[00:47] <deker> hi all, i'm having some trouble with an old kernel module......i've just upgraded to kernel 5.0
[00:47] <deker> and now my old wifi driver is not working
[00:47] <deker> i've tried removing it with modprobe -r, no luck
[00:47] <deker> says module is still in use
[00:48] <sarnold> how'd you get it to load in the first place?
[00:48] <sarnold> you should have to rebuild for the new kernel.. no?
[00:48] <deker> on my old kernel 4.8
[00:49] <deker> just did modprobe
[00:50] <deker> i was on 4.18.0-25-generic
[00:50] <deker> running software updater put me on 5.0.0-23-generic
[01:07] <deker> it looks like as part of the upgrade, the module was built into the new kernel
[01:07] <deker> i'm looking in /lib/modules/5.0.0-23-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/intersil/p54 and it appears to be there
[01:07] <deker> but the device is not active
[01:10] <sarnold> deker: what module? what device?
[01:11] <deker> it's a Dell Wireless USB card
[01:11] <deker> module is p54usb
[01:11] <deker> i went from kernel <IP_ADDRESS> to 5.0.0-23
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.327116] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.327119] usb 3-2: Product: Dell Wireless 1450 Dual-band (802.11a/b/g) USB 2.0 Adapter
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.327121] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: DELL
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.453833] usb 3-2: reset high-speed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.602668] usb 3-2: Loading firmware file isl3887usb
[01:13] <deker> [ 1090.602887] ieee80211 phy1: p54 detected a LM87 firmware
[01:14] <deker> ok
[01:14] <sarnold> deker: hmm, it sure looks like our kernel configs still build p54usb as a module
[01:15] <deker> agreed, and that's why it seems something changed in the new kernel
[01:15] <deker> because the device just isn't working
[01:18] <sarnold> deker: can you pastebin the dmesg? (dmesg | pastebinit -- then copy the link in here) -- maybe there's something in there
[01:19] <deker> sarnold: sure, happy to
[01:20] <deker> https://pastebin.com/DrzM3QRY
[01:22] <deker> i dunno, maybe the driver is just too old for this new kernel
[01:28] <ZaZaGX> hi
[01:28] <deker> sarnold: any luck?
[01:28] <sarnold> deker: I'm sorry, multitasking fail.. I hadn't made it back around to this channel yet..
[01:29] <deker> no worries, i'm around
[01:29] <sarnold> deker: does that system work well enough to submit bug reports?
[01:30] <deker> yes, i can submit a bug report from it
[01:30] <deker> i'm on it now........got a long ethernet cable stretching across the room for now
[01:31] <sarnold> nice
[01:31] <sarnold> I mean, that's frustrating, but it does mean the bug report should be a lot better :D
[01:31] <deker> yup true
[01:32] <sarnold> deker: if you would please ubuntu-bug linux-image-5.0.0-23-generic  -- I think that's the kernel package that supplied the kernel you're running, right?
[01:32] <deker> it is, yes
[01:33] <deker> ok, sent
[01:35] <deker> sarnold: what if i try and remove the existing driver in there and reinstall it?
[01:35] <deker> modprobe -rf p54usb
[01:35] <deker> modprobe: FATAL: Module p54usb is in use.
[01:36] <deker> ok, maybe now
[01:36] <deker> not*
[01:36] <sarnold> deker: unloading modules is often unsafe, even if the module lets you
[01:36] <sarnold> deker: do you have the bug number handy?
[01:36] <deker> i don't
[01:36] <deker> it just gave me a button to send
[01:37] <sarnold> deker: hmm. did it open a tab in your browser?
[01:37] <deker> it didn't
[01:38] <sarnold> deker: did it prompt for send now, get an url to open later, open the url now, kind of thing?\
[01:39] <deker> just two choices, don't send or send
[01:41] <deker> modinfo p54usb
[01:41] <deker> filename:       /lib/modules/5.0.0-23-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/intersil/p54/p54usb.ko
[01:41] <deker> brb, let me restart
[01:42] <sarnold> nooooooooooo
[01:44] <deker> i'm back
[01:45] <deker> everything seems to indicate the driver is being loaded, but feels like this kernel is too new for it
[01:45] <sarnold> since the bug repoerter thing didn[t quite work could you file a bug here by haqnd? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+filebug
[01:45] <sarnold> man I slightly moved the two halfs of my keyboard and now I can't type sane
[01:46] <deker> i need to register an account?
[01:46] <sarnold> yeah
[01:46] <deker> ok, let me try this in a different way........can i fallback to boot to the old kernel for now?
[01:47] <deker> i don't really get a grub prompt upon bootup
[01:47] <deker> it just seems to load the latest when it boots up
[01:48] <sarnold> deker: holding left shift may get you to a menu; you may have a choice of HWE kernel and non-HWE kernel. select non-HWE
[01:48] <deker> HWE?
[01:48] <deker> what's that?
[01:50] <sarnold> deker: hardware enablement kernel and X11 -- newer kernels to provide more hardware support, etc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[01:50] <deker> ok cool, so i'm going with the non-hwe
[01:50] <deker> ok, let me try left-shift
[01:50] <deker> brb, rebooting
[01:59] <deker> ok i
[02:00] <deker> old kernel is loaded now
[02:00] <deker> and the device is of course working
[02:00] <deker> now how can i make this kernel the default one to load up?
[02:02] <sarnold> deker: if you remove the HWE kernels, this one should be left over
[02:02] <deker> cool, just do an apt-get remove?
[02:02] <sarnold> yeah
[02:05] <deker> ok i'm going to run this: sudo apt-get remove linux-generic-hwe-18.04 linux-headers-generic-hwe-18.04 linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[02:05] <sarnold> looks good to me
[02:05] <deker> thank you
[02:06] <sarnold> (you may need to remove more and more, but if you don't have the correct non-hwe packages to replace it, it might get *very* drastic.. I'm happy to keep saying YES or NO to further questions)
[02:06] <deker> thanks, greatly appreciate it
[02:06] <deker> let me reboot and see if that did the trick
[02:10] <deker> i'm back
[02:10] <deker> and seem to be back on a newer kernel
[02:10] <sarnold> hwe kernels or ..?
[02:10] <deker> 5.0.0-23-generic #24~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 29 16:12:28 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:11] <sarnold> what brought those back. hrmph.
[02:11] <deker> maybe this is a non-HWE version?
[02:11] <deker> and the last command removed just the HWE stuff
[02:11] <deker> initrd.img-4.18.0-25-generic  System.map-5.0.0-23-generic
[02:11] <deker> initrd.img-5.0.0-23-generic   vmlinuz-4.18.0-25-generic
[02:11] <deker> lost+found                    vmlinuz-5.0.0-23-generic
[02:11] <sarnold> those versions correspond to the linux-hwe source package for bionic https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe
[02:12] <deker> yeah, 5.0 files still exist in /booot
[02:12] <sarnold> the 5.0.0 tree does exist in disco: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux -- but those lack the ~18.04.1 versioning
[02:13] <sarnold> (so if your card doesn't work with the bionic hwe kernel, it's not going to work in disco, either, until someone reports the bug and someone fixes it)
[02:13] <deker> odd
[02:15] <deker> i do see some 5.0 traces left
[02:15] <deker> putting together another remove command
[02:16] <deker> sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-5.0.0-23 linux-headers-5.0.0-23-generic linux-modules-5.0.0-23-generic linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-23-generic
[02:16] <sarnold> looks good
[02:17] <MrCrackPot> Aavar good morning i take my hat off to you sir/ma'am. you have far more patience than i. You spent a good hour + helping that smeg mystic. You deserve a medal for that. some people so self entitled dont want to learn but dont want to pay lol
[02:18] <MrCrackPot> You did ubuntu proud haha
[02:18] <deker> rebooting, brb
[02:19] <FaTaL_G> I have an ubuntu machine that was 16.04 running a asus pcie-ac88u (broadcom) and using interfaces & hostapd I ran it as a router AP successfully for over a year. I upgraded to 18.04, now its not working
[02:19] <FaTaL_G> hostapd[18763]: Failed to create interface mon.wlp2s0: -95 (Operation not supported)
[02:24] <deker> alright, i think this is good for now
[02:25] <deker> thanks sarnold for all of your help
[02:25] <deker> that driver may just be too old
[02:26] <sarnold> deker: *please* do file a bugf report about it ;)
[02:27] <sarnold> deker: otherwise devs may never know ..
[02:27] <deker> but it's a 3rd party driver.....dunno if there's anything much they want to or care to do
[02:27] <sarnold> deker: it's a driver shipped in our kernel packages, right?
[02:28] <deker> it's not from my understanding
[02:28] <deker> https://wiki.debian.org/prism54
[02:29] <sarnold> deker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cyb8sTTVnz/ -- this shows a file that I thought was used with your card, in one of our packages..
[02:29] <sarnold> deker: do you have linux-firmware installed?
[02:30] <deker> let me look
[02:30] <sarnold> I'd hope you wouldn't need to grab a binary blob from some random website..
[02:30] <deker> linux-firmware/bionic-updates,bionic-updates,bionic-security,bionic-security,now 1.173.9 all [installed]
[02:33] <sarnold> I wish these things had standardized filenames / devicenames of some sort
[02:33] <deker> rue
[02:33] <deker> true
[02:33] <sarnold> how the heck are people suipposed to figure out which files ar eused for which dfevices
[02:33] <deker> so how can i tell if the p54 driver is inside linux-firmware?
[02:39] <russw> sarnold: machine is functioning well. thanks for asking. Haven't braved the apt upgrade yet (after rolling back to a pre-upgrade zfs snapshot and fsck'ing), but that can wait.
[02:40] <sarnold> russw: woot!
[02:40] <sarnold> russw: my new laptop's got the zfs on root but I haven't tried anything fancy with it yet. I'm still in the process of breaking it.,.
[02:40] <sarnold> deker: ugh. no idea. :(
[02:41] <russw> sarnold: I have a love affair with zfs. just sayin'.
[02:41] <sarnold> russw: uhoh. me too. this could get awkward.
[02:42] <russw> sarnold: there's enough zfs love to go around. :) Such a great file system. Best day ever when Canonical said "screw it, we're including it".
[02:43] <sarnold> russw: yeah; I really didn't want to goof around with dkms for my filesystems..
[02:48] <russw> sarnold: camping time for me... shutting down. Thanks again for the help earlier. Much obliged.
[02:48] <sarnold> russw: have fun!
[02:48] <sarnold> camping.. man that's been a while
[04:02] <FaTaL_G> question.... my ubuntu box is the forward facing firewall appliance. When I do updates and reboot, it seems to always request a new ip. is there a setting I can set to have it not request a new ip? persistent mac or something?
[05:05] <shiftlockboom> Does anyone know if there is a Chinese language IRC channel for  Ubuntu? Or would there be some Chinese speakers here possibly? My friend has started on Ubuntu and she is worried her english may not be sufficient. Thanks.
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> !zh | shiftlockboom
[05:19] <shiftlockboom> thankz
[05:20] <shiftlockboom> thankkz ubottu
[06:08] <jakefb> Hi, I have just upgraded a server to 18.04 but I am having an issue with systemd-modules-load
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> jakefb: come join to #ubuntu-server mate
[06:08] <jakefb> Okay thanks will do
[06:27] <TJ-> 18.04 amd64 server, trying to recover after a power-failure, got an OOB serial console, systemd has got to the "Reached Network is Online" (network-online.target) and stopped without any updates, and cannot find a way to force it to drop to console so I can intervene. Any ideas?
