[09:39] <fernando_> join #turbogears
[09:48] <Gamarok__> guys i had a question any one know when the next lts will be out
[09:48] <bazhang> Gamarok__, should be 10.04
[09:49] <Gamarok__> oh thanks bazhang
[10:04] <seraphim> hello..... some online ? I have problem with the clipport.... sometimes it work, sometimes not !
[10:48] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know?
[10:50] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <Ryann> How can I install the b43-fwcutter for KDE4, anyone know how?
[10:53] <FloodBotK1> Ryann: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:16] <shadeslayer> i need to mount the mem stick in my sony camera,how do i do that?
[11:18] <BruceLeeds> hi, ich habe eine reihe jpg's die ich ausdrucken möchte
[11:18] <BruceLeeds> damit die aber nicht ewig brauchen, will ich die erst in pdfs umwandeln
[11:19] <BruceLeeds> das funktioniert mit convert und pdftk aber nicht so recht, weil die pdf seiten winzig klein auf den blättern und damit auch nachher auf dem papier sind
[11:19] <BruceLeeds> was kann ich tun?
[11:19] <bazhang> !de
[11:20] <BruceLeeds> ups sorry
[11:21] <traumschule> Isch hebb 'n Problem!.. Mein Linux - es überlebt den Auflösungswechsel kurz vorm Anmelden nur im Kaltstart; sonst friert die Anzeige an diesem Punkt ein und es steht ein verkrüppelte Version des Bildes auf dem Schirm, das ich beim letzten Einfrieren auf dem Schirm hatte. Nach dem Einfrieren reagiert der Rechner überhauptnichtmehr, startet jedoch nach Stromabdrehen wieder klaglos - und friert erneut ein, wenn man nicht lange genug g
[11:21] <traumschule>  hat. Ein parallel installiertes Windows zeigt keine vergleichbaren Probleme. Kann mir jemand das Problem erklären? und vielleicht am besten noch Hinweise zur Behebung/Umgehung geben?
[11:22] <BruceLeeds> traumschule: das ist ein englischer kanal
[11:22] <bazhang> !de | traumschule
[11:22] <traumschule> :-D
[11:22] <traumschule> sorry
[11:23] <traumschule> I'm not familiar with my new IRC client yet...
[11:23] <bazhang> traumschule, which one
[11:24] <traumschule> Quassel - but that's not the actual problem...
[11:24] <bazhang> okay, what is the problem traumschule
[11:24] <traumschule> (wait - I'll try to translate my german help request...)
[11:24]  * shadeslayer is wandering about google hitting roadblocks everywhere :)
[11:29] <shadeslayer> anyone who can help me with a DSC T70?
[11:32] <traumschule> My Linux - it survives the change of display resolution that takes place right before you can log in only with a cold start; otherwise the whole system freezes at this point with a distorted version of the screen that was on the display at the last freeze. System doesn't react anymore but reboots without problems after cutting power - but freezes again if the power wasn't off long enough. Windows doesn't show similar things. Can somebo
[11:32] <traumschule>  explain the problem? and maybe give hints on how to fix it?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> traumschule: i basically need to mount the mem stick inside the camera
[11:33] <shadeslayer> but i cant
[11:34] <traumschule> :-) I basically wasn't talking to you - but...
[11:34] <bazhang> traumschule, which video card and driver
[11:34] <shadeslayer> traumschule: oh,sorry... :P
[11:35] <bazhang> traumschule, is this ati and fglrx
[11:35] <traumschule> em - em - the free one...
[11:35] <bazhang> radeon?
[11:35] <traumschule> and - I think it's ati
[11:36] <bazhang> traumschule, try lspci in konsole
[11:36] <traumschule> yes - think so - but I'm trying to check to be sure...
[11:36] <bazhang> best to be certain traumschule :)
[11:37] <traumschule> yes - Radeon 9000
[11:37] <bazhang> traumschule, and this is jaunty? with desktop effects enabled?
[11:37] <traumschule> and no non-free driver installed - so it should be fglrx - right?
[11:38] <bazhang> traumschule, does hardware drivers show the proprietary one in use?
[11:38] <traumschule> jaunty - desktop effects: I didn't change anything there since installation...
[11:39] <Mamarok> traumschule: fglrx *is* the proprietary driver
[11:39] <traumschule> fglrx is the proprietary one?
[11:39] <Mamarok> the free driver would be radeon
[11:39] <traumschule> no proprietary drivers in use here...
[11:39] <traumschule> well - then it's radeon, I guess...
[11:40] <phar0z> does anonyone have experience here with setting up a Ethernet HD Powerline Adapter on Linux?
[11:40] <Noisia> Don't suppose anyone can try to help me with a very daft, very vague question about themes?
[11:40] <traumschule> the graphix card is some years old...
[11:40] <Mamarok> traumschule: well, fglrx is default on Jaunty if it detects an ATI card that is *officially* supported by the ATI driver, even if it's not :(
[11:40] <Mamarok> !ask | Noisia
[11:40] <Mamarok> phar0z: same for you, just ask
[11:41] <traumschule> the computer is five years old but since the graphic card died some time ago I replaced it with an even older one
[11:42] <traumschule> maybe ATI doesn't support it anymore - however: it's the free driver.
[11:42] <Noisia> I saw a theme on someone's laptop today that I quite liked. I didn't get the name of it, just that it was on 9.04, had a dark-grey and white colour scheme with an oval motif in the title bar of windows, and, according to the owner of the laptop, it was a default theme.
[11:42] <Mamarok> traumschule: that is most likely, use the free radeon driver
[11:43] <Mamarok> Noisia: depends which KDE version he is using
[11:43] <traumschule> well, I guess I am using it already...
[11:43] <Mamarok> dark would be Oxygen for KDE 4.0-4.2, light would be Air for KDE 4.3
[11:44] <Noisia> I assume it was 4.2
[11:44] <Mamarok> Noisia: then it's Oxygen
[11:45] <Mamarok> but there is no oval in the title bar, he must have had a strange screen setting, there is a circle :)
[11:48] <Noisia> Sorry, I know it's vague, but that doesn't appear to be it. The grey was darker, and the "oval motif" is perhaps better described as a rounded rectangle that enclosed text in the title bar. Thanks for your help though.
[11:49] <Mamarok> Noisia: well, the easiest would be to ask your friend?
[11:49] <Mamarok> guessing is rather difficult
[11:49] <Mamarok> if it is really default, then it is Oxygen in KDE 4.2.x
[11:50] <piotrek> o so tu kurna chodzi
[11:51] <Noisia> Were the person not a lecturer who was covering the one class for a sick staff member who I asked in passing at the end of the lecture, I'd find out easily. I guess I'll keep guessing elsewhere, lest I draw anymore condescending ire.
[11:54] <Mamarok> piotrek: English, please
[11:59] <piotrek> english what ??
[11:59] <Mamarok> piotrek: this is an English channel, you have benn writing something not in English
[12:00] <Mamarok> been* even
[12:02] <puttu> hi
[12:02] <puttu> is there any one from india
[12:03] <Mamarok> puttu: this is an English speaking support channel
[12:03] <Mamarok> puttu: please do not send unsolicited PMs
[12:04] <puttu> i am not getting please tel me  what is it
[12:04] <Mamarok> puttu: do not query people if you haven't been asked to do so
[12:05] <bigjools> hi there.  Quassel is silent for me (KDE4.3 and 4.2), is it a bug or can it be configurably fixed?
[12:05] <puttu> okie
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks
[12:35] <Roey> hi
[12:35] <Roey> why does soundconverter give me errors like: MP3 unavailable: Perl module MP3::Info not found?  Which packages are missing??
[12:36] <lumm> mp3info
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Roey, sudo aptitude install libk3b3-extracodecs libxine1-ffmpeg
[12:36] <lumm> apt-get install mp3info
[12:36] <Roey> thank you so much
[12:37] <Roey> BluesKaj:  libk3b3-extracodecs is already the newest version.
[12:37] <Roey> libxine1-ffmpeg is already the newest version.
[12:38] <kucingoren> Hello
[12:38] <Roey> lumm:  mp3info is already the newest version.
[12:38] <kucingoren> where can i find a yahoo messager for kubuntu
[12:38] <kucingoren> please help me
[12:38] <Roey> BluesKaj, lumm: it gives me that for a bunch of things:  ogg, mp3, etc.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Roey, try kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:40] <Roey> BluesKaj:  it installed, but soundconvert.pl still gives errors about he same thing
[12:41] <Roey> BluesKaj, lumm: http://pastebin.com/m2d454a86
[12:41] <BluesKaj> soundKonverter ?
[12:42] <Roey> BluesKaj:  nono, soundconvert.pl
[12:42] <Roey> er
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Roey, install soundKonverter
[12:42] <Roey> soundconverter.pl
[12:42] <Roey> BluesKaj:  yeah that didn't work either.
[12:43] <Roey> I've tried it before.  It just stalls in converting ogg files.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> !medibuntu | Roey
[12:46] <Roey> BluesKaj:  thanks
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Roey, maybe someone more knowledgeable about audio formats can help ...I normally don't fool with ogg or mp3 since I'm a bit of an audio purist ..wav and uncompressed formats are more to my liking and interest .
[12:47] <Roey> BluesKaj:  thanks so much anyway
[12:47] <Roey> :)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> np
[12:48] <Roey> ah, I see you're on #chromium too
[12:48] <Roey> no wonder you seemed familiar!
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yup :)
[12:48] <Roey> BluesKaj:  do you know by any chance how to enable the numpad in chromium so that it works like the numpad in firefox?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> nope, sorry
[12:48] <Roey> ok
[12:48] <Roey> tahnsk anyway
[12:49] <Roey> alright, off to work
[12:49] <Roey> ciao
[12:49] <BluesKaj> <--- not much help
[12:50] <MraMor> Тут русские есть ?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> !ru
[12:55] <ipavkovic> hi
[12:55] <ipavkovic> anyone else has dependency problems on updating jaunty with 4.3 RC 3 ?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> ipavkovic, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:06] <ivanovic_> KoaLiNa`
[13:08] <ipavkovic> BluesKaj: this does not change my dependency problem. I chose to "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite --install /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-dev_4%3a4.2.98-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa3_i386.deb"
[13:09] <ipavkovic> and this helped
[13:10] <ipavkovic> just wonder if I am alone in this world with this problem :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ipavkovic, how did you upgrade ?
[13:22] <jiohdi> anyone awake/
[13:40] <CzarAlex> If Ubuntu detects my wireless card out of the box (fresh install) Kubuntu will do the same, right?
[13:47] <daDudeMan> I upgraded from Hearon to Ibis to Jackalope.  I have vnc setup on Xinetd, and when I connect I get a screen with artifacts and hardly legible.  do I need to use another vncserver?
