[07:04] <Lucky__> Hi
[07:05] <Lucky__> Anybody there?
[10:30] <neil_d> I am trying to get a usb pendrive on a client to mount so its accessible.. but it isn't going I have LOCALDEV=true set for this client.. I think I have done all the setup needed but it still isn't working... can anyone help?
[10:45] <alkisg> neil_d: if you run ltsp-localapps xterm, does an xterm start?
[10:49] <neil_d> alkisg: why!   I have a ssh into the terminal atm.
[10:49] <alkisg> neil_d: ah, ok. What do you get with `getltscfg -a` ?
[10:49] <alkisg> (http://paste.ubuntu.com)
[10:52] <neil_d> http://paste.ubuntu.com/402338/
[10:54] <alkisg> neil_d: why startx and not ldm?
[10:55] <alkisg> (btw, LOCALDEV defaults to true, so you don't need to specify it)
[10:56] <alkisg> And, which ubuntu version is that? X_CONF is used nowadays..
[10:56] <neil_d> alkisg: I have the default set to false... to stop all other terminals using usb stuff.
[10:57] <neil_d> alkisg: I am using hardy
[10:57] <alkisg> OK - btw, here's the man page, for X_CONF etc: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
[10:58] <alkisg> Why startx and not ldm?
[10:58] <neil_d> it is what worked when I setup the system.
[11:45] <neil_d> I am trying to get a usb pendrive on a client to mount so its accessible.. but it isn't going I have LOCALDEV=true set for this client.. I think I have done all the setup needed but it still isn't working...  there is an entry in "/var/run/ltspfs_fstab" on the client...  should there be an ltspfs_fstab on the server...  can anyone help?
[11:46] <alkisg> neil_d: why don't you try with ldm?
[11:48] <alkisg> ltspfsd relies on an xprop token, which might be handled by ldm...
[11:48] <neil_d> alkisg: because the terminal is miles away and I don't want to upset it booting.... and what could a different way of starting the gui do?
[11:49] <alkisg> neil_d: ldm contains a set of scripts which won't run if you just start x, I believe
[11:49] <alkisg> I'm not sure, but it might be the reason why your usb stick isn't working
[11:50] <neil_d> alkisg: ok I give it a go...
[11:56] <neil_d> alkisg: no change
[11:57] <alkisg> neil_d: ok, leave ldm running there, don't put xdmcp (startx) back
[11:57] <alkisg> Can you mount the stick manually?
[11:57] <neil_d> alkisg: I will try again.. it i mounted it yesterday.. hang on a minute.
[11:59] <neil_d> alkisg: it does mount..
[12:01] <alkisg> There's a troubleshooting page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev but it's a little old
[12:02] <neil_d> alkisg: yes.. I have been reading that page.
[12:04] <alkisg> if you run /sbin/udevadm monitor, do you see messages produced when you plug/unplug the stick?
[12:05] <alkisg> Does ltspfsd run on the client? Do you have an ltspfs process on the server, running as the user that is logged on the thin client?
[12:08] <neil_d> alkisg: there are no ltspfs processors running.. but then atm noone is logged into any terminal.
[12:09] <alkisg> I think you need to logon someone for the mounting to work
[12:12] <neil_d> alkisg: I don't know of any way to do that remotely... nobody is there atm.    why would logging in someone be needed?
[12:13] <alkisg> neil_d: a process needs to be ran on the server with the logged on users' credentials
[12:13] <alkisg> neil_d: you can put LDM_AUTOLOGIN and LDM_USERNAME /password to get someone logged on automatically
[12:13] <neil_d> alkisg: btw.. its 11PM on a Saturday here atm
[12:13] <alkisg> neil_d: 11pm? where are you! :)
[12:13] <neil_d> alkisg: yes
[12:14] <alkisg> Japan?!
[12:14] <neil_d> no!  Australia, NSW
[12:14]  * alkisg is in Greece... 2 pm
[12:30] <neil_d> alkisg: I LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD ... but it didn't appear to work... the LDM_PASSWORD is the password in the clear isn't it?
[12:30] <alkisg> neil_d: yes, but did you also put LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True?
[12:30] <neil_d> alkisg: to be exact I put LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true
[12:31] <alkisg> Yeah that should be fine...
[12:31] <alkisg> Do you see any failed logon attempts in your server's auth.log?
[12:37] <neil_d> alkisg: I got this in my log "Public key 28:1e:20:a0:6f:49:94:ae:43:1e:ba:f6:f4:b5:d8:3f blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1))"
[12:37] <alkisg> neil_d: maybe you need to update your chroot then
[12:38] <neil_d> alkisg: it was update several time on Friday.   How would I change the ssh key?
[12:40] <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update && sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get dist-upgrade...
[12:40] <alkisg> I think the openssh installer automatically updates the blacklisted keys
[12:46] <bencrisford> afternoon all
[12:49] <neil_d> alkisg: working...
[12:50] <alkisg> neil_d: the stick? nice!
[12:50] <neil_d> alkisg: no! the update.
[12:50] <alkisg> Heh, ok
[13:20] <neil_d> alkisg: the dist-upgrade does nothing..
[13:21] <alkisg> neil_d: then you already have an updated image. Did you also run ltsp-update-image?
[13:21] <neil_d> yes... and still got the messages.
[13:23]  * alkisg doesn't know... google for update ssh keys etc, it isn't ltsp related...
[13:24] <alkisg> neil_d: ah, do try: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
[13:24] <alkisg> Maybe the problem is with the server ssh keys that are copied to the image...
[13:28] <alkisg> neil_d: is that setup working? I mean how where you working with xmdcp and broken ssh keys?
[13:31] <neil_d> alkisg: I dont know but it is working.. maybe only one key is not so good.   after all the key still works its just the security that isn't as high as it could be.
[14:10] <neil_d> alkisg: ltsp-update-sshkeys didn't take any noticeable time... I don't think it did anything... anyway the error is still happening.
[14:11] <alkisg> neil_d: ltsp-update-image is needed *after* the ltsp-update-sshkeys
[14:11] <neil_d> alkisg: I give up for now.. thanks for trying to help.
[14:11] <alkisg> OK, bye
[14:11] <neil_d> alkisg: yes I know I did do that.. still no joy on that front.
[15:15] <joerg> hey
[15:18] <highvoltage> hey joerg
[16:15] <bencrisford> highvoltage: you around?
[17:32] <bencrisford_> highvoltage: hi
[17:34] <highvoltage> hi bencrisford_
[17:34] <bencrisford_> highvoltage: ubuntu installed again :D:D:D:D
[17:34] <bencrisford_> i have to say, the boot time on 10.04 really took my breath away
[17:34] <bencrisford_> its better than arch...
[17:36] <bencrisford_> anyway, i have to go, ill brb
[17:37] <bencrisford_> when i get back im gonna sort out my old files, because im sure that somewhere i have a heap of unfinished edubuntu stuff
[17:37] <bencrisford_> mainly posters
[17:38] <bencrisford_> its probably all useless, but there might be some stuff worth finding ;)
[17:42] <highvoltage> bencrisford_: great!
[17:42] <highvoltage> bencrisford_: yes boot time is really getting good, ltsp boot time is super-fast too
[18:00] <bencrisford_> back =)
[18:43] <bencrisford> highvoltage: launchpad has changed :S


 I owe so much money to pleia2 because of the CoC, she always slaps me with it :(. Stupid CoC or http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct, ChinnoDog
[03:14] <ChinnoDog> hi jboyette
[03:14] <jboyette> Hello ChinnoDog
[03:17] <ChinnoDog> pfft
[03:40] <waltman> There's a show on the Travel Channel right now called "Bacon Paradise"
[03:41] <andrew> waltman: tell SamuraiAlba
[03:41] <waltman> Turns out there's a place in Arlington, VA called "3" where everything on the menu contains bacon.
[03:42] <waltman> I need to visit this place.
[03:43] <waltman> one dish they showed is a pork chop, stuffed with bacon and corn bread, and wrapped in bacon.
[04:20] <andrew> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 <- someone needs to make a video like this for ubuntu
[04:20] <PennBot`> Title: YouTube - Chain of Fools : Upgrading through every version of windows (HQ) (at www.youtube.com)
[04:20] <andrew> Or, if you feel more ambicious, Linux in general
[15:36] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[15:52] <waltman> SamuraiAlba: There was a show on the Travel Channel last night called "Bacon Paradise"!
[15:53] <SamuraiAlba> O.o
[15:54] <andrew> SamuraiAlba:
[15:54] <andrew> 22:40:11 < waltman> There's a show on the Travel Channel right now called "Bacon Paradise"
[15:54] <andrew> 22:41:42 < andrew> waltman: tell SamuraiAlba
[15:54] <andrew> 22:41:53 < waltman> Turns out there's a place in Arlington, VA called "3" where everything on the menu contains bacon.
[15:55] <andrew> 22:42:04 < waltman> I need to visit this place.
[15:55] <andrew> 22:43:15 < waltman> one dish they showed is a pork chop, stuffed with bacon and corn bread, and wrapped in bacon.
[15:55] <SamuraiAlba> ZOMG!
[15:56] <andrew> [OT] (aka, on topic): Is there a way to prevent Ubuntu from automounting when a digital camera is plugged in?
[15:57] <SamuraiAlba> Ubuntu is a bit Randy in that way
[16:01] <jedijf> andrew yes
[16:01] <andrew> Darn, why did I phrase that as a yes/no question. Mind pointing a path to take?
[16:05] <jedijf>  polkit-gnome-authorization
[16:06] <jedijf> storage--then removable, then change as required
[16:09] <jedijf> or gconf-editor -> apps->nautilus->prefs->media automount ...i thought there was a system (pref or admin)way too, but they keep changing menu item names
[17:17] <ChinnoDog> lol. "What is the difference between a cheeseburger hoagey and a hoageyburger?" A: "hoageyburger has bacon".  But, it is $1.10 more!
[17:18] <jedijf> mmm...cheeseburger hoagie
[17:18] <ChinnoDog> For that price it better be wrapped in bacon.
[17:18] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I know you need one now.
[17:19] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: where is this from?
[17:20] <jedijf> i have a special spot for my cheeseburger hoagie in atlantic city,nj
[17:20] <andrew> http://www.thisiswhyyourefat.com/?s=bacon
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: Around the corner from work there is a little sandwich shop
[17:22] <jedijf> andrew: i'll check one of my morerecent install when i get home, i think there is a gui way....removable devices or something
[17:22] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: cheeseburger hoagies when done right, are very nommy
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I wish I were lamalex. Then I could post whatever I want on twitter without fear of offending anyone.
[17:34] <andrew> jedijf: I know I can do it via gui, but I'm trying to add it to a script (well, if I can have the script check if mounted & unmount prior to doing what else it will be doing)
[17:43] <ChinnoDog> I need an e-mail to snail mail gateway
[17:43] <ChinnoDog> Any recommendations from anyone?
[17:43] <JonathanD> I'll do it for $1 per byte.
[17:46] <ChinnoDog> If I send it in 7-bit ASCII do I get a 12.5% discount?
[17:46] <JonathanD> Seems reasonable.
[17:46] <JonathanD> I'll even give you a bulk discount on anything over 1000 bytes per month.
[17:47] <JonathanD> and a free toaster
[17:48] <ChinnoDog> I'm going to send you 1MB of new page characters and see if you go bankrupt beflore you can fill my order
[17:48] <andrew> I still think he'd make out
[17:49] <JonathanD> at $1 a page?
[17:50] <ChinnoDog> First he would have to buy all the paper though
[17:50] <andrew> ~5 pages per first class stamped envelope
[17:50] <ChinnoDog> lol
[17:51] <andrew> case of paper is like $47 http://www.staples.com/Staples-Copy-Paper/product_SS122457?cmArea=SC1:CG10:DP1424:CL140691
[17:51] <PennBot`> Title: Staples® Copy Paper | Staples® (at www.staples.com)
[17:51] <andrew> That's 5,000 pages
[17:52] <andrew> or about $0.0094/page
[17:52] <andrew> 5 pages, plus stamp would equal under 50 cents
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> So I am paying $917,504 for 1,048,576 sheets of paper and 209,716 stamped envelopes?
[17:53] <andrew> perhaps
[17:54] <andrew> fortentually, he's got zero printing costs for that order
[17:54] <andrew> as even addressing those letters would cost you a ton extra
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> The envelopes still have to be addressed
[17:55] <andrew> exactly, but thats still at the rate of $1/byte
[17:56] <andrew> wait
[17:56] <andrew> we aren't factoring in your bulk discount
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> I could provide the messages in a .zip file
[17:57] <andrew> and the free toasters
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> haha. 1,1048,576 separate orders?
