[00:01] <bdrung> ari-tczew: pong
[00:08] <ari-tczew> bdrung: does ack-sync/syncpackage support noticing fakesync?
[00:09] <bdrung> ari-tczew: syncpackage detects and creates fakesyncs and therefore ack-sync does it too?
[00:09] <bdrung> ari-tczew: otherwise it's a bug
[00:10] <ari-tczew> bdrung: I'm only asking. I'll try ack-sync/syncpackage in natty.
[00:15] <Laney> ScottK: I'll talk to you about that at UDS since we have failed to have a voip chat about it ;)
[02:12] <ScottL> ScottK, sorry, i've been a bit delayed working on musescore, having back problems and doctor prescribed muscle relaxers today, we should get it built and test by tomorrow morning
[02:15] <sladen> by heck, they're breeding
[02:36] <highvoltage> /nick ScottJ
[02:37]  * highvoltage is bored and archive is frozen
[03:28] <ScottL> lol highvoltage and sladen  :)
[03:28] <ScottL> ScottJ was FTBFS
[04:26] <ScottK> ScottL: That should be fine.
[06:22] <superm1> ScottK, i want to say i saw a bug from you at some point that server is getting extra.ubuntu.com without the keyring package
[06:23] <superm1> what is the current plan to resolve that?  I noticed the same behavior in the mythbuntu RC just now
[06:24] <superm1> i'm expecting it's probably happening with xubuntu too
[06:33] <sladen> superm1: -> Launchpad -> File Bug -> High/Critical
[06:33] <superm1> sladen, he had an existing bug, i was hoping to piggy back off that but having trouble finding it
[06:35] <superm1> actually if i just look at recently filed bugs, here it is.  bug 653200
[06:35] <nigelb> bug 653200 or
[06:35] <nigelb> superm1: ah, beat me to it by a sec :)
[06:36] <nigelb> there is also bug 650525
[06:37] <superm1> i think the first one is more appropriate for this particular problem
[06:38] <nigelb> :)
[13:50] <ScottK> superm1: You need to decide if you want Mythbuntu to support extras.ubuntu.com or not.  ScottL probably needs to do similar.  Then either seed the keyring if you do or coordinate (via that bug probably) with mvo and cjwatson to make sure it does/doesn't get added to your sources.list.
[13:51] <ScottK> mr_pouit probably needs to consider it for Xubuntu, although for that one I think it's more likely the keyring should just be seeded (if it's not, I didn't check).
[14:32] <ScottL> ScottK, can you tell me more about extras.ubuntu.com and why we might want it included in our sources.list
[14:33] <ScottL> ScottK, btw, i'm building musescore in pbuilder upstairs right now
[14:34] <ScottK> ScottL: It's the repository for packages approved through the new Application Review Board.
[14:35] <ScottK> Since you're providing what is essentially a desktop system, I think you probably want it.
[14:35] <ScottK> (If you depend on ubuntu-desktop (I didn't check), then you already have the keyring)
[14:47] <ari-tczew> what are the ways to apply changed to Debian through DD?
[14:48] <ari-tczew> 1. NMU with ACK from maintainer ?
[14:48] <ari-tczew> 2. if it's QA, DD can do upload alone?
[14:51] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, both are also right but if you want to fix a RC bug for example you do a NMU with permission from debian maintainer
[14:53] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi: so, I'm thinking about create a list Merge-o-Matic based on QA packages
[14:53] <ari-tczew> then DD who contributes to Ubuntu can see what it's possible to apply
[14:53] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, hmm
[14:55] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi: this way we can create a tool, which will help to reduce a delta
[14:55] <mr_pouit> ScottK: bwarf, thanks, I'll seed it. Was the package name announced somewhere (e.g. on ubuntu-devel?), or was I supposed to guess that or grep through maverick-changes and all lp bugs?
[14:56] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, a small doubt though, are you referring to a DD getting to know about patches present/applied in ubuntu?
[14:58] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi: yes.
[14:58] <mr_pouit> it exists already
[14:58] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, then its already present in DDPO I think
[14:59] <coolbhavi> mr_pouit, exactly
[14:59] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi: what is DDPO?
[15:00] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, Debian developer packages org I think
[15:02] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, I suggest you look at ubuntu column in pts of a debian package
[15:04] <ari-tczew> coolbhavi: cold you give me a link? I'm a lazy  a bit :P
[15:05] <coolbhavi> ari-tczew, sure just a second
[15:06] <coolbhavi> http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mobile-broadband-provider-info.html ari-tczew look at right hand bottom corner in ubuntu column
[15:23] <quidnunc> Is there a way to get changelog entries from installed packages?
[15:25] <coolbhavi> quidnunc, a simple way via synaptic is here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto#View the Changelog of a Package
[15:26] <quidnunc> coolbhavi: I meant from the cli
[15:26] <iulian> aptitude changelog <pkg>?
[15:26] <mr_pouit>  /usr/share/doc/<package name>/changelog.Debian.gz
[15:27] <coolbhavi> quidnunc, apt-listchanges maybe?
[15:27] <coolbhavi> quidnunc, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/apt-listchanges.1.html
[15:28] <quidnunc> mr_pouit: Thanks
[15:29] <quidnunc> coolbhavi: Thanks, that's useful though not exactly what I wanted right now since it requires the deb
[15:30] <coolbhavi> quidnunc, hmm okay
[16:00] <ScottK> mr_pouit: It may be in desktop-common already.  Not sure.
[16:02] <ScottK> mr_pouit: I just accepted xubuntu-meta, so your updates are in.
[16:11] <ScottK> If someone wanted to fix http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56434966/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-powerpc.quik_2.1-9.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz the solution is to add -fno-stack-protector to CFLAGS for powerpc.
[16:11] <ScottK> I just didn't have a chance to do it.
[16:20] <ScottL> ScottK, musescore-0.9.3 tested and if we still have time it would be nice to include it in maverick
[16:32] <ScottK> ScottL: OK.  Will do.
[16:33] <ScottK> ScottL: Accepted.
[17:05] <ScottL> thank you ScottK
[17:07] <ScottK> ScottL: You're welcome.  Thanks for testing.
[17:12] <ScottL> ScottK, you're welcome as well :)
[17:33] <ricotz> ScottK, hi, could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docky/+bug/653662
[17:34] <ScottK> I was just reading it in my inbox.
[17:34] <ricotz> ok ;)
[17:35] <ScottK> Laney: ^^^ What do you think?
[17:35] <ScottK> (He's the last one to touch it and familiar with the package)
[17:36] <hyperair> afaik ricotz was the one who made this release of docky in debian though.
[17:37] <ScottK> Yes, which is good, but I'd like to get a second opinion from Laney.
[17:37] <ricotz> ScottK, it is a bug-fix only release and i will prepare a sru for lucid at some point
[17:38] <ScottK> ricotz: OK.  If it's bug fix only and not on any ISO images, it doesn't need release team approval.
