[00:00] <losha> al_: using checksums is very slow & expensive. Most people just use file size and modification date (which is the default). Check the man page for the gory details. Also, check out various schemes for backup...
[00:00] <mezimezim> hi!
[00:00] <henrique> Hello
[00:00] <mka> !happy
[00:00] <mka> hi henrique
[00:00] <mka> hi mezimezim
[00:00] <al_> losha: right. The GUI of the NAS might be using checksums because its horribly slow. Thats why I want to cron my own rsync
[00:01] <henrique> Hi mka
[00:01] <Scunizi> wow.. bittorrent downloads of ubuntu iso's are *fast*!  Looks like 7 minutes for an entire iso
[00:01] <mezimezim> someone knows about GPS (Garmin 60Cx) : can detect it with Viking   ?
[00:01] <henrique> I'm using ubuntu netb ook remix and I took something off my menu bar. The shutdown button with my name and all and I cant get it back...Does anyoen know how to add that back
[00:02] <henrique> Add to pannel does not show the option
[00:02] <Scunizi> henrique: you're stuck.. you're going to have to leave it on forever! :) (April 1 is just around the corner)
[00:03] <wastrel> that's the user switcher applet iirc
[00:03] <wastrel> henrique: ^^^
[00:03] <henrique> ;) I'm not such a new PC user but nice try
[00:03] <nycz> i have 4 gb ram and 1 gb vram, will the os use it all if i install a 32bit version?
[00:03] <Scunizi> henrique: can you right mouse click the area and "Add" ??
[00:03] <henrique> thankyou wastrel let me try that
[00:03] <henrique> yes I can Scunizi
[00:04] <epinky> nycz: yep, just make sure you use kernel-pae
[00:04] <philabole> can any one help me figure out my ubuntu 9.04 install
[00:04] <nycz> epinky: kernel-pae? :s
[00:04] <Scunizi> philabole: you gotta be more specific..
[00:05] <riverbird> Dr_Willis,  still here?  i seem to be stuck in a loop getting packages ..
[00:05] <philabole> can anyone help me with ubuntu 9.04, i got some probs
[00:05] <blackest_knight> hmm i just noticed happy new year
[00:05] <mister_roboto> al_: i'm actually curious to know if you can get that scheme to work using only the mod time / size checks. i expect copying the files over manually will mess up the mod time check
[00:05] <philabole> hello
[00:05] <Scunizi> philabole: can you be more specific?
[00:06] <blackest_knight> yes but it helps to know what the probs are
[00:06] <henrique> ok my name is back up there but not the little button with the different options for shutdown, restart, logout and hybernate, etc
[00:06] <philabole> sorry first i cn't connect to the net
[00:06] <Scunizi> henrique: click your name and see if there's a drop down menu
[00:06] <philabole> second i can't add new programs
[00:06] <al_> mister_roboto: youd know better than me! I am no CLI expert. Not even a newbie!!
[00:06] <henrique> no Scunizi single user
[00:07] <epinky> nycz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension , it should be called 2.6.31-16-generic-pae  or something like that
[00:07] <drunkncrew> philabole: are you connecting to the net via wifi or ethernet?
[00:07] <Scunizi> henrique: then when you right mouse click and choose "add".. look for a different appelate .. maybe something called user switcher?
[00:08] <bazhang> nycz, just install linux-generic-pae ; the rest will be pulled in
[00:08] <philabole> drunkncrew: dsl
[00:08] <blackest_knight> phiabole 2nd is dependent on fist
[00:08] <nycz> epinky, bazhang: thanks, will do :)
[00:08] <henrique> Scunizi: thats the one I used to show my name but thats all it shows. not the different buttons.
[00:08] <Scunizi> pppoe? for dsl
[00:08] <blackest_knight> first even
[00:09] <Scunizi> henrique: keep looking a different one has to be there someplace
[00:09] <henrique> Scunizi: Must be something custom for netbook remix.
[00:09] <henrique> maybe a command line
[00:09] <blackest_knight> philabole:  how are you connected to your dsl connection wired or wireless
[00:09] <Scunizi> henrique: maybe one called "shutdown"?
[00:09] <philabole> blackest_Knight: wired
[00:10] <henrique> that only puts the shutdown button. I guess it can work for now but I'll try to figure the other one later
[00:10] <Scunizi> henrique: I just reformatted my usb key that was setup to boot to unr otherwise I'd boot on my laptop and look as well.
[00:10] <micz> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[00:10] <henrique> Scunizi: thank you for your help I'll do some external search on google or ask in the forums
[00:10] <blackest_knight> philabole:  do you know what chipset your ethernet card has
[00:11] <Pelo> anyone know how to "regenerate" the locate command, it still shows me entries from before I deleted them
[00:11] <Scunizi> henrique: good luck.. it's out there that's for sure.
[00:11]  * iolo bebendo Buxudinha . . .
[00:11] <Scunizi> Pelo: sudo updatedb
[00:11] <iceroot> Pelo: sudo updatedb
[00:11] <Pelo> thank you
[00:11] <philabole> blackest_knight: not really i just built this thing and....
[00:11] <Scunizi> Pelo: 'bout time I was able to help you out!  usually it's the other way around
[00:11] <henrique> Scunizi: thats for sure. I can't be the first jack ass to remove that for no reason whatsoever
[00:11] <david_> can i convert a .tar.bz2 into a .deb?
[00:12] <philabole> blackest_knight: argh.....
[00:12] <Scunizi> henrique: we learn better that way ;)
[00:12] <henrique> true
[00:12] <Pelo> Scunizi, I havenT' been around much in the past couple of years,  nice to know I made an impression ;-)
[00:12] <henrique> good night all
[00:12] <henrique> happy new year
[00:12] <iceroot> david_: not that easy as you think but yes of course you can
[00:12] <david_> ok, can you explain how ;)
[00:12] <blackest_knight> philabole:  generally wired connections tend to just work
[00:13] <wastrel> pppoe
[00:13] <nycz> hm, i'm unsure about swap space... as i said earlier i've got 4gb ram and 1gb vram, should i have a swap partition and if so, how big?
[00:13] <mezimezim> I have installed gpsbabel & viking, but I  am not able to get any info out/in of my GPS, any expertise in the area?
[00:13] <philabole> blackest_knight: yeah i've been using ubuntu for over a year and it always has just worked
[00:13] <Pelo> Scunizi, you'll probably be able to help me more in the near future, i'm dabbling in CLI , first time I 've done that much of it , installed a media center on an old comp,  too old for a gui
[00:13] <iceroot> david_: just read something about what a deb is and how it works, then you have to manyally build the deb from the tar.bz2
[00:13] <type_t> why do you need it as a .deb ??
[00:13] <iceroot> david_: there is no converter
[00:14] <david_> oh, ol
[00:14] <david_> ok*
[00:14] <Scunizi> Pelo: I will when I can for sure
[00:14] <david_> thanks!
[00:14] <philabole> blackest_knight: with a new motherboard, do i need some drivers or something
[00:14] <Pelo> Scunizi, iceroot thanks a lot that seems to have done it , now to see if the app works properly
[00:14] <type_t> the fact that is .deb means it is installed by dpkg and runns a installer made for that package.
[00:14] <iceroot> david_: read the manpage about dh_make
[00:15]  * Scunizi is making a live usb of kubuntu 9.10
[00:15] <blackest_knight> philabole:  you need to find what chip it is and google it
[00:15] <david_> ok
[00:15] <type_t> you can force install and as long as you dont runn into conflicts . its ok.
[00:15] <Scunizi> Pelo: crunchbang might have been perfect for that old machine
[00:15] <mezimezim> here is what I get when I do a dmesg right after plugging http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7e99838e
[00:15] <philabole> darkest_knight: ok
[00:15] <nycz> with 4gb of ram, should i have a swap partition?
[00:16] <bastid_raZor> nycz: if you plan on hibernating or suspending
[00:16] <blackest_knight> philabole:  did it work on the live cd ?
[00:16] <Dr_Willis> nycz:  I always do at least 512mb of swap partition. just in 'case' :)
[00:16] <nycz> bastid_raZor: not really, i have it on when i'm awake and off when i'm sleeping or away
[00:17] <Scunizi> mezimezim: it's mounted at uhci_hcd
[00:17] <david_> iceroot: I don't seem to have "dh_make" when I try to read the manual it tells me to install it w/ apt-get but then it tells me that the package doesn't exist
[00:17] <philabole> darkest_knight: you know i didn't check, i just installed it
[00:17] <nycz> Dr_Willis: okay
[00:17] <bastid_raZor> nycz: swap is not required but highly recommended.. i agree with Dr_Willis .. just in case
[00:17] <Dr_Willis> nycz:  if nothing else.. ive seen live cd's use swap :) which can come in handy
[00:17] <micz> later all happy new year
[00:17] <philabole> blackest_knight: sorry bout the name thing
[00:17] <mezimezim> Scunizi: ok, where do I find the data?
[00:18] <blackest_knight> philabole:  it might be worth googling the motherboard and linux and see what comes up, pain but sometimes you get issues
[00:18] <micz> bbl
[00:18] <nycz> bastid_raZor, Dr_Willis: ah, atm i have 4gb... maybe a bit too much then
[00:18] <philabole> blackest_knight: thanks i'll do that
[00:18] <ams> #list
[00:18] <Dr_Willis> nycz:  if you want to use hibernate/suspend - you want 4gb of swap then I think
[00:18] <Dr_Willis> nycz:  i never use Hibernate/suspend :)
[00:18] <bastid_raZor> nycz: if you have it already made then leave it be..
[00:19] <nycz> Dr_Willis: me neither
[00:19] <nycz> bastid_raZor: i'm just about to reinstall :)
[00:19] <bastid_raZor> !hardware | philabole you can look here for your hardware compatibility
[00:19] <type_t> dh_make is debian utils
[00:19] <blackest_knight> philabole:  if you get really stuck you can pick up network cards very cheaply or even go for wifi but its unusual to have one that doesnt work at all
[00:19] <blackest_knight> what does ifconfig say ?
[00:19] <bastid_raZor> nycz: your choice then.j good luck
[00:19] <Scunizi> mezimezim: I'm not sure what the usb device is.. is it a gps device? and if so is there an app that is suppose to marry to it?
[00:20] <nycz> thanks :)
[00:20]  * Pelo mutters about doing nasty things to python programmers who can't follow standards
[00:20] <philabole> blackest_knight: thank you sir
[00:20] <blackest_knight> sorry iwconfig
[00:20]  * Dr_Willis thought python was written so you had to follow standards...
[00:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[00:20] <mezimezim> yes, it's a Garmin GPS, I have installed GPSBABEL and Viking, 2 programs supposed to communicate with Garmin GPS, but I can't get the data out of it...
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> or was it just you had to follow formating standards
[00:21] <blackest_knight> no worries its a good year nearly died twice in 2009 :)
[00:21] <Pelo> Dr_Willis, maybe the guy followed python standards but when you write a freaking weather applet it would be nice to follow the naming conventions that everyone else is following for naming your icons
[00:21] <Scunizi> mezimezim: ok.. in gpsbabel or viking if there is a setup or properties you have to tell it the mount point of the gps device so the program(s) will know where to look for the data.
[00:22] <mezimezim> scunizi: so, it the device is mounted, does it mean I should be able to see the data in it from nautilus and/or the terminal?
[00:22] <giuseppe_> hallo wie gehe in ubuntu.de
[00:23] <iceroot> david_: debhelper is the package
[00:23] <iceroot> david_: dh stands for debhelper
[00:24] <Scunizi> mezimezim: if the usb device *is* the gps then probably not unless the gps will also act as a mass storage device which is doutfull..but if you're looking for the device to send data to the programs it's typically in a stream of some sort.. the program will have to know where to look and then interpret the stream.. you might also look at the openstreet(s) app.... if there is one.
[00:25] <iceroot> david_: and for building the package its ok to use  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot instead of pbuilder with chroot
[00:25] <Scunizi> guiscard: type /j #ubuntu-de
[00:26] <Scunizi> giuseppe_: type /j #ubuntu-de
[00:26] <Scunizi> sorry guiscard .. wrong nick
[00:27] <tmcc> happy new year ladies
[00:27] <gl1tch3r> hi there
[00:27] <baz> whats the best way to amass power using ubuntu?
[00:27] <mezimezim> scunizi: the viking program asks me whether the GPS is /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 or /dev/USB0 or /devUSB1
[00:27] <david_> iceroot: ty :)
[00:27] <iceroot> david_: np
[00:27] <gl1tch3r> hey ppl  anyone has used mondo rescue or something similar?
[00:27] <mezimezim> there, I don't know what to put in, I've tried them all without success
[00:28] <mister_roboto> mezimezim: i use garmintools to read my gps watch (forerunner 305)
[00:28] <mister_roboto> mezimezim: it works very well on this watch
[00:29] <mezimezim> mister_roboto: it seems to be made especially for your device :  http://code.google.com/p/garmintools/
[00:29] <tmcc> did somone know a handy texteditor like app that outputs my changes in a file as a comm)?and to use it in a scrip ( like sed awk with gui
[00:30] <Sylvester_Ink> Hey, I have a quick question for a noob
[00:30] <mister_roboto> mezimezim: he says he tried to implement all garmin's protocols though so it might work :)
[00:30] <gl1tch3r> im wondering if I could backup my wubi install with mondo and then restoring it as a full install?
[00:30] <Sylvester_Ink> Buddy of mine is running Ubuntu and he got a new monitor.  It's not set up for the correct resolution
[00:31] <Sylvester_Ink> What's the best way to set the resolution for a higher setting
[00:32] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  dvi or vga connection? and what video card?
[00:32] <jtaji> Sylvester_Ink: did you try System > Prefs > Display ?
[00:32] <riverbird> i seem to be stuck in a package dependency loop .. installing tomboy1.0.1 into hardy .. any help or info??
[00:33] <Ricoshady> so whats the best way to mange packages?
[00:33] <Sylvester_Ink> oh wait.  Sorry Dr_Willis and jtaji, he didn't tell me he had 2 monitors plugged in . . .
[00:33] <Dr_Willis> Ricoshady:  with a packge manager tool. :)
[00:33] <Ricoshady> Dr_Willis, which one I mean
[00:33] <Ricoshady> apt?
[00:33] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  with nvidia cards - i just run the nvidia-settings tool and set them up
[00:34] <Dr_Willis> Ricoshady:  dosent really matter. They all do the same stuff in the background
[00:34] <Ricoshady> ive heard some do a better job with dependencies
[00:34] <type_t> #- thereis #nvidia
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> Ricoshady:  in theory they all shoukld install whatever dependencuies are needed.. or else the packges wouldent work.
[00:35] <Dr_Willis> Ricoshady:  some may be a little smarter at REMOVEING packages/deps/unneeded deps..
[00:35] <Sylvester_Ink> Dr_Willis: the new monitor uses DVI connection.  It has the same resolution issue with just one monitor plugged in
[00:35] <Sylvester_Ink> (I believe he's using an ATI videocard)
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  no idea on ati. Other then to be sure the proper restricted drivers are installed and try the system > prefs > display item.
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  and of course use DVI conector if at all possible. :)
[00:36] <Sylvester_Ink> Yeah, I figured as much :D
[00:39] <mezimezim> scunizi & mr_roboto  : I seem to be having some success with gpsbabel
[00:39] <mezimezim> thanks
[00:41] <Sylvester_Ink> Hey Dr_Willis, is it a good idea to mess around with xorg.conf
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  when in doubt - make backups.
[00:41] <Sylvester_Ink> Since it's been removed from the latest version of Ubuntu
[00:41] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  ive some machines that dont even have xorg.conf some of my systems I do have a xorg.conf
[00:42] <Dr_Willis> Sylvester_Ink:  nvidia settingsz keep the muilti monitor and other info  in there
[00:42] <Sylvester_Ink> Dr_Willis: Yeah, I use it on my laptop since that's the only way to get the correct screen rez
[00:42] <Sylvester_Ink> I'll probably have him write one up for now
[00:42] <ai9371> is ther any programs for linux that are similar to Dreamweaver?
[00:42] <ai9371> that are free
[00:43] <ai9371> something a little better than bluefish
[00:43] <type_t> wait there is .at boot menu log into single session .. what is that called .. it gives you a reconfiguration option..
[00:43] <riverbird> anyway to change sources in synaptic to pull a specific package from a newer distro?
