[22:39] <purencool> hi all I have been looking at awk or gawk do you guys use it?  It seems that other languages could do the same thing  in a cleaner way eg python
[22:57] <jea> I haven't used awk much. It is pretty powerful though


[07:05] <ara> morning!
[08:36] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:37] <davmor2> ara: Morning
[08:43] <davmor2> ara: hows things in sunny spain
[08:43] <ara> davmor2: good, thanks. it was raining yesterday :)
[08:43] <ara> davmor2: today is much better weather
[08:44] <davmor2> I've got all the lights on here it's to dark to see without them.  Man it's cloudy
[08:59]  * ara takes a break
[09:41] <davmor2> hiya schwuk
[10:01] <schwuk> lo davmor2


[00:52] <webfox> Could someone help me reduce and keep it reduced after boot the console fonts please ?
[01:08] <hallyn> stgraber: trying out your daily lxc build.  lxc-ls doesn't work :(
[01:20] <halvors> JanC: No i know that. I'm sending outgoing SMTP traffic from my server via the ISP's relay. What's the problem is that i cannot connect, authenticate and send from it. I use the mail-stack-delivery package :) The host is s1.halvors.org telneting it on port 25 works just fine :)
[01:23] <stgraber> hallyn: how so?
[01:24] <stgraber> hallyn: it's still the old upstream shell version as my python implementation hasn't been acked yet :)
[01:24] <webfox> Could someone help me reduce and keep it reduced after boot the console fonts please ?
[01:42] <hallyn> stgraber: it doesnt' show running containers :(
[01:42] <hallyn> were there objections to the python version?
[01:43] <hallyn> all right lemme review right now :)
[01:46] <stgraber> hallyn: the only objection was about removing the shell version which I'll try to avoid doing (by adding some magic installing the python versions when possible and otherwise falling back to shell)
[01:46] <stgraber> hallyn: lxc-ls --active is what you want I believe
[01:46] <stgraber> hallyn: upstream's lxc-ls doesn't give you the same output as Debian's
[01:52] <hallyn> stgraber: no --active gave me junk
[01:55] <qman__> smw, thanks, that's what I was looking for
[02:37] <TheOnionRack> I've just installed Ubuntu 12.10 Server onto my VPS, and I've found that it's running Apache2 and Samba out of the box. Is that really the default behaviour, or is that something that my VPS provider has done to their VM image? It seems really odd to me that Ubuntu would ship the server with those services preinstalled and already running.
[02:38] <sarnold> TheOnionRack: that'd be something your VPS did for you
[02:38] <JanC> it's not the default
[02:38] <TheOnionRack> I thought that
[02:38] <TheOnionRack> I wonder what else they've changed
[02:38] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#ports
[02:39] <JanC> also, running Samba by default on a public VPS sounds stupid...
[02:39] <sarnold> ++
[02:39] <TheOnionRack> Yeah. That's what I thought. It has home shares set to read only by default :O
[02:41] <sarnold> maybe they're selling "pre-made cloud for you and your windows friends!" or something, but it seems strange...
[02:41] <sarnold> I'd expect OpenSSH, because it's the easiest way to make anything else work :) but that's it.
[02:42] <TheOnionRack> It has openssh running out of the box along with bind
[02:42] <JanC> certainly nothing else should listen externally
[02:42] <TheOnionRack> but it's not marketed as a cloud VPS, it's just bog-standard VPS
[02:44] <JanC> is samba actually configured to listen publicly?
[02:44] <TheOnionRack> yeah
[02:45] <TheOnionRack> you can mount \\vps.example.com\username and browse that user's homeshare (read only)
[02:45] <TheOnionRack> across the internet
[02:45] <TheOnionRack> It's kinda mindblowing
[02:47] <JanC> I wonder why ISPs insist on changing distro images at all...
[02:47] <JanC> except maybe if something is needed for the hardware or such
[02:48] <sarnold> JanC: that's almost a sign that they need better hardware :)
[02:48] <sarnold> TheOnionRack: very yikes,
[02:48] <sarnold> TheOnionRack: if it were tied to _your_ IP that'd be a little less scary
[02:49] <sarnold> but I'd be reluctant to ever use a mahcine that'd run samba on a public-facing IP -- I'm not sure I'd ever trust it to not be pre-rooted.
[03:12] <pndemc> Is there a way to wget an entire directory and all of its contents?
[03:15] <sarnold> pndemc: --mirror --no-parent is probably what you're after
[03:20] <pndemc> sarnold, that looks for an index.html, I just have a bunch of files in the folder that I need it to download
[03:22] <sarnold> pndemc: how else would the client discover the names of the files to request?
[03:22] <pndemc> they are not being hidden, simple accessing the directory should reveal the contents
[03:23] <pndemc> it does in the browser
[03:23] <sarnold> and your webserver does not automatically generate a directory listing?
[03:23] <pndemc> it does
[03:23] <pndemc> wget is not picking up on it I guess though
[03:23] <sarnold> hrm. I've nevre had a problem with wget --mirror --no-parent http://server/path/to/foo/ -- where there was no index.html, but the server generated one for me...
[03:24] <sarnold> normally apache generates six different stupid views, and wget will download all six of them, it feels like an utter waste of time :)
[03:26] <pndemc> sarnold, "domain.com/downloads/tf: No such file or directorydomain.com/downloads/tf/index.html: No such file or directory
[03:26] <pndemc> "
[03:26] <pndemc> sarnold, as you can see it's looking specificly for index.html
[03:30] <sarnold> pndemc: how about domain.com/downloads/tf/   ?
[03:30] <sarnold> (trailing slash)
[03:35] <pndemc> sarnold, same error
[03:39] <sarnold> pndemc: no kidding :(
[03:46] <ekaj> I installed the KDE desktop on ubuntu server, and I can't figure out how to run Dolphin as root - does anyone have any suggestions?
[03:50] <sarnold> ekaj: sudo dolphin  ?
[03:52] <ekaj> Ah sorry, it threw errors so I assumed it didn't work, but it did
[03:53] <sarnold> a great many kde programs spew a giant pile of debugging information to standard out or standard error, but continue to work just fine...
[03:53] <sarnold> I find it uesful to run the 'first' KDE program in a terminal window, then minimize that terminal, and run everything else from another terminal -- the messages all come from the first one (which starts the kdeinit process)
[05:01] <ScottK> If ekaj comes back, tell him Dolphin wasn't designed to run as root.  If he wants to run a KDE based GUI file manager as root, he should use Krusader.
[05:02] <sarnold> thanks ScottK :)
[07:50] <jamespage> morning all
[07:55] <philipballew> is running ksplise on my home server a bad idea?
[07:55] <philipballew> by bad idea I mean, is it gonna mess up my system?
[08:01] <sarnold> philipballew: what's ksplise?
[08:03] <philipballew> sarnold, http://www.ksplice.com/
[08:03] <sarnold> woah, this things still around?
[08:05] <philipballew> sarnold, apparently
[10:36] <iliv> hi
[10:37] <iliv> I need to run apt-get -s dist-upgrade on hardy for scripting purporses over ssh, but it wants me to do it via sudo
[10:37] <iliv> precise, for example, doesn't care about sudo and let's you run apt-get/aptitude
[10:38] <iliv> I'd like to be able to do the same with hardy
[10:38] <iliv> any ideas how?
[10:38] <Jeeves_> visudo NOPASSWD
[10:48] <iliv> Jeeves_, the point is, precise doesn't care about sudo at all. You could just run apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[10:48] <iliv> I don't like your suggestion because it means writing code for just one host
[10:49] <iliv> I've got mostly precise servers
[10:58] <Jeeves_> iliv: It's your call. I just gave you a suggestion
[11:05] <iliv> Jeeves_, right
[14:40] <roaksoax> jamespage: howdy
[14:40] <jamespage> hey roaksoax
[14:40] <roaksoax> jamespage: so looking at the quantum-gateway charm
[14:40] <roaksoax> jamespage: we only need HA when using OVS then?
[14:41] <roaksoax> jamespage: or in all cases?
[14:41] <jamespage> roaksoax, hmm
[14:41] <jamespage> roaksoax, that charm may only be required when using the ovs plugin
[14:41] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, since I see that charm installs different packages for OVS and NVP
[14:41] <jamespage> roaksoax, however as I've not actually worked with any of the other plugins as yet
[14:42] <jamespage> I'm not 100% certain
[14:42] <yolanda> jamespage, zul, is the merge proposal i have pending for Quantum very urgent? quite busy today....
[14:42] <jamespage> roaksoax, that may be fud
[14:42] <roaksoax> jamespage: right, so: utils.install(*qutils.GATEWAY_PKGS[PLUGIN])
[14:42] <roaksoax> the OVS plugin is the one that install the l3-agent and dhcp-agent
[14:42] <zul> yolanda: nah
[14:43] <jamespage> roaksoax, yes; the nvp one is not populated because I simply don't know yet
[14:43] <jamespage> need to RTFM
[14:43] <yolanda> ok
[14:44] <roaksoax> jamespage: alright, my questions was based on the fact that in the ha-relation-joined we don't need to send cluster data if the plugin is not OVS
[14:45] <jamespage> roaksoax, right now - yes
[14:46] <roaksoax> jamespage: ack!
[14:53] <jamespage> Daviey,  * radosgw: openstack keystone integration
[14:53] <jamespage> made it into ceph 0.55
[14:54] <jamespage> 0.56 will be the next LTS
[15:35] <hallyn> kirkland: you have a kill-a-watt or somesuch right?  What do you measure as the difference in draw in a normal laptop when idle and doing a package upgrade?
[15:36] <hallyn> stgraber: I'm goign to push the two patches from yesterday (rsync -H) to staging, unless you have a comment?
[15:37] <stgraber> hallyn: I must admit I didn't really follow that thread but it looks like everyone agrees now? if so, fine :)
[15:37] <hallyn> k
[15:42] <zul> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-testsuite-fix/+merge/137652
[15:52] <hallyn> stgraber: have you used lxc.network.type = phys?  I'm a little surprised lxc hasn't been renaming the nic on shutdown all this time...
[15:55] <stgraber> hallyn: nope, never used it. I actually started working on adding network devices support to lxc-device yesterday, though for lxc-device, there's no way the name can be restored on container exit...
[15:58] <hallyn> ok, just testing to see if my naive lazy attempt at renaming works
[16:09] <stgraber> hallyn: I think that at some point I'll want the equivalent of lxc-device in the API so that lxc can do the right thing on shutdown (at least for network devices), but it's not really a priority
[16:09] <stgraber> hallyn: basically having some call to pass a new network device from the host to the container, renaming it in the process and adding it to the list of interfaces to rename back on shutdown
[16:12] <tgm4883> What is the best way to add iscsi storage to libvirt?
[16:12] <tgm4883> There doesn't seem to be any good docs on it and it fails in virt-manager
[16:21] <stgraber> hallyn: hey, so I've been looking at your patch for the loglevel stuff. Is it me misreading or are you always doing lxc_log_priority_to_string() on the value, even though config_loglevel supports both strings and digits?
[16:22] <hallyn> stgraber: i store an int in the conf
[16:22] <hallyn> config_loglevel, if i didn't mess up, shoudl store an int
[16:24] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, I see c->loglevel is an int and config_loglevel requires a char*
[16:25] <stgraber> ok, makes sense, I'll ack it :)
[16:25] <hallyn> stgraber: suppose i could store the const char* in config...
