[00:04] <astraljava> len-1204: They seem to be related to the last revision, in which falktx mentions support being added for both Xfce and KDE menus.
[00:06] <falktx> len-1204: I did my research there, that was the best method I could come up with that worked in most DEs (at least Gnome, XFCE and KDE)
[00:06] <falktx> the old method only worked properly on Gnome
[00:06] <falktx> didn't worked on XFCE and had issues with KDE
[00:07] <len-1204> Oh boy... Ok, Scott wanted some changes, I was going to try some.... Are we wooried about anything other than xfce still?
[00:22] <falktx> ubuntustudio-menu package is installable in any DE
[00:23] <falktx> It makes sense to make that it supports more than just xfce
[00:35] <holstein> falktx: i like where your head is at with that
[00:43] <falktx> :)
[00:43] <len-1204> I figured...
[00:43] <len-1204> Any idea which one is which?
[00:44] <falktx> which?
[00:44] <len-1204> the menu files.
[00:44] <falktx> len-1204: only the "remove old entry" is duplicated
[00:44] <falktx> the big file is the main one
[00:45] <len-1204> which one is for which desktop kind
[00:45] <falktx> hm?
[00:45]  * falktx is confused
[00:46] <len-1204> The idea of the files in /etc/xdg is that they should work with any desktop enviro.
[00:46] <len-1204> so how come I have two files that do the same thing?
[00:47] <len-1204> If they are to support more than one DE then which one supports which DE?
[00:48] <falktx> ah
[00:49] <falktx> I don't remember the details now
[00:49] <len-1204> There are two files (see above) that take a bunch of AV menu items out of mutimedia and split them into video and audio production
[00:49] <falktx> but I'm sure the xfce-applications.menu symlink if for xfce
[00:49] <len-1204> Ja ;-)
[00:49] <falktx> len-1204: as I said, one of those files only contains the "removed entries" desktop files
[00:50] <falktx> there's basically
[00:50] <falktx> - big file, contatins all data
[00:50] <falktx> - small file, contains removed entries (duplicated from big file, for compatibility with other DEs)
[00:50] <falktx> - xfce symlink
[00:51] <falktx> I don't remeber the filenames now (for the big and small file)
[00:51] <falktx> I did my testing, and that config syntax was the best I could achieve
[00:51] <falktx> I use it for my custom kxstudio-menu package
[00:52] <len-1204> So to fiddle with anything I need to install kde and gnome as well?
[00:52] <falktx> btw, it works here in razor-qt as well
[00:52] <falktx> len-1204: no, the menu file (should) support all
[00:52] <falktx> ie, support whatever DE is installed, if they follow the specs
[00:53] <falktx> I think the duplicated removed entries is for gnome, now that I think of it...
[00:54] <len-1204> so http://standards.freedesktop.org is a good place to look for what is going on?
[00:54] <falktx> len-1204: note - most DEs don't follow standards
[00:54] <len-1204> That includes gnome3?
[00:54] <falktx> gnome2 and xfce
[00:55] <falktx> len-1204: I never tested with gnome3
[00:55] <falktx> afaik, it doesn't use this kind of menu
[00:55] <falktx> the "legacy menu" is only available with custom extensions afaik
[00:55] <len-1204> Oh yeah, shold have thought of that... unity either
[00:55] <falktx> yep
[00:55] <falktx> I believe this works with 'cardapio' app
[00:56] <falktx> I remember seeing it working once
[00:56] <len-1204> I don't get out enough...
[00:57] <falktx> someone should test lxde and check if the menu is still valid there
[00:57] <len-1204> I think I will start with the xfce stuff and migrate from there.
[00:58] <falktx> len-1204: you want to add more apps to the menu files?
[00:59] <len-1204> another menu or two. Scott wants to take the audio pro and video pro menus out of multimedia and into main
[00:59] <falktx> really?
[00:59] <len-1204> Leave MM for desktop stuff.
[00:59] <falktx> so we would have:
[01:00] <falktx> - Audio
[01:00] <falktx> - Video
[01:00] <falktx> - Multimedia
[01:00] <falktx> the 3?
[01:00] <len-1204> maybe more or just sub menus in audio
[01:01] <falktx> len-1204: I can easily make the menu changes when needed, since I made them ;)
[01:01] <len-1204> But that is the idea.
[01:01] <falktx> len-1204: just tell me which changes to make (when definitive)
[01:03] <len-1204> I think video can stand as it is, but I was going to put a sub menu for sound gen and maybe one for mixers (there are all these card specific mixers)
[01:03] <len-1204> Part of the problem is I still don't know what apps we will actually finally end up with.
[01:06] <len-1204> I was hoping they would get put in sooner than later.
[01:06] <falktx> well, we need to all apps in the menu anyway
[01:07] <falktx> ie, if the user installs a daw that doesn't come with US by default, it still should go to the proper menu place
[01:07] <falktx> so, we just put all possible desktop files, right?
[01:07] <len-1204> They will, the question is where... it would probably end up in MM
[01:09] <len-1204> ardour 3 already does.
[01:11] <falktx> MM?
[01:11] <len-1204> multimedia
[01:22] <len-1204> falktx: it looks like basically the audio and video menus are custom made deals. Most of these files are either audio or video, but there doesn't seem to be a way of splitting them up and still using MM as a catch all.
[01:22] <len-1204> for example audacious would end up in adio
[01:23] <len-1204> audio if we just put all audio thing in audio
[01:23] <len-1204>  but we want it in MM.
[01:24] <len-1204> So the excludes and includes have tried to deal with more than just what we ship.
[01:28] <len-1204> There are lots of sub categories in the spec... like audiovideo,audio,mixer, but nobody seems to have used them.
[01:30] <len-1204> Or, they have used so many...
[02:50] <len> Ok, changing the one in the /etc/xdg/menus/appliactions-merged directory changes things in the xfce menu right away.
[03:21] <len-1204> Hmm, does it matter on the main menu where the audio and video selections fall?
[03:22] <len-1204> Right now the audio is second from the top and video is at the bottom. I was thinking to put them together. any opinions?
[03:23] <len-1204> ScottL ^^^
[03:25] <ScottL> len-1204, i had considered putting the audio, video, and graphic (and probably photography) menus together in their own section
[03:28] <len-1204> ScottL: Ok I will put a separator in. Should the three be before settings then right at the top?
[03:32] <len-1204> ScottL: I had not thought about photography as different from graphics. So many of the apps might be used for either or.
[03:33] <len-1204> I could put some repeats...
[03:38] <holstein> len-1204: ping
[03:38] <holstein> len:
[03:38] <len-1204> Aye
[03:38] <holstein> len-1204: you busy for about 20 minutes?
[03:39] <len-1204> I can be free a bit. What would yopu like?
[03:40] <holstein> len-1204: you want to work on this installer slide show with me?
[03:40] <len-1204> Ok, do you have it on a web site?
[03:41] <holstein> nope
[03:41] <len-1204> OK
[03:41] <holstein> im actually just getting started
[03:41] <holstein> i was thinking about trying to share my screen with you over team viewer or something
[03:41] <holstein> let me see how challening that is going to be
[03:41] <len-1204> I don't have anything not in US1204
[03:42] <holstein> i know
[03:42] <holstein> i think im going to tyr and get away with using my production machine
[03:42] <holstein> its 10.04
[03:42] <holstein> but the stuff looks the same
[03:43] <holstein> i dont thing we need shots of the menus and stuff, since that is still in flux
[03:43] <len-1204> It is just a web page. If you take the ubiquity one we have now and hit the browser with the index.html file it works in firefox
[03:44] <len-1204> I would just put screen shots of apps
[03:44] <holstein> yeah, thats what i was thinking
[03:44] <len-1204> We could even use the same shot they do for firefox
[03:45] <holstein> sure
[03:46] <len-1204> It may be easiest if I fire up the live dvd so i have access to the size of pictures they use.
[03:46] <len-1204> the ones they have in xubunutu
[03:46] <len-1204> xubuntu
[03:46] <holstein> that would be great!
[03:47] <len-1204> are too big. they push the bottom progress bar off the bottom of the screen
[03:47] <holstein> knome told me the sizes
[03:47] <holstein> not that i remember where that went
[03:47] <len-1204> Ya but they were the same as xubuntu I think
[03:47] <len-1204>  c u in two or so.
[03:47] <holstein> cool!
[03:52] <Len-live> holstein: I'm back
[03:53] <holstein> Len-live: does this work? http://go.teamviewer.com/v7/m28470806
[03:54] <Len-live> I get :You need a newer version of Adobe Flash Player to use TeamViewer. You can download this player
[03:54] <holstein> you cant just force it?
[03:56] <micahg> flash should be up to date in all releases
[03:56] <Len-live> I would have thought... but I am live. I may have to download it.
[03:57] <micahg> yes, we don't ship flash on media
[03:58] <holstein> Len-live: not a deal breaker
[03:59] <Len-live> I don't get the normal installer either.
[04:01] <Len-live> Ok, I went to youtube... now loading.
[04:01] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png
[04:02] <Len-live> Anyway, slideshow.conf says 752x442
[04:03] <Len-live> With the size that you sent you would have to put any text on top.
[04:05] <Len-live> their browser shot is 448X304
[04:06] <ScottL> holstein, Len-live , don't forget about the roadmap that links to the slideshow specs (including image sizes, etc)
[04:06] <ScottL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Roadmap
[04:07] <Len-live> That sure gets the point across about lots of connections though.
[04:07] <holstein> ScottL: cool... that'll do it
[04:07] <ScottL> i would suggest keeping in mind what you want to feature or highlight about what ubuntu studio represents or offers
[04:07] <holstein> Len-live: let me just link some, and you through out ideas
[04:08] <ScottL> e.g., show jack and say that it offers infinite connections and hyper-low latencies
[04:08] <holstein> if we get the shots and the text together, i can do the size
[04:08] <ScottL> jack has unlimited tracks, in-line plugins, automated faders, etc, etc
[04:08] <ScottL> basically i was stealing those lines from their respective website ;)
[04:09] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png
[04:10] <Len-live> Ok, that gets two apps at once though we don't have to. We could adjust the slide chaneg rate too
[04:11] <Len-live> Again though I don't see where you would put the text
[04:11] <holstein> Len-live: knome said if they are the correct size, we just get the text to him and he'll knock it out
[04:11] <holstein> not really sure how
[04:12] <holstein> Len-live: are you alright with those 2?
[04:12] <Len-live> Knock it out as in put it on top? I was looking at the original and it has text beside the images for the most part
[04:12] <Len-live> they have good content.
[04:12] <ScottL> holstein, i didn't look at the image but combining jack and ardour wouldn't be a bad thing to do
[04:12] <Len-live> He had ardour and jammin
[04:13] <ScottL> that's good too :)
[04:13] <Len-live> The first was qjackdctl with the conection screen open behind.
