  Dit wat jy nie elke dag doen nie , en nie elke dag gebruik nie vergeet mens
[06:18] <Kilos> ja
[06:18] <Kilos> maar ek gaan hopelik net een site bou in my leeftyd
[06:19] <Kilos> en die probleem is , dis nie eers my site nie, grrr
[06:19] <mazal> Ek het jare terug my eie web site gehad , het dit geniet , maar dit het te veel werk begin raak om in stand te hou
[06:19] <Kilos> dis die probleem
[06:20] <Kilos> jy het gekyk na ons ubuntu-za site ne?
[06:20] <mazal> Hy moet op datum bly met nuwe goete kort kort , anders raak die besoekers verveeld met hom
[06:20] <Kilos> ek moet presies so site bou vir afrika
[06:20] <mazal> Sjoe
[06:21] <Kilos> daarom gebruik ek die selle "tools" sodat ek die meeste van ons site kan steel
[06:21] <mazal> My ander probleem was die tyd toe ek oorgaan na linux toe , toe kon ek nie 'n web design tool vind wat ek verstaan nie
[06:21] <Kilos> ai!
[06:21] <mazal> Ek kannie code nie , het WYSIWYG tool gebruik vir myne
[06:22] <mazal> En toe los ek maar die web site ding
[06:22] <Kilos> lol
[06:24] <Kilos> ons moet eintlik meer engels gebruik, daar klomp nuwe mense hier wat nie die taal ken nie
[06:24] <mazal> Is daar iemand hier ?
[06:25]  * Kilos apologises to visitors from africa.  one forgets that everyone doesnt understand afrikaans
[06:26] <Kilos> yes 4 visitors from afrika
[06:27] <Kilos> some from kenya where our repos now are
[06:29] <mazal> cool
[06:30]  * mazal continues processing the way too much steel in the chests
[06:39] <Kilos> well i think ive got it to generate a google site map
[06:40] <Kilos> now to work out what the link is for local stuff
[06:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:41] <Kilos> was so much easier in the old days when a trunk was something that hung off the front of an elephant
[06:41] <mazal> lol , indeed
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[06:43] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[06:44] <Kilos> wow what did you do? i didnt see a ThatGraemeGuy  has joined
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> I've been using my bouncer again
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> stopped for a while and now using again
[06:45] <Kilos> ah
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, when my adsl was dead for nearly 2 months
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> running on a VM now
[06:46] <Kilos> nice
[06:47] <mazal> Morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hai
[06:48] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Any suggestions of what to do with way too much iron ?
[06:49] <mazal> Been creating carbon , stainless and brass , but still have a ton left
[06:49] <Kilos> what are you doing mazal  ?
[06:50] <mazal> Minetest oom
[06:50] <Kilos> oh minetest
[06:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> build an iron castle?
[06:50] <mazal> hmm , think I must do that
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I suck at building, don't ask me :)
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> I haven't even finished my house
[06:50] <mazal> Iron and tin chests are overflowing
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> tons of stainless steel, lots of nuclear reactors
[06:51] <mazal> But can't stop the quarries as I still need a ton of talinite for a building I am busy with
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can always discard the stuff you don't want
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> i discard cobble gravel kalite arol
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> too much of that stuff, not enough use
[06:51] <mazal> Will the stuff that drop next to the chest discard by itself upon server restart ?
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can only eat so much kalite
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> its better to use a trash can, having entities just pile up like that wastes memory
[06:52] <mazal> Cos I don't have enough space in the discard filter to add more stuff there
[06:52] <mazal> Trash can ?
[06:52] <Jacques_Stry> Was catching up and confused for a while - so you guys playing minetest?
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> trash can
[06:53] <mazal> Don't know about that
[06:53] <mazal> Must learn about that
[06:53] <Kilos> lol ya Jacques_Stry
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> pffft and you call yourself a quarry engineer :P
[06:53] <mazal> lol
[06:53] <mazal> I wouldn't call myself that
[06:53] <Jacques_Stry> have been playing minecraft for a long time - I gues minetest allot of the same?
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> Jacques_Stry: we have a local server too but that's pretty much a ghost town now
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> similar concept yes
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> I haven't played minecraft myself
[06:54] <mazal> Part of pipeworks or technic ThatGraemeGuy ?
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmmmmm
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think pipeworks
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> search the craft guide for 'trash'
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a white/grey striped box
[06:55] <mazal> Found it , pipewroks
[06:55] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  minetest is free
[06:55] <mazal> pipeworks even
[06:55] <Kilos> only data use kills 3g users pockets
[06:55] <mazal> So I send my discard filter to that via tube yes ?
[06:55] <Jacques_Stry> I'll check it out later when i'm at home - got 4mb uncapped so whatever
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i usually set up 2 or 3 chests around my quarrying and teleport all the quarry outputs there
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> via a sorter that throws the junk into a trash can
[06:56] <mazal> I have the same kind of setup , put the junk just outputs into a big hole
[06:56]  * Kilos loves that game
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that kinda works but if you were doing that on a public server you'd get a smack
[06:56] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  please give Jacques_Stry  the link to our game
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe a ban depending whose server it is
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos nobody plays on our server
[06:57] <mazal> I'm gonna defnitely test out that trash can ta
[06:57] <Kilos> he can look what we have done there
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i logged on to the server last week and it wasn't even running, i don't know for how long
[06:57] <Kilos> ai!
[06:57] <mazal> My biggest problem is that the sorting tube doesn't have enough space to configure all the junk
[06:58] <mazal> Unless I split up and let each quarry goes to his own system
[06:58] <Jacques_Stry> What version you guys running?
[06:58] <Kilos> it goois into trash mazal  an then its gone
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> use a second branch
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Jacques_Stry: I compile the source from github, the packaged versions are typically too old
[06:59] <Jacques_Stry> k Wil do
[06:59] <mazal> Nee oom , what I mean is , the filter only have space to specify 6 things ( if memory is correct ) but I have like 12 junks , so can't specify all
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Jacques_Stry: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: are you talking about a sorting tube?
[06:59] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: yep
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> add a second trash can on another branch
[06:59] <Kilos> oh add more chests and trash cans and split things up
[07:00] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: Gonna look into that defnitely thanx
[07:00] <mazal> Will see if I get it right
[07:00] <mazal> oh no !!! Bullfight !!! Gotta run for now !!!
[07:17] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy: So just tube to trash can , that's it ?
[07:18] <mazal> From any side ?
[07:18] <Kilos> lol
[07:18] <Kilos> i did it on top i think
[07:20] <Kilos> you can set the tubes to only pass certain things
[07:21] <mazal> Now how in the world am I going to remember to tell bduk to do this as well.
[07:21] <mazal> Will only see him in two weeks
[07:21] <Kilos> ljust let him look by you
[07:22] <mazal> Because he also have a junk exhaust that goes just to a hole
[07:22] <mazal> uhm...
[07:22] <mazal> maaz , tell bduk Vra vir wikus oor die trash can , baie belangrik
[07:22] <Maaz> mazal: Okay, I'll tell bduk on freenode
[07:23] <Kilos> and make a gold chest to lock up used uranium
[07:23] <mazal> All my chests are gold
[07:23] <Kilos> dont want you getting sick
[07:23] <mazal> Well , almost all
[07:24] <mazal> And backup plan , going to go put a sign at his place to contact me
[07:24] <Kilos> should never be able to fill it but if you do go drop it in a deep lake or sea
[07:27] <mazal> Uranium haven't hurt me yet
[07:27] <mazal> Only the Reactor itself as soon as I load fuel rods
[07:27] <Kilos> lol ya
[07:27] <mazal> Fortunately I can fly very quick lol
[07:27] <Kilos> disconnect the output cable when charging
[07:28] <Kilos> i got killed lots
[07:28] <mazal> I just fly away quickly when that last rod goes in
[07:29] <Squirm-> Morning
[07:29] <mazal> Morning Squirm
[07:30] <Kilos> hi Squirm-
[07:32] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/118471-dont-talk-in-front-of-your-smart-tv-it-may-be-listening.html
[07:32] <Kilos> where is it going to end
[07:38] <mazal> lol , I'm so glad I will never be able to afford all these "smart" stuff
[07:39] <Kilos> yeah
[07:39] <Squirm> Kilos: yeah, I read that :P
[07:39] <Squirm> mazal: same here
[07:39] <Squirm> though, if I think it's worth it, I'll save
[07:40] <Squirm> but tbh, I'd rather buy a bigger TV vs. a smaller smart TV
[07:40] <Squirm> My RPi makes any TV smart enough
[07:40] <Kilos> sjoe imagine having to be careful of what you say because the tv is listening
[07:40] <Squirm> lol
[07:41] <Squirm> No thanks
[07:41] <Squirm> and it's only if you have Voice Recognition on
[07:41] <highvoltage> that's been the case of almost every smart tv made so far
[07:41] <Squirm> hey highvoltage
[07:41] <highvoltage> hey Squirm
[07:41] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[07:42] <Kilos> i see they have even found a workaround to tor
[08:00] <charl> good morning
[08:00] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:00]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:00] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:00] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee please
[08:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:00] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:01] <Kilos> ha the bot knows i been knighted
[08:01] <charl> lol
[08:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:09] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks man
[08:09] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[08:13] <charl> Maaz: danke
[08:13] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:54] <Jacques_Stry> Was checking Ubuntu for phones again, looks better than I expected.
[08:54] <Jacques_Stry> Would be nice if I could test it on one of my devices
[08:55] <Jacques_Stry> But I checked, all of my devices have major problems with the development builds
[08:56] <Kilos> eish that sucks
[09:10]  * Kilos waves to the fly
[09:12] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[09:12] <Kerbero> More oom kilos
[09:12] <Kilos> gaanit?
[09:13] <Kerbero> Kan nie kla nie. Baie werk soos altyd.  It fixes so much :|
[09:21] <Trixar_za> Also: http://www.qupzilla.com/
[09:24] <Trixar_za> There's also QtWeb, VLC and KvIRC that works natively :P
[09:25] <Trixar_za> <3 Qt
[09:28] <not_found> *yawn*
[09:38] <Kilos> actually with a ssd aw where did neelsie go now
[09:38] <Kilos> not_found  hihi
[09:39] <Kilos> sjoe i got a call while typing here so got mixed up on return
[09:41] <Kilos> started saying with an ssd kde should be fine
[09:41] <superfly> Trixar_za: LXQt
[09:41] <not_found> o/
[09:42] <superfly> Trixar_za: RazorQt is no more, AFAIK, it's merged with LXDE to form LXQt
[09:42] <superfly> hi not_found
[09:42] <not_found> how are our latest ubu members doing today? :)
[09:42] <Kilos> lol we good just tired
[09:42] <Kilos> too many late nights
[09:43] <Trixar_za> I really can't keep up with these changes
[09:43] <Trixar_za> :P
[09:43] <Kilos> note number of nicks here not_found
[09:43] <Kilos> Trixar_za  now imagine how i feel
[09:43] <superfly> http://lxqt.org/
[09:44] <Kilos> 1 change every two years is my speed
[09:44] <Kilos> that page is slow superfly
[09:45] <Kilos> Unable to load the webpage because the server sent no data.