[16:25] <hallyn> thanks
[16:25]  * hallyn back to server mtg :)
[16:53] <ttx> smoser: http://www.cloudbase.it/cloud-init-for-windows-instances/
[16:53] <RoyK> oh, does ubuntu support asterisk these days - that's some task ;)
[16:53] <smoser> yeah, i just saw that.
[16:53] <smoser> apiolitti asked me if i'd accept windows patches.
[16:55] <RoyK> windows?
[16:55] <RoyK> oh, there's a windows version of * now, it seems
[16:56] <RoyK> must be wonderful
[16:56] <RoyK> mixing the spaghetti code of asterisk with windows - two negatives must make a positive, right? http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav
[17:16] <stgraber> hallyn: submitted the patch to allow shipping "legacy" scripts in lxc
[17:22] <hallyn> stgraber: cool
[17:23] <hallyn> stgraber: other than high prio/critical bugs, for now my plan is to push fixes to github and let the fix roll into raring with the next merge
[17:28] <stgraber> hallyn: that's what I've been doing for a while. Anyway, we should be getting alpha1 next week, so really not worth the effort of making patches for ubuntu
[17:46] <hallyn> stgraber: jinkeys, the error paths in lxc_spawn() are pretty messed up.
[18:37] <bjf> arosales, you asked about kernel tests using utah? the answer is no.
[18:40] <arosales> bjf: roger that. Thanks for the reply.
[18:40] <bjf> arosales, np
[18:40] <bjf> arosales, any particular reason for the question?
[18:41] <arosales> it was a follow on comment smb actually had at todays ubuntu-server IRC meeting.
[18:42] <arosales> sorr bjf^
[19:15] <streulma> hello, is there a ppa for PHP 5.3 Daily builds on Ubuntu?
[19:22] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm going to trigger a daily of lxc very soon, want your nic renaming patch in there?
[19:22] <stgraber> hallyn: I did a quick review and just posted a single question on the list about it
[19:22] <RoyK> isn't php 5.3 in upstream?
[19:29] <zul> hallyn: getting the new qemu to test now
[19:32] <zul> hallyn: :( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1410947/
[19:41] <tdelam> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu 12.04 LTS server on my server (go figure!) it's been running for a while now and it's merely a web proxy server, it drops connection sporadically ( every few days or weeks ), I can't figure out why. Can anyone recommend a few reasons or things to look for as to why this is happening?
[19:43] <sarnold> tdelam: anything in the proxy logs? anything in dmesg?
[19:44] <tdelam> sarnold: no, nothing out of the ordinary
[19:45] <tdelam> dmesg was the first place i looked
[19:45] <tdelam> typical stuff that happens on boot
[19:47] <sarnold> tdelam: are there a handful of long-lived connections that die? or dozens or hundreds or thousands of short-lived connections that die?
[19:53] <tdelam> sarnold: one long-lived one
[19:53] <sarnold> tdelam: is there a NAT firewall between the two peers?
[19:54] <tdelam> yes, cisco PIX, i've ruled that out being that hundreds would go down if it were that device.
[19:54] <tdelam> once the connection was dropped, I was able to SSH while local and test outgoing connections, those were the not responsive
[19:55] <sarnold> tdelam: how long is that connection idle when the connection dies? Many NAT firewalls impose an inactivity timeout, and it's often very short
[19:55] <sarnold> is it ever idle? sometimes idle? idles for two hours sometimes?
[19:55] <tdelam> sarnold: ms, it's a web proxy for an ISP site which has a lot of traffic.
[19:55] <tdelam> no, never
[19:55] <sarnold> damn. :D
[19:55] <sarnold> tdelam: any chance that pix has logs around the time the connection drops?
[19:55] <tdelam> ;) it' very weird.
[19:56] <hallyn> zul: what the heck?  those were supposed to conflict+replace
[19:56] <tdelam> sarnold: there could be, I haven't checked and to be honest that pix is managed by a 3rd party vendor oddly.
[19:56] <tdelam> i ruled out the pix considering the fact that all others would drop. I could get someone to login to check the logs though
[19:57] <sarnold> tdelam: hrm, thjat's an unfortunate complication, but one that makes a certain amount of sense. (I wouldn't want to manage a cisco machine, I don't have the first clue where to start with them. hehe.)
[19:57] <tdelam> its not fun
[19:57] <tdelam> if it were hardware dmesg would report it right?
[19:58] <hallyn> zul: guess i need to add some.  sorry about that.  trying another push
[19:58] <sarnold> tdelam: you could throw tcpdump on one or both peer and try logging the details of the connection .. maybe some simple grep filtering to knock out the most common packets, or some way to save only the most recent ten minutes or ten thousand packets or something. oof.
[19:58] <sarnold> tdelam: probably. check also the /var/log/mcelog -- if you've got the mcelog package installed and and MCE happened, it'll log verbose messages there...
[20:00] <tdelam> ok
[20:08] <zul> hallyn: otherwise looks ok
[20:09] <hallyn> zul: new version pushed (but i'm not convinced it's ok)
[20:09] <hallyn> zul: ok, thanks.  you just had qemu-kvm installed and did apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:09] <zul> right
 swear i did that...
[20:09] <hallyn> ok i'll test that once it builds, then if it's ok ask you to try one more time to make sur ei'm not doing something funky
[20:10] <hallyn> heck, might be easier to just port the source to 1.3 :)
[20:10] <hallyn> that'll fix the -z versioning crap too
[20:10] <hallyn> which btw i'm not sure how to handle when p ushign to the archive.  is there a precedent for that?
[20:17] <hallyn> stgraber: didn't say it in the email, but pushed the physical nic renaming change into staging with your comment fixed, thanks
[20:18] <stgraber> hallyn: was just about to ask you if you did :) good
[20:21] <lvmer> I've got a kind of annoying question... I'm about 3 weeks into ubuntu-server, & I'm struggling with a 'custom program' install. I'm trying to install & configure minidlna-transcode  alongside: minidlna, imagemagick, & ffmpeg.
[20:22] <lvmer> Information on 'minidlna-transcode' can be found here: https://bitbucket.org/stativ/minidlna-transcode    (for reference)
[20:39] <lvmer> is there an easy way to page down to your next search term in a 'man' file? or do I just /searchterm   then press f repeatedly to find the highlights myself?
[20:40] <sarnold> lvmer: 'n'
[20:40] <sarnold> lvmer: N will go backwards
[20:41] <sarnold> lvmer: ? will start searching backwards; in that case, n will keep going backwards and N will then go forwards
[20:42] <lvmer> sarnold: thank you again. :)  it worked perfectly. No more manual hunting xD
[20:42] <lvmer> do you have any advice on installing a custom program or compiling it? like minidlna-transcode? by chance? xD
[20:44] <sarnold> lvmer: normally, you follow the untar, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local ; make ; sudo make install   dance -- you lose the distro packaging, but most things support the autotools ./configure script
[21:06] <lvmer> yah he said it supports ./autogen.sh and ./configure & make & make install
[21:07] <lvmer> I've just never done it before so I'm a little hesitant on all of it
[21:08] <lvmer> I was afk, because I had a firewall protocol warning & had to fix it. xD
[22:00] <jamespage> adam_g, I think I've changed my mind about the network-manager config in the nova-compute charm
[22:01] <adam_g> jamespage: o rly? :)
[22:03] <adam_g> jamespage: you prefer to keep it set as a config option in both places?
[22:03] <jamespage> adam_g, I going to sleep on it and take another look tomorrow....
[22:03] <lvmer> sarnold: no such file:  ./configure
[22:03] <adam_g> jamespage: okay. also, did you say there was some discussion somewhere recently about kombu / rabbit HA wrt nova?
[22:24] <sarnold> lvmer: heh, not all programs supply a ./configure -- you should figure out how to modify the build scripts for your program to install it into a directory of your choosing, so you can install it into /usr/local or ~/local/miniwhatever...
[22:24] <lvmer> http://paste.kde.org/619832/
[22:25] <lvmer> sarnold: yah I'm running into an './autogen.sh' problem
[22:26] <lvmer> I had to install a bunch of packages: libtool autopoint autoconf automake
[22:26] <sarnold> that's too bad, quite often the software distributor will do that for you
[22:27] <lvmer> this is a fairly small package or w\e
[22:27] <lvmer> for dlna transcoding with 'minidlna' which happens to be one of the only working dlna's for my tv at the moment. :/
[22:27] <lvmer> What do you think I am missing?
[22:28] <lvmer> I have to install AM_ICONV && AM_GNU_GETTEXT ?
[22:29] <sarnold> lvmer: try installing libc6-dev
[22:29] <lvmer> already installed
[22:29] <lvmer> 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 remove 0 not upgraded
[23:02] <stgraber> hallyn: and a bunch more python changes for your review :) making lxc-device a lot more useful and allowing for non-root lxc-ls
[23:15] <hallyn> stgraber: cool.  one reviewed, other may have to wait.  good ngiht
[23:15] <stgraber> hallyn: ok, good night
[23:15] <hallyn> (cause the lxc-ls one looks complicated :)
[23:16] <stgraber> hallyn: it's actually much less complicated than the lxc-device one :)
[23:16] <lvmer> sarnold: still no luck xD  I emailed the creator. Can't find anything on 'm4_pattern_allow' in the configs. :/
[23:17] <stgraber> hallyn: just moving code around and changing the loop to only grab the object if absolutely needed
[23:20] <sarnold> lvmer: the solution will be easier than that; it'll proabably just be installing one or another package. I just don't know which one, nor do I know off-hand how to figure out what to install.
[23:22] <lvmer> sarnold: ah.. well I did try 'autotools-dev' && 'autogen'  but still no luck
[23:25] <sarnold> lvmer: is there no README with good details? :)
[23:25] <lvmer> no lol. I asked already :(
[23:25] <sarnold> be sure to contribute back a README with details on the pakages to install :) the next guy will thank you
[23:26] <lvmer> I am already making one
[23:26] <lvmer> sarnold: :)
[23:26] <sarnold> yay
[23:26] <lvmer> sarnold: actually lol I did find part of one brb... lmao
[23:45] <lvmer> sarnold: if I have a file:  new.txt    & it contains: sudo apt-get install libexif 12 libjpeg 62 libid3tag 0 libFLAC 8 libvorbis 0a libvorbisenc2 libsqlite3-0 libavformat53 libavformat-extra-53       how do I run said file?
[23:47] <sarnold> lvmer: with those spurious numbers in there your best bet is probably to just copy-and-paste the package names out by hand
[23:49] <lvmer> do I save the file as .sh?
[23:50] <sarnold> lvmer: mv new.txt new.sh
[23:51] <lvmer> yah that moves it
[23:51] <lvmer> how do I run the command inside though?
[23:53] <sarnold> lvmer: sh new.sh  or sh new.txt
[23:55] <lvmer> bash
[23:55] <lvmer> xD got it


[00:27] <a10wn> I wonder if anyone is actually chatting.
[02:46] <bjrohan> Anyone here use Cairo-Dock in 13.04 successfully? I just intalled and it is not as I would expect
[03:14] <bjrohan> How do I change a programs start-up option in Kubuntu? Add -i -l etc
[06:23] <cortexA9> hello
[06:23] <cseviciu> hi :)
[06:36] <claycorn3> hi
[06:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:56] <Genyar> testing
[06:56] <Genyar> Is anyone here?
[06:57] <Genyar> I wish to chat with a computer expert who knows Kubuntu 12.04
[06:57] <Genyar> I want to install Kubuntu 12.04 onto my PC
[06:58] <Genyar> How do I install Kubuntu 12.04 onto my PC?
[06:59] <lordievader> Hey Genyar
[06:59] <Genyar> Hi
[06:59] <Genyar> Who knows how to install Kubuntu 12.04?
