[17:14] <sigma16> i fixed it
[17:14] <sigma16> long time ago...
[17:14] <ol_dude67> unagi, yes there is a hammer.
[17:14] <flipstar> lol
[17:14] <unagi> you know what i mean
[17:14] <unagi> =)
[17:15] <sigma16> i came in asking about linux over for example windows because i dont know all the differences and advantages over other os's
[17:15] <unagi> there are many advantages and disadvantages to using any for any reason
[17:16] <unagi> i still run vista because i dont see a suitable replacement for media center and my tv tuner............or good compositing software for linux
[17:16] <unagi> other than shake, but i cant find it
[17:16] <ol_dude67> one of the main advantages would probably be more control over your computer then with windows.
[17:16] <sigma16> whats a good image program for linux? i had photoshop on my windows
[17:16] <unagi> gimp
[17:16] <unagi> though gimp takes getting use to
[17:16] <unagi> its most similar to photoshop, i still prefer photoshop and you can run it on linux
[17:16] <sigma16> agreed ol....
[17:17] <sigma16> i dont like gimp... used to have it..
[17:17] <sigma16> u can get photoshop on linux?
[17:17] <unagi> yes
[17:17] <unagi> !wine > sigma16
[17:18] <Arwen> sigma16, old versions
[17:18] <Arwen> and new versions kind of
[17:18] <sigma16> so if i use wine i can use windows programs?
[17:18] <unagi> not that simple
[17:19] <sigma16> darn
[17:19] <sigma16> :p
[17:19] <unagi> accelerated programs wont run or as efficient
[17:19] <unagi> same with anything on vmware the performance is significantly cut on most
[17:19] <unagi> but alot of games and apps will run
[17:19] <unagi> wine-hq.com
[17:19] <ol_dude67> i run a vmware-server if i need windows.
[17:19] <sigma16> downloading wine
[17:19] <unagi> vmware is too slow for me
[17:20] <sigma16> yo how do i make a boot screen to chose betwene hard drives for booting?
[17:20] <ol_dude67> unagi, old computer?
[17:20] <unagi> no
[17:20] <unagi> i just require alot of power
[17:20] <ol_dude67> ah, lol
[17:21] <unagi> i use maya, vegas, shake, all sorts of cpu hungry things
[17:21] <unagi> fl studio is the lowest cpu hungry one id use, but as soon as i add a poly instrument it got choppy
[17:21] <ol_dude67> as where i just k.i.s.s for me
[17:27] <Raizard> How can i delete links in the K menu?
[17:27] <flipstar> right click->edit
[17:27] <flipstar> then delete
[17:28] <Raizard> Done
[17:28] <Raizard> thz a lot!!
[17:28] <Raizard> thx*
[17:31] <Arwen> is there a way to cap the amount of bandwidth a particular process can use?
[17:32] <unagi> is kde 4 not officially out?
[17:32] <Arwen> it is
[17:32] <Arwen> it's just, well...
[17:32] <unagi> interesting
[17:33] <unagi> the repos gave me 3
[17:33] <flipstar> 4.0.1 will also soon be released
[17:33] <Arwen> unagi, it's in some kind of external repository
[17:33] <flipstar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[17:33] <unagi> well
[17:33] <unagi> i assumed i was on 4 because it was very visually appealing
[17:34] <Arwen> hehe
[17:34] <sigma16> back
[17:34] <sigma16> unagi
[17:34] <sigma16> how do i make a boot screen
[17:34] <sigma16> i got multiple hard drives.... with diff partitions on each..
[17:34] <unagi> grub
[17:34] <unagi> !grub
[17:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[17:34] <sigma16> ok how do i use it lol
[17:35] <unagi> ..........
[17:35] <unagi> you click the link
[17:35] <unagi> and read
[17:35] <Daisuke_Ido> ...a lost art, that.
[17:36] <ol_dude67> so true
[17:36] <sigma16> >_<
[17:40] <RobotGuy> Is there any way to unlock the root acount under Kubuntu? I'm sick of this sudo stuff.
[17:40] <jussi01> !root
[17:40] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[17:41] <RobotGuy> I've read all that.
[17:41] <jussi01> RobotGuy: we dont support root passwords in here.
[17:41] <RobotGuy> You mean Kubuntu doesn't support root passwords, right?
[17:41] <jussi01> !supportroot
[17:41] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[17:42] <flipstar> root has no password
[17:42] <RobotGuy> Fine, Debian or Gentoo it will be for me then.
[17:42] <Arwen> RobotGuy, you can add a root password if you want, can't see why it matters one way or the other though.
[17:43] <alesan> I use kubuntu as root (graphical login). I have never understood what's wrong with it.  I can reinstall any time. what is *really* important to me is my data (that is what I have backups for).
[17:47] <alesan> but, as I said before I do not want to convince anybody. Sorry this is a guaranteed flame, I won't continue talking about it
[17:48] <alesan> I'll go to eat some pizza instead :)
[17:48] <alesan> bye
[17:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !language | muesli
[17:51] <ubotu> muesli: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[17:55] <|Dreams|> when will hardy heron be released?
[17:55] <flipstar> april,2008
[17:55] <|Dreams|> okay thanks
[17:55] <flipstar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[17:55] <|Dreams|> cant wait
[17:56] <muesli> Daisuke_Ido: ?
[17:56] <flipstar> just try the alpha then ;)
[17:56] <muesli> Daisuke_Ido: elaborate. what's the silly warning for?
[17:56] <|Dreams|> i prefer it to be stable as i aint no linux guru lol
[17:58] <|Dreams|> whats the best way to learn linux as in from a sys admin point of view.. any good sites
[17:58] <|Dreams|> i kno www.tldp.com
[17:58] <|Dreams|> oops typo
[17:59] <|Dreams|> tldp.org
[18:00] <gangalee> I just pasted my Xserver specs
[18:00] <gangalee> I can't get it going, somebody please help
[18:01] <adz21c> where did u paste them?
[18:01] <sigma16> ok
[18:01] <gangalee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53873/
[18:01] <sigma16> ok
[18:01] <sigma16> for some reason
[18:02] <sigma16> my pc freaks out if i have my linux hd hooked up as my primary and my windows as secondary
[18:02] <sigma16> it starts making noises and the screen gets messed up
[18:02] <sigma16> and it wont boot
[18:02] <adz21c> gangalee: whats the reason it gives for not starting?
[18:03] <gangalee> no screens
[18:03] <ol_dude67> sigma16,windows partitions like to be on the first partition
[18:03] <sigma16> yea obviously... but i cant boot my linux if its the first one...
[18:03] <sigma16> it doesnt let me..
[18:04] <sigma16> and idk how to use grub....
[18:04] <adz21c> gangalee: if you type startx what does it say?
[18:04] <sigma16> >_<
[18:04] <ol_dude67> sigma16,if you know that windows has to be first then why are you trying to change it?
[18:05] <gangalee> adz21c: it bombs out and eventually returns to the no screens error
[18:05] <sigma16> cuz it refuses to let me boot enything but windows when its first...
[18:05] <gangalee> let me try it locally
[18:06] <sigma16> idk how to setup grub or use grub to get me a screent to select the OS
[18:06] <DoomGuard> hi all
[18:07] <Daisuke_Ido> muesli - your use of the f-word.  it's not welcome in here
[18:07] <konih> paki
[18:08] <DoomGuard> i found a bug in Kubuntu 7.10 and want to confirm it
[18:09] <muesli> Daisuke_Ido: i think you misunderstood the rules. i didn't insult anyone, i said "fuck with the system"
[18:10] <unagi> does kubuntu seriously remember your session when you shut down and restore it when you log back in?
[18:10] <Arwen> unagi, kind of
[18:10] <muesli> Daisuke_Ido: if that's not welcome in here, i suggest you better start patching kubuntu, since it's all over the place in my source codes and even the kernel ;-)
[18:10] <Arwen> it can remember what applications were running and restart them
[18:10] <unagi> thats crazy
[18:10] <unagi> ugh how do i turn up the brightness on my laptop =(
[18:10] <ol_dude67> muesli, this is a family oriented channel, thats why they said to watch your language,
[18:11] <muesli> is there something like #kubuntu-normal-people then? ;-0
[18:11] <Arwen> yes, in fact there is
[18:11] <unagi> um..........what do you mean by normal
[18:11] <emilsedgh> normall?
[18:12] <unagi> what are you trying to say
[18:12] <unagi> that if you have a mind towards family values then you arent normal?
[18:12] <muesli> Arwen: haha :)
[18:12] <unagi> and people wonder why the world is going down the drain
[18:12] <Riddell> oh children
[18:12] <unagi> because family values isnt normal....
[18:12] <Riddell> Amarok developers have a different view on normal than many people :)
[18:13]  * Riddell hugs muesli
[18:13] <muesli> oh gosh, don't take me too seriously please :-)
[18:13] <muesli> Riddell: hey! :)
[18:13] <unagi> how do you turn up the brightness in kbuntu
[18:13] <ol_dude67> unagi, turn the light on :D
[18:13] <adz21c> should be under systemsettings -> display if anywhere
[18:14] <unagi> sigh
[18:14] <unagi> and if its not then,,,,,,,,,i dont get brightness
[18:14] <emilsedgh> unagi: click on your batterry in system tray
[18:14] <unagi> in gnome the keys do it
[18:14] <unagi> ah there it is
[18:14] <unagi> now.........how do i get the brightness keys to work
[18:15] <adz21c> i think kmilo does extra keys on laptops
[18:15] <unagi> !kmilo
[18:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmilo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:15] <unagi> !info kmilo
[18:15] <ubotu> kmilo (source: kdeutils): laptop special keys support for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 240 kB
[18:16] <unagi> odd........says it is installed but i cannot start it
[18:16] <adz21c> i think it has a daemon
[18:16] <adz21c> look in service manager
[18:16] <unagi> service manager is where?
[18:17] <adz21c> system settings
[18:17] <unagi> services-admin?
[18:17] <adz21c> think its under advanced
[18:18] <mefisto__> has anyone tried firefox-3.0? seems quite fast and stable already
[18:18] <unagi> i dont see kmilo or kdeutils or anything similar
[18:18] <muesli> Riddell: coming to london anytime soon again?
[18:18] <Riddell> muesli: not if I can help it :)
[18:19] <adz21c> unagi: I see it here ... and i am not even on a laptop lol
[18:19] <Riddell> muesli: but probably in another six months for the next sprint, want to show me around the last offices?
[18:19] <muesli> Riddell: understandably ;-) gimme a shout if you should do. i still regret that it didn't work out meeting you the last time
[18:19] <unagi> oh wow i missed ti
[18:19] <unagi> there it is
[18:19] <jussi01> Riddell: got a moment for a quick pm?
[18:19] <unagi> so what do i do with it
[18:19] <muesli> Riddell: sure, you'll enjoy our ballpit :)
[18:19] <Riddell> jussi01: ok
[18:20] <adz21c> unagi: is it running?
[18:20] <unagi> yes
[18:20] <muesli> Riddell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lastfm/2126852897/ <- amarok developers having fun
[18:20] <adz21c> unagi: dunno then, might be worth launching kcontrol and seeing if u have to configure anything in there
[18:20] <adz21c> unagi: figured it would just do it
[18:21] <edisson81> ciao
[18:22] <Riddell> muesli: you have a ball pool in your office?!