[07:13] <basalt> i got a lot of WARNING: Could not parse desktop file cinnamon-settings-daemon-automount.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary
[07:13] <basalt> Exec=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cinnamon-settings-daemon/csd-cursor does not exists on my system.
[07:14] <basalt> is there an tool to cleanup the autostart?
[07:20] <luna> https://streaming.media.ccc.de/froscon2019/S1#schedule https://www.froscon.de/en/news/today-is-the-day-2/ Linux conference in Germany
[07:24] <Aavar> Are ppas safe?
[07:24] <Aavar> in general...
[07:45] <feodoran> Hi, a question about the systemd and AMD Ryzen 3000 issue: systemd 243 is supposed to bring a patch to be able to boot. does ubuntu 19.04 already include this patch? it only comes with systemd 240, but maybe the patch is backported? alternatively 18.04 has systemd 237, so it should boot. but does the kernel 4.15 support the new cpu architecture?
[07:52] <TJ-> feodoran: you can check the changelog for the latest package, which has a direct link of https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/s/systemd/systemd_240-6ubuntu5.3/changelog
[07:52] <TJ-> feodoran: you can find that from https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco-updates/systemd on the right side
[07:53] <TJ-> feodoran: looks like 240-6ubuntu5.2 of  9th July  carries those fixes
[07:54] <TJ-> feodoran: This fixes AMD Ryzen 3000 series failing to boot (LP: bug #1835809 )
[08:01] <feodoran> TJ-: thx, and how would I check if a certain ubuntu-image uses this package version?
[08:08] <TJ-> feodoran: the package manifest should list the versions of included packages. Which image exactly, I can link you to the correct place to check
[08:08] <feodoran> TJ-: kubu 19.04
[08:09] <feodoran> TJ-: I think I found it
[08:10] <feodoran> It only says "240-6ubuntu5", nothing about ".3" at the end
[08:10] <TJ-> feodoran: looks like the -server ISOs don't have it. Not sure they will either since that requires a respin
[08:10] <TJ-> feodoran: precisely
[08:11] <TJ-> feodoran: this is an interesting challenge since usually, for no-LTS releases, there isn't a 'respin' (up to date rebuild) of the installer images, but in this case maybe there ought to be
[08:12] <feodoran> would installing on a different system and then updating work?
[08:14] <TJ-> feodoran: I've added a question to the bug report, I'd suggest you subscribe to that report so you'll be informed of any responses
[08:14] <feodoran> this should result in the correct version, but I don't know whether there are any issue with installing an OS on a different hardware you are later using it on.
[08:15] <TJ-> feodoran: Yes, that would work... as long as the systemd that boots has the fix
[08:15] <TJ-> feodoran: generally (with the exception of proprietary GPU drivers - nvidia!) the install isn't tied to the hardware - it discovers it as it starts and loads correct drivers
[08:16] <TJ-> feodoran: so a vanilla installation on an alternative (64 bit) system fully updated first and then moved to the AMD 3000 should boot fine
[08:16] <feodoran> TJ-: okay, great. I will try that thank you
[08:18] <TJ-> feodoran: I just noticed comment no 8 in that bug report from the release manager (Adam Conrad) saying they won't rebuild the ISO
[08:19] <feodoran> TJ-: okay, it basically suggest the install+update on some other hardware option
[08:21] <TJ-> feodoran: I have a vague recollection of a kernel command-line option that affects the use of rdrand but need to hunt it out, surprised it wasn't mentioned in the bug report. Maybe it was removed
[08:22] <TJ-> feodoran: aha "nordrand" BUT the notes say "RDRAND and RDSEED are still available to user space applications."
[08:22] <feodoran> about the different system: x86_64 is the important thing, Intel/AMD does not matter?
[08:23] <TJ-> correct
[08:23] <TJ-> the architecture is called AMD since they invented the x86_64 architecture and Intel copied it later
[08:38] <Blankspace> Hi
[08:38] <Blankspace> I am not able to connect to WiFi. Can anyone help me
[08:39] <Blankspace> Someone had told me some command to check hardware and software restrictions
[08:39] <Blankspace> I can't remember
[08:39] <Blankspace> Once I had faced the same issue.
[08:41] <Boyette> i have a problem with mono
[08:41] <Boyette> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:41] <Boyette>  mono-devel : Depends: ca-certificates-mono (= <IP_ADDRESS>9-0xamarin1+ubuntu1804b1) but <IP_ADDRESS>-0xamarin5+ubuntu1804b1 is installed
[08:41] <Boyette> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[08:41] <Boyette> apt fix broken also doesnt work
[08:42] <TJ-> Boyette: those aren't Ubuntu version numbers
[08:43] <Boyette> how so?
[08:43] <TJ-> !info ca-certificates-mono
[08:43] <TJ-> !info ca-certificates-mono disco
[08:44] <luna> TJ-: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/xamarin/
[08:44] <TJ-> Boyette: presumably you've got them from a 3rd party archive so you'd need to check with whoever manages that/those archive/s
[08:44] <luna> i would guess
[08:44] <Boyette> im not aware of that
[08:44] <Boyette> it happend after normal updates
[08:44] <TJ-> Boyette: "apt-cache policy ca-certificates-mono"
[08:47] <Boyette> shttps://pastebin.com/iWPU78r1
[08:47] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/iWPU78r1
[08:48] <TJ-> Boyette: as you see the package comes from a 3rd party repository
[08:49] <Boyette> how can we clean this up?
[08:50] <TJ-> Boyette: determine what mono has broken and repair :)
[08:53] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/ALfjn1x0
[08:57] <Boyette> how to repair?
[09:03] <TJ-> Boyette: there's some kind of Mono failure, you'll need to ask the mono support about those
[09:04] <Boyette> oh
[09:05] <Boyette> can we not just remove mono completely
[09:05] <Boyette> and do you know a channel of mono support?
[09:06] <TJ-> Boyette: I have no idea regarding mono, it's a Window technology grafted onto Linux
[09:07] <Boyette> remove commands also fail
[09:07] <Boyette> for anything regarding this
[09:08] <Blankspace> Hi
[09:08] <Blankspace> My WiFi is disabled
[09:23] <dl4mfo_> 4
[09:32] <sirlark> Hey folks, I'm trying to setup a wifi access point on a NAS like PC. I've got hostapd up and running, and I've got 6 ethernet ports. I've bridged four of the ethernet interfaces, and the wifi interface into br0 using netplan. I've tried setting up dnsmasq to listen on br0 (I've also tried listening by IP address), and I can succesfully authenticate
[09:32] <sirlark>  over wifi, but I can't get an IP address. Also, I don't see anything for dns masq showing up in journalctl output
[09:33] <sirlark> So first question, how can I verify that dnsmasq is actually receiving DHCP requests over the wifi (or at all)?
[09:34] <sirlark> Second question, where are the dnsmasq logs going in a systemd world?
[09:37] <TJ-> sirlark: I'd presume "systemctl status dnsmasq.service" if that is the service you've configured
[09:39] <sirlark> yes, I used 'apt install dnsmasq' and 'systemctl start dnsmasq' to get it started
[09:40] <sirlark> TJ- ^^
[09:45] <TJ-> sirlark: is the service running
[09:45] <TJ-> sirlark: the log would be "journalctl -u dnsmasq.service"
[09:45] <TJ-> sirlark: if the config is bad the service might fail even when you 'start' it
[09:47] <sirlark> TJ- `systemctl status dnsmasq` says it's running
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:24] <thothcastel_> in ubuntu I am trying to keep the history commands across various ssh sessions plus keep them after rebooting the server
[11:25] <thothcastel_> trying this
[11:25] <thothcastel_> http://northernmost.org/blog/flush-bash_history-after-each-command/
[11:25] <thothcastel_> but not working
[11:25] <thothcastel_> anyone familiar with it
[11:25] <thothcastel_> ?
[11:36] <thothcastel_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FcoL7peI/
[11:37] <thy143> hi, i looking for help on an issue i cannot fix.  I created a preeseed file to automate the creation of my LVM patitions using "d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string", everything works, except i get an error during boot "failed to connect to lvmetad". If i install ubuntu and manually config the same patition sturcutre in LVM no issues. Does anyone
[11:37] <thy143> have any suggestions/ideas?
[11:46] <mystic> Hi, does Ubuntu have a 'internet download manager' style program ?
[11:47] <Habbie> mystic, a long time ago i used a browser extension called 'down them all' for that, maybe it still exists
[11:48] <feodoran> does amarok still exists? there is no package available ...
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> !info amarok | feodoran
[11:48] <Habbie> mystic, also an apt search for 'download manager' gives a few hits that look useful; and outside of those, i think transmission (which is usually used for torrents) can also do http
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> feodoran: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[11:49] <mystic> Thanks.  And now this Ubuntu is18 is working well its such a great OS.
[11:49] <OerHeks> feodoran, don't search, ask here first
[11:50] <feodoran> OerHeks: why do you think I did not search? I just did not find an answer
[11:52] <OerHeks> Amarok was a Qt 4 application, All applications that do not use the Qt 5 toolkit are also being removed from Ubuntu (and Debian).
[11:52] <OerHeks> so 19.04 is out of amarok, AFAIK
[11:53] <OerHeks> Someone builded a QT5 version, use this ppa at your own risk https://launchpad.net/~joe-yasi/+archive/ubuntu/amarok-kde5
[11:54] <feodoran> so currently there is no designated replacement?
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> feodoran: clementine as alternate perhaps?
[11:56] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[11:56] <OerHeks> not sure what is standard in kubuntu now..
[11:56] <thothcastel_> in ubuntu I am trying to keep the history commands across various ssh sessions plus keep them after rebooting the server
[11:56] <thothcastel_> anyone familiar with it
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> thothcastel_: perhaps not really related to ubuntu? try ##linux or #openssh ?
[11:57] <thothcastel_> obviously related to ubuntu?
[11:57] <thothcastel_> ubuntu is linux
[11:57] <feodoran> clementine is available, but Qt4 as well ... seems inconsistent
[11:58] <fluitfries> lol are you guys talking about replacements for itunes :P
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> fluitfries: clementine is adviced for a nice integration to syn apple devices
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> *sync
[12:00] <fluitfries> @lotuspsychje i have grabbed Clem and also Nightingale...  thoughts on that?
[12:00] <thothcastel_> lotuspsychje: thanks for the ##linux links
[12:00] <feodoran> why itunes?
[12:00] <thothcastel_> I don't know why but although I haven't ever connected to the ##linux channel
[12:00] <thothcastel_> I am unable to
[12:00] <thothcastel_> it says it is by 'invite only'
[12:00] <mystic> think you have to be registered, i can get in ther efine if im signed into irc
[12:00] <thothcastel_> is there such a channel for question around IRC itself?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> thothcastel_: you might need to !register to join some channels
[12:01] <thothcastel_> mystic: are you able to invite me from there please?
[12:01] <mystic> if i knew how
[12:01] <thothcastel_> ok, I have had this irc account for a long time
[12:01] <thothcastel_> and I happen to have this username registered without the underscore
[12:01] <thothcastel_> but for whatever reason it keeps on adding the _ to my username
[12:02] <thothcastel_> even though I identified myself
[12:02] <mystic> how do i invite?