[07:00] <Genyar> Ok, I'll try a different room...
[07:01] <lordievader> Genyar: Let's see if I can find something for you.
[07:01] <lordievader> Genyar: Why specifically 12.04 actually?
[07:01] <Genyar> I want it
[07:01] <Genyar> It's the latest stable release
[07:01] <Genyar> and I have it on a CD
[07:02] <Genyar> I also have the Gnome Partition Editor on a CD now, too
[07:02] <lordievader> Genyar: It's the latest LTS, latest stable is 13.04. Anyhow watch this video, installing Kubuntu is really easy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pLzPGMNwrs
[07:03] <Genyar> I already saw that video
[07:03] <Genyar> But the installation from that video did not work
[07:03] <lordievader> Did not work in what way?
[07:03] <Genyar> I have tried installing it about 40 or 50 times, each time I had different problems
[07:04] <Genyar> Most of the problems were related to the root drive
[07:05] <Genyar> the one thing that happned the most was when I was preparing partitions
[07:05] <lordievader> Genyar: If you have no other operating systems on there you can simply use "Guided use entire disk", that option should work.
[07:05] <Genyar> I don't think that worked
[07:05] <Genyar> Yeah, I'm certain it didn't work, I tried that about a dozen times
[07:06] <Genyar> there are no errors on the drive
[07:06] <Genyar> But when I did "Prepare Partitions", it kept saying, "No root file system defined"
[07:07] <Genyar> I think there used to be about four partitions, one of which probably had Windows on it
[07:07] <Genyar> But I used various programs to delete the entire disk and delete and format all the partitions
[07:07] <Genyar> but none o fthem really worked
[07:08] <lordievader> Genyar: Have you verified that the disk works?
[07:08] <Genyar> At one point, I used Windows, which only recognized 120 GB of the 500 GB drive
[07:08] <Genyar> I ended up installing Windows onto the 120 GB partition
[07:08] <Genyar> Windows XP
[07:09] <Genyar> Windows never recognized the rest of the hard drive
[07:09] <Genyar> But something weird happened recently when I was using Nero Back It Up
[07:09] <Genyar> Nero Back it up 4
[07:09] <lordievader> Genyar: Is it an IDE drive?
[07:09] <Genyar> yes
[07:10] <Genyar> the system drive disappeared
[07:10] <Genyar> Windows disappeared
[07:10] <Genyar> and the full 500 GB suddently came back
[07:10] <Genyar> so now Windows recognizes the whole 500 GB hard drive
[07:10] <Genyar> I tried installing 12.04 again, but no luck
[07:11] <lordievader> Sounds like a jumper that is setup wrong. They sometimes limit the capacity of a drive.
[07:12] <Genyar> so, now I"m thinking of using a Partition program like fdisk or GParted to wipe the whole drive and create new partitions, so I can install Kubuntu 12.04
[07:12] <lordievader> But drives doing things like this doesn't sound like a thrustworthy drive, I'd first make sure it is in working condition.
[07:12] <Genyar> I tested the drive
[07:13] <Genyar> It looks good, but it has over 2,000 file errors on it
[07:14] <Genyar> My brother setup this PC as a dual boot system, he's a computer programmer and consultant with like over 20 years of experience
[07:14] <lordievader> 2000 file errors is not good.
[07:14] <lordievader> 2000 file errors is very bad.
[07:14] <Genyar> He told me he used GParted to partition the hard drive
[07:15] <Genyar> you mean I need a new hard drive?
[07:15] <Genyar> Damn it man, it was working pretty well when a professor upgraded it to 12.04, but I wanted a clean install
[07:16] <Genyar> I never should have formatted it
[07:17] <Genyar> the only thing that wasn't working was the KDE wallet and there were some minor problems with java and Yahoo Messenger
[07:18] <lordievader> Check the disk, or let your brother check the disk. But yes from the things I hear, this drive is near the end of it's health.
[07:18] <Genyar> damn
[07:18] <Genyar> But I found no sector errors
[07:18] <Genyar> that would explain why Windows disappeared form the system drive
[07:19] <Genyar> there must be sth wrong with the hard drive
[07:21] <Genyar> I have another PC with Windows installed on it, and it has a whole bunch of IDE drives with a lot of memory
[07:21] <Genyar> I was thinking of taking one of those drives and putting it into my Linux PC
[07:22] <Genyar> Or even better, getting rid of Windows and installing Kubuntu onto that PC, because it has a better video card
[07:22] <Genyar> But that would require a lot of work
[07:23] <Genyar> I think it would be easier to just get another IDE drive, and replace the current one, and then install Kubuntu in it
[07:25] <lordievader> Genyar: What about a sata drive, no worries about jumpers :)
[07:25] <Genyar> I'm thinking that Kubuntu can handle a shitty drive better than Windows.  I could be that the errors were on the Windows partition, and that's why Kubuntu was working so well, before I fomatted the hard disk
[07:25] <ikonia> Genyar: control the langauge please.
[07:25] <Genyar> sorry
[07:25] <ikonia> Genyar: linux will not deal with a "bad" drive any better/worse than windows
[07:26] <Genyar> I think the PC is too old to handle a SATA drive, but I don't know
[07:27] <Genyar> It has an AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3200+
[07:27] <ikonia> the processor has nothing to do with the hard disk
[07:27] <Genyar> The processor speed is 2.0 Ghz
[07:27] <ikonia> the processor has nothing to do with the hard disk
[07:28] <Genyar> Well, it has an IDE Bus
[07:28] <ikonia> that is important to the disk
[07:28] <Genyar> and it has only 1.41 GiB of RAM
[07:29] <Genyar> Yeah, so I need an IDE drive
[07:29] <Genyar> Do those Egg people sell IDE drives?
[07:30] <ikonia> Genyar: open the website and have a look
[07:30] <Genyar> newegg.ca?
[07:30] <ikonia> open google and search for the site you want
[07:30] <Genyar> this is horrible, I already bought two new hard drives
[07:31] <Genyar> I can't afford to buy any more hard drives
[07:31] <ikonia> we can't help that
[07:31] <Genyar> I will have to take them out of my Fangorn PC
[07:32] <Genyar> Do they still make IDE drives?
[07:33] <ikonia> Genyar: no
[07:33] <Genyar> when did they stop making them?
[07:34] <Genyar> But I"m guessing if I buy an IDE drive online, then it will be new and unused, right?
[07:36] <Genyar> Well, if the hard drive is toast, repartitioning it with Gparted is not going to hurt anything, even if it doesn't work
[07:37] <Genyar> Right?
[07:37] <Genyar> I might as well try it, and see what happens
[07:37] <Genyar> If it doesn't work, at least I tried, and I can go looking for a new IDE drive
[07:40] <Genyar> But once I get a new hard drive, if I use the Kubuntu 12.04 installation CD, will Kubuntu automatically create its own partitions, or do I need to partition the hard drive myself, before I install Kubuntu 12.04?
[07:41] <ikonia> Genyar: kubuntu's installer has the option to partition for you, or allow you to do it manually
[07:41] <lordievader> Genyar: If you use the option Guided use entire disk it makes it's own.
[07:41] <Genyar> How many partitions would it create automatically, and how big would they be?
[07:44] <lordievader> Genyar: It creates two, one root (/) and one swap.
[07:45] <Genyar> I"m thinking I should format the current fracked up drive with GParted, then try installing 12.04, even though it probably won't work, for two reasons...
[07:45] <Genyar> 1. To see what happens
[07:45] <Genyar> 2. To practice before the real install with my new drive
[07:46] <Genyar> the practice would expose me to how the partitioning works
[07:46] <Genyar> I don't know how to get to the option called "Guided"
[07:47] <Genyar> But "Use the entire disk" is somewhat familar to me, but I"m not sure how to get there during the installation process
[07:53] <Genyar> Goodbye
[08:45] <memphisto> Hi
[08:45] <memphisto> need help with Kubuntu setting up system wide proxy
[08:46] <memphisto> it seems its not working in KDE system settigns
[08:49] <RamchandraApte> memphisto: I've setup a proxy, just select manual proxy config, then enter the addresses
[08:50] <RamchandraApte> [specifically tor, not for anonymity/security, but for accessing a website which is for some reason not accessible from my computer]
[08:55] <memphisto> @RamchandraApte: i want to do it from system settings. and im wondering why isn't working.
[08:55] <memphisto> dont' want to do it via cli everytime
[08:55] <RamchandraApte> go to proxy settings
[08:55] <memphisto> it should recongine it by it self
[08:56] <RamchandraApte> it's simple, go to system settings -> proxy settings -> manual
[08:56] <RamchandraApte> (alt f2 and type proxy)
[08:56] <memphisto> i know how to get to it, problem is its not working
[08:56] <memphisto> it doesnt setup
[08:56] <RamchandraApte> which proxy server are you using?
[08:56] <memphisto> i'm kde 4.8.5
[08:57] <memphisto> i'm in corporate network
[08:57] <memphisto> which uses some proxy
[08:57] <memphisto> when i'm in ubuntu - unity i can setup via gui
[08:57] <memphisto> when i'm in kde it refuses to do so
[08:57] <RamchandraApte> is it VPN?
[08:58] <memphisto> it probably uses L3VPN
[08:58] <RamchandraApte> oh, then I was giving you wrong instructions
[08:58] <RamchandraApte> go to network management -> hold the add button and go to the VPN option
[08:58] <RamchandraApte> *network settings in system settings
[08:59] <RamchandraApte> in that, go to the VPN tab and press add
[08:59] <RamchandraApte> memphisto: ☝
[08:59] <memphisto> and i can chose from some list
[09:00] <memphisto> but don't know what to choose
[09:00] <RamchandraApte> is there any config file?
[09:01] <RamchandraApte> what's the extension of the config file for VPN, if any is being provided by your company?
[09:02] <memphisto> nothing special , it looks like regular proxy
[09:02] <memphisto> now i can't tell you the lines itself
[09:02] <memphisto> but its http://proxyserver:8080
[09:02] <memphisto> and it works if you use it in CLI
[09:03] <memphisto> or in Unity - gnome
[09:03] <memphisto> why its not working in KDE i don't know
[09:06] <RamchandraApte> if it's proxyserver:8080, then go to proxy settings in system settings, then select "use manually specified proxy config"
[09:07] <memphisto> easy as it seems; in KDE that's not working
[09:07] <RamchandraApte> and then type proxyserver in the address and 8080 in the port [like that]
[09:07] <RamchandraApte> what is your proxy config?
[09:07] <RamchandraApte> you have selected manual config and set the addresses right?
[09:07] <memphisto> yes
[09:09] <RamchandraApte> hmm.. kde doesn't use the proxy settings or pages don't load at all?
[09:10] <RamchandraApte> if it's a VPN, go to network manager and go to the vpn tab
[09:10] <memphisto> it seems that kde isn't using
[09:11] <memphisto> no, but our line to outside world is through MPLS
[09:14] <RamchandraApte> what did you do in ubuntu to make it work?
[09:16] <memphisto> just put it like manual setting like proxy_server:port
[09:16] <memphisto> and it works
[09:16] <memphisto> apt works
[09:16] <memphisto> and i can go on net
[09:16] <memphisto> in KDE these doesn't seem to be working
[09:43] <memphisto> thanks for helping; have to go now work :) will  come back later
[09:58] <mysticalzero> You guys know how plasma displays notification popups right? Recently, I'm no longer getting this. Instead, the ubuntu-styled notification osd is displayed whenever I got a new mail for instance. I'm trying hard to diagnose this problem. I wanted the kde-styled notifications back. Anyone got any suggestions on what went wrong?
