[17:39] <ioka> if I delete the new parition will that fix the problem?
[17:40] <blueglasses> ioka, if you delete a partition you lose all data on it
[17:40] <phaidros> penguin42: hm, it show up in cups dialog, but as raw printer, no driver nothing
[17:40] <ioka> no the data does not go away until it is formated
[17:40] <penguin42> phaidros: So I suggest now going to the tool and editing the driver it will use
[17:40] <ioka> so the data is still there
[17:40] <webbb82> when i run update manager i get this
[17:40] <webbb82> The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct.
[17:40] <kandjar> where cna I find the explanation of the different package options to install?
[17:40] <ioka> I just need to make it visible
[17:41] <xrandr> most netgear pci wireless cards are supported, right?
[17:41] <webbb82> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:41] <webbb82> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[17:41] <penguin42> ioka: No, your problem is the partition is there but the very start of the actual data is corrupt
[17:41] <webbb82> any ideas why
[17:41] <blueglasses> ioka, how can you see a partiotion you have erased?
[17:41] <ioka> in test disk
[17:41] <ioka> it shows two partitions
[17:41] <ioka> the fist one is the right one
[17:41] <ioka> the second one is bad
[17:41] <phaidros> penguin42: nope, all greyed out, nothing to change except file:/dev/usblp0. and if I change it to something supid it get again: 'client-error-not-possible' and in the logs: Returning IPP client-error-not-possible for CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer (ipp://localhost/printers/HP2) from localhost
[17:41] <jdahm> it seems like my volume control is controlling both pcm and master, is there a way to bind it to just master?
[17:42] <blueglasses> ioka, you can safelly erase one and all its data goes with it
[17:42] <kandjar> i mean: during the install process, you reach a page called "Software selection"; where can I fing details about the different options?
[17:42] <phaidros> so why again is hal being kicked out??
[17:42] <phaidros> it was hard to get that damn adapter running with hal, but seems impossible without o.O
[17:43] <blueglasses> ioka, believe me its kind of hard to recover data from an erased partition, and... a partition is not a disk, its part of the disk
[17:43] <timber> can someone tell me the location of the icon folder?
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, you can divide the disk in many partitions, wich one is independent from the rest
[17:44] <penguin42> phaidros: Not sure then, I'm not sure where the rest of the config comes from
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, you can divide the disk in many partitions, each one is independent from the rest
[17:44] <ioka> yes I know that
[17:44] <phaidros> hm
[17:44] <blueglasses> ioka, ok so what is your problem?
[17:45] <Arelis> I've upgraded Ubuntu to Karmic Koala a week ago. How close in quality is it to the final release now?
[17:45] <maco> Arelis: its release cndidate. youre practically thre
[17:45] <penguin42> Arelis: There are still a few fixes but not many - when I updated today I got a chunk of updates that had happened in the last week
[17:46] <blueglasses> ioka, if you dont want a partition or the data on it, just erase it and create a new one
[17:46] <Pilif12p> Why wont it let me move a file?
[17:46] <Arelis> maco: Okay. And what applications should I remove and install to get the default application list of Karmic Koala?
[17:46] <Pilif12p> (Via terminal)
[17:46] <phaidros> btw I am running karmic since june on my thinkpad. most of the time she was like a charme :)
[17:46] <maco> !puregnome | Arelis
[17:46] <maco> oh dang
[17:46] <ioka> I want to unchange what that command did : echo "chmod ugo+rwx" > /dev/sda2
[17:46] <blueglasses> timber, use locate icon
[17:46] <maco> *shrug*
[17:46] <timber> blueglasses: how can i use it?
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, or locate icons
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, open a console from applications acessories
[17:47] <blueglasses> timber, and type locate icons
[17:47] <penguin42> ioka: Did fsck.msdos do anything?
[17:48] <timber> blueglasses: i got it, thanks
[17:48] <blueglasses> timber, or simply use places-->search files; icons
[17:48] <blueglasses> timber, you are welcome
[17:48] <Pilif12p> nevermind
[17:48] <Pilif12p> im an idiot
[17:48] <Pilif12p> i had it cd'd ;D
[17:49] <penguin42> timber: /usr/share/icons has many
[17:49] <timber> blueglasses: is there a way to find specifically the folder icons? i wanna find these new icons that came in the /home folders
[17:50] <penguin42> timber: /usr/share/pixmaps also has some
[17:50] <timber> penguin42: thanks, i found it
[17:51] <blueglasses> timber, try searching /home for icons
[17:51] <_dr> hi, is there a way to change the user icon displayed by gdm?
[17:51] <timber> blueglasses: already found, they are on /usr/share/icons like penguin42 said
[17:51] <timber> blueglasses: thanks
[17:52] <blueglasses> timber, you are welcome
[17:52] <ioka> penguin42: is that a linux command  "fsck.msdos"
[17:52] <penguin42> ioka: Yes
[17:52] <ioka> I'll try
[17:52] <timber> someone could tell me if is there a way to turn off the case sensitive in nautilus?
[17:52] <penguin42> ioka: I think to be honest you have a low chance of getting any data on sda2 back
[17:52] <timber> like is on terminal?
[17:53] <mzz> err, what?
[17:53] <mzz> are you talking about sort order or what?
[17:53] <k5ehx> timber: in what sense?
[17:53] <k5ehx> timber: if you wanted it changed in all ways you would need to use a case insensitive file system
[17:54] <kandjar> is there a webpage which describes the different package options you have when you reach the "software selection" page during the ububtu install????
[17:54] <timber> k5ehx: well, when i press CTRL+L i can type the location and is auto-completed when i press TAB, i wanna make as same occurs on terminal, with insensitive case
[17:55] <timber> like this http://gaarai.com/2009/02/08/case-insensitive-tabbing-in-ubuntu-terminal/
[17:55] <mzz> my terminal's quite case sensitive
[17:55] <k5ehx> never heard of case insensitive tab completion
[17:55] <mzz> I suspect to make ctrl+l do what you want you'd have to patch nautilus, but I could be wrong
[17:55] <mzz> k5ehx: well, completion's programmable, so I'm not surprised you can hack it up to do this
[17:56] <ripps> is it possible to run ubuntu and fedora side-by-side, sharing a /home?
[17:56] <TDJACR> ripps: Yes
[17:56] <TDJACR> ripps: But your configs can get messy
[17:57] <Ian_Corne> unless you use kde fedora :p
[17:57] <xrandr> 4 days till 9.10 becomes a stable release distro, right?
[17:57] <TDJACR> xrandr: Yes
[17:57] <Ian_Corne> yes
[17:57] <zash> !isitoutyet
[17:57] <zash> meh
[17:57] <xrandr> !seen ubottu
[17:58] <timber> !case
[17:58] <timber> !sensitive
[17:58] <xrandr> !ubottu
[17:58] <k5ehx> timber: the search in nautilus is already case insensitive
[17:58] <zash> !out
[17:58] <k5ehx> timber: use Ctrl+F
[17:58] <ripps> The reason I'm interested is because it seems the bulkt of ati driver work is done in fedora, and it might be easier to file and fix bugs upstream from there.
[17:59] <timber> k5ehx: did you type CTRL+L? i want that insensitive
[17:59] <timber> k5ehx: the CTRL+F isn't useful for me
[18:00] <ioka> there is a record of the old partition on the disk.would that be of any use?
[18:03] <Amaranth> ioka: You have a backup of the FAT table?
[18:03] <ioka> maybe
[18:03] <Amaranth> Without that the most you can hope for is for photorec to gets any photos you had
[18:03] <Amaranth> ioka: The backup has to exactly match the state of the disk before you trashed it
[18:04] <ioka> testdisk finds two identical partitions
[18:04] <Amaranth> ioka: you're more likely to have a backup of the data
[18:05] <zash> why isn't there something like sudoedit for gksudo?
[18:05] <jdahm> why is the vpn greyed out like I can't add a connection?
[18:05] <Ahadiel> zash, gksudo gedit?
[18:06] <zash> Ahadiel: but that runns the editor as root
[18:06] <Ahadiel> zash, Isn't that what you wanted?
[18:06] <Ahadiel> zash, oh, I understand.
[18:06] <cowgarden> should I keep or overwrite my menu.lst on the update to karmic?
[18:06] <zash> Ahadiel: sudoedit copies the file to tmp, launches $VISUAL /tmp/thatfile then copies it back
[18:06] <cowgarden> I forgott
[18:06] <ioka> test disk sees most of the files
[18:07] <Ahadiel> zash, yeah sorry, I didn't realize sudoredit actually existed.
[18:08] <Kano> why are ntfs drives not shown to mount?
[18:08] <Ahadiel> zash, You could probably put something together fairly easily that does that.
[18:08] <Kano> hmm maybe because of iso-scan
[18:08] <cowgarden> menu.lst should just work, shouldn't it? I mean I keep grub1 anyway, right?
[18:08] <cowgarden> and if it worked it will keep working
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: yep, gksudo cp $1 /tmp; $
[18:09] <cowgarden> or is the new kernel to be referenced there?
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: $EDITOR $tmpfile; gksudo cp tmp origfile
[18:09] <Ahadiel> zash, So why did you ask if there was something like it then?
[18:09] <zash> Ahadiel: because it annoys me that lots of how-tos has gksudo gedit somefile
[18:10] <ioka> Amaranth: is photorec from cgsecurity the tool you 've mentioned?
[18:10] <zash> VISUAL=gedit sudoedit /path/to/file works too
[18:10] <Amaranth> ioka: Yeah, that should at least get pictures back
[18:10] <ioka> is photorec a tool only for backing files?
[18:11] <ioka> I'm using testdisk at the moment
[18:13] <ubuntuLover> blueglasses:still around?
[18:14] <ubuntuLover> is anyone able to help me fix my boot problem?
[18:16] <ubuntuLover> anyone here?!
[18:16] <BluesKaj> !id
[18:17] <ubuntuLover> is anyone able to help me fix my boot problem? please :-/
[18:18] <TDJACR> !mac
[18:18] <dmatt> just explain problem
[18:20] <ubuntuLover> dmatt: installed 9.10 beta from live CD (running from USB pen) and all I get is a black screen with blinking cursor, no text
[18:21] <dmatt> what partition did you chose to install grub?
[18:22] <ubuntuLover> erm... I can't recall being asked to choose a partitiont o install grub!
[18:23] <dmatt> do you have some toher system installed?
[18:23] <ioka> what kind of partition does usually fdisk create? fat32 lba or fat32?
[18:23] <mbt> Has anyone ran into this bug on Karmic:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/460153
[18:23] <igama> dmatt, its installed in the MBR
[18:24] <BUGabundo> ola igama
[18:24] <mzz> ioka: neither
[18:24] <ubuntuLover> dmatt:no other OS, I had ubuntu on the laptop but installed over it
[18:24] <ioka> how come neither?
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: you're probably thinking of the id byte written to the partition table, which defaults to 83 ("linux"). But linux itself usually ignores that byte.
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: what did you do again, overwrite the partition table, right?
[18:25] <ioka> not again
[18:25] <dmatt> do you have more partitions or only one?
[18:25] <mzz> ioka: I meant can you say it again, not did you do it twice :)
[18:26] <ioka> no
[18:26] <igama> dmatt, more, about 4 partitions
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: if you originally had exactly one partition chances are just recreating the partition table will work
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: ah, that's harder
[18:26] <ubuntuLover> dmatt:no other partitions, no... only the ones that the LIve CD created for the new install
[18:26] <mzz> there are utilities that guess the partition table but I have no experience with them
[18:26] <ioka> well test disk fist shows 2 fat32 partitions all with the same characteristics size start end sector
[18:26] <ioka> then
[18:26] <mzz> ioka: if you have the space for it: copy the entire drive over so you can try your repairs on a copy
[18:27] <dmatt> igama, ubuntuLover, you have the same problem?
[18:27] <ioka> when I do deeper search it shows only one fat32 partition
[18:27] <ioka> I guess I should try to write the patition table after the deeper search
[18:27] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, igama, do we :) ?
[18:28] <dmatt> it seems you both answer my questions :)
[18:28] <ioka> I shows some weird stuff I do not understand.It shows two ntsf partitions and I have only one.I shows the type of all partitions to be deleted.
[18:29] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yep I didn't know who you were directing them at :)
[18:29] <guntbert> !who
[18:30] <igama> dmatt, what problem?
[18:31] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: I sugest you boot again from livecd and mount disc to check if there is proper instalation
[18:31] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, done that, yes it is there
[18:31] <ioka> so fat32 and fat32 lba could not be the problem.Is is possible after executing echo "chmod ugo+rwx" /dev/sda3 the fat partition has been changed from fat32 to fat32 lba?
[18:31] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did you try to reinstal grub2 ?
[18:32] <ioka> and that to be the problem?
[18:32] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yes I did
[18:32] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, still no change
[18:33] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I used Live CD to mount the hard drive adn chroot to teh hardrive
[18:33] <ubuntuLover> and installed grub2 that way
[18:34] <dmatt> like they advise in http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide ?
[18:34] <ioka> I get an invalid fat boot sector in the partition table
[18:35] <ioka> could that be because of grub loader?
[18:35] <mzz> ioka: you overwrote the boot sector
[18:35] <ioka> no
[18:35] <mzz> I'm not sure how much else you overwrote, but I'm pretty sure you overwrote the boot sector
[18:35] <ioka> this is what testdisk shows
[18:36] <ioka> I can boot
[18:36]  * mzz rephrases
[18:36] <mzz> I'm pretty sure you overwrote the boot sector on that drive, so if that's your boot drive I'm surprised you can still boot
[18:36] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, it was from another wbsite but the steps were precisely the same :)
[18:36] <dmatt> ubuntulover: if nothing helps, i would install grub1 from older ubuntuCD
[18:37] <dupondje> somebody can help me fixing GRUB2 and Dmraid ?
[18:37] <dupondje> seems there is a 'dmraid_nvidia' module
[18:37] <dupondje> but how to use it?
[18:39] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, should I install 9.04 instead?
[18:39] <kbmaniac> I have update manager check for updates daily, download in background but there is no notification on the taskbar when there are updates, how  do I turn that on ?
[18:40] <dmatt> no, just grub1 from 9.04 disc
[18:40] <ioka> guys test disk show that the fat boot sector is bad.then it says that the backup boot fat sector is OK.Should I rebuild the FAT boot sector?
[18:41] <penguin42> ioka: If it can do that then it sounds like the right thing
[18:41] <ioka> ok.I'll dump the both sectors just in case.
[18:43] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: you think there is problem in grub or it never gets to it (some hdd action before?)
[18:43] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, never gets to it
[18:43] <ioka> would you please tell me why I have a FAT boot sector since fat partition is not a bootable, never was, I use grub2 and I have still windows laoder intact.
[18:43] <ubuntuLover> no hdd action at all
[18:44] <dmatt> did you try press shift to get to grub menu?
[18:44] <penguin42> ioka: I don't know the structure of FAT well, but I think the first sector is also the sector where the bootloader normally lives (or is that the 2nd one - hmm)
[18:45] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, no, I'll try now
[18:46] <ioka> so since I can boot.I do not know if I should mess up with the FAT boot loader even if it is bad.
[18:46] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, shift does nothing
[18:47] <rosco> After installing 9.10, my /proc/partitions doesn't list my raid partitions anymore, only the disks. The partitions are still visible in fdisk -l. Does it has something to do with mdraid ? I'd prefer to stick to mdadm as I know it already. But it's useless if the kernel doesn't show the partitions in /proc/partitions
[18:48] <ioka> Does anyone know what repair MFT in NTFS partition mean?
[18:49] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did you actually check with partition editor partitioning of hdd?