[13:50] <tom_> hali
[13:53] <Captain_Haddock> !hu | hali
[13:53] <Captain_Haddock> !hu | tom_
[13:53] <Captain_Haddock> er
[13:53] <Captain_Haddock> he's not even here
[13:53] <Captain_Haddock> :S
[13:56] <GeekThunder> Hi, I copied Kubuntu 9.04 DVD x64 files on my usb flash disk, how can I install that from the flashDisk?
[13:58] <Captain_Haddock> !usb-creator
[13:59] <Captain_Haddock> !info usb-creator
[13:59] <Captain_Haddock> :S
[14:02] <GeekThunder> Hi, I copied Kubuntu 9.04 DVD x64 files on my usb flash disk, how can I install that from the flashDisk?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !USB-install
[14:03] <BluesKaj> !info usb-install
[14:04] <BluesKaj> !info usb-image
[14:06] <BluesKaj> GeekThunder, if your pc is fairly new (less than 3yrs old) then your BIOS might have the usb boot option
[14:06] <bdgraue> GeekThunder: usb-creator may help you
[14:07] <GeekThunder> I'm in Windows right now
[14:08] <bdgraue> GeekThunder: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ try this, its also available for windows
[14:09] <GeekThunder> bdgraue: I used it, but when it boots from the usb , It does not start the Kubuntu installation
[14:10] <GeekThunder> bdgraue: it says that it can not find the kernel!!!
[14:10] <bdgraue> i think there is an install icon on the desktop if you start the livesystem, GeekThunder
[14:11] <GeekThunder> bdgraue: It doesn't go to the kubuntu LIVE at all
[14:11] <bdgraue> so there is something wrong, but i cant tell you what it is, sry GeekThunder
[14:12] <GeekThunder> bdgraue: thx anyways
[14:13] <bdgraue> maybe try to write the image again
[14:13] <Captain_Haddock> !info usb-creator
 Hi, I copied Kubuntu 9.04 DVD x64 files on my usb flash disk, how can I install that from the flashDisk?
[14:13] <Captain_Haddock> just copying will not work
[14:14] <GeekThunder> Captain_Haddock: I know, so how can I make it bootable to install kubuntu?
[14:14] <genii> GeekThunder: Did you try the Unetbootin method described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[14:14] <GeekThunder> Captain_Haddock: I'm in Windows, so usb-creator wont work ;)
[14:15] <genii> <cough cough> See above
[14:15] <GeekThunder> genii: yes, exactly. using Kubuntu 9.04 x64 DVD
[14:17] <GeekThunder> genii: <cough cough> :D
[14:17] <ubsafder> i changed video card how do i reconfigure ?
[14:18] <ubsafder> i can get to a promppt
[14:19] <bdgraue> GeekThunder: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ should do the job
[14:19] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, ok , lspci | grep -i vga
[14:19] <genii> GeekThunder: Is the usb stick formatted to fat32?
[14:19] <Captain_Haddock> GeekThunder: usb-creator is available on the live cd
[14:19] <GeekThunder> genii: yes
[14:20] <Captain_Haddock> no idea about the dvd
[14:20] <GeekThunder> Captain_Haddock: I have DVD x64
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, have you disabled the old card or onboard in the BIOS peripherals ?
[14:20] <GeekThunder> ok, thx guys
[14:21] <genii> I wonder if his USB stick is larger than 4Gb
[14:21] <ubsafder> yes the old card is totally out of the computer
[14:21] <Captain_Haddock> ubsafder: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:21] <Captain_Haddock> or something like that :P
[14:45] <ubsafder> i want to boot as normal all the services but not have X starting
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, what did  lspci | grep -i vga tell you ?  X looks at the kernel module for that particuclar card and then runs a generic vesa driver til the right one is installed.  We need to make sure the right driver is installed afterwards
[14:46] <ubsafder> nvidia geforce 6200
[14:47] <BluesKaj> ok , hang on
[14:47] <idyle> My auto hiding side panel won't unhide! When I mouse over it, I just see a tiny sliver of it, like it's empty, and can't click on it or configure it or anything!
[14:48] <idyle> I'm using Karmic, which is freakin' awesome, except for this so far!
[14:49] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 for karmic idyle
[14:49] <idyle> bazhang ok! thanks
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-180
[14:57] <ubsafder> i can not install i have other broken package apt-get is not installing anything
[14:59] <Captain_Haddock> ubsafder: pastebin the output
[14:59] <Captain_Haddock> (if possible)
[14:59] <tormina> апрррр
[15:00] <ubsafder> i am on an oter computer here
[15:00] <Captain_Haddock> which packages are broken?
[15:00] <ubsafder> the broken one has no X
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ubsafder, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[15:01] <ubsafder> libkipi6 is conflicting with libkipi-comon
[15:04] <ubsafder> even dpkg --configure -a gives me a big mess something about kde-graphics
[15:04] <derelict-jillsmi> hmm why when i copy a big data (65Gb) my system becomes too slow
[15:04] <derelict-jillsmi> &
[15:04] <derelict-jillsmi> ?
[15:05] <ubsafder> how do i add a user in the sudoers list ?
[15:08] <ubsafder> ok i can pastebin
[15:12] <ubsafder> so i get this http://pastebin.com/m6ac5c05f
[15:12] <derelict-jillsmi> am i alone with kde3,5? everybody on 4th...
[15:13] <genii> derelict-jillsmi: I'm on 8.04/3.5.10
[15:13] <derelict-jillsmi> genii: me too
[15:14] <ubsafder> and configure -a gives me http://pastebin.com/m19fc828a
[15:15] <derelict-jillsmi> genii: when u are copy\move a lots of data, do u have any speed problems or maybe system slow?
[15:15] <genii> derelict-jillsmi: Not that I've noticed.
[15:15] <derelict-jillsmi> genii: hmm but i have(
[15:16] <genii> derelict-jillsmi: I'm on 32bit version, dual 32 bit laptop. Mostly for file transfers etc I am using command-line (wget or scp)
[15:17] <derelict-jillsmi> genii: maybe when from sata to sata copying?
[15:25] <genii> derelict-jillsmi: It's a laptop, my drive is an internal sata ... I notice no real lag when coping to-from external usb drive or over the network
[15:25] <barbapa> hello
[15:26] <barbapa> what the new name for libdb3-util ?
[15:28] <derelict-jillsmi> i whant to compile c\c++ code in terminal what needs to be installed?
[15:30] <Pici> derelict-jillsmi: Install the build-essential package.
[15:30] <genii> derelict-jillsmi: build-essential
[15:31] <derelict-jillsmi> Pici: genii: thakns
[15:37] <kennethaar> where does kmail store it email? I looked in .kde/share/apps/kmail but can't find any email. I use disconnected imap. Kubuntu 9.04 with KDE RC3
[15:38] <rrva> cannot compile kdebase-workspace-4.2.98: kcontrol/access/kaccess.h:15:30: error: Phonon/MediaObject: No such file or directory
[15:38] <rrva> what to do to fix it? I have phonon include files
[15:39] <shoriyan> Salut
[15:48] <Captain_Haddock> kennethaar: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/not-sure-where-my-kmail-messages-are-located-605597/
[15:48] <kennethaar> Captain_Haddock: Thx
[15:48] <rrva> trying sudo ln -s ../phonon /usr/include/qt4/Phonon
[15:54] <DudeMan> is anyone running vncserver on 9.04?  I found an updated post on "howto", which mostly seems  update font paths.  My session has artifacts in panel on bottom and on window bars.  fonts seem slightly odd too
[15:55] <kennethaar> Captain_Haddock: I think the info on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/not-sure-where-my-kmail-messages-are-located-605597/ is outdated with akonadi. I suspect that my mail is saved as a database by akonadi.
[16:05] <Captain_Haddock> kennethaar: I see. I don't use it myself, sorry.
[16:05] <Captain_Haddock> perhaps there's an export feature somewhere?
[16:08] <genii> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Where_does_Akonadi_store_my_data.3F  seems informative on this subject
[16:08] <bobbob1016> My xorg is going up to 24% cpu for some reason.  Ksysguard doesn't show anything using a lot of memory or anything, any ideas?
[16:09] <bobbob1016> Actually plasma is using 450+ meg out of my 3gig ram
[16:10] <ubuntu> elo
[16:10] <old-faltenface> ja?
[16:10] <soundwav> elo
[16:16] <mido_> salut
[16:39] <vivxone> hey after how many days of regestry ubuntu or kubuntu cd will come
[16:39] <vivxone> i am from india
[16:40] <shadeslayer> vivxone: took me around 2.5 weeks to get it,im in gurgaon
[16:40] <vivxone> i am in kerala
[16:40] <vivxone> ok thanks for this
[16:40] <shadeslayer> vivxone: better download a ISO,itll be faster
[16:41] <shadeslayer> vivxone: no probs :)
[16:41] <vivxone> shadeslayer :where r u from?
[16:41] <shadeslayer> vivxone: gurgaon..
[17:04] <brad_> how do I find the version of a software I have installed
[17:06] <genii> brad_: apt-cache policy <packagename>
[17:06] <genii> ( If it was installed through the package manager )
[17:07] <brad_> thanks
[17:07] <brad_> with me, it's always through the package manager
[17:22] <neure> hello
[17:22] <neure> i'm trying to open a dvd
[17:23] <neure> i installed mplayer and kmplayer but it cant play the dvd
[17:23] <neure> any ideas?
[17:23] <neure> is there anything else / better to watch a dvd?
[17:25] <Captain_Haddock> brad_: I have no idea about kpackagekit, but synaptic provides version information.
[17:26] <Captain_Haddock> neure: as in watching the dvd?
[17:26] <Captain_Haddock> have you tried dragon player?
[17:26] <Captain_Haddock> it should prompt you to install all the software that is required
[17:26] <e66> Is there any tool for folder comparison in Kubuntu? like meld in Ubuntu. I know Meld will run in Kubuntu. But I was looking for something purely kde? I want pure kde apps because It'll decrease my download size.
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> !info kompare
[17:27] <Captain_Haddock> I think that does folders too
[17:28] <neure> no, dragon player doesn't work
[17:28] <Captain_Haddock> neure: doesn't work... how exactly?
[17:28] <neure> it doesnt do anything when i press play
[17:28] <el> How can I search for the contents of files?
[17:29] <neure> mplayer apparently renders the first frame or so and then very quickly exits
[17:30] <neure> http://pastebin.com/m742e8ce
[17:30] <genii> el: grep searchthing filename
[17:30] <Captain_Haddock> neure: are you actually selecting the dvd to play?