[09:59] <mysticalzero> I should have mentioned that the kdialog command isn't displaying any notifications at all.
[10:07] <amitej> #rails
[10:13] <soee> what would be the best app to create presentation and than export it to PDF for example ?
[10:20] <Riddell> soee: calligra present, libreoffice, google docs presentation or latex
[10:22] <soee> Riddell, thank you
[10:22] <RamchandraApte> personally I like google drive because it's simple, but you may want to do complicated things
[10:22] <RamchandraApte> mysticalzero: hmm.. I had that problem once
[10:23] <RamchandraApte> [previous install, where I had both kde and unity]
[10:32] <jussi> soee: there are some nice latex presentation templates about.
[10:33] <soee> jussi, will check that to, thanks
[10:34] <jussi> soee: Lyx is a nice tool for latex manipulation ;)
[10:40] <ElTimo> I'm having trouble installing Kubuntu on an EFI system. I keep getting an error along the lines of 'grub-efi failed to install to /target.' I had gotten regular Ubuntu working, but tried arch and screwed everything up.
[11:06] <kemm> hello
[11:06] <kemm> what's the difference between the two proprietary AMD drivers?
[11:06] <kemm> There is no difference in their descriptions
[11:10] <Taggnostr> hello
[11:11] <kemm> lordievader: are you here?
[11:12] <Taggnostr> some of the applications started using a different language instead of using English
[11:12] <Taggnostr> from the "locale" settings everything looks fine, and the use of different languages seem inconsistent
[11:13] <Taggnostr> for example konsole or dolphin have english menus, but gimp doesn't, and if I use Mercurial from konsole it's in a different language
[11:13] <Taggnostr> how can I fix this?
[11:14] <Taggnostr> in "settings -> country/region & language -> languages" I have 3 preferred languages, with English at the top
[11:14] <Taggnostr> I tried to move them around and restart but that didn't help
[11:24] <Taggnostr> I'll try to restart again
[11:26] <Taggnostr> now gimp it's in yet another language, and everything else seems in english (including mercurial)
[11:30] <Taggnostr> apparently when I added more languages under "preferred languages" things got messed up, and now that I removed everything is ok and it also kept the dictionaries so I can use the spell check for other languages too
[11:47] <set_> Hi I installed Kubuntu 13.10  and i install bumblebe and i need to now how many fps i have. I was try glxspheres but command not found
[11:47] <set_> How i can install glxspheres?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:12] <ignacio__> salut a touds
[14:21] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[14:25] <BluesKaj> !steam
[14:37] <EvilRoey> hello all
[14:37] <EvilRoey> what does it mean when I press right-click to bring up a context menu, and I get just a dark panel
[14:37] <EvilRoey> or when I launch a Konsole, and all I get is a dark panel
[14:37] <EvilRoey> or when I hit alt-` to bring up yakuake, and I don't see any panel at all
[14:37] <EvilRoey> ?
[14:37] <EvilRoey> how can I figure out if this is bad RAM
[14:55] <EvilRoey> morning BluesKaj
[15:01] <genii> Sounds more like a refresh issue with your graphics driver
[15:57] <veryhappy> hi guys, since today flash in youtube doesn't work for me anymore, i've already tried dpkg-reconfigure flashplugin-installer but nothing. any suggestions?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> vey which browser
[16:01] <BluesKaj> veryhappy,^
[16:02] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:04] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  <EvilRoey> hello all
 what does it mean when I press right-click to bring up a context menu, and I get just a dark panel
 or when I launch a Konsole, and all I get is a dark panel
[16:04] <EvilRoey> <-- GSport has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 or when I hit alt-` to bring up yakuake, and I don't see any panel at all
 ?
[16:04] <FloodBotK1> EvilRoey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:04] <EvilRoey> bah
[16:05] <BluesKaj> use f12 for yakuake
[16:05] <veryhappy> BluesKaj: dumb suggestions will be ignored
[16:09] <genii> EvilRoey: Might help to know video card and the driver you're using for it
[16:10] <EvilRoey> don't laugh
[16:11] <EvilRoey> nvidia 8800
[16:11] <EvilRoey> genii:  using the latest nvidia driver from kubuntu Raring
[16:11] <EvilRoey> commercial driver
[16:11] <EvilRoey> genii:  ^
 use f12 for yakuake  <-- Yeah so I've re-mapped it to alt-` because it's such an easy combination
[16:12] <BluesKaj> veryhappy, then have fun , if you won't tell us which browser
[16:12] <BluesKaj> F12 works well
[16:12] <genii> EvilRoey: If you turn off screen effects with alt-shift-f12   does it still do it?
[16:13] <veryhappy> BluesKaj: i can tell you which browser but it's rather about your dumb suggestion apt-get install flashplugin-installer, because i already have it, in the future read twice. i gotta go now, i'll come back later. have fun
[16:13] <EvilRoey> genii:  oh hey!
[16:13] <EvilRoey> genii:  I disabled Screen Effects with alt-shrit-f12
[16:13] <EvilRoey> genii:  and now I see menus!
[16:14] <BluesKaj> good riddance
[16:14] <EvilRoey> yeah I was concerned it was bad 12GB of ram
[16:14] <EvilRoey> er
[16:14] <genii> EvilRoey: Looks like an issue with the nvidia compositing then
[16:14] <EvilRoey> 24GB
[16:14] <EvilRoey> genii:  it's fine for a day
[16:14] <EvilRoey> and then starts getting artifact-y.
[16:14] <EvilRoey> so now I'm thinking that it must have been some memory leak in the driver
[16:15] <EvilRoey> *must be
[16:15] <EvilRoey> rather
[16:16] <EvilRoey> genii:  how do I get Desktop Effects back?   Apologies on lag, trying to eat lunch.....
[16:29] <EvilRoey> genii:  I tried re-start it but nothing happens
[16:31] <ss_haze> someone tell the guys who make updates for kubuntu-backports, to not overwrite lightdm.conf with kdm-greeter
[16:32] <EvilRoey> genii, BluesKaj: can I issue killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop to re-initialize the Desktop Effects?
[16:32] <EvilRoey> genii, BluesKaj: will that terminate my KDE session?
[16:32] <EvilRoey> I recall being able to do that before
[16:32] <ss_haze> it's anoying + makes the user (me), delete lightdm-kdm-greeter, and cause errors on startup, that for normal user would mean dead end
[16:33] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, dunno
[16:33] <BluesKaj> killall is a drastic command , so most likely ir will
[16:35] <EvilRoey> k
[16:35] <EvilRoey> well the question becomes, what does plasma-desktop spawn such that killing -9 plasma-desktop will end up killing those clients as well
[16:37] <ss_haze> btw kde crashes when you try to download new widget
[16:37] <ss_haze> 4.11
[16:42] <genii> EvilRoey: I'm pretty sure you don't need to restart plasma. We currently know: A) your menus are  blank with standard screen effects enabled ( so if you reboot or restart plasma or re-enable effects by either alt-shift-f12or through system settings it will revert back to that behaviour)  B) if you disable effects the menus work.       So... the idea would be then to find what part of the nvidia compositing is failing.
[16:42] <EvilRoey> genii:  ok
[16:42] <genii> ( and then probably either make appropriate xorg.conf entries to fix it that way, or revert to an earlier driver where the compositing DOES work)
[16:42] <EvilRoey> how do I dig deeper into that then?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> no idea , i don't muck about with desktop shortcuts on the KB
[16:44] <genii> EvilRoey: Perhaps pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log  ... also if there exists in your home directory a file called .xsession-errors    to pastebin that as well
[16:45] <genii> AFK a bit, more food to finish eating before lunch ends
[16:46] <EvilRoey> ok, thanks genii
[16:50] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj, genii:  Also it appears that the Flash plugin for Firefox has crashed and won't come back, doesn't matter if I exit Fx and restart it
[16:50] <EvilRoey> works in Chromium-browser though
[16:56] <genii> EvilRoey: Chromium browser has it's own flash compiled in
[16:57] <EvilRoey> genii:  right, I recalled that
[16:59] <genii> EvilRoey: You could do: ps x | grep flash      ...then look for an entry with libflashplayer.so in it, then kill the process by it's pid (the first number in the line from ps )
[17:00] <EvilRoey> ahaaaa
[17:00] <EvilRoey> right.
[17:01] <EvilRoey> genii:  http://pastebin.com/SsQTgTfT
[17:02] <genii> EvilRoey: So in this case 15253
[17:02] <EvilRoey> one moment then
[17:04] <EvilRoey> genii:  ok I tried that, then re-started Firefox, yet I still see this error (Even though I do not have Flash running as a background process)
[17:05] <genii> EvilRoey: The error of blank menus , or the error of flash crashed in firefox?
[17:10] <EvilRoey> genii:  I assume they are related, but I meant specifically for the Firefox one
[17:16] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:56] <moparisthebest> KDE saves my display configuration somehow so if I adjust xorg.conf differently, KDM shows up correctly following xorg.conf, but when I log in KDE applies other settings ignoring xorg.conf
[17:56] <moparisthebest> how can I stop KDE from messing with my display settings all together?
[17:57] <moparisthebest> (I know it's KDE doing it, because if I `mv .kde .kde-outoftheway` and log back in, my display settings aren't changed and it follows whats in xorg.conf
[17:58] <genii> moparisthebest: It's possible you are restoring a session in which the resolution was something different
[17:58] <moparisthebest> that sounds right, I do like it keeping a record of what I had open and such, but i'd prefer it not mess with my resolution, any way to avoid that?
[17:58] <moparisthebest> if its all or nothing i'd rather never resume a session then
[18:01] <genii> moparisthebest: Maybe set it how you like , including correct resolution and whatever apps open you prefer, then manually save session
[18:02] <moparisthebest> that's the problem, it's a laptop, i have a dock at home and one at work, and sometimes i use it without a dock
[18:03] <moparisthebest> thats 3 different monitor setups, and so without moving .kde out of the way and losing EVERYTHING, my screen is blank after i log in
[18:07] <moparisthebest> how do KDE sessions work? can I have multiple of them that I can choose from on login or something?
[18:17] <yofel> moparisthebest: what kubuntu version? Since 13.04 we use kscreen which saves the session dependent on attached monitors
[18:17] <yofel> somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/kscreen/
[18:20] <moparisthebest> oh, that sounds nice, I was going to script it if I could stop KDE from managing it for me without my consent
[18:20] <moparisthebest> unfortunatly i'm still on 12.04 LTS
[18:20] <moparisthebest> i need it to be super-stable :/
[18:27] <yofel> moparisthebest: hm, the older application is krandr which has ~/.kde/share/config/krandrrc
[18:27] <yofel> and some startup stuff in /usr/bin/startkde
[18:29] <roberth1990> anyone user here who have a mpv deb package wih statically linked ffmpeg and libass? compiled on 13.04?
[18:31] <moparisthebest> $ cat .kde/share/config/krandrrc
[18:31] <moparisthebest> [Display]
[18:31] <moparisthebest> ApplyOnStartup=true
[18:31] <moparisthebest> hmm, looks like a good candidate to change to 'false', thanks for the pointer yofel
[19:19] <bjrohan> Firefox is giving me issues with some websites. I am not sure why. ReKonq, Chromium are fine. Here is a shot of a Google results page: http://snag.gy/6E2VZ.jpg
[19:19] <bjrohan> Would appear to be a font issue but not sure what
[19:22] <x05h> Anyone know of a way to force KDE's display settings to not extend the desktop but to mirror or clone? It seems like each TV I connect my KDE box up to by default extends rather than mirrors :(
[19:28] <DarthFrog> x05h:  That should be configurable in SystemSettings.