[09:45] <Kilos> there fixd now
[09:45] <not_found> nice to see a pickup in peeps here
[09:45] <Kilos> fixxed
[09:46] <Kilos> superfly  can i install lxqt here or is it not wise?
[09:48] <not_found> I don't know how stable it is currently... if you want lighter I am sure that razor-qt is still more stable
[09:48] <Kilos> na maybe ill stay here
[09:48] <Kilos> everything is stable and unbreakable
[09:49] <Kilos> not_found  you been gone so long i dont know how up to date you are on recent happenings
[09:50] <not_found> only been a few days :p
[09:50] <Kilos> you can login to #ubuntu-africa and read the links in the topic bar
[09:50] <Kilos> are you sure? feels like weeks you been gone
[09:51] <not_found> not_found = nlsthzn
[09:51] <not_found> remember :p
[09:51] <Kilos> yaya
[09:51] <not_found> lol
[09:52] <not_found> always lurking but been a bit more quiet than normal... wife very pregnant and now playing the waiting game
[09:52] <Kilos> im too buried in nikola nad bzr to remember if i had coffee this morning
[09:52] <not_found> nice
[09:52] <not_found> best way to learn :)
[09:52] <Kilos> oh ya its soon hey
[09:53] <not_found> any minute... or next week :/
[09:53] <Kilos> nono im stuck now so resting
[09:53] <Kilos> whew good luck
[09:53] <Kilos> tell mommy vasbyt
[09:53] <Kilos> hi Neo31`
[09:57] <not_found> thanks uncle Kilos , will tell her
[09:57] <Neo31`> hi ther eki
[09:57] <Neo31`> Kilos,
[10:32] <Padroni> Hi Hi
[10:32] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[10:33] <Padroni> how are you?
[10:33] <Kilos> tired ty and you?
[10:33] <Kilos> hehe
[10:33] <Padroni> tired
[10:34] <Padroni> slept 3.5 hours
[10:34] <Padroni> i am in zombie mode atm
[10:34] <Kilos> didnt you sleep till now
[10:34] <Kilos> ouch
[10:34] <Padroni> went to bed 2H30
[10:35] <Padroni> was up at 6
[10:35] <Padroni> gotta make my kids lunch for school
[10:35] <Kilos> why up so early?
[10:35] <Kilos> oh my
[10:35] <Kilos> how old are they
[10:36] <Padroni> 8 & 10
[10:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:36] <Padroni> got a 4 month old baby as well
[10:36] <Kilos> doesnt end my man, mine is near 40 and when he visits its a mission to get him to make the food
[10:37] <Kilos> nice
[10:37] <Padroni> hehe
[10:37] <Kilos> but im lucky , sometimes he brings a bucket of kentucky then i get to pig out
[10:37] <Padroni> Need to draw up some plans for a cold room for my brewery
[10:38] <Padroni> need to get my beer fermenting at a lower temperature...
[10:38] <Kilos> look at small containers with fridge unit on
[10:38] <Kilos> there should be for sale by now
[10:40] <Padroni> dude even a crappy 20 foot container is minimum R8k
[10:40] <Padroni> plus R2k to get it delivered to your house
[10:40] <Padroni> I don't have that to spend on a container - although I would LOVE one
[10:41] <Kilos> wow
[10:41] <Kilos> im out of touch with everything except pc part prices
[10:46] <Padroni> brb
[10:46] <Padroni> gotta go do something about these damn ants
[10:46] <Kilos> lol
[11:26] <inetpro> Yikes!!!
[11:27] <inetpro> Kilos, superfly: did you see the news?
[11:27] <inetpro> you guys are famous
[11:27] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue403
[11:29] <inetpro> and
[11:29]  * inetpro 's announcement even got noticed
[11:29] <mazal> I saw it :)
[11:30] <inetpro> \o/
[11:34] <superfly> "famous"
[11:34] <superfly> who even reads that?  Can a 100mb Singlemode fibre module connect to 1Gbit Singlemode module?
[14:33] <Kilos> lol
[14:36] <Kilos> never mind  inetpro   we all get old sooner or later
[14:44] <inetpro> ai!
[14:52] <charl> good afternoon gentlemen
[14:53] <charl> does anyone have any experience managing agile development teams using atlassian jira
[14:54] <Kilos> hi charl
[14:54] <charl> hi Kilos
[14:55] <charl> hi mazal
[14:56] <mazal> hi charl
[15:38] <magespawn> good evening
[15:38] <Kilos> hi my magespawn
[15:39] <charl> hi magespawn
[15:39] <charl> how are you
[15:41] <magespawn> hi charl, good and you?
[15:41] <charl> good good
[15:44] <magespawn> having and making money
[15:44] <magespawn> sorry
[15:44] <magespawn> having fun and making money
[15:44] <magespawn> viloent femmes
[15:45] <magespawn> man where is the yping
[15:45] <magespawn> typing
[15:45] <magespawn> violent femmes
[15:46] <Kilos> making money how magespawn
[15:47] <Kilos> letting birds beat you up?
[15:48] <magespawn> err, no, just working
[15:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <mazal> Must be lekke when making money is fun :)
[16:00] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <magespawn> hi mazal
[16:01] <magespawn> i have resolved to have fun no matter what
[16:01] <Kilos> thats a good motto
[16:01]  * mazal waits for Kilos to ask the question
[16:01] <Kilos> enjoy everything
[16:01] <Kilos> what question?
[16:01] <mazal> Wat maak jy hier in die aand
[16:02] <magespawn> kaas en vetkoek
[16:02] <Kilos> lol i saw that just now and thought you must be gaming and need advice
[16:03] <mazal> Ah man !! magespawn don't say vetkoek around me :P
[16:03] <Kilos> im working hard on the whole bzr and the other thing
[16:04] <Kilos> nikola
[16:04] <mazal> Kilos: Close enough. I been battling with something on my minetest and the minetest guys helped me , so I had to start my server on my main pc and my laptop to connect to it and now I'm popping in while waiting for food to get cooked
[16:04] <Kilos> lol
[16:05] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[16:05] <mazal> And keeping an eye on server to see if fix works
[16:05] <mazal> Wish I could run it permanent like this though , is nice
[16:06] <mazal> But there is that little thing called "gaming on Win pc" that prevents that
[16:07] <mazal> my food is ready , l8tr all
[16:13] <magespawn> get two computers
[16:14] <magespawn> busy doing a release upgrade on ubuntu server running on a laptop
[16:15] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:15] <Kilos> using ssh?
[16:15] <Kilos> or built in gui
[16:15] <magespawn> no i have the actual pc in front of me
[16:16] <magespawn> also upgrading my kali linux laptop
[16:21] <magespawn> straight from the cli Kilos
[16:22] <Kilos> aha
[16:24] <magespawn> no need to ssh just because you can, besides this looks more impressive, and there are people to impress around here at the moment
[16:24] <Kilos> lol
[16:34] <mazal> Daarsy , stomach full and dishes washed , now I can play :)
[16:37] <magespawn> i always seem to play before i eat
[16:45] <mazal> If I do that I forget to eat
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:55] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[16:56] <superfly> Hi.  Go go go!
[18:07] <Kilos> hi gremble  stickyboy
[18:08] <Kilos> stickyboy  find me more peeps for ubuntu-africa in between al your other stuff
[18:09] <Kilos> hi SDCDev  sorry im so slow
[18:09] <Kilos> floundering in nikola and bzr
[18:09] <gremble> Ok, I am bouncing again. I need desk space
[18:09] <gremble> Cheers guys
[18:10] <stickyboy> Kilos: Always. :)
[18:10] <Kilos> ai1 gremble
[18:11] <Kilos> good man sticky find the ethiopians too
[18:11] <Kilos> your buddy seems to have gone to sleep
[18:17] <stickyboy> Kilos: Yah, and I even emailed the Ethiopian guy but he didn't respond.
[18:17] <stickyboy> He's pretty active on GitHub, maybe I'll stalk him.
[18:17] <Kilos> lol good idea
[18:18] <Kilos> he said he would pull in eastern africa for us
[18:18] <Kilos> maybe he is so busy he forgot
[18:19] <stickyboy> Maybe
[18:19] <Kilos> he did contactme
[18:19] <stickyboy> He's a good guy, we definitely want him involved.
[18:19] <Kilos> maybe he just needs a push
[18:19] <Kilos> you are the man for the job
[18:43] <captine> evening all
[18:43] <Kilos> hi captine
[18:44] <inetpro> hello captine
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[18:46] <Tonberry> hi
[18:46] <inetpro> hello Tonberry
[18:52] <stickyboy> Where is magespawn?
[18:52] <stickyboy> Or wait, who was it who did ubuntu-za.org?
[18:53] <Kilos> that was the fly but he has no power atm
[18:54] <magespawn> i am here just had dinner
[18:54] <Kilos> stickyboy  why dont you like it?
[18:57] <Kilos> magespawn  rev up your bzr and nikloa
[18:57] <Kilos> nikola
[18:59] <captine> night all.
[18:59] <captine> sorry... not chatting much tonight
[19:00] <Kilos> sjoe night capsleep tight
[19:00] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <superfly> stickyboy: me
[19:03] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, good night all
[19:04] <Kilos> night magespawn
[19:04] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:05] <stickyboy> superfly: Props for supporting AES-GCM-128.
[19:05] <stickyboy> Is that whole site static HTML?
[19:06] <superfly> yep
[19:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> moo
[19:08] <Kilos> haha hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo :)
[19:12] <stickyboy> superfly: $ siege -d1 -t1M -c50 https://ubuntu-za.org
[19:12] <stickyboy> :D
[19:12] <stickyboy> See how well the server holds up. :)
[19:13] <superfly> stickyboy: I must confess it is not my server. I'm just the guy in charge of making it all pretty.
[19:16] <stickyboy> Ah. :)
[19:28] <Kilos> hi clr
[19:28] <clr> I ask you again, don't you sleep?
[19:28] <clr> how are youi
[19:29] <Kilos> ya man i sleep all the time
[19:29] <clr> anything interesting happening around here?
[19:29] <clr> hehe
[19:29] <clr> I'm about to go to bed, thought I'd check in
[19:29] <Kilos> lol
[19:29] <Kilos> im surrounded by old peeps
[19:30] <Kilos> ty for checking in first though
[19:30] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:30] <clr> who are they?
[19:30] <Kilos> everyone thats in bed before me
[19:31] <clr> haha, my normal bed time is about 12 but tonight I am a bit tired.
[19:31] <Kilos> but i understand family men with small kids
[19:31] <Kilos> np clr  go sleep lad
[19:32] <clr> oh, kid is asleep already
[19:32] <Kilos> oh not a keep you up all night one
[19:32] <Kilos> you lucky
[19:33] <clr> hehe no he is gr7 already
[19:33] <Kilos> yay
[19:33] <Kilos> so you are also a ballie then
[19:34] <clr> yea, my 30th matric reunion this year
[19:34] <clr> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> wow
[19:34] <Kilos> you older than me even
[19:34] <Kilos> oh maybe not
[19:34] <clr> I thought you're retired
[19:35] <Kilos> forced
[19:35] <Kilos> because of head injury
[19:35] <Kilos> left my brains on a farm
[19:35] <clr> yo
[19:35] <Kilos> haha
[19:35] <clr> sounds serious
[19:35] <Kilos> it was but im getting better
[19:36] <Kilos> ask the guys how stupid i was when i joined here
[19:36] <clr> good to hear
[19:36] <Kilos> hehe
[19:36] <clr> sho, bike accident?