[04:14] <Len-live> We should use the one they have for shotwell
[04:14] <holstein> man... i dont know *anything* about blender
[04:15] <holstein> yup... agreed about shotwell
[04:15] <holstein> Len-live: is there a "gimp" one? i was about to do that
[04:15] <Len-live> Can leave the text the same too
[04:15] <Len-live> No there is no gimp
[04:16] <holstein> we need a GIMP?
[04:16] <holstein> i mean, i want JACK and ardour for sure
[04:16] <holstein> the GIMP and blender were on my list
[04:17] <Len-live> They have a browse, office, USC, customize, photographs, mobilize, social, music and startfast
[04:17] <holstein> Len-live: are you a MIDI guy?
[04:17] <Len-live> I would do something with gimp, not sure what... I don't know blender either
[04:18] <Len-live> i know what a chord looks like on a key board... ;-)
[04:18] <holstein> hehe
[04:18] <holstein> Len-live: i say we use one from the blender site
[04:18] <holstein> you agree?
[04:18] <Len-live> Good idea
[04:19] <Len-live> I haven't seen it, but I figure they know what it can do
[04:20] <Len-live> I think the only two we can use from the original Sliideshow are the shotwell and browser.
[04:20] <holstein> nice text here too :)
[04:21] <Len-live> Ok.
[04:23] <Len-live> Looking at the blender site I am not sure which one.
[04:25] <holstein> Len-live: i got one
[04:25] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png
[04:25] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png
[04:26] <holstein> let me load up a screenie of midi apps
[04:26] <Len-live> holstein: Both look good, but I have to go, the family needs me
[04:26] <Len-live> Ok one more
[04:28] <Len-live> You guys with the uprights sure like to bend those strings. A friend of mine hits them pretty hard too.
[04:28] <Len-live> I thought I was rough, but mine is amplified.
[04:29] <holstein> hehe
[04:29] <holstein> Len-live: thanks for the help
[04:30] <Len-live> Ok, if you leave a link up I'll look when I get back
[05:20] <holstein> Len-live: i think id like to keep the shotwell one only
[05:21] <holstein> i think the FF one will be out of place
[05:21] <holstein> and, some folks doing audio production dont have their machines online
[05:44] <Len-live> Ok, not exactly inspirational anyway.
[05:45] <Len-live> holstein: did you find a midi shot?
[05:45] <holstein> Len-live: lemme link you the shots i have
[05:45] <holstein> SO, im thinking no on the FF one
[05:45] <holstein> but lets keep the openshot one
[05:45] <holstein> then...
[05:45] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/ardour.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/blender.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effects.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/effets2.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/gimp.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/jack1.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/MIDI1.png
[05:46] <holstein> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/qtractor.png
[05:46] <holstein> that would be 9
[05:47] <holstein> there are 2 rakarrack-ish ones though
[05:49] <Len-live> I would take the qtracktor over the hydrogen one
[05:50] <Len-live> Hydrogen is really good, but the other shows whats going on better
[05:50] <Len-live> It would be nice if we had a video editing something.
[05:50] <holstein> Len-live: i had lsd make it for me :)
[05:50] <holstein> Len-live: thats openshot right?
[05:50] <holstein> or is that photo?
[05:50] <Len-live> open shot is more photography
[05:51] <holstein> i really like kden
[05:51] <holstein> but thats mis-representinng i think
[05:51] <Len-live> Hard to show video editing in a still though
[05:51] <holstein> ScottL: are you home?
[05:52] <Len-live> It may be a bit late for him
[05:52] <holstein> hmmm....
[05:52] <holstein> he has some video projects though...
[05:53] <holstein> Len-live: what editor is "default" ?
[05:53] <Len-live> which kind of editor? video?
[05:53] <holstein> yup
[05:54] <Len-live> Oops open shot is video, I was thinking shotwell that is photo
[05:54] <holstein> Len-live: COOL
[05:54] <holstein> that makes things easier
[05:54] <holstein> or was that shotwell in the slider?
[05:54] <holstein> prolly was
[05:55] <Len-live> the other is xjdeo
[05:55] <Len-live> xjadeo is how its spelt
[05:55] <holstein> hehe
[05:56] <Len-live> there is a subtitle editor as well.
[05:56] <Len-live> the slider had shotwell.
[05:57] <holstein> lets just use http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/pictures/ubuntustudio/openshot.png
[05:57] <holstein> and i think we are done
[05:57] <holstein> i mean, choosing, that is
[05:57] <Len-live> That works
[05:59] <Len-live> What are you using as title?
[05:59] <holstein> Len-live: not sure yet
[05:59] <holstein> im going to look over the guidelines
[05:59] <holstein> get the sizes right
[06:00] <holstein> steal from the sites as much as possible
[06:00] <Len-live> Easiest way to do it
[06:01] <Len-live> holstein: I'm rebooting back to 1204 installed to do some more menu playing.
[06:01] <holstein> Len-live: cool
[06:01] <holstein> im going to crash
[06:01] <holstein> im beat!
[06:01] <Len-live> night
[06:02] <holstein> knome: i should have all this ready for you tomorrow... thanks!
[08:08] <knome> holstein, sure
[16:49] <holstein> knome: ping
[16:49] <knome> holstein, dong
[16:49] <holstein> o/
[16:49] <holstein> knome: im resizing the slides.. do you have a second?
[16:50] <knome> yeah, a second maybe :)
[16:50] <holstein> 215x130 is *really* cramping the style
[16:50] <holstein> not useable
[16:50] <holstein> did you say there was a bigger size if i *dont* have just one window?
[16:50] <holstein> the res has to be 72 right?
[16:51] <holstein> i can take smaller parts of the screen shot as well.. im just seeking input
[16:59] <knome> 215x130? who said that?
[16:59] <holstein> im referencing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/Slideshow
[16:59] <holstein> knome: i didnt make a note of what you had said, though i should have
[16:59] <knome> right.
[16:59] <holstein> i remember there being a few size options
[17:01] <knome> so
[17:01] <knome> the sizes are
[17:01] <knome> either 450x410 (if it's cut from right-bottom, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png)
[17:01] <holstein> im am putting these in a text file in dropbox *right* *now* !
[17:02] <knome> or, 440x370, if you're presenting a "full" shot, like: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/slideshow/04_abiword.png
[17:02] <holstein> knome: thanks... i think that'll do it
[17:03] <knome> ok, good
[20:51] <scott-work> TheMuso: did you get your changes into REVU? i don't think i see any updates
[21:13] <TheMuso> scott-work: No, for some reason I am unable to upload to review, the incoming directory doesn't appear to exist on the server after the downtime last week...
[21:16] <scott-work> TheMuso: hmmm, i had trouble as well earler but siretart helped me
[21:16] <TheMuso> scott-work: How so?
[21:46] <scott-work> TheMuso:  i managed to dput it up, although it went to a rejected directory or similar, but siretart pulled it out and put it in new
[21:51] <TheMuso> scott-work: Right...
[21:52] <TheMuso> scott-work: That doesn't really help, as revu uploads are broken for everybody else.
[23:01] <ScottL> TheMuso, i meant that maybe siretart might be able to help
[23:06] <len> ScottL: is there any reason not to do things as xubuntu has done for menus. They have made their own xdg directory and done everything from scratch.
[23:14] <TheMuso> ScottL: Thanks, seems someone is around who has admin powers to have a look.
[23:28] <ScottL> len, is that not what falktx_ did with our menu?
[23:28] <ScottL> len, also, are you able to install from the live dvd image?
[23:28] <len> ScottL: No, he has just merged into the stock one.
[23:29] <len> Yes I can install.
[23:29] <ScottL> len, oh, didn't know that :/
[23:29] <len> At least two days ago. I did not try yesterdays or todays.
[23:30] <len> Xubuntu created a directory /etc/xdg/xubuntu-xdg and put a copy of anything in xdg in there and then made what they want and set the configpath to that instead of /etyc/xdg
[23:31] <len> It would mean changing some other things, but might make setting up themes etc easier too.
[23:31] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok uploading now, will take a while.
[23:32] <ScottL> TheMuso, exciting!  thank you :)
[23:32] <TheMuso> To revu that is...
[23:32] <ScottL> yeah, i know ;)
[23:33] <len> ScottL: is there any reason to try another install just now? I have been using the last one to play with menus.
[23:34] <ScottL> len, i don't know, i'm just trying to get one installed
[23:34] <ScottL> len, do you choose "install" from the first menu or go live then install it?
[23:34] <len> The one problem with replacing the xdg menu is for those who are running something else and installing our meta.
[23:34] <len> I have done it both ways, but mostly from live.
[23:35] <len> It means I can run xchat and start an xtermto  do less /var/log/syslog so I can watch what is going on.
[23:36] <len> I can also set up jackd to RT before first boot and add the default.desktop to make sure lightdm works.
[23:38] <len> I was waiting for some changes before I did another install.
[23:40] <len> ScottL: I think I have answered my own question on the menus... I will work with it the way it is.
[23:41] <len> We are supporting a different base of people than xubuntu and expect people may install one meta in some other distro. I don't want to wreck their setup, just add to it.
[23:43] <len> I have got to the point of having the four extra menus, it is just the separating them to their own part of the menu with a separator. More work tonight if I have time.


[08:09] <paulo_gomes> hi all
[08:09] <paulo_gomes> anyone having trouble connecting to google via empathy?
[10:55] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <pdo_fn14> how to get rid of this "ttf-mscorefonts-installer" annoyance?
[13:25] <ikonia> pdo_fn14: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:26] <brainwash> does the package cause any trouble?
[13:27] <pdo_fn14> Utopic, but the package was installed.
[13:28] <brainwash> did you try to remove the package?
[13:31] <pdo_fn14> brainwash: And reinstall it again?.
[13:32] <brainwash> what are you trying to fix?
[13:34] <brainwash> if you want to get rid of the "ttf-mscorefonts-installer annoyance", then reinstalling the package won't help I guess
[13:34] <pdo_fn14> I agree with you.
[15:14] <ESphynx> hey guys having issues here ?
[15:14] <ESphynx> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[15:14] <ESphynx> can't seem to upgrade?
[15:15] <ESphynx> permission of setuid helper is not correct from GDBus ?
[15:16] <ESphynx> just apt-get update is saying that now :||
[16:04] <ESphynx> think I got past that
[16:11] <ESphynx> insserv rejected the script header now :S
[18:39] <c_smith> anyone else here manage to get 3D acceleration with fglrx on 14.10
[18:39] <c_smith> ?
[18:40] <c_smith> until I get fglrx working in 14.10, I can't test it without immediate panics due to my hardware not liking a system without AMD's drivers
[18:43] <brainwash> you should at least create a bug report to address this issue
[18:45] <c_smith> brainwash, will do when I finish clearing Arch from this system. XD
[18:45] <c_smith> the Kernel Panic is not related, though, from what I can tell the card doesn't like modesetting without the fglrx driver
[18:48] <c_smith> brainwash, you wouldn't happen to have a link to the forum section for ubuntu+1, would you? google is failing me. :(
[18:50] <brainwash> c_smith: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[18:50] <c_smith> brainwash, thanks, good sir. :)
[18:59] <ironwine> Hi, anyone have problem connecting with iPhone on Ubuntu 14.10
[18:59] <ironwine> it said that "cannot mount..."
