[12:00] <kataklsym> can someone here help me with my webcam?
[12:00] <kataklsym> i have the drivers installed
[12:00] <kataklsym> now it wont access the cam
[12:00] <kataklsym> i had it working in RHEL4, but now in ubuntu i cant figure out what is wrong
[12:01] <Seveas> rekrutacja, I agree with that, but since breezy is still under development, updates are more easily accepted
[12:01] <phillipc> will breezy go to gst 0.9?
[12:01] <Seveas> no
[12:01] <Seveas> ^-- phillipc
[12:01] <phillipc> cool, thanks
[12:01] <erUSUL> karen: you mean that the jobs are paused? in System-->Admin -> printers open your printer (listed there) you can pause it in the first menu
[12:01] <karen> yes
[12:02] <karen> jobs are paused
[12:02] <rekrutacja> seveas do you know who is ubuntu maintainar of firefox packages? in package info there is some debian email address, so i suspect it's a debian developer, and sending him information about ubuntu is not going to work
[12:02] <Seveas> rekrutacja, there is no single maintainer per package like in debian
[12:03] <Seveas> all developers can touch all packages
[12:03] <kuroishinzoo> how do i install amsn??
[12:03] <kuroishinzoo> or msn??
[12:03] <dv_> hello
[12:03] <dv_> i have some problems with java and firefox
[12:03] <srosco> hi
[12:03] <dv_> i use the sun-j2sdk1.5 package,
[12:03] <Cimmerian> hi, does anyone know how to make openoffice use the gtk ui when running outside of gnome (using e17)?
[12:03] <Seveas> but Martin Pitt (pitt, martin.pitt [at]  ubuntu.com) is security team lead
[12:03] <rekrutacja> seveas could you report this as an issue to developers? i think this is a serious one
[12:03] <spoilerhead> kuroishinzoo, usegaim
[12:03] <dv_> but the plugin symlinked in the firefox plugin dir points to a non-existing .so
[12:03] <Seveas> kuroishinzoo, applications -> internet -> gaim
[12:04] <karen> erUSLU--- i had someone set all this up for me , not sure what i'm doing
[12:04] <Seveas> there's an IM client that supports msn
[12:04] <rekrutacja> seveas, thanks, i will send him an email
[12:04] <erUSUL> karen: the window where the jobs are listed has two menu entries where you can pause the printer or the jobs. i asume you tried there?
[12:04] <Seveas> rekrutacja, do know that he is probably working on it now
[12:04] <kuroishinzoo> okey thanks.. ;)
[12:04] <thechitowncubs> what channel/server is open office in?
[12:04] <karen> i haven't tried anything because i'm learning to use the computer
[12:04] <erUSUL> karen: the menus are Printer and Edit
[12:05] <karen> yes
[12:05] <karen> i guess from pressing print over and over
[12:05] <karen> it's showing numerous printing
[12:06] <Coster> yo
[12:06] <karen> erUSUL  can you send me a message at HamNcheeseGirl
[12:06] <kuroishinzoo> hahaha.. how the fck does gaim work??
[12:07] <deus> I have to remove a group from my user
[12:07] <spoilerhead> enter your account data, and voil
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> anyone know?
[12:07] <deus> I added my user account into a group called ftpuser
[12:07] <deus> and now i cant use the sudu
[12:07] <deus> sudo
[12:07] <deus> how can i change this back without the sudo
[12:07] <erUSUL> karen: new to irc how do i do that?
[12:08] <kataklsym> i edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf and included v4l, restarted the X server, came back, compiled the webcam modules for my kernel, went to /dev and MAKEDEV video,  modprobed videodev, modprobed mywebcamdriver,   now still it isnt detecting my webcam.. what could it be?
[12:08] <karen> haha, as new as me--- message on gaim the messenger
[12:08] <P229> deus: that sounds like a bug
[12:08] <Lars_G> deus: Have you activated root's account?
[12:08] <deus> Lars_G: no
[12:09] <Lars_G> deus: Good luck then, afaik you will need a rescue disc for this.
[12:09] <deus> usermod -G ftpuser username
[12:09] <kuroishinzoo> how does gaim work??
[12:09] <Lars_G> deus: You deleted "admin" from your groups with that.
[12:09] <deus> after that i couldnt use sudo
[12:09] <karen> gaim is like yahoo messenger
[12:09] <karen> same thing basically as yahoo
[12:09] <deus> Lars_G: what?
[12:09] <kuroishinzoo> if i want to access my msn.. what shall i do??
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: -G in usermod REPLACES your group list, doesn't adds the new group to the list.
[12:10] <Beryllium> how long should the "Registering Documentation" step take?
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: In ubuntu, to be able to do sudo, you need to be in the "admin" group.
[12:10] <Beryllium> oh,  nevermind, it just finished
[12:10] <Hikaru79> The breezy gnome-screensaver update released today wants to remove xscreensaver. Is this normal? Should I let this update remove xscreensaver?
[12:10] <Beryllium> took like ten minutes or more
[12:10] <deus> damn
[12:10] <erUSUL> karen: in msn? or yahoo...
[12:10] <Seveas> Hikaru79, no, you should remove gnome-screensaver
[12:10] <Lars_G> deus: When you ran that command, you deleted your whole list of extra groups you belong to, and replaced them all with only "ftpuser"
[12:10] <karen> yahoo
[12:10] <Seveas> and apt-get update again
[12:11] <deus> anyway this is my current id. uid=1000(deus) gid=1000(deus) groups=1000(deus),1002(ftpuser)
[12:11] <Hikaru79> Seveas, I see.
[12:11] <Lars_G> deus: It's not a bug, it's an OOPs, :) next time it's simpler to use kusers or similar app.
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I thought it was decided to use xscreensaver in breezy?
[12:11] <amias> erUSUL: seems to be working , thanks
[12:11] <Seveas> thoreauputic, correct
[12:11] <Lars_G> deus: Anyhow, afaik you'll have to boot from ubuntu livecd or another kind of rescue cd.
[12:11] <deus> a PEBKC problem then
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: whew - had me worried for a moment
[12:11] <Seveas> that's why I said remove gnome-screemsaver ;)
[12:12] <Lars_G> deus: then mount your root partition, chroot to it, and run usermod again to add "admin" to your -G
[12:12] <erUSUL> amias: you are wellcome
[12:12] <Seveas> Lars_G, don't make it so difficult!
[12:12] <Lars_G> Seveas: What other option is there?
[12:12] <Seveas> deus, reboot into recovery mode
[12:12] <Seveas> and when you are root, typr this:
[12:12] <karen> erUSUL---- when i click on the printer and click resume printing-- nothing happens
[12:12] <Toba> wtf is the "xpistub library"
[12:12] <Seveas> adduser deus sudo
[12:12] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: recovery mode gives you a root prompt
[12:13] <Seveas> then exit recovery mode and boot through to normal mode
[12:13] <Seveas> and use sudo users-admin to restore the other groups
[12:13] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: Doh, sorry, I'm used to distros with active root accounts, where even recovery mode requires root pw to enter.
[12:13] <deus> thats in grub right?
[12:13] <Seveas> deus, yes
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: yah - Ubuntu has this for just such cases
[12:13] <Lars_G> Thanks to ubuntu for being more logical.
[12:14] <Seveas> Lars_G, if deus had a root account, a simple su would have done it :)
[12:14] <Lars_G> nod
[12:14] <erUSUL> karen: try restarting cups in a terminal do 'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart'
[12:15] <amias> erUSUL,: is it necissary to reboot after altering the partition table or is it safe to go ahead and write to it
[12:15] <robbkidd> Soooo, who's using Evolution 2.4 with Exchange 2003?
[12:15] <Lars_G> Seveas: Still, I do agree with the ubuntu view on basing around sudo
[12:15] <Seveas> yeah, me too
[12:15] <deus> Lars_G: me to
[12:15] <Lars_G> Seveas: Sorry for the long round around too, I'm still getting used to Ubuntu's nuances :)
[12:15] <deus> ok
[12:15] <karen> i'm sorry erUSUL  have no idea what you mean.  I'm a computer dummy
[12:15] <erUSUL> amias: not necesary just upgrade /etc/fstab to mach the new layout
[12:15] <deus> *Dive Dive!*
[12:15] <robbkidd> "Default permit" through sudo is a fairly decent compromise between user-friendliness and security.
[12:16] <P229> I still think it's a bug that a user can lock himself out of root access (without forgetting a password, that is)
[12:16] <Seveas> P229, it's a user error
[12:16] <Seveas> not a bug
[12:16] <erUSUL> karen: Aplications-> System tools--> terminal
[12:16] <Lars_G> it's a user error
[12:16] <Seveas> and recovery mode can restore it
[12:16] <Lars_G> Seveas: I seem to be repeating you a lot.
[12:16] <Lars_G> P229: It's part of the learning process too.
[12:16] <Seveas> Lars_G, great minds think alike :)
[12:16] <robbkidd> I agree with Seveas.  A system can do only so much to protect a user from himself.
[12:16] <Lars_G> P229: Else you could call programs like mkfs "bugs"
[12:17] <Seveas> The only time I had to reinstall ubuntu was when i typed rm -rf lib while being root in /var
[12:17] <P229> Seveas: perhaps I'm nit-picking, but imho it would be more sensible to design against this
[12:17] <esac_> on my laptop i have a couple of auto mount SMB shares in my fstab. but at work those shares dont exist, so on boot it takes a while to figure this out. is there any way to have it background those attempts, or not make them if i am at work ?
[12:17] <Seveas> no os can protect you from that :)
[12:17] <Seveas> P229, propose a design that can handle this and it will be implemented
[12:17] <Seveas> I see no such design.
[12:18] <esac_> Seveas: i've never had to reinstall windows from typing "rm -rf lib" in /var :)
[12:18] <robbkidd> P229: The only way I see around this is to not let a user have admin rights at all.
[12:18] <thoreauputic> P229: right, and design around rm -rf errors and.... what else ? *g*
[12:18] <Seveas> usermod is a way too basic tool to be used directly
[12:18] <Seveas> the 'correct' way is useradd/userdel or the gui tools
[12:18] <Lars_G> P229: The only out I see is to provide patched usermod/libraries for ubuntu... messy, very messy
[12:18] <Seveas> esac_, try deleting C:\Windows\System32
[12:19] <Seveas> it'll f* you up massively :)
[12:19] <esac_> Seveas: since when ? last time i tried that, system file protection restored everything and it still worked ...
[12:19] <djm62> #ubuntu-ph :D
[12:19] <robbkidd> Has anyone here gotten Evolution 2.4 to (1) send through an Exchange 2003 server via Connector and (2) been able to view the contents of the Sent Items, Deleted Items and Drafts folders?
[12:19] <karen> no terminal in system tools
[12:19] <erUSUL> Seveas: windows does not need help to f* you up massively
[12:19] <benz190ryda> hello from ohio
[12:19] <erUSUL> :D
[12:19] <Seveas> esac_, meh, that takes up too muxh space to be effective
[12:19] <Seveas> erUSUL, that too
[12:20] <Seveas> it'll always leave some essential bits uncovered or simply take up too much space to be workable
[12:20] <robbkidd> System File Protection annoys me.  Not as a concept, but in its implementation.
[12:20] <sn0n> hey guys.. is there a .zip for a Ubuntu LiveCD boot floppy.. sounds weird.. but im at the schools computer lab.. and it will boot floppy, but not cd..
[12:20] <pluffsy> hello. I don't know if this is too OT, sorry in that case. but I'm about to buy a router so I can share my connection on my mac and my ubuntu computer. and I wondered if you have any tips? it would be neat with a router which I could also install a custom linux dist on so I can run lighter LAMP stuff on it.
[12:20] <esac_> Seveas: i'll give it a shot in my vmware and see if it misses anything .. thank god for snapshots :)
[12:21] <P229> sn0n: google smart boot manager
[12:21] <Seveas> esac_, ;)
[12:21] <robbkidd> sn0n: What do the schools administrators think of you booting off your own media?
[12:21] <sn0n> hehe.. the computer science tech didnt like it
[12:21] <Seveas> "...."
[12:21] <Lars_G> pluffsy: Get a small pc, and M0n0wall, otherwise, if you're looking for wireless whathever you do, do NOT buy D-Link
[12:21] <robbkidd> Wouldn't think so.
[12:21] <sn0n> but now im at the computer lab, where there is no tech
[12:21] <Lars_G> pluffsy: Not much else I can tell you right now
[12:21] <sn0n> the com sci lab lets you boot from cd thou..
[12:22] <sn0n> the public comp lab dont.. they are more 'locked down'
[12:22] <Seveas> sn0n, why are you so eager to break the rules?
[12:22] <amias> pluffsy: netgear dg834g or linksys wrt54g
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: Get this: http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[12:22] <sn0n> cuz they lock down the computers soo much you cant really do anything :-/
[12:22] <oG|Tobias-GG> Hello! I am sorry to be such a noob, but I just tried to install Ubunto on my second computer, and it went alright except for some part not working. After rebooting I don't get into the actual OS. How do I start from zero and reformat the HDD?
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: Yes, but doing stuff they don't want to, is breaking rules.
[12:22] <IcemanV9> Lars_G: what's the matter with d-link?
[12:22] <Seveas> sn0n, they probably have a reason for that...
[12:22] <Lars_G> sn0n: And it could be labeled illegal.
[12:23] <Seveas> and get you kicked out of school
[12:23] <sn0n> blah..  im a comp sci major.. and a geek.. course ima break the COMPUTER RULES
[12:23] <sn0n> lol
[12:23] <djm62> sn0n: which is unwise, and possibly rude
[12:23] <pluffsy> amias: I've heard link-sys is bad. is that bullshit?
[12:23] <Lars_G> IcemanV9: The wireless range is garbage, the link stability null (link goes up and down ofter), before you say I have a broken unit, I've seen several units and models do the same
[12:23] <erUSUL> karen: Aplications-> run application? type  'sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart' and make sure you check run in terminal or console (i'm spanish and i do not know how it shows up in your screen)
[12:23] <crimsun> pluffsy: it's b.s. My wrt54g works great.
[12:23] <thechitowncubs> anyone know how to bold text before a number in open office 2 without having the number bolded also?
[12:23] <Seveas> oG|Tobias-GG, just boot from the install cd and restart...
[12:23] <P229> oG|Tobias-GG: the intial start up puts you into further system configuration that takes a while
[12:23] <Lars_G> Anyhow, GaG is a pretty good bootloader for fun.
[12:24] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, select the text and hit <ctrl>B
[12:24] <IcemanV9> Lars_G: linksys sucks as well. i returned it last spring. *shrug*
[12:24] <sn0n> mmm
[12:24] <oG|Tobias-GG> Oh, is it that easy? :P
[12:24] <davekempe> anyone know why zope refuses to see all the Products for a Breezy Plone install?
[12:24] <sn0n> gag looks a bit 'over the top'
[12:24] <thechitowncubs> Seveas, wel lthat also bolds the number.
[12:24] <Lars_G> IcemanV9: I've given up, I'm getting a SBC and loading M0n0wall into it
[12:24] <sn0n> i just want a simple boot floppy that will load the CD's Ubuntu live cd
[12:24] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, in that case ENOCLUE
[12:24] <Lars_G> sn0n: over the top??
[12:24] <pluffsy> crimsun: alright.
[12:24] <esac_> Seveas: I am administrator and i just did del * in system32 .. it gave me access denied or file in use on 90% of all files. looks like i lost paint.exe, calc.exe, net.exe and things like that, but the s ystem is still working just fine
[12:24] <deus> ok
[12:24] <sn0n> Lars_G : bloated ? ;-)
[12:24] <deus> that seemed to do the trick
[12:25] <Lars_G> Well your choice, I gave my oppinion.
[12:25] <sn0n> hehe
[12:25] <deus> was there anything else i should do then adduser deus admin in recovery mode?
[12:25] <Seveas> esac_, i find that 'acces denied' crap more annoying than losing my system if i'm being dumb
[12:25] <davekempe> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2443
[12:25] <amias> pluffsy: dunno i havea netgear
[12:25] <thechitowncubs> ENOCLUE?
[12:25] <deus> Could something maybe have something todo with my sudden loss of sound
[12:25] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, it means that i have no more ideas
[12:25] <thechitowncubs> thats what i thought
[12:25] <amias> pluffsy, linksys has more space
[12:26] <ablyss> i can't run breezy for more than a day... memory leak keeps poping up and taking the system down
[12:26] <thoreauputic> deus: yes you excluded yourself from the audio group :)
[12:26] <karen> thanks for trying erUSUL--- you seem very smart.  I'm just not understanding this much  but feel free to email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:26] <deus> thoreauputic: damn,
[12:26] <Lars_G> Seveas: How do you keep up with all the questions?