[19:37] <Kilos> no windmill bashed my head open
[19:37] <Kilos> from above left eye to behing left ear
[19:38] <Kilos> but a reboot in icu got things going again
[19:38] <Kilos> so you are nearly 50
[19:38] <Kilos> sjoe ballie
[19:39] <clr> haha youre only as old as the woman you feel
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <Kilos> my maric reunion would be my 47th one
[19:39] <Kilos> matric
[19:40] <Kilos> sjoe go to bed you making me feel old
[19:41] <clr> haha, my wife busy distracting me here
[19:41] <Kilos> haha go
[19:41] <clr> I'll have to sign off
[19:41] <clr> cheers
[19:42] <Kilos> cheers
[19:42] <Kilos> aw numbers dropping again
[19:43] <Kilos> superfly  after going right through the bzr thing can one start over. mine doesnt work
[19:44] <superfly> Maaz: it doesn't work
[19:44] <Maaz> Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:44] <Kilos> it doesnt open a webpage man
[19:44] <Kilos> but it gave a site addy
[19:45] <Kilos> something like this
[19:45] <Kilos> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/`_
[19:46] <Kilos> then i tried more bzr and more nikola, now totally lost
[19:46] <Kilos> you read what david said im the greeter bot
[19:51] <Kilos> haha it wants more money
[19:54] <inetpro> Kilos: give us a Screenshot
[19:54] <Kilos> of which workspace
[19:54] <Kilos> i have konsoles and browsers
[19:54] <inetpro> of it
[19:55] <Kilos> man it is all over
[19:55] <Kilos> one terminal has nikola running
[19:55] <Kilos> another has bzr stuff
[19:55] <inetpro> Maaz: it
[19:55] <Maaz> inetpro: it is Saturday
[19:55] <Kilos> lol
[19:57] <Kilos> you so cheeky
[19:59] <Kilos> go sleep inetpro
[19:59] <superfly> Kilos: I see nothing wrong with nikola's output
[19:59] <Kilos> oh my where did you see that?
 but it gave a site addy
 something like this
 http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/
[20:01] <Kilos> ya but , isnt that suppose to open something or must i point it to the local goody
[20:01] <Kilos> that i dont know how to do you had lotsa studd on yours before the http://bit
[20:01] <Kilos> stuff
[20:04] <inetpro> the secret is to keep your hand relaxed on the mouse as you move it to the link above and then press the left button
[20:05] <Kilos> hahaha il try that
[20:05] <superfly> Kilos: read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_locator
[20:05] <Kilos> ok
[20:05] <superfly> Kilos: then read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localhost
[20:05] <Kilos> ai!
[20:05] <Kilos> ai!
[20:07] <stickyboy> GPL FTW
[20:07] <stickyboy> Let's get tattoos.
[20:07] <superfly> good night everyone
[20:07] <superfly> stickyboy: no thanks, I don't do tattoos.
[20:07] <Kilos> night superfly  sleep tight
[20:07] <Kilos> ty
[20:08] <inetpro> good night superfly
[20:08] <Kilos> drawings and paintings belong on paper walls and canvasses not on ones body
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: does it make sense, can you open the link in your browser?
[20:09] <Kilos> the first time i saw a google page with why that link didnt work for peeps
[20:09] <Kilos> last time said error 404 i think
[20:10] <Kilos> oh now i see other stuffs
[20:10] <inetpro> ai!
[20:11] <inetpro> how difficult was that?
[20:11] <Kilos> was easy
[20:11] <Kilos> but why did it work now
[20:12] <inetpro> you please tell me
[20:14] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/site3-exngxmyy.png
[20:14] <Kilos> i have no idea except that i did it gently this time
[20:14] <Kilos> lol
[20:14] <Kilos> you did something
[20:14]  * Kilos getting excited now
[20:15] <inetpro> ai!
[20:15] <Kilos> im sure everything is gonna be upside down or something
[20:15] <Kilos> what ai!
[20:15] <Kilos> does it look wrong
[20:22] <Kilos> so before i get deeper into this local host thing, how do i make the http an https
[20:27] <Kilos> oh wow must i nano /var/www/html/index.html
[20:28] <Kilos> and replace the whole file with what is shown in the browser if you open local host
[20:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you are clearly missing the point
[20:28] <Kilos> as always
[20:30] <Kilos> dont you have to configure anything?
[20:37] <inetpro> point 1. clearly your site is broken
[20:37] <inetpro> Kilos ^^
[20:38] <Kilos> ai!
[20:38] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[20:39] <Kilos> maybe it needs to be pushed or pulled or merged or something
[20:40] <inetpro> no
[20:40] <Kilos> this is beyond me man
[20:40] <Kilos> no what?
[20:40] <Kilos> grrr
[20:40] <inetpro> try again
[20:40] <Kilos> try what?
[20:41] <Kilos> start from scratch?
[20:41] <Kilos> delete all existing stuff first?
[20:41] <inetpro> yep, but this time, try to understand
[20:41] <Kilos> lol im gonna hit you
[20:41] <inetpro> you need to understand every step of the tutorial
[20:42] <Kilos> ai! my goosie
[20:42] <Kilos> thats like asking you to overhaul an automatics cars gearbox
[20:43] <inetpro> no
[20:43] <Kilos> i will start again but dont know how to delete whats not in my pc
[20:44] <inetpro> forget about that for now
[20:44] <Kilos> you must use this force them to think for themselves with normal geeks man
[20:44] <Kilos> you need to go sleep my friend
[20:45] <inetpro> and don't do the push parts or any editing before having nikola up with the current site look and feel on your local host
[20:46] <Kilos> ill try
[20:49] <inetpro> Kilos: skip " Branching, Pushing, Proposing and Merging"
[20:50] <Kilos> how far do i go with nikola before starting with bzr
[20:51] <Kilos> wb SDCDev
[20:51] <inetpro> no, you start with bzr
[20:51] <Kilos> oh
[20:52] <Kilos> see nowhere was that info
[20:52] <Kilos> i think
[20:52] <inetpro> ai!
[20:53] <SDCDev> ty Kilos :)
[20:55] <inetpro> Kilos: did you not read my email?
[20:56] <Kilos> nope
[20:56] <inetpro> See the getting involved page under the Web Site heading about how to;
[20:56] <Kilos> got no mail from you
[20:57] <inetpro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2015-February/011524.html
[20:57] <Kilos> ty
[21:00] <Kilos> oh ya thats the tutorial i have been using
[21:02] <Kilos> but maybe starting with nikola was the prob cause
[21:03] <Kilos> one last thing please
[21:03] <Kilos>  mkdir ~/Projects
[21:04] <Kilos> i have made that . what is the remove command for up there in the sky
[21:04] <Kilos> rm?
[21:04] <Kilos> thats where all the wrong stuff is now
[21:05] <Kilos> also i need to put in ubuntu-africa where the tutorial uses ubuntu-za right?
[21:07] <inetpro> forget about Africa
[21:07] <inetpro> for now at least
[21:07] <Kilos> oh
[21:07] <inetpro> man rm
[21:08] <Kilos> oh so i must first get ubuntu-za working here
[21:08] <inetpro> superfly will most likely initiate the Africa project for you separately
[21:08] <Kilos> im sure you are trying to drive me to an early grave
[21:09] <Kilos> he hasnt got time mine thats why im trying to do it
[21:09] <Kilos> s/mine/man
[21:09] <inetpro> you can not run if you have not learned how to walk
[21:10] <Kilos> ai!
[21:12] <Kilos> go sleep man, you must work just now
[21:12] <Kilos> ty for the help my goosie
[21:12] <inetpro> Kilos: the Nairobi guys are essentially doing exactly the same as we do, with two differences
[21:12] <Kilos> yes?
[21:13] <inetpro> 1. they are using git in stead of bzr
[21:13] <inetpro> 2. they are using something else in stead of nikola
[21:13] <Kilos> ah
[21:13] <Kilos> ill follow the fly
[21:13] <inetpro> but it is based on the same principle
[21:14] <inetpro> the code for the site is hosted online with a DVCS
[21:15] <Kilos> ok
[21:15] <inetpro> anyone can download, hack and push his or her own branch for review
[21:16] <Kilos> thats where the security comes in right
[21:16] <Kilos> no review and accept means no change
[21:17] <inetpro> the guy hosting the site can look at somebody's submission and decide to merge it into the main branch
[21:17] <inetpro> before taking the code and generating static content with nikola
[21:18] <Kilos> aha
[21:18] <inetpro> and finally uploading changes to the production Web server
[21:19] <inetpro> does it make sense now?
[21:19] <Kilos> yes
[21:20] <Kilos> ty sir
[21:20] <Kilos> sir goosie
[21:21] <Kilos> hi spinza_  you up late
[21:22] <Kilos> oh part joins
[21:22] <Kilos> ai!
[21:22] <inetpro> Kilos: the major point in all this is that this whole cycle of development is exactly how most open source software is built these days
[21:23] <Kilos> yeah its good for those that understand it
[21:23] <Kilos> major work though
[21:23] <Kilos> for me anyway
[21:23] <inetpro> in other words, if you get to understand this cycle then you can get involved in any other development
[21:23] <Kilos> oh my
[21:24] <Kilos> one site will be plenty for me
[21:24] <Kilos> then i retire and become a lurker
[21:30] <Kilos> i cant skip all that you said then i cant update
[21:30] <Kilos> no new page made yet i think
[21:31] <inetpro> the first bzr will download the latest version of the code
[21:31] <inetpro> that is how the site looks like now
[21:31] <Kilos> ok so i skip them things and then?
[21:32] <inetpro> read the readme
[21:32] <Kilos> ai!
[21:33] <inetpro> for those who are interested in how the Nairobi site is built, look at: https://github.com/nairobilug/nairobilug.or.ke/blob/master/README.md
[21:33]  * Kilos goes hunting for a readme
[21:36] <Kilos> ok where did you hide it
[21:37] <inetpro> pwd
[21:38] <inetpro> and please, that does not mean, give me your password
[21:38] <Kilos> lol
[21:38] <inetpro> :-)
[21:38] <Kilos> man pwd again'
[21:38] <Kilos> sigh
[21:40] <inetpro> remember, I can not see your screen, you have to enlighten me
[21:40] <Kilos> pwd did mothing i can see
[21:41] <Kilos> you mean that?
[21:41] <inetpro> ai!
[21:41] <Kilos>   /home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-za
[21:41] <inetpro> ahh
[21:41] <Kilos> i forgot the space
[21:42] <inetpro> no space needed
[21:42] <Kilos> [Error] home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-za: Unknown command.
[21:42] <inetpro> uh!
[21:42] <Kilos> cant start here with /
[21:43] <Kilos> need space first
[21:43]  * inetpro is loosing him
[21:43] <Kilos> oh my
[21:44] <Kilos> pwd gave home/miles/Projects/ubuntu-za
[21:44] <inetpro> ah, ek verstaan nou
[21:44] <Kilos> if i paste that here it gives error
[21:44] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel
[21:44] <inetpro> obviously
[21:45] <Kilos> why did you want pwd?
