[00:08] <jbran> How do I go about deploying a specific point release? Let's say I want to deploy 12.04.0 instead of 12.04.5?
[06:54] <mup> Bug #1492531 opened: MAAS seems to be using old Trusty images <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492531>
[06:57] <mup> Bug #1492531 changed: MAAS seems to be using old Trusty images <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492531>
[07:03] <mup> Bug #1492531 opened: MAAS seems to be using old Trusty images <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492531>


[12:16] <rvr> mardy: Hey. I checked that owncloud plugin works fine, but I can't see VK listed in System Settings > Accounts. I installed the package.
[12:17] <mardy> rvr: do you see the "VK.com account tester" in your applications list?
[12:18] <rvr> mardy: Ah, nope, I didn't install that
[12:18] <rvr> That's why
[12:18] <rvr> Ok
[12:18] <mardy> rvr: yes, accounts are visible only if there's an app which can use them
[12:58] <kdub> rvr, got approvals on the MPs in https://trello.com/c/TgBCQi3L
[12:59] <kdub> also noted the bug that the silo failed on last time in the trello card (if you remember 2 mondays ago, the silo failed)
[13:13] <rvr> kdub: Ack
[13:38] <jgdx> robru, neat new building interface. Kinda miss having to press build twice though, maybe add it as opt-in/easter egg?
[13:52] <Saviq> robru, hey, think you could include field diffs in the audit logs?
[15:10] <robru> jgdx: lol
[15:10] <robru> Saviq: yeah there's some issues with errors not being reported, I'm working on that
[17:33] <robru> slangasek: sil2100: we meeting today? sil's email mentioned laptop problems
[17:34] <slangasek> robru: I assume not unless sil2100 says otherwise or you have something that you need to cover today
[17:35] <robru> slangasek: nah I think I'm good. I'm just doing a couple days of bugfixing before I start the next big chunk of parallelization
[18:37] <oSoMoN> trainguards: why is silo 3 marked failed for automated signoff? I’m not seeing any autopkgtest failure in the reports
[18:37] <robru> oSoMoN: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-003/excuses.html see the ALERT
[18:38] <robru> oSoMoN: so the version in your silo is lower than the version in xenial overlay.
[18:39] <robru> oSoMoN: I guess you need to bump the version & reupload, or if those are the same package, just copy the xenial-overlay one into the silo, that'll satisfy britney
[20:31] <oSoMoN> robru, re silo 3, that’s not right, the version in xenial-overlay (1.14.7-0ubuntu2~xenial1) is lower than the version in the silo
[20:31] <oSoMoN> robru, from what I understand britney is complaining because of the version in xenial-updates (1.15.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>), but I don’t understand why it would do that
[20:32] <dobey> oSoMoN: because it's newer than your version
[20:32] <robru> oSoMoN: apparently it's in xenial-security https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/1.15.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:33] <oSoMoN> but touch images give a higher priority to the overlay PPA, don’t they?
[20:33] <dobey> not simply
[20:33] <robru> oSoMoN: yeah, in touch images. not when britney is evaluating silos, that's different.
[20:34] <oSoMoN> what’s the point of doing that, if that doesn’t match a real-world scenario?
[20:34] <dobey> needs to change, or we need to be better about ensuring security updates that go to released ubuntus end up in the overlay
[20:35] <robru> oSoMoN: the point of running britney on silos is that it matches how britney is run on -proposed, so it would catch issues that would happen when the silo is published
[20:36] <robru> oSoMoN: in this case the package wouldn't be published to xenial-proposed so this wouldn't come up
[20:36] <dobey> robru: well, it should come up, because the security update should have been copied to the overlay PPA
[20:37] <robru> dobey: but I mean when this silo is published, the overlay package will be copied to overlay without going through xenial-proposed, so the main xenial britney would never look at this scenario
[20:38] <robru> oSoMoN: you can ask QA to ignore the failure and test the silo anyway.
[20:38] <dobey> robru: right, but that doesn't change the fact that we're apparently missing a security update in the overlay
[20:38] <oSoMoN> robru, I understand that, but as dobey points out, packages in silos go to -proposed only for yakkety, so complaining about xenial doesn’t seem correct
[20:38] <robru> dobey: the versioning of the silo package gives me the impression that it's the same package?
[20:39] <robru> oSoMoN: running britney for non-yakkety was a design goal, since it was viewed as a bug that publishing to overlay sneaks around britney.
[20:39] <oSoMoN> robru, dobey: yes, they’re the same packages, we’re putting them in the silo precisely because security updates are not copied to the overaly
[20:39] <oSoMoN> overlay
[20:40] <oSoMoN> robru, I don’t mean that we shouldn’t be running britney, but somehow this kind of error shouldn’t be considered a blocker
[20:40] <dobey> oSoMoN: i guess you shouldn't have added the ~overlay1 here
[20:40] <oSoMoN> robru, I’ll ask jibel to override that error tomorrow to proceed with QA validation anyway, thanks for the tip
[20:41] <robru> oSoMoN: yeah if you'd just copied the identical package without changing the version then britney would have said it was fine since it's no-change same package.
[20:41] <robru> oSoMoN: which it's not too late to do
[20:41] <dobey> oSoMoN: it seems it should have just been a binary copy
[20:42] <dobey> not sure where they were copied from though
[20:42] <robru> oSoMoN: in fact I can do that for you now if you want
[20:42] <oSoMoN> but we had been doing that (with the ~overlay1 suffix) when xenial was the devel series, and it never was a problem, in fact it’s the first time I’m seeing this kind of error
[20:42] <oSoMoN> robru, wait
[20:42] <robru> oSoMoN: I've seen this before but I can't remember which packages it was
[20:43] <robru> oSoMoN: munging the version number to ~overlay1 only makes sense if you specifically need to rebuild against overlay PPA contents which might differ from stock xenial. not sure if that's the case here
[20:43] <oSoMoN> no, please don’t do that, it’s not a binary copy because the version in the silo is built against the overlay PPA, which might have e.g. updated media-hub packages
[20:43] <robru> ok
[20:43] <dobey> it's just too bad there still isn't arm64 builds :-/
[20:43] <oSoMoN> it’s coming
[20:44] <dobey> eww


[08:57] <Quique> What is it needed?
[08:57] <Kamion> Quique: as it stands we only have enough resources to support one desktop environment
[08:57] <Kamion> the sort of people capable of maintaining it already know what's needed, I suspect :)
[08:57] <Quique> Yeah, I mean
[08:57] <nimc> crimsun, r u still here?
[08:57] <Kamion> jriddell has some packages somewhere already, although I'm afraid I don't remember where
[08:58] <Quique> Thanks for the info
[08:58] <Quique> Now for something different
[08:58] <Quique> I'm involved in several translation and doc efforts
[08:58] <Quique> I could go a few days to the Ubuntu conf
[08:58] <crimsun> nimc: only for a couple more minutes; I have office hours soon.
[08:58] <Quique> Do you think it would make any sense?
[08:59] <gregburd> Kamion: I found some good information on how to setup FireWire drives as the boot disk on PowerBooks. http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ydl-howto/
[08:59] <will_> are there any privacy features in ubunt? like removing MRUDS?
[08:59] <nimc> crimsun, i followed http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin in order to get dmix to work... it works... but only with alsaplayer and 'aoss mpg321' - do u know other apps that work with dmix ?
[08:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> is it safe to add this in sources.list?: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
[09:00] <Ng> err
[09:00] <Ng> probably not ;)
[09:00] <crimsun> nimc: any app that uses alsa natively will.
[09:00] <nimc> crimsun, u told me that native alsa programs work with dmix... but which programs are native alsa programs ? can i get totem to work ?
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: yes, totem-xine will. Choose the alsa output for xine.
[09:01] <nimc> hmmm
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: note that mpg321 uses libao for its backend, and libao supports alsa natively.
[09:01] <Tolmi> hello!
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: thus there's no need to wrap mpg321 with aoss
[09:01] <Tolmi> does anybody use autofs under Ubuntu?
[09:01] <Kamion> gregburd: hm, they just randomly grep /proc/device-tree for firewire, interesting
[09:01] <nimc> crimsun, i dont see where to choose alsa output in totem ?
[09:01] <Kamion> gregburd: wonder how that works if you have two firewire drives ...
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: for instance, create an /etc/libao.conf with the following as content: default_driver=alsa09
[09:02] <seacyd> The printer (HP 4110) does not print black correctly but uses the colors. Any help to use the black catridge as well?
[09:02] <gregburd> Kamion: yeah, I saw that too.  clearly there is work to be done.
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: if you do that, ogg123 and mpg321 will both use alsa natively
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: gotta scoot.
