[00:05] <megabyte405> ogra: unfortunately whoever decided to do a rewrite of wv did everyone a disservice - wv2 has been basically unmaintained for four years now, with just a vulnerability patch in 2006
[00:05] <megabyte405> They are not interchangeable, wv is under active maintenance and improvement (since any word import bug in AbiWord tends to end up being a wv issue) whereas wv2 is not
[00:06] <slangasek> http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-is-he-cylon.html
[00:07] <megabyte405> not to mention that we used to just have the latest wv included in each abi release source tarball, until 2.6 when we decided that that was too messy in case a wv release independently came out between an abi release
[00:07] <slangasek> whoops, cut'n'paste error, but enjoy anyway ;)
[00:07] <ogra> lol
[00:24] <cjwatson> soren: mouse doesn't seem to be working in kvm any more; do you know what's up?
[00:26] <cjwatson> soren: (with -15)
[00:34] <Whoopie> Keybuk gave me the advice to mount the initramfs to /initrd. but the command fails:  mount -n -o bind / ${rootmnt}/initrd
[00:34] <Whoopie> mount: Mounting / on /root/initrd failed: Invalid argument
[00:34] <ogra> hum
[00:34] <Whoopie> this is to get the crash dump when usplash crashes on startup. Does anybody know how to mount the initramfs?
[00:35] <ogra> seems i lost my compiz decorations with the recent uprade
[02:53] <emgent> someone know why modsecurity is only in dapper and edgy?
[03:04] <Khajavi> any one know how can I install php-gtk ?
[03:07] <Fujitsu> That sounds so utterly and unspeakably wrong.
[03:08] <blueyed> emgent: build failure? what's the package name exactly?
[03:20] <jdong> Fujitsu: what, php-gtk? :D
[03:20] <jdong> Fujitsu: I've been unfortunate enough to inherit PHP shell scripts before.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> I too have inherited some lovely PHP shell-script imitations at work.
[03:35] <emgent> blueyed: ?
[03:35] <xtknight> any news on Bug 215778?  seems a little serious to me.  (all amd64/nvidia fail)
[03:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215778 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "2.6.24-16.30 kernel update - nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215778
[03:35] <emgent> Fujitsu: you know why mod-security is only in dapper-edgy ?
[03:35] <xtknight> amd64+nvidia rather
[03:35] <emgent> license problem ?
[03:36] <xtknight> not sure.  regression from -15
[03:36] <emgent> dendrobates: some idea? :)
[03:36] <xtknight> nvidia freezes when you try to modprobe it (and it says taints kernel at bootup), but i dont know if it always says taints kernel
[03:36] <emgent> anyway ubuntu kernel 2.6.24-16-generic have some problem
[03:37] <Fujitsu> emgent: (From Debian) RoM; undistributable for legal reasons
[03:37] <emgent> argh
[03:37] <emgent> :(
[03:37] <dendrobates> emgent: nope, I thought the main changes were in virtio.
[03:40] <blueyed> xtknight: it always taints the kernel, that's a "normal" log entry. It fails somewhere after that then probably.
[03:41] <xtknight> blueyed, yeah.  any suggestions on how to make its failure more verbose?
[03:41] <emgent> blueyed: what build failure?
[03:42] <blueyed> emgent: of "modsecurity". your already answered question.
[03:42] <emgent> oh ok, now i understand :)
[03:43] <xtknight> sudo modprobe nvidia reports a problem with the install command of nvidia.  then sudo modprobe -i nvidia says nvidia module doesn't exist, or something to that extent.  actually it was freezing but that was before l-u-m update.  after l-u-m updates there's just problems modprobing nvidia but it doesnt freeze on modprobe
[03:43] <xtknight> it shows errors instead
[03:46] <xtknight> if there is any debugging or cmds i could run to debug nvidia i would be glad to
[03:47] <xtknight> people say the official nvidia.com one works
[03:47] <xtknight> same version AFAIK
[05:30] <kirkland> anyone around that can sponsor a fix to jockey?
[07:23] <nucco> hi, anyone has a clue why rhythmbox grinds my HDD, and then freezes my system when I'm running on batteries?
[07:31] <nucco> I'm asking in here because I think there'd be more clued folks...
[08:19] <jscinoz> Where does the acpi/suspend whitelist live? Suspend works fine on my laptop but i don't want to wait around for upstream to add it.
[08:32] <kagou> Good morning
[08:37] <blaamann> This must be an Firefox package config error http://dpaste.com/44451/ ?
[08:38] <blaamann> It is in Hardy
[09:04] <jscinoz> acpi makes me cry.
[09:04] <jscinoz> Where does the acpi/suspend whitelist live? Suspend works fine on my laptop but i don't want to wait around for upstream to add it.
[09:41] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I create a source.changes file for a source package ?
[09:53] <hunger> Would it be possible to update git-core to the new version?
[10:07] <Mithrandir> hunger: while frozen for release?  Quite unlikely.
[10:08] <hyperair> would it be possible to alter the gksu package to shift the nautilus-gksu extension to the correct directory?
[10:20] <Whoopie> Keybuk: Hi, I tried to mount the initramfs, but it fails with "mount: Mounting / on /root/initrd failed: Invalid argument"
[10:22] <Keybuk> Whoopie: did you remember --bind?
[10:23] <Whoopie> Keybuk: command was mount -n -o bind / ${rootmnt}/initrd
[10:23] <hyperair> change bind to --bind
[10:23] <hyperair> eh wait
[10:23] <hyperair> no
[10:23] <Keybuk> mount -n --bind / ${rootmnt}/initrd
[10:24] <Whoopie> ok, I try again
[10:25] <Whoopie> Keybuk: btw, do you use thinkfinger? sometimes, hald-addon-input gets stuck and uses 97% cpu. and then, no sudo commands are working. reboot is the only solution
[10:25] <Keybuk> no, I don't
[10:26] <Keybuk> fingerprints are not a good authentication mechanism
[10:26] <Keybuk> while they happen to be unique
[10:26] <Keybuk> they're not _secret_
[10:26] <Whoopie> yeah :)
[10:26] <hyperair> but it is convenient isn't it
[10:28] <Keybuk> you may as well just set no password at all
[10:29] <hyperair> if there is no password then you can't authenticate can you?
[10:29] <Keybuk> that's the point
[10:30] <Keybuk> if there's no password, it's very convenient to use your computer
[10:30] <hyperair> you can't log in if there's no password
[10:30] <hyperair> very much like root
[10:30] <Keybuk> yes you can
[10:30] <hyperair> eh?
[10:30] <hyperair> really?
[10:30] <Keybuk> you just type your username (or click it) and you'll be logged in
[10:30] <hyperair> but root has no password
[10:31] <ion_> Reading a fingerprint is a nice alternative for typing your username when logging in, but not for typing your password. :-)
[10:31] <Keybuk> no, root has a locked password
[10:31] <hyperair> aaah
[10:31] <hyperair> i see
[10:31] <Keybuk> :*: <- locked
[10:31] <Keybuk> :: <- no password
[10:31] <hyperair> i see
[10:31] <Whoopie> Keybuk: some error message
[10:33] <Keybuk> hmm
[10:34] <Keybuk> Whoopie: you put it as the last command before run-init?
[10:35] <Whoopie> Keybuk: http://en.pastebin.ca/982154
[10:35] <Keybuk> and you get invalid operation?
[10:35] <Keybuk> *sigh* it clearly doesn't want to let you do that, then
[10:35] <Whoopie> Invalid argument
[10:37] <Keybuk> the initramfs / must be special in some way
[10:37] <Amaranth> ion_: can you do that?
[10:37] <Amaranth> make fingerprint match to username instead of using it for password, i mean
[10:37] <Keybuk> Amaranth: not with pam
[10:43] <tormod> pitti: you being the old "maintainer" and the only core-dev knowing this package, what do you think about bug #192772?
[10:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192772 in linux-wlan-ng "please merge linux-wlan-ng 0.2.8+svn1851+dfsg-1 from Debian main unstable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192772
[10:45] <Whoopie> Keybuk: hmm, I'm open to test anything you advice me :)
[10:46] <Keybuk> ok
[10:47] <Keybuk> remove the mount, but keep the ulimit
[10:47] <Keybuk> edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/usplash
[10:47] <Keybuk> stick cd /dev/.initramfs just inside the if [ $SPLASH = "true" ] block
[10:47] <Keybuk> update-initramfs -u
[10:47] <Keybuk> then try again :)
[10:49] <Whoopie> Keybuk: as first command inside the if block?
[10:49] <Whoopie> where should I find the crash dump then?
[10:50] <Whoopie> Keybuk: hmm, /dev/.initramfs has a core file.
[11:00] <Whoopie> Keybuk: great, the core file is indeed from usplash. Core was generated by `/sbin/usplash -c -x 1024 -y 768'.
[11:00] <Whoopie> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
[11:01] <Keybuk> ok
[11:01] <Keybuk> great
[11:01] <Keybuk> add to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[11:01] <Keybuk>   deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com hardy main universe
[11:02] <Keybuk> then apt-get update
[11:02] <Keybuk> and apt-get install usplash-dbgsym libusplash0-dbgsym]
[11:02] <Keybuk> also libx86-1-dbgsym
[11:03] <Keybuk> that should help you get a better stack trace
[11:03] <emgent> heya
[11:03] <Whoopie> so I need to reboot and catch a new core file, right?
[11:03] <Keybuk> no
[11:03] <Keybuk> you can trace that one
[11:04] <Whoopie> ok
[11:04] <Keybuk> the dbgsym packages just have the bits that were "stripped out"
[11:06] <mdke> stgraber: i see a few documentation related ideas on brainstorm.u.c, could you perhaps create a "documentation" category for those? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/5589/
[11:09] <Whoopie> Keybuk: following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace, I get: http://en.pastebin.ca/982176
[11:10] <Keybuk> Whoopie: gdb /sbin/usplash core
[11:11] <stgraber> mdke: doing a quick search on the website it appears we have ~50 ideas related to documentation or howtos. So we'll probably add a documentation category in the next code/db update (monday or tuesday)
[11:11] <Whoopie> Keybuk: http://en.pastebin.ca/982178
[11:12] <Keybuk> ok
[11:12] <Keybuk> extract a full backtrace from that
[11:14] <Whoopie> Keybuk: http://en.pastebin.ca/982182
[11:15] <Keybuk> great
[11:15] <Keybuk> can you file a bug with that?
[11:16] <Keybuk> "usplash segfault in bogl_tcfb_put" and attach the trace
[11:16] <Whoopie> I would attach it in bug 205990, ok?