[19:01] <ironwine> it worked before on 14.04
[20:57] <c_smith> hmmm.... no bug report needed since the bug I ran into last time I tried 14.10 seems to have been resolved
[22:44] <chrs_> i feel like it's worth trying one of the daily images because of unity 7.3.0 and hidpi support
[22:45] <chrs_> are these images stable at all
[22:45] <chrs_> ?


[07:39] <bigjools> smoser: FYI I am just landing a branch in trunk that adds a maas command to manipulate api keys
[07:43] <rvba`> smoser: see "sudo maas apikey -h" (^)
[09:27] <epic_> i am getting TFTP open timeout when i boot my nodes
[09:27] <epic_> where can I see if my tftp server is running?
[10:21] <epic_> so I have my node booted from PXE, but after some PXE boots rounds I get:
[10:21] <epic_> Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/01-00 (mac addr)
[10:21] <epic_> and it stops
[10:22] <epic_> and pserv.log spits out lots of error
[10:22] <epic_> s
[10:23] <epic_> exceptions.AssertionError: No PXE template found in '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/provisioningserver/pxe'!
[10:25] <epic_> status of the node is ready
[10:30] <epic_> http://pastebin.com/EHyZFZXf
[10:35] <bigjools> you're booting the node manually before maas thinks it needs booting
[10:35] <epic_> ok
[10:35] <epic_> it doesnt seem to have WoL
[10:35] <epic_> so how do i do it?
[10:36] <epic_> in the web interface the "start node" button is greyed
[10:36] <bigjools> If you have no way of auto-powering a node, then it diminishes the usefulness somewhat.   But you would need to work out which node maas wants to start (it'll be in an allocated state) and then power it up yourself
[10:37] <epic_> so how do i allocate it ?
[10:38] <bigjools> click start, or use juju
[10:38] <epic_> ah juju
[10:38] <epic_> because the start button is not clickable :)
[10:39] <bigjools> is it in a 'ready' state?
[10:39] <epic_> yeah
[10:39] <bigjools> hmmmm weird.
[10:39] <bigjools> rvba: ^ why would "start" be greyed out for a ready node?
[10:41] <rvba> epic_: don't you get a tooltip that explains why it's greyed out when you hover over the button?
[10:45] <epic_> huh after some fiddling with juju the status is now
[10:45] <epic_> Allocated to epic
[10:45] <epic_> (my maas username)
[10:45] <epic_> and start button is gone, trying to boot pxe again
[10:46] <epic_> so sorry i missed the grey button tooltip, dont remember it beeing any
[10:46] <epic_> it seems to boot fine now
[12:46] <smoser> bigjools, yeah, i saw that MP . thank you.
[14:05] <roaksoax> rvba: ping
[14:05] <rvba> roaksoax: hi
[14:05] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy! How's everything?
[14:05] <rvba> roaksoax: good… you all right?
[14:06] <roaksoax> rvba: iu'm ok, still getting used to the time.. lol
[14:06] <rvba> heh
[14:06] <roaksoax> rvba: so I was wondering if you have a list of things that you would like me (or the server team) to take care of on the maas team
[14:08] <rvba> roaksoax: well, I don't see anything urgent.  We're still debriefing the sprint with Julian.  We will probably be in touch next week about that.
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: right, doesn
[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: right, doesn't have to be urgent but rather.. overtime...
[14:09] <roaksoax> rvba: since this week is vUDS.. i thought maybe could be a good idea to communicate the community what were the plans
[14:10] <rvba> roaksoax: the thing we want to do rather quickly where maybe you could give a hand is getting all the templates installed in /etc/maas.  But I must say I haven't looked into it precisely yet.
[14:11] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, I just wanna gather the list of things that I need to keep an eye on/help with so I can add it to "my" BP
[14:13] <rvba> roaksoax: we really need to debrief this with Julian (and we will do this on Monday) but the most accurate list of work items is the spreadsheet I've sent you the other day.
[14:13] <roaksoax> rvba: ok great!
[14:24] <roaksoax> rvba: if i'm around, you can consider including me into your meetings so I can stay up to date with the things you guys decide
[14:28] <rvba> roaksoax: We often met in my mornings (that's the only time suitable for all of us) but we will do our best to keep you in the loop.
[14:29] <roaksoax> rvba: cool thanks
[15:07] <roaksoax> rvba: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21833/servercloud-s-fastpath-install/
[15:10] <rvba> roaksoax: ta
[22:06] <mattrae> i'd like to answer this question about maas using the virsh power option: http://askubuntu.com/questions/292061/how-to-configure-maas-to-be-able-to-boot-virtual-machines
[22:07] <mattrae> anybody have an idea what the values for the virsh power parameters shoudl be?
[22:07] <mattrae> or where i should check the code
[22:07] <roaksoax> mattrae: the answer was provided by robie basak
[22:07] <roaksoax> mattrae: that's the correct answer
[22:08] <mattrae> roaksoax: cool, maas asks for 'Driver' as well but it isn't in the answer
[22:08] <roaksoax> mattrae: driver is not required
[22:09] <roaksoax> mattrae: mattrae nor is username
[22:10] <roaksoax> mattrae: htye are not used and they should probably be removed unless we add support for it
[22:10] <mattrae> roaksoax: great, thanks i'll clarify that. also the answer uses qemu:///system for the address. if i want to use qemu+ssh://<IP_ADDRESS>/ for example, do i need to generate a ssh key?
[22:14] <roaksoax> mattrae: yeah you would need to create an ssh key on the maas server, and and add the public one to the libvirt server so that maas connectes without authentication
[22:15] <mattrae> roaksoax: sweet, do you know where i'd need to put that private key for maas to use it?
[22:18] <roaksoax> mattrae: good question, I *think* you'd need to make the maas user have it
[22:18] <roaksoax> mattrae: but it doesn't have a home by default, so you;ll need to enable it
[22:18] <mattrae> roaksoax: cool, i'll play with that.. i can add a homedir for the maas user
[22:19] <roaksoax> mattrae: yeah you'll need to enable the user login, so you can sudo su into it
[22:22] <mattrae> roaksoax: sweet thanks, ill try it out :)
[22:24] <roaksoax> mattrae: cool :) let me know how it goes
[22:47] <mattrae> roaksoax: ok, it works :) i had to install libvirt-bin on the maas node to get virsh.. and then just needed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and Power ID
[22:47] <mattrae> oh and i had to add the home directory and key for the maas user, and add the key to root's authorized_keys on the libvirt server
[22:49] <roaksoax> mattrae: cool :)


[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg> please remove ldc and its reverse-deps from ppc64el, upstream doesn't want to support that architecture, and Debian asked to remove them too https://github.com/ldc-developers/ldc/issues/2824
[07:26] <gitbot> ldc-developers issue 2824 in ldc "Fails to build from source on ppc64el" [Open]
[07:43] <acheronuk> anyone looking at the r-cran-rgenoud test regression with glibc? not sure what the issue is there. it's been too many years now since I did r type things, and I never used r even then
[07:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.93.5]
[07:44]  * acheronuk shudders at the memory of finite element in fortran!
[08:26] <ginggs> acheronuk: I did have a quick look, they seem to do the same calculation with and without a seed. https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-rgenoud/blob/master/tests/testthat/test-genoud_fixed_seed.R#L92 https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-rgenoud/blob/master/tests/testthat/test-genoud_no_given_seed.R#L84
[08:27] <ginggs> with the new glibc, the results without a given seed are now closer to the old results with a seed
[08:30] <ginggs> acheronuk: so adjusting the tolerance there might be safe, but it concerns me that the result only changed on amd64 and armhf
[08:30] <ginggs> infinity: do you have any thoughts ^ ?  Is this expected?
[08:30] <acheronuk> indeed
[08:54] <LocutusOfBorg> btw with the new ldc we finally gained full arm64 support, while reverse-deps never really worked / compiled on ppc64el
[10:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: llvm-toolchain-snapshot [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:8~svn340819-1] (no packageset)
[10:17] <mwhudson> acheronuk, ginggs: i've spent far to long poking at r-cran-rgenoud and have nfi what's going on
[10:18] <mwhudson> it doesn't even call that many libc functions in its core loop
[10:42] <ginggs> mwhudson, acheronuk: did either of you find a repo or bug tracker for r-cran-rgenoud?
[10:42] <mwhudson> ginggs: no
[10:42] <acheronuk> ginggs: seems like a one man thing to me
[10:43] <mwhudson> it also has no rdeps so i hope some AA deletes it before i waste too much more time on it
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> folks, please ignore symfony tests on armhf and s390x, they always failed, I did ignore test results because of deprecation warnings, and they started passing because of this reason... when I discovered that it was too late
[10:53] <acheronuk> looks like the unseeded run is wrongly finding the max from the seeded one? fun
[10:57] <acheronuk> ginggs: authors github? https://github.com/JasjeetSekhon/rgenoud
[10:57] <acheronuk> 2 commits and out of date!
[11:05] <ginggs> acheronuk: thanks, i couldn't find anything.  i'll drop them an email
[11:11] <ginggs> the unseeded version just seems to pick a random number between 1 and 2^31 to use as a seed https://salsa.debian.org/r-pkg-team/r-cran-rgenoud/blob/master/R/rgenoud.R#L20 but all the failed tests fail with the same result
[12:17] <acheronuk> fun that running unseeded in R locally with old glib mostly gives the same answer, but occasionally it does a swerve and finds one of the other maxima!
[12:20] <acheronuk> so not sure I believe this is a hugely reliable test to start with
[12:22] <acheronuk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f3vtTNcw5t/ vs https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mNqrRK2YXs/
[12:23] <acheronuk> ^^ 2 following runs
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rax-nova-agent (xenial-proposed/universe) [2.1.15-0ubuntu1~16.04.0 => 2.1.15-0ubuntu1~16.04.1] (no packageset)
[12:43] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, hello, can you please ack/nack libapache-session-perl sync/merge? (I mean, is this add-recommended-packages change still needed now that Debian has autopkgtests? they even dropped debian/test/control in the last upload... )
[12:44] <LocutusOfBorg> you did some of that perl changes, I'm merging them but I don't really know how to check if the bug is fixed or not... (and we have no ongoing perl transition fortunately)
[12:44] <cjwatson> I'd rather it be merged, but the worst case if you sync it is that somebody will have to reinvent the same thing for the next perl transition
[12:44] <cjwatson> so I don't care very deeply
[12:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: llvm-toolchain-snapshot [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:8~svn340819-1] (no packageset)
[13:07] <LocutusOfBorg> so cjwatson reintroduce that file and that's all?