[17:38] <ScottK> It just needs approval from an Ubuntu developer.
[17:38] <ricotz> ScottK, ok, sorry, i just want to do this right
[17:39] <ScottK> ricotz: Certainly.  No harm in asking.
[17:39] <ScottK> Trusting developers to upload a week before release without RT review is a little different than Debian does it ;-)
[17:57] <mr_pouit> ScottK: thanks!
[17:58] <ScottK> mr_pouit: You're welcome.
[18:55] <crimsun> bdrung: is audacious/util.h deliberately missing in maverick's audacious-dev?  (looking at xmp's FTBFS)
[18:58] <bdrung> crimsun: probably. i found src/libaudtag/util.h and src/audacious/util.h, but they are not installed.
[18:59] <bdrung> crimsun: i checked it again: upstream does not install the util.h file.
[19:01] <bdrung> crimsun: most functions defined there are removed. you probably have to include an other file in xmp.
[19:02] <bdrung> crimsun: i'll be away in 5 mins
[19:03] <crimsun> bdrung: sure, I'll take a look when I chunk through my backlog of 15.000 e-mails
[19:04] <bdrung> crimsun: have you been on holiday for one or two weeks? ;)
[19:05] <crimsun> bdrung: I have very infrequent Internet access because of my work location
[19:05] <bdrung> ok
[21:14]  * RainCT waits for someone to react to the "We've been doing this for 6 years and it's not working." comment (UDS brainstorm app devs thread)
[21:18] <kklimonda> RainCT: heh, maybe ScottK's question is importent - should we switch to the BSD (or similar model) where we disitrbute only the core.. but then, what is the core of the Desktop-oriented distribution? questions, questions..
[21:18] <kklimonda> important*
[21:19] <ScottK> If we want to change the distribution model, then we should consider it and do it on purpose, not just back into it.
[21:19] <kklimonda> right
[21:24] <sladen> mmmhmm, incremental transition/adjustment/experimentation tends to me functional that dropping everything and going in a different direction


[07:18] <nixternal> Jucato: that guy rob west in #kubuntu, him and i are in msg, he is from the same town, a very small town...he is giving me the scoop on my old stomping grounds
[07:18] <Jucato> nixternal: ooh that's nice. it's always nice to discover a fellow Linux user, much more a Kubuntu user, who lives nearby
[07:19] <nixternal> well, i don't live near there anymore, but all of my family does
[07:19] <nixternal> i am in chicago now, about 2.5 hours from him, still nto that far
[07:19] <Jucato> aah
[11:13] <froud> Riddell: anyone installing KDE 4 should best look at http://developer.kde.org/build/trunk.html and http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
[04:21] <Riddell> Lure: slovenia is changing to the euro?
[04:22] <toma> Riddell: according to a thread on kde-i18n, it is
[04:22] <Riddell> did they tell the EU I wonder
[04:22] <toma> so I can throw away my Tolars ;-)
[04:23] <toma> which were worthless anyhow probably
[04:24] <toma> Riddell: yes they did tell them: http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm
[04:25] <toma> what about romania then?
[04:25] <Riddell> they're not in the EU yet
[04:25] <Riddell> not for another few hours anyway
[04:25] <toma> ;-0
[04:26] <Riddell> "Ireland's national language will get official status in the EU on 1 January 2007"  ooh, squillions of documents translated into a language nobody can understand :)
[04:26] <toma> ;-)
[04:26] <toma> so romania joins, but does not change currency?
[04:26] <mhb> no
[04:26] <mhb> well, yes
[04:27] <toma> ah
[04:27] <mhb> it is common to join and have your own currenc
[04:27] <mhb> y
[04:27] <mhb> all the newer EU members have their own currency, slovenia is the first one to get the Euro
[04:30] <mhb> by the way, happy New Year to all of you and Kubuntu
[04:31] <toma> mhb: the same to you !
[04:38] <mhb> one more thing from me: can we do a nicer volume up / volume down pop-up when using the laptop keys? Do you know where the current widget is set up?
[05:22] <ryanakca> oooh... *always wanted to learn gaelic... that language that squillions of documents will be translated into, and that nobody can understand*
[05:59] <Lure> Riddell: yes - tonight ;-)
[06:00] <Lure> happy new year to kubuntu team members
[08:20] <nixternal> my new toy -> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/sys/255601339.html


[05:31] <humphreybc> alright
[05:31] <humphreybc> time to get shit done
[05:55] <humphreybc> Okay, i just tallied up all the bug reports
[05:56] <humphreybc> so far, we've had 5 people meet the 10 confirmed bugs requirement
[05:56] <humphreybc> Marc Stewart far exceeded that, with about 50 reported(!)
[05:56] <humphreybc> And we have two people, Martin Lukes and "Andrew" who have 9 reported.
[07:17] <Zeike> humphreybc, what is the prize?
[08:50] <humphreybc> Zeike: If you win, it's a copy of the manual
[09:39] <humphreybc> flan, you around?
[09:39] <humphreybc> thorwil: you need to make a new logo for the Quickshot team :)
[09:42] <thorwil> humphreybc: i have that on my list, although with low priority. hoping to get a good idea out of the blue. didn't happen so far
[09:43] <thorwil> vish: any ideas for the quickshot logo?
[09:45] <humphreybc> I've pretty much finished the Quickshot website design
[09:45] <humphreybc> didn't take long :)
[09:45] <humphreybc> Just have to run it past Luke and flan
[09:50] <vish> thorwil: /me thinking
[09:50] <humphreybc> something with the right colour palette
[09:50] <humphreybc> ie, orange, aubergine and shades of gray
[09:51]  * humphreybc is tempted to make thorwil re-do the UMP logo to make it more ubunt-ey
[09:51]  * thorwil wonders if humphreybc likes to run into a wall, head-first
[09:58] <thorwil> good morning, ubuntujenkins
[09:58] <ubuntujenkins> morning thorwil
[10:01] <ubuntujenkins> they added a link to our website on ubuntu geek! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html#more-6253
[10:01] <ubuntujenkins> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/download-free-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-pdf-guide.html
[10:01] <ubuntujenkins> thats link ^
[10:02] <thorwil> but why that messed up thumbnail with ump logo added?
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> I did not even expect a response. For some reason they want to collect loads of info to give out the manual like the page be found
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> ben
[11:33] <ubuntujenkins> yea I have it solved :)
[11:42] <ubuntujenkins> check this out! http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89110/quickshot_008_B1bPsK.png I have it at last
[11:42] <ubuntujenkins> It has taken ages to get this correct
[11:43]  * ubuntujenkins nudges flan to look at ^  when he gets up
[11:44] <ubuntujenkins> daker:  check this out! http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89110/quickshot_008_B1bPsK.png
[11:45] <daker> beautiful
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> I know it has taken days to get it right.
