[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: what dinner?
[00:35] <RoAkSoAx> mhall119: I think peruvian food can be best appreciated on lunch time
[01:17] <jck77> good evening everyone


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[18:39] <bkerensa> Dear Benjamin Kerensa,
[18:39] <bkerensa> This notice is to inform you that your Yahoo! Domains account has been closed due to nonpayment.
[18:39] <nathwill> haha
[18:39] <bkerensa> :)
[18:39] <nathwill> awesome. you have a yahoo! domains account?
[18:39] <bkerensa> I did
[18:39] <nathwill> lol
[18:39] <bkerensa> You guys offered free domains
[18:39] <bkerensa> so I registered some
[18:39] <nathwill> whaaa?
[18:39] <nathwill> since when?
[18:39] <bkerensa> and transferred them all out
[18:39] <bkerensa> :P
[18:39] <nathwill> haha
[18:40] <bkerensa> :P
[18:40] <nathwill> a lot of people do that w/ the 1.99 promo
[18:40] <bkerensa> It was only like for a day
[18:40] <bkerensa> over a year ago
[18:40] <nathwill> that's nutty
[18:40] <bkerensa> name.com did it once too
[18:40] <bkerensa> yeah I hit godaddy every time they have a $1.99 promo
[18:40] <bkerensa> :D
[18:40] <bkerensa> and transfer to m favorite registrar
[18:40] <nathwill> well if you already xferred out it sounds like you're not worried about the closure
[18:41] <nathwill> who do you like to use as a reg?
[18:41] <nathwill> i've heard good things about ghandi.net
[18:55] <bkerensa> LOL
[18:55] <bkerensa> Namecheap.com
[18:55] <bkerensa> they wont Lifehacker's Best Registrar recognition
[18:56] <bkerensa> despite Godaddy offering free domains to customers who voted for them
[18:56] <bkerensa> :D
[18:56] <bkerensa> I pay $8.20 a year
[18:56] <bkerensa> but they have deals all the time so its like $1.99 most of the time
[18:56] <bkerensa> and two times a year they give tons of domain registrations away
[18:56] <bkerensa> :D
[18:57] <bkerensa> but I have a GOLD acct so.... to get my pricing you have to have 50 or 100 active domains
[18:57] <bkerensa> :D
[19:00] <nathwill> yeah, i have nowhere near that
[19:00] <nathwill> i think i have like... 5
[19:00] <nathwill> not counting my work-related testing accounts
[19:01] <bkerensa> well they only review once a year I think
[19:01] <bkerensa> so they might downgrade me soon
[19:01] <bkerensa> since I'm letting a lot expire
[19:01] <bkerensa> :D
[19:01] <bkerensa> I should be selling them but Im lazy
[19:01] <nathwill> yeah, i just let them expire
[19:01] <nathwill> i used to have one that i got top rankings for, but not at all related to what the site was about
[19:02] <nathwill> little did i know that the domain was an actual thing when i signed up for it
[19:02] <nathwill> so i got all kinds of crazy ass search terms showing up in my analytics
[19:02] <nathwill> it was kind of hilarious
[19:03] <bkerensa> I own BeaverJournal.com
[19:03] <bkerensa> :D
[19:03] <nathwill> oh jeez
[19:04] <bkerensa> and PortlandOffline.com
[19:04] <bkerensa> :D
[19:04] <bkerensa> City owns PortlandOnline.com
[19:04] <bkerensa> :P
[19:04] <bkerensa> I own so many domains still its not funny
[19:04] <nathwill> yeah, i had badgerbait.net and got all kinds of crazy hillbilly queries from the south/midwest us
[19:04] <bkerensa> Last year I tried to buy this one domain I wanted but damn domain squatter wouldnt sell
[19:04] <bkerensa> =/
[19:04] <bkerensa> I had a few people who were gonna help buy it
[19:04] <nathwill> man f* domain squatters
[19:04] <bkerensa> and we offered $5,000
[19:05] <bkerensa> It was for a online game we used to develop
[19:05] <bkerensa> :(
[19:05] <bkerensa> my personal domain still has a year but I think I might re-reg for 10 years soon
[19:05] <bkerensa> just to lock it down
[19:10] <c_smith> hello
[19:13] <bkerensa> hi
[19:14] <c_smith> hey, there's a new Humble Bundle out, I's thinking of loading $25 bucks onto a prepaid card I have and getting it, for the bundle, and various other stuff.
[19:14] <bkerensa> Humble Bundle?
[19:14] <c_smith> the Humble Frozen Synapse Bundle, that's the new Humble bundle.
[19:15] <c_smith> http://www.humblebundle.com/
[19:15] <c_smith> you pay any price starting from 1 cent, and get a bundle of games.
[19:16] <c_smith> sadly, the payment methods are Paypal, Amazon Payments and Google Checkout.
[19:16] <bkerensa> I have no idea what that is
[19:20] <c_smith> it's a name-your-price set of games.
[19:22] <c_smith> like I said, the minimum price is literally at the minimum possible price in the US: one cent. and I don't know the maximum, but there's people who have paid $251 for this bundle. and you can say what amount goes to each of the charities and what goes to the devs.
[19:25] <Brian_H> anyone here used landscape to manage workstations (does it do that)?
[19:27] <c_smith> I myself have never used the term workstation in relation to anything.
[19:28] <c_smith> and I do not know what Landscape is, apart from the landscape definition you would find in a dictionary.
[19:29] <Brian_H> :) it's canonicals management interface
[19:29] <Brian_H> similar to what rhel offers its customers
[19:30] <Brian_H> basically I need to keep peoples systems working/updated etc and having a centralized place to do so that's easy to manage would be helpful
[19:32] <c_smith> that would be useful for ya, then!
[19:32] <bkerensa> I have never used Landscape
[19:32] <bkerensa> cant be to hard though
[19:32] <bkerensa> :D
[19:38] <Brian_H> thats what I was thinking
[19:38] <Brian_H> just not sure I want to pay for it lol
[19:39] <bkerensa> how much do they charge for a license?
[19:39] <Brian_H> think 700/machine/year
[19:39]  * bkerensa coughs
[19:39] <bkerensa> Umm
[19:39] <bkerensa> no
[19:39] <bkerensa> :P
[19:40] <bkerensa> How many machines?
[19:40] <bkerensa> For $700 per machine per year you could hire a sysadmin?
[19:40] <Brian_H> 4 right now, soon to be 6
[19:40] <bkerensa> oh nvm then
[19:40] <bkerensa> :P
[19:40] <Brian_H> + 6 servers
[19:40] <bkerensa> What are you trying to accomplish?
[19:40] <bkerensa> Just updates?
[19:50] <Brian_H> updates and some form of a policy
[19:50] <Brian_H> when to shut off screen, screen savers, passwords etc
[19:51] <Brian_H> more so just for the users laptops/desktop is what we are looking for
[19:51] <bkerensa> Make bash scripts and run cron jobs?
[19:51] <bkerensa> :P
[19:53] <c_smith> bleh, Firefox 7 STILL hasn't hit the update servers......
[19:54] <Brian_H> are you really that eager for your addons to break? lol
[19:54] <c_smith> what addons?
[19:54] <c_smith> I haz no addons save for the default ones!
[19:54] <bkerensa> I love mine addons
[19:55] <c_smith> but frankly, Google Chrome is my default browser.
[19:55]  * bkerensa uses a Referrer Spoof Addon and User Agent Changer
[19:55] <bkerensa> :D
[19:55] <bkerensa> plus LastPass
[19:55] <bkerensa> :P
[19:55] <bkerensa> but I rarely use FF
[19:55] <bkerensa> I use Chrome for the win
[19:55] <Brian_H> the show stopper for us is the click to dial
[19:55] <c_smith> who here agrees that Google Chrome is a bit better than FF?
[19:55] <Brian_H> if chrome had that I'd be all over it
[19:56] <bkerensa> CLick to DIal?
[19:57] <bkerensa> c_smith: Chrome is faster in loading and rendering but its cpu and memory consumption is often higher
[19:57] <Brian_H> yup puts nice little icons next to phone numbers then I click it and it rings my phone and auto connects me to the nubmer :)
[19:58] <bkerensa> :P
[19:58] <bkerensa> $100 to Migrate a vBulletin site
[19:58] <bkerensa> Nice
[19:58] <bkerensa> :D
[19:59] <c_smith> Bkerensa, I never noticed that! thanks for the heads up on that.
[19:59] <bkerensa> c_smith: Chrome spawns child processes and keeps one for every tab and every extension and it keeps them open even after the tab closes for awhile
[20:00] <c_smith> hmmmm, interesting,
[20:07] <Brian_H> I need a new laptop
[20:08] <Brian_H> anyone have any suggestions? been a while since I've shopped
[20:10] <bkerensa> depends what your going to run?
[20:10] <Brian_H> linux, probably ubuntu
[20:10] <bkerensa> Just Linux? or Ubuntu?
[20:10] <bkerensa> eck
[20:10] <bkerensa> any Windows I mean?
[20:10] <Brian_H> would like something to test out the latest and greatest
[20:11] <Brian_H> nah
[20:11] <bkerensa> well they have come out with a few laptops that are pretty slim like a MacBook Air
[20:11] <bkerensa> yet have good specs
[20:11] <bkerensa> and they are rugged
[20:11] <bkerensa> Dell Inspiron 14z's are nice
[20:11] <bkerensa> I just got one today
[20:11] <bkerensa> :D
[20:12] <Brian_H> I'll google it
[20:12] <Brian_H> interesting and cheap too
[20:13] <Brian_H> does it have nvidia ?
