[07:32] <MartijnVdS> good morning everyone!
[07:47] <dwatkins> hiya MartijnVdS
[09:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:47] <Lil-|^Red> Meanwhile in South Korea http://www.youtube.com/user/officialpsy?feature=inp-lt-psy-us
[09:58] <brobostigon> wow, on my eeepc, while doing apt-get update, the load have gone over 105.
[10:07] <brobostigon> just went down to under 20, very weird behaviour.
[10:56] <NET||abuse> hi folks, i have a really irritating with my ethernet connection
[10:57]  * dwatkins assumes NET||abuse accidentally a word
[10:57] <jacobw> :)
[10:57] <NET||abuse> huh?
[10:58] <NET||abuse> :P my nick is an old joke from #perl that stuck
[10:58] <NET||abuse> anyway,
[10:58] <NET||abuse> or do you mean i forgot a word in my question?
[10:58] <dwatkins> Yes, NET||abuse.
[10:58] <NET||abuse> well, doesn't matter, my connection detects that i plug in the wire.
[10:59] <NET||abuse> but on any given boot up, the dhcp never succeeds.
[10:59] <NET||abuse> i reboot andd it can work every second or third bootup
[10:59] <dwatkins> Does the card show up in lspci and is the module loaded for the card as shown in lsmod?
[11:00] <NET||abuse> ok, one sec
[11:00] <NET||abuse> lspci output is    00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04)
[11:01] <NET||abuse> trying to find it in lsmod
[11:01] <dwatkins> also, does the card show up in ifconfig?
[11:01] <NET||abuse> yeh, it shows up in ifconfig
[11:02] <NET||abuse> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr d4:be:d9:10:84:a1   ... etc.
[11:02] <dwatkins> and if you disable and re-enable networking from the icon near the clock, does it work?
[11:02] <NET||abuse> anyway, on the gui side, the cable goes in. it starts dhcp searching.
[11:02] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've tried that.
[11:02] <NET||abuse> i disconnect the cable and the icon on the top bar notices
[11:03] <NET||abuse> i reconnect then it shows upthere too, and setarts to search but doesn't find it.
[11:03] <NET||abuse> i've tried the disconnect menu option before, i'll try it now again.
[11:05] <jacobw> What happens if you try to connect and disconnect to the wired network a few times?
[11:05] <popey> brobostigon: not weird, just io intensive on a machine with a slow storage device
[11:05] <NET||abuse> jacobw: tried it about 3 times already this boot.
[11:06] <brobostigon> popey: good point, yes. very true.
[11:06] <NET||abuse> the disconnect menu option and the reconnection eht0_auto option isn't working also
[11:10] <NET||abuse> diconnecting over and over, nothing
[11:11] <NET||abuse> damn, 6 times a charm
[11:11] <NET||abuse> i'm back without rebooting. hah,, what a pain in the ass
[11:13] <NET||abuse> thanks for the input.. wonder why it's so unreliable.
[11:17] <jacobw> It sounds like a network-manager problem
[11:21] <Myrtti> I swear to Gaia I'll buy that password notebook
[11:22]  * Myrtti stabs Keepass2 a little bit
[11:59] <ThomasM_> Hello everybody, i have strange problem by creating symlinks via udev rules on Ubuntu 12.10.
[12:00] <ThomasM_> This rules is working fine to create a symlink from a ttyACM device
[12:00] <ThomasM_> KERNEL=="ttyACM[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="1ffb", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0089", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyServo"
[12:00] <ThomasM_> Now iw want to do the same for a ttyUSB device like an FTDI USB to TTL Converter
[12:01] <ThomasM_> KERNEL=="ttyUSB[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="tty", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw"
[12:01] <ThomasM_> but this rule doesn't work
[12:02] <ThomasM_> Then I tried a simpler rule like this:
[12:02] <ThomasM_> ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", MODE="0666", OWNER="thomas", SYMLINK+="ttyRoboClaw"
[12:04] <ThomasM_> but the created symlink links to  "ttyRoboClaw -> bus/usb/001/012" the bus instead of the original device path "ttyUSB0"
[12:05] <ThomasM_> I tried several rules but sometimes the rule isn't created and sometimes it i created but points to the bus
[12:05] <ThomasM_> for the ttyACM devices everyting works fine
[12:06] <ThomasM_> also rules work for video devices linke this:
[12:06] <ThomasM_> KERNEL=="video[0-9]*", SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", ATTRS{idVendor}=="5986", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0361", SYMLINK+="video-cam0"
[12:06] <ThomasM_> but like i told you not for the ttyUSB device, its very stange for me at this point...#
[12:07] <ThomasM_> maybe someone of you have a solution for me
[12:07] <ThomasM_> Thank you
[12:19] <ThomasM_> second client I am still here :)
[13:36] <ali1234> how do i display the build dependencies of a package if they are already installed?
[14:04] <directhex> ali1234, apt-cache build-dep packagename?
[14:09] <ali1234> E: Invalid operation build-dep
[14:17] <directhex> apt-cache not apt-get
[14:18] <AlanBell> that isn't an apt-cache command
[14:18] <ali1234> yes, that is what i typed. it does not work
[14:18] <AlanBell> apt-get -s build-dep gedit
[14:19] <AlanBell> perhaps
[14:19] <AlanBell> but that probably doesn't help if you have them installed
[14:19] <ali1234> yeah that only shows the ones that are not currently installed
[14:19] <ali1234> what i did was apt-get source and then look at debian/control
[14:21] <directhex> oh, hang on
[14:21] <directhex> it's showsrc
[14:22] <directhex> doesn't list version requirements though
[14:22] <directhex> and the formatting is generally hard to machine-parse
[14:22] <ali1234> that's ok, i don't want to parse it and i don't want really care about ersions as i know the ones in the repos work
[14:23] <ali1234> i'm on a system with no -src repos configured and i want to build a package. so i can't apt-get build-dep... so i need to install dependencies manually
[15:05] <dwatkins> hey peeps, has anyone installed 12.10 on a uefi motherboard recently? We're getting a grub prompt, so I assume we need to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1599293
[15:05] <dwatkins> any suggestions welcome, though
[15:09] <dwatkins> !uefi
[15:09] <jacobw> I have installed on UEFI motherboard, and there no difference to an non UEFI motherboard
[15:10] <dwatkins> hmm, i wonder why we're getting the grub prompt, then
[15:10] <magpie> what's the problem dwatkins?
[15:11] <dwatkins> we get a grub prompt booting from usb to install 12.10 amd64
[15:13] <jpds> dwatkins: Hit tab.
[15:13] <dwatkins> we get a list of commands, jpds
[15:13] <dwatkins> 'boot' fails
[15:13] <jpds> dwatkins: live?
[15:14] <dwatkins> trying the procedure in my link above fails at the point of loading the loopback module, saying we should disable secure boot
[15:14] <dwatkins> so i guess we should do that ;)
[15:14] <magpie> when did it start happening?
[15:15] <dwatkins> yes, trying to install from unetbootin-created usb device from the 12.10 64-bit iso
[15:15] <dwatkins> just trying to find the secure boot settings
[15:19] <magpie> did you format it to fat32 and set bios to boot from usb yeah?
[15:20] <magpie> @ dwatkins
[15:22] <directhex> unetbootin doesn't support uefi
[15:22] <dwatkins> yay we have a kernel :D
[15:22] <directhex> it has not created a uefi-capable install medium
[15:22] <dwatkins> followed the instructions in my link, we now have a gui
[15:28] <magpie> dwatkins did your format to fat32?
[15:28] <magpie> you
[15:45] <dwatkins> magpie: yes, the usb is vfat
[15:45] <dwatkins> only problem now is that grub hasn't recognised that windows 7 is on the first hard disk, so we can boot windows 7 manually from the uefi, but when powering the machine on it goes straight into Ubuntu with no grub menu
[15:46] <dwatkins> I suspect this may be because we didn't select the option to mount the partition on which windows 7 is installed during partitioning, not sure though.
[15:46] <magpie> oh
[15:47] <dwatkins> i.e. ubuntu installed ok, windows 7 still boots manually, but grub never shows the menu
[15:47] <magpie> dwatkins i think you may have forgot to change ur bios setting back?
[15:49] <dwatkins> aha which setting do we need to change back, magpie? the secure boot one?
[15:51] <dwatkins> looks like there are three boot records to choose from, two of which identify themselves as 'ubuntu', so presumably one is grub, the other is the newly installed OS
[15:51] <magpie> ii'm not 100% certain because I haven;t had dual boot for a long time but I believe you would need to change it from the usb back to your hard disk
[15:51] <kvarley> Is there an editor that will let me print my code with syntax highlighting and indentation?
[15:51] <magpie> then after that it should come up with the promt you need
[15:51] <dwatkins> we removed the usb stick to avoid possible confusion
[15:51] <dwatkins> kvarley: vi with syntax on?
[15:52] <magpie> grub is the ubuntu boot
[15:52]  * kvarley hates vi
[15:52] <magpie> loadeer
[15:52] <magpie> yeah remove the usb
[15:52] <kvarley> dwatkins: Any GUI apps?
[15:52] <magpie> reboot and press f12 (usually)
[15:52] <dwatkins> magpie: aha, it's now showing grub's menu, although it didn't detect windows 7
[15:52] <magpie> then it will have a list of drives u can boot from as your primary boot
[15:53] <magpie> grub won't detect it
[15:53] <magpie> grub is the ubuntu bootloader
[15:53] <dwatkins> I mean when the menu.lst was created during install
[15:53] <magpie> iit should be asking u whether u want to boot into grub or whatever windows bootloader is
[15:54] <magpie> have u booted into the bios yet?
[15:54] <magpie> u need to go to the bios to check ur primary boot disk
[15:56] <magpie> there is a much easier way to do this though with this http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/windows-installer
[15:56] <dwatkins> no, grub doesn't have windows in the boot manu
[15:56] <dwatkins> *menu
[15:56] <magpie> grub is not the same thing as the bios
[15:57] <dwatkins> indeed
[15:58] <magpie> assuming u partitioned ur hard drive and grub is on one partition with windows on the other yes?
[15:58] <dwatkins> pretty much - two physical disks, windows 7 on the first
[15:59] <magpie> oh
[15:59] <magpie> well i think the problem is simpler then
[15:59] <magpie> you have two seperate hard drives each with an install on them?
[15:59] <dwatkins> yeah
[16:00] <magpie> ur bios is booting into one because you have set it to primary (or that is the default)
[16:01] <magpie> I am not sure how you can set neither as default but I imagine there is a way. What make is ur motherboard, do you know?
[16:02] <dwatkins> I imagine we probably need to re-run grub-update and get it to detect Windows 7 so it can add it to the menu.lst
[16:03] <dwatkins> or update-grub
[16:03] <magpie> i would check the bios settings first
[16:04] <magpie> it's probably ur primary hard disk set to the hard disk with the ubuntu install on it
[16:06] <dwatkins> yeah, we had to change the order to get the grub menu
[16:11] <dwatkins> I'm guessing we need to install grub to /dev/sda and hope it automatically detects Windows 7
[16:12]  * directhex waits for melted computer
[16:12] <magpie> was it not detecting windows when the windows bootloader was default you mean dwatkins?
[16:13] <directhex> installing grub to a partition header is a BIOS/MBR thing.
[16:13] <directhex> it explicitly does not do anyting, and may make your system unbootable, if you're on UEFI-only boot.