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> That could be a lot of free toasters
[17:57] <JonathanD> the free toaster is per 1000 bytes.
[17:58] <JonathanD> Just to clarify.
[17:58] <ChinnoDog> .zip file is still the way to go
[17:58] <andrew> can't you do better than zip?
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> It is all the same character. What compressed file format has the smallest header?
[17:59] <andrew> granted, with it being all the same repeated character, I'm sure many compression formats will do wonders
[17:59] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I will require you put the funds in escrow.
[17:59] <JonathanD> andrew: he has to include the destinations as well.
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> The addresses count against my bytes?
[18:00] <andrew> ChinnoDog: He didn't say otherwise
[18:01] <JonathanD> once the funds are in escrow I'll apply for a loan against them and proceed with mailing your blank pages of paper :)
[18:01] <andrew> Speaking of nearly free things, after hearing a conversation this morning (well, not "hearing", it was via IRC) I'm scared to attend my former college's BYOC (aka, LAN Party) this year
[18:02] <ChinnoDog> Why?
[18:02] <andrew> have a few numbers: max event attendance: 250
[18:02] <andrew> Bawls sponsorship
[18:02] <andrew> Free* pallet of Bawls
[18:03] <andrew> Yes, pallet
[18:03] <andrew> I'm told a pallet of Bawls is 900 bottles
[18:03] <andrew> * Free, except cost of shipping, which ammounts to ~$200
[18:04] <JonathanD> When is this?
[18:05] <andrew> April 2
[18:05] <andrew> http://acm.pct.edu/byoc/
[18:05] <PennBot`> Title: PCT ACM's BYOC Site :: Home (at acm.pct.edu)
[18:06] <andrew> PennBot`: nick PennBot
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> Sounds like a party
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> That is 23c a can for bawls. Not bad.
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> What is MSRP?
[18:16] <ChinnoDog> Could buy one pallet for $200, sell them at 50c ea. When half are gone you have $200. Spend $100 on pizza, If 1/2 of the rest are gone by the end of the night you have recouped your cost with bawls to spare.
[18:18] <rhpot1991> bawls seems to be some random energy drink
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> @seen stump
[18:25] <PennBot`> ChinnoDog: I have not seen stump.
[18:26] <ChinnoDog> PennBot`: bawls?
[18:26] <PennBot`> I have no idea, ChinnoDog.
[19:27] <andrew> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/fwpzj/iama_74time_jeopardy_champion_ken_jennings_i_will/
[19:27] <PennBot`> Title: IAmA 74-time Jeopardy! champion, Ken Jennings. I will not be answering in the form of a question. : IAmA (at www.reddit.com)


[04:54] <Kilos> morning captine  DalekSec  inetpro  et al
[05:55] <Kilos> oh my net splits time again
[06:35] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[06:36] <Tonberry> hi
[07:54] <Kilos> at times im more stupid than others it seems
[07:54] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[07:57] <Kilos> how come 14.04.1 expires in 20.19 and 14.04.2 expires in 2016 and what is the HWE thing
[07:57] <Kilos> oh is that only kernel support
[07:58] <Kilos> all other security updates will keep going till 20.19
[07:58] <Kilos> sigh rtfs
[08:34] <Kilos> oh my
[08:41] <DalekSec> HWE is xorg and mesa too.
[08:41] <Kilos> ah ty DalekSec
[10:17] <Kilos> DalekSec  may i ask where you are so i can fit you into a timezone in my head please
[10:19] <Kilos> you can pm if you prefer
[10:48] <inetpro> Kilos: what is 20.19?
[10:48] <Kilos> wb inetpro
[10:48] <inetpro> ty
[10:48] <Kilos> where do you see that
[10:49] <Kilos> oh sorry 2019
[10:49] <Kilos> what broke?
[10:50] <Kilos> the . can in becasue of the 14.04 action
[10:50] <inetpro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL
[10:51] <inetpro> thunder!
[10:52] <Kilos> ya town side
[11:11] <Kilos> thunder coming closer fast now
[11:11] <Kilos> if i disappear power died
[11:22] <Kilos> wb plustwo
[11:23] <plustwo> o/ Kilos
[11:23] <plustwo> rain
[11:58] <Kilos> hi captine
[12:02] <captine> hey there
[12:03] <Kilos> hmm... hey there , you with the smile on your face
[12:03] <captine> ?
[12:03] <captine> smile
[12:03] <Kilos> old song i think
[12:03] <captine> am doing ok... just mowed the lawns
[12:03] <captine> :)
[12:03] <captine> lol
[12:03] <Kilos> good man
[13:24] <inetpro> good afternoon
[13:57] <Kilos> avy inetpro
[13:58] <Kilos> very promising thunder we had
[15:05] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[15:05] <hibana> hello Kilos
[15:05] <Kilos> hibana  wb
[15:05] <hibana> pong
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:06] <Kilos> wat is stukkend
[15:06]  * hibana talking to you from Ireland or somewhere far away
[15:06] <Kilos> nee man
[15:06] <inetpro> :-)
[15:07] <Kilos> hehe
[15:07] <hibana> wat nee man jy?
[15:07] <Kilos> there was mo thunder in ireland today
[15:07] <Kilos> no
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: the thunder took him away to a far off land
[15:08] <Kilos> should i wait for the site to launch before trying to get a list addy
[15:08] <inetpro> wat's fout oom?
[15:08] <Kilos> neo is missing in action
[15:08] <hibana> ai!
[15:08] <Kilos> some heavy project keeping him away
[15:09] <inetpro> you don't have to do everything in one day
[15:09] <Kilos> hee hee listen to mr impatience himself
[15:09] <hibana> inetpro: this thing has been dragging on for longer than one day sir
[15:09] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:09] <Kilos> ty hibana
[15:10] <Kilos> someone on my side at last
[15:10]  * inetpro scratching with his toes in the sand
[15:10] <hibana> Kilos: waar's jou sjambok?
[15:11]  * Kilos prods inetpro  with the sjambok
[15:11] <inetpro> ok, ok, jammer oom
[15:11] <inetpro> wat moet ek maak oom?
[15:12] <Kilos> tell me what to do, you are the one that said mailing lists are easy
[15:12] <Kilos> and
[15:12] <Kilos> and
[15:12] <inetpro> ai!
[15:12] <Kilos> you supposed to support me in locoteams
[15:14] <Kilos> ive set the cheches on neo
[15:15] <Kilos> apologise for your greeter bots stupid questions
[15:16] <hibana> Kilos: wat het inetpro gedoen?
[15:16] <Kilos> te min dink ek hibana
[15:17] <Kilos> i want an official list addy for the site
[15:17] <hibana> gee kans ek sal hom vinnig uitsorteer
[15:17] <Kilos> not just any tom dick or harry@whatever
[15:17] <Kilos> dankie hibana
[15:17] <inetpro> uh
[15:18] <hibana> uh wat?
[15:18] <inetpro> ai!
[15:18] <Kilos> lol
[15:18]  * inetpro lost it somewhere
[15:19] <Kilos> IT?
[15:19] <inetpro> IT = Information Technology
[15:19] <Kilos> sigh
[15:19] <Kilos> it then
[15:19] <Kilos> what is it
[15:20]  * Kilos hands the sjambok to hibana
[15:21]  * hibana takes the sjambok and puts it aside for the moment
[15:21] <hibana> will come in handy later
[15:21] <Kilos> ai!
[15:21] <Kilos> sort him man
[15:25] <Kilos> ai!
[15:29] <Kilos> hibana  dont forget to hand the sjambok back before you leave, i battle here without it
[15:29] <hibana> sure thing Kilos
[15:30] <inetpro> Kilos: did you or superfly delete the ubuntu-africa team again or was that never created as a team?
[15:30] <Kilos> not me
[15:30] <Kilos> dev-team
[15:31] <Kilos> ubuntu-africa-dev i think it was
[15:31] <inetpro> I think we simply need to create the ubuntu-africa team
[15:31] <superfly> I think there's one already, but I can't remember for sure
[15:31] <superfly> I'll check
[15:32] <inetpro> but I remember you had something which the fly said was wrong
[15:32] <superfly> just not now, power going out from 6-8
[15:32] <Kilos> ty superfly  how you have lots of coffee made
[15:32] <Kilos> hope
[15:33] <superfly> thermos flasks ftw
[15:33] <Kilos> well done
[15:34] <Kilos> i got gas stoves and lamps so all i really lose is the internet
[15:37]  * hibana should be immune from power failures here in the DC
[15:38] <Kilos> you guys went offline earlier
[15:38] <Kilos> was that power or upgrade time
[15:38]  * hibana is just afraid of his masters pushing the wrong button
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <hibana> Kilos: I got a new lease of life here at Amazon
[15:40] <Kilos> how
[15:40] <Kilos> oh that 1 year thing
[15:40] <hibana> thanks to magespawn's brilliant idea last night
[15:41] <Kilos> yeah his idea is good because he wants to derive income from it
[15:41] <Kilos> how much space have you got
[15:42] <Kilos> oh its timed in hours so no good online 24/7
[15:42] <inetpro> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:42] <inetpro> /dev/xvda1      7.8G 1014M  6.4G  14% /
[15:43] <Kilos> what about the time thing
[15:43] <inetpro> I'm sure I can keep it up all hours
[15:44] <Kilos> so is there space for QA
[15:50] <inetpro> Kilos: space should be more than enough
[15:50] <inetpro> you'll have to give me a bit of time to get the hang of the setup
[15:50] <Kilos> and permissions
[15:51] <inetpro> so many options, so much to read
[15:51] <Kilos> but you are so good at rtfs
[15:54] <inetpro> 750 hours free per month
[15:56] <Kilos> ok how many hours in a month
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  31x24
[15:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[15:56] <Kilos> Maaz  31*24
[15:56] <Maaz> Kilos: 744
[15:56] <Kilos> wow so its full month
[15:57] <Kilos> =
[15:57] <Kilos> +
[16:01] <Kilos> i must go back to school and get my folks money back, how can they give you 750 hours when there are only 744
[16:07] <Kilos> oh i just twigged about the team inetpro  some names to add hey
[16:12] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[16:13] <SilverCode> hi Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> SilverCode  have you joined us yet at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members
[16:26] <Kilos> i think thats the link
[16:27] <Kilos> and if you would, can you add yourself here too please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[16:34] <SilverCode> ok, signed up on launchpad, but the wiki login seems to not work :/
[16:35] <Kilos> dont you see edit
[16:35] <Kilos> oh my
[16:36] <SilverCode> ok, it finally managed to log in
[16:36] <Kilos> it is very slow at times
[16:36] <Kilos> lol yay
[16:36] <SilverCode> ...and it logged me out...
[16:36] <Kilos> oh my
[16:36] <SilverCode> lets try this again
[16:37] <Kilos> please do
[16:37] <Kilos> murphy is around again
[16:38] <SilverCode> so do I just edit the wiki and stick my name at the bottom?
[16:38] <Kilos> yip
[16:38] <Kilos> easiest is to copy paste the one above and the paste and edit it i believe
[16:39] <Kilos> all those [| things are hard to remember
[16:43] <SilverCode> done
[16:43] <Kilos> ty SilverCode
[16:43] <Kilos> and welcome to our family
[16:43] <Kilos> community
[18:24] <Kilos> hmm... inetpro  nog ene
[19:24] <hibana> Kilos: you were saying?
[19:24] <Kilos> i was?
[19:24] <Kilos> what was i saying
[19:24] <Kilos> ??
[19:27] <hibana> you were talking about nog ene
[19:29] <Kilos> oh moenie loop vir jy my sjambok terug gee nie asb
[19:36] <hibana> Kilos: ek loop? Hoekom sal ek nou wil loop?
[19:36] <Kilos> o gaan jy bly
[19:37]  * hibana gaan vir die oom sit en loer wannerr hy slaap en waneer hy opstaan
[19:37] <Kilos> mooi
[19:45] <inetpro> wat maak die oom vandag?
[19:46] <Kilos> allerande goed
[19:52] <inetpro> superfly: do you think it would really matter whether a mailing list ends with @lists.launchpad.net or with @lists.ubuntu.com ?
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: let's stop whing and just do it
[19:58] <inetpro> whining*
[19:58] <Kilos> ok do it
[19:59] <Kilos> too much rtfs for me at this time
[19:59] <inetpro> lemme see whether I can even create a team as a non-official
[20:00] <Kilos> you are an official
[20:00] <Kilos> ai! all i taught you, and you still know nothing
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: give me a description
[20:01] <Kilos> of?