[21:45] <inetpro> don't you use dolphin to explore files and folders?
[21:45] <Kilos> yes
[21:46] <inetpro> now go find the readme
[21:46] <Kilos> the folder ubuntu-za is in home
[21:46] <Kilos> oh
[21:46] <inetpro> the point is, you need to always know where you are
[21:46] <inetpro> it's important
[21:47] <Kilos> ok ty
[21:47] <Kilos> oooo wow got readme ty
[21:47] <inetpro> ai!
[21:48] <inetpro> I could have told you, it's in the trunk folder
[21:48] <Kilos> do i have to run nikola in same poplace?
[21:49] <Kilos> here miles@P64:~/Projects/ubuntu-za$
[21:49] <Kilos> place
[21:49] <inetpro> when nikola is installed you will have to be in the trunk folder to build and serve
[21:50] <Kilos> nikola was installed when fly started the whole thing with you
[21:50] <inetpro> ai tog
[21:50] <Kilos> so now i cd to miles@P64:~/Projects/ubuntu-za/trunk
[21:51] <Kilos> ai!
[21:52] <Kilos> ok im there lemme go on ty
[21:52] <inetpro> read, understand and apply your mind
[21:53] <Kilos> lots of errors
[21:53] <inetpro> obviously
[21:53] <Kilos> with nikola build
[21:54] <Kilos> ai!
[21:54] <inetpro> you still believe in magic after all this time?
[21:55] <Kilos> lol
[21:55] <Kilos> what did i do wrong?
[21:55] <Kilos> it copy lots before the errors started
[21:56] <Kilos> copied
[21:56] <Kilos> hey you must sleep man
[21:56] <inetpro> read, understand, apply your mind and follow instructions carefully
[21:56] <Kilos> its so hard when your chillens dont listen
[21:57] <Kilos> ok ill keep trying you go sleep
[21:57] <Kilos> just now you fall asleep on the bike
[21:57] <Kilos> then who do i say fix it to
[21:58] <inetpro> good night
[21:58] <Kilos> night boetie
[21:59] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:59] <Kilos> ty


 Hey guys
 how to reset lxqt desktop settings in lubuntu?
[19:13] <kc2bez> @lan219 that is a support question, this is the development channel.
[19:13] <kc2bez> !support | @lan219


[00:48] <VidjaJames> hello
[00:50] <VidjaJames> I was thinking about getting a Nexus 7 and using that to put Ubuntu Touch on it. Should I wait for a better device to come out or is the Nexus 7 a solid choice?
[03:51] <OERIAS> Do you think Canonical will allow Ubuntu apps run in Android, much in a way how apps for FireFox OS run in Android?
[03:55] <OERIAS> Hallo???
[04:08] <WebVisitor-0> .
[05:04] <BJ_> don't know what i'm doing wrong, but i downloaded ubuntu 14.04, now i can't seem to create a bootable disk.  what am i doing wrong?
[05:06] <OERIAS> With what?
[05:06] <OERIAS> DVD or Flash?
[08:41] <duko> I've been using touch for about 6 months
[08:42] <duko> today everything goes wrong when I use the touch screen
[08:42] <duko> things I want to open do not open
[08:42] <duko> things I do not want to open start opening and activating
[08:43] <duko> does anyone know -is there something wrong with my phone or is this a known issue that can happen with ubuntu touch?
[08:43] <duko> is there a recovery installation that may be done?
[20:43] <ajbrandt1> just installed UT on my Nexus 4. Got the spinning Ubuntu logo now. About how long does it take to boot up?
[21:47] <jgdx> ajbrandt1, takes a while the first time.
[22:51] <jonreeve> Help! Installing Ubuntu Dual Boot won't let me upgrade my Android system. I get a message saying "Error" and a picture of a dead android!
[22:53] <jonreeve> The page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation says to use the "Prepare for Android update" option, but there doesn't appear to be any such option.
[23:30] <jonreeve> Is anyone here?
[23:31] <Beldar> 224 people
[23:31] <jonreeve> Could someone point me in the right direction concerning my question from earlier?
[23:32] <jonreeve> I'm having a hard time resetting my android device to its original state, and the help docs don't seem to apply in my case.
[23:32] <Beldar> jonreeve, reload the android OS?
[23:33] <jonreeve> Beldar: I tried restoring it from the restore partition, but the Ubuntu Dual Boot app is still there, and it still gives the same error when I try to upgrade Android.
[23:33] <Beldar> jonreeve, What is your device?
[23:33] <jonreeve> So effectively all it did was erase my data. Device still appears to be rooted, with SuperUser still in Apps.
[23:33] <jonreeve> It's a Nexus 4.
[23:35] <Beldar> jonreeve, That dualboot is part of the boot still when even removed is all, I had a similar issue with my nexus 7, however after a few days the update worked by going gto the recovery correctly and loading it.
[23:36] <jonreeve> Beldar, how do I do that?
[23:37] <Beldar> jonreeve, You might ask in #android-root it is a google play app, not really a ubuntu-touch issue is all


[07:23] <maxyz> ari-tczew pinged me privately in oftc, but is no longer connected there, who should I reply to?
[07:54] <sitter> maxyz: he doesn't coordinate with us AFAIK so, best send an email I suppose
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:01] <maxyz> It was about some gcc5 changes needed for kf5. Well, nevermind, please let me know if you need to bump a lib to v5.
[08:32] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: I need your help
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> I've talked with apol and he said that we need KDevelop in the Kubuntu CI
[08:33] <ovidiu-florin> how can I get it in there?
[08:38] <sitter> kdevelop needs a kf5 port that has a release planned for <= 6months in the future. then kdevelop and its dependencies on http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/?q=pkg-kde need to have a kubuntu_unstable branch added. those branches then also need porting to kf5. then kdevelop and its deps need to be added to http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/projects.json for integration. then someone needs to tell me to sync the CI jobs
[08:39] <sitter> assuming their repository name on debian is not what their repository name on kde is someone also first needs to write manual mapping mapping rules in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/upstream-scm.yml before I can sync
[08:39] <sitter> or rather, I could sync but the builds will fail since they can't find their upstream source ^^
[08:42] <ovidiu-florin> so we can't  get a CI with master?
[08:43] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: where did I say that? :P
[08:44] <ovidiu-florin> so we can?
[08:44] <sitter> assuming a release is planned in due time sure
[08:44] <snele> guys 14.04.3 is labeled as "beta" in startup disk creator: http://www.dodaj.rs/?a/XA/3wsiwEEC/snapshot21.png
[08:44] <ovidiu-florin> I'm working on the Plasma Mobile SDK. I'm not sure I understud the whole process, but my current task is to get KDevelop Maste into the CI so we can make a docker image based on that
[08:45] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: same process applies minuse the 6months rule
[08:45] <sitter> has a different file for the projects list though http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/data/projects_mci.json
[08:47] <lordievader> snele: I wonder where startup disk creator gets it's labeling from...
[08:47] <lordievader> Perhaps some mirror is slightly behind?
[08:49] <snele> lordievader: it is latest 5th August http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04.3/release/
[08:50] <lordievader> Hmm, since there were no respins that should be the released image.
[08:55] <sitter> Riddell: are we throwing kwallet-pam backport at backports ppa?
[08:55] <sitter> going to add the pam automatic magic, after that we probably could do a quick backport
[09:00] <Riddell> sitter: I'll package it for wily and then maybe a useful person like sgclark will backport it
[09:04] <sitter> Riddell: needs the pams first though :P
[09:04] <Riddell> yep
[09:05]  * sitter crosses fingers for CI QA to pass
[09:05] <sitter> btw
[09:05] <sitter> since shadeslayer mentioned it
[09:05] <sitter> the binary naming standard apparently is libpam-foo
[09:05] <sitter> not pam-foo
[09:05] <sitter> just a FYI
[09:06] <sitter> and on another note. I  am now wondering why we didn't move the pam into kwallet source itself :P
[09:06] <sitter> seems odd to have it in plasma only
[09:20] <clivejo> Riddell: I attempted kamoso last night, its in my PPA
[09:20] <clivejo> the naming convections are still causing me grief
[10:39] <Riddell> mparillo, lordievader: all good on the 14.04.3 announce?
[10:39] <lordievader> The 64bit was fine IMO.
[10:41] <Riddell> lovely
[10:44] <lordievader> Do you know why it needed more than 1g memory?
[10:44] <lordievader> Was it the live session in the background eating too much ram?
[10:44] <Riddell> that I've no idea alas
[10:44] <Riddell> maybe we need to disable something
[10:45] <lordievader> Must say I haven't checked if it works when you go straight to installation.
[10:50] <mparillo> Riddell: Too late now, but I did test 32 bit live session, full install, and full encrypted install with no obvious breakage. Only the usual that after clicking the restart button at the end of installation I had to force powerdown my VM
[10:51] <lordievader> I think I had to do that too.
[10:53] <Riddell> mm, most annoying that
[10:55] <santa_> morning sitter. have you seen my mail about symbols files in kubuntu_wily_archive?
[10:56] <sitter> santa_: haven't gotten to it yet, sorry
[10:57] <santa_> k
[11:21] <ovidiu-florin> what's the name of that audio software that we used for meeting?
[11:22] <sitter> mumble
[11:22] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[11:24] <sitter> Riddell: are you preping 5.4 uploads or are you on other stuff?
[11:24] <Riddell> sitter: I plan to get on plasma 5.4 shortly
[11:24] <sitter> ping if you get to it before me please
[11:25] <sitter> needs branches sorted out
[11:34] <Riddell> sitter: just needs kubutu_stable merged in no?
[11:34] <sitter> no
[11:34] <sitter> unstable -> stable first
[11:35] <sitter> and then the stable -> archive merge
[11:36] <santa_> sitter: before that, could we switch the kci to gcc 5? otherwise this is going to be a mess, I'm afraid...
[11:36] <sitter> santa_: isn't it?
[11:36] <sitter> gcc5 still stuck in proposed?
[11:37] <santa_> hmm, I cecked the last kconfig build yesterday and is using gcc 4
[11:37] <sitter> that would at least explain the symbol divergence
[11:37] <sitter> which means I broke stuff xD
[11:37] <Riddell> sitter: ok shall I merge those now?
[11:37] <sitter> I suppose that's the mail about?
[11:37] <sitter> Riddell: go ahead
[11:37] <sitter> Riddell: just make sure... these are two merge runs
[11:38] <santa_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-5
[11:38] <santa_> ↑ yep, still in proposed
[11:38] <Riddell> sitter: do I need to turn off kci?
[11:38] <sitter> blergh
[11:38] <sitter> Riddell: disabled it is already
[11:39] <santa_> sitter: yeah, my mail is about that, I was guessing that you needed to dist-upgrade the chroot used to build the packages in the kci
[11:39] <sitter> santa_: this makes the situation somewhat unfortunate. depending on proposed means all users would need to enable proposed as well
[11:40] <santa_> we can figure it out without depending on proposed
[11:41]  * sitter hits nexts in ubiquity and reads mail
[11:43] <santa_> sitter: this is not in the mail: I can do the following: keep sending patches for symbols files like I have been doing (these symbols files will be compatible with gcc 4 AND gcc 5 .i.e. we don't depend on proposed), once the kci is switched on with gcc 5 there shoudln't be any problem, but if there is, I will be glad to help
[11:44] <doko> Riddell, hope you can install most of kde again. how's the update going?
