[05:34] <romero126> did you switch to gnome ui when you logged in?
[05:34] <romero126> Theres a ubuntu icon next to your login. .. click that to change to kde/gnome/unity
[05:35] <Aaron_> i di,
[05:35] <Aaron_> i did, ;)
[05:35] <Aaron_> and is not working
[05:36] <fisher> Hello good people. Anyone familiar with JACK? I am having an issue where when I try to start the JACK server it tells me it cant acquire a device name. It is referencing this device: "hw:0" but hw:0 is my video card with HDMI. My sound car is hw:1. I tried correcting the problem with Qjackctl but I am still unable to start the JACK server
[05:40] <fisher> here is a pastebin of my message window. This is the information it provided when i try to start the JACK server and it fails.: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694498/
[05:42] <histo> !sound | fisher
[05:42] <fisher> thanks histo.. I'll check it out
[05:43] <segin> Hey guys, about my question?
[05:44] <segin> How do I get Ubuntu to broadcast a WPA-protected 802.11 access point?
[05:44] <segin> I had it working as an insecure access point via the Internet Connection Sharing features of NetworkManager.
[05:45] <segin> Please note that I am setting this up for a friend whose is two time zones away via ssh, so some things I will be unable to test.
[05:47] <romero127> There are alot of users here.
[05:47] <goosechaser_noob> they might be asleep
[05:48] <Aaron> true that,
[05:48] <Aaron> ;)
[05:49] <romero127> is there a way to load virtualbox vm from TTY6?
[05:49] <histo> romero127: virtualbox has cli apps
[05:49] <histo> romero127: VBoxManage etc....
[05:50] <histo> romero127: /j #virtualbox
[05:50] <segin> Is there a virtual package for installing Ubuntu Server on top of a pre-existing Ubuntu installation?
[05:51] <segin> !server
[05:51] <poisoned_dragon> I think the answer is no, segin.
[05:51] <histo> segin: I don't even thinkk there is a specific server kernel anymore unless they are using lowlatency or something.
[05:52] <poisoned_dragon> Especially if the server version has a custom kernel.
[05:52] <histo> segin: what is it you are trying to do?
[05:52] <segin> histo: Run a Ubuntu-based desktop as a Wi-Fi router with WPA encryption.
[05:52] <histo> poisoned_dragon: the kernel if there is one would be in the same repos as desktop repos
[05:52] <yayahow> where is offtopic
[05:52] <histo> segin: What does that have to do with ubuntu-server iso?
[05:53] <histo> !ics | segin
[05:53] <segin> histo: ...
[05:53] <yayahow> ubotu offtopic
[05:53] <segin> The normal NetworkManager connection sharing does not provide any user-visible options for encryption.
[05:53] <yayahow> segin use a VPN
[05:53] <segin> yayahow: For a LAN?
[05:54] <yayahow> you can also configure it to "share"
[05:54] <yayahow> xD
[05:54] <segin> It's very useful if you're in the boonies where you don't have freeloader neighbours
[05:54] <poisoned_dragon> ubottu, he doesn't want ICS. He's looking for a means to encrypt in hotspot mode.
[05:54] <yayahow> you would need a second connection
[05:54] <segin> poisoned_dragon: Yes, thank you.
[05:54] <yayahow> ubottu offtopic
[05:54] <poisoned_dragon> Lulz! I'll remember that, ubottu :)
[05:54] <segin> yayahow: Like a Ethernet connection directly into a DOCSIS modem?
[05:54] <histo> segin: let me see if I can find you documentation
[05:55] <segin> yayahow: The Ubuntu machine in question is already doing ICS for the LAN.
[05:55] <yayahow> uh the lan connection itself is a docsis connection...i'm saying in order to share a wifi or lan connection, another device needs to be in the pc...a 2nd lan or wifi device...that's the only way to share
[05:56] <histo> segin: there are security options in network manager btw
[05:56] <yayahow> another pc can not connect or share anything without a dedicated device.
[05:57] <histo> yayahow: He understands what you are saying. He has a lan connection to the docsis modem and wants to use the wifi card to create a hotspot nothing else is needed
[05:57] <yayahow> a vpn may be able to setup a virtual device to work around this though.
[05:57] <yayahow> oh cool
[05:58] <histo> segin: http://www.techienote.com/2011/12/create-hotspot-in-ubuntu-11-10.html here are pictures from 11.10 should be the same places in network manager
[05:58] <maven> It seems that the font hinting make a different look and feel in different application . What is the problem? Can someone check this?  http://pasteboard.co/1A7FTpb9.png
[05:58] <liquidmetal> codinghorror.com is a fun blog to read
[05:59] <liquidmetal> does anyone know other similar blogs? (programming oriented)
[05:59] <histo> !ot | liquidmetal
[06:00] <liquidmetal> :'(
[06:00] <maven> Anyone can spare any time on my question?
[06:02] <Aaron> !tell maven about ask
[06:03] <segin> histo: We're using Lubuntu on this machine as it's a desktop/server hybrid and LXDE has the lowest resource use, and as such, we have a different GUI front end to NetworkManager. What package is the standard Ubuntu frontend in?
[06:05] <histo> segin: are you using network manager or wicd?
[06:05] <segin> How would I be able to tell the difference?
[06:05] <histo> segin: dpkg -l | grep network-manager
[06:05] <histo> segin: or dpkg -l | grep wicd
[06:06] <segin> It'
[06:06] <segin> It's NetworkManager, except it's not the GUI frontend shown on that page
[06:06] <poisoned_dragon> maven: That might be currently normal. It just looks like the font is not in bold type in the drop down menu, even though it looks like it is in the applications menu. There might be a setting to change that.
[06:07] <segin> It's the "old" GNOME one from before Unity.
[06:08] <histo> segin: can you paste a picture?
[06:08] <histo> !paste | segin
[06:08] <segin> ...
[06:08] <segin> I know how to paste a picture. I'm far from new to Linux or networking.
[06:09] <segin> I've just never tried to use a PC as an access point.
[06:10] <maven> poisoned_dragon: I think the menu under the application menu is not in bold also. Both of them is not in bold type. And the font inside the firefox looks lighter than that of application menu. It is normal yesterday. The difference happened after  I install and remove the kde-desktop.
[06:10] <segin> histo: http://ompldr.org/vaTFwcA/2013-04-10-010945_1280x800_scrot.png
[06:12] <segin> histo: I'm not physically at the machine I am configuring; it's a thousand miles away, and I'm remotely administering it via SSH for someone else, however, it uses the same Lubuntu desktop base as my local machine.
[06:14] <maletor> does it make sense to partition both harddrives (boot and home) as gpt or is gpt something that only makes sense for boot drive?
[06:14] <segin> maletor: Is your firmware (U)EFI or BIOS?
[06:14] <maletor> former
[06:14] <segin> Then don't use GPT.
[06:14] <segin> At least, not on the boot drive.
[06:14] <maletor> former means it's uefi -- i'm pretty sure i want gpt
[06:15] <segin> Oh.
[06:15] <segin> Sorry, yes,
[06:15] <segin> Use EFI on the boot drive.
[06:15] <maletor> i will
[06:15] <maletor> my question is does it make sense to partition both harddrives (boot and home) as gpt or is gpt something that only makes sense for boot drive?
[06:15] <segin> Define "makes sense".
[06:16] <maletor> i guess you're right, it's basically just going to house /var /home and swap
[06:16] <segin> If /home is on a separate physical disk, then it truly does not matter what partitioning scheme you use on that drive.
[06:16] <maletor> right, so gpt would be a good choice, because it's newer?
[06:17] <segin> Well, it actually does not matter.
[06:17] <segin> GPT is a sane choice, yes
[06:17] <maletor> it's gotta be something
[06:17] <segin> But since the UEFI won't be touching that drive...
[06:17] <segin> You could use Apple Partition Map or BSD disklabels if you wanted to, and it wouldn't matter.
[06:18] <segin> As long as you use GPT on your boot drive, you can use any partition scheme supported by Linux on the rest of your drives.
[06:18] <maletor> principle of least astonishment would probably lend to making it gpt
[06:18] <segin> Yes.
[06:18] <maletor> cool segin. thanks
[06:18] <segin> However
[06:19] <fisher> is it possible to modify the "hw:0" assignments? For example: Change hw:1 to hw:0?
[06:19] <segin> If you think you would ever need to physically move that drive into an older machine for whatever reason, then consider MBR, but if said "older machine" is also running Linux, GPT is still fine.
[06:19] <maletor> segin: as far as i'm concerned this is the old machine
[06:20] <maletor> we are moving forward
[06:20] <segin> Oh, then you've got no reason to use anything else aside from maybe geek cred.
[06:20] <maletor> well uefi is faster than mbr
[06:20] <maletor> that's why i'm using it :)
[06:21] <maletor> and geek gred
[06:21] <segin> Ah, okay.
[06:21] <segin> If you are worried about being able to use as much disk space as possible, then MBR is actually better. GPT will reserve space for a EFI boot partition.
[06:22] <segin> But, like I said, as it's not a boot drive, there's no real difference in choice.
[06:48] <maletor> so for efi, should i have a partition for /boot /boot/efi and / ??
[07:00] <eric3> what up room,
[07:00] <eric3> i have a question
[07:00] <eric3> with the newest release
[07:05] <histo> maletor: no just /boot/efi  and /
[07:05] <histo> !uefi | maletor
[07:09] <delilah> anyone around to advise? i am experiencing an abundance of xruns, here
[07:10] <mar77i> good morning #ubuntu. how does ubuntu figure out if I have to reboot after an update? I have my own function for another distro, but I'd like to extend the check for this one too
[07:10] <auronandace> mar77i: depends on what gets updated
[07:10] <histo> !ask | delilah
[07:11] <delilah> apparently, i have a notification that my system crashed
[07:11] <auronandace> mar77i: a kernel or dbus update obviously requires a reboot
[07:11] <delilah> 7100 xruns and counting
[07:11] <delilah> not sure where to begin
[07:11] <histo> !details | delilah
[07:12] <mar77i> auronandace: the most current kernel version would do, but I can't really assume it ends with -generic on one side and with 17[0-9.]+ on the other
[07:12] <Morpheaus> histo, you definitely have a handle on the templates :)
[07:12] <histo> !botsnack
[07:13] <Morpheaus> lol
[07:13] <delilah> sorry, channels are silent.. i restarted 4 times. never had this problem. when i started jack, my xruns just went through the roof. I have kxstudio with self-compiled real-time kernel
[07:13] <delilah> at boot i notice apparmor errors
[07:13] <delilah> need 2.4 patch
[07:13] <mar77i> auronandace: also I'm not really willing to parse the logs.
[07:14] <histo> !derivatives | delilah
[07:14] <histo> delilah: did you experience these issue with the stock kernel?
[07:17] <delilah> histo: unfortunately (don't yell) when i recently installed amd proprietary drivers it only installed for this kernel.. i have no xorg installed in the other 2 kernels now.
[07:17] <delilah> parsing crashlog..
[07:18] <auronandace> delilah: these things happen when you use software outside the repos
[07:18] <mob001> how to install tomcat7 on ubuntu 10.04 LTS server
[07:19] <mob001> pls help on this...
[07:19] <delilah> aurondace: i know, that is why i stopped messing with GPU after 4 reinstalls.. but the opensource radeon driver kept causing overheat.. this is a known bug
[07:19] <Morpheaus> delilah, from what I know, xruns are caused by buffer underuns/overruns when processing.  Any issue that I have seen posted on Google relates to IRQ conflicts with hardware...have you checked to see if the device in question is sharing the same IRQ as possibly some other component?  Have you tried unplugging other USB components or disabling BIOS features (i.e. NIC's, Built-in Sound, unplug USB devices) to see if it has any effect?
[07:21] <ben1234> xss scanners
[07:22] <Morpheaus> delilah, I'd go to Google and type in "xruns" - there is a "linuxmusicians.com" site that seems to have forums that are similar to the content that you're asking - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xruns
[07:22] <delilah> this just started within this hour. i have very few options available in bios but with last day or two i enabled virtual in bios
[07:23] <delilah> ProcCmdliine in crash report relates: "/usr/bin/systemsettings -caption System\ Settings --icon preferences-system"
[07:23] <Morpheaus> if it started in the last hour - what did you change in the environment?  any upgrades of packages - added a usb device - anything that could change?  Generally, it won't fail until something has been changed...
[07:23] <histo> delilah: use the ati driver from the repo
[07:23] <kewel> hello .. got a printer attached to lubuntu 12.04 machine, wanting to print from a windows 7 machine; got this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-printserver.html
[07:24] <kewel> it mentions setting 'security = user' in smb.conf .. is this necessary?
[07:24] <histo> kewel: you can set security = share
[07:24] <kewel> will the printer only be accessable by people on my wifi netowkr?
[07:25] <delilah> only one thing i have done: i opened a newly installed program for the first time that made me reboot in the first place:  "FocusWriter"
[07:25] <kewel> histo: will the printer only be accessable by people on my wifi netowkr?
[07:25] <amanthakur> HI guys, Anyone has used SNORT ????
[07:25] <mar77i> hmm. LANG=C dpkg --list '*linux-image-*' | sed -r '1,6d; s/^.{46}//; s/ .*//' | sort -V | tail -n 1 # the most reliable way to find the current kernel?
[07:25] <delilah> histo: ati driver is different from radeon, correct? you believe it won't cause overheat?
[07:25] <Abhijit> !details | amanthakur
[07:25] <histo> kewel: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS_printer_sharing read about IPP
[07:26] <histo> kewel: use IPP instead of samba
[07:26] <mar77i> the one installed ofc, that's what I'm trying to check :)
[07:26] <kewel> histo: really?  never heard of it ..
[07:26] <amanthakur> Abhijit,  have just installed snort on my FC17 virtualbox successfully and also ran it. Now i have added a rule to raise an alert on access of facebook.com. But my snort console is stuck at "Commencing Paket Processing...."...I don't see any logs in the terminal. Can anyone help me with it????
[07:26] <auronandace> mar77i: uname -a will show you the one in use
[07:27] <histo> delilah: system settings > hardware drivers  although if you are running a custom kernel good luck with it compiling the proper module
[07:27] <Morpheaus> delilah, have you tried uninstalling the application to see if it writes anything that may conflict?  You can always add it again...
[07:27] <histo> kewel: that's why I sent you the link
[07:27] <kewel> hah
[07:28] <mar77i> auronandace: yup. but the one returned from dpkg has a numeric suffix. as in <IP_ADDRESS>.33 << what's the 33?
[07:28] <Morpheaus> delilah, I'm assuming you're on 12.04 and used the "focuswriter" package...right?
[07:28] <kewel> histo: welp, I just want to share with people on the house's wifi .. will samba not work?  thanks for the help btw
[07:28] <auronandace> mar77i: you are looking at 13.04, please use #ubuntu+1
[07:28] <Morpheaus> that looks like the raring kernel that was released today...33...
[07:29] <Morpheaus> beat me to it
[07:29] <histo> kewel: yes either should work
[07:29] <mar77i> you're kidding me?
[07:29] <histo> kewel: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu#Ubuntu_print_server   here is the samba way
[07:29] <auronandace> mar77i: no
[07:29] <mar77i> I'll go ask in #sed then
[07:29] <auronandace> mar77i: this channel is for stable releases only
[07:29] <delilah> Morpheaus: yes, 12.04, installed from muon center
[07:29] <histo> kewel: Although you don't even need samba in most cases windows should be able to handle an IPP printer as per that other url I sent you.
[07:29] <mar77i> auronandace: does the stable release also have a fifth number on the kernel?
