[02:11] <rk0n> Hmmmmmmmmm!
[02:11] <ubuntu> i
[02:15] <ken70> join #linux
[02:52] <goodtime> anyone ever get a touch screen to work on a notebook with kubuntu?
[05:34] <kubuntuser> hello
[05:34] <kubuntuser> hi Jenm
[05:35] <dniMretsaM> hi kubuntuser
[06:52] <cjae> what does one use to get the laptop camera working in kubuntu 12.10, never have used a desktop cam very often so I am unfamiliar with software
[07:20] <hateball> cjae: do you know for sure it does *not* work?
[07:20] <hateball> cjae: you can test it in VLC for instance
[07:21] <cjae> hateball: no I was just wondering what softwares are for it. I see kamoso, but seems development is stale at 2010
[07:21] <cjae> cheese it gtk
[07:21] <cjae> is*
[07:22]  * cjae hasnt installed yet, waiting on a disk image
[07:22] <hateball> Well I don't know what you're looking to do :D
[07:22] <hateball> kde-telepathy has support for it in the protocols supporting cams (iirc)
[07:22] <hateball> And you can use it in VLC as I mentioned
[07:22] <cjae> setting up someone with kubuntu instead of windows
[07:23] <cjae> I dont use webcams so I have no idea
[07:23] <cjae> for example have never even seen skype
[07:23] <cjae> except the logo lol
[07:24] <cjae> ok
[07:24] <hateball> well, launch vlc, open "capture" and pick video for linux
[07:24] <hateball> should stream the webcam
[07:24] <cjae> ok
[07:24] <hateball> that way you know it works
[07:24] <cjae> sure
[07:25] <hateball> then it's up to the individual apps to make use of it
[07:26] <cjae> seems that kde is such a full fledged DE you would think such a thing would have more attention
[07:26] <hateball> I don't see what you mean?
[07:26] <hateball> Why would you have an app whose sole purpose is to show what is on the webcam
[07:27] <cjae> well what does cheese do
[07:27] <hateball> lets you watch yourself, and I think you can add filters and what not
[07:27] <hateball> if you want to record yourself
[07:27] <cjae> I see
[07:28] <hateball> And you could still run it in KDE even if it's GTK :p
[07:28] <cjae> I meant like cheese for qt, with some active development
[07:28] <cjae> right
[07:28] <mah454> I can not run KDE Desktop in VNC server !
[07:28] <mah454> this is my xstartup : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1512043/
[07:28] <mah454> How can fix this problem ?
[07:29] <cjae> but I mean when I start a laptop with unity, I can set a picture for my user off webcam
[07:30] <hateball> cjae: well that's a nice cosmetic touch I guess, no one is stopping you from adding it to KDE/Kubuntu ;)
[07:30] <hateball> in the meantime, if all you want is a photo of yourself you can take that using VLC, so
[07:30] <cjae> ya
[07:31] <cjae> oh it can take stills
[07:31] <cjae> I thought it just print screen
[07:31] <cjae> and had to crop
[08:19]  * Wizard yawns
[09:42] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[11:11] <FlashDeluxe> hi!  I got a question, thunderbird always crashes if i want to add an account. Does anybody know this problem and has a solution for me? at the moment i have to copie the .thunderbird folder between linux/windows to add accounts, that works but it s*cks
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:07] <kubuntuser> hello
[12:07] <kubuntuser> after suspend mode audio doesn't work anymore.
[12:08] <kubuntuser> on 13.04 daily
[12:15] <kubuntuser> anyone here ?
[12:17] <Tm_T> kubuntuser: 13.04 isn't supported (here), but you may try ask in #ubuntu+1 which is the place to discuss about 13.04 before it's released
[12:23] <kubuntuser> ok thanks Tm_T
[12:34] <Peace-> HI :D
[12:43] <Wizard> Peace-Flu: Hi.
[12:43] <Peace-Flu> Wizard: hi
[12:48] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:48] <kubuntuser> hello all
[12:49] <Peace-Flu> hey
[12:52] <Wizard> Hi kubuntuser.
[12:52] <kubuntuser> hi Wizard
[13:35] <zoie> hello, how can i switch desktops with my keyboard?
[13:38] <lordievader> zoie: I believe that there is no default keyboard shortcut for, however you can create one.
[13:39] <zoie> lordievader: i think i did something with "tab" and some of my windows disappeared
[13:40] <lordievader> zoie: Systemsettings -> Shortcuts -> Global Keyboard shortcuts -> Kwin -> look for "Switch Desktop"
[13:40] <zoie> lordievader: it's ctrl+F1 and such but that's not what i did
[13:41] <lordievader> zoie: Ah, that is probably the Activities (super+tab)
[13:41] <zoie> lordievader: yes thanks :)
[13:41] <lordievader> zoie: No problem ;)
[15:25] <ArchangelSe7en> brb
[15:43] <Wizard> Seems Kubuntu run pretty well - nobody with troubles today :)
[15:52] <Peace-Flu> Wizard: :)
[16:51] <Third3ye> ...
[16:51] <Third3ye> What are the keyboard shortucs for changing desktops?
[16:51] <Third3ye> shortcuts
[16:52] <sbivol> Third3ye: Ctrl+F1,F2...
[16:52] <Third3ye> lol -- that simple, ey? Thanks :)
[16:54] <Third3ye> So can anyone confirm of the rumors are founded?
[16:54] <Third3ye> That KDE is losing developers and is in danger of becoming unmaintainable?
[16:56] <OerHeks>  rumours .. check your sources
[16:56] <tsimpson> I'm going to take a wild guess and say "HA! no"
[17:08] <Third3ye> First time I'm relieved to see journalistic integrity ia still just a warm memory :P
[17:10] <OerHeks> Third3ye, let me guess, that article you refer too, is written on friday afternoon ?
[17:15] <Third3ye> DerHeks: I actually read it like 3 weeks ago, and from where I'm not sure
[17:18] <dougl> friday afternoon after cocktail hour you mean?
[17:18] <Third3ye> But like my dad always says: there are no stupid questions, only answers with stupid premise :P
[17:24] <OerHeks> dougl, more like a deadline-article
[17:25] <dougl> ah - thanks... more media ppl trying to get attention.
[17:25] <OerHeks> Third3ye, maybe the source of this all is that Kubuntu is no longer supported financially by ubuntu, but KDE is strong
[17:27] <Riddell> Third3ye: huh?  we have plenty of developers
[17:27] <Riddell> OerHeks: Kubuntu remains part of Ubuntu just as it always has been
[17:30] <OerHeks> Riddell, correct, but Blue Systems is sponsoring now?
[17:30] <Third3ye> DerHeks: HA! "oooo... a big company is no longer supporting an open source project... IT WILL SURELY DIE!"
