[17:50] <DJones> dan01: I didn't, I think they're included by default
[17:50] <OerHeks> Komanda34223234, all those steps with non-supported ubuntu packages, try ##aws ?
[17:50] <Komanda34223234> mixnet example says cudnn not initializing
[17:51] <Tachyon_> hello. if I put windows 10 on hibernate and start ubuntu I don't have internet. but if I put windows 10 on hibernate, switch off current alimentator, go for a while and then come back and start ubuntu, I have. it is anything I can do so I can have internet on ubuntu imediately after I put win 10 on hibernate ?
[17:51] <dan01> Djones: Thanks! So I can just use additional drivers? No need to take the lates drivers from nvidia.com? I fear the ones from the repo are outdated...
[17:52] <DJones> dan01: I use the repo versions, the ones from nvidia's site wouldn't be supported here
[17:56] <fullstack> can somebody shoe me their vannilla /etc/hosts ?
[17:56] <fullstack> vanilla ice
[17:57] <Tachyon_> I know this is a channel about ubuntu and not windows, but I don't feel like would be any help to ask in a windows channel. this is only my personal opinion
[17:57] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, known issue. and it is not going to be solved.
[17:58] <OerHeks> windows hijacks your machine with their formula.
[17:58] <EriC^^> fullstack: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23212438/
[17:58] <fullstack> EriC^^, thjank you
[17:58] <EriC^^> np
[17:58] <Tachyon_> OerHeks: ummm.. no way to reset it ?
[17:59] <V7> Hello all
[17:59] <V7> I have 16.04 and my WiFi truens off aftersometime
[17:59] <V7> What I can do ?
[17:59] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, don't know how, remove battery and plug it back in?
[17:59] <Tachyon_> OerHeks: I don't have a battery. it's a desktop pc
[18:00] <Tachyon_> is hibernation so unusual on desktops ?
[18:00] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, one solution: stop using sleep/hybernate on windows, and also no fastboot
[18:00] <cscf> Tachyon_, there's usually no need for it on desktops
[18:01] <OerHeks> Tachyon_, it is a windows thing, that is bugging, complaint to them?
[18:02] <Tachyon_> I use it for faster get into work. usually I just left my visual studio opened(it does start pretty slow) -- and yes, I am trying to move to linux at all, but in time
[18:02] <V7> Guys ? What I can do if my WIFi connection is staying ok, but internet connection just fu* up after 5 mins of working ?
[18:02] <V7> Other devices working well
[18:02] <V7> So ... on Ubuntu 16.04 this happens ...
[18:02] <V7> Only
[18:03] <joelio> V7: what adapter, there are some with broken drivers
[18:03] <V7> Here I can find an information ?
[18:03] <joelio> there are fixes though, but it depends...
[18:03] <V7> Where *
[18:04] <EriC^^> lspci | grep Network
[18:06] <sardior> no menu bar, no launcher, one profile (main-single user). created profile, menu bar launcher works. none of ask Ubuntu solutions work.
[18:06] <MonkeyDust> sardior  try a reinstall
[18:07] <sardior> 1.5TB drive reinstall? of my whole system? No, I'll go to a different distro before I do that.
[18:08] <tgm4883> sardior: so you created a new user and everything works for the new user?
[18:08] <sardior> yes
[18:08] <tgm4883> sardior: easiest fix then would be to just mv your files to the new user
[18:08] <sardior> THAT is much, much easier said than done.
[18:09] <EriC^^> sardior: try mv ~/.config ~/.config.old
[18:09] <tgm4883> sardior: Why?
[18:09] <EriC^^> you basically have to do them one by one to find the culprit, did you run the find -exec chown command?
[18:11] <sardior> Eric^^: yes, I did it on the whole directory with -hR
[18:12] <EriC^^> sardior: try renaming ~/.config & then maybe ~/.gconf, as tgm4883 asked, why is it a problem to move your files to the new user?
[18:12] <sardior> I have an almost full 1.5TB drive....
[18:12] <sardior> Dual boot
[18:12] <sardior> etc
[18:12] <EriC^^> moving the files won't take long, unless there's a kazillion of them
[18:12] <cscf> sardior, if it's on the same filesystem, mv is instant
[18:12] <tgm4883> sardior: that doesn't answer anything though? What does it being a dual boot have to do with it?
[18:12] <EriC^^> copying on the other hand..
[18:13] <cscf> or pretty much
[18:13] <\9> unless the move crosses a filesystem boundary
[18:13] <\9> in which case it
[18:13] <\9> 's a copy+delete
[18:13] <sardior> I have crossovers
[18:14] <tgm4883> \9: which it wouldn't be in this case
[18:14] <\9> hmm
[18:14] <EriC^^> sardior: rename your home dir, delete your user, create it again fresh, then move your files into the new home dir
[18:14] <V7> So .. ?
[18:15] <V7> Anything about WiFi ytouble ?
[18:15] <V7> trouble *
[18:15] <V7> Maybe anyone had this problem ?
[18:15] <EriC^^> sardior: renaming ~/.config usually does it if you'd rather not move stuff around
[18:15] <V7> Which one driver is the better one for WiFi adapter ?
[18:15] <OerHeks> V7, no info about what wifi device exactly? no answer ..
[18:16] <sardior> I renamed it. I've done that several times and it doesn't fix the problem. There is a dependency permissions problem and I can't find it.
[18:16] <V7> OerHeks, I asked for a command
[18:16] <V7> Which one exactly info you need ?
[18:16] <V7> This is itegrated WiFi adapter of Ideapad laptop
[18:16] <EriC^^> sardior: did you try ~/.gconf ?
[18:17] <EriC^^> sardior: try find ~ -type f -exec chmod 660 {} \;
[18:17] <sardior> no, that's the only one I haven't tried. rename ~/.gconf?
[18:17] <EriC^^> and find ~ -type d -exec chmod 770 {} \;
[18:17] <OerHeks> V7 you know enough comands to see what hardware you have.
[18:17] <EriC^^> sardior: yeah
[18:17] <V7> 1 sec
[18:18] <butch30> my new printer lists compatible operating systems but not LInux. Can Linux install it?
[18:19] <V7> Realtek RTL8821AE
[18:19] <OerHeks> butch30, check openprinting.org, or your vendor driver page?
[18:20] <sardior> Yes, I've been using linux since 1998 in some form or another. and I recognize devices very well
[18:21] <sardior> I just tried the two commands you gave me and nothing returned and had to ctrl-c to get out
[18:21] <tgm4883> sardior: are you sure it wasn't still searching? 1.5TB is kinda large
[18:22] <EriC^^> ^
[18:22] <OerHeks> V7, lots of bugreports without solution, all you can do is confirm the latest, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1526683 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1526683
[18:22] <sardior> I can try again. hang on for a bit.
[18:24] <paraj> I just upgraded from Ubuntu 14.04 to Ubuntu 16.04. On a boot, the monitors don't show the expected graphical display ... for example, the login screen. The screen shows a bunch of lines with the last one being "[OK] Started update UTMP about system runlevel changes"
[18:24] <V7> OerHeks, So .. there's no solution ...
[18:25] <OerHeks> V7 only trottle back to wireless b/g .. maybe
[18:25] <sardior> tgm4883: still wating for the first command to come back.
[18:25] <V7> ...
[18:26] <OerHeks> "if a vendor does not give proper support, don't buy it"
[18:27] <tgm4883> sardior: ok
[18:27] <sardior> ok... some useful information: console.error:
[18:27] <sardior>   Corrupt session file (invalid JSON found)
[18:28] <sardior> Message: SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected end of data at line 1 column 1 of the JSON data
[18:29] <Dudeface> Friend just pointed me to an article about M$ buying canonical and plans to kill off Ubuntu, but I can't find much more information or any roadmap or anything. Anyone know of any more info-heavy articles about this?
[18:29] <nacc> Dudeface: that is not ot for the support channel
[18:29] <OerHeks> Dudeface, drop your friend
[18:29] <Dudeface> oop, sorry
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> Dudeface  it was an april fish of a few years ago
[18:30] <Dudeface> ahh rad
[18:30] <akik> Dudeface: why not link the article here?
[18:31] <sardior> tgm4883: did that last error message mean anything that you could understand?
[18:31] <nacc> akik: because it's offtopic
[18:31] <tgm4883> sardior: I think you want EriC^^ to look at it. My recommendation was to mv files
[18:31] <akik> nacc: you're not interested whether microsoft buys canonical?
[18:31] <OerHeks> find april 1 microsoft buy canonical onion
[18:31] <Dudeface> akik Just finally looked @ date, yeah it's April 1st, but this year from Fossbytes: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwic4LuHjKHPAhVU02MKHXJfBskQFggeMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffossbytes.com%2Fmicrosoft-buys-canonical-kills-ubuntu-linux-forever%2F&usg=AFQjCNFJqKLFcOz0MicFm2RW1MS11bthYg&sig2=0j4P9zkkW4WD2ucxq7kaAg
[18:32] <sardior> Eric^^: did those last messages mean anything to you?
[18:32] <tgm4883> akik: because it's not support
[18:32] <nacc> akik: it's not a support topic.
[18:32] <Dudeface> also that
[18:32] <EriC^^> sardior: nope
[18:32] <sardior> Eric^^: it looks like a corrupted JSON file.
[18:33] <OerHeks> akik: it turns out the other way round: microsoft goes opensource..
[18:33] <sardior> OerHeks: ya, that' s what I've been seeing too.
[18:34] <paraj> It's actually 16.04.1. The graphics card on my system is Radeon HD 4870.
[18:35] <sardior> ok... see ya'll later...
[18:39] <xingling> is there a way of making my programs to minimize when i click them on the task bar?
[18:42] <paraj> Synopsis: upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04.1. graphical display is gone. graphics card: Radeon HD 4870. '$ sudo service lightdm start' to no avail.
[18:43] <xingling> is there a way of making my programs to minimize when i click them on the task bar?
[18:44] <BluesKaj_> paraj, drop to a VT/TTY and update and upgrade then reboot
[18:44] <Dudeface> xingling Unity Tweak Tool will allow you to set that up, if you use the Unity launcher as your taskbar
[18:44] <Dudeface> Launcher settings, 'minimize single window applications on click'
[18:45] <BluesKaj_> too late
[18:45] <Dudeface> ahh darn
[18:45] <BluesKaj_> was gonna suggest iconify
[18:53] <paraj> BluesKaj, I just tried that sequence. It didn't work. one more thing, /etc/X11/xorg.conf file was missing. Does it affect the X Window server?