[07:30] <unknown329> hi
[07:30] <histo> kewel: to configure the server just go to http://localhost:631  on the ubuntu box
[07:30] <Morpheaus> delilah, I'd try to backtrack what has changed - if you added new hardware, changed a BIOS setting, so on and so forth, it could be the core of your issue
[07:30] <histo> kewel: then install the printer on the windows boxes http://ip.of.ubuntu.box/printers/printer_name
[07:31] <kewel> histo: oh neat .. i think my question is, if I set 'security = share' is that secure enough to just allow everyone that has access to the wifi net here?
[07:31] <histo> j;lkhkadsgv.kjns vlkjnaqg
[07:31] <kewel> type faster!
[07:31] <unknown329> how do we implement move-to-front compression to decode in java?
[07:31] <histo> kewel: It's up to you to decide what is secure for you.
[07:31] <delilah> should i be concerned about the apparmor module? do I really have to recomplie to fix that?
[07:31] <Morpheaus> delilah, For software, you can check Ubuntu Software Center and look at the history to see what has changed - it could even be related to a security update - once you see the list, you may be able to backport a package using Synaptic - you'd need to Google "synaptic select specific package" or something like that to override what was added/changed...
[07:32] <histo> kewel: I would use IPP and not samba if you want to use samba you can configure it for security = user it doesn't matter
[07:32] <kewel> histo: arg.  what I'm saying is .. what does 'security = share' do?! hahah
[07:32] <histo> kewel: share doesn't bother them with a user password to access shares on the linux box.
[07:32] <Abhijit> amanthakur, ask on fedora forum.
[07:32] <helmut_> hi
[07:32] <amanthakur> Abhijit, no one know there too. that's i asked here :P
[07:33] <kewel> histo: aweseome.  I think that's what I should do. sorry for the miscomm.  I really appreciate it!
[07:33] <Morpheaus> delilah, not sure - there are documented cases of apparmor being patched to fix snd-usb-calaq - the issue is very specific to certain hardware
[07:33] <Abhijit> amanthakur, then use their forum. mailing list. you won't get fedora help here. you can try ##linux
[07:33] <amanthakur> Abhijit, hmm ok thanks
[07:33] <Morpheaus> delilah, more specifically - snd-usb-calaq and xruns
[07:34] <delilah> Morpheaus: okay, here's the scoop on that: when I last ran updates several hours ago, some security updates were left unmarked, and since my problems with bootup and the new unsupported driver, (and unsupported kernel) i left those unchecked
[07:36] <delilah> I would like to just recompile for a better rt kernel with AMD configured and alsamixer pimps, for starters
[07:36] <Morpheaus> delilah, then the probability that it's related to a software update is greater than that of any other issue - you should go through each package that was updated, open Synaptic, and select the previous version and install that - after you've isolated the package, you can report it on launchpad - sadly your issue is extremely specific to your hardware...
[07:36] <Morpheaus> delilah, and trust me - I know what it's like to have a hardware issue - I'm using ubuntu 13.04 on MacTel (Macbook5,2) and some patches cause headaches and debugging to really resolve...
[07:36] <delilah> Morpheaus: sadly, it always is, which is why i have so many personalizations
[07:38] <delilah> Morpheaus: headaches. more like fevers I need to smooth out this overheating wrinkle I always get in over my head when i go near my graphics driver
[07:38] <Morpheaus> delilah, Ya - but I'd take the knowledge from anyone else on *nix - I can't load Windows 8 Embedded on my Hackberry A10 - but it runs Gentoo and Ubuntu perfectly :)
[07:39] <delilah> everything works well (if overheating is tolerable) until i try to fix graphics then it all deteriorates until reformat of hdd
[07:39] <wickedheadache> !offtopic
[07:40] <kewel> okay I'm getting stupider.
[07:40] <Morpheaus> delilah, many disagree with this statement (so take it with a grain of salt) - I _always_ use proprietary drivers instead of kernel maintained drivers.  While the proprietary drivers are annoying and bad for the open source community, I do feel that they have a better build quality/integration with hardware than any open source driver...
[07:40] <delilah> Morpheaus: I will take your advice, I agree on software for now.. thank you.
[07:40] <Morpheaus> <-- hoping people won't hate me...
[07:41] <Morpheaus> delilah, good luck :) - once it's working you can lock the package as well that caused the issue so you'll possibly have dependency issues, but at least your system will work as you expect it to.
[07:41] <delilah> Morpheaus: but there are so so many nit-picky configs for certain things
[07:41] <wickedheadache> dam i need to reboot in ubuntu =/
[07:41] <delilah> and too many options for installs
[07:42] <histo> kewel: huh?
[07:42] <kewel> histo: go with me here.  my buddy's win7 machine didn't see anything else on the wifi network other than himself.  I just installed samba print server on my lubuntu box. .. if I go bother him will he see my machine or printer now?  I configured per https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-printserver.html ??
[07:42] <Morpheaus> delilah, welcome to Linux - you are expected to "know it" much more than Windows...but I will say after you "know it", it's easier to make changes that you want because of the granular level of control...
[07:42] <kewel> histo: cept for 'security = share'
[07:42] <kewel> =)
[07:42] <histo> kewel: assuming it's in the same workgroup and or domain
[07:43] <histo> kewel: smbtree on your box should show you if youc an see shares on the network
[07:43] <kewel> that's what I'm wondering .. his machine didn't see me before I installed samba print server .. I configured it with the workgroup name he uses ..  will he see me now?
[07:43] <kewel> ^^ histo
[07:43] <histo> kewel: As i've said I would use IPP and just avoid the entire issue with samba in the first place. IPP has been supported by windows since Windblows 2000 so i'm not sure why the wiki and help pages haven't been updated
[07:44] <histo> kewel: he should assuming you've set everythignj up properly
[07:44] <kewel> histo: I'll go find out. =)
[07:44] <kewel> brb
[07:44] <histo> Is this sky blue???
[07:44] <Morpheaus> purple
[07:45] <histo> actually should be is the sky going to be blue tomorrow?
[07:45] <kewel> histo: he's asleep.
[07:45] <delilah> Morpheaus: one last thing, I like your responses; what would you do in order to be sure you had a neat and working install script for an unruly driver? the ubuntu wikis are sometimes outdated, for starters.
[07:45] <Morpheaus> let's hope so - :)
[07:45] <kewel> grAATE
[07:45] <histo> kewel: well he doesn't need to print in his sleep hopefully
[07:45] <Morpheaus> delilah, what's the driver?
[07:46] <kewel> no but I want to know if this schtuff werked!! hahaha
[07:46] <Morpheaus> delilah, more specifically - what is the driver name that you're dealing with?
[07:46] <kewel> I wonder what else samba does.
[07:46] <delilah> Morpheaus: AMD radeon 4xxx (ATI rs880) graphics
[07:46] <histo> kewel: samba does windblows file sharing
[07:46] <kewel> I'm new to the linux/windows networking stuff
[07:47] <kewel> is there a gui util I can nose around in?
[07:47] <histo> kewel: the newer version of samba4 that is due out soon does active directory in linux.
[07:47] <kewel> neato
[07:47] <kewel> histo: a gui util for samba? (lubuntu 12.04, here)
[07:48] <kewel> shoulda googled steada typed here..  checkin...
[07:49] <delilah> Morpheaus: The new catalyst won't support 4xxx and under, i believe, except natty-precise, but with a kernel <3.2 if i am not mistaken, for starters..
[07:49] <histo> kewel: hold up let me check
[07:50] <histo> !swat | kewel
[07:50] <Morpheaus> delilah, for that device - it looks like there are two drivers that work - xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon.  There are generally two components to a driver in linux - a kernel module and then support X11 drivers that allow for DRI, AIGLX, GLX, and other functions that are used by 3d renderers and compositing engines in linux.
[07:50] <delilah> Morpheaus: one user posted a kernel rebuild for just such a situation, i discovered a few days ago but haven't reviewed yet
[07:51] <Morpheaus> delilah, trying to compile a kernel from source, while a great idea, also introduces other components that can fail during load if you did not compile a module.  On top of that, you could have build issues when certain combinations of hardware is selected for module/kernel building
[07:52] <Morpheaus> delilah, personally - I'd consider these options - each of them require you to backup your system to recover from a failure
[07:52] <delilah> Morpheaus: hence, my great hesitation; with my default radeon installation and mesa drivers my glxgears were at 56 fps. so...
[07:52] <Morpheaus> delilah, first option - try raring (13.04) to see if any of the upstream fixes were integrated into the newer versions of the kernel...
[07:53] <delilah> *gasp*
[07:53] <Morpheaus> delilah, second option - rollback changes applied to isolate a specific package and lock it so that it's not upgraded in the future - long term you'll want to go through the bug submission process
[07:54] <Morpheaus> delilah, one of the last options would be to compile a kernel from the ground up - this isn't impossible nor extremely hard once you understand it, but you will spend a week usually to understand how the build process works and what is actually occuring and needed for the compile process and deployment to be successful
[07:54] <delilah> Morpheaus: I have a partition installed for testing. I suppose i could use that ; is there any possible way to grab data through the partition for backup?
[07:55] <delilah> (i have been having permission access issues between users)
[07:56] <kewel> histo: welp .. I think I did everything right .. just have to wait till morn to test er out.  thank you.
[07:56] <kewel> histo: I'll tell ya if it works or not.
[07:56] <Morpheaus> delilah, when I create images for my arm device - i usually just do a cp -rpP * /mnt/mydrive - you may want to install a package or even do a disk level backup using Norton Ghost or something like that - if you use the cp method, if the upgrade fails and you need to move back, you will need to re-run the grub installer...you'll also need to boot from a rescue disk (ubuntu live cd) to make sure there are no mounted partitions during
[07:56] <Morpheaus>  processing as well...
[07:57] <delilah> Morpheaus: I am trying to stay close to the Kxstudio distro model. its support is growing and stability has gained much strength.. it works so well for me except for my video
[07:59] <Morpheaus> delilah, totally understand - but any time you want a newer kernel/package that's built off of what kxstudio does not distribute, you're walking into no man's land when trying to address the issues.  There is technical information to address it, but you still need to be able to dig in and try, try, try and sometimes face the fact that it can't be fixed and re-evaluate the distribution, hardware, et cetera...
[07:59] <histo> kewel: np if not try IPP
[08:00] <histo> kewel: You shouldn't have to change anythign to make sure that works other than make sure the printer is set to shar ein cups
[08:00] <kewel> histo: will do.
[08:00] <kewel> histo: ya .. I set it to share when I installed the printer many moons ago .. I'm just wondering if his win7 box will see my lubuntu box.
[08:00] <Morpheaus> delilah, so - if the changes that were made in the last hour are related to custom builds - remove it - if you can't then you may need to start from scratch.  Any time I do a custom build when using configure/make, I always make a backup as the files are usually written without an uninstall script
[08:01] <histo> kewel: It should
[08:01] <Morpheaus> delilah, if you didn't compile anything - you can look at your package history to see if there is a specific version that caused the issue - you could then revert it, ensure it works, and then submit a bug request in which they'll ask for more detailed information...
[08:01] <histo> kewel: if you convince him to eventually use linux you can just IPP and no need for samba
[08:01] <histo> actaully there is no need now but some people use it.
[08:01] <killer> is it possible to develop window applications inside linux
[08:02] <Morpheaus> delilah, the process is painful, as you don't know if it's going to be addressed, or if it will be deferred - but if you at least post it, there's a chance others will see it as well and chime in/offier potential fixes
[08:02] <Morpheaus> offier = offer
[08:02] <kewel> histo: nuttin doin.  he's like 48 years old and is new to computers.
[08:03] <kewel> older I think I dono
[08:03] <kewel> surely. newayz
[08:03] <delilah> Morpheus: oh okay, good idea.. i willlll have to start from scratch because you are right. i did compile. but i may as well try a different distro for my hardware, since i have reinstalled kubuntu precise 5 times.
[08:04] <delilah> (since october)
[08:05] <kewel> histo: the house's main box is a piii1ghz 512mb -- xp was botched so I installed lubuntu =)
[08:05] <Morpheaus> delilah, I know it's not fun - I've done the same with Ubuntu many times - along with Windows as well - but if you have a system that works well, and you want to experiment with it, it makes sense to at least create a backup to recover it in case of failure - for some installs you may even be able to get by using a usb storage device for the backup...
[08:06] <delilah> Morpheus: at least, is there a quick-running backup method for low-level data storage and basic package installs that can be run from shell?
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> im looking for a gui package to sort logs with colours/groups
[08:07] <delilah> thats what i've been holding my breath for
[08:07] <Kurdistan> Hi is there any chance to install nvidia 304.88 package driver for ubuntu 12.04.2 without breaking things?
[08:07] <delilah> Morpheus: i don't even need a gui to backup, either, prefer simplicity.
[08:08] <niftylettuce> any of you like to cook in here?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> cook?
[08:09] <Kurdistan> nvidia 304.88 <<--- latest nvidia legacy driver
[08:09] <Morpheaus> delilah, I generally use sbackup (Simple Backup) - it's on the software center and works well for my purposes...
[08:10] <Morpheaus> delilah, you could also use rsync to accomplish the same task...
[08:10] <MestreLion> when a new email client / video player /www browser / etc is installed, should it set itself as the default app for its "category" ?
[08:10] <kewel> gnite all
[08:11] <MonkeyDust> MestreLion  no
[08:11] <delilah> Morpheaus: I blew off hard copies and data backups when I couldn't access xorg at boot a few months ago lost everything do either/both have simple commands and well defined options?
[08:12] <Morpheaus> delilah, rsync or even tar would be my preference - both could be setup as cron jobs that run daily
[08:13] <delilah> i suck at remembering tarball unpack. i suck at remembering file pathways..
[08:13] <delilah> i have to write EVERYTHING
[08:13] <Morpheaus> delilah, sbackup does have a restore option from command line - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/SimpleBackupSuite
[08:14] <Morpheaus> delilah, eventually you won't have to write it down - unless of course you're using the find command :)
[08:14] <disappearedng> Hey for bash how do I tell curl to escape urls like that automatically?  localhost:8888/liked?look_ids=[487, 1569, 3004, 3237, 9918]
[08:15] <Morpheaus> disappearedng, value="$(perl -MURI::Escape -e 'print uri_escape($ARGV[0]);' "$2")"
[08:15] <Morpheaus> disappearedng, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/296536/urlencode-from-a-bash-script
[08:16] <delilah> Morpheaus: awesome, I have heard similar about it. I am slowly getting it.. I just wish there was software or good training exercise tutorials to help familiarize myself with "the grind" i am not adept with programming but I strangely enough enjoy it, plus I would lke my kids to learn. Is there anything like that?
[08:17] <histo> delilah: <tab> completion is your friend
[08:17] <krcdoadx> the !dock trigger says ubuntu includes avant-window-navigator, but I cant find it in synaptic
[08:17] <Capprentice> What is GNUStep ? Any one uses GNUStep on Ubuntu ?
[08:18] <delilah> histo: again?
[08:18] <Capprentice> What is GNUStep ? Any one uses GNUStep on Ubuntu ?
[08:19] <disappearedng> Hey Morpheaus how do I do this? export ARG='localhost:8888/liked?look_ids=[487, 1569, 3004, 3237, 9918]' perl -MURI::Escape -e 'print uri_escape($ARG);'
[08:19] <krcdoadx> Capprentice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnustep   I don't think many people use it
[08:20] <Morpheaus> delilah, my son uses a Hackberry A10 (he's 5) with ubuntu 12.10 armhf that I loaded for him - he'll be better at using a *nix derivative better then I will (hopefully) some day - I can't say on the training - everything I know I've learned the hard way - I'm not sure if another method exists - the most knowledge that I gained about linux revolved around Gentoo and FreeBSD - but it was hundreds of hours of trial and error...all over
[08:20] <Morpheaus>  a long time though...
