 @wxl [<wxl> anyone against wednesday for the meeting? do you care @teward001 @lynorian …], nothing against it.  But availability is spotty at the moment.
[01:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: improve theming] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3153
 @tsimonq2 [Wanna create a CodiMD doc to track merges and cleanups?], I will do it. I already have the list up in #styleonly
[02:01] <kc2bez> @The_Loudspeaker I already have a start on it but you are welcome to go for it if you have something handy.
 Feel free to drop in that channel or pm on telegram (if you don't want spam here) /here. I think a couple of initial ones need to be looked upon. I did wrong debdiffs. You can look at lxqt-l10n commit. That one and before that need to be looked. Tho l10n is no more used so that can be left.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> @The_Loudspeaker I already have a start on it but you are welcome to go …], K. I will paste them here in a while. I am not near a keyboard rn.
 Fwd from Inq_bot: <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTOPENSSHASKPASSPACKAGING5b12c424f345f0ada7eb5b0ac8cc07211efc4c61
 Fwd from Inq_bot: <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTNOTIFICATIONDPACKAGING2fbf2a930d26a52692ca39abc7f0a0957ddeab3b
 Fwd from Inq_bot: <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTLTENNPACKAGING3506c5b0b7d862753d5ddc27361f981f479cdf21
 Fwd from Inq_bot: <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTADMINPACKAGING0228e0c017284885cab3ad20d9b6f49ffd27f7f3
 Fwd from Inq_bot: <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLXQTABOUTPACKAGING145d015a5b0251d1af070a8430278f9e716a60da
[02:04] <kc2bez> You have access to notes.lubuntu.me right? That is where my list is.
 ^^ these 4 should be it.
[02:06] <kc2bez> Ok thanks, I got those. Appreciate it.
[02:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ow. Forwarded msgs from telegram look like a mess in irc.
[02:08] <kc2bez> It isn't too bad. I will clean it up in CodiMD
[02:08] <The_LoudSpeaker> Apart from those one needs approval. It is mentioned in the paste you sent yesterday kc2bez .
[02:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D81
[02:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Correctly Merge from Merge-o-Matic: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D81
[02:09] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ I will add @tsimonq2  and you as reviewers.
[02:11] <kc2bez> Sure, I will add it in.
 Also, I'll need a help understanding the error here: … https://phab.lubuntu.me/P67 … It is stopping me from updating  … https://phab.lubuntu.me/D79
[02:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Merge from Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D79
[02:17] <kc2bez> It looks like a cmake error https://phab.lubuntu.me/P67$65
[02:23] <kc2bez> hint - There is an issue with d/rules
 Ow. i missed that. But apart from that I also saw a error at another line at https://phab.lubuntu.me/P67$1180 … Pop up in the terminal but didn't pipe in to arc paste.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> hint - There is an issue with d/rules], I will take a look when I am free.
[02:26] <kc2bez> Sounds good. The later errors more than likely stem from the earlier one.
 Ow wait. I did check d/rules that day. There wasn't anything suspicious. It was the same. But I will still have a look.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Sounds good. The later errors more than likely stem from the earlier on …], Looks like it. I will create a fresh merge and try.
[06:20] <Erpung4> hi, where to look if want to contribute to lubuntu 20.04 devel (and/or testing)? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers seems outdated (still talks about LXDE and Qt discovery)
[07:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: improve theming] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3155
[07:42] <apt-ghetto> Erpung4: lubuntu.me and especially phab.lubuntu.me
[14:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: improve theming] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3157
 @guiverc are you here?
 Regarding the wrong debdiffs in the commits I mentioned in the commits I mentioned earlier, I can fix them with .dsc and source of debian version and previous ubuntu version. I will get to them once I fix all those that are currently stuck in Merge-o-Matic. If no one goes for them before me.
 @kc2bez I think the other options in kdeglobals can be configured with "kcmshell5 breezestyleconfig" but didn't apply to us. Color hould be configured with "kcmshell5 kcm_colors" but that needs plasma. Why can we launch breezestyleconfig remain as a mistery to me.
 Good to know. Thanks @HMollerCl I certainly don't understand it any better than you at this point XD.


[05:05] <ali1234> bug 1263591
[08:03] <Unit193> knome: For later, reminding that you didn't push all changes for pt.po.
[08:03] <knome> mm,
[08:03] <knome> i didn't do all changes yet
[08:03] <knome> remind me again then :P
[09:33] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: thanks for the help the other day
[09:33] <ochosi> pmjdebru2jn: di niente :)
[09:33] <pmjdebru2jn> while I'm at it, I do wonder about another thing
[09:33] <ochosi> sure
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> in some instances we (=darktable) launch firefox, which seems to inherent parts of our theming
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> which makes it look ugly
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> any tips where to look?
[09:34] <ochosi> does it just inherit parts?
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> to be honest I haven't invested much time into that yet, but i sortof want to give it a go to get that fixed
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> IIRC
[09:34] <ochosi> hm, ok
[09:34] <pmjdebru2jn> I can check tonight
[09:35]  * pmjdebru2jn can't right now
[09:35] <ochosi> no problem
[09:35] <ochosi> i presume that an app inherits the gtk-theming settings when it's launched from another ap
[09:35] <ochosi> p
[09:35] <ochosi> i've never done that before, so it might as well be firefox/XUL specific
[09:36] <pmjdebru2jn> hmm ok
[09:36] <ochosi> the only thing i can think of off the top of my head how to fix that is to load the default gtkrc file when launching firefox
[09:36] <pmjdebru2jn> ok
[09:36] <ochosi> you can set specific rc files for apps when launching them (i guess you know that)
[09:36] <pmjdebru2jn> tonight I'll look into the coe, how we launch firefox
[09:36] <ochosi> so this is how i'd try to tackle that
[09:36] <pmjdebru2jn> I'll do some digging
[09:36] <pmjdebru2jn> thanks
[09:36] <ochosi> either load /home/$user/.gtkrc-2.0 (and hope that if that doesn't exist that it'll fall back to the system theme)
[09:37] <ochosi> or try to determine the currently-in-use theme somehow and load that
[09:37] <ochosi> not sure whether there are builtin calls for the latter in gtk2
[09:37] <ochosi> might turn out to be complicated
[09:38] <ochosi> trying to load a non-existant gtkrc-2.0 file could also result in nothing though, as it could fall back to your darktable rc
[09:38] <ochosi> so as you can see, lotsa guessing :)
[09:38] <ochosi> best to get in touch with me again once you can take a real look at it
[09:40] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:41] <ochosi> morning
[09:44] <slickymaster> hey ochosi
[13:32] <ochosi> ali1234: so since there is a xubuntu-specific part of the whole problem, what's your opinion on what we should use for 14.04?
[13:32] <ali1234> i got no idea
[13:33] <ochosi> i guess we could throw together a gnome-screensaver version forked from 3.6 that looks like our greeter and has no gnome depends
[13:33] <ali1234> i don't even use a screensaver or lock my computer
[13:33] <ali1234> what was used in 13.10?
[13:33] <ochosi> xscreensaver
[13:33] <ochosi> (we've used that for ages)
[13:33] <ali1234> we should probably just use that, assuming it works
[13:33] <ali1234> it is LTS after all
[13:34] <ali1234> what screensaver is used in ubuntu-desktop?
[13:34] <ochosi> gnome-screensaver
[13:34] <ochosi> but it has lotsa gnome-depends that we don't want
[13:34] <ochosi> something like gnome-settings-daemon etc
[13:34] <ali1234> well if we're going to do this, they might want to use it too - eg if possible we should support unity-greeter as well
[13:34] <ali1234> if only so that there's more people to support the code
[13:35] <ochosi> i agree
[13:35] <ochosi> forking gnome-screensaver can be done by going back in history in the light-locker git-repo a bit
[13:35] <ali1234> it's probably something for 14.10 though
[13:35] <ochosi> we started by stripping out gnome-depends
[13:36] <ochosi> yeah, i guess, unless it works really well :)
[13:37] <ali1234> first step would be investigating/documenting the interface between dm and greeter
[13:37] <ali1234> depending on how that looks will determine how hard it is
[13:37] <ochosi> i think it would be ideal to talk to robert_ancell before we start anything
[13:38] <ochosi> he can tell us, since he's the author of lightdm (and he's usually quite responsive)
[13:40] <ali1234> yeah
[13:43] <ochosi> initially, we started like this
[13:43] <ochosi> we basically set up gnome-screensaver to lock the screen
[13:43] <ochosi> and then if you'd go to "switch user" that would do the VT switch (also from the lock-screen)
[13:45] <ochosi> but if you decide to unlock your session then from the greeter instead of from gnome-screensaver (i.e.VT8 instead of VT7) gnome-screensaver needs to listen to CK signals to unlock automatically, so you don't have to enter your pwd twice
[13:45] <ochosi> and after we did all that and it seemed complicated, we thought it's ideal to use the greeter directly as lockscreen
[13:46] <ochosi> some of the issues (like powermanagement in a multi-user env in the greeter) remain even with the solution of using a locker on the same VT
[13:55] <ochosi> ali1234: one problem of using the greeter for the "first" lockscreen, is that it allows user-switching directly
[13:55] <ali1234> well it has a "lock mode" option right?