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205990 in usplash "[hardy] splash screen disappears after a few seconds" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205990
[11:16] <Keybuk> ok
[11:17] <Keybuk> it looks to me like it's gone out of the bounds of the framebuffer
[11:17] <mdke> stgraber: great, thanks. can the documentation team be given moderator rights over such a category? (~ubuntu-core-doc on LP)
[11:18] <Whoopie> Keybuk: can i quote you in the bug report?
[11:18] <Keybuk> sure
[11:20] <Whoopie> done
[11:20] <Keybuk> great, thanks
[11:20] <Whoopie> thanks a lot for your help
[11:20] <Keybuk> no worries
[11:21] <Keybuk> given the level of that bug, it's sadly unlikely to get fixed in time for hardy
[11:21] <Keybuk> but I'll make sure someone looks at it
[11:21] <Whoopie> Keybuk: it's interesting that it doesn't affect everybody.
[11:21] <Keybuk> Whoopie: yeah, can you add as many relevant details as you can think of?
[11:22] <Keybuk> are you using i386 or amd64?
[11:22] <Keybuk> what graphics card?
[11:22] <Keybuk> what resolution?
[11:22] <Keybuk> attach /etc/usplash.conf
[11:23] <Keybuk> attach output of update-alternatives --display usplash-artwork.so
[11:23] <Keybuk> also obviously dpkg-query -W usplash usplash-theme-ubuntu
[11:26] <Whoopie> ok
[11:45] <stgraber> mdke: we are not directly linked to LP (yet) so we can't use LP's team as ACL. But if you have people in the doc team interested in being a moderator on Brainstorm, ask them to reply to this mail : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-March/025155.html
[11:47] <mdke> stgraber: sure thing; thanks
[11:48] <mdke> stgraber: is it possible for ubuntu-core-doc members to have a developer role just for the documentation category, or are the permissions not so subtle yet?
[11:52] <stgraber> mdke: permissions are common to the whole website for now. Developer on Brainstorm means (at least for me) : Someone who knows enough of Ubuntu's development to correctly answers questions about the release to come.
[11:52] <stgraber> mdke: so some of your guys may also ask for the Developer role if they think they know Ubuntu's development well enough for that (as they are writting the doc I'd assume they do)
[11:53] <mdke> stgraber: ok, thanks for the clarifications
[11:53] <stgraber> np
[11:55] <hunger_t> Mithrandir: You could stuff git-core into backports if it can not make it into the normal repos;-)
[12:59] <kagou> is it possible to have translation packages rebuilt for hardy ?
[14:15] <theunixgeek> The clipboard bug REALLY needs to be fixed.
[14:16] <Keybuk> "the clipboard bug" ?
[14:16] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: clipboard bug?
[14:17] <Hobbsee> [23:15] <theunixgeek> The clipboard bug REALLY needs to be fixed.
[14:17] <Hobbsee> wfm?
[14:17] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: the one where you copy something from one application, close the window, and then try to paste it in another.
[14:17] <Keybuk> theunixgeek: that's not a bug
[14:17] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: install gliper.
[14:17] <Keybuk> the clipboard is designed to work that way
[14:17] <theunixgeek> Keybuk: don't tell me that's a feature :P
[14:17] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: also note that the same behaviour is observed on all linux systems, and all windows systems.
[14:17] <Keybuk> and is also designed to allow other applications to intercede to avoid it
[14:17] <theunixgeek> Keybuk: it should be changed. it's extremely inconvenient
[14:18] <Hobbsee> I'm unsure of on macs, but I expect it is the same.
[14:18] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: no.
[14:18] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: yes.  try it.
[14:18] <Keybuk> I think it is the same on Macs
[14:18] <theunixgeek> it isn't.
[14:18] <Keybuk> or the Mac at least fails the same way as Windows (loses rich metadata and leaves plain text/wmf/etc.)
[14:18] <theunixgeek> just tried it.
[14:18] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: vista?
[14:18] <Keybuk> theunixgeek: remember that Macs tend to leave applications running when you close the window
[14:18] <theunixgeek> opened textedit, typed "hello", copied, quit TextEdit, lauched safari, pasted
[14:18] <Keybuk> you have to actually _quit_ the application
[14:18] <theunixgeek> Keybuk: I quit the apps
[14:19] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: h/o
[14:19] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: same as the mac
[14:19] <Keybuk> theunixgeek: try copying test from adobe acrobat with formatting into safari's html editor
[14:19]  * Hobbsee doens't recognise h/o
[14:19] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: hold on
[14:19] <theunixgeek> :)
[14:20] <Hobbsee> theunixgeek: you will be pleased to note that your problem will be solved with glipper, or klipper, if you're of that side.
[14:20] <theunixgeek> Hobbsee: I think it should be changed in Ubuntu itself. for newcomers it can be very inconvenient. I reinstalled 3 times to see if the problem could be fixed when I was a newcomer
[14:21] <Keybuk> theunixgeek: it's on the roadmap, just a long way off
[14:21] <theunixgeek> Keybuk: lol, should be pushed up
[14:21] <Keybuk> there are far more important things closer
[14:22] <theunixgeek> ok
[14:22] <Keybuk> as with most things, if you'd like to hurry it along, help out! :-)
[14:22] <Keybuk> most of the discussion of this kind of thing is taking place within freedesktop.org
[14:22] <Keybuk> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
[14:23] <Keybuk> for example
[14:23] <theunixgeek> thanks
[14:24] <Keybuk> http://standards.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-latest.txt too
[14:24] <Keybuk> there are a lot of attempts to work out how to do clipboards properly
[14:24] <Keybuk> the principle problem is that a clipboard isn't just "text"
[14:24] <Keybuk> it's actually an atom held by the copying application
[14:25] <Keybuk> the pasting application can negotiate with the copying application the exact contents
[14:25] <Mithrandir> and you have legacy apps.  If it was redone today, we'd probably have done it another way.
[14:25] <Keybuk> so if you copy HTML from Epiphany, and paste into Abiword, the two can negotiate and agree a method of pasting that preserves formatting
[14:25] <Keybuk> but if you paste into GEdit, the two might only negotiate a method that preserves the text
[14:25] <theunixgeek> I see
[14:25] <Keybuk> copy and SVG from Inkscape into GIMP, it might paste a bitmap of it
[14:26] <Keybuk> but paste into GEdit, it might paste the actual XML data
[14:26] <Keybuk> obviously if the copying application exits, the atom is lost
[14:26] <Keybuk> which is why you see the behaviour you observe
[14:26] <Keybuk> so, it's not a bug, because it's a side-effect of the clipboard being significantly more powerful
[14:26] <Keybuk> but obviously, it's something that could do with more work :-)
[14:26] <theunixgeek> I see
[14:26] <theunixgeek> thanks for the information
[14:27] <Keybuk> the usual way is that you have a third program
[14:27] <Keybuk> which can keep hold of the atoms after the running application has quit
[14:27] <Keybuk> that third program might only preserve a few common formats (this is what windows and mac do, iirc)
[14:27] <Keybuk> or that third program might know how to start enough of the copying program back up again when it's needed for paste
[14:27] <Keybuk> (OLE Clipboard on Windows, etc.)
[14:28] <ion_> I'd really love to have all the different clipboards synchronized all the time.
[14:28] <Keybuk> obviously if you were going to do this *right*
[14:28] <laga> ion_: the "middle mouse button" clipboard and the "right click, paste" clipboard?
[14:29] <Keybuk> you'd want the clipboard to be available over the network too
[14:29] <ion_> laga: Yeah
[14:29] <laga> ion_: yeah. annoying to no end.
[14:29] <Keybuk> ion_: ugh, I like the fact they've made those separate :)
[14:29] <infinity> Same...
[14:29] <Keybuk> read the fd.o clipboard spec for why they MUST be separate
[14:29] <Keybuk> (otherwise your Ctrl+C/Edit->Copy clipboard is overwritten every single time you highlight anything)
[14:29] <ion_> keybuk: Yes, i know some people like it, but i would like to have the option for them to be synchronized, and i'm quite certain that the option should be on for newbies.
[14:30] <Keybuk> ion_: apt-get source gtk
[14:30] <Keybuk> that option should be OFF
[14:30] <Keybuk> for exactly the reason explained above
[14:30] <laga> Keybuk: then turn off the "copy to clipboard on highlight"
[14:30] <Keybuk> newbies don't need to know about the middle mouse button shortcut
[14:30] <Keybuk> laga: why?  it doesn't interfere
[14:30] <Keybuk> with the way it is today, people who use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V can keep doing that without surprise
[14:30] <laga> newbies will find that shortcut eventually :)
[14:30] <Keybuk> people who use highlight-click can keep doing that without surprise
[14:31] <Keybuk> AND, most importantly, neither of them conflicts with each other
[14:31] <laga> yeah, but you're right. it's not good to break existing behavior
[14:31] <Keybuk> your suggestion would break *both* sets of people :-)
[14:31] <laga> :)
[14:31] <Keybuk> I suspect ion_'s real problem is that he's using Firefox, or OpenOffice, or some application that doesn't behave
[14:31] <Keybuk> FF certainly used to just copy selection into every single clipboard it could
[14:32] <laga> it's most apparent for me in ff, yeah
[14:32] <ion_> Well, yeah. :-)
[14:32] <Keybuk> see also "why Keybuk uses Epiphany #194"
[14:32] <infinity> Firefox behaves better than it used to...
[14:32] <Keybuk> ion_: so you want all applications to behave like the one broken one?
[14:34] <ion_> I guess i would be happy if shift-insert did the right thing everywhere.
[14:34] <Keybuk> ion_: that tends to mostly
[14:34] <Keybuk> except, of course, Mono applications
[14:34] <Keybuk> which for no readily apparent reason, ignore it
[14:39] <infinity> Keybuk: Ironic, given the origin of the keyboard shortcut and the origin of Mono/.NET
[14:41] <Keybuk> wasn't Shift-insert some IBM attempt to standardise?
[14:41] <infinity> Widely used in DOS.
[14:41] <infinity> Yay, edit.com
[14:42] <infinity> Is it wrong that I still miss qbasic nibbles?
[14:53] <Keybuk> infinity: I still miss QuickBasic
[14:53] <Keybuk> that had a *to die for* IDE
[14:54] <Keybuk> a debugger that could tell you the current value of the variable
[14:54] <Keybuk> where it was set to that value
[14:54] <Keybuk> what it was before
[14:54] <Keybuk> etc.
[14:56] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: I think somebody wrote about an extension to gdb where you could go back in time and get answers to questions such as "what touched this memory location last".