[18:50] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, no, only saw it with fdisk -l
[18:50] <ioka> after repairing the FAT boot loader now I see only one fat partition as I should.
[18:50] <ioka> I'm rebooting to see if there are any differences.
[18:51] <Armageddon> I have a problem that I've had since Jaunty, Ubuntu does not shutdown, -h restarts, the problem is probably Ubuntu not finding the suitable power off button, can anyone help ?
[18:51] <mzz> Armageddon: iirc there's a kernel commandline param worth playing with, sec
[18:51] <MrMonkeyMan> If I install the RC will I have to do anything special when the release version comes out?
[18:52] <Armageddon> MrMonkeyMan, no it will update to that
[18:52] <ioka> no need to reboot.
[18:52] <ioka> :)
[18:52] <ioka> after fixing the boot FAT loader sector everything is fine
[18:52] <penguin42> ioka: What did you use to do the repair?
[18:52] <ioka> I can see all the data
[18:53] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: give it a try just to be sure you have only one partition
[18:53] <ioka> Cristophe GRENIER is a genius .Got bless him
[18:53] <ioka> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Download
[18:53] <MrMonkeyMan> Armageddon: so the RC is using the same apt sources as the full release?
[18:53] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, ok
[18:53] <domjohnson> Hello
[18:54] <ubuntuLover> brb
[18:54] <domjohnson> How come the latest daily build of Ubuntu Studio is from 20th October?
[18:54] <Armageddon> MrMonkeyMan, yes
[18:54] <arand> MrMonkeyMan: yes. For more karmic support, #ubuntu+1
[18:54] <arand> domjohnson: dailys apprently stop at RC time..
[18:54] <domjohnson> ohhh
[18:54] <domjohnson> ok
[18:54] <domjohnson> Thanks :)
[18:55] <domjohnson> When is the final release? Is it the 28th?
[18:55] <Cyberkilla|AFK> 29th
[18:55] <Cyberkilla|AFK> afaik
[18:55] <almoxarife> who has alsa as the default sound and has the volume/sound applet working?
[18:55] <Armageddon> does anyone have a toshiba laptop with bluetooth and shutdown problems ?
[18:55] <mzz> Armageddon: bah, can't find it
[18:56] <Armageddon> mzz, I've had those 2 problems since jaunty, shutdown and bluetooth
[18:56] <kbmaniac> hi, how do I get the 'update notifier' to pop up a message when there are updates ?
[18:56] <mzz> kbmaniac: iirc it does that by default
[18:56] <Armageddon> kbmaniac: it is set in Software sources
[18:56] <almoxarife> Armageddon: I think the shut down issue is a bug in all of karmic?
[18:56] <Armageddon> almoxarife: I've had it since jaunty
[18:56] <mzz> almoxarife: karmic shuts down just fine on this acer laptop
[18:57] <Armageddon> I know the problem is the push button not being recognized that's for sure
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: err, no
[18:57] <makc_> йа
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: the push button is an input device. You don't need it to turn the system off
[18:57] <Armageddon> mzz, what do you think the problem is ?
[18:57] <kbmaniac> well, nothing pops up on 2 x 9.10 installs, I have update dailey, download in background
[18:57] <Armageddon> mzz: well it's what I'm using at the moment to turn it off
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: some kind of apm/acpi issue most likely
[18:57] <mzz> Armageddon: in the "hold it down for 5 seconds" way, right?
[18:57] <antibody> quick question ubuntu 9.10 still doesn't have a easy fingerprint login solution right? You still have to fiddle with pam.d files? I don't like the auth with pam you can't type the password until you do fingerprint, so I always have to pass my finger. anyone has a kewl howto?
[18:57] <Armageddon> oh acpi is not recognized for some reason
[18:58] <Armageddon> mzz: yea after -H shutdown
[18:58] <maco> kbmaniac: turn off automatic updates?
[18:58] <kbmaniac> they are on at the moment
[18:58] <mzz> Armageddon: usually hold it down for 5 seconds bypasses the os, and briefly pressing that button is seen as an input event by linux
[18:59] <penguin42> antibody: Don't know, but the login screen has changed quite a bit so it might have changed
[18:59] <Armageddon> mzz: yea that is recognized but what's wrong with acpi ?
[18:59] <kbmaniac> sorry I mean check for updates is daily
[18:59] <mzz> Armageddon: I don't know. If it's an old laptop it may simply not have (working) acpi
[19:00] <mzz> Armageddon: it'd have to be a pretty old laptop for that though. Bios upgrades may help. And there are some kernel commandline quirks, but the ones I'm finding are for reboot, not poweroff.
[19:00] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I checked with gparted and the hdd has two partitions one Ext4 with 9.10 beta and a small swap partition
[19:00] <meanburrito920_> I've noticed that ever since I upgraded to karmic my battery notifier has been all wonky, giving me incorrect % charges and remaining time. What changes were made to it that might have caused this, and can I resolve them?
[19:00] <Armageddon> mzz: very new one
[19:00] <meanburrito920_> It worked fine under jaunty
[19:00] <arand> It's always possibe do downgrade gdm, maybe the olde howtos might still be applicable then: http://pitris.info/ubuntu
[19:01] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, as I said these are the standard installation partitions
[19:01] <Armageddon> mzz: Toshiba A300D-17G release probably 10months ago
[19:01] <arand> ^< antibody:
[19:01] <mzz> meanburrito920_: I didn't upgrade, but suspect it lost its history. Is it still wonky after a few charge cycles (with ubuntu running)?
[19:02] <almoxarife> alsa anyone? alsa gurus?
[19:02] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i installed the rc on friday and it's still acting strange
[19:02] <mzz> Armageddon: shrug, check dmesg for clues, check for bios upgrades, google for others with similar hardware and the same problem
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: can you help me file a bug report ?
[19:02] <antibody> yes arand?
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: I did, it is recognized there
[19:02] <mzz> Armageddon: ask #ubuntu-bugs for help with bug reports, iirc
[19:02] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i haven't fully discharged it though. only til what it claimed was 40%
[19:02] <Armageddon> mzz: thanks
[19:03] <meanburrito920_> but i don't think that was accurate
[19:03] <rosco> Is there a way to disable fakeraid in ubuntu ?
[19:03] <arand> antibody: It's always possibe do downgrade gdm, maybe the olde howtos might still be applicable then: http://pitris.info/ubuntu
[19:03] <mzz> meanburrito920_: what's inaccurate? time remaining numbers may improve over time (see the charge/discharge accuracy graphs available through "power history")
[19:03] <antibody> ok but there's no easy way to do it right?
[19:03] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: in past when I had such problem I tried to ALT-CTRL-F1 and it helped the boot to progres... but it was after grub
[19:04] <antibody> (not that I can't do it lol. Just don't have the mood)
[19:04] <antibody> I did it with pam module
[19:04] <meanburrito920_> mzz: it jumps from telling me i have 5h10m at 93% to 1h40m at 50% back to 3h20m at 72%
[19:04] <almoxarife> I seem to have lucked out, I have one issue with karmic and its due to my wanting to run alsa as default, otherwise its running great, unless something is not working and I don't see it
[19:04] <antibody> but but the "sufficient" "required" don't give enough options
[19:04] <ubuntuLover> yeah someone else suggested that earlier in this channel I tried it and it didn't work when I came back he was gone... blueglasses was his/her name :(
[19:04] <meanburrito920_> mzz: that seems broken :)
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: that's the kind of thing I suspect might improve as it "learns" how the battery behaves (you probably lost that history when you upgraded because of the devicekit-power introduction)
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: I don't know how jumpy those numbers are supposed to be after it has gained a bit of history
[19:05] <meanburrito920_> mzz: ok. where is the battery history normally stored? as a file?
[19:05] <mzz> meanburrito920_: (they do jump around here too, but afaict that's intentional, with time remaining dropping if I do something power-hungry)
[19:06] <mzz> meanburrito920_: below /var/lib/DeviceKit-power/ in karmic afaict
[19:06] <mzz> meanburrito920_: at least I'm assuming gnome-power-manager is actually using that data instead of duplicating it
[19:06] <meanburrito920_> mzz: i did a fresh install so I probably wiped it
[19:06] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: if you did grub2 reinstlation correctly, I would really go for grub1 install from older liveCD
[19:07] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: might be some crazy incompatibility with your HW or setting in bios or something
[19:08] <ubuntuLover> yeah it sounds liek some non regular problem
[19:08] <Petengy> hi to all
[19:09] <Petengy> after 12 hours of hard work I wasn't able to activate the nvidia drivers on my karmik (installed yesterday) ... someone else had the same problems with nvidia ?
[19:10] <tag_> I can't seem to get fglrx to work in karmic, and it deems my system inoperable outside of booting in recovery mode.
[19:10] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, did I tell you that with the previous version of ubuntu in the same computer could not boot either? I only made it boot by installing grub on a USB pen which pointed to the hdd
[19:10] <mzz> tag_: are you sure you need it? Unless you have a pretty recent card you want the open drivers currently
[19:10] <tag_> I told these people to get me a machine with an nvidia card, damnit.
[19:11] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: lol
[19:11] <tag_> It's a pretty recent card (first introduced 2 years ago, IIRC, but the machine is less than a month out of the factory)
[19:11] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yeah I know... it's sad lol
[19:12] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: did some bootmanager work in past on this computer?
[19:14] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: at least you can do the trick with usb again
[19:14] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, yes it did I think with one of Ubuntu 6.xx versions... but sometime between Ubuntu upgrades it stopped working
[19:15] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, I'm considering getting a new hardrive
[19:16] <mzz> if that helps your system (bios) is pretty weird
[19:16] <almoxarife> http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ <-- I managed to get a laptop to suspend/hibernate with the linked package, its not as sexy but it worked for me
[19:17] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: what about low level format of the disk... then create partitions again
[19:17] <ubuntuLover> oh there's something worth trying... can I do that with gparted?
[19:18] <dmatt> i think you can do it from bios or from special tool from HDD manufacturer
[19:18] <mzz> what?
[19:18] <Cyberkilla|AFK> ጂጷ
[19:18] <mzz> what was the actual problem again? a low-level format rarely helps
[19:19] <jbuncher> what exactly is a low-level format?
[19:19] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, ok how do I find out the harddrive manufacturer?
[19:19] <mzz> if you can boot off a livecd and chroot in successfully this really does not sound like the kind of issue a low-level format would help with
[19:19] <dmatt> mzz: ubuntuLover hdd is not booting since some 6.x ubuntu
[19:20] <cov> is nobody else testing karmic on a university wpa2 wireless network? networkmanager regressed to not accept pkcs12 in jaunty and now won't connect using even pem certificates in karmic. It also seems like every single bug filed on the topic gets completely ignored. What gives?
[19:21] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what do you suggest if not low level format?
[19:21] <dmatt> ubuntuLover sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[19:22] <jbuncher> cov :  I haven't used wpa2, but wpa enterprise with a certificate. NM will connect, though I have to re-enter all of the settings each time (due to a bug in how nm is trying to recall the password, which has supposedly been fixed but not released yet)
[19:22] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, what will that do? make it explode for good? lol
[19:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover -i stands for information
[19:24] <cov> jbuncher: yeah I enter all the information and the connect button stays gray.
[19:25] <xrandr> ok, i rebooted, and seem to have lost sound.
[19:25]  * xrandr cries
[19:25] <mzz> ubuntuLover: for starters I'd boot off a livecd and attempt to install grub 1
[19:25] <jbuncher> cov :  what fields do you enter, and what do you put in those fields (I don't need the username and password, obviously)
[19:25] <mzz> ubuntuLover: also doublecheck bios settings for sanity (make sure it's booting the right drive)
[19:26] <ubuntuLover> mzz, trust me I've checked bios dozens of times
[19:26] <dmatt> mzz, I gave the same advice (install grub1), but grub1 does not work from 6.x release with that disc
[19:26] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, terminal says no such file or directory
[19:26] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I've once fixed some pretty weird boot failures by resetting my bios settings to default and reconstructing them (probably because I didn't reset them after a bios upgrade)
[19:27] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, did you mean /dev/sda1?
[19:27] <dmatt> just sda
[19:27] <mzz> ubuntuLover: especially on older hardware it's possible grub will only work if it's near the front of the drive, in which case reinstalling with a separate /boot at the front of the drive may help
[19:28] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I don't thinks it's a bios issue because it stopped working bettwen usuntu upgrades at some point back in the time of Ubuntu 6.xx... I've never upgraded the BIOS
[19:28] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if it's an lba-related issue it's possible it happened to work in 6.06 because your kernel and grub happened to end up near the front of the drive
[19:28] <ubuntuLover> mzz, ok so should I cheat a /boot partition for Grub?
[19:29] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if that's it it *should* fail with a comprehensive error message, but I don't remember if it always actually does
[19:29] <mzz> ubuntuLover: imho it's worth trying, but it tends to be painful to add a partition near the front of the drive if you've already installed.
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> mzz, true
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> I don't mind reinstalling though since I have no data in it
[19:30] <jbuncher> cov :  How exactly do you tell network manager to connect to your university network?
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> it's a fresh install already
[19:30] <mzz> ubuntuLover: and you *are* installing grub to the mbr, right?
[19:30] <Petengy> after 12 hours of hard work I wasn't able to activate the nvidia drivers on my karmik (installed yesterday) ... someone else had the same problems with nvidia driver?
[19:30] <ubuntuLover> mzz, that's right
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> mzz, is there any way of checking that grub was actually installed properly?
[19:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if it's installed properly it'll boot :P
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> LOL
[19:31] <dmatt> lol
[19:31] <jbuncher> Petengy, nope, but I have a pretty old card (6800 GTX) and just used the 185 package in the repositories.  Works like a charm.
[19:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: also try "sudo file -s /dev/sda" (assuming sda is the drive we're talking about)
[19:31] <ubuntuLover> I meant if grub is in the MBR but for some obscure reason the bios can't find it
[19:32] <ubuntuLover> yes sda is the drive
[19:32] <jbuncher> mzz ubuntuLover :  well, it will boot up to grub at least :P
[19:32] <Petengy> jbuncher: u are lucky ... me no ... :(
[19:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if grub's there "file" should tell you about it
[19:32] <jbuncher> Petengy, did you try installing from the repositories?  what kinds of issues are you getting?
[19:33] <ubuntuLover> erm.. mzz...
[19:33] <Petengy> jbuncher: I installed from "hardware drivers" and the issue is a totally black screen during boot
[19:33] <ubuntuLover> it came up with a bunch of... erm...
[19:34] <jbuncher> Petengy, does it work after boot?
[19:34] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin away if you can't parse the output
[19:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, the command returned a lot of info but nothing about grub
[19:34] <mzz> that's not right
[19:34] <mzz> pastebin?
[19:34] <Petengy> jbuncher: no only a black screen, nothing else, both in normal and recovery modes
[19:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I can't paste it I'm on a seperate computer (mac)
[19:35] <bjsnider> Petengy, which graphics card
[19:35] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what should I be looking for?
[19:35] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, this is how beginning of mine looks: /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 61432497 sectors; partition 2:
[19:35] <jbuncher> Petengy, does alt+F1 get you to a terminal you can see?
[19:35] <ubuntuLover> yeah somwhat similar to mine
[19:35] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I lied, looks like karmic's version of "file" doesn't know about grub 2
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: no
[19:36] <dmatt> mzz, i actually run it on jaunty with grub1
[19:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, phew, I was starting to feel confused :)
[19:36] <mzz> ubuntuLover: if grub 1 is installed it should say "GRand Unified Bootloader" after "x86 boot sector"
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: video cards two g7500 sli
[19:36] <mzz> dmatt: what, jaunty's "file" doesn't detect grub either?