[13:56] <ochosi> so lightdm would definitely have to modified to support that, or greeters would have to use the lock_hint to suppress user-switching
[13:56] <ali1234> the greeter will certainly need to be modified a bit to support this
[13:56] <ali1234> yeah, lock hint
[13:57] <ochosi> so something like an extra button for user-switching would have to be added to open the greeter again on another VT with full capabilities
[13:58] <ochosi> (the elegant solution would be to only open the new VT after entering the new credentials in the greeter)
[13:59] <ali1234> sounds like it's getting complicated
[14:00] <ochosi> well if you want a really elegant solution, i guess the best way would be to extend lightdm with locking capabilities instead of trying to make gnome-.screensaver play dm
[14:01] <ochosi> (basically what gnome3 did, from what i read)
[14:01] <ali1234> hmm
[14:02] <ochosi> anyway, if we wanna do it the gnome-screensaver-way, the first stage should be simple
[14:02] <ochosi> having a gnome-free locker with UI that responds to unlock signals from the greeter
[14:03] <ali1234> i don't think extending lightdm would necessarily be any easier
[14:03] <ali1234> i mean it would still need a whole bunch of different code to make it work
[14:05] <ochosi> yeah, and secure locking isn't trivial at all...
[14:06] <ochosi> need to talk to cavalier about this
[14:08] <ochosi> xnox: this is one of our most-needed fixes (if you have time to look at it), with these fixes our live session should work again as expected (courtesy of Unit193): https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/session-fix/+merge/198177
[15:47] <brainwash> ochosi: do you think that adding hover activation for gtk3 indicators might be a good idea? I'm not sure if I should request this (optional) feature
[15:48] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm not really fond of the idea
[15:48] <ochosi> there is no hover-activation anywhere else
[15:48] <ochosi> so it wouldn't be very intuitive, just annoying i suppose
[15:48] <brainwash> right, it would be disabled by default
[15:48] <ochosi> yeah, but why would you want it?
[15:49] <ochosi> the rest of the panel would still need you to click
[15:49] <brainwash> Unity does it and I like it
[15:49] <ochosi> so it'd be a very isolated behavior
[15:49] <ochosi> gmusicbrowser has hover-activation of it's tray-popover, and luckily introduced a timeout, because it was really annoying
[15:49] <brainwash> but you could setup an only gtk3 indi panel
[15:49] <brainwash> well, almost
[15:51] <brainwash> I'll try to code it myself, sounds like fun
[15:52] <brainwash> oh, any idea why shadows for xfce4-panel are not possible right now? any specific limitations?
[15:52] <ochosi> shadows?
[15:52] <ochosi> you mean below?
[15:52] <brainwash> yes, drop shadow
[15:52] <brainwash> (like Unity does)
[15:52] <brainwash> :D
[15:52] <ochosi> they only ever worked briefly, xfwm doesn't draw that kind of shadow
[15:52] <ochosi> seems like you wanna use Unity? :)
[15:53] <brainwash> I want to make Xfce the better Unity
[15:53] <ochosi> same with xfce4-notifyd, that also doesn't have shadows for the same reason (iirc)
[15:53] <brainwash> ok
[15:54] <knome> "no, i don't want to use unity, just the features that are in it!"
[15:55] <brainwash> hover activation and a drop shadow.. this won't turn Xfce into Unity :)
[15:56] <brainwash> just some small things to make it more awesome (optional ofc)
[15:56] <ali1234> i want to use unity but without the features
[15:56] <ali1234> no hover activation
[15:56] <ali1234> and definitely no drop shadows unless they are in the theme
[15:57] <ali1234> unity's stupid drop shadow causes so many problems
[15:58] <brainwash> talking about unity reminds me that I wanted to re-test XMir
[15:59] <brainwash> to see if it improved
[15:59] <ochosi> brainwash: please test it with nvidia :}
[15:59] <brainwash> only got AMD and intel
[16:01] <brainwash> the major issue back then was the software cursor
[16:01] <brainwash> too bad that we don't keep an eye on XMir anymore
[16:02] <brainwash> a solid LTS release is more important
[16:51] <micahg_> hi all, sorry, was not feeling well most of last week
[17:11] <slickymaster> ochosi: PING
[17:11]  * slickymaster damns the Caps Lock on
[17:40] <elfy> ochosi: just so you are aware - I've absolutely no idea what that odd suspend reboot issue I was having was - but since then this machine's not been 'off' suspend and lock is all I've done
[17:40] <slickymaster> hey elfy
[17:40] <elfy> micahg: such is real life - hope you're better now
[17:41] <elfy> hi slickymaster - congrats on team :)
[17:41] <slickymaster> thanks
[17:41] <elfy> I see you've been busy too
[17:41] <elfy> had that merge you got k to do on my list for this evening
[17:41] <slickymaster> elfy: that's why I was going to poke you
[17:41] <slickymaster> I've also updated Trello and the blueprint on that
[17:42] <elfy> yep - saw the blueprint - not been to the board yet
[17:42] <slickymaster> I'll try to get bug 1256898 done this weel, also
[17:43] <pmjdebru2jn> ochosi: it was so trivial (at the theme inheritance)
[17:43] <pmjdebru2jn> I just had another look (I also did a while ago, but gave up)
[17:43] <slickymaster> just wanting to finish the xfdesktop docs for ochosi before it
[17:43] <pmjdebru2jn> https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/commit/3801fc3acc8ee1d3fc19b7fedd1724acf2b8e416
[17:44] <pmjdebru2jn> sorry for the offtopic bit
[17:44] <elfy> slickymaster: ok - I'll be on the week off cycle Thursday so will have much more time - and health is much improved
[17:44] <elfy> slickymaster: yep - I saw that too - docs is important :)
[17:44] <slickymaster> elfy: that's good to ear, and it's what I call good news
[17:44] <elfy> thanks :)
[17:44] <elfy> hi pmjdebru2jn
[17:45] <pmjdebru2jn> lo
[17:48] <elfy> slickymaster: I think the only test we need to replace now we've lost the old post install tests is the bluetooth one
[17:49]  * elfy got a couple of merge requests to get seen to
[17:53] <slickymaster> elfy: are you referring to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/packages/1591_Blueman ?
[17:53] <elfy> aah yes - that was it - thanks :D
[17:53] <slickymaster> elfy: well, if i manage to get my hands on a device with bluetooth, I'll do it
[17:53] <elfy> needed to make sure that was a replacement for our old test - then we just need to add the 3 - multi mons/bluetooth/suspend in somewhere useful
[17:53] <elfy> oh cool
[17:53] <elfy> my thinking is that the old suspend test should now be part of the lightlocker testing
[17:53] <elfy> knome slickymaster ^^
[17:54] <slickymaster> my cell phone is kind of pre-historical and doesn't have it
[17:55] <elfy> Unit193 lderan ^^ you 2 too - given your in that team ;)
[17:55] <elfy> slickymaster: my phone has bluetooth - but none of the PCs/lappies do :)
[17:55] <elfy> slickymaster: you at a machine with xubuntu on it?
[17:55] <elfy> or at work without?
[17:56] <slickymaster> at work with boxes, one saucy and one trusty
[17:56] <slickymaster> two ^^
[17:57] <elfy> iuf you get time with the trusty one - can you have a look - panel prefs - display tab
[17:57] <elfy> http://imgur.com/2cVgrlj,94e3V4T#1 - can you check the tooltips - mine are fubar
[17:57] <slickymaster> do you want a screenshot of mine?