[15:18] <tseliot> hi all, I'm having this problem with debdiff. Is it a known problem?
[15:18] <tseliot> http://pastebin.com/m2d0aaf16
[15:18] <tseliot> on Hardy
[15:24] <Hobbsee> tseliot: what's at 489?
[15:31] <tseliot> Hobbsee: $first =~ s/ $dir1\/$sdir1/ $sdir1/;
[15:31] <geser> tseliot: what did you tried to do?
[15:33] <tseliot> geser: the MOTU guide suggests that we do somthing like "debdiff xicc_0.2-2.dsc xicc_0.2-2ubuntu1.dsc"
[15:34] <geser> if called it like that then it should work
[15:38] <tseliot> geser: is this the only way to provide a patch? Would a diff -Nurb be acceptable in a bugreport?
[15:39] <geser> if you do it in both versions of the unpacked source packages, it should be acceptable (but no guarantee)
[15:41] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[15:41] <geser> but I still fail to understand why debdiff failed for you
[15:48] <tseliot> geser: wait, problem solved, my bad.
[15:49] <geser> what was the problem?
[15:55] <tseliot> geser: well, I didn't notice that I was using the wrong version of the dsc as the first parameter. I should get some sleep :-p
[16:05] <kirkland> Keybuk: you around?
[16:06] <Keybuk> kirkland: yup, what's up?
[16:06] <kirkland> Keybuk: bug #214914
[16:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 214914 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with AttributeError in enabled()" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/214914
[16:06] <kirkland> Keybuk: has 87 duplicates, and getting a whole lot of attention
[16:06] <kirkland> Keybuk: pitti is probably in route back home now from Austin
[16:06] <kirkland> Keybuk: i posted a debdiff last night
[16:07] <Keybuk> has pitti reviewed that debdiff?
[16:07] <kirkland> Keybuk: nope, he's probably traveling/jetlagged
[16:07] <Keybuk> well, and it's a Saturday
[16:07] <kirkland> Keybuk: yup
[16:07] <Keybuk> I'd generally rather he reviewed it, since jockey is his baby
[16:07] <Keybuk> he's back at work Monday morning
[16:08] <kirkland> Keybuk: okay...  the debdiff adds a missing [0] on the end of any array, fwiw
[16:08] <Keybuk> we're in freeze anyway, and I expect all the RMs are away
[16:08] <Keybuk> so any upload wouldn't get processed until monday
[16:08] <kirkland> Keybuk: fair enough
[16:08] <kirkland> Keybuk: thanks for the info
[16:18] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: all the RM's who can do anything, anyway.
[16:30] <alex-weej> kernel update today in hardy, known issues?
[16:30] <alex-weej> going from 24-15 to 24-16 has screwed me i think
[16:38] <protonchris> alex-weej: is the kernel hanging when trying to load modules?
[16:39] <protonchris> alex-weej: if so, there is a fixed package out.  It might on not hit your mirror yet.
[16:39] <alex-weej> i am using the main archive now, i've got 24-16.30 installed right now
[16:40] <alex-weej> let me try one more time and figure it out
[16:40] <alex-weej> BRB
[16:46] <alex-weej> 16.30 doesn't work from the main archives either...
[16:46] <alex-weej> is taht the most up to date kernel?
[16:46] <alex-weej> it appears that at least some modules are loading
[16:46] <alex-weej> lsmod lists a lot
[16:47] <protonchris> Might be a different issue then.
[16:47] <alex-weej> but kvm_intel notably fails during startup
[16:47] <alex-weej> there's lots of errors about snd_intel_hda symbols
[16:47] <alex-weej> evilware-nvidia X doesn't work, trackpad doesn't work, and even my ethernet driver doesn't work
[16:48] <alex-weej> and atheros wifi never worked in hardy so it is basically networkless!
[16:48] <alex-weej> and -15 doesn't have any header packages in the archive anymore so i can't build my wifi driver :(
[16:49] <protonchris> IIRC, my issues were fixed with the 2.6.24-16.22 version of linux-ubuntu-modules
[16:52] <alex-weej> i have 16.22 of that already installed
[16:53] <protonchris> No idea.  I haven't encountered any problems with the new kernel.
[16:53] <alex-weej> are you on amd64?
[16:53] <protonchris> No i386.
[16:54] <alex-weej> ok
[17:17] <hyperair> does anybody know anything about Bug #185854
[17:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[17:18] <hyperair> it's a high priority confirmed bug but no action seems to be taken
[17:18] <hyperair> if ubuntu hardy is released with this bug still open nobody will be able to set a static IP
[17:18] <hyperair> not a very nice image to set for a LTS release is it
[17:18] <Chipzz> hyperair: this is not the appropriate place to pimp your favorite bug ;)
[17:19] <hyperair> sure it isn't
[17:19] <hyperair> i'm just asking for opinions
[17:19] <hyperair> and it isn't my favourite bug either
[17:19] <Chipzz> also
[17:19] <Chipzz> it's a weekend
[17:20] <Chipzz> so you're not very likely to get opinions now ;)
[17:20] <hyperair> aaah
[17:20] <hyperair> i see
[17:21] <Chipzz> btw, what you're claiming is plainly false: 18:18 < hyperair> if ubuntu hardy is released with this bug still open nobody will be able to set a static IP
[17:22] <Chipzz> it's mentioned at the very top that if you correct /e/n/i it does work
[17:22] <hyperair> hmm?
[17:22] <hyperair> fine
[17:22] <hyperair> let's correct that
[17:22] <hyperair> nobody without technical knowhow
[17:22] <Chipzz> haven't read the whole bug-report though
[17:23] <hyperair> but yes the problem here is gnome's configuration of /e/n/i, not of the underlying network system
[17:23] <Chipzz> people with static IPs are hardly ever people without technical know-how
[17:23] <Chipzz> also
[17:23] <Chipzz> another point
[17:23] <hyperair> it doesn't work for DHCP users either
[17:24] <hyperair> i've tried using DHCP on wlan0 and it doesn't work
[17:24] <Chipzz> the recommended approach for configuring your network will be network-manager in hardy
[17:24] <laga> Chipzz: even for servers?
[17:25] <hyperair> that doesn't mean every other method should be broken
[17:25] <pochu> for servers you aren't likely using gnome-system-tools
[17:25] <pochu> hyperair: if I were you I would raise it on Monday on #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-desktop
[17:25] <hyperair> alright
[17:25] <hyperair> i will
[17:25] <hyperair> thanks
[17:26] <Chipzz> laga: servers generally don't come wit a GUI, so recommended approach for servers would be /e/n/i (I think(
[17:30] <hyperair> Chipzz:there are currently users who want to have both wired and wireless connections simultaneously on #ubuntu+1
[17:30] <hyperair> imo it's not possible with networkmanager
[17:30] <hyperair> and since the manual is fscked at the moment, there isn't a gui method
[17:30] <Nafallo> hyperair: that is possible. you just need to configure your profiles.
[17:31] <Nafallo> on my personal server I use quagga for configuring the network interfaces.
[17:31] <hyperair> like through sys/admin/network?
[17:32] <hyperair> it can be done through sys/admin/network
[17:32] <hyperair> _if_ it works
[17:32] <Nafallo> hyperair: yea. or network-manager/manual
[17:33] <hyperair> but obviously it won't work at the moment _because_ of the above bug
[17:33] <hyperair> and since it has been open for 4 months i'm beginning to get worried
[17:34] <Nafallo> k
[18:01] <afflux> hyperair in #ubuntu-bugs raised this, and I, too, think bug 185854 should be looked at asap.
[18:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185854
[18:02] <hyperair> eheheh i raised it here earlier afflux
[18:02] <hyperair> i was told to go to #ubuntu-bugs
[18:02] <afflux> omg
[18:02] <afflux> I'm blind, forgive me please.
[18:02] <hyperair> =D
[18:02] <hyperair> thanks for your concern anyway
[18:03] <afflux> I ran in this earlier, but I thought it was just me having forgotten something
[18:03] <hyperair> hahahaa
[18:03] <hyperair> np np
[18:04] <afflux> anyway, I think this may even be critical importance, as I think there are quite a lot of people who don't like dhcp in their network. I could change it, but I think I'll leave the devs to decide this.
[18:06] <afflux> brb, testing some n-m stuff
[18:47] <syke> howdy
[18:48] <syke> the -16 kernel update appears to have a broken nvidia module; there isn't a bug report yet
[18:48] <syke> is this a case of waiting for the archive mirrors to update, or a known issue, or..?
[18:50] <hyperair> i'd really like to reply, but i'd be replying to you in more than one channel xD
[18:51] <syke> heh
[19:30] <pecisk> Anyone knows any hope for fix before release for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/185854?
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185854 in gnome-system-tools "Setting static IP in Network Settings doesn't produce correct data" [High,Confirmed]
[19:31] <laga> yeah, that'd be great
[19:31] <Chipzz> pecisk: you're the 2nd one to ask in about one or 2 hours :P
[19:31] <laga> you're not the.. right :)
[19:39] <pecisk> Chipzz: yeah, but it is not even funny anymore :) such trivial bug in LTS, come on
[19:45] <superm1> ugh whoever added kubuntu_30_displayconfig_no_xorg_correct_detection.patch to kde-guidance
[19:45] <superm1> really fscked up things
[19:45] <wasabi> Keybuk: congrats
[19:45] <laga> why? (kde-guidance makes my X segfault)
[19:45] <superm1> well because mythbuntu-common uses xorgconfig
[19:45] <superm1> and suddenly xorgconfig returns tupples
[19:46] <superm1> instead of contexts
[19:46] <laga> ah. API breakage
[19:46] <Chipzz> pecisk: I have made several comments on that to the previous guy
[19:46] <slangasek> superm1: pitti has reverted it as soon as he noticed
[19:46] <slangasek> it massively broke jockey as well
[19:46] <superm1> slangasek, okay so an ubuntu14 upload will be fixing it then?
[19:47] <superm1> ah yeah
[19:47] <superm1> i see
[19:47] <superm1> awesome.  thanks
[19:49] <pecisk> Chipzz: it is not that I can't fix it manually by myself, I just would like to avoid to having Ubuntu bad reputation because of this :( Just question is there any hope for fixing this before final release? I wanted to try myself, but then fell ill
[19:49] <Chipzz> pecisk: one thing I pointed out was the following:
[19:49] <Chipzz> 18:24 < Chipzz> the recommended approach for configuring your network will be network-manager in hardy
[19:49] <Chipzz> the gnome-system-tools way is deprecated as I understand it
[19:49] <pecisk> o_O
[19:50] <pecisk> it doesn't make sense
[19:50] <pecisk> network-manager don't have manual IP configuration
[19:50] <ogra> sure it has
[19:50] <pecisk> nor it can write anything to /etc/network/interfaces
[19:50] <pecisk> really, how?
