 How are you? Did you have a nice weekend?
[09:00] <oSoMoN> salut seb128 ! I had a good and busy week-end, and you?
[09:04] <seb128> same here, we did some end of year decorating, played outside and a cake and playing date with the kids yesterday
[09:06] <duflu> seb128, Good here. Similarly I put up about 50 metres of lights yesterday. But for other people.
[09:06] <jpnurmi> hey seb128, i had a nice and long weekend, thanks. skiing with the dogs, installing christmas lights outside, and so on :)
[09:07] <seb128> great :)
[09:10] <oSoMoN> skiing sounds good, I look forward to doing that with my daughter after the holidays
[11:34] <oSoMoN> ricotz, any idea what the problem is with armhf builds of firefox-next ? FWIW I'm seeing the same problem when building an armhf snap.
[11:50] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi, I know what the problem is and the updated patch isn't sufficient yet, I didn't find the time to take a further look at it though
[12:00] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, let me know if/when you find a solution, or if you want me to take a look
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[14:06] <seb128> schopin, hey, just as a fyi and follow up, Debian updated freerdp2 to 2.4.1 and I synced the update over now, one less distro patch to carry for openssl3 ;-)
[14:07] <schopin> Yay!
[14:52] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I think I have a solution
[14:52] <ricotz> I will test it with a firefox-trunk build
[14:56] <ricotz> oSoMoN, jfyi, create-tarball.py already requires some patching to keep compat with rustc 1.53
[15:52] <oSoMoN> ricotz, what sort of patching?
[15:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, pinning "hermit-abi"
[15:55] <ricotz> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head/revision/2439
[15:55] <ricotz> patched build for armhf at https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+sourcepub/13045812/+listing-archive-extra
[15:56] <ricotz> (firefox trunk already diverged and needs a regenerated patch)
[16:01] <oSoMoN> ack
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[04:26] <dcbane> good evening
[04:26] <dcbane> earlier...
[05:04] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:32] <theblazehen> hi pieter2627
[05:33] <anton> morning
[05:33] <theblazehen> sup anton
[05:33] <pieter2627> hi theblazehen
[05:33] <pieter2627> hows the studing going?
[05:33] <theblazehen> Going alright, thanks
[05:34] <pieter2627> haha
[05:51] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:00] <pieter2627> hi thatgraemeguy
[06:19] <dcbane> hello again pieter2627
[06:20] <pieter2627> hi dcbane
[06:20] <dcbane> sup
[06:22] <pieter2627> not much, just hope it wont be so hot today
[06:22] <pieter2627> and self
[06:22] <dcbane> not too shabby
[06:54] <inetpro> oh my, have I said good mornings yet?
[06:55] <inetpro> hello everybody
[06:59] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[07:24] <dcbane> { inetpro } oh my, have I said good mornings yet? <-- you just did
[07:25] <inetpro> dcbane: how're things going there?
[07:43] <Kilos> hi superfly inetpro pieter2627 thatgraemeguy theblazehen TinuvaMac skokkk MaNI dcbane dlPhreak danfowler Cryterion  ambo  anton aquarat and whoever i missed
[07:44] <Kilos> Maaz cffee on
[07:44] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[07:44] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[07:44] <anton> mornings
[07:44] <MaNI> hi
[07:44] <Kilos> ai!
[07:44] <pieter2627> lol
[07:44] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[07:44]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:44] <pieter2627> hi Kilos
[07:44] <pieter2627> and morning inetpro
[07:45] <theblazehen> Be back later, cheers guys
[07:45] <Kilos> ok lad
[07:45] <Kilos> i sukkeled yesterday
[07:46] <Kilos> sim in modem forgot how to use data
[07:46] <inetpro> wb oom Kilos
[07:46] <Kilos> telkom says do a sim swop
[07:46] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[07:47] <Kilos> it seems some thing in xp i have on one drive for doing work that xp does best has a bug in thats now killed 2 sim cards
[07:47] <Kilos> so its now wiped
[07:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[07:48] <Kilos> hi dupingping hows china?
[07:48] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[07:48] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[08:11] <thatgraemeguy> hi kilos
[09:22] <Squirm> Good morning
[09:25] <Squirm> Was wondering if someone here could give me any ideas. We have a dashboard hosted internally, but it's also accessible from the outside. How would I use the same DNS name for both?
[09:44] <thatgraemeguy> Squirm: so externally the name resolves to an internet ip and internally the same name resolves to an internal ip?
[09:44] <Squirm> thatgraemeguy: That's what I want
[09:45] <thatgraemeguy> what do you use for name resolution internally?
[09:45] <Squirm> The problem is our router doesn't route our external IP when I try and connect to it from the inside
[09:45] <thatgraemeguy> no, it won't
[09:45] <Squirm> We have a dns server
[09:45] <Squirm> Moving to bind soon
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> on your dns server you create a zone with the FQDN of the relevant name and set the A record to the internal ip
[09:46] <Squirm> We do that already
[09:46] <thatgraemeguy> um, then it ought to work
[09:47] <Squirm> It does
[09:47] <Squirm> But it's maintaining all of our zones :D
[09:47] <thatgraemeguy> then I don't understand the question
[09:49] <Squirm> thatgraemeguy: I wondered if it was possible to have one zone, that could manage internal and external addresses
[09:50] <thatgraemeguy> you mean have the answer be different based on the querying client ip?
[09:50] <Squirm> Yes, something like that
[09:51] <thatgraemeguy> hrmmm ok
[09:51] <thatgraemeguy> sorry, no idea :)
[09:51] <thatgraemeguy> the normal solution here is that your internal DNS serves internal people and external DNS serves external people
[09:51] <Squirm> Haven't found anything on the Google, so just thought I'd get some ideas :D
[09:51] <Squirm> thatgraemeguy: that's what we have
[09:51] <thatgraemeguy> yes i know
[09:52] <anton> yip u will have to have 2 dns servers running for ur problem
[09:52] <thatgraemeguy> I'm just re-iterating that that is the way I've always seen it done :)
[09:52] <Squirm> :P
[09:52] <Squirm> I know
[09:52] <Squirm> anton: seems like it
[09:52] <anton> our external is hosted with afrihost then our normal bind for internal
[09:53] <Squirm> anton: Yeah, we use Amazon's Route53
[09:54] <anton> other possible solution is to run a logon script with hosts forced when they are at the office?
[09:57] <Squirm> anton: I suppose the goal was to get away from having two DNS servers
[09:57]  * Squirm shrugs
[09:58] <anton> nope not for a while i'm afraid
[09:59] <Squirm> All's well
[10:22] <inetpro> Squirm: you could always update the 1001 internal clients' local hosts file with a static entry to the internal address :-)
[10:23] <inetpro> that would not be a very good idea though
[10:23] <inetpro> maintaining an internal DNS server is really the way to go and not so difficult at all
[10:29] <Squirm> inetpro: I know
[10:29] <Squirm> But it's a cool idea :D
[12:10] <pieter2627> Squirm: can the internal clients access it using the external address?