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> I fell like i am on a roll no
[11:45] <ubuntujenkins> now
[12:18] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: the text on top is redundant, you should drop it
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> Which bit? "quickshot"
[12:19] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: "Please fill in ..."
[12:19] <thorwil> especially the 2nd sentence, as the checkbox label tells you the same
[12:20] <ubuntujenkins> very true
[12:20] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: everything is clear, except for the Project/Description area. what is that about?
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> You have to choose which project that you want to take screenshots for.
[12:23] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: consider to add a label to it. like "Projects to take screenshots for:"
[12:23] <ubuntujenkins> done :) just doing a picture to show you
[12:24] <ubuntujenkins> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89126/quickshot_009_zKd44q.png
[12:24] <ubuntujenkins> thoughts now please
[12:24] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: consider to remove the Close button. but if it stays, and if the next page has a Previous button, make sure each button stays in the same position on all pages
[12:24] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: such that the Previous button will not be there where Close is on the first page
[12:25] <ubuntujenkins> I had not thought about a previous button if i move the close to the far left and add a pevious
[12:26] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: ok, so the long from with "Choose ...". you have a . instead of : at the end
[12:27] <ubuntujenkins> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89128/quickshot_011_M7WnSf.png what about now
[12:29] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: good. make it a tiny bit wider, or switch to the shorter "Projects to take screenshots for:" or even better "Take screenshots for:" label
[12:29] <thorwil> dang
[12:30] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: good. make it a tiny bit wider, or switch to the shorter "Projects to take screenshots for:" or even better "Take screenshots for:" label
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> chnaged
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> thanks thorwil I will run some more past you when i have done them if thats ok
[12:32] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: that's fine
[12:32] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: quickshot is now www.facebook.com/quickshotteam and www.twitter.com/quickshotteam
[14:21] <daker> flan, ping
[14:22] <daker> ubuntujenkins, ping
[14:27] <daker> http://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/index.html?project=5e8d3e0ab985024303b05b7d791f686f16f42098
[14:33] <ubuntujenkins> daker: pong
[14:34] <daker> http://gomockingbird.com/mockingbird/index.html?project=5e8d3e0ab985024303b05b7d791f686f16f42098
[14:35] <ubuntujenkins> thats really cool, what is the mockingbird a mock up site?
[14:35] <ubuntujenkins> why the facebook logo in several places?
[14:37] <ubuntujenkins> I like it, what does your comment say in the comment box? just interested
[14:39] <daker_> the facebook logo is there just t represent the application logo
[14:41] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i guessed
[14:42] <ubuntujenkins> Is the large grey bar at the top of the browser part of the website or part of mockingbird?
[14:43] <daker_> yes
[14:43] <daker_> mockingbird
[14:44] <ubuntujenkins> I look forward to the real thing
[14:45] <ubuntujenkins> england vs slovina starts in 15 minutes
[14:46] <daker> USA vs Algerie in 15minutes
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> lets hope england can win
[14:48] <daker> \o/
[14:48] <daker> http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=102416
[14:49] <ubuntujenkins> brilliant
[15:13] <flan> That mockup scares me.
[15:14] <ubuntujenkins> hey flan, why?
[15:14] <flan> It scares me because it is absolute overkill and far, far from the sense of minimalism I want.
[15:14] <ubuntujenkins> that is just the page that every one sees not that admin stuff
[15:14] <flan> Facebook? Ratings? Tags? Links to the project manual before it's even been compiled?
[15:15] <flan> Well, yes, perhaps, but it's a task-based system. The public interface exists only so people can get an idea of what still needs to be done.
[15:16] <flan> Although this could work well for the central server.
[15:16] <flan> If repurposed a little.
[15:16] <ubuntujenkins> well the facebook is ment to be our logo. We would nto have contbiutors pictures as we have no way to get them.  we could have a link to builds.ubuntu-manual.org
[15:16] <ubuntujenkins> saying they are draft versions
[15:17] <flan> But not every project will be following out build model.
[15:17] <flan> our*
[15:17] <ubuntujenkins> yea thats true I keep forgetting that
[15:18] <ubuntujenkins> I am getting there wiht the gui http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/89128/quickshot_011_M7WnSf.png is a page it like
[15:19] <ubuntujenkins> one lable has changed on that so that screenshot is slighlty out atm
[15:19] <flan> I'd like to suggest separating that into two steps.
[15:19] <ubuntujenkins> I can do, I will give it a go
[15:20] <flan> The first time Quickshot starts up, the user should be prompted to enter personal information (and this prompt should be made available from a menu at any later time).
[15:20] <flan> More information that that will be desired. I'll link to the database definition in a moment.
[15:20] <ubuntujenkins> so a prefernces option
[15:20] <flan> Yeah.
[15:21] <flan> Like have a Project | Preferences | Help set at the top menu level.
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> yea something like that works well
[15:22] <flan> The second screen, which becomes the default once personal information has been set (stored in ~/.quickshot/contributor_profile or something), would allow for project selection.
[15:22] <ubuntujenkins> GGGGGOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLlll
[15:22] <ubuntujenkins> yea i see makes sense.
[15:23] <flan> A list that contains references to all things pulled fromt he central server, a list of recently opened projects (~/.quickshot/recent_projects), an input field for entering a web address to pull project information, and a browse field for finding a .qsproj file.
[15:23] <flan> I'll write a library for that which will take any form of input and output a server-session object.
[15:23] <flan> Which can be used for all interactions with the server,
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> cool that sounds great, I will finish what i have and show you it all
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> I think i need to rearage what i have
[15:24] <flan> There'll probably be a lot of tuning.
[15:24] <flan> Glad to see you got the Gnome HIG stuff worked out, though.
[15:24] <flan> Just padding around the hboxes?
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> yea, we want to get this right. I do a hbox which had the menu bar in and then in the other part of the hbox but a hbox with a 12 pixel border is the best way i have found
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> *but > put
[15:26] <flan> It definitely looks natural as it's laid out right now.
[15:27] <flan> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/server/annotate/head:/quickshot/quickshot/model/__init__.py
[15:27] <ubuntujenkins> I was pleased when i cracked that this morning
[15:27] <flan> 168-171 is all I've come up with for trackable information.
[15:27] <flan> If you can think of anything else, just add it to that table and the one below it.
[15:27] <ubuntujenkins> yep i have that saved some where
[15:28] <ubuntujenkins> will do
[15:28] <flan> It's really the same as what you have, only with an extra website field.
[15:29] <flan> Which will be exposed in the project information, if provided.
[15:29] <flan> (E-mails will only be visible to owners)
[15:30] <flan> (So it'll be up to them to decide whether the e-mail address goes into the final document or not)
[15:30] <flan> (They're just necessary unique identifiers)
[15:30] <humphreybc> I have the draft of the new QS website to show you guys :)
[15:30] <flan> Ooh.