[16:13] <directhex> and the model with UEFI is *not* to boot windows from grub. that's not how it works
[16:14] <directhex> the model is to hit the "select boot device" button, typically F12, and pick "Windows Boot Manager" rather than "ubuntu" from the list
[16:14] <magpie> echo directhex
[16:16] <directhex> you can change which EFI application is the default with efibootmgr
[16:19] <directhex> if the system is booting grub before giving you the chance to hit the "select boot device" menu, then you have UEFI Fast Boot enabled (which skips a lot of initialization and jumps straight to the default application)
[16:24]  * directhex wonders if dwatkins has read any of the above, or if he's facing the charred remains of his computer
[16:27] <dwatkins> directhex: heh, just been looking in to what's in /boot/efi/efi
[16:28] <directhex> presumably a bootx64.efi (windows boot manager)
[16:28] <debasheez> hello
[16:29] <dwatkins> thanks directhex, this starts to make sense now
[16:29] <dwatkins> there's no 'press F12' option that I'm aware of on this motherboard, but perhaps it's obfuscated
[16:29] <debasheez> how can i make a usb bootable windows xp in ubuntu?
[16:30] <debasheez> will unet botin do?
[16:30] <directhex> dwatkins, maybe f2. there's definitely a key.
[16:30] <jacobw> debasheez: I don't think so
[16:30] <directhex> debasheez, i don't think so. i'm sure i've done it somehow, but it might have been with the MS utility in wine
[16:31] <debasheez> so how do i do that
[16:31] <directhex> but xp is, like, 12 years old. it's not designed for fancy things
[16:31] <dwatkins> debasheez: no, unetbootin doesn't support XP, there are tools from Microsoft which will allow you to create a bootable USB device with XP, if I remember correctly.
[16:31] <dwatkins> maybe just Windows 7/Vista, I've not used it
[16:31] <debasheez> how can i create it then/
[16:32] <debasheez> my xp is too banged yp
[16:32] <debasheez> it does not even connect to internet....half the things dont work
[16:32] <dwatkins> debasheez: google ' usb boot  boot windows '?
[16:32] <dwatkins> oops, two 'boot' but you get the idea
[16:33] <debasheez> yeah i got it
[16:33] <dwatkins> ah ok, no idea how you'd do this without internet access, I don't think it can be done from within Ubuntu.
[16:33] <dwatkins> you could just use Ubuntu...
[16:33] <jacobw> You can do it from Powershell or cmd.exe, and there's Windows applications that can automate the process.
[16:34] <debasheez> which one
[16:34] <jacobw> I don't think you can do it without Windows utilities/helpers.
[16:34] <debasheez> yeah
[16:34] <jacobw> WinToFlash
[16:34] <debasheez> will wine do the trick?
[16:36] <jacobw> I don't know
[16:36] <debasheez> hmm lemme try
[16:36] <debasheez> the primary bootloader is grub
[16:37] <debasheez> then i get an option to choose windows or ubuntu
[16:37] <dwatkins> What's actually the problem with XP, debasheez? Virus? Malware? BSOD?
[16:38] <debasheez> i guess its either a virus or a malware
[16:38] <dwatkins> there are antivirus bootable images from the likes of AVG, I believe, possibly Symantex too
[16:39] <dwatkins> Symantec, even.
[16:39] <debasheez> i dont think the anti virus will help much
[16:39] <debasheez> the right click does not work even
[16:39] <dwatkins> What are they symptoms, debasheez?
[16:39] <dwatkins> *the
[16:40] <debasheez> well right click does not work
[16:40] <debasheez> network properties does not open
[16:40] <dwatkins> that could just be a hardware problem
[16:41] <directhex> sounds like the install is just bonged
[16:41] <directhex> it happens
[16:41] <directhex> windows degrades
[16:41] <debasheez> and i let my pc be used my noobs
[16:41] <debasheez> plugged in their infected usb
[16:42] <debasheez> and slowly the windows is unusable
[16:43] <debasheez> let me reboot and try installing it via win 2 flash
[16:43] <debasheez> wine does not seem to work here
[16:45] <jacobw> n00bs, indeed.
[16:45] <brobostigon> new Dr Who bbc1 6pm,
[16:46] <Myrtti> sounds like a good time to go grocery shopping then
[16:47] <brobostigon> ah.
[16:47] <Myrtti> iPlayer ftw!
[16:47] <brobostigon> :)
[16:48] <jacobw> Whoop whoop
[16:49] <magpie> can I make a suggestion?
[16:49] <brobostigon> no spoilers?
[16:49] <magpie> don't worry about windows you don't really need it :)
[16:57] <dwatkins> looks like my friend is happy to just manually select the disk from the bios/efi
[16:58] <directhex> the application, not the disk :D
[16:59] <directhex> booting "a disk" or "a partition" is a MBR thing
[17:01] <dwatkins> ah i see, thanks - i have a lot to learn/update
[17:01] <dwatkins> bbl, catching the bus
[17:06]  * popey fixes bug 1168160
[17:07] <brobostigon> lol
[17:14] <directhex> dwatkins, basically, with BIOS, when booting the computer, there's 448 bytes (iirc) of 16-bit 8086 code near the start of the disk drive, which is executed on your 16-bit 8086. this code may contain just enough code to load more code from somewhere else on disk, or a redirect to another 448 bytes of 16 bit 8086 machine code on the header of a partition (rather than the header of an entire drive)
[17:21] <AlanBell> W: Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring-security/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  Cannot initiate the connection to fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5:8000 (fe80::211:3bff:fe17:c2d5). - connect (22: Invalid argument)
[17:22] <AlanBell> why is it doing ipv6?
[17:23] <AlanBell> apt-get update isn't working because it wants to do v6 connections it seems, I can ping stuff and it pings the normal IP address just fine
[17:24] <shauno> I don't believe security.ubuntu.com has an ipv6 address.  and it's certainly not fe80::, that's link local (eg, it's you, or the other end of the wire, and nothing else)
[17:24] <AlanBell> oh
[17:25] <shauno> oh, they do hvae ipv6 now .. that's news to me.  but the link-local bit stands
[17:26] <AlanBell> ah, might be squid-deb-proxy getting upset about something
[17:27] <AlanBell> yup, it was
[17:29] <AlanBell> how do I tell apport to just let things crash and not be annoying?
[17:30] <AlanBell> ah, /etc/default/apport
[17:31]  * dwatkins clicks 'restart current programme' on iplayer
[17:32] <dwatkins> directhex: ah yes, the two stages of grub, I assume
[17:33] <jacobw> AlanBell: Yep
[19:06] <bigcalm_laptop> Good evening peeps
[19:06] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: mcping
[19:12] <mungbean> evening
[19:13] <mungbean> how was doctor whop compared to last week?
[19:13] <brobostigon> mungbean: miles better.
[19:13] <mungbean> last week getting 2/10
[19:14] <AlanBell> the singing one was dreadful
[19:14] <mungbean> yeah shockingly bad
[19:15] <mungbean> i didnt watch a whole series once when that tate cvame along
[19:16] <AlanBell> I like Clara
[19:16] <brobostigon> billie piper has my preference.
[19:17] <mungbean> really?
[19:17] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:17] <mungbean> that was when the writing got stupid
[19:17] <mJayk> Afternoon all
[19:17] <mungbean> love/messiah/cap jack
[19:17] <directhex> pfft
[19:17] <directhex> the best companion was Jamie McCrimmon.
[19:17] <mungbean> the bimbo boy
[19:18] <AlanBell> River Song was also very good, much better than Amy
[19:18] <mungbean> i just tried to open an easter egg and failed
[19:18] <directhex> Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart?
[19:19] <AlanBell> I remember him from the books, never watched those ones
[19:19] <AlanBell> that was the doctor that had the intertial damping car
[19:19] <AlanBell> bessie I think
[19:19] <mungbean> i joined love film purely for dr who reasons
[19:20] <mungbean> theres a cool cybermen one wher they lost 2 episodes and animated them
[19:20] <mungbean> but really well
[19:20] <directhex> they basically burned most of the second doctor
[19:20] <directhex> to save storage space
[19:22] <mungbean> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invasion_(Doctor_Who)
[19:23] <mJayk> mungbean: Can you get love film on Android ?
[19:24] <mungbean> this was 7 yrs ago and exhausted their suiuply of dr who dvd in the post
[19:24] <mungbean> then i cancelled after no more left to watch that i hadnt seen
[19:24] <mJayk> ah okdokay
[19:53] <lorna> Anyone around tonight?
[19:53] <bigcalm_laptop> Not really
[19:54] <bigcalm_laptop> Evening anyway :)
[19:54] <lorna> Evening. How are you?
[19:54] <bigcalm_laptop> Wishing for longer weekends. You?
[19:55] <lorna> Looking forward to a fairly settled Sunday.
[19:55] <lorna> Have you any plans for the rest of the weekend?
[19:58] <lorna> Evening
[19:58] <Lil-|^Red> OT | FYI Linode admin P/words need updating BTW. :::: || http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/12/security-notice-linode-manager-password-reset/ ||
[19:58] <Lil-|^Red> leaves.
[20:30] <mungbean> yes, this dr who is an improvement on last week
[20:31] <mungbean> how was the lanuage transation working, tardis was not in vicinity?
[20:33] <ali1234> same way it works on star trek even when they are not on the ship
[20:33] <mungbean> usually they say, ooh tardis is nearby, the language matrix works
[20:34] <brobostigon> ali1234: those are built after TOS into the communicators. in TOS they used to be seperate devices.
[20:35]  * AlanBell thought it was the bable fish
[20:36]  * brobostigon walks around moping like marvin.
[20:37] <brobostigon> ali1234: i do believe it is babel fish.
[20:37] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i do believe it is babel fish.
[20:37] <brobostigon> sorry ali1234
[20:39] <mungbean> also why do daleks have a strong accent but the russians have english accent
[20:39] <brobostigon> lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speal
[20:40] <brobostigon> lol, same problem, why dont the daleks speak dals spoke?
[20:40] <brobostigon> the same language,
[20:41] <brobostigon> same reasoning, why doesnt davros neither.?
[20:42] <brobostigon> although i think davros was a kaled.
[20:49] <dwatkins> things weren't being translated last week
[20:49] <dwatkins> well, some things - the barking
[20:57] <mungbean> and allons-y
[20:58] <mungbean> maybee dr whitelists some words
[20:59] <mungbean> or maybe theres millions of holes in the plot every week
[21:00] <mungbean> but they get cute assistants to dazzle the people who might notice
[21:00] <dwatkins> I don't mind little translation issues, perhaps the barking was an exception somehow, or the Tardis had never encountered it before. Plot holes are annoying, though.
[21:01] <mungbean> i cant help thinking that the best way to get measles is to stand in a queue with other unvaccinated kids
[21:01] <dwatkins> Hence chicken pox parties.
[21:02] <mungbean> needed a wee since 8pm, but sleeping baby might wake as shes on my lap..#dadproblems
[21:02] <dwatkins> aww
[21:03] <mungbean> all i can do is surf and watch tv
[21:03] <dwatkins> I thought kids slept through anything.
[21:03] <dwatkins> There's a massive continuity failure in the film The Punisher - he gets shot, but then later on his t-shirt is fine.
[21:03] <mungbean> only when the bottle aint finished
[21:03] <dwatkins> Perhaps he has a wardrobe full of them.
[21:04] <mungbean> in a recent dr who episode, they drove out of the tardis on a motorbike/harley
[21:04] <dwatkins> yeah, that was cool
[21:04] <mungbean> then as they drove away the door was shut
[21:04] <mungbean> but noboydy closed it
[21:04] <dwatkins> I noticed that, he's closed the door by clicking his fingers in the past, though.
[21:04] <dwatkins> He should have done that then.
