[07:00] <mborzecki> morning
[08:22] <mup> PR snapd#11222 opened: tests: do not run k8s smoke test on 32 bit systems <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11222>
[08:26] <mardy> hi all!
[08:26] <pstolowski> jamesh: hi, can you take another look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11066 ?
[08:26] <mup> PR #11066: usersession: implement method to close notifications via usersession REST API <refresh app awareness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11066>
[08:26] <pstolowski> hey mardy! welcome back!
[08:44] <mborzecki> hey everyone
[08:46] <mvo> good morning pstolowski and mborzecki - happy monday
[08:46] <pstolowski> o/
[08:46] <mvo> and good morning mardy :)
[08:51] <mup> PR snapd#11223 opened: tests: re-enable kernel-module-load tests on arm <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11223>
[08:56] <mup> PR snapd#11224 opened: cmd/snap, cmd/snap-confine: extend manpage, update links <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11224>
[09:00] <mborzecki> easy review ^^
[09:41] <zyga_> good morning
[11:10] <jamesh> mvo: could you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10219 ? The failed the required ubuntu-21.10-64 and ubuntu-core-20-64 spread tests so I can't merge myself, but the failures do not look related to the changes.
[11:10] <mup> PR #10219: interfaces: add a polkit interface <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10219>
[11:11] <mup> PR snapd#11225 opened: tests: fix fwupd interface test in debian sid <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11225>
[11:21] <mvo> jamesh: sure
[12:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#3610 closed: lifecycle: do not stage deps for pull on core20 (CRAFT-725) <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3610>
[12:47] <mup> PR snapd#10219 closed: interfaces: add a polkit interface <Created by jhenstridge> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10219>
[13:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#3608 closed: many: rename snapcraft package to snapcraft_legacy (CRAFT-726) <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3608>
[13:52] <mup> PR snapd#11226 opened: tests: workaround missing bluez snap <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11226>
[14:27] <mardy> mvo: can you please merge this? https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11146 (failures are unrelated)
[14:27] <mup> PR #11146: overlord: fix issue with concurrent execution of two snapd processes <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11146>
[14:53] <mvo> mardy: sure
[14:57] <mup> PR snapd#11146 closed: overlord: fix issue with concurrent execution of two snapd processes <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11146>
[16:14] <ijohnson[m]> mvo: hey can you merge https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11217 as well ? 🙂
[16:14] <mup> PR #11217: packaging: merge 2.54.2 changelog back to master <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11217>
[16:17] <mvo> ijohnson[m]: sure
[16:18] <mup> PR snapd#11217 closed: packaging: merge 2.54.2 changelog back to master <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11217>
[16:26] <mup> PR snapcraft#3612 opened: Force GDK to use GLES <Created by AlanGriffiths> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3612>
[16:26] <ijohnson[m]> thanks
[16:32] <pstolowski> mardy: can you de-conflict https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10864 ?
[16:32] <mup> PR #10864: mount-control: step 3 <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10864>
[18:13] <mup> PR snapd#11227 opened: spread.yaml: add debian-{10,11}, drop debian-9 <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11227>
[21:04] <mup> PR snapd#11228 opened: osutil/mkfs: Use host environment for fakeroot command <Created by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11228>
[22:39] <mup> PR snapd#11229 opened: cmd/snap, daemon: add debug command for getting OnDiskVolume dump <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11229>
[23:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3598 closed: extensions/kde-neon: declare non-experimental for core20 <Created by ppd> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3598>


[01:07] <niko> joejc use Caps Locks On Every Word script, perphaps it's against your rules
[01:31] <Flannel> I should've checked the BT earlier... I had a suspicion he wasn't new like he claimed
[01:32] <Flannel> would've saved us 45 minutes of our lives
[06:12] <Flannel> floodbots are broken?
[06:12] <Flannel> huh, just confused it seems
[06:17] <Myrtti> right
[06:17] <Myrtti> I managed to catch him copypasting an email to the channel about how to get the ubuntu-myanmar community to himself
[06:18] <Flannel> to himself?
[06:19] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/270684/
[06:19] <Myrtti> that's how I interpret the last line ;-)
[09:42] <jussi01> !-hi
[09:42] <jussi01> !greet is <alias>hi
[09:42] <jussi01> oh... sigh
[09:44] <jussi01> !greet is <alias>hi
[09:57] <Myrtti> yay, my xubuntu is broken
[10:35] <Tm_T> Myrtti: how?
[10:45] <Myrtti> pnm2ppa is broken somehow and xubuntu-desktop has broken dependencies
[10:52] <Tm_T> Myrtti: Karmic?
[10:58] <Myrtti> jaunty
[10:59] <Tm_T> sounds weird then
[11:22] <Myrtti> help?
[11:50] <elky> with?
[11:51] <Myrtti> the bots, fixed now
[11:52] <elky> jussi01, i wonder, d'ya think it's worth having !hi give out some useful information. maybe the guidelines or something like that?
[12:05] <jussi01> !hi
[12:05] <Myrtti> I agree
[12:05] <jussi01> elky: yes, that makes sense
[12:06] <Myrtti> I've been thinking the same for the past week
[12:06] <jussi01> !guidelines
[12:07] <jussi01> !hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! you can find the channel guidelines at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:07] <jussi01> what do you think?
[12:07] <Myrtti> Capital Y
[12:08] <Myrtti> ;-)
[12:08] <elky> or...
[12:08] <Myrtti> For common benefit, please read the channel guidelines at
[12:09] <elky> !hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:09] <elky> s/guidelines at/guidelines are at/
[12:12] <jussi01> elky: looks good to me.
[12:12] <elky> !no hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $channel! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:12] <elky> !hi | jussi01
[12:13] <jussi01> -opsnel?
[12:13] <Myrtti> oops
[12:13] <elky> what the h...
[12:13] <Myrtti> $chan
[12:13] <Myrtti> not $channel
[12:13] <elky> s/channel/chan/
[12:13] <jussi01> heh
[12:13] <elky> !no hi is <reply>Hi! Welcome to $chan! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[12:13] <jussi01> my fault
[12:13] <elky> jussi01, fails botese 101
[12:13] <jussi01> elky: I do that one all the time. never seem to learn
[12:14]  * elky tattoos it to jussi01's forehead
[12:14] <jussi01> elky: and how would that help precisely? :D
[12:14] <jussi01> forehead isnt best place.... given I hate mirrors.... :D
[12:15] <elky> well your girlfriend would be able to remind you
[12:15] <Myrtti> eyelids
[12:15] <Myrtti> inside
[12:15] <jussi01> rofl
[12:15] <Myrtti> best place for post-it tattoos
[12:15] <jussi01> elky: she might do nasty things to you if you did that :P
[12:27] <Tm_T> kids...