[19:51] <elmo> err
[19:51] <elmo> "manual configuration in network-manager" == gnmome-system-tools
[19:51] <ogra> click on the NM icon its the last optoin in the menu
[19:51] <pecisk> gosh
[19:51] <superm1> ogra, that opens network-admin i thought?
[19:51] <pecisk> ogra, it _is_ g-s-t
[19:51] <pecisk> duh
[19:51] <ogra> oh, where did the NM tool for manual config go ?
[19:52] <ogra> we had that in until beta
[19:52] <pecisk> ogra, wonder, it NEVER had
[19:52] <elmo> ogra: it never had one
[19:52] <pecisk> ogra, it is for wireless networks
[19:53] <pecisk> wow, there is saying "eat your own dog food" for reason, isn't there
[19:53] <LaserJock> I thought it had one at some point to, but perhaps not
[19:53] <Nafallo> ogra: you mean the link from network-manager to whatever is in gnome-control-center? :-)
[19:53] <ogra> i'm pretty sure i had it in applcations->systemtools for weeks
[19:54] <ogra> and that app was started from the NM menu at that time
[19:54] <pecisk> and even so, g-s-t is way too advanced to bee deprecated just because someone can fix propably one liner
[19:54] <LaserJock> oh, yeah. did that do static?
[19:54] <ogra> i think so
[19:54] <LaserJock> that was the Network Manager Editor or some such
[19:54] <Nafallo> ogra: that's the network-manager thing indeed. that .desktop got dropped since it belongs in right-click nm-applet and choose edit wireless networks :-)
[19:54] <ogra> yeah
[19:54] <pecisk> it is for WIRELESS, damn
[19:55] <pecisk> I want my manually configured IP address for wired network, and it worked until betas
[19:55] <pecisk> ok
[19:55]  * pecisk off to fix it myself
[19:55] <laga> pecisk: make sure to add a debdiff to the ticket
[19:55] <pecisk> sure
[19:55] <laga> much appreciated.
[19:56] <LaserJock> that would suck if wired static IPs wouldn't work anymore
[19:56] <LaserJock> all my desktop machines have static IPs
[19:59] <superm1> LaserJock, yeah i've seen a few people with mythbuntu boxes complaining that static ips stopped working too
[19:59] <superm1> which it boiled down to that tool
[20:00] <LaserJock> :(
[20:55] <kestaz> why ubuntu hardy beta ships with transmission 1.06 ?
[20:55] <jdong> kestaz: because 1.10 released too late for us to consider shoving it into Hardy blindly
[20:56] <kestaz> jdong: so 1.10 will be in final hardy release ?
[20:56] <jdong> kestaz: with input from a transmission developer I've decided to keep Hardy on 1.06 because it's been fairly well tested, and provide 1.1x in the hardy-backports repository
[20:56] <kestaz> jdong: ok
[20:56] <jdong> kestaz: right now Hardy's completely frozen and only important bugfixes are allowed in with case-by-case approval
[20:57] <jdong> kestaz: but I've been testing 1.11 locally and preparing a backport for it. it should basically coincide with release day if all goes well
[21:37] <alex-weej> are packaged kernels supposed to be ABI compatible within x.y.z-a versions?
[21:37] <alex-weej> -16 broke some stuff today, but -15 is broken now, too
[21:38] <alex-weej> at least, my sound modules won't load
[21:38] <alex-weej> (unknown symbols)
[21:38] <RussellGee> -16 works perfect with me
[21:38] <alex-weej> amd64
[21:39] <alex-weej> kills the nvidia driver
[21:39] <alex-weej> there are lots of reports of it already, that's known
[21:39] <alex-weej> i'm just perplexed as to why -15 is broken now too
[22:07] <RaND1> bonsoir amis développeurs ^^
[22:16] <sommer>  zzzzzzzzzzzzzz444
[22:16] <sommer> woops
[22:16] <LaserJock> yeah, it is a snooze in here ;-)
[22:17] <sommer> heh, mystyp
[22:17] <sommer> mistyped... garr
[22:18] <ion_> sommer: Booze and keyboards don't mix. ;-)
[22:19] <sommer> heh, true, but this time my xo fell off my lap, and I mashed the keyboard picking it up :)
[22:19] <sommer> the booze will probably come later, heh
[22:34] <emgent> heya
[23:11] <macogw> hi, i just uploaded a diff to bug #215729 and someone in #ubuntu-bugs suggested i ask in here about what to do next
[23:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 215729 in seahorse "Seahorse fails to import keys" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215729
[23:15] <Whoopie> macogw: you should diff with "diff -u ..." (just a comment from a user :))
[23:18] <LaserJock> macogw: huh, that's rather annoying. I like to use seahorse for importing keys
[23:19] <macogw> LaserJock: it would work for importing from a local file, but it couldnt download because it was doing search=ABCDEF12 instead of search=0xABCDEF12
[23:19] <LaserJock> right yeah
[23:20] <macogw> kinda seemed like core functionality of seahorse
[23:22] <LaserJock> macogw: you know any packaging?
[23:22] <macogw> no
[23:23] <macogw> ive made one deb, and i had a friend sitting next to me telling me what to do
[23:23] <LaserJock> macogw: can you check upstream for a bug report on this?
[23:23] <macogw> there isnt one
[23:23] <macogw> already looked
[23:24] <LaserJock> k, odd
[23:24] <LaserJock> I would think that would be noticed pretty fast
[23:24] <macogw> maybe people assume someone else has already reported it
[23:24] <LaserJock> just wondered if it was something we introduced but my guess is no
[23:25] <macogw> its not in the debian/patches/ directory anywhere
[23:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[23:26] <LaserJock> well, I can turn your patch into a package, if you like
[23:26] <macogw> ok
[23:47] <afflux> macogw: I'm not a real glib programmer, but IMO as you're using gchar (and I think this is good) you should use the g_strcpy functions (or similar).
[23:49] <macogw> afflux: oh. whats the difference?  i used gchar because the fpr var did and i didnt want to use different types and break what i know nothing about
[23:50] <afflux> macogw: it's the glib character type, I'm not sure what the exact differences are ;)
[23:50] <macogw> ok
[23:53] <afflux> macogw: okay, I think it should be no issue for you. The glib docs list gchar as "Types which correspond exactly to standard C types, but are included for completeness"
[23:53] <macogw> ok
[23:54] <macogw> ive never really played with glib itself, just gone "O_o why all the renaming?" while poking at things that happen to use glib
[23:54] <macogw> thanks for the info


[00:22] <greyback> harris: we're working on the device now, hopefully it'll be supported soon.
[01:13] <FuLgOrE> hi rsalveti: back home? did you have the chance to install your N5 image?
[01:13] <rsalveti> FuLgOrE: yup, doing proper packaging for the nexus 5 kernel now to see if I'm able to fix the wlan issue
[01:14] <FuLgOrE> that sounds great :) I have my last free day until I have to work again. So if you have something to test, just let me know
[01:14] <rsalveti> cool, will do
[01:14] <FuLgOrE> in which time zone are you now? gmt -2?
[01:14] <rsalveti> FuLgOrE: yup
[01:15] <FuLgOrE> I'm at gmt+8
[01:15] <FuLgOrE> tuesday for me :D
[01:15] <rsalveti> :-)
[01:23] <R4v3n> Hello, i was wondering about the latest version of ubuntu touch is it 1.0 or stil in development stage?
[01:30] <R4v3n> can anyone please write lsb_release -a in a terminal within unitys shell environment and paste the output here, because i have a google nexus 4 phone, and i would like to know if version 1.0 of ubuntu touch yet has been relased or if it's still in development stage ? :)
[01:31] <nhaines> R4v3n: version 1.0 of Ubuntu on mobiles was released as Ubuntu 13.10 *AND* it is still in the development stage.
[01:31] <nhaines> In any case, lsb_release -a will look the same as it does on your desktop.
[01:32] <rww> ohai nhaines
[01:32] <nhaines> rww: ohai
[01:32] <nhaines> R4v3n: try this.  You can keep all your Android apps and data and also play with Ubuntu any time you like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[02:41] <R4v3n> nhaines: thanks for the info :-) will look into it
[03:18] <nhaines> R4v3n: Good luck.  :)
[03:54] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: how is it looking?
[04:01] <gt-i8730> Hello can I use my gt-i8730 for ubuntu touch. As i understand its quite simular to the galaxy s2?
[04:17] <gt-i8730> can i just do sudo apt-get install ubuntu touch to install it?
[04:17] <gt-i8730> En will i be able to dubble boot back in to the original android
[04:20] <FuLgOrE> !devices
[04:33] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: did the brightness control work on your N5?
[10:35] <om26er> sil2100, hey
[10:35] <om26er> sil2100, is it the right time to test the latest image ?
[10:35] <om26er> davmor2, ^
[10:58] <didrocks> om26er: we are dogfooding, feel free to test 161 please
[10:58] <didrocks> om26er: you should really join our morning call I guess
[10:58] <didrocks> it's at 9:30 UTC
[11:01] <om26er> didrocks, sure though its a little early than my normal start time
[11:01] <didrocks> om26er: let's see how it works for you, mind if I invite you?
[11:01] <om26er> didrocks, do you know when maguro goes EOL ?
[11:01] <didrocks> om26er: I guess once we switch to 4.4
[11:01] <om26er> didrocks, yes go ahead
[11:01] <ogra_> om26er, as soon as we switch to android 4.4
[11:01] <didrocks> thanks ogra_ :)
[11:01] <ogra_> :)
[11:01] <didrocks> and om26er :)
[11:02] <didrocks> ogra_: stop speaking and troubling my o+<tab>!
[11:02] <didrocks> :)
[11:02] <om26er> hah
[11:02] <ogra_> haha
[11:03] <didrocks> om26er: you should receive it now
[11:13] <sil2100> om26er: hi!
[11:14] <sil2100> om26er: I just tested 161 on mako as per the spreadsheet, and it's green
[11:14] <om26er> sil2100, ok, I am downloading it for maguro, right now
[11:14] <Rixky> My galaxy nexus got blacksreen after google logo
[11:15] <Rixky> what is the steps actually for installing ubuntu touch?
[11:15] <Rixky> I am using the steps from the Ubuntu page
[11:16] <ogra_> see the channel topic, there is a link to the install docs
[11:16] <Rixky> and the black screen takes a long time until I plugged out my battery
[11:16] <sil2100> om26er: thanks! psivaa did some tests already I think?