[19:36] <mzz> bah, sec
[19:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, nope it doesn't say any of that
[19:36] <dmatt> mzz, nope
[19:36] <Petengy> jbuncher: if I rember
[19:37] <jbuncher> Petengy, is this a fresh karmic install or did you upgrade from jaunty?
[19:37] <ubuntuLover> mzz, is there any other way of checking if grub 2 is there?
[19:38] <Petengy> jbuncher: I upgraded from jaunty
[19:38] <yermandu> grep: /proc/asound/card*/*codec*/*: No such file or directory 0.o
[19:38] <mzz> ubuntuLover: attempting to boot would still be the obvious one (other than making sure "grub-install /dev/sda" didn't error out)
[19:38] <Petengy> jbuncher: to understand : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244488&page=2
[19:38] <jbuncher> Petengy, ok, so you should still have grub 1/legacy installed (unless you manually upgraded to grub 2).  Have you tried editing hte boot line and deleting "quiet" and "splash"?
[19:38] <tag_> Oh wow, this has an integrated graphics module, maybe I should just rock the intel
[19:39] <mzz> dmatt: weird, works for me if I feed the start of a drive with grub 1 on it to karmic's "file"
[19:39] <Petengy> jbuncher: ....no.....
[19:39] <dtchen> yermandu: that path is only valid for AC'97 codecs
[19:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, grub-install might have errored a little bit (insert embarrased emoticon here)
[19:40] <mzz> "a little bit"?
[19:40] <dtchen> yermandu: if you have HDA, it's just /proc/asound/card*/*codec*
[19:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin output?
[19:40] <ubuntuLover> mzz, will have to try again...
[19:40] <ubuntuLover> can you wait a couple of mins?
[19:40] <yermandu> k dtchen
[19:40] <jbuncher> Petengy, wait, so the link you gave, did that solve your issue?
[19:41] <Petengy> jbuncher: no, not for me and not for ather users in that forum, I think I have to wait for some bug fixes from canonical
[19:41] <dtchen> yermandu: also, neither Debian nor Ubuntu ship alsaconf now.
[19:41] <bjsnider> sli has to be specified in the xorg.conf file
[19:42] <Petengy> jbuncher: if I understand there some bugs with kernel......
[19:42] <darrend> hi - I'm getting very choppy graphics in bzflag with nvidia.  Any known issues with those?
[19:42] <yermandu> i can not find alsa conf dtchen , i try m-a i-a dtchen
[19:43] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I'm following these instructions
[19:43] <dmatt> mzz, maybe only karmic file handle it??
[19:43] <ubuntuLover> http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[19:44] <mzz> dmatt: possible. Oh wait, I actually have a jaunty chroot. Sec.
[19:44] <ubuntuLover> mzz, stuck on step 6 of instructions on link above with error
[19:45] <dtchen> yermandu: right. As I stated, neither Debian nor Ubuntu ship alsaconf.
[19:45] <ubuntuLover> mzz, /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 236: cannot create /boot/grub/grub/cfg.new: directory non eexistent
[19:46] <dtchen> yermandu: It has been gone from Ubuntu since Breezy; Debian testing no longer ships it.
[19:46] <mzz> ubuntuLover: that sounds like you typoed "grub/cfg" where it should be "grub.cfg"
[19:46] <ubuntuLover> mzz, *slaps right hand*
[19:47] <ubuntuLover> mzz, ok now with fixed command I get cannot find list of partitions
[19:47] <cov> jbuncher: I fill out all the fields with paths to the PEM certificates, CA certificate, etc.
[19:48] <mzz> ubuntuLover: pastebin the output
[19:48] <mzz> (commandline + output)
[19:48] <jbuncher> cov : what kind of authentication?
[19:48] <ubuntuLover> can't, I'm irc-ing from another puter (mac)
[19:48] <cov> WPA enterprise TLS
[19:48] <ubuntuLover> but will type it
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> Generating grub.cfg
[19:49] <cov> (WPA2)
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found linux image: ...
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found initrd image: ...
[19:49] <ubuntuLover> found memtest86+ image: ...
[19:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover: assuming the ubuntu system has network access: apt-get install pastebinit on it
[19:50] <jbuncher> Petengy, looks like it was a bug in the c library:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/429003
[19:50] <cov> jbuncher: http://www.vtluug.org/wiki/index.php?title=VT_Wireless#Connecting_by_NetworkManager
[19:50] <cov> jbuncher: http://www.vtluug.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Nm_vt_wireless_options.png
[19:50] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what will that do?
[19:50] <cov> those are the instructions for jaunty but the info is all the same
[19:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover: allow you to pastebin stuff there, for example by appending "2>&1 | pastebinit" to that command you just ran
[19:51] <mzz> dmatt: and just confirmed that "file" in jaunty does not detect grub
[19:51] <dmatt> mzz: yop
[19:51]  * mzz hugs schroot + lvm-snapshot
[19:52] <ubuntuLover> mzz, what's pastebinit?!
[19:52] <mzz> ubuntuLover: a script that can pastebin (as long as it has network access) without needing a browser
[19:53] <jbuncher> cov :hmm, ok.  I don't use the user certificates and private keys, so I'm not sure if I'm setting those correctly, but my connect button also remains grayed out.  Hopefully the recent fixes will deal with this issue as well.
[19:54] <Byron> I have a desktop that randomly disconnects from the network if the desktop doesn't freeze first. How can I check for the cause of this issue? Been happening with the last 2-3 releases.
[19:55] <ubuntuLover> mzz, I'll connect using xchat on the machine I'm trying to fix so I can paste the stuff here
[19:55] <ubuntuLover> brb
[19:55] <mzz> nooo
[19:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover: paste*bin*
[19:55] <mzz> use a browser if you prefer, but don't paste straight into this channel
[19:55] <dmatt> mzz, you showing quite some tricks here
[19:56] <aguitel> i have some slow boot up problem with it
[19:56] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, pastebin will produce short http address, where output of your command will be shown
[19:58] <artnie> ubuntuLover: that's why people will be able to read output of your command in the internet .. without flooding this chanel ..
[19:58] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, this is ubuntuLover
[19:59] <ubuntuLover2> from ubuntu machine
[19:59] <aguitel> when my system boot appears "grub loading " and 30 sec later the grub image ,is this is ok ?
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> Hi
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> I finally got this installed
[19:59] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, I still don't understand the importance of pastebin!
[19:59] <SpacePigeon> Which drivers should I download for my nvidia card?
[20:00] <SpacePigeon> nvidia-??
[20:00] <mauri> i need a program with gui in order to sy 2 foldersncronize
[20:00] <BluesKaj> !nvidia
[20:01] <dodddummy> is it a known issue that sometimes windows don't switch when you click on them in the taskbar?
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> root@ubuntu:/# grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Generating grub.cfg ...
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-11-generic
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-11-generic
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> grep: /proc/mounts: No such file or directory
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> Cannot find list of partitions!
[20:01] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: in case yo're not joking, try to imagine pasting here the whole dmesg
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> done
[20:01] <ubuntuLover2> root@ubuntu:/#
[20:02] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, there are 400+ in hear now.  imagine if everyone pasted like that.
[20:02] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, oops! I wasn't, I'm just running out of time for tonight
[20:03] <ubuntuLover2> and spending time understading what pastebin is will mean I'll have to start from scratch tomorrow tryinn to fix this nightmare :(
[20:03] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, posting like that is likely to add to the time you get help.  at least it would in most channels
[20:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntuLover2, update-grub after you run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:03] <ubuntuLover2> BluesKaj, even despite the error?!
[20:04] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, that page is very deprecated
[20:04] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, I just don't know if to use the Hardware Drivers package or just run a $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-*
[20:04] <dmatt> mzz, is there a way to run pastebinit and at the same time see output in console?
[20:04] <BluesKaj> that's why you have the error, if you keep repeating the command
[20:05] <k5ehx> dmatt: use tee?
[20:05] <ubuntuLover2> dodddummy, dmatt, mzz, I'm really sorry for pasting here, I'm just running out of time, been trying to fix this for hours and getting late now...
[20:06] <BluesKaj> SpacePigeon, ok, what nvidia card,then look for it by typing the card name in a package manager and choose properties on the various drivers listed to find which driver your card needs
[20:06] <yermandu> my sound start mute
[20:06] <dmatt> ubuntuLover2: now everybody wants to see some success in your case, just finish it :)
[20:07] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, tell that to my very patient neglected girlfriend lol ;)
[20:07] <mzz> dmatt: the output's a bit ugly, but perhaps "echo 'hello tee' | tee >(pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com)"
[20:07] <Strogg_> hello, last update ask for removal of "menu" package, is it replaced ?
[20:07] <SpacePigeon> BluesKaj, well, now my card appeared in hardware drivers. Should I use that package?
[20:07] <mzz> dmatt: it's a bit messy because you need to see the output from pastebinit itself too, to know what url you got
[20:07] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "mount -t proc proc /proc" and try again
[20:08] <bjsnider> Spaceman, yes you should
[20:08] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, try again from where?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> SpacePigeon,if your card is listed then that driver is the one to use
[20:08] <dodddummy> ubuntuLover2, doesn't bother me.  just trying to pass on experience gained since early irc days.  i've been kicked and not helped a lot over the years  :)
[20:09] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: same place you got that "Cannot find list of partitions" before
[20:09] <mzz> Strogg_: define "ask for"
[20:09] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, did that... mount command ran fine but grub-mkconfig ouput same error
[20:10] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: did you run that mount command from the right terminal (the chrooted one you're running grub-mkconfig from)?
[20:10] <Strogg_> mzz, i mean after running dist-upgrade then apt-get autoremove
[20:10] <mzz> Strogg_: ah. It's possible something dropped it as a dependency.
[20:10] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yep ;o) I'm dumb but not that much :-p
[20:11] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that's very weird. What's present in /proc?
[20:11] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: /proc/mounts really should exist now
[20:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, can't one of your nice hackers get into my machine and fix it, I'd even pay you for that :D
[20:11] <eitreach_> Is there a way to get mouse gestures in Compiz back in 9.10?
[20:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, how do I know what's in proc?!
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: ls /proc
[20:12] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, erm... too much to paste here
[20:12] <eitreach_> use pastebin.com. :)
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: cat /proc/mounts
[20:12] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: or "pastebinit /proc/mounts" for that matter :)
[20:13] <cov> jbuncher: yeah, I hope so too :)
[20:14] <Byron> Can I safely upgrade to ext4 from ext3 without losing data or formatting?
[20:14] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/fd4fe4eb
[20:14] <ubuntuLover2> I made pastebin work, I'm so proud :D
[20:15] <topyli> Byron, safely? it's a hard disk. make sure you're backed up :)
[20:15] <BluesKaj> !ext4
[20:15] <artnie> Byron: yes, just don't forget to umount partion :)
[20:15] <jbuncher> Byron, in short, probably, but back up to be sure.
[20:15] <Bodsda> I can only find dvd iso's for karmic, is this right? If not can someone point me to the location of the cd iso's?
[20:15] <dtchen> Byron: it's possible, yes. I did it. And topyli has the right idea -- don't do it before a backup.
[20:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: and you're *sure* you're still getting "grep: /proc/mounts: No such file or directory" from grub-mkconfig, and you're doing all this from the same (chrooted) shell?
[20:15] <dtchen> Bodsda: they will be on releases.ubuntu.com
[20:15] <Petengy> jbuncher: TnX for the link you gave me. It's useful to understand :)
[20:15] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, do you want me to start again and pastebin every step?
[20:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that might help
[20:16] <jbuncher> Petengy, no problem, I think I got that one from reading a bit further into the forum link you provided.
[20:16] <Bodsda> dtchen: ah hah. I was on cdimages.ubuntu.co, ty dude
[20:16] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok
[20:16] <ericrw> Byron: take an LVM snapshot first ? :P (IMHO everyone should be using LVM ;-)
[20:16] <gartral> hi all, can someone point me to the beta iso?
[20:16] <mzz> ericrw: seconded
[20:16] <jbuncher> ericrw, just make a dd image onto an external :P
[20:16] <Byron> I can't make backups. The network drops randomly and the desktop freezes when it likes (usually when I least need it to freeze). USB is just a joke.
[20:16] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, erm... how do I get back to the normal shell out of the chroot?
[20:16] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "exit"
[20:17] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I feel stupid
[20:17] <cowgarden> how is the new audio thing called? my better soundcard stopped working and I'd like to look that up. (dmx6 fire ice1712 core)
[20:17] <topyli> Byron, fine. just be prepared to lose data, because eventually you will
[20:17] <jbuncher> Byron, if you're having those kinds of issues, it's likely a hardware problem (if it's been happening for a few releases).  Try running hardware tests on your ram and hard drive, and I definitely wouldn't upgrade your filesystem while you're experiencing those issues.
[20:17] <k5ehx> gartral: the ubuntu.com website has a big "download the beta" on the front page
[20:17] <eagles0513875> Byron: poke :P
[20:17] <Petengy> jbuncher:  I'll wait ..for a solution :) tnx again
[20:18] <jbuncher> k5ehx, that actually points to the rc images
[20:18] <Byron> topyli: I already have. The first drive was accidentally formatted (not low-level). I've been quotes $1200 to get it back. Not in the budget so the drive is packaged away until then.
[20:18] <rward> anyone else having problems with C1?
[20:18] <rward> U1
[20:18] <rward> ?
[20:18] <k5ehx> jbuncher: true, even though it says beta.
[20:18] <Byron> eagles0513875: poke
[20:18] <eagles0513875> ask your question away Byron
[20:19] <jbuncher> k5ehx, just wanted to mention that in case the questioner wanted the beta for older packages, in case the rc wasn't working for them.
[20:19] <artnie> rward: what is U1?
[20:19] <rward> Ubuntu 1, the Cloud part in 9.10RC
[20:19] <topyli> i wonder why i can't use my samba share anymore
[20:20] <Byron> eagles0513875: You're a bit late ;)
[20:20] <eagles0513875> Byron: you got your answer
[20:21] <jbuncher> topyli, clarify?
[20:21] <topyli> mount won't mount it, and nautilus won't write to it (will read)
[20:21] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, cn't install pastebinit on normal shell can't find it even after updating apt-get
[20:21] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, feels like I'm going backwards
[20:21] <topyli> jbuncher, here's the fstab line: //<IP_ADDRESS>/st375063_011 /media/Homebox cifs guest,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode,umask=777,_netdev  0  0
[20:22] <Docteh> anyone try iscsi root?
[20:22] <topyli> mount returns: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //<IP_ADDRESS>/st375063_011, missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:22] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: what are you doing outside of the chroot that's worth pastebinning?
[20:22] <Docteh> topyli: check dmesg for an error from cifs
[20:22] <mzz> topyli: try with backslashes instead of forward slashes
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, this installation process... http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide?highlight=%28live%29|%28install%29|%28cd%29
[20:23] <mzz> topyli: that is: "\\<IP_ADDRESS>\st375063_011 /media/Homebox cifs ..."
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, just to prove that I am following the steps
[20:23] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: yes, but that's not doing anything interesting outside of the chroot, or at least it shouldn't be
[20:23] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok
[20:23] <Docteh> if you use \ slashes you might have to double them
[20:24] <mzz> Docteh: you don't, at least not here
[20:24] <mzz> Docteh: but admittedly this isn't on a ubuntu system
[20:24] <topyli> Docteh, there is a promising one: [ 6984.693349]  CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22
[20:24] <Trunkz> I realise that 9.10 will be released in 4 days time
[20:24] <Trunkz> Is it feasible to upgrade from the RC to the final version?
[20:24] <Trunkz> or will that * break * things? :)
[20:24] <topyli> mzz, i've had the same fstab line for quite some time. it began failing with karmic
[20:24] <Docteh> Trunkz: apt-get ugrade
[20:24] <ericrw> Trunkz: apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:24] <Trunkz> thanks, i know the usual upgrade paths.