[17:30] <Third3ye> xD
[17:31] <Riddell> OerHeks: Blue Systems is one sponsor yes
[17:33] <Third3ye> Anyways
[17:33] <Third3ye> I have bought a new keyboard, a Microsoft keyboard... Sidewinder X4 to be specific
[17:34] <Third3ye> Some of it's extra keys are not recognised by the KDE keyboard shortcut settings
[17:34] <Third3ye> Any hints as to how I can fix this?
[17:34] <Third3ye> And how do I assign an action to JUST the <meta> key... without having to add another key in to the shortcut
[17:35] <dniMretsaM> Third3ye: you might want to look at ksuperkey
[18:12] <nandhu> d
[18:16] <Third3ye> So anybody else had problems getting HDMI audio to work with Nvidia MCP77/78 HDMI?
[23:28] <keithzg-mobile> So are there Kubuntu images for the Nexus 7 yet?
[23:53] <RaphaelBarros> DOes anybody there knows how to make a panel stay on its place after reboot? I have replace my top panel for a new one (since it was unable to hide or be covered by windows), and now this panel moves to another place every time I boot kubuntu
[23:53] <RaphaelBarros> Even while I'm using kubuntu, it changes place
[23:54] <RaphaelBarros> To the middle of the screen, for example
[23:56] <sonyvaioduo11> has anyone managed to use kubuntu on the sony vaio duo 11?


[14:01] <justCarakas> no video ?
[14:01] <boxtropica> Just give it a few minutes, I'm sure...
[14:01] <justCarakas> k
[14:01] <Elleo> justCarakas: hasn't started quite yet
[14:04] <Elleo> 22
[14:04] <boxtropica> ?ir
[14:04] <boxtropica> *?
[14:04] <Elleo> typo :P
[14:07] <kenvandine> waiting for someone to put it live
[14:08] <boxtropica> Starting soon...
[14:11] <justCarakas> its live
[14:12] <boxtropica> Huzzah!
[14:20] <justCarakas> I like pathwind btw :)
[14:27] <justCarakas> QUESTION: so Bacon 2D does all the path for you for the phisics ?
[14:30] <rickspencer3> that is really cool
[14:30] <justCarakas> woops should be math :p
[14:31] <rickspencer3> QUESTION: Any thoughts about AI? Like making it easy to program enemies?
[14:31] <justCarakas> awesome
[14:33] <rickspencer3> QUESTION: I've found it hard to write things like telling an enemy how to walk around obstacles and stuff
[14:33] <rickspencer3> is that part of the of the library you were just talking about?
[14:34] <justCarakas> that editor is awesome :D
[14:35] <rickspencer3> that is sooo cool
[14:37] <justCarakas> QUESTION: can you add new components in the editor and set their behaviour and stuff ?
[14:37] <swordfish> This is all extremely cool!
[14:38] <justCarakas> QUESTION: can you reload a game to edit it afterwards ?
[14:38] <boxtropica> QUESTION: Forgive me- I'm rather imbecilic- but when I 'make' Bacon2D I always get a "fatal error: box2dbody.h: No such file or directory; #include 'box2dbody.h'"...
[14:39] <kenvandine> boxtropica, it uses some submodules
[14:39] <boxtropica> Ah, yes. Sorry about that.
[14:40] <Arpegius> QUESTION: What about performance of scene? I make a quick look inside the code, are all entities drawn as QQuickPaintedItem? Isn't creating a buffer for each entity?
[14:40] <swordfish> QUESTION: What about support for other platforms such as Android and iOS? It would be really awesome to use this engine everywhere...
[14:40] <rickspencer3> nice
[14:41] <rickspencer3> thanks kenvandine
[14:41] <rodrigo_golive2> git submodule update --init
[14:44] <rodrigo_golive2> yuo, it will be better soon ;)
[14:44] <rodrigo_golive2> s/yuo/yup
[14:44] <swordfish> This is really great! Thank you...
[14:46] <Arpegius> QUESTION: What you thing about using bare OpenGL polygons?  QQuickItems ave it but is hard to use. Maybe some QML layer for that?
[14:46] <ali1234> QUESTION: what if I want to make 3D games?
[14:46] <rickspencer3> QUESTION: Can I quite my job and write games for Ubuntu Touch full time?
[14:47] <justCarakas> demo would be nice
[14:47] <mrbrownstone3g> QUESTION:  Will it ever be possible  to create an NDR type framework for games
[14:47] <justCarakas> QUESTION is the code for the examples available somewhere ?
[14:49] <mrbrownstone3g> i have a link to micheals hall post if anyone wants to read about what NDR is
[14:50] <popey> Elleo: could you provide a few lines summary of what happened in your game dev session for the wrap up for me?
[14:51] <Arpegius> QUESTION: How about GLSL shaders?
[14:52] <rickspencer3> rats
[14:52] <mrbrownstone3g> http://mhall119.com/2014/04/make-android-apps-human-with-ndr/
[14:52] <rodrigo_golive2> Arpegius: what do you mean about opengl polygons? primitives?
[14:52] <Arpegius> yes
[14:54] <rickspencer3> o/
[14:54] <rodrigo_golive2> Arpegius: right now you can use QML to create simple polygons, but it can be suggested to be implemented some basic primitives on it too
[14:54] <boxtropica> Thank you!
[14:54] <kenvandine> i defer all the drawing related stuff to rodrigo_golive2 :)
[14:55] <swordfish> Arpegius, GLSL shaders are easy to use in QT5, so they should work fine with this engine...
[14:55] <rodrigo_golive2> kenvandine: ha!
[14:55] <Arpegius> Yea, I know. But you have to make a  framebuffer when you use a Canvas.
[14:55] <Arpegius> QtQuick have a very nice caching of raw primitives buffers. It's extreamly fast.
[14:56] <Arpegius> But constructing it with nodes gives a pain.
[14:57] <Arpegius> I make a test https://github.com/ArpegiusWhooves/Qt5.2TestsDrawingLine
[14:58] <swordfish> Arpegius, That's interesting I've never explored that deeply...
[14:58] <kenvandine> one thing i forgot to mention... i'm not ready to promise API stability in Bacon2D :)
[14:58] <Arpegius> About 50+ Canvas gives problems on my Nexus7
[14:58] <kenvandine> but hopefully we'll be able to commit to an API soon
[14:58] <kenvandine> i tried to make any API breaks needed before today's session :)
[14:58] <Elleo> and I'm not ready to promise any sort of stability in the editor :P
[14:58] <kenvandine> haha
[14:59] <kenvandine> POC man!
[14:59] <Elleo> heh
[14:59] <rodrigo_golive2> eahiuheia
[15:01] <Arpegius> But with QtQuickItems that use custom GSNodes, you can get 1000+ Lines.
[15:05] <kenvandine> popey, can you give me edit perms on the summary doc?
[15:11] <Arpegius> Well nice presentation of a nice framework, bye everyone.


[09:22] <popey> Morning
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> hi
[09:52] <AlanBell> morning
[09:52] <AlanBell> czajkowski: did you know you can get white pudding in Morrisons Aldershot?
[09:52] <popey> ooh!
