[12:33] <dorian> hello
[12:33] <apokryphos> hi
[12:34] <dorian> i have some problem with a S3-Virge graphic card and my kunbuntu distribution
[12:35] <dorian> I am not able to have a 1024x768 display despite my efforts
[12:38] <apokryphos> dorian: have you checked through the Wiki article?
[12:38] <apokryphos> !resolution
[12:38] <ubotu> somebody said resolution was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:40] <dorian> thx, i will check that
[01:07] <TestMAD> anyone here mess with mame?
[01:40] <sico> me falla la autentificacion de cups ?? como puedo solucionarlo ??
[01:40] <TestMAD> anyone know how to fix the sound problem with enemy territory?
[01:41] <crimsun> what sound problem?
[01:41] <TestMAD> no hablo
[01:41] <TestMAD> try #kubuntu-es
[01:41] <TestMAD> i get no audio
[01:42] <crimsun> did you configure arts to release the sound device after a very short idle period?
[01:43] <TestMAD> huh?
[01:43] <TestMAD> no
[01:43] <TestMAD> how do i do that?
[01:44] <crimsun> in the control center> sound & multimedia> sound system> auto-suspend
[01:44] <crimsun> mine's set to 3 seconds
[01:44] <TestMAD> found it
[01:45] <TestMAD> let me try
[01:45] <TestMAD> still no sound..
[01:45] <TestMAD> but it loads faster now
[01:45] <TestMAD> do i need to set the device?
[01:46] <TestMAD> instead of it being blank..]
[01:46] <TestMAD> and set to alsa or oss instead of default?
[01:46] <stibby> testMAD: to use oss i think you go to KControl -> sounds
[01:47] <TestMAD> i know how..but do i need to do that for ET?
[01:47] <crimsun> no, ET will use /dev/dsp automatically
[01:51] <TestMAD> hmm..
[01:52] <TestMAD> i still got no sound.but got an error in the game too..cus i heard the glass break
[01:52] <crimsun> you don't happen to be using a shoddy onboard sound chipset, do you?
[01:53] <TestMAD> its not shoddy
[01:53] <TestMAD> raaltek
[01:53] <TestMAD> on nf4 bourd
[01:53] <stibby> my motherboard sound was detected
[01:53] <stibby> its realtec ac97
[01:54] <TestMAD> yeaq
[01:56] <crimsun> then you need to make sure you're using at least alsa-source in universe
[01:57] <crimsun> search the Ubuntu wiki for instructions I've given for downloading, compiling, and installing it
[02:00] <_frank> TestMAD: did you get your enemy territory sound to work? I got it to work today
[02:00] <TestMAD> no
[02:00] <TestMAD> how you do it??
[02:01] <_frank> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30302&highlight=enemy+territory+sound  using this
[02:01] <TestMAD> is it permanent?
[02:02] <TestMAD> or do i have to do that every time i want to play?
[02:02] <_frank> it is not permanent
[02:02] <_frank> well it is until you reboot
[02:02] <TestMAD> so ho do i get it so that it runs from the menu with those 2 commands?
[02:02] <_frank> and you have to do it in a root shell. sudo is not enough for some reason
[02:02] <TestMAD> &&??
[02:03] <_frank> dunno
[02:03] <TestMAD> ..how do i get into root shell?
[02:03] <TestMAD> sudo -i?
[02:03] <_frank> systenm->root terminal
[02:03] <TestMAD> ahh
[02:03] <_frank> hopefully this will work for you too
[02:03] <aseigo> you could always put those commands in a boot script =)
[02:04] <aseigo> (and then it'd be "permanent")
[02:04] <TestMAD> i gotta get this dumbed down..cus my wife and son are going to be playing this..
[02:04] <TestMAD> i d ont need them going around as root.
[02:05] <TestMAD> can you hook up a script aseigo?
[02:06] <_frank> TestMAD: did you check if it works? actually, the first command alone is enough for me
[02:08] <aseigo> TestMAD: just throw a script in /etc/rcS.d ... e.g. .... cp /etc/rcS.d/S75sudo /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound ... then edit that new script to have the commands you need =)
[02:09] <fromoze> Hi,
[02:10] <fromoze> Is possible to acces to the webmin of CUPS on kubuntu??
[02:10] <TestMAD> yea..just that one line worked
[02:10] <TestMAD> aseigo: total noob
[02:10] <TestMAD> i am that is
[02:11] <TestMAD> you must explain step by step
[02:12] <_frank> you make a copy of S75sudo with another name
[02:12] <_frank> the first command he wrote
[02:13] <TestMAD> ok
[02:13] <_frank> actually that doesn't work
[02:13] <_frank> I think I can walk you through it thoug
[02:14] <TestMAD> ok
[02:15] <_frank> kdesu kate /etc/init.d/gamingsound to create the one line script
[02:15] <TestMAD> ok..new file isnt it..blank?
[02:16] <_frank> yeah its blank but you copy in the command
[02:16] <TestMAD> ok..copied in command.
[02:17] <_frank> sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/gamingsound
[02:17] <_frank> I'm doing it at the same time
[02:17] <_frank> to make it executable
[02:17] <marsh> hi
[02:17] <TestMAD> k..do i do that in termianl or in the file?
[02:17] <_frank> in terminal
[02:18] <_frank> save and exit the text editor
[02:18] <TestMAD> ok..so i need to save the file..and then do that command?
[02:18] <TestMAD> ok..done
[02:18] <marsh> I just installed Kubuntu - after using Ubuntu for the last month or 2, finding it pretty good, but getting hacked off with not being able to toast anything without hard work and ignoring loads of error messages...
[02:18] <fromoze> No ones have try to use localhost:631 to admin cups?
[02:19] <_frank> sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/gamingsound /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound
[02:19] <marsh> but I'm having a bit of a nightmare getting (for atarters) my mouse wheel to work :(
[02:19] <_frank> TestMAD: to put the script in the boot sequence
[02:20] <_frank> marsh: what do you mean toast?
[02:20] <marsh> burn cd's etc...
[02:20] <TestMAD> said file exists
[02:20] <_frank> k3b doesn't work?
[02:20] <marsh> ubuntu just doesn't work properly _frank
[02:20] <marsh> yeah - it does
[02:20] <TestMAD> was is uppesed to use rcS.d/s80 or the new file we made?
[02:21] <marsh> but the gnometoaster in ubuntu didn't - well not smoothly anyways...
[02:21] <_frank> TestMAD: sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound
[02:21] <_frank> marsh: is it slow to burn?
[02:21] <marsh> _frank - but more to the point do you know why my mouse wheel doesn't work? does Konqueror support mouse wheel?
[02:22] <aseigo> yes, it idoes
[02:22] <marsh> _frank: burning is not an issue with me... mouse wheel is an issue
[02:22] <_frank> marsh: mouse wheel works for me
[02:22] <aseigo> marsh: does your mouse wheel work with any application?
[02:22] <marsh> aseigo: it would seem not... but worked fine in ubuntu
[02:23] <marsh> I've tried the configure route...
[02:23] <aseigo> marsh: if not, then it's most likely an X configuration issue. huh.. it worked in ubuntu? kubuntu uses the exact same X infrastructure for that =)
[02:23] <_frank> TestMAD: you need to create a link from /etc/rcS.d/S80gamingsound to /etc/init.d/gamingsound
[02:23] <marsh> not here it doesn't ?!?!?
[02:24] <TestMAD> ok..done
[02:24] <marsh> aseigo: it worked on exactly the same machine - all I done is swapped hd and installed Kubuntu
[02:24] <_frank> TestMAD: the ln command worked?
[02:24] <TestMAD> yea
[02:24] <aseigo> marsh: open up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[02:24] <aseigo> marsh: search for CorePointer
[02:24] <aseigo> marsh: in that same block you should see:
[02:24] <aseigo>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[02:24] <aseigo> do you?
[02:25] <_frank> TestMAD: that's it. It should run the command when you boot... I think
[02:25] <TestMAD> hehe
[02:25] <TestMAD> well see tomorrow then
[02:25] <TestMAD> im not rebooting for a while
[02:25] <TestMAD> anyone willing to update any of the xmame frontends for kde3.4.1?
[02:26] <TestMAD> kamamelian
[02:26] <TestMAD> or whatever in is preferably
[02:26] <marsh> aseigo: yes
[02:27] <marsh> along wwith emulate3buttons, and protocol ImPS/2
[02:27] <marsh> aseigo: but my mouse is plugged in to a usb port (although it is a ps2 mouse)
[02:28] <aseigo> huh.. that is very, very odd
[02:28] <aseigo> :q
[02:28] <marsh> aseigo: me?
[02:28] <TestMAD> its an adapter
[02:28] <marsh> aseigo: odd?
[02:29] <aseigo> odd in that is ought to work then ...
[02:29] <aseigo> er, it ought*
[02:29] <marsh> TestMAD: me? addaptor? no - it's a splitter/switch for two machines on one monitor
[02:29] <marsh> but I've had no problems before...
[02:30] <marsh> aseigo: is there a config binary t gui/config my mouse wheel etc?
[02:32] <aseigo> marsh: try this for me.. run xterm, hit enter a bunch of times so you get a history you can scroll back into and try and scroll using the mouse wheel
[02:32] <marsh> aseigo: no joy
[02:33] <marsh> aseigo: the wheel does nothing - I'll aggree with your x11 mouse config theory - just can't find a way to configure it
[02:35] <_frank> TestMAD: I just rebooted and the sound script works here
[02:35] <marsh> aseigo: mdetect is one that came up with apropos mouse, but it doesn't seem to have done anything... >:(
[02:35] <apokryphos> marsh: if you sudo cat /dev/psaux and move the mousewheel do you get anything?
[02:36] <marsh> mouse
[02:37] <marsh> aseigo: no - good line though - hows that work? i thought cat just streamed stuff to the screen!
[02:37] <marsh> aseigo: back to the plot though: mouse moving got stuff - but mouse wheel got nothing :(
[02:40] <aseigo> cat does stream stuff to the screen
[02:40] <apokryphos> marsh: not entirely sure what else you've been doing, but if you're getting that (i.e. nothing with the cat) you perhaps haven't properly enabled mousewheel in your X configuration. Try doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and setting it there
[02:40] <aseigo> everything in unix is a file, even the evices
[02:41] <aseigo> apokryphos: oddly, he has the correct line in his xorg.conf
[02:41] <TestMAD> _frank:  thats great
[02:42] <_frank>  aseigo: but /dev/psaux doesn't see the mouse wheel so nothing will see it later on either
[02:42] <aseigo> _frank: well, yes, obviously. that's the odd bit ;)
[02:43] <marsh> apokryphos: I've done nothing but google mousewheel probs - it's a fresh install - I gonna go for the dpkg-reconfigure thing though - back in 2 minutes... >:|
[02:43] <_frank> marsh: what is your exact mouse model?
[02:44] <apokryphos> dpkg-reconfigure just edits the xorg.conf file, so if that didn't work (and looking above you seem to have the right line), I'm pretty sure it won't help
[02:44] <apokryphos> unless it's another configuration somewhere mucking it up, in which case it may... clutching at straws here.
[02:45] <marsh> _frank: genius - optimouse - NetscrollEye
[02:47] <marsh> guys - in the dpkg-reconf package - do i enter the mouse as usb or ps2 (it's a ps2 in a usb monitor switcher - so it's plugged into usb port)
[02:50] <apokryphos> marsh: Not even sure what a USB monitor switcher is, but I'd say usb... you can always try the other one if it doesn't work out
[02:50] <marsh> Ahh... bollox. lol
[02:50] <marsh> no joy... back in again with different options then :(
[02:52] <marsh> do i have to restart x to get effects?
[02:52] <marsh> if so, does that mean I have to log out to restart x?
[02:52] <TestMAD> grrr..i wish ubuntu had xmame
[02:53] <apokryphos> marsh: yes; log out and then hit Ctrl + Alt + Backspace
[02:53] <_frank> marsh: check this out http://www.genius-europe.com/service/faq/tuxmouse.htm
[02:53] <apokryphos> marsh: note that if you made any changes and you can't get back into X, the dpkg-reconfigure automatically generates a backup in /etc/X11/ of your previous xorg.conf file
[02:53] <marsh> thanks apo
[02:54] <marsh> thanks apokryphos
[02:55] <TestMAD> the specials are awesome
[02:56] <marsh> too much too young.
[02:56] <_frank> TestMAD: I compiled xmame a while back. It works
[02:56] <TestMAD> yea..lookin for a frontend tho
[02:57] <TestMAD> simple one.
[02:57] <sedeki> anyone know how to install ATI drivers on kubuntu?
[02:57] <TestMAD> and you got mame to compile...gees..i need to talkk to you more often..
[02:57] <TestMAD> cus i need to compile it
[02:57] <sedeki> i want opengl which doesn't come with the apt-getted one
[02:58] <TestMAD> _frank: get the source form xmame.net?
[02:59] <_frank> yes I think so but I think I reinstalled Ubuntu since then
[02:59] <TestMAD> hehe
[03:01] <_frank> the frontend I had was great... if can just remember which one it was
[03:01] <TestMAD> prolly a gnome one
[03:02] <TestMAD> i wish they did the rocky horror picture show live here..like they did in houston..
[03:03] <TestMAD> but in this small little redneck town in WV..its prolly banned
[03:03] <TestMAD> heheh
[03:04] <_frank> TestMAD: Yeah I think the frontend I used was gxmame
[03:04] <TestMAD> yea..thats the best one
[03:04] <TestMAD> soemone needs to write one for kde..thats just as awesome
[03:05] <TestMAD> yea..
[03:06] <TestMAD> i experimented with Gnutella a few years ago.
[03:06] <TestMAD> tried to modify a kazzaa client for use over a private gnutella network
[03:06] <TestMAD> no luck tho
[03:06] <stibby> how can i find out what is using up my memory?
[03:06] <marsh> well... after a few attepts, the only things i could really do were change the pointer to the file where the mouse resides (or something like that) but a completely new way of using a mouse ensued (moving & scrolling allsorts of stuff & issuing loads of commands to the screen as i moved the mouse about, until I set it to (shit - can't remember) /devices/mice (?)
[03:07] <TestMAD> ksysguard
[03:07] <apokryphos> stibby: top
[03:07] <TestMAD> stibby: menu>system>ksysguard
[03:07] <marsh> TestMAD: whats up with amule?
[03:07] <TestMAD> amule?
[03:07] <_frank> TestMAD: for gnutella try Apollon. Its a kde frontend for gift and there is a gnutella plugin for gift
[03:07] <apokryphos> TestMAD: yup, or with Ctrl + Esc
[03:08] <marsh> yeah amule... comes in apt with ubuntu
[03:08] <TestMAD> nahh..i stay away from p2p now
[03:08] <marsh> (unnoficial, of course)
[03:08] <TestMAD> even tho peer guardian does a good job of blocking most of the bad places
[03:09] <marsh> well... I'm tired and getting nowhere with me mouse :(
[03:09] <marsh> I gotta go crash gents.
[03:09] <TestMAD> just plug it up like normal
[03:10] <marsh> Thanks for the help, gonna have another go 2morrow - if anyone gets any ideas, let me know - I'll pop in soon
[03:10] <marsh> cheers...
[03:10] <apokryphos> Alright, 'night
[03:10] <marsh> 'night
[03:13] <stibby> TestMAD: how do i look up how much memory is being used in Ksysguard?
[03:13] <stibby> err...wrong phrasing
[03:13] <TestMAD> i dunno
[03:13] <stibby> how do i look up which processes are using that memory?
[03:14] <TestMAD> click on processtable
[03:14] <TestMAD> its a tab
[03:19] <stibby> okay
[03:19] <stibby> testmad: i only see cpu stats
[03:19] <TestMAD> close ksysguard
[03:19] <TestMAD> then reopen..
[03:20] <stibby> k...
[03:20] <stibby> now what?
[03:20] <TestMAD> see where it says..sonsorbrowser
[03:20] <TestMAD> just keep lookign to your right
[03:20] <TestMAD> youll see the tab for sustem load..
[03:20] <TestMAD> and then the one for process table
[03:21] <stibby> i see them
[03:21] <stibby> they tell me how much is used, but i need to know which processes are using that memory
[03:21] <TestMAD> it sasy
[03:22] <TestMAD> right under name
[03:22] <stibby> "PID"?
[03:23] <TestMAD> no..
[03:23] <TestMAD> name
[03:23] <stibby> i see a long list of names, yes
[03:23] <stibby> "artsd", "ksysguard", "kdm"...
[03:23] <TestMAD> right
[03:23] <TestMAD> they are whats using memory
[03:23] <stibby> but how much?