[17:58] <elfy> ochosi: doesn't see it , but I'm possibly going to drop a line to the m/l re it - especially if people using the ppa's respond
[17:58] <elfy> slickymaster: no need for a screeny if the tooltips are correct
[17:58] <elfy> or if not either :) just let me know what you see
[18:00] <slickymaster> mine is quite similar to yours, besides the fact that I have the "Don't reserve space on borders" option ticked
[18:00] <elfy> so your tooltips for don't reserve is wrong as well?
[18:00] <slickymaster> other than that everything seems ok with yours
[18:01] <slickymaster> how come wrong?!
[18:01] <slickymaster> The way I read it, the label is correct
[18:02] <elfy> check my screenshots - there are two images there
[18:02] <slickymaster> oh wait
[18:02] <slickymaster> I just saw the first one
[18:03] <elfy> :)
[18:04] <slickymaster> no, mine are correct for each of them
[18:04] <slickymaster> na I see what you mean
[18:04] <elfy> ok - thanks
[18:04] <slickymaster> yours, aren't
[18:04] <elfy> yep - the don't reserve is wrong
[18:05] <slickymaster> I'm running 4.10.1-1ubuntu2 version though
[18:05] <slickymaster> elfy xfce-panel ^^
[18:08] <elfy> 4.11.0~1.master.gitd296ca7-0ubuntu1~ppa0.14.04
[18:11] <slickymaster> elfy: that's probably why mine are correct and yours aren't
[18:11] <slickymaster> but I can get that PPA and check how does it works on this box
[18:12] <slickymaster> elfy: it's Jackson's PPA, right?
[18:12] <elfy> it's ok - I've sent a quick mail to the list - ochosi wasn't too concerned, I just want a quick check
[18:12] <slickymaster> ok, if you want me to confirm it later on, just ping me on it
[18:12] <elfy> yes it's jackson's - but I'll be more concerned if I see it when the stuff gets into install
[18:12] <elfy> slickymaster: k - thanks :)
[18:12] <slickymaster> np
[18:12] <slickymaster> bbl
[18:13] <elfy> cheerio
[18:16] <brainwash> elfy: what is fubar about the tooltips?
[18:17] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/2cVgrlj.png
[18:17] <elfy> I have the same tootip for hide panel and don't reserve :)
[18:18] <brainwash> using the same package and it's fine here
[18:19] <elfy> odd - on the bright side it's probably just here and I picked up on it
[18:31] <brainwash> elfy: it always looks like I cannot confirm the bugs you encounter and vice versa
[18:32] <brainwash> you only test inside a vm, right? shouldn't matter most of the time anyway
[18:34] <ali1234> elfy: same here
[18:34] <ali1234> elfy: could be a translation issue
[18:35] <elfy> brainwash: not at all - this machine is a real one - I use it and have been using it since more or less the beginning - though this particular install is only a few weeks old - vanilla plus the 4 ppa's for tabwin/panel etc
[18:36] <elfy> ali1234: ok - cheers - thought I was losing the plot :)
[18:37] <ali1234> elfy: using en_GB by any chance?
[18:37] <brainwash> en_US here
[18:37] <elfy> brainwash: though I do test images with both hardware and vm
[18:37] <elfy> ali1234: yep
[18:37] <ali1234> looks like somebody goofed and copy pasted the same translation multiple times
[18:42] <elfy> yep - that confirms that then - switched to US and all was fine
[18:43] <elfy> bbl
[18:43] <ali1234> yeah it's definitely a problem in the po file... i'm looking at it right now
[18:45] <ali1234> bug was introduced in the most recent commit
[18:46] <elfy> that's probably the sort of thing it might be good for me to look at, being voodoo averse - I guess it's quite logical to see where it's wrong
[18:51] <ali1234> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/xfce4-panel/viewstrings/#en_GB/master/13936244?q=if%20you%20want%20maximized%20windows
[18:51] <ali1234> the two translations are right next to each other in the file too
[18:51] <elfy> not got login to that
[18:51] <ali1234> oh :(
[18:53] <ali1234> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/tree/po/en_GB.po#n421 <- here's the source
[18:53] <ali1234> translations are done on transifex and autoimported though
[18:53] <elfy> right
[18:53] <ali1234> i have login but no access to work on the translations
[18:55] <elfy> I'll have a look a bit later - see if I can see anything other than gobbledygook :)
[18:55] <ali1234> Noskcaj: can you fix this?
[18:56] <Noskcaj> ali1234, What's the issue?
[18:56] <ali1234> the en+GB translation is messed... some copy paste error
[18:57] <ali1234> https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/xfce4-panel/viewstrings/#en_GB/master/13936244?q=if%20you%20want%20maximized%20windows
[18:57] <ali1234> the "translation" is a copy paste... but it's a copy paste from the wrong origin
[18:58] <Noskcaj> yeah. I have translation rights, just let me remember how to edit
[18:59] <ali1234> also, general advice on what to do with translation bugs would be appreciated
[19:00] <Noskcaj> I'm guessing contact someone who will fixit. If you can't, file a bug of the bugzilla
[19:01] <ali1234> if i patch the po by hand, will that mess up transifex? or is it bidirectional?
[19:01] <Unit193> brainwash: I more or less do with XMir, but I've been waiting for the archive to land 0.1.3 before doing anything, and it's really lagging.
[19:04] <Noskcaj> ali1234, I think it's bidirectional
[19:05] <Noskcaj> Fixed
[19:05] <ali1234> thanks
[19:13] <micahg> elfy: getting there
[19:23] <elfy> ali1234: well if nothing else - that is all logical enough for me to see where it's wrong :)
[19:23] <elfy> micahg: good - I feel your pain
[19:28] <elfy> who's this guy who keeps posting on xubuntu bugs and then thinking they're ubuntu ones
[19:28] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1171411
[19:29]  * pmjdebru2jn has 117411 too
[19:29] <ali1234> elfy: penalvch?
[19:29] <pmjdebru2jn> but only the stipled borders
[19:31] <Unit193> elfy: Someone that's not doing a good job with the scripts, didn't replace the bug number either. :/


[13:00] <willdeberry> so launchpad is still giving me issues logging in this morning, am hoping someone is available to assist please: (Error ID: OOPS-68b8677c69a137c5390e0ec19a0f7065)
[23:52] <willdeberry> been locked out or something since saturday night
[23:57] <willdeberry> tsimonq2: been wanting to work on some merges, but without lp access, I am kida stuck
[23:58] <tsimonq2> willdeberry: ic
[23:58] <tsimonq2> willdeberry: Go to #canonical-sysadmin and ping the vanguard in the topic
[23:58] <tsimonq2> They can help.
[23:58] <willdeberry> will do
[23:58] <willdeberry> ty
[23:59] <tsimonq2> willdeberry: Actually, email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:59] <tsimonq2> They help with account lockouts
[23:59] <willdeberry> perfect, will do that now


[15:13] <mup> Bug #1864201 opened: Unprivileged user can control services <MAAS:Fix Committed by ack> <MAAS 2.7:Fix Released by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864201>
[22:35] <mup> Bug #1864563 opened: MAAS API: 'GET /MAAS/api/2.0/subnets/' does not show "description" parameter allowed in 'POST /MAAS/api/2.0/subnets/' <feature-request> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864563>


[01:40] <lostConnection> has any one seen this terminal message before "Error:command line file name required, exiting."
[01:41] <lostConnection> I was trying to run a program I had recently compile and I got that.
[01:49] <canthus13> lostConnection: Nope. try google. :)
[01:49] <lostConnection> I did but I just figured it out.
[01:50] <lostConnection> I wrote a program that read from a file. Well I for got to include the data file when I uploaded the program...
[01:54] <lostConnection> nope that wasn't it.... oh man
[01:54] <djoe> use strace?
[01:57] <lostConnection> huh I don't know that command but I will look it up.
[01:59] <Cheri703> so there's a "conan the barbarian" movie coming out in the summer, has jason momoa (guy from stargate atlantis) as the lead
[02:00] <Unit193> What guy from SGA??
[02:00] <Cheri703> ronan
[02:00] <Cheri703> I think
[02:01] <Cheri703> I think that was his name
[02:01] <Cheri703> whichever one looked most like he could also play a barbarian ;)
[02:01] <Unit193> Ronan Dex
[02:02] <Cheri703> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0597388/
[02:02] <Cheri703> yeah
[02:02] <Cheri703> heh, he used to be on baywatch
[04:44] <TheErk> Howdy peeps
[04:44] <Unit193> Hey TheErk!
