[00:39] <scheinbc> Hi! I'm running Ubuntu 13.10 and I'm trying to set up a usb Hauppauge WinTV HVR950Q.
[00:40] <scheinbc> My system recognizes the tuner card just fine but the card doesn't find any channels when I scan.
[00:40] <scheinbc> I've tried scanning in MythTV and through a terminal with w_scan
[01:05] <Hydroponx> scheinbc, have you looked at http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-950Q ?
[01:08] <scheinbc> Hydroponx: I have - the firmware loads successfully.
[01:11] <Hydroponx> are you using the stock antenna ?
[01:16] <scheinbc> I am.
[01:17] <Hydroponx> might try another antenna, some people have a problem with it
[01:18] <Hydroponx> and are you using digital or analog sid ?
[01:19] <scheinbc> Digital OTA broadcast. Or trying.
[01:21] <scheinbc> hm
[01:21] <scheinbc> now when I run dmesg i get a ton of messages saying "tuner has no way to set tv frequency"
[18:56] <lapion> does anyone know how to correctly fix the cannot import aptmessagedialog problem ?
[18:57] <lapion> whenever one starts mythbuntu control centre ?
[18:57] <lapion> on ubuntu 13.10


[00:53] <khoover> oh, anyone here know about board-gaming groups near Markham, ON?
[00:53] <khoover> got BSG: The Board Game, and have no one to play it with. T_T
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:04] <bregma> cold this morning... refreshing
[14:28] <dscassel> Had to do some furnace maintenance, but managed to get that done this morning.
[14:28] <dscassel> Cold last night, though.
[15:20]  * genii-around sets the thermostat to 15℃ and gets out the sweater
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yup genii-around dscassel , we had frost on the rooftops here this AM
[15:50] <BluesKaj> it was '0' when I got up at 7
[15:51] <genii-around> I don't mind being cold.


[00:53] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: I'm drained of energy being under the weather but Lubuntu has this seed issue we just can't seem to work out that's left over from the whole split seed thing. jbicha thinks it's tasksel, which very well could be the case because the darn package hasn't been touched since Artful, and I've only gotten as far as to see it doesn't reflect the Bazaar -> Git move. wxl can't make
[00:53] <tsimonq2> heads or tails of `ubuntu-seeds.pl` and I need to prioritize my health, but whatever the root cause is, it's a Release Blocker for Lubuntu. I understand it's likely too late for the Beta, fine, but for the final images someone should go through and port that over.
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Xubuntu will probably see effects soon, if Xubuntu Core didn't exist before Artful, and we will too because the Platform seed was switched over. Please, can I get some help here?
[00:55] <tsimonq2> Whatever it is, it's causing packages to exist which should exist in the dailies, e.g.. in the case of xfsprogs not coming in at all.
[00:56] <tsimonq2> (er, my wording is off, it is causing packages to exist in a case where this is occurong)
[00:56] <tsimonq2> *occurring
[01:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: docker.io (cosmic-proposed/universe) [17.12.1-0ubuntu6 => 18.06.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[01:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.06.1-0ubuntu1]
[02:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-builder (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.0-1ubuntu1 => 3.30.1-2ubuntu1] (desktop-extra)
[03:52] <slangasek> tsimonq2: tasksel uploaded
[03:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tasksel (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.34ubuntu11 => 3.34ubuntu12] (core)
[04:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected liblivemedia [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2018.09.18-1]
[04:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gvfs [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.38.0-2ubuntu2]
[04:10] <tsimonq2> slangasek: many thanks
[04:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected gnome-builder [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-1ubuntu1]
[04:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinder [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2:13.0.0-0ubuntu3]
[04:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted neutron [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2:13.0.0-0ubuntu4]
[04:22] <jbicha> slangasek: new gnome-builder is going to fail its build tests on i386 so I don't know, maybe you want to reject it too
[05:16] <slangasek> jbicha: well, if a fixed upload was imminent I might; but the other reject was simply because it was superseded before it made it through the queue
[05:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-builder [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.1-2ubuntu1]
[05:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (xenial-proposed/main) [2.408.36 => 2.408.37] (desktop-core)
[07:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apturl (bionic-proposed/main) [0.5.2ubuntu14.1 => 0.5.2ubuntu14.2] (ubuntu-desktop)
[07:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mir (cosmic-proposed/main) [0.32.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.0.0-0ubuntu1] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)
[07:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: colord (cosmic-release/main) [1.3.3-2build1 => 1.4.3-3] (core) (sync)
[07:59] <doko> xnox: looks like all the openssl related autopkg tests need a retrigger against all-proposed
[08:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-control-center (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.1.5-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.6-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[08:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pylint (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.9.2-1 => 2.1.1-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[08:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pylint [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [2.1.1-1]
[08:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mir [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[08:21] <doko> Laney: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cross-toolchain-base/cosmic/amd64  any idea why it run under three hours in some cases, and above 12 hours in others?
[08:23] <Laney> doko: not really, are you sure it's not a bug in the package itself that it sometimes gets into a bad state?
[08:23] <Laney> if you look at the "--security-groups" value at the top of each log you can see which cloud it ran on, maybe there's a correlation there
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-indicators (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1 => 1.1.2-0ubuntu1] (ubuntukylin)
[08:24] <doko> I wouldn't know why. it's just a rebuild for one cross toolchain
[08:26] <Laney> and I guess maybe look at what happens in the logs differently between the good and bad cases
[08:26] <Laney> might give us some hints
[08:35] <doko> no, both lcy and lgw involved in both short and long builds
[08:35] <doko> I could add some timestamps in the build log to see if a particular package just builds slowly
[09:16] <xnox> doko, whilst it looks like python3.6 and 3.7 will be fine, i don't think retries will help in 2.7 case =( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zz6dm5Nj9P/
[09:21] <doko> xnox: will update to the branch later today. there are some new openssl related changes
[09:22] <doko> fyi, ruby2.5 ftbfs on amd64
[09:22] <xnox> doko, well, it doesn't =)
[09:22] <xnox> doko, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby2.5/+bug/1794059 after 4 retries it built....
[09:23] <xnox> affects ruby2.5 too
[09:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1020.23]
[10:00] <cascardo> we are also seeing lots of timeouts on ADT, and that's preventing our latest cosmic kernel to migrate
[10:46] <xnox> doko, right, and i think i want python3.6 update too, the stuff that uses SSL_CTX_set_post_handshake_auth@OPENSSL_1_1_1 1.1.1 symbol. I see patches for that in master, 3.7 and 3.6. But not 2.7 =( https://bugs.python.org/issue34670
[10:47] <xnox> and that makes the python gain a >= 1.1.1 dep too
[10:48] <tdaitx> need an archive admin to remove gradle-debian-helper 2.0.1 from -proposed, it's blocking groovy and I actually have a merge request for gradle 2.0.1ubuntu1 (LP: #1794122) but groovy needs to go first
[10:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: packagekit (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.1.10-1ubuntu5 => 1.1.10-1ubuntu6] (desktop-core)
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: systemd (cosmic-proposed/main) [239-7ubuntu8 => 239-7ubuntu9] (core)
[11:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: networkd-dispatcher (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.7-0ubuntu6 => 1.7-0ubuntu7] (core)
[11:29] <fossfreedom_> Quick question for the 18.10 iso's  - at the end of the install I see "Please remove the installation medium, then reboot" - in 18.04 you also were advised to press enter to reboot.  Is this a deliberate change?  Just wondering if the QA tracker scripts needs updating
[11:31] <doko> RAOF: yaml-cpp needs a MIR
[11:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.4.0-137.163] (core, kernel)
[11:46] <xnox> fossfreedom_, there are two messages.
[11:47] <xnox> fossfreedom_, the message you see - means that plymouth has failed on your system.
[11:47] <xnox> fossfreedom_, we added this one as a fallback, when the other one does not work.
[11:47] <fossfreedom_> ah - makes more sense
[11:47] <xnox> fossfreedom_, previously people saw black screen or corrupted screen and complained that "no message appeared"
[11:47] <xnox> fossfreedom_, this is now "fixed"
[11:49] <maltris> Cheers! I am interested in when this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1789653 gets merged into xenial-updates? Verification seems to be there. Is there anything missing I can contribute?
[11:49] <fossfreedom_> xnox: should I raise an issue on maybe plymouth - or is this being tracked?
[12:00] <xnox> fossfreedom_, no, there is no issue. and everything is working as expected.
[12:01] <xnox> fossfreedom_, we had a laptop during last release sprint which would fail to show shutdown splash half of the time; hence we added this extra message - meaning a user gets a message with an instruction always now.
[12:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3.6 (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.6.6-4build1 => 3.6.6-4ubuntu1] (core)
[12:06] <fossfreedom_> xnox: cheers
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-usage (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.28.0-2 => 3.30.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pipewire (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.2.3-1 => 0.2.3-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-usage [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [3.30.0-1]
[12:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pipewire [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.2.3-3]
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-shell-extension-workspaces-to-dock (cosmic-proposed/universe) [48-1 => 48-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-shell-extension-workspaces-to-dock [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [48-2]
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted os-autoinst [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [4.5.1527308405.8b586d5-1]
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted os-autoinst [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [4.5.1527308405.8b586d5-1]
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python3.6 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.6.6-4ubuntu1]
[12:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-github-bep-go-tocss [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.5.0-1]
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python2.7 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.7.15-4ubuntu2 => 2.7.15-4ubuntu3] (core)
[12:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: udisks2 (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.7.6-3ubuntu2 => 2.7.6-3ubuntu3] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python2.7 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [2.7.15-4ubuntu3]
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-indicator-applet (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-1 => 1.20.1-2ubuntu0] (ubuntu-mate)
[12:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python3.7 (cosmic-proposed/main) [3.7.0-7 => 3.7.0-7ubuntu1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[12:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python3.7 [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3.7.0-7ubuntu1]
[12:35] <mitya57> Wimpress: ^^ 1.20.1-2ubuntu0 is a semantically invalid version number, you probably meant 1.20.1-1ubuntu1
[12:36] <Wimpress> mitya57: Can you reject it?
[12:40] <Wimpress> xnox: Please can you reject mate-indicator-applet 1.20.1-2ubuntu0 and I'll reupload with the correct version.
[12:41]  * mitya57 can’t reject it, just noticed it in the log
[12:42] <xnox> Wimpress, no i cannot reject that either, you need an archive admin.
[12:43] <xnox> !archive-admin please remove.... oh wait there is not archive-admin highligh =)
[12:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: open-vm-tools (cosmic-proposed/main) [2:10.3.0-0ubuntu2 => 2:10.3.0-0ubuntu3] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[12:45] <cpaelzer> ah right that is unapproved now due to the freeze
[12:52] <Wimpress> I need an update mate-indicator-applet in cosmic. It fixes a serious issue.