[08:20] <Capprentice> krcdoadx, I already read that. I wanted to confirm whether its worth a try on Ubuntu or not. It came out when searcing for GDL -1.0.
[08:21] <histo> delilah: for remembering paths etc... some_really_long_path could be completed with some_re<press tab key>
[08:21] <Morpheaus> disappearedng, not sure - there's also "curl --data-urlencode" and documentation on this method in the man pages that may simplify it further if you can have curl as a dependency...
[08:23] <Morpheaus> disappearedng, there's also a pure bash example for this in the URL I sent you...
[08:29] <delilah> Where to go general unix gibber?? at this hour?
[08:29] <iceroot> is there a reason why ubuntu is using "rwx------" on /home/userdir? because apache2 mod_userdir will not work with it. on debian /home/username is set to rwxr-xr-x
[08:30] <iceroot> so should i put apache in my usergroup? or set home to o+rx?
[08:30] <sw_> delilah, like an off-topic channel, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:30] <barnex> probably privacy, so the other users can't go into your home directory?
[08:30] <iceroot> barnex: its encrypted
[08:30] <barnex> iceroot: afaik you only need +x for apache
[08:30] <barnex> iceroot: well, it's mounted decrypted when you are logged on
[08:31] <barnex> iceroot: try listing your 'encrypted' home directory as root
[08:31] <iceroot> barnex: strange, apache2 is working with o+x, i thought it would need o+rx
[08:31] <barnex> it needs x to enter directory, and r to list files
[08:31] <barnex> if it does know which file it needs to access, r isn't needed
[08:32] <iceroot> barnex: the list-module is working with o+x
[08:32] <barnex> iceroot: well, there
[08:32] <delilah> HATS OFF to #ubuntu-support buddies. appreciated.
[08:32] <barnex> iceroot: well, there's +r on the directory you are listinng
[08:32] <barnex> iceroot: but doesn't have to be higher in directory tree
[08:33] <iceroot> barnex: ah you are right, i only need the +r in public_html and not home
[08:33] <histo> delilah: or #linux
[08:33] <histo> !alis | delilah
[08:33] <barnex> obviously I'm right :-)
[08:33] <iceroot> barnex: thank you for the useful info
[08:34] <iceroot> i guess o+x on home is not a big security issue (single user system)
[08:35] <delilah> thx guys
[08:35] <barnex> iceroot: np. It's fine, as long as you don't mess your privileges down the directory tree
[08:35] <barnex> because it's possible to guess what directories you have
[08:36] <barnex> anyway, in a single user system your user is the most likely to be compromised, so moot point anyway
[08:38] <foobArrr> I have files with both "_YYYYMMDD.txt" and "_YYYY-MM-DD.txt" suffix. I want to rename "_YYYY-MM-DD.txt" to "_YYYYMMDD.txt", is there an easy way to do that?
[08:39] <brayn> Morning! Is there a known memory leak on Chrome for Ubuntu 12.10 64? After half a day's work Chrome ends up using all my RAM
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> brayn: im using chrome on 64bit no problems here
[08:47] <brayn> lotuspsychje: How many tabs do you have open at the same time?
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> brayn: it works even faster then firefox, many tabs
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> brayn: any sites make it lag maybe?
[08:48] <brayn> lotuspsychje: That's really weird. From what I see it gets worse as I use the dev tools. Do you happen to use those?
[08:49] <brayn> lotuspsychje: it gets to the point where one tab uses ~2G if I use the dev tools on it
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> brayn:no, does chrome show high recources on system monitor?
[08:50] <berggreen> My computer is set up in dualboot (win 7 & Ubuntu 12.04). When I boot up and select Win7 from the bootmenu it doesn't boot in Windows but returns to the bootmenu. I'm pretty sure my Windows-installation isn't corrupted. Is there a way to enable me to boot up in Windows again without re-installing either or bots OS?
[08:51] <zippitysquashed> Ubuntu
[08:51] <MonkeyDust> berggreen  repair the grub menu
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> berggreen: try a update-grub on ubuntu
[08:51] <berggreen> lotuspsychje: I'll try that. :-)
[08:51] <brayn> lotuspsychje: It shows the same usage as the chrome task manager in chrome does. It's hard to tell as it shows each tab as a separate process with its own memory
[08:52] <zippitysquashed> orange makes the nicest uniforms
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> berggreen: or repair like Monkeydust advices
[08:52] <brayn> lotuspsychje: if I close chrome the system uses ~1.5G of RAM
[08:56] <kevin999> Hi all - got a challenge for you all !
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> brayn: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and play around with chrome
[08:56] <kevin999> Just plugged in USB drive to BT home HUB
[08:56] <kevin999> run SMBTREE and see the hub
[08:56] <kevin999> how do I mount the disk to be able to access the data ?
[08:57] <kevin999> on windows - it's just discovered via browse network and looks like any other computer with shared drive
[09:02] <histo> kevin999: browse the network and dboule click it just like windows
[09:02] <histo> kevin999: or mount -t cifs //ip.of.hub/direcotry /path/to/mount
[09:02] <histo> sudo !!
[09:03] <kevin999> command line - I'll try the second option
[09:04] <zippitysquashed> wazzup?
[09:04] <Kakadu> hey. Which packages shoudl I install in Raring to use pkg-config with Qt5? I have tried to execute `apt-file search Qt5Qml.pc` but it does not show anything....
[09:04] <gazzwi86> so my server has not updated to british summer time.  How can I make sure the server handles this automatically?
[09:05] <zippitysquashed> Mint
[09:06] <kevin999> histo: - seems to accept command but no mount occurs can't see anything in syslog either
[09:07] <kevin999> histo: - is there the equivalend command line option to see the share name?
[09:07] <kevin999> histo: - thinking along lines of smbclient -L
[09:08] <Kakadu> fixed. I needed to execute `apt-file update` before
[09:08] <O0ddity> Does anyone know how to boot ubuntu 12.04 into single user mode when using the Windows boot manager
[09:08] <histo> kevin999: share the name of what?
[09:09] <kevin999> histo: as in browse the server IP to discover the share name on the hub
[09:09] <histo> kevin999: open nautlius and hit ctrl+l you can type in smb://ip.of.hub   to see the shares
[09:09] <histo> kevin999: or smbtree will show you the share names
[09:09] <kevin999> histo: nautlius command not found
[09:10] <Aaron> kevin999, sudo apt-get install nautilus
[09:10] <Aaron> ;)
[09:11] <kevin999> histo: it prompts mee for a password - what password does it want?
[09:12] <histo> kevin999: if you used sudo it prompts for admin users password. If the remote location is prompting it wan'ts user/pass to access the share.
[09:12] <histo> kevin999: are you running ubuntu?
[09:13] <kevin999> histo: yes
[09:13] <kevin999> I'm direct into root - no sudo required
[09:13] <DrGrov> Hello everyone
[09:14] <kevin999> Aaron: E: Couldn't find package nautilus
[09:14] <zippitysquashed> Howdy
[09:14] <DrGrov> I got my modeline set in xorg.conf but I can not boot all the way to the login screen. Any way to get into safe mode?
[09:14] <sgo11> why is there no sent folder in my evolution imap account? Is this normal? I can only check sent mails in mail provider's browser UI. thanks.
[09:14] <histo> kevin999: nautilus is the file browswer in ubuntu
[09:14] <histo> kevin999: is this a server install?
[09:15] <kevin999> no - server is good - just after a share
[09:15] <DrGrov> This problem is because I want to get 1920x1080 out of my TV but can not with the normal nouveau driver. So I am stuck with a black screen before I get to the login screen. Any thoughts on how to get into the boot menu?
[09:15] <histo> kevin999: I'm really confused as to how you are running ubuntu without nautilus
[09:16] <histo> kevin999: lsb_release -a
[09:16] <DrGrov> she_dyed: Hi there, we talked last night about modelines and xorg.conf correct?
[09:16] <kevin999> histo: It's a Debian 10.04 lts ubuntu server install
[09:17] <DrGrov> I have a backup of my xorg.conf but can not seem to get into the "boot options menu" at startup. Can not remember the key combination. Anyone know what I mean or am I explaining it poorly?
[09:17] <zippitysquashed> DrGrov: try uninstallingplymouth
[09:17] <zippitysquashed> DrGrov: try uninstalling plymouth
[09:17] <kevin999> histo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5694833/
[09:17] <DrGrov> zippitysquashed: The problem seem to be I can not get into the login screen at all. It is just blank. Can not drop down to ttyl1 even.
[09:18] <starbuck> hello, what do i have to do to run wireshark (or any other program) as root by default? i want to be able to click on the desktop symbol and gt asked for the sudo password or something like that
[09:18] <histo> kevin999: well that doesn't make sense but okay.  you should use sudo mount -t cifs //ip.of.server/sharename    /directory/to/mount/to
[09:18] <DrGrov> zippitysquashed: Isn't there a boot menu option at startup which users should be able to access in order to get into safe mode?
[09:18] <zippitysquashed> you have to tell grub to use FB
[09:18] <DJones> kevin999: That pastebin says Ubuntu 8.04 which isn't supported anymore
[09:19] <zippitysquashed> try pressing c at boot time
[09:19] <DrGrov> Or perhaps what I want to get into is the GRUB menu.  Also you really need to upgrade your ubuntu
[09:21] <zippitysquashed> emma-: HexChat 2.9.5 [x64] / Windows 8 [2.40GHz].
[09:21] <kevin999> histo: didn't realise this was eol, I'll upgrade soon. In the meantine your command has worked :-)
[09:22] <kevin999> histo: I had to create a brand new directory - so I'm thinking perhaps it was a permissions error to the location in the filesystem
[09:22] <histo> kevin999: if you want it to mount on boot /etc/fstab
[09:22] <DrGrov> Is it just enough to press Shift while booting up to get into the grub menu?
[09:23] <histo> kevin999: the directory you are mounting to has to exist
[09:23] <histo> DrGrov: yes
[09:23] <kevin999> histo: Great support - Thanks
[09:23] <histo> DrGrov: I usually hammer on it.
[09:23] <DrGrov> histo: I will give it a go now. Ah, the hammer technique. Conquer and destroy :)
[09:24] <DrGrov> histo: The problem is that I can not get further if I do not get into safe mode or something like ttyl1 in order to copy the backup of xorg.conf back.
[09:24] <kevin999> histo: just picking up on that last coment - what needs to go in /etc/fstab
[09:25] <histo> kevin999: //ip.of.server/sharename    /directory/to/mount/to   cifs   any_options_you_want  0 0
[09:25] <histo> !fstab | kevin999
[09:25] <DrGrov> Ah, I can not even load GRUB. Just a blank screen. What should I do now then?
[09:26] <histo> DrGrov: you could boot to a live usb or cd and repair
[09:26] <DrGrov> histo: How do I repair then? Just simply from the menu?
[09:26] <DrGrov> histo: I hope I still have the 12.04 CD left so I can do it.
[09:27] <kevin999> Gota say you guys always offer great support and advice - thanks all for you input - guess I need to get on with some work now !! :-)
[09:27] <kevin999> Speak soon no doubt - regards kevin
[09:27] <histo> DrGrov: mount the root fs from the live cd and edit he xorg.conf
[09:27] <histo> DrGrov: or whatever file you need to repair
[09:28] <DrGrov> histo: Ah, mount the root fs is done how exactly?
[09:29] <histo> DrGrov: easiest way for you would be to double click it in the gui.  Or you could open a termi9nal and sudo mount /dev/of/root /mnt
[09:30] <DrGrov> histo: I found Ubuntu 11.04 Desktop 64-bit CD lying around. I hope it can oot.
[09:30] <DrGrov> *boot
[09:31] <histo> DrGrov: shoudlb e able to.
[09:32] <DrGrov> histo: This is good, it is loading from the CD. Probably yes the GUI would be the easiest way to doing it.
[09:33] <histo> DrGrov: yeah go to places > where.ever
[09:33] <histo> DrGrov: you should see the drive if not just lsblk to find the dev and mount /dev/sda# /mnt
[09:33] <DrGrov> histo: Okay, I will soon be in (hopefully).
[09:34] <tokern3> don't know which one is better :  downthemall    or   multiget    or    wsdownloadfast        or  flareget     or    prozgui             ?
[09:34] <Myrtti> try them all?
[09:35] <DrGrov> histo: I wonder though. Was it the modeline in xorg.conf that really caused the problem? The monitor should do it with the nouveau driver.
[09:35] <Myrtti> !best | tokern3
[09:35] <histo> DrGrov: I didn't see the problem that you are trying to fix. YOu don't need an xorg.conf to boot
[09:35] <histo> DrGrov: you'd have to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:36] <DrGrov> histo: But apparently I need since I can not get my monitor to 1920x1080 with the nouveau driver. I can only get it to that with the nvidia-current driver.'
[09:36] <DrGrov> histo: I have checked the Xorg.0.log and apparently the nouveau driver only supports a maximum of 1360x768.
[09:37] <DrGrov> histo: I have had nVidia issues showing up on Xorg.0.log that segfaults and causes me to jump into the login screen. Happens when I use Chromium, Chrome or Firefox with Flash.
[09:37] <beck_> hello
[09:38] <histo> DrGrov: is there a reason you don't want to use nvidia-current?  are you just trying to stay opensource?
[09:38] <DrGrov> histo: There is a reason. The Chromium/Chrome/Firefox + Flash issue I have with my nVidia GTS 250. It segfaults and I can not work at all while having this problem. But my monitor can not go to 1920x1080 with the nouveau driver.
[09:40] <histo> DrGrov: perhaps askthe nouveau peeps
[09:40] <beck_> I have a question about bonding that I could not find info on. Typical we use LACP/802.3ad however for a low budget solution we are stuck using layer 2 switch and active-backup. It seems to work ok until I drop a switch and it never recovers. I suspect I have something wrong with my configuration. Any ideas?
[09:41] <beck_> I was using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding as a reference and I'm running precise
[09:41] <DrGrov> histo: I can not get into the live CD of 11.04. IT just freezes up on me.
[09:41] <DrGrov> histo: I am screwed.
[09:42] <histo> DrGrov: did youg et the grub menu hitting the shift key?
[09:42] <DrGrov> histo: No, nothing.
[09:42] <histo> DrGrov: you have to repeatedly press it after the bios posts.
[09:42] <DrGrov> histo: Yes, that I did.
[09:42] <histo> DrGrov: once you get the menu boot into recovery mode and fix your machine. If not you have to use a live cd
[09:43] <DrGrov> histo: Okay, I am in through the live CD. The Try Ubuntu did not work so I closed it and now I am in.
[09:45] <DrGrov> histo: But I do not find my xorg.conf at all. Neither I have no idea how to fix GRUB:
[09:45] <histo> DrGrov: okay places > whatever do you see the local hard drive ??
[09:46] <histo> DrGrov: why do you think grub is damaged now?
[09:46] <DrGrov> histo: Yes, I see the 32GB local drive.
[09:46] <histo> DrGrov: click on that and fix your files
[09:46] <beck_> does anyone have an idea or can point me to some docs that are more complete?
[09:46] <histo> DrGrov: once you click on it... it will be mounted. You can find out where it's mounted by typing mount in a terminal.  If you sudo chroot that/mount/point  you can apt-get install etc...
[09:47] <histo> beck_: #hardware
[09:47] <beck_> histo, its not a hardware issue
[09:47] <beck_> its a ubuntu issue
[09:48] <histo> beck_: ahh im sorry just saw you asking about switch didn't read.
[09:48] <beck_> specifically around active-backup bonding :)
[09:48] <histo> beck_: what do you mean it doesn't recover?
