[04:26] <HostingGeek> ogami1971: ask!
[04:26] <h2o> a paid wlan driver loader...free trial then you pay $20 after the trial's over...
[04:26] <h2o> Jeezis: www.linuxant.com
[04:26] <h2o> I've not tried it yet
[04:27] <ogami1971> first - how to adjust pwr management settings- second-is there an easy way to launch programs- like alt+f2?
[04:27] <Jeezis> h2o: huh, i just used ndiswrapper and it loads fine, its just an issure of connectivity
[04:27] <pi> ogami1971: try xbindkeys
[04:28] <h2o> Jeezis: yeah, ndiswrapper loads for me fine also...but something's not right...I've also played with disabling acpi...no different
[04:28] <ogami1971> ooo- thanks- have to go get it first...
[04:29] <Jeezis> h2o: what machine are you running it on?
[04:29] <h2o> Jeezis: Sony Vaio PCG-GRX670 -- you?
[04:29] <Jeezis> h2o: Sager 9860-s
[04:30] <Jeezis> it seems that we are having the same type of problem :-p
[04:31] <Roey> anyone know the answer to my problem?
[04:31] <ogami1971> what was the question?
[04:31] <Roey> I built a kernel, ran "mkinitrd initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> ; grub-update",  and when I booted the new kernel I get this:   http://rafb.net/paste/results/OcvP9T58.html
[04:31] <Roey> what's wrong here?
[04:31] <Roey> er
[04:31] <Roey> how do I fix this?
[04:31] <h2o> yeah...I'm going to go try booting with "noapm nolapic noapic noacpi" in the kernel command line...will let you know if I have success...
[04:31] <Jeezis> h2o: is your wireless card an internal one?
[04:32] <Jeezis> h2o: hell, it cant hurt
[04:32] <h2o> Jeezis: no...external PCMCIA Linksys WPC54G using Broadcom chipset
[04:32] <Absenth> if dist-upgrade ever finishes I can test my ltsp server....
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> question with openoffice
[04:32] <h2o> brb...
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> when you do those slides, they have lines and crap in the background
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> how do you control those
[04:32] <odie5533> Is there a way to mount a directory as a drive, and possibly easily delete it?
[04:32] <bluefoxicy> like, "Dark Blue with Orange" has lines at the bottom
[04:33] <Absenth> odie5533, what is it you'er wanting to do?
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Roey: there is no need to build your own kernel
[04:33] <odie5533> Organize myself more
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Roey: but if you do make you use the ubuntu patches
[04:33] <bananasek> alright, i mounted my partitions with the help of friedcrumpet, but now i can't open the folder, even though i know the mounting worked... any ideas? the error msg say "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "windows"."
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Roey: and you need inotify
[04:34] <odie5533> bananasek you set it wrong
[04:34] <odie5533> bananasek: you working in fstab?
[04:34] <bananasek> in what?
[04:34] <odie5533> howd you mount it
[04:34] <Roey> HostingGeek:  ok, ubuntu patches???
[04:34] <tritium> bananasek, http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[04:34] <friedCrumpet> I was just showing him how to do it at the command line with 'mount'
[04:34] <Roey> HostingGeek:  how so?
[04:35] <bananasek> i'll check that out... and i'll stop wasting ur time
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  and where do I get inotify??
[04:35] <AcidWolf> anyone on PPC know why apt-get update doesnt work
[04:35] <HostingGeek> Roey: if you don't know about that stuff then you shouldn't build your own kernel
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  there are things I need like wacom support, for instance.
[04:35] <Roey> HostingGeek:  I've been building kernels under debian for years... what's so special about ubuntu that you need to use inotify?
[04:35] <bluefoxicy> right, nobody here knows h ow to use ooimpress.
[04:35] <AcidWolf> in hoary :(
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: the should be built inside a module
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  this is just the first time I'm using grub.
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: gnome needs inotify
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  aaah, I'm using KDE ;)
[04:36] <HostingGeek> Roey: kde needs more patches
[04:36] <Roey> HostingGeek:  does it?
[04:36] <madstop> Is anybody using mldonkey, and can you tell me how to run the damn thing?  I can't find a command for the gui
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  I'm concerned that ubuntu is not yet 'finished', by what I hear you say
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: yes like one to make the system run slower ;)
[04:37] <Roey> :)
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: just use the ubuntu kernel
[04:37] <tritium> Roey, so you're using make-kpkg and linux-source-<ver> packages?
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  :) well I think GNOME's Nautilus fills that need just fine.
[04:37] <HostingGeek> Roey: and build the drive as a module
[04:37] <Roey> tritium:  I've done it with straight LILO before.
[04:37] <tritium> Roey, no, the kernel building
[04:37] <Roey> HostingGeek:  no kpkg or anything.
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  none of this kpkg nonsense
[04:38] <tritium> Roey, that's the debian way, not nonsense
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  just build, cp archi/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-blah
[04:38] <tritium> having your kernel under package management is a good thing
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  cp System.map /boot/System.map-blah
[04:38] <HostingGeek> Roey: crimsun i belive knows a lot about this stuff
[04:38] <Roey> tritium:  update lilo.conf accordingly, and run lilo
[04:38] <Roey> HostingGeek:  crimsun is great
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  I know, I know.
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  I've been so lazy with it
[04:39] <Roey> Absenth:  heya
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  anyhow, I can't get this stupid thing to boot right.
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  and, past that, Grub gives me this weird error on startup:
[04:39] <Roey> tritium:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[04:39] <tritium> you'd have an easier time if you were using linux-source-<version> and kernel-package
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  that's with the default kernel.
[04:40] <tritium> Roey, you can patch it
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  patch grub?
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  what's happening, btw??
[04:40] <Roey> tritium:  btw, my /, /boot, and /home are on raid devices.
[04:42] <tritium> Roey, no, the kernel
[04:42] <Roey> tritium:  what's more... why is that  last device appearing differently than the first two ones in this listing:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LuhRpJ24.html
[04:42] <geppy> Hoary:  What package would provide /lib/modules/2.6.10-4-386/build:
[04:42] <Roey> arg, he quit.
[04:42] <friedCrumpet> Okay, one last try to see if I can get this keybinding thing sorted out.  Here is what I am trying to do:  Bind 'Win'+L to lock my screen, just like it works in windows.  I went into System->Keyboard Shortcuts, and tried to set it.  All I got was 'Super_R' in the keybind, which meant that the right windows key by itself would lock the screen.  This is not what I wanted.  Going into Keyboard prefs, Layout Options I have changed it
[04:42] <Roey> I was gonna ask, "patch the kernel now??"
[04:42] <maxchee> does anyone use mldonkey here?
[04:42] <tritium> Roey, no, patch your kernel
[04:43] <maxchee> friedCrumpet: gconf
[04:43] <friedCrumpet> maxchee: What do I do in gconf?
[04:43] <Roey> tritium:   with which patch?
[04:43] <Roey> tritium:  btw, thanks for helping me :)
[04:43] <tritium> Roey, whichever you wanted
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  oh, I see.
[04:44] <tritium> Roey, you complained that the linux-source- package is the default one
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  so I shoudl actually.. apt-get install the kernel sources, then patch it.
[04:44] <Roey> ok.
[04:44] <Roey> tritium:  that default kernel gives me that error with grub.
[04:45] <tritium> Roey, the one you built, or the ubuntu image you can install?
[04:45] <Roey> I have no idea which patch would solve the problem I get on normal bootup:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/LWBrlt42.html
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  the one that ubuntu installed for me.
[04:45] <tritium> Roey, the only reason I mentioned a patch is because you seemed to dislike the default linux-source
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  there are two things here:  (1) I am trying to install a new kernel, (2) I get this error on bootup.
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  understood.
[04:45] <Roey> tritium:  the LinuxWacom project puts out their own wacom drivers
[04:46] <Roey> tritium:  NVidia puts out their own wacom drivers.
[04:46] <Roey> tritium:  I know NVidia drivers are there in Ubuntu, but they're a revision older.
[04:46] <tritium> Roey, I'm not familiar with wacom drivers
[04:46] <tritium> only the nvidia video drivers
[04:48] <Roey> ok
[04:49] <AcidWolf> sigh
[04:52] <Absenth> Weeee........
[04:53] <Deshboard> hellp
[04:53] <Absenth> remind me to exit irc, before flushing pf next time :)
[04:53] <Deshboard> errmmm... *Hello
[04:53] <friedCrumpet> hi
[04:53] <Deshboard> rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
[04:53] <friedCrumpet> If only
[04:54] <Absenth> Deshboard, what was the question?
[04:54] <calc> Deshboard: take 10 of those red pills and call us in the morning
[04:54] <Deshboard> well, I have two of them
[04:54] <Absenth> Deshboard, I was looking at 8 second internet porn.....  ok not really, but it sounded good.
[04:54] <Deshboard> first of all, how do I get a root password? [I know I sounds stupid, beat me up later]
[04:55] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:55] <Deshboard> ...K, I'll have a look, thanks
[04:55] <Absenth> Deshboard, or http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootmodifykernel
[04:56] <Deshboard> and the other one, I have a small HD I used to back up my files
[04:56] <Deshboard> and I have no idea how to mount it
[04:56] <friedCrumpet> Is there a http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MakeTheStupidWindowsKeyWork page?
[04:56] <Absenth> Deshboard, where is it installed?  Second drive on ide0, or first drive on ide1?
[04:57] <Seq> friedCrumpet: work how? its an excellent modifier by default
[04:57] <Deshboard> hmmmpph... I actually have no idea
[04:57] <friedCrumpet> Naw, It doesn't work for me Seq.  Well, not in the way I want to.  I want to press Win+L to lock the screen
[04:57] <madstop> heh, friedCrumpet, when I installed kde in ubuntu I expected that key to work for the menu, but they killed it.
[04:57] <Absenth> Deshboard, it's probibly /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc
[04:57] <Absenth> Deshboard, you can try sudo fdisk /dev/hdb and then p
[04:58] <Absenth> q to exit.
[04:58] <Seq> friedCrumpet: well thats a keybinding thing. the key works, theres just no logo+L binding by default
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> But setting a keybinding causes 'Super_L' or 'Super_R' to come up
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> It doesn't let me use it like a modifier
[04:58] <Deshboard> i think it's hdc actually
[04:58] <Deshboard> the knoppix mounted it as hdc
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> If I try to set the windows keys to Meta or Hyper
[04:58] <neighborlee> does anyone else get a weird little sound ( hoary with gnome 2.10) when going from say 'mail' to 'contacts' in evolution ?
[04:58] <Absenth> then try sudo fdisk /dev/hdc
[04:58] <Seq> ahh, so maybe it is a key by default instead of a modifier. hold on
[04:58] <friedCrumpet> It lets me set a keybinding, but the keybinding doesn't work at all
[04:58] <Deshboard> and... is it safe to modify FAT32?
 rumors say this is the place for online tech/mental support
[04:59] <HostingGeek> besides the forums
[04:59] <Absenth> Deshboard, once you know where the partition is, and what type it is, you can mount it with either mount, or fstab
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and phone support
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and the mailing list
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and friends
[04:59] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee: I get a 'pop' sound
[04:59] <HostingGeek> and....
[04:59] <Absenth> HostingGeek, don't forget the bottle of Captain
[04:59] <Deshboard> I can't use mount... I'm not root
[05:00] <tritium> Deshboard, sudo mount
[05:00] <Absenth> sudo mount
[05:00] <Absenth> everything that requires root,  run the command preceded with "sudo
[05:00] <Deshboard> so, if I type "sudo" as a prefix in the console I can do anything a root can?
[05:00] <Deshboard> oh, you already said that...
[05:00] <Absenth> Deshboard, Correct.
[05:00] <Deshboard> thanks :)
[05:00] <lukin1> hello all
[05:00] <kain> which packages is needed to compile a module against a 2.6.10-5-686 kernel without installing the whole source? or it is mandatory?
[05:01] <Deshboard> problem is, I need root password to stuff like... configuring my ethernet
[05:01] <ice_1963> sudo passwd root
[05:01] <Absenth> sudo = Super User do (I think)  and if not that's my story and I'm sticking with it.
[05:01] <kain> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zc0302 co zc030x
[05:01] <kain> ups
[05:01] <tritium> kain, linux-headers-`uname -r`
[05:01] <Absenth> Deshboard, no you don't  sudo ifconfig attribs.  :)
[05:01] <kain> tritium, ok, I'll check
[05:01] <Deshboard> well... thanks :)
[05:01] <kain> funny, I though they were installed
[05:01] <kain> thanks
[05:02] <Absenth> Deshboard, heh, coming from a redhat background, it's taken some getting used to for me too.
[05:02] <Deshboard> so sudo mount /dev/hdc
[05:02] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, hmm just one pop noise ?..odd mine is like a bunch of little ones strung together..almost like someone playing quick little congo drum piece LOL
[05:02] <Deshboard> I'm from a windows background :/
[05:02] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, weird I know but thats what I get LOL
[05:02] <Deshboard> always said i'd switch but was too lazy
[05:02] <tritium> Deshboard, you need to specify a mount-point
[05:02] <Absenth> Deshboard, probibly $sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /windows (after doing mkdir windows)
[05:02] <HostingGeek> Deshboard: system > admin > user $ groups and give your self access
[05:03] <Absenth> make that.... sudo mkdir /windows :)  unless you're putting it in your home dir.
[05:03] <lukin1> anyone see or fix a problem with Totem Movie Player where AVI's are all choppy?
[05:03] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Maybe look in sound preferences and see what is in there... :)
[05:03] <tritium> lukin1, totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[05:04] <tritium> do you have w32codecs installed?
[05:04] <lukin1> totem-gstreamer i guess... whatever hoary installed :)
[05:04] <lukin1> tritium: i didnt install any codecs .. are they in the update manager
[05:05] <Mestapheles> hi
[05:05] <tritium> lukin1, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:05] <Absenth> alright 2 hours and counting on dist-upgrade
[05:05] <Mestapheles> holy two hrs.  dial up?
[05:06] <Absenth> Mestapheles, no, it's a 500 celery.  taking forever every step of the way.
[05:06] <Deshboard> it doesn't work
[05:06] <lukin1> tritium: thanks a mill .. i will go do some reading!
[05:06] <Deshboard> at first it said I need to specify a file system, so I wrote:
[05:06] <tritium> lukin1, sure :)
[05:06] <Deshboard> sudo mount [-t FAT32]  /dev/hdc1 /windows
[05:06] <tritium> lukin1, my personal preference is xine (or gxine)
[05:06] <Deshboard> but it just spills the complete prefix manual on me
[05:06] <tritium> Deshboard, -t vfat
[05:07] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, veryyy odd...you know it sounds like a slowed down version ( by quite a bit) of question.wav
[05:07] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, odd
[05:07] <tritium> Hi neighborlee :)
[05:07] <Deshboard> "sudo mount [-t vfat]  /dev/hdc1 /windows"??
[05:07] <Absenth> Deshboard, did you create a /windows directory?
[05:07] <tritium> Deshboard, don't use the "[" and "] "
[05:07] <Deshboard> yep
[05:07] <Deshboard> no barriers?
[05:07] <lukin1> tritium: i've only used mplayer before.. but willing to try something different.. i just want my clips to play !
[05:07] <tritium> heh, no
[05:07] <neighborlee> tritium, HI  do I know you or just saying a kind generic hello ;-))heh
[05:08] <tritium> lukin1, good luck :)
[05:08] <Absenth> eclipse $sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /windows
[05:08] <tritium> neighborlee, yes, we've chatted before.  How's the game development?
[05:08] <Deshboard> well, it mounted
[05:08] <Deshboard> but I can't access any directory
[05:08] <neighborlee> tritium, ahhhh ok kewl
[05:08] <neighborlee> tritium, SLOW of course..one man teams tend to be like that <wink>
[05:08] <Mestapheles> if I do a upgrade righ now and encounter any buggy software, it'll be fixed as a simple update right?
[05:08] <tritium> yep
[05:09] <akk> tritium: On that xchat I was building: looks like it built a .deb that works, so I can just ignore the error about signing it.
[05:09] <Deshboard> and when I try browsing through the console I get an empty dir
[05:09] <neighborlee> tritium, but I'm working on altering that ;-)
[05:09] <Absenth> Deshboard, I think.....  and someone can correct me if I'm wrong. you can....   $ chmod 777 /windows
[05:09] <friedCrumpet> neightborlee: Maybe your sound server or drivers are not working properly?
[05:09] <tritium> akk, cool.  You modified the source in some way?
[05:09] <Absenth> throw a sudo in there.