[20:25] <Trunkz> i just didnt know if its usual for things to break during upgrades.
[20:25] <mzz> topyli: that's entirely possible. There was a kernel level change (around the 2.6.23 kernel if my notes are accurate) that broke //ip/sharename and require \\ip\sharename, at least on systems without the mount.cifs helper
[20:25] <Docteh> Trunkz: not at 4 days until release
[20:25] <Trunkz> =p
[20:25] <Trunkz> Lovely.
[20:25] <artnie> Trunkz: shouldn't be different then 'normal update'
[20:25] <Trunkz> As soon as vmware finishes, i'll get things hooked up.
[20:25] <Docteh> and if it does break, you can always reinstall or whatever else you'd have done :)
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sorry about this but:
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> pastebinit grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:26] <ubuntuLover2> Unable to read from: grub-mkconfig
[20:26] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg 2>&1 | pastebinit
[20:26] <dodddummy> the windows not switching when clicked on is starting to bug me.
[20:26] <topyli> mzz, thanks, but it didn't help
[20:26] <mzz> topyli: same failure in dmesg, and you didn't double the backslashes?
[20:27] <dodddummy> doesn't seem to be a mouse or xorg thing as it only happens on the taskbar
[20:27] <topyli> mzz, i did not double them
[20:27] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f4753f877
[20:27] <mzz> topyli: (assuming you're editing fstab, if you're doing "mount -t cifs ..." you do need to double them)
[20:27] <theacolyte> So... installing dual boot alongside Windows 7 - installer seems to favor my 2nd drive to install if I want to boot side by side. Is there a way that I'm missing to have it install on sda instead of sda?
[20:27] <theacolyte> sdb, rather
[20:27] <topyli> mzz, i edited fstab and yes dmesg returns the same error
[20:27] <Docteh> Trunkz: do an update when the main channel is full of people asking when exactly the release isos will be available ;)
[20:27] <mzz> topyli: is mount.cifs installed?
[20:28] <topyli> mzz, no :D
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: (that is: does /sbin/mount.cifs exist, which is provided by the smbfs package?)
[20:28] <Trunkz> Docteh: lol.
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: don't install that one just yet
[20:28] <Trunkz> I just havent used ubuntu in a while
[20:28] <Trunkz> and thought i'd use this sandbox as a test, until i can get the varius kernal modules working on my ps3 install.
[20:28] <mzz> topyli: sec, testing
[20:28] <yermandu> how i can uninstall pulseaudio
[20:28] <Docteh> ah
[20:29] <dtchen> yermandu: just disable it; deinstalling it is rather hairy
[20:29] <topyli> mzz, btw i just installed smbfs before seeing you telling me not to. should remove?
[20:30] <mzz> topyli: my dmesg complains about "no username specified" with your mount options
[20:30]  * mzz adds one
[20:30] <mzz> topyli: I wouldn't bother with mount.cifs unless you know you need it
[20:31] <mzz> topyli: works for me with your mount options after adding username=blah
[20:32] <rward> my main problem with U1is that it cant log in.  I can log in through Firefox, but not the U1 app
[20:32] <topyli> mzz, let's see
[20:32] <mzz> topyli: anything interesting in dmesg other than "cifs_mount failed w/return code..."?
[20:33] <mzz> topyli: I'd expect you to get the same "Unknown mount option" complaints for codepage, unicode and umask I'm getting
[20:33] <topyli> mzz, i do get those, and also missing username. i think you're onto something :)
[20:33] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, http://pastebin.com/f4753f877
[20:33] <rward> well sometimes  :-S
[20:36] <topyli> mzz, 'username=guest' instead of just 'guest' works. thanks a million!
[20:36] <eyebee> just installed karmic UNR RC on my AA1. Getting Kernel errors each time. Anyone else getting this? I realize it's not stable yet.
[20:36] <mikehh> if I have an up to date beta install is there any point installing the RC
[20:36] <mzz> topyli: and my backslashes vs forward slashes thing was actually wrong, both work
[20:36] <mzz> mikehh: no
[20:37] <topyli> mzz, well i have backslashes now but i guess it's no matter
[20:37] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: odd, digging
[20:37] <aguitel> any way to downgrade grb2 ?
[20:38] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yeah me 2
[20:38] <rward> perhaps when the 9.10 is released in 3 days, according to main website, it will be corrected oh well ill see
[20:39] <eyebee> I like what I see in 9.10 so far though. Some nice GUI improvements in my opinion
[20:39] <Martyn> Ugh
[20:39] <Martyn> Too many bugs with PHP in Karmic for 9.10-server
[20:39] <Martyn> zlib.so is missing, which breaks WordPress and other php based solutions .. and php was compiled with debug symbols .. so it's slow
[20:39] <Martyn> gruble
[20:39] <aguitel> any way to downgrade grub2 to legacy ?
[20:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: weird. Is that an up to date version of grub-pc and grub-common?
[20:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I can't find that error message in my local version of grub
[20:40] <thegodhimself> Could someone please help me. I downloaded Karmic and seem to have problems with the video during the installation procedure. I was wandering if I should report it as a bug?
[20:40] <mzz> aguitel: probably, the "grub" package is still grub 1
[20:40] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I can re-install it?
[20:40] <aguitel> mzz, no
[20:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade if you haven't recently
[20:40] <mzz> aguitel: no?
[20:40] <aguitel> mzz, beta
[20:40] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sorry I meant getting it again... yes I did update before running this but will again
[20:41] <mzz> aguitel: I don't know what you mean. The "grub" package in karmic seems to be grub legacy ("grub-pc" and "grub-common" are grub 2)
[20:41] <aguitel> mzz, i am running karmic rc
[20:41] <bjsnider> nice to see the gnome thumbnailer no longer tries to thumbnail gigantic movie files
[20:42] <aguitel> mzz, my system boot up slowly
[20:42]  * mzz groans
[20:42] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, just to confirm the pckage is grub-pc right?
[20:42] <eyebee> yes bjsnider nice one that.
[20:42] <mzz> aguitel: you asked "any way to downgrade grub2 to legacy?" and I attempted to answer that question. I have no idea what what you're saying now has to do with that question or my answer
[20:43] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: grub-pc and grub-common
[20:43] <bjsnider> eyebee, you ever have that problem where the thumbnailer takes down nautilus trying to do that?
[20:43] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yep both newest version apt is telling me
[20:43] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: puzzling.
[20:43] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, gld we're both on the same square :D
[20:43] <eyebee> I don't recall it lately, bjsnider, but I'm only running this on a netbook right now, and no large video files on this.
[20:44] <ubuntuLover2> *glad
[20:44] <cowgarden> can someone help me with my soundcard? even found a tutorial, but it did not help
[20:44] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: ah, there we go, it's in os-prober
[20:44] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, in english pease? :)
[20:45] <aguitel> mzz, when the system boot up ,first appears "grub loading" and 30 seconds later appears the grub menu
[20:45] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys" and rerun grub-mkconfig
[20:45] <spasticteapot> Are there any major bugs I should know about? So far, everything has worked beautifully.
[20:45] <bjsnider> analog stereo duplex was not the right setting for this sound card by default. should be digital stereo duplex
[20:45] <mzz> aguitel: I don't know what's up with that. I was trying to answer the question I actually saw you ask (the one about grub legacy).
[20:46] <mzz> spasticteapot: I haven't hit any showstoppers, although the generated grub 2 not picking up my jaunty's separate /boot correctly was annoying
[20:46] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, new pastebin: http://pastebin.com/f40af9cd6
[20:46] <cowgarden> bjsnider, are you talking to me?
[20:46] <bjsnider> cowgarden, no, why?
[20:46] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, that worked now :D
[20:46] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that looks healthy now, so proceed with grub-install /dev/sda iirc
[20:46] <cowgarden> bjsnider, have a soundcard that does not work and wonder what to do...
[20:47] <bjsnider> cowgarden, how do you know it doesn't work?
[20:47] <xrandr> cowgarden: what kind of soundcard?
[20:47]  * mzz must remember to grep through os-prober too when looking for error messages
[20:47] <ubuntuLover2> mzz,  do you want the pastbinit of the output?
[20:47] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: only if there are error messages
[20:47] <cowgarden> xrandr, dmx 6fire 24/96  with an ice1712 core i think
[20:48] <xrandr> cowgarden: did u check on the ubuntu forums?
[20:48] <cowgarden> xrandr, analog in and output working and I'd be pleased allready
[20:48] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, installation finished. no error reported, in its own words.
[20:48] <cowgarden> xrandr, I found this tutorial but it di not work: http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=it&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.de-side.com%2Fblogs%2F2009%2F10%2F01%2Fterratec-dmx-6fire-2496-su-ubuntu-karmic-910%2F
[20:49] <mzz> yay
[20:49] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: could attempt a reboot, just in case
[20:49] <LinDrug_> Hi guys, every time I boot these messages appear multiple times: "One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted" "swap:waiting for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" "Press ESC to enter a recovery shell" Is this the LUKS bug which is listed in known issues?
[20:49] <MrKeuner> Hello, my mouse's right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. how can I see what may be wrong with my mouse, mouse settings, or something else?
[20:49] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, ok do I need to first unmount the hdd?
[20:49] <mzz> LinDrug_: afaik it's ignorable
[20:49] <cowgarden> xrandr, how is the new audio thing called, is it pulseaudio?
[20:49] <xrandr> cowgarden: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=997506            |                  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=843012
[20:50] <mzz> LinDrug_: (setting up cryptswap taking a bit longer than the scripts like, so they're telling you what they're waiting on in case things actually got stuck)
[20:50] <cowgarden> xrandr, I'm talking about karmic (9.10)
[20:50] <xrandr> cowgarden: it might be able to help u
[20:50] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, trying to umount /mnt says the device is busy :-s !
[20:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I usually do, although it probably does the right thing if you don't
[20:50] <cowgarden> xrandr, it worked with 9.04
[20:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: you need to "exit" the chroot and cd elsewhere if you're currently in /mnt
[20:51] <dtchen> cowgarden: you need an explicit channel map
[20:51] <dtchen> cowgarden: it's really an alsa-lib issue
[20:51] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, not in /mnt
[20:51] <LinDrug_> mzz: ah, ok, thx.
[20:51]  * mzz rephrases
[20:51] <cowgarden> dtchen, ok, do you think google will get me any further on that issue or can you tell me how to make such a channel map?
[20:52] <bullhornx> ive installed 9.10, everything worked perfect, ive updated everything, it was still perfect
[20:52] <bullhornx> later 2-3 reboots and sound is gone
[20:52] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: you need to "exit" the chroot if you're currently still chrooted. You also need to cd any shell that's sitting in /mnt elsewhere.
[20:52] <bullhornx> sudo alsa force-reload fixes it but its annoying
[20:52] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, exited chroot no other shell i in /mnt .. still busy an't umount!!
[20:53] <artnie> anyone played around with apt-build? :)
[20:53] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: "fuser -m /mnt" (it *is* mounted on /mnt, right?)
[20:53] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, yes it is
[20:53] <asraniel> hi there. anybody knows what the prefered way is to install new dictionaries for openoffice? (french, german..)
[20:54] <artnie> asraniel: apt-get :)
[20:54] <cowgarden> dtchen, and do you have the same soundcard?
[20:54] <mzz> asraniel: probably "apt-get install language-support-fr"
[20:54] <mzz> asraniel: (and the same for other languages, obviously)
[20:55] <asraniel> artnie: ok, and what package? there are quite a few spelling realted. aspell, ispeel, thesaurus etc
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, still can't umount after last suggested command
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: what did that output?
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, nothing
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: that's unusual.
[20:55] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: still "busy"?
[20:55] <artnie> asraniel: what language do you need?
[20:55] <ubuntuLover2> yeah
[20:56] <mzz> asraniel: language-support-blah is a metapackage that depends on most of those, see the description
[20:56] <dmatt> mzz: what about running fsck for that ubuntuLover hdd? too many issues there
[20:57] <asraniel> artnie: german and french. mzz: thanks, i'll try that
[20:57] <mzz> dmatt: not while it's mounted. I don't understand why my fuser call didn't work, unless I misremembered the arguments.
[20:57] <artnie> asraniel: apt-cache search openoffice | egrep "ger|fre"
[20:58] <mzz> language-support-de and language-support-fr really are easier and should do what you want. There even seems to be a separate ui for installing those (system -> administration -> language support)
[20:59] <dmatt> mzz, its fuser -c for current directory
[20:59] <td123> hows ubuntu 9.10 looking?
[20:59] <mzz> td123: brownish
[20:59] <ubuntuLover2> lol
[20:59] <mzz> dmatt: fuser -m should include those
[21:00] <td123> mzz: I could have guessed that :D
[21:00] <ubuntuLover2> td123, sweet eye candy if you can get it working ;)
[21:00] <cowgarden> td123, mzz became slightly darker and has some better fitting logos, less polish so
[21:00] <artnie> td123: nice it is even without that :)
[21:01] <mzz> cowgarden: please use more punctuation, you confused me
[21:01] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, what's wrong with the Polish?! I love them, great people.
[21:01] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, should I just reboot ignoring the umount issue?
[21:01] <mzz> specifically, please s/mzz/mzz:/
[21:01] <cowgarden> mzz, sry, usually autocomplete does that for me
[21:01] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: probably safe, although fuser not complaining is confusing me
[21:02] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, the logos are less polished and more saturated and milky or something
[21:03] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, yeah I know I'm running it from the Live CD as we chat ;o)
[21:03] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, the pixel style is great :)
[21:03] <ubuntuLover2> cowgarden, I'm particularly fond of the loading screen...
[21:04] <artnie> ubuntuLover2: you still can't install it ? :)
[21:04] <ubuntuLover2> mzz... should I? should I just? I can barely wait to see if it worked...
[21:04] <cowgarden> what sound thing am I using with 9.10? pulseaudio/alsa/?? and what of that is new (and made my soundcard stop working)
[21:04] <ubuntuLover2> artnie, too long a story to explain yes and no :)
[21:05] <mzz> cowgarden: newer version of pulse (and alsa via a newer kernel), but no fundamental changes I'm aware of
[21:06] <cowgarden> mzz, so how comes we have volume control on an application basis now?
[21:06] <ubuntuLover2> artnie, mzz and dmatt have been amazing at helping...
[21:06] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, I think I uninstalles it somehow :(
[21:06] <mzz> cowgarden: pulse (pavucontrol could do that already, gnome-volume-control got a bit of an upgrade in that area)
[21:06] <cowgarden> ubuntuLover2, had to get rid of some xubuntu things
[21:06] <artnie> cowgarden: i'm using alsa with Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family)
[21:07] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, I'm going for the shutdown button
[21:07] <cowgarden> mzz, artnie, oh why the heck it just doesnt work now :)
[21:07] <cowgarden> "<dtchen> cowgarden: you need an explicit channel map" thats all I got for now
[21:07] <mzz> !soundtroubleshooting
[21:08] <mzz> err
[21:08] <mzz> !sound troubleshooting
[21:08] <draconis> I finally figured out the USB keyboard issue on resume, which happened on all HAL-distros
[21:08] <mzz> bah, I apparently forgot the factoid
[21:08] <mzz> cowgarden: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting may be worth reading
[21:08] <draconis> I just added a sleep.d script which rmmod's usbhid on suspend/freeze, and modprobe's usbhid on resume/thaw
[21:08] <cowgarden> mzz, thx
[21:09] <cowgarden> mzz, could it help to disable the onboard card?
[21:10] <draconis> cowgarden: alsa issues?