[13:03] <jussi01> Just for everyones info, MenZa is now an op in #ubuntu-offtopic - be nice to him. :)
[13:03] <Myrtti> brilliant
[13:04] <Myrtti> MenZa: condolences
[13:04]  * MenZa waves happily.
[13:04]  * MenZa nods sadly at Myrtti.
[13:09] <Myrtti> graah, indus is messing things with his advice so badly
[13:10] <Myrtti> watch out for rekcya in #ubuntu
[13:10] <bazhang> awesome :)
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> do you know
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> how to hack
[13:10] <Myrtti> [15:07] <~rekcya> ?
[13:31] <jussi01> !ask
[13:31] <jussi01> yök
[13:31] <Myrtti> yeah well
[13:32] <Myrtti> he just did ask his question couple of times in #ubuntu
[13:32] <Myrtti> it just was too long in one line, and got cut off.
[13:32] <Myrtti> irony++
[13:32] <MenZa> lol
[13:32] <MenZa> Wasn't the catb.org link in the factoid at one point?
[13:32] <MenZa> I remember seeing it used extensively
[13:33] <MenZa> It could've been different sources, but it is a fairly good article.
[13:36] <elky> aw man, we're giving ops to just *anyone* these days!
[13:36] <elky> :P
[13:36] <MenZa> :P
[13:36] <MenZa> Hihi, Melissa.
[13:37] <elky> hihi lasse
[13:43] <jussi01> MenZa: huh?
[13:43]  * Myrtti gives jussi01 a cookie
[13:43] <MenZa> jussi01: JonathanElli1's factoid edit submission.
[13:44] <MenZa> And my English is, yet again, playing up. s/different sources/a different source/
[13:44] <MenZa> I blame the low caffeine levels in my system.
[13:44] <jussi01> MenZa: I was referencing this: [15:34:42] <MenZa> "Niggemann" has to be one of the worst names, ever.
[13:45] <jussi01> where did that come from?
[13:45] <MenZa> jussi01: the catb.org link. "Kai Niggemann" contributed, apparently.
[13:46] <jussi01> o.O
[13:47] <Pici> I didnt see a link o.O
[13:47] <MenZa> Pici: in *here*. JonathanElli1's edit suggestion to !ask.
[13:47] <MenZa> I tend to get lost in whatever links I click.
[13:47] <Pici> MenZa: oh..
[14:09] <gord> hi :)
[14:10] <Pici> Hi!
[14:13] <bazhang> w00t
[14:19] <MenZa> \o gord
[14:19] <jussi01> Just so everyone has noticed, we have added gord and MenZa to the ops list in #ubuntu-offtopic. please make them feel welcome and help them if they need it :)
[14:19] <Myrtti> gord: commiserations
[14:19]  * MenZa thinks Myrtti has a /newopohdear alias.
[14:20] <Myrtti> MenZa: no, it's just ungrateful job and I can't really fake my opinion that the job has more bad than good days :-<
[14:21] <Pici> Well, hopefully our new recruits can change that
[14:21] <Myrtti> it would be brilliant if the kids knew how to behave without any ops ;-)
[14:22]  * MenZa pets Myrtti
[14:22] <MenZa> Alas, we don't live in a perfect world, Myrtti.
[14:22] <Myrtti> MenZa: which is why I'm the childlike lithmus paper
[14:22] <Myrtti> "wouldn't it be brilliant if"
[14:23] <topyli> "wouldn't it be nice to get on with me neighbours"
[14:23] <gord> "wouldn't it be nice if i had a cake"
[14:24] <bazhang> !cake
[14:24] <Tm_T> kids...
[14:24] <bazhang> aww
[14:26] <jussi01> !appdb
[14:26] <jussi01> grr sorry for the random factoid
[14:32] <Myrtti> bazhang, noticed that you were one of the people who told jonathan__(?) join ##windows for help - what his question might have also been was "how do I restore GRUB after installing Windows on my dualboot", he just didn't get that far before people jumped to saying he should ask in ##windows
[14:33] <bazhang> Myrtti, as was Pici
[14:33] <Myrtti> then both of you
[14:34] <Myrtti> this is imo on the same level of question as "how do I install ftp server" or "how do I compile C code"
[14:34] <Myrtti> you need to ask why people are asking before giving them any answers
[14:35] <Myrtti> in most cases, people who want to install ftp servers just want to share files, which could be done with sftp or some other secure method
[14:35] <bazhang> right.
[14:35] <Pici> To be honest, I didn't actually read his question.
[14:35] <Pici> Guess thats what I get for assuming that everyone else was correct in thinking that it was an offtopic question.
[14:35] <Myrtti> Pici: "I need help installing windows"
[14:36] <Myrtti> which may, or may not be offtopic
[14:36] <bazhang> he mentioned he had ubuntu and wanted to reinstall xp. nary a thing about installing grub
[14:36] <Myrtti> bazhang: nary?
[14:37] <Pici> Myrtti: just a antiquated way of saying 'not'
[14:37] <Myrtti> a
[14:38] <Myrtti> anyway, it may just be that if he had known to ask correctly, reinstalling grub would've been the correct question he should've asked
[14:38] <Myrtti> or was what he really meant
[14:38] <Myrtti> but because people jumped into the conclusion that his case goes to ##windows, he got told off by several people, got frustrated, and /parted with some harsh language
[14:38] <bazhang> s/antiquated/formal/
[14:40]  * genii makes more coffee
[14:41] <bazhang> told off? honestly? '##windows please'
[14:41] <Pici> bazhang: I think she means he got told off *in* ##windows
[14:42] <Pici> or I could be mistaken
[14:42] <bazhang> Pici, I think it was the xy#$%^ the mint people always help me
[14:42] <Myrtti> bazhang: that was after he was told by about 6 people to go to ##windows
[14:43] <Pici> Everyone makes mistakes, even operators.