[05:09] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, shrug should be fine...sblive here and so far evo is only app that seems to display this behavior
[05:09] <Absenth> Deshboard, that gives full read/write/execute to /windows for all users.
[05:09] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, it noticeably slows down transitions from say mail to contacts or any other area for that matter
[05:10] <Deshboard> through sudo
[05:10] <Deshboard> ?
[05:10] <Agrajag> Absenth: no you can't
[05:10] <akk> tritium: Yes, a couple of lines to turn off mandatory keybindings that aren't otherwise turnoffable.
[05:10] <Agrajag> fat32 doesn't support permissions
[05:10] <tritium> akk, okay.
[05:10] <akk> (notably ^F)
[05:10] <Agrajag> you have to set a umask when you mount it
[05:10] <Deshboard> arrgghh
[05:10] <friedCrumpet> neighborlee:  Weird.  Maybe evo is using a lot of CPU for some reason at that point.
[05:10] <Absenth> Agrajag  but the /windows has permissions doesn't it.
[05:11] <Deshboard> what should be the complete mount command line? [if I'm not being to pesky]
[05:11] <tritium> Deshboard, have you seen this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#windows ?
[05:11] <Agrajag> yes, but changing the mountpoint's permissions will not change what's mounted
[05:11] <neighborlee> friedCrumpet, yeah would seem to be
[05:11] <Seq> friedCrumpet: yeah, i've got it to let me set the keybinding for Logo+L to lock screen, but it also doesn't work. WHich is odd, because other bindings work, and my logo+number bindings work...
[05:11] <Absenth> WOOOOO!!!! dist-upgrade finished!!!!
[05:12] <Deshboard> well
[05:12] <Miguez> howdy guys.  Been using Ubuntu for three days on a PII 350MHz, everything working great.  Installed in my Athlon machine today, Soyo KT-600 DragonPlus 1.0 mobo, Ubuntu won't recognize the on-board LAN
[05:12] <Deshboard> the directory is there, but I have no permission
[05:12] <Miguez> Soyo has no Linux drivers
[05:12] <Miguez> any ideas?
[05:13] <Mestapheles> say I've a custom installed X, I imagine I shoudl pin it if I want to keep it while upgrading to hoary
[05:13] <Miguez> by the way, checked ubuntuguide also, nothing there
[05:13] <Mestapheles> or will upgrade proceed just fine and simply refused to upgrade all but custom X/
[05:13] <Mestapheles> ?
[05:13] <Deshboard> is there anyway to gain permission?
[05:13] <tritium> Deshboard, did you see the URL I sent you?
[05:14] <Deshboard> oh, sorry, I'll look
[05:15] <kurtwisener> Hi guys
[05:15] <Miguez> hey kurt
[05:15] <kurtwisener> does anyone here know anything about fixing the sound problems on a mac mini
[05:16] <Mestapheles> is hoary being kept up to date with security issues as we speak?
[05:16] <akk> Cool, it works.
[05:16] <Miguez> guys, any ideas on how to enable the onboard LAN?
[05:16] <Miguez> wasn't recognized during install
[05:17] <akk> It even has reasonable default fonts, yay for ubuntu
[05:17] <zenrox> Mestapheles,  yep
[05:18] <Deshboard> finally!
[05:18] <Deshboard> great! you've been much help!
[05:18] <Mestapheles> thanks, I might upgrade tonight by pinning my X else I'll worry about it post upgrade.  Does anuyone knowif the accel freeze issue on iMacs with r128 were ever solved?
[05:19] <kurtwisener> Is this a good place to go for ubuntu/mac support
[05:20] <geneo93> Mestapheles:  lock down the kernel as well
[05:22] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:22] <kurtwisener> Does Mac Mini/Ubuntu Support exist anywhere?
[05:22] <kurtwisener> I have checked the forums
[05:22] <kurtwisener> I didn't see much there
[05:22] <kurtwisener> any clues
[05:23] <neighborlee> hey all.is there a IM cliient for linux that will allow one to have a sweet little icon picture like say msn in windows does ??
[05:23] <kain> neighborlee, gaim
[05:23] <neighborlee> gaim doesnt seem to allow one so im curious
[05:23] <neighborlee> o_0
[05:23] <geneo93> google for it
[05:23] <tritium> neighborlee, gaim does in fact
[05:23] <kain> check msn plugin options
[05:23] <neighborlee> geneo93,gee thanks LOL
[05:24] <neighborlee> kain, ok sounds good
[05:24] <kurtwisener> WHERE DO I GO?
[05:24] <tritium> kurtwisener, please don't yell.
[05:24] <akk> I can't find a font chooser -- does gtkfontsel exist in some ubuntu package?
[05:24] <kurtwisener> sorry
[05:24] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: gaim will put pictures there if people have set them
[05:24] <akk> In debian it's in a package of the same name, but that doesn't seem to be in ubuntu.
[05:24] <kain> damn, spca5xx nor zc030x works with my stoopid creative cam
[05:24] <kurtwisener> I am on my fourth day of this
[05:24] <kurtwisener> seriously
[05:24] <geneo93> gaim supports avitars
[05:25] <tritium> kurtwisener, you're probably one of a small group using ubuntu on mac mini at this point
[05:25] <neighborlee> MacPlusG3, actually sorry my bad..I meant can I put a picture there for people to see
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: i think so... in the settings for something... have a look, i'm sure i've seen it.
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> neighborlee: at least for some networks
[05:25] <tritium> kurtwisener, what's the issue?
[05:25] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's been some discussion on the debian-powerpc list
[05:26] <geneo93> why are you that pretty
[05:26] <kurtwisener> I am trying to fu=igure out what modules to enable in my recomplie
[05:26] <geneo93> hehe
[05:26] <kurtwisener> the mini uses the Apple Intrepid sound setup
[05:27] <kurtwisener> I am trying to find another similar older system configuration to base my efforts off of
[05:27] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: there's only really one or two mac sound drivers. they need some love :)
[05:27] <shai> hei, last one :]
[05:27] <kurtwisener> do powerbooks use Intrepid
[05:28] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: check the debian-powerpc list
[05:28] <shai> I just switched to linux and I'm looking for a good C++ compiler/development enviorment
[05:28] <shai> any reccomendations?
[05:28] <kurtwisener> thank you mac, is that through the debian main site
[05:28] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: yeah, should be easy to find. most ppc related people hang out there. good resource.
[05:29] <MacPlusG3> kurtwisener: and considering ubuntu and debian are pretty closely related, it's still applicable
[05:29] <jsgotangco> qt toolkit is good if you prefer kde
[05:29] <kurtwisener> right on thank you
[05:29] <Yldthing> vim :D
[05:29] <kurtwisener> Tritium sorry about the loudness man
[05:29] <MacPlusG3> shai: Anjuta isn't bad if you want an IDE
[05:29] <shai> I'm on gnome... does it make any diffrence?
[05:29] <kain> waiting for anjuta2...
[05:29] <Yldthing> eclipse is ok
[05:30] <kain> eclipse exists in repositories?
[05:30] <shai> which is the most... standart?
[05:30] <Yldthing> i think the site has it
[05:30] <tritium> kurtwisener, np :)
[05:30] <kurtwisener> later fellas and thanks again
[05:30] <MacPlusG3> shai: there is no real standard.
[05:30] <farruinn> akk: do you have universe enabled?  apt-cache search shows a gtkfontsel package for me
[05:30] <jsgotangco> well theres no standard really except they usually use the same compiler
[05:31] <kain> eclipse-platform doesn't exists in current hoary repository
[05:31] <shai> It was refrainly asked... I meant, which is the closest to the standart ANSI/ISO?
[05:31] <shai> I don't wanna download a compiler just to realize it doesn't match
[05:31] <kain> there is eclipse-nls-sdk
[05:31] <Miguez> where in Ubuntu can I check settings on my NIC?
[05:31] <kain> but it's a localized message catalog
[05:31] <farruinn> shai: gcc is the standard gnu compiler, I think that's ANSI/ISO compatible...
[05:31] <jsgotangco> gcc is the most standard as you can get
[05:32] <jsgotangco> everything in linux has gcc has foundation anyway
[05:32] <shai> hmmpphh, is it comfortable?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> how comfortable does it have to be as a compiler?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> everthing in free software has gcc as foundation
[05:33] <shai> not as a compiler but as an enviorment
[05:33] <akk> farruinn: How do I enable universe?
[05:33] <jsgotangco> oh environment then
[05:33] <kain> wonder why eclipse isn't in multiverse/devel on hoary
[05:33] <jsgotangco> its your call
[05:33] <jsgotangco> theres no standard environment
[05:33] <shai> I know
[05:33] <akk> farruinn: apt-cache search universe doesn't show anything either, here ...
[05:33] <shai> but, I'm looking for a comfy enviorment whose compiler is rather standart
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i swear by emacs though
[05:34] <shai> although I'd sattle for the enviorment rather then for the compiler
[05:34] <farruinn> akk: check the settings>repositories menu in synaptic, make sure everything is checked/enabled
[05:34] <MacPlusG3> shai: things like anjuta (an IDE) combine a text editor and some functionality to manage makefiles. they all end up using GCC at the end
[05:34] <farruinn> shai: I think (for gnome) anjuta is as close as it gets...
[05:34] <MacPlusG3> shai: think of things like anjuta and kdevelop providing a wrapper around GCC, Make, autotools etc
[05:34] <sabmoc> Im having trouble with pan :/
[05:34] <shai> well, if they all have the same compiler, it deosn't really matter which enviorment I choose... right?
[05:35] <akk> farruinn: Is it a known problem that none of the root items like synaptic will run from the menus?
[05:35] <sabmoc> it does not download any of the messages from the server
[05:35] <jsgotangco> it matters to what environment you want your app to run though
[05:35] <Akira> woot! just installed hoary
[05:35] <jsgotangco> if its gnome or kde
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: does it ask for your password?
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: (it should work)
[05:35] <akk> farruinn: Yes.
[05:35] <sabmoc> but gives no error messages from the command line or in the message window
[05:35] <farruinn> akk: you enter your user password?
[05:35] <akk> I type in the password, then nothing happens, or else, sometimes, a dialog comes up saying it failed to run, exit 1
[05:35] <Akira> but how come... it was setup for a different keyboard setup than what i specified on installation
[05:36] <MacPlusG3> shai: yeap, that's why you always hear different people saying <insert environment here> is good
[05:36] <shai> well.. then you say anjuta is a comfy enviorment with a GCC compiler?
[05:36] <MacPlusG3> shai: it's a pretty front end
[05:36] <sal002> How do I set the timezone (non-graphically)?
[05:36] <shai> well, than it might be what I need, I'll give it a shot, thanks
[05:36] <Akira> anyone know the command to install nvidia-glx?
[05:36] <delltony_> what is the name of the application to control your ip and all ? i need to add it to myself for i removed it
[05:36] <farruinn> akk: try 'gksudo synaptic' from the terminal (alternatively hit alt+F2 and enter the command)
[05:37] <farruinn> sal002: iirc the command is tzconfig
[05:37] <farruinn> sal002: if it isn't you can always run base-config, that should allow you to set it
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: It works with gksudo.
[05:37] <farruinn> akk: are you using warty or hoary?
[05:37] <caffinated> does anyone know a way to get audio mixing from multiple sources working?  IE: xmms and a game.
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: hoary, just installed earlier today.
[05:37] <akk> farruinn: from the preview release cd
[05:38] <sal002> farruinn: Thanks!
[05:38] <caffinated> one always seems to block the other
[05:38] <farruinn> akk: ok, in that case I do remember there being a problem with gksudo.  Do an upgrade and it should be fixed.
[05:38] <Absenth> night all.
[05:38] <shai> thanks for your time, G'day
[05:38] <farruinn> shai: enjoy =)
[05:38] <akk> farruinn: okay, will do.
[05:39] <farruinn> Akira: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto :-)
[05:40] <Akira> farruinn: done thanks
[05:40] <Akira> No wonder it wasn't working I forgot to modprobe nvidia
[05:40] <Akira> duh
[05:41] <delltony_> can someone please tlel me which application needs to be installed to change ip?
[05:41] <sal002> Anyone else have problems with hoary and tulip ethernet driver?
[05:42] <farruinn> delltony_: how was it you were changing your ip before? (and why?...)
[05:42] <Tomcat23> Hope y'all don't mind if I ask some Ubuntu questions here ;)
[05:42] <delltony_> always used /etc/network/interfaces
[05:42] <delltony_> but there was a gui in ubuntu for it but then i moved the kde and kde doesn't have it so id like the ap that did it in a gui
[05:43] <Tomcat23> I'm a new linux user, and I've only gotten gentoo instaled (with gnome and working after 2 weeks...what a learning curve...)
[05:43] <farruinn> delltony_: well if you want the complete gnome desktop back you can install ubuntu-desktop, but that's likely to remove a lot of universe stuff you've installed
[05:43] <hitriko> how do i install gaim, b/c it's giving me an error message... should i post the wrror message?
[05:44] <Yldthing> ubuntu comes with gaim doesn't it
[05:44] <Yldthing> ?
[05:44] <Akira> hoary slays warty
[05:44] <Tomcat23> But my next install I'm considering Ubuntu, coz it's based on Debian and from all the reviews the synapse(?) fronted for apt-get is well worth it...
[05:44] <farruinn> hitriko: if it's a long message please use a pastebin website
[05:44] <hitriko> no it's not
[05:44] <delltony_> i don't want the complete thing back only that one portion
[05:44] <hitriko> it's like a 3 line
[05:44] <geneo93> yes it does
[05:44] <farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic, and actually it's a front-end to dpkg ;)
[05:44] <jason> delltony_:
[05:45] <Yldthing> Tomcat23, synaptic
[05:45] <Yldthing> and yes, it is awesome
[05:45] <jason> son(+i)]  [2:#ubuntu(+cnt)]  [Act: 1,3]
[05:45] <jason> [#ubuntu]
[05:45] <delltony_> jason?
[05:46] <farruinn> Tomcat23: imho using apt is a beautiful way of managing packages :)
[05:46] <jason> sorry
[05:46] <jason> it is network-admin
[05:46] <Tomcat23> farruinn: thx. yeah. I've heard it's good. I went with Gentoo originally coz I liked that I'd be able to install and uninstall things... but found out the hard way that it's a bit too advanced for me. A fact the Gentoo forums have pointed out a few times.
[05:46] <delltony_> hm not found with a search
[05:46] <farruinn> Tomcat23: synaptic is very user friendly imo
[05:47] <Yldthing> lol for most of the gentoo install i was going "WTF!?"  So i just went with ubuntu
[05:48] <Chipzz> Tomcat23: if "uninstalling" things is high on your priority list gentoo would be the very last distribution to try IMHO
[05:48] <farruinn> hrm, hitriko left.... :/
[05:48] <jason> the command I have is gksudo network-admin for that tool and it is part of gnome I believe
[05:49] <farruinn> delltony_: network-admin is part of the gnome-system-tools package
[05:49] <farruinn> (dpkg -S file to find what package owns the file)
[05:50] <sal002> will installing the ubuntu-desktop virtual package give me a basic ubuntu system?
[05:50] <Tomcat23> Oh man, Installed Gentoo (total linux newbie here) and the 1st time around (with days and days of compile time) I didn't know what modules I needed, so I skipped them thinking (as the docs said) I'd get what modules autoloaded like the livecd.... but nope. When I finally had a friend tell me to try 'lsmod' it saved the day... but now I've got it running, and I like gnome, but installing anything is just too much for me, and I've spent days going ove
[05:50] <knapjack> sal002: Yep
[05:50] <knapjack> sal002: Did you install a minimal system or something?
[05:50] <Yldthing> doesn't emerge do everything for you, Tomcat23 ?
[05:51] <jason> Tomcat23: sure you learned alot though :)
[05:51] <sal002> knapjack: nah..install failed
[05:52] <Tomcat23> Well, After spending 3 evenings trying to figure out how to install a driver that wasn't in the blessed gentoo package... I'm ready to try somethign else
[05:52] <Tomcat23> On the next box I do... leaving the gentoo one up for now
[05:52] <farruinn> Tomcat23: I would highly recommend ubuntu.  When a friend tells me they want to try out linux I hand them an ubuntu CD =)
[05:53] <jason> gentoo always seemed too far on the cutting edge when I used it
[05:53] <jason> always something I needed broke
[05:53] <Tomcat23> I have the unbuntu livecd... can I do the install with just it?
[05:53] <Yldthing> i got bootup errors when i tried gentoo right after i installed
[05:53] <Yldthing> didn't like what i saw
[05:53] <jason> Tomcat23: dont think so
[05:54] <farruinn> Tomcat23: unfortunately I think doing that would be more troublesome than installing gentoo :/  You'll have to get the install cd.
