 are doing - so I think we're ok
[17:05] <renatu> willcooke, ok nice
[17:05] <willcooke> there'll be missing functionality, but no fiery death
[17:06] <davmor2> willcooke: wow I'm doing tests........this isn't the calendar your looking for........wow tests okay
[17:26] <abeato> willcooke, Wellark these days I thinj
[17:26] <abeato> *think
[17:26] <willcooke> thanks abeato
[17:26] <willcooke> Wellark, will follow up by email
[17:26] <abeato> np
[17:32] <dobey> alecu, pete-woods: ^^ re: indicator-network on PCs
[17:38] <alecu> dobey: what exactly about that?
[17:53] <willcooke> alecu, just sent an email about it
[17:55] <alecu> thanks
[17:57] <alecu> willcooke: antti has been sick for the past couple of days. I'll try to find somebody to work on that if he's not around.
[17:57] <willcooke> alecu, thank you sir
[18:09] <dobey> alecu: sorry, missed that. mostly I think it's just that it doesn't really support any sort of wired connections at the moment. in my VM it shows the generic gear icon (because there's no wired icon), and only stuff in the menu is wifi bits, and my VM doesn't have wifi.
[18:09] <dobey> not sure what other issues might be there though
[18:10] <dobey> mterry: hey, does https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity-scope-click/initdb-readme/+merge/306135 alleviate your concerns re: departments.db ?
[18:12] <davmor2> dobey, willcooke: indicator network is missing the ethernet functionality known issue I believe  The more annoying one is the battery indicator is missing a powered only settings and screen dim does zero
[18:13] <dobey> davmor2: for fun time, go to "About" in settings and try to enable developer mode :P
[18:13] <davmor2> dobey: known issue, you want fun try and change the brightness in system settings
[18:14] <davmor2> dobey: there is no brightnes/display menu at all
[18:15] <dobey> davmor2: or better, try to change your password
[18:16] <davmor2> dobey: there is a list a mile long trust me :)
[18:16] <dobey> i know
[18:17] <dobey> davmor2: anyway i was just pinging alecu and pete about that, as antti is out sick.
[18:18]  * davmor2 pokes oSoMoN on desktop browser still points to mobile sites there is a bug for that already right?
[18:22] <dobey> davmor2: what, you don't want to install the android app?! it's in the play store!
[18:23]  * davmor2 beats dobey with a lettuce leaf for suggesting I install an app fullstop :P
[18:24] <dobey> davmor2: not me. http://beta.speedtest.net :)
[18:25] <davmor2> dobey: go to speedof.me
[18:25] <dobey> no
[18:25] <dobey> it doesn't work
[18:25] <davmor2> dobey: yes it does it is just in mobile view
[18:27] <dobey> davmor2: no, it tests against a crappy server, and is just incredibly slow. my internet is too fast for speedof.me. also, it's really ugly and complains about ad blockers all over the place
[18:27] <dobey> ie, it doesn't work :)
[18:28] <davmor2> dobey: it's more the display I'm interested in :)
[18:28] <oSoMoN> davmor2, no specific bug, is it happening for all websites? or just some of them? if the latter, a list of domains affected would be useful. in any case, app logs please
[18:28] <dobey> davmor2: speedtest.net is also a lot prettier :)
[18:29] <davmor2> oSoMoN: yeah I'll see what I can pull. but it's looking like a lot of sites but some look similar in both mobile and desktop so it's hard to tell sometimes :)
[18:37] <oSoMoN> davmor2, do you have the app logs handy? do they claim that the mobile UA overrides were loaded, by any chance? that would indicate a global bug, not site-specific
[18:38] <davmor2> oSoMoN: just digging them out now and filing a bug give 10minutes
[18:38] <dobey> oSoMoN: at least with beta.speedtest.net it seems the problem is the "Android" in the UA
[18:39] <oSoMoN> dobey, on desktop there should not be an Android token in the UA, if there’s one it’s a bug, what does http://whatsmyua.com say?
[18:43] <dobey> oSoMoN: checking...
[18:44] <dobey> oSoMoN: "Ubuntu 16.04 like Android 4.4"
[18:44] <dobey> oSoMoN: it also says "Mobile" in the UA
[18:45] <oSoMoN> dobey, that’s clearly wrong then, that’s a bug, is that on plain desktop or a phone hooked up to an external monitor?
[18:46] <dobey> oSoMoN: xenial+overlay unity8-desktop-session-mir installed in a kvm instance
[18:48] <oSoMoN> mmm, that might be a bug in how the screen size is reported by qtubuntu maybe
[18:48] <oSoMoN> dobey, mind filing a bug report with full details?
[18:49] <dobey> oSoMoN: hmm, it's 1024x768 (and i've no way to change it for mir it seems)
[18:49] <davmor2> oSoMoN: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1625314
[18:49] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1625314 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu webbrowser app sometimes shows sites in mobileview" [Undecided,New]
[18:49] <dobey> but sure, i guess i can file a bug. would be a bit easier if i could figure out how to get cut/paste sharing between kvm and host
[18:50] <davmor2> oSoMoN: anything else you need?#
[19:02] <oSoMoN> dobey, in theory only the screen physical size matters, not the resolution
[19:03] <dobey> oSoMoN: well that doesn't make much sense either. i have laptops with smaller screens than lots of phones have
[19:04] <dobey> oSoMoN: but the session indicator shows "Desktop Mode" toggle and it's enabled, so i guess qtubuntu thinks the right thing (and man is that word annoying)
[19:04] <oSoMoN> dobey, really? that sounds wrong (the phones with screen larger than desktops)
[19:05] <oSoMoN> dobey, how big are your phones (and how small are your laptops)?
[19:05] <dobey> oSoMoN: i have one laptop that's a 5.6" screen
[19:05] <dobey> oSoMoN: another that's 10"
[19:06] <dobey> i mean, the M10 is a 10" screen too, and the Pro 5 is a 5.6" (or was it 6"?) screen
[19:07] <oSoMoN> (of course the screen physical size is just a heuristic, currently the threshold is set at 19cm IIRC, i.e. 7.48")
[19:07] <oSoMoN> so all your phones should get a mobile UA string, and the M10 a desktop one (intended)
[19:08] <oSoMoN> as for your 5.6" laptop, it’s pretty damn small, so it will get a mobile UA string, but that doesn’t sound like a bad thing
[19:08] <dobey> trust me, it is
[19:09] <oSoMoN> dobey, purely out of curiosity, what’s the make/model of that laptop?
[19:09] <dobey> oSoMoN: Fujitsu U820
[19:11] <oSoMoN> interesting
[19:12] <oSoMoN> we should probably tie the use of a mobile UA string to the presence of a touch screen
[19:12] <oSoMoN> (on top of the existing screen size heuristic)
[19:13] <dobey> oSoMoN: you should probably also follow the toggle setting
[19:13] <oSoMoN> dobey, yes
[19:16] <mterry> dobey: sorry just noticed your ping earlier
[19:18] <mterry> dobey: so that's helpful.  But it doesn't address my complaint of "which languages are in the default database and thus need to be specified" nor "what should my system be like before I run this command" -- i.e. what clicks should I make sure to install etc.  (also, why copy the database elsewhere first?  and should the "sqlite3 data/departments.db" example
[19:18] <mterry> command be "sqlite3 deparments.db-new" instead?)
[19:20] <pmcgowan_> oSoMoN, although not strictly a touch screen right? otherwise my laptop would get mobile :)
[19:20] <dobey> mterry: the example was a brainfart from copy+paste, yeah
[19:22] <dobey> mterry: copying the file is to work on a temporary copy, to avoid destroying existing data while updating with additional languages.