[12:53] <Wimpress> Happy to reload with a correct version for the deb if an admin can reject the recent upload.
[13:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-desktop (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-2ubuntu1 => 1.20.3-2] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin, xubuntu) (sync)
[13:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: marco (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-2ubuntu1 => 1.20.2-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-panel (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-3ubuntu1 => 1.20.3-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-backgrounds (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.20.0-2] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-themes (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.22.16-4ubuntu1 => 3.22.18-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-6-cross-ports (cosmic-proposed/universe) [28ubuntu4 => 28ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-control-center (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.2-2ubuntu1 => 1.20.3-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-6-cross-ports [source] (cosmic-proposed) [28ubuntu5]
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-power-manager (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-2ubuntu1 => 1.20.2-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: atril (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-2ubuntu2 => 1.20.2-1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin, xubuntu) (sync)
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: eom (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.0-2ubuntu1 => 1.20.1-1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin) (sync)
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-utils (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.0-0ubuntu1 => 1.20.1-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pluma (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-3ubuntu1 => 1.20.2-1] (ubuntu-mate, ubuntukylin) (sync)
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-screensaver (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-1 => 1.20.2-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[13:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: strongswan (cosmic-proposed/main) [5.6.3-1ubuntu1 => 5.6.3-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[13:46] <Wimpress> Laney: You are an archive admin, right?
[13:46] <Laney> no
[13:46] <Wimpress> #sadface
[13:46] <Laney> tell me about it
[13:47] <Wimpress> I have a face. It looks sad.
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: networkd-dispatcher (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.7-0ubuntu6 => 1.7-0ubuntu8] (core)
[13:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nginx (cosmic-proposed/main) [1.15.3-0ubuntu1 => 1.15.4-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[13:49] <Wimpress> didrocks You are an archive admin, right?
[13:50] <teward> if someone could Approve the NGINX upload to proposed, that'd be great, it got an FFe approval from sil2100 in the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1794321
[13:50] <apw> Wimpress, you are looking fora  reject ?
[13:51] <Wimpress> apw: Yes please. Could you reject mate-indicator-applet 1.20.1-2ubuntu0.
[13:51] <Wimpress> And I'll upload again with the correct deb version.
[13:51] <cyphermox> could someone in the SRU team please review netplan.io and ledmon in the bionic unapproved queue?
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected mate-indicator-applet [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.20.1-2ubuntu0]
[13:54] <Wimpress> apw: Thank you.
[13:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: amavisd-new (cosmic-proposed/main) [1:2.11.0-1ubuntu1 => 1:2.11.0-1ubuntu2] (ubuntu-server)
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-indicator-applet (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1.20.1-1 => 1.20.1-1ubuntu1] (ubuntu-mate)
[14:01] <Wimpress> cyphermox: Please could you accept mate-indicator-applet 1.20.1-1ubuntu1?
[14:01] <Wimpress> It include a critical fix for Ubuntu MATE 18.10. For which I'll need to respin the iso.
[14:02] <cyphermox> Wimpress: sorry, I don't have that kind of access
[14:03] <Wimpress> cyphermox: OK. Can you suggest someone I can seek assistance from?
[14:04] <cyphermox> you need someone in the release team, if you say it's a critical fix (and it certainly sounds plausible given it's mate-indicator-applet), then it should be fine to land
[14:04] <cyphermox> depends who's on
[14:05] <jbicha> please accept tasksel/cosmic since it tries to fix an important issue for Lubuntu
[14:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mate-dock-applet (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.86-2 => 0.87-1] (ubuntu-mate) (sync)
[14:06] <apw> Wimpress, i can have a look at that
[14:06] <jbicha> I don't know if it's worth respinning everything just for that but at least it can be ready if we do need a respin
[14:06] <Wimpress> apw: Thank you!
[14:06] <cyphermox> jbicha: at least it will be available, doesn't necessarily require a respin
[14:07] <apw> Wimpress, if i read this right the existing package is utterly broken ... right ?
[14:08] <jbicha> oh I see, tasksel isn't seeded on the desktop images
[14:08] <cyphermox> jbicha: well, it's a bit more complicated than that, but yeah ;)
[14:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mate-indicator-applet [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.20.1-1ubuntu1]
[14:11] <teward> apw: any chance while you're in there that you can do an accept on nginx/cosmic since it already got its FFe approval?
[14:11] <Wimpress> apw: Thanks
[14:11] <teward> if not, that's fine just thought I'd ask :)
[14:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: unity (cosmic-proposed/universe) [7.5.0+18.10.20180827-0ubuntu1 => 7.5.0+18.10.20180926.2-0ubuntu1] (no packageset) (sync)
[14:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted unity [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [7.5.0+18.10.20180926.2-0ubuntu1]
[14:18] <apw> teward, normally that would be a slam dunk i am sure, but we are in beta-freeze through thursday
[14:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Kylin Desktop amd64 [Cosmic Beta] has been marked as ready
[14:44] <infinity> jbicha: tasksel isn't even on (most) media.
[14:44] <infinity> jbicha: Oh, you got there.
[14:52] <infinity> tsimonq2: From your (not entirely clear) description of your problem, I'm not sure how you think tasksel could relate at all, since it's not involved in either the building or installation of desktop dailies.
[14:53] <teward> apw: so then I have to wait to Thursday though nginx isn't on the seeds that I'm aware of?
[14:53] <infinity> teward: It's seeded in server.
[14:53] <teward> huh that must be a recent change
[14:53] <teward> infinity: missed that, but i see it now
[14:53] <teward> thanks i'll wait
[14:53] <apw> right, would have auto-accepted if it wasn't seeded
[14:55] <teward> infinity: apw: none of these issues it's fixing are major enough to break beta freeze, however after beta freeze if we could get the fixes in that'd be great
[14:56] <teward> (I missed the beta freeze announcement whoops?:)
[14:56] <infinity> teward: Yeah, it'll get in.
[14:56] <teward> +1 thanks.  (I'll have to see when it was added to the seeds...)
[14:56] <teward> (since apparently I wasn't aware of that or missed it (or forgot because I"m overworked))
[14:59] <tjaalton> infinity: mesa on the queue fixes virtualbox guest not booting up properly, would be nice to have that in the beta if possible
[15:00] <infinity> tjaalton: That means respinning literally every image.
[15:00] <infinity> tjaalton: If it's just virtualbox, my carefactor is low.
[15:00] <tjaalton> ok
[15:00] <jibel> infinity, desktop team carefactor is rather high
[15:02] <infinity> jibel: Is this the bug you filed?  (which was qemu, not vbox...)
[15:02] <jibel> infinity, it's bug 1792932
[15:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-builder (cosmic-proposed/universe) [3.30.1-2ubuntu1 => 3.30.1-2ubuntu2] (desktop-extra)
[15:04] <infinity> And a lovely 3.4MB diff.
[15:07] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, if this can make you feel better, mesa in the queue switches to llvm-7, so llvm-6 can go in universe from main
[15:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mesa [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.2.1-1ubuntu1]
[15:07] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: I know.
[15:07] <LocutusOfBorg> does it make you feel better? :)
[15:08] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks <3
[15:08]  * LocutusOfBorg crosses  fingers
[15:08] <tjaalton> once it's built it'll end up in NEW because of libd3dadapter*
[15:08] <tjaalton> and yeah thanks
[15:09] <tjaalton> also, xorg-lts-transitionals would allow x-x-v-amdgpu to migrate
[15:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xorg-lts-transitional [source] (cosmic-proposed) [3:14.4]
[15:17] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, is it possible to see ldc migrate?
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> it should need libundead removal on armhf (no reverse deps, it has been broken since forever)
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> and sambamba kick out from release
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> this release has full arm64 working support
[15:18] <LocutusOfBorg> while armhf is a no-go (and it has never been working, since no rdep has been working, or compiling test code)
[15:22] <willcooke> infinity, the problem we have is that a lot of beta testers will do their testing on Virtualbox and if that's broken out of the box, that's going to affect the reach of our testing.  We can make sure the iso tests are back to the state they are in now a few hours after a new image
[15:22] <tjaalton> willcooke: accepted already ;)
[15:22]  * willcooke winds his neck in
[15:22] <willcooke> thank you very much
[15:23] <infinity> tjaalton: Accepted to -proposed, not migrated.
[15:23] <infinity> willcooke: So, the concern with migrating it is that it's on *every* image, not just Ubuntu.
[15:23] <tjaalton> infinity: you mean -amdgpu?
[15:23] <tjaalton> oh
[15:23] <infinity> willcooke: So, do you have people willing to help out re-testing flavours if we let it migrate and respin the world later today?
[15:23] <willcooke> infinity, I personally sign up to iso test every image
[15:23] <tjaalton> right, nothing has migrated yet
[15:24] <willcooke> infinity, yeah I can get that sorted
[15:24] <infinity> willcooke: In that case, I'll unblock it if/when it passes britney/adt testing.
[15:24] <willcooke> infinity, thank you
[15:24]  * willcooke readies a whole load of VMs
[15:24] <infinity> willcooke, jibel: Did anyone make headway on the "gdm no come up" bug?
[15:25] <infinity> If we're respinnig the world, that would be nice to nail down too.
[15:25] <willcooke> jibel is looking at that one now I think
[15:26] <jibel> infinity, I'm the only who reproduce this bug for the moment, so less a priority until its understood
[15:27] <infinity> jibel: Oh, so maybe we just need to disable the bit that turns on the webcam and refuses to boot if it sees you?
[15:29] <jibel> infinity, yeah or I should try showing your face to check if it boots
[15:30] <sil2100> jibel: were you testing that on real hardware or kvm?
[15:30] <infinity> kvm.
[15:30]  * sil2100 tries
[15:30] <infinity> At least, the log he posted is very qemu.
[15:30] <infinity> It was also on an Opteron, which may or may not relate.
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[15:51] <Wimpress> infinity: I'm waiting on mate-indicator-applet to promote from proposed. It fixes a serious issue in Ubuntu MATE 18.10
[15:51] <Wimpress> I see the arm builders are delayed.
[15:52] <Wimpress> Which is why mate-indicator-applet is not promoting from proposed.
[15:59] <infinity> Wimpress: Scored up.
[16:02] <cjwatson> ARM build queues should clear shortly.
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[16:08] <tjaalton> qemu worked fine here fwiw, also with new mesa
[16:08] <cjwatson> (Or maybe not.  Investigating with IS.)