[04:44] <TheErk> Sup Unit193
[04:45] <Unit193> Not much... you?


[05:26] <lotuspsychje> someone tested boot speed on systemd vivid yet?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> running faster then the classic init system?
[12:19] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning folks
[21:07] <TheBlackRussian> Hello guys, how do i install drm-intel-nightly 3.19
[21:12] <TheBlackRussian> Hello guys, how do i install drm-intel-nightly 3.19
[21:13] <teward> !repeat
[23:35] <pixelkat> sup!
[23:36] <pixelkat> how do i know if im running gnome 3.14 or 3.12 on ubuntu 15.04
[23:36] <pixelkat> also, how do i get minecraft working
[23:36] <pixelkat> and is it hard to make money on youtube channels?
[23:36] <pixelkat> what if i do a lot of let's plays?
[23:37] <pixelkat> can i dual boot mac osx and ubuntu?


[02:09] <sconklin> lamont: I just posted some test kernels for the NAT/filtering issue, there's a link in the bug. If you have a chance to test those, I'll probably follow with further test kernels, Thanks!
[02:38] <lamont> ok
[02:38] <lamont> sconklin: ^^
[02:40] <sconklin> ack
[08:35]  * apw yawns
[08:35] <RAOF> More bees!
[08:35] <jk-> BEES!
[08:36] <apw> COVERED in bees
[11:33] <ppisati> apw: are you working today?
[11:33] <apw> ppisati, yep and here, was that you i heard?
[11:34] <ppisati> apw: so, i have a cve fix that imo is not needed in a branch
[11:34] <ppisati> apw: how does it work? shall someone review it?
[11:34] <ppisati> apw: it's not event in the .y tree
[11:35] <apw> ppisati, if you believe its not needed, then we do nothing and move on
[11:35] <ppisati> ok
[11:35] <apw> for example if the code does not exist which is affected, then we just need to mark the CVE task for that release Invalid
[11:35] <apw> and let me know so i can make sure the tracker gets updated
[11:36] <ppisati> actually the code exist, but it's slightly different
[11:36] <ppisati> and it seems the check is already there
[11:36] <apw> then thats fine, we trust the triager (you) to work that out
[11:36] <ppisati> ok
[11:46] <ppisati> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux-fsl-imx51/+bug/737024
[11:46] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 737024 in linux-mvl-dove "CVE-2010-4263" [Undecided,In progress]
[11:46] <ppisati> this one is not needed in fsl-imx51
[11:46] <ppisati> and launchpad just ate my comment
[11:46] <ppisati> ...
[11:47] <ppisati> ok, done
[11:47] <ppisati> move it to "Not needed" in the tracker
[11:47] <apw> ppisati, will do
[12:13] <ppisati> something strange with one cve fix
[12:13] <ppisati> it's there, so it's not a security problem
[12:13] <ppisati> but the commit message was inverted between 2 patches
[12:13] <ppisati> and then one of them was applied again
[12:17] <apw> ppisati, so we applied it, reverted it and reapplied it ?
[12:17] <ppisati> apw: nope
[12:17] <ppisati> wait
[12:17] <ppisati> CVE-2011-1016
[12:18] <ubot2> ppisati: The Radeon GPU drivers in the Linux kernel before 2.6.38-rc5 do not properly validate data related to the AA resolve registers, which allows local users to write to arbitrary memory locations associated with (1) Video RAM (aka VRAM) or (2) the Graphics Translation Table (GTT) via crafted values. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1016)
[12:18] <ppisati> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2011/CVE-2011-1016.html
[12:18] <ubot2> ppisati: The Radeon GPU drivers in the Linux kernel before 2.6.38-rc5 do not properly validate data related to the AA resolve registers, which allows local users to write to arbitrary memory locations associated with (1) Video RAM (aka VRAM) or (2) the Graphics Translation Table (GTT) via crafted values. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1016)
[12:18] <ppisati> and the twp patches:
[12:18] <ppisati> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=fff1ce4dc6113b6fdc4e3a815ca5fd229408f8ef
[12:18] <ppisati> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=45e4039c3aea597ede44a264cea322908cdedfe9
[12:18] <ppisati> now, on lucid:
[12:18] <ppisati> c0cd753 drm/radeon: fix regression with AA resolve checking
[12:18] <ppisati> 7548efe drm/radeon/kms: check AA resolve registers on r300
[12:18] <ppisati> 168a4d2 drm/radeon: fix regression with AA resolve checking, CVE-2011-1016
[12:18] <ubot2> ppisati: The Radeon GPU drivers in the Linux kernel before 2.6.38-rc5 do not properly validate data related to the AA resolve registers, which allows local users to write to arbitrary memory locations associated with (1) Video RAM (aka VRAM) or (2) the Graphics Translation Table (GTT) via crafted values. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1016)
[12:18] <ppisati> 90a458e drm/radeon/kms: check AA resolve registers on r300, CVE-2011-1016
[12:18] <ubot2> ppisati: The Radeon GPU drivers in the Linux kernel before 2.6.38-rc5 do not properly validate data related to the AA resolve registers, which allows local users to write to arbitrary memory locations associated with (1) Video RAM (aka VRAM) or (2) the Graphics Translation Table (GTT) via crafted values. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1016)
[12:20] <ppisati> uhm, ok
[12:20] <apw> ppisati, well if you are sure the stuff is applied at the end of the pile then we can porbabally ignore it
[12:20] <ppisati> got it
[12:20] <ppisati> instead of reverting
[12:20] <ppisati> they logicallu reverted the patch using the commit msg
[12:20] <ppisati> and then reapplied it
[12:20] <ppisati> ok
[12:21] <apw> ok so they used a stupid name for the revert, thats fine
[12:44] <cdbs> I can see kernels on the mainline PPA, but I can't find any -modules-VERSION packages on kernel.ubuntu.com, will new kernels automatically use modules of the older version already installed on Ubuntu?
[12:45] <cdbs> For example, I'm downloading the 3.0 kernel, so will it re-use the modules debs from the 2.6.39 kernel?
[12:47] <apw> cdbs, there are no separate modules packages, they are included in the kenel images
[12:47] <cdbs> :o
[12:47] <cdbs> makes sense
[14:09] <pmatulis> i have many TCP sockets in CLOSE_WAIT states ('till DOS).  i realize this generally means an application bug but is there some quick 'n dirty way to get rid of these states in the meanwhile?
[14:10] <apw> pmatulis, if they are real i think they have to be maintained to maintain the TCP protocol correctly
[14:10] <apw> ppisati, hey, this last commit on the ti-omap4 pull request, is that a CVE fix ?
[14:11] <apw> (looks to be), if so then it should have CVE-NNNN-MMMM added abouve your signed-off-by
[14:11] <apw> also as this one has not been reviewed before it seems, it likely should be send out to the list for review and ack before application
[14:14] <pmatulis> apw: i'm sorry, i don't understand you.  are you saying 'no' to my question?  will adjusting other state values (sysctl) help (specifically WAIT_TIME)?
[14:14] <apw> you may get some help reducing those, but i think those waits are needed for proper operation on lossy links
[14:15] <apw> so there is no way to remove them en-toto
[14:16] <ppisati> apw: it's identical to the same fix in all the others branch
[14:17] <apw> ok will check into that and let you know thanks
[14:17] <pmatulis> apw: it's not a lossy link (between 2 lan servers)
[14:17] <ppisati> apw: anyway, what if axe that from my maverick/ti-omap4 so you can uppload the rest?
[14:18] <apw> ppisati, leave it with me, if i decide not to take it i'll take the rest without you needing to do anything, i'll reply in email
[14:18] <ppisati> ok
[14:18] <apw> once i've reviewed the rest
[14:23] <ogasawara> apw: were you able to get around to disabling the cron for O builds yesterday?  just want to make sure before I push the bits I have.
[14:24] <apw> i just had a look and actually we don't do pre-proposed for O yet, as there are no O PPAs yet
[14:24] <apw> ogasawara, ^^
[14:24] <apw> so you are safe
[14:25] <ogasawara> apw: cool.  I'm just gonna twiddle the changelog in my startnewrelease commit to version 3.0-0.1 and then push
[14:25] <apw> ok
[14:25] <apw> i'll get the bits to make it work on the top pronto
[14:34] <apw> ogasawara, did you do the abi as well ?