[21:10] <mzz> cowgarden: it's possible pulse is defaulting to the wrong card, but I'd expect the volume control to make it fairly obvious if that happened
[21:10] <ubuntuLover2> dmatt, mzz, is it ok to reboot or are you still trying to find a way to umount /mnt ?
[21:10] <mzz> draconis: sound issues, no clue if they're pulse or alsa
[21:10] <mzz> ubuntuLover2: I'm waiting for you to reboot
[21:10] <draconis> it's helpful to disable pulse and test the sound with alsa alon
[21:11] <cowgarden> draconis, obviously yes...
[21:11] <ubuntuLover2> mzz, sweet, brb either as ubuntuLover or ubuntuLover2
[21:11] <ubuntuLover2> peace
[21:12] <MrKeuner> mouse's *only* right click does not work after karmic update. Left click and middle click does work. Anybody heard such a thing before?
[21:12] <cowgarden> mzz, yea, volume control should work, finds my card too and onboard works to. I turned all knobs up in alsamixer too
[21:13] <robotti^> thank you!
[21:13] <robotti^> my wlan is working now :D
[21:13] <mzz> MrKeuner: no, but a few things worth checking: does xmodmap -pp print a sane modifier map, does xev report any event at all when you press the dead button, and does dmesg report anything odd about the mouse?
[21:13] <robotti^> but touchpad not so good
[21:13] <robotti^> :D
[21:14] <ubuntuLover> mzz, bad news... same black screen with blinkin cursor... argh!
[21:14] <MrKeuner> mzz, xev does not report anything for the dead mouse I am checking the rest now
[21:15] <draconis> speaking of which is there a small volume control applet that only depends on alsa?
[21:15] <MrKeuner> err dead button I mean
[21:15] <ubuntuLover> I think this is a hardwarre issue... maybe a low level format will help
[21:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I seriously doubt it, since grub (and presumably ubuntu's installer) are *writing* grub just fine
[21:15] <draconis> I used to use ossxmix, but OSS doesn't support my usb headset very well
[21:15] <mzz> ubuntuLover: some kind of bios <-> grub 2 incompatibility seems more likely
[21:16] <ubuntuLover> mzz, :'(
[21:16] <mzz> ubuntuLover: or the drive not being in lba mode, in which case you'll get weird failures if grub isn't near the front of the drive, as mentioned earlier
[21:16] <robotti^> oh yeas
[21:16] <mzz> draconis: afaik gnome does have an alsa volume control applet but ubuntu doesn't build it
[21:16] <mzz> draconis: I haven't looked for it, it may be in a different package or a ppa
[21:17] <MrKeuner> mzz, xmodmap -pp prints two columns: physical button and Button code each row goes from for(i=1 to 32) print(i \t i)
[21:17] <mzz> MrKeuner: seeing a 1:1 mapping there is sane
[21:17] <MrKeuner> ok checking dmesg
[21:17] <ubuntuLover> mzz, it starts to sound like too much trouble for me to care to be honest... :(
[21:17] <draconis> mzz: most likely it's just not compiled
[21:17] <mzz> yep
[21:17] <ubuntuLover> mzz, so getting a new hdd would not help either if the bios is the prob
[21:18] <mzz> ubuntuLover: might, might not. This is (obviously) not all that easy to debug, since the system gets stuck well before the kernel has even booted, so you can't conveniently run debugging tools
[21:18] <robotti^> Hello! I have two buttons on my keyboard on laptop for screen brightness
[21:18] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yeah I know, hence why nothing on google helpedna nd why this is my last shot
[21:19] <draconis> mzz: I recall having to hunt down the package name for SDL's OSS support, that was worse though... flash, sdl, openal, etc, all had to be configured
[21:19] <peepsalot> man, the repo servers are sloow right now
[21:19] <ubuntuLover> mzz, but hey at least I can run my usb pen...
[21:19] <peepsalot> any folks here going to a local release party?
[21:20] <robotti^> if I push those, it draws little applet about using setting brightness. But screen brightness does not change. It appeared after I installed Nvidia drivers
[21:20] <MrKeuner> mzz, could not see any errors: http://pastebin.ws/3sntxr
[21:20] <draconis> mzz: hmm, it's probably just in an older distro version
[21:20] <secc> !isitoutyet
[21:20] <mzz> heh
[21:20] <robotti^> I cannot set less brightness for screen.
[21:20] <secc> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen
[21:20] <robotti^> it is sad
[21:20] <mzz> MrKeuner: I'd look for a bit of context around those messages, and possibly compare that to what an older kernel logs, assuming it worked there.
[21:21] <mzz> MrKeuner: also possibly interesting: see if "evtest" (from the "joystick" package) sees events when run on the matching /dev/input/ device
[21:21] <mzz> MrKeuner: if "evtest" doesn't see that button either the problem's with the kernel driver. If "evtest" sees it but "xev" does not the problem's with the X driver (usually the "evdev" one)
[21:21] <ubuntuLover> mzz, dmatt, good night everyone... thanks for your time despite the pointless result. I really appreciate it.
[21:22] <MrKeuner> mzz, could it be related to this error message I keep getting? [70173.504058] hub 2-0:1.0: over-current change on port 1
[21:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: doubt it
[21:22] <mzz> MrKeuner: (that doesn't sound like something that'd affect only one mouse button)
[21:22] <codeknight> hi, I just found out that after upgrading to kubuntu 9.10 my internal card reader isn't recognized anymore.
[21:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: u still can use fsck to check that disc, errors might prevent from booting
[21:23] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, thanks, will look that up
[21:23] <dmatt> ubuntuLover: and that low level format, mzz might be more prone to agree now
[21:23] <mzz> dmatt: yes, but it completely silently getting stuck would be weird, and iiuc he tried more than one install since the working version of ubuntu
[21:24] <dtchen> cowgarden: simply search Launchpad for ice1712 and pulseaudio
[21:24] <mzz> no, I'm not
[21:24] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, mzz seems to disagree about low level format
[21:24] <cowgarden> dtchen, thx
[21:24] <theacolyte> part
[21:24] <dmatt> ubuntuLover, good luck then
[21:24] <ubuntuLover> thanks
[21:24] <mzz> dmatt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_formatting#Transition_away_from_LLF
[21:25] <natewiebe13> just installed 9.10 amd64 and karmic is only showing 2.9 GB where i have 4GB
[21:25] <draconis> when I try to run with init=/bin/sh, there's just a hang. I doubt it has anything do do with this silent freezing
[21:26] <mzz> dmatt: this really doesn't seem like that kind of problem anyway, although I guess running a long smart selftest never hurts
[21:26] <dmatt> mzz, it was meant more this way: use manufacturer tool to diagnose and reformat that disc
[21:27] <mzz> dmatt: I'd run "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" and only resort to manufacturer tools if that finds problems
[21:27] <The_Man_Behind_t> Has anyone had problems with udev after downgrading from Karmic to Jaunty?
[21:27] <The_Man_Behind_t> For some reason, after I downgraded udev is having problems and the kernel event manager won't start
[21:27] <yacc> http://pastebin.com/m4f60683e <= I wonder if this is just my mirror or a generic issue?
[21:28] <mzz> !downgrade
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> >_<
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> Naturally
[21:28] <natewiebe13> anyone having a limit of 2.9GB on 64bit version of karmic?
[21:28] <draconis> well, was it an actual downgrade? or just reinstalling?
[21:28] <The_Man_Behind_t> Actual downgrade
[21:29] <domjohnson> bye
[21:29] <domjohnson> How do you do an actual downgrade?
[21:29] <MrKeuner> mzz, heh, cannot find the /dev/input device my bluetooth mouse might be using... mouse0,1,2,3 did not work
[21:29] <draconis> well, basically setting all the repos to the previous version, update, dist-upgrade
[21:29] <mzz> MrKeuner: you need the "event" devices
[21:29] <mzz> MrKeuner: going through /dev/input/by-path or by-id is usually most convenient
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> Draconis, for the love of god don't do it
[21:30] <draconis> but... it's not one-to-one. if you upgrade and downgrade, you won't end up with what you had
[21:30] <draconis> APT isn't that advanced
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> It's fricked my system completely and no udev won't configure
[21:30] <The_Man_Behind_t> *now
[21:30] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, fsck says teh partition is clean
[21:30] <draconis> The_Man_Behind_t: oh, heck, there are -packages- that I won't even install for reasons of not being able to reverse them
[21:30] <mzz> draconis: pretty sure a bigger problem than apt is a bunch of pre/post install/rm scripts not coping
[21:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: fsck -f
[21:31] <ubuntuLover> dmatt, low level formatt is the next step... which tool can I use for this?
[21:31] <mzz> ubuntuLover: again, I really don't recommend messing around with manufacturer tools unless "smartctl -t long /dev/sda" confirms there's a problem
[21:31] <dmatt> try also mzz suggestion: smartctl -t long /dev/sda
[21:31] <ubuntuLover> mzz, nope, the manual said to use fsck.ext4 /partition
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: (that'll take an hour or so, after which you can run "smartctl -a /dev/sda" to get results)
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: yes, but that won't do very much if the partition unmounted cleanly. Try "fsck.ext4 -f /partition".
[21:32] <mzz> ubuntuLover: (see the manpage)
[21:33] <MrKeuner> mzz, evtest does not see it either. left mouse, wheel and movements are just fine but right button does not work
[21:33] <mzz> MrKeuner: hardware- or kernel-level (driver) problem then
[21:33] <MrKeuner> could it be a problem with bluetooth system?
[21:34] <ubuntuLover> mzz, passed all fsck stages with -f
[21:34] <MrKeuner> mzz, I'll check it on my spouses mac os laptop
[21:34] <mzz> MrKeuner: if you have many buttons you can remap one to be the right mouse button using xmodmap
[21:35] <EagleScreen> xdg-open is not working for me to open a html file (Kubuntu)
[21:35] <GodfatherofEire1> Guys, how can I get the session-indicator-applet to display my name instead of my login again?
[21:36] <c_korn> GodfatherofEire1: I don't think this is configurable.
[21:36] <GodfatherofEire1> c_korn, i coulda sworn that it had my name instead of my login before
[21:36] <c_korn> unfortunately it is less configurable than fusa
[21:37] <c_korn> GodfatherofEire1: yeah, it replaces the fast-user-switch-applet in karmic but does not have its options
[21:37] <GodfatherofEire1> c_korn, I know, but thats what I meant, before on Karmic, i coulda sworn it had my name, not the login
[21:38] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme?
[21:39] <secc> ^^ what he said, but more earnestly
[21:39] <GodfatherofEire1> (what happened was i removed it, in getting rid of libempathy-30, but before I did that, i coulda sworn it had that)
[21:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, smartctl returned a lot of hdd info... want to see it?
[21:40] <mzz> ubuntuLover: yes
[21:40] <mzz> GodfatherofEire1: afaict it displays your login in the panel and your name in the menu when you click that
[21:41] <ubuntuLover> mzz, how if I can't install pastebinit?!
[21:41] <natewiebe13> anyone else running karmic x86_64??
[21:42] <mzz> ubuntuLover: err, redirect output to a file and pastebin that manually using a browser?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, most here are , that's what the +1 means
[21:43] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: no.. i mean the 64 bit version
[21:43] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[21:44] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: ive got 4 gb of ram.. using the "sudo lshw | grep -A 200 memory | grep size:" command, it shows that i have 4GB installed.. but in "system monitor" it only shows 2.9GB
[21:44] <BluesKaj> yes, I am on 64karmic
[21:44] <stpere> secc: we are still waiting for the upstart theme
[21:45] <mzz> the what now?
[21:45] <secc> stpere, it is top secret huh? you mean the startup theme?
[21:45] <secc> or the final theme?
[21:45] <mzz> stpere: upstart is a daemon and doesn't really do themes :)
[21:45] <secc> anywya, will karmic look different and shiny and feel like some hot chick is licking and blowing cool air over my nut sack?
[21:45] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: any ideas? how much ram are you being shown?
[21:46] <maco> !ohmy | secc
[21:46] <maco> secc: seriously, gross
[21:46] <ubuntuLover>  mzz, dmatt, http://pastebin.com/m4161b6fb
[21:46] <maco> take it elsewhere
[21:46] <BluesKaj> 2G , which is correct
[21:46] <natewiebe13> BluesKaj: why am i only being shown 3GB when i have 4GB??
[21:47] <secc> maco, ? What? I have a sack full of various nuts and seeds that I use as a healthy snack alternative? and why the hell would that be gross?
[21:47] <mzz> ubuntuLover: that's before smartctl -t long /dev/sda, right?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, , check again , maybe you were looking at your swap
[21:48] <mzz> natewiebe13: I'd check "free -m" and/or /proc/meminfo, just in case whatever tool you're using is weird
[21:48] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yes, I haven't ran it with "long"
[21:48] <mzz> ubuntuLover: looks healthy so far. I'd run a long selftest just in case (takes 92 minutes)
[21:49] <ubuntuLover> mzz, how do I do that?!
[21:49] <The_Man_Behind_t> I must leave, but if anyone can help my problem please post in http://tinyurl.com/yhaj6lq (ubuntu forums)
[21:50] <mzz> ubuntuLover: "smartctl -t long /dev/sda", find something interesting to do for 92 minutes, then "smartctl -a /dev/sda" again (usually smartctl -a will tell you if the selftest's still in progress)
[21:51] <mzz> ubuntuLover: you can use the system while that selftest runs, but I wouldn't reboot and I'd try not to use the drive too much or it'll take even longer.
[21:52] <ubuntuLover> mzz, oh I see the long flag does the long self test... duh!
[21:53] <ubuntuLover> mzz, why -t and not -a ?
[21:54] <natewiebe13> mzz, BluesKaj: http://www.natewiebe.com/Screenshot.pong
[21:54] <natewiebe13> sorry
[21:54] <natewiebe13>  http://www.natewiebe.com/Screenshot.png
[21:54] <mzz> ubuntuLover: -a prints all information, -t blah runs a selftest. See the manpage.
[21:54]  * mzz considers calling his screenshots .pong from now on
[21:54] <hsarci> what package can i install for xvid/divx playback?
[21:54] <Xcell> Good morning/Evening:  Fresh install: has there been changes to compiz?  or  can i not move cube with mouse scroll anylonger?
[21:54] <natewiebe13> mzz: any ideas?
[21:55] <mzz> natewiebe13: curious.  Can be re-enabled through ccsm, afaik.
[21:55] <mzz> natewiebe13: yes
[21:56] <mzz> hsarci: I'd expect totem to install the relevant plugin(s) automatically, although you might have to restart totem after triggering the install
[21:56] <ubuntuLover> mzz, it says test has started to make myself confortable and ask someone for a relaxing back rub
[21:56] <Xcell> any particular switch i should be switching?
[21:56] <mzz> Xcell: I don't currently use compiz, so I'm not going to look it up for you
[21:57] <Xcell> ok
[21:57] <natewiebe13> mzz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/301597/
[21:58] <Xcell> thank you for your time
[21:59] <MrKeuner> mzz, could not test it. Spouse's laptop's bluetooth module has possible died :( Thanks for your insights
[21:59] <natewiebe13> Xcell: i can say that they have made the scroll wheel not change workspaces.. no idea how to turn it back on
[22:00] <Xcell> ya.. i saw that.. just wondering what direction i should look in so i could have an idea..
[22:00] <mzz> natewiebe13: hmm. Are you sure the bios memtest does see the full 4G?
[22:00] <maccam94> is anyone else having trouble with flash videos randomly pausing?
[22:00] <fcuk112> Xcell: it was a bit distracting anyway, you're better off without it.
[22:01] <Xcell> for me personally its an asset
[22:01] <fcuk112> i sometimes triggered it by accident.