[19:03] <Bray90820> SCHAAP137: You around?
[19:04] <doc|work> hey. I'm trying to get an updated version of gstreamer1.0-vaapi but using the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed and trying to get a new version of gstreamer1.0 doesn't seem to work. While installing gstreamer1.0/xenial-proposed I get the following output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23212693/ Anyone got any idea why?
[19:05] <OerHeks> doc|work, did you ran updates after enabling proposed? that might require a reboot too
[19:05] <doc|work> OerHeks, I did
[19:06] <nacc> fwiw, there is no newer gstreamer1.0-vaapi in proposed
[19:06] <doc|work> nacc, exactly :)
[19:06] <nacc> and gstreamer1.0 is a source pacakge
[19:06] <doc|work> oh...
[19:06] <nacc> so you told it to install all binaries built from that package
[19:07] <doc|work> gstreamer1.0-vaapi does exist though, right?
[19:07] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/gstreamer1.0-libav
[19:07] <doc|work> nacc, ok, you lost me. Why is that a problem? Does that not get me the libs I want?
[19:07] <doc|work> OerHeks, does that contain vaapi?
[19:08] <doc|work> OerHeks, I specifically need vaapi support :/
[19:08] <OerHeks> just updating would give that proposed package, if gstreamer was installed in the first place
[19:08] <doc|work> OerHeks, updating which?
[19:08] <OerHeks> i don't see newer vaapi too...
[19:08] <doc|work> yeah
[19:09] <nacc> doc|work: gstreamer1.0-vappi is built from gstreamer-vaapi
[19:09] <nacc> doc|work: not gstreamer1.0
[19:11] <doc|work> nacc, ok, I don't understand that. I install gstreamer1.0-vaapi to get it (non-proposed). Is that normal?
[19:11] <nacc> doc|work: why are you thinking there is a newer gstreamer1.0-vaapi?
[19:13] <doc|work> nacc: it's related to a bug fix I'm looking for in 1.8.3, which is vaapi related. That said it's not guaranteed to be in the lib. It's just it errors out so I wanted to make sure I was doing things right/ wasn't going to hose my system.
[19:14] <doc|work> yeah, it's erroring, then not doing the installation
[19:14] <nacc> doc|work: ok, but gstreamer1.0-vaapi does not come from gstreamer1.0
[19:15] <nacc> doc|work: so gstreamer1.0 getting updated in xenial-proposed doesn't help you ata ll
[19:16] <doc|work> nacc, is it possible gstreamer would be updated and vaapi wouldn't?
[19:16] <doc|work> (or likely)
[19:16] <nacc> yes, that is the case currently afaict
[19:16] <nacc> i'm not saying it should or shouldn't be
[19:17] <nacc> i know nothing about the packages themselves
[19:17] <doc|work> argh, ok, let me check in another channel
[19:17] <doc|work> thanks
[19:28] <maja> can any one help me figure out why i cant browse samba network
[19:28] <maja> smbtree says nothing on 2 ubuntu 16 boxes
[19:29] <maja> with and without password :(
[19:32] <ioria> maja, try to restart the services
[19:34] <amnix> How can I make a three finger tap on the touchpad to behave like a mouse middle button?
[19:35] <maja> ioria: have restarted both computers a number of times
[19:35] <maja> its been a few days
[19:35] <maja> amnix: i forget the name but there is a great super powerd mouse config app in apt
[19:36] <ioria> maja, in Nautilus -> browse network ?
[19:36] <amnix> maja: Don't remember what it was called?
[19:38] <maja> ioria: i do <ctr> l then enter smb:///
[19:38] <maja> ioria: nothing comes up
[19:38] <maja> ioria: but if i enter an ip then i can mount host
[19:38] <maja> we also have a windows box in the network that can't view either ubuntu box
[19:40] <yxabc_> guys, I replace all trusty in apt/source.list to yakkety.   It like resets back to the login
[19:41] <OerHeks> yxabc_, boot live iso, chroot and fix it.
[19:42] <maja> ioria: inactive....
[19:42] <teknoprep> yxabc_, you could install over top so that you keep your data using a new DVD
[19:42] <teknoprep> yxabc_, or follow something like this -- 4ub2k96s
[19:42] <teknoprep> http://askubuntu.com/questions/117027/cannot-recover-grub-due-to-missing-vmlinuz-and-intrd-img
[19:42] <ioria> maja,  can you browse the Network from windows ?
[19:42] <uRock> Does "load average" in htop equate to Ghz?
[19:42] <z80a> does Intel skylake processor still have issues with latest Linux kernel (or the other around)?
[19:43] <yxabc_> let me try, I got an iso on my windows
[19:43] <maja> ioria: nope :(
[19:44] <ioria> maja,  so what changed ? or never worked  ?
[19:44] <maja> ioria: no change nothing works
[19:44] <yxabc_> thank you all~
[19:45] <ioria> maja,   check /etc/samba/smb.conf  and the folder/share permissions
[19:46] <uRock> !htop
[19:47] <maja> ioria: its the network borwsing that isn't working
[19:48] <ioria> maja,   ping the windows box
[19:48] <maja> yup
[19:48] <maja> .20
[19:49] <Southern_Gentlem>  sharing turn on the wondows box and the windows box firewall open to sharing
[19:51] <ioria> maja,   if it's the first time you configure samba with a win machine , check the File Sharing in windows
[19:51] <Exec> Is there a painless way to clone some configuration of an xubuntu install to a different machine? (eg. packages and customization)
[19:52] <ioria> maja,   Advanced sharing settings (on win7)
[19:52] <maja> ioria: i look though them
[19:52] <maja> ioria: but there is also an ubuntu box thats shareing but can't be seen in the browser
[19:53] <chalbersma> Is this Ask Ubuntu Accurate (http://askubuntu.com/questions/804111/is-no-reboot-kernel-patching-enabled-in-16-04)? Is there now live kernel patching in Ubuntu 16.04?
[19:53] <maja> 1/win 4
[19:53] <ioria> maja,   check if you have these pkgs samba samba-common python-glade2 system-config-samba
[19:54] <maja> ioria: yup
[19:55] <ioria> maja,   cat /etc/samba/smb.conf | pastebinit
[19:55] <k1l_> chalbersma: afaik ubuntu doesnt ship no-reboot kernels. but you could make use of it with proper patches included in new built kernels
[19:57] <maja> ioria: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23212954/   cool i didn't know about that program
[19:57] <k1l_> chalbersma: i guess the guys in #ubuntu-kernel will know best
[19:58] <ioria> maja,   you have no shares
[19:58] <chalbersma> k1l_: Thanks I'll two check with them.
[19:59] <maja> ioria: i think thats done in other files
[19:59] <derpherp128> hiya
[19:59] <derpherp128> so i'm trying to look up hwo to set up ZNC on ubuntu 16.04.1 lts
[19:59] <derpherp128> all the guides tell me to sudo adduser znc, then su to znc
[19:59] <maja> ioria: i make file shares via gui
[19:59] <derpherp128> but even if i don't set a password, su prompts me for one
[19:59] <ioria> maja,   no experiences with that gui tool, sorry
[20:00] <ioria> maja,   i use only smb.conf
[20:00] <tgm4883> derpherp128: you'd need to 'sudo su - znc'
[20:00] <derpherp128> thanks!
[20:01] <maja> ioria: thanks :)
[20:01] <ioria> maja,  you're welcome :)
[20:02] <maja> ioria: still wonder why i can't brows things
[20:02] <maja> i could last month
[20:02] <derpherp128> tgm4883: now whenever i use a sudo command as "znc" i get asked for a password
[20:02] <ioria> maja,  well, i'd say because there is nothing to share
[20:02] <tgm4883> derpherp128: what guide are you following?
[20:03] <derpherp128> tgm4883: i'm about to terminate my ec2 instance and go back to 14.04 lts lol
[20:03] <derpherp128> tgm4883: https://www.vultr.com/docs/install-and-setup-znc-on-ubuntu
[20:03] <derpherp128> but instead of compiling from source i installed the znc package
[20:04] <tgm4883> derpherp128: the znc package in the repos?
[20:05] <derpherp128> tgm4883: correct
[20:07] <derpherp128> so u hyeah
[20:09] <tgm4883> derpherp128: it's been awhile since I ran znc, but you should be able to either A) Setup a config for yourself in /etc/<somewhere> or b) run znc as your user. A would only work if it runs as a service
[20:09] <tgm4883> derpherp128: you shouldn't need to be running any znc commands with sudo
[20:09] <squidberry> derpherp128: is the one in the repos the most recent znc? I had issues with it a long time ago
[20:09] <derpherp128> tgm4883: im actually having problems BEFORE that
[20:09] <derpherp128> like there's nothing under /usr/local/bin/znc
[20:10] <tgm4883> derpherp128: correct. You didn't compile from source so it wouldn't be in /usr/local
[20:10] <tgm4883> derpherp128: what part are you currently having trouble with?
[20:10] <derpherp128> im just terminating my ec2 instance now
[20:11] <squidberry> derpherp128: try following this guide, it worked for me https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-znc-an-irc-bouncer-on-an-ubuntu-vps
[20:11] <tgm4883> derpherp128: ok, it's your box. But you should just need to run 'znc'. not '/usr/local/bin/znc'
[20:11] <derpherp128> squidberry: i was looking at that, but it's from 12.04. will that matter?
[20:11] <squidberry> It worked on my 16.04 machine
[20:11] <derpherp128> i wish this was like arch -- arch's wiki is easy to read lol
[20:13] <tgm4883> derpherp128: so use arch then?
[20:13] <terrible> hey im using ubuntu 16 xenial and i want to know what display manager im using by default lightdm or gdm??
[20:13] <derpherp128> tgm4883: amazon ec2 doesn't have arch images afaik
[20:13] <tgm4883> derpherp128: don't run it in ec2 then?
[20:14] <tgm4883> derpherp128: really though, use something you're comfortable with
[20:14] <derpherp128> im not comfortable with linux :P
[20:14] <derpherp128> but i'm learningn slowly
[20:14] <th0r> terrible, try 'ps ax | grep dm'
[20:15] <tgm4883> derpherp128: well what you want to do isn't terribly difficult, and there was a guide posted for you to follow
[20:16] <derpherp128> yup! but i didn't follow the guide and compile
[20:16] <derpherp128> hence me starting fresh :)
[20:17] <terrible> th0r: ok thank you
[20:19] <terrible> th0r: another questions by the way do you know how to change the login screen pictures?