[21:04] <mungbean> they stayed on the doc the whole time
[21:04] <dwatkins> indeed
[21:04] <mungbean> yeah
[21:05] <dwatkins> Just a bit of a continuity failure.
[21:05] <mungbean> yeah spoils it for me
[21:05] <mungbean> and for the missis cos then i;m moaning
[21:05] <dwatkins> I tend to make up some reason it happened as above, and move on.
[21:05] <mungbean> lol
[21:05] <mungbean> the main reason is cos its a kids programme
[21:06] <dwatkins> this is also true, yes
[21:06] <mungbean> everyone knows the sonic screwdriver fixes it every week
[21:06] <dwatkins> Yeah, and he can magically read all sorts of information off it and control it without it needing a keyboard.
[21:07] <mungbean> they do have a habit of finding the most attractive girls on telly
[21:07] <dwatkins> I have two sonic screwdrivers, I used one to put a wardrobe together, but they don't tell me how far above or below sea level I am, sa.
[21:07] <dwatkins> *sadly
[21:07] <mungbean> next it will be the countdown girly
[21:07] <dwatkins> haha, Carol would be great as a companion.
[21:08] <mungbean> my one is always out of charge when i need it most
[21:08] <mungbean> no, rachel is the CG now
[21:08] <dwatkins> oh righyt
[21:08] <mungbean> that wouls be funny though CV as dr who girl
[21:09] <dwatkins> :D
[21:12] <bigcalm> Yay, irssi proxy via firewall. Hope it stays safe
[21:12] <bigcalm> Anybody here use nut for UPS monitoring?
[21:14] <Lil-|^Red> OT | Could S -Ubuntu be called "Socotra" Release ?   ::: |   http://www.thecircumference.org/socotra-island      ::  Note:  Ignore if misguided. |
[21:14] <Lil-|^Red> leaves.
[21:14] <Laney> O_O
[21:14] <Myrtti> so random.
[21:14] <dwatkins> Ubuntu Scotland
[21:16] <mungbean> nahm they'll be wanting independence before long
[21:17] <mungbean> so excited at my new airbrush delivery, have zero time to use it :(
[21:22] <StevenR> bigcalm: I used apcupsd. Was dead simple. Even wrote a script to put it into nagios :)
[21:23] <bigcalm> StevenR: I've used apcupsd with APC upses. My current UPS is by Belkin, hence needing another solution. Nut seems to support it but I'm having trouble
[21:27]  * popey boggles
[21:29] <StevenR> ah
[21:29]  * bigcalm googles
[21:29]  * Laney gobbles
[21:31] <bigcalm> This is confusing
[21:33]  * dwatkins goggles
[21:33]  * mungbean wobbles
[21:33]  * dwatkins dabbles
[21:37] <bigcalm> So, any UPS monitor systems that work with Belkin UPSes?
[21:38] <popey> what do you use a ups for?
[21:38] <popey> desktop?
[21:39] <bigcalm> Microserver, cable modem, router, desktop
[21:39] <popey> you get a lot of power cuts?
[21:39] <bigcalm> popey: no, but it only takes one to really tick you off
[21:40] <bigcalm> Using the grill has the chance of throwing the power. So I have to shut everything down just in case
[21:41]  * popey reboots into 12.04
[21:42] <mungbean> i used belkin UPS as door stops before
[21:43] <mungbean> they didn't work as UPS
[21:46] <dwatkins> I'm overdue a power cut.
[21:46] <dwatkins> I live in a block of flats that was built in the 1890s, I'm amazed I can get fast internets at-all, let alone consistent power.
[21:54] <mungbean> i just watched a video of a walrus doing situps
[21:54] <mungbean> time to finish my internet for the day
[22:01] <bigcalm> Rebooting helped
[22:09] <dwatkins> My home server has a built-in UPS - it's a netbook ;)
[22:09] <popey> gnnnn
[22:09] <popey> bug 1167019
[22:09] <popey> _so_ annoying
[22:11]  * Lil-|^Red draws his pillow at : penguin42 ,& the angry mob . [OT] http://youtu.be/cOIXmhBh1rY?t=2s
[22:11] <Lil-|^Red> boom \o/
[22:12] <popey> that's getting as annoying
[22:12] <shauno> who broke him?
[22:13] <mungbean> popey: had a similar bug on centrino 6230 with certain APs
[22:13] <mungbean> ended up with a workaroud that disabling wifi power saving via powertop fixed it \o.
[22:13] <popey> hmm
[22:13]  * popey tries that
[22:13] <mungbean> although it was only manifested on certain APs
[22:14] <popey> this never used to be an issue
[22:14] <mungbean> our work wifi is all aruba controllers. when they upgraded their firmware i \o/
[22:14] <popey> got worse with 13.04 kernels
[22:14] <mungbean> i'm suffering a gpu lockup issue that loads of people getting
[22:14] <popey> wireless power saving is already off it seems
[22:14] <mungbean> bug 1140716
[22:15] <mungbean> gone from system lockup->hard reboot required, to 10 sec GPU hang, and then recover working
[22:15] <mungbean> after installed 3.5 kernel
[22:19] <penguin42> very few people seem to really understand that stuff
[22:22] <mungbean> cute feature in chrome. start typing ebay.co.uk in the url bar, then press tab while doing it
[22:22] <mungbean> e.g type eb-tab-kindle
[22:29] <popey>    mungbean i think you're right
[22:29] <popey> i might try 12.04 with the older kernel
[22:30] <popey> looks like 12.04 shipped with 3.2..
[22:32]  * popey looks for a 12.04 iso
[22:33] <popey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/release/ wins
[22:33] <popey> maybe not
[22:33] <popey> 12.04.2 there
[22:33] <penguin42> popey: It's surprisingly hard to find iso's on ubuntu.com these days
[22:34] <popey> even  http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ has 12.04.1
[22:34] <Laney> old-releases.ubuntu.com
[22:34] <popey> oh, no it doesnt
[22:34] <popey> it lies
[22:35] <popey> it says .1 at the top
[22:35]  * popey wgets http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-amd64.iso while network is working
[22:36] <penguin42> I would appreciate it if you could get someone to fix it
[22:37] <popey> well, anyone could do what I'm doing
[22:37] <popey> trying to find out at what kernel version it broke
[22:38] <penguin42> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/ might help
[22:38] <penguin42> popey: Yeh, but finding the isos is way too hard these days
[22:38] <popey> yeah, been doing that
[22:40] <dwatkins> ooh, I can boot my Mac from USB, that wasn't possible with Ubuntu before afaik.
[22:41] <dwatkins> It got very warm whilst I was typing in insmod commands to the grub prompt.
[22:41] <popey> trying to just find an old iso which actually works before updating
[22:41]  * popey dd's an iso to usb
[22:42] <dwatkins> don't forget the bs
[22:43] <popey> why?
[22:45] <shauno> I'm pretty sure the bs option is only there to annoy bsd users :/
[22:46] <penguin42> popey: Without bb you end up doing 512byte read/writes and it's slow as heck
[22:46] <penguin42> popey: Use bs=1M and it speeds up nicely
[22:47] <popey> 732213248 bytes (732 MB) copied, 267.068 s, 2.7 MB/s
[22:47]  * popey reboots into retrobuntu
[22:48] <shauno> annoying trivia .. gnu's dd takes bs=1M, and complains 1m isn't a number.  bsd's dd takes bs=1m, and complains 1M isn't a number.
[22:48] <penguin42> oh that's annoying
[22:49] <penguin42> shauno: Submit patches for both?
[22:49] <shauno> thanks to some variation of murphy's law, I'm positive I get the wrong case more often than I don't
[22:50] <penguin42> well yeh, if you have a pair of confusing things like that you're bound to
[22:50]  * popey uses Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-23-generic for a bit
[22:51] <Seeker`> penguin42: patches to both to swap them round?
[22:52] <popey> hah
[22:52] <penguin42> Seeker`: Haha no!
[22:52] <penguin42> Seeker`: To let you use either m or M on either; of course they'll each object that the other is wrong
[22:52] <Seeker`> just to really confuse the people that have currnetly managed to remember which way round it is :P
[22:53]  * Seeker` ponders getting up / staying up to watch the F1 at 6am
[22:53] <penguin42> 6am doesn't happen on Sundays
[22:54] <Seeker`> heh
[22:54] <Seeker`> it might do for F1
[22:54] <Seeker`> followed by a looooooong nap
[22:54]  * popey installs from one usb stick to another
[22:54]  * popey installs using btrfs for the crack
[22:55] <popey> ubiquity crashed
[22:55] <penguin42> 12.04 you're using? (not .1 or .2 ?)
[22:55]  * dwatkins credits popey
[22:56] <penguin42> I think you're supposed to be able to put the old harrdware layer on the newer 12.04
[22:56] <popey> yes, 12.04
[22:57] <mungbean> when everyone's on btrfs maybe ubuntu can have better snapshotting / system point in time restores
[22:57] <penguin42> popey: Yeh ok, I doubt you'll get much excitement for anyone to fix it in plain 12.04
[22:57] <popey> thats not the goal
[22:58] <popey> the goal is to find when it broke
[22:58] <penguin42> nod
[22:58] <popey> i want to start from a working machine
[22:58] <mungbean> which is the way to find the bug
[22:58] <penguin42> popey: I'd just roll the kernel back (although they might also want the firmware rolling back?)
[22:58] <mungbean> aren't there old kernels kicking around on your grub list?
[22:59] <popey> penguin42: i know, thats not what i want to do
[22:59] <popey> i want to start from a working point
[23:00] <penguin42> ah, ok
[23:00] <popey> hmm, ubiquity crashed formatting ext4 too
[23:00] <popey> this is not good
[23:00] <popey> ubi-usersetup crashed
[23:00] <penguin42> popey: Try 12.04.1
[23:00] <popey> its still formatting and copying files
[23:01] <ali1234> if you want to find where it broke why are you not testing mainline kernels?
[23:01] <mungbean> popey is the 1 man wrecking ball
[23:01] <popey> "try again" worked
[23:01] <popey> ali1234: i will
[23:02] <popey> once I get a known good state
[23:02] <popey> which 12.04 seems to be so far
[23:02] <ali1234> bisecting across branches isn't fun
[23:03] <ali1234> you'll need to go back to the 3.2.x that the ubuntu kernel is based on and test that
[23:03] <popey> yup
[23:04] <popey> although getting significant packet loss with 3.2, but not enough to drop my ssh connection it seems
[23:04] <popey>  Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
[23:04] <popey>  1. <IP_ADDRESS>                      33.4%   887    7.6   8.4   4.0 131.1   9.7
[23:04] <mungbean> humour me by checking the wifi power saving again?
[23:05] <popey> i have an mtr running. and its showing packet loss going up, but this ssh session is surviving
[23:05] <popey> mungbean: can i check that without powertop?
[23:05] <mungbean> hmm
[23:06] <popey> i dont want to apt-get anything while ubiquity is installing
[23:06] <popey> (on a live cd)
[23:06] <ali1234> you can poke around in /sys
[23:06] <ali1234> if you can figure out what the numbers and letters mean
[23:06] <popey> heh
[23:06] <mungbean> maybe iwconfig
[23:06] <mungbean> iw wlan0 set power_save on
[23:06] <popey> i dont want to set, i want to query surely?
[23:07] <popey>           Power Management:off
[23:07] <popey> that?