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> thothcastel_: please focus on ubuntu issues only in this channel
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> thothcastel_: for register help join #freenode please
[12:03] <thothcastel_> lotuspsychje: thanks for the freenode link
[12:03] <fluitfries> lotuspsychje: i have 2 main requirements to replace itunes-> Smart Playlists, and compat with iPhone 5   if you know of anything other than Clementine to look at lmk thanks
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> fluitfries: clementine & banshee for apple sync
[12:05] <murlidhar> hi all
[12:06] <murlidhar> how to bring the old look back ? i mean the window title used to be in the top panel instead of the border of the app. especially when the app was maximised
[12:07] <fluitfries> lotuspsychje: thanks m8
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> murlidhar: start from the beginning please..your ubuntu version? what did you do exactly?
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> fluitfries: welcome
[12:09] <mystic> sounds like maybe you turned off title bar in the settings fluitfries?
[12:09] <murlidhar> lotuspsychje:running the version that was released in april . the old ubuntu distro looked different . the title of an app used to be in the status bar .
[12:10] <EoflaOE> You mean 19.04?
[12:10] <murlidhar> lotuspsychje: also the maximise , minimise and close buttons were in the top status bar even when it was not maximised.
[12:10] <murlidhar> EoflaOE:  yes
[12:11] <OerHeks> murlidhar, if you want to return to unity, install ubuntu-unity-desktop, logout, change DE, and login.
[12:11] <OerHeks> or get used to gnome3
[12:11] <fluitfries> mystic: i think you meant to @ murlidhar
[12:12] <murlidhar> OerHeks:oh. didn't know by default its not running unity anymore.
[12:12] <mystic> Sorry yea..
[12:12] <fluitfries> np
[12:12] <EoflaOE> murlidhar: Starting from 18.04, GNOME is used. Earlier versions used Unity
[12:13] <murlidhar> EoflaOE: oh . i didn't update for a long time . rather i didn't use my desktop for a long time.
[12:14] <EoflaOE> murlidhar: OK. Is Unity installing?
[12:14] <murlidhar> so there are no two ways about getting the title into the status bar / top bar ?
[12:14] <murlidhar> EoflaOE: haven't tried yet but being an old desktop i don't want to run too many things on it .
[12:15] <OerHeks> murlidhar, nope, and the placement of min/max/close cannot be changed in gnome3 either
[12:15] <OerHeks> it is by design
[12:16] <fluitfries> murlidhar: sounds like you should be running xubuntu/lubuntu on that machine
[12:16] <murlidhar> i thought having those buttons in the top bar would maximise / utilise the workable space in the desktop screen
[12:16] <murlidhar> fluitfries: :D probably
[12:17] <EoflaOE> murlidhar: Unite extension might meet your needs, but require x11-utils.
[12:17] <murlidhar> fluitfries: running on intel core2duo processor. think 2gb ram.
[12:17] <murlidhar> EoflaOE: unite extension ? hmmm let me apt-get search for it then
[12:18] <murlidhar> oops apt-search it is
[12:18] <murlidhar> my bad
[12:18] <fluitfries> murlidhar: i might get in trouble for recommending it but linux lite is a nice packaged version of ubuntu i use to save time on old laptops
[12:18] <fluitfries> im sorry its packaged xubuntu
[12:18] <murlidhar> hmmm ok
[12:19] <murlidhar> let me see. at the end of the day all are linux distros so thats ok to recommend stuff that is linux ;)
[12:19] <fluitfries> :P
[12:19] <ioria> murlidhar, give a look at this : https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1517/window-title-in-topbar/
[12:19] <EoflaOE> murlidhar: If you can't search for it using apt, you can either use Software center or go to https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1287/unite
[12:19] <murlidhar> been using ubuntu since feisty fawn version :D
[12:20] <murlidhar> changed a lot since then but then i used to use desktop a lot more than now
[12:20] <murlidhar> EoflaOE: thanks i will check it out
[12:24] <murlidhar> Intel® Core™2 Duo CPU E7500 @ 2.93GHz × 2
[12:24] <murlidhar> ram 2 gb . better if i install xubuntu maybe
[12:34] <murlidhar> ioria: gnome extensions are new to me  . actually just discovered but i find it creepy when it is opened in firefox and not in gnome-epiphipany
[12:35] <murlidhar> wish there was a dedicated app rather than opening in a web browser. that too shell extensions.
[12:35] <lucastamoios> Hello
[12:36] <ioria> murlidhar, epiphany-browser it's still available in disco
[12:37] <murlidhar> ioria: yes and i tried it as well but says shell extension is not found in my desktop
[12:37] <murlidhar> ioria:We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled. See our troubleshooting entry for more information.
[12:39] <EoflaOE> murlidhar: Can you try installing it through software center? You should be able to find by writing "unite extension"
[12:39] <EoflaOE> finding*
[12:39] <ioria> murlidhar, you probably need gnome-shell-extensions and chrome-gnome-shell (for FF)
[12:40] <ioria> murlidhar, and gnome-tweak-tool
[12:41] <murlidhar> ioria: yeah . will try that . thanks a lot.
[12:41] <ioria> ok
[12:41] <murlidhar> EoflaOE: yes . will try
[12:41] <tekisui> hello fellow buntians
[12:41] <tekisui> :)
[12:42] <EoflaOE> tekisui: Welcome. Any questions? Or watching?
[12:42] <tekisui> well am tuning this 2nd hand laptop a bit
[12:42] <tekisui> ome ound issues
[12:43] <tekisui> :S
[12:43] <tekisui> ii just would warn for the 18 version
[12:43] <tekisui> it seems unstable
[12:44] <EoflaOE> tekisui: 18.04 or 18.10? Also, explain in one line so we can better understand.
[12:44] <OerHeks> !fud
[12:45] <tekisui> the lts
[12:45] <OerHeks> tekisui ^
[12:45] <tekisui> the software centre failed
[12:45] <tekisui> so am sticking to 16.04
[12:45] <tekisui> till another lts
[12:45] <EoflaOE> tekisui: What happens when you try to do anything in your Center?
[12:45] <tekisui> it just fails to start
[12:45] <tekisui> had a hassle trying with terminal and all
[12:46] <tekisui> but ubuntu works now and i have sound and wifi :D
[12:46] <tekisui> all i had to do was install tearfree for the amd radeon video card
[12:46] <tekisui> still soundcloud gives some bugs, but i guess this laptop is too old to run it
[12:50] <dlfnm> will eoan have mate 1.22 (or 1.23)?
[12:50] <dlfnm> the version in sid is like 2 years old
[12:53] <B|ack0p> hi
[12:55] <tekisui> hello.
[12:57] <tekisui> https://www.freeonlinegames.com/game/prachka
[12:57] <tekisui> goodday :)
[12:57] <thothcas1el> channel list
[13:36] <gst568923> hy guys, I would like install ubuntu 19.04 from scratch, when I boot ubuntu 19.04 from usb drive and I click on "try ubuntu without install", the distro recognize me correctly two wifi adapter (internal pci and usb). I would like to know if when I boot the distro from usb and I click "install ubuntu directly" (no try ubuntu) the installer will reco
[13:36] <gst568923> gnize me the wifi usb adapter to be able to connect to the SSID and install package updates?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: wich chipset is your wifi adapter?
[13:37] <gst568923> lotuspsychje ath9k_htc
[13:38] <tomreyn> gst568923: usually yes. but not all wireless chipsets are or are fully supported out of the box. just give ita try. if they work (as in you can both connect and transfer data / load a web page) in the "try ubuntu without install" mode, they should also work for the installer.
[13:38] <tomreyn> i'd expect ath9k_htc to work out of the box
[13:40] <ikocevski> Hi, can someone help troubleshoot my Ethernet connection?
[13:41] <tomreyn> !details | ikocevski
[13:41] <ikocevski> 19.04 I can see that network manager says Wired connected but I can't access the internet
[13:42] <tomreyn> ikocevski: do you know what dhcp is?
[13:42] <ikocevski> Autoconfig in my head
[13:42] <ikocevski> When I see that
[13:43] <gst568923> lotuspsychje tomreyn I wanted to understand if I configure the network correctly (SSID connection) with the usb wifi adapter by clicking on "try ubuntu" and once ubuntu is started I click on the desktop: "install ubuntu", the installer will be able to access the network to download the packages or will you ask me to look for the network card and st
[13:43] <gst568923> art a new connection to the ssid?
[13:44] <ikocevski> So, connecting on windows works and Linux doesn't
[13:44] <ikocevski> I had a power outage and now no internet on it
[13:45] <tomreyn> ikocevski: i suggest you just open "nm-connection-editor" and delete the existing network connection profile. then create a new one.
[13:46] <tomreyn> gst568923: you can do it this way, or you can enable the network connection after starting the installer
[13:46] <tomreyn> both should work fine
[13:46] <ikocevski> Didn't work
[13:47] <ikocevski> Still says connected but no internet
[13:48] <ikocevski> Anything else?
[13:48] <gst568923> tomreyn so you're telling me: first I try out if starting the installer directly, the network card is recognized; if not, I try to start "try ubuntu" and from there connect to the network and start the installer. right?
[13:50] <ikocevski> Ping duckduckgo.com 1 packets transmitted 0 received 100% packet loss
[13:50] <ikocevski> Ping Google.com actually works
[13:51] <ikocevski> Wtf is this
[13:52] <ikocevski> Apt update works
[13:52] <ikocevski> Is firefox tripping?
[13:54] <tomreyn> ikocevski: ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:55] <tomreyn> gst568923: yes, this sounds like a good approach to me
[13:55] <ikocevski> Worked fine 3 transmitted 3 received
[13:55] <tomreyn> ikocevski: so you have a resolver issue.
[13:55] <gst568923> tomreyn last question: if even the second attempt fails, will ubuntu install itself anyway without updating the packages?
[13:55] <tomreyn> ikocevski: you can reach ipv4 addresses but not resolve hostnames to ip addresses
[13:56] <ikocevski> Hm
[13:56] <StAugustine_> Hey guys, anyone have any experience troubleshooting Thunderbolt2? See this thread: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1164357/trying-to-troubleshoot-elgato-thunderbolt-2-dock-on-imac-12-2-ubuntu-19-04
[13:56] <ikocevski> Now what
[13:57] <tomreyn> ikocevski: did you modify network or resolver configurations before these issues started occurring?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: do you have access to cable network there?
[13:57] <tomreyn> gst568923: you can install offline, yes
[13:57] <ikocevski> Etc resolv.conf says nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> options edns0
[13:58] <ikocevski> edns0 is red in vim
[13:58] <ikocevski> No, didn't mess with anything before just had a power outage while the computer was on
[13:58] <gst568923> lotuspsychje not really because the router and the desktop are in two different rooms, that's why I wanted to know if the usb adapter wifi was recognized
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: well like tomreyn said, atheros should be automatic recognized, some cases might need a newer firmware..
[13:59] <tomreyn> ikocevski: reboot your router
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: make sure you have backups, and test is your best approach
[14:00] <ikocevski> resolvectl status says no on all settings except DNSSEC NTA
[14:00] <gst568923> lotuspsychje the ubuntu installer recognize the wifi SSID hidden?
[14:01] <gst568923> lotuspsychje or rather say: does it also give me the possibility to connect to the hidden ssid?
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: your wifi ssid is a hidden one?
[14:03] <gst568923> lotuspsychje yes, I wanted to know if at the time of choosing, during the installation phase, the wifi network also gives me the possibility to insert a hidden ssid?