[09:48] <beck_> it doesn't failover or recover once I bring the priary switch back online
[09:49] <beck_> s/priary/primary
[09:49] <histo> beck_: does it default to the primary switch if the secondary one fails?
[09:49] <DrGrov> histo: Probably got it now. Rebooting to confirm.
[09:49] <beck_> histo: I have not been able to get past the first failure scenario at this point
[09:50] <histo> beck_: what mode are you using?
[09:50] <beck_> histo: my config looks almost identicl to the link I posted but I'm using active-backup or mode 1
[09:50] <DrGrov> histo: Okay, I
[09:51] <histo> beck_: in active-backup only one slave is active
[09:51] <DrGrov> histo: Okay, I am in the GRUB boot menu now. Where do I start looking into drivers what might cause a problem? Xorg.0.log yes. But can I really be without a xorg.conf and still get out the right resolution without nvidia-current drivers?
[09:51] <histo> beck_: so on failure the other doesn't become active?
[09:52] <beck_> yes correct
[09:53] <histo> beck_: hrm... perhaps try in #ubuntu-server  It should jsut be working unless one of your configs for the slave is fat fingered
[09:53] <histo> beck_: sorry I can't help more I have to get some sleep.
[09:53] <beck_> histo: I suspect bond-slaves none is not the right setting
[09:53] <beck_> histo: thaks anyway
[09:56] <sheldor> whats the best way to *install* ubuntu to a flash drive? not just boot the installer from it
[09:56] <sheldor> like would i have to boot from another flash drive and install to the first one?
[09:56] <sheldor> or is there a better way
[09:57] <ajnr> Hi folks , how to open the wide screen console in ubuntu ?
[09:57] <sheldor> also why is the 32 bit version *recommended* ???
[09:57] <sheldor> is it recommended even for 64bit cpus?
[09:58] <rypervenche> Go with 64-bit if you've got 64-bit CPUs.
[09:58] <sheldor> rypervenche: then why do they still recommend 32bit? nobody even produces 32bit cpus anymore
[09:58] <histo> !install | sheldor
[09:58] <histo> gnight
[09:58] <sheldor> it doesnt make sense, it should be the other way around
[09:59] <histo> sheldor: They still produce 32bit cpus
[09:59] <sheldor> thanks histo let me check that
[09:59] <sheldor> histo: like 1% of all cpus
[09:59] <histo> sheldor: more than that. Take a look at most tablets
[09:59] <histo> sheldor: and netbooks etc.. intel atom based 32bit cpus in a lot of stuff. And ARM CPUs
[09:59] <sheldor> okay
[10:00] <sheldor> which release should i get for Intel 64?
[10:00] <histo> sheldor: also how much ram do you have?
[10:00] <sheldor> does it only support AMD?
[10:00] <sheldor> histo: 8
[10:00] <ajnr> Hi folks , how to open the wide screen console in ubuntu ?
[10:00] <sheldor> 8gigs
[10:00] <sheldor> i mean, does ubuntu only support AMDs?
[10:00] <sheldor> seems weird
[10:00] <histo> sheldor: no amd64 is 64bit... and btw 32bit cannot address more that 4gb of ram without PAE support. and even then it wouldn't use it as effieciently as 64bit. So run 64bit
[10:01] <sheldor> okay great histo
[10:01] <histo> sheldor: I wouldn't run 64bit on something like <2gb of RAM
[10:01] <sheldor> k
[10:01] <sheldor> thx
[10:01] <histo> sheldor: there are no more issues with 64bit like there were in the beginning
[10:01]  * histo needs sleep gnight
[10:02] <sheldor> night
[10:04] <SSGSCar> Any pro users out there?
[10:04] <aeon-ltd> SSGSCar: if you have a question ask it
[10:05] <SSGSCar> Bad python dependencies on ubuntu 10.04 x32 live installed from unetbootin
[10:05] <SSGSCar> Won't load the software center
[10:06] <SSGSCar> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:06] <SSGSCar>   File "/usr/bin/software-center", line 80, in <module>
[10:06] <SSGSCar>     app = SoftwareCenterApp(datadir, xapian_base_path)
[10:06] <SSGSCar>   File "/usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/app.py", line 221, in __init__
[10:06] <SSGSCar>     self.config = get_config()
[10:06] <SSGSCar>   File "/usr/share/software-center/softwarecenter/backend/config.py", line 43, in get_config
[10:06] <FloodBot1> SSGSCar: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:12] <ajnr> any one knows ,how to wide the console screen , actually i am not able to see the all content in a window
[10:13] <nomada_> welcome everyone! and.. ubuntu is great! :D
[10:14] <catphish> i know i discussed this yesterday, but it's getting really tedious and would only take a couple of minutes for someone to fix: [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (2a01:450:10:1::10)]
[10:15] <gry> ajnr: Resize the window?
[10:15] <nomada_> who is drinking yerba mate? :d
[10:16] <ajnr> gry, I got it by zooming ! esay one
[10:16] <izx> How to add a repostory to apt-cacher-ng server?
[10:16] <gry> nomada_: I used to for a few years. Mind this is a support channel though, the venting channel is #ubuntu-offtopic :-)
[10:18] <beck_> its official, Linux distros do not know how to write documentation
[10:18] <beck_> *facepalm*
[10:18] <nomada_> 25 april should be ubuntu 13 final?
[10:19] <demondog66> Hello can i get some help
[10:21] <catphish> demondog66: only if you have a question to ask
[10:22] <demondog66> catphish i cant seem to get wine to install
[10:22] <Coffe> Hello, trying to get gnome 3 to group my xterm windows.. work when i start it localy, but if i starta it on a remote server   the grouping of applications stops working .  and when alt+tab it only displays xterm.. but in overview it displays names.
[10:22] <mradot> i'm trying the use wpa_supplicant but it won't seem to connect
[10:22] <mradot> it says it's getting disconnected
[10:24] <beck_> ok, this is a noob channel unfortunately
[10:24] <gry> !details | demonspork
[10:24] <beck_> peace out
[10:24] <gry> beck_: what's the problem?
[10:24] <catphish> demondog66: people will be able to assist you if you provide some information, such as what you have tried and what errors you are seeing
[10:25] <catphish> oh, he left
[10:26] <beck_> gry: active-backup bonding issues with precise server, it does failover or recover. LACP works fine. I think its a config issue but could be a bug too. Most people are not that chea and buy layer3 switches
[10:27] <foobArrr> I installed updates a few minutes ago, now flash videos don't work anymore, I get "A plugin is needed to display this content.". iirc one of the updates was flash-related. what now?
[10:27] <beck_> I have a customer wanting to use layer2 switches and them nor I can get it working right
[10:27] <gry> try asking #ubuntu-server
[10:27] <beck_> yea, yea everybody is asleep there
[10:27] <nomada_> does anyone knows if using SSD disk (ex.Kingstone HyperX 128GB) on ubuntu is optimized way? I mean, in short: Is Ubuntu ready to use SSD disks?
[10:27] <gry> foobArrr: in what browser?
[10:28] <foobArrr> gry: firefox and chromium
[10:31] <foobArrr> gry: never mind. purging and reinstalling flashplugin-installer fixed it
[10:33] <snuggl> the dash/launcher/lense thing is REALLY slow on my laptop, is there something i can do about that?
[10:33] <snuggl> like 3-4 fps in the animation
[10:34] <snuggl> or is it just a beta thing maybe
[10:40] <paul__> hey there! i have a really strange matter with my ext4 filesystem: i mounted a samba share to /mnt/sharename; everything worked fine but this day suddenly the mount didnt work and there was no owner related to folder; ls -al shows d?????? ? ?; anybody could give me some advice! big thx in advance
[10:44] <hachre> where in /proc or /sys is the hook to see if I'm running on battery power
[10:44] <arkie> Hey guys, I need some help installing ubuntu on my laptop.
[10:45] <blank0o0o0o> hola
[10:45] <blank0o0o0o> hello
[10:45] <arkie> I have a Windows 7 laptop. I'm wanting to put ubuntu on it but I'm not sure of a few things. I've decided I don't want to dual boot and would rather just run ubuntu and not have Windows. How should I go about completely wiping the HDD ready for ubuntu installation? Where can I find a good guide to follow?
[10:45] <lautan> The installation disc
[10:45] <blank0o0o0o> yes arkie
[10:46] <arkie> What happens if I want to get Windows 7 back one day? Do I just use the serial under my laptop and then boot from a USB or something?
[10:46] <blank0o0o0o> wait
[10:46] <hachre> arkie: you can tell it that you wanna wipe during installation of ubuntu
[10:46] <blank0o0o0o> yep
[10:46] <blank0o0o0o> clean install
[10:46] <arkie> Also, what about things like power saving mode on my laptop
[10:46] <arkie> I will lose this ability correct?
[10:46] <lautan> Yes
[10:46] <hachre> arkie: and yea you'll need to boot from a windows cd and then use that key
[10:46] <snuggl> arkie: either save it on the disk by shrink the partition, or re-install windows later
[10:46] <hachre> arkie: some, not all
[10:46] <blank0o0o0o> who uses hyper v
[10:47] <snuggl> arkie: and yes you can install windows from usb too
[10:47] <arkie> hachre, so I will have worse battery life with ubuntu?
[10:47] <blank0o0o0o> shouldnt
[10:47] <lautan> Arkie, you can change your settings to save power in Ubuntu
[10:48] <blank0o0o0o> anyone a linux admin
[10:48] <hachre> arkie: most likely at least a little bit yes, but that degree varies greatly depending on what laptop it is, how well it is supported etc, hard to tell without just trying it out
[10:48] <arkie> okay so the installation will allow me to completely wipe the HDD
[10:48] <hachre> arkie: ya
[10:48] <arkie> I don't need to make any changes to bios settings etc..?
[10:48] <lautan> No
[10:48]  * blank0o0o0o stands up and asks a simple question
[10:49] <blank0o0o0o> anyone a  linux admin?
[10:49] <hachre> arkie: if you have a setting there called IDE mode or SATA mode or something see that you put it to AHCI, thats also better for windows
[10:49] <lautan> If you only have one OS on one bootable partition, no
[10:49] <hachre> arkie: but it makes your current windows unbootable when you switch it
[10:49] <blank0o0o0o> u guys are helpfull i guess u get what u pay for
[10:49] <nibbler_> !ask blank0o0o0o
[10:50] <blank0o0o0o> ANYONE a linux admin
[10:50] <arkie> hachre, im just going to completely remove windows
[10:50] <arkie> dont need it
[10:50] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: no, no one
[10:50] <arkie> which version of ubuntu do you recommend?
[10:50] <arkie> LTS version?
[10:50] <blank0o0o0o> !test
[10:50] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: just ask your question, and see if anyone can help you. "is anyone a linux admin" is not a problem anyone could be helping
[10:50] <nibbler_> !details | blank0o0o0o
[10:50] <blank0o0o0o> lol
[10:51] <hachre> arkie: for a desktop the newest one
[10:51] <blank0o0o0o> i want someone to feed me linux commands that are helpful for a admin
[10:51] <hachre> arkie: 12.10 aka quantal, in two weeks however the next one comes out 13.04 aka raring
[10:51] <michaeld3marais> arkie: if you are just using it on your personal computer, get the newest release.
[10:51] <arkie> okay
[10:51] <blank0o0o0o> !rules
[10:51] <arkie> also
[10:52] <arkie> will it remove the recovery partition for windows on my laptop?
[10:52] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: http://www.commandlinefu.com/ is good for inspiration
[10:52] <hachre> arkie: yes
[10:52] <arkie> as i obviously wont need that anymore either
[10:52] <arkie> cool
[10:52] <arkie> not sure if i should get 32 or 64 bit either..
[10:52] <hachre> arkie: what CPU do you have?
[10:52] <blank0o0o0o> ty
[10:52] <blank0o0o0o> nibbler_:
[10:53] <hachre> arkie: need just the model name, not the ghz or anything
[10:53] <arkie> hachre, Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz Processor
[10:54] <hachre> arkie: then I'd get 64
[10:54] <blank0o0o0o> better question is how much ram do u have
[10:54] <santgennaro> !list
[10:54] <blank0o0o0o> over 4 gig go with 64 under go with 1386
[10:55] <arkie> 4GB DDR3 1066MHz Memor
[10:55] <blank0o0o0o> then go with 32bit
[10:55] <hachre> if you have a 64 bit cpu you should get a 64 bit os, ram doesnt matter
[10:56] <blank0o0o0o> cough bs
[10:56] <blank0o0o0o> yes it does
[10:56] <lautan> blank0o0o0o: You're still wrong
[10:56] <blank0o0o0o> how
[10:56] <blank0o0o0o> your wrong
[10:56] <arkie> Now I don't know who to believe!
[10:57] <blank0o0o0o> lol
[10:57] <arkie> :<~
[10:57] <blank0o0o0o> look it up
[10:57] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: 64bit cpu operations can be way faster (might also be slightly slower)... and about memory, since 1954 (about) we do have pae which does not limit ram at 4gb for 32bit cpu
[10:57] <blank0o0o0o> pae?
[10:57] <nibbler_> arkie: its not the most important choice to make, but you are on the safe side with 64bit
[10:58] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: physical address extesion (or such), some extra lanes for addressing memory were added way before 64bit cpus hit the market
[10:58] <somsip> arkie: I support nibbler_ here. blank0o0o0o seems to be trolling
[10:58] <blank0o0o0o> im no troll fool
[10:59] <nibbler_> blank0o0o0o: so all systems today can adress 48bit of ram, making memory limits like in windows systems a product of marketing
[10:59] <blank0o0o0o> u dork
[10:59] <nibbler_> !language blank0o0o0o
[10:59] <somsip> blank0o0o0o: you don't know what pae is. You are not showing any depth of knowledge. Just calling bs at people who are helping. And now name calling. You read like a troll unless you up your game
[10:59] <arkie> ok
[10:59] <arkie> so i will go with 64 bit
[10:59] <blank0o0o0o> i didnt know that was a cuss word
[10:59] <arkie> thanks guys!
[11:00] <arkie> how can i install it on my laptop? has to be usb as my laptop has no dvd drive?
[11:00] <hachre> np arkie :)
[11:00] <arkie> can i somehow install it from my NAS?
[11:00] <blank0o0o0o> somsip i got a question for you
[11:00] <hachre> arkie: you can make a usb stick and boot from that
[11:00] <somsip> blank0o0o0o: if it's a support question, ask the channel.
[11:01] <hachre> arkie: if you have one
[11:01] <hachre> arkie: or you can use a usb dvd drive
[11:01] <kIoeri> i used to date a guy named Ubuntu
[11:01] <kIoeri> he used to "play the bongos" on my ass
[11:01] <blank0o0o0o> how many sips does it take to take some sips from somsips
[11:02] <arkie> can i use an external hdd hachre ?
[11:02] <arkie> i only have 1 usb stick and its on the back of my dune and is used as system storage
[11:03] <lautan> You can, arkie, I installed Ubuntu using one
[11:04] <arkie> for a laptop you just download the normal desktop distro correct lautan ?
[11:04] <lautan> Yes
[11:05] <hachre> arkie: I don't know how to install from hdd unless you can wipe it completely but it's possible
[11:05] <blank0o0o0o> did u say 1954?.3
[11:05] <lautan> Partitioning it also makes it possible
[11:06] <blank0o0o0o>     cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l
[11:07] <hachre> whoops
[11:07] <rypervenche> cat grep...
[11:07] <blank0o0o0o> whoops what
[11:07] <rypervenche> grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo
[11:08] <blank0o0o0o> whats the -c do
[11:08] <rypervenche> man grep will tell you that it counts.
