[12:00] <Juerd_> ogra: I have a local proxy. The line itself isn't bad either, though.
[12:00] <CraHan> oh
[12:00] <CraHan> /dev/sg0 works too
[12:00] <Juerd_> ogra: squid serves me well and transparently.
[12:00] <CraHan> why the heck does it recognize the cd as sr0 then... weird
[12:00] <s7s> How can i install this theme: http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/green_heart/
[12:00] <lamont_r> knewt: if it was me (debian developer and all that), I'd be tempted to just apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop after doing a backup
[12:00] <Scognito> hllo..
[12:01] <Juerd_> I will be seeing you again after I tried install and boot into Ubuntu
[12:01] <knewt> lamont_r: this is on a server, not a desktop. and is uml-based, so is 2.4 only
[12:01] <xskoulax> ahhh well i haven't time to play with the lappy to figure it out, need to fire up oo.o and get on with my brothers homework :(
[12:01] <lamont_r> of course, the last time I did that, I did the back up afterwards by booting from CD and pushing bits to another computer before I flatlined it.  But that was back in the sounder 3 timeframe...
[12:01] <Juerd_> (does it have a terminal with ssh available during installation, yet? That would *so* increase "productivity" (the ability to use IRC).
[12:01] <Juerd_> *gone*
[12:01] <Juerd_> hm
[12:01] <Juerd_> )
[12:01] <__daniel> how do i get /dev/sequencer? is it some legacy thing?
[12:02] <mdz> Juerd_: not until the base system is installed
[12:02] <knewt> lamont_r: well, 2.6 is available for uml, but not where i am, and isn't as well tested as 2.4 anyway
[12:02] <mdz> __daniel: it's the midi device
[12:02] <__daniel> mdz, i know, but i only get /dev/snd/seq after modprobing snd-midi-seq
[12:02] <mdz> __daniel: modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:03] <__daniel> mdz: whooha!
[12:03] <__daniel> mdz, THANKS
[12:04] <__daniel> mdz, but playmidi still says: no playback device
[12:04] <__daniel> hmmmm
[12:05] <tolstoy> folks, what's the simplist way to get a list of installed packages?
[12:05] <ijuz> dpkg -l
[12:05] <tolstoy> on an rpm based distro, rpm -qa works.
[12:06] <tolstoy> Ah, thanks.
[12:06] <ogra> tolle: dpkg -l | less
[12:06] <ogra> oops
[12:06] <tolstoy> ijuz, there are so many different commands: aptitude, apt, apt-cache, apt-get, dpkg, etc.
[12:06] <gma> remember MyKq3's high CPU load? we've been chatting about it and the strange thing is he was 0% idle, 97% user, and the highest ranking process in top was X with 10% (caused by running top). could it be a rootkit job?
[12:06] <__daniel> tolstoy, if you use synaptic, you don't need any of the others :-)
[12:06] <ijuz> tolstoy: in the end they are all using dpkg
[12:07] <ogra> gma: how should that get in ?
[12:07] <tolstoy> __daniel, thanks.  Yeah, synaptic is better for exploration. I like the command line for certain things.
[12:07] <gma> ogra, beats me. I just can't think of any other explanation for the high CPU.
[12:07] <__daniel> tolstoy, de rien :-)
[12:07] <tolstoy> BTW, I wish ubuntu has something along the lines of red-carpet or that little redhat icon just for alerts.
[12:08] <knewt> (fast links)++ # Fetched 61.5MB in 22s (2684kB/s)
[12:08] <gma> (which probably means there's a perfectly reasonable explanation and I just can't think of it)
[12:08] <ogra> gma: me neither.... :(
[12:08] <gma> tolstoy, I know it's no alert, but you can get synaptic to just show you the things that need upgrading
[12:09] <gma> ogra, bummer. he's rebooting.
[12:09] <ogra> gma: so lets see if it comes back
[12:09] <gma> yeah
[12:10] <topyli> tolstoy: you join the security list for that
[12:11] <mindphasr> How would I go about getting a kernel with HPT374 support so I can install and boot?
[12:14] <tolstoy> topyli, are you saying we don't have that because it's a security risk?
[12:14] <ogra> mindphasr: would a hpt366 driver work ? this one is in the default modules
[12:14] <mindphasr> It is?
[12:14] <tolstoy> topyli, by which I mean the "there are updates" icon?
[12:14] <mindphasr> Well, I dont think that will work..
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <knewt> hmm, don't know about HTP374 but i know with debian i used to be able to install on my HTP372 system, as long as i turned off dma probing at boot until i could create a custom patched kernel.
[12:15] <mindphasr> the drivers are in 2.6 kernels..but none of the ones on the disk..
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.ko
[12:15] <ogra> mindphasr: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/hpt366.k
[12:15] <ogra> argh
[12:15] <mindphasr> heh
[12:15] <mindphasr> knewt: How do I turn off DMA probing?
[12:15] <ogra> need a new keyboard in my old lappie
[12:16] <mindphasr> I can make the custom kernel..Just cant get in to do so.. heh
[12:16] <topyli> tolstoy: i mean the "you have mail" icon :)
[12:16] <topyli> not the same thing, i know :)
[12:19] <MyKq5> Gma dude?
[12:19] <knewt> mindphasr: try ideX=noautotune, replacing X with the appropriate number. eg, i used ide2=noautotune ide3=noautotune, since ide0 and ide1 were my main controller
[12:20] <gma> MyKq5, hi
[12:20] <mindphasr> okay..will do
[12:20] <gma> any joy?
[12:21] <mindphasr> There are no ide drives though
[12:22] <gma> MyKq5, what's your CPU load?
[12:24] <jgeorgeson> i've run 'sudo k3bsetup' to enable a burn group and used 2 different groups, both of which I am a member, and k3b still shows no writer
[12:25] <asubedi> jgeorgeson: why not use nautilus' cd creator; it's so much simpler
[12:26] <Serenity^> heh, I cant stand either
[12:26] <klein> my laptop is booting (from off) when the lid switch is depressed (i.e. when the screen is shut)...anyone had this problem?
[12:27] <Serenity^> well so far I have to admit that of all things debian related, ubuntu is the only one that I feel I could live with
[12:27] <theantix> klein: I have had that problem too (with fedora) and I turned that setting off in the bios
[12:27] <Solkaris> asubedi because the nautilus cd creator sucks compared to k3b?
[12:28] <jgeorgeson> asubedi: vcd
[12:29] <asubedi> Solkaris: if you just want to put some files, k3b seems utterly useless; i don't know in case of vcd
[12:30] <klein> theantix: hmm.  i'll check the bios, but i don't recall seeing any option like that.  any other ideas you came across?
[12:30] <jgeorgeson> Solkaris: I'd rather use the nautilus interface to burn an iso i already have, or just to make a data cd of some random set of files, but k3b is much nicer for doing audio cd, video cd, dvd, etc (i don't think nautilus interface even does any of those)
[12:31] <jgeorgeson> anyway, i should be able to use the writer not running as root in k3b
[12:31] <theantix> klein: I tried disabling apm, but that didn't affect my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 2450) -- maybe it will on yours -- the only thing that helped me was the BIOS setting
[12:31] <klein> theantix: hmm.  this is a fujitsu p2120, so no apm anyway.  i'll fiddle with any acpi settings i find
[12:32] <theantix> klein: you might want to try with acpi completely off then -- but recheck the bios anyhow just in case :-)
[12:33] <klein> theantix: maybe i'll check in the kernel, disable anything to do with the lid?
[12:33] <Solkaris> jgeorgeson aye .. it doesnt so if you need a real cd burner you need k3b .. which is why I said to asubedi that comparing the two .. nautilus cd creation software sucks in compared to k3b. Believe me I wish there was a Gnome based burner that was as nice as K3B because I HATE installing KDE and QT libraries to just to get a full function burner suite
[12:33] <razorblade2000> hi
[12:34] <Despair> k3b whinges about lack of cdrdao here. which isn't in the amd64 universe
[12:34] <theantix> klein: it didn't mention the lid specifically, I just turned off the auto-off settings
[12:34] <razorblade2000> just installed ubuntu... looks reeeeeeeally nice so far :D But there is one problem: sudo doesn't work for me :(
[12:34] <klein> theantix: sadly, i've got nothing like that
[12:34] <razorblade2000> asks for a password :(
[12:34] <Despair> razorblade2000: sudo uses user password
[12:34] <Solkaris> so enter your password
[12:34] <ogra> razorblade2000: so give it yours ;)
[12:35] <razorblade2000> cool :D
[12:35] <razorblade2000> thank you!
[12:35] <Solkaris> bbl
[12:35] <Serenity^> I just created a reg root password, sudo seems awkward
[12:35] <razorblade2000> *g*
[12:36] <Serenity^> specially when an app wants the "root" password to run, heh
[12:36] <ogra> Serenity^: its actually safer
[12:36] <ogra> Serenity^: sudo i mean
[12:37] <Serenity^> I guess, but su is easier to me, heh
[12:38] <gma> the only thing I've found so far that needs a real root password is the cups admin interface, but that's disabled for security reasons anyway
[12:41] <Phr0stByte> What? Someone didn't like the naked people?
[12:41] <razorblade2000> Is ubuntu sarge sid or woody?
[12:41] <swim> hi
[12:41] <Serenity^> I didn't, heh
[12:41] <swim> no xorg for ubuntu?
[12:41] <gma> razorblade2000, sid was forked/frozen a while back
[12:41] <Serenity^> not yet no
[12:41] <razorblade2000> swim: xorg for debian = xorg for ubuntu
[12:41] <ogra> swim: in six months
[12:41] <gma> swim, not til next release
[12:42] <razorblade2000> :D
[12:42] <Serenity^> 6 months? based on debian progress I'd say more like 6 yrs
[12:42] <razorblade2000> so I should add sarge repositories :-?
[12:42] <swim> oh no xorg for debian either?
[12:42] <gma> razorblade2000, not unless you really want to
[12:42] <Serenity^> no
[12:42] <razorblade2000> I do :D
[12:42] <gma> if you really want to do it, but it's not recommended/supported
[12:42] <razorblade2000> it's just mplayer anyway
[12:43] <gma> do it while you've not got any important data, then if you bork it you can re-install
[12:43] <swim> Serenity^, was that no to me?
[12:43] <Serenity^> yup
[12:43] <Swankyguy> im am so frustrated
[12:43] <gma> Swankyguy, this is not a pron channel
[12:43] <Serenity^> take a cold shower then
[12:43] <Swankyguy> is there anyway to enable vpc 2004 sound?
[12:44] <swim> would compiling be difficult?
[12:44] <Swankyguy> I tried : modules.conf
[12:44] <Swankyguy> alias sound-slot-0 sb
[12:44] <Swankyguy> post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
[12:44] <Swankyguy> pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options sound dmabuf=1
[12:44] <Swankyguy> alias synth0 opl3
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options opl3 io=0x388
[12:44] <Swankyguy> options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330
[12:44] <Swankyguy> didnt work
[12:44] <mdz> swim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/x.org
[12:44] <swim> xorg
[12:44] <Swankyguy> as well as trying to install sndconfig... didnt work
[12:45] <Serenity^> if I want xorg I'll just go back to arch, xorg,udev,gcc3.4,etc   really neat, small & fast
[12:45] <mdz> Swankyguy: modules.conf is for 2.4 kernels
[12:45] <Swankyguy> any ideas mdz?
[12:45] <mdz> Swankyguy: create a file in /etc/modprobe.d, according to the syntax in the modprobe.conf man page
[12:46] <ogra> Serenity^: you don't belive in the 6 month releasecycle of ubuntu ?
[12:46] <Swankyguy> umm.. I need a bit of hand holding there mdz
[12:46] <razorblade2000> strange... ryhmbox crashes on my when selection web radios...
[12:46] <mdz> Swankyguy: I'm sorry, I can't get into step-by-step instructions at this time. perhaps someone else can help
[12:47] <Serenity^> ogra, I'll believe it when I see it
[12:47] <ogra> Serenity^: look at gnome.... ;) jeff waugh is ubuntu release manager.... so it must work .... btw kudos jdub
[12:48] <Serenity^> gnome is ok if yer into big bloated stuff like that, I prefer my xfce4
[12:49] <jdub> ogra: :)
[12:49] <ogra> Serenity^: it matches its release plans !
[12:50] <Serenity^> well, it's still so early I withhold judgement, heh
[12:50] <Swankyguy> ok Im in /etc/modprobe.d/isapnp
[12:50] <jdub> Serenity^: check gnome's releases since the 2.0->2.2 process.
[12:50] <stratus> i want my ubuntu cd's at home. :(
[12:51] <mirak_> serenity, you too!
[12:56] <Swankyguy> anyone else here feel like helping with vpc?
[12:56] <gma> Swankyguy, sorry, don't know anything about it
[12:57] <ogra> Swankyguy: Virtual PC ?
[12:58] <Swankyguy> yar
[12:58] <Swankyguy> beating my brains out trying to get the sound working
[12:58] <Swankyguy> modprobe something?
[12:58] <ogra> Swankyguy: there was a thread in the ubuntu devel list.....
[12:59] <Swankyguy> link?
[12:59] <ogra> Swankyguy: just lookked was all about grephics
[01:00] <ogra> graphics
[01:00] <ogra> Swankyguy: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
[01:00] <Witigonen> I'm thinking I might switch from Fedora 2 to Ubuntu, anybody want to convince me of this?
[01:01] <jdub> nah, you'll figure out which one you want
[01:01] <ogra> Witigonen: if you had seen it already there'd be no need :))
[01:01] <Witigonen> ogra: I'm downloading the install iso right now, so...
[01:02] <ogra> Witigonen: try it, i'm sure you'll stay *g*
[01:03] <Witigonen> I come from a RedHat background, though.  But that background is about a month, so it's not exactly, you know, good.
[01:04] <Witigonen> How is Ubuntu with regards to eye candy?
[01:04] <ogra> Witigonen: it's gnome....
[01:04] <mdz> Witigonen: we've just gotten our first stable release out the door today; eye candy will be a hot topic for our second release in April
[01:04] <LeeColleton> I'm trying to install on a Toshiba laptop and I keep getting an error on "Loading /install/initrd.gz"  isolinux: Disc error 0C, AX = 4200, drive E0
[01:04] <Witigonen> mdz: Thanks.
[01:04] <mdz> LeeColleton: try burning the CD at a slower speed
[01:04] <ogra> mdz: cmon... it's already beautiful
[01:04] <mdz> ogra: you haven't seen anything yet :-)
[01:04] <razorblade2000> mhhhh... according to the CPU frequency scaling applet, my CPU Speed is somewhere between 0 MhZ, 134,72 GhZ and 1083 GhZ
[01:05] <razorblade2000> now that's overclockingdeluxe :D
[01:05] <mdz> razorblade2000: what kind of CPU?
[01:05] <razorblade2000> athlon xp mobile :D
[01:05] <razorblade2000> 2500+
[01:05] <mdz> razorblade2000: modprobe powernow-k7
[01:05] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[01:05] <razorblade2000> ohhh... works :D
[01:06] <Swankyguy> need more help
[01:06] <Witigonen> mdz: Has the stable release you just mentioned hit the mirrors yet or should I wait a day or two before downloading/installing?
[01:06] <Swankyguy> can anyone hold my hand to install vpc sound?
[01:07] <Dethread> Witigon, just download now and then do a apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:07] <mdz> Witigonen: I'm not sure; check your local mirror and see if the files are there
[01:07] <mdz> Witigonen: you can always use the torrent
[01:08] <Witigonen> mdz: I just grabbed whatever one off of ubuntulinux.org/download/ .
[01:08] <Witigonen> Dethread: thanks.
[01:08] <meff> any estimate when the unstable tree will start going?
[01:08] <mdz> Witigonen: that one lists the primary archive server, which has the release already
[01:09] <Witigonen> mdz: Thanks.
[01:09] <mdz> meff: give us a few days to breathe :-)
[01:09] <meff> mdz: no prob just wondering :)
[01:10] <razorblade2000> hmmm... where do I have to insert the modprobe command to load it at startup automatically?
[01:10] <speel> hey is there a gui program out there where you can disable what ever services you want or enable them?
[01:10] <shorty> hi!
[01:10] <razorblade2000> and another question: does someone know if CPUFreq also does reduce cpu voltage?
[01:11] <razorblade2000> core voltage
[01:11] <shorty> where can i find the gstreamer-lame plugin for sound-juicer?
[01:11] <Juerd_> ogra: Raid was preserved this time :) Thanks for crossing your fingers
[01:13] <Witigonen> The release in April is going to include Xorg instead of Xfree if I understood you correctly then, mdz?
[01:13] <ogra> Swankyguy: i have no clue, but you'll need a module called  snd-sb16 i guess
[01:13] <ogra> Juerd_: great :)
[01:13] <Juerd_> Good Things: raid was preserved; grub installed; soundcard was detected; nice sounds
[01:14] <swim> how do I log out of X but not into gdm (to console)
[01:14] <Swankyguy> where? do I get the modules?