[09:02] <nimc> thanks
[09:02] <nimc> any idea about totem?
[09:02] <Kamion> gregburd: and the yaboot.conf they quote doesn't quite match that, either ... I think I need to get a firewire disk of my own to test
[09:02] <nimc> i dont see command line option or gui option for alsa ?
[09:03] <gregburd> Kamion: thankfully, they are inexpensive.
[09:04] <GammaRay> nimc: ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[09:04] <nimc> thanks... i'll try
[09:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> If Ubuntu does not start having support for Debian repositories people are going to stop using it.  Alot of things that are needed are in Debian, but only old versions are in Universe
[09:05] <bsm117532> WRT DTML scripting on your wiki...
[09:05] <bsm117532> It was mentioned that one can write a DTML script to "delete all wiki pages".
[09:05] <nimc> GammaRay, many options there... do u know what i should modify ?
[09:05] <mjr> Ruffian|JANE|, or not
[09:05] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: the newer version will be in hoary
[09:05] <dialtone> hi
[09:05] <bsm117532> Note that one can write a perl script, using only HTTP GET/POST to do the *same thing*
[09:06] <dialtone> I've got some problems with sed in hoary
[09:06] <lamont_r> dialtone: see /topic
[09:06] <dialtone> oh sry
[09:06] <GammaRay> nimc: I'll bet audio.driver
[09:06] <bsm117532> python scripts are added to the ZODB and these can be accessed by DTML.
[09:06] <GammaRay> nimc: I know that can be set to esd.. maybe it can be set to alsa also
[09:06] <will_> i have a problem with updating to the latest packages with synaptic can someone help me?
[09:07] <bsm117532> So enabling DTML does not open any more security holes than are available to a person armed with perl and HTTP GET.
[09:07] <nimc> GammaRay, right now i have: #audio.driver:auto
[09:07] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: more to the point, there are different libraries, and mix-n-match is known to be "fraught with peril"
[09:07] <nimc> to uncomment and use :alsa ?
[09:07] <nimc> audio.driver:alsa
[09:07] <nimc> ?
[09:07] <GammaRay> yep
[09:07] <nimc> thanks.. trying
[09:08] <GammaRay> I think I once used oss there
[09:08] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: "latest crack" is inconsitant with "production ready"
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> All I want is the latest version of gDesklets, but only a way old version is in Universe
[09:09] <will_> please?
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> and I need gDesklets
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> and its not compiling from scratch
[09:09] <Tolmi> will_ What is your problem in details?
[09:10] <will_> Tolmi: will u have a look in #flood?
[09:10] <nimc> GammaRay, it didnt work.... i should tell it to use dmix too somehow maybe? for alsaplayer i need to use: alsaplayer -o alsa -d plug:dmix
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: you *need* gdesklets ? I thought they were just eye candy ?
[09:11] <will_> Tolmi: its about updating sed (4.1.2-2)
[09:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> thoreauputic, it does multiple things, depending on which pluggin you use
[09:12] <nimc> this maybe ? #audio.alsa_front_device:plug:front:0
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> wow
[09:12] <Faust> has anybody ever heard of a ATI rage 128?
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu is on a 1.8G partition
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> and has 68M free after install
[09:12] <thoreauputic> OK. I just find it interesting that someone would actually _need_ them...
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> just wow.
[09:12] <cyrus-tc> Faust, old
[09:12] <Kamion> hoary universe has the current version of gdesklets
[09:12] <Faust> can't believe no one has!! wow
[09:12] <Tolmi> will_ are you using the stable branch?
[09:13] <will_> Tolmi: strange huh, i found the file /usr/share/info/sed.info WITH a .gz ending and two others
[09:13] <will_> Tolme: no its hoary :)
[09:13] <will_> Tolmi even
[09:13] <Faust> oiagan gringos de mierda
[09:14] <Tolmi> will_ okay I see now
[09:14] <Tolmi> :)
[09:14] <will_> Tolmi: sorry did not see the topic in this room!!!!
[09:14] <will_> tolmi: they say: Yes, sed is broken in Hoary, it'll be fixed soon
[09:14] <Tolmi> will_ ok continue in #flood
[09:15] <Ruffian|JANE|> god I cant wait for hoary!
[09:15] <GammaRay> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm here
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: you can dist-upgrade to it now, if you wish
[09:16] <Ruffian|JANE|> hmmm, tempting, but I dont want to break my box
[09:16] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|:it will be good :) i like some of the new features - truely idiot proof
[09:17] <lamont_r> will_: nah - idiots will still add debian sources and wonder why strange things happen.
[09:17] <nimc> GammaRay, i doesnt work... i notice that afterwards it automatically restore audio.driver=auto and plug:front when i change them...
[09:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_, what does it add?
[09:18] <GammaRay> nimc: maybe you have to add a xine alsa plugin?
[09:18] <xukun> Ruffian|JANE|: I have done it on two pc's without any problems
[09:18] <nimc> there is OSS device there, is it relevant?
[09:18] <nimc> hm
[09:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> what are the steps involed in upgrading?
[09:19] <xukun> Ruffian|JANE|: easy. change every warty in sources.list to hoary
[09:19] <xukun> then apt-get update and dist-upgrade. that worked for me
[09:20] <Bader> hi
[09:20] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: few nicer, easier way to do things (for some) like configure boot through the GUI
[09:20] <will_> too many to say!
[09:20] <xukun> Bader: hi Bader
[09:21] <Faust> ATENITON ATTENTION READ ALLA ABOUT IT APT_GET DIST_UPGRADE UPGRADES
[09:21] <Faust> read all about in man apt-get
[09:21] <will_> lamont_r: i have no problems with most debian packages, even in hoary! (but i choose carefully!!!)
[09:21] <nimc> GammaRay, goggle doesnt seem to return interesting results for: totem alsa
[09:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok, im gonna upgrade to hoary - anyone want to help me?
[09:21] <genghis> evening... problem with wifi and WEP.  network card works fine unencrypted, can't find an interface to set up wlan-specific options in the gui, and iwconfig, when set, just gets overridden by some other process.  any clues?
[09:22] <Bader> I just did an agg, but sed reconfigration crash on sed configuration failure !
[09:22] <Faust> go into su
[09:22] <beezly> duck and cover guys... they're upgrading to hoary!
[09:22] <Faust> apt-get update
[09:22] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: you cant go back once u have done it: its re-install and its not stable at all btw
[09:22] <Bader> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[09:22] <Bader> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[09:22] <Faust> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:22] <Faust> easy as pie
[09:22] <beezly> Bader, there's already a fix for that in debian
[09:22] <will_> Bader: its known, they are working on it :)
[09:22] <beezly> Bader: it will get into hoary tonight I would guess
[09:22] <Bader> cool :)
[09:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_ ok I wont then
[09:23] <Bader> is it in the ubuntu bugzilla?
[09:23] <beezly> yep
[09:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im waiting for the final release
[09:23] <beezly> Ruffian|JANE|: see you in 5 months then? ;)
[09:23] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: i have had a few issues, but if your system is not mission-critical, go for it and help find bugs :)
[09:23] <beezly> I haven't had any showstopper bugs hit me in hoary yet.
[09:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_, I am afraid!
[09:24] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: dont be afraid! put it on another pc then!
[09:24] <beezly> but it's the "yet" that is slightly more inevitable in hoary at the moment!
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: back up your data: worst that can happen is you have to reinstall (heheh)
[09:24] <will_> exactly
[09:25] <Ruffian|JANE|> ill just wait for final release
[09:25] <Ruffian|JANE|> makes more sence to me
[09:25] <Faust> dist-upgrade is pretty safe
[09:25] <Faust> I'e done it a few times in debian and O only had to reinstall xfree86 after one upgrade
[09:25] <Faust> pretty easy
[09:25] <Managu> genghis: computer -> system configuration -> networking
[09:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> does anyone know of a good app launcher that is full of eye candy?
[09:26] <genghis> anyone know how to configure a wlan card with wep in ubuntu?  FAQ says use the GUI widget but it has no settings save for IP address/subnet
[09:26] <genghis> Managu: nothing there except ifconfig-equivalents
[09:26] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: one big benefit i forgot......five characters: X.ORG
[09:26] <Faust> so nobody is using macs?
[09:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> Faust, im running YDL on mine cuz Ubuntu was not supported
[09:26] <will_> beats xfreeeeeee
[09:27] <Managu> genghis: ehh?  Mine shows WEP key
[09:27] <Faust> I want to know about accel in debian on a rage 128 card 'cause debian is not quite up to spec for me
[09:27] <Faust> what's your mac model and video card?