[12:50] <Squirm> pieter2627: yeah. But not from internally
[12:51] <pieter2627> hmm, why?
[12:52] <pieter2627> my internal clients can access the home server using its external address...
[12:52] <pieter2627> so thought that you might be able to use that... together with some iptables maybe
[18:31] <superfly> my trackpad is a bit crazy tonight
[18:39] <gremble> Has it tried to kill your cat because you aren't twiddling it often enough?
[18:42] <inetpro> goeienaand
[19:21] <Squirm> Evening
[19:58] <gremble> Hey Squirm
[22:03] <magespawn> exit


[12:08] <mesquka> Hi
[18:35] <d_rwin> How Can I participate in ubuntu phone (content) design discussion?
[18:35] <popey> d_rwin: I think that's yet to be worked out
[18:37] <d_rwin> Popey, mailing list and design lead +team
[18:39] <popey> d_rwin: well, we have lists for unity discussion
[18:42] <d_rwin> Popey, ubuntu-unity?
[18:43] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/
[18:44] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-dev/


[02:25] <troy_s> egads
[08:38] <kwwii> moin
[12:39] <lapo> hi
[12:46] <kwwii> hi
[01:10] <Seveas> troy_s/kwwii: You can now op yourselves in here via chanserv
[01:15] <kwwii> nope
[01:15] <kwwii> I mean, I try, but it doesn't work
[01:16] <kwwii> erm
[01:16] <kwwii> :-)
[01:41] <Seveas> heeh
[05:07] <troy_s> greetings all
[05:07] <troy_s> greeting bersace
[05:07] <bersace> hello troy
[08:09] <troy_s> dborg == holbach?
[08:14] <Seveas> no
[08:14] <Seveas> dholbach = Daniel Holbach
[08:15] <Seveas> dborg = Daniel Borgmann (sp?) of clearlooks fame
[08:16] <troy_s> ah.
[08:16] <troy_s> thanks for sorting out that chanserv issue seveas
[08:16] <Seveas> np
[08:16] <Seveas> you should be able to add users to chanserv now too
[11:55] <fschoep> troy_s: you there?
[11:55] <fschoep> kwwii: you there?
[11:56] <kwwii> fschoep: yepp, just came back
[11:56] <kwwii> I answered your mail :-)
[11:56] <fschoep> You did? OK, I'll receive your reply pretty soon then :-)
[11:57] <fschoep> I wrote a draft for the e-mail to kick-off the Ponder phase.
[11:57] <fschoep> I wanted to ask you to proofread it and check for omissions.
[11:59] <kwwii> cool, send it my way
[11:59] <fschoep> Done!
[12:03] <Who_> Where will we be submitting too (or should I just wait for the email?)
[12:04] <kwwii> Who_: you will have to fax a copy to my mother
[12:04] <kwwii> :p


[01:52] <yogi> when will kernel+modules 2.6.24 land in hardy archives?
[01:52] <yogi> I see the kernel, but no corresponding linux-ubuntu-modules package
[02:04] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:12] <jkimball4> how does one fix stuff which is normally found in xorg.conf if it no longer exists?
[02:16] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:39] <mohkohn> Is anyone using virtualbox-ose with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[03:01] <mohkohn> does Hardy have a new virtualbox-ose package to match the new kernel?
[03:30] <DrUnKnMuNkY> anyone else had problems with openoffice? mine decided to remove itself when i was updating packages on apt. seems to conflict with the newest version of libhsqldb-java
[03:45] <mohkohn> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Screenshots
[03:45] <mohkohn> oops sorry. wrong window!
[03:49] <jkimball4> how do I change xorg.conf settings without an xorg.conf being available?
[04:02] <vorian> jkimball4, what do you mean by not available?
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> vorian, he means "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> is returning a not installed
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> i've seen that before
[04:04] <vorian> ah
[04:04] <nomasteryoda> that is my best guess
[04:06] <jkimball4> vorian: in /etc/X11 there isn't an xorg.conf file
[04:06] <jkimball4> haven't tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:06] <vorian> yah, give that a shot :)
[04:07] <jkimball4> it doesn't return a message about not being installed.  it wants to detect stuff.
[04:07] <jkimball4> I just want to stick some touchpad options in xorg.conf--not go through the whole spiel
[04:09] <jkimball4> vorian, nomasteryoda: any ideas aside from going through the reconfigure process?
[04:09] <nomasteryoda> jkimball4, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg?
[04:10] <jkimball4> 'tis already installed.  this is a fresh install w/ updates of hardy
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> then it might work
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> that is a dev version
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> see the topic?
[04:10] <jkimball4> well, yes, this is #ubuntu+1
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> k
[04:10] <jkimball4> so there is supposed to be an xorg.conf, just this particular revision doesn't have it.  sound right?
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> i would query apt-cache for xserver
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> and install the one closest to your hardware
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> like -intel i have to use
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> ya in fact, the Gutsy can work without one
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> from what I hear
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> its "unbreakable" X
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> but that is not exactly the right name
[04:13] <Dr_willis> bullet-proof X
[04:13] <Dr_willis> ?
[05:22] <Twigman> Hi Guys
[05:22] <Twigman> Is there a problem with the openoffice packages at the moment?
[05:23] <Twigman> I've only got 2.3.0 in any repo I look at, and it conflicts with libhsqldb-java <IP_ADDRESS>-2
[06:41] <DanaG> Hmm, apt-zeroconf doesn't want to work on a new Hardy upgrade.
[06:42] <DanaG> NO module named aptzeroconf.
[06:43] <DanaG> or "unable to guess signature from an empty list"
[06:44] <DanaG> Oh, and what are the default permissions on /var/crash?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~% ls -la /var/crash                               5:46PM
[06:46] <Hobbsee> total 8560
[06:46] <Hobbsee> drwxrwxrwt  2 root  root     4096 2007-12-12 22:36 .
[06:46] <Hobbsee> drwxr-xr-x 15 root  root     4096 2007-10-16 09:31 ..
[06:46] <Hobbsee> -rw-------  1 sarah sarah 8737640 2007-12-08 01:02 _usr_lib_thunderbird_thunderbird-bin.1000.crash
[06:46] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ^
[06:47] <DanaG> Thanks.
[06:47] <DanaG> How do you chmod to get the 't'?
[06:48] <DanaG> oh, +t
[06:48] <DanaG> silly me.
[06:51]  * Hobbsee wonders why her printer insists on printing letter-sized printouts
[06:53] <DanaG> Now if only I could figure out why apt-zeroconf doesn't work.
[06:53] <DanaG> It installs only to python2.4 site-packages, but even if I run it with python2.4, it gets the other error.
[06:57] <DanaG> Yet it works on my other system, somehow.
[07:02] <DanaG> Aaaah: the working one has apt-zeroconf 0.3rc4.