[20:19] <th0r> terrible, there are several steps...I don't know offhand but did it once, there are some nice tutorials on the web
[20:21] <terrible> th0r: i found that im using lightdm now how to change the login screen pictures
[20:22] <OerHeks> systemsettings > accounts > click picture
[20:22] <th0r> terrible, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+change+the+login+wallpaper+for+lightdm
[20:24] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[20:25] <ahotenus> hi
[20:25] <ahotenus> can i ask a question ples
[20:26] <OerHeks> !ask
[20:26] <ahotenus> okay thank u ubotu
[20:27] <ahotenus> am i in the right place
[20:28] <Pici> ahotenus: If its an Ubuntu question, sure.
[20:28] <ahotenus> my son gave me an x chat thing and he said use this instead stop phoning me when your computer isnt right
[20:28] <nacc> heh
[20:28] <nacc> ahotenus: what isn't right with your computer, then? :)
[20:29] <ahotenus> ok so my son put a new thing on my computer because he says to not use windows
[20:29] <ztane> anyone know how to solve graphics problems with intel drivers in gimp in 16.04
[20:29] <ztane> nothing ever refreshes
[20:30] <ahotenus> but now i cant find my photos
[20:30] <ahotenus> its little bit different now
[20:31] <MonkeyDust> !manual | ahotenus
[20:32] <ahotenus> okay i tried open that but i have no internet
[20:32] <weblwabl> Hi! I have a macbook 4,1 (early 2007) running ubuntu, and am having issues with the battery, the laptop works as long as it is plugged in, but dies when unplugged is this just a battery issue or firmware issue? I saw something online about updating the SMC firmware but how would i go about doing that on a linux based OS
[20:32] <ahotenus> i used to have internet but now i dont have
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  then how are you here?
[20:32] <ahotenus> on the x chat my son gave me
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  xchat runs on the internet too
[20:32] <ahotenus> i think this is right
[20:32] <Bray90820> Does ubuntu 16.04.1 come with 4.4.0-31 or4.4.0-36 kernel by default?
[20:33] <ahotenus> i think maybe i have different x chat mine isnt on the internet
[20:33] <ahotenus> it is in a different box it says x chat ahotenus @ free node / ubuntu
[20:33] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  we can see you over the internet
[20:33] <ahotenus> but the internet usually says internet explorer
[20:33] <k1l_> ahotenus: xchat is a program to use IRC. you are now using the ubuntu IRC channel. IRC doesnt work without internet.
[20:34] <ahotenus> or sometimes a different one after my son put linux
[20:34] <nacc> ahotenus: you'd use firefox, most likely, on ubuntu (at least by default, iirc)
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  are you now oin linux or in windows, to talk here?
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> in*
[20:34] <k1l_> ahotenus: internet explorer is a internet browser from windows. you will not have that on ubuntu. you can start firefox or chromium or chrome (or whatever browser you got installed) to use the web
[20:34] <uRock> What's the easiest command to delete the first 50 lines of a file?
[20:35] <ahotenus> monkeydust it is the new one
[20:35] <nacc> ahotenus: what we were saying before was simply that by being on IRC (here in this chat channel), you have internet connectivity.
[20:35] <ahotenus> its got the start menu on different side and it says ubutu when i turn it on
[20:35] <DArqueBishop> ahotenus: your best bet would be to call your son and say, "Hey, maybe you should spend a couple of hours teaching me how to use this OS."
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  what does the sceen look like the desktop?
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  what does the sceen look like, the desktop?
[20:36] <Rufus> Hello. Trying to run latest ansible to write logs to a file, but its failing. I've been strace-ing it, and apparently, not even as root, the proccess can't find /tmp . apparmour is off, running ubuntu 14 lts
[20:36] <ahotenus> darquebishop he wont help anymore he says he is not technical support desk and i am old enough to learn how to use a computer
[20:36] <ahotenus> he just says use the x chat
[20:36] <ahotenus> i am sorry :(
[20:37] <DArqueBishop> ahotenus: considering he put that on your computer and didn't tell you how to use it? Damn right he's technical support.
[20:37] <ahotenus> monkeydust its like purple
[20:37] <aGoose_> uRock: are you comfortable using vi or vim?
[20:37] <ztane> uRock: command line? sed -i.bak -e 'd1,50' yourfile.txt
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  with a bar on the left? if so, it's ubuntu
[20:37] <ztane> uRock: sorry* '1,50d'
[20:38] <ahotenus> darquebishop he help me at first but soon he said i need to learn
[20:38] <k1l_> ahotenus: what is your technical issue now?
[20:38] <DArqueBishop> ahotenus isn't using Ubuntu. He's on Fedora 24.
[20:38] <ahotenus> darquebishop only thing he told me is there is a problem between my keyboard and my chair, but then he says no more help until i help myself
[20:38] <th0r> you can't find the file explorer, but you are smart enough to preface your replies with a username? hmmmmmm
[20:39] <philo> I have a partition, which has a luks container, which has a gpt partition table on it.
[20:39] <ahotenus> th0r yes i have use the x chat before
[20:39] <ahotenus> darquebishop what is fedora 24
[20:40] <ahotenus> th0r the x chat help me when i couldnt go to the internet
[20:40] <th0r> of course it did
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> ahotenus  hit    ctrl-alt-t    on your keybaord
[20:40] <philo> if I point gparted at /dev/mapper/crypt, it opens the partition table and /dev/mapper/crypt1 and crypt2 appear
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> typo*
[20:40] <k1l_> ahotenus: you are not using ubuntu. so you are in the wrong channel in here. please ask the fedora support or the one who installed that linux on your system.
[20:40] <ahotenus> kll_ its says ubuntu when i start
[20:40] <ahotenus> kll_ is this correct
[20:41] <k1l_> ahotenus: dont troll in here. you are not using ubuntu.
[20:41] <uRock> aGoose_, Last time I tried to open it used up all of the RAM on my system, but I realized there are some lines at the beginning resembling script. It is a 32GB dictionary file.
[20:41] <ahotenus> kll_ i dont understand
[20:41] <philo> what command opens the gpt partition table?
[20:41] <ahotenus> kll_ please what am i using :S
[20:41] <uRock> ztane, does the -i bak create a backup?
[20:41] <k1l_> ahotenus: fedora 24, so ask in #fedora for help
[20:41] <ahotenus> monkeydust ctrl alt t
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> Hi
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> I've a little question
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> I'm on Lubuntu 16.04.1
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> methinks ahotenus perfectly knows what's s/he's using, but simply tries to be funny
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> And i was looking my interfaces, u know
[20:42] <Sir_Andrei> It appear an interface wlp7so (network interfaces)
[20:43] <Sir_Andrei> Not wlan0
[20:43] <aGoose_> uRock: oh so it's huge. yea sed is your best bet
[20:43] <uRock> thanks
[20:44] <eggos> is there a list of distros or releases that support certain hardware?
[20:44] <eggos> i'm wanting to migrate over from M**t
[20:44] <k1l_> !hcl | eggos
[20:45] <eggos> o0o0o how handy
[20:45] <eggos> I'm liking the ubuntu community already
[20:46] <eggos> well, the wireless card isn't compatible =(
[20:46] <k1l_> eggos: which card is it?
[20:47] <eggos> a broadcom
[20:47] <eggos> I just got home, I'm gonna pull up the exact number
[20:47] <derpherp128> alright, i finally got ZNC running. how do i set it as a service, so that it restarts automatically on reboot?
[20:47] <eggos> but from what I've read so far, that kind of card is bleh with linux
[20:47] <k1l_> most broadcoms just need the right driver, the prop. one.
[20:48] <ahotenus_> hi again sorry my x chat stop working
[20:48] <eggos> yeah, I updated with a driver that was suggested in the Driver Manager, but the connection is SLOW, so
[20:48] <eggos> I want to find the right driver, get it on a usb stick and download it, is that possible?
[20:48] <ahotenus_> also someone is sent me really nasty messages :S
[20:49] <ahotenus_> but yes please can you help
[20:50] <Sir_Andrei> Somebody know about that strange interface?
[20:50] <atrus> is it possible to have unattended-upgrades only install security upgrade automatically?
[20:51] <akik> Sir_Andrei: systemd made the change. the new method is called predictable network interface naming
[20:51] <yanome> https://irssi.org/2016/09/21/irssi-0.8.20-released/
[20:52] <Sir_Andrei> akik, Thx!
[20:55] <derpherp128> i followed the guide to compile and install znc, now i can't seem to access it
[20:55] <Pici> derpherp128: 'the guide' ? znc is in the Ubuntu repositories, there shouldn't be a need to install it froms source.
[20:56] <Guest79602> hi all, is there a particular flavor of Ubuntu that works the best on hyper-v?
[20:56] <ahotenus> hi sorry again is was same problem
[20:58] <anomaly6> :)
[20:59] <Guest79602> hi all, is there a particular flavor of Ubuntu that works the best on hyper-v?
[21:01] <plxdontkillme> without starting religious debate, can anyone point me to something discussing technical reasons upstart was abandoned? I am rolling my own linux distro, and was thinking about using upstart for it.
[21:02] <cscf> plxdontkillme, not sure that's on topic here
[21:02] <k1l_> plxdontkillme: the debian mailinglist and wiki from the decision should have all technical points. after that decision was made there is no one making effort to keep upstart alive. so it will be a dead end.
[21:03] <plxdontkillme> k1l_: as long as it works today, that's enough to start from. The debian ML discussed upstart?
[21:04] <Guest79602> im new to irc and this room, but my questionis, is there a particular flavor of Ubuntu that works the best on hyper-v?
[21:04] <plxdontkillme> cscf: Yeah, I thought about that, but since upstart was an ubuntu-spawned project, it was my best guess
[21:04] <k1l_> plxdontkillme: https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/
[21:05] <plxdontkillme> k1l_: thx
[21:05] <akik> plxdontkillme: 14.04 will use upstart until end of life
[21:05] <tgm4883> Guest79602: have you tried just standard Ubuntu?