[20:02] <Kilos> africa team
[20:02] <inetpro> a sentence or two
[20:02] <Kilos> maybe with caps
[20:02] <Kilos> this team is responsible for the building and launching of ubuntu-africa.info
[20:02] <inetpro> no man
[20:03] <inetpro> no
[20:03] <Kilos> sigh
[20:03] <inetpro> this team is not for the web development
[20:03] <Kilos> what kinda sentence are you looking for
[20:03] <Kilos> oh
[20:03] <inetpro> this team is like the ubuntu-za mailing list team
[20:03] <Kilos> for what then
[20:03] <inetpro> anyone and everyone welcome
[20:04] <inetpro> or not?
[20:04] <Kilos> ya same as ours
[20:04] <Kilos> everyone is welcome to help newcomers to ubuntu and linux in general
[20:04] <hibana> dink oom, dink
[20:04] <hibana> gee vir die man goeie terugvoer
[20:05] <Kilos> and spread ubuntu community spirit as far as possible
[20:05] <Kilos> you want more?
[20:06] <inetpro>  Ubuntu South Africa is a community for all Ubuntu users, developers and enthusiasts in South Africa.
[20:06] <Kilos> and noobs
[20:06] <inetpro> Ubuntu Africa is a community for all Ubuntu users, developers and enthusiasts in Africa
[20:06] <Kilos> hehe
[20:06] <Kilos> yip
[20:06] <inetpro> copy, paste and edit action
[20:07] <Kilos> good that saves time
[20:07] <Kilos> i like copy pasting
[20:07] <inetpro>  Membership policy: Open Team, Delegated Team, Moderated Team or Restricted Team?
[20:07] <Kilos> open
[20:08] <inetpro> Open Team: Membership is inclusive; any user or team can join, and no approval is required.
[20:08] <Kilos> maybe moderated but i dont think thats necessary
[20:08] <inetpro> Delegated Team: Membership is inclusive; any user or team can join, but team administrators approve direct memberships.
[20:08] <inetpro> Moderated Team: Membership is exclusive; users and exclusive teams may ask to join.
[20:08] <Kilos> delegated
[20:08] <inetpro> yeah, I think so also
[20:09] <inetpro>  Subscription period?
[20:09] <Kilos> well
[20:09] <inetpro> Number of days a new subscription lasts before expiring. You can customize the length of an individual subscription when approving it. Leave this empty or set to 0 for subscriptions to never expire.
[20:09] <Kilos> long
[20:09] <inetpro> 2 years / 3 years?
[20:10] <Kilos> 3
[20:10] <inetpro> or more?
[20:10] <Kilos> what do you think
[20:10] <inetpro> Maaz: 3*365
[20:10] <Maaz> inetpro: 1095
[20:10] <inetpro> 3 is a long time
[20:10] <Kilos> not really
[20:10] <inetpro> what is it at ubuntu-za?
[20:11] <Kilos> look how many of our guys forgot to renew after 2 years
[20:11] <inetpro> don't we have to renew every year?
[20:11] <Kilos> 2 at za
[20:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:11] <hibana> oom, wat eg ons nou?
[20:11] <hibana> seg*
[20:12] <Kilos> ek dink 3
[20:12] <hibana> ai!
[20:12] <Kilos> wat
[20:12]  * hibana sukkel met die kappie
[20:12] <Kilos> if you want it for one year thats fine too
[20:12] <inetpro> ok, let's make that 3
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:13] <inetpro>  When someone's membership is about to expire, notify them and:
[20:13] <inetpro> invite them to apply for renewal, or
[20:13] <inetpro>  invite them to renew their own membership
[20:13] <Kilos> and make the renewal reminder a real nuisance one so it easier to renew than forget
[20:13] <Squirm> Hello
[20:13] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[20:13] <hibana> wb Squirm
[20:14] <Kilos> Squirm  you missing all the action
[20:14] <inetpro> I'd say invite them to renew their own membership
[20:14] <Kilos> ya thats fine
[20:14] <inetpro>  Self renewal period: (Optional) Number of days members can renew their own membership. The number can be from 1 to 3650 (10 years).
[20:15] <Kilos> this is on launchpad right?
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[20:15] <inetpro> Kilos: this is not the mailing list, just yet
[20:15] <Kilos> make that 3 years too then i think
[20:15] <Kilos> oh
[20:15] <inetpro> this is the LP team
[20:15] <Kilos> oh
[20:15] <Squirm> I never renewed because they reminder became a nuisance, it bugged me terribly
[20:15] <hibana> ja oom
[20:16] <Kilos> shame on you Squirm
[20:16] <hibana> hierdie is vir die loopplank
[20:16] <Kilos> renew on first reminder and its over
[20:16] <Squirm> No
[20:16] <Squirm> I'll renew when I want to renew :/
[20:16] <Kilos> ya but you forget
[20:17] <hibana> hmm...
[20:17] <inetpro> Squirm: I'm sure we can change it later, what do you suggest for now?
[20:17] <Kilos> when i get the first reminder i renew then its done
[20:17] <Squirm> 1 reminder a month before an another a day before?
[20:18] <Squirm> or three days before
[20:18] <inetpro> that's not the option
[20:18] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <inetpro> option is:
[20:18] <inetpro> Self renewal period: (Optional) Number of days members can renew their own membership. The number can be from 1 to 3650 (10 years)
[20:19] <Kilos> ya thats the period not the reminders
[20:20] <inetpro> shall I make that the maximum
[20:20] <inetpro> ?
[20:20] <Kilos> your choice
[20:20]  * hibana votes for maximum
[20:20] <Kilos> thats good for young guys
[20:20] <inetpro> Squirm: you've been outvoted
[20:21] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <inetpro> now please go join the team
[20:21] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[20:21] <Kilos> i think its lekker to not have to worry about renewing at all
[20:21] <Squirm> Yes, I like that idea
[20:22] <Squirm> Only thing is that it gets rid of people who aren;t active anymore
[20:22] <Squirm> which is a plus
[20:22] <Kilos> done
[20:22] <inetpro>  This team does not use Launchpad to host a mailing list.
[20:22]  * inetpro goes ahead to "Create a mailing list"
[20:22] <Kilos> g pro
[20:22] <Kilos> go too
[20:22] <Kilos> i need a new keyboard
[20:23] <Kilos> this one makes many typos
[20:23] <Kilos> hehe
[20:23] <inetpro> The mailing list is being created and will be available for use in a few minutes.
[20:28] <Kilos> inetpro  dont forget to add all this to your wiki page for you membership application hey
[20:28] <inetpro> Kilos: mailing list is there now
[20:28] <inetpro> refresh the page
[20:29] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[20:30] <Kilos> do you see me there
[20:31] <inetpro> yep
[20:31] <Kilos> yay i didnt break it
[20:32] <inetpro> Kilos: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-africa/msg00000.html
[20:33] <Kilos> well done sir
[20:33] <Kilos> ty
[20:33] <Kilos> now to add it with bzr
[20:34] <hibana> waarvan praat die oom nou?
[20:34] <Kilos> the list address to be added to site
[20:34] <Kilos> oh is that it
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: that is as simple as it gets
[20:35] <Kilos> wow
[20:36] <Kilos> good work young man ty
[20:36] <superfly> we have mailing lists with the site hosting too
[20:36] <Kilos> whew
[20:37] <Kilos> we forgot about that
[20:37] <Kilos> inetpro  comment
[20:37] <inetpro> superfly: oh, hmm...
[20:38] <inetpro> superfly: why you say that only now?
[20:38] <superfly> any mailing list will do
[20:38] <Kilos> lol
[20:38] <superfly> inetpro: uh, I've only just looked at IRC now?
[20:38] <inetpro> :-)
[20:39] <Kilos> now we need to dev a good advertising campain
[20:39] <inetpro> Kilos: did you receive my "Hello Africa" message?
[20:39] <Kilos> well duh
[20:40] <inetpro> in your mailbox
[20:40] <Kilos> duh
[20:40] <Kilos> of course
[20:40] <inetpro> duh?
[20:40] <inetpro> can you respond to test whether it works
[20:40] <inetpro> as a late subscriber the fly would not have gotten it
[20:41] <Kilos> it opens in chrome here
[20:41] <inetpro> no man, in thunderbird
[20:41] <inetpro> did you not get a message in thunderbird?
[20:42] <Kilos> i got the mail in thunderbird and ticked the link and it opened in chrome
[20:42] <inetpro> no, just reply
[20:43] <Kilos> i got three mails
[20:43] <Kilos> which one must i reply to
[20:44] <inetpro> the one with subject "Hello Africa"
[20:44] <inetpro> as for the others, RTFS
[20:44] <hibana> vertel hom inetpro
[20:44] <Kilos> lol i see im approved and admin
[20:44] <inetpro> \o/
[20:44] <Kilos> what does that mean
[20:45] <inetpro> it means you've read one of the messages
[20:45] <Kilos> i read all three
[20:45]  * inetpro joking
[20:45] <inetpro> Kilos: it means you will get to approve members when they want to subscribe
[20:45] <Kilos> but its useless i tick the subscribe link
[20:46] <Kilos> i understand that
[20:46] <Kilos> more work for me
[20:46] <hibana> inetpro: hy wil he jy moet alles doen
[20:46] <inetpro> ai!
[20:47] <Kilos> ja hibana  hy wil my gou dooi
[20:47] <Kilos> before renewal even
[20:47] <Kilos> i really like hibana  such and understanding young man
[20:48] <Kilos> and with good foresight
[20:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think you want to wait for me to approve each one of them
[20:48] <Kilos> inetpro  he sees right through you
[20:48]  * inetpro sometimes goes AWOL
[20:48] <Kilos> yaya ill do it
[20:49] <hibana> Kilos: daar's een uitstaande vraag
[20:49] <Kilos> ?
[20:50] <hibana> hy het vir jou gevra om die epos te antwoord met die onderwerp "Hello Africa"
[20:51] <inetpro> ai!
[20:51] <Kilos> i dont see that
[20:52] <inetpro> hmm..
[20:52] <inetpro> 04/12 22:40:06 <Kilos> duh
[20:52] <inetpro> 04/12 22:40:12 <Kilos> of course
[20:52] <Kilos> lol
[20:53] <inetpro> and that was after: 04/12 22:39:42 <inetpro> Kilos: did you receive my "Hello Africa" message?
[20:53] <Kilos> i see new mailing list and approved and admin
[20:53] <Kilos> i saw hello africa in browser
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: please check your SPAM folder
[20:54] <Kilos> even thats gone
[20:56] <Kilos> i have no idea how to do that in the bird
[20:56] <Kilos> done see spam anywhere
[20:56] <Kilos> oh up there
[20:56] <Kilos> sigh
[20:57] <inetpro> sigh?
[20:58] <inetpro> I clearly can't see my own message when I send it, question is whether subscribers receive it
[20:58] <Kilos> nope
[20:58] <inetpro> superfly: can you check your mailbox please
[20:58] <superfly> I see
[20:58]  * inetpro just sent a 2nd message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:59] <inetpro> can you reply to it please
[20:59] <superfly> oh, I don't see any mails from you yet, just approvals
[20:59] <Kilos> i have it
[20:59] <inetpro> hmm... maybe there's a bit of a delay
[21:00] <hibana> Kilos: you have it?
[21:00] <hibana> wb Tonberry
[21:00] <Kilos> mailing list , post to unsubscribe and more help
[21:01] <inetpro> huh uh!
[21:01] <Tonberry> hi
[21:01] <Kilos> 4 links in it
[21:01] <Kilos> Does this thing even land in subscriber's mailboxes?
[21:02] <inetpro> ah
[21:02] <inetpro> nou praat ons, waar het jy dit gesien Kilos?
[21:02] <Kilos> its working i think
[21:02] <inetpro> antwoord die ding
[21:02] <Kilos> bo die 4 lienks
[21:03] <inetpro> wat is die onderwerp?
[21:04] <inetpro> nnoooo!!!!!
[21:04] <Kilos> sigh
[21:04] <Kilos> i just hit reply
[21:04] <inetpro> Kilos: did it automatically select reply to Gustav?
[21:04] <inetpro> ai!
[21:04] <Kilos> yes
[21:05] <inetpro> ok
[21:05] <Kilos> i dont see an option for reply to list
[21:05] <inetpro> guess I can't have my cake and eat it
[21:05] <Kilos> lol
[21:06] <hibana> dis 'n begin Kilos , dis 'n begin
[21:06] <Kilos> ek stem
[21:06] <Kilos> doesnt lp give that option
[21:06] <hibana> vra nou vir al jou vriende an hulle maters om deel te neem
[21:07] <Kilos> se die pro moet daai links weer mooi hier na mekaar sit
[21:07] <inetpro> hibana: it's 'en' not 'an'
[21:08] <inetpro> Kilos: it's simple, just tell your friends to join us at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa
[21:09] <Kilos> oh just the one
[21:11] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[21:11] <inetpro> and btw, it's fixed
[21:12] <inetpro> E-mail notifications for this team should go to: The Launchpad mailing list for this team -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:12] <inetpro> was set to:  Each member individually
[21:12] <inetpro> Kilos: see your inbox now
[21:12] <Kilos> clever man
[21:12] <Kilos> first one joined already
[21:13] <hibana> Kilos: ek dink jy is die slim ene, daai inetpro outjie sukkel maar
[21:13] <inetpro> ai!