[13:08] <cjwatson> Sorry, I don't remember and am in the middle of two other things right now
[13:08] <cjwatson> If it's a difficult merge due to the underlying file not existing any more, then just sync instead and we can sort it out later
[13:08] <cjwatson> (if necessary)
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> -Depends: @, pkg-perl-autopkgtest, libdbi-perl
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> +Depends: @, pkg-perl-autopkgtest, libcgi-pm-perl, libdbi-perl
[13:09] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the patch, in debian/test/control, but that file is now removed
[13:10] <cjwatson> Just drop it and sync then
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> it is recommended in the libapache-session-perl package, so maybe we can teach autopkgtest for perl to install recommends by default?
[13:10] <cjwatson> It was a subtle problem and it's possible it's been fixed; if it hasn't then we'll likely need to fix it somewhere else anyway
[13:10] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe debian did that...
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg>   [ gregor herrmann ]
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg>   * Remove debian/tests/control; add libdbi-perl to Recommends.
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> the reason for adding libdbi-perl to recommends is similar, so maybe this is really already fixed
[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> in case we break on next perl transition, we will have a lot of "ubuntu1" previous packages in release, and we can quickly notice of the dropped delta, lets sync
[13:12] <cjwatson> ack
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.34.2 => 2.35.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.34.2+18.04 => 2.35.1+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.34.2~14.04 => 2.35.1~14.04] (no packageset)
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: llvm-toolchain-snapshot [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:8~svn340819-1] (no packageset)
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, do you like the new diaspora-installer autopkgtest?
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> I can't in pbuilder environment install the package, not sure why
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/d/diaspora-installer/cosmic/amd64
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> but it seems good, I'm tempted to remove the block
[22:20] <mwhudson> hmm
[22:21] <tsimonq2> hmm
[22:22] <acheronuk> hmm
[22:22] <mwhudson> looking at twisted/foolscap/txtorcon
[22:22] <mwhudson> current situation is that there's a txtorcon in proposed that does not build a python 2 package
[22:22] <mwhudson> but a previous upload built a totally broken one
[22:23] <mwhudson> i _guess_ the thing to do is remove the broken one and upload a txtorcon-for-python-2 source package that is the old txtorcon source
[22:23] <mwhudson> but all this requires an AA to sort out
[22:26] <mwhudson> well unless txtorcon-for-python-2 gets a ridiculous dishonest version i guess but well


[13:14] <nammn_de> stickupkid: mind having a quick look? https://github.com/juju/charm/pull/298 This now should fix the unit tests on most occasions
[15:10] <nammn_de> stickupkid?
[15:10] <nammn_de> *: I added some tests as you metnioned
[15:11] <nammn_de> could you take a look again?
[15:11] <stickupkid> nammn_de, done :D
[15:12] <nammn_de> stickupkid: ha, thanks! I was struggling to find a good way to test the timeout
[15:12] <stickupkid> yeah, i thought you might, but it was worth seeing if it was possible
[15:12] <nammn_de> In the end I let the context be a parameter
[15:12] <nammn_de> because i was struggling to either "mock" the context and/or command
[16:15] <stickupkid> anyone know how to get the controller name?
[16:15] <stickupkid> from state?
[16:16] <stickupkid> achilleasa, ?
[16:27] <achilleasa> stickupkid: you mean the alias used by the client?
[16:28] <stickupkid> ho quickly? achilleasa
[16:28] <achilleasa> omw
[18:22] <rick_h> doh he's gone
[18:23] <rick_h> achilleasa:  heads up that a controller name tracked as config is on the roadmap for 20.04


[00:27] <hyc> wgrant: thanks
[00:28] <hyc> yes, I tried several times, waited 10-15 minutes between tries, etc.
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: do you think there is an outage?
[00:45] <wgrant> lifeless: I don't.
[00:55] <kklimonda> heh, new T400 costs $600 and the motherboard for my T61 is $300.. life is such a bi***
[00:55] <wgrant> That's a cheap T400.
[01:03] <wgrant> Impressive. An US T400 is AUD1000 cheaper than an identically specced AU one.
[01:05] <hyc> I've just spent $120 and $150 respectively on two new LCD panels for my laptop
[01:05] <hyc> 15.4" WUXGA
[01:05] <hyc> because none of the new laptop models seem to be available in 15.4" any more
[01:06] <wgrant> T500?
[01:06] <hyc> also, AMD CPU...
[01:06] <hyc> I'm still avoiding Intel
[01:06] <wgrant> Ah.
[01:07] <hyc> unfortunately I haven't yet got any working modelines/timings for this display.
[01:07] <hyc> and it's possible that I damaged the LCD cable; waiting for a new one at the momet.
[01:07] <hyc> the joys of DIY upgrades
[01:11] <hyc> life would be easier if we had open source BIOSes
[01:11] <hyc> then I could just find the source and reflash the correct values
[01:12] <lifeless> hyc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coreboot
[01:13] <hyc> yeah
[01:13] <hyc> not enough support on current laptops
[02:13] <Sjors> Hi
[02:13] <Sjors> I was reading about Launchpad Translations
[02:13] <Sjors> Is it possible to use that with a project hosted on Sourceforge?
[02:19] <RenatoSilva> I think so
[02:21] <beuno> Sjors, sure, just use Launchpad for translations
[02:24] <Sjors> ok great, I'll pass the idea on to the rest of the team, see what they think
[02:25] <Sjors> thanks :)
[04:31] <MsMaco> is it possible in the bug advanced search to look for bugs a certain person *hasn't* commented on?
[04:31] <wgrant> MsMaco: No.
[04:31] <MsMaco> boo
[04:32] <wgrant> Although you could use the API to get a list of all bugs, and then do a set subtraction...
[04:32] <MsMaco> how about bugs with no comments?
[04:32] <wgrant> You could order the results by number of comments ascending.
[04:32] <MsMaco> i want to find audio bugs that dan hasn't commented on. i tried -crimsun in the Commenter field, but LP got unhappy :P
[04:32] <MsMaco> :-/ i want the newest ones too though
[04:40] <dtchen> err
[04:40] <dtchen> "audio bugs that dan hasn't commented on" is a very, very big set
[04:41] <wgrant> That sounds like a bug.
[04:41] <dtchen> I'm already subscribed to the common ones by virtue of being in ~ubunut-audio-team
[04:41] <dtchen> ubuntu*
[04:41] <dtchen> however, it's the wacky ones like the libao-pulse that are slipping through the cracks
[04:41] <dtchen> you pretty much have to read ubuntu-bugs to get those
[04:46] <MsMaco> well i wanted to get new bugs (say in the last week) with the word "sound" in them that you haven't commented on
[04:46] <MsMaco> but yeah, sounds like i need to go learn python :(
[08:14] <TheNetrix> whats this place for?
[08:15] <wgrant> TheNetrix: Mostly support for Launchpad.net
[08:16] <TheNetrix> Oops, Im in the wrong place
[08:16] <TheNetrix> sori
[10:46] <A4Tech> All greetings. At the launchpad, you can create a project that only I could download and update?
[10:47] <mwhudson> A4Tech: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/208
[10:50] <A4Tech> mwhudson thx :)
[15:20] <nachiket> Hello, I need help with permission during installation of a source package
[15:27] <maxb> nachiket: It sounds like you have an Ubuntu packaging issue, rather than a Launchpad issue. If that is the case, #ubuntu-motu is a more suitable place to ask.
[15:28] <nachiket> I was refereed here by Launchpad's help system.. I am trying to use Launchpad to build a package
[15:29] <Krystof> mwhudson: I did not expect to see you here
[15:29] <maxb> nachiket: You should explain in more detail what the problem is - your initial question didn't sound like that at all.
[15:30] <Krystof> (what I actually came here to ask was: how long should I wait for a response to a message sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>before I should start wondering whether it's got lost in the mail?)
[15:30] <nachiket> sorry, I have a package that compiles fine locally on my machine.. When I try to compile the package after uploading to Launchpad I get errors relating to permissions
[15:31] <nachiket> "make install" command in my rules file fails as it is trying to write into /usr/local directory
[15:32] <maxb> Right, that's definitely a bug in your package's source, so I think it falls more into #ubuntu-motu territory
[15:32] <nachiket> ok i'll ask there
[15:33] <maxb> Krystof: I'd suggest you ask here on a weekday
[15:53] <sageNsand> On my bug report is there a way to close it. Someone posted a link that I think is rouge. I took the page private, but would like to delete it
[15:54] <Goundy> sageNsand sorry for this off topic but what does "rouge" means ? :p
[15:56] <sageNsand> the link won't open in firefox but when you paste it in internet explorer it wants to open a .exe in VLC
[15:57] <sageNsand> read post 8 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/418790
[15:58] <sageNsand> "http://res1.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/Windows%207/Main/5/5/55191799-c851-4ca4-8d17-ed9bd33b2652/55191799-c851-4ca4-8d17-ed9bd33b2652.wmv".
[16:00] <sageNsand> In Vista I get a security popup dialog and you can see the extension has a .exe
[16:09] <sageNsand> This is an old bug report when karmic testing and I would like to let it die in the 60 days time so I need to stop someone from posting. How do I do that?
[16:11] <sageNsand> I thought there might be a option under Status
[16:28] <Sjors> sageNsand, Goundy: he probably meant rogue
[16:29] <Goundy> Sjors thank you :p
[16:30] <andrea-bs> sageNsand, you should ask an administrator to delete that comment. You can do this opening a question on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:46] <mwhudson> Krystof: why not?
[19:08] <eday> Hi! I upgraded to 2.0.1 on both my Ubuntu and OpenSolaris machines, and when doing a fresh 'bzr branch lp:drizzle', I get a timeout after about two hours. I've tried both paramiko and openssh. Thoughts?  http://pastebin.com/m33fb7882
[19:09] <eday> For most of the time, it just sits at:  [#########|          ]    188KB     1KB/s | Fetching revisions:Get stream sourc
[19:12] <NoCode> Are keyservers down?
[19:12] <NoCode> If so, when will they be back up?
[19:14] <maxb> NoCode: Try pool.sks-keyservers.net
[19:20] <NoCode> maxb: So, how am I supposed to get a ppa key from there?
[19:23] <maxb> NoCode: just search for it by name or fingerprint?
[19:32] <mwhudson> eday: are you branching into a shared repo?
[19:32] <mwhudson> eday: if so, make sure it's the same format as the remote branch
[19:33] <eday> mwhudson: I am, using 2a format (default)
[19:33] <eday> mwhudson: ok, lemme try 1.9
[19:33] <mwhudson> i suspect that will go much better
[19:34] <Krystof> mwhudson: I don't think I'd spotted that you were a canonical employee
[19:34] <Krystof> so I had a slight blast-from-the-past moment
[19:34] <mwhudson> Krystof: ah :)
[19:35] <eday> mwhudson: ahh, yes. there it goes. I thought you could use a local 2a repo? Is that a bug or intended?