[00:44] <type_t> not normal boot what is that called ? there is a Xserver reconfiguration option.
[00:44] <Zlobi> Hello and Happy New Year
[00:45] <qt-x> happy new year Zlobi
[00:45] <Sylvester_Ink> Anyway, thanks for the help Dr_Willis.  I'll just go to his place one of these days and set it up myself.
[00:45] <lelius> ciao
[00:46] <riverbird> howto upgrade mono1.2.6 to mono1.9.1 or better?
[00:46] <Zlobi> I am having problem with sound configuration, need to put my sound card OUTPUT in ices2 config file. Problem is that both input and output are listed as hw:0,0, so it captures very low level (mixed?). Please advise, nothing on forums
 boot into repair mode at startup .. there is reconfigure there.
[00:47] <mister_roboto> ai9371: what about http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/ or http://sourceforge.net/projects/kompozer/ ?
[00:47] <Sylvester_Ink> type_t: what's the command?
[00:48] <Zlobi> Sylvester_Ink: Just select it in GRUB menu
[00:48] <Zlobi> second one probably
[00:48] <type_t> reboot and select at bootsplash second option right above memtest
[00:48] <Sylvester_Ink> sorry, I meant, what's the reconfigure command
[00:48] <Sylvester_Ink> just reconfigure?
[00:48] <riverbird> y'all must be running windows ..
[00:49] <Zlobi> Yes, or at least there was some --help or a blue screen with menus
[00:49] <type_t> its only three options there. continue normal; drop int shell; configure Xserver..
[00:49] <Sylvester_Ink> ah, okay
[00:49] <Sylvester_Ink> thanks
[00:50] <Zlobi> I am having problem with sound configuration, need to put my sound card OUTPUT in ices2 config file. Problem is that both input and output are listed as hw:0,0, so it captures very low level (mixed?). Please advise, nothing on forums. Addition: Running Ubuntu 9.10
[00:50] <mister_roboto> type_t: can you just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[00:50] <mister_roboto> type_t: and restart x?
[00:50] <Zlobi> with sudo probably...
[00:51] <Zlobi> mister_roboto: In 9.x ubuntu I am afraid Xserver is different
 duno. lets try both and see.
[00:52] <mister_roboto> type_t:  Zlobi   i just used that technique and manually set up the xorg.conf with ubuntu 9.10 on a machine at work
[00:52] <Zlobi> mister_roboto: Fine then. So it is just different grub
[00:54] <mister_roboto> Zlobi: actually i never read up on it in detail about where the config goes now for X. i found it confusing the first time there was no xorg.conf :)
[00:54] <mister_roboto> Zlobi: but it worked
[00:55] <Zlobi> mister_roboto: Yes, commands are the same, which is god, but the guts are different
[00:56] <Zlobi> Well, what about my annoying sound problem? :P
[00:57] <Zlobi> Can I add somehow somewhere smth like hw:0,0,0 and hw:0,0,1 to differ my in and out?
[00:57] <mister_roboto> Zlobi: lol  good luck!
[00:57] <qt-x> I have a problem with the sound card it makes "clack" from 10 in 10 sec
[00:57] <qt-x> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[00:58] <Zlobi> this is Linux or at least Ubuntu bug imo
[00:58] <Zlobi> not just with my sound...
[00:59] <Zlobi> A little spam, now there is low activity...
[00:59] <Zlobi>   2:        : timer
[00:59] <Zlobi>   3:        : sequencer
[00:59] <Zlobi>   4: [ 0- 2]: digital audio capture
[00:59] <Zlobi>   5: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback
[00:59] <Zlobi>   6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback
[00:59] <Zlobi>   7: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture
[00:59] <FloodBot1> Zlobi: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:59] <nomnex> difference between Ctrl+Alt+F2 and Running the terminal from the GUI?
[00:59] <mister_roboto> Zlobi: sound on linux has always seemed to be a disaster
[00:59] <Izinucs> nomnex: the first drops you to a tty#2 .. ctrl+alt+F7 takes you back to the gui..
[01:00] <Zlobi> But the server PC doesn't even have 0- 1
[01:00] <Zlobi> i. e. dig audio play
[01:00] <goose> how can I start a screen detached?
[01:00] <Zlobi> NVidia ALC883 there
[01:00] <Guest7001> !tty | nomnex
[01:00]  * Izinucs sips his first happy new year drink in anticipation of the coming events this evening..
[01:01] <MTecknology> If you guys want to have a little fun for newyears; there's ##ubuntu-newyears
[01:01] <nomnex> Izinucs, I know the ways, but what is the difference?
[01:01] <Zlobi> mister_roboto: If I can ask politely, um, fix that disaster at last
[01:01] <Zlobi> I hope some dev reads
[01:02] <Zlobi> Shame if the same in 10.*
[01:02] <Izinucs> nomnex: couldn't tell you for certain.. the actual differences.. between runlevels, TTY's 1-6, terminal emulators etc..
[01:03] <Zlobi> Izinucs: afaicr, it is the privilege level
[01:03] <Zlobi> like sudo is not root
[01:03] <Izinucs> Zlobi: which one? TTY?
[01:04] <Zlobi> Izinucs: Yep, There is a main tty @ Atl+F1
[01:04] <mister_roboto> the diff ttys are nothing more than separate ttys. they are exactly the same priv level
[01:04] <iceroot> mister_roboto: correct
[01:04] <mister_roboto> has nothing to do with runlevels
[01:04] <iceroot> mister_roboto: also correct
[01:04] <nomnex> Izinucs, how do I launch an app from a TTY#n? It fails when I pass sudo gksu gedit (I can only run nano) and if I want to open e.g. Deluge, it fails too. I can do that from the Bash window in Gnome
[01:04] <iceroot> nomnex: sudo gksu is wrong
[01:05] <iceroot> nomnex: gksudo gedit
[01:05] <Zlobi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833765
[01:05] <Zlobi> Izinucs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=833765
[01:05] <Zlobi> others don't click unless curious
[01:05] <Izinucs> nomnex: you might not be able to run a gui app from TTY.. never tried.. if it works then it will automatically switch you to TTY7
[01:06] <trism> goose: screen -d -m
[01:06] <Ricoshady> can I get the version number from apt-cache search ?
[01:06] <Ricoshady> of a particular package?
[01:06] <iceroot> Ricoshady: apt-cache show  or apt-cache policy
[01:06] <Izinucs> Zlobi: kinda interesting doing this in a live usb of kubuntu 64 bit
[01:06] <micz> ah well anyhows happy new year n goodnite
[01:06] <goose> trism: doesn't seem to work :/
[01:07] <goose> oh nevermind
[01:07] <goose> irssi wasn't installed
[01:08] <xtjacob> does anyone know the difference between AMD-V, and AMD-V/RVI?
[01:08] <Izinucs> Zlobi: thanks for the link.. My ideas were along those lines.
[01:09] <blackest_knight> Sylvester_Ink: you might find with two monitors you have to put them vertical ( default workspace is 2048 x 2048)
[01:09] <digitalaxis> xtjacob, RVI stands for "Rapid Virtualization Indexing"
[01:09] <nomnex> Izinucs, Gtk-WARNING ** cannot display when I try to open an application from TTY. How can I manage the system and run the applications using only the command?
[01:10]  * Pelo mutters grumbles and curses
[01:10] <bastid_raZor> nomnex: TTY is not intended to run GUI apps. only command line applications
[01:10] <Izinucs> nomnex: I did that for a while.. you have to learn a totally different set of programs that will run in the TTy
[01:10] <Sylvester_Ink> blackest_knight: so you can't do them side by side?
[01:10] <Izinucs> nomnex: twinkle for IM, mutt for email, eliinks for internet browsing etc.
[01:10] <Pelo> nommthat's because you are trying to open a gui app using a console mode you need a consol app to do that same job , what are you trying to do ?
[01:10] <nomnex> Izinucs, like wim?
[01:11] <Pelo> nomnex, try nano, easier
[01:11] <Izinucs> nomnex: it would also be a good idea to learn the basics of "screen"
[01:11] <blackest_knight> Sylvester_Ink: i think its a current bug in 9.10 at least
[01:11] <nomnex> Izinucs, sceen is a software? link?
[01:12] <iceroot> nomnex: have a look at  man screen
[01:12] <Izinucs> !screen | nomnex  It's in the repos
[01:12] <iceroot> nomnex: its a must have for using cli
[01:12] <Pelo> nomnex, screen is a session manager for command line applications ,
[01:12] <ftw> screen is amazing, and byobu is a good front-end for it
[01:12] <nomnex> iceroot, all, thanks I take a look
[01:12] <ftw> Don't ssh without it!
[01:12] <blackest_knight> Sylvester_Ink:  with my netbook and 19 inch i cant go aboove 800 x 600 on the 19inch side by side
[01:13] <Pelo> nomnex, hold on a minute I 've got a nice link to get you started with the command line
[01:13] <jasonmchristos> where can i get an easily installable matrix theme for ubuntu karmic?
[01:13] <nomnex> Pelo, I stay
[01:13] <Sylvester_Ink> thanks blackest_knight, for now I think I'll just have him use one monitor
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> jasonmchristos:  check out the gnome-art and gnome-artng tools they let you easially install different theme parts.
[01:13] <Pelo> nomnex, this will get you started with the very basics   http://www.linuxcommand.org/index.php
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> jasonmchristos:  they get the stuff from the gnome-look and a few other web sites I recall
[01:14] <jasonmchristos> ok i will install it and let you know how it works thanks Dr_Willis
[01:14] <Izinucs> Is CPU scaling automatic?
[01:14] <blackest_knight> Sylvester should work vertical rouble is the xorg.conf getting junked out is creating problems
[01:15] <Tiders> cp -r to copy a whole directory?
[01:15] <iceroot> Izinucs: if the cpu supports it (and the cpu is supported by the kernel) yes
[01:15] <Pelo> Tiders, I like  cp dirname/*  less confusing
[01:15] <Tiders> Pelo, thats true thanks
[01:15] <Tiders> Pelo both would work though correct?
[01:15] <Sylvester_Ink> blackest_knight: yeah, but remember that I'm having to fix this problem remotely
[01:15] <Izinucs> iceroot: just noticed it for the first time.. live usb 64 bit kubuntu
[01:16] <Sylvester_Ink> I'm not actually at his computer, I'm telling him via gchat
[01:16] <nomnex> Pelo, I've got the link, but thanks (as the excellent Linux phrasebook-Scott Granneman-2006) if someone wants it, I'll share
[01:16] <Sylvester_Ink> and that's not fun
[01:16] <Pelo> Tiders, not sure if it would be   -r or -R but it should ,man cp to check
[01:16] <killingon1516> hi all. ubuntu novice here... im in the market to buy a LARGE mp3 player..and im wondering what works best with ubuntu..my sister told me to avoid ipods but other then that i have no guidelines..anyone help me?
[01:16] <Sylvester_Ink> killingon1516: I recommend looking into the iAudio line
[01:16] <trism> Pelo: both are correct
[01:16] <Sylvester_Ink> it's by Cowon
[01:16] <digitalaxis> killingon1516, Ipods work perfectly with ubuntu, i have used my ipod with ubuntu since ipods first came out
[01:16] <Pelo> nomnex, best suggestion I can make start bookmarking the links ppl give you ,even if you don'T use them now , eventualy you probably will need tem
[01:17] <Izinucs> Tiders: cp -r /path/of/directory /path/to/new/location
[01:17] <blackest_knight> Sylvester_Ink: well the display tool in gnome is fairly straigh forward mess  up reboot...
[01:17] <khelvan> Ok, the system just "froze" for a bit, meaning I couldn't move my mouse, then it started "stuttering," meaning I could move my mouse in spurts but not do anything, and alt-tab brought up only bits and pieces of a window, then the screen went black, then I was sent to the login screen in Karmic. I had two terminal windows open, Xchat, and Firefox...any idea what could cause this?
[01:17] <digitalaxis> killingon1516, In all honesty, ipods ARE the best MP3 player for Ubuntu.
[01:17] <Izinucs> Tiders: unless it's outside of /home
[01:17] <Hilikus> killingon1516: i second COWON, great products
[01:18] <Pelo> khelvan, what were you doing ? somethjing very cpu intensive ? that can happen
[01:18] <Hilikus> killingon1516: and stay away from ipods. they do work, but they are all hacks
[01:18] <killingon1516> well whats the biggest size for that one Hilkus?
[01:18] <Izinucs> khelvan: video driver maybe
[01:18] <blackest_knight> khelvan:  lack of ram or something doing too much try typing top in a terminal
[01:18] <digitalaxis> killingon1516, Check your private chat
[01:18] <klown> I agree, ipods work great with ubuntu, im using a 120g gen 5 classic right now
[01:18] <nomnex> Pelo, I don't understand "I can make start bookmarking the links ppl give you". but I have the link you gave me already in my bookmarks collection if it make sens?
[01:19] <Sylvester_Ink> Eh, iPods are good, but overrated
[01:19] <Sylvester_Ink> there are plenty of excellent mp3 players that aren't ipods, but few get looked at
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma> I dont like mp3 players that require special software/drivers to put music on them
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma> ipod, zune, eyc
[01:19] <Cyber_Akuma> etc*
[01:19] <Pelo> nomnex, sorry, bad wording,  bookmark every link ppl give you , you will probably need them eventualy
[01:19] <Sylvester_Ink> Cyber_Akuma: exactly, the cowon players work as thumb drives
[01:19] <khelvan> Pelo - Nothing, I had Firefox open to a few sites, htop running in one terminal, another wasn't doing anything. I was typing in XChat when it crashed. I have 12 GB of RAM. I have an Nvidia GTX 295, and am using the proprietary driver found in Karmic.
[01:19] <ga_sk8er> is there a good photo editing program where i can change only the background?
[01:19] <digitalaxis> Sylvester_Ink, i work at a radio station part time, and we use ipods for most field data storage simply because they are the most stable for large amounts of data
[01:19] <khelvan> The above was for Izinucs and blackest_knight, thanks.
[01:20] <Izinucs> Pelo: I use a mindmapper to track stuff in categories.. vym or other
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> What about laptop drive enclosures?
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> And flash memory "should" be more stable...
[01:20] <ga_sk8er> NEED A GOOD PHOTO EDITING PROGRAM
[01:20] <Hilikus> happy new year guys. im off
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> nomnex:  check out my ubuntu/linux tagged links at http://delicious.com/dr_willis also. :) and other peoples ubuntu tagged urls as well
[01:20] <Cyber_Akuma> ga_sk8er: The Gimp?
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> ga_sk8er:  thats doable with the gimp and some skill.
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> You also need to lay off the caps lock
[01:21] <Pelo> khelvan, it was just one possibility,  and wow,  I didn'T know they made comps with 12 gigs of ram , I'm impressed with your disposable income
[01:21] <Sylvester_Ink> digitalaxis: I'm not saying ipods are bad. I'm just not crazy about many of their limitations
[01:21] <ga_sk8er> cyber_akuma gimp wouldnt do what i wanted. i want to keep the ppl in the front & change the background
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> ditto Sylvester_Ink
[01:21] <klown> isnt the max on ram 32g now?
[01:21] <digitalaxis> Sylvester_Ink, lol like what?
[01:21] <Izinucs> Pelo: ram is cheap.. but you have to have the slots for that much
[01:21] <Sylvester_Ink> Like the need to use itunes to transfer audio
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> no, its far higher than 32gigs
[01:21] <khelvan> Pelo - I bought the RAM for less than $300 US. RAM is cheap these days.
[01:21] <digitalaxis> Sylvester_Ink, you dont need itunes to transfer audio
[01:21] <Cyber_Akuma> But if you are using 32 gigs of ram for a desktop, you are doing it wrong :P
[01:22] <blackest_knight> khelvan:  still worth running top  see whats going on
[01:22] <klown> lol, my board supports 16gigs of ddr3, if i need 16gigs, i got problems.
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma> heh
[01:22] <Sylvester_Ink> digitalaxis: last I checked, unless you jailbreak the ipod you require itunes (or some software that supports the interface)
[01:22] <ga_sk8er> Cyber_Akuma gimp wouldnt do what i wanted. i want to keep the ppl in the front & change the background
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma> I was planning to go 12....