[21:14] <Kilos> nee man hy is baie slim, net n stoot nodig nou en dan hibana
[21:14] <Kilos> maar ons is nou twee so dit kan net beter gaan
[21:17] <inetpro> well done Kilos
[21:18] <inetpro> d4rk-5c0rp changed by msdomdonner from Proposed to Approved
[21:18] <Kilos> send a new testing, old one doesnt show options
[21:19] <Kilos> ah that was easy
[21:19] <Kilos> he is the other elacheche brother
[21:19] <Kilos> bedis and anis
[21:20] <Kilos> inetpro  i may be stupid but im not a fool
[21:20] <Kilos> just rtfs is hard work
[21:21] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... no, I think I misunderstood the option
[21:21] <Kilos> npe
[21:21] <Kilos> nope too
[21:22] <inetpro> I think that was to set the contact address for the admins
[21:22] <Kilos> still no list option
[21:22] <inetpro> don't see another place where I can change that
[21:23] <Kilos> look at lp help
[21:23] <Kilos> hehe
[21:23] <Kilos> google is your friend
[21:27] <Squirm> Maaz: ping
[21:27] <Maaz> Squirm: pong
[21:27]  * inetpro going to hit the sack
[21:28] <Kilos> night inetpro  ty for all the hard work
[21:28] <Kilos> sleep tight
[21:28] <hibana> Maaz: watch him
[21:28] <Maaz> I'll keep one eye on him for you hibana
[21:29] <Kilos> lol
[21:30] <Squirm> It seems my internet died
[21:30] <Squirm> But just my browsing
[21:30] <Kilos> hibana  jy moet ook gaan slaap
[21:30] <Kilos> wow Squirm
[21:30]  * Squirm shrugs
[21:31] <inetpro> Squirm: ??
[21:32] <Squirm> FNB and 22Seven won't load
[21:32] <Squirm> Seems other websites are though
[21:32] <inetpro> ahh...
[21:32] <inetpro> good night
[21:32] <Squirm> YouTube, Facebook, both alright
[21:32] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro
[21:32] <Squirm> Something died somewhere
[21:32] <Kilos> ty
[21:33] <Kilos> maybe they are on the load shedding path Squirm
[21:33] <Squirm> That's bad IT work then
[21:33] <Squirm> besides, Load Shedding ended at 10
[21:33] <Kilos> lol
[21:34] <Squirm> PING www.fnb.co.za (<IP_ADDRESS>): 56 data bytes
[21:34] <Squirm> Request timeout for icmp_seq 0
[21:34]  * Squirm shrugs
[21:34] <Squirm> Bed time I guess
[21:34] <Squirm> Chat tomorrow
[21:34] <Kilos> night lad
[21:45] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[03:11] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[10:43] <marcoagpinto> The cola demon!!!!
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> first clevo customer called, ill see if its about the kernel 5 flickering..
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> mail from my reseller he suggests to switch to 4.18 again and purge 5*
[11:01] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj! lotuspsychje! Hello my dear beloved brothers!
[11:02] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:02] <marcoagpinto> I am drinking some cola
[11:02] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:16] <pragmaticenigma> !uefi
[13:50] <pragmaticenigma> well, that escalated quickly
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> I don't think I'm wrong in that we shouldn't be attempting to support compiling in main... esepcially something like DKMS, shouldn't that be handled in #ubuntu-dev or similar? where there would be people more skilled for that topic?
[14:15] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: the problem was the user's own dkms.conf was wrong but that was due to a really poor Intel-provided Makefile
[14:15] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: if bviktor returns point them to http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6pj2hFYwXV/
[14:27] <jeremy31> Easier to fix dkms.conf than the Makefile
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> That's sort of my thought... we can help resolve a configuration file issue, but to help someone along with a compile of a system resource like that is really pushing the outer limits of the rooms purpose.
[14:32] <pragmaticenigma> I'd hate for a new user to come in, right in the middle of a topic like that and figure their problem isn't important enough and leave (or worse, decide Ubuntu isn't for them)
[14:35] <jeremy31> The Makefile and dkms.conf in rtl8812au-dkms might still be wrong
[14:51] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1838979
[14:51] <tomreyn> "[i915] framebuffer console flickers on 5.0.0 kernel"
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: wow, nice find mate
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: we should ask him to apport-collect right
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> updated bug #1838979
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> food time first :p
[15:24] <tomreyn> good that you asked. :)
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the notice tomreyn
[15:25] <tomreyn> model/type of computer will be in DMI: in the kernel log if he'll apport-collect, i guess. but it's probably good you asked in case he doesn't want to provide logs.
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> bbl in a bit
[15:25] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[20:09] <Bashing-om> UWN590 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue590 :D
[23:24] <tomreyn> sarnold: here's what i wrote to Intelo 7.5 hours ago after they posted those screenshots for the first time:
[23:24] <tomreyn> looks like bios bugs, is newer firmware available? this should tell you the exact model name and BIOS version:   journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'    # then you check on the computer support section of the website of the vendor for bios updates for this very model. the current firmware version is also listed during early boot (unless full screen logo is enabled, which can be disabled in bios setup or by hardware specific keys), as well as in
[23:24] <tomreyn> the bios setup. please consult the manual of the computer you acquired, this is not an #ubuntu but a ##hardware topic.
[23:25] <tomreyn> It is clearly a communication / focus issue, as Sven_vB pointed out.
[23:26] <tomreyn> this chat has been evolving in circles ever since. i gave up at some point, then EriC tried, and yet others. i don't see a solution.
[23:26] <tomreyn> certainly there's a solution to the technical issues.
[23:27] <sarnold> tomreyn: thanks -- nice to know that my initial reaction matched yours :)
[23:27] <sarnold> tomreyn: and I suspect you've saved me a fair chunk of future time, hehe
[23:27] <jeremy31> Anyone know why sudo apt update downloads some Content amd64 and others that are fairly large files?
[23:28] <tomreyn> sarnold: i'd be glad if so. ;)
[23:29] <tomreyn> jeremy31: maybe they aren't compressed on this apt repo? i think it's up to the repo maintainer to decide on compression (or not)
[23:29] <jeremy31> tomreyn: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic amd64 Contents (deb) [39.5 MB]
[23:30] <tomreyn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/
[23:30] <tomreyn> correct sized, and it's compressed
[23:31] <jeremy31> Is there a way to disable this?
[23:31] <tomreyn> apt-file needs this, do you have it installed?
[23:31] <jeremy31> tomreyn: I believe I installed apt-file
[23:31] <jeremy31> thanks
[23:32] <tomreyn> i assume it registers an apt hook so this is refreshed automatically on updates
[23:32] <tomreyn> but i don't know for sure
[23:33] <tomreyn> yes, exactly, it's in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50apt-file.conf
[23:33] <jeremy31> no wonder why it was hard to find
[23:34] <sarnold> while you're there, look around for the appstream stuff. I disabled that ages ago because it kept downloading huge tarballs of icons I never viewed
[23:35] <sarnold> if you're curious about this, you seem likely to be curious about that, too :)
[23:38] <tomreyn> oh nice, i was always wondering what that was
[23:38] <tomreyn> just the icons for the software store
[23:39] <tomreyn> in (up to, i assume) 5 formats + metadata.
[23:44] <tomreyn> wohoo, apt is fast again!
[23:49] <sarnold> yay :D
[23:50] <sarnold> I feel a bit bad about that -- I'm *really* not seeing what our users see. On the other hand, my god that was terrible and I have literally never seen those icons in use.
[23:54] <tomreyn> well i did. i want to understand what novice users get to see. and as it stands now, when they want to install additional software, they get to see icons from snap store and apt repos (snaps first), and that's how they then make choices.
[23:54] <tomreyn> assuming all is equal, of course
[23:56] <tomreyn> i assume ubuntus (canonicals) new single-brand software store will be more performant / efficient. (i'm not sure it will do better in terms of informing users about the results of their choices.)
[23:58] <OerHeks> i would love to see a menu 'apt/snap/flatpack/git*' in synaptic


[00:33] <jsalisbury> slangasek, sure thing
[00:33] <slangasek> thanks much :)
[00:37] <jsalisbury> slangasek, added to the kernel team hot list.
[00:38] <jsalisbury> slangasek, I also added our standard mainline kernel test request/blurb
[00:39] <slangasek> ah, right
[00:39] <slangasek> ok, will do that this weekend-ish
[00:41] <jsalisbury> slangasek, cool, thanks.  that just lets us know know if its already fixed in the mainline kernel.  If it is, we can cherry-pick the fix.
[02:21] <slangasek> xnox: hurray, I just tested in my VM and got the opposite result ;)
[02:25] <slangasek> ah, I didn't install linux-image-extra


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <geser> good morning dholbach
[07:19] <dholbach> hey geser
[08:21] <alo21> hi all
[08:23] <alo21> I have just read some guides.... and I am wondering what should I do now
[08:23] <alo21> can someone follow me for a short period of time?
[09:09] <FlowRiser> I want to see what's inside a library, can i do that ?
[09:10] <Zhenech> get the source?
[09:11] <FlowRiser> i have the source
[09:12] <FlowRiser> Zhenech: i got it using apt-get install liblightdm
[09:12] <FlowRiser> Zhenech, i'm sorry i'm a newb, is that the source ?
[09:13] <Zhenech> apt-get source liblightdm will give you the source
[09:14] <FlowRiser> Zhenech, i see, thanks
[09:14] <FlowRiser> Zhenech,  where will it save the source code ?
[09:14] <Zhenech> it will tell you :)
[09:14] <FlowRiser> Zhenech, thanks alot :D
[10:45] <alo21> hi..
[10:46] <alo21> when I am upgrading a package, should I put "quantal" as release?
[10:50] <alo21> yofel: could help me for a while?
[10:52] <tumbleweed> alo21: the release in the changelog is the release you are uploading to
[10:52] <tumbleweed> which is almost always going to be the development release, currently: quantal
[10:52] <alo21> tumbleweed: for example I am trying to fix this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gajim/+bug/1044292)
[10:53] <alo21> tumbleweed: Is a good idea to put 'quantal'?
[10:54] <tumbleweed> yes
[10:54] <alo21> tumbleweed: and as I learnd I should write 'new upstream' as a comment. Right?
[10:55] <alo21> new upstream release*
[10:55] <tumbleweed> yes, and then mention all teh packaging changes you had to make (if there are any)
[10:56] <alo21> tumbleweed: I have just applied the debdiff to the new version
[10:56] <alo21> tumbleweed: Should I list it?
[10:57] <tumbleweed> no, that's not a change
[10:57] <tumbleweed> does this new release have new features? or only bugfixes?
[10:58] <alo21> tumbleweed: how I know it?
[11:01] <alo21> tumbleweed: I did not introduce any other changes, a part joining the debdiff
[11:03] <tumbleweed> alo21: read the diff? look at the upstream commit history?
[11:04] <tumbleweed> from the changelog in the bug, the only potential issue looks like farsight -> farstream (I don't know enough about them to know offhand how invasive that is)
[12:15] <alo21> Nafallo:
[12:15] <alo21> Nafallo: hi.. I am fixing this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gajim/+bug/1044292)
[12:15] <alo21> and I create the package. Where should I upload it?
[12:18] <Nafallo> alo21: sorry. I haven't touched the package for years, and I probably haven't got upload rights anymore.
[12:18] <Nafallo> -EPERSON
[12:19] <mitya57> alo21: I think you should contact the current maintainer (check https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gajim for his name)
[12:19] <alo21> Nafallo: ok.. thanks
[12:21] <Nafallo> actually, looking at that page, we're using the debian package these days
[12:21] <Nafallo> alo21: don't touch it. the only thing necessary is getting it synced from debian :-)
[12:22] <Nafallo> what's the pre-release freeze currently in effect about?
[12:22] <alo21> Nafallo: I downloaded the source from the website (http://gajim.org/downloads.php?lang=en#tarball). Isn't right?
[12:22] <Nafallo> alo21: no
[12:23] <Nafallo> alo21: it's a sync from Debian these days. not an ubuntu package at all.