[15:30] <flan> And we have screenshots of the in-development server.
[15:31]  * ubuntujenkins nods at flans comments
[15:31] <ubuntujenkins> hey humphreybc
[15:31] <flan> And daker's mockup, from which I think I can draw stylistic inspiration (but which is total overkill for an admin-oriented backend).
[15:31] <humphreybc> have a looksie, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-pngs.zip
[15:32] <humphreybc> be back in a sec
[15:33] <flan> I'm thinking a .sqproj file will, at this point, really just be a URL pointing to a config path on the server.
[15:33] <flan> Which means the recent projects file can be as simple as a series of names paired with URLs.
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I don't like the orange of blue/green not sure its quite right
[15:35] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: It's meant to follow similar styles to our site and the Ubuntu site
[15:35] <flan> The three pages all look a little too similar, what with the image on the right...
[15:35] <flan> Just a placeholder?
[15:35] <humphreybc> nope, the idea is that the text just fades in and out
[15:35] <humphreybc> when you change page
[15:35] <flan> Ah.
[15:36] <humphreybc> but I'm happy to have more images
[15:36] <ubuntujenkins> our facebook is www.facebook.com/quickshotteam to match our twitter
[15:36] <ubuntujenkins> flan: are you on facebook so i can add you as a page admin?
[15:36] <flan> http://uguu.ca/ The first two posts talk about the QS server, with actual screenshots. (Though I'm making lots of tweaks)
[15:36] <flan> I am now.
[15:36] <flan> humphreybc just set it.
[15:37] <flan> Oh.
[15:37] <flan> Wait.
[15:37] <flan> No.
[15:37] <flan> Not on Facebook.
[15:37] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough
[15:37] <flan> I'm not a fan of social media.
[15:37] <flan> It is evil.
[15:37] <ubuntujenkins> lol :)
[15:37] <flan> EVIL.
[15:37]  * flan hisses.
[15:37] <humphreybc> well when we have more solid screenshots, we can put them on the site
[15:37] <humphreybc> nothing's happening yet, we don't even have a domain name :)
[15:38] <ubuntujenkins> well we have facebook and twitter, I hope to get lots of people testing by taking screenshots of quickshot for our docs
[15:38] <humphreybc> But I have about half a dozen design things to do so I'm nailing the UMP related ones first
[15:38] <flan> I'm projecting full functionality by early July, with testing and client-side libraries (so people could start building Qs server access into their own applications) by mid-July.
[15:38] <ubuntujenkins> I like this site http://ground-control.org/
[15:39] <flan> But I'm moving in mid-July, so that might get pushed back a little.
[15:39] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: I wanted to make it simpler than that
[15:39] <humphreybc> there's far too much text :)
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> but its shiney :)
[15:39] <humphreybc> lol
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> moving far flan ? england ?
[15:40] <humphreybc> also, the get involved link will take you to ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved and will be on the "Programmer" role
[15:40] <flan> No. Within Calgary.
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> we should have a manual team meet at some point
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I think that the manual site shoudl point at us no the other way around
[15:41] <humphreybc> what do you mean?
[15:41] <humphreybc> quickshot is going to get www.quickshot.org
[15:41] <flan> It is?
[15:41] <humphreybc> yes indeed
[15:41] <flan> I thought we were taking quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org.
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> "the get involved link will take you to ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved and will be on the "Programmer" role" I think it should be on our site that you get linked to. from the manual site
[15:41] <humphreybc> just temporarily
[15:42] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc has big plans as always :)
[15:42] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: no, because Quickshot isn't the only programming project UMP has
[15:42] <flan> Is there a good reason for launching an independent site when we're really just producing a tool for a niche audience?
[15:42] <flan> A niche audience that we'd want to have contribute to UMP wherever possible?
[15:42] <humphreybc> flan: the idea of its own site is to try and widen the audience
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: but then quickshot will not only be used by the manual team
[15:43] <humphreybc> exactly
[15:43] <flan> But widen it to whom? Granted, I have no intention of building anything so it's only usable on Ubuntu, but I don't see a problem with having hosting association between the two projects.
[15:43] <humphreybc> other teams within Ubuntu, other distros
[15:44] <humphreybc> The links will still be there, from the text at the bottom, cross-linking and obviously the style will be similar
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the word quickhsot on http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/programmers should link to the quickshot get invloved page
[15:44] <flan> Well, yes, but it's not like having a different URL will instantly spread word-of-mouth.
[15:45] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: I don't want to have multiple get involved things when people are mainly coming to the same place to ask how they can help
[15:45] <humphreybc> flan: No it won't, but I still think the project needs its own URL
[15:46] <flan> Politically, we're supportng UMP and UMP is providing us with traffic to boost our exposure. (Even though, practically, we'd be working on other projects within UMP and other parts of the greater community)
[15:46] <ubuntujenkins> the page i linked has almost nothing on quickhsot when someone joins i tell them lots of things
[15:46] <flan> And then they get scared and run away. =P
[15:46] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[15:46] <humphreybc> just trust me
[15:46] <humphreybc> :)
[15:46] <ubuntujenkins> I tell then to look at
[15:46] <ubuntujenkins> ?style
[15:46] <quickshotdevs> The Quickshot code base tries to follow some conventions  a list of them is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/style .
[15:47] <flan> I want to, but I think your ambition may be a little misguided on this point.
[15:47] <humphreybc> we can always quite easily hack up a get involved page on quickshot.org
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> ?branch
[15:47] <quickshotdevs> Factoid 'branch' not found
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> ?help
[15:47] <quickshotdevs> Useage: ?<factoid> Examples: ?website , ?blueprint , ?qssource , ?involved , ?question , ?style , ?use , ?ppa , ?quickshot , ?code , ?launchpad , ?bug
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> ?qssource
[15:47] <quickshotdevs> The main development focus for the gui can be viewed by doing "bzr branch lp:quickshot"  . The server source is "bzr branch lp:quickshot/server ".  You can browse it here https://code.launchpad.net/quickshot
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> ?code
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> etc you get the ides :)
[15:48] <humphreybc> yep
[15:49] <flan> Maybe it's sentiment, but I kinda want to make it seem like the Quickshot project is closely associated with UMP and that UMP is demonstrating its intention to share its resources with everyone.
[15:49] <flan> And that using quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org would do that better than an independent domain.
[15:49] <humphreybc> quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org is far too long
[15:50] <flan> Far too long for who, though?
[15:50] <humphreybc> maybe qs.ubuntu-manual.org or ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[15:50] <humphreybc> or /qs
[15:50] <humphreybc> memorability
[15:51] <humphreybc> ubuntu-manual.org isn't particularly good either
[15:51] <flan> It's not a page people will be visiting every day, though...