[19:29] <roberth1990> anyone else here getting just into busybox when trying to boot 13.10 beta 1 install media in uefi?
[19:39] <x05h> DarthFrog: Yeah, but it's like it sets up a profile for each TV, so every new TV I connect it to I have to go in and configure it.
[19:42] <DarthFrog> x05h:  Perhaps put it in as a feature request to the KDE boys?
[20:15] <x05h> DarthFrog: Thanks for your help
[20:16] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[20:24] <drox_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094134/ what's the problem?
[20:25] <drox_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094162/ and this. I to do configuration raid
[20:27] <drox_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094174/
[20:28] <drox_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6094182/
[22:21] <TsarObomba> libtaskmanager4abi4 : Depends: libprocesscore4abi1 (= 4:4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1) but 4:4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1 is to be installed
[22:22] <TsarObomba> Any way to fix?
[22:22] <TsarObomba> I realize I am using the kubuntu ppas, but i would think having a very minor version newer wouldnt pose an issue
[22:22] <TsarObomba> its for a plasma widget
[22:22] <TsarObomba> Im trying to use a wildcard * to install all plasma widgets
[22:23] <TsarObomba> I do have a couple kde bits from 13.10 but those arent the problkem and that was for something else
[22:26] <genii> TsarObomba: Find the libtaskmanager4abi4 deb file in the /var/cahe/apt/archives directory, then do dpkg -i --force-depends      on it
[22:26] <genii> With sudo, of course.
[22:27] <yofel> that plasma widget needs to be rebuilt against the new libtaskmanager, what's the package name?
[22:29] <TsarObomba> genii: k
[22:29] <genii> TsarObomba: Also perhaps let yofel know what the widget name it's trying to install at the time is as well
[22:30] <TsarObomba> shouldnt matter, same pkg of pastebinoit
[22:30] <TsarObomba> woops
[22:30] <TsarObomba> wrong channel
[22:50] <TsarObomba> dang genii quit
[22:51] <TsarObomba> yofel: you want it
[22:51] <TsarObomba> plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks
[22:51] <yofel> ah ok, that one.
[22:51] <TsarObomba> I forced installed the libtaskmanager thingy
[22:51] <TsarObomba> but i get this now
[22:51] <TsarObomba> plasma-widget-smooth-tasks : Depends: libtaskmanager4abi4 (>= 4:4.10.90) but it is not going to be installed
[22:51] <yofel> thank, I'll make sure it gets rebuilt
[22:51] <yofel> *thanks
[22:51] <TsarObomba> yofel: how soon?
[22:51] <yofel> will take a few hours
[22:51] <TsarObomba> do you use a hudson type system for rebuilding?
[22:52] <TsarObomba> (rebuilds android devices that way)
[22:52] <TsarObomba> not sure how package managers do it
[22:52] <TsarObomba> if you showed me how, i could rebuild it now
[22:52] <TsarObomba> I have a VERY powerful buildbox
[22:52] <yofel> well, the launchpad archive does work kinda like a CI, you upload a package and it builds and publishes it
[22:53] <yofel> you don't have access to the PPA though ;)
[22:53] <TsarObomba> FX8350 8 core, 32GB ddr3, with 5.2TB raid0 and two 256GB ssd's for my building
[22:53] <TsarObomba> that sucks
[22:53] <yofel> + launchpad doesn't accept binary uploads
[22:53] <TsarObomba> right
[22:53] <TsarObomba> but couldnt i grab the spource
[22:53] <TsarObomba> and rebuild it myself?
[22:53] <yofel> sure, like:
[22:54] <TsarObomba> i have all the normal, build tools
[22:54] <yofel> apt-get source plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks
[22:54] <yofel> apt-get build-dep plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks
[22:54] <TsarObomba> for building l,ots android stufff, etc
[22:54] <TsarObomba> ooh, ok
[22:54] <yofel> cd plasma-widgets-smooth-tasks-*
[22:54] <TsarObomba> i never used those fancy tools
[22:54] <yofel> dpkg-buildpackage
[22:54] <TsarObomba> in all these years
[22:54] <TsarObomba> ok
[22:54] <TsarObomba> that will output a pkg?
[22:54] <yofel> and you'll have a new .deb
[22:54] <TsarObomba> yofel: how can i set a -jX?
[22:55] <TsarObomba> cause im ghonna use the buildbox
[22:55] <yofel> dpkg-buildpackage -jX
[22:55] <TsarObomba> thx
[22:55] <yofel> you should run that on the system that has the PPA enabled, otherwise you'll need a chroot
[22:55] <TsarObomba> ummmm
[22:55] <TsarObomba> i can enable it on both
[22:55] <TsarObomba> they both are kubuntu
[22:55] <TsarObomba> and both could use it
[22:56] <TsarObomba> yofel: you know what someone needs to do
[22:56] <TsarObomba> overhaulk how ppas and launchpad work with apt-get update
[22:56] <TsarObomba> I download over 90MB of crap from apt-get update and tons of hits to launchpad, cause of all my ppas
[22:56] <TsarObomba> ppas should be all in one hit somehow to launchpad
[22:56] <TsarObomba> get it?
[22:58] <yofel> that would be a bit of a problem really. If you put all packages into the same list, you can't have different set of packages with different dependencies
[22:58] <yofel> the launchpad archives are so small that apt doesn't cause much traffic really
[22:59] <TsarObomba> eh, i guess
[22:59] <TsarObomba> it jiust takes awhile to update local repo list
[22:59] <TsarObomba> i could envision a better setup
[22:59] <TsarObomba> one where the launchpad server handles it
[23:00] <TsarObomba> and gives you the updates in one hit
[23:00] <TsarObomba> yofel: any chance you have ran any 3.10 kernels?
[23:01] <TsarObomba> ive noticed a problem with them (two different makes, zen kernel and -pf) on two different machines and one machine two different distros
[23:01] <yofel> what do you mean with one hit? launchpad can't really know which archives you have enabled, and generating the list on the fly would be slower than just downloading several few kb lists
[23:01]  * yofel only has a 3.11 kernel running on the devel release
[23:01] <TsarObomba> so it doesnt have to hit launchpad looking for an update 20 times
[23:01] <TsarObomba> oim talking 3.10
[23:01] <TsarObomba> not 3.11 yet
[23:01] <yofel> nope, not anymore
[23:01] <TsarObomba> did you ever get false boots?
[23:01] <TsarObomba> like it hangs on boot?
[23:02] <TsarObomba> its happening on both machines, different patchsets, 3 different distros
[23:02] <TsarObomba> kubuntu, kubuntu, and arch
[23:02] <yofel> no, not really, 3.10 worked rather well here, but I was using standard -generic
[23:02] <TsarObomba> very odd
[23:02] <TsarObomba> hmm
[23:02] <TsarObomba> wonder how i could diagnose, not that i care i never reboot
[23:03] <dougiel> oops
[23:04] <TsarObomba> man im really like caligra
[23:04] <TsarObomba> i will use it over libreoffice for everything almost
[23:04] <TsarObomba> unless i come across MS formatteed crap it wont handle
[23:04] <TsarObomba> til then, caligra all day
[23:05] <TsarObomba> yofel: hehe, my buildbox update repos quick, 105Mbps
[23:06] <TsarObomba> openssh is on what, v6 or 7?
[23:07] <TsarObomba> im looking at integrating something they added in v4 to try and speed up my sessions to my buildbox cause somewthimes i get latency delays
[23:07] <yofel> 6.1 in 13.04, 6.2 in dev
[23:07] <TsarObomba> k
[23:07] <TsarObomba> dev  you mean 13.10?
[23:07] <yofel> yep
[23:07] <TsarObomba> k
[23:07] <TsarObomba> that should be a nice mess of bugs for ubuntu
[23:08] <TsarObomba> when it hits
[23:08] <TsarObomba> heh
[23:08] <TsarObomba> i tend to stay out of that channel during releases
[23:54] <TsarObomba> yofel: Verification finished successfully. file=/var/cache/apt/archives/apt-fast/libkworkspace4abi2_4.11.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[23:54] <TsarObomba> would that mean your build finished?
[23:54] <TsarObomba> i thought it was abi4...
[23:54] <TsarObomba> i use apt-fast, hence the weirdness of the paste
[23:56] <yofel> wrong package, not libkworkspace but libtaskmanager, let me check my build is doing
[23:57] <yofel> stuck in the queue
[23:57] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+sourcepub/3480446/+listing-archive-extra


[02:44] <jjesse> anyone here how could help point someone out to getting edubuntu promo material and information?
[04:29] <j1mc> can anyone help with this? http://pastebin.ca/798954
[04:30] <j1mc> why does it show no revisions to push when i have updated files?
[04:30] <somerville32> What is it j1mc ?
[04:30] <somerville32> Oh
[04:30] <somerville32> Did you commit them?
[04:30] <somerville32> bzr commit
[04:30] <j1mc> will do, thanks.
[15:22] <quadrispro> Hi
[15:24] <sommer> hello
[15:28] <quadrispro> I'm a Ubuntu Italian Loco member, I've just subscribed the Doc team ML, I hope to give an help when it will needed
[15:30] <sommer> cool thanks quadrispro
[15:31] <quadrispro> :) nothing, it's a pleasure
[15:32] <sommer> quadrispro: if you haven't already this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[15:32] <sommer> has information on contributing to the docs
[15:36] <quadrispro> Ok thank you very much! During this period I'm working to italian translation of xubuntu-docs, I'll read it soon... ;)
[17:12] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: ping
[21:20] <sommer> jjesse: hello
[21:22] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: pong
[21:22] <Admiral_Chicago> whats up
[21:22] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: dude, I loved your blog post
[21:23] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: I've done a little research on LB films
[21:23] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks
[21:23] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: the department loves it, they basically save the time it took to write in one running
[21:23] <Admiral_Chicago> is it a chem tool or biochem too LaserJock?
[21:24] <LaserJock> not quite sure, probably both
[21:24] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[21:25] <LaserJock> I come from the chem side
[21:25] <LaserJock> but I can imagine biochemists using them
[21:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i come from the physics side :)
[21:25] <Admiral_Chicago> we just know how to code
[21:25] <LaserJock> heh
[21:25] <LaserJock> well, I am a physical chemist
[21:26] <LaserJock> so I live a little on the physicsy side of life
[21:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i've never taking a college level chem course. my friend who wrote it did o chem, p chem, analyt
[21:27] <Admiral_Chicago> the whole spectrum
[21:27] <Admiral_Chicago> he is a biochem double major though
[21:27] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: the next step is to make a GUI front end I think
[21:27] <Admiral_Chicago> just for loading file, setting molarity, error etc
[21:28] <Admiral_Chicago> in the long run create ideal mixing formulas and that sort of thing
[21:28] <LaserJock> sounds like a great addition to the FLOSS chemistry landscape ;-)
[21:28] <LaserJock> I'd love to put together a uni-level chemistry software suite
[21:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i did  a search in the packages and there doesn't seem to be software like this
[21:30] <Admiral_Chicago> which is suprising to me. i know the LB trough interacts with some software to put out data but I think its all propietary
[21:31] <sommer> hey all, I'm going to work on consolidating the Samba docs in the help wiki and noticed a lot of duplicate content
[21:31] <sommer> I was just wondering what the best approach would be?
[21:31] <sommer> is it better to have Samba, SambaPDC or Samba, Samba/PDC for example
[21:32] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: yeah, usually the instrument manufactures write some expensive software
[21:32] <Admiral_Chicago> in h.u.c or w.u.c?