[05:55] <akk> KarlosII: Hard to say, but cheap generic ones usually seem to work.
[05:55] <Tomcat23> Yeah, Gentoo left a lot to be desired. I'm gonna research upgrading to vidalinux on the gentoo box and get ubuntu on another as soon as the main install iso comes down (thx Jason)
[05:55] <Akira> God, selling a ati 9800 pro is hard
[05:56] <Tomcat23> I'm hoping to get asterisk up on ubuntu.. Is it in the main package?
[05:56] <jason> with a bit of tweaking im pretty happy with ubuntu at the moment
[05:56] <Tomcat23> or in the .. universe package?
[05:57] <jason> took a month to make friends
[05:57] <farruinn> Tomcat23: universe
[05:57] <Tomcat23> Ah, good.
[05:58] <DJCryptic> quick question: is there a way to change the color of the window backgroup using Gnome?
[05:58] <Tomcat23> I want to do a fancy answering machine with different rings (and emailed voicemails) and I know it's possible in Asterisk to do, if I get the right type of modem in the box.
[05:59] <farruinn> DJCryptic: (hoary) System>Preferences>Desktop Background, select "no wallpaper", click the color button, choose color :)
[06:00] <DJCryptic> not the desktop background, the individual window backgrounds... like if i open up my home folder
[06:00] <Amaranth> Hey, anyone on hoary wanna test my menu editor?
[06:01] <farruinn> DJCryptic: oooh, I think if you open nautilus you can change that, otherwise it's a gtk theme thing (take a look at the cool ice theme for example)
[06:01] <farruinn> er, thinice*
[06:01] <Tomcat23> So as a soon to be new ubuntu user, should I go with hoary for now...?
[06:01] <DJCryptic> farruinn, thank you... trying now
[06:02] <DJCryptic> btw... Ubuntu 5.04 Preview 2 is running godlike on my G4 iBook 933mhz
[06:02] <farruinn> Tomcat23: hoary freezes one week from now, so if you experience any problems (I'm runny hoary now with hardly any problems) they'll be fixed over the ocurse of the next couple of weeks
[06:02] <DJCryptic> thank you so so much :)
[06:03] <jason> Tomcat23: I am using hoary because I have pretty new hardware
[06:03] <Akira> I'm haveing less problems with hoary than warty...
[06:03] <jason> Akira: same here
[06:04] <DJCryptic> im just wishing that someone would leak airport extreme's driver source so someone can make airport extreme work in linux
[06:04] <Akira> jason: Yeah, same here, however i need to upgrade from a ati9800 to a 6600 or something
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: haha
[06:05] <tim__> I never tried warty, kind of fell into hoary and it has been great so far.
[06:05] <SeeleyUSMC> I've got 2 friends here that want to try out Linux so I'm going to help them install Ubuntu Hoary on their laptops.  Only problem is, we all use Atheros wireless cards to connect to the net, so I guess I better learn how to setup MADWiFi huh?
[06:05] <Akira> jason: Right now using a mx440, so linux can work well
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: my friend is reverse engineering them atm
[06:05] <farruinn> HrdwrBoB: niiiiice :D
[06:05] <DJCryptic> its annoying to have an airport extreme wired inside of the ibook... then have a linksys USB wireless B card velcro'ed to the lid of the laptop
[06:06] <jason> Akira: my radion mobility 9000 works pretty good with the free drivers
[06:06] <DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, give your friend a pat on the back, it will be great when they do it :)
[06:06] <farruinn> DJCryptic: tbh, if I had an apple laptop I probably wouldn't use linux on it, but I have a couple of old macs and linux breaths new life into them ;)
[06:06] <HrdwrBoB> farruinn: he reversed ALAC recently but now he's got an ax, cut it open and should be extracting the data from it
[06:06] <Tomcat23> Cool, that's good to hear. And I should be able to upgrade any core components through synaptic?
[06:06] <Akira> jason: well thats why its a 9000
[06:07] <Akira> jason: 9800 are not supported, and if you try atis drivers
[06:07] <yasirf> hello
[06:07] <yasirf> how to change the root password
[06:07] <DJCryptic> i love linux, and i really really dislike MacOS X... so between the two... linux went on here first thing
[06:07] <yasirf> what is the command
[06:07] <Akira> jason: its a horrible sight, all sorts of errors and stuff, nothing works
[06:08] <farruinn> yasirf: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:08] <jason> Akira: I wont use non-free anything so ...
[06:08] <Akira> jason: im totally converting once i upgrade my card, and the ati drivers are free...
[06:09] <DJCryptic> i have 10.3 dualbooted so my girlfriend can borrow it sometimes... other then that... linux is great
[06:09] <DJCryptic> yellowdog was kinda glitchy on here, so i tried ubuntu, and i havent found a glitch yet
[06:09] <farruinn> DJCryptic: good to hear, I've never tried yellowdog, so now I won't be tempted ;)
[06:10] <Akira> werid, a distro made for apples is glitchy
[06:10] <akk> Why doesn't middleclick in the content area work on ubuntu's firefox?
[06:10] <jason> it is saltydog
[06:10] <farruinn> akk: what's it supposed to do?
[06:10] <akk> Aha, because you've set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false!
[06:10] <akk> It's supposed to go to that url.
[06:11] <DJCryptic> Akira, i dont know why, it didnt handle well on my G3 iMac (sluggish) and glitched up all of the time on my G4 iBook.
[06:11] <DJCryptic> im still primarly a PC person...
[06:11] <DJCryptic> this laptop was just too good of a deal to pass up when i bought it
[06:11] <Akira> DJCryptic: maybe just a werid situation or something
[06:12] <Akira> DJCryptic: what kind of deal?
[06:12] <DJCryptic> brand new 14" ibook 933mhz with airport card and 2 year FULL warranty for $800
[06:12] <tim__> leaving
[06:12] <DJCryptic> i can run the thing over with my car and they will fix it
[06:12] <Akira> DJCryptic: wow nice, that american?
[06:12] <DJCryptic> yep
[06:12] <jason> DJCryptic: pretty fast with Ubuntu? how much ram?
[06:13] <Akira> DJCryptic: oh, that is an awesome deal
[06:13] <DJCryptic> using the stock 256 megs and its running GREAT
[06:13] <DJCryptic> im doing software updates... downloading using firefox and have mp3s playing... no lag
[06:13] <Akira> my p3 ran with 219 or something, and it ran alright
[06:14] <Akira> hmm, i wish i could update
[06:14] <Akira> takes too long on dialup
[06:14] <DJCryptic> lol... yep
[06:14] <ytripppy> this old guy i work with gave me some ubuntu cd's mailed out to him
[06:14] <ytripppy> he doesnt have a PC.
[06:14] <DJCryptic> im on 6mbps cable
[06:14] <BrettMeister> I would appreciate some help....
[06:15] <Akira> i use to download updates and such at school, but since they installed a proxy server, i cant
[06:15] <Siddhartha> I'm new to linux. Should I use ext2 or ext3 for my linux partition?
[06:15] <BrettMeister> I just fouled up my root login and now I can't figure out what I typed in.  Can't get to root.
[06:15] <Akira> nice... fast?
[06:15] <jason> ext3
[06:15] <ytripppy> im wondering why i cant record sound in ubuntu
[06:15] <farruinn> Siddhartha: ext3 has journalling, I'd use that
[06:15] <BrettMeister> Anything short of another install?
[06:15] <DJCryptic> ext3 or riser
[06:15] <Siddhartha> What does that mean?
[06:15] <Siddhartha> What's riser? Is it better?
[06:15] <ytripppy> i know how to use the mixer.
[06:15] <Akira> its a type of partition
[06:15] <ytripppy> it all looks good.
[06:15] <will`> reiser _is_ the best =D
[06:15] <Akira> like ntfs, and fat32
[06:15] <delltony_> Unpacking replacement xlibmesa-gl ...
[06:15] <delltony_> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_6.8.2-5.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:15] <delltony_>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx-6-8-0
[06:15] <farruinn> BrettMeister: were you setting the root password or the user password?
[06:15] <delltony_> any idea ?
[06:16] <ytripppy> the wizard in gnomemetting will not work
[06:16] <Akira> and fatx
[06:16] <DJCryptic> ah... forgot the e :)
[06:16] <Siddhartha> So ntfs is to fat32 as riser is to ext2/3?
[06:16] <farruinn> delltony_: remove fglrx-6-8-0 first
[06:16] <DJCryptic> Siddhartha, kinda
[06:16] <will`> Siddhartha: that looks about right
[06:16] <Akira> kinda, but ext2/3 are not as bad as fat
[06:16] <delltony_> aww so its to do witht he fact i'm running the ati driver ok
[06:16] <DJCryptic> ext2 is extremely slow... expesially if you shutdown wrong
[06:16] <Akira> they are better
[06:17] <delltony_> well is ubuntu ever gonna fix theirs?
[06:17] <Siddhartha> Well, partition magic doesn't offer riser. Should I leave some space unallocated and let the installer partition space and format it?
[06:17] <jason> Siddhartha: can you upgrade from 3.6 to 4 in Ubuntu?
[06:17] <DJCryptic> thats what i do :)
[06:17] <Akira> O YEAH
[06:17] <Akira> Fetched 3878kB in 14m42s (4395B/s)
[06:17] <delltony_> the one in the repository creates a xfree86 file instead of a xorg.conf one
[06:17] <Siddhartha> jason: What's 3.6 and 4? Are those versions of this riser format?
[06:17] <codyman> what apt-get dev file is for "x includes" and "qt"
[06:18] <jason> yeah
[06:18] <DJCryptic> Siddhartha, i just leave the space unallicated... and then do it in the installer
[06:18] <Siddhartha> ok. thanks.
[06:18] <wjesusaxl> hey guys do you know another text editor besides jedit
[06:18] <Akira> gedit
[06:18] <Akira> vim
[06:18] <Siddhartha> gonna run the installer now. i'll prolly be back once i get it online.
[06:18] <jason> I use reiser 3.6 but would like to use 4
[06:18] <Akira> emacs
[06:18] <DJCryptic> lol... i use pico still :)
[06:18] <farruinn> codyman: xlibs-dev will get  you x includes I believe
[06:18] <Akira> there is like a billion
[06:18] <Akira> same
[06:18] <Akira> or nano now
[06:19] <HostingGeek> Does anyone want xchat-gnome packages? (the devel doesn't want me to upload it to the reps as he belives it not ready but i say diffrent)
[06:19] <DJCryptic> thats the only thing PINE is good for now is PICO
[06:19] <DJCryptic> PINE is just OLD!
[06:19] <codyman> thanks farruinn
[06:20] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:20] <Akira> ugh, im going to get find something to do while xmms download and music copys to hdd...
[06:20] <wjesusaxl> do you know why jedit doesn't work quite ok... I can get it opened
[06:21] <DJCryptic> ive actually got a question with Ubuntu... why can i not SU with my root password
[06:21] <codyman> anyone know whats the generic apt qt dev package file name
[06:21] <DJCryptic> i noticed the same thing with ubuntu 4
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: because by default there is no root password
[06:21] <HrdwrBoB> you should use sudo
[06:21] <picole> hello,i wanna to know why my totem can't play the movie?
[06:21] <wjesusaxl> problems with jedit
[06:21] <picole> i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
[06:21] <farruinn> SeeleyUSMC: I belive you want linux-source-$(uname -r)
[06:21] <ytripppy> is there anyone to reset the soundcard?
[06:21] <wjesusaxl> hey picole try mplayer
[06:21] <DJCryptic> HrdwrBoB, whats the syntax on that?
[06:22] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> DJCryptic: 'sudo command'
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> or sudo -s for shell
[06:22] <wjesusaxl> su -
[06:22] <helio7> Does anyone know a command or method of renaming a batch of files (say jpegs) say 050321_01.jpg, 050321.02.jpg, etc. etc.??
[06:22] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth?
[06:22] <geneo93> DJCryptic:  try sudo passwd root
[06:22] <wjesusaxl> does anyone know how to make jedit work?
[06:23] <Myrtti> good morning angels
[06:23] <Myrtti> I have to try if my Citrix install really works still
[06:23] <picole> hi,i have copy the win32codecs into /usr/lib/win32,but my totem still can't play the rmvb or wmv ,somebody help me?
[06:24] <akk> helio7: you can do it with a for loop in your shell.
[06:24] <DJCryptic> what is the best video file player for ubuntu, any suggestions?
[06:25] <sic|> is there anyone who has an smb.conf file for a setup where it is a linux box on a home workgroup where the windows boxes are winxp with no logon...I just need a good example to go off of
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> xine
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> either that or mplayer
[06:25] <helio7> all so I'd need to create a script?
[06:25] <wjesusaxl> both work fine to me
[06:25] <helio7> akk:  so I'd need to create a script?
[06:25] <saber> Why is it that unbutu 4.10 ships with kernel 2.6.8, but you can only install 2.6.7 using apt-get?
[06:25] <DJCryptic> wjesusaxl, neither are available with apt-get?
[06:25] <niran> saber: the package names changed
[06:25] <niran> make sure you're looking for the right one
[06:25] <akk> helio7: You can just type a for loop into the cmdline.
[06:26] <akk> helio7: I'm more familiar with tcsh than bash; in tcsh you'd say something like
[06:26] <geneo93> saber:  maybe you dont have repositories enabled
[06:26] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
[06:26] <saber> niran: apt-get install kernel-source        <- returns a list of "aliases" ... the lastest "ubuntu" kernel is not listed
[06:26] <akk> helio7: foreach f (*.jpg)\n mv $f $f.new\n end
[06:26] <phxguy> anyone here familiar with bluetooth? I could use some help
[06:26] <akk> helio7: (\n is a newline)
[06:27] <Darkone238> Maybe someone can help me. I am trying to set up a samba share and when I try to log in from my windows computer, it gives me an error regarding "Access denied. Multiple users aren't allowed" something along those lines. anyone encountered this that can help?
[06:27] <saber> geneo: i've made changed to /etc/apt/sources.list, and ran apt-get update
[06:27] <akk> helio7: you didn't say how you wanted them renamed -- that would move foo.jpg to foo.jpg.new which I'm sure isn't quite what you want)
[06:27] <saber> What's the correct new name?
[06:27] <HostingGeek> when is grumpy merge going to start? (not talking about bendy or pengiun)
[06:27] <niran> saber: kernel-source isn't the right package. i think it's linux-source
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> akk: I use ; instead of \n
[06:28] <helio7> akk: cool I don't even know what tcsh is (= i wanted them renamed with the date, then a 3 digit serial # then .jpg (= does ubuntu have tcsh by default?
[06:28] <farruinn> HostingGeek: I think they've changed it to "breezy badger"
[06:28] <geneo93> saber:  have you looked at synaotic and seen whats enabled there
[06:28] <saber> OH, ok.
[06:28] <saber> I have no idea what synaotic is, geneo
[06:28] <Darkone238> synaptic
[06:29] <saber> aha... perfect niran: it is linux-source
[06:29] <akk> helio7: In bash I think it's: for f in *.jpg; do, then at the end done instead of end
[06:29] <HostingGeek> fabbione: or something pengiun now (they rererererererererenamed the wikipage again)
[06:29] <farruinn> HostingGeek: jdub announced a mascot competition a litle while ago
[06:29] <geneo93> saber:  uts the gui frontend to apt
[06:30] <fabbione> HostingGeek ?????
[06:30] <geneo93> ah gee i should give up for the day
[06:30] <HostingGeek> * farruinn
[06:30] <Akira> ubuntu mascot?
[06:30] <HostingGeek> there to many people in this channel
[06:30] <HostingGeek> Akira: at least its nothing offence like 3 naked people
[06:30] <akk> helio7: If they don't have that serial number now, and you need the shell to count up for you, it's a little more complicated.
[06:31] <Akira> HostingGeek: awwwwwwww
[06:31] <wjesusaxl> help me out guys with jedit
[06:31] <HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: gedit
[06:31] <farruinn> wjesusaxl: what exaclty is the problem?
[06:31] <ian> it seems that ubuntu defaults to 24 bit color.  just FYI, I changed to 16 bit and GDK drawing is significantly faster
[06:31] <wjesusaxl> I can't get it to work
[06:32] <HostingGeek> wjesusaxl: so use gedit
[06:32] <wjesusaxl> ok
[06:32] <Amaranth> ian: It takes less work to handle 16 bits than it does to handle 24 bits, of course it'll go faster.
[06:32] <helio7> akk: hmm thanks for the info; I wonder if there's a utility more within my ability to do it for me (=
[06:33] <farruinn> Mascot competition info: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-March/000020.html
[06:33] <wjesusaxl> jedit looked nicer...