[07:02] <DanaG> The broken is 0.4.
[07:17] <DanaG> Aaah, aoarnir us aksi bkicjubg ut,'
[07:17] <DanaG> gaack, typing blind.
[07:17] <DanaG> I meant to say,
[07:17] <DanaG> Aaah, AppArmor is blocking it.
[07:20] <DanaG> And my newer laptop (that has had Hardy for longer) doesn't have that installed.
[07:24] <DanaG> Once apt-zeroconf becomes packaged, I guess I'll file a bug report then.
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the old laptop has bad blocks that it sometimes stalls on; how do you get the system to relocate data out of those bad blocks?
[07:44] <Twigman> Hey DanaG: Do you have the same problem as me with openoffice at the moment? I can't install it because of broken packages. Still only have 2.3.0 in the repos..
[07:47] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll look again at that system.
[07:51] <DanaG> But I really need to do a badblocks check on that hard drive -- but I can't ever unmount the root!
[07:52] <Twigman> hehehe
[07:52] <Twigman> you can't run badblocks with root readony?
[07:52] <Twigman> ie.. mount -o remount /
[07:52] <DanaG> I'll try that
[07:53] <Twigman> btw.. relocating data should just happen with fsck I *think*
[07:53] <Twigman> you'll need to either give it permission, or run 'yes' into it: yes | fsck......
[07:53] <Twigman> but only do that if things are so broken that you don't care if you break them more..
[07:54] <DanaG> It still says "can cause severe filesystem damage" even when ro.
[07:55] <DanaG> Eeh, I guess there are two forms of badblock checks: read-only and nondestructive-read-write
[07:55] <DanaG> The former is runnable while mounted RO.
[07:55] <Twigman> hmm..
[07:56] <Twigman> well.. your kernel will probably get a little annoyed by a filesystem changing that is mounted..
[07:57] <Twigman> but: The only other way is to boot off some other media and run fsck from there, or only boot so far. You can pass /bin/bash as your 'init' to grub: init=/bin/bash
[07:57] <Twigman> then you can do stuff.. but you'll need to mount media with fsck in it..
[07:58] <Twigman> and.. make sure you mount proc if you do: mount -t proc /proc /proc
[07:58] <DanaG> Oh, and for some reason, it's not giving a progress bar.
[07:59] <Twigman> argh.. I've gotta go..
[08:00] <Twigman> if you get a chance to check whether you can install openoffice or not that'd be handy..
[08:00] <Twigman> just leave me a message if you do..
[08:00] <Twigman> See ya!
[08:00]  * Twigman is away
[08:00] <DanaG> Okay.
[08:41] <DanaG> Hmm, openoffice upgraded fine for me.
[10:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant see any flash sites anymore
[10:02] <DrUnKnMuNkY> pvandewyngaerde: i was having trouble with gnash. i got rid of it and i'm only using the nonfree flash player now and everything started working again
[10:05] <DrUnKnMuNkY> sudo apt-get remove gnash was all i had to do
[10:08] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, i could indeed have some gnash  issues
[14:01] <void^> it's a little sad how things like bug #27109 are still not fixed in upstream
[14:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 27109 in nautilus "nautilus uses 100% cpu after closing a ssh session" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27109
[14:58]  * TuX_Claudiu :: [ amaroK playing  Jan Wayne - Because The Night (Highstreet Allstars extended mix) ] :: [ 208kbps ] :: [ 68:28 of 75:32 ] ::
[16:27] <theunixgeek> I'm in Ubuntu. I installed all the GNUstep packages, but ProjectCenter.app doesn't launch. What do I do?
[16:27] <theunixgeek> Hardy Heron :P
[17:46] <DanaG> Heh, my CPU is reporting 10 C as its core temperature.
[17:46] <DanaG> Just woken from suspend, in a cold room.
[17:46] <DanaG> Room is 65 F.
[17:51] <rsk> maybe hell froze over
[17:51] <DanaG> Naah.
[18:07] <DanaG> Okay.... THAT was random.
[18:07] <DanaG> PC speaker worked once after resume, but then once I changed my mixer volume, it broke again.
[18:12] <DanaG> Oh, and I can't seem to move the 'beep' to a different audio device in PulseAudio.
[18:13] <rsk> maybe it's hardcoded in the module
[18:13] <DanaG> It seems to be random sometimes.
[18:14] <DanaG> It doesn't even respect the "Default sink" option
[18:32] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else having problems with flash ?
[18:32] <rsk> yes
[18:32] <rsk> it's darn slow after the upgrade
[18:33] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont see anything at all, i am running Kubuntu  64
[18:33] <pvandewyngaerde> even the ubuntu install wizard says its allready installed
[18:34] <pvandewyngaerde> and in combination with KDE4.svn and FireFox-3.0 i have a totally messed up system
[18:38] <hwilde> !flash | pvandewyngaerde
[18:38] <ubotu> pvandewyngaerde: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[18:48] <pvandewyngaerde> its a problem with the flashplugin-nonfree package
[18:48] <rsk> yes
[18:52]  * Dannilion tries and thinks of a way of wording this bug report so it makes sense
[18:52] <pvandewyngaerde> i'll make my own setup in /opt
[19:00] <pvandewyngaerde> it has something to do with  "error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory "
[19:02] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: you can install libpcre.so.3 and libpcre.so.3.12.1 from the libpcre3 32 bit package in /usr/lib32. I had to do that this morning as well
[19:06] <DanaG> Okay, KDE4 starts, but it's not very good, in my opinion.
[19:07] <DanaG> Right-clicking the taskbar toggles whatever's the rightmost button, even if it's not visibly at where you're clicking.
[19:07] <pvandewyngaerde> its only the beginning of the platform,  everything is .0.0 version
[19:07] <DanaG> And right-clicking anywhere else on the panel does absolutely nothing at all.
[19:07] <DanaG> And Plasmids have "mystery meat" buttons with no tooltips to tell you what they do.
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> DanaG: its completely new code @ .<IP_ADDRESS> version,  will shape up later, by 4.1 version or so
[19:10] <DanaG> aah.
[19:10] <DanaG> Well, for now, I'm logging out and going back into Gnome.
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> i have libpcre 7.4-0ubuntu0.7.10  installed
[19:12] <DanaG> yay.
[19:12] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, its more recent than the one listed on packages.ubuntu.com for hardy
[19:12] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: that will be the 64 bit version. nspluginwrapper needs the 32 bit version
[19:12] <DanaG> Oh, and I tested apt-zeroconf.  Version 0.3~rc4 works, but 0.4 doesn't.
[19:12] <DanaG> And 0.3~rc4 runs right smack dab into apparmor somehow.
[19:12] <Dr_willis> !info apt-zeroconf
[19:13] <ubotu> Package apt-zeroconf does not exist in hardy
[19:13] <Dr_willis> :) darn it. heh heh
[19:13] <DanaG> Not packaged for Ubuntu yet.