[01:22]  * Pelo is playing around with an 8 yearold celeron D 1.7 mhz with 512 megs of ram and a nvidia g5200 (128mg),  Izinucs khelvan
[01:22] <Izinucs> khelvan: check dmesg too.. maybe there's a reference there .. also /var/log
[01:22] <Cyber_Akuma> my choices are 3, 6, or 12....
[01:22] <wolfsong_> why does a drive i show mounted in Nautilus not appear in Firefox?
[01:23] <Izinucs> Pelo: you're almost modern with that equipment.. I have a couple around like that I use for servers and testing
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> Course, I dont have the MONEY to build it :(
[01:23] <digitalaxis> Sylvester_Ink, ipods are the easiest mp3 player to hack bud. No need to follow what they initially require:)
[01:23] <klown> Pelo, time for an upgrade :P
[01:23] <Pelo> khelvan, Izinucs  on the other hand I just bought a 32inch lcd for that computer, it's a media center now
[01:23] <nomnex> Peolo, I do that when I don't have the links already ;-) Dr_Willis, looking now
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> My old mp3 player messed up :(
[01:23] <Sylvester_Ink> digitalaxis: but you shouldn't need to hack them
[01:23] <Cyber_Akuma> The flash seems to be stuck in read-only mode
[01:23] <Sylvester_Ink> I'd rather use my money to support a manufacturer that gives me what I want by default
[01:23] <Pelo> klown, it was a gift from my neibourg ,when she bought her new one,  it's my favorite toy right now
[01:24] <Izinucs> Pelo: I just bought a 22" monitor 'cause I wanted the realestate and can't convince my wife I need two monitors :) .. $179 at tigerdirect
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> So not only can I not delete/ad dmusic... but it can't PLAY music either because it needs scratch space
[01:24] <digitalaxis> Sylvester_Ink, well i still prefer ipods, lol
[01:24] <klown> Izinucs, im trying to convince my wife of the same
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> at least I was able to get the music OFF of it though
[01:24] <Sylvester_Ink> digitalaxis: Good, good.  They're a good mp3 player. :D
[01:24] <Pelo> Izinucs, I want one of those, but for now ,all the money went to the tv and the "office comp" is setup with an second hand 17" crt
[01:24] <Izinucs> klown: I hate the questions.. "what do you do on that all day"?
[01:24] <Cyber_Akuma> I never understood the point of two moniters
[01:25] <Izinucs> Pelo: one thing at a time :)
[01:25] <Sylvester_Ink> Cyber_Akuma: more work space
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma> Well, its true :P
[01:25] <Pelo> Izinucs, pretty much
[01:25] <klown> Izinucs, i get that all the time, even though she spends 12 hrs + playing a game on her pc.
[01:25] <digitalaxis> Cyber_Akuma, lol if you are a c++ programmer like me, you can find use for many many monitors lol
[01:25] <Pelo> hold on brb
[01:25] <Sylvester_Ink> hey, I have a quick question in general
[01:25] <JMONEY> Whats up guys
[01:25] <mister_roboto> Cyber_Akuma: it's great for developers who are running various servers, ides and monitors all up at once
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma> Only reason I upgraded my monitor was becaue the old one got so bad I couldent tell the difference between n and m anymore
[01:25] <digitalaxis> Cyber_Akuma, run my SLN's on 1 monitor, write my cpp scripts on the other and use chat and such on my third
[01:25] <Izinucs> klown: yea.. mine plays a handheld freecell game..
[01:25] <Cyber_Akuma> I meant for a desktop :P
[01:25] <Sylvester_Ink> recently on slashdot there was an article about using Vim as an IDE
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> Even then, this new monitor's size is kinda overwhelming
[01:26] <klown> Izinucs, freecell, time for her to upgrade..that game is old as hell.
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> I can't imagine having two
[01:26] <digitalaxis> I have 3 24" monitors
[01:26] <JMONEY> Im trying to install from CD I get this error: //Filesystem.squasfs failed: invalid argument -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[01:26] <Cyber_Akuma> since its 16:9, my old one was 4:3
[01:26] <Pelo> back
[01:26] <Sylvester_Ink> I'm currently moving to vim as an IDE, and I was wondering whether it would be better to stick to something like Codeblocks
[01:26] <ftw> right now I have 2 x 22" monitors, can't imagine anything less
[01:26] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, i would enjoy having two 22" monitors, anything bigger, would be overkill
[01:26] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: it's just an editor. hard to call vim an ide :)
[01:27] <Drakeson> could you please test your gnome-terminal? mine is very slow.  you can test it by doing:  "time gnome-terminal -x true"
[01:27] <Drakeson> it takes 3 seconds here
[01:27] <drx2> can you copy NTFS partitions from one drive to another with GPARTED on an Ubuntu 6.10 Live CD?
[01:27] <Cyber_Akuma> I just have a single 21.5 inch 16:9 monitor, running at 1920x1080
[01:27] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: but it can be extended to provide all the ide abilities
[01:27] <klown> i just bought a samsung 22" monitor a month ago, i want another just like it, expensive though.
[01:27] <Pelo> drx2, not sure gparted does copy
[01:27] <Cyber_Akuma> This thing was I think $120
[01:27] <Cyber_Akuma> pretty cheap
[01:27] <Izinucs> klown: she likes it .. I won't argue with her.
[01:27] <Cyber_Akuma> For what it does at least
[01:27] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: like what? syntax highlighting?  lol
[01:27] <JMONEY> Any ideas ?
[01:28] <Cyber_Akuma> 2ms response, hdcp and hdmi, audio in and out...
[01:28] <Cyber_Akuma> surprised it was only $120
[01:28] <mister_roboto> i use vi all the time and like it but it's not close to a real ide
[01:28] <Pelo> drx2, you can make a new partion an copy using a live ce but gparted has nothign to do with the copy
[01:28] <ribot> hi
[01:28] <JMONEY> Im trying to install from CD I get this error: //Filesystem.squasfs failed: invalid argument -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[01:28] <osmosis> uhh  virt-install  or  vmbuilder?  The docs reference them both.
[01:28] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: projects, debugging, function and variable lists, etc
[01:28] <kmyst> anybody know why on a fresh intrepid install with luks encryption that it refuses to work with a keyfile larger than 640 bytes?
[01:28] <klown> my samsung has 2hdmi connections, and a component connection, i can hook everything to it.
[01:28] <tomvolek_> hi , happy new year.   I am installing oracle db as user oracle , how can i add oracle user to the sudoers list ?
[01:28] <Cyber_Akuma> nice :)
[01:28] <drx2> Pelo: so how do you copy the NTFS partition and boot sector information from one drive to the other?
[01:28] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, I connected my 360 and ps3 to this thing as well as my pc
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma> since I dont have a hdtv
[01:29] <ribot> question: when i select my fat32 drive from the menu it is automatically mounted and i have permission, but when i added it in fstab i dont have any permissions as a user..how to fix this?
[01:29] <Cyber_Akuma> pc by dvi 360 by vga, ps3 by hdmi
[01:29] <klown> its your choice of course, but i dont see the point in owning a ps3 and a 360
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> 1. My PC sucks, 2. Most genras I like are not on pcs
[01:30] <Izinucs> older ps3 you can install ubuntu on
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> I have a wii too, Im a pretty big console gamer
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> tried that
[01:30] <Izinucs> slim doesn't work for that
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> ran like crap, do I put YDL instead, it was more optimized for the ps3
[01:30] <klown> subcolum 1) you own a 360 subcolum 2) you still own a 360
[01:30] <klown> :P
[01:30] <Cyber_Akuma> so*
[01:30] <Sylvester_Ink> Ah well, I'm out for now.  Thanks all of you who helped me out!  I'll try and contribute more on the IRC myself!
[01:31] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: can you point me to some of these extensions? i don't even know what that means... you have only one screen and commmand / input mode. it's not like you can step through your code watching the registers and memory locations, getting popup keyword completion, etc
[01:31] <Cyber_Akuma> so what? I like my 360 :P
[01:31] <drx2> how do you copy hard drives with Ubuntu Live CD?
[01:31] <klown> i just dont understand owning both, i own a 360 and love it, only reason id consider a ps3 is for the blueray drive, and i can buy one for 50$ :/
[01:31] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: there are so many ides out there now i can't fathom why you'd want to even try transforming vi into one. that's not the right use case for it
[01:31] <Cyber_Akuma> exclusives and friends
[01:31] <mezquitale> !ot| klown
[01:31] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: the ones I've installed so far are taglist, Nerdtree, Omnicppcomplete
[01:31] <Cyber_Akuma> half my friends have a 360, the other a ps3
[01:32] <mezquitale> !ot> Cyber_Akuma
[01:32] <Cyber_Akuma> you can't get uncharted or motorstorm on a 360, or halo and mass effect on a ps3 XD
[01:32] <Cyber_Akuma> ok ok
[01:32] <klown> mezquitale, your off topic notes are causing more issues than our conversation.
[01:32] <klown> just an fyi.
[01:33] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: I've really taken a liking to how efficient Vim is.  I'm giving it a try to see if it can compete with Codeblocks and Kdevelop
[01:33] <klown> and due to someone mentioning that you can run ubuntu on a ps3, it is on topic :P
[01:33] <Cyber_Akuma> those things always seem to crop up right when you are in the middle of talking about something, its like having a brick wall dropped in front of you when your car just hit max acceleration...
[01:34] <Cyber_Akuma> Too bad the RSX is locked out in OtherOS mode, no video acceleration on ps3 linux :(
[01:34] <JMONEY> Im trying to install from CD I get this error: //Filesystem.squasfs failed: invalid argument -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[01:34] <mezquitale> drx2, you have to use a utility that will allow you to copy partitions, partimage will do the trick
[01:34] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: well, good luck :)   i like the fact that it's everywhere and comes up instantly when i need to edit files. and i have it burned into my fingers. but once you start plugging in tons of extensions to make it into an ide, you have to wonder if you're wasting time
[01:35] <Cyber_Akuma> Ill reinstall ubuntu and opensuse on my laptop someday...... and hopefully itll actually WORK that time
[01:35] <drx2> mezquitale: is that on the LiveCD?
[01:35] <Cyber_Akuma> Linux hates my laptop's hardware :(
[01:35] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, i had the same issue with my vaio.
[01:35] <ratonplayer> !ot Drx2
[01:35] <Cyber_Akuma> 8.10 was the only distro in which all the hardware worked
[01:35] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: I'll definitely keep your advice in mind.  If it turns out to be lacking, I can easily jump back to Codeblocks
[01:35] <ratonplayer> !ot
[01:35] <Cyber_Akuma> 8.04 sound worked, nothing else, before nothing worked
[01:36] <Cyber_Akuma> 9.04 my wifi and gpu worked
[01:36] <Cyber_Akuma> ... no sorry
[01:36] <mezquitale> drx2, I dont know, boot up the the live CD and find out
[01:36] <Cyber_Akuma> 8.10 my wifi and gpu worked
[01:36] <yoasif> can i "switch users" if i am using a desktop environment other than gnome/kde? (like say, windowmaker)
[01:36] <klown> ratonplayer, !ot | ratonplayer
[01:36] <Cyber_Akuma> 9.04 gpu broke again >.<
[01:36] <klown> dont forget the | :P
[01:36] <drx2> ratonplayer: how is that off topic?    It's a good editor, but i'm acustomed to Vim
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma> I heard that ati sorta discotninued support of some older cards in linux, and the xorg that 9.04 uses needed the newer drivers... or something like that
[01:38] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, no, an intel card.::disgust::
[01:38] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto: besides, Vim has a lot of built in IDE features, so why not use them?
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma> I am.... not sure what I am
[01:38] <drx2> mezquitale: ok, how might I find the copy program on the Live CD?
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma> Its like some weird mutant offspring of two-finger and touch typing
[01:38] <Cyber_Akuma> As long as im not conscious of my fingers... I can touch type XD
[01:38] <klown> lol, im the same way
[01:39] <Cyber_Akuma> I just felt that vi is kinda cryptic
[01:39] <fallore> i'm trying to use the terminal to install samba ("sudo apt-get install samba") but i get the message "E: Coudln't find package samba"
[01:39] <klown> when i started taking programming classes in college, they made us use vi
[01:39] <Sylvester_Ink> Cyber_Akuma: It is difficult at first, but once I figured it out, I really like it
[01:40] <mister_roboto> Sylvester_Ink: sure, i'm not saying you should stay away from them. i just like the portability and do things with many different kinds of unix, most of which aren't running vim or associated plugins/extensions
[01:40] <Cyber_Akuma> Maybe I was too used to edit, but the ui seemed very..... not sure whats the word
[01:40] <kmyst> yeah well i got hooked on emacs but eventually learned that vi is installed everywhere whereas emacs wasn't and switched...now i can't see any other way of editing quickly
[01:40] <mister_roboto> Cyber_Akuma: primitive?  :)
[01:40] <Cyber_Akuma> nah
[01:40] <klown> fallore, apt-get install smbclient
[01:40] <mezquitale> drx2, boot up to the live CD, then open up a terminal and type partimage
[01:41] <Sylvester_Ink> mister_roboto, Cyber_Akuma  I'm referring to Vim rather than Vi, fyi
[01:41] <Cyber_Akuma> .... I guess cryptic, go to control mode then type ;q to quit
[01:41] <fallore> same message, klown
[01:41] <klown> fallore, try apt-get install smbfs
[01:41] <mezquitale> fallore, you go into "software sources" and enable 3rd party vendors
[01:41] <Cyber_Akuma> I mean, when you can't even figure out how to EXIT a program without a manual...
[01:41] <fallore> mezquitale: all i have is a terminal.
[01:41] <mister_roboto> Cyber_Akuma: i understand. i hated it at first too :)
[01:41] <Cyber_Akuma> I use nano when I am in a cli
[01:41] <fallore> that one didn't work either, klown
[01:41] <Sylvester_Ink> Cyber_Akuma: that's what vimtutor is for :D
[01:41] <Cyber_Akuma> and gedit or whatever is installed for gui
[01:41] <kmyst> like emacs makes sense to exit?! :q is way easier
[01:42] <riverbird> !ops kick Cyber_Akuma
[01:42] <mezquitale> !ot < kmyst
[01:42] <mezquitale> !ot >kmyst
[01:42] <Cpudan80> riverbird: do a | between the ops bit and the person
[01:42] <klown> lol, now emacs isnt related?
[01:42] <Cyber_Akuma> What advantage does vi have though nowadays? I mean, I can understand how something tiny and using up small memory was useful back in the day, but what advntage does it have over other editors nowadays?
[01:43] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, nothing really.
[01:43] <Sylvester_Ink> Cyber_Akuma: because of the available commands, editing is a lot quicker
[01:43] <kmyst> simple, it is installed everywhere
[01:43] <Cyber_Akuma> So why does everyone use it then?
[01:43] <mister_roboto> Cyber_Akuma: for me, it's primarily the speed when you have to go quickly edit a file
[01:43] <Cyber_Akuma> heh
[01:43] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, alot of people learned to use it first
[01:43] <kmyst> whether you use ubuntu or slackware
[01:43] <mister_roboto> cyber Cyber_Akuma  and it works in a terminal
[01:43] <fallore> can anyone help me install samba with only a command line?
[01:43] <bill> out of the blue: leafpad is my favourite text editor combined with the open-as-root script in nautilus for system tweaking
[01:43] <usr13> Cyber_Akuma: More reasons than you'll ever know.
[01:43] <MikeGuo> hi, guys, I got a wireless issue in my unbuntu 9.04, my wirelss card work,  but it can't connect my wireless router, if I give a security setting in my wireless router,
[01:44] <Cyber_Akuma> never heard of leafpad....
[01:44] <unop> !ot
[01:44] <ardchoille> !ot
[01:44] <klown> what is with the offtopic?
[01:44] <fallore> seriously
[01:44] <klown> calm down, plz..
[01:44] <kmyst> plus if you have to rescue a crashed system it is handy...
[01:44] <MikeGuo> it always want me input password, but I promise I did that
[01:44] <LinuxGuy2009> I'm thinking of trying 9.10 out once again to see if things have improved with audio. I was gonna take my 9.10 standard CD and use ubuntu customization kit to make a disk like there selling on on-disk.com 9.10-10.01 (9.10 with all integrated updates as of Jan 2010).Pretty easy to do. So whats the deal with pulseaudio? Did they change anything with it or is it the same unreliable crap that it has been in the past?