[14:44] <bazhang> Myrtti, I don't feel I made a mistake here.
[14:44] <bazhang> asking politely to go to another channel is not 'jumping on someone'
[14:45] <Myrtti> bazhang: I'm not saying you individually did a mistake
[14:45] <Pici> Myrtti: Did you talk to him, or are we just assuming that he needed grub help?
[14:46] <bazhang> Myrtti, thanks for pointing it out; I will be sure to ask carefully next time to allay any possible miscommunications/etc
[14:46] <Myrtti> Pici: I'm telling what I saw, what it felt like to me, and what might have been the cause of his question, and a reason to his frustration
[14:46] <Myrtti> Pici: so in short, we're assuming
[14:48] <Myrtti> and btw, he quit just when I asked him the question on #ubuntu
[14:48] <Myrtti> so I didn't have a chance to get a reply
[14:49] <topyli> windows was involved. see where it leads!
[14:49] <Myrtti> bazhang: thanks, that was all I really wanted to do, to point out what might have been the root cause of it all - not pointing any finger at you (apart the fact that I didn't notice Pici's nick, otherwise I would've included him as well from the start)
[14:50] <Myrtti> just sharing my thoughts on it
[14:50] <bazhang> topyli, haha
[14:50] <bazhang> as always appreciated Myrtti
[16:51] <Pici> Lots of French people today
[16:52] <Myrtti> that's one of the old ones
[16:53] <Myrtti> or feels like it
[16:57] <Pici> guess so
[16:57] <Myrtti> yup, same guy
[16:58] <Myrtti> [18:52] [freenode] ~~~Boob_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <Myrtti> [18:53] [freenode] ~~~Julien__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:58] <Myrtti> his typo gave him away
[17:26] <Myrtti> aha, he's on new ip
[18:04] <MenZa> Guys, would you consider NakidGirl_With_I an offensive nickname?
[18:05] <MenZa> I don't see a major problem with it, but a user seems to. I'm looking for some opinions here.
[18:08] <jussi01> MenZa: would you put it in front of an 8year old?
[18:08] <MenZa> I don't see the nick itself being offensive in any way.
[18:09] <MenZa> Of course, I may just be hardened.
[18:09] <MenZa> Hence the request for second opinions :)
[18:09] <jussi01> aye,
[18:09] <MenZa> Your call, jussi01? Should I politely ask them to change their nickname in a /query?
[18:13] <Tm_T> MenZa: you can ask even if its not offensive (:
[18:13] <Tm_T> I do all the time
[18:14] <MenZa> For what purpose, Tm_T?
[18:15] <Tm_T> sometimes I just ask if I think it could be/get offensive
[18:15] <MenZa> Ah.
[18:15] <MenZa> I'll do that, then.
[18:16] <Tm_T> no harm asking
[18:16] <Tm_T> if result is "no" nothing lost
[18:17] <MenZa> indeed
[18:30] <MenZa> Tm_T, jussi01: Took a while for her to respond, but she says she'll change it next login session. Makes sense, as she's got about three or four tickets going in #ubuntu right now, so it'd get confusing if she decided to change it right now.
[18:31] <Tm_T> aye
[18:32] <Tm_T> if he likes to change her nick, then all good, I'm not easily pushing people to do that though
[18:32] <Tm_T> he/she/it
[18:33] <MenZa> indeed
[19:08] <Pici> ugh
[19:08] <Myrtti> I can't believe what I'm seeing
[19:09] <Myrtti> I'll start kicking people on first sight
[19:11] <Myrtti> could someone more impartial than me ask her to change her nick and refrain from making "I'm naked" comments
[19:12] <Myrtti> I'm not really coping with her nick anymore
[19:15] <Myrtti> also, has anyone talked to popey lately about the fate of ubuntu tweak?
[19:15] <Myrtti> wasn't he going to discuss it over with the creator?
[19:16] <Pricey> Myrtti: who where?
[19:16] <Pici> NakidGirl_With_I
[19:16] <Pricey> Myrtti: ah, nakidgrl_blah?
[19:16] <Myrtti> yes
[19:17] <Myrtti> I'm grinding my teeth to sand after the "I'm naked" "omg pics" convo
[19:17] <Myrtti> she did tell them politely to get lost, but still
[19:17] <Pici> 'she'
[19:17] <Pricey> Myrtti: I've just looked at backlog, nothing wrong with her conduct is there? Just the name, and therefore the responses they're getting?
[19:19] <Myrtti> whatever. I'll go to bed so I don't need to witness this and you don't need to do a thing
[19:46] <genii> Pici: Damn, beat me to the !ot
[19:47] <Pici> Myrtti beat me to the no politics
[19:47] <Myrtti> yeah, couldn't sleep yet
[19:48] <Pricey> move to PM
[21:02] <Seeker`_> nalioth: please can you prod mootbot logs please


[09:08] <Kilos> morning everybody
[15:13] <Kilos> eish
[15:14] <Kilos> all of a sudden i have over 300 conflicting packages
[15:14] <Kilos> hopefully aptitude will fix them
[15:15] <Kilos> aptitude upgrade has been running for over 30 mins showing whats open, closed, defer and conflict
[16:38] <the_calhax> Hey All
[16:53] <Kilos> inetpro fixit
[16:54] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmmrqswz
[16:54] <Kilos> hi the_calhax welcome to u buntu-za
[16:55] <Kilos> first time i see that nick here
[16:55] <the_calhax> Kilos its arts, glad to hear from you!
[16:56] <Kilos> ohi , whats with the nick change
[16:56] <Kilos> i get lost hehe
[16:57] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed long time no hear. hope all is good by you
[16:59] <tumbleweed> pretty good, thanks
[16:59] <tumbleweed> o/ from London
[17:00] <Kilos> glad to hear all good. stay strong sir
[20:35] <inetpro> .


[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:00] <RikMills> plasma-disks and plasma-systemmonitor now in proposed (and hopefully release pocket soon)
[13:08] <BluesKaj> I see the latest upgrade fixed the system tray issue
[13:09] <RikMills> BluesKaj: yes, the rest of frameworks 5.77 got through :)
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1340007389555257347


[03:43] <Takyoji> oh fun http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1812244/Use-Open-Source-Then-Youre-a-Pirate
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> hehe, yeah
[04:01] <Takyoji> I wonder how far that will go
[04:06] <Obsidian1723> Thhe mere fact there's an article on it, is too far enough already.