[19:15] <hwilde> there is pulseaudio-module-zerocon
[19:15] <DanaG> http://trac.phidev.info/trac/wiki/AptZeroconf
[19:16] <DanaG> Oh, and PulseAudio is still not ideal: have you tried streaming audio from one PC to (switching between) different audio devices on a different PC?
[19:16] <DanaG> http://trac.phidev.info/trac/wiki/AptZeroconf
[19:16] <DanaG> oops, I already pasted that.
[19:17] <DanaG> The PulseAudio stream dies when you try to use either of the two systems's "pavucontrol" apps to move the strem.
[19:17] <DanaG> stream.
[19:17]  * hwilde blank stare
[19:18] <pvandewyngaerde> albert23:  thank you very much, it works now
[19:18] <albert23> pvandewyngaerde: no problem
[19:24] <pvandewyngaerde> DanaG: i'm switching to KDE4 now, you wont see me quit or leave because i am running a irssi proxy in screen which i connect to with my GUI irc app
[19:26] <DanaG> That's an interesting idea.
[19:27] <pvandewyngaerde> back in kde4
[19:27] <pvandewyngaerde> it is indeed, and with a bitlbee session i am also connected to MSN/gmail-IM
[19:28] <pvandewyngaerde> through IRC
[19:29] <DanaG> I wonder if I could run that on my dd-wrt router...
[19:30] <pvandewyngaerde> if you dont want it to log the channels, or if you log remote
[19:31] <kbrooks> pvandewyngaerde, irssi proxy?
[19:32] <pvandewyngaerde> yes, irssi connects to the server,  and then acts as a server for another client
[19:32] <DanaG> How do you deal with logging?
[19:33] <pvandewyngaerde> if you dont want it, turn it of
[19:33] <DanaG> But I do like logging/
[19:33] <DanaG> .
[19:34] <pvandewyngaerde> well, my GUI client is logging when i am connected
[19:36] <pvandewyngaerde> i installed the proxy because kde4 was crashing sometimes, and i switch sessions a lot, and i didn't want to flood irc
[21:46] <DanaG>  ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.";
[21:46] <DanaG> trying to compile virtualbox driver.
[21:47] <bardyr> DanaG, export CC=gcc-4.1
[21:47] <bardyr> or .2 cant remember what compiler is used for the gutsy kernel
[22:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing I'd reeeeally like to see:
[22:07] <DanaG> Try Fedora 8 and notice the time-varying wallpaper.
[22:07] <DanaG> That's what I'd like to see.  It's reeeeally nice.
[22:07] <DanaG> Oh yeah, fix for vboxdrv:
[22:07] <DanaG> http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-users/2007-October/002372.html


[03:31] <Unit193> bluesabre: Have you taken a look at https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-dev-tools/-/merge_requests/98?
[03:31] -ubottu:#xubuntu-devel- Merge 98 in xfce/xfce4-dev-tools "Draft: Meson support" [Opened]


[00:07] <itnet7> mhall119 I am kind of stuck at our home owners association meeting. I am not sure I will make it out of here in time to attend tonights meeting
[00:21] <itnet7> if we don't have one tonight, then I would like to get together with you to find the best way to handle mwetings with the LD integration
[00:21] <itnet7> ttyiab
[00:22] <mhall119> itnet7: I'll be happy to chair tonight's meeting
[00:23] <mhall119> though the only agenda item is about the new meeting feature
[00:23] <mhall119> doh, and I fail at UTC time
[00:24] <MichelleQ> I think everyone fails at UTC.
[00:24] <mhall119> yeah, we already have a bug report to do something about that
[00:32] <mhall119> if anyone has anything to dicuss in tonight's meeting, go ahead and add it to http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/1/detail/
[00:33] <mhall119> cjohnston crashsystems dantalizing himuraken jamalta jtatum mianosm1 munz rmcbride RoAkSoAx ShawnR statik zbrown zoopster 30 minutes until the team meeting
[00:58] <MichelleQ> what time is the meeting?  UTC requires I math.
[00:58] <mhall119> in about 5 minutes
[01:02] <mhall119> cjohnston crashsystems dantalizing himuraken jamalta jtatum mianosm1 munz rmcbride RoAkSoAx ShawnR statik zbrown zoopster Meeting time
[01:03] <mhall119> #startmeeting
[01:03] <mhall119> hey, where's mootbot?
[01:03] <zoopster> o/ from sunny california
[01:04] <mhall119> whatcha doing in cali?
[01:04] <zoopster> workin'
[01:04] <zoopster> meetings with Canonical partners
[01:04] <mhall119> ah, gotta make money for the man
[01:04] <zoopster> yea
[01:05] <mhall119> okay, well it seems we're going bot-less tonight
[01:05] <zoopster> can't get mootbot to join again?
[01:05] <mhall119> how do you get it to join?
[01:05] <akgraner> OMG you killed mootbot...
[01:05] <MichelleQ> mootbot's probably in cali with zoopster
[01:05] <mhall119> akgraner: it was an accident, i swear!
[01:06]  * akgraner apologizes for the random outburst there and slinks back to the NC channel :-)
[01:06] <mhall119> you know we're always happy to see you
[01:06] <mhall119> okay, meeting agenda is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/1/detail/
[01:07] <mhall119> unlike previous meetings, our agenda is no longer in the wiki, it's now on the LoCo Directory
[01:07] <mhall119> which brings us to our first topic
[01:07] <mhall119> [TOPIC] Discuss new LoCo Directory features
[01:08]  * mhall119 pretends mootbot is still here doing' it's job
[01:08] <zoopster> hopefully akgraner will help mootbot find it's way back
[01:08] <mhall119> so cjohnston and I, along with the other loco-directory developers, have added Meeting tracking to http://loco.ubuntu.com to go along with the Event tracking we've been using it for
[01:09] <mhall119> any team member can create/edit meetings for the team
[01:09] <mhall119> they can also add/edit agenda items for any of our team's meetings
[01:10] <zoopster> woop! great job! \o/
[01:10] <mhall119> from now on we should use this for planning our IRC meetings
[01:10] <rmcbride> indeed Great job!
[01:10] <mhall119> because it's much easier to extract useful data from LD than the wiki
[01:11] <mhall119> and eventually this will automatically feed our montly team reports
[01:11] <mhall119> so please use it, report any bugs you encounter of features you wish it had
[01:11] <mhall119> it's a new feature, and we're looking for ways to improve it
[01:12] <mhall119> our next meeting is already up there: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/14/detail/ so you can add agenda items to it at any time
[01:13] <mhall119> any questions about LD or the meeting feature before I move on?
[01:13] <cjohnston> o/
[01:13] <mhall119> you have a question?
[01:13] <mhall119> or just signaling that you're here?