[18:22] <muesli> Riddell: yeah. obviously lots of alcohol was involved when planning it...
[18:23] <muesli> but it turned out being a great idea. lots of productive meetings in there ;-)
[18:23] <Riddell> muesli: genius!
[18:24] <redbeard1> can someone tell me how to get java and VLC cia sudo apt-get?
[18:24] <redbeard1> via*
[18:24] <jussi01> redbeard1: you need to add multiverse repo
[18:25] <redbeard1> kk
[18:25] <unagi> lspaul -m shows the keys correct
[18:30] <unagi> to be honest if i cant get fn keys in kde ill probably stick with gnome
[18:31] <smeril> what is the uninstall command?
[18:31] <gtt> cd / && rm -f -R *
[18:32] <TimS> gtt
[18:32] <TimS> No.
[18:32] <gtt> are you sure?
[18:32] <TimS> Very.
[18:32] <gtt> sigh.... ok.
[18:33] <TimS> smeril: What do you want to uninstall?
[18:33] <smeril> sun micro
[18:33] <gtt> unagi: Fnkeys work fine in KDE..
[18:33] <TimS> I am not sure then
[18:34] <TimS> Hey jussi01
[18:35] <jussi01> hiya TimS
[18:35] <TimS> I am surprised at myself, i haven't needed support for a while :p
[18:35] <jussi01> :)
[18:37] <unagi> omg kde crashes WAY too much
[18:37] <unagi> or rather things in kde
[18:37] <unagi> not kde it self
[18:37] <ubuntu_> hi, I need help. I have my system down and have booted with Kubuntu livecd. I have mounted my home partition and now am creating a new user in console so that I can login and restore my session. I type this command: useradd -p test -d /media/user1/home user1  when I logout and login the password test is not recognized. Is there something wrong I am doing?
[18:38] <unagi> thats it.........im done with kubuntu for a while
[18:38] <unagi> bye everyone
[18:38] <ubuntu_> moreover, if I wish to get back into livecd, what user and password should I use?
[18:42] <ScorpKing> ubuntu_: that won't work
[18:42] <ubuntu_> ScorpKing: I was told that this will work. How to do so in your openion?
[18:43] <ScorpKing> ubuntu_: hmm.. i've missread there.
[18:43] <ScorpKing> ubuntu_: can you boot from the hard drive?
[18:44] <ubuntu_> no
[18:44] <ubuntu_> this is why I am working for now from livecd
[18:45] <mefisto__> why are you trying to create a new user? how will this help you boot?
[18:45] <ScorpKing> o ok. try " sudo adduser test " sudo mount /dev/<yourhomedisk> /home/test
[18:46] <anakin_> Hello all, i cannot find beryl in universe repo- its enabled in synaptic's config
[18:46] <ScorpKing> or you can just log out of the ubuntu user and mount you home directory from the disk over /home/ubuntu
[18:46] <ubuntu_> ScorpKing: s this command correct then? useradd -d /media/user1/home <username>
[18:47] <ScorpKing> not sure. check the manpages but logging in as your user won't enable you to fix anything
[18:48] <jussi01> !beryl | anakin_
[18:48] <ubotu> anakin_: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[18:48] <ubuntu_> what if I wish to get back into live cd. What is the live cd username and password?
[18:49] <ScorpKing> ubuntu_: you can mount your root partition of your hard drive on say /mnt/ and then just sudo chmod /mnt/ and fix it from there
[18:50] <ubuntu_> 0k
[18:50] <ScorpKing> ubuntu_: i think getting the disk to boot wil be better
[18:51] <ubuntu_> ok, must logout now
[18:51] <mefisto__> ubuntu_: does it not boot? or just no way to login?
[18:51] <ubuntu_> thanks
[18:51] <ubuntu_> does not boot at all
[18:51] <ubuntu_> b/c using gentoo
[18:51] <ubuntu_> got to logout sorry
[19:01] <alteregolio> hey beavis. check it out! diapers for adults
[19:01] <hydrogen> ...
[19:11] <pd_> como instalar ubuntu en un lapto con solo 64 Mb de memoria Ram?
[19:12] <pd_> la tengo comn millenium
[19:12] <hellhound> i need help trying to get my users access to my samba share....only the windows box works... but not the kubuntu box.... my fstab is //<IP_ADDRESS>/borgfiles /media/TheBorg smb defaults 0 0
[19:12] <pd_> quiero emigrar
[19:12] <smeril> is it good to install sun micro?
[19:12] <ThomasD> !es|pd_
[19:12] <ubotu> pd_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:13] <pd_> #ubuntu-es
[19:14] <H_O_S> Hello ! gksu "update-manager -c" does not bring up the possibility of upgading from dapper to edgy why is this ?
[19:14] <smeril> how can i create my own irc channel?
[19:14] <alteregolio> you need to cook it
[19:14] <alteregolio> using 2fl of grapewine
[19:15] <alteregolio> and a 1/4 piece of cake
[19:15] <H_O_S> and at 250 degrees
[19:15] <smeril> haha
[19:15] <H_O_S> simply join the channel for first
[19:15] <smeril> in what menu?
[19:16] <alteregolio> type
[19:16] <alteregolio> type _/join #channelname
[19:16] <alteregolio> withouth underscores
[19:17] <H_O_S> alteregolio: since you are the only one around :P do you have an idea why gksu "update-manager -c" does not affer me the possibilty to oupgrade my system ?
[19:17] <hellhound> i need help trying to get my users access to my samba share....only the windows box works... but not the kubuntu box.... my fstab is //<IP_ADDRESS>/borgfiles /media/TheBorg smb defaults 0 0
[19:18] <rambo> c'è qualche italiano?
[19:18] <Arwen> Does anyone know if Kubuntu is compatible with wooden volume knobs? This is a must as my high end audio equipment must function perfectly. Wooden Volume Knob (http://web.archive.org/web/20070418101827/http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C)
[19:18] <smeril> i want to make my own channel
[19:18] <Arwen> smeril, join a channel that doesn't exist and FreeNode will make it for you
[19:18] <Arwen> e.g. /join #smeril
[19:19] <smeril> do i type in the ip of the person
[19:20] <smeril> i understand now thanks
[19:20] <Arwen> ...
[19:25] <H_O_S> gksu "update-manager -c" does not bring up the possibility of upgading from dapper to edgy why is this ? gksu "update-manager -c -d" works but  i need to update releases one by one
[19:26] <flipstar> try sudo update-manager --dist-upgrade
[19:27] <H_O_S> update-manager: error: no such option: --dist-upgrade
[19:29] <mefisto__> sudo update-manager --check-dist-upgrades
[19:30] <flipstar> similar as the -c option
[19:31] <H_O_S> sudo update-manager --check-dist-upgrades didn't work i got the usual system is up to date
[19:32] <flipstar> hm why dont you give apt a try ?
[19:32] <flipstar> sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:33] <H_O_S> because its notthe recommende way to upgrade ? lool
[19:33] <jussi01> flipstar: that wont upgrade you from one release to the next...
[19:33] <tashiro_> upgrading feisty to gutsy? @<H_O_S>
[19:33] <flipstar> dapper to edgy
[19:34] <H_O_S> yep dapper to edgy
[19:35] <tashiro_> try opening kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in konsole and change all instances of dapper to edgy
[19:36] <tashiro_> then do the "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" thingy
[19:36] <H_O_S> okee thanks i'll try that out
[19:36] <g-hennux> hi!
[19:36] <g-hennux> where does knetworkmanager store the settings i made for vpn and such?
[19:39] <tashiro_> i just downloaded a divx movie with axel but i cant locate it any ideas
[19:39] <ScorpKing> g-hennux: look in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:39] <stk8> what is the vomand for installing debian menu?
[19:39] <stk8> comand
[19:40] <ScorpKing> tashiro_: you know the filename it's saved under?
[19:40] <tashiro_> no idea sorry
[19:41] <flipstar> tashiro_: it should be in you current path
[19:41] <g-hennux> ScorpKing: nothing in there, except for lo
[19:41] <gangalee> got it working after the feisty upgrade!
[19:42] <ScorpKing> g-hennux: maybe ~.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc ?
[19:45] <g-hennux> ScorpKing: no, not there.
[19:45] <venik> I have a USB external drive (formatted as VFAT) that I can access through Krusader (as root only) but which is invisible to eh Storage System, so Dolphin cannot see it.
[19:45] <venik> How do I get normal access to it?
[19:46] <g-hennux> ScorpKing: and also not under root's homedir
[19:46] <ScorpKing> g-hennux: then i don't know. :(
[19:46] <ScorpKing> venik: how do you mount it?
[19:47] <venik> I use mountman from Krusader
[19:47] <ScorpKing> hmm.. add uid=1000,gid=1000 to the mount options
[19:47] <venik> In 7.04 I could use it OK, but in 7.10 I am having this problem
[19:48] <ScorpKing> venik: you are mounting it as root so only root can see it unless you tell it to give users permossion
[19:48] <ScorpKing> permission*
[19:52] <venik> I did not mount it as root
[19:53] <ScorpKing> then it's listed in /etc/fstab
[19:53] <venik> Now it is complaining that it is unmounted
[19:53] <ScorpKing> !fat
[19:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[19:53] <venik> but I can neither mount nor unmount it
[19:54] <ScorpKing> read there ^
[19:54] <olskolirc> how come I can't load kdm themes to my kdm manager please?  nothing shows up
[19:55] <olskolirc> im on Gutsy
[19:57] <venik> Is it safe to run the diskmounter script?
[19:57] <venik> I am running KDE
[20:00] <Snew> me too
[20:00] <Snew> obvisioly its an Kubuntu channel
[20:01] <ScorpKing> venik: try and see if you can set it up in kcontrol
[20:02] <venik> I have tried many times
[20:02] <venik> everything looks OK there, as far as I can tell
[20:02] <ScorpKing> venik: do it manually then. edit /etc/fstab and add an entry for your disk there
[20:03] <venik> I do not know how to do that
[20:03] <venik> since it used to work, fstab already has some stuff for this drive
[20:03] <ScorpKing> ah ok. i'll walk you trough it ;)
[20:03] <venik> great
[20:04] <ScorpKing> can you pastebin your /etc/fstab for me?
[20:04] <ScorpKing> !paste
[20:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:04] <venik> sure-- one sec
[20:05] <venik> Here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53892/
[20:05] <ScorpKing> hmm.. looks a bit not-so-right ;) one sec..
[20:06] <venik> The offending drive is LACIE
[20:06] <venik> the others work fine
[20:07] <ScorpKing> do you know what /dev/ ? that is?
[20:07] <venik> I think sdd1
[20:07] <ScorpKing> ok
[20:08] <venik> at least according to Kcontrol
[20:08] <ScorpKing> in konsole type - kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[20:09] <venik> I have it
[20:09] <venik> it is open in Kate
[20:09] <ScorpKing> change that line to - /dev/sdd1 /media/LACIE vfat users,atime,auto,rw,nodev,exec,suid 0 0
[20:09] <venik> u mean the LACIE line?