[11:44] <santa_> does it make sense to you?
[11:44] <sitter> santa_: KCI takes offense with MISSING but passing symbols
[11:45] <santa_> sitter: "MISSING but passing" ~ "optional symbols gone" ?
[11:45] <sitter> yes
[11:45] <santa_> oh, damn
[11:46] <sitter> there are only three options I can think of 1. we disable symbol tracking for now (which could be simply ignoring MISSING symbols in passing builds) meaning we won't track ABI until gcc5 lands 2. we make KCI use proposed (which from an integration POV is the best option) but that needs users to enable proposed AND since we use wily for plasma 5.4 testing now that can impact testing results there 3. we pull up a second CI chain that ignores symbols
[11:46] <sitter> and delivers for plasma testing (likely requires some engineering effort first)
[11:47] <santa_> I think I would vote for 1
[11:47] <sitter> yeah, it's probably the least annoying of the options
[11:48] <santa_> I will be very glad to help with this option, also note that I have some partial work for kde apps / gcc 5
[11:49] <sitter> yeah, I essentialy reverted part of that :P
[11:49]  * sitter was under the impression that gcc had landed already for some reason
[11:51] <santa_> sitter: another issue: think about this post-"gcc 5 landed in wily" situation: we get a new symbol in gcc 5, it's noise/optional and won't show up in gcc 4, however it's added as a non-optional symbol by the kci
[11:52] <Riddell> sitter: I'll move kgamma to kgamma5 in debian git
[11:52] <sitter> santa_: do we still need to support gcc4 though?
[11:52] <santa_> sitter:  ... and if it's marked as optional confuses the kci -> how do we deal with backports?
[11:53] <sitter> oh, KCI only tracks symbols on latest_series
[11:53] <sitter> I suggested the backport scripts should do the same
[11:53] <santa_> ok
[11:53] <sitter> there's not much value derived from it given the effort involved to make the symbol tables work for backport versions
[11:54] <santa_> so, no need to support gcc 4 in any futher symbols patching?
[11:55] <santa_> * so, no need to support gcc 4 in any futher symbols patching targeted to kubuntu_wily_archive?
[11:57] <sitter> *nod*
[11:58] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/commit/?id=86e9ba69eb46fd57f00510adf8a05cab93689f26
[11:59] <sitter> Riddell: I still don't get why you can't use an epoch
[11:59] <Riddell> sitter: on kgamma?
[11:59] <Riddell> sitter: it's an upstream issue, upstream versions have no epoch
[12:00] <sitter> ah
[12:00] <sitter> I see
[12:01] <sitter> personally I don't see this as an upstream issue TBH
[12:01] <sitter> for a lib it would be an upstream issue. but random tarball versions mean nothing *shrug*
[12:12] <santa_> sitter: hmm, sorry about the brain fart, but now that I think about it: we need to support gcc 4 if we don't want to depend on proposed
[12:14] <sitter> ah yeah, otherwise pkg-kde explodes xD
[12:14] <Riddell> clivejo: could you update your purpose package too? http://download.kde.org/unstable/purpose/ then I'll get those into the ubuntu archive
[12:14] <sitter> santa_: I can actually bypass that as well
[12:15] <Riddell> ahoneybun: there's no frameworks port of kget so there's no need to package that manually, it's just stuff with frameworks ports that need updates https://community.kde.org/Applications/15.04_Release_Notes
[12:16] <santa_> sitter: bypass what exactly?
[12:16] <sitter> santa_: simply drop the symbols files altogether
[12:16] <sitter> if there are no symbols files the build cannot fail on them
[12:16] <sitter> which is in fact what we do for vivid CI anyway
[12:17] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/commit/?id=ad287d3e20d62c6a52e373b3b6f702015cc0e19b
[12:17] <clivejo> Riddell: are you about these evening
[12:17] <Riddell> clivejo: probably not
[12:19] <santa_> sitter: while I'm not very familiar with the kci stuff, I think I get the idea
[12:21] <santa_> Riddell, sitter: so now that the symbols handling is sorted out, what's the plan about the new upcoming versions?
[12:22] <santa_> (of frameworks, applications, plasma)
[12:22] <santa_> should I finish my 15.04.3/kubuntu_wily_archive apps patches for gcc 5?
[12:24] <sitter> no clue what Riddell's plan there was. I understand KF5 was partially uploaded to proposed though
[12:24] <sitter> Riddell: did you run the merging yet?
[12:30] <clivejo> Riddell: what version is akonadi,IRC channel says "Stable: 1.13, master is KF5", download KDE.org says "15.07.90" and the archive has 1.13.0-2ubuntu4 !?
[12:31] <clivejo> also is kamoso version correct?
[12:31] <clivejo> 3.0.0+rc1?
[12:32] <clivejo> LP kept rejecting it on me
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:42] <Riddell> sitter: not yet merged no
[12:44] <Riddell> clivejo: akonadi is 15.07.90 http://download.kde.org/unstable/applications/15.07.90/src/
[12:45] <Riddell> clivejo: kamoso should be 3.0.0~rc1, else 3.0.0 will be smaller than current
[12:56]  * Riddell merges plasma
[13:01] <ahoneybun> Riddell: please leave me and clivejo some list of packages that are ported to kf5
[13:06] <sitter> Riddell: baloo needs stable branch removed
[13:06] <sitter> and kfilemetadata
[13:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun: https://community.kde.org/Applications/15.04_Release_Notes
[13:07] <sitter> ahoneybun: https://community.kde.org/Applications/15.08_Release_Notes
[13:07] <ahoneybun> which list is it?
[13:07] <sitter> all tagged [new]
[13:07] <Riddell> yes, what sitter said
[13:07] <sitter> also see kubuntu-devel mail from like 1 month ago or so pertaining to apps packaging
[13:07] <sitter> there is a shortlist of what needs doing to port to kf5
[13:08] <ahoneybun> sitter: that mail made very little sense
[13:08] <sitter> entirely possible :P
[13:08] <ahoneybun> so everything with [new] needs packaging?
[13:08] <sitter> I tend to work in spheres puny humans have problems comprehending :P
[13:08] <sitter> ahoneybun: except for dragon
[13:09] <sitter> ahoneybun: in general a good rule of thumb is to check if the repo has a kubuntu_unstable branch
[13:09] <sitter> if not then it needs porting, if it has one then it likely doesn't as that means it is in CI
[13:10] <ahoneybun> sitter: ark: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ark.git/
[13:10] <ahoneybun> ?
[13:11] <sitter> ahoneybun: what's your question?
[13:11] <ahoneybun> does that need packaging>
[13:11] <ahoneybun> I see no kubuntu_unstable
[13:11] <sitter> yes, it needs porting
[13:11] <Riddell> sitter: those kubuntu_stable branches seem to be already gone
[13:11] <sitter> Riddell: my clone just disagreed
[13:12] <sitter> ahoneybun: yes, it has no kubuntu_unstable because it is new, so it needs porting from scratch
[13:12] <sitter> so you'd start with kubuntu_wily_archive
[13:12] <sitter> branch it into kubuntu_unstable and then start porting away
[13:12] <ahoneybun> how do I do that?
[13:12] <Riddell> sitter: tell clone sitter to get a grip https://paste.kde.org/pear8vydf
[13:12] <ahoneybun> commands
[13:12] <sitter> I could tell you how I do it usually but I fear that might confuse you :/
[13:13] <sitter> git co kubuntu_wily_archive
[13:13] <sitter> git co -b kubuntu_unstable
[13:13] <sitter> then clone upstream repo
[13:13] <sitter> then ln -s ark/debian into the upstream repo
[13:13] <sitter> then dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -jauto -b until green :P
[13:13] <sitter> also I read CMakeLists.txt to get the build dependencies
[13:13] <sitter> ahoneybun: really, Riddell might be more help with this
[13:14] <ahoneybun> ln -s?
[13:14] <Riddell> sitter: I'll package frameworks first because plasma presumably wants the new baloo
[13:14] <sitter> ahoneybun: symbolic link
[13:14] <sitter> ahoneybun: it's essentially cheating my way to a source package that is no source package
[13:14] <sitter> as I said, more confusing than helpful
[13:14] <ahoneybun> perhaps
[13:16] <sitter> Riddell: and baloo?
[13:16] <sitter> ah
[13:16] <sitter> Riddell: in plasma
[13:16] <Riddell> sitter: is now part of frameworks
[13:16] <sitter> not frameworks
[13:17] <Riddell> sitter: ?
[13:17] <sitter> nevermind, I'll do it myself
[13:18] <sitter> the merger tool actually has a beauty flaw
[13:18] <sitter> it'd create stable branches in repos we don't use anymore
[13:19]  * sitter scratches head
[13:19] <ahoneybun> Riddell: kdelibs5-dev is old right?
[13:20] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yep, remove that if it's for a frameworks port
[13:20] <Riddell> that's kdelibs4 despite the number in it
[13:20] <ahoneybun> I'm working on ark
[13:20] <ahoneybun> in the ec2 still
[13:23] <Riddell> ahoneybun: :)
[13:24] <ahoneybun> I''m guessinig your in there too?
[13:24] <Riddell> not currently
[13:25] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[13:25] <ahoneybun> thought you were watching me lol
[13:25] <Riddell> I'm not, but you never know when I am!
[13:26] <ahoneybun> true....
[13:26] <ahoneybun> lol
[13:27] <ahoneybun> is this really needed libkonq5-dev ?
[13:27] <ahoneybun> Konqueror libraries
[13:29] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that's kdelibs4 stuff too
[13:29] <ahoneybun> thought so
[13:29] <Riddell> probably needed for some preview in the old version but drop it for the port
[13:29] <ahoneybun> drop it
[13:30] <ahoneybun> ?
[13:30] <Riddell> yep
[13:30] <ahoneybun> k
[13:32] <ahoneybun> yay patchs
[13:32] <ahoneybun> *patches
[13:43] <sitter> Riddell: have you pushed the merge yet?
[13:44] <sgclark> ScottK: I am in VA next week Wed-Sun if you are around.
[13:45] <ScottK> Interesting.  Quite possibly.
[13:45] <ScottK> Need to survive this week/weekend before I have mental bandwidth to think about it though.
[13:45] <sgclark> We are renting a car, so getting to you won't be an issue
[13:45] <sgclark> no worries
[13:50] <Riddell> sitter: yes
[13:50] <Riddell> sitter: I'm now packaging frameworks
[13:54] <sitter> mh
[13:54] <sitter> Riddell: can you paste me your merge command
[13:54] <sitter> there is something very fishy going on
[13:55] <Riddell> sitter: um   git checkout kubuntu_stable; git merge kubuntu_unstable; git checkout kubuntu_wily_archive; git merge kubuntu_stable
[13:56] <sitter> Oo
[13:56] <sitter> Riddell: repo-merge?
[14:01] <Riddell> sitter: what's the difference?