[22:01] <natewiebe13> when i go to bios setup.. it shows an overview of the hardware and shows 4GB installed.. also the one command in the screenshot shows 4GB as well
[22:01] <natewiebe13> mzz: ^
[22:01] <secc> so, did karmic get a new theme? ????????questionmark
[22:01] <ubuntuLover> mzz, should I see hdd light activity during the test?
[22:01] <jpds> secc: Yes.
[22:01] <secc> \o/
[22:01] <secc> jpds, screenshot?
[22:02] <jpds> No, I don't use it.
[22:02] <Xcell> other than that.. its systems go.. nice job.
[22:02] <secc> oh, I'll googlefap it
[22:02] <mzz> ubuntuLover: I don't know about the activity light, but the hd itself should be active
[22:02] <topyli> secc, i suggest you clean up your language a bit, in order to better succeed on ubuntu channels
[22:02] <BluesKaj> natewiebe13, don't worry about the monitor , it's obviously wrong
[22:02] <choman> anyone here testing with a Dell Latitude D600?
[22:03] <mzz> natewiebe13: not sure. Would hunt for known issues with your mobo chipset not exposing all memory.
[22:03] <Xcell> have a good day folks..
[22:03] <mzz> natewiebe13: trying a different kernel or os may also be interesting
[22:03] <fcuk112> anyone have x-fi here?
[22:03] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: i do
[22:03] <natewiebe13> x-fi platinum
[22:03] <mzz> BluesKaj: err, no. dmesg says "Memory: 3082320k/3144256k available" and free -m also sees ~3 G
[22:04] <mzz> BluesKaj: this really isn't just system-monitor, the kernel only picks up 3G while apparently it should be 4
[22:04] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: do you use 5.1 speakers with it?  i am having some problems connecting 2.1 speakers to my fatal1ty pro.
[22:04] <EagleScreen> hi
[22:05] <secc> I googledfaped, saw, and came.
[22:05] <natewiebe13> mzz: why then does "sudo lshw | grep -A 200 memory | grep size:" show 4GB?
[22:05] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: what kind of issues?
[22:05] <EagleScreen> dksm cannot install module bcmwl, how can I find out why?
[22:05] <mzz> natewiebe13: I have no idea what lshw bases that information on
[22:05] <natewiebe13> okay..
[22:05] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: http://superuser.com/questions/60271/5-1-x-fi-soundcard-with-2-1-speakers
[22:05] <nalioth> let us be civil
[22:06] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: do you have 2.1 speakers or 5.1?
[22:07] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: i use 5.1, but there are bad distortions.. there is a bug in it.. so im using 4.0 config right now.. try changing the different sound profiles in "sound preferences"
[22:07] <Gika> hello
[22:08] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: i have tried, but without any joy.
[22:08] <Gika> archive.canonical.com doesn't show in the "origin" section of my synaptic, is that normal behavior?  it used to show in jaunty
[22:08] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: it's currently set to analog surround 5.1.
[22:09] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: how do i set it so that it outputs correctly to 2.1?  there is actually no option for 2.1 setup.
[22:09] <mzz> Gika: I'd only expect that to show up if you have the "partner" repo enabled (and possibly something installed from it too)
[22:09] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: yeah.. right click on the sound applet.. click sound preferences
[22:10] <natewiebe13> under the hardware tab.. click on SB X-Fi and change the profile underneath
[22:10] <Gika> i have the repo in my sources.list, mzz -- it just doesn't show in synaptic.  i think it doesn't even recognize it since it marks my "acroread" package as "local"
[22:10] <mzz> Gika: did you successfully apt-get update recently (after adding that to sources.list)?
[22:10] <Gika> yes, mzz
[22:10] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: if i just select stereo output, i get no sound.
[22:11] <natewiebe13> make sure you are plugged in the right output
[22:11] <mzz> Gika: odd, then. Sorry, I don't really want to randomly install something from that repo just to see if I get the same here
[22:12] <Gika> mzz: it should show in synaptic even if there's nothing installed from it (that would make it impossible to install something from that repo...)
[22:12] <natewiebe13> mzz: only reason i installed amd64 version of karmic was for the extra ram.. theoretically the pae kernel for i386 would do that?
[22:12] <BullHorn> im on 9.10rc, soundcard is lost each boot untill i do sudo alsa force-reload
[22:12] <BullHorn> anyone else encountered that?
[22:12] <mzz> Gika: ah, you're right (I don't use synaptic much)
[22:12] <Xcell> I found the proper switching.. thanks
[22:13] <mzz> natewiebe13: to some extent, afaik, yes.
[22:13] <simba_> for some reason firefox wont close properly when i close it, so i have to do a kill to stop "/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3/firefox"...anyone else have this?
[22:13] <dutchie> is this a good place to ask about making grub 2 work?
[22:13] <natewiebe13> mzz: the onyl reason for the more ram was blender..
[22:13] <natewiebe13> *only
[22:13] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: wtf i was plugged into the wrong output, sigh.
[22:14] <natewiebe13> fcuk112: figured
[22:14] <natewiebe13> :P
[22:14] <fcuk112> natewiebe13: thanks for your help.
[22:14] <natewiebe13> no probs
[22:14] <mzz> natewiebe13: specifically: pointers are still 32 bit, so there's still a limit on the address space any single process can access
[22:14] <Gika> mzz: problem solved (in a pretty random fashion i'd say), thanks anyway!
[22:16] <dutchie> anybody know about grub
[22:16] <dutchie> 2
[22:16] <dutchie> ?
[22:17] <dmatt> !grub2
[22:17] <BullHorn> i hate how ubuntu runs perfectly and then out of the blue, bang, something is different and nobody knows why
[22:18] <dutchie> thanks for that, but it seems to ignore my GRUB_TIMEOUT setting
[22:18] <BullHorn> its not fun going sudo alsa force-reload each boot
[22:18] <dutchie> http://pastebin.com/f7d8af517 is /etc/default/grub
[22:18] <BullHorn> and this only happened on the first day
[22:18] <BullHorn> what will happen in a year? ill have a handicapped os in a wheelchair?
[22:18] <BullHorn> :<
[22:18] <mzz> unfortunately I don't seem to hit all that many weird random glitches
[22:19] <mzz> as long as pulse-based sound works reasonably well I'm just not motivated to dig into debugging it
[22:19] <BullHorn> im not motivated into debugging anything
[22:20] <BullHorn> i just want it to work like it worked 5 minutes before it suddenly stopped working ._.
[22:20] <choman> anyone here testing with a Dell Latitude D600?
[22:21] <dmatt> dutchie: try GRUB_TIMEOUT="3"
[22:21] <dupondje> damn :( I fuxored my grub2 on my pc, any idea how to recover ? can't boot :(
[22:22] <Gika> dupondje: boot with a live cd
[22:23] <test34> simba_, once in a while it happens to me
[22:25] <dupondje> omg
[22:25] <dupondje> GnomeBaker can't even burn an iso ? :(
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Drive needs to reload the media to return to proper status.
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Cannot load media with this drive!
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Try to load media by hand.
[22:26] <dupondje> wodim: Aborted by EOF on input.
[22:26] <mzz> dupondje: burn an existing one? brasero did that just fine out of the box here
[22:26] <dupondje> and Brasero: DBus error org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor.NotFound: The given volume was not found
[22:27] <mzz> but especially if that's a rewritable disk you might simply have to reload by hand as the message says
[22:28] <dupondje> mzz: its just not possible, the burning ends ..
[22:35] <thune3> brasero died before burning for me with udf and regular 9660 burns on 9.10rc had to massage growisofs command to remove lists
[22:36] <FiveAcres> Bullhorn:  Do you know if there has been a bug accepted for the sound problem.  I am apparently having the same on my Lenovo Ideapad Y510.
[22:36] <dupondje> pfft :( dmraid & grub
[22:37] <dupondje> its still not a funny thing :§
[22:37] <FiveAcres> I thought I found a bug for it in Launchpad, but now I can't find it.
[22:37] <david_01> how do I change the login menu to NOT show user names for selection?
[22:39] <jrood> i upgraded to grub2, and made some mistake in the instalation
[22:39] <jrood> so now it doesn't work
[22:39] <jrood> does anyone know how to revert back to grub 1 with a live cd?
[22:41] <jrood> anyone?
[22:44] <jrood> there is a ton of people in here, someone must know how to reinstall grub from a live cd
[22:44] <dmatt> jrood: check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[22:44] <yacc> Has anyone noticed that with current Karmic the rescue mode does not work?
[22:44] <dmatt> !grub2
[22:44] <ikonia> yacc: define does not work ?
[22:45] <jrood> i didn't think it even had a rescue mode
[22:45] <jrood> thanx dmatt
[22:45] <mzz> bah, the grub.cfg generation really is a bit clunky. I can't even force a hidden timeout easily if I have a secondary os installed.
[22:46] <yacc> ikonia, my laptop complains in mountall that it could not mount everything (for whatever reason), grabs the console and offers to give me a shell if I press Esc. Now the rescue mode pop ups it's text mode menu, on the same console, two programs that try to read the same console, chaos :(
[22:46]  * mzz resorts to 40_custom
[22:46] <ikonia> yacc: I've not seen that behaviour at all
[22:47] <yacc> ikonia, well, have you managed mountall to offer you a shell?
[22:47] <Cyberkilla|AFK> mzz: I wouldn't mind making the hide unless SHIFT pressed thing work myself. I have Vista in another partition though: (
[22:47] <VXxed> HI!  I have an issue.  I don't think my acpi is loading properly
[22:47] <mzz> Cyberkilla: another thing is that while having the menu displayed at 1024x768 is really pretty the mode switch is noticably slow. So I think I'll hack it up to only do the mode switch if shift is held.
[22:48] <yacc> Actually, when not going into rescue mode, it seems to work fine (it seems that mountall waits for devices to come up), but then I've got this little problem with nvidia crashing on me when I open a terminal ;)
[22:48] <Desmond> Question: what is Ubuntu+1
[22:48] <Desmond> ?
[22:48] <ikonia> yacc: why would nvidia crash on a non-X display
[22:48] <VXxed> Version 9.10
[22:48] <yacc> Desmond, karmin
[22:48] <ikonia> Desmond: a channel for 9.10 discussion
[22:48] <yacc> karmic
[22:48] <Desmond> yacc, ikonia, thanks
[22:49] <yacc> ikonia, when I boot without rescue mode, X11 comes up, but crashes e.g. when I start urxvtcd :(
[22:49] <VXxed> So, does anyone know how to fix issues with acpi loading and whatnot?  My laptop fans aren't exactly spinning and I don't want to destroy the cpu
[22:49] <Cyberkilla> mzz: Did you find a way to make it hide until shift is pressed, or does that remain an ongoing issue with GRUB2?
[22:49] <mzz> Cyberkilla: I'm doing that now
[22:49] <ikonia> yacc: X shouldn't come up, sounds like a problem
[22:49] <yacc> Desmond, actually it's the channel for discussion of the next release of Ubuntu, so in about 2 week it's will be for 10.4
[22:50] <yacc> ikonia, not in rescue mode. X11 SHOULD come up during normal boot, I'd say.
[22:50] <Desmond> yacc, makes sense
[22:50] <ikonia> yacc: yes, in normal boot it should,
[22:50] <Desmond> Anyone here  a macbook pro user who has found success?
[22:50] <Cyberkilla> mzz: Ah, okay. Good luck then;-) It's a needless pause in the boot process.
[22:50] <ikonia> I've just come down from using my macbook pro upstairs
[22:50] <bjsnider> the crackbook should work. it's mostly intel/atheros/nvidia stuff
[22:51] <ikonia> it's called a "Mac Book"
[22:51] <bjsnider> it is?
[22:51] <mercutio22> Hello
[22:51] <yacc> Anyway, I today did not manage to boot up Karmic anymore. I had panics (capslook blinks), crashing nvidia, and an unuseable rescue mode ;)
[22:52] <mercutio22> I think my boot options are lacking the latest kernel options. How can I update it?
[22:52] <mercutio22> I don't find menu.lst
[22:52] <yacc> mercutio22, update-grub?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: sudo update-grub
[22:52] <mercutio22> yacc, Jordan_U Thats it?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Karmic uses GRUB2, which uses grub.cfg instead of menu.lst
[22:53] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Yes
[22:53] <yacc> mercutio22, yep.
[22:53] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I will give it a shot
[22:53] <mercutio22> brb
[22:53] <DevelopmentStage> What's the easiest way to configure startup services in Karmic?  I used to use rcconf but it does not work in Karmic (bug perhaps?)
[22:53] <m0ar> How to install KDE 4.3.2 at karmic?
[22:54] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:54] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: From ubuntu 9.10?
[22:54] <bjsnider> assuming he's already using kde
[22:54] <yacc> ikonia, and to make my happyness complete, the vesa driver does not work on my card either ;)
[22:54] <m0ar> Now using gnome..
[22:55] <ikonia> yacc: now that is dissapointing
[22:55] <dupondje> lol this is a joke? Can't even burn an ISO on Karmic :(
[22:55] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: I'm using gnome atm, and it's a clean install, never used kde at it
[22:55] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: download the Kubuntu liveCD and install then do the upgrade..
[22:55] <RussellAlan> where can i find some info on cloud? what it means etc
[22:55] <yacc> ikonia, yeah, my HP2050eg tablet has a hate/love relationship with Ubuntu, with a tendency to the hate side :(
[22:55] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: Won't that install a whole new OS? ;s
[22:56] <DevelopmentStage> m0ar: It is more trouble than it is worth trying to turn a Gnome system into KDE..It's a mess
[22:56] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Uh, not it isn't.
[22:56] <DevelopmentStage> Unless you have something like Gentoo that can do slots
[22:56] <wgrant> m0ar: Just install the kubuntu-desktop package.
[22:56] <VXxed> yacc: I found a link earlier today that's great for configuring tablets
[22:56] <ziroday> m0ar: install kubuntu-desktop and then take a loo at !purekde
[22:56] <wgrant> That will install Kubuntu as well.
[22:56] <bjsnider> wgrant, he doesn't have karmic right now
[22:56] <m0ar> wgrant: Never been like that, always been adding repos etc..
[22:57] <m0ar> DevelopmentStage: Really?  I just want to try it, not stay with it.. I never get that intimate with KDE :D
[22:57] <yacc> ikonia, since Jaunty thermal shutdowns (nobody at Ubuntu seems to take that serious, they are just merging all, atleast partially different bugs that mention thermal shutdown), ...
[22:57] <wgrant> m0ar: Why are we talking about adding repos?
[22:57] <mzz> Cyberkilla: close! timeout works but I broke the switch to a graphical terminal
[22:57] <mzz> Cyberkilla: well, lack of timeout really
[22:57] <m0ar> wgrant: To install kde?     It makes it SO much easier to run things like KDE and Gnome on same machine without any conflicts
[22:58] <wgrant> m0ar: You just need to install the 'kubuntu-desktop' metapackage. It has been the same since... Ubuntu 5.10?
[22:58] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: err, what?
[22:58] <yacc> VXxed, I don't need the tablet part that much, and btw, since Jaunty it works reasonably well for a casual user.
[22:58] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: and have all the Gnome menu icons in KDE? No thanks..
[22:58] <m0ar> wgrant: For 4.3.2?
[22:58] <m0ar> wgrant: Okay, will try then.. Thanks
[22:58] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: ?
[22:58] <ziroday> !purekde > DevelopmentStage
[22:58] <VXxed> yacc: I think the main part of that link that I remember and will later use is how to config the proprietary screen buttons
[22:58] <wgrant> m0ar: 4.3.2, yes.
[22:58] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: slotting has to do with running multiple versions of the same program, not with running (say) kde and gnome. And you can normally fake it by using different package names.