[04:07] <Takyoji> true
[04:07] <Obsidian1723> If FOSS is stopped, I quit using PCs.
[04:09] <tonyyarusso> If FOSS is illegal, I'll just be a criminal.
[04:12] <Takyoji> Why does it seem like LPIC-3 centers around LDAP for most of it?
[04:14] <Takyoji> and why is vi a requirement in LPIC-1? xP
[04:14] <Takyoji> Which is better, emacs or vi? FIGHT, NOW!
[04:14] <Takyoji> :P
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> vi.  done.
[04:16] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: vi is required to be installed for POSIX compliance - thus it's the only editor you can rely on being present on any Linux/UNIX system you come across, which is why it's covered for LPIC-1.
[04:16] <Takyoji> ahh
[04:16] <Takyoji> Whereas nano for example is purely optional?
[04:18] <tonyyarusso> correct
[04:19] <Takyoji> It's surprising there's no public resource of learning materials (with Creative Commons licensing for example) that I can find on LPIC
[04:21] <Takyoji> or am I just digging in the wrong places?
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> I haven't seen any either.
[04:22] <Takyoji> otherwise I just found this http://www.scribd.com/doc/2056167/LPI-101Guide
[04:25] <Takyoji> 81 pages
[04:25] <Takyoji> I have the PDF now
[04:28] <Takyoji> also just found: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/
[04:29] <Obsidian1723> You going for the LPIC1?
[04:32] <Takyoji> Just curious of it
[04:34] <Obsidian1723> ah....
[04:34] <Obsidian1723> I have a Linux cert.
[04:35] <Takyoji> Which?
[04:36] <Obsidian1723> Linux+
[04:36] <Takyoji> At first sight it just looks rather basic..
[04:36] <Takyoji> In terms of Linux+
[04:37] <Obsidian1723> Well, it's not a CCNA, but I did really well on it because I live in a Linux world.
[04:37] <Obsidian1723> I wouldn't say it's basic though.
[04:38] <Obsidian1723> I think out of all the Linux certs, it's the only one you really need. I've never heard anyone ask for a LIPC or UCP, RARELY a RHCE...
[04:39] <Obsidian1723> and honestly, while wek now the vendor-specific certs (mainly Novel, Microsoft and Cisco) are what people want and look for, I actually place more value on the vendor-neutral certs.
[04:40] <Takyoji> yea, which I think is more sane
[04:40] <Takyoji> Understanding the philosophy of something rather than knowing how to click buttons on GUI
[04:40] <Obsidian1723> Whereas in the Microsoft (and to some extent, even the Cisco world), knowledge, certs and experience will get you so far, but in the Linux world, people are like "yeah. cool. you have certs."  If you know networking, you know it. When you learn MS and Cisco stuff, it's really specifc.
[04:42] <Obsidian1723> Really, most people don't need Cisco unless it's for giant corps. SOHO, small and medium business can do things other ways.
[04:43] <Obsidian1723> Take a box, toss on pfSense with a Gigabit card and 2 10/100s, toss that into a Cisco Cataulist 24-port Siwtch, get another PC, toss on Smoothwall for a firewall, yer all set.  I'd love to see a hackers face when he runs into IPX/SPX
[04:47] <Takyoji> Hopefully I'll actually get some money soon; just haven't done any work in a while..
[04:52] <kermit> Takyoji: I cant believe you like money too.  We should hang out.
[04:53] <Takyoji> Egad
[04:54] <Obsidian1723> What do you do for work?
[04:57] <Takyoji> Freelance; mostly for my brother however
[04:57] <Takyoji> http://aquaeden.com/
[05:00] <Obsidian1723> Cool.
[05:01] <Takyoji> (did all the web development, photography, and other aspects of the website as well)
[05:02] <Takyoji> Although it doesn't reflect much of my current experience level (in terms of a source code standpoint)
[21:47] <Takyoji> Woo http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/change-gdm-login-screen-background-in.html
[21:49] <_diablo> thank god. that's only, what, 4 months late?
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> Ah, but the real question is will it be in Lucid?
[21:57] <tonyyarusso> apparently yes, yay!
[21:58] <tonyyarusso> wait, "hoping too", crud
[22:00] <_diablo> exactly
[22:00] <_diablo> maybe if canonical actually listened to users, we could actually know something
[22:02] <Takyoji> I have this feeling it may either be in the next release, or not at all.
[22:03] <_diablo> exactly
[22:03] <_diablo> well, ttyl
[22:03] <Takyoji> Feature freeze was on the 18th
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> yup
[22:06] <Takyoji> an exception can be made; however it would probably be unlikely
[22:06] <tonyyarusso> That doesn't look like exception material to me.
[22:10] <Takyoji> Again, I wonder if another distro will suffice over Ubuntu at some point..
[22:27] <Takyoji> otherwise yay for the Alpha 3 release
[22:28] <Takyoji> and boo for the horrendously inconsistent download speed for the torrent of it
[22:29] <Takyoji> Goes from like 18KB/s (why kilobytes instead of kilobits?) to like 500KB/s
[22:43] <Takyoji> 2.8KB/s...
[22:43]  * Takyoji pounds his head into his table
[22:44] <Takyoji> I have a feeling some ISPs are throttling the connection(s)...
[22:44] <rlaager> Takyoji: Most applications transferring files work in bytes. It's only stuff at the network layer that works in bits. Also, keep in mind that applications are generally KiB while networks are kB.
[22:46] <Obsidian1723> Takoyoji, some do.
[22:46] <Obsidian1723> I would avoid torrents though.
[22:47] <rlaager> I've always wished for a spec and implementations that would allow for HTTP URLs to be added to a .torrent. Then you'd do HTTP Range requests to get chunks of the data.
[22:47] <Takyoji> It was going so smoothly for like 80% of it
[22:48] <rlaager> So basically, mirrors would become part of the torrent swarm without needing any special server-side software.
[22:48] <Takyoji> yea
[22:49] <rlaager> Then you could hit multiple mirrors and loads would automatically route and level themselves.
[22:50] <Obsidian1723> Sounds like a lot of load-balancing o nthe network-side of things, as well as lot of bandwidth usage.