[20:14] <bkerensa> If you want it
[20:14] <bkerensa> customizeable
[20:14] <Brian_H> oh I do ;)
[20:14] <bkerensa> :D
[20:15] <Brian_H> I have the best luck with nvidia
[20:15] <bkerensa> Heh
[20:15] <bkerensa> :D
[20:15] <bkerensa> I wanna get a $700 GPU
[20:15] <bkerensa> :P
[20:15] <bkerensa> and throw it in a box and compute all day
[20:15] <Brian_H> all day
[20:15] <Brian_H> lol
[20:15] <bkerensa> well forever
[20:15] <bkerensa> :P
[20:15] <bkerensa> I could crank out major workunits
[20:15] <bkerensa> :D
[20:16] <bkerensa> tgm4883: beat me on WCG's Ubuntu Oregon Team
[20:16]  * bkerensa shakes fist at tgm4883... Just wait I got something coming :P
[20:34] <tgm4883> muhahahaha
[20:34] <tgm4883> I haven't folded in a while now
[20:34] <tgm4883> am I still winning?
[20:35] <tgm4883> I was in the top 300 of the Ubuntu team
[20:35] <bkerensa> lol
[20:35] <bkerensa> :D
[20:35] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Are u coming up for ocelot?
[20:35] <bkerensa> :D
[20:47] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea as long as it's on a weekend
[20:47] <tgm4883> and I'm here
[20:47] <tgm4883> I'm assuming it's not going to be the weekend before or after UDS
[21:08] <bkerensa> You going to UDS?
[21:20] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yep
[21:26] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Sponsored or out of pocket?
[22:26] <tgm4883> bkerensa, sponsored
[22:48] <nathwill> that's cool tgm
[22:48] <nathwill> when's UDS?
[22:49] <nathwill> and where this time?
[23:12] <tgm4883> Orlando again
[23:13] <tgm4883> Starts Oct 31
[23:15] <bkerensa> tgm4883: What do they pay for?
[23:16] <tgm4883> travel, board, there is a daily amount for food, travel to/from airport
[23:16] <tgm4883> that's what I've heard from previous attendees
[23:16] <tgm4883> I know travel and board is paid, although I'm staying an extra day and going to disney
[23:19] <nathwill> rock.
[23:19] <nathwill> never been to the east coast. i've mostly heard that florida is a hell-hole, but the person i heard it from is not known to be reliable
[23:26] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I might apply next year.... Still waiting to apply for membership was gonna apply in October but I am still waiting on a couple people to provide testimonials so I will have to push it off another month.


[11:49] <Nafallo> !ping
[11:49] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[11:49] <Nafallo> !ping lumberjack.magicalforest.se
[11:51] <jpatrick> win 24
[19:18]  * jpatrick signs
[19:18] <no0tic> jpatrick, log it! :)
[19:18] <jpatrick> no0tic: I did
[19:18] <no0tic> jpatrick, (evitar ban tampoco) :)
[19:19] <no0tic> jpatrick, I saw the auto_bleh footprint in that ban/kick
[19:19] <jpatrick> damn him
[19:20] <erUSUL> what's the diference between removing and kicking someone?
[19:20] <no0tic> erUSUL, elegance
[19:20] <jpatrick> erUSUL: removing does not active autojoin scripts
[19:21] <erUSUL> jpatrick: so /abr is your friend ;)
[19:21] <jpatrick> that's what I've been doing
[19:22] <jpatrick> oh god
[19:22] <jpatrick> if he has so much to do in his "personal life", why bother with this??
[19:23]  * erUSUL shrugs
[19:23] <nalioth> erUSUL: most 'rejoin on kick' scripts have no clue what a /remove is
[19:24] <erUSUL> nalioth: i see thanks ;)
[19:26] <jpatrick> yay, I tink I got him for good this time
[19:28] <erUSUL> jpatrick: good shot i guess ;)
[19:29] <no0tic> jpatrick, he used also 33stb68.codetel.net.do
[19:35] <jpatrick> no0tic: well, he hasn't come back :)
[19:36] <jpatrick> 20:34 < popetmaster> / serer www.irc.cl
[19:36] <no0tic> :)
[19:36] <no0tic> jpatrick, it could be tagged as spam
[19:37] <jpatrick> no0tic: especially since he just join
[19:37] <jpatrick> tempted to /abr yes...
[19:37] <jpatrick> ...must... resist...
[19:37] <nalioth> gentlemen, "assume good faith"
[19:37] <nalioth> people miss using the / all the time
[19:38]  * erUSUL jpatrick aka "easy trigger"
[19:38]  * erUSUL ;)
[19:39] <jpatrick> ok, he said hi and left
[19:39] <no0tic> let him live :)
[19:41] <jpatrick> for now...
[19:44] <jpatrick> HE'S BACK!!!
[19:44] <jpatrick> erUSUL: ^
[19:44] <no0tic> jpatrick, can I? :)
[19:45] <jpatrick> no0tic: go ahead, so I don't get bashed :p
[19:45] <no0tic> jpatrick, first tell him in spanish that evading bans is not a good practice
[19:45] <jpatrick> no0tic: did that
[19:46] <erUSUL> no0tic: i told him in pm is answering in the channel
[19:46]  * jpatrick leaves alone
[19:48] <jpatrick> I thought he was just rude
[19:48] <erUSUL> jpatrick: it was and was rightly banned
[19:48] <no0tic> well, let's throw a coin to see who's going to remove him :)
[19:49] <no0tic> probably it's better to invite him in a temporary -es-ops
[19:49] <jpatrick> or here
[19:50] <no0tic> I hope he can understand english
[19:50] <jpatrick> no, we can't /kick him from there
[19:51] <no0tic> jpatrick, *here?
[19:51] <erUSUL> i have /abr him
[19:52] <jpatrick> erUSUL: I was about to /afr to -es-ops :)
[19:52] <no0tic> :)
[19:52] <no0tic> jpatrick, you can forward now
[19:52] <erUSUL> < mikeincognito> en otro pais te pondrian una pistola en la cabeza y te dispararian
[19:53] <erUSUL> in other country you will be shoot in the head
[19:53] <no0tic> nalioth ^^
[19:53] <jpatrick> we're international, thank you
[19:54] <no0tic> he rejoined with another ip
[19:54] <no0tic> I banforwarded him
[19:54] <jpatrick> good
[19:54] <jpatrick> fresh meat
[19:54] <nalioth> shoot in the head? what?
[19:55] <no0tic> nalioth, mikeincognito said that
[19:55] <erUSUL> nalioth: that's what he said me... i was being "hostile" to him so he said me that
[19:55] <jpatrick> you know, if he had a brain, he'd join with a different nick
[19:56] <erUSUL> nalioth: for some reason reminding him that evading a ban is rude was interpreted by him as "hostility"  XD
[19:56] <jpatrick> and he did
[19:58] <jpatrick> gentleman, he's going to keep reseting his router to death
[19:58] <nalioth> which channel is this?
[19:59] <jpatrick> #ubuntu-es
[20:02] <PriceChild> jpatrick, /mode +b<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:02] <PriceChild> then remove the old ones
[20:03] <nalioth> no0tic: jpatrick do you see the ban i just put in #ubuntu-es?
[20:03] <jpatrick> nalioth: yes :)
[20:03] <no0tic> nalioth, yes
[20:03] <nalioth> jpatrick: that should slow him down
[20:03] <nalioth> besides he was cloning severely
[20:05] <no0tic> wow, chanserv left my side of the split
[20:06] <erUSUL> no0tic: mine too
[20:07] <jpatrick> now, I can't op
[20:09]  * erUSUL goes away
[20:10] <no0tic> seems like services are down
[20:10] <no0tic> also nickserv isn't online
[20:23] <jpatrick> erUSUL, no0tic ^^
[20:23] <no0tic> jpatrick, nice
[20:26] <mikelinux_> good afternon ppl
[20:26] <mikelinux_> how can i set emerald as defauld wm on kde 3.5.8
[20:26] <mikelinux_> ?
[20:27] <no0tic> mikelinux_, this is not a support channel
[20:27] <mikelinux_> ok
[20:27] <mikelinux_> thanks
[20:27] <mikelinux_> xcuse me
[20:27] <jpatrick> no0tic: dude, he's the guy we've been banning!
[20:27] <mikelinux_> yup?
[20:28] <mikelinux_> why are you disturbing me?
[20:28] <no0tic> jpatrick, yes, I recognized him
[20:28] <mikelinux_> yes i am
[20:28] <mikelinux_> the same
[20:28] <mikelinux_> i speak english too
[20:29] <no0tic> mikelinux_, well, my point of view is a bit different
[20:29] <no0tic> mikelinux_, you are disturbing us
[20:29] <mikelinux_> why?
[20:29] <no0tic> mikelinux_, and -es channel (afaik)
[20:29] <mikelinux_> im not in ubuntu-es
[20:30] <jpatrick> but you were
[20:30] <no0tic> you were joining and ban evading in there repeatedly
[20:30] <mikelinux_> as you sait i was
[20:30] <no0tic> ban evading is not a nice practice at all
[20:31] <mikelinux_> ok, excuse me, are you happy now?
[20:31] <no0tic> no, please read some guide lines
[20:31] <no0tic> !etiquette
[20:31] <ubotu> Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubotu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !English - and most importantly, use common sense...