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[16:09] <sil2100> jibel: huh, I think I reproduced your issue on my kvm
[16:10] <sil2100> jibel: first boot after installation, saw plymouth loading, then it turned into a black screen with the console cursor blinking on top and nothing
[16:10] <sil2100> jibel: it's been like this since 2 minutes already
[16:10] <infinity> sil2100: That's definitely his bug.
[16:10] <Wimpress> infinity: Cheers
[16:11] <infinity> willcooke: Is that gdm3 upload suspected to address the issue, or just a random hail mary "well, maybe a new upstream?"
[16:11] <infinity> Or just someone staging a post-beta merge.
[16:11] <infinity> Wimpress: Not that scoring up will do any good until scalingstack is picked up off the floor.
[16:12] <Laney> The last one.
[16:12] <infinity> Laney: Kay.
[16:12] <Laney> It does have some fixes that might affect this bug, but until someone's tested that, I wouldn't apply any particular urgency to it.
[16:13] <infinity> Gah.  Yanking on the little pull-tab to un-wax my Babybel succeeded in nothing except to pull the string out.    I remembered that knives exist.
[16:15] <willcooke> That was a close one
[16:16] <sil2100> phew
[16:16] <willcooke> infinity, I've let the flavours know what's going on.
[16:16] <teward> you actually made me laugh today, infinity, thanks for that xD  (I needed something to cheer me up it's a dreary day here)
[16:17] <sil2100> ...cheese flavours?
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [3.13.0-160.210]
[16:21] <infinity> teward: I'm glad my personal breakfast anguish could bring you joy.
[16:22] <sil2100> It was no laughing matter, the release was at risk here
[16:22] <infinity> Well, the release of my cheese, at any rate.
[16:22] <sil2100> A release is a release
[16:23] <sil2100> !
[16:23] <sil2100> jibel: hm, gdm doesn't come up for me at all, even after 15 minutes
[16:23] <teward> infinity: sorry, it doesn't take much to amuse me on a crazy dark and dreary day xD
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[16:39] <cjwatson> scalingstack is better now
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[16:43] <willcooke> infinity, Do you know of any other fixes that might go in for the same respin?  The flavours are planning who to get to do the testing
[16:43] <willcooke> also, any ideas when the images will pop out?
[16:44] <infinity> willcooke: I refreshed a couple of stale metas, but the only big thing will be mesa, I think.
[16:44] <willcooke> infinity, got it thanks
[16:44] <infinity> willcooke: Images won't be for a long while.  mesa's got a lot of testing it needs to pass.
[16:44] <flocculant> willcooke: bit early for 'are we there yet' :p
[16:44] <infinity> willcooke: And it still needs to build on arm*, due to the above scalingstack oops.
[16:44] <flocculant> infinity: thanks :)
[16:44] <willcooke> I need to know if I can start on my beer before or after testing
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[16:45] <infinity> willcooke: It's never the wrong time for beer.
[16:45] <willcooke> Sounds like tomorrow morning my time might be good enough
[16:45] <willcooke> for testing, not beer
[16:45] <infinity> What did I just say?
[16:45] <flocculant> morning beer is good :p
[16:45] <teward> infinity: by extension, then, it's never the wrong time for booze.  *takes a swig from the flask he has*
[16:45]  * willcooke makes plans for the release sprint
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[16:52] <infinity> wxl: Fixed your live-common seed issue.
[16:52] <infinity> wxl: (See the last commit on the lubuntu seeds)
[17:14] <wxl> infinity: you are the man. in return, i've concocted a game plan to get the shortlist of TB candidates.
[17:20] <infinity> wxl: Does it involve following Mark from country to country and poking him every 5 minutes?
[17:32] <wxl> infinity: not quite. but almost.
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[17:57] <wxl> jbicha: you did a test on the lubuntu live image and included bug 1794440 in your report but 18.10 doesn't have lxterminal
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[18:41] <wxl> jbicha: i'm just going to delete your result.
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[19:14] <jbicha> wxl: sorry about that, does Lubuntu have someone that could look at that issue though?
[19:14] <wxl> jbicha: for 18.10 we're not really supporting LXDE.
[19:15] <wxl> get the clone link from https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lubuntu-artwork/
[19:16] <wxl> this one doesn't follow the norm
[19:16] <jbicha> wxl: does that mean I can sync over https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxterminal/0.3.1-2ubuntu1 ?
[19:16] <jbicha> (meaning can I drop that change?)
[19:16] <wxl> jbicha: as i said, we're not really supporting it, so unless someone is planning on backporting it for bionic or before, we're kind of out of the loop
[19:17] <wxl> jbicha: that said, i'd put the decision into the hands of ubuntu devs as a whole. my 2¢ is that it seems reasonable
[19:17] <infinity> wxl: I'd say that, as part of dropping support going forward for LXDE, it would be good to push any useful deltas to Debian and sync over the Ubuntu packages, so you can wash your hands of it.
[19:17] <jbicha> done :)
[19:18] <infinity> wxl: Just leaving delta cruft around unmaintained isn't helpful.
[19:18] <wxl> ^^ ahem @tsimonq2
[19:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lxterminal (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.3.1-2ubuntu2 => 0.3.2-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:19]  * tsimonq2 reads scrollback
[19:19] <jbicha> context was bug 1794440
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[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lxterminal [sync] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3.2-1]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8.5]
[19:23] <tsimonq2> infinity, jbicha: Lubuntu as a flavor team no longer cares about LXDE (and thus, LXTerminal) at all in Cosmic+ with the exception of following best practice in making sure fixes are in devel before SRUing them to releases we support. So please use your best judgment as Ubuntu Developers, but it's also "not our problem" anymore (specifically) unless it's also an SRU-justifiable problem in the
[19:23] <tsimonq2> stable release.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> tl;dr, JFDI.
[19:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: Leaving a bunch of deltas around and declaring "not our problem" is pretty hostile behaviour.
[19:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: i think what i'm reading from infinity is that we go through all the LXDE packages and and push any Ubuntu deltas to Debian in the effort of cleaning up our mess
[19:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: That's what I was driving at above.  If you want to walk away from a set of packages, please leave them in a state where others don't have to run around trying to figure out how to unstick them.
[19:25] <infinity> (no automated process will do those merges, after all)
[19:26] <tsimonq2> infinity: Let me clarify; maintainance of the packages in Universe in general is no longer our problem as a team. If there's some stuff we didn't clean up, please do ping me about it, but if you have clear justification, go ahead. I guess I haven't looked through the deltas we have left behind but if I recall we're talking single digits, if that.
[19:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Works for me.
[19:26] <infinity> tsimonq2: Sure, I haven't done an audit, this just came up because of lxterminal.  If it's single-digits, I'd love the digit to be 0. ;)
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[19:27] <tsimonq2> Apologies, I have a bit of a spaghetti brain right now, what wxl says is what I agree with. Perhaps wxl can follow up with LStranger in Debian?
[19:27] <tsimonq2> I mean no hostility. :)
[19:27] <tsimonq2> infinity: But yes, we are agreed there.
[19:28] <wxl> suffice it to say we'll put it on the TODO list but i think we're up against the wall right now. so until cosmic is out, i think it would be best to just ask if there are questions. after that we can do a more formal and complete audit.
[19:28] <wxl> does that work, infinity ?
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1021.22]
[19:28] <tsimonq2> That.
[19:28] <infinity> wxl: Yeah, my carefactor for deltas in cosmic is low, since we're past FF anyway, it's going forward, I don't want some old-lubuntu package to go unmerged for 2 years because "no one cares anymore".  Resolving deltas and syncing makes that go away.
[19:29] <wxl> yeah, no. we don't want to roll that way at all, either.
[19:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [4.4.0-137.163~14.04.1]
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[20:08] <infinity> jbicha: Still around?
[20:08] <jbicha> yes
[20:10] <infinity> jbicha: You're TIL on pygobject it seems.  What's the point in python3-gi-cairo if python3-gi depends on cairo? :P
[20:11] <infinity> jbicha: (Or, put another way, I think maybe you messed up, because python3-gi now depends on cairo when it didn't used to, pulling a bunch of X stuff into the base system)
[20:12] <infinity> jbicha: I think that's responsible for the bulk of this: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/priority-mismatches.txt
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[20:41] <jbicha> well I didn't cause it but I'm still investigating. One interesting change in 3.29 was that we switched to pybuild
[20:41] <jbicha> the new dep showed up in 3.29.2 but it took a while for that to migrate out of -proposed
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[21:21] <mwhudson> [1.10-1ubuntu1~16.04.1 => 1.10.4-2ubuntu1~16.04.1 ??
[21:21] <mwhudson> oh backports
[21:39] <valorie> so is the respin happening?
[21:39] <infinity> valorie: Waiting on mesa autopkgtests.
[21:39] <valorie> ok
[21:40] <valorie> I guess there is always tonight to run tests
[21:40] <acheronuk> valorie: and I can do some in the morning UK time
[21:40] <infinity> Though I may short circuit that soon if the tests look plausibly okay on enough arches.
[21:40] <wxl> this isn't the "vbox" respin, right?
[21:40] <infinity> wxl: It is.
[21:40] <wxl> huh. just booted in vbox.
[21:41] <infinity> You're clearly special.
[21:41] <acheronuk> valorie: oh, autotests :D
[21:41] <wxl> clearly :)
[21:41] <valorie> we <3 autotests
[21:41] <valorie> right?
[21:41] <acheronuk> when they pass and are quick!
[21:41] <valorie> amen to that
[21:45] <infinity> Not unlike kidney stones.
[21:46] <infinity> That said, it probably won't surprise anyone that mesa has a few rdeps, and I think it's important they actually get tested.
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[22:22] <wxl> oh now i get it the "vbox bug" is a ubiquity-related bug it seems. no problem with calamares.
[22:50] <RAOF> doko: Urgh, I thought I picked a yaml library already in main. Ok, filing.
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[11:51] <apw> smoser, smb is likely off for the forseeable
[15:12] <smoser> apw, yeah, figured as much. (i am too)
[16:22] <apw> cjwatson, Sarvatt, i think i have a machine which is hanging on warm-boot as well, all intel
[16:26] <apw> cjwatson, its hanging in between 'GRUB Loading' and the grub menu being emitted in 'SHIFT mode'
[16:26] <Sarvatt> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/686705 i'm positive its the nx emulation patch screwing it up on mine
[16:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686705 in linux (Ubuntu) "System hangs at GRUB loading screen every warm boot since 2.6.37-3.11 seemingly due to nx-emu patch (affects: 1) (heat: 441)" [Undecided,New]
 Sarvatt: also 'grub-install --debug-image=all <whatever device you install to>' may make it (lots!) more verbose
[16:27] <apw> Sarvatt, this also is a i386 install which is believeable
[16:27] <Sarvatt> tried that but I don't get any more info from it
[16:28] <apw> Sarvatt, right, i'd forgotten you had said that ... thanks ... did tim make you a kernel without for testing ?
