[12:00] <b2s> dockane: sounds old enough that I wouldn't expect much problem, but I know for some things like aacraid drivers you need to install in expert mode to apt-get the drivers
[12:00] <thenuke> what again was the tool to install keymaps?
[12:01] <thenuke> want to get rid of UTF8
[12:01] <nickrud> dockane, did you ever get printing as you wanted it?
[12:01] <XplOzIon> when i mount a hdd it stays mounted after a system rebot?
[12:01] <jnk> XplOzIon, no, unless it's in /etc/fstab
[12:02] <XplOzIon> oh
[12:02] <dockane> nickrud, yes did it with the crowbar
[12:02] <nickrud> heh
[12:02] <thenuke> dpkg keymap something I guess :P
[12:02] <XplOzIon> jkn, time to read man fstab
[12:02] <MyKq3> okay ppl  i m off to bad
[12:02] <MyKq3> nighty night
[12:02] <matt_> ok what shud i use for a p2p
[12:02] <XplOzIon> night
[12:02] <dockane> nickrud, 2x 60 MB printjobs through lpt1 X)
[12:02] <djm62> what are the appropriate kernel headers in terms of uname?
[12:03] <jnk> XplOzIon, yeah :)
[12:03] <nickrud> dockane, that was the image size?
[12:03] <dockane> nickrud, no the image size what something above 100 mb
[12:03] <drspin> matt_: BitTorrent or GTK-Gnutella (IMHO)
[12:03] <dockane> b2s, thnx for the info. do you have any experience with intellistations from that generation ?
[12:04] <nickrud> dockane, no wonder you wanted something good
[12:05] <erik_> evening
[12:05] <XplOzIon> its really recomended to use firestarter?
[12:06] <dockane> nickrud, haven't tried to work with my nikon coolscan IV under linux yet (which will produce a lot of more data)
[12:06] <drspin> XplOzIon: as a general rule it's a good idea to have a firewall...
[12:07] <nickrud> dockane, you need 2x p3 1g, yup
[12:07] <XplOzIon> how do u stop the system default firewall service? (if theres one)
[12:07] <drspin> XplOzIon: there isn't one --
[12:08] <XplOzIon> thanks
[12:08] <jnk> it's not that usefull with a normal install IMHO
[12:08] <XplOzIon> i ask because fedora has one and because i am a noob and i dont plan to return to windows no more!!
[12:09] <LinuxJones> XplOzIon, good for you ;)
[12:09] <delire> well time for some Kurosawa. night all.
[12:10] <LinuxJones> XplOzIon, it takes a few months to get used to Linux but you will love it trust me
[12:10] <erik_> anyone that can suggest a good program to copy a dvd and then shrink it?
[12:11] <matt_> when i click it nothing hapens makes a click sound and nout happens help
[12:11] <stevenj> strange thing with firestarter tray icon though...its not transparent on some gnome panels
[12:11] <stevenj> lighter panels
[12:11] <mishof> I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide.com for setting the sound under gnome, and now esound on xmms doesnt work (it worked before) - any ideas?
[12:11] <matt_> thats aftr installing limewire
[12:11] <[Spooky] > erik_ copy the dvd to the hdd with "Vobcopy" then use "DVDShrink" with wine...
[12:12] <erik_> tryed installing DVDShrink, but it wouldnt
[12:12] <[Spooky] > erik_ ok maybe a bad wine conf then ?
[12:13] <jnk> mishof, what's the guide url?
[12:13] <erik_> maby, not shure how to configure it
[12:13] <[Spooky] > erik_ or try to get hold of the "dvdshrink.exe" file instead and just run it...
[12:14] <erik_> need to mount win partition then
[12:14] <mishof> jnk, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[12:14] <[Spooky] > erik_ let me see if i can get it for you...
[12:14] <erik_> ok
[12:16] <flodine> why cant i install mplayer from the package manager
[12:16] <flodine> its therree
[12:16] <flodine> there
[12:16] <flodine> why
[12:16] <djm62> flodine: what processor are you on?
[12:17] <pixil9> apt-get install mplayer-custom ?
[12:17] <flodine> amd
[12:17] <b2s> flodine: 64 bit?
[12:17] <djm62> apt-get install mplayer-k6
[12:17] <flodine> no
[12:17] <flodine> 2600
[12:17] <djm62> d'oh...what b2s said
[12:17] <pixil9> wouldn't you use -586 or -686
[12:17] <pixil9> who the hell uses a k6 processor
[12:17] <b2s> flodine: oh, then should work fine
[12:17] <matt_> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[12:17] <matt_> java is the problem it wont install
[12:18] <flodine> what the pm
[12:18] <[Spooky] > erik_ im done shall i send it ?
[12:18] <pixil9> matt: just put the jre in /usr/java
[12:18] <pixil9> then go into lime sh runLime.sh
[12:18] <erik_> Sooky ok
[12:18] <jnk> mishof, well never done these things and sound works great... were you having some other problems before?
[12:18] <matt_> where i get jre
[12:19] <pixil9> matt: sec
[12:19] <matt_> ok
[12:19] <b2s> matt_: did you follow the directions on ubuntuguide?
[12:19] <matt_> yes
[12:19] <matt_> kept gettign error
[12:19] <pixil9> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=22&PartDetailId=j2re-1.4.2_08-oth-JPR&SiteId=JSC&TransactionId=noreg
[12:19] <pixil9> see if that works
[12:19] <erik_> Spooky it dont dl
[12:19] <pixil9> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
[12:19] <pixil9> just go there
[12:19] <pixil9> make sure you get the JRE
[12:20] <matt_> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[12:20] <pixil9> matt_, then goto Linux Platform.. self extracting file
[12:20] <flodine> a guys when i try to install mplayer it says......  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:20] <flodine> what does that mean
[12:20] <dazed> flodine - apt-get -f install
[12:21] <dazed> flodine: it means that you need other packages to install the one you want
[12:21] <matt_> then what
[12:21] <pixil9> you get the file?
[12:21] <matt_> yeah then what
[12:21] <pixil9> chmod u+x j2rewhatever
[12:21] <pixil9> ./j2rewhatever
[12:21] <[Spooky] > erik_ hm strange...
[12:21] <pixil9> it'll extract
[12:22] <erik_> yes
[12:22] <Atomsk> does anyone installed realplayer codecs for mplayer? is it just a matter of copying the libs in /usr/lib?
[12:22] <erik_> it might be cause of the way internet is set up
[12:22] <matt_> ok in english
[12:22] <matt_> please
[12:22] <matt_> whats whatever?
[12:23] <cavediver> Why is there dependency problems when installing mplayer with the marrilat repos ?
[12:23] <[Spooky] > erik_ its just 791 kb i can mail it to you if you want ?
[12:23] <tahorg> cavediver: because it's debian oriented ?
[12:23] <pixil9> matt: the filename
[12:23] <pixil9> matt: i don't feel like typing it ou
[12:23] <pixil9> t
[12:23] <cavediver> tahorg: ok.
[12:23] <matt_> with .bin or withoput
[12:23] <pixil9> with
[12:23] <erik_> Spooky when i try installing it, the setup windows come, but get access violation at adress 77EC25B8. Write of address 00730075
[12:24] <matt_> whats./jre2whatever?
[12:24] <cavediver> No mplayer for ubuntu that is ?
[12:24] <matt_> help
[12:24] <pixil9> matt: just chmod u+x <filename>
[12:24] <matt_> its on my desktop and the filename is
[12:24] <tahorg> evolution borked in breezy ?
[12:24] <flodine> why cant libc6 be installed
[12:24] <yahalom> cavediver: i installed mplayer through the fedora mplayer guide google it, works great
[12:24] <cavediver> My restart is borked in breezy :)
[12:24] <camcorder> coz fedora rocks
[12:25] <matt_> j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[12:25] <cavediver> lucka I have both hoary and breezy on my comp
[12:25] <flodine> man mplayer getting me sick
[12:25] <b2s> bah, mplayer is overrated.  everything works for me with totem-xine or avifile-player
[12:25] <pixil9> matt: goto console
[12:25] <cavediver> I need mencoder only..
[12:25] <matt_> yeah
[12:26] <b2s> ah, I've not done much with encoding stuff.
[12:26] <matt_> then
[12:26] <tbird> what do yu all use for backing up
[12:26] <tahorg> cavediver: http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/proj_info.html#mplayerubuntu
[12:26] <pixil9> cd Desktop
[12:26] <cavediver> I need to encode vob's to xvid
[12:26] <tbird> does that use cdrecord ?
[12:26] <matt_> yeah then
[12:26] <b2s> cavediver: aren't there any standalone programs that do that?
[12:26] <tahorg> cavediver: (I haven't tried it)
[12:26] <pixil9> chmod u+x j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin , ./j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[12:26] <pixil9> just do chmod first.
[12:26] <mmhg> anybody know how to release and renew a dhcp address?
[12:27] <cavediver> b2s: most uses mencoder and transcode
[12:27] <nickrud> pixil9, matt_ multiverse has java-package, it takes  the jre.bin and turns it into a deb
[12:27] <[Spooky] > cavediver maybe mencoder can do it for you
[12:27] <cavediver> mmhg: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:27] <matt_> chmod: cannot access `,': No such file or directory
[12:27] <matt_> help
[12:27] <tbird> java in ubuntu --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:28] <tahorg> mmhg: from man dhclient "The  -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits."
[12:28] <flodine> b2s i installed avi player but it opens then closes
[12:28] <matt_> nickrud:wher ei get that
[12:28] <flodine> when i try to play a movie
[12:28] <nickrud> matt_, used it debian
[12:28] <mmhg> tahorg:  tried that, it renewed to the same ip addr
[12:28] <matt_> huh
[12:29] <b2s> flodine: might need some extra codec for that one.  know what sort of movie it is?
[12:29] <tahorg> mmhg: change your mac addr :)
[12:29] <tahorg> (and ask for an other ip)
[12:29] <matt_> help
[12:29] <mmhg> tahorg:  that worked, but I had hoped for a less devious method
[12:29] <nickrud> matt_, tbird gave you a great link
[12:29] <b2s> flodine: if you do 'dpkg -l avifile\*' you'll see what plugins there are
[12:29] <pixil9> E: Package fakeroot has no installation candidate
[12:29] <pixil9> why would it say that?
[12:30] <jnk> if marillat's mplayer doesn't work, compiling your own package is *really* easy!
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: it depends on the server conf
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg: how so/
[12:30] <mmhg> ?
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: you can ask him to remember the mac-ip relation
[12:30] <b2s> flodine: alternately, you can search synaptic for avifile or for divx (in the description) to come up with lots of codecs and such
[12:30] <nickrud> pixil9, I've got it installed, from main
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg:  ahh...   didn't know that
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg:  thanks
[12:30] <flodine> thxs
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: IIRC there is an option like that in dhcpd
[12:31] <mmhg> tahorg:  didn't see dhcpcd running on my sys - is it a default ubuntu daemon?
[12:31] <kakalto> mmhg, I think so
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: 'what' gives you the lease ?
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: a router ?
[12:32] <mjr> mmhg, dhclient3 seems to be the default used
[12:32] <pixil9> How the heck does this java-package work
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: I was talking about the server side
[12:32] <[Spooky] > anyone here that have done a offline install of k3b ?
[12:33] <mmhg> tahorg, mjr, kakalto:  I'm using dhclient,  server side it's coming off a university server.  Don't know the exact configuration
[12:33] <tahorg> mmhg: dhcpd is the server, dhclient ... well, obvious ;)
[12:33] <nickrud> pixil9, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:33] <mmhg> tahorg:  I used to run gentoo which used dhcpcd - dhclient was new to me
[12:34] <tahorg> mmhg: pump is a good option too
[12:35] <mmhg> tahorg:  that's not a default ubuntu toy either - looks like I may have to do some downloading
[12:35] <[Spooky] > well im off to bed bbl
[12:36] <pixil9> nickrud: thx
[12:36] <flodine> b2s im missing and avifile-sample
[12:36] <nickrud> np
[12:37] <flodine> do you have that
[12:37] <b2s> all I've got (for avifile) is avifile-player
[12:37] <mdke> is it possible for me to mount 2 root directories (e.g. /media and /usr) on the same partition? how can I do it? thanks
[12:37] <b2s> its really my secondary for when totem-xine has some problem
[12:38] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody have any success with bluetooth?
[12:39] <pixil9> nickrud: thx that works good
[12:40] <nickrud> pixil9, and if you ever want to remove it, you can :)
[12:40] <pixil9> nickrud: ya
[12:40] <flodine> b2s i got it work but no sound
[12:40] <limer> I assume that there shouldn't be problems with read/write capability for ntfs.  ?
[12:41] <jnk> limer, you cannot write on ntfs
[12:41] <jnk> (or very limited, or with the windows dll)
[12:41] <limer> alright, but mount shows rw
[12:41] <b2s> flodine: that's happened to me before, again usually because I'm missing a codec (an audio codec)
[12:41] <flodine> ok
[12:41] <tbird> i thought that was the point of captive-ntfs
[12:42] <jnk> tbird, that one uses the windows driver doesn't it'
[12:42] <pixil9> anyone got limewire pro for linux?
[12:42] <limer> I don't want to write to it if ntfs isn't considered supported at that level
[12:42] <tbird> yeah the dlls
[12:42] <jnk> pixil9, I don't think it's free software
[12:42] <pixil9> jnk: oh.
[12:42] <pixil9> jnk: that's okay.
[12:43] <tbird> limewire pro always  ran slower than regular limewire for me
[12:43] <pixil9> tbird: does the regular have spyware and shit
[12:43] <tbird> pixil9, all p2p sucks like that
[12:43] <tbird> imo
[12:44] <darkaudit> pixil9: why not use giFT?
[12:44] <mmhg> jnk how did you get mldonkey to work?  I can't even select a network
[12:44] <tbird> apollon is nice
[12:44] <darkaudit> tbird: concur... using it now :)
[12:44] <jnk> mmhg, I added one or two servers, then it found a ton by itself
[12:44] <pixil9> what is giFT
[12:44] <cens0red> wine + winmx is a pretty good combintaion too.
[12:44] <tbird> i like how apollon uses the diff networks
[12:45] <jnk> mmhg, ah no the last time I imported a server.met file (emule server list). There's a command for that
[12:45] <cens0red> tbird diff networks?
[12:45] <Xenguy> cens0red: we don't really need winmx, do we? :p
[12:45] <mmhg> jnk how do I do that?
[12:45] <tbird> yeah
[12:45] <darkaudit> pixil9: open source p2p...
[12:45] <cens0red> Xenguy we don't?
[12:45] <pixil9> darkaudit, does it use limewires system?
[12:45] <Xenguy> cens0red: no, we don't :-)
[12:45] <cmonopoly72> Can anyone help me find how to make Windows the default partition?
[12:45] <darkaudit> pixil9: uses plugins for gnutella, openft, fasttrack, ares, and more
[12:46] <cens0red> Xenguy what other way is there to connect to the wnp2p protocol?
[12:46] <mmhg> jnk it wants a network (no choices in the dropdown) and an ip:port
[12:46] <jnk> mmhg, 2 sec
[12:46] <Xenguy> cens0red: *sigh* unless I misunderstand, you are suggesting we need wind0ze software to do P2P - if yes, ummm, no :-)
[12:47] <b2s> Xenguy: he's asking about a specific network/protocol
[12:47] <Xenguy> b2s: ahh
[12:47] <pixil9> pixil9@sarjeet:~$ giftui
[12:47] <pixil9> giftui : No host to connect /apps/giftui/daemon/host.
[12:47] <cens0red> Xenguy actually I was suggesting we need Frontcode software to use frontcode's wnpnp (spl?) protocol. The fact that Frontcode. The fact that Frontcode only makes a client for windows, is a side issue.
[12:47] <Xenguy> b2s: didn't read far enough up-buffer I guess
[12:48] <Xenguy> cens0red: OK, I stand corrected; I misinterpreted your comment
[12:48] <cens0red> Xenguy but that aside, giFt is fairly decent too.
[12:48] <darkaudit> pixil9: you need giftd, and will then need to run gift-setup
[12:49] <jnk> mmhg, if you connect to mldonkey through telnet, there's a "servers" command you can use, for example "servers /some/directory/server.met"
[12:49] <pixil9> darkaudit, okay thanks
[12:49] <darkaudit> pixil9: as said before, Apollon is a primo giFT client :)
[12:50] <darkaudit> hmm... mall time
[12:50] <mmhg> jnk thanks
[12:50] <cmonopoly72> (seeking help) How to make Windows the default partition?