[19:22] <mterry> That's what bzr is for!  :)  But sure, ok
[19:23] <mterry> But anyway, that extra README is just more details about how you COULD run it.  I want to know how *you* ran it to originally make the file.
[19:23] <dobey> mterry: why is that important?
[19:24] <mterry> dobey: so that if you go on vacation, someone can update that file without calling your cell phone
[19:24] <mterry> And just on general priciple
[19:24] <dobey> mterry: i described exactly how to *update* the file
[19:24] <mterry> dobey: right... for a given language, and assuming the system the user is on is exactly the same as the one you ran it on originally?
[19:24] <dobey> mterry: so do we require documentation specifically detailing how artists draw artwork in PNG files, or textures for 3D games?
[19:25] <mterry> So what languages are shipped in that default database?
[19:25] <mterry> What system did you run it on originally?
[19:25] <dobey> i didn't run it originally
[19:25] <dobey> mterry: what i'm saying is, you're ascribing a certain level of importance to something, which is not that important
[19:25] <jgdx> mardy, hey, are you working on amending hard coded paths in online accounts?
[19:26] <mterry> dobey: so the file gets updated with whatever list of clicks you have installed when you run init-departments, right?
[19:26] <dobey> mterry: really, the only reason this would ever need to be updated within the source tree itself is if we ever ship a new phone in a new country
[19:27] <koza> rsalveti, hey gotta a moment to talk about PA?
[19:27] <mterry> dobey: and if I were to run init-departments on my laptop right now to update the file, and I didn't have all the same clicks installed as are in that database right now, would init-departments drop a line from the database?  Just fail to update that click's info?
[19:27] <mterry> dobey: or what if translations for a click get updated?
[19:28] <mterry> Oh you're saying this is only useful for first shipment
[19:28] <dobey> mterry: there are bugs already filed about removing the package:department mapping.
[19:28] <dobey> mterry: yes, it's only useful for first shipment. the database gets copied to user's home dir, and is updated when they change language and reboot
[19:29] <dobey> or if they install/remove packages
[19:29] <dobey> mterry: not having the click installed when you run the tool doesn't delete the entry
[19:30] <mterry> dobey: but doesn't update the entry either I assume?  (nor add it if you are adding a new language to the db)
[19:30] <mterry> So it is ideal to have all the clicks in the db installed when you run the tool
[19:30] <dobey> mterry: what i added to the README is basically exactly what I did when I updated the db to have the Chinese locales a few months ago, when we were preparing the turbo release
[19:30] <dobey> no
[19:30] <dobey> this database is not ideal
[19:31] <dobey> which is why the goal is to get rid of it
[19:31] <dobey> however, we do not have enough time to do that for yakkety
[19:32] <mterry> I know the db is not ideal, and that you want to replace it.  But I'm saying we are currently shipping files that only you know how to maintain.  And I don't know why you find that acceptable.  We don't need to replace the db by yakkety, but you certainly have enough time to write a simple README explaining how you made that file.
[19:33] <dobey> mterry: alternatively i could "fix" bug #1346957 and just remove the code from the tool (and scope) which deals with the package mapping. which then makes it only a database of translations
[19:33] <ubot5`> bug 1346957 in unity-scope-click (Ubuntu) "Remove entries for departments db" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346957
[19:33] <dobey> mterry: how many core devs can recreate all of the PNGs or audio files we ship in a default install?
[19:34] <sem-geologist> hello, how to compile bqm10 kernel?
[19:34] <dobey> mterry: why don't we require DAW project files for sound themes to be in main?
[19:35] <mterry> Those are shipped in their "preferred form of modification".  If we had files that generated the PNG, we had better dang include that in the source we ship.  Else we aren't compatible with the DFSG
[19:35] <dobey> mterry: i don't see the point in writing a README to replicate something, which a) requires a specific phone to run the tool on to actually do b) is going to be deleted
[19:36] <sem-geologist> is the cit-aarch64-blahblah needed together with the source which is downloadable from launchpad? I couod not find the exact manual how to do it.
[19:37] <mterry> dobey: is it hard to write the README?  Or are you resisting on principle?
[19:37] <mterry> Seems like it would take 5 mins
[19:38] <dobey> mterry: from my POV it seems you are the one resisting on principle. I'm just trying to understand why this is necessary when we ship literally thousands of files for which this requirement is not met.
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> woo paste works in ota 13 I read on a bug reprt, and omgubuntu
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now just need working clickable links in libertine as well!
[19:39]  * SebthreeBQM10HD waits for ota 13 to be on the updater, not yet for me
[19:39] <dobey> mterry: and yes, i do not want to invest more time in "improving" something which we intend to get rid of anyway
[19:40] <sem-geologist> !?!
[19:40] <dobey> !patience sem-geologist
[19:40] <ubot5`> dobey: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:41] <sem-geologist> no, I am just. astonished by this disscussion...
[19:41] <dobey> mterry: i'm not trying to be "difficult" or anything. but you seem to be assuming that i'm the one who originally created the database or wrote the tool (i am not) and that the contents of the database are somehow much more important than they actually are
[19:42] <mterry> dobey: sure my stance is mostly principle.  Part of a MIR is to make sure the package is well-maintained.  This is a red flag to me, and I'm so confused why you don't also see it as bad practice.  But it's also currently shipping the database.  You want to replace it before we next update it, granted.  But what if that doesn't happen.  What if we do want to
[19:42] <mterry> update it.  Not the likeliest scenario, but really. Just 5 mins, far less work than arguing about it with me
[19:42] <mterry> dobey: ah.  So you didn't make the db.  Are you saying that you don't know how to reproduce it?
[19:44] <dobey> mterry: no i'm saying it is unimportant. simply running the tool and getting an empty database is equally fine for the purposes of including it in an installation with unity8-desktop-session-mir. in fact on yakkety it's even superfluous, because we can't support installation of clicks on yakkety, and snaps do not have departments in the store as of yet.
[19:44] <dobey> mterry: if you want to update the database, the instructions are very clear and stated in the MP i just pointed you at
[19:45] <mterry> Sure, I don't think that MP makes it any better in ways I care about, but it seems like a more verbose README, which is good.
[19:45] <dobey> mterry: and no, IMO, having an sqlite database in the source tree is not necessarily a red flag. but perhaps i am being a bit more pragmatic than you are
[19:47] <mterry> dobey: I'll assign this MIR to another member of the team.  You seem unwilling to make the changes I request.  Maybe another reviewer will not care about those changes like I do.
[19:48] <dobey> mterry: i'm just trying to understand the problem :(
[19:49] <mterry> I feel like I've spelled it out several times.  We seem to be talking across each other.
[19:49] <dobey> well you told me i need to describe how to update the file, which is exactly what i did, and then you tell me it doesn't tell you how to update the file
[19:49] <dobey> so yeah
[19:51] <mterry> dobey: I understand how to run the command to update the file, yes.  The original README told me that.  But nothing in the source tells me how to reproduce the environment to run the command in, nor which languages to pass on the command line (which languages are in the current db).  I've spelled that distinction out several times.
[19:58] <sem-geologist> so what abou the kenel? I have xperience with complng/debugng conventional kernel and armhf(on allwiner devices) however this one is kind differen
[19:59] <sem-geologist> kernel* sorry, writing from m10, can see the whqt Iam writing, as it is behind osk
[20:08] <dobey> sem-geologist: do you have any experience building android images?
[20:08] <dobey> sem-geologist: really you don't just build the kernel itself, but the kernel is built as part of the image building process
[20:08] <sem-geologist> oh, that would explain a lot
[20:09] <sem-geologist> is this cit-aarch64 stuff needed from bq github to compile it?