[20:31] <mikelinux_> im reading the code of conduct
[20:32] <mikelinux_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/esCodeOfConduct
[20:32] <mikelinux_> you should read the code too
[20:33] <no0tic> nice, but it has nothing to do with ban evading
[20:33] <mikelinux_> :-o
[20:33] <mikelinux_> im not triying to enter
[20:34] <jpatrick> mikelinux_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines/Es
[20:34] <mikelinux_> i speak english too so i can ask in #ubuntu toooo
[20:35] <mikelinux_> they are so kind
[20:36] <jpatrick> mikelinux_: "pues leelo tu y dime lo que necesito saber" "no todos aqui somos vagos como para pasarme todo el dia leyendo un tutorial para configurar una aplicacion"
[20:37] <jpatrick> esto es lo malo
[20:37] <mikelinux_> si
[20:37] <mikelinux_> acaso lo haces tu?
[20:37] <mikelinux_> quiza sea tu trabajo pero si tienes un poquito de sentido comun veras que es la verdad
[20:38] <mikelinux_> tengo mucho tiempo usando linux y lo primero que entendi es que para hacer que los demas lo usen no puedo forzarlo a leer montones de documentacion
[20:38] <mikelinux_> no todos tienen el tiempo aunque quisieran
[20:38] <mikelinux_> y no dije que todos fuesen vagos
[20:38] <mikelinux_> sino no todos aqui somos vagos
[20:39] <no0tic> mikelinux_, we are volunteers, it is not our job
[20:39] <mikelinux_> te podria mandar a leer un libro de lengua espanola al igual que mandas a muchos a buscar a google
[20:40] <mikelinux_> para que entiendas el contexto y en que momento se dijo la frase
[20:41] <mikelinux_> el dia que quieras construir tu casa inscribete en la carrera de arquitectura, leete todos los manuales y hazla tu mismo
[20:41] <no0tic> mikelinux_, probably it's better for you to read a good etiquette book and learn how to behave in public
[20:41] <jpatrick> "hay que trabajar tambien  y hacer vida social" - pero tienes tiempo para entrar, y entrar, cuando te hacemos fuera
[20:41] <mikelinux_> te dolio mucho, eres un vago?
[20:42] <mikelinux_> si tu respuesta es no por que me atacas?
[20:42] <nalioth> can we be polite to all and speak english?
[20:42] <mikelinux_> deberias usar esa actitud para defender a tu nacion , the marine is waiting 4 u
[20:42] <mikelinux_> excuse me nalioth
[20:42] <mikelinux_> i will speak in english now
 mikelinux_, probably it's better for you to read a good etiquette book and learn how to behave in public........you too, tnx i will do that.
[20:46] <no0tic> mikelinux_, is there anything I said that hurt you?
[20:47] <mikelinux_> take practice of yoga
[20:47] <mikelinux_> estas muy tenso
[20:47] <LjL> naah solo esta muy tonto
[20:48] <no0tic> LjL, uh? gh
[20:48] <LjL> wrong channel :P
[20:48] <mikelinux_> yup  thx LJL
[20:49] <mikelinux_> tell it to this MR.
[20:51] <mikelinux_> how old re u noOtic, you look so inmature. dont let that the words of an ignorant man (like me)  :-P disturb your mind kid.
[20:54] <nalioth> let us be civil, please
[20:56] <mikelinux_> the fight is over
[20:59] <LjL> and i declare ubotu winner
[21:00] <mikelinux_> the world champion
[21:32] <fetova> greetings
[21:32] <fetova> sorry for come late
[21:42] <fetova> xD
[21:42] <fetova> nop
[21:42] <fetova> i'm not late :P
[21:43] <fetova> i'm two hours early xD
[21:43]  * fetova return on 1:17 hrs
[21:43] <fetova> xD
[22:19] <no0tic> mikelinux_, mikelinux, one of you is just enough here
[22:19] <mikelinux> its only  1
[22:19] <mikelinux> why re u talking to me?
[22:20] <no0tic> mikelinux_, this is you
[22:20] <mikelinux> si te molesto lo mas que puedes hacer es ignorarme
[22:20] <no0tic> mikelinux, and this too
[22:20] <mikelinux> look at the user list
[22:20] <no0tic> mikelinux, I can't ignore anybody
[22:21] <mikelinux> so somebody will kill you in the future
[22:21] <mikelinux> :-p
[22:21] <no0tic> mikelinux, look at your realname and your hostmask
[22:21] <mikelinux> its lag from the server
[22:22] <mikelinux> i lost my connection and reconected
[22:22] <mikelinux> its a phantom
[22:22] <no0tic> mikelinux, collide him
[22:22] <mikelinux> will quit on few minutes mikelinux?
[22:23] <mikelinux> ? was an error typing
[22:26] <nalioth> death threats are not welcome on freenode
[22:26] <nalioth> nor is kline evasion
[23:08] <fetova> hi again :P
[23:09] <fetova> no0tic: ping
[23:09] <no0tic> pong
[23:09] <fetova> :)
[23:09] <fetova> you tell me of be here now...
[23:09] <fetova> true? :P
[23:10] <fetova> no0tic
[23:10] <no0tic> yes
[23:10] <fetova> ok :)
[23:10] <no0tic> but noone else appears to be here..
[23:11] <fetova> je...
[23:11] <fetova> I can be here a half hour waiting if it's neccesary :)
[23:13] <no0tic> I pinged other ops, but nobody ponged :)
[23:13] <fetova> ...
[23:14] <fetova> that it's bad...
[23:14] <fetova> indeed...
[23:14] <fetova> by my idea of #u-es-ot...
[23:15] <no0tic> fetova, #ubuntu-es channel contact isn't online... I can't ping him
[23:15] <fetova> i guess i have to study more time the enviroment to purpose a efficiently idea
[23:15] <fetova> :(
[23:16] <no0tic> me too, I'm op in -es since last week
[23:16] <fetova> yes=
[23:16] <fetova> ?
[23:16] <fetova> wow...
[23:17] <fetova> the request for op I see it's recently...
[23:17] <fetova> why begin the idea?
[23:17] <no0tic> I didn't request to be op :)
[23:17] <fetova> xD
[23:17] <fetova> me too
[23:17] <fetova> jpatrick tells me
[23:17] <fetova> and i say:
[23:18] <fetova> if it's necessary , i help :)
[23:18] <no0tic> :)
[23:18] <fetova> from where are you?
[23:19] <no0tic> well, jpatrick is sleeping now... so.. I think we can postpone our meeting
[23:19] <no0tic> fetova, italy
[23:19]  * erUSUL is here
[23:19] <fetova> wow... I read it's a nice place :)
[23:19] <fetova> hi erUSUL
[23:19] <fetova> :)
[23:19] <erUSUL> hi
[23:20] <no0tic> hi erUSUL
[23:20] <fetova> well...
[23:20] <fetova> ok...
[23:20] <fetova> but...
[23:20] <no0tic> erUSUL, sorry, didn't see you :)
[23:20] <fetova> someone tells me when can all?
[23:21] <fetova> or how can we do it?
[23:21] <erUSUL> ;)
[23:21] <fetova> :P
[23:22] <fetova> on any way... when i be connected to freenode... i'll be here :)
[23:24] <erUSUL> no0tic: so no meeting today...
[23:24] <fetova> that seems to be :(
[23:26] <no0tic> well, we fixed the meeting for 27/01 23 UTC and only few of us showed up...
[23:26] <fetova> are something happen here?
[23:27] <erUSUL> no0tic: yes; very weird i was specting Sapote and Pelicano to show up... but jpatrick complained to pelicano about the hour and maybe pelicano thought the meeting was "cancelled" dunno :|
[23:28] <fetova> well... i don't know the enought to say anything :(
[23:28] <no0tic> erUSUL, sapote is online but he is not replying to my query
[23:28] <no0tic> erUSUL, jpatrick is asleep :)
[23:35] <erUSUL> no0tic: well then; nothing to see here move along... ;P
[23:35] <no0tic> erUSUL, well LjL is still awake
[23:36] <LjL> fetova: what's your -es-ot idea?
[23:37] <fetova> well... i said it berfore...
[23:37] <fetova> isn't very concret now...
[23:38] <fetova> but the goal it's make -es-ot more atractive to the ot
[23:38] <fetova> with that the ot on -es should be strange
[23:38] <fetova> i said the example of -ar
[23:39] <fetova> the users see the needing to make a chanel to ot
[23:39] <fetova> we have to make the needing on -es
[23:39] <fetova> i'm not sure on the way
[23:40] <fetova> i'm thinking on that LjL :)
[23:40] <LjL> it's very simple for me
[23:40] <LjL> !ot
[23:40] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[23:40] <LjL> you do this every time a user gets offtopic
[23:41] <LjL> you hammer, and you hammer again
[23:41] <fetova> mmm...
[23:41] <LjL> eventually it gets fixed in the wall
[23:41] <Flannel> Hey guys, where are the logs for the IRC Council meetings?
[23:41] <fetova> i thing something something left
[23:41] <nalioth> Flannel: /msg ubotu logs
[23:42] <Flannel> nalioth: Don't believe in the wiki for logs, eh?
[23:42] <nalioth> Flannel: or see the topic in #ubuntu-meeting
[23:42] <fetova> that and other complementary thing
[23:42] <nalioth> Flannel: the loggins system predates the wiki  ;)
[23:42] <nalioth> logging system bleh
[23:42] <Flannel> nalioth: shrug.  They should still be at least linked on the IRC council wiki page.  But thanks
[23:42] <nalioth> Flannel: the wiki is user editable
[23:42] <Flannel> nalioth: since now I have to go through and crossreference dates with meetings
[23:43] <Flannel> nalioth: Its not my job.  I'm just looking to grump over channel naming conventions
[23:43] <nalioth> Flannel: if you want the logs linked from the wiki, make it so
[23:44] <PriceChild> right now all we do is summaries in team reports
[23:44] <Flannel> nalioth: Like I said, it's not my job to clean your house.