[14:34] <ogasawara> apw: yep
[14:34] <ogasawara> apw: I almost forgot
[14:34] <apw> i made that mistake the first time :(
[14:34] <ogasawara> apw: should be pushed now
[14:46] <apw> ppisati, ok all pushed ... thanks :)
[14:47] <apw> ppisati, i did have to fix a couple of commit texts on the first one, so you may find its a rebase for you to continue
[14:47] <ppisati> ok
[14:47] <ppisati> from now, i'm slightly modifying the commit i cherry pick
[14:48] <ppisati> i'm adding the CVE $id in the commit line
[14:48] <apw> its most useful on the s-o-b area, as a CVE-NNN-MMM line
[14:48] <ppisati> so when i do a log --online i can catch the cve <-> commit relationship
[14:48] <apw> ie on its own line down the bottom, as the tooling finds it
[14:48] <apw> some people do put it on the end of the subject line too , CVE-NNN-MMM
[14:49] <ppisati> so i'll add there too
[14:49] <ppisati> yep, that's what i like
[14:49] <ppisati> anyway, i'll put in the subject and bottom commit msg too
[14:49] <apw> ack sounds fine.  the table is looking much better now
[14:49] <ppisati> btw, yesterday i pushed 2 ti-omap4 tree
[14:49] <ppisati> maverick and natty
[14:49] <apw> ppisati, i've applied all three of the pushed you sent i beleieve
[14:49] <ppisati> did you review both already?
[14:49] <ppisati> ok
[14:50] <apw> all reviewed and pushed
[14:50] <apw> email reply in flight
[14:50] <ppisati> ooook
[14:51]  * apw is assuming oooook means a long OK
[14:51] <apw> rather than the OOOOK (the noise a monkey makes) which often mean something bad has happened
[14:52] <apw> ppisati, that looks so much better on the matrix :)  excellent
[14:52] <apw> kees, will be pleased
[14:56]  * ppisati never heard a monkey acking something :)
[14:58] <apw> ogasawara, ok my two tiny changes pushed ... see if that builds for you ... note that it will only do so on tangerine
[14:58] <apw> ogasawara, once i know the version-deps required i will get them added
[14:58] <ogasawara> apw: ack, will kick on off now
[14:58] <apw> ogasawara, one of those half days of work which lead to 3 lines of change
[14:59] <ogasawara> heh
[14:59] <apw> when you look at the commits you will see what i mean
[14:59] <ogasawara> apw: I was just thinking about linux-meta now too
[14:59] <apw> ogasawara, yeah thats going to need some love, you gonna handle that?
[14:59] <ogasawara> apw: not sure yet what changes are required there ...
[14:59] <ogasawara> apw: yep, was gonna start tackling that now
[14:59] <apw> i am guessing we just lose a digit
[15:36] <bjf> smb, apw, kees, w.r.t. the security test failure on the latest -proposed, the check for CONFIG_DEBUG_RODATA on the virtual flavour is failing
[15:36] <bjf> smb, apw, kees, it looks like this is not enabled for that flavour on purpose
[15:37] <bjf> smb, apw, kees, I see code in "enforce" that seems to confirm that
[15:38] <bjf> smb, apw, kees, is this truly "by design" or not and a question that maybe only qa can answer is "why have we not hit this issue before"?
[15:38] <kees> bjf: right, I'm curious as well. wasn't it enabled in -virtual prior to natty?
[15:38] <sconklin> bjf, kees, apw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/772096
[15:38] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 772096 in linux "linux: 2.6.38-9.43 -proposed tracker" [Medium,Fix committed]
[15:38] <sconklin> for reference
[15:39] <bjf> smb, apw, kees, there is the following commit:
[15:39] <bjf>     UBUNTU: Temporarily disable RODATA for virtual i386
[15:39] <bjf>
[15:39] <bjf>     Setting to RO was ok, but the whole patchset seems to cause
[15:39] <bjf>     i386 EC instances to panic on boot when setting the kernel data
[15:39] <bjf>     to read-only and no-execute. So while there is no proper fix
[15:39] <bjf>     found disable this in the i386 virtual flavour.
[15:39] <bjf>
[15:39]  * kees notes the "temporarily" bit. :)
[15:40] <bjf> yes
[15:40] <kees> afaik, upstream fixed all those problems a while ago while the CONFIG_DEBUG_SET_MODULE_RONX patchset was shaking out
[15:43] <kees> bjf: so, I would say it's not a regression from release, but it's a regression from maverick and should get fixed (without blocking SRU)
[15:43] <bjf> hggdh, ^ can you comment on why we had not picked up this issue before?
[15:43] <kees> bjf: afaik, qa does not test devel kernels.
[15:44] <bjf> kees, we had been told at different times that qa resources were unavailable for sru testing because they were focused on devel
[15:44]  * sconklin facepalms
[15:45] <hggdh> I am getting very confused
[15:45] <kees> bjf: haha, yeah, good point. :)
[15:45] <bjf> hggdh, how can i clear up your confusion?
[15:45] <bjf> hggdh, or add to it?
[15:46] <hggdh> bjf, we have been running the QRT tests since the beginning; this specific test (test-kernel-security) has run since then.
[15:46] <hggdh> bjf, heh
[15:46] <hggdh> all the results are saved, together with the logs
[15:46] <bjf> hggdh, why are we only seeing the failure now
[15:47] <bjf> ogasawara, ^ you probably want to see this
[15:47] <hggdh> bjf, right now, without looking at the past logs I cannot comment
[15:48] <bjf> hggdh, ok, well, we know why it is failing, would be good to know how we missed it for so long
[15:48] <hggdh> bjf, kees, on the 'testing devel kernels': I think we should do it, and not restrict kernel testing to SRU
[15:48] <sconklin> next question - is this worth holding up the natty update that's in process now? We're already tossing the one that's in proposed, so I'd like to keep moving forward with the replacement for it.
[15:48] <bjf> hggdh, that statement implies that we do not test devel kernels, is that true?
[15:49] <bjf> sconklin, seems like this has been an issue for a while, i'd say don't hold it up
[15:49] <kees> sconklin: I do not think this should hold up this natty update.
[15:49] <kees> sconklin: from earlier:
[15:49] <kees> 14:43 < kees> bjf: so, I would say it's not a regression from release, but it's a regression from maverick and should get fixed (without blocking SRU)
[15:49] <hggdh> bjf, the above statement means we -- QA -- never ran the kernel tests we have for SRU on the devel kernels
[15:49] <sconklin> ack thanks
[15:50] <bjf> hggdh, good to know, thanks
[15:50] <sconklin> double facepalm
[15:50]  * sconklin weeps
[15:53] <hggdh> sconklin, a question -- the fix to disable RODATA on i386 is one of the fixes for maverick kernel that failed?
[15:54] <sconklin> If you mean are we respinning this kernel anyway for another cycle, the answer is yes. But - we've already done most of the prep and would have to toss some work to go back and incorporate the fix
[15:55] <hggdh> sconklin, no, the point is this fix was _introduced_ on this kernel spin, am I correct?
[15:55] <sconklin> No, I don't think so.
[15:56] <sconklin> one sec while brad finds it ;)
[15:56] <pgraner> bjf, sconklin, while qa was focusing on devel testing it was not kernel... qa has never tested dev kernels, now that will be changing in the future.
[15:59] <ogasawara> apw: amd64 test build (all flavours) passes on tangerine
[15:59]  * ogasawara has to bail for dentist, back in a bit
[15:59] <hggdh> sconklin, bjf: at least at 2.6.35-27.48 CONFIG_RODATA was still enabled
[15:59] <apw> ogasawara, nice thanks
[15:59]  * ppisati is the arm meeting - back in a bit
[16:00] <bjf> sconklin, this change came in  <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:00] <bjf> hggdh, ^
[16:01] <bjf> sconklin, hggdh, i misread git, that should be <IP_ADDRESS>.27
[16:04] <hggdh> bjf, only on the 2.6.38 kernel?