[22:50] <Takyoji> I'm trying to get the ISO of Alpha 3, and have like over 18 or so clients I'm connected to; and I do have inbound port forwarding properly setup
[22:50] <Takyoji> In fact, I'm uploading 43x more than I'm getting..
[22:51] <Obsidian1723> What are you uploading?
[22:51] <rlaager> huh? Excluding a tiny bit of overhead, it would be no less efficient than HTTP ever. So you get the sum of bittorrent and HTTP, which makes the torrents faster, which means people are more likely to use them, which will end up reducing the HTTP load in the end.
[22:51] <Takyoji> I'm talking in terms of solely the torrent.
[22:52] <Obsidian1723> What's the facination with torrents that most people seem to have?
[22:52] <rlaager> Clients can download faster with less load on the mirrors? It's a win-win.
[22:52] <Takyoji> I was downloading via HTTP earlier, but that's slown down, and I would rather distribute the load rather than going from one core server (or cluster, at most)
[22:54] <Obsidian1723> rlaager, I guess so. if you areu sing torrents for legitimate purposes from legimate sources, I can see that.
[22:54] <Obsidian1723> Problem is, you don't always know what you are getting and from where.
[22:55] <Takyoji> it does a checksum...
[22:55] <Takyoji> and I'm the tracker is the Ubuntu server
[22:55] <rlaager> As someone who works at an ISP, it's great for us as well (in theory) as in the worst case, it's about the same, but there's a potential for keeping traffic within our network. The bigger the ISP, the bigger the potential advantage.
[22:55] <Takyoji> and the tracker is the Ubuntu server*
[22:55] <Obsidian1723> rlaager, what do you do at an the ISP? I worked at one years ago.
[22:58] <Takyoji> http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/takyoji/torrent.png?t=1267138696
[23:06] <rlaager> Obsidian1723: I'm the IT Manager at a regional ISP in NW Minnesota.
[23:07] <rlaager> Apparently this already exists (though not necessarily in the Transmission client and it's not necessarily used by the Ubuntu torrents): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29#Web_seeding
[23:11] <Takyoji> I wonder if Transmission however even has support for it
[23:21] <Takyoji> Some source should have a yearly trophy for "FUD of the year"; because I think the recent case with the IIPA would definitely win the award
[23:36] <Obsidian1723> rlaager ah fun fun
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> There's some really awesome new technology working its way down the pipe in the bittorrent protocol.
[23:38] <kermit> orderly downloads?
[23:38] <kermit> though i think its currently capable of that, just no client i know of does it
[23:39] <tonyyarusso> I know Deluge can order downloads by three priority levels.


[07:16] <pstolowski> hey trainguards, can somebody help me understand the cause of silo 35 failure; i've debhelper in my dependencies? i'm generating debian/control from debian/rules on the fly, following the solution we recently succesfuly established in another project. i know that robru made some changes to CI train to make it possible, but I'd hope it was a generic change, not just for per-project?
[07:42] <Mirv> sil2100: pstolowski is asking some really hard questions :D
[07:42] <Mirv> sil2100: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12446862/ - any idea?
[07:43] <pstolowski> Mirv, sil2100 looks like we've just found the problem, there was an empty line in debian/control
[07:43] <Mirv> pstolowski: oh, great!
[07:43] <Mirv> sil2100: unping!
[07:43] <Mirv> pstolowski: let us know if it still fails
[07:47] <Mirv> pstolowski: looking good!
[07:49] <Mirv> that gen-debian-files.sh really feels like "things could be better", but I'm glad that there's at least _a_ solution
[07:51] <sil2100> pstolowski: did the empty line removal help?
[07:51] <sil2100> I tried that locally yesterday and it didn't
[07:59] <Mirv> ah, no landing meeting
[08:02] <pstolowski> sil2100, the build is in progress, built successfuly for some archs already
[08:13] <pstolowski> sil2100, yeah, it should work fine; built for wily, failed for vivid because we need uhm, silo 10 landed first
[08:14] <sil2100> pstolowski: seb128 is on it! But I really thought that maybe Steve would have time this time
[08:14] <sil2100> Or maybe he even did review but didn't press teh buttonz
[08:16] <pstolowski> sil2100, okay
[08:21] <seb128> sil2100, pstolowski, that libunity-scopes3 already existed
[08:21] <seb128> it's sort of bad test to reuser a lib name/soname that existed for a different version/api
[08:23] <pstolowski> seb128, in vivid we need to release the same exact so we had, so that existing scopes don't break. there are no api changes in this branch, just packaging. not sure if that answers your question..?
[08:23] <seb128> well, I was more pointing a detail
[08:23] <seb128> pstolowski, is that silo 24 we are talking about?
[08:24] <seb128> I just got pointed to https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-010-2-publish/80/artifact/unity-scopes-api_packaging_changes.diff
[08:24] <pstolowski> seb128, i'm talking about silo 10
[08:24] <sil2100> hmmm
[08:24] <seb128> I'm talking about 24
[08:24] <seb128> which one needs a binNEW review?
[08:25] <pstolowski> seb128, 24 is not ready to be reviewed, it will be simpilified and rebuilt one 10 lands.
[08:25] <sil2100> ogra_: hey! I actually checked the cdimage code just now and it looks like there's actually no ubuntu-rtm-related code there (for the subproject) but many many lines for ubuntu-touch (the project) - from the code I glimpsed it seems subprojects just work out-of-the-box, without much configuration
[08:25] <pstolowski> seb128, i was asking sil2100 to land silo 10
[08:25] <sil2100> ogra_: they're just using everything from the main project + append the subproject name
[08:25] <seb128> ok
[08:26] <sil2100> seb128: yeah, silo 10 needs landing as it introduces those new bin packages (at least in theory)
[08:26] <ogra_> sil2100, ah, cool
[08:27] <sil2100> ogra_: I'll look into it more, but that's what I saw after the first greps and looks
[08:27] <ogra_> yeah, as i said, i wasnt sure
[08:28] <seb128> sil2100, pstolowski, it's buggy
[08:28] <seb128> -Package: libunity-scopes-qt0.1
[08:28] <seb128> +Package: libunity-scopes-qt2
[08:28] <seb128> but on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-010/+build/7907984
[08:28] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-010/+build/7907984/+files/libunity-scopes-qt0.2_1.0.1%2B15.10.20150915.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:28] <seb128> 2 vs 0.2
[08:29] <seb128> the diff suggests your binary should be -qt2
[08:29] <seb128> not -qt0.2
[08:30] <seb128> since when do we have dot so numbers?