[12:51] <jnk> cmonopoly72, you mean how to make windows boot by default?
[12:51] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:52] <jnk> cmonopoly72, do you have a boot menu where you can choose between windows and ubuntu?
[12:52] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:52] <jnk> so you want the windows option to be default
[12:52] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:53] <jnk> windows is the first?
[12:53] <jnk> in the menu
[12:53] <cmonopoly72> No, right now Ubuntu is default.
[12:53] <jnk> cmonopoly72, yes but in the order in the list, what is the position of windows, and the position of ubuntu=
[12:53] <jnk> ?
[12:53] <cmonopoly72> Last.
[12:53] <jago> hello
[12:54] <jnk> cmonopoly72, I need numbers :)
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Oh ok
[12:54] <hobocop> sup
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Ubuntu 5.0*
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Then
[12:54] <jago> hello can any one help me?
[12:54] <cens0red> it's all in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:55] <cmonopoly72> Ubuntu safe mode I think
[12:55] <jnk> jago, ask, don't ask to ask
[12:55] <dockane> what do i have to do to get more than 5 fps from tuxracer ?
[12:55] <cmonopoly72> Then WindowsXP under "other os"
[12:56] <jnk> cmonopoly72, Ok so I assume Windows is in the third position. Edit your file /boot/grub/menu.lst    and change "default 0" or something like that to "default 2"  .  (2 because grub counts from 0 so the third line is number 2)
[12:56] <jnk> cmonopoly72,  you can check at the end of menu.lst  whether windows is indeed the third block
[12:56] <PacoBCN> dockane, hardware aceleration?
[12:56] <cmonopoly72> Thanks a lot, greatly appreciated.
[12:57] <jago> i installed kubuntu on my machine and when it trys to load kdm it refuses and only lets me use the prompt.  i was forced to reload knoppix to use my machine
[12:57] <dockane> PacoBCN, any hint where to check that ? what is necessary ?
[12:57] <jnk> dockane, what's your graphic card?
[12:57] <PacoBCN> dockane, what video card do you have?
[12:58] <dockane> jnk, PacoBCN : asus v7700 deluxe / gpu : geforce 2 gts
[12:58] <PacoBCN> dockane, ok, geforce2 means you have an nVidia video card
[12:59] <PacoBCN> dockane, what you have to do then is pretty simple
[12:59] <dockane> PacoBCN, i followed ubuntuguide.org
[12:59] <PacoBCN> dockane, really?
[12:59] <nickrud> jago, ask on #kubuntu, the know kde better
[01:00] <nickrud> they
[01:00] <PacoBCN> dockane, then you should already have hw
[01:00] <jago> thank you
[01:00] <nickrud> np
[01:00] <Markrian> jago, I imagine XOrg isn't set up correctly
[01:00] <PacoBCN> dockane, what do you see if at command prompt you type "glxgears"?
[01:00] <dockane> PacoBCN, the tiny application from ndvidia is in the application list. not more, not less.
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, wow =)
[01:01] <PacoBCN> dockane, you see the gears?
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, 3 gears running rapidly
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, yes
[01:01] <PacoBCN> dockane, then you should be able to run games with HW acc.
[01:02] <CB201> hey...can someone help me figure out how to mount my CD-ROM drive?
[01:02] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, whats the name of the command to get the gears to show up
[01:02] <PacoBCN> I never ran tuxracer so I couldn't tell you what's the biz with it
[01:02] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, glxgears
[01:02] <dockane> PacoBCN, ah ok thnx
[01:02] <nickrud> dockane, in the terminal, whats the fps
[01:03] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, glxinfo gives you info about your graphic card settings
[01:03] <Tuxicity> CB201: mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom (something like that)
[01:03] <CB201> Tuxicity, I know that part
[01:03] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, yea, i was makings sure my damn ATI card had HW acceleration - 420 fps :)
[01:03] <qwe> howdy howdy, anybody here installed ubuntu on a beige g3 powermac?
[01:03] <PacoBCN> (dammit, it's all 'bout the pope in TV...)
[01:03] <nickrud> I don't have hardware accell, and I get 80
[01:04] <macdan> hi
[01:04] <abarbaccia> well, 420 is much nicer than 80
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, 420 fps?
[01:04] <abarbaccia> yep
[01:04] <CB201> Tuxicity, but when I try to mount it I get the following error: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, or other error"
[01:04] <macdan> i have Ubuntu installed and first impressions is that it seems very nice :)
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, that not much :S
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, it's nothing, actually
[01:04] <macdan> one question, but of a simple one, but i don't know
[01:04] <macdan> i want the PHP-MySQL module
[01:04] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, no? what should it be for an ATI 9800 xt
[01:04] <PacoBCN> I'm having around 2700 fps
[01:04] <abarbaccia> okay - maybei  dont have HW acceleration then...hurmm
[01:04] <macdan> i downloaded a .deb from Ubuntu site, how do I install it?
[01:05] <CB201> I have a suspicion that my /dev/hdd (my entire hard drive) it completely blocked, even to superuser
[01:05] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, oh, I don't know but I guess it has to be more anyway
[01:05] <qwe> macdan: dpkg -i pkgname
[01:05] <CB201> but I don't know how to change it
[01:05] <flodine> why does mplayer need these packs ......Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:05] <abarbaccia> stop the flood
[01:05] <chado> does anyone here use wmaker with ubuntu?
[01:05] <flodine> why dont the package man have them
[01:05] <qwe> well, his name is appropriate
[01:05] <chado> im having some problems getting it to run
[01:05] <nickrud> flodine, where are you getting mplayer from?
[01:05] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, you can check it with glxinfo
[01:06] <dockane> tux racer is unplayable :(
[01:06] <cens0red> I had that problem.
[01:06] <flodine> synaptic
[01:06] <flodine> is that wrong
[01:06] <cens0red> dockane what vid drivers?
[01:06] <flodine> well
[01:06] <CB201> flodine...install the lib files
[01:06] <CB201> you need them
[01:06] <nickrud> dockane do glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[01:07] <dockane> cens0red, i followed the advices from ubuntuguide.org for nvidia cards (got a gts2)
[01:07] <flodine> there already installed
[01:07] <nickrud> flodine, I mean from marillat or multiverse
[01:07] <GammaRay> apt-get dist-upgrade -f && shutdown -h now
[01:07] <abarbaccia> hey, can anybody help me with bluetooth - i have it detecting my phone, but i can't get it to transfer anything
[01:07] <CB201> flodine, are you sure? try again
[01:07] <dockane> nickrud, it says no
[01:07] <flodine> is that from apt
[01:07] <cens0red> flodine had the same problem. Try this at the console: $sudo apt-get install  mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[01:07] <jnk> abarbaccia, what kind of phone is it?
[01:08] <nickrud> dockane, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:08] <macdan> qwe: it says it needs "php4-universe-common" which is not installed, i searched for it but it wasn't there, ideas?
[01:08] <GammaRay> will a dist-upgrade download everything and then install or will it go a few at a time?
[01:09] <ricardo_> how to install opera ? i 've already downloaded the package ***.deb
[01:09] <dockane> nickrud, but glxgear works
[01:09] <Tuxicity> Hi. The "Hoary Install CD" freezes on "boot: " prompt. I have a USB keyboard. Warty freezes too.
[01:09] <CB201> how do I undo a superblock on /hdd ?
[01:09] <flodine> ok got it installed do i need anything else for mplayer
[01:09] <GammaRay> ricardo_: sudo dpkg -i opera*.deb
[01:09] <jnk> GammaRay, almost everything.
[01:09] <dockane> nickrud, thats pretty much what ubuntuguide.org says and what i did
[01:09] <nickrud> dockane, it does here on my lowly voodoo3, which won't accel in 24bit, but which I use for the prettier colors
[01:10] <cens0red> flodine mplayer-fonts is kind of handy. Especially if you want to be able to see subtitles.
[01:10] <jnk> CB201, I think you can restore a backup or clean it to zeroes with dd
[01:10] <flodine> how do i get that
[01:10] <nickrud> dockane, xorg is just using sofware mesgl, which is slow
[01:10] <nickrud> *mesagl
[01:11] <cens0red> by installing it, with apt-get
[01:11] <ricardo_> GammaRay , i've done that andobtained two more packages control.tar.gz&data.tar.gz
[01:11] <ricardo_> so?
[01:11] <CB201> jnk, I don't have a backup.  I've never actually blocked it.  I just tried to mount my CD-ROM drive and I get a "bad superblock on /dev/hdd" error
[01:11] <dockane> nickrud, ok i ll try to reconfigure with that dpkg command
[01:11] <erik_> exit
[01:12] <flodine> ok now mplayer wont start my movies there avis
[01:12] <nickrud> dockane, I don't use those cards, so I can only point :)
[01:12] <flodine> wow
[01:12] <CB201> jnk, this is the first time I've tried to mount a CD drive
[01:12] <GammaRay> ricardo_: what's the full name of the deb?
[01:12] <flodine> mplayer keeps locing up
[01:12] <flodine> whats up
[01:12] <Tuxicity> CB201: is it a CD-ROM drive or HDD?
[01:13] <ricardo_> wait...opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge-i386.deb
[01:13] <flodine> anyone have that problem with mplayer
[01:13] <CB201> Tuxicity, it is the CD-ROM drive
[01:13] <flodine> help me god Da...............
[01:13] <flodine> lol
[01:14] <flodine> i dont understand this
[01:14] <nickrud> flodine, do you have win32codecs installed?
[01:14] <jnk> CB201, the superblock is some data at the beginning of a partition
[01:14] <nickrud> flodine, never mind
[01:14] <jnk> CB201, what should happen is: you insert the CD, ubuntu finds it
[01:15] <jnk> so it doesn't work?
[01:15] <Tuxicity> CB201: it says bad fs type, so did you try specifying the fs type (-t iso9660) ?
[01:15] <GammaRay> ricardo_: and no /usr/bin/opera was installed?
[01:16] <ricardo_> GammaRay, let's see...
[01:16] <Tuxicity> CB201: and BTW, is there a disc in the drive, lol??
[01:16] <macdan> why is the PHP-MySQL package not mentioned in the Synaptic Package Manager?
[01:16] <CB201> jnk, no it doesn't work
[01:16] <flodine> yes
[01:17] <CB201> Tuxicity, I'll try that...and yes there is a disk in there ;-)
[01:17] <dockane> nickrud,  the wiki does not help me because "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" returns "is not installed"
[01:17] <CB201> ls
[01:17] <CB201> oops, wrong window
[01:17] <djm62> dockane: what about xserver-xorg?
[01:17] <nickrud> dockane, xserver-xorg
[01:17] <ricardo_> yes i've "untared" somefile and obtained a file called opera in usr/bin
[01:17] <dockane> ah ok
[01:17] <Levander> What's the dpkg option to list the "information" about a package you have installed?  I'm looking for the one that prints out the little blurb that describes the package.
[01:17] <jnk> CB201, it's a regular cdrom ? (not dvd, audio cd, ... ?)
[01:17] <nickrud> Levander, apt-cache show
[01:18] <dockane> i am no choosing x driver manually : is nv = nvida
[01:18] <dockane> ?
[01:18] <jnk> nv = open source nvidia
[01:18] <flodine> can nyone please help me with mplayer
[01:18] <flodine> anyone
[01:19] <CB201> jnk, it's actually an audio CD
[01:19] <TestDummy> Er..
[01:19] <jnk> flodine, try "mplayer -ao esd  some-file..."
[01:19] <Tuxicity> CB201: you do not need to mount audio CDs
[01:19] <jnk> CB201, you cannot "mount" an audio cd
[01:19] <TestDummy> The installer keeps on saying I'm using a non-Ubuntu cd when it's the exact same one I was using to install it with..
[01:19] <CB201> jnk...then how do I access files on my audio CD?
[01:19] <Tuxicity> CB201: just open it in XMMs or Beep Media player or other CD/audio player
[01:20] <tbird> anyone having Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:20] <tbird>  fontconfig
[01:20] <tbird> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:20] <jnk> CB201, layout on an audio cd is completely different to data cds. You just run a cd player, it accesses the drive directly
[01:20] <TestDummy> Then it proceeds to try and download 350+MB of stuff it could get off the cd it's saying isn't the right now
[01:20] <TestDummy> one*
[01:20] <Tuxicity> CB201: or, if you want the audio tracks as files, rip it
[01:21] <limer> I installed privoxy via synaptic and when I try to run it from the terminal:   Fatal error: can't check configuration file '/home/limer/config':  No such file or directory
[01:21] <crazydeb8r> I have a very dumb question: After I've installed a program, if it doesn't show up in the menu, how do I figure out what the command to run it is?
[01:22] <TestDummy> Try typing out the name of it??
[01:22] <crazydeb8r> didn't work
[01:22] <flodine> ok............root@linux:/home/flodine # mplayer -ao esd  some-file..MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer TeamCPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)Detected cache-line size is 64 bytesMMX2 supported but disabled3DNow supported but disabled3DNowExt supported but disabledCPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE
[01:22] <autochthon> night all
[01:22] <Levander> nickrud: thanks, worked like a charm!
[01:22] <dockane> should i enable kernel-framebuffer ?
[01:22] <flodine> sorry about the mess
[01:22] <TestDummy> crazydeb8r: What's the program?
[01:22] <helix_> i have trouble with my screen resolution
[01:22] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: in Synaptic, check the "Installed files" tab and search for files in /usr/bin
[01:22] <nickrud> Levander, apt-cache search is also nice :)
[01:22] <crazydeb8r> Tuxicity: I'll try that
[01:22] <jnk> flodine, pv
[01:23] <helix_> i already edited xorg.conf several times...but i keep getting the same resolution
[01:23] <helix_> even when i change the resolution part
[01:23] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: I mean in the Properties of the package in question, there's a tab called "Installed Files"
[01:23] <nickrud> helix_, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for lines with 'Default mode' it should give you some more info
[01:24] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: otherwise, try searching for the program with the command "locate"
[01:24] <TestDummy> Er, yeah. Any idea why the installer is saying I'm giving it the wrong cd when it's the same one it's used for half the install?
[01:25] <crazydeb8r> Tuxicity: thanks
[01:25] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: np
[01:25] <nickrud> crazydeb8r, a good shortcut is dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[01:26] <Tuxicity> nickrud: ya, quicker;)
[01:26] <Tuxicity> Has anyone been able to install Hoary with a USB keyboard attached ?
[01:26] <TestDummy> I'm trying to
[01:26] <TestDummy> It works...
[01:26] <Tuxicity> TestDummy: huh?
[01:26] <TestDummy> But mine stalls and says I'm using the wrong disc
[01:27] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, did you disable usb legacy support in the bios
[01:27] <TestDummy> (Er, the installer seems to work fine for me with USB devices)
[01:27] <helix_> i got mod 1280x1204 but i still get a lower resolution
[01:27] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, I disabled pnp aware os & usb legacy support in my bios for just such problems in the past.
[01:27] <flipy> is there any way to disable esd?
[01:28] <Tuxicity> flipy: killall -9 esd
[01:28] <Markrian> flipy, yes: System->Preferences->Sound and then uncheck "Start sound server at startup"
[01:29] <abarbaccia> hey, i fixed the ati driver thing - i got my hardware accceleration now: glxgears = 5k+
[01:29] <Tuxicity> flipy: Markrian's advice is better
[01:29] <helix_> i dont know what could be wrong if X is reading from xorg.conf and my resolution mod there is 1280x1204 but still reads anotherone
[01:29] <underdog> 'Evening all :)
[01:29] <WhiteRabbit> no fear for!
[01:29] <Markrian> flipy, but esd is useful unless you've got either ALSA set up nicely, or have an SB Live or Audigy
[01:30] <LinuxJones> helix_, you upgraded from Warty ?