[15:51] <humphreybc> no I know
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> I think in our meeting a while ago we said quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org would do untill we got bigger
[15:51]  * flan AFKs for thirty minutes, but wants to continue this discussion.
[15:52] <humphreybc> I've got to go to bed, it's almost 3am
[15:52] <ubuntujenkins> night then humphreybc
[15:52] <humphreybc> we should have a meeting this weekend, yeah
[16:04] <ubuntujenkins> ggggrrr off side
[16:06] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: my dad is asking ME to get on the fifa site and check the score, just coz he cant be bothered to get off his ass
[16:07] <ubuntujenkins> what can't he watch telly? of do it him self
[16:07] <ubuntujenkins> thank goodness david james is good
[16:08] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: no, my dad is a lazy bloke, and he is watching his favourite show over the soccer right now :)
[16:08] <ubuntujenkins> hehe
[16:21] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[16:44] <flan> Back.
[16:45] <ubuntujenkins> hey flan ben went to bed it was 3am for him
[16:45] <ubuntujenkins> 3 minutes left on the england game
[16:46] <ubuntujenkins> please waste time england
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> yeeeeesssss
[16:58] <flan> I saw.
[16:58] <flan> Him.
[16:58] <flan> Not the game.
[16:58] <flan> Your game is silly.
[16:58] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[16:58]  * flan disses sports.
[16:58]  * flan expects to die.
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> just because canada is no there :P
[16:59] <ubuntujenkins> *not
[16:59] <flan> No, I just dislike sports.
[16:59] <flan> That applies to hockey and whatever else we play in Canada, too.
[17:00] <flan> Lacrosse, I guess.
[17:05] <daker> congratulations ubuntujenkins
[17:06] <ubuntujenkins> daker: thanks, I thought my defending was good :P
[17:17] <flan> Thanks for the mockup, daker. I'll take what I can from it, but I'm afraid our views of the scope of the project differ quite a bit.
[17:18] <flan> What I'm working on is just the admin backend for the Quickshot server: the thing people like ubuntujenkins will see when managing the screenshots for a project.
[17:19] <flan> Your design seems more suited to the Quickshot homepage, where we're planning to centralize a bunch of projects.
[17:19] <flan> (User base of about three or four people versus a whole community)
[17:20] <flan> I killed him with feedback. D:
[17:30] <ubuntujenkins> be back later
[20:18] <thorwil> 0.o http://html5zombo.com/
[20:20] <c7p> lol
[20:20] <daker> yep it's HTML5
[20:21] <c7p> html5 is enriched html4 ?
[20:24] <daker> html5 give more power and more flexibility as you can see here http://zombo.com/ this is a flash annimation
[20:24] <daker> and with HTML5 he can do the same thing http://html5zombo.com/
[20:24] <daker> just with metatags
[20:25] <dutchie> and no flash \o/
[20:26] <daker> yep
[20:26] <c7p> cool
[20:28] <daker> dutchie, well you can use flash in your html document but and you can make annimation just by combining HTML+javascript(jquery or Motools)
[20:28] <c7p> so the whole animation and sound (very funny btw) stuff in what format is saved ? (sry for silly questions :D)
[20:29] <dutchie> daker: yes, but i wish flash would die, because it is proprietary, insecure, and the performance is terrible
[20:29] <c7p> daker now i see
[20:30] <daker> c7p, .html , the sound is an mp3
[20:31] <c7p> ok ty :)
[20:32] <daker> i can play a sound just like that         <audio autoplay="autoplay" playcount="999" id="looper" loop="true">
[20:32] <daker>             <source src="sound.mp3"></source>
[20:32] <daker>             <source src="sound.ogg"></source>
[20:32] <daker>         </audio>
[20:33] <daker> you don't have to put any flash player to the sounds :)
[20:53] <c7p> I'm impressed :D, I love html5 hehe
[20:59] <daker> hohohoh 2-0
[21:00] <daker> 5 mini between two goals
[21:05] <ubuntujenkins> hello all
[21:06] <daker> hi ubuntujenkins
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[21:10] <daker> 2 - 1
[21:10] <daker> another time Jabulani
[21:20] <daker> c7p, Ghana ouep
[21:20] <c7p> ghana and germany are on 16 ?
[21:22] <daker> yep
[21:23] <daker> USA and ENG
[21:26] <daker> dutchie, ping
[21:27] <dutchie> pong
[21:28] <daker> do you know about internalisation in django ?
[21:29] <dutchie> i know it exists
[21:29] <dutchie> i have never used it
[21:29] <daker> oki
[21:30] <daker> we should collaborate in the next few weeks
[21:32] <daker> check that http://www.neatorama.com/2010/06/22/click-here/
[21:32] <daker> \o/
[21:42] <daker> So good check http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CH9tYHEWnDk/TCC8LKfWJlI/AAAAAAAAM1o/q6R7Q8LVj5Y/s1600/Isabel-MastacheTrouser1.jpg
[21:48] <daker> guys!!! do you think we should install a forum for the project ? forum.ubuntu-manual.org ?
[21:49] <c7p> yes for sure
[21:49] <daker> or the ML is enough ?
[21:49]  * dutchie dislikes fora
[21:52] <c7p> well it helps very much, you don't have to search through the whole mess of messages to find some useful info, everything is categorized
[21:52] <dutchie> some people like them
[21:52] <dutchie> not for me
[21:52] <daker> c7p, +1
[21:54] <c7p> on the forum we can have different sections for translators, editors, developers future plans etc ;)
[21:54] <daker> subsections too
[21:55] <c7p> yap
[21:55] <daker> we should detail this point in the next meeting
[21:55] <c7p> we can discuss about it on the next meeting
[21:55] <daker> \o/
[21:56] <c7p> :p
[22:20] <daker> http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> daker: what about making it a docs forum? I would like a quickshot section if possible. the only issue is forums need lots of server space. also the docs team might want a spot
[22:29] <daker> space & time
[22:29] <daker> Admins & moderators
[22:29] <ubuntujenkins> well i would happly help where i can. the mailing list does not get much traffic to be fair
[22:30] <daker> we can discuss about it on the next meeting so everyone can give his opinion
[22:32] <ubuntujenkins> or her :P
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> what about asking the current forums people if we can have a part?
[22:39] <c7p> why don't we ask canonical to pay for the forum services ? We are documenting its product and also we are going to work on their official documentation page (help.ubuntu.com) (right ?)
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure canonical would pay we chose to do the project we can't ask them to pay us. I think we would be best keeping the forums in one place and see if we could get a section on the current ones as a documentaion section. manual/docs/learning teams
[22:48] <c7p> i don't ask to pay us. Canonical provide LoCo teams with CDs if they ask, what I'm saying is to provide us the services :). I don't think a medium forum is big deal, it can be hosted on a canonical's server
[22:49] <c7p> I have to mention that the forum of our LoCo team is hosted on a server of a university :D
[22:59]  * ubuntujenkins nods
[23:01] <c7p> night all
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> night c7p


[13:52] <notsky> Hello.