[03:24] <TestMAD> vmsize and vmrss
[03:24] <TestMAD> i would think
[03:25] <stibby> okay...thankyou
[03:25] <TestMAD> k
[03:25] <TestMAD> ive only been using kubuntu and linux for like a week
[03:25] <TestMAD> so im still new to the whole thing
[03:57] <stibby> will a debian package for debian sarge work with kubuntu? i think the answer is no but not sure
[03:57] <The_Vox> most probably no...tho I bet you can re-compile the package
[03:58] <stibby> i can't compile things because i get this error:
[03:58] <stibby> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:58] <stibby> yet...i have all the qt dev packages from apt
[03:59] <The_Vox> sudo aptitude install libqt3-mt-dev
[04:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> you probably dont' have sufficiently recent version
[04:01] <stibby> The_Vox: i have it
[04:01] <stibby> and "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" doesn't do anything
[04:01] <stibby> i did that already
[04:02] <stibby> alright i somehow got passed that error
[04:02] <stibby> installed some obscure qt package
[04:03] <stibby> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[04:03] <stibby> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[04:03] <stibby> So, check this please and use another prefix
[04:03] <stibby> that's the next error
[04:03] <stibby> and i have libqt3-headers
[04:05] <stibby> alright now i have the kde-devels...hope this works
[04:08] <stibby> yay...i got it
[04:12] <slicslak> i'm having trouble reading the output of diff.  google hasn't turned up anything usefull, and the man page only describes options.  what does the @@ mean?  how about lines that begin with a space?
[04:12] <ralph1> I just installed Kubuntu version 5.04. I have updated KDE to 3.4.1 and am in despreate need of a Kmymoney2 version 0.7.4 deb that will work. Can anyone porint me to one or share one?
[04:13] <michael> So, does anybody know of anything that functions identically to Windows Remote Desktop? I can handle a windows freebie, but prefer something for Debian. I tried VNC, but it won't work.
[04:14] <slicslak> michael, what is your situation?
[04:15] <slicslak> what os do you want to view/control and what os is the viewer?
[04:16] <michael> I am having to reconfigur printers on our schools printers and ports. I need to remote dektop to one of out servers via wireless.
[04:16] <sproingie> michael: windows server?
[04:16] <michael> yea
[04:16] <sproingie> michael: you want rdesktop
[04:17] <michael> is it debian based
[04:17] <sproingie> it's linux
[04:17] <sproingie> it's not a distribution, it's a program
[04:18] <sproingie> it's in apt.  apt-get install rdesktop
[04:19] <michael> grdektop runs on top of rdesktop - right?
[04:19] <sproingie> beats me
[04:19] <sproingie> probably
[04:19] <michael> ok, ty
[04:21] <michael> DANG-- Just put a cooling pad under my laptop, and it's cool, and my laptop was hot
[04:21] <michael> :P
[04:25] <michael> ne1 got a server I cn try to connect to, to test this out?
[04:30] <atha> hi everybody...
[04:30] <michael> sup
[04:30] <ralph1> atha: hi
[04:31] <atha> i sucsses to install kubuntu on my system. but how to make root password at kubuntu?
[04:31] <atha> any one know?
[04:31] <michael> the password you use to log in is the root password
[04:32] <atha> no it is my password. at console i type su then i use my password some error appear..
[04:33] <dutch> try "sudo" instead of "su"
[04:33] <atha> if at ubuntu have a choose a root terminal. at kubuntu it is no...
[04:35] <atha> i try sudo, but it quote a password. then i type my passwors 3 times. the error appear... :-(
[04:35] <michael> try $sudo -i
[04:35] <michael> or $sudo -s
[04:35] <atha> ok i will ...
[04:37] <atha> ok michael. it is sucses.. thanks.
[04:37] <atha> :-)
[04:37] <michael> np - finally i can start giving back to the community :)
[04:38] <atha> yes that i hope.
[04:38] <atha> for me or for everyone than newbe at linux especially kubuntu.
[04:38] <dutch> michael: where did you find the info on the $sudo -i and $sudo -s ?
[04:39] <michael> I use kubuntu: but try http://ubuntuguide.org
[04:39] <michael> its "a goldmine"
[04:39] <dutch> I've never had any troube with sudo, but knowing more can't possbily hurt
[04:39] <dutch> got the guide
[04:39] <dutch> just have seen that one yet
[04:40] <atha> ok guy. thank you on your help i want to log off now. thanks... :-)
[04:41] <Dhraakellian> ah well, it's not as bad as Firefox requiring so many gnome packages when it's not a gnome app
[04:56] <MCCPicky> i'm after a mirror i can enter into my sources.list for install kolab2
[04:56] <_frank> MCCPicky: sec
[04:57] <_frank> what is that? It's not in debian at all
[04:59] <MCCPicky> no i figure i will have to add it to the list..it's a groupware server
[05:00] <_frank> I can't find any
[05:00] <_frank> You'll probbaly have to install following the instructions on the site
[05:02] <Dhraakellian> heh
[05:03] <MCCPicky> fair enough...i was hoping for an easier and simple apt-get :-)
[05:04] <_frank> MCCPicky: do you need the client oly?
[05:04] <_frank> MCCPicky: do you need the client only?
[05:04] <_frank> or the server?
[05:04] <MCCPicky> both
[05:05] <_frank> ok
[05:05] <_frank> http://wiki.kolab.org/index.php/Ubuntu
[05:05] <_frank> not much there though
[05:06] <MCCPicky> i'm running an exchange 2000 network and want to convert to linux
[05:06] <MCCPicky> thought kolab might be the way to go
[05:07] <MCCPicky> the german govt seems happy with it
[05:07] <_frank> ok It's the first time I hear about kolab
[05:08] <TestMAD> got a question..theres a really nice cmdline app..but i wish for a gui version..where woudl i start?
[05:09] <Dhraakellian> TestMAD, there's this really nice Qt programming book available for free as a PDF
[05:09] <TestMAD> and i dont care for gnome..so it would be a kde app
[05:09] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[05:09] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Dhraakellian
[05:09] <MCCPicky> thanks anyway frank...where abouts are you?
[05:09] <_frank> Canada
[05:09] <Dhraakellian> TestMAD, kde-apps.org might be a good spot to look for KDE apps
[05:09] <MCCPicky> north eastern new south wales australia
[05:10] <TestMAD> well..the app im wanting to make into a kde app..is opensource..all i gotta do is figure out how to integrate a gui
[05:11] <Dhraakellian> TestMAD, seriously, do a search on kde-apps.org
[05:11] <TestMAD> i am on it now..what am i supposed to search for
[05:12] <Dhraakellian> (and !gnome != kde, however nice KDE apps are)
[05:12] <Dhraakellian> the name of the utility for which you want the frontend?
[05:12] <TestMAD> ok..i dont thnik there is one
[05:12] <Dhraakellian> okay
[05:13] <Dhraakellian> freshmeat? sourceforge?
[05:13] <michael> ne1 know how to enable chat logging in Kopete?
[05:13] <michael> I just lost a hot chicks # cuz it isn't logging
[05:13] <Dhraakellian> history plugin
[05:13] <Dhraakellian> ...
[05:14] <michael> closed the chat window
[05:14] <TestMAD> no entries for what i want on kde-apps
[05:14] <Dhraakellian> michael, just remember this one thing about IRC and internet chat: "men are men, women are men, and teenage girls are FBI agents"
[05:14] <Dhraakellian> !;)
[05:14] <ubotu> Dhraakellian: I give up, what is it?
[05:14] <Dhraakellian> shut up, bot
[05:15] <TestMAD> par2cmdline
[05:15] <Dhraakellian> stop responding to my emoticon
[05:15] <michael> I checked the plugins and History is checked - so where are the logs
[05:15] <TestMAD> i hate cmdline apps
[05:15] <Dhraakellian> right-click on the contact?
[05:15] <michael> and if she is an FBI agent, she's hot enough to take a couple years in jail
[05:15] <Dhraakellian> context menu > view history
[05:16] <TestMAD> it could be a guy FBI agent
[05:16] <michael> she has a pic
[05:17] <michael> alright, so where is that menu?
[05:19] <Dhraakellian> is this person in your contact list
[05:19] <Dhraakellian> ?
[05:19] <michael> yea
[05:19] <michael> i right clicked her name
[05:19] <Dhraakellian> context menu
[05:19] <Dhraakellian> View History
[05:19] <michael> I don't have it in there
[05:23] <michael> right click, and I don't have View History there, open the last option, and it's not in there either
[05:25] <michael> ok, got it on, ty
[05:25] <michael> I still miss her number :'(!!!
[05:26] <Dhraakellian> "Oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally closed the window.  Could you repeat that?
[05:26] <Dhraakellian> "
[05:27] <michael> she's offline - it was her last message
[05:27] <Dhraakellian> heh
[05:27] <michael> I wanna just beat the hell out of me
[05:27] <michael> sry, heck*
[05:28] <TestMAD> ill do it fer ya
[05:28] <michael> 919 5th st SW; Pipestone, MN 56164
[05:29] <michael> :P
[05:30] <TestMAD> thats too far from WV
[05:30] <michael> yea, she lives in OH
[05:30] <michael> but I'm willing to take that trip
[05:30] <TestMAD> i got a few friends in ohio
[05:31] <TestMAD> we're all originally from texas..and a we all moved north over the past few years
[05:34] <michael> dang, I want to install Kurd, but ./configure tells me that headers and libraries not found
[05:35] <michael> ne1 know off hand if there is a .deb for it?
[05:35] <michael> or a repositry to get it?
[05:41] <supernix> Uptime: 6 days, 7 hours and 50 minutes
[05:44] <moshe> hello
[05:44] <moshe> when I plug in a usb device, kubuntu mounts it automatically and I get an icon on the kde desktop.
[05:44] <moshe> when I put a cd into the drive, it doesn't get mounted automatically.
[05:44] <moshe> is this correct behavior?
[05:45] <supernix> I wouldn't think so
[05:45] <supernix> I think my system automounts my CDs
[05:45] <moshe> neither would I, and I don't know anything about hal that would let me formulate this into anything remotely resembling an intelligent effort to figure this out.
[05:46] <moshe> hmmm
[05:46] <moshe> where would I go to configure this?
[05:46] <supernix> moshe: I just tested it and it disapeared immediately and then reapeared after only 30 seconds
[05:46] <moshe> what disappeared?
[05:47] <supernix> the cd as I opened it and then reinserted it
[05:47] <moshe> in kde 3.3, there was a part of the sidebar that let me mount and unmount devices.  in kde 3.4, the media:/ doesn't let me do it.
[05:47] <moshe> media only shows my hard drive partitions.
[05:47] <ilba7r> in windows i used to click with the mouse on the file to execute it. Can i do that in kde?
[05:48] <moshe> depends on whether or not the file is executable, ilba7r
[05:48] <ilba7r> moshe i wrote a batch file and it is executable when i run it from a bash shel using ./jabref it runs
[05:49] <ilba7r> so how can i set it to run just by clicking on it
[05:50] <moshe> what does the script do?
[05:50] <moshe> it might need to be run in the shell
[05:51] <ilba7r> here is the script a single line java -jar /home/amr/bin/jabref/JabRef-1.8b2.jar
[05:51] <moshe> is JabRef-1.8b2.jar executable?
[05:51] <moshe> and is java in your path?
[05:51] <ilba7r> yap
[05:52] <ilba7r> moshe i made sure of all of that
[05:52] <moshe> should work, I would think
[05:52] <ilba7r> when i click on it an editor just open the file
[05:52] <moshe> hmmm
[05:52] <ilba7r> i used to put the files with .m extension or .x extension
[05:52] <ilba7r> and used to run on mandrake 9 do not know why with the new kde it is not working
[05:52] <moshe> gotta run
[05:56] <michael> Does anybody know where to get a .deb for Kurd?
[05:57] <ralph1> seth_k: hi
[05:59] <supernix> what do you use to read your email something that is Outlookish
[06:00] <supernix> Hiya seth_k
[06:00] <insanekane> supernix: i use Kmail/Kontact
[06:00] <insanekane> dunno if it is "outlookish" though
[06:01] <supernix> I like Kmail it just does not seem to do well at filtering emails
[06:02] <insanekane> it doesnt ?
[06:02] <insanekane> it works well for me
[06:02] <supernix> it does a better job than the Thunderbird that Ubuntu has released as the junk filter does not work at all but Kmail is still not filtering correctly and does not seem to be learning what to call spam and what not to call spam
[06:03] <insanekane> supernix: maybe you need to install spamassasin, bayesian filter
[06:04] <supernix> I do have bayesian filter installed as I recall but it does not show spamassasin but spamassasin is installed on my hosting server
[06:04] <insanekane> supernix: Tools->Anti-span filter
[06:04] <insanekane> Anti spam
[06:04] <insanekane> err
[06:04] <insanekane> Anti-spam wizard
[06:07] <supernix> insanekane: do you use the spam or ham buttons ?
[06:07] <insanekane> supernix: no .. i dont recieve spam (for some reason)
[06:08] <insanekane> for some reason i dont understand
[06:08] <insanekane> *but*, when i do (very rarely) spamassasin shows it
[06:08] <supernix> LOL insanekane what is your email addy I will forward you some of mine so you don't feel left out
[06:09] <insanekane> hehe :)
[06:09] <supernix> :D
[06:09] <insanekane> supernix: i do recieve a *lot* of spam on my @yahoo.com address though
[06:09] <supernix> My fiancee has a bad habit of filling out those sweepstake forms and she gets way more spam a day than I do
[06:09] <insanekane> LOOOL
[06:10] <insanekane> my financier (company financier) told me he hit a lottery after he recieved a 419 scam email
[06:11] <insanekane> he told me "all our problems are over"
[06:12] <TestMAD> my wife does that too..i get like 3-9 emails a day..she gets like 200+..all spam
[06:13] <insanekane> LOL
[06:15] <TestMAD> i need to learn some programming..and make some really kewl linux games
[06:17] <insanekane> TestMAD: python works well in Kubuntu ... and so does PyGame/ PySDL etc ... this works for smaller games
[06:17] <insanekane> not to mention, python is *very* easy to learn
[06:18] <TestMAD> im thinking liek fps, rts, and mmorpg games
[06:19] <TestMAD> how hard is it to port from mac to linux?
[06:20] <supernix> should I install the spamassasin ?
[06:20] <supernix> I thought it was for servers and such?
[06:24] <seth_k> hi ralph1, supernix
[06:26] <supernix> I thought that spamassasin was for servers to use to filter spam ?
[06:30] <ralph1> seth_k: well the install is going well, getting data back in place and need apps installed, however one app kmymoney2 version may force me to kill kubuntu off. I can not find a version 0.7.4 deb anywhere and the debian testing 0.7.2 which I could live with for a while has dependencies version problems and one missing dependencie
[06:30] <seth_k> ralph1: Let me check on that for you
[06:31] <ralph1> seth_k: Just do not know what to do will need a Kmymoney2 version running in a few days at the most.
[06:31] <The_Vox> supernix: you can use spamassassin on servers or on clients...I use it on my desktop to filter the mail that doesn't come by servers admin'ed by me
[06:31] <seth_k> ralph1: I am going to try to backport Debian's .7.2 for you
[06:31] <supernix> ok so I can use it with Kmail
[06:32] <seth_k> ralph1: oops, will have to wait until tomorrow though. ping me and remind me if I don't have it for you
[06:32] <ralph1> seth_k: Thanks for your help. This is vital for me. Version 0.7.4 is my target, but 0.7.3 would be better for me as it has some fix's i need.
[06:33] <seth_k> ralph1: have you tried it from source, using checkinstall?
[06:37] <ralph1> No, what I did was too download the 0.7.2 debian testing and tried to install, that is where I found one missing dependencie that was un installable and about 5 other that were worng version. I would try checkinstall but do not have devel packages install yet, that is on to do list after all data installed and needed apps installed and tested. Out side of this problem I like it, but this is killer. Need financial stuff now way arou
[06:37] <seth_k> i see
[06:38] <seth_k> well I will definitely work on getting you the debian version backported tomorrow
[06:38] <seth_k> but it is midnight here so no more for me tonight
[06:38] <ralph1> seth_k: Thanks for your effort.
[06:42] <seth_k> Dhraakellian: lamont, I believe is handling bzflag 2.0. Or was it lathiat...
[06:42] <seth_k> Dhraakellian: MOTUGLUTransition is not yet complete, so bzflag has not yet entered breezy
[06:43] <Dhraakellian> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/bzflag <--followed a link from bzflag.org
[06:43] <seth_k> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUGLUTransition
[06:43] <seth_k> yep, lathiat is handling bzflag as per MOTUGLUTransition
[06:44] <Dhraakellian> hmm
[06:46] <supernix> seth_k: is there any configurations I need to make to get spamassasin to work ?
[06:46] <seth_k> supernix: not sure. Your best bet is the manpages or documentation for spamassassin
[06:47] <supernix> ok ty
[06:53] <ralph1> supernix: Just install spamassassin, make sure you have a Spam folder, then use Anti-Spam Wizard to start spam filtering. Then occasionally open a termianl/konsole window and type "sa-learn --spam --dir /home/my directory/Mail/My Spam folder/cur" then hit enter and this will train spam. Also do not forget to make spam that ends in inbox as spam and move to spam folder.
[06:55] <seth_k> okay ralph1, I'm off. ping me tomorrow and i'll have you a .7.2 or .7.4 package. What is the website for KMyMoney?
[06:57] <ralph1> seth_k: Top of head kmymoney2.sourceforge.net
[06:58] <supernix> Do you mean a spam folder in kmail or in the home folder ?
[06:58] <seth_k> alright, I'll see about uupdating a .7.4 package too. See you tomorrow
[06:59] <ralph1> supernix: Spam folder in kmail list of folders.