[20:09] <ScorpKing> yes
[20:10] <venik> ok, I did
[20:10] <ScorpKing> save it
[20:10] <venik> I did
[20:10] <ScorpKing> in konsole type - mount /dev/sdd1
[20:11] <venik> ok
[20:11] <ScorpKing> any errors?
[20:11] <venik> no errors, but I still do not see LACIE in the Storage System
[20:11] <ScorpKing> now type ls -l /media/LACIE/
[20:11] <psycholic> why do i get this error when i try to udate with apt get
[20:11] <psycholic> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[20:12] <venik> Command not found...
[20:12] <ScorpKing> psycholic: run it from konsole - sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:12] <venik> sorry-- my mistake
[20:13] <venik> I got the directory of LACIE on the terminal, but the whole point was to see it in the storage system, or in Dolphin
[20:13] <ScorpKing> venik: what's the user and permissions there?
[20:13] <tashiro_> Dude do i cant find a file i just downloaded with axel any ideas? @ <scorpking>
[20:14] <ScorpKing> tashiro_: download it again
[20:14] <ScorpKing> :P
[20:14] <tashiro_> i did that like 3 times already
[20:15] <ScorpKing> look where you save it
[20:15] <venik> Scor-- where do I look?
[20:15] <tashiro_> all my other  files go to my home folder
[20:15] <ScorpKing> venik: in /media/LACIE
[20:16] <tashiro_> for some reason it stores my divx files in /. directories and sumtimes not at all
[20:16] <ScorpKing> tashiro_: what is the file called? what file is it? .zip? .avi?
[20:16] <tashiro_> .divx
[20:16] <flipstar> try locate .divx
[20:17] <ScorpKing> tashiro_: sudo updatedb fisrt
[20:17] <tashiro_> lemme try dat
[20:17] <ScorpKing> first*
[20:17] <ScorpKing> venik: what do you see if you type just - mount ?
[20:18] <venik> OK-- now it is all back the way it is SUPPOSED to be.  All I did was unmount my flash USB drive, and that "fixed" the LACIE drive
[20:18] <venik> I had seen this sort of unholy interaction b4
[20:19] <senorpedro> hi folks
[20:19] <Arwen> huh, apparently Photoshop CS2 runs in WINE now. Man I missed out on a lot.
[20:19] <senorpedro> is it possible to switch workspaces just by pointing to the right or left edge of the window?
[20:19] <ScorpKing> venik: haha. glad to hear :)
[20:19] <psycholic> nice looks like its working thanks
[20:19] <tekteen> senorpedro: that is better in theory then practice
[20:19] <venik> Now the USB drive is in the Storage System, and all is well, (probably until the next time I use a flash drive
[20:20] <tekteen> senorpedro: it is annoying
[20:20] <venik> thanks for your help, ScorpKing
[20:20] <senorpedro> tekteen: i need it for surviving
[20:20] <tekteen> Compiz can do it
[20:20] <senorpedro> how  can i activate it??
[20:20] <senorpedro> i need it in kwin
[20:20] <ScorpKing> venik: you're welcome. i don't have an entry for my usb drive in fstab btw.
[20:20] <tekteen> sorry
[20:21] <tashiro_> im out fellas peace
[20:21] <tekteen> only compiz does it. But it is as good as focus on mouse over
[20:21] <tekteen> In theory great
[20:21] <venik> The two USB drives plug into the same USB hub-- maybe that is why they interact...
[20:22] <bmk789> k3b is screwing up burning the same 2 files on 3 different ISOs, whats wrong here?
[20:24] <cps1966> ! java
[20:24] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[20:26] <psycholic> how do i enable kde 4.0
[20:26] <flipstar> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[20:27] <jussi01> !kde4 | psycholic
[20:27] <ubotu> psycholic: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:28] <psycholic> right on thanks
[20:30] <some_dude> hey
[20:30] <some_dude> i need help
[20:30] <jussi01> !ask | some_dude
[20:30] <ubotu> some_dude: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:30] <some_dude> I'm getting mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'
[20:30] <some_dude> I did not ask, I did a prologe
[20:31] <psycholic> so i just add that deb line to the bottem of sources.list
[20:33] <jussi01> psycholic: yes, and btw kde4 suport is in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:33] <psycholic> ok thanks
[20:39] <cps1966> !java
[20:39] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[20:40] <sparrw> anyone else notice that the webmailcompose extension has stopped working with gmail lately?  the gmail "Loading..." page appears, and never goes farther.  This is [approx] since I upgraded to ubuntu gutsy.
[20:47] <arrrghhh> hey all, firefox3 is in the repos for ubuntu but only alpha 8.  what's the easiest way to upgrade it to beta 2?
[20:48] <fivetwentysix> Why can't I mount my Windows partitions
[20:49] <ScorpKing> !ntfs | fivetwentysix
[20:49] <ubotu> fivetwentysix: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[20:49] <fivetwentysix> It returns with error: hal-storage-fixed-mount-all options refused uid 10000
[20:49] <ScorpKing> 1000 not 10000
[20:49] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: does he need to be root
[20:50] <arrrghhh> fivetwentysix: go to system settings, advanced, and disks & file systems
[20:50] <flipstar> arrrghhh: you can download ff from http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0b2/linux-i686/en-US/
[20:50] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: 1000 is your uid
[20:50] <flipstar> it comes as binary
[20:50] <fivetwentysix> Yeah, why isn't it prompting me to login as root..
[20:50] <arrrghhh> flipstar: i have it downloaded, it's a .tar.gz.  what's the easiest way to update from alpha 8 to beta 2?  alpha 8 was in the repos, but beta 2 is better
[20:50] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: try sudo
[20:50] <fivetwentysix> Sorry I meant 1000
[20:51] <flipstar> arrrghhh: just link the firefox icon to the new firefox
[20:51] <DoomGuard> hey i found a bug in kubuntu that caused small squares to appear on your desktop where can i report it
[20:51] <ScorpKing> fivetwentysix: no idea then. try to mount it manually
[20:51] <flipstar> extract it before that of corse
[20:51] <arrrghhh> i want to overwrite my alpha 8 install
[20:52] <fivetwentysix> tekteen: I don't know the command to mount a harddrive.
[20:52] <flipstar> dont know how to do this..but it uses the old profile anyway
[20:52] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: sudo mount -a
[20:53] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: can you please pastebin the contents of /etc/fstab
[20:54] <tekteen> !pastebin | fivetwentysix
[20:54] <ubotu> fivetwentysix: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:55] <fivetwentysix> tekteen ok
[20:55] <tekteen> what is the URL?
[20:55] <gregor> Hi tekteen:)
[20:55] <tekteen> gregor: hi
[20:56] <fivetwentysix> tekteen: http://pastebin.ca/876493
[20:56] <fivetwentysix> i'm trying to mount sda2
[20:56] <fivetwentysix> and sda1
[20:57] <tekteen> ok
[20:57] <arrrghhh> fivetwentysix: i'd just go thru disks & filesystems in the system settings applet
[20:57] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: ok
[20:58] <fivetwentysix> arrrghhh: That's what I'm doing.
[20:58] <arrrghhh> fivetwentysix: and you create a mount point and enable it?
[20:59] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: type the following in the konsole. sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[21:00] <ubuntu_> is there anyway of replacing Dolphin by Konquer on Gutsy?
[21:00] <ubuntu_> I prefer Konqueror do Dolphin
[21:01] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: did you put in the command?
[21:03] <jussi01> !dolphin | ubuntu_
[21:03] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[21:05] <fivetwentysix> tekteen: yeah i got it working
[21:05] <trond> !kde4
[21:05] <fivetwentysix> but i accidently mounted a drive to <mount point>
[21:05] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:06] <fivetwentysix> and couldn't figure out how to unmount
[21:06] <fivetwentysix> So i tried deleting the folder
[21:06] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: bad idea
[21:06] <fivetwentysix> and it started deleting the contents of hte harddrive after i disabled the write permission
[21:06] <flipstar> ouch
[21:06] <fivetwentysix> shit!
[21:06] <fivetwentysix> I have no idea what it deleted
[21:06] <jussi01> !language | fivetwentysix
[21:06] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: umount <mountpoint>
[21:07] <tekteen> Was it read only
[21:07] <ubotu> fivetwentysix: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:07] <smeril> when i restarted my computer it said that it was started witout admin rights what is the output from that?
[21:07] <tekteen> if so nothing was deleted
[21:07] <tekteen> It just was trying
[21:07] <fivetwentysix> tekteen: no i disabled it before unmounting
[21:07] <fivetwentysix> it wasn't reading correctly in the system settings
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> so i couldn't disable it there
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> and i guess any settings i made didn't go through
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> it did delete files
[21:08] <tekteen> oh
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> Oh well
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> I don't mind formatting windows again
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> lol
[21:08] <tekteen> lol
[21:08] <gregor> :-D
[21:08] <fivetwentysix> but installing vista is a pain
[21:09] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: if I may explain the idea behind mounting
[21:09] <tekteen> the idea is to put the drive on the system
[21:10] <DoomGuard> Where can i report a bug  ithink i found????????????????
[21:10] <tekteen> if you delete. the computer does not know the diff between a mounted drive and the linux drive
[21:10] <tekteen> !bug
[21:10] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:10] <DoomGuard> thx
[21:10] <Daisuke_Ido> hi, i know this is offtopic, but i just got fired.  have a nice day!
[21:10] <DoomGuard> lolz
[21:10] <tekteen> why?
[21:11] <Daisuke_Ido> because my boss was a ****
[21:11] <ScorpKing> lol. sorry to hear
[21:11] <smeril> it was when i was installing a few packets my and my computer freazed and it didnt finish the process to more than 20% from the packet manager and after the restart my admin rights was gone
[21:11] <tekteen> smeril: do you have the live cd?
[21:12] <smeril> no i dont have it at the moment
[21:12] <tekteen> ok
[21:12] <tekteen> I have de-admined myself
[21:12] <smeril> is that maybe a part of the problem?
[21:12] <tekteen> playing with stuff
[21:12] <smeril> haha
[21:12] <tekteen> What I do is use a live cd
[21:13] <tekteen> mount the linux drive
[21:13] <smeril> how?
[21:13] <tekteen> edit /etc/group(s?)
[21:13] <tekteen> not sure if it is group
[21:13] <tekteen> or groups
[21:13] <sigma16> whats the bestest thing about linux iyo?
[21:13] <tekteen> and add my user to the admin group
[21:15] <Daisuke_Ido> stability
[21:15] <sigma16> besides the obvious things
[21:15] <sigma16> like
[21:15] <sigma16> stability no viruses...
[21:15] <tekteen> Being able to play with the system
[21:16] <tekteen> being able to change it how you want
[21:16] <tekteen> and if you are not tech. savvy?
[21:16] <tekteen> Using other peoples mods
[21:16] <sigma16> :p
[21:16] <sigma16> im new to linux... not to programming...