[12:26] <cafuego_> heee
[12:26] <Seveas> deus, sudo users-admin
[12:26] <esac_> Seveas: that's a fair argument, but your original statement that rm -rf (rd /q /s *) will f*ck up any os isn't true. windows holds up quite well to that
[12:26] <deus> How many groups could i have excluded myself from?~
[12:26] <Seveas> give yourself the rights again
[12:26] <Seveas> esac_, surprisingly it indeed does
[12:26] <thoreauputic> deus: once sudo is OK you can add yourself back to all the default groups
[12:26] <deus> command not found
[12:26] <cafuego_> esac_: Tried it on Win98 recently?
[12:27] <Seveas> deus, ok, the hard way:
[12:27] <djm62> yeah, any OS that doesn't let *somebody* do that,
[12:27] <worthawholebean> Hi, in Inkscape, how do you invert a path?
[12:27] <djm62> ...is slightly crippled
[12:27] <cafuego_> esac_: Actually, the reason windows survices that is due to  adesigne rror (cannot access open files) rather then design feature ;-)
[12:27] <esac_> cafuego: not since 1998
[12:28] <Seveas> for X in dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin; do sudo adduser deus $X; done
[12:28] <deus> thoreauputic: how many groups are there?
[12:28] <robbkidd> cafuego: To be fair, it's probably a good design implementation to not let files in use be deleted.
[12:28] <djm62> (any OS that lets the default user do it is in trouble too)
[12:28] <thoreauputic> deus: not that many by default
[12:28] <esac_> cafuego_: plus i dont see how asking if i did it in 1998 is a fair argument 7 years later
[12:28] <robbkidd> IcemanV9: Sure, but I'd like the opportunity to use it and scoff.
[12:28] <Lars_G> djm62: It doesn't. Ir required him to sudo, an act of conscience.
[12:28] <cafuego_> esac_: Well, Linux didn't die when you did 'rm -rf /' in '98
[12:29] <thoreauputic> deus: ask someone for their groups ( I can give you a list of mone if you wish)
[12:29] <Seveas> cafuego_, the real design error is that these files are open
[12:29] <Seveas> they should simply be loaded and closed
[12:29] <thoreauputic> *s/mone/mine
[12:29] <esac_> cafuego_: so what i am hearing is that windows got better, and linux got worse ?
[12:29] <Seveas> thoreauputic, look at the command I just typed :)
[12:29] <cafuego_> robbkidd: It's not a design implemenation though, it's a limitation of FAT32
[12:29] <Lars_G> esac_: No, you're hearing that users got stupider
[12:29] <djm62> Lars_G: wtf? this isn't just some theoretical phallus swinging? someone actually did that?
[12:29] <esac_> Lars_G: ok, i'll grant you that one :)
[12:29] <Seveas> esac_, in fact, rm -rf / won't kill linux now either...
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Seveas: missed it :)
[12:29] <robbkidd> cafuego: Er, those files remain "in use" when run from an NTFS volume, too.
[12:29] <cafuego_> esac_: 'rm -rf /' doesn't affect Linux, what do you mean?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Seveas: I see it now
[12:30] <Lars_G> djm62: My phallus is inside my underwear.
[12:30] <cafuego_> robbkidd: Yes, but the original was files being immovable under fat32, I'm sure the ntfs thing is a backward compatible "feature" MS implemented in the fat32 era. Most odd windows behaviour is.
[12:30] <D1> does anyone run ndiswrapper with a bcmwl5 card?
[12:30] <iodine> can i use the ubuntu live cd to network a drive on a windows computer to dd an image to the hda?
[12:31] <Seveas> D1, i did
[12:31] <djm62> Lars_G: I thought someone was just having a bit of fun playing devil's advocate...didn't occur to me that someone would actually type in something after sudo, then a passwd, without knowing what it was
[12:31] <ablyss> control-alt-del reboots ubuntu without using sudo, and if security reboots are enabled.. this needs to be fixed
[12:31] <deus> thoreauputic: seems severas gave me the basics
[12:31] <D1> Seveas, did your card report the correct signal strength?
[12:31] <Seveas> iodine, probably
[12:31] <Seveas> D1, no
[12:31] <D1> I always get 100%
[12:31] <Lars_G> djm62: We all are capable of lapsus menti
[12:31] <D1> and dont know how to fix it.
[12:31] <thoreauputic> deus: yup
[12:31] <esac_> cafuego_: well ill find out if rm -rf / doesn't hurt me in linux :)
[12:31] <deus> ok then
[12:31] <iodine> Seveas: any documentation on networking with the live cd
[12:31] <deus> *restarts X*
[12:31] <Seveas> ablyss, /etc/inittab :)
[12:31] <cafuego_> D1: Use a card that has real drivers.
[12:31] <cafuego_> esac_: it will only delete *your* files.
[12:32] <D1> cafuego, buy me one. ;]
[12:32] <robbkidd> Wow. gconf-editor.  All the heirarchy of the Windows registory with the joy of reading flat, raw XML. (In particular, the Evolution config entries.)
[12:32] <Lars_G> cafuego_: What about root?
[12:32] <Seveas> D1, you can't fix it unless you take cafuego_s suggestion
[12:32] <esac_> cafuego_: sure, but the original argument was running it as root
[12:32] <thoreauputic> deus: I have a 'dip" group here as well. it seems
[12:32] <deus> Do i have to do a full restart?
[12:32] <cafuego_> D1: No thanks, you can have my old bcmwl5 ;-)
[12:32] <Seveas> cafuego_, sudo rm -rf / will not kill it either ;)
[12:32] <D1> hehe
[12:32] <Draal_> I'm at the command line and need to remount / directory as read/write.. What is the command to do this?
[12:32] <Lars_G> Seveas: Why?
[12:32] <cafuego_> Seveas: Not until reboot time, no.
[12:32] <Seveas> (hint: rm treats / as special and needs --no-preserve-root)
[12:32] <D1> are wlan pcmcia cards still bulky?
[12:32] <esac_> cafuego_: as administrator on windows, you cant screw your system by running rd /q /s * .. but in linux as root rm -rf / will (it just killed mine)
[12:32] <cafuego_> esac_: That was when I was in bed, asleep. :-P
[12:33] <Lars_G> Draal_: "mount -o remount,rw /mount/dir"
[12:33] <D1> I remember seeing some really big linksys cards
[12:33] <ablyss> Seveas, i have reboots by normal users disabled... when i go to tty1 and press contorl-alt-del.. i reboot without needing to use sudo
[12:33] <ombr> arf
[12:33] <deus> Is a full reboot requried or should a restart of x be enough?
[12:33] <Lars_G> D1: ??? pcmcia cards are pcmcia cards, there are only type I II and III
[12:33] <Seveas> ablyss, then you need to change the c-a-d action in /etc/inttab
[12:33] <D1> I know but I mean wlan cards.
[12:33] <ablyss> oh
[12:33] <Lars_G> D1: And I haven't seen a Type III pcmcia card wireless in my life.
[12:34] <D1> they always stick out.
[12:34] <Lars_G> Well yes, most do that.
[12:34] <djm62> ablyss: not very relevant...physical access like that is root any way you look at it
[12:34] <cafuego_> D1: yes, because they have decent anntennas.
[12:34] <kuroishinzoo> what shall i do when i have problems with broken packages??
[12:34] <cafuego_> D1: Decent antenna meand decent reception.
[12:34] <Lars_G> A few hermes based cards out there have detachable antennas which let you choose
[12:34] <esac_> anybody running vmware on breezy? whenever i go into snapshot manager vmware dies
[12:34] <ablyss> djm62, not sure i know what u mean
[12:34] <deus> oh silly me i didnt logout
[12:34] <ablyss> thanks Seveas, i will look at that
[12:34] <Seveas> noooooooo apokryphos is back
[12:34] <cafuego_> esac_: is that because you rm -rf'd it?
[12:35] <Seveas> :)
[12:35] <Lars_G> Guard shift?
[12:35] <ablyss> interesting
[12:35] <theblue> Hi  all.
[12:35] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Are you as nice as Seveas?
[12:35] <Seveas> hi apokryphos ;)
[12:35] <Seveas> Lars_G, he's even nicer
[12:35] <ablyss> that was easy Seveas :-)
[12:35] <esac_> cafuego_: no, i did that on my windows host, linux guest box ... i am talking about my linux host, windows guest system
[12:35] <deus> ah *enlightend*
[12:35] <apokryphos> Seveas: hi =)
[12:35] <apokryphos> Lars_G: nope.. nice :D
[12:35] <ablyss> hmmm hmmm
[12:35] <cafuego_> esac_: evil
[12:35] <ablyss> tty1 is root ?
[12:35] <deus> thanks a bunch for the help
[12:36] <Lars_G> tty1 is tty1
[12:36] <ace0027> hi
[12:36] <kuroishinzoo> does bitcomet work on ubuntu?? because i dont want to use GNOME bittorrent..
[12:36] <esac_> cafuego_: which one, running a linux guest or a windows guest ?
[12:36] <apokryphos> ablyss: tty7 is where X is at
[12:36] <ablyss> well /etc/inittab has ctrl-alt-del to use sbin command
[12:36] <djm62> ablyss: worrying about security when someone can touch your machine (to ctrl-alt-del it) is way too late.  They can steal your computer, your disk, they can rewrite /etc/shadow, they can just break the damn thing...rebooting is basically the least of your worries.
[12:36] <apokryphos> ablyss: 1-6 are console sessions
[12:37] <ablyss> i'm able to use a sbin command in tty1 w/out sudo
[12:37] <Seveas> c-a-d action is run as root iirc
[12:37] <Lars_G> apokryphos: And, you can have more than tty7 if you create several GUI instances
[12:37] <apokryphos> ablyss: which one?
[12:37] <Seveas> anyway, off for a sec to test something
[12:38] <ablyss> apokryphos, control-alt-del
[12:38] <apokryphos> Lars_G: yup; if your computer doesn't completely cripple out from it :P
[12:38] <ablyss> an alias to shutdown
[12:38] <crtr> What?s Edubuntu ?
[12:38] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Well I've ran three sessions in a PIII-600
[12:38] <erUSUL> ablyss: djm62 is right. Fisical access and you are screewed
[12:38] <djm62> crtr: google it.  a distribution designed for schools
[12:38] <cafuego_> esac_: yes
[12:38] <Lars_G> apokryphos: That is, until I tried a GL screensaver....
[12:38] <cycom> so yeah, I found out that if I run gpsd at all, my wireless dies as soon as I connect to the daemon
[12:38] <apokryphos> Lars_G: I should give it a retry. Try gnome next to kde to appropriately compare :P
[12:38] <crimsun> crtr: it's linked from the Ubuntu front page
[12:39] <Lars_G> Eh,
[12:39] <Lars_G> a Minute of silence for the unconnected corpse of Seveas
[12:40] <Lars_G> *ping*
[12:40] <Lars_G> minute done
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Lars_G: your clock is fast :D
[12:40] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: I am ADHD, I have no clock.
[12:40] <amias> eeek , we are floating opless
[12:40] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: No internal RTC at all.
[12:40] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:40] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: now the fun can start; Lars_G: crack open the champagne
[12:41] <Lars_G> thoreauputic: I work with an external timing device, whose dissapearance means the end of time for my reality.
[12:41] <ablyss> :-) smart folks in here
[12:41] <apokryphos> ok, put everything away guys
[12:41] <cafuego_> Seveas: It didn't work
[12:41] <theblue> Hi all.
[12:41] <cafuego_> thoreauputic: ban the boss!
[12:42] <truth> Where should I start on trying to get sound workign,  I'm running ubuntu on a MSI AC97 motherboard
[12:42] <theblue> How do I add more resolutions to the menu to change the resolution?
[12:42] <cafuego_> ablyss: reboot? Why not hit ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[12:42] <Lars_G> Btw, Hoary is bassed on ESD and Breezy on a well mixed alsa, right?
[12:42] <Seveas> cafuego_, ?
[12:42] <ablyss> i'm retarded.. just ignore me
[12:43] <Lars_G> ablyss: ctrl-alt-f1 should take you to tty1, alt-f7 back to tty7
[12:43] <cafuego_> Seveas: "Seveas: anyway, off for a sec to test something"
[12:43] <Lars_G> oooops
[12:43] <Lars_G> ....
[12:43] <cafuego_> Seveas: From here, it seems like it didn't work.
[12:43] <cafuego_> laoi, I was eating that!
[12:43] <Seveas> cafuego_, correct, something fails terribly
[12:44] <Lars_G> brb.
[12:44] <Seveas> somehow xchat needs to send 600 bytes of something to the server whrn I join, which gives me lag due to the throttling mechanism
[12:44] <Lars_G> Don't drink all the champagne while I'm out
[12:44] <Seveas> and i have no clue what it's sending (even ethereal leaves me puzzled)
[12:44] <oG|Tobias-GG> During installation I got the message "An error was returned while trying to install the initrd-tools package onto the target system. Check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for the details." Can I continue the installation, or is that something very important?
[12:44] <Lars_G> Seveas: Use the source Luke.
[12:45] <Seveas> oG|Tobias-GG, that is quite important...
[12:45] <cafuego_> Seveas: tls negotiation, which fails?
[12:45] <Seveas> cafuego_, it's *after* I join all channels and I don't use tls
[12:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Is it repetitive?
[12:45] <cafuego_> oG|Tobias-GG: Without that apckage, the system cannot install a bootable kernel.
[12:45] <Seveas> Lars_G, yes, that's why it's so annoying :)
[12:45] <cafuego_> Seveas: Weird. Are you on-join spamming? ;-)
[12:45] <Lars_G> Seveas: Xchat has a "lag meter", it could be part of the detection mechanism.
[12:46] <oG|Tobias-GG> Kk, what should I do then?
[12:46] <Seveas> Lars_G, the lag meter is simply a /ping....
[12:46] <Lars_G> Seveas: Possibly some kind of icmp or ctcp to the server/bots to check round trip time.
[12:46] <cafuego_> Lars_G: 600bytes seems large for an sping, though
[12:46] <Lars_G> true
[12:46] <cafuego_> Seveas: Simple solution is irssi, as usual.
[12:46] <Lars_G> irssi is nice
[12:46] <Seveas> cafuego, meh, I hate irssi :)
[12:47] <cafuego_> In soviet russia, irssi hates you.
[12:47] <Seveas> (note: Evilseveas is my evil twin running irssi in a screen)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: Nah it's pretty ussefull.
[12:47] <cafuego_> Ignore I just said that.
[12:47] <apokryphos> it's more Qt than KDE (to be totally honest)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: That means you're the "good" twin? Holy canelonee.
[12:47] <Seveas> Lars_G, muhahahaha >:)
[12:47] <apokryphos> I find it hard to use irssi when I actually have X running
[12:47] <Seveas> but let's stop the off-topicness again
[12:47] <apokryphos> seems to defeat the point, but I do know it's powerful :)
[12:47] <Lars_G> Seveas: I love Qt
[12:47] <Lars_G> yes sir
[12:48] <erUSUL> oG|Tobias-GG: i do not know... You can switch to a virtual console Ctrl + Alt + F[2,3,4...]  and check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log
[12:48] <oG|Tobias-GG> trying to redo that step now
[12:48] <Seveas> ablyss, opera still sucks though

[12:48] <Lars_G> Seveas: Don't look a gift horse on the mouth
[12:48] <r7> question
[12:48] <Lars_G> r7: Answer
[12:48] <apokryphos> Seveas: software-wise, we almost are diametrically opposed. :P
[12:49] <r7> how do u su off live cd
[12:49] <apokryphos> r7: sudo!
[12:49] <r7> what's the password?
[12:49] <Seveas> apokryphos, and ubuntu fits us both :)
[12:49] <djm62> r7: sudo
[12:49] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell r7 about sudo
[12:49] <Lars_G> r7: You don't you do sudo like in a full install.
[12:49] <apokryphos> Seveas: exactly; isn't that great? :)
[12:49] <Lars_G> Seveas: Altough, "what is the ubuntu user's password in the livecd" is a valid question.
[12:49] <Seveas> r7, you should use sudo

[12:50] <r7> many thanks
[12:50] <erUSUL> Seveas et al. maybe all this could be moved to #ubuntu-offtopic ;) oG|Tobias-GG would be glad XD
[12:50] <r7> that's what i needed
[12:50] <r7> back to dead hd recovery
[12:50] <Lars_G> erUSUL: Trouble is, ops are always right, whether we like it or not :(
[12:51] <thoreauputic>  /me sets mode +bb Seveas apokryphos
[12:51] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: what was that? ;-)
[12:51] <Lars_G> War of the gods!