[06:59] <supernix> I seriously would like to know why someone at ubuntu disabled the junk mail filter in Thunderbird
[07:00] <seth_k> supernix: it's disabled by default on all new Thunderbird installs, go to Junk Mail Controls to enable it iirc
[07:01] <ralph1> supernix: know idea why things are done the way they are done, I would like to see multimeda with out jumping thru hoops etc. but fact of life is I am learning how to jump kubuntu hoops and not complain much.
[07:10] <Mchonis> hi
[07:11] <Mchonis> anybody around to help a newbie with a kubuntu problem?
[07:13] <otep> ?
[07:14] <ralph1> Mchonis: What is your problem? You need to state it before any will know if they can help.
[07:14] <Mchonis> I can't get online.. I'm pretty sure I need to configure my "Network Settings"
[07:15] <Mchonis> but when I do it tells me to click "Administrator Mode".. and prompts me for a password
[07:15] <Mchonis> what is the password?
[07:15] <otep> enter the password for the normal user you created
[07:15] <ralph1> Mchonis: normally the password is your user password
[07:15] <Mchonis> hmm.. it doesnt work
[07:16] <otep> add the user to the /etc/sudoers, if im not mistaken
[07:16] <Mchonis> how do I do that?
[07:16] <otep> su
[07:16] <Mchonis> ?
[07:16] <otep> go to konsole
[07:17] <Mchonis> k
[07:17] <Mchonis> there
[07:17] <otep> type "su" then enetr the root password
[07:17] <Mchonis> k.. now i'm root@beboplaptop:/home/mchonis #
[07:17] <otep> then edit /etc/sudoers with any editor
[07:18] <otep> you can try: nano -w /etc/sudoers
[07:18] <otep> also try "man sudoers"
[07:22] <otep> uhmmm
[07:23] <Mchonis> ok.. I typed "nano -w /etc/sudoers" .. now it says This file MUST be edited with 'visudo' command as root. See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
[07:23] <i9o> eh.. gw kan gak ngerti b.inggris..!!!
[07:23] <otep> oh
[07:24] <otep> yes thats ok i think
[07:24] <i9o> hah..??
[07:24] <Mchonis> I have noooo idea wat i'm doin
[07:24] <i9o> what the hell is that..??
[07:24] <otep> i9o, have you experience in editing the /etc/sudoers?
[07:25] <Mchonis> I jus want my wireless card to work so I can go onlin
[07:25] <Mchonis> online**
[07:26] <otep> editing it with nano works for me
[07:26] <otep> what you _actually_ put in there is not my line
[07:27] <i9o> nope..
[07:27] <i9o> btw, ni sapa ya??
[07:27] <otep> we'd better ask the others
[07:27] <otep> ei ralph1
[07:28] <Ghetek> oy, i got a webserver question. just decided to come here b/c not getting too much of an answer at ubuntu. i get a 403 error when trying to access my web page. i know it has something to do with permissions. i dont have x or a window manager.
[07:45] <supernix> what would be the best way to add my windows fonts to Linux ?
[07:46] <supernix> I have them on another drive that is a sata that I have to mount manually and such
[07:52] <stibby> supernix: sudo mount /dev/whatever /mount/whatever
[07:52] <stibby> oh wait
[07:52] <stibby> no
[07:52] <stibby> supernix: there's an easier way
[07:52] <Jeezis> kubuntu is the best!
[07:52] <stibby> enable multiverse repositories on apt
[07:52] <stibby> and then type
[07:52] <stibby> "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[07:54] <stibby> Jeezis: yeah, i guess
[07:54] <stibby> Jeezis: a nice, clean version of gentoo has been tempting me, though
[07:56] <Jeezis> stibby: meh, a couple of guys have been trying to turn me to gentoo as well
[07:56] <stibby> i haven't tried it yet...too scared ;)
[07:56] <Jeezis> stibby: but i haven't been tempted, i just loooove debian based linux too much
[07:57] <Jeezis> and now kubuntu is my os for life:-p
[07:57] <stibby> Jeezis: i'm finding slight maintenance annoyances with kubuntu
[07:57] <stibby> don't say that so quickly
[07:57] <PurpleBlu> I am trying to download a theme for SuperKarama.  Liquid weather, but when I downlaod file, its says its resultion in currupt.
[07:57] <stibby> yeah, that happens sometimes
[07:57] <stibby> it works fine when i use firefox, though
[07:57] <Jeezis> stibby: yes, there was a period where the archives were messed up
[07:57] <stibby> Jeezis: no; other problems
[07:58] <Jeezis> stibby: oh?
[07:58] <stibby> yeah
[07:58] <TestMAD> nite all..
[07:58] <stibby> but its not really kubuntu's fault...
[07:58] <stibby> meh; nevermind
[07:58] <stibby> kubuntu works just fine
[07:59] <Jeezis> well, i can't say i didn't have my share of moments where i was ready to put my fist through my screen
[07:59] <stibby> what did you do? try and install something red-hat based? ;)
[07:59] <Jeezis> but now that i have it just how i want it...it is so beautiful
[07:59] <stibby> g'night
[07:59] <Jeezis> stibby: arg, my first linux foray was using red hat 9
[08:01] <PurpleBlu> what is a SKZ file?
[08:03] <PurpleBlu> ark is trying to open it up, but not letting me extract it
[08:16] <aspro> is it possible to install koffice 1.4 onto kubuntu hoary?
[08:18] <_frank> aspro: yeah looks at the topic
[08:24] <ralph1> How can I import my firefox bookmarks to konqi's browser?
[08:25] <PurpleBlu> when I downlaod a SKZ file it opens in Kate Text editor
[08:25] <PurpleBlu> can get it to stop
[08:25] <PurpleBlu> I want ti to open in ARK
[08:26] <martinjh99> Just installed Firefox and Thunderbird packages from mozilla.org - How do I make Thunderbird open links in Firefox?
[08:30] <martinjh99> Ralph>In Firefox's Bookmark manager export to HTML - In Konqi you can then import them...
[08:34] <ralph1> martinjh99: Sorry to be so much trouble but I do not see a import function for bookmarks in kde web browser.
[08:34] <martinjh99> Bookmarks Menu - Edit Bookmarks - File - Import
[08:35] <martinjh99> Then Import Mozilla Bookmarks
[08:39] <ralph1> martinjh99: sorry mine only has save, print and quit in it.
[08:40] <martinjh99> Hmmm not a clue then - What I said works in my Hoary 3.1.4 Konqi with the latest firefox...
[08:43] <ralph1> martinjh99: I am running Hoary, but have updated kde to 3.4.1. do not know what the problem is.
[08:47] <martinjh99> Me neither I'm afraid - Can't think of any other things to try either :(
[08:49] <ralph1> martinjh99: where does apt store it's files that have been downloaded and installed. I ask because I want to delete files and update/reinstall to see if it is better.
[08:52] <martinjh99> I think its /vat/cache/apt/archives
[08:52] <martinjh99> I think its /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:53] <ralph1> martinjh99: thanks
[08:55] <martinjh99> No worries Ralph :)
[09:10] <axis> how do i take a screenshot :X
[09:11] <axis> default app?
[09:11] <axis> or should i just get one
[09:11] <axis> Anyone know if there's a default app installed within Kubuntu to take screen shots?
[09:12] <nikkia> axis, like 'Screen Capture Program (KSnapshot)' in the graphics menu ?
[09:13] <axis> graphics, right, blind, thx
[09:14] <[Jon] > Hi all, if one of you have kubuntu 5.04 powerpc install could you seed the torrent everyone stuc on 71% and no seeders thank you
[09:14] <[Jon] > install dvd
[10:29] <sedeki> what do i need to apt-get if i want the standard headerfile manpages
[10:30] <ndray> can anyone help me?
[10:30] <ndray> i'm having troubles authenticating myself as root in the konsole
[10:31] <ndray> it says 'authentication failure'
[10:31] <m0ns00n> Is there a linux gfx channel somewhere?
[10:32] <Whiskers> how do i get nvidia hardware acceleration in kubuntu?
[10:32] <PieD> Whiskers: it is simple
[10:33] <PieD> in kynaptic, install the nvidia-glx package
[10:33] <Whiskers> already did that
[10:33] <PieD> check whether the restricted modules for your kernel are installed or not
[10:33] <Whiskers> and i restarted
[10:33] <PieD> then open a console, and do :
[10:34] <Whiskers> glxgears failed
[10:34] <PieD> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:34] <PieD> relaunch X
[10:34] <PieD> and it'll work
[10:35] <Whiskers> ok
[10:40] <epiloc> anyone using radeon or an ATI vid card?
[10:48] <epiloc> im getting about 900-1000 fps on glxgears after enabling 3d support
[10:48] <epiloc> running a radeon 9000 on a dell 2ghz laptop.  Just wondering how this measures up to other cards
[10:59] <nikkia> epiloc: 900-1000 fps isn't very high, i don't know how it compares to other software though
[10:59] <nikkia> epiloc: i get around 6000-9000fps on my GF6600GT, for comparision
[11:00] <nikkia> s/other software/software rendering/
[11:00] <epiloc> thats what i figured
[11:00] <epiloc> nikkia, is it normal for a laptop?
[11:01] <nikkia> epiloc: dunno, offhand
[11:01] <nikkia> epiloc: thats the problem, it could just be 'what you should expect' on a 3d accelerated laptop *shrug*
[11:03] <kakalto> many other dvorak ppl here?
[11:03] <kakalto> (random)
[11:05] <nikkia> kakalto: i use it sometimes
[11:05] <nikkia> depends on what i'm writing, i find it hopeless for coding
[11:05] <sedeki> anyone know where headerfile manpages are located at?
[11:05] <sedeki> in which package that is
[11:07] <kakalto> nikkia, interesting
[11:07] <nikkia> sedeki: manpages-dev
[11:07] <nikkia> according to apt-file anyway
[11:07] <nikkia> (did 'apt-file search open.2.gz' and got (among others) 'manpages-dev: usr/share/man/man2/open.2.gz')
[11:08] <sedeki> "apt-file" ?
[11:08] <nikkia> the other results were all non-english results, presumably the localised manpage packages include everything that has been localised, not just the basic manpages
[11:08] <nikkia> sedeki, yeah, a nice little util, tells you which package contains a given filename
[11:09] <sedeki> oh
[11:09] <sedeki> hm
[11:09] <sedeki> i dont have any manpages about my headers :(
[11:10] <sedeki> ah
[11:10] <sedeki> nevermind
[11:10] <sedeki> thanks
[11:16] <kakalto> how can I force umount?
[11:16] <kakalto> I know the cd's not being used, it won't umount
[11:20] <sedeki> umount -f i belive
[11:21] <kakalto> thanks
[11:21] <kakalto> device busy
[11:21] <kakalto> >_>_
[11:27] <fromoze> kakalto: may be you have konqueror opened in a directory of the device.
[11:28] <fromoze> kakalto: if any app will be using the device, it'll be busy.
[11:28] <kakalto> nope
[11:28] <kakalto> I have no konq open
[11:29] <nikkia> kakalto: tried using lsof ?
[11:29] <kakalto> nope, how?
[11:29] <nikkia> lsof | fgrep cdrom    might tell you, if 'cdrom' is in the pathname of your cd's mount point, which it probably is
[11:30] <kakalto> thanks, I'll try
[11:31] <kakalto> gam_serve ?
[11:33] <nikkia> its a file modification monitor thing i think
[11:33] <yifeng> anybody knows kubuntu root's password after installation ?
[11:33] <m0ns00n> yifeng: none
[11:33] <m0ns00n> yifeng: use the user password
[11:34] <m0ns00n> yifeng: sudo su **userpass**
[11:34] <m0ns00n> :-)
[11:34] <nikkia> m0ns00n: why not just suggest sudo -s ??
[11:34] <nikkia> sudo su is a complete waste of time
[11:34] <m0ns00n> nikkia: hold your horses
[11:34] <yifeng> m0ns00n: I have installed webmin for testing, with user password, access is denied !
[11:35] <m0ns00n> yifeng: ok, I don't know how webmin works
[11:35] <fromoze> nikkia: sudo -s is for nerds xD
[11:35] <m0ns00n> yifeng: but the ubuntu system is "rootless"
[11:35] <kakalto> is it alright if I terminate gam_serve ?
[11:37] <nikkia> yifeng: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-938.html
[11:37] <nikkia> follow the instructions to use the perl 'change password' program, near the end of the page
[11:37] <nikkia> kakalto: probably
[11:37] <kakalto> thanks
[11:38] <yifeng> nikkia: tks
[11:38] <nikkia> the problem with creating a root password for occasions such as those, is that in all likelihood, you'll forget you set a password for root, and that's not generally a good thing :)
[11:39] <nikkia> eg, 6 months down the road, you accidently paste your user password to irc, you change your user password after that, but have forgotten that you set a root password the same :)
[11:39] <kakalto> hehe
[11:43] <fromoze> nikkia: or wrost, you can say your rootpassword to your girl friend and when you quit her with her best friend forgot to change it xD
[11:48] <nikkia> its annoying that people are still writing OSS apps in this day and age!
[11:51] <marsh> can anyone tell me the dpkg-reconfigure package to edit to change my display settings?
[11:52] <marsh> and this Kubuntu thing isn't all it's cracked up o be, heh...
[11:52] <marsh> :(
[11:52] <fromoze> dysplay settings? low resolution do you mean?
[11:52] <marsh> not much of it actually works, does it?
[11:53] <fromoze> !display
[11:53] <ubotu> hmm... display is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto or ask !Resolution
[11:53] <marsh> nah - the X11 setup...
[11:53] <fromoze> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:54] <marsh> fromoze - close, but thats not installed - i had it yesterday... >:(
 its annoying that people are still writing OSS apps in this day and age! <-- huh?
[11:54] <fromoze> what isn't installed marsh ?
[11:55] <nikkia> Fra|way: OSS = 'Open' Sound System (a misnomer since OSS was shareware)
[11:55] <marsh> xserver.xorg, fromoze
[11:55] <kakalto> hehe
[11:55] <nikkia> Fra|way: realplayer 10/helixplayer *still* only uses OSS for its sound output, and thus locks the audio device
[11:55] <Fra|way> Aaaahh...
[11:55] <kakalto> >_>
[11:55] <fromoze> marsh: xserver-xorg is in kubuntu by defaults :/ I don't understand your question then...
[11:55] <Fra|way> I thought it you mean OSS as in Open Source Software :
[11:55] <kakalto> hehe
[11:56] <nikkia> wrapping it with aoss/artsdsp/esddsp works, IF its not embedded in a web browser
[11:56] <marsh> fromoze: hang on...
[11:56] <Fra|way> I haven't had problems with OSS myself.
[11:57] <marsh> fromoze: sorry - you were right - i put a . instead of a - :Grrr:
[11:57] <Fra|way> I use ALSA's OSS emulation
[11:57] <Fra|way> And haven't had problems
[11:57] <nikkia> Fra|way: alsa's emulation accesses hw:0,0 directly though, and thus locks all sound access
[11:57] <marsh> it's the frustration of replacing ubuntu - where everything works - for Kubuntu - where practically nothing does!!!
[11:57] <kakalto> lol
[11:58] <nikkia> no matter how you setup dmix ('aoss' accesses pcm.default, and thus doesn't lock sound access, but aoss doesn't work with everything)
[11:58] <fromoze> marsh:  O_o the base system is the same...
[11:58] <kakalto> marsh, ubuntu has twice the number of releases! :P
[11:59] <fromoze> kakalto: yes, twice the number or release but not yet a real desktop environment xD
[11:59] <marsh> fromoze: kakalto doesn't change the fact that it doesn't work! imho it should be advertised as testing
[11:59] <kakalto> fromoze, lol
[12:00] <kakalto> marsh, what's not working for ya? ask and you should recieve
[12:00] <marsh> fromoze: true, but like i say - it does work.... here i have no mouse wheel... no working media player...
[12:00] <fromoze> marsh: The theory will be, if ubuntu hoary works on your system, kubuntu will do too ..
[12:00] <kakalto> complainig gets nowhere fast
[12:00] <fromoze> marsh: are you usn amd64?
[12:00] <marsh> fromoze: theory is only theory - in practice my mouse doesn't work
[12:01] <marsh> fromoze: nah - i pIII 800
[12:01] <fromoze> marsh: my system works better on kubuntu than ubuntu :/ ...
[12:01] <marsh> fromoze: you jammy git!
[12:01] <fromoze> marsh: I don't understand 'jammy git'... :$
[12:02] <marsh> fromoze: lucky person ;
[12:02] <kakalto> jammy git: command not found
[12:02] <kakalto> <--- there ya go
[12:03] <kakalto> :P
[12:03] <fromoze> see you, must go shopping food
[12:04] <marsh> so, having tried for most of last night to get my mouse wheel working - can anyone offer any help?
[12:04] <marsh> I have reconfigured it in various ways...
[12:05] <marsh> it has always worked in every other release I've used (RH, Fed, Mandy & Ubuntu)
[12:05] <marsh> but not in Kubuntu
[12:05] <marsh> :(
[12:05] <marsh> and the Axis var is set to 4 5
[12:05] <marsh> ...?
[12:06] <nikkia> urrrrrgh
[12:06] <nikkia> i hate customers!
[12:06] <kakalto> hehehe
[12:06] <nikkia> they always have the silly idea of asking for changes right at the end of the project
[12:06] <kakalto> marsh, done much googling?