[19:35] <mwhudson> Krystof: i also now live in nz ...
[19:35] <Krystof> see, I didn't know that either.  There was me expecting you to be awake in daylight GMT
[19:42] <maxb> eday: Also remember that 2a is rich-root
[19:51] <dhillon-v10> hi all, I am trying to get the launchpad-gm scripted to work but no luck, I installed them but when I open up a bug, the stock replies script isn't working
[20:41] <moradan> hello, point me please with a description of how can I organize translation of some documentation which is in xml with launchpad. I have not created a project yet - and if it would be created it will only be using for translation. (The project is a very specialized part of GNU and is under GPL so I think there should be no problems with working on it with launchpad).
[20:45] <moradan> sorry I was disconnected and haven't seen answers I any - please repeat (maybe personally)
[21:09] <lifeless> moradan: we only support gettext - .pot/.po based translation
[21:09] <lifeless> if you want an xml based system, you'd need to write a xml->.pot, and .po->xml translators
[21:10] <moradan> I thought there are some workarounds....
[21:10] <lifeless> not that I know of; but I'm not a translations developer
[21:11] <lifeless> in a few hours jtv will be around, he will know if anyone does
[21:12] <moradan> these files are from some other automating system - maybe there are some ways to convert in/from .po
[21:12] <moradan> thanks
[21:21] <merma> is there a way to change my launchpad username?
[21:31] <lifeless> merma: on your user page
[21:58] <lfaraone> rockstar: if we import bugs from trac into launchpad, how do we handle the user migration?
[22:01] <rockstar> lfaraone, what do you mean by user migration?
[22:04] <lfaraone> rockstar: how will users who had trac accounts but not launchpad accounts go about logging in to launchpad?
[22:05] <rockstar> lfaraone, they'll have to create launchpad accounts.
[22:07] <lfaraone> rockstar: okay. how do we tie their previous comments to their new account etc?
[22:08] <lifeless> if they had email info in trac
[22:08] <lifeless> we can have a placeholder for them
[22:09] <lifeless> as long as trac exports that, of course
[22:09] <rockstar> ...what lifeless said.
[22:09] <rockstar> Then you just make sure your launchpad account is tied to that email address.
[22:10] <lfaraone> Okay.
[22:11] <lfaraone> lifeless, rockstar, is there anything we can do with redirects or something to ensure our bug number URLs don't break?
[22:11] <lifeless> get the import into lp done
[22:11] <lifeless> then build an apache mapping table with mod_redirect
[22:12] <lfaraone> lifeless: okay, will the person who does the import be able to give us the new bug numbers?
[22:13] <lifeless> lfaraone: I'd expect so; if you ask for it we can make sure it happens
[22:16] <wgrant> lfaraone: One way it is often done is to give the LP bugs nicknames like 'project1234' which identify their numbers on the old bug tracker. Then you just have to redirect from http://url.to/old/bugs/1234 to https://launchpad.net/bugs/project1234, and LP will do the redirect to the new number.
[22:17] <lfaraone> lifeless: Okay. Kiko mentioned that CNAME support is eventually going to be implemented for branded subdomains. (ie "bugs.sugarlabs.org") When this happens, would you be able to add the redirect on your side?
[22:17] <lfaraone> wgrant: ah, mk. can we specify that in the import, or do we have to do that manually?
[22:18] <wgrant> lfaraone: It's normally done as part of the import, but I don't quite know how.
[22:19] <lifeless> lfaraone: I can't comment on branded subdomains - I'm not familiar with the plan there
[22:33] <lfaraone> lifeless: understood.
[23:20] <MTecknology> Is it possible to have the ubuntu-drupal-openid project reactivated?
[23:22] <thumper> MTecknology: anything is possible with enough time and caffeine
[23:23] <MTecknology> thumper: Would you be the one that is hyped up on caffeine that will help me?
[23:23] <thumper> MTecknology: what is the rationale for reactivating?
[23:24] <thumper> MTecknology: do you know why it was deactivated?
[23:24] <MTecknology> thumper: It was requested - by me
[23:24] <MTecknology> thumper: I want to take all these branches and assign it to the project  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-openid-devs
[23:25] <wgrant> That's not a project.
[23:25] <wgrant> Oh, other way around. I see.
[23:27] <MTecknology> I can create a new one too - that's not a big deal at all
[23:27] <thumper> MTecknology: using the API? As there isn't a way to move branches between projects on the UI right now
[23:28] <MTecknology> oh - I thought there way
[23:28] <maxb> LP seems slightly confused about having branches for a disabled project :-)
[23:28] <thumper> MTecknology: there used to be
[23:28] <MTecknology> maxb: It's because they still exist and are fully functional
[23:29] <thumper> MTecknology: but it got temporarily removed due to package branches
[23:29] <thumper> and we haven't yet come up with a good ui
[23:29] <MTecknology> oh-oh
[23:29] <thumper> I need to get a hacky one up
[23:29] <MTecknology> I deleted a branch that I need to exist.....
[23:29] <thumper> MTecknology: active again
[23:30] <MTecknology> thumper: thanks :)
[23:30] <thumper> MTecknology: np
[23:30] <MTecknology> I hope they do a push before realizing the branch is gone :S
[23:30] <thumper> MTecknology: there is a method on the branch object called "setTarget", this can take a project
[23:31] <thumper> MTecknology: :)
[23:31] <MTecknology> thumper: I wasn't smart and trashed 2 branches...
[23:31] <thumper> MTecknology: oops
[23:32] <thumper> MTecknology: and I take it you don't have copies?
[23:32] <MTecknology> thumper: not me - but somebody else does
[23:32] <MTecknology> thumper: I guess jsut bzr push will correct it
[23:32] <thumper> MTecknology: we don't actually remove the branch off disk for a week
[23:32] <thumper> MTecknology: a push will
[23:32] <thumper> MTecknology: but it won't have the same subscribers or links
[23:33] <MTecknology> thumper: could you push them? :D
[23:33] <MTecknology> thumper: or correct, or idk
[23:33] <thumper> I don't have access to the filestore directly
[23:33] <thumper> it would need a LOSA
[23:33] <MTecknology> oh, ok
[23:42] <RenatoSilva> Why does ubuntu still have that brown look? Is there any bug registered for implementing a better theme like a blue/white look?
[23:47] <spiv> RenatoSilva: go to System->Preferences->Appearance and choose a theme that you like
[23:48] <spiv> I personally like the brown look.
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> second channel to not actually answer the question
[23:48] <mwhudson> RenatoSilva: was the first as inappropriate as this one?
[23:49] <RenatoSilva> I already did a long time ago, I've erased the brown from Ubuntu a long time ago, but Karmic brought it back :(
[23:49] <RenatoSilva> mwhudson: I mean, I'm just curious why sabdfl or whoever "still keeps ubuntu brown"
[23:50] <spiv> Well, considering "blue/white" to be "better" than "brown" is pretty clearly a subjective matter of taste, and it's not really on topic for this channel anyway, so I think my answer was appropriate enough ;)
[23:50] <wgrant> I quite like the brown, and I believe sabdfl said that it certainly wouldn't be going blue any time soon.
[23:50] <wgrant> and this channel is completely the wrong place to ask.
[23:50] <RenatoSilva> spiv: I'm trying to find the appropriate channel to ask this
[23:50] <wgrant> One related to Ubuntu would be a good start.
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> they don't answer, I guess there's no developer there, they don't know why ubuntu is brown
[23:51] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: #ubuntu-desktop
[23:51] <lifeless> and/or the ayatana mailing list
[23:53] <RenatoSilva> I think I would not think about this if Karmic didn't remove my login screen without option to customize again (it seems). Anyway, I don't really mean it should not be brown, I'm just curious for the reason.
[23:59] <RenatoSilva> lifeless: thanks


[10:13] <Kidman1670> hello
[15:25] <qsic1551> Hi, what's the best way to remote desktop from Windows 10 to Lubuntu 18.10?
[15:26] <apt-ghetto> PuTTy
[15:41] <jaggiJ> qsic1551: real-vnc-viewer on host, real-vnc-server running on remote -  free and working access to desktop through cloud and also directly
[15:48] <qsic1551> is there a way to use the Windows built in remote desktop?
[15:50] <apt-ghetto> What is the goal of this "exercise"?
[15:55] <qsic1551> I have a mini pc running Lubuntu, I want to play with nginx on it, I would like to run it without a monitor, keyboard or mouse
[15:57] <apt-ghetto> For playing around, you should set up a virtual machine with Virtualbox or VmWare
[15:58] <apt-ghetto> Then you should start with the right distribution, namely ubuntu server instead of lubuntu
[15:59] <qsic1551> does ubuntu server have a gui desktop?
[15:59] <apt-ghetto> of course the server does not have a gui
[15:59] <apt-ghetto> if you need a server with gui, you should look at Windows server 2016
[16:00] <qsic1551> I thought not, so all setup would be through SSH?
[16:00] <apt-ghetto> yes, that is the normal way to do it
[16:01] <qsic1551> OK, thanks for your advice, I will try Ubuntu Server in Virtualbox, thanks
[16:01] <apt-ghetto> setting up a server consists of entering commands and editing files
[16:01] <apt-ghetto> and for that, you do not need a gui
[16:02] <apt-ghetto> and no gui means, more resources to use
[16:02] <apt-ghetto> and less security problems
[16:03] <qsic1551> would you say 18.04 LTS is the best one to go for?
[16:04] <apt-ghetto> yes, 18.04 is good to start and will be supported until april 2023
[16:05] <qsic1551> ok, thanks
[16:07] <apt-ghetto> when you set up the vm, you should use NAT for the network card
[16:08] <apt-ghetto> then you have to find out the ip address of your virtual machine
[16:12] <qsic1551> Can you recommend any good website tutorials?
[16:14] <apt-ghetto> For what exactly? nginx?
[16:17] <qsic1551> yes, nginx on Ubuntu server...
[16:19] <apt-ghetto> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-setup-the-nginx-web-server-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[16:20] <apt-ghetto> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-nginx-on-ubuntu-18-04
[16:21] <qsic1551> ok, I will give them a try, thanks for the help
[16:21] <apt-ghetto> yes, learning by doing is the way to go
 Hello All!
[20:05] <diogenes_> heelo


[01:03] <mparillo> Looks like Plasma 5.22.3 is landing in II as well, but is not all there yet. No immediate breakage.
 so far so good on me .. (re @RikMills: https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1412481928910024705)
[12:23] <mparillo> More (looks like the rest) of Plasma 5.22.3 landed in II. System Settings, Discover, FF, Kinfocenter, Kate, Konsole, and the new Performance Monitor all passed the 30-second test.
[13:32] <RikMills> mparillo: thanks :)
[14:16] <BluesKaj> Hi all


[11:01] <ckopn> I have problem with Bluetooth.  I have to do second reconnect my headphones to make sound clear.