[17:30] <neure> Captain_Haddock: im not sure since i havent used dragonplayer before
[17:30] <e66> Captain_Haddock++
[17:30] <e66> Captain_Haddock: Thanks
[17:31] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[17:31] <neure> it shows play disc
[17:31] <neure> i click on it
[17:31] <neure> then i click on play
[17:31] <neure> i see nothing
[17:31] <el> genii: No, I want to search through all my files, not a specific one. KDE4 doesn't seem to have any search dialog in the Kmenu.
[17:32] <genii> Ah, OK
[17:32] <Captain_Haddock> neure: I see.. well, let's try vlc then. Do you have it installed?
[17:32] <neure> nope but i'll install it
[17:32] <Captain_Haddock> el: do you want to find a file or find a string in one of your files?
[17:33] <Dragnslcr> el- Dolphin's search can go through the contents of text files
[17:33] <Dragnslcr> And maybe some info from some binary file types
[17:34] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: does your KMenu shortcut key work when you are using konversation?
[17:34] <neure> okay this dvd is region protected
[17:35] <neure> i wonder if my dvd is in the right region
[17:35] <Captain_Haddock> !dvd
[17:35] <Captain_Haddock> neure: one of those pages lists a tool to set the region to 0
[17:36] <Captain_Haddock> does vlc not play it?
[17:36] <neure> do, it doe snot play it
[17:36] <Dragnslcr> Captain_Haddock- dunno, I never use a shortcut key for the K Menu
[17:37] <Captain_Haddock> neure: add the medibuntu repository to your package manager.
[17:37] <el> Dragnslcr: Yes, thats the dialog that I was looking for.
[17:37] <Captain_Haddock> !medibuntu | neure
[17:37] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: It should be Alt + F1 by default, I guess
[17:37] <el> Can I add a Kmenu entry for this Dolphin->Tools->Find File ?
[17:37] <Dragnslcr> It was None for me. I set it to ctrl-meta-k, and it seems to work fine
[17:38] <el> Or can I define a global shortcut for it?
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> el- I think it's part of Dolphin, so I wouldn't think so, but there may be some other program or plasmoid that can do the same thing
[17:39] <neure> okay now i think vlc is attempting crack the keys or something
[17:39] <neure> doh
[17:39] <neure> silly
[17:39] <Captain_Haddock> Dragnslcr: I think this might be a widget issue. Not konversation.
[17:41] <el> KDE4's design choices are really aweful, ... why should I have to click 5times just to find files while in KDE3 it is as simple as Kmenu->Find?
[17:43]  * carpii sympathises
[17:45] <Captain_Haddock> isn't nepomuk (?) supposed to replace that?
[17:45] <Captain_Haddock> (where do they come up with these names?)
[18:41] <liz> hello room, how does one take off or edit the screenlock function?
[18:44] <Dragnslcr> liz- probably System Settings -> Advanced -> Power Management
[18:46] <liz> Dragnslcr: I don't have that setting
[18:46] <Dragnslcr> What version of KDE?
[18:47] <liz> kde 3.5 kubuntu hardy
[18:49] <Dragnslcr> No idea then. I haven't used 3.5 in quite a while
[18:50] <liz> darn, I found power management but only option is for turning off the screen
[19:26] <glmo> Do i need a good computer to use kubuntu?
[19:28] <Nameless_au> hi. what is kubuntu's equivalent of mysql?
[19:29] <genii> glmo: Should have something p4 or better, 8Gb+ hd space, 384Mb+ ram
[19:29] <genii> glmo: It will run on less, but very frustratingly
[19:29] <glmo> genii i got 2.4 ghz P and 512mb ram..
[19:30] <genii> glmo: Should be tolerable then
[19:30] <Iowahc> hy there, is it possible to connect to a wireless network and a wired network at the same time?
[19:31] <genii> Nameless_au: Theres mysql client and mysql server. Take your pick.
[19:31] <glmo> Genii or do you recommend using gnome?
[19:31] <Iowahc> my machine connects to the wireless connection, and disconnects from it as soon as the wired connection is up
[19:31] <BluesKaj> Iowahc, yeah, but one must have prority as the default
[19:31] <Nameless_au> genii: thanks
[19:31] <Iowahc> where do I set the priority?
[19:31] <BluesKaj> err priority
[19:31] <genii> glmo: Whichever you prefer. For lower end systems there is also Xubuntu (XFCE desktop based)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> on the network manager preferences
[19:32] <Iowahc> under manage connections?
[19:32] <glmo> genii in xubuntu i can choose wich programs i want to be installed in the installation right?
[19:32] <glmo> I want à clean system
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Iowahc, in widget-network-manager yes , i believe so
[19:33] <genii> glmo: In all 3 dists there is a meta-package with names like xubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop.They install a set of apps and so on. You can remove the ones you don't want individually after
[19:34] <Iowahc> hrm,,, there is no priority to set
[19:34] <Nameless_au> ok and kubuntu's version of httpd is called... ?
[19:34] <Nameless_au> apache2?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> Iowahc, I used wicd , so I can use either ethernet or wifi
[19:35] <genii> Nameless_au: Pretty much, yes
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !wicd
[19:35] <Nameless_au> cool
[19:35] <BluesKaj> !info-wicd
[19:36] <BluesKaj> !info - wicd
[19:36] <Nameless_au> genii: how about php?
[19:36] <BluesKaj> gawd
[19:36] <genii> Nameless_au: "php5"
[19:37] <Nameless_au> k tnx
[19:37] <Iowahc> I know what you mean ;)
[19:37] <genii> Nameless_au: If you are planning to install most of those, maybe just use tasksel to pick a LAMP instrall
[19:37] <Iowahc> but with the standard manager it isn't possible?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[19:38] <Nameless_au> genii i've installed all except php5 so far
[19:38] <Iowahc> BluesKaj, it just replaces the normal manager?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Iowahc,yes
[19:38] <Iowahc> ok, I think I'll give it a try
[19:39] <BluesKaj> just install it and it will remove the widget one automatically ...at leas t it did when I installed wicd about a month ago
[19:40] <Iowahc> ok, thank you. Another Question: I connect my PC to my HDTV, and got terrible Overscan. Anyone who can help me with this?
[19:43] <Zabadda> evening all
[19:49] <anoneemouse> how do i install kitchen sync
[19:49] <anoneemouse> i dont see it in the package manager?
[19:53] <jasa> Evening, quick question, what is usually the main cause that additional kernel drivers makes "unknown symbol" claims on load ... ?
[19:55] <genii> jasa: Kernel version mismatch between running kernel and the kernel the module was compiled against
[19:57] <jasa> Hmm ...
[19:58] <ThePix> anoneemouse: Maybe it was renamed?
[19:58] <jasa> Well, i have only one modules folder on /lib/modules for the current kernel and trying to do the compile now on ...
[19:58] <Iowahc> Hy there, anyone can help me with my overscan problem?
[19:58] <anoneemouse> really? to what?
[19:59] <anoneemouse> i need an application to sync my address book with my nokia n80
[19:59] <staar2> hello
[19:59] <staar2> where i could find the Kmousetool source ?
[19:59] <staar2> or isnt it released under open source license ?
[20:01] <Nameless_au> what is kubuntu's equivalent of the db and php-mbstring files?
[20:02] <Iowahc> Hy there, anyone can help me with my overscan problem?
[20:05] <anoneemouse> syncing tool for cell to kontact...? anyone?
[20:05] <ThePix> staar2: Whats that do?
[20:06] <ThePix> If you can find the project page they should have the source
[20:06] <jhutchins_wk> anoneemouse: What cell phone?
[20:06] <ThePix> vanRijn: ping
[20:06] <anoneemouse> nokia n80
[20:07] <jhutchins_wk> anoneemouse: See if you can launch kdepim - I think that has the sync interfacce.
[20:07] <anoneemouse> ok
[20:07] <anoneemouse> lets see
[20:08] <anoneemouse> you mean kontact?
[20:09] <staar2> ThePix: actually i think its part of the KDE main project and i cant get the source, best would be web view only
[20:09] <anoneemouse> excuse my confusion here
[20:09] <ThePix> websvn.kde.org
[21:13] <yamishi> can someone help me a little with gnump3d configuration?
[21:14] <gnufied> okay folks, I have a horribly botched KDE 4.3 RC3 update on laptop running kubuntu 9.04
[21:16] <gnufied> kwin doesn't load when starting the desktop anymore.
[21:16] <gnufied> kwin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_kwin.so: undefined symbol: _ZTI26KDecorationFactoryUnstable
[21:16] <gnufied> I believe update wasn't clean.
[21:16] <gnufied> i think the problem is, I had KDE 4.2.4 installed from kubuntu-ppa and then for upgrading to kde 4.3 I disabled that source and added kubuntu backports. After adding kubuntu backports repo, when I did apt-get update, it showed up 58 4.2.4 kde updates as well (but under blocked updates) and 25 updates for kde 4.3 RC3
[21:17] <gnufied> I went ahead and installed 4.3 updates, but now kwin won't start now when loading KDE desktop
[21:18] <gnufied> anyone hre?
[21:18] <yamishi> i think that there's no one
[21:24] <Dragnslcr> gnufied- did you try running apt-get upgrade again to make sure you have all the new packages you need?
[21:25] <gnufied> Dragnslcr, yeah, that didn't help. now I am running dist-upgrade, apparently some updates were coming under blocked updates
[21:27] <pete_> I'm curious, are all the users here legit or is this where bot nets can be managed from?
[21:58] <soldat_> Русские есть?
[21:58] <ThePix> !ru
[22:12] <darkmatter__> fantastic!
[22:42] <chechin> does anyone knows something about roadsend?
[22:54] <brandon> How do i FIX MY SCREEN RESOLUTION ITS STUCK AT 124X768 AND SHOULD BE 1440X900 WONT LET ME CHANGE BACK?
[22:54] <brandon> sry for the caps
[22:56] <juan_> join
[23:04] <brandon> Could someone please help me fix my screen resolution problem it wont let me set the correct resolution
[23:30] <beyondcr> what is the command to see what ggraphics card i have
[23:30] <beyondcr> brb
[23:35] <beyondcr> what command shows hardware
[23:36] <beyondcr> is there a  type of program like envyng  for intel based graphics cards?
[23:37] <yml> Does someone know how to automatically try to connect a user to a perticuliar wifi if it is available when he logs in ?
[23:40] <fabinho> hi
[23:47] <Zabadda> i cant seem to get kubuntu to auto pick up wifi it works fine on ubuntu on the same laptop
[23:48] <Zabadda> i cant find a search for wifi button
[23:48] <Zabadda> any ideas?


[03:38] <DarinMiller> Currently dl'ing the xenial daily download.  Last couple days the install script has been broken.