[01:30] <helix_> i am in hoary
[01:30] <helix_> and i didnt upgrded
[01:30] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: very interesting... i'll try that
[01:30] <dockane> no nvidia logo / still 5 fps in tuxracer
[01:31] <jnk> helix_, can you choose the one you want through gnome-display-properties ?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> helix_, check your screenresolution settings under System >> Preferences
[01:31] <helix_> jnk: i do..but i still get just one choice after adding several to xorg.conf
[01:31] <SysFail> than it must not be reading that file
[01:31] <helix_> i even did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:31] <jnk> helix_, it may be a problem with the video card driver
[01:32] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, have you checked the md5sum on the iso & burn't disc before the install?
[01:32] <flipy> I've alsa up and running
[01:32] <TestDummy> I don't even know how to check md5 sums
[01:32] <CB201> hey
[01:32] <helix_> this really sucks
[01:32] <flipy> so I think it's no need to use esd
[01:32] <CB201> new problem
[01:32] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you in linux or windows now?
[01:32] <nickrud> helix_, is the screen refresh rate stuck at 60?
[01:32] <helix_> nickrud: 75
[01:32] <CB201> XMMS won't detect my audio CD
[01:32] <jnk> flipy, alsa allows for several programs to use sound at the same time
[01:32] <jnk> esd that is
[01:33] <TestDummy> I could check it I guess, but how?
[01:33] <abarbaccia> anybody use gmailfs in ubuntu?
[01:33] <nickrud> helix_, what kind of card?
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, are you in linux atm?
[01:33] <CB201> actually...which directory should the audio CD be in to find?
[01:33] <TestDummy> Nope
[01:33] <flipy> I think alsa it's better for sound deamons, because it is supported by the kernel
[01:33] <TestDummy> I would be if it installed, but I'm in Windows
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> abarbaccia, its nice to use
[01:33] <flipy> I'd like to turn off OSS and ESD,and just use alsa
[01:33] <helix_> nickrud: i810
[01:33] <nickrud> helix_, you need to add a memory line to your config, wait one
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, md5summer @ http://www.md5summer.org/
[01:34] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/MD5SUMS to match
[01:35] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
[01:35] <underdog> Guys... what's ubuntu's "position", let's say, about the ATI drivers? I have to go through a lot of work in installing them on debian
[01:36] <WhiteRabbit> underdog, its rather what is ati "position" on linuix >  .  <
[01:36] <nickrud> helix_, add a line VideoRam to the Device section. how much memory do you have
[01:36] <helix_> nickrud: i have 256
[01:36] <kakalto> I thought GTK was GNOME ToolKit, but it's GIMP ToolKit?
[01:36] <Juhaz> kakalto, it's both
[01:36] <helix_> kakalto: its both
[01:36] <pantz> i have a large 'share' partition formatted ext3 - anyone know what options i need to pass to have a rw access for a particular group (id=100) ?
[01:37] <nickrud> helix_, ok VideoRam 32768
[01:37] <pantz> i want to share it between ubuntu on hda1 and kubuntu on hda3
[01:37] <kakalto> why does gtk.org say Gimp TK, instead of Gnome TK?
[01:37] <helix_> nickrud: under what line
[01:37] <stevenj> ok does anyone use gwget2 and fireget...for some unknown reason gwget2 is not .90 version in Synaptic; however there is a deb package on the gwget2 site....can someone tell me what to do because apparently fireget is not working with .7 version of gwget2
[01:37] <nickrud> that'll give you 32M, which should get you more resolutions.
[01:37] <camcorder> kaklto: it's gimp toolkit
[01:37] <camcorder> kakalto even
[01:37] <nickrud> the Section Device, right below where it says i810
[01:38] <TestDummy> Blah
[01:38] <TestDummy> WhiteRabbit: They don't match
[01:38] <Juhaz> underdog, fglrx drivers don't come on installation cd's, but it is easy to install them from internet
[01:38] <TestDummy> That sucks :|
[01:38] <pantz> this line in fstab - dev/hda2       /media/share    ext3    defaults        0       2 - only gives root rw access
[01:38] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, Ok you can fix it really easyly ever used rsync?
[01:38] <camcorder> kakalto: but it's nothing to do w/ gimp. it used to do though .
[01:38] <TestDummy> Nope
[01:39] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you can use rsync to fix the iso to be perfect
[01:39] <TestDummy> Okay..
[01:39] <stevenj> anyone know if I can safely install this? --- http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gwget/gwget-0.93_0.93-1_i386.deb  thanks!
[01:39] <WhiteRabbit> instead of redownloading
[01:39] <nickrud> pantz, did you ever find out about your wierd mount problem?
[01:40] <helix_> damn..it same resolution
[01:40] <pantz> nickrud, yeah i booted the live cd and ran fsck with the badblocks option (-c) it found my dodgy /etc/mtab file and fixed it - rebooted into ubuntu and here i am without any problem :)))
[01:40] <nickrud> it's nice to have nice tools :)
[01:41] <flipy> if I mount the windows partition, update-grub will not see it anymore, and I have to edit the menu.lst every time
[01:41] <flipy> is there any way to solve that?
[01:41] <pantz> yes it is - and its nice to know about them :)
[01:41] <mishof> Q: some guide tells me to edit /etc/modeprobe.conf but i dont seem to have it ... (???)
[01:41] <nickrud> helix_, if you want, you could put xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log on pastebin.com & I look
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[01:41] <CB201> I can't mount my audio CD in XMMS
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> I want to start laptop-mode at boot
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> what should I put in the command field of the sessions options?
[01:42] <CB201> I tried using the Audio Cd player plugin
[01:42] <CB201> with no success
[01:42] <thechitowncubs> this is how i start it in the terminal: sudo laptop-mode start, so what should I put in the sessions command field?
[01:42] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you wanna use rsync or redownload?
[01:42] <TestDummy> I don't feel like redownloading it
[01:43] <jnk> CB201, try gnome-cd
[01:43] <CB201> can any ubuntu/XMMS users out there tell me which directory I should put under Device in the CD plugin
[01:43] <helix_> under Driver "i810"
[01:43] <nickrud> helix_, yes
[01:43] <helix_> futch
[01:43] <nickrud> :)
[01:43] <PacoBCN> And right after tune this radio: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8282
[01:43] <helix_> with parenthesis as well
[01:43] <CB201> jnk, I got an "error reading CD" message
[01:43] <PacoBCN> "it's wonderful..."
[01:44] <flipy> is there any way to install bootsplash to ubuntu?
[01:44] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, one 2nd while a locate a server that has a rsync module running ;)
[01:44] <jnk> CB201, the device I guess is something like /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[01:44] <LinuxJones> CB201, /media/cdrom0 usually
[01:44] <TestDummy> ?????
[01:44] <TestDummy> That made no sense
[01:44] <nickrud> helix_, i don't _think_ you need any quotes
[01:44] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, the server must be running rsync in order to do this
[01:44] <mirage> can one install from the livecd?
[01:44] <helix_> nickrud: still failed
[01:44] <TestDummy> Okay, well, I don't know how to find one
[01:45] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, whats your geo location?
[01:45] <TestDummy> Uh, I'm in the States..
[01:45] <nickrud> helix_, I'm at a loss without seeing the logs
[01:45] <CB201> LinuxJones, I tried /media/cdrom0
[01:45] <CB201> LinuxJones, I ran the Check CD option and got nothing
[01:45] <stazz> how does one adjust vim's depth of c-indents?
[01:46] <CB201> LinuxJones, the error is Failed to Read Table of Contents
[01:46] <nickrud> helix_, you are restarting X with ctrl delete backspace at the login, right?
[01:47] <mirage> can I install ubuntu from the livecd or do I need the install CD in that case?
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> you need the install cd
[01:47] <mirage> too bad.
[01:47] <TestDummy> Wait a second..
[01:48] <TestDummy> WhiteRabbit: Uh... I just noticed something
[01:48] <helix_> nickrud: yes
[01:48] <TestDummy> They do match >_< . I was looking at the MD5 for the i386-live ISO, not install
[01:48] <LinuxJones> CB201, is your cd scratched up ?
[01:48] <CB201> LinuxJones...no...
[01:48] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, well that will save us both on time ;)
[01:48] <nickrud> getting desperate :)
[01:49] <TestDummy> What's wrong with this thing then?
[01:49] <CB201> it keeps suggesting that there's no disk in the drive
[01:49] <mirage> does ubuntu have back-compatibility with deb?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> CB201, double click the icon on the desktop when you put a cd in the drive
[01:49] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, & you have pnp aware os & usb leg support off in the bios?
[01:49] <TestDummy> I think so..
[01:49] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, is this on a laptop by chance?
[01:50] <TestDummy> Nope.
[01:50] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you used nero to burn?
[01:50] <CB201> LinuxJones, I'm not running GNOME so there is no CD
[01:50] <TestDummy> I did :|
[01:50] <CB201> *icon
[01:50] <LinuxJones> CB201, what are you running ?
[01:50] <TestDummy> My buner is kinda eccentric..
[01:50] <TestDummy> Sometimes it makes bad burns
[01:50] <CB201> LinuxJones, fluxbox
[01:50] <TestDummy> Perhaps if I tried a reburn..
[01:50] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, tell me you aren't using a cd gen'ed key for nero
[01:51] <TestDummy> You asking me if I'm using a pirated version??
[01:51] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, as nero blacklists gen'ed keys these days & cause funky burns even with the md5sum in tact as it can funk the fs of the burn up & cause you trouble
[01:51] <TestDummy> No, I'm using the one I got off the disc that came with the drive I bough
[01:51] <TestDummy> Mines legit.
[01:51] <LinuxJones> CB201,  do you have the cd mounted ? type sudo mount | grep cdrom
[01:52] <CB201> omg, I was just told that I don't need to mount audio CDs
[01:52] <CB201> going around in circles here
[01:52] <kakalto> has anyone tried the rc3 of debian installer for sarge?
[01:52] <slappy16> you dont
[01:52] <slappy16> grip uses the /dev/cdrom
[01:52] <Zugot> i've been working all afternoon trying to figure out why this I can't copy this 17GB file over the wan at the job
[01:52] <LinuxJones> CB201,  I havn't been following your entire conversation dude
[01:52] <Zugot> i'm gonna vent my frustrations by answering questions on #ubuntu
[01:52] <slappy16> thats what ive been doing
[01:52] <nickrud> :)
[01:52] <slappy16> im not even using it anymore
[01:53] <slappy16> hey nick!
[01:53] <nickrud> hi, slappy16 , no apostates :)
[01:53] <CB201> LinuxJones, whenever I try to mount an audio CD I get an error telling me it's the wrong type of files
[01:53] <slappy16> did seven-six-two reinstall yesterday or get a fix?
[01:53] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, have you tryed to burn it again its possible the media is borked aka the CD-R itself in some weird way?
[01:53] <slappy16> you dont need to mount an audio cd
[01:53] <TestDummy> It's a CD-RW
[01:53] <nickrud> slappy16, which problem was that, I remember him, but not the problem :)
[01:54] <slappy16> oihhh
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, bingo!
[01:54] <slappy16> mp3's?
[01:54] <TestDummy> Perhaps I should try a new disc..
[01:54] <TestDummy> But I have none.
[01:54] <slappy16> it was the dpkg issue w/ /var/lib/dpkg
[01:54] <TestDummy> Just 10 or so CD-RW's
[01:54] <CB201> LinuxJones, that doesn't happen when I try to read from normal data CDs
[01:54] <TestDummy> ?
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, unused cd-rws?
[01:54] <TestDummy> Reused..
[01:54] <Zugot> i bought some cheap cds from circuit city the other day...
[01:54] <TestDummy> You think I'd use a rewritable disc only once?
[01:54] <nickrud> slappy16, how could I forget? I think he's reinstalling :)
[01:54] <Zugot> didn't realize they were only 4x...
[01:54] <TestDummy> (Yeah, they are kinda cheapy brand come to think of it)
[01:54] <slappy16> lol...ya, i cant believe i remember
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, As in hey these are new & haven't been used yet...
[01:55] <TestDummy> And they are only 4x for me too, says 12 though
[01:55] <TestDummy> Really used..
[01:55] <TestDummy> I guess I could pick up a fresh pack sometime
[01:55] <nickrud> How could I forget someone deleting everything in /var/lib/dpkg :)
[01:55] <slappy16> lol..no kidding..well, he did say it was because of fsck
[01:55] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, Im gonna chalk it up to that although that may not very well be the problem at hand, But I'd suggest getting some unused burning media for your next OS burn ;)
[01:56] <nickrud> slappy16, that's the best guess.
[01:56] <LinuxJones> CB201,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MultimediaHOWTO#cd-player
[01:56] <slappy16> does anyone have a usb laser mouse that locks up occasionally?
[01:56] <TestDummy> I guess I could try erasing it, reburning it and give it one more go
[01:56] <TestDummy> And if that doesn't work, to the store to get a few new discs..
[01:56] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you could but if its not gonna break the bank I'd go ahead & grab some cd-r's
[01:57] <TestDummy> I guess I'll do that.
[01:57] <LinuxJones> CB201,  double check those settings
[01:58] <TestDummy> Thanks for the help :P
[02:02] <gordonjcp> hey all
[02:02] <goldfish> hi
[02:03] <cens0red> morning.
[02:03] <WhiteRabbit> Afternoon
[02:04] <kakalto> ty
[02:04] <nickrud> quietest I've seen since release
[02:04] <Juhaz> is there a dpkg command for seeing which package a given file belongs to?
[02:04] <slappy16> dpkg -S
[02:05] <krusbjorn> now that everyone seems bored, i might just as well ask how to get out of the RAM memory djungle ;) anyone know any performance diffs between kingston value, geil value and corsair value?
[02:06] <Juhaz> doh. of course, tried that first but it didn't work, forgot that it needs absolute path.
[02:08] <helix_> rudnick: you still here?
[02:08] <nickrud> yup
[02:08] <flipy> if I install a set of packages with synaptic, is there any way to do something like a rollback?
[02:08] <chombee> hello everyone - I have an absolutely HORRENDOUS problem with Ubuntu probably related to postfix configuration that I really need a hand with. My laptop is apparently delivering cron and anacron error messages to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that is the domain of the email and webserver I use, not localdomain, and my administrator is getting spammed and so he's killing my account. It just started doing this apparently for no r
[02:08] <chombee> eason. I found mydomain.com in /etc/hosts and the other postifx hosts file and removed it. Does anyone know how I can force a reset of the postfix config to a safe default? Or how I can verify for sure where these error messages are now being sent so I know I'm safe? (It could also be that they're being bounced to my beleagured admin). I'm monitoring eth1 now for packets on port 25.
[02:08] <helix_> do you want me to dcc you the xorg.conf
[02:08] <nickrud> that's fine
[02:09] <goldfish> lol
[02:09] <busfahrer_> Excuse me, the Firefox on Hoary lists itself as "Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)"... now what is it really, 1.0 or 1.0.2?
[02:10] <NetwrkMonkey> what would cause my system clock to gain time in hoary, this didn't happen in warty
[02:10] <nickrud> does anyone remember the dpkg command that that reinstalls the original config?
[02:10] <concept10> daylight savings time?
[02:10] <helix_> dpkg-recongifure <package>
[02:10] <helix_> reconfigure*
[02:11] <thr1ce> 1.0.2
[02:11] <nickrud> helix_, no, it actually reinstalls the package, and force-overwrites back to the default.
[02:11] <nickrud> then you run dpkg-reconfigure
[02:11] <helix_> i am going to install a kernel from source
[02:12] <helix_> i hope that helps out
[02:12] <helix_> generic always suck
[02:12] <nickrud> helix_, use ubuntu's sources, it'll save you pain
[02:12] <dcraven> nickrud, isn't it "dpkg-reconfigure --purge remove <package>"?
[02:12] <NetwrkMonkey> it's gaining minutes
[02:12] <zero[] > anybody here use mono/c# in ubuntu?
[02:13] <helix_> zero[]  i do
[02:13] <flipy> if I install a set of packages with synaptic, is there any way to do something like a rollback?
[02:13] <mello> hey guys, can i update GAIM to the newest version? and is it worth it?
[02:13] <nickrud> dcraven, dpkg-reconfigure runs the confguration utility debconf, it doesn't install anything.
[02:14] <dcraven> nickrud, oh yeah.. I meant apt-get instead of dpkg-reconfigure.... Oops.
[02:14] <chombee> I'm looking at man, apparently it is just dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[02:14] <busfahrer_> Thanks.
[02:14] <chombee> 'reconfigures packages after they have already been installed'
[02:14] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah I think you're right :)
[02:14] <zero[] > helix_: do i need to install gcc-sharp from source to use mono/c#?