[23:44] <PriceChild> Our house isn't dirty.
[23:45]  * fetova doesn't understand anything... :P
[23:46] <LjL> fetova: hablan del hecho que no tenemos links a los logs de las reuniones del consejo IRC en el wiki
[23:46] <fetova> ahhh
[23:46] <fetova> gracias :D
[23:46] <fetova> pero por que?
[23:46] <fetova> algo entendi de que en el wiki...
[23:46] <Flannel> nalioth: Alright, according to the wiki, there was a meeting on the 17th of September, But that log is empty: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/09/17/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[23:47] <LjL> ¿por que no los tenemos? porque nadie ha pensado a hacer eso creo :)
[23:47] <fetova> xD
[23:47] <fetova> me suena a lo mas probable
[23:48] <LjL> Flannel: i recall that during one meeting, it was full of netsplits and other network problems
[23:48] <LjL> might be that one...
[23:48] <erUSUL> LjL: are the logs supposed to be made _very_ public ?
[23:48] <no0tic> erUSUL, official logs are published online
[23:48] <LjL> erUSUL: i don't know to be honest
[23:48] <no0tic> erUSUL, but honestly I wasn't reading :)
[23:49] <LjL> erUSUL: some teams use the MootBot too to count votes, others' meetings are followed by the scribes team...
[23:49] <LjL> i don't have a clue, really.
[23:49] <Flannel> LjL: Well, do you, or anyone else, have a log of that?  The meeting is where the channel naming guidelines were solidified, and some people are taking exception to that.  So, having a log would be nice.  Since theres no other real documentation besides "because we said so"
[23:49] <nalioth> Flannel: it's not our job to post stuff to the wiki
[23:49] <nalioth> Flannel: if we did that, someone would come along and say "why don't you send the logs out to X mailing list?"
[23:50] <nalioth> Flannel: or "why don't you do X with them?"
[23:50] <LjL> Flannel: yes, if i was there, i should have logs
[23:50] <Flannel> nalioth: Alright.  Whatever.
[23:50] <Flannel> LjL: thanks
[23:53] <LjL> Flannel, what time was it?
[23:54] <Flannel> LjL: 1200 UTC
[23:54] <LjL> i have it
[23:56] <PriceChild> Why's ljl giving logs?
[23:56] <LjL> PriceChild: because the logbot apparently fails to provide them
[23:57] <PriceChild> oh was it mia?
[23:57] <Flannel> PriceChild: or something, yeah.  blank log
[23:57] <LjL> Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53813/
[23:58] <Flannel> LjL: thanks


[00:57] <hihihi100> hi
[00:57] <hihihi100> do u give support here?
[00:58] <gord> hihihi100, no, you want #ubuntu for support with ubuntu
[00:59] <hihihi100> and whats the purpose of this room?
[01:18] <imbrandon> hihihi100: its where ubutnu classes are held periodicly
[01:18] <imbrandon> look at the topic ;)
[01:19] <hihihi100> any lesson in mind? and when will it be held?
[01:19] <imbrandon> again , all that info is in topic on the wiki
[01:19] <hihihi100> noob here


[01:51] <cprofitt> skellat: ping
[01:51] <skellat> cprofitt: pong
[07:47] <Thomas146> Kan je ook een linux computer kopen
[07:48] <Thomas146> Of alleen maar te downloaden
[18:08] <milkinitah> hello
[18:08] <belkinsa> Hello
[18:08] <milkinitah> como posso obter o cd do ubuntu?
[18:08] <belkinsa> Ask in #ubuntu-es?
[18:09] <belkinsa> Never mind.
[18:09] <belkinsa> Wrong channel and maybe the wrong reponse to your question
[18:09] <milkinitah> contact?
[18:10] <milkinitah> e mail?
[18:10] <belkinsa> No, your question
[18:10] <milkinitah> cd ubuntu
[18:12] <belkinsa> You can download it at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop.  Find which version you need, download, and burn to an empty writable disk.
[18:13] <milkinitah> but I want the original cd
[18:13] <belkinsa> You need to buy it, buy they sell them in packs of 5.
[18:14] <milkinitah> I have not computer
[18:14] <belkinsa> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=976
[18:14] <belkinsa> Are you on a public one?
[18:16] <milkinitah> but it's free
[18:17] <milkinitah_> but i'ts free
[18:17] <belkinsa> The use of it, right?
[18:17] <milkinitah_> the cd
[18:18] <pleia2> milkinitah_: what country are you in?
[18:18] <milkinitah_> france
[18:18] <belkinsa> Thank you, pleia2/
[18:18] <pleia2> milkinitah_: might want to ask in #ubuntu-fr
[18:18] <pleia2> milkinitah_: perhaps someone local to you can get you a CD :)
[18:18] <pleia2> milkinitah_: they also have contact details on http://www.ubuntu-fr.org/
[18:20] <milkinitah_> thank you


[04:31] <lynorian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1671273 oh wow I did not really follow this that much
[04:31] <lynorian> I really wonder what this means for 16.04.3 or 17.04?


[04:20] <mup> Bug #1750862 changed: stress-ng-cpu short runs forever on Huawei Server <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750862>
[06:55] <McL0v1n> Hey hey!
[06:55] <McL0v1n> Anyone around? I've got a question.
[06:56] <McL0v1n> I'm having issues with MAAS losing IPMI capabilities. Everything will be good in the interface, but then suddenly all nodes power status switches to error and maas can't do anything. All usernames and passwords are still configured
[09:00] <mup> Bug #1766528 opened: Charm deploys fail with EOF when one Regiond daemon is missing on one MAAS node in HA MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766528>
[09:15] <mup> Bug #1766528 changed: Charm deploys fail with EOF when one Regiond daemon is missing on one MAAS node in HA MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766528>
[09:18] <mup> Bug #1766528 opened: Charm deploys fail with EOF when one Regiond daemon is missing on one MAAS node in HA MAAS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766528>
[15:04] <mup> Bug #1074317 opened: cmdline acquire and start is difficult <cli> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074317>
[15:25] <mup> Bug #1766637 opened: UEFI-mode Bionic deployments failing <hwcert-server> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766637>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1766637 changed: UEFI-mode Bionic deployments failing <hwcert-server> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766637>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1766637 opened: UEFI-mode Bionic deployments failing <hwcert-server> <curtin:New> <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766637>
[16:05] <McL0v1n> Good day!
[16:06] <McL0v1n> anyone around today? Still having issues with IPMI and maas
[16:19] <mup> Bug #1766651 opened: broken layout on the action dropdown for "test hardware" <MAAS:New for deadlight> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766651>
[16:25] <mup> Bug #1766637 changed: UEFI-mode Bionic deployments failing <hwcert-server> <curtin:Invalid> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766637>
[16:26] <roaksoax> McL0v1n: Hi. What issues are you having ?
[16:27] <McL0v1n> SO, I had everything in maas ready to deploy. 11 nodes, 3 of which were already juju controllers
[16:27] <McL0v1n> then suddenly ipmi error on every single one
[16:27] <McL0v1n> sorry, power error
[16:27] <McL0v1n> so the status on every single one is at error
[16:27] <McL0v1n> I tried my old work around by changing the timeout in ipmi.py, but nothing yet brings it back
[16:29] <McL0v1n> roaksoax
[16:30] <McL0v1n_> Joined here, had ti leave the house
[16:34] <McL0v1n> Sorry about that
[16:41] <roaksoax> McL0v1n: so, hold on
[16:41] <roaksoax> McL0v1n: you mean you enlist/commission the machines just fine
[16:41] <roaksoax> McL0v1n: they are marked 'Ready'
[16:41] <roaksoax> McL0v1n: and after a few minutes, power is red ?
[17:15] <mimizone> Hi all. Anything that changed in the MAAS DHCP recently that would allow to set IP from different pools based on what either the relay that sent the request to MAAS or the MAC address of the server? Our IPs are segmented by rack (a few /25 per rack) and its' necessary for getting a working L3 routing in ToR switch that the right IPs are assigned by MAAS.
[17:15] <mimizone> I'd like to only use one or two MAAS region controllers for our entire setup and not have rack controllers in every racks
[17:18] <McL0v1n_> Roaksoax it wasnt after a few minutes, it was all day
[17:19] <McL0v1n_> They are all ready, and 3 are even deployed
[17:19] <McL0v1n_> Then at a certain time im sitting there configuring juju charms to prepare for a deployment and all power statuses turn error
[17:40] <mup> Bug #1766665 opened: maas-region fails with an error 500 in an attempt to delete a subnet <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766665>
[18:06] <McL0v1n_> Roaksoax: i checked tbe logs and there isnt anything out of the ordinary
[18:13] <mup> Bug #1766671 opened: [2.4] 2018-04-24 17:49:06 maasserver.dhcp: [critical] None         (UNABLE TO OBTAIN TRACEBACK FROM EVENT) <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766671>
[18:23] <xygnal> so....we just deployed a node as a user
[18:23] <xygnal> but that node was allocated to another user
[18:24] <xygnal> this was done with non-admin keys for the 2 users
[18:24] <xygnal> is this known?