[01:44] <Sylvester_Ink> I guess cause this isn't a Vi forum
[01:44] <Dmole> fallore: sudo aptitude install samba -y;
[01:44] <Sylvester_Ink> I apologize for hijacking the topic
[01:44] <bill> leafpad is very similar to notepad on Windows but doesn't suck
[01:44] <Cyber_Akuma> Most of the rescue disks I have gotten have several text editors
[01:44] <klown> yes, dont talk about anything not related to ubuntu.. :/
[01:45] <klown> get a life, plz.
[01:45] <MikeGuo> anyone can help me about my wireless network issue?
[01:45] <MikeGuo> thanks
[01:45] <fallore> that worked! thank you dmole. or at least i think it did
[01:45] <mezquitale> LinuxGuy2009, i've had mixed results in both my laptop and desktop, pulse audio doesn't really work flawlessly in karmic
[01:45] <Cyber_Akuma> Hmm.... wireless...... does ubuntu still have problems with wpa support btw?
[01:45] <bill> nano at a text prompt is what I use for system rescue ;)
[01:45] <Cyber_Akuma> Im stuck on wep :(
[01:45] <usr13> Cyber_Akuma: vim is a very powerful and versitle editor that is quick and easy to use.  Try it, you'll like it.
[01:45] <Cyber_Akuma> bill: ditto
[01:45] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, havent tried wpa.
[01:45] <mister_roboto> Cyber_Akuma: i suspect that most of us vi'ers have supported many variations of unix and done so over remote ssh connections
[01:45] <Cyber_Akuma> I HAVE tried it usr13
[01:46] <fallore> Dmole: how can i check to make sure it is installed, and do you know the file that i have to edit to play with the config?
[01:46] <mezquitale> is there an admin that can take care of a couple of trolls?
[01:46] <usr13> Cyber_Akuma: Then you should like it.
[01:46] <Cyber_Akuma> I needed to boto up another pc and lookup a manual to find out how to exit after failing to use it to edit >.<
[01:46] <MikeGuo> Cyber_Akuma: I am not sure. but my wireless card worked, when my wirelss route didn't use secureity
[01:46] <klown> Cyber_Akuma, its a good program, as been mentioned, but if you dont care for it, its your personal opinion.
[01:46] <gwince> Cyber_Akuma: Yeah, I'm behind. Vi comes as standard with most distros, and it's easier to use that than anything else when you manage 300+ Redhat servers. :)
[01:46] <Dmole> fallore: man samba;
[01:46] <losha> LinuxGuy2009: Actually, I've had good luck removing pulseaudio altogether: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/fix-for-all-pulseaudio-related-issues.html
[01:46] <kmyst> mister_roboto: amen...i'm always able to use vi no matter what flavor of *nix
[01:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mezquitale: That sucks. If 10.04 LTS is this bad then Im staying with pure Debian from now on, its much more reliable and stable.
[01:46] <MikeGuo> Cyber_Akum: that's because ubuntu support wpa issue?
[01:46] <fallore> dmole: man: command not found
[01:46] <Cyber_Akuma> Im just saying its the first editor that I was not able to use without a manual, not even to be able to exit it
[01:47] <ardchoille> !ot| Cyber_Akuma
[01:47] <Cyber_Akuma> MikeGuo: I was just asking actually
[01:47] <ionine_> ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
[01:47] <klown> how is vi off topic?
[01:47] <FloodBot1> NOTICE - The above was an exploit attempt that may have disconnected some users. Please ignore it, or type « /msg ubottu exploit » for more information.
[01:47] <Cyber_Akuma> I have three systems that are wep, going to see if I can do anything about getting them to work with wpa
[01:47] <Cyber_Akuma> because its not secure >.<
[01:47] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: can't use wpasupplicant?
[01:47] <Cyber_Akuma> .... wait, no, two systems iirc
[01:48] <Cyber_Akuma> wpasupplicant?
[01:48] <MikeGuo> Cyber_Akuma: yeah, I have this issue to.
[01:48] <MikeGuo> too.
[01:48] <losha> Cyber_Akuma: vi was developed long before user 'friendliness' was even a concept. And there are still environments e.g. embedded processors where having a small but full-featured editor is worthwhile...
[01:48] <MikeGuo> I just can use Mac address limited in my router right now
[01:48] <mezquitale> klown, this is not a channel to support vi, it is to support ubuntu, is vi working on your ubuntu installation?
[01:48] <MikeGuo> so strange.
[01:48] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: aye...i have seen it in use but don't use it...my stuff is wide open :)
[01:48] <Dmole> fallore: man not found? what are you using?
[01:48] <ardchoille> losha: Please take the off topic chat to another channel
[01:48] <fallore> dmole: xbmc
[01:49] <klown> mezquitale, doesnt ubuntu come with vi?  if so, then its on topic :)
[01:49] <Cyber_Akuma> losha: yes, I know, I asknowledged this, that before modern ui concepts it was probably the best, and its still useful in tiny/embedded systems
[01:49] <bazhang> !ot
[01:49] <Dmole> fallore: oh just use google as your command line then
[01:49] <ardchoille> !ops | Cyber_Akuma losha continue ot
[01:49] <MikeGuo> kmyst: I have this issue too, but I installed the package wpasupplicant
[01:49] <Cyber_Akuma> Just don't see why its used for example on desktops nowadays, is it just because peopel are used to it? because pretty much eveyr distro has it?
[01:49] <mezquitale> klown, ok so what issue are you having with vi? is it working or not?  Please post the issue all on one line so that others may follow
[01:49] <kmyst> MikeGuo: like i said i don't use it just seen it in use before
[01:50] <klown> mezquitale, i dont have any issues with vi, but Cyber_Akuma has an issue figuring out how to use vi, and we are having a discussion about the application.
[01:50] <Guest11434> Anyone willing to try to help me with a boot problem?
[01:50] <ardchoille> klown: But this channel isn't the place for that
[01:50] <Cyber_Akuma> Not really, more like I am trying to figure out why its still the main one in use today for even desktop work
[01:51] <usr13> Cyber_Akuma: Again, there are many reasons.  You would have to use it to know.  Trust us, if you use it you will see why.
[01:51] <klown> ardchoille, its a support channel for an item on ubuntu, its like when people ask how to play mp3s on ubuntu, are you calling that off topic?
[01:51] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: it is univeral is why
[01:51] <bill> I have a question while I'm here testing this IRC client ;): I'm on karmic koala now, first time linux.  When the next LTS comes out in April, should I boot, wait for GDM then Control+Alt+F1 to a console and sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade without fully booting in Gnome?  Or does it make a difference? Not needed, use synaptic of a graphical terminal?
[01:51] <mezquitale> klown, this is ubuntu support, not vi support, if vi is up and running then ask Cyber_Akuma to go to the forums to learn how to use vi
[01:51] <D-coy> m4v hdp where r u??? :P
[01:51] <kmyst> universal rather
[01:51] <Guest11434> I just installed Ubuntu 9.10 on my mother's computer for her and ran update manager for the first time. While it was updating it told me that I'd have to restart to finish, so I chose the restart option. While it was loading it hung on the white Ubuntu symbol right before the splash page. After staying there for some time the screen went black and all I could see was
[01:51] <Guest11434> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16 [   3.575240] Adding 6032368k swap on /dev/sda5.   Priority:-1 extents:1 across: 6032368k /dev/sda1: clean, 151614/9396224 files, 1245533/37553937 blocks init: udevtrigger main process (549) terminated with status 1 init: udevtrigger post-stop process (551) terminated with status 1 init: udevtrigger main process (548) killed by TERM signal init: networking main process (554) terminated with status
[01:52] <mka> mezquitale, then what are we actually supporting in ubuntu, again?
[01:52] <Cyber_Akuma> ... the gui I guess? XD
[01:52] <MikeGuo> kmyst: ok. anyway, thanks
[01:52] <Cyber_Akuma> Since apparently its not the apps
[01:52] <MikeGuo> anyone know ubuntu wpa issue?
[01:52] <kmyst> wait i'm confused...what do we support??? ubuntu=programs from everywhere i.e. vi
[01:52] <bazhang> lets move the vi chat to #ubuntu-offtopic klown mezquitale Cyber_Akuma
[01:52] <klown> no..you discuss the word ubuntu.
[01:53] <klown> since thats the only thing directly related
[01:53] <MikeGuo> I can't connect my wireless router.
[01:53] <klown> but then again, its an african word, so that wouldnt be related either.
[01:53] <Cyber_Akuma> Ubuntu.... Isn't that like an African or something like that word meaning togetherness?
[01:53] <bill> Ubuntu is a package mainly composed of a few custom graphics.  The rest of the package is what to include from FLOSS so a definition is in order... ;) Being simple on purpose.
[01:53] <bazhang> Cyber_Akuma, please stay on topic
[01:53] <mezquitale> mka, if it works on ubuntu, the "installation" is OK, then the issue is not with ubuntu
[01:53] <Guest11434> Anyone? Or is there a particular channel I should take my question to?
[01:54] <mister_roboto> bill: on my laptop here, i just do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" fairly regularly to keep everything up to date
[01:54] <kmyst> that's what i thought..so if i need help on fsck i need to go to other chan?  good reasoning
[01:54] <mezquitale> !patience | Guest11434
[01:54] <klown> bazhang, mind if i message you?
[01:54] <mister_roboto> bill: oh, and do that from an xterm within the gui.  if the kernel changes, i reboot
[01:54] <mka> mezquitale, confused, but I am not here to discuss off-topic stuff. let me distance myself from this.
[01:54] <bazhang> klown, go ahead
[01:54] <bill> mister_roboto: oops, apt-get dist-upgrade, gotcha! I'll probably do it from a text console then if it doesn't matter - who knows? ;)
[01:55] <Cyber_Akuma> BTW, anybody here boot ubuntu and other distros at once? Was wondering if there is a way to make it so grub2 won't have problems if distros other than ubuntu update their kernel, since it seems to need to point to the kernel directly
[01:55] <Dmole> Guest11434: put your stuff in a past bin and list any changes after install
[01:56] <mister_roboto> bill: it doesn't matter. the update process will restart what it can and anything else will restart some time later. of course you can afford to update a little more freely on your desktop than you might on a mission-critical server :)
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  you could set up the other distros bootloader on the boot record of their partiton and have grub2 chainload the other disrtos bootloader.. some how..
[01:56] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah but then THAT disto will aldo triple boot
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  easiest would be to have a seperate hard drive for each disrto and use the bios menus to boot whatever hd you wanted.
[01:56] <Cyber_Akuma> also*
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  sounds like you will be doing some grub-fu-by hand work then
[01:56] <blahblahblix> q
[01:56] <Cyber_Akuma> Its a laptop and I have three OSes on it, not really possible unfortunately
[01:57] <Cyber_Akuma> WIn7/Ubuntu/OpenSUSE
[01:57] <JMONEY> so after i tried check cd for defects i get the follow message: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[01:57] <losha> Cyber_Akuma: there's no way to *guarantee* that other distros will update grub2 correctly. There's basically no substititute for checking and maintaining it by hand, in my opinion...
[01:57] <mka> Dr_Willis, to chainload even linux distros? is that efficient?
[01:57] <bill> mister_roboto: Ok then, makes sense!  Thank you for the help!  When LTS is available I'll be back the next day to see how busy this channel is before doing it myself! ;)  Thank you again, done testing IRC client now: goodbye.
[01:57] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: back before there was such a thing as grub there was lilo and i managed to do 4 linux installs using the above suggestion
[01:57] <Dr_Willis> mka:  it dosent slow down anything.. ya just have to hit 2 menu items  ay get grub2 --> other grub..  so its possuible
[01:57] <JMONEY> any help plz
[01:58] <Dr_Willis>  Grub can go on the MBR of the hard drive.. OR on teh bootrecord of the partion. thats the  'trick' to chainloading i recall.
[01:58] <bazhang> JMONEY, did you md5 the iso
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> Now making sure  the other disrtos dont fight over installing their boot records is the trick
[01:58] <JMONEY> I downloaded from ubuntu.com 2 times
[01:58] <Cyber_Akuma> There is no way I could, for example, make grub point to a config file that the distro itself can update and let THAT tell it where the kernel/everything is? Sorry if that makes no sense
[01:58] <JMONEY> bazhang, how I do that?
[01:58] <mezquitale> Cyber_Akuma, basically you just have to try it and see what happens, one issue I have found is that grub2 is poor at finding distros that have their own "/boot" partition, it's a bug and dont know if it got fixed or not but you can definetely make it work with SuSE
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  depends on what the other disrto is using.
[01:59] <Guest11434> I installed Ubuntu 9.10 earlier and everything worked just fine. I ran the update manager for the first time and while it was doing its thing it told me that I need to restart. I did so and now I can't boot into Ubuntu.
[01:59] <bazhang> !md5 | JMONEY
[01:59] <mka> Cyber_Akuma, Dr_Willis, what if there is one bootloader at the MBR and then grub2 use the /vmlinuz and /initrd symbolic links that would point to the latest kernel versions?
[01:59] <mtc> Guest11434: grub should show you an option to boot the old version, when you boot
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  some of the new fetures of grub2 will proberly let ya do that somehow.. but grub2 is still a work in progress
[01:59] <mezquitale> Guest11434, try going into a console using "altr-ctrl-F1"
[01:59] <JMONEY> bazhang, where do I get the .md5 file ?
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> mka:  part of the issue will be the various arguments to the kernel and intird also..
[02:00] <losha> mka: you'd still have to keep the links updated if anything changed, so I don't see that you're much better off....
[02:00] <Dr_Willis> Personally if using 2 linux's id just run one in virtualbox. :)
[02:00] <bazhang> JMONEY, did you check the link?
[02:00] <JMONEY> bazhang, yeah
[02:00] <mka> losha, I think when you install the a newer kernel those links are updated automatically
[02:00] <Guest11434> I tried that, I can't enter a console. It hangs on the screen with the white Ubuntu logo right before the splash screen for a bit, and then goes to a black screen with: fsck from util-linux-ng 2.16 [   3.575240] Adding 6032368k swap on /dev/sda5.   Priority:-1 extents:1 across: 6032368k /dev/sda1: clean, 151614/9396224 files, 1245533/37553937 blocks init: udevtrigger main process (549) terminated with status 1 init: udevtrigg
[02:00] <bazhang> JMONEY, just a second
[02:01] <JMONEY> k
[02:01] <Cyber_Akuma> mka: I .... don't know what that means, sorry, im still learning linux. Symbolic Links I mean.... I guess ill have to see once I reinstall opnsuse and ubuntu
[02:01] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes JMONEY
[02:01] <Guest11434> Though sometimes it's not exactly like that. other times it stops after blocks
[02:01] <Dr_Willis> Multi-boot with grub and grub2 and chainloading http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152784
[02:01] <kmyst> symbolic link is a shortcut in a sense
[02:01] <Cyber_Akuma> When I tried it, it was a mess, but the version of ubuntu I used was still using grub1, and I installed it on a n ext4 partition, opensuse coulden't read ext4 back then either
[02:01] <mka> Cyber_Akuma, a symbolic link is simply a shortcut
[02:01] <Cyber_Akuma> Now that ubuntu uses grub2 and opensuse can do ext4 im hoping it will be a bit less messy
[02:01] <losha> mka: maybe true when you update a ubuntu kernel, but if you're dual-booting say, bsd, you're gonna have to do some hand editing....
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  if you dont know what symbolic links even are.. well.. :) you may want to stick to running one disrto in virtualbox then.
[02:02] <mezquitale> Guest11434, it sounds like you have a bad hard drive
[02:02] <mka> losha, why?
[02:02] <Cyber_Akuma> Im new to linux, not computers :P
[02:02] <mtc> Guest11434: yup hard disk drive errors
[02:02] <Guest11434> Also, I'm not sure if this means anything but when it was working it just booted into Ubuntu. Ever since the problem started it's been taking me straight to GRUB
[02:02] <Cyber_Akuma> mka: I see
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  grub2 has some very powerfull scripting features that could proberly read some suse configs and auto add the proper entries.. but   i still think chainloading would be the proper way.
[02:03] <mka> losha, at some point a had 6 operating systems on 1 machine with one grub in MBR
[02:03] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, I like how its modular, saved me when using linux on THIS pc
[02:03] <mka> losha, but that was the older grub not this confusing new one
[02:03] <Cyber_Akuma> getting it to boot was a mess XD
[02:03] <losha> mka: because other distros, and even older versions of ubuntu can't be relied on to get the syntax correct when they update the grub config files....