[06:33] <wjesusaxl> :p
[06:33] <ian> Amaranth: sometimes 32 bit is faster than 24 bit, so you can't always apply the "obvious" rule-- but my point was just that 24 bit need not be the default and/or people in here might want to consider changing it :)
[06:33] <geneo93> ian:  change to two bits
[06:33] <Amaranth> ian: iirc the math for handling 24-bit is odd
[06:34] <helio7> akk currently they're "img_4277" and such you think i could replace the "img" part with the date?
[06:34] <ian> Amaranth: yeah it's 3 bytes which computers don't like :)
[06:34] <Amaranth> ian: so 16 and 32 would be faster, but 24 gives more detail then 16 so most people will want it
[06:34] <ian> does it?  I don't see any difference
[06:34] <ian> maybe in the gimp or something
[06:34] <deFrysk> ian, believe me there is
[06:35] <akk> helio7: Yes, that's not too hard.
[06:35] <Amaranth> ian: It has to, it's 24 bits of color data vs 16 bits of color data.
[06:35] <madstop> ian or Amaranth, for a newbie: just how does one change color depth?  I can't find any settings for it.  I'd like 32 bit.
[06:35] <ian> Amaranth: no, it doesn't have to.  a 16 bit image won't look better on a 24 bit screen
[06:35] <Amaranth> madstop: iirc if it can X will use 32-bit when you set it to 24
[06:35] <deFrysk> fedora would say millions of coluers vs thousands of colours
[06:35] <wjesusaxl> thanks guys
[06:36] <geneo93> ian:  i you had a 25 inch monitor you would
[06:36] <Amaranth> ian: No, but a 24-bit image will look better.
[06:36] <argonaught> i have a question, have ubuntu support for i810 video?
[06:36] <ian> geneo93: what does color depth have to do with resolution / dpi ?
[06:36] <JDahl> argonaught, yes
[06:36] <graben> greetings everyone
[06:36] <madstop> sorry Amaranth, I don't understand "iirc"
[06:36] <Amaranth> madstop: if i remember correctly
[06:36] <geneo93> yes
[06:36] <Siddhartha> I am networking to my Toshiba PCX1100U cable modem through USB. http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/support/downloads.html says USB networking with the modem isn't supported under linux. Is their a third party USB driver that works for this modem?
[06:37] <madstop> ah! thanks Amaranth.
[06:37] <ian> madstop: you can change it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 -- I don't know of a GUI way (?)
[06:37] <HappyPills> Anyone tried moving ReiserFS partitions before? what did you use?
[06:37] <graben> Quick question, does ubuntu have Japanese input support, and if so with one? ie scim, wnn, etc
[06:37] <Amaranth> Siddhartha: All I know about USB networking is that I was told to avoid it at all costs. I'm guessing this is something that isn't really there yet as far as linux driver support goes.
[06:38] <ian> madstop: DefaultDepth    24         just change to 16 (there may be a GUI way to do this?)
[06:38] <madstop> Can't understand why color depth settings aren't included in the same dialogs as resolution.
[06:38] <Amaranth> Siddhartha: Try searching google.
[06:38] <ian> madstop: neither can I!
[06:38] <Siddhartha> I will. Thanks anyway.
[06:38] <akk> helio7: for f in img_*; do mv $f `echo $f | sed 's/img_/0321_/'`; done
[06:38] <deFrysk> ian, alwayse use dpkg-recofigure
[06:38] <Amaranth> ian, madstop: I don't think you can change color depth without restarting X.
[06:38] <deFrysk> reconfigure
[06:38] <akk> helio7: Try that in a scratch directory first (copy all the images somewhere safe), don't blindly trust me on that. :-)
[06:38] <geneo93> in kde i think it is
[06:39] <bored2k> Amaranth I added an Entry with the past version, and it will not show on the latest one you posted .
[06:39] <madstop> btw, photos look fine on my display -- laptop widescreen, but the default gradiated wallpapers look horrible, even when not stretched--
[06:39] <madstop> very patchy
[06:39] <Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
[06:39] <helio7> akk: thanks so much eh? very helpful
[06:39] <madstop> any ideas about why?
[06:39] <ian> Amaranth: hopefully in the near future...
[06:41] <Amaranth> bored2k: Can you PM me the contents of the .desktop file?
[06:41] <Amaranth> err
[06:41] <Amaranth> bored2k: Oh, if you tried to PM me already you'll have to do it again.
[06:41] <madstop> heh, probably just need to check around for wallpapers meant for this resolution,,, Thanks for the info, ian, Amaranth
[06:44] <ian> Amaranth: an idea I'd like to throw out there-- the screen resolution preferences could have depth setting and update the x config file, but tell the user he needs to restart X (or just "reboot")
[06:44] <sianis> good morning ey
[06:45] <hams> what are the 'apt' commands to update after an ubuntu install?
[06:45] <sianis> apt-get update
[06:45] <sianis> this command is update the list
[06:45] <ian> madstop: you put up with a few things in Linux... :)  but then, same goes for Windows, eh?
[06:45] <farruinn> ian: really kernel upgrades are the only things that require reboots, it would be better to just restart the X server
[06:46] <ian> farruinn: I agree.  How does a non-technical user do that?
[06:46] <geneo93> hams:  you need to enable all the repositories first
[06:46] <sianis> hams: start the synaptic, press update and install all application what you need
[06:46] <farruinn> ian: these are good ideas, all things that need to be addressed for Linux to be a robust desktop os
[06:47] <ian> "just switch to a console and type 'sudo killlall -HUP gdm'" ? :)
[06:47] <sianis> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:47] <farruinn> ian: well in ubuntu it's sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ;)
[06:47] <ian> farruinn: forgive me, I'm a slackware convert :)
[06:48] <sianis> delete all # front of the addresses
[06:48] <farruinn> ian: heheh, of course :) but seriously you might consider submitting a feature request to gnome
[06:48] <ian> farruinn: what I'd really love is if X would come out of the stone ages :)
[06:48] <helio7> akk: it worked beautifully, on a test batch, I will save it, study it, memorize it!  Thanks for saving me hours of googling; I am most appreciative
[06:48] <ian> farruinn: I'm hoping Novell, RedHat or Canonical will work some magic
[06:50] <ian> farruinn: happen to know if KDE has an option for color depth?
[06:50] <farruinn> I haven't used kde in the longest time...
[06:51] <akk> helio7: Great!  Glad it worked.
[06:51] <madstop> ian, while you're at it (go get 'em man! We non (yet) *nixers need you) try to get boot managers and log-in managers to be less of a pain as well...  :-)
[06:51] <geneo93> farruinn:  you should try 3.4 it is nice
[06:52] <ian> madstop: how so?
[06:52] <stazz> is kde available for ubuntu?
[06:52] <madstop> thing is, from my perspective, it's ironic that hackers who one presumes love a command line, would create guis that require so much damn click clicking
[06:53] <ian> stazz: see topic.
[06:53] <madstop> going hither and yon, this menu or that, configure here, configure there.  Stuff needs to be consolidated.
[06:53] <geneo93> ian:  auto login
[06:53] <bored2k> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <stazz> ian: which part of it?
[06:53] <ian> stazz: "kubuntu"
[06:53] <madstop> pardon my rant, ian
[06:53] <stazz> aahh.
[06:54] <stazz> which version is on it?
[06:54] <sianis> what is the kubuntu desktop?
[06:54] <ian> madstop: I'm not sure what you mean-- have it all in one big "control center" ?
[06:54] <geneo93> stazz #kubuntu
[06:54] <sianis> is it a KDE?
[06:54] <madstop> ubuntu (and especially "kubuntu") have gone 80 percent of the way there...
[06:54] <pablo928> stazz : I believe it's KDE 3.6?
[06:55] <ian> does gnome have a special nautilus location that shows all config apps?
[06:55] <stazz> pablo928: such thing doesn't exist :)
[06:55] <ian> the KDE control center is insane
[06:55] <Siddhartha> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=912 has a check mark for Toshiba PCX1100U's status with CDCEther through usb. What does mean about getting the modem to work through usb on ubuntu? How would it be done?
[06:55] <madstop> Nope, ian, just sensible associations of things-- like we said, color depth and resolution together, for example.
[06:55] <geneo93> ian:  have you ever seen mandrake control center
[06:56] <madstop> Less confusing menus.
[06:56] <stazz> geneo93: always write your own configs
[06:56] <hams> what is apt-get upgrade ? does it upgrade all your packages?
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> hams: yes
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> dist-upgrade is prefereable
[06:56] <HrdwrBoB> it intelligently upgrades your packages
[06:56] <ian> madstop: KDE has a sensible control center? :)
[06:57] <madstop> log-in screens that concentrate more on information and quickly made choices by the user than on prettiness.
[06:57] <geneo93> stazz:  yes
[06:57] <ian> doesn't KDE's control center have a search box?
[06:57] <hams> how do i check if i have a particular package installed?
[06:57] <HappyPills>  oooh, if I install winXP to /dev/hda2 how borked do you think it'l make /dev/hda1? (where Ubuntu is installed)
[06:57] <madstop> kubuntu's settings interfaces aren't bad at all
[06:57] <madstop> for linux land
[06:57] <stazz> HappyPills: it will break your mbr
[06:57] <pablo928> stazz : I  was just on the Canonical site, they say which version of KDE it is.
[06:58] <HappyPills> stazz, is that all?
[06:58] <madstop> but, xfce4 -- great
[06:58] <stazz> HappyPills: mostly, yes. that means that you can't boot to linux afterwards
[06:58] <HappyPills> because if that is all I can just throw in the Ubuntu cd and restore my mbr
[06:58] <geneo93> ian:  yes
[06:58] <HappyPills> FOllowing the steps in the unnofficial guide
[06:58] <madstop> and grub is a pain in the ass.  End of rant!
[06:59] <ian> geneo93: you think this is usable?  http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/94.png
[06:59] <ian> if so, we have different ideas of what most people want in a computer :)
[06:59] <geneo93> madstop:  i prefer lilo myself
[06:59] <madstop> geneo93, i was afraid you'd say that...
[07:00] <madstop> ;-)
[07:00] <geneo93> ian:  for what
[07:00] <ian> geneo93: for 99% of the world
[07:00] <damripp> whats the command to add more modes to my ubuntu's resoulutions?
[07:02] <geneo93> well you know most of the ppl coming over to linux are going to have trouble so its needs to be real simple and not days of reading
[07:02] <HappyPills> damripp, don't you have to edit the xf86config file in /etc/X11/?
[07:02] <damripp> i thought there was a wizard type command.
[07:03] <ian> geneo93: I agree.  I think that's an argument against that beast of a KDE control center :)
[07:03] <HappyPills> I don't know Ubuntu well enough to know about any wizard
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:03] <HappyPills> if you do meet one than hit him for me though
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:03] <deFrysk> damripp, make sure you know what you are doing
[07:03] <geneo93> ian:  at least its more than gnome has
[07:04] <ian> geneo93: think so?  I don't
[07:04] <damripp> yeah, ive fuxed this before
[07:04] <ian> geneo93: I mean, sure, it's MORE.  Lots MORE.  and that's worse! :)
[07:05] <geneo93> and in kde you can right click screen to do most things like screen size and so on
[07:05] <ian> geneo93: having it all in one place is good, but KDE has some real trouble with preferences-overload.  I was talking to the KDE guys at LinuxWorldExpo about it (and they agree).  But it's going to be a serious problem for them to "fix", since so many KDE users are "hardcore" and like it that way
[07:05] <madstop> ian, if you want to hand out awards for horrible, beastly control centers, give it to gconfig, not kde
[07:05] <geneo93> its much more windows user style
[07:05] <ian> madstop: gconfig is not for novice users
[07:05] <madstop> kde can be pretty much learned by using.
[07:06] <madstop> which is to say, ian, that gnome is not for users.
[07:06] <madstop> I mean, I don't know how else to alter anything in there.
[07:06] <geneo93> ian:  thats the problem thats whats coming
[07:07] <madstop> I do wish people would try not to succumb to the notion that "more windows user style" is only alternative to most linux guis
[07:08] <madstop> Many of my issues with these guis is they're alreay to damn windows like.
[07:08] <billytwowilly> heh. my desktop looks nothing like windows.
[07:08] <madstop> "too damn"
[07:08] <ian> madstop: if you think KDE is easier to learn, why do you think gnome is favored by big companies in their rollouts?
[07:08] <billytwowilly> http://members.shaw.ca/quilley/snapshot4.png Boo shacka;)
[07:09] <madstop> Neither does mine, though if I say it's kde, people will assume, "oh, because it's like windows"
[07:09] <sic|> anyone know off the top of there head why the windows boxes on my network can browes my ubuntu file server, but the file server cannot browse the windows shares...its sees them but can't open them
[07:09] <deFrysk> gnome is easyest to work with
[07:09] <pablo928> madstop: It's just that most new Linux users are migrating from windows.
[07:09] <billytwowilly> ian: because gnome is standard on redhat.
[07:09] <ian> billytwowilly: it's favored by big companies because it's the standard on redhat?
[07:09] <ian> billytwowilly: redhat is a big company.  why is it the standard on redhat?
[07:09] <madstop> ian, one thing I know for sure, what I look for in a desktop computer is not predicated by "big companies in their rollouts"
[07:10] <hams> with useradd, what do you specify so the user can't login?
[07:10] <madstop> gnome is fine if you've got staff to do a mass install and configuration, for a user who wants to personalize, but isn't technically expert- that's where you have problems with gnome
[07:11] <mass> madstop: a mass install?
[07:11] <deFrysk> madstop, ???
[07:11] <madstop> pablo928, there's a reason we're migrating from windows!
[07:11] <geneo91> i mean kiss
[07:11] <billytwowilly> ian: because redhat has always supported gnome. They wanted an alternative to kde, which, at the time was using QT, which wasn't gpl'd.
[07:11] <mass> madstop: I agree.. mac os x on the other hand is very good for user maintenance of machines, but not so good for mass installs
[07:12] <madstop> hell, before kubuntu, I couldn't stand kde.  Canonical is on the right track.
[07:12] <mass> there isn't a package file database or anything like that
[07:12] <ian> is kubuntu coming out of canonical or a community project?
[07:12] <pablo928> madstop: Yes, but I have to admit that Gnome had me scratching my head in the beginning (and still) but I've only been using it less than a month.
[07:12] <billytwowilly> community I believe.
[07:12] <ian> billytwowilly: I think so, too
[07:13] <hap0> My laptop spontaniously shut off after about 30 seconds into KDE.
[07:13] <hap0> Where do you report bugs?
[07:13] <Echylo> hmm, to install kubuntu, it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:13] <ian> madstop: I'd be happy to listen to other issues you've had with gnome configuration
[07:13] <crimsun> Echylo: yes
[07:13] <Echylo> 'key
[07:13] <geneo91> well i try to avoid gnome
[07:14] <ian> geneo91: is it hard to do? :)
[07:14] <Echylo> what is so wrong about it?
[07:14] <deFrysk> we have a #kubuntu for kde peaople
[07:14] <morgala> hey guys... how hungury is ubuntu for system resources...
[07:14] <ian> yeah I'm wondering why people who "try to avoid gnome" are in #ubuntu :)
[07:14] <deFrysk> so kde folks , go to #kubuntu
[07:15] <deFrysk> ian, agree
[07:15] <hap0> That's interesting, I thought there wasn't supposed to be a seperation of the community?
[07:15] <madstop> well, ian, heh heh-- believe me, I'm still talking too much out of ignorance-- so don't get me started!
[07:15] <geneo91> its old time stuff
[07:15] <hap0> If you have a kubuntu for KDE folks, then why don't you have a gubuntu for GNOME folks?
[07:15] <bob2> because Ubuntu itself uses GNOME
[07:15] <Echylo> cause gnome is the default?
[07:15] <deFrysk> hams, ubuntu is originaly for gnome folks
[07:16] <madstop> it's hard for me to be fair, because these systems are such mixes -- I'm never sure whether I have an issue with gnome per se,
[07:16] <deFrysk> hap0 I mean
[07:16] <ian> and "gubuntu" sounds silly :)
[07:16] <Echylo> lel
[07:16] <ian> (much like kubuntu)
[07:16] <madstop> or with metacity, or with nautilus, or with
[07:16] <akk> Surely gnome isn't the only reason to use ubuntu?
[07:16] <madstop> stuff that's just intrinsic to linux
[07:16] <deFrysk> ian, and kubuntu = SILLY
[07:16] <akk> If it is, tell me know and I'll go look for some other distro.