[09:53] <popey> i feel a trip to Morrisons Aldershot is on the cards
[09:53] <redtape-renegade> ☺ Authome ! Another Saturday VOID to fill ... Morrisons hey ??!?
[09:53] <AlanBell> white pudding is nom
[09:54] <AlanBell> I have my smtpd working great now
[09:55] <redtape-renegade> AlanBell: Could I send you another sterling note .. So that when the next distro DVD become available .. you could perchance post it to the ofice , on North Quay ?
[09:55] <AlanBell> turned out to be much easier to use python smtpd library and listen for the emails directly than mess about with exim
[09:55]  * popey starts filling the saturday void with chocolate croissants
[09:56] <AlanBell> redtape-renegade: sure, I just want the return postage really, as long as I am not out of pocket that is fine
[09:56] <AlanBell> just mark it clearly that you are wanting 13.04 and I won't post it straight back with 12.10 in it :)
[09:57] <redtape-renegade> .. it's just that I've got the sterling note/s now ( which is not common) ... Oh Ok .. I'll post some Moulin Rouge now then .. Good luck with 13.04 !!
[10:01]  * redtape-renegade posts the sterling notes & marks down the 13.04 DVD as a fixed asset.. I'll reconcile that, later !
[10:03] <jacobw> people still buys CDs :|
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: Yes! I do! Lots of them! :)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ones with music on mostly though :)
[10:18] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: that's OK
[10:19] <popey> ACTIVITY: APPROVED!
[10:20] <jacobw> :)
[10:20] <jacobw> i haven't burnt an ISO for so long
[10:20] <popey> I burned one last weekend for a machine which can't boot off usb
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: what kind of stone-age machine is that? :)
[10:25] <jacobw> an archimedes
[10:26]  * jacobw feels nostalgia for acorns
[10:28] <popey> HP xe4100
[10:34]  * dwatkins didn't know Archimedes came with CD drives
[10:34] <dwatkins> I had a BBC Micro, still got one in fact.
[10:41] <dwatkins> I'm waiting for this to be back in stock so I can add a USB storage device to it: http://www.retroclinic.com/acorn/datacentre/datacentre.htm
[10:57] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[11:03] <jacobw> morning
[11:04] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:18] <mfraz74> how long should it take to dd a 1TB hard drive?
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> depends on its transfer rate :)
[11:19] <mfraz74> both drives are on internal SATA interface, been going for about 2 hours so far
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: check the pid of the "dd" process ("pidof dd" should do the trick)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> mfraz74: then send it SIGUSR1:
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> kill -USR1 pid_you_found_here
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> there's a bit about it in the manpage
[11:21] <popey> I'd expect it to take quite a while
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> I guess it would.. but the SIGUSR1 thing will give you a progress report
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> + an average speed
[11:22] <mfraz74> 721GB copied 99.7 MB/s
[11:22] <mfraz74> Thanks MartijnVdS
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> almost there :)
[11:22] <mfraz74> Yep
[11:23] <mfraz74> Just hope the drive works afterwards.
[11:24] <mfraz74> Been getting drive errors on booting for the past couple of days and have had to run fsck each day to get it working. Hoping that cloing the drive to a fresh one will work
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> I'd fsck the new drive before booting off it
[11:25] <mfraz74> will do
[11:32] <jacobw> dumb question, how does purchasing from the software centre work?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> using money?
[11:33] <jacobw> yes, i'd gotten that far
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> :)
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> probably using Ubuntu One.. maybe similar to the music store?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> or probaby more like buying extra GBs on U1
[11:34] <jacobw> Does it give me a token that I use in my HTTP request to get the DEB of what I'm buying?
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> popey will know
[11:35] <popey> private PPAs
[11:35] <popey> is how it works
[11:35] <jacobw> that's interesting
[11:35] <popey> when you buy something you get granted access to a private ppa
[11:35] <jacobw> how?
[11:35] <gary> hi
[11:35] <gary> everyone
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> launchpad credentials?
[11:35] <popey> how what?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> popey: How do you authenticate yourself to the PPA('s web server bits)
[11:36] <Guest41101> hello
[11:36] <jacobw> Yes, what MartijnVdS said
[11:36] <popey> creds are stored in apt config
[11:36] <Guest41101> i am new to this live chat
[11:36] <jacobw> Hi Guest41101
[11:36] <Guest41101> please i need soem help
[11:36] <Guest41101> some*
[11:36] <popey> look in /etc/apt/auth.conf
[11:36] <popey> you'll see creds for everything you have bought
[11:37] <jacobw> are the private PPAs shared between buyers?
[11:37] <popey> yes
[11:37] <Guest41101> i am trying to install the mars jar simulator on ubuntu but it would not run. i click on the folder it just opens with many files inside
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> it's probably a single PPA with some kind of authentication backend
[11:37] <popey> well, multiple people have access to the same ppa, yes
[11:38]  * AlanBell wonders what to use for managing user subscriptions, don't fancy writing that part
[11:38] <Guest41101> can someone help me
[11:38] <Guest41101> pls
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: user subscriptions to what?
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> Guest41101: what's a mars jar simulator?
[11:38] <AlanBell> exceptionalemails.com
[11:38] <jacobw> it sounds like a JAR file
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: mailman? :)
[11:38] <Guest41101> mars V4.2
[11:39] <Guest41101> is for assembly language
[11:39] <AlanBell> Guest41101: where did it come from?
[11:39] <jacobw> Or even plus addressing and smart filtering
[11:40] <Guest41101> i downloaded from moussori state university website
[11:40] <AlanBell> http://courses.missouristate.edu/kenvollmar/mars/download.htm then
[11:40] <jacobw> Guest41101: please run `file /path/to/file` and paste the output at paste.ubuntu.com then paste the URL here for us
[11:40] <AlanBell> so yeah, that is a java jar file
[11:40] <jacobw> !paste
[11:41] <AlanBell> Guest41101: I would assume from a terminal java -jar Mars.jar
[11:41] <popey> (assuming you have java installed)
[11:41] <Guest41101> i don't have a java installed
[11:42] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:42] <Guest41101> i thought java run time is already in the linux distribution
[11:42] <popey> not by default, no
[11:42] <Guest41101> oh ok
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> it's available for install through the software centre though
[11:42] <Guest41101> how do i install the sdk or j2se 1.5
[11:43] <AlanBell> or sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
[11:43] <Guest41101> i am new to using linux
[11:43] <Guest41101> ok
[11:43] <popey> i think you mean openjdk-7-jre ?
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> 1.5 is not supported anymore
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> Only Java 6 and 7
[11:43] <Guest41101> let me try to install the java
[11:43] <jacobw> Can it be installed with the Software Centre?
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: yes
[11:44] <popey> apt://openjdk-7-jre
[11:44] <popey> if that's a link it should work
[11:44] <Guest41101> should i use this command in the terminal
[11:44] <Guest41101> sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk
[11:45] <AlanBell> yeah, that will work
[11:45] <popey> ttps://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jre/
[11:45] <jacobw> Yes
[11:45] <Guest41101> Alnbell?