[09:27] <TeRanEX> hi, i have a question about the partition manager in the installer
[09:27] <Bader> will_: beezly: i remove the last two line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[09:27] <Managu> Faust: I had a rage 128 based card back in the day.  X supports acceleration for it, iirc.
[09:28] <genghis> Managu: and mine doesn't.. this is H, btw.  4 tabs,  connections, general, dns and hosts.
[09:28] <TeRanEX> i once installed ubuntu 4.10 Pre, and now want to install 4.10 again in a dual boot with Win XP
[09:28] <luc1f3r> Guys, I'm trying to install an NVIDIA driver
[09:28] <will_> Bader: what are you trying to do?
[09:28] <luc1f3r> on UBUNTU
[09:28] <Managu> genghis: well, off on a limb here -- what interface is it on?
[09:28] <luc1f3r> and it says I need to "exit my X server"
[09:28] <Bader> will_: fixing sed configuration problem
[09:28] <luc1f3r> can you explain how to do that?
[09:29] <Bader> will_: now it works, seb128 said me how to fix it.
[09:29] <Managu> genghis: err, scratch that.  On the connections tab, do you have any network cards listed?
[09:29] <genghis> Managu: eth0.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:29] <will_> Bader: will try :)
[09:29] <Managu> genghis: eth0 for a wireless card?  That's sort of odd
[09:29] <Faust> yes, I've id'd r128 and the ATI as the manufacturer in my XF86Config-4 file, it also glx and a a few other drivers in it.  I'm also using xfree86-DRI but I still get ghosting
[09:30] <TeRanEX> in the partition manager, when viewing the details of a partition, you could set a partition to 'active'
[09:30] <TeRanEX> what does this mean?
[09:30] <TeRanEX> and do i have to do it?
[09:30] <Managu> genghis: wonder how it figures out that that's your wireless card
[09:30] <topyli> luc1f3r: logout, press ctrl+alt+F2. do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop. install the driver. do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'. pray for X to start.
[09:30] <genghis> Managu: has worked since the day it was installed - but without WEP until now
[09:30] <Faust> Managu:it's so bad that I had to shut off KDE's "render inside windows as I drag" option
[09:30] <Managu> Faust: it's a really old card
[09:31] <GammaRay> I've noticed that /etc/init.d/gdm restart does not work. Is that true for anyone else?
[09:31] <Bader> will_: then apt-get -f install :)
[09:31] <Chibi> Hrmmm.. Drat. -_-
[09:31] <Faust> that's what I hear, that because it is old that drivers might not be optimized for it
[09:31] <Chibi> I can't boot my laptop now ;.;
[09:31] <will_> Bader: it worked, I used Synaptic
[09:32] <Managu> Faust: last computer I had with a rage 128 card on it was a 486-100.  Couldn't really speak much to speed there
[09:32] <Managu> genghis: well, you might look into editing your /etc/network/interfaces file
[09:32] <will_> i only have an intel 810 built in thing ;(
[09:34] <Skif> oh, good
[09:34] <Managu> wow!  Somebody who reads the topic!
[09:34] <Skif> Yeah, scary, ain't it
[09:34] <[Phaedrus] > hello guys
[09:35] <Skif> Wish I'd read it before I did hoary, but hey :)
[09:36] <rainydaymusic1> hey all
[09:36] <rainydaymusic1> when i send an email locally from myself to myself it gets put in the proper place, but when i use fetchmail it puts it in the default folder rather than the onei have declared in the config files, any idea?
[09:37] <topyli> rainydaymusic1: what's the "proper place"?
[09:37] <topyli> and what's the "default folder"?
[09:37] <rainydaymusic1> okay...the proper place should be $home/Maildir/new
[09:38] <rainydaymusic1> and the default is /var/mail/
[09:38] <rainydaymusic1> fetchmail even spits out a line that says its placing it in /var/mail
[09:39] <rainydaymusic1> the way i have it supposedly configured is, fetchmail grabs the mail, runs procmail + spamassassin, and exim should deliver it to courier-imap
[09:39] <rainydaymusic1> but somewhere along the way it doesn't get to the courier-imap folders
[09:40] <topyli> hmm. i've never seen courier from a very close distance :(
[09:40] <natxo> hi there
[09:40] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: is fetchmail doing the delivery itself?  It's been a long time since I used fetchmail, but it's supposed to be set up where it talks to a (e.g.) POP3, or IMAP server, gets the mail, and sends it to the local MTA
[09:40] <topyli> rainydaymusic1: i'd say it's procmail's fault
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> yea, it seems like its something with procmail...
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: well fetchmail sends it off to procmail to do the filtering and such
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> and i think procmail hands it off to exim, the mta
[09:41] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: mmm.  Why not just hand it off to exim, and let exim hand it off to procmail/etc?
[09:42] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: so reverse it?
[09:42] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: have it be fetchmail, to exim, to proc, to courier?
[09:43] <Managu> I may be just confusing things, but why don't you get it working without the mail filtering (i.e. straight to the MTA), and then worry about the filtering
[09:43] <topyli> i'd say make exim give it to courier, then you'd have to change only one thing :)
[09:43] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: yeah, thats a good idea...haha, do you know how to do it?
[09:43] <rainydaymusic1> right now my fetchmail config is....
[09:44] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: not off hand.  Pastes to #flood if you want
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> poll mail.server.com proto pop3 user
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	"login" password "password"
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	is "josh" here
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	mda "/usr/bin/procmail";
[09:44] <Managu> oh, yeah, I'd definitely change the mda line.  Lemme go look at the dox
[09:45] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: okay, i just copied it from some Howto i was following, thanks
[09:45] <Managu> darn slow internet at this end... I think I've got my wireless card misconfigured or something...  sec
[09:45] <Rob|Linux> Gnoppix is Ubuntu right
[09:46] <Tritoch|L> hi have anyone here tried runnin FAI on ubuntu?
[09:46] <Skif> robertj: not last I checked.
[09:46] <Skif> er, that last to Rob|Linux, even
[09:46] <Rob|Linux> skif?
[09:46] <Skif> Oh nope, I'm wrong.
[09:47] <Skif> Used to be just 'knoppix + gnome', but apparently it is ubuntu now.
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> yea
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> I'm running it now
[09:47] <Skif> So, you had a question?
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> it has a nice boot loader
[09:47] <topyli> Skif: last i looked, they even had the "about ubuntu" menu entry in place :)
[09:47] <Skif> topyli: yeah, it was quite some time ago that I looked at gnoppix
[09:47] <Skif> certainly long before canonical was formed.
[09:48] <Scognito> upgrading to hoary
[09:48] <Scognito> does xorg is istalled by default?
[09:48] <Gwildor_> Scognito, yes
[09:48] <topyli> Scognito: is now
[09:48] <Scognito> good
[09:48] <Skif> weird... I just installed xfonts-dosemu, but xdosemu isn't seeing them.
[09:48] <Scognito> do i have to upgrade with X disabled then?
[09:48] <Skif> Scognito: nope.
[09:48] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: Yeah, I'd just drop the mda line altogether; see if that works
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: do you know what will happen when i do that?
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: it'll just go straight to exim?
[09:49] <Scognito> Skif, after i restart X, xorg will be default?
[09:49] <Managu> well, theoretically...
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> hehe
[09:49] <Skif> Scognito: Wonderful thing about *nix: if a file is open (say, executing, like your x server), you can delete it on disk and it doesn't go away until that file is closed
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: giddy up, here goes nothin
[09:49] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: fetchmail should read your mail from wherever, and then open up a local connection to your MTA (exim in this case?).
[09:49] <topyli> Rob|Linux: you want to port the gnoppix boot process to ubuntu? we could use some eye candy :)
[09:50] <Skif> Scognito: yep.  You'll probably want to log out afterwards, but that's not a problem.
[09:50] <Skif> Scognito: you will probably want to put sed on hold, though (see /topic)
[09:50] <Rob|Linux> how top :)
[09:50] <Scognito> yes
[09:50] <Scognito> in fact i'll upgrade sed
[09:50] <Scognito> then the dist-upgrade
[09:50] <Gwildor_> Rob|Linux, no more libra or mepis?
[09:51] <topyli> Rob|Linux: i think the ubuntu Evil Committee of Pretty Booting is cooking something for the future
[09:51] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: doesnt appear to have worked :-\
[09:51] <Managu> can you determine what happened?
[09:52] <luc1f3r> hey
[09:52] <luc1f3r> someone want to help me?
[09:52] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: let me check the read out
[09:52] <luc1f3r> I'm trying to install an NVIDIA driver...