[11:08] <hachre> I left by accident ;D
[11:08] <blank0o0o0o> o
[11:09] <sheldor> guys whats the recommended way to create a bootable persistent usb flash drive installation with a tmpfs in RAM for /tmp to protect against flash drive wear?
[11:09] <blank0o0o0o> !rules
[11:09] <arkie> also
[11:09] <arkie> is it possible to have truecrypt on ubuntu?
[11:10] <arkie> and can i truecrypt the entire drive?
[11:10] <arkie> the laptop is always at uni and stuff like that so i dont want my data easily accessible
[11:10] <hachre> arkie: there is truecrypt but there are also other solutions and if you just want encryption that is supported and the setup will ask you for that
[11:10] <sheldor> or more specifically does the "live usb creator" on the install cd create a tmpfs in RAM for /tmp to protect against flash drive wear?
[11:10] <arkie> hachre, i hear truecrypt is pretty much the best
[11:10] <blank0o0o0o> i didnt know what pae means im gonna off myself pew pew
[11:10] <sheldor> or the "usb startup disk creator" tool
[11:10] <blank0o0o0o> lol
[11:10] <sheldor> guise
[11:10] <arkie> ive been using it for a while on my laptop right now
[11:10] <sheldor> hlp
[11:11] <rypervenche> arkie: I prefer LUKS.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:11] <blank0o0o0o> hey BluesKaj
[11:12] <BluesKaj> hi blank0o0o0o
[11:12] <arkie> is LUKS what comes with the ubuntu setup rypervenche ?
[11:12] <rypervenche> It is.
[11:13] <blank0o0o0o> somsips of beer u here?
[11:14] <blank0o0o0o> what are 5 useful commands
[11:14] <arkie> what makes it better than truecrypt? any specific features rypervenche ?
[11:15] <blank0o0o0o> u guys dont know 5 commands?
[11:16] <bazhang> !ot | blank0o0o0o
[11:16] <blank0o0o0o> k ty
[11:18] <blank0o0o0o> linux= open source = free knowledge ?
[11:19] <bazhang> blank0o0o0o, this is not the random questions channel.
[11:20] <bazhang> blank0o0o0o, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:20] <WeThePeople> how to truncate a md5 to 32bit string
[11:20] <somsip> WeThePeople: what language?
[11:20] <WeThePeople> somsip, its to calculate the ip address
[11:21] <pablo> has anyone upgraded couchdb to 1.3.0 via apt-get?
[11:21] <WeThePeople> md5 to ip address
[11:21] <blank0o0o0o> bazhang:  u admin
[11:21] <bazhang> blank0o0o0o, this is not the place. please stop
[11:21] <blank0o0o0o> no ones talking in off topic
[11:21] <somsip> WeThePeople: you lost me there. Not sure what your aim is
[11:22] <WeThePeople> what language is a ip address
[11:22] <WeThePeople> somsip. ^^
[11:22] <somsip> WeThePeople: I mean, what programming language do you want to do the conversion in
[11:23] <WeThePeople> somsip, forget it
[11:24] <blank0o0o0o> i dont want a ban
[11:24] <blank0o0o0o> im sorry
[11:24] <blank0o0o0o> ill come back when i have some good questions
[11:24] <blank0o0o0o> in the mean time goodbye
[11:26] <aguitel> what about ubuntu servers ?
[11:26] <hachre> what about them?
[11:26] <aguitel> are down ?
[11:26] <hachre> ubuntu.com is up for me
[11:26] <varikonniemi> congratulations ubuntu. I yesterday tested the daily build, and what i saw was what i would have approved as version 1 of unity
[11:26] <varikonniemi> GJ
[11:27] <somsip> aguitel: use this: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[11:27] <varikonniemi> 12.10 got me discouraged with ubuntu, but it seems i will be back :)
[11:27] <hachre> yea, I'm also very happy with 13.04
[11:28] <rymate1234> 13.04 is best Ubuntu
[11:28] <varikonniemi> 12.10 and 11.10 have been horrible
[11:29] <CorySimmons> On Ubuntu Server, how do I scroll up to see all the text that flies by?
[11:29] <varikonniemi> page up?
[11:29] <hachre> I haven't been here to witness that... I left Ubuntu at 5.x and just returned now :)
[11:29] <CorySimmons> Is there a flag I can pass to make things scrollable?
[11:29] <somsip> CorySimmons: pipe the command to less, eg: ls -la | less
[11:29] <varikonniemi> else pipe through less or more
[11:29] <CorySimmons> Page Up doesnt work
[11:29] <hachre> CorySimmons: are you in screen?
[11:29] <CorySimmons> It's a vbox
[11:29] <hachre> try shift page up
[11:30] <CorySimmons> Ah! Works
[11:30] <CorySimmons> Thanks hachre
[11:30] <hachre> np
[11:30] <rymate1234> Only thing I don't like about Ubuntu is the ATI legacy drivers don't work
[11:30] <rymate1234> They're not updated for the kernel / Xorg on 13.04
[11:30] <rymate1234> so my games run like crap
[11:30] <varikonniemi> hachre, ubuntu 11.04 unity was what got me interested in linux
[11:30] <tush> where do i find creative elite pro drivers for ubuntu 12.04
[11:30] <varikonniemi> funny to find out it was one of the biggest letdowns in linux world at the time
[11:32] <rymate1234> I never bothered with 11.04
[11:34] <hachre> well I like that Canonical  are doing some crazy pushes
[11:34] <rymate1234> Does anyone know a way to improve Ubuntu gaming performance on the open source ati drivers
[11:34] <hachre> rymate1234: no idea, I have a separate windows pc for gaming
[11:35] <rymate1234> I usually use a seperate windows partition for games
[11:35] <rymate1234> however for some reason my laptop runs horribly on windows
[11:36] <rymate1234> it freezes regularly, even on a clean installation
[11:36] <hachre> even with ati drivers installed?
[11:37] <rymate1234> hachre, on windows or linux
[11:38] <jinja> rymate1234, is it a new laptop? i have an old IBM Thinkpad and it freezes too sometimes. a technician told me its the old hard disks that doesnt spin right..
[11:38] <hachre> rymate1234: I mean, the freezing windows, does that happen even with ati drivers installed
[11:38] <rymate1234> jinja, could be that
[11:38] <rymate1234> hachre, yes
[11:38] <hachre> yea I was thinking hard drive too
[11:38] <hachre> but if it works on ubuntu...
[11:38] <rymate1234> I might just save up for a new HDD
[11:38] <rymate1234> I need a bigger one anyway XD
[11:39] <rymate1234> hachre, the HDD doesn't seem to spin right in windows.
[11:41] <catphish> if i install ubuntu onto USB sticks, is there anything in particular that should be done to minimize writes
[11:41] <rymate1234> catphish, don't install much?
[11:41] <manata> hello everyone, I am trying to compile bluez 5, but I am getting this : "sytemd system unit dir... configure: error: systemd system unit directory is required" what am I missing? Thx
[11:42] <catphish> rymate1234: i've installed a default 12.04 server
[11:45] <iceroot> manata: ubuntu is not using "systemd", that is part of debian
[11:46] <manata> thanks for the prompt replay iceroot, then is it possible to compile bluez on ubuntu? (I guess it does, but I don't know how)
[11:48] <hachre> manata: bluez is included with ubuntu
[11:48] <hachre> mantana: but you probably need patches
[11:48] <hachre> manata*
[11:49] <iceroot> manata: bluez is in the repos, why need to compile it yourself?
[11:49] <iceroot> !info bluez
[11:49] <manata> hm, I just upgrade the 12.04
[11:49] <manata> so it is not necessary to install bluez from source?
[11:50] <iceroot> manata: no
[11:50] <iceroot> manata: ubuntu is a distro where the software is precompiled in the repos and you can install the binary versions with the software-center or apt-get
[11:50] <iceroot> !repos | manata
[11:50] <manata> thanks everyone
[11:50] <manata> I will check around
[11:50] <iceroot> manata: sudo apt-get install bluez   is the command to install the package "bluez"
[11:51] <CorySimmons> How do I show hidden files in ls?
[11:52] <iceroot> CorySimmons: ls -all
[11:52] <manata> is it necessary to add some special ppa iceroot? just to keep it up-to date
[11:52] <CorySimmons> iceroot: Thanks. It seems ls -al (note the missing L) does the same
[11:53] <iceroot> manata: if you want major updates, yes. normally the packages for a ubuntu release like 12.04 will only get security updates but no new features (there are some exceptions like firefox, chromium)
[11:53] <iceroot> CorySimmons: its -a which is doing the trick
[11:53] <iceroot> CorySimmons: see man ls
[11:53] <iceroot>        -a, --all
[11:53] <iceroot>               do not ignore entries starting with
[11:53] <iceroot> .
[11:56] <sheldor> when i install ubuntu to a flash drive using UNetbootin and then install new drivers etc, will they persist?
[11:56] <sheldor> or will only user data persist?
[11:57] <CorySimmons> iceroot: Thanks man :)
[11:57] <James_m> Hi
[11:59] <James_m> My system told me that security updates are available. I wanted to install them, but then the message appeared that it was impossible to install them for some reasons. Then I chose to try installation again and an application called "pkexec" has been run in a console. Is it normal?
[12:00] <imark> James_m: which version are you running?
[12:00] <James_m> Ubuntu?
[12:01] <imark> James_m: yes which Ubuntu, 12.04, 12.10? Or don't you know
[12:01] <MonkeyDust> James_m  what's the output of lsb_release -sd ?
[12:01] <James_m> 12.04.2
[12:02] <James_m> LTS
[12:03] <iceroot> sheldor: its a normal installation, so it will be persist
[12:03] <imark> James_m: okay try to do a full update using the terminal, it will give you a better idea of whats going wrong, if anything, use these commands in a terminal
[12:03] <imark> sudo apt-get update
[12:04] <imark> sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[12:05] <sheldor> iceroot: no its not a normal installation, it is a ramdisk that syncs changes at startup
[12:07] <starbuck> i'm on 12.10 with a mobile nvidia graphics card (GeForce 9650M GT). which nvidai driver should i install?
[12:07] <James_m> "The system has not been able to download (...) 404 NOT FOUND" at the end of the output
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> starbuck  nvidia-current ?
[12:08] <Shash> i am new to ubuntu, i found on internet that i can customize  my ubuntu 12.10 using my unity, i tried installing my unity from synaptic and terminal, but it says you have held broken packages. how to fix it?
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> Shash  first get familiar with ubuntu, then try changing and modifyibg things
[12:08] <jinja> Shash, maybe you should recheck your sources list
[12:09] <jinja> Shash, maybe you should recheck your sources list, update and then reinstall
[12:09] <CorySimmons> Whats the command line tool to search my entire system for a file or folder?
[12:09] <CorySimmons> Hidden or not
[12:09] <jrib> CorySimmons: find or locate
[12:09] <Shash> how to check source list?
[12:09] <jrib> Shash: why?
[12:10] <James_m> What is the difference between dselect-upgrade and normal upgrade as a parameter to apt-get? I don't have dselect installed, wouldn't be it safer to go with just upgrade option?
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> Shash  start with the basics, what you want is not basic
[12:10] <Niloc> Is it possible to install a software package on one laptop and then transfer installation files to another laptop so as to be able install there?
[12:10] <jinja> Shash, in a terminal type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:10] <BlackThorneDK> Niloc: yes, you just transfer the .deb packages to the other machine
[12:12] <Niloc> BlackThorneDK - Where can I find these deb packages?
[12:12] <starbuck> MonkeyDust: when i go to system Settings -> software sources -> additional drivers i have a few nvidia drivers to choose from, which one is the best (performance and stability)
[12:12] <Shash> jinja: done, now what do i have to  edit in that file
[12:12] <shcherbak> Niloc: if version and architecture are same, you can also use one machine to mirror own updates
[12:13] <Niloc> Yes both laptops have Ubuntu 12.10 installed
[12:13] <shcherbak> Niloc: 32 bit?
[12:13] <Niloc> Yes 32 bit
[12:13] <BlackThorneDK> all packages are stored in .deb form in /var/cache/apt/archives when you install them
[12:13] <jinja> Shash, have you mofidied this file before?
[12:14] <BlackThorneDK> unless you have purged this dir somehow of course
[12:14] <Niloc> Thanx for advice, I'll need to go readup about the suggestions.
[12:14] <Shash> jinja: earlier i serched a bit on internet and found a solution, it suggested to uncomment some lines from that file. but all lines were already uncommented from that file.
[12:15] <shcherbak> Niloc: locate *.deb | less (to see all of them)
[12:16] <Niloc> Ok thanks. Cheers
[12:16] <BlackThorneDK> if you transfer a package, you can eighter install it, by using 'dpkg -i <.deb>' or just open it in aptitude
[12:16] <jinja> Shash, yeah... its likely that that was the reason why you get broken packages. i think you should rebuild the whole thing all over again, update and install.
[12:17] <Shash> jinja: earlier i serched a bit on internet and found a solution, it suggested to uncomment some lines from that file. but all lines were already uncommented from that file.
[12:17] <jinja> Shash, here is a copy of the sources list: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981513.
[12:18] <Shash> jinja:ok, so how to rebuild that file?
[12:20] <jinja> Shash, copy the sources list posted by yrohinkumar. its the text with all the #deb
[12:22] <jinja> Shash, copy it to the sources list you opend earlier. delete the original files and replace it with yrohinkumar's
[12:25] <James_m> OK, so Ubuntu upgrade has done nothing.
[12:25] <arkie> when installing ubuntu from an external HDD, can the HDD have other content on it?
[12:25] <k1l_> James_m: what is you problem?
[12:25] <k1l_> *your
[12:26] <k1l_> arkie: kan you rephrase?
[12:26] <k1l_> *can
[12:26] <fidel> hi - using 12.04 here - docky crashes each time i do run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. This seems to be a problem reported by many ppl - but so far i havent found a fix. Any info if 12.04 is supposed to get a fixed version at all?
[12:26] <ctfTijG> arkie: no, you need to have an unused partition
[12:26] <k1l_> arkie: which hdd should have other content and what contenc you mean?
[12:26] <iceroot> arkie: sure, you just need unused space on the hdd, which will be transformed into partitons
[12:27] <arkie> im happy to wipe my laptop when installing ubuntu
[12:27] <James_m> k1l_: Ubuntu had earlier told me that there are upgrades available, I chose to install them and it complained that installation was not possible, then I tried to upgrade system from command line and it returned message that there are no upgrades by now
[12:27] <iceroot> arkie: unused space = not part of a partition now
[12:27] <quaisi> ls
[12:27] <arkie> it just doesnt have a dvd drive and i dont have a usb handy but i do have an external hdd but it has other files on it
[12:27] <arkie> i just wanted to know if the external hdd with other files on it can be used to boot the ubuntu installation on my laptop
[12:27] <k1l_> James_m: can you pastebin a "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[12:31] <James_m> where can I see list of software sources?
[12:32] <k1l_> James_m: /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:33] <k1l_> James_m: and the PPAs in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[12:34] <James_m> k1l_: and standard update manager simply checks into the contents of *list files?
[12:35] <k1l_> James_m: all sources and PPAs
[12:35] <k1l_> same as apt-get
[12:36] <gustav__> Flash so damn slow.
[12:36] <gustav__> Like a 1996 Psion Revo.
[12:36] <LjL> nothing wrong with Psion Revos!
[12:36] <gustav__> No, but they don't play Flash fast.
[12:36] <LjL> fair enough :)
[12:38] <haled> sudo apt-get upgrade tells me that some of the packages have been kept back (the kernel and its derivatives) but the GUI updater updates those as well. Does that make sense?