[21:06] <Guest79602> no just wanted to know if someone had insight before installing
[21:06] <plxdontkillme> akik: Yeah, I'm just trying to give myself a path after that.
[21:06] <k1l_> Guest79602: i am not aware of any flavour more suited than another. Lubuntus focus is slow and old hardware in general. so that or you start with the minimal install if you look for a small footprint
[21:07] <tgm4883> Guest79602: I think you're going to have more difficultly finding an answer to that here. Most people in this channel don't run Microsoft products
[21:08] <Guest79602> very true, thought is was worth a shot
[21:08] <Guest79602> i do appreciate the input though
[21:15] <zivester> anyone know how to get the screen to come back on with nvidia + xubuntu 16.04 .. i think it went power save, and its not coming back.. can only get to terminals on ctrl+alt+f1-6, but 7 does nothing
[21:16] <plex_dave> I have a digital ocean server running 14.04.  I am only running icecast and mumble on it.  is there any advantage to upgrading to 16.04 in my limited use case?
[21:17] <tgm4883> plex_dave: no
[21:17] <plex_dave> didn't think so.  ain't broke, don't fix it.
[21:17] <tgm4883> plex_dave: well, you'd need to upgrade to 16.04 in order to upgrade to 18.04
[21:17] <tgm4883> plex_dave: but  yea, I wouldn't bother
[21:18] <plex_dave> Right, but that's a ways off... 14.04 is supported through 2018 (i think), which is quite a ways off....
[21:18] <tgm4883> yep
[21:18] <tgm4883> 14.04 is actually 2019
[21:19] <plex_dave> oh yeah, i am good
[21:20] <eggos> I have a driver on a usb
[21:20] <eggos> does anyone have a guide to downloading the driver on to the computer from the terminal?
[21:21] <soreau> on 16.04, can't connect to wifi because I get a dialog popup when trying to connect to any network, "Failed to add/activate connection\n(2) Active connection removed before it was initialized"
[21:21] <soreau> any workaround?
[21:21] <burning-hot7> H
[21:21] <pavlos> eggos, copy the driver from /dev/sdb1 to your home, then install it
[21:22] <eggos> im very newb
[21:22] <soreau> eggos: Can you see the usb files when you plug it in?
[21:22] <soreau> eggos: and firstly.. what makes you think you need a driver?
[21:22] <eggos> yes, I can open the folder and see documents, they've been extracted and in Home
[21:23] <pavlos> eggos, you plug in a usb, it might pop a window with its contents ... drap-n-drop to your home
[21:23] <eggos> hmm... wireless card is running verrry slow
[21:23] <AndChat|716289> Join #bulgaria
[21:23] <soreau> eggos: do you have some instructions you're using to fix the problem?
[21:23] <eggos> its a broadcom BCM43142
[21:23] <eggos> this is my reference http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/
[21:24] <eggos> downloaded latest driver from here https://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/
[21:24] <soreau> eggos: what version of ubuntu?
[21:24] <eggos> oh damn, I forgot what chat I'm in
[21:24] <eggos> haha, using linux mint
[21:25] <soreau> eggos: no worries.. what does 'uname -a
[21:25] <eggos> I logged in cause I was going to try ubuntu to see if my card worked with it
[21:25] <soreau> eggos: uname -a
[21:25] <soreau> from terminal
[21:25] <dibyo> test
[21:25] <soreau> dibyo: failed
[21:25] <dibyo> just installed ubuntu
[21:25] <eggos> any specific piece of info you want soreau? Its on another computer, I can type it out
[21:25] <OerHeks> mint has its own issues.
[21:26] <soreau> eggos: just the kernel version, uname -r I guess
[21:26] <soreau> eggos: either 4.4 or 4.6
[21:26] <eggos> 3.19
[21:26] <soreau> ...
[21:26] <eggos> 3.19.0 -32-generic
[21:26] <pavlos> eggos, mint should be able to install the b43 driver
[21:26] <soreau> eggos: what does lsb_release -a say?
[21:27] <eggos> I think the problem is that it has the drivers, but I need a wired connection, just need to find an ethernet cable
[21:27] <eggos> I'm stubborn to try it without wired
[21:27] <k1l> eggos: please ask the mint guys. 3.19 is no of the supported ubuntu kernels right now
[21:27] <k1l> !mint | eggos
[21:27] <eggos> for sure
[21:27] <OerHeks> your system works pretty fast on internet, so your driver is oke
[21:27] <soreau> eggos: yea that kernel is kinda old, you might want to update/upgrade
[21:28] <soreau> eggos: updating kernels will update drivers so it might automatically fix the problem
[21:28] <eggos> k, so it just might be way easier to find a wired connection huh?
[21:28] <eggos> that is like 'sudo apt-get update', right?
[21:28] <soreau> eggos: just try a 16.04 live cd (or usb) session\ to test
[21:28] <ahotenus> hi someone can help
[21:28] <soreau> ahotenus: hi
[21:28] <eggos> thanks soreau, i appreciate your time and effort
[21:28] <ahotenus> sorry my x chat was stopped working again
[21:28] <k1l> eggos: 3.19 is non of the supported ubuntus. so we dont need to talk about that setup in here
[21:28] <soreau> eggos: no problem, hope you get it sorted!
[21:28] <ahotenus> hi sorea
[21:29] <soreau> ahotenus: hi, what's the problem?
[21:31] <pavlos> eggos, you use mint 17, doing updates should find the driver
[21:34] <tiox> Oh hey dere soreau
[21:34] <soreau> yo
[21:34] <tiox> I don't understand why installing the mint-y theme set looks _so bad_ in Ubuntu derivatives.
[21:36] <jacob_> hello?
[21:36] <k1l> tiox: mint changes a lot of stuff with the way updates get rolled out. so we cant know what mint changes. especially when it comes to kernels and drivers. so better to ask the mint community to suport that
[21:36] <fission6> i have an established screen session, i would like my colleague to be able to use the same session so i can see what he types, how do i do that?
[21:36] <tiox> fission6: Try this application; http://teamviewer.com
[21:36] <jacob_> I love ubuntu, I replaced my windows
[21:36] <jacob_> youtube is faster
[21:36] <jacob_> everything is faster
[21:37] <tiox> Not exactly the _best_ method, but it installs easily enough and your and your friend can use TeamViewer for your express purpose.
[21:37] <akik> fission6: read about screen -x
[21:37] <fission6> tiox: i mean screen the command
[21:37] <fission6> akik: i tried that it didn't seem to work
[21:39] <jacob_> hey, does the system give an error sometimes when to many processes are used?
[21:40] <jacob__> hi
[21:42] <jacob_> hi sydny
[21:42] <jacob_> sydney
[21:44] <pavlos> jacob_, max #processes in linux, unlimited. Take a look at ulimit -a
[21:45] <soreau> jacob_: every os has a limited number of processes, what makes you ask?
[21:47] <winbox> Hello
[21:49] <loko_> nice - i did not know about irssi
[21:54] <bencc> is it possible to change 2 drives to software raid after installing ubuntu?
[21:55] <Leopard01> Hi, does Ubuntu support the new Pascal NVIDIA GPUs? I have a GTX 1060 and wouldn't want it to go to waste if I switch to Linux.
[21:56] <wonderfulmee> comrades
[21:56] <wonderfulmee> is there an alternative to hypermail?
[21:57] <k1l> Leopard01: ubutnu 16.04 got the nvidia 361 in the repos. but you can get 370 from a PPA if needed.
[21:57] <wonderfulmee> we're talking 4GB+ mboxes. need something that hasn't been abandoned altogether
[21:57] <murphy> does adding swap help with memory resource issues?
[21:57] <murphy> i keep maxing out
[21:58] <Leopard01> k1l ok, thank u. is it common for linux users to have powerful GPUs?
[21:59] <k1l> murphy: yes, but since swap is slow (because the hdd is slow compared to ddr.. ram) you better get more ram :)
[21:59] <al__> Hi, someone can please help me in a private with a new ubuntu installation. 14.04 to 16.1 LTS failed
[22:00] <k1l> Leopard01: linux users do have video cards, yes.
[22:00] <dudeface> wonderfulmee Citadel
[22:00] <k1l> al__: just ask here with details and then people will try to help
[22:00] <Leopard01> k1l the reason I ask is because for companies like NVIDIA, Windows users are the priority. So I would assume that Linux users are second-class consumers and therefore don't get as good drivers and overall support.
[22:00] <dudeface> wonderfulmee I think it's in repos
[22:00] <wonderfulmee> dudeface: I'm having a hard time googling it
[22:01] <Leopard01> This would mean that Ubuntu and other distros don't maximize the potential of the hardware
[22:01] <dudeface> wonderfulmee citadel.org
[22:01] <peterr> hello everyone
[22:01] <al__> Ubuntu 14.0.04 to Ubuntu 16.1 LTS failed. Now I will do a fresh install but I want conserv my old $home and user
[22:01] <k1l> Leopard01: linux doesnt have the same marketshare but the video card makers do ship prop. drivers.
[22:01] <wonderfulmee> thanks, but that's not remotely what hypermail is
[22:01] <dudeface> hypermail is a mass mailer, yeah?
[22:02] <al__> If I write same user in fresh installation ubuntu will respect it?
[22:02] <slashrslashn> Hi all, just a quick question - I'm having a bit of trouble with getting a driver to install
[22:02] <wonderfulmee> say, I have a 16GB mbox that I need to convert into an easy set of HTML files, preserving all the attachments
[22:02] <wonderfulmee> say, I have hundreds of those
[22:03] <wonderfulmee> that's what hypermail does
[22:03] <wonderfulmee> I'm not sure it does the mailing part, and frankly that's beyond the scope of what I'm asking
[22:03] <dudeface> Like, mailing lists, yeah?
[22:03] <wonderfulmee> like mailing lists, right
[22:04] <dudeface> Yeah, Citadel will happily do that.
[22:04] <dudeface> Though, if it's more than you want, doesn't matter
[22:04] <wonderfulmee> does it run from console?
[22:04] <wonderfulmee> as in, can I put it into crontab on a headless server?
[22:04] <dudeface> http://www.citadel.org/doku.php/documentation:manpages
[22:05] <wonderfulmee> any sample output?
[22:05] <peterr> How to clone a hard disk on DVD please help i'm new to ubuntu , I was using partition magic for windows ... but I use ubuntu now thank for any help  :-)
[22:05] <slashrslashn> Really struggling to get catalyst installed in feisty, any questions?