[01:14] <Juerd_> Bad Things: partition table on hdc not recognised (clone of hda, so wth?); wacom still doesn't work; keyboard layout still not set in X; login screen gives no way of picking another keyboard layout; installation takes very long (why copy to hd first and then dpkg, and what's with all the python packages that take so long?)
[01:14] <ogra> Swankyguy: run: sudo modprobe snd-sb16
[01:14] <shorty> my sound-juicer don't support mp3! what's the matter?
[01:14] <ogra> Swankyguy: give it your userpassword
[01:14] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: You got a Waconm drawing tablet?
[01:14] <Juerd_> Conclusion: this time, Ubuntu was better than the last time I tried (October, 5th), but it's still by no means up to my standards
[01:15] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Yes, a Wacom Graphire I
[01:15] <swim> anyone please?
[01:15] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Which works with kernels <= 2.6.6, but not with > 2.6.6
[01:15] <Swankyguy> ogra: I did the modprobe, now what?
[01:15] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: I got a USB Graphire3 I have never gotten to work under any distro
[01:16] <ogra> swim: ctrl-alt-f1
[01:16] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Funny. I have a I and a II and they both work *perfectly* (as a pointing device) with kernels <= 2.6.6
[01:16] <ogra> Swankyguy: play a sound ?
[01:16] <Swankyguy> the sound slider still isnt working
[01:16] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: I have a friend who got the pressure thingy working, but I never bothered because I have it solely as a pointing device
[01:16] <razorblade2000> for me: ubuntu installed perfectly, keyboard layout was set fine, nice sounds, nice look
[01:16] <Juerd_> Which of my "Bad Things" should I *not* report as a bug?
[01:16] <ogra> Swankyguy: so the same command with snd-sb16-dsp
[01:16] <fish> what does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?
[01:16] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: So its the kernel thats the issue?
[01:16] <razorblade2000> con: the powernow issue + my wifi card won't work with kismet "out of the box"
[01:16] <razorblade2000> :D
[01:18] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: Yes, but I will not report the bug there. Either it's with Ubuntu, or it's not at all :)
[01:18] <swim> ogra I need to stop gdm though as well...
[01:18] <Juerd_> The Wacom Graphire is recognised, by the way. It's the module that hasn't worked well since 2.6.7
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> Juerd_: Its not an Ubuntu issue - believe me
[01:18] <LinuxJones> Ok I set Option "Emulate3Button"  "no" in my XF86Config-4 file yesterday. It is still doing 3 button emulatiion...wth ?
[01:18] <Juerd_> Phr0stByte: I understand that
[01:18] <ogra> swim: log in at the console and run: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:18] <swim> k thx
[01:18] <Juerd_> But as an end-user, I might not have known that
[01:18] <fish> what does ubuntu use for hardware detection? knoppix?
[01:18] <Juerd_> I thought that perhaps Ubuntu accepted bug reports for all Ubuntu-packaged software.
[01:18] <ogra> fish: the system-> hotplug, the installer->discover
[01:19] <fish> ogra, never heard of discover
[01:19] <fish> that new?
[01:19] <ogra> fish: no, pretty old :)
[01:19] <Swankyguy> ogra: I must not have the modules cause nothign is happening. where do I get the modules?
[01:19] <Juerd_> I guess "installation takes very long" isn't a bug either
[01:20] <fish> hmm, ok
[01:20] <ogra> Swankyguy: did you se a errormessage after the modprobe command ?
[01:20] <Swankyguy> no
[01:20] <ogra> Swankyguy: try: lsmod
[01:20] <Juerd_> So far, thanks for your support in my short adventure
[01:21] <Juerd_> Good night
[01:21] <ogra> Juerd_: night
[01:21] <fish> ogra, if I wanted to set up a mythtv box with a capture card, and soundblaster etc do you think discover would handle that?
[01:21] <ijuz> how many zillion iso's are allready downloaded? :)
[01:21] <ogra> fish: never tried that :)
[01:22] <Swankyguy> eek
[01:22] <Swankyguy> what?
[01:22] <Swankyguy> n00b <---
[01:22] <fish> right well im going to google for some info peace all
[01:22] <Swankyguy> lsmod ?
[01:23] <riley> i have the warty release on cd.  when i boot the cd, it will only let me install, and i am given no option to upgrade my current preview version. how would i go about upgrading?
[01:23] <ogra> Swankyguy: what did you see ?
[01:23] <__daniel> riley, use synaptic to upgrade
[01:23] <Swankyguy> I typed in lsmod
[01:23] <__daniel> riley, won't need a cd
[01:23] <riley> __daniel, oh, thanks
[01:24] <Swankyguy> it shows the expected modules running
[01:24] <Swankyguy> but still no sound
[01:24] <Swankyguy> is there a way to manually configure it?
[01:24] <razorblade2000> hi, I've got 2 network interfaces: eth0 is my laptops lanchip which works fine... eth1 seems to be my prism54 compatible pcmcia wlan card. ifconfig doesn't show eth1, iwconfig does. How do I activeate my wlan card (ifup eth1 didn't work)?
[01:24] <__daniel> riley, that's the good thing about debian/ubuntu
[01:24] <andril> hello all - Ubuntu - Final  Free!!!!!!
[01:24] <ogra> riley:  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[01:25] <ogra> Swankyguy: can you start the volume-control (right click on the speaker applet)
[01:26] <riley> __daniel and ogra, thanks
[01:26] <andril> Swankyguy: what type of sound card do you have?
[01:26] <Witigonen> Time to burn the ISO and install, talk to you all later, thanks.
[01:27] <Swankyguy> ogra: yes
[01:27] <ogra> andril: a M$ virtual pc 2004 sb16 emu
[01:27] <Swankyguy> andril: sb16 isa pnp in vpc 2004 emu
[01:27] <ogra> Swankyguy: anything muted ?
[01:29] <andril> ahh Virtual PC fun - did you do the SP1 upgrade?
[01:29] <fishingforaworki> I just checked the discover info on progency's website, I wonder if they are being sponsored from Ubunut?
[01:30] <fishingforaworki> Ubuntu
[01:30] <andril> I had issues at first then I did the upgrade - now it works - but not on my main Ubuntu PC
[01:30] <Swankyguy> ogra: I unmuted/unlocked everything
[01:30] <Swankyguy> I then maxxed all volume
[01:30] <Swankyguy> the slider is still moving to the bottom if I try to move it
[01:31] <Swankyguy> andril: yes to the upgrade
[01:32] <andril> Swankygy: sorry then - maybe these guru's can help - they are very helpful :)
[01:32] <jdub> fishingforaworki: Ubuntu only uses discover briefly during install
[01:33] <Swankyguy> yah Im shocked to hear you got it working at all andril
[01:33] <fishingforaworki> hi jdub, im artist formerly known as Ashley or fish lOL
[01:33] <Swankyguy> Im never had vpc sound work on any linux
[01:33] <Swankyguy> vmware works though
[01:33] <doogie> ashley's a cute name.
[01:34] <ogra> Swank:what says: lsmod|grep snd_mixer
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> i was chatting with you yesterday,
[01:34] <doogie> so's geneva, and no, that does *not* mean I have the hots for my niece. :|
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> doogie, down boy, im a Mab
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> Man
[01:34] <Swankyguy> ogra: just crashed my music player..hadda force quit it
[01:34] <doogie> fishingforaworki: who's to say I don't swing that way?
[01:34] <fishingforaworki> ashley, well I dont play for that team
[01:34] <doogie> who's to say *I* do?
[01:35] <fishingforaworki> not me
[01:35] <Swankyguy> ogra: snd_mixer_oss
[01:35] <Swankyguy> ogra: snd
[01:36] <ogra> Swank:and: lsmod|grep snd_pcm
[01:36] <fishingforaworki> my sister's boyfriend wants me to install xp on his hardisks without the computer,
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_pcm_oss
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_mixer_oss
[01:36] <Swankyguy> snd_pcm
[01:36] <fishingforaworki> basically just plug it in mine, and then unplug and give it to him
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd_page_alloc
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd_timer
[01:37] <Swankyguy> snd
[01:37] <ogra> Swankyguy: should work....
[01:37] <Swankyguy> ogra: nada :-(
[01:37] <fishingforaworki> not going to work i dont think what you think boy's
[01:38] <ogra> fishingforaworki: what's a worki ? (i'm german)
[01:38] <fishingforaworki> i couldn't use my nick so I put fishingforaworkingdistro
[01:38] <ogra> ahh
[01:39] <ogra> fishingforaworki: thought of some strange slang
[01:39] <fishingforaworki> ogra, oh yeah whats that?
[01:41] <jayeola> fishingforafishcalledwanda
[01:41] <plasmo> i thought it was wooki like chewbacca from starwars ;)
[01:41] <fishingforaworki> lol
[01:41] <NewComer> is the ubuntu logo a symbol of 3 people holding hands in a circle, a top view of them?
[01:41] <ogra> Swankyguy: so i'm at the end... no ideas anymore....
[01:41] <jayeola> uh-huh
[01:42] <Swankyguy> ogra: I think the issue is that /etc/isapnp.conf is empty
[01:42] <Swankyguy> any ideas on what to put there?
[01:42] <mario> why???!!! why Ubuntu final not include p0rn backgrounds and splash screens :'(
[01:42] <fishingforaworki> Im showing my chap ubuntu
[01:42] <Swankyguy> I cant seem to use pnpdunp
[01:42] <Swankyguy> dump
[01:42] <fishingforaworki> im trying to get him to use linux,
[01:42] <ogra> Swankyguy: you shouldn't need
[01:43] <TheMuso> mario: Many people didn't like it for the default install, and there was a meeting to discuss this. There was a unanimous vote to remove the artwork from the defaults, but it is still available.
[01:43] <fishingforaworki> he doesn't like it because not much software is supported
[01:43] <fishingforaworki> he likes to play in KDE on slackware mind you
[01:43] <plasmo> i just leave windows in dual boot for gaming
[01:44] <DoppleGanger> fishingforaworki: you insulting slackware
[01:44] <Swankyguy> ogra: aye but my sound should be working
[01:44] <speel> hey i need some help im trying to install a game and when i ./configure i get this configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[01:44] <speel> any ideas?
[01:44] <ogra> Swankyguy: should.....
[01:44] <fishingforaworki> I use to, but I only play one game, its not worth using a pirate for one game blah!
[01:44] <mario> TheMuso, but images are availables in any site?
[01:44] <ogra> Swankyguy: is this probably a sb8 emu ?
[01:44] <fishingforaworki> DoppleGanger, why?
[01:44] <DoppleGanger> just curious where the anger was coming from
[01:45] <speel> help any one ;(
[01:45] <jharrison> anger?
[01:45] <fishingforaworki> DoppleGanger, im complimenting if anything
[01:45] <Swankyguy> id give it a try ogra
[01:45] <Swankyguy> what command?
[01:45] <DoppleGanger> uhuh
[01:45] <jharrison> fishing for a work i?
[01:45] <speel> configure: error: No OpenGL library could be found.
[01:45] <speel>  help any one?
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> speel: install the library
[01:46] <Swankyguy> ogra : http://sxs.thexdershome.com/housekeeping/pnpstart.html
[01:46] <labauer> I'm working with the live cd and can't get printing to work for an hpjetdirect or windows printer. . .it does under knoppix.  Anyone here with printing troubleshooting experience?
[01:46] <meff> on using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it?
[01:46] <jharrison> speel: what graphics card do you have?
[01:46] <speel> but from where lol , nvidia geforce 4
[01:46] <jharrison> labauer: is it using cups?
[01:46] <ogra> Swankyguy: same as before but sb8 instead sb16 (use the up key)
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> labauer: start cups and install teh printer using the cups interface
[01:46] <speel> i installed my gfx card tho
[01:46] <speel> bah i mean the drivers for it
[01:46] <jharrison> speel: im an ati dude
[01:46] <DoppleGanger> <IP_ADDRESS>:631
[01:47] <jharrison> speel: you got to install the drivers though
[01:47] <speel> yea did that games play fine for me but when i try to ./configure this one it craps out
[01:47] <ogra> Swankyguy: TESTED ON: Redhat 5.2, 6.0 and 6.1. Caldera 2.2 and 2.3 hmm, pretty old
[01:47] <fishingforaworki> fishingforaworkingdistro
[01:47] <DoppleGanger> coughs apt
[01:47] <labauer> jharrison and DoppleGanger:  I used the printer app under gnome. . . is it broken?  Under the web interface for CUPS, the printers do show up, just no printing.
[01:48] <DoppleGanger> what are you trying to print
[01:48] <razorblade2000> "sudo apt-get install koules" WORKS!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
[01:48] <labauer> DG:  test page under the gnome printing app
[01:48] <DoppleGanger> and are you sure those printers can print did you try the test print
[01:48] <Swankyguy> ogra: fatal eroor
[01:49] <ogra> Swankyguy: from modprobe ?
[01:49] <DoppleGanger> labauer: try printing a document
[01:49] <speel> does the opengl library have a special name or anything?
[01:49] <labauer> DG:  As above, I did try the test print and no go
[01:49] <DoppleGanger> if test page fails in cups config then you need to reconfigure cups
[01:49] <edu> hola?
[01:49] <edu> allguien puede ayudarme con una duda sobre ubuntu?
[01:50] <DoppleGanger> que duda?
[01:50] <edu> es recomendable que pase a sid?
[01:50] <labauer> DG:  So, from a cold boot of the CD, Ubuntu won't print w/o additional configuration, unlike Knoppix
[01:51] <Swankyguy> ogra: yes
[01:51] <Swankyguy> ogra: device does not exist
[01:51] <ogra> Swankyguy: so it's no sb8
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> labauer: probably not
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> just reconfigure it youself
[01:51] <DoppleGanger> its not that hard
[01:52] <ogra> Swankyguy: sb16 was ok, but i got no clue why you have no sound
[01:52] <jharrison> I guess I should download the live cd
[01:52] <labauer> DG:  OK, I guess I'll have to hit the CUPS documention, then.  Knoppix always just worked for me, so I've never really deleved in.  Thanks, DG!
[01:52] <jharrison> or wait to build my test box
[01:52] <DoppleGanger> edu: si ubuntu es debian sid pero es mejor usa debian sid que unbuntu
[01:53] <edu> pero puedo cambiarle los repositorios de ubuntu por los de sid?
[01:53] <DoppleGanger> si
[01:53] <edu> ok
[01:54] <edu> bueno, y donde me puedo bajar debian sid?
[01:54] <maruko-work> wth, spanish?
[01:54] <RichNrockvilleMD> I get alsact1 not loaded load stat 1134 ?? any ideas?
[01:54] <maruko-work> yo quiero un burrito de queso!
[01:55] <meff> on using the marillat repositories, the official faq mentions using the unstable repos, whereas the wiki says to use testing.. which is it? thanks
[01:55] <RichNrockvilleMD> maruko, you and the taco bell dog :)
[01:55] <DoppleGanger> edu: http://www.debian.org/international/Spanish
[01:55] <ogra> meff: testing
[01:55] <meff> ogra: hmm, someone should change that on there then.. :o
[01:57] <ogra> meff: i have changed the wiki, several people had probs with unstable....i have no access to the website cms to change it there, i'll contact someone.....
[01:57] <DoppleGanger> hmmm go yankees
[01:58] <meff> ogra: cool, thanks for your work
[01:58] <razorblade2000> i really begin to like ubuntu
[01:58] <jayeola> let's see, the source code belongs in /usr/src/, right?
[01:59] <cardador> jayeola: yes
[01:59] <DoppleGanger> he eh
[02:00] <jayeola> <--- he does
[02:01] <DoppleGanger> yep
[02:01] <jayeola> ;/
[02:02] <asubedi> i did not install grub while installing warty (did not want to wipe the grub already in mbr). What should be the entry in grub.conf?
[02:02] <DoppleGanger> rtm
[02:04] <riley> i don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but i was wondering how i would add a bash command that can access a program i've written from anywhere on the system
[02:04] <meff> riley: alias
[02:04] <ukasz> or put the exec in PATH
[02:04] <riley> meff: thanks
[02:05] <meff> riley: like in .profile.. 'alias ultracommand=/some/dirs/path/bin/ultra'
[02:05] <asubedi> anyone mind sharing their grub.conf with me :)
[02:05] <riley> oh ok i thought you meant alias was a bash command... thanks
[02:05] <DoppleGanger> he eh
[02:06] <dev1> hey, I'm about to install Ubuntu - how is it different from standard Debian?. Is the kernel the same as debian?