[03:40] <DarinMiller> The install did not progress past the network connect menu (python error on line 494).   Anybody else see the issue?
[04:16] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller, I have not tried any daily image for xenial at all
[04:17] <DarinMiller> OK, creating bootable usb now, will report shortly....
[04:17] <ahoneybun> thanks for the testing DarinMiller
[04:35] <DarinMiller> The xenial-desktop-amd64.iso produces error when clicking Continue from the Prepare screen of the installer.
[04:38] <DarinMiller> File "/usr/lib/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py, line 1068 in  on_next_clicked. self.dbfilter.ok_handler() ....
[04:40] <DarinMiller> .../plugins/ubi-prepare.py line 344 in ok_handler secureboot key = self.ui.get_secureboot_key() Attribute error: "PageKDE" object has no attribute 'get_secureboot_key'
[04:42] <DarinMiller> Last 3 daily iso's exhibit this error. no 64bit alt iso available to test.  I will poke a round in the 15.10 install scripts to compare to 16.04's...
[05:02] <vishalrao> hello. i saw the "care to help test?" item on kubuntu news/wire site... do i just get the latest daily live image off cdimages.ubuntu.com ? or is there a alpha1 release somewhere?
[05:04] <DarinMiller> !
[05:22] <DarinMiller> switched to konversation as the web page format was hard on the eyes. :)
[05:24] <DarinMiller> So with the successful build, are the daily downloads automatically updated?
[05:47] <DarinMiller> Found the issue with the installer.
[05:49] <DarinMiller> On the live iso, i unsquashfs'd the /casper/filesystem.squahfs file from 16.04 and 16.10.
[05:52] <DarinMiller> the /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py file in 16.04 has several secure boot modules that were not in 15.10.  I will try rebuidling 16.04 filesystem.squashfs with 15.10  /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py file to see if I can proceed with the install as I do not see how to fix the 16.04 ubi-prepare.py file.
[05:53] <DarinMiller> I will attempt this tomorrow....
[06:00] <DarinMiller> Nevermind bug has already been reported and triaged.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450 four days ago.  Hmmm. Wonder when the fix will roll down to the daily builds.
[06:42] <soee> good morning
[07:28] <soee> yofel: i'v tested Plasma 5.5.3  - all good
[08:04] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know the answer for this: https://plus.google.com/u/0/108568659824829381419/posts/V4mDQw272E2
[08:26] <yofel> good question, those are somewhere..
[08:37] <sitter> grml grml
[08:38] <sitter> yofel: do you think anyone could find a minute to SRU a fix into qca-qt5 https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=qca.git&a=blobdiff&h=e0c6cbbf09e4a1cb586534a65176d45ed01c45a7&hp=42808c55846791a611b9da8e634c1b90027b9764&hb=7207e6285e932044cd66d49d0dc484666cfb0092&f=include%2FQtCrypto%2Fqca_basic.h
[08:41] <yofel> sitter: and the reason for that change is?
[08:41] <yofel> I won't have time until the evening, but maybe someone else can do the paperwork
[08:41] <sitter> people complain to me that it is not fixed in kubuntu
[08:41] <sitter> like that's my fault :'<
[08:42] <yofel> well duh, yeah
[08:42] <sitter> also, I am dropping kubuntu ci branches from oxygen-fonts, as that bugger is no longer part of plasma and in fact unmaintained
[08:42] <sitter> FYI ^^
[08:42] <yofel> ack
[08:42] <sitter> you may want to drop it from archive when landing 5.5
[08:43] <yofel> sitter: you still haven't said what that qca change actually fixes ^^
[08:45] <sitter> yofel: oh, FTBFS unless a qca user actually includes QIODevice first
[08:45] <sitter>  /usr/include/Qca-qt5/QtCrypto/qca_basic.h:325:14: error: ‘QIODevice’ has not been declared
[08:45] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <bshah> yofel: any opinion on making software-properties-kde recommends instead of depends for libdiscover?
[08:50] <bshah> reason being we don't have pyqt5 compiled against qt5.5 for mobile and hence discover fails to install
[08:50] <bshah> and build pyqt5 seems to be mess
[08:53] <yofel> bshah: +1 I think, and maybe even make it a recommends of muon-discover instead. I think that's the only thing that actually uses it
[08:55] <bshah> okay then, /me will make change..
[08:56] <bshah> I am currently making it recommends for libdiscover and will change it to muon-discover after asking apol
[08:59] <bshah> yofel: for this dep change, I don't have to bump version in kubuntu_unstable right?
[08:59] <yofel> bshah: no
[09:00] <bshah> ok
[09:26] <soee_> mamarley: did you solved the kwallet problem ?
[10:00] <mparillo> On Plasma 5.5.3, I need to re-enter my WEP password every time I boot.
[10:01] <soee> there is some problem with kwallet
[10:01] <soee> it simply does not work :)
[10:03] <mparillo> So my problem is probably related? Earlier versions of network manager managed to store WEP passwords without kwallet.
[10:04] <soee> hmm, i'm not sure how it works atm. :)
[10:04] <yofel> AFAIK they only do that if you mark the connection as a "System connection"
[10:04] <yofel> otherwise the connection is bound to your session and the PW is handled by kwallet
[10:15] <soee> yofel: apps 15.12 are still wip right ?
[10:15] <yofel> yes
[10:15] <soee> ok
[10:16] <clivejo> yofel: can I just .phoney autotests in step for the time being?
[10:16] <yofel> yes
[10:17] <clivejo> while I understand the problem now, making a patch to fix said problem is proving too challeging, maybe in time Ill learn how to do that
[10:19] <clivejo> wait, why is dolphin looking for kio-dev (>= 15.15.0)
[10:20] <yofel> that looks rather wrong
[10:20] <clivejo> shouldnt that be 5.18? or less?
[10:21] <yofel> it should
[10:21] <clivejo> now thats weird!
[10:26] <clivejo> and apparently I did that !
[10:26]  * clivejo raps own knuckles
[11:04] <clivejo> LP seems to be under pressure :/
[11:06] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I
[11:08] <mamarley> soee: I didn't fix it, but I did find a workaround.  If you set "killall kwalletd5" to run on KDE startup, the next time an application tries to access the KDE wallet it will restart and work fine.
[11:08] <soee> yofel: can we somehow fix it ^ ?
[11:10] <yofel> mamarley: removing pam_kwallet5.so from /etc/pam.d/sddm is probably a better workaround
[11:10] <yofel> soee: if you tell me how, sure
[11:11] <yofel> kwallet getting started by sddm is what's *supposed* to happen
[11:11] <yofel> otherwise you loose unlock-at-login
[11:11] <mamarley> yofel: Ah, thanks!  I figured there was some better way to do it, but I didn't know where that file would be.
[11:12] <soee> mamarley: so how many processes should we have running by default ?
[11:12] <soee> both kwalletd and kwalletd5  or single one ?
[11:12] <mamarley> My system has "kwalletd5" and "kwalletd".
[11:12] <yofel> hm, come to think of it, the sddm merge did drop pam_kwallet.so from there, but that should be just the qt4 wallet...
[11:13] <mamarley> For me the wallet kept working fine after the SDDM 0.13 update and failed only after the Frameworks 5.18 update.
[11:13] <soee> but the problem started after upgrade to frameworks 5.18
[11:13] <yofel> ah right, nvm
[11:18] <soee> mamarley: ping
[11:19] <mamarley> soee: Switching sonar to active! PONGPONGPONGPONG!
[11:19] <soee> mamarley: are you on machine with those latest framewroks ?
[11:19] <mamarley> I am.
[11:19] <soee> can you please go System Settings -> User  Account
[11:20] <soee> and see if it needs long time to load it due to kwallet section ?
[11:20] <mamarley> Yes, it does. (But only before I applied the workaround.)
[11:21] <soee> hmm we should than check what changes were made in kwallet-kf5 in 5.18 version
[11:22] <soee> mamarley: side task: can you check if Discover works for you ?
[11:22] <mamarley> soee: muon-discover?  I don't even have that installed.
[11:23] <soee> oh
[11:24] <yofel> soee: I already looked out of curiosity, not much: (v.5.17.0 -> v.5.18.0-rc1) http://paste.ubuntu.com/14437177/
[11:25] <soee> hmm
[11:30] <soee> yofel: is it anything important:
[11:30] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14437217/
[11:32] <yofel> well, that's obviously some broken dbus service. Nice that it doesn't tell you WHAT doesn't respond
[11:33] <clivejo> it does, the dbus didnt respond!
[11:34] <clivejo> looks like a naming issue though?
[11:35] <soee> oh?
[11:35] <clivejo> and sddm not handing over to the correct daemon?
[11:38] <soee> clivejo: and the build log  doesn't report any important warnings https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233280784/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kwallet-kf5_5.18.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:38] <soee> that might cause some problems?
[11:41] <clivejo> although my box is still xenial archive and I see kwalletd5 running in the background
[11:41] <clivejo> and Im on the new sddm version
[11:42] <yofel> that'll run fine, only FW 5.18 messes stuff up
[11:49] <soee> same messages shows up when i try to run kwalletmanager
[11:49] <soee> + this message: Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString)
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[13:00] <clivejo> yofel: where are we up to on okular?  Theres load of new symbols there
[13:01] <clivejo> dolphin and step are now green :)
[13:02] <clivejo> I havent even looked at PIM, it confuses the hell outta me
[13:02] <yofel> oh, pim need pimlibs fixed first (symbols refresh, the missin ones are ok)
[13:02] <yofel> actually let me do that, I just never committed it..
[13:03] <clivejo> did it build locally?
[13:04] <yofel> didn't try, it does build until the gensymbols errors out, so it should be ~fine
[13:04] <yofel> your libokularcore7.symobls talk about the wrong lib
[13:04] <yofel> -libokularcore.so.6 libokularcore6 #MINVER#
[13:04] <yofel> spot the error
[13:04] <yofel> also, the control file needs fixing
[13:04] <yofel> dh_sameversiondep: cannot continue because the reference package libokularcore6 could not be found in debian/control or dpkg status
[13:04] <clivejo> there was a lib ABI break something or other
[13:05] <yofel> and now I wonder what symobls are..
[13:05] <yofel> yeah, and you generally did the right thing, you just didn't finish the job
[13:05] <clivejo> and I was leaving it for you to sort out
[13:05] <clivejo> :P
[13:06] <yofel> just do it yourself, you're almost there, you just missed a couple occurences of "6"
[13:07] <clivejo> is it lib 6 or 7?
[13:07] <yofel> well, is the filename called so.6 or so.7
[13:07] <yofel> which actually reminds me, I never answered your question about the lib version suffixes...