[13:52] <jrib> hi
[13:53] <jrib> "I just plugged my ntfs drives in and voila, there it was."
[13:53] <notsky> Yep
[13:53] <jrib> notsky: where?
[13:53] <notsky> Places-> Computer.
[13:53] <jrib> then go there
[13:53] <jrib> and click on your drive
[13:53] <notsky> yeah?
[13:54] <notsky> what next?
[13:54] <jrib> now show hidden files and investigate any .Trash* directories
[13:55] <notsky> Ah!
[13:55] <notsky> I see it now
[13:55] <notsky> Thanks
[13:56] <notsky> Wonder why I can't see it from Places->drive though. Security feature?
[13:56] <jrib> it should be in your Trash if you deleted it with your user
[13:57] <notsky> So basically I accessed it as a super-user then eh?
[13:58] <jrib> if you deleted it as super-user, then yes
[13:58] <notsky> Probably. I had to input my password when I accessed the drives. But then again I couldn't see the drives(from Places) before that. Just "Computer"
[13:58] <notsky> Oh, and my DVD-drive.
[14:00] <jrib> well you can setup permissions on the ntfs partitions
[14:00] <jrib> !ntfs-3g
[14:00] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[14:00] <jrib> have you run ntfs-config like in that link?
[14:01] <notsky> Nope
[14:01] <notsky> I just installed ubuntu 7.10 today(around 5AM if I'm not wrong)
[14:02] <notsky> I had a few problems with installation(and getting the livecd/dvd) to run, but ultimately I fixed it....(though I still have a bootloader in one of my other drives... weirdly enough)
[14:04] <notsky> Originally I had all my drives plugged in(ubuntu's livedvd thing didn't detect my boot drive properly so it installed the bootloader in the wrong drive), had problems with bootup, decided to unplug the other drives, reinstall and then plug 'em back in. It automagically detected those drives and mounted them..
[14:06] <notsky> so well, I think it doesn't automount the drives now, but auto-detects them or something, such that when I double click on them (in "Computer") they auto-mount. Real nice.
[14:09] <jrib> use ntfs-config
[14:10] <jrib> notsky:
[14:11] <notsky> ?
[14:11] <jrib> use ntfs-config if you want the drives to be automounted
[14:35] <notsky> jrib, I have a similar issue. This time I experimented by right clicking and clicking "send to trash" When I clicked the "Trash" folder I noticed it was not there
[14:36] <notsky> err
[14:36] <notsky> forget it
[14:36] <notsky> I keep forgetting to check "Show hidden files"
[14:36] <notsky> Thanks again


[03:23] <itnet7> rofl munz !
[03:40] <munz> :)
[08:54] <Chat3786> I'm new to this is this room just for a meeting?
[14:57] <DammitJim> anybody using playonlinux?
[15:12] <mhall119> nope
[15:12] <mhall119> what is it
[15:16] <munz> lulzsec, aka lulz boat hacked pbs and put up tupac alive article http://freze.it/5S LOL
[15:17] <DammitJim> mhall119, it uses wine to be able to run windows apps
[15:44] <munz> anyone know of a side by side compare of 10.10 vs 11.04 changes/features?
[15:47] <bluebomb> lol@tupac
[16:10] <mhall119> munz: one second
[16:11] <mhall119> munz: check  out http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new
[16:14] <munz> cool thanks :)
[16:42] <DammitJim> are solid state hard drives faster than regular platter hard drives?
[16:43] <mhall119> DammitJim: yes
[16:44] <DammitJim> like a gazillion times faster?
[16:45] <tiemonster> pi times faster
[16:46] <DammitJim> whoa
[16:46] <tiemonster> I'm totally kidding
[16:49] <tiemonster> SATA II ~ 128MB/sec, SSD ~ 250MB/sec
[16:50] <DammitJim> so, double the performance for triple the price
[16:50] <DammitJim> hhhmmm
[16:50] <tiemonster> that's how it works
[16:50] <tiemonster> if you go on Newegg, the category with the most number of drives is the best speed for the money
[16:51] <tiemonster> if markets are efficient


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[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192548 in rhythmbox (main) ""Data flow error" after streaming for a long time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192548
[04:17] <ubotu> New bug: #84666 in kubuntu-docs "https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/hardware.html has incorrect instructions for nvidia configuration." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84666
[04:17] <ubotu> New bug: #192537 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192537
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #130887 in gimp (main) "gimp-remote-2.3 crashed with signal 5" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130887
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #146652 in gimp (main) "gimp-2.4 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146652
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #149313 in gimp (main) "gimp-2.4 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_lookup()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149313
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192550 in ubuntu "glxgears image split across screen in hardy 64-bit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192550
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192551 in freetype (main) "[hardy] slight font hinting mode incorrectly renders: fi, fl, ff" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192551
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192552 in udev (main) "udev: typo in rdma_ucm rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192552
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192553 in gnome-panel (main) "unresponsive applications -- they turn gray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192553
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192554 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in pidgin_whiteboard_draw_brush_line()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192554
[06:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192555 in ubuntu "Googleearth gives error on starting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192555
[06:54] <ubotu> New bug: #192559 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (main) "alsa update breaks kernel ABI" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192559
[06:54] <ubotu> New bug: #192560 in backupninja (universe) "Don't run when off AC power" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192560
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192562 in ubuntu "wine 0.9.55 segfaults on Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192562
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192563 in totem (main) "totem-gstreamer-video-thumbnailer crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192563
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192564 in kdebase (main) "cant change screen resolution in kcontrol" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192564
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192565 in ubuntu "double click in user settings breaks mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192565
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192566 in dhcp3 (main) "dhclient updates resolv.conf behind network-manager's back" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192566
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192567 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic crashes with bus error (core dumped)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192567
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192568 in ubuntu "iphone / ipod touch support without jailbroken." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192568
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192570 in brasero (main) "brasero main window text error (lang=hu)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192570
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192571 in hotkey-setup (main) "No support for fujitsu-siemens Amilo Pa2548" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192571
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192573 in openal (main) "OpenAL plays all sounds fragmentary. Ubunut 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192573
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192574 in nautilus (main) "simple crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192574
[09:28] <ubotu> New bug: #192578 in synaptic (main) "'E:The package lexmark-z700-cups-driver needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192578
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192576 in ubuntu "macbook touchpad two finger not working in Gutsy+PPA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192576
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192579 in gnome-system-tools (main) "shares-admin sometimes doesnt synch with smb.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192579
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192581 in avahi (main) "[gutsy] avahi goes berserk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192581
[09:52] <motoplux> hi all
[09:53] <motoplux> when someone report more then one bug in a report what I should do?