[12:51] <esac_> what is with all these modes. back in my days there were like 2 letters :)
[12:52] <erUSUL> Lars_G: well yeah... right... forget what i've said ;)
[12:52] <Lars_G> esac_: And you walked two blocks in the snow to deliver a tcp packet, right?
[12:52] <esac_> Lars_G: uphill, both ways !
[12:52] <redtech_> bahaha
[12:52] <mathew> hello
[12:52] <Lars_G> This channel is hell for tab completing lazy sods.
[12:53] <GoRoDeK> sorry for disturbing, but i have a slight problem with login into a gnome session using gdm. first i thought it has something to do with the .ICEAuthority problem often discused but the problem cannot be solved by deleting the file ;(
[12:53] <Seveas> grmbl
[12:54] <Seveas> GoRoDeK, login in text mode, rm -r ~/.Xauthority ~/.ICEauthority /tmp/*
[12:54] <Seveas> and retry in gui mode
[12:54] <Seveas> (brb - last time)
[12:54] <cafuego_> Lars_G: Yeah, ideally there'd be a 36 user limit.
[12:54] <Toba> is there a good reason "apt-get remove firefox" should make firefox impossible to reinstall?
[12:54] <erUSUL> Toba no
[12:55] <dreumah> hi i have a rio carbon 5 gig and i was wondering how i can access it in ubuntu
[12:55] <Toba> but it happened...
[12:55] <Toba> illogical stuff has been happening
[12:55] <_Caleb_> sup martii
[12:55] <Toba> and it makes my insides turn into anger and more anger
[12:55] <cafuego_> dreumah: plug it in, see what 'dmesg' says.
[12:55] <_Caleb_> sup marius_
[12:55] <_Caleb_> lol
[12:55] <Toba> it's not fucking true that ubuntu is anything for human beings
[12:55] <Seveas> That's it -- I give up
[12:55] <apokryphos> Toba: sure it is!
[12:55] <erUSUL> Toba computers are plagued with this kind of things
[12:55] <Toba> if you step outside the narrow path of gui it stabs you in the face and leaves you to die
[12:56] <marius_> not much man
[12:56] <marius_> caleb
[12:56] <Toba> erUSUL: funny, I never have problems like this with freebsd or windows...
[12:56] <cafuego_> Toba: yes, it's much more rewarding to stab human beings in the face than mindless machines.
[12:56] <dreumah> cafuego i dont know what it says, i dont understand it
[12:56] <unkn0wn2u> Toba, go back to them then
[12:56] <Toba> so nobody has any experience with apt completely breaking a package when I remove it?
[12:56] <crimsun> Toba: paste the output from ''apt-cache policy firefox'' in #flood
[12:56] <cafuego_> dreumah: ANything about sda or sdb?
[12:57] <unkn0wn2u> Toba, if you never had problems with windows or freebsd why change?
[12:57] <cafuego_> Toba: Were you using backports of any kind?
[12:57] <erUSUL> Toba: you'll wont believe what happened to me this last two days with my computer both hardware and software ;)
[12:57] <Toba> because freebsd was horrible for desktop and had hardly any software
[12:57] <Beryllium> toba: I've witnessed people fuck up their systems with Apt Get, but that was under debian and they were syncing with unstable.
[12:57] <rdw200169> did they think that 'unstable' meant something else?
[12:58] <Beryllium> hardly ... any ... software? wtf are you smoking? :) I use FreeBSD at work all the time. Plenty of software in ports, and it can emulate Linux too.
[12:58] <apokryphos> Toba: it does this to many packages? Could you elaborate?
[12:58] <Beryllium> rdw200169: They were silly. It was amusing.
[12:58] <dreumah> cafuego i dont know what it says, i dont understand it
[12:58] <Toba> apokryphos: no, just firefox
[12:58] <dreumah> cafuego not that i see
[12:58] <_Caleb_> well marius_ since you are new to ubuntu i think you can find help in here when you need it
[12:58] <cafuego_> I only like the OSX flavour of fbsd.
[12:58] <erUSUL> Toba: and with windows this eavening
[12:58] <Toba> I wanted to get 1.0.7
[12:58] <dv_> btw, how is DragonflyBSD?
[12:58] <Airk> hi. i have a problem using german umlauts in my console (xterm and tty). Only strange characters are displayed. whats wrong?
[12:58] <oG|Tobias-GG> Hmm, when trying to check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log i get "Permission denied". What should I do to be able to read it?
[12:58] <Toba> I downloaded that from mozilla
[12:58] <cafuego_> dreumah: Then I dunno.
[12:58] <rdw200169> the new preview of breezy is awesome
[12:58] <apokryphos> Toba: how is the package "broken"?
[12:58] <Toba> but it wouldn't install because 1.0.6 was here
[12:58] <Toba> apokryphos: I'm getting to that
[12:59] <apokryphos> Toba: you downloaded the pack from mozilla?
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: you're on Hoary?
[12:59] <Toba> so I did "apt-get remove firefox" which removed some other stuff based on dependencies
[12:59] <Toba> yes hoary
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: and you used a backport from Breezy?
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Seveas, thx for your help, but its still not working. where can the problem be located?
[12:59] <Toba> ...what?
[12:59] <crimsun> Toba: that should tell you something.
[12:59] <apokryphos> Toba: 1.06 is broken in backports
[12:59] <Toba> aha!
[12:59] <Toba> I need to get out of backports and do an update then?
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> here are the 2 lines of the auth.log file
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Sep 23 00:56:49 localhost gdm[1180] : (pam_unix) session opened for user myuser by (uid=0)
[12:59] <GoRoDeK> Sep 23 00:56:49 localhost gdm[1180] : (pam_unix) session closed for user myuser
[12:59] <crimsun> you would need to dist-upgrade to Breezy if you wanted Ubuntu's 1.0.7
[01:00] <Lars_G> he downloaded from mozilla I doubt he got it from backports.
[01:00] <crimsun> I do not recommend plopping Breezy's 1.0.7 into Hoary
[01:00] <dreumah> cafuego_ so it should just work plug and play
[01:00] <dreumah> ??
[01:00] <Toba> crimsun: this has nothing to do with 1.0.7
[01:00] <Toba> not from breezy anyway
[01:00] <Lars_G> I think it's more related to the fact he used remove instead of purge... but that is me.
[01:00] <Toba> I downloaded the installer from mozilla.org
[01:00] <cafuego_> dreumah: Dunno, my iPod does... just gets detected as disk ands shows up on the desktop.
[01:00] <Toba> not anything to do with breezy
[01:00] <dv_> why did you use apt-get and not synaptic?
[01:00] <apokryphos> Toba: disable backports, sudo aptitude purge firefox (or mozilla-firefox), sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude install mozilla-firefo
[01:00] <cafuego_> Toba: So why would it be a Ubuntu problem then, if you're not using Ubuntu software?
[01:00] <Toba> how can I tell if I'm in backports?
[01:01] <crimsun> Toba: erm, when you mix upstream's stuff with packaged stuff, expect things to break.
[01:01] <apokryphos> dv_: doesn't really matter
[01:01] <Toba> which repository is it?
[01:01] <erUSUL> dv_: is indiferent
[01:01] <apokryphos> Toba: disable the one that says backports
[01:01] <Toba> ok, I guess sources.list is no the best method
[01:01] <apokryphos> Toba: and the one that says hoary-updates
[01:01] <dv_> ok, i must admit the purge/remove issue is can be really confusing at first
[01:01] <dv_> -is
[01:01] <dreumah> hi i have a rio carbon 5 gig and i was wondering how i can access it in ubuntu
[01:02] <oG|Tobias-GG> Anyone who have any idea of why I can not install the initrd-tools package? When installing the ground system I just get an error message.
[01:02] <Beryllium> dreumah: If you plug it in, doesn't it just open as a USB device in /media/?
[01:02] <crimsun> it's not really confusing. Purge removes conffiles. Remove doesn't.
[01:02] <apokryphos> dv_: just bear in mind that Synaptic is purely a GUI front-end to apt; it's all the same at the back.
[01:02] <dv_> dreumah, how is it accessed in windows? like a usb data storage device?
[01:02] <oG|Tobias-GG> What could I do to make it work?
[01:02] <dv_> or with some special software?
[01:02] <apokryphos> dv_: man pages are good :)
[01:02] <dv_> apokryphos, true.
[01:02] <Octane> i just removed all openoffice packages.. how can i ensure they're all gone
[01:02] <Octane> (using aptitude)
[01:02] <Octane> gone from cache as well
[01:02] <dv_> BUT synaptic is a lot better for people who do not want to dig through manpages
[01:02] <mindframe> where does breezy put the source to the kernel?
[01:03] <Lars_G> /usr/src I hope
[01:03] <mindframe> lol no
[01:03] <dreumah> Beryllium no it doesnt
[01:03] <Lars_G> no?
[01:03] <dv_> and apokryphos, requiring people to dig through several partly obscure manpages is really not very user friendly
[01:03] <cafuego_> Octane: 'apt-cache clean'
[01:03] <dreumah> dv_ iin eindows it just opens as you said, data storage device
[01:03] <mindframe> does it just install a pre-compiled image like i think it does?
[01:03] <dv_> thats why I would have used synaptic
[01:03] <Octane> cafuego_: anything else
[01:03] <apokryphos> dv_: I really don't think they're that obscure, if you learn basics
[01:03] <Octane> besides cleaning my debs
[01:03] <Lars_G> dv_: Yeah, requiring people to buy books and dig thorough them is so much friendlier.
[01:03] <cafuego_> Octane: Config files?
[01:04] <apokryphos> dv_: I view them in Konqueror, anyhow; very pretty there :)
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Holy fuck, konqueror has a man page handler?
[01:04] <Octane> cafuego_ its actually apt-get clean all
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Why didn't you say so before? Nirvana! Nirvana! has come!
[01:04] <dv_> it shouldnt involve books or manpages.
[01:04] <apokryphos> Lars_G: a kioslave, yes. man:command or #command -- yes. Has special styles; very good :)
[01:04] <chavo> Lars_G, man:/
[01:04] <cafuego_> Octane: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs sudo dpkg -P
[01:04] <mindframe> where does breezy put the source to the kernel?
[01:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: To be fail konqueror has so many kioslaves it takes to days to try them all
[01:05] <chavo> I like locate:/
[01:05] <cafuego_> Octane: yep, 'apt-get clean'  ( I get confused this early in the morning)
[01:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: help:/kioslave has most :P
[01:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Thanks sir.
[01:05] <chavo> and coffee:/ is pretty nice
[01:05] <Toba> thanks guys
[01:05] <Lars_G> coffee:/ ??
[01:05] <Toba> it worked
[01:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: you can view any doc/handbook using the help kioslave. i.e. help:konqueror
[01:05] <dv_> just some remove button for easy, safe uninstalling. thats what most users want.
[01:05] <Toba> actually wait
[01:05] <Toba> it didn't
[01:05] <Toba> fuck
[01:05] <mello6> does anyone know of a way to play iTunes Store files in Ubuntu?
[01:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Nice.
[01:05] <Toba> md5sum failed
[01:06] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Does it has an info kioslave as well?
[01:06] <apokryphos> Toba: did you follow my instructions?
[01:06] <Seveas> yegh, kioslaves
[01:06] <Toba> yes
[01:06] <Seveas> such a bad idea...
[01:06] <apokryphos> Lars_G: a what?
[01:06] <Toba> I removed backports and 5.04 updates
[01:06] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Info... info kioslave.....
[01:06] <apokryphos> Seveas: amazing idea :)
[01:06] <apokryphos> indeed
[01:06] <Toba> yeah, it was just random corruption
[01:06] <Toba> it worked this time
[01:06] <Seveas> well, the idea behind hidning stuff behind urls is great
[01:06] <erUSUL> Seveas: just as bad as gnome-vfs ... ;)
[01:06] <Determinist> i think i need eye replacements
[01:06] <Seveas> the implementation/technique used sucks
[01:07] <cafuego_> Determinist: outside
[01:07] <dreumah> right i have it working now
[01:07] <dreumah> thanks anyways
[01:07] <dv_> Seveas, because.... ?
[01:08] <Determinist> almost ran into some truck on the highway on the way home at 130kmph... i seriously need to have my eyes checked... that, or more sleeping hours
[01:08] <dv_> kioslaves work great here
[01:08] <apokryphos> dv_: delusional, of course :P
[01:08] <mello6> does anyone know of a way to play iTunes Store files in Ubuntu?
[01:08] <Versed> talking about itunes, I wonder if they could get apple to write a linux version of itunes.
[01:08] <AlexMBas> hello
[01:08] <mello6> =/
[01:08] <mello6> no joke
[01:08] <crimsun> mello6: just play or buy?
[01:08] <mello6> bought
[01:08] <rdw200169> any idea why sudo won't work in the breezy badger preview??
[01:08] <AlexMBas> does anyone knows how to load drivers on ubuntu expert installation?
[01:08] <Lars_G> Ahh seveas went again?
[01:08] <mello6> AACs work perfectly
[01:08] <Versed> shouldn't be too hard, since it's already somewhat bsd based.
[01:08] <crimsun> mello6: no, I mean do you want to play files or do you want to BUY them under Linux?
[01:08] <mello6> yep
[01:08] <mello6> gotcha
[01:08] <kataklsym> hmm why do i get a gcc command not found when i try to make something?
[01:08] <mello6> play
[01:09] <cafuego_> kataklsym; Coz gcc isn't installed?
[01:09] <crimsun> mello6: I use jHymn to strip the DRM and vlc to play them.
[01:09] <cafuego_> kataklsym:  What are you building?
[01:09] <Lars_G> kataklsym: Lets see.... possibly gcc is not installed?
[01:09] <mello6> is that on windows or linux?
[01:09] <mello6> jHymn
[01:09] <crimsun> mello6: both. It's Java-based.
[01:09] <kataklsym> i installed that essential thing
[01:09] <kataklsym> does gcc not come with it?
[01:09] <mello6> ah, thanks man
[01:09] <flodine> hello
[01:09] <Lars_G> ahh the essential thing.
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> gcc is in build-essential
[01:09] <Lars_G> it's so... essential.
[01:10] <kataklsym> well
[01:10] <crimsun> mello6: I run jHymn under win32, though
[01:10] <kataklsym> build essential
[01:10] <kataklsym> i couldnt remember the name of it
[01:10] <cafuego_> kataklsym: Did you also get 'checkinstall' ?
[01:10] <flodine> what happen to ubuntu 5.04  starter guide gone
[01:10] <kataklsym> cafuego: no
[01:10] <flodine> everyone on breezy now
[01:10] <cafuego_> kataklsym: Then before doing anything else, check wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[01:10] <kataklsym> hmm it says it is trying to use gcc 3.4
[01:12] <AlexMBas> does anyone here uses HighPoint RocketRAID boars on Ubuntu?
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yes
[01:12] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: read the raid faq :)
[01:13] <Lars_G> Well, It seems Seveas is gone for good
[01:13] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, which raid faq?
[01:13] <AlexMBas> on wiki.ubuntu?
[01:13] <GoRoDeK> i have a problem with loging into a gnome session using gdm. also a new created user cannot get in. where the problem can be located?
[01:14] <paul124897>  /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK
[01:14] <paul124897> :(
[01:14] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, do you use RAID1?
[01:15] <paul124897> got that when doing perl -MCPAN -e "install XML::DOM"
[01:15] <paul124897> any ideas how i can fix it?
[01:15] <paul124897> (ps, im a n00b) ;;)
[01:15] <mindframe> does anyone know if ubuntu installs the source to the kernel in case is needs to be used?  if so where?
[01:15] <crimsun> did you install build-essential, paul124897?
[01:16] <rdw200169> does anyone else have sudo/su problems in breezy???
[01:16] <shinu> is there any program that suppoerts ipods?
[01:16] <crimsun> paul124897: of course you know that that's avoidable: sudo aptitude install libxml-dom-perl
[01:16] <shinu> like an itunes for linux? :)
[01:16] <paul124897> yes crimsun
[01:17] <crimsun> mindframe: not by default. Why do you need the source? Do the headers not suffice?