[12:07] <kakalto> nikkia, but ofcourse! :P
[12:07] <kakalto> marsh, seen this topic: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21038.html ?
[12:07] <nikkia> and as a result, i now have to go into the office tomorrow
[12:08] <nikkia> that's *twice* in a month, disgusting!
[12:08] <marsh> kakalto: I have... got the check for the 4 5 there, and the xorg-conf thing that I had to re-get just now to configure it (although just now was to fix the res), but everything says the same things, and according to them, my mouse works... >:(
[12:09] <kakalto> could you post your mouse section in #flood ?
[12:11] <kakalto> marsh?
[12:17] <maddwarf> hi all. got my kubuntu install back up n running after ruining my graphics drivers - dunno what i did wrong, but i reinstalled and it worked first time! 8o(
[12:18] <maddwarf> now I am looking for a new HTML editor. I have looked at Quanta+, and wanted to compare it with Bluefish, but I can;t see Bluefish in my Kynaptic repository
[12:19] <kakalto> have you enabled universe repositories?
[12:20] <maddwarf> do what?
[12:20] <kakalto> one moment please
[12:20] <maddwarf> I have not altered kynaptic at all
[12:21] <m0ns00n> maddwarf: Quanta blows bluefish away completely
[12:21] <m0ns00n> trust me
[12:22] <kakalto> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories <--- where it says "gedit", replace with "kate"
[12:22] <kakalto> OR
[12:22] <kakalto> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt
[12:22] <m0ns00n> maddwarf: To name one thing, can you work through fish:// or smb:// or ftp:// easily in Bluefish? No. Cuz it uses gnome's file diags.
[12:23] <maddwarf> don't need any of them, m0ns00n. but that's why i'm wanting to d/l it ... to compare them, see which i get along better with
[12:24] <maddwarf> just looking at those links
[12:28] <m0ns00n> maddwarf: I've tried most apps - despite some bugs, quanta TOPS them all
[12:28] <m0ns00n> :-)
[12:29] <maddwarf> quanta seemd to randomly crash out on my Slackware box. might be because the system wasn;t stable, but i had trouble with it
[12:29] <maddwarf> works fine in kubuntu so far tho
[12:29] <maddwarf> 8o)
[12:33] <maddwarf> what if the software i want is not in a repository?
[12:36] <nikkia> hmmm
[12:39] <maddwarf> hmmm ... problem with kate. won;t run. from cli I get "kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate: it probably crashed." from Menu, it tries to open and then fails, no error report, nothing
[12:39] <nikkia> there we go
[12:39] <maddwarf> was working a few days back
[12:43] <maddwarf> Oh great. now I crashed Kynatpic. went to re-install kate, and it asked for CD, which I don;t have handy - cancel doesn;t work, just brings the "ok/Cancel" dialogue back!!!!!
[12:44] <maddwarf> anyone seen this behavior before? any solutions?
[12:46] <nikkia> maddwarf: sort of
[12:46] <nikkia> maddwarf: i don't use GUI package managers, but have similar behaviour from aptitude
[12:46] <nikkia> maddwarf: just comment out the cdrom: source in /etc/apt/sources.list and it should go to the net for everything
[12:47] <maddwarf> ah, good call. it doesn;t solve the underlying issue, but should work
[12:47] <nikkia> the underlying issue is no doubt in apt
[12:47] <maddwarf> (BUT: i'm playing with kynaptic to re-install my text-editor (kate) !)
[12:48] <maddwarf> yes, i can use a diff. editor 8o)
[12:48] <nikkia> maddwarf: just use nano, vi, or something else, for this single edit :)
[12:48] <nikkia> its always good to learn basic vi operation for this sort of thing - its 'always' there :)
[12:49] <maddwarf> 8o)
[12:51] <maddwarf> ok that said it reinstalled kate - but it still won;t run
[12:54] <nikkia> what happens if you try to run it from a konsole window ?
[12:54] <maddwarf> I get "kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate: it probably crashed." from Menu, it tries to open and then fails, no error report, nothing
[12:54] <nikkia> yeah, its a pain...
[12:54] <nikkia> kate runs *once* and creates new windows when you run it again
[12:54] <nikkia> so you probably have a dead kate socket in /tmp that kate is trying to talk to itself via
[12:55] <maddwarf> this is the first run today. but my version, annoyingly, runs all documents in the same window
[12:55] <maddwarf> (if it runs at all!! grrrr)
[12:55] <nikkia> i'm not a fan of kate anyway
[12:55] <nikkia> but then, i'm an emacs user, so go figure :)
[12:56] <nikkia> (yes, i know gnuserv/emacs-server has the same behaviour, but i can turn it on/off and ignore it if i want :)
[12:57] <nikkia> maddwarf: i don't really do the editor wars :)
[12:57] <nikkia> i don't like most of the GUI editors, but thats my preference, and i'm aware others like them
[12:57] <maddwarf> as with everything, the best one is the one that you like/can use. 8o)
[12:58] <nikkia> (altho i run xemacs in gui mode, it is essentially just its own 'konsole' type window with a text mode editor inside :)
[12:58] <nikkia> maddwarf: tbh, i think the main issue i have with GUI editors, is colours...
[12:59] <nikkia> the GUI editors all seem to be designed to be black on white, and i find that hard to stare at for hours on end during a working day
[12:59] <nikkia> even if you change them to white on black, they never seem to feel quite right like that
[01:00] <maddwarf> i still play with the colours, get the right feel for the app.
[01:00] <nikkia> maddwarf: i don't mind coloured text, its just, the default 'black on white' of gui editors always seems to put too much emphasis on the background for my tastes
[01:01] <nikkia> (white tends to bleed into black, thus the text looks thinner and less distinct than it should)
[01:01] <marsh> hey guys. And so after another hour & 30 of messing around with my mouse configuration - the mouse wheel still deosn't work. Is this a common thing - there would appear to be loads of articles - but they all say the same thing!!!
[01:02] <maddwarf> marsh: yes, they all say the same. very common problem, usually very easy to fix.
[01:02] <nikkia> marsh: mice wheels can be a pain to setup, there's a large amount of trial and error to it if its not a simple mouse (3 buttons + wheel)
[01:02] <maddwarf> what mouse do you have?
[01:02] <marsh> the config is EXACTLY the same as it is in my other Ubuntu setup, (that came out od this machine) ad works at the moment in another machine of exactly the same spec - difference is, this on is using kde.
[01:03] <marsh> maddwarf: then why doesn't it work?
[01:03] <nikkia> if i had a comment to make about kde and mice, it'd be wtf doesn't konqueror support 'back button' on mice, when every other linux GUI browser does :)
[01:03] <marsh> nikkia: it is a simple mouse (3 buttons + wheel)
[01:03] <nikkia> marsh, odd, it should work with the config you find in all the guides
[01:04] <maddwarf> marsh: no idea. as i'm sure you've read 100 times "Option:   ZAxisMapping"    "4 5" has always worked for me
[01:04] <nikkia> marsh, its probably that you have the button mapping wrong, you can use xev to check which button code is being sent
[01:04] <marsh> nikkia - none of them - it works on ubuntu fine - but put a K in it & no joy.
[01:05] <marsh> maddwarf: tried it - and as a 7 button mouse - and explorerps/2
[01:05] <maddwarf> i've never got my extra buttons working (MS Explorer 5-button) but whell works
[01:05] <nikkia> marsh, run xev from a konsole, move the pointer into the square and move the mouse wheel up and then down
[01:05] <marsh> nikkia: i've tried it but can't seem to get xev to give me the details - it only gives window details?!?!
[01:05] <nikkia> see which button #s are sent, should be 4 and 5, but if its not working, chances are it'll be 2 and 3 or something
[01:05] <maddwarf> back when i played with Sinclairs and BBC Micros, I could read the serial port, see what was going on .... long time ago ....
[01:06] <nikkia> marsh, you have to put the pointer in the box, then do the mouse button you want to check
[01:06] <marsh> nikkia: there is no response from th mouse wheel
[01:06] <marsh> no numbers...
[01:06] <marsh> nothing
[01:06] <nikkia> you'll see some text like:
[01:06] <nikkia> ButtonPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x4400001,
[01:06] <nikkia>     root 0x131, subw 0x4400002, time 55052102, (47,28), root:(51,707),
[01:06] <nikkia>     state 0x0, button 4, same_screen YES
[01:06] <nikkia> in the konsole window
[01:07] <nikkia> see it says 'button 4' at the bottom, that was from a mouse-wheel-up event
[01:07] <marsh> nikkia: yeah - i have all that - but nothing from the mouse wheel...
[01:07] <nikkia> marsh, then i would guess you're using the wrong mouse driver
[01:07] <marsh> :(
[01:08] <marsh> nikkia: the mouse is working in ubuntu on another machine at the same time!
[01:08] <marsh> using exactly the same setup!
[01:08] <maddwarf> i'm gonna log of ffor a while, grab some food and re-address this kate-won't-run issue later. good luck with the mouse, marsh.
[01:08] <marsh> cheers maddwarf
[01:09] <maddwarf> thnx nikkia
[01:09] <maddwarf> byeeee
[01:09] <marsh> nikkia: what other drivers are there?
[01:09] <nikkia> marsh, well, I use 'ExplorerPS/2'
[01:09] <marsh> it's a standard netscroll optic mouse
[01:10] <marsh> nikkia: i tried it earlier - no joy
[01:10] <nikkia> marsh, which driver are you using now ?
[01:10] <marsh> Am i right in thinking that I only have to restart the x-system to change the drivers?
[01:11] <nikkia> in theory, yes
[01:11] <marsh> ImPS/2
[01:11] <nikkia> in practice, occasionally, X will set the mouse in the wrong mode, if the mouse supports more than 1 reporting mode
[01:11] <marsh> just changed back from explorerps/2 when i came on here
[01:11] <nikkia> in those situations, if its a USB mouse, sometimes replugging it will work, if its PS/2  you'll need to reboot
[01:12] <marsh> i tried XAxismapping 2 3 - and it worked - but not quite the way it should Hehehe
[01:12] <nikkia> should be "4 5"
[01:12] <nikkia> oh, XAxis?!?
[01:12] <nikkia> should be ZAxisMapping :)
[01:12] <marsh> but at least I got a scroll out of it - even if it meant losing the rest of my mouse
[01:13] <marsh> nikkia: or whatever it was called - i done it right - my memory just fails me a bit now cause I'm stressed :(
[01:13] <nikkia> marsh: http://pastebin.com/316910
[01:13] <nikkia> that's my config
[01:13] <marsh> yeah - sorry Zaxis
[01:15] <marsh> nikkia: exactly as mine is, but the comments are the other way round.
[01:15] <nikkia> marsh, yes, and the commented out lines *DID NOT WORK* :)
[01:16] <nikkia> you probably want 'Buttons 5' if  you don't have a 'back button' tho
[01:16] <TheNeXuS> moin
[01:17] <marsh> yeah - sorry - i do, and i have no 5 6 commented out.
[01:18] <marsh> hang on - I'll try a reboot
[01:20] <DarkSpy> is there a way to emulate a network on my own computer?
[01:22] <m0ns00n> DarkSpy: What do you mean?
[01:22] <m0ns00n> DarkSpy: Run a TCP/IP stack inside a program?
[01:22] <m0ns00n> DarkSpy: And only in that program?
[01:22] <marsh> nikkia: no joy :(
[01:22] <nikkia> strange
[01:23] <marsh> and it's still running fine when i switch over to the other machine
[01:23] <DarkSpy> I wanted to play with some networking programs like ethereal and ettercap, but I don't have a second computer in the lan to test
[01:23] <marsh> kubuntu = too many problems :(
[01:24] <DarkSpy> I was wondering if there was a program to emulate a lan
[01:25] <marsh> i have no working media player... no working mouse... some of the mouse icons are all messed up, and the windows like startup music that plays EVERY TIME i have started X and I can't find how to stop is making me want to punch something
[01:25] <marsh> Grrrrrr...
[01:27] <marsh> have to choose between the two evils.... k3b is fantastic!!!
[01:27] <marsh> but not available on ubuntu... :(
[01:28] <DarkSpy> marsh: control center -> sound & multimedia -> system messages
[01:28] <DarkSpy> something like that
[01:30] <marsh> DarkSpy: tried it - hit Turn off all Sounds - no joy - it still played like windows.... why do you guys have that windows noise???
[01:30] <marsh> Ubuntu has something a bit better
[01:30] <marsh> Kubuntu went with microsoft!!?!?!?
[01:32] <DarkSpy> just because it has a starting music theme?
[01:32] <wincide> m0ns00n:  Network Simulator
[01:32] <wincide> http://www.isi.edu/nsnam/ns/
[01:32] <marsh> DarkSpy: Ahhh.... I now have found the way to change/destroy it... thanks man....
[01:33] <wincide> m0ns00n: sorry :)
[01:33] <marsh> DarkSpy: a very similar one to m$.... almost a jingle...
[01:33] <DarkSpy> wincide: thanks
[01:33] <wincide> :)
[01:34] <marsh> DarkSpy: why not a sound (like Ubuntu) or a voice even (like Knoppix) That was original... that knoppix voice was great! Initiating startup sequrence"
[01:34] <DarkSpy> can I make networks with UML / Xen /VMware?
[01:34] <marsh> DarkSpy: who could knock that???
[01:34] <nikkia> marsh, urgh, the knoppix voice was horrible
[01:34] <DarkSpy> haven't used ubuntu don't know what the theme is like
[01:34] <nikkia> it stank of 'reticulating splines'
[01:34] <marsh> nikkia: Hehehhe
[01:34] <apokryphos> hey nikkia :)
[01:35] <marsh> nikkia: it was better than the 'jingle' option... surely!
[01:35] <nikkia> hi apokryphos
[01:35] <DarkSpy> in kubuntu is the kde default I think, so it's not really kubuntu fault
[01:35] <apokryphos> How are you today?
[01:35] <nikkia> marsh: i have no jingle, so i care not
[01:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: lousy, nasty headache
[01:35] <apokryphos> eek
[01:35] <marsh> why not make them quieter?
[01:35] <marsh> (if you gotta have a jingle)
[01:35] <apokryphos> nikkia: run around in circles singing -- it'll make it go away.
[01:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i doubt that :P
[01:36] <marsh> nikkia: do it out in the open!
[01:36] <apokryphos> Or hit your finger so it hurts real bad; the headache will be a thing of the past.
[01:36] <marsh> nikkia: it'll woirk then
[01:36] <nikkia> i feel even worse if i stand up
[01:36] <apokryphos> :s
[01:36] <nikkia> which suggests this may be part of my low bp problem
[01:37] <marsh> that was my mothers plan--- smack round the head... there - it doesn't hurt conpared with that, does it!
[01:37] <marsh> nikkia: coffee
[01:38] <marsh> but it's a bit superficial
[01:38] <apokryphos> marsh: your mum was cruel :P
[01:39] <nikkia> hmmmm, how odd
[01:39] <marsh> apokryphos: Hhmmm...
[01:39] <marsh> nikkia: odd?
[01:39] <nikkia> something is locking sound again,  but i see nothing in lsof's output
[01:41] <marsh> nikkia: sorry to hear it...
[01:41] <apokryphos> Odd. I don't know of another way to find out what's using it
[01:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: the only thing showing up is, oddly, firefox, having libartsdsp option
[01:41] <nikkia> option=open
[01:42] <nikkia> which is odd, because firefox never seems to *use* arts, but OSS directly
[01:42] <wincide> DarkSpy: if you can't use Network Simulator try scotty's tkined :) http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/scotty-tkined.html
[01:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: lsof /dev/dsp would that show only what's using OSS? With amaroK running I don't get anything, but maybe it's cos I'm using xine..
[01:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: my alsa is configured to use dmix, so amarok shouldn't lock sound here
[01:43] <nikkia> likewise xine, which is configured to use alsa
[01:43] <apokryphos> right
[01:43] <nikkia> so locked sound, pretty much exclusively means 'OSS access somewhere'
[01:43] <DarkSpy> wincide: just wanted to know all my options before installing something
[01:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: but if lsof /dev/dsp doesn't give anything...
[01:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: i keep toying with trying to modify snd-pcm-oss to use pcm.default instead of hw:0,0
[01:45] <nikkia> but i'm sure if its possible, someone would have done so, already
[01:46] <wincide> DarkSpy: i think the best way to know these programs is reading their description in the webs i gave you  :) i don know what you want to do
[01:47] <DarkSpy> play with sniffers, etc..
[01:47] <_jordi> hola?
[01:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: or you could make a revolutionary discovery :P
[01:47] <wincide> _jordi: try #kubuntu-es ;)
[01:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: sometimes you find that things like this are easy, but everyone just thinks 'if it worked, someone would have, already' :)
[01:48] <_jordiwin> wincide: thanks
[01:48] <nikkia> so noone has ever tried :)
[01:48] <wincide> DarkSpy: i think you must try both programs and decide by yourself
[01:48] <DarkSpy> ok thanks
[01:49] <DarkSpy> I'll try ns first seems more up to date
[01:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: at least i finally got my ip->hostname resolution working, and thus nickserv remembers me now :)
[01:51] <apokryphos> NickServer is definitely a male
[01:51] <apokryphos> *nickserv
[01:51] <nikkia> apokryphos: unfortunately, freenode's nickserv is broken with regards to access list containing IPv6 addresses
[01:52] <apokryphos> :|
[01:52] <nikkia> works with IPv4 addresses, or reverse-resolvable hostnames, but not with IPv6 ip addresses *shrug*
[01:54] <apokryphos> is this only a problem for freenode's?