[09:52] <Managu> rainydaymusic1, okies
[09:52] <Scognito> ok
[09:52] <Scognito> sed fixed
[09:52] <Scognito> upgrading :)
[09:52] <Rob|Linux> Gwildor: I never left them I'm more of a Libranet and Yoper , but Ubuntu grew damn too fast for me not to pay attention to it so why not , Knoppix and Mepis I'm still testing
[09:52] <Scognito> crossing my fingers
[09:52] <topyli> luc1f3r: i remember
[09:52] <luc1f3r> any suggestions?
[09:53] <luc1f3r> I ran /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:53] <luc1f3r> and it took me out of gdm, i guess
[09:53] <luc1f3r> that didn't help at all
[09:53] <luc1f3r> basically, it says i need to exit the "X server"
[09:53] <will_> Ubuntu is my first...and probably last distro :)
[09:53] <luc1f3r> and i can't figure out how...
[09:53] <scoon> luc1f3r: are you trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia's site ?
[09:53] <luc1f3r> yeah
[09:54] <topyli> luc1f3r: i've never had an nvidia card
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, i dont think it put it anywhere at all now haha
[09:54] <scoon> luc1f3r: make certain that you stop gdm, and be certain that nv module is unloaded
[09:54] <scoon> luc1f3r: did you try to install the deb first ?
[09:54] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: are you running fetchmail from the command line?
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, ill msg you privately with the printout
[09:54] <beezly> does anyone else see problems with evolution crashing when selecting text?
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, yes
[09:55] <Managu> rainydaymusic1, okies, let's see it
[09:55] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia luc1f3r
[09:55] <bonobo> luc1f3r: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <ogra> hi all !
[09:55] <luc1f3r> scoon: i don't know what the "deb" is, I tried instaling w/ "terminal"
[09:55] <Gwildor_> HI HI
[09:55] <netmonk> hi ogra ;)
[09:55] <scoon> luc1f3r: sorry.  did you try to install it from apt first ?
[09:56] <luc1f3r> scoon: i'm sorry, almost everything sounds like giberish to me, what is "apt"?
[09:56] <scoon> luc1f3r: nevermind.
[09:57] <ogra> luc1f3r: read the url the bonobo bot gave you
[09:57] <luc1f3r> okay
[09:58] <scoon> luc1f3r: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:58] <scoon> luc1f3r: just follow that.
[09:59] <choulth> hi there :)
[09:59] <ogra> hi
[10:01] <choulth> whow, this is... big :)
[10:01] <luc1f3r> scoon: i got this message :
[10:01] <luc1f3r> your XFree86 configuration has been succesfully changed.
[10:01] <luc1f3r> In order to take full advantages of the changes XFree86 needs to
[10:01] <luc1f3r> be restarted.
[10:01] <luc1f3r> does that just mean restart my computer?
[10:01] <Treenaks> luc1f3r: no, just log out and back in
[10:01] <luc1f3r> k
[10:01] <luc1f3r> brb
[10:04] <vinic> hi!
[10:04] <Gwildor_> I think luc1f3r broke his X, he;s not back yet
[10:04] <rradjabi_> scoon: that seemed to work
[10:04] <Gwildor_> vinic, hi
[10:05] <rradjabi_> sorry
[10:05] <scoon> rradjabi_: what
[10:05] <vinic> I've got a problem with mounting filesystem at boot
[10:05] <rradjabi_> this is luc1f3r
[10:05] <rradjabi_> um, weird
[10:05] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, run glxgears, soo how good it works
[10:05] <vinic> my /home partition doesnt mount
[10:05] <rradjabi_> it says name already in use
[10:05] <rradjabi_> k
[10:05] <scoon> rradjabi_: have you checked /etc/fstab
[10:05] <vinic> so I just can log as root
[10:06] <ogra> rradjabi_: luc1f3r is still logged in.....
[10:06] <vinic> yes
[10:06] <vinic> fstab is correct
[10:06] <rradjabi_> yes i see that, how do i log luc1f3r out?
[10:06] <vinic> if I do mount -a, it works
[10:06] <rradjabi_> scoon: do i type that in console?
[10:06] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, he shoulda logged out when yoou restarted X
[10:06] <rradjabi_> yeah, what should I've done
[10:06] <thoreauputic> rradjabi_: is luc1f3r registered ?
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: type what ?
[10:07] <rradjabi_> scoon: /etc/fstab
[10:07] <rradjabi_> thoreauputic: I don't think so
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: that is the file that the kernel uses to mount your drives.  just look at it and see if it appears correct.
[10:07] <Scognito> Get:41 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xorg-common 6.8.1-1ubuntu2 [826kB]
[10:07] <Scognito> ops sorry
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: it is not a command
[10:08] <rradjabi_> okay
[10:08] <rradjabi_> well anyways, i have some icons missing
[10:08] <ogra> Scognito: youre upgrading ? didnt you read the topic ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> scoon: I don't think rradjabi_ was the one with mount problems
[10:08] <vinic> I am
[10:08] <vinic> :)
[10:08] <Gwildor_> hehe
[10:09] <scoon> thoreauputic: yikes.  i am getting confused.  sorry people.  it seems like people are typing all over the place.
[10:09] <Scognito> ogra, yes
[10:09] <Scognito> i fixed
[10:09] <ogra> Scognito: hoary ?
[10:09] <Scognito> i'm an hacker ;D
[10:09] <scoon> vinic: mount problems ?
[10:09] <Scognito> yes
[10:09] <vinic> scoon yes
[10:09] <ogra> Scognito: without having installed it ?
[10:09] <scoon> vinic: have you looked at fstab ?
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: yes
[10:10] <rradjabi_> Guys, when i logged in w/ the new driver installed
[10:10] <Scognito> you mean the problem with sed?
[10:10] <rradjabi_> it has icons missing on my desktop and toolbars
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: it is correct
[10:10] <ogra> Scognito: i'm really curious if your upgrade works....keep us informed here
[10:10] <rsa> i do need some help here please, anyone knows how to solve this problem i have
[10:10] <Scognito> damn!
[10:10] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, such as?
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: if I do mount -a, it works
[10:10] <Scognito> what is the problem?
[10:10] <ogra> Scognito: yep, i mean sed
[10:10] <rsa> RCPT TO<EMAIL_ADDRESS>failed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Relaying only allowed for customers of Tiscali Sweden
[10:10] <Scognito> i can stop upgrading
[10:10] <vinic> as root...
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: the trash can at my bottom righ
[10:11] <will_> rsa: what smtp server are you using?
[10:11] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, wow, that's kinda a bummer
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: the "show desktop" icon
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: do you know why it would do that?
[10:11] <rsa> the one they give to me
[10:11] <thoreauputic> vinic: does your /home partition have  "auto" in its /etc/fstab line?
[10:11] <ogra> Scognito: a lot of packages depend on sed......if your fix doesnt work.....i dont know what happens....maybe nothing...thus i said keep us informed
[10:11] <will_> i have fixed the sed problem
[10:11] <Scognito> ogra, ok no problem
[10:12] <will_> rsa: are you with tiscali?
[10:12] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, I have no idea, just replace them, rightclick on the bar, go to add.....<whatever>, they will both be in that list
[10:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: no, but it never had
[10:12] <rsa> will_: yes
[10:12] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: they show like broken links (icon is a page w/ red x in the middle)
[10:12] <xukun> I,m in a need of seting up a svn, Is there anything that any can help me with?
[10:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: and it used to work
[10:12] <ogra> Scognito: it could also leave you half upgraded though....
[10:12] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, other than what I just said, I have no-idea, sorry
[10:12] <Scognito> no problem...
[10:12] <thoreauputic> vinic: used to? what have you changed since?
[10:13] <will_> rsa: humm it says about relaying, are you using Evolution?
[10:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:13] <ogra> Scognito: probably unusable.....
[10:13] <rsa> will_: yes i do
[10:13] <Scognito> damn...
[10:13] <rradjabi_> Gwildor: I removed, then added, it must have lost icons, or cannot view them
[10:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: today I turned on my computer and refused to boot on my user account, suddenly
[10:13] <topyli> xukun: what's an svn? :)
[10:13] <rsa> will_: i can receive mail thou
[10:13] <will_> rsa: just use 'sendmail' instead to send your emails
[10:14] <thoreauputic> vinic: you haven't changed your user or user info?
[10:14] <ogra> Scognito: Roulette OS  ;)
[10:14] <rsa> will_: i'll try that
[10:14] <will_> rsa: ubuntu has its own email sending capabitlities
[10:14] <Scognito> eh eh
[10:14] <thoreauputic> vinic: or attempted to create a root user or something?
[10:14] <Scognito> ogra, you mean the problem is in "sed" itself?