[02:15] <zero[] > i have mono installed
[02:15] <zero[] > from synaptic
[02:15] <dcraven> chombee, I'm not sure how well that will work if the config has been modified manually though. Something tells me an md5sum is kept so that you don't lose manual modifications (thankfully).
[02:15] <zero[] > gtk-sharp
[02:15] <zero[] > oops
[02:16] <nickrud> chombee, yeah, but dpkg-reconfigure won't affect everything, just most things.
[02:16] <|QuaD-> zero[] : do an apt-cache show mono see if its installed
[02:16] <tweek> is totem-xine known to be buggy as hell in amd64?
[02:16] <Xeon3D> e
[02:16] <Xeon3D> erm.. how does one install 3d acceleration for nvidia on ubuntu? :P
[02:16] <zero[] > |Quad-: it is. i can also run the command "mono"
[02:16] <nickrud> chombee, what's in your /etc/aliases
[02:17] <dcraven> zero[] , it's libgtk-cil.
[02:18] <chombee> nothing too suspicous was in there when I first checked. I've since set sysadmin, webmaster, abuse, postmaster and root to 'sean'. Previously postmaster was 'root' and the others ommitted. Root was set to 'sean' though
[02:18] <dcraven> I love the debian package naming conventions (assuming there is a convention)...
[02:18] <|QuaD-> zero[] : ok
[02:18] <XplOzIon> Xeon3D Read http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:19] <nickrud> ok
[02:19] <Atholas> There seems to be a lot of eye candy stuff in Ubuntu like shadow under the mouse etc etc. How can I disable those?
[02:19] <zero[] > great! got it working, thanks
[02:20] <goldfish> Atholas: u got an nvidia crad?
[02:20] <goldfish> *card
[02:20] <zero[] > ah, i love apt-get
[02:20] <XplOzIon> nvidia-settings
[02:20] <Atholas> goldfish: no :(
[02:20] <goldfish> ah right
[02:20] <goldfish> hmm
[02:20] <chombee> Is there a log somewhere which would show the messages being sent to root@mydomain and show that they are now being sent to localdomain. so I can be sure I've fixed it?
[02:20] <dcraven> Atholas, shadow under the mouse probably comes with the mouse cursor theme.
[02:20] <goldfish> I was gonna suggest xcompmgr
[02:21] <Atholas> I thought it is an xorg problem that is causing this slowdown :(
[02:21] <LinuxJones> chombee, I can post my  /etc/postfix/main.cf to pastebin.ca if you want to compare ?
[02:21] <duncanm> is there a firefox 1.0.3 for Hoary?
[02:21] <nickrud> chombee, /var/log/mail.log
[02:21] <l33txp> ok guys.. the n00b is back..
[02:21] <XplOzIon> lol
[02:21] <dcraven> Atholas, there is a /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources gconf key that you could set to true too. But that will only affect some Metacity eye-candy stuff.
[02:21] <l33txp> I gave up on my ATI drivers... now I'm onto Opera browser... I downloaded the version for my distro... now how do I install???
[02:21] <dcraven> Not really eye-candy, but y'know.
[02:22] <l33txp> I have this file...
[02:22] <l33txp> opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[02:22] <dcraven> duncanm, only what you see in the repository.
[02:22] <Xeon3D> thanks XplOzIon
[02:22] <tahorg> l33txp: dpkg -i
[02:22] <Atholas> dcraven: I just tried changing theme and the mouse shadow is still there.  I know.. it's just the nic I've used for years..
[02:23] <chombee> LinuxJones, sure why not?
[02:23] <gordonjcp> hello
[02:23] <dcraven> Atholas, you don't have composite enabled do you? Do the windows have shadows?
[02:23] <tahorg> l33txp: :)
[02:23] <LinuxJones> chombee, :)
[02:23] <chombee> nickrud - inspecting that log file
[02:23] <gordonjcp> can anyone give me some help with Evolution?
[02:23] <dcraven> zero[] , I think Mono is better than Java.
[02:23] <LinuxJones> chombee, http://pastebin.ca/9850
[02:23] <_machado_> hi !! i'm trying to install fltk-1.1.6
[02:23] <dcraven> zero[] , but you may feel differently.
[02:24] <dcraven> zero[] , there are Java bindings to GTK as well if you  prefer.
[02:24] <_machado_> and checking for jpeg_CreateCompress in -ljpeg... no !!! what lib i have to install ?
[02:24] <chombee> LinuxJones, thanks!
[02:24] <LinuxJones> chombee, I am sure the myhostname is the address that postfix mails to
[02:24] <l33txp> crap.. how do I get to the desktop directory on the command line??
[02:24] <b2s> _machado_: I'd guess it was libjpeg
[02:25] <b2s> l33txp: cd ~/Desktop
[02:25] <tahorg> l33txp: cd ~/Desktop
[02:25] <l33txp> ty
[02:25] <krusbjorn> l33txp: cd  ~/Desktop
[02:25] <mak> can someone help me mount a device that is connected via usb?
[02:25] <tahorg> combo !
[02:25] <krusbjorn> ;)
[02:25] <_machado_> i try  apt-get install libjpeg
[02:25] <_machado_> but doen't work
[02:25] <l33txp> "No such directory or file"
[02:25] <l33txp> lol
[02:25] <helix_> zero[]  there is no gcc sharp
[02:25] <helix_> lol
[02:25] <Atholas> dcraven: I have just set the reduce_resources key to true. Hope it works. And I don't have composite enabled at all
[02:25] <tahorg> l33txp: cd ~
[02:25] <b2s> l33txp: cd ~ ; ls
[02:26] <helix_> zero[]  install mono and it comes with its own compilers "mcs"
[02:26] <XplOzIon> remember to write the D in capital Desktop!!
[02:26] <dcraven> Atholas, if it is going to work, the effects will be seen immediately.
[02:26] <zero[] > helix_: yeah, i meant gtk-sharp. i already got it all working
[02:26] <Atholas> dcraven: I don't know if this is a placebo effect or what, it does seem a bit snappier
[02:26] <Atholas> dcraven: Thanks a lot.
[02:27] <mak> anyone? I know this is a simple thing, the device is showing up under lsusb, its all there, i just dont know how to mount it
[02:27] <dcraven> Atholas, no problemo.
[02:27] <helix_> zero[]  if you want to test it out install "muine" or "f-spot"
[02:27] <tahorg> l33txp: you should read some basic cli tutorials
[02:27] <zero[] > helix_: i compiled a hello world program and ran it, worked.. hehe
[02:27] <XplOzIon> mak, try man mount
[02:27] <helix_> w00t
[02:28] <zero[] > i love apt-get... how did i ever get along without it
[02:28] <dcraven> _machado_, did you try libjpeg62-dev?
[02:28] <mak> XplOxlIon, i know about mount, I just dont know what /dev/"device" it is
use smart</mindtrick>
[02:29] <XplOzIon> mak, do you know how to list your devices? sudo fdisk -l
[02:29] <b2s> mak try checking dmesg|tail and seeing if something shows up there right after you plug in the device
[02:29] <l33txp> guys...
[02:29] <l33txp> "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of opera:"
[02:29] <b2s> XplOzIon: that won't always work (doesn't even list my hda!)
[02:29] <l33txp> "opera depends on libqt3c102-mt; however:
[02:29] <l33txp>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[02:29] <l33txp> dpkg: error processing opera (--install):
[02:29] <l33txp>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:29] <l33txp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:29] <l33txp>  opera"
[02:29] <tahorg> l33txp: sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[02:30] <XplOzIon> b2s, really? till now havent failed on me =D
[02:30] <dcraven> l33txp, you think you might need to install the dependancy?
[02:30] <chombee> LinuxJones, you mean the 'myhostname' in main.cf is the host that postfix appends to local mails? eg.: to a mail for 'root'?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> l33txp, is there a statically linked version of opera  ?
[02:30] <mak> b2s, it says usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[02:30] <XplOzIon> hmm that makes me wanna try my USB camera
[02:31] <LinuxJones> chombee, I am pretty sure your is set to something else right ?
[02:31] <l33txp> I have no idea.. LoL.. I'm such a frickin n0000000b
[02:31] <b2s> XplOzIon: yeah, it only shows me sdb (which is my usb flash drive)
[02:32] <dcraven> l33txp, take your time and read the messages that your machine gives you. Sometimes (however not often maybe), the errors are meaningful.
[02:32] <chombee> nickrud - thanks, I can see the messages that were sent to my admin over the past few days, and see that no more are being sent, not yet verified if the same errors are being sent to me instead now
[02:32] <LinuxJones> l33txp, that's ok :) Opera used to provide one that will fix that problem. Like 2 years ago I dunno if they still ahve tone check their site.
[02:32] <krusbjorn> l33txp: why install Opera, btw? you norweigan? ;)
[02:32] <chombee> LinuxJones - actually, it's set to localhost.localdomain. Maybe the mails get bounced to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:32] <LinuxJones> have* one* :(
[02:32] <l33txp> no.. american.. I use it on my windows system.
[02:32] <mak> XplOzIon, fdisk only shows my partitions, I still dont know what device the usb is
[02:33] <l33txp> I guess I'll use firefox..
[02:33] <l33txp> grr
[02:33] <nickrud> chombee, just out of curiosity, what programs are sending to root?
[02:33] <LinuxJones> chombee, I don't run postfix so I am not 100% sure. Best to post to the forums if nobody can help you in irc atm. You will get a reply fairly soon ;)
[02:33] <b2s> mak: hmm, I get something like that, but afterwords I get "scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices" and then "usb-storage device found at X" and then more stuff and then "Attached scsi removable disk sdb etc etc"
[02:33] <makyo2> hello, is crimsun around?
[02:34] <b2s> mak maybe check lsmod to be sure you have the modules installed?  They should be automatic I thought though
[02:34] <nickrud> someone knows who to ask :)
[02:34] <tahorg> b2s: try hal-device-manager
[02:34] <mak> b2s, the thing is, I'm not positive if its a "mass storage device" its an iriver
[02:34] <tahorg> mak
[02:34] <chombee> nickrud - cron and anacron. They may be sending or maybe the mails get bounced
[02:34] <tahorg> (sorry)
[02:35] <LinuxJones> chombee, >> http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#root
[02:35] <nickrud> yeah, those should be going straight to your inbox, mine do.
[02:35] <b2s> mak: ah, that's a whole different thing then
[02:35] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use Evolution web calendars?
[02:35] <tahorg> mak: google the model name with 'linux mass storage'
[02:36] <b2s> mak:  you might check and see if ifp-driver.sf.net is elucidating, but I don't know anything about irivers
[02:36] <krusbjorn> mak: what iriver is it?
[02:36] <mak> tahorg, I'll try it
[02:36] <tahorg> IIRC all the 'old' models are usb mass storage compatible
[02:36] <mak> krusbjorn, its an ifp899
[02:36] <krusbjorn> mak: is that a flash unit?
[02:37] <mak> I couldnt get ifp-gnome to work with it,it says device busy
[02:37] <mak> krushbjorn, it is
[02:37] <krusbjorn> mak: okies, never mind then
[02:37] <chombee> nickrud, LinuxJones - thanks! I have to go and make dinner soon, but I'll leave it monitoring port 25 and check that mail.log, and I'll give that faq a read and make a note of all this stuff
[02:38] <b2s> mak: there seem to be mulitple projects on ifp-driver.sf.net so maybe another would work better for you
[02:38] <chombee> it looks like it has stopped doing it, though I don't understand what I did, but since I'm still able to send mail fine I'm okay
[02:38] <krusbjorn> mak: try searching the misticriver forums if you didnt already
[02:39] <nickrud> chombee, it may simply be that cron has nothing to say right now, that's all.
[02:39] <mak> b2s, the reason I'm trying to mount it is because I read somewhere that the new ones can be mounted as a mass storage device. And having failed at attempts to make those work, im trying it this way
[02:39] <Tuxicity> During Hoary installation, "Testing network repositories..." took a very long time. Is this normal? Did I misconfigure my network?
[02:40] <b2s> mak: yes, one of the links on that site is a kernel module that supposedly mounts that thing as a device
[02:40] <chombee> nickrud - yeah, I know. that's why I have to leave it running. It was sending 25 messages a day with the computer only on for a couple of hours though, so I should see something. I'd just like to see for sure a message fom cron going locally now. Maybe if I inspect the mail.log more closely I can identify them Do you know how I can read the local box it delivers to?
[02:40] <XplOzIon> Wow, download photos from my USB camara never been so easy!
[02:41] <Rima> has anyone got World of warcraft running under ubuntu off an ntfs partition?
[02:41] <nickrud> root mail may be going to /var/mail  and grep 'root@' /var/log/mail.log will skim the log for you.
[02:41] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use Evolution web calendars?
[02:41] <nickrud> /var/mail/root :)
[02:42] <mak> b2s, thanks, I'll keep looking
[02:43] <gordonjcp> ok, another question then
[02:43] <gordonjcp> does anyone know how to completely eradicate all traces of Evolution from Ubuntu?
[02:43] <chombee> nickrud - no such file or dir?
[02:43] <XplOzIon> b2s, any idea why i cant import my photos?
[02:43] <XplOzIon> b2s, it shows all photos in the camera, but clicking on IMPORT doesnt do anything
[02:44] <nickrud> if /var/mail/root doesn't exist, that's normal
[02:44] <b2s> XplOzIon: nope, I haven't tested my digital camera in ubuntu yet... did you check ~/.xsession-errors and/or dmesg?
[02:44] <b2s> I only installed ubuntu on saturday, give me some time :P
[02:45] <XplOzIon> b2s, hehe, well it opened a window where u selected the camera model and then it uploaded photos from camera, but when i select some photos and click impor doesnt do anything
[02:46] <b2s> now that I'm thinking of it, has anyone gotten a palm to sync correctly under ubuntu?  /dev/pilot doesn't seem to exist, and /dev/ttyUSB1 doesn't always seem to be the palm.. maybe some hotplug setting needs work?
[02:46] <nickrud> gordonjcp, apt-get remove --purge evolution
[02:46] <gordonjcp> nickrud: cool
[02:46] <XplOzIon> b2s, never mind, for some reason it does import the photos now
[02:47] <gordonjcp> it's a shame, but it doesn't do ical properly
[02:47] <b2s> XplOzIon: it was just messin with you
[02:47] <gordonjcp> nickrud: unless you can think of a way to convince it to accept a username and password for the directory with the ical file
[02:47] <b2s> XplOzIon: what software are you using btw?
[02:47] <cjfp> is acroread 7.0 in ubuntu?
[02:47] <XplOzIon> b2s, no no wait, it imported a file of 0kb
[02:48] <XplOzIon> b2s, software? to import photos? ubuntu itself
[02:48] <b2s> XplOzIon: well, like I said, check .xsession-errors and/or dmesg to see if there is any useful error being output by something
[02:48] <b2s> and yes, what software to import photos....
[02:48] <XplOzIon> ok
[02:49] <nickrud> gordonjcp, I've never used it's ical feature.
[02:49] <torpid> any of you guys know anything about a working open currency system?
[02:49] <gordonjcp> nickrud: ok, got any good pointers to information about Evolution?
[02:49] <gordonjcp> the gnome website is stunningly useless
[02:50] <torpid> pretty much
[02:50] <scott> so apt is being all screwy on me. it won't install a couple packages (mono) because /usr/lib/mono is in the package muine, and it says to run apt-get -f install and that just gives me that error--anything else says run apt-get -f install (which doesn't help)
[02:50] <nickrud> gordonjcp, I'd google for evolution ical password
[02:51] <scott> anyone know how to fix apt when apt-get -f install doesn't do the trick?
[02:52] <gordonjcp> nickrud: been there, done that
[02:52] <gordonjcp> nickrud: why do you think I'm asking in here?
[02:52] <b2s> :( ubuntu keeps locking up when I access my usb flash card too often...
[02:52] <XplOzIon> b2s, honestly i dont understand what dmesg says, something about USB like this: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[02:52] <XplOzIon> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[02:52] <XplOzIon> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
[02:52] <helio7> Anyone have a minute to peek at my ~/.xsession-errors file?  I just booted up and can't get into gnome.  I'm using fluxbox, but gnome appears broken.  Here's the error-log from .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.ca/9852
[02:52] <nickrud> gordonjcp, desperation :)
[02:54] <b2s> XplOzIon: that doesn't mean anything to me either... I assume its the usb camera being detected
[02:54] <b2s> gordonjcp: sunbird is pretty beta isn't it?  plus, does gpilot sync to it (or just evolution)?