[20:09] <dobey> i suppose you could possibly build the kernel on its own, but just getting a vmlinuz file isn't all that useful for these types of devices
[20:09] <vieflo07> Good Eve
[20:10] <dobey> i don't know anything about that bit. i've not built the m10 tree myself
[20:10] <vieflo07> first results from my experiment: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-x/help/ubuntu-touch-hox-experiment-device-t3457461
[20:11] <vieflo07> dobey, I got a splash screen already xD
[20:11] <vieflo07> Maybe someone want to look at this kmsg log, at the very end: http://pastebin.com/1PF178e9
[20:12] <vieflo07> I need some help with the unknown cgroup errors, and the other strange log lines
[20:14] <flohack> so now I got the right name xD
[20:15] <dobey> cool. unfortunately i can't help you. i know almost nothing about porting :)
[20:16] <flohack> Yeah... I have some nice guys on ubports, but I also try to reach out to the wider community here
[20:16] <flohack> but somehow this channel is never really busy xD
[20:17] <dobey> always busy, but i think maybe you just come on here when the people you probably need to talk to are already gone :)
[20:18] <sem-geologist> dobey,thanks for honest answer. I thin I will try to make some sens from nice manual and source available for bq E4.5, I tqhink I could trace back. how it is done. There are some readya scripts in m10 kernl foldrr, I just hoped somebody here would know how to use them exactly...
[20:19] <dobey> sem-geologist: why are you wanting to build your own kernel anyway?
[20:20] <flohack> hehe
[20:20] <flohack> what is the preferred UTC time then
[20:22] <dobey> flohack: EU/UK normal working hours are probably the best time to ask about porting in here
[20:22] <sem-geologist> lots of usb peripherals is not compiled, like i.e. serial/usb stufff
[20:22] <flohack> hmm mdobey at this time I work myself in office lol
[20:22] <flohack> but Ok will try
[20:23] <dobey> sem-geologist: yes, because the kernel has to be under a certain size, and doesn't have modules. not sure why, but this is just how kernels are built on android based devices
[20:23] <flohack> sem-geologist be aware of the kernel size,
[20:23] <flohack> ha wanted to say the same xD
[20:23] <flohack> On my port device I have only 8MB
[20:23] <flohack> Ad it needs to fit kernel and ramdisk
[20:24] <flohack> But I must say Ubuntu Ramdisk is 2x the sze of Cyanogen
[20:24] <dobey> sem-geologist: deviating much from the manufacturer's kernel config can make things really complex to maintain, so for the most part our kernel is the same as the android kernel on the android version of the devices
[20:24] <flohack> maybe it could be made smaller
[20:24] <sem-geologist> I would like to do a lot of cool. things, not only check my mail, or loo to calendar (I am scientist, There was alwais the void for linux machine, the portable one to gather and interpret the spatial data in place
[20:24] <flohack> I had already to cut into the CM kernel for my device and remove actually stuff... NTFS support, USB Net adapters, USB sound etc
[20:25] <flohack> well I dont want to disappoint to, but we are limited still to the android way. Ubuntu is more a "user task" running on top of android
[20:25] <dobey> sem-geologist: i'm not disagreeing with your desires. i'm simply explaining the situation :)
[20:25] <flohack> Plus all hardware drivers are closed source
[20:25] <sem-geologist> well I chcked, actually a lot of stuff (especially whch would be handy for such tinkerrers as me ) are disabled on UT kernel config
[20:26] <flohack> you need to use lots of vendor stuff
[20:26] <dobey> sem-geologist: they are disabled in android too
[20:26] <flohack> yes you will enable it and then try to flash it, and it will be too big ;)
[20:26] <sem-geologist> no, I just checked, and they Re not
[20:26] <sem-geologist> All the usb serial stuff is enabled on android, also bluetooth serial
[20:27] <dobey> bluetooth serial works fine in ubuntu
[20:27] <dobey> and afaik, there is no kernel driver for doing serial over bluetooth
[20:28] <dobey> sem-geologist: are you comparing actual android, for this specific device, or cyanogen, or some other android kernel?
[20:29] <sem-geologist> the bq one for android
[20:29] <marxjohnson> App development question.  I want to build an app for pass (http://passwordstore.org), which is a shell script that calls git and gpg. I've found out how to use C++ to call a shell command. Is it possible to include the script, git and gpg with an app and just stick GUI on top, or would I need to re-implement the functionality in C++ using the relevant libraries?
[20:29] <Knightmare> Is OTA-13 out today?
[20:30] <dobey> marxjohnson: generally you'd be better off writing a complete app using relevant libraries, but you should be able to include git/gnupg and exec them from your app's code
[20:31] <dobey> marxjohnson: the trick though for running external comands is knowing the path. QProcess is the API you'd use from a C++ Qt app
[20:32] <marxjohnson> dobey: that's what I was wondering, if it would be possible to have the git and gpg binaries packaged with the app, such that I'd know where to call them
[20:34] <sem-geologist> thank you, dobey, I am going to try the stuff out...
[20:34] <Danielthebague> Any news when ota-13 is due for release ?
[20:34] <Danielthebague> e4.5 here
[20:34] <mardy> jgdx: hi! I had a look, but the only hardcoded path I found was the icon path in the .settings file
[20:34] <Danielthebague> launchpad said it was release 20 hours ago
[20:38] <dobey> Danielyou: it is phased release, so the update will eventually appear for your device. just be patient. if you have notifications enabled and are logged in to ubuntu one on your device, it will probably download automatically and you'll get an update when it's done
[20:40] <Danielyou> Thanks I'll try and be more patient.
[20:40] <Danielyou> I always look forward to a new release
[20:40] <pmcgowan_> Danielyou, it hasnt been published yet, per lukasz mail tomorrow or wed is expected
[20:42] <Danielyou> Another question will libertine or desktop apps work on the e4.5
[20:45] <dobey> technically, test, but realistically no. the e4.5 doesn't have enough RAM for it to be useful or responsive
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey the lucas email?
[20:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey,  so is ota 13 actually waiting to go to devices now or not?
[20:48]  * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks being able to copy and paste between libertine and natie will be useful at times
[20:49] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: lukasz, but i didn't say that.
[20:49] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i guess it's waiting to be released tomorrow.
[20:49] <pmcgowan_> Danielyou, also you dont have any external display connection on e4.5
[20:50] <pmcgowan_> and the aethercast is not enabled there
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, ok
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pmcgowan_,  he just left
[20:50] <pmcgowan_> indeed
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for the 4.5 uhmm
[20:50] <dobey> pmcgowan_: but you don't need external display to be able to use libertine
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I intentionally kepe mine on a 4.10 vesion for now ;d
[20:50] <dobey> you do, however, need RAM
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but don't really use that phone anymore properly so
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thought I had lost it last year, turned up in Jan
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hence why it stayed on a old version from the summer to
[20:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> pmcgowan_, he's back
[20:51] <pmcgowan_> Danielyou, also you dont have any external display connection on e4.5
[20:51] <pmcgowan_> and the aethercast is not enabled there
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, yeah 4.5 and mx 4 's can't really do proper full convergence it seems
[20:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, however maybe some of the libertine stuff will work there, firefox for example
[20:53] <Danielyou> Maybe investing in an m10 soon, would love another bq with better specs if there is one
[20:53] <dobey> external display doesn't inhibit running of apps; just that some may be of limited use without a larger dislpay
[20:53] <dobey> display
[20:53] <pmcgowan_> well for my eyesight it does :)
[20:53] <flohack> so now it gets crowded a bit here ,)
[20:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou,  I acaully have the 4.5, the mx4, and the cheper of the two m10's
[20:53] <flohack> maybe I can re-raise my questions from before?