[11:45] <popey> or click the link there
[11:45]  * MartijnVdS hands popey an extra h
[11:45] <jacobw> s/^/h/
[11:45] <AlanBell> then java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:45] <popey> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/openjdk-7-jdk/ or there even
[11:45]  * AlanBell has a look round mars
[11:46]  * popey gives up and makes lunch ☺
[11:46]  * AlanBell wants lunch
[11:46] <Guest41101> @Alanbell, i am done with the installation
[11:46] <Guest41101> so how do i install the Mars jar now
[11:46] <Guest41101> ?
[11:46] <AlanBell> you don't need to install it, just run it
[11:47] <AlanBell> cd Downloads
[11:47] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:47] <AlanBell> and it runs
[11:47] <Guest41101> ok
[11:47] <jacobw> If you install openjdk-7-jre do you a file associate in Nautilus for JAR files?
[11:47] <jacobw> I don't know
[11:48] <AlanBell> I don't think you do jacobw
[11:48] <AlanBell> it still opens as a zip file
[11:49] <AlanBell> it would be nice if jar files automatically ran themselves with java -jar $filename
[11:49] <AlanBell> but there is probably some purist reason why that is a bad idea, I don't know enough about java really
[11:49] <jacobw> It's a much more common use case than decompressing the JAR
[11:50] <AlanBell> it is for someone who has a minecraft.jar file
[11:51] <AlanBell> but I think there are lots of jar files that are components or libraries of big applications that you wouldn't want to run, but I don't know if that is harmful
[11:51] <AlanBell> certainly the common use-case for someone who doesn't know what they are doing (me) would be to run the thing
[11:52]  * AlanBell thinks exceptionalemails.com might end up with a joomla! front end
[11:52] <jacobw> I like the idea
[11:53] <Guest41101> @Alan i tried the command on terminal it came out with the message try sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[11:53] <Guest41101> still not working
[11:53] <AlanBell> which command?
[11:53] <Guest41101> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[11:54] <AlanBell> and what happens if you type "java -version"
[11:54] <Guest41101> how you mean
[11:54] <Guest41101> ?
[11:54] <popey> install openjdk-7-jre-headless
[11:54] <AlanBell> just type "java -version" in the terminal, it should tell you what version of java you are running
[11:54] <AlanBell> popey: it is a gui application
[11:54] <Guest41101> ok
[11:55] <popey> so is minecraft
[11:55] <popey>  dpkg -S /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[11:55] <popey> openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[11:55] <AlanBell> it should return three lines including OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.3.6) (7u13-2.3.6-1ubuntu1)
[11:55] <AlanBell> or close to that
[11:56] <AlanBell> Guest41101: you are running this on an Ubuntu desktop installation, right?
[11:56] <Guest41101> It says no command found@Alan
[11:56] <Guest41101> ubuntu on my laptop
[11:56] <Guest41101> yeah
[11:57] <AlanBell> ok, so you didn't install java yet
[11:57] <popey> did the "sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk" line finish okay?
[11:57] <Guest41101> k
[12:05] <popey> aquarius: someone here may be able to help though...
[12:06] <aquarius> popey, ah, good thought. Anyone feeling knowledgeable about apt and why I'm getting file collides when I try and install the qt5 proper PPA packages to do Ubuntu mobile development?
[12:08] <czajkowski> AlanBell: i did in fact :) then I can nip over to tesco and get my red lemonade :)
[12:08] <Guest41101> i hi Alan
[12:08] <Guest41101> i have just installed java
[12:09] <Guest41101> ran the coman  java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[12:09] <Guest41101> it says unable to access jarfile Mars4_3
[12:12] <Guest41101> hello
[12:14] <bizup> hi
[12:14] <bizup> @Alan is me guest
[12:15] <bizup> is anyone here pls
[12:16] <bizup> hello
[12:16] <bizup> hello
[12:18] <AlanBell> Bizup needs to cd to the right directory
[12:18] <self> how do u mean
[12:19] <self> Alanbel
[12:19] <self> i ran the command and it says
[12:19] <AlanBell> cd Downloads
[12:19] <AlanBell> use ls to see if you are in the directory with the jar file
[12:19] <AlanBell> the browser probably put it in the Downloads directory
[12:20] <self> pls guide me through
[12:20] <self> what do i do
[12:20] <AlanBell> where did you download the file to?
[12:20] <self> the Mars Jar?
[12:20] <AlanBell> yes
[12:20] <self> is on the download
[12:20] <self> i extracted it there
[12:20] <AlanBell> don't
[12:21] <AlanBell> you don't need to extract it, you need to run it
[12:21] <self> ok
[12:21] <self> let me delete the extracted copy
[12:23] <self> still saying unable to access the file
[12:23] <self> i justdont know what happening
[12:23] <self> with all the guidance you have given me
[12:23] <self> it should work
[12:24] <self> should i redownload it again
[12:24] <self> ?
[12:24] <AlanBell> self: have you got the jar file in a directory somewhere?
[12:25] <self> i just downloaded it and is in the download folder
[12:26] <AlanBell> right, so in a terminal if you are in the Downloads directory your terminal prompt should look like
[12:26] <AlanBell> self@selflaptop:~/Downloads$
[12:26] <AlanBell> or similar
[12:27] <AlanBell> then if you type "ls" to list the files in that directory you should see Mars4_3.jar
[12:27] <self> no my terminal is on the user directory
[12:27] <AlanBell> ok
[12:27] <self> my computer name
[12:27] <AlanBell> so "cd Downloads"
[12:27] <self> i should type the command on terminal?
[12:27] <AlanBell> yes
[12:27] <AlanBell> cd changes directory
[12:28] <self> ok
[12:28] <self> ok
[12:28] <self> i am there now
[12:29] <AlanBell> java -jar Mars4_3.jar
[12:29] <self> the letter D has to be in capital right?
[12:29] <self> i tried small letters and it did not find it
[12:29] <AlanBell> it does, things are case sensitive
[12:29] <AlanBell> !tab
[12:29] <self> ok
[12:30] <redtape-renegade> Anyone got an Android here ? http://bit.ly/XfR0CT
[12:31] <self> you are just one in  a million@Alan
[12:31] <self> you the best
[12:31] <self> it works for me now
[12:31] <self> :)
[12:31] <self> Thanks so much
[12:31] <self> are you always here Alan
[12:33] <AlanBell> \o/
[12:33] <AlanBell> anyone know how to use wps to set up a printer?
[12:34] <StevenR> AlanBell: does the printer support WPS?
[12:34] <AlanBell> StevenR: yeah, as does the router
[12:34] <AlanBell> pressed the button on each of them, nothing obvious happened
[12:35] <redtape-renegade> Here's the Wallpaper bundle :: http://bitly.com/bundles/o_4hmeb0pdlm/1
[12:35] <StevenR> is WPS *enabled* on the router?