[14:02] <sgclark> repo-merge is easier
[14:02] <sitter> it's also workign on clean clones
[14:02] <sitter> but if we consider tools pointless I can also just stop writing them
[14:02] <sgclark> please don't O.o
[14:34] <Riddell> hmm, lots of missing https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213854859/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.attica-kf5_5.13.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:39] <Riddell> santa_: know anything about this failure? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213854859/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.attica-kf5_5.13.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:40] <sitter> Riddell: baloo merge broken
[14:40] <Riddell> sitter: kubuntu-ci is silent on the subject, what's up?
[14:40] <santa_> Riddell: yeah, I forget to include the patch in the patchset for 5.12/gcc 5, see kubuntu-devel
[14:40] <sitter> doesn't know who broke it
[14:41] <santa_> Riddell: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kubuntu_patches/frameworks-5.12/attica-kf5/0001-Update-symbols.patch
[14:41] <santa_> this should do part of the job
[14:42] <Riddell> sitter: merge pushed
[14:46] <Riddell> santa_: applied thanks :)
[14:47] <santa_> doko: thank you for the openbabel update, I have just found out that libkface (from kde apps) is still ftbfs'ing this time because of opencv (which will need a transition in debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791226)
[14:49] <santa_> part of the build log: https://paste.kde.org/pmpewa1p3
[15:20] <santa_> Riddell: for kdesu would be nice to either merge from kubuntu_unstable or cherry-pick my patch to make the debian/rules working fine on any distro
[15:21] <santa_> Riddell: I mean this commit http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-kde/frameworks/kdesu.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd63db8
[15:21] <santa_> I have checked kubuntu_wily_archive and still doesn't have the patch
[15:22] <mparillo_> Will kdesu replace kdesudo?
[15:27] <sitter> santa_, Riddell: surely that kdesu commit is merged in wily_archive?
[15:27] <sitter> oh wait, we are uploading 5.12
[15:27] <sitter> santa_: probably can just wait for 5.13
[15:27] <sitter> seeing as we are one month behind by the time 5.12 is in 5.13 will be out :P
[15:30] <Riddell> 5.13 is building now https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-frameworks
[15:31] <sitter> Riddell: you merged frameworks, right?
[15:32] <dobey> hi. is anyone working on getting the kubuntu packages in wily updated for the gcc5 transition?
[15:32] <Riddell> santa_: cherry-picked thanks
[15:32] <Riddell> sitter: hmm it should have happened in the staging script let me check
[15:32] <sitter> if you had to cherry pick it wasn't
[15:32] <Riddell> dobey: yes we are, slowed down by lots of stuff also being ported to frameworks
[15:32] <sitter> that commit is like 3 weeks ago
[15:33] <Riddell> sitter: fooey :(
[15:33] <sitter> s/ago/old
[15:33] <sitter> Riddell: don't forget to resume CI before you leave
[15:33]  * sitter heads out
[15:33] <Riddell> gotcha
[15:33] <dobey> Riddell: ah ok.
[15:33] <Riddell> dobey: what's the issue?
[15:34] <dobey> Riddell: well i'm just seeing that the majority of remaining failures are kde things, some of which just need simple no-change rebuilds. i don't have upload permissions, so i can't fix any myself directly, so i'm just poking to see if i can get someone to fix them
[15:35] <Riddell> I'm currently doing frameworks and expect to do plasma and applications after
[15:35] <dobey> the packages that have libs though, need lib renames for the changed abi from gcc5
[15:35] <Riddell> dobey: got an example to see if it's in that lot of not?
[15:36] <dobey> Riddell: well, the "step" package just needs a simple no-change rebuild
[15:37] <dobey> "cantor" also seems to just need a no-change rebuild
[15:41] <Riddell> dobey: aye they're all in applications, I'll get to them toot sweet next week
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Riddell:  plasma 5?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 5,4
[15:49] <Riddell> BluesKaj: is next on my list to package
[15:49] <BluesKaj> good to hear Riddell :-)
[16:03] <Riddell> add http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.13.0_wily.html kf5 5.13
[16:05] <clivejo> Riddell: ready for testing yet?
[16:06] <Riddell> clivejo: frameworks? goodness no lots to build still
[16:06]  * clivejo shakes head
[16:10] <clivejo> Riddell: is the name I used for Kamoso in my PPA ok?  3.0.0+rc1-1ubuntu1 ?
[16:10] <Riddell> clivejo: should be 3.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1
[16:11] <Riddell> ~ means less so the final 3.0.0 will be a larger number, and -0 because it's not in debian yet
[16:18] <clivejo> ok so purpose has jumped from 0.1 to 1.0 ?
[16:27] <santa_> Riddell: I have detected a general problem in frameworks 5.13, e-c-m build depend was not bumped to 5.13
[16:28] <santa_> Riddell: if you don't have a quick way to fix it, I have an script to fix this quickly for all frameworks packages
[16:29] <clivejo> Riddell: If you have few minutes would you help me with these Lintan messaqes https://paste.kde.org/p8sb8k8vt
[16:29] <Riddell> mm yes it's missing from dev-package-name-lists/frameworks-wily, I'll just add it in thanks
[16:30] <Riddell> clivejo: you shouldn't need to build-dep on qt5-default so just remove that
[16:30] <Riddell> clivejo: libkf5purpose5 probably needs multi-arch: same
[16:31] <Riddell> clivejo: and symbols files need updated which is faffy and is described at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html "pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 1.8 buildlog" probably easiest
[16:35] <clivejo> oh good lord
[16:45] <clivejo> wont build at all now - dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/purpose_1.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2.diff.WC8miU
[16:49] <clivejo> gives up
[16:53] <Riddell> clivejo: look in that file and see what it's moaning about
[16:54] <Riddell> maybe you downloaded a log file into the source and it wants it removed
[16:56] <santa_> Riddell: hmm, so are you going to push to git anything to bump to e-c-m to 5.13?
[16:57] <santa_> s/to e-c-m/e-c-m/
[16:59] <Riddell> pushing...
[17:01] <Riddell> santa_: pushed
[17:05] <santa_> Riddell: thanks, re-scheduling build for my ppa simulation...
[17:09] <Riddell> plasma up http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.3.95_wily.html
[17:34] <santa_> Riddell: may I send you my w-i-p set of patches for apps before it's too late? it doesn't cover the full set of apps ftbfs'es with gcc 5 but would be a nice thing to have in kubuntu_wily_archive before we start with apps 15.08
[17:51] <ScottK> santa_: Perhaps you could take a look at this one:
 qt-gstreamer is on the list of packages with symbols changes for g++5, and is hit by the qt4+boost issue.  package has non-trivial reverse-dependencies (both qt4 and qt5 binaries are seeded).  any kubuntuers able to take a look at this?  Riddell, ScottK?
 fwiw if I disable the qt4 build it still ftbfs by failing to find /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gstreamer-1.0/include/gst/gstconfig.h, so there's some failure to properly pkgconfig here as well
[17:52] <ScottK> Or anyone else?
[17:57] <santa_> ScottK: what's the problem exactly? qt4 is ftbfsing in ubuntu because of gstreamer?
[17:58] <santa_> if so I might have an idea about the problem
[17:58] <ScottK> santa_: If you can work on it, have a chat with slangasek for details.
[17:58] <ScottK> All I know is what I pasted.
[18:10] <santa_> ScottK: ack
[18:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:04] <clivejo> anyone about to help me with symbols file?
[21:05] <clivejo> Im trying to update libkf5purpose library from 1.0beta to 1.0rc1
[21:05] <clivejo> lintan is complaining about the symbols file
[21:07] <clivejo> I have what I believe is the diff file - https://paste.kde.org/px3t5ktw9
[21:07] <clivejo> but cant figure out how to actually apply it
[21:10] <clivejo> yofel Riddell anyone?
[21:11] <yofel> first, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[21:12] <yofel> my connection is bad so I'll have to explain that later
[21:14] <yofel> but the diff is weird, the symbols aren't that different..
[21:17] <clivejo> Ive rm *.symbols :/
[21:17] <yofel> bad idea
[21:17] <yofel> we need those files to make sure that the version doesn't stay the same if a symbol gets removed
[21:18] <yofel> so you need to be able to see what gets removed
[21:18] <clivejo> cant even build it
[21:18] <yofel> well, it'll probably fail on missing symbols, right
[21:18] <clivejo> gonna have to start again, this is a proper mess
[21:19] <clivejo> oh its completed
[21:19] <yofel> in that case, we have a problem, but I can talk more about that when I'm home (~30min)
[21:19]  * yofel hits is connection
[21:20] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pyu0zedj5
[21:20] <clivejo> should I start from scatch
[21:41] <clivejo> this makes NO sense!
[21:52] <ahoneybun> watch some netflix or some silly youtube video
[21:53] <clivejo> LOL ahoneybun dont get me started on netflix
[21:53] <ahoneybun> there is a movie called "Rubber"
[21:54] <clivejo> I dont live in the correct country!
[21:54] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:54] <ahoneybun> right
[21:54] <ahoneybun> well the W's are about symbols
[21:54] <ahoneybun> what does lesspipe tell you?
[21:55] <clivejo> there are symbols there, but they must be from the beta build
[21:55] <clivejo> and have changed now in the rc1 buid
[21:55] <clivejo> but I cant figure out how to update them
[21:55] <ahoneybun> small name changes maybe
[21:55] <ahoneybun> oh
[21:55] <ahoneybun> not in debian/rules?
[21:56] <ahoneybun> or something
[21:56] <clivejo> jonathan pointed me to http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[21:57] <clivejo> but dpkg-buildpackage -j4 | tee buildlog fails with  dpkg-source: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/purpose_1.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1.diff.yXAmw_
[21:58] <ahoneybun> I don't even know dpkg-buildpackage yet so
[21:58] <ahoneybun> I just use debuild
[21:59] <clivejo> its complaining about the file buildlog not being in the original source
[21:59] <clivejo> but its a new file!
[21:59] <ahoneybun> I usually just chill till someone gets here
[21:59] <clivejo> oh that gave me an idea
[22:00] <clivejo> what if I put ../buildlog
[22:02] <clivejo> ok that worked
[22:03] <ahoneybun> yay
[22:03] <clivejo> step one complete
[22:04] <clivejo> *beep* *beep* of a *beep*'ing *beep*
[22:05] <clivejo> I hate versions!!
[22:05] <clivejo> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: input symbol file template version (5.9.0+git20150516.0223) is higher than the specified one (1.0)
[22:06] <clivejo> how did it get to 5.9.0?!?
[22:19] <valorie> so awesome to see you two helping one another out
[22:20] <valorie> clivejo: are you a Kubuntu Member?
[22:20] <clivejo> nope
[22:20] <valorie> please apply!
[22:20] <valorie> !membership
[22:20] <clivejo> not sure I want to
[22:20] <valorie> you qualify so Just Do It
[22:21] <valorie> can you tell me why?]
[22:21] <valorie> pm is ok
[22:21] <valorie> if you prefer
[22:21] <clivejo> recent events
[22:22] <valorie> that I understand, and it's been very upsetting for many of us
[22:23] <valorie> however IMO we are the captain of our own ship, if we want to be
[22:24] <clivejo> IMO ubuntu will always be steered by MS/Canonical
[22:25] <clivejo> I moved from Ubuntu to Kubuntu because of Unity and MIR, plus the sending of search info to Amazon
[22:26] <doko> Riddell, not sure about santa's last question. opencv is already transitioned, and it can't be in unstable because of missing transitions in the b-d's. not sure what to do about it
[22:26] <doko> anyway, afk again
[22:27] <clivejo> JR asked questions a lot of us want to know, and look at the way he was treated
[22:27] <clivejo> so Im not sure I want to be a member of that "community"
[22:31] <clivejo> plus when I was trying to help beta testing in Ubuntu and asked questions I felt like something unpleasure found on ones shoe!