[23:07] <popey> (from iwconfig)
[23:07] <mungbean> off for me, let me check powertop agrees
[23:08] <popey> I'll reboot to 13.04 in a bit when this install finishes to see what the setting is there
[23:08] <mungbean> powertop says "BAD" so seems to agree PS is off
[23:08] <popey> thats what it said for me earlier
[23:11] <popey> oh dear. ubiquity shows tweets with & instead of &
[23:12] <dwatkins> Thaat's just <silly&gr;
[23:12] <penguin42> why does ubiquity show tweets at all?
[23:12] <popey> because its the last slide
[23:12] <popey> nothing else to look at, lets promote ubuntu :D
[23:19] <SavageWolf> Hmm... People, what is your "impulsive first impression" of my username handle thing?
[23:20] <popey> Reminds me of an old sinclair spectrum game
[23:20] <popey> but the name escapes me
[23:20] <popey> guess my brain is mixing it up with SabreWulf
[23:20] <SavageWolf> I keep thinking it's too "violent" or something... o_O
[23:20] <popey> change it to SavagePony
[23:21] <SavageWolf> Also, the input field seems to have bad kerning...
[23:21] <mungbean> savagepond
[23:21] <mungbean> by bug byte if i recall
[23:22] <popey> also there was a gave made by Savage something.. might just have been Savage
[23:22] <popey> which had giant sprites
[23:22] <popey> very colourful
[23:22] <popey> (for a speccy)
[23:23] <popey> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0004353
[23:23] <popey> bingo
[23:23] <mungbean> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlORNVnhmko
[23:23] <SavageWolf> I never grew up with any of those games consoles computer things, annoyingly.
[23:25] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I worry that my username will give a bad "first impression" about me, and stuff like that. Especially to future potential employers and such like.
[23:25] <SavageWolf> Since I use this name for everything.
[23:25] <popey> is it your email address & IM too ?
[23:26] <popey> i.e. is it on your CV?
[23:26] <shauno> heh, nothing cracks me up like seeing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on a CV
[23:26] <popey> and do you care what a potential employer thinks? I mean, depends on what your job is really.
[23:26] <popey> if you were a game dev then not so much
[23:26] <SavageWolf> I have two email addresses, one of them is my real name which I use for "professional" things.
[23:26] <popey> as many as two!
[23:26] <popey> j/k
[23:27] <SavageWolf> And I intend to make games and whatnot.
[23:27] <SavageWolf> My personal website thing is essentially my username.
[23:28] <popey> \o/ install finished, reboot time
[23:28] <SavageWolf> Though I was thinking of making a portfolio site thing where I go "here is what I have made" which uses my real name.
[23:28] <mungbean> like github?
[23:28] <SavageWolf> I have a github, and my username there is "SavageWolf".
[23:29] <popey> \o/ back in 13.04
[23:29] <popey>           Power Management:off
[23:29] <popey> mungbean: ^
[23:29] <mungbean> was on by defaulr my centrino 6239
[23:29] <mungbean> 6230
[23:30] <popey> network droped a second after you said that
[23:30] <popey> drops for ~1 min
[23:31] <mungbean> oof
[23:31] <mungbean> dmesg says?
[23:31] <mungbean> turn off your microwave
[23:32] <SavageWolf> It would be so awesome if in syslog there was a line saying "Microwave detected, please turn off microwave before retrying.".
[23:32] <popey> got something in dmesg, not super useful
[23:32] <mJayk> You dont have a new neighbour do you ? using the same wireless channel
[23:34] <popey> it cant be that, i can boot to a different kernel and itsfine
[23:35] <mJayk> do the different kernels use different drivers @ all ?
[23:36] <popey> gah, this is pissing me off too much now. going to bed
[23:36] <popey> completely unusable, will test more tomorrow nn all
[23:42] <SavageWolf> I should stop being concerned with what others think of my username, I suppose.
[23:45] <shauno> introspection and 1am tends to end up in a bottle of whisky
[23:45] <SavageWolf> It's not introspection, it's paranoia.
[23:46] <SavageWolf> Anyway, I should go sleep, yes.
[23:51] <penguin42> Net Upgrade Size:       -155.98 MiB   hmm
[23:51] <penguin42> oops, wrong channel


[20:56] <costello> Any gnu gettext gurus in here? "info gettext" very politely documents call "dpgettext(..)" (a variant with context) but headers in /usr/include have no declaration and linker refuses to link -> is there working way to include context string into string lookups if using gettext version 0.19.4-1 ?
[23:25] <cjwatson> costello: They're only in gettext.h, not in <libintl.h>; as per 'info gettext lib/gettext.h', you're meant to copy that into your project.  If you're already using gnulib then it's in the "gettext-h" module there.


[00:24] <MiLLo> hey guys
[00:24] <MiLLo> probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide/
[00:24] <MiLLo> it's normally autohide, and now it's stopped - not sure why.  It's annoying because it's set above my windows
[00:33] <MiLLo> sorry to bump - does anyone have any ideas at all?
[00:45] <MiLLo> probably an obvious question - but how do I set my sidebar in natty to autohide when it's randomly stopped doing so
[01:22] <Azelphur> woa, my surf server spiked up in rank :o
[01:22] <Azelphur> I'm now the 11th most popular TF2 server in the world \o/
[01:22] <Azelphur> popey: ^ It's extra hilarious because it's the surf one, so on the gametracker ranking I'm surrounded by vanilla servers xD
[03:23] <ali1234> wow, the xilinx cpld development studio for linux is 4GB
[03:23] <ali1234> yes, 4GB
[03:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] IPv6 routers - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/137835.html
[03:34] <shauno> xlinix ise was absurdly large too.  and insisted on using some <expletive> download manager :/
[03:34] <ali1234> oh i think that's what i'm downloading
[03:35] <ali1234> now download manager though, just a tar file
[03:35] <ali1234> you'd think they cold gave gzipped it
[03:36] <shauno> it's a step in the right direction then
[03:36] <ali1234> i still had to register
[03:36] <ali1234> 123 fake street etc
[03:36] <shauno> yeah.  but when I got it, it came via a java applet :/
[03:37] <ali1234> i got some weird error message about akami download manager then it just gave me the download
[03:37] <shauno> apparently broken works better than working.  funky.
[07:40] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:00] <DJones> Morning
[08:08] <Apacheuk> morning
[08:18] <Gary> Good morning all you sexy people!
[08:19] <Gary> hey seeker
[08:19] <Gary> how are you doing?
[08:19] <seeker> :o it's a gary! Long time no see!
[08:20] <seeker> Not too bad, you?
[08:21] <Gary> pretty good, been hecticly busy with work and play, real life has kinda meant irc has been forced onto a back burner
[08:21] <Gary> I've kept in touch here, but not as much as I'd have liked
[08:22] <seeker> Still in Colchester?
[08:22] <Gary> yeah, still here, off to .de for a fortnight's holiday on Sat :-)
[08:23] <Gary> well really, france, belgium, germany, austria and back again
[08:23] <seeker> Alright for some :P
[08:23] <Gary> a few days visiting a german mate who is getting hitched, then visiting my brother in austria
[08:23] <seeker> Intrepid explorer gary then :P
[08:24] <Gary> the fun will be two guys in a mx5 for two weeks, that car doesn't have much space!
[08:25] <seeker> Haha
[08:26] <daubers> Morning
[08:26] <daubers> So step 1 of my experiment was an extreme failure last night
[08:26] <Gary> morning daubers, how are you doing?
[08:26] <Gary> what experiment?
[08:27] <Gary> cross dressing?
[08:27]  * Gary hides
[08:27] <daubers> Tried to reinstall windows, recovery partition borked, recovery DVD's I burnt no longer readable in the drive :(
[08:27] <daubers> Gary: Not half so exciting as cross dressing.....
[08:27]  * daubers is lucky he has an old HDD in his desk drawer with iso files of the recovery DVD's really
[08:28] <daubers> Gary: Not seen you in these parts in _ages_!
[08:34] <Gary> yeah, been a bit busy with real life
[08:35] <daubers> Good things or bad things?
[08:36] <DJones> Hi Gary
[08:36] <Gary> good overall I suppose.  hey DJones :-)
[08:36] <DJones> And you still can't have the dog :)
[08:38] <Gary> aww
[08:38] <daubers> Gary: You'll have to come to Oggcamp for cake!
[08:39] <Gary> I seem to have gained a family though
[08:40] <DJones> Family as in people getting married & joining the family, or family as in a baby/pet
[08:41] <Gary> family as in a friends father went a bit mad and I seem to have been promoted to subsitute dad for the kids!
[08:42] <Gary> it's all rather confusing and complicated I suppose
[08:42] <DJones> Right, thats good for you, but I guess the father has some problems
[08:43] <Gary> he does, alcohol, depression and biting the children are just a few of the issues he needs to fix
[08:43] <daubers> eek
[08:43] <Gary> yeah!
[08:44] <daubers> I can understand 2 leading to 1 and 1 leading to 2, but the third thing is just .... odd....
[08:44] <DJones> Doesn't sound good, but hopefully getting the treatment he needs and most importantly, his friends are standing by him & his family, thats probably the best help & support out of anything
[08:44] <Gary> best not get me too wound up about him, at least I seem to have been promoted to be his replacement, the kids, even after what he was like, are really sweet
[08:44] <daubers> \o/
[08:45] <daubers> (for the kids being sweet)
[08:45] <Gary> this had gone on for years, a number of attempts to get him fixed, all failed.  the mother is now divorcing him.
[08:45] <DJones> I'd also add \o/ for Gary stepping up
[08:46] <Gary> I'm taking the older kid to germany with me, he is 17 but often acts older than I am! be a good chance for him to act his age
[08:57] <Gary> I was round there for dinner last night and the five year old said I was "better than her real daddy" which made me have tears in my eyes
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> Gary: aww :)
[08:58] <DJones> How cute :)
[08:58] <Gary> anyways, is Daviey alive? I have a contact for him
[08:59] <seeker> Gary: Will you be acting his age too?
[08:59] <Gary> whose age?
[09:00] <Gary> ah, Adam's, why yes, yes I will
[09:01] <Gary> I am finding it fun, but difficult to play the sub father and be their "mate" the two other teenagers make me act (and feel) a lot younger than I am/should be acting
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> Gary: I hear that from lots of real dads as well -- that they feel younger somehow ;)
[09:06] <Gary> MartijnVdS: yeah, it's really making me enjoy life again, I know the whole situation started really badly, what with their real dad going a bit lala, but it has given me a new outlook on life and made me a lot more cheerful, I think mostly as I need to be there for the kids, so "have" to act strong/balanced/stable
[09:06] <Gary> my life was becoming rather boring, all work work work, what with the break up of me and my ex and living in my house alone.
[09:07] <Gary> the best bit is, if I do want a break, I can go home and have that break - something S cannot do (S is the mother)
[09:12] <danfish> morning
[09:12] <danfish> \o/ I have a zombie process - what's that when it's a home?
[09:12] <danfish> s/a/st
[09:12] <danfish> bah s/a/at
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: kill its parent, that'll reparent the zombie to init, which reaps it
[09:13] <danfish> do I need to feed it brains? ;)
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> danfish: Only tiny ones.
[09:13] <JGJones> A process that is killed but is waiting for the parent to exit before it goes away. It also want braaaaaains
[09:13] <danfish> MartijnVdS: my brain should do then :)
[09:14] <JGJones> It's a shame the zombies in Walking Dead didn't say brraaaaaaaiiins not even once ;-)
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: it doesn't wait for the parent to exit as such, it waits for the parent to acknowledge its kid's death (or explicity set the signal handler to ignore dieing kids)
[09:15] <JGJones> MartijnVdS, ah...better explaination than me anyway - not such a tiny brain after all then? :P
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: I've written some forking pieces of code lately
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> JGJones: that tends to make you too familiar with zombies and SIGCHLD en waitpid()
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> s/en/and
[09:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] From Linux to Windows for 30 days - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/
[09:42] <daubers> Urgh, can't concentrate today
[09:47] <gord> daubers, maybe its because your on windows?