[01:17] <paul124897> thanks crimsun, will try that way
[01:17] <mindframe> crimsun, im trying to compile a newer version of ndiswrapper that i cant find a package for and it needs the kernel source for some reason
[01:19] <paul124897> thanks, nzbperl works now
[01:20] <crimsun> mindframe: I'm pretty sure you only need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:20] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, the how-to I have found on ubuntu forum does not say anything on how to install a system on RAID0 or RAID1, it says a lot on how to get RAID 1 or RAID 0 on installed system
[01:20] <AlexMBas> is it the right how-to?
[01:20] <Seveas> grmbl, my xchat now is really messed up...
[01:21] <ouroboros> Hey, if anyone knows a bit about cedega. I get this when trying to run a standard fan patch on the drive: /.transgaming/c_drive/Program Files/Origin Systems/Ultima IX # cedega u9name.exe
[01:21] <ouroboros> For language 'en' several language ids were found:
[01:21] <ouroboros> en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09;
[01:21] <ouroboros> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define
[01:21] <ouroboros> your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US
[01:21] <ouroboros> Warning: unprotecting the first 64KB of memory to allow real-mode calls.
[01:21] <robotgeek> Seveas: irssi :)
[01:21] <ouroboros>          NULL pointer accesses will no longer be caught.
[01:21] <ouroboros> ack
[01:21] <robotgeek> ouroboros: pastebin!!
[01:21] <Beryllium> Our Rob or Ross
[01:21] <ouroboros> my busy
[01:21] <robotgeek> Seveas: right click hate!
[01:22] <Area_Man> hello
[01:22] <GoRoDeK> hi Area_Man
[01:22] <Area_Man> hi GoRoDeK
[01:22] <Area_Man> have a question
[01:22] <AlexMBas> does annyone here have ubuntu installed on a RAID array?
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> I do
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> to install on a raid drive
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> you can configure it all in the installer
[01:24] <AlexMBas> ???
[01:24] <AlexMBas> breezy or hoary?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> both
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> hell I did it on warty :)
[01:24] <AlexMBas> I am on hoary expert mode
[01:24] <Area_Man> i just installed ubuntu on my old laptop and it recognized my pcmcia ethernet card fine, but it seems to balk at my wireless card. it is a netgear wg511. any ideas?
[01:24] <jrattner1> ubuntu kills my laptop battery...
[01:24] <AlexMBas> nad have found nothing
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> !wireless
[01:24] <ubotu> wireless is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:24] <AlexMBas> but Software RAID
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> your raid card isn't
[01:25] <robotgeek> Area_Man: off the top of my head, it should just work
[01:26] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, yeah, I know
[01:26] <Area_Man> kzm, thanks robotgeek
[01:26] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I owe you one
[01:26] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, the raid options you told me on install are on server mode?
[01:26] <madcowmad> hey can someone help me install something? pure ubuntu/linux noob
[01:26] <apokryphos> Lars_G: USD will do (even though I'd prefer GBPs)
[01:27] <robotgeek> Area_Man: automagically depends on whether yours was made in taiwan or in china. just follow the links in the wiki
[01:27] <dooglus> I alway run my laptop from the mains, never from the battery.  after about a year of doing this, the battery stopped working.  is that to be expected?
[01:27] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Dream on, I am broke and I still need to buy parts for the car.
[01:27] <Area_Man> ok, it's a chinese one
[01:27] <apokryphos> haha
[01:27] <Lars_G> apokryphos: But you can feel yourself usefull :) the man kioslave is a blessing
[01:28] <shadeofgrey> macow: what do u need to install?
[01:28] <Area_Man> kripes
[01:29] <Area_Man> ndiswrapper
[01:29] <shadeofgrey> madcowmad:  what do you need help with?
[01:29] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB I am trying to load the hpt374 drivers from floppy, but it states that the floppy is not compatible
[01:29] <AlexMBas> it is the redhat driver floppy
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: do not bother
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: use it as an IDE controller
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a raid controller
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the raid options are there even on basic mode
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> the drivers you want to install are nothing more than binary software raid drivers
[01:30] <AlexMBas> ??
[01:30] <AlexMBas> so, what should I do?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> use software raid
[01:30] <AlexMBas> I have set up raid 1 on hpt bios
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> the card should be detected as an IDE controller
[01:31] <AlexMBas> should I undo it?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[01:31] <AlexMBas> hmmm
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> just set it to appear as disks
[01:31] <AlexMBas> ok
[01:31] <AlexMBas> and I should use software raid instead
[01:31] <AlexMBas> ok
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[01:32] <AlexMBas> I thought RocketRAID boards had RAID engine onboard
[01:32] <AlexMBas> so I was pretty wrong about it
[01:32] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thank you very much
[01:32] <AlexMBas> very very much
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: no worries :)
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yeah IDE raid controllers are almost all software
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> and those that aren't are 'accelerators' and are usually not well supported
[01:33] <mindframe> is there something similar to rfswitch for ubuntu?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> if you want a real raid card, it'll cost you some serious $, an adaptec or 3ware SATA raid card
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> but for the most part software IDE raid is fine
[01:33] <robotgeek> mindframe: what is rfswitch?
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> mindframe: what does rfswitch do
[01:34] <mindframe> rfswitch.sourceforge.net
[01:34] <mello6> crimsun - i just scrubbed all those m4p files
[01:34] <mello6> thanks =]
[01:34] <mindframe> i think this is the reason my onboard wifi isnt working.  there is one of those retarded switches on this laptop that turns the wifi on / off.
[01:35] <mindframe> i hit it and it does nothing in linux
[01:35] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, one last question, hoary supports booting from a software RAID partition?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> AlexMBas: yes
[01:36] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB cool
[01:36] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thanks again
[01:36] <robotgeek> mindframe: this is the first time i've seen anything similiar to this, but i guess u can compile it on your own
[01:37] <mindframe> robotgeek, im out of clues as to why the wireless wont work on this laptop
[01:37] <robotgeek> mindframe: what wireless card
[01:37] <mindframe> mini-pci broadcom bcm4306 rev3
[01:38] <Trilobite> hi guys, i've just installed ubuntu as a dual boot with winxp, transferred my files across from the windows to the linux partition, and then to free up space i wanted to shrink my windows partition, which i did, but qtparted won't let me expand the linux partition to fill the space, leaving a big useless gap on my hard disk. any ideas?
[01:38] <mindframe> everything is detected
[01:38] <mindframe> it just becomes dumb when trying to contact a wide open network
[01:38] <robotgeek> mindframe: ndiswrapper?
[01:38] <crimsun> Trilobite: you can't expand the beginning of an ext[23]  partition backward
[01:38] <esac_> is anybody else running breezy and vmware 5.0 ?
[01:39] <crimsun> Trilobite: using parted-based tools, that is
[01:39] <mindframe> robotgeek, affirmative
[01:39] <crimsun> Trilobite: if you want to do that, you need to use Partition Magic
[01:39] <Trilobite> ok
[01:39] <Coster> hi
[01:39] <mindframe> robotgeek, looks like someone made a driver for the "acer hotkey" - going to try it out
[01:39] <newbies_ubuntu> i have scsi card and hp surestore DAT40.  How do i configure with ubuntu ? thanks
[01:39] <robotgeek> mindframe: kk
[01:39] <Trilobite> there's nothing else i can do then? because i thought perhaps i could move the partition back and expand at the end of it, but it wouldn't let me do that either
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> newbies_ubuntu: it should Just Work
[01:40] <AlexMBas> HrdwrBoB, thank you very much again
[01:40] <newbies_ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: how can i check it ?
[01:40] <AlexMBas> I have to reboot now ...
[01:40] <AlexMBas> see you later folks
[01:40] <Coster> I got a dell latitude 110l, and switched the video driver from vesa to i810... ever since, any MPEG movie I play shows up weird
[01:40] <shadeofgrey> i need help guys
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> i just installed mplayer for mozilla
[01:41] <esac_> anybody running with a sony vaio with ultrabright ? i would like to get it working in linux
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> whats the name of the package i need for win32codecs?
[01:41] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: w32codecs
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> esac:  you'll loose a lot of your apecialty hardware
[01:41] <shadeofgrey> apokryphos:  whats the source i need to get it from?
[01:42] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: check the PM ubotu just sent you
[01:42] <esac_> shadeofgrey: bah, i shouldn't have to lose it :)
[01:42] <macarthy> ubuntu newbie question: I have added some smb share to my  places menu, but they don't show up oin my save/open dialogs, am i doing something stupid?
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> how do i properly put that in my sources.list file
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> ?
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> deb seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:42] <shadeofgrey> ?
[01:42] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: are you on breezy?
[01:43] <shadeofgrey> apok:  yessir
[01:43] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: go to the link suggested
[01:45] <macarthy> ubuntu newbie question: I have added some smb shares to my  places menu, but they don't show up in my save/open dialogs, am i doing something stupid?
[01:46] <zrothe> what do you think (http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/9219/getubuntu8dc.gif)
[01:47] <zrothe> ?
[01:47] <windex> macarthy, only some applications support it
[01:47] <macarthy> bugger
[01:47] <shadeofgrey> hey listen...  THANK YOU - everybody who makes ubuntu and this channel possible.  i am SO GLAD i grew some bigger balls and got out of a windows world.  ill never ever go back
[01:47] <apokryphos> zrothe: too big for those little things (that go on webpages)
[01:47] <Seveas> shadeofgrey :)
[01:47] <apokryphos> but cool
[01:48] <apokryphos> shadeofgrey: heh, good to hear :)
[01:48] <macarthy> windex: I googled, read something about a NEW dialog, is that the one that supports it?
[01:48] <zrothe> apok, you mean its to large pixel wise?
[01:48] <esac_> shadeofgrey: thats nice, but i guarantee you'll go back at least once or twice before finally sticking to it
[01:48] <apokryphos> zrothe: size-wise, yes (bigger than the standard)... lemme grab an example
[01:48] <macarthy> windex: is there a standard application that supports it? so I can see it in action?
[01:49] <zrothe> firefox is 5 pixels taller
[01:49] <zrothe> I made it the same length
[01:49] <zrothe> something to go by anyway
[01:49] <zrothe> or 3 px taller
[01:49] <dooglus> does "display" work in breezy?
[01:49] <kataklsym> has anyone here gotten the gyach-enhanced to work with ubuntu?
[01:49] <apokryphos> zrothe: firefox what?
[01:49] <shadeofgrey> esac:  you underestimate my resolve...  i  doused all my windows CD's and $500 worth of microsoft office CD's in lighterfluid and burned them in my front yard yesterday.
[01:49] <zrothe> 'get firefox' logos
[01:50] <apokryphos> zrothe: I'm not sure what you're trying to make, but an example fo the size: http://www.canllaith.org/
[01:50] <kataklsym> i had a problem in RHEL where it just closed out unexpectedly, same thing happens in ubuntu
[01:50] <esac_> oh great, its kataklsym
[01:50] <kataklsym> esac: yea and i fixed my xorg.conf too :D
[01:50] <esac_> kataklsym: without reinstalling i hope ?
[01:50] <kataklsym> correct
[01:50] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: no way! didn't ya?
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> i blew my xorg.conf to hell last night and had to redo my entire instaallation from scratch
[01:51] <esac_> kataklsym: ok then i forgive you :)
[01:51] <kataklsym> lol
[01:51] <kataklsym> it was a bug in breezy
[01:51] <kataklsym> the updates messed up the xorg.conf
[01:51] <esac_> shadeofgrey: always back up before f*ck with something that you don't know 100% .. heck even then always backup
[01:51] <kataklsym> and i had updated but not restarted x
[01:51] <kataklsym> and when i did the v4l thing i got the bug
[01:51] <kataklsym> heh
[01:51] <neighborlee> is it actually possible to do a 'upgrade' from hoary > breezy or is it best to just alter sources.list to breezy and dist-ugrade ?
[01:51] <P229> is there an off-the-record encryption package for ubuntu?
[01:51] <dooglus> would a breezy user please try "display" and tell me if it complains of missing fonts?
[01:51] <shadeofgrey> IcemanV9:  way!  they burned well....  very very well with enough encouragement.
[01:51] <esac_> kataklsym: i was trying to tell you that, you wouldn't listen :)
[01:52] <kataklsym> esac_: i listened to u, it was someone else in here trying to tell me that i could do this and do that and i might get it fixed, when that wasnt the case
[01:52] <kataklsym> heh
[01:52] <esac_> dooglus: do i need to apt-get display first ?
[01:52] <neighborlee> I mean as in with the new preview release CD
[01:52] <shadeofgrey> esac_:  the absence of backups forced me to really learn how to do it...  =)  i redid the whole installation in .... 3 hours or so
[01:52] <dooglus> esac_: it comes with ubuntu
[01:52] <esac_> kataklsym: yeah its nice when the whole class thinks they are the teacher :)
[01:52] <dooglus> esac_: part of the 'imagemagick' package
[01:52] <kataklsym> finally: i just went to my ubuntu machine, and done a bunch of shit, til it worked
[01:52] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: ha. i dumped windows 5 months ago. :) did NOT missed it at all.
[01:53] <kataklsym> plus i got my v4l / webcam working too
[01:53] <kataklsym> people in here were giving me up the road yesterday
[01:53] <kataklsym> lol
[01:53] <dooglus> esac_: it should be in /usr/bin
[01:53] <esac_> dooglus: i'll try to give it a shot, my proxy server at work isn't liking my linux laptop for some reason
[01:53] <boxerboy29> i dont miss it either its just hard to explain to ppl linux does same thing as winblows but when you go to transfering files and stuff its different
[01:53] <IcemanV9> shadeofgrey: i use rsync to backup my stuff
[01:53] <shadeofgrey> ALL I want to know now is...  is it possible to use the 30" apple cinema display assuming i install a nvidia 7800 card?
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> whats rsync?
[01:54] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: of course
[01:54] <IcemanV9> man rsync :P
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> i really want to encrypt  my shit...  and all my email and stuff too
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> is it possible to encrypt irc sessions?
[01:54] <shadeofgrey> with ubuntu?
[01:54] <mindframe> how do i print my kernel version?
[01:54] <kataklsym> anyway, now everything is workin ok, except im on a mission to find a yahoo messenger client that supports webcam viewing/sending, and works in ubuntu
[01:54] <Seveas> uname -r
[01:54] <esac_> dooglus: i just ran display and it seems to work .. pops up the program and a file dialog
[01:55] <dooglus> shadeofgrey: IRC doesn't use an encrypted protocol.  you can encrypt your logfiles if that's what you mean
[01:55] <Seveas> ^-- mindframe
[01:55] <dooglus> esac_: thanks.  must be me then.
[01:55] <dooglus> esac_: out of interest, what does "xlsfonts | wc -l" tell you?
[01:55] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: WWVzLCBidXQgdGhlbiBub2JvZHkgY2FuIHJlYWQgd2hhdCB5b3UncmUgc2F5aW5nLg==
[01:55] <cafuego_> shadeofgrey: So I doubt it's actually useful.
[01:55] <boxerboy29> kataklsyn: i think your gonna have to use 2 different programs for that
[01:55] <kataklsym> wine?
[01:56] <esac_> dooglus: 2937 .. i installed 4 or 5 others too
[01:56] <Seveas> cafuego, base64 isn't encryption ;)
[01:56] <kataklsym> boxxerboy29: like what?
[01:56] <cafuego_> Seveas: it is too!
[01:56] <Seveas> nope
[01:56] <esac_> cafuego_: what are you talking about, i can read what you are saying
[01:56] <cafuego_> Seveas: Not a very good one, but still.
[01:56] <Seveas> merely encoding
[01:56] <boxerboy29> i know there is a yahoo messenger for ubuntu other than gaim but i dont know if it supports ccamming
[01:57] <kataklsym> probably kopete or something
[01:57] <kataklsym> which doesnt
[01:57] <boxerboy29> theres a .deb download on yahoo site
[01:57] <kataklsym> gaim-vv supports viewing of webcam but not broadcasting
[01:57] <cafuego_> Inefay thenpay, I'll otspay.
[01:57] <apokryphos> kataklsym: it does, actually (in 3.5)
[01:57] <kataklsym> boxerboy29: that yahoo client sux, the yahoo for linux
[01:57] <boxerboy29> yes so ive heard
[01:58] <boxerboy29> i use gaim for yahoo and aim
[01:58] <apokryphos> svn at least, actually; will have to verify the 3.5
[01:58] <esac_> cafuego_: V org lbh pna'g ernq jung v'z fnlvat!
[01:58] <kataklsym> spokyrphos: what do u mean?
[01:58] <kataklsym> u talking about kopete? or what?
[01:58] <moro> euskaldunik?
[01:58] <Seveas> esac_, english please :p
[01:58] <cafuego_> where does rot13 live again?