[07:16] <geneo91> i mean kde you want to move a file its a matter of right click and wala its done
[07:16] <bob2> akk: of course not
[07:16] <hap0> OK so because it was "first". But I've read fairly extensively that Ubuntu is THE project, and GNOME and KDE are just options.
[07:16] <bob2> hap0: where?
[07:17] <ian> madstop: metacity and nautilus are gnome.  I'll filter, don't worry!  seriously, message me with your thoughts :)
[07:17] <madstop> but really, kubuntu, from what I've seen, would have made for a much better new user experience with ubuntu than gnome
[07:17] <downsideup> hello all
[07:17] <deFrysk> madstop, would it ?
[07:17] <bob2> madstop: e.g.?
[07:17] <hap0> In the discussion following the press release
[07:17] <Echylo> I used kde before gnome, but I love to use gnome now
[07:17] <downsideup> I'm new to irc and have a question
[07:17] <Echylo> shoot downsideup
[07:17] <ian> Echylo: how technical would you say you are?
[07:17] <Echylo> not
[07:18] <[FiDO] > does anyone know why the latest python packages aren't available on synaptic
[07:18] <deFrysk> most kde users eventually revert to gnome
[07:18] <geneo91> yes i agree
[07:18] <Echylo> I'm a normal user
[07:18] <deFrysk> revert = convert
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: what's your profession, if you don't mind me asking?
[07:18] <Echylo> student ;)
[07:18] <madstop> deFrysk, I should specify -- "new user" meaning, new (or returning after failed attempts) at linux, not just new to ubuntu
[07:18] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:18] <[FiDO] > I'm trying to install the latest version of gdesklet and the dependencies I need aren't there
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: major? :)
[07:18] <bob2> [FiDO] : e.g.?
[07:18] <Echylo> yes I'm 17
[07:18] <madstop> or even "new to computers"
[07:18] <Echylo> I don't use my computer for networks etc
[07:18] <deFrysk> madstop, gnome is very easy to use and install
[07:18] <Echylo> so I'm not that advanced :)
[07:18] <geneo91> hell most windows users dont even know what they are
[07:18] <akk> I know lots of kde users, some very technical, who haven't reverted.
[07:18] <bob2> [FiDO] : where did you get that gdesklets .deb from?
[07:18] <ian> Echylo: right on.  welcome!
[07:19] <ian> Echylo: how long on linux?
[07:19] <[FiDO] > I'm compiling it from source
[07:19] <Echylo> well pretty long story
[07:19] <[FiDO] > since the ubuntu package wasn't working correctly
[07:19] <Echylo> so let's say in total 6 months
[07:19] <bob2> [FiDO] : did you file a bug so it can be fixed?
[07:19] <geneo91> 90% of windows users never read any docs
[07:19] <deFrysk> and kde people dont forget!!! /j #kubuntu
[07:19] <madstop> it's easy to install, deFrysk, with ubuntu, ubuntu's installer is amazing.  It's easy to use.  It's not easy to personalize.
[07:19] <Echylo> and a couple of weeks on ubuntu
[07:19] <Echylo> I think
[07:19] <Echylo> time goes by
[07:19] <geneo91> thats last resort
[07:19] <ian> Echylo: how do you like ubuntu?
[07:19] <deFrysk> madstop, its dead eazy to persnalize
[07:19] <[FiDO] > I'm not sure if it is a bug or a problem with my sensor packages
[07:19] <madstop> anything you say deFrysk.
[07:20] <downsideup> why do I have no sound in Ubuntu? What should i look for?
[07:20] <Echylo> I used mandrake before it, and red hat, and ubuntu is the best experience until now
[07:20] <[FiDO] > for whatever reason it wasn't displaying correctly
[07:20] <ian> madstop: no need for attitude.. :)
[07:20] <bob2> anyway, gnome vs kde is off-topic
[07:20] <[FiDO] > barely any of the desklets would work
[07:20] <bob2> [FiDO] : then please tell someone so it can be fixed
[07:20] <[FiDO] > will do
[07:20] <bored2k> Amaranth: pm-ing you
[07:21] <hap0> My question is not KDE related anyway, and another thing, I wasn't under the impression this channel was supposed to be window manager specific.
[07:21] <madstop> ian, it's almost 2:30 in the morning, I'd be happy to talk at you more about this if you're on another time, and I do thank you for your patience with a newbie's issues
[07:21] <Echylo> ian, why are you questionning(is this even a word) me ?
[07:21] <geneo91> but its not user freindly
[07:21] <hap0> What are we going to do for folks who want to run fluxbox or windowmaker?
[07:21] <bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here
[07:21] <[FiDO] > what do you do in a case where packages you want aren't available ... if you compile from source the package manager won't be able to update them but if the packages are need they are needed
[07:21] <Echylo> #ubuntu.whatsleft
[07:21] <Echylo> ;)
[07:21] <bob2> hap0: but need to be aware that it's not supported software, for whatever that means
[07:21] <hap0> Just not KDE folks?
[07:21] <ian> Echylo: just curious who is coming to linux/gnome and why.  hope I'm not making you paranoid ;)
[07:21] <geneo91> nope
[07:22] <bob2> hap0: they're welcome in here, too
[07:22] <[FiDO] > is there somewhere you can request the packages be added to the repositories
[07:22] <bob2> but this is primarily an ubuntu channel
[07:22] <bob2> [FiDO] : wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:22] <Echylo> ian, no no :) I was using XP first, but I was getting bored with it, so I tried linux again, and so It will stay I guess
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I don't really want to install from source unless I absolutely have to
[07:22] <[FiDO] > I'll check that out thanks
[07:22] <farruinn> hap0: the issue isn't using kde, flux, etc, this channel simply isn't the place to argue which is "the best"
[07:23] <Echylo> but I don't follow the crowd like, "haate m$"
[07:23] <hap0> Thanks. Cuz the way I start is with Ubuntu. I don't think of the window manager. I think of the OS.
[07:23] <geneo91> Echylo:  all the things wrong with xp and your bored
[07:23] <geneo91> hehe
[07:23] <ian> geneo91: yeah it seems pretty entertaining every time I use someone else's XP computer :)
[07:23] <landon> hi guys
[07:23] <deFrysk> Echylo, I do dislike m$ without following krauts
[07:23] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:23] <landon> how do I go about getting dri on my nvidia card?
[07:23] <Echylo> :D
[07:24] <ian> geneo91: it's all "CRITICAL UPDATES!!!!!!" and shaking web ads
[07:24] <geneo91> Echylo:  i haven't used windows for 6 years
[07:24] <hap0> farruinn: Thanks, then I can count on feeling welcom to stay and ask questions about why my laptop seems to shutdown spontaniously.
[07:24] <Echylo> :-)
[07:24] <madstop> (bob2 -- why is gnome/kde off topic?  those are the two packaged defaults now.  Making "kubuntu" cd images was the second smartest things ubuntu developers did! ;-)  g'night everyone
[07:24] <zenrox> landon,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:24] <Echylo> I sometimes use it on school
[07:24] <bob2> lord
[07:24] <Echylo> then it's like
[07:24] <landon> k
[07:24] <Echylo> I miss some things :p
[07:24] <geneo91> patch upon patch is all it is
[07:25] <ian> I don't think madstop understands that kubuntu is not official
[07:25] <Echylo> but I love to learn new things(except school then :&) and linux is the place to do that no?
[07:25] <geneo91> i dont miss the viruses and trogemns
[07:25] <Echylo> well that's one big reason
[07:26] <Echylo> the viruses
[07:26] <Echylo> and spyware & stuff
[07:26] <hap0> I'm glad to read that kubuntu is not official.
[07:26] <ian> Echylo: absolutely.  and to get a nice high paying job in a few years :)
[07:26] <Echylo> :)
[07:26] <bob2> ian: how is it not official?
[07:26] <Echylo> ian: :)
[07:26] <bob2> KDE stuff is in the supported section now
[07:26] <geneo91> hell 30 bucks a years for protection
[07:27] <ian> bob2: I think it's a community project, no?
[07:27] <farruinn> it's in main though
[07:27] <bob2> it's getting security support, archive space, etc
[07:28] <geneo91> depends how things go i think
[07:28] <wdh> ian, isnt ubuntu a  community project as well? :P
[07:28] <hap0> Archive search turns up nothing about laptops shutting off...
[07:28] <farruinn> wdh: with the support of one filthy rich man ;)
[07:28] <ian> are paid Canonical employees working on it?
[07:28] <wdh> farruinn, thats a detail :P
[07:29] <geneo91> farruinn:  you get paid
[07:29] <wdh> ian, thats irrelevant..
[07:29] <hap0> I propose new naming conventions for iso's should state ubuntu-gnome/kde respectively.
[07:29] <wdh> ian, as long as they are part of the community :)
[07:30] <bob2> hap0: why do you care so much?
[07:30] <ian> wdh: not if you define "official" as "from the company that created and funds ubuntu", then it's quite relevant :)
[07:30] <geneo91> money talks bs walks
[07:30] <wingsline> hello everyone...
[07:31] <wdh> well.. afaik, everything in 'main' is supported.. and kubuntu is just there :)
[07:31] <ian> what do you mean 'supported' ?
[07:31] <ian> like free tech support?
[07:31] <hap0> Well I just found it kind of sad to be invited to go elsewhere because of my choice of that one WM. None of the other WM's are singled to use a seperate channel.
[07:31] <bob2> ian: it gets security fixes, bug fixes, etc, like gnome does in ubuntu
[07:31] <wdh> well.. 18 months of securityupdates after first release at least..
[07:32] <geneo91> so it is then
[07:32] <wdh> ian: just as much support as you would get for gnome :)
[07:33] <ian> "This is a volunteer driven effort..."
[07:33] <wdh> ok.. so lets get to work :)
[07:33] <copilot> any good how-to's for setting up an ftp server on ubuntu?
[07:33] <wdh> copilot, its really quite simple..
[07:33] <geneo91> the only reason i here is to see M$ crushed like they did so many small companys
[07:33] <adscadsa> ok
[07:33] <wdh> proftpd does the job.. you could install that..
[07:33] <adscadsa> I need some support
[07:33] <adscadsa> I cant get x working
[07:34] <hap0> I'm "working" to submit a bug right now.
[07:34] <adscadsa> cause I have a 6600GT
[07:34] <geneo91> BeOS for one
[07:34] <wingsline> copilot, install proftpd, and you can manage it simple with webmin
[07:34] <wdh> copilot, but you might wanna consider a safer alternative like SFTP or SCP
[07:34] <farruinn> hap0: is the bug specific to fluxbox?
[07:34] <oggah> hello, is there anybody who can help me. I've typed the ./configure for the dclib-0.3.7.tar.bz2. It is now unpacked in the opt/ folder.
[07:34] <bob2> adscadsa: does hoary work?
[07:34] <farruinn> hap0: you're getting random reboots?
[07:34] <copilot> I was steered toward vsftpd, but haven't been able to log in from anywhere else.
[07:34] <adscadsa> nah im running warty
[07:34] <wdh> wingsline, webmin sucks.. proftpd is really quite easy to configure in its config file..
[07:34] <ian> geneo91: BeOS was great!
[07:35] <copilot> I can log in using user:pass@localhost
[07:35] <adscadsa> I dont know what to do
[07:35] <wdh> so why use a frontend that is bound to change sooner or later?
[07:35] <hap0> farruinn: Yes I'm getting random reboots, even before the WM loads sometimes.
[07:35] <bob2> adscadsa: try hoary
[07:35] <adscadsa> Im tring to get the new package
[07:35] <oggah> is there any guide to install dclib on Ubuntu? Please help me.
[07:35] <wingsline> adscadsa, yeah I know, but for a beginner it is easier and faster
[07:35] <adscadsa> mm now I have to redownload it
[07:35] <bob2> oggah: it's best to just ask your question and wait, instead of begging people
[07:35] <farruinn> hap0: that doesn't sound like a fluxbox problem then... (maybe I'm missing the point)
[07:36] <copilot> I don't need a gui, i'm familiar with text based config files
[07:36] <bob2> oggah: you'd want to explain what dclib is, and then paste the whole error from ./configure to #flood
[07:36] <hap0> farruinn: Actually I think it just shuts off, and I initiate the reboot by hand.
[07:36] <adscadsa> IM just looking for a  apt-get fix
[07:36] <bob2> adscadsa: I doubt there is one
[07:37] <geneo91> ian:  i still have R503 on this box
[07:37] <adscadsa> is there anyway to upgrade from warty to hoary
[07:37] <bob2> adscadsa: sure
[07:37] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:37] <jsgotangco> change your sources
[07:37] <adscadsa> kk
[07:37] <ian> geneo91: been following the open beos stuff?
[07:37] <farruinn> hap0: in that case your /var/log/syslog will be helpful I think
[07:37] <geneo91> and dano
[07:37] <hap0> farruinn: ??? The point is that spontaneously powering off is a "bad thing".
[07:37] <jsgotangco> you can change your repositories from synaptic
[07:37] <adscadsa> I dont have x
[07:37] <bob2> hap0: does it happen with ubuntu?
[07:37] <adscadsa> so can I just edit the file
[07:37] <jsgotangco> then just edit your /etc/sources.list
[07:37] <hap0> I'd love to check my syslog if the laptop would stay running long enough.
[07:38] <jsgotangco> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:38] <zenrox> adscadsa, like this tho sudo pico /etc/sources.list
[07:38] <hap0> bob2: Yes.
[07:38] <adscadsa> yeah will ti install the new drivers
[07:38] <geneo91> ian:  do you know about haiku (open BeOS)
[07:38] <zenrox> jsgotangco, sudo apt-get update first then dist-upgrade\
[07:38] <Roey> hi
[07:38] <bob2> hap0: do the fans run?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i forgot the update
[07:38] <Roey> according to this, grub won't install to raid1 partition:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
[07:38] <ian> geneo91: yes-- that's what I was asking you about.  didn't know the new name
[07:39] <Roey> I have /, /boot and /home just like in this post http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-15605.html
[07:39] <bob2> Roey: *software* raid, important difference
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I use sw raid.
[07:39] <Echylo> hmm how to choose a directory in proftpdconf ?
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  and to be honest, grub is giving me the biggest freaking headache
[07:39] <hap0> bob2: The fans run just fine before the power shuts off.
[07:39] <Echylo> or how to add one
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I tried an initrd
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  I tried compiling kernel with builin raid and xfs
[07:39] <geneo91> haiku news .org
[07:39] <Roey> bob2:  nothing works, it keeps giving me errors.
[07:39] <aljosa> i can't compile slmodem driver (slamr) on 2.6.10 (kubuntu), any ideas?
[07:40] <bob2> Roey: yes, I don't know if that's supported or not
[07:40] <bob2> if it is, I suspect it will involve magic
[07:40] <ian> hap0: does it power off, sleep, hibernate?
[07:40] <Mestapheles> exit
[07:41] <hap0> ian: The power shuts down instantly, completely, abnormal end.
[07:41] <hams> in ubuntu, what is the equivalent of chkconfig ?
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  unfortunately for me the Zen of Debian/Grub Voodoo is not high on my priorities ;)
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  thanks though
[07:41] <bob2> hams: update-rc.d or so
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  I will switch to lilo and be done with this.
[07:41] <bob2> Roey: you could just install lilo
[07:41] <Roey> that's what I'll do
[07:41] <hap0> hams: Try apt-get install chkconfig :)
[07:41] <Roey> bob2:  I had wanted to try my hand at grub :(
[07:42] <Roey> bob2:  do I have to do anything special to get rid of grub, or can I just install lilo over it?
[07:42] <Roey> bob2:  (to the mbr I mean)
[07:42] <bob2> just install it
[07:43] <geneo91> all i did
[07:43] <Roey> bob2:  can make-kpkg work with lilo instead of grub?
[07:43] <bob2> Roey: sure
[07:43] <Roey> bob2:  so if I have lilo installed, dpkg -i will automatically detect it and install the kernel accordingly? nice, nice
[07:44] <wingsline> does anyone know a good clipboard manager for gnome?
[07:44] <aljosa> anybody with softmodem here and using kubuntu hoary?
[07:44] <adscadsa> for dammit
[07:45] <adscadsa> when does it every tell you have to update apt-get after chnaging sources
[07:45] <adscadsa> *ever
[07:46] <bob2> Roey: it's not dpkg, but the kernel-image scripts
[07:46] <bob2> you might need to rerun lilo after installing new images, I forget
[07:47] <adscadsa> mm one more question how do I reinstall the windows to the MBR
[07:47] <geneo91> na he dont it uses the newest kernel
[07:47] <adscadsa> thanks bob2
[07:47] <adscadsa> for your previous answers
[07:48] <Echylo> it's world water day!!!!!