[12:23] <alo21> Nafallo: ok
[12:24] <Nafallo> we're in beta1 freeze?
[12:25] <Laney> yesyes
[12:25] <Laney> DOUBLE YES
[12:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:27] <Nafallo> so yeah, get it synced. it's a bugfix release :-)
[12:27] <Nafallo> gajim (0.15-1.1) unstable; urgency=high
[12:27] <Nafallo>   * Non-maintainer upload by the Security Team.
[12:27] <Nafallo>   * Fix CVE-2012-2093: insecure use of temporary files when convering LaTeX
[12:27] <Nafallo>     IM messages to png images. Closes: #668710
[12:27] <Nafallo>  -- Luk Claes <email address hidden>  Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:22:00 +0200
[12:27] <Nafallo> even better. security release.
[12:28] <Nafallo> should probably get synced to precise-security as well
[12:30] <alo21> Nafallo: So... reguarding ubuntu 12.10, I was able to upgrade package until July 5th. Right?
[13:42] <dholbach> lfaraone_, lfaraone__: do you know which version of the sugar source packages in Ubuntu should be current right now?
[13:42] <dholbach> it seems like there's a few merge proposals for older versions of it and I'm not quite sure if they should have been replaced or anything
[14:05] <ScottK> dholbach: Sugar is pretty unmaintained in Debian and Ubuntu ATM.  It's a mess.
[14:05] <dholbach> ok
[14:05] <dholbach> it just wasn't clear to me what to do with the packages that are in Ubuntu but not in Debian
[14:06] <dholbach> it's hard to figure out if they're needed somewhere
[14:07] <Laney> I mailed him about the packageset the other day and he indicated that the maintenance effort (at least in the distro) is no more
[14:07] <ScottK> I'd remove anything in Ubuntu that's not in Debian since no one in Ubuntu is looking after them.
[14:11] <alo21> can someone follow me step by step via this long trip?
[14:23] <jbicha> dholbach: I agree with ScottK, we should remove the old Sugar packages that were remove in Debian
[14:24] <dholbach> agrandi's fixes in http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ made me aware of it
[14:26] <jbicha> http://bugs.debian.org/674547
[14:33] <dholbach> there seem to be some 0.84 bits in the archive as well
[14:34] <DktrKranz> dholbach: ScottK: I had some conversations with Jonas, here are some useful bits: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2011-October/003723.html http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-olpc-devel/2012-May/003943.html
[14:35] <DktrKranz> also, that should clarify other versioned packages shouldn't be versioned at all
[14:35] <dholbach> great
[14:36] <tumbleweed> the ubuntu-only sugar bits do look fairly neglected http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/neglected/ (newest one was touched 2 years ago)
[14:36] <DktrKranz> that reminds me, I should ask for potential 0.88 removal


[08:46] <InHisName> early bird, jthan?
[08:47] <InHisName> Oh, wait, that was 3 in afternoon.
[09:19] <rmg51> Morning
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, turkeys, hamsters and everything else


[02:16] <jj-afk> back on later
[10:41] <Ntemis> hi
[10:41] <Ntemis> am facing a usb problem and i cant find a solution
[10:42] <Ntemis> my usb that has the server os on it gets disconnected randomly
[10:42] <Ntemis> i can post a log if anyone here can share a thought or 2
[10:44] <Krunch> pastbin
[10:45] <Ntemis> okey thanks
[10:47] <Ntemis> http://pastebin.de/15546
[10:50] <Ntemis> Feb 23 06:44:35 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  512.191039] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
[10:50] <Ntemis> Feb 23 06:44:51 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  528.790084] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[10:51] <Ntemis> Feb 23 15:10:02 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  131.011075] NFSD: Using /var/lib/nfs/v4recovery as the NFSv4 state recovery directory
[10:51] <Ntemis> Feb 23 15:10:02 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  131.012212] NFSD: starting 90-second grace period
[10:51] <Ntemis> Feb 23 15:10:33 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  162.375496] usb 4-1: input irq status -75  received
[10:51] <Ntemis> Feb 23 15:10:34 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  162.540077] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[10:58] <Ntemis> Feb 20 16:25:46 UBUNTUNAS kernel: [  946.790077] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[11:01] <Ntemis> any ideas?
[11:02] <Krunch> looking
[11:02] <Ntemis> thanks
[11:02] <Ntemis> if you need any other log please tell me
[11:11] <Krunch> this is your keyboard being disconnected
[11:11] <Krunch> the -75 error looks like the keyboard sending invalid usb message (EOVERFLOW)
[11:12]  * Krunch double check 2.6.37
[11:15] <Ntemis> keyboard was disconnected by me after i press enter
[11:16] <Krunch> ok, so what is the actual problem?
[11:16] <Ntemis> grub menu was not auto load the kernel so i had to connect keyboard so os would load
[11:16] <Krunch> well, the logs show the keyboard disconnecting after linux has booted
[11:16] <Ntemis> i loose connection with the server randomly
[11:16] <Krunch> do you have console access?
[11:16] <Ntemis> nope
[11:16] <Ntemis> nothing
[11:16] <Ntemis> no console no webgui access
[11:17] <Krunch> i mean do you normally have console access?
[11:17] <Ntemis> yes of course :)
[11:17] <Krunch> i mean like serial, ilo, drac,... (not ssh)
[11:17] <Ntemis> serial is disabled in bios
[11:17] <Ntemis> only ssh
[11:18] <Krunch> do you have root on another box on the same LAN?
[11:18] <Ntemis> didnt understand this
[11:18] <Ntemis> what do you mean
[11:20] <Krunch> your box is crahing or hanging, local logs are probably not reliable, there are ways around that to collect relevant, reliable data but it usually requires either console access or administrative access to a system on the same network
[11:20] <Ntemis> i have an openwrt router with 4 gbit lan and the server is connected to one of them
[11:20] <Ntemis> i have 3 pcs that can do that
[11:21] <Krunch> that said, there are still some interesting things in these logs (the hung task backtraces)
[11:23] <Krunch> i see 13 reboots between the 20th at 07:54 and the 26th at 10:41, can you tell which ones if any were normal scheduled reboots and which ones were result of the problem?
[11:23] <Ntemis> is there anything i can do from ssh to collect more info for you?
[11:23] <Ntemis> no reboots at all
[11:23] <Ntemis> i force shutdown
[11:24] <Krunch> ok
[11:24] <Ntemis> with hardware button
[11:24] <Ntemis> hmmm
[11:24] <Krunch> i don't think there is much more we can get when the system is running fine
[11:24] <Ntemis> ok let me clear this out
[11:24] <Ntemis> i have installed kernels from the mainline to test the hanging
[11:25] <Ntemis> the only kernel that holded was the <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:25] <Ntemis> 2.6.37 was the most hangfull
[11:25] <Ntemis> <IP_ADDRESS> is so so
[11:25] <Krunch> you never saw the problem with <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[11:26] <Ntemis> nope
[11:26] <Ntemis> rock solid but only for 3-4 days
[11:26] <Ntemis> after those i installed <IP_ADDRESS> and removed <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:27] <Ntemis> i have a small space and i need the mb
[11:27] <Ntemis> os is only on a 4gb usb flash drive
[11:28] <Krunch> ok, i would suggest to do the following
[11:28] <Krunch> setup kdump
[11:29] <Krunch> enable hung_task_panic
[11:29] <Krunch> enable nmi watchdog
[11:30] <Krunch> next time the problem happens, it is likely to cause a proper kernel panic and generate a vmcore (wherever you told kdump to put it)
[11:30] <Krunch> the vmcore will contain more informations about the cause of the crash
[11:30] <Krunch> right now there is not enough to determine what's going on
[11:30] <Ntemis> ok thanks
[11:30] <Krunch> although this is probably related: http://paste.debian.net/108901/
[11:30] <Ntemis> brb
[11:31] <Krunch> but that doesn't really tell us what is hanging
[11:31] <Ntemis> wife :)\
[11:33] <Krunch> (well, it's likely to be a storage problem but that can still be many things)
[12:03] <Ntemis> you still here?
[12:05] <Krunch> yes
[12:09] <Ntemis> klutch do you thing if i disable ipv6 will improve anything
[12:10] <Ntemis> Krunch: do you thing if i disable ipv6 will improve anything
[12:11] <Krunch> i don't see how this would change anything
[12:11] <Krunch> changing filesystem might help
[14:18] <PhoenixSTF> Hello guys, how do I make m HDD slow its transmition speed?
[14:44] <PhoenixSTF> apw, yout here m8?
[14:53] <Ntemis> hi
[14:53] <Ntemis> my kernel log reports i  must run the e2fsck
[14:53] <Ntemis> how i do that?
[14:53] <Ntemis> it read the hdd's must me unmounted
[14:54] <Ntemis> is there a command to check the hdds after a reboot?
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Ntemis: either boot using recovery menu or a live cd
[15:13] <Ntemis>          VVVVBFGVG G GGHGGHHHJK;
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Ntemis: was that a stroke or a mistake?
[15:44] <hallyn> the 2.6.38 kernels seem to make my vaio laptop fan always race, whereas 2.6.37-12 is nice and quiet...
[15:45] <Krunch> do you have the kernel logs at boot for each version?
[15:48] <hallyn> hm, i think so
[15:49] <hallyn> anything in particular i'd look for?
[15:50] <hallyn> acpi msgs look the same
[15:51] <hallyn> maybe i just need to tweak /sys/bus/acpi/drivers myself?
[15:51] <Krunch> that's the first thing i would have looked at but someone who actually knows something about acpi might find something by looking at other non obvious difference
[15:52] <hallyn> thx.  i'll take another closer look later, and file a bug if it persists
[18:46] <jj-afk> hallyn: what is the load like
[18:47] <jj-afk> yes, I am think acpi drivers too but I was curious if there are apparent load changes as well


[12:08] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ its uploaded
[12:08] <JohnnyMast> lets wait until it shows up
[12:09] <Hieronymus> Is there a good dput guide somewhere?
[12:09] <JohnnyMast> man dput
[12:09] <Seveas> on the wiki
[12:10] <Seveas> somewhere in the MOTU section :)
[12:10] <JohnnyMast> under REVU
[12:11] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ its there now
[12:16] <raphink> hmm
[12:16] <raphink> would be good if REVU passed comments as GET instead of POST
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> yes
[12:17] <raphink> so it doesn't send it again when you refersh the page
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> F5 produest a new post
[12:17] <raphink> hehe
[12:17] <raphink> yes
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> if ur monitoring ur posts
[12:17] <raphink> exactly
[12:17] <raphink> so it needs to be GET
[12:17] <JohnnyMast> we both had the same :)
[12:18] <raphink> but sistpoty is not around
[12:18] <raphink> JohnnyMast: all the time....
[12:18] <raphink> I always post twice because of this
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> raphink speaking of revu
[12:18] <raphink> I post a comment and watch the evolution of the package
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> there is one othe bug
[12:18] <raphink> JohnnyMast: hehe
[12:18] <raphink> what?
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> a typo
[12:18] <raphink> where?
[12:18] <JohnnyMast> for example
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> Package was uploaded from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:19] <JohnnyMast> its uploaded BY
[12:19] <raphink> oh in REVU you mean
[12:19] <raphink> yes
[12:19] <raphink> we ought to collect all this for sistpoty
[12:19] <JohnnyMast> well revu to mailing
[12:19] <raphink> I filed bugs aswell
[12:19] <raphink> about the fact that packagers can advocate their uploads
[12:20] <raphink> and that index.* files are interpreted by apache which is not nice and could be avoided
[12:20] <JohnnyMast> i have read the revu2 TODO
[12:20] <JohnnyMast> and thats in there already
[12:21] <raphink> good :)
[12:21] <raphink> well the GET is really a must
[12:22] <JohnnyMast> yeah man :)
[12:22] <raphink> :)
[12:22] <raphink> I love open-source because often you don't have issues, you have solutions :)
[12:23] <raphink> with proprietary software, you just have bugs
[12:23] <raphink> with open-source, you have fixes :)
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> yes you got that right
[12:23] <raphink> and you can discuss with with guys about why it doesn't work
[12:23] <JohnnyMast> not to mention mad ppl who use the software
[12:23] <raphink> and how to fix it
[12:23] <raphink> yes
[12:23] <raphink> well there are mad people in open-source aswell
[12:24] <raphink> but you can just tell them that if they're not happy
[12:24] <slomo_> humans are mad by definition ;)
[12:24] <raphink> they're
[12:24] <raphink> 1) free to not use it
[12:24] <raphink> 2) happily invited to fix
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> well they are just A) twsted or B) blackhat
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> i had a lot of B)
[12:24] <JohnnyMast> lot of exposers on my prev devel
[12:24] <raphink> hehe
[12:25] <raphink> yes
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> those are not our kind of ppl
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> they pic a bug and try every thing to make fun of the author
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> and dont contact him
[12:25] <raphink> patch to get all levels in Prince of Persia on Macintosh
[12:25] <JohnnyMast> well yes they do but only when they made fun of him
[12:27] <raphink> mhm
[12:27] <raphink> well I'd reckon that blackhats can be very good hackers
[12:28] <raphink> I remember having had to hack in assembly 68k
[12:28] <raphink> a compiled program
[12:28] <raphink> that's harder than hacking bash, perl or python
[12:28] <raphink> ;)
[12:28] <raphink> so when blackhats turn good eventually
[12:28] <raphink> it's a great opportunity for us ;)
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> raphink you dont have to be blackhat for that
[12:29] <JohnnyMast> a 2600 hacker is white like kevin
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> well
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> no not kevin he was black
[12:30] <raphink> lol
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> but
[12:30] <JohnnyMast> hacking a cellphone is easy enough for every one
[12:30] <raphink> indeed
[12:30] <raphink> or most small points cards they give when you buy fuel
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> im hacking as well atm
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> as in reverce engeneering
[12:31] <JohnnyMast> for ubuntu
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> a new project im trying to start
[12:32] <raphink> oh nice
[12:32] <raphink> what is that?