[01:55] <hussam> what PCMCIA wifi cards are supported by kernel 2.6 without ndiswrapper or any 3rd party driver?
[01:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, nickserv seems to manage on other networks that are Ipv6 aware, whether its a problem with the services codebase that freenode use, or some configuration issue, i don't know
[01:56] <nikkia> hussam, my Orinoco cards definitely work
[01:57] <hussam> what's the model name/number?
[01:58] <nikkia> dunno, they just have 'Orinoco' on them in big white letters
[01:59] <hussam> that one works right out of the box without ndiswrapper?
[01:59] <nikkia> yes
[01:59] <nikkia> it uses the 'orinoco_cs' module
[02:00] <hussam> nikkia: you only did modprobe orinoco_cs ?
[02:00] <nikkia> hussam, i did nothing, it is auto-detected
[02:04] <hussam> nikkia, what if I install a Orinoco now. will it be automatically loaded on reboot or do I have to load the driver myself. I donno how Kubuntu deals with new hardware.
[02:05] <nikkia> hussam, assuming CS knows about it, it should be loaded 'instantly', and will start looking for a wlan to connect to
[02:05] <hussam> nikkia: what's CS ?
[02:06] <nikkia> card services
[02:06] <nikkia> its a daemon that linux runs that handles PCMCIA plug n play
[02:07] <hussam> but it it doesn't for some reason, I can always do modprobe orinoco_cs ?
[02:08] <nikkia> if CS isn't running, modprobe'ing orinoco_cs won't work
[02:08] <nikkia> the _cs says its a card services driver :)
[02:09] <hussam> ok I got that
[02:09] <nikkia> check ps -ax and see if '/usr/sbin/cardmgr' is running
[02:10] <nikkia> if it is, and the card isn't detected, then card services doesn't have a mapping from the device manufacturer/id to a driver
[02:10] <nikkia> if you're *sure* you know what driver it should use, then you can create that mapping, but if you get it wrong things can go very bad :)
[02:10] <hussam> I still haven't bought a card. but if Orinoco works for you, I'll get one too. I might be switching to wireless soon.
[02:13] <nikkia> orinoco and other prism chipsets work great, but they tend to be 802.11b only, and aren't very easy to find these days
[02:13] <nikkia> most places sell 802.11g cards now, and most of those require closed-source drivers or ndiswrapper (or just don't work at all with linux)
[02:46] <_stef> Im looking for the software scanner and infrared in KDE controlcenter. Does anyone know how I can install that? Igoogled alot but I wwas not able to find necessary information about it. Can someon help?
[02:49] <jjesse> hmm looking and i can't find it out to help you
[02:50] <_stef> it seems itis abit difficult to install it afterwards . I dont know wich package I need
[02:50] <_stef> and where to get it
[02:55] <_stef> I'm wondering cause I have this stuff with the liveCD but not after a Kubuntu instalation
[03:03] <_stef> no one knows what I need?
[03:05] <dgtl> hi everyone
[03:05] <jjesse> hiyga dgtl
[03:07] <dgtl> i can't wait for plasma to take shape soon :)
[03:10] <dgtl> btw... is it possible to remove the animation in the taskbar when launching a program?
[03:10] <dgtl> it looks hideous
[03:17] <apokryphos> dgtl: in the quicklaunch? Sure; right-click -> Configure panel
[03:20] <dgtl> ok thanks
[03:22] <dgtl> ehm... where is it located... or called?
[03:59] <ashen> yeau
[04:00] <ashen> I'm nearly maybe going to use kde
[04:00] <ashen> I've raped out all of the bloating and uglyness...
[04:00] <ashen> but I have a question
[04:00] <ashen> is there any way to fix kde's horrible draw speed/style
[04:00] <ashen> it seems to do everything very... chunkily
[04:01] <ashen> ???
[04:02] <ashen> ...wow... channel is dead!
[04:02] <ashen> *cries*
[04:08] <apokryphos> ashen: draw speed?
[04:09] <apokryphos> (Kleenex, of course)
[04:10] <ashen> haha
[04:10] <ashen> yessims
[04:10] <ashen> uhm
[04:10] <ashen> the whole thing draws chunkily
[04:10] <ashen> slowly
[04:10] <ashen> it easily runs into slowdown
[04:10] <ashen> and its not... smooth
[04:11] <ashen> I mean, Gnome is smooth.
[04:11] <ashen> Windows isn't anywhere near as smooth as that
[04:11] <ashen> but its still smoother than KDE
[04:12] <ashen> *sniff* talking to myself again
[04:16] <ashen> hrmmm
[04:16] <ashen> is there some sort of kde system monitor
[04:16] <m0ns00n> Yes
[04:16] <m0ns00n> CTRL+escape
[04:16] <ashen> ah
[04:16] <ashen> cool
[04:17] <m0ns00n> I don't know why everyone says Gnome is so much smoother than KDE
[04:17] <m0ns00n> I feel it the other way around
[04:17] <ashen> really
[04:17] <ashen> ?
[04:17] <ashen> hrmmm
[04:17] <m0ns00n> Yeah
[04:17] <ashen> I want to see your system
[04:17] <ashen> :p
[04:17] <m0ns00n> The only thing is that QT is not double buffered
[04:17] <m0ns00n> I also run kde VERY smoothly on my PIII 500mhz
[04:17] <m0ns00n> 192 mb ram
[04:17] <m0ns00n> 196
[04:18] <ashen> hrmmm
[04:18] <ashen> I think
[04:18] <ashen> I'm out of memory
[04:18] <m0ns00n> 192..
[04:18] <ashen> wtf
[04:18] <m0ns00n> No
[04:18] <m0ns00n> You're not
[04:18] <m0ns00n> The memory is just managed
[04:18] <m0ns00n> It's always like that
[04:18] <ashen> ahg
[04:18] <m0ns00n> When something new runs, it's allocated over.
[04:18] <ashen> so... 479 of 512?
[04:18] <m0ns00n> Yeah, ask yourself how KDE can run on 64 mb of ram
[04:18] <m0ns00n> if it should need 479
[04:18] <m0ns00n> :-)
[04:19] <ashen> haha
[04:19] <ashen> yeh
[04:19] <ashen> uhm
[04:19] <ashen> one other thing
[04:19] <ashen> I have some processes running...
[04:19] <ashen> 2 "gdm"
[04:19] <m0ns00n> ok
[04:19] <ashen> 2 "gconfd-2"
[04:19] <ashen> it seems to me those shouldn't be running
[04:19] <m0ns00n> I have gvonfd
[04:19] <m0ns00n> gconfd
[04:19] <m0ns00n> But no gdm
[04:20] <m0ns00n> Try to kill it and see what happens
[04:20] <apokryphos> gdm shouldn't be killed... that would log you out if you used it to log in, I think
[04:20] <m0ns00n> Not if you run KDM
[04:20] <m0ns00n> :-)
[04:20] <ashen> how do I get root permissions on this ctrl-backspace jazz
[04:20] <apokryphos> m0ns00n: hence the "if you used it to log in"
[04:20] <m0ns00n> ashen: You don't
[04:20] <m0ns00n> ashen: With kdesu I guess
[04:20] <ashen> I'm not allowed to kill gdm
[04:20] <m0ns00n> Ok
[04:20] <apokryphos> ashen: did you log in with gdm?
[04:20] <m0ns00n> Then you're using it
[04:21] <m0ns00n> ashen: do: "sudo apt-get install kdm"
[04:21] <ashen> yeh, but why would I have 2 copies open?
[04:21] <ashen> O_o
[04:21] <m0ns00n> ashen: Then gnome stuff will go away
[04:21] <m0ns00n> :-)
[04:21] <m0ns00n> Or
[04:21] <apokryphos> ashen: how did you install Kubuntu?
[04:21] <ashen> through synaptic
[04:21] <m0ns00n> aha
[04:21] <ashen> over natural ubuntu
[04:21] <apokryphos> ashen: what package
[04:21] <ashen> kubuntu
[04:21] <m0ns00n> ashen: I did the same thing
[04:21] <apokryphos> ashen: you should have installed kubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <apokryphos> there is no "kubuntu" package
[04:21] <m0ns00n> ashen: But first: "apt-get remove gnome*" then "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[04:22] <ashen> heh... not sure if I wanna kill gnome yet
[04:22] <apokryphos> that'll keep GTK stuff -- not sure if he wants that
[04:22] <m0ns00n> Then alas
[04:22] <m0ns00n> You have gdm etc
[04:22] <m0ns00n> :-)
[04:22] <ashen> hrmmm
[04:23] <apokryphos> ashen: if you want to get all the packages that come with Kubuntu you will have to sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <ashen> *opens synaptic... or the kde one*
[04:23] <ashen> ah
[04:23] <ashen> no.
[04:23] <ashen> I have kubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <apokryphos> Oh ok, then you just don't have kdm as your default DM
[04:24] <apokryphos> you can change that, if you want to, by doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[04:24] <ashen> my first install was broken (like... nothing in the config thing... etc.) so I reinstalled the package... some things didn't download
[04:24] <apokryphos> ashen: did you add the latest repository?
[04:24] <ashen> latest repo?
[04:24] <ashen> which one?
[04:25] <apokryphos> !kde341
[04:25] <ubotu> methinks kde341 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[04:25] <ashen> nope
[04:26] <ashen> just installed it from what I had ^_^"
[04:26] <apokryphos> It's a good idea to add that one, then re-install kubuntu-desktop
[04:27] <ashen> will do
[04:27] <ashen> but while I'm doing that
[04:27] <ashen> is there any way I can make this thing smoother
[04:27] <apokryphos> what are your computer specs?
[04:28] <ashen> hrmmm... Geforce 6600 (with latest NVIDIA drivers), Athlon1800 (1.533Ghz), 512Meg Ram...
[04:28] <PieD> what isn't smooth ?
[04:28] <ashen> KDE
[04:28] <PieD> what exactly ?
[04:28] <apokryphos> It definitely shouldn't be running slow then. Type "top" in konsole and see what's hitting high up there
[04:28] <apokryphos> PieD: moving windows etc I think
[04:29] <ashen> okay... when I move this window around
[04:29] <PieD> moving windows isn't only a KDE job
[04:29] <PieD> it is also related to the X server
[04:29] <ashen> all the other windows underneath loose their contents, then when I let go it takes...
[04:29] <apokryphos> PieD: his GNOME is fine though
[04:29] <PieD> ok
[04:29] <ashen> 2 seconds to draw all of them
[04:29] <apokryphos> ashen: hit top and see what's shooting up, then
[04:29] <ashen> nothing
[04:29] <PieD> did you enable translucency ?? it is the only way I know to do that
[04:29] <ashen> oh
[04:30] <ashen> wait... lemme check when I move the windows
[04:30] <spike> hi there
[04:30] <apokryphos> ashen: to have translucency you would have had to have manually set it up, so you'd know about it...
[04:30] <spike> apt-get remove amarok -> amarok amarok-arts amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine kubuntu-desktop ....
[04:30] <spike> that looks *BAD*
[04:30] <apokryphos> spike: it's not
[04:31] <spike> ah
[04:31] <ashen> I dont want transulsency
[04:31] <ashen> hold on
[04:31] <apokryphos> spike: kubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package -- not a real one. It depends upon other things
[04:31] <ashen> its Xorg thats taking a death
[04:31] <ashen> so maybe my Xorg is set up with something that doesnt like kde... gonna look at it
[04:31] <ashen> hold on
[04:31] <apokryphos> I guess we can wait till you have 3.4.1 and we'll see if the problem persists
[04:31] <spike> apokryphos: k, tnx, removing then
[04:31] <ashen> whats kde's simple text editor
[04:32] <apokryphos> spike: what audio player are you using instead? :P
[04:32] <apokryphos> ashen: kate/kwrite
[04:32] <PieD> ashen: kedit
[04:32] <ashen> k
[04:32] <spike> apokryphos: trying to compile 1.3 :)
[04:32] <apokryphos> Heh, yeah, I guess taht's simpler.
[04:32] <spike> current one doesn't work :(
[04:32] <apokryphos> spike: oh ok, cool. I did too -- works great. :)
[04:32] <ashen> both kate and kedit crashed
[04:32] <spike> I have loads of probs, and web radios don't work at all
[04:33] <PieD> a bit more evolved : kwrite (add syntax highlight for instance)
[04:33] <ashen> well... kedit could not be found
[04:33] <apokryphos> ashen: are you using sudo?
[04:33] <spike> apokryphos: cool, in case I'll bug you a bit then :)
[04:33] <m0ns00n> wierd
[04:33] <ashen> mhmm
[04:33] <PieD> kedit isn't installed by default
[04:33] <ashen> something weird is going on
[04:33] <ashen> ah
[04:33] <spike> apokryphos: the new one seems awesome, with the stuff from wikipedia and editable playlists!
[04:34] <apokryphos> spike: they sure are :). Few other little things around... I'm just waiting till Breezy to have PyKDE properly so I can have fun with more amaroK plugins
[04:34] <spike> I was struggling to get the latter
[04:34] <ashen> updating now
[04:34] <m0ns00n> Is the Geforce 4MX issues still with the newest nvidia drivers?
[04:34] <spike> apokryphos: how did u get it compiled? I was going to do an apt-get build-dep amarok and then trying the configure/make/make install
[04:34] <m0ns00n> I'm stuck with 1.6111 I think
[04:35] <apokryphos> spike: that should do it, yup.
[04:35] <ashen> I have the Xinerama Serverflag
[04:36] <ashen> uhrm
[04:36] <ashen> what else
[04:36] <apokryphos> spike: can't remember if I had to compile other things... not sure. Make sure when you configure it wants to make the musicbrainz plugin etc
[04:36] <apokryphos> what else what? :)
[04:36] <ashen> actually... my xorg.conf is a little weird right now... I've set up a dodgy 2 screen system
[04:36] <ashen> but
[04:36] <ashen> gnome still works fine
[04:37] <ashen> I dont have compositing on or anything...
[04:37] <ashen> (*shudder* I had an experience with KDE and compositing once... never again)
[04:38] <apokryphos> Compositing is real nice here, and reasonably smooth. I just don't need it for everyday computer-using, so don't have it at the mo
[04:38] <apokryphos> KDE customizations for it from kcontrol are real cool though
[04:38] <ashen> hrmmm
[04:38] <ashen> I'm starting to think I should reinstall ubuntu with kubuntu just to see what a fresh install is like
[04:38] <ashen> haha
[04:39] <apokryphos> You could, but there's not much need. I always had Ubuntu first here
[04:39] <apokryphos> had it from back in the day when KDE was in Universe ;-)
[04:39] <ashen> back in the day
[04:39] <ashen> ^_^
[04:40] <Fra|way> http://moon.google.com/ <-- Google is mooning us. :o
[04:40] <jjesse> grin that's been on all the sites today
[04:41] <jjesse> nothing special :)
[04:41] <qbit> anyone know if OpenOffice.org package in kubuntu is created *without* Java support?
[04:41] <apokryphos> qbit: if it's not OOo2, then it should be
[04:41] <qbit> it's the old one, 1.1.x
[04:42] <apokryphos> qbit: no java then, yes.
[04:42] <qbit> in tools->options->~/security the "Enable" button has no effect and the "Browse" Classpath button is greyed out
[04:42] <ashen> xconf --> clean.
[04:43] <ashen> 13 minutes to go on my update
[04:43] <qbit> ok - i guess that's why the jndbc drivers won't work when they do with resin....   -   thanks
[04:43] <ashen> everything is A-OK
[04:44] <ashen> except this chunkyness
[04:44] <nikkia> hmmm, apokryphos?
[04:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: you don't happen to know wtf to find libsystray4j.so do you?
[04:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: no idea, sorry. :|
[04:45] <nikkia> i'm puzzled, tbh
[04:46] <nikkia> azureus has a systray icon... but uses libsystray4j to do so, apparently...
[04:46] <ashen> doesn't sound like the sort of naming that would come in a well made package-- perhaps some system tray applet?
[04:46] <nikkia> yet other java apps don't see it, and libsystray4j is nowhere to be found on my system
[04:46] <apokryphos> a locate for libsystray4j doesn't show anything for me; tray-icon seems to be fine though
[04:46] <apokryphos> heh, yeah.
[04:47] <nikkia> ashen: its a system tray access for java thing
[04:47] <ashen> ah
[04:47] <nikkia> provides generic KDE/Gnome system tray functions
[04:47] <qbit> maybe it's compressed up in a .jar file somewhere
[04:48] <nikkia> qbit, i'm not sure you can use .so files from a .jar
[04:48] <qbit> i did an ldconfig -p |grep libsystray and don't see it anywhere either    <-hoary + kde 3.4.0 though
[04:48] <apokryphos> could try your luck in #azureus
[04:48] <qbit> oh - yes lol
[04:49] <apokryphos> I find that channel a little silly; that channel is for developers, and they have #azureus-users for users...