[02:54] <FlimFlamMan> gordonjcp, i too am using thunderbird and sunbird instead of evolution
[02:55] <FlimFlamMan> (on debian though, not ubuntu - i like the ubuntu live cd but i;m not quire ready to commit to it)
[02:55] <acrid> I use Sunbird and I'm very happy with it...but that's just me
[02:56] <gordonjcp> b2s: I use Mozilla Calendar, my gf uses Sunbird and is quite happy with it
[02:56] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, what's wrong with it?
[02:56] <b2s> nickrud: heh, seemed ok to me.. even supports IDLE
[02:56] <acrid> and no, I'm not his girlfriend
[02:56] <nickrud> FlimFlamMan, I keep my local store under courier-imap, and thunderbird is slow
[02:57] <b2s> nickrud: I use courier-imap too.. It does seem a bit slow on loading, but once its running things are pretty nice.
[02:58] <nickrud> b2s, I have some large maildirs, and I'm not that patient, even if it's only once every while :)
[02:58] <XplOzIon> how do i see xsession-errors?
[02:58] <XplOzIon> damn im a noob lol
[02:58] <b2s> nickrud: so what do you use in preference?
[02:58] <b2s> XplOzIon: the file is ~/.xsession-errors
[02:59] <nickrud> b2s, been using evolution for a long time, but have tried kmail sylpheed, balsa (ug) thunderbird (a beta, to be fair) and a few others
[02:59] <flodine> helio7 you on fluxbox
[03:00] <b2s> nickrud: and evolution is fast when starting up and connecting to large courier boxes?
[03:00] <nickrud> b2s, faster than any of the others
[03:00] <nickrud> subjectively :)
[03:00] <b2s> dang it, I'm going to have to reboot :((
[03:01] <nickrud> b2s, why
[03:01] <b2s> man I hate rebooting linux.
[03:01] <b2s> nickrud: things are starting to lock up from accessing my usb flash card
[03:02] <b2s> pdflush is "uninterruptible", as are usb-storage and scsi_eh_3
[03:02] <b2s> that's all kernel stuff, so I don't think I can kill it
[03:02] <helio7> Any idea why my .ICEauthority file would be unreadable by gdm leading to a failure in starting gnome?
[03:03] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox please help
[03:03] <XplOzIon> b2s, in that file doesnt seem to post any usb error
[03:03] <nickrud> b2s, bye bye ;)
[03:03] <b2s> XplOzIon: if you've got no errors, its going to be tough to debug ;)
[03:04] <XplOzIon> b2s, i posted the file check it http://pastebin.ca/9855
[03:04] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, i use courier-imap too at work and at home - haven't really noticed any serious speed problems.  what are you comparing to?
[03:05] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, correction - i switched to cyrus at home, sorry
[03:05] <XplOzIon> b2s, o yeah theres an sub error
[03:05] <XplOzIon> b2s, didnt notice =/
[03:05] <nickrud> FlimFlamMan, to be fair, it was a beta. I haven't tried again in a while, so I'll do it again.
[03:06] <chillywilly> is hoary going to get the new firefox?
[03:06] <qwe> hoary's already out
[03:07] <krusbjorn> helio7: trie this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1583.html
[03:07] <krusbjorn> tried*
[03:07] <helio7> reading now krusbjorn, thanks
[03:07] <qwe> I'm trying to mount a windows share and it fails with this in dmesg: "missing data argument"
[03:07] <qwe> errr "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[03:08] <qwe> anybody know what's wrong?
[03:08] <krusbjorn> helio7: np :)
[03:09] <chillywilly> should I be brave and upgrade to breezy?
[03:09] <thr1ce> chillywilly, i'm running it
[03:09] <chillywilly> I thought security fixes were provided for a release qwe
[03:10] <chillywilly> ff 1.0.3 is a security fix isn't it?
[03:10] <Atholas> Yeah it is. I'm waiting for it too.
[03:11] <Atholas> Seems like FF 1.0.3 is not in breezy either.
[03:11] <chillywilly> blah
[03:11] <Amaranth> "I anticipate that Ubuntu will become the mainstream Linux distribution globally."
[03:11] <Amaranth> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253
[03:11] <Atholas> Seems like Fedora is real up to date with things..
[03:11] <chillywilly> I anticipate that no one can tell the future
[03:13] <chillywilly> why is ubuntu-desktop being removed on a dist-upgrade?
[03:13] <chillywilly> dust-upgrade to breezy
[03:13] <chillywilly> dist even ;P
[03:13] <chillywilly> that's a funny typo
[03:13] <ryman> hello
[03:14] <ryman> I tried to run gdesklet but somehow it frozen or nothing showed up
[03:14] <punkrockguy318> How well does xfce4 integrate with ubuntu?
[03:14] <Xeon3D> ryman, go into a terminal and type sudo killall gdesklets
[03:15] <Xeon3D> or gdesklet
[03:15] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: im using it, and it works perfectly fine
[03:15] <GammaRay> hmmm what is discover? will this conflict w/ gnome-volume-manager?
[03:15] <krusbjorn> good luck chillywilly :D
[03:15] <punkrockguy318> krischan, alright... does it still have my menus?
[03:15] <ryman> Xeon3D|  I did that
[03:16] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: your menus?
[03:16] <punkrockguy318> krusbjorn, mhmm the ubuntu app menus
[03:16] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: yeah, they are there...i cant seem to be able to remove them either ;)
[03:16] <chillywilly> Ubuntu is ona  6 month release cycyle, correct?
[03:17] <WhiteRabbit> so far yes
[03:17] <krusbjorn> the gnome app menus are integrated in the basic "right click menu"
[03:17] <nickrud> chillywilly, you should make another partition, and run breezy there. When it breaks, you can come back and tell us about it:)
[03:17] <krusbjorn> lol
[03:17] <chillywilly> nickrud: I have ALWAYS ran debian sid...so what makes you think I can't fix a broken Ubuntu?
[03:17] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[03:18] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: welcome
[03:18] <nickrud> chillywilly, I ran the same sid install from 2001 to a couple months ago, but breezy will not be sid :)
[03:19] <nickrud> chillywilly, And I will stand by that until beagle makes it into breezy, when it will be perfect.
[03:19] <chillywilly> beagle?
[03:20] <chillywilly> not sure wtf that is
[03:20] <netsharc> hello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML hanging the whole system?
[03:20] <nickrud> a mono thing, it's an app that will index mail, web pages, etc, etc, etc.
[03:20] <chillywilly> bleh
[03:20] <nickrud> remember medusa :)
[03:20] <chillywilly> yes
[03:21] <nickrud> supposed to be that on steriods
[03:21] <chillywilly> yea, but why C#?
[03:21] <chillywilly> damn them ;)
[03:21] <helio7> krusbjorn: you rock; thanks for the link before, I had tried chmodding .ICEauthority but had overlooked chown;
[03:21] <chillywilly> OOo 2 beta is still out of date
[03:21] <nickrud> I quit program a while ago, so I don't care anymore ;P
[03:21] <chillywilly> they were upt o 1.9.93 last I looked
[03:22] <chillywilly> s/o/to/
[03:22] <krusbjorn> helio7: google is your friend ;) i just googled "ICEauthority" and that lpage was first hit ;)
[03:23] <StyXman> I have a game that depends on libXxf86vm.so.1, but there's only the .la file...
[03:23] <StyXman> I tried to compile xfree, but I discover that my knowledge does not allow me to modify the build process to build a .so version
[03:23] <StyXman> so, are there any other options?
[03:23] <krusbjorn> helio7: well, glad it worked out for you :)
[03:24] <StyXman> s/xfree/xorg/
[03:24] <ritalin> hello
[03:24] <krusbjorn> hola
[03:24] <ritalin> how do i access unstable .debs?
[03:24] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: thanks! Enabling "USB keyboard Support" in BIOS fixed my problem. I knew Ubuntu wasnt the culprit;)
[03:24] <helio7> there's always a slight emotional element for me when I can't load my WM that blocks clear thought unlike dealing with other less disabling issues...
[03:24] <StyXman> ritalin: s/whoary/unstable/ in the debline?
[03:25] <P2OG> is there a way to make it so that in Ubuntu all my windows have a tendency to lock on to each other, I love that feature in the current distro I have.
[03:25] <ritalin> StyXman, ty
[03:25] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, heh you hate when you first see it then once its all working you bless finding it ;)~
[03:25] <ritalin> alot of breakage occur?
[03:25] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: Alelluyah!
[03:26] <jalrnc> hello, is anyone experiencing problems with the ubuntu wiki? I'm not able to save pages after editing
[03:26] <erik> hey, I just switched over to breezy and upon reboot with a new kernel my keyboard has been acting funny (thinking I'm not letting go of modifier keys, etc).  Anyone else?
[03:26] <nickrud> StyXman, it's in libxxf86vm1
[03:26] <StyXman> nickrud: hmmm
[03:26] <StyXman> then I should not ask that here :-|
[03:26] <] BreliC[> anyone here using an iRiver iFP with ubuntu?
[03:26] <ritalin> I just want packages not a unstable system, should i just uncomment universe?
[03:26] <StyXman> sorry, I have debian
[03:27] <StyXman> tahnks anyway
[03:27] <nickrud> no, i mean apt-get install it
[03:27] <] BreliC[> i installed the ifp-line commandline proggy, but it keeps saying the device is busy...
[03:27] <kelbin> i've download this version of ubuntu - (ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 06-Apr-2005 22:31 587M) but i cant seem to select proxy for apt-get update during installation. i tried to search the forums but they were saying to download a array version 7 or something? my setup is stuck at the "Testing network repository" ... any ideas on which version or from where i should download ubuntu from?
[03:28] <Zryder> hello everyone. anyone ever use cedega?
[03:28] <nickrud> StyXman,  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1, no?
[03:28] <] BreliC[> Zryder, yup
[03:28] <Tuxicity> ritalin: universe will give you access to all of Debian in theory yes
[03:29] <Zryder> ] brelic[ i just installed ubuntu, and i am wondering how to run games and such, any words of wisdom?
[03:30] <torpid> what kinds of games?
[03:30] <torpid> you can choose tons of games in the apps menu.
[03:30] <] BreliC[> Zryder, well, i haven't run any games on ubuntu, so i can't comment on that.  what i can say is that with cedega under SuSE 9.2 when I was using it, I got Knights of the old Republic and Sims working... couldn't get SimCity 4 to work
[03:30] <torpid> how the hell could you play games like that in linux?
[03:30] <krusbjorn> torpid: they are talking about cedega :P
[03:30] <] BreliC[> torpid, with cedega
[03:31] <torpid> i'd love to have an iriver product though, loaded with vorbis music, and working in linux.
[03:31] <torpid> what is that?
[03:31] <] BreliC[> torpid, well, i can't get the iriver to work with linux thus far... and cedega, check it out at www.transgaming.com
[03:32] <krusbjorn> get an iriver HD unit and you are good to go ;)
[03:32] <PacoBCN> Just published a small HOWTO about streamtuner=>streamripper, just in case someone is interested-
[03:32] <Zryder> cool. I am attempting to get Matrix Online..
[03:32] <] BreliC[> krusbjorn, heh, well, don't want a HD unit
[03:32] <] BreliC[> guess i'll have to keep trying to make it work
[03:32] <GammaRay> hmm during my upgrade one of the curses menus mentioned xfree86.. that makes me nervous
[03:33] <chpts> Hi I'm about to install ubuntu and I have a few questions concerning my WinXP partition and grub
[03:33] <acrid> Zryder: I'm a recent convert from Debian so I can't really speak to Ubuntu, but Transgaming offers .debs that I bet would work fine.
[03:33] <krusbjorn> ] BreliC[: have you searched the misticriver forums? http://www.misticriver.net
[03:33] <Xappe> chpts: ask away :)
[03:33] <] BreliC[> krusbjorn, no, not yet... i've looked at the open iriver driver.... hang on, i'll check it out
[03:33] <tweek> i think i found a bug in hoary >.<
[03:33] <torpid> i can't imagine why you'd have any proble with your iriver in linux.
[03:33] <goldfish> chpts: ask away
[03:34] <chpts> I currently have a RH9 partition on /dev/hdb3, XP partition in /dev/hdb1, a boot partition in /hdb2 and swap in hdb5
[03:34] <torpid> it should be a generic usb mass storage device.
[03:34] <thr1ce> mmm...gnome <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:34] <chavo> Zryder, the transgaming debs work perfectly in ubuntu, just got done playing some half life 2.
[03:34] <chpts> So I need to manually configure the partitons to install ubuntu, right?
[03:35] <chpts> (consider the fact that I'm a total newbie)
[03:35] <krusbjorn> chpts: you can let the installer make them automatically if you wish
[03:35] <] BreliC[> torpid, because it doesn't mount as a mass storage device
[03:35] <Xappe> are you going to remove RH9?
[03:35] <chpts> but that would keep my winXP partition untouched?
[03:35] <netsharc> hello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML causing X to hang? whenever I try to use anything that needs KHTML, X hangs..
[03:35] <chpts> yes, I'm removing RH9
[03:35] <GUISlave> You don't need to manually configure partitions
[03:35] <torpid> cedega sounds unbelievable
[03:36] <krusbjorn> chpts: pi dunno, probably not. but there is a good guide how to do that...lemme try to find it
[03:36] <torpid> and you are using 2.6 kernel?
[03:36] <GUISlave> Just wipe the whole drive out for ubuntu.  :)
[03:36] <GammaRay> chpts: the installer has a nice interface for manually partitioning
[03:36] <Xappe> chpts: then you can tell the ubuntu install which partitions to use for ubuntu by setting their mountpoints
[03:36] <torpid> is it just me, or does the manifesto at openmoney.org sound like a bunch of hippie gibberish?
[03:36] <chpts> GammaRay: ok
[03:37] <Xappe> chpts: and yes, it'll leave your xp partition alone if you don't tell it to do otherwise
[03:37] <krusbjorn> chpts: you can also look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?threadid=16353
[03:37] <chpts> GammaRay: so basically what I have to do Is reformat hdb3, name it / make it bootable
[03:37] <chpts> ok
[03:37] <chpts> and what about grub?
[03:37] <irCat> Anyone familiar with cross networking problems with OS X?
[03:37] <Xappe> chpts: the partition manager in the ubuntu installation program is the best i've used ever
[03:38] <chpts> I believe grub is currently installed on my /boot partition
[03:38] <chillywilly> the shortcut key to switch workspaces doesn't seem to work anymore
[03:38] <nickrud> chpts, since you will only have ubuntu and xp, it'll make a working grub for you, no problem
[03:38] <chillywilly> ctrl-alt-left arrow
[03:38] <chillywilly> or SOME arrow
[03:38] <chpts> nickrud: do I have to install grub in the mbr?
[03:38] <chillywilly> {left,right,up,down} arrow
[03:39] <EmergeTW> what is the initial root password?
[03:39] <chillywilly> ctrl-alt-{left,right,up,down} arrow
[03:39] <irCat> Samba isn't working in either directions.
[03:39] <EmergeTW> from a default ubuntu install?
[03:39] <blahrus> EmergeTW: root is dissabled
[03:39] <Xeon3D> every key on my keyboard works as expected minus one... the single "" ...
[03:39] <Xeon3D> how can I fix it?
[03:39] <nickrud> chpts, it'll ask you if you want to, so just say yes :)
[03:39] <EmergeTW> blahrus: I tried to enable it and it said the sudo password was wrong
[03:39] <Xeon3D> the accents work right.. and any other key.
[03:39] <krusbjorn> EmergeTW: the sudo password is your user password...
[03:39] <chpts> ok
[03:40] <chpts> so basically I can now delete the /boot partition?
[03:40] <irCat> Anyone?
[03:40] <nickrud> chpts, you can use manual partitioner to tell ubuntu to use it if you want.
[03:40] <xtat> ha
[03:40] <tweek> ircat just periodically repeat your question till you're amswered
[03:41] <nickrud> same partition layout you use under redhat
[03:41] <] BreliC[> dammit.. gotta reboot in windows to update the iRiver firmware
[03:41] <chpts> nickrud: freespace?