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> the sony net hd walkman
[12:32] <JohnnyMast> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnnyMast/snwhd-1
[12:32] <raphink> ooo
[12:33] <raphink> sony :(
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> ipod bleg
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> better sony then an ipod
[12:33] <raphink> hmm maybe
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> besides ipod is nothing new but soo wanted
[12:33] <JohnnyMast> i dont get it
[12:33] <Hieronymus> just buy an ogg vorbis player
[12:34] <raphink> yes
[12:34] <Hieronymus> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
[12:34] <raphink> iriver for example
[12:34] <slomo_> for example some iriver player ;)
[12:34] <raphink> or samsung
[12:34] <raphink> yes
[12:34] <raphink> kio-iriver powa :)
[12:34] <JohnnyMast> you will be happy when i hack the damm device
[12:34] <slomo_> what for? ;) mount them as normal ums device
[12:35] <JohnnyMast> to me ?
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ ??
[12:36] <raphink> JohnnyMast: no
[12:36] <raphink> JohnnyMast: for iriver
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> ok
[12:36] <raphink> no need for kio
[12:36] <slomo_> JohnnyMast: ?
[12:36] <JohnnyMast> slomo_ ?
[12:36] <slomo_> confusion  :P
[12:37] <JohnnyMast> lol yeah well drop it :p
[12:37] <raphink> JohnnyMast: !
[12:37] <raphink> slomo_: !
[12:37] <JohnnyMast> raphink ?
[12:37] <JohnnyMast> :p
[12:39] <JohnnyMast> im gonna play call of duty 2 in a few
[12:40] <raphink> :)
[12:40] <raphink> here is call of dirty
[12:40] <raphink> but I'm too tired to clean
[12:40] <JohnnyMast> any one intested playing over a vpn once (hence pirate software)
[12:40] <raphink> no
[12:40] <JohnnyMast> i cant use my key on public servers
[12:41] <raphink> I'd rather play wesnoth
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> wesnoth whats htat?
[12:41] <JohnnyMast> also a war game ?
[12:41] <Hieronymus> JohnnyMast: fantasy turn-based RPG
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> like final fantacy ?
[12:42] <JohnnyMast> ooh rpg
[12:44] <JohnnyMast> ok guys the ttb package is updated have fun my fingers are itching to kill some germans
[12:44] <JohnnyMast> i mean ww2 germans
[12:45] <JohnnyMast> the bad
[12:46] <raphink> yeah yeahj
[12:46] <raphink> Hieronymus: do you play wesnoth?
[12:47] <JohnnyMast_AFK> sleep well raphink and all the others
[12:47] <raphink> thanks
[12:48] <seth_k|lappy> you give really good comments on REVU packages, raphink :)
[12:48] <raphink> thanks seth_k|lappy I do my best
[12:48] <raphink> and I'm often wrong
[12:48] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[12:49] <seth_k|lappy> do you have time to help me know how to solve one?
[12:49] <seth_k|lappy> (of your comments)
[12:49] <raphink> well as I'm eating maybe
[12:49] <raphink> but after that I'll go to bed
[12:49] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[12:49] <raphink> cause I have to wake up in 5 hours and drive
[12:49] <seth_k|lappy> no worries, some other time
[12:49] <Hieronymus> raphink: sometimes
[12:49] <raphink> that's terrible
[12:49] <raphink> Hieronymus: ok :)
[12:52] <seth_k|lappy> have a safe drive raphink, and I will ping you about it some other time :)
[12:52] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: if you have just a few questions about what I mean or so
[12:52] <raphink> I can explain now
[12:53] <seth_k|lappy> well, with kat http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1177 I know how to handle all the comments except cleaning those Makefiles. I don't know how to do that.
[12:53] <raphink> it's not the easier part
[12:53] <raphink> what I'd suggest
[12:53] <raphink> is to remove them in the clean rule in debian/rules
[12:53] <raphink> with rm -f series
[12:54] <raphink> then try to build twice
[12:54] <raphink> to check if removing these files at clean doesn't affect build
[12:54] <raphink> (if they are generated each time it's ok)
[12:54] <raphink> if they aren't generated, then you need to call automake/autoconf manually
[12:55] <raphink> either by using the DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_X flags (didn't work for me)
[12:55] <raphink> or by restoring the makefiles running a make -f Makefile.cvs
[12:55] <seth_k|lappy> okay, well I used this to remove them: find . -name "Automake.in" -exec rm {} \;
[12:55] <raphink> so $(MAKE) -f Makefile.cvs to have it clean in debian/rules
[12:55] <raphink> could be fine aswell seth_k|lappy
[12:56] <raphink> the point is that once you have added the clean rule to remove them
[12:56] <raphink> you should check
[12:56] <raphink> 1) if the pb is solved :
[12:56] <raphink> run debuild && debuild -S -sa
[12:56] <raphink> and check the diff for files outside debian/
[12:56] <seth_k|lappy> right
[12:56] <raphink> 2) if the package builds twice (debuild without arguments)
[12:56] <raphink> to be sure it doesn't remove files that cannot be regenerated
[12:57] <raphink> or that would have to be regenerated manually
[12:57] <raphink> in knmap, I had to add a pre-build rule in debian/rules
[12:57] <raphink> to regenerate them
[12:57] <raphink> it that enough clues to get to work ? ;)
[12:58] <raphink> hi crimsun
[12:58] <seth_k|lappy> hehe, I think so :) and I'm sure someone will help me if I can't get something
[12:58] <seth_k|lappy> thanks again raphink
[12:59] <crimsun> hi raphink
[12:59] <crimsun> wow, xchat-gnome kicks the junk out of xchat
[12:59] <raphink> you're welcome seth_k|lappy
[12:59] <raphink> ;)
[01:00] <raphink> when do they release xchat-kde ?
[01:00] <crimsun> dunno ;)
[01:00] <raphink> hehe
[01:01] <raphink> crimsun: do you have some time to look at one or two packages?
[01:02] <crimsun> raphink: I will later tonight, heading out
[01:02] <raphink> ok
[01:02] <raphink> shall I leave you some urls ?
[01:03] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[01:03] <crimsun> raphink: just say them here and I'll check the irclog
[01:03] <raphink> ok
[01:03] <crimsun> cya later
[01:03] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105
[01:03] <raphink> and
[01:04] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1209
[01:04] <raphink> :)
[01:04] <crimsun> ok.
[01:05] <Genosse_Darklord> Hi, any maintainer for the bzflag package in ubuntu here?
[01:06] <Genosse_Darklord> or does anyone know, how to report a bug in this package?
[01:06] <raphink> hi Genosse_Darklord && Amaranth
[01:06] <raphink> Genosse_Darklord: malone
[01:06] <Hieronymus> Genosse_Darklord: http://launchpad.net/malone/distros/ubuntu
[01:06] <raphink> http://launchpad.net/malone
[01:06] <Amaranth> hey
[01:06] <Amaranth> Hieronymus: Is that your last name?
[01:07] <Hieronymus> Genosse_Darklord: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/bzflag/+filebug
[01:07] <Hieronymus> Amaranth: what? Hieronymus ? No
[01:07] <Amaranth> i know someone with that last name
[01:07] <Hieronymus> My first name is Jeroen, but Jeroen Dekkers already registered that..
[01:09] <hub> hi
[01:09] <hub> who is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:11] <slomo_> sistpoty
[01:11] <raphink> and he's not only
[01:11] <raphink> online
[01:11] <raphink> well not here at least
[01:12] <hub> because he left some comment on a package on REVU, and one of them, I have doubts.
[01:12] <raphink> ok guys
[01:13] <raphink> good night
[01:13] <raphink> I'm going
[01:13] <Hieronymus> good morning!
[01:13] <Genosse_Darklord> later
[01:13] <hub> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=840 <- the comment about the -dbg content that he did
[01:15] <slomo_> hub: the /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libiptcdata.so.0.3.0 should be /usr/lib/libiptcdata.so.0.3.0
[01:15] <slomo_> afaik
[01:15] <slomo_> but better read about this in the policy
[01:17] <hub> slomo: I'll read the policy, but it is a debug library, and the other debug library do that AFAIK
[01:17] <hub> slomo_: I just check the other packaged. I'll re-read the policy anyway
[01:20] <slomo_> anyway... gn8 everybody :)
[03:11] <seth_k|lappy> when using the DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_blah variable in debian/rules, how can I install two manpages? (the .deb contains two binaries)
[03:13] <crimsun> that looks like cdbs
[03:13] <crimsun> normally with vanilla debhelper, you'd just pass the man pages as parameters to the dh_installman call in debian/rules
[03:14] <crimsun> otherwise you can use debian/package.manpages
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> right, it's cdbs
[03:16] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, this is a verrrry cdbs'd package; none of the dh_* calls are there
[03:32] <zakame> hi all!
[03:32] <crimsun> re zak
[03:33] <jdong> greetings
[03:33] <zakame> hi crimsun
[03:33] <zakame> hi jdong
[04:29] <seth_k|lappy> is there anyone awake right now with access to tiber? One of my uploads failed in the middle, and now REVU is choking when I try to re-upload. And dcut'ing a .commands file apparently isn't working.
[04:36] <crimsun> zakame: no need to proxy requests to elmo. In fact, he becomes rather displeased. Just ask for them.
[04:36] <zakame> crimsun: oh, k. Will keep that in mind then ;)
[04:37] <zakame> gtg, lunch :D
[04:37] <crimsun> :)
[04:38] <zakame> thanks again crimsun :)
[04:38] <crimsun> no sweat :)
[05:01] <Sepheebear> what configfile is responsible for giving the values of distribution?
[05:02] <Sepheebear> when i edit a changelog, vi shows red if i put in "dapper" as the distribution
[05:03] <Sepheebear> but if i put in "breezy" or "unstable" its fine
[05:23] <minghua> Sepheebear: I believe you just need a newer version (the one in dapper, for example) of vim
[05:23] <minghua> Sepheebear: vim (1:6.4-001+2ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low ... * Add 'dapper' to the list of supported distribution keywords.
[05:25] <Sepheebear> ahh i wanna know where was that change was made, there has to be a config somewhere
[05:26] <Sepheebear> but thanks at least now i know im looking at vim
[05:39] <raphink> seth_k|lappy: you need to use dput -f or remove the .upload
[05:40] <seth_k|lappy> raphink, I tried dput -f, no go
[05:41] <raphink> did you try removing the .upload or renaming it?
[05:41] <seth_k|lappy> how would I do that? I tried using dcut, but tiber doesn't appear to be set up to handle .commands
[05:43] <seth_k|lappy> raphink, I get: Uploading via ftp kat_0.6.4-0ubuntu1.dsc: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of kat_0.6.4-0ubuntu1.dsc
[05:43] <seth_k|lappy> because my connection dropped mid-upload :P
[05:53] <raphink> see with sistpoty about that when he's online seth_k|lappy
[05:53] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, was what I planned. siretart though, isn't it?