[04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: you misunderstand
[04:50] <nikkia> azureus works, that's not the issue
[04:50] <nikkia> i'm trying to run jPodder, which also uses systray4j
[04:51] <apokryphos> Gathered that... but they'd likely know how it uses systray4j
[04:51] <ashen> wow... KDE doesn't looks so bad after a bit of tweaking
[04:52] <ashen> (I suppose this is the wrong place to make that comment)
[04:53] <ashen> is there any way to increase the padding of the taskbaramajigger?
[04:54] <ashen> and are there keyboard shortcuts for navigating the pageR?
[04:55] <nikkia> ashen: yes
[04:56] <nikkia> ashen: i think they're undefined by default tho, but there should be shortcuts for it in kcontrol
[04:57] <ashen> k
[05:05] <ashen> unpacking update!
[05:05] <ashen> woot
[05:09] <ashen> bbs (time to restart x
[05:09] <ashen> )
[05:10] <teprrr> ummmmmmmmmmmmm, there's no modconf in ubuntu?!
[05:26] <Ashen> yay
[05:26] <Ashen> its working marginally better
[05:27] <Ashen> I think I know what the problem is
[05:27] <Ashen> for some reason whenever I start my computer I need to reinstall the nvidia drivers
[05:28] <|rockinnerd|> Ashen, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -e nvidia
[05:29] <Ashen> ...
[05:29] <Ashen> that... checks through my xconf for the word nvidia?
[05:29] <|rockinnerd|> yes
[05:29] <Ashen> no, I literally have to rebuild the module each time I start my computer
[05:30] <|rockinnerd|> oh.
[05:30] <Ashen> each time I restart the module is gone o_o
[05:30] <|rockinnerd|> did u apt-get it?
[05:30] <Ashen> nope
[05:30] <Ashen> apt-get crashes my card
[05:30] <Ashen> I use the nvidia installer
[05:30] <Ashen> tho that shouldn't be a problem
[05:30] <nikkia> Ashen: i had some weirdness with beep like that
[05:30] <|rockinnerd|> weird, apt-get works for me
[05:30] <nikkia> each time i rebooted, beep lost all of its plugins, and i had to recompile them
[05:30] <Ashen> did you say beep, or did one of our irc clients censor you?
[05:31] <Ashen> ^_^'
[05:31] <nikkia> then, one day, it just stopped happening
[05:31] <nikkia> Ashen: i said beep, as in 'beep-media-player'
[05:31] <Ashen> haha
[05:31] <Ashen> I dont know what that is
[05:31] <Ashen> is it any good
[05:31] <Ashen> ?
[05:31] <nikkia> a fork of xmms
[05:31] <bbailey> "better xmms"
[05:31] <Ashen> ah
[05:31] <nikkia> far more reliable, xmms crashes every 10-20 minutes for me :)
[05:31] <Ashen> haha
[05:32] <Ashen> I've taken to using Amarok
[05:32] <Ashen> melikes it
[05:32] <nikkia> ashen, i like amarok...
[05:32] <nikkia> but not enough of my media is in mp3 to be able to bear it
[05:32] <Ashen> hrmmm... why not use the xine engine?
[05:32] <Ashen> doesn't that support... lots of formats?
[05:33] <nikkia> ashen, because it still doesn't make the collection work with anything but mp3
[05:33] <Ashen> or recompile gstreamer by default.
[05:33] <Ashen> thats a lie...
[05:33] <nikkia> and amarok without the collection system == useless :)
[05:33] <Ashen> I've played flac, wma and ogg
[05:33] <nikkia> ashen, its not, i've tried it, it only scans and adds my mp3s
[05:33] <Ashen> O_O
[05:33] <nikkia> it doesn't pick up on my m4a, flac or ape files
[05:33] <Ashen> :S
[05:33] <Ashen> strange
[05:33] <Ashen> you lodged a bug?
[05:34] <nikkia> the latest beta does find them...
[05:34] <Ashen> ah
[05:34] <nikkia> but adds them all as artist="", album="", track=""
[05:34] <Ashen> well then next version should
[05:34] <Ashen> heh
[05:34] <nikkia> which kind of makes it impossible to browse
[05:34] <Ashen> yeh
[05:34] <Ashen> still, I prefer amarok, as a player, to winamp.
[05:35] <Ashen> and winamp is... the player to beat
[05:35] <nikkia> i never liked winamp
[05:35] <nikkia> QCD was always my player of choice on windows
[05:35] <Ashen> heh
[05:35] <Ashen> never used QCD
[05:35] <Ashen> I used a couple
[05:36] <Ashen> winamp is just small, and kept playing my trax when windows crashed
[05:36] <Ashen> ^_^
[05:36] <Ashen> which was alot
[05:36] <Ashen> (yay windows)
[05:37] <Ashen> hrmmm... considering switching from gtk to qt in my coding...
[05:37] <Ashen> considering
[05:38] <Ashen> is there any fast development stuffs for qt interfaces?
[05:38] <nikkia> you know its GPL not LGPL, right?
[05:38] <Ashen> QT?
[05:38] <nikkia> yeah
[05:39] <Ashen> gtk is lgpl?
[05:39] <nikkia> yeah
[05:39] <Ashen> oh... yeh... you can buy open liscences
[05:39] <Ashen> I might be able to make friends with someone from trolltech and get a free liscence. (mehehehehe)...
[05:39] <nikkia> ashen, i doubt it
[05:39] <Ashen> but right now I'm not building to sell, or hold the code
[05:40] <nikkia> fair enough, just wanted to be sure you were aware
[05:40] <Ashen> mhmm
[05:40] <nikkia> and trolltech is rather annoying about it...
[05:40] <Ashen> aparently its got many advantages
[05:40] <Ashen> are there any other alternatives?
[05:40] <nikkia> if you write it against GPL, but before releasing decide you want to sell, you can't just buy a license :/
[05:40] <Ashen> really O_o
[05:40] <Ashen> wtf?
[05:40] <nikkia> you have to have a license from day 1, or release it as GPL
[05:41] <Ashen> thats stupid
[05:41] <nikkia> ashen, and probably not legal, but its what they claim
[05:41] <Ashen> plummeting respect for trolltech
[05:41] <Ashen> having one of their offices in my city made them #1 goodness... I feel so betrayed
[05:41] <Ashen> ^_^
[05:42] <Ashen> What other choices do I have for interfacing standards to work with?
[05:42] <Ashen> APIs
[05:42] <Ashen> tings
[05:42] <Ashen> and things
[05:42] <nikkia> too many to list :P
[05:42] <Ashen> haha
[05:42] <Ashen> okay, whats yur fav
[05:42] <Ashen> ^_^
[05:42] <Ashen> what do you recommend
[05:42] <nikkia> seriously, theres about 10 X apis for every person on the planet :P
[05:42] <Ashen> rather
[05:43] <Ashen> haha
[05:43] <nikkia> *shrug* i don't do much linux GUI programming tbh
[05:43] <Ashen> mmm
[05:43] <Ashen> well that doesn't help
[05:43] <nikkia> generally, tended to use Xlib in the past, but i wouldn't recommend it :)
[05:43] <Ashen> fair enuf
[05:43] <Ashen> :)
[05:44] <Ashen> I like gtk, its fast to develop and its got nice C# bindings...
[05:44] <Ashen> buuut
[05:44] <Ashen> it looks... ugly in some systems
[05:44] <Ashen> that is... it doesn't translate as nicely as I'
[05:44] <Ashen> d like
[05:45] <Ashen> although... now that I look at some of my stuffs, its not THAT bad...
[05:45] <Ashen> I suppose...
[05:46] <Ashen> there are just so many shaddows
[05:46] <Ashen> I mean, if you're using widgets upon widgets...
[05:48] <Ashen> (which is probably not the best way to work anyway :p)
[05:49] <Ashen> what does amarok use?
[05:50] <nikkia> um, its a KDE app, thus, Qt
[05:50] <Ashen> mmm
[05:50] <Ashen> thought so
[05:54] <|rockinnerd|> anything else Ashen :-)
[05:56] <Ashen> haha
[05:56] <Ashen> actually, its running quite well now
[05:57] <Ashen> I'm starting to like KDE, now that I've erased the entire menu (which seems to spawn several hundred icons by default) and got rid of the background of the taskbar... and reduced the font sizes...and am using the clearlooks type theme default to 3.4
[05:58] <Ashen> the reason I wanted to change was I've been reading up on all the stuffs that they're planning for 4
[05:58] <Ashen> its very tempting.
[05:58] <Ashen> :)
[05:58] <Ashen> plus I liked the interfaces in amarok and k3b
[05:59] <Ashen> (which I used in gnome)
[05:59] <Toby> I have problems with raki, kde pda sync tool. Can anyone tell me in which chan I can get help?
[06:00] <|rockinnerd|> Toby, /join #kde
[06:00] <|rockinnerd|> then ask there
[06:00] <Toby> ok thx :)
[06:01] <Ashen> hrmmm... how do I get the little... left hand menu in konquerer
[06:02] <Ashen> ah
[06:02] <Ashen> found it
[06:03] <Ashen> "nav panel"
[06:03] <Ashen> hah! it puts amarok in there!
[06:04] <Ashen> heh... terminal emulator
[06:04] <Ashen> there are all sorts of neat things here
[06:04] <Ashen> :)
[06:07] <nikkia> ashen, and most of them totally useless :P
[06:07] <nikkia> Ashen: i remember when the finder replacement for OS X had a terminal emulation window built in, the usefulness of that lasted about 20 seconds too :)
[06:08] <hussam> how do I make a local mirror of an apt reposiroty?
[06:09] <spike> anybody running amarok?
[06:09] <frank_> I tried it but that's it
[06:10] <insanekane> spike: me
[06:10] <insanekane> spike: not at the moment though
[06:12] <Ashen> yup
[06:12] <Ashen> right now
[06:12] <Ashen> :)
[06:12] <Ashen> *waves convulsively*
[06:13] <insanekane> looks like we have an amarok fan(atic) here )
[06:13] <insanekane> :)
[06:17] <Ashen> ^_^
[06:17] <Ashen> you got a problem with that? *evil glare*
[06:17] <Ashen> heh.
[06:21] <Ashen> hehe... ubuntu has left this server
[06:25] <Ashen> does kde have like... a kde bit torrent client?
[06:25] <seth_k> Qtorrent
[06:25] <seth_k> !info qtorrent
[06:25] <ubotu> qtorrent: (BitTorrent client for QT 3.x), section universe/net, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 664 kB
[06:26] <Ashen> any good?
[06:26] <seth_k> never used it, I use Azureus
[06:26] <Ashen> mmm
[06:26] <Ashen> as do I
[06:26] <Ashen> but seeing as I'm getting all of this KDE stuffs
[06:26] <Ashen> :)
[06:26] <seth_k> heh
[06:27] <Ashen> wtf
[06:28] <Ashen> installing qtorrent requires me to remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:28] <Ashen> and firefox gnome support O_o
[06:32] <seth_k> what does it remove?
[06:32] <seth_k> methinks that it's not qtorrent doing the damage
[06:32] <seth_k> but something else is conflicting and apt is just now telling you about it
[06:33] <nikkia> i can't see how it'd be qtorrent
[06:33] <nikkia> its only deps are python and python-qt3
[06:48] <Ashen> oh well
[06:48] <Ashen> I need sleep now
[06:48] <Ashen> 'nite all
[06:48] <Ashen|Sleeping> (but I'm not gonna leave
[06:48] <Ashen|Sleeping> )
[06:48] <Ashen|Sleeping> (^_^)
[07:01] <eikke> whats the metapackage called to install kubuntu on top of ubuntu?
[07:03] <DarkSpy> kubuntu-desktop?
[07:04] <eikke> ty
[07:34] <jjesse> how come when i'm downloading a file thru konqurer it says 100% of 100% download and keeps downloading
[07:34] <jjesse> it says like 59.8 mb of 59.8mb download and keeps moving up
[07:40] <mikec> why can't i get anything to install.i open terminal and type sudo apt-get <package>. all i get is an error message. am i missing something
[07:47] <gianni> what error do you get?
[07:47] <mikec> no directory
[07:48] <gianni> shouldent it be sudo apt-get install <package>  ?
[07:48] <martinjh99> Can anyone tell me how to configure THunderbird to open links in Firefox?
[07:49] <mikec> yes i get the same message
[07:50] <gianni> i dont know then, sorry
[07:50] <mikec> thanks anyway
[07:51] <gianni> does anyone know how to execute a script when a user logs in?
[07:52] <martinjh99> Gianni .bashrc I think runs on login...  Not quite sure as there are different ways and means of getting a shell to run...
[07:52] <martinjh99> and more than one file that gets read depending on wether it is a login shell or not.
[07:53] <gianni> ~/.bashrc ?
[07:53] <martinjh99> Yup I think theres a systemwide /etc/bashrc as well but not sure.
[07:53] <gianni> ok, thanks
[07:54] <martinjh99> NO worries do a man bash to get more info on which files run at startup
[07:54] <scto> Strange i've an error with installing koffice1.4 :-/
[07:54] <scto> btw hi to all :-)
[07:55] <martinjh99> Hi
[07:55] <martinjh99> Can anyone tell me how to configure THunderbird to open links in Firefox?
[07:56] <scto> no sorry, i don't use thunderbird
[07:56] <scto> or firefox
[07:57] <martinjh99> Hey no worries I'll keep asking... Someones bound to know!
[07:57] <Riggzy_Linux> martin, I'm getting thudnerbird now so I'll have the same problem in a second ;-)
[07:57] <martinjh99> :)  Use them in Windows as well...  Uninstalled the Ubuntu versions and got 1.0.6
[07:58] <scto> does anybody know how to resolve apt/dpkg errors?
[07:58] <Riggzy_Linux> Will downloding the .run installer for Enemy Territory from one of those game file hosts work, or do I need some sort of Ubuntu-packaged version ;-)
[07:58] <Riggzy_Linux> scto, what errors?
[07:58] <martinjh99> Should work as long as it is the Linux version ;)
[07:58] <Riggzy_Linux> martin - good thinking
[07:59] <Riggzy_Linux> scto, can you pick out an error you;'re having?
[07:59] <scto> Riggy install troubles with unsermake from koffice, now dpkg tells me to run dpkg --configure -a but
[08:00] <scto> if i do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[08:00] <scto> i've the same error as before :-/
[08:00] <Riggzy_Linux> hmm
[08:01] <Riggzy_Linux> is it an ubuntu package?
[08:01] <scto> maybe a corupt unsermake package on the mirrors?
[08:01] <Riggzy_Linux> I installed a debian package yesterday, saved my ubuntu system by a hair
[08:01] <scto> Riggy yes official Kubuntu install with Koffice 1.4 from www.kubuntu.org
[08:02] <scto> package name unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:03] <Riggzy_Linux> weird
[08:03] <Riggzy_Linux> no idea =/
[08:03] <scto> yes :/
[08:03] <martinjh99> I dont think I had to get that package when I tried KOffice... ;)
[08:03] <scto> martin yes thats the prob, but how to uninstall ?
[08:03] <martinjh99> Scto> Tried that command it tell you to use?
[08:04] <scto> i try an sudo apt-get -remove --purge unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[08:04] <scto> martin yes, dpkg --configure -a
[08:04] <martinjh99> Hmmm no clue then...
[08:05] <scto> i'm not sure but theres a switch apt-get install -f or so hmm
[08:07] <Rhisc> hi
[08:07] <Rhisc> anyone home?
[08:07] <epiloc> hi
[08:08] <martinjh99> scto> Try apt=get install -f then... Can't make it any worse!!
[08:09] <Rhisc> hey i need some help
[08:09] <Rhisc> i just installed Kubuntu
[08:09] <Rhisc> this is my first time ever using linux
[08:09] <scto> hmm but if i do it, apt tries do reinstall the unsermake package and that fails :-/
[08:09] <Riggzy_Linux> Welcome :)
[08:09] <scto> Hi :-)
[08:09] <Rhisc> the boot loader wont let me boot windows
[08:10] <martinjh99> scto> Ahh right.. OK Not a clue after that!
[08:10] <Spiritual_Vagabo> hi, i have got a adsl router and wish to connect to the internet from KUBUNTU.
[08:10] <gigaclon> where did you install linux?
[08:10] <Riggzy_Linux> I think your installtions ego is too high ;-)
[08:10] <Rhisc> I installed kubuntu an another hd so to switch os i have to switch hard drives
[08:10] <scto> lol :-)
[08:10] <Spiritual_Vagabo> 2 days back someone had told me to do on the cmd line: sudo dhclient eth0
[08:10] <Riggzy_Linux> Spiritual_Vagabo, what router is it?
[08:10] <Riggzy_Linux> modem evn
[08:11] <Spiritual_Vagabo> it worked, but every time I switched off the modem, it stopped working
[08:11] <Riggzy_Linux> Spiritual_Vagabo, that would make sense
[08:11] <Spiritual_Vagabo> its a beetel dsl router
[08:11] <Spiritual_Vagabo> if u want I can show u the error that dhclent is outputing
[08:11] <Spiritual_Vagabo> if that would help
[08:12] <bufalo73> hello
[08:12] <Rhisc> hi bufalo
[08:12] <Rhisc> so... what should i do about the boot loader?
[08:13] <Rhisc> having to switch my hard drives around to boot differnt os's is really annyoing
[08:13] <Riggzy_Linux> Spiritual_Vagabo, if yuore connecting through the modem, and you turn it off, shouldnt the fact that it stops working be logical?