[11:17] <psivaa> yea, i am about to finish that tests that do not require sim.
[11:17] <psivaa> since i dont have the sim that will be the end of my testing
[11:18]  * ogra_ will do all sim related bits then ...
[11:18] <ogra_> but my phone was dead, flashing takes a while
[11:18] <ogra_> (slow internet here)
[11:29] <skywalk004> hello
[11:30] <skywalk004> ya du monde ici ?
[11:34] <skywalk004> someone to answer to a question ?
[11:34] <ogra_> !ask
[11:35] <M4dH4TT3r> can i ask a question? (had to)
[11:35] <M4dH4TT3r> :p
[11:35] <skywalk004> Some body know the terminals that will be supported in a soon futur ?
[11:36] <skywalk004> !patience :D
[11:37] <ogra_> what do you mean by terminals ? terminal apps ? access via USB or ssh ?
[11:38] <skywalk004> Sorry english is not my native langage, I mean what phones will be supported
[11:38] <skywalk004> nexus 4 is a bit old ^^
[11:39] <M4dH4TT3r> cdma mips
[11:39] <ogra_> only nexus devices ... and with the switch to the android 4.4 base we will support: nexus4, nexus7 (2013 version) and probably the nexus10 (not decided yet)
[11:40] <M4dH4TT3r> -_-
[11:40] <ogra_> there is some effore for a community port to nexus5 but it wont be supported
[11:40] <skywalk004> damm the 5 would be awesome
[11:40] <ogra_> for other community ports see:
[11:40] <ogra_> !devices
[11:41] <ogra_> (you will have to sak the port maintainers how well their ports work ... they should be linked on the wikipages)
[11:42] <skywalk004> nice, ty ogra_
[11:43] <skywalk004> I don't want anything from google now, the problem the number of devices are not huge.
[11:43] <skywalk004> what about the market ?
[11:43] <M4dH4TT3r> -_-
[11:43] <ogra_> there will surely be devices with ubuntu touch preinstalled this year
[11:44] <ogra_> but they will also likely be limited to only a few vendors and telcos
[11:44] <M4dH4TT3r> no lg prestige an510, htc desire cdma, cruz velocity t301 -_-
[11:44] <skywalk004> if supported => easy flash
[11:44] <Tm_T> M4dH4TT3r: please stop repeating about mips, it's becoming tedious
[11:45] <skywalk004> galaxy s5 :love:
[11:45] <M4dH4TT3r> try waiting its more tedious...
[11:46] <skywalk004> yeah, but my galaxy s2 is sloooooooow, I wont wait enough.
[11:46] <skywalk004> fucking 1Go of RAM
[11:46] <M4dH4TT3r> lao
[11:47] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao
[11:47] <M4dH4TT3r> just finished installing an os on a laptop with 32MB of rramm
[11:47] <skywalk004> and android ...
[11:48] <skywalk004> my first computer had 8Mo
[11:48] <skywalk004> MB
[11:48] <M4dH4TT3r> mine had 4 and a 286sx
[11:48] <skywalk004> 512ko of graphic memory, insane when it gets out ...
[11:48] <skywalk004> I have 4go now :D
[11:49] <M4dH4TT3r> but this pent 1 seems to run openbsd well
[11:49] <M4dH4TT3r> laterz
[11:50] <skywalk004> Thinking to do a cloud of small shits with ubuntu cloud
[11:50] <skywalk004> Is that hard ?
[11:50] <M4dH4TT3r> might be good
[11:51] <M4dH4TT3r> i go deb cause more of my devs are supported
[11:51] <M4dH4TT3r> then do private cloud
[11:52] <skywalk004> deb have a cloud edition ?
[11:52] <skywalk004> cluster i mean
[11:53] <M4dH4TT3r> https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud
[11:53] <ogra_> skywalk004, try the #ubuntu-server channel
[11:53] <skywalk004> yeah sorry thank you
[11:54] <skywalk004> thanks M4dH4TT3r
[11:56] <skywalk004> about ubuntu touch, there is a kind of option, to force only open source package ?
[11:58] <M4dH4TT3r> np skywalk004
[11:59] <skywalk004> damm
[12:00] <ogra_> heh, no
[12:00] <ogra_> that wouldnt work
[12:00] <ogra_> you wouldnt have a modem, no graphics, no sensors ...
[12:00] <skywalk004> how can we be sure we dont have rooted applications or anything else spying your data ?
[12:01] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: is your image with the wifi fix working? I would like to try it.
[12:09] <ogra_> skywalk004, applications work in their own restricted little world ...
[12:47] <om26er> sil2100, ping
[12:47] <skywalk004> ogra_ > back, thanks, but on android most applications ask for almost all rights, how it's on ubuntu touch ?
[12:47] <om26er> sil2100, on your testing did you note that bringing your hand near the proximity sensor turns off the screen, even when you are not in a call
[12:48] <skywalk004> and there is a emulation of devices for testing the operating system ?
[12:48] <ogra_> skywalk004, http://mdeslaur.blogspot.ca/2013/12/ubuntu-touch-and-user-privacy.html
[12:48] <ogra_> there is an emulator, but it is extremely slow
[12:48] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[12:48] <skywalk004> thanks
[13:17] <nocomp> ola
[13:23] <nocomp> do you guys know if finally at mwc ll be announced some decent phones with touch preinstalled?
[13:23] <nocomp> any clues on that?
[13:24] <ogra_> just wait 20 days any you will know ;)
[13:24] <nocomp> lol
[13:25] <nocomp> any idea why n5 is not part of the official devices?
[13:27] <ogra_> because we dont have them in the company
[13:27] <ogra_> and because the focus until ubuntu touch is usable will be on one device per formfactor
[13:27] <nocomp> oki
[13:27] <ogra_> there will likely be unofficial images for it though
[13:28] <nocomp> ok
[13:28] <ogra_> since you can get them built for free out of the new android codebase
[13:28] <nocomp> i dlike to run ut on my mobile
[13:28] <nocomp> but not having an outdated phone jsut for the sake of running ut
[13:28] <ogra_> N4 isnt that outdated :)
[13:28] <nocomp> i try desperatly to run it on gs3
[13:28] <nocomp> compared to a htc one it is ;)
[13:29] <nocomp> and now with have lte here
[13:29] <ogra_> you can call it a glass brick ... and unsuitable as a phone in its fragilty ... but i dont think you can call it outdated yet :)
[13:29] <nocomp> #justteasing ;)
[13:29] <ogra_> htc one and N4 have nearly the same specs
[13:45] <Tassadar> Can I somehow make unity8 to output some logs? It crashes for me, and I can't find anything which would help me figure out why
[13:46] <Tassadar> it doesn't have -dbg packages, so apport won't help me
[13:46] <dholbach> didrocks, ogra_: can we land https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-html5-theme-examples/+merge/204562 today?
[13:47] <Tassadar> in early ubuntu-touch builds, there was .ubuntu-touch-session/logs in /home, but it's not there anymore
[13:47] <didrocks> dholbach: I think robru and cyphermox_ are working on this
[13:47] <didrocks> but that's not the right fix
[13:47] <didrocks> as some packages were renamed
[13:47] <ogra_> Tassadar, /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/
[13:47] <didrocks> see my email on the ubuntu touch ML
[13:47] <Tassadar> yeah, just found it -.-
[13:47] <Tassadar> thanks)
[13:48] <Tassadar> wouldn't have looked into .cache for logs, that's for sure
[13:48] <dholbach> didrocks, I think it's unrelated to the renames
[13:48] <dholbach> didrocks, one package moved from depends to recommends
[13:49] <didrocks> dholbach: yeah, but we need to land the seed at the same time
[13:49] <didrocks> we need to stack landings
[13:49] <beidl> Hey guys! I'm wondering what happened to the decision regarding dropping support for maguro. I'm seeing new images on system-image.u.c.
[13:49] <didrocks> we have 300 components landing through us
[13:49] <didrocks> I let you imagine the number of requests
[13:49] <ogra_> whats the reason to ship programming examples on the phone ?
[13:49] <dholbach> ogra_, it's moving to recommends
[13:49] <dholbach> ogra_, so it won't be on the phone
[13:49] <ogra_> oh, ok
[13:50] <ogra_> yeah, sorry, we had that conversation
[13:50] <dholbach> ogra_, +1? :)
[13:50]  * ogra_ forgot
[13:50] <ogra_> beidl, as soon as we switch to an android 4.4 base we'll stop building them
[13:50] <ogra_> wont be long anymore
[13:51] <beidl> I thought so. Sadly. But thanks!
[13:51] <cyphermox_> dholbach: thanks, I'll apply this yeah :)
[13:52] <cyphermox_> dholbach: there is another change I need to do for ubuntu-html5 so we should try to make it one upload only
[13:52] <dholbach> cyphermox_, ok, so I land it in the branch - it'll require a -meta upload anyway, right?
[13:52] <Laney> why keep it as a recommends at all?
[13:53] <dholbach> Laney, for ubuntu-sdk users on the desktop/laptop I think
[13:53] <cyphermox_> dholbach: yeah
[13:53] <cyphermox_> Laney: +1...
[13:54] <Laney> Doesn't seem like this is the right place for examples to be pulled in, but oh well :-)
[13:58] <cyphermox_> Laney: at least not if you want to keep the image size to a minimum...
[14:00] <ogra_> cyphermox_, no recommends on touch ... that seed change will only affect desktop
[14:01] <cyphermox_> ogra_: same idea applies
[14:01] <ogra_> (so it will actually free up space on the touch image to make it a recommends)
[14:01] <cyphermox_> yes, that's what I meant
[14:01] <ogra_> ah
[14:01]  * ogra_ read it the other way round, sorry :)
[14:02] <cyphermox_> np ;)
[14:07] <Laney> ogra_: I'm talking about the principle that this seed shouldn't be used to pull examples
[14:09] <ogra_> well, yeah, it might make sense to push it to sdk-libs-dev instead
[14:13] <popey> mterry_: (process:5206): libecal-CRITICAL **: time_days_in_month: assertion 'year >= 1900' failed
[14:13] <popey> oops
[14:13] <popey> mhall119: ^^
[14:14] <mterry_> phew  :)
[14:14] <Tassadar> ogra_: I take it the build tools for ubuntu touch images are friendly enough that I could make a ZIP file with rootfs and the rsalveti's ppas withouth too much of a hassle, right?