[21:17] <sigma16> well i only did php and other related programing
[21:17] <tekteen> ok
[21:17] <tekteen> I am learning to compile kernels
[21:22] <ubuntu_> hi
[21:23] <tekteen> hi
[21:24] <fivetwentysix> Grr
[21:24] <fivetwentysix> Adept won't run because something is using apt
[21:24] <fivetwentysix> And i just restarted
[21:24] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[21:24] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:25] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: follow it. ubotu is smart
[21:25] <fivetwentysix> Thanks
[21:25] <tekteen> ubotu is very smart
[21:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is very smart - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:25] <tekteen> nm
[21:25] <tekteen> :-D
[21:25] <Agent_bob> :)
[21:25] <fivetwentysix> Now he sounds dumb!
[21:25] <tekteen> That is why I did it
[21:26] <tekteen> I knew the bot would say that
[21:26] <Agent_bob> ubotu hello
[21:26] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:26] <fivetwentysix> ubotu being dumb
[21:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about being dumb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:26] <tekteen> lol
[21:27] <sigma16> whats the thing u use most on ur linux pc?
[21:27] <tekteen> firefox
[21:27] <flipstar> the kernel
[21:27] <some_dude> firefox
[21:27] <tekteen> flipstar is right
[21:27] <sigma16> that is unique to a linux pc...
[21:27] <Agent_bob> definitely the kernel
[21:27] <tekteen> kde
[21:27] <sigma16> and is not something u would most likely find on any pc in the world..
[21:28] <some_dude> kdernel
[21:28] <tekteen> lol
[21:28] <some_dude> give them time
[21:28] <tekteen> gcc
[21:28] <tekteen> lol
[21:28] <some_dude> do you run windows or linux, nither i run de
[21:28] <some_dude> kde
[21:28] <sigma16> kubuntu should be sold on desktops from a store...
[21:29] <tekteen> sigma16: ubuntu got the glory
[21:29] <sigma16> and not only available to the computer savvy who search the web for these things..
[21:29] <sigma16> it annoys me microsoft dominates..
[21:29] <tekteen> yep
[21:30] <sigma16> especially when their OS sux and they charge outragiously for it...
[21:30] <sigma16> one windows 98 that will be 500$...
[21:30] <sigma16> have a nice day...
[21:30]  * Agent_bob cares not who rules the ignorant.   just don't try to make linux into an M$ clone.
[21:30] <sigma16> why would i
[21:30] <JoshOvki> but they lead the market so they can charge what they want
[21:30] <some_dude> I want my windows apps to run on linux
[21:31] <some_dude> and don't say wine, because it's not even close
[21:31] <trpr> then give up. unless the apps are crossplatform its not going to happen
[21:31] <tekteen> It may happen
[21:32] <ScorpKing> !windows
[21:32] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[21:32] <tekteen> with kde for windows/mac
[21:32] <Agent_bob> some_dude depends on the particular app.  for some apps wine does a very nice job.  for the rest .... forget it.
[21:32] <trpr> it may happen through wine :P
[21:32] <some_dude> i really want my kde sexy
[21:32] <JoshOvki> the minority of the world is on linux, its not in most developers interest to make crossplatform programs
[21:32] <tekteen> some_dude: kde4
[21:32] <some_dude> sexy and stable
[21:32] <sparrw> ive got a jpeg, i need to put it in a pdf for (reliable from poorly configured linux) printing.  what can i use to do that?
[21:32] <tekteen> some_dude: kde 4.1
[21:32] <sigma16> none of the linux developers even bother to try and compete with microsoft...
[21:33] <some_dude> for some reason apt-get install kde.4.1 fails
[21:33] <tekteen> some_dude: lol
[21:33]  * trpr screams.
[21:33] <flipstar> kde 4.1 will be released soon
[21:33] <sigma16> i mean like if they make a flipin cmomercial and pos tit on a widely viewed tv channel theyd get a ton of people lookin at it
[21:33] <some_dude> define soon
[21:33] <tekteen> 6 months
[21:33] <ScorpKing> !ot
[21:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:33] <flipstar> what ? no few days
[21:33] <sigma16> is 4.0 beta or is it stable
[21:33] <flipstar> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Schedules
[21:34] <sigma16> ??
[21:34] <Agent_bob> sigma16 NO
[21:34] <sigma16> no to what
[21:34] <Agent_bob> both
[21:34] <flipstar> 06 February 2008: Releasing 4.0.1
[21:34] <sigma16> so what i sbetter 3 or 4
[21:34] <tekteen> 4 will be
[21:35] <tekteen> but is not now
[21:35] <Agent_bob> sigma16 if all you want is some "eyecandy" 4  if you want everything to work 3.
[21:35] <jpatrick> !kde4 | sigma16, flipstar
[21:35] <ubotu> sigma16, flipstar: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:35] <maxim000> Hello. What mean - Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-maxim000" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[21:35] <maxim000> in apt.log
[21:35] <vbgunz> is there a way to get a list of applications I *EXPLICITLY* installed?
[21:35] <maxim000> dist-upgrade
[21:36] <Agent_bob> maxim000 means you own the dir
[21:36] <FaiDillinGer> i do love kubuntu
[21:36] <Agent_bob> !chown
[21:36] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[21:36] <maxim000> how to fix it?
[21:36] <Skyloto> hmm, I get all kind of errors
[21:36] <FaiDillinGer> im amazed everyday
[21:36] <flipstar> vbgunz: dpkg --get-selections
[21:36] <Skyloto> for example errors with installing update packages
[21:36] <vbgunz> flipstar: that gets every package no?
[21:37] <flipstar> yes it does
[21:37] <Skyloto> an error that I' m already running a software management tool
[21:37] <Skyloto> which isn't true
[21:37] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[21:37] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:37] <Agent_bob> maxim000 try logging out.  opening a console and "rm -r /var/tmp/kdecache-maxim000"   if the same problem persists  then you have found a bug.
[21:38] <vbgunz> flipstar: not that, packages I explicitly requested for installation, not libraries, dependencies or what comes with kubuntu by default... the cruft that I installed and lost track of
[21:38] <Agent_bob> maxim000 and if you have found a bug, report it and for a work around chown the dir
[21:39] <Agent_bob> maxim000 note that things in /tmp are temporary
[21:39] <flipstar> vbgunz: no dont know how to realize that..
[21:39] <vbgunz> flipstar: heh, me too
[21:40] <vbgunz> anyone know how to get a list of the applications I explicitly installed MINUS libraries, dependencies and what kubuntu installs by default or is required?
[21:41] <Agent_bob> vbgunz you might pars it out of /var/log/dpkg*
[21:41] <tekteen> vbgunz: why?
[21:41] <Skyloto> how do I close applications like 'update manager', 'aptitude' or 'synaptic' while I haven't opened them?
[21:41] <ScorpKing> vbgunz: you want to install the same apps on a different box?
[21:41] <Agent_bob> !adeptcrash | Skyloto
[21:41] <ubotu> Skyloto: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:42] <Skyloto> oh right
[21:42] <vbgunz> I've had ubuntu for so long, I have plenty of stuff installed from a very long time and would like to uninstall the stuff I do not use
[21:42] <jpatrick> vbgunz: maybe: sudo apt-get autoremove?
[21:42] <flipstar> just go to adept_manager and select only installed packages..
[21:43] <vbgunz> jpatrick: heh, not exactly :)
[21:43] <Agent_bob> vbgunz unless you are pressed for disk space,   that's futile
[21:43] <vbgunz> these apps are working fine, I just have plenty I don't need :)
[21:43] <jpatrick> vbgunz: it removes unneeded packages
[21:43] <Skyloto> thanks
[21:44] <Agent_bob> apt-get autoremove
[21:44] <Agent_bob> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[21:44] <vbgunz> jpatrick: I understand, I am trying to remove packages that will not get picked up by it, stuff I installed and most likely forgot
[21:44] <flipstar> vbgunz: you can use adept_manager to scroll installed apps
[21:44] <vbgunz> flipstar: yeah am doing that, am trying to figure out tags to filter by now
[21:44] <ScorpKing> anyone here know how unreal tournament runs on linux?
[21:44] <kaminix> What's updated in the most recent kdelibs packages in buntu
[21:45] <kaminix> *buntu repos
[21:45] <jpatrick> !info kdelibs hardy | kaminix
[21:45] <vbgunz> am looking for a tag that says something along the lines of "REQUIRED" so I can filter against it, heh, something like that
[21:45] <ubotu> kaminix: kdelibs (source: kdelibs): core libraries from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-4ubuntu6 (hardy), package size 9 kB, installed size 96 kB
[21:46] <Agent_bob> vbgunz are you sure ?   the required packages don't even include a gui...   ?
[21:46] <FaiDillinGer> it runs like crap
[21:46] <tekteen> ScorpKing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games/Native/UnrealTournament
[21:47] <Atan> good evening, i just converted from ubuntu to kubuntu, and i was wondering how do i use konqueror as my default file browser?
[21:47] <tekteen> !dolphin
[21:47] <sigma16> oh i answered this earlier
[21:47] <vbgunz> Agent_bob: well, I would just like to see a list of the applications that I explicitly installed, not those that are required to run, came with kubuntu or may be dependencies, etc
[21:48] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[21:48] <tekteen> ubotu dies
[21:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:48] <ScorpKing> tekteen: do i need that if i have the disk with the linux installer? thatnks for the link. ;)
[21:48] <vbgunz> that would give me the shorted list I could possibly wish for atm :)
[21:48] <tekteen> ok
[21:48] <tekteen> nm
[21:48] <Atan> that bot is awesome
[21:48] <sigma16> ubotu died
[21:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about died - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:48] <kaminix> vbgunz: But what's in the last update of the kdelibs package?
[21:48] <Agent_bob> vbgunz again the list of dpkg actions in /var/log  might be the best bet for that.
[21:48] <sigma16> ubotu having a life
[21:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about having a life - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:48] <sigma16> XD
[21:49] <FaiDillinGer> ubotu bitches
[21:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bitches - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:49] <tekteen> !ohmy
[21:49] <sigma16> ubotu life
[21:49] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:49] <ubotu> life is something very few people know about in this channel - and anyway, it's probably offtopic, perhaps you want to try #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:49] <Agent_bob> vbgunz especally seeing that they are in cronological order ...
[21:49] <sigma16> LOL
[21:49] <FaiDillinGer> lol
[21:50] <tekteen> !botsnack
[21:50] <sigma16> i think that bot just insulted us all...
[21:50] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[21:50] <sigma16> XD
[21:50] <sigma16> ubotu die
[21:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about die - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:50] <vbgunz> Agent_bob: yeah, I was looking at that a while ago, didn't know where to start as I believe kubuntus stuff is in there too, not sure where it ends and stuff
[21:50] <sigma16> ubotu death
[21:50] <tekteen> !root
[21:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about death - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:50] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:50] <sigma16> ubotu quit
[21:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:50] <vbgunz> Agent_bob: I'll look again, hopefully I can see a pattern or something
[21:50] <tekteen> strait from the matrix
[21:50] <sigma16> ubotu sex
[21:50] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #kubuntu. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[21:51] <ScorpKing> !botabuse
[21:51] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[21:51] <tekteen> sorry
[21:51] <ScorpKing> hehe :P
[21:51] <sigma16> nevar!
[21:51] <Agent_bob> sigma16 not all...  "very few" means that there are a few.
[21:51] <sigma16> wat makes u tink ur amoung those few...