[08:35] <sil2100> uh
[08:36] <seb128> the diff is confusing, the unpacked source uses 0.2 in its control
[08:36] <sil2100> pstolowski: could you poke michi about that?
[08:36] <seb128> unsure what's going on
[08:36] <sil2100> Would be good to decide on one
[08:37] <seb128> otherwise the new binaries seem fine
[08:37] <seb128> if you are happy with the 0.2 soname +1
[08:37] <pstolowski> seb128, hmm, i will pass these remarks to michi. can this be landed regardless of the problem with this particular lib package and we will deal with it separately? this library is not used by anyone, all it has is in experimental namespace still
[08:37] <seb128> just feels weird
[08:38] <seb128> pstolowski, ^
[08:38] <pstolowski> seb128, unfortunately michi is not around anymore today (he is from australia), and we have silos for ota that need scopes lib from this silo
[08:39] <pstolowski> seb128, yes, i'm happy with this lib for now, there are no Qt scopes yet
[08:40] <seb128> k, so +1 from the NEW review side
[08:41] <pstolowski> seb128, thanks
[08:41] <seb128> yw
[08:53] <ogra_> sil2100, do you know why the sensors api was dropped ? seems all sensors are gone now, i got no haptic feedback on my phone anywhere anymore ...
[08:54] <ogra_> (and the sensorstatus app from the store doesnt find anything either for any sensors)
[09:00] <sil2100> huh, indeed it got dropped, maybe it wasn't seeded and the dependency that was pulling it got removed
[09:00] <sil2100> Let me look into that
[09:02] <sil2100> ogra_: yeah, the qtubuntu landing from yesterday dropped it...
[09:02] <sil2100> Let me add it to the seeds
[09:02] <sil2100> I'll rebuild an image then
[09:05] <ogra_> +1
[09:05] <ogra_> feels weird ...
[09:06]  * ogra_ notes how much he got used to the vibration
[09:06] <sil2100> hah ;)
[09:08] <davmor2> sil2100: I wonder why that didn't show up in testing.....Oh of course old packages are not removed are they, I wonder if we can add apt-get autoremove to citrains instruction set maybe?
[09:10] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily-add_sensors/+merge/271622 <- I'm uploading the vivid package now
[09:11] <sil2100> I'll kick a new image once that builds
[09:11] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey, so silo 10 is good to land?
[09:14] <sil2100> pstolowski: yes! Noooow we need someone to still push teh buttonz, since I can't because of a train bug ;p
[09:14] <sil2100> seb128: can you push teh button on the silo 10 publish?
[09:15] <sil2100> seb128: I can't publish dual-silos right now since the permission check is wrong (fix in a MP)
[09:15] <seb128> sil2100, k
[09:15] <sil2100> Thanks!
[09:16] <sil2100> :)
[09:16] <seb128> yw
[09:16] <sil2100> pstolowski: ^ \o/
[09:16] <pstolowski> phew
[09:16] <seb128> done
[09:16] <jibel> davmor2, we should definitely do an autoremove or check for orphan packages after installing a silo. It is not the first time this hits us.
[09:18] <davmor2> jibel: I'm just looking at it now it seems like I can copy the format of the other package instructions to add an autoremove maybe
[09:28] <sil2100> Kicking new image
[09:29] <sil2100> brb
[10:00] <Saviq> cihelp, hey, something went wrong in the last two jobs for unity-api, jenkins failed to mkdirs somewhere https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-api-ci/
[10:01] <psivaa> Saviq: let me take a look
[10:01] <Saviq> tx
[10:37] <brendand> jibel, are we sure the autoremove is desirable in every case?
[10:39] <jibel> brendand, I don't know any other way to find and remove dropped dependencies
[10:39] <jibel> deborphan would work too but it is not on the image
[10:40] <brendand> jibel, i just get the feeling if it was straightforward we would have done it a long time ago
[10:40] <brendand> jibel, i seem to recall some objections when it was proposed originally
[10:46] <brendand> jibel, we should at least get a bug in phablet-tools
[10:48] <pstolowski> sil2100, huh, merge failed in silo 10?
[10:48] <jibel> davmor2 was about to file a bug
[10:49] <davmor2> jibel: proposed a merge instead :)
[10:49] <jibel> brendand, https://code.launchpad.net/~davmor2/phablet-tools/add-autoremove/+merge/271631 :)
[10:50] <jibel> davmor2, can you file a bug too and link it to the MP so discussion can happen there
[10:50] <davmor2> jibel: filing
[10:51] <brendand> davmor2, i just did
[10:51] <davmor2> brendand: where
[10:51] <brendand> davmor2, in phablet-tools...
[10:52] <brendand> davmor2, just linked it
[10:52] <brendand> jibel, i think the tricky thing is we need a way to test this in a realistic way, usually when these issues are discovered the situation has passed
[10:53] <brendand> davmor2, i'm not positive your change will do the trick, since SourceList is set to /dev/null at the point when you do the autoremove
[10:53] <jibel> brendand, since it a dependency that move from a package dependency to the seed, the only way to realistically test it is to build an image
[10:53] <brendand> davmor2, so apt only 'sees' what's in the PPA i believe
[10:54] <brendand> jibel, yeah citrain will never be perfect
[10:54] <brendand> jibel, the main question is whether this change would catch the issue in question
[10:55] <brendand> jibel, can we arrange for a silo to be created that reproduces the issue in question?
[10:55] <jibel> brendand, only way to know is to try. flash 108, upgrade qtubuntu and run autoremove
[10:55] <jibel> brendand, just upgrade qtubuntu on 108
[10:56] <jibel> brendand, 115 sorry
[10:56] <jibel> well latest -1 :)
[10:56] <brendand> jibel, still doesn't tell us what the effect is of SourceList being /dev/null at that point
[10:56] <brendand> jibel, but it would be a start
[10:56] <brendand> jibel, is that 115 on krillin?
[10:57] <jibel> brendand, on arale
[10:57] <jibel> brendand, on krillin it would be 127
[10:57] <brendand> jibel, sure? i'm on 127 now
[10:57] <brendand> jibel, 126?