[14:14] <ogra_> apt-get install qemu-user-static zip bzr
[14:15] <ogra_> bzr branch lp:project-rootstock-ng
[14:15] <ogra_> cd project-rootstock-ng
[14:15] <ogra_> ./rootstock-touch -p ppa:rsalveti/ppa
[14:15] <ogra_> (wait 2h or more)
[14:15] <ogra_> grab the zip from the out-* dir
[14:16] <mhall119> nik90: is there a way for me to easily delete the clock's Alarms data?
[14:17] <nik90> mhall119: not that I know of since the database is handled by EDS directly
[14:17] <Tassadar> ogra_: thanks. How much disk space does it need? I suppose it doesn't build anything, just downloads the packages, right?
[14:18] <ogra_> Tassadar, right, but it unpacks all the packages ... 5-6G should work
[14:18] <mhall119> nik90: just filed a bug, my clock app keeps freezing after load
[14:18] <popey> nik90: that errr i pasted above was spinning in clock
[14:18] <mhall119> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1276167
[14:19] <Tassadar> hmm, I'll make ubuntu chroot in here for that, it would take a bit too long in virtualbox)
[14:19] <mhall119> nik90: I suspect it has something to do with my old saves Alarms, or possibly something from my calendar because I've used syncevolution to pull in my google calendar events
[14:19] <Laney> ogra_: I'm going to move it there
[14:19] <ogra_> Laney, ++
[14:19]  * Laney DTRT™
[14:20] <nik90> mhall119: hmm there were 2 commits to EDS related to alarms and calendar
[14:21] <nik90> mhall119: could one of them be the issue? I dont see the error or freeze on my end
[14:21] <nik90> mhall119: I have about 4 alarms saved both single and recurring ones
[14:22] <nik90> renato: do you recognise the error message at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1276167
[14:22] <mhall119> nik90: could be in EDS, feel free to add it to the bug
[14:23] <mhall119> I just updated to r161
[14:29] <nik90> mhall119: rev 161?
[14:29] <mhall119> ~
[14:29] <nik90> mhall119: the EDS is at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtorganizer5-eds/trunk
[14:30] <nik90> mhall119: also can you try reproducing the bug on the desktop since clock app has not been updated on phone yet
[14:30] <nik90> and is behind by several revs
[14:31] <mhall119> nik90: can I run it with qmlscene from the branch?
[14:31] <mhall119> or does it need to be installed as a click
[14:31] <nik90> mhall119: you can run using qmlscene
[14:34] <mhall119> nik90: it doesn't freeze, but I had no alarms saves on desktop, and I can't save any now
[14:37] <nik90> mhall119: can you tell me which version of EDS you are running -> apt-cache policy qtorganizer5-eds
[14:37] <nik90> mhall119: it was a EDS bug that got fixed only in rev 29. But the update hasn't landed yet in 13.10. It landed in 14.04
[14:38] <nik90> mhall119: only with that the alarms will save reliably. Popey and I had this issue before
[14:39] <mhall119> [CLOCK] Alarm Database loaded^M
[14:39] <mhall119> [CLOCK] AlarmPage loaded^M
[14:39] <mhall119> [CLOCK] No Alarms Present^M
[14:39] <mhall119> from my device
[14:39] <mhall119> so many there weren't saves alarms
[14:40] <mhall119> qtorganizer5-eds: Installed: 0.1.1+14.04.20140131-0ubuntu1
[14:40] <mhall119> on my phone
[14:40] <mhall119> qtorganizer5-eds: Installed: 0.1.1+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1
[14:40] <mhall119> qtorganizer5-eds: Installed: 0.1.1+13.10.20131011-0ubuntu1
[14:40] <mhall119> on my desktop
[14:41] <mhall119> ok, so that explains the not saving on my desktop
[14:41] <mhall119> but still there's something wrong on my phone
[14:41] <nik90> mhall119: I tested the latest EDS package on the phone as requested by renato. The alarms saved fine and also I did not experience any crashes.
[14:42] <nik90> mhall119: I have a feeling that the calendar database is somehow interacting with the clock app alarms causing the issue you have
[14:42] <nik90> mhall119: was popey able to reproduce it?
[14:43]  * popey is having other issues
[14:44] <cwayne_> bfiller, is there any eta for gallery-as-a-click?
[14:44] <nik90> popey: I hope not with the clock app
[14:44] <popey> no
[14:55] <mhall119> nik90: it was the old alarms
[14:55] <mhall119> I used syncevolution to clear out items in the Alarms database in EDS, and now clock doesn't freeze or spit out that error
[14:56] <mhall119> it's very slow though, seems to wait on EDS a lot
[14:57] <mhall119> saving an alarm, for example, jut took like 15 seconds to save it, during which the app was frozen
[14:58] <mhall119> nik90: feel free to 'wontfix' this bug if you think it's not worth making code changes for old, unsupported alarms data
[15:00] <nik90> mhall119: ah okay
[15:00] <nik90> mhall119: I recently saved a few alarms using the new EDS, it takes about 1-2 seconds to do the saving. It is not instant, but 1-2 seconds seems fine to me
[15:00] <nik90> mhall119: and this was testing on the phone.
[15:01] <nik90> mhall119: it could be that when there are several calendar events like in real life, EDS could take longer to process but I have no data to support that.
[15:06] <dobey> mhall119: is that at the embassy downtown? or are you all way out by disney again?
[15:09] <mhall119> dobey: by disney again
[15:09] <mhall119> just down the road from the UDS hotel
[15:10] <dobey> ah
[15:20] <mhall119> bzoltan: find /home/mhall/ -name *img
[15:25] <mhall119> bzoltan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1276205
[15:34] <mhr3_> fginther, hey, i have a mp from a non-canonical contributor, is there a way i can get ci to run tests on his branch without top-approving it?
[15:38] <fginther> mhr3_, we prefer not to as it abuses the process that's already in place
[15:42] <mhr3_> fginther, and here i thought that part of the process is that the reviewer has also test results available when doing review
[15:44] <fginther> mhr3_, the problem is that to many reviews have the approach of "I'll approve this as soon as I see the tests pass." This is the wrong approach because if the MP is approved and the test pass all is well and the exact same outcome occurs. If the test fail, then the MP is blocked and there are test results available for review.
[15:46] <fginther> mhr3_, If something else is needed, like the binaries CI produces, than i don't mind manually triggering the tests
[15:48] <mhr3_> fginther, so what you're saying ultimately is that the reviewer is responsible to get the branch and run the tests on his machine, which already means that 66% of the tests don't run, and reviewer wasted bunch of time anyway
[15:52] <fginther> mhr3_, not quite. The common case in the past has been that a reviewer has lower approved an MP, but does not want to top approve without seeing the tests pass. This is the case where there is no need to manually run the tests (the reviewer already has approved them). If on the hand, you have a complex review and don't want to even start looking at it without tests, than that is a different use case
[15:52] <asac> rsalveti: there?
[15:53] <fginther> mhr3_, I just need to reset expectations on this and make sure we do this for the right use cases.
[15:54] <mhr3_> fginther, i still don't get what the "right" use case is though
[15:54] <cwayne_> does phablet-screenshot not work on manta?
[16:05] <rsalveti> asac: yup
[16:05] <rsalveti> :-)
[16:11] <ybon> Anyone running UT on PengPod 1000 by chance?
[16:13] <FuLgOrE> ah rsalveti, you are online now :)
[16:14] <rsalveti> FuLgOrE: yup, but don't have any update for you yet, still debugging the issue
[16:14] <FuLgOrE> How is your N5 wifi fix?
[16:14] <FuLgOrE> ah I see
[16:14] <rsalveti> also debugging the slow boot
[16:15] <FuLgOrE> for the slow boot I got some information which kernel parameter should be changed. do you need these information?
[16:17] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: If you release a new zip, will you write an email with the link? I'll go to bed soon and would like to flash a new image as soon as it is released :D
[16:19] <rsalveti> FuLgOrE: sure
[16:19] <FuLgOrE> cool thx
[16:21] <FuLgOrE> rsalveti: Tassadar gave me the information how to fix the long booting time: [22:05] <Tassadar> FuLgOrE: if you know how to change kernel command line in boot.img, you can also speed up the boot - replace "console=ttyHS0something" with "console=tty0"
[16:21] <rsalveti> right, just not sure yet what is causing that
[16:21] <Tassadar> I'm waiting for gerrit, so that I can submit it
[16:21] <rsalveti> might be a kernel config
[16:22] <rsalveti> I'm just pushing the repos for review as we speak
[16:22] <Tassadar> rsalveti: it does the same thing on android - when something writes stdout in init, it goes to /dev/console, which goes to the serial console driver, which blocks for 30s if nothing is connected to UART on the device
[16:23] <rsalveti> right
[16:23] <FuLgOrE> sounds good. I also hope the sound issue can be fixed soon. :)
[16:23] <Tassadar> don't even ask how long it took for me to figure this out -.-
[16:23] <FuLgOrE> good luck to all of you!
[16:24] <cwayne_> stgraber, ping
[16:24] <stgraber> cwayne_: pong
[16:25] <cwayne_> stgraber, hey, is there any way to flash the custom tarball without it being signed, without having to fastboot flash a hacked recovery?
[16:25] <cwayne_> like some sort of developer mode or something
[16:25] <FuLgOrE> see you, guys. bye
[16:25] <cwayne_> asking for when people try out the customization stuff themselves, and want to try it on a phone locally
[16:25] <stgraber> cwayne_: well, you could remount your device read-write, then just unpack the custom tarball on top of /
[16:26] <stgraber> cwayne_: if a full tarball, first wipe /custom and then unpack the tarball
[16:26] <cwayne_> but there's no official mechanism planned? like a dev-mode or anything?
[16:35] <stgraber> cwayne_: no
[16:35] <cwayne_> stgraber, hm, ok thanks
[16:36] <dpm> hi thostr_, so I shared the alarms notification screenshot with nik90 (who was quite happy with it :) - regarding the notification sound, he was mentioning: " the alarms API by default uses the default ringtone unless I (user) specifies it"
[16:45] <nik90> dpm: oh btw, what happens when you click the show button in that notification? Does it open the alarms page?
[18:23] <mterry> elopio, does your new click app install AP test use U1 credentials that are already in place?  I thought we wanted to test needing to open the system settings dialog
[18:49] <kaimast> hi, is there a way to have custom page titles? i would like to have either an icon besides the name or a subtitle
[19:10] <cwayne_> anyone tried phablet-screenshot on a manta?
[19:10] <cwayne_> mhall119, ^
[19:20] <cwayne_> where do i log bugs against sidestage? unity8?
[19:21] <kaimast> ping: is there a way to have custom page titles? i would like to have either an icon besides the name or a subtitle
[19:38] <Bray90820> If you don't care about a camera or bluetooth would you say ubuntu touch is good enough to be used as a daily driver on the 2012 nexus 7
[19:44] <kaimast> Bray90820: if you don't rely on email or jabber you should be fine.