[22:05] <slashrslashn> *ideas?
[22:06] <dudeface> not sure atm, need to afk for 5-10, but I can look for you if you like
[22:06] <nacc> slashrslashn: feisty is so far eol, your question seems like trolling
[22:06] <OerHeks> lolz feisty, long time not heared about
[22:06] <OerHeks> ideas ?
[22:07] <slashrslashn> nacc: Still works for me, if it aint broke...
[22:07] <k1l> slashrslashn: is that a joke? ubuntu feisty (7.04) is long time dead. like 8 years
[22:07] <k1l> slashrslashn: it is broken
[22:07] <mcphail> slashrslashn: it _is_ broke, which is why you're here
[22:07] <slashrslashn> kll: How so?
[22:07] <slashrslashn> kll: Apart from my driver issue
[22:07] <peterr> How to clone a hard disk on DVD please help i'm new to ubuntu , I was using partition magic for windows ... but I use ubuntu now thank to anyone for help  :-)
[22:07] <k1l> slashrslashn: feisty got some serious security issues
[22:07] <alxlu> I'm trying to run a bash function i have in my .bashrc using the custom keyboard shortcuts. It works when I type it into a shell, but it doesn't do anything as a shortcut. I have the Command set to gnome-terminal -e "/bin/bash -c mycommand".
[22:07] <OerHeks> slashrslashn, same issue
[22:08] <k1l> slashrslashn: oldest ubuntu supported is 12.04.
[22:08] <wonderfulmee> dudeface: thanks anyway, will have a look at that citadel thing, but frankly seems like overkill
[22:08] <alxlu> Do I need to somehow source bashrc?
[22:08] <slashrslashn> kll: Not really looking to update to a new version just yet, I like to leave things a few years just for stability
[22:09] <slashrslashn> kll: I run a few servers see
[22:09] <slashrslashn> kll: And it's just good for peace of mind, especially for my clients
[22:09] <k1l> slashrslashn: 7.04 got massive issues. dont use that. if you isntall 16.04 now you dont need to upgrade until april 2021
[22:10] <k1l> slashrslashn: clients? howly mowly. you are setting your clients to that security risks?
[22:10] <mcphail> slashrslashn: please read the topic. Feisty is not supported here
[22:10] <peterr> How to clone a hard disk on DVD please help i'm new to ubuntu , I was using partition magic for windows ... but I use ubuntu now thank to anyone for help  :-)
[22:10] <slashrslashn> mcphail: I know it's not officially supported anymore but I was just wondering if there's anybody in the community still running Feisty who might be able to give me a hand
[22:11] <OerHeks> peterr, clonezilla is in our repos
[22:11] <slashrslashn> mcphail: It's what I love about the ubuntu community! :)
[22:11] <bekks> peterr: you cannot clone a disk to dvd unless the disk is smaller than a dvd.
[22:11] <k1l> slashrslashn: no. that doesnt make any sense.
[22:11] <slashrslashn> kll: Sorry what doesn't?
[22:11] <bekks> peterr: you can create a disk image, split it, and place it on a lot of dvd.
[22:12] <peterr> ok thank you i will look for clonezilla :-)
[22:12] <k1l> slashrslashn: your systems are heavily insecure. i bet some 10 year old learn how to invade your systems in their school lessons. you dont get any updates since 2008
[22:12] <slashrslashn> kll: And with the clients they prefer that I run something a bit more stable, especially with the web and ftp servers
[22:13] <slashrslashn> kll: I know there's a few security risks associated with being out of support, but it also means that anything I'm running is fairly well tested and stable
[22:13] <k1l> slashrslashn: we dont support 7.04 anymore. please upgrade. thats it
[22:13] <OerHeks> slashrslashn, please join #ubuntu-offtopic, and let them have fun.
[22:13] <slashrslashn> oerheks: Thanks, I'll ask there
[22:14] <al__> In a new installation, how to be sure to have the same userID to can use old $home (separate partition)?
[22:14] <slashrslashn> kll: Okay thank you for the suggestion. What version would you suggest updating to?
[22:14] <k1l> slashrslashn: clean install of 12.04 at least.
[22:14] <slashrslashn> kll: And would that help with my driver issue?
[22:15] <bazhang> slashrslashn, please stop asking for support here on a long unsupported distro version
[22:15] <slashrslashn> kll: Okay thanks, I'll look into it. My only concern would be stability - I've got apache and a few other servers running on the machine, and I've got my backups stored in a separate partition so I'd just be concerned about losing data
[22:15] <bazhang> try ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic slashrslashn
[22:17] <popey> slashrslashn: no danger of losing data if you have good backups. You have backups, right?
[22:17] <slashrslashn> popey: Yep they're on the other partition
[22:18] <derpherp128> hey, any idea if you can run a ZNC server AND an email server (the whole works) on an amazon t2.micro instance?
[22:18] <derpherp128> rough requirements would work too.
[22:18] <slashrslashn> bazhang: Sure, sorry I didn't mean to get off topic. I'll ask on #ubuntu-offtopic about my driver issue, but I'm just wondering about 12.04 on here now, if that's alright! :)
[22:19] <AndChat409344> Hello
[22:20] <bazhang> boot a live cd of a supported version slashrslashn
[22:20] <popey> AndChat409344: HELLO!
[22:21] <k1l> slashrslashn: i would recommend a new install with new setup, since you cant know if your old insecure system is not already hacked and running bad code.
[22:21] <AndChat409344> Guys every time I'm booting Linux I'm getting initramfs
[22:21] <AndChat409344> It was working just fine until I rebooted it
[22:21] <slashrslashn> bazhang: I will, just need a few answers (about the supported version) on here before I do - a lot of the data I store is sensitive (addresses, bank details, etc) so I'd be concerned about the risk to it upon upgrading
[22:21] <mykob> OA
[22:21] <mykob> OA
[22:21] <mykob> OA
[22:21] <mykob> OA
[22:21] <AndChat409344> Can anyone help? Lol
[22:22] <slashrslashn> kll: Yes I'm definitely looking into that now you've suggested it (thanks btw!)
[22:22] <Ben64> slashrslashn: are you serious? there's WAY WAY more risk running something as ancient as 7.04
[22:22] <multifractal> How do I get 14.04 to send the audio through the HDMI cable to my TV?
[22:22] <slashrslashn> ben64: Yeah that's the issue really
[22:22] <AndChat409344> I'm getting end kernel panic
[22:23] <AndChat409344> Can't boot it
[22:23] <AndChat409344> I can go to grub though
[22:23] <glitchd> multifractal, you have to select the hdmi in the audio devices
[22:23] <glitchd> multifractal, *sound devices
[22:23] <slashrslashn> ben64: But obviously something like 12.04 hasn't gone through as much testing as Feisty, which is my main concern
[22:23] <Ben64> slashrslashn: WRONG
[22:24] <slashrslashn> ben64: How so/
[22:24] <multifractal> glitchd farkin awesome thanks dude!
[22:24] <k1l> slashrslashn: very wrong. 12.04 is already more than 4 years old
[22:24] <slashrslashn> *?
[22:24] <glitchd> multifractal, is that working for you?
[22:24] <slashrslashn> kll: Feisty is 9 years old
[22:24] <AndChat409344> Damn.. Ignored af
[22:24] <k1l> slashrslashn: you really got a wrong concept of safty and stableness
[22:24] <Ben64> 7.04 was cared about for exactly 15 months
[22:24] <Ben64> and thats it
[22:25] <multifractal> glitchd hell yeah it is, thanks man.
[22:25] <glitchd> AndChat409344, did you try to select a different kernel at boot?
[22:25] <slashrslashn> ben64: Again, that's a concern of mine
[22:25] <glitchd> multifractal, np
[22:25] <Ben64> 12.04 has been cared about for the past 53 months
[22:25] <slashrslashn> ben64: I thought about upgrading to Hardy a while back, but I read about all the issues with stability on ubuntu forums and decided against it
[22:25] <k1l> slashrslashn: better go for 14.04 right now. since that is already in use 2,5 years. and still got 2 years left
[22:26] <AndChat409344> Guys come on I need your help lol
[22:26] <slashrslashn> kll: I appreciate the advice but I think 14.04 would be jumping the gun in a big way
[22:26] <Ben64> no it wouldn't
[22:26] <glitchd> AndChat409344, have you tried to boot a different kernel at grub?
[22:26] <Ben64> 14.04 has been supported longer than 7.04 still
[22:26] <Ben64> 29 months vs 15
[22:26] <slashrslashn> kll: My clients pay for stability and I don't want to start making too many untested changes
[22:27] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, you're much likely to run into security issues than those of stability
[22:27] <k1l> slashrslashn: sorry, but that is complete wrong what you say. if your ubuntu version is out of support then you dont get any of this security patches to your system: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[22:27] <Ben64> STABILITY MEANS NOT HAVING GIANT SECURITY HOLES
[22:27] <AndChat409344> I have the live USB should I just reinstall everything?
[22:27] <k1l> slashrslashn: then isntall 16.04 and have 4,5 years support left
[22:27] <AndChat409344> But the problem is that my windows is deleted and I can't access the boot menu unless from windows
[22:27] <AndChat409344> How can I boot a live USB from grub
[22:27] <Ben64> really, if you don't want to change, install 16.04, don't upgrade again until 2021
[22:27] <OerHeks> slashrslashn, your behaviour is a disgrace for your clients.
[22:27] <AndChat409344> ?
[22:28] <slashrslashn> oerheks: That's a little inappropriate...
[22:28] <k1l> slashrslashn: stableness doesnt mean you sell security issues to your customers. because they can sue you for that
[22:28] <Ben64> slashrslashn: you fail to understand the gravity of the situation
[22:28] <glitchd> AndChat409344, you have to select the usb as the boot device in the bios
[22:28] <slashrslashn> kll: I have a very tight contract
[22:29] <slashrslashn> kll: But I would hope that they wouldn't run into any security holes anyway
[22:29] <k1l> slashrslashn: just look at ubuntu.com/usn how often ubuntu needs to ship security updates. you dont get any of that updates anymore since your ubuntu version is EOL
[22:29] <AndChat409344> I know but it just won't boot if I did that
[22:29] <AndChat409344> For some reason
[22:29] <k1l> slashrslashn: all your services are insecure.