[13:08] <yofel> too much distraction
[13:08] <yofel> so, a common linux shared object usually comes with 3 files
[13:08] <clivejo> -- Installing: /«PKGBUILDDIR»/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libokularcore.so.7
[13:08] <yofel> the actual binary with the current library version, e.g. libfoo.so.5.3.993939
[13:09] <clivejo> so just update the line in symbols file to libokularcore.so.7 libokularcore7 #MINVER#
[13:09] <clivejo> ?
[13:09] <yofel> then a symlink with the SOVERSION as suffix, that points to the actual binary
[13:09] <yofel> e.g. libfoo.so.9 -> libfoo.so.5.3.993939
[13:10] <yofel> and a development symlink wihtout any version suffix that scripts and build systems can actually find without knowing the version, that points to the soversioned link
[13:10] <yofel> e.g. libfoo.so -> libfoo.so.9
[13:10] <yofel> and yes, you're right
[13:11] <sitter> hm
[13:11] <sitter> clivejo, yofel: was that change there automated or done manually? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/oxygen.git/commit/?id=56971c52c03861bd12439f7d3d719a63adeb6f06
[13:11] <sitter> note how kdelibs5-dev was changed but shouldn't have been
[13:12] <clivejo> looks automatic
[13:12] <clivejo> via the staging script
[13:12] <yofel> yeah, that was automatic
[13:12] <sitter> yofel: why is it twiddling kdelibs5-dev though?
[13:13] <bshah> I fixed similar thing in breeze
[13:13] <yofel> because it now updates deps of all things it tracks
[13:13] <yofel> not quite sure if that's the right thing to do
[13:13] <clivejo> teething issues with santa's ammendents?
[13:13] <yofel> already shot me in the foot a couple days ago with that
[13:13] <sitter> hm
[13:13] <sitter> yofel: I think that needs layering
[13:14] <sitter> kf5 < plasma < apps
[13:14] <yofel> it's done by the new stuff santa added, which is somewhat incomplete
[13:14] <sitter> so, kf5 autobumps kf5. plasma autobumps deps on other plasmas AND kf5. apps autobumps deps on apps AND plasma AND KF5
[13:14] <yofel> it does. The thing where it shot me in the foot it that it made kwallet build-dep on apps 15.12 which we don't have yet
[13:14] <sitter> although arguably perhaps they should really just autobump within their set
[13:15] <sitter> mh
[13:15] <sitter> you know what
[13:15] <sitter> scratch what I said
[13:15] <sitter> I think autobumps should only bump within their respective set
[13:15] <sitter> so kf5 bumps other kf5s but nothing else, plasma bumps other plasmas but nothing else
[13:15] <sitter> ..
[13:16] <yofel> not realy, plasma deps on frameworks, so it should dep on the FW version we want
[13:16] <yofel> the only problematic parts are cyclic deps
[13:16] <sitter> yofel: no, it should dep on the kf5 it needs
[13:16] <yofel> well, we would need a cmake parser for that
[13:16] <sitter> it FTBFS when it doesn't have the kf5 it needs
[13:17]  * yofel -> lunch, bbiab
[13:17] <sitter> if you bump in a layered fashion you essentially force yourself to do layered staging. until all the latest kf5 are staged you can't stage plasma you can't stage apps
[13:19] <sitter> which may be a worthwhile thing to do with kf5 (i.e. have kf5 deps always bumped regardless of actual requirements), but plasma <-> apps seems like its calling for trouble
[13:36] <yofel> sitter: for plasma not sure, but for everything it is calling for trouble - right
[13:36] <yofel> currently that script really just goes kde-sc-dev-latest and does everything
[13:38] <yofel> meh, santa put all of that into one file
[13:47] <soee> sddm update again ?
[13:48] <soee> or is it the one yofel pushed few days ago ?
[13:48] <yofel> no, this is about making the X scripts conffiles, so changes don't get silently overwritten
[13:48] <yofel> dunno why sddm puts those in /usr
[13:49] <yofel> sitter: splitted stuff for now. I'm not too happy with the logic around that anyway so I'll be reworking that at some point again
[13:50] <yofel> feel free to downgrade versions in CI if they block you
[13:50] <sitter> cheers
[14:33] <clivejo> yofel: now okular is FTBFS due to build deps !
[14:33] <yofel> oh
[14:33] <yofel> I forgot that there's transitions going on
[14:33] <yofel> dangit
[14:34] <yofel> let me throw up a kdelibs rebuild
[14:35] <yofel> lets see what else uses qca2
[14:38] <yofel> kdelibs, kget, kopete and ksirk uploaded
[14:44] <yofel> and here comes the moment when I realise that clivejo probably didn't understand half of what I just said
[14:44] <yofel> clivejo: what's a transition? ^^
[15:12] <sgclark> morning
[15:16] <soee> hiho sgclark
[15:27]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee and passes the mugs around
[15:35] <marco-parillo> I fixed the high-priority part of Launchpad Bug #1532157, but how can I join the editors of the new Kubuntu.org website to address the second part?
[15:39] <sgclark> marco-parillo: I believe ovidiu-florin will need to help you there.
[15:40] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo let me know how I ccan help. Been busy with my kde hat.
[15:41] <yofel> sgclark: it would be nice if you could put whatever backport procedure you used into the README. I wrote kubuntu-batch-backport-git as a note collection for now after figuring things out myself yesterday
[15:41] <yofel> but that's probably different than what you did
[15:41] <sgclark> it was mostly a manual mess
[15:42] <sgclark> nothing that would represent a procedure
[15:42] <yofel> ah ok, so my notes are probably as much as we have
[15:42] <yofel> OTOH, backporting frameworks was like really easy :D
[15:42] <sgclark> it needs to be improved hah
[15:42] <sgclark> cool
[15:42] <yofel> stuff is still finishing building, but had to fix like.. nothing
[15:43] <yofel> *we had
[15:43] <sgclark> where are we at?
[15:43] <sgclark> sorry been out of the loop, life and stuff
[15:44] <sgclark> we still have merges that need doing right?
[15:45] <yofel> xenial: fW done, plasma done, apps WIP and unmerged
[15:45] <yofel> wily: fw WIP, rest todo
[15:45] <sgclark> according to trello, yes
[15:46] <yofel> I would like to finish apps, then merge all of them in one go
[15:46] <sgclark> ok, I will work on apps.
[15:46] <yofel> or you can merge stuff that's already been done
[15:46] <sgclark> wip I assume the script has run, just needs fixes?
[15:46] <yofel> now with 15.12 we can do breaks << 15.12~ for the merge file moves
[15:47] <yofel> apps is in the ppa, right
[15:47] <sgclark> ok, on it
[15:48] <sgclark> ooh the new pim, ugly
[15:49] <yofel> oh right, fun
[15:50] <yofel> I also only fixed pimlibs today, so logs are a bit outdated there
[15:51] <sgclark> ahh
[15:52] <sgclark> I think we need a newer akonadi
[15:52] <sgclark> unddefined reference fail
[15:53] <sgclark> nm we have newest
[15:53] <sgclark> yofel: have you run retry since you fixed libs?
[15:53] <yofel> no
[15:53] <sgclark> ok will run that then
[15:54] <yofel> sgclark: please bump the akonadi build-dep to >= 15.12.0~ on the package where you found the reference fail
[15:54] <yofel> I only did that for akonadi search so far
[15:54] <yofel> should be done for all packages with that error
[15:55] <yofel> so look through the logs before you retry everything
[15:55] <sgclark> yofel: ok
[16:17] <yofel> clivejo: okular retried, should build now
[16:17]  * clivejo crosses fingers
[16:18] <yofel> and frameworks finally finished building for wily. Stupid build queue
[16:18] <clivejo> any prgress on kwallet?
[16:18] <yofel> no, will look into it later
[16:21] <clivejo> ask the KDE folks?
[16:23] <yofel> feel free to
[16:33]  * clivejo Is in and out at the moment
[16:33] <clivejo> and any previous questions have gone unanswered, so Ill just leave it
[16:39] <yofel> regarding?
[16:48] <sgclark> holy missing ysmbols batman
[16:49] <yofel> lol, where?
[16:55] <sgclark> kpimtextedit
[16:55] <sgclark> public too
[16:55] <sgclark> needs investigation. setting aside for now
[16:56] <yofel> the last I asked about kdepimlibs, pim team response was: We give no ABI guarantees -.-
[16:56] <yofel> so either we just make sure to rebuild everything, or we go DebianAbiManager crazy
[16:58] <sgclark> I vote rebuild
[16:58] <yofel> ack
[16:59] <yofel> pim stuff is broken in various ways all the time anyway. Nobody will notice a couple crashes more
[17:01] <sgclark> sadly yeah I have not been able to rely on my beloved kmail for awhile. hopefully it get sorted soon
[17:02] <yofel> it does work most of the time for me, if you don't mind the occasional misbehavior. At least akonadi has no data-loss bugs that affect me
[17:09] <sgclark> my problem is my internet is quite crappy and falls off all the time, akonadi then proceeds to crash and I have to constantly restart it.   It makes me want to run away within the first 5 minutes of reading it
[17:18] <yofel> ApplicationNotifier::parseUpdateInfo(), first line: #warning why does this parse stdout and not use qapt, wtf...
[17:19] <soee> :D
[17:22] <yofel> meh, I need to file a bug for this, I'm like ?!?!? when reading this
[17:24] <soee> yofel: kwallert-kf5 master also has the same issue
[17:24] <yofel> do you by chance have the 5.17 package in your apt cache?
[17:25] <yofel> oh, I do actually
[17:25] <soee> ?
[17:25] <yofel> libkf5wallet5_5.17.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[17:25] <soee> ah
[17:25] <yofel> just curious if downgrading helps
[17:31] <yofel> soee: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357704
[17:32] <soee> yofel: version 5.17 also desn't work now :/ owncloud cant connect at startup
[17:33] <yofel> so it might not be kwallet itself that's broken
[17:33] <bshah> kwallet-pam might be it btw..
[17:34] <yofel> but there were people that said it worked with 5.5.2 until they updated to 5.18
[17:34] <yofel> so, hm..
[17:36] <soee> yofel: [18:34] <mck182> soee: kdbusaddons
[17:36] <soee> ill try this one to downgrade
[17:36] <yofel> let me try to disable auto-login so I can join in on the debugging
[17:37] <yofel> why do I have a german config window. My system language is not german -.-
[17:37] <yofel> that it's only half-german only makes this more broken
[17:41] <yofel> and I'm seeing what you mean with excessive screen flickering...
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> Congratulations guys for getting 5.5.3 in xenial :D
[17:42] <soee> downgrading dbusaddons didn't help
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> I see there still are a few apps failing
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> which one should I take a look at?
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo yofel ^
[17:43] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: what ever you think you can fix !