[05:53] <raphink> oh whoever ;)
[05:53] <raphink> not me though ;)
[05:54] <raphink> siretart would be able to help, too
[05:54] <raphink> and dholbach aswell I believe
[05:54] <seth_k|lappy> go on, ping them all why don't you :P
[05:54] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[05:55] <raphink> but I think they're all europeans (as I am)
[05:55] <raphink> and it's not really hacking time here ;)
[05:56] <raphink> (as far as hacking time could be held at 6 AM)
[05:56] <seth_k|lappy> ah well
[05:56] <seth_k|lappy> I did fix all your comments on kat raphink :)
[05:56] <seth_k|lappy> so it should be good to go
[05:56] <raphink> ok that's good :)
[05:57] <raphink> I'll have a look when I'm back
[05:57] <raphink> in two days that is ;)
[05:58] <raphink> unless you get it advocated before that
[06:00] <raphink> haha
[06:00] <raphink> well comments are not here as sanctions
[06:00] <raphink> we don't want just good packages in ubuntu
[06:00] <raphink> we want great ones ;)
[06:01] <raphink> the better packages leave REVU
[06:01] <raphink> and better packages get to NEW
[06:01] <raphink> the better packages get in universe
[06:01] <raphink> ;)
[06:12] <raphink> I'm gone
[06:12] <raphink> bye guys
[06:47] <crimsun> 'night, back later.
[07:11] <Sepheebear> anywhere know of a nice bzr how-to?
[07:13] <ajmitch> Sepheebear: on bazaar.canonical.com ?
[07:14] <Sepheebear> thanks ajmitch coudnt find one on the wiki
[07:14] <ajmitch> hm
[07:14] <ajmitch> there ought to be at least 1 or 2 good tutorials on there
[07:14] <ajmitch> last I looked there were
[07:16] <Sepheebear> i was doing a title search
[07:17] <ajmitch> http://bazaar.canonical.com/IntroductionToBzr is a start
[07:17] <ajmitch> which I found on http://bazaar.canonical.com/BzrDocumentation
[07:52] <ajmitch> sigh, this box has rebooted about 5 times in the last 30 min
[07:53] <ajmitch> damn overheating :(
[08:11] <lifeless> heh
[08:11] <jsgotangco> don't abuse it!
[08:12] <lifeless> here, have my spare heat
[08:12] <lifeless> we have tonnes
[08:15] <ajmitch> no no, I've got more than enough heat for this computer
[08:23] <jsgotangco> ciao
[10:51] <\sh> moins
[11:56] <jpatrick> any MOTUs around?
[11:59] <ajmitch> maybe
[12:00] <jpatrick> ajmitch: I need one more person to look @ http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1214
[12:06] <ajmitch> the 'maybe' being that it's midnight here :)
[12:11] <StevenK> Heh
[12:11] <StevenK> ajmitch: How can I find out who is to blame for a sync?
[12:11] <StevenK> wnn6-sdk 1.0.0-13 was synced, and it had no hope in high hell of building, but it was synced anyway.
[12:27] (StevenK/#ubuntu-motu) By your reasoning I shouldn't even merge xemacs since emacs exists.
[12:27] (StevenK/#ubuntu-motu) Mithrandir: You know that argument is crap, but you still play the tune.
[12:28] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-motu) StevenK: sorry, I'm bored. :-)
[12:28] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-motu) and angry
[12:28] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-motu) I should just go an play ET or something
[12:28] <StevenK> ET?
[12:29] <StevenK> I'd play the PS2, but my wife and mother-in-law are watching a DVD.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> enemy territory.
[12:30] <StevenK> Ahhh
[01:29] <thierry> I need to package something that uses ruby to build with stuff like "ruby install.rb config", cdbs can't help me there right?
[01:43] <thierry> Kyral : I need to package something that uses ruby to build with stuff like "ruby install.rb config", cdbs can't help me there right?
[02:43] <azeem> lifeless: do we really need debhelper (>= 5) for opensync?  It breaks building for breezy
[02:45] <lifeless> azeem: the -dbg support
[02:45] <lifeless> azeem: how does it break on breezy?
[02:46] <slomo> breezy has only debhelper 4
[02:46] <lifeless> meh.
[02:46] <lifeless> slomo: you running breezy ?
[02:47] <slomo> no
[02:47] <lifeless> azeem: are you?
[02:47] <azeem> yes
[02:47] <lifeless> can you look at man debhelper
[02:48] <azeem> I'll just backport it
[02:48] <lifeless> see if it has compat level 5?
[02:48] <azeem> btw, I think we need a Build-Depend on libtool
[02:48] <lifeless> if it does, we can reduce the dependency
[02:48] <lifeless> yes, we do
[02:48] <azeem> it builds fine if I just loosen the Build-Depends
[02:48] <azeem> let me check the -dbg package
[02:49] <azeem> well, there are files in /usr/lib/debug
[02:49] <lifeless> ok
[02:49] <lifeless> make it the debhelper you have or greater then ;0
[02:50] <azeem> >= 4.9.0 might be fine, according to the changelog
[02:51] <lifeless> not much point installing .la files for the plugins huh
[02:51] <azeem> right
[02:52] <azeem> I started packaging as well, btw
[02:52] <lifeless> cool
[02:53] <lifeless> I'm doing irmc at the moment
[02:53] <azeem> I did evo, palm, file and irmc so far
[02:53] <lifeless> oh, doh
[02:54] <azeem> and multisync0.90
[02:54] <lifeless> where are your packages? I want the file, evo & irmc ones :)
[02:54] <seth_k|lappy> siretart, are you about? I have a half-uploaded file that is borking my revu upload that I need deleted :)
[02:55] <seth_k|lappy> siretart, never mind, looks like somebody already handled it
[02:55] <azeem> lifeless: I can upload the source package somewhere, I'm currently rebuilding against breezy to test
[02:55] <siretart> seth_k|lappy: I did that earlier today, there is a kat upload currently in incoming
[02:55] <lifeless> azeem: yes please!
[02:55] <seth_k|lappy> siretart, thank you, sorry about that :)
[02:55] <seth_k|lappy> reuploading now and it's working fine
[02:56] <siretart> seth_k|lappy: the ftp server config is shit, I know. perhaps I should use something else than vs-ftpd
[02:56] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[03:02] <azeem> lifeless: so I wonder what to do with the plugins WRT package deps
[03:02] <azeem> lifeless: how about libopensync0 Recommends them all, and opensync also gets an empty meta-package libopensync-plugin-all, which Depends: on all?
[03:03] <lifeless> azeem: I'm really not sure either
[03:10] <azeem> ok, let's see how this opensync stuff works
[03:13] <lifeless> azeem: package names
[03:13] <lifeless> what do you think of opensync-plugin-* rather than libopensync-plugin-*
[03:13] <lifeless> (they dont provide directly usable libraries themselves)
[03:14] <azeem> sounds good
[03:15] <lifeless> are you publish bzr branches of these ?
[03:19] <lifeless> ok
[03:19] <lifeless> msynctool --listplugins
[03:19] <lifeless> Available plugins:
[03:19] <lifeless> file-sync
[03:19] <lifeless> azeem: yay
[03:19] <azeem> well, I don't get the GUI to work
[03:19] <azeem> opening evo2-sync plugin
[03:19] <azeem> Unable to find MSyncPlugin (evo2-sync)!!!
[03:19] <lifeless> mmm
[03:19] <lifeless> is that its gui plugin
[03:20] <lifeless> or the opensync plugin?
[03:20] <lifeless> (it looks like there are parallel plugins, one for the gui one for the engine
[03:20] <azeem> hrm
[03:21] <azeem> wow, the multisync-0.90 tarball includes object files
[03:21] <lifeless> muahha
[03:21] <lifeless> thats why I go from svn :)
[03:21] <lifeless> much cleaner
[03:22] <lifeless> oh eek
[03:22] <lifeless> does cdbs do vpath builds and warnings on uninstalled files?
[03:23] <azeem> vpath == build-out-of-srcdir?
[03:23] <azeem> then yes
[03:23] <lifeless> yes
[03:23] <azeem> well, not by default
[03:25] <lifeless> would you mind if we don't use cdbs ? It still feels far too magic to me
[03:25] <lifeless> completely up to you, just asking
[03:26] <azeem> haha, msynctool --configure S55 1 drops me in vi
[03:27] <azeem> and presents some XML
[03:27] <lifeless> yeah
[03:27] <azeem> lifeless: sure
[03:27] <lifeless> low-level :)
[03:29] <azeem> hrm msynctool --sync segfaults
[03:29] <lifeless> garh
[03:30] <lifeless> ok, I have what looks roughly sane for a irmc w/o cdbs
[03:31] <azeem> ok, I'll snatch your rules, and update the other plugins with it
[03:32] <lifeless> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/opensync/plugin-irmc-0.18-debian-dir/
[03:32] <lifeless> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/opensync/plugin-irmc-0.18/ <- the upstream I exported the tarball from
[03:33] <lifeless> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/opensync/plugin-irmc-0.18-debian/ the debian dir itself
[03:33] <lifeless> but give me a minute, I'll upload the literal files
[03:34] <lifeless> god bless configure-in-diffs
[03:35] <lifeless> http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/opensync/packages/
[03:35] <azeem> what did you have to change in configure.in?
[03:35] <lifeless> in this case nothing, but svn does not have configure
[03:35] <azeem> oh, ok.  I used their tarballs
[03:36] <lifeless> (but it also does not have .o files :))
[03:36] <azeem> ok, I need to go do some christmas shopping now
[03:36] <azeem> laters
[03:36] <lifeless> ok
[03:37] <lifeless> I'll see if the walkthrough works without segfaulting for me
[03:38] <lifeless> works for me
[03:38] <lifeless> msynctool --sync filefile
[03:38] <lifeless> Synchronizing group "filefile"
[03:38] <lifeless> Member 1 of type file-sync had an error while connecting: Unable to open directory /tmp/filefile
[03:38] <lifeless> Member 2 of type file-sync had an error while connecting: Unable to open directory /tmp/filefile2
[03:38] <lifeless> All clients have disconnected
[03:38] <lifeless> The sync failed: Unable to connect one of the members
[03:38] <lifeless> Error synchronizing: Unable to connect one of the members
[03:38] <lifeless> and works with the dirs existing
[03:39] <azeem> could well be irmc, I didn't change the configuration
[03:40] <lifeless> ok
[03:40] <lifeless> I'll try irmc now
[03:41] <lifeless> did you set irname ?
[03:50] <lifeless> azeem: it ran
[03:50] <lifeless> azeem: no segfault.
[03:50] <lifeless> I had configured the plugin
[04:04] <lifeless> night all
[04:05] <lifeless> irmc is not crashing but not working
[04:05] <lifeless> I think I need the gui to configur eit
[04:13] <ogra> hmm, i would so like to know why willow needs python-profiler ...
[04:13] <ogra> isnt a profiler only used for debugging ?
[04:33] <siretart> ogra: what is willow?
[04:33] <ogra> the coolest proxy i know ...
[04:34] <ogra> small, quick and written in python ...
[04:34] <Kyral> Morning
[04:34] <ogra> it uses bayesian filtering instead of urllists, so no maintenance needed, its self learning
[04:35] <ogra> i'D love to include it in main for edubuntu. but it depends on python-profiler and i dont know why ...
[06:19] <JohnnyMast> hi TheMuso
[06:32] <JohnnyMast> TheMuso would you like to review ttb ?
[07:26] <shawarma> wtf.... I have start times in my ps output that are 35 in the future.
[07:29] <shawarma> wow, it's quiet in here today.
[07:52] <JohnnyMast> is every one out in the pub or something ?
[07:57] <LaserJock> JohnnyMast: getting ready for Christmas vacation ;-)
[07:58] <JohnnyMast> wow cool can i join you ?
[07:59] <LaserJock> not unless you come to NV, USA
[08:00] <JohnnyMast> if you pay my trip :p
[08:00] <JohnnyMast> then ile sign your key
[08:02] <LaserJock> hmm, that almost sounds tempting ;-) but no I gotta pay for my trip so I'll be broke
[08:06] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[08:16] <JohnnyMast> any reviewer alive ?
[08:17] <Treenaks> no, they all dropped dead when they saw your package
[08:17] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> i saw you on the fosdem list
[08:20] <JohnnyMast> just a sec ago
[08:22] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[08:22] <JohnnyMast> hi Gloubiboulga
[08:23] <JohnnyMast> everything okey ?
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> well... I'll say yes :)
[08:26] <JohnnyMast> :)
[08:26] <JohnnyMast> good to hear
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> hum, dpkg-buildpackage failed!...
[08:31] <Gloubiboulga> I should have wait a little before answering you
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> whats the building problem ?
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> it's a dpkg-source problem: unrepresentable changes to source
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> I was running debuils -S -sa, after the .deb build
[08:33] <Gloubiboulga> debuild*
[08:34] <JohnnyMast> aaah
[08:34] <JohnnyMast> well then you added of deleted files
[08:34] <JohnnyMast> they are mostly warnings
[08:35] <Gloubiboulga> I've got several warnings like : dpkg-source: cannot represent change to obj/linux/main_widget.o: binary file contents changed
[08:36] <Hieronymus> Gloubiboulga: does make clean work correctly?