[02:06] <meff> dev1: read the website faq
[02:07] <meff> why dont people read before they ask :/
[02:07] <DoppleGanger> use it well luke
[02:07] <Dekkard> too easy
[02:07] <meff> i think everyone should read and study ESR's 'smart questions' page
[02:07] <meff> :P
[02:07] <dev1> I'm looking for the FAQ but it doesn't tell me what the kernel version is
[02:07] <DoppleGanger> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:08] <cardador> dev1: 2.6.8
[02:08] <meff> yes yes that one DoppleGanger ;)
[02:08] <jdub> dev1: <IP_ADDRESS>, patched
[02:08] <dev1> what is "standard debian-unstable" shipping?
[02:08] <jdub> no idea
[02:08] <jdub> different to our kernel, anyway
[02:09] <meff> jdub, you a ubuntu dev?
[02:09] <dev1> I have to create some software that needs to go on debian but I hate Debian's installer and want to install Ubuntu instead
[02:09] <jdub> yes
[02:09] <jdub> ubuntu uses a simplified version of debian's installer
[02:09] <knewt> ok, took a while to get everything sorted out like i want but i've now successfully completed my upgrade from woody and everything seems good
[02:09] <nitin> i just installed ubuntu
[02:09] <nitin> whats the 1st step to set up my 9700 pro?
[02:09] <meff> is there any plans including lm-sensors anytime? it tries to install deb kernel images when i try to aptitude it.. also, are there lmsensor modules in the ubuntu kernel?
[02:10] <nitin> anyone know what the 1st step is after a fresh install to setup ati drivers
[02:10] <jdub> meff: $ find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/ | grep sensor
[02:10] <jdub> /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/kernel/drivers/i2c/i2c-sensor.ko
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> nitin: trm
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> oops
[02:10] <nitin> ?
[02:10] <DoppleGanger> rtm
[02:11] <nitin> rtm?
[02:11] <jdub> nitin: see BinaryDriverHowto on the wiki
[02:11] <asubedi> jdub: what should be the entry in grub.conf? (didn't install while installing warty because didn't want to wipe out the one already there)
[02:11] <Dekkard> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[02:11] <jdub> asubedi: in menu.lst?
[02:12] <asubedi> jdub: yes
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> ehem
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
[02:12] <jdub> mine looks like
[02:12] <tvon|x31> Hey, whats this about inotify in Hoary?
[02:12] <jdub> title           Ubuntu, kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[02:12] <jdub> root            (hd0,0)
[02:12] <jdub> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[02:12] <jdub> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[02:12] <DoppleGanger> http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/R/RTFM.html
[02:12] <jdub> savedefault
[02:12] <jdub> boot
[02:12] <Swankyguy> ogra: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/5/24/164
[02:12] <jdub>
[02:12] <Swankyguy> OGRA!
[02:12] <jdub> DoppleGanger: please do not use 'rtfm' to answer questions here
[02:12] <dougall> hola
[02:13] <asubedi> jdub, thanks :)
[02:13] <nitin> how do i get linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1?
[02:13] <speel> nitin use synaptic
[02:13] <nitin> and just search for that?
[02:13] <speel> yea
[02:13] <SmokingFire> yes
[02:13] <nitin> k
[02:13] <SmokingFire> linux-restricted then pick your kernel
[02:13] <jdub> nitin: what kind of cpu do you have?
[02:14] <nitin> p4 2.66
[02:14] <nitin> im doing the ati fglrx setup
[02:14] <nitin> and it says
[02:14] <nitin> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= <IP_ADDRESS>.1-1
[02:14] <jdub> apt-get install linux-686
[02:14] <dougall> nitin: I just tried and failed miserably.
[02:14] <jdub> you probably already have it
[02:14] <nitin> k
[02:14] <jdub> $ dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules*
[02:15] <nitin> #
[02:15] <nitin> sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
[02:15] <nitin>     *
[02:15] <nitin>       or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel.
[02:15] <jdub> ^ do that to make sure
[02:15] <nitin> which one do i need?
[02:15] <jdub> linux-686
[02:15] <nitin> k
[02:15] <jdub> that's why i asked :)
[02:15] <nitin> ~_~
[02:15] <DoppleGanger> uname -r
[02:15] <nitin> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[02:15] <nitin> opsp
[02:15] <nitin> nitin@TheBox:~ $ uname -r
[02:15] <nitin> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[02:16] <nitin> so is linux-686 ok?
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: what cpu do you have?
[02:16] <nitin> p4 2.66
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: thats a 686 class cpu
[02:16] <nitin> and uname -r says <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[02:16] <SmokingFire> I want to submit a feature request for after first boot of Ubuntu, what component would that be?
[02:16] <jharrison> nitin: how about putting 2 and 2 together
[02:16] <nitin> k
[02:16] <nitin> i dunno ~_
[02:17] <nitin> want to make sure
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: yes 686 would be the kernel optimised for your cpu
[02:17] <nitin> E: Couldn't find package linux-686
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: if you had an athlon xp you would use a k7 kernel
[02:17] <nitin> do i need to enable a reposortory?
[02:17] <jharrison> nitin: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8
[02:18] <jdub> jharrison: linux-image in ubuntu
[02:18] <jharrison> oh
[02:18] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:18] <jharrison> that sucks
[02:18] <DoppleGanger> eh eh
[02:18] <jharrison> how do you know what kernel is what
[02:18] <jdub> jharrison: linux-image-....
[02:18] <jharrison> ok
[02:18] <jdub> and there are a bunch of metapackages like linux-686
[02:18] <jharrison> so apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.8
[02:19] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  Just wanted to say congratulations on the Warty release!  I and many others at my University switched distros when you released the preview and have loved it ever since.
[02:19] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:19] <jharrison> I hear ubuntu removed the semi-nude stuff today
[02:19] <ficusplanet> jharrison, Not removed.  By they aren't the default any longer.
[02:20] <jharrison> its for the best
[02:20] <ficusplanet> (At least as far as I can tell.)
[02:20] <meff> ficusplanet: yeah, me and a couple of hardcore debian user friends have switched over lately too :)
[02:20] <nitin> y doesnt ubuntu come with firefox 1.0pr?
[02:20] <tvon|x31> too buggy
[02:20] <nitin> icic
[02:21] <ions|ubuntu> anyone here get gaim-vv working?
[02:21] <jharrison> I know what gaim is
[02:21] <LeeColleton> ions|ubuntu: I'm more interested in gaim-encryption..
[02:21] <jharrison> dont know what gaim-vv is
[02:22] <jharrison> LeeColleton: yeah
[02:22] <ions|ubuntu> voice & video
[02:22] <theantix> nitin: I'm sure when 1.0 final comes out someone will make Ubuntu packages for it
[02:22] <jharrison> oh ok
[02:22] <vircuser> is ubuntu community developed?
[02:22] <nitin> icic
[02:23] <ogra> vircuser: regarding here are over 240 ppl inside... yess
[02:23] <theantix> vircuser: I think it is mainly Canonical employees right now, but they are aiming to increase community involvment
[02:23] <vircuser> ok
[02:24] <theantix> on the other hand, a lot of the packages come from debian so maybe that isn't fair of me to say
[02:24] <vircuser> sounds cool anyway
[02:25] <theantix> oh yes, it's very cool :-)
[02:25] <vircuser> i think i'll go install it
[02:25] <vircuser> ..right now
[02:25] <RuffianSoldier> hi all
[02:25] <RuffianSoldier> UBUNTU RULES!
[02:25] <nitin> just to ppoint out theres a spelln mistake under the binarydriverhowto
[02:25] <nitin> it says
[02:26] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: WE KNOW !
[02:26] <nitin> flgrx-control when its fglrx-control
[02:26] <nitin> :P
[02:26] <jharrison> RuffianSoldier: you leading the pep rally?
[02:26] <LeeColleton> are there any issues with including strong encryption with ubuntu?     I know.
[02:27] <jharrison> hehe
[02:27] <georgia> you shoudl have specified a GUI key manager
[02:27] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: only 5 :(
[02:27] <meff> last time i checked most of those graphical key managers were dead :)
[02:27] <SmokingFire> I just logged a enhancement for Ubuntu, what do you think? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2585
[02:27] <jharrison> RuffianSoldier: link?
[02:28] <tvon|x31> Didn't seahorse just have a new release?
[02:28] <georgia> gpg is not a gui key manager and lynx is not a gui browser, but they are respectively key managers and browsers
[02:28] <theantix> I think Seahorse is being considered for gnome 2.10 isn't it?
[02:28] <LeeColleton> I'm making the point that the average end user will not be able to use gnupg from the command line.  Nor will they want to use lynx
[02:28] <tvon|x31> dunno, I have/use it and it's decent
[02:28] <tvon|x31> though the nautilus context menu gets a little croweded
[02:28] <brettcar> SmokingFire: I think no one will read it
[02:28] <theantix> LeeColleton: I agree with you, I think Seahorse should be in main -- perhaps you could nominate it for inclusion
[02:28] <brettcar> SmokingFire: Sadly.
[02:29] <jdub> LeeColleton: the guis for gpg stuff have not been very good so far
[02:29] <jdub> LeeColleton: however, there's a new version of seahorse that is supposed to be better
[02:29] <SmokingFire> brettcar: That thought crossed my mind, but it would not be a big deal to do it and some would read it or hopefully remember its there.
[02:29] <jharrison> my browser says ubuntu is number 25 on distrowatch
[02:29] <hk-alfa> RuffianSoldier: number 4 :D
[02:29] <tvon|x31> Encrypting things via nautilus context menu would be more useful if the files could be automatically decrypted by whatever needed to open them
[02:29] <tvon|x31> well, automatically with prompt
[02:30] <meff> is there any menu in ubuntu like the debian menu in debian that shows all the installed pkgs for like, every window manager.. ?
[02:30] <theantix> jharrison: set it a different timespan, like last month or last two months
[02:30] <tvon|x31> game on
[02:30] <tvon|x31> effing Boston..they just do this to torture their fans
[02:30] <jharrison> :(
[02:30] <hk-alfa> jharrison: sort by last 1 month
[02:30] <jharrison> now ubuntu is 4 and debian is 5
[02:30] <nitin2> hey i installed the fglrx moduloes and restarted and it doesnt work
[02:30] <nitin2> i see fglrx module under lsmod
[02:31] <nitin2> but its using mesa
[02:31] <nitin2> wtF?
[02:31] <jharrison> and mandrake (the suck ass distro of all time) is number 1
[02:31] <brettcar> nitin2: Did you add it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:31] <nitin2> yea
[02:31] <brettcar> nitin2: How do you know it is still using mesa?
[02:31] <jharrison> nitin2: you have an ati card?
[02:31] <theantix> jharrison: just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks -- it's very good for a lot of people
[02:31] <nitin2> nitin@TheBox:~ $ fglrxinfo
[02:31] <nitin2> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:31] <nitin2> OpenGL version string: 1.3 Mesa 4.0.4
[02:31] <jharrison> theantix: yeah ok
[02:32] <nitin2> obviously!
[02:32] <jharrison> nitin2: !
[02:32] <nitin2> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro]
[02:32] <nitin2> 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 [Radeon 9700 Pro]  (Secondary)
[02:32] <nitin2> so wtf is up with this..
[02:32] <brettcar> Hm
[02:32] <brettcar> Dunno
[02:32] <ogra> lol, linux CD is selling ubuntu for 1,99
[02:32] <LinuxJones> Time to check out the new live cd .... muahhhh
[02:32] <jharrison> nitin2: did you compile a kernel?
[02:32] <nitin2> nop
[02:32] <nitin2> its clean i JUST instaled it
[02:32] <nitin2> and installed the fglrx
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: did you make the driver?
[02:33] <nitin2> lol..no?
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: lomod | grep fglrx
[02:33] <Erndil> hello
[02:33] <Erndil> i need help
[02:33] <nitin2> its running
[02:33] <jharrison> nitin2: did you see a module called fglrx listed?
[02:33] <DoppleGanger> ha ah so all the crap distros get the higher ratings he eh
[02:33] <Erndil> i spanish so i talk a little bad english
[02:33] <nitin2> nitin@TheBox:/var/log $ lsmod | grep fglrx
[02:33] <nitin2> fglrx                 214820  0
[02:33] <jharrison> DoppleGanger: now now they are all good for a lot of poeple
[02:34] <Erndil> i want to install an Ati Radeon 9600 pro in ubuntu
[02:34] <RuffianSoldier> I just order my 30 free ubuntu CDs, 10 for i386, 10 for Power PC, and 10 for AMD64 ALL FOR FREE!
[02:34] <jharrison> nitin2: did you convert it to a .deb with alien?
[02:34] <Erndil> yes
[02:34] <nitin2> i used the freking sudo apt-get install fglrx-diver
[02:34] <nitin2> driver
[02:34] <jharrison> nitin2: did you run fglrxconfig?
[02:34] <Erndil> nope
[02:34] <nitin2> no
[02:34] <nitin2> but i dont think so
[02:34] <nitin2> i dont need to
[02:35] <meff> hmm crap.. anyone have a prob with k3b not finding their burner? it wont detect my hp
[02:35] <nitin2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <jharrison> ok
[02:35] <meff> though i just burned something fine with cdrecord..
[02:35] <jharrison> nevermind then
[02:35] <cardador> Erndil: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <jharrison> I dont use ubuntu so maybe im telling you something I shouldnt be
[02:35] <jharrison> ubuntu might do it different
[02:35] <jharrison> I dont want to mess you up
[02:36] <jharrison> my ati card runs wonderful though :-P
[02:36] <jharrison> I have 3D accel up to my eye balls
[02:36] <nitin2> heres my log
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [agp]  AGP v3 disable mask   0x00000000
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [agp]  enabling AGP with mode=0x1f004f0a
[02:36] <nitin2> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  Failed to set AGP mode!
[02:36] <nitin2> (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel
[02:36] <nitin2> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  unmapping 8192 bytes of SAREA 0xe0b26000 at 0x40233000
[02:36] <RuffianSoldier> should i do an apt-get update and then upgrade since Ubuntu Final came out?
[02:37] <nitin2> opps
[02:37] <nitin2> closed it
[02:37] <nitin2> did u see the log?
[02:37] <nitin2> wtf is that
[02:37] <RuffianSoldier> answer for my question?
[02:37] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/WartyWarthog/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <jharrison> nitin2: looks like you have an agp problem
[02:37] <nitin2> is 8x a problem?
[02:38] <jharrison> no
[02:38] <nitin2> should i turn it down to 4x on mobo
[02:38] <witigonen> So, I just installed Ubuntu... and I don't really recall it ever asking me for a root password.
[02:38] <nitin2> ..
[02:38] <nitin2> then wt
[02:38] <nitin2> wat
[02:38] <jharrison> either the fglrx agp is not working properly for your hardware
[02:38] <jharrison> or
[02:38] <Netminder> wow a bunch of space got trimmed from the release ISO size.
[02:38] <RuffianSoldier> witigonen: heh, ubuntu has none
[02:38] <ogra> witigonen: it shouldn'T, there is none
[02:38] <jharrison> you are not using the kernel agpgart module
[02:38] <plasmo> witigonen: sudo ;)
[02:39] <ogra> witigonen: just use your own pw everywhere
[02:39] <lupus_> how do I enable hald to use fstab-sync and add all my partitions to /media?
[02:39] <witigonen> Okay, that's what I was wondering.  I tried su with my own password and that didn't work, so I didn't know what was going on.  Thanks!
[02:40] <jharrison> so if someone cracks your normal user password they can sudo whatever they want
[02:40] <jharrison> nice!
[02:40] <ogra> jharrison: if someone cracks you root pw as well
[02:41] <LinuxJones> jharrison, they have to get your userID as well 1st
[02:41] <ogra> but with sudo he fist has to guess your username ;)
[02:41] <jharrison> ogra: yeah but my root password is different then my user password
[02:41] <witigonen> How do I go about mounting NTFS partitions?  Or.. is there an FAQ I can look at so I don't have to bother you people with questions you hear forty times a day?
[02:41] <jharrison> ogra: is your user name ogra?
[02:41] <ogra> jharrison: sudo is logging all commands
[02:42] <hk-alfa> hmm ubuntu es buena para servidor?
[02:42] <LinuxJones> witigonen, there should be something in the faq about that. There are about 10 requests per day for that. Give me a sec ...
[02:42] <ogra> jharrison: how could you guess....you just broke the first security barrier of my system *g*
[02:42] <jharrison> ogra: I didnt guess
[02:42] <__daniel> good night guys
[02:43] <snarf> holy crap, ubuntu is nice.. autodetected everything.. but does it have to do a full install of everything?
[02:43] <jharrison> ogra: now for your password
[02:43] <RuffianSoldier> snarf: its Ubuntu
[02:44] <LinuxJones> witigonen, >> http://www.linuxforum.com/linux_tutorials/1/1.php
[02:44] <snarf> nah, it cant be
[02:44] <ogra> jharrison: but keep quiet ;)
[02:44] <SmokingFire> what does sudo stand for?