[16:28] <Sarvatt> apw: generic-pae will work fine if its anything like mine
[16:29] <Sarvatt> apw: I made my own when I was bisecting, works fine without it
[16:29] <apw> Sarvatt, yeah but i guess as its more than one machine now i need to find out why :(
[16:29] <apw> Sarvatt, ok thanks will confirm that on mine, then try and work out what the heck it is leaving 'done' that grub cannot cope with
[16:30] <apw> Sarvatt, am i correct in thinking that its gfxmode=keep and NX in combination ... ie without either it works ?
[16:30] <Sarvatt> ahh crap, looks like I already trashed that kernel, sorry
[16:32] <apw> Sarvatt, no worries, will do due diligence and report back on your bug
[16:35] <Sarvatt> apw: I only used gfxpayload=text when I noticed it, tried with keep a bunch of times just in case
[16:39] <apw> Sarvatt, and =text worked i assume yes
[16:39] <apw> ?
[16:39] <Sarvatt> no
[16:39] <apw> Sarvatt, ahh ok ... hrm
[16:39]  * apw goes test on his
[17:42] <Quintasan> Hello, I'd like to know if the natty's newest kernel has the "magic" 200-lines patch included and if there are any plans to include it
[19:15] <apw> Sarvatt_, your machine with the reboot issue, is that a 64 bit cpu by any chance ?
[19:15] <apw> Sarvatt_, though running 32 bit kernels ?
[19:15] <Sarvatt_> apw: nope, atom
[19:16] <Sarvatt_> n270 in a netbook
[19:16] <apw> Sarvatt_, thanks
[19:29] <czr_> hi there. are kernel driver regressions things that have a chance to be fixed in lucid?
[19:29] <czr_> (specifically, #681132 in this case)
[19:30] <czr_> oops. #655868 infact..


[00:34] <Eeyore-Jr> sbalneav: still around?
[00:34] <Eeyore-Jr> swapped memory out, and ltsp server is up and running and i'm chattting from a 533mhz celeron with 256 mem
[00:35] <Eeyore-Jr> programs seem to work well, except chromium
[00:35] <Eeyore-Jr> is this normal or based on the video
[00:36] <Eeyore-Jr> er, video memory
[00:39] <Eeyore-Jr> btw, dhcp is # out in interfaces after rebooting preventing the server from accessing the router
[00:39] <Eeyore-Jr> on the RC
[00:40] <Eeyore-Jr> which seems to be a bug ?
[00:40] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm, this is slow.  is it because of the machine ?  or the network connection ?
[00:57] <Eeyore-Jr> anyone home?
[01:08] <Eeyore-Jr> what is the demand on the processor on the client?
[01:08] <Eeyore-Jr> would getting new pci video cards help the client?
[01:09] <Eeyore-Jr> does the client need 3d Graphics cards to run 3D type of games?
[01:17] <Eeyore-Jr> ug.  client came to a crawl and stopped.  now it's going again
[01:20] <Eeyore-Jr> back to a crawl
[01:38] <Eeyore-Jr> k, i pulled the cable from the pc and swapped computers.  i don't think the ltsp server understood what happened and continued to allow the other processes hang out there even though the thin client had been disconnected
[01:38] <Eeyore-Jr> the other computer i plugged into, has 512mb ram and a 2.0ghz processor
[01:38] <Eeyore-Jr> tried ri-li and chromium on it, but neither one worked.
[01:39] <Eeyore-Jr> ah, yes, and a video card with 128mb ram.  so it appears that ltsp is very limited on what apps it will serve
[01:41] <Eeyore-Jr> so anything with graphics is out?
[01:41] <Eeyore-Jr> how does edubuntu run kids games, like tux
[01:41] <Eeyore-Jr> ?
[01:45] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm, guess i'm stuck with a choice
[02:21] <Eeyore-Jr> just found nubea's fat client, which appears what i'm looking for
[02:21] <Eeyore-Jr> i recall in college, using a DG Unix server and doing graphics on it.  large graphics, for GIS.  is linux this far behind?
[02:23] <Eeyore-Jr> on the fat client, how does it konw to use the system?  the fat-client side
[02:26] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a msg bot here?  i'd like to leave a msg for nubae
[02:26] <Eeyore-Jr> i have some questions about his fat client
[02:29] <Eeyore-Jr>   flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[02:29] <Eeyore-Jr> E: Package libflashsupport has no installation candidate
[02:29] <Eeyore-Jr> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
[02:50] <rhce7322> what the the debian/ubuntu equiv of 'rpm -ql <pkg>'    or    'rpm -qf <file>'  ?
[02:50] <rhce7322> rpm -ql lists contents of a pkg
[02:50] <rhce7322> rpm -qf tells you what pkg a file came from
[02:55] <LaserJock> rhce7322: one sec
[02:56] <LaserJock> rhce7322: rpm -qf would be dpkg -S <file>
[02:56] <LaserJock> rhce7322: dpkg -c <file>.deb will show you the contents of a .deb file
[02:59] <Eeyore-Jr> k, xubuntu on ltsp was fast.  ubuntu was slow.  i've not tried kubuntu.  e was blazing fast.  is edubuntu any different than ubuntu?
[03:00] <LaserJock> not in terms of speed
[03:00]  * Eeyore-Jr should get a physch exam, as i'm always talking to myself
[03:00] <LaserJock> because it uses Gnome
[03:00] <LaserJock> but you can use xfce with Edubuntu too if you want
[03:00] <Eeyore-Jr> so why in the @#$# is ubuntu using ubnuntu for ltsp clients
[03:00] <Eeyore-Jr> that does not make sense
[03:00] <Eeyore-Jr> if the goal is to use older pcs on the network already
[03:01] <LaserJock> no
[03:01] <LaserJock> the goal is to use LTSP
[03:22] <Eeyore-Jr> i thought kubuntu 8.10 (kde4) would be heavy, but it's not.  it seems lighter than ubuntu even in ltsp
[03:24] <Eeyore-Jr> kde uses alsa.  will it also use pulseaudio?  i tried hydrogen and get no sound from kubuntu
[03:26] <Eeyore-Jr> hrm, now how to figure out to set default menus for each *untu
[03:43] <Eeyore-Jr> well, my testing is done with the exception of the fat client
[03:43] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm a little uneasy as it did not perform as expected, and i'm hoping i can work the kinks out before getting fired
[03:48] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a way to customize the user's login screen?  i noticed that when i installed kubuntu-desktop it asked me to choose gdm or kdm
[03:48] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a ltsp dm?
[03:54] <Eeyore-Jr> Video conferencing with Ekiga - how is this possible if it won't run a simple game?
[03:54] <Eeyore-Jr> i've noticed in the docs
[05:03] <rhce7322> LaserJock: Thanks 4 dpkg nfo.  Sorry, housework dragged me away.
[05:09] <rhce7322> LaserJock: Is there a database of installed debs that can be queried, or do I need to track down a phys .deb file if I want to know its contents eg, I want to find out where named stuffs its stuff, but don't have a bind9-n.n-n.deb anywhere handy.
[05:15] <rhce7322> looks like you can use /var/cache/apt/archive... as long as you don't flush...
[05:21] <stgraber> rhce7322: dpkg -L <package>
[05:22] <rhce7322> a-Ha!
[05:26] <rhce7322> Hmmmmmmm.  Debian stuffs bind zone files in /etc ???  I guess someone must have had a reason...
[05:34] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: a better answer to the "why is gnome used for Edubuntu" is that when Edubuntu was started Xubuntu didn't exist
[05:35] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: and Edubuntu used to ship xfce4 but it was moved to Universe so we don't anymore
[05:36] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: and LTSP uses ldm instead of gdm or kdm. It's made specifically for LTSP
[05:37] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: what you can run with LTSP depends largely on the LTSP server and network
[05:38] <LaserJock> Eeyore-Jr: Edubuntu is capable of doing video conferencing, but you would need a pretty nice server/network to do much of it
[05:39] <stgraber> LaserJock: or my latest localapp hack :) We do fullscreen skype conferencing on our thin clients at the office.
[05:40] <LaserJock> right
[11:31] <Eeyore-Jr> sooo, a quad4 intel and 4G ram and gigabyte ethernet and 7200 rpm drives with 32mb cache ram would do it?
[12:04] <Eeyore-Jr> Nubae: !
[12:04] <Eeyore-Jr> hi. i have some questions for you
[12:04] <Eeyore-Jr> i was following your blog entry, and used hardy on intrepid.  is there a way to "undo" this?
[12:05] <Eeyore-Jr> also, does the client pick how it boots on it's own?  how does it know to be a thin or a fat client?
[12:08] <Nubae> Eeyore-Jr: sure, just delete /opt/ltsp/fati386, and then download the intrepid version
[12:08] <Nubae> u need to install nfs on the server and export home too.
[12:09] <Nubae> sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server nfs-common portmap
[12:12] <Nubae> and then edit /etc/exports and include this line: /home <IP_ADDRESS>/24(rw,no_root_squash,async)
[12:12] <Nubae> finally do sudo exportfs -a
[12:13] <Eeyore-Jr> ok.  is that in your blog or did i miss something?
[12:14] <Eeyore-Jr> can i mix fat and thin clients on the same server?
[12:14] <Nubae> Well no, I assume people usually have nfs server installed, but I will add it, as it is sort of essential
[12:15] <Eeyore-Jr> yes, some of us are not as smart as you are :)
[12:15] <Nubae> yeah sure... for that take a look at step 5 here (adding fat client details to dhcp) here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients
[12:15] <Nubae> heh, its not about being smart, its just about routine... I've done this many times so I know what I am looking for. If I was smart I would not assume people have nfs and dhcp settings already set for fat client
[12:16] <Nubae> thats why people like yourself testing this is so imporant ;-)
[12:20] <Eeyore-Jr> it looks like i have a lot of work ahead of me.  i still am unclear, if i put two pcs on the network, one fat, and one thin, the server just knows or the client?  do i have to hard code the mac addresses?