[03:41] <] BreliC[> arrrgh
[03:41] <nickrud> chpts, how big is /boot
[03:41] <chpts> about 100 megs
[03:41] <timcapulet> error on install:: "serial8250: too much work for irq10" ???
[03:41] <irCat> Anyone familiar with cross networking problems with OS X?
[03:42] <timcapulet> any suggestions?
[03:42] <blahrus> try a sudo -s
[03:42] <nickrud> you're right, you don't really need it (my lilo instincts croping up again)\
[03:42] <blahrus> EmergeTW: try a sudo -s
[03:42] <chpts> nickrud: just to wrap it up: 1. format / as ext3, bootable, mount point in /
[03:43] <nickrud> yup
[03:43] <chpts> nickrud: 2. format /boot, ext3, bootable, mountpoint /?
[03:43] <CheeseBall> does anyone know how i can re-compile the ubuntu kernel
[03:43] <CheeseBall> i need to get soundblaster live support
[03:43] <nickrud> chpts, if you want to keep /boot, mount it at /boot
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> CheeseBall: it already has sblive supprot
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> x2 infact
[03:43] <chillywilly> a lot of keyboard shortcuts seem to be broken now
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> both alsa and oss
[03:44] <chillywilly> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:44] <CheeseBall> for some reason mine does not work
[03:44] <chpts> ok
[03:44] <CheeseBall> any ideas
[03:44] <chpts> nickrud: 3. leave ntfs untouched
[03:44] <acrid> speaking of alsa...how do I set up my sound card? Alsaconf seems to be missing
[03:44] <CheeseBall> i had on board running and then i disabled it in the bios
[03:44] <timcapulet> "serial8250: too much work for irq10" error on install
[03:44] <timcapulet> suggestions?
[03:44] <nickrud> chpts, no, put redhad there ;)
[03:44] <CheeseBall> now....no sound
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: sorry my dad needs xp
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: 4. install grub on the MBR?
[03:45] <Xappe> hmm, when I do a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart the mounted partitions appear on the desktop and on the places menu. howcome this does not happen during reboot?
[03:45] <acrid> timcapulet: serial-ATA?
[03:45] <nickrud> chpts, that will happen during the install, all it takes is an enter
[03:45] <tcwd> Hey guys... can anyone help me get my sound working?
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: 5. have fun?
[03:45] <timcapulet> acrid: nope, its a hp lapotl
[03:45] <timcapulet> *laptop
[03:46] <chpts> nickrud: ok, thanks a lot. I'm off to install ubuntu
[03:46] <tcwd> I'm quite a n00b at linux, in general... and I know it has the drivers... but it just... doensn't work =(
[03:46] <acrid> timcapulet: hmmm...wish I could help :^|
[03:46] <chpts> nickrud: you've been very helpful
[03:46] <nickrud> chpts, true. I heard the fastest install takes hitting the enter key 11 times :)
[03:46] <timcapulet> acrid: thanks anyway
[03:46] <nickrud> ahh, I hope lag helps me out there :)
[03:46] <tcwd> anyone?
[03:47] <chpts> nickrud: wow
[03:47] <holycow> tcwd, give it some time :)
[03:47] <holycow> someone will drop by who knows
[03:47] <tcwd> holycow, okay...
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: by the way, why do redhat insists on having a /boot partition?
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: as far as I can tell currently grub is installed on /boot
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: bad design?
[03:49] <nickrud> chpts, no, a lot of installs use different partitions for different parts of the filesystem
[03:49] <raydogg> using cryptsetup, i have setup my encrypted partition, how can I do the same and burn my data to an Encrypted cd/dvd so that when it is mounted, a passphrase is required...
[03:49] <acrid> chpts: I think it's a hold-over from the old days when the boot record had to be in the first 1024 cylinders of the hard drive
[03:49] <Xappe> chpts: the /boot partition is a good thing. if your / gets corrupted you still can reach your winXP if you have grub installed in /boot
[03:49] <holycow> tcwd, also keep in mind sound is a fairly difficult thing to track down easily over irc, be patient, google while you wait
[03:49] <nickrud> me points to Xappe
[03:50] <chpts> Xappe: ok, I will leave it untouched
[03:50] <nickrud> chpts, using more than one partition is all about protecting yourself from one thing or another.
[03:50] <chpts> nickrud: thanks
[03:51] <CrazyNorman> Hello
[03:52] <CrazyNorman> Stupid question, but how do I set key-bindings (in gnome) which launch applications other then those in the list under "Keyboard-Shortcuts"?
[03:52] <Xappe> chpts: if you do not use a separate /boot partition grub will be installed in /boot on /
[03:54] <krusbjorn> CrazyNorman: i'm not sure you can do that :P on the other hand, i dont know much, so wait until someone who does answers :P
[03:54] <GammaRay> CrazyNorman: try xbindkeys
[03:55] <GammaRay> not gnome related but it works under all of X
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> Thanks
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> I can't live without my key bindings
[03:55] <GammaRay> doh.. I missed the obvious one
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> What?
[03:56] <GammaRay> metacity can do that
[03:56] <chillywilly> woah, these fonts are now fugly
[03:56] <CrazyNorman> How do I get metacity to do that?
[03:56] <GammaRay> gconf-editor...
[03:56] <chillywilly> they make me want to poke my eyes out
[03:56] <GammaRay> I'm not sure under what part but it's there... there is a search now afterall
[03:57] <chillywilly> hmm, fontconfig package is broken
[03:57] <chillywilly> that might be why
[03:58] <chillywilly> goo god they are fugly
[03:58] <GammaRay> hmm I just did a dist-upgrade and then did apt-get remove <something> without rebooting and now tons of packages are being "setup". can this cause a problem?
[03:58] <Xappe> chillywilly: get us a screenshot :)
[03:59] <nickrud> chillywilly, they've already uploaded a fix, it just hasn't hit the mirrors yet.
[03:59] <Xappe> are you running breezy?
[03:59] <chillywilly> Xappe: I think I am too lazy :)
[03:59] <chillywilly> yes
[03:59] <chillywilly> just upgraded
[03:59] <Xappe> ok
[04:00] <Xappe> think i'll w8 a couple of month so things get somewhat stable before I go for it
[04:01] <Xappe> before christmas, hoary was quite a beast
[04:02] <Dethread> hoary is still a beast
[04:02] <Dethread> a beautiful beast :)
[04:02] <Xappe> well, back then it was a beast with bad manners
[04:03] <Xeon3D> ick
[04:03] <krusbjorn> g'night
[04:03] <Xeon3D> how can I make /dev/hda1 free to every user (mount/umount/write/etc...)
[04:04] <CrazyNorman> GammaRay: Got everything work beautifully, thanks for your help
[04:04] <thr1ce> breezy is better :)
[04:04] <Xappe> already?
[04:05] <thr1ce> lol
[04:05] <Xappe> ;)
[04:05] <thr1ce> i am...sure, why not
[04:06] <Xeon3D> how can I make /dev/hda1 free to every user (mount/umount/write/etc...)...?
[04:07] <thr1ce> umask it
[04:07] <Xappe> Xeon3D: try using user and umask
[04:07] <thr1ce> add umask=000 to /etc/fstab
[04:07] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: already did.. no good.
[04:08] <Atholas> Is totem broken in Hoary? I just installed a fresh copy of Ubuntu Hoary and totem just closes itself shortly after it is ran.
[04:08] <Daehlie> totem < vlc
[04:08] <thr1ce> Xeon3D, you have to remount it
[04:08] <Xappe> Daehlie: well, I get sound lag with vlc using esd output
[04:08] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: already did.
[04:09] <Xappe> so I went for totem-xine with the mplayer codecs instead
[04:09] <thr1ce> /dev/hdc1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    1       0
[04:09] <thr1ce> do something like that
[04:09] <Xeon3D> -   /dev/hda5       /setup          vfat    umask=000        0       0
[04:09] <Xeon3D> that's how mine is.
[04:09] <Daehlie> i have never had a problem with vlc
[04:10] <Xappe> Xeon3D: add rw and user
[04:10] <thr1ce> change it to rw,user,umask=000
[04:10] <Xeon3D> O_O
[04:10] <Xeon3D> ok
[04:11] <Atholas> I got this error from totem: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[04:11] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: no good.
[04:11] <thr1ce> Xeon3D, um...then your drive is bad or something; that should work fine
[04:12] <Xeon3D> now I can mount it, but cannot write to it :P
[04:12] <Xeon3D> (and the drive is good)
[04:12] <Atholas> Does it means that I don't have enough ram?
[04:13] <goldfish> vlc > *
[04:13] <Xappe> vlc has bad support for windows media files
[04:13] <goldfish> windows schmindows
[04:13] <Xappe> pfft
[04:13] <goldfish> :)
[04:14] <thr1ce> rw means read and write
[04:14] <thr1ce> you're sure it's a fat32 ?
[04:15] <GammaRay> Xappe: why would it have bad support if you installed win32-codecs?
[04:15] <Tuxicity> Hey, is it just me or is there some parts of ubuntuguide.org missing(blank)?
[04:15] <Xappe> GammaRay: does it use external codecs?
[04:16] <goldfish> Tuxicity: They probably are, maybe the articles are not written yet
[04:16] <Xappe> GammaRay: I thought the thing with vlc was that you shouldn't need any additional codecs
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: I think it does though it's been a while since I used it
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: that's silly.. I don'
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: that's silly.. I don't see why vlc should be any different
[04:16] <nickrud> Xeon3D, add noauto to to rw etc
[04:16] <helix_> does ubuntu comes with xfree86 and xorg as well
[04:17] <goldfish> helix_: hoary comes with xorg
[04:17] <goldfish> warty has xfree
[04:17] <Xappe> GammaRay: iirc, the windows version does not support all .wmv either
[04:17] <nickrud> /dev/hda1       /winc           vfat    rw,user,noauto,umask=000   0    0   worked for me just now.
[04:17] <helix_> for some odd reason i cant get my resolution to change
[04:17] <helix_> is there a tool to do it
[04:18] <goldfish> helix_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:18] <goldfish> will reconfigure it all for you
[04:18] <goldfish> you can change it in there
[04:18] <helix_> i tried that and still give me just one resolution
[04:18] <goldfish> oh
[04:18] <goldfish> might be a driver issue
[04:19] <hypno> ng0--
[04:19] <hypno> g dDFffffffffff
[04:19] <GammaRay> Xappe: vlc is supposed to be good at streaming.. maybe not needing codecs should be taken in that context. IE not needing the codec on the client
[04:19] <goldfish> Can xmms play .wma files?
[04:19] <Xappe> helix_: add your monitors horizontal and vertical refresh rates to the xorg.conf
[04:20] <Dethread> goldfish, I think you need a plugin
[04:20] <Xappe> GammaRay: maybe. i'm not saying it's a bad player (I use it myself) but I get sound lag with the esd output, so I just switched to totem-xine
[04:20] <goldfish> cool
[04:21] <GUISlave> too bad divx wasn't ported
[04:21] <holycow> Xappe, i spoke with the guys in the gnome channels and appearently esd is deprecated
[04:22] <mikeco> heh
[04:22] <holycow> appearently as it 'sucks' ... i'm paraphrasing :)
[04:22] <mikeco> hahaha
[04:22] <GammaRay> i get sound lag in anything I use esd in
[04:22] <mikeco> it's old
[04:22] <Dethread> I have no problems with esd
[04:22] <GammaRay> well esd may suck but where does that leave arts? (-;
[04:22] <mikeco> sucks too
[04:22] <acrid> why, it blows, of course
[04:23] <abarbaccia> hey, i am having troulbe getting gnome bluetooth to work properly - for some reason it can detect the phone but cannot transfer anything to it - any ideas what I'm missing
[04:23] <holycow> i don't know what server is being looked at as a replacement, the basic idea is to use gstreamer as the framework than any server you have available as a backend
[04:23] <holycow> jack seems to be getting some traction, not sure tho
[04:23] <Xeon3D> I'm going nuts
[04:23] <Xappe> too bad that the experiment with polypaudio in Hoary did not work out
[04:23] <Xeon3D> I can mount the mountpoint and umount it as normal user.. but I can't write anything to it using a normal user.
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: if you are using the phone manager at the same time
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> it won't work
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> because you can only have one bt connection at a time
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> because bt is a horrendous pile of crap :/
[04:24] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, well, i am not using phone manager - i only want to transfer an mp3
[04:24] <Xappe> guess one should invest in a sound card capable of hardware mixing
[04:24] <GUISlave> Bob, you must be in the UK.  :)
[04:24] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, it detects my phone in the bluetooth manager - and from what i understand you just drag and drop correct?
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> GUISlave: no, I'm in AU
[04:25] <GUISlave> ah
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: iirc that should work
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> you can also do it on the command line
[04:27] <Xappe> oh hell, it's 04.30 am
[04:27] <Xappe> goodnight
[04:27] <Tuxicity> Xappe: night
[04:27] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, i dont think that's the right package
[04:28] <holycow> Xappe has quit ("how nice, a nazi pope")  <-- rofl
[04:29] <mikeco> heh
[04:29] <mikeco> just another pedo
[04:29] <holycow> lol
[04:29] <GUISlave> I'm sure the Germans appreciate that
[04:30] <propagandhi> what is different about mepis that it detects and sets up my PCI winmodem perfectly??
[04:30] <GUISlave> I'm telling Dennis Knopper on you
[04:30] <propagandhi> in ubuntu it doesnt work
[04:30] <mikeco> i'm sure the sephardic and ashkenazi do as well
[04:31] <GUISlave> I'm sure Abe Foxman would concur
[04:31] <bzbb> how do you reconfigure a package?
[04:31] <holycow> dpkg-reconfigure package
[04:31] <mikeco> what are we concurring about
[04:31] <mikeco> that's he's nazi or a pedo?
[04:31] <mikeco> or both
[04:32] <holycow> nuffin i think we should just get off the topic
[04:32] <holycow> hehe i'm sorry i just thought it was funny
[04:32] <holycow> didn't mean to start anyfin
[04:32] <mikeco> heh
[04:32] <Edgan> Is there a synaptics/updates applet for Gnome in Ubuntu?
[04:32] <mikeco> all is fair in love and war
[04:32] <GUISlave> History isn't black and white all the time
[04:33] <mikeco> no, it's often red
[04:33] <GUISlave> Purple actually
[04:34] <GUISlave> :)
[04:34] <mikeco> fuscia?
[04:34] <GUISlave> mmmm.  Yes, that is a lovely color
[04:34] <GUISlave> Maybe with some pretty white paisley too
[04:34] <mikeco> buahaha
[04:34] <nickrud> Egan, it's called update-notifier, it should be running
[04:36] <AgentQ> any suggestions on which player for real media files?
[04:37] <GUISlave> Ohhh boy.  57 percent on the Rise of Nations patch.  Another 20 minutes to go or so.
[04:37] <GUISlave> I love dial up
[04:39] <Xenguy> AgentQ: AFAIK, xine with the w32codecs works
[04:39] <abarbaccia> hey all - i want to downgrade a package, any idea how to do it?
[04:41] <davy> Hi, is mozilla-mail not packaged for ubuntu?
[04:41] <davy> I'm trying to make the switch, but am really fond/used-to mozilla-mail
[04:41] <abarbaccia> mozilla-mail?  you mean mozilla-thunderbird
[04:41] <bet0x> mozilla-thunderbird
[04:42] <davy> is thunderbird the mail part of mozilla?
[04:42] <abarbaccia> davy, yes
[04:42] <davy> ah, sorry.. didn't know that.. thanx
[04:42] <abarbaccia> can someone help me out with downgrading a package - apparently the hoary bluetooth packages are broken but the warty ones work - how would i go about this?
[04:43] <abarbaccia> davy, that's why we're here
[04:43] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox
[04:43] <flodine> holla back
[04:43] <flodine> wow no fluxbox folks
[04:44] <davy> :).. well let me say, I'm very pleased so far.. my Dell D810 (laptop) is working well.. even suspend! (I couldn't ever get that to work with mdk).. now for wireless .. on mdk I always had to manually install ndiswrapper.. any starting point here?