[02:03] <mezquitale> Guest11434, do you have grub2 installed?  Does it make it to the point when you can choose what OS to boot up into?
[02:04] <mtc> Guest11434: try booting to a live cd
[02:04] <Cyber_Akuma> Old motherboard that can't read past the 132gb limit, the hdd is 160gb and I installed linux past the 132gb mark.... that took a while to fix in grub2
[02:04] <Guest11434> Actually it says GRUB 1.97 (or 94, something like that) beta. It does allow me to choose the OS to boot into (though only Ubuntu is on there)
[02:04] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  thats odd... :) then again . there used to be a 1024 cylinder limit. thats one of the reasons for  /boot/ partitions
[02:04] <kmyst> yeah but whilst in one distro grub can't/shouldn't update the config files for another distro unless for some *crazy* reason you are trying to share /boot amongst the various distros...that way lies madness
[02:05] <Guest11434> I can boot with a liveCD... Not sure what to do with it though, I've never run into a problem like this
[02:05] <mka> losha, ok, my knowledge is limited when it goes to grub2 but with the older grub, there are no problems
[02:05] <Cyber_Akuma> Tried a boot partition, still didn't help, I just wound up installing grub with the ata module instead of the bios one
[02:05] <Cyber_Akuma> Had to edit grub's autoconfig files to point to ata instead of hd devices too...
[02:05] <ribot> hi, i wonder how to mount a drive on boot the same was as you mount it when clicking it in places...the drive in question is a local fat32 drive
[02:05] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  perhaps this url -> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/suse-linux-help/57896-suse-ubuntu-dual-boot.html
[02:05] <Cyber_Akuma> thanks
[02:05] <kmyst> ribot: add it to /etc/fstab
[02:06] <mezquitale> Guest11434, boot up to your live CD, then youre going to show us how your hard drive is partition using paste bin, remember use paste bin to post multiple lines, do not post to the channel or you will be kicked
[02:06] <losha> mka: maybe you were just lucky. Plenty of people show up here claiming an update messed with their grub configs....
[02:06] <mka> Guest11434, what is your problem again?
[02:06] <ribot> kmyst: i have tried a few different ways to do this but i dont have write permissions when i do it
[02:06] <drx2> what do you do when the Live CD gets stuck on "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel?
[02:06] <mka> losha, nope, not lucky, since warty
[02:06] <Guest11434> Not sure how to use paste bin
[02:06] <mezquitale> mka, he can't boot up, he chooses his OS in grub menu then machine hungs
[02:07] <kmyst> ribot: use sudo instead of editing it as your normal login
[02:07] <mezquitale> !paste | Guest11434
[02:07] <losha> mka: did I say lucky? I meant to say terribly clever....
[02:07] <ribot> kmyst: i edited the fiel as sudo if that's what you mean
[02:07] <Guest11434> Alright, I'll try that.
[02:07] <mka> losha, neither, i like your humour, ha, ha!
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  and perhaps -> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/51822-how-triboot-computer.html
[02:08] <kmyst> ribot: what i meant was as an example: sudo vi /etc/fstab ... or whatever your poison is for an editor
[02:08] <Dr_Willis> Cyber_Akuma:  i see an improvement in your GRUB skills in your future... :)
[02:09] <ribot> kmyst i did edit fstab with sudo, but idont know what options to write to get permissions for my normal user to read and write
[02:09] <kmyst> ribot: then just add then entry e.g. /dev/hda1 /mnt/foo vfat 0 0
[02:09] <jordanwb> I've got Ubuntu 9.10 Server running on a machine and sendmail takes over a minute to startup
[02:09] <Cyber_Akuma> I forsee much swearing and wanting to punch the computer in my future
[02:09] <ribot> kmyst:  when i boot i dont have permissions to edit the files
[02:09] <Cyber_Akuma> just like my presnet
[02:09] <Cyber_Akuma> ... and past
[02:10] <kmyst> ribot: oh..yeah use the either the option user or owner
[02:10] <jordanwb> Cyber_Akuma: sometimes I feel the same way
[02:10] <fallore> terminal command to restart?
[02:10] <Cyber_Akuma> Dosen't help that im basically my family's tech support
[02:10] <Cyber_Akuma> .... AND I worked as a system analyst
[02:10] <Cyber_Akuma> >.<
[02:10] <fallore> cool story bro, this isn't offtopic.
[02:11] <kmyst> ribot: just msg me
[02:11] <Cyber_Akuma> .... at times, linux channels almost feel like a civil war between those fighting others claiming off topic.....
[02:11] <mka> I have a laptop with a massive RAM and no hard drive, not even usb flash disk, at school they said RAM is volatile, is there a way to shutdown/hibernate my ubuntu LiveCD settings and be able to resume them up later on?
[02:11] <klown> fallore, sudo reboot
[02:11] <JMONEY> bazhang, the hashes match..
[02:11] <Cyber_Akuma> mka: sleep should work
[02:12] <Cyber_Akuma> But that means itll still need power
[02:12] <JMONEY> bazhang, what I do next ?
[02:12] <mka> Cyber_Akuma, I need something that will be powered off
[02:13] <Cyber_Akuma> Not really possibl with violatle-only storage
[02:13] <Cyber_Akuma> You need something that can retain memory without power, and ram cannot
[02:13] <benjgvps> Can someone check my xorg.conf? I gives me a parse error on line 58 section module: http://pastebin.org/70235
[02:14] <mka> Cyber_Akuma, **banging head against the desk**, damn, damn, damn
[02:14] <`brandon`> hello, i have Ubuntu 9.04 Server, but when it's done and i boot into it, it go's to sh-grub, any idea's?
[02:14] <Cyber_Akuma> Why? Are you on that system right now?
[02:14] <jordanwb> benjgvps: Put a # before the disable
[02:14] <mka> Cyber_Akuma, yes, I have been running this laptop with no HDD for about 4 days now
[02:15] <`brandon`> Cyber_Akuma me?
[02:15] <Cyber_Akuma> If there are files you need to save, you could archive (and password encrypt) them then upload them to a file sharing site like rapidshare or megaupload
[02:15] <Cyber_Akuma> and write down the url
[02:15] <`brandon`> oh
[02:15] <mka> `brandon`, not you
[02:15] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: why can't one suspend and keep everything in ram so long as the battery has juice???
[02:16] <Cyber_Akuma> That or go out and buy a usb flashdrive, im afraid those are sorta your only oreal options
[02:16] <mka> `brandon`, oh, maybe you
[02:16] <Cyber_Akuma> kmyst: he said he needs a powerless solution
[02:16] <jordanwb> mka: buy a hard drive
[02:16] <kmyst> Cyber_Akuma: missed that part, sorry
[02:16] <riverbird> mka, which distro are you using?
[02:16] <Cyber_Akuma> np
[02:16] <JMONEY> bazhang, you there?
[02:16] <mka> jordanwb, I have a HDD but it disappears anytime it wants
[02:17] <mka> riverbird, I am using an intrepid livecd
[02:17] <`brandon`> mka: nope not me.
[02:17] <mka> `brandon`, man, it has to be you
[02:17] <benjgvps> jordanwb: I added the # and it gives me the same error
[02:17] <kmyst> speaking of intrepid...anybody other there use it and have their drive encrypted?
[02:17] <kmyst> and use a keyfile?
[02:17] <riverbird> mka, if you run from a karmic livecd, you could save straight to the One client, just an option
[02:18] <klown> benjgvps, # in front of lines 57-60
[02:18] <klown> benjgvps, excuse me, 59*
[02:18] <jordanwb> I've got Ubuntu 9.10 Server running on a machine and sendmail takes over a minute to startup
[02:18] <mka> riverbird, I left my karmic livecd at a distance city ~1000km away
[02:18] <benjgvps> Sure
[02:19] <drx2> Why might the LiveCD stall on Begin:  Mounting root file system...
[02:19] <xrfang> anyone using gnome-shell?
[02:19] <klown> benjgvps, any reason why you are disabling dri?
[02:19] <klown> benjgvps, let me rephrase, is there a specific reason*
[02:19] <losha> jordanwb: that's usually a config problem, most often dns. Are there any messages about sendmail in /var/log/messages?
[02:19] <benjgvps> I see the problem now
[02:19] <mka> riverbird, jordanwb, Cyber_Akuma, anyway any clue why my hdd just disappears without any real notice?
[02:19] <benjgvps> klown: X wasn't starting
[02:20] <benjgvps> The vesa driver isn't installed
[02:20] <kmyst> mka: what kind of drive?
[02:20] <mka> kmyst, laptop hdd
[02:20] <riverbird> maybe the homeland security took it
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> mka:  last time ive seen hard drives 'vanish' there was some error messages in dmesg, about the reasons..
[02:20] <kmyst> mka: no i mean make/model/etc
[02:20] <Dr_Willis> mka:  its possible the hd is failing.
[02:20] <jordanwb> losha: I'll check
[02:21] <mka> Dr_Willis, kmyst when it vanish i cannot even execute "ls"
[02:21] <ribot> hi again
[02:21] <kmyst> mka: well i had that happen a while back but it was due to faulty firmware thanks to seagate
[02:21] <Dr_Willis> mka:  sounds like some harware issues to me.. try out a live cd.  or live usb. and id be backing up any info you need from it soon,.
[02:22] <ribot> still unable to boot ubuntu with a mounted drive that i have permissions on
[02:22] <kmyst> mka: the thing would just go into neverland and quit responding
[02:22] <kmyst> ribot: msg me
[02:22] <xrfang> I have a question about gnome-shell, how to make it the default window manager/shell of gnome? now I have to auto-run gnome-shell --replace as metacity is loaded by default, and I don't know where to change this behavior
[02:22] <mka> Dr_Willis, ja it's hardware I think so as well, because I can mount it sometimes and access files, then about 2 minutes later, POOF, files are gone
[02:23] <kmyst> sounds like hardware then
[02:23] <losha> mka: I'm with Dr_Willis. There should be endless complaints in dmesg if the disk drops out....
[02:23] <riverbird> must be an old windows drive
[02:23] <kmyst> any seek not ready statements in the kernel log?
[02:24] <itsnotstalking> losha, you just dont know how to treat her right ;)
[02:24] <mka> losha, but I never ever seen that disk for the past 4 days, its a luck if it shows up (like a rain in the desert)
[02:24] <mka> losha, sudo fdisk -l is blank
[02:24] <ardchoille> xrfang: put gnome-shell --replace in your startup apps
[02:24] <jordanwb> losha: There's nothing regarding sendmail
[02:24] <matelot> ? Hi does Ubuntu(904) recognize the "windows" key ?
[02:25] <matelot> at all
[02:25] <losha> jordanwb: and nothing in the output of dmesg ?
[02:25] <usr13> matelot: If you want it to.
[02:25] <mka> losha, I managed to quickly deleting its swap partition because it used to trap my livecd session when it vanishes
[02:25] <ribot> how come it's so easy to get permissions when you mount the drive from ubuntu's gui, but so difficult to mount it on boot?
[02:25] <jordanwb> losha: dmesg | grep sendmail gives nothing
[02:25] <Scott1979> no and why should it its a windows kry
[02:25] <maximilian> hay
[02:25] <matelot> usr13, by default it does not, right ?
[02:25] <Scott1979> ctrl alt delete it does
[02:25] <maximilian> happy new year
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> matelot:  the Windows key is normalluy called the 'Super' key  in Linux. and its useable by many programs as a extra meta-key
[02:26] <JMONEY> why Ubuntu so hard to install ?
[02:26] <losha> mka: does sound like bad hardware. Try smartmontools?
[02:26] <Xfact> happy new year already passed here 8 hrs ago
[02:26] <benjgvps> Well, when I try to use vesa as the driver it tells me that there are no devices detected
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> matelot:  compiz uses it for a lot of features. ie: Super-tab.
[02:26] <usr13> matelot: you can assign it to do what you want, like bringing up the start menu... or some other clever function of your choosing.
[02:26] <kmyst> ribot: because you need the user option in fstab
[02:26] <maximilian> i am from germany its 03:26 now xD
[02:26] <xrfang> ardchoille: that's what I did, but I hope to not load metacity at all... how to do it?  also, from the author's blog I see the screenshot have some notification icons on the bottom, but I don't have it...
[02:26] <ribot> i wrote user already kmyst , stil i dont have permissions
[02:26] <mka> losha, Dr_Willis, kmyst, jordanwb anyway thanks for the input, I am planning of sending the laptop for repairs. It's definitely hardware.
[02:27] <losha> jordanwb: odd. But google for
[02:27] <matelot> Dr_Willis, usr13, I am thinking of making 'Super+l' == Lock screen
[02:27] <matelot> like in Windoz
[02:27] <ardchoille> xrfang: Not sure, I just use the startup apps for it
[02:27] <kmyst> ribot: just do a hailmary: chmod 777 the mountpoint
[02:27] <JMONEY> install error: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[02:27] <ribot> kmyst: i did that, and then on mounting it changed
[02:27] <losha> jordanwb: odd. But google for  'sendmail takes forever to start' and you'll find lots of things to try...
[02:27] <JMONEY> what can be the problem ?
[02:27] <ribot> kmyst: /dev/sda2       /media/DATA vfat user 0 0
[02:28] <JMONEY> I tried checking the md5sum everything ok
[02:28] <ardchoille> xrfang: Also, gnome shell is still in heavy dev, so the author may be running a version that hasn't been released yet
[02:28] <JMONEY> I even downloaded it again and burn 2 cds
[02:28] <JMONEY> still
[02:28] <mka> kmyst, what is a hailmary?
[02:28] <JMONEY> anyhelp please
[02:28] <kmyst> ribot: uh that looks right
[02:28] <mka> matelot, you can use gconf-editor for that
[02:28] <JMONEY> 9.10 i386
[02:29] <JMONEY> install error: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[02:29] <usr13> JMONEY: What can we help you with?
[02:29] <kmyst> ribot: slang for hope that works more or less
[02:29] <Dr_Willis> JMONEY:  you could always try installing from flash drive.  I guess..
[02:29] <ribot> kmyst: that's what not worked
[02:29] <mka> !enter | JMONEY
[02:29] <JMONEY> Dr_Willis, i've done that too
[02:29] <matelot> mka, or just the 'Preference > Keyboard...' right ?
[02:29] <losha> mka: a hail mary  is a traditional Catholic prayer....
[02:29] <kmyst> ribot: when did you chmod? before or after it mounted?
[02:29] <mka> matelot, no ALT+F2 then gconf-editor
[02:30] <benjgvps> Well I don't wish to spend the entire new year's eve on something as broken as xorg, so I'll stick with what it gives me even though it is far from what I want.
[02:30] <mka> losha, oh
[02:30] <jordanwb> losha: Adding "<IP_ADDRESS> JORDAN-SERVER.local. JORDAN-SERVER" to /etc/hosts fixed it. Thanks
[02:30] <ribot> kmyst: i unmounted it, chmodded, then it was open, then mounted, then file perms back
[02:30] <usr13> JMONEY: You may need to set boot options on your PC... but it is hard for us to tell why you are unable to boot to the install disk...
[02:30] <kmyst> ribot: right, do it after
[02:30] <losha> jordanwb: cool...
[02:30] <ribot> i ahve to cmod all files? it takes forever
[02:30] <jordanwb> losha: I did do a google search, but the wording makes all the difference.
[02:30] <xrfang> ardchoille: yes I see it is doing well, last time it is crappy and very slow, now I can even use it daily :)
[02:30] <usr13> JMONEY: That is the problem you are having, right?
[02:31] <kmyst> ribot: no just the mount point
[02:31] <roger_> where should i go for a question with alsa
[02:31] <ribot> besides, i want it to work on boot
[02:31] <JMONEY> install error: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[02:31] <Andre> roger_: are you using ubuntu?
[02:31] <roger_> Andre yeah
[02:31] <Andre> roger_: then this is the right channel
[02:31] <roger_> ubuntu 9.04
[02:31] <usr13> JMONEY: If you have a question, please ask it.
[02:31] <losha> roger_: I believe there is a #alsa group, but you could also ask here....
[02:31] <usr13> JMONEY: We will do our best to answer.
[02:31] <roger_> ok give me a second to write
[02:32] <JMONEY> I burn the cd when i press install i get this message install error: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[02:32] <ribot> kmyst: it doesnt seem to work, it doesnt change...besides it's fat32 drive
[02:32] <usr13> JMONEY: Here is how it works.  You ask questions.  We try our best to give you answers.