[12:20] <Eeyore-Jr> {i skimed the doc}
[12:21] <Eeyore-Jr> or does it boot, and then go "oh, i see i have resources to work with" and boot fat
[12:23] <Eeyore-Jr> heh, sounds like me in the morning with breakfast
[12:26] <Nubae> its not much work, u just have to tell the client (by mac address) which image to load
[12:27] <Nubae> so the best way is to have 2 seperate sections like the dhcp entry on that page, one for fat clients, one for thin clients... this is useful for seperating off multiple chroots (you can also use that to seperate other customised chroots (amd64, mac chroot, kubuntu chroots, etc)
[12:28] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, that makes sense
[12:28] <Eeyore-Jr> i'll see what kind of headway i make on the test server
[12:29] <Eeyore-Jr> i working against the clock so to speak.  need by next wednesday and i don't quite understand everything that is going on yet
[12:34] <Nubae> well, Im here... so ask away if u have questions...
[12:34] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, thx.  i'm going to look at some cheap fat clients today
[12:34] <Nubae> but I definitely suggest using Intrepid, as it is the stablest LTSP so far
[12:36] <Eeyore-Jr> something i tried last evening was putting kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, and e on ... e was by far the fasted
[12:36] <Eeyore-Jr> er fastest
[12:37] <Nubae> yeah... its quite easy to make an E17 fat client... If I get some time today or tomrrow, I'll create a script to do that... should just be a couple of changes
[12:37] <Eeyore-Jr> i prefer kubuntu, but e was great for the thin client
[12:38] <Nubae> kubuntu-kde4?
[14:17] <ogra> stgraber, ooohm you got a rt2680 dirver for me ...
[14:17]  * ogra hugs stgraber
[16:55] <berriop> Just to say that I have applied for the Edubuntu Members and the Edubuntu BugSquad teams, I have been working with Ubuntu and LTSP for a while so I hope to contribute as much as I can
[19:57] <stgraber> ogra: :)
[19:58] <stgraber> ogra: was fun to play with dkms and quite easy to do. Just too bad it didn't get included (shouldn't need that much change to be good for inclusion but it was quite late in the release cycle)
[20:42] <stgraber> highvoltage: oh, your own company, sounds cool :)


[14:05] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:06] <thafreak> So, anyone run into the problem where your screen is locked overnight, and when you come back, you move the mouse, type on the keyboard etc
[14:06] <thafreak> and the screen comes back up, but no prompt apears to unlock the screen
[14:07] <thafreak> it used to hapen randomly on 10.10...now it seems to happen almost every day on 11.10....
[14:07] <thafreak> no idea what's going on...
[14:07] <thafreak> i tried switching to a virtual console, logging in and killing the gnome-screen saver process, but no luck
[14:08] <jrgifford> thafreak: unity?
[14:09] <thafreak> yeah currently, but this happened alot on 10.10 before unity too
[14:09] <jrgifford> hm.
[14:09] <jrgifford> haven't experienced this on my netbook - whats your graphics card?
[14:10] <thafreak> some ati card
[14:10] <thafreak> the machine was built by system 76...so you'd think it'd be a ubuntu friendly graphics card
[14:11] <thafreak> maybe i should email them...see if it's something they've heard others report
[14:24] <jrgifford> hm.
[15:07] <thafreak> so system 76 has their own forum on the ubuntu forums...
[15:07] <thafreak> but the search sucks
[15:07] <thafreak> why can't you search on phrases? keywords suck
[15:08] <paultag> thafreak: site:ubuntuforums.org search phrase
[15:08] <paultag> google :)
[16:40] <thafreak> So my boss came in and said she was concerned...she doesn't want me to take any classes for atleast a year
[16:40] <thafreak> so i can focus on this grant
[16:40] <thafreak> which is supposedly only for 60% of my time
[16:41] <thafreak> i like my job, just wish some one else was my boss
[17:34] <_bbb> im gonna need you to go ahead and come in on saturday
[18:01] <jrgifford> paultag: +1 for site:<sitename>.
[18:16] <dzho> oh heavens to murgatroid
[18:16] <dzho> I have the hardest time remembering "zareason"
[18:16] <dzho> but none at all remembering "system76"
[18:16] <dzho> this makes me sad
[18:23] <_bbb> i have no trouble forgetting either
[19:35] <thafreak> So i remember there being a tool which takes a python source package, and auto converts it to a deb
[19:35] <thafreak> is there something similar for a normal source package?
[19:36] <thafreak> does checkinstall work like that?
[19:36] <paultag> thafreak: it does in theory
[19:36] <paultag> but checkinstall is meh
[19:37] <paultag> you're better off debizing it yourself
[19:37] <thafreak> isn't there a tool to gen most of the debian/ dir for you?
[19:37] <paultag> yeah, but it's old and krufty
[19:37] <paultag> what software, thafreak ?
[19:38] <thafreak> so what's the state of the art then for making the debian dir?
[19:38] <thafreak> lessfs
[19:38] <paultag> thafreak: use one of my packages, I keep them well maintained
[19:38] <paultag> thafreak: is there a configure, make and make install
[19:38] <paultag> and is it automake?
[19:38] <thafreak> dunno if it's automake...but there's the usual configure make make install deal
[19:39] <thafreak> it's pretty simple...
[19:39] <paultag> thafreak: take this
[19:39] <paultag> thafreak: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/fbautostart.git;a=tree;f=debian;h=3ac73810316f553f65a1bb5c611e6b343fc5771c;hb=6ebf98b80ba2ee916c73baf779fe0d9fff6c74b4
[19:39] <thafreak> not sure why it's not already packaged actually
[19:39] <paultag> thafreak: clone that guy, and that'll work
[19:39] <paultag> just change up the control & changelog
[19:39] <paultag> rm the watch
[19:39] <paultag> and clean up the copyright
[19:39] <paultag> and it'd be archive worthy as well
[19:40] <paultag> thafreak: then you can send it to a ppa
[19:40] <paultag> then you won't have to work about krufty checkinstall crap
[19:40] <paultag> and you can rebuild every release
[19:41] <thafreak> still haven't read up on setting up a ppa...
[19:41] <thafreak> it's been high on my todo list...just haven't been looking at my todo list
[19:41] <paultag> just do it :)
[19:42] <thafreak> lessfs is pretty pimp on paper, fyi...inline deduplication, transparent compression, optional crypto and i think it can do replication too...
[19:42] <paultag> well
[19:42] <paultag> unless it's fuse you're going to have a tough time
[19:42] <paultag> because of kernel module shit
[19:42] <thafreak> oh yeah, it's fuse
[19:43] <paultag> oh, cool
[19:43] <paultag> well then good to go
[19:43] <thafreak> can you make a ppa that's usable on debian?
[19:43] <paultag> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570439
[19:43] <paultag> thafreak: no, sadly
[19:43] <paultag> thafreak: but it looks like there's an ITP
[19:43] <paultag> you should introduce it to Debian
[19:44] <paultag> oh wait
[19:44] <paultag> ah yeah, someone packaged it, but it's fuck all
[19:44] <thafreak> yeah it's not quite there yet
[19:44] <paultag> but it's been a month
[19:44] <thafreak> i'm waiting on it
[19:44] <paultag> let me find the thread
[19:44] <paultag> got the RFS
[19:45] <paultag> OK<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rejected it with a reqest to fix it up
[19:45] <paultag> end of thread
[19:45] <paultag> Would you mind being a bit more verbose in your package description
[19:45] <paultag> (maybe now AND next time you write an RFS) and motivation?


[07:01] <vorlon> xnox: well, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/unversioned-python-rm.html still looks wrong, only 2 packages in the "bad" set which is definitely a lie
[09:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected system-config-printer [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.5.11-4ubuntu2]
[10:03] <xnox> vorlon:  but is it more than 16?
[10:05] <xnox> vorlon:  so i think regexp is not matching things right with like
[10:06] <xnox> ", python (<< 2.8)," not being detected as "bad" potentially
[10:09] <vorlon> xnox: yes, if you expose the 'good' packages, the very first package in the list, bareos, has a build-dependency on python-dev (in -proposed; no version in release)
[10:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted stress-ng [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.10.07-1ubuntu4]
[10:09] <vorlon> xnox: bcron is similar, but in release and not in -proposed
[10:09] <vorlon> (i.e. no version in -proposed)
[10:12] <sil2100> cking: hey! I'm looking at the stress-ng upload for bionic - there is a verification-failed stress-ng already in bionic-proposed
[10:13] <sil2100> cking: I guess we want to revert it before we want to push the new one?
[10:13] <sil2100> cking: I think the stress-ng upload in the bionic queue is based on the -proposed version, right?
[10:15] <sil2100> cking: could you re-upload after sorting this out? If you think the previous bionic-proposed upload is still valid, please re-upload with -v to include the old bugs in the .changes, but I suppose it was supposed to be reverted
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected stress-ng [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.09.25-1ubuntu8]
[10:20] <seb128> I've submitted a small improvement to the by-team proposed-migration report, if someone want to give a look/review
[10:21] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-archive-scripts/display-migrate-after/+merge/380276
[10:21] <seb128> it adds the "needs to migrate after those items" information to Candidates
[10:22] <mwhudson> seb128: lgtm but needs ubuntu-archive to look i guess, do you have example output?
[10:24] <sil2100> The highlighting works o/
[10:25] <sil2100> Yeah, would be nice to see an example output of this, if possible, to see if it looks sane
[10:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-biometric-auth (eoan-proposed/universe) [1.0.3-2 => 1.0.3-2ubuntu0.1] (ubuntukylin)
[10:39] <seb128> sil2100, mwhudson, https://people.canonical.com/~seb128/report.html
[10:40] <seb128> sil2100, mwhudson , look at the dee entry or for libical3 for a fake multi-after-items one
[10:40] <mwhudson> seb128: i didn't know laney was not in the release pocket! :)
[10:40] <seb128> :)
[10:41]  * Laney caused too many regressions
[10:42] <seb128> sil2100, mwhudson, appdirs is a case of candidate without migrate-after showing that this case didn't regress
[11:01] <sil2100> seb128: I htink it looks good, approved
[11:03] <doko> vorlon, xnox: looks like ben is unable to handle transitions where virtual packages are involved. it throws everything into the same dependency level
[11:03] <vorlon> well ben's idea of dependency levels are upside-down anyway
[11:04] <Laney> we should update to a non ancient ben :(
[11:04] <Laney> can we get a container / chroot for a non-ancient release on snakefruit to do that in?
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem-osp1 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-1042.47] (no packageset)
[11:05] <vorlon> via an RT request, probably
[11:06] <doko> hmm, didn't Colin try to do that and failed to get it working? maybe retry with a focal container?