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: maybe your case choose the try ubuntu mode first, make sure you are connected to your hidden ssid first, then start the setup from the live try
[14:06] <tomreyn> or just give things a try, don't spend too much time discussing ;)
[14:06] <ikocevski> Rebooted it doesn't work
[14:06] <gst568923> lotuspsychje yes in case it does not work the first attempt I try as you are telling me. Which I then read that the hidden SSID is easily detectable with a wifi client deauthentication attack. I would like it if this attack also works with clients that use PMF (protected management frame)
[14:08] <tomreyn> ikocevski: which dns servers do you see listed on  systemd-resolve --status
[14:09] <tomreyn> ikocevski: and what did you reboot there?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: dont worry, nobody is gonna attack your live setup..
[14:10] <ikocevski> On enp3s0 current DNS server <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:10] <ikocevski> DNS servers: the same as above and <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:11] <ikocevski> Just turned off and on the router with the hardware button
[14:11] <ikocevski> You said reboot the router
[14:12] <tomreyn> ikocevski: right, thanks for confirming
[14:12] <gst568923> lotuspsychje I wondered only if it makes sense to hide the SSID, given that this type of attack exists to detect it
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> gst568923: lets not discuss that here, focus on ubuntu issues instead
[14:14] <ikocevski> This is taking too long
[14:14] <tomreyn> ikocevski: i assume those dns servers were provided to your computer by your internet service provider via DHCP, which would be fine. but apparently they don't work? you can try   systemd-resolve duckduckgo.com
[14:15] <gst568923> lotuspsychje ok, thanks. i will install ubuntu shortly, if there will be problems i will let you hear in this irc channel
[14:15] <tomreyn> ikocevski: what is taking too long?
[14:15] <ikocevski> Nevermind
[14:16] <McErroneous> Hi , i think this page contains a misleading link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR , the broken/misleading/unfinished link beeing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man/Sandbox#Restoring
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> ikocevski: if you want help from volunteers, please detail your steps
[14:16] <gst568923> bye bye
[14:16] <ikocevski> Okay that shows some IP addresses
[14:16] <tomreyn> ikocevski: you know we're all volunteers here, right?
[14:17] <ikocevski> I go in detail as much as I can on a phone keyboard
[14:17] <tomreyn> ikocevski: so apparently rebooting the router helped
[14:17] <ikocevski> Alright
[14:17] <tomreyn> ikocevski: i assume things are fixed by now
[14:18] <ikocevski> Information acquired via protocol DNS in 3.6ms says besides the IP addresses
[14:18] <tomreyn> ikocevski: does browsing the web work fine now?
[14:18] <ikocevski> Fml
[14:18] <ikocevski> HOW
[14:18] <ikocevski> But why
[14:19] <ikocevski> It works now
[14:19] <ikocevski> But how
[14:19] <tomreyn> !enter
[14:19] <OerHeks> interesting ...
[14:20] <ikocevski> I restarted the router and computer multiple times before asking for help here
[14:20] <tomreyn> the power outage must have caused some issues on your router, which required giving it a kick. this happen.
[14:20] <tomreyn> hmm ok, then i don't know what solved it, and then i'm not certain it's actually solved.
[14:21] <ikocevski> Firefox connects fine
[14:21] <ikocevski> So it's solved
[14:21] <ikocevski> Ah, okay then thank you
[14:21] <tomreyn> for now, yes. it ight happen again, whatever it was..
[14:22] <tomreyn> have a good ride.
[14:22] <ikocevski> Thanks again.. bye
[14:26] <StAugustine> Can anyone help out troubleshooting a Thunderbolt 2 Dock? All pertinent info is at: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1164357/trying-to-troubleshoot-elgato-thunderbolt-2-dock-on-imac-12-2-ubuntu-19-04
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> !info bolt | StAugustine did you try this?
[14:32] <agoodm> hi im running into an odd issue where virt-manager is taking 10 minute or so to open via x forwarding
[14:57] <tomreyn> agoodm: why dont you run it on the client you*re working on?
[15:04] <EmmaT> is it possible to install ubuntu to a usb ? and launch it from various computers?
[15:04] <EmmaT> how about drivers ? won't it use the drivers for the computeer it was first installed on ?
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> EmmaT: drivers are loaded as modules, adapts itself on the system
[15:46] <rapidwave> I've a dilema.  I've tried removing mono completely, purging it, fixing missing...everything leads to it saying dependencies are missing
[15:50] <OerHeks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1104286/mono-broken-after-attempt-to-upgrade-unable-to-use-apt
[15:50] <OerHeks> last post, sudo dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq mono-roslyn mono-devel
[15:50] <brunch> Hi I need to install ubuntu to boot from external drive to use on a lent laptop. Is there any "non-live" ubuntu image I can just dd?
[15:51] <OerHeks> brunch, no
[15:51] <brunch> so the best option would be to just use the live iso and install my tools there?
[15:51] <OerHeks> just boot the iso, and select the exernal drive as trarget, make sure grub is on that target too
[15:52] <brunch> damn, then I'd need an auxiliary drive to boot from for the installation process, right?
[15:52] <OerHeks> usb/dvd, yes
[15:52] <OerHeks> or a memory card
[15:53] <brunch> Well thank you OerHeks, it's best to know "you can't" early :)
[15:53] <OerHeks> brunch, unless grub is already on that machine, then you can idoboot
[15:53] <OerHeks> c/isoboot
[15:53] <brunch> that machine is probably some random windows laptop
[15:53] <OerHeks> oh oke, these are your options then
[15:53] <brunch> my intention is to just skip its hard drive altogether and run from external drive
[15:56] <chandana> hello world
[15:59] <EoflaOE> Welcome chandana.
[16:57] <hortiel> hello
[16:57] <hortiel> libreoffice --writer newfile; this does not open a newfile named with the same name? so how do i do that
[17:03] <alkyone> Does the file exist?
[17:04] <tomreyn> you answered past the 3 minute attention span
[17:04] <alkyone> my bad
[17:04] <tomreyn> obviously!!11 ;)
[17:16] <IsntFunny> Hey everyone, i am trying to get a wifi card working. lshw says it's disabled and ifconfig doesn't show it. What can i do next? Its an Qualcomm Atheros chip
[17:18] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: Does nmcli radio wifi on do the job? Or no? This command usually let me access WiFi on the console.
[17:19] <IsntFunny> nmcli not found
[17:19] <chieta> IsntFunny /usr/bin/nmcli
[17:20] <EoflaOE> You're on Ubuntu Server. Am I right?  I have no ethernet connection and need to set uop wifi to get internet
[17:22] <IsntFunny> gosh, think some more
[17:22] <OerHeks> IsntFunny, are you stupid?
[17:22] <alkyone> Can't you use a cable?
[17:22] <IsntFunny> No.
[17:22] <alkyone> Sorry.
[17:23] <IsntFunny> Its a Qualcomm Atheros AR9287 (168c:002e)
[17:24] <IsntFunny> And again: i only have wifi, i don't have any ethernet connections available in my current situation. sorry alkyone but you didn't know the full situation and i am stressed a bit
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> IsntFunny: can you pastebin your dmesg please
[17:25] <IsntFunny> lotuspsychje not really possible without a network connection
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> IsntFunny: drag it to an usb stick? pastebin to your current irc?
[17:26] <OerHeks> alkyone, lotus, 2 antenna issue.. https://askubuntu.com/a/1036178
[17:27] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: Is your WiFi adapter one antenna or two? Also, is rfkill list say anything about WiFi if it is blocked or not?
[17:28] <IsntFunny> EoflaOE two, rfkill not installed
[17:28] <EoflaOE> Let me look some more. Meanwhile does your adapter have 1 antenna?
[17:29] <IsntFunny> two
[17:30] <EoflaOE> OK. Allow me a few minutes.
[17:33] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: Does the qualcomm adapter use any driver? sudo lshw -C network
[17:37] <agoodm> tomreyn, because the vm box is headless.  Turns out I made a snafu in my firewall scripts and forgot to add rules to allow ipv6 loopback
[17:38] <IsntFunny> EoflaOE not sure... where exactly should i look at in the lshw output?
[17:38] <IsntFunny> it says logical name: wlp3s0
[17:39] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: In the "configuration:" section, you can look for "driver=ath9k". Is it found?
[17:39] <IsntFunny> i tried iwconfig but it says wirless-tools are missing. i guess those are mandatory, right?
[17:39] <IsntFunny> EoflaOE yes, ath9k is there
[17:40] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: Yes. They are mandatory.
[17:41] <IsntFunny> Damn... Okay is it possible to install deb packages by stick? probably complicated with all the dependencies right?
[17:43] <EoflaOE> IsntFunny: Move the deb files to your stick and install them using "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/*.deb" You should mount the stick manually before installing.
[17:45] <EoflaOE> Also, iwconfig only connects to WEP networks. I suggest installing nmcli by downloading every dependency to your stick and installing them. nmcli supports wpa2.
[17:45] <IsntFunny> nmcli is the network-manager right?
[17:46] <EoflaOE> Yes.
[17:46] <IsntFunny> alright, will try my luck, thanks
[17:47] <EoflaOE> You're welcome
[17:47] <IsntFunny> does nmcli support 5G too?
[17:47] <IsntFunny> (5ghz)
[17:48] <EoflaOE> It should. I don't have any network which is 5ghz so can't confirm.
[17:49] <IsntFunny> oh well my wireless card can't do 5ghz anyway.. nevermind
[17:55] <IsntFunny> Got nmcli running but it tells me: Secrets were required but not provided. command: "nmcli device wifi connect "SSID" password "wpa2 passphrase"
[17:58] <EoflaOE> Did you write them in a correct format? And did you put double quotes around SSID, and the password?
[17:59] <IsntFunny> exactly as i wrote it here, yes. with quotes
[18:02] <EoflaOE> Have you turned the WiFi on using "nmcli radio wifi on"?
[18:14] <AppXprt> Hey I'm having trouble mounting an XFS volume? I have xfsprogs and xfsdump installed and even have the xfs module installed, loaded and verified with lsmod
[18:14] <AppXprt> I get unknown filesystem type 'xfs'
[18:14] <AppXprt> I have restarted after installing xfs stuff
[18:16] <EoflaOE> AppXprt: Pastebin the output of "ls proc/filesystems | nc termbin.com 9999"
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> AppXprt: see also: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XFS
[18:16] <hggdh> s/ls/cat/
[18:17] <AppXprt> it has xfs in /proc/filesystems
[18:17] <OerHeks>  xfs_check device
[18:17] <EoflaOE> Thanks hggdh, was on Android but reconnecting using PC.
[18:18] <AppXprt> it's saying it has a realtime subvolume
[18:18] <AppXprt> realtime device init failed
[18:18] <EoflaOE> AppXprt: Have you loaded xfs module? "sudo modprobe xfs"
[18:19] <AppXprt> yes
[18:19] <AppXprt> xfs is loaded
[18:20] <AppXprt> and this is for sure an XFS volume as I see XFSB at very beginning of partition
[18:23] <EoflaOE> AppXprt: You can confirm if the module is loaded by "lsmod | grep xfs".
[18:23] <AppXprt> I guess you didnt read where I said XFS was loaded like 3 times
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> AppXprt: easy, he's trying to help you
[18:25] <lalitmee> Hey Guys, I am having a little bit wierd problem in Lubuntu 18.04, when I try to close any window by Alt + F4, sometimes window closes but all of the keys doesn't work in the file system and sometimes the Alt + F4 keys doesn't work to close the window.