[18:43] <mup> Bug #1766680 opened: [2.4, regression] UI action confirmation messages are missing <regression> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766680>
[18:47] <eduardo_> Hi all. If you have Debian images that are working with MAAS, send me a message. We'd like to offer $100 per working image
[18:54] <eduardo_> Same thing for Fedora, CoreOS, RancherOS
[19:08] <xygnal> disregard - mistake
[19:49] <mup> Bug #1766707 opened: [2.4, UI] Dismissing an error on the UI, will make it never appear again <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1766707>
[22:52] <ltrager> eduardo_: Canonical provides paid support and may be able to assist you in deploying other operating systems
[22:52] <ltrager> eduardo_: Feel free to reach out at https://maas.io/contact-us
[23:28] <eduardo_> Thank ou ltrager but you can't buy from them even if you want to. sales is horrible so I can't even imagine support


[11:42] <levander> If an iso on the filesystem is less than 4.7 GB, do you know that it will fit on a DVD disc?  I just know that if you look at regular files on the filesystem and add their size, you can only get like 4.3 GB on a disc.  Because the DVD filesystem takes some space.
[11:42] <deprave_> sorry
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> erm
[11:42] <gehel2> Goodspeed, yep. you see the "noexec". now either copy the file you try to execute to another partition or edit /etc/fstab, remove the noexec and remount the CD
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> why do I get weird xml errors with firefox?
[11:42] <joachim> how do I get a list of all things in a folder that start with a dot? "ls .*" seems to do subdirectories too
[11:42] <deprave_> what's gam serv?
[11:42] <deprave_> what's gam_serv?
[11:42] <Goodspeed> gedit /etc/fstab
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> ah
[11:42] <spanglesontoast> dw
[11:42] <Goodspeed> right?
[11:43] <pestilence> joachim: ls -ld .* ?
[11:43] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right
[11:43] <hubsi> could someone say me what theis breezy means?
[11:43] <Goodspeed> what am i looking for in the folder
[11:43] <Goodspeed> i dont see noexec
[11:43] <pestilence> hubsi: breezy = unstable = don't use
[11:43] <levander> hubsi: breezy is the next release of ubuntu.  The current one is hoary.
[11:43] <avadash> ist here a package that installs kde to ubuntu?
[11:43] <PaveK> nophix -> do I need to phisically reboot the machine to get the modify work?
[11:43] <avadash> i like kde better than gnome
[11:44] <pestilence> avadash: kubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <nophix> PaveK: i would recommend it actually :)
[11:44] <PaveK> ok, rebooting ^_^
[11:44] <D1> kinda amazes me how breezy is supposed to be done by october
[11:44] <hubsi> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <- this one is hoary ?
[11:44] <D1> seems really unstable now.
[11:45] <pestilence> hubsi: yes
[11:45] <MrMaDSeN> damn I going to bed... screw that sound...
[11:45] <hubsi> thanks
[11:45] <dishfish> Bith are good, though gnome is a bit memory-friendly. Have you tried "Enlightenment"
[11:45] <gehel2> Goodspeed, right, it's done by the automounter ... than just copy the file somewhere else, that's the easiest
[11:45] <kemik> hubsi:  looks like the right versionnumber
[11:45] <joachim> thanks pestilence
[11:45] <dishfish> yo can update it from the "universe" in synaptic
[11:45] <pestilence> joachim: np
[11:45] <Goodspeed> you mean like get rid of it?
[11:45] <mrknisely> Need some help with a wireless card install...
[11:46] <dishfish> ...and in standard buntu, KDE is also available in the Universe section.
[11:46] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the prob ?
[11:46] <mrknisely> I've got a Sonicwall card which I've compiled the hostap drivers for.
[11:46] <hubsi> but, i have a problem.. when i use this "update program" and restart the system, ubuntu says "couldn't start X ...  /etc/X not executable"
[11:47] <Hikaru79> I'm so confused by audio in ubuntu. Can someone tell me straight and clear -- what should I be using, esound, arts, alsa, polypaudio, jackd?? And prefferably a link to some sort of guide explaining how to set up the daemon
[11:47] <mrknisely> Compile went fine, but when I insert the card, syslog says that it is an unsupported card.
[11:47] <mrknisely> I'm sure this is a simple rtfm thing, but I'm just not seeing it.
[11:47] <gehel2> Hikaru79, welcome to the wonderfull world of free choice !
[11:47] <avadash> pestilence: waht is kubuntu-desktop
[11:47] <barkley> what's the difference between colony 1 and colony 2?
[11:48] <mbirkis> is it possible to rebuild a .deb from i386 to amd64 in a "easy" way?
[11:48] <gehel2> mrknisely, it's probably not that easy ... WiFi is not all that well supported under linux
[11:48] <dishfish> artas is an audio manager, alsa is a driver set... but Ubuntu should have OSS by default as a snd driver collection
[11:48] <pestilence> avadash: it's kde for ubuntu
[11:48] <avadash> pestilence: it that the apt-get package name?
[11:49] <mrknisely> gehel2: should be simple as this hardware gets this driver.  I'm guessing somewhere in modules... I'm just not a linux hardware guy.
[11:49] <dishfish> so alsa should be recommendable only if you know what you're doing or if you have some exotic hardware that's not include in the standard set
[11:49] <pestilence> avadash: yes
[11:49] <avadash> thx
[11:49] <hubsi> is there somewhere a german ubuntu help chan in this network?
[11:49] <gehel2> mrknisely, what's the exact error message (I'm not a hardware guy either :-(
[11:49] <dishfish> you can also get KDE with Synaptic by enabling the "universe" repository"
[11:49] <dooonz> i have a library that needs to be installed how do i go about?? the file is libborqt-6.9-qt2.3.so
[11:49] <pestilence> hubsi: did you try #ubuntu-de?
[11:50] <gehel2> hubsi, das weiss ich nicht ...
[11:50] <hubsi> it works :D
[11:50] <asdfDiplomats> hey
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] : unsupported card in socket 0
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] :   product info: "SonicWALL", "Long Range Wireless Card", "ISL37100P", "1.0"
[11:50] <mrknisely> Aug  3 17:50:08 localhost cardmgr[6490] :   manfid: 0x000b, 0x7100  function: 6 (network)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> gehel, I don't like choice ;_; Someone please order me around!!
[11:50] <pestilence> surprise surprise ;)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> ;)
[11:50] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu
[11:50] <gehel2> sorry all, gotta go to bed ...
[11:50] <Sputn1k> Why when linux starting i get this "mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system"
[11:50] <gehel2> bye
[11:51] <pestilence> asdfDiplomats: in kde, krdc?
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> how do you get rdp to work in ubuntu
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> yup
[11:51] <_olaf> what's a good mounting GUI app?
[11:51] <Sputn1k> ive added
[11:51] <mrknisely> asdfDiplmats:  RDP client or server?  A client is available in Internet called "Terminal Server Client"  It also does VNC.
[11:51] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI?
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> in default~ i am a newbee
[11:51] <asdfDiplomats> client
[11:52] <hmrocha> om_, it's working now
[11:52] <asdfDiplomats> found it, i love you!!!!!!!!!
[11:52] <asdfDiplomats> btw i love all of you, and this linux
[11:52] <hmrocha> i did an apt-get install xwindow-system-core, xwindow-system and xfonts-base
[11:52] <fizile> anyone expierence with rhythmbox ?
[11:52] <mrknisely> asdfDiplomats:  Careful, my wife might get jealous.
[11:52] <benkong2> does shorewall have a GUI?
[11:52] <flodine> hello yall
[11:52] <hmrocha> fizile, what do you need?
[11:52] <pestilence> benkong2: doubtful
[11:53] <linlin> benkong2, there are frontends you can use
[11:53] <benkong2> pestilence; ok
[11:53] <linlin> benkong2, such as webmin
[11:53] <asdfDiplomats> o i have another problem
[11:53] <fizile> hmrocha, im having trouble listening to music, i got the program to recognize mp3 format, but it wont give me and sound
[11:53] <benkong2> ok so install apache, webmin and then do the firewall thingy
[11:53] <Bryan29556> Anyone know how to play .avi files
[11:53] <Sputn1k> ive added this /dev/hda2       /media/windows  ntfs    nls=utf8,umask=0222 0       0    in fstab, but when linux starting i get this "unable to mount: 'ntfs' unknown file system" My win partition are on ntfs system
[11:53] <Hikaru79> fizile, is anythign else using your soundcard?
[11:53] <mbirkis> ok... i have a tv-card that i think is supported in linux... the driver to use is saa7114 <-- what do i do to test if that works?
[11:53] <linlin> webmin doesnt need apache
[11:54] <jazzanova_> hi
[11:54] <fizile> well what do you mean, like at the same moment, or ever
[11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, sounds like you don't have NTFS drivers installed.
[11:54] <jazzanova_> how can i reconfigure my clock ?
[11:54] <benkong2> thanks
[11:54] <fizile> i use xmms as well, through my sound card, and it will play normally
[11:54] <hmrocha> fizile, what did you do to make it recognize the mp3 format?
[11:54] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 manualy i can mount it
[11:54] <linlin> np
[11:54] <ironmc> I can't seem to access any of my CDROM or floppy drives with the file manager or from the terminal - any ideas??
[11:54] <Sputn1k> bot on fstab= no
[11:54] <jazzanova_> i need to set the correct timezone onmy clock. how do i do it ?
[11:54] <Hikaru79> Sputn1k, try:   sudo apt-get install libntfs5 ntfsprogs
[11:54] <pestilence> mbirkis: did you try "modprobe saa7114" ?