[09:48] <daubers> gord: Can't do that for work. Writing SW that only runs on linux, so have to do that on linux
[09:48] <daubers> gord: Also... windows hasn't finished installing yet
[09:49] <livingdaylight> greetings comrades
[09:54] <oimon> can you still run openbox/fluxbox on MS windows
[10:24] <daubers> Urgh... update, reboot, update, reboot
[10:25] <dogmatic69> daubers: on ubuntu?
[10:27] <daubers> dogmatic69: No :(
[10:28] <dogmatic69> well, theres your problem
[10:28] <dutchie> daubers: the experiment not going well?
[10:29] <gord> i turn windows update off, i'd rather not have them if its going to be that annoying about it
[10:30] <BigRedS> You can turn off the force-reboots
[10:30] <BigRedS> but that does seem to make it feel a bit mistreated
[10:30] <gord> it still pops up a little thing all the time
[10:30] <dogmatic69> got a mac mini the other day, took 4 updates + reboots from 10.4 -> 10.5 or something like that
[10:30] <BigRedS> nah, that you can turn off too
[10:30] <BigRedS> it's a registry and/or group policy edit
[10:31] <dogmatic69> worse than windows
[10:31] <gord> BigRedS, id rather just press the option to turn them off all together
[10:31] <dogmatic69> one restart was due to updating safari... o.o
[10:31] <BigRedS> well, yeah, that's what mine does
[10:33] <BigRedS> It was hilarious when I started doing my windowsy admin job and I was trying to explain why arbitrarily-timed reboots during the day might be suboptimal...
[10:34] <daubers> gord: First install, so needs to be done :)
[10:34] <daubers> dutchie: After the fiasco with recovery DVD's.... no
[10:34] <BigRedS> Thing is, once you've expended the effort to get AD/GP right, and you've got an AD domain with which to do it, Windows can be quite manageable
[10:35] <daubers> dogmatic69: Apple do a combo update on their support site. You can do it with that in one jump
[10:35] <dogmatic69> daubers: or the could just do it properly like ubuntu :)
[10:36] <dogmatic69> 10:36:57 up 20 days
[10:36] <daubers> dogmatic69: Indeed! But at least there is a way to do so
[10:36] <dogmatic69> pet peeve, waiting for a pc to boot
[10:39] <gord> BigRedS, yes once your an expert in it and know all the things to turn off and spend months learning it, its manageable, awesome, i'm not doing all that :P using windows will continue to be a pain in the arse for me
[10:43] <BigRedS> gord: Oh yeah, I'm not saying it's *good*. I'm just sort-of aware of how companies manage to not give it up :)
[10:43] <BigRedS> That first year or so was great. I made *every* complaint I've ever seen levelled at Linux by new linux users, but about Windows
[10:45] <gord> my pet peeve with windows now its its control panel, there are so many options hidden and tucked away, you have to follow a specific order of clicks to unlock them, its like a horrid game
[10:46] <dogmatic69> gord: just click classic view
[10:46] <dogmatic69> shows all of em
[10:46] <daubers> dogmatic69: Getting to things is still a pain. Like getting to the networking interfaces to set static ips
[10:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <gord> dogmatic69, nope :( it shows some of them, there are options hidden inside them through a twisted loop of zork-esque logic
[10:47] <gord> it honestly took me about 5 months to figure out how to uninstall things in windows 7
[10:47] <BigRedS> oh man, I've done so little with windows 7 yet
[10:48] <BigRedS> I installed steam and that put me off it for about a week
[10:48] <BigRedS> since then I don't think I've used anything but steam in it
[10:48] <gord> yeah, i basically just want it to run steam ;) but it gets in the way, filters my games, pulls me out of games to say "hey, do you want to turn off effects?! oh were you playing a game? oh well, now the games in a window"
[10:53] <BigRedS> Oooh, I've had none of that
[10:54] <BigRedS> I did get some windows guy to put it together for me
[10:54] <BigRedS> maybe he fixed those things
[10:54] <BigRedS> I felt like such a technophobe, asking soemone else to install the OS on my PC...
[10:59] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <davmor2> morning MooDoo and czajkowski
[11:08] <davmor2> has anyone heard from mr pope?  is he okay I know his car isn't
[11:08] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, hi, I'm still looking at thinkpads on ebay. I'm learning as I go along, the variation in x60 and x61 and even the 's' derivatives. Do you have an opinion on which you like?
[11:08] <BigRedS> livingdaylight: not really. The Xs in general are pretty good but I never followed them closely enough to know which are better than the others
[11:08] <BigRedS> also, all I wanted was soemthign to run fluxbox and an ssh client
[11:08] <BigRedS> so I didn't really mind what was in them
[11:09] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, ok... thanks.
[11:10] <livingdaylight> BigRedS, there seems to be a trade off between performance and battery life and amount of heat they emit between the different versions which is what is getting my head in a spin.
[11:43] <Daviey> popey is still offline. :o
[11:45] <MartijnVdS> The world, it must be ending!
[11:49] <oimon> maybe he's trapped inside the matrix/minecraft
[11:52] <davmor2> Daviey: seemingly so
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the MINETRIX
[11:52] <davmor2> oimon: he had a crash this morning on the way to work
[11:52] <oimon> oh :(
[11:52] <oimon> is he ok
[11:53] <davmor2> oimon: on twitter he said so but then he isn't online yet to confirm
[11:53] <dwatkins> eek, hope he's alright
[11:54] <davmor2> I'm assuming he has had to stay with his car till it's moved etc etc etc
[11:58] <czajkowski> can anyone shed light on http://askubuntu.com/questions/47813/dual-screen-monitor-not-working-after-11-04-upgrade
[12:03] <BigRedS> czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there?
[12:04] <czajkowski> ebel: 12:02 < BigRedS> czajkowski: what's the definition of 'works' there?
[12:04] <czajkowski> ebel: meet BigRedS
[12:04] <ebel> yo
[12:04] <czajkowski> BigRedS: it's ebel issue
[12:04]  * ebel 's dual screen monitor doesn't work anymore with 11.04
[12:05] <BigRedS> what do you mean by 'work'? Do either show up in the monitors dialog thing?
[12:05] <ebel> 2 monitors plugged into 1 nvideo graphics card, using open source drivers. pre11.04 could have a split screen thing. now acts like only one monitor plugged in
[12:05] <BigRedS> what's the output of `xrandr`? (do   xrandr | pastebinit  ) probably
[12:05] <BigRedS> er
[12:05] <BigRedS> do
[12:05] <ebel> BigRedS: http://pastebin.com/51ZEuRDV
[12:06] <BigRedS> oooh, peculiar. I think I've just turned useless :(
[12:06] <ebel> Now only one monitor shows up on monitor preferences. this is using unity and the default gnome 'shell' (classic mode)
[12:06] <BigRedS> it's like it's only found one output for some reason
[12:06] <BigRedS> I'd suggest the problem's lower than the window manager - kernely or drivery
[12:07] <ebel> I have rebooted several times. and both monitors have power and i've reseated the cable to video card to the one that's not showing up
[12:07] <BigRedS> but, yeah, I know so little about X; if xrandr doesn't mention it I don't know to make it find it
[12:07] <ebel> yeah i figure it's a driver issue. shame it stopped working. :(
[12:08] <BigRedS> yeah, have you checked launchpad for similar bugs?
[12:08] <BigRedS> perhaps there's a workaround on there
[12:10] <ebel> i /submitted/ a bug.... ;)
[12:10] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[12:10] <BigRedS> :)
[12:11] <ebel> hmmm actually maybe I am using closed source drivers....
[12:11] <ebel> [   23.374713] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[12:12] <jonsaint> hi all. anyone help please?? just uninstalled crappy vista and installed 11.04 but the problem i got is that my screen is massive! i cant seem to get it smaller. tried the monitor settings but it keeps coming up with 'unknown'. help!!!
[12:12] <czajkowski> ebel: if you ask in ubuntu-bugs they help triage bugs there
[12:12]  * ebel wonders how to make sure I'm using FLOSS drivers...
[12:12] <Daviey> turn your computer off. :)
[12:13] <ebel> Daviey: I've rebooted a few times. :P
[12:13] <Daviey> ebel: i mean, if your computer is off - there is only a small chance you are using non-free drivers
[12:14] <Daviey> ebel: the tool vrms gives a reasonable guide of what non-free stuff you have installed
[12:14] <ebel> hehe figlet is non-free
[12:14] <jonsaint> anyone about to help?
[12:15] <BigRedS> can you paste the output of xrandr?   do    xrandr | pastebinit
[12:15] <BigRedS> I might be useless for you, too, but it's worht a try :)
[12:17] <jonsaint> :(
[12:17] <BigRedS> well, paste the output adn we'll see if I can be handy :)
[12:18] <jonsaint> anyone about to help?
[12:18] <BigRedS> er
[12:19] <ebel> huzzah fixed
[12:19] <ebel> turns out I was using non-floss drivers
[12:19] <BigRedS> ah, that's always a bad idea :)
[12:19] <ebel> apt-get removing them and restarting and I now have 2 monitors
[12:20] <czajkowski> ebel: w00t
[12:20] <czajkowski> :D
[12:20] <czajkowski> ebel: go update ask ubuntu :)
[12:20] <jonsaint> need monitor help.
[12:21] <ebel> though it shows a bug in the closed source nvidia drivers :P
[12:21] <BigRedS> yeah, there's always bugs in teh closed source drivers :)
[12:22] <BigRedS> jonsaint: if you fancy posting the output of xrandr I'll see if I can help. Can't really do much without more info, though
[12:23] <jonsaint> anyone in here that can lend a hand?
[12:24] <brobostigon> jonsaint: what with?
[12:25] <jonsaint> ive uninstalled crappy vista and done a fresh install of 11.04 but problem i got now is the screen is bloody masive! gone into monitor settings in prefs but i cant get it smaller. it keeps saying 'unknown monitor' yet its worked ok before on ubuntu
[12:28] <jonsaint> any ideas??
[12:29] <brobostigon> jonsaint: so, you mean the resolution, is wrong?
[12:29] <jonsaint> yes. way too big. when i go to change the settings its only got the setting thats on it now
[12:30] <Myrtti> install grandr
[12:30] <Myrtti> use that
[12:31] <brobostigon> !info grandr
[12:31] <Myrtti> wfm better that way
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[12:31] <BigRedS> Ah, handy
[12:31] <brobostigon> !info xrandr
[12:31] <BigRedS> it's a bit of X I thought?
[12:31] <oimon> g
[12:32] <Myrtti> xrandr is commandline and a bit unintuitive
[12:32] <jonsaint> huh????
[12:32] <brobostigon> Myrtti: so that is a semi-automated way, of specifying things in xorg.conf etc?
[12:33] <Myrtti> it doesnt touch or create xorg.conf
[12:33] <oimon> !x11-xserver-utils
[12:33] <oimon> !info x11-xserver-utils
[12:33] <brobostigon> Myrtti: what does it do?
[12:33] <BigRedS> configures X
[12:33] <BigRedS> it's what you're (now) supposed to use to configure your monitors rather than xorg.conf
[12:33] <Myrtti> it is a gui to probe what the hardware can do and configure it
[12:34] <brobostigon> Myrtti: ah, i see.