[18:27] <tomreyn> AppXprt: be sure to mount both the actual xfs file system and its realtime subvolme
[18:27] <AppXprt> yea but how do you do that
[18:27] <tomreyn> mount -t xfs -o rtdev=/dev/sdXN /dev/sdXO /xfs
[18:27] <tomreyn> sdXN is the partition of the RT subvolume
[18:27] <tomreyn> see also xfs(5)
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: works here on my 18.04 on gnome
[18:30] <AppXprt> cant read superblock on /dev/sdb2 (XFS partition) using suspected rtdev=/dev/sdb3 and /dev/sdb4 (only other partitions besides swap)
[18:30] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: maybe you could try a journalctl -f and start a program from terminal, then try to close with alt f4, see if you can catch errors
[18:31] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: journalctl -f, what it will do?
[18:31] <tomreyn> AppXprt: maybe it was stored on a different storage?
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: its kind of a live tail or journal errors, 'maybe' you can see relevant errors there
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> *of
[18:32] <AppXprt> Hmm maybe but when I string a dump of the partition it has files and data
[18:32] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: let me try
[18:33] <tomreyn> AppXprt: which ubuntu and kernel version are you running there now, and which was this file system properly used on previously?
[18:34] <AppXprt> partition is on an embedded device and I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 on 4.15.0-55-generic
[18:34] <AppXprt> well the hdd is from an embedded device
[18:34] <AppXprt> I can get the mount command to almost work but then bitches about not having my mount point target location in /etc/fstab oO
[18:35] <AppXprt> like /media/username/xfs: can't find in /etc/fstab
[18:35] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: I tried opening vscode from terminal and it got open and then closing by Alt + f4, it also worked. But I am facing this issue with my video player that is Lubuntu's default video player
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: so its only the videoplayer that doesnt close, or other programs aswell?
[18:37] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: I think its the problem with only video player.. Just now I tried with some other programs and all of them worked
[18:37] <tomreyn> AppXprt: run with sudo
[18:37] <AppXprt> lol yea I always do with mount
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: ok, thats very weird indeed
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: remind me lubuntu's default videoplayer again?
[18:38] <tomreyn> AppXprt: you may also need a newer kernel (!hwe) since rtdev is somewhat new
[18:38] <AppXprt> 4.15 isn't new enough?
[18:39] <tomreyn> i do not know, i'm guessing based on https://lwn.net/Articles/747633/ and its and Ubuntu 18.04's publication date
[18:39] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: GNOME Mpv
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: and did it work before on your videplayer?
[18:40] <AppXprt> doing a dist-upgrade
[18:40] <tomreyn> AppXprt: xfs_info for more info on the data partition
[18:40] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> hmm ok tnx
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: a reboot doesnt fix this?
[18:41] <tomreyn> AppXprt: installing the latest pending updates is certainly a good plan. but this wont raise the kernel version
[18:41] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: I think the problem is only when the video player is in full screen
[18:41] <AppXprt> xfs_info gives: /dev/sdb2 is not mounted XFS filesystem
[18:41] <tomreyn> (other than patch level)
[18:41] <AppXprt> yea I already did an upgrade and dist-upgrade, I guess I have to reinstall to bring kernel up?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: ah, that sounds like fullscreen is overriding the F-key close
[18:41] <tomreyn> ah right xfs_info only works once mounted, sorry
[18:42] <tomreyn> !HWE | AppXprt
[18:42] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, its only in full screen. I just tried it worked but after that movement to other files stopped working by left and right buttons
[18:42] <AppXprt> I have an ubuntu with 4.19
[18:42] <AppXprt> err 4.18
[18:42] <tomreyn> grep CONFIG_XFS_RT /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: what i 'think' is you need to exit full-screen first to be able to close...but not sure
[18:44] <AppXprt> ok doing hwe update
[18:44] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje: but earlier in my old system with same Lubuntu version this problem wasn't there. I don't know its with this only
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: just tested on vlc here, and i can exit it in full-screen..
[18:45] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, thats why I just installed vlc
[18:45] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, actually I read somewhere that vlc is not good for your operating system? Is it? Do you know something like that?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: holdon, let me install mpv
[18:45] <AppXprt> 5.0.0-23.24~18.04.1
[18:46] <AppXprt> rebooting that machine on new kernel
[18:46] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, you are also using Lubuntu?
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: i use vlc & smplayer, never had issues
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: no, ubuntu-desktop
[18:46] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, then I think I will also use VLC now
[18:47] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, have you used Linux Mint?
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: we cant support mint here, only vanilla ubuntu flavours
[18:47] <AppXprt> whoops xorg crash, but I can still work in tty's
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: just tested gnome mpv, i can close it with alt f4 in fullscreen
[18:47] <AppXprt> oh wait, it came up
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: could you try to create a new user please, and see if you can close it there?
[18:49] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, okk no problem. I have installed vlc and I will use it now and it is working properly.
[18:50] <AppXprt> hmm can't read superblock on /dev/sdb2
[18:53] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, actually closing is working but keyboard keys are not working after closing the video player from full screen. I am not able to move to next and previous video by using left and right keys
[18:53] <ioria> AppXprt, run a check on it
[18:54] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, no problem. thank you so much for help. I installed vlc. I will use it.
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> ok
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: i found this, but i also tested on 18.04 and works for me https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mpv/+bug/1720188
[19:08] <lalitmee> lotuspsychje, can you help me in solving this error. Actually I am using zsh in my terminal and I use autojump to jump directly to directories. I don't what is this error but whenever I open a terminal or a new Tab it gives me the error. I have attached the gist https://gist.github.com/lalitmee/87eb32fa474836fff4a42f02173baf75
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lalitmee: sorry zsh is not my expertise, maybe someone else can help with that
[19:10] <tomreyn> ask in #zsh ?
[19:11] <lalitmee> tomreyn, oh yeah. thanks
[19:11] <tomreyn> and certainly provide the code, not just the error message
[19:15] <ciby> ok so a while back i came here because i had a problem with my screen resolution, either the screen is zoomed in or wont let me change to a higher resolution... the problem is back again. this is my first time starting ubuntu with this new gpu i got, is that the problem
[19:16] <tomreyn> we might be able to tell you if you tell us more about your new gpu
[19:16] <ciby> its an rtx 2070
[19:16] <tomreyn> ...and your ubuntu version and kernel
[19:17] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";)
[19:18] <ciby> ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
[19:18] <EoflaOE> ciby: And what was your old GPU brand? Nvidia or AMD?
[19:18] <ciby> nvidia
[19:19] <tomreyn> which nvidia model did you have then?
[19:19] <ciby> gtx 1050 ti
[19:19] <tomreyn> start by installing the pending ubuntu updates
[19:20] <ciby> does "check for updates" in settings do this
[19:20] <tomreyn> yes it should
[19:20] <ciby> okay
[19:21] <ciby> says its up to date
[19:21] <coz_> dist upgrade
[19:21] <tomreyn> hmm can you do it on a terminal?
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | ciby
[19:22] <ciby> ill see if i can
[19:22] <ioria> ciby, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:23] <OerHeks> does that rtx 2070 have HDMI and DP ?
[19:23] <ciby> yes, im using DP
[19:23] <OerHeks> oke :-)
[19:24] <ciby> before i do anything, why does one command just say "upgrade" but another 'full-upgrade", which one am i doing
[19:25] <ioria> kis
[19:25] <ciby> does that stand for something
[19:25] <OerHeks> standard i use dist-upgrade, to catch all packages.
[19:25] <EoflaOE> full-upgrade: It fully upgrades all of the packages to their latest versions
[19:25] <OerHeks> dist/full, the later
[19:26] <ciby> so ill do that one?
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> ciby: did we not already help you laset time, to get latest nvidia drivers?
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> *last
[19:28] <ciby> yeah so i dont know whats up here
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> ciby: what does your nvidia-smi say?
[19:29] <ciby> i just did the command.. also whats nvidia-smi
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> ciby: to see your current driver version
[19:29] <ciby> how do i check it
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> ciby: nvidia-smi
[19:30] <ciby> in terminal?
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> ciby: yes
[19:31] <ciby> "nvidia-smi has failed because it couldnt communicate with the nvidia driver. make sure the latest nvidia driver is installed and running"
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> ciby: aha, ubuntu-drivers list then?
[19:32] <ciby> i hope this is just because its a new gpu and i need to update again for that
[19:33] <ciby> entered "ubuntu-drivers" in terminal, now what
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> ciby: ubuntu-drivers list
[19:33] <ciby> oops
[19:34] <ciby> nvidia-driver-430
[19:34] <ciby> i hope that isnt the same one as last time
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> ciby: ok, sudo apt install nvidia-driver-430 and reboot after install
[19:36] <ciby> its saying something about some packages not being installed
[19:36] <ciby> think ill need that pastebin thing for this one
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> ciby: pastebin yes
[19:37] <ciby> but it was like a part of this website
[19:37] <ciby> what was it again
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> ciby: you can choose, pastebin or paste ubuntu
[19:38] <ciby> paste ubuntu
[19:40] <ciby> paste.ubuntu.com/p/mYH6DMGYKJ
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> ciby: did you add external ppa's of any kind?
[19:42] <ciby> idk what those are
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> ciby: can we see the pastebin output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:46] <CheetahPixie> Evening, folks.
[19:46] <ciby> its pretty long... do you want the whole thing
[19:46] <CheetahPixie> I was wondering how I go about enabling case-insensitivity on my Ubuntu system.
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> ciby: yes, in a pastebin plz
[19:46] <CheetahPixie> I see no guides as to how.
[19:47] <CheetahPixie> So... how do I?
[19:47] <CheetahPixie> I read something about a casefold mount option.
[19:47] <CheetahPixie> Trying to throw that at mount returns the bad option error.
[19:48] <OerHeks>  case-insensitivit, what do you mean with that?
[19:48] <CheetahPixie> A case insensitive filesystem.
[19:48] <CheetahPixie> Well, not in its entirety.
[19:48] <CheetahPixie> I only need it for certain directories to try to solve Proton issues.
[19:48] <AppXprt> Hmmm I can mount this xfs and explore the FS Read Only with sudo mount -t xfs -o ro,norecovery,rtdev=/dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb2 /media/username/xfs
[19:48] <AppXprt> but I can't remount to RW?
[19:49] <ciby> paste.ubuntu.com/p/8WhHxJp57V/
[19:49] <bprompt> CheetahPixie:   I don't think you can on an ext2/3/4 filesystem, is part of the filesystem itself from what I know
[19:49] <OerHeks> CheetahPixie, oh oke, tab completion can be set with "set completion-ignore-case on"  https://www.howtogeek.com/267061/how-to-ignore-case-when-using-tab-completion-in-the-linux-terminal/
[19:49] <OerHeks> CheetahPixie, i think you want systemwide, so /etc/.inputrc
[19:50] <OerHeks> this should be an option in gnome-tweak-tool :-D
[19:51] <CheetahPixie> ...I did not mean tab completion.
[19:51] <CheetahPixie> I meant file system.
[19:51] <AppXprt> nvm got it
[19:51] <CheetahPixie> bprompt recent changes in 5.2 should add the casefold option to mount.
[19:51] <CheetahPixie> This allows you to +F a directory to make its accesses case insensitive.
[19:52] <CheetahPixie> OerHeks I said Proton, not Bash.
[19:52] <OerHeks> oh, not sure that can be done.
[19:52] <CheetahPixie> Again
[19:52] <CheetahPixie> see what I wrote about the casefold mount option.
[19:53] <OerHeks> CheetahPixie, interesting, "CheetahPixie> I read something about a casefold mount option.
 Trying to throw that at mount returns the bad option error. "  but you did not provide that url
[19:53] <noln> CheetahPixie, ciopfs
[19:54] <tomreyn> ciby: this looks fine. so can you install nvidia-driver-430 now?