[12:35] <StevenR> (I turn it off, for example, and some routers ship with it disabled)
[12:35] <self> @Alan is working now
[12:37] <AlanBell> StevenR: ok, found a wps thing in the router config
[12:38] <AlanBell> not sure the button on the printer that I think is a WPS button is in fact a WPS button
[12:39]  * AlanBell has to pop out
[12:39]  * popey puts AlanBell back in again
[13:56]  * AlanBell has a printer working
[13:56] <AlanBell> that was harder than it needed to be
[14:18] <kvarley> Who is responsible for the TF2 server that Canonical is sponsoring this weekend, anybody know? The server is out of date!
[14:47] <BigRedS> I _really_ wish there was a small download I could do to find out if TF2 will work on my laptop
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[14:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: and CPU?
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> apparently it's flaky on Intel CPUs (it only works Sandy/Ivy bridge or newer, and even then I've heard it's crashy)
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> but AMD/NVidia should work as long as they support GLSL 1.3
[14:51] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: pre-sandy Intel
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> you'll get a black screen
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> if you force GLSL 1.3 mode, you'll get a tiny window in the top right with everything inverted and mirrored
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> and then it crashes
[14:52] <BigRedS> Ah. That *was* a small download to find out
[14:52] <BigRedS> :)
[14:52] <BigRedS> about 200 chars
[14:52]  * MartijnVdS tried that 8-)
[15:04] <BigRedS> whoah, CS works really well, though
[15:04] <BigRedS> I think this is still an anally-free Debian
[15:04] <BigRedS> Oh. No it isn't. But, still, games on debian? Whodathunkit
[15:40] <SuperEngineer> art'noon all
[15:40] <brobostigon> afternoonings SuperEngineer
[15:40] <directhex> dxssssssssssssssssssss\zz\zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzaop'#################kmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> hi brobostigon
[15:41] <jacobw> directhex: as you say
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> had great "fun" last night installing steam - then "updating" nvidia driver...
[15:43] <SuperEngineer> "a newer driver" blah blah... so went for earliest of experimentals [304]
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> then steam told me a newer was [310] was available
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> ...reallly *should* have ignoored that message ;)
[15:44] <SuperEngineer> *ignored
[15:45] <SuperEngineer> ...anybody here using steam - nvidia - 12.04.2 ?
[15:46] <directhex> i wish
[15:47] <SuperEngineer> I'm not knocking steam - it was a driver fail - with a lot of tiredness at 1am, and a lot of perseverence via obtuse methods - got driver back down to 304 - phew
[15:51]  * SuperEngineer is now proud owner of Half Life and of World of Goo - for extortionate price of £3.23 - good on ya steam, thanks for the go-live special sale
[15:51] <dwatkins> I'm surprised this stuff isn't easy, SuperEngineer.
[15:51] <dwatkins> downgrading a driver, that is
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: the reason I think it was a cottupt download was that I ended up booting to previous kernel, trying to back down 1 by 1..
[15:53] <dwatkins> kaputt? corrupt?
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> ...I eventually found the only one that would take was the opiginal nvidia [version current]
[15:54] <SuperEngineer> ...sys would boot but x total fail - text login then xsstart gave me the clue
[15:55] <SuperEngineer> ...mixed [failed] versions
[15:55] <dwatkins> how do you uninstall a gfx driver form the command line? with apt?
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ...but I'm tempted to give it another go - just to stop the annoying "an updated driver...] message every time I start steam!
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: if that last was meant for me... I didn't
[15:57] <dwatkins> SuperEngineer: how did you downgrade the driver in the end?
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> I found "alternative method - out of sheer tiredness and being a bit cheesed off
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> dwatkins: booted to earlier kernel, found that although it wasn't perfect it gave me x
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> ..then fired upo Additional Drivers from there
[15:58] <dwatkins> cool
[16:00] <SuperEngineer> ...I'm sure that method is not recommended [& have not found in any Googling] - but - when tired but determined, *it worked*
[16:01] <SuperEngineer> ;D
[16:06] <SuperEngineer> [btw - my only disappointment with Steam is that they haven't got Tiny Inferno on Linux yet, just windoze
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> ...and that it's not in the sale ;)
[16:07]  * SuperEngineer is a cheapskate
[16:18] <livingdaylight> I'm looking at ubuntu tv and ubuntu for android. Are these realities now or plans for the future. I saw no 'how-to' link
[16:21] <popey> ubuntu for android exists, but it's not avaliable to buy _yet_
[16:23] <livingdaylight> but one can download and install it presumably?
[16:23] <popey> not yet
[16:23] <livingdaylight> and ubuntu tv?
[16:24] <BigRedS> Anyone know what that PHP extension is/was that'll produce a picture showing which functions are used and how much?
[16:24] <livingdaylight> ok, so they are still plans
[16:24] <BigRedS> I think an Alan used it; AlanBell?
[16:24] <livingdaylight> any idea when they should become available?
[16:25] <mgdm> BigRedS: xhprof
[16:25] <mgdm> BigRedS: or xdebug can do it too, with the right options
[16:25] <BigRedS> mgdm: aha! Ta! xdebug's installed already, I'll go rtfm better :)
[16:26] <mgdm> BigRedS: http://www.xdebug.org/docs/profiler
[16:26] <mgdm> BigRedS: http://code.google.com/p/webgrind/ might be interesting too
[16:27] <BigRedS> oh, cool, cheers!
[16:34] <mgdm> if you have loadsamoney you can use New Relic, which is awesome, but quite pricey
[17:52] <bigcalm_xoom> Afternoon peeps :-)
[17:52] <mgdm> o/
[17:54] <bigcalm_xoom> Finally have windows 7 and ubuntu 12.10 running on this box. Though I had to buy a 2nd drive to do so.
[17:55] <bigcalm_xoom> Fresh install of ubuntu 12.10 worked OK. Let it install the 272 updates and now unity isn't starting correctly
[17:55] <bigcalm_xoom> Login screen works OK. Login and the default background is there, but nothing else
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_xoom: try going to VT1 (Ctrl+Alt+F1) and restarting lightdm
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> that worked for me
[18:09] <bigcalm_xoom> MartijnVdS: that will put me back at the login and then I get the same result
[18:10] <bigcalm_xoom> Ctrl alt f1 gives me a flashing cursor and nothing else.
[18:11]  * bigcalm_xoom installs xubutu-desktop hope this works
[18:12]  * penguin42 wonders how to stop firefox using it's unbuilt pdf viewer - it's pants
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it has one now?
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> the one in chrome is OK
[18:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's slow at high zooms and I just like either evince or okular
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... got a big whoopsie here - none of last night's magic working... tried updating to nvidia latest experimental again... *fail* - this time unable to revert
[18:41] <SuperEngineer> ..any ideas
[18:42] <SuperEngineer> [cureently on previous 12.04 kernel [.36] - nothing takes in .37
[18:43] <SuperEngineer> *currently
[18:44] <SuperEngineer> ...and only able to revert to nvidia current - in one word... *heeeeelp!*
[18:44] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: what video driver is installed?