[08:13] <insanekane> Rhisc: edit the bootloader ... /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:13] <tiago> hi, im new to linux, how do i install deb archives under kubuntu?
[08:13] <Riggzy_Linux> Rhisc, is there anything about Windows in that file insanekane just mentioned?
[08:13] <Spiritual_Vagabo> true, but what I meant to say is that when i turn it off and on again, it dont work
[08:14] <scto> tiago local or remote?
[08:14] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:14] <tiago> local
[08:14] <Rhisc> umm what file?
[08:14] <tiago> its a window decoration
[08:14] <scto> sudo dpkg -i packaname.deb
[08:14] <scto> ups :-)
[08:14] <Riggzy_Linux> Rhisc, go into a console and type     sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:14] <Rhisc> oh
[08:14] <scto> packagename :-)
[08:14] <Rhisc> k
[08:14] <Spiritual_Vagabo> insanekane, but I thought kubuntu was suppose to do all that for me!
[08:15] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: dunno about that
[08:15] <Spiritual_Vagabo> this was 1 of the reasons y i plan to switch to kubuntu
[08:15] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: but if you wait a couple of months, im writing a wizard for it :)
[08:15] <tiago> how will it know which package to install?
[08:15] <insanekane> tiago: do you want to install a package from the net ? or do you have the package on you hard disk ?
[08:15] <Spiritual_Vagabo> cooooooool
[08:15] <Rhisc> it says communication problem with kate
[08:16] <Riggzy_Linux> Rhisc, hehe oops
[08:16] <scto> tiago change to the directory like cd /home/scto/...
[08:16] <tiago> its on my hard drive
[08:16] <insanekane> tiago: whats the name of deb file ?
[08:16] <tiago> akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb
[08:16] <Riggzy_Linux> Rhisc, try          sudo kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:17] <Rhisc> ah that works
[08:17] <frank_> sudo for kde apps is kdesu
[08:17] <scto> tiago-- sudo dpkg -i akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb
[08:17] <Riggzy_Linux> is there anything n there to do with windows?
[08:17] <tiago> thanx
[08:17] <Rhisc> yeah
[08:17] <Riggzy_Linux> (apart from the commented example at the top)
[08:17] <scto> :-)
[08:17] <tiago> dpkg: error processing akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb (--install):
[08:17] <tiago>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[08:17] <tiago> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:17] <tiago>  akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb
[08:18] <insanekane> Rhisc: btw, it is not easy to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst ... without knowing exactly what uou are doing
[08:18] <tiago> :-S
[08:18] <Spiritual_Vagabo> i cant wait 2 months, i need a solution asap
[08:18] <insanekane> tiago: if you do ls -la, can you see the file ?
[08:18] <Spiritual_Vagabo> its behaving very weird
[08:18] <insanekane> Spiritual_Vagabo: edit the /etc/network/interfaces ... and use "auto" .. to get more info on how to edit, and where to add auto, you need to do man /etc/network/interfaces
[08:19] <scto> tiago executed with sudo?
[08:19] <tiago> i dont see it with ls -la
[08:19] <scto> tiago wheres the package? directory name?
[08:20] <tiago>  /home/tiago/Themes
[08:20] <Spiritual_Vagabo> k
[08:20] <scto> tiago and where you are? tipe: pwd
[08:20] <Spiritual_Vagabo> wil do that when I reboot into kubuntu
[08:20] <Spiritual_Vagabo> thanx insanekane
[08:20] <insanekane> tiago: an additional thing ... it is entirely possible that this package may not work on kubuntu
[08:20] <tiago>  /home/tiago
[08:21] <tiago> :S
[08:21] <tiago> it worked in mepis >_< i just dubble clicka nd it installs
[08:21] <scto> :-) so do a sudo dpkg -i /home/tiago/Themes/akdc_1.0-3.2_i386.deb
[08:21] <tiago> does any one know what package mepis uses to isntall deb files?
[08:22] <tiago> scto:  thanx alot bro
[08:22] <scto> no prob :-)
[08:22] <tiago> it worked xD
[08:23] <tiago> is there any graphical way to do it?
[08:23] <scto> tiago yes kpackage
[08:23] <tiago> becouse im noob and used to windows... just dubble clicking things
[08:23] <tiago> ok cool thanx bro
[08:23] <scto> no prob :-) better to be an noob under linux than a pro under windows :-)
[08:24] <tiago> lol
[08:24] <tiago> indeed
[08:25] <insanekane> tiago: you can also look around in kde-apps for a .desktop file or Konqueror shortcut, which allows you to point-click install a deb file
[08:26] <scto> someone here installed Koffice 1.4?
[08:26] <tiago> oh cool
[08:26] <Whiskers> how do i enable the root account?
[08:26] <insanekane> Whiskers: you dont ... use sudo instead
[08:26] <frank_> !sudo
[08:26] <ubotu> from memory, sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:26] <tiago> how come linux dosent come by defult to employ alot of these point and click mods?
[08:27] <insanekane> tiago: not linux, you mean Kubuntu
[08:27] <tiago> lol there is a gui for a reason
[08:27] <scto> whiskers try sudo passwd root
[08:27] <tiago> yeah kubuntu
[08:27] <insanekane> tiago: its because it takes effort to maintain these things
[08:27] <tiago> fair enough
[08:27] <insanekane> tiago: if you are willing, you may contribute to the effort, by integrating the same into kubuntu
[08:27] <tiago> if i knew how i would
[08:27] <Whiskers> thank you scto
[08:27] <tiago> i still have alot to learn
[08:28] <scto> whiskers you're welcome
[08:28] <insanekane> tiago: indeed ... and isn't that the fun part ? ;)
[08:28] <scto> tiago me too :-)
[08:28] <tiago> but i do have faith in the future of linux and i will be happy to contribute where and how i can
[08:28] <tiago> yes... windows is boring ad some times frustrating
[08:28] <frank_> tiago: the way I see it, the people who develop are not the same people who think that would be useful. ;-)
[08:29] <Riggzy_Linux> Once you get over the initial setup of a linux system and are ready to use it as a productive system, it rocks
[08:29] <tiago> im more of a multimedia person... in that sence i would like to help make kde look far better then os x and longhorn
[08:29] <scto> riggzy yeah :-)
[08:29] <Rhisc> hey
[08:29] <Riggzy_Linux> wb
[08:29] <Rhisc> well it didnt work
[08:29] <Fra|way> tiago: KDE allows for quite a lot of customization, though.
[08:29] <tiago> its just a huge shame that adobe hasent seen the huge potential of linux
[08:29] <Riggzy_Linux> hehe
[08:30] <_mchonis> hey.. newb here needs help installing firefox
[08:30] <tiago> yeah the main reason im using kubuntu was for kde and xorg... xD drop shadows r0x0r!
[08:30] <jjesse> how do i change the path that an application  is looking for? for example eclipse is looking for java in a different location then i installed it?
[08:30] <insanekane> tiago: then perhaps you need to look at Plasma/Superkaramba/etc for KDE4
[08:30] <Fra|way> I never got drop shadows and transparency working on my ATi card
[08:31] <scto> jjesse try do to a softlink
[08:31] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm... acn anyone help rhisc? his grub wont elt him boot into winblows
[08:31] <frank_> !java
[08:31] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[08:31] <tiago> has kde 4 entered beta yet?
[08:31] <insanekane> jjesse: gnerally, Java is looked for with the JAVA_HOME environment variable
[08:31] <tiago> what does plasma do?
[08:31] <insanekane> tiago: its the next gen desktop system
[08:31] <tiago> awsome
[08:31] <tiago> is it avalible for kubuntu?
[08:32] <insanekane> tiago: with emphasis on new desktop metaphors, and astounding eye candy
[08:32] <tiago> cool
[08:32] <insanekane> tiago: dunno ... but superkaramba is
[08:32] <Fra|way> Any shots of KDE4?
[08:32] <tiago> i have had problems with superkaramba conflicting with xorg in mepis... i havent tryed in kubuntu
[08:33] <Fra|way> Luminocity looks pretty tight. ;)
[08:33] <tiago> i installed kpackage but im not to sure where it is or how to use it
[08:33] <Riggzy_Linux> Fra|way, that jelly-fied window system?
[08:33] <scto> tiago press the K-Button
[08:33] <edvardas> hello, am i able to run fvwm on kde?
[08:33] <scto> should be in system
[08:33] <Fra|way> I liked the wobbly window effect
[08:34] <Fra|way> In the end it's just pointless but I liked the look of it
[08:34] <tiago> its not there :S
[08:34] <tiago> it ran from run  command though
[08:35] <scto> ok :-)
[08:35] <scto> command rocks
[08:35] <Riggzy_Linux> How do ya change the default browser to firefox?
[08:35] <Riggzy_Linux> ie, for links in programs
[08:35] <insanekane> tiago: you can do simple math in Run Command like %+2
[08:36] <seth_k> Kcontrol, Riggzy_Linux
[08:36] <insanekane> err
[08:36] <insanekane> 5+2
[08:36] <tiago> arg.... it wont let me install a package using kpackage becosue the root password
[08:36] <tiago> what is kubuntus defult root password?
[08:36] <scto> theres no root acccount
[08:36] <insanekane> tiago: it doesnt have any
[08:37] <tiago> sigh
[08:37] <insanekane> tiago: to set one use 'sudo passwd'
[08:37] <scto> why?
[08:37] <tiago> i tryed my acount password and it dident work
[08:37] <scto> do a sudo passwd root
[08:37] <Riggzy_Linux> seth_k, anywhere specific? ;-) I had a search through earler
[08:37] <tiago> cool thanx for that
[08:38] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux: umm, KDE components methinks. I don't use kcontrol so don't remember exactly
[08:38] <scto> riggzy open konqueror
[08:38] <scto> go to settings:/
[08:38] <tiago> dpkg -i '//home/tiago/Themes/crystal_0.9.2-1_i386.deb' ;echo RESULT=$?
[08:38] <tiago> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[08:38] <tiago> RESULT=2
[08:38] <tiago> what does that meen?
[08:38] <scto> tiago kpackage is open
[08:39] <seth_k> 2 means "status database area is locked by another process" :P
[08:39] <tiago> thats what im trying to use to install it
[08:39] <Riggzy_Linux> seth_k, ah there it is ;-)
[08:39] <seth_k> Component Chooser :)
[08:40] <scto> tiago only kpacke open? no kynaptic synaptic ?
[08:40] <seth_k> yay, KMyMoney2 .7.4 backported to Hoary splendidly
[08:40] <seth_k> ralph1 will wub me
[08:41] <tiago> yeah its working now :P
[08:43] <scto> strange
[08:43] <tiago> does any one know any glassy black windows decorations?
[08:44] <Riggzy_Linux> gtkpod rocks... byebye iTunes!
[08:44] <Riggzy_Linux> tiago, try kde-look.org
[08:44] <tiago> yeah im on there
[08:44] <Riggzy_Linux> lol oops
[08:45] <tiago> lol my music sounds so clear under linux ^^
[08:45] <scto> grrr debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed
[08:45] <scto> tiango yeah open and free
[08:45] <Riggzy_Linux> fer some reason my rear-centre speaker wont work... I'm taking tis becasue Linux thinks I've using 5.1 instead of 6.1
[08:46] <insanekane> seth_k: where can i get it ?
[08:46] <insanekane> seth_k: kmymoney2 7.4 ie
[08:46] <insanekane> seth_k: kmymoney2 0.7.4 ie
[08:47] <tiago> rofl @ tiango
[08:47] <seth_k> insanekane: I backported it, it's uploading to my server now
[08:48] <Riggzy_Linux> ah, there's nothing like Bowie on XMMS streaming from my iPod ;-)
[08:48] <insanekane> seth_k: ok great ... i need it :)
[08:49] <scto> seth_k me too :-)
[08:49] <seth_k> i'll link it in about 5 minutes :)
[08:49] <scto> cool thanks
[08:49] <edvardas> hey, does app "fvwm" work on kubuntu?
[08:50] <scto> edvardas no clue
[08:51] <seth_k> Riggzy_Linux, you can use Konqueror + Flash if you wish
[08:51] <scto> how to i remove a package in apt cache?
[08:52] <Riggzy_Linux> I'll never be able to watch sbemails! lol
[08:53] <frank_> edvardas: do you know what fvwm stands for?
[08:53] <edvardas> mhm?
[08:54] <scto> fm window manager
[08:54] <frank_> fucking virtual windows manager
[08:54] <frank_> for real
[08:55] <frank_> well actually the first word is anything that starts with f like maybe fantastic
[08:56] <tiago> hey if i use a png for the panel background will it aprear translucent?
[08:56] <edvardas> and maybe like frank too ;}
[08:57] <Rhisc> hi
[08:57] <frank_> edvardas: never thought of that...  frank's virtual windows manager
[08:57] <edvardas> :}
[08:57] <seth_k> kMyMoney2 0.7.4 Hoary backport == http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/kmymoney2_0.7.4-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[08:57] <seth_k> one of you people that wanted it, try it out and see if it installs and runs properly please?
[08:58] <scto> seth_k thanks a lot
[08:59] <edvardas> my names of app's in Kmenu changed - now it's for ex Audio Player (amaroK) , but it was amaroK (Audio Player). how to change these names back?
[09:00] <Riggzy_Linux> edvardas, rightclick the K menu, "Menu Editor"
[09:00] <seth_k> no no
[09:00] <seth_k> It's rightclick panel, configure panel, Menus
[09:00] <seth_k> then choose Menu Item Format
[09:00] <edvardas> yeah
[09:00] <edvardas> i found it
[09:00] <edvardas> thanks a lot :}
[09:01] <tiago> sorry to be a pain, but can some one help me open videos under linux?
[09:01] <Riggzy_Linux> tiago, lol
[09:01] <Riggzy_Linux> hold on
[09:01] <tiago> i installed the w32 codecs and it was working in the past
[09:01] <Riggzy_Linux> what video are you trying to play?
[09:01] <tiago> like format?
[09:02] <Riggzy_Linux> yep
[09:02] <scto> jep
[09:02] <tiago> Totem could not play 'file:///mnt/downloads/Videos/Porn/Dirty Latina Maids - Keeani.wmv'.
[09:02] <frank_> lol
[09:02] <scto> lol
[09:02] <tommy> tiago : sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:02] <Riggzy_Linux> hehe
[09:02] <seth_k> scto, no problems, let me know if it works for you properly
[09:03] <scto> seth_k yes installing now :-)
[09:03] <frank_> tiago: you can try mplayer as well
[09:04] <tiago> oh it works in kafine player :D
[09:04] <tiago> arg why is that totom player comming up as defult?
[09:04] <frank_> right click properties to change default player
[09:07] <Rhisc> hey i was wondering if someone could help me with this
[09:08] <Rhisc> grub wont boot windows wx when i select it from the menu
[09:08] <Rhisc> *xp
[09:08] <Rhisc> so right now i have to change hard drives if i want to boot windows
[09:08] <seth_k> okay Rhisc
[09:09] <seth_k> can you paste the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com please :)
[09:09] <Rhisc> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/317232
[09:11] <edvardas> how to mount a HD?
[09:12] <insanekane> edvardas: sudo mount /dev/<partitionname>
[09:12] <scto> seth_k installed without any probs :-) thanks from a swiss guy :-)
[09:12] <seth_k> scto, cheers
[09:12] <Rhisc> ok pasted
[09:13] <insanekane> Rhisc: you also need to provide info on your partitions layout
[09:13] <scto> seth_k runs well, imported old project no probs thanks
[09:13] <Rhisc> ok... well its two separate hard drives
[09:13] <seth_k> Serial ATA drives both?
[09:13] <seth_k> or just the Windows drive
[09:13] <Rhisc> one has windows and the other linux
[09:14] <Rhisc> no the winodws one is sata and the linux one is ide
[09:14] <scto> seth_k do you know how to solve a probplem with dpkg?
[09:14] <edvardas> "mount: can't find /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"  - i get that when i try to mount a partition
[09:14] <seth_k> scto what's the problem?
[09:14] <edvardas> how to mount it properly?
[09:14] <insanekane> Rhisc: you probably need to change hda1 to sda1
[09:14] <Rhisc> ok
[09:14] <insanekane> edvardas: you need to edit /etc/fstab
[09:14] <scto> seht_k i've downloadet koffice from kubuntu deps and installed them locally with dpkg
[09:15] <Rhisc> let me try that i will be right back
[09:15] <scto> but i've recived some errors with unsermake
[09:15] <scto> koffice works well
[09:15] <insanekane> Rhisc: after changing, also do grub-install
[09:15] <insanekane> damn
[09:15] <scto> so my question, how to remove unsermake
[09:15] <seth_k> scto, why not use the Koffice repository? (Not that it matters now, but just curious)
[09:16] <ray_> koffice cant save or open .doc files right?
[09:16] <insanekane> seth_k: so, does the Koffice in the repository have krita ?
[09:16] <seth_k> scto, sudo aptitude remove unsermake should do it
[09:16] <seth_k> insanekane, no idea :(
[09:16] <scto> seht_k i've put the koffice repos in my sources.list a mirror here in ch, but apt-get update && apt-get upgrade wont upgrade my koffice 13
[09:16] <scto> ups 1.3
[09:17] <Riggzy_Linux> Hmm, I'm trying to build DeDRMS, and msc dosent seem to exist (even though i have monodevelop)
[09:17] <seth_k> you used the repos from this channel's topic?