[01:16] <mhall119> okay, moving along
[01:16] <mhall119> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Developer Week
[01:16] <cjohnston> saying hi
[01:16] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[01:16] <mhall119> Starting Feb. 28th is the next developer week
[01:17] <mhall119> for anybody who doesn't know what that is, it's a week long series of online (over IRC) classes about developing for and on Ubuntu
[01:18] <mhall119> on Mar. 2nd at 1700 UTC cjohnston and I will be teaching a class on how to get started hacking on the LoCo Directory
[01:19] <mhall119> if anybody is interested in getting involved in this project with us, that'll be a good way to get started
[01:20] <mhall119> any questions?
[01:21] <mhall119> okay, gonna be a short meeting
[01:21] <mhall119> last one
[01:21] <mhall119> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Global Jam
[01:21] <mhall119> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/567/detail/
[01:21] <mhall119> The next Global Jam is scheduled for April 1st (not my idea)
[01:22] <mhall119> for those who don't know what a Global Jam is, it's an excuses to get together with other people in the loco team or other groups and work on something Ubuntu related
[01:22] <mhall119> people hold bug jams where they triage and/or fix bugs
[01:22] <mhall119> documentation jams where they write/edit documentation
[01:23] <mhall119> packaing, translations, testing and all kinds of other jams
[01:23] <MichelleQ> I've failed to be paying attention.  Anything I need to be doing?
[01:23] <mhall119> all you need is a small space for people to gather and something you want to do
[01:24] <mhall119> if you want to hold a jam near you, just add it to the link above and let the rest of us know so we can attend if possible
[01:25] <mhall119> [TOPC] Open...
[01:25] <mhall119> anybody have anything else they want to talk about before we end the meeting?
[01:26] <MichelleQ> ... nope.  Nothing that I can think of
[01:26] <mhall119> akgraner: how was FUDcon?
[01:26] <akgraner> very interesting
[01:27]  * itnet7 is here, sorry I'm late
[01:27] <akgraner> I didn't realize how many people I knew there
[01:27] <akgraner> but it is very different from UDS
[01:27] <mhall119> I think you know 50% of the FLOSS community by now
[01:27] <akgraner> nah - I wish I did
[01:28] <mhall119> oh, word on the street is that UDS is coming back to Orlando this fall!
[01:28] <rmcbride> It is
[01:28] <rmcbride> YAY
[01:28] <akgraner> sweet...
[01:29] <itnet7> That's going to rock!
[01:29] <rmcbride> I think it was pretty much a done deal before the last one was over. Everyone was very happy with the venue, from what I was told
[01:31] <mhall119> itnet7: did you have anything you wanted to talk about before I end the meeting?
[01:31] <itnet7> Not really, but thanks so much for holding it!
[01:31] <mhall119> no problem
[01:31] <mhall119> #endmeeting
[01:31]  * mhall119 continues to pretend Mootbot is here
[01:32] <itnet7> awsomeness
[01:32] <itnet7> akgraner: you seriouls made the plunge? Are you vegan? or just vegetarian
[01:33] <itnet7> s/seriouls/seriously/
[01:33] <akgraner> just vegetarian
[01:33] <akgraner> I know right...it's hard for me to believe
[01:33] <itnet7> That rocks, good for you!
[01:33] <mhall119> aw, I was going to make BBQ for the next UDS
[01:34] <itnet7> Well if you're doing it to help you feel better
[01:34] <itnet7> then kudos
[01:34] <itnet7> +1 mhall119 !
[01:34] <akgraner> itnet7, yeah needed to make some changes...
[01:35] <itnet7> I have been trying to get more exercise myself... need to work on the diet too, but not sure what will work for me
[01:35] <itnet7> I need some serious help :-P
[01:35] <mhall119> akgraner: I'll smoke some veggies for you then
[01:35] <akgraner> mhall119, awww thanks!
[01:36] <itnet7> Smoked veggies rock too!
[01:36] <mhall119> speaking of, has anyone heard from pak33m lately?
[01:37] <itnet7> I talked to him last week for a bit, he was doing well
[01:37] <mhall119> okay, good
[01:39] <itnet7> I was gonna try to see if everyone might want to meet up soon in either Orlando or Lakeland geocache
[01:39] <mhall119> oh, geocaching
[01:40] <itnet7> s/geocache/and geocache/
[01:40] <itnet7> Yeah, I thought we could do it as a family fun event
[01:40] <MichelleQ> sure
[01:41]  * MichelleQ resumes paying attention again.
[01:41] <itnet7> At some park, unless you guys feel like traveling and camping out at Jonathan Dickinson State Park
[01:41] <cjohnston> lets meet up next week in vegas
[01:41] <itnet7> cjohnston: bet!
[01:41] <itnet7> yeah right
[01:41] <cjohnston> I'll be there
[01:41] <mhall119> lol
[01:41] <mhall119> cjohnston: if you're paying, we'll be there
[01:41] <cjohnston> im not paying
[01:41] <itnet7> :-)
[01:41] <MichelleQ> sign me up
[01:41] <MichelleQ> oh dammit
[01:42] <cjohnston> leaving friday headed to NC, then end of next week is vegas
[01:42] <itnet7> Nice!
[01:42] <MichelleQ> itnet7: if you decide to geocache this direction, let us know.
[01:43] <MichelleQ> We'll fire up the smoker for dinner.
[01:43] <itnet7> :-)
[01:43] <itnet7> I will check and see how many caches are near you guys!
[01:43] <MichelleQ> sounds good
[01:43] <itnet7> I just finished a 5 stage cache that required close to 20 miles of hiking
[01:43] <MichelleQ> holy mackerel
[01:44] <itnet7> but that was a personal goal/challenge
[01:44] <MichelleQ> we'd have to do a kid-friendly one.
[01:44]  * itnet7 is trying to get back in shape
[01:44] <itnet7> Sure!
[01:44] <MichelleQ> a particular kid-with-muscle-fatigue-issues one.
[01:44] <itnet7> I will check online and see if any of the parks near you have any
[01:44] <itnet7> most of them are stroller accessible
[01:44] <MichelleQ> he's got a wheel chair, so distance isn't an issue, as long as it's accessible
[01:45] <itnet7> that will work
[01:46] <itnet7> are there any nature preserves or county parks near you that you guys really enjoy visiting?
[01:46] <itnet7> I will check there first
[01:46] <MichelleQ> hhm.  Lake Parker Park's really kid-friendly and accessible, but not big
[01:47] <MichelleQ> there's the Van Fleet trail - that might have something interesting. http://www.bikingflorida.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=21
[01:49] <itnet7> Wow, at Lake Parker Park there are 227 hidden caches within a 5 mile radius
[01:49] <mhall119> they have a nice playground too
[01:50] <MichelleQ> nice
[01:50] <MichelleQ> it's a really nice plave
[01:50] <MichelleQ> place,even
[01:51] <itnet7> :-)
[01:57] <MichelleQ> itnet7: signing up for geocaching.com - :-)
[01:59] <MichelleQ> We're TheSuperHalls
[02:01] <mhall119> lol
[02:01] <itnet7> MichelleQ: sweet!