[12:38] <James_m> k1l_: ok, thanks
[12:39] <jrib> haled: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:39] <jrib> !dist-
[12:39] <jrib> !dist-upgrade | haled
[12:40] <haled> so dist-upgrade is the same as using the GUI?
[12:40] <jrib> haled: should be; yes
[12:41] <voldyman> guys i am trying to build an example from http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/technologies/application-indicators/
[12:41] <voldyman> vala version. but get an error error: Package `appindicator3-0.1' not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories
[12:42] <voldyman> the python version works fine though
[12:42] <haled> I've had occurrences where dist-upgrade broke display adapter compatibility. If the GUI is the same as it then this is a really wrong UI. Often the user wouldn't want to hassle with drivers for a newer kernel (which doesn't really help him in any way)
[12:43] <James_m> k1l_: I can't paste the output of commands you mentioned because there is a lot of it, and I've to go out of the door, but something's wrong, the system lies about when the last checking of updates was performed
[12:43] <Niloc> Any Solutions for communication with Garmin 405
[12:48] <beliveyourdream> hey guys ... is there a way to setup independent app audio volume ?
[12:50] <killer> hey
[12:50] <MonkeyDust> beliveyourdream  is that a program name?
[12:50] <killer> can anyone help me on this "http://pastebin.com/yAf2czi7"
[12:51] <Niloc> I'm looking for a solution for communication with Garmin 405 device using Ubuntu 12.10
[12:53] <bbrelin> Hello all...
[12:54] <bbrelin> Any support people on?
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> bbrelin  this is the support channel
[12:54] <beliveyourdream> MonkeyDust:  no ... i want that for example .. skype have a different output volume than my audio player
[12:54] <bbrelin> okay...
[12:54] <bbrelin> So, I have a quick question...
[12:55] <killer> sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl brcmfmac brcmsmac bcma
[12:55] <bbrelin> I've set up a Xen guest VM using xen-tools create and then I ran xm create <configfile> to create the VM so that it can be seen via xm list
[12:55] <killer> when i do above it says in error that "sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl brcmfmac brcmsmac bcma
[12:55] <killer> ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.8.5-030805-generic is not spportedError
[12:56] <bbrelin> When I run xm console <domain>, it throws me into the text graphics Ubuntu installation screens.
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> bbrelin  is that a server? if yes, better ask in #ubuntu-server
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> killer: then you are using a 3rd party kernel
[12:56] <bbrelin> Well, the problem is an Ubuntu install question, not a server question.
[12:56] <bbrelin> so I figured that I'd start here.
[12:56] <killer> it is from kernel.ubuntu.com
[12:56] <MonkeyDust> bbrelin  i'm asking, because Xen is server technology
[12:56] <bbrelin> Anyway, I can't figure out how to change the mirror URL in the install.
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> killer: its not from the official repos, so its 3rd party
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> killer: we can only support kernels from the official repos
[12:57] <bbrelin> It asks me for the country, and then automatically fills it in like: ie.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic quantal
[12:57] <killer> ActionParsnip: well i needed something that was not supported in 3.2 kernel
[12:57] <bbrelin> Unfortunately, this URL is invalid and the installation fails complaining that it can't find the URL.
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> killer: so try <IP_ADDRESS> and se if it works there
[12:57] <killer> ActionParsnip: IN PRECISE?
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> killer: then I suggest you upgrade to Quantal, or report a bug
[12:58] <bbrelin> I can't actually change the value in the field to point it to a correct URL...
[12:58] <bbrelin> How do I do this?
[12:58] <MonkeyDust> bbrelin  put all that in one line and repeat it every 10 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[12:58] <bbrelin> okay.
[12:59] <bbrelin> Is there a more suitable forum for this question?
[12:59] <Pici> bbrelin: but ie.archive.ubuntu.com is a valid url.
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> killer: the guys in #linux may help
[12:59] <bbrelin> Pici:  I want to change it to ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/ubuntu/
[13:03] <Pici> bbrelin: but ie.archive.ubuntu.com points to ftp.heanet.ie
[13:04] <TViYH> hello, i have to install ubuntu on a laptop which only has wireless access. the issue is that after authenticating with the access point, i have to login to the domain using a web interface. how can i do this with the ubuntu installer?
[13:06] <haled> TViYH, choose try ubuntu without installing at bootup. Then choose install from the desktop environment and you could also open a browser
[13:10] <NARMYNNA> http://xgermanamateur.blogspot.com/2013/04/hot-photo-collection.html
[13:11] <cfhowlett> spam and ran ... typical
[13:11] <DJones> cfhowlett: spam & klined
[13:11] <snuggl> can i turn off the animation on the lens/dash somehow?
[13:11] <snuggl> its really really slow
[13:12] <snuggl> in effect its just a 2s delay then it appears
[13:12] <barnex> snuggl: don't know about that, but have you considered some other WM, maybe more lightweight?
[13:12] <snuggl> barnex: nope
[13:12] <snuggl> my other animations run fine
[13:12] <gustav__> Why is Firefox accessing my mnt-points when I'm not?
[13:12] <snuggl> my own GL code runs 50+ fps
[13:13] <zamba> what has happened to .gvfs?
[13:14] <zamba> i've used this to be able to get a terminal for manipulating files in a remote file system
[13:14] <zamba> now i have it mounted, but it's not available there
[13:16] <t3hb055nueb> Hi, with Brasero I get this. Please install the following manually and try again:
[13:16] <t3hb055nueb> dvdauthor (application).
[13:17] <rymate1234> how do I install an msi file in wine
[13:18] <snuggl> hm, seems the blur shader is the thing that makes it slow down
[13:18] <Pici> snuggl: Are you on 13.04?
[13:19] <snuggl> yes
[13:19] <amal> rymate1234: wine msiexec /i filename.msi
[13:19] <rymate1234> thanks
[13:19] <Pici> snuggl: Okay 1) support is in #ubuntu+1 for unreleased versions of Ubuntu 2) I saw a mention of this somewhere, you might want to check the most recent beta's release notes.
[13:20] <snuggl> ah
[13:21] <t3hb055nueb> Can anyone help me, I am trying to install the 'dvdauthor' manualy.
[13:21] <snuggl> ty!
[13:22] <cfhowlett> t3hb055nueb, sudo apt-get install dvdauthor
[13:22] <Coveiro> has anyone installed google test c++ framework on ubuntu?
[13:22] <DrGrov> Still having my display issue, stuck at 1360x768 even without a xorg.conf. Anyone to help with EDID and such stuff? My monitor should and can handle 1920x1080. It handles that with nvidia-current but not now with nouveau. Here is my Xorg.0.log which is fresh. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695265/
[13:22] <amal> t3hb055nueb: where are you stuck at?
[13:23] <t3hb055nueb> brasero. All required applications and libraries are not installed. Please install the following manually and try again:
[13:23] <t3hb055nueb> dvdauthor (application). .......... I am learning how to burn dvd. Music and Movies. Newbie I am.
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: if you have lots of clips and want to make a DVD of them, I can recommend devede
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: it will spit out a DVD ISO which you can burn using any burning application
[13:25] <t3hb055nueb> how about k3b?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: sure
[13:25] <kohvihoor> t3hb055nueb: how are you installing dvdauthor?
[13:25] <t3hb055nueb> ActionParsnip: Thanks bud.
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: if your deskto pis GTK based then you will haul in a lot or Qt packages as deps
[13:25] <t3hb055nueb> I am removing brasero actually...
[13:26] <t3hb055nueb> using ubuntu 12.04, gtk based?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> i've never had success with Brasero, I always use xfburn
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: if you are using Gnome desktop then yes
[13:26] <t3hb055nueb> then you will haul in a lot or Qt packages as deps ???
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: yes, as K3b uses KDE and Qt stuff which you don't have installed right now
[13:27] <Coveiro> hello guys
[13:28] <t3hb055nueb> Is there a good alternativve to k3b? For gnome?
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !burning
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> I like xfburn, its simple enough
[13:28] <t3hb055nueb> xfburn, works on gnome then?
[13:29] <t3hb055nueb> Last question I think, if I install k3b on my system now. Will I have to install more things? What are the negative points of that?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: sure, they all will work
[13:29] <trapni> Hey. by trying to install NVIDIA drivers, my system didn't run (unity) so I uninstalled them, and now Unity isn't working anymore, because it can't load GLX (also no /usr/lib/libGL.so.* symlinks were present) - is there a way to just re-install xorg's Mesa OpenGL packages? which one should I re-install and how ?
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: the package system will install what is needed, it depends if space is a luxury
[13:30] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Hi there. You helped me with my nVidia stuff earlier a while back.
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> trapni: which release are you using?
[13:30] <magesing> Hi everyone, I'm replacing my 32bit ubuntu installation with a 64bit installation... I have / /boot and /home on RAID -1 arrays (seperate partitions). During the install I got a message "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda Executing 'grub-install /dev/dsa' failed, this is a fatal error" What's the proper way to install grub on a RAID array again? thanks.
[13:30] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Now I might need some assistance again with Nouveau, EDID on or off and such. You probably are busy though.
[13:30] <t3hb055nueb> ActionParsnip: You pwn.
[13:31] <trapni> ActionParsnip, I just upgraded to 13.04 yesterday (though, tried nvidia binary driver just today)
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: been around a while, there are many better than I
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> trapni: then your support is in #ubuntu+1 til release
[13:31] <trapni> ActionParsnip, that's a channel name? with that +1 at the end? hehe
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> trapni: its for prerelease versions of ubuntu
[13:32] <t3hb055nueb> Can someone suggest a pro dvd/cd ripper?
[13:32] <phschwartz> I have 45 boxes that I am trying to manage in a loop doing software updates. There is an update to mysql that it is trying to install and fails as in a loop over ssh with -C there is no readline console to select if I want it to override /etc/mysql/my.cnf. Is there a way to automate the answer to this?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: cd ripping can be done with sound-juicer
[13:33] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: If you got time could you please look into my Xorg.0.log? The monitor can and should do 1920x1080 but can not with the nouveau driver. The reason I went for nouveau is that I got segfaults with nvidia-current that I saw in Xorg.0.log.old. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695265/
[13:33] <t3hb055nueb> cd ie music?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> DrGrov: my xorg skills are low, I could give you my xorg.conf and you can tweak it as you need
[13:33] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Those segfaults caused my browsers (Chromium/Firefox/Chrome) to just throw me back to the login screen.
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: yes
[13:34] <t3hb055nueb> how about movies?
[13:34] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: I got a xorg.conf already actually :) The backup that you helped with earlier.
[13:34] <trapni> ActionParsnip, i c
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: not something I do, I go and buy them, they are cheap
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: then I use an optical drive and play them
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: maybe others can advise
[13:35] <t3hb055nueb> Yea, me too. Copy right material laws state that you are allowed to have one copy of something you own and paid for.
[13:35] <trapni> but maybe you still know what I would have to do on a 12.10 version to ensure that Mesa GL is used, do you?
[13:35] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: The thing though is that the EDID is apparently just giving me 1360x768 when I should do 1920x1080 as I do with nvidia-current. Any ideas if EDID disabling would help?
[13:35] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Or a custom modeline? ;-)
[13:36] <tirengarfio_> I have firefox 10 installed, I have noticed that it doesn't take the same time to switch between tabs.. In what depends that?
[13:37] <tirengarfio_> I have bought a new pc ant for me it is as slow as the last one I had before
[13:37] <t3hb055nueb> ActionParsnip: I had some questions about writing a script to un-attended dl/install this next time I reformat..
[13:37] <MonkeyDust> tirengarfio_  with ubuntu?
[13:37] <tirengarfio_> One is 3,4 Ghz and the other was 2,1 Ghz
[13:37] <tirengarfio_> 12.10
[13:37] <tirengarfio_> I have xfce
[13:38] <mysticalzero> DrGrov: worth a try. ignore edid and set custom modes in xorg.conf
[13:39] <tirengarfio_> is maybe because the memory??
[13:39] <DrGrov> mysticalzero: Care to help out on how to actually do that? :) I am really not a mastermind on xorg.conf in these cases.
[13:40] <crazydiamond> Hi.  Should also disable the metamodes line in my xorg.conf? Want a pastebin of my xorg.conf?
[13:42] <Eagleman> I have virtualized an ubuntu machine but i am not sure if the allocate memory option works, if i give the machine 4GB ram ( 8GB max ) it will use around 3 GB of ram, however if i do this for 2 GB ram ( 4 GB max ) it will only use 1500MB ram, it should over allocate to 3.5 GB if i am correct, do i need to install something on the server for this to happen?
[13:42] <genii-around> t3hb055nueb: File...New Project... New Video DVD Project  .... add the videos, save the project, burn
[13:42] <adamk> rymate1234: Check 'dmesg' first to see if there are any errors from the drive.  You can try mounting it as read-write with 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /' but make sure it's safe first.
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[13:43] <rymate1234> [ 7717.169079] EXT4-fs error (device sda5): ext4_remount:4625: Abort forced by user
[13:43] <rymate1234> [ 7736.611849] journal commit I/O error
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> rymate1234: then I'd boot to livecd and fsck it, doesn't sound healthy
[13:43] <rymate1234> oh crap
[13:44] <rymate1234> mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda5 read-write, is write-protected
[13:44] <rymate1234> D:
[13:44] <rymate1234> well my /home appears to be fine
[13:44] <rymate1234> I'll reboot
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> genii-around: error
[13:44] <crazydiamond> Hi all How do I get PPA for this package? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.1
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> mkisofs
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> -----------------------
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> /usr/bin/genisoimage: No such file or directory. Failed to open VIDEO_TS.IFO
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> /usr/bin/genisoimage: Can't open VMG info for '/tmp/kde-t3hb055/k3bVideoDvd0/'.
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> /usr/bin/genisoimage: Unable to parse DVD-Video structures.
[13:44] <FloodBot1> t3hb055nueb: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> /usr/bin/genisoimage: Could not find correct 'VIDEO_TS' directory.
[13:44] <t3hb055nueb> Possible reasons:
[13:45] <mysticalzero> DrGrov: Yea. A pastebin of that would be good. I take it that "xrandr -qv" doesn't show your desired resolution as well?
[13:45] <adamk> rymate1234: I hope you have backups :-)
[13:46] <genii-around> t3hb055nueb: That means your video is not currently an mp4
[13:46] <t3hb055nueb> what files extensions ?are best for burning as a dvd? mp4?
[13:47] <rymate1234> adamk: My /home is separate to /
[13:48] <adamk> It may be a different partition, but is it the same drive?
[13:48] <genii-around> t3hb055nueb: mpg, mp4   ... you can convert them with ffmpeg usually if they aren't
[13:48] <rymate1234> adamk: Yes
[13:48] <DrGrov> mysticalzero: Would it be ok with PM? I can not follow all this text.
[13:49] <rymate1234> Yay booted
[13:49] <rymate1234> !
[13:49] <adamk> rymate1234: So I still hope you have backups.  Keep an eye on that drive.
[13:49] <rymate1234> Apparently / is fixed
[13:49] <vitimiti> o/
[13:49] <t3hb055nueb> Thanks everyone. Was there something to download the videos on youtube btw?
[13:49] <rymate1234> adamk: I di
[13:49] <rymate1234> *do
[13:49] <cfhowlett> t3hb055nueb, lots of plugis will do that from FFox
[13:49] <jrib> t3hb055nueb: youtube-dl for example
[13:49] <t3hb055nueb> sudo apt-get youtube-dl?
[13:50] <jrib> t3hb055nueb: apt-get install, but sure
[13:50] <t3hb055nueb> Thanks: I'm logging this for future reference, heh
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: there are websites to pull down the audio from youtube pages if thats what you want
[13:54] <t3hb055nueb> jrib: how do I use youtube-dl?