[04:44] <flodine> well blow me down
[04:44] <flodine> thats a lie
[04:44] <flodine> all runnng gnome
[04:44] <flodine> or kde
[04:44] <abarbaccia> davy, ndiswrapper works nicely if your wireless was not detected - its very easy to set up - i am on a dell 700m
[04:44] <flodine> wow
[04:45] <abarbaccia> gnome - ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde
[04:45] <flodine> so
[04:45] <flodine> so
[04:45] <davy> being new to this distro (coming from mdk) where do I configure networking?
[04:45] <davy> yes, I'm actually on kubuntu
[04:45] <davy> klaptop worked well
[04:45] <abarbaccia> hurm - i dont know in kde - check the control center though
[04:46] <davy> k
[04:47] <GammaRay> davy: /usr/bin/network-admin ?
[04:47] <davy> wel... installed thunderbird.. not exactly what I'm used to, but it should work.. I was actually refering to whatever package gives you the mail client button in the bottom left of moz
[04:47] <GammaRay> that should be generic enough
[04:47] <pantz> anyone know how to permanently set umask to 0002?
[04:47] <abarbaccia> edit the fstab
[04:47] <mmuzzy> davy:k/system/networking from the gui (same as GammyRay said though)
[04:48] <] BreliC[> finally got the iRiver to work with ubuntu
[04:48] <abarbaccia> how would i go about downgrading to a package included in warty from hoary?
[04:48] <davy> mmuzzy, there's no start -> system -> networking
[04:49] <GammaRay> pantz: /etc/profile
[04:49] <davy> missing pkg?
[04:49] <blahcubed> anybody have experience setting up netatalk?
[04:49] <GammaRay> pantz: or ~/.bash_profile
[04:50] <pantz> tx
[04:50] <mmuzzy> davy? sorry, i'm in kubuntu and I've got that... must be an ubunu entry, nothing 'networking'ish?
[04:50] <nickrud> davy, I think you're looking for mozilla-mailnews
[04:50] <davy> no, I'm in kubuntu too (5.04)
[04:50] <davy> but I'm looking
[04:51] <davy> nickrud, that would be great, but I don't see it in kynaptic's list
[04:51] <GammaRay> well then install gnome-system-tools.. I can't see why it would not work under kde
[04:51] <davy> yeah should
[04:52] <mmuzzy> davy: I agree with GammaRay
[04:52] <inc> sup channel
[04:52] <nickrud> davy, you need to turn on the universe repository
[04:52] <GammaRay> whoohoo even the kernel nfs server is still working after the upgrade
[04:52] <GammaRay> nice
[04:52] <nickrud> then it will show in kynaptic
[04:53] <davy> ok lemme try that
[04:53] <davy> nuckrud, uh, sry, where do I do that
[04:53] <discord> anyone know if its allright to use resier fs for / for hoary install?
[04:54] <nickrud> davy, I synaptic not kynaptic, but there will be something under settings about sources.list or repositories
[04:54] <inc> fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[04:54] <inc> crap
[04:54] <inc> lol
[04:54] <inc> anyone use gmailfs?
[04:55] <abarbaccia> inc, it doesnt work apparently
[04:55] <mmuzzy> kynaptic was so dumbed down I couldn't take it... still using synaptic under kubuntu.
[04:56] <inc> oh yeah? that sux
[04:56] <nickrud> yeah, I hadn't looked at synaptic for a while, and it's pretty good now. I don't really miss aptitude
[04:56] <inc> i try mounting and get old style mounting not supported
[04:57] <davy> wow.. synaptic is MUCH better
[04:57] <davy> (had to install)
[04:57] <abarbaccia> inc, yea, for some reason it doesn't work - i think its with the new python or fuse libs - they are fixing it soon hopefully - a bug report has already been submitted
[04:57] <inc> synaptic is pretty cool.. i still like apt-get
[04:57] <abarbaccia> synaptic IS apt-get
[04:58] <inc> i know this
[04:58] <scott> I installed the package xfont-artwiz but they don't show up in the list of fonts. anyone have an idea what I have to do to load them?
[04:58] <mmuzzy> davy: yeah, not sure what they were going for in kynaptic, it was an exercise in frustration for me ;)
[04:58] <nickrud> abarbaccia, no, they just both use libapt
[04:58] <abarbaccia> same shit
[04:58] <inc> lol
[04:58] <abarbaccia> lol
[04:58] <flodine> lol
[04:58] <abarbaccia> no mods = i can curse :)
[04:58] <flodine> i love ubuntuuuuuuu
[04:59] <inc> must keep the gui at a minimum
[04:59] <abarbaccia> woah - someone needs to chill that guy out
[04:59] <pantz> scott, fc-cache
[04:59] <inc> abarbaccia, i went through all the whoops for this gmailfs and it's got bugs..argh
[05:00] <flodine> what is the default sound for ubuntu
[05:00] <abarbaccia> inc, you can join the club - i just went down that road
[05:00] <scott> pantz: that doesn't do the trick
[05:01] <inc> well nice to know there is a dpgk for it though
[05:01] <scott> pantz, these are .pcf.gz files, is that alright?
[05:01] <scott> inc, yeah, gmailfs doesn't work
[05:01] <davy> yay! there's good-ole mozilla-mail
[05:01] <inc> scott, so i come to find out
[05:02] <scott> it works though in debian
[05:02] <inc> works on my windwos box though
[05:02] <scott> so maybe you could just install the deb out of unstable
[05:02] <abarbaccia> guys!  how the hell do i downgrade a package - i just switched from an RPM based distro and i dont know how to go about it - someone help me out here
[05:02] <scott> and update the python package that's old
[05:02] <scott> abarbaccia: apt-get install packagename
[05:02] <abarbaccia> scott, i'm trying to downgrade a package
[05:03] <scott> oh, sorry, misread :)
[05:03] <abarbaccia> like the bluetooth from hoary doesnt work right, so im going to try using warty
[05:03] <inc> well i got the deb from debian and it installed python and stuff
[05:03] <inc> ohary been good so far... had to upgrade the kernel to get it run my wifi card
[05:03] <abarbaccia> inc, does it work after that upgrade? and did you get the unstable pkg?
[05:04] <abarbaccia> oh, i have no problems with hoary, just that the bluetooth doesn't work
[05:04] <inc> abarbaccia, does what work?
[05:04] <abarbaccia> gmailfs after you upgraded python
[05:04] <inc> nope
[05:05] <dsas> ababaccia: I believe you need to do something with apt-pinning, I'd check around before going on a huge wild goose chase though :)
[05:05] <nickrud> abarbaccia, you can use apt-get, but you have to specify the version you want
[05:05] <inc> well i'm off to my new task.. getting sound in flash
[05:06] <scott> anyone know how add a keyshortcut in gnome to run a command? (totem --next)
[05:06] <abarbaccia> nickrud, what if i dont know the version number?
[05:06] <mmuzzy> abarbaccia: well, using kubuntu. but i used bluetooth to send a file to my ipaq tonight. bluetooth seems easier with kde tools.
[05:07] <abarbaccia> yea, that's the rumor - but i'm a gnome guy, so i
[05:07] <abarbaccia> m off on this route
[05:07] <mmuzzy> not that i'm a gui person, but it does make life easier sometimes not to deal with /etc/bluetooth type stuff. ;)
[05:08] <davy> ok, I installed gnome system tools..  I have system -> networking now, I don't see my wireless card in there, does that mean it didn't find it?
[05:08] <davy> or is there a detection step I need to do?
[05:08] <mmuzzy> abarbaccia: i'm not one for holy wars stuff... just playing with kubuntu, i usually run gnome myself.
[05:08] <KillerSmurf> sorry to ask but I'm new... I've just started using linux(mepis flavored) and am wondering what is the difference between mepis and ubantu?
[05:08] <abarbaccia> davy,  you probably need to use ndiswrapper
[05:09] <nickrud> you can find what'ts avaiable at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[05:09] <davy> ok then, I've done that plenty of times before
[05:09] <abarbaccia> davy, search on google for your nic card or laptop and see what you get
[05:09] <abarbaccia> alright then, go for it
[05:09] <davy> k
[05:11] <KillerSmurf> anyone?
[05:11] <abarbaccia> nickrud, that is only the current packages, i need to downgrade...
[05:11] <JanC> KillerSmurf : mepis is KDE by default, Ubuntu is GNOME
[05:12] <abarbaccia> KillerSmurf, it's a different distro - different management tools, different included software, packages, how its setup - don't know specifics - check out www.distrowatch.com to find out more about distros
[05:13] <KillerSmurf> cool... Like I said I'm new to linux....  I have no Idea about gnome ... or KDE either...
[05:13] <nickrud> abarbaccia, the warty ones are there too, I think. I miss archive.debian.org :)
[05:13] <abarbaccia> i hear ya on that
[05:13] <JanC> KDE & GNOME are different desktop environments
[05:13] <KillerSmurf> yes the GUI
[05:14] <borgista> A quick question: How well does let's say Linksys WiFi stuff work in Hoary? Anyone have any experiences to share? PM me please.
[05:14] <KillerSmurf> but I'm just woundering if there bis something like synaptic on ubantu
[05:14] <JanC> yes
[05:14] <JanC> synaptic + an automatic update checker
[05:14] <dcraven> borgista, I think the Linksys wifis will work with ndiswrapper. Check ndiswrapper.sf.net to be sure.
[05:15] <nickrud> If i hadn't put this on a small partition, I'd tell apt to not delete old packages :)
[05:15] <borgista> thank you dcraven
[05:15] <dcraven> borgista, np.
[05:15] <KillerSmurf> cool Jan... the install cd is coming down...
[05:15] <dcraven> Is Mepis Debian based as well?
[05:15] <borgista> yes dcraven
[05:15] <KillerSmurf> yes dc
[05:16] <holycow> dc, most distros are :)
[05:16] <Quest-Master> How do I get to my floppy disk?
[05:16] <borgista> holycow: they are?
[05:16] <KillerSmurf> I was told most of the good distro's are mepis based.  Is this true?
[05:16] <holycow> all the knoppix, gnoppix ... etc
[05:16] <borgista> i always thought otherwise.
[05:16] <KillerSmurf> debian
[05:16] <holycow> linspire, xandros
[05:16] <dcraven> Quest-Master, do you have a /media/floppy or something like that?
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[05:16] <holycow> etc.
[05:17] <KillerSmurf> not mepis
[05:17] <abarbaccia> fthis - i'm going into windows to use bluetooth - god dammit - i was on a 6month absense
[05:17] <GUISlave> linspire should be linux.
[05:17] <dcraven> Quest-Master, if you do, then you can mount that.
[05:17] <GUISlave> shouldn't*
[05:17] <holycow> mepis is debian based KillerSmurf
[05:17] <borgista> Linspire has it's place. But this isn't the place for flaming.
[05:17] <GUISlave> Sure it is.
[05:17] <Quest-Master> dcraven: It doesn't automagically mount? Project Utopia?
[05:17] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, that's a matter of opinion. You are asking a biased crowd.
[05:17] <GUISlave> Linspire has it's place...in the trash bin.
[05:18] <GUISlave> :)
[05:18] <JanC> Quest-Master : only if you floppy drive supports it (which most don't
[05:18] <dcraven> Quest-Master, I dunno. No floppy here. Project No Floppy. ;P
[05:18] <pantz> scott, sorry i don't know about those types of files - i would trying gunzipping them though to see if that helps
[05:18] <JanC> the floppy drive doesn't tell the OS there is a new floppy
[05:18] <pantz> scott, maybe they aren't seen coz they are in a .gz archive
[05:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone know how to mount it then?
[05:18] <holycow> places, computer
[05:18] <holycow> right click on floppy, mount
[05:19] <nickrud> http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence is pretty interesting, who's bases on who
[05:19] <KillerSmurf> thanks dcraven ;>
[05:19] <EmergeTW> has anyone setup a video capture card in Ubuntu?
[05:19] <JanC> Quest-Master : there is a panel applet which is very handy for this
[05:19] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, I think Debian is certainly a strong general choice.
[05:20] <holycow> btw, that list is wrong
[05:20] <holycow> knoppix belongs in the debian column
[05:20] <holycow> all of that is debian based
[05:20] <KillerSmurf> for a noob like me???? <dccraven>
[05:20] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, especially for a 'noob' like you :)
[05:20] <KillerSmurf> lol
[05:21] <KillerSmurf> what is the main diffence between KDE and Gnome>
[05:21] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, I have no doubt that you'll like Ubuntu very much.
[05:21] <nickrud> well, they also split out mandrake from redhat. I guess there's a reason.
[05:21] <JanC> KillerSmurf : taste & distaste
[05:21] <borgista> I agree with JanC
[05:21] <JanC> both say the other is the distaste
[05:21] <KillerSmurf> distaste?
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> lol
[05:22] <holycow> also morphix is debian based
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> rofl
[05:22] <holycow> that belongs in the debian column
[05:22] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, they are different in alot of ways. You should probably Google for that. You'll have years worth of debates to read up on... hehe
[05:22] <holycow> so about 3/4rs are debian based according to that list
[05:22] <nicedreams> How do you enable swat in Ubuntu?  I installed it and I'm trying to access it from my other machine next to it.
[05:22] <holycow> nicedreams, you can't
[05:22] <holycow> swap is non accessible to user
[05:22] <RibbitFrog> greetings friends
[05:22] <JanC> knoppix is no more debian based than mandrake is redhat based  :)
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> k my install cd is doen.... is there an irc client installed by default?
[05:23] <nicedreams> holycow: what do you mean?
[05:23] <SkyNet> yes KillerSmurf
[05:23] <KillerSmurf> great... see you all after the install
[05:23] <JanC> KillerSmurf : there are at least 2 : XChat & irssi
[05:24] <JanC> (and maybe gaim can do IRC too?)
[05:24] <KillerSmurf> bbl
[05:24] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, good luck.
[05:24] <nicedreams> How do you enable swat in Ubuntu?  I installed it and I'm trying to access it from my other machine next to it.
[05:25] <dcraven> I think he's ignoring you holycow.
[05:25] <holycow> no i'm googling
[05:26] <holycow> nicedreams, you keep on saying swat, you mean swap right?
[05:26] <dcraven> ahhh
[05:26] <nicedreams> SWAT
[05:26] <nicedreams> samba swat
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> swat for configuring smb from browser
[05:26] <holycow> oh samba thing!
[05:26] <holycow> ah!
[05:26] <nicedreams> port 901 is setup, but I can't access it
[05:26] <holycow> haha
[05:26] <dcraven> heh
[05:26] <holycow> sorry :)
[05:26] <nicedreams> lol
[05:26] <nicedreams> np
[05:26] <holycow> i thought you were asking some silly question about accessing your swap partition
[05:27] <holycow> anywhoo ....
[05:27] <holycow> :)
[05:27] <nicedreams> np
[05:27] <dcraven> That's where all my mp3s are.
[05:27] <nicedreams> any idea's though?
[05:27] <holycow> are you typing in https://ipaddress:1000?
[05:27] <nicedreams> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:901
[05:27] <dcraven> nicedreams, no samba here.. Not much help  :(
[05:27] <nicedreams> https doesn't work either
[05:27] <holycow> oh swat is separate
[05:28] <nicedreams> I can make it work in debian but not ubuntu
[05:28] <nicedreams> :(
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, permissons
[05:28] <nicedreams> permissons to what?
[05:28] <nicedreams> I can use webmin from my other machine, but not swat
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> does swat work on the system you have it on?
[05:29] <nicedreams> dunno...i don't have x installed on it
[05:29] <nicedreams> it's a vpn/file server
[05:29] <mitch_> how can i get sound to work with my avi's? i downloaded all the w32 and gstreamer codecs
[05:29] <nicedreams> and I want swat for the customer
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> well, you could try lynx
[05:29] <nicedreams> lol
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:29] <nicedreams> i'll try to see if it work locally
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:29] <holycow> it sounds maybe like you haveto modify iptables?
[05:30] <holycow> i havent looked into iptables on ubuntu and what rules are setup
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu does not have a firewall by default
[05:30] <holycow> i thought iptables were configged?
[05:30] <holycow> k
[05:30] <nicedreams> I get connection refussed using links from the machine running it also
[05:30] <nicedreams> arg
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, it is permissions
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> had same issue on suse
[05:31] <nicedreams> nomasteryoda: what permissions should I check?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> sec.....