[10:14] <vinic> thoreauputic: hmmm.... let me check
[10:14] <Scognito> i can make some test to see if sed works
[10:14] <rradjabi_> brb
[10:14] <rsa> will_: okey ... i'll give it a try brb
[10:14] <xukun> topyli: hmm Subversion  is  a  version control system, which allows you to keep old versions of files (usually source code), keep a log of who, when,  and why  changes occurred, etc., like CVS, RCS or SCCS.
[10:15] <ogra> Scognito: looks like, i'm just diggin through the mailing list.....
[10:15] <nimc> anyone knows what is needed to get video-in (ati) to work ?
[10:15] <Scognito> i have to go 10 mins
[10:15] <topyli> xukun: ah, subversion
[10:15] <Scognito> see you later
[10:15] <will_> everyone: sed will be updated and fixed......as for the actual problem... I dont know
[10:15] <vinic> thoreauputic: no i didnt
[10:17] <ogra> Scognito: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3771
[10:17] <thoreauputic> vinic: type id and seeif your user is in the list ( normally would have user id 1000 and group id 1000 if it's your first user)
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <vinic> thoreauputic: no i didnt
[10:17] <rsa> will_: thx alot mate! ;). it works well now
[10:17] <vinic> thoreauputic: sorry... in users-admin UID = 1000
[10:18] <vinic> thoreauputic: ID = 1000
[10:18] <thoreauputic> vinic: you should see a whole bunch of groups your user belongs to
[10:18] <vinic> thoreauputic: typing ID, user account doesnt appear
[10:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: but I'm logged as root
[10:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: umm.... you have made a root user?
[10:19] <scoon> vinic: sorry i am having isp issues today.
[10:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: root ID=0
[10:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: but this is very old
[10:20] <scoon> vinic: for what it is worth, my /home is on a separate drive and it gets loaded at boot.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> vinic: of course - but Ubuntu has no root user by default - you have made a root user, have you not?
[10:20] <scoon> vinic: here's how: /dev/hdb1       /home           reiserfs defaults               0       1
[10:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: mine is on separate drive too
[10:21] <scoon> vinic: just use defaults for options.
[10:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: I cant remeber if i did a root user at first or second(last) Ubuntu install
[10:21] <vinic> scoon: defaults options is ok
[10:21] <ogra> bonobo: sudo vinic
[10:21] <bonobo> vinic: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:22] <topyli> thoreauputic: there's always root, with uid=0. ubuntu just disables it
[10:22] <vinic> bonobo: i read that too late! but i did
[10:22] <vinic> :)
[10:22] <seacyd> Any help about setting up a printer?  :D
[10:23] <ogra> vinic: the wiki also shows how to re enable it .....
[10:23] <ogra> hmm...disable...
[10:23] <vinic> but if i did it, it was long long ago
[10:24] <Gwildor_> that bonobo sure is a trickster
[10:24] <vinic> why today ????
[10:25] <ogra> Gwildor_: hehe
[10:25] <vinic> I guess I'm gonna re-install Ubuntu a third time... :(
[10:25] <ogra> Gwildor_: but still helpful
[10:27] <Gwildor_> bonobo, I love you
[10:27] <Gwildor_> no response, what a jerk
[10:27] <Gwildor_> haha
[10:27] <vinic> thoreauputic: no more idea?....
[10:28] <thoreauputic> vinic: thinking....
[10:28] <vinic> thoreauputic: good!
[10:28] <vinic> ;o)
[10:28] <smurfix> Quick workaround for the sed problem in hoary: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst as root, add "exit 0" in the second line.
[10:29] <thoreauputic> vinic: see if your user has an entry in /etc/passwd (  less /etc/passwd )
[10:29] <vinic> thoreauputic: checkin
[10:30] <Mabus> are there fglrx drivers for xorg ?
[10:30] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia Mabus
[10:30] <bonobo> Mabus: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:30] <ogra> oops
[10:30] <Mabus> ati ?
[10:30] <ogra> bonobo: ati Mabus
[10:30] <bonobo> Mabus: for ati in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:30] <ogra> sorry
[10:30] <Mabus> np :)
[10:31] <ogra> same url ;)
[10:31] <vinic> thoreauputic: yes
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: I'm getting 'fglrx-driver: Depends on xserver-xfree86'.
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: I just removed xfree86 and installed xorg.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> vinic: what happens if (as root) you type su <yourusername>  ?
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: (in step 2: 'sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver')
[10:31] <ogra> Mabus: hoary , sorry..... i dont thionk there are fglrx drivers yet
[10:32] <Mabus> ogra: ah, okay
[10:32] <ogra> Mabus: i shot too fast.....
[10:32] <Mabus> then my question is answered :)
 are there fglrx drivers for xorg ?
[10:32] <ogra> yep :)
[10:32] <Mabus> ogra: you're a quick shooter, yes :)
[10:32] <ogra> hehe
[10:32] <Mabus> in 90% of the cases, you'd have answered my question, so good work!
[10:32] <vinic> thoreauputic: I get vincent@PINGU:/root $
[10:33] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:33] <thoreauputic> vinic: well, now you have become the user, so your user exists, at least
[10:33] <vinic> :)
[10:34] <topyli> vinic: give yourself a password, quickly! :)
[10:34] <Scognito> re
[10:34] <thoreauputic> vinic: if you type cd by itself, you should land in your home dirctory, in theory
[10:34] <vinic> topyli: ???
[10:34] <topyli> perhaps you can then log in normally
[10:35] <ogra> Scognito: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3771
[10:35] <vinic> thoreauputic: I do
[10:35] <vinic> but it is mounted... /home/vincent
[10:35] <Skif> I'm not sure if this is a bug or not: I downgraded set to the previous version, and put it on hold, so the rest of my dist-upgrade wouldn't be affected by it.  When I ran 'aptitude dist-upgrade' it didn't respect the hold, but running aptitdue by itself, and then doing the upgrade did respect it.
[10:35] <thoreauputic> vinic: well, so your home dir is mounted, obviously
[10:35] <Scognito> i saw it
[10:35] <vinic> thoreauputic: Yes
[10:35] <vinic> I did it manually: mount -a
[10:35] <Scognito> ogra, what do you think about that?
[10:36] <Scognito> will it stop the upgrade?
[10:36] <ogra> Scognito: i think its worth waiting 12 hrs :)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> vinic: ah , I see - so the problem is you can't log in as your user?
[10:36] <vinic> thoreauputic: but it doesnt mount at boot
[10:36] <vinic> thoreauputic: Yes
[10:36] <ogra> Scognito: to save you a lot of work or frustration
[10:36] <Scognito> o waited so long to upgrade... :/
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: X cant reach ICEauthority....
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: that's the error I get
[10:37] <ogra> Scognito: someone suggested putting exit 0 in the beginnig of /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: because /home is not mounted
[10:37] <ogra> Scognito: but if sed doesnt work properly afterwards...then more will break....
[10:38] <scoon> vinic: what file system are you using for /home ?
[10:38] <ogra> Scognito: so waint 12 hrs to be safe
[10:38] <ogra> -n
[10:38] <vinic> thoreauputic: if it can help, i have another problem with mount stuff... I have an external HDD and, at boot, it mounts drives before it is recognized... so they're not mounted
[10:38] <thoreauputic> vinic: change your /etc/fstab to auto for your /home partition then
[10:38] <Scognito> ok
[10:38] <Scognito> btw if someone has a working solution i'm here
[10:39] <vinic> thoreauputic: in options tab?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> vinic: edit /etc/fstab
[10:39] <vinic> thoreauputic: default,auto?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> that should be OK
[10:39] <vinic> ok
[10:39] <ceu> the xmms menu font is too small. How can I change that?
[10:40] <ogra> defaults,auto
[10:40] <vinic> rebootin then!!!
[10:40] <ogra> regard the s
[10:40] <thoreauputic> defaults  I think is  correct
[10:40] <thoreauputic> vinic: the s is important!
[10:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:40] <vinic> yes
[10:40] <vinic> I wouldnt have changed it anyway
[10:40] <vinic> ;)
[10:40] <vinic> thx
[10:40] <thoreauputic> vinic: cool  ;)
[10:41] <vinic> catch you later
[10:41] <kgill> ogra are you always in here?
[10:41] <ogra> kgill: only after work.... :)
[10:41] <wfx> most time
[10:42] <kgill> ogra thank you again for your help yesterday
[10:42] <wfx> orga is the helping bot ;-)
[10:42] <ogra> kgill: everything working now ?