[17:44] <clivejo> sgclark is working on PIM
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> anything to be done for frameworks?
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> there a re a few orange
[17:45] <clivejo> some oranges can be ignored
[17:45] <yofel> those can all be ignored
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:45] <sgclark> fix anything that looks red/orange till we have all green, please use https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas to note packages you are working on though
[17:45] <sgclark> so we can coordinate
[17:45] <sgclark> more the merrier
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> I'll start with okular
[17:46]  * clivejo gulps
[17:46] <yofel> okular is almost done
[17:47] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: have you done symbols before?
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> it depends on what that means
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> who is working on it?
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ^
[17:47] <ovidiu-florin> there's no note of someone
[17:47] <yofel> clive was, so work with hiim
[17:47] <yofel> https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html
[17:48] <yofel> for symbol stuff
[17:48] <soee> yofel: full downgrade frameworks to 5.17 and it works fine
[17:48] <yofel> it was just us 2 working on stuff, so we made no notes
[17:48] <clivejo> I dunno if thats a good idea, Im not fully understanding of symbols myself
[17:49] <yofel> here all that's left is a file refresh
[17:49] <clivejo> and ovidiu-florin asks a lot of questions!
[17:49] <yofel> as the SOVERSION changed, any symbol changes are OK
[17:50] <clivejo> just a batchpatch and removing #MISSING ?
[17:50] <yofel> right
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: so who is working on okular?
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> you said it's almost done
[17:51] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: I was
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> was?
[17:51] <ovidiu-florin> past thense?
[17:51] <clivejo> yes, the last issue yofel had to fix some other packages first
[17:52] <sgclark> well please use the pad now, several of us
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> and how's that going?
[17:52] <clivejo> it rebuilt a few hours ago and I havent had time to get back to it
[17:52] <clivejo> Im not working on anything at the moment
[17:52] <sgclark> and it is actually a good idea to always use the pad, we never know when folks will suddenly have time to help
[17:52] <clivejo> I was doing some OSM jobs
[17:53] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: so will you continue with that and I'll take something else?
[17:53] <ovidiu-florin> or?
[17:53] <clivejo> no, you do it
[17:53] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[17:53] <clivejo> if you look at the buildlog, it is building and installing fine
[17:53] <clivejo> but failing on symbols
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: in the future, let's try to follow sgclark and write down in the notes what is being worked on
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> even if it's in pause because of something
[17:54] <clivejo> sure, I agree
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> and mentio why it's in pause
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I see the CMake output cries a lot
[17:54] <clivejo> but its just been yofel and I so we just co-originated on here
[17:55] <clivejo> do you see where the problem is?
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't find the symbols issue yet
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: can you give me a line number?
[17:55] <yofel> scroll close to bottom
[17:56] <yofel> or do a text search for "gensymbols"
[17:56] <clivejo> search for dpkg-gensymbols
[17:57] <clivejo> what yofel said :P
[17:57] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some new symbols appeared in the symbols file: see diff output below
[17:57] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: some symbols or patterns disappeared in the symbols file: see diff output below
[17:57] <clivejo> dpkg-gensymbols: warning: debian/libokularcore7/DEBIAN/symbols doesn't match completely debian/libokularcore7.symbols
[17:57] <clivejo> the buildlog actually contains a diff
[17:59] <clivejo> so first thing, grab a clone of okular packaging
[17:59] <clivejo> xenial archive branch
[18:04] <ovidiu-florin> okular still depends on kde 4.6......
[18:09] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: README in kubuntu-automation has the command you need to batchpatch symbols. Run c++filt on any MISSING symbols. Then you need to look up the result on KDE API and see if it is a public symbol. If it is ( this is where I cry to someone more knowledgable like yofel)
[18:24] <vip> hi ho
[18:24] <vip> there's some kde related packages for update on my system, but I am a little bit scaried...
[18:25] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: how you getting on?
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> I know what symbols are
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> but I didn't know that they could be stored outside of the binary
[18:26] <ovidiu-florin> in their own file
[18:28] <ovidiu-florin> I'm currently reading on https://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/symbolfiles.html and related links
[18:29] <clivejo> ok, Ill let you read
[18:29] <clivejo> Ill go find food
[18:30] <acher88> I assume wily backports are not going to be very quick?
[18:30]  * clivejo ties soee down
[18:31] <soee> ?
[18:31] <clivejo> soee: to keep you in the channel
[18:31] <clivejo> in and out, in and out
[18:32] <soee> yup, testing packages. this will happen a few more minutes :)
[18:33] <yofel> acher88: well, I think we could have a plasma backport over the weekend. But we're hitting few issues with the new plasma and frameworks right now
[18:33] <yofel> so nothing stable for a while unless you don't mind some breakage
[18:34] <acher88> I don't mind breakage.
[18:34] <clivejo> kwallet breakage
[18:34] <acher88> Just have 2 machines to upgrade due to vivid going EOL
[18:35] <yofel> I'm so good at breaking stuff that I managed to give sddm-greeter a window frame...
[18:35] <acher88> and was debating on holding with wily or just putting both on xenial
[18:35] <yofel> how's that even possible
[18:36] <yofel> actually, let me take a break from breaking stuff and upload plasma
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> why are there symbols in the okular package?
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> aren't they sypposed to be in okular-dbg?
[18:43] <yofel> we are talking about the okular source package, that includes all binary packages
[18:43] <yofel> the actual symbols are for the libokularcore7 binary package
[18:46] <ovidiu-florin> in http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.0_xenial.html I see just okular
[18:46] <ovidiu-florin> not okular-scr
[18:46] <ovidiu-florin> src*
[18:46] <ovidiu-florin> I dont' understand something
[18:46] <ovidiu-florin> some info is missing here for me
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> how does okular get split in okular-dbg -src -dev ..... etc...
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[18:47] <ovidiu-florin> when? where? by whom?
[18:47] <yofel> there is no -src package, the source package is what you make yourself by hand and upload to launchpad
[18:48] <yofel> the thing that consists of the .orig.tar + .debian.tar + .dsc
[18:48] <yofel> the binary packages are then created from information inside the control file, and information from the various .install etc. files in the debian/ folder
[18:49] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: I really recommend that you read https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[18:50] <yofel> that's in some sense the technical specification how the packages are structured, and what each of the files in debian/ is for and all the files in them etc.
[18:50] <yofel> at least the first 5 chapters are elemental knowledge
[18:54]  * yofel monkey-patches kwallet in the meantime
[18:56] <BluesKaj> monkey-patches?
[18:56] <yofel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_patch
[18:56] <soee> yofel: o you reverts to what was in 5.17 ?
[18:57] <yofel> well ok, technically it's just a patch
[18:57] <yofel> soee: well, that one commit
[18:57] <soee> yup
[18:57] <soee> but i think mck182 might add valid patch soon
[18:58] <yofel> probably, but maybe he can then also respin the tarball before tomorrow
[18:58] <soee> ah o
[18:58] <soee> ok
[18:58] <yofel> although we're rather close to release
[19:07] <mck182> ok I found the exact line
[19:07] <mck182> but I don't understand why
[19:11] <yofel> oh, I just figured out why my kwallet doesn't work on my desktop
[19:11] <yofel> libkf5wallet-bin isn't installed - how is that even possible
[19:13] <yofel> oh, it's a recommends, great...
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yofel: it's installed here on xenial with plasma 5.5.3
[19:19] <sgclark> yofel: odd, I could have sworn that was fixed.
[19:19] <sgclark> perhaps debian merge reintroduced it
[19:20] <yofel> sgclark: I'm on wily here, so pre-merge packages
[19:20] <yofel> well, good to know it's fixed
[19:20] <sgclark> ahh ok
[19:21] <sgclark> I made the leap to xenial
[19:21] <yofel> wtf, breeze-gtk has a watch file that points to kde-config-gtk o.O
[19:21]  * yofel corrects
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> I'll see you guys tomorrow
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> if anyone is here
[19:24] <yofel> likely wil be
[19:24] <yofel> enjoy the evening
[19:25] <ScottK> We did make some changes to avoid circular Depends.
[19:26] <yofel> that would explain it..
[19:26] <ScottK> The symbols file ought to cause an extra Depends, so once the rdepends are rebuilt it should be fine.
[19:26] <ScottK> (Assuming that change got merged correctly)
[20:09] <mck182> yofel: patch ready at https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126681/
[20:10] <yofel> mck182: thanks
[20:11] <yofel> mck182: will you ask for a tarball respin?
[20:12] <mck182> well I could shoot a mail to dfaure
[20:12] <mck182> but no guarantees
[20:13] <yofel> ok
[20:16] <yofel>  /usr/include/Qca-qt5/QtCrypto/qca_basic.h:325:14: error: 'QIODevice' has not been declared
[20:17] <yofel> now I know hat sitter was talking about.................
[20:17] <yofel> well, be happy that discover forces me to take some action
[20:19] <BluesKaj> akregator doesn't launch, "akregator: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN7Akonadi8Protocol7CommandE"
[20:20] <yofel> yes, don't use the apps 15.12 packagees
[20:20] <yofel> we didn't finish kdepim there
[20:20] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:44]  * genii notices sddm-kcm in there
[21:54] <clivejo> kubuntu-ci you are depressing me :(
[22:00] <yofel> hm, so muon-discover should be renamed to plasma-discover
[22:00] <yofel> might as well do that tomorrow
[22:00] <clivejo> yofel, just got the announcement about 15.12.1 is that a bug fix?
[22:01] <yofel> yes, just leave it alone till tuesday
[22:01] <yofel> I wouldn't bother with it until uscan starts failing on us
[22:02] <clivejo> with them being still in staging, would now not be a good time to stage them too?
[22:03] <clivejo> I see you have kwallet fix on the way :)
[22:03] <yofel> the watch files only work for stuff on the public server, so working on frameworks was actually a bit annoying the last few days
[22:04] <yofel> lets not do the same with apps when we still have tons of work left
[22:04] <clivejo> oh, I see what you mean now
[22:04] <clivejo> I didnt have that because I staged them, so I have all the tarballs locally?
[22:05] <yofel> yes
[22:05]  * clivejo penny dropped
[22:05] <yofel> to work reasonably I first had to manually rsync everything myself
[22:05] <yofel> that needs to be a seperate script really..
[22:06] <yofel> anyway, muon-discover renamed to plasma-discover in the tooling, I'll do the packaging rework tomorrow
[22:06] <clivejo> so you have applied a patch to kwallet?
[22:06] <clivejo> and asked upstream to respin a tarball
[22:07] <yofel> I fully reverted the commit. Lets see what david does tomorrow and either take the new tarball or use the new patch
[22:07] <clivejo> do KDE work weekends?