[16:05] <bjf> hggdh, well, that means that it came in during the natty dev cycle when we picked up the .38 kernel
[16:05] <hggdh> bjf, OK, this is why we never saw it
[16:05] <hggdh> bjf, and this is another reason why the QRT tests must be kept up-to-date
[16:06] <hggdh> the QRT cannot be looked as usual QA tests, they must try to keep up-to-date
[16:14] <bjf> hggdh, i still disagree with you and this is not a case of needing to stay up-to-date
[16:15] <bjf> hggdh, this is a perfect case of everyone not being on the same page w.r.t. knowing what kernel tests are actually run during development
[16:16] <hggdh> bjf, OK. I will not get back to this
[16:35] <ppisati> the usb regression we had in oneiric, was it strictly usb3 related or did it screw usb in general?
[16:36] <ppisati> uhm xhci only seems...
[16:37] <herton> ppisati: yep, only xhci/usb3
[16:50] <ppisati> it seems we lost usb on omap3 with 2.6.39...
[16:52] <herton> ppisati: ah sorry, on natty we had a report xhci/usb3 regression on latest stable, on oneiric dunno
[16:53]  * ppisati is trying it out... now...
[17:00] <lamont> sconklin: you'll be happy to know that the non-pae kernel is just as broken
[17:00] <sconklin> lamont: I;m not sure happy is the operative word
[17:01] <lamont> consistency.  for my next trick, I'll fetch your test kernels
[17:01]  * lamont reboots his router again
[17:01] <lamont> well, in a couple minutes
[17:01] <sconklin> lamont: based on the results from those two I hope we can bisect this within about 4 tries
[17:02] <lamont> nice
[17:02] <sconklin> if they both pass or both fail, it's going to take longer
[17:04] <lamont> heh
[17:26]  * ppisati -> out for a walk...
[20:46] <sconklin> smb: still here?
[21:05] <ppisati> sconklin: IIRC he was off today (and tomorrow)
[21:06] <sconklin> ppisati: ok, thanks!


[06:37] <buriedalive> hi, there!
[07:53] <jubo2> Is there a magnifying glass app for Kubuntu14 ?
[07:56] <buriedalive> jubo2 hi
[07:57] <buriedalive> I think should be
[07:57] <valorie> jubo2: do you mean for the desktop?
[07:57] <jubo2> valorie: yes
[07:57] <valorie> if so, yes there is a magnifier widget
[07:57] <jubo2> valorie: where do I install or activate it
[07:58] <valorie> click on the little cashew at the end of the taskbar
[07:58] <valorie> "Add widgets"
[07:58] <valorie> search for magnify
[07:58] <jubo2> it seems to be called Magnifique
[07:59] <buriedalive> excellent, widget
[07:59] <valorie> that's what I see as well
[07:59] <valorie> there may be more
[08:01] <buriedalive> valorie howto I clear app data cache?
[08:01] <buriedalive> see the picture
[08:02] <buriedalive> http://elmisery.ru:8083/snapshot005_kinfocenter.png
[08:02] <valorie> I'm not sure what you mean, buriedalive
[08:02] <valorie> if you cleared the app data caches, your applications couldn't work
[08:03] <buriedalive> disk cache I cleared with a little help drop caches in command line
[08:04] <buriedalive> but app data cache over 2-3 days increases
[08:04] <valorie> if there is a troublesome application, it is possible to clear caches for those
[08:04] <valorie> for that one, I mean
[08:06] <buriedalive> what I do fix thit? idea? 2-3 days and app cache too very big and I restart the computer
[08:07] <valorie> I don't know enough to help you with that
[08:08] <valorie> if nobody else speaks up, I recommend asking on either KDE forum or Kubuntu forum
[08:09] <buriedalive> trouble
[08:13] <tsimpson> "Application Data" is the memory used by running applications, unless there are memory leaks in long running applications it should grow and shrunk when you open/close programs
[08:15] <Ossido> Hello. I have a problem with system fonts
[08:15] <buriedalive> my comp just starts to slow down
[08:15] <buriedalive> tsimpson
[08:16] <Ossido> I had incorrectly thought that the problem was with Chromium, but actually it's with more or less all non-KDE applications
[08:16] <Ossido> they use an ugly monospaced font
[08:16] <Ossido> for example in the chromium UI, where I first noticed it
[08:16] <buriedalive> Ossido http://elmisery.ru/blog/ru/nicekde
[08:17] <Ossido> I'm sorry but I don't speak Russian
[08:17] <buriedalive> open terminal and typing
[08:19] <Ossido> I need to add another repository?
[08:20] <valorie> Ossido: here in english: http://askubuntu.com/questions/232395/handling-gtk-windows-in-kde4
[08:21] <Ossido> thanks. At least I can try to understand what I'm doing
[08:22] <Ossido> now, I have already installed all those things
[08:23] <Ossido> my problem is that, in the system settings, I have set the font to be Ubuntu 10, but what I see is not Ubuntu 10
[08:23] <Ossido> it's probably Courier, or FreeMono, or something like that
[08:24] <valorie> hmmm
[08:24] <buriedalive> try logoff and login?
[08:24] <Ossido> mmh, no, gtk-theme-switch was missing
[08:24] <Ossido> I'll try this
[08:26] <Ossido> I try rebooting
[08:33] <Ossido> I have rebooted, but it had no effect
[08:34] <jubo2> The "magnifique" widget isn't a magnifier glass.. it's just a window that shows what is on the desktop in it's area
[08:34] <valorie> hmmm
[08:34] <valorie> I know that we have one though
[08:34] <jubo2> If someone knows of magnifier glass app/widget it'd be appreciated
[08:35] <valorie> aha, Kmag
[08:35] <Ossido> to summarise. In System Settings > Application appearance > GTK the themes are both set to oxygen-gtk, and the font to FreeSans 10, but the font that I see in the application is not that one, it's an ugly monospaced one
[08:35] <jubo2> valorie: 'k dänks
[08:36] <hateball> jubo2: there's a zoom effect, if that would be OK for your use-case
[08:37] <hateball> Well, there are several zoom effects
[08:39] <jubo2> hateball: where do I activate the zooming effects ?
[08:44] <hateball> jubo2: alt+f2 -> desktop effects -> all effects
[08:44] <hateball> or some such.
[08:49] <Ossido> valorie: do you know where the gtk configuration files are? This seems to be another instance of the kde System settings not doing what they should
[08:53] <valorie> maybe look in ~/.config
[08:53] <valorie> there are also config files in ~/.kde
[08:53] <valorie> and ~/.local
[09:02] <Ossido> mmh, the ones in ~/.config and  ~/.kde have the right font in them
[09:23] <Ossido> also, the kde GTK System Settings don't remember my settings. I had set the font to Droid Sans, and after a reboot it's back to Ubuntu
[09:35] <Ossido> mmh, valorie, the problem does not seem to be with GTK, because Firefox does obey those settings. Programs that display the weird font are, for example: Chromium, Audacity, Cheese
[09:38] <Ossido> also Comix, GIMP
[10:23] <Ossido> !info kde-config-gtk
[10:32] <buriedalive> Ossido do via instructions, there have pictures, don't suffer
[10:32] <Ossido> do via instuctions what?
[10:32] <buriedalive> find a trusty ppa
[10:32] <Ossido> I'm stumbling around blindly
[10:33] <Ossido> for what?
[10:33] <buriedalive> wait plz
[10:35] <Ossido> As of now: Some programs (Chromium, Audacity, GIMP, Gramps, Cheese, Comix...) all have a wrong monospaced font. But others, like Firefox, do obey the GTK settings. The font written in the config files is the right one, so the problem is not in the kde thingy that sets the settings
[10:36] <hateball> Ossido: do you get any hints if you launch from terminal?
[10:36] <hateball> like if they cant find any expected engines or paths or such
[10:36] <Ossido> launch from terminal one of those programs? I'll try
[10:37] <Ossido> Cheese opens perfectly without printing a single line
[10:38] <Ossido> Comix only says Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[10:38] <Ossido> twice
[10:38] <Ossido> but it's a message that I've seen often, even before the upgrade that caused this mess
[10:39] <buriedalive> good
[10:39] <buriedalive> stay
[10:39] <buriedalive> no ppa for trusty
[10:40] <buriedalive> maybe add repo from precise? help guys
[10:41] <Ossido> maybe I should try and reinstall gtk?
[10:41] <Ossido> how does one do that?
[10:41] <hateball> Ossido: But it applies window decorations properly, just fonts that are wonky?