[11:54] <fizile> hmrocha, i installed the gstreamer mp3 package through my synaptic
[11:55] <Bryan29556> anyone know how to play .avi files
[11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:55] <fizile> yeah i did this.
[11:55] <pestilence> !tell Bryan29556 about multimedia
[11:55] <hmrocha> fizile, close rhythmbox and open it again
[11:55] <fizile> it will play the music, but only through my onboard sound and not through my soundcard
[11:55] <fizile> ive opened and closed it numerous times now
[11:55] <Hikaru79> fizile, did you follow ubuntuguide's advice on configuring esound?
[11:56] <hmrocha> fizile, i can't help you then
[11:56] <mbirkis> pestilence, i did the modprobe, what now?
[11:56] <Sputn1k> Hikaru79 it didint help, on my new kernel ntfs dont works :/
[11:56] <fizile> Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms
[11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile:
[11:56] <Hikaru79> fizile Hikaru79, ill check that out now thanks, i hadnt before since it was working fine for xmms
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Oops
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Bad paste ^_^;
[11:56] <Hikaru79> Here, fizile: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:57] <Raf99> anyone have any resolution issues with ubuntu ? ( i'm using a kvm switch also )
[11:57] <Hikaru79> Sputnlk, hmm... what exactle does it say when you do:  mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ?
[11:57] <pestilence> mbirkis: you could type "dmesg" and see what effect that had
[11:57] <Hikaru79> (replace the mount dirs with your own, obviusly)
[11:58] <Raf99> i disconnected the monitor cable yesterday , re-connected and booted up, which allowed me todo 1280x1024, etc.  But the next reboot now only allows 640X480
[11:58] <whitefang> what's ubuntu-backports?
[11:58] <mbirkis> pestilence, thnx, you are very helpful
[11:58] <pestilence> mbirkis: np
[11:58] <Hikaru79> whitefang, a repository of additional packages for those who aren't satisfied with hoary's selection.
[11:58] <hmrocha> oh my god!!!!
[11:58] <hmrocha> is file browser the default operation mode?
[11:58] <hmrocha> (in breezy)
[11:59] <whitefang> but it also has updated packages?
[11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang, yes, a lot of them.
[11:59] <Hikaru79> whitefang , they have their own section in the forums. Go check it out there.
[11:59] <mbirkis> pestilence, i can't find any messages in dmesg about the modprobe saa7114
[11:59] <whitefang> i'm doing a dist-upgrade, and it's installing a bp version of the same version of firefox
[11:59] <whitefang> Hikaru79, are they generally stable?
[12:00] <whitefang> and what forum should i check?
[12:00] <Hikaru79> whitefang, they've recently become an official repository. So, yes.


[00:47]  * zaafouri is away (brb =))
[00:51] <nhandler> ubuntu-tn: Could you please disable your away script?
[09:55]  * zaafouri is away (brb =))
[10:05] <Hobbsee> ubuntu-tn: when are you going to remove that message?
[16:11] <evand> hi
[16:11] <liw> yeehaa
[16:11] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[16:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:11. The chair is robbiew.
[16:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:11] <james_w> hi
[16:11] <Keybuk> howdy
[16:11] <doko> hi
[16:11] <mterry> Hello!
[16:11] <cjwatson_> argh, sorry I'm late, got held up on the school run
[16:11] <robbiew> hey mterry
[16:12] <robbiew> welcome to the party
[16:12] <mterry> :)
[16:12] <robbiew> cjwatson: not late
[16:12] <james_w> hi mterry
[16:12] <robbiew> I had to start late...conflicting meeting earlier
[16:12] <cjwatson> oh, you delayed the start, perfect then
[16:12] <robbiew> mvo, persia, and slangasek are on vacation today
[16:12] <TheMuso> yy! Means I'll hopefully get to bed that much sooner. :p
[16:12] <robbiew> ;)
[16:13] <TheMuso> yay even
[16:13] <Keybuk> robbiew: persia?
[16:13] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Karmic Alpha 1
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Karmic Alpha 1
[16:13] <cjwatson> alpha 1 is being ... fun
[16:13] <robbiew> Keybuk: sorry, I forget muharem's handle
[16:13] <dholbach> robbiew: al- maisan
[16:13] <cjwatson> I think we may just manage to squeak in inside the deadline
[16:13] <robbiew> duh...sorry
[16:13] <robbiew> persia is emmet
[16:14] <robbiew> :/
[16:14]  * dholbach hugs robbiew
[16:14] <Keybuk> ;)
[16:14] <cjwatson> it's been suffering from size problems, and a number of the usual early-in-the-release teething problems
[16:14]  * TheMuso will test studio images tomorrow, or should I say later today, in a VM.
[16:14] <cjwatson> notably, it isn't going to have live CDs
[16:14] <robbiew> cjwatson: well...it's Thursday somewhere in the world
[16:14] <robbiew> ;)
[16:14] <ogra> and no kernel on armel ...
[16:14] <cjwatson> pitti's been doing a lot of work to get it in shape
[16:14] <liw> it's going to be Thursday for a long time on Saturn, isn't it?
[16:14]  * robbiew hugs pitti
[16:14] <cjwatson> right, and armel is screwed, ran into an ld segfault with the most recent kernel build
[16:14] <cjwatson> I'm not up to date with the status on that
[16:15] <ogra> i think doko has an idea what to do
[16:15] <ogra> i collected data the whole day
[16:15] <doko> testing a fix
[16:15] <ogra> Bug #375991 for anyone intrested
[16:15]  * robbiew admits that with UDS and PDRs...and AllHands I've been embarrassingly clueless about Alpha 1 status
[16:16]  * mterry pats ubottu
[16:16]  * liw admits that what with being an idiot he's clueless about Alpha 1 status
[16:16] <robbiew> hi al-maisan...realized you are NOT on vacation today :P
[16:17] <Keybuk> robbiew: Alpha 1 Status is... "Everything Will Be Ok"
[16:17]  * robbiew types in wrong window
[16:17] <ogra> for alpha 2
[16:17] <ogra> :)
[16:17] <robbiew> heh
[16:17] <Keybuk> ogra: <g>
[16:17] <cjwatson> I've been looking at unionfs-fuse as a possible live CD option
[16:17] <evand> oo
[16:17] <cjwatson> on one level it scares the bejesus out of me
[16:18] <robbiew> lol
[16:18] <ogra> cjwatson, did you look at the devicemapper thing fedora uses ?
[16:18] <cjwatson> on another level it seems like a good way to work around the fact that union filesystems scare the bejesus out of kernel developers :-)
[16:18] <cjwatson> ogra: yes, we looked at that, the BIG BIG BIG downside is that there's no way to make it rsyncable
[16:18] <ogra> ah
[16:18] <cjwatson> I can only assume Fedora don't care since lots of them work in offices with good bandwidth
[16:18] <Keybuk> like
[16:18] <Keybuk> utterly
[16:18] <Keybuk> not
[16:18] <TheMuso> heh
[16:18] <evand> that was quite hilarious
[16:18] <cjwatson> the choices with their approach are:
[16:18] <ogra> is there any chance we'll see aufs/unionfs coming back ?
[16:19] <cjwatson> * gzip (which doesn't fit)
[16:19] <Keybuk> a change to /etc/issue, recompressed, resulted in every single byte of the compressed filesystem changing
[16:19] <cjwatson> * lzma (which doesn't rsync)
[16:19] <cjwatson> ogra: I'm not sure
[16:19] <cjwatson> that's why I'm looking at unionfs-fuse :-)
[16:19]  * ogra hopes so
[16:19] <ogra> else ltsp will need a serious rewrite
[16:19] <Keybuk> Fedora don't test their CDs, so it's never really been a problem with them
[16:19] <ogra> though i can steal from you :)
[16:19] <TheMuso> lol
[16:19] <cjwatson> it's not working right now, but I'm getting the sense of "nearly there, if only I can find the little bugs that completely break it"
[16:19] <cjwatson> I mean, the filesystem mounts fine
[16:20] <TheMuso> cjwatson: For some context, whats up with aufs/whatever we were using in the kernel to do this?
[16:20] <cjwatson> problem is that as soon as we do mount -n -o move /cdrom /root/cdrom it completely and utterly falls over
[16:20] <cjwatson> TheMuso: it's been repeatedly refused for merge upstream, and doesn't apply to our current kernel
[16:20] <Keybuk> TheMuso: rejected upstream, maintainer/author has vanished, doesn't even apply to the current kernel version, etc.
[16:20] <TheMuso> Right.
[16:20] <cjwatson> we used to use unionfs and I think that's even worse
[16:20] <TheMuso> Userspace does certainly sound like an option then.
[16:21] <ogra> its just a hell of a transition on all fronts
[16:21] <cjwatson> opensuse has a "clicfs" container that lets you wrap compression around more or less an arbitrary filesystem, but that has the same problems as the fedora approach
[16:21] <liw> is lzma inherently un-rsyncably?
[16:21] <cjwatson> ogra: the casper change is actually really small, I think
[16:21] <Keybuk> liw: the appropriate phrase is "lzma and rsync are mortal enemies"
[16:21] <cjwatson> liw: yes, it arises from its large block size which is where it gets its excellent compression ratios
[16:21] <liw> ook
[16:22] <cjwatson> I could be wrong, but I don't *think* it's a fixable property
[16:22] <Keybuk> you could have rsync unlzma it at one end, transfer the uncompressed, and then re-compress on the other end
[16:22] <Keybuk> but the re-compression alone takes longer than just "wget" on the image
[16:22] <Keybuk> except possibly on a 14400 baud modem
[16:22] <robbiew> heh
[16:22] <cjwatson> so far, TBH, unionfs-fuse is the only thing I've seen that's even slightly viable - I'm more than open to other suggestions
[16:23] <Keybuk> cjwatson: RH are working on an interesting alternate approach to union filesystems
[16:23] <Keybuk> but it's a long way off if we didn't help
[16:23] <cjwatson> oh?