[21:32] <sommer> Admiral_Chicago: h.u.c
[21:32] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: my advisor says if you want to do a little work and get paid a lot, you should make lab equiptment
[21:32] <sommer> the effort is part of the Server Team Roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap?action=show#head-965290e80f25ebeb8334a7915d61ac7831577bde
[21:32] <Admiral_Chicago> sommer: got a link?
[21:33] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: very true
[21:33] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: we have NMR stuff here in our department that's crazy
[21:33] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: it's Java but only runs on RHEL
[21:33] <LaserJock> and you've gotta pay through the nose for it
[21:34] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see what you mean. sommer, i personally would see whats duplicate and consolidate from the smaller one into the more indepth one
[21:34] <Admiral_Chicago> NMR?
[21:34] <LaserJock> Nuclear Magnetic Resonance
[21:34] <LaserJock> an MRI for scientists ;-)
[21:35] <sommer> Admiral_Chicago: thanks I'll start there
[21:35] <Admiral_Chicago> just checking
[21:35] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm actually taking Nuclear Physics next semester...looking forward to that
[21:37] <jjesse> hiya Admiral_Chicago
[21:37] <jjesse> is it bad if you have a big hole in your front yard? http://www.flickr.com/photos/j0217995/2068792617/in/set-72157603315165637/
[21:38] <Admiral_Chicago> hey jjesse
[21:38] <Admiral_Chicago> not traveling this week
[21:39] <jjesse> nope not traveling, was supposed but didn't happen
[21:40] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[21:40] <Admiral_Chicago> well i
[21:40] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm off to the store...bbiab
[21:41] <Admiral_Chicago> LaserJock: FYI, i'm looking into PyGlade / Glade for developing a GUI. I'll let you know if I push anything...or  just checkout the branch
[21:41] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: k


[04:00]  * TheMuso finally works out that the unity panel is drawn by unity/nux, and the panel service only takes care of showing gtk elements when the correct region is clicked for an indicator/menu...
[06:23] <ssj6akshat> Joey should get that papercuts post out fast
[06:48] <kvalo> morning
[07:40] <didrocks> good morning
[07:42] <kvalo> didrocks: good morning. how are you?
[07:43] <didrocks> kvalo: I'm good, thanks, and you?
[07:43] <kvalo> didrocks: I'm good as well. waiting for the long weekend :)
[08:13] <MacSlow> morning folks
[08:26] <kamstrup> MacSlow: morning
[08:26] <MacSlow> hey kamstrup
[09:14] <dbarth_> didrocks: is there a known issue with the default browser setting?
[09:15] <didrocks> dbarth_: hum, not AFAIK, what's up?
[09:15] <dbarth_> didrocks: my irc client keeps opening firefox whereas chrome is set as my default browser
[09:15] <didrocks> dbarth_: oh you mean, it doesn't pick the right default browser for you?
[09:15] <didrocks> yeah
[09:15] <didrocks> that changed
[09:15] <dbarth_> ah
[09:15] <didrocks> and someone need to do a chromium (and chrome?)
[09:15] <didrocks> it's bugging me as well
[09:15] <didrocks> you can fix that manually IIRC
[09:16] <didrocks> it's using a mimetype, let me look at my logs
[09:20] <didrocks> dbarth_: /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[09:20] <didrocks> dbarth_: x-scheme-handler/http=firefox.desktop
[09:20] <didrocks> you probably want to change that
[09:21] <didrocks> (same for https)
[09:21] <didrocks> there is the local equivalent IIRC
[09:29] <dbarth_> didrocks: thanks, it works; i assume there is a bug against the default application selector in gnome?
[09:29] <didrocks> dbarth_: not sure there is a bug, but it's tracked
[09:51] <kvalo> kamstrup: still have time for review? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~kvalo/indicator-network/libconnman-sort-services/+merge/42597
[10:02] <kamstrup> kvalo: approved, although I was slightly less thorough than usually since I have quite a lot to do today
[10:04] <kvalo> kamstrup: oh, I'm disappointed now ;) but seriously, thanks a lot
[10:49] <seiflotfy> didrocks, u there?
[10:51] <didrocks> seiflotfy: yes
[12:02] <kvalo> ronoc: hi. can you review this one, please: https://code.launchpad.net/~kvalo/indicator-network/libconnman-sort-services/+merge/42611
[12:03] <ronoc> kvalo, sure
[12:07] <ronoc> kvalo, the fixme comment in mock-service.c is a little odd  ?
[12:08] <ronoc> also cmp_services returns a mixture of booleans and ints, just a semantic thing but shouldn't all be just ints
[12:09] <ronoc> kvalo, which could be an enum, which would reader nicer
[12:10] <ronoc> kvalo, sorry reader the cmp_services incorrectly
[12:13] <kvalo> ronoc: the comment in the mock means that it really should be a subclass for dbusmenu menuitem, but for now I just subclassed it from gobject
[12:15] <ronoc> kvalo, sure, it might be nice to typedef the return value so as it is explicity what is being returned, not just a mere int but 'rating'
[12:15] <kvalo> ronoc: yeah, cmp_services() should return gints only
[12:16] <ronoc> just a thought
[12:16] <kvalo> ronoc: ah, but that's defined in glib
[12:16] <ronoc> will approve with that comment
[12:16] <ronoc> kvalo, which is defined in glib ?
[12:17] <kvalo> ronoc: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Doubly-Linked-Lists.html#GCompareFunc
[12:17] <kvalo> ronoc: what cmp_services() need to return
[12:17] <ronoc> kvalo, okay, approving
[12:18] <kvalo> ronoc: thanks!
[14:02] <didrocks> you know what? one day, I'll learn to type != when I want != and not == :/
[14:14] <jcastro> dbarth_: when do you want to do the get-involved unity page overview?
[14:15] <jcastro> dbarth_: jono would like me to announce it today so if we can find a few more bugs that would be great
[14:15] <jcastro> didrocks: ^
[14:15] <didrocks> jcastro: I'm finishing fixing one and get work with you just after that
[14:15] <didrocks> if you have time :)
[14:15] <didrocks> maybe dbarth_ should join as well
[14:16] <jcastro> ok rock!
[14:22] <lamalex> morning everyone
[14:22] <doctormo> tedg: Hello, out of you cody and conor, who is the best to talk about creating a custom indicator menu item widget?
[14:23] <tedg> doctormo, It depends on which part of me you ask.  My ego definitely says me, but other parts of my psyche may disagree.
[14:23] <tedg> doctormo, Is this for an app indicator?
[14:23] <doctormo> tedg: We'll go with your ego, it's the best part of you ;-)
[14:24] <dbarth_> jcastro: give me 20 mins, and then i'm your man
[14:24] <doctormo> This isn't for an app indictator, this is for experiments with a progress indicator. Novacut are interested and there a few designs on the wiki already.
[14:25] <tedg> doctormo, Ah, interesting.
[14:25] <doctormo> tedg: First a simple question, would it be possible to do in python?
[14:25] <didrocks> hey lamalex
[14:26] <tedg> doctormo, Partially.  System indicators have a loadable module part (which is typically very small, visualization only) and that would need to be in a compiled language.  But the service that implements all the logic just exists over dbus, so it can be in any language you wish.
[14:26] <tedg> doctormo, We've stayed away from Python specifically because of the large memory footprint.  Currently, all the services in their base state use less RAM than one copy of the Python interpreter.
[14:27] <tedg> doctormo, That's why we've been pushing Vala in that space.
[14:27] <doctormo> makes sense, will have to push that here too then.
[14:28] <jcastro> ted is vala fan #1
[14:28] <tedg> Heh, except that I personally haven't written anything in Vala yet :)
[14:28] <tedg> Though, I do think it's a good idea.
[14:29] <doctormo> Ted says "that's good in principle, do that" :-D
[14:30] <tedg> Do as I say not as I do. :)
[14:31] <tedg> I find it hard to justify the memory cost of an interpreter on small things that are running continually.  The percentage cost of the interpreter is too high.
[14:32] <doctormo> That sort of talk is anti-perl
[14:32] <jderose> hi tedg! :)
[14:33] <tedg> Good morning jderose
[14:33] <hyperair> tedg: wait, what, indicator-applet uses less memory than one python interpreter?
[14:33] <tedg> doctormo, I'm not anti-anything.  I just remember what it was like to have 16MB of RAM :)
[14:34] <tedg> hyperair, The various services -- indicator-messages-service, etc.
[14:34] <hyperair> tedg: if you remember then fix the indicators to stop leaking memory >_>
[14:34] <hyperair> tedg: do you know i need to kill indicator-applet every 6 hours or so?
[14:34] <jderose> tedg: doctormo was relaying your wisdom to me on #novacut, so wanted to say hi, and thanks
[14:34] <hyperair> tedg: that reclaims around 100M of memory each time.
[14:34] <tedg> Things like that applet grow a bunch because they start caching all the application memus.
[14:34] <hyperair> tedg: which applications?
[14:35] <tedg> hyperair, For the application menu bar.  indicator-applet-appmenu
[14:35] <tedg> hyperair, Hmm, I don't see a leak like that....
[14:35] <hyperair> tedg: i have no fewer applications in the indicator after restarting, and i don't use the menu bar. this is just the old indicator-applet in maverick
[14:35] <hyperair> tedg: try keeping your system on for 6 days at a time, and you'll see it.
[14:35] <doctormo> hyperair: Interesting case, can you debug?
[14:35] <hyperair> indicator-applet is my #1 restarted process
[14:35] <hyperair> doctormo: i don't know where to start
[14:36] <hyperair> tedg: in fact, i don't know why ubuntu seems so heavyweight recently.
[14:36] <hyperair> tedg: i used to be able to run a VM on 64-bit ubuntu on 2G of RAM
[14:36] <tedg> hyperair, Hmm, I literally just rebooted this morning so I don't have anything to compare -- but I typically do and hadn't noticed :-/
[14:36] <hyperair> with firefox and thunderbird
[14:36] <hyperair> tedg: now with 2G of ram i need to choose between firefox and thunderbird.
[14:36] <hyperair> which to have open. open one, close the other, and vice versa
[14:36] <hyperair> >_>
[14:37] <hyperair> machine goes nuts otherwise
[14:37] <tedg> Hmm, I have 2G and no swap....
[14:37] <hyperair> try using 64-bit ubuntu
[14:37] <tedg> I am using 64-bit
[14:37] <hyperair> what
[14:37] <hyperair> that's so unfair =_="
[14:37] <doctormo> hyperair: Could this help you? http://munir.wordpress.com/2006/08/05/finding-memory-leaks-using-mtrace/
[14:39] <hyperair> doctormo: these days we use valgrind
[14:39] <hyperair> doctormo: but stuff like mtrace and valgrind make things go really really slowly, and consume loads of CPU.
[14:39] <hyperair> doctormo: it's not something you want to run for 6 hours
[14:40] <doctormo> hyperair: You may not have to? I thought you could tell a leaky pipe without waiting for the flooded apartment.
[14:41] <hyperair> doctormo: another thing is gtk+/glib is really valgrind unfriendly.
[14:42] <hyperair> tedg: what's your memory usage like usually?