[22:29] <slashrslashn> kll: As far as I'm aware I've not run into any security issues yet
[22:30] <Ben64> then you're not aware
[22:30] <slashrslashn> kll: But like you say I think it's time for an upgrade
[22:30] <orlock> that you are aware
[22:30] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, someone will abuse your 9 y/o installation, if not already.
[22:30] <glitchd> AndChat409344, if it wont boot usb when you select that as your first boot device then probably something is wrong with the usb install
[22:30] <orlock> because the l337 h4x0rs put up a banner when they 0wn your site
[22:30] <k1l> slashrslashn: meaning you havent noticed yet. you dont know if your systems are botnet clients or spam mail servers
[22:30] <Ben64> openssl vulnerabilities, openssh, apache, mysql, etc etc
[22:30] <Ben64> all unpatched since 2008
[22:30] <Ben64> it's INSANE
[22:30] <orlock> i mean, honestly, if he's not running anything, its likely fine..
[22:31] <slashrslashn> wonderfulmee Ben64: People still use Windows XP which was released in 2001...
[22:31] <Ben64> and they're stupid for that
[22:31] <AndChat409344> Nothing is wrong with the flash drive it works with other computers
[22:31] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: and those people have giant gaping security holes to consider
[22:31] <AndChat409344> Is there a way to boot the USB from grub?
[22:31] <orlock> slashrslashn: Because they have to, and if they have any brains, it's isolated.. and people dont run servers on it
[22:31] <AndChat409344> Or initramfs
[22:31] <bazhang> slashrslashn, please take any further chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:31] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, that line of defense is going to work out famously
[22:31] <k1l> slashrslashn: ok. if you dont want to listen to people in here who do know about that stuff. then please stop asking in here. we dont support 7.04. thats it.
[22:32] <glitchd> AndChat409344, then how is reinstalling grub going to solve your issue?
[22:32] <wonderfulmee> and I'm pretty sure XP's EOL was last year or something
[22:32] <slashrslashn> bazhang: It's not chit chat, I'm considering my upgrade paths to a supported distro, so I'm pretty sure that's on topic
[22:32] <Ben64> wonderfulmee: yep, still supported longer than 7.04
[22:32] <AndChat409344> I'm thinking of reinstalling everything
[22:32] <slashrslashn> kll: I'm not asking for 7.04 support, I'm asking for 12.04 support
[22:32] <bazhang> slashrslashn, its way past time to move it to the offtopic channel, please do so
[22:32] <glitchd> AndChat409344, never a bad idea
[22:32] <AndChat409344> But I was wondering if there's a way to boot the flash drive from grub
[22:33] <Ben64> slashrslashn: go to 14.04 so you don't have to repeat this in April of next year
[22:33] <k1l> slashrslashn: make a clean reinstal of 12.04 or 14.04 or 16.04. dont take data with you since you dont know that its not malware inside.
[22:33] <slashrslashn> kll: I'm taking your advice and I'm looking to upgrade to 12.04
[22:33] <glitchd> AndChat409344, there is, but it involves editing grub
[22:33] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, at the very least, which services do you have running facing the internet?
[22:33] <OerHeks> Do a fresh install of 12.04, as it brings new grub2 & ext4 standard.
[22:33] <slashrslashn> kll: That shouldn't be a problem, I keep the personally identifiable stuff in a different directory from the public stuff
[22:33] <k1l> slashrslashn: if you install 12.04 now, you only have support until april 2017 left
[22:33] <Ben64> don't do 12.04, it runs out of support in 7 months
[22:34] <glitchd> AndChat409344, http://superuser.com/questions/349633/boot-from-usb-using-grub
[22:34] <OerHeks> Do a fresh install of 14.04 preferred, as it brings new grub2 & ext4 standard too.
[22:34] <AndChat409344> Alright man gonna try that
[22:35] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: his point was that you don't actually know if the non-public stuff has been compromised or not considering you're on such an unsupported version
[22:35] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, but really, you should burn that shit with fire. ever heard about UEFI rootkits?
[22:35]  * popey tickles tgm4883
[22:35] <slashrslashn> wonderfulmee: The main ones facing the internet are apache 1.3, mysql 5, vsftp 2
[22:36] <tgm4883> popey: !
[22:36] <glitchd> AndChat409344, gl
[22:36] <slashrslashn> wonderfulmee: I also have some backend software to process card payments, etc
[22:36] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, oh my.
[22:36] <Ben64> slashrslashn: that's horrible
[22:36] <slashrslashn> wonderfulmee: But I wrote that myself so that's not an issue of being supported or not
[22:36] <Ben64> pretty much guaranteed to be compromised
[22:37] <tgm4883> popey: I asked about your mouse yesterday after listening to the podcast. I've had a similiar issue with my logitech mouse and I saw another user on here with the same issue and a logitech mouse
[22:37] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, "But I wrote that myself" oh my
[22:37] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: oh geez, please oh please I hope none of my credit card info has gone through your system
[22:38] <wonderfulmee> now tell me you're somehow PCI DSS compliant
[22:39] <slashrslashn> wonderfulmee: What is that?
[22:39] <AndChat409344> When I execute the chainloader +1 it's saying hd1 cannot get c/h/s values
[22:39] <wonderfulmee> slashrslashn, nothing to worry about, really.
[22:39] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: OK, you're trolling now right?
[22:39] <k1l> slashrslashn: this is just for apache 1.3. not looking at the services: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-45/product_id-66/version_id-3444/Apache-Http-Server-1.3.html   so please lets move on. you have given enough help and prove now.
[22:40] <slashrslashn> tgm4883: Nope, not trolling
[22:40] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: Then please tell me your credit card payment system isn't actually used anywhere
[22:40] <k1l> *have been
[22:40] <wonderfulmee> shit's sad.
[22:40] <slashrslashn> tgm4883: I haven't had any issues with it so far
[22:40] <glitchd> AndChat409344, try pressing f12 when booting to get to the boot drive selection menu, then select to boot from hd
[22:41] <bazhang> please no cursing here wonderfulmee
 tgm4883: I haven't had any issues with it so far - nah, no way that's for real
[22:41] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: no, you haven't had any issues that you know of
[22:41] <slashrslashn> kll: Okay thank you, I'll look into that
[22:41] <OerHeks> grinn this chat is logged and card companies will love this. poor clients.
[22:41] <AndChat409344> See, that's the thing, I cannot access the boot menu unless I use windows and my windows got deleted
[22:41] <AndChat409344> Same thing for the BIOS
[22:42] <slashrslashn> tgm4883: I think I'd notice if I did, I'm not an idiot...
[22:42] <glitchd> AndChat409344, that doesnt make sense
[22:42] <k1l> guys lets move on. he knows he needs to reinstall a supported release. no need to chat more about it its his decision in the last end. if he is stubborn its his fault.
[22:42] <bekks> AndChat409344: the bios and the boot menu is accessed prior every OS being booted.
[22:42] <glitchd> AndChat409344, the bios boot loader is run way before windoze/linux ever boots
[22:42] <AndChat409344> Well I've tried every key
[22:42] <AndChat409344> Every way
[22:42] <glitchd> bekks, lol sry
[22:42] <slashrslashn> kll: I am looking to upgrade to a supported release! Based on your advice
[22:42] <AndChat409344> I just can't access the menu
[22:42] <wonderfulmee> "windoze", wow. it's like 1995 all over again.
[22:42] <glitchd> AndChat409344, hold f12 as your booting
[22:43] <AndChat409344> Or the bios
[22:43] <tgm4883> slashrslashn: how would you know? The point of the comprimise would be for the attacker to sit there quietly and log all the credit card numbers coming in. They wouldn't be puting up a big sign saying "hey, you've been hacked yo"
[22:43] <AndChat409344> Doesn't work
[22:43] <bekks> AndChat409344: did you take a look at the manual of your computer on how to access the bios?
[22:43] <glitchd> AndChat409344, if that doesnt work try booting while holding delete
[22:43] <slashrslashn> tgm4883: I monitor traffic across my network
[22:43] <orlock> Honestly, if he was 0wned
[22:43] <AndChat409344> It doesn't work too but I'm going to look up the manual on the internet
[22:43] <orlock> the payment vendors would have let him know
[22:43] <oldnemo> Hommies
[22:43] <bazhang> !ot | slashrslashn
[22:44] <glitchd> AndChat409344, have you even attempted to read what comes up on the bios screen? maybe youve had a hard drive failure..
[22:44] <slashrslashn> tgm4883: And I studied network security when I was taking my masters degree
[22:44] <k1l> slashrslashn: ok, then move to #ubuntu-offtopic to talk about it. the support case is closed
[22:44] <orlock> they have sphisticated algo's for correlating card fraud
[22:44] <bekks> AndChat409344: common bios access keys are f2, f4, f6, f8, f9, f10, del, et al
[22:44] <orlock> slashrslashn: Well you should know better then
[22:44] <bekks> AndChat409344: and f12 as well.
[22:44] <slashrslashn> bazhang kll: I'm not off topic, I'm asking for advice on upgrading to 12.04, which is supported
[22:45] <Ben64> slashrslashn: again, upgrade to 14.04 or 16.04, so you don't have to deal with this again in 7 months
[22:45] <bazhang> lets get back to support please
[22:45] <k1l> slashrslashn: i muted you now, since your supportcase is closed.
[22:45] <glitchd> bekks, gj
[22:46] <glitchd> bekks, ::thumbs up::
[22:46] <glitchd> k1l, hilarious.
[22:47] <glitchd> k1l, not being sarcastic, thank you.
[22:47] <AndChat409344> Couldn't find the manual
[22:47] <AndChat409344> I literally tried everything lol
[22:47] <glitchd> AndChat409344, doubtful.
[22:48] <AndChat409344> I tried all keys
[22:48] <AndChat409344> Also with fn +Fx
[22:48] <bekks> AndChat409344: So which computer, which make and model do you have?
[22:48] <glitchd> AndChat409344, what kind of computer do you have?
[22:48] <oxide> Hello everyone! I have a problem that is probably unfixable but still i want someone detect the problem.. Can anyone help me?
[22:48] <wonderfulmee> oxide: no, it's unfixable.
[22:48] <glitchd> oxide, jus ask
[22:49] <AndChat409344> Samsung 270e
[22:49] <oxide> Ok.. listen
[22:50] <bekks> AndChat409344: which one of the 270e family?