[07:48] <geneo91> you dont need windows
[07:48] <adscadsa> oh I get it now
[07:48] <geneo91> just ubuntu
[07:48] <adscadsa> with that image
[07:48] <adscadsa> I play games so no
[07:48] <adscadsa> I do need windows
[07:49] <CoNnEcTeD> anyone else ever experience this....in my browser if i type in www.etcetc.com as oppose to without it... in mozilla it loads quicker...without the www. it takes forever and a day to load the page in tryin to view??
[07:49] <geneo91> na you dont
[07:49] <adscadsa> get break into MS and steal the directx source and make a distro with it incorporated in it
[07:50] <Echylo> how to reconfigure a package?
[07:50] <adscadsa> and I will love you
[07:50] <bob2> Echylo: there's no general way
[07:50] <Echylo> hmm
[07:50] <Echylo> I thought there was command
[07:50] <bob2> Echylo: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah" might do what you want
[07:50] <Echylo> yes ;)
[07:50] <Echylo> that one
[07:50] <Echylo> thank you
[07:50] <geneo91> to mant things wrong with directx
[07:52] <Echylo> hmm I installed proftpd and webmin but I can't retrieve proftpd in webmin :|
[07:52] <adscadsa> hey whats a easy way of finding what kernel you are using
[07:52] <hams> what package do i install for compiler tools again?
[07:52] <Echylo> adscadsa uname -a
[07:52] <adscadsa> kk thanks
[07:52] <Echylo> "uname -a" in a terminal :p :)
[07:52] <geneo91> uname -r
[07:53] <Echylo> a!
[07:53] <Echylo> ok
[07:53] <Echylo> -r just gives the kernel
[07:53] <Echylo> -a gives it all :p
[07:54] <Echylo> now, why doesn't webmin recognizes my proftpd server??
[07:54] <geneo91> he wanted the kernel
[07:54] <bob2> hams: build-essential
[07:54] <Echylo> yeh
[07:55] <geneo91> you jusr wanted him to see all the neat stuff
[07:56] <geneo91> s/jusr/just
[07:56] <pablo928> uname -a in terminal gives me command not found.
[07:57] <geneo91> your not in linux then
[07:57] <pablo928> Hoary]
[07:57] <pablo928> that's linux right?
[07:58] <geneo91> yes it should work if you rebooted when you updated things
[07:58] <pablo928> No, sorry, this box is still on warty.
[07:59] <pablo928> geneo91:I haven't updated this one yet
[07:59] <geneo91> try sudo uname -r
[08:00] <pablo928> that's what i did.
[08:00] <pablo928> think I need to reboot?
[08:00] <geneo91> oh well you dont need the sudo
[08:01] <geneo91> i have warty here
[08:01] <geneo91> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[08:01] <saber> heh.. i thought ubuntu did not have a root user... it turns out that it does
[08:01] <pablo928> I'll try after I reboot.
[08:02] <saber> sudo passwd <- lets you change the root passwd, and then you can login
[08:02] <bob2> er, of course
[08:02] <bob2> it just has no password
[08:02] <saber> i thought it was completely taken out
[08:03] <geneo91> yes dont be messing around in root or you'll be starting all over
[08:03] <bob2> you can't just take it out
[08:03] <[FiDO] > I'm having a package naming problem ... ubuntu names the packages differently then the source package I'm trying to compile so it doesn't recognize the dependencies is there some way to fix this
[08:03] <bob2> [FiDO] : no, source code does not care about package names
[08:04] <saber> i've been using linux for a while, i think i'll be ok geneo :)
[08:04] <geneo91> saber:  dont sound that way to me
[08:05] <saber> bob: i thought ubuntu built some kind of abstraction layer
[08:05] <[FiDO] > ubuntu calls it python-gtk where the source I'm trying to compile calls it pygtk
[08:05] <[FiDO] > so there is no way I can install it using the ubuntu python packages??
[08:06] <bob2> eh?
[08:06] <bob2> the python module is called pygtk
[08:06] <geneo91> [FiDO] : it is pygtk
[08:07] <[FiDO] > when I try to compile it says something about a PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:07] <geneo91> i have ptchat app here running with it
[08:07] <[FiDO] > it is looking for pygtk but with ubuntu its named python-gtk
[08:08] <bob2> then the program is broken
[08:08] <geneo91> maybe you dont have pygtk installed
[08:08] <SadHatter> Okay.  But, well, how do I login as root so I have administrative priveleges so I can install some drivers?
[08:09] <geneo91> SadHatter:  sudo
[08:09] <Akira> open a root terminal, or use sudo
[08:09] <[FiDO] > pygtk doesn't show up with aptget
[08:09] <DarthFrog> SadHatter: sudo -s
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : blah
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : it's in the python-gtk package
[08:09] <bob2> [FiDO] : the module is called pygtk
[08:09] <SadHatter> When I installed Ubuntu, it never asked me for a root password. Is there a default one?
[08:09] <[FiDO] > ahh I understand lol
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: no
[08:10] <DarthFrog> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: please read the FAQ
[08:10] <geneo91> yup
[08:10] <SadHatter> Ok. sorry. I'll go read it.
[08:10] <[FiDO] > so something must be wrong with the gdesklet source I downloaded
[08:10] <bob2> SadHatter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:10] <geneo91> SadHatter:  you can create one sudo passwd root
[08:12] <geneo91> [FiDO] :  can you export path then try
[08:13] <wingsline> bye everyone, have a nice evening..:)
[08:13] <geneo91> or edit makefile
[08:14] <SadHatter> The installation instructions for the NVidia driver tell me I need to shutdown X. How do I boot ubuntu to just the console then, no X? Is that what I'm supposed to do?
[08:14] <dead|shell> whats the best way to get system info from the livecd im using a 64 bit system
[08:14] <dead|shell> SadHatter, try cntrl alt f1
[08:15] <Akira> Sadhatter: try ctrl alt F1
[08:15] <Akira> beat me to it
[08:15] <dead|shell> just to get a shell out of x
[08:15] <_4strO> and then kill x and gdm
[08:15] <MHaggag> Hi all, a quickie question: How can I change the gnome GUI language from arabic to english?
[08:15] <geneo91> SadHatter:  ctl alt backspace
[08:15] <Tomcat23> Ah, So if what I'm reading from the link Darthfrog just posted, the Root user isn't gone from Ubuntu, it's just that it's recommended that one use sudo for everything...
[08:15] <bob2> SadHatter: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:16] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Right.
[08:16] <_4strO> MHaggag> on the logon screen
[08:16] <bob2> ignore broken howtos that tell you to shut down
[08:16] <geneo91> MHaggag:  there should be aphlet in gnome pannel that will let you switch
[08:17] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: If you're an experienced Linux user, there's no real reason not to enable the root account.
[08:17] <MHaggag> _4strO: It's there? I know I sound retarded, but I really couldn't make any of the text out! I want to change this because it displayed arabic incorrectly (each character written separately, while arabic characters in general are joint together)
[08:17] <geneo91> or you can add one
[08:17] <MHaggag> Well, I currently want to switch to english to be able to read stuff...currently I can nearly read nothing
[08:17] <bob2> DarthFrog: and no reason to do so, either
[08:18] <Tomcat23> DarthFrog: very much not an experienced user, so I've just been lurking in here reading. About an hour before the ubuntu install torrent comes down.
[08:18] <_4strO> MHaggag> ctrl alt backspace and choose english
[08:18] <DarthFrog> bob2: Yes there is.  As I said, an experienced Linux user.  Which means I can work in Ubuntu as I'm most used to.
[08:18] <MHaggag> Ok, thanks - I'll try that out :)
[08:18] <_4strO> ;)
[08:18] <geneo91> MHaggag:  we can tell by your nick
[08:19] <MHaggag> Tell what? :)
[08:19] <Taleel> MHaggag: CTRL ALT Backspace kills the current instance of your X server, so close all applications before you do that :)
[08:19] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: You'll like Ubuntu, it's very good.  And there's good reasoning behind the sudo issue.
[08:19] <geneo91> you cant read
[08:19] <bob2> ok then!
[08:19] <geneo91> Taleel:  i never do
[08:20] <MHaggag> lol!
[08:20] <MHaggag> I can read *very* well - but first give me readable text! Giving me a string of separate glyphs just doesn't cut it (especially in the case of languages like arabic) :)
[08:20] <geneo91> DarthFrog:  so windows pll cant screw it up
[08:20] <DarthFrog> geneo91: I suppose that's one way of looking at it.  Not a very charitable point of view, though. :-)
[08:21] <geneo91> MHaggag:  j/k its been a long day
[08:21] <MHaggag> I noticed :D
[08:21] <MHaggag> However, I really have to say thanks for the help. Good luck :)
[08:21] <darkgamer20> do i need to download the hoary cd when it comes out to upgrade or can i just do it with apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:22] <Taleel> darkgamer20: you should be able to just change /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. yes.
[08:22] <geneo91> MHaggag:  did you find the aphlet thing
[08:22] <Taleel> that's the beauty of the Debian package management that's lying underneath Ubuntu
[08:22] <bob2> darkgamer20: you can upgrade
[08:23] <MHaggag> I'm on windows right now, and I'm doing a couple of things, after which I'll reboot and look for it :)
[08:24] <pinPoint> hello fellow jungle explorers!
[08:24] <Tomcat23> Does anyone have a good link that explains what teh common linux directories are? Like what goes into /etc, /bin /sbin, etc....?
[08:24] <pinPoint> :P
[08:24] <darkgamer20> Taleel: so if i have the 4.10 warty cds don't i need the 5.4 hoary (when it comes out) cds to upgrade i just edit sources.lst for start updating for 5.4 and then do apt-get update/dist-update?
[08:24] <darkgamer20> *dist-upgrade
[08:24] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: http://tille.xalasys.com/training/tldp/
[08:25] <Taleel> darkgamer20: be prepare to download a *lot* of packages, though. I did a test upgrade and it pulled about 700 MB of packages from the server :)
[08:25] <darkgamer20> i just need comfirmation
[08:25] <darkgamer20> really why?
[08:25] <Taleel> because on that test system I had a lot of stuff installed
[08:25] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  you need tree
[08:25] <Taleel> it's basically a clone of my work machine
[08:25] <darkgamer20> oh ok
[08:26] <geneo91> that will show you all
[08:26] <darkgamer20> Taleel: you are now on 5.04?
[08:26] <Taleel> darkgamer20: just on the test installation (running in VMware)
[08:26] <darkgamer20> Taleel: if you are how is it?
[08:26] <Taleel> For my production systems both at work and at home I'm waiting for the Hoary release
[08:27] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks man i really appreciate the help
[08:27] <darkgamer20> :)
[08:27] <Taleel> darkgamer20: I didn't test it very much yet. It looked very nice, though.
[08:27] <darkgamer20> one more thing
[08:27] <darkgamer20> should i install warty or wait for hoary?
[08:27] <brad[] > Not that I'm ignoring the wiki or anything, but are there any repositories with prebuilt java/flash?
[08:28] <Tomcat23> DarthFrog, the force be wit'cha. Thx for the link.
[08:28] <DarthFrog> Tomcat23: Welcome to the Light Side of The Force, young padawan. :-)
[08:29] <bob2> brad[] : wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:29] <Taleel> darkgamer20: depends how urgent you need an Ubuntu system. Hoary is supposed to be released on April 6th
[08:30] <darkgamer20> ok so it will be the same if i edit apt and update it right?
[08:30] <geneo91> Taleel:  i thought that was RC1
[08:30] <Taleel> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[08:30] <spacey> updating is probably more work then install preview now
[08:30] <darkgamer20> geneo91: think that had been released already
[08:31] <Akira> the april 6th release, is that the one they are shipping out?
[08:31] <darkgamer20> also what do you guys think about ubuntu for server use?
[08:31] <geneo91> darkgamer20:  march 30 is cut off date and just bug fixes after
[08:32] <darkgamer20> cut off for what?
[08:32] <Taleel> darkgamer20: doing an install from a hoary CD, either preview or final, will probably be less work
[08:32] <geneo91> adding stuff
[08:32] <geneo91> or making changes
[08:33] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thanks for if i asked you too many questions about the same thing, i just wanted to comfirm , and i am a lttle slow today for some reason.
[08:33] <geneo91> Taleel:  its 340 mb without openoffice and emacs from warty
[08:33] <Taleel> darkgamer20: no prob, you're welcome :)
[08:34] <darkgamer20> i like the ubuntu community
[08:34] <Taleel> geneo91: as I said, my test upgrade was from a clone of my work machine. That includes OpenOffice and a lot of other stuff
[08:34] <Akira> but open office owns
[08:34] <Akira> becoming better than ms office
[08:34] <Akira> well not becoming anymore
[08:34] <Akira> it it
[08:34] <Akira> is
[08:35] <Taleel> darkgamer20: well, "Ubuntu" means "humanity to others" :-)
[08:35] <geneo91> M$ crap is to much the same ole crap
[08:35] <darkgamer20> Taleel: thank you very very very much
[08:35] <darkgamer20> see you everybody
[08:36] <syn-ack> Not to dissapoint anyone, but I still like Office better than OOo
[08:36] <geneo91> Taleel:  the warty i had shiped to me wasn't final
[08:36] <Taleel> geneo91: I see
[08:37] <Taleel> geneo91: I jumped on the bandwagon about one month after the warty release and downloaded the ISO image via bittorrent
[08:37] <geneo91> 132 mb to update that
[08:37] <Taleel> geneo91: that could have been just the usual slew of bug fixes and security patches
[08:38] <geneo91> well i had it long before it was shiped also
[08:38] <Taleel> I think I did as much updates after I installed from the CD, but I'm not sure
[08:38] <Akira> syn-ack: Why?
[08:38] <omniscient> hey guys whats that thing you type to send a programs stderr to stdout?
[08:38] <omniscient> $< something
[08:38] <omniscient> &< even
[08:38] <Taleel> omniscient: /usr/bin/something 2>&1
[08:38] <omniscient> ah ty
[08:38] <geneo91> i have a newer cd i made myself thats final
[08:39] <omniscient> i hate printers.
[08:39] <omniscient> when somethings wrong i never know if its the software or the printer :|
[08:39] <Taleel> omniscient: oh yes. printing - one of the last unsolved mysteries of the universe :-(
[08:40] <omniscient> one day maybe you just push the print button and BAM you got a paper with printed stuff
[08:40] <geneo91> paper and pencil work just fine
[08:40] <omniscient> none of this "errrrr eeeeeeeek de dooooooooooo" *more random printer noises* then nothing
[08:40] <omniscient> no more noise, no printed document
[08:40] <omniscient> nothing
[08:40] <geneo91> smart paper no printer
[08:41] <omniscient> these days hand writing your resume isnt very professional :(
[08:42] <geneo91> no but aleast they know you can write
[08:42] <NormD> hrrm...I guess that's part of the joy of postscript...I've not had a problem with an old HP lj5m...cheap, cheap toner, good reliable duty...
[08:42] <Akira> im using a 10 year old printer
[08:42] <geneo91> hehe
[08:42] <Akira> does the job
[08:43] <Tomcat23> Anyone know where ubuntu stands with JACK? http://jackit.sourceforge.net/ On the CD? I don't see it listed in the dpkg list of the ubuntu faq. Is it available through synaptic?
[08:43] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  yes its there
[08:44] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  you have all the repositories enabled
[08:44] <Taleel> Tomcat23: it's in "universe", thus available, but relatively unsupported
[08:44] <hap0> Well I've submitted a bug report, posted to the forums and the mailing list. I've done my part for the evening. Time to get some sleep.
[08:44] <Tomcat23> Ok, cool. I want to get terminatorX up... damn silly app has made me install linux in the first place (and having a lot of old hardware lying round.)
[08:44] <Tomcat23> It's one of the programs that uses JACk
[08:45] <Taleel> Tomcat23: terminatorX is also in universe
[08:45] <geneo91> tahorg:  dont that use aspecial kernel
[08:45] <Tomcat23> Thx, Taleel.
[08:45] <hap0> Goodnight then. /quit
[08:46] <Ubunovice> I've been trying to install the nvidia display drivers but without success. I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111 , but even the first step doesn't work for me. If I run the command it tells me that the package is either missing or obselete. If I use synaptic, I can't find anything that has linux-source. I'm totally perplexed.
[08:46] <geneo91> Taleel:  mandrake uses multimedia kernel for jack
[08:47] <Taleel> geneo91: I have never used jack nor terminatorX, so I don't know if you need a special kernel
[08:47] <Akira> what is jack?
[08:47] <Tomcat23> I do have another question (disclaimer: newbie here) I see that synaptic is a front-end for dpkg... is there a difference between dpkg and apt-get? Can you freely use both?