[14:44] <hyperair> tedg: this is purely guesswork, but i'm thinking that the messaging indicator is the one causing problems. something between indicator-applet and indicator-messages-service (indicator-messages-service doesn't need killing, but indicator-applet does)
[14:44] <tedg> hyperair, I'm getting old -- I can't remember anything anymore ;)
[14:45] <hyperair> hahah
[14:45] <tedg> I don't have anything indicator* over 14M
[14:45] <hyperair> =\
[14:45] <hyperair> try again in a few hours
[14:45] <hyperair> maybe you need something active in your messaging indicator
[14:45] <hyperair> e.g. liferea with lucidfox's indicator patch
[14:46] <tedg> hyperair, I have 5 apps life in my messaging menu, including liferea :)
[14:46] <tedg> live
[14:46] <hyperair> hmm =\
[14:46] <hyperair> i have 4
[14:46] <hyperair> tedg: which version of liferea?
[14:47] <tedg> hyperair, 1.6.3
[14:47] <hyperair> hmm maybe i should drop the version
[14:48] <hyperair> i think this one has an outdated patch
[14:48] <hyperair> i'm on 1.7
[14:53] <doctormo> Are there any indicator service plugins that use vala? the sound plugin is c and I assume it's that way for a reason?
[14:55] <DBO> htorque, present?
[14:55] <tedg> doctormo, The .so's are all C.  Sound uses a bunch of Vala for the service though.
[14:56] <tedg> doctormo, There's not specifically a *reason* that the .so's are C (it's GObject) but I've not tried to do that before.
[14:56] <htorque> DBO, yes
[14:56] <doctormo> tedg: Yes I see that part, just curious because my vala is better than my c and I didn't want to learn c in order to experiment with this.
[14:56] <DBO> htorque, I am really trying to reproduce your crash on close bug
[14:57] <DBO> can you give me any help?
[14:57] <htorque> DBO, i simply opened an application and closed it (doesn't matter if i use the window border "x", the quit in the quicklist or ctrl-c from the terminal)
[14:58] <tedg> doctormo, In theory, the only thing in the .so is a single symbol that instanticates the type of the object subclass that you've made.  It *should* be a single line of C....
[14:59] <htorque> DBO, i'll try it on a second system
[14:59] <DBO> htorque, can you give me as much information about your current unity/compiz/bamf setup as possible
[14:59] <hyperair> doctormo: vala compiles into C, so i don't think there are any issues with writing services in vala really.
[15:00] <doctormo> tedg: Can you give me a minute to walk me through some basics of compiling and running for debugging your datetime indicator? I'll play with that.
[15:00]  * jderose will follow along
[15:01] <tedg> doctormo, bzr branch lp:indicator-datetime ; cd indicator-datetime ; ./autogen.sh ; make :)
[15:02] <tedg> Oh, you should probably put a "sudo apt-get build-dep indicator-datetime" in there :)
[15:02] <doctormo> tedg: Half the story, now how about running, inserting, removing? don't I have to restart the computer every time I compile?
[15:02] <dbarth__> jcastro: pong
[15:02] <tedg> doctormo, No install libindicator-tools and then you'll have /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader
[15:02] <htorque> DBO, using unity r659, bamf r365 and compiz <IP_ADDRESS>+glibmainloop2-0ubuntu4, my compiz profile should be the default "ubuntu" one
[15:03] <doctormo> tedg: Ah there's the key info. thanks.
[15:03] <tedg> doctormo, So then you can, in src, do /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader .libs/libdatetime.so
[15:04] <doctormo> brilliant, and kill to murder it if it's a bastard child right?
[15:04] <DBO> htorque, when did the crashing start precisely?
[15:04] <jderose> tedg: ah, so does trunk only run on natty?  i'm on maverick ATM
[15:04] <htorque> DBO, right after installing bamf r365 (after a session restart)
[15:05] <htorque> DBO that was before updating unity
[15:05] <tedg> jderose, No, I haven't moved it over to Natty yet.
[15:05] <tedg> jderose, If I do, I'll branch it.
[15:05] <tedg> jderose, I don't think it's going to need an GTK 3 features, so it should run on Maverick through the cycle.
[15:05] <jderose> hmm, i'm still getting errors from ./autogen.sh even after i atp-get build-dep
[15:06] <DBO> htorque, I am deeply confused them by how this is crashing...
[15:06] <tedg> jderose, pastebin?
[15:06] <jderose> No package 'geoclue' found
[15:06] <jderose> No package 'liboobs-1' found
[15:06] <tedg> jderose, Oh, sorry, I didn't realize those were in trunk already.
[15:07] <jderose> tedg: well see, i just found a bug in debian/ then :)
[15:07] <tedg> jderose, You'll need libgeoclue-dev and liboobs-1-dev
[15:07] <htorque> DBO, i'm compiling bamf on a second system now, maybe this one is bad from too much testing (but it shouldn't be)
[15:07] <DBO> htorque, mikkel solved it
[15:07] <tedg> jderose, Well, there's no debian directory in this as it's an upstream branch.  And build-dep works off the version in the Maverick archive.
[15:08] <jderose> tedg: well, sure... should have assumed it works in natty
[15:09] <tedg> jderose, Actually, it doesn't work in Natty yet either as the new trunk hasn't been released yet into the Natty archive :)
[15:09] <doctormo> I take it geoclue and liboobs-1 are new deps to the datetime indicator and so not covered by the build-dep. I wonder if geoclue is available in maverick.
[15:10] <tedg> doctormo, It is.
[15:10] <tedg> doctormo, Universe in Maverick
[15:10] <tedg> doctormo, You won't get ubuntu-geoip, but that's not required.
[15:10] <jderose> tedg: bash: /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader: No such file or directory
[15:10] <DBO> htorque, please try rev 366
[15:10] <tedg> jderose, Did you install libindicator-tools?
[15:10] <jderose> ah, nope
[15:10] <htorque> DBO, on it
[15:12] <kvalo> tedg: hi. I ported indicator-network to gdbus and now I have a problem of stale entries in the menu after network-service has crashed. any ideas where to start debugging it?
[15:12] <tedg> kvalo, Uhm... gosh.  Not really...  they should be getting unref'd the same.
[15:13] <tedg> kvalo, You know, you could try my GDBus port of Dbusmenu ;)
[15:14] <doctormo> what is this GDbus? it scares me.
[15:14] <tedg> doctormo, DBus bindings that are now in GLib.
[15:14] <tedg> dbus-glib is now deprecated
[15:14] <doctormo> Ah, not what I feared it might be (a gnome replacement for dbus) ;-)
[15:15] <kvalo> tedg: I think I did a mistake somewhere, I just need to find where
[15:15] <htorque> DBO, seems to work fine (and i can start apps more than four times ;))
[15:15] <tedg> doctormo, If you ask the GNOME folks they wrote dbus and everything else, so dbus is effectively a core component of GNOME OS :)
[15:15] <DBO> htorque, lovely
[15:15] <kvalo> tedg: I saw your huge patch :)
[15:15] <DBO> htorque, fix a bug, reveal another it was hiding
[15:16] <DBO> huzzah
[15:16] <jcastro> dbarth__: I'm set whenever you are
[15:16] <doctormo> tedg: shhhh! it doesn't matter _who_ wrote it, the important thing is that it doesn't _feel_ gnomish.
[15:16] <jderose> tedg: so when i run  /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader .libs/libdatetime.so, what is supposed to happen?  nothing seems to appear in panel
[15:17] <tedg> jderose, It opens a new window with the indicator in it.
[15:17] <jderose> ah, okay... window was like 1px wide or something, didn't see
[15:17] <ScottK> doctormo: I don't think anyone in the KDE world is confused about how useful FDO is for cross-DE work that's fair and balanced.
[15:18] <htorque> DBO, yep, well done! :)
[15:18] <jderose> tedg: so is there an easy way to stick it into panel, replace one currently running?  what's your testing workflow?
[15:18] <DBO> thank you so much for your wonderful never ending stream of high quality bug reports :)
[15:19] <tedg> jderose, Well, if you install it you can kill the indicator-applet and it will reload with the new indicators.  But, I use the loader for almost everything.  I'll only put it in the system directory after building a package.
[15:20] <tedg> I'm probably more to the anal side of not having anything on my system that isn't from a package.
[15:20] <htorque> DBO, i'm just writing stuff down, but yw! :)
[15:20] <jderose> tedg: so are there any differences (for debugging and testing) between running in a window and running in panel?
[15:21]  * jderose thinks that's because packages rock, tedg :)
[15:22] <tedg> jderose, Not really.  It matters for the appmenus because they deal with issues like window focus.  But all the other indicators don't really care.
[15:23] <tedg> We should probably poll ronoc and kvalo for their development style as well.  They might be different.
[15:23] <jderose> tedg: okay, awesome... thanks for tutorial
[15:23] <doctormo> jderose: can you private message me the history? my computer crashed.
[15:23] <tedg> OT: is #ayatana logged somewhere publicly?
[15:24] <doctormo> OT tedg: that would be against the evil internal policy wouldn't it?
[15:24] <ronoc> this registration mechanism is proving more difficult than I expected
[15:24] <htorque> tedg, it's on http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[15:24] <tedg> doctormo, I thought that all #ubuntu channels were logged, no?
[15:25] <dbarth__> jcastro: grr, missed the ping back sorry
[15:25] <doctormo> tedg: they are, here where htorque has shown. But I thought it would only apply to #ubuntu-ayatana
[15:25] <tedg> htorque, Cool, thanks!
[15:25] <tedg> ronoc, :(  Yeah, it seems like you might have to use custom filters?
[15:26] <ronoc> tedg, yeah I have been trying to use the bus.watch pattern but I'm blocked by a pretty major vala bug
[15:27] <ronoc> tedg, have been speaking phako on #vala and he has pointed me towards rygels design
[15:27] <jderose> doctormo: whoops, that sure didn't work.  Excess Flood.
[15:29] <doctormo> jderose: I'll just have to wait for the logs to update
[15:30] <jderose> doctormo: i wonder at how many lines/bytes the Excess Flood triggers... i didn't paste that much!
[15:31] <doctormo> 5 perhaps
[15:31] <doctormo> jderose: You could pastebin it
[15:31] <tedg> doctormo, I wonder if it's by time or data size... we can keep chatting to push them ;)
[15:32] <jderose> see tedg, you're just full of good ideas and advice.  doctormo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539453/
[15:36] <doctormo> jderose: I always consider ted to have these on his shoulders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-sKP17xTw
[15:38] <ronoc> tedg, i think I will go this route and implement something similar, not ideal but I'm going to connect to the name owner changed signal and react accordingly
[15:40] <mpt> kenvandine, hi, do you have five minutes spare to look at a Brainstorm idea?
[15:41] <jderose> doctormo: hehe... you ever watch the venture brothers? the voice actor for the devil is the same as the moppet twins, hero is same as Brock Samson (aka The Tick)
[15:41] <lamalex> compiz alt-tab is really slow
[15:41] <lamalex> drives me nuts
[15:41] <tedg> lamalex, Nvidia?
[15:42] <lamalex> tedg, intel
[15:42] <tedg> I believe didrocks was saying that to smspillaz yesterday, but his was nvidia.
[15:43] <didrocks> yeah, I get that too
[15:43] <didrocks> when I have a lot of window in a ws
[15:43] <didrocks> I think it's when staticswitcher try to create the thumbs or whatever
[15:48] <kenvandine> mpt, sure
[15:48] <mpt> kenvandine, <http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/25197/>, which has been implemented as <https://launchpad.net/deb-thumbnailer>
[15:49] <mpt> Is it a reasonable architecture, and if so, what's the next step for getting it into Ubuntu? (packaging it, I guess)
[15:50]  * kenvandine is looking
[15:51] <didrocks> mpt: I would say those kind of things should be reviewed by mvo
[15:51] <mpt> hm, that makes sense
[15:55] <kenvandine> yeah, have mvo look at it
[15:56] <kenvandine> but it looks like it would be just getting the package included
[15:56] <kenvandine> although installing it didn't actually make it work for me
[15:56] <kenvandine> looks like a cool solution, and minimal change to accomplish it
[15:57] <mpt> ok, thanks kenvandine
[15:57] <kenvandine> anytime mpt
[16:15] <kenvandine> tedg, going to have a dbusmenu and indicator-datetime upload today?