[21:51] <sigma16> XD
[21:51] <sigma16> j/p
[21:51] <Skyloto> O;
[21:52] <Skyloto> no matter what server I go to
[21:52] <VestICa> hello everyone
[21:52] <sigma16> lol
[21:52] <VestICa> can someone help me instaling kubuntu ? :D
[21:52] <sigma16> vesty ur under arrest...
[21:52] <ScorpKing> my nvidia drivers i installed yesterday stopped working again today. if i use nv it's fine but nvidia gives me a cursor. in the logs i get "Fatal server error: no screens found". any ideas?
[21:52] <sigma16> ur not aloud to say hi
[21:52] <sigma16> sure
[21:52] <VestICa> well...
[21:52] <Skyloto> ooh
[21:52] <Skyloto> lucky you
[21:52] <VestICa> i have install cd 7.10
[21:53] <Skyloto> I can't find out how to install the driver at all
[21:53] <sigma16> mhm
[21:53] <VestICa> amd athlon 64 3200+
[21:53] <sigma16> mhm
[21:53] <flipstar> !install VestICa
[21:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about install vestica - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:53] <VestICa> 1gb ram memory
[21:53] <flipstar> !install | VestICa
[21:53] <ubotu> VestICa: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:53] <Skyloto> wait
[21:53] <VestICa> ok
[21:53] <Skyloto> VestICa:
[21:53] <sigma16> wats ur problem?
[21:53] <Skyloto> what graphics card?
[21:54] <VestICa> my problem is my screen is black instead of get into it
[21:54] <VestICa> 6600
[21:54] <Skyloto> pfew
[21:54] <kaminix> All bugreports for ubuntu go to launchpad, right?
[21:54] <Skyloto> was almost afraid you had exactly the same system as I have
[21:54] <jpatrick> !bugs | kaminix
[21:54] <ubotu> kaminix: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:54] <Agent_bob> safe graphics mode
[21:54] <kaminix> Thanks jpatrick :)
[21:54] <VestICa> tried safe graphics mode
[21:54] <VestICa> same thing
[21:54] <VestICa> black screen
[21:54] <Skyloto> so VestICa
[21:54] <Skyloto> how the hell did you install it anyway?
[21:55] <VestICa> i saw how that should look like
[21:55] <VestICa> so i guess something is wrong with my cd or machine
[21:55] <assilva> Brazilian_Joe, fala
[21:55] <Agent_bob> VestICa how much memory ?
[21:55] <VestICa> i did check cd for errors
[21:55] <VestICa> and it said everything is ok
[21:55] <Skyloto> Type "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.09-pkg1.run" to install the driver.
[21:55] <Skyloto> doesn't work
[21:55] <jpatrick> !bt | assilva, Brazilian_Joe
[21:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:56] <Skyloto> also
[21:56] <Skyloto> package installer has been stuck on 48% for ages
[21:56] <Agent_bob> VestICa how much memory does it have?
[21:56] <VestICa> graphics card ?
[21:56] <vbgunz> Agent_bob: heh, yeah, reading /var/log/dpkg.log is mind boggling, I see system updates, etc, I really wouldn't know how best to parse out apps I explicitly requested for installation :/
[21:56] <VestICa> 256mb
[21:57] <Agent_bob> VestICa ok that's not the problme then.
[21:57] <Agent_bob> VestICa but that is the minimum for the liveCD install
[21:57] <VestICa> ok
[21:58] <VestICa> so should i try alternate install ?
[21:58] <ScorpKing> 320MB is the minimum i think
[21:58]  * ScorpKing goes to make sure..
[21:58] <VestICa> 320 mb system memory
[21:58] <VestICa> i have 1gb ram memory
[21:58] <VestICa> and 256 on my graphics card
[21:58] <VestICa> lol
[21:58] <ScorpKing> ah
[21:58] <flipstar> VestICa: so you have already installed it and it wont boot ? or it stucks at install ?
[21:58] <Agent_bob> VestICa yes probably,   the alternate installer is much beter   IMO
[21:59] <Agent_bob> flipstar as i understand it.  can't boot the liveCD.    ?
[21:59] <VestICa> it won't boot live desktop
[21:59] <Agent_bob> anyway.  i'm out for a while.
[21:59] <VestICa> after that progress indicator thing...
[22:00] <VestICa> that blue thingie...
[22:00] <flipstar> VestICa: which version of the live cd you used ? the amd x64 thing ?
[22:00] <VestICa> next screen is black
[22:00] <VestICa> on both first options
[22:00] <VestICa> yes, x64
[22:00] <ehc> what is the command to start kde media manager?
[22:00] <VestICa> kubuntu-7.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:00] <FaiDillinGer> what is the best 3d chess program available on kubuntu ?
[22:00] <VestICa> this one i've tried to install
[22:00] <fivetwentysix> !apt-fix
[22:00] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:01] <tekteen> FaiDillinGer: they are not good
[22:01] <VestICa> and i know it worked on similar machine
[22:01] <tekteen> I tried one
[22:01] <tekteen> I like the windows one
[22:01] <maxim000> how to unlock apt?
[22:01] <maxim000> just delete lock?
[22:01] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[22:01] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:01] <ehc> !kde media manager
[22:01] <maxim000> thanks :)
[22:02] <ehc> !kde mediamanager
[22:02] <ehc> !kdemediamanager
[22:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdemediamanager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:02] <tekteen> ehc: ask a question
[22:02] <VestICa> flipstar do you think alternate installer will do the job ?
[22:02] <tekteen> we know the factoids
[22:02] <flipstar> i cant promise
[22:02] <flipstar> but you always can try :)
[22:02] <VestICa> :)
[22:02] <VestICa> i'll try
[22:03] <ehc> tekteen, i pluged in a flash drive and when I go to storage media it tells me that the KDE media manager isn't running. I have always had flash drives work fine.
[22:03] <tekteen> ok
[22:03] <VestICa> i would try it at first place... but i know this exact version i'm trying to install worked without any problems at my boyfriend's place
[22:03] <tekteen> try to restart kde
[22:03] <tekteen> login/out
[22:03] <VestICa> and he has almost the same machine as mine
[22:05] <maxim000> lock file is still in /var/cache/apt/archives
[22:17] <vbgunz> I can't believe I cannot get a list of the apps I explicitly installed, are there any apps out there that can probably make this easier to figure out?
[22:19] <jussi01> vbgunz: I think adept has a history somewhere there
[22:20] <vbgunz> a nice clean history would be sweet if it excluded system updates and stuff :)
[22:20] <vbgunz> googling history
[22:21] <vbgunz> ohh, found this "sudo cat /var/log/apt/term.log" that looks like it may come in handy!
[22:21] <jussi01> :)
[22:22] <vbgunz> I can parse that ;)
[22:22] <vbgunz> I hope this works!
[22:28] <JohnMM> is it just me or does gutsy's edition of kde4 seem to be missing most of these features: http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-183063-1.html ? :(
[22:28] <flipstar> what do you miss ?
[22:29] <JohnMM> look at the features on that page ...most of them don't seem to be available in gutsy's kde4
[22:29] <JohnMM> I've done a apt-cache search krunner and that doesn't even seem to exist
[22:29] <tekteen> JohnMM: none of the keyboard shortcuts work
[22:29] <JohnMM> tekteen, so then how do you access the features?
[22:29] <tekteen> and many widgets are missing
[22:29] <tekteen> no idea
[22:30] <JohnMM> will this be fixed in the upcoming kubuntu release?
[22:30] <tekteen> get the livecd
[22:30] <tekteen> yes
[22:30] <JohnMM> ok cool
[22:30] <JohnMM> btw, no need for the livecd ...I've already upgraded my gutsy installation to kde4
[22:30] <JohnMM> :)
[22:30] <tekteen> me too
[22:30] <flipstar> "Kickoff menu at lower left, which provides quick access to favorite applications, the new Dolphin file manager at upper left, and the new System Settings interface toward the right" .. its all there..
[22:30] <tekteen> but more stuff works
[22:31] <tekteen> the livecd is better
[22:31] <JohnMM> I see the dolphin file manager and transparent windows but that's about it :(
[22:31] <tekteen> I like the comic widget
[22:31] <flipstar> hm im running hardy..
[22:32] <JohnMM> like the bleeding edge eh flipstar ?
[22:32] <JohnMM> I'll wait for hardy to come out officially, looks like a release to look forward to :D
[22:32] <flipstar> yes it still rocks
[22:33] <JohnMM> in the meantime, I suppose the transparent effects and dolphin will have to do
[22:33] <JohnMM> (unless I get adventurous and compile kde from source :D)
[22:33] <tekteen> I do not like the kde composite effects
[22:33] <tekteen> they hurt my eyes
[22:33] <JohnMM> they're a little laggy on my mac mini
[22:34] <tekteen> I like compiz though
[22:34] <tekteen> JohnMM: they are always laggy
[22:34] <JohnMM> but I suppose it's to be expected that those special effects would lag on a mac mini due to its integrated gfx
[22:34] <JohnMM> tekteen, ah
[22:34] <tekteen> that is why they hurt my eyes
[22:34] <JohnMM> haha
[22:34] <tekteen> compiz works though
[22:35] <tekteen> just has less WM features
[22:35] <JohnMM> ok
[22:35] <JohnMM> thanks for the info :)
[22:36] <fivetwentysix> How do I get alt to stop doing what it's doing
[22:36] <fivetwentysix> Like when I play warcraft 3 it prevents me from clicking while holding alt
[22:36] <tekteen> what is it doing
[22:36] <fivetwentysix> How do I disable the modifier keys
[22:39] <fivetwentysix> Anyone?
[22:39] <grul> alt makes you move the windows you click on
[22:40] <intelikey> fivetwentysix & grul that is an xorg thang    however it may be possable to disable it from kcontrol,   i have never wanted to.
[22:40] <grul> fivetwentysix, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=315350
[22:40] <grul> i suppose it's the same problem
[22:42] <fivetwentysix> thanks
[22:42] <fivetwentysix> But that's a solution for gnome users :-(
[22:42] <fivetwentysix> I need the KDE solution hehe
[22:43] <flipstar> did you looked at systemsettings-->keyboard-->shortcuts ?
[22:44] <fivetwentysix> flipstar yes
[22:44] <grul> fivetwentysix, kcontrol-> Desktop-> Window Behavior-> Window Actions-> Modifier key
[22:45] <grul> i just copied from ubuntuforus, so i haven't tested it myself :p i'm currently in windows
[22:45] <intelikey> fivetwentysix did you try what that post mentioned    super alt click ?
[22:45] <fivetwentysix> Windows actions?
[22:46] <fivetwentysix> intelikey doesn't matter there is no preferences menu in kde
[22:46] <intelikey> ?
[22:46] <intelikey> has nothing to do with kde
[22:46] <intelikey> it's simply modifying the modifier at the time.
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> simply go to
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> Code:
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> System -> Preferences -> Windows
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> that's from the post
[22:47] <gregor> gn8 guys
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> If I can actually change my modifier key
[22:47] <fivetwentysix> that would be perfect
[22:47] <intelikey> so is " ==> WIN+ALT+Click does the trick!"