[01:58] <apokryphos> kataklsym: yes
[01:58] <Seveas> cafuego_, rot26 is easier
[01:58] <esac_> Seveas: that was english, just rot13
[01:58] <Gobbla> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=68322
[01:58] <Gobbla> anyone?
[01:59] <Seveas> esac_, looked like klingon to me ;(
[01:59] <Seveas> ;)
[01:59] <kataklsym> apokryphos:  is it on the repos?
[01:59] <cafuego_> Or maybe english backwards, that's safe enough against most scrip kiddies.
[01:59] <apokryphos> kataklsym: 3.5 is, but I'll have to verify that, as I said
[02:00] <cafuego_> Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'Lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn
[02:00] <esac_> .. /pircs/tpircs/s
[02:00] <cafuego_> should it be backslash rather then slash in right-to-left? ;-)
[02:00] <kataklsym> im installing kopete anyway, i will see what it does
[02:00] <esac_> cafuego_: lol you are probably right !
[02:00] <Seveas> _oguefac, _esac, can we get back on topic please...
[02:01] <cafuego_> Seveas: dad ykao.
[02:02] <mindframe> how can i view the kernel config in ubuntu?
[02:02] <cafuego_> mindframe: zcat /proc/config.gz
[02:03] <mindframe> cafuego, that does no exist
[02:03] <Seveas> mindframe, or less /boot/config*
[02:03] <zrothe> how about now? http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5152/getubuntu4jc.gif
[02:03] <kataklsym> apokryphos: kopete 3.5??? the version on the repository is 0.10.3
[02:03] <apokryphos> kataklsym: kubuntu.org
[02:03] <cafuego_> mindframe: Did you compile your own kernel or use a preinstalled one?
[02:04] <mindframe> cafuego, pre-installed.  i found it in /boot
[02:05] <enntee> cafuego_: yesterday you suggested i try installing ugidd for my nfs problems... so i put map_daemon into /etc/exports and installed ugidd, but I get an error "Unsupported mapping" when restarting nfs.. any thoughts?
[02:05] <cafuego_> goodbye, hours of work.
[02:06] <cafuego_> enntee: using nfs-kernel-server?
[02:06] <enntee> cafuego_: yep
[02:06] <cafuego_> enntee: use nfs-user-server for ugidd
[02:06] <enntee> cafuego_: ah, thanks.
[02:06] <kataklsym> apokryphos: where at on there?
[02:06] <apokryphos> kataklsym: 3.5 beta 1 packages
[02:06] <Nomad_1> Hey All
[02:09] <apokryphos> hi Nomad_1 :)
[02:10] <Nomad_1> apokryphos, how are things going?
[02:11] <apokryphos> Pretty excellent, yup :)
[02:11] <apokryphos> Nomad_1: you?
[02:11] <bagawk> I have vanilla kernel source (not the ubuntu, this is from kernel.org), and when I config I have all the options set as the ubuntu default. Why is that? ANd how to fix?
[02:12] <Nomad_1> apokryphos, Not bad at all mate. Glad to hear you're doing so good.
[02:12] <Nomad_1> s`a
[02:12] <Nomad_1> ^<---- that's my cat saying hi :-p
[02:12] <apokryphos> hola!
[02:12] <apokryphos> =)
[02:13] <bob2> bagawk: because the kernel build system got the options from /boot/
[02:13] <bob2> bagawk: if you really think you know better, "rm .config ; touch .config", then menuconfig
[02:13] <bagawk> bob2, Ahh
[02:14] <bagawk> bob2, I do know better, I came from slackware, and built a number of kernels ;)
[02:14] <Nomad_1> Is Gnome considered a Window Manager? Or are things like fluxbox run on top of gnome?
[02:14] <bagawk> Nomad_1, Desktop
[02:14] <ed_> hey, i'm on an hp laptop omnibook 6000, and i was wondering how to shut off touchpad-tapping (to click)
[02:14] <chavo> Nomad_1, gnome is a DE, metacity is the window manager
[02:15] <bagawk> Nomad_1, GNOME does have its own window manager, although you can replace it with flux box..
[02:15] <kataklsym> apokryphos: the kopete on there is the same one that i had in my repos already
[02:15] <apokryphos> kataklsym: hm, kdenetwork 3.5 beta 1 must not be packaged yet then
[02:15] <boxerboy29> cant go into aim chat rooms with kopete :(
[02:15] <Nomad_1> Cool bagawk and chavo, thanks
[02:16] <ed_> |maddox|: not _THE_ maddox, right? maddox.xmission.net?
[02:17] <lnical> Hi.  I've been trying to install Ubuntu but the final part of the install where the debs are unpacked fails every time at different points.
[02:17] <Nomad_1> Another random question.... anyone here read CPU magezine?
[02:17] <kataklsym> well if its kde beta u know they arent gonna package it with a beta version of ubuntu /kubuntu
[02:17] <Nomad_1> lnical, What medium are you installing from?
[02:17] <Deekin> Nomad: I've seen it before, but haven't really read it, which basically equates to a useless answer :)
[02:18] <ed_> hey, does anyone know how to shut off touchpad clicking by tapping it?
[02:18] <boxerboy29> lnical: did you download and burn it? or get it from ubuntu.com?
[02:18] <lnical> I've installed from the pressed Hoary CDs, a netboot CD and a burnt Breezy RC cd.
[02:19] <lnical> The pressed live CD works fine.
[02:19] <boxerboy29> lnical it happens on all of those?
[02:19] <lnical> I think it is the IDE Controller.
[02:19] <lnical> Yes, every one.
[02:19] <boxerboy29> knical: bad ide ribbon?
[02:19] <Nomad_1> lnical, that suggests something's wrong with your hardware..... and I wouldn't know the first place to look for trouble like that.
[02:20] <bob2> might be worth giving your ram a hammer with memtest86
[02:20] <bob2> just t rule it out
[02:20] <Nomad_1> Unless you have an old linux install that isn't completely removed when you try to install Ubuntu and thus conflicts with the package installations.
[02:20] <lnical> I have a SIS 735 Chipset motherboard.  It uses the sis5513 driver.  I've read some where it has UDMA privkens,
[02:20] <bob2> Nomad_1: ubuntu creates a new filesystem before installing
[02:20] <lnical> UDMA problems.
[02:20] <bob2> I'm not even sure how yo ucould avoid doing that
[02:20] <bob2> well, I am, but it's not somehting youd do by accident
[02:21] <Nomad_1> bob2, Thanks .... didn't know that :).
[02:21] <lnical> I always delete existing partitions.  I have used multiple HDDs and multiple CD rom drives and different IDE cables.
[02:21] <kataklsym> anyone in here ever watch any of the revision3.com stuff?
[02:22] <boxerboy29> lnical they are all putting same output error?
[02:22] <lnical> This machine has had a Redhat 9 install on it a couple of years ago.
[02:22] <robotgeek> kataklsym: offtopic banter is welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:22] <lnical> Same error, different locations.
[02:22] <lnical> server install also fails.
[02:22] <bob2> lnical: has anything else installed on it successfully lately?
[02:23] <lnical> Honestly, no.  I haven't tried anything else in a while.   The Live CD works fine on it though.
[02:23] <brownie17> does anybody know if there is a netpune plugin for linux?
[02:24] <boxerboy29> lnical: ubuntu going on same hd as redhat?
[02:24] <bob2> lnical: the live cd isn't going to be hitting the hard disk, tho
[02:24] <bob2> brownie17: what would that do?
[02:24] <lnical> No, brand new hard drive in it now.  The redhat installation was removed.
[02:24] <brownie17> bob2, so i can use activex controls in mozilla
[02:25] <bob2> haha
[02:25] <bob2> no
[02:25] <brownie17> bob2, why the laugh?
[02:25] <lnical> bob2: I think I did a userLinux netinstall a while ago.  It went fine.
[02:26] <boxerboy29> lnical: if the live cd works than your cd player is fine it sounds like maybe a bad spot or misconfigured hd
[02:26] <brownie17> bob2, what's funny? i don't get it!
[02:26] <boxerboy29> brownie activex are microsoft
[02:26] <nalioth> brownie17: activeX doesnt work with linux
[02:26] <bob2> brownie17: I hope mozilla never gets the ability to run random untrusted code on my system
[02:27] <lnical> bob2:  Yes, the LiveCD wouldn't access the hard drive normally.  I have the LiveCD in now and the HDD mounted up.
[02:27] <bob2> lnical: right, but not nearly as much as installing would. could you try running bonnie++ agaoinst the hard disk from the live cd?
[02:27] <brownie17> bob2, haha, i guess you're right. i wanted it because pcpitstop told me i needed it to test my comp, and if i don't test my comp my account will expire
[02:27] <taseal> selam
[02:28] <lnical> bob2: I looked in var/log/messages and didn't see anything unusual.
[02:28] <bob2> brownie17: have to try IE in wine or something
[02:28] <bob2> lnical: how about in "dmesg"?
[02:28] <lnical> bob2:  Nothing stands out.
[02:29] <test34> why when ubuntu install a new kernel it removes the OS you manually added to grub ? is that a bug in breezy ?
[02:29] <dooglus> does breezy install "xfs", the X font server, by default?
[02:29] <crimsun> dooglus: no
[02:29] <bob2> lnical: I'd try bonnie++ then
[02:29] <dooglus> crimsun: I can't get gdm to run without xfs any more.  do you know how to?
[02:29] <bob2> test34: no, you didn't read the documentation in menu.lst properly
[02:29] <RJ_Not_ajay> any1 have trouble with the acx100 driver on 5.10?
[02:29] <bob2> dooglus: gdm runs fine without it
[02:29] <brownie17> bob2, nah not worth it, IE=crap. although apparently IE loads images %30 faster!!
[02:30] <boxerboy29> lnical: what type of harddrive is it?
[02:30] <lnical> bob2:  Where is bonnie++ located?
[02:30] <crimsun> dooglus: font path problem? Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:30] <bob2> test34: it will overwrite much of the file; if you want something in there manually, you need to add it to the right section
[02:30] <dooglus> crimsun: ok.
[02:30] <test34> bob2, I added it with the System - Administration - Boot GUI tool..
[02:31] <lnical> boxerboy29:  The current drive is a brand new 200GB Samsung, the bios and linux recognize it correctly as 200 GB.  I had an older 30 GB Maxtor in it before
[02:31] <bob2> test34: maybe it's broken then
[02:31] <bob2> lnical: you'll need to install it
[02:32] <dreumah> hi what do i install to beable to watch dvds?
[02:32] <brownie17> !tell brownie17 about dma
[02:33] <boxerboy29> mplayer allows you to watch dvds no?
[02:33] <boman_> Yup, but without menu support.
[02:34] <RJ_Not_ajay> any1 use a acx100 wireless card in ubuntu 5.10?
[02:34] <teddy_> salu
[02:34] <lnical> bob2:  Package is installed.  I've not used it before.  How do I use it?
[02:34] <bimberi> dreumah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:34] <boxerboy29> im sure if he looks through synaptic he can fine like 30 of them
[02:35] <boxerboy29> mplayer is the one that popuped up
[02:35] <boxerboy29> poped up
[02:35] <dreumah> i tried the wiki, but i didnt get any smarter from that
[02:35] <Ninjew> Hey, does anybody use opera 8.5 on a 64bit install?
[02:36] <dooglus> crimsun: wow, that was a lot of questions...
[02:36] <boxerboy29> ninjew: not sure if this is same on 64 and 32 but i understand that opera 8.5 doesnt do well on breezy
[02:37] <Ninjew> boxerboy29: I've got Opera up and running and it works great, except I was wondering if anyone had any success in making it use antialiased fonts
[02:37] <Ninjew> through fontconfig or whatever
[02:39] <dreumah> mplayer is also not getting me anywhere
[02:39] <boxerboy29> ninjew than im nto sure i have to get a patched version of 8.5 and i havent installed it yet
[02:40] <Ninjew> boxerboy29: I was simply able to download the statically linked .deb, and dpkg --force-architecture -i the debfile
[02:40] <Ninjew> worked perfectly
[02:40] <Ninjew> i mean, minus fonts looking sorta assy
[02:40] <Xappe> dreumah, very easy way: sudo apt-get install vlc
[02:40] <Airk> gdm does not start anymore after recompiling kernel modules. error: libwrap.so.0 not found.
[02:40] <dreumah> xappe i ll try
[02:40] <alec_> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:40] <locomorto> dreumah: add the marillat repo
[02:40] <boxerboy29> i downloaded it and it kept telling me there was a broken package on systema nd later found out it was opera
[02:40] <bob2> lnical: --help
[02:40] <Xappe> dreumah: that is the videolan player
[02:40] <dreumah> locomorto how?
[02:40] <locomorto> dreumah: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[02:40] <bob2> lnical: I don't have it installed atm
[02:41] <locomorto> dreumah: remove marillate repo
[02:41] <locomorto> actually hold on, i'll make it easier for you
[02:41] <locomorto> 2 secs
[02:41] <dreumah> locomorto ?huh
[02:41] <Ninjew> I may stick with using opera though, nasty fonts and all
[02:41] <Ninjew> I love that browser so much
[02:41] <ghostdog> how di use wine here in ubuntu?
[02:42] <bob2> same as you use it on any other *nix
[02:42] <bob2> install it
[02:42] <bob2> run it
[02:42] <Ninjew> ghostdog, i386 or amd64?
[02:42] <bob2> remember how bad it is
[02:42] <gt500k> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:42] <bob2> then find a ntive tool to replace it
[02:42] <moparfan90> hello. i know this is off topic but does anyone know a very good free web host?
[02:42] <gt500k> www.freewebs.com
[02:42] <Ninjew> comedy geocities option
[02:42] <RJ_Not_ajay> i have a d-link dwl-650+, it works under hoary but not breezy, any ideas?
[02:42] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: it doesn't work on breezy when you follow the sae steps you used on hoary?
[02:43] <dreumah> locomorto do i add it and if how? or do i remove it
[02:43] <dreumah> ?
[02:43] <gt500k> www.freewebs.com
[02:43] <RJ_Not_ajay> bob2: yup
[02:43] <lnical> bob2: running on the drive now.
[02:43] <gt500k> Does anybody know if there is a 2d or 3d .gif animator???
[02:43] <moparfan90> no i mean a free web host with at least 500mb space and at least 5 gb's bandwidth
[02:43] <locomorto> dreumah: just hold on
[02:43] <moparfan90> not like freewebs they stick+
[02:43] <ilpavox> ubuntu had no problem with the rf switch on my laptop.  does anyone know what driver it installs with the default installation?
[02:43] <karen> hi--- i'm having printing problems.  printer has a red exclamation on it.  Don't know what that exactly means and how to correct it. wont print at all. has applications waiting to print and can't cancel them either.
[02:43] <ghostdog> Ninjew :I386
[02:43] <bob2> gt500k: you don't need to repeat
[02:44] <kataklsym> in the Smeg menu editor how do i set a program to run as root and prompt for a pass and automatically run that program after the pass is entered?
[02:44] <Ninjew> ghostdog, oh then you should be able to add the wine repository and add it
[02:44] <Ninjew> ghostdog, go to winehq.org
[02:44] <bob2> NO
[02:44] <boxerboy29> moparfan: i have freewebs and its 100mb bandwidth a month and 46mb of space
[02:44] <kataklsym> like if i want to run mozilla-thunderbird as root how do i set that up in smeg menu editor?
[02:44] <bob2> that would be stupid
[02:44] <mjr> you don't want to do that
[02:44] <bob2> don't do that
[02:45] <moparfan90> boxerboy29, thats nothing. thats bad very bad i had a host that gave 4gb space and 15gb bandwidth
[02:45] <esac_> bob2: if i recall correctly, you are running vmware in breezy, right ?
[02:45] <bob2> esac_: yes
[02:45] <moparfan90> and alot of scripts
[02:45] <boxerboy29> moparfan: with freewebs?
[02:45] <esac_> bob2: whenever i try to go into snapshot manager, vmware dies. do you experience this same problem ?
[02:45] <moparfan90> no!!
[02:45] <kataklsym> bob2 why would it be so stupid bob2? whats any different than running anything else as root?
[02:45] <boxerboy29> oh ok
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: running most things as root is also stupid
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: especially enormous gui applications
[02:45] <boxerboy29> xms im gonna try next
[02:45] <bob2> kataklsym: what possible reason do you have for trying?
[02:46] <bob2> esac_: is it oopsing your kernel?
[02:46] <esac_> bob2: nope, haven't had that issue since i installed using any2any
[02:46] <kataklsym> bob2: because i users on my setup cant load and use the extensions for webmail, but root can.