[02:02] <itnet7> It's definitely fun, and good exercise
[02:02] <MichelleQ> Figured I'd remember that
[02:02] <itnet7> Nice!
[02:03] <itnet7> Just send you a friend request through there
[02:03] <MichelleQ> so, there are, supposedly, 25k caches within 10 miles of us.
[02:05] <itnet7> 25k??
[02:05] <itnet7> wow!
[02:05] <itnet7> 2500?
[02:05] <mhall119> yeah, but probably 10k of them are all one one guy's yard
[02:05] <itnet7> There is like 4000 in brevard
[02:05] <MichelleQ> no.  25k
[02:05] <itnet7> WOw!
[02:05] <MichelleQ> it returned 25543 results for a search for our zip within 10 miles
[02:06] <itnet7> Ah!
[02:06] <MichelleQ> I did a double take
[02:06] <itnet7> that includes all cache types though
[02:06] <MichelleQ> dunno - no clue
[02:06] <itnet7> Yeah, When I visit by then I'll learn to filter and will let you guys know what I learn
[02:07] <itnet7> You have an android phone right?
[02:07] <itnet7> you can install c:geo
[02:07] <itnet7> and add your geocaching.com account
[02:07] <MichelleQ> yeah, I've got an android
[02:07] <MichelleQ> ok, will do
[12:30] <mhall119> anyone got an interesting little FLOSS project they'd like to talk about during UDW? http://justanothertriager.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/have-an-interesting-project-you-want-to-talk-about/
[12:57] <mhall119> woohoo Mootbot-UK is back@
[12:57] <mhall119> !
[13:33] <amouge> hey just in case anyones interested, I have an entry level php position full time in tampa
[13:54] <amouge> hey tiemonster
[14:15] <akgraner> itnet7, mhall119 and zoopster - see mootbot-uk :-)  it's in your channel now..let me know if you need to know anything about this one there is really on one difference in the -uk and the old one
[14:28] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[14:57] <tiemonster> amouge: hi. sorry. I was at class.
[15:16] <itnet7> akgraner: ?
[15:16] <itnet7> Alan added some stuff?
[15:17] <akgraner> itnet7, yep I'll get you the how to I wrote for it
[15:17] <itnet7> Sweet thanks!
[15:21] <amouge> all good
[15:51] <mhall119> akgraner: I think we'd been using mootbot-uk
[15:51] <mhall119> it's just that something happened to it
[18:41] <reya276> does anyone know when we will get the flash update http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/flash-player-10-2-released-with-stage-video-hardware-acceleration/
[18:52] <DammitJim> is there a google chrome channel?
[18:52] <DammitJim> someone at work got his CR-48
[18:52] <DammitJim> I want mine, dammit!!!
[19:02] <reya276> yeah I too applied for one, but I have not gotten a response from google or the device either
[19:06] <dantalizing> morning
[19:10] <DammitJim> afternoon, dantalizing
[19:10] <DammitJim> reya276, they don't tell you anything! they just show up!
[19:11] <DammitJim> I want one!!! someone here at work just bought an acer one for 199 with a free cover at target or something
[19:14] <reya276> hey Dan
[19:14] <reya276> DammitJim, oh that is cool
[19:14] <reya276> DammitJim, so for $200 bucks they got one at Target?
[19:16] <mhall119> not the CR-48
[19:16] <mhall119> you can probably get a $200 Atom CPU netbook for $200 at target
[19:16] <DammitJim> yeah, talking about the acerone
[19:17] <mhall119> ah, ok
[19:21] <crashsystems> The CR-48 is nice.
[19:25] <DammitJim> do you have one, crashsystems ?
[19:25] <crashsystems> no, but a few coworkers were hunting security vulns on one, and I got to hold it for a few minutes.
[19:26] <jck77> hello everyone
[19:26] <jck77> I heard that to that the CR-48 is a nice netbook
[19:27] <crashsystems> it is. ubuntu would be great on it
[19:28] <jck77> are they still sending it with the pilot program? I applied but never received a message back :(
[19:31] <DammitJim> crashsystems, ubuntu flies on it
[19:31] <DammitJim> jck77, I heard the 3rd batch is on its way
[19:31] <zillar> it's a beautiful notebook
[19:31] <DammitJim> a co-worker just got it 4 days ago
[19:32] <DammitJim> and I've seen some posts of people getting them today
[19:32] <jck77> DammitJim: great, but do they let you know before via email that you were selected?
[19:33] <DammitJim> nope, I heard that they are just showing up at doorsteps
[19:33] <jck77> ohh
[19:33] <jck77> great to know then
[19:34] <DammitJim> good luck to us all
[19:37] <zillar> oddly, that's contrary to the sign-up form
[19:37] <zillar> "We'll review the requests that come in and contact you if you've been selected. "
[19:38] <jck77> thats why I asked
[19:39] <jck77> we really need luck I guess there is a lot of people applying
[19:40] <jck77> what makes me mad is that there is people that received and they are selling it. so they dont care about improving neither giving feedback about the netbook
[19:41] <DammitJim> selling it?
[19:41] <jck77> yeap
[19:41] <jck77> look on ebay
[19:42] <jck77> google should track those mf and blacklist them from any google service
[19:44] <DammitJim> http://ocala.craigslist.org/sys/2198349263.html
[19:47] <jck77> thats what pissed me offff
[19:47] <dantalizing> same with google io ... people just wanting to sell free stuff from the goog
[19:52] <DammitJim> dammit...
[19:57] <mhall119> jim
[20:27] <MichelleQ> bob?
[20:53] <DammitJim> do you guys know of a fax machine that you can check remotely to see if it has received a fax?
[20:56] <dfused> make the secretary do it
[21:37] <reya276> so what is the deal on the USB hack
[21:42] <dantalizing> theres a usb hack?
[21:43] <maxolasersquad> dantalizing: Did you get a chance to look at the osmand code?
[21:43] <dantalizing> maxolasersquad: downloaded it and tried to build, but kept getting errors and didnt have time to dive too deep ... at a high level, the code looks fine
[21:44] <dantalizing> maxolasersquad: do you have logcat output?
[21:45] <maxolasersquad> I don't know.
[21:46] <maxolasersquad> Would that be on my phone, or in Eclipse?
[21:46] <dantalizing> hmm... i alway use the command line
[21:46] <dantalizing> start up the app in an emulator or phone ...
[21:46] <dantalizing> then "adb logcat"
[21:47] <dantalizing> you'll at least get the java exception
[21:47] <reya276> before I rudely got kickout the channel, check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfYBa1EHm4
[21:47] <reya276> what is up with that, security risk on Linux
[21:48] <dantalizing> reya276: i need at least 51:07 to understand
[21:48] <reya276> huh?