[11:07] <vorlon> I don't know
[11:08] <Laney> I do remember some experimentation having taken place but no details
[11:10] <vorlon> chroot:bionic-transitions
[11:10] <vorlon> exists
[11:15] <cjwatson> Yeah, I failed to get ben to work there
[11:15] <cjwatson> Feel free to try
[11:15] <cjwatson> I got lost in ocaml
[11:15] <cjwatson> I talked about it here at the time so it should be in IRC logs somewhere
[11:18] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[12:26] <kanashiro> hi! I'd like to ask your help to solve an issue I am facing regarding the multiple ruby-defaults regressions. More than 100 of them have this: "command1             FAIL non-zero exit status 77"
[12:26] <kanashiro> the latest gem2deb returns this when no test suite is declared
[12:27] <kanashiro> and the latest autodep8 considers this test skippable if it returns 77
[12:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apr-util (eoan-proposed/main) [1.6.1-4build1 => 1.6.1-4ubuntu0.1] (core)
[12:27] <kanashiro> however, yesterday we triggered a bunch of test executions against the autodep8 in proposed and we still get the same failures
[12:29] <kanashiro> is there a way to make sure that the autodep8 from proposed is used since it is not an actual test dependency?
[12:29] <Laney> autodep8's not run from the archive
[12:30] <Laney> we need to update that on the controller
[12:30] <Laney> I'll do that
[12:31] <kanashiro> Laney, thanks for the info and for taking action, I appreciate that :)
[12:34] <Laney> kanashiro: should be done, can you try one retry?
[12:35] <kanashiro> Laney, I can't, I am not a core-dev yet
[12:36] <kanashiro> Laney, could you try ruby-curses?
[12:36] <Laney> ok
[12:40] <Laney> kanashiro: it resulted in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:40] <LocutusOfBorg> nice kanashiro Laney thanks
[12:41] <kanashiro> Laney, great, the test was skipped
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted procps [source] (xenial-proposed) [2:3.3.10-4ubuntu2.5]
[12:41] <LocutusOfBorg> I tried to understand how to get autodep8 used
[12:41] <LocutusOfBorg> so can we retry them now? without even needing the extra trigger?
[12:42] <kanashiro> hey LocutusOfBorg o/ I've seen you triggered some reruns, thanks for your work
[12:42] <kanashiro> LocutusOfBorg, yes, I have a list of packages that should be fixed with the new autodep8, just a sec
[12:43] <kanashiro> LocutusOfBorg, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pdhSgsYVSh/
[12:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: hud (focal-proposed/primary) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3]
[12:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-biometric-auth [source] (eoan-proposed) [1.0.3-2ubuntu0.1]
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (eoan-proposed) [5.4.0-0ubuntu5.1]
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.0.0-1ubuntu8.15]
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1015.16~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (focal-proposed/main) [5.4.0-1004.4] (core, kernel)
[16:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libvirt (xenial-proposed/main) [1.3.1-1ubuntu10.29 => 1.3.1-1ubuntu10.30] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[16:13] <seb128> sil2100, another easy on to review, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-archive-scripts/report-include-timezone/+merge/380301
[16:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.0.0-1033.34] (kernel)
[16:53] <siqueira> Hi, Does anyone knows if Gnome3 session with Wayland will be set as a default on Ubuntu LTS 20.04 (FocalFossa)?
[16:56] <bryce> php-mailparse has a version string "3.0.4+2.1.7~dev20160128.orig"
[16:57] <bryce> so the tarball is named php-mailparse_3.0.4+2.1.7~dev20160128.orig.orig.tar.xz
[16:58] <bryce> when I upload a no-change rebuild of this package, I get an error back from Ubuntu Installer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <bryce> Rejected:
[16:58] <bryce> Unable to find php-mailparse_3.0.4+2.1.7~dev20160128.orig-1build1.debian.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[16:58] <bryce> php-mailparse_3.0.4+2.1.7~dev20160128.orig-1build1.dsc: must have only an orig.tar.*, a debian.tar.*, and
[16:58] <bryce> optionally orig-*.tar.*
[16:58] <bryce> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[16:58] <bryce> I'm guessing the '.orig' in the upstream tarball is the cause of the problem here, yes?
[16:58] <cjwatson> Adventures in corner cases
[16:59] <cjwatson> It seems like a good theory ...
[16:59] <bryce> so I'm wondering if there is an established workaround for this type of corner case?
[17:00] <cjwatson> I've never heard of this before
[17:00] <bryce> ah fun
[17:00] <cjwatson> If it is as you suggest then I think the workaround would be to use a less daft version
[17:00] <bryce> it sync'd in from Debian ok
[17:00] <cjwatson> But I haven't actually checked
[17:01] <cjwatson> I can't see anything in LP that specifically looks for .orig
[17:01] <cjwatson> Do you have the .changes file handy?
[17:02] <bryce> yeah
[17:03] <bryce> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2jtzpVssV2/
[17:05] <bryce> I wonder if something is detecting the .orig as indicating this is a source archive upload
[17:05] <cjwatson> bryce: Well, LP is right, you don't have a debian.tar.xz there.  I expect ... yes, that
[17:05] <cjwatson> Probably dpkg-genchanges
[17:05] <cjwatson> You could work around it by manually editing the .changes or by finding the dpkg bug and fixing that locally ...
[17:05] <cjwatson>         foreach my $f (grep { m/\.orig(-.+)?\.tar\.$ext$/ } $checksums->get_files()) {
[17:05] <cjwatson> Maybe that
[17:05] <bryce> cjwatson, ok thanks I'll try that.  Never edited the .changes before... adventures indeed
[17:06] <cjwatson> So basically it thinks that the file is one of the extra orig component things (.orig-foo.tar.xz) and removed it
[17:06] <bryce> cjwatson, ahh that regex looks like what I was thinking must exist
[17:06] <cjwatson> Building with -sa would also work around it, more easily
[17:07] <cjwatson> You'd just redundantly upload the .orig.tar.xz, but that's OK
[17:07] <bryce> ok I'll try that first
[17:19] <bryce> no go, same error returned; trying .changes editing next
[17:31] <bryce> no go on the .changes editing either (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gHNfknNqkr/).
[17:36] <locutus__> kanashiro, I syncd rails to make the ruby transition move a little bit
[17:36] <locutus__> but autopkgtests are sad
[17:37] <locutus__> and I also dropped that bootsnap hack
[17:37] <locutus__> not sure if still needed or not
[17:37] <locutus__> please have a look
[17:38] <locutus__> (I remember it was making some armhf autopkgtests sad against rails)
[17:38] <locutus__> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/417386218/rails_2%3A5.2.2+dfsg-6_2%3A5.2.2+dfsg-6ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:43] <kanashiro> locutus__, taking a look now
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: ruby-factory-bot-rails (focal-proposed/primary) [5.1.1-2]
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: morris (focal-proposed/primary) [0.2-6]
[18:30] <kanashiro> locutus__, I think I have a patch to fix it, I should come up with a bug report + patch soon
[18:42] <kanashiro> locutus__, could you review/sponsor this patch? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby-bootsnap/+bug/1866223
[18:42] <kanashiro> it fixed rails autopkgtest regression for me locally
[18:46] <locutus__> sure
[18:47] <locutus__> kanashiro, please upload them into a ppa, so I can sponsor from there
[18:47] <kanashiro> locutus__, ack
[18:59] <kanashiro> locutus__, it is building it in different architectures but here is the link: https://launchpad.net/~lucaskanashiro/+archive/ubuntu/focal-ruby-bootsnap-ruby27-support/+packages
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (focal-proposed) [5.4.0-1004.4]
[22:25] <cjwatson> bryce: Ah, it trips a similar regex in LP, I see.
[22:26] <cjwatson> bryce: dak doesn't hit this because it has a slightly stricter regex (orig_source_ext_re in daklib.regexes)
[22:27] <cjwatson> bryce: Using a less silly version is probably the only possible workaround for now.  You can certainly file a bug against LP for the set of rejections you got after working around the dpkg bug, although it will certainly be Priority: low :-)
[22:31] <bryce> cjwatson, ok thanks, that clarifies that then.  :-)  Yes, I figured best path is to redo the tarball.


[04:31] <Kilos> morning all.
[04:45] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[04:45] <Tonberry> hi
[05:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:44] <Kilos> morning inetpro  thats good
[05:44] <Kilos> it will rain when you have the time right
[05:44] <inetpro> lol
[05:46] <Kilos> ek bly man, my korea kontak het sy loco aan die gang
[05:46] <Kilos> if only africa was as easy
[05:51] <Symmetria> my god
[05:51] <Symmetria> CNN is as bad as fox news
[05:51] <Symmetria> https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11026039_10153318786825528_8549034136874744109_n.jpg?oh=875b355b58daa9ba7f3db0941aea5552&oe=55BB8673
[05:51] <Symmetria> what do you notice about that map
[06:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> nothing sells like sensationalism
[06:02] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> Symmetria: is all the hubbub over there affecting you much?
[06:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo Kilos :)
[06:02] <Symmetria> ThatGraemeGuy they have tightened security in Nairobi, heavily
[06:03] <Symmetria> which is a good thing I suppose
[06:03] <Symmetria> *shrug* it makes certain things slightly more difficult but nothing 2 bad
[06:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> k
[06:03] <Symmetria> (for example, I went to the shopping centre near my house on Saturday and the defense force was searching every car coming in)
[06:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I know the media tends to blow things up a little
[06:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> make it sound like you need to GTFO right now
[06:04] <Symmetria> *shrug* Nairobi is perfectly safe if you stay outta eastleigh (which is basically little somalia)
[06:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> so pretty much same as here. some shitty areas, some shitty people, but the media would have you believe the whole place is a warzone
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone know which shops sell ADSL filters? think mine is on the blink
[06:43] <Symmetria> incredible corruption
[06:49] <Symmetria> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABADuZxfruk <[06:50] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[06:50] <pieter2627> morning all
[06:51] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[06:59] <Kilos> another day another dollar guys
[07:11] <Kilos> shoot me someone, i just made coffee but put it in my jungle oats instead of my coffee mug
[07:11] <Symmetria> hahahaha
[07:11] <Symmetria> neat
[07:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[07:13] <Kilos> they talk about ouderdom, the ouder is nothing its the dom thats the prob
[07:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: sound like you just invented a way to save time at breakfast :-D
[07:19] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:19] <Kilos> doesnt taste too bad either
[07:19] <Kilos> just needed more sugar
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> sies
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> sugar is evil :-p
[07:20] <Kilos> yeah i know but it tastes so lekker
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[07:23] <barrydk> More almal
[07:50] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[07:51] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[07:52] <Kilos> hmm... you have added yourself to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members yet
[07:52] <Kilos> naughty
[07:52] <Kilos> havent
[07:53] <TinuvaMac> dont know
[07:53] <TinuvaMac> what is that for?
[07:53] <Kilos> active za members
[07:53] <TinuvaMac> it says "Ubuntu" enthusiats...