[10:42] <kgill> now another question how can I check for updates for the current packages installed
[10:43] <kgill> almost everything
[10:44] <kgill> Someone else did the install and it had errors during the instal process but they said it was ok aparently not since last night I did a re install and everything is working
[10:44] <ogra> kgill: have i already pointed you to the syanptic howto ?
[10:44] <vinic> :(
[10:44] <kgill> not yet
[10:44] <vinic> :'(
[10:44] <Gwildor_> kgill, use synaptic to upgrade or apt-get upgrade
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, kgill syanptic
[10:44] <ogra> wfx: hehe
[10:44] <wfx> tja...
[10:44] <thoreauputic> vinic: no good?
[10:44] <ogra> wfx: wrong order
[10:44] <vinic> no
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, syanptic kgill
[10:44] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:45] <thoreauputic> vinic: not mounted?
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic kgill
[10:45] <bonobo> kgill: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:45] <ogra> :)
[10:45] <kgill> great :)
[10:45] <wfx> ahh syn.. not san :)
[10:45] <vinic> thoreauputic: not when trying to log as user
[10:45] <Gwildor_> ogra, have to use : instead of , ???
[10:45] <Managu> Is bonobo a bot?  Oooh, I remember abusing dpkg and apt in #debian
[10:45] <vinic> thoreauputic: it mounts if I log as root
[10:45] <Scognito> ogra, what about of holding the old sed
[10:46] <thoreauputic> vinic: what errors are you getting?
[10:46] <ogra> Gwildor_: i dont think so....
[10:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img58.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img58&image=Fluxshot.jpg
[10:46] <Gwildor_> Managu, yes bonobo is a bot
[10:46] <WebMaven> I was wondering why the applications menu doesn't have a 'Development' section.
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: but if i close session then relog as boot, not mounted again
[10:46] <Gwildor_> bonobo, synaptic ogra
[10:46] <bonobo> ogra: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:46] <ogra> Gwildor_: just not mistype the query....
[10:46] <Gwildor_> ogra, , works, musta been a mistype
[10:46] <ogra> :)
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: The Xsession cant reach ICEauthority file which is in /home/vincet
[10:46] <faux> WebMaven: it does, you just need some development apps :)
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: because it is not mounted!
[10:47] <ogra> Scognito: you can try it.....
[10:47] <ogra> Scognito: seems the bug is a missing documentation file....
[10:47] <WebMaven> faux, I added boa-costructor, but no dev manu.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> vinic: so it doesn't show if you type  mount ?  (as user)
[10:47] <WebMaven> s/manu/menu
[10:48] <Scognito> someone told me to do:
[10:48] <Scognito> sudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[10:48] <vinic> thoreauputic: I cant reach a X session as user
[10:48] <Gwildor_> WebMaven, boa-constuctor may be one of the apps that don't make it to the menu automagically
[10:48] <faux> WebMaven: strange, perhaps a log out/log in fixes it
[10:48] <will_> a lot do that
[10:48] <vinic> thoreauputic: error then returns to log screen
[10:48] <WebMaven> OK, so waht would be an example of an app that *does*
[10:49] <WebMaven> ?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: have you tried deleting .ICEauthority ? (it will be regenerated)
[10:49] <faux> WebMaven: monodevelop
[10:49] <WebMaven> faux, bleh.
[10:49] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:49] <WebMaven> any others?
[10:49] <kgill> hey what do you know it worked :)
[10:49] <vinic> thoreauputic: but as I said, I beleive it cant be reached because it is not mounted!
[10:49] <faux> WebMaven: anjuta
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: you have kde apps, don't you?
[10:49] <ogra> Scognito: it depends, if the file is missing inside the package this wont help....but if its a removed file from the disk it would....
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: k3b or something?
[10:50] <vinic> thoreauputic: I did install one
[10:50] <ogra> kgill: :)
[10:50] <vinic> thoreauputic: kppp i guess
[10:50] <thoreauputic> vinic: try deleting .ICEauthority then try again
[10:51] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok, cyl
[10:51] <vinic> ;)
[10:51] <WebMaven> faux, anything for Python?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> vinic: I've seen this happen with kde apps run as root
[10:51] <vinic> oooh
[10:52] <thoreauputic> vinic: .ICEauthority changes, and locks you out
[10:52] <thoreauputic> vinic: blowing it away can fix the problem
[10:52] <faux> WebMaven: i dont know :/
[10:52] <vinic> thoreauputic: I just changed its name, incase of....
[10:52] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok rebooting
[10:52] <ogra> vinic: and dont run any X apps as root ;)
[10:53] <vinic> ogra: why?
[10:53] <ogra> hmmm....
[10:53] <vinic> ogra: vulnerability?
[10:53] <ogra> look at your system....
[10:53] <dot> any idea where I can find a printer installation guide?
[10:53] <goonie> I've got a real newbie problem with repositories in synaptic... can I use a standard debian repository?
[10:53] <vinic> :)ok
[10:53] <thoreauputic> goonie: no
[10:53] <dot> searching at ubuntulinux.org got me: No results were found.
[10:53] <Gwildor_> goonie, you CAN, but you really shouldnt
[10:53] <wfx> ogra, and what is with synaptic :-)
[10:54] <goonie> ok... what if I wanted to set up a repository here in Iceland, what would it take?
[10:54] <Gwildor_> goonie, a mirror?
[10:54] <goonie> yeah
[10:54] <ogra> goonie: a public one ?
[10:55] <Gwildor_> ogra, help him please, I cannot
[10:55] <goonie> I can request a mirror from the same ones that are mirroring portage for gentoo and the standard debian repo
[10:55] <goonie> ftp.rhnet.is
[10:55] <ogra> wow
[10:56] <goonie> the ubuntu buzz is picking up here in Iceland you know.. lots of ppl trying it out and loving it I might add :)
[10:56] <vinic> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[10:56] <ogra> goonie: 98% of the debian packages are available as ubuntu versions.....if you find one missing, just ask at the mailing list to get it in
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vinic: sucess?
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: GREAT succes!!
[10:57] <ogra> goonie: its growing daily .... worldwide :))
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: Thank you so much!
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vinic: you see, .ICEauthority gets changed
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[10:58] <goonie> the problem is that all usage of bandwith from other countries than Iceland costs a lot of money so every package cost some money... that's why we want it set up in Iceland
[10:58] <thoreauputic> vinic: it changes when you  run apps as a different user
[10:58] <ogra> goonie: go on..... :)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> vinic: you're welcome :) Glad it's working again!
[10:58] <vinic> thoreauputic: but that was so stranged when I logged as root, the /home wasnt mounted...
[10:59] <Gwildor_> goonie, basicaly, you want to set up a local mirror for all of iceland, to save money?
[10:59] <vinic> thoreauputic: but, anyway, I've get all my stuff back now! :D
[10:59] <goonie> so if I were to ask the ppl at rhnet to host a mirror... who should they contact?
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> does anybody know when firefox 1.0 comes to the ubuntu repositories?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vinic: hmm... well make sure you don't try to run kppp as root - it should be run as user
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vinic: it's a permissions issue
[10:59] <ogra> goonie: there is a page on www.ubuntulinux.org ...... just diggin.....
[10:59] <Gwildor_> Fator_Dee, tis now
[11:00] <goonie> ok.. thx
[11:00] <vinic> thoreauputic: yeh, but i confused with tkpppoe
[11:00] <ogra> goonie: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror
[11:00] <goonie> by the way.. just switched my laptop from gentoo to ubuntu and man am I loving it :)
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Gwildor_: oh, didn't know that, silly me :-p
[11:00] <Gwildor_> ogra, ubuntu.com is ubuntu linux as well, now
[11:00] <vinic> thoreauputic: that needs to be runed as root to setup
[11:00] <wfx> goonie, both a sexy :-)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> vinic: anyway, now you know how to deal with the pesky .ICEauthority
[11:01] <ogra> Gwildor_: hasnt it always been ?
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: yep! ;)
[11:01] <Gwildor_> Fator_Dee, tis ok
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: did you see my trouble with my external HDD?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> vinic: this is one of the things about KDE that gives me nightmares
[11:01] <Gwildor_> ogra, no, it used to be something else, unless I am mistaking it for something else
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: lol
[11:02] <thoreauputic> vinic: I don't know anything about external hard drives, sorry
[11:02] <vinic> thoreauputic: I come from Mandrake/KDE
[11:02] <ogra> goonie: :-)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> vinic: KDE is fine, but it causes problems when you do certain things like this
[11:03] <ogra> vinic: and its not officially supported in ubuntu
[11:03] <thoreauputic> vinic: I have it here, but I mostly run fluxbox
[11:04] <vinic> thoreauputic: at boot, my external HDD is mounted before it is recognized as device (i guess) so it is not mounted and I have to run mount -a after that
[11:04] <Gwildor_> well guys, work is OVER, hehe, ill talk to you guys later
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> min is just starting
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> :(
[11:04] <Gwildor_> sorry bout that
[11:04] <ironwolf> what, if any is a good audio player that will play itunes music on Ubuntu?