[08:47] <geneo91> kernel org has the patches for it
[08:48] <geneo91> synaptic is frontend for apt
[08:48] <Tomcat23> Hmmn, geneo91, maybe I'll need to install mandrake on the box that I set up for that one then... but I think ubuntu is going to work for me in general.
[08:49] <Akira> Tomcat23: dpkg allows to install .deb files, while apt-get pulls from repositories
[08:49] <Akira> then installs
[08:49] <geneo91> Tomcat23:  well i shy away from mandrake unless your a club member
[08:49] <Taleel> Tomcat23: dpkg is the core of the package system. apt-get is the mechanism that pulls the packages from a server or CD. synaptic, dselect, aptitude etc. are the frontends that make selecting and deselecting packages easier
[08:49] <Tomcat23> Ah, ok... synaptic = apt, got it.
[08:51] <membreya> ello Echylo :)
[08:51] <HostingGeek> sad news everyone Amaranth's menu editor wont make it unless someone fixes PyXDG on time
[08:51] <Echylo> hey
[08:51] <Tomcat23> Ok, I think I understand... You can point synaptic at a .deb file you've downloaded then?
[08:51] <geneo91> Taleel:  jack is a multimedia thing that uses low level hardware
[08:51] <Echylo> I'm on school
[08:51] <Echylo> windows : &
[08:51] <Amaranth> HostingGeek: ffs, stop
[08:51] <Echylo> :p
[08:51] <Initri> Hi.. anyone have a few minutes to help with some Ubuntu newbie questions ?:P
[08:51] <Echylo> yes
[08:51] <Echylo> I do
[08:51] <Echylo> Initri, shoot your questions :p
[08:51] <Echylo> (as long as it are newbie questions, I can help)
[08:52] <Initri> I fscked my Woody box on Debian.. (apt-get update/upgrade to Sarge.. ouch) -- so, I'm considering Ubuntu as I'm building a new box..
[08:52] <Echylo> uhu
[08:52] <Initri> ..should I go that route vs. a stock Debian install ? - and if so, which version is the latest stable (Horay or Warty) ?
[08:52] <Taleel> Tomcat23: let me check. usually you just do sudo dpkg -i foobar.deb
[08:52] <Echylo> hoary is pretty stable
[08:52] <Initri> [I wasn't paying attention!]
[08:52] <Echylo> hoary is the last release
[08:52] <Initri> It's going to be a server.
[08:52] <jdub> Amaranth: is HostingGeek being a problem (i have him/her on /ignore)
[08:52] <Echylo> hmm
[08:52] <Initri> (private)
[08:52] <Echylo> I don't have experience with servers, but I think hoary will do just fine
[08:52] <Initri> (Apache/PHP/Mysql/Postfix)
[08:53] <Echylo> as it has the latest security fixes & updates of programs
[08:53] <Amaranth> jdub: Just blabbing something I told him in every Ubuntu related channel he can find.
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: hoary is still pre-release, but it's pretty robust.
[08:53] <Initri> Now it's completely Debian based, right ? - so all of my apt-get stuff will work the same ?
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: i'm running it on my home server and my linode vm.
[08:53] <Taleel> Initri: for a server, Debian might be the better choice, since a lot of server-related stuff in Ubuntu is in "universe", thus relatively unsupported
[08:53] <Echylo> Initri, ye
[08:53] <jdub> Initri: ubuntu has separate repositories (don't mix packages), but yes, it's much the same as debian.
[08:53] <Initri> Taleel:  Such as ?
[08:54] <packetgod> So should I install the preview release or wait for the final version?
[08:54] <jdub> Taleel: not really, most of the important stuff is in main
[08:54] <jsgotangco> just wait for the final its just a few days away anyway
[08:54] <membreya> Echylo: did you see http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ ???
[08:54] <Echylo> no, what's wrong?
[08:54] <paulproteus> Initri: For me, I'd stick with Debian Sarge.
[08:54] <paulproteus> Initri: Of course, I have a server on Debian Sarge right now.
[08:54] <membreya> visit it :)
[08:54] <Initri> Let me define server:  I run PHP, Apache, MySQL, Samba, Postfix, and a small handful of other things at home - it's my development box (Programmer).
[08:54] <Echylo> ooh :)
[08:54] <Echylo> I wasn't using it anyway
[08:54] <jsgotangco> hello membreya :D
[08:55] <membreya> hey jsgotangco :)
[08:55] <Initri> However, I would also like the ability since I'm using updated equipment to have a GUI environment available as well.
[08:55] <Echylo> lel, that's a reason to hate microsof
[08:55] <Echylo> stupid patent wars
[08:55] <Taleel> Initri + jdub: I have all my servers running on Debian sarge, so maybe I'm biased :)
[08:55] <membreya> Echylo: the EU started it!
[08:55] <Initri> Patents are good..
[08:55] <Initri> ..software patents SUCK.
[08:55] <jsgotangco> copyrights are good patents suck
[08:55] <omniscient> damn printers not supported :(
[08:56] <paulproteus> Feel free to set up an Ubuntu-based server.  I think it's a fairly reasonable idea,
[08:56] <Taleel> Initri: in that case just use the distro you're most familiar with. those services are all supported just fine on Ubuntu
[08:56] <Initri> *Ponders*
[08:56] <paulproteus> Make *sure* to keep dist-upgrading to Hoary until it's released, and applying security updates.
[08:56] <paulproteus> Initri: The nice thing about Ubuntu is releases.
[08:56] <jsgotangco> theres a perception that Ubuntu is generally a desktop distro
[08:56] <jsgotangco> but its not
[08:56] <paulproteus> They happen, basically. :)
[08:56] <Tomcat23> Taleel: Thx, I am sure I would have seen that command in the docs and figured it out. Just trying to understand what I'm getting into with synaptic. (Have gotten gentoo up, but 'emerge' just don't cut it for me..)
[08:56] <Initri> Debian = slooooow.
[08:56] <paulproteus> Initri: Eh?
[08:56] <geneo91> omniscient:  what printer you have
[08:56] <membreya> wtf ...THIRD day in a row and no hoary updates >:(
[08:57] <Initri> Paul: (on updates)
[08:57] <omniscient> canon i965
[08:57] <jsgotangco> huh?
[08:57] <jsgotangco> membreya: just updated hours ago
[08:57] <paulproteus> Initri: Oh, right.  Indeed.
[08:57] <membreya> no updates for me :|
[08:57] <Initri> I've got a mess of stuff to do.. got a WRTG54GS to play with too :P
[08:57] <jsgotangco> just updated yesterday as well
[08:57] <membreya> Initri: did you just hit random keys? :|
[08:57] <paulproteus> Initri: My recommendation:
[08:57] <paulproteus> Install Hoary.
[08:57] <paulproteus> dist-upgrade regularly until the release hits.
[08:58] <Initri> [All] :  So, Ubunto would be OK for me to use as a server, is a different Debian flavor, and I might learn something new and have some fun and should work for me just fine ?
[08:58] <paulproteus> Then you'll only have security updates to worry about.
[08:58] <paulproteus> Initri: OK as server?  Yes.  Diff. Debian flavor?  Yes.  Learn something new?  Probably.  Have fun and work fine?  Likely.
[08:58] <geneo91> omniscient:  is that old
[08:58] <Initri> Paul:  What's wrong with apt-get update/upgrade ? - I've never really used dist-upgrade.
[08:58] <packetgod> Can you do a non x-windows install of Ubunto?  If so then you bet for servers, if no then skip it
[08:58] <Echylo> initri
[08:58] <Echylo> you beter should :p
[08:59] <Initri> Packet:  I'm interested in having X installed as well -- I'll just start & stop it manually.
[08:59] <membreya> packetgod: yes you can
[08:59] <Echylo> in ubuntu ofcourse :)
[08:59] <omniscient> geneo91, newish.. mid last year it was baught and it was fairly new thing i think
[08:59] <omniscient> i don't know
[08:59] <membreya> just type server
[08:59] <membreya> when the install comes up
[08:59] <omniscient> it's a friends printer im just borrowing
[08:59] <paulproteus> Initri: dist-upgrade brings in fresh dependencies, too.
[08:59] <packetgod> Well then no worries, cause it is still debian underneath and it is one of the most stable server platforms out there
[08:59] <geneo91> packetgod:  yes you can
[08:59] <Initri> Hey - thanks guys, I *really* appreciate the tips :) -- very friendly community, not always the case when hitting IRC for info :))  I might just have to come hang out in here sometime :P
[09:00] <Ubunovice> I try to install soemthing through synaptic, but it tells me it is dependant on dpatch, which is non-installable. What am I doing wrong?
[09:00] <Echylo> like I do ^^
[09:00] <paulproteus> Initri: Great, see you soon. :)
[09:00] <Echylo> this is a great channel
[09:00] <Tomcat23> Yeah, y'all've been great with helping folks
[09:00] <membreya> Initri: sorry, the "regulars" spots are all full, you'll need to sign up and wait for a spot to open
[09:00] <Initri> [All] :  Thanks for the help!  Take care guys.  I'm gonna give Hoary a try.
[09:00] <paulproteus> Ubunovice: What are you trying to install?
[09:00] <Echylo> :)
[09:00] <membreya> :P
[09:00] <Ubunovice> nvidia-kernel-source
[09:00] <Echylo> you can have membreya's spot
[09:01] <Initri> Cool :P
[09:01] <Initri> :)
[09:01] <Echylo> we don't need him anyway :p
[09:01] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:01] <Initri> I was just going to say.. :P
[09:01] <membreya> hmpf!
[09:01] <Initri> <-- loggin.
[09:01] <Initri> Thanks again :)
[09:01] <Initri> Bye.
[09:01] <Echylo> :)
[09:01] <Echylo> bye
[09:01] <membreya> Echylo: is an active idler..says lots but doesn't end up saying a thing
[09:01] <packetgod> This is one serious active IRC chanel... impressive
[09:01] <membreya> :P
[09:01] <jsgotangco>  it is pretty active aye
[09:02] <jsgotangco> omniscient: are you coming for Ubuntu Down Under?
[09:02] <membreya> omniscient: it's sydney..of course it's "hot" gear :)
[09:02] <omniscient> if you live in sydney (au) its down by central station, sells books like half the price you get in a bookstore
[09:02] <geneo91> packetgod:  wonder over to #kubuntu also
[09:02] <omniscient> jsgotangco, whats that :)
[09:02] <Ubunovice> paulproteus: I'm trying to install nvidia-kernel-source
[09:02] <jsgotangco> eh?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> heheh
[09:02] <packetgod> Yeah, I'm a gnome fan personally :)
[09:02] <membreya> jsgotangco: isn't ubuntu down under being held in nz?
[09:02] <jsgotangco> i'll take that as a yes
[09:03] <jsgotangco> no its in Sydney
[09:03] <membreya> oooooooooooooh :)
[09:03] <jdub> membreya: that's linux.conf.au 2006
[09:03] <Echylo> membreya, what did you said ? :p
[09:03] <membreya> oh ok :)
[09:03] <jsgotangco> i'll be going there
[09:03] <Echylo> I say alot :p
[09:03] <omniscient> hrm, where in sydney?
[09:03] <omniscient> linkage?
[09:03] <membreya> yup Echylo :D
[09:03] <jsgotangco> rushcutters
[09:03] <Echylo> hmm
[09:03] <jdub> omniscient: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/UbuntuDownUnder
[09:03] <membreya> if it's not too soon, I might have to fly up to laugh at the nerds :)
[09:03] <Echylo> yea actually, many of sentences don't make sense
[09:03] <jdub> omniscient: a hotel in rushcutters bay
[09:03] <paulproteus> Ubunovice: Not sure, bout to go to sleep I'm afraid.
[09:03] <paulproteus> Good night, all.
[09:03] <Echylo> like that one
[09:03] <Echylo> and this one
[09:04] <jsgotangco> well just drop by
[09:04] <jsgotangco> its open to the public anyway
[09:04] <jdub> omniscient: i'm speaking at slug on april 1st too
[09:04] <jsgotangco> a day or two wont hurt if youre in the area
[09:04] <jsgotangco> you can get to rant to the developers hehe
[09:05] <omniscient> my old teacher goes to slug
[09:05] <Amaranth> jdub: If a new version of PyXDG came out in the next few days that fixed a sortof bad bug would it stand a chance of getting into hoary?
[09:05] <membreya> omniscient: you don't go to swapmeets?
[09:05] <jdub> omniscient: geoffrey robertson?
[09:05] <omniscient> yeah ;)
[09:05] <jsgotangco> small world
[09:05] <omniscient> i did his intro course and started his php/cisco ones but then got accepted for a diploma
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[09:05] <geneo91> you have young teacher also
[09:06] <jdub> Amaranth: possibly - if you take a stab at upgrading the package and verify that it works, we could update
[09:06] <omniscient> membreya, no i dont
[09:06] <packetgod> php/cisco?  Sounds like fun
[09:06] <membreya> omniscient: .....hmmmm :| odd
[09:06] <omniscient> i want to go to those kind of things but i dont know what they are half the time
[09:06] <jdub> omniscient: at granville or north sydney?
[09:06] <omniscient> and none of my mates are into this stuff
[09:06] <membreya> going to a swapmeet in 2 weeks time to pick me up a 200gb SATA
[09:06] <omniscient> jdub granville
[09:07] <Amaranth> jdub: I'd definately be upgrading the package and verifying, my menu editor would depend on the fix I'm hoping someone figures out. :)
[09:07] <jdub> omniscient: whenabouts? i might've given a guest lecture while you were there ;)
[09:07] <jdub> L
[09:07] <omniscient> ah i did his intro last year, last semester
[09:07] <omniscient> no guest speakers
[09:07] <Amaranth> jdub: only one app in hoary even seems to depend on it
[09:07] <jdub> hrm, not my mutt window
[09:08] <omniscient> if you've spoken this year i missed it, cos i left
[09:08] <omniscient> he was getting someone to come and speak about something for his php class
[09:08] <omniscient> was that you?
[09:08] <flames> hi, i start the ubuntu 5.04 live cd, but mouse does not work, i changed my xorg.conf, how can i apply the changes?
[09:08] <jdub> nah, wasn't this year
[09:08] <Echylo> ctrl alt backspace ?
[09:08] <Echylo> flames?
[09:08] <Echylo> don't shoot me if it doesn't work
[09:08] <will> flames
[09:09] <omniscient> jdub, geoff gave me the ubuntu cd i use to install this
[09:09] <flames> ok, ctrl alt backspace, i get a command line
[09:09] <omniscient> hes a ubuntu cd spammer i tell you
[09:09] <flames> and now?
[09:09] <omniscient> ihave like 3 or 4 of them
[09:09] <Echylo> startx
[09:09] <geneo91> Echylo:  have tried it with live cd
[09:09] <Echylo> ?
[09:10] <Echylo> what geneo91?
[09:10] <jdub> omniscient: uh huh ;)
[09:10] <jdub> omniscient: i'm his dealer ;)
[09:10] <omniscient> haha
[09:10] <omniscient> he has a cupboard full!
[09:10] <geneo91> ctrl alt backspace
[09:10] <will> flames: at the command line, try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:11] <will> then do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:11] <Echylo> or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:11] <Echylo> ;)
[09:11] <will> exactly!
[09:11] <Echylo> :p
[09:12] <Echylo> wb
[09:12] <flames> thx, i try these tips
[09:12] <will> lovely gnome display manager
[09:13] <membreya> hmm, just went into synaptic and it said my package information was out of date... i reloaded it but most things were 0bytes :|
[09:13] <Ubunovice> What is dpatch and how do I install the package? It's a dependency for some nvidia thing but synaptic can't find it.
[09:14] <geneo91> Ubunovice:  you have all the repositories enabled
[09:14] <Taleel> dpatch is in the main Ubuntu repository
[09:15] <packetgod> night all
[09:15] <Ubunovice> geneo91: Do you mean I have them all enabled and that's bad or I should have them all enabled?
[09:15] <Taleel> Ubunovice: you said that your update didn't work. do you use a proxy server? maybe you have to clear the proxy server's cache so the synaptic update gets complete files?
[09:16] <Ubunovice> I don't use a proxy.
[09:16] <Taleel> any error messages?
[09:16] <Ubunovice> I'm just trying to follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21111
[09:16] <ells> anyone familiar with using acidrip. Trying to get the settings right
[09:16] <Echylo> Ubunovice, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:17] <geneo91> yea they should be enabled
[09:17] <Ruby> Hello :)
[09:19] <Ubunovice> Echylo: Thanks. Thier guide seems more logical.