[19:54] <CheetahPixie> noln Useless to me. I need this for Proton, which means I can't really modify existing wineprefixes that Steam hands out.
[19:55] <OerHeks> blup
[19:55] <ciby> i already tried but it looked like something went wrong
[19:56] <CheetahPixie> OerHeks http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/ext4.5.html
[19:56] <tomreyn> ciby: that's after installing all those pending updates you just installed?
[19:56] <CheetahPixie> Literally the manpage for ext4.
[19:56] <ciby> yes
[19:57] <tomreyn> ciby: please show the command you ran (to install nvidia-driver-430) and the output it produced then.
[19:58] <ciby> see paste.ubuntu.com/p/mYH6DMGYKJ
[19:58] <ciby> that was AFTER i did the update commands
[19:59] <CheetahPixie> I suggest you apt search for the missing packages.
[19:59] <CheetahPixie> Or perhaps give us the sources.list.
[19:59] <tomreyn> so it's still the same output, i see. then run: sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver-430 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-430=430.26-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> libnvidia-cfg1-430=430.26-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) but it
[20:00] <tomreyn> ciby: ^
[20:00] <tomreyn> ignore "but it"
[20:00] <CheetahPixie> I get the feeling that this is missing sources.
[20:00] <ciby> hold up a minute, im looking at sources.list
[20:01] <ciby> in "additional drivers" theres two options
[20:01] <tomreyn> ciby: here's the proper command: sudo apt-get install nvidia-driver-430 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-430=430.26-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> libnvidia-cfg1-430=430.26-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:01] <tomreyn> go on
[20:02] <ciby> one is "using nvidia driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-430 (proprietary, tested)"
[20:02] <ciby> this one is not checked out
[20:02] <ciby> the other one that IS checked is
[20:03] <ciby> "using X.org X server"
[20:03] <tomreyn> you can just upload a screenshot to imgur.com - or list the same uotput using the command line interfaces, ubuntu-drivers
[20:03] <tomreyn> *interfacE
[20:04] <ciby> eh ill just see what happens when i use your command
[20:08] <ciby> its done doing its stuff, what do i do now
[20:09] <tomreyn> any warnings or errors there?
[20:10] <tomreyn> if not, just reboot. if the system doesn't come up fine, boot with !nomodeset or !recovery
[20:10] <tomreyn> !nomodeset
[20:10] <tomreyn> !recovery
[20:10] <tomreyn> actually just recovery is fine, it does nomodeset also
[20:11] <ciby> warning: the home dir /nonexistent you specified cant be accessed: no such file or directory
[20:11] <tomreyn> when recovery drops yoou to a shell, just type "exit" or ctrl-d
[20:12] <tomreyn> ciby: you'll need to post the full output due to the warnings
[20:13] <ciby> oh man
[20:13] <ciby> okay
[20:13] <tomreyn> life can by tough if you chose to buy nvidia
[20:16] <ciby> paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZBBVDhrbm/
[20:18] <TJ-> ciby: the /nonexistent warning can be safely ignored. The nvidia package .postinst script is creating a system user to run its processes under, which won't have a $HOME, so is using that as a placeholder in the command
[20:18] <ciby> oh
[20:19] <ciby> am i restarting the computer now
[20:23] <ciby> ill go ahead and do that
[20:24] <tomreyn> still looks like a packaging bug if it prints warnings about an expected situation
[20:25] <tomreyn> but certainly nothing critical here, right.
[20:28] <ciby> screen resolution is back to normal thanks
[20:42] <OerHeks> ciby, have fun!
[21:19] <B|ack0p> hi
[21:43] <B|ack0p> is there /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? if there is i cant find such file..
[21:43] <B|ack0p> by default?
[21:44] <TJ-> B|ack0p: not unless you create it, Xorg config is mostly automatic although there may be snippets in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[21:44] <B|ack0p> i installed some graphics drivers and in explanation it says me to edit xorg.conf but there is no such file
[21:45] <B|ack0p> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sfjXwJdhBD/
[21:46] <B|ack0p> i dont understand how to apply this setup: # set up the xorg.conf file.
[21:46] <B|ack0p> aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:48] <TJ-> B|ack0p: generally you can add that fragment as a file of its own, e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/fglrx.conf
[21:50] <B|ack0p> TJ-: how can i add? there is no such file
[21:51] <TJ-> B|ack0p:  as I said, you *create* it
[21:52] <B|ack0p> ok
[21:55] <B|ack0p> i created xorg.conf with nano , and then pasted Section parts
[21:55] <B|ack0p> in it
[21:56] <B|ack0p> this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C62bs7CjK4/
[21:57] <Bashing-om> blazeme8: -Driver "fglrx"- has been depreciated for a few years now - What is it that you are trying to do ?
[21:58] <Bashing-om> blazeme8: Opps ;; sorry for that bad highlight. B|ack0p  ^^ .
[21:59] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: i have an old ThinkPad but having issues with ubuntu 18.04-64bit
[22:00] <B|ack0p> looks like graphics issue but not sure..
[22:04] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: maybe graphic's driver issue: what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[22:05] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: FYI the AMD drivers are now in the kernel,
[22:10] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: i reported bug about my issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1839353
[22:11] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: "sudo lshw -C display" shows: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VGkGPbc7gv/
[22:16] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: "configuration: driver=radeon" The driver is loaded .. for your dispaly effects - if you create a new user account - is the desktop good for the added user ?
[22:16] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: never tried adding user
[22:17] <B|ack0p> did u read bug report*
[22:17] <B|ack0p> ?
[22:18] <Bashing-om> blazeme8: Yup I read the report - still - isolate to a config issue in your present account - if the desktop is good in that added user's account then there is a config issue in "your" account.
[22:21] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: let me create another user then
[22:22] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: i created new user.
[22:23] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: L) fastest and easyest way to start the troubleshooting .. be aware however I do not run Gnome as my DE and I may not be of much further help.
[22:23] <B|ack0p> by the way i installed unity-desktop, i dont see any corruption on unity but i am having other issues.. it just doesnt feel stable
[22:23] <B|ack0p> i like to stick to original as ubuntu comes with gnome now
[22:24] <CheetahPixie> OerHeks Dug up some extra info.
[22:24] <B|ack0p> let me restart and come with new user ok?
[22:24] <B|ack0p> brb
[22:24] <CheetahPixie> To support casefolding on my Disco install, I need a 5.2 kernel first of all (as I knew before), but I also appear to need a newer e2fsprogs package out of the Eoan repos.
[22:25] <CheetahPixie> 1.44.6 does not have casefolding, but 1.45.2 does.
[22:25] <CheetahPixie> And 1.45.2 is indeed what is currently bundled in Eoan.
[22:26] <Bashing-om> CheetahPixie: I have 19.10 installed in a test bed .. solid as a rock so far . maybe consider installeing Eoan ?
[22:26] <OerHeks> oke, so the feature is so new, i had not read about it too..
[22:28] <TJ-> casefolding was introduced to ext4 in v5.1rc3
[22:29] <B|ack0p> back
[22:30] <OerHeks> TJ-, info: CheetahPixie  needs this for Proton, which means I can't really modify existing wineprefixes that Steam hands out
[22:31] <TJ-> what is Proton?
[22:32] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: no difference
[22:32] <B|ack0p> i couldnt get login with new user
[22:32] <B|ack0p> even i type password it kept saying invalid password
[22:32] <OerHeks> steam play https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/
[22:33] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: Password: check that caps and num lock are not active for the keyboard :) Or active as required !
[22:33] <B|ack0p> maybe
[22:33] <B|ack0p> let me try again
[22:33] <B|ack0p> brb
[22:36] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: ok now switched to new user
[22:36] <B|ack0p> and no desktop corruption
[22:36] <B|ack0p> interesting
[22:37] <B|ack0p> but some other issues still exist
[22:38] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: That ^ confirms is a config issue in "your" account. But I have no experience with Gnome to advise where to look :(
[22:38] <TJ-> $HOME/.xsession-errors ?
[22:39] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: but it has issues since fresh install today..
[22:39] <B|ack0p> not edited config
[22:39] <B|ack0p> i will try something.. brb
[22:42] <B|ack0p> how can i get back default gnome lock screen? it seems after installing unity desktop it is gone..
[22:47] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: wrong alarm :( it doesnt work with new user either.. previously i forgot to change desktop to default from unity .. unity is fine but issues are with gnome
[22:48] <B|ack0p> i mean with unity i dont have corruption but gnome..
[22:48] <OerHeks> i am surprised that ATI x1300 still works
[22:48] <CheetahPixie> Bashing-om Would if I wasn't questing for 30 days of uptime right now. Well, perhaps 31/32 days...
[22:48] <B|ack0p> OerHeks: yes at least it works but not properly..
[22:49] <OerHeks> it is good for 2d, not even youtube
[22:50] <B|ack0p> youtube works, netflix works, other videos works..
[22:50] <B|ack0p> just gnome doesnt
[22:50] <B|ack0p> i even play games on winxp
[22:50] <CheetahPixie> TJ- It's a Wine branch/superset offered by Valve for their Steam Play compatibility feature to run Windows games on non-Windows platforms.
[22:50] <B|ack0p> i sometimes regret not buying the model with Intel GMA.. they say Intel works better
[22:50] <CheetahPixie> It also somewhat follows Wine's own versioning scheme.
[22:51] <B|ack0p> i thought ATI is better than Intel
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> Proton 4.11, for instance, is based on Wine 4.11. Proton 4.2, Wine 4.2...
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> With an extra dot for Proton patches.
[22:51] <B|ack0p> but maybe i can replace motherboard with other 2nd hand thinkpad
[22:51] <CheetahPixie> B|ack0p You might be confusing AMD and ATI here. Terascale != GCN.
[22:51] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: what?
[22:52] <B|ack0p> ATI is brand of AMD as i know?
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> AMD bought ATI.
[22:52] <B|ack0p> yes i know
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> But this happened so far back that, if you have an ATI branded GPU, it is not the GCN architecture which was made/pushed out under AMD leadership, and after ATI products started to be badged under AMD.
[22:52] <B|ack0p> OerHeks: is my issue hopeless?
[22:52] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: NO - AMD bought out ATI years ago .. and completly changed things :)
[22:52] <CheetahPixie> Which means you most likely have Terascale or earlier.
[22:53] <CheetahPixie> Which is... not exactly supported today in Ubuntu.
[22:53] <CheetahPixie> For something this old, I would suggest Debian instead.
[22:53] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: how many years ago? hope before 2006 :p
[22:53] <CheetahPixie> Nope.
[22:53] <B|ack0p> but it seems not helping my issue
[22:53] <B|ack0p> so what can i do?
[22:53] <CheetahPixie> It would explain why your hardware is broken on GNOME, this being a lack of support.
[22:54] <CheetahPixie> Did you try a different desktop?
[22:54] <B|ack0p> lenovo bought thinkpads, amd bought ati ..
[22:54] <B|ack0p> i have ibm model with ati
[22:54] <CheetahPixie> Yes. This is very old.
[22:54] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: yes unity working better but slower
[22:54] <B|ack0p> and some issues
[22:54] <CheetahPixie> Your only real chance of getting good drivers for that stuff these days is by switching over to Debian.
[22:54] <B|ack0p> if it was Intel GMA was it better?
[22:54] <CheetahPixie> And the unstable branch thereof.
[22:55] <CheetahPixie> Intel's own integrated GPUs have for a while been *relatively* the same, enough so to be covered by one driver.