[22:48] <fivetwentysix> ok
[22:48] <fivetwentysix> So tell me
[22:48] <fivetwentysix> How do I do that
[22:48] <fivetwentysix> In KDE
[22:48] <intelikey> you press the two keys   and the mouse button......
[22:49] <fivetwentysix> Oh ok
[22:49] <fivetwentysix> But I want to change the alt modifier to use win instead of alt
[22:50] <intelikey> khotkeys
[22:50] <fivetwentysix> No such package.
[22:51] <intelikey> package ?
[22:51] <intelikey> alt+f2  type in   khotkeys
[22:52] <fivetwentysix> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[22:52] <fivetwentysix> lol
[22:52] <intelikey> heh.  oh well.
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> Can't get it to run
[22:53] <tekteen> you can use it in system settings
[22:53] <intelikey> try in a konsole so you can see the error message
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> That's what i did
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> and that's the error message
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> anyways
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> Nothing in system settings
[22:53] <fivetwentysix> allows me to change the modifier keys
[22:54] <intelikey> oh yuch.  that's all it said... ?
[22:54] <tekteen> system settings > Accessibillity
[22:54] <tekteen> Input Actions
[22:54] <tekteen> fivetwentysix: click new group
[22:55] <holo> hi
[22:55] <tekteen> holo: hi
[22:55] <fivetwentysix> ok
[22:56] <awen_> that's impressive... just stubled upon http://www.haiku-os.org/
[22:56] <fivetwentysix> This is what I want to do, I want to configure X so that it doesn't use alt as my modifier key instead it uses win+alt
[22:56] <tekteen> ok
[22:56] <awen_> boots in qemu (no kvm) in less than 20 seconds including graphical interface and starting a virtual terminal... beating my ubuntu server under same conditions
[22:56] <tekteen> thatnm
[22:56] <tekteen> nm
[22:57] <Tm_T> awen_: ok
[22:57] <fivetwentysix> Who knows how to do this
[22:57] <Tm_T> fivetwentysix: I'm wondering why you want that
[22:57] <JoshOvki> have a look in system settings,  Keyboard & Mouse
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> I did!
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> And i can't change it
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> It won't let me
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> There's no prompt to change it
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> There's nothing you can do in System settings that allows me to change the modifier key mappings
[22:58] <awen_> fivetwentysix: it only lists the settings there... you will need to play with your xorg.conf
[22:58] <fivetwentysix> It doesn't say anything about it in xorg.conf
[22:59]  * awen_ can't remember the exact syntax
[22:59] <intelikey> five as i said there is probably a way in kcontrol...  kcontrol > desktop > window behaviour > modifier button
[22:59] <goop2> I deleted my xorg.conf file and now the 'Moniter & Display' section of 'System Settings' doesn't do anything
[22:59] <intelikey> oh it's in the "window action" tab
[22:59] <holo> i'm just starting using git. My project is shared among two individuals. Me and another guy. Each one has its own repository, so its not centralized. I thought about creating a project specific unix account in each of the tow machines. but this poses a problem: when one wants to edit a file in this account with a x window editor, one has problems with displays if using a other unix account for loging into the x window manager. So my question
[22:59] <holo> is if there is a way of having non-unix accounts
[23:00] <JoshOvki> goop2: im surprised that your xserver is starting at all
[23:00] <intelikey> JoshOvki it probably wont
[23:00] <goop2> JoshOvki: it didn't before I deleted it
[23:00] <goop2> JoshOvki: now it does
[23:00] <holo> oops.. wrong channel
[23:00] <holo> sorry guys
[23:00] <intelikey> goop2 where was the file you deleted ?
[23:00] <fivetwentysix> JoshOvki: if X doesn't find xorg.conf it creates a new one
[23:01] <JoshOvki> ah ok, that makes sence
[23:01] <goop2> intelikey /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:01] <intelikey> goop2 and is that file there now ?
[23:01] <fivetwentysix> Please someone tell me how to remove alt as a modifier key.
[23:01] <fivetwentysix> Or modify the modifier keys.
[23:01] <intelikey> fivetwentysix i just did.  for kde3.x  use kcontrol
[23:02] <Tm_T> fivetwentysix: I wonder why, mind to explain?
[23:02] <intelikey> five as i said there is probably a way in kcontrol...  kcontrol > desktop > window behaviour > in the 'window actions tab' modifier button
[23:02] <fivetwentysix> Tm_T It doesn't handle the way I want it to in windows applications.
[23:02] <goop2> intelikey: I have xorg.conf.1, 2, and 3, and a xorg.conf backup file
[23:02] <Tm_T> fivetwentysix: you mean what exactly?
[23:03] <fivetwentysix> It combines the alt effect with windows applications' alt effect
[23:03] <Tm_T> what alt effect?
[23:04] <intelikey> goop2 well you can    sudo dpkg-recongirure xserver-xorg -phigh    to regenerate the default xorg.conf it needed.
[23:04] <fivetwentysix> intelikey: What does meta mean?
[23:04] <fivetwentysix> intelikey: Anyways it worked thank you so much, I've been pondering over this problem for a while!
[23:05] <goop2> intelikey: sweet - thanks
[23:07] <hola1> how is it possibile to share a ppp0 interface with a virtual interface
[23:07] <intelikey> fivetwentysix http://www.linuxhq.com/guides/LUG/node86.html
[23:08] <goop2> intelikey: it said I don't have the xorg.conf file
[23:08] <intelikey> hola1 you could bridge the two maybe ?   but it's probably a beter idea to just make the ppp0 the default gateway
[23:09] <intelikey> goop2 ?   sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;sudo dpkg-recongirure xserver-xorg -phigh
[23:11] <intelikey> errr typo
[23:11] <intelikey> goop2 ?   sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[23:11] <goop2> recongirure =P
[23:11] <goop2> I already fixed it
[23:11] <intelikey> sssh don't tell anyont.
[23:12] <intelikey> ;/
[23:12] <goop2> =P
[23:12]  * intelikey 's fingures are dyslexic today.
[23:13] <goop2> hehe
[23:15] <Goop2> that worked after all.. sweet
[23:15] <Goop2> only that created another problem
[23:15] <Goop2> my old resolution feels huge =P
[23:16] <intelikey> better than the "fonts too small to read" thing that kubuntu is noted for.
[23:16] <niall_> has flash been fixed yet?
[23:16] <intelikey> !flash
[23:16] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:16] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[23:16] <intelikey> if so the bot don't know it yet
[23:16] <niall_> ;/
[23:16] <niall_> they need to get their asses in gear
[23:17] <niall_> i'm totally back in web 1.0
[23:17] <intelikey> yes and thier mules also
[23:17] <niall_> but without the flash ;o
[23:17] <Goop2> intelikey: well that's why it feels so big :\
[23:18] <intelikey> Goop2 oh.    thought you meant large lettering.    what i do is adj all fonts size to about 14   usually makes it look right.
[23:19] <intelikey> kcontrol > look+feel > fonts    i think
[23:19] <hola1> intelikey: default gateway for host or client?
[23:19] <Goop2> intelikey: well it used to seem fine, so I should be able to just get used to it again
[23:19] <intelikey> hola1 the default gw for the host needs to be the outside connection.  and for the client the host box
[23:20] <matttis> Does GOK work under KDE ?
[23:20] <Goop2> anyway, I have to go eat
[23:20] <Goop2> later peeps
[23:20] <intelikey> Goop2 k.     and i don't know why the default font size for all fonts is 9 in kubuntu.
[23:21] <hola1> intelikey: sorry, im a beginner. For the virtual interface which could be the gw
[23:22] <intelikey> the ppp0 connection
[23:22] <intelikey> back in a few.  have to run.
[23:24] <matttis> Does the Gnome on-screen keyboard (gok) work under KDE ?
[23:26] <vzduch> matttis: why not?  apart from KDE having its own iiac
[23:27] <hola1> which is the differrent between netmask <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>?
[23:28] <matttis> vzduch: how is it called ?
[23:29] <vzduch> no idea, never used it
[23:29] <matttis> vzduch: when i press the buttons of gok, nothng happened
[23:29] <vzduch> you might want to look in Kcontrol under Accessibility
[23:29] <matttis> is it because i have a keyboard attached ?
[23:33] <xevious-> does anyone know if it's possible to empty the trash with a dcop call or anything at the command line?
[23:35] <Goop2> matttis: try Kvkbd
[23:35] <matttis> Goop2: cool, thx
[23:45] <Willabee> Hey
[23:46] <Willabee> I'm running shockwave through firefox on WINE, but firefox freezes whenever I close a tab that uses shockwave
[23:46] <matttis> with that i can learn dvorak
[23:46] <Willabee> Is there any way to fix or is it just from incompatibility issues?
[23:47] <matttis> why do you use firefox with wine ?
[23:47] <Willabee> so I can use shockwave
[23:47] <Goop2> I used Tux Typing to learn Dvorak
[23:48] <shaffy> can anyone help me as to why OpenOffice Word Processor does not print dashes or quotes when the work is exported to PDF or even directly printed?
[23:48] <matttis> Goop2: well, i need a hardware keyboard layout, before i really can start learning dvorak
[23:49] <Goop2> matttis: I had a spare keyboard that I popped the keys out of =P
[23:49] <matttis> Goop2: well, maybe i'll try that too :-)
[23:50] <matttis> Willabee: if i remember correct, there is a shockwave plugin for linux ?
[23:50] <matttis> s/?/.
[23:50] <Tm_T> there is NOT
[23:50] <Willabee> there's flash, but not shockwave
[23:52] <matttis> Goop2: do you think it is better to use dvorak instead of the default layout ? Is it worth to learn dvorak ?
[23:52] <Goop2> shockwave is outdated.. they never made a Linux version before Flash came out
[23:52] <Willabee> I do language learning online, and the website uses shockwave
[23:52] <Goop2> matttis: Dvorak is more ergonomical, making it a bit faster too
[23:53] <andreas> hello
[23:53] <andreas> i want to locate the executable of kate
[23:53] <andreas> how do i do that?
[23:53] <Goop2> matttis: the keys are arranged to make the most commonly used ones in the easiest places
[23:53] <andreas> there is a command
[23:54] <olskolirc> how come I can't load kdm themes to my kdm manager please?  nothing shows up
[23:54] <matttis> andreas: whereis kate
[23:54] <olskolirc> im on Gutsy
[23:54] <Dragnslcr> andreas- or "which kate"
[23:54] <andreas> thx
[23:54] <Dr_willis> olskolirc,  how did you install these themes? or you mean you cant install kdm themes?
[23:54] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[23:54] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[23:55] <matttis> Goop2: how long did it take you to learn dvorak and can you "switch" between both if you want ?
[23:55] <albert> hey
[23:55] <olskolirc> I can't install them in the kdm theme manager.  I downloaded them from kde-look Dr_willis
[23:55] <olskolirc> I can't install kdm themes Dr_willis
[23:56] <Goop2> matttis: I learned it in a couple days, and I haven't learned QWERTY, but there really isn't any reason you couldn't switch between..
[23:56] <Dr_willis> olskolirc,  uncompress them and look at the files. Some times they got different layouts.
[23:56] <Willabee> Never learned QWERTY?
[23:56] <Goop2> matttis: it's like going from a BMX to a street bike
[23:56] <olskolirc> what am i looking for Dr_willis
[23:56] <Willabee> What'd you use before dvorak?  or just always used?