[10:58] <jibel> brendand, 126 you're right, 128 has just been released with the fix
[10:59]  * ogra_ gives sil2100 a vibrating hug
[10:59] <ogra_> all back to normal with the new image :)
[11:01] <pstolowski> seb128, hey, any idea what's wrong with silo 10 now?
[11:02] <seb128> no idea no, sorry
[11:03] <seb128> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/check-publication-migration/14715/consoleFull
[11:03] <seb128> that states there are merge conflicts
[11:03] <pstolowski> seb128, yes i saw that, but it merges cleanly here
[11:03] <seb128> no idea, sorry
[11:06] <brendand> jibel, maybe it would be more effective if we could somehow pre-validate the changes going into an image?
[11:06] <brendand> jibel, although i guess the archive is constantly moving, so
[11:10] <pstolowski> seb128, is it possible to examine /srv/juju/8cf85e56-3fc7-4e9b-97df-423d87ebb8f5/var/lib/jenkins/silos/ubuntu/landing-010/unity-scopes-api/ ?
[11:15] <sil2100> ogra_: \o/ ;)
[11:16] <sil2100> pstolowski: I'll check in a moment
[11:17] <brendand> jibel, those steps certainly do result in qtubuntu-sensors being removed
[11:17] <pstolowski> sil2100, thanks. bbiab
[11:24] <sil2100> pstolowski: something strange happened in this silo indeed
[11:25] <sil2100> pstolowski: looking at the CI Train contents, it seems it didn't commit some changes... I better take a look at the package
[11:41] <sil2100> pstolowski: I think, to avoid confusion, we should really just merge it in manually
[11:41] <sil2100> I'll try to do it the right way
[11:53] <pstolowski> sil2100, hmm okay... is there any way to ensure that it was rebuilt after all the commits? shall we rebuild just in case?
[11:53] <sil2100> pstolowski: no no, all is ok it seems
[11:53] <sil2100> I just checked, it's just the train having problems
[11:53] <sil2100> Pushing manually
[11:54] <pstolowski> sil2100, uff, thanks
[11:54] <sil2100> pstolowski: ok, silo freed and branches pushed ;)
[11:54] <pstolowski> \o/
[11:55] <Saviq> psivaa, something bad happened with devices as well https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-wily-mako/390/console
[11:55] <pstolowski> that was quite a battle. i'm sure michi will open a champagne
[11:56]  * alecu opens a diet coke
[11:56] <alecu> now, where's my 12yo rum...
[11:57] <alecu> pstolowski: this means that we'll be able to land "social interactions" soon, right?
[11:57] <pstolowski> sil2100, is to going to be immediately available to other silos, or do i need to wait?
[11:57] <pstolowski> alecu, yes, hopefully! if nothing unexpected happens (such as last events related to silo 10)
[11:58] <pstolowski> alecu, i.e. the coming landing will have single-tree branch for shell plugin, so i expect some bumps
[11:59] <alecu> pstolowski: so, we'll need another packaging ack from the ubuntu devs, like with silo 10, right?
[12:00] <pstolowski> alecu, probably, yes, although it's going to be less important change than with scopes api
[12:01] <psivaa> Saviq: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-api-ci/337/ has now succeded
[12:01] <psivaa> Saviq: regarding the failure in the devices, i'll add a card for the team to look at.
[12:01] <Saviq> psivaa, thanks
[12:02] <psivaa> i'm about to go for my lunch, i'll take a look when i return if that is not picked up
[12:05] <sil2100> pstolowski: you can now prepare other landings, since the change is now in your trunk :)
[12:18] <pstolowski> sil2100, joy of joys, thanks for help! :)
[12:21] <sil2100> pstolowski: yw! Sorry this was such a bumpy ride ;)
[13:07] <sil2100> kenvandine: ugh!
[13:08] <kenvandine> sil2100, ?
[13:08] <sil2100> kenvandine: soooo... I just pushed a package to silo 009
[13:09] <sil2100> kenvandine: I'm testing something in staging and thought that it allocates silos the right way
[13:10] <sil2100> But it seems it was your silo ;p
[13:10] <sil2100> Anyway, let me remove it
[13:10] <sil2100> kenvandine: sorry about that ;p
[13:11] <kenvandine> sil2100, no... somethings wrong there
[13:11] <kenvandine> silo 9 has landed
[13:12] <kenvandine> sil2100, and those branches have been merged
[13:12] <kenvandine> not sure why it's lingering in bileto
[13:17] <sil2100> hmmm
[13:17] <sil2100> kenvandine: those are landed, yes?
[13:18] <sil2100> kenvandine: ok, so let me use that, I'll abandon it in a moment
[13:18] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx
[13:18] <sil2100> kenvandine: I'll test the silo in this case
[13:18] <kenvandine> no idea why it's still there
[13:18] <kenvandine> definitely landed though
[13:19] <sil2100> kenvandine: probably because of my staging assignment... it assigned it in the staging bileto, and the production one got confused
[13:29] <dobey> cihelp: does jenkins not understand @replaceme@ in the symbols files?
[13:30] <dobey> the jobs for MP verification, not silo builds, that is
[13:40] <rvr> jamesh: Approving silo 15
[13:45] <kenvandine> tar: ./control: Cannot write: No space left on device
[13:45] <kenvandine> sil2100,  trying to rebuild silo 53
[13:45] <sil2100> geh...
[13:50] <kenvandine> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-053-1-build/29/console
[13:50] <kenvandine> sil2100, ^^
[13:51] <kenvandine> jgdx, i tried rebuilding silo 53, which was dirty... but jenkins is angry with us :)
[13:51] <sil2100> Eh, the pbuilder seems to be full
[13:52] <sil2100> Since the instance itself has a lot of space
[13:52] <sil2100> Let me check what we can do about this situatio
[13:52] <sil2100> n
[13:52] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx
[13:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, right, because of the ofono landing.
[13:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, and a new build failed?
[13:55] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah... but now we can't build
[13:55] <kenvandine> out of space
[13:55] <kenvandine> sil2100's going to get us going again :)
[13:55]  * sil2100 still looking
[13:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, out in space? like LEO?
[13:56] <kenvandine> lol
[13:58] <oSoMoN> sil2100, I’m affected too with the no space left on device issue: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-035-1-build/64/console
[14:15] <barry_> trainguards: testing
[14:15] <sil2100> barry_: what's up?