[18:45] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it boots to blank desktop
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> popey: only just come back online - was that for me or bigcalm_xoom
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> ...and there goes my penultimae option! i wonder if removing the 3,2,0,27 kernel itself and reinstalling would work
[19:14] <SuperEngineer> *penultimate
[19:16] <SuperEngineer> ...and whoopsie again - just realised, .37 kernel
[19:24] <SuperEngineer> sigh... despite the lack of response I myself remain helpful... anyone using 12.04.2, nVidia Geforce 21n series, and kernel <IP_ADDRESS>  - *do not* try the 310 version of the driver as it = borked xsystem, stay with 304, despite Steam's annoying reminders
[19:37] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Have you got a bug filed on that - so that's an install from 12.04.1 upgraded ?
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no - not yet, only just got a working system back [using 3.3.36 kernel] - givvus a chance mate ;)
[19:39] <penguin42> hehe
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> been busy posting warning on twitter & mail list
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> ...& if anyone replies "why don't you just get a newer pooter?" ... moider is to be expected!
[19:45] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Don't worry, you can hide the body in some beefburgers
[19:45] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :D
[19:50] <SuperEngineer> file bug or watch Dr. Who? hmmm - no choice!
[19:55] <penguin42> that's what PVRs are for - get your priorities right!
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> personal viewing rights - Dr. Who still wins ;)
[19:58]  * AlanBell starts a team meeting thingummy over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> darn - another Dr Who disturbance ;)
[20:00] <DJones> Question from my Dad "My laptop keeps shutting down, any idea why?"
[20:01] <DJones> Any suggestions welcome, you have the same diagnostic info as me
[20:01] <penguin42> fluf in the fan
[20:01] <SuperEngineer> loose battery
[20:02] <DJones> They're about as good as you can get without more info
[20:04] <DJones> Apart from the '72 year old user error, clicking shutdown and forgetting"
[20:06] <penguin42> how old is the laptop and what surface is it on?
[20:10] <DJones> 2-3 years old and sat on the armrest of the sofa
[20:10] <DJones> And its running W7, so could be anything, a b utterfly farted in central america, so Win 7 decides to shut down :)
[20:14] <popey> hah
[20:41] <SuperEngineer> Is it safe to completely remove a linux image newer than one in current session via synaptic?
[20:43] <SuperEngineer> ...worries me as it also wants to remove linux-image & linux-image-generic
[20:45] <bigcalm_xoom> Found a bug while resizing a partition during the installer. Accedently tried to resize larger than the disk. Now I'm getting an error box of "can't have a partition outside of the disk!" That keeps coming back as soon as I clear it
[20:48] <popey> bigcalm_xoom: take screenshots / photos to file a bug?
[20:48] <popey> I'm sure xnox would be interested ☺
[20:48] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: manual partitioning or the automatic resize widget?
[20:48] <bigcalm_xoom> Manual
[20:49] <xnox> and not kubuntu?!
[20:49] <bigcalm_xoom> No
[20:49] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: ubuntu-bug ubiquity and please describe what you did. I can look at it next time i'll be poking manual partitioning.
[20:50] <bigcalm_xoom> I will try
[20:51] <brobostigon> question, do those tablet bottle, that have that push-screw top, seal tablets properly?
[20:53] <bigcalm_xoom> Oh dear, ubuntu-bug says that ubiquity is not an official ubuntu package and can't be reported
[20:56]  * bigcalm_xoom restarts and tries to be more careful
[20:56] <SuperEngineer> ah well... taking the chance anyway
[20:56]  * SuperEngineer crrosses fingies
[20:56] <xnox> =/
[20:56] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: it may take a while for us to catch on that the bug-reporting tool has a bug
[20:57] <bigcalm_xoom> Hehe
[20:57] <xnox> bigcalm_xoom: are you launching that from the cd?
[20:57] <SuperEngineer> & promises to do update-grub before restart!
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Xbox: fresh 12.10 image from a USB stick. Selected up
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Gah
[20:58] <bigcalm_xoom> Selected download updates while installing and install 3rd party software
[21:02]  * bigcalm_xoom returns to watching MIB2 on bluray with his lovely lady
[21:02] <mgdm> bigcalm_xoom: enjoy
[21:02] <bigcalm_xoom> Ta :)
[21:02] <rindolf> Hi all.
[21:02] <bigcalm_xoom> Hayley hasn't seen it. Should be fun
[21:05] <bigcalm_xoom> Oh, might be what you called the resize widget. I wasn't in disk
[21:06]  * bigcalm_xoom runs away
[21:09] <SuperEngineer> ok, fully removed <IP_ADDRESS>, updated grub... before I reboot, did i miss anything obvious?
[21:16] <BigRedS> nah, you'll have missed something hidden
[21:18] <SuperEngineer> thanks for the confidence BigRedS
[21:20] <BigRedS> haha
[21:20] <BigRedS> no worries!
[22:17] <SuperEngineer> ..and that's another added to "ignore"
[22:18] <popey> ?
[22:19] <SuperEngineer> popey: another racist named user
[22:20] <popey> oh missed that
[22:21] <czajkowski> popey: oh I share the same bug as you
[22:21] <czajkowski> bug #1041790
[22:21] <popey> annoying isnt it?
[22:23] <czajkowski> VERY
[22:23] <czajkowski> between that and my wifi bug little bit frustrated
[22:23] <czajkowski> logged a new bug for the wifi as the kernel folks think it's different
[22:23] <czajkowski> but have also confirmed it
[22:24] <SuperEngineer> wish me luck folks - here goes the reboot after removing a newer kernel. If I'm not back soon, you'll know why ;;)
[22:39] <SuperEngineer> ...Iiiii'mmmm baa-aaaack!
[22:39] <SuperEngineer> ...kernel remove / reinstal worked
[22:41]  * SuperEngineer wonders if he dare try his luck and go for an nvidia driver update as well?
[22:42] <SuperEngineer> to paraphrase a certain writer... I'm a braver man than you, Gungadin!
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> darn! where are those nvidia drivers hiding.. I go for a download, no network activity followed by
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> 2failed
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> 2
[23:05] <SuperEngineer> I'm sure I need to remove old downloads... somehow
[23:06] <SuperEngineer> [sub 2/"]
[23:07] <SuperEngineer> if it wasn't for getting steam back I'd be happy using nvidia current
[23:15] <SuperEngineer> 'ang on - just tried the games downloaded this morning, they still work!   Yes, it does exist :)
[23:33] <SuperEngineer> thanks phillw - didn't know!
[23:33] <phillw> SuperEngineer: it was a lucky guess! Didn't have to google for it :D
[23:33] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[23:35] <SuperEngineer> & it's got 101 users!
[23:40] <SuperEngineer> looking at clock,,, think I'll call it quits with achievements so far...