[09:17] <seth_k> e.g. deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14 hoary-updates main
[09:17] <seth_k> ?
[09:17] <scto> yes as well
[09:17] <seth_k> ok :) well see my above comment about removing unsermake
[09:17] <seth_k> but no clue what else that might remove...
[09:17] <scto> seth_k yes
[09:17] <seth_k> unsermake is pretty important to KDE. It's like KDE's automake
[09:17] <scto> ok i'll try thanks
[09:18] <nmorse> Hey, what's this I see on Distrowatch about Ubuntu Lite?
[09:18] <seth_k> Ubuntu Lite is a target BreezyGoal
[09:18] <scto> seth_k but i can't install it
[09:18] <seth_k> Supposed to be Ubuntu in 150MB or something, for portable devices
[09:18] <seth_k> scto, oh, the errors are that it's trying to be installed and won't be?
[09:18] <scto> dpkg -i gives me errors
[09:18] <scto> seth_k yes
[09:19] <scto> i try do install but i recive errors
[09:19] <seth_k> have you tried sudo aptitude install unsermake ?
[09:19] <Rhisc> ok
[09:19] <Rhisc> that didnt work
[09:19] <ray_> so can koffice open word files or not?
[09:19] <insanekane> Rhisc: its because you didnt do update-grub or grub-install
[09:19] <Rhisc> oh
[09:19] <Rhisc> how do i do that?
[09:19] <insanekane> Rhisc: you can do a simple thing to test wether it works or not
[09:20] <scto> seth_k yes, errros about archive head
[09:20] <insanekane> Rhisc: what you do is, wait for the grub menu to show up
[09:20] <insanekane> Rhisc: move to the windows entry
[09:20] <scto> E: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/unsermake_20050618-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[09:20] <insanekane> Rhisc: instead of pressing Enter, press the 'e' key
[09:20] <seth_k> hmmmm scto
[09:20] <insanekane> then, move to the line with (hda1,0)
[09:20] <scto> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Ungltiger Dateideskriptor
[09:20] <insanekane> press 'e' again
[09:20] <insanekane> change it to (sda1,0)
[09:21] <Rhisc> i did
[09:21] <Rhisc> dosent work
[09:21] <insanekane> Rhisc: after changing it, press Enter, and then press b
[09:21] <Rhisc> oh
[09:21] <Rhisc> let me try that
[09:21] <scto> seth_k something for bugzilla?
[09:21] <insanekane> Rhisc: dude, read all my messages above, its a step by step process
[09:21] <scto> or to tell riddell?
[09:21] <Rhisc> ok
[09:21] <insanekane> idiot ... leaves without getting the full into
[09:21] <insanekane> info
[09:21] <seth_k> scto, first could you pastebin the whole output of sudo dpkg -i <<koffice stuff>>
[09:22] <scto> seth_k ok i do dpkg -i /home/scto/Destop/Koffice/*.deb
[09:22] <nmorse> So, anyone know how to get E17's current test version for Ubuntu?
[09:22] <nmorse> I saw the elive debian-based cd just now
[09:22] <scto> seth_k with sudo :-)
[09:23] <seth_k> nmorse, check the Ubuntu forums. Some guy in there packaged it
[09:23] <seth_k> nmorse, in the Breezy section, look for a thread about E17
[09:23] <nmorse> Thanks
[09:23] <Dested> Hey
[09:23] <ray_> does anybody else have fglrx issues with kubuntu
[09:23] <Dested> Im running Kubuntu right now, for the first time, and im lovin git
[09:24] <ray_> Dested: yeah i love it to
[09:24] <scto> sseth_k > scto@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Koffice$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[09:24] <scto> > (Lese Datenbank ...
[09:24] <scto> > dpkg: Ernste Warnung: Dateilisten-Datei des Paketes unsermake fehlt, nehme an, dass das Paket derzeit keine Dateien installiert hat.
[09:24] <scto> > 104456 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[09:24] <scto> > Vorbereiten zum Ersetzen von karbon 1:1.4.0-0ubuntu0hoary2 (durch karbon_1.4.0-0ubuntu0hoary2_i386.deb) ...
[09:24] <scto> > Entpacke Ersatz fr karbon ...
[09:24] <seth_k> ack scto
[09:24] <ray_> Dested: looks so much better on my lcd than ugly gnome
[09:24] <seth_k> I told him pastebin...
[09:24] <scto> sorry to all :-/
[09:25] <Dested> lol yeah ray
[09:25] <scto> seth_k to much output for the channel, flooding :-/
[09:25] <seth_k> scto that's why I said pastebin ;)
[09:25] <scto> seth_k what do you mean with pastebin
[09:25] <scto> ?
[09:25] <ray_> does anybody else have fglrx issues with kubuntu
[09:25] <Fra|way> I heard the best excuse not to use Gnome today
[09:25] <seth_k> scto, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:25] <nmorse> Like what, ray?
[09:25] <Rhisc> didnt work
[09:25] <Fra|way> "It's made by a ugly latino nerd"
[09:25] <Rhisc> i tried changing the number
[09:25] <Fra|way> an*
[09:25] <seth_k> scto, I'm sorry you didn't know about it
[09:26] <Rhisc> said there was an error parsing the number
[09:26] <Fra|way> That applies to all programs using GTK, apparently.
[09:26] <scto> :-) no prob, thanks for the link :-)
[09:27] <ray_> nmorse: it works fine for a while then it gets all choppy.....but if i install regular ubuntu then install kde on top of it it works fine?
[09:28] <scto> seth_k ok im on pastebin, put in the contend and pressed send :-)
[09:28] <nmorse> So it works fine if you just install KDE over Ubuntu, but not on Kubuntu?
[09:28] <scto> and now?
[09:28] <ray_> nmorse: yup
[09:28] <nmorse> that's really odd
[09:28] <ray_> nmorse: i dont understand it because im getting the same exact fglrx driver
[09:29] <nmorse> I'd just stick with Ubuntu plus KDE then\
[09:29] <nmorse> I don't know what would cause that though
[09:29] <scto> seth_k http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/317260
[09:29] <scto> :-)
[09:29] <nmorse> Do you install kubuntu-desktop when you install kde on Ubuntu?
[09:29] <seth_k> nmorse, that's the easiest way
[09:29] <scto> seth_k but it's in german :-/
[09:29] <seth_k> scto, it's ok, the pattern is still familiar
[09:30] <ray_> nmorse: no
[09:30] <nmorse> You just install kde then?
[09:30] <scto> seth_k not much info in the output
[09:30] <nmorse> So one of the programs kubuntu-desktop depends on must be causing the problem
[09:31] <ray_> nmorse: yeah
[09:31] <nmorse> Hmm
[09:31] <ray_> nmorse: but i do get the kubuntu-deafault-settings
[09:32] <scto> seth_k dpkg tells something about memory exception
[09:32] <nmorse> We may need to check what packages you have installed versus what kubuntu-desktop installs
[09:33] <ray_> nmorse: yeah...im gonna try to reinstall and see....i will be back
[09:34] <seth_k> scto, ugh, I have little idea
[09:35] <Dested> this is so wierd
[09:35] <Dested> im using winvnc to connect to machine thats running in vmware on the same commputer
[09:36] <scto> seth_k me too, sound like a damaged package
[09:37] <scto> seth_k strange that im the first with this prob
[09:38] <seth_k> scto, go ahead and put it on Bugzilla. If you can, provide an English translation of the dpkg error message... that will help ;)
[09:39] <scto> seht_k ok how to chage dpkg to english?
[09:39] <scto> change
[09:39] <insanekane> scto: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[09:40] <scto> insanekane doesnt work
[09:41] <insanekane> do that, and try the dpkg command again
[09:41] <insanekane> or do
[09:41] <insanekane> sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 dokg -i.....
[09:41] <insanekane> sudo LANG=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i.....
[09:41] <insanekane> also try
[09:41] <insanekane> sudo LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i.....
[09:42] <seth_k> scto, the translation of that message is something like "unexpected end of file?" maybe a bad package...
[09:42] <scto> changeseth_k exactly
[09:43] <nmorse> Be back in a few minutes, hopefully in E17
[09:43] <seth_k> scto, let me try installling that package
[09:43] <scto> insanekane sudo: LC_ALL=en.UTF-8: command not found
[09:43] <insanekane> its not a command
[09:43] <scto> seth_k ok, should i upload them to your server?
[09:43] <insanekane> maybe try
[09:44] <seth_k> scto, worked fine for me installing
[09:44] <insanekane> sudo 'LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 dpkg -i...'
[09:44] <seth_k> scto, maybe try getting a fresh copy?
[09:45] <scto> seth_k no
[09:45] <scto> insanekane doesnt work
[09:45] <scto> same error
[09:46] <scto> seth_k downloadet from ftp://ftp.solnet.ch/mirror/KDE/stable/koffice-1.4/kubuntu/pool/koffice
[09:46] <seth_k> scto, http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice14/ try there
[09:46] <edvardas> why does konqueror crashes so often?
[09:46] <seth_k>  /pool/unsermake
[09:47] <seth_k> and get that deb
[09:47] <insanekane> scto: ok ... then your only option is
[09:47] <seth_k> edvardas, are you running KDE 3.4.1 ?
[09:47] <insanekane> scto: su
[09:47] <edvardas> seth_k: 3.4.0
[09:47] <insanekane> scto: and then export blahblah
[09:47] <insanekane> scto: and then, dpkg -i
[09:47] <seth_k> edvardas, then upgrade. It fixes *many* crashbugs
[09:47] <edvardas> how to upgrade it to 3.4.1
[09:47] <edvardas> ?
[09:47] <frank_> that's right mine hasn't crashed since I upgraded
[09:47] <seth_k> edvardas, click the link in the /topic for instructions
[09:47] <scto> seth_k ok downloading
[09:48] <scto> insanekane ok i'll try :-)
[09:49] <scto> seth_k strange your package works :-)
[09:49] <seth_k> scto, bad package
[09:49] <seth_k> :)
[09:49] <scto> bad mirror
[09:49] <seth_k> yep
[09:49] <seth_k> go ahead and file a bug and tell them the unsermake deb on that mirror is bad
[09:49] <seth_k> or I will for you, if you like
[09:49] <scto> i'll do surely :-)
[09:50] <seth_k> ok :)
[09:50] <scto> seth_k we can do both :-)
[09:50] <insanekane> ok ciao all
[09:50] <seth_k> no, duplicate bugs are bad, I kill them when I see them ;)
[09:50] <seth_k> bye insanekane
[09:50] <scto> bye insanekane
[09:50] <scto> seth_k you're right
[09:51] <scto> do you know how to change the output from apt to english?
[09:51] <seth_k> nope
[09:52] <seth_k> yep
[09:52] <seth_k> export LC_MESSAGES=en_US
[09:52] <scto> must be something with export
[09:52] <scto> with sudo ?
[09:52] <seth_k> dunno
[09:52] <seth_k> try without first
[09:52] <mpmc> Is there a Mixer for Kbuntu.. Like Gnome?
[09:52] <Riddell> mpmc: kmix?
[09:52] <scto> i'll try
[09:52] <seth_k> mpmc, kmix
[09:52] <mpmc> It never seems to work.
[09:54] <scto> seth_k yes without sudo :-) thanks dude :-)
[09:55] <scto> seth_k can i change this with sudo permanently?
[09:56] <seth_k> scto, you don't want your Kubuntu in German?
[09:56] <seth_k> if so, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:56] <seth_k> and pick English
[09:56] <scto> seth_k yes, completely in english :-)
[09:56] <seth_k> ah, that'll do it then!
[09:57] <mpmc> When I try and use the OSS engine in Amorak.. It says it always in use.
[09:59] <scto> seth_k thx :-)
[10:00] <scto> mpmc maybe kill arts ?
[10:00] <scto> not sure
[10:00] <edvardas> to instal kde 3.4.1 i should type apt-get instal kde? :}
[10:01] <seth_k> edvardas, did you add the source found in the link?
[10:01] <edvardas> yeah
[10:01] <seth_k> edvardas, then type "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade"
[10:01] <seth_k> and you're done :)
[10:01] <seth_k> (no quotes)
[10:02] <edvardas> thnx seth_k ;]
[10:07] <edvardas> can i open text files with sudo (like in gnome sudo gedit..) ?
[10:09] <seth_k> what do you want to edit them with?
[10:09] <seth_k> a gui app, or just a console app?
[10:09] <edvardas> whit Kate
[10:09] <seth_k> console: "sudoedit /the/file.name"
[10:10] <seth_k> kate: "kdesu kate /the/file.name"
[10:10] <edvardas> i don't want to edit them with console ;]
[10:10] <edvardas> ok, thanks ;]
[10:10] <seth_k> you must use kdesu with kate or it will crash :)
[10:11] <scto> seth_k thx and bye to all
[10:11] <edvardas> bye scto
[10:11] <seth_k> bye scto
[10:12] <edvardas> i typed "sudo kdesu kate" and it gived me some errors and at then said that kate probably crashed
[10:12] <edvardas> :}
[10:13] <seth_k> no sudo
[10:13] <seth_k> just "kdesu kate"
[10:13] <edvardas> mhm
[10:16] <not> Nice trick. Seth: why does it ask for _my_ password, not root's? I'm already logged in, duh. And who has permission to do "su"?
[10:16] <seth_k> not, anyone in the sudoers file (which is just your account unless you change it)
[10:17] <seth_k> not, [K] Ubuntu does not use a root account. It is disabled by default.
[10:17] <seth_k> So the only way to run things with root permissions is to provide your password
[10:17] <seth_k> this makes it easier on new users; they don't have to have 2 passwords to remember
[10:17] <seth_k> also, it increases security because any attacker will normally go after the root account in an exploit
[10:18] <seth_k> !rootsudo
[10:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:18] <edvardas> i put debs of kde 341 to my sources.list, type sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade, but it doesn't find any new packages to upgrade
[10:18] <edvardas> :/
[10:19] <seth_k> edvardas, what line did you put in your sources.list?
[10:19] <edvardas> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[10:19] <edvardas> this one
[10:19] <gigaclon> im installing Firefox 1.0.6
[10:20] <edvardas> 1.0.6??
[10:20] <gigaclon> yeah
[10:20] <edvardas> is it released?
[10:20] <gigaclon> but the installer is weird
[10:20] <gigaclon> yeah
[10:20] <seth_k> gigaclon, I wouldn't do that
[10:20] <gigaclon> www.mozilla.org
[10:20] <ubuntu> hey, is there something i'm not getting or does kubuntu have a problem with applying the gateway settings from KDE CC?
[10:20] <seth_k> gigaclon, going around apt package management is a Bad Thing(tm)
[10:20] <seth_k> gigaclon, you should wait for the security backport.
[10:21] <seth_k> edvardas, right click panel, Help, About KDE... make sure you are not running 3.4.1 already ;)
[10:22] <gigaclon> the copy of firefox that I have is broken
[10:22] <gigaclon> it can't install any plugins
[10:22] <seth_k> !firefox
[10:22] <ubotu> Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes from addons.mozilla.org, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub from "1.0.2" to "1.0.4"
[10:22] <seth_k> ;)
[10:22] <seth_k> that's a crappy ubotu though... i'll change it
[10:23] <edvardas> seth_k: it's 3.4.0 :}
[10:24] <seth_k> ubotu forget firefox
[10:24] <ubotu> seth_k: i forgot firefox
[10:24] <seth_k> ubotu firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. Firefox on warty is version 1.0.4 backported.  To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"
[10:24] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[10:26] <edvardas> which is better amaroK or XMMX ?
[10:26] <fromoze> seth_k: does ubotu have different memos for each channel ?
[10:26] <seth_k> fromoze, no
[10:27] <seth_k> bah, I messed up that firefox thing too
[10:27] <fromoze> edvardas: amaroK for sure
[10:27] <seth_k> ubotu forget firefox
[10:27] <ubotu> seth_k: i forgot firefox
[10:27] <seth_k> ubotu firefox is not the newest version available as seen on mozilla.org. However, all the security fixes are "backported" into Ubuntu's version. So although your Firefox is up-to-date, its version number is lower than the current release. To install themes or extensions, type "about:config" into your address bar and change general.useragent.vendorSub to "1.0.6"
[10:27] <ubotu> seth_k: okay
[10:27] <seth_k> there we go
[10:27] <seth_k> sorry for botspam
[10:28] <gigaclon> now I can't get Java to install for anything
[10:28] <gigaclon> I have tried everything
[10:28] <seth_k> did you install a mozilla.org firefox package?
[10:29] <gigaclon> no
[10:29] <seth_k> then the instructions at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java should work
[10:29] <gigaclon> but they don't
[10:29] <gigaclon> i install the package thru synaptic and still doesn't work
[10:31] <edvardas> bye to all
[10:41] <jjesse> i have as well
[10:41] <jjesse> followed the instructions posted but receive an error
[10:44] <mchonis> hi.. I need help installing firefox
[10:44] <mchonis> I downloaded the tar.gz file from mozilla.org
[10:44] <mchonis> but when I extracted the files and tried to run the installer, nothing happens
[10:45] <jjesse> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox instead