[11:04] <ogra> funny....
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: what do you mean exactly
[11:05] <thoreauputic> vinic: you could try putting  a line that says  mount -a at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:06] <Mabus> I just upgraded from debian sid -> ubuntu hoary without any problems! :)
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: hmmm... interesting!
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vinic: that should run mount -a for you automatically
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: i see
[11:06] <Mabus> I didn't install any of the ubuntu-* packages.
[11:06] <vinic> I'll try that
[11:06] <wfx> ironwolf, hase itune a diffenr audio format? -> for mp3 rhythmbox, muine, xmms, beep
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: can I run Gedit as root???? ;)
[11:07] <scoon> vinic: what flavor file system is your /home ?
[11:07] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: I have itunes on my windows partition, I'd like to play them on Ubuntu.  These are files I purchased on the online music store.  Ideas?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> vinic: just do sudo gedit /path/to/file
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: ahhh
[11:07] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[11:07] <vinic> :)
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> I'm fairly sure you can play them
[11:07] <wfx> ironwolf, is the fileformat mp3?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:07] <vinic> thoreauputic: I understood the lesson
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> tbh I'm not sure exactly how, if they are just mp3s, isntall gstreamer-mad
[11:08] <thoreauputic> vinic: heheh
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> and it should play in totem
[11:08] <vinic> scoon : why you wanna know that?
[11:08] <scoon> vinic: well the round about ? really should be if you built your own kernel or not ?
[11:09] <scoon> vinic: when people do they often forget to compile their root filesystem into the kernel.
[11:09] <kgill> I know alsa stands for advanced linux sound arch. but what is Quicknet?
[11:09] <scoon> vinic: and that has unpredictable results.  maybe like your problem.
[11:09] <thoreauputic> scoon: his problem is solved
[11:09] <vinic> :)
[11:09] <vinic> happily
[11:09] <ogra> kgill: sonds like a marketing invention :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> scoon: it was .ICEauthority
[11:09] <ironwolf> HrdwrBob: wfx: they are m4p files, not mp3.... Totem you say?
[11:09] <ogra> +u
[11:09] <kgill> :)
[11:09] <scoon> i think i am giving up today.  i want to help out but just can't
[11:09] <vinic> scoon: thank you anyway
[11:10] <wfx> m4p is acc right
[11:10] <crimsun> aac?
[11:10] <ceu> what is the real name of the font named "Sans" in gnome? I need that name for .gtkrc.mine
[11:11] <ogra> ceu: it think its: Bitstream Vera Sans
[11:11] <Keybuk> ceu: why?  you should just be able to put "Sans" in there too
[11:11] <ogra> but i may be wrong.....
[11:11] <wfx> cristian, MPEG-4/ACC-encoded
[11:11] <crimsun> wfx: AAC, not ACC.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> vinic: when you edit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , make sure you put mount -a right at the end on a separate line
[11:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: just before the "exit"
[11:12] <wfx> cristian, ok aac (typo is my hobby :-)
[11:12] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: wfx: totem doesn't play them. next?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> vinic: no, right at the end
[11:13] <thoreauputic> separately
[11:13] <seek187> Is sed still broken?
[11:13] <ceu> Keybuk: fontset="Sans 8" doesn't work, the font is too big
[11:13] <jmhodges> hey, could someone fix up the hoary-changes archive? the japanese developer keeps sending mail in a locale i dont have even though i have a utf-8 japanese one
[11:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[11:13] <ironwolf> seek187: apt-get install sed/warty
[11:14] <Keybuk> seek187: yes.
[11:14] <seek187> ok
[11:14] <ogra> ceu: so make it smaller
[11:14] <Keybuk> it only escaped from Debian incoming a few hours ago
[11:14] <ceu> Keybuk: fontset="-bitstream-bitstream vera sans-medium-r-normal-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" works, but the font is not anti-aliased
[11:14] <vinic> trying to reboot
[11:14] <Managu> ironwolf: iTunes music is DRM'd, iirc.  You won't likely be able to play it raw under linux.
[11:14] <Keybuk> ceu: why are you using fontsets with Pango?
[11:14] <Keybuk> font="Sans 8"
[11:14] <ogra> ceu: xmms is gtk1 you wont get any antialiasing there
[11:15] <ogra> ceu: take beep-media-player its xmms gtk2
[11:15] <ceu> ogra: ok. End of the problem :-)
[11:15] <ironwolf> Managu: ok, I was hoping there was a way.  Thanks.
[11:16] <Managu> ironwolf: well, I could always be wrong.
[11:17] <wfx> a bit ot: but how can i rip sound of a music dvd (original :-) to ogg?
[11:18] <joh_> thanks for the CDs! :)
[11:18] <vinic> thoreautupic: succesful again!
[11:18] <ogra> ironwolf: you could buy itunes for linux.....if it hurts too much to not having your music.....http://www.codeweavers.com/
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: succesful again!
[11:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: yay!  :D
[11:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: heh... I'm having a good day ;-)
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: You rock dude!
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: well, can I bother you once more?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> shoot
[11:20] <vinic> :)
[11:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: well, at boot, again..., I got ERROR:FATAL.....
[11:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: it is about hotplug drivers
[11:21] <vinic> :D
[11:21] <thoreauputic> vinic: you can probably ignore it
[11:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: I guess... but...
[11:21] <vinic> :D
[11:21] <thoreauputic> vinic: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[11:22] <vinic> thoreauputic: by the way, is there a readable log of the boot sequence?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> vinic: dmesg
[11:22] <vinic> thoreauputic: oh yeh
[11:22] <thoreauputic> just type dmesg | less
[11:22] <vinic> I forgot this one
[11:23] <vinic> :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ther's a lot of it ;)
[11:23] <vinic> well, you successed three times!!!
[11:23] <vinic> ;)
[11:23] <vinic> good job!
[11:23] <ogra> thoreauputic: yay !
[11:23] <thoreauputic> hotplug tends to complain about irrelevancies
[11:23] <vinic> lol
[11:24] <vinic> I've got a "random" ERROR thing too
[11:24] <ogra> thoreauputic: hotplug is right...the errormessage is just wrong.....expressed too confusing
[11:25] <ogra> thoreauputic: it should just say "no pci hotplug devices found"
[11:25] <thoreauputic> ogra: ah, OK :)
[11:25] <jcole> is there a way to apt-cache search through files on a repository server without actually installing the package?
[11:25] <ogra> wfx: know what a cheerleader is ?
[11:25] <dot> how can I get a file I need that's in an rpm?
[11:25] <wfx> ogra, yes
[11:25] <ogra> wfx: they got them in their hands ;)
[11:26] <jcole> dot: file-roler
[11:26] <Managu> dot: just a file, or do you need a software package from the rpm?
[11:26] <ogra> wfx: yu probably know them as: puschel
[11:26] <jcole> dot: file-roller
[11:26] <dot> I need a ppd from asn rpm
[11:26] <dot> *an
[11:26] <wfx> ogra, thx -> dict.leo.org dont know it :-)
[11:26] <wfx> ogra, no quastel :-) diff lang
[11:26] <ogra> hehe
[11:27] <vinic> how do you quit a something | less
[11:27] <vinic> ?
[11:27] <Managu> vinic: 'q'
[11:27] <vinic> ooh great
[11:27] <vinic> 1 point for you
[11:27] <vinic> ;)
[11:28] <Managu> I'll donate my point to thoreauputic
[11:28] <vinic> :D
[11:28] <ogra> hehe
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Managu: nah, no need... I have enough for the day ;)
[11:28] <vinic> he doesnt need! he's something like 73
[11:28] <vinic> :)
[11:28] <thoreauputic> :D
[11:28] <ermo> Should I look for a 'sed fixed in hoary' in /topic here or is there a more appropriate place to watch?
[11:29] <ogra> ermo: best place...
[11:29] <ermo> ack
[11:30] <goonie> I'm a bit confused.. the directions on ubuntulinux.com for setting up the ndiswrapper tool say that I must upgrade my kernel to linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 but I can't seem to find it in my repo..
[11:30] <vinic> Well, I have had enough debugging for today... Bye all have a nice day/night... Thank you thoreauputic! ;)
[11:30] <Managu> goonie: I just had that problem.  What kernel version are you running atm?