[22:55] <B|ack0p> Intel GMA 950 vs ATI mobility radeon x1300
[22:55] <CheetahPixie> This driver recently got an upgrade, namely SNA, which speeds 2D things up a metric crapton, and makes them sorta semi usable for Youtube in my own experience.
[22:55] <B|ack0p> or 945. not sure
[22:56] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: but i can watch HD youtube videos?
[22:56] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: Were me with nothing to loose - I would start all over from a new fresh clean ( verified md5sum) install. I did run that X1300 driver for some time - I now have a new(er) nvidia card that runs circles over that ATI card !
[22:56] <CheetahPixie> You won't be able to watch *anything* approaching HD on either.
[22:56] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: this is the desktop now: https://i.postimg.cc/SNb5LbMP/Screenshot-from-2019-08-11-01-49-18.png
[22:56] <OerHeks> Lenovo ThinkPad T60 screen resolution 1400 x 1050 ..
[22:57] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: trying is free
[22:57] <CheetahPixie> There's also that.
[22:57] <CheetahPixie> Trying is free, but if your screen doesn't even do HD... what's the use?
[22:57] <B|ack0p> OerHeks: not mine. mine is standart 1024x768
[22:57] <CheetahPixie> Well, the use is cleaner video due to higher bandwidth limits on higher resolutions
[22:57] <OerHeks> oh.. yeah, x1300
[22:57] <CheetahPixie> but your hardware most likely does not have even close to the grunt to actually decode that resolution.
[22:58] <OerHeks> boat anchor, coaster, doorstopper
[22:58] <B|ack0p> i opened 1080p video on youtube.. playing but not actually 1080p for me ofcourse
[22:59] <CheetahPixie> And if you can *do* 1080p on that screen, and it isn't hiccupping to kingdom come, then you're good at least for that.
[22:59] <CheetahPixie> I would also suggest h264ify if running Chrome.
[22:59] <OerHeks> slideshow
[22:59] <CheetahPixie> Means you'd get properly accelerated video.
[22:59] <CheetahPixie> >slideshow
[22:59] <CheetahPixie> to be expected, except at that point you may as well ask kdenlive to export to .pptx.
[23:00] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: https://i.postimg.cc/9QgHYNVq/Screenshot-from-2019-08-11-02-00-02.png
[23:00] <CheetahPixie> Sure, but how smooth is it?
[23:01] <B|ack0p> no lagging.. heating a bit but not lagging
[23:01] <B|ack0p> very very smooth
[23:01] <CheetahPixie> No dropped frames?
[23:01] <CheetahPixie> Interesting.
[23:01] <B|ack0p> nope
[23:01] <CheetahPixie> Hm.
[23:01] <CheetahPixie> I wonder what glxinfo shows...
[23:02] <B|ack0p> that s why i insist about desktop issues..
[23:02] <B|ack0p> i dont still beleive ATI x1300 that bad..
[23:02] <B|ack0p> i read some reviews comparing Intel GMA and ATI shows much better with 3D support
[23:02] <CheetahPixie> It is.
[23:02] <CheetahPixie> With 3D support.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> It is a faster chip overall than Intel's own integrated stuff.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> But these days? It's still bad.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> Anyway.
[23:03] <B|ack0p> also this laptop is sold about 3k USD when it first released
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> Yes, and?
[23:03] <B|ack0p> it was great laptop
[23:03] <B|ack0p> T60
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> And?
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> Doesn't mean it's great now.
[23:03] <B|ack0p> and what?
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> The fact it sold for 3K new means nothing.
[23:03] <B|ack0p> not now but it is still hard as rock and usable
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> The fact that it *was* great means nothing.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> It's usable, yes.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> But by today's standards, it's slow.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> I can use a Pentium 3 just fine.
[23:03] <CheetahPixie> But it's slow.
[23:03] <B|ack0p> i upgraded CPU to c2d with 64bit support
[23:04] <B|ack0p> but somehow ubuntu 64bit doesnt work
[23:04] <B|ack0p> i beleive other retros may work
[23:04] <CheetahPixie> Okay.
[23:04] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: this is not slow beleive me
[23:04] <CheetahPixie> Is the laptop UEFI capable?
[23:04] <CheetahPixie> Oh, it is slow. Believe you me.
[23:04] <B|ack0p> just having awkward issues..
[23:04] <CheetahPixie> Awkward issues mostly relating to age, I would guess.
[23:04] <B|ack0p> it s linux not windows
[23:04] <CheetahPixie> And?
[23:05] <CheetahPixie> Linux is not a literal savior.
[23:05] <B|ack0p> linux always smooth comparing windows
[23:05] <B|ack0p> and it is fast
[23:05] <B|ack0p> i feel the difference now
[23:05] <B|ack0p> it s as fast as my other x230 laptop with i5
[23:05] <CheetahPixie> It is always smooth, but the fact your hardware is so old that it is **no longer supported by Ubuntu proper** should give you a clue or two about its age actually being a potential factor for your issues.
[23:05] <CheetahPixie> And no, it's not "as fast".
[23:05] <CheetahPixie> It's much slower, if actual work is being done.
[23:06] <B|ack0p> i am not doing 3d modelling right now
[23:06] <B|ack0p> i want desktop works properly
[23:06] <CheetahPixie> Then your only real option is newer hardware, or not using Gnome.
[23:06] <B|ack0p> and i insist on ubuntu 64bit not other distro :/
[23:06] <CheetahPixie> Then you're stuck with what you have.
[23:06] <CheetahPixie> But out of sheer curiosity
[23:06] <CheetahPixie> pastebin the result of this command: glxinfo | head -n 350
[23:06] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: Another thought - Trying to cram 7 pounds of sugar in a 5 pound sack ? How much ram is on-board ? as ubuntu needs 4 Gigs for a good experience.
[23:06] <B|ack0p> i guess ubuntu following trend also..
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> Following what trend?
[23:07] <B|ack0p> 4gigs wow
[23:07] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: fancy modern trend
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> "fancy modern trend", as in?
[23:07] <B|ack0p> 2gb iso with a lot of needs
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> And?
[23:07] <B|ack0p> becoming heavy OS
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> No?
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> Ubuntu is built for modern systems.
[23:07] <B|ack0p> yes
[23:07] <CheetahPixie> I've been telling you to go for Debian for a while now.
[23:08] <CheetahPixie> But you insist on running distributions that assume the hardware that they run on is modern, and not 10+ years old.
[23:08] <B|ack0p> i dont want but i will try that
[23:08] <CheetahPixie> You want to run hardware this old, you want to run distros specifically made for hardware this old.
[23:08] <CheetahPixie> Of which the Ubuntu family is *not* one of.
[23:08] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: i beleive there is simple solution for that.. but nobody bothering since it is 10+ yrs laptop
[23:08] <CheetahPixie> The simple solution is switch distributions.
[23:08] <CheetahPixie> It's not that we don't bother because the hardware is old.
[23:09] <jeremy31> Or upgrade video card
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> I in fact *do* bother to do this stuff myself.
[23:09] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: i put 4gb ram but chipset limits max 3gb
[23:09] <B|ack0p> jeremy31: i wish but it is onboard
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> That's not the chipset's fault.
[23:09] <B|ack0p> they say so not an expert
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> They who?
[23:09] <B|ack0p> lenovo
[23:09] <CheetahPixie> Yeah. I can tell you just from what I know about how 32 bit works as a whole that that is indeed not the case.
[23:10] <CheetahPixie> Part of the 2³² address space used by 32 bit systems is occupied by system ancillaries.
[23:10] <CheetahPixie> This is things like the GPU.
[23:10] <B|ack0p> but i upgraded to 64bit cpu
[23:10] <CheetahPixie> You're still running a 32 bit system.
[23:10] <B|ack0p> how?
[23:10] <B|ack0p> i installed 64bit linux
[23:10] <B|ack0p> ubuntu
[23:10] <CheetahPixie> OS != processor.
[23:11] <CheetahPixie> You said you couldn't install 64 bit?
[23:11] <B|ack0p> yes T7200 c2d is 64bit
[23:11] <B|ack0p> i didnt say that
[23:11] <CheetahPixie> You did.
[23:11] <B|ack0p> nope
[23:11] <CheetahPixie> Also, I'm still waiting on the glxinfo pastebin.
[23:11] <B|ack0p> i said i upgraded to 64bit cpu
[23:11] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: what s the command to get it?
[23:12] <CheetahPixie> glxinfo | head -n 350
[23:12] <B|ack0p> ok
[23:13] <CheetahPixie> CheetahPixie 23:11:25Also, I'm still waiting on the glxinfo pastebin.BB|ack0p 23:11:27i said i upgraded to 64bit cpuCheetahPixie: what s the command to get it?CCheetahPixie 23:12:14glxinfo | head -n 350Unread MessagesBB|ack0p 23:12:45ok1168 people herehttps://i.postimg.cc/fWHytPNv/image.png
[23:13] <CheetahPixie> woah, whoops
[23:13] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tSJsXzWqm6/
[23:14] <CheetahPixie> https://i.postimg.cc/fWHytPNv/image.png
[23:14] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: i mean doesnt work properly with this awkward issues
[23:14] <B|ack0p> running 64bit at the moment. i didnt say i couldnt install
[23:15] <CheetahPixie> Okay.
[23:15] <CheetahPixie> So do you know what OpenGL GNOME depends on?
[23:15] <B|ack0p> what?
[23:15] <B|ack0p> latest fancy graphics cards?
[23:15] <CheetahPixie> What OpenGL version GNOME depends on.
[23:15] <CheetahPixie> No.
[23:15] <CheetahPixie> If it depends on anything newer than 2.1, then you're out of luck with GNOME.
[23:15] <B|ack0p> i dont know
[23:16] <CheetahPixie> Which means that those graphical issues might be a result of your GPU being literally incapable of doing the stuff that GNOME is requesting.
[23:16] <B|ack0p> another thing insisting about latest 64bit is ubuntu is going to finish 32bit support
[23:17] <B|ack0p> so instead of giving up ubuntu i may give up gnome
[23:17] <B|ack0p> but i will push for solution
[23:17] <B|ack0p> about original built
[23:17] <CheetahPixie> I would suggest trying Lubuntu, or the LXDE session thereof.
[23:17] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: did u check glxinfo?
[23:18] <CheetahPixie> I looked over it.
[23:18] <B|ack0p> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 18.0.5
[23:18] <B|ack0p> anything?
[23:18] <CheetahPixie> And it's telling me that your driver/hardware is only capable of up to OpenGL 2.1 or GLES 2.0.
[23:19] <CheetahPixie> Which means: if something requires GL/ES versions newer than this, your computer will not run it successfully.
[23:20] <CheetahPixie> https://wiki.gnome.org/GraphicsRequirements Taking a look over this, and I see there are three required extensions not bundled in any OGL spec.
[23:20] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: +1 on (l)ubuntu - or (x)ubuntu - both are "Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware."
[23:20] <B|ack0p> gnome..
[23:20] <CheetahPixie> ...of which you have all three. hm.
[23:21] <B|ack0p> Bashing-om: i tried lubuntu and i didnt like it..
[23:21] <CheetahPixie> Why not?
[23:21] <B|ack0p> i am use to original ubuntu
[23:21] <Bashing-om> B|ack0p: I personally run a varient of xubuntu - because I do like it :P
[23:21] <CheetahPixie> Except Gnome is commonly regarded as a bad overall DE.