[07:53] <TinuvaMac> I don't see myself as one
[07:54] <Kilos> launchpad say we have 80 but i never see so many now im collecting those that are active there
[07:54] <TinuvaMac> I am a general *nix enthusiast sure, but thats where I will leave it
[07:55] <Kilos> ya well we accept nix enthusiasts
[07:55] <Kilos> havent you got ubuntu running anywhere
[07:56] <TinuvaMac> we definitely do, for customers :P
[07:56] <Kilos> thats good enough
[07:56] <Kilos> join
[07:56] <Kilos> become part of our community
[08:01] <Kilos> oh
[08:01] <Kilos> when you install for customers tell them about this support channel please
[08:01] <Kilos> stick a lable on their pcs
[09:14] <Padroni> morning
[09:15] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[09:15] <Kilos> you battling at work?
[09:16] <Kilos> at/with work?
[09:17] <Kilos> yo drussell  hows davey
[09:17] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:18] <psyatw> hi Padroni
[09:18] <Padroni> yeah, busy at work
[09:18] <Padroni> hi psyatw
[09:18] <Kilos> hi psyatw  sorry didnt see you
[09:18] <psyatw> Kilos, no problem, I didn't even see myself as there is no mirror here at work
[09:19] <Kilos> lol
[09:36] <drussell> Kilos: hey! All good, back from a week and a half of holiday, refreshed and ready to go :oD How's you?
[09:37] <Kilos> im good ty, glad you get refreshed, others need to go to work to rest after hols
[11:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:25]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed  and confluency
[13:23] <Mopkop> Hello all!
[13:23] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[13:30] <Mopkop> You know the biggest hurdle with converting people to linux is no longer that they are used to windows (you can thank Windows 8 for that), but the gaming. The linux community should start focussing on making it worthwhile for companies to port to linux. Maybe by making distribution very easy.
[13:30] <Mopkop> Like an opensource steam or something.
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> someone should ask Valve to port Steam to linux
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe they can get some games ported too to get things started
[13:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> nah, that's crazy talk
[13:50] <Mopkop> Lol
[13:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:53] <Kilos> im sure i played steam games here before
[13:53] <Kilos> only they use data
[13:54] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[13:54] <Kilos> whats happening there by you?
[13:55] <Private_User> hey Kilos
[13:55] <Private_User> ah nothing much, been offline the entire weekend, connected today but not sure why but my connecting was not stable
[13:56] <Kilos> eish you still struggling
[13:56] <Kilos> cellc was it
[13:57] <Private_User> yeah this thing is sometimes working 100% lekker and then at other times its like it not good at all
[13:57] <Kilos> ai!
[14:19] <Mopkop> I was thinking of an opensource alternative to steam, which is intergrated into Ubuntu, and publishers do not have to pay a fee. Kind of like the software centre, but with all the nice gadgets steam has.
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> who would do that?
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. where's the money? open source is all good and well but it sucks at paying rent :)
[14:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:22] <Kilos> i was just going to say them theyll start charging for ubuntu
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> for now there's steam for distros, or SteamOS if you want something more appliance-like
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> I think it may be too late to try and be the competitor there, they have a pretty solid head start. whatever you come up with would need to work on all 3 platforms Steam is already on
[14:29] <Padroni_> kilos that python book is actually quite good
[14:30] <Padroni_> I am using it in conjunction with my course material
[14:30] <Kilos> its what fly recommended
[14:30] <Kilos> good
[14:52] <Padroni_> I'm off
[14:52] <Padroni_> see tomorrow
[14:52] <Padroni_> Have a good one.
[14:52] <Kilos> go well
[14:53] <Mopkop> What book was that?
[14:53] <Mopkop> I want one too!
[14:54] <Kilos> byteofpython
[14:54] <Mopkop> maaz google byteofpython
[14:54] <Maaz> Mopkop: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/python/ :: "A Byte of Python - Swaroop CH" http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python.pdf :: "A Byte of Python - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/g2swap/byteofpython/read/ :: "A Byte of Python (PDF) - Ibiblio" http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf ::
[14:54] <Maaz> "A Byte of Python" http://www.byteofpython.info/ :: "Free PDF: A Byte of Python by Swaroop…
[14:54] <Kilos> http://files.swaroopch.com/python/byte_of_python.pdf
[14:55] <Mopkop> Thank you Maaz, Kilos.
[14:56] <Mopkop> The problem with getting new books, is you to read through most things you already know.
[14:57] <Kilos> its easy with a pdf you just scroll past
[15:03] <Mopkop> If I do that, there is that one line I missed which will make everything else difficult to understand. I'll just speed-read through it. :)
[15:09] <Kilos> lol then read everything man
[15:10] <Kilos> speed kills
[16:08] <Mopkop> Hello pieter2627!
[16:08] <Kilos> wb pieter2627
[16:09] <pieter2627> Hi Mopkop, Kilos and all others
[16:43] <Kilos> ohi superfly  hows the heqad?
[16:44] <Kilos> head as well
[16:45] <superfly> mostly OK
[16:46] <Kilos> sjoe mostly
[17:01] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:07] <magespawn> good evening
[17:07] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn What is the link to the monkeys study wiki page ?" 2 days, 2 hours, 20 minutes and 24 seconds ago
[17:07] <Maaz> magespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn Did you get the dbnlug mail from edrich about work?" 6 hours, 58 minutes and 9 seconds ago
[17:14] <magespawn> Kilos: ping
[17:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn  pong sorry
[17:28] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos http://linux-studies.za.net but the permissions have changed, i am not sure if there was a sign on, i think superfly is hosting it, if i recall correctly
[17:28] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[17:28] <magespawn> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell Kilos http://linux-studies.za.net but the permissions have changed, i am not sure if there was a sign on, i think superfly is hosting it, if i recall correctly" 33 seconds ago
[17:29] <magespawn> no worries Kilos, i did see that mail thanks
[17:30] <Kilos> whew
[17:30] <Kilos> monkey got probs
[17:30] <Kilos> he gets lug mail hey
[17:31] <magespawn> i think so, if not they will know how to get hold of him
[17:31] <magespawn> what problems does he have now?
[17:31] <Kilos> Maaz  studiessite is <reply> http://linux-studies.za.net
[17:31] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[17:31] <Kilos> outa work and had to leave room as house was sold
[17:32] <magespawn> might want to put a space in there
[17:32] <Kilos> Maaz  studiessite
[17:32] <Maaz> http://linux-studies.za.net
[17:33] <Kilos> how come no one told you im eating
[17:33] <magespawn> i thought he was a programmer?
[17:33] <Kilos> sies man pieter2627  Mopkop
[17:33] <magespawn> i am too
[17:33] <magespawn> they are all fast asleep too
[17:33] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Mopkop> Kilos: ?
[17:34] <Kilos> as ek weg is groet mense asb en se hulle waar ek is
[17:34] <Mopkop> Lol, sorry oom :(
[17:34] <Kilos> np
[17:34] <Mopkop> Sal onthou in die vervolg.
[17:34] <magespawn> Kilos i thought he is a programmer?
[17:35] <Kilos> programmers must know how to do anything
[17:35] <Kilos> fly is also a programmer but he builds sites and lots more
[17:36] <Kilos> if you out of work you must take what you can
[17:36] <magespawn> do you know what kbmonkey does exactly?
[17:36] <Kilos> nope
[17:36] <Kilos> remember when we get him back that we find ou
[17:36] <Kilos> t
[17:37] <Kilos> not lekker having empty tummy long time
[17:37] <Kilos> i fasted once for 4 days
[17:37] <Kilos> first and second days are heavy
[17:37] <magespawn> no your tummy runs everything
[17:40] <Kilos> you got experience with that system magespawn
[17:40] <Kilos> i forget what
[17:40] <Kilos> the one the first lpi course used
[17:43] <Kilos> centos
[17:44] <Kilos> oh my
[17:44] <Kilos> only one i dont chase is inetpro
[17:45] <Kilos> he just ignores me
[17:53] <magespawn> back again Kilos
[17:54] <Kiloswhat> wb what broke
[17:54] <Kiloswhat> oh my
[17:54] <magespawn> lol
[17:54] <magespawn> looks like empangeni just went on load shedding
[17:55] <Kilos> sometimes konversation forgets where i must type
[17:55] <Kilos> eish
[17:59] <Mopkop> Loadshedding in 2 mins :(
[17:59] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <inetpro> Sanibonani nonke emhlabeni
[18:09] <Kilos> ja jy ook
[18:09] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:10] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[18:10] <inetpro> ohi Kilos
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:12] <inetpro> how are things going here this evening?
[18:12] <Kilos> very quiet
[18:12] <Kilos> you havent been here to chase peeps
[18:12] <Kilos> wb Mopkop
[18:13] <Mopkop1> Lol, power not off yet...
[18:13] <Kilos> not here
[18:13] <Mopkop1> Eskom is waiting for me to do something engaging, and then cut me off in the middel.
[18:14] <Mopkop1> nick Mopkop
[18:14] <Kilos> thats why i cant use a ssd
[18:14] <magespawn> is that not always the way it works
[18:15] <Kilos> just now dont worry
[18:15] <Kilos> kohlewe
[18:15] <Kilos> how you spell that inetpro  ?
[18:16] <Kilos> oh paw here too
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean to say ngikohliwe?
[18:16] <inetpro> you forgot what?
[18:17] <Kilos> ja ek het vergeet
[18:17] <inetpro> wat het jy vergeet oom?
[18:17] <Kilos> where did i say i forgot
[18:17] <Kilos> oh
[18:17] <inetpro> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> n ot me man the dodo that was supposed to turn the power off
[18:18] <inetpro> ahh, ukohliwe
[18:19] <Kilos> ty ill try member that
[18:19] <Kilos> you got trello work
[18:19] <Kilos> and ty for the sphinx warning
[18:19] <inetpro> tell me about the work Kilos
[18:19] <Kilos> where is the COC walk through
[18:19] <Kilos> i got more work
[18:20] <inetpro> oh
[18:20] <Kilos> this time in asia somewhere
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: https://trello.com/c/olme2bfK
[18:20] <magespawn> why asia?
[18:20] <Kilos> where was it inetpro
[18:21] <Kilos> i just helped korea get a loco going magespawn  and there are some hassles in an asian loco
[18:21] <inetpro> Kilos: in Current Activities
[18:21] <Kilos> ai! ty inetpro
[18:22] <Kilos> methinks best way to smooth out a loco with internal strife is to get them to read and sign the COC
[18:23] <magespawn> sounds like a good idea, get everyone on the same page
[18:23] <Kilos> why cant other locos run like ours
[18:23] <Kilos> we got a lekker LoCo
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry for ignoring you on that
[18:24] <Kilos> np inetpro
[18:24] <magespawn> they are not as intelligent?