[02:44] <jharrison> ogra: will do
[02:44] <jharrison> SmokingFire: super user do
[02:44] <ogra> jharrison: *g*
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: want me to tell you your ip?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: where youa re from?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: etc...?
[02:45] <limaunion> hk-alfa: pienso que si, por que no ? se instala lo basico y lo adicional por apt
[02:45] <ogra> jharrison: i thoght superman.....
[02:45] <DoppleGanger> mwa ha ha
[02:45] <DoppleGanger> man its so hard to read man mount
[02:45] <chuck> did anyone have trouble with ubuntu not configing their monitor?
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: to find these thigns out is very easy if you know what to look for
[02:45] <ogra> jharrison: my mobile number would impress me !!
[02:45] <jharrison> ogra: dont know if I can get that
[02:46] <jharrison> ogra: we will have to see
[02:46] <ogra> jharrison: you wont ---- it's prepaid
[02:46] <DoppleGanger> chuck: man xorgconfig
[02:47] <nitin2> omg
[02:47] <snarf> does ubuntu have anything to help me set up printing?
[02:47] <nitin2> i got it to work
[02:47] <chuck> have to reinstall it on the laptop
[02:47] <nitin2> but it thinks i have a 9500 pro now
[02:47] <nitin2> wtf
[02:47] <jharrison> ogra: germany
[02:47] <nitin2> and i get way lower fps
[02:47] <LinuxJones> snarf, Computer >> System Config >> Priniting
[02:47] <nitin2> i usuaally get 4000+ on glxgears and now i get 2000+
[02:48] <ogra> jharrison: thats easy, you just had to scroll up
[02:48] <snarf> thanks
[02:48] <snarf> never used gnome 2.x
[02:48] <DoppleGanger> ha ha hey chuck reinstall probably won't work
[02:48] <DoppleGanger> reading the manual will
[02:48] <jharrison> ogra: i wasnt paying attention
[02:48] <chuck> how so?
[02:49] <witigonen> So weird... LinuxJones, I can mount all the windows partitions on the same disk as the ubuntu install, but I can't access my other all ntfs harddrive.  It gives me a permissions error, though it appears to mount it fine.
[02:49] <limaunion> which's the right location to create directories to mount my different ntfs/msdos/etc filesystems, /mnt or /media ?
[02:49] <ogra> jharrison: send my pw to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you got it and i'll hire you if my comany is asking for a security review :)
[02:49] <nitin2> god damn
[02:49] <nitin2> this is y linux is garg.
[02:50] <jharrison> ogra: no thanks I have a job I love already
[02:50] <lupus_> witigonen, did you use gid and uid
[02:50] <jharrison> ogra: and I have better things to do then crack your password
[02:50] <LinuxJones> witigonen, I don't have any windows machines, can you view them as root user ?
[02:50] <lupus_> otherwise users can't use it even when user is in the fstab options
[02:50] <jharrison> LinuxJones: what?
[02:51] <LinuxJones> jharrison, ??
[02:51] <nitin2> anyone know how to get the ati drivers to p r o p e r l y work?
[02:51] <ogra> jharrison: thoght it was this easy.... nevermind
[02:51] <jharrison> ogra: passwords are a little more difficult
[02:52] <jharrison> ogra: I meant finding usernames and ips and locations
[02:52] <witigonen> LinuxJones, since the cd command doesn't appear to work with sudo, I don't know if root can view it or not.  It looks just like user doesn't have the permissions.  However, the other windows partitions, which have the exact same setting, all work fine.  I used umask for all of them.
[02:53] <chuck> dopple man xorgconfig didnt work either
[02:53] <ogra> jharrison: i know how easy that is....
[02:53] <LinuxJones> witigonen, wish I could offer more help :D
[02:54] <jharrison> ogra: great
[02:55] <witigonen> Hmm..
[02:55] <TheMuso> witigonen: You can do sudo bash
[02:56] <jharrison> time to go code
[02:56] <TheMuso> Which can get you into a root shell.
[02:56] <DoppleGanger> chuck: google
[02:56] <DoppleGanger> ever heard of it
[02:56] <witigonen> TheMuso, thanks.
[02:56] <chuck> dopple thanks for the help
[02:56] <spacejunk> has anyone gotten sound working on a Dell Insprion 8200?
[02:56] <ogra> jharrison: bye :)
[02:56] <TheMuso> spacejunk: What sound card does the laptop have?
[02:56] <tolstoy> dyuguys know how to get emacs to recognize the scroll-wheel?  seems to do so naturally under, uh, another distribution. ;)
[02:56] <TheMuso> Did the install or hotplug find the card?
[02:57] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, please don't be rude to people
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> how is saying use google rude
[02:57] <spacejunk> TheMuso, Intel AC'97
[02:57] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, the ever heard of it part is rude
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> i am not gonna sit here and explain manual to someone
[02:57] <DoppleGanger> LinuxJones: what are you a fascist
[02:57] <tolstoy> nevermind. found it.
[02:58] <clochejm> will there be a firefox upgrade soon?
[02:58] <chuck> Dopple dont explain man to me i understand the concept, but if you dont WANT to help then allow someone else to help
[02:58] <spacejunk> wait; I think I found the problem
[02:59] <LinuxJones> DoppleGanger, considering you told him to man for something that doesn't exist on ubuntu, let's leave it @ that.
[02:59] <witigonen> It hangs for a very, very long time when it tries to mount or ls as root in the folder.
[02:59] <ogra> LinuxJones: he's gone
[02:59] <LinuxJones> god
[02:59] <witigonen> (There's an obscene amount of folders in there, but I don't think that's the cause- could the drive not be plugged in fully or something very strange like that?  It shows up in fdisk -l, so I wouldn't think so)
[03:00] <TheMuso> witigonen: Sorry I came in kinda late. What is your problem?
[03:00] <ukasz> anybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper?
[03:00] <Dashiva> If anyone knows anything about quantum computing/quantum cryptography or knows of a good primer to help me in writing something PM me plz :D. (amsg
[03:00] <TheMuso> ukasz: Are you using GNOME? If so, right click on the desktop, and you will see an option at the bottom of the menu to do just that.
[03:00] <SmokingFire> witigonen: your trying to mount a ntfs partition right?
[03:00] <ukasz> nope no gnome ^^
[03:00] <ogra> ukasz: right klick on you dektop ?
[03:00] <djempak> ukasz, try ImageMagick
[03:00] <ukasz> which command?
[03:01] <witigonen> SmokingFire, yes.
[03:01] <ogra> ukasz: xsertroot
[03:01] <djempak> "display"
[03:01] <TheMuso> witigonen: Have you run a chkdsk on the partition recently from Windows?
[03:01] <chuck> linuxjones i install ubuntu on a laptop and the screen is unusable
[03:01] <ukasz> thanks
[03:01] <djempak> np
[03:01] <witigonen> TheMuso, no, I haven't, but it was working perfectly earlier today in Fedora.
[03:01] <ogra> ukasz: sorry, xsetroot
[03:01] <TheMuso> chuck: Do you know what video card the laptop has?
[03:01] <ShadowHawk> So I just updated the preview release to Warty.  Hello NAKEDOS
[03:01] <SmokingFire> witigonen: if you know the partition name e.g. hda3 or hdb2
[03:01] <chuck> i could find out
[03:02] <witigonen> SmokingFire, hda1.  It's an external hard drive, my main drive is SATA.
[03:02] <SmokingFire> witigonen: then create a folder in /mnt or /media named for example windows --> mkdir /mnt/windows
[03:02] <witigonen> Er, not external, internal IDE, sorry.
[03:02] <witigonen> SmokingFire, already done that, my two other ntfs partitions work wonderfully but this one isn't.
[03:02] <TheMuso> chuck: Type lspci -v and have a look through what you see. You should see somewthing about your video card.
[03:02] <ukasz> ogra: xsetroot does not support png
[03:02] <LinuxJones> chuck, ctrl+alt+F2 then sudo -s then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:02] <SmokingFire> after creating the directory, to test it you then do as sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
[03:03] <SmokingFire> witigonen: ok, sorry
[03:03] <nitin2> hey i might have gotten it wroking
[03:03] <nitin2> but i get this error on glxinfo
[03:03] <nitin2> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:03] <nitin2> i think i need to make a simlink or something>?
[03:03] <nitin2> heeelp
[03:03] <ukasz> anybody knows a good program for setting wallpaper (that supports png)?
[03:03] <TheMuso> nitin2: Do you have that library installed anywhere?
[03:03] <chuck> i need to install it on the laptop again... i put SuSE on it, but i would rather run ubuntu
[03:03] <nitin2> it was installed fine
[03:03] <witigonen> SmokingFire, no problem :)
[03:03] <nitin2> i just instaled fglrx drivers
[03:04] <nitin2> and its giving me that error
[03:04] <witigonen> I have to go, actually, but I'll be back later, thank you everyone for your help.
[03:04] <jgarret1> hi!! I'm new to ubuntu..not linux though...is there a forum for ubuntu??
[03:04] <ogra> ukasz: try chameleon
[03:04] <TheMuso> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:04] <ukasz> ok
[03:04] <jgarret1> kk! thanks
[03:06] <nitin2> ?
[03:06] <ukasz> ogra, chameleon works fine, thanks
[03:06] <LinuxJones> chuck backup your /etc/X11XF86Config-4 file from your Suse install to a floppy. Then copy to Ubuntu after install.
[03:07] <TheMuso> LinuxJones: I am not sure if that is the best idea. All he needs is the driver info, but sometimes different distros do things differently, I.E fonts, etc.
[03:08] <TheMuso> I have tried doing that accross different distros before, with less than satisfactory results.
[03:08] <ogra> LinuxJones: i'd rather take knoppix or try the ubuntu live cd
[03:08] <chuck> ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (r128)
[03:08] <TheMuso> chuck: What might be an idea, is if you can, grab the latest live cd release, load that, and then copy the configuration from that onto your HD.
[03:09] <ogra> chuck: or pendrive, or floppy
[03:09] <chuck> Suse is just so gooyey
[03:10] <chuck> gooey
[03:10] <LinuxJones> TheMuso, it's easier to try restoring from backup but that's just me :)
[03:10] <ShadowHawk> Where is the loading screen and desktop file stored?  I'd like to open them in an image program.
[03:10] <chuck> running ubuntu on my desktop
[03:10] <ShadowHawk> The default one, rather.
[03:11] <labauer> Has anyone got the live cd version to print to any kind of printer?
[03:11] <clochejm> where is the default gnome themes folder?
[03:12] <ogra> ShadowHawk: /usr/share/pixmaps/splash
[03:13] <ShadowHawk> ogra: thanks
[03:13] <labauer> So, no one has a working printer?
[03:14] <ogra> clochejm: /usr/share/themes/Default
[03:14] <clochejm> ogra, thanks
[03:14] <LinuxJones> labauer , Computer >> System Config >> Priniting
[03:14] <labauer> LJ:  Yup, that is what I tried. . .but it didn't work.  Did it for you?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> labauer , it worked for me on my hd install but I havn't tried the livecd yet :)
[03:16] <labauer> LJ:  What kind of printer?  parallel, usb, network?
[03:17] <chuck> my printer works
[03:17] <labauer> Chuck:  What kinda hookup to the printer do you have?
[03:17] <LinuxJones> labauer , usb
[03:18] <TheMuso> labauer: Do you have gimp-print installed? Perhaps if that was installed you may get the right driver?
[03:18] <TheMuso> Orhave I totally missed what is going on here?
[03:18] <chuck> printer port
[03:18] <MeAndU> I have installed MPLAYER and kept getting the following error - Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf )
[03:19] <clochejm> is a firefox upgrade coming soon?
[03:19] <chuck> Labauer but i am running the installed Ubuntu
[03:19] <ShadowHawk> ogra: what about the default desktop, rather than the splash screen?
[03:19] <Dashiva> MeAndU, install the mplayer-fonts package
[03:19] <clochejm> that would make installing plugins so much easier
[03:19] <MeAndU> Where can i find this file
[03:19] <fsc> ubuntu should ship with auto-hinting on in /etc/fonts/local.conf.  It makes a world of difference to me and I can say that fonts on Ubuntu look as good as XP now.  woot
[03:19] <MeAndU> ok will try that
[03:20] <labauer> TheMuso:  I've tried installing networked printers (HPJetDirect & Windows) via the printer tool under the "Computer" menu and via the web interface for CUPS.  They work under knoppix, but not ubuntu
[03:20] <ogra> ShadowHawk: /usr/share/backgrounds
[03:20] <ShadowHawk> Thanks
[03:20] <LinuxJones> MeAndU, install mplayer-fonts
[03:22] <LinuxJones> fsc, what does that do ?
[03:23] <atariboy> sweet 153 seeds for the torrent
[03:23] <MeAndU> LinuxJones, Thanks i will try that, but now i am doing an upgrade. Not sure though if the package is there for amd-64
[03:24] <LinuxJones> MeAndU, I want your computer :)
[03:24] <ogra> MeAndU: else you can link any .ttf file you like to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf
[03:25] <MeAndU> LinuxJones, Why not take it in vertual space
[03:25] <Ghosty> hello guys... may I ask? which iso should I download from the download page? Should I grab the live if I want to install to HDD or should I get the release?
[03:25] <ogra> Ghosty: get the release
[03:25] <chuck> night all
[03:25] <LinuxJones> night
[03:25] <ogra> nicht
[03:25] <ogra> g
[03:25] <Ghosty> thanx... I'll be joining wif you guys after I install
[03:26] <atariboy> Ghosty: the torrent in the topic works well
[03:26] <MeAndU> ogra, Whats the command to do that say i have a font.ttf in my ~/fontdir
[03:27] <ogra> MeAndU: ln -s ~/.fonts/font.ttf ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf
[03:28] <occy> anyone know where rhythmbox keeps it's preferences?
[03:28] <Dashiva> occy, .gnome2/rhythmbox/
[03:28] <occy> Dashiva, thanks bunches
[03:28] <punkass> is there a 'gui' way to remove files from a cdrw?
[03:28] <ogra> occy: whats wrong with the settings ?
[03:28] <occy> heh, it didn't like what I imported...
[03:29] <occy> and it wouldn't start up anymore
[03:29] <occy> so I nuked (just now)  ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/
[03:29] <occy> now it starts
[03:29] <ogra> occy: try gconf-editor and look in apps/rhythmbox
[03:29] <occy> I don't like that you can't simply drag and drop a file from nautilus onto it.
[03:29] <occy> and xmms is broken in ubuntu
[03:30] <Dashiva> you need to install mikmod with it
[03:30] <Dashiva> why it isn't in the dependency chain is a mystery
[03:30] <Dashiva> it's the same in debian
[03:30] <LinuxJones> Dashiva, why isn't that included in dependencies ... weird
[03:30] <occy> libmikmod2 - A portable sound library
[03:30] <occy> that?
[03:30] <Despair> Dashiva: even more of a mystery is why nobody uses the better mod lib, dumb...
[03:31] <occy> that fixed it ;)
[03:31] <occy> you'd think that would be a dep.
[03:32] <ogra> night all (3:30 AM in germany)
[03:32] <LinuxJones> cya ofra
[03:32] <LinuxJones> err ogra
[03:32] <ogra> *g*
[03:32] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:32] <Despair> though at least debian packages libdumb0. :)
[03:33] <occy> it's working now, so I reckon I can't complain too much ;)
[03:33] <occy> I look forward to when I can have Ubuntu goodness on my laptop.
[03:34] <Dashiva> but i do like pie
[03:35] <occy> well... xmms is a pile...
[03:35] <occy> nasty gtk1 stuff
[03:35] <Dashiva> but it's got plugins up the yinyang
[03:35] <Dashiva> beep is kinda sexy i guess
[03:36] <occy> beep?
[03:36] <Dashiva> beep media player
[03:36] <Dashiva> it's a gtk2 rip of xmms
[03:36] <occy> haha
[03:36] <occy> :P
[03:36] <Dashiva> not sure if it's in ubuntu repository tho
[03:36] <Despair> Dashiva: how's beep stability now? last time I tried it, it crashed if I tried to add anything to the playlist.
[03:36] <occy> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe beep 1.2.2-13 [17.9kB]
[03:37] <occy> you run it and it just goes beep
[03:37] <occy> :)
[03:37] <LinuxJones> heh
[03:37] <Dashiva> haha
[03:37] <Dashiva> nah
[03:37] <Dashiva> beep-media-player
[03:37] <ions> any idea why I'd get this error when trying to compile gaim-vv: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH ?
[03:37] <Dashiva> though i guess if you're a minimalist the former would suffice
[03:37] <Dashiva> probably because you don't have gcc
[03:37] <LinuxJones> ions, install build-essential
[03:38] <ions> apt-get install build-essential?