[16:23] <Keybuk> doing it at the VFS layer
[16:23] <Keybuk> mount --union basically
[16:23] <cjwatson> ah, right
[16:23] <jjohansen> union mounts aren't going in anytime soon
[16:23] <cjwatson> we'd need to keep aufs on life support for some time if that were the case
[16:24] <Keybuk> jjohansen: right, I just said that ;P
[16:24] <jjohansen> Keybuk: yeah, I just meant it more from a likely never angle
[16:24] <liw> I asked Lasse Collin (LZMA Utils upstream) about lzma+rsync: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=3272163&forum_id=708858 was his response
[16:26] <robbiew> okay...moving on
[16:26] <robbiew> [TOPIC] UDS
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS
[16:26] <cjwatson> liw: hmm, interesting that it's not a "no, never" kind of thing
[16:26] <cjwatson> thanks for that
[16:26] <robbiew> has everyone gotten a chance to see the schedule?
[16:26] <robbiew> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-a/ http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-b/
[16:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-a/ http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-b/
[16:26] <TheMuso> Haven't looked at since last week, so nothing thats changed recently.
[16:27]  * evand wants to be in too many rooms at the same time :(
[16:27] <liw> Larhzu is Lasse Collin
[16:27] <Larhzu> Hey
[16:28] <robbiew> I will be going through our sessions, to be sure I have someone to lead the discussion
[16:28] <robbiew> as I cannot with two rooms going at once
[16:28] <robbiew> I think I'll shoot an email out with all the sessions and who I think should lead
[16:28] <robbiew> then go from there
[16:29] <liw> Larhzu, we _just_ moved to the next topic, but I'm sure cjwatson would be interested in your further comments about lzma+rsync; I forwarded the URL gave me already
[16:29] <Larhzu> liw mentioned something about compressing live-CD with LZMA and keeping small changes rsyncable. Is the live-CD compressed with Squashfs or are there normal compressed .deb files or what?
[16:29] <robbiew> I got an email from Kees requesting "representation" in a few security team sessions
[16:29] <cjwatson> Larhzu: can we move to #ubuntu-devel?
[16:29] <Larhzu> cjwatson: Sure
[16:30] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:30] <robbiew> I will read over them and find the appropriate folks
[16:30] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AllHands
[16:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  AllHands
[16:30] <robbiew> For those doing presentations...deadline is this Friday
[16:31]  * robbiew needs to start his :/
[16:31] <robbiew> not much else to say there
[16:31] <liw> for once I'm ahead of schedule
[16:32] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Performance Reviews
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Performance Reviews
[16:32] <robbiew> Everyone should be done with 360s
[16:32] <robbiew> managers are waiting on the go ahead to provide raise recommendations
[16:32] <robbiew> the deadline for review discussions is June 26th
[16:33] <robbiew> I don't think I will have the bandwidth to do any until after UDS
[16:33] <robbiew> though I'd prefer to do it face-to-face
[16:33] <robbiew> just not sure how feasible that will be
[16:33] <robbiew> I guess I can "aim high"
[16:34] <robbiew> any questions about reviews?
[16:34] <robbiew> guess not
[16:34] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Team changes
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team changes
[16:35] <robbiew> so...we have mterry and al-maisan officially :D
[16:35] <robbiew> mterry for 6months...and al-maisan for 3
[16:36]  * mterry waves
[16:36] <al-maisan> hello :)
[16:36] <Keybuk> welcome! :)
[16:36] <robbiew> so he misses the "awesome" release sprint
[16:36] <liw> welcome
[16:36] <robbiew> doko is sadly rotating out starting after UDS
[16:36] <robbiew> :(
[16:36] <cjwatson> welcome to you both
[16:36] <TheMuso> Welcome gys.
[16:36] <robbiew> but will be available for 20% of his time
[16:36] <TheMuso> guys
[16:36] <al-maisan> thanks :)
[16:36] <doko> and he avoid being hurt by Keybuk at the sprint ...
[16:36] <cjwatson> doko will be missed; but also will be back (yay)
[16:36] <TheMuso> gah its late. :p
[16:36]  * mterry will do his best doko impression for 6 months
[16:37] <robbiew> mterry heh
[16:37] <robbiew> that's a hefty task
[16:37] <evand> hi
[16:37] <robbiew> sadly, TheMuso will be moving to desktop :(
[16:37] <robbiew> with the new Audio Experience Architect for DX coming
[16:38] <robbiew> just made more sense to have audio in the desktop team
[16:38] <TheMuso> Fair enough.
[16:38] <TheMuso> As I said to robbiew the other day, I'm not fussed either way.
[16:38]  * robbiew also thinks accessibility will benefit from this move as well
[16:38] <TheMuso> a11y also plays a big part in desktop also.
[16:38] <robbiew> so...that will leave dmraid to someone else
[16:39] <robbiew> i'm sure TheMuso heartbroken over that :P
[16:39] <TheMuso> robbiew: Is there anyone else who can take it up in the short term?
[16:39] <robbiew> any volunteers?
[16:39] <Keybuk> sounds like that belongs on the server team ;)
[16:39] <TheMuso> robbiew: I'm not, bt its a question of who knows it/has the hardware, etc.
[16:39] <robbiew> Keybuk: nice try
[16:39] <robbiew> TheMuso: do you have the hardware?
[16:39] <TheMuso> robbiew: Yes.
[16:39] <liw> is dmraid not in the kernel?
[16:40] <robbiew> ah...is it yours? or Canonical's
[16:40]  * robbiew thinking we could ship it
[16:40] <TheMuso> Its a coincidence, but yes
[16:40] <TheMuso> robbiew: Its mine, its my primary desktop workstation.
[16:40] <robbiew> damn :/
[16:40] <TheMuso> robbiew: All thats needed is a recent intel chipset motherboard with an intel ICH/AHCI controller.
[16:40] <liw> remind me, does dmraid refer to the cheap raid chips on most motherboard these days?
[16:40] <TheMuso> liw: Yes.
[16:41] <robbiew> sounds like a volunteer to me...thanks liw!
[16:41] <robbiew> :P
[16:41] <cjwatson> liw: dmraid has (fairly significant) userspace pieces too
[16:41] <TheMuso> Its nothing hardware related, its all software. The BIOS writes metadata to the disks, and its all managed by dmraid
[16:41] <liw> robbiew, I can barely get the kernel to recognize my hard disks as it is :P
[16:42] <TheMuso> robbiew: thanks for taking it off my hands. I will help with testing if its ever needed however.
[16:42] <robbiew> TheMuso: thanks for taking audio with you :P
[16:42] <robbiew> lol
[16:42] <TheMuso> I don't know were I'd be without dtchen.
[16:43] <robbiew> we don't have to sort out the dmraid issue now...but will need to by UDS
[16:43] <TheMuso> Right.
[16:43]  * doko hands over the a11y and pulseaudio openjdk parts
[16:43] <robbiew> heh
[16:43] <TheMuso> doko: Sure I can do java-access-bridge if thats any help.
[16:44] <robbiew> that reminds me..doko will be providing a list of things he will NOT be doing this cycle
[16:44] <robbiew> we will need to assign these work items within the team
[16:44] <robbiew> so it's going to be an interesting release :D
[16:45]  * robbiew will work on growing the team...at least a warm body to backfill TheMuso
[16:45] <robbiew> ;)
[16:45] <TheMuso> heh
[16:45] <robbiew> [TOPIC]AOB/Good News?
[16:45] <MootBot> New Topic: AOB/Good News?
[16:46] <al-maisan> AOB?
[16:46] <robbiew> sorry
[16:46] <robbiew> Any Other Business
[16:46] <al-maisan> ah :)
[16:46] <TheMuso> Yes, I may be attending meetings at a more suitable time thanks to my team move. :p
[16:46] <robbiew> lol
[16:46] <robbiew> okay...thanks all
[16:46] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:46] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:46.
[16:46] <liw> thanks
[16:47] <robbiew> see ya next week!
[16:47] <al-maisan> thanks!
[16:47] <TheMuso> Thanks folks, and see ou all at all-hands.
[16:47]  * TheMuso -> bed
[16:47] <evand> thanks!
[18:00] <heno> hey everyone
[18:00] <pedro_> hola!
[18:00] <bdmurray> Hi
[18:00] <fader> Howdy
[18:00] <ogasawara> hi
[18:00] <solarius> hello!
[18:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[18:01] <ara> hi!
[18:02] <heno> sbeattie: here?
[18:02] <heno> eeejay: ?
[18:02] <sbeattie> hey
[18:02] <davmor2> hello
[18:03] <heno> let's start
[18:03] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is heno.
[18:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:03] <heno> agenda as usual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[18:04] <heno> [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:04] <pedro_> We had a Compiz based hug day last Thursday http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090507
[18:04] <pedro_> around 41 bug were hugged
[18:05] <pedro_> Thanks a lot to showard314, jgoguen, kklimonda and bdmurray who made a great job during it
[18:05] <mgunes> hi all
[18:06] <pedro_> Tomorrow, we're having a New bugs without a package hug day: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090514
[18:06] <pedro_> as soon as we announced it people started to work on the task, thanks you folks!