[16:16] <tedg> kenvandine, dbusmenu, no.  The review probably won't be done until next week -- but I'd like to talk about packaging it.
[16:16] <tedg> kenvandine, It's a 9000 line diff :-/
[16:16] <kenvandine> ok
[16:17] <kenvandine> i am uploading libindicator now
[16:17] <kenvandine> then i'll get back to g-ir-scanner and appindicator, ewww
[16:17] <tedg> kenvandine, Okay, I have patches to split up indicator-application and libappindicator
[16:17] <kenvandine> tedg, how about indicator-datetime?
[16:18] <kenvandine> tedg, split?
[16:18] <tedg> kenvandine, Yeah, i can do that one for sure.
[16:18] <tedg> kenvandine, yeah, into two tarballs.  So hopefully it makes the library easier to adopt for other distros.
[16:18] <kenvandine> ah
[16:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[16:18] <kenvandine> doesn't help with g-ir-scanner though :)
[16:19] <tedg> kenvandine, Heh, yeah.  And the repos are branched, so any changes should apply correctly to the various repos.
[16:19]  * tedg loves using a DVCS with proper file IDs :)
[16:33] <jcastro> didrocks: dbarth: lamalex: ok guys I've got a blog post ready to go and we've done a once over on the get-involved unity page, but I still only have like 4 bitesize bugs
[16:34] <jcastro> surely you guys can get me at least 10 or 15?
[16:34] <didrocks> jcastro: I'm currently reviewing them
[16:34] <jcastro> \m/
[16:34] <didrocks> jcastro: do you have the link to the bitesize btw?
[16:34] <didrocks> (will be easier for me :))
[16:59] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[16:59] <jcastro> didrocks: ^
[16:59] <jcastro> didrocks: hey apt-get build-dep unity should pull in all the right stuff for people to get started right?
[16:59] <jcastro> I am adding a developer section to the usb key install stuff
[17:00] <jcastro> so people can just make a USB key, install stuff, and then start hacking
[17:00] <didrocks> jcastro: right
[17:00] <didrocks> jcastro: awesome idea
[17:01] <didrocks> jcastro: sorry, still discussing bugs right now and opening some, will get a list soon :)
[17:01] <jcastro> no worries
[17:07] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/InstallUSBKey
[17:07] <jcastro> ok there are the docs for installing the dev stuff
[17:11] <htorque> jcastro, why is the text in the new wiki theme so small? (sorry if that's OT here)
[17:20] <jcastro> htorque: not sure. :-/
[17:21] <jcastro> htorque: I have it set on large in my browser
[17:21] <jcastro> htorque: feel free to update/fix that page if you find broken stuff if you try it
[17:26] <htorque> jcastro, nothing's broken there - looks fine. :) as for the fonts: it's across all browsers and other pages show bigger fonts, don't know... http://img.xrmb2.net/images/237664.png (chromium, opera, firefox)
[17:26] <MacSlow> good weekend everybody... see you monday
[17:54] <seg> ivanka: my phone just crashed
[17:55] <seg> ivanka: I'll be back on in a minute
[17:55] <ivanka> seg: no worries, I will be here
[17:56] <coz_> good day all
[17:57] <seg> ivanka: doesn't seem to be working
[17:57] <ivanka> seg: I have enough to be getting on with
[17:57] <ivanka> seg: shall bug you again if I need more
[17:57] <ivanka> seg: and then you can get on with your day!
[17:57] <ivanka> seg: thank you so much for your time
[17:58] <seg> ivanka: great! Let me know if you need more. I can also answer questions via e-mail, which would save you the difficulty of transcribing
[17:58] <ivanka> seg: ah, but then I would lose the tone :-)
[17:59] <seg> hah
[17:59] <ivanka> seg: have a great friday and I will catch you another time if I have more specific questions, will email them
[17:59] <seg> cool
[17:59] <seg> have a nice weekend
[18:01] <jcastro> didrocks: john has acked the list of quicklist things and I'm ready to publish it
[18:01] <jcastro> didrocks: so what's the plan as far as the .desktop files?
[18:01] <jcastro> or is that a dbarth thing?
[18:11] <didrocks> jcastro: it's not implement in unity compiz yet
[18:11] <didrocks> jcastro: so, will have to wait for a week
[18:11] <coz_> anyone on dual monitor with unity?
[18:33] <jcastro> didrocks: ok no problem
[18:34] <jcastro> coz_: yep, nvidia twinview over here
[18:34] <coz_> jcastro,  cool...how is it working
[18:34] <jcastro> the only bug left for me is the top bar spans 2 monitors, but neil is on it and should be fixed soon
[18:34] <didrocks> jcastro: I went through all bugs
[18:34] <coz_> jcastro,  ah  ok
[18:34] <didrocks> I added some: Unity
[18:35] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[18:35] <didrocks> there are 10 now
[18:35] <jcastro> yeah!!!!
[18:35] <coz_> jcastro,   mm then I guess  I will attempt it on this machine with dual monitors...thanks....
[18:35] <didrocks> jcastro: need to go on week-end now :)
[18:36] <jcastro> thanks man!
[18:36] <jcastro> coz_: everything else works though, it maximizes to the right monitor, etc.
[18:36] <coz_> jcastro,  is neil going to have an option for both span both monitors and not ?
[18:36] <didrocks> jcastro: yw :)
[18:37]  * spikeb tests a1
[18:41] <spikeb> brb on A1
[18:47] <jcastro> htorque: put your unity launcher question update as a seperate answer, since it's the correct way to do it now and then mark it as the accepted one.
[18:55] <htorque> jcastro, alright!
[19:09]  * spikeb-natty considers himself impressed
[19:47] <tedg> klattimer1, doctormo, FYI, I branch indicator-datetime so lp:indicator-datetime/0.1 is the Maverick branch (no geoclue, etc.) and lp:indicator-datetime has all the goodies.  I don't think it'll effect much, but FYI.
[19:56] <DBO> smspillaz, present?
[21:13] <kenvandine> tedg, ok, i think i have a sane GIR and vapi for appindicator
[21:13] <kenvandine> mind taking a quick look at them to see if they make sense?
[21:13]  * tedg high fives kenvandine!
[21:13] <tedg> Sure!
[21:20] <tedg> kenvandine, Make sense to me.
[21:20] <kenvandine> woot
[22:56] <tedg> bratsche, Can I get you to review this *long* patch?  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ted/indicator-appmenu/alt-d-problem/+merge/42699


[14:34] <ikonia> some of the people in here maintained the ubuntu raspberry pi images, I can't remember who it was, I'd love to know the process they use to build the images, I'm looking to make an update to use tmpfs by default more as I'm burning through SD cards, so would like to change the default mount points


[20:45] <valorie> kde lovers: http://www.meetup.com/KDE-Users-Seattle/events/226100277/ Wed. in Seattle


[06:24] <ChmEarl> neovim checkhealth in Jammy: https://pb.dynavirt.com/view/raw/e48b8898
[17:34] <ghavil> Would there be any accurate way to figure out when the systemd 249.11-0ubuntu3.7 package would have been pushed & visible in the security repositories? I'm trying to figure out a timeline with unattended-upgrades
[17:42] <andol> ghavil: I think you can get a reasonable good timeline by either looking at the https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd published dates or the http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemd/ "Last modified" info
[17:43] <ghavil> Ah good point, so maybe around "2023-03-07 06:54" (I assume that's UTC)
[17:43] <ghavil> I think that'll work for now, thanks!
[17:45] <andol> I wouldn't rely to heavily on the exact time, since the mtime could possibly have been orginated on some other server, and simply propated by rsync preserving that info.
[17:59] <ghavil> Yeah, makes sense
[21:47] <sdeziel> ghavil: `/var/log/apt/history.log` contains information around install time
[21:48] <ghavil> Thanks, yeah I've got that. I'm trying to figure out why some hosts didn't see the package when they ran their unattended-upgrades so, knowing when it was published is what I'm after.
[22:35] <sdeziel> ghavil: you can potentially check the Last modified time on your archive mirror like this random example: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/a11y-profile-manager/
[22:38] <ghavil> Yeah, that's what andol mentioned earlier. Since it was a security update, I think http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/systemd/ (systemd_249.11-0ubuntu3.7_amd64.deb) is the right place to check so, ~2023-03-07 06:54. Although andol pointed out that might be the timestamp of when it was created if rsync preserved the mtime on the file.


[01:51] <ax562> hola
[06:21] <flocculant> ochosi: fwiw I've got a vm with the desktop ppa and the git greybird now
[08:16] <ochosi> flocculant: great!
[08:16] <ochosi> i've also set one up for myself
[08:16] <ochosi> so far i'm still trying to finish notifyd so we can have a first stable gtk3 release of it
[08:17] <ochosi> but then one of my next tasks will be the greybird port i guess
[10:58] <flocculant> :)
[13:11] <Unit193> OK, merging mousepad and fixing that tab close bug while I'm at it.
[13:13] <Unit193> Anyone else see https://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfce4-settings/news/20160612T164056Z.html?  Specifically, 02_enable-crtc added, re-enable CRTC after resume. closes: Debian #785622
[13:15] <ochosi> Unit193: sorry, not seen it yet, can hopefully take a look one of these days, although maybe bluesabre also wants to take a look at that particular one
[13:15] <ochosi> also on my way to our summer domicile and packing
[13:15] <Unit193> I was going to merge it, see what happens.  OK, have fun.
[13:20] <Unit193> OK, crashing bug confirmed fixed now.
[13:20] <ax562> anyone use deluge>?
[13:20] <Unit193> Sure, it's a torrent application, I'm sure many do.
[13:21] <ax562> in here?
[13:22] <ax562> I prefer it over transmission
[13:22] <ax562> but was giving me problems this morning
[13:26] <Unit193> flocculant: New -settings for you, hopefully.
[13:43] <Unit193> 4 uploads, can I sleep now?
[13:45] <ax562> xubuntu never sleeps
[13:45] <ax562> ;p
[18:39] <Unit193> So are there technically two black screen bugs or just one?
[19:45] <flocculant> Unit193: not sure tbh
[20:19] <Unit193> All I knew is that you didn't have the problem, so can't test. :P
[20:19] <flocculant> Unit193: not quite the case - knackered laptop is working enough to test a fix for the intel/xorg issue
[20:22] <flocculant> Unit193: so if there was something in a ppa I could test - just let me at it :)
[20:22] <Unit193> flocculant: I uploaded it to yakkety this morning actually, xfce4-settings might have something related.
[20:24] <flocculant> Unit193: oh right - currently that's still on xenial iirc - I can look, but it won't be early tomorrow
[20:25] <Unit193> I backported it to my PPA as usual of course. :P
[20:25] <flocculant> :)
[20:56] <flocculant> Unit193: -settings? I thought this was something awry with intel+xorg?
[20:56] <flocculant> unless that's a different thing - and what you meant earlier of course :p
[20:56] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah, so did I from the little I saw (so, eg what you said and linked.)  I just saw the changelog and bug, as linked in backlog here.
[20:57] <Unit193> Figured it's worth a shot, comes free with a merge.
[21:08] <flocculant> yup - well I'll check that out tomorrow on the laptop and tell you what I find :)
[21:09] <Unit193> Coolio.