[02:32] <roger_> i have a sound blaster live 24 bit, i do a sound test and all 6 channels work, but when i play movies and music it only comes out of the front stereo
[02:32] <JMONEY> usr13, I did
[02:32] <klown> JMONEY, what format is the drive in?
[02:32] <kmyst> ribot: yes but the point which it is mounted isn't /media/DATA so chmod /media/DATA not the files inside DATA
[02:32] <JMONEY> its a CD
[02:32] <JMONEY> i burn the ISO to a cd
[02:33] <ribot> kmyst: chmod 777 /media/DATA/
[02:33] <usr13> JMONEY: Are you having trouble booting to the install CD?  (I do not know what you are asking)
[02:33] <kmyst> ribot: yep
[02:33] <JMONEY> Yes it boots
[02:33] <JMONEY> I get to the boot menu
[02:33] <JMONEY> when I hit install
[02:33] <JMONEY> install error: //filesystem.squashfs failed: invalid arguments -- can not mount /dev/loop0 (/cdrom/casper/filesystem.squashfs)
[02:33] <ribot> kmyst: after that it's drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 16384 1970-01-01 01:00 DATA
[02:34] <kmyst> ribot: can't be it should be drwxrwxrwx
[02:34] <ribot> but it is
[02:34] <Xfact> My nvidia card is doing problem on my on my Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...details here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349757/
[02:34] <Xfact> please hlp...:(
[02:34] <mka> kmyst, ribot is the filesystem FAT32?
[02:34] <ribot> mka: yes
[02:35] <mka> ribot, then chmod 777 will not work
[02:35] <kmyst> yeah your right
[02:35] <ribot> i noticed
[02:35] <mka> ribot, do this "sudo mount /media/DATA -o umask=0000"
[02:35] <kmyst> mka but it isn't honoring user either
[02:36] <Xfact> My nvidia card is doing problem on my on my Ubuntu 8.04 LTS...details here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349757/
[02:36] <mka> ribot, sorry, do this "sudo mount /media/DATA -o remount,umask=0000"
[02:36] <usr13> JMONEY: So you boot the computer with the Ubuntu install CD in the CDROM?  Right?  Tell us what you see on the screen  first?  And what ISO is it you have burnned to the CD?
[02:36] <klown> Xfact, have you installed the restricted drivers for the card?
[02:36] <mka> kmyst, what do you mean by "honoring user"
[02:36] <Xfact>  klown: yes from the hardware driver section
[02:37] <ribot> mka: doesn't work
[02:37] <JMONEY> usr13, It boots the cd I get to the BOOT menu with the options to install, try, etc.. I hit install and get the message
[02:37] <ribot> mka: i added user as option in fstab
[02:37] <kmyst> mka: to mount automatically and have his user be able to work with files instead of being root
[02:37] <mka> ribot, is this a usb flash disk?
[02:37] <ribot> mka no it's the hard drive
[02:37] <klown> Xfact, and have you installed the drivers from synaptic?
[02:38] <mka> ribot, /dev/sd what?
[02:38] <ribot> sda2
[02:38] <usr13> JMONEY: I'd say there is a problem with the CD or the CDROM.
[02:38] <mka> ribot, which user do you want to have permissions?
[02:38] <ribot> the user ribot
[02:38] <JMONEY> usr13, I even tried to install from USB stick, Hard Dick
[02:38] <JMONEY> same problem.
[02:39] <usr13> JMONEY: What is your hardware?  (What type of PC are you booting?)
[02:39] <Xfact> klown: no not from synaptic...automatically from-System>admin>hardware drivers..... (it was showing driver available..I just installed it...)
[02:39] <klown> JMONEY, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1138307  check that out.
[02:39] <JMONEY> usr13, dell demesion 3000
[02:39] <mka> ribot, you can add this to the fstab file "/dev/sda2 /media/DATA vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=0007 0 0"
[02:40] <mka> ribot, but I like persistent filesystem to have mount points in /mnt rather than /media
[02:40] <riverbird> JMONEY, is this a liveCD?  what is your RAM?
[02:41] <ribot> why do you like this mka?
[02:41] <JMONEY> ram 1gh
[02:41] <ribot> i will try your line now mka, thanks for your help, and kmyst too
[02:41] <JMONEY> ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386
[02:41] <mka> ribot, because if you I insert a USB flash disk and it's name is DATA it will be mounted to a mount point called /media/DATA
[02:41] <kmyst> np
[02:41] <Xfact> waitng for help...
[02:41] <ribot> good point!
[02:42] <jmp> happy new year
[02:42] <jmp> to everybody
[02:42] <Xfact> you too
[02:42] <riverbird> JMONEY, can you boot to the liveOS?
[02:43] <netlog> to jmp, thanks!  the same for everybody
[02:43] <netlog> padin or empathy can't run QQ for my account--may be my password has special characters. and my OS run on AMD 64,it cann't be install qq for linux, is that anyone has the same problam?
[02:44] <mka> I have to leave now, everyone still living in 2009, we are waiting for you this side happy new year and hacking!!
[02:44] <ribot> mka: it's working now =)
[02:44] <riverbird> JMONEY, is the disc you burnt the iso to a cd-r or cd-rw?  did it have anything on it before?
[02:44] <mka> ribot, you still around?
[02:44] <JMONEY> its iso to a cd-r
[02:44] <JMONEY> i just bought it
[02:45] <klown> Xfact, check this, it may help you some https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes#nVidia%20%22legacy%22%20video%20support
[02:45] <mka> !yay | ribot
[02:45] <JMONEY> i burn 2 copies
[02:45] <ribot> mka. yes i rebooted, however don't know how you connected that to the user ribot
[02:45] <Xfact> klown: ok looking....
[02:46] <tos> how to i start the mouse deamon
[02:46] <mka> ribot, I assumed that your uid is 1000 and your gid is 1000 (type "id" to confirm this for yourself)
[02:46] <klown> Xfact, basically, it says you need to upgrade to the 173 version of the prop. driver.
[02:46] <ribot> mka, yes
[02:46] <mka> ribot, the umask option makes sure that the permissions are rwxrwx---
[02:47] <mka> ribot, if you want rwxr-x--- then you should have umask=0027
[02:47] <tos> how to i start the mouse deamon??????????????
[02:48] <skyn3t_> hey
[02:48] <tos> for gnome
[02:48] <riverbird> JMONEY, i had a similar issue .. i ended up downloading a new iso from a different server and rebunring it.  worked fine then.  never solved the original problem ..
[02:48] <mka> ribot, and lastly, fat32 filesystem doesn't have the feature for owners/groups and permissions so these are just to fool the kernel
[02:48] <JMONEY> riverbird, i might have to do the same then
[02:49] <skyn3t_> who want become to become a good member of nice torrent TRACKER just send me PM
[02:49] <ribot> mka: i see, thanks
[02:49] <skyn3t_> i got 10 invites
[02:49] <mka> ribot, that's why trying to use chmod and chown on a fat32 drive does not work
[02:49] <ardchoille> skyn3t_: Don't post that here
[02:49] <riverbird> JMONEY, the first md5sum matched and everyhting .. no idea ..
[02:49] <skyn3t_> i just want to sahre
[02:49] <skyn3t_> share*
[02:49] <mka> geez i have to go
[02:49] <ardchoille> !ot | skyn3t_
[02:50] <tos> how to i start the mouse deamon for gnome-desktop   ??????????????
[02:51] <klown> Xfact, i found this, its more related, and it seems that you dont have to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:52] <kylecarey> my laptop died, how do i skip the fsck before the system boots?
[02:53] <blackest_knight> kylecarey:  esc
[02:54] <losha> kylecarey: skipping the fsck is usually a really bad idea. Why do you want to do this?
[02:54] <Xfact> klown: ok...
[02:54] <kylecarey> losha: well it hangs at 21%
[02:55] <losha> kylecarey: are you sure it hangs, not just a long pause when it runs? If it really hangs, the filesystem on the drive might be in really bad shape....
[02:56] <Scott1979> what comuter specs u have kyle
[02:56] <Scott1979> pentuim 3
[02:57] <jmp> do somebody know a good soft like babylon on ubuntu
[02:57] <kylecarey> well at 21% i opens a maintenance shell because of UNEXPECTED INCONSISTANCY
[02:57] <Jonesing_me> Hey guys, is it possible to use a tv tuner card to stream through a website somehow?
[02:57] <losha> kylecarey: that's a bad sign. Do you have any files on there you absolutely can't afford to lose?
[02:58] <kylecarey> losha: and when i try to run fsck in the maintenance shell i get a short read error
[02:58] <Scott1979> using vlc u can strea myour recorded video out
[02:59] <sa_zzz> najmi
[03:00] <kylecarey> losha: not really, i just installed and got compiz and AWN installed thats about it other than setting up my fingeprint scanner
[03:00] <losha> Jonesing_me: I don't see why you couldn't, it might need a lot of cpu to compress as it streams. Google for videolan server
[03:00] <sa_zzz> indonesia
[03:00] <Jonesing_me> losha, im trying to set it up so i can watch TV while at school so it will  be streaming from my home PC
[03:01] <losha> kylecarey: that's good, because worst case your filesystem is corrupted. In your place, I would boot a live cd and fsck the disk manually before rebooting....
[03:02] <kylecarey> losha: ok, ill boot a livecd and report back
[03:02] <najmi> hai sewmua
[03:02] <JMONEY> hmmm
[03:02] <najmi> ga ada orang indonesia
[03:03] <JMONEY> installin inside of windows
[03:03] <losha> Jonesing_me: kind of a d-i-y slingbox? I'm sure it's possible. Much easier to just read a book instead though :-)
[03:03] <moore> can anyone offer some assistance with plymouth on a karmic install?
[03:03] <Jonesing_me> losha,  rude man
[03:03] <tvaughn> how can i change directory if the directory name has a space in it
[03:03] <manco> I get an error  when I use wvdial
[03:03] <manco> he PPP daemon has died: A modem hung up the phone (exit code = 16)
[03:03] <najmi> masa si
[03:03] <Xfact> klown: I found my device with Device PCI ID, will it help me...
[03:03] <Xfact> '0x03D1'
[03:03] <ardchoille> !indonesia | najmi
[03:03] <moore> tvaughn: cd "name of directory"
[03:03] <tvaughn> i tried that
[03:03] <tvaughn> it didnt work
[03:04] <tvaughn> i got a > prompt
[03:04] <moore> tvaughn: with the quotes?
[03:04] <ubuntu_> hi i need help installing ubuntu everytime I try to install it when it comes time to partition it says/shows this (nothing): http://i49.tinypic.com/aujokh.jpg and when I click foward it says this: http://i46.tinypic.com/2v9w5dd.jpg
[03:04] <tvaughn> wait it worked this time
[03:04] <ubuntu_> has anyone had this same problem ?
[03:04] <tvaughn> thanks
[03:04] <moore> yup.
[03:04] <losha> Jonesing_me: sorry, the 'watch TV while at school' was irresistible...
[03:05] <tvaughn> moore, how do i put the output of ls into a txt file
[03:05] <tvaughn> >>?
[03:05] <tvaughn> or is it a pipe
[03:05] <Jonesing_me> losha,  =[
[03:05] <Xfact> klown: I found my device with Device PCI ID, will it help me...  '0x03D1'
[03:05] <ardchoille> tvaughn: ls blah >> file.txt
[03:05] <moore> tvaughn: you could ls > /tmp/ls.txt
[03:05] <ubuntu_> can someone please help me ?
[03:05] <Jonesing_me> r as in robert losha
[03:05] <funghoul> ubuntu_:what version?
[03:05] <tvaughn> whats difference between > and >>
[03:06] <ubuntu_> the latest one i think
[03:06] <ardchoille> tvaughn: ">" overwrites, ">>" appends
[03:06] <tvaughn> ok
[03:06] <funghoul> tvaughn: > makes or starts a new file while >> adds to the egstiting file if there is one
[03:06] <Xfact> Guys please suggest me which is best for my system Xubuntu or Ubuntu? http://paste.ubuntu.com/349766/
[03:06] <najmi> gimana caranya join?
[03:06] <ardchoille> funghoul: ">>" works regardles of an existing file
[03:07] <ubuntu_> funghoul the latest one Im pretty sure its 9.10
[03:07] <philabole> Please anyone tell me why my mouse would stop working
[03:07] <philabole> and how to fix it
[03:07] <najmi> tolonglah............
[03:07] <losha> Xfact: either should work, but the majority of people use ubuntu, so it has the best support, so that's what I'd recommend...
[03:07] <funghoul> Do you have a copy of any of the earlier ones ubuntu_
[03:07] <ardchoille> Xfact: Ubuntu should be ok with that system
[03:08] <Xfact> thanks for suggestion guys :)
[03:08] <tvaughn> worked for what i wanted perfectly
[03:08] <tvaughn> :)
[03:08] <najmi> aku kurang ngerti bhs inggris
[03:08] <ardchoille> Xfact: That's better than the system I'm using right now and my Ubuntu is nice and fast
[03:08] <kylecarey> losha: the live fsck gives me the same errors as the system one
[03:08] <sixtila> happy new year #ubuntu
[03:08] <ubuntu_> funghoul no
[03:09] <ardchoille> !indonesia | najmi
[03:09] <Xfact> ok I will use ubuntu
[03:09] <funghoul> will is boot to the live cd ubuntu_?
[03:09] <losha> kylecarey: it doesn't prompt to allow you to choose to correct the inconsistency?
[03:09] <ubuntu_> but I've installed it in before just fine with this version I dont know whats wrong this time :/
[03:09] <tvaughn> what year is the real y2k? 2032?
[03:09] <sixtila> i think 2032
[03:10] <sixtila> he he he
[03:10] <kylecarey> losha: no
[03:10] <ubuntu_> funghouls yes I am talking to you from a live cd if thats what ur saying
[03:10] <ratonplayer> !ot losha
[03:10] <losha> !id | najmi
[03:11] <funghoul> ubuntu_ try booting into the live cd and opening gparted and formating what ever partions are on your hard drive, it could be a bad partion table, not sure, it could be a bad hard drive too
[03:11] <riverbird> 2038
[03:11] <ubuntu_> where is gparted ?
[03:11] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: should be under System > Administration on the livecd
[03:11] <funghoul> ubuntu_ look in the admin menu
[03:11] <jacob_> any good scripts out there that convert divx to iso that work with ubuntu 64 Bit
[03:12] <losha> ratonplayer: less criticism and more support would be a better use of your time...
[03:12] <manco> ubun|
[03:12] <ubuntu_> ok
[03:12] <funghoul> ubuntu_ did you find it? did it open?
[03:13] <Silnt> can i connect my cablem modem to my linux box via usb then have my built in nic to my hub for the rest of my computers? or do i need to use two nics?
[03:13] <ubuntu_> what do I do once in in there archoille and funhoul
[03:13] <kcsrnd> how do i check to see if i'm using the latest drivers for my video card?  it's an Intel GM965 Express
[03:13] <ubuntu_> funghoul yes i did
[03:13] <funghoul> format you hard drive and then try installing then.
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  connection via usb will be slower then a normal network cable connection.
[03:14] <Silnt> damn
[03:14] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  i doubt if the cable modem can do both also.. best bet is to get a router.
[03:14] <losha> kylecarey: that's unusual. It implies the filesystem can't be salvaged. I guess you've no option but to boot without completing the fsck. I wouldn't trust the filesystem now that this has happened. Backup anything important and expect plan to do a reinstall in the near future....
[03:14] <ubuntu_> funghoul how do I format it ?
[03:14] <Silnt> dr: no i wanna have my linux be the main internet server so my cable modem would be connected via usb then from the built in nic would goto my linksys router for the rest of the computers
[03:15] <funghoul> ubuntu_ does it so a list of partions?
[03:15] <Silnt> i only have pci nics and my box only has 1 pci-e slot
[03:15] <ubuntu_> yeah
[03:15] <ubuntu_> funghoul yeah
[03:15] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  that may be possible. but the usb -> pc connection will be slower then  a normal network connection
[03:15] <Silnt> i hear usb is 4-8mbs
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  im not even sure how well/what is needed for the cable modem -> usb connection. thats  a feature they had ages ago for people that dident have nic's..
[03:16] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  so it may need special drivers even.