[23:56] <Goop2> Willabee: I pecked a qwerty
[23:56] <matttis> Goop2: well, i thought one could confuse it
[23:57] <shaffy> can anyone help me as to why OpenOffice Word Processor does not print dashes or quotes when the work is exported to PDF or even directly printed?
[23:57] <Goop2> matttis: not really. most people say they can go between the 2 without a problem
[23:57] <Dr_willis> olskolirc,  uncompress the archive look in the files. ive seen so many messed up nested archives from kde-look.org its scary
[23:58] <matttis> ok, well, one reason more to learn it :-)
[23:58] <Dr_willis> I though tin the past ive just dragged/dropped kdm theme archives to the kdmtheme tool
[23:58] <Goop2> :D
[23:58] <olskolirc> i see two png files in one and a themerc file in another
[23:58] <olskolirc> in the same folder rather
[23:58] <Willabee> you install with the .tar.gz I believe
[23:59] <matttis> good night


[00:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: is there a dbus way to send that to systemd?
[00:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Not that I know of?
[00:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I'm thinking: https://trstringer.com/python-systemd-dbus/
[00:32] <OvenWerks> The problem is finding the right command
[00:32] <OvenWerks> I would like to get away from spawning processes.
[00:40] <Eickmeyer> I hear ya.
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That's the result I found too.
[00:43] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: There's a whole systemd binding for python:  python3-systemd, in main, installed by default
[00:45] <OvenWerks> is that the same as: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/python-systemd/journal.html
[00:45] <OvenWerks> sorry take the journal part off
[00:45] <Eickmeyer> Looks like it.
[00:56] <OvenWerks> half way down the page: https://pi3g.com/2020/08/01/enabling-and-disabling-a-systemd-service-in-python-using-dbus/
[00:56] <OvenWerks> Under enable and start
[00:57] <OvenWerks> I don't need the enable part
[16:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls/commit/354df644a4b73090e82d73a3935d2a05c6ff0731
[18:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: be careful to keep to the 2.3.1-fix branch, master is not ready yet (well it needs testing and applying tracking errors fixes to)
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ack
[18:16] <OvenWerks> also the fix branch is just bugfixes, master is more
[18:16] <Eickmeyer> Makes sense.


[00:00] <Saviq> robru, as you can see in https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-041-1-build/build none of them were canceled today, all failed
[00:00] <Saviq> but meh
[00:01] <robru> Saviq: wow, that's bizarre, the first failure is merge conflict, the second failure is the one about the file existing. makes no sense, the first failure about the merge conflict happens before that file gets created
[00:02] <Saviq> robru, yeah, real weird
[00:07] <Saviq> ok /me falls over
[00:07] <Saviq> o/
[00:07] <Saviq> see you in a week and a bit
[00:23] <robru> Saviq: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1105 uh, that's a terrifying status. some stuff in proposed, some in release, some still building?
[00:24] <robru> Saviq: please tell me somebody's gonna follow that up in your absense
[00:25] <robru> oh I guess the stuff you copied in from another silo got published from the other silo
[00:25] <robru> here I was thinking this silo was half published


[01:05] <brandini> chatty in here tonight
[03:00] <tgall_foo> ogra_, slangasek : is it going to be possible to get some sponsorship love for libjpeg-turbo that's in revu?
[07:14] <lag> Daviey: You're lucky you found _one_ person who would room with you ;)
[07:24] <twb> SWMBO?
[11:39] <ogra_> tgall_foo, whats the reason for using that old debhelper version =
[11:39] <ogra_> ?
[17:09] <brandini> is the daily from today worth downloading and installing?
[17:09] <brandini> it'd be great to see what changed between those builds somewhere
[17:33] <GrueMaster> brandini: You can also just do a "sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to find out.  On a daily basis, this can be much quicker, especially after Thursday when we go into final freeze.  After that, it is critical bug fixes only.
[17:46] <infinity> brandini: Unless you're looking for installer changes, there's probably no point in new dailies (or even the final release), just upgrading should be fine.
[17:46] <infinity> brandini: On the other hand, if you want to help make sure the installation media is in good shape, please do. ;)
[17:54] <brandini> infinity: both mostly
[17:54] <brandini> :)
[17:55] <brandini> but back to my original question... is it good? :P
[17:56] <infinity> Dunno, haven't used it.
[17:56] <brandini> :)
[17:56] <brandini> ok, here I go
[18:06] <brandini> updated and rebooting
[18:07] <prpplague> GrueMaster: i really should build more of my panda netbooks
[18:08] <GrueMaster> Yes, and send one to me.  :P
[18:09] <prpplague> GrueMaster: with all the new omap4 devices coming out, i would how economical it would be to build some....
[18:09] <brandini> prpplague: got pictures?
[18:09] <prpplague> http://www.elinux.org/PandaBoard_Netbook
[18:10] <brandini> my friend is building one of those, would you be interested in doing one for him?
[18:11] <prpplague> hehe, i would love to build some more, simple don't have the time
[18:11]  * prpplague tries to remember a quote from roscoe brown in the cowboys
[18:13] <brandini> time is money?
[18:13] <brandini> is it possible to turn off wifi/bt from the command line?
[18:13] <brandini> I don't use them and I'd like to disable them
[18:14] <prpplague> yea if you export the gpio controls
[18:14] <sniperjo_> whats the best way to install dependancies on a chroot environment?
[18:14]  * brandini looks up the gpio controls
[18:19] <brandini> prpplague: in bsd we have soft and hard switches to control them
[18:32] <sniperjo_> I'm desperately trying to get lucy running on an omap device, not beagle!  it comes with angstrom. I've swapped the rootfs between the two and it boots up to "Starting GPE display manager" and hangs, any ideas ?
[18:34] <GrueMaster> lucy?
[18:36] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: oops, think i probably meant lucid!
[18:36] <GrueMaster> Why do you want Lucid?  It was only a tech preview on omap3.
[18:36] <GrueMaster> And it is due to drop support next month for armel.
[18:37] <GrueMaster> (18 month support cycle for ports).
[18:37] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: because apparently it will work the best with the old kernel that works with angstrom
[18:42] <GrueMaster> I take it you had issues with ubuntu core?
[18:42] <infinity> How old is this kernel you're using?
[18:42] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: I'm not going to lie… I've had issues with everything
[18:43] <infinity> New userspace should work fine with old kernels, generally.
[18:52] <sniperjo_> infinity , GrueMaster " its 2.6.32
[18:54] <GrueMaster> sniperjo_: I have used 2.6.31 on a different system (Dove) and had it boot into an oneiric rootfs, so it does work.
[18:54]  * martyn has just booted an oneric rootfs
[18:56] <GrueMaster> sniperjo_: What are you currently booting from?  SD?  eMMC/Flash?
[18:56] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: SD
[18:56] <GrueMaster> Ok, how is the SD partitioned?   And do you have a spare SD 4G (or bigger)?
[18:57] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: i have a 4gb
[18:57] <GrueMaster> That can be wiped?
[18:57] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: partitioned as their sdcard config script does, one boot, one rootfs
[18:57] <sniperjo_> yup
[18:58] <GrueMaster> Ok, clone your working SD onto your spare SD.
[19:01] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: ok done!
[19:01] <GrueMaster> Make sure the spare boots.
[19:04] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: it works
[19:05] <GrueMaster> Ok, power off, and move the SD to your PC.  BTW, what are you running on your PC?
[19:05] <sniperjo_> ubuntu netbook, 2.6.32-33
[19:06] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Old, but ok.
[19:06] <GrueMaster> On the netbook, insert the SD, but make sure it is unmounted.
[19:07] <sniperjo_> ok
[19:07] <GrueMaster> What drive is it (/dev/mmcblk0, /dev/sdb, etc)?
[19:07] <sniperjo_> sdb
[19:09] <GrueMaster> Ok, no format the second (rootfs) partition with "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb2" (no quotes).
[19:12] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: ok, done
[19:14] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Now, do you have a copy of ubuntu-core?  If not, "wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ubuntu-core-11.10-beta2-core-armel.tar.gz"
[19:15] <sniperjo_> i have ed2e64d339cb4fc89c8965e6717d6d3e  oneiric-core-armel.tar.gz
[19:16] <GrueMaster> Looks like it is the same one.
[19:16] <GrueMaster> In the directory where that tarball is, make a mnt directory "mkdir mnt".
[19:17] <sniperjo_> ok
[19:18] <GrueMaster> Now, "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 mnt"
[19:18] <sniperjo_> ya
[19:18] <GrueMaster> Next, "cd mnt" followed by "sudo tar -zxvf ../oneiric-core-armel.tar.gz"
[19:19] <GrueMaster> That should finish rewriting your rootfs with the ubuntu-core.
[19:19] <sniperjo_> yup
[19:19] <GrueMaster> ok, "cd .. ; sudo umount mnt"
[19:19] <GrueMaster> Wait for it to flush any cache writes.
[19:20] <GrueMaster> Then try that SD in your system.
[19:23] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: ok, it has a massive spas out on udevd[2861]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented
[19:23] <sniperjo_> as in it just keeps on repeating it
[19:24] <GrueMaster> hmm.
[19:24] <sniperjo_> also a modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[19:25] <GrueMaster> That is to be expected at the moment.  No kernel in ubuntu-core rootfs.
[19:25] <GrueMaster> It should still give you some sort of prompt.
[19:25] <GrueMaster> Is this serial console or on screen?
[19:26] <sniperjo_> http://pastebin.com/ukRiFiaB
[19:26] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: Serial console.
[19:28] <GrueMaster> ok.  need to make a tweek to the rootfs.  Shut it down and move the SD back to your netbook.
[19:28] <sniperjo_> ok, unmount ?
[19:29] <GrueMaster> mounted.
[19:29] <sniperjo_> good to go!
[19:30] <GrueMaster> ok.  Easiest is to do the work in a terminal.  cd to the mount point.
[19:30] <GrueMaster> and cd etc
[19:31] <sniperjo_> yup
[19:31] <GrueMaster> then type "sudo cp init/tty2.conf init/ttyO2.conf
[19:32] <sniperjo_> yup
[19:32] <GrueMaster> then "sudo vi init/ttyO2.conf" and change "exec /sbin/getty -8 38400 tty2" to "exec /sbin/getty -L ttyO2 115200"
[19:35] <sniperjo_> yup
[19:35] <GrueMaster> Save, cd away, unmount and reboot.
[19:36] <GrueMaster> See if that gives to a console shell.
[19:37] <sniperjo_> no looked like their might of been a longer pause, but then same error
[19:37] <sniperjo_> udevd[2861]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented
[19:37] <GrueMaster> Does hitting enter on the serial console bring up anything?
[19:38] <GrueMaster> What is the kernel cmdline?
[19:38] <GrueMaster> (scroll up to see).
[19:39] <sniperjo_> enter does nothing and
[19:40] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: where am i meant to be looking ?
[19:40] <sniperjo_> for uboot ?
[19:41] <GrueMaster> As the system boots, after "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel."