[18:24] <inetpro> but you had me confused for a moment and then I forgot to go check again
[18:24] <Kilos> he is offline anyway
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you added that to 'done for March 2015'
[18:25] <Kilos> oh my
[18:25] <inetpro> not making sense there
[18:25] <Kilos> how do we save it
[18:25] <Kilos> oh in maaz
[18:25] <inetpro> Kilos: you can just archive it now
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: you just failed to RTFS again :-)
[18:26] <Kilos> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> im blinder man
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: no worries
[18:26]  * inetpro fails all day every day
[18:27] <Kilos> where can we save that info and remember it
[18:27] <Kilos> i think slexy removes old posts dont they
[18:27] <inetpro> leave that card there for now until someone has time to put it up nicely
[18:27] <inetpro> we have more important things to deal with now
[18:28] <Kilos> what
[18:28] <inetpro> hmm... we actually need superfly to come help us
[18:28] <magespawn> Kilos have you tried things like evernote?
[18:28] <Kilos> nope magespawn
[18:29] <inetpro> magespawn: don't come with even more things now man
[18:29] <Kilos> oh the site inetpro
[18:29] <Kilos> magespawn  you do that for us
[18:29] <magespawn> inetpro: just an idea
[18:30] <Kilos> get the COC walk through and post it somewhere safe
[18:30] <Kilos> its in trello
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: one step at a time
[18:30] <inetpro> it's safe in trello
[18:30] <inetpro> for now at least
[18:30] <Kilos> him not me man
[18:31] <Kilos> ya but do i give the trello link to someone in asia?
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: does he really need it?
[18:32] <inetpro> obviously, anyone can read that
[18:32] <Kilos> well youve seen peeps battle with COC
[18:32] <inetpro> it's public information on our Trello board
[18:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:32] <Kilos> im gonna use kaans there in future
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: just like here
[18:33] <Kilos> ya but here i see them
[18:33] <inetpro> uh?
[18:33] <Kilos> and greet them
[18:34] <Kilos> and check if their hair is combed
[18:34] <inetpro> oh
[18:34] <inetpro> Kilos: but the, you don't really
[18:34] <Kilos> uh
[18:35] <inetpro> hundreds are reading what you say here later via the irclogs
[18:35] <Kilos> hi spinza
[18:35] <Kilos> you are way behind
[18:35] <Kilos> thats fine
[18:35] <Kilos> they must that poor group
[18:36] <Kilos> wsay
[18:36] <Kilos> say
[18:37] <Mopkop> We still have this...
[18:37] <Mopkop> maaz code of conduct
[18:37] <Maaz> http://bin.snyman.info/rcecy
[18:38] <Kilos> ty Mopkop
[18:38] <Mopkop> Been meaning to make a better one, but at least it's foolproof.
[18:38] <Kilos> maaz COC is <reply> http://bin.snyman.info/rcecy
[18:38] <Maaz> Kilos: If you say so
[18:40] <Kilos> so which part of your pc does the COC align with inetpro  ?
[18:41] <Kilos> if i change cpu will i need to do it again
[18:41] <Kilos> i dont think it will be ram related
[18:42]  * Mopkop is not following the discussion.
[18:43] <magespawn> they key is stored on your harddrive Kilos
[18:43] <Kilos> the gpg thing i think
[18:43] <Mopkop> Yea, the gpg key. It's just a text file.
[18:43] <Kilos> oh so only the drive is recognised
[18:44] <Kilos> if you change drives you need to make a new one
[18:44] <Mopkop> Deja dup will keep it backed up, I Think.
[18:44] <Mopkop> No you can just import the old one.
[18:45] <inetpro> has anyone figure why you really need the GPG key even?
[18:45] <inetpro> figured*
[18:45] <magespawn> you can copy the key to ther locations, and as far as i know devices
[18:46] <Kilos> nono Mopkop
[18:46] <magespawn> s/ther/other
[18:46] <Kilos> it recognises something in your pc
[18:46] <inetpro> do we still have peepe who use GPG?
[18:46] <magespawn> inetpro: it 'proves' who signed the code of conduct
[18:47] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:47] <Mopkop> Kilos: Oh I see. The only thing I can think of is the Harddrive's serial number.
[18:47] <Kilos> cantried taking the key to another machine and it didnt work
[18:48] <Kilos> it even makes you type some more at time to make the key
[18:48] <Kilos> its a serious thing that
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: serious!?
[18:49] <Kilos> ya hard to break from another pc
[18:49] <Mopkop> It chould also be the machine name, or username like with SSH keys.
[18:49] <magespawn> is there a better way inetpro?
[18:50] <inetpro> magespawn: not that I'm aware of
[18:50]  * inetpro just forgot the process due to doing it so long ago
[18:51] <inetpro> haven't needed the key ever again
[18:51] <Kilos> ya its only for signing the COC isnt it
[18:52] <inetpro> can't remember it being difficult
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:52] <magespawn> you can also use your key to sign all sorts of things, like email or other documents
[18:52] <Kilos> fly had to help me twice on this machine and old one
[18:53] <Mopkop> gpg can also be used for sending secret (encrypted) messages with Thunderbird.
[18:53] <inetpro> I sent a few secret emails at the time just for the fun of it
[18:53] <inetpro> gave up because nobody else was using it
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <inetpro> can't believe we still use email after all this time
[18:54] <Kilos> too much like hard work to get one
[18:54] <magespawn> it not only 'ensures' the privacy of the mail, but authenticates who it is from
[18:54] <inetpro> it's a yuck technology
[18:55] <inetpro> almost like FTP
[18:55] <inetpro> I just wish I had the brains to replace it with something much better
[18:55] <magespawn> it is what people are comfortable with, those same people might sa the same about irc
[18:56] <Mopkop> magespawn has a point
[18:56] <magespawn> s/sa/say
[18:57] <Kilos> hmm... not sure anymore but dont think i battled much with irc
[18:57] <inetpro> no!! Please don't touch my IRC!!
[18:57] <inetpro> :-)
[18:57] <Kilos> the fly was there all the way
[18:57] <Kilos> go fly
[18:58] <magespawn> gotta go, getting chased up to my room, bbl if i can
[18:58] <Kilos> ok magespawn
[18:58] <inetpro> magespawn: go, go, go!
[18:58] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Mopkop> I heard a disturbing thing from a friend who develops military software.
[19:10] <Kilos> tell
[19:11] <Mopkop> Apparently many military units (from all over the world, including South Africa) do not not change their passwords. So the passwords are something like 'admin' or 'password12' or 'qwerty'
[19:11] <Mopkop> Doesn't make me feel very safe.
[19:12] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <Mopkop> It's more difficult hacking a home computer than hacking the many of the army's installations.
[19:14] <inetpro> Mopkop: don't tell anybody
[19:14] <Mopkop> Sometimes those "installations" have guns. I know my friend is working on computerized barbed wire. If someone touches it, it sends the location to cameras and guns.
[19:15] <Mopkop> inetpro: too late, these things are logged :(
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: where's Padroni when we need him?
[19:15] <Kilos> lol day time only
[19:16] <Mopkop> Really?
[19:16] <inetpro> :-)
[19:16] <Kilos> and all windows pcs Mopkop
[19:24] <pieter2627> night all
[19:24] <Kilos> night piesleep tight
[19:24] <Kilos> ai!
[19:27] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. i gotta crash too
[19:27] <Kilos> inetpro  gaan slaap man
[19:27] <inetpro> why?
[19:28] <Kilos> so you not tired tomorrow
[19:28] <inetpro> too early
[19:28] <Kilos> nono
[19:28] <Kilos> 8 hours sleep will make you young and beautiful
[19:28] <inetpro> sleep time is at midnight
[19:28] <Kilos> hee hee
[19:28] <inetpro> oh serious!?
[19:29]  * inetpro will think about it
[19:29] <Kilos> night toppie
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: slaap lekker!
[19:29] <Mopkop> Night Kilos!
[20:25]  * superfly is wondering who or what he needs to save
[20:28] <inetpro> superfly: hmm...
[20:56] <inetpro> superfly: you mean you want to look at merging now?
[20:57] <superfly> I can have a peek
[20:59] <inetpro> start with https://trello.com/c/9GVSB9pC
[21:01] <inetpro> and on Ubuntu Africa check what I merged first before you go to https://trello.com/c/xYVal5XG
[21:01] <superfly> inetpro: if you add new revisions after proposing a merge, you need to re-propose the merge
[21:02] <inetpro> good to know that, ty
[21:04] <inetpro> superfly: so I add another comment and choose resubmit?
[21:05] <superfly> No, click on "resubmit" on the top right
[21:05] <superfly> comments = comments, they have no effect
[21:05] <inetpro> oh I missed that, thanks
[21:07] <inetpro> and do I tick "Start afresh"?
[21:07] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[21:09] <superfly> no
[21:10] <inetpro> donr
[21:10] <inetpro> done as well
[21:11] <superfly> inetpro: the ubuntu-africa site needs Nikola 7.3 or higher
[21:11] <superfly> inetpro: Kilos used that, and I worked off his initial copy, so I had to install it in a virtualenv to be able to generate the site
[21:12] <inetpro> ok
[21:13] <inetpro> so apt-get install won't work?
[21:14] <superfly> nope
[21:15] <inetpro> changing the note to simply, "Minimum version of Nikola required is 7.3 or higher"
[21:15] <inetpro> but doesn't sound right
[21:16] <inetpro> do you fix grammer when merging or not?
[21:17] <inetpro> grammar*
[21:19] <inetpro> superfly: oops, you should actually have looked at https://trello.com/c/9jKkuos5 before my build instructions
[21:20] <superfly> inetpro: you fix what needs to be fixed, I'm not fixing anything when I merge. That's the point of the proposal.
[21:21] <inetpro> cool, just curios to know the thinking and approach
[21:22] <inetpro> ai! curious*
[21:24] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for the reviews
[21:25] <superfly> np
[21:25] <inetpro> does that mean I get to sleep now?
[21:25] <inetpro> :-)
[21:31] <inetpro> superfly: anything else you don't like in the build instructions that I need to change?
[21:31] <inetpro> before I request another merge
[21:32] <superfly> I'm not sure, I haven't looked through it properly yet
[21:32] <inetpro> hmm... you want me to rather wait another day?
[21:33] <inetpro> I can wait
[21:39] <inetpro> or I guess I can just resubmit with every small change... done :-)
[21:44] <inetpro> good night everyone