[02:46] <_n00blar_> Hi all, quick question...anyone has ever tried to setup a vpn connection to a pix firewall using L2TP and ipsec?
[02:46] <bob2> kataklsym: then fix it, duh
[02:46] <bob2> esac_: ah, dunno then, sorry
[02:46] <lnical> bob2:  bonnie++ has run.   Why do you think ubuntu has it disabled?
[02:48] <bob2> kataklsym: running thunderbird as root means means if an email exploits a whole in it, it can format your hard disk
[02:48] <bob2> Tribune: you need to ak a question if you need help...
[02:48] <kataklsym> bob2: yea i guess if u say its stupid it is, whats the diff in running synaptic and mozilla thunderbird ?
[02:48] <Tribune> at present my window 2000 professional facing problem and i need to reformat my windows. i did do last time this and my grub loader not function
[02:48] <apokryphos> kataklsym: the application is *made* to be run as root
[02:48] <bob2> kataklsym: synaptic is designed to run as root
[02:48] <Octane> 2.6.12-9 kernel is out
[02:48] <Tribune> if i format my window............. how can i maintain my  grub loader
[02:48] <toolbox> kataklsym: it's a rule *never* run as root for more than absolutely necessary
[02:48] <dooglus> kataklsym: whereas if you run thunderbird as your own user, all it can do it delete all your files.  the OS itself will be safe.
[02:48] <moparfan90> i think this month i changed distros about 7 times and just came right back to ubuntu after getting so pissed off with stupit .rpm files and all there stupit crap
[02:49] <ghostdog> Ninjew :i added the repositories ang and all that need to be added i used the synaptic ,but i just dont know how to run it
[02:49] <Octane> dont upgrade yet though since the modules package is not updated
[02:49] <ritalin> anyone recommend a fun OSS game?
[02:49] <apokryphos> kataklsym: I'm not sure how it is in gnome, but in kde you can bork up your configuration files, ruin dcop sockets, and have increased vulnerability as root in GUI
[02:49] <angel> hi
[02:49] <toolbox> hi angel
[02:49] <cafuego_> ritalin: nethack, bzflag, supertux, tuxracer, frozen-bubble, gnocatan.
[02:49] <angel> care to chat
[02:49] <esac_> is there any program which can detect where i am at (work/home/starbucks) possibly based off some information (domain name, what dhcp ip address i am currently using, etc..) and automatically change all of my network settings for me (use wireless or eth0, use wins or not, automatically mount and unmount samba shares, etc...) ?
[02:49] <kataklsym> im not running X as root
[02:49] <toolbox> are you a grrrrl?
[02:49] <dooglus> ritalin: DROD
[02:49] <angel> hi toolbox?
[02:49] <bob2> Tribune: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:49] <kataklsym> well ok then lets do it the hard way
[02:49] <Octane> toolbox: needs to be kb'd
[02:50] <bob2> esac_: laptop-net does things like that
[02:50] <_n00blar_> esac_, I don't know if Ubuntu has that feature, but I know Suse and Linspire do
[02:50] <DewDude> evening
[02:50] <kataklsym> what can i do thats pretty easy that will give my user write permissions in the mozilla thunderbird extensions ?
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: cd ~
[02:50] <esac_> bob2: ill give it a try, thanks
[02:50] <bob2> kataklsym: it's not hard; look at the permissions in /usr/lib/mozilla and figure out what's wrong
[02:50] <kicolobo> Hi, I'm using ubuntu (Breezy Badger) and I whould like to install the totem codecs. How can I do this?
[02:50] <moparfan90> toolbox, are you like 10 or something
[02:50] <apokryphos> kataklsym: I never said you were, of course
[02:50] <bob2> kataklsym: no, your users do not need write permissions
[02:50] <Octane> seriously
[02:50] <moparfan90> toolbox,  ohh a girl oohh yay a girl .... wow
[02:50] <apokryphos> kicolobo: install w32codecs
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: join #locomorto
[02:50] <kicolobo> how can I do this?
[02:50] <kataklsym> bob2: well it already has X perms
[02:50] <locomorto> dreumah: The channel that is
[02:51] <kataklsym> what else would it need
[02:51] <bob2> kataklsym: read?
[02:51] <kataklsym> im pretty sure mozilla-thunderbird installs with read perms now doesnt it?
[02:51] <apokryphos> kicolobo: check your PM from ubotu
[02:51] <kataklsym> or does that go back to its designed to run as root?
[02:51] <bob2> oh, stop being silly
[02:51] <apokryphos> kicolobo: let me know if you have problems with any part of that
[02:52] <lnical> bob2:  Thanks for your advice.   I'll try to work some more on this install later.
[02:52] <kicolobo> it's not listed on synaptic. Where can I download this?
[02:52] <bob2> if you're going to pretend to be an admin, you need to lose the attitude
[02:52] <bob2> kataklsym: run "find /usr/lib/thunderbird -exec ls -ld \{\} \;" and put it up somewhere
[02:52] <poningru> bob2: was I talking to you about voice recognition?
[02:52] <poningru> or was that someone else?
[02:53] <apokryphos> kicolobo: as I said, check your message from ubotu
[02:53] <apokryphos> or just...
[02:53] <Tribune> bob2 i did try to open website add u give.... i get message " This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Securoty Manager (PSM). Download and isntall PSM and try again.
[02:53] <apokryphos> !w32codecs
[02:53] <ubotu> w32codecs is a set of codecs for popular audio/video formats (wmv etc). Install from giannaros.org/public/hoarydebs or breezy: seveas.ubuntulinux.nl. 64bit? See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[02:53] <bob2> poningru: yeah
[02:53] <bob2> Tribune: ok
[02:53] <myNegReal> for partition options, do i need to make seperate main, boot swap etc and format them in another program or can i do that in the install using fdisk or something
[02:53] <bimberi> myNegReal: you can do it during the install
[02:53] <bob2> myNegReal: the installer lets you do all that
[02:54] <myNegReal> ok cool
[02:54] <myNegReal> thanks
[02:54] <Tribune> bob2... it ok... i can open now using konquerour
[02:54] <poningru> bob2: ->#ubuntu-offtopic
[02:55] <RJ_Not_ajay> any idea why my wireless card works under hoary, but not breezy, even if i have done nothing differently?
[02:55] <_n00blar_> Anyone here has gotten gmail-notifyer to work? I keep getting that login failure...even as I've downloaded the lastet source.
[02:55] <esac_> i installed laptop-net but i cant find a menu option for it. is it old skool text editing or something ?
[02:55] <bob2> esac_: yes
[02:56] <esac_> bob2: has anybody else reported issues where they run "sudo command" where command can be anything, and it just hangs? i keep getting that intermittently
[02:56] <RJ_Not_ajay> can any1 akgnowlage that i said something?
[02:57] <dooglus> I solved the gdm/xfs problem.  would you believe x.org was using xorg.conf from the home directory in preference to /etc/X11/xorg.conf!!!
[02:57] <RJ_Not_ajay> theres 425 people in this room, has 1 of them had the same problem as me?
[02:57] <bob2> dooglus: that is documented...
[02:57] <esac_> RJ_Not_ajay: sorry didnt hear you, must be your wireless card not working :)
[02:57] <kataklsym> bob2: put it up somewhere?
[02:57] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: it's really better not to be annoying
[02:57] <bob2> RJ_Not_ajay: if something stopped working, please file a bug
[02:57] <dooglus> bob2: ok.  I don't remember even making an xorg.conf in my home directory
[02:57] <chavo> dooglus, that's xorg's default behaviour
[02:57] <RJ_Not_ajay> well, it works under windows, hoary, but not breezy
[02:58] <chavo> you probably copied it there to back it up
[02:58] <kataklsym> bob2: i cant figure out why my extension to my webmail isnt starting with my user, but it starts as root
[02:58] <esac_> RJ_Not_ajay: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:58] <harrison> how do i write the output of a command to a file?
[02:58] <chavo> I've done the same thing
[02:58] <bob2> kataklsym: ...
[02:58] <poningru> RJ_Not_ajay: dude breezy is not supposed to be out yet
[02:58] <kataklsym> bob2: it loads it, but it doesnt use it
[02:58] <bob2> kataklsym: I belive I told you what to do
[02:58] <poningru> that means you will not get perfect working conditions
[02:58] <kataklsym> u said put it up somewhere
[02:58] <bob2> harrison: blah > filename.txt
[02:58] <chavo> harrison, command > filename
[02:58] <kataklsym> put it up somewhere as in what the heck do u mean by that
[02:58] <bob2> nevermind
[02:58] <poningru> RJ_Not_ajay: what you should do is file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[02:59] <RJ_Not_ajay> thanks
[02:59] <bob2> I thought it was pretty clear I meant for you to make it available for other people to see
[02:59] <harrison> bob2, well i have this long output of crap when i try to compile something, and it only gives me the last few lines
[02:59] <_n00blar_> How do I go about installing TT fonts? Is there an installer?
[02:59] <bob2> harrison: compile errors do not get output like that
[02:59] <harrison> ahh
[02:59] <bob2> _n00blar_: you already have lots of TT fonts installed
[02:59] <bob2> _n00blar_: drage them to ~/.fonts if you want more
[03:00] <chavo> _n00blar_, put them in ~/.fonts if you're the only user
[03:00] <bob2> harrison: foo 2>&1 blah.txt
[03:00] <_n00blar_> bob2, just wanted arial
[03:00] <_n00blar_> chavo, oh, cool
[03:00] <esac_> is it ok to file anjuta bugs in ubuntu bugzilla, or is there a place more appropriate for them ?
[03:00] <kataklsym> bob2: i can run mozilla, and i can check normal mail, the extension loads in mozilla, the properties of the extension says status: failed,   and doesnt give the type of error...
[03:01] <newbies_ubuntu> which key stroke to log off system? thanks
[03:01] <cat> newbies_ubuntu: logout
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: holy god
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: stop talking and do what I said
[03:01] <kataklsym> holy god my ass
[03:01] <kataklsym> everything in that dir has r perms
[03:01] <bob2> esac_: launchpad.net
[03:01] <newbies_ubuntu> d
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: be quiet and do it
[03:01] <kataklsym> i did it god damn
[03:01] <bob2> kataklsym: ...
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: and the url is?
[03:02] <kataklsym> the url to what?
[03:02] <kataklsym> that didnt return a damn url
[03:02] <DewDude> hrmm...ubuntu installed new linux-powerpc....should i reboot?
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: so, shut up
[03:02] <Lars_G> Hey all.
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: run the command I said
[03:02] <bob2> kataklsym: and put the output on the web
[03:02] <kataklsym> it returned a list of all the directories and their perms
[03:02] <kataklsym> put it on the web for what?
[03:03] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Still around? if I ask you directly It would be leeching?
[03:03] <kataklsym> you make about as much sense as asking my dog for help
[03:03] <kataklsym> i dont think putting it on the web is going to solve it
[03:03] <Lars_G> kataklsym: So he can check them.
[03:03] <apokryphos> Lars_G: fire away
[03:03] <newbies_ubuntu> how do you know that your SCSI-tape drive is working ?
[03:03] <kataklsym> well if he would have said that it might have helped
[03:04] <apokryphos> kataklsym: please don't be silly
[03:04] <kataklsym> but instead he said what url did it give
[03:04] <kataklsym> and then he said to shut up
[03:04] <kataklsym> ls giving a url
[03:04] <kataklsym> yea
[03:04] <bob2> I told you 4 times
[03:04] <bob2> don't worry, I won't waste any more time trying to help you
[03:04] <kataklsym> bob2: i can tell what perms it has
[03:04] <kataklsym> everything has R
[03:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> since my computer has two ethernet jacks, is there any relatively simple way to sort of use it as a router so that i can plug my voip phone into the back to configure it?
[03:04] <Lars_G> apokryphos: This is not really ubuntu related but since it must be a common question, I used make-jpkg to build java package, installs well, and the plugin in firefox is created as a link to alternatives which is of course a link to the actual plugin... opera sees the plugin, and konqueror can use java if I specify the VM's location as always, but firefox refuses to see the plugin, any clues?
[03:05] <apokryphos> Lars_G: why didn't you install the java packs?
[03:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Which ones?
[03:05] <apokryphos> but anway..
[03:05] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell Lars_G about sunjava
[03:05] <apokryphos> those
[03:05] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I use sun java (I develope on java), didn't find any sun packs in universe, or multivere... did I miss it?
[03:05] <Lars_G> Thanks
[03:06] <reiki> BROKEN_LADDER, 2 jacks?  then you should have 2 ethernet cards detected
[03:06] <Lars_G> Thank you apokryphos
[03:06] <apokryphos> Lars_G: the plugin's in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?
[03:06] <apokryphos> np
[03:07] <ilpavox> anyone know what driver ubuntu uses by default for the radio frequency switch on wireless cards?
[03:08] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Yup
[03:08] <knapp> Need help install ubuntu given drivers for ati
[03:08] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Linked as it should be (not copied)
[03:08] <knapp> I am following this howto: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=348911
[03:08] <knapp> the top part
[03:08] <kataklsym> bob2: ok i pasted it to pastebin.com here:      http://pastebin.com/371596
[03:08] <apokryphos> Lars_G: hm
[03:08] <Lars_G> ilpavox: If you have native drivers, use iwconfig to change the channel.
[03:08] <kataklsym> now without being an ass about it can u check and see why it is doing what its doing?
[03:09] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Yep it's strange., well I'll try that repository first.
[03:09] <Lars_G> apokryphos: No prob. I am onto it
[03:09] <knapp> Anyone?
[03:10] <LinuxJones> kataklsym, you expect someone to help after speaking to them like that ?
[03:10] <Xenguy> LinuxJones: gone
[03:10] <newbies_ubuntu> please help me to config my tape-drive....
[03:10] <Lars_G> LinuxJones: I think he does.
[03:11] <locomorto> hey does anyone here have hoary? And is brave enough to run a untested script to install libdvdcss2?
[03:11] <ilpavox> lars_g: i need to know because i am trying to put debian on a laptop alongside ubunut.  debian won't turn the rf switch on whie ubuntu has no problem
[03:12] <bob2> locomorto: hoary already includes a script for that
[03:12] <locomorto> Really?
[03:12] <bob2> knapp: ignore the forums, wiki.ubunu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:12] <Lars_G> ilpavox: That escapes me, sorry.
[03:12] <bob2> ilpavox: it's hardware- and driver-specific
[03:12] <bob2> ilpavox: it would be because ubuntu's kernel has support for it
[03:13] <locomorto> bob2: where is this script? I must have missed it (and god only knows i do that alot)
[03:13] <Lars_G> bob2: Which means it can be compiled in debian's kernel.
[03:13] <cafuego_> locomorto: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/
[03:13] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I think I'll skip over these packages, sorry
[03:14] <ilpavox> bob2: it works when i modconf ipw2200 but not when i modprobe it.. kernel support must be there if it works temrpoarily
[03:14] <j-linux> Has anyone ever had problems sending to hotmail accounts from Evolution?  There are a couple of addresses that when I try to send to them it says "mailbox unavailable" and doesn't send.
[03:14] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I'll try reducing the path from plugins to actual file to a single symlink and see
[03:14] <cafuego_> locomorto: Run the script as root, wait, install packages, done,.
[03:14] <locomorto> cafuego_: it install libdvdcss2?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: that's not evolutions fault
[03:14] <cafuego_> locomorto: No, it builds libdvdcss2 packages
[03:14] <apokryphos> Lars_G: so java definitely works? Did you follow the instructions on the wiki?
[03:14] <daddius> hey does ubuntu have support for sata hard drives?
[03:14] <locomorto> cafuego_: ic
[03:14] <knapp> bob2 I think thats the wrong link
[03:14] <cafuego_> daddius: yes
[03:14] <j-linux> HrdwrBob:  yeah... I don't blame Evolution.  I would assume MS if anything but it doesn't even send the messgae.  I can't figure it out.
[03:15] <bob2> locomorto: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread or so
[03:15] <daddius> cafuego_, which version should i get to try this out?
[03:15] <bob2> Lars_G: sure
[03:15] <limer> what file should I edit to give my box a static ip?
[03:15] <cafuego_> daddius: Up to you.
[03:15] <bob2> ilpavox: that is very surprising
[03:15] <bob2> ilpavox: I don't know what's up with that then
[03:15] <cafuego_> daddius: 5.04 if you're new to linux.
[03:15] <bob2> limer: /etc/network/interfaces
[03:15] <j-linux> It is only some hotmail accounts.  And I can send to them from the web-based email.