[22:58] <Jordan_U> DevelopmentStage: You can just configure the .desktop files for KDE apps to only show in KDE and vice versa
[22:59] <m0ar> wgrant: May ~500 mb be correct?
[22:59] <Jordan_U> DevelopmentStage: Or if you really want use a chroot
[22:59] <wgrant> m0ar: That sounds about right.
[22:59] <m0ar> wgrant: Okay, thank you very much! <3
[22:59] <m0ar>  :D
[22:59] <DevelopmentStage> OK, I want to know the preferred way to configure startup services in Karmic.  rcconf does not work (perhaps I should file a bug)?
[22:59] <yacc> VXxed, well, I've got more basic troubles (thermal ones, although the newest Karmic kernels are only ~15° warmer then hardy), kernel panics, crashing X11, and so on ;)
[22:59] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: (one gentooism ubuntu might not offer is the ability to install more than one version of kde in parallel)
[23:00] <wgrant> mzz: And what a loss that is...
[23:00] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: and if it doesn't work filing bugs is usually appropriate :)
[23:00] <yacc> ikonia, any idea how to approach the problem?
[23:00] <mzz> wgrant: I'm just guessing at why he's mentioning slots here
[23:00] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: karmic moved to Upstart for lots of services.
[23:00] <VXxed> yacc: Yeah, my fans aren't turning on in Karmic...I'm pretty sure it's an acpi loading issue, but nobody's around that can seem to help
[23:00] <m0ar> wgrant: Hm.. I get to intimate in #linux and #ubuntu/-1
[23:00] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: I'm not sure if there is a tool for that, but you need to play around in /etc/init
[23:00] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: yes but HOW DO I CONFIGURE them?  Simple question
[23:00] <ikonia> yacc: I'd first of all search the hardware for known problems/version supports
[23:00] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: define "them"
[23:00] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: looks like update-grub is not being able to update my boot options properly
[23:01] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: How so?
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> mzz avahi, br1llty, timidity, etc..
[23:01] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: My first attempt would be to rename the relevant .conf file to .conf.disabled
[23:01] <wgrant> Ah.
[23:01] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: afaict most services you might actually want to toggle are still sysv init scripts, and I'd expect the old tools to still work on them
[23:01] <wgrant> Some of those will still be legacy.
[23:01] <wgrant> So should be configured the same as always.
[23:01] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: avahi is upstart now iirc, checking the rest
[23:01] <wgrant> But avahi is upstart.
[23:01] <wgrant> Right.
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> --sigh--
[23:01] <yacc> VXxed, well, it's not the fans in my case, it's probably the way the CPU is handled, but the thermal issue has me pissed off, notbecause it's not fixed, that can be, but just merging obviously different problem descriptions because they have the same subject :(
[23:01] <DevelopmentStage> How can I know what is upstart and what isnt?
[23:02] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Stuff in /etc/init is upstart. The rest is not.
[23:02] <yacc> ikonia, where do I search that?
[23:02] <ikonia> yacc: interenet
[23:02] <DevelopmentStage> I hate having a gazillion services start that I dont need
[23:02] <yacc> ikonia, google?
[23:02] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I still have jaunty linsted! What can I do?
[23:02] <ikonia> yacc: make a list of your hardware and check what versions of things like the kernel each hardware device needs and known bugs
[23:02] <Jordan_U> !minimal | DevelopmentStage
[23:02] <VXxed> yacc: Blech.  That's no good.
[23:03] <DevelopmentStage> Jordan_U: thanks Jordan, maybe I will just do a fresh install with minimal
[23:03] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: It's likely that you only have your jaunty kernel listed, you can remove old kernels ( and other things ) in System > Administration > Computer Janitor
[23:03] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: the others are sysv, assuming you meant brltty. The old tools really should work for those, I'm pretty sure.
[23:03] <yacc> ikonia, nice idea, but to make a list of my hardware I currently need a live CD of some other linux distribution :(
[23:03] <carpenike> hi alll, how do I add a boot parameter to my kernel line in grub2?
[23:03] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: rcconf doesnt work..try it for yourself.  It lists services as being disabled that are running and vice versa
[23:04] <Jordan_U> carpenike: Edit /etc/default/grub
[23:04] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: I will try that
[23:05] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: rcconf will most likely show wrong things about services managed by upstart
[23:05] <carpenike> Jordan_U: if i want to add pci=nomsi to the kernel line, which variable do i edit?
[23:05] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: I take it there is no tool to configure upstart services?
[23:06] <|RussellAlan|> anyone have projector knowledge?
[23:06] <|RussellAlan|> woops
[23:06] <Jordan_U> carpenike: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[23:06] <carpenike> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash pci=nomsi"
[23:06] <carpenike> look right?
[23:06] <yacc> ikonia, using the laptop name and Karmic and Jaunty return mostly my own error reports.
[23:07] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: rename them to disable them, or remove the packages if you really don't need them ?
[23:07] <DevelopmentStage> for some reason the command "sysvinit" does not work even though I have it installed
[23:07] <yacc> ikonia, OTOH, all reports of sucessful installs refer to older releases, like Hardy.
[23:07] <JanC> or edit the upstart config for that service
[23:07] <VXxed> On the same point that carpenike is asking
[23:07] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: Where is the upstart config?
[23:07] <mmcji> i have the latest RC1 of ubuntu 9.10 installed on a Dell E5500 Latitude.  This laptop has Intel GMA 4500 video.  Laptop resolution if fine, but I am not able to adjust video resolution when connected to a larger widescreen LCD.  What can I do?
[23:07] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: What do you expect 'sysvinit' to do?
[23:07] <VXxed> Is "GRUB_MDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="acpi=force" correct?
[23:08] <nxnn14> Hi all I just performed an update within Karmic. I update daily and when I clicked to restart my comp it got stuck on the splash screen and wont boot and I have tried to restart but it isnt booting into ubuntu
[23:08] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: like you've already been told, in /etc/init/
[23:08] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: Allow me to configure services..According to google at least.
[23:08] <mzz> VXxed: no (CMDLINE, to MDLINE)
[23:08] <mzz> s/to/not/
[23:08] <DevelopmentStage> I want something simple, like a menu with little checkmarks..Like rcconf used to do..I dont want to go mucking around in /etc/init.d
[23:08] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: hit google over its virtual head, it's not making sense
[23:09] <dupondje> pfft wtf, Brasero can't even handle to burn a simple ISO ?
[23:09] <JanC> not /etc/init.d/ but /etc/init/
[23:09] <mzz> dupondje: worked for me :(
[23:09] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: whatever you get my point
[23:09] <mzz> dupondje: it's really not fair, I don't get all those fun mysteriously failing programs even though I might be able to debug the problem
[23:09] <dupondje> !pastebin
[23:10] <ikonia> yacc: hence known bugs/problems
[23:10] <bjsnider> mzz, you've set your system up correctly, no doubt
[23:10] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: I have a thingy called sysv-rc-conf installed that *looks* like it offers the checkmarks you're after, but I'm not going to sanitycheck it right now
[23:10] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: From google:  This is a text-based application that allows you to configure which services are started at boot time for each runlevel. It is simple interface for configuring runlevels. sysvconfig is just like ntsysv under Red hat Linux.
[23:10] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/301630/
[23:10] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: svsvinit != sysvconfig
[23:10] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: that's what sysvconfig does
[23:11] <DevelopmentStage> sysvconfig then..sorry
[23:11] <mercutio22> I just upgraded from jaunty a few minutes ago. "uname -a" reveals I am using an old kernel and I only see jaunty options at grub. How can I fix that? update-grub will not do.
[23:11] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: you really use runlevels ?
[23:12] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: and according to aptitude, sysvinit has replaced sysvconfig, so they are the same thing
[23:12] <dupondje> mzz
[23:12] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/301630/
[23:12] <mzz> mercutio22: wild guess would be grub 2 got installed, your new kernels are configured in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but grub 2 never got written to the mbr or the boot sector used. In which case "grub-install /dev/sda" (sanitycheck the partition used there!) might help, or might make your system not boot at all :)
[23:12] <mercutio22> mzz: thanks
[23:12] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: What are you trying to achieve? Nothing good or useful, is my guess.
[23:12] <DevelopmentStage> JanC: Yes I use runlevels because Linux uses runlevels last I checked?
[23:13] <DevelopmentStage> wgrant: To shutdown services that take up RAM, that's what!
[23:13] <mzz> wgrant: I haven't actually tried to achieve this yet, but I want a bunch of services like cron disabled if I'm booted into the realtime kernel
[23:13] <JanC> no, sysvinit uses runlevels, upstart emultes them, and several distro's don't use them...
[23:13] <dupondje> now it doesn't see the cd-rom drive anymore
[23:13] <dupondje> wtf :(
[23:13] <HBX> i've been getting slow downs and reporting problems with apps
[23:13] <bjsnider> i don't know what services would be started that you'd definitely not need by default
[23:13] <HBX> kernel crashes too
[23:13] <mercutio22> mzz: I will try that and report back
[23:14] <DevelopmentStage> bjsnider: Many..  On Jaunty I probably shut down a dozen services when I first installed it.  Karmic has totally changed everything and I can no longer do it
[23:14] <carpenike> Ok that fixed it.
[23:14] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: runlevels are a sysvinit thing (although replacement init systems may use something similar, and while karmic uses upstart it runs a sysvinit emulation layer on top). "Linux uses runlevels" is inaccurate.
[23:14] <zniavre> !grub2
[23:14] <carpenike> How do i install the app that allows me to play encrypted dvds in 9.10?
[23:14] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: did you try uninstalling those services?
[23:14] <bjsnider> DevelopmentStage, a dozen services? come on, that's hyperboli
[23:14] <mzz> also, JanC already said all that more concisely :)
[23:14] <Jordan_U> !dvd | carpenike
[23:14] <carpenike> thanks.
[23:15] <dupondje> this feels so sad :(
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> I am amazed that it is so difficult to simply turn a service on or off..Fedora has a little GUI menu where you can do it in 30 seconds..Why cant Ubuntu do this?
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> bjsnider: Yes I would say 8-10, no kidding
[23:15] <wgrant> DevelopmentStage: Because very, very few people have any need at all to do it, and we are in the middle of a big migration to Upstart.
[23:15] <wgrant> It is rightly not a high priority.
[23:15] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: "sudo service blah stop" works, and I'd expect the tools you're used to to still work for the sysv ones. Again: if they don't: file bugs if there aren't any yet
[23:15] <test34> DevelopmentStage, are you sure you don't mean 4-5?
[23:15] <mercutio22> mzz: No... I still ony see jaunty options and splash screen is messed up, a mix between jaunty and karmic
[23:15] <DevelopmentStage> test34: No I mean 8-10 at least
[23:16] <mzz> mercutio22: which grub menu do you get? Iirc grub reports its version at the bottom of the screen.
[23:16] <dupondje> ok and now ? can't wipe the disk, can't find the disk
[23:16] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: which ones (just curious)?
[23:16] <dupondje> its broken :(
[23:16] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Did you remove your old kernels?
[23:16] <jar> Anyone else have an issue on netboox remix where gnome-terminal always opens in / rather than ~ ?
[23:16] <seb_1024> hi, just upgading and I have lots of dbus_move_error() errors
[23:17] <JanC> DevelopmentStage: why don't you remove those packages you don't need?
[23:17] <DevelopmentStage> I dont need avahi, I dont need braile, I dont need cups, I dont need bluetooth, I dont need laptop-mode, I dont need pcmiautils
[23:17] <DevelopmentStage> and others,.,.this is a partial list
[23:17] <e3co> GoodJob on the OS. This is the first Ubuntu I have not had update problems with
[23:17] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Those kernel entries are supposed to be there as a fall back in case there are problems with the karmic kernel after upgrade, you can remove them
[23:17] <mercutio22> mzz: I don't see any version number at the bottom of the screen ={
[23:17] <rockrat> hello
[23:17] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: the laptop stuff I'd just purge if this isn't a laptop (the system I on is, so I'm not going to check if that's doable)
[23:17] <mzz> drat
[23:18] <mzz> can someone tell me off the top of their head how you tell the grub legacy and grub 2 menu apart? :)
[23:18] <wgrant> Isn't the version string up the top somewherE?
[23:18] <e3co> grub-version
[23:18] <mmcji> this is the first version of ubuntu I have not been able to get widescreen resolution working on larger LCD screens.  odd thou that 1280x800 works just fine on the laptop it's self.  Any suggestion on getting 1440x900 to work on larger LCD monitor?
[23:18] <wgrant> I don't remember; I don't see GRUB any more.
[23:18] <mzz> mercutio22: ah, what wgrant said?
[23:18] <Jordan_U> mzz: One is menu.lst the other is grub.cfg
[23:18] <mzz> Jordan_U: I know, but how do you tell which one you're actually getting at boot time?
[23:18] <rockrat> i am experiencing occasional lockouts, specially while using firefox. is it ok or do i need to fix something ?
[23:18] <JanC> mzz: the editor in grub2 is a lot more fancy for example  ;)
[23:18] <mercutio22> wgrant: I don't see it
[23:18] <mzz> Jordan_U: I guess we could compare menu.lst and grub.cfg to what's actually in the menu but that seems a bit error-prone
[23:19] <e3co> wgrant:  sounds like you don't have wait time set to a time
[23:19] <Jordan_U> mzz: GRUB2 shows it's version at the top if you show the menu
[23:19] <mzz> ah, great, thanks
[23:19] <e3co> 1.98 right?
[23:19] <mzz> mercutio22: so it's at the top, not the bottom
[23:19] <wild_oscar> hey! are there any known issues with portmap, nfs-kernel server at startup?
[23:19] <Jordan_U> e3co: 1.97 beta4 ( final won't make it to karmic before release )
[23:19] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: how to show the menu
[23:19] <mercutio22> ?
[23:19] <JanC> mzz: oh, and grub2 uses left shift to get into the menu, while grub1 used Esc
[23:19] <Jordan_U> mercutio22: Hold shift at boot
[23:19] <e3co> Jordan_U:  oh
[23:19] <mmcji> i have not had any issues with nfs on 9.10
[23:19] <dupondje> wodim: Input/output error. read error on input file
[23:19] <wild_oscar> if I install nfs-kernel-server, neither postfix nor nfs-kernel-server start on startup
[23:20] <dupondje> ROFL :( input file on blank cdrw ? :x
[23:20] <mercutio22> Jordan_U: thanks, lets see
[23:20] <wild_oscar> mmcji: do you have the kernel-server ?
[23:20] <wild_oscar> ie, nfsd
[23:20] <mmcji> yes
[23:20] <mzz> dupondje: so what was the actual wodim command giving you that
[23:20] <wild_oscar> ffs...I don't know what could be happening
[23:20] <mzz> dupondje: also: did you manually eject and re-insert the disc (this is frequently necessary after blanking)
[23:20] <mmcji> did you define your exports ?
[23:20] <wild_oscar> if I install nfs-kernel-server it happens, if I uninstall everything works
[23:21] <wild_oscar> mmcji: it doesn't start when exports is blank, right
[23:21] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ wodim blank=fast /dev/cdr
[23:21] <mmcji> i do not know really, i just configured it and then did exportfs -a
[23:21] <mmcji> after restarting the nfs-kernel
[23:22] <mmcji> no issues for me after that
[23:22] <DevelopmentStage> mzz: How do I purge "laptop-mode?"  There is no such package in aptitude..
[23:22] <mzz> dupondje: iirc that's not the right syntax, try either just "wodim blank=fast" or "wodim blank=fast dev=/dev/cdr"
[23:22] <mercutio22> mzz, Jordan_U I see grub loading stage 1.5 very quick, but no version either on top or bottom of the screen whether or not I press shift...