[20:54] <iAmVille> someday not soon i'll finally see armv8 support in libhybris and then it'll get crowded crowded
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, so the HD not the full hd, the white hd  not the black FHD,  and even the cheaper of the two devices is rather nice :),  I intend to buy the Full HD as well, but don't quite have the spare cash for that right now so
[20:54] <pmcgowan_> maybe no porting gurus though
[20:54] <dobey> Danielyou: the Pro 5 is the best supported phone device to use libertine on at the moment, as it has most CPU/RAM i think
[20:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, yes both versions of the tablet,  why? why?  since it's nice :) etc
[20:54] <flohack> Hmm just need an initrd guru xD
[20:54] <flohack> or upstart guru doesnt matter
[20:54]  * SebthreeBQM10HD  uses the tablet mostly now instead of a computer, rarly using a computer
[20:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, Danielyou the pro 5 might be the best supported libertine device, but that's sold out
[20:56] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: you can buy an international android version and flash it; instructions have been published
[20:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, I been thinking of doing that for the BQ E5 HD Maybe
[20:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou,  we lost you again, but I said to you and dobey that the pro 5 might be the best supported device to use libertine on at the moment, but that it's sold out
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, apparnatly with the BQ EFHD  Android, if putting Ubuntu on it, that got to use developer mode, which mostly is ok, but then the gps won't work or whatever it was nokia maps or something
[20:58] <Danielyou> A dumb question maybe, keyboards have a back space for deletion why do they not have a delete from the right button
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, how is the pro 5 the best supported libertine device, according to you?
[20:59] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: it is the best device for running libertine on, which is an officially supported device, because it has most cpu/ram
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou,  some keyboard seem to have a del bottom on the bototm right some where
[20:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, ah right yeah I forgot there actsaully, and indeed to what you just put, it's a Meizu so
[21:00] <Danielyou> I will check out the pro 5
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, BQ tend to sell for cheaper, devices with less ram etc
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mid range or kind of
[21:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, Meizu is more mid range to high end
[21:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, a pro 5 woudn't be much good for me right now anyway for liberitne, unless I was going to acstsually set up my own container
[21:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when it's easy to just have a load of apps without neding to use commands to set up a container and commands form a pc
[21:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that will be something
[21:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, your geting disconnected I put basically: BQ is more lower end cheaper devices, Meizu is more mid range to sort of high end
[21:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but all devices are officaly sold out excpet for the tablet from bq I belive
[21:02] <Danielyou> Might have to be the m10 for my birthday seems all the othet devices are sold out
[21:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, indeed exactly, but with some can buy the Android version, and then put Ubuntu on one self
[21:03] <Danielyou> yeah I did notice
[21:04] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i thought there was a gui tool for managing containers
[21:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, a Meizu MX 6 came out with Android like two months or so ago, apparnatly that will come out with Ubuntu eventaully
[21:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe towards the end of the year hmm
[21:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, not a proper one, or so I thought ?
[21:04] <dobey> if the Pro 5 was about 2 inches smaller, i might be interested in one, but as it is, meh
[21:05] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i don't know what you mean by "proper" but it would just do the same thing as when you run the CLI tool, i would expect
[21:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, the MX 4 was aprnatly all big etc, but that's a nice size, aparnatly the pro 5 only a bit bigger
[21:05] <dobey> the mx 4 is too big
[21:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, I mean something where it's all graphical, and no need to use a pc even
[21:06] <dobey> heck, the nexus 4 is too big
[21:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's a normal phone sien ow I Think the mx 4
[21:06] <jgdx> mardy, okay, thanks!
[21:06] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i don't understand. that's what the gui tool is supposed to be for, afaik
[21:06] <dobey> yes, normal phone sizes are too big
[21:08] <Danielyou> any chance bq will have a new phone i future with better specs
[21:08] <dobey> no idea. i'm sure they will continue making phones though, and they will likely have improved specs from current phones. whether they will have ubuntu or not, i have no idea. :)
[21:09] <dobey> their business is building phones/tablets/things after all
[21:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I bought a cheap Android phone the other week and even that one was MX 4 kind of size
[21:10] <dobey> yes
[21:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, BQ don't seem that interested for now,  ther ewas a omgubuntu link about bq
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, BQ don't eem that interested for now, ther was a omgubuntu link about bq i think
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> zte don't want an ubuntu phone for now as well
[21:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> another aritcle they had etc
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I love the OS,  etc, but certain things need to be done really, before more manufactures will be like, right ubuntu phone let's try have one or a tablet
[21:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, maybe once libertine works better by default,  that can even help things out there
[21:12] <Danielyou> Will keep my fingers crossed that bq and canonicial may bring out a new another device
[21:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can easily run lots of standard Linux programs that have been ported to arm, uhmm thousands of good quality softwares
[21:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, the debate for ubuntu to possibly support android apps, may become less relevent if that hten
[21:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ideally need more good quality native apps to, and that aren't just web apps, but that doens't just happen as well.  as an OS it's great, what apps etc it should and shoudn't support is another debate
[21:15] <dobey> there isn't a debate about android aps on ubuntu
[21:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, well there is by people who think it should support them, and those who don't. I don't think there needs to be support for Android apps
[21:15] <dobey> there are people who think certain android apps are vital, and then complain to us because their favorite apps haven't been ported
[21:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> improve libertine and the OS, that should then also attract more native app developers as well then
[21:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who needs android apps then seriously ?
[21:15] <dobey> ubuntu cannot support them
[21:16] <dobey> libertine doesn't enable apps which don't exist. so the same problem still exists
[21:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, well I guess it can via some kind of compatabilty thing like what Jolla and Tizen  have for example
[21:16] <dobey> also, any app you're going to run in libertine is almost certainly not suitable for use without an external keyboard/mouse, and a display if on a phone
[21:17] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: no, it cannot. the security model is totally incompatible
[21:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how is the security model totaly incompatible ?
[21:17] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: many android apps have background services that must be running for the apps to be useful
[21:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, I thought it was mostly, since generally Ubuntu devs don't want to support Android apps like that, as a way to hopefully get people to make native apps,  but ok I guess there are some technical reasons as well then
[21:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, well it may get htousands of users in the future.  I mean look at desktop Ubuntu over the years since 2004,  for what I mean
[21:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no it's not main streame
[21:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes it has thousands of users, debatably a million or two actsaully
[21:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> certain apps would only come if enough market share as well, simple as that
[21:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, as for needing a keyboard or mouse, yes most liberitne stuff is deisnged for that
[21:21] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: most companies that are only willing to port their app based on market share, are doing it because they require that many users to meet expected revenue
[21:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and some programs won't work so well on a smaller s  reen etc yep
[21:21] <dobey> ie, Snapchat needs X users to make Y dollars from in-app purchases
[21:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, indeed lots of stuff wont' just get ported to another OS, at a big loss in general
[21:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but they main strema don't care, they just want pokemon go etc etc
[21:22] <dobey> really, there are still a lot of missing features that prevent people from even writing alternatives
[21:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> such as?