[03:38] <occy> whoa
[03:38] <LinuxJones> ya
[03:38] <occy> Dashiva, thanks
[03:39] <ions> ty LinuxJones ! :)
[03:39] <occy> the skin fits in perfectly with my setup too
[03:39] <Dashiva> Despair, it works for me
[03:39] <occy> heh
[03:39] <LinuxJones> ions, :)
[03:39] <meff> how do i enable antialiasing in firefox?
[03:40] <Dashiva> i still dig xmms because it's got all my annoying xchat spam scripts
[03:41] <LinuxJones> night all work early tomorrow :)
[03:47] <nitin2> god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!
[03:48] <nitin2> god dmanit! thinks my 9700 pro is a 9500!
[03:48] <nitin2> haha
[03:49] <nitin2> well its driving me crazy
[03:49] <nitin2> and no one knows how to help
[03:49] <nitin2> grr
[03:49] <nitin2> ill just rip all my hair out
[03:49] <Phr0stByte> Thats a Radeon
[03:49] <Phr0stByte> ?
[03:49] <nitin2> yea
[03:49] <nitin2> radeon 9700 pro
[03:49] <ukasz> isn't 9500 the same as 9700?
[03:50] <nitin2> yea..
[03:50] <nitin2> damn ati
[03:50] <nitin2> go to hell
[03:50] <nitin2> lol
[03:50] <nitin2> i wish i bought a radeon..
[03:50] <nitin2> i mean
[03:50] <nitin2> lol
[03:50] <nitin2> nvidia
[03:50] <ukasz> XD
[03:51] <calc> ukasz: its similiar, but not the same
[03:51] <ukasz> I'm ignorant on ati... I have leet nvidia XD
[03:51] <nitin2> haha
[03:52] <nitin2> im doing a full ubuntu update to see if anything will magically work
[03:52] <nitin2> downloading 120 megs..
[03:52] <nitin2> 22 min
[03:55] <ushooz> nitin2, what is wrong?
[03:55] <nitin2> my radeon 9700
[03:55] <nitin2> ubuntu thinks its a 9500
[03:55] <nitin2> :(
[03:55] <nitin2> just doesnt work good
[03:56] <Aan23433> phrostbyte, have yet to receive a cease and desist letter from your friendly ISP?
[03:56] <Phr0stByte> nope
[03:56] <nitin2> would the send one?
[03:56] <Aan23433> phrosbtyte, I think you will get one soon..
[03:56] <nitin2> i dont think they care would they?
[03:56] <Aan23433> they do...
[03:56] <nitin2> y?
[03:56] <nitin2> money?
[03:56] <Aan23433> bec. unlimited internet isn't really unlimited...
[03:57] <nitin2> haha
[03:57] <Aan23433> "subject to terms and conditions" which you clicked when you signed up for your broadband..
[03:57] <Aan23433> reasonable usage whatever that means..
[03:57] <Aan23433> but 130Gig seems quite a lot..
[03:57] <Aan23433> so what you've been downloading?
[03:57] <Phr0stByte> DVDs
[03:57] <nitin2> lol
[03:57] <Aan23433> what program were you using?
[03:58] <TheMuso> 130GB is stupidly too much. Do you people download just for the sake of it? Wow!
[03:58] <ushooz> nitin2, what do you mean does not work good? No GL?
[03:58] <Phr0stByte> overnetclc/ed2k_gui
[03:58] <Aan23433> heh, wished I had that much bandwidht.
[03:58] <nitin2> yes gl but i KNOW that when linux thinks its a 9700 pro correctly it get way better fps
[03:58] <Aan23433> hmm... I am kinda using my neighbour's "free" wifi..
[03:58] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here know The Gimp well?
[03:58] <Aan23433> problem is, I am not leeching anything..but there are like 10 other people..
[03:58] <nitin2> say, in glxgears i get over 2000 more fps
[03:59] <nitin2> tho its not a bm
[03:59] <Aan23433> how could there be possible 10 people all leeching off this poor guy?
[03:59] <Aan23433> i mean... jesus..find some other AP..
[04:00] <Dashiva> he's dumb enough to leave it open heh
[04:00] <Aan23433> or better yet, limited to moderated browsing..
[04:00] <Aan23433> actually, I am hoping it's intentional..
[04:00] <ushooz> nitin2, ah, I thought you were not have GL at all. My ATI stinks in Linux on the hardware it is on
[04:00] <Aan23433> if I had cable, I would leave it open..
[04:01] <Aan23433> and my SSID would be "abuseitorloseit"
[04:01] <Dashiva> anything to burn bin/cue files in ubuntu?
[04:01] <meff> cdrdao Dashiva
[04:01] <Dashiva> rephrase - anything easy to use to burn bin/cue files
[04:01] <TheMuso> And Gcdmaster is a nice front-end
[04:01] <meff> uh whats hard about cdrdao
[04:01] <nitin2> :(
[04:01] <LeeColleton> Aan23433: wouldn't that be "abuseitANDloseit"?
[04:02] <clochejm> is anyone have really slow network/internet performance?
[04:02] <meff> cdrdao write --device /dev/hdd --driver generic-mmc --overburn --speed 10 -v 9 blah.cue
[04:02] <Aan23433> meff, some people just have hard time remembering bunch of CL stuff"
[04:02] <TheMuso> Accessing what?
[04:02] <Aan23433> lee, true.. heh.
[04:02] <Dashiva> hmm
[04:02] <Aan23433> clochjem..
[04:02] <Dashiva> i got a cd to waste...lesse if it works
[04:02] <Aan23433> me.
[04:02] <Dashiva> shoud i sudo it
[04:02] <clochejm> Aan23433, network performance is extremely slow
[04:03] <clochejm> Aan23433, it takes forever for it to resolve addresses
[04:03] <clochejm> any ideas?
[04:03] <Aan23433> clochejm, hmm.. sorry.. I am a n00b..
[04:04] <clochejm> does anyone else notice slow resolving of addresses
[04:04] <joshua__> Hey, I'm having a couple of problems with my brand-new Ubuntu install.  During bootup, I get several Hotplug FATAL ERRORS (for modules pciehp and shpchp).  Then, when I go to shutdown, my box hangs at the "Sent ACPI_turn_off command" (or something similar).  I have a feeling these two problems are related.  Anyone have any ideas how to fix these?
[04:05] <TheMuso> THe modules pciehp and shpchp are nothing to worry about. However, I don't think the module failure messages are supposed to come up.
[04:05] <Aan23433> hmm.. i think your box is working properly..
[04:06] <Aan23433> acpi off command should normally turn off your computer..without having to reach for the power switch..
[04:06] <Aan23433> as long as all modules and mounts are unmounted, I think you should be safe.
[04:06] <Aan23433> fyi, I got the exact error messages..
[04:06] <TheMuso> joshua__: What is your motherboard?
[04:07] <clochejm> once my downloads start I'm at 4000K/sec... but it takes forever for a website to load
[04:07] <clochejm> any ideas?
[04:07] <paulproteus> clochejm: Your DNS servers are flaky.
[04:07] <paulproteus> Try on a command line:
[04:07] <paulproteus> host asheesh.org
[04:07] <clochejm> how do I fix that?
[04:07] <paulproteus> See how long it takes.
[04:07] <paulproteus> What ISP do you use?
[04:08] <clochejm> it came back fast
[04:08] <clochejm> Road Runner Business Class
[04:08] <clochejm> it resolved quickly
[04:08] <paulproteus> Hmm.  Usually that's a symptom of bad DNS.
[04:08] <paulproteus> Well, what browser are you using?
[04:08] <paulproteus> And have you tried using a different one?
[04:08] <clochejm> firefox
[04:08] <Aan23433> joshua, any new solutions for usb wifi problems?
[04:08] <clochejm> I tried mozilla and it was the same
[04:09] <ushooz> clochejm, you know what your DNS sever should be set to?
[04:09] <TheMuso> clochejm: What about using an FTP client?
[04:09] <paulproteus> clochejm: Perhaps you should try adding this to your DNS servers list:
[04:09] <paulproteus> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:09] <clochejm> I haven't tried any FTP
[04:09] <paulproteus> That's from the University of Rochester, and it's fairly fast.
[04:09] <clochejm> where is the master list?
[04:09] <joshua__> TheMuso, I have a Epox 8k3a mainboard
[04:09] <ushooz> clochejm, look at /etc/resolv.conf
[04:10] <clochejm> ushooz, thanks
[04:10] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> question : how is ubuntu going to cover the costs of sending out so many free cds
[04:10] <TheMuso> joshua__: Are you running the latest kernel?
[04:10] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> no hidden costs right ?
[04:10] <nitin2> ubuntu must make some ati drivers for r300 chipsets
[04:10] <nitin2> ati's SUCK
[04:10] <joshua__> i'm running whichever one came with the final release today, <IP_ADDRESS> i think?
[04:10] <TheMuso> Fart-Doh-Ruh: A large number of pressed CDs doesn't usually cost much.
[04:10] <Aan23433> let's see, you can get CDR's for peanuts... postage would suck...
[04:11] <joshua__> Aan23433, if they send it as a nonprofit postage would be very cheap
[04:11] <paulproteus> Canonical Software, Incorporated (-:
[04:11] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> TheMuso, interested to order quite a big number so that we can pass them around during freesoftware day next year in Malaysia
[04:11] <Aan23433> heck, I bought so much free after rebate CDR's from Office stores.
[04:11] <TheMuso> joshua__: <IP_ADDRESS>-16 I think is the latest.
[04:11] <paulproteus> (BTW, is Ubuntu *really* going with the naked-people graphics in the login screen?  It's slightly embarrassing when I tell people they should use this, and then they ask me about that. ;-)
[04:11] <joshua__> TheMuso, that's the one, (<-- duh) :/
[04:11] <TheMuso> paulproteus: No
[04:12] <ushooz> paulproteus, they changed that with yesterdays update
[04:12] <clochejm> ushooz, do I need to restart the network service then?
[04:12] <Aan23433> paul, you call that naked?
[04:12] <joshua__> paulproteus, not in the final release
[04:12] <Aan23433> it's not even soft-core..
[04:12] <paulproteus> I know, they're not really naked.
[04:12] <ushooz> clochejm, should not have to
[04:12] <paulproteus> Though I am looking right down that girl's cleavage.
[04:12] <paulproteus> College-age guys to whom I give Ubuntu often ask, "What's with the shirtless guys?"
[04:12] <Aan23433> I was expecting something more... like triple action.... "black chick covering his boobs, and the white chick's boobs were hidden behind Ubuntu logo"... I say censorship.
[04:12] <Fart-Doh-Ruh> heh yeah that is not naked
[04:13] <fsc> I have a question about mounting.  I can mount a fat32 partition fine, but my user can't access it and if I bring up a root terminal it can't change the directory permissions
[04:13] <paulproteus> ("Ooh, my desktop's loading.  And there are shirtless guys.")
[04:13] <ukasz> strange thing, my XF86Config-4 is written so I should have "1152x864" resolution, and I have "1024x768". Anybody knows how to fix that?
[04:13] <Aan23433> fsc, I had the same problem.. sudo did't help.. oh well..
[04:13] <joshua__> TheMuso, synaptic says I have nothing to upgrade :/
[04:14] <TheMuso> joshua__: Did you update first?
[04:14] <clochejm> ushooz, thanx for your help... that did the trick
[04:14] <paulproteus> ushooz: Oh, good, glad to hear that.  Is there an image of the final one somewhere?
[04:14] <paulproteus> clochejm: What fixed it?
[04:14] <ushooz> paulproteus, it is back to the one before the people ones. It is a generic Ubuntu login
[04:14] <clochejm> adding another dns entry
[04:14] <TheMuso> paulproteus: If you are running Ubuntu, simply update.
[04:14] <joshua__> TheMuso, yep.
[04:14] <clochejm> it must be my isp tonight or something
[04:14] <clochejm> very strange
[04:15] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Waiting for my iBook to get back from repair.  I'm running Debian Sarge here on my desktop.
[04:15] <Aan23433> ah.. ibook..
[04:15] <TheMuso> joshua__: Since it is a desktop, you might want to consider only using apm, which should turn off your system.
[04:15] <TheMuso> joshua__: Unless you want to monitor CPU temps, etc.
[04:15] <joshua__> TheMuso, is there any real reason why not using ACPI would hurt me later?
[04:15] <clochejm> ushooz, do you have the newest firefox working?
[04:16] <adam_> hey guys the Ubuntu Login screen itself, the loading screen, can I change the graphic?
[04:16] <TheMuso> Yeah, go into system config, login screen
[04:16] <ushooz> ukasz, you should be able to change to 1024x768 by changing that in your XF86Config-4 file.
[04:16] <joshua__> TheMuso, it's just weird, because my bios says it supports ACPI
[04:16] <ushooz> clochejm, nope. I use .93 here
[04:16] <TheMuso> joshua__: ACPI doesn allow you to directly monitor your CPU.
[04:16] <baHam> adam_, you dont like that strabic chick, do you ?
[04:16] <Aan23433> adam, are you looking for more "nude" log-in page?
[04:16] <ukasz> ushooz, I did that
[04:16] <clochejm> ushooz, ok
[04:16] <ushooz> ukasz, what gfx card?
[04:16] <adam_> no lol
[04:16] <ukasz> nvidia
[04:17] <adam_> non-nude preferable, something more like my desktop
[04:17] <joshua__> okay, i'll give it a shot.  how do i turn off acpi?
[04:17] <adam_> lol
[04:17] <TheMuso> joshua__: Yeah, but the kernel doesn't have proper support for turning the system off it seems.
[04:17] <ushooz> ukasz, are you using the nvidia accelerated drivers?
[04:17] <ukasz> yes
[04:17] <baHam> I thing that on the next update there will be chicks anymore..
[04:17] <ushooz> or the default XFree drivers
[04:17] <ushooz> ukasz, ok add this line
[04:17] <baHam> like everybody who got ubuntu doesnt like it
[04:17] <ukasz> and I have hardware accel
[04:17] <adam_> and i'm not talking about the login screen, talking about hte loading screen.
[04:18] <meff> adam_: its all in the wiki faq
[04:18] <Aan23433> the white guy covering his mammary glands is really funny.. I mean jesus, he's a guy.
[04:18] <ushooz> ukasz, under the section monitor add this
[04:18] <ushooz>         Option          "IgnoreEDID" "1"
[04:18] <ukasz> kk
[04:18] <ukasz> what does it do?
[04:18] <baHam> Aan23433, right, right
[04:19] <ushooz> the closed source nvidia drivers tries to read what your monitor is cable off and it guesses wrong sometimes
[04:19] <baHam> Aan23433, I dont thing he is a guy.. he looks more like an alien
[04:19] <ushooz> off = of
[04:19] <Aan23433> ah.. the jokes of uber-geeks..
[04:19] <paulproteus> I'm going to teach a mini course at JHU, student to student.  I want to teach Windows users to convert to Ubuntu and learn to love Linux on their desktops.  Any ideas for a course title?  (And/or, any suggestions on what all to teach?  I haven't been a Windows user for years....)
[04:19] <Aan23433> are all geeks closet-type gays?
[04:19] <paulproteus> Aan23433: ?
[04:20] <ushooz> paulproteus, that is a tall order :)
[04:20] <djempak> hey, the only thing that matters is if the ladies like the guy
[04:20] <lejeunefille> paulproteus: i suggest you use something more stable than ubuntu for that class
[04:20] <lejeunefille> how about
[04:20] <Aan23433> paulproteus, Linux Demystified.
[04:20] <paulproteus> Stable in what way?
[04:20] <paulproteus> ushooz: Well, I have three weeks to teach it.
[04:20] <baHam> paulproteus, what is "JHU" ? University of ?
[04:20] <Aan23433> seriously... three weeks to teach linux..
[04:20] <Aan23433> good luck..
[04:20] <lejeunefille> The idiots guide to How to better clean Windows
[04:21] <lejeunefille> ubuntu is not stable yet
[04:21] <paulproteus> Aan23433: Enough to get them on their feet, at least.
[04:21] <lejeunefille> very buggy
[04:21] <Aan23433> I think Knoppix or even Lindows might be a better choice.
[04:21] <lejeunefille> yep
[04:21] <paulproteus> lejeunefille: Oh, I hadn't realized.  I've only used it a little.
[04:21] <paulproteus> What kind of bugs does it have?
[04:21] <baHam> paulproteus, the point is to convert them, not to find a proper title..
[04:21] <TheMuso> lejeunefille: It may be buggy for you, but may not be for others.
[04:21] <adam_> Are there websites that have alternate themes for login and splash screens?
[04:21] <paulproteus> baHam: Well, I must have a good title if they're to sign up (-;
[04:21] <Aan23433> 'get on their feet' -dealing with text installer and trying to repartition your hard drive... while trying to setup your network, printer, etc.
[04:21] <baHam> paulproteus, you are teaching in which uni ?
[04:22] <paulproteus> adam_: kde-look.org and deviantart.org have backgrounds, at least.
[04:22] <paulproteus> Johns Hopkins University.  A general university with a school of engineering and arts & sciences school.