[23:40] <SuperEngineer> [back to useable 3.3.0-37 kernel, nvidia [verion current], ganes downloaded this morning working fully again]
[23:41] <SuperEngineer> ...will ask on ubuntu-steam tomorrow - when brain less tired
[23:42] <SuperEngineer> & thanks again for the heads-up phillw
[23:42] <SuperEngineer> ttfn
[23:42] <phillw> SuperEngineer: take care!
[23:43] <SuperEngineer> will do


[11:06] <alkisg> Hi, if I system boots fine with noapic, and crashes randomly without it, can I use some more refined kernel parameter to pinpoint it, or should I leave it at that?
[11:40] <lorddoskias> hello i have a tp-link wn822N rtl8192eu based usb wifi dongle and ubuntu 16.04.03. But the rtl8xxxu module is not detecting the wifi dongle. Here is the lsudb output: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 2357:0108
[11:47] <lorddoskias> it seems the rtl8xxxu driver in ubuntu is missing: c14239f23adb ("rtl8xxxu: Add another 8192eu device to the USB list")
[13:05] <smb> lorddoskias, you could increase the chances of this getting added to the 4.10 hwe kernel (if you are actually using that and not the original 4.4) before 4.13 becomes the next hwe kernel by filing a bug report for it (just run "ubuntu-bug linux" on the machine with the dongle plugged in). Then mention the bug number here
[15:13] <longsleep> Hey all, i want to run Kernel 4.14 on Xenial. Anyone here already figured out a way to avoid problems with AppArmor profile compatibility?
[16:40] <jjohansen> longsleep: it should be fine. Xenial actually has more features apparmor wise than 4.14
[16:45] <longsleep> jjohansen: mhm - last version i tried was linux-image-4.14.0-041400rc3-generic and there i get lot of denies of eg. dhclient
[16:51] <jjohansen> longsleep: so there was a patch reverted for 4.14-rc7, that was likely to be the source of your problem. Its not there anymore
[16:52] <jjohansen> so you should be fine
[16:52] <longsleep> jjohansen: ah that is excellent news thanks! Will try later tonight
[18:19] <longsleep> jjohansen: interesting, updated my Xenial installation to linux-image-4.14.0-041400-generic_4.14.0-041400.201711122031 and now [    0.042709] AppArmor: AppArmor disabled by boot time parameter - is that the expected behavior?
[18:19] <longsleep> trying to add `apparmor=1 security=apparmor` now ..
[18:25] <jjohansen> longsleep: it depends on how you configured your kernel when you built it. you need
[18:25] <jjohansen> CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR=y
[18:25] <jjohansen> CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR_BOOTPARAM_VALUE=1
[18:25] <jjohansen> CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY_APPARMOR=y
[18:25] <jjohansen> CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY="apparmor"
[18:28] <longsleep> jjohansen: yeah sure, i use the one from the ubuntu mainline kernel ppa - since ever those kernels had apparmor enabled by default. Now with http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.14/ i need to add `apparmor=1 security=apparmor` - then it actually even works
[18:28] <longsleep> those now seem to have +# CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY_APPARMOR is not set
[18:29] <longsleep> mhm ok, thats troubling imho - many people running from that ppa will have no apparmor when going for 4.14 without even noticing
[18:32] <longsleep> whoa that 4.14 package even has CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY="selinux" - is Ubuntu switching to selinux?
[19:11] <jjohansen> longsleep: no, I have no idea why that would be set there
[19:12] <sforshee> jjohansen: our ubuntu configs have changed because of the lsm stacking patches, I think CONFIG_SECURITY_APPARMOR was removed. So when we try to apply those configs to mainline builds probably some options are getting set to whatever the defaults are.
[19:13] <sforshee> or CONFIG_DEFAULT_SECURITY_APPARMOR i mean
[19:14] <sforshee> apw: ^, not sure what we should do about that
[19:32] <jjohansen> sforshee: ah right, I'll get back to you on that
[20:13] <apw> sforshee: the config will need adapting ...
[20:14] <apw> there is a way to do that, card me ?
[20:14] <sforshee> apw: ack


[22:06] <wrst> afternoon chris4585
[22:07] <chris4585> wrst, yo
[22:08] <wrst> I'm in Walmart chris4585 fighting a Friday afternoon battle
[22:09] <chris4585> o.O
[22:09] <chris4585> good luck
[23:05] <wrst> i made it
[23:08] <chris4585> woot


[16:01] <arosales> o/
[16:01] <arges> o/
[16:03] <hallyn> \o
[16:03] <coreycb> o/
[16:03] <rbasak> o/
[16:04] <magicalChicken> o/
[16:06] <rharper> \o
[16:06] <smoser> o/
[16:06] <matsubara> o/
[16:07] <smoser> should be gnoy
[16:07] <smoser> i did last time, but didnt update
[16:07] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:07] <smoser> bad smoser
[16:07] <smoser> i cant' really lead now. on a call.
[16:07] <smoser> gnuoy gaughen jamespage beisner zul arosales hallyn rbasak matsubara coreycb jgrimm kickinz1
[16:07] <arosales> I can lead smoser
[16:07] <rbasak> Thanks arosales
[16:08] <arosales> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 11 16:08:00 2015 UTC.  The chair is arosales. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:08] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:08] <arosales> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:09] <arosales> smoser to check with Odd_Bloke on status of high priority bug 1461242
[16:09]  * arosales checks bug
[16:10] <arosales> I don't see a recent comment in the bug thus I will carry that action over
[16:10] <arosales> #action smoser to check with Odd_Bloke on status of high priority bug 1461242
[16:10] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser to check with Odd_Bloke on status of high priority bug 1461242
[16:10] <smoser> well, that is fix-released in wily
[16:10] <arosales> smoser, so you are good with that one?
[16:10] <arosales> given its fixed released :-)
[16:10] <arosales> next action item
[16:10] <arosales> Thoughts about numad
[16:11] <arosales> no owner
[16:11] <arosales> anyone have any thoughts on numad? Not sure what the action here is
[16:11] <arosales> hmm . . .  doesn't seem so
[16:12] <rharper> arosales: with more context I can have info
[16:12] <arosales> I won't carry that one over as I don't know what action is needed there
[16:12] <rharper> I knew we've discussed bringing in a numad or scripts with numa balancing for hosts doing virt in the past, hallyn and I
[16:12] <arosales> rharper, I agree not a lot of context, perhaps sync up with smoser on the context there.
[16:12] <smb> arosales, I think it was intended as a hint to think about it generally
[16:13] <arosales> all the info I have is what is @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:13] <smb> Like libvirt would ask for it to make automatic numa aware placement of memory/vcpus on numa hosts
[16:13] <rharper> arosales: I'll take an action to follow up with the team
[16:14] <arosales> #action rharper investigate  bringing in a numad or scripts with numa balancing for hosts doing virt
[16:14] <meetingology> ACTION: rharper investigate  bringing in a numad or scripts with numa balancing for hosts doing virt
[16:14] <arosales> rharper, thanks
[16:14] <rharper> np
[16:14] <arosales> #topic Wily Development
[16:14] <rbasak> o/
[16:14] <arosales> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:14] <rbasak> So I have a pretty lengthy item here.