[08:36] <JohnnyMast> or maybe you did sudo debuild before
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> nop...
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> I have just seen why
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> so you dont have permissions to get the changes working
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> hmmm
[08:37] <JohnnyMast> can you upload a buildlog in paste bin for us ?
[08:37] <Gloubiboulga> I just have to change the order of 2 commands I think
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> I remove Makefile before running `make clean` in debian/rules
[08:39] <Gloubiboulga> it's not a good idea ;)
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> wait
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> why dont you call distclean in clean ?
[08:39] <JohnnyMast> instead of make clean ?
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> (if you had it that way)
[08:40] <Gloubiboulga> There's no rule in for makefile for distclean
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> hmm thats a shame
[08:40] <JohnnyMast> because that would work like a charm then only thing you had to remove where the stamps
[08:42] <Gloubiboulga> I'll ask upstream to add this
[08:42] <JohnnyMast> good good
[08:43] <Gloubiboulga> it works fine now
[08:44] <JohnnyMast> good news to hear :)
[08:44] <Gloubiboulga> JohnnyMast, Hieronymus, thanks for your help
[08:44] <JohnnyMast> Gloubiboulga come over when ever you like
[08:44] <Gloubiboulga> I will :)
[08:44] <JohnnyMast> oki
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> raphink helped me a lot these days on #ubuntu-fr
[08:45] <Gloubiboulga> I really like the ubuntu spirit :D
[08:46] <JohnnyMast> yes its a comunity, you dont see that any else where in an os
[08:46] <JohnnyMast> well maybe firefly bsd
[08:47] <JohnnyMast> my builder is bitching as well
[08:48] <JohnnyMast> last time i had to patch setup.py
[08:52] <Gloubiboulga> I'm uploading the source package on REVU
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> awsome what are you packing ?
[08:52] <Gloubiboulga> jargoninformatique
[08:52] <Gloubiboulga> it's a french dictionary
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> perl ?
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> nop
[08:53] <Gloubiboulga> c++
[08:53] <JohnnyMast> aaah right
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> in doing a c++ package now as well
[08:56] <JohnnyMast> on kryptor a package by my own team. wich is already in fedora and gentoo
[08:57] <Gloubiboulga> congratulations :)
[08:57] <JohnnyMast> Gloubiboulga thanks very much
[09:03] <JohnnyMast> i cant access you package dir
[09:04] <Gloubiboulga> same for me...
[09:04] <JohnnyMast> how was that before
[09:04] <JohnnyMast> was it always like this ?
[09:05] <Gloubiboulga> I don't really know...
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> I'm sorry, I have to leave now...
[09:06] <JohnnyMast> thats okey have fun this weekend
[09:06] <Gloubiboulga> Thanks :)
[09:06] <JohnnyMast> :)
[09:09] <JohnnyMast> thats strange ... pbuilder cant find libx11-dev when downloading deps
[09:11] <seth_k|lappy> sudo pbuilder update
[09:11] <JohnnyMast> did that already, its fixed now
[09:11] <JohnnyMast> but after it was download and installed i get this
[09:11] <JohnnyMast> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:40] <minghua> crimsun: ping
[10:41] <crimsun> minghua: pong
[10:42] <minghua> crimsun: just to give you an update on the rebuild status (libstdc++ transition) of scim related packages
[10:42] <crimsun> ok
[10:42] <minghua> crimsun: scim-tables was synced from unstable today
[10:43] <minghua> scim-pinyin and scim-uim should have new debian upload in two weeks
[10:43] <eruin> \sh_away, you're in dire need of new blogging software ;)
[10:44] <crimsun> minghua: ok
[10:44] <minghua> so if there is no urgent requests, the packages that needs rebuild uploads should be -anthy, -canna, -chewing, -prime, -skk and mlterm
[10:44] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:44] <minghua> hi sistpoty
[10:45] <crimsun> minghua: just strictly rebuilds and no other changes?
[10:46] <minghua> crimsun: yes, because of the libstdc++ allocator c2->c2a transition
[10:46] <minghua> crimsun: actually I don't know if MOTUs accepts such rebuild requests now
[10:47] <crimsun> minghua: ok, do you want to provide debdiffs? They're fairly straight forward; otherwise I'll process them tonight
[10:47] <crimsun> yeah, we just bump the version and reupload
[10:47] <sistpoty> what packages are you talking about?
[10:47] <minghua> crimsun: what about I providing debdiffs and you help upload them all (including -pinyin and -uim)?
[10:47] <crimsun> minghua: sure
[10:47] <minghua> crimsun: I would like to have scim stuff all working in dapper
[10:48] <crimsun> sistpoty: scim-* in dapper being rebuilt
[10:48] <minghua> siretart: scim related stuff, input methods
[10:48] <sistpoty> ah, ok...
[10:48] <minghua> crimsun: I use malone to paste debdiffs, right?
[10:49] <crimsun> minghua: yep
[10:54] <sistpoty> merge list updated once again... 95->119 unassigned merges
[10:55] <crimsun> sigh
[10:55] <crimsun> I was proud of knocking it under 100, too. Gee thanks. ;)
[10:55] <sistpoty> sorry crimsun ;)
[10:58] <Hieronymus> If I want to be able to upload a packge to REVU, I e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with a signed e-mail, right?
[10:58] <Hieronymus> *package
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> Hieronymus you need to send ur key number
[10:59] <JohnnyMast> and upload your key to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[11:00] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: are you jeroen van splunder?
[11:01] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: yes
[11:01] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: didn't get my reply email?
[11:01] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: no
[11:01] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: I added you to revu's keyring, so you should be able to upload packages to revu
[11:02] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: thank you
[11:02] <sistpoty> np
[11:06] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: did you send it a long time ago?
[11:06] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: I sent it this afternoon
[11:07] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: to jeroen-91_at_home.nl
[11:07] <Hieronymus> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1232
[11:07] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: weird
[11:08] <sistpoty> what's weird? the package or that you didn't get the mail?
[11:09] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: I can resend it, if you want
[11:11] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: that I didn't get the mail
[11:11] <sistpoty> ah
[11:13] <\sh> moins
[11:13] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[11:16] <Kyral> yo
[11:16] <sistpoty> \sh: how exactly did you want revu's list to be resorted?
[11:17] <\sh> sistpoty: sorted by advocates and comments
[11:17] <sistpoty> first criteria #advocates and 2nd num of comments... for specific upload only or for all uploads referring to a sourcepackage?
[11:18] <\sh> sistpoty: I think of all uploads...so we can see on which package was worked more
[11:18] <sistpoty> ok
[11:19] <sistpoty> and should I distinguish between new packages and updates for sorting?
[11:19] <crimsun> personally, yes
[11:19] <\sh> oh the i386 buildds are somewhat screwed today?
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: would be cool
[11:19] <crimsun> \sh: appears so
[11:19] <\sh> sistpoty: so oldest package first :)
[11:20] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: "You don't have permission to access /revu1-incoming/bulldozer-0512171705/bulldozer_0.2.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes on this server."
[11:20] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: the changes is only useful for the procedure of updating
[11:21] <sistpoty> Hieronymus: and it shouldn't be accessible... e.g. I upload a source-package to revu, anyone could grab it and put it to ubuntu -> no access to changes
[11:22] <Hieronymus> sistpoty: but REVU links to these things
[11:22] <sistpoty> \sh: just that I got that right: 1st criteria: update/new... 2nd #advocates, 3rd #comments, 4th #age (fifo)
[11:22] <\sh> Hieronymus: only for informational purposes
[11:22] <\sh> sistpoty: yes..but advocates only on the latest upload :)
[11:23] <sistpoty> ok... /me will need a beer for this :)
[11:23] <\sh> sistpoty: lucky guy.../me had a half breakdown today
[11:23] <sistpoty> oh... what happened?
[11:24] <sistpoty> due to illness?
[11:26] <\sh> think so...
[11:27] <\sh> this morning after the guys from the heating system company left, I wanted to go out shopping...
[11:29] <\sh> And lucky I am, I went down the stairs in front of my flat, and on the last step I was a bit dizzy
[11:29] <sistpoty> oh... hope you'll recover soon, then
[11:30] <\sh> and felt on my back..directly on the stairs...lucky that I didn't bang my head
[11:30] <crimsun> hope you feel better soon, \sh
[11:30] <sistpoty> ouch
[11:30] <\sh> crimsun: I have to...I can't even focus sometimes...I really don't know what's up with me
[11:32] <ajmitch> hi
[11:33] <ajmitch> \sh: hm, doesn't sound good
[11:37] <\sh> ajmitch: i'm getting old and senile
[11:38] <ogra> ???
[11:38] <ogra> getting ?
[11:39] <ogra> ;)
[11:39] <\sh> ogra: thx :) I need that now :)
[11:39] <ogra> heh
[11:39] <\sh> btw...ntfs (win xp formatted) and linux amd64?
[11:39] <ogra> come on, we'Re the same age
[11:39] <\sh> why can't I mount my external HD?
[11:40] <\sh> ogra: yes...that's why I appreaciate your comment :)
[11:40] <crimsun> \sh: what does dmesg|tail say regarding the attempt?
[11:41] <\sh> crimsun: that it's mounted
[11:41] <\sh> crimsun: but reading is not possible input/output error
[11:41] <\sh> but it's readable with windows xp itself
[11:41] <ajmitch> \sh: don't worry, I made a major life change yesterday
[11:41] <ajmitch> gnome broke, so I'm using KDE
[11:41] <crimsun> sounds like the error I'm having with a usb cdrw
[11:42] <\sh> crimsun: well..same hd, diff. partition with reiserfs works like a charm :)
[11:43] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe..you see...sometimes a cycle of >6months is more useful :)
[11:43] <sistpoty> oh boy... the query for revu's list is 38 lines...
[11:43] <crimsun> \sh: I'm not sure if you can force a journal replay and fsck the NTFS partition, but that's what I'd try first
[11:43] <\sh> sistpoty: already normalized?
[11:44] <\sh> crimsun: but the filesystem is clean...I checked with windows XP on my toshiba here
[11:44] <sistpoty> \sh: what do you mean with normalized? the tables are normalized... that's just a sql statement
[11:45] <\sh> sistpoty: but 38lines....
[11:45] <\sh> that's a lot :)
[11:46] <sistpoty> it is... but it's only half of it actually since it's a union statement of needwork/good packages
[11:46] <\sh> crimsun: but i'm checking again with ntfsprogs
[11:47] <\sh> crimsun: hmm...how do I do a ntfs fsck on linux...
[11:50] <crimsun> \sh: not sure, never done it before
[11:51] <crimsun> ah, ntfsfix(8)
[11:52] <crimsun> well, it doesn't do everything in Linux per se
[11:52] <\sh> jepp
[11:52] <\sh> well..so I backup the drive tomorrow with windows xp
[11:52] <\sh> oergs
[11:52] <\sh> aka "I hate it"
[11:53] <\sh> oh and btw...the exorcism of emily rose --> watch it :)
[11:53] <ajmitch> there is a way to force a chkdsk in xp
[11:53] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah, I saw it a few weeks ago
[11:54] <ajmitch> I had to go to the console to see that there were ntfs errors
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: in xp yes..but not in linux :)
[11:54] <\sh> ajmitch: I have always problems with ntfs partitions from win xp prof.
[11:54] <minghua> ajmitch: how is gnome broken?
[11:54] <ajmitch> ntfs is always a problem
[11:54] <ajmitch> minghua: panel was hanging, etc
[11:55] <lifeless> azeem: around ?
[11:57] <crimsun> minghua: fwiw, I killed gdm before I joined, and everything seems to work here
[11:57] <\sh> ogra: btw...did you buy now a mac ?
[11:57] <ogra> nope, not yet
[11:57] <ogra> you ?
[11:57] <minghua> crimsun: Thanks.  I didn't upgrade panel stuff, so I think I am fine.
[11:58] <\sh> ogra: me? no...don't have the money :)
[11:59] <\sh> ogra: but there is an apple cube for 405 eur on ebay
[11:59] <ajmitch> minghua: mine hadn't been restarted since breezy or so
[11:59] <\sh> or ibook g4 for 441
[11:59] <ogra> dircet buy ?
[12:00] <ogra> *direct
[12:00] <ajmitch> minghua: and some of my troubles were also due to the computer having rebooted due to overheating ;)
[12:00] <lifeless> wooo
[12:00] <ajmitch> morning lifeless
[12:00] <lifeless> ola!
[12:00] <\sh> ogra: no
[12:01] <ogra> so how long to go for each one ?