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: that's an error from the server you are using to send mail
[03:15] <locomorto> bob2: thx
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: contact your service provider
[03:15] <bob2> knapp: how so?
[03:16] <ilpavox> crap
[03:16] <daddius> cafuego_ i had some version of ubuntu and it locked up  during installation... So i gave debian a try and debian install couldn't see sata drive
[03:16] <jbwise> good evening... i'm trying in vain to get DVD support in breezy.  i got libdvdcss2 installed, but i'm still getting an error about gstreamer not being able to handle dvd://
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: I don't know where the instructions where, but I used java-package to create the .deb I used, and yes it works.... and firefox sees it now.
[03:16] <daddius> but ubuntu locked up on me
[03:16] <daddius> i will redownload and see if i get the same problem
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: It seems it breaks even if there is the middle stepping stone of /etc/alternatives.
[03:16] <Lars_G> apokryphos: It needs to be a symlink directly to the plugin file or it'll fail, or so it seems
[03:16] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: from my hosting company, that hosts my sites?  (my email domains and servers)
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: whatever your outbound SMTP is set to
[03:17] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Thanks for the hand
[03:17] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: I hate that company.... arrrggg.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:17] <apokryphos> Lars_G: wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions <-- those ones
[03:17] <j-linux> 1and1
[03:17] <j-linux> .com
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: your outbound SMTP should be set to your ISP though
[03:17] <apokryphos> Lars_G: you know, if you're a kde aficionado you should join us in #kubuntu =)
[03:17] <knapp> bob2 it was https://  that lead to http://someportalsite
[03:18] <harrison> bob2, so i should "make blah.ko 2>&1 blah.txt" to write all of the output to a file?  not working for me.
[03:18] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: my ISP?  I have so many different locations where I use the Internet
[03:18] <j-linux> HrdwrBoB: why not 1and1.com where my email servers are?
[03:19] <harrison> j-linux, many isp's dont allow you to use smtp servers besides their own.
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> j-linux: it's up to you
[03:19] <n3t0> how i can install the wine..
[03:19] <Lars_G> apokryphos: Sure.
[03:19] <j-linux> harrison:  I've tried that before.  Somehow I thought that I got returned mail -- something like "does not allow relaying" or something
[03:19] <JakeX> hey guys.. quick question, if i do an apt-get upgrade and one of the upgrades is mysql-server (which i have already running) will this update the bins? or overwrite everything?
[03:19] <n3t0> dont have him im my repositoris
[03:20] <harrison> JakeX, im sure it wouldnt overwrite anything important
[03:20] <j-linux> I use Internet at the house and at coffee shops with free wireless...  It would be a hassle to change the SMTP on all 18 email accounts every time I move
[03:20] <harrison> j-linux, webmail :(
[03:20] <jbwise> anyone set up libdvdcss2 and totem-gstreamer on breezy?
[03:20] <j-linux> harrison: :( :(
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> would there be any relatively simple way that you could connect two devices by their ethernet connection, and have them operate together, say one was a web server and the other a computer with a web browser.  without dhcp?
[03:21] <j-linux> arg...
[03:21] <JakeX> harrison:  thanks.. :)  can anyone confirm this? :P hehe just wanna be as sure as possible
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, give them static IPs
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB and then just connect them and bam?
[03:21] <MarcN> j-linux: I set all output smtp to be localhost:2525 and have a couple of scripts that do a ssh port forwarding from localhost:2525 to smtp-server-of-the-day:25
[03:21] <Amaranth> BROKEN_LADDER: OS X can do that with bonjour ;)
[03:21] <j-linux> logging in to 18 email accounts will not work with web mail.  That's why I use evolution
[03:21] <bob2> knapp: ubuntu.com, of course
[03:21] <harrison> JakeX, upgrades wont overwrite configuration data or anything like that.  if it needs to apt will ask you before doing so
[03:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have bonjour installed.
[03:22] <bob2> harrison: no, make 2>&1 >./blah.txt
[03:22] <JakeX> ok thanks :)
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i need to program my new sip adapter but i don't have a router.
[03:22] <harrison> ah thanks bob2
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> dang..i'll hafta unpluginate.
[03:22] <Airk> can apt-get check for lost files?
[03:22] <n3t0> some one can paste a sources.list complete with have the wine
[03:22] <bob2> n3t0: wine is in ubuntu...
[03:22] <bob2> Airk: debsums can
[03:22] <j-linux> MarcN: that is an interesting idea.  I'm not that advanced yet though.
[03:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> i have an obfuscated sources.list you could use.
[03:22] <bob2> Airk: (it's well outside apt's area of responsibility)
[03:23] <dooglus> bob2: that's not quite right.  the 2>&1 should go after >./blah.txt
[03:23] <Xenguy> n3t0: why not just 'apt-get install wine' ?
[03:23] <Xenguy> n3t0: er, sudo that
[03:23] <n3t0> Xenguy, he dont find the wine
[03:23] <dooglus> harrison: make obj.ko > blah.txt 2>&1
[03:23] <harrison> ahh cool
[03:24] <Xenguy> n3t0: running Hoary?
[03:24] <bob2> dooglus: hm, yeah, tho I never did understand why
[03:24] <bob2> n3t0: are you on i386?
[03:24] <MarcN> j-linux: ssh -f -C -L 2525:smtp.myisp.com:25<EMAIL_ADDRESS>sleep 6000
[03:24] <n3t0> bob2, yes
[03:24] <bob2> n3t0: /msg ubotu repositories
[03:24] <n3t0> ops
[03:24] <j-linux> MarcN: is that something I type at the terminal just once?
[03:25] <Xenguy> n3t0: you could try 'sudo apt-setup'
[03:25] <hectorman> hello and good evening (morning)... I'm trying to build a 2.6.12 kernel for Breezy including all the ubuntu patches plus Ingo Molnar's realtime-preempt. I've configures everything according to the kernel building guide in the ubuntu wiki, When going trhough the patching the process halts with an error. It seems that the realtime patch is not compatible with the ubuntu patches. Anyone could help me? I can provide mire details...
[03:25] <j-linux> MarcN: actually I don't know if that will work for me because I don't have an ISP.  No<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:25] <MarcN> j-linux: I put that in a connect-smtp-home script.  that tunnel stays up for 600 seconds (5min)
[03:26] <hectorman> sorry for the typos...
[03:26] <MarcN> j-linux: if the smtp is 'local' to your network, just use me@localhost for the last part.
[03:27] <j-linux> MarcN: I'm usually at a coffee shop with free wireless Internet.  They are probably using bellsouth or comcast or something.
[03:27] <n3t0> bob2, in a amd64 wine have problens?
[03:28] <j-linux> MarcN: It sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure if I could set it up.  For some reason I've never had a problem when in Windows with that (a lot of other problems though) -- this is a new problem only with Evolution
[03:28] <n3t0> my friend use a amd64
[03:28] <bob2> n3t0: it doesn't exist on amd64
[03:28] <bimberi> n3t0: wine is only available for i386
[03:28] <n3t0> thanks
[03:30] <Airk> bob2: excellent. thank you. I am wondering how my ext3 partition could get corrupt.
[03:31] <dooglus> bob2: read from left to right on the command line, and read "2>&1" to be "put the errors where the output is going".  then "make 2>&1 > file" means "put the errors to the screen and put output to file"
[03:31] <dooglus> bob2: whereas "make > file 2>&1" means "put the output to a file and put the errors to the same place"
[03:32] <harrison> could someone please tell me why this is failing to compile? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2445
[03:32] <bob2> dooglus: hm, I guess I assumed 2>&1 redirected it to stdout, and >blah redirected everything that was going to stdout to the file
[03:32] <dooglus> bob2: > is a shorthand for 1>
[03:32] <bob2> harrison: read the top 4 lines, it told you the exact problem
[03:33] <harrison> bob2, but shouldnt that be there?  i installed kernel-headers
[03:33] <bob2> dooglus: hm...the '&' "dereferences" it?
[03:33] <n3t0> crossover office runs on a amd64?
[03:33] <bob2> harrison: you didn't install gcc-3.4
[03:33] <bob2> n3t0: talk to them (unlikely)
[03:33] <apokryphos> using debuild, does "continued value line not in field" normally refer to something specific? Been tinkering over there (on the given line) can't quite figure it out
[03:33] <dooglus> bob2: I don't know of any nice way to explain why 2>&1 is written like that...
[03:33] <harrison> oh god.  am i going to have to do some version pinning bob2?  because i have 4.0.2
[03:33] <bob2> apokryphos: context?
[03:34] <bob2> harrison: of course not; sudo aptitude install gcc-3.4
[03:34] <bob2> harrison: the binary is called gcc-3.4, they do not conflict in any way
[03:34] <harrison> awesome
[03:34] <harrison> thanks
[03:34] <apokryphos> bob2: debuild -nc.. full line: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 119: continued value line not in field
[03:36] <sonojacker> crimsun: Do you know about anyone succesfully patching Breezy kernel with preemption (Ingo Molnar's patches)?
[03:36] <hectorman> sonojacker: not me
[03:37] <bob2> apokryphos: does 118 end in a backslash?
[03:37] <crimsun> sonojacker: I don't know of anyone who has successfully applied them to Breezy's source
[03:37] <crimsun> sonojacker: there are quite a few hundred rejects
[03:38] <apokryphos> bob2: nope; 118 is empty
[03:38] <bob2> apokryphos: and 119?
[03:39] <apokryphos> bob2: contains purely text; " The maps available in current release include Africa, Asia, Austria,"
[03:39] <apokryphos> (well, and punctuation, bleh)
[03:40] <sonojacker> crimsun: few hudnred rejects? I read about a brasilian team having achieved 32 bits hoary kernels with preemption.
[03:41] <Mostro> ne1 setup Ubuntu on a DELL PowerEdge Server with RAID 5....?
[03:41] <sinned> Guys
[03:41] <sinned> Can someone help me real quick with rhythmnbox?
[03:42] <Madpilot> Mostro: have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesServers
[03:42] <Mostro> thx
[03:42] <apokryphos> bob2: nevermind, got it; didn't realise it mattered if 118 (the meant-to-be-blank) didn't have a gap (shoulda guessed... whole description probably does)
[03:42] <apokryphos> coulda sworn I tried that anyhow, but hey
[03:42] <bob2> apokryphos: ah, righ
[03:43] <kairu0> any japanese keyboard users? i cant type any latin characters with my japanese keyboard (even on the login screen)
[03:44] <hectorman> can someone read me?
[03:44] <djm62> sinned: what about rhythmbox?
[03:44] <amias> hectorman, m e
[03:44] <hectorman> thanks
[03:45] <N17R0> Hi what up with those weird characters shown in aterm when using for example the man pages ?
[03:45] <sPYder---> how to create a non-root user????
[03:46] <apokryphos> sPYder---: sudo adduser USER
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: I think you are asking the wrong question
[03:46] <N17R0> weird aterm characters: http://members.lycos.nl/opslag0004/snapshot8.png
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: what do you want to achieve
[03:46] <sPYder---> a user that cant access root but can install programs like wine :D
[03:46] <Beryllium> I've gotta hand it to ya, Ubuntu is pretty slick
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: you should already have one
[03:47] <vader1102> heh I forgot that I am using the mac right now and it wasn't letting me in lo
[03:47] <HrdwrBoB> sPYder---: system->administration-> users and groups will allow you to add more
[03:47] <sPYder---> HrdwrBoB ... can u plz teach me what to input then?
[03:48] <nba_> anybody, sos pls
[03:48] <X3-away> Wow
[03:48] <X3-away> I'm talking to this kid
[03:48] <sinned> djm62, well yesterday after I installed the ati drivers for my video card....I tried to play a song with rhythmbox and for some reason I'm getting the error... "Could not open resource for writing"
[03:48] <X3-away> who's my "friend"
[03:48] <sPYder---> there is but there are many inputs needed.. and i am not sure what to input
[03:48] <X3-away> Who thinks Bill Gates is a mastermind and genius
[03:48] <apokryphos> sPYder---: so you want the user to not be root, but be able to use apt (package manager) -- consequently having to sudo
[03:48] <sPYder---> sorry but i am only 5days old
[03:48] <apokryphos> thanks to the sudo model that's actually possible :)
[03:48] <sPYder---> apokryphos yes
[03:48] <HrdwrBoB> !users
[03:48] <ubotu> HrdwrBoB: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> hrm hangon
[03:49] <apokryphos> sPYder---: It needs editing of your sudoer file, though; see man sudoers
[03:49] <nba_> i just unpacked the synaptic package manager
[03:49] <djm62> sinned: that's not to do with video drivers
[03:49] <sinned> well
[03:49] <hectorman> crimsun: I've been trying to build a Kernel for Breezy with realtime-preempt and I'm having problems with the patching. Would it be possible to change the ubuntu patches in order to make them compatible with Ingo's patch?
[03:49] <sinned> it seemed to happen after I installed my video drivers and cedega
[03:49] <ghostdog> how do i reconfigure my ubuntu?
[03:49] <nba_> but was not downloaded all the items
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: no.
[03:50] <bob2> ghostdog: to do what?
[03:50] <djm62> sinned: is something clogging up your soundcard?
[03:50] <tritium> ghostdog, which part?
[03:50] <sinned> um
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: you cannot apply all of both
[03:50] <sinned> I don't think so...
[03:50] <locomorto> ghostdog: system -> preferences
[03:50] <nba_> can i run my music player now?
[03:50] <sPYder---> apokryphos how to edit then
[03:50] <djm62> some crashed app from cedega
[03:50] <sinned> I tried to kill esd
[03:50] <ghostdog> how do i reconfigure my ubuntu using dpkg command ?
[03:50] <sinned> it wasn't running at the time
[03:50] <crimsun> hectorman: you will have to not apply some of Breezy's patches to apply all of preempt
[03:50] <cat> ghostdog: dpkg-reconfigure
[03:50] <locomorto> ghostdog: what do you want to do?
[03:51] <hectorman> crimsun: would I be missing many of the functionalities of the Ubuntu kernel if I do it as you said?
[03:51] <crimsun> hectorman: possibly
[03:51] <apokryphos> sPYder---: I don't know off the top of my head (never used it, know it's possible); I can search around for a bit :)
[03:51] <ghostdog> i just installed a lan card and i dont know how to detect it ?
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: what do you mean detect it
[03:52] <sinned> djm62, any idea on what I should do?
[03:52] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: odds are it's detected already
[03:52] <apokryphos> sPYder---: mind you, if you're giving them access to the package manager you (generally) might as well give them full sudo. It's not as if they can't break the system with apt :)
[03:52] <ghostdog> the new lan card that i installed in my computer
[03:52] <tritium> ghostdog, does "ifconfig" list eth0, for example?
[03:52] <djm62> sinned: erm, give me a second
[03:52] <sinned> k
[03:52] <tritium> hello bob2, crimsun
[03:53] <bob2> hey tritium
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> ghostdog: it should be listed in your network configuration
[03:53] <etherealnet06> ok
[03:53] <etherealnet06> elo
[03:53] <ghostdog> ok ill look into it
[03:53] <ghostdog> tnx
[03:53] <etherealnet06> im new in using ubuntu software
[03:53] <hectorman> crimsun: so, would you say that Ubuntu is not a suitable distro for low-latency audio? It would be wonderful to have it combined with the amazing user friendliness of Ubuntu without missing any functionality.
[03:53] <etherealnet06> can anyone pls help me
[03:54] <djm62> sinned: it was working before, and then it stopped working?
[03:54] <cat> etherealnet06: ask
[03:54] <tritium> etherealnet06, please ask your question
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: low latency audio can be used on any distribution
[03:54] <sinned> Yeah djm62
[03:54] <djm62> sinned: and esd is running?
[03:54] <sinned> It might have been caused when I installed xine for totem though
[03:54] <sinned> :/
[03:54] <sinned> Esd is not running when I try and start it
[03:55] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: using realtime-preempt?
[03:55] <jmg> ubuntu should have JACK by default
[03:55] <etherealnet06> how do you run MU online/ rose online/ gunbound in ubuntu
[03:55] <djm62> sinned: does it happen on a variety of file formats?
[03:55] <jmg> etherealnet06: configure it
[03:55] <etherealnet06> this are all online games
[03:55] <nba_> anybody, sos pls: just installed the synaptic package manager, tried playing my music player but there's an error msg "COUDN'T PARSE PLAYLIST" what shall i do next?