[22:31] <clivejo> unpleasant
[22:32] <valorie> sorry, I might have missed something
[22:32] <valorie> my computer ran out of battery without warning me
[22:32] <valorie> very rude of it
[22:32] <valorie> yes, we'll always be steered by Canonical, that is a basic fact of life
[22:33] <valorie> clivejo: very sorry to hear that you were treated badly while beta-testing
[22:33] <valorie> here?
[22:33] <clivejo> no, here have been great!
[22:33] <valorie> or in #ubuntu+1
[22:33] <clivejo> there and the forums
[22:33] <valorie> good that we've treated you well
[22:34] <valorie> oh gosh the forums
[22:34] <valorie> used to be great
[22:34] <valorie> kubuntuforum still is good
[22:34] <clivejo> I got kicked off !
[22:34] <valorie> wow
[22:34] <clivejo> and posts removed
[22:34] <valorie> oh good grief
[22:36] <valorie> in any case, one of the reasons to become a Kubuntu Member is that you can request funding from the Ubuntu Community Fund for travel expenses to meetings and sprints
[22:37] <valorie> there are other perks, but that's the consequential one
[22:39] <clivejo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1927543
[22:39] <clivejo> bear in mind there was bit of history and PM's behind all this
[22:39] <clivejo> but thats the point I decided Im not a Ubuntu Member!
[22:45] <valorie> please don't let one bad apple make your decision for you
[22:45] <clivejo> LOL Im the bad apple
[22:45] <soee> hiho
[22:45] <valorie> that said, if you are still angry, perhaps wait a bit before reconsidering
[22:46] <clivejo> Im not angry
[22:46] <valorie> pfff, you are a valuable new packager
[22:46] <valorie> and we like ya
[22:46] <clivejo> I just realise that Im not compatable
[22:46] <clivejo> with the Ubuntu community
[22:47] <clivejo> if I dont like something I try and change it
[22:48] <valorie> I am rather incompatable with the larger community as well
[22:48] <valorie> I pretty much stay here in Kubuntu
[22:48] <clivejo> well yes, I like it here too
[22:48] <clivejo> I love KDE and plasma 5 etc
[22:49] <clivejo> IMHO ubuntu are taking a massive step backwards with Unity
[22:49] <clivejo> but thats my opinion
[22:50] <clivejo> I might consider kubuntuforum is that totally separate?
[22:52] <clivejo> and I wouldnt say Ive made a substantial contribution, Im trying to learn and making a lot of mistakes!
[22:54] <clivejo> hi soee
[22:54] <clivejo> didnt see you say hiho whilst ranting!
[22:55] <yofel> well, kubuntu membership is a requirement for kubuntu-dev, so you'll need it eventually ;P
[22:56] <clivejo> I have no problem with kubuntu membership
[22:56] <yofel> it includes ubuntu membership
[22:56] <clivejo> its ubuntu I have the problem with !
[22:57] <valorie> clivejo: most of us agree with you on Unity, but since we're a flavor, we can do as we like for the most part
[22:57] <valorie> and yes, kubuntuforum is entirely independent
[22:58] <clivejo> LOL its like dating a siamese twin, cant have one without the other!
[22:58] <soee> and maybe you can be Kubuntu ninja :-)
[22:59] <soee> any news about Plasma 5.4 packages for Wily?
[22:59] <clivejo> Im stuck with libkf5purpose
[22:59]  * soee sees build status :)
[23:00] <clivejo> got a symbol problem
[23:01] <soee> this whole symbols and packaging is a high level maginc for me :)
[23:02]  * valorie rolls a +10 high-level symbol-magic and shares it with all the packagers
[23:02] <valorie> gcc5 really complicates all this
[23:02] <soee> valorie: why ?
[23:03] <valorie> I wish I understood technically, but fortunately santa, harald and Riddell do
[23:03] <yofel> because you now don't only have symbol breakage caused by the library, you also have symbol breakage caused by libstdc++
[23:04] <valorie> ah, and yofel too!
[23:04] <yofel> ^^
[23:06] <clivejo> yofel
[23:06] <clivejo> please help me!
[23:06] <clivejo> Im going insane, insane I tell ya!
[23:06] <yofel> hard to say, are you on ec2?
[23:07] <clivejo> no, locally
[23:07] <yofel> hm, can you restore the old symbolfile before you deleted it and try to build that?
[23:08] <clivejo> I started from scratch
[23:08] <yofel> ah
[23:08] <yofel> how far do you get?
[23:08] <clivejo> and still hitting the same problem
[23:08] <clivejo> ok this command stuck me for a bit
[23:08] <clivejo> dpkg-buildpackage -j4 | tee buildlog
[23:09] <clivejo> was complaining about changed source
[23:09] <clivejo> so I used ../buildlog
[23:09] <clivejo> that worked
[23:09] <yofel> ah yeah, if you do that inside the source it will complain ^^
[23:09] <clivejo> funny that!
[23:10] <clivejo> maybe they could update the help page!
[23:10] <clivejo> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[23:10] <clivejo> only took me an hour to work it out!
[23:10] <yofel> oh yeah, that's from a time before that check existed
[23:11] <clivejo> Then I run pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 1.0 ../buildlog
[23:11] <clivejo> which appeared to half work
[23:11] <yofel> half o.O?
[23:11] <clivejo> pkgkde-symbolshelper: error: input symbol file template version (5.9.0+git20150516.0223) is higher than the specified one (1.0)
[23:12] <yofel> uh oh
[23:12] <yofel> what are you updating again?
[23:12] <clivejo> how on earth is it version 5.9 when the source is 1.0rc1?
[23:12] <clivejo> libkf5purpose
[23:12] <clivejo> so I tried pkgkde-symbolshelper batchpatch -v 6 ../buildlog
[23:12] <clivejo> and it appeared to work
[23:13] <clivejo> but still getting Lintan issues
[23:14] <clivejo> what am I doing wrong?
[23:14] <yofel> where is that libkf5purpose from?
[23:15] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/unstable/purpose/
[23:15] <clivejo> a dep for kamoso
[23:15] <yofel> where's the old package from?
[23:16] <clivejo> I built it before
[23:16] <yofel> based on what?
[23:16] <clivejo> purpose-0.1-alpha.tar.xz
[23:17] <yofel> is that released anywhere?
[23:17] <clivejo> I think its new
[23:17] <yofel> ok, then I would delete the symbolfile and re-create it using the proper versioning
[23:18] <yofel> and you should pass 1.0~rc1 as version
[23:18] <yofel> otherwise you'll have a problem when you try to package 1.0 ^^
[23:18] <clivejo> will you guild me?
[23:18] <yofel> I can try.. you should be able to just build the package like before though
[23:19] <yofel> creating the symbolfile comes after the build is finished
[23:19] <clivejo> just rm *.symbol?
[23:19] <yofel> yes
[23:19] <yofel> is there more than one?
[23:20] <clivejo> 2
[23:20] <clivejo> libkf5purpose5.symbols  libkf5purposewidgets5.symbols
[23:20] <yofel> ok, remove both, we'll just have to redo them individually
[23:21] <clivejo> done, and debuild'ing
[23:22] <clivejo> ok 5 warnings
[23:22] <clivejo> 3 are simular to this - W: libkf5purpose5-dbg: debug-file-with-no-debug-symbols usr/lib/debug/.build-id/b4/e4222cfd34f768fd17c625a40dee868f1bf61d.debug
[23:23] <yofel> I never quite understood that one...
[23:23] <yofel> has something to do whether the file is usable by gdb or so
[23:24] <clivejo> where is that file?
[23:25] <clivejo> its not in debian/tmp
[23:26] <clivejo> ah, its in /debian/libkf5purpose5-dbg/usr/lib/debug/.build-id/b4/e4222cfd34f768fd17c625a40dee868f1bf61d.debug
[23:28] <clivejo> but it is populated (105 lines)
[23:28] <yofel> right, but it needs to have a proper format
[23:28] <yofel> feel free to read up on debug symbol definitions ;)
[23:28] <clivejo> double dutch to me!
[23:29] <yofel> or rather maybe ask sitter tomorrow or so, maybe he knows what the proper action is
[23:30] <clivejo> they are just warnings
[23:30] <clivejo> should I ignore for now?
[23:30] <yofel> yes
[23:31] <clivejo> do you know what -diff-contains-substvars debian/libkf5purpose5.substvars means?
[23:33] <yofel> you probably had something leftover from your old attempt? https://lintian.debian.org/tags/diff-contains-substvars.html
[23:33] <yofel> should usually not be there
[23:35] <yofel> at least not before the build, it's generated
[23:35] <clivejo> does debuild not clear all files before?
[23:36] <yofel> dh_clean should do that, but it's not perfect
[23:37] <clivejo> debuild clean?
[23:37] <clivejo> same as dh_clean?
[23:39] <yofel> dh_clean is one of the debhelper scripts and gets run by debuild (in short)
[23:46] <clivejo> I dont understand this - dep5-copyright-license-name-not-unique
[23:46] <clivejo> its the same licence
[23:46] <clivejo> but different folders have different copyright holders
[23:47] <clivejo> how can it be unique?
[23:47] <yofel> you aggregate that by license, so you list all the files with the same copyright and all their copyright holders in the same block
[23:48] <yofel> clivejo: e.g. look at /usr/share/doc/plasma-desktop/copyright for an example
[23:55] <clivejo> so you only define the long version once?
[23:56] <yofel> right, and if there is a copy of the license in /usr/share/common-licenses/ you only need to include the short form (like done for the L/GPL)
[23:57] <clivejo> I just defined it at the end
[23:57] <yofel> should be fine
[23:57] <clivejo> seems to have cleared the Lintan warning!
[23:57] <clivejo> thanks yofel :)
[23:57] <yofel> for the full syntax specification, see http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[23:57] <clivejo> just those 3 debug warnings to ask sitter about
[23:58] <clivejo> dput'ing to LP
[23:58] <yofel> leaves creating the symbolfiles
[23:58] <yofel> unless you did that
[23:59] <clivejo> I have no idea about the symbol files
[23:59] <clivejo> need an up-to-date guide


[04:57] <lifeless> wgrant: offhand, how do you make searchTasks (HTTP API) order by bug id ascending ?
[04:58] <lifeless> Unrecognized order_by: u'bug.id'
[05:57] <wgrant> lifeless: id
[05:57] <wgrant> orderby_expression = { "task": (BugTaskFlat.bugtask_id, []), "id": (BugTaskFlat.bug_id, []),
[05:57] <lifeless> wgrant: ack, thanks.
[23:01] <bigjools> why would I get signed MP mails occasionally rejected with "bad signature"?  It seems entirely random whether something will work or not.
[23:04] <wgrant> bigjools: Have you tried verifying the signature manually?
[23:05] <bigjools> wgrant: nope. I know Launchpad well enough to suspect a bug here :)
[23:05] <wgrant> It's very unlikely.