[11:01] <ckopn> ON the fisrt connection it hears like 16kbs mp3 bitrate
[11:02] <ckopn> but on the second everything is ok


[14:25] <cmaloney> morning
[14:26] <_stink_> yo
[14:45] <cmaloney> How goes?
[17:03] <_stink_> haven't left the house for 3 days
[17:03] <_stink_> not sure if good or bad
[17:03] <_stink_> you?
[17:03] <cmaloney> WEll, we're going grocery shopping in a few
[17:03] <cmaloney> so, yay? :)
[17:04] <_stink_> so you're saying i should rush over and meet you? :P
[17:04] <_stink_> i have to go tonight probably
[17:04] <_stink_> as always, we need milk.
[17:05] <cmaloney> heh


[00:10] <onewanman> anyone able to get flash working in Ubuntu 13.04?
[00:11] <MarconM> onewanman, chromium
[00:11] <MarconM> =D
[00:12] <onewanman> Firefox: Chromium: and Chrome Beat I have tried all of them for more that 5 hours ever ran al the patches
[00:12] <onewanman> Chromium launches and then goes away after 4 sec
[00:14] <onewanman> Marconm: Firefox 21 Ubuntu 13.04 up-grade from 12.10
[00:14] <MarconM> yes
[00:15] <onewanman> should i keep trying  google search to find a solution "shockwave crashed Firefox ver 21
[09:50] <shadeslayer> ogra_: progress [+3.79s] DEBUG: Greeter start authentication for guest account
[10:52] <Richiie_> ?
[13:31] <valbrg> Hey guys, does anybody know what happened to vmlinux after building the sources? In current revisions it seems to be deleted during the build process.
[13:45] <blixa> how hard is it to install touch to a standard x86 system?
[14:14] <mhall119> fginther: ping
[14:16] <mhall119> fginther: the terminl-app's plugin package is building on raring, but failing on quantal do to missing dependencies
[14:16] <mhall119> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/ubuntu-terminal-app-plugin-quantal-amd64-autolanding/1/console
[14:17] <mhall119> same PPA though, which depends on the qt5-proper PPA
[14:17] <mhall119> so why should it work for raring but not for quantal?
[14:36] <mhall119> bobweaver: am I crazy, or do I remember you having done something with Box2D several months ago?
[14:39] <dobey> anyone know where the Qt equivalents of g_get_user_cache_dir() g_get_user_config_dir() etc… would be?
[14:53] <elvito> Hi guys I have made some amendments to my port of Ubuntu Touch on the LGP880 and it done shut down anymore however it never gets to showing the system (stays blank): last_kmsg is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5619372/
[14:53] <elvito> hopefully someone can understand this stuff. I know only enough to follow the porting guide
[14:54] <mhall119> dobey: can you use env vars?
[14:56] <elvito> Also I am able to get into ubuntu_chroot shell but only for a small amount of time because the device always remounts on my computer with a message that it cant mount the MTP device... any help would be appreciated
[14:57] <dobey> mhall119: yes and no. i'd rather not have to re-implement the xdg base directory spec in C++/Qt. it's certainly possible, but i'd prefer to avoid doing so.
[14:57] <mhall119> dobey: I'm sure there's something that exists, for KDE apps anyway
[14:57] <mhall119> but a quick google didn't turn up anything
[15:03] <dobey> ah. more searching and i've found QStandardPaths which looks like it does it *phew*
[15:45] <mhall119> popey: is fginther in Oakland with you?
[15:48] <popey> mhall119: yes
[15:48] <mhall119> popey: buy him a beer for me :)
[15:48] <popey> OK!
[15:56] <fginther> mhall119, I've updated the jenkins job and re-approved the job.
[16:01] <mhall119> fginther: thanks, any idea what the issue was?
[16:05] <fginther> mhall119, it was just a missing PPA. In order to keep build times low, we try to not add PPAs to the build unless they are needed and don't always get this right in the beginning
[16:05] <fginther> mhall119, the build worked this time
[16:10] <mhall119> fginther: do you know why there's a version number difference here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+packages
[16:10] <mhall119> oh wiat, that's 10, not 1
[16:10] <mhall119> nevermind
[16:10] <fginther> mhall119, :-)
[16:11] <mhall119> reading comprehension, ftw
[16:28] <mhall119> ZDmitry: your konsole plugin is building properly now
[16:28] <mhall119> which means we can land the associated changes to the ubuntu-terminal-app trunk
[16:28] <Oranger> kaleo: Ping !
[16:29] <mhall119> ZDmitry: can you make a merge proposal from https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/ubuntu-terminal-app to do that?
[17:22] <stgraber> slangasek, lool: Updated version of the spec is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades/Mobile/New I'm still busy writing some of the bits, I'll then move it over the current version
[17:37] <slangasek> stgraber: great, thanks
[17:45] <johnjohn101> when would be a good time to buy a tablet and start checking this release out?
[18:33] <elvito> I need some help in finding out why Ubuntu Touch lockscreen dont come up and stays blank after boot... my logcat shows this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5619997/
[18:33] <elvito> This is an LG Optimus 4xHD running the Ubuntu Touch (well if it would show a screen)
[18:55] <GooUser> I cant seem to find a toroplus build for UTouch. on ubuntus cdimage site. Is there any such thing?
[19:03] <mhall119> kaleo: when my app is rotated to landscape, I can't access the toolbar.  Is this because the "bottom" of the app is now also the "left" of the shell, and it's competing with the Launcher?
[19:10] <kkszysiu> Hello :)
[19:10] <kkszysiu> rsalveti, morphis could you explain me or redirect me to some info how you use libhybris in ubuntu touch?
[19:21] <matzipan>  rsalveti, sergiusens, ricmm or bfiller ... any of you around?
[19:21] <bfiller> matzipan: yes
[19:21] <bfiller> what's up
[19:22] <matzipan> bfiller: can you explain to me what's dangerous about https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa ?
[19:22] <matzipan> i need it to build mediaplayer-app
[19:22] <matzipan> what should I avoid doing while playing with it?
[19:23] <bfiller> matzipan: you don't want to install the unity or indicators from it as it will break your desktop
[19:23] <matzipan> network-manager... pulseaudio?
[19:23] <bfiller> matzipan: right those too
[19:23] <matzipan> so i'm just gonna grab my dependencies and then disable it
[19:23] <bfiller> matzipan: don't dist-upgrade with that in your sources.list
[19:23] <bfiller> matzipan: yes
[19:23] <matzipan> ok perfect
[19:23] <matzipan> thanks
[19:24] <bfiller> matzipan: also note - there is a new ppa you'll need if you're trying to biuld from trunk
[19:24] <matzipan> bfiller: which on
[19:24] <bfiller> matzipan: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next
[19:25] <bfiller> matzipan: this one is used now along with phablet-team ppa, eventually both will go away when everything lands in "s" series
[19:25] <matzipan> bfiller: then someone should https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/desktop-deps
[19:25] <matzipan> remove this
[19:25] <matzipan> from phablet-team deps
[19:25] <bfiller> looking
[19:26] <matzipan> oh no, it's not the same thing
[19:26] <matzipan> apparently
[19:27] <bfiller> it's different
[19:27] <bfiller> latest images are pulling from phablet-team/ppa and ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next ppas (as well as some others). you can see the sources.list.d entries in the images to see complete list
[19:28] <matzipan> okay
[19:32] <sergiusens> matzipan: avoid mountall
[19:41] <AndroUser> Hi folks
[20:02] <hans> How to start port to Lenovo Thinkpad X200 Tablet PC?
[20:02] <kaleo> mhall119: exactly, the shell is not rotating yet
[20:02] <kaleo> mhall119: when it does it will fix that
[20:18] <ZDmitry> mhall119:  Sorry for delay. I'll make a merge proposal. But would it better to pull latest changes (I almost finished with settings tab) or just merge current revision?
[20:33] <mhall119> ZDmitry: put your latest and I'll try them out before approving it
[20:34] <mhall119> kaleo: cool, thanks
[20:43] <morphis> kkszysiu: it's used already by default
[20:45] <kkszysiu> morphis: I know but how? Whats youre wrapping using hybris?
[20:45] <kkszysiu> GPU access?
[20:45] <kkszysiu> camera?
[21:06] <ZDmitry> mhall119: added latest revision - https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/configs-tab
[21:14] <morphis> kkszysiu: a lot, GPU, camera, audio, sensors, ....
[21:26] <mhall119> thanks ZDmitry
[21:28] <ZDmitry> mhall119: no problem
[21:41] <JoseeAntonioR> Hey, guys. I'd like to know, where can I find a list of already ported devices?
[21:47] <greyback> JoseeAntonioR: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[22:22] <bobweaver> is anyone good with x11 settings ?
[22:23] <Bassy> Maybe a dumb question but has anyone successfully installed UT on a GS3
[22:23] <Bassy> ??
[22:24] <bobweaver> I want to have a virtual machine that I have be the same size as my nexus 7. the VM is Ubuntu Touch with minimal stuff installed on it (started with ubuntu min) I want t so when I open the vm it is the same size as my nexus 7.
[22:25] <bobweaver> I also need to set up auto login and also a upstart or init script to start unity-next
[22:25] <bobweaver> but x11 is first
[22:27] <Bassy> Anyone installed ubuntu touch on galaxy s3??
[22:27] <bobweaver> i have not Bassy  sorry
[22:28] <Bassy> I really want it lol
[22:29] <bobweaver> Bassy,  you have tried it on a VM ?
[22:29] <bobweaver> and checked the porting list on xda or where ever it is
[22:30] <Bassy> No and no .. do you have links?
[22:31] <ogra_> !devices
[22:32] <Bassy> Thanks .. and ive seen a guy thats done it .. gunna check his guide out
[22:34] <bobweaver> Hi ogra_ you know anything about x11 config settings ?
[22:35] <Bassy> Ok could someone explain the difference between the VZ SGS3 and the i9300 SGS3 ??
[23:03] <ogra_> bobweaver, well, nothing off the top of my head ... i know how to read manpages though ...
[23:07] <bobweaver> good point ogra_
[23:07]  * bobweaver feels silly
[23:07] <issackelly> I just got the default image installed. Does it happen to have an ssh shell?
[23:07] <bobweaver> I am so close to getting unity 2d on qt5 and then will be able to have all the things that I need
[23:08] <bobweaver> issackelly,  adb ? maybe you can install server / client I dont know I use adb
[23:10] <issackelly> bobweaver oh interesting, I guess I don't totally get the relationship between ubuntu + Android
[23:10] <bobweaver> issackelly,  what do you need ssh for ?
[23:11] <issackelly> I wanted to examine settings that aren't available in the interface
[23:11] <issackelly> (what's my ip settings)
[23:11] <bobweaver> ahh
[23:11] <bobweaver> is it connected via usb ?