[04:22] <lejeunefille> TheMuso: its called debian i don't use knock offs
[04:22] <baHam> adam_, gnome-look.org
[04:22] <baHam> adam_, and art.gnome.org
[04:22] <paulproteus> I'm just a student, but we can teach mini-courses over Intersession.
[04:22] <ushooz> gnome-look.org does too as well as art.gnome.org
[04:22] <baHam> paulproteus, yea, in which uni ?
[04:22] <Aan23433> paul, do you get a credit for that?
[04:22] <ushooz> doh, baHam :)
[04:22] <paulproteus> Johns Hopkins University.  www.jhu.edu ;)
[04:22] <ushooz> beat me to it
[04:23] <baHam> ushooz, I've been using art.gnome.org like since I was 12
[04:23] <Aan23433> Johns Hopkins U is a very prestigious undergrad and medical school..
[04:23] <paulproteus> Aan23433: No, but you get to feel really happy with your computer at the end ;-)
[04:23] <baHam> ushooz, ;>
[04:23] <ushooz> I have been using it for awhile myself
[04:23] <baHam> anybody from virginia in here?
[04:23] <Aan23433> I download like every single releases but have yet to make the switch.. I am not smart enough, me figures.
[04:23] <ushooz> I was bummed when it was down for so long with gnome.org was hacked
[04:24] <paulproteus> So is the consensus that Ubuntu is too buggy to use for new Windows converts?
[04:24] <TheMuso> paulproteus: No way
[04:24] <Aan23433> paul, I agree..
[04:24] <Aan23433> try installing on different computers..
[04:24] <paulproteus> It seems virtually everything can be configured from the GUI.
[04:24] <baHam> I'd say no..
[04:24] <Aan23433> tried on two separate machines...both had serious issues that prevented me from using it on a day to day basis..
[04:24] <paulproteus> And I'm very proficient at Linux installs, so I can help them get it on if that's the need.
[04:24] <paulproteus> When people say "yes" or "no", do they mean "yes, use it" or "yes, it's too buggy"?
[04:24] <baHam> I converted like 20-30 people in italy to ubuntu.. I helped them, but they got everything working so they are very glad.. and I am too
[04:24] <lejeunefille> ha whatever noob
[04:24] <TheMuso> andy__: Perhaps if it were using a 2.4 kernel you may have not had problems? How old are those machines?
[04:25] <TheMuso> paulproteus: Yes use Ubuntu
[04:25] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Okay.  Then I will! :-)
[04:25] <Aan23433> well, I still lean towards Knoppix or Gnoppix...more out of box software...and better hardware compatibility..
[04:25] <TheMuso> But knoppix uses KDE.
[04:25] <baHam> the only thing that is weird is that the packages are old..
[04:26] <ushooz> grr. I got to write a letter of move out of my flat. Jacked up the price and it is not worth it for this little place
[04:26] <paulproteus> I want to give the non-techies a compelling, "This does everything I want and looks consistent" feel.
[04:26] <Aan23433> But I think first time linux users would prefer KDE over Gnome.
[04:26] <baHam> xfce 4.0 instead of 4.1 , kde 3.2 instead of 3.3 , xfree insteal of xorg
[04:26] <TheMuso> andy__: What makes you think so?
[04:26] <Aan23433> paul, BUT, you need to constantly browse through hundreds of docs... "man this and man that" "vi this and that"..
[04:26] <TheMuso>  Sorry Aan23433 What makes you think so
[04:26] <baHam> Aan23433, no, when I started, I started with kde.. I changed after 10 minutes to gnome..
[04:27] <Aan23433> wow..
[04:27] <ushooz>  enjoy KDE
[04:27] <Aan23433> I perseonally like gnome...feels more robust.. more minimalist...
[04:27] <TheMuso> Ubuntu may not have much now, but give it a release or two and it will be up with the top distros in terms of configurability.
[04:27] <baHam> I personaly prefer the tty
[04:27] <Aan23433> BUT, KDE feels more like Windows interface.
[04:27] <baHam> hehe
[04:27] <ushooz> Aan23433, I agree
[04:27] <defendguin> punkass, you around?
[04:28] <TheMuso> Aan23433: You may as well use Windows then if you want it to feel like Windows.
[04:28] <ushooz> Gnome feels more like a Mac to me :)
[04:28] <Aan23433> themuso, no..i don't like windows..
[04:28] <TheMuso> Well that is a good thing. I tend to agree with that ushooz
[04:28] <Aan23433> just spend five hours YESTERDAY reinstalling my Windows XP for the nth time.
[04:28] <asdf_46> Has anyone had trouble with apt pausing when it is downloading things?
[04:28] <iminj> Hi, I'm a NOOB. I just installed 4.1. My sound card (soundblaster 16) isn't recognized. Is there a utility in ubuntu to help it find the card, and configure it?
[04:29] <TheMuso> Would that be an ISA card iminj?
[04:29] <Aan23433> sound blaster 16...hmm... classic..
[04:29] <iminj> yes, ISA
[04:29] <TheMuso> iminj: Would you happen to know whether it is an ISA plug and play card by any chance?
[04:30] <baHam> nobody from virginia ?
[04:30] <iminj> it was plug and play in windows ... so, yes ( i guess)
[04:30] <asdf_46> baHam: sorry, NM here. :)
[04:30] <Aan23433> iminj, why are you using SB 16 on your computer?
[04:30] <iminj> OLD PC
[04:30] <baHam> asdf_46, hm ??
[04:30] <Aan23433> I mean....most computers nowadays post 1998 came with onboard sound...
[04:30] <paulproteus> SB 16 is a perfectly respectable card.
[04:31] <asdf_46> baHam: ?
[04:31] <TheMuso> I agree.
[04:31] <Aan23433> OR, you could just get a supported PCI card for like 10$.
[04:31] <iminj> this is an early 98 PC (dell) with separate sound card, nothing on mobo
[04:31] <baHam> asdf_46, I didnt understand what you mean with "sorry, NM here. :)"
[04:31] <asdf_46> baHam: New Mexico
[04:31] <baHam> asdf_46, cool
[04:31] <paulproteus> iminj: Try:
[04:31] <paulproteus> sudo modprobe sb
[04:31] <ushooz> ukasz, taht work out for ya. XF86Config change?
[04:32] <Aan23433> iminj, in the past, I had good experience with downloading/installing "sndconfig" and using that to detect and configure sound cards..
[04:32] <paulproteus> That should (temporarily) load the driver.
[04:32] <TheMuso> paulproteus: That is OSS. Better to use ALSA IMO.
[04:32] <paulproteus> TheMuso: Oops, you're right.
[04:32] <Aan23433> but sound card must be supported by the kernel a la loadable modules..
[04:32] <ukasz> ushooz, dunno, I need to reboot X first :P
[04:32] <TheMuso> Aan23433: And sndconfig is OSS only AFAIK.
[04:32] <baHam> I have a soundcard built by a farmer.. So to run it, I use both, ALSA and OSS
[04:33] <Aan23433> heh..
[04:33] <iminj> Folks ,,, several good tips there ... thanks, I'll try 'em
[04:33] <paulproteus> iminj: Wait!
[04:33] <paulproteus> Don't try my tip.
[04:33] <iminj> yup??
[04:33] <paulproteus> I'm concerned it might work :-)
[04:33] <iioshius> TheMuso, acpi suddenly started working.  thanks for you help though. :)
[04:33] <paulproteus> Try instead:
[04:33] <Aan23433> I am NEVER gonna buy another single piece of non-linux support hardware..
[04:33] <rskrodzki> crap i forgot how to use irc, Mirc had me too spoiled
[04:33] <baHam> Deer Park r0x :>
[04:33] <paulproteus> iminj: Try: sudo modprobe snd-16
[04:33] <TheMuso> modprobe snd-sb16
[04:34] <iminj> ok
[04:34] <iminj> thnkx
[04:34] <asdf_46> Why doesn't rhytm box reconize mp3?
[04:34] <baHam> I kinda dont feel comfortable with sudo..
[04:34] <baHam> asdf_46, sure it is mp3 ?
[04:34] <Aan23433> anyone here who has switched to OSX?
[04:34] <TheMuso> asdf_46: MP3 support is not in the default install. Get gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[04:34] <ushooz> Aan23433, I have two Macs
[04:34] <asdf_46> It isn't in restricted?
[04:35] <Aan23433> ushooz, running OSX?
[04:35] <TheMuso> asdf_46: No/
[04:35] <baHam> asdf_46, apt-get update && apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:35] <baHam> asdf_46, after editing sources.list
[04:35] <ushooz> I can walk to that machine in a second or open the lid on my other laptop
[04:35] <asdf_46> hmm, ok.
[04:35] <TheMuso> That is if he hasn't enabled universe all ready.
[04:35] <ushooz> Aan23433, what do ya need? :)
[04:35] <TheMuso> already
[04:35] <baHam> right
[04:35] <Aan23433> ushooz, just some comparison between linux vs. osx..
[04:36] <asdf_46> I didn't enable it, the updates for it are too slow in dialup. :(
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, just do that.. or get xmms
[04:36] <Aan23433> I want the stability of *nix + fancy eye candies... tightly integrated and optimized.
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, I, personally prefer xmms
[04:36] <djempak> that's KDE ;)
[04:36] <ushooz> Aan23433, I use linux for fun and servers. OSX when I want to code Java or write or be creative and need a machine to just work without much thinking
[04:36] <Rene_S> I use Muir, a mono-xine music player works ok
[04:36] <baHam> asdf_46, you know, I'm an old type nerd.. pine, xmms, xine ..
[04:37] <asdf_46> baHam: I use rhytmbox for the searching features.
[04:37] <Aan23433> ushooz, ic... seriously, my next computer might be a powerbook.
[04:37] <TheMuso> And rhythmbox uses Gstreamer.
[04:37] <asdf_46> yup
[04:37] <ushooz> Aan23433, If you can afford it I reco it
[04:37] <baHam> asdf_46, just get that package
[04:37] <Aan23433> So you can techinically run all the open source stuff on OSX?
[04:37] <iioshius> Question:  do I remember correctly that Ubuntu can't read NTFS partitions out of the box?  What do I need to install to make this happen?
[04:37] <djempak> yeah, you can use xine in RhythmBox also IIRC
[04:37] <baHam> asdf_46, just download the .deb from the web and dpkg it..
[04:37] <ukasz> ushooz, that didn't help. xrandr still shows I have "1024x768"
[04:38] <ushooz> Aan23433, more or less.
[04:38] <asdf_46> baHam: That's what I'm doing now.
[04:38] <baHam> ^^
[04:38] <baHam> I am waiting for an acceptable tool for linux to get stuff on my ipod
[04:38] <ushooz> ukasz, bummer... you might look through the nvidia readme. There are alot of switches
[04:38] <Rene_S> or else you can go to ultra funky and dl all the kdelibs and use kaffeine, i use that for movies instead of Totem
[04:38] <Aan23433> asdf_46, I recommend just sticking with apt-get... you might spend more time trying to get all the needed packages (due to dependency stuff).
[04:38] <fsc> ioslipstream: ubuntu can read NTFS out of the box
[04:38] <Rene_S> works for music too
[04:38] <TheMuso> iioshius: NTFS is supported, but only read-only.
[04:38] <ushooz> ukasz, so you want 1152x864 and not 1024x768
[04:39] <asdf_46> I don't see it, shouldn't it br in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gstreamer/ ?
[04:39] <ukasz> yes
[04:39] <iioshius> TheMuso: okay, I thought that might be the case.  Must be losing my mind these days.
[04:39] <ukasz> It always workes on slack
[04:39] <baHam> asdf_46, it wont break
[04:40] <ushooz> ukasz, ah. I reco the readme
[04:40] <Aan23433> ushooz, does having only one mouse button really hurt mac usage?
[04:40] <ushooz> Aan23433, I got use to it on my Powerbook but I have a Wireless scroll mouse on my Desktop Mac
[04:41] <Aan23433> hmm... one mouse button.. damn, I need like five buttons including scroll..
[04:41] <Aan23433> :)
[04:41] <ushooz> Aan23433, I am waiting for a quality bluetooth mouse for the laptop
[04:42] <icu> What gui configuration utilities are there included with ubuntu for nfs.
[04:42] <Dashiva> anyone know what a joystick maps to when you plug it into ubuntu
[04:43] <TheMuso> icu: You can directly mount NFS volumes from GNOME I think.
[04:43] <ushooz> Aan23433, I have had good luck with my bluetooth mac keyboard and microsoft wirless mouse
[04:43] <Despair> Dashiva: /dev/input/event* and /dev/input/js*
[04:43] <Aan23433> despair, btw, where does usb palm pilot would link to in terms of /dev?
[04:44] <Despair> Aan23433: no idea
[04:44] <Dashiva> thx
[04:44] <Aan23433> anyone? :)
[04:44] <icu> TheMuso: I want to setup what exports there are. Cause i've done it manually as i've done on other linux boxes and restarted the kernel server but when I go to connect from other computers as i've done before it says connection refused.
[04:44] <Aan23433> anyone here who uses Palm pilot with linux desktop?
[04:44] <iioshius> does anyone know if it's possible to give Evolution Bayesian spam filtering (like in Thunderbird)?  I like Ev, but I get too much spam to try and filter it manually...
[04:45] <jdub> icu: no gui tools for setting up nfs exports. just edit /etc/exports
[04:45] <Dashiva> k epsxe is tight
[04:45] <Dashiva> playing castlevania at 60 fps
[04:45] <defendguin> oh ubuntu had an official release today?
[04:45] <icu> jdub: this valid? "/       <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>(rw,no_root_squash,sync)"
[04:45] <ushooz> Aan23433, here is my lappys if  you want to see :)
[04:45] <ushooz> http://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/00019.jpg
[04:46] <Aan23433> ushooz, sure..
[04:47] <phin> nice
[04:47] <phin> full release is out?
[04:47] <Aan23433> hmm...large file..
[04:47] <Rene_S> Pretty hairy leg someone has there
[04:48] <Krypt0n> haha
[04:48] <Krypt0n> lappies are cool
[04:48] <icu> jdub: i keep getting mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[04:49] <ushooz> here is more of my junk if you want to see
[04:49] <ushooz> http://home.earthlink.net/~ushooz/DSC00391.JPG
[04:50] <ushooz> little bit of a mess
[04:50] <iioshius> What's the difference between Universe and Multiverse?
[04:50] <Aan23433> ushooz, holly golly, no one's gonna print a 12X10' copy of that pic... maybe 500K file would do?
[04:51] <ushooz> sorry did not reduce the size
[04:51] <ushooz> spoiled by broadband
[04:51] <iioshius> ushooz: nice G5, sure wish I had one of those ;)
[04:52] <baHam> does anybody know when ibook g5's comin ou ?
[04:52] <baHam> t
[04:52] <ushooz> iioshius, yeah, I am a recent Macster
[04:52] <ushooz> iioshius, I hated pre OSX
[04:53] <ushooz> iioshius, plus hated the bubble mac look pre G5
[04:53] <Aan23433> yeah, I had to manage a few pre OSX macs..and hated it..
[04:53] <baHam> ushooz, iBook kicks asses :D
[04:53] <Aan23433> constantly got virtual memory error..
[04:53] <ushooz> baHam, iBooks are nice but I got the PB
[04:53] <adapt> is ubuntu support m4a default with rhythmbox
[04:54] <baHam> ushooz, 12" ?
[04:54] <ushooz> baHam, I wanted the extras a PB offered me. My Toshiba laptop is stuck at 1024x768 and 512 Meg RAM and both annoy me
[04:54] <baHam> ushooz, 12" or 14" ?
[04:54] <ushooz> baHam, my PB? I have a 15" PB
[04:54] <Aan23433> I am using a IBM T41... only 1024x768 with 512MB ram.. HATE IT.
[04:55] <baHam> ushooz, cool.. right now I dont have much money.. maybe the next pb when it comes out i'll buy it
[04:55] <Aan23433> 1. hate the nipple... 2. too heavy..
[04:55] <baHam> when does the next pb come out ?
[04:55] <ushooz> baHam, after x-mas unless Apple shocks us
[04:55] <baHam> hehe
[04:55] <baHam> cool
[04:55] <baHam> :>
[04:55] <baHam> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png
[04:55] <ushooz> I plan on holding onto the PB as long as possible. Hope the G5 PBs are out next time I decide to upgrade my Apple Lappy
[04:55] <baHam> do you like my desktop ? :>
[04:56] <Aan23433> ushooz, running Suse?
[04:56] <Aan23433> btw, suse and lindows were only distros that set up my wifi USB card properly...
[04:56] <ushooz> Aan23433, I run SuSE, RHEL, Slackware and Ubuntu on various machines
[04:56] <ushooz> I keep up with SuSE and RHEL for commercial reasons.
[04:57] <baHam> http://baham.altervista.org/Screenshoto.png <-- do you like it, guys ?