[21:48] <dantalizing> well just opening the video doesnt really give anyone a chance to understand the issue
[21:48] <dantalizing> first i heard of it
[21:50] <dantalizing> reya276: is it really a usb exploit or just using autorun to exploit apps?
[21:51] <reya276> bah, nevermind this is all BS, the guy is talking about an Ubuntu OS that has not been patched and running without no security, he also does not show how you can compromise the system
[21:51] <reya276> so it seems like an FUD video
[21:52] <reya276> ok here is the writen version http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/09/linux_autorun_problems/
[21:52] <dantalizing> i would doubt that its total fud if he's standing up at shmoocon to demo it
[21:55] <dantalizing> so this is not a usb hack, this is configuration and app hacking
[21:56] <reya276> ok, great so this is legit which is exactly what I wanted to know
[21:56] <reya276> so this guy is actually talking about something that can be done
[21:56] <reya276> specially to Ubuntu system
[21:56] <reya276> I say not good
[21:57] <dantalizing> The demo relied on taking advantage of a flaw in GNOME Evince document viewer that was patched in January
[21:57] <dantalizing> even so, was kind of "weak" because it was shown on a machine with in-built exploit mitigation disabled, as Larimer himself clearly explains.
[21:57] <reya276> ah ok so this was patched
[21:58] <maxolasersquad> Last month I saw two different people complain about having their Linux box hijacked.  One guy took no security precautions because he just assumed he was invinsible running Linux.
[21:58] <reya276> ok so Linux/Ubuntu is still secure, so why bother even showing this
[21:58] <dantalizing> AppArmor  might be defeated
[21:58] <dantalizing> ubuntu uses apparmor
[21:59] <reya276> ok so then anyone can Hijack Ubuntu
[21:59] <reya276> sorry just trying to understand, as right now all of our servers are running Ubuntu
[21:59] <dantalizing> reya276: i dont think its an all or nothing game .. no OS is totally secure
[21:59] <mhall119> reya276: make sure you have all available updates
[22:00] <reya276> right I understand that, but I'm thinking is safer than Windows, which is the reason I moved away from it
[22:00] <dantalizing> i dont think that has changed in the past 10 yrs :)
[22:00] <reya276> ok all the servers are always updated
[22:01] <mhall119> then you have very little chance of problems
[22:01] <reya276> ok so I should not be too worried about this
[22:01] <dantalizing> restrict physical access to all servers
[22:01] <dantalizing> rule #1
[22:03] <mhall119> Disney is hiring Java devs, anyone want the info?
[22:13] <zillar> i would
[22:13] <zillar> i am interested*


[05:56] <vish> kenvandine¦ wow! i think that gwibber locale bug might be the cause of a lot of issues! .. ever since that was fixed i do *not* see a lot of problems in gwibber
[05:57] <vish> previously it would just hang if i dint use gwibber daily, or for seemingly no reason..
[05:57] <kenvandine> vish,  :)
[05:57] <kenvandine> vish, yeah, i think it was
[05:59] <vish> kenvandine¦ thx for making gwibber awesome [again] ;)
[06:00] <kenvandine> :)
[06:00] <kenvandine> i have fixed a ton more bugs in the past 2 weeks too
[06:00] <kenvandine> most are in gwibber-proposed now
[06:00] <kenvandine> oh, not yet
[06:00] <kenvandine> still in the queue
[06:01] <kenvandine> good night all!
[06:01] <vish> nite!..


[00:01] <sarnold> apb1963: does dpkg -l 'php*' | cat   show php packages installed?
[00:05] <apb1963> checking
[00:08] <apb1963> sarnold, There's a bunch of things... I don't know if it's got what's right or not...  https://pastebin.com/AbiHr9FC
[00:09] <sarnold> apb1963: alright try something like 'a2enmod php' .. see if that gives anything interesting
[00:10] <apb1963> a2enmod php
[00:10] <apb1963> ERROR: Module php does not exist!
[00:11] <apb1963> Quite interesting
[00:11] <apb1963> But... why not?
[00:11] <sarnold> maybe a2enmod php7?
[00:11] <apb1963> ah
[00:11] <apb1963> a2enmod php7
[00:11] <apb1963> ERROR: Module php7 does not exist!
[00:12] <sarnold> php7.0? :)
[00:12] <apb1963> haha  let me google the error
[00:12] <sarnold> I can't stand apache and detest php, so I've never tried to set it up before ..
[00:12] <sarnold> but one of these times feels like we ought to be able to stumble on the name :)
[00:13] <apb1963> https://askubuntu.com/questions/912638/error-module-php7-0-does-not-exist
[00:14] <apb1963> what's utterly baffling to me is, this was working...  I didn't do anything in regard to what that page says so why now?
[00:15] <sarnold> it _was_ working? what changed/
[00:15] <apb1963> lots of things
[00:16] <apb1963> mostly the config files I suppose.
[00:16] <apb1963> what did not change is how I installed it.
[00:16] <apb1963> And that page implies - strongly - that I need another module I didn't need before.
[00:17] <apb1963> So 1+1=999
[00:17] <sarnold> then maybe you were using fastcgi?
[00:17] <apb1963> Again.. I didn't set anything special up
[00:17] <apb1963> just the bare minimum install
[00:17] <apb1963> plus configuration twisting
[00:17] <apb1963> that's why it makes no sense
[00:18] <apb1963> well, I guess I should try it
[00:22] <apb1963> sarnold, I installed it, I enabled php7.0.... and apache won't restart
[00:22] <apb1963> so... backing it out for a minute...
[00:23] <apb1963> yeah, just disabling it is enough to bring apache back up
[00:23] <apb1963> so it's definitely the module... or at least.. it's bringing out the bug in the config somehow.
[00:36] <apb1963> well i've never seen it do this before... I was removing the same modules and it chose to INstall a different package. The following additional packages will be installed:
[00:36] <apb1963>   php7.0-fpm
[00:36] <apb1963> Suggested packages:
[00:36] <apb1963>   php-pear
[00:36] <apb1963>
[00:37] <sarnold> debian packages have requirements, suggestions, etc.; the first bits of the ubuntu wordpress package for example has: Depends: apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php | php
[00:38] <sarnold> if you have wordpress and libapache2-mod-php installed and try to remove libapache2-mod-php, apt will then ry to install the 'php' package
[00:44] <apb1963> now neither module will let apache start so...i'm just going to purge and reinstall again... this will take a couple of minutes.
[00:50] <apb1963> and now even that doesn't work
[00:51] <apb1963> I really wish purge meant it and not this watered down version that won't actually purge files... I thought remove was to not purge files.
[00:51] <apb1963> Is there a "nuke" files option?