[22:07] <yofel> he said he would release stuff on saturday, so I guess he does ^^
[22:10] <clivejo> sgclark: kpimtextedit is orange now, looks like symbols need updating
[22:13] <sgclark> clivejo: okies dokies, only have an hour or so before I head out for the evening. Will try to get to it though.
[22:13] <clivejo> I can do it if you want
[22:13] <clivejo> just dont want to be stepping on your toes
[22:14] <clivejo> is ovidiu-florin coming back to okular?
[22:15] <yofel> lets leave that to him so he can learn from it
[22:16] <clivejo> looks like something broke in KCI
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: if I have ppa* up in the notes and it still needs work after that is is fair game
[22:17] <sgclark> just note that you are now working on it
[22:18] <clivejo> yofel sgclark with kimap the 386 build seems ok, therefore if I feed the batch patch script with only one buildlog, will it remove the 386 references?
[22:21] <yofel> no, you *always* have to give it both buildlogs
[22:21] <yofel> otherwise it'll do something stupid
[22:27] <clivejo> yeah, I noticed that
[22:27] <clivejo> LOL
[22:27] <clivejo> step builds and the rest are failing
[22:27]  * clivejo rolls eyes
[22:35] <sgclark> clivejo: yofel kimap seems to be an issue with one symbol did nt have epoch, is that an app without an epoch?!
[22:42] <clivejo> sgclark: changelog doesnt mention an epoch :/
[22:42] <clivejo> and the buildlog doesnt have one, how did it get one?
[22:43] <clivejo> there was a commit earier today - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kimap.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive&id=a27e46d9270938506a5bb71234ca064a70b35a47
[22:44] <clivejo> maybe passed the wrong -v to batchpatch command?
[22:45] <sgclark> yeah that would be me, oops
[22:46] <clivejo> I hate epochs :(
[22:48] <valorie> epochs should be eschewed
[22:50] <clivejo> some people seem to like them  :P
[22:51] <valorie> lol
[22:51] <yofel> they are an emergency measure, and should be handled carefully like that
[22:51] <sgclark> yeah that was my bad, so many apps have them..
[22:51] <clivejo> easily done
[22:51] <valorie> oops, bbiab
[22:53] <clivejo> if anyone gets to libkinsane can you explain how you fix it please?
[22:54] <clivejo> its driving me f'kinsane
[23:42] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to install the "KDE Service Menu PDF" Dolphin Add-on on Kubuntu 15.10, but even though it successfully installs I don't see any new context menu items.  Is it not compatible with the latest version of Dolphin?
[23:48] <valorie> BlueProtoman: you might have to add the items you want to the menu
[23:48] <valorie> do you remember what the packagename was?
[23:48] <valorie> I'll try to install and test
[23:48] <valorie> however, let's do this in #kubuntu
[23:49] <valorie> this chan is not for support


[01:20] <sagaci> head_victim: is the ubuntu-au reapproval bug private?
[03:36] <head_victim> sagaci: unfortunately, yes.
[03:37] <head_victim> I poked them harder last night but if it's not done by the October Loco Council meeting I will resort to waking up early one day to go to one of their meetings (from memory they're 4am or 6am AEST)
[03:39] <sagaci> hmmm, another month, potentially 2/3 months
[03:40] <gorilla> two thirds?
[03:40] <head_victim> Yeah I was going to go to this month's but before I thought of it it had happened a few days ago
[03:40] <sagaci> wouldn't hurt to run meetings in different times each month, like 00:00 and 12:00 interchangeably
[03:41] <gorilla> sagaci: I suspect that it will never happen.
[03:41] <sagaci> gorilla: reapproval?
[03:42] <gorilla> sagaci: not the "run meetings in different times each month"
[03:42] <sagaci> some other councils do
[03:43] <gorilla> yeah we did that at work also with teams that were split across diverse timezones.
[03:45] <head_victim> Alright, I'm off again, be back tonight
[06:28] <jaddi27> sagaci, Are you subscribed to the ubuntu translators mailing list?
[06:37] <sagaci> jaddi27: not too sure, probably not... something big?
[06:37] <jaddi27> We have been asked to stop translating gnome-user-docs - https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/gnome-user-docs
[06:38] <jaddi27> I will forward the email to you
[06:42] <jaddi27> Email sent now (to gmail)
[06:44] <sagaci> yeah, I knew one of them had been deprecated
[06:45] <sagaci> thanks for the info, subscribed to the mailing list
[07:40] <sagaci> benonsoftware: how many slides did you use
[07:43] <benonsoftware> sagaci: Ohh thanks for remembering me about it, I'll proberly use around 15 max slides
[08:36] <head_victim> sagaci and benonsoftware can you check your planet updates?
[08:46] <benonsoftware1> head_victim: To be honest I would perfer my link to go to http://techspear.com/author/Benny
[08:51] <head_victim> benonsoftware: hmmm I'll make sure sagaci's doesn't need adjust ment and I'll replty
[08:52] <benonsoftware> Thanks
[08:52] <sagaci> head_victim: try to post something?
[08:53] <head_victim> Sure if you want
[08:53] <benonsoftware> It seems like a while ago since the Jams happend
[08:54] <head_victim> A month
[08:54] <benonsoftware> It seems longer in my mind
[09:02] <sagaci> i'll try in a few
[09:16] <sagaci> testing, testing, 1,2,3
[09:16] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:16] <sagaci> head_victim: erm, how much delay is there
[09:17] <head_victim> It runs every few hours to update them I believe
[09:17] <sagaci> yeah, makes sense
[09:17] <head_victim> Your previous ones appear to have shown up in the correct spots though
[09:17] <sagaci> i'll see it tomorrow I think
[09:18] <sagaci> yep, that one
[09:18] <benonsoftware> Anyone seen the new list mail?
[09:20] <head_victim> benonsoftware: what topic?
[09:21] <benonsoftware> Stand up for Linux. Stop Microsoft from attempting to kill ubuntu and other Linux Distros.
[09:21] <head_victim> Nope, I've not seen that one.
[09:22] <benonsoftware> I just got it I can't believe it
[09:22] <head_victim> UbuntuAU post?
[09:22] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[09:22] <head_victim> Hmm Actually, it just arrived
[09:22] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:23] <benonsoftware> Are you going to do it?
[09:23] <head_victim> Very well misquoted
[09:23] <benonsoftware> How?
[09:23]  * benonsoftware just started reading the first bit
[09:23] <head_victim> Well, I'd read the mjg link
[09:23] <head_victim> I have him in my feeds.
[09:23] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:24] <head_victim> It just requires people to enable secure boot, doesn't mean the implementation will lock the hardware to windows.
[09:24] <head_victim> It's just a possibility.
[09:25] <benonsoftware> Yeah, thats what I thought
[09:25] <head_victim> Just trying to work out who that poster is as they only signed up to post that email
[09:26] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[09:27] <benonsoftware> I just went on luke.asia to see the poster's site
[09:28] <head_victim> Seems quite inflammatory, but maybe that was the intention.
[09:28] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[09:29] <benonsoftware> If you go to microsoft.com/Linux you will find something funny
[09:29] <head_victim> Even if I was going through the steps he mentioned I would not be using his letter.
[09:30] <benonsoftware> Yeah, you would want to change it big time
[09:30] <head_victim> All MS appear to be doing is asking hardware vendors to allow a secure boot option. It's not suggesting they not allow other people to have secure boot options as well.
[09:30] <benonsoftware> Yes
[09:34] <sagaci> benonsoftware, are you going to fix that bug?
[09:35] <benonsoftware> Yeah, I'm just trying to fix bzr_ssh
[09:35] <sagaci> what's wrong with it
[09:35] <benonsoftware> I get bzr: ERROR: Don't know how to handle SSH connections. Please set BZR_SSH environ
[09:35] <benonsoftware> ment variable.
[09:35] <benonsoftware> sorry about that
[09:36] <sagaci> ah ok, that's weird
[09:37] <benonsoftware> Sorry about that
[09:37] <sagaci> i'll fix it if you want
[09:37] <sagaci> there's others around
[09:39] <benonsoftware> head_victim: One person has submited a complaint to the ACC so far
[09:39] <benonsoftware>  /ACC/ACCC
[09:43] <head_victim> benonsoftware: I wouldn't discourage people from advising them of the possibility but as for asserting that's already a done deal and their intention, well that's another story.
[09:44] <benonsoftware> Yeah
[09:44] <benonsoftware> I sorta get what you mean
[09:52] <benonsoftware> See you all
[11:47] <head_victim> Oh goody, it appears the post to the UAU list is going to end up in my inbox multiple times, I've already received it from other mailing lists as well :/
[13:58] <head_victim> Hmm when is daylight savings starting?
[13:58] <head_victim> The october meeting is UTC+11 for some reason
[13:58] <head_victim> Damn
[14:08] <head_victim> I was wondering why the events were an hour off what I was expecting. On that note, I'll stop talking to myself


[09:07] <artnay> mdke: dpm , about ubuntu-docs, ping?
[09:25] <dpm> hi artnay, what's up?
[09:27] <artnay> dpm: about one's name missing from translation info page / contributors list. I think it's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/484981
[09:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged]
[09:28] <artnay> dpm: when I go to my LP page, click on translations I see my latest contributions. I see the latest changes that I made to ubuntu-docs but the link itself still directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-help
[09:29] <artnay> dpm: and we've lost a lot of contributors names
[09:29] <artnay> dpm: and it's not just about ubuntu-docs, see for example compare these: https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/20/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/22/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details
[09:30] <artnay> see for ex... (I pasted my lines from yesterday :-))
[09:30] <dpm> artnay, wait, I don't understand this part: "the link itself still directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-help"
[09:30] <artnay> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/~jiri-gronroos 14 hours ago?ubuntu-docs? source package in Oneiric
[09:30] <artnay> dpm: but that link directs to ubuntu project, not ubuntu-docs
[09:31] <artnay> so I get OOPS-dbc16cbf53e41be4e2ce08ed4efecbb6 - should I file a bug against LP?
[09:31] <ubot4> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=dbc16cbf53e41be4e2ce08ed4efecbb6
[09:32] <dpm> artnay, if I go to this link shown in your dashboard: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+filter?person=jiri-gronroos and then I click on the first link, it does take me to the right place. Which link is not working for you?
[09:32] <artnay> dpm: so when I go to ubuntu-docs and watch the contributors list, some names are missing. I'm still able to see my own translations by setting the filter manually to url line
[09:33] <dpm> let's center on one issue at a time ^
[09:33] <artnay> Lost something?