[04:57] <ushooz> Slackware and Ubuntu for fun
[04:57] <xskoulax> mmmm warez mp3z pr0n me likes baHam ;)
[04:57] <baHam> ushooz, try gentoo too..
[04:57] <baHam> haha xskoulax :>
[04:57] <Krypt0n> haha
[04:57] <baHam> I came back from school today..
[04:57] <Krypt0n> cool wallpaper
[04:57] <paulproteus> Aan23433: /dev/ttyUSB1 or so
[04:57] <paulproteus> but dmesg will tell you for sure
[04:57] <baHam> my dad was browsing
[04:57] <paulproteus> (re: USB Palm)
[04:57] <baHam> with my PC
[04:58] <baHam> and the pr0n folder was right there..
[04:58] <baHam> I was like
[04:58] <Krypt0n> heh
[04:58] <baHam> NoOOoOoOoooOoO (movie style)
[04:58] <baHam> ahah
[04:58] <baHam> he didnt find out anything.. I hope..
[04:58] <Krypt0n> :P
[04:58] <baHam> ghgh
[04:58] <icu> What do I have to do to get ubuntu to allow other computers to connect to the nfs exports?
[04:58] <Krypt0n> baHam: any chance of a link to the original wallpaper?
[04:58] <xskoulax> baHam: i'm sure its not a new concept to your dad, maybe a new spelling though ;)
[04:58] <Aan23433> paulproteus, thanks..will try it later..
[04:58] <Dekkard> im seeing here that the final of 4.10 is using udev instead of dev...?
[04:59] <baHam> Krypt0n, it's made by bizarreSK on deviantart.com
[04:59] <Krypt0n> cheers, i'll search it up :)
[04:59] <Skif> http://www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
[04:59] <baHam> yea, I'm lame
[04:59] <Aan23433> baHam... hm... creative folder name like "system" -> fullforce?
[05:00] <paulproteus> icu: man exports, I'm afriad.
[05:00] <paulproteus> s/afriad/afraid/
[05:00] <baHam> I did it yesterday.. I was like dying of tireness
[05:00] <icu> paulproteus: I've setup the exports and restarted the kernel server but still no luck.
[05:00] <paulproteus> What error, permission denied?
[05:01] <icu> mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
[05:01] <baHam> I am so nerd that I connected via putty ssh to my pc from school.. and ran bitchx and connected to irc.. can U imagine ?
[05:01] <baHam> ahah
[05:02] <baHam> ubuntugeek, master of ubuntuforums.org?
[05:02] <icu> paulproteus: I have no idea, only had this problem since moving to ubuntu from pure debian
[05:02] <baHam> deFrysk, hi ;>
[05:02] <deFrysk> morning
[05:02] <deFrysk> ;)
[05:02] <baHam> deFrysk, it's evening.. for me :|
[05:02] <paulproteus> icu: Portmap is running?   I don't know what nfs has anything to do with rpc.
[05:04] <baHam> Aan23433, and its not moral..
[05:05] <jdub> dudes, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[05:05] <Krypt0n> baHam: wow, that bizarreSK guy has some really nice art! thanks for hooking me up! :)
[05:05] <xskoulax> ok i know from yesterday that i need to add my wep key in /etc/network/interfaces, how do i add it, wep thenthekey?
[05:06] <baHam> jdub, sorry :)
[05:06] <baHam> Krypt0n, yea, I love his artwork
[05:06] <Krypt0n> very nice indeed
[05:06] <jdub> xskoulax: wireless_key s:string
[05:06] <ubuntugeek> baHam: yes :)
[05:06] <baHam> jdub, can I pm you, please?
[05:06] <jdub> xskoulax: or wireless_key <hex>
[05:06] <xskoulax> wohoo jdub
[05:06] <atariboy> who deals with the installer for Ubuntu?
[05:06] <paulproteus> Remote Procedure Call.  It's the service in the kernel that's used to implement NFS.
[05:06] <jdub> atariboy: Kamion, but reports to ubuntu-users would be appreciated
[05:07] <atariboy> jdub: i'm new. what is that?
[05:07] <atariboy> mailing list?
[05:07] <jdub> yes
[05:07] <Skif> jdub: where's that documented?  I don't see it in interfaces(5)...
[05:07] <icu> paulproteus: Hmm, same error when I try to connect to a comp not serving nfs, seems like it just can't connect.
[05:07] <atariboy> isn't there something more optimal than a mailing list?
[05:07] <jdub> Skif: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
[05:08] <jdub> atariboy: for what?
[05:08] <Skif> hrm...
[05:08] <atariboy> filing bugs etc
[05:08] <jdub> Skif: wireless-tools adds a little helper to do it
[05:08] <baHam> jdub, where can I find Dafydd from the Translations team ?
[05:08] <baHam> Skif, /etc/network/interfaces
[05:08] <baHam> Skif, man interfaces
[05:09] <Davey-> lol wow people are on the same topic as I was about to ask
[05:09] <jdub> atariboy: if it's a concise bug report, instead of an install report, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <Skif> baHam: I know, I've been a DD for, oh, 4 years now? :)
[05:09] <icu> paulproteus: what ports does nfsd use?
[05:09] <paulproteus> icu: I think the answer is in /etc/exports.
[05:09] <Davey-> the installer SAYS it autoconfigured yet I cant ping anything
[05:09] <Davey-> lol
[05:09] <jdub> baHam: daf == dafydd, who does indeed come from wales
[05:09] <atariboy> ah. thanks Jdub
[05:09] <paulproteus> I'd be more helpful, but I have to do some reading for tomorrow's class.
[05:09] <Skif> baHam: I didn't see the wireless_key in there, that's all
[05:09] <jdub> Skif: (the imporant bits are here: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools)
[05:10] <baHam> jdub, I need to talk to him.. is he usually on IRC?
[05:10] <jdub> baHam: daf is on channel.
[05:11] <baHam> jdub, sorry.. didnt see him.. I'm tired :|
[05:11] <Skif> jdub: ah, so an entry in interfaces defines IF_$entry, then... good to know
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: pretty rad
[05:12] <Hmmmmm_> anyone unhappy with warty yet?
[05:12] <whiprush> anyone try thom's NetworkManager packages yet?
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: bridge-utils does similar trickery
[05:12] <Rene_S> Cant say that I am displeased with it
[05:12] <jdub> Skif: *really* handy
[05:13] <Rene_S> Does what  I need it to do, wich isnt much anyhow
[05:13] <Skif> jdub: nifty-- you can use that to define all kinds of custom behaviours for an interface
[05:13] <icu> paulproteus: this is one line: /               <IP_ADDRESS>/<IP_ADDRESS>(rw,no_root_squash,sync)
[05:13] <icu> and i'm accessing from <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:17] <icu> paulproteus: any idea?
[05:17] <jdub> icu: perhaps some hosts.allow action for portmap would help
[05:17] <jdub> icu: you've got nfs-common?
[05:17] <jdub> on both machines?
[05:17] <icu> ya
[05:18] <icu> what do I put in hosts.allow for everything?
[05:18] <icu> to allow all
[05:18] <jdub> icu: read the comment right there :)
[05:20] <icu> jdub: i added ALL:ALL and there was no dif
[05:20] <mdz> icu: you need to edit /etc/default/portmap
[05:21] <mdz> by default it listens only on localhost
[05:21] <paulproteus> mdz from flac-dev?
[05:21] <paulproteus> icu: Please add your experiences to the Wiki once this works.
[05:21] <GOwin> hi all. anyone using xfce as default desktop gui?
[05:21] <mdz> paulproteus: the same
[05:22] <paulproteus> mdz: Ah.  Then, hi. :)
[05:22] <xyz359> Hrm, quick question. I want to install totem-xine. Ubuntu though, says that I need to remove ubuntu-desktop. Is this safe?
[05:22] <mdz> hi
[05:22] <icu> k
[05:22] <icu> which section and where?
[05:22] <mdz> paulproteus: now you know why I haven't gotten anything done on flac lately :-)
[05:22] <jdub> boh
[05:22] <Skif> xyz359: yes
[05:22] <Mitario> lo everyone
[05:22] <mdz> icu: just comment out the ARGS
[05:22] <mdz> I'll add something to the FAQ now
[05:22] <xyz359> Skif, thanks for the confirmation.
[05:23] <xyz359> gstreamer just isn't very stable at the moment.
[05:23] <paulproteus> mdz: I'm thinking of teaching an Switching-to-Linux-from-Windows mini-course over three weeks, and having all the students use Ubuntu.
[05:23] <icu> thank you mdz: that worked, such a simple thing but so difficult to find the solution
[05:24] <icu> still need me to add something to the wiki?
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> paulproteus, that's a good idea
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> u can give the ma complimentary copy of the lived CD
[05:24] <Hmmmmm_> so they can practice without installing
[05:24] <TheMuso> Hmmmmm_: Even better, an install CD as well.
[05:25] <mdz> paulproteus: nice!
[05:26] <paulproteus> BTW, is gaim 1.0.2 in Ubuntu release?  Because earlier versions have a security bug.
[05:26] <mdz> icu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/nfs-server
[05:26] <mdz> icu: how does that look?
[05:26] <paulproteus> (And, BTW, Ubuntu is a wonderful thing for the world.)
[05:26] <Hmmmmm_> TheMuso, that kinda goes without saying
[05:26] <TheMuso> True that. :)
[05:26] <Hmmmmm_> paulproteus, good thing they'r getting started with gnome 2.8
[05:26] <icu> perfect mdz, absolutely
[05:27] <Rene_S> woot 2 hours in and nothing has crashed .... so long windows ......
[05:28] <TheMuso> Damn piece of D-Link hardware.
[05:28] <paulproteus> mdz: If you or Ubuntu would like to provide some ideas for the course, I'd be very very happy to discuss it.
[05:28] <paulproteus> I've been using GNU/Linux for half a decade now, so I forget what Windows users want. ;)
[05:29] <LeeColleton> I'm getting this message "psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away.
[05:29] <icu> is there a gnome equivalent to kmenc15?
[05:29] <LeeColleton> the mouse get's jerky when this happens.
[05:29] <phin> mouse jerky?
[05:29] <phin> mmm sounds good
[05:29] <Rene_S> ewww
[05:29] <LeeColleton> I've tried changing the XF86Config-4 line with ImPS2 to PS2 but it doesn't help
[05:30] <jdub> icu: what is 'kmenc15'? a learning tool for vitamin salespeople? :)
[05:30] <icu> a kde front end to mencoder
[05:30] <jdub> dunno
[05:30] <jdub> dvd::rip?
[05:31] <icu> for anything other than ripping dvds it's useless
[05:31] <icu> and even at that it's quite tempermental
[05:31] <TheMuso> Speaking of DVDs, what are the prices of double layer DVDs like overseas? I.E not in Australia?
[05:32] <TheMuso> Blanks that is.
[05:33] <gelfling> hello people ^_^
[05:33] <cothrun> howdy
[05:33] <TheMuso> Hi
[05:34] <mdz> LeeColleton: IRQ conflict?
[05:34] <cothrun> I'm going to dual boot ubuntu with XP, I already have partitions sliced out, anything special I'm going to have to do to accomodate Windows?
[05:35] <gelfling> cothrun, I've done the same on my laptop
[05:36] <cothrun> I should clarify, Windows is already on there...
[05:37] <gelfling> I have a /boot / and swap with /boot as the first and flagged bootable. All went very well for me and the ubuntu install found windows and added it to grub for me
[05:37] <cothrun> ok
[05:37] <paulproteus> mdz: Also, someone reported earlier in the channel is ISA SB16 doesn't get detected, for what it's worth.
[05:37] <mdz> paulproteus: yeah, we don't really try for ISA
[05:37] <mdz> only isapnp
[05:38] <TheMuso> mdz: According to the user, it was plug and play, but that was going by what Windows stated. :)
[05:38] <icu> oh ya to get an isa sb16 working you need to put isapnp=0 in the parameter line
[05:38] <TheMuso> Something tells me that it wasn't.
[05:38] <icu> it was a bitch finding that out
[05:38] <TheMuso> Maybe for a future release, is an ISA bus is detected, that parameter should be added.
[05:39] <gelfling> cothrun: i know there was a bug with grub writing to the mbr regardless of what you asked for on like sounder 7 or earlier but i think thats been fixed
[05:39] <TheMuso> And I am pretty sure that the ISA bus actually appears in the list of PCI items when lspci is run.
[05:39] <Lathiat> TheMuso: the Bus sometimes does, the cards wont of course
[05:40] <paulproteus> icu: Psst, get mdz to put that in a FAQ somewhere ;-)
[05:40] <mdz> put it on the wiki and let it stew for a bit
[05:41] <cothrun> thanks gelfling! I'm diving into the installation right now
[05:41] <cothrun> is this the new debian installer? familiar, yet very slick so far
[05:42] <Hmmmmm_> cothrun, i dont think that's debian's installer's new avatar
[05:43] <gelfling> hmmm, dont know about that cothrun. Its ALOT easier than the debian install though
[05:44] <icu> mdz: how can I edit the wiki says i'm not allowed
[05:44] <gelfling> anyone played with madwifi?
[05:44] <paulproteus> icu: Just create a user account.
[05:44] <paulproteus> Info on the front page.
[05:44] <cothrun> yeah, only the partitioning stuff, its autodetecting everything else
[05:45] <Lathiat> anyone know a program for X11 that will slideshow a bunch of jpgs?
[05:45] <cothrun> of course, I had to go through the partition part twice, as I didn't set a root partition, but it caught that and pointed me in the right direction
[05:45] <paulproteus> It's the new debian installer mostly stock, with some stuff made easier (like sudo vs. su).
[05:46] <jdub> Lathiat: gthumb, feh
[05:47] <cothrun> ah, it detected XP and asked me... heres the reboot
[05:47] <cothrun> (as if you guys wanted a play by play...)
[05:48] <paulproteus> cothrun: I'm not watching the game, so I need some excitement.
[05:48] <tomas99> hi, where do i permanently change the locale vars?
[05:48] <cothrun> hey, looks like XP survived
[05:48] <Zindar> tomas99: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:49] <gelfling> YAY! now you too can run ubuntu or play dawn of war!
[05:49] <cothrun> hey! 2.6 kernel
[05:49] <ukasz> I am setting a font in gvim by menu, (font is Courier 10 pitch), anybody knows the name of that font so I can write this to .gvimrc ?
[05:49] <gelfling>  nifty huh
[05:50] <Hmmmmm_> can we apt-get dashboard into warty?
[05:51] <tomas99> Zindar, it doesn't change them when i type locale in terminal, i still see "C" for each of them
[05:51] <Zindar> tomas99: logout and in again
[05:52] <tomas99> i'll try, but i think i did it earlier and it didnt work
[05:52] <Zindar> it doesn
[05:52] <Zindar> trust me
[05:53] <Zindar> does
[05:53] <Zindar> sorry
[05:53] <tomas99> can i add lines myself to  /etc/locale.gen  ?
[05:54] <mdz> paulproteus: the installer is actually significantly modified in terms of which questions are asked and when
[05:54] <mdz> tomas99: yes, but it's easier to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:54] <tomas99> all it did was to add my character set to  /etc/locale.gen
[05:54] <tomas99> i.e. i only have one line in  /etc/locale.gen now
[05:54] <mdz> tomas99: locale.gen sets which locales are generated
[05:54] <mdz> it doesn't change your default locale
[05:55] <mdz> that's set in /etc/environment
[05:55] <tomas99> how do i add LC_CTYPE etc to  /etc/locale.gen  ?
[05:55] <tomas99> oh
[05:55] <int2004> hello world!
[05:55] <tomas99> so can i edit /etc/enviornment for LC_CTYPE etc?
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> hello
[05:56] <paulproteus> int2004: Hello wrl0d!
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> :)
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> lot of ppl in :)
[05:56] <tomas99> i'm gonna try and logout... brb
[05:56] <RoBBeR_W_M> well gtg... work
[05:57] <int2004> im trying linux seriously for the first time in 4 years, and im choosing ubuntu as the test distro, im wondering if anyone can tour on using the live version for hardware diagnostics
[05:58] <Lathiat> jdub: huzzah, sweet, thanks :) didn't know it existed :)
[05:59] <int2004> take into consideration that my last experience with linux was 4 years ago with corel linux (i think it was debian but not sure, was very very graphical...)
[05:59] <Lathiat> haha i started with corel linux in 2001
[05:59] <Lathiat> not for very long
[05:59] <meff> when hoary opens up, will it be getting security updates at near the same time as warty?
[05:59] <Lathiat> i found my way through redhat to debain in like 2 months :P
[06:01] <gelfling> wowa, it already knows about my wifi card! ROCK!
[06:01] <paulproteus> gelfling: What card?
[06:01] <bronson> I love that the installer automatically picks up the wifi card and installs over it.
[06:01] <bronson> That used to be such a chore.