[09:19] <Ruby> Can any one help me with ubuntu hoary installation? at the end of the second stage, it says "setting up X-server" or "starting X-server" or something like that, and freezes... what shuld i do?
[09:20] <Echylo> hehe :)
[09:20] <Echylo> ruby try to boot with another kernel
[09:20] <Echylo> don't know which one
[09:20] <Ubunovice> Now I get stuck on 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings'. Says it's unavailable but referred to by another. It adds that it may be missing or obselete.
[09:20] <Echylo> but I think it was kernel related
[09:20] <HappyPills> hmm... any idea how to batch rename files? I wish to add a '0' to a bunch of images...
[09:20] <Echylo> Ubunovice, have you did sudo apt-get update
[09:20] <Ruby> your talking to an absolute noob :( i dont have a clue how to do that
[09:20] <jnoon> is there a known issue with some routers not working well with the 2.6 kernel?  my dlink gives me the router ip as the dns, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine
[09:20] <membreya> HappyPills: mrename
[09:21] <Ubunovice> Echylo: I have.
[09:21] <HappyPills> thanks
[09:21] <HappyPills> I love apt-get sometimes
[09:21] <jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, how about have u modify the sources file?
[09:21] <membreya> HappyPills: make sure you man it :)
[09:22] <HappyPills> pfft, I never read instructions!
[09:22] <Echylo> Ubunovice, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:22] <Echylo> remove the #
[09:22] <Ubunovice> jiyuu0|work: What exactly does that mean?
[09:22] <HappyPills> I'll just copy the files elsewhere first =)
[09:22] <pinPoint> any idea why audio is out of sync in videos and dvs
[09:22] <Echylo> before universe etc
[09:22] <pinPoint> dvds*
[09:22] <Echylo> wait a sec
[09:22] <jiyuu0|work> Ubunovice, Echylo just reply to it
[09:22] <jsgotangco> pinPoint: Hoary?
[09:22] <membreya> HappyPills: caveat emptor
[09:22] <Ubunovice> okay. it's in gedit.
[09:22] <Echylo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:22] <Ubunovice> Now what?
[09:22] <HappyPills> everybody says that to me
[09:22] <Ubunovice> ok
[09:23] <membreya> lol HappyPills :P
[09:23] <pinPoint> jsgotangco: ya
[09:23] <Ruby> Echylo, how am i suposed to do that? what kernel? im confused :( i have only used mandrake for a month... newbie here :(
[09:23] <Echylo> well if you reboot
[09:24] <Echylo> you normally get alot of choises ?
[09:24] <Ruby> 4 ubuntu choises and one windows
[09:24] <Echylo> hmm
[09:24] <Echylo> which ?
[09:24] <Echylo> msg them me
[09:24] <Echylo> or post them in #flood
[09:24] <Ruby> like 2 default and 2 regular
[09:24] <geneo91> yes
[09:24] <membreya> Ruby: boot the top one
[09:25] <Echylo> he probably does membreya
[09:25] <membreya> :)
[09:25] <Echylo> cause that's the default one
[09:25] <Ruby> i have... at the end the screen goes black...
[09:25] <Ubunovice> Wonderful! It installed nvidia-settings. Thank you.
[09:25] <Echylo> great!
[09:26] <GNAM> on the air the flavour of ubutu final
[09:26] <GNAM> ubuntu :P
[09:26] <geneo91> you are
[09:26] <Echylo> have you tried to update hoary Ruby?
[09:26] <Ruby> also tried running recovery mode and executing /usr/X11R6/bin/X ... same resoult... the screen goes black/...
[09:26] <jsgotangco> pinPoint: mine does that too, but Im not sure why i cant say if its the codecs either
[09:26] <Ruby> what do you mean?
[09:26] <Echylo> ruby how did you installed hoary?
[09:26] <geneo91> wrong window
[09:26] <Echylo> with the iso cd?
[09:26] <Ruby> yeah
[09:26] <Echylo> well
[09:26] <Echylo> go to a command line
[09:27] <Echylo> and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <Echylo> or sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:27] <jnoon> my router gives me the router ip as the dns server, but it doesnt work.  if i manully enter the dns servers everything is fine.  is there any known bug about this?
[09:27] <membreya> what's that damn package that does net streaming for radio ?
[09:27] <membreya> box
[09:27] <membreya> something
[09:27] <Ruby> it will work without setting the  sources list?
[09:27] <Echylo> rhythmbox?
[09:28] <membreya> aaah :D
[09:28] <Echylo> the sources list should be set to hoary
[09:28] <theDragon> Hello
[09:28] <theDragon> I am having a bit of a problem:
[09:28] <Echylo> membreya, that was non sense sentence so don't read it :p
[09:28] <membreya> :P
[09:28] <Ruby> ok... going to try...
[09:28] <Ruby> thanks
[09:28] <theDragon> I can not boot back into windows, and I am not sure what to change in my grub menu to make it work
[09:28] <Echylo> np
[09:28] <theDragon> I have like a million combos, none work
[09:28] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, have u tried hoary preview?
[09:29] <Echylo> jiyuu0|work I have hoary :)
[09:29] <Echylo> not the cd
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> how's it?
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> many changes?
[09:29] <Echylo> but I upgraded from wwarty
[09:29] <Echylo> yes
[09:29] <Echylo> no
[09:29] <Echylo> but
[09:29] <theDragon> ...
[09:29] <pinPoint> 'There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type audio/mpeg'
[09:29] <pinPoint> what is that?
[09:29] <Echylo> you have the latest updates, and it's pretty stable so :)
[09:29] <nvashi2> hey upgrading from warty to hoary or try :)
[09:29] <Echylo> thedragon, you'll need to add an entry for windows
[09:29] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, it still can't mix wif debian repo right?
[09:29] <theDragon> yes
[09:29] <theDragon> I have many
[09:29] <theDragon> because I cannot figure why it won't boot
[09:29] <Echylo> no I don't think so
[09:30] <theDragon> the default one gives me the 0x7 error
[09:30] <flames> mouse work fine, hooray! :-) thx for help
[09:30] <flames> bye
[09:30] <Echylo> ;)
[09:30] <Echylo> cya
[09:30] <geneo91> oh boy maybe windows aint there no more
[09:30] <Echylo> euhm the dragon
[09:30] <Echylo> I don't know what is the entry you putted into your menu.lst
[09:30] <theDragon> lemme show you the main one
[09:30] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, heard can't edit the menu item... issit true?
[09:30] <Echylo> yes
[09:31] <Echylo> thedragon msg it to me , or post it on www.pastebin.com
[09:31] <nvashi2> whoa 973 files to be upgraded
[09:31] <theDragon> title   Windows Nt/2000/XP          root (hd0,0)      savedefault    makeactive     chainloader +!
[09:31] <Echylo> or #flood
[09:31] <membreya> damn rhythmbox and its small list of radio servers and yes I know I can edit the file ..but it's a matter of getting a list of stations
[09:31] <theDragon> that's a +1
[09:31] <Echylo> damn
[09:31] <Echylo> yes nvashi2 :P
[09:31] <[FiDO] > has anyone here used gdesklets
[09:31] <Echylo> I did
[09:31] <jsgotangco> whats that a hoary upgrade? hehehe
[09:31] <theDragon> and it says unrecognized filesystem
[09:31] <Echylo> hmm
[09:32] <jiyuu0|work> Echylo, so how do u add a item into the menu?
[09:32] <Echylo> you don't ;)
[09:32] <Echylo> U just have to wait until they release a program for that
[09:32] <jiyuu0|work> why can't gnome make the menu like kde
[09:32] <Echylo> I'm not a gnome/kde expert
[09:32] <Echylo> ;)
[09:32] <theDragon> and all my other combos in the menu.lst file just make grub hang
[09:33] <nvashi2> I guess I could have just used the cd to install it from scratch
[09:33] <nvashi2> but this seemed more fun
[09:33] <Echylo> theDragon check this http://ubuntuguide.org/#addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[09:33] <geneo91> Echylo:  there is a temp fix posted on wiki
[09:33] <Echylo> for the menu?
[09:34] <geneo91> yes
[09:34] <membreya> why oh why would you want to add windows :(
[09:34] <Echylo> oh ok
[09:34] <membreya> windows makes baby jesus cry
[09:34] <Echylo> membreya, baby jesus cries anyway
[09:35] <membreya> :P there you go again Echylo with that "chat" :P
[09:35] <Echylo> so if they need windows, help them ;)
[09:35] <Echylo> hey I'm helping people no?
[09:35] <membreya> :P
[09:35] <membreya> i know, but I like to razz ya :P
[09:35] <nvashi2> why not let windows be on a seperate machine
[09:35] <Echylo> yea I know
[09:35] <Echylo> :p
[09:35] <theDragon> well linux makes baby newbs like me cry
[09:35] <geneo91> membreya:  i think he wrote over his windows when he installed
[09:35] <Echylo> theDragon, have you checked the site?
[09:36] <theDragon> ya, its rebooting now
[09:36] <jiyuu0|work> if only ubuntu got a resize partition tool during install
[09:36] <theDragon> lemme see what it does
[09:36] <Echylo> that would be great geneo91 :P
[09:36] <membreya> theDragon: it's a fun learning curve..my head hasn't worked this much in years with computers :)
[09:36] <theDragon> says "Filesystem type unknown, partition typ 0x7"
[09:36] <theDragon> again
[09:36] <theDragon> arg
[09:36] <Echylo> then be happy
[09:36] <Echylo> you lost your windows
[09:36] <geneo91> if its not listed in grub after install you have no more windows
[09:37] <theDragon> hah
[09:37] <Echylo> and don't blame ubuntu, it worked fine here
[09:37] <Echylo> :p
[09:37] <theDragon> yea, I know
[09:37] <theDragon> it works fine for everyone else _except_ me, as usual
[09:37] <theDragon> :S
[09:37] <Echylo> can you acces your windows partition?
[09:37] <theDragon> if I make it rootnoverify I don't get that error
[09:37] <membreya> world's against you huh theDragon ?
[09:37] <theDragon> but now it hangs
[09:37] <Echylo> membreya ....
[09:38] <theDragon> yea, it sees it
[09:38] <Echylo> you are really supportive today
[09:38] <membreya> :D
[09:38] <theDragon> but I cannot boot it
[09:38] <membreya> Echylo: working 9 am starts and living on 4 hours sleep a night
[09:38] <Echylo> well It will always sees it
[09:38] <geneo91> theDragon:  do a df -h
[09:38] <Echylo> that's the title
[09:38] <Echylo> membreya you say that all the time
[09:38] <Echylo> :P
[09:38] <membreya> theDragon: can you mount the windows partition in ubuntu ?
[09:38] <Echylo> wb Ruby
[09:38] <nvashi2> 5% done
[09:38] <theDragon> yea I could try
[09:38] <Echylo> lel
[09:38] <Echylo> nvashi2 how much time left?
[09:38] <theDragon> hold on, loading up my menu.lst again
[09:38] <DemisM> what is the text init level for ubuntu?
[09:39] <bob2> DemisM: make one
[09:39] <bob2> (ie this isn't redhat, run leveles 2-5 are identical by default)
[09:39] <DemisM> oh ok
[09:39] <Echylo> bob2, can you make your own init levels?
[09:39] <theDragon> damnit again
[09:39] <bob2> Echylo: sure
[09:39] <membreya> what's wrong theDragon ?
[09:39] <bob2> Echylo: well, you can edit the existing ones
[09:39] <theDragon> I made a change and it just hangs, again... hmmm
[09:39] <Echylo> thedragon, try to mount the windows partition!
[09:39] <theDragon> I am puzzled
[09:39] <theDragon> ok ok
[09:39] <DemisM> how can I make one or config so that gdm doesn't automatically start up
[09:40] <Echylo> bob2, you can't "add" one?
[09:40] <ells> anyone know much about acidrip
[09:40] <bob2> Echylo: not without patching init
[09:40] <theDragon> loading into linux, 1 min
[09:40] <bob2> Echylo: do you need more than 4?
[09:40] <Echylo> ok :)
[09:40] <Echylo> no :p
[09:40] <Echylo> but just wondering
[09:40] <nvashi2> just hit 400
[09:40] <bob2> DemisM: rm /etc/rc2.d/S*gdm
[09:40] <DemisM> why would I delete it, can I just chg its name?
[09:41] <nvashi2> kewl 502
[09:41] <bob2> DemisM: sure
[09:41] <bob2> there's no reason not to delete it, tho
[09:41] <bob2> it's just a symlink
[09:42] <nvashi2> guess I will do my nvidia card next
[09:42] <theDragon> ok
[09:42] <theDragon> I am looking at all my windows stuff now
[09:42] <theDragon> its all there
[09:43] <Echylo> hmm
[09:43] <nvashi2> theDragon: nice
[09:43] <theDragon> yes, now if only it would _boot_
[09:43] <Echylo> have you chosen the right partition to boot?
[09:43] <Ubunovice> How do I edit xorg.conf? It's read only, because X is running.
[09:43] <Echylo> Ubunovice
[09:43] <Echylo> don't know sure but
[09:43] <HrdwrBoB> Ubunovice: it's read only because you don't have permissions
[09:43] <theDragon> yes
[09:43] <theDragon> hda1
[09:43] <Echylo> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:43] <theDragon> which is on hd0,0
[09:43] <Echylo> hmm
[09:44] <Echylo> tried hd0,1 ?
[09:44] <Ubunovice> Oh I see. I'll sudo -s then.
[09:44] <ells> does anyone know about burning dvds in linux
[09:44] <theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
[09:44] <Echylo> yup ;)
[09:44] <DemisM> bob2, k thank you :)
[09:44] <pinPoint> how come xmms or xine wont play mp3 streams nor mp3 files?
[09:44] <pinPoint> how come?
[09:44] <Echylo> change your preferences
[09:44] <Echylo> change the soundserver to esound
[09:44] <Echylo> oh
[09:45] <pinPoint> it plays cds
[09:45] <Echylo> oh
[09:45] <Echylo> hmm
[09:45] <geneo91> Echylo:  if it xp it use dos for boot
[09:45] <pinPoint> but not mp3
[09:45] <pinPoint> it is esound
[09:45] <Echylo> geneo91, nothing wrong with trying
[09:45] <bob2> pinPoint: it should work fine
[09:45] <pinPoint> well it plays mp3 but no sound ever comes out
[09:45] <santiago> hi, does anyone knows why one can't search about the text of the links in evolution 1.0 whitout using ctrl+f ?
[09:45] <membreya> pinPoint: tried launching it from the terminal ?
[09:45] <nvashi2> he might want to get xmms-mad
[09:45] <Echylo> or xmms-lame ?
[09:45] <Echylo> or what is lame good for? :p
[09:46] <geneo91> well it would be hd0,1
[09:46] <Echylo> well he is trying that now
[09:46] <jnoon> can anyone tell me what ubuntu uses to set resolve.conf?
[09:46] <santiago> in the warty version it was possible to do that
[09:46] <ells> pinPoint, I had the same issue before. I believe you will need the gstreamer codecs
[09:46] <santiago> s/it/
[09:47] <ells> does anyone in here know about burning dvds in linux
[09:47] <theDragon> no... I will, need to edit, sec
[09:47] <Echylo> nope, I don't
[09:47] <theDragon> ok, now it says Error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format
[09:47] <Echylo> hmm
[09:47] <membreya> ells: what's wrong ?
[09:47] <geneo91> i dunno i took xp off here after two weeks
[09:47] <jnoon> Does ubuntu use dhcpcd?
[09:47] <membreya> hmmmm :|
[09:47] <ells> membrey, well I can rip a dvd to an avi but the audio is not right
[09:47] <santiago> ells, try graveman
[09:48] <Ubunovice> Can I make it so double clicking the app icon is equivalent to clicking the x, like in win?
[09:48] <Echylo> yes
[09:48] <xamdm> jnoon, it uses dhclient
[09:48] <Echylo> mouse setttings I think Ubunovice
[09:48] <geneo91> theDragon:  xp has a dos partition in front of it to boot
[09:49] <Ubunovice> mouse settings doesn't have that... doesn't have much actually
[09:49] <Ruby_> back... any one has an idia what more can i do? black screen on X start in a new installation
[09:49] <Echylo> hmm
[09:49] <Echylo> you updated?
[09:49] <Ubunovice> Updated how?
[09:49] <xamdm> Ruby_, which cind off Grafikscard ??
[09:49] <Burgundavia> jnoon: no, uses dhclient
[09:50] <Burgundavia> ells: what are trying to use to burn?
[09:50] <Echylo> xamdm, you are german?
[09:50] <xamdm> Echylo, yes
[09:50] <ells> santiago: for ripping dvds?