[23:06] <wgrant> More likely is that the email is being mangled slightly before it gets to Launchpad.
[23:06] <bigjools> I love your optimism for a change, where's the normal LP pessimism? :)
[23:07] <wgrant> I trust this code more than the rest, because I've audited it for security vulnerabilities :)
[23:08] <bigjools> wait - does it deal with multipart/signed?
[23:08] <wgrant> I haven't used stupid inline signatures in a good many years, so yeah.
[23:11] <wgrant> Does it work if you resend the same email?


[00:37] <somethinginteres> hi all, somehow the mythbuntu repo has decided to download from the v0.26 branch, despite me setting it to download 0.25. Can anyone tell me a safe and proper way to downgrade to mythtv v0.25?
[16:11] <dr01dy> when I setup my infrared in MythUbuntu Control Centre do I need to add something for the IR to work in the External Channel Changer part in Mythtv-Setup
[16:12] <dr01dy> to tell the device I want to channel up channel down
[21:12] <skd5aner> hey, any challenges with mythtv on 12.10?  I compile from source
[21:20] <superm1> skd5aner: no there shouldn't be
[21:20] <skd5aner> superm1: ok, thanks... There's some stuff in the newer kernel that I'm hoping will address some things I've seen with the HD-PVR
[21:21] <superm1> we do have pre built packages though if you'd be interested for the 0.26 and 0.27.x series on our PPA's for 12.10 too
[21:21] <superm1> skd5aner: you should be able to pull the kernel from 12.10 onto a 12.04 box though too potentially
[21:21] <superm1> without having to use the rest of the userspace
[21:21] <skd5aner> superm1: yea, I've just always done it the hard way since 2003 and sometimes I like to patch and test :)
[21:21] <skd5aner> superm1: ah, didn't really think about doing that
[21:22] <skd5aner> superm1: but, I already started the upgrade, heh
[21:22] <superm1> matter of fact 12.04.2 will be pulling in 12.10 kernel here in a few months too, so if 12.10 kernel fixes your situation then in a couple of months when 12.04.2 gets releases you could just swithc to the released kernel to stay on that track
[21:22] <superm1> oh ok :)
[21:22] <skd5aner> but, thanks for the info...
[21:22] <skd5aner> that'll be helpful for others!
[21:23] <skd5aner> I'll report back if I run into any unexpected issues - 95% of upgrades have gone fairly smoothly for me
[21:23] <superm1> sure.  if you hit some other problems with your upgrade and myth feel free to shout out, there could be some bugs since it's not a fairly well tested upgrade path at this point
[21:23] <skd5aner> the last one was actually the most difficult for some reason
[21:23] <superm1> in general we're gonna try to keep people on LTS if we can supplementing them with those backport kernels for situations like this
[21:24] <skd5aner> makes sense, so long as the critical fixes get backported
[21:24] <skd5aner> you guys do good work
[21:24] <skd5aner> and I'm glad to see the mythbuntu team has kept the momentum going over the last several years unlike some of hte other distros
[21:26] <superm1> thanks! hopefully keeps up
[23:40] <skd5aner> ok, well... upgrade went well, except for I told it to keep my existing gdm conf file, however some of hte options have changed, and I now want to use the packagers version of the conf
[23:40] <skd5aner> how can I get that installed now, after the fact


[09:10] <Phuzzy> Have a question about preseeding... i am trying to get a custom disk to install the "standard" task via preseed tasksel command, but no matter what format i use, it does not seem to work. any advice?


[17:30] <|PSU|> hi guys, I am looking to upgrade my ATI Radeon RV370 video card to something that can handle VDPAU as my current card is giving some triangular artifact / shapes between frames.  It's a 4-5 year old PC with a PCI-Express x16 slot so I'm not looking for anything bleeding edge, just something that provides HD quality output.  Thanks!


[01:51] <philipballew> If my laptop is overheating, is the first thing I should do is check the fan?
[01:51] <philipballew> see if its blocked, or if there is anything like that?
[01:52] <philipballew> I was also thinking of seeing if the processor could use more paste
[02:07] <nhaines> You don't want "more" paste between your CPU and heatsink.  You want as little as possible.
[02:08] <nhaines> Its job is to fill in any microscopic gaps between the two because air is an insulator.
[02:08] <nhaines> Keep the fan from moving (sometimes they generate current and can fry things) and blow out the fan.  That's a pretty good first step that can't hurt.
[02:10] <blitz> opening a laptop can always be a mess
[02:10] <blitz> they almost never go back together 100% the same
[02:20] <nhaines> blitz: yes, but in my defense, HP put some of those screws in there as extras.
[02:46] <philipballew> blitz, nhaines still rocking a dell from 2007 :)
[02:47] <nhaines> I haven't owned a Dell since 1992.  :)
[02:52] <philipballew> nhaines, what do you use these days?
[02:53] <nhaines> I build my own desktop computers but my laptop is an HP Pavillion dv6.
[02:55] <philipballew> oh nice1
[02:55] <philipballew> *!
[02:56] <nhaines> It's nice and shiny, plus everything but the fingerprint reader (which I don't use) works out of the box with Ubuntu.
[02:58] <philipballew> Something works out of the box with Ubuntu. I remember when that was not the case...
[02:59] <nhaines> I think the last time something didn't work out of the box with me with Ubuntu was maybe 6.06 LTS or 7.04.
[03:03] <philipballew> I had a webcam with 10.04 that would show itself upside down.
[03:03] <philipballew> but someone from rhel wrote a script to fix that so I made sure to add that.
[04:46]  * ianorlin has hp pavilion dv6
[04:57] <philipballew> Dell Lattitude d-630
[13:48] <Roguehorse> Good Morning


[05:35] <debodhi> https://i.imgur.com/O7JaFFJ.png   Is the snap store only available for ubuntu?
[08:05] <ogra_> debodhi, it surely is ...
[08:05] <ogra_> (given it is the default Sw to install/remove packages in ubuntu)
[16:10] <debodhi> ogra_: ok, the question was it *only* available for ubuntu, as I'm unable to install it, as can be seen in the screenshot, it keeps saying to try other channels, but none work, etc.
[16:11] <debodhi> it feels like you answered the question without the word only in it..... although perhaps I'm just hoping....
[16:23] <ogra_> debodhi, it should work on any system that supports snaps
[16:24] <ogra_> not sure why you do not get the full channel list though, is your snapd outdated (do you have the latest snapd snap on your system) ?
[16:25] <ogra_> (checking the metadata of my installed snap-store, it requires at least snapd 2.41)
[16:25] <debodhi> 2.60.4
[16:26] <ogra_> that should be fine then ...
[16:26] <ogra_> does "snap info snap-store" list 8 channels for it ?
[16:26] <ogra_> (4x latest in different variations, 4x preview)
[16:27] <debodhi> no, as shown on screenshot, it say "error: no info for snap-store"
[16:27] <debodhi> errr no snap found for snap store
[16:28] <debodhi> error: no snap found for "snap-store"
[16:28] <ogra_> right ... weird ...
[16:30] <ogra_> there isnt really any technical reason i could imagine that might prevent you from seeing all channels ... snaps are 100% distro independent so as long as snapd is supported you should have access to all snaps in the store
[16:31] <ogra_> (and to all channels of these snaps)
[16:31] <ogra_> do you have any "transparent" proxy that could intercept https calls to the store ?
[16:32] <debodhi> I'm able to find and install snaps from command line...  I tried a few https://paste.debian.net/1306121/
[16:34] <debodhi> I did "snap find games" and picked 3 to try, the rest of that stuff was dependencies for them
[16:36] <debodhi> (so no, I don't think I have any proxy)
[16:45] <ogra_> hmm, you dont have the snapd snap ... try "snap install snapd" (might need a reboot on non-ubuntu systems to make it start from the snap version)
[16:48] <debodhi> it appeared to restart itself after install, but I'm rebooting anyway, thanks
[16:49] <ogra_> 👍
[16:53] <debodhi> It didn't change the behavior in regards to snap-store tho.
[16:53] <ogra_> bah
[16:54] <ogra_> but "snap version" does tell you about 2.61.x now i hope ?
[16:55] <debodhi> No, still says 2.60.4
[16:55] <ogra_> oh
[16:55] <debodhi> but thats what it says in the list anyway
[16:56] <ogra_> it shouldnt ...
[16:56] <ogra_> $ snap info snapd | grep latest/stable
[16:56] <ogra_> tracking:     latest/stable
[16:56] <ogra_>   latest/stable:    2.61.1                  2024-01-04 (20671) 42MB -
[16:56] <debodhi> https://paste.debian.net/1306123/
[16:57] <debodhi> https://paste.debian.net/1306124/
[16:57]  * ogra_ is baffled
[16:58] <ogra_> not sure but you dont really seem to access the snapcraft.io store properly ... see https://snapcraft.io/snapd ...
[16:58] <ogra_> (top right)
[16:59] <ogra_> not sure how you could even remotely get a 2.60 version when you run snap install snapd ... there is only 2.61.x available
[17:00] <debodhi> i386 arch
[17:00] <ogra_> OH !
[17:00] <ogra_> your kernel says -686 ...
[17:00] <ogra_> right, i386 support was dropped in 2018 ... so all you get will be really old stuff then
[17:01] <ogra_> that indeed solves the mystery 🙂
[17:02] <debodhi> https://i.imgur.com/15XdENB.png on the site you sent shows 2023
[17:03] <debodhi> Oh you mean for snap-store
[17:03] <debodhi> it doesn't list i386 at all under arch, so that explains something
[17:04] <ogra_> right, snapd will still be built for i386 ... but no newer snaps
[17:05] <ogra_> so all you can get is anything that has been packaged against 18.04 ("base: core18" in "snap info --verbose <snapname>") ... but snap-store is definitely packaged against core22
[17:07] <debodhi> ah ok.  yeah trying to install that as a test, it gives an error message that makes sense.  snap-store didn't give such an error message.
[17:07] <debodhi> error: snap "core22" is not available on stable for this architecture (i386) but exists on other
[17:07] <debodhi>        architectures (amd64, arm64, armhf, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x).


[08:18] <Vernon> I got a boot related bug that is preventing a successful boot that I need to report.
[08:18] <Vernon> AKA, I am on windows, on a different computer.
[17:17] <kangarooo> to what to report bug about wiki ubuntu notifications settings not saving
[17:21] <kangarooo> i just posted to ubuntu-website
[20:53] <espirit>  Hello. There are no available drivers in "Additional Graphics" tab for my ATI Radeon HD Mobility Graphics card (4xxx). Is this a bug? However they were available via jockey in 12.04. I'm using ubuntu 12.10 beta 2.


[07:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[15:14] <locodir-user> i
[15:14] <locodir-user> hi
[15:22] <mhall119> good morning
[15:36] <paultag> morning mhall119
[15:36] <paultag> and everyone else
[23:45] <mhall119> paultag: hey, you about?
[23:46] <paultag> mhall119: yeah
[23:46] <paultag> mhall119: what's good mang?
[23:48] <paultag> mhall119: bbl, email me, I'll have my phone
[23:48] <mhall119> paultag: just wanted to see how much contact info you can gleam from http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/business_card.png