[09:53] <motoplux> and furthermore two of the reported bugs are duplicated ones
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192584 in ov51x-jpeg (universe) "Upgrade to version 1.5.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192584
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192585 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Unable to mount root fs: Device or resource busy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192585
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192589 in evolution (main) "Evolution 2.12.1 crashes when creating new folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192589
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192591 in telepathy-stream-engine (universe) "Please sync telepathy-stream-engine 0.4.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192591
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192590 in graphviz (main) "dotty hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192590
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192592 in binutils-avr (universe) "Please sync binutils-avr 2.18-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192592
[10:36] <Iulian> Hey
[10:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192593 in likewise-open (universe) "unable to change user password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192593
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192595 in totem (main) "totem playing mov file, sound too fast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192595
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192597 in likewise-open (universe) "ntpdate suggestion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192597
[10:52] <ubotu> New bug: #192594 in likewise-open (universe) "unplug - plug again network cable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192594
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192598 in likewise-open (universe) "username format during login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192598
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192599 in likewise-open (universe) "GDM support for domain choice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192599
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #192602 in gnome-panel (main) "Flash bug " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192602
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192603 in linux (main) "ALSA kernel Oops (snd_pcm) with 2.6.24-7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192603
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192604 in firefox-3.0 (main) "non-standard right-click menu behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192604
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192605 in virt-manager (universe) "virt-manager does not detect bridge br0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192605
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192606 in firefox-3.0 (main) "use standard colours in URL bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192606
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192608 in tiemu (multiverse) "Merge tiemu 2.00-4 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192608
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192607 in beryl-core (universe) "aa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192607
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192612 in ubuntu "Cannot edit emoticon themes in Kopete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192612
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192611 in debian-installer (main) "Cannot manually partition a new hard disk in installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192611
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192614 in ristretto (universe) "New upstream release (0.0.17)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192614
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192620 in wine (universe) "wine Segmentation fault " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192620
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192622 in kdesudo (main) "[Feature Freeze Exception]New upstream release (kde4 port)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192622
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192623 in hal (main) ""Hardware Information" (hal-device-manager) crashes when started" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192623
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192624 in rhythmbox (main) ""Segmentation fault" in rhythmbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192624
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183039 in tiemu (multiverse) "tiemu window shrinks until smallest window size is achieved" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183039
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192626 in qemu (universe) "guest fs corruption during heavy I/O in guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192626
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192628 in bug-buddy (main) "libgnomebreakpad.so missing in bug-buddy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192628
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #192629 in gvfs (main) "[hardy] Cannot send files to thrascan from a vfat partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192629
[13:37] <ubotu> New bug: #192631 in human-gtk-theme (main) "Human theme and notebook controls in Firefox 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192631
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192633 in ubuntu "Ubuntu boots but won't load terminal command line" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192633
[13:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192635 in cuyo (universe) "Please merge cuyo (2.~-1.1-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192635
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192637 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (main) "[hardy] nautilus doesn't have obex support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192637
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192638 in gnome-vfs-obexftp (main) "[hardy] compiz can't start after 2008-02-15 updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192638
[14:07] <davmor2> Hi guys can you help please.  I'm confused as to why this is listed as wish list when it is a regression?  bug 192510
[14:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192510 in f-spot "F-spot still depends on gnome-vfs to burn cds and fails" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192510
[14:08] <james_w> davmor2: I'm not sure. Perhaps you should make that comment in the bug report.
[14:09] <davmor2> okay cool just thought I'd ask :)
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192640 in ubuntu "update-manager error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192640
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192641 in gdebi (main) "Gdebi-gtk cannot use proxy with authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192641
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192642 in ubuntu "cannot configure my printers + keybord not properly configured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192642
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192643 in dnsmasq (universe) "dnsmasq with enable-dbus doesn't work properly with NetworkManager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192643
[14:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192645 in network-manager-vpnc (universe) "Add, not replace current DNS, when doing network routing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192645
[14:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192647 in language-pack-cs (main) "nové návrhy na překlad šablony Games v ubuntu-docs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192647
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #192648 in opera (partner) "opera refuses keyboard input in gutsy (SCIM related?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192648
[14:50] <ubotu> New bug: #192649 in wmnet (universe) "Merge wmnet 1.05-15 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192649
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192650 in cupsys (main) "Cupsys fails to update when using Ubuntu on a USB Stick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192650
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192651 in sudo (main) "hardy sudo path is always reset" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192651
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #192653 in firefox-3.0 (main) "firefox 3 session restore and undo closed tab missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192653
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192654 in gnome-panel (main) "had two Firefox windows open. Right clicked on one and choose "move to workspace right"  I cannot even get to the desktop to the right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192654
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192655 in openoffice.org (main) "Open office splash binary lockup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192655
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192656 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "I can't uninstall a packet with synaptic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192656
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192658 in language-support-writing-en (universe) "Should recommend packages, not depend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192658
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192659 in tomboy (main) "Tomboy always starts in the system tray on reboot without being asked to" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192659
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #192664 in ming (universe) "sync with new upstream release ming Ming 0.4.0.beta5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192664
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192665 in evolution (main) "[hardy] Evolution crashes on startup with Segmentation fault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192665
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192666 in gnome-screensaver (main) "impossible to unlock screen after locked by idle timeout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192666
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192669 in alsa-utils (main) "Amixer mutes, but cannot unmute sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192669
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #192670 in ubuntu-wallpapers (main) "New wallpaper has transparent border" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192670
[16:13] <ubotu> New bug: #129789 in openssh "sshd seems to be run multiple times at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129789
[16:13] <ubotu> New bug: #162201 in linux "shutdown power off ethernet disabling WOL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162201
[16:13] <ubotu> New bug: #192668 in bluez-utils (main) "imprecision in hciconfig manpage" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192668
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192671 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192671
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192674 in ubuntu "Failed to initialize the GLX module in kernel 2.6.24-8-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192674
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #192676 in ubuntu "ALC 883 redirect audio wrongly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192676
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192677 in linux (main) "hardy kernel config does not allow powernowd scaling (powerpc)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192677
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #192683 in gnome-terminal (main) "error installing package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192683
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192682 in gnome-terminal (main) "Please bring the option to set non-blinking cursor back." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192682
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192681 in policykit-gnome (main) ""Authenticate" button sensitive even when no user is selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192681
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192684 in gnome-settings-daemon (main) "metacity color doesn't change (after you change the gtk2 engine) until you logout and log  back in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192684
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192685 in ubiquity (main) "Installer should have a "reboot when done" checkbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192685
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192686 in firefox-3.0 (main) "release 8, latest. Open office part not load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192686
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192687 in bld (universe) "Please sync bld 0.3.2-3.1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192687
[17:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192688 in emesene (universe) "Version numbering" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192688
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192689 in update-manager (main) "Error during update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192689
[17:30] <Iulian> james_w: Is freecontrib.org an official repo?