[23:22] <CheetahPixie> And the "I do not like it because it is not familiar to me" excuse is not really valid.
[23:22] <B|ack0p> never mind.. if my specs cover all 3 requirements why not working?
[23:22] <CheetahPixie> You probably had the same feeling coming from Windows, yes?
[23:22] <CheetahPixie> Well, it would be great to have a copy of your Xorg.log.
[23:22] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: only feeling with windows is old games now working on 10
[23:23] <B|ack0p> they didnt include something in their kernel which makes playing old games possible.. i dont know
[23:23] <B|ack0p> that s one of the reasons i got this old laptop to install xp and linux
[23:23] <CheetahPixie> As in, you probably disliked GNOME coming from Windows because you were not used to it.
[23:23] <CheetahPixie> Same deal from GNOME to any other desktop.
[23:23] <CheetahPixie> It's a learning curve, as everything is.
[23:24] <B|ack0p> well i like gnome in ubuntu 10 era, then i didnt like unity..
[23:24] <B|ack0p> now i like unity and dislike gnome
[23:24] <B|ack0p> i just dont like radical changes..
[23:24] <CheetahPixie> I mean, I migrated to KDE due to limitations in both GNOME and Unity.
[23:24] <B|ack0p> for example (i know off topic) but lenovo dramatically changed thinkpads design which i hate
[23:25] <CheetahPixie> The thing that would probably perform by far the fastest on your hardware might be Wayland anything, including KDE.
[23:25] <CheetahPixie> But for simplicity's sake, I'd highly suggest either XFCE or LXDE.
[23:25] <B|ack0p> i m beginner so i dont know the difference. i just look at design mostly
[23:25] <B|ack0p> i like ubuntu desktop design all purple and orange colors
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> So why not theme LXDE/XFCE to match?
[23:26] <B|ack0p> if i can
[23:26] <B|ack0p> yesterday i tried to install xubuntu desktop
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> You can.
[23:26] <B|ack0p> and ambiance theme
[23:26] <B|ack0p> but it doesn look original
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> And?
[23:26] <B|ack0p> some icons correct some not
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> No theme looks original.
[23:26] <B|ack0p> looks like patched old cloth
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> And?
[23:26] <B|ack0p> i dont like it
[23:26] <CheetahPixie> What are you expecting?
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> Did you try xubuntu-session?
[23:27] <B|ack0p> i d like light weight desktop with ubuntu theme
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> So... Xubuntu or Lubuntu.
[23:27] <B|ack0p> i tried desktop only
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> They both have Ubuntu themes.
[23:27] <B|ack0p> if i install lubuntu can i make it look exactly ubuntu?
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> Well, not the orange color stuff, but they do indeed have a complete theme.
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> Exactly like Ubuntu, how so?
[23:27] <CheetahPixie> Side bar and all?
[23:28] <B|ack0p> yes
[23:28] <B|ack0p> and colors
[23:28] <B|ack0p> icons
[23:28] <CheetahPixie> This is like asking for a Mars bar and expecting it to be Snickers
[23:28] <B|ack0p> top bar icons i mean.. not folder.
[23:28] <CheetahPixie> Neither has a fixed "top bar".
[23:28] <B|ack0p> so
[23:28] <B|ack0p> is there any cure for my current issues?
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> Yes.
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> Change desktops or distros.
[23:29] <B|ack0p> lol
[23:29] <B|ack0p> not that
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> Or give me the xorg log as I asked for earlier.
[23:29] <B|ack0p> i mean real solution
[23:29] <B|ack0p> oh
[23:29] <B|ack0p> how to get it*
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> Yes, the real solution is change desktops or distros.
[23:29] <B|ack0p> ?
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> I'm not joking.
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> It's located in /var/log.
[23:29] <B|ack0p> i installed many drivers
[23:29] <B|ack0p> to try
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> >many drivers
[23:29] <CheetahPixie> And therein lies your issue.
[23:30] <B|ack0p> xorg0 - 1?
[23:30] <B|ack0p> old ?
[23:30] <B|ack0p> there are 3 logs
[23:30] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: yes i had to try what i can get.. but nothing fixed
[23:30] <B|ack0p> it is same corruption since i fresh installed
[23:30] <CheetahPixie> A mess of drivers might be a big part of this issue.
[23:30] <CheetahPixie> Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log.
[23:31] <B|ack0p> ok
[23:31] <B|ack0p> this is xorg0: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gM9SfsStqP/
[23:32] <B|ack0p> this is xorg1: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bnTd8MnFcx/
[23:33] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: did u read my bug report?
[23:33]  * B|ack0p brb to kitchen
[23:34] <CheetahPixie> Does it contain anything of any detail?
[23:37] <CheetahPixie> My second hunch might be that you're running on Wayland.
[23:38] <CheetahPixie> But considering it probably doesn't ship by default, this is unlikely.
[23:39] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: back
[23:39] <B|ack0p> it is not wayland
[23:40] <B|ack0p> it is default ubuntu
[23:40] <B|ack0p> fresh installed today.
[23:40] <B|ack0p> and after that i installed unity and some drivers to test
[23:41] <CheetahPixie> which drivers exactly?
[23:41] <B|ack0p> CheetahPixie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1839353
[23:42] <B|ack0p> hmm
[23:43] <B|ack0p> i dont remember which drivers now..
[23:44] <B|ack0p> something about frgl
[23:45] <CheetahPixie> fglrx?
[23:45] <CheetahPixie> Do not try to install those on anything new.
[23:45] <CheetahPixie> That is asking for issues.
[23:45] <CheetahPixie> Also, the reason you're missing transparency is definitely the age of the relevant hardware.
[23:45] <B|ack0p> ok
[23:46] <B|ack0p> transparency came back with fresh install
[23:46] <B|ack0p> it didnt work on live usb but fresh install brings back transparenc
[23:46] <B|ack0p> y
[23:47] <B|ack0p> wallpapers, icons and texts are getting corrupted and i cant get on screen indicator symbols working
[23:47] <CheetahPixie> I mean
[23:47] <CheetahPixie> at this point, it seems like that old GPU might be dying.
[23:47] <OerHeks> just accept it is not worth the time and effort
[23:48] <B|ack0p> ok..
[23:48] <TJ-> corrupted display can also be due to extreme (VRAM) pressure
[23:48] <B|ack0p> i still think ubuntu denies this laptop..
[23:48] <TJ-> I've seen that in the past with nvidia GPUs and KDE compositing for example
[23:49] <B|ack0p> and another issue with external monitor
[23:49] <B|ack0p> ok sorry bothering you with my issues..
[23:49] <CheetahPixie> See
[23:50] <CheetahPixie> right now, I would suggest you run a suite of GPU testing tools.
[23:50] <B|ack0p> which one?
[23:51] <B|ack0p> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu-benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/
[23:57] <B|ack0p> testing with glmark2 now


[05:48] <Kilos> morning inetpro  and others
[05:48] <Kilos> min today
[06:26] <Kilos> hi StonedAlchemist
[06:49] <StonedAlchemist> Morning Kilos, how are you?
[06:49] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[06:50] <StonedAlchemist> Pretty swell thanks.
[07:30] <StonedAlchemist> It's Saturday..
[07:32] <Kilos> lol
[07:34] <Kilos> StonedAlchemist  tell us about yourself, like where you are, what you do, your pc setup and IT likes and dislikes
[07:37] <StonedAlchemist> I'm from pmb. I'm not actually into IT per se I'm more into science.
[07:37] <StonedAlchemist> I use a mac pro
[07:38] <StonedAlchemist> retina
[07:38] <StonedAlchemist> duel boot osx and linux
[07:38] <StonedAlchemist> macbook pro i mean
[07:39] <Kilos> whew i was in pmb in 1990 i think it was
[07:39] <Kilos> were you born yet?
[07:40] <StonedAlchemist> No, 92
[07:40] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:41] <StonedAlchemist> Do you work in IT, Kilos ?
[07:41] <Kilos> there are more younguns here, keep your eyes open for theblazehen and smile
[07:41] <Kilos> nope im a ballie that just parks off
[07:42] <StonedAlchemist> Ah, ok. I figure most people here would probably work in an tech field.
[07:42] <Kilos> but most of the guys here do IT stuff as a living and we have 2 guys that are ubuntu devs
[07:43] <Kilos> we have sysadmins and all kinds
[07:44] <Kilos> and some networking guys etc
[07:45] <Kilos> how did you find this channel
[07:45] <StonedAlchemist> Just searched the channel list
[07:45] <Kilos> we need to advertise more
[07:46] <StonedAlchemist> I hang more on other networks.
[07:46] <Kilos> i dont hang it hurts my neck
[07:46] <Kilos> hehe
[07:46] <StonedAlchemist> lol
[07:47] <StonedAlchemist> Freenode is a bit too large. I like the smaller IRC networks.
[07:47] <Kilos> if you need linux help this is the right place to be for sure
[07:47] <Kilos> and if you can help others even better
[07:48] <StonedAlchemist> I could always try to help but I'm not sure I'd be any good.
[07:49] <Kilos> we all learn from watching here and helping noobs
[07:50] <StonedAlchemist> My best line is: "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[07:50] <Kilos> its quite a leap for some from windows to ubuntu
[07:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:53] <StonedAlchemist> Luckily ubuntu has become so much easier to work with than it was only a few years ago.
[07:53] <StonedAlchemist> Easier than windows IMHO.
[07:53] <StonedAlchemist> Especially Windows 8
[07:53] <StonedAlchemist> Although I kind of like Windows 8.
[09:11] <charl> morning Kilos, StonedAlchemist
[09:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:11]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:11] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:12] <StonedAlchemist> Charl hi
[09:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:17] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:17] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[10:44] <Kilos> Maaz  define VDSL
[10:44] <Maaz> Kilos: VDSL Very high data / bit rate Digital Subscriber Line (DSL, BIT)
[11:02] <magespawn> good afternoon
[11:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[11:02] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:39] <theblazehen> hey guys
[11:39] <theblazehen> magespawn, ping
[11:39] <Kilos> hi theblazehen
[11:39] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[11:52] <magespawn> hi theblazehen
[11:54] <theblazehen> magespawn, how much would it cost for a ~20 KM wifi link?
[11:54] <magespawn> point to point?
[11:55] <theblazehen> yeah
[11:56] <theblazehen> Doesn't actually need to be wifi, but some kind of point to point data connection
[11:56] <theblazehen> Not sure if anything else is cheaper
[12:05] <theblazehen> charl, "he liked it so much he actually experimented with awesome on windows http://awesome.naquadah.org/
[12:05] <theblazehen> "
[12:06] <theblazehen> Have you got any more info?
[12:06] <theblazehen> I haven't found anything with awesome on windows
[12:06] <theblazehen> only some other tiling window managers, but I <3 awesome
[13:06] <charl> theblazehen: sorry i don't completely understand the question ?
[13:07] <theblazehen> charl, Who got awesome running on windows? I'm stuck with windows on netbook, and would like to have a tiling WM at least
[13:08] <charl> oh my team leader
[13:08] <charl> he's not on irc :)
[13:16] <theblazehen> charl, ah, ok ..
[18:35] <nuvolari> this is hurting :(
[18:35] <nuvolari> bitlbee has been down for over a day
[18:35] <nuvolari> well, unable to connect
[18:35] <Kilos> aw
[18:35] <nuvolari> peer resetting
[18:35] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[18:35] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[19:03] <charl> hi nuvolari
[22:01] <Kilos> hi r4tpoison
[22:01] <Kilos> oh its you stoned guy
[22:01] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight