[11:48] <AskUbuntu> Set up nodes for Ubuntu cloud 12.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/349867
[13:21] <roaksoax> rvba: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1229275
[13:23] <rvba> roaksoax: seems nasty, I'll need to look into it.
[16:43] <smoser> allenap, https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas/curtin-install/+merge/187055 maybe ?
[16:44] <allenap> smoser: Yeah, I've just spotted that :) I'll do that soon.
[16:44] <smoser> thanks
[17:16] <roaksoax> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6155332/
[18:29] <tych0> rvba: you still around?
[18:31] <kurt_> smoser: I was looking at your backdoor script.  That only updates the ephemeral images?
[18:31] <smoser> kurt_, no. it will work fine just about anywhere.
[18:31] <smoser> but please dont use it on my system :)
[18:32] <kurt_> lol
[18:32] <smoser> point it at a root directory, and it should "just work"
[18:32] <kurt_> ah - I was wondering why "var/" was there
[18:32] <kurt_> is there a little more documentation on that anywhere?
[18:32] <kurt_> other than the maas troubleshooting guide?
[18:32] <smoser> related, mount-callback-umount, is now in saucy cloud-utils as 'mount-image-callback' is
[18:33] <smoser> doc on what?
[18:33] <smoser> its really just a hack to add a user and make sure you'll be able to log into a system.
[18:33] <kurt_> that script - I noticed when I updated pxe-boot images, they downloaded backdoor images
[18:34] <smoser> wait, what?
[18:34] <smoser> no. nothing should be giving you a backdoor'd image.
[18:34] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6155634/
[18:35] <smoser> yoiu must have done something to do that. ?
[18:35] <smoser> i'm not understanding what i'm seeing.
[18:35] <kurt_> maybe that was just the directory I was in
[18:36] <smoser> yeah, i think so.
[18:36] <kurt_> ugh, sorry. got alarmed over nothing :)
[18:36] <smoser> if you ever see that in an image that you downloaded from *anywhere* (especially ubuntu/canonical), please tell me.
[18:36] <kurt_> sure
[18:36] <smoser> that was really scary. phew!
[18:36] <kurt_> lol
[18:37] <smoser> what you're seeing is output of 'pushd' i think
[18:37] <smoser> $ pushd /tmp
[18:37] <smoser>  /tmp ~/src/virtual-maas/maas-libvirt-utils
[18:37] <kurt_> So I'm looking at the write-up here http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/troubleshooting.html
[18:38] <kurt_> you first bzr the branch, right?
[18:38] <kurt_> those 3 things are meant to be ran separately?
[18:38] <kurt_> not enclosed in 1 wrapper script
[18:39] <kurt_> it wasn't clear to me you needed to be in /
[18:39] <smoser> yeah, it missed a 'cd' there.
[18:39] <smoser> yeah, that doc is odd.
[18:39] <kurt_> is there a better write up somewhere? :)
[18:39] <smoser> i'd add a '/' to the front of var
[18:40] <kurt_> that's what I did.  but to clarify - that section should be broken in to 3 separate runs, correct?
[18:41] <smoser> kurt_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6155653/
[18:41] <smoser> thats what i would do
[18:41] <kurt_> the bzr, the setting of the substitution/cp'ing the directory, then finally running your backdoor script
[18:41] <smoser> wait
[18:42] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6155656/
[18:42] <smoser> that one
[18:42] <kurt_> cool - to avoid confusion, perhaps consider fixing that section in that troubleshooting doc?
[18:45] <kurt_> smoser: wait - what's the bid on the end of the bzr branch? was that fat-finering?
[18:45] <kurt_> fingering rather
[18:45] <kurt_> bdi
[18:46] <smoser> bdi: back-door-iamge.  its just where to branch too. ie, after running that you have ./bdi/
[18:46] <smoser> rather than implicitly getting 'backdoor-image'
[18:47] <kurt_> ah, ok
[18:48] <kurt_> Are you guys working on a way to disable the ipmi module loading for those of us using KVM or VMWare?
[18:48] <roaksoax> kurt_: the one for KVM is already being disabled, new updates of maas would be
[18:48] <roaksoax> kurt_: VMWare is not "really" supported
[18:48] <kurt_> but it works :D
[18:48] <kurt_> except that part
[18:49] <roaksoax> kurt_: it indeed does work but we haven't done any "enablement" for VMWare virt technologies (since we don't have power management for it either)
[18:49] <roaksoax> kurt_: but I would suggest you file a bug so we can keep track of it there:)
[18:50] <kurt_> roaksoax: I'm here to help you guys if you need it.  I've got someone working on fixing libvirt so virsh can be used to start/stop VMs.  He's nearly done
[18:50] <kurt_> And, I've managed to fully install maas + juju + openstack - all the way to working install
[18:51] <kurt_> I did that on Mac OSX with Fusion, now working on doing it with Workstation 10
[18:53] <roaksoax> kurt_: cool! yeah please file bugs! :) that would help us keep track of it
[18:54] <kurt_> ok.
[20:15] <kurt_> roaksoax: Bug #1231129
[20:24] <roaksoax> kurt_: thanks!


[05:17] <pavlushka> Good Morning everyone!
[05:52] <Kilos> Guten morgen mein herren
[06:17] <pavlushka> Morning Kilos !
[06:18] <pavlushka> I was trying to type up arroy in irc.
[06:19] <Kilos> i dont understand
[06:41] <pavlushka> correction "up arrow"
[06:49] <mazal> Mornings
[06:49] <mazal> Oom Kilos dalk hier ?
[06:51] <mazal> Does anybody know , if I use my phone's simcard in a router , and a sms comes during that time , will I still get the sms on my phone when putting the sim back in my phone ? Or will it be lost ?
[06:53] <pavlushka> mazal: it supposed to be stored in the sim.
[06:54] <mazal> Thanx pavlushka
[06:54] <Kilos> hier mazal
[06:54] <pavlushka> but cant guarantee, you should test that.
[06:55] <Kilos> chatting to debs
[06:55] <Kilos> yes you should
[06:55] <mazal> should test , or should still get it ?
[06:56] <pavlushka> put your sim in the router, send a sms or ask anyone to send and put the sim in the phone to check.
[06:58] <mazal> Oh crap there goes R80
[06:58] <mazal> pavlushka, will do , asked Kilos to send me one now
[06:59] <pavlushka> hey mazal, I've noticed your PC configuration at your office, its huge!!!
[06:59] <mazal> How you mean ?
[06:59] <mazal> The ram discussion we had ?
[06:59] <pavlushka> yes.
[06:59] <mazal> Is ok
[07:00] <mazal> Won't call it huge
[07:00] <mazal> Same as my home one
[07:00] <pavlushka> wow, double huge!
[07:00] <mazal> The ram is overkill yes. No normal pc needs that much
[07:01] <pavlushka> what do you do? virtualization or graphical works?
[07:01] <mazal> IT support
[07:01] <pavlushka> you do virtualization then.
[07:01] <mazal> Nope
[07:02] <pavlushka> ok, I wont guess.
[07:02] <mazal> Field support. Install the hardware , install and configure the software , create the user id's , do the assets , and lots of spoon feeding for users
[07:03] <pavlushka> cp
[07:05] <mazal> Oi vei , wanted to do a quick PS4 setting , now I must do a 300mb update first. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[07:25] <Kilos> mazal sent a call me
[07:26] <Kilos> you should see it
[07:26] <Kilos> also you can use a thing called modem manager gui i think its called
[07:26] <mazal> K thanx , will check when I'm done online
[07:26] <Kilos> thn you can see smsss
[07:27] <mazal> O crap , I just relized I can't buy airtime while sim is on router :(
[07:27] <Kilos> you can if you use this link in browser
[07:27] <mazal> And almost all my data up again. Damn
[07:28] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData?sid=2750014401488938413
[07:28] <mazal> No the Inet banking sent a confirmatiom message that I must reply on from phone
[07:28] <Kilos> oh you not telkom sorry
[07:28] <mazal> While the browser is open
[07:28] <mazal> So can't be done
[07:29] <Kilos> ai!
[07:29] <mazal> Ok gotta go , have a nice day everyone
[07:29] <Kilos> when you getting your afihost sim
[07:29] <Kilos> you too
[07:29] <Kilos> ai!
[09:01] <Kilos> open a private message thing to yourself for practising in
[09:01] <Kilos> ai!
[09:07] <bushtech> Kilos: don't break anything :)
[09:12] <Kilos> lol
[09:12] <Kilos> i have my ssd working again
[09:13] <Kilos> only not it doesnt see repo stuff as authenticated so gotta sort that
[09:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: congrats!
[09:19] <iqbal> hi
[09:20] <Kilos> hi iqbal
[09:20] <Kilos> long time no see
[09:20] <iqbal> how are you?
[09:20] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[09:20] <iqbal> ok ty
[09:21] <iqbal> i don't spend enough time on my laptop
[09:21] <Kilos> yeah looks like it
[09:22] <iqbal> i was looking into getting whatsapp on my laptop but it seems confusing
[09:22] <Kilos> i  tried it in pidgin but also gave up
[09:22] <Kilos> only use mxit and telegram now
[09:23] <iqbal> stopped mxit years ago
[09:24] <iqbal> i saw that there is a paid version and also some instructions to use an android emulator
[09:24] <Kilos> lets hear what the whatapp users say
[09:25] <Kilos> youll just have to wait long i thhik
[09:25] <Kilos> think
[09:26] <iqbal> ok
[09:26] <iqbal> no big deal, just when i'm on my laptop, don't want to keep reaching for my phone
[09:27] <Kilos> leave the laptop with the charger plugged in
[09:28] <pavlushka> iqbal: you can use the web version of whatsapp.
[09:30] <iqbal> ty
[09:30] <magespawn> good morning
[09:30] <iqbal> i used it some time back on a windows laptop, i think
[09:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:32] <iqbal> wow, instantly working
[09:32] <iqbal> ty
[09:32] <Kilos> iqbal dont be so scarce
[09:33] <iqbal> ok
[09:33] <Kilos> we have a meeting on the 22nd here
[09:33] <Kilos> a 8.30pm
[09:33] <iqbal> what kind of meeting?
[09:33] <Kilos> our monthly meeting
[09:33] <Kilos> wait wrong date
[09:34] <Kilos> 26th i think
[09:34] <magespawn> yup this month is the 26th
[09:34] <Kilos> there are some projects happening you might like to get involved with
[09:35] <Kilos> inetpro topic bar replenishing please
[09:36] <iqbal> what kind of projects?
[09:41] <pavlushka> Kilos: knock knock now
[09:41] <Kilos> who is there
[09:52] <Rynomster> morning morning
[09:52] <Rynomster> I keep getting emails saying my membership is about to expire :o
[09:52] <Rynomster> spamming me daily xD
[09:52] <Rynomster> hehe
[09:52] <Rynomster> Thought I'd do the validation process :)
[10:11] <magespaw1> back
[10:16] <Kilos> hi Rynomster `
[10:16] <Kilos> dont let it expire man follow the instructions in the first mail
[11:52] <inetpro> good afternoon
[11:55] <inetpro> Kilos: two issues
[11:55] <inetpro> In German, possessive pronouns adjust themselves according to the noun they are referring to.
[11:55] <inetpro> The list for gender and numerus is: 1. 'Mein' for singular masculin/neutral noun, 2. 'Meine' for a singular feminine noun, 3. 'Meine' for a plural masculin/neutral noun, or 4. 'Meine' for a plural feminin noun.
[11:55] <inetpro> and the 2nd issue, German nouns are generally capitalised
[11:56] <inetpro> in other words, that would be 'Guten morgen meine Herren'
[11:56] <inetpro> oh and the 3rd issue, what about the ladies here?
[12:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[12:08] <Kilos> sorry i was struggling with xp pc
[12:08] <Kilos> sigh
[12:09] <Kilos> the ladies were offline
[12:09] <Kilos> hehe
[12:10] <Kilos> all that caps issue is too much to think about
[12:10] <Kilos> thumping head
[12:10] <Kilos> and i very seldom use caps , but, will try remember to do it correctly next time
[12:11] <Kilos> but only to please you
[12:11] <Kilos> and
[12:11] <Kilos> stop the nagging
[12:11]  * Kilos hides
[12:33] <magespawn> g9od afternoon all
[12:33] <magespawn> good too
[12:36] <magespawn> inetpro aws should send you a mail the day before your free tier usage expires
[13:04] <magespawn> Kilos: good afternoon
[13:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[13:21] <Kilos> sorry im so slow ian busy packing to leave and he always leaves something behing so we checking everywhere
[13:22] <bushtech> unpack the scanner
[14:08] <magespawn> no worries
[14:09] <magespawn> just trying irssi via termux on my phone Kilos
[14:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:16] <Kilos> ian gone
[14:17] <Kilos> scanner went with him now bushtech ive done all i needed to do
[14:17] <Kilos> he showed me one can use scanners without even connecting to a pc
[14:18] <Kilos> you put the page in on top and a usb stick in the usb socket and click scan
[14:18] <Kilos>  will try tha with this hp when i have some energy
[14:28] <Kilos> strangest thing happened here with ssd
[14:29] <Kilos> warned drive was nearly full continuously so i deleted some stuff and it kept complaining
[14:29] <Kilos> drive showed 101g used of a 128g ssd
[14:30] <Kilos> i tried sweeper to clean and that messed up all links or keys or something
[14:31] <Kilos> then removed some movies and pics to a 16g stick
[14:31] <magespawn> clear all the tmp files
[14:31] <Kilos> then rebooted and tried earier recovery
[14:31] <Kilos> now it shows 7.8 used
[14:31] <Kilos> where all the rest
[14:32] <Kilos> 93g not used
[14:32] <Kilos> so where did that bull come from
[14:32] <Kilos> you cant put 93g on a 16g stick
[14:37] <Kilos> inetpro lees ↑
[14:37] <Kilos> afternoon superfly why did you say we are weird yesterday?
[14:45] <bushtech> Kilos: have you checked ssd with Disks?
[14:46] <Kilos> ill do that now bush
[14:46] <Kilos> ai!
[14:49] <Kilos> overall assesment disk is ok
[14:55] <Kilos> wb bushtech bad connection you have there hey
[14:56] <Kilos> or are you playing yoyo at the same time
[14:56] <bushtech> yes grrr busy getting to mtr
[14:56] <Kilos> annoying hey
[14:56] <bushtech> extremely
[14:57] <bushtech> busy eyeing afrihost
[14:57] <bushtech> move from voda to mtn
[14:58] <Kilos> have you no telkom signal there
[14:58] <bushtech> zip
[14:58] <Kilos> i started here with mtn then cellc then vodacom and 8ta beats then all price and performance wise
[14:59] <bushtech> will check 8ta coverage
[15:02] <bushtech> 8ta has roaming 3g coverage but telkom 3g doesn't
[15:03] <Kilos> im not sure what the roaming thing does as im vas in een plek hear
[15:04] <Kilos> i thought 8ta and telkom is the same thing
[15:04] <bushtech> yeah typical telkom : we aim to confuse
[15:04] <Kilos> lol
[15:04] <bushtech> its on the same map. vastly different coverage
[15:05] <Kilos> i very seldom have hassles and when i do its from storm damage
[15:06] <Kilos> my connection is very stable
[15:06] <Kilos> so is inetpro s
[15:06] <bushtech> I can only dream
[15:07] <Kilos> can you judge your distance from the tower
[15:07] <bushtech> no such thing as a stable connection around here
[15:08] <bushtech> I know exactly. Let me just find
[15:09] <bushtech> 15km
[15:09] <Kilos> as long as you get 3 bars or more signal strength it should be stable
[15:09] <Kilos> that quite far
[15:09] <Kilos> are any of the others closer?
[15:10] <Kilos> you can also use a router with an external antenna like pro
[15:10] <Kilos> external antenna boost signal lots
[15:11] <bushtech> I am
[15:11] <bushtech> router with yagi
[15:11] <Kilos> yeah
[15:11] <Kilos> what isp atm voda?
[15:11] <bushtech> voda
[15:12] <Kilos> my sis used voda but their service is shocking
[15:12] <Kilos> she spent 4 months with no data connection then switched to 8ta as well
[15:12] <bushtech> sheesh! 4 months
[15:13] <Kilos> but the fone showed 5 bars and worked fine for calls
[15:13] <bushtech> basebal bat time
[15:13] <Kilos> haha
[15:13] <Kilos> i used to let her get wifi from me
[15:13] <bushtech> making a phone call around here is very amusing
[15:13] <Kilos> she kept saying they are planning to fix it this week
[15:13] <Kilos> haha
[15:14] <Kilos> what appens there
[15:14] <Kilos> h
[15:14] <bushtech> people standing on  chairs  and heads out of windows
[15:14] <Kilos> eish
[15:14] <Kilos> external antenna only way then
[15:15] <bushtech> does nothing for phone sig
[15:15] <Kilos> wow
[15:15] <Kilos> that sucks
[15:15] <Kilos> and no adsl i take it
[15:15] <bushtech> nada
[15:15] <Kilos> eish
[15:16] <Kilos> service actually sucks in za
[15:17] <bushtech> tell me about it
[15:31] <Kilos> inetpro thinks if he keeps quiet he will get away with not having set the topis bar rightweeks ago already
[15:32] <Kilos> govt employees all work on the more is nog n dag attitude
[15:39] <Kilos> Icon 'gtk-new' not present in theme at /usr/share/perl5/ClamTk/GUI.pm line 259.
[15:39] <Kilos> why doesnt nano show line numbers?
[15:39] <Kilos> sigh
[15:39] <Kilos> to much to count
[15:41] <bushtech> you need to activate numers in nano
[15:41] <bushtech> numBers
[15:42] <Kilos> oh my
[15:43] <bushtech> http://askubuntu.com/questions/73444/how-to-show-line-numbering-in-nano-when-opening-a-file
[15:43] <Kilos> ty bushy
[15:43] <bushtech> old heads battle to count
[15:44] <bushtech> need all the help we can get
[15:44] <Kilos> wonderfull ty so much
[15:44] <Kilos> i have at times counted line for line
[15:44] <Kilos> you also old?
[15:44] <Kilos> goodness me
[15:45] <bushtech> Eish! me not have that much patience
[15:45] <Kilos> i get quite lonely at times
[15:45] <Kilos> most here are younger than my son
[15:46] <Kilos> and young peeps definitely speak a different language
[15:46] <bushtech> not many oldies play w/ keyboards
[15:47] <Kilos> langjan and i and now you
[15:47] <Kilos> woooot we getting there
[15:47] <Kilos> and goosie isnt a youngster anymore either
[15:47] <bushtech> but got my 85 yo mil into using whatsapp couple months ago
[15:48] <bushtech> beeg noddy badge
[15:48] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:48] <bushtech> the biggie was getting her to use the notepad
[15:49] <Kilos> lol
[15:56] <Kilos> you need to explain mil. l to far from m to be a typo
[15:56] <bushtech> mothr in law
[15:57] <Kilos> oh ya ty
[15:59] <Kilos> Maaz tell cryterion You need to give links here lad, via fb often wont be seen
[15:59] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell Cryterion on freenode
[16:35] <Kilos> haha hi Cryterion
[16:39] <Cryterion> http://www.techworm.net/2016/04/ubuntu-everywhere-infographic.html
[16:39] <Cryterion> is that better ;)
[16:40] <Cryterion> Hi Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> hehe ty young man
[16:40] <Kilos> havent you read in fb that i hate it
[16:41] <Kilos> dont think i follow even 5 peeps
[16:42] <Cryterion> yeah I know, sometimes forget
[16:42] <Kilos> lol np
[16:42] <Kilos> i try go there as little as possible
[16:42] <Cryterion> I might be young to you, but still not that young :)-
[16:48] <Kilos> wow ty Cryterion very interesting
[16:48] <Kilos> nearly everyone here is young to me
[16:48] <Kilos> but im honoured to be one of you and call you all friends
[16:58] <Kilos> funny, call any woman over 30 young lady and you get a lovely smile
[16:58] <Kilos> men say im not that young
[17:20] <inetpro> bush[tab]: ping
[17:20] <inetpro> oops
[17:21]  * inetpro likes that new acronym
[17:21] <inetpro> Kilos: my mil turned 85 today
[17:26] <Kilos> wow
[17:26] <Kilos> inetpro dunno if i must nag or what
[17:26] <Kilos> topic bar
[17:27] <inetpro> relax, tomorrow is another day
[17:27] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[17:27] <Kilos> hi Langjan
[17:28] <Langjan> Okm it took a long time to connect, hi Kilos  hoe gaan dit met jou?
[17:28] <Kilos> first cearance received and sent to the online visa site
[17:28] <Kilos> wat het jy nou gebreek?
[17:29] <Langjan> So things are happening at last
[17:29] <Kilos> en hoe gaan dit daar
[17:29] <Langjan> Niks nie man!
[17:29] <Langjan> alles wel dankie
[17:29] <Langjan> en met jou?
[17:29] <Kilos> yes no i just hope they dont want to try check that its correct because that will add more months
[17:30] <Kilos> last time the whole procedure took 2 years
[17:30] <Kilos> im happy to hear you broke nothing
[17:31] <Langjan> Eish!  Now you tell me!
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:33] <Langjan> So any indication when visa will be ready?
[17:33] <Kilos> haha inetpro i get to use it
[17:33] <Kilos> Langjan inetpro 's mil turned 85 today
[17:34] <Kilos> lets hear the comment
[17:34] <Langjan> Use what? mil?
[17:34] <Kilos> hahahahahaha
[17:34] <Kilos> mother in law
[17:35] <Langjan> oh, wow!   I'm just joking
[18:47] <inetpro> sorry Kilos but I'm busy with something else here
[18:48] <Kilos> np
[18:48] <pavlushka> to my knowledge debian was free and its soft collection is huge, sizing 7 GB
[18:48] <pavlushka> the 7.6 version.
[18:49] <pavlushka> with multiple dvds.
[18:50] <pavlushka> So superfly: inetpro knows the secret about you then?
[18:51] <superfly> pavlushka: inetpro knows more than he lets on
[18:52] <pavlushka> does he know which toothpaste you use?
[18:53] <pavlushka> superfly: ?
[18:53] <Kilos> he is busy pavlushka
[18:53] <superfly> pavlushka: I'm not sure... you'll have to ask him
[18:54] <Kilos> we lucky he finds anytime to chat
[18:54] <Kilos> till half way through july
[18:54] <Kilos> you have heard of debconf pavlushka ?
[18:55] <pavlushka> yes I was in that meeting
[18:55] <Kilos> right he is one of the organizers
[18:55] <pavlushka> but cant remember who was selected to go
[18:56] <Kilos> i think cryterion said he is going to try go
[18:57]  * pavlushka burps
[18:57] <Kilos> yes him
[18:57]  * pavlushka its tasty!
[18:59] <pavlushka> Kilos: is Cryterion busy packing then?
[18:59] <pavlushka> or he has gone already?
[19:00] <Kilos> its still some months ahead
[19:00] <Kilos> april may june then only july
[19:00] <pavlushka> ok, Cryterion, you can unpack your bags then, :p
[19:01] <Cryterion> Hi, can't promise I will make it, but will try, it'll depend on work load nearer the time
[19:02] <pavlushka> Hi how are you Cryterion ?
[19:02] <pavlushka> I was pinging you intentionally,:p
[19:02] <Cryterion> lol, all good and yourself
[19:03] <pavlushka> Yeah, same hear, all goods, no documents, ;p
[19:08] <pavlushka> have I told a lullaby?
[19:08] <pavlushka> *sang a lullaby
[19:13] <Kilos> sung
[19:14] <Kilos> lullabies are song you sing to put babies to sleep
[19:34] <pavlushka> and for me, good night guys!
[19:36] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:54] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:54] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[19:54] <Kilos> sleep earlier superfly . see you tomorrow


 @dohbee, yes actually you are right, screen lock happens immediately, and phone goes to sleep a bit later in time.
 @dohbee, that part is not somwth8ng i made up but rather something i experimented with and then i drew conclusions. Perhaps wrong ones, but:
 1. a gui app itself starts a http server to provide a website i terface. In windowed mode, after screen lock (and a bit after that when phone goes to sleep) i can no longer access that server from anotherachine. But in the windowed mode i still can even an hour after the lock.
 2. in the windowed mode battery drains down much faster
 @milkor73, that is part of their CDN, normal for blogspot
 @milkor73, that is related to specific versions of Firefox. Any other webbrowser will show it.
 @milkor73, oh... its addblock that causes this, not FF? were u able to rwnder the page without addblock? apparently it only happens in FF anyways.
[00:27] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Hello crew! I just want to give a big thank you shout-out. Ubuntu touch has so much to offer at such a young and comparatively unsupported stage. The only things I miss are exchange services, which has already been mentioned, dynamic keyboard apps, and the social app aspect of android (as so many of my aquaintances use whatsapp and the like, and getting them to switch is like trying to persuade a Chevy man to convert to Dodge). For my purpos
[00:27] <tgBot3> battery drain isn't considerably higher after several days of testing. It's great! And customizable.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, We sincerely appreciate your feedback!  Thanks for sending it....
[00:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> As for apps written for android, though the apps themselves are not compatible with Ubuntu touch,  are some …  of the coding languages the same? And if so, can one use large sections of that similar code to reproduce something similar? My guess is no... Because that hasn't happened, really...
 @Lukas Wolfskin, As far as Ubuntu Touch apps go, they are mainly written in Qt which is different from Android apps which are written in Java. So to port them, all code needs to be ported between programming languages which is extremely time consuming
[00:54] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Thought so...
[00:56] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> There's no automatic "translator", per se
 Indeed
 @Lukas Wolfskin, it's not barely the language that makes cross-platformness difficult but the APIs. Apps for androud can be written in many languages, java, c++, object pascal, and more. All these languages can also be used to write apps for UT. But the code in these languages on Android might dynamically or statically link against libraries that are not  provided on another platform. Such app is still a valid binary for another Linux OS with
[00:57] <tgBot3> same CPU architecture (some android devices are intel) but these binaries will fail to load libraries that are not present.
 more precisely only the dynamic linking will fail but some of libraries that are linked statically may then try to link dynamically to yet something else, that may not be present.
[00:58] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I kind of get it...
 @stuiterveer, qt is not a programming language but a widgetset. Android also supports qt5 since version 4.1
 @KrisJacewicz, Ah, my bad. Thanks :)
[01:02] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> The main thing I'm trying to …  ascertain is whether or not the logarithms and visual implementations of a keyboard app could "easily" (rather than a years worth of line by line grind) be moved over.
 also the java written android apps depend on a java runtime of android that is not a pure standard jvm but a dedicated runtime for Android.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, not sure what you meant, sorry
 @KrisJacewicz, i just thought that perhaps switching between staged and windowed mode changes sleep setting (in relation to screen lock?)...
[01:09] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> http://minuum.com/ … This app is phenomenal, and the word prediction and resizing keyboard are addictive. The thing is, I want to know if its worth even trying to port/retool or if it's an unsurmountable mountain.
[01:10] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Probably the latter...
[01:10] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> And maybe illegal...
[01:11] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/4CDSSdyg/file_3682.webp
 @KrisJacewicz, maybe the design ignored the possibility that users may switch to windowed mode on the device screen with tweak tool or from command line and only assumed it would ever happen when an external monitor is connected for convergence adding another assumption that phone would then have been docked or at least powered up so the power saving policy would be loosen up.
 and perhaps if u do switch to windowed mode in the toucscreen you also effectively switch over to a less power saving mode
 @Lukas Wolfskin, the logic may be possible to port but i wont be looking into the code to asses that. … Porting the gui might not be as easy as copy/paste though. … Also the integration with the OS,. registering that kbd for OS to use might not be straightforward either. … If you are really interrested you could consider porting that logic into a maliit plugin. As i said, i wont be looking into the source code of that though, so wont hv
[01:16] <tgBot3> asvise or feedback
[01:17] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> (Sticker, 360x512) https://irc.ubports.com/k8ne9q00/file_3683
[01:17] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @KrisJacewicz, Thanks for the help!
 I have a bunch of questions about Ubuntu Touch as I want to get involved sometime soon(ish). I know there was some TODO work on getting on top of helium base, is that still being worked on or is that already done? I can't seem to find any documentation on it anymore.  … Also, has there been a common census on sticking to Mir vs moving the Wayland? I'd love to read any conversation on this topic so I can understand the goals, challenges, etc
 @vanyasem, Then will this support apk files ?? or andbox?
 That answers one of my questions 😅
 Also, does anyone know about this? It seems that Halium is closely tied to UBport development (as far as I can tell) … https://twitter.com/crutchcorn/status/950962090298101760
 I've received an update on my BQ, it's called R3, is it a minor bug fix?
 @crutchcorn, t.me/halium
 Thanks @urielc!
 (Voice, 5s)https://irc.ubports.com/aqAdMIXv/file_3684
 Do anyone know how to install apk on UT Anbox ?
 was it already released? I mean the initial instructions?
 @Javacookies, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 😅 I guess I missed that news LOL
 so has anyone tried it already?
 A frend of me i´m waiting for my PRO 5, but we dont know how to install Android apps yet
 @Xray2000 ^^
 Fwd from xreactx: is it the same as on regular 16.04... "adb install [android].apk"
 Nexus 5 is not yet supported :( well I won't be able to try it anyway since it seems to do some flashing stuffs which wlill be a problem in MultiROM 😅
 @Flohack, was i correct?
 @Flohack, Ok thanks!
 Does installing version 12 of the 16.04/devel turbo image using ubports-installer work?
 @xreactx, No and
 @Xray2000, No 😆
 Florian, enlighten us...