[13:54] <t3hb055nueb> jrib: nm, gotta dl firefox.
[13:55] <arkie> can you use an external hdd to boot the ubuntu installation on a laptop?
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> t3hb055nueb  in a terminal: youtube-dl [youtube url]
[13:55] <rking> What should I install so the 'mail' command works as I expect? (I can define that expectation if it's unclear)
[13:55] <MonkeyDust> t3hb055nueb  consider using clint
[13:55] <magesing> Hi, when I try to install grub (grub-install /dev/sda) I get the error:"Path `/boot/grub' is not readable by GRUB on boot. Installation is impossible. Aborting."  I need a bootloader, how can I get passed this?
[13:56] <TViYH> arkie: talking to me?
[13:56] <arkie> whoever can help me TViYH
[13:56] <TViYH> o okay lol thought you were answering my question. but. yes, you can.
[13:57] <TViYH> arkie: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/23/install-ubuntu-11-04-on-external-hard-disk/
[13:58] <arkie> no
[13:58] <t3hb055nueb> [youtube] LXO-jKksQkM: Extracting video information
[13:58] <t3hb055nueb> ERROR: unable to download video
[13:58] <arkie> i dont want to install on the HDD
[13:58] <cfhowlett> 11.04 is end of life
[13:58] <arkie> i want to use the external HDD to install on my laptop
[13:58] <arkie> the site doesnt say if thats possible
[13:59] <wilee-nilee> magesing, From where are you running this grub-install command?
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> arkie  what do you mean by 'installing a HDD'?
[14:00] <ritz> hi, how do I query for upstart jobs based on description ?
[14:00] <Quest> the top tells top - 09:42:23 up 2 days,  1:57,  1 user,  load average: 2.32, 1.44, 0.62     what is the percentage of total cpu used?
[14:00] <arkie> i have windows 7 on my laptop MonkeyDust
[14:00] <arkie> ive downloaded ubuntu and want to install it and wipe windows 7 (no dual boot)
[14:01] <arkie> i dont have a usb drive handy so im asking if i can use a external hdd to do this
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> arkie  a CD or DVD maybe?
[14:01] <arkie> MonkeyDust, no dvd drive on laptop
[14:01] <arkie> and i dont own an external drive
[14:02] <snuggl> arkie: well a external drive and an usb drive should be the same thing
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> arkie  is the external drive not USB?
[14:04] <arkie> whats better
[14:04] <arkie> truecrypt or using the in build encryption on ubuntu?
[14:06] <dr_willis> i saw a tool for android phones to let you boot a pc via the phone  from an iso file on the phone. no usb flash needed..
[14:07] <Kh3SolO> ezaykom :D
[14:08] <arkie> snuggl, MonkeyDust
[14:08] <arkie> when installing from a usb drive
[14:09] <arkie> does it need to be formatted?
[14:09] <arkie> i have a bunch of important documents etc on my usb storage device
[14:09] <iceroot> arkie: use the build in encryption
[14:09] <arkie> can i not format it, dump the installation on there and install ubuntu to my laptop and keep everything on the usb device safe?
[14:09] <Chosi> you could still partition it.
[14:09] <arkie> iceroot, truecrypt isn't as good on linux?
[14:09] <dr_willis> from? they are normally fat32 or fat16 drives
[14:10] <john_doe_jr> When you install software onto a server…where do you usually download all the source code (I have to compile from source)….in the temp directory?
[14:10] <snuggl> akke: no it needs to be an ubuntu image
[14:11] <snuggl> arkie: event
[14:11] <iceroot> arkie: luks is the default on ubuntu so i would suggest to use the default which is tested officially
[14:11] <snuggl> even*
[14:11] <jrib> john_doe_jr: what are you installing?
[14:11] <iceroot> john_doe_jr: normally noone compiling software by hand on a server
[14:11] <iceroot> john_doe_jr: you want software with update-support which is managed by the repos
[14:12] <john_doe_jr> jrib: ffmpeg
[14:12] <iceroot> john_doe_jr: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[14:12] <john_doe_jr> I'm following the instructions found @ the following link: https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/wiki/UbuntuCompilationGuide
[14:12] <iceroot> john_doe_jr: why compiling? its in the repos
[14:12] <jrib> john_doe_jr: is there a reason you don't use libav?  That's what ubuntu provides in the repositories
[14:13] <snuggl> john_doe_jr: thats if you want to compile it your self, you should have a separate reason to do that, if you dont have a reason, use the prebuilt in the repos
[14:13] <john_doe_jr> snuggl: why offer the option to compile then…I don't understand…I guess to have the most up to date software?
[14:13] <snuggl> use it as a rule of thumb that never build from source if you dont know *why* it needs to be compiled
[14:14] <snuggl> john_doe_jr: because sometimes you have to do it
[14:14] <john_doe_jr> snuggl: ok…for example?
[14:14] <snuggl> for example if you want a later version then available in repos, or apply patches etc.
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> john_doe_jr  use what's in the repos, that's the easiest thing to do, the lastest is not always the best
[14:14] <snuggl> change the code yourself
[14:14] <snuggl> etc etc
[14:14] <john_doe_jr> snuggl: I see…thanks I understand now
[14:15] <snuggl> as a rule of thumb, package maintainers are better then us users on picking stuff that works togheter
[14:15] <snuggl> so trust them with it
[14:15] <snuggl> or they should be at least =)
[14:15] <john_doe_jr> If you notice the ./configure command enables a lot of options…does the precompiled binary using sudo apt-get install ffmpeg automatically have those options enabled?
[14:16] <Ian_Corne> Greetings
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> john_doe_jr  sudo apt-get install ffmpeg, then: man ffmpeg
[14:16] <Ian_Corne> Any way to resize a live partition?
[14:17] <cool_boy> hay there !
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Ian_Corne  gparted
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> that works on a live partition?
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> I need a serversided solution :)
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> so no gui apps
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Ian_Corne  guess you mean resizing partitions when you're in a live session
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> yes
[14:17] <IdleOne> Ian_Corne: you can't resize a mounted partition
[14:17] <Ian_Corne> ok
[14:18] <cool_boy> I have installed ubuntu 12.04 on my PC, but upper arrow key doesn't works on terminal
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> Boo
[14:18] <john_doe_jr> MonkeyDust: alight..I man ffmpeg and I don't see anything about the configuring options
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> My vps doesn't give me the option to choose my own partition table
[14:18] <cool_boy> If I type a command , I always need to retype it, Can't use upper arrow key's functionality
[14:18] <cool_boy> does someone have idea about it?
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> john_doe_jr  man shows the options
[14:18] <Pici> cool_boy: are you sure you're using bash?
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> cool_boy: if you prepend the command with a space, it'll not save it
[14:19] <cool_boy> Pici: what is bash?
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> are you copying commands from the web?
[14:19] <Pici> MonkeyDust: I think john_doe_jr wanted the ./configure options that were used to compile ffmpeg
[14:19] <IdleOne> Ian_Corne: sounds like you need to open a support ticket with the VPS
[14:19] <cool_boy> Ian_Corne: No
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> they don't support it IdleOne :)
[14:19] <Ian_Corne> I asked
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: sure, bash history rocks
[14:19] <Pici> cool_boy: what does echo $SHELL say?
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: if you run:  exec bash     do you get the functionality?
[14:20] <cool_boy> Pici: nothing ,blank
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> cool_boy: how did you start your terminal?
[14:21] <cool_boy> ActionParsnip: yes , it get if I do exec bash
[14:21] <cool_boy> Ian_Corne: ctrl + T
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: I have to do that on some solaris boxes I manage
[14:21] <Ian_Corne> normal standard 12.04 should give you bash when you open a terminal
[14:22] <snuggl> cool_boy: did you make the install?
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: cool_boy run:    sudo cp /root/.profile ~/.profile; sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.profile
[14:22] <Pici> ActionParsnip: whoa. if anything you should be copying /etc/skel/.profile
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Pici: either is fine
[14:23] <killer> hey
[14:23] <killer> is there  a way i can install kernel 3.6 in ubuntu 12.10 ....really i need it
[14:23] <ActionParsnip> Pici: but yeah skel would be mildly better
[14:23] <cool_boy> before run bash it was just '$ ' sign ...after running command it is "openerp@openerpserver:~$"
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> killer  you'd need a ppa, but that's not supported here and you'd be on your o<
[14:24] <MonkeyDust> own*
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: copy a .profile file from /etc/skel and chown it to your user, should do it
[14:25] <killer> MonkeyDust: i can always uninstall the kernel if it does not work
[14:25] <cool_boy> ActionParsnip: I ran this command sudo cp /root/.profile ~/.profile; sudo chown $USER:$USER ~/.profile
[14:25] <cool_boy> system asked password
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: yes, type your user login password (you will get no feedback)
[14:25] <cool_boy> but after reopen terminal , I get on the same problem
[14:26] <cool_boy> i did not get any feedback
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: you won't.
[14:27] <cool_boy> then?
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: do you need to run:  exec bash  again?
[14:27] <cool_boy> my problem is not solved
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> cool_boy:
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> run chsh /bin/bash
[14:27] <cool_boy> yes , I still do otherwise I am with same problem
[14:27] <Ian_Corne> or just chsh
[14:27] <Pici> cool_boy: run chsh, then enter your password, then enter /bin/bash
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> Pici: answer thief!
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> :p
[14:28] <redloff> hi
[14:28] <Pici> Ian_Corne: chsh /bin/bash is invalid, it doesn't take the shell as an argument.
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: run: ls -l ~/.bashrc     what is output?
[14:28] <cool_boy> Pici: chsh: user '/bin/bash' does not exist
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> well i' respondend with or just chsh :)
[14:28] <Ian_Corne> sorry
[14:29] <cool_boy> ActionParsnip: -rw-r--r-- 1 openerp openerp 3486 Apr  3  2012 /home/openerp/.bashrc
[14:29] <Ian_Corne> I should put my foot in my mounth and be sure first
[14:29] <redloff> I have an unrelated question. If you were to choose one of your fridge products that would talk to you whenever you open your fridge, which product it would be?
[14:29] <cool_boy> Ian_Corne: no problem, thanks
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: if you run:  whoami    does it say: openerp    ?
[14:29] <pii3> hi
[14:29] <cool_boy> ActionParsnip: yes
[14:29] <pii3> anyone ever installed openchange ?
[14:29] <Pici> redloff: #ubuntu-oftopic
[14:30] <redloff> Pici: thx
[14:30] <Pici> redloff: except spellec correctly
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: if you run:  ls -l ~/.profile     does it show the same?
[14:30] <simakk> help
[14:30] <cool_boy> ActionParsnip: yes, -rw-r--r-- 1 openerp openerp 140 Apr 10 19:55 /home/openerp/.profile
[14:30] <Ian_Corne> so cool_boy just run "chsh"
[14:30] <Ian_Corne> did you do that?
[14:31] <cool_boy> did nt work
[14:31] <cool_boy> :(
[14:33] <simakk> server certificate verification has failed metasploit , any pointers ?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: is the shell of your user set to bash?
[14:33] <simakk> my metasploit wont update
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> cool_boy: what is the output of:  grep openerp /etc/passwd     what is output?
[14:35] <cool_boy> openerp:x:1001:1001:Openerp:/home/openerp:/bin/sh
[14:35] <Pici> cool_boy: type chsh
[14:36] <cool_boy> Pici: says
[14:36] <cool_boy> Enter the new value, or press ENTER for the default
[14:36] <cool_boy> 	Login Shell [/bin/sh]:
[14:36] <Pici> cool_boy: type /bin/bash
[14:36] <cool_boy> i Pressed enter
[14:36] <mouseofthesteppe> hello! if we're logged into an ubuntu cmd as user, how do we get to var/cache/apt?
[14:36] <Pici> cool_boy: don't take the default, you need to replace that with /bin/bash
[14:37] <cool_boy> Pici: thanks, works
[14:37] <mouseofthesteppe> I don't actually know how to get out of this user into a normal directory
[14:37] <cool_boy> thank you soo ooooooooooo much
[14:37] <cool_boy> :)
[14:38] <mouseofthesteppe> I know its cd, but that doesn't do it for user
[14:38] <Myrtti> mouseofthesteppe: /var/cache/apt or var/cache/apt?
[14:38] <Myrtti> there is a difference.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> Myrtti: depends on pwd. It could be the same ;)
[14:39] <mouseofthesteppe> myrtti: when browsing the GUI, i want to go to the var thats sitting in the most basic of directories
[14:39] <mouseofthesteppe> before home
[14:40] <mouseofthesteppe> its the apt that holds all the downloads
[14:40] <mouseofthesteppe> so i can check a sha1
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: then run:  nautilus /var/cache/apt/archives
[14:40] <mouseofthesteppe> ActionParsnip: no password
[14:41] <mouseofthesteppe> I mean yes password, same one
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: your user can read the data without need for any passwords
[14:42] <mouseofthesteppe> ActionParsnip: your command opens the window, is that a sign?
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: yes, you can now see the old deb files etc
[14:42] <t3hb055nueb> how do I disable the guest account?
[14:43] <mouseofthesteppe> ActionParsnip: sure but I want to know how to get to the directory inside the command line, because as far as i'm aware, its required to be inside a directory to check the sum1 of a file in it
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[14:44] <Pici> mouseofthesteppe: you can just do sha1sum /path/to/file
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: sudo passwd -l guest
[14:44] <t3hb055nueb> -l?
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: read the man page
[14:45] <t3hb055nueb> ActionParsnip: Thanks, I did. Man -l? didnt get it
[14:45] <mouseofthesteppe> ActionParsnip: thanks, i'm there. i got hung up on why cd /var had worked but cd /cache hadn't and thought it had to do with users, but now i'm there so i'll do the sha1 test
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: man passwd
[14:46] <t3hb055nueb> man passwd
[14:46] <Pici> t3hb055nueb: on a terminal, not here.
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: cd /cache    would only work if there was a folder called cache in the root of the file ssytem next to /etc and /home
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> mouseofthesteppe: if you drop the leading '/' it will enter the folder if it is present in the pwd
[14:47] <t3hb055nueb> sudo passwd -l 'Guest Session' does not exist
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-tiphow-to-disable-guest-account-in-ubuntu-12-04precise.html
[14:49] <t3hb055nueb> ActionParsnip: Thanks bud
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: went to a search engine and typed:  ubuntu disable guest account
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> t3hb055nueb: nothing fancy....
[14:52] <t3hb055nueb> i'll start doing that
[14:53] <magesing> Hi everyone, How do I play with grub2's configuration having booted from the install media?
[14:53] <t3hb055nueb> sudo restart lightdm... terminal is stuck at that point
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> magesing: in what way?
[14:54] <magesing> ActionParsnip: telling it where / is, which kernel to boot etc.
[14:54] <magesing> ActionParsnip: the auto-install of grub from the installer failed
[14:54] <magesing> ActionParsnip: so I'm stuck doing it myself
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> magesing: do you dual boot?
[14:55] <magesing> ActionParsnip: no, but I am installing on a software raid-1 setup
[14:55] <magesing> ActionParsnip: the installer doesn't play nicely with mdadm
[14:55] <newba> hi, don't know where to ask for help… I'm getting lots of connection timeouts to launchpad.net servers, from AWS
[14:56] <magesing> ActionParsnip: to get the install to happen I had to mdadm --assemble all my /deb/md devices, and then the installer could see them
[14:56] <magesing> ActionParsnip: that's /dev/md devices
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> newba: I'd ask in #launchpad then :)
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> magesing: i've not played with mdadm
[14:56] <magesing> ActionParsnip: the arrays are up and working
[14:56] <newba> ActionParsnip: yeah tks
[14:56] <magesing> ActionParsnip: I just need to know how to get at the grub2 configuration
[14:57] <magesing> I've been reading that I need to edit some files in /etc and then grub-update
[14:57] <magesing> however the /etc in my current root is on a ramdisk, so I don't think editing those files would be too helpful
[14:57] <magesing> do I have to mount everything and chroot for this to work?