[03:16] <funghoul> ubuntu_ ty left right clicking on and editing the partion
[03:16] <losha> Silnt: why not the usual setup of cable-modem <---> linksys router <---> pcs
[03:16] <kylecarey> how would i format a hdd so that its completley empty
[03:16] <funghoul> ubuntu_ warning you will lose any thing on the partion
[03:16] <Silnt> i want linux to be the firewall/server
[03:17] <Silnt> i dont want anything getting threw to my other computers and i can control it better with linux
[03:17] <Silnt> firewall wise
[03:17] <ubuntu_> funghoul its ok I dont care, to what do I format it to ?
[03:17] <Silnt> normally i would have 2 nics in my box
[03:17] <Silnt> but i dont have a extra pci-e nic
[03:17] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  you are assuming the cablemodem -> usb -> linux box -   will even work.. :)
[03:17] <kylecarey> how would i format a hdd so that its completley empty?
[03:18] <Andre> kylecarey: dd
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> kylecarey:  sudo mkfs.whatever /dev/whatever ,  to format
[03:18] <losha> kylecarey: mkfs will format a drive. The only trick is to get the device name correct....
[03:18] <kylecarey> thanks all
[03:18] <Dr_Willis> kylecarey:  unless you are asking how to 'securely' erase a hd..  there are tools just for that.
[03:18] <kylecarey> no
[03:19] <Silnt> linux doesnt support usb cable modems?
[03:19] <patrickchoo> hi
[03:19] <tyler_> hello
[03:19] <tyler_> and how is every one today
[03:19] <funghoul> ubuntu_ first pick your hard drive, be sure you get the right one, then erase any partions and make a new one.  I like to use 3.  one as a swap, on as the system partion and one as the home partion but one partion works just fine
[03:19] <Dr_Willis> Silnt:  No idea.. Ive never seen one used by ANYONE under linux or windows. :)   the ISP guys even said dont bother with the USB ports on the cable modems
[03:20] <losha> Silnt: feeding a cable modem to a nat router and only forwarding selected ports is pretty much the safest setup you can have (in my opinion)....
[03:20] <tyler_> hey is any one here really good with linux
[03:20] <Dr_Willis> tyler_:  whats linux? :)
[03:20] <tyler_> lol
[03:21] <ratonplayer>  I have a dream !
[03:21] <ratonplayer> that my four little PC
[03:21] <ratonplayer> live in the world
[03:21] <losha> Silnt: dunno if it's still true, but cable modem usb ports were notorious for having problems and being unreliable...
[03:21] <ratonplayer> that not bedjuges by the content of their OS
[03:21] <ratonplayer> but bu the fact they run in linux!
[03:21] <ratonplayer> i have a dream today
[03:21] <tyler_> no what i need to know is there a way i can see all the ip address connected to me in terminal
[03:21] <Silnt> hmm
[03:21] <ratonplayer> MLK ! x)
[03:22] <tyler_> any one
[03:22] <arbir> hello.. is there a separate channel for the ubuntu server ?
[03:22] <losha> tyler_: netstat -a should list all network connections....
[03:23] <funghoul> tyler the easiest way i can think of is using lynx to access your routers web page but that is pretty lame
[03:23] <ubuntu_> funghoul ok I deleted the partitions how do I create partitions ?
[03:23] <losha> arbir: I don't think so. No harm in asking your question here....
[03:23] <JMONEY> install ubuntu inside of windows but I can't install any packages..
[03:23] <ubuntu_> funghoul Im sorry im really new...
[03:23] <shawn_> What do I do if my DVD burn is stuck at "Finalising" In brasearo
[03:24] <arbir> :-) thanks losha
[03:24] <funghoul> ubuntu_ should be a command to do it in the menu, don't be afraid to play around with it
[03:24] <losha> shawn_: write off that dvd, and switch to k3b....
[03:24] <arbir> since i am dealing with a server based OS, i need to understand, how different is ubuntu server as compared with debian ?
[03:24] <tyler_> in netstat -a works but that does not show me the ip
[03:24] <shawn_> losha, K3B?
[03:24] <ubuntu_> funghoul ok thanks :)
[03:25] <losha> tyler_: netstat -an
[03:25] <funghoul> ubuntu_ the install disk should be able to fix any thing to out of wack if your partion tables are rewriten by gparted
[03:25] <tyler_> nope still nothing
[03:25] <losha> shawn_: an alternative to brasero (brasero seems to be especially buggy)
[03:26] <losha> !k3b
[03:26] <kylecarey> if you use compiz and such on a gnome is it faster than useing kde and compiz?
[03:26] <Izinucs> tyler_: ifconfig will show you stuff.. don't know if you've tried it yet or not.. ip will display
[03:28] <tyler_> ifconfig just shows u ur hardware
[03:28] <tyler_> not whats connected to u
[03:28] <losha> kylecarey: I don't know for sure, but if there were a really big speed difference, people would be shouting about how much faster it was. and that doesn't happen, so....
[03:28] <Dr_Willis> kylecarey:  kde4 dosent realluy need compiz. it has its own EyeCandy
[03:28] <Scott1979> i prefer compix on gnome
[03:29] <Izinucs> ah.. you want someting that shows what is connected to you.. not what your ip address is.. try wireshark
[03:29] <kylecarey> losha: yea, i was just wondering. im torn on weather to install ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:29] <funghoul> is there a way to exclude the local programs communicating to each other in the list you get from netstat -an?
[03:29] <tyler_> ok i have wireshark
[03:29] <Scott1979> kde is very 3d in deskto and has a wideget ovelay as default so yes u will get a slower dektop if u dont have the power in kde
[03:29] <tyler_> but how do u use it
[03:29] <dfcnvt> You want to know your external ip address? Type down ipaddress in google then click for feeling lucky
[03:29] <jmoney_> kool
[03:29] <kylecarey> thanks scott1979
[03:30] <Scott1979> is ok kyle
[03:30] <tyler_> no i want to know wht is connected to me
[03:31] <tyler_> and what there ip is
[03:31] <Scott1979> i prefer gnome and i have both kde and gnome installed
[03:31] <acovrig> is it just me or is something wrong with #php?
[03:31] <dfcnvt> I see, It is either you can use wireshark or arptable
[03:31] <benjgvps> Hey, I want to make my old PC a media player, I have Rythmbox installed though when I try to play an MP3 I get a message telling me that it can't download an encoder
[03:31] <Scott1979> are u trying to see the ips that are connected to u tyler
[03:31] <benjgvps> or it doesn't have a decodor
[03:31] <kylecarey> scott1979: i figured id go with gnome. i think its just as pretty
[03:32] <Scott1979> like booting hosts of game server
[03:32] <tyler_> YES
[03:32] <benjgvps> Can I apt-get some codec pack of some sort?
[03:32] <Scott1979> go pm kyle
[03:32] <dfcnvt> apt-get install wireshark
[03:32] <losha> tyler_: netstat -an should do it. Do you want to run netstat -an and paste the output to http://ubuntu.pastebin.com ?
[03:32] <tyler_> i have tha
[03:32] <CShadowRun> benjgvps: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:32] <tyler_> that
[03:32] <tyler_> but how do u use it
[03:32] <CShadowRun> benjgvps: codecs, flash players, java, fonts, etc :)
[03:32] <losha> !codecs | benjgvps
[03:32] <kylecarey> can i use fdisk to format a hdd?
[03:32] <benjgvps> CShadowRun: Do you know if that will install on a PowerPC? Since it doesn't have Flash I know that
[03:32] <funghoul> benjgvps you need to enable the multiverse repositories
[03:32] <CShadowRun> benjgvps: dunno.
[03:33] <Scott1979> well pm me if u want to know hoe i boot and lagg halo 3
[03:33] <Scott1979> from ubuntu
[03:33] <acovrig> can someone try to join #php and tell me if they can, because if I try, I just get #overflow
[03:34] <losha> kylecarey: no, but you can use gparted, which is much easier....
[03:34] <funghoul> acovrig try ##php
[03:34] <acovrig> funghoul (/join ##php) same thing as (/join #php) as in same output, I join #overflow instead
[03:35] <webbb82> i just got a new laptop and it came with windows 7 , im thinking of installling ubuntu onto my external hard drive and run it that way  what about wubi install would that be a better way than installing on external hd ??
[03:35] <funghoul> I just got into it, I don't know what the problem is, but you could try another client
[03:35] <acovrig> funghoul, ok thanks
[03:36] <benjgvps> webbb82: It should work on an external drive, though Wubi isn't an awful choice for trying it out
[03:36] <riverbird> webbb82, i've heard mostly trouble with wubi.  why not just dual boot?
[03:36] <webbb82> if i go the external hd rout will it act just like a normal hard drive install i can save files and download and it saves?
[03:36] <effendi> webbb82: its about performance, which hard drive is faster.. thats my opinion
[03:37] <dfcnvt> 93 minutes to go
[03:37] <Berzerker> How do I change FireFox's Spell checking language?
[03:37] <Berzerker> It's on en-GB for some reason.
[03:37] <webbb82> i was thinking dual boot but i dunno its a bran new laptop
[03:37] <webbb82> i should just dual boot
[03:37] <Guest61796> hi.. how do i set ubuntu to resume all user running processes after a reboot or power failure?
[03:37] <effendi> even when dual-booting, itll be slower because of where ubuntu is located on your hard drive
[03:38] <effendi> the first OS is always faster
[03:38] <benjgvps> Well the links provided by the bot are useless like always, I could care less about free formats. Is there just a package with the audio codecs?
[03:38] <webbb82> i would just install it and take off windows but it didnt come with a window install cd if i ever want to go back to windows 7
[03:38] <benjgvps> webbb82: It may have a restore partition
[03:38] <webbb82> it does
[03:38] <riverbird> webbb82, what size the new hdd?
[03:38] <effendi> webbb82: sometimes manufacturers leave backup partitions with a bios that allows you to restore it to normal when pressed
[03:38] <webbb82> but would the ubuntu installer remove it when it partitions my hard drive
[03:39] <benjgvps> webbb82: It will
[03:39] <riverbird> webbb82, p
[03:39] <webbb82> so that wouldnt work
[03:39] <trism> benjgvps: ubuntu-restricted-extras has a bunch of codecs (as well as other things), or you could just install the gstreamer bad, ugly, etc packages
[03:39] <toss> hi.. how do i set ubuntu to resume all user running processes after a reboot or power failure? please help
[03:39] <webbb82> i must say windows 7 is really nice
[03:39] <benjgvps> trism: The gstreamer one seems fine. Any links for a list of them?
[03:40] <benjgvps> webbb82: It is, I'm enjoying it :)
[03:40] <riverbird> webbb82, leave 20 GB for windows and put ubuntu on the rest or vice-versa
[03:40] <benjgvps> riverbird: Will 20 GB be enough?
[03:40] <FunnyMan4595> Any idea how I can /quit
[03:40] <FunnyMan4595> Bah.
[03:40] <webbb82> ok so ill eithor dual boot or just install ubuntu onto my external hd and run it that way but what one to pick
[03:40] <FunnyMan4595> Started a question earlier, and forgot about it.
[03:40] <FunnyMan4595> I meant to do this...
[03:41] <riverbird> webbb82, ubuntu will fit on about 4 gb, so depends mostly on your files
[03:41] <trism> benjgvps: they are all of the form gstreamer0.10-plugins- (bad, ugly, bad-multverse, ugly-multiverse...that's pretty much it)
[03:41] <webbb82> im leaning more and more twords dual booting
[03:41] <kcj1993> how do i adjust my laptops display brightness? I have just removed my laptops main keyboard because it was faulty. BTW brightness panel app doesn't work
[03:41] <losha> webbb82: well, start by backing up the restore partition, in case it all goes horribly wrong....
[03:41] <benjgvps> trism: Thanks! I'll look into it
[03:42] <webbb82> now that i have a better computer i can run kde and not have it lag to the point of not useable
[03:42] <jmoney_> ok
[03:42] <webbb82> how do i backup the restore partiton
[03:42] <riverbird> webbb82, how big is the new win7 harddrive?
[03:42] <jmoney_> I got a monitor unknown
[03:42] <jmoney_> everything is all big
[03:42] <psylon> Anyone know the best backup software for ubuntu?
[03:42] <ratonplayer> 4chan , Discuss
[03:42] <trism> benjgvps: the ubuntu-restricted-extras has a few more too, if you don't want everything else, you can just do an apt-cache depends ubuntu-restricted-extras and just install the codecs there (no flash or fonts etc)
[03:43] <webbb82> did you guys know there is kde for windows
[03:43] <usr13> webbb82: A laptop without linux is like a car without tires.
[03:43] <benjgvps> webbb82: What's the point?
[03:43] <benjgvps> usr13: Hurrrr
[03:44] <webbb82> ok ill dual boot
[03:44] <usr13> webbb82: for MS Windows?
[03:44] <benjgvps> The funny thing is, battery life is awful with laptops
[03:44] <benjgvps> With linux
[03:44] <usr13> benjgvps: What?
[03:44] <webbb82> if i ever want to go back to single boot can i add the other partiton to the other
[03:45] <webbb82> or do i have to just install windows all over
[03:45] <benjgvps> usr13: I've heard stuff about the power management not being up to par
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> I find battery life is awful with every os... :) but i  just need the battery rarely
[03:45] <benjgvps> webbb82: You may have to reinstall
[03:45]  * Dr_Willis winds up his laptop.
[03:45] <kcj1993> can someone help?
[03:45] <usr13> webbb82: You can enlarge a partition with non-destructive re-partitioning software, yes.
[03:46] <webbb82> the windows 7 hd is 500 gb
[03:46] <usr13> benjgvps: You heard wrong.
[03:46] <benjgvps> Hmm
[03:46] <benjgvps> Yeah, I find gparted to be the one tool that doesn't hurt my Windows install :)
[03:46] <webbb82> benjgvps:  do u know how to boot from usb in windows
[03:46] <benjgvps> I may
[03:47] <webbb82> o
[03:47] <usr13> benjgvps: Yes, gparted is a non-destructive re-partitioning tool.
[03:47] <benjgvps> Though it isn't specific to windows
[03:47] <karma_police> why does it take so long to copy files to a flash drive in ubuntu?
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> webbb82:  in windows? Huh? i normally set teh bios to boot the usb devices..
[03:47] <webbb82> ya true
[03:47] <Blue1> karma_police: what filesystem do you have on the flash drive?
[03:47] <benjgvps> Usally there is an optioon when you boot that asks to select a boot device
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  i noticed the write speed seeming slow also.. but the read speeds seem faster for my flash drives.. not sure what the deal ios
[03:47] <karma_police> fat32
[03:48] <Blue1> karma_police: fat32 is slow to begin with under linux -
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> Flash drives in general do write slower then they read dont they?
[03:48] <karma_police> read speed is fine. just seems to take forever to write to it
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> karma_police:  you are not being distracted by the windows copying file animations.. so it just seems longer. :)
[03:48] <Blue1> Dr_Willis: yes that has been my experience - when I put ubuntu on the flash drive I used ext2 (no journaling) and set noatim
[03:48] <Blue1> noatime even
[03:48] <karma_police> i am sharing files with my friend and he uses windoze so i have to use fat
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> Well its bed time for me i think. bye all.
[03:49] <Blue1> karma_police: through samba?
[03:49] <karma_police> you may be right dr_wilis... maybe i should find some annoying windows theme music to play.. lol
[03:49] <usr13> Good night Dr_Willis
[03:49] <usr13> Good night all.
[03:49] <karma_police> no...sneakernet... he lives 4 houses down
[03:49] <Blue1> karma_police: ahh yes then fat32 it is...
[03:50] <karma_police> trying to convert him tho... i love ubuntu
[03:50] <Blue1> karma_police: i dunno if you can format it ntfs, whether that would be any faster -- be interesting to find out though
[03:51] <karma_police> i think gparted does ntfs.. i don't know if the write speed would be any faster tho
[03:51] <Blue1> karma_police: nor I -- but I know when I went from a journaled file system to ext2 on the usb drive it really sped up quite a bit
[03:52] <n1xyw> need help to access serial port on server from software on laptop, can it be done?
[03:52] <Blue1> n1xyw: why not use ethernet cable?
[03:52] <n1xyw> ??
[03:52] <karma_police> 9.10 uses ext4 right? with fresh install?
[03:53] <Blue1> n1xyw: serial port is slow...