 @xreactx, I have no idea, we have to wait for the big brains of @mariogrip ^^
 If its not in the document already, probably smth is not working well for it
 maybe in the anbox documentation that's mentioned? it might be the same way
 In other news, working on the first community channel:
 (Photo, 593x145) https://irc.ubports.com/5Hgm0IJn/file_3686.jpg
 This will be for community ports for new devices, we will not maintain it, but provide the Infra for this
 Its like xda platform integrated in our services haha
 @Flohack, print ("This is awesome");
 @Flohack, Florian, do wee need to do this command from the PC side as we try it inti the terminal on a M10 and that dont works
 @Kieran, I have tried both installer and command line, but my Pro 5 won't enter recovery.
 @Flohack, I don't exactly understand this but my reaction is "Awesome! cool!" :D
 @Javacookies, More like XDA and Dev's base kind of platform for porting stuff where porters and people can interact as I assume.
 @Xray2000, I said no. So why you think that works? It was a joke ;)
 @Javacookies, It means: People from the community can port UT to their device, and then publish the result, so others can install it
 😜😜😁😁😉😊😽👽😐😐😱🙀🙀😂
 In the current case, you can use Walids build to install on Moto G 2013 or 2014, I am not sure. What is Titan?
 Later on the installer should be able to use those channels too
 @Flohack, Oh ok i missed that sorry ....
 @Flohack, Why don't just get corporated with Dev's base or XDA for OS specific forums? They are already having a nice user base.
 @theimpulson, Because we need to have the images in our system-image server, to enable auto-installaton and updates to devices
 They can do whatever they want on xda, but our ecosystem makes things much easier
 No manual flashing with shady tools etc
 xda is great for developers but a mess ofr ordinary users
[08:27] <bshah> (xda is mess for devs as well tbh)
 hahaha 😆
 And at the end, we want people trusting our deliveries, so if we authorize a build on the community channel, it was at least tested and verified a bit
 Can you guys add MX4 to the tester devices for Anbox? Would like to help testing as that phone isn't doing much else right now for me but it needs to be brought into the Anbox fold.
 @bshah, +200
 @Kieran, I tried again starting the installer with `sudo ubports-installer`while having Pro 5 in bootloader mode. Was asked to reboot to recovery and this time the install succeeded (16.04/devel r13).
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Fancy word prediction generally implies intrusiveness from a privacy perspective.Handle with care I think
 @donR, UT will not run apk files natively. Some will run, to some extent, in the Anbox emulator
 @Xray2000, Unfortunate use of 'dailyuse'. Better to name it 'absolutelynotfordailyuse'
 @Akira_rulezZ, It is OTA3. You are very late to the party!
 @Xray2000, Neee this for OPO
 @Stereofont, Yes, Sorry 😬 … Is there a changelog for it?
[09:45] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont, Thanks fornthe input, Lionel. 😎 I had minimum running on a google-less rom and didn't allow the app access to my phone or contacts and it worked really well. Additionally, the dictionary is local, as you can see in the review below...
[09:45] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> http://android.appstorm.net/reviews/utilities/minuum-keyboard-gimmick-or-innovation/
[09:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I just have no idea where to start... I've landed on the ubports app development page--which is okay.  I'm no programmer, but as a mild hobbyist I think I can figure things out a bit.  The real thing is, I don't know where to start digging within the .apk, how to tell the code from other code, etc...  A place to get some beginner/background info would be a great help.
[09:49] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> ideally, pulling the logic , as @KrisJacewicz  suggested, and adding it as a plugin for maliit would be where I'd try starting...
[09:51] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> and if there are severe privacy issues embedded in the thing, then I'll stuff it.  So being able to identify those within the word prediction logic would be a key "to do" before doing any real heavy lifting"
 @Lukas Wolfskin, well, despite the fact that apk is a compressed archive that you can extract the content of, that extracted content will not contain program source code, but a Dalvik bytecode. So a compiled program. Good luck with reverse engineering it;) … The only way you can prot, is to have access to the source code, no to apk file.
[09:51] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> LOL, see— i have no idea what I'm talking about
 sure, some portions in the apk can be plain text, but not the main program
[09:52] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 🙈
[09:53] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> <— n00b...  g33z i l0v3d th3 90s
 @Lukas Wolfskin, I guess wireshark to start?
 I am not a programmer either but what I have picked up here is that it is much easier to build from scratch than to 'import' from Android. Inspiration is of course a different matter…
[10:01] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I don't have it to write this kind of code for language prediction...  I'm inspired... but lack resources--particularly time.
[10:02] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> ideally, a disassembler (there are programs that do it, apparently) would "convert binary code into assembly code and also used to extract strings, imported and exported functions, libraries etc. The disassemblers convert the machine language into a user-friendly format" [https://blog.udemy.com/reverse-engineering-tutorial/].
[10:02] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> but, anyway...
 @Akira_rulezZ, Maybe you can start by going to the ubports main page ???
 Don't be lazy
 what are you trying to disassemble?
 I use IDA Professional from HexRays
 it's does more than disassemble, it recreates the code in it's own C-like pseudo-code
 It can also just disassemble it
 @Flohack, Does this mean community devices will never be core devices?
 My understanding of core devices are working well with the os.. if community build works well.. why it cannot be core device?
[10:09] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Well, I'm not trying yet @Xorpad . But If  I were, it would be Dalvik bytecode
 @technicalbird, Community can be core devices if they are able to follow the requirements. Its just a denomination to tell you "Look, this is not built & supported by UBports crew, but by possible a single guy. All complaints to him please :P"
 @malditobastardo, Oh yes, sorry, I'll take a look, thank you
 We cannot support all possible devices, we instead want to help the community to help itself
 dalvik  is the one feature not in the free version:P
 So we create the ecosystem
 @Lukas Wolfskin, "user friendly" you say, have you seen assembly code?
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Forget reverse engineering. It does not produce output you can use for porting an app. Plus it violates the copyright probably, which means you can be sued for stealing IP. Be careful ^^
 before you can work with a disassembler, you need to know assembly...
[10:11] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @KrisJacewicz yes... and I'm crosseyed! 😜
 @Flohack, What are the requirements a device should satisfy to become core device?
[10:12] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Flohack I am aware, as I posted above ^^
[10:13] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> which is why I've run into a wall at every turn and decided to go back to correcting essays...
[10:13] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 🤕😶
 @technicalbird, Being able to run certain features: Anbox, Halium, Convergence. Or just what we decide ;)
 @malditobastardo, I'm not lazy, I simply forgot about that, sorry for bother
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Swift knows what you are going to type before you have even thought it. Terrifying! In a couple  of years, it will send the messages you would have sent to your friends, so that you don't have to bother 😂
[10:17] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 👻
[10:36] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> what word prediction is the keyboard in UT using? Anyone know?  hunspell, presage, or something else?
 presage i think
[10:39] <tgBot3> saverius93 was added by: saverius93
 @saverius93, Welcome Saverio! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 Lukas see the prediciton section here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KeyboardLayouts
 @DanChapman, I see hunspell files in /usr/share
 https://t.me/ubportsitaliano
[10:45] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> That's the trick!  @KrisJacewicz @DanChapman  … presage is rumored to be better (along with the depreciated aspell) but hunspell is more widely used (even in iOS) as it was closed and not LGPL
[10:45] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> anyway, is it possible to use more than one ebook as the "trainer" for the keyboard?
[10:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> wasn't LGPL, it is now...
[10:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> hunspell, that is
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Would be great to have a dedicated keyboard maintainer group. If only the keyboard was as good as the terminal app …
 @Lukas Wolfskin, You might be able to do it using `text2ngram` and point it at the keyboards database_<LC>.db
 https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/blob/1ea721476ed10b62e63fb0037ec353d0f53fe01b/plugins/en/src/src.pro#L27 is how the database is generated
[10:52] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I don't really know what that means, but i'll keep it in mind as I keep learning.#
[10:54] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> LOL!! Dorian Gray... that explains SOOO much.