[19:44] <Bray90820> Why email
[19:44] <cwayne_> email's fine in the webapp
[19:44] <Bray90820> You mean gmail?
[19:44] <ogra_> fsvo fine :P
[19:44] <kaimast> (only got a gnexus but I suppose performance should be fine)
[19:45] <kaimast> what webapp cwayne_ ?
[19:45] <cwayne_> kaimast, gmail, or any other web-based email should be fine
[19:45] <ogra_> there is only gmail (as app) ...
[19:45] <kaimast> oh i self host my mails and don't have a webapp... also i rely on mail notifications
[19:45] <ogra_> though making a webapp for your preferred webmail is a matter of 10min
[19:46] <kaimast> yeah maybe i should setup a webapp on my webspace. but still i wouldn't have any notifications
[19:46] <ogra_> kaimast, i wish there was a properly working libimap :)
[19:46]  * ogra_ would waste his weekends to writa a proper imap client
[19:47] <kaimast> well mail isn't even that important to me. but no im client is really a bummer
[19:47] <kaimast> sadly i cannot find any time to work on xmpp-support :(
[19:47] <ogra_> just write a plugin for firends
[19:47] <ogra_> *friends
[19:47] <kaimast> well friends is for microblogging not for im
[19:48] <kaimast> i would expect the messaging-app to have xmpp support as it already uses telepathy
[19:48] <kaimast> anyways there is still so much TODOs for friends that i cannot work on anything else
[19:53] <kaimast> is there an unoffical channel for the gnexus now that support has ended? or some kind of community support?
[19:53] <ogra_> i think here is best
[19:53] <ogra_> ask on the mailing list if someone founded something like that
[19:54] <kaimast> or is there maybe a way to build images yourself?
[19:54] <ogra_> working on it :)
[19:55] <kaimast> okay cool
[19:55] <kaimast> the gnexus is still a really powerful device, don't really want to waste money on a new phone
[19:55] <ogra_> well, did you use ubuntu touch ever on an N4 ?
[19:56] <ogra_> it is like night and day
[19:56] <kaimast> i had to disable mir on the gnexus and now it is really smooth
[19:56]  * ogra_ has both ... but i would never use the gnex for daily use (which i do with the N4)
[19:56] <Tassadar> ogra_: by the way, when I tried to build that rootfs ZIP in trusty chroot (under debian), it failed after some time with this message http://hastebin.com/jekewamoye.vhdl
[19:56] <Tassadar> I don't need to build it anymore, just thought maybe you're insterested in results of that script
[19:57] <kaimast> ah you commented on that bug :D
[19:57] <kaimast> so i guess you know of the mir problems
[19:57] <sphinxuser> hello everyone, and I have a question: Is Nexus 7 2013 images being built on daily basis or is there any instructions on how to build one?
[19:57] <kaimast> well i think it runs really smooth. apps need some time to startup but i can live with that
[19:57] <ogra_> Tassadar, hmm, smells like you ended up with debian archive
[19:57] <sphinxuser> and, BTW, Ubuntu Tocuh wiki says is doesn't support Nexus 2013 devices yet
[19:57] <ogra_> Tassadar, thanks, i'll make sure that only ubuntu releases are allowed
[19:58] <mhall119> cwayne_: I don't have a manta, so I don't know
[19:58] <Tassadar> ogra_: qemu also shows this every now and then: "qemu: Unsupported syscall: 374"
[19:58] <ogra_> sphinxuser, we are about to switch to an android 4.4 driver base, with that the old N7 will become unsupported and the 2013 version will become the default for the 7" form factor
[19:58] <ogra_> Tassadar, yeah, ignore that ... :)
[19:59] <Tassadar> thought so)
[19:59] <ogra_> syscalls.h says "old kernel" for 374
[19:59] <ogra_> (wether it checks for an old kernel or just is from an old kernel implementation isnt really clear to me, but both should be ignorable)
[20:01] <sphinxuser> ogra_, so N7 2013 is not _yet_ supported? I've found an image on xda with Trusty Tahr for it
[20:01] <ogra_> sphinxuser, we have some experimental images ... one sec
[20:03] <ogra_> sphinxuser, read that thread https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg06116.html
[20:03] <ogra_> with luck we can switch next week, then the new N7 will be a supported target and be installable with the supported tools
[20:06] <Tassadar> are you thinking of making maybe weekly builds to system-image system for N5? it works pretty well, even though you don't target it specifically
[20:06] <sphinxuser> ogra_, thanks, I'll monitor that one then
[20:06] <ogra_> sphinxuser, follow that one, but ignore point 5-11 and just use http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-touch-4.4.2-mir.rootfs-armhf.zip, that has all the changes included
[20:06] <ogra_> Tassadar, no, but rootstock will support it ... and i expect us to ship the android bits inside the android package actually
[20:07] <elopio> mterry: it doesn't. We should have a test for all the user story, but that shouldn't be a part of the click scope project.
[20:07] <elopio> maybe a part of ubuntu-test-cases.
[20:08] <mterry> elopio, sorry, to be clear (because my original question was poorly worded), the current test doesn't open system-settings and make a new user and all that jazz?
[20:09] <elopio> mterry: it talks directly to gi.repository.Accounts, and fakes the SSO server so we don't need a real user.
[20:10] <elopio> next steps are to set up a job daily or something like that that uses the staging server.
[20:10] <mterry> elopio, hrm.  The creation of a new user in the system-settings window was the bit that was failing with nested mode
[20:11] <elopio> mterry: we have tests for the u1 credentials UI
[20:11] <mterry> elopio, but we could add a new test that was more targeted for that kind of failure without actually going through the new user process...
[20:11] <elopio> so what we are missing is a test that integrates everything.
[20:11] <mterry> elopio, yeah, this was a weird failure situation though.  It specifically required the system-settings to be launched via dbus (not upstart) and then try to swipe it away
[20:13] <elopio> mterry: but for that case, we don't really need the click scope, right?
[20:13] <elopio> we can launch system settings via dbus from a python script.
[20:13] <mterry> elopio, no we don't, I think the idea was just that it might be nice to test that flow anyway.  We can hack something up that does it more directly
[20:13] <elopio> mterry: I think we need everything.
[20:14] <mterry> elopio, what do you mean?
[20:14] <elopio> I mean, this tests for the scope are required. And while writing them, now we have the helpers needed to test the user story that involves the system settings UI.
[20:15] <kaimast> m( when i try to update cyanogenmod it reboots into ubuntu
[20:16] <elopio> mterry: now I don't know what's more important to do next, write this high level test for the user story, or write the one for system settings launched from dbus?
[20:16] <mterry> elopio, um, short term I'm super interested in just getting something that tests the dbus launched app's integration with Mir.  It's blocking the nested mode landing
[20:17] <sphinxuser> updates doesn't seem to be working on N7 2013 (Settings -> Updates)
[20:17] <mterry> elopio, I don't know how much more work that would be vs the high level test.  I'm assuming it would be faster?
[20:17] <elopio> mterry: yes, probably. I can do it, I'll just need somebody to explain to me how to launch an app through dbus.
[20:18] <elopio> do you have time tomorrow to work on it with me?
[20:18] <mterry> elopio, I'm not sure what's happening in the code there, but yes, I can make time to help for sure
[20:18] <kaimast> anybody else having problems iwth updateing android when dual booting?
[20:18] <mterry> elopio, this stuff is priority #1 for me  :)
[20:19] <elopio> mterry: ok, I'll ping you first thing tomorrow.
[20:39] <gnuts> hello a quick question, sorry if it has been answered. I've been googling and found out that touch will not be supported on the gen one nexus 7 any more, that only the 2013(flo) will be supported. the touch install page says that the 2013 is not supportedwhich is true?.
[21:07] <dholbach> hey hey ralsina_, is 1237992 on your (or somebody's) radar right now?
[21:23] <trump> Is it possible to install Touch on Galaxy Note 10.1 2014?
[21:24] <charles> ChickenCutlass: ping
[21:27] <kaimast> is there a way to just use apt-get on ubuntu touch?
[21:28] <cwayne_> adb shell; mount -o rw,remount /; apt-get update; apt-get install foo
[21:28] <cwayne_> kaimast, ^
[21:28] <cwayne_> not recommended though
[21:28] <cwayne_> can break OTA updates etc
[21:29] <kaimast> they are broken for me anywas
[21:29] <kaimast> i always get some signature error
[21:30] <kaimast> guess it is ubuntus way of telling me that the gnexus isn't supported anymore
[21:31] <cwayne_> it still is for now AFAIK
[21:32] <kaimast> mmmh no idea what is going on then
[21:36] <ChickenCutlass> charles: pong
[21:37] <trump> Do Ubuntu Touch use the kernel which is on the device or use its own kernel?
[21:47] <harris> who pinged me
[21:49] <harris> hi is the nexus 7 2013 getting 14.04
[21:49] <cwayne_> harris, yes
[21:50] <harris> is there a wiki link
[21:52] <harris> cwayne_,
[22:17] <gnuts> Hello everyone,nexus 7 youplease point me to an image for the  (2013)?
[22:18] <gnuts> Sorry, that was supposed to read: Hello everyone, could someone please point me to an image for the nexus 7  (2013)?
[22:19] <harris> yea i have nexus 7 2013 looking fo too
[22:34] <ajalkane_> howto ssh into ubuntu touch emulator?
[22:35] <popey> ajalkane_: adb shell sudo -u phablet start ssh
[22:35] <popey> we dont ship with ssh enabled by default I believe
[22:35] <popey> might be able to adb shell start ssh
[22:36] <harris> popey,  what does the ubuntu touch emulater do
[22:36] <ajalkane_> popey: I'm getting "error: device not found". I'm pretty sure I got this working with "adb forward ..." instruction from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator earlier
[22:37] <ajalkane_> But now I'm just getting error
[22:37] <popey> shouldn't need adb forward
[22:37] <popey> well, you can do it that way
[22:37] <popey> harris: emulates a phone basically
[22:37] <harris> is it an app and do you need root
[22:38] <popey> it's a package you install
[22:38] <harris> on phone on desktop?
[22:38] <popey> desktop/laptop
[22:38] <harris> and it turns laptop into phone cool how do i try
[22:38] <popey> no
[22:38] <popey> it emulates a phone in a window
[22:38] <ajalkane_> I'm just getting error: device not found, no matter if I run the command on phablet or desktop
[22:39] <kaimast> uuh haptic feedback :)
[22:39] <harris> ok how do i try
[22:39] <popey> there's a package called ubuntu-emulator in trusty
[22:39] <popey> ajalkane_: i think that guide may be outdated. .. let me see
[22:40] <popey> ajalkane_: does adb shell work?