[03:53] <n1xyw> Im trying to access hardware on the serial port on server, from my laptop
[03:53] <karma_police> his computer is 4 houses down and upstairs.. i am just updating his music files with mine.. helps him and me out.. hehe. he gets free music and i have a back-up solution :)
[03:53] <Blue1> karma_police: yes that's the default
[03:54] <kcj1993> no one can help me then?
[03:54] <Blue1> n1xyw: sorry I haven't used a serial port in over 6 years...
[03:54] <jianan> no 1?
[03:54] <mancos> Hey ubuntu
[03:54] <n1xyw> I guess you could call it serial port forwarding
[03:55] <mancos> Sorry power failure
[03:55] <Blue1> n1xyw: I just ssh where ever I need to --
[03:55] <n1xyw> I use ssh with kermit for simple text
[03:56] <jianan> what`s xhcat?
[03:56] <jianan> xchat
[03:56] <n1xyw> but I need to run software on the laptop that needs access to serial device on server
[03:57] <tvaughn> jianan, irc client
[03:57] <jianan> thanks
[03:57] <jianan> oh,My english
[03:57] <karma_police> dongle
[03:57] <Blue1> n1xyw: i used kermit for many many years...
[03:58] <webbb82> ok im going to dual boot
[03:58] <n1xyw> good old kermit, I guess Im showing my age
[03:58] <kcj1993> hello?
[03:58] <Blue1> howdy kcj1993
[03:58] <karma_police> what os do you have loaded first?
[03:58] <Blue1> n1xyw: indeed!
[03:58] <Blue1> karma_police: windows
[03:58] <ubuntu_> hi I need help partitioning my hard drive ... Does any one how I should go about it ?
[03:58] <webbb82> im running windows 7 rite now
[03:58] <karma_police> same here
[03:58] <kcj1993> how do i adjust my laptops display brightness? I have just removed my laptops main keyboard because it was faulty. BTW brightness panel app doesn't work
[03:59] <ubuntu_> manco ur back !
[03:59] <ganymede> hi, i was using a microsd card in read only-mode on the card reader slot on my laptop but after ejecting it and putting it back in, ubuntu no longer automounted it; said it wasn't a valid vfat partition. in hexdump, starting from byte offset 0x200, it looks like there are 4 or 5 megabytes worth of nothing but 1 bits. does that sound correct for a vfat?
[03:59] <webbb82> and ur dual booting?
[03:59] <manco_> yea
[03:59] <karma_police> i tried dualbooting with ubuntu loaded first and could never get my grub.cfg configured correctly
[03:59] <webbb82> hmm
[03:59] <Blue1> webbb82: when you run the ubuntu installer -- it will ask how big the partition should be -- what it's really asking is how much room do you want to steal from windows for ubuntu - yes I run dual boot mmmVista and Ubuntu
[03:59] <karma_police> loaded windows then ubuntu then did update grub and everything works fine
[04:00] <karma_police> 7 and ubuntu here
[04:00] <froglet> I have a problem that when I start apps, they are maximized, but I only have this problem on one machine, on the other that also runs Jaunty, the windows open to the size they were the previous time.  Is there a way to fix that?  I tried devil's pie but I can't get it working correctly
[04:00] <karma_police> only using windows because i am in tech school and have to take the windows classes
[04:00] <Blue1> :-(
[04:01] <karma_police> i hope 10.04 has a better flash alternative
[04:02] <Super_Handsomas> Hai
[04:02] <froglet> devilspie works sometimes
[04:02] <Super_Handsomas> What're the differences between apt and aptitude?
[04:02] <froglet> sometimes is not good enough  :)
[04:02] <froglet> aptitude is smarter
[04:02] <froglet> works out dependencies better
[04:02] <riverbird> for dual boot, make sure windows is on hdd first, then ubuntu - not the other way
[04:03] <Super_Handsomas> so always use aptitude?
[04:03] <karma_police> windoze eats up grub
[04:03] <froglet> riverbird: that is good advice when installing openSUSE and Ubuntu
[04:03] <froglet> Super: I try to use aptitude all the time
[04:03] <karma_police> my bet is that it in intentional.. linux is a threat to windows and they know it
[04:03] <froglet> sometimes I forget
[04:04] <riverbird> i agree
[04:04] <benjgvps> A threat to Windows? HAHAHAHAHHA
[04:04] <benjgvps> Linux has it's place
[04:04] <riverbird> froglet, sorry, not to you.  w/ suse it shouldn't matter .. eh?
[04:05] <porter1> Anyone have any good articles, commands, or tips about how to trim down and optimizer Xorg? I dcon't need a lot of the functionality included.
[04:05] <Guest7001> karma_police: Or it is an evidence of how sloppy Windows is. Not a threat. :o
[04:05] <Super_Handsomas> benjgvps: Did you not read "An open letter to hobbyists"? Bill Gates himself has always been frightened of OpenSource.
[04:05] <benjgvps> No, I haven't
[04:05] <karma_police> open sores for gates.. haha
[04:05] <froglet> riverbird: I installed Ubuntu and then openSUSE and openSUSE took over
[04:05] <Super_Handsomas> Read that and the Halloween Documents
[04:05] <riverbird> ah, good to know ..
[04:05] <froglet> riverbird: so I reversed the order and everything worked
[04:06] <benjgvps> Though Linux has it's place, It's just not ready for consumer use
[04:06] <benjgvps> Widespread
[04:06] <Super_Handsomas> benjgvps: I disagree whole-heartedly!
[04:06] <karma_police> i agree... its getting there tho
[04:06] <Super_Handsomas> With distros like Mint and Ubuntu - who can't use Linux?
[04:06] <benjgvps> It needs more hardware support
[04:06] <Super_Handsomas> Such as?
[04:06] <karma_police> an absolute point and clicker would be lost with linux
[04:06] <benjgvps> With graphics cards and such
[04:06] <Guest7001> benjgvps: There are no consumers.  It is free. :)
[04:06] <tvaughn> benjgvps, i agree
[04:06] <karma_police> windows is made for dummies
[04:07] <benjgvps> Guest7001: The hardware is purchased
[04:07] <benjgvps> By a consumer
[04:07] <Super_Handsomas> karma_police: I migrated to Windows on day having no idea what a CLI was. Now I can work Linux with the best of them.
[04:07] <tvaughn> windows holds your hand when you dont want it to
[04:07] <riverbird> hardware support is not the issue!  proprietary manufacturers are the problem
[04:07] <benjgvps> That hardware may or may not function
[04:07] <tvaughn> but hides when u need help
[04:07] <Super_Handsomas> benjgvps: I completely disagree
[04:07] <Super_Handsomas> The biggest complaints I see are on wireless cards and they rarely work on the first go anyway
[04:07] <benjgvps> riverbird: Well look at a percentage of Linux users to Windows users, they are doing the economic choice and supporting the most users
[04:07] <Super_Handsomas> riverbird: I concur
[04:08] <Super_Handsomas> benjgvps: Excellent point
[04:08] <Blue1> Super_Handsomas: well said - I had to backport to get the wireless to work reliably on my acer
[04:08] <tvaughn> how do they know who uses what
[04:08] <dfcnvt> you want to reduce the size of xorg?
[04:08] <dfcnvt> http://fluxbuntu.org
[04:08] <guiscard> me disagree too, linux can destroy the piece of shit windows
[04:08] <Super_Handsomas> tvaughn: Like companies, designed to make money, don't run demographics. *rolls eyes*
[04:08] <riverbird> supporting their own money-grubbing.  if linux users are so small, then why not release the drivers?
[04:08] <ardchoille> !ot
[04:08] <karma_police> i'm a linux noob.. been here since 9.04.. i am more familiar with windows yet i like ubuntu better...
[04:08] <benjgvps> riverbird: It takes time and money to release drivers
[04:08] <benjgvps> Which the PC needs more
[04:09] <karma_police> i enjoy the learning experience
[04:09] <riverbird> no it doesn't, just stop hiding them
[04:09] <Blue1> karma_police: my journey through linux:  http://www.pkill-9.com
[04:09] <benjgvps> If my graphics driver crashes when I try to enjoy a nice game of GTA 4 because the company is pouring resources into a minority operating system, I wouldn't be happy
[04:09] <jlc> Can somebody please tell me why mencoder cannot initialize video file?
[04:09] <ardchoille> !ot | benjgvps
[04:10] <benjgvps> Alrighty then
[04:10] <benjgvps> :)
[04:10] <tvaughn> benjgvps, lets go to OT
[04:10] <Super_Handsomas> ardchoille: You're fighting a losing battle. =P
[04:10] <jlc> correction: mencoder- cannot initialize video driver.  Anybody got any ideas?
[04:10] <ardchoille> Super_Handsomas: No I'm not :)
[04:10] <karma_police> i love open source.. i hope some day to be able to give back
[04:10] <Super_Handsomas> Seemed like it for a second! Lol
[04:11] <Super_Handsomas> karma_police: to OT
[04:11] <riverbird> ardchoille, is right.  .. !ot
[04:13] <dfcnvt> !
[04:13] <dfcnvt> !ot
[04:18] <towlieban> hi
[04:18] <jlc> anybody know how to use mencoder to rotate video?
[04:18] <yoshio_221> happy new years!!!
[04:18] <orangey> hello all!
[04:18] <yoshio_221> anyone know how to sync ipod touch 2g with ubuntu?
[04:18] <orangey> is there a way to sync SynML over bluetooth in ubuntu?
[04:19] <towlieban> im running ubuntu in a vm (virtualbox) but when i go to settings->display the max resolution i can choose is 1024x768 but i know that the max resolution supported is higher. how do i fix this ?
[04:19] <Guest7001> !ipod | yoshio_221
[04:20] <webbb82> im a little confued i just burned a kubuntu install cd and when i get to the partition setup part of the install the  check box for install the side by side isnt there, only earase the harddrive and install kubuntu or advanced manual partition   why would the option to install them side by side
[04:21] <brando753> guys how would I burn an iso image to multiple Dvd Burners
[04:22] <adarsha> hello there!!!
[04:22] <towlieban> im running ubuntu in a vm (virtualbox) but when i go to settings->display the max resolution i can choose is 1024x768 but i know that the max resolution supported is higher. how do i fix this ?
[04:23] <ctmjr> jlc  rotate it is found in mplayer docs man mplayer then /rotate
[04:25] <ratonplayer> 4chan ! /b/ powaa!
[04:25] <ubuntu_> hi can someone help me install ubuntu ? I already partitioned my hard drive is there something else I should do ?
[04:26] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: Unless you have special needs, the installer can do the partitioning for you
[04:26] <d9500> towlieban, have you installed the guest additions?
[04:26] <ubuntu_> ardchoille I tried it b4 and only a blank screen would come up http://i49.tinypic.com/aujokh.jpg
[04:27] <Guest64973> i was wondering if anyone had tips on how to speed up graphics in karmic
[04:27] <ardchoille> ubuntu_: Oh, yes, I remember
[04:27] <Guest64973> i have an intel chipset on karmic
[04:27] <Guest64973> i have ample ram, I was wondering if anyone knew how to increase the ram the graphics chipset could access
[04:28] <ubuntu_> ok so I partitoned it is there something extra I should do ? 540 = linux-swap and 36.74 as ext 3
[04:28] <ctmjr> !intel | Guest64973
[04:28] <riverbird> !usb
[04:29] <unop> Guest64973, this would be a function of your BIOS, something like AGP aperture size
[04:29] <philabole> any one who can chat with me about some ubuntu issues?
[04:29] <ardchoille> !ask | philabole
[04:30] <ubuntu_> can some one plz help me install ubuntu on my computer plz
[04:30] <philabole> sorry i am having some issues with a new install of ubuntu 9.04 anyone care to chat privately as i may need a good bit of help
[04:30] <qt-x> towlieban you have to install aditional softwar in ubuntu that come with virtual box
[04:30] <roadcrap> ello
[04:30] <towlieban> i did
[04:30] <towlieban> i reinstalled it and now the graphics are really glitchy
[04:31] <towlieban> and i cant see anything
[04:31] <towlieban> except gray bars
[04:31] <ardchoille> philabole: It's better to keep it in this channel as others may learn from it, unless of course it's off-topic
[04:31] <ubuntu_> o yes me too philabole invite me to your chat yes ?
[04:31] <qt-x> and the resolution dosen't automaticli adjust to windows size ?
[04:31] <sfalanga> I'm trying to decode an .mp4 file into .dv using ffmpeg any suggestions?
[04:31] <towlieban> no
[04:31] <philabole> sure
[04:31] <ctmjr> ubuntu_: what do you need help with what step?
[04:31] <philabole>  my mouse quit working why would that be
[04:31] <D3RGPS31> anyone with wine's ppa repo have an issue with installing/upgrading wine
[04:32] <ubuntu_> ctmjr I partioned my hard drive to install ubuntu bc it wouldnt do it only a bvlank screen would appear
[04:33] <philabole> No takers on the mouse issue huh?
[04:33] <Guest64973> unop: thanks, I'll take a look
[04:33] <qt-x> towlieban: try ask on #vbox
[04:34] <Guest64973> and thanks ubottu! lol
[04:34] <ctmjr> ubuntu_: reboot to the installer press f4 then choose safe graphics mode then install to the partition you want
[04:34] <ljamisonii> philabole: what do you define as 'stopped working'?
[04:34] <sfalanga> any ideas how to decode an .mp4 file into it's digital video and audio tracks?
[04:35] <ubuntu_> ctmjr
[04:35] <Moonwalker> Please save MySQL
[04:35] <ubuntu_> ok
[04:35] <Moonwalker> http://www.helpmysql.org/en/petition
[04:36] <DrManhattan> what wrong with mysql
[04:36] <ctmjr> DrManhattan: everything
[04:36] <Moonwalker> It will not be opensource if it belongs to Oracle
[04:37] <DrManhattan> dude - petittion yourself retarded, you can't tell people what to do with their own products
[04:37] <philabole> ljamisonii: it was working fine after install but all of a sudden it is stuck in the middle of the screen and any of the 3 mice i plug in won't respond
[04:37] <lstarnes> Moonwalker: I don't know where you heard that, but that is absolutely not correct
[04:37] <DrManhattan> it was nice of sun to give it away for a while but it isnt like you can force them
[04:37] <lstarnes> Moonwalker: the GPL can't be revoked as far as I am aware
[04:37] <perlsyntax> hi
[04:38] <ljamisonii> philabole: have you tried keeping the mouse you've used plugged in and log out/back in or reboot?
[04:38] <Moonwalker> Please refer to the petition
[04:38] <iqbala> anyone can suggest a VCD to iPhone converter ?
[04:38] <two> is there a channel for help with screenlets
[04:38] <philabole> ljamisonii: unfortunately i have several times
[04:38] <brando753> guys how would I burn an iso image to multiple Dvd Burners
[04:38] <ardchoille> iqbala: http://handbrake.fr
[04:38] <kollektiv> im in fdisk and when i type 'p' it says Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. is there any way i can fix this?
[04:39] <ljamisonii> philabole: have you tried removing the application that you installed before it stopped working?
[04:39] <Dravekx> how do i search for an app?
[04:39] <philabole> ljamisonii: i diddn't install any thing prior to
[04:40] <ubuntu_> can someone explain to me why this : http://i48.tinypic.com/noeutc.jpg happens everytime I try to install ubuntu ?
[04:40] <ctmjr> Dravekx: aptitude search package name
[04:40] <Dravekx> thanks
[04:40] <ardchoille> Dravekx: in the package manager?
[04:41] <ljamisonii> philabole: so it was a fresh install?
[04:41] <qt-x> ubuntu_ do you every time open first gparted ?
[04:42] <ubuntu_> no
[04:42] <ubuntu_> qt-x no
[04:42] <Gaming4JC> Hey all, do you know which logs can tell me what files have been recently deleted/moved? I have a client that lost a lot of important information and has no idea what they did.
[04:43] <qt-x> i think that is the problem: no 2 app can have write access to hdd in the same time
[04:43] <iqbala> ardchoille: hadbrake is not working.. i source the /dev/sr0 but the start option is grayed out
[04:43] <philabole> ljamisonii: i have been using one windows machine and the ubuntu (the fresh install) switching the mouse and keyboard back and forth so i could troubleshoot my issue of not being able to get on the net....and be damned when i figure it out the mouse is dead
[04:43] <ubuntu_> qt-x ok Ill close it and tell u what happens
[04:44]  * Gaming4JC continues to look over log files...