[18:06] <heno> great, thank you
[18:06] <eeejay> hey
[18:06] <pedro_> so i'm just expecting to have a really rocking hug day tomorrow ;-)
[18:07] <heno> [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:07] <bdmurray> This week we had an application from Geir Ove Myhr who has been working on xserver-xorg-video-intel bugs and was heartily endorse by Bryce Harrington.
[18:08] <bdmurray> Subsequently, his membership was approved.
[18:08] <heno> sounds great
[18:08] <bdmurray> He has also added himself to the mentors list which is good!
[18:08] <heno> speaking of bug-control ...
[18:09] <heno> I'd like to request provisional membership for plars who is currently working on migrating unr bugs
[18:09] <bdmurray> provisional?
[18:09] <heno> He should apply in the proper way, but needs access now for this task
[18:11] <heno> I know I have the LP powers to grant that but I want to check with this meeting and the bugmaster :)
[18:11] <bdmurray> He needs access to private bugs or other statuses?
[18:12] <plars> just to be able to match the importance of the bug I'm migrating to, to the one it came from
[18:12] <heno> He works for Canonical on the mobile QA team and is moving unr project bugs to Ubuntu and needs to set importances
[18:12] <bdmurray> oh right, you are moving bugs from a project to Ubuntu?
[18:13] <heno> I would suggest a 2-3 week membership with the understanding that it will only be used for this
[18:13] <heno> in that time he should apply in the regular way
[18:13] <heno> plars: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[18:15] <heno> We've decided not to special case Canonical folks by just letting them in, which is why I'm asking us to consider the case here
[18:15] <heno> bdmurray: do you have concerns?
[18:16] <bdmurray> heno: Nope, sounds reasonable.  Until 6/3 then?
[18:16] <heno> sounds good
[18:16] <heno> any other bug-control news?
[18:16] <bdmurray> plars: can you click the join team link at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bugcontrol? it'll make things a wee bit easier
[18:17] <bdmurray> The ubuntu-core-doc (Ubuntu Documentation Committers) team was also added to bug control.
[18:17] <plars> bdmurray: done
[18:18] <bdmurray> It is a subset of the ubuntu doc team and is useful since their package(s)? are now tracking bugs in Ubuntu as opposed to a project
[18:18] <heno> ok great
[18:18] <heno> is their upload limited to doc packages by LP?
[18:19] <heno> or can they upload kernels? :)
[18:19] <bdmurray> They have bzr commit access to the documentation
[18:19] <heno> makes sense
[18:19] <heno> [TOPIC] Bug Squad had a meeting -- bdmurray
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Squad had a meeting -- bdmurray
[18:20] <bdmurray> andresmujica organized a Bug Squad meeting yesterday
[18:21] <bdmurray> The minutes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting/Minutes/2009-12-05
[18:21] <heno> That's fantastic to see!
[18:21] <bdmurray> The discussion was quite useful I thought and there will be a next meeting on June 9th
[18:22] <mgunes> are bug squad meetings to be periodic?
[18:22] <bdmurray> mgunes: It was decided the 2nd Tuesday of the month
[18:22] <mgunes> bdmurray, cool, thanks
[18:22] <bdmurray> Unless there becomes too much to talk about in which the frequency may be increased
[18:23] <bdmurray> in which case
[18:23] <heno> And it's essentially a bugsquad+control meeting, right? No need to have two I guess
[18:24] <bdmurray> heno: that's correct
[18:24] <heno> [TOPIC] UDS preparations -- heno
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS preparations -- heno
[18:25] <heno> the schedules are here http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/
[18:25] <mgunes> I will be soliciting feedback about my tester weather report spec in the following days, initially from testers, about what kind of features and design they would find useful, and flesh out the spec a bit to pre-discussion state.
[18:25] <heno> mgunes: sounds great
[18:26] <heno> I'd encourage everyone to look at the specs and help write meeting agendas and use cases
[18:27] <heno> I think schwuk was going to set up all the gobby documents ahead of time
[18:28] <mgunes> heno, that would be great - we should make sure we have a predecided scheme for gobby document names to avoid chaos.
[18:28] <heno> We also have plenty of space in Room B this time for break-out discussions
[18:29] <ara> is anyone having the scroll left-right problem in summit.ubuntu.com
[18:29] <ara> ?
[18:29] <heno> we should go with gobby name == <prefix> + LP blueprint name
[18:29] <ara> if you click on monday, the room b does not show up, but it does not have a scroll
[18:30] <fader> ara: I don't get a scrollbar but I am able to scroll with arrow keys
[18:30] <ara> fader: cool, thanks
[18:30] <heno> I'm not seeing that problem
[18:30] <charlie-tca> I get no scroll bars
[18:30] <pedro_> i do get a scrollbar here
[18:31] <heno> schwuk: we were just talking about setting up gobby documents
[18:31] <davmor2> no scroll here on my big screen
[18:31] <heno> we should populate them with wiki raw text of stub specs
[18:31] <heno> and give them predictable names
[18:32] <fader> (Ah, I do get scrollbars, but they're inside an iframe or something so they're kinda tough to find at first)
 we should go with gobby name == <prefix> + LP blueprint name
[18:32] <schwuk> heno: Most of the blueprints are prefixed with qa- anyway
[18:32] <schwuk> But we could add uds- or karmic-
[18:33] <mgunes> qa-udskarmic-<blueprint-name>?
[18:33] <davmor2> qa-karmic team and version
[18:33] <schwuk> Should we (I) create them all in advance, or shall we set them up on the day?
[18:34] <heno> I'd prefer in advance and referenced on the wiki page
[18:34] <heno> to reduce confusion
[18:34] <schwuk> heno: then that's what I'll do.
[18:34] <heno> then we just sync wiki->gobby when we start in case people have updated the wiki
[18:35] <heno> schwuk: thanks!
[18:35] <schwuk> Any more suggestions for a prefix, or shall we go with qa-karmic-<blueprintname>
[18:35] <schwuk> Although that will duplicate the qa- bit.
[18:36] <mgunes> right
[18:36] <schwuk> e.g. qa-karmic-qa-extend-apport-coverage
[18:36] <heno> works for me, that will get them grouped all under q
[18:36] <ara> heno, bdmurray: could you change the links under summit.ubuntu.com to the LP blueprints?
[18:36] <ara> (instead of the wiki spec)
[18:36] <ara> it makes it easier to subscribe
[18:36] <heno> schwuk: it does, but that's ok I think
[18:36] <ara> because there are cases where the spec is a 404
[18:36] <schwuk> ara the icon in the corner takes you to hte blueprint
[18:37] <schwuk> ara: all the specs will be there by CoP tomorrow
[18:37] <bdmurray> the naming scheme seems redundant to me fwiw
[18:37] <heno> bdmurray: the two qa's?
[18:37] <ara> schwuk: ok, thanks :)
[18:37] <schwuk> bdmurray: agreed, but easier to c'n'p :)
[18:38] <bdmurray> yeah, I'd rather karmic-qa-yada-yada
[18:38] <heno> would we break everything if we renamed the actual LP entries?
[18:38] <heno> that way we could have an exact  match
[18:38] <schwuk> heno: no - I'd just have to redo links
[18:38] <schwuk> but that's not a huge job
[18:39] <heno> schwuk: can you follow that up
[18:39] <schwuk> heno: sure
[18:39] <heno> then we can have karmic-qa-yada-yada
[18:39] <heno> schwuk: great, thanks
[18:39] <heno> any other questions about UDS?
[18:40] <heno> any other meeting topics?
[18:41] <davmor2> I only have questions about meetings for the next 2 weeks.  Most of you will be fried so will these stop till after uds?
[18:41] <bdmurray> Will there be a hug day the next 2 weeks?
[18:42] <heno> I cannot promise to make it to this meeting next week, but if someone else volunteers to chair it ...
[18:42] <heno> There is a Canonical event starting that day
[18:43] <davmor2> heno: want most people be at all-hands?
[18:43] <heno> so must of us will likely be unavailable
[18:43] <davmor2> won't not want
[18:43] <heno> right
[18:43] <pedro_> bdmurray: not sure, will ask on the bugsquad mailing list if someone wants to organize it since we're going to be at allhands
[18:43] <pedro_> and later uds
[18:43] <mgunes> When are the Canonical people arriving for All Hands?
[18:43] <davmor2> heno: I think it will be better to postpone till after uds then
[18:44] <pedro_> bdmurray: also the next targets are update-manager/notifier and synaptic but I'd like to have mvo involved on that as well, so we might need another target for those weeks
[18:44] <heno> ok, let's do that then
[18:44] <davmor2> so next meeting will be 20090603
[18:46] <heno> right
[18:46] <davmor2> :)
[18:46] <heno> what about hug days
[18:46] <heno> ?
[18:46] <heno> did we decide to postpone those too?
[18:48] <pedro_> heno: I'm going to make a call for help on the bugsquad mailing list, if nobody is interesting on run it i guess we can postpone those
[18:48] <heno> pedro_: sounds good
[18:48] <heno> any other topics?
[18:49] <heno> thanks everyone!
[18:49] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:49.
[18:49] <schwuk> thanks heno
[18:49] <heno> see some of you next week and the week after!
[18:49] <davmor2> thanks
[18:49] <davmor2> yay
[18:49] <fader> :)
[18:50] <mgunes> thanks all
[18:51] <pedro_> thanks you


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