[09:33] <artnay> dpm: 14 hours ago?ubuntu-docs? source package in Oneiric <- that link points to ubuntu project although it's been transferred to ubuntu-docs
[09:34] <artnay> so when I click that link, I get the oops above
[09:34] <dpm> I don't get the oops, that's my point
[09:35] <dpm> If I go to your dashboard (https://translations.launchpad.net/~jiri-gronroos) and then click on "14 hours ago “ubuntu-docs” source package in Oneiric" it takes me to the right package in Ubuntu
[09:35] <artnay> well I already asked if someone could help me with that on #launchpad
[09:35] <dpm> without oops
[09:35] <artnay> dpm: but there's no such package anymore, it has been moved to its own project
[09:35] <artnay> this one here https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+translate
[09:36] <dpm> well, you asked me too, and I'm trying to help as well
[09:36] <artnay> dpm: sure thing and I appreciate your effort
[09:36] <dpm> artnay, oh, now I understand the issue
[09:36] <dpm> ok, let me explain:
[09:37] <dpm> the reason why I don't see the oops is because I'm an admin, so I'm taken to the right package, even though it's disabled
[09:37] <dpm> I think on this one we should enable the ubuntu-help package back, and this would sort out your issue
[09:37] <dpm> let me talk to kelemengabor later on about this one
[09:38] <dpm> so that will sort out problem 1)
[09:38] <artnay> dpm: furthermore, I can't see my name on contributors list (which makes it hard for me to filter my own results, see what others have changed etc.) on ubuntu-docs page ( https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+details ) although I'm able to filter manually my results by setting my account to url line like https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+filter?person=jiri-gronroos
[09:40] <artnay> and the same thing is happening with deja-dup (the links I provided above)
[09:41] <dpm> Problem 2) is about the bug in Launchpad, which unfortunately I cannot help you much with :( - On this one I'd recommend to talk to the launchpad folks
[09:42] <artnay> dpm: do you think it's related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/484981 ?
[09:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged]
[09:42] <artnay> or should I file a new one?
[09:44] <dpm> artnay, I think it might be related to the existing one. I.e. the list of contributors is not carried over when creating a new shared template
[09:44] <artnay> but since there is no trunk series and LP suggests to translate oneiric series...
[09:45] <dpm> I think the bug is not about the type of series itself, it's more about carrying over contributor credits to new templates in new series
[09:49]  * TLE getting in line behind artnay for a dpm audience ;)
[09:50]  * dpm would feel honoured to grant audience :)
[09:50] <dpm> just replying to your e-mail, btw :)
[09:51] <TLE> awesome, let me know when you guys are done
[09:54] <artnay> dpm: can see you who was the creator of https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/
[09:54] <artnay> dpm: with deja-dup the creator for 20 series seems to be "Jussi" but for 22 it's Launchpad Translations Administrators
[09:56] <dpm> artnay, I'm not sure what you mean by "Creator". There is no such thing. If you're referring to the name of the person which appears next to the stats page, that's simply the name of the last translator. In terms of translator credits for 'ubuntu-help', they seem to be fine and include you as well: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/734028/
[09:57] <artnay> dpm: see https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/20/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details - there's "Creator" on the left side
[09:57] <artnay> but it's different in 22 series: https://translations.launchpad.net/deja-dup/22/+pots/deja-dup/fi/+details
[09:57] <artnay> just want to make sure it doesn't have to do anything with this
[09:59] <dpm> artnay, oh, I didn't know the "Creator" field existed. In any case, I assume it's the first person who submitted a translation or created the translation file, and I'm guessing it's got nothing to do with bug 484981. Perhaps danilos can confirm, without having to go in much detail?
[09:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484981 in launchpad "Incomplete/empty list of contributors in non-trunk series (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484981
[10:00] <dpm> artnay, in any case, just for the record, "Launchpad Translations Administrators" was the creator of 'ubuntu-help' in oneiric
[10:00] <danilos> dpm, yes, that's pofile.owner, a person that initiated a creation of the POFile (i.e. the first to do any translation) or rosetta-admins, not used for anything at all
[10:03] <artnay> ok, I created https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/888474
[10:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 888474 in launchpad "List of translation contributors is not carried over when creating a new shared template (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:03] <artnay> hope it's clear enough
[10:04] <dpm> thanks artnay
[10:12] <artnay> you're welcome. I could ask the following now: are there any plans to make filtering more useful? e.g. show only translations made by me that have been overwritten (probably someone else has fixed a mistake), ordering translations by the date etc. I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/230686 and bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/87513 has already been fixed
[10:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 230686 in launchpad "Combining search and filtering on +translate pages (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged]
[10:13] <artnay> or is there any way to filter and make a custom order (by a date) in url?
[10:14] <artnay> that would be very helpful with templates that have ~3000 translatable items (ubuntu-help)
[10:31] <TLE> dpm: Hey, I drafted a UDS highlights post for the social medias, I have written something for the sessions that I attended and I was wondering if you would fill something in for the remaining sessions. I send the draft to you in an email.
[10:32] <TLE> it does not have to be more than a few lines per session or the post will be huge
[10:33] <dpm> artnay, afaik, there are no plans, although I agree it would be very helpful. One way to start is to file a bug fleshing out the feature request
[10:34] <dpm> TLE, cool, let me finish off the reply to your first e-mail and then look at this one, thanks!
[10:44] <TLE> dpm: cool
[11:01] <dpm> TLE, so it seems we're all set. I'll work on the sessions summary as well.
[11:03] <TLE> dpm: I _just_ wrote you another email, saying I'll wait two hours with writing pitti, but other than that, yes we are all good
[11:03] <dpm> TLE, did you reply to Simos in private?
[11:04] <TLE> yes, and I forgot to CC you, I didn't want to do it on the list, since that might enlist more requests for postponements
[11:04] <dpm> TLE, that was my thought, well done :)
[11:51] <artnay> danilos: ping, I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/425590
[11:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 425590 in launchpad "Improve layout of POFile:+filter (affects: 1)" [High,Triaged]
[11:51] <artnay> danilos: I'm unable to see https://devpad.canonical.com/~danilo/pages/pofile-filter.jpg due to permissions, do you have a copy somewhere?
[11:55] <danilos> artnay, it's not a very useful photo, I can copy it somewhere for you once I come back from lunch
[11:59] <artnay> danilos: I think you've listed at least some features I spoke of earlier so I don't want to create a dupe. but yeah, if you're able to give a public link to the photo, I'd be thankful. also the .dev link doesn't work for me.
[13:25] <dpm> TLE, Greek langpack tested :)
[13:32] <dpm> also, in other news, we've reached 1001 people who like http://www.facebook.com/ubuntu.translators :)
[13:34] <TLE> dpm: Greek language pack, check, I'll write Martin
[13:34] <TLE> facebook, nice, we are at 103 on G+
[13:34] <dpm> \o/
[13:35] <dpm> time to start some healthy competition g+/FB :)
[13:35] <dpm> scratch healthy
[13:35] <dpm> bloody is more entertaining
[13:37] <TLE> oh yeah
[13:40] <dpm> :)
[13:48] <TLE> dpm: btw
[13:49] <TLE> on a totally onrelated and non-translated issue, do you know if it is somewhere documented what it is that quickly does
[13:49] <TLE> I mean not how to use it, but how the templates for unity has been put together and what decisions lead to what programming structures and technologies used and so on
[13:53] <dpm> TLE, I don't think there is anything Unity-specific. I can talk about technologies, but not programming structures (didrocks and mterry should be the ones for that). The idea was to put together the best open source tech in one place, so to that extend, quickly is just the glue for all these: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/quickly-workflow/
[14:01] <dpm> ok, lunch time
[14:02] <TLE> dpm: sorry that was non-sense, it was supposed to say quickly both places, thanks
[14:51] <danilos> artnay, for the .dev link, you need to run LP locally, if it still doesn't work, that'd be surprising
[14:52] <artnay> danilos: thought so, at least icann wasn't giving any .dev TLDs back in 2009 ;)
[14:56] <danilos> artnay, http://people.canonical.com/~danilo/pofile-filter.jpg should work, but as I said, there's not much there :)
[14:57] <artnay> danilos: thanks. well at least there's something. that feature would require a blueprint, I guess.
[14:57] <artnay> danilos: I'll add more comments to your bug later on
[15:01] <danilos> artnay, LP doesn't use blueprints for development
[15:04] <TLE> really *G*


[16:09] <bkerensa> Morning Everyone!
[16:12] <Brian_H> howdy
[16:15] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Any thoughts on bugsquad focus for Sunday?
[16:15] <bdmurray> in a meeting
[16:15] <bkerensa> k
[16:19] <bdmurray> I'm happy to work on SRU verification or confirming bugs about a package or whatever…  Do you have any ideas?
[16:23] <bkerensa> bdmurray: SRU Verification sounds good.... Perhaps heavy triaging (Finding Duplicates, Etc)
[16:23] <bkerensa> bdmurray: We have a handful of students from WOU that I have been mentoring who will be attending who are very interested in learning about triaging bugs and contributing to the BugSquad
[16:24] <bdmurray> bkerensa: okay, cool do you know if they are using Oneiric or Precise? maybe we should have live cds for testing things with precise?
[16:26] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I am unsure but we do have 15 confirmed attendees right now and 5 maybe with a uncertain amount of unknowns from WOU... I can bring some Live CD's (USB) I have a handful
[16:26] <bkerensa> slangasek: Will you need a projecter on Sunday? Also and thoughts on some things we can do to benefit this cycle this Sunday?
[16:29] <slangasek> bkerensa: hmm, a projector would be welcome... I had sorta assumed there'd be one
[16:29] <slangasek> since it was proposed that I present things :)
[16:30] <bkerensa> slangasek: I hope FreeGeek does have one somewhere bu I just wanted to run it by them just in case.... To my knowledge we will have a pretty open access to the facilities (Multiple Rooms)
[16:31] <bdmurray> if they don't have a projector let me know as I have one
[16:32] <bkerensa> sure
[16:32] <bkerensa> shirgall: Any chance you might make it?
[16:32] <bkerensa> :)
[16:32] <shirgall> bkerensa: It's not looking good at this point
[16:33] <bkerensa> shirgall: ok well hopefully we will see you for release party
[16:33] <shirgall> bkerensa: gotta do these things when I'm not nailed with travel or worse :)
[16:33] <bkerensa> shirgall: You can blame Michael Hall on Jono's team... I think he picks the date or did this time round
[16:33] <bkerensa> :P
[16:35] <shirgall> :)
[17:07] <bkerensa> slangasek: Had you any ideas on things you might want to work on since we were going to have a Jam/BSP in March again? I'm hoping we could roll that in.
[17:10] <slangasek> bkerensa: well, I might try to cook up a list of bugs that are release-critical for wheezy and relevant for 12.04
[17:10] <bkerensa> slangasek: Sounds good