[14:58] <anew> so when running top what does the bold line mean ?
[15:00] <magesing> Are there any helpful grub configuration utilities on the install media?
[15:02] <daschel> can anyone recommend a text-based web browser? I can only start in recovery mode
[15:02] <wilee-nilee> magesing, You might consider using the biitscript and posting at the ubuntu forums.
[15:02] <wilee-nilee> bootscript&
[15:02] <magesing> wilee-nilee: what is the biitscript?
[15:03] <wilee-nilee> magesing, bootscript sorry, http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[15:03] <ctfTijG> daschel: lynx
[15:03] <daschel> thanks
[15:04] <wilee-nilee> magesing, A good tool for showing your setup for help, without the 100 questions. ;)
[15:04] <ctfTijG> ur welcome
[15:04] <machinarius> Hey guys, anyone knows why connecting to a new network on lubuntu 12.10 (with the bcwm sources package installed) requires root password?
[15:04] <magesing> wilee-nilee: that's handy
[15:05] <DrGrov> How did I mount my hard drive, running a Live CD? Gotta go in a fix my xorg.conf... again...
[15:06] <DrGrov> How would I know what is the cause if the TV says that there is no signal, is that that the modeline I inserted was somewhat right but just out of range?
[15:06] <machinarius> DrGrov: sudo -i, fdisk -l (To find which disk is your /), mkdir /mnt/something, mount /dev/xxxx /mnt/something
[15:06] <wilee-nilee> magesing, There is a another tool called bootrepair that will run the script without repairing as well, with a little more info, just hit the bootinfo summary. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:06] <DrGrov> sudo -i, fdisk -l
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> DrGrov: you mount partitions, not hard drives
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> machinarius: are there any bugs reported?
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> machinarius: what is the output of:  groups
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> machinarius: which network managing application are you using?
[15:09] <machinarius> ActionParsnip: I am using the network manager applet, default on lubunu
[15:09] <magesing> wilee-nilee: I think boot-repair is what i'm after
[15:10] <machinarius> ActionParsnip: $ groups -> erika adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare (erika is my username)
[15:10] <wilee-nilee> magesing, Be careful using it for repair is all I would say, I prefer the command line myself. ;)
[15:10] <duckstep> has the package grub-md5-crypt changed? i cannot find it on my system and it is not in the apt repository
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> machinarius: looks ok, are there any bugs reported?
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> duckstep: could check on http://packages.ubuntu.com
[15:11] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Ok, I got it now and did the necessary changes.
[15:11] <magesing> wilee-nilee: well, I'm trying to repair my bootloader from the command line, however, I'm not familiar enough with grub2 yet
[15:11] <DrGrov> ActionParsnip: Thanks
[15:11] <DrGrov> Brb
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> magesing: omgubuntu has a great guide entitled:  sticking it to grub
[15:11] <magesing> wilee-nilee: the config files arn't in /boot anymore, so I need both /boot and /etc mounted and chrooted I suppose for grub-update to work
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> magesing: lets you fix grub using chroot from live cd
[15:11] <wilee-nilee> magesing, Grub 2 is fairly easy the raid1 makes it more difficult, at least for me I have never run any raid.
[15:12] <duckstep> ActionParsnip: "Sorry, your search gave no results"
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> duckstep: search launchpad, there may be a changelog
[15:12] <battlehands> Hello.  I'm trying to install MEVBench.  The README is found here: https://raw.github.com/jlclemon/MEVBench/master/README.  I'm on the Building MEVBench section Note 1.  I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS using VirtualBox.  Do I need to install the 3rd party libraries listed in Note 1?
[15:12] <magesing> oh the price I pay to be safe from hard-drive failures
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> magesing: fairly cheap, usb storage is cheap
[15:13] <t3hb055nueb> can I use wine to play starcraft?
[15:13] <jambeedrum> hi does anyone knows if the ubuntu forums on the web have a section for science?
[15:13] <jambeedrum> anyone helping?
[15:13] <machinarius> ActionParsnip: A quick google search does not reveal any wireless bugs on lubuntu
[15:14] <shiin> jambeedrum: have you looked yet?
[15:14] <jambeedrum> ive been a bit of trouble navigating trought the menus, ill try
[15:14] <RedViper> Hi, I am installing a dual boot with Windows 7 on a 160GB Hard Drive and Ubuntu 12.04 on a 500GB Hard Drive, But I am unsure of setting up the Linux partitions so could someone take a look a my pastebin and help me on what to do and what is the best option?
[15:15] <jambeedrum> is there a off topic like in freenode?
[15:15] <cereal> So I've setup bonding with a bridge.  Everything is working fine except every once in a while on reboot the mac-address changes even though I've set the hwaddress of my bond interface.  This never was a problem before I added the bridge to the setup.  Any tips or suggestions on what to do?  Seems like 25% of the time it uses one of the ethX interface hwaddresses instead.  http://hastebin.com/xacodoride.cpp
[15:15] <RedViper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695627/
[15:15] <magesing> ActionParsnip: I wasn't referring to the costs of storage, I was referring to the headaches I buy myself by using a RAID setup
[15:16] <magesing> ActionParsnip: I also do pereodic backups of my data to an external drive
[15:16] <shiin> this channel seems to be flooded with questions.
[15:16] <jambeedrum> shiin: i found it, ty
[15:16] <shiin> jambeedrum: most welcome.
[15:19] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, Logicals are inside a extended, root at least 20 gigs, home is your choice as far as needs, personally I don't bother with separating them.
[15:19] <jambeedrum> shiin: im interested in the human body, not getting very lucky.. i just found something about astronomy
[15:20] <andycc> I have a small problem - ping, apt-get, elinks and the like refuse to resolve domains, but I can ping any IP, resolve domains with dig and browse with Chromium just fine. Does anyone here have any idea what's going on?
[15:20] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: root is / - right? 20GB is ok. What do you mean by separating them?
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> andycc  DNS issue
[15:22] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, Separate root from home, some like this for easy upgrades and other reasons, I keep all my stuff on externals so not needed.
[15:22] <shiin> jambeedrum: you're looking for packages related to medicine and science?
[15:22] <wilee-nilee> the home is kept for the upgrade
[15:23] <jambeedrum> shiin: it could help
[15:23] <andycc> MonkeyDust: what kind of issue would you say it is? I can ping all my DNS servers and dig works.
[15:23] <shiin> jambeedrum: you're probably looking for a different distro then
[15:23] <DrGrov> I am so happy, so happy!
[15:23] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: Could you open up my paste bin and show me how one would sort that out?
[15:23] <MonkeyDust> andycc  guess you don't have your DNS server specified
[15:24] <DrGrov> I got the screen now to 1920x1080 with nouveau even if it persisted all the time at 1360x768.
[15:24] <ClientAlive> I'm running awesome wm (along with things like mc and w3m - console apps) in a virtual box vm. I'm having hot key confilicts with Ubuntu 12.04 (my host) and I need some clues where to work on solving the problem. Can anyone advise please?
[15:24]  * DrGrov is happy, so happy. So happy so happy
[15:24] <jambeedrum> shiin: ive been watching brain documentaries on you tube, theyr ok, ive been checking on forumns on the web, i dint got entusiathic, since i simpatize with linux and know there offtopic topics
[15:24] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, A little more help than I have time to give really, it gets a bit frustrating to do this when the info is on the web.
[15:25] <jambeedrum> diferent distro..
[15:25] <shiin> jambeedrum: http://www.medfloss.org/node/256 like those?
[15:25] <ClientAlive> it may also be partly due to the laptop itself though (part of it). It is a newer HP and the F keys serve a dual purpose (things like volume and toggle illuminated keyboard, etc).
[15:25] <jambeedrum> let me check
[15:26] <jambeedrum> whats a distro for science or medecine?
[15:26] <ClientAlive> jambeedrum: scientific linux is one
[15:26] <ClientAlive> jambeedrum: for forensic work there is SMART linux but I think you have to pay for it
[15:27] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: Pardon my intelligence then. It gets even more frustrating when one cant get help. Could you point me in the right direction? A web page explaining would be nice?
[15:27] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, I would say the ubuntu forums is an excellent place to get help in this.
[15:27] <andycc> MonkeyDust: I just manually edited resolv.conf, it works now - NetworkManager isn't working properly, it seems. Thanks.
[15:28] <cypt_not_avaible> Hello can somebody help me out>
[15:28] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, It is a simple as booting the live cd and choosing the something else optio and pointing the install at the second drive and making sure grub is in its mbr.
[15:28] <ClientAlive> RedViper: can you paste the link again? No promises but if I can help I will. Just that I just came on the chanel and can't see your earlier conversation in the screen.
[15:28] <wilee-nilee> s/option
[15:28] <jambeedrum> shiin: i think those distros are for professionals
[15:28] <MonkeyDust> andycc  great (y)
[15:28] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: Why should it be any different from here. In fact  need to get over t problem as soon as possible?
[15:29] <cypt_not_avaible> Wenn i start up my laptop he is sayting crypt setup not avaible
[15:29] <RedViper> ClientAlive: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695627/
[15:29] <ClientAlive> RedViper: one moment
[15:29] <shiin> jambeedrum: thats the point, you're talking about science and medicine. those are two highly professional topics.
[15:29] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, Not to offend you, but this is hand holding, and the IRC does not equate faster.
[15:30] <wilee-nilee> one gets tired of having to work so hard to explain stuff is all after 1000's of times
[15:30] <ClientAlive> RedViper: please describe your goal
[15:30] <HelenaKitty> Guys?
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> HelenaKitty
[15:30] <cypt_not_avaible> Wenn i start up my laptop he is sayting crypt setup not avaible
[15:30] <HelenaKitty> I'm about to install Ubuntu onto a nexus 7. Please could you tell me if this will work for armhf and perform smoothly? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/how-to-get-netflix-streaming-on-ubuntu-1210/4019
[15:30] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: If you could not be bothered to help then please dont waste my time!
[15:31] <jambeedrum> shiin: do you think those distros have a applications for "learning" or preformind?
[15:31] <jambeedrum> preforming
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> HelenaKitty: I don't know if the PPA supportes ARM, you may want to check
[15:31] <HelenaKitty> I don't use Ubuntu so idk.
[15:31] <Myrtti> HelenaKitty: ubuntu and ubuntu touch are different things. I doubt you'd be able to.
[15:31] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, Heh, no problem, and that attitude will not help you, I was jsut being honest with how much I will help. ;)
[15:32] <HelenaKitty> Myrtti: Explain?
[15:32] <RedViper> ClientAlive: I am installing a dual boot with Windows 7 on a 160GB Hard Drive and Linux Mint on a 500GB Hard Drive, But I am unsure of setting up the Linux partitions on two separate hard disks.
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> RedViper  have you asked help in the !mint channel?
[15:32] <Myrtti> HelenaKitty: ActionParsnips answer pretty much says it all.
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> RedViper: mint isn't supported here
[15:33] <ClientAlive> RedViper: what I can do is try to find you link with some info. I can't guarantee what I will find but if you give me 10 min I will look.
[15:33] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: Pointless Chatter Thanks for your help
[15:33] <wilee-nilee> RedViper, LOl I gave you the information needed you just do not understand it. ;)
[15:34] <RedViper> ActionParsnip: MonkeyDust: I mean Ubuntu 12.04. Sorry I am working with mint on another machine :)
[15:34] <RedViper> wilee-nilee: Thanks :)
[15:34] <ClientAlive> RedViper: is it an efi install or BIOS? Do you plan to put both operating systems on one disk and data storage on the other disk or will you place one operating system on each disk?
[15:35] <HelenaKitty> Okay some guy has installed Netflix on his Ubuntu Nexus 7.
[15:35] <wilee-nilee> HelenaKitty, Ubuntu on a nexus is rather problematic, and adding netflix is a going to make it worse.
[15:35] <snuggl> RedViper: swap - use as much as you have RAM, or more, /home - enough to store all normal files like docs, music. movies
[15:35] <HelenaKitty> wilee-nilee: Explain?
[15:35] <snuggl> and / for the rest
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> HelenaKitty: You can contact the maintainer of the PPA https://launchpad.net/~ehoover
[15:35] <HelenaKitty> I just want more freedom :(
[15:35] <snuggl> RedViper: if you only have three partitions you dont need logical
[15:35] <poisoned_dragon> RedViper, were you just on the spotchat server asking that question in a linuxmint room?
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> HelenaKitty: if Netflix is a requirement of the device then I would stick with Android
[15:35] <snuggl> RedViper: its used to go over the four partition limit
[15:35] <poisoned_dragon> I recognize the paste.
[15:35] <wilee-nilee> HelenaKitty, I have loaded ubuntu to my nexus 7 numerous times, it has problems with locking up and just is not responsive.
[15:36] <RedViper> ClientAlive: Its off a Live CD and I want to put An operating system on each Hard disk
[15:36] <snuggl> RedViper: and mount points are / and /home respective
[15:36]  * tgm4883 wonders how "wanting more freedom" also includes needing to use a proprietary service
[15:36] <snuggl> RedViper: anything else you wish to know?
[15:36] <HelenaKitty> oh
[15:36] <RedViper> snuggl: How tp
[15:36] <HelenaKitty> That's cause Ubuntu get heavier by release. :/
[15:36] <snuggl> RedViper: i cannot parse that sentence
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> HelenaKitty: not really
[15:37] <RedViper> snuggl: How to set it up would be helpful as I am very unsure how to do it?
[15:37] <HelenaKitty> Either way I know what I am doing so if it all fails I can restore back to android.
[15:37] <wilee-nilee> HelenaKitty, It is a development thing as of now is all the ubuntu touch is getting more work.
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> HelenaKitty: its because services like netflix refuse to support teh ubuntu platform
[15:37] <snuggl> RedViper: just use the partition tool in the installer
[15:37] <HelenaKitty> okies
[15:37] <HelenaKitty> ActionParsnip: Er...
[15:37] <HelenaKitty> I know that
[15:37] <snuggl> RedViper: its no worries if its goes wrong, just redo
[15:37] <HelenaKitty> but you said Ubuntu itself locks up
[15:38] <megha> i want to learn ubuntu packaging from where i can start learning...??
[15:38] <HelenaKitty> megha: How about...
[15:38] <HelenaKitty> you learn APT all together
[15:38] <RedViper> snuggl: I like you thinking :). Ufortunately I don't really have time for redo's.
[15:38] <tgm4883> megha, http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> megha: look into checkinstall
[15:38] <wilee-nilee> HelenaKitty, If you are familiar with flashing the nexus, I would say try it, first hand experience is probably your bet bet.
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> !checkinstall
[15:39] <wilee-nilee> *best
[15:39] <snuggl> RedViper: tbh you could have done 3-4 tries in this time =) its quite fast
[15:39] <tgm4883> ActionParsnip, checkinstall isn't a replacement for packaging
[15:39] <snuggl> RedViper: i would just do a swap that is as big as your RAM, then one partition for root
[15:39] <megha> thanks HelenaKitty tgm4883 ActionParsnip :)
[15:40] <HelenaKitty> You're welcome!
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> tgm4883: it makes deb files from compiled source, it is part of packaging
[15:40] <RedViper> snuggl: No, not an entire reinstall, and I want to do it properly. I also dont know what to set to Primary or Logical? Or Beginning or End?