[10:42] <Ossido> no, for example the chrome menu is a grey rectangle without any decoration at all
[10:42] <buriedalive> into sources.list
[10:42] <Ossido> but firefox, on the other hand, works perfectly
[10:42] <Ossido> and it responds to the changes I make in the kde System Settings
[10:42] <hateball> in the case of chrome/ium that seems to have broken with the upgrade to 36 I think
[10:43] <hateball> they are not using GTK but rather Aurora or some such
[10:43] <Ossido> mmh, I'm trying with Audacity
[10:43] <buriedalive> old repo is also possible to add? no?
[10:43] <Ossido> the fonts are certainly wrong. It's hard ot say with the menues
[10:43] <buriedalive> hateball
[10:44] <Ossido> but yes, I'd say that there are the decorations
[10:44] <hateball> buriedalive: I'm not sure what you are asking, could you explain it all on one line? It's hard to follow
[10:45] <Ossido> the corners are lightly rounded, and the dividing lines smooth out correctly, so yes, I'd say that the problem is only with the fonts, not with the gtk style
[10:45] <hateball> Ossido: Are you using the "use my kde fonts" option, or a specified font? in the gtk config
[10:45] <buriedalive> Ossido http://elmisery.ru/blog/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/images/20142603104300.png?itok=BNgo1JDW
[10:45] <buriedalive> maybe?
[10:45] <Ossido> I don't see that option anywhere, hateball
[10:46] <buriedalive> foolish problem
[10:46] <Ossido> buriedalive, that menue there is for kde applications, I think. I have set it up correctly
[10:46] <hateball> Ossido: Oh, hmm. I launch by alt+f2 -> type "gtk"
[10:46] <hateball> you should get a config dialog
[10:47] <hateball> Ossido: or in a terminal "/usr/bin/kcmshell4 kcmgtk"
[10:47] <Ossido> from alt+f2 I don't get the config dialog
[10:47] <Ossido> Could not find module 'kcmgtk'. See kcmshell4 --list for the full list of modules.
[10:48] <Ossido> I have used System Settings > Allplication Appearance > GTK
[10:48] <hateball> Ossido: it should be pulled in with the package kde-config-gtk
[10:48] <Ossido> to set the style and font
[10:48] <Ossido> !info  kde-config-gtk
[10:49] <Ossido> I don't have that package, hateball
[10:49] <buriedalive> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tehnick/kde-gtk-config
[10:49] <buriedalive> what u see?
[10:49] <Ossido> should I really add a new repository?
[10:49] <buriedalive> yes
[10:49] <buriedalive> add
[10:50] <hateball> It's in the main repo....
[10:50] <Ossido> ok, added the ppa
[10:50] <buriedalive> now sudo aptitude update
[10:51] <Ossido> ok
[10:51] <buriedalive> and now - sudo aptitude install kde-config-gtk-style
[10:51] <Ossido> ok, done
[10:52] <buriedalive> do it this? - sudo aptitude install gtk2-engines-oxygen gtk3-engines-oxygen
[10:52] <Ossido> they were already installed
[10:52] <buriedalive> ok
[10:53] <hateball> you should be able to launch the config tool now at least
[10:53] <buriedalive> I dont know any way? only - sudo aptitude install fonts-droid
[10:53] <buriedalive> nice fonts
[10:53] <buriedalive> try
[10:53] <Ossido> I already could launch "one" config tool, in System Settings > Application Appearance > GTK
[10:54] <buriedalive> and try
[10:54] <buriedalive> http://elmisery.ru/blog/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/images/20142603104300.png?itok=BNgo1JDW
[10:54] <Ossido> I already have those installed, buriedalive
[10:54] <Ossido> hateball: Could not find module 'kcmgtk'. See kcmshell4 --list for the full list of modules.
[10:55] <hateball> Ossido: And this is on 14.04?
[10:55] <Ossido> yes
[10:55] <buriedalive> restart de and you get all nice kde
[10:55] <Ossido> Description:    Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[10:56] <Ossido> I'll try to reboot
[10:56] <Ossido> brb
[11:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:01] <buriedalive> evening)
[11:02] <Ossido> hateball, buriedalive, I am back
[11:02] <Ossido> and everything is as before
[11:02] <buriedalive> Ossido no works for you?
[11:03] <Ossido> the situation is the same, Firefox has the right fonts, Audacity, for example, or Chrome don't
[11:03] <Ossido> also, I was thinking, you say that chromium doesn't use GTK any more?
[11:03] <hateball> Ossido: Well I don't get what could be broken for you... that package is in universe and should be installed with kubuntu-desktop
[11:04] <buriedalive> hm, chrome aura maybe?
[11:04] <Ossido> what package?
[11:04] <hateball> Yes, Aura is the name, not Aurora like I said
[11:04] <hateball> Ossido: kde-config-gtk*
[11:04] <Ossido> it's not in trusty
[11:04] <Ossido> !info  kde-config-gtk*
[11:04] <Ossido> anyway, I have installed it from the ppa
[11:05] <Ossido> so I have it, now
[11:05] <hateball> it is, but in universe
[11:05] <Ossido> well, wherever it is, I have installed it already
[11:06] <buriedalive> hm, removed support kde-config-gtk* into 14.04
[11:07] <Ossido> could it be that the problem is in the fonts, and not in the gtk? If you say that chromium doesn't use gtk but has the same problem
[11:07] <Ossido> but on the other hand Firefox has the right fonts
[11:07] <Ossido> is there a way to reinstall ftk from scratch?
[11:07] <Ossido> gtk
[11:08] <buriedalive> I do not know, really just wait for updates?
[11:08] <Ossido> updates of what?
[11:09] <buriedalive> Ossido stop
[11:09] <buriedalive> show picture us?
[11:09] <Ossido> yes
[11:09] <buriedalive> screen
[11:13] <joshwambua> permit
[11:16] <Ossido> where do I put them?
[11:18] <Ossido> http://imgur.com/a/SFPdl
[11:19] <Ossido> buriedalive, hateball, this is an example of the font that I see
[11:21] <Ossido> at the moment I don't understand if the problem is in the GTK, or in the way the fonts are installed
[11:23] <buriedalive> preferences in audacity try?
[11:24] <Ossido> there are no preferences to change the fonts of the UI
[11:25] <buriedalive> it's a not kde base gtk app
[11:30] <Ossido> !info audacity
[11:30] <Ossido> anyway, it's a general problem of many applications, buriedalive
[11:34] <Ossido> is there a way to reinstall gtk?
[11:49] <Exagone313> Ossido: it's just a font, lol
[11:51] <Ossido> surely the right attitude, Exagone313, thank you
[11:51] <Exagone313> :/
[13:48] <Voyage>  HOW to get rid of my local language text (put into every app), ? i just want english only
[13:49] <Ossido> ideally, you should go into the System settings and move it down in the lost of the system languages
[13:50] <Ossido> for me, this didn't work and I had to unistall it completely
[13:50] <Voyage> how to go to languages and uninstall them
[13:51] <Ossido> System settings > Locale > Languages
[13:51] <Ossido> on the right there is the list of "preferred languages"
[13:51] <Ossido> the topmost should have priority
[13:52] <Voyage> I only have american english there. still I see "urdu' language in my appss
[13:52] <Ossido> :/
[13:52] <Ossido> sorry, I can't help you. I'm here to solve a problem myself, I'm far from being an expert
[13:53] <Voyage> np. thanks!
[14:17] <wheezy123> hello, "Open Containing Folder" in Firefox Downloads opening in Gwenview instead of Dolphin, any fix?
[14:52] <alket> Hi , im trying to "ppa-purge" something , but its stuck at "Calket@alket-gt:~$ sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers \n Updating packages lists"
[14:55] <shadeslayer> alket: for how long?
[14:56] <alket> like 10 minutes
[14:56] <alket> i tried two times
[14:56] <alket> i screwed up by GFX driver
[14:57] <shadeslayer> alket: ls -la /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:58] <alket> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/p80bpdgk2
[14:59] <shadeslayer> alket: run it again, but with : sudo ppa-purge ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa , and give it some time?
[14:59] <shadeslayer> it needs to download all the cache again
[15:00] <alket> ok thanks ,will do
[15:03] <zetheroo> I am trying to install a new desktop theme using the "Get New Themes" feature - the theme installs and I hit Apply, but nothing changes
[15:07] <soee> zetheroo: is it visible on themes list ?