[23:11] <issackelly> not anymore
[23:11] <bobweaver> adb shell
[23:11] <bobweaver> that will drop to shell ^^
[23:11] <issackelly> I've done the jump and tried to use it as my primary devices
[23:12] <issackelly> but it feels like it's more like a trade show display device, lots of data that's not mine
[23:12] <issackelly> I can receive but I don't think send SMS
[23:12] <bobweaver> issackelly,  correct that is what it is
[23:13] <issackelly> is anybody using it as their primary device?
[23:13] <bobweaver> issackelly, connect device and see if it is there on host computer (not device) run adb devices  this will give a list of things attached then you can run adb shell  this is like running ssh name@host
[23:14] <bobweaver> well kinda
[23:14] <issackelly> yeah, cool thanks
[23:14] <bobweaver> issackelly,  http://developer.android.com/tools/help/adb.html
[23:14] <issackelly> serial terminal, or sort of serial terminal over some TCP host
[23:14] <issackelly> or something :)
[23:15] <issackelly> So, it is probably a bit too much to consider running it as a primary device right now maybe
[23:15] <Azrael_God> Hello all!  Has anyone gotten the UTouch OS on a Windows 8 tab?
[23:16] <bobweaver> correct issackelly  unless you want to hack it till it is what you need. I think that is how a lot of opensource software is started (I could be wrong) kinda new to this myself only been coding for 2 to 3 years
[23:16] <bobweaver> If I could just get stupid dconf-qt to compile to qt5 !!!!
[23:16] <issackelly> bobweaver yeah, I'm more or less willing to do that, I just need a couple more core components to work :)
[23:17] <bobweaver> issackelly,  you can google "qml google voice" there are apps that use wifi and google voice like tapatalk but qml
[23:18] <bobweaver> issackelly,  as long as the libs are installed on device (qt ones ) he app will run
[23:19] <bobweaver> issackelly,  I have not used it but you might like to look at "qgvdial"
[23:19] <bobweaver> issackelly,  https://code.google.com/p/qgvdial/
[23:19] <issackelly> bobweaver so, this is a stupid question, but does it have any cabapility of running ADKs?
[23:19] <issackelly> or android apps, I mean
[23:19] <Fishscene> I'm not sure if anyone here knows, but is Cononical still on track for an Ubuntu phone in October-ish? Or is there some website that is keeping track of development and progress?
[23:20] <bobweaver> issackelly,  Not sure never tried adb install this.qpk
[23:20] <bobweaver> s|qpk|apk
[23:21] <bobweaver> issackelly,  I will try it
[23:23] <bobweaver> issackelly,  no deals
[23:23] <bobweaver> ~/Desktop$ adb install Terminal\ Emulator_1.0.52.apk
[23:23] <bobweaver> 944 KB/s (400941 bytes in 0.414s)
[23:23] <bobweaver>  /system/bin/sh: pm: not found
[23:23] <issackelly> I just loaded a website that crashed my phone
[23:31] <bobweaver> issackelly,  do any of the videos play for you or anyone for that matter none work for me I get a green screen mixed with red
[23:32] <issackelly> no
[23:43] <issackelly> bobweaver the html5 video I tried didn't work either
[23:45] <bobweaver> issackelly,  I am going to make a simple video player and see if it works better
[23:46] <bobweaver> seems like all the webkit stuff that I make works as long as there is no "Tabs"


[05:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:18] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:04] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[08:07] <seb128> hey TheMuso, willcooke
[08:07] <seb128> how are you?
[08:14] <davmor2> seb128: in deja dupe there is a drop down option which shows what is happening, that used to take most of the rest of the window however now in 16.10 it uses a single line instead any clue as to what would cause that, I think it is the same with the updater where you can open the terminal to see what it is doing but let me double check on that
[08:16] <seb128> davmor2, likely a side effect of the new GTK but it's the individual components that need to be updated to specify a min height or something, so please open a bug against deja-dup (and same for updater if needed)
[08:17] <seb128> davmor2, willcooke, did we speak about tagging those bugs? rls-y-incoming would make sense?
[08:18] <davmor2> seb128: yes so if you open software updater and and click on details on the installing updates page you can see the issue too so I think it is an element rather than deja dupe itself
[08:18] <seb128> no
[08:18] <seb128> it's new gtk forcing you to specify the height you want for that widget when yo use it
[08:19] <seb128> they use the same widget
[08:19] <seb128> but needs to be fixed in each codebase
[08:19] <davmor2> seb128: oh okay so do I file one bug and update it with new projects when I hit them then?
[08:20] <seb128> no please don't do that
[08:20] <seb128> just open a bug on deja dup describing the issue
[08:20] <seb128> then one on update-manager
[08:20] <davmor2> seb128: right no worries
[08:20] <seb128> the "use one bugs and collect for similar things that have nothing to do" just creates spam
[08:21] <seb128> like the update-manager maintainer fix his code and then keep receiving emails about similar bugs in other projects he doesn't care about
[08:21] <seb128> fixes
[08:23] <happyaron> seb128: hey, mind to have a look at n-m? the 1.2.4 thing
[08:24] <seb128> happyaron, sure, it's in git? let me check, but you should probably go through normal sponsoring for those so more people can review and it's visible that something is waiting
[08:24] <happyaron> ic
[08:24] <seb128> you might also get some people vouching for you over time to give you ppu for it ;-)
[08:24] <happyaron> yep
[08:26] <seb128> happyaron, what's the difference between patches "dropped" and "merged"?
[08:27] <happyaron> dropped is not needed (due to design change upstream), merged is for those are almost directly merged upstream
[08:27] <seb128> k
[08:28] <seb128> would probably nice in the dropped case to have a small explanation of why they are not needed anymore
[08:28] <happyaron> ok
[08:31] <duflu> pitti, Saviq: Can we increase the unity8.log.* files that apport attaches? Seems like that log is always so big it's already rotated so the useful info is missing
[08:31] <duflu> Never goes back as far as Unity8 starting up
[08:32] <pitti> you mean attach the first rotated log too? sure, the apport hook can do this
[08:32] <seb128> happyaron, systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch seems new and no documented in the changelog?
[08:33] <duflu> pitti: Yes I think the first one will do thanks
[08:33] <duflu> tjaalton: Hey found a second regression from Mesa 12.0.2:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1620994
[08:33] <duflu> Seems 12.0.2 is very bad for Unity8
[08:33] <pitti> seb128, happyaron: that's an old Debian patch which we dropped (deliberately); please keep it dropped
[08:33] <happyaron> seb128: lemme have a look of it
[08:34] <happyaron> pitti: ok
[08:34] <pitti> happyaron: i. e. we do want to enable NM-wait-online
[08:34] <seb128> happyaron, there are 3 other new patches added to the serie, those at least need to be documented in the changelog
[08:35] <happyaron> others should be renamed ones, I'll make a list later in changelog
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, hey, "we" and "when"? it's still in the current archive version and the change is undocumented in the debian/changelog
[08:35] <seb128> happyaron, can you please stop renaming patches?
[08:35] <seb128> that just makes reviews difficult for no good reasons
[08:36] <seb128> pitti, sorry, I read what you said in reverse
[08:36] <seb128> so yeah, shouldn't be added back?
[08:36] <seb128> happyaron, ^
[08:36] <pitti> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.1.93-0ubuntu4 was the last  time it was brought back
[08:37] <seb128> happyaron, but bottom line is that every change in the patches set (so basically in the series) should be documented in the changelog
[08:37] <seb128> either it's a rename or a patch added/removed there is always a reason
[08:38] <seb128> seems it was added back in https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=38a52be23a88226fc255332d6d1bd2b440bc8b5b
[08:38] <happyaron> I see
[08:39] <seb128> happyaron, did you talk to cyphermox about removing Filter-DNS-servers-to-add-to-dnsmasq-based-on-availa.patch
[08:39] <seb128> or debian/patches/Order-IPv6-nameservers-before-IPv4-for-dns-plugins-d.patch
[08:39] <seb128> it's a bit annoying
[08:39] <seb128> those have no bug reference neither upstream or downstream
[08:40] <seb128> no cookie for c_yphermox
[08:40] <pitti> seb128, happyaron: oh, sorry; debian/patches/systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch actually looks intended, *if* we still actually enable it via WantedBy; well, the net result is: we want NM-wait-online.service, and with as little delta to Debian as possible (dropping the dh_installinit override  was easiest)
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, it looks like the patch might not be new, just that this git gbp workflow keeps renaming patching
[08:41] <seb128> which is really annoying for reviews
[08:41] <pitti> hm, how's that?
[08:41] <seb128> I don't know, I don't use it
[08:41] <pitti> I see how they would get renamed *once* after moving from plain quilt to gbp
[08:41] <seb128> but patches keep getting renamed and according to happyaron it's because of the tools
[08:41] <pitti> but there is zero reason that they would randomly get renamed again
[08:41] <happyaron> seb128: I have different view on the debian/patches/Order-IPv6-nameservers-before-IPv4-for-dns-plugins-d.patch to him, since that behaviour isn't performing good because of the DNS thing
[08:42] <pitti> unless you acually change the commit messages
[08:42] <happyaron> seb128: I'll make sure they don't get renamed from 1.2.4
[08:42] <seb128> thanks
[08:42] <seb128> happyaron, why did they got renamed in that update?
[08:42] <seb128> can we just revert that rename?
[08:42] <pitti> well, do a clean import/export so that there is no "git diff" or renames, and from then on keep  it clean
[08:43] <seb128> pitti, https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu/commit/?id=38a52be23a88226fc255332d6d1bd2b440bc8b5b is typically what happyaron get at every new version update
[08:44] <seb128> unsure how/why
[08:44]  * seb128 is not familiar with git gbp
[08:44] <seb128> but e.g Don-t-block-network.target-on-NetworkManager-wait-on.patch got renamed to systemd-Don-t-enable-NetworkManager-wait-online.serv.patch for whatever reason
[08:44] <pitti> seb128: hm, where's the rename?
[08:44] <pitti> ah
[08:45] <pitti> hm, looks like that got done on the Debian side?
[08:45] <seb128> but that's not a merge on debian or anything like that
[08:45] <seb128> the commit is "Update patches for new upstream release"
[08:46] <seb128> see https://git.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/+git/ubuntu
[08:46] <pitti> -Subject: Don't block network.target on NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[08:46] <pitti> +Subject: systemd: Don't enable NetworkManager-wait-online.service statically
[08:46] <pitti> well, someone changed the commit message
[08:46] <seb128> k, maybe it's a undocumented rebase
[08:46] <pitti> no
[08:47] <pitti> rebases don't change commit messages
[08:47] <seb128> I think the bottom line is that changelog is underdocumenting what is being done
[08:47] <pitti> some*one*, not some*thing*
[08:47] <seb128> well maybe debian did change the commit message
[08:47] <seb128> and happyaron is basing is work on their branch
[08:47] <pitti> isn't debian on 1.4 already?