[05:32] <mitch_> how can i get sound to work with my avi's? i downloaded all the w32 and gstreamer codecs
[05:34] <QMario> Is everyone asleep?
[05:34] <dcraven> nicedreams, I'm seeing that Swat assumes root priveleges, so to make it work you need to enable the root account (sudo passwd root) and give it a root password.
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> no,... googling
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, that was from the forum... So I dunno.
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> you can add the user you are using
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> that should work
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> looking
[05:35] <nicedreams> I have root enabled....I hate sudu
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, I honestly don't even know what Swat is.
[05:35] <nicedreams> dcraven: swat is a web based gui for samba
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> www.samba.org
[05:35] <QMario> Can anyone one of you give me the names of the users in #PERL?
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, Ahh.. I see.
[05:35] <nicedreams> i'm on samba.org, but they don't make swat.  I can make it work in debian just fine, but I can't in ubuntu
[05:35] <grumpysmurf> why hate something that forces you to practice good behaviour
[05:36] <nicedreams> I don't know why, but I've followed all the how to's
[05:36] <dcraven> QMario, /who #perl?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, let me check my other machine's history
[05:37] <GammaRay> the mouse pointer flickers when I scroll? can that be stopped?
[05:37] <dcraven> grumpysmurf, maybe it's the word "forces" that he doesn't like?
[05:37] <nicedreams> thx nomasteryoda
[05:37] <QMario> dcraven, where do I type in the command?
[05:37] <dcraven> QMario, same place you just typed that.
[05:37] <dcraven> QMario, they ban you? heh
[05:38] <QMario> Yes
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, smbpasswd -a root
[05:38] <dcraven> Bad QMario.
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> as root
[05:38] <_SMP_> does the gweather applet work for anyone under hoary? mine seems to be broken
[05:38] <QMario> It said no such command.
[05:38] <GammaRay> how would I change to a more plain mouse pointer?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> maybe that will help
[05:38] <QMario> All I did was just stand up for Jesus.
[05:38] <dcraven> QMario, no such command as /who?
[05:38] <QMario> There's no reason to ban anyone from that. :(
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, hoary?
[05:38] <QMario> Yes, no such command.
[05:38] <_SMP_> doesn't seem to recognize my location, I just get DEFAULT_LOCATION
[05:39] <nicedreams> nomasteryoda: still says connection refused to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:901
[05:39] <dcraven> QMario, I'm not sure standing up for Jesus is a relevent topic in that channel.
[05:39] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:39] <QMario> Well, it was the right thing to do. :)
[05:39] <QMario> who
[05:39] <dcraven> QMario, I think some folks don't think much of Jesus, so as you well know, you should be careful :)
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, under System/Preferences/Cursor selection
[05:40] <QMario> It was well worth it though.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> getting banned? ok
[05:40] <QMario> Jesus said that those who are persecuted for his sake will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. :-D
[05:41] <dcraven> QMario, okay okay...
[05:41] <QMario> Still, the "/who" command does not work.
[05:42] <dcraven> QMario, interesting. Maybe the server you're on is broke.
[05:42] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: I've found that but I all I see are variations on the default
[05:42] <QMario> Can you type in /who for me?
[05:43] <dcraven> QMario, I'll not assist in your religious intervention of the #perl moderators.
[05:43] <davy> well, I got ndiswrapper installed and working.. I see wlan0 in 'ifconfig -a'  it also shows up in system->network and KDE's control center, but it will not find a DHCP address.. mynetwork is wide open and I'm on my other laptop here and it's on fine
[05:43] <QMario> What do you mean?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, did you add the other sources like universe
[05:44] <dcraven> QMario, you got banned for a reason. Harassing the mods will not help your cause.
[05:44] <QMario> Well, at least I was able to print over the network from Windows to Linux. :-D
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> davy, did you select it in the box at the bottm... gateway?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> hoary that is
[05:44] <dcraven> davy, what chipset?
[05:44] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: yea I have that
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> let me look to
[05:45] <davy> broadcom BCM94306.. same as this laptop
[05:45] <davy> (D800 and trying to set up D810)
[05:45] <QMario> Bye everyone. :)
[05:45] <nicedreams> i think i found my swat problem
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, did you see the Artwiz
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> host issue?
[05:45] <dcraven> davy, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=broadcom+sed
[05:46] <nicedreams> there is a second file that has swat disabled, but I guess only ubuntu has
[05:46] <davy> ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0  just shows it time out trying to do severl DHCP requests
[05:46] <davy> k, reading
[05:46] <GammaRay> I see artwiz-cursor - Artwiz futuristic mouse cursor for X
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, is that installed?
[05:46] <dcraven> davy, I think the "for" loop in step 3 might be of interest.
[05:47] <davy> k
[05:47] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: nope
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> that is the one I'm using
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> pretty good, but not like kde
[05:48] <dcraven> davy, otherwise, this is what I did (same chip) --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> maybe some more are out there... it does have an opton to install
[05:48] <GammaRay> but where is the plain old mouse pointer I'm used to?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:49] <GammaRay> the simple black w/ a white border
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> er, i guess the boss didn't like it /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> ik
[05:49] <GammaRay> the real problem is this fancy new theme flickers when I drag a scroll bar
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:50] <dcraven> What mouse cursor does Hoary use by default?
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> a white one
[05:50] <dcraven> The jimmac one?
[05:51] <dcraven> (ie. rotating circle instead of hourglass?)
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> i circle, yes
[05:51] <dcraven> Cool. That's a beaut.
[05:51] <_SMP_> I have a silly question: I'm tracking hoary. Since the release, I have not had to download a single updated package when running apt-get upgrade. That is normal, right?
[05:52] <dcraven> _SMP_, sure. It's stable now.
[05:52] <_SMP_> cheers
[05:52] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[05:52] <dcraven> Hey kkathman
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> my system told me I had one or 2 packages that needed updating
[05:52] <kkathman> hey there dcraven how goes it tonight (or whatever time it is where you are)
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> hoary
[05:53] <dcraven> kkathman, not bad. It has slowed a bit it seems.
[05:53] <kkathman> dcraven yes I noticed that over in #kubuntu also :)
[05:53] <bob2> nomasteryoda: there are of course security updates as needed
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:54] <dcraven> kkathman, I suppose it's a good thing :)
[05:54] <kkathman> dcraven well you'd think maybe it is...you dabbled with breezy yet at all?
[05:55] <dcraven> kkathman, I'm using it on this machine.
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> hey, I decided to even check out if i could enable dual-head monitors on this laptop... crt out and xinerama work
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> dual booting Dell D505 hoary/suse9.2
[05:56] <nicedreams> how can I view all files in my /etc for a certian word?  I tried 'cat * |grep 901' but it doesn't work right
[05:56] <bzbb> I broke JuK
[05:56] <bob2> nicedreams: grep -r blah /etc/
[05:56] <dcraven> nicedreams, grep -R word /etc
[05:56] <kkathman> dcraven so how are you finding the initial stuff with breezy...can you tell any differences?
[05:56] <nicedreams> thx
[05:57] <dcraven> kkathman, no big noticable differences just yet. I don't recommend it though for a bit unless you know how to fix things that break.
[05:57] <kkathman> dcraven sure that makes sense, and since its pretty new, I'd expect there wouldnt be too many changes yet
[05:57] <bzbb> I changed the outpu in juk to gstreamer and it crashed, now I get a sig 6 everytime I launch it
[05:58] <kkathman> dcraven I talked to someone yesterday that says he's got a cron job running every half hour and getting 50-75 updates per
[05:58] <dcraven> kkathman, there have been changes, just nothing "noticable" for your average user I don't think.
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> sounds like he's using cvs
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:59] <kkathman> dcraven gotcha..I just completed by first large compile today...I downloaded and compiled gimpshop
[05:59] <kkathman> that was a nice little exercise :)
[05:59] <dcraven> Isn't there some type of nettiquette infraction in doing updates every 1/2 hour?
[06:00] <dcraven> kkathman, was it difficult to compile?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, if you average out all the ms updates, they come to about that many....
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:00] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: ok artwitz is working for another user but it does not show up in gcursor for either user
[06:00] <kkathman> dcraven well, not really...yanno...you have to chase down a couple of dozen dependencies, but not difficult..i got mine to compile the first time
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> that is odd
[06:00] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, that is no reason to hammer the Ubuntu servers.
[06:01] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: is there a manual way to change? gconf key?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, lol
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> er, i would think so
[06:01] <GammaRay> oh and artwiz does not flicker
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> most things are in linux
[06:01] <dcraven> GammaRay, is gconf-editor manual?
[06:01] <GammaRay> dcraven: sure if you will tell me which key
[06:02] <dcraven> GammaRay, I don't know what you are talking about.
[06:02] <kakalto> wow
[06:02] <kakalto> wine is easy
[06:02] <kkathman> dcraven if you are interested, I will forward you a list of the dependencies, so you dont have to chase them down...but I cant do that till like Sunday when I get back in town :)
[06:02] <kakalto> it makes me woozy just thinking about it :P
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, maybe it's a bug... mine is that way too... cursors that is
[06:02] <dcraven> kkathman, no thanks. I'm happy with Gimp.
[06:02] <mjc> anyone get mythtv running on ubuntu?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> it is referencing the ./icons folder
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> er, ~/.icons
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> which is empty on my user
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> but in my other one
[06:03] <mjc> curious is all
[06:03] <kkathman> dcraven okie dokie ... I am miuch happier with gimp with the new stuff..since I came from Photoshop
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, did you see the toilet paper template in Gimp?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> for real
[06:04] <kkathman> nope havent seen that :)
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> file,new, from template, there it is.. lol
[06:04] <kkathman> I'll check that out :)
[06:04] <yoink23> excuse me, does anyone know how to keep my monitor from turning off after a lot of inactivity?
[06:04] <kkathman> Ive been able now to divorce myself about 95% from my windows box
[06:05] <yoink23> bc i can't get it to turn back on after that
[06:05] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, haha.. That's funny.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, congratulations/
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> me too
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> those Wilbur and Sons are too funny
[06:06] <kkathman> I still have to use it for some productivity things that I use in my web business, such as Flash for instance
[06:06] <yoink23> just a test....does anyone hear me? you dont have to answer my question, just aknowledge me
[06:06] <dcraven> yoink23, Screensaver under preferences.
[06:06] <kkathman> I see ya yoink23
[06:06] <yoink23> k, thanks
[06:06] <dcraven> yoink23, advanced tab.
[06:06] <yoink23> the grey in xchat made me think i wasnt being seen
[06:06] <yoink23> k, thanks dcraven
[06:07] <dcraven> yoink23, anytime.
[06:07] <kkathman> dcraven I could never get screen savers to come on
[06:07] <GammaRay> ok it seem /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/cursor_theme
[06:07] <GammaRay> is the key
[06:07] <kkathman> dcraven I set it up to activate after 30 minutes, but it always goes blank instead
[06:07] <GammaRay> literally
[06:07] <kakalto> is there a way of giving wine some decent themes?
[06:08] <dcraven> kkathman, check your "Mode" in the Screensaver window.
[06:08] <dcraven> kakalto, wine theme?
[06:08] <kakalto> like, in win programs
[06:09] <kkathman> dcraven Wine is funny....I couldnt get the msi to work at all
[06:09] <dcraven> kkathman, what is msi?
[06:09] <kkathman> kakalto, to my knowledge there isnt a theme for wine
[06:09] <MyNameIsChris> dcraven, Microsoft Installer Thingy
[06:09] <kkathman> dcraven msi is the microsoft installer, used by many disks to install their program
[06:10] <kakalto> kkathman, I wouldn't be surprised
[06:10] <dcraven> kkathman, is that new with Windows XP or something? I don't remember msi.
[06:10] <kakalto> msi is quite new.
[06:10] <kakalto> it might be XP
[06:11] <yoink23> dcraven, my power management stuff is greyed out, is that what you were talking about?
[06:11] <dcraven> Yet another patented format no doubt...
[06:11] <yoink23> the problem isnt that it turns off, btw, its that it doesnt turn back on
[06:12] <pr3vi0uz> is  there diffrents  between live cd and installed  cause i have no sound
[06:12] <dcraven> yoink23, yeah that's what I meant. Try disabling the screen saver in the other tab.
[06:13] <dcraven> yoink23, next time (if it happens again) have a look at the Xorg log file to see if there is an issue in there.
[06:13] <yoink23> dcraven, still gray
[06:13] <yoink23> k, well it happens every time i leave the computer for an extended time
[06:13] <yoink23> where is that log?
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> yoink23, /var/log/X11
[06:14] <dcraven> yoink23, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> Whatever
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> I was close
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> Oh, it is etc that has the X11 directory
[06:15] <dcraven> yoink23, if you disable the screensaver, the power management will still be greyed out, but your machine might not freeze after an hour of idle either.
[06:15] <stevenj> anyone know if Hoary will upgrade to Openoffice 2 with having to remove OO 1.1 and removing the ubuntu desktop?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> I installed it today
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> using apt...
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> looks like it did
[06:16] <dcraven> stevenj, I doubt it. You can remove that stuff without much difficulty though.
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> stevenj, oops
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> 1.1.x is still there too
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> right beside it
[06:17] <k-otik> does ubuntu have the ability to create a boot disk?
[06:17] <stevenj> dcraven, looks as though when I tell it to remove games or OO 1.1 it wants to uninstall ubuntu desktop-I read updates will not work without ubuntu desktop
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ah, what a nice dependancy
[06:17] <davy> oh great, now  every time I go into admin mode in kde's control center .. I enter my password and a few seconds later it acts like whatever it was spawning died
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> isn't kde great...
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:18] <dcraven> steved, well I'm not an expert, but I don't think you'll have a huge difficulty with updates without ubuntu-desktop. For example, I uninstalled that package long ago.
[06:18] <k-otik> how do i make a boot disk?
[06:18] <pr3vi0uz> music player cant play stream audio?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> pr3vi0uz, did you try mp3s?
[06:19] <kkathman> kaffeine plays streaming audio tho
[06:19] <pr3vi0uz> nope idont have any  would it play on ice cast?
[06:20] <ciocanel> k-otik, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RescueDiskHowto
[06:21] <stevenj> oops maybe I'm wrong....looking closer I think it just game data that uses ubuntu desktop...has anyone uninstalled OO 1.1?
[06:21] <nickrud> pr3vi0uz, I click in shoutcast.com and it plays in music player
[06:21] <pr3vi0uz>  nope no luck but i always have probs under live cds but onces i do an hardinstall everything works
[06:22] <pr3vi0uz>  i have no sound
[06:22] <dcraven> stevenj, I have uninstalled OpenOffice.
[06:22] <nickrud> pr3vi0uz, have you tried system->multimedia->test?
[06:23] <setuid> Are there any Ubuntu developers here working on a PPC64 port? I'd like to speak to you about possibly helping us on an advisory council..
[06:23] <davy> wifi still not working, in iwconfig on my working computer Access Point is something, in my new computer it's all zeros.. (same chipset).. would that be why it's not pulling DHCP?
[06:23] <pr3vi0uz> nope
[06:23] <davy> or does it get that when it does
[06:23] <dcraven> davy, it get's that when it does.
[06:23] <davy> I'm pretty sure that ndiswrapper is working okay becase iwconfig is pulling all sorts of info
[06:24] <davy> ok
[06:24] <dcraven> davy, that thread didn't help?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> pr3vi0uz, look at this page...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=mp3%20hoary
[06:24] <davy> well I followed the directions but the results are the same
[06:24] <davy> was using 0.12 of ndiswrapper, now using latest of 1.1
[06:24] <dcraven> davy, and the Howto on the wiki?
[06:24] <evilmegaman> how do I unmount a cd drive when a program is using it? (installing a game here)
[06:25] <setuid> evilmegaman: you can't
[06:25] <indigirl1> hey ubuntu is very pleasant distribution
[06:25] <indigirl1> congrats
[06:25] <setuid> You can't cut the branch you're standing on
[06:25] <davy> anyes
[06:25] <kkathman> indigirl1:  yes it is...welcome to the family :)
[06:25] <evilmegaman> what? Then How am I supposed to install the game. I have done it before....
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> davy, i am using ndiswrapper 1.2rc
[06:25] <davy> it's the same problem as here  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1254.html
[06:26] <davy> I'll try taht
[06:26] <setuid> If a process has the resource marked as in-use, you can't unmount it.