[17:31] <james_w> Iulian: I don't think so.
[17:32] <james_w> hmm, maybe I was too quick off the mark and it's a mirror.
[17:33] <Iulian> james_w: I don't know but I'm still looking to find the answer. I've set the status to Invalid for that bug.
[17:34] <james_w> it doesn't have the normal main/restricted/... split at least.
[17:35] <Iulian> Indeed
[17:35] <james_w> and it's still not really a bug in update-manager, even if it was archive.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <james_w> freecontrib.org redirects to http://blog.freecontrib.org/ which still works.
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #192691 in totem (main) "usubility bug: searches 2 times for a codec" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192691
[17:36] <james_w> http://blog.freecontrib.org/index.php/2006/07/23/26-nouveau-mainteneur-de-ubuntu-plf
[17:36]  * Iulian is looking
[17:37] <james_w> mr_pouit: ping
[17:39] <Iulian> It seems that mr_pouit is having access.
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192692 in language-pack-cs (main) "nové návrhy na překlad šablony Windows v ubuntu-docs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192692
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192693 in gnome-orca (main) "Orca settings different from last cession- and hiding acces to taskbar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192693
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #192700 in rhythmbox (main) "podcast download fails to retreive entire file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192700
[18:52] <ubotu> New bug: #192704 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Server 7.10 - rezise ntfs 0% no visualisation loading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192704
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192706 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Bitmeter" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192706
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192710 in epiphany (universe) "pop-up dialogs do not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192710
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192712 in gnome-panel (main) "It wont let me use the amsn it just stays blank what shall i do?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192712
[19:26] <pochu> That doesn't look like a bug report...
[19:28] <Iulian> Which one?
[19:28] <Iulian> Ohh, the last one?
[19:29] <pochu> yeah
[19:29] <pochu> (just reading the title...)
[19:30] <Iulian> Yes, you're right. I will convert it to a question.
[19:31] <pochu> cool
[19:32]  * pochu hugs Iulian
[19:32] <Iulian> :-)
[19:32] <Iulian> Well, I have to go now, I have some classes in the morning.
[19:33] <Iulian> Good night.
[19:33] <pochu> 'night Iulian
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192714 in firefox (main) "Firefox 3.0b3 looks terrible (dup-of: 191791)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192714
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192716 in gnome-panel (main) "Werkbladwisselaar" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192716
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #192717 in foomatic-filters (main) "Doesn't force the media option as -sPAPERSIZE for gs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192717
[19:55] <ubotu> New bug: #192722 in pidgin (main) "avatar crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192722
[20:05] <bddebian> Boo
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #192729 in kdegraphics (main) "kpdf one page printing with duplex on prints second copy on backside of page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192729
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #192732 in ubuntu "whatever driver is included for the Nexxtech N4PUDH USB hub, it doesn't seem to be working with it" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192732
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #192734 in ubuntu "lsof got can't stat() tmpfs file system errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192734
[20:45] <ubotu> New bug: #192735 in pulseaudio (main) "mpd no access to soundcard using pulseaudio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192735
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #192736 in gdm (main) "xserver logs overwritten preventing debugging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192736
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #192737 in ubuntu "Wine doesn't run anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192737
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #192743 in bzr-svn (universe) "bzr-svn is irritating when in a (non-svn) subdirectory of an svn working tree" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192743
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192745 in net-snmp (main) "Net-SNMP tries to read the obsolete /etc/sensors.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192745
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192746 in ubuntu "HP Pavilion Entertainment PC / No Sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192746
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192747 in epiphany-browser (main) "image scaling broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192747
[21:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192748 in nautilus (main) "nautilus recusant opening directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192748
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192754 in compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (main) "package compiz-fusion-plugins-extra 0.6.99+git20071127-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/compiz/3d.xml', which is also in package compiz-fusion-plugins-unofficial" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192754
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #192755 in ubuntu "Fan does not work on ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192755
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192757 in sawfish (universe) "00menu.jl causes error at startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192757
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192758 in totem (main) "[Hardy] Totem 2.21.93 doesn't play  the rmvb video - codec missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192758
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #192759 in ubuntu "kde resume from suspend & resume.d scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192759
[22:04] <Makdaam> hello, what's the package name of the Xfcemenu->System->Networking app?
[22:06] <Makdaam> it has a location combo on top + some tabs like "Connections", "General", "DNS", and "Hosts" in the general area, might be the same app as in gnome
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #192761 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Java JVM 6 Swing Crashes " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192761
[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192762 in ubuntu "Marvel 88E8053 card worked with sky2 stoped working after update of kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192762
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #192763 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic can't sort package names backwards" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192763
[22:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192764 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashes with anything to do with /home/user/Desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192764
[22:25] <ubotu> New bug: #192765 in linux (main) "ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available (wifi)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192765
[22:52] <persia> Makdaam: You can find the relevant .desktop file with grep <menu item name> /usr/share/applications/* and then find the package for that .desktop file with dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/<desktop file>
[22:52] <Makdaam> thanks
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192773 in ubuntu "Sony Vaio Backlight" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192773
[23:15] <ubotu> New bug: #192774 in avidemux (multiverse) "Avidemux 2.4.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192774
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[00:05] <JanC> and also the test URLs
[00:06] <JanC> I suppose it protects against accidental edits/overwrites...
[00:06] <mdeslaur> yeah
[00:06] <JanC> but makes no sense to run those tests when certs are external
[00:07] <mdeslaur> and if they are expired perhaps, though that should be handled in a better way
[00:07] <JanC> the URL tests would fail when they expire without being replaced indeed
[00:10] <mdeslaur> looks like debian/ubuntu packaging just deletes the upstream cacerts file and symlinks the path to the system one, so there's nothing in openjdk itself to configure it to use the system ca certs
[00:10] <mdeslaur> which is why nothing disables the tests
[00:13] <JanC> an upstream knob to disable everything related to the CAs collection would be nice, I guess
[00:42] <teward> mdeslaur: it SOUNDS like the test there is doing a test of "What we expect to be present on system" vs. "What is present on system" based on the SRU details
[00:42] <teward> just sayin
[00:42] <teward> it makes sense for *upstream*'s tests to do this, but not necessarily on a distro build (in which case patch the packaging to not run that test)
[12:24] <mdeslaur> teward: exactly
[16:01] <teward> then i'll make a followup comment based on this discussion
[16:02] <teward> thanks for the rubberducking session :)
[18:13] <tsimonq2> Oh, hi. Seems I forgot to re-join this channel after my IRC client disconnected.
[18:13] <tsimonq2> sarnold: So... about that Vim update... :D
[18:19] <teward> mdeslaur: and everyone else, apologies for using y'all as a temporary rubber-ducking session there on jtreg, but it was important enough to bounce off of y'all for any concerns :p