[08:47] <seb128> so is getting those changes
[08:47] <seb128> yes
[08:48] <pitti> (which would really be nice to get, FWIW -- upstream merged our huge ofono patches, it drops the dependency to isc-dhcp-client, etc.)
[08:48] <seb128> we are not going to do an "update n-m the week before release" this cycle again, are we? ;-)
[08:48] <happyaron> I talked with willcook_e earlier and he sugguested me to keep 1.2 this cycle..
[08:48] <seb128> yeah, we should have updated to 1.3 mid-cycle
[08:49] <seb128> but that didn't get done
[08:49] <seb128> so now is late imho
[08:49] <pitti> seb128: you are right, we still need to wait a month before we upgrade :)
[08:49] <seb128> :-)
[08:49] <happyaron> well, /me is talking with him again atm guys
[08:49] <seb128> keep 1.2 for this cycle
[08:49] <seb128> we have enough things that are behind and need to land we fixed
[08:49] <seb128> including fallout from new gtk
[08:49] <seb128> systemd user session not done yet
[08:49] <seb128> unity8 to get on the iso still
[08:50] <seb128> yakkety has an edgy feeling
[08:50] <seb128> ;-)
[08:50] <pitti> eft eft eft!
[08:50] <seb128> hehe
[09:32] <seb128> using linux is depressing some days
[09:32] <seb128> that laptop worked so nicely in trusty
[09:33] <seb128> now can't vt switch without getting the intel to the gpu lock of the xorg session to close or something
[10:15] <willcooke> errrrr
[10:15] <willcooke> suddenly I can't resize windows
[10:15] <willcooke> brb
[10:16] <davmor2> seb128, willcooke: can either of you boot from todays iso on kvm?
[10:16] <willcooke> fixed by restarting session
[10:16] <willcooke> meh
[10:16] <willcooke> davmor2, haven't tried today yet
[10:17] <davmor2> I just get a text cursor in the middle of a black screen, seems to be fine on hardware though
[10:18] <willcooke> davmor2, that's at the point it tries to start the live session or the installer bit?
[10:18] <davmor2> willcooke: it's the point in uefi that shows you the uefi menu
[10:19] <davmor2> I'll try without uefi
[10:19] <willcooke> plan
[10:20] <davmor2> so it works without uefi hmmm
[10:31] <davmor2> So I'm now using the newer OVFM from 16.10 same thing blank screen text cursor so there is a problem there for kvm
[11:27] <seb128> davmor2, I'm using virtualbox and it works fine for me (but no uefi on this machine)
[11:28] <davmor2> seb128: yeah kvm with -boot d work kvm with -pflash OVMF_CODE.fd doesn't
[12:40] <cyphermox> good morning!
[12:49] <seb128> hey cyphermox, how are you?
[12:51] <cyphermox> good, you?
[12:51] <seb128> good, waiting for days to get a bit cooler again though, over 30°C is not nice to work
[12:52] <ogra_> dont you already have the thunderstorms down there in france ?
[12:52] <ogra_> (they are announced for tomorrow in germany and come from the south)
[12:54] <cyphermox> seb128: I know what you mean, the weather is just starting to be a little cooler, and every day after work I'm neck deep in renovations
[12:54] <cyphermox> to say that it's hot to work is an understatement
[12:57] <seb128> bit of patience, winter is coming, then we can complain it's too cold ;-)
[12:57] <ogra_> \o/
[12:58]  * ogra_ imagines seb128 in a black fur coat with large sword with wolf handle ...
[12:58] <seb128> ogra_, but yeah, most of france got rain&co so it's getting better
[12:58] <seb128> but most of the week was hot summer like
[12:59] <ogra_> yeah, same here
[12:59] <ogra_> 30+ ....
[13:17] <andyrock> morning
[13:17] <seb128> andyrock, evening!
[13:18] <seb128> how are you?
[13:18] <andyrock> :D
[13:18] <andyrock> where there is still sun
[13:18] <seb128> is sun still going up? ;-)
[13:22] <andyrock> well not
[13:22] <andyrock> so good evenging
[13:51] <seb128> andyrock, joke aside, how are you? is it hot summer still for you as well?
[13:52] <andyrock> not anymore
[13:53] <seb128> lucky you ;-)
[14:10] <seb128> going for some exercice
[14:10] <seb128> bbl
[17:45] <davmor2> willcooke, seb128: hmmm I think we might have issues with bluetooth between unity 7/8 I can't get a simple speaker to show up in either but it does on tablet and phone
[17:46] <seb128> was it working in u7 before you installed extra things?
[17:46] <willcooke> davmor2, could it be related to airplane mode from U8 having switched off BT?
[17:47] <willcooke> just testing on a vanilla Y
[17:47] <davmor2> willcooke: it's turned back on but I can test via cli
[17:47] <davmor2> one second
[17:50] <willcooke> ok, with the u8-desktop-session-mir meta package from universe installed
[17:50] <willcooke> I can see a BT speaker and connect to it  in U7
[17:51] <willcooke> however, playing back audio from it fails
[17:51] <willcooke> and if I try and play a video it hangs until I switch back the audio to the internal soundcard
[17:51] <willcooke> so yes, we have a problem, but I think it's a different one
[17:51] <davmor2> willcooke: koza has some work ahead of him then :D
[17:52] <willcooke> heh, poor chap
[17:59] <willcooke> davmor2, I'm not sure where to log this one, against BlueZ or pulse.  Start with Bluez you think?
[18:01] <davmor2> willcooke: always start at the top of the stack and then let koza blame jhodapp :)
[18:35] <flocculant> jbicha: not sure how involved with Ubuntu Gnome you are, but it's affected by bug 1617711 - makes it hard to read the resize screen for the older people amongst us ;)
[18:56] <jhodapp> willcooke: I'm always the catch-all bucket for davmor2's woes ;)
[18:56] <willcooke> jhodapp, thanks!  It's on TheMuso's list, so will catch up with him about it first.
[18:57] <jhodapp> davmor2, willcooke: bring your device with you to the next sprint
[18:57] <willcooke> jhodapp, :) need it fixing before release really
[18:57] <jhodapp> koza will be doing a BT hackathon after hours and he promises Polish beer
[18:58]  * willcooke gathers his devices
[18:58] <willcooke> :)
[18:58] <jhodapp> willcooke, what's the issue exactly?
[18:58] <willcooke> jhodapp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1608820
[18:59] <jhodapp> willcooke, does it work with the phone?
[18:59] <willcooke> jhodapp, probably.  this is for desktop 16.10
[19:00] <jhodapp> willcooke, right, I am curious as I've seen some issues from watching koza where it's been a difference sometimes between bluez versions and kernel drivers between desktop and phone
[19:00] <jhodapp> willcooke, so if it works on one, that actually makes it a lot easier to fix for the other
[19:01] <willcooke> jhodapp, oki, good to kow
[19:01] <willcooke> know
[19:01] <willcooke> thanks
[19:01] <jhodapp> np
[19:45] <seb128> k, calling it a week (I've a vac day tomorrow), have a nice w.e desktopers
[19:45] <flocculant> seb128: have a good one :)
[19:45] <seb128> thanks!
[20:57] <a1fa> whats the easiest way to wipe gnome from system (16.10) apt-get remove --auto-remove ubuntu-gnome-desktop just removes two packages, gnome-shell is still there
[21:18] <dobey> a1fa: you'd want autoremove --purge ubuntu-gnome-desktop and then probably need to do another apt-get autoremove --purge after to catch some additional packages
[21:19] <a1fa> dobey: it didnt do it for me
[21:19] <a1fa> dobey: i ended up doing apt-get purge *gnome*
[21:20] <dobey> well unity7 requires some gnome packages, so that won't be good either
[21:20] <a1fa> i purged unity7 at the moment
[21:20] <a1fa> trying to see how much i can purge before reinstalling a desktop enviroment
[21:21] <a1fa> wish there was a command to strip everything down to base
[21:26] <sarnold> gtk? gdk?
[21:29] <jbicha> a1fa: honestly, a reinstall of the desktop you like is probably the easiest
[21:30] <jbicha> Ubuntu differs from Debian in that we don't want users who remove a metapackage to also get most of their desktop autoremoved
[21:32] <a1fa> i see that ;)
[21:32] <jbicha> or you can look in your apt logs to see what packages were installed when you installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop and remove those
[21:32] <a1fa> well, i am using ubuntu-desktop-16.10 test isos
[21:32] <a1fa> so it came pre-bundled with gnome
[21:32] <jbicha> ?
[21:33] <a1fa> not sure why that was
[21:33] <jbicha> I think you downloaded the wrong iso, try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:33] <a1fa> yakkety-desktop-amd64.iso d01dda0162bb572c21f2827dd3e0c01c
[21:34] <jbicha> yeah, that's Ubuntu GNOME 16.10 Beta 1 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/yakkety/beta-1/MD5SUMS
[21:35] <a1fa> odd - well, i think i got everything purged, and stuff reinstalled
[21:35] <a1fa> now its a matter of finding out if its fixed. if not, i'll reinstall with new iso
[21:36] <jbicha> I really recommend you just reinstall; I don't recommend trying to turn Ubuntu GNOME into Ubuntu (Unity)
[21:37] <a1fa> yeah, compiz keeps crashing ;(
[21:37] <a1fa> i wanted to try unity8


[06:28] <help[96]> does anybody know how to download and install new modules for drupal in ubuntu?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> help[96]: Certainly.
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> The same way you do in any other distro - with wget and tar.
[06:34] <help[96]> hmm...okay, i'm new to ubuntu...so i usually use sudo apt-get
[06:34] <help[96]> but i don't think i can do that with modules
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> As you should, but the Drupal modules are not in the repositories.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> Drupal itself is, but not its add-ons.
[06:35] <help[96]> yeah, so what's the process for wget and tar?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> In your Drupal directory (/usr/share/drupalsomething), you'll see a sites/ directory.
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> In that either you'll have an all/ directory, or you can make one, with a modules/ subdirectory.
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> cd into that, the wget URLofthemodule, then tar zxf file.tar.gz
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> When you visit admin/build/modules, it will show up in the list.  viola.
[06:40] <help[96]> hmm...so, in the sites/ directory, i just see a default/ directory
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> or that
[06:40] <help[96]> so...should i put the modules/ directory under the default/ directory?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> help[96]: There are many, many ways of managing the sites/ tree.  It would do you well to read the Drupal documentation about that.
[06:41] <tonyyarusso> You can start by using default/, but you probably don't want to keep doing that.
[06:42] <help[96]> okay...i'll check out the documentation a bit, too
[06:42] <help[96]> i think i was getting ahead of myself
[06:44] <help[96]> hey! it popped up!  thanks so much!
[21:16] <andrew_708476> Is anyone any good with Ubuntu that doesn't mind helping because I have a few problems
[21:27] <tonyyarusso> !ask | andrew_708476
[21:27] <tonyyarusso> It's hard for us to know if we're "good" with your problem until we know what it is.  ;)
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> I guess we fail at telepathy :(