[15:07] <zetheroo> no
[15:10] <soee> zetheroo: than it might be not compatible
[15:11] <zetheroo> I tried 2 themes
[15:12] <zetheroo> how does one know if it's compatible or not?
[15:12] <alket> shadeslayer: thanks, it looked like steam PPA was doing all the wrongness , i removed it now it works , thanks xD
[15:12] <shadeslayer> cheers
[15:13] <zetheroo> soee: I just installed another one called Excalibur and it works :)
[15:15] <zetheroo> out of 4 installed themes only one works
[18:01] <reflectionalist> Hi, I recently installed Kubuntu.  But I was really confused by KParted.  No matter I start it in user mode or root mode, I could not edit any partition.  Most editing operations were disabled (grayed out).  Why?  I remember I encountered this problem long time ago when I were in KDE.  Is this a bug of KParted?
[18:07] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Can you tell me exactly what you did?
[18:10] <reflectionalist> lordievader: I have already described it.  I simply start KParted either from the menu by searching (which surprisingly does not require password) or start it from the System submenu (which requires password).  Either way, I can not edit any partition.
[18:17] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Could you perhaps send a screenshot?
[18:17] <lordievader> !paste | reflectionalist
[18:20] <genii> Was this after installation from an installed system, or from the livecd?
[18:30] <reflectionalist> lordievader: Here is the screenshot: http://imgur.com/fPlG3TH
[18:31] <reflectionalist> genii: In both the installed and live system.
[18:32] <rberg_> is sda mounted or in use by lvm or mdadm?
[18:32] <rberg_> ohh I guess being ntfs eliminates 2 of those options
[18:33] <genii> Probably automounted or something
[18:36] <BluesKaj> looks like my laptop partitions when I first received it ...6 partitions, most of them useless
[18:36] <reflectionalist> rberg_: I am currently in the installed Kubuntu.  sda is surely mounted since my root in on it.  But is it normal that even when I select an unallocated part of it, I still could not do any editing, like even creating a new partition from the unallocated area?
[18:36] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Is it just the ntfs partition that you cannot edit or also the ext ones?
[18:36] <reflectionalist> rberg_: I am not using lvm.  I do not know what is mdadm.
[18:37] <reflectionalist> lordievader: all partitions, including unallocated areas.
[18:38] <reflectionalist> The funny things is that the situation was the same in the live session.  I could not use KParted to do anything.  But I could using GParted.
[18:39] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Hmm, makes me think it is a bug.
[18:41] <reflectionalist> lordievader: Do you have KParted installed.  Could you try to see if it is the same for you.  I am in Kubuntu 14.04, partitionmanager version 1.0.3-2ubuntu2
[18:43] <lordievader> reflectionalist: As long as they are not in use I can edit them.
[18:44] <reflectionalist> lordievader: Hmm, then I am confused.
[18:46] <lordievader> reflectionalist: I also have the same partitionmanger version.
[18:47] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Do you happen to have a Dynamic Disk? (The Microsoft Dynamic Disk thingie)
[18:47] <reflectionalist> lordievader: I do not know what is dynamic disk.  I have an SSD.
[18:49] <lordievader> reflectionalist: Wait, no that has to do with ntfs partitions. It shouldn't be related.
[19:24] <pandera> join #linux.de
[20:54] <jhutch412> hi, i have a small prob im hoping someone can help me with..
[20:55] <alket> jhutch412: just post the problem , someone might answer
[20:58] <jhutch412> i installed the unity 8 launcher preview and, it doesn't work, just a black screen. i have the laptop sign in automatically, which gives me
[20:59] <jhutch412> the prob of not being able to set it back upon login
[21:59] <Orestis> Hello, I have a questions. Is it possible when I plug my laptop to tv via hdmi to have the same screen in both? I have nvidia close drivers and Kubuntu 14.04
[23:29] <skinux> How can I make the search in KMenu NOT show internet search results?


[01:34] <Guest_1010> Hello. I'm trying to find the best online resource for learning how to install my system with separate partitions on two separate drives (e.g. boot and install OS onto an SSD, and use a secondary HDD partition for /home file storage).
[04:50] <bradd_> Hi. I've installed xubuntu. changed power manager settings to 'dont lock screen' and display blank after 30 mins. unfortunately, it blanks at 10, and still asks for a password on the screensaver. any ideas of how to fix this?
[04:57] <bradd_> ok. I've found that changing Settings/Screensaver seems to correct the problem.
[05:41] <twinsenbrim> Guest_1010: separate home partition "before installing ubuntu" & "after installing ubuntu" https://www.howtogeek.com/116742/how-to-create-a-separate-home-partition-after-installing-ubuntu/
[05:42] <twinsenbrim> ubuntu documentation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[11:05] <talin> hello. wondering if anyone has any tips as to how i can rescue my messed up xubuntu... my sausage fingers decided to remove python 3.8 and install python 3.7.. because i was going to use a library that only works with 3.7... so i removed python 3.8 and all the things that were no longer required along with it
[11:06] <talin> then i reinstalled python3.8... so basically, remove python3.8, install python3.8 is what i did
[11:06] <talin> so now a lot of stuff doesn't work any more... is there some rescue operation i could take?
[11:06] <talin> this is 20.04
[11:07] <talin> i don't want to reinstall because i don't want to have to repeat the grueling 3 day procedure required to get VPN client up and working again...
[11:08] <gnrp> talin: What is "a lot of stuff"?
[11:08] <talin> gnrp: let me post a list
[11:10] <nightshooter> .
[11:10] <nightshooter> Hello everyone,
[11:10] <nightshooter>  how do I prevent a user from opening the settings panel?
[11:10] <nightshooter> Is there any solution available.
[11:11] <talin> gnrp: https://dpaste.org/Ev4W
[11:11] <talin> gnrp: ignore the apt install in front of package names
[11:12] <gnrp> nightshooter: quick and dirty way might be to remove permissions for xfce4-settings-manager
[11:13] <gnrp> talin: I don't get it. What is the problem? What do you mean that it does not work anymore?
[11:14] <nightshooter> @gnrp dirty is fine as long I've managed that... could you kindly tell me were I need to change permissions for xfce4-seetings-manager?
[11:15] <gnrp> nightshooter: I mean, the question is alsow hat you want to achieve. All these settings can still be changed, but in a more complicated way
[11:15] <gnrp> otherwise, you could also remove it from the menu, if you prefer that
[11:16] <gnrp> nightshooter: Do a chmod on /usr/bin/xfce4-settings-manager to whatever you want
[11:16] <nightshooter> gnrp No matter what is complicated and what can be accessed in another way, it is important that the user cannot easily find a solution.
[11:17] <nightshooter> @gnrp tnx I will try thid right away
[11:20] <talin> gnrp: when i click browser, it gives me something called "speed dial" instead of firefox. and my mouse cursor is 10x bigger than usual.. some fonts look strange now
[11:21] <gnrp> talin: did you do anything to the GPU driver maybe?
[11:22] <gnrp> speed dial, that's another browser? Or is that a feature of some borwser? I don't know. Anyway, you can configure the standard browser. Go on Settings -> Preferred Applications (or so)
[11:23] <gnrp> mouse cursor size: You can adjust that
[11:23] <gnrp> Settings -> Mouse and Keyboard (or so)
[11:23] <gnrp> weird-looking fonts... no clue. Maybe a different standard font?
[11:24] <talin> gnrp: so you think that this procedure shouldn't have destroyed anything?
[11:25] <talin> heh, the mouse cursor size setting said 16, and it's impossible to make it smaller... but the second i made it bigger, it became small, like how it used to be
[11:28] <talin> debian-sensible was the browser listed in preferred applications. and firefox seems to have been removed. alright. thanks a lot gnrp, maybe i can weed out small issues like this
[11:30] <gnrp> I guess you uninstalled some packages or installed other ones which overwrote the previous defaults, that's why some things behave weird now
[11:30] <gnrp> you can check out /var/log/dpkg.log for waht actually happened
[12:01] <talin> that's excellent advice. thanks again gnrp
[15:42] <dyeplexer> How can I remove version overrides on a list of packages?
[15:42] <dyeplexer> these are all held back packages from 18.04 when I upgraded to 20.04
[15:50] <dyeplexer> I think all of the packages listed are PPA packages.
[15:50] <dyeplexer> I will add the ppas again to the system