[11:30] <ogra> goonie: just install the ndiswrapper-utils
[11:31] <goonie> <IP_ADDRESS>-16
[11:31] <ogra> goonie: the wiki page is from a prerelease time
[11:31] <goonie> ohh... ok
[11:31] <goonie> I'll give this a try thx
[11:31] <ogra> oh, its not even wiki.....
[11:33] <dot> where do I put the ppd file once, IF, I manage to find it?
[11:34] <ogra> dot: looked at linuxprinting.org for the file ?
[11:34] <ogra> dot: they have a ppd generator
[11:34] <pixelmonkey> I get this warning when running xpdf, and my fonts displaying PDFs using times fonts is horrible.  ANyone know why?  Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-times-medium-r-normal--16-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct
[11:36] <dot> linuxprinting.org can't find my printer
[11:37] <dot> Canon i560
[11:37] <Slackman> whats the status of hoary atm...is it stable enough to upgrade without much issues?
[11:37] <ogra> Slackman: see topic
[11:38] <crimsun> sed was just fixed today in Sid; expect Hoary to have the fix shortly.
[11:38] <ogra> Slackman: stops all upgrades currently
[11:38] <Slackman> ah fair enough
[11:38] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts might help ( it gives you the option to download an ms font set)
[11:38] <tolstoy> is there a solution for the sed thing on hoary yet?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: not sure, but it's worth a shot ( or look for the package in synaptic)
[11:39] <tolstoy> Ah. Subject.  Guess not.
[11:39] <Managu> Anyone in here mess with MythTV on Ubuntu?
[11:39] <crimsun> 17:38 < crimsun> sed was just fixed today in Sid; expect Hoary to have the fix shortly.
[11:40] <tolstoy> do I have to apt-get install sed or somehow force a re-install?
[11:40] <usual> no
[11:40] <crimsun> no, update in a few hours using Synaptic/aptitude/apt-get
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <tolstoy> so when it's fixed, a standard apt-get will work, and that's how I'll know, right?  Okay.
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, Yea, I thought that might be it, I tried it already
[11:40] <usual> fixes sed
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, but no go
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, it may actually be that that warning means nothing and xpdf is actually just bad at rendering certain docs
[11:41] <ogra> usual: the package ?
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, gnome-gv renders the document fine
[11:41] <usual> ogra, the borked sid package
[11:41] <usual> ogra, that sommand fixes it
[11:41] <usual> command
[11:41] <ogra> usual: how do you fix a package by copying something on the filesys ?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: hmm - interesting that gv is better
[11:42] <gen> lol
[11:42] <usual> ogra, it fixes the issue the package is having
[11:42] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, can you try the document on your xpdf and tell me if it looks like a screenshot I'll send you
[11:42] <ogra> usual: prooved this ?
[11:42] <usual> ogra, join #debian see tpoic
[11:42] <ogra> usual: i already read it elsewhere....
[11:42] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK if it's not too big (dialup here)
[11:42] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/aos/sched/readings/deviant.pdf <-- that's the pdf
[11:43] <usual> ogra, I'm confused,if you already read it why are you asking me about it
[11:43] <thoreauputic> OK
[11:43] <ogra> usual: just wanted to know if someone has done it succsessfull already befoer i spread such words
[11:43] <ogra> before
[11:43] <usual> ogra, oh
[11:43] <usual> ogra, yes I did it
[11:43] <usual> ogra, so did m00se and some others
[11:44] <ogra> usual: ah, great :)
[11:44] <usual> ogra, or use a package from incoming
[11:44] <usual> ogra, the command i pasted is the easier way I think
[11:44] <ogra> usual: it is...but i dont understand why people just cant wait some hours....
[11:44] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: well it's readable in xpdf ( not brilliant though)
[11:45] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: I'll try it in gpdf
[11:45] <usual> ogra, well, if bothered me that it was holding apt up
[11:45] <usual> ogra, so I just did the little fix
[11:45] <pixelmonkey> well, I did it in gnome-gv, not gpdf... gpdf crashes a lot
[11:45] <ogra> usual: so i wait until tomorrow .... hehe
[11:45] <usual> k
[11:45] <pixelmonkey> I think it actually has to do with scaling.  I think xpdf sucks at scaling
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: much better in ggv
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, take a look at this screenie: www.pixelmonkey.org/pub/xpdf.png
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, yea, I think it's actually an xpdf issue
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: looks like it
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> yea so behind you can see xpdf rendering horribly
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> and gnome-gv is in front
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> thing is, if you zoom in to something like 400% in xpdf, the fonts are fine
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> so I think it's in the scaling
[11:48] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: heh The image ?http://www.pixelmonkey.org/pub/xpdf.png? cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> errors?  I took it with the gnome screenshot tool..
[11:48] <Lnx|Lapp> I need some help!! Have anyone here tried running FAI for ubuntu?
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> oh hmm I think it's that old nautilus bug ;)  I used nautilus to ftp it
[11:48] <Managu> What's FAI?
[11:49] <Lnx|Lapp> Fully automatical Install
[11:49] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: tried the url again, same error
[11:49] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: I'll try another browser
[11:49] <pixelmonkey> no hold on
[11:49] <Lnx|Lapp> Thomas Lange made an package for Debian.. but as an schoolproject I want to make a version for Ubuntu
[11:49] <Managu> Lnx|Lapp: hrmm, not heard of it.  Not going fully automatically?
[11:50] <Lnx|Lapp> Managu: I'm having problem with the FAI kernel to function with Ubuntu.., :(
[11:50] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, heh, how ridiculous... I think nautilus has a bug, or gnome-vfs at least, where binary FTP uploads fail
[11:51] <nyqo> good day all, has anyone tried updating under hoary today and recieved a problem with "sed"?
[11:51] <crimsun> /topic
[11:51] <Managu> nyqo: topic ;-p
[11:51] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, anyway, if you try the link again it should work
[11:51] <Managu> Lnx|Lapp, so why not adapt FAI to use Ubuntu's kernel?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK looking
[11:52] <nyqo> managu or crimsun.... first time here, what do you mean topic?
[11:52] <choulth> check topic of this chan nyqo
[11:52] <Managu> nyqo: In the topic for the channel: "Yes, sed is broken in Hoary, it'll be fixed soon . . ."
[11:52] <Lnx|Lapp> Managu: Thats what I'm doing.. and thats where the trouble starts.  get this error: No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'
[11:52] <Lnx|Lapp> when trying to compile a new kernel for fai
[11:53] <nyqo> lol... my bad, sorry
[11:53] <Lnx|Lapp> I can't figure this one out...
[11:53] <choulth> np nyqo :)
[11:53] <Managu> nyqo: np... just gets a short response ;)
[11:53] <ogra> Lnx|Lapp: look at the mailinglist archives, there is a long thread about fai
[11:53] <nyqo> very good, proves again that you guys are fast  ;)
[11:54] <Lnx|Lapp> ogra: Thank you very much!!! :D
[11:54] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: erm - I prefer the crisper xpdf rendition i that shot - I don't see the problem really
[11:54] <ogra> Lnx|Lapp: in Sep or Oct
[11:57] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: looks *better* in your xpdf than in mine, actually
[11:58] <fissy> anyone know what to do about these errors in /var/log/samba/smbd.log? [2004/11/17 22:58:17, 1]  auth/auth_util.c:make_server_info_sam(822)
[11:58] <fissy>   User guest in passdb, but getpwnam() fails!


[12:31]  * hyperair kicks notify-osd
[12:31] <hyperair> stop leaking my memory damnit >_>
[19:05] <djsiegel> MDC1: ping
[19:57] <MDC1> djsiegel, pong
[19:57] <djsiegel> MDC1: hey I was wondering if you could walk me through patching gedit
[19:57] <djsiegel> I imagine there's a process that goes like this:
[19:58] <MDC1> i could give it a try, sure :)
[19:58] <djsiegel> 1. apt-get source gedit
[19:58] <djsiegel> 2. build it
[19:58] <djsiegel> 3. edit some source files
[19:58] <djsiegel> 4. build and run to see if change is correct
[19:58] <djsiegel> 5. if correct, generate patch and post to bug report
[19:58] <MDC1> 1. get source, 2. edit, 3. build
[19:58] <djsiegel> but I am not sure which incantations to use
[19:58] <djsiegel> ah, so you are going directly to upstream source?
[19:59] <djsiegel> I was hoping to patch against what I get with apt
[19:59] <MDC1> depends on the problem
[19:59] <djsiegel> uh oh
[19:59] <djsiegel> great
[19:59] <djsiegel> gtg
[19:59] <djsiegel> sorry
[19:59] <MDC1> haha
[19:59] <MDC1> np
[19:59] <djsiegel> another time
[19:59] <MDC1> cu