[21:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and yes I know Android and Ios or way more feature complete in general
[21:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> even Windows phone, but they all been around longer so
[21:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> much longer
[21:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with more devs as well
[21:23] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: NFC, various bluetooth features, SMS integration, background processing support
[21:23] <dobey> lots of things like these
[21:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah and clickable links in libertine :d well thats a Ubuntu thing, but well  yes copy and paste  for example, something you would think is a basic in most oses, is now coming inthat update :).  that's an example of what I MEAN
[21:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> basics that are or were lacking
[21:25] <dobey> copy and paste already existed
[21:25] <dobey> it just didn't exist between host and guest
[21:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[21:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> guest being libertine I guess
[21:26] <dobey> yes. just like i can't copy and paste between my kvm and host machine
[21:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but now can with that update so :)
[21:26] <dobey> but for native phone apps built with the SDK, copy and paste was working pretty much fine already
[21:26] <dobey> well, no, i still can't with kvm
[21:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ota 13
[21:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I mean
[21:26] <dobey> but yes, with libertine it works to copy and paste between mir and x apps
[21:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> copy and pate betwee natie and libertine
[21:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I CAN se use for that at imes
[21:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> looking forward to update soon :)
[21:27] <Danielyou> Streaming media like rt news or BBC news would be massive plus to me , not seen an app or scope in the softwarestore to do this
[21:27] <dobey> my point is that it was not a missing feature which prevents people from writing alternative apps on ubuntu, to existing android apps
[21:27] <dobey> Danielyou: youtube works fine
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, maybe an actusally working ebay UK serach to would be a plus in the native browser,  works in FIrefox in libertine.  ebaby done something that has broken the native browser
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ebay uk is still mostly un usable in the natieve browser
[21:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, that broke like two or there weeks ago or something
[21:29] <Danielyou> yes but had problems with you tube scope
[21:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, Ubuntu has the same issue as Windows phone when it comes to apps,  not that many developrs making apps curretnly and then good ones as well
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, Windows phone lacks market share that's why they have that issue,  same for the old blackbery 10 phones
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> genearlly app developers don't make for other oses that aren't android or ios
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> unless in their inteest, money, good perosonal reasons, etc
[21:30] <Danielyou> the rt page to wawatch live streams it comes up with no supported app
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, link ?
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, there aren't going to be many offically supported apps for Websites yet for Ubuntu touch
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since the  lack of general market share
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there are certian unoffial apps though, for facebook and what not
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mostly just web apps, but still
[21:33] <Danielyou> https://www.rt.com/on-air/
[21:33] <dobey> gotta go. later all
[21:33] <Danielyou> Bye dobey
[21:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, not sure if you got my messages, but  basically there aren't going to be many apps for websites for Ubuntu touch,  offial ones
[21:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since lack of market share
[21:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> lack of a user base of Ubuntu touch
[21:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> except for devs and enuthusiasts currently
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, however here are unoffical apps for Facebook and such for certian sites,  but mostly just web apps
[21:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, WIndows and the old b lackberry 10 os has the asame problems
[21:35] <Danielyou> wish I had the knowledge to write one still learning qml and html5 hete aswell as java
[21:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, indeed,  if I was more into that kind of thing, I would try and make one or more myself even
[21:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but that's not the case so
[21:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, when did you start using ubuntu or any other linux disro ?
[21:37] <Danielyou> shame vlc haven't made a oss version for the touch
[21:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, indeed, but if you do your own libertine container, that's something that as far as I know, should work quite well in there
[21:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus ubuntu touch has some kind of multimeida playing app built in it seems
[21:38] <Danielyou> mandrake 10.1 community in the days when you had to configure dial up
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, oh right nice, so what year?
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes this is a bit like living early deskto linux agian
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will it ever take off
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> go more main streame
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's good enough isn't it?
[21:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I remember 2005 :d
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but wel here we are and years later, well no it has not gone main stremae
[21:39] <Danielyou> 2000 and something I think
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but thouands or millions of people globally use it
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, I see Ubuntu touch as having lots of potential at becoming something great
[21:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it already is
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but more great as time goes on, for those of use who use it, and know about it,  it may never go main streame ora nywhere that close,  but it's the best hope at the moment really it seems
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> at a more desktop linux like mobile os at doing that, eventaully, or something similar
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, if we should care or not, that's antoher debate, about that kind of thing, but even thogh linux dominates in the android market,
[21:40] <Danielyou> Yeap OSS is the way to go for me hence investing in the e4.5
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that annoys me when I go away some whhere so it was SWeen in teh summer that's just been again
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I landed back in the UK
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> England
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and well
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I heard lots of andorid phones go on basically uh!
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, I like choice :)
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I like playing with osees to.  hence why I got a Firefox and Jolla phone as well
[21:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, oh and why I just bought a Tizen phone on FRiday as well
[21:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from India on Ebay, so I am a bit hmm to that, but hey that's the way to get one right now so
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, I thought it would be special to have the first two commericaly available UBuntu phones, hence having both the 4.5 and mx 4.  and I don't hae a neus 4 so that was my first time with ubuntu touch the 4.5
[21:44] <Danielyou> the way Linux has evolved is amazing been hookedsince buying a magazine then reading teach yourself li uxin 24hrs which i borrewed fromthe library, have been inrrigued evet since
[21:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, indeed but most people have no idea from the genreal public, but I intend to try and change that a bit next month
[21:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, I am ogansing a  small public event so
[21:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if it gets enough people or not though, that's a bit hmm
[21:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  Danielyoui it is quite amazing
[21:47] <Danielyou> i'm introducing to my local community and we have a small user base in my village here in the uk. will beteaching people how to uSE Ubuntu at voluntary worksoon and running an it meet up with rpi's androbots
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, if someone said to you in say 2005 that in 2015 you would have an UBuntu phone, would you belive them ?
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, yes it seems your from the UK
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> like me
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> where abouts ?
[21:47] <Danielyou> Yes too true
[21:48] <Danielyou> the southwest
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, oh the south est
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> west
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thats iike me
[21:48] <Danielyou> cornwall
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou,  if your up for a trip to Bristol in October
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well you could acstuay help me with an event :)
[21:49] <Danielyou> I tend not to travel far.
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, indeed it's a dab far from cornwall really
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but not to far I guess
[21:50] <Danielyou> But have a mate thats also a keen Linux fan he may like to join me on a trip
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, well I esriosuly need mroe helpers for this event
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, espeially since the lug around here isn't that great
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to informal really
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's diffficult to get people to actsually help with events and such
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from it
[21:51] <Danielyou> Are you on your LUG mailing list
[21:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Danielyou, got two or so already, but could do with more really at least  three or so ideally
[21:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grr net split
[21:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah net split
[21:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yay thanks net split, ruined the chat I was having it seems
[23:17] <kass__> Hi
[23:20] <kass__> I have a aquaris bq e 4.5 , I  pressed Format all + Download in the flash tool , Now I have Invalid IMEI , How can I repair it . Thank you :)
[23:32] <Mister_Q> you cant. you have to send it to bq for an imei repair
[23:32] <kass__> Thank you
[23:34] <Mister_Q> format all does literally that. even for the partitions you cant backup/restore sorry :/


[03:30] <rs2009> jbicha: just woke up, tysm! :)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (jammy-proposed/main) [0.105-0ubuntu2~22.04.3 => 0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: netplan.io (lunar-proposed/main) [0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 0.106.1-7ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[08:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xlnx-firmware (lunar-proposed/multiverse) [2022.1-4-0ubuntu2 => 2022.1-5-0ubuntu1~23.04] (no packageset)
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xlnx-firmware (jammy-proposed/multiverse) [2022.1-4-0ubuntu2~22.04 => 2022.1-5-0ubuntu1~22.04] (no packageset)
[09:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xlnx-firmware [source] (lunar-proposed) [2022.1-5-0ubuntu1~23.04]
[09:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xlnx-firmware [source] (jammy-proposed) [2022.1-5-0ubuntu1~22.04]
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu (jammy-proposed/main) [22.0.0-1ubuntu0.1 => 22.0.0-1ubuntu0.2] (desktop-core)
[10:16] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, FYI: I syncd: aptly dulwich sccache rust-sequoia-net prometheus-alertmanager libconfig-model-perl git-imerge giac geary camitk asmjit
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg> all of them were stuck in proposed since weeks, due to build failures/autopkgtest failures. And they had newer version in Debian (most of the times not new upstream release)
[10:17] <LocutusOfBorg> at worst, we don't make proposed pocket look worse than now, at best case we have some of them migrate
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> e.g. aptly should be good now
[10:56] <zhsj> LocutusOfBorg: i request aptly at bug 2034102 :)
[10:56] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2034102 in aptly (Ubuntu) "Sync aptly 1.5.0+ds1-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2034102
[11:00] <zhsj> LocutusOfBorg: new version of prometheus-alertmanager also fails on riscv64, as it fails on debian too.