[12:34] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i simplymanuallyedited the files in # nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf
[12:34] <Myrtti> i hope he got helped
[12:35] <brobostigon>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/*
[12:35] <BigRedS> Oh, I didn't realise you could do that
[12:35] <BigRedS> xrandr's pretty quick and easy, though. And doesn't require restarting X (I suspect that way does?)
[12:36] <BigRedS> but you do then need to do something to make the config take on boot, probably editing those files
[12:36] <brobostigon> BigRedS: which is apparentlywhere some of the new config's are, insted of being in the traditional, xorg.conf place.
[12:36] <brobostigon> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg i have found useful.
[12:37] <BigRedS> ooh
[12:38] <BigRedS> handy
[12:38] <brobostigon> yes.
[12:41]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello kiddo
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: you're online everything okay
[12:42] <popey> hmm?
[12:42] <popey> haha
[12:42] <popey> my VPS oofed
[12:44] <brobostigon> :(
[12:45]  * oimon is trying out elementary os 0.2 onthe eee pc
[12:46] <davmor2> popey: Yeah let's repeat the question obviously still dazed, Are you okay?
[12:46] <popey> heh, fine
[12:47] <davmor2> popey: other than you're now poorly car
[12:47] <davmor2> what happened :)
[12:47] <oimon> reminds me of the scene in star wars ....luke you turned off your radar..everything OK
[12:48] <davmor2> oimon: man it was a targeting computer not radar, these star wars rookies
[12:49] <oimon> sorry, i didn't see star wars in the cinema ...only from empire strikes back onwards :)
[12:56] <popey> davmor2: driving down the road, other driver backed out of their drive. I braked, swerved and still managed to hit it.
[12:57] <dogmatic69> ditching ubuntu...
[12:57] <dogmatic69> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
[12:57] <davmor2> popey: Arse,  there fault though as you were on the road yay :)
[12:57] <daubers> popey: :( No-one hurt I hope?
[12:57] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I give you a day before you crawl back cap in hand
[12:58] <popey> no, everyone fine
[12:59] <popey> davmor2: yeah, thats the theory. in fact my insurance company has already given me a hire car paid for by her company
[13:00] <davmor2> popey: Yay!   so mobile again
[13:00] <popey> yeah
[13:00] <popey> they're taking the car to look at it
[13:00] <popey> i expect they will write it off
[13:00] <popey> so will need to rush around to get another car
[13:01] <daubers> Was that the volvo?
[13:02] <daubers> Also, does anyone remember who did the talk about Open Source in places like Africa at the last Oggcamp?
[13:03] <popey> no
[13:03] <daubers> A friend of the inlaws does a lot of work at an indian school who don't have mains leccy, and were offered some 'puters
[13:03] <popey> ahhh, i know someone who might be able to help you there daubers
[13:03] <daubers> \o/
[13:03] <popey> http://www.aleutia.com/
[13:03] <popey> them
[13:04] <popey> they came to the ubuntu release party
[13:04] <daubers> Cool :)
[13:04]  * daubers bookmarks
[13:05] <Daviey> popey: I was worried you had died.
[13:12] <popey> o_O
[13:13] <popey> Good news!
[13:13] <popey> ?
[13:14] <popey> Daviey: getting a lot of "reestablishing connection" to pad.ubuntu-uk.org ☹
[13:15] <Daviey> hmm
[13:15]  * Daviey investigates
[13:16] <popey> Go go gadget sherlock!
[13:16] <Daviey> popey, odd.. the load is 0.01 (which is unusually low)
[13:17] <Daviey> and seems to be running for me :/
[13:17]  * Daviey monitors
[13:18]  * czajkowski Daviey *pokes*
[13:19] <Daviey> czajkowski, ?
[13:19] <czajkowski> its what one does to monitors
[13:19] <Daviey> heh
[13:37] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a decent torrent client plz? transmission is a bit on the slow, rubbish side!
[13:38] <BigRedS> slow in what sense?
[13:38] <BigRedS> but whatever Azureus is called now is often recommended
[13:38] <BigRedS> Vuze?
[13:38] <jonsaint> dunno. i always used it before and it took forever compared to others ive used on microsoft
[13:38] <Daviey> jonsaint: Transmission often gives me 10M/s dowmload.
[13:39] <jonsaint> is it secure daviey?
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: In what sense?
[13:39] <jonsaint> well i used to use peer block with my last lot of software
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: I suspect you are comparing well seeded torrents to poorer ones.
[13:39] <Daviey> jonsaint: transmission does support that.
[13:39] <BigRedS> yeah, I can't say I've noticed problems with transmission, but I've not really benchmarked it either
[13:40] <jonsaint> il give it another try
[13:44] <brobostigon> ./get_iplayer --nopurge --get 12680    docu about syd barrett
[13:45] <brobostigon> load of good music.
[13:47] <davmor2> brobostigon: lot of pink floyds earlier stuff then I take it :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, :)
[13:47] <brobostigon> davmor2: shine on, still makes me feel alittle sad.
[13:48] <davmor2> brobostigon: I still love the fact that they got the the 1979 xmas number 1 :D
[13:48] <davmor2> priceless
[13:48] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes,:)
[14:08] <davmor2> Ahhhhhhhh addicted to love what a video
[14:38] <czajkowski> bugger lost my giffgaff sim
[14:38] <czajkowski> feck
[14:39] <dutchie> :(
[14:40] <popey> "oops"
[14:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: language timothy!
[14:41] <czajkowski> aye
[14:41] <czajkowski> it's somewhere in a bag but for the life of me I cannot find it
[14:41] <czajkowski> rather annoying
[14:41] <czajkowski> popey: tried your site to find the link to order one to give you the reference
[14:42] <dutchie> http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/jshholland ;)
[14:44] <danfish> hmm - I have a giffgaff sim which I've not tried yet and my vodafone contract runs out at the end of the month
[14:44] <danfish> have people had good expeiences with giffgaff?
[14:44] <dutchie> yes
[14:46] <danfish> I don't want a new monthly contract so I think I'll given them a go for a couple of months :)
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: I've read lots of positive reviews
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> If I needed a UK SIM, I'd get a Giffgaff one :)
[14:49] <siliconmeadow> I have a Natty "proposed update" kernel running on my laptop - 2.6.38-9-generic. I don't know how I ended up with it. I'd like to have the proper 2.6.38-10 that I've got on my desktop. Is there a way to get that kernel with apt-get or aptitude?
[14:51] <czajkowski> davmor2: can always get an o2 monthly
[14:51] <czajkowski> and top up each month
[14:51] <czajkowski> danfish: ^^^^
[14:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: I was gonna say I'm on contract with Orange why would I do that :D
[14:52] <czajkowski> I blame tab completion
[14:53] <oimon> ugh really? "Microsoft ® Office Starter 2010 includes reduced-functionality versions of Word and Excel with advertising. Purchase an Office 2010 license for full-featured Office software"
[14:53] <DJones> oimon: Yep really
[14:56] <DJones> I guess MS realised that Works was a bit out of date & they could see potential competition from LIbre/Open Office & decided to offer that
[14:57] <davmor2> DJones: that's been on offer since they rolled out Windows 7
[14:57] <oimon> i have never used works , or seen what it looks like in my entire life of working in IT
[15:00] <DJones> davmor2: hadn't realised that was when it started
[15:00] <DJones> Did they give out Works with Vista?
[15:00] <davmor2> and it is limited too
[15:00] <oimon> someone was asking em the other day about transferring an OEM copy of windows..apparently it's not legally possible
[15:01] <oimon> sorry i mean OEM copy of Office
[15:01] <BigRedS> no, OEM licenses are tied to the machine
[15:01] <BigRedS> for soem SM definition of 'machine'
[15:01] <BigRedS> er, 'some' and 'MS'
[15:01] <AlanBell> depends on your durisdiction and doctrine of sale rules or something I expect
[15:01] <AlanBell> either way, use LibreOffice
[15:01] <AlanBell> jurisdiction
[15:02] <DJones> I've seen it installed on new Win 7 machines but not used it, don't know how limited it is
[15:02] <davmor2> DJones: only works with docx (or what ever it is called) and txt iirc
[15:03] <DJones> davmor2: Right, my parents have got it on their machines, but all they ever use is the basic word & excel functions so they wouldn't notice any problem
[15:04] <oimon> DJones: ehat about the adverts?
[15:04] <DJones> oimon: They've never commented about them
[15:05] <kaushal> Hi
[15:05] <oimon> i hate it when i receive something in docx format..it means 75% of my users can't read it, and nor can any mobile devices
[15:05] <kaushal> Is there a way to monitor CPU and MEMORY Usage for a specific period of time and story it in a file for future reference
[15:05] <popey> kaushal: sar
[15:05] <oimon> i keep telling people who install office on windows to change the option so that it doesn't save in docx by default
[15:06] <kaushal> popey: but that doesnot tell about memory usage
[15:06] <popey> hmm, vmstat
[15:06] <kaushal> ok
[15:07]  * Gary passes popey some autoglym car polish
[15:07]  * popey passes Gary a brick
[15:07] <Gary> you okay?
[15:07] <popey> yeah
[15:08] <Gary> I always thought your commute to work was a wander down the garden path
[15:09] <popey> sadly not
[15:09] <popey> unles my house was in farnborough and the garden was in uxbridge
[15:10] <Gary> I went for a job interview where the company's offices were based in a (largeish) wooden summerhouse in the back garden, they ran a (small) webfarm from servers in there, which meant nice heating in winter, but not so great in the summer
[15:11] <oimon> sounds fun
[15:11] <Gary> kinda glad I did not get that job
[15:11] <oimon> was the salary paid in garden produce?
[15:11]  * czajkowski tickles Gary
[15:11] <Gary> oimon: no idea, but the only loo's were in the main house!
[15:11] <Gary> hey ya cz<tab>
[15:11]  * Gary hides
[15:11] <andylockran> hey guys
[15:12] <popey> I have worked for a company where the office was in the bosses back garden
[15:12] <oimon> btrfs will be defauly filesystem in fedora 16 :-|
[15:12] <andylockran> I have a Maxtor USB disk plugged into a remote linux box
[15:12] <popey> yeah oimon
[15:12] <popey> fun huh :D
[15:12] <BigRedS> I think fedoras aiming to be a liveCD comedy act
[15:12] <popey> lucky you andylockran
[15:12] <popey> also
[15:12] <andylockran> how I can find out which device it is in /dev/ to mount it?
[15:12] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[15:12] <andylockran> popey: :)
[15:12] <BigRedS> andylockran: depends, what do you know about it
[15:12] <BigRedS> ?
[15:13] <BigRedS> generally, fdisk -l /dev/sd? will be useful
[15:13] <andylockran> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0d49:7450 Maxtor
[15:13] <andylockran> no worries
[15:13] <andylockran> I was misreading the output
[15:13] <andylockran> I thought I had a mirrored setup with three partitions on each (as is standard for all the machines in this setup)
[15:13] <danfish> czajkowski: tx
[15:13] <andylockran> but someone's set this up with two
[15:14] <andylockran> so there are 6 devices listed..
[15:14] <andylockran> the last one.. being /dev/sdc ... the disk I want
[15:15]  * Gary nibbles on czajkowski
[15:17] <czajkowski> :o
[15:17] <czajkowski> oi
[15:19] <oimon> ewww
[15:20] <DJones> Gary: Be careful, you might get alcohol poisoning
[15:20] <Gary> how have you been czajkowski
[15:21] <Gary> DJones: why, does she have a high alcohol content?