[22:50] <oxide> i have a netbook,the acer aspire one 522. The netbook in random times is loosing it sound and sometimes after i click many times the sound icon in panel,the sound coming back just for few minutes or seconds
[22:50] <glitchd> andchat
[22:50] <glitchd> check your pm
[22:50] <AndChat409344> Np270e5g-k02sa
[22:50] <wonderfulmee> tolda ya, unfixable.
[22:50] <RLShiftyDoggit> how goes it all
[22:51] <oxide> the same problem appears in both of my os :ubuntu mate(and every linux i tried) and windows
[22:51] <bekks> AndChat409344: Bios key is F2 according to the manual.
[22:52] <oxide> :P at least can you tell me what is the problem?
[22:53] <AndChat409344> Didn't work lol
[22:53] <glitchd> AndChat409344, have you replaced your hdd?
[22:53] <AndChat409344> Maybe because it has windows preinstalled
[22:53] <bekks> AndChat409344: turn it off, turn it on, and start pressing f2 again and again until you see a login screen.
[22:53] <AndChat409344> Had*
[22:53] <oxide> is the sound card?is the motherboard?and how it is possible to be hardware problem and when i click the volume icon the sound returning?
[22:53] <AndChat409344> And no I didn't replace it
[22:54] <oxide> glitched or wonderfulmee?
[22:54] <glitchd> oxide, ?
[22:54] <wonderfulmee> oxide: random issues like that are unlikely to be solved remotely, especially so that you provided literally no information as to your hardware. I suggest you keep on clicking, really. you're not going to find an answer.
[22:56] <oxide> ok mate,thank you for your time and answer. :)
[22:57] <AndChat409344> Man I rebooted it like 20 times just now
[22:57] <oxide> have a goodnight everybody!
[22:57] <bekks> AndChat409344: And? Did you follow what I just told you?
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[22:57] <AndChat409344> Are there any initramfs commands?
[22:57] <AndChat409344> And nothing worked man lol
[22:58] <bekks> AndChat409344: That is not an answer to my question.
[22:58] <AndChat409344> Yes I did man but nothing worked
[22:58] <wonderfulmee> that's a loosing game right there.
[22:58] <AndChat409344> Fsck exited with status code 8
[22:58] <AndChat409344> No init found
[22:59] <bekks> AndChat409344: So you shutdown your computer, pressed the power button and you started to press f2 again and again, two or three times a second UNTIL you saw a login screen?
[22:59] <AndChat409344> Nope no login screen
[22:59] <AndChat409344> And secure boot is off btw
[22:59] <gkl> Hi all
[23:00] <bekks> AndChat409344: Did you power off, powered back on and started to press f2 again and again?
[23:00] <AndChat409344> Yeah lol
[23:00] <bekks> AndChat409344: I dont see the funny point in having to ask the same question three times until getting an answer.
[23:01] <bekks> AndChat409344: how can you tell that secure boot is off, since you cant access the bios?
[23:02] <gerd> hello ?
[23:02] <gerd> can anybody hear me ? :-)
[23:03] <dudeface> yes gerd
[23:03] <gerd> thank you ... i'm new to this whole irc thing
[23:03] <michaele> Bonjour
[23:03] <matv1> bgerd jusk ask whatever it is you want to know
[23:03] <dudeface> It's just a chat room, basically
[23:04] <gerd> is there a command to display all channels of the current server ?
[23:04] <AndChat409344> Because I turned it off when I had windows
[23:04] <dudeface> gerd what client are you using?
[23:04] <bekks> AndChat409344: in the bios?
[23:04] <gerd> weechat 0.4.2
[23:04] <AndChat409344> Yeah
[23:04] <bekks> AndChat409344: So how did you access the bios back then?
[23:04] <dudeface> gerd /list
[23:04] <bazhang> !alis | gerd
[23:05] <bazhang> use alis not /list dudeface gerd
[23:05] <dudeface> erp
[23:05] <johnc4510> what bazhang said ^
[23:05] <thecodethinker> Hey so I'm having issues writing to an SD card. ddrecue keeps hanging at around 54% and trying to run sync also just hangs until i manually eject the sdcard. Does anyone have any idea why this is going on?
[23:05] <gerd> wow ... is everybody on here that nice ?
[23:05] <johnc4510> no
[23:06] <johnc4510> to be blunt
[23:06] <johnc4510> but mostly
[23:06] <johnc4510> :)
[23:06] <AndChat409344> I accessed it through shift+restart on windows
[23:06] <bekks> AndChat409344: ...
[23:06] <AndChat409344> Then to trouble shooting
[23:06] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, try multiple SD cards, report back
[23:06] <AndChat409344> Then to bios
[23:06] <RLShiftyDoggit> hey has anyone ever played with the porting process of ubuntu-touch im a lil stuck not gonna go on about it here just a lil help would be nice
[23:06] <bazhang> gerd here is ubuntu support, for chit chat we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:06] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: I tried on 2, same thing
[23:06] <bekks> AndChat409344: shift accesses the boot menu, and you cannot access bios from there.
[23:07] <bekks> AndChat409344: so how did you access bios?
[23:07] <AndChat409344> No I accessed the bios that way
[23:07] <AndChat409344> Back when I had windows
[23:07] <bekks> AndChat409344: you did not, since thats not possible.
[23:07] <gerd> again ... thank you. i will
[23:07] <bazhang> !touch | RLShiftyDoggit
[23:07] <AndChat409344> I swear I did lol
[23:08] <bazhang> take this there please RLShiftyDoggit
[23:08] <bekks> AndChat409344: technically, thats not possible, despite your swears.
[23:08] <AndChat409344> I accessed the bios and turned off secure boot and changed the order of the boot list
[23:08] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, dmesg |grep SD
[23:09] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, lsusb |grep SD
[23:09] <bekks> AndChat409344: you didnt access the bios the way you told us.
[23:09] <gerd> !alis | gerd
[23:09] <AndChat409344> No I did
[23:09] <bekks> AndChat409344: thats not possible, technically.
[23:09] <AndChat409344> There's no bios key
[23:09] <RLShiftyDoggit> i find it funny that everyone says go to the wiki or the channel like anyone is ever in there and the wiki only covers basics lol im in the touch channel no ones there and wiki isnt answering the question
[23:09] <AndChat409344> Only through windows
[23:09] <bekks> AndChat409344: there is.
[23:09] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: give me 1 sec. I have to reboot for linux to find my sdcard again -_-
[23:10] <bekks> AndChat409344: windows has no access to the bios.
[23:10] <AndChat409344> Well my laptop doesn't have that
[23:10] <AndChat409344> Wait I'll send a link
[23:10] <bekks> AndChat409344: https://www.manualowl.com/m/Samsung/NP270E5E/Manual/359105 page 82.
[23:11] <AndChat409344> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGiG1oljjZI
[23:11] <bekks> AndChat409344: I'm not going to watch any youtube stuff.
[23:11] <en1gma> when i installed ubuntu 16.04 desktop i had my ssd connected to my mb sata port. i then removed that drive and plugged it into my usb to sata adapter and i have it as an external removable drive.
[23:12] <en1gma> i just did an ubuntu update and im pretty sure i need to run grub2 again to make sure it is put on the correct drive. my external usb to sata drive
[23:12] <en1gma> can someone help with this? i havent rebooted since i updated
[23:12] <weblwabl> Is it possible to update the BIOS on a macbook 4,1 with ubuntu installed on it?
[23:13] <weblwabl> Without having to install osx and then update it that way
[23:13] <bekks> weblwabl: a macbook doesnt have a bios at all.
[23:13] <weblwabl> or SMC firmware or whatever they call it
[23:13] <murphy> efi
[23:14] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: what were those commands again?
[23:14] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, lsusb |grep -i sd
[23:14] <en1gma> here is my 'fdisk -l' http://pastebin.ca/3720782
[23:14] <en1gma> grub needs to be on sda
[23:14] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: nothing
[23:14] <thecodethinker> it's an internal sdcard reader
[23:15] <AndChat409344> How can I boot a live USB from grub
[23:15] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, lsusb, then look for anything like a card reader, paste that back
[23:15] <bekks> AndChat409344: that oesnt solve your problem.
[23:15] <AndChat409344> Man it was working fine until I restarted it
[23:15] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: nothing looks like an sdcard reader
[23:15] <AndChat409344> :'(
[23:16] <thecodethinker> :(
[23:16] <weblwabl> Okay, macbooks use EFI instead of BIOS, but is there a way to update it on ubuntu? Apples website has a .dmg for updating
[23:16] <thecodethinker> it's mostly manufacturer names
[23:16] <en1gma> i think when i just updated it screwed me on my sdb drive
[23:16] <en1gma> FAWK
[23:16] <bekks> weblwabl: No.
[23:16] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, /sbin/lsmod |grep sd
[23:16] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, dmesg |grep -i sd
[23:17] <thecodethinker> there's sd_mod, sdhci_pci, sdhci_acpi, and sdhci
[23:17] <en1gma> that 120GB is 1 of 3 in a fost raid. pretty sure its not supposed to be a gpt.... is there a way to check to see if ubuntu update installed grub to that drive besides the original grub2 sda install?
[23:18] <wonderfulmee> okay, those are the kernel modules. what does the dmesg suggest?
[23:18] <en1gma> i havent rebooted yet so i think this can be fixed right?
[23:18] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: what're you looking for? dmesg logged a bunch of stuff
[23:18] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, dmesg |grep -i sd
[23:19] <wonderfulmee> look for anything that sounds like a card reader
[23:19] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: there's this mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address aaaa
[23:20] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, dmesg |grep -C 3 -i mmc0
[23:21] <en1gma> how can i find out if grub updated/installed to wrong drive and not the original drive it was installed when i installed ubuntu when the drive was connected to sata port instead of now being used with a usb to sata adapter?
[23:21] <thecodethinker> wonderfulmee: yeah it shows the logs for the reader there
[23:22] <Bashing-om> en1gma: ' sudo debconf-show grub-pc ; sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ; sudo lshw -C Disk -short ' see if these give you re-assurace .
[23:22] <en1gma> k. 1 sec
[23:22] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, does it show the hardware though?