[03:55] <etherealnet06> how
[03:55] <sinned> Yes djm62
[03:55] <etherealnet06> pls help
[03:55] <etherealnet06> me
[03:55] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: yeah that's just a kernel thing
[03:55] <jmg> etherealnet06: or use one of the audio distributions
[03:55] <jmg> AGNULA
[03:56] <jmg> etherealnet06: i cant help you sorry
[03:56] <jmg> i havent set mine up either
[03:56] <etherealnet06> this is realy my first time using ubuntu OS
[03:56] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: that kernel thing is what I'm trying to sort out... I already have agnula installed, but I would like to switch to ubuntu
[03:56] <sinned> Hmm djm62 ...I started esd manually and now it works
[03:56] <sinned> For some reason...its having problems starting esd
[03:57] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: and crimsun just said that is not possible to patch an ubuntu kernel with Ingo's realtime-preempt patch... I was just trying to have the best of both worlds
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: that's quite likely
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> hectorman: to be honest if you want to do high end audio stuff
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> you're better off having a dedicated machine for it
[03:58] <djm62> sinned: does this happen from a clean boot?
[03:58] <sinned> Um
[03:58] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: you are right... I was just trying to give nice Ubuntu a try
[03:58] <sinned> Let me check lol
[03:58] <sinned> Brb
[03:58] <djm62> sinned: don't bother
[03:58] <sinned> lol
[03:58] <sinned> why?
[03:58] <sPYder---> is the username that i made while install ubuntu a root privileged???
[03:58] <sinned> No
[03:59] <Xenguy> !root
[03:59] <ubotu> I guess root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[03:59] <sinned> !root
[03:59] <JakeX> spyder: no.. sudo su yourself..
[03:59] <djm62> sinned: I think you might have had a stray process
[03:59] <tritium> sPYder---, the first user you configured gets sudo priveleges
[03:59] <sinned> Whats that mean?
[03:59] <sinned> lol
[03:59] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob and hectorman: I really think High End Audio production is not against the UI and user experience we are all trying to contribute at Ubuntu! (CC: crimsun)
[03:59] <sPYder---> not root
[03:59] <sPYder---> ?
[03:59] <djm62> from running cedega...not running properly, but not visible
[03:59] <sPYder---> whats the diff?
[03:59] <tritium> no, that user is a sudoer
[03:59] <JakeX> not root, you just get sudo (right to use root account) :P
[03:59] <Arkainium> WOW!  Ubuntu actually put my laptop to sleep.  How do I wake it up now?  :)
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: high end audio requires all sorts of things that are contrary to an averae users requirements
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: open it
[04:00] <tritium> sPYder---, please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:00] <djm62> sinned: but taking up the sound card, and preventing esd from running
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: or press the sleep button again
[04:00] <sinned> h,,
[04:00] <sinned> Hmm
[04:00] <tritium> like better power supplies, HrdwrBoB ?
[04:00] <sinned> Okay
[04:00] <sPYder---> tritium ok ty
[04:00] <sinned> Thank you djm62
[04:00] <djm62> sinned: are you au fait with the ps command?
[04:00] <sinned> ?
[04:00] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, it doesn't have a sleep button.  I put it to sleep by changing /proc/acpi/sleep
[04:00] <sinned> Am I what?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: haha
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: press the power button
[04:01] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, that shuts it down.  :P
[04:01] <djm62> sinned: do you know how to use ps, you might be able to find a culprit
[04:01] <sinned>  sort of
[04:01] <sinned> okay
[04:01] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: You are partially right HrdwrBob, but specially if you think about MAC OS X audio production platforms, that do have great UI's (not as good as in Ubuntu's GNOME 2.12 :-) ), we can achieve both.
[04:02] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob: as you said... it is a kernel thingy... ok, lets research on that! if nobody tries, it won't happen.
[04:02] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, shouldn't simply pressing a key wake it?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: there you go
[04:02] <hectorman> sonojacker: I agree
[04:02] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: here we are going!
[04:03] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: Let's say, there we go
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> Arkainium: generally you'll have to hit the wake up button
[04:03] <hectorman> HrdwrBoB: that's why we are looking for some help here...
[04:03] <nba__> sorry dc
[04:03] <Arkainium> HrdwrBoB, so I guess I have to set one of my acpi events to wake it?
[04:03] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, crimsun: I will say I need to be more aware of what crimsun does, specially because I worked hard on some alsa - usb issues that he solved perfectly for Breezy. Congratulations btw.
[04:04] <nba__> can somebody help me with my problem?
[04:04] <nba__> i just posted awhile ago before i was dc
[04:04] <nba__> thanks
[04:05] <djm62> sinned: I could be completely wrong and mad, but I seem to remember something similar happening to me (crummy mplayer)
[04:05] <vader1102> nba_, if they know the answer, they will say so
[04:05] <Entranced> Hello
[04:05] <nba__> ic
[04:05] <sinned> lol
[04:05] <sinned> yeah
[04:05] <djm62> sonojacker: on the other hand, the nice thing about free software is that it's not too difficult or illegal to roll a specialised distro for the job, and keep a general distro on the side...
[04:05] <sinned> I had the same problem with totem
[04:05] <nba__> so nobody know the answer then
[04:05] <sinned> until I started using xine instead of gstreamer
[04:06] <Effect> Evening
[04:06] <sambagirl> how do you restore your workspaces? i cannot see mine anymore just the trash icon in the corner
[04:07] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, djm62: That's fine djm62, but I really appreciate Ubuntu's ideology, and I would suggest a metapackage such as edubuntu, that might apt-get the necessary stuff and might get rid of some other if needed - "audioubuntu"?
[04:07] <djm62> nba__: your question didn't make much sense to me... you've unpacked synaptic and you want to know if you can run a music player?
[04:07] <Entranced> After upgrading my system (Breezy) few mins ago, gdm fails to load (new kernel is a suspect...) I had the same thing happen to me with Sid and I believe it is caused by udevd. Any one knows what may be the problem here ? After numerous dist-upgrades I've never had this issue with Breezy..
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> sonojacker: that's a worthwhile project
[04:07] <djm62> sonojacker: you know the answer to that one... ;)
[04:08] <nba__> djm62: sorry, i tried playing mp3 with the music player but error said "COULDN'T PARSE PLAYLIST"
[04:08] <sonojacker> HrdwrBob, hectorman, djm62: not much HordwrBob, providing we might for instance, first try to suggest a patched kernel... that would be an excelent first step.  MOTU's already provide LOTS of software for Audio production at Breezy.
[04:09] <Effect> The live cd. Can you install from that after trying it out or do you have to go back and download the install cd if you want to continue to use the OS on the harddrive?
[04:09] <nba__> djm62: where's the problem lies
[04:09] <explore5> hi!
[04:09] <bob2> Effect: the latter
[04:09] <djm62> nba__: on hoary?
[04:09] <Effect> Ah I see. Thanks.
[04:09] <nba__> djm62: yeah
[04:10] <djm62> nba__: has anything else unusual happened?
[04:10] <Effect> With the OS. Is it possible to still view and access Window OS drives and have access to the files or are those drives not visable?
[04:10] <djm62> nba__: any errors popping up apart from that?
[04:10] <hectorman> sonojacker, HrdwrBob, djm62: basically the problem is compatibility of the ubuntu patches with Ingo's realtime-preempt patch... is this possible to sort out?
[04:10] <nba__> djm62: none
[04:10] <nba__> djm62: just that error msg
[04:11] <bob2> Effect: sure
[04:11] <djm62> nba__: and how are you trying to play the files?
[04:11] <crimsun> hectorman: there is no way you can apply all of both
[04:12] <jrattner1> How to I create a new partition on my hardrive
[04:12] <hectorman> crimsun: ok, I'll try to find out which ones are not compatible
[04:12] <jrattner1> so I can store my music on it
[04:12] <nba__> djm62: i open the music player and load playlist from there
[04:13] <nba__> djm62: load playlist from file i mean
[04:13] <djm62> nba__: where did the playlist come from?
[04:14] <nba__> djm62: from my cd coz i just copied it there
[04:14] <Effect> Thanks
[04:15] <LinuxJones> jrattner1, sudo fdisk /dev/hda (if you have 1 hard drive)
[04:15] <vader1102> well night everyone, time for a bath and bed
[04:15] <djm62> nba__ an audio CD or a data CD?
[04:15] <nba__> djm62: data cd
[04:15] <dooglus> I just updated my breezy kernel from 2.6.12-8-386 to 2.6.12-9-386 and the boot sequence and virtual consoles are all black.  removing "vga=773" from the kernel parameters fixed it, but now the virtual consoles have a huge font.
[04:16] <dooglus> can I get the font to be smaller?  what's a good vga= value to use (on a 1024x768 laptop screen)
[04:16] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Are you really going to be using the text-only consoles that much?
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I do like to use them, yeah.
[04:17] <djm62> nba__: have you got too many tracks to just reimport the folder with them all in? did you save the playlist from rhythmbox?
[04:17] <nba__> djm62: sorry dc
[04:17] <Agamotto> Some people only need CLI-level access... the blind especially
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: and it's certainly nice to be able to read the boot-time messages before they scroll off the screen
[04:17] <BlueEagle> dooglus: that's what dmesg is for. :)
[04:17] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Hang on let me get the table.
[04:17] <dooglus> BlueEagle: dmesg doesn't log everything
[04:17] <djm62> nba__: did you save the playlist from rhythmbox?
[04:18] <nba__> djm62: no
[04:18] <cafuego_> dooglus: What video card you got? I use 792 on mine (I think).
[04:18] <ZeroA4> dooglus, There is a table here of the values and resolutions http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/1999/08/cg_framebuffer.html
[04:18] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Check /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt for different modes available.
[04:18] <Tonio0505> can any body just tell me how i would turn off x sever to install a nvidia driver
[04:18] <BlueEagle> dooglus: provided you have got the linux sources and documentation. :)
[04:18] <djm62> nba__: it might be a different format than rhythmbox takes?
[04:19] <dooglus> cafuego_: it's a crappy SIS thing built into the laptop motherboard
[04:19] <cafuego_> dooglus: aiyee
[04:19] <ZeroA4> 773 = 1024x768x 256 colors
[04:19] <dooglus> BlueEagle: I don't have /usr/src/* - this is a pre-built kernel
[04:19] <Tonio0505> anybody want to answer a probably simple question
[04:19] <djm62> (although it looks like normal .m3u to me, from a quick test)
[04:19] <BlueEagle> dooglus: YOu can install kernel sources.
[04:19] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  Go ahead
[04:19] <dooglus> ZeroA4: I was using 773 before.  it was nice.  but now it's all black.  black text on a black background?
[04:19] <cafuego_> Tonio0505: Not unless you ask it first. (Was that it?)
[04:20] <nba__> djm62: but the file extension is still .mp3? or does it matter
[04:20] <Tonio0505> how do i turn off x sever to install a nvidia driver
[04:20] <BlueEagle> dooglus: also see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html
[04:20] <dooglus> Tonio0505: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[04:20] <nba__> djm62: where can i find this rythmbox?
[04:20] <Tonio0505> is that it
[04:21] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  Log out, go back to your login screen and choose console login.  Do the nvidia stuff, then startx from the console
[04:21] <cafuego_> Tonio0505: You don't need to turn it off, you install the nvidia stuff (nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules) then enable nvidia, logout, hit ctrl-alt-backspace, done.
[04:21] <ZeroA4> dooglus, black may be becose your monitor or your card does not suport the mode the fbdev is using now...
[04:21] <dooglus> ZeroA4: maybe
[04:21] <Agamotto> Tonio0505:  All of these will work, just different approaches.
[04:21] <djm62> nba__: the way rhythmbox works is, you have a load of files in various folders, and you right click on library, and select "add to library" and select the top-level folder, and rhythmbox (which is called Music Player in the menu)
[04:21] <Tonio0505> so install it from the cousole login
[04:21] <Tonio0505> thanks for the help guys
[04:21] <ZeroA4> dooglus, try other modes
[04:22] <cafuego_> Tonio0505 too
[04:22] <djm62> nba__: rhythmbox sorts them out by the ID3 tags, so you can find them by artist, album, and name (or whatever)
[04:22] <nba__> djm62: if i'll do that, can i play my mp3 music already?
[04:23] <djm62> nba__: should be able to (have you enabled universe and installed the plugin?)
[04:24] <BlueEagle> !tell nba__ about restrictedformats
[04:24] <dooglus> ZeroA4: do you think it's at all possible that 15 or 16 bit 1024x768 will work, when 8 bit 1024x768 didn't?
[04:24] <dooglus> ZeroA4: I would guess that 15 or 16 bit is "harder" somehow...
[04:24] <BlueEagle> nba__: Have a look-see at the url ubotu sendt you.
[04:24] <nba__> djm62: i don't know how to do that
[04:24] <djm62> nba__: where are your mp3s?
[04:24] <ZeroA4> dooglus, I dont know... but i wolud give it a try
[04:25] <nba__> djm62: in my disc
[04:25] <djm62> nba__: as in CD or hard disk?
[04:25] <nba__> djm62 cd
[04:25] <BlueEagle> dooglus: Did you have a look at the framebuffer how-to?
[04:26] <djm62> nba__: can you make a folder in your home dir and move them there? select them all, then drag-n-drop
[04:26] <nba__> BlueEagle: thanks
[04:26] <BlueEagle> nba__: np. :) Got me scratching my head too. :)
[04:26] <nba__> djm62: ok i'll try that
[04:26] <daba1> Compact Disc, Hard Disk
[04:27] <djm62> daba1: I wish I could rely on other people using those semantics :-/
[04:27] <nba__> djm62: i can play mp3 then?
[04:28] <HotCool>
[04:28] <HotCool> ?
[04:28] <djm62> nba__: yeah, if you've done what ubotu said, and then open Music Player right click on Library, and select the directory where you've put the files
[04:28] <Agamotto> HotCool:  what is that?  Hangul?
[04:28] <Xorlev_> /dev/sda1 on /mnt/ntfs type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) (from mount), but mounted it says its a read-only filesystem. /mnt/ntfs is just the old directory, it will be /home once I can make it read/write.
[04:28] <djm62> nba__: then Music Player knows where your files are, and you can click and go :)
[04:29] <nba__> djm62: ok, i'll try that.  thanks a lot!
[04:29] <neighborlee> are there  X font issues in breezy still ? ( http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=67803&page=3 )
[04:30] <djm62> nba__: you'll like it when you see it working (and if you don't, there are plenty of other players...find your favourite)
[04:31] <Rhisc> hi
[04:31] <cafuego_> Xorlev: /mnt/ntfs?
[04:31] <Agamotto> Rhisc:  Hallo
[04:31] <Rhisc> Hello from my new Linux system woot!
[04:31] <Agamotto> Congrats
[04:31] <cafuego_> Xorlev: 'sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /mnt/ntfs' - should that fail, unmount it and run fsck on it.
[04:31] <nomed> hi all
[04:31] <tristanmike> Rhisc, hello
[04:31] <nomed> from what i'm reading ubuntu will and doesn't use xdebconfigurator ... is there any other script that can generate an xorg.conf file for a livecd?
[04:32] <cafuego_> nomed: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:32] <bob2> nomed: it generates it by default...
[04:32] <nomed> i was searching something that doesn't need user interaction ..
[04:33] <cafuego_> nomed: the fbdev X server
[04:33] <Rhisc> does anyone know how to install ati drivers ?
[04:33] <karen> HELP!!! please.  I have a deskjet 812 c printer and it just stopped working.  Shows exclamation mark does that mean it's no longer detecting it? how do i fix?
[04:33] <cafuego_> nome that's SLOW though
[04:33] <bob2> Rhisc: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:33] <nomed> bob2 should i write something in any runlevel scripts?
[04:34] <bob2> nomed: on the livecd? no
[04:34] <Agamotto> karen:  I know this sounds stupid, but have you tried plugging into another USB port?
[04:34] <Rhisc> also... can anyone reccomend a good mud client?
[04:34] <karen> well it was working fine and then it just stopped suddenly.
[04:34] <penguinboy> question....what folder contains my sources list?
[04:34] <wastrel> a mud client?
[04:34] <nomed> bob2 i'm not using tha ubuntu livecd ... as base.
[04:34] <Rhisc> yeah
[04:34] <wastrel> i thought muds were telnet
[04:34] <Agamotto> karen:  What was it doing when it died?
[04:34] <Rhisc> they are
[04:35] <tristanmike> penguinboy, etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <wastrel> so you're looking for a telnet client?
[04:35] <penguinboy> thank you
[04:35] <karen> i was trying to print out an envelope
[04:35] <tristanmike> np
[04:35] <Rhisc> yes