[23:22] <DevelopmentStage> What is the name of the package that provides "laptop-mode"
[23:22] <mmcji> on the client side, you just need nfs-common and portmap
[23:22] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: dpkg -S $(which laptop-mode) knows
[23:22] <wild_oscar> the biggest issue is that it is preventing postfix from starting
[23:22] <mzz> DevelopmentStage: or dpkg -S /etc/init.d/laptop-mode depending on what you mean
[23:22] <mzz> mercutio22: ok, that's grub 1
[23:22] <mmcji> I am not running postfix, so you have an element I am not working with.
[23:23] <DevelopmentStage> thanks mzz that worked
[23:23] <mzz> mercutio22: you upgraded from jaunty to karmic, right? I'm assuming you're ok with upgrading to grub 2
[23:23] <mercutio22> mzz: yes, I am
[23:23] <mercutio22> mzz: any clues?
[23:23] <mzz> oh, ugh
[23:23] <rockrat> where can i find recent system messages ?
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: looks like grub (legacy) installs /sbin/grub-install while grub-pc (grub 2) installs /usr/sbin/grub-install
[23:24] <mercutio22> mzz: so i just run the script on the later path?
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: the latter normally comes first on $PATH though. Can you check if you still have grub 1 installed and purge it if it is?
[23:24] <mercutio22> mzz: sur
[23:24] <mzz> mercutio22: (and I'm assuming you have something bootable to recover, I'm not being careful to avoid making the system unbootable)
[23:25] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah, I have some cds here
[23:25] <mzz> rockrat: various files in /var/log, or "dmesg|tail" if you meant just kernel messages
[23:26] <rockrat> mzz: thanks
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: ok.. I am purging it
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: and chose grub2 for installation
[23:27] <mzz> mercutio22: then run grub-install some more
[23:27] <mzz> I'm assuming you have grub-pc installed
[23:27] <rockrat> mzz: repeating msg >> [ 8556.883756] sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
[23:27] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah.. I just installed it now
[23:27] <Bookman> Since upgrading to 9.10, Evolution can no longer send email via smtp.  It just times out trying to connect.  I'm not sure what went wrong or how to check.
[23:27] <rockrat> mzz: i am not using disc
[23:28] <mzz> mercutio22: hmm, weird. I wonder if you somehow ended up with grub-common but not grub-pc or something.
[23:28] <mzz> no, that can't be it
[23:29] <wild_oscar> mmcji: could you try to install postfix to see if the issue happens?
[23:30] <mercutio22> mzz: yeah! it worked! =]
[23:30] <mzz> still odd
[23:30] <mercutio22> mzz: I get Grub2 now
[23:31] <mercutio22> mzz: and karmic kernel options
[23:31] <mzz> mercutio22: I should've spent more time figuring out what broken state you'd gotten into instead of just getting you out of it
[23:31] <cowbud> Bookman: is the server you are connecting to local or remote? and have you tried just connecting to the port with telnet?
[23:31] <nemo> about once a day
[23:31] <nemo> on launching vlc
[23:32] <mercutio22> mzz: how can I help? maybe I can revert changes?
[23:32] <nemo> it stutters every second or two while playing in an irritating fashion unless I shut it down, do a killall pulseaudio, then restart it :(
[23:32] <nemo> sooo annoying
[23:33] <mzz> mercutio22: don't bother
[23:33] <mzz> (I doubt it'd put you back in the same state)
[23:33] <mzz> nemo: I have totem deadlocking on me occasionally. Just started actually gathering data on that one.
[23:33] <nemo> hm. haven't used totem lately.
[23:33] <mzz> (it usually does it on loading a new movie, and the ui thread deadlocks)
[23:33] <nemo> but it did do that plenty before
[23:34] <mzz> I stored a bunch of stacks before I killed it the last time I hit this, so I can compare stacks if it happens again
[23:34] <nemo> oh. I was getting the crashes on trying to hit close, searching launchpad revealed an open bug and a ton of stacks
[23:34] <nemo> don't think I've run into yours before
[23:35] <mzz> if it gets into this state I have to "force quit" it (the ui thread deadlocks)
[23:36] <ubuntuLover> mzz, the hdd test still hasn't said that it finished and it's 10mins after estimated finish time!
[23:37] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice "reading database" when updating has become really slow?
[23:37] <nemo> mzz: I expect odd pa stuff may be biggest source of issues in 9.10
[23:37] <nemo> at least judging from my friends and I
[23:38] <jar> I'm absolutely no stranger to editing /etc/fstab .. but is there SERIOUSLY not a front-end to this yet?
[23:38] <jar> Really?
[23:38] <jar> Heh.
[23:38] <rockrat> mzz: /var/log/messages is being flooded by message >> Oct 26 05:34:39 xXx pulseaudio[1733]: alsa-source.c: Resume failed, couldn't restore original fragment settings. (Old: 65536/65536, New<PHONE_NUMBER>/65532)
[23:38] <nemo> jar: whatcha doin'?
[23:38] <rockrat> mzz: cpu is at 100%
[23:38] <mzz> jar: there was one, iirc
[23:38] <jar> nemo, Not much.
[23:38] <nemo> (that doesn't have a frontend) :-p
[23:38] <mzz> ubuntuLover: smartctl -a has a progress percentage in it somewhere
[23:38] <DanaG> !find dns_sd.h
[23:38] <jar> mzz, Was does no good now.
[23:38] <jar> ;)
[23:39] <mzz> rockrat: weird. What's spending cpu?
[23:39] <mzz> jar: sec, searching
[23:39] <mzz> !info pysdm
[23:39] <ubuntuLover> mzz, won't that jeopordize the test done so far?
[23:39] <mzz> jar: ^^^
[23:39] <rockrat> mzz: firefox
[23:39] <jar> mzz, It's not the fact I need one. I'm just seriously LOL'ing that there's not an Ubuntu supported and shipped app for it.
[23:39] <mzz> ubuntuLover: not normally, no
[23:39] <yacc> So where does one post tracebacks?
[23:40] <jar> also, mzz. That script looks terribly hacky and has NO place in a distro release.
[23:40] <mzz> jar: slightly puzzled me too, but if you're mostly gui-bound you can just mount through the "places" menu, and if you're not you can edit /etc/fstab
[23:40] <mercutio22>  something wlse worries me. I got a pop-up saying my disk is dieing =P
[23:40] <rockrat> mzz: firefox >> waiting channel: futex_wait_queue_me
[23:40] <mzz> jar: that bad? I used it once but I didn't read it first
[23:40] <jar> mzz, that's a terrible solution for people with data drives.
[23:40] <Jordan_U> jar: Why?
[23:40] <wgrant> jar: Which is a very small subset of users.
[23:40] <jar> wgrant, Wrong..
[23:41] <mzz> jar: if you're mostly gui-based it looks like gnome is smart enough to mount the drive if you need it
[23:41] <mzz> jar: (at least it's doing that with my bookmarked network drive)
[23:41] <jar> mzz, yeah but if you have a data hard drive with all your music on it and you open rhythmbox.. you're S.O.L
[23:41] <mzz> jar: rhythmbox is exactly what seems to be mounting the network drive for me here
[23:41] <yacc_> So where does one post tracebacks?
[23:42] <yacc_> No idea what exactly causes them.
[23:42] <mzz> rockrat: not sure how you managed that one, sorry
[23:42] <mzz> yacc_: what kind of tracebacks?
[23:42] <jar> mzz, I think it's seriously just funny that something as basic as making sure the system mounts something at boot isn't configurable without sudo vim /etc/fstab
[23:42] <Jordan_U> jar: Why? You can set a drive to auto mount from nautilus
[23:42] <rockrat> mzz: ok thanks, nvm
[23:42] <jar> Jordan_U, That's not really GNOME's job.
[23:42] <yacc> mzz, kernel oops.
[23:43] <mzz> yacc: "ubuntu-bug linux" iirc
[23:43] <rockrat> bb
[23:43] <jar> JonathanD, /etc/fstab exists for a reason and should be configurable without sudo vim/nano/emacs /etc/fstab
[23:43] <ubuntuLover> mzz, yep, it's finixed with no errors
[23:43]  * jar shakes his head
[23:43] <ubuntuLover> *finished
[23:43] <mzz> jar: must admit I was slightly puzzled by it myself, but arguably it makes sense because if you have multiple *internal* partitions you probably know about fstab and if you have multiple *external* ones you probably shouldn't automount them
[23:44] <DanaG> Error: The stylesheet https://my.calpoly.edu/cas/login was not loaded because its MIME type, "text/html", is not "text/css".
[23:44] <DanaG> Source File: https://my.calpoly.edu/cas/login?service=https%3A%2F%2Fblackboard.calpoly.edu%2Fwebapps%2Flogin%3Fnew_loc%3D%252Fwebapps%252Fportal%252Fframeset.jsp%253FuseCas%253D1%2526tab%253Dcourses%2526url%253D%252Fbin%252Fcommon%252Fcourse.pl%253Fcourse_id%253D_33314_
[23:44] <DanaG> Line: 0
[23:44] <yacc> mzz: hope that works without X11 ;)
[23:44] <mzz> jar: there aren't *that* many cases where you actually need an editor like this (the most obvious one is adding a second internal hd when ubuntu is already installed on the primary)
[23:44] <DanaG> er
[23:44] <DanaG> sorry, wrong tab.
[23:44] <jar> mzz, that's still a poor excuse.
[23:44] <mzz> jar: I'm not saying there aren't cases where they're useful, but I think you're overestimating how necessary mount at boot is if you mainly (only) use gui apps
[23:44] <jar> assuming that just because someone has two hard drives they should know how to edit fstab is insane
[23:44] <maco> and if you have physical access to change hard drives but not root access... O_o
[23:45] <mzz> ubuntuLover: then I seriously doubt any kind of formatting will help
[23:45] <bjsnider> DanaG, what are you trying to use to load that  page?
[23:45] <jar> mzz, It could easily be added to Disk Utility anyways..
[23:45] <mzz> jar: if they have two disks at ubuntu install time the installer deals with it correctly
[23:45]  * DanaG can't get his danged eSATA drive to auto-mount at boot.
[23:45] <wgrant> jar: Disk Utility is brand new and unfinished.
[23:45] <DanaG> And when I plug it in, it demands authentication... and has no "remember me, **** you!" function.
[23:45] <ubuntuLover> mzz, back to square 1 then
[23:45] <jar> wgrant, It ships so I can complain if I want to :)
[23:45] <wgrant> Perhaps devicekit-disks will support the functionality that you seek eventually.
[23:46] <mzz> jar: again: I actually agree with you that this is something I expected to be there, but it turns out that as long as I stick to the gui utils mount at boot isn't critical.
[23:46] <MrKeuner> mzz, now I think it could really be hardware problem. When I click strongly it works :( Sorry for bothering...
[23:46] <DanaG> And then it gives "Authentication Denied" for the other of the two partitions.
[23:46] <jar> wgrant, Why should we be relying on devicekit when fstab exists for this very reason?
[23:46] <maco> jar: more constructively, you could fix it
[23:46] <maco> dont whine unless youve at least filed a bug
[23:46] <DanaG> Yeah, instead of queueing the requests... it makes one, and the other errors out!
[23:46] <jar> maco, Canonical can hire me if they want me to take time out of my life for products they get paid for.
[23:46] <jar> Also, RedHat.
[23:47] <jar> Since they actually code it.
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: /etc/network/interfaces exists for static configuration, but Network Manager is the preferred way for desktop users to configure networks.
[23:47] <DanaG> What happened to the PolicyKit "Remember Authentication" feature!
[23:47] <DanaG> s/!/?/
[23:47] <maco> jar: ah another one of those "all you volunteers are suckers" people? well see if we wanna fix your stuff....
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: I imagine the same may happen for disk mounting; it's simply much more convenient and better for users.
[23:47] <mzz> DanaG: yeah, I've been wondering about that. Might be mia for polkit 1 (as opposed to 0.9)
[23:47] <jar> wgrant, And we all have seen how reliable Network Manager is.. hint, WiCD exists for a reason..
[23:47] <wgrant> jar: I haven't had problems with NM in more than 18 months.
[23:47] <wgrant> And I don't think WiCD exists for a reason any more.
[23:47] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Remembering permission and remembering an eSATA password are slightly different
[23:47] <wgrant> If you have problems, file a damn bug.
[23:47] <maco> jar: wicd was created back when drivers werent all standardizing on the one interface NM uses. now they all do, and it works dandy
[23:48] <jar> I haven't had issues with NM in more than.. 8 days.
[23:48] <maco> maybe your hardware's fubar?
[23:48] <DanaG> All my NM issues have mostly turned out to be IWLAGN sucking.
[23:48] <jar> Haha.
[23:48] <mzz> only problem I've had with NM was with a gsm modem usb thing, and that mostly went away in karmic's NM
[23:48] <wgrant> jar: If you didn't file a bug, you didn't have a problem.
[23:48] <DanaG> Yeah, the new policykit lacks the "remember me" thing.
[23:48] <jar> wgrant, Known bugs. I don't need to throw in a "me too"
[23:48] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice "reading database" when updating has become really slow?
[23:48] <DanaG> And the gnome policykit thingy doesn't even SHOW any devkit stuff!
[23:48] <mzz> oh, the other problem I've had with it is cnetworkmanager isn't in ubuntu
[23:48] <maco> jar: you could throw in a patch
[23:48] <mzz> Ian_Corne: that's purely io-bound here
[23:49] <DanaG> In fact, all I see in Authorizations is this:
[23:49] <jar> maco, I'm not a Canonical employee. I'm good.
[23:49] <mzz> Ian_Corne: if it suddenly got slower I'd attempt to check other io-bound things
[23:49] <DanaG> policykit: revoke, read, modify, grant.
[23:49] <maco> jar: neither am i. doesn't prevent me from submitting patches.
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> nah it's been like this for a while
[23:49] <DanaG> hal: device access: directly access colors.
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> for a friend of mine too
[23:49] <maco> jar: foss existed 20 years before canonical did.
[23:49] <DanaG> Surely there should be more than just 5 total authorizable things listed!
[23:49] <Ian_Corne> and on diffrent devices
[23:49] <maco> jar: just because it exists now does not mean everyone should expect payment to fix what bothers them
[23:49] <jar> maco, Indeed.. I'm well aware of RMS and the FSF
[23:50] <mzz> DanaG: most likely the list you're getting is only for polkit 0.9 stuff, which is hardly anything.
[23:50] <jar> And their extreme objection to Ubuntu
[23:50] <maco> jar: but it seems youve never heard of scratching your own itch, only of whining like a baby
[23:50] <jar> So maybe invoking them isn't the best idea?
[23:50] <jar> :)
[23:50] <DanaG> Hmm, where's a panel for polkit 1?
[23:50] <wgrant> jar: Nobody invoked RMS and the FSF.
[23:50] <mzz> well, *you* did
[23:50] <wgrant> jar: FOSS isn't just them...
[23:50]  * mzz just drops this conversation.
[23:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/432281
[23:50] <jar> wgrant, You're ignorant to say that F/OSS over 10 years ago wasn't exclusively the FSF and Richard Stallman.
[23:51] <jar> But hey.
[23:51] <jar> Have fun.
[23:51] <jar> My question has been answered and you have a good'n.
[23:51] <jar> ;)
[23:51] <maco> jar: the vast majority of ubuntu developers are volunteers. it is unfair for you to say "hey, volunteers, WORK HARDER!" but refuse to do anything yourself, even something which would *benefit* you. it shows a complete lack of appreciation and an attitude that developers probably don't want to reward by helping you.
[23:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1-gnome/+bug/445315
[23:52] <jar> maco, Have a great day ;)