 😊
[10:55] <tgBot3> Asror16 was added by: Asror16
 Hello guys
 @Asror16, Hello Асрор. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
[10:56] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> hiya Асрор
[10:57] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> so, it looks like it uses presage AND hunspell...
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
[10:57] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> regarding libs.  so, which one is the default?
[10:58] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> and why include dorian gray three times, and not two other, more diverse texts?
 Can i ask you about ubuntu problems with wifi adapter
 @Asror16, You can ask 😂
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Why language from 1910??
 Ok my wi fi is BCM 43142 802.11
 @Asror16, Your router?
 And it doesnt'n work on ubuntu in all wersions
 V*
 Its not router
 @Asror16, Please explain a little more
[11:01] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont If you look at the link @DanChapman sent me, above, you'll see the three texts used to teach the ubports keyboard are all The Picture of Dorian Gray...
 Internal wifi adapter  wich is inside the notebook
 Guys, my telegram contacts are not synced with my google (norma contacts) ones. How can i do? The only thing happening is a circular icon spinning forever...
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Yes that is odd but it is only a small progressiion from Charles Dickens
[11:02] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> ??
 What can i do with wifi on ubuntu to make it work
 @Asror16, Ubuntu OS on a notebook? So it is a driver problem
 Yes
 You can buy a very cheap USB plugin. In some the chip will work well with Ubuntu
 What is
 This is a Ubuntu Touch phone/tablet group
 I cant catch
 Can you explain more
 @Asror16, Some Realtek work, others don't. Search the chips and hope for some luck. Chips vary in the same usb
 @Lukas Wolfskin, hunspell is used for spell checking https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/blob/7c7e20afe2fa4d53c24031b23b6f497019e1094c/plugins/westernsupport/spellchecker.cpp#L36
 Is there any list of support
 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/networking/wireless-usb-adapters/abcat0503007.c?id=abcat0503007
 Thanks
[11:08] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman, Aaand presage is for?? Prediction? Why are both libs included?
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide/Drivers
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Yeah presage for prediction and hunspell for spellchecking
 @Asror16, $7-8 should be sufficient. Maybe easier than replacing your wifi card
[11:10] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman so how does that practically work when the keyboard makes a suggestion?  is only presage used? because none of my apps show spelling errors AFTER i've typed a word...
 @Asror16, This group is for Ubuntu on phones 😀
 Understood
 @Asror16, 👍
[11:11] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @DanChapman, This is the primary post I'm referring to.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, No they are both used. Hunspell will try to correct a misspelt word after you hit the space bar. For instance if it type `Tesst` is changes it to `Tessy` when i hit space. This would come from hunspell. Presage shows the predictions in the predicitons bar above the keyboard
 has someone a working Dockerfile for ubuntu touch development !? ...
[11:14] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Got it. And presage learns from my typing and word selections.
 Yep 😊
[11:15] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I'm going to settle in, then, with trying to retool the appearance and sizing of the keyboard and keys.
[11:41] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> and can I change the training texts locally, or is that something that has to be done externally and reinstalled?
 @Asror16, My suggestion was cheap and simple. More correctly, update on an Ethernet connection and enable Additional Drivers. Check which wifi chipset you are using, in terminal. Search around for the right driver. Success rate maybe 30%. https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-find-wireless-driver-chipset/
[11:53] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Lukas Wolfskin, @DanChapman
 @Lukas Wolfskin, text2ngram has an `--append` option so i suppose you could add to the current db. http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/text2ngram.1.html but if you wanted to make it available to everyone then yeah it would need a rebuild
 Ubuntu 16.04.03 samba not working?
 @PsP238, Explain?
 @Javacookies, News gets missed... from time to time... :(
 @Flohack, This is for people like me who want the device to actually work and have no skills to fix broken things
 @Flohack, smart!  good idea.  this will actually speed up ports and allow people to 'port-as-you-need' and prioritize ports without hindrance from community's own goals.  For example an older device might not be cared about by 90% of community but the 10% can work together to port it... i like
 @wayneoutthere, Exactly!
 Authorized porters can upload all files by themselves, so we dont need to be in the loop. It sounds really promising
 @Flohack, 👊   … that's a 'fist bump'.  The cool kids do it.  I still prefer the high five, though.
 Di mejanya om denny seingatku. Krn saya kasih ke om denny semuanya.
 Saya minta maaf tapi kami tidak memiliki kelompok dalam bahasa Indonesia
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cFh9j7bw/file_3687.webp
 It was deleted.  I was apologising that we don't have an Indonesian group
[13:03] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I'm over 30🙇🏽
[13:03] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 🤦🏼♂
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ZdVe0V09/file_3688.mp4
 @Lukas Wolfskin, 👊👊
 Just hit 40, brother from another mother
 Updated my will... got a bit of back pain, wish I had my motorbike... good times!
[13:25] <tgBot3> Noroholms was added by: Noroholms
 @Noroholms, Welcome Dmitriy! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 http://t.me/UBports_Ru
[13:45] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> lol... same story, different place
 have a big bug?
 @Sunshine, Explain?  😀
 @Flohack, Authorized Porter? How? More info!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9GQqcMsn/file_3689.mp4
 Big Bug (band)
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/IWWqlpQ0/file_3691.JPG
 @technicalbird, Finish a port successfully and get recommended by 2 or 3 testers, I would say. But we did not make an official process for that
 Oh... that bug
 Because my phone ota update failed ,so i flash at ubuntu , to do ubuntu-device-flash ,,,,,
 @Flohack, @Flohack I think these info's should be written some where as all these are basic things! Probably on wiki or forum!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l9FRndRX/file_3693.JPG
 @technicalbird, Yes we are preparing community channels. Everything hits us at the same time, so need a little bit patience still ;)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/IAW2o5TV/file_3695.jpg
 Try again
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EyggJHMu/file_3697.jpg
[14:01] <tgBot3> <shen feng> @Sunshine, What  happen ?
 ota update fails，flash update fails
[14:03] <tgBot3> <shen feng> 16.04or15.04?
[14:05] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> LOL, I'm totally lost @DanChapman @KrisJacewicz  … all I want to do is change two of the books, lines 28 and 29  [ https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component/blob/1ea721476ed10b62e63fb0037ec353d0f53fe01b/plugins/en/src/src.pro#L27 ], on MY PHONE, to see how it will change the text prediction... but I've spent the better half of my day reading, poking around, and trying figure this out.  Help, guidance?
 What have you tried so far?
[14:06] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I haven't tried, because I can only find resources...
[14:07] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> i know WHAT i want to do, but can't find HOW...
 Do you have your additions in .txt format?
[14:07] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> i've been searching around with terms like "change keyboard-compenent src.pro locally" and etc
[14:08] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> yes, I do!
[14:08] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> pulled them both from Project Gutenberg
 Do you want to completely wipe the db and replace or append to the current db?
 i hope it's good luck this time
[14:09] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> append--but I don't understand why the_picture_of_dorian_gray.txt is repeated on lines 27, 28 and 29...
 16.04
 @shen feng, 16.04
[14:10] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> well, I have tried to find files on the phone--but the files app doesn't have a search function that I can find...
 @Lukas Wolfskin, it's the number of n-grams see the man page i linked before. 😊 You need to find where the database was installed to and then run each of those commands passing in your new txt files. i.e `text2ngram -n 1 -l -f sqlite --append -o /path/to/database /path.to.new.txt`
[14:12] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> so there are three possible ngrams. okay.