[16:14] <rharper> smb: feel free to mail me with any questions/requests w.r.t numad stuff and I'll collect and respond
[16:14] <rbasak> In short, my team at Canonical are going to take on a bunch of bugs, so I'd like to use this meeting to assign them.
[16:15] <smb> rharper, ack
[16:15] <rbasak> magicalChicken, rharper, kickinz1, jgrimm and smoser should all have bug assignments from my queue I think.
[16:15] <rbasak> Anybody else? rcj maybe?
[16:16] <rharper> rbasak: are these new assignments or ones we picked up last week ?
[16:16] <rbasak> I'd like to assign each person multiple bugs as it's likely that one or other bug will have an issue that will block you.
[16:16] <rbasak> rharper: so I'd like to add additional assignments, but without the expectation that you'll do all of them in a week - just to keep things going in the pipeline.
[16:17] <rbasak> Does that sound OK?
[16:17] <rharper> rbasak: sounds good
[16:17] <rbasak> I have shortlisted from my backlog the following bugs (tagged server-next for the purposes of this meeting - I'll untag when assigned): https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RES
[16:17] <rbasak> PONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=server-next&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.
[16:17] <rbasak> has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[16:17] <rbasak> Hmm
[16:17] <rbasak> Need a link shortener I thnk.
[16:17] <rbasak> https://goo.gl/tbvy0R
[16:18] <rbasak> ipmi_si is for the kernel section of the meeting
[16:18] <rbasak> Can we assign the others please?
[16:18] <rbasak> They should all be relatively straightforward - I've picked them so we can ramp everyone up easily and get some momentum going.
[16:18] <arosales> #link https://goo.gl/tbvy0R
[16:19] <rbasak> Does anyone want anything specific from that list, or shall I just assign them?
[16:19] <rharper> rbasak: I suggest just assigning and the team can swap
[16:20] <rbasak> OK
[16:20] <rbasak> magicalChicken: I'll give you bug 1394403
[16:20] <magicalChicken> rbasak: Okay, cool
[16:21] <rbasak> magicalChicken: not sure which LP id to use. Please could you assign yourself?
[16:21] <magicalChicken> rbasak: okay, sure
[16:22] <rbasak> rharper: I'll give you bug 1457957
[16:22] <rharper> rbasak: OK
[16:22] <rbasak> smoser: bug 1483093. Not sure if this is valid or not, needs investigation. Should be trivial either way.
[16:22] <rbasak> Actually, on second thought.
[16:22] <rbasak> Maybe kickinz1?
[16:24] <rbasak> smoser: I'll give you bug 1481337 instead.
[16:25] <rbasak> There are two PHP ones which might be fixable in a combined SRU
[16:25] <rbasak> bug 1474276 and bug 1481289
[16:25] <rbasak> So might as well give them to the same person
[16:26] <rbasak> rharper: can I give them to you for your backlog? No expectation to do more than one of them this week.
[16:26] <rharper> rbasak: sure
[16:26] <smoser> rbasak, ack
[16:27] <rbasak> OK, that's everything I had picked for this meeting assigned.
[16:27] <rbasak> What I'd like to see is progress on each one bug from everyone by the next IRC meeting please. If you don't find the time, then we can consult with jgrimm (Canonical server team manager) to adjust work allocations.
[16:28] <rbasak> So if you haven't commented progress in the bug by the next meeting I'll ask for progress in the next meeting itself.
[16:28] <rbasak> Please feel free to ping me if you need any help driving your bugs forward.
[16:28] <rbasak> That's all from me - thanks.
[16:28] <rbasak> Any questions?
[16:29] <rharper> sounds good
[16:29] <rbasak> Great!
[16:29] <rbasak> arosales: thanks, please continue.
[16:31] <arosales> reminder feature freeze is Aug 20.
[16:31] <arosales> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:31] <arosales> do we need to cover this section?
[16:31] <arosales> rbasak, ?
[16:33] <rbasak> I'm not sure.
[16:33] <rbasak> They haven't been on my radar for attention
[16:34] <arosales> ok, any other bugs we should discuss @ #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:34] <rbasak> I don't see anything there that I think requires discussion.
[16:37] <arosales> going onto the next subject
[16:37] <arosales> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:37] <arosales> any topics caribou
[16:37] <arosales> . . .
[16:39] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:39] <smb> The ipmi_si bug rbasak mentioned is in progress. Test kernel verified, need to finish the sru steps. Apart from that I think there is nothing to report.
[16:39] <rbasak> Thank you for taking care of that bug smb
[16:39] <rbasak> (it's bug 1483214 for anyone interested)
[16:40] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:40] <matsubara> nothing new to report arosales
[16:41] <matsubara> arosales, actually I have a SRU to verify (bug 1336742) but that's all.
[16:42] <arosales> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:43] <arosales> thanks for covering that topic, sorry I missed you
[16:43] <arosales> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:44] <arosales> any CFPs?
[16:44] <arosales> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:44] <arosales> LinuxCon coming up
[16:45] <arosales> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america
[16:48] <arosales> ...
[16:48] <arosales> #topic Open Discussion
[16:48] <arosales> Any other topics
[16:48] <arosales> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:50] <arosales> NEXT MEETING: Tuesday 2015-08-18 at 1600 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:50] <arosales> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 11 16:50:27 2015 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-08-11-16.08.moin.txt
[16:50] <rbasak> arosales: thank you for the short notice chairing!
[16:50] <rharper> arosales: thanks!
[16:51] <arosales> np
[17:00] <jsalisbury> startmeeting
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Wily
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:00] <rtg> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Wily Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> We have rebased our Wily master-next branch to the latest upstream
[17:01] <ogasawara> v4.2-rc6 and uploaded to our ~canonical-kernel-team PPA.  We are
[17:01] <ogasawara> still fixing up DKMS packages before we proceed uploading to the
[17:01] <ogasawara> archive.
[17:01] <ogasawara> -----
[17:01] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Aug 20 - Feature Freeze (~1 week away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Aug 27 - Beta 1 (~2 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> Thurs Sep 24 - Fina Beta (~6 weeks away)
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:01] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/Utopic/Vivid (bjf)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:03] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury!
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:03] <bjf>   *     Precise - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   *      Trusty - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   *  lts-Utopic - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>   *      Vivid  - Verification & Testing
[17:03] <bjf>
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> Schedule:
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> cycle: 26-Jul through 15-Aug
[17:04] <bjf> [17:04] <bjf>          24-Jul   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:04] <bjf> 26-Jul - 01-Aug   Kernel prep week.
[17:04] <bjf> 02-Aug - 08-Aug   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:04] <bjf> 09-Aug - 15-Aug   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:04] <bjf>
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <kamal> jsalisbury, can you arrange to get that ^^ into the minutes?
[17:04] <jsalisbury> kamal, sure thing
[17:04] <kamal> :-)