[22:40] <harris> i have a nexus 7 2013 will it get fully stable ubuntu touch 14.04
[22:40] <harris> error: device not found
[22:40] <ajalkane_> popey: I'm logged into phablet@ubuntu-phablet, I assume that's the adb shell
[22:41] <popey> ajalkane_: cool
[22:41] <popey> ajalkane_: inside there, just do "start ssh" - what happens?
[22:41] <ajalkane_> popey: "unknown job: ssh"
[22:41] <popey> ajalkane_: oh, "start sshd"?
[22:41] <ajalkane_> Same result
[22:41] <popey> charles: I have an oddity on my desktop. I am seeing click info com.ubuntu.clock (amongst a lot of other stuff) running as lightdm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6875703/
[22:42] <harris> i ran adb shell sudo -u phablet start ssh
[22:42] <harris> i got a device not found error
[22:43] <cwayne_> plars, any idea whats going on with the tests? lots of failures
[22:43] <charles> popey: indicator-datetime was running click to get the manifest info of com.ubuntu.clock to get its icon name; that's been fixed in the alarms branch that's pending
[22:43] <popey> charles: ok
[22:43] <charles> so that's a side-effect of indicator-datetime being on that list
[22:44] <ajalkane_> I did in phablet apt-get install ssh, but still star ssh[d] fails
[22:44] <ajalkane_> * start
[22:44] <popey> hmm
[22:44] <popey> sorry, i don't know, not used the emulator much yet. will have a play
[22:45] <plars> cwayne: yes, known problem
[22:45] <plars> cwayne: it should be all system-settle stuff for the most part
[22:46] <plars> cwayne: see ubuntu-ci-eng for the discussion on it
[22:46] <ajalkane_> in anyway, I'd imagine some forwarding needs to be done, otherwise how could I connect in the same host to the emulator. But the damn device not found bugs me
[22:46] <popey> charles: running click repeatedly is eating my battery ☹
[22:47]  * popey sudo killall -u lightdm
[22:49] <harris> i got a device not found error
[22:51] <kaimast> irgs:  unable to make backup link of `./lib/udev/rules.d/70-android.rules' before installing new version: Invalid cross-device link
[22:51] <kaimast> think this broke something :D
[22:54] <popey> ajalkane_: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo service ssh start
[22:54] <popey> ssh start/running, process 1315
[22:56] <ajalkane_> popey: that worked. But still, how can I after that ssh into the emulator from desktop?
[22:56] <popey> ajalkane_: the adb forward should work
[22:57] <ajalkane_> popey: I'm still getting "error: device not found"
[22:57] <popey> i think this is a question for xnox ajalkane_ ☹
[22:57] <xnox> ajalkane_: no ssh support on the emulator, use adb only.
[22:58] <popey> ah, thanks xnox
[22:58] <xnox> ajalkane_: and even if we enable it, it will be painfully slow as it will do text translation of raw ssh packets into faked up 3G networking over text based qemu pipe =/
[22:59] <ajalkane_> xnox: basically I want to transfer a click package to the emulator. What's the correct procedure for that?
[22:59] <xnox> kaimast: don't use apt to upgrade images, use system-image upgrade. In case of emulator, start a new one.
[22:59] <xnox> ajalkane_: adb push foo.click /home/phablet/
[22:59] <xnox> ajalkane_: similarly there is adb pull command to copy files off emulator back to your machine.
[23:00] <ajalkane_> xnox: I'm getting "error: device not found"
[23:00] <ajalkane_> adb push com.ubuntu.developer.ken-vandine.hub-importer_0.1_all.click /home/phablet/
[23:00] <ajalkane_> error: device not found
[23:00] <xnox> ajalkane_: well what does $ adb devices, say?
[23:00] <xnox> ajalkane_: and is your emulator running?!
[23:01] <xnox> (it should fully boot to unity8 lock screen)
[23:01] <xnox> (and not be frozen)
[23:01] <ajalkane_> xnox: empty listing... but now it seems emulator is showing black screen. I'll try rebooting it.
[23:06] <harris> xnox,  what about here
[23:06] <xnox> harris: read my messages above, do not use nor rely on ssh. Just use adb, it's more reliable.
[23:07] <harris> adb devices showed a blank list
[23:07] <xnox> harris: and also follow steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[23:07] <xnox> harris: well, then you don't have any device connected nor any emulator running on the machine where you are running adb devices.
[23:08] <harris> harrisrubin@harrisrubin-HP-Pavilion-dv6000-RP296UA-ABA:~$
[23:09] <harris> how do i start the emulator
[23:11] <harris> xnox, ^^^
[23:12] <xnox>  harris https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Emulator
[23:13] <harris> what section
[23:41] <barry> thomi: hi!  getting back to py3 ap now.  any thoughts on https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/window-mocker/py3qt5/+merge/204238 ?
[23:43] <thomi> hi barry, I've been sick with the flu for a while, so I may be a little slow today :)
[23:43] <thomi> barry: how does this block your AP branch?
[23:43] <thomi> oh, because the tests don't pass  without window-mocker in py3 land
[23:43] <barry> thomi: bummer!  hope you're feeling better.  ... yep
[23:44] <thomi> barry: cgoldberg's branch makes windowmocker py3 *and* Qt5, which we need anyway, so can we not merge his branch?
[23:45] <barry> thomi: yeah, mine does the same.  iiuc, cgoldberg's branch makes py2/py3 optional and qt4/qt5 optional.  i can't speak to the utility of the latter, but i definitely think it should be py3 only
[23:45] <barry> (given that we want to eradicate py2 from touch)
[23:45] <thomi> barry: we can't make it py2 only because unity7 uses the API, and it's py2 only. I don't see a problem with it being bilingual?
[23:45] <thomi> ahhh
[23:45] <thomi> hmm
[23:46] <thomi> well, it won't get installed by default, and none of the Touch acceptance test suites will need it
[23:46] <barry> thomi: does unity7 use window-mocker as other than an application?  i.e. it exports an importable api?
[23:46] <thomi> just autopilot itself, so perhaps we can get away with installing that one py2 library in that one case?
[23:46] <thomi> barry: yeah, it uses the python API.
[23:47] <thomi> IIRC, it creates a Gtk plugin that does things only the Gtk toolkit can (odd window states and soforth)
[23:47] <barry> thomi: then i guess we do need the library to be (temporarily) bilingual.  but /usr/bin/window-mocker should be py3
[23:47] <barry> thomi: i could only find it being used as an app, i.e. exec'ing /usr/bin/window-mocker
[23:48] <thomi> barry: let me checkout lp:unity, and make sure my information is still up to date, one second
[23:48] <barry> np
[23:50] <thomi> my internet is so... slow...
[23:50] <barry> ;}
[23:51] <thomi> still fetching unity
[23:51] <cwayne_> thomi, any update on the ual stuff in ap?
[23:51] <thomi> cwayne_: I'm actively working on it. It's... a lot more work than I expected :-/
[23:52] <thomi> cwayne_: it's got a few dependencies as well, but it should be there before too long
[23:52] <cwayne_> thomi, awesome, thanks :)
[23:52] <thomi> sorry for the delay!
[23:53] <barry> thomi: yeesh.  lp:unity is *huge*
[23:54] <thomi> they must be hiding something in there...
[23:54] <thomi> yay! finished
[23:55] <barry> thomi: yep, i got it too.  okay, if i'm reading the code correctly, it's crazy :)  it imports windowmocker just to see if it's available.  there are definitely better ways to do that
[23:56] <thomi> barry: in test_search.py
[23:57] <thomi> barry: hmmm, so I can't find that code any more
[23:57] <thomi> bschaefer: do you remember writing that? It hink it was you? ^^
[23:57] <barry> thomi: yeah, the only *import* of windowmocker i could find was in tests/autopilot/unity/tests/__init__.py, but see above
[23:57] <thomi> bschaefer: the window-mocker Gtk backend that did funny window states for the unity7 AP test suite?
[23:57] <bschaefer> writing which thing
[23:58] <barry> and if all it does is exec /usr/bin/window-mocker, then it doesn't matter.  imports *should* be the only thing that matters
[23:58] <olli> do we support Raspberry Pi or other similar boards with Ubuntu Touch?
[23:58] <bschaefer> thomi, hmm i don't remember writing the window mocker
[23:59] <thomi> barry: agreed.  I want to be sure though, let's see if bschaefer's memory is better than mine
[23:59] <olli> ogra_, rsalveti ^?
[23:59]  * barry nods
[23:59] <thomi> hmmmmm
[23:59]  * rsalveti reads
[23:59] <rsalveti> olli: no, we only support devices that are >= armv7


[10:56] <nlsthzn> Why does nobody like to do the loco news summaries :p
[15:05] <pleia2> hehe
[16:01] <nlsthzn> Awesome to see a UGJ from Tunisia but the link isn't in english?! http://blog.nizarus.org/2011/09/ubuntu-global-jam-en-tunisie
[16:01] <nlsthzn> Also akgraner's site is also not loading :(
[16:06] <akgraner> pleia2, Pete's home so were are going food shopping and stuff - then while he has head in the redzone soaking up an afternoon of football I'll jump into the googledoc and wiki :-)
[18:29] <pleia2> akgraner: cool, thanks, I'll be home in 7 hours or so (at solano stroll now)
[21:11] <Myrtti> whoops
[21:11] <Myrtti> I was planning to do some summary editing, but then this bookkeeping lark sucked me in


[09:27] <rmg51> Morning
[09:53] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[12:16] <jedijf> yes


[02:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, to answer your question further, doesn't look like it: https://salsa.debian.org/multimedia-team/ardour/-/blob/master/debian/control
[02:52] <Eickmeyer> Might be new to 6.3 then.
[03:31] <OvenWerks> yeah I just noticed it the last time I did a ./waf configure
[14:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: so are you moved yet? (as in out of the old and at the new... if not set up at the new)
[20:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: KIndof. I have my infrastructure quasi-set-up, but we're on butt-slow DSL. Downloading our ISO takes several hours. Upgrade coming soon, but my mother-in-law doesn't want to upgrade her internet, so we're going behind her back and ordering separate cable internet for ourselves.
[20:54] <OvenWerks> but beds to sleep on... table to eat at and stuff like that?
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> Oh yeah, we've got that.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> When we get into our own place it will be a matter of buying new furniture and stuff like that. We do intend to buy a house in this area.