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> sad, I would have sponsored with your name
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: pytorch [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.0.1+dfsg-1] (no packageset)
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted pytorch [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.1+dfsg-1]
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [sync] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[12:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unison-2.53 [amd64] (mantic-proposed/none) [2.53.3-2] (no packageset)
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[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: unison-2.53 [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed/universe) [2.53.3-2] (no packageset)
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[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [s390x] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [arm64] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted unison-2.53 [ppc64el] (mantic-proposed) [2.53.3-2]
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, hello, can we hint git-imerge on i386? they switched to autopkgtest-pkg-pybuild
[14:06] <LocutusOfBorg> causing this uninstallability
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: openconnect (jammy-proposed/universe) [8.20-1 => 8.20-1ubuntu0.1] (kubuntu)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rsync (focal-proposed/main) [3.1.3-8ubuntu0.6 => 3.1.3-8ubuntu0.7] (core, i386-whitelist)
[15:33] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: hinted
[15:33] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[15:37] <LocutusOfBorg> while you are on it... camitk is NBS and autopkgtests are shown as regression...
[15:37] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest for camitk/5.1.0-1: amd64: Pass, arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Regression ♻ , i386: Regression ♻ , ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried migration-reference/0
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg> but I fail to understand what is the issue on britney side...
[15:58] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: you can't do a migration-reference/0 for a package not in the release pocket
[15:58] <vorlon> I'll hint it
[16:15] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, so no way for a normal dev to make it migrate without bothering you?
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> looks like something that britney might be able to do it alone
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg> sed s/might/should/g :)
[16:16] <vorlon> right, you'd need to fix britney's idea of "regression" in the case of a package removed from the release pocket
[16:16] <vorlon> which IMHO would be appropriate, "patches welcome"
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg> meh, I don't understand womens, britney included :D
[19:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: lib2geom [amd64] (mantic-proposed/universe) [1.3-1] (no packageset)
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[20:08] <jbicha> please remove lib2geom from mantic-proposed
[20:09] <seb128> jbicha, why?
[20:10] <jbicha> seb128: it fails to build on architectures and we don't need the new version now
[20:14] <seb128> jbicha, hum, it has binaries in NEW which makes that slightly more annoying
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted fdk-aac-free [source] (mantic-proposed) [2.0.2-3~ubuntu1]
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lib2geom [armhf] (mantic-proposed) [1.3-1]
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lib2geom [amd64] (mantic-proposed) [1.3-1]
[20:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted lib2geom [riscv64] (mantic-proposed) [1.3-1]
[20:14] <seb128> I've accepted those and will remove the source + binaries once they are published
[20:14] <seb128> jbicha, I've also accepted fdk-aac-free, I had review it but apparently forgot to press the button
[20:15] <jbicha> ok, I have some todo items around fdk-aac-free anyway


[07:30] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-settings 4.19.1 released @ http://www.mail-archive.com/xfce-announce@xfce.org/msg00896.html


[15:05] <midnight> anybody here using 17.10. i've been not able to start audacity on 2 different systems by now ^^


[00:06] <Leben> Does anyone have a clue why a stock (VPS) LAMP installation would download my index page when I view the site from the domain with the www prefix, but work fine if I leave the www off?  (ex. www.test.com doesn't work, test.com does)
[00:08] <rewt> does www.test.com point to the same ip as test.com ?
[00:08] <rewt> or is it a cname to test.com ?
[00:08] <Leben> cname
[00:08] <rewt> name-based vhost?
[00:08] <Leben> I'm using Dyndns as a host for the domain
[00:10] <Leben> Not sure. I tried adding a ServerName line to the 000-default, but it didn't do anything. Not sure if there's more I need to tinker with or not.
[02:18] <Proz01d> anyone know some ways to test bandwidth speeds (sites as well)?
[02:20] <Proz01d> also how do i restore the default firewall settings
[02:20] <Delerium_> speedtest.net for pure bandwith .. for your site, don't know of any online tools, only commercial product
[02:21] <Proz01d> i need to test from the command line
[02:23] <Delerium_> do you have a browser (like lynx) on your server?
[02:23] <Proz01d> nope
[02:23] <Kiall> Delerium_, if you have two servers .. you can use iperf
[02:23] <Kiall> sorry - Proz01d
[02:24] <Delerium_> ;)
[02:24] <Proz01d> np..
[02:24] <Delerium_> The following links seems to analyze your site from the Internet http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/
[02:25] <Proz01d> i tried wget and the xp sp2 download link from MS
[02:25] <Kiall> yea .. thats another method :) wget http://ubuntu/some.iso ;)
[02:26] <Delerium_> Maybe you can check with your hosting / internet provider to see if they have a FTP speed test available or something like that
[02:26] <Kiall> if you have two servers - nothing beats iperf for proving the max BW between the two.. other than that .. wget is usually the best option sadly!
[02:27] <Delerium_> Didn't knew about iperf thanks Kiall
[02:28] <Kiall> yea - its basically a command line speedtest.net .. but without the servers provided for you ;)
[02:28] <Delerium_> So you need to have iperf installed on both server and then launch it?
[02:29] <Kiall> Yea .. One side acts as a client, the other as a server ..
[02:29] <Delerium_> Cool... I should give this a try
[02:30] <Kiall> BTW If its under 50Mb/s your expecting .. I can launch a server for a few mins..
[02:31] <Delerium_> Kiall: I'm waiting for my dedicated server to be setup, I'll test with that ;)
[02:31] <Delerium_> Thanks
[02:31] <Kiall> sure...
[02:32] <Kiall> [ 3] 0.0-10.1 sec 339 MBytes 283.8 Mbits/sec <-- Disappointing results ;)
[02:33] <Proz01d> what are you trynig?
[02:34] <Proz01d> kaill -> was that a wget?
[02:35] <Kiall> aha .. thats better :) "[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  1.09 GBytes    933 Mbits/sec"
[02:35] <Kiall> no - iperf
[02:35] <Proz01d> WHAT?!
[02:35] <Kiall> LAN ;)
[02:36] <Kiall> 283.8 Mb/s was internet
[02:36] <Proz01d> that's still crazy fast
[02:36] <Kiall> Its not exactly my home connection ;)
[02:36] <Proz01d> i'm guessing fiber...not ethernet
[02:37] <Kiall> we take it as ethernet, but yea .. pretty much all BW in and out of datacenters is fibre ..
[02:37] <Delerium_> I should try to run this on our servers ... but not sure they will let me do it ;(
[02:38] <Proz01d> you guys know how to get the default firewall settings back?
[02:38] <Kiall> lol - call it a diagnostic test ;)
[02:39] <Kiall> `iptables -F` will empty the rules .. empty might not be your default tho
[02:39] <Delerium_> Kiall: ;) Management will says it's up to the network guys... they are pretty strict when it comes to do modification on our servers
[02:39] <Delerium_> Wondering about Proz question, does ubuntu-server use SELinux?
[02:40] <Kiall> not by default, it does use apparmor which is somewhat similar
[02:41] <Delerium_> Ho okay...
[02:41] <Delerium_> AppArmor is more on the "application level" if I'm not mistaken
[02:41] <Delerium_> ?
[02:42] <Kiall> Yea .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/610893/
[02:42] <Kiall> thats the mysql appa config...
[02:43] <Delerium_> Thanks Kiall
[02:49] <Delerium_> Kiall, so basically, AppArmor restrict the files that a process can read / write !?
[02:50] <Kiall> yea .. when a program has an AA profile, it only has access to what's in the profile, and nothing else..
[02:51] <Kiall> eg mysql's one has "network tcp" but not "network udp" .. so no UDP sockets ...
[02:51] <Delerium_> k, make sense .. nice to know ... I've been using Linux for a while but never go in deep...
[02:52] <Delerium_> Don't have much time with work (and we have only 2 olllddd Linux server)
[02:52] <fastveg> if I ssh into my server and run a python script, will the script stop when I close the ssh session?
[02:52] <Kiall> fastveg, yes .. unless you start it in the background ..
[02:52] <fastveg> or will it keep running even though I disconnect
[02:52] <Kiall> eg `python bla.py &`
[02:52] <Kiall> or `screen -dmS my_app python bla.py`
[02:53] <fastveg> ok thanks
[02:53] <Delerium_> fastveg,  ./myscript &
[02:53] <fastveg> even better
[02:54] <Kiall> if you think you'll want to "reattch" to see how its doing etc ... use screen.. otherwise pop at & at the end and it'll quit when it quits :)
[02:54] <Kiall> reattach*
[02:54] <Delerium_> Having a log file is also a good idea ;)
[02:55] <Kiall> yea .. nothing worse than seeing a script die after a few hours of processing without logs ;)
[02:55] <Delerium_> yup.. It kills!
[02:56] <Kiall> I had a 3 week long data import process that couldnt be paused, it had to start again from scratch if it died ..
[02:56] <Kiall> 2 weeks in .. bam.
[02:56] <Delerium_> 3 weeks import!?!?!? Gossshh... that was a DB ?
[02:56] <Kiall> suffice to say heads rolled ;)
[02:57] <Delerium_> lol
[02:57] <Kiall> yea - 3 weeks .. data was sourced from an API that was slow a hell .. and there was craploads of it
[02:57] <Kiall> slow as*
[02:59] <Delerium_> Well... there is slow ... and SLLLOWWWWW
[03:02] <Kiall> ;)
[03:06] <Proz01d> just curious...what are you guys using for dns?
[03:06] <Delerium_> My ISP DNS
[03:06] <Kiall> bind + the probind web UI ..
[03:06] <Delerium_> ho.. . as a DNS server... sorry ;)
[03:06] <Proz01d> lol np
[03:06] <Delerium_> bind too
[03:07] <Delerium_> but I don't personnaly manage our DNS, so I suck at bind ;)
[03:08] <Proz01d> i'm setting up a vpn and i need to specify a dns...
[03:08] <Proz01d> so i'm pointing to one externally
[03:12] <Proz01d> but i'm trying to improve performance so i was wondering if I should use bind instead
[03:14] <Kiall> generally (ie unless your ISP's DNS servers are crap) .. you're better using them for recursive resolving...
[03:15] <Kiall> (ie for looking up google.com... rather than mydomain.com DNS hosting) ..
[03:18] <jmarsden> Proz01d: Unless you have measured current performance and are sure from that work that DNS is your bottleneck, switching DNS servers seems unlikely to "improve performance"... are you sure DNS is slowing things down, not something else?
[03:24] <Proz01d> nope... but right now i'm pushing some dns server ip from the base openvpn isntall (it was commented out originally)
[03:27] <Kiall> you probably dont need to be pushing a DNS server with the VPN, not unless you have your own internal DNS setup on the far side of the VPN, and it sounds like you don't :)
[03:27] <Proz01d> i guess i can try diabling it
[03:37] <m_tadeu> what is the best place to put setkeycodes command?
[04:18] <maxagaz> hi
[04:20] <maxagaz> I'm in China where many website are banned, but I have a server abroad on which I installed OpenVPN, from this, can you tell me the main lines on how to open some website using this VPN ?
[05:00] <jmarsden> maxagaz: Sounds like you want to run a proxy on the "abroad" server and the point your local web browser to that proxy.  I have used tinyproxy for this sort of thing (well, not from China...!)
[05:03] <maxagaz> jmarsden, so, basically, what I need is a vpn (like openvpn), a proxy server (probably squid) and some iptables ?
[05:04] <jmarsden> squid would be very heavyweight for this kind of (single user) use, and since you already have the tunnel working, no real need for iptables changes that I can see... but other than that, yes.
[05:05] <jmarsden> If the authorities see your VPN tunnel and get suspicious of you, don't blame me :)
[05:06] <maxagaz> jmarsden, there's nothing wrong in making a tunnel, many companies do it
[05:07] <jmarsden> OK.  If I were trying to prevent people seeing some websites, I'd sure be suspicions of people using VPNs... it's the #1 obvious way to get around the blocking :)  Be glad I'm not the Chinese authorities :) :)
[05:07] <Kiall> maxagaz, you just need the VPN, so long as it sends a default route
[05:07] <Kiall> (and sends a DNS server from outside china)
[05:07] <jmarsden> Kiall: You can do that, but on a transcontinental link that could be pretty slow...
[05:08] <Kiall> a proxy will have the same issue + wont "hide" anything but HTTP (eg DNS ..)
[05:09] <maxagaz> Kiall, I already have the VPN working, how to redirect the traffic through it ?
[05:09] <jmarsden> A proxy inside the tunnel is more about bandwidth than hiding, IMO.  Better to only move the web traffic for the sites you need to use over the tunnel that way, leave the rest of your traffic out in the open locally.  But... theres more than one way to do it.
[05:10] <Kiall> maxagaz, if you add `push "redirect-gateway def1"` to the config .. it should move all traffic over then VPN
[05:10] <maxagaz> Kiall, where to add it ?
[05:10] <maxagaz> oh I see
[05:10] <Kiall> Anywhere in the server config file
[05:11] <Kiall> jmarsden, yea being selective about what you tunnel will obv make it faster.. but leaves you wide open to making a mistake :)
[05:11] <maxagaz> Kiall, but then all the traffic would be redirected, I just want the forbidden addresses to be redirected
[05:12] <Kiall> thats a tad harder to do - since your browser doesn't let you say "use proxy X for bla.com and bla2.com" ..
[05:12] <jmarsden> maxagaz: Use proxying and set your browser to selectively proxy ... firefox has addings like foxyproxy for that
[05:12] <jmarsden> Kiall: It does, with foxyproxy :)
[05:12] <Kiall> jmarsden, ah nice :)
[05:13] <maxagaz> that sounds a good idea
[05:13] <jmarsden> actually I hope it still does, not sure I have used that addon in Firefox 4.0 yet :)
[05:14] <Kiall> anyway - as jmarsden said, a proxy is better for selective traffic .. bear in mind that DNS may be blocked so try google's DNS servers (<IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>) .. if "they" prevent you using 3rd party DNS, you have to push DNS over the VPN aswell
[05:14] <maxagaz> I can change it manually to my resolv.conf
[05:15] <jmarsden> Kiall: Now that could get interesting... I wonder if you could set up a local DNS server and use bind views to do selective DNS forwarding :)
[05:15] <Kiall> sure - but they can catch all port 53 (DNS) traffic, and hijack it :)
[05:15] <Kiall> jmarsden, yea .. thats certainly possible
[05:16] <Kiall> you could do the same with a hosts file aswell tho :)
[05:17] <jmarsden> Kiall: well, harder to add every host *.microsoft.com to your hosts file than to tell a view to forward dns for *.microsoft.com through the VPN, I would think :)
[05:17] <jmarsden> or *.facebook.com, or *.google.com ...
[05:18] <Kiall> yup - I didn't think of that!
[05:23] <maxagaz> how to allow my vpn to make redirections ?
[05:27] <maxagaz> in foxyproxy, I have put the address of my vpn, but which port should I set ?
[05:30] <jmarsden> The port that your proxy is listening on :)
[05:30] <maxagaz> jmarsden, ah, so I still have to install a proxy
[05:31] <jmarsden> If you want to do this the "selective" way, then I think so.
[05:31] <jmarsden> foxyproxy is for using proxies... hence its name :)
[05:32] <maxagaz> jmarsden, and how to link the proxy to the vpn ?
[05:32] <maxagaz> jmarsden, else, anybody could use my server as a proxy...
[05:33] <jmarsden> Hmmm?  Run the proxy server on the remote server at the 'abroad' end of the VPN tunnel.  You can configure proxies to only accept request from specific IPs, etc... read the docs that come with whatever proxy server software you choose.
[05:33] <maxagaz> jmarsden, ok, I see
[05:33] <jmarsden> You may be able to only bind the proxy listener to the vpn tunnel interface on that server, so it is invisible to anyone else, too.
[05:36]  * Kiall would still just go the "want to visit something restricted? start VPN, all traffic goes via it.. done? disconnect" route.. much simplier :)
[05:37] <maxagaz> Kiall, how would you do that ?
[05:38] <Kiall> with the default route .. then you can just start and stop the VPN as you want to use it ..
[05:39] <Kiall> pretty much the same enabling disabling the proxy .. and safter/easier than creating a list of hosts for foxyproxy to selectively route over the VPN+Proxy combo
[05:39] <maxagaz> Kiall, you mean, by doing route del default gw, route add default gw my_vpn_ip ?
[05:40] <Kiall> no - with `push "redirect-gateway def1"` in the VPN servers config, and then you start/stop the VPN as you need to use it
[05:41] <maxagaz> Kiall, okay
[05:41] <Kiall> Its defiantly easier to manage that way :)
[05:43] <maxagaz> Kiall, okay, I'll try it right now
[05:48] <maxagaz> Kiall, do I also need a 'push "route..." ' ?
[05:49] <Kiall> nope - just the gateway
[05:49] <Kiall> maybe a `push "dhcp-option DNS <IP_ADDRESS>"` line aswell
[06:34] <maxagaz> Kiall, it didn't work
[06:35] <Kiall> humm what happened?
[06:35] <maxagaz> Kiall, when i restart the vpn client, i can't ping anything
[06:35] <maxagaz> Kiall, and even lost this chat room
[06:36] <Kiall> did you setup NAT on the server?
[06:36] <maxagaz> Kiall, no
[06:36] <maxagaz> Kiall, perhaps there are some default rules...
[06:37] <maxagaz> Kiall, i only have fail2ban in my iptables
[06:37] <Kiall> aha :) I thought that was mentioned earlier .. whoops ..
[06:38] <maxagaz> Kiall, ah... :)
[06:38] <Kiall> `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE` - assuming eth0 is the servers internet connection
[06:38] <Kiall> BUT
[06:38] <Kiall> be careful with this part!
[06:38] <Kiall> (you have console access to the server? or the ability to reboot it?)
[06:38] <maxagaz> why ?
[06:38] <maxagaz> Kiall, yes
[06:38] <Kiall> then no worries :)
[06:39] <maxagaz> Kiall, perhaps I sould just try it fo a few seconds
[06:39] <Kiall> Make a mistake with the rule and you could loose SSH access until you reboot / remove it (and that could be wrong .. its late!)
[06:39] <Kiall> once its added, it either works, or you need to reboot / remove the rule via the server
[06:40] <maxagaz> Kiall, I'll do it and pray
[06:40] <Kiall> ;)
[06:40] <Kiall> also `iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -i vtun0 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT`
[06:40] <maxagaz> oh, i need both...
[06:40] <Kiall> (assuming vtun0 == vpn interface, and eth0 == servers internet)
[06:40] <maxagaz> that was okay for the first one :)
[06:41] <maxagaz> it's just tun0 for me
[06:41] <Kiall> yea - tun0 instead of vtun0 then
[06:42] <maxagaz> okay, now let's restart the client to see if it works...
[06:42] <maxagaz> I might lose the chat again...
[06:42] <Kiall> you most likely will as it connects
[06:42] <Kiall> it should connect right back again tho - if it wored ;)
[06:42] <Kiall> worked*
[06:51] <maxagaz> I was disconnected
[06:51] <maxagaz> Kiall, those to rules were for the server, right ?
[06:51] <Kiall> yea
[06:52] <maxagaz> ok
[06:52] <Kiall> any idea what part failed?
[06:53] <Kiall> This might be worth a read :) http://alestic.com/2009/05/openvpn-ec2
[06:53] <Kiall> Skip the ec2 parts and see if there is anything in there you havent already done
[06:54] <maxagaz> Kiall, with the two open vpn settings you gave me, I should get <IP_ADDRESS> in my resolv.conf and some changes in my routes, right ?
[06:54] <Kiall> <IP_ADDRESS> resolv.conf doesnt always work (depends on the client settings...) .. but the default route should have swapped
[06:55] <maxagaz> Kiall, it didn't swap...
[06:56] <Kiall> see anything in that link you've missed?
[06:56] <maxagaz> firefox is still trying to open it
[06:56] <maxagaz> I hope this website isn't banned
[06:56] <maxagaz> so many websites are banned here
[06:57] <maxagaz> i'll have to use proxy4free to open it...
[06:58] <Kiall> or http://i.imgur.com/WvKFN.png
[06:58] <maxagaz> that one works :)
[06:59] <maxagaz> thanks a lot :)
[06:59] <Kiall> anyway - gotta run .. good luck
[07:00] <maxagaz> I have to go out to eat too, i'll try again once back, thanks a lot for your help
[08:19] <Zaclnxnewb> hi
[08:20] <Zaclnxnewb> Could someone help me get ddclient working?
[08:20] <Zaclnxnewb> or any DNS updater that will update multiple DNS servers with the dynamic IP?
[08:20] <Zaclnxnewb> What I've tried to work out isn't working
[08:20] <Zaclnxnewb> I would like it to update every 15 minutes
[11:55] <xperia> hello to all. i have very big problems with web server session handling. for some strange reason session data disapear when i go from one page to other inside my site. i have tryed last 24 hours all what i can think off but nothing helped till yet. need really help with this problem.
[13:22] <dkn> i'm trying to access a samba smb share from a mac, i'm trying to use force user & guest so anyone can write & delete files on this share, but i can only seem to create folders, not files
[16:28] <bluethundr_> hello... what is the ubuntu equivalent of chkconfig under red hat?
[16:41] <RoyK> anyone that can see wtf is wrong with this regex? it's meant to mach a mac address, but fails /[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}:[0-9a-f]{2}/
[17:06] <bencc> how do I know if I need tcp tuning? http://fasterdata.es.net/fasterdata/host-tuning/linux/
[17:06] <bencc> will I see errors?
[17:17] <jmarsden> bluethundr_: sudo service --status-all   # for a basic status list.  For run level details, you can try installing and using sysv-rc-conf
[17:49] <Proz01d> royk: did you get it qworking?\
[17:49] <Proz01d> where are you trying to run this?
[19:14] <uuser123> i am using ubuntu 10.04 ,how do i update my kvm to latest version
[19:16] <jmarsden> Is   qemu-kvm | 0.12.3+noroms-0ubuntu9.6 | lucid-updates | source, amd64, i386     recent enough for your needs?  That is in lucid-updates.
[19:41] <RoyK> Proz01d: yeah
[20:47] <divansantana> anyone know the current state of kolab with ubuntu server? There is a wiki page talking about it being included with 10.10 server, but not sure if it's working, don't see any release news?
[20:54] <divansantana> anyone?