[15:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: see now if that was me or MooDoo we'd of been sent off to the naughty step, unfairness in punishment :P
[15:22] <DJones> Gary: If twitter is to be believed, seems like every tweet is "I'm in .... pub/bar" ;)
[15:30] <czajkowski> oh I had yummy peach beer last night
[15:30] <czajkowski> DJones: stop making me out to be a piss head
[15:32] <DJones> czajkowski: Only joking, you could be working for teh good pub guide and be doing reports on them all :)
[15:33] <czajkowski> I wish
[15:33] <czajkowski> I should get a pub and rugby rewiew gig
[15:33] <czajkowski> I'd be so happy
[15:33] <brobostigon> :)
[15:34] <czajkowski> danfish: Heineken cup final 2013 is in ireland :D
[15:37] <danfish> czajkowski: \o/....the irony if there's no Irerish team in the final
[15:38] <danfish> s/Irerish/Irish
[15:38] <czajkowski> out of 16 finals
[15:38] <czajkowski> we've won 4
[15:38] <czajkowski> :)
[15:39] <danfish> bah - luck of the Irish ;)
[15:40] <davmor2> danfish: lucky czajkowski can now wallop you and get away with it ;)
[15:40] <popey> I saw this and thought of daubers http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Womens-T-Shirts/TV-and-Film-T-Shirts/p1579_sc1404.aspx
[15:42] <czajkowski> daubers: did you get magic stuff on the post yet..
[15:42] <danfish> popey: I get the bee thingy, but I thought daubers was/is a man
[15:43] <popey> they do mens t-shirts too
[15:43] <danfish> ah
[15:44] <Gary> DJones: that is correct for me too
[15:48] <daubers> czajkowski: I did! They turned up... Monday. Thank you very much :)
[15:48] <czajkowski> yay
[15:48] <daubers> popey: Oooooooooh
[15:49] <czajkowski> Id found them when packing
[15:49] <daubers> Shame I have no money this month. Silly car, with it's MOT, Tax and service in the same month
[15:49] <czajkowski> and then forgotten where I put them till I went looking for something warm to wear the other day
[15:49] <popey> daubers: they have lots of amusing t-shirts based around uk cities
[15:49] <daubers> czajkowski: Heh :) No bothers. They made my week a bit less gloomy
[15:50] <czajkowski> :)
[15:51] <daubers> "Reading, for when Slough's just not enough"......
[15:51] <daubers> Doesn't say much really
[15:56] <daubers> I know a few people who could do with one of these http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p6675_sc1386.aspx
[15:57] <daubers> They even have one for dutchie! http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p3013_sc1386.aspx
[15:57] <DJones> One for AlanChicken http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p6563_sc1386.aspx
[15:58] <DJones> I should get one of these http://www.balconyshirts.co.uk/Mens-T-Shirts/Funny-T-Shirts/p3609_sc1386.aspx
[16:04]  * daubers should get a bowtie
[16:04] <daubers> bowties are cool
[16:11] <JGJones> That's not what Melody Pond said :P
[16:16] <popey> AlanBell: hullo!
[16:16] <popey> AlanBell: how easy is it to do recording with Mumble?
[16:17] <AlanBell> easy peasy
[16:18] <daubers> as long as you speak up
[16:18] <daubers> :p
[16:18] <AlanBell> if you have the version in Natty on server and client
[16:18] <davmor2> popey: there is a record button in the client :)
[16:19] <popey> so for example if two people wanted to make a podcast and dont want to use skype..
[16:19] <popey> ?
[16:19] <AlanBell> I put a client on the server to do recording because it would have even latency
[16:20] <AlanBell> yup, it should work just fine for that
[16:20] <AlanBell> and not just two people
[16:21] <popey> might test that tonight
[16:21] <popey> if anyone is about
[16:21] <AlanBell> sure
[16:22] <AlanBell> feel free to use my server
[16:27] <popey> thanks
[16:27] <popey> I'd like to test recording locally
[16:27] <AlanBell> ok
[16:28] <AlanBell> it would be interesting to record locally in two places, and on the server and compare the results
[16:28] <popey> yeah!
[16:28] <davmor2> popey: If I'm around you can ping me I have Alanbell's mumble setup on my phone
[16:28] <popey> heh
[16:28] <AlanBell> ooh, how do I do that on my new phone?
[16:28] <davmor2> AlanBell: type in mumble in the app store
[16:29] <davmor2> might be an external app though I'll find you the link
[16:29] <popey> HP Touchpad looks like an interesting device
[16:29] <popey> webos tablet out on 1st July
[16:30] <popey> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HP-Announces-HP-TouchPad-bw-3702098318.html?x=0
[16:30] <davmor2> AlanBell: http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Installing_Mumble
[16:30] <popey> http://www.hpwebos.com/us/products/pads/touchpad/
[16:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Day 1: Reinstall Windows - http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/day-1-reinstall-windows/
[16:32] <Azelphur> urgh, I'm having fun \o/
[16:32] <Azelphur> PHP decided to create so many files in /var/lib/php5 that it unmounts the filesystem because the directory structure is full
[16:32] <Azelphur> I can't run ls in that folder, find just sucks up 100% memory and hangs, it's insane
[16:32] <Azelphur> I spent 4 hours rming that folder last night, it keeps freezing \o/
[16:33] <popey> "oops"
[16:34] <Azelphur> yea, someone clearly goofed up some php development \o/
[16:34] <popey> "To replicate a new users experience".... daubers
[16:34] <popey> New users don't install the OS
[16:34] <popey> it's done by the OEM
[16:37] <shauno> I don't believe that anymore. comes off as just being an excuse
[16:37] <gord> popey, i think he was setting it back to the OEM install
[16:38] <popey> yes...
[16:38] <popey> "new user"
[16:38] <popey> "new"
[16:38] <popey> since when does a "new user" to windows do an install?
[16:38] <gord> i don't think the act of setting it back was counted in the replication, that was just something he had to do to get it back in that state
[16:38] <gord> and it apparently didn't go well at all
[16:38] <DJones> I read it to be a "new user" of ubuntu, so getting a laptop back to an original win7 install before installing ubuntu
[16:38] <popey> well indeed
[16:39] <ali1234> http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/
[16:39] <ali1234> DJones: no, read that ^
[16:39] <popey> i recently "switched" to windows 7. I only use it for gaming though
[16:39] <popey> seems to work well enough for that single task
[16:39] <DJones> ali1234: Hadn't seen that
[16:39] <popey> I haven't even put an office suite on it
[16:40] <gord> i have a windows 7 install on this machine for gaming, when windows gets out of the way and its just you and steam it works pretty well
[16:40] <gord> i recently learnt that i can't however host any games on this machine from windows, can do from linux, but not windows. it screws up setting itself listening on the right port or something. on a different machine with windows 7 it works okay though
[16:40] <gord> its insane
[16:41] <davmor2> daubers: nice don't ask us for help we all hate you for using windows ;)
[16:41] <oimon> i hate how windows thinks it is helping you by dumbing down, and in fact just hides important functionality..a few friends wonder why their firewalls never work properly on win7..i know why
[17:01] <daubers> popey: The original idea was to set the laptop back to the factory state so it would be like that :( But that step in it's own was very aggravating
[17:01] <popey> heh, yeah
[17:02] <daubers> Going to try put my music/pictures/what not on it this evening
[17:02] <daubers> I reckon it'll bork at the oggs
[17:02] <daubers> and the raw files from my camera
[17:03] <gord> things i discovered, the jamendo plugin for rb seems to download the entire database of album's and tracks on jamendo with metadata to your computer as a giant 100mb .xml file - i want to slap whoever decided that was a good idea
[17:05] <popey> daubers: your camera would have come with software, surely?
[17:07] <daubers> It might have done. Whether I have that software to hand is another question
[17:07] <daubers> Might be in my parents roof
[17:12] <daubers> popey: Looks like it is available on the canon site though
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> daubers: is it signed? are you sure you're getting non-trojaned drivers from Canon?
[17:17] <daubers> MartijnVdS: No idea :) Won't bother looking at it until I get home and have some relevant images to play with
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: just suggesting a point of interest for your 30-days-of-Windows story :)
[17:17] <daubers> :)
[17:23] <shauno> anyone ever send back "wrong number" emails?
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: "wrong number" emails?
[17:24] <shauno> every so often my gmail acct gets emails for the "wrong shaun"
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> mark as spam
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> punish the sender for their mistake by making gmail think their mail is spammy ;)
[17:24] <shauno> it feels like it should be polite to tell people they didn't reach their intended recipient, but it takes far too much work to figure out if it's genuine or not now :/
[17:25]  * daubers goes home
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> daubers: good luck in Wi\ndowsland
[17:27] <shauno> I tried sending myself mail via their uni mailserver to see if it'd relay improperly.  pulled the attached pdf limb from limb to see if there was a payload in it at all.  shot back a polite one-liner, and got a reply from a human
[17:27] <shauno> kinda sad that the default reaction is that if I don't recognise it, it must be spam/virus
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no, it's probably just someone making a mistake
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: but not yours, so don't waste time on it
[17:28] <shauno> if I didn't have time to burn, I wouldn't be babbling about it on irc :o)
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> shauno: good point
[17:28] <AlanBell> MichealH: o/
[17:29] <shauno> unfortunately there's multiple spellings of both my first & last name, so it happens :/
[17:31] <Azelphur> ok, having problems here \o/
[17:32] <Azelphur> PHP has created so many files that it messes up my filesystem and puts it into RO mode
[17:32] <popey> shauno: i do sometimes
[17:32] <Azelphur> I'm trying to rm the files, but there's so many of them. rm seems to not want to remove them
[17:32] <popey> shauno: there's a health club in florida that keeps sending me bills
[17:32] <shauno> hah
[17:32] <Azelphur> suggestions?
[17:32] <popey> Azelphur: local or remote?
[17:32] <Azelphur> local
[17:32] <popey> shut it down, boot live cd, mount it
[17:33] <shauno> I don't get anything that bad. this was the first one I'd got from seattle.  I did get one guy that signed up for vodafone in the UK with my address :/
[17:33] <popey> oh i have a couple of xbox live people using addresses in my domain
[17:33] <popey> I've logged into their account before now
[17:33] <Azelphur> popey: it boots and stays alive for a short amount of time, I run rm -rfv /var/lib/php5 and it just hangs
[17:33] <shauno> it turned out it was one-L vs two-L oneil.  he didn't believe me, so I logged into his acct and sent him a text :)
[17:33] <Azelphur> doesn't say it's removing anything \o/
[17:33] <Azelphur> but yea, maybe a livecd will have more luck.
[17:33] <popey> Azelphur: right, thats why i said bot from live
[17:33] <Azelphur> yea.
[17:40] <shauno> I'd try find too.  something like find /var/lib/php5 -type f -exec rm "{}" ";"
[17:41] <shauno> it tends to handle large folders better than most tools  (and much better than trying to let the shell glob it)
[17:53] <Azelphur> popey: livecd seems like a no deal too :(
[17:54] <Azelphur> same deal, sudo rm -rfv /var/lib/php5 just hangs
[17:55] <Azelphur> and so does ls \o/
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hangs, or takes an age to enumerate all files?
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: unless it's on nfs and the nfs server is no longer available, it shouldn't hang
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (try strace -p pid_of_ls_or_rm_here as root -- if it scrolls it's doing something, if it doesn't it'll tell you what it's waiting for :))
[18:11] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: says select(6, [5], [], NULL, NULL
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: that means it's waiting for a file (or directory) handle to become readable
[18:12] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:12] <Azelphur> someone suggested to me I use rm -d
[18:12] <jacobw> afternoonix
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what does that do?