[23:23] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, as in the SD reader brand
[23:23] <wonderfulmee> the chipset, anything verbose like that
[23:23] <en1gma> Bashing-om http://pastebin.ca/3720784  thats what it shows now
[23:24] <en1gma> "grub-pc/install_devices_failed_upgrade: true"
[23:25] <wonderfulmee> thecodethinker, if not, do whatever it is that you did that failed at 56% and run dmesg |tail -10
[23:26] <wonderfulmee> once it hits the 56% or whenever the trouble starts
[23:28] <wonderfulmee> google that along with the name of your notebook/card reader. you're likely to stumble upon something helpful.
[23:32] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Yuk, we got to think anout this, I had expected " * grub-pc/install_devices: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD5000ABYS-01TNA0_WD-WCAPW4886797 " such as my output for where gryb is installed to .
[23:32] <Bashing-om> about*
[23:33] <en1gma> i always get this problem. it is such a pita. linux wont install to usb drive. so i put it in my computer on a native sata port. then after everything is working i have to disable updates because i remove the drive and put it on my usb to sata adapter
[23:34] <en1gma> if an update slips through it messes me up real bad. either by installing grub over my soft-raid windows drives or by not installing correctly and then i cant boot.
[23:34] <en1gma> this is first time i caught it without rebooting and finding i cant boot
[23:37] <loon00533> is there a way to regenerate the interfaces file since i added a new network card?
[23:38] <Zorkel> Hi, can I get some help by chance? I'm trying to install ubuntu with dualboot to windows 8.1 but run into a weird problem I'm not sure on how to solve. My drive is a 250GB SSD partitioned as basic MBR and ubuntu won't install using 16.04 x64 desktop tried several versions to make my pendrive bootable. The error is around the lines "live cd content not found" I guess it has something to do with MBR partition and uefi.. Any ideas how t
[23:39] <glitchd> loon00533, is the device listed in lspci?
[23:39] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, confusing description.  1.  did you actually create the pendrive?  2.   is so, how, exactly?
[23:40] <en1gma> Zorkel in your bios/ufi i think you have to turn secure os off
[23:40] <Bashing-om> en1gma: I am not the best to advide in a raid situation . Best I do recall most levels of raid want grub installed outsite the raid array on all related drives . But my memory is hazy . I do look at " grub-pc/install_devices_failed: false " that grub is not properly installed .
[23:40] <Zorkel> Yes I did using rufus and unetbotin and I did try to disable secure bootmode to other os but didn't help at all
[23:40] <OerHeks> loon00533, rm -f /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules # and reboot, http://serverfault.com/questions/353839/ubuntu-network-driver-reset-to-eth0
[23:40] <loon00533> glitchd: whats the command to see if it is listed
[23:40] <en1gma> Bashing-om ok so hopefully it didnt install to the raid
[23:40] <glitchd> loon00533, lspci
[23:40] <AndChat409344> Man nothing is working lol
[23:41] <AndChat409344> Sucks
[23:41] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, does it always break at the same place i.e. same error message each time?
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !raid | en
[23:41] <en1gma> still would like to salvage this linux install as i been using it for quite sometime and dont want to start over really
[23:41] <Zorkel> yes it does
[23:41] <Bashing-om> en1gma: ^^
[23:41] <Zorkel> tried live cd and install ubuntu no luck at all
[23:41] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, what year is your computer?  anything after 2012 and you could be looking at uefi issues.
[23:41] <loon00533> glitchd: yes it is there
[23:42] <glitchd> loon00533, is it a wifi card or a lan card?
[23:42] <Zorkel> it's a rather new one I know I have had issues with linux before and uefi and I believe you are correct cfhowlett
[23:43] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, well assuming the issues is indeed uefi, if it's a new computer, should be relatively easy to suss out.  see the wiki for guidance.
[23:43] <cfhowlett> !uefi
[23:43] <en1gma> uefi you have to disable the secure os but keep part of it
[23:43] <loon00533> glitchd: its a lan card
[23:43] <en1gma> i forget the name of the settings. there are 2
[23:43] <glitchd> loon00533, what model?
[23:44] <Zorkel> hmm not sure my bios likes disabling part of the uefi thing and windows doesn't quite give me uefi bios settings it's missing as it seems to be running on a mbr and not gpt disk.
[23:44] <loon00533> glitchd: Intel PRO (sorry forgot to mention i was on virtualbox so its like a generic virtual card)
[23:44] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, i.e. a "hybrid" gpt.  it happens
[23:44] <Zorkel> motherboard is an asus maximus ranger 8
[23:44] <glitchd> loon00533, lol
[23:45] <glitchd> loon00533, is the network card a new physical card or a virtualcard?
[23:45] <en1gma> i have the asus z97-itx and before that i has the asus maximus vii rog
[23:45] <riverswood> I have a problem with nautilus it takes for ever to open new tabs
[23:45] <riverswood> what should I do?
[23:45] <riverswood> I am running gnome shell
[23:45] <riverswood> ubuntu 16.04
[23:45] <loon00533> glitchd: well i have two cards and they are both virtual cards on my vm
[23:46] <en1gma> Zorkel i would reboot and take a pic and post it but if i do that i will lose my linux so if i can fix that than i can take a pic and show you how i have mine setup
[23:46] <glitchd> loon00533, what are you attempting to do?
[23:46] <en1gma> oh. you have to emulate the drive under usb ports
[23:46] <en1gma> make it into an hdd where your usb drive is
[23:46] <loon00533> glitchd: https://askubuntu.com/questions/293816/in-virtualbox-how-do-i-set-up-host-only-virtual-machines-that-can-access-the-in
[23:46] <loon00533> glitchd: this
[23:47] <en1gma> it will show your usb flash drive. then you select a drop down menu to emulate cdrom, floppy, hdd etc...
[23:47] <Zorkel> Hmm so if I trick my computer to see the drive as a hdd I can install ubuntu as it should and allow dualboot?
[23:47] <loon00533> glitchd: trying to have access to my host + internet but not mess with my home network
[23:47] <cfhowlett> !who
[23:48] <glitchd> loon00533, why not just use NAT?
[23:48] <en1gma> Zorkel for me i i have a sata ssd that i actually installed when it was connected to a real sata port. i then removed the drive and use a usb adapter and then set that setting in bios
[23:49] <glitchd> loon00533, then setup shared folders?
[23:49] <en1gma> i would give it a shot for your situation
[23:49] <loon00533> glitchd: i installed apache2 and i couldnt reach the page on the host
[23:49] <en1gma> if i rem right. you might be able to fiddle with secure os. if you disable that i think it will let you install to usb device.
[23:50] <Zorkel> reading on the uefi page it seems I found part of the problem the first screen gives me this screen
[23:50] <Zorkel> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445084.png
[23:50] <Zorkel> but when it moves on to install I see this screen
[23:50] <Zorkel> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1347445119.png
[23:50] <glitchd> loon00533, did you set a static ip for the vm?
[23:50] <k1l> Zorkel: on the second one press a key. like space
[23:50] <Zorkel> so it seems it starts in uefi and then tries to switch to legacy?
[23:50] <cfhowlett> Zorkel, too damn small to see!
[23:51] <en1gma> ^^^
[23:51] <Zorkel> paragraph 5 on the uefi link you gave me
[23:51] <glitchd> loon00533, i think this should help you
[23:51] <glitchd> loon00533, https://askubuntu.com/questions/293816/in-virtualbox-how-do-i-set-up-host-only-virtual-machines-that-can-access-the-in
[23:51] <en1gma> you have to fool with secure boot and that usb emulation setting
[23:51] <en1gma> then you might* have a chance to install to usb flash drive
[23:52] <loon00533> glitchd: saw that page and it didnt work :/
[23:52] <en1gma> Bashing-om you still here?
[23:52] <glitchd> loon00533, what have you done so far?
[23:53] <Zorkel> I see so as it is not quite possible to actually dualboot ubuntu/windows on this machine?
[23:53] <loon00533> glitchd: well i came back to the original setup so only one adapter which is NAT and the original interfaces file
[23:53] <en1gma> you might be able to. pretty easy to check. boot into bios and change those settings
[23:53] <Zorkel> But will see if I can manage to fool it :)
[23:53] <glitchd> loon00533, and the server still cant reach the outside internet?
[23:53] <en1gma> you can turn secure os back on after you install is complete
[23:53] <Zorkel> Thanks for letting me know where to look
[23:54] <en1gma> i would have better pics for you but i cant reboot yet as i will lose my booting to linux. messed up grub install
[23:55] <loon00533> glitchd: thats not the problem! my problem is i cant reach the apache server from the host browser (when i type the guest server ip adress in the host browser)
[23:56] <cfhowlett> zorkel: suggestion: take your time, document what you are changing and be prepared to make many attempts.  IOW >>> Keep Clam & Ubuntu On
[23:57] <glitchd> loon00533, i believe you need to use a bridged network in the settings of the virutal machine
[23:58] <glitchd> loon00533, what os is the host and what os is the guest?
[23:58] <loon00533> glitchd: host is win 8.1 and guest is ubuntu server 14.04
[23:59] <loon00533> glitchd: and no! i'll retry the advice on the page you sent me earlier
[23:59] <glitchd> loon00533, maybe this will help?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/52147/how-can-i-access-apache-on-virtualbox-guest-from-host


[17:51] <MadnessRed> hi all
[17:52] <Omega> Hey MadnessRed
[17:53] <MadnessRed> Started on the regional dialects thing, in the language-test branch
[17:54] <MadnessRed> so no you only need to write a tour in the base language, english enlgish, german german ect
[17:54] <MadnessRed> then a script translates any regional parts
[17:54] <MadnessRed> you can also stop a change by prepending an @ symbol
[17:55] <MadnessRed> I think a different one is needed though
[17:56] <Omega> very nice :)
[17:58] <MadnessRed> I think that for english, tours should be written in english english since it is more complex than us english, and has a smaller risk of messing up the html
[17:59] <MadnessRed> for example, although <font color="red" would not be changed, <font color ="red" would be, I can go through adding catched but I think generally having colour in text and color in code would be a lot easier
[18:00] <MadnessRed> secondly, the american program could be program or programme in english since sometimes english uses the american, sometimes it doesn't
[18:01] <MadnessRed> whereas I don't think the americans every use our spellings occaisionally
[18:01] <MadnessRed> dunno what you think though, from a programming and simplicity point of view, en_GB as the base for english makes sence, I dunno what writers will think
[23:26] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWelcomeCentre
[23:27] <UndiFineD> this is actual work from 2006 :P