[14:13] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> I've been trying to figure out where the database was installed to on my phone.  Additionally, do I need to install a program to run text2ngram?
 my god, it's failed
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/FgV671j4/file_3699.jpg
 It used to be very smooth, why did it fail this time?
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/YJI9XM0F/file_3701.jpg
 @Lukas Wolfskin, FileManager devel version has more features. UTtweaktool is also useful
 @Sunshine, 16.04 is unstable. No predicting what it might mess up
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/c0Vt7UGG/file_3703.jpg
 This is my favorite language
[16:00] <bshah> WHAT?
[16:00] <bshah> @mariogrip didn't backport qt patch yet? o_O
[16:00] <bshah> or you are using wrong qtbase version
 @bshah, he's missing the env var,
[16:00] <bshah> ah well
 I think it only happens on this specific build, with this specific configur...yeah
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/OJVbkeCG/file_3705.jpg
 All better
[16:04] <bshah> yay
 I have an observation with the battery on my bq E5 … I think it also has battery drain while in idle (for example overnight) but the battery percentage doesn't move or just barely. What happens is that when this happen, the battery percentage shown to use isn't accurate anymore and when the time comes that the battery actually has low charge, the battery percentage suddenly drops in a very fast pace. … What do you think? Although I'd say my
[16:28] <tgBot3> has great battery, I currently have 54% in 130 hours though I predict it'll drop to 0 very soon :D
 @Flohack, patience?????  I'd be in a forum if i had patience!  I want it and i want it NOWWWWWW!
 (that was a joke - but normally I'm a very serious man)
 @Javacookies: I already have this sudden battery drop on my BQ E5 since one a half year or so. Because this behaviour started suddenly and never changed I guess it's more a problem with the battery.
 @wayneoutthere, This is a recursive sentence.
 @C_Chat, yeah, it's a very old bug but I just think that's what really happen
 in Nexus 5, battery drain is very apparent because you can see the percentage drops
 @Javacookies, I think the only certain points are 100% and 0%. Any reading in between is a work of fiction
 LOL, on my Nexus5, I think everything is a fiction, I fully charge it for only around 1-1.5 hours :P
 @Lukas Wolfskin, In response to why this text/book was selected I think it has to do with that the text/book should be free to distribute. I think it was mentioned in adding languages to keyboard documentation that Mike Sheldon has pointed to once.
 @Stereofont, I'm sorry. It was wrong posted.
 @Yance, No problem. Our apology stands 😎
 (Sticker, 402x512) https://irc.ubports.com/17fN44tn/file_3706
 @Stereofont, we're always recruiting new Language Captains.  It's a position of the highest honour
 Can someone come to the FP2 chat and assist with a windows ubports installer doing nothing with a FP2 in fastboot mode? Adb and fastboot are installed.
 Fwd from Wolfgang Zenner: Hello, I connected my FP2 two hours ago to my PC and started "adb devices". Then I started UBports installer, selected my FP2 and got the screen "Please reboot to bootloader". I entered "adb reboot bootloader" and the FP2 restartet and shows the screen Fairphone powered by android. No I have made a hardcopy...
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/outsFv0a/file_3707.pdf
 @YougoChats, If you type … ```adb devices``` … do you see the FP2 coming up?
 It’s not me who needs help, it’s a guy in the FP2 thread. There’s backlog there.
 Ah
 @YougoChats, Can you ask him to exit the installer and type fastboot devices?
 @Flohack, Fastboot works fine
 It sees the phone
 This I dont understand then. The installer just waits for fastboot seeing the device
 @Flohack could it help to start the installer with admin privileges, or start it from cmd to get verbose output?
 I think admin privileges can help
 No idea if that's the reason, but might be worth a shot
 @YougoChats, Sure is it snap version?
 He just got the installer for Windows from the website. Don’t know what is under its hood
 Win10
[19:09] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> @NikosChat, Thats clear, but more than one book can be selected and diversifying the type of texts used increases probability of better prediction from the outset--if the program really uses them as a guide from point 0. I would think... But I don't really know...
 If I understood well, uNav will stop working soon with no apparent solution. As well, google maps works in basic mode so, we will not have an online navigation system?
 Is there any possibility to get google maps in 'normal' mode?
 not having navigation system is a big issue from my point of view!
 @Marcos, +1
 Where is that FP2 chat?
 @Marcos, What? Why? When?
 @Ingo_FP_Angel, https://telegram.me/joinchat/AI_ukwlaB6KCsteHcXD0jw
 Ah :)
 The app OSMScout shows you how to go anywhere offline. But we had to know how to make updated maps. It would be good that a developer will continue the program.
 el problema es el gps
 que un mapa te marque el camino no es problema
 el problema es no saber donde uno esta parado
 I've noticed QGIS is available on Raspian. If it has been made to work on the Raspberry Pi is it a future possibility for our higher spec phones?
 @Mark, You can probably install and run it under libertine today.
 it doesn't seem really designed for touch based systems though
[21:08] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> about libertine... i've created a libertine container, per https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html#  … however, what goes in the place of PACKAGE-NAME? Is this an application package name i'm supposed to pull from some list I don't know about... and/or where is the package supposed to be? (like i put it somewhere that libertine knows to look...)
 @Lukas Wolfskin, it's the debian package name (for example, gedit or firefox)
[21:11] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> and where/how do I find out the debian package name for a program?
 @dohbee, Probably not on my E4.5 :) I know it isn't particularly touch friendly but I was thinking it would be good to have access to as we get nearer 'convergence'. I'd be interested to know if anyone has installed it and whether it was useable on a newer phone or the tablet.
 @Lukas Wolfskin, If you have an Ubuntu system, you can search the archive with `apt-cache` for example. you can check packages.ubuntu.com to find packages as well
 @Mark, Given the breadth of features available, I would guess it would be usable up to a point.
[21:40] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> ??? @dohbee  … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ libertine-container-manager install-package -p master-pdf-editor … Package 'master-pdf-editor' is already installed. … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ libertine-container-manager remove-package -p master-pdf-editor … Reading package lists... Done … Building dependency tree        … Reading state information... Done … E: Unable to locate package master-pdf-editor
[21:40] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Thanks heaps, btw for the tip!  Libre office is properly installed.
 weird
[21:41] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 😊
[21:41] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> but master-pdf-editor is acting funny
[21:41] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> Maybe I should erase the container and try again...
 isn't it proprietary?
[21:43] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> one CAN buy it... but it's in the ubuntu store
 there is no master-pdf-editor package in ubuntu archive though
[21:43] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> it's a buy for more functions, kind of thing
 you can't install it on your phone in libertine that way
[21:43] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> even if it's in the ubuntu store? hmm...
[21:44] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> okay
 in ubuntu store?
 as a snap?
[21:44] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> that software install store thing Ubuntu ships with
[21:46] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> ? dunno 🤦🏻♂ the software center just has an install button
[21:46] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> so I tried installing the package...
[21:46] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> meh
 it must be a snap
[21:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> one can download it as a .deb from https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/#get
 yes
 probably only for x86
[21:48] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> aha...
[21:49] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> 🙇🏻
[21:49] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> or 32? but my phone is armf
 so you could theoretically install it and use it under unity8/libertine, on an x86 machine, but you'd still need to do a more manual install, because it's not in the ubuntu archives, being proprietary
 right, phone is armhf
 so it can't run x86 code
[21:51] <tgBot3> <Lukas Wolfskin> got it... steep learning curve... but it's fun.  Sorry I look like such an idiot! 🕺🏻
 what's a livecd-rootfs?
 https://github.com/ubports/livecd-rootfs
 (Sticker, 416x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cjlK0Cfc/file_3708
 Any news regarding the new battery drain on the BQ's? Is there any clue on why it's happening since the last OTA?