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> (it's not in the manual)
[18:14] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: not entirely sure
[18:14] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: "Actually, the -d option to rm will apparently unlink the directory regardless of whether it's empty or not. Then, in theory, an fsck would deal with all the unreferenced files that are left on the disk."
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> scary
[18:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:15] <Azelphur> I kinda don't have a choice, though.
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> I'd only do that in single-user mode
[18:15] <Azelphur> single user?
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: "rescue mode" boot
[18:15] <Azelphur> I'm on a livecd for now
[18:15] <Azelphur> so should be ok :P
[18:16] <Azelphur> -d hangs too, hahaha
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: how many files do you have in there?
[18:17] <Azelphur> no idea, but a lot
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: session storage gone mad? :)
[18:17] <Ng> hmm
[18:17]  * Ng tries to work out how to get ecryptfs to produce some useful errors
[18:18] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: apparently
[18:18] <Azelphur> brb, food \o/
[18:20] <daubers> lo
[18:25] <jacobw> was the latest uupc this week?
[18:25] <jacobw> i'm catching up now.
[18:25] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/06/08/s04e08-caught-somewhere-in-time/
[18:28]  * Azelphur returns
[18:29] <jacobw> thanks AlanBell
[18:29] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: how can fsck finish successfully, instantly?
[18:29] <Azelphur> this is making no sense o.O
[18:34] <Azelphur> ah, -f to force
[18:34] <shauno> you're using -f ?
[18:34] <Azelphur> now I am :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> "checking directory structure" this is gonna take a while.
[18:42] <shauno> heh, that's a bit .. err .. http://i.imgur.com/SACYA.jpg
[18:42] <Azelphur> lol
[18:43] <Azelphur> gah, fsck didn't fix it
[18:43] <Azelphur> save me oh great computer gods from the evilness contained within this folder.
[18:43] <shauno> technically it's not broken :/
[18:44] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:45] <shauno> did you try find at all?
[18:47] <Azelphur> shauno: yea it just eats more and more memory
[18:47] <Azelphur> and doesn't actually do anything
[18:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[18:48] <davmor2> meh now she got to see who said what to her muhahahahahaha
[19:03] <popey> haha shauno
[19:10] <Ricey> evening all :)
[19:18] <Ricey> quiet here tonight! everyone still having tea?
[19:24] <davmor2> Ricey: No!
[19:24] <Ricey> me neither, but the one show is on ;)
[19:24] <Ricey> might be that that's keeping everyone busy
[19:24] <Ricey> !
[19:25] <shauno> I'm sorta here, but mostly fighting with Steam vs symlinks :(
[19:27] <Ricey> eep!
[19:28] <Ricey> I just put all my steam apps in a separate folder on a second partition and run stem/then from there
[19:28] <Ricey> steam/them
[19:28] <Ricey> can't type!
[19:30] <Ricey> anyone ever managed to get moonlight to work with ff4 ?
[19:30] <Ricey> i'm just seeing which catch up tv players work on ubuntu
[19:33] <davmor2> shauno: what was that on.  the windows linux?
[19:34] <shauno> davmor2: no idea sadly, it was shared on another network, and I thought it'd get a chuckle here too
[19:48] <Ricey> brb need to reboot - my soundcard doesn't always get detected on this laptop!
[19:50] <davmor2> shauno: no probs
[19:50] <Ricey> that's better :)
[20:12]  * AlanBell pokes MichealH
[20:13] <AlanBell> meeting in 45 minutes or so folks
[20:27] <Core_UK> What meeting?
[20:27] <SuprEngr> AlanBell, already present & correct, Sir
[20:29] <BigRedS> Core_UK: ubuntu-uk loco team meeting. Where 'ubuntu-uk loco team' basically involves anyone who wants to be involved
[20:30] <Core_UK> BigRedS, thank you however I meant more: what is the meeting regarding?
[20:32] <SuprEngr> Core_UK, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Elections
[20:32] <BigRedS> Core_UK: general stuff. It's a montly thing.
[20:32] <BigRedS> biggie this month is how the loco team leader elections work
[20:33] <BigRedS> there's an agenda, uh, somewhere
[20:33] <Core_UK> ok :)
[20:33] <BigRedS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[20:34] <Core_UK> thanks BigRedS, I joined the channel :)
[20:34] <Core_UK> thank you also SuprEngr
[20:36] <gord> awww, gabe newell says he wants to make a linux client for his games but they just don't have the time :(
[20:37] <Core_UK> what developer is that?
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> gord: well if he open sourced them, I'm sure someone would MAKE time :)
[20:37] <gord> Core_UK, valve software CEO
[20:44] <Core_UK> anyone know of a media player that support displaying cue information as if they were individual files (such like foobar on win32?)
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> cue information?
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> what do you mean?
[20:46] <Core_UK> If you have a media file (MP3) that has multiple songs (like a DJ mix) a cue file is sometimes included to separate the songs, i think it just lists the time each song starts
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> But .cue files are for writing to CD
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> I don't think any player understands that
[20:46] <Core_UK> Foobar will look for a cue file in the same directory and if found display the single MP3 as multiple songs
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> maybe vlc, it understands a lot
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> or just get split files ;)
[20:47] <Core_UK> Yeah that is the general advice I get
[20:47] <Core_UK> but I get a lot of mixes in this format
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Burn to CD, play the CD :)
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> (another alternative ;))
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> maybe foobar works in wine?
[20:48] <Core_UK> Maybe ^^
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> also, you could file a (wishlist?) bug report on totem/vlc/banshee
[20:48] <Core_UK> good idea
[20:49] <Core_UK> I prefer banshee I will google how to do it
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: you can file a bug on anything using: ubuntu-bug the_thing
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Core_UK: so "ubuntu-bug banshee" in this case (from a terminal window)
[20:50] <Core_UK> wow
[20:50] <Core_UK> This OS never ceases to suprise me :P
[20:50] <BigRedS> That's one of those things that gets addictive with free software
[20:51] <BigRedS> the amount of times I've tried to find a bugtracker for proprietary software...
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> you could also select "Report a problem" from banshee's menus
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> (the "Help" menu)
[20:54] <Core_UK> indeed
[20:54] <Core_UK> thank you for the advice MartijnVdS
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> no problem :)
[20:54] <BigRedS> Anyone got any strong opinions on roms for a Galaxy S?
[20:54]  * daubers is suffering some irony overload
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Been listening too much Alanis?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Cyanogen.
[20:55] <daubers> Silly Windows won't copy my entire Music collection off my backup in one chunk, so I've been forced into a cmd prompt to do it
[20:55] <daubers> Or move stuff a couple of folders at a time
[20:55] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: it's only available in unstable
[20:55] <gord> daubers, won't copy?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sure it's not a problem of "illegal characters"? (: or \ or some such)
[20:56] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Fails silently
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: using drag & drop in Explorer? wow
[20:56] <daubers> gord: Select all, drag and drop from one place to another
[20:56] <gord> interesting
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: untraceable errors yay (another blog point :)
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: nothing in the system log?
[20:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not that jumps out at me
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: do you have more than MAXINT songs? :)
[20:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: A few GB, so prolly
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I have >400 CDs and that adds up to ~10k songs
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which is several orders of magnitude less than maxint :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> meeting started over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:36] <BigRedS> Are days longer in ip6?
[21:36] <BigRedS> :)
[21:37] <MartijnVdS> 128 bits instead of 32 ;)
[21:37] <AlanBell> 2^96 times longer
[21:37] <BigRedS> haha
[21:37] <BigRedS> yeah, I tried to concoct an actual joke, but rather failed
[21:38] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: hahaha, I managed to get ls to run in this directory without exhausting memory
[21:38] <Azelphur> I'm doing wc -l, this is gonna be funny.
[21:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: wc just counts and discards, shouldn't eat loads of mem
[21:39] <Azelphur> yea, ls -U1 doesn't sort them or keep them in memory too so I can use it
[21:39] <Azelphur> It's running now, I wonder how many files php has created for me.
[21:39] <BigRedS> ahhh, I wondered what you'd done to ls
[21:39] <BigRedS> i think find discards once it prints, too
[21:40] <Azelphur> BigRedS: nah it doesn't
[21:40] <BigRedS> ah
[21:40] <BigRedS> that's silly of it
[21:58] <AlanBell> Daviey: is mootbot-uk awol?
[21:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 14.5 million php session files
[21:58] <Azelphur> php being fun \o/
[21:59] <Daviey> pah
[21:59] <Daviey> one moment
[22:01] <AlanBell> thanks
[22:37] <shauno> Azelphur, is there anything funky in the filenames? spaces etc?
[22:37] <Azelphur> shauno: nope, they are just php session files
[22:37] <Azelphur> shauno: I'm slowly removing them, should take like 5 days though.
[22:37] <shauno> if you can get ls to run, you should be able to make a loop outta it now
[22:38] <Azelphur> shauno: yep, that's what I did
[22:38] <shauno> coolbeans
[22:39] <Azelphur> shauno: it's removing about 33 files a second, it's gotta do 15.5 million
[22:39] <Azelphur> will take a few days
[22:40] <shauno> :)
[22:40] <shauno> you might find it actually runs faster without -v.  or if you can switch to a different vt so it's not drawing line by line
[22:42] <Core_UK> How do I add the ubuntu-uk podcast to banshee?
[22:46] <jacobw> http://library.gnome.org/users/banshee/1.8/add-podcast.html.en
[22:47] <Core_UK> I tried adding the URL
[22:47] <jacobw> Banshee can be slow
[22:47] <jacobw> Its always been slow :|
[22:48] <Core_UK> No I am silly
[22:48] <Core_UK> Banshee is slow? You prefer an alternative?
[22:53] <jacobw> Rhythmbox is good enough
[22:53] <jacobw> I don't particulary dislike Banshee, I just think its slow
[23:01] <Core_UK> ok :)
[23:02] <jsp8> funny thing about banshee is the way it duplicates entries in the media library after ripping a cd
[23:02] <jsp8> never worked out why...


[03:28] <Guest67426> how do i put usb drivers on a computer without any non usb interface or HDD
[12:59] <samandar> Hello friends!
[12:59] <samandar> Finally I installed Lubuntu LXQT version
[12:59] <samandar> Its wonderful to use it'
[12:59] <samandar> awesome!
[13:00] <samandar> despite some issues I encountered I like it
[13:00] <samandar> the only issue currently I have is how to connect to wi-fi
[13:00] <samandar> I found this one over the internet https://github.com/lxde/lxqt-connman-applet
[13:00] <samandar> but no idea how to build this
[13:01] <samandar> Could you tell where I can find already built applets?
[13:40] <korisnik> good afternon
[13:44] <korisnik_> good afternoon
[14:19] <korisnik> good afternoon
[14:20] <korisnik> from trash saved Pc


[18:41] <NintendoGuy02836> Hello
[18:42] <NintendoGuy02836> I'm looking to install a new modem in my laptop so it will work with Ubuntu
[18:42] <NintendoGuy02836> How easy is it to install a new internal modem?
[18:58] <gw280> NintendoGuy0: very easy
[18:58] <gw280> NintendoGuy0: oh wait, depends on your laptop make
[18:58] <gw280> sorry, thought this was a thinkpad channel
[18:59] <NintendoGuy0> ha, okay
[18:59] <NintendoGuy0> Well it's an Advent 7110


[10:42] <RainCT> where's the right place to file feature requests for gnome-appearance-properties?
[10:56] <jpds> RainCT: gnome-control-center on bugs.gnome.org? Component Appearance?
[11:00] <RainCT> jpds: thanks
[22:24] <bhati> can anyone help me with sound problem of sony vaio VGN-B1XP