[00:51] <sarnold> if apt-get purge left behind configuration files, please file bugs on that. purge should mean _purge_
[00:51] <apb1963> seems to be the case of every package
[00:52] <apb1963> s/of/for/
[00:52] <apb1963> so now I guess I need to hunt config files I might have changed.  sigh
[01:24] <apb1963> Sigh.  I have sinned and now I must pay forever.  "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php/7.0/apache2/php.ini"
[01:33] <apb1963> Please read http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/php or see http://akat1.pl/?id=1 on why you shouldn't be using mod_php
[01:33] <apb1963> should have put that in quotes :)
[01:33] <apb1963> my brain  hurts
[01:34] <apb1963> bbl
[03:33] <fellas> how do i remove all the effects of conjure-up
[03:33] <fellas> i followed the insturctions on here and it messed up my whole ubuntu server
[03:33] <fellas> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack
[03:34] <sarnold> guessing, snap purge the lxd and whatever else snaps it installed, then apt-get purge snapd, and then look around and see what's left?
[03:34] <fellas> when i did conjure-up it tried to install but got a lot of errors i had to cut it off short.  but now when i do ifconfig i get alot of made up virtual ethernet adapters
[03:35] <fellas> sarnold give me the basics i dont use snap
[03:35] <fellas> never used it
[03:35] <stokachu> you have an incomplete juju deployment
[03:35] <fellas> yes i do
[03:35] <sarnold> fellas: me neither, try blind "snap purge lxd" and see what happens
[03:35] <fellas> everything is all messed up
[03:35] <stokachu> juju controllers; juju kill-controller <name>
[03:36] <stokachu> well no your server is running a bunch of containers
[03:36] <stokachu> so it's not all messed up
[03:36] <fellas> jujud kills my processs need to totally kill it ..elminate it from my system
[03:36] <stokachu> huh?
[03:37] <fellas> once in a while jujud runs and sucks up all my process...when i put top command... isee it eatting all processes
[03:37] <fellas> i want it out of my system
[03:37] <stokachu> well do what i told you and then sudo snap remove conjure-up
[03:38] <fellas> i followed the simple commands here but there were a bnunch of errors and i was never able to finish..now i dont kno whow to rollback
[03:38] <fellas> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/try-openstack
[03:38] <fellas> im using fresh installation of ubuntu server <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:38] <stokachu> but keep in mind that jujud runs on the containers who are also running a bunch of apt install commands etc
[03:38] <sarnold> fellas: juju controllers; juju kill-controller <name> ; snap remove conjure-up
[03:38] <stokachu> well what kind of hardware do you have
[03:38] <fellas> dell server
[03:38] <fellas> r710
[03:38] <stokachu> and you keep mentioning errors but haven't actually said what they are
[03:38] <fellas> raid
[03:38] <fellas> raid 0 virtual drive
[03:38] <stokachu> how much memory
[03:39] <fellas> 40gb
[03:39] <stokachu> uhm ok
[03:39] <stokachu> how much storage
[03:39] <fellas> 2tb
[03:40] <stokachu> and what are the errors
[03:40] <fellas> not sure.
[03:40] <fellas> where would the logs be
[03:41] <fellas> i wanna uninstall novi
[03:41] <stokachu> novi?
[03:41] <fellas> the whole thing i wanna remove ...this sucks
[03:41] <stokachu> well we've told you how to do it twice now
[03:42] <fellas> well i did snap remove conjure-up
[03:42] <fellas> so hopefully that kills it
[03:42] <fellas> thanks guys
[03:42] <stokachu> who knows, since we didnt actually get to the root of your problem
[03:44] <fellas> i think the reason i didnt get conjure-up to install was cause of my raid 0.  from what i read online but i dont remember
[03:44] <stokachu> ok well that hardly warrants saying conjure-up sucks
[03:44] <stokachu> but anyway, good luck
[03:44] <fellas> no hopefully it works better in future
[03:45] <fellas> dont mean to say it sucks..i just dont know what happened..i followed all commands as is but then it just crapped out on my system...fresh indstallation too so idk..
[03:45] <fellas> either way thanks
[07:14] <Art100> hello - need help to configure network bridge in netplan
[11:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> howdy
[11:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> anyone here know of any modifications for bash
[11:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> that enhance resolution and add a background?
[11:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> some special bash mode
[11:19] <Shawn|i7-720QM> not in any desktop manager
[11:19] <Shawn|i7-720QM> or window manager rather
[13:06] <ren0v0> Hey, i've moved a cron script from /etc/cron.daily/ to /etc/cron.hourly/, but its not firing
[13:06] <ren0v0> is there something i'm missing?
[13:06] <ren0v0> It's for logrotate, and if i run the script manually it works just fine
[18:29] <apb1963> ren0v0, "man anacron anacrontab".  Edit /etc/anacrontab.  I suspect you need to add in cron.hourly.  Just guessing, never modified it myself.


[13:08] <dandrader> mterry, ping
[13:08] <mterry> dandrader, hello!
[13:08] <dandrader> mterry, hi. about the slpit-greeter changes. what other packages were affected besides unity8?
[13:09] <mterry> dandrader, uh, depends by what you mean by affected?
[13:09] <dandrader> mterry, asking that because of the qtcompositor work, which is still na a pre-split-greeter world
[13:09] <mterry> dandrader, ubuntu-touch-session and unity8 most directly
[13:09] <mterry> dandrader, ah
[13:10] <dandrader> mterry, what I mean is: if I wanted an image the old way (no split-greeter), which packages should I compile myself (ie, downgrade)?
[13:10] <mterry> dandrader, unity8 is probably the only point of interest that particularly changed from that perspective
[13:10] <mterry> dandrader, unity8 and ubuntu-touch-session
[13:11] <mterry> dandrader, that *should* do it
[13:11] <dandrader> mterry, ok, thanks
[13:45] <dandrader> mterry, so there are no changes to unity-system-compositor that rely on split-greeter stuff?
[13:46] <dandrader> mterry, and as for ubuntu-touch-session, is removing the dependency on unity8-greeter enough?
[13:47] <mterry> dandrader, not that rely on it
[13:47] <mterry> dandrader, just changes that handle it better
[13:47] <mterry> dandrader, you want to remove the dep and remove the "autologin-in-background=true" line from the 52-*.conf file
[13:48] <mterry> dandrader, that line prompts lightdm to start a greeter while it's also autologging in the phablet user
[13:48] <dandrader> mterry, hmm ok.
[13:48] <dandrader> mterry, and what about this:
[13:48] <dandrader> -exec unity-system-compositor $@
[13:48] <dandrader> +exec unity-system-compositor --power-off-delay=500 $@
[13:48] <mterry> dandrader, that's fine  -- technically unrelated to split greeter
[13:49] <dandrader> mterry, ok, thanks
[13:49] <mterry> dandrader, that helps avoid the 'see a frame on screen when turning screen back on' bug
[14:24] <pstolowski> alecu, https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity8/apps-store-id-hack/+merge/222506
[14:26] <cwayne> Saviq: i noticed in a lot of the designs theres  divider inbetween items, is that in the works?