 @popescu_sorin, a rootfs for a live cd?  :D
 ubports distro!
 muhahaha
 would be coool
 sure
 i only need 6-7 snaps and a stable core
 i don't like to mess with random PPAs and the system stuff
 if i have whatever ubuntu with some new snaps like gimp, inkscape
 telegram, firefox, chrome i think i'll be ok :))
 maybe also krita
 @popescu_sorin, Agree … Snap fix the package conflicts
 and now i need to buy this
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOq51hvZ-lk
 anybody else got problems with Telegram app?
 it hangs on white screen
 on 16.05?
 err, 16.04
 @tylnesh, Is it your connection good?
 UBports on BQ m10, so 15.04 probably
 Does anyone here have a link to a good comparison of ubports and plasma mobile?
 @Michele, Should be.
 Github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/73 it seems something like this: The login is taking too much time. Or Maybe it's more similar to Github.com/ubports/telegram-app/issues/33 ...
 Also the notifications and webtelegram works, just the UBports telegram app doesnt.
 @Michele, Seems to be neither of those
 Have you already tried to restart the phone?
 @YougoChats, @mariogrip @neothethird can one of you help this guy out in the Fairphone 2 + ubports group? He's running into increasingly weird problems trying to install UT on his FP2 and has now softbricked it. He's afk now, but I'm out of wits on this.
 @Michele, Yep, also tried to uninstall, purge the app and install it again
 still white screen
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/xSVdD2yh/file_3709
 Fwd from nanu_c: Hey ubuntu touch folk, great news, the signal app now has a passhprase secured message storage that can be activted under preferences. https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.nanuc
 @per_sonne, Some ppl think it comes from push client going wild now
 @Flohack, "going wild"? Snorting cocaine on horse back while playing the violin? Or is someone doing something sexual to the server?
 @per_sonne, we dont know yet :)
 battery drain only happens when cellular data is turned on
 weird.
 @nanu_c, Cool to see this being developed again


[00:10] <andrew> Good luck
[00:10] <andrew> I'd love to see a dump of that db if you manage to dissect it
[00:11] <MutantTurkey> lol
[00:18]  * EvilResistance has an sqlitedb tool
[00:26] <MutantTurkey> aa
[00:26] <MutantTurkey> @karma
[00:26] <PennBot> MutantTurkey: Highest karma: "cats" (6), "pleia2" (2), "MutantTurkey" (2), "motherboards" (1), "dogs" (1), "mice" (1), "PennBot" (1), and "EvilResistance" (1).  Lowest karma: "childishgames" (-1), "ChinnoDog" (-1), "artificial_karma" (-1), "MobileTurkey" (0), "motherboards" (1), "dogs" (1), "mice" (1), and "PennBot" (1).  You (MutantTurkey) are ranked 2 out of 13.
[00:27] <ChinnoDog> pleia2++
[00:28] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog++
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> WOOHOOOO OOOO
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> after all f'ing day
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> I finally reimplemented this whole feature.
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> cracked it on the way home. like a boss
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[02:38] <MutantTurkey> WOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOOOO
[02:39] <MutantTurkey> gonna go home and sleep
[02:39] <MutantTurkey> waltman: you know that pizza truck in the alley behind the main building? their cheesesteaks are terrible.
[03:24] <MutantTurkey> anyone have any ideas how to configure a laptop display?
[03:24] <MutantTurkey> anyone have any ideas how to configure a laptop display?
[03:24] <MutantTurkey> as in the same way a desktop monitor allows for configuration
[03:25] <MutantTurkey> the color on the X220 is terrible
[03:25] <MutantTurkey> It's too cool
[03:28] <InHisName> Some lappys come with an app for 'tuning' the color mix.  Usually rated by degrees Kelvin and a couple others.
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: linux though/
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> ?
[03:31] <MutantTurkey> yeah i'm assuming it's flowting in the 9300K instead of the more natural 6500k
[03:34] <Sadin> MutantTurkey gah so many commits to my drupal site for this competition its insane https://bitbucket.org/Sadin56/dbtsa-2011/overview
[03:35] <Sadin> need to build a page for each item on this list with a brief desc http://fpaste.org/ykZO/
[03:36] <Sadin> or at least make a page with all of em on it with a brief desc
[03:40] <waltman> MutantTurkey: It's very easy. 1) Buy a macbook. 2) Open it up. :)
[03:41] <MutantTurkey> lol
[03:41] <MutantTurkey> actually there ais an awesome set of tools i fond
[03:47] <JonathanD> waltman: You have to open the macbooks? Thats awful complicated...
[04:24] <waltman> JonathanD: If opening it up is too much trouble, you can always get an iPad :)
[14:12] <jedijf> @later tell mutantturkey http://stereopsis.com/flux/
[14:12] <PennBot> jedijf: Command Succeeded.
[16:06] <JonathanD> waltman: someone told me you have to push some sort of... button?
[16:19] <rmg51> wait, you mean macbooks can't read your mind?
[16:20] <JonathanD> apparently.
[16:24] <rmg51> not worth the money then
[19:27] <JonathanD> jedijf: thought you might like to know...
[19:28] <JonathanD> Got touchscreen working on the x200, 11.10.
[22:29] <jedijf> JonathanD: awesome
[22:32] <waltman> This morning I gave a perl talk for some Mac weenies.
[22:33] <waltman> I have to confess there may have been some closed-source commercial software in my talk :(
[23:26] <jedijf> waltman: mac 'weenies' ?
[23:39] <waltman> weenies.
[23:41] <jedijf> damn. harsh


[00:30] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2019-May/001900.html in case anyone still keeps up with IRC.
[00:30] <jenni> [ 2018, erm, 2019 voting for IRCC has started, look for CIVS email ] - https://bit.ly/2VIF31p


[03:01] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[03:01] <Umeaboy> Who's the maintainer of MKVtoolnix in Ubuntu 16.10?
[03:02] <Umeaboy> There has been a new release update and it's not pushed to the official Ubuntu medias yet.
[03:03] <Umeaboy> Latest official version is 9.6.0 and Ubuntu 16.10 have 9.3.1.
[03:06] <Umeaboy> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This doesn't seem to be the right place either.
[03:06] <Umeaboy> Confusing as heck.
[13:52] <pindonga> hi popey how can I help?
[13:52] <popey> bhdouglass: pindonga may be able to help
[13:52] <popey> unfortunately I no longer have store powers, so can't help you anymore
[13:52] <bhdouglass> They demote you? ;)
[13:52] <popey> :)
[13:54] <bhdouglass> pindonga: I uploaded an update to my uappexplorer-donate.bhdouglass app last night and I've got a v3.01 pending manual review. It doesn't need manual review as I've uploaded v3.02 (but it's blocked by v3.01's manual review). If possible could the manual review on v3.01 be canceled so the automated review can happen for v3.02?
[13:54] <pindonga> bhdouglass, let me take a look
[13:54] <bhdouglass> thanks!
[13:55] <bhdouglass> I accidentally uploaded a kinda broken package with v3.01
[13:56] <pindonga> bhdouglass, is it ok if I reject the 3.01 upload?
[13:56] <pindonga> since you want 3.02 anyway that seems like the right approach to me
[13:56] <bhdouglass> Of course, get rid of it!
[13:57] <pindonga> done
[13:57] <pindonga> and 3.02 shows up as good
[13:58] <bhdouglass> Awesome, just published v3.02, thanks so much!
[14:00] <pindonga> \o/
[14:00] <pindonga> yw
[23:47] <ryanleesipes> Hey guys, is Ubuntu-Terminal-App Snapped up, and if so where can I grab the Snap?