[19:43] <sniperjo_> err "Linux version 2.6.32 (root@edward-desktop) (gcc version 4.4.1 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2010q1-202) ) #20 Fri Aug 6 13:54:51 CST 2010" ? its all on http://pastebin.com/ukRiFiaB
[19:43] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster:  Kernel command line: console=ttyS2,115200n8 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootfstype=ext3 rootwait
[19:43] <sniperjo_> sorry, diddnt see it
[19:43] <GrueMaster> Got it.  Ok, need to reedit.
[19:44] <sniperjo_> ok I'm back in ect
[19:44] <sniperjo_> etc even
[19:44] <GrueMaster> excellent.
[19:44] <GrueMaster> Ok, "sudo mv init/ttyO2.conf init/ttyS2.conf"
[19:45] <GrueMaster> Then "sudo vi init/ttyS2.conf" and replace ttyO2 with ttyS2.
[19:46] <GrueMaster> That "should" now give you either a terminal or a login on the serial console.
[19:48] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: still the same
[19:49] <GrueMaster> pressing enter should give you something.
[19:50] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: still the same
[19:51] <GrueMaster> Are you using the keyboard on the serial-console system or a keyboard attached to the test system?  use the serial-console system.
[19:51] <sniperjo_> still have "udevd[2861]: unable to receive ctrl connection: Function not implemented" that comes up 15x a sec, and pressing enter just adds a like between wherever it is printing
[19:52] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: yes, its all going through a modem
[19:52] <sniperjo_> & minicom
[19:52] <GrueMaster> modem?
[19:52] <sniperjo_> well, usb / serial adapter
[19:52] <sniperjo_> lol
[19:53] <GrueMaster> Ok.  BIGGGG difference.  :P
[19:53] <GrueMaster> Lose minicom.  It is a pita.
[19:53] <sniperjo_> i had some awful belikin thing before which was one
[19:53] <GrueMaster> Just type "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200"
[19:54] <GrueMaster> That should give you a better serial console.
[19:54] <sniperjo_> ok, but its still the same !
[19:54]  * infinity glares at sys/ucontext.h on ARM.
[19:55] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Next we will need to disable udevd.  Shut down and prepare to edit while I look at my systems.
[19:56] <sniperjo_> ok, thanks so much
[19:57] <GrueMaster> Looks like we can just edit etc/init/udev.conf.  Comment out the "exec udevd --daemon by adding a # to the beginning of the line.
[19:58] <sniperjo_> ok, and try again ?
[19:59] <GrueMaster> yep
[20:02] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: ok, so by the looks of it now, its just stopped before where the udev would start spamming it , enter does nothing
[20:03] <GrueMaster> hmmm.
[20:06] <GrueMaster> Not sure what the issue is now.  I'll muck with some stuff here on a different system and see if I can recreate the environment.  But first, I need food (haven't eaten all day).
[20:07] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: ok, that would be amazing
[20:07] <sniperjo_> thanks for your help again!
[20:12] <GrueMaster> sniperjo_: One other thing, you might want to keep and eye on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/PBlueprintIdeas.  One of the blueprints for next cycle is to help enable other consumer devices.  For the most part, yours may be failrly simple (like patching u-boot & kernel to ID your board).
[20:13] <GrueMaster> If you can make it to Orlando Florida the first week of November, you can discuss it in person, otherwise you can monitor the sessions in IRC and comment where appropriate.
[20:14] <sniperjo_> i'd love to, but its a bit far !
[20:14] <GrueMaster> Getting full support for your system in Oneiric is unfortunately not going to happen.  We have final freeze Thursday, with only critical updates after that.
[20:15] <GrueMaster> But I can try to help a little as time allows.
[20:15] <GrueMaster> For now, lunch.
[20:15] <sniperjo_> GrueMaster: yea thats great, I'm only really looking for something that will play nice with chromium and mplayer at the moment!
[23:22] <rsalveti> http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/26/amazon-kindle-fire/
[23:22] <rsalveti> wow, everything is omap now :-)
[23:22] <rsalveti> probably omap 4
[23:36] <GrueMaster> Would explain why pandas are hard to buy.


[12:19] <bryyce> heya
[12:19] <bryyce> tepsipakki: I'm going to try working on seeing if I can get xserver 1.3 merged
[06:55] <tepsipakki> bryce_: ok, there are some patches that were applied in 1.2 that can be dropped
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #96470 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "7.04 beta upgrade: proprietary driver in use, but not upgraded -> xorg fails to start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96470
[10:21] <bryce_> tepsipakki: got a question for you
[10:21] <bryce_> there is one patch we see to set the RANDR_[MAJOR|MINOR]  to 1.1
[10:22] <bryce_> however it does not apply to current head, since the code has shifted to a different file
[10:22] <bryce_> but we're wondering if this patch is even still needed
[10:22] <bryce_> (patch 125)
[10:24] <tepsipakki> not needed anymore
[10:25] <tepsipakki> likewise patches 129, 130
[10:26] <bryce_> ah, ok - that's how it was looking to us too.  thanks
[10:26] <tepsipakki> 128 too
[10:27] <tepsipakki> and 127
[10:27] <bryce_> cool
[10:27] <tepsipakki> also, check if the  -fno-stack-protector flag is still needed
[10:28] <tepsipakki> I remember mdz doing that change last july
[10:28] <keescook> whee
[10:28] <bryce_> heya kees
[10:29] <keescook> hiya tepsipakki, bryce_
[10:29] <tepsipakki> hi keescook :)
[10:29] <tepsipakki> bryce_: bug 54650
[10:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 54650 in gcc-4.1 "GCC SSP breaks xorg-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54650
[10:29] <Mithrandir> good morning, mr Cook
[10:29] <keescook> so, I haven't looked at the -fno-stack-protector bits yet, but I'm hoping we can apply it only to the parts of the build that need it
[10:29] <keescook> Mr Heen!
[10:32] <tepsipakki> bryce_: patch 131 is the one that would make vesa work for r5xx again, together with dropping the fedora patch for vesa (ajax told me they both are needed, but in fact the vesa patch is broken and should be dropped)
[10:32] <bryce_> 131?
[10:33] <tepsipakki> oops
[10:33] <keescook> 131 is for xcmisc overflows (and can be dropped)
[10:33] <tepsipakki> sorry, it's only on my tree :)
[10:33] <keescook> hehe
[10:33] <bryce_> ahh
[10:33] <tepsipakki> for folks testing it
[10:35] <tepsipakki> keescook: about ssp, you mean that drop that flag and patch the sources where needed?
[10:35] <keescook> tepsipakki: actually, I mean, instead of disabling it for the entire build, just disable it where we have to.  (though I'm not sure where it failed before; I haven't checked yet)
[10:36] <keescook> so, hopefully adjust only the debian/rules, but perhaps the Makefile.  :(
[10:36] <tepsipakki> bryce_: I've made a list of the xorg situation, see http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/xorg/merges.txt
[10:36] <tepsipakki> keescook: oh, ok
[10:37] <bryce_> tepsipakki: btw, last night alex and jesse got xrandr 1.2 working on radeon, so their laptops work perfectly with the uds projector :-)
[10:37] <tepsipakki> yeah, saw that one, rocking
[10:37] <bryce_> tepsipakki: aha, excellent!
[10:37] <tepsipakki> bryce_: there are a lot of packages which can't be synced because of differing tarballs
[10:37] <tepsipakki> well, not that many actually
[10:38] <tepsipakki> but most of the protos
[10:38] <tepsipakki> which are very rarely updated :)
[10:38] <tepsipakki> so, now we have ranrd-1.2 for intel, nv and ati
[10:39] <tepsipakki> which is like 90+% of all
[10:39] <bryce_> kewl, I'm working on a script to make a list of the current upstream versions of all these packages
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #113278 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (main) "Touchpad default settings are horrible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113278
[10:40] <bryce_> hey, do you know anything about the xglxinit.c file that was modified by debian outside the debian/ dir?  There's also a kdrive/ tree that was imported that I'm curious about (mark was asking about it yesterday)
[10:42] <tepsipakki> I need to check
[10:45] <tepsipakki> hmm, I don't find xglxinit from the diff
[10:45] <bryce_> there weren't any conflicts, we were just curious about them
[10:47] <tepsipakki> looking at http://merges.ubuntu.com/x/xorg-server/xorg-server_2:1.2.0-3ubuntu8.patch there are no changes other than in debian/
[10:47] <bryce_>  xorg-server-<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg/hw/xgl/glx/xglxinit.c                                           |  172
[10:48] <bryce_> oh sorry, this is in the debian <IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg patch
[10:49] <bryce_> right, the last ubuntu release didn't have stuff outside the debian/ dir, so we were curious why debian put these two things there outside debian/
[10:49] <tepsipakki> maybe git-pulled some fixes
[10:51] <tepsipakki> hm, the history doesn't show any changes
[10:51] <bryce_> yeah
[10:58] <tepsipakki> dunno, maybe better ask them
[10:58] <bryce_> ok
[10:59] <tepsipakki> jcristau: still on vacation?-)
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #53919 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "NumLock key LED wrong (dup-of: 92482)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/53919
[11:18] <tepsipakki> bryce_: I'm following the bulletproof-x gobby, too bad voip doesn't work
[11:18] <bryce_> cool
[11:19] <tepsipakki> but I'm not comfortable at making changes when I don't know what you are discussing :)
[11:19] <tepsipakki> s/at/with/
[11:19] <bryce_> tepsipakki: sorry about that - the telephone seems to be on; we'll try hard to capture stuff into gobb
[11:19] <bryce_> go ahead and feel free to make changes
[11:20] <tepsipakki> yep, thanks
[11:22] <tepsipakki> dnusinow happened to say something about dumping xresprobe on #debian-x last night on
[11:22] <tepsipakki> I could paste that on the doc?
[11:23] <bryce_> please!
[11:26] <tepsipakki> there
[11:26] <tepsipakki> a bit of input-hotplug as well..
[11:26] <bryce_> cool, reading now
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #113307 in libxfont (main) "Please sync libxfont (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113307
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #112975 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "No CTRL-ALT-Fx terminal video with nvidia-glx-new driver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112975
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #111408 in Ubuntu "Cuelgue del sistema al inicializarse el protector de pantallas (dup-of: 43154)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111408
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #113344 in xorg (main) "[Feisty] Freeze of usb mouse while using keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113344
[04:31] <ubotu> New bug: #113348 in xorg (main) "Mobility Radeon 9000 has blank xorg.conf after Feisty install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113348
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #102509 in Ubuntu "Very sluggish mouse on a Macbook 2nd generation (Intel Core2 Duo) (dup-of: 28648)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102509
[06:48] <ubotu> New bug: #113369 in xorg (main) "feisty live cd ati mobility 9600 horizontal lines" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113369
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #113429 in xorg (main) "qemu crashes Xorg 7.2 in Feisty when switching to full screen mode (Ctl-Alt-F)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/113429
[10:41] <jcristau> tepsipakki: back now
[10:49] <jcristau> tepsipakki: most changes outside of debian/ are files which are in git but not in the tarballs
[10:51] <tepsipakki> yes, I understood it now
[10:52] <tepsipakki> just a mistake by upstream?
[11:00] <jcristau> that, or files which aren't used in the build anyway
[11:04] <tepsipakki> okay