[06:02] <tomas99> thanks, it worked
[06:02] <gelfling> netgear WG511T
[06:02] <int2004> I was trying to lear linux seen what the future will be like, and it came free with -cant remember" mag on that time, later i downloaded the 1.2, but ended testing a Solaris 8 for x86 and linux was simple left behind...
[06:03] <meff> solaris for x86 is a joke
[06:03] <aitrus> slowaris
[06:03] <int2004> now i feel that its time i catch up on linux, and after seen live distros, Im seriously considering using them for hardware diagnostics on windows Pcs :p
[06:03] <Lathiat> meff: heh
[06:03] <Lathiat> it really does suck
[06:03] <Lathiat> gelfling: hmm your netgear card works? last one i tried didnt work
[06:03] <IEEE234> hi
[06:04] <int2004> totally right.. it sucked BIG time, terrible GUI, iincredible slow, they only good part the one i used had was the FREE Oracle 8 licence we get on that moment :)
[06:04] <cothrun> hey thanks gelfling and all, this was a very nice install, I'm up and running in X
[06:04] <gelfling> Lathiat: well it comes up in iwconfig, BUT i dont have any wifi networks to connect to at work
[06:05] <Lathiat> gelfling: yeh the one i tried woudltn detect it at all
[06:05] <gelfling> WOHOO! glad to hear it cothrun :)
[06:05] <int2004> but business throw me into windows realm for 3 years... and after several worm-virus-XP problems im trying to find my way out to linux :D
[06:06] <int2004> back to the point, is there any app on linux (ubunto 4.10...) that i can use to fully diagnose a PC?
[06:07] <gelfling> Lathiat: I got lucky I guess, I didn't check to see if it was supported in linux, is an atheros card (i think, I could be getting 2 different things confused here)
[06:07] <meff> int2004: look into www.sysresccd.org
[06:07] <int2004> ty!, will check it!
[06:08] <meff> int2004: it has many diagnostic tools and recovery thingies
[06:08] <gelfling> Lathiat: what was the card you tried? was it a netgear aswell?
[06:09] <Lathiat> gelfling: yeh neatgear something
[06:09] <Lathiat> my normal orinoco is fine
[06:09] <Lathiat> just i didnt have it with me one time and tried someone elses
[06:09] <cothrun> hmm, didn't detect wireless, but from what I've read about this laptop it doesn't surprise me
[06:09] <gelfling> only thing I dont like abou the card is no port for pigtail
[06:09] <meff> int2004: as far as diagnostics it dont get much better than sysresccd.. ubuntu live is (iirc) just a live desktop, its not focused on diagnostics..
[06:09] <Lathiat> cothrun: You probably have one of the unusual chipsets
[06:09] <Lathiat> gelfling: heh yeh
[06:10] <bronson> What's the default root password during an install?
[06:10] <Lathiat> cothrun: miht be able to get it oging with one of the external drivers
[06:10] <bronson> My computer crashed and now I need to run "apt-get install -a"
[06:10] <int2004> thats what I wanted to clarify
[06:10] <bronson> But I don't know how to log in as root!
[06:10] <Lathiat> There is no root password
[06:10] <int2004> and i think sysresccd will worht a try :)
[06:10] <cothrun> yeah, its some dell chipset, I read about someone getting it to work with debian at some point
[06:10] <cothrun> but wireless isn't a big deal now, will deal with that later
[06:10] <meff> int2004: however if you install ubuntu there are many diagnostic tools in universe
[06:11] <gelfling> bronson: you dont have one
[06:11] <meff> int2004: but as far as a cd to carry around, go with sysresccd
[06:11] <bronson> Lathiat: there's something.  It won't accept an empty password.
[06:11] <int2004> ty very much
[06:11] <Lathiat> bronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:11] <meff> np
[06:11] <gelfling> bronson: use sudo and the password from the user you made in the install
[06:11] <Lathiat> int2004: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:11] <bronson> gelfling: it hasn't made the user yet.
[06:11] <bronson> It crashed when setting the timezone.
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: Oh in that case youll need to boot of the cd
[06:12] <KeyserSoze> hello
[06:12] <bronson> Flaky battery on the laptop.
[06:12] <mdz> KeyserSoze: which jre are you using?
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: Youc ould just do the install over again, probably easiest...
[06:12] <gelfling> yeah what Lathiat said
[06:12] <bronson> Good lord I hope not.
[06:12] <bronson> It's taken me 3 hours to get this far.
[06:12] <bronson> It's an old laptop with an awful CDROM drive.
[06:12] <Lathiat> bronson: oh well in that case
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: boot of the cd
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: goto the debug console (alt+f2)
[06:13] <KeyserSoze> mdz: the oracle one
[06:13] <Lathiat> mount your filesystem
[06:13] <KeyserSoze> 1.4.2
[06:13] <Lathiat> chroot to it and passwd root
[06:13] <bronson> Lathiat: got it.
[06:13] <mdz> KeyserSoze: there are several 1.4.2 JVMs, and i don't have a copy of oracle
[06:13] <mdz> KeyserSoze: java -version
[06:13] <bronson> Thanks.
[06:13] <Lathiat> bronson: know how to do all that?
[06:13] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: can you send mdz a copy or something?
[06:13] <Lathiat> i assumed your a bit of a technical person there
[06:14] <Lathiat> probably a bad assumption around here :)
[06:14] <bronson> Yeah, it all makes sense.
[06:14] <int2004> well, gotta run, thank you very much for the information!
[06:14] <mdz> fabbione: I'm fairly certain that would be illegal
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: yay :)
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> java version "1.4.2"
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-b28)
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: youll probably have to run the first step of the installer to pickup your ide devices
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-b28, mixed mode)
[06:14] <bronson> The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why I can't log in as root during the install!
[06:14] <Lathiat> bronson: but none of the actual installing
[06:14] <fabbione> mdz: i am not 100% sure...
[06:14] <KeyserSoze> thats what comes with the oracle installer
[06:14] <fabbione> mdz: there were some oracle versions that you could download for free (at least sometime ago)
[06:15] <KeyserSoze> there is a free one you can download and test
[06:15] <mdz> looks like the Sun JVM
[06:15] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: url?
[06:15] <KeyserSoze> yeah it is
[06:16] <bronson> Is there any reason Ubuntu prevents me from logging in as root during the install?
[06:16] <mdz> KeyserSoze: do you get the error if you run simple java programs, or only from oracle?
[06:16] <bronson> That seems very arbitrary to me.
[06:16] <KeyserSoze> haven't tried anything else
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> don't have anything else with me
[06:17] <mdz> KeyserSoze: try hello world, and work up from there
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: ubuntu doesn't have a password on the root account by default
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: this is all in the FAQ; use sudo in your normal account instead.
[06:17] <bronson> bob2: I understand that.
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> but if you look up that error on usenet or google you'll see a bunch of people get it with alot of stuff... not just oracle install
[06:17] <bob2> bronson: if you insist on setting a password, "sudo passwd".
[06:17] <mdz> KeyserSoze: I didn't think Oracle had a Linux/amd64 product; is this the Linux/i386 version?
[06:17] <bronson> bob2: I just don't understand why.
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> they do have a amd64
[06:17] <bronson> (during the install)
[06:18] <mdz> bronson: there's nothing specific to the install
[06:18] <mdz> bronson: you can't login as root because no root password is set
[06:19] <bronson> mdz: but is that intentional?
[06:19] <bob2> bronson: yes.
[06:19] <bob2> bronson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:19] <bronson> bob2: that page explains how to work around it, but not the reasoning behind it.
[06:19] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that's like 3 CD
[06:19] <bronson> I'm asking "why", not "what" or "how"...
[06:19] <mdz> bronson: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:20] <cothrun> does 'universe' roughly correspond to debian's unstable?
[06:20] <mdz> cothrun: yes
[06:20] <Eno_> what is the difference between universe and multiverse?
[06:20] <Eno_> more packages?
[06:20] <bob2> Eno_: multiverse is non-free
[06:20] <Eno_> ah
[06:20] <bronson> mdz: thanks!  That explains why.  :)
[06:21] <LeeColleton> bronson: you can open a console as root during an install by hitting ALT + F2
[06:21] <bronson> Makes sense to me.
[06:21] <bronson> LeeColleton: Not after the computer reboots and the install continues.
[06:21] <mdz> KeyserSoze, fabbione: you set LC_ALL=C and it still happens?
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: yes
[06:22] <fabbione> we also tried with env -i
[06:22] <mdz> that line that KeyserSoze pasted looked like multiple lines joined together
[06:22] <mdz> is that the exact output?
[06:22] <KeyserSoze> mdz: tried all env vars already
[06:22] <KeyserSoze> mdz: its apparently a glib problem
[06:22] <fabbione> brb
[06:22] <mdz> KeyserSoze: you mean glibc?
[06:23] <KeyserSoze> yes
[06:24] <fabbione> re
[06:25] <KeyserSoze> yo
[06:26] <KeyserSoze> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=slrnaj906b.1e8.garrett%40eagle.cs.colostate.edu
[06:26] <mdz> KeyserSoze: if it were a glibc problem, it would likely affect all other gettext-using programs as well
[06:27] <mdz> KeyserSoze: I assume you don't get any warnings when you run "perl -e ''" ?
[06:27] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that looks like java <-> locale problem
[06:29] <witigonen> Hey all.  For those of you that were around when I was asking about my hard drive... I rebooted and it works fine now, luckily.
[06:29] <witigonen> Anyway, I've got some more questions if anybody could please help me with them.
[06:30] <KeyserSoze> sigh
[06:30] <TheMuso> witigonen: Fire away.
[06:31] <bronson> After giving it some thought, I agree with Ubuntu's sudo model.
[06:31] <bronson> I think it's the right way to go.
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: >> It's a issue with the locales not being installed or set up correctly.
[06:31] <witigonen> Thanks, TheMuso.  I guess my first question right now is how I can edit keyboard shortcuts- I have a Logitech keyboard and would like to be able to use the multimedia keys.  Is there a way I can do this aside from using the xmms-itouch plugin, or is that the best way for me to do it?
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i would try to reconfigure the locales
[06:31] <bronson> I just wish that root had a password up until the very last step of the install so I didn't have to reboot off CD back there.
[06:31] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: tell the debconf question to NOT generate any locale
[06:31] <mdz> KeyserSoze: did you try that perl command?
[06:31] <TheMuso> witigonen: I think GNOME has a tool to do it. Not sure where it is though.
[06:32] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: and reboot (yeah yeah) to be sure that none of them is loaded for a mistake or something
[06:32] <witigonen> TheMuso, yes, that's what I remember from FC2 but I can't seem to find it.  I'll keep looking, though.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[06:32] <KeyserSoze>     are supported and installed on your system.
[06:32] <KeyserSoze> sorry
[06:33] <jdub> witigonen: computer > desktop preferences > keyboard shortcuts
[06:33] <ions> anyone know the name of the cursor theme in ubuntu?
[06:33] <jdub> ions: 'default'
[06:33] <KeyserSoze> mdz: yeah no problem
[06:33] <ions> hmmm
[06:34] <mdz> KeyserSoze: where did LANG=en_US.UTF-8 come from?
[06:34] <ions> well I want it for my Gentoo install
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: that's a strange error i saw only once...
[06:34] <KeyserSoze> beats me
[06:34] <jdub> ions: (also, industrial)
[06:34] <LapTop006> jdub: your bluetooth packages seem to depend on libraries not in warty
[06:34] <Rene_S> Im gonna name my first born that -- Default
[06:34] <KeyserSoze> I didn't select that
[06:34] <jdub> LapTop006: they depend on packages in universe
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: can you try to: apt-get --reinstall install locales ?
[06:34] <ions> cool , thanks jdub!
[06:34] <mdz> KeyserSoze: you got no output from perl -e '', but dpkg-reconfigure locales output perl errors?
[06:34] <witigonen> jdub, thanks so much.  Let's see if I can get this working- I never could under FC2.
[06:34] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: and than: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> k
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> mdz: exactly
[06:35] <LapTop006> and I'm on 64k till this evening to the 100MB warty upgrade is bad enough...
[06:35] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: ok that worked
[06:36] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: try to install oracle now
[06:36] <KeyserSoze> trying
[06:36] <fabbione> i wonder if you are unlucky or there is a bug somewhere
[06:36] <Dashiva> i get that installing debian too
[06:36] <Dashiva> haven't been able to fix it
[06:36] <Dashiva> hasn't caused any problems though
[06:37] <KeyserSoze> same error from oracle
[06:37] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: i am not too familiar with locales..
[06:37] <fabbione> but i would definitly logout and login again
[06:38] <fabbione> at least to reset the "counters"
[06:38] <witigonen> I have surround sound speakers but only the front are having any noise, how can I change this?
[06:38] <KeyserSoze> fabbione: yeah I tried from a whole new session
[06:39] <witigonen> I do have a webcam that has a built-in mic plugged in to a USB port... that might be a problem.
[06:39] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: env -i <installer>=
[06:39] <fabbione> ?
[06:39] <TheMuso> witigonen: What is your sound card?
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, nForce2 integrated Dolby Digital 5.1 (Asus A7n8x-deluxe motherboard).
[06:40] <TheMuso> Do you have the ALSA or OSS driver loaded for it?
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, Volume Control is telling me Alsa.
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> mdz: that LANG=en_US.UTF-8 comes from /etc/environment
[06:40] <witigonen> TheMuso, the USB audio driver (which I am assuming is the webcam) is using OSS, however.
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> cat /etc/environment
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> LANGUAGE="en_GB:en_US:en"
[06:40] <KeyserSoze> LANG=en_US
[06:41] <TheMuso> Ok/ What do you have in /proc/asound?
[06:41] <witigonen> TheMuso, there was a item called Duplicate Front in Volume Control that I unmuted (just found it) and the rear speakers are now duplicating the front's sound.
[06:42] <TheMuso> Ok. Does surround sound actually work properly though?
[06:42] <Amroc> GRRRRR
[06:42] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: evn -i LC_ALL=C <installer>
[06:42] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have no idea.  I kind of doubt it.  I'm not quite sure how I could test that.  If you could help to get it working properly, that would be absolutely amazing.
[06:42] <Amroc> lamont, ubuntu hates me!
[06:42] <fabbione> that should kill all possible external environment vras about locale
[06:43] <TheMuso> witigonen: Ok. Do you know anything you can run or play that may give you surround sound?
[06:43] <witigonen> (I'm hearing this high-pitched hissing sound through my speakers when they're not in use, and sometimes when I'm watching movies, this was present even in the Linux installer but not in Windows- any ideas on that?  Lesser priority)
[06:43] <Amroc> lamont, why does it hate me so?
[06:43] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have some DVDs, I think, though I'm not quite sure where I would go in them to fully test it.
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> tried that already
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: dunno.  what are you trying to do again?>
[06:44] <dewey> ok now my ubuntu install will not let me login to it after I tried to get k3b installed so I can burn isos?
[06:44] <witigonen> Interesting, the volume key changes the fade.
[06:44] <Amroc> i think that purple cd you gave me is broke lamont
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> trying again
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: could be.
[06:44] <lamont> Amroc: I have LiveCD image and an install image that I can give yo
[06:44] <lamont> u
[06:45] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: not with LC_ALL=C
[06:45] <TheMuso> witigonen: Regarding the hissing, I think there has been a bit of trouble getting deacent drivers written for that chipset, but I am not sure whether this would have anything to do with the driver or not. How high is your volume turned up?
[06:45] <fabbione> KeyserSoze: we tested only env -i
[06:45] <Amroc> lamont, i tried to install it like 4 times, each time the phiehp.ko and shpch.ko both fzcked up and said fatal errors
[06:45] <bronson> WOW.
[06:45] <witigonen> TheMuso, speaker volume has always been very low.  But, like I said, it's not important, I usually have things playing.
[06:45] <lamont> Amroc: yeah - prolly bad burn
[06:45] <bronson> How did Ubuntu know to put "acpi=off" in by boot params?
[06:45] <bronson> That's impressive.
[06:46] <lamont> Amroc: will get you a good liveCD in any case.
[06:46] <lamont> should even work with your *(^) NIC
[06:46] <witigonen> TheMuso, are you still interested in knowing the contents of /proc/asound?
[06:46] <bronson> Amroc: are you talking about those 2 messages on boot saying "invalid module" or somesuch?
[06:46] <TheMuso> Yes I am actually.
[06:47] <bronson> If so, those appear to be harmless.
[06:47] <Amroc> im not sure what it was, all i know is that both those said fatal error on start up... and it didnt want to work bronson
[06:47] <witigonen> TheMuso, I have: card0, cards, devices, modules, nForce2, oss, pcm, seq, timers and version.
[06:47] <Amroc> lamont, you mean it will sense my net card this time?
[06:47] <lamont> should
[06:47] <bronson> Amroc: so it died immediately after printing those?
[06:47] <bronson> If so, then yeah, that's bad.