[14:15] <sil2100> kenvandine: try now :)
[14:15] <barry> sil2100: just testing my erc notification setting :)
[14:16] <sil2100> hah
[14:16] <sil2100> ;)
[14:17] <Mirv> barry: hmm :D
[14:18] <barry> emacs ftw
[14:19]  * kenvandine tries
[14:35] <kenvandine> sil2100, that worked :)
[14:35] <sil2100> phew
[14:35] <kenvandine> sil2100, thx
[14:36] <sil2100> yw ;)
[14:43] <jgdx> sil2100, thanks!
[14:45] <jgdx> kenvandine, you started a build of the whole whack?
[14:45] <kenvandine> jgdx, just settings
[14:45] <kenvandine> jgdx, did indicator-network need a rebuild too?
[14:46] <jgdx> kenvandine, don't think so, just curious
[14:46] <jgdx> thanks!
[14:46] <kenvandine> ok
[14:50] <Saviq> trainguards, ENOSPC during source package build: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-010-1-build/231/consoleFull
[14:50] <Saviq> should I just try again?
[15:00] <fginther> dobey, can you provide an example of the @replaceme@ problem? I think the answer is no, but I'd like to verify
[15:01] <dobey> fginther: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/pay-service-15.04-vivid-amd64-ci/30/console
[15:01] <dobey> dpkg-gensymbols: error: @replaceme@ is not a valid version
[15:03] <pstolowski> sil2100, hey, may i ask you to purge unity-scopes-api from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-024 ?
[15:04] <mterry> robru, I am in no way trying to poke you to push something along.  I just want to confirm I did the process correctly, since I don't think I've requested a silo using bileto yet.  Is silo ticket 381 ready from my side?
[15:09] <fginther> dobey, do you know where this is documented? From looking at the ci-train code, it looks like the correct string should be "0replaceme". But I could be missing something
[15:09] <sil2100> pstolowski: sure, on it
[15:10] <sil2100> Saviq: try again, I just recenly cleaned the pbuilders
[15:10] <sil2100> mterry: let me take a look, robru is on holidays ;)
[15:10] <mterry> sil2100, ah thanks  :)  dang leaving IRC on
[15:11] <sil2100> pstolowski: deleted
[15:11] <pstolowski> sil2100, ty
[15:12] <dobey> fginther: oh ok. so the closing @ is not supposed to be there?
[15:12] <sil2100> mterry: almost perfect ;) You need to switch the last drop-down to 'QA Required'
[15:12] <sil2100> mterry: you can do that by editing the request
[15:12] <sil2100> mterry: once you're done, try assigning the silo :)
[15:12] <fginther> dobey, and the first character is a '0' (zero), not an '@'
[15:13] <dobey> fginther: oh
[15:15] <mterry> sil2100, aha did it
[15:15] <mterry> sil2100, now I have LP permission to upload to landing-051 PPA?  will try that
[15:17] <dobey> fginther: is that documented somewhere?
[15:17] <sil2100> mterry: you should have, you're a core-dev
[15:17] <mterry> cool
[15:17] <sil2100> :)
[15:18] <mterry> indeed, i"m in that team
[15:18] <mterry> That was a surprise.  But I'm in so many teams it's hard to keep track
[15:18] <fginther> dobey, I was able to find this which still appears to apply: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I.27m_exposing_a_new_C.2BAC8-C.2B-.2B-_symbols_in_my_library.2C_it_seems_that_some_packaging_changes_are_needed.2BICY-
[15:40] <rvr> kgunn: Approving silo 60
[15:42] <kgunn> rvr: awesome!
[15:42] <kgunn> thanks
[15:47] <fginther> Saviq, FYI, I restarted the MPs that were impacted by the failure of one of the mako devices.
[15:47] <Saviq> fginther, thanks
[15:56] <robru> sil2100: nothing you can do in staging has any ability to touch anything in production. The only "confusion" i can think of is that the staging bileto ppa links to production PPAs. But it's just a link, it would be up to you to copy packages into production by mistake
[15:58] <sil2100> robru: all is good, I noticed that already when testing ;)
[16:02] <robru> sil2100: OK, some scrollback is making me nervous
[16:49] <kgunn> trainguards: strangely...i've got me first chance to land something with bileto...if i have QA approaved, is it "publish" & then "merge & clean" ?
[16:52] <robru> kgunn: yes except merge & clean is automatic and you don't have permission to publish. I'm afk but perhaps barry is around to publish that for you. Just tell him what request it is
[16:52] <rvr> bfiller: ping
[16:52] <barry> kgunn: you will be my guinea pig
[16:52] <kgunn> :) barry it's silo 60 thanks
[16:53] <barry> kgunn: you want me to publish that silo, right?
[16:54] <kgunn> barry: please sir
[16:55] <barry> kgunn: i need to ack packaging changes, so let me take a quick look at the mp
[16:55] <kgunn> you bet
[16:58] <barry> kgunn: um, now i'm not sure which request this is.  if i search for Publishable i see landing-022 and landing-053, neither of which is yours
[16:59] <barry> ah, wait
[16:59] <barry> ubuntu/landing-60 right?
[16:59] <barry> it's in a different bucket now i think
[17:01] <barry> kgunn, robru i admit i am confused trying to find the landing you want to publish
[17:38] <fginther> Saviq, The requested changes for lp:unity8, lp:unity-api and lp:qtmir have all been deployed (since late yesterday)
[17:38] <fginther> Saviq, please let us know if something is not quite right
[17:45] <Saviq> fginther, oh yeah we're very happy :)
[17:46] <Saviq> fginther, there were some issues today but they seem resolved now (unrelated to job configs, the broken mako and some weird mkdirs problem psivaa solved)
[17:49] <ChrisTownsend> trainguards: I'm ready for landing-015 to go into the Publishing phase.  Do I click Publish in my landing request or do one of you do it?
[17:53] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, they need to, we've no rights
[17:54] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: Oh ok.  So we always ping when we are to publish?
[17:55] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, generally they monitor the queue and will publish if they see one that's ready
[17:55] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: Sorry for the questions, but how to I set it that it is ready?
[17:55] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, QA does
[17:56] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, and in your case you set it to "publish without QA"
[17:56] <Saviq> since you didn't require QA
[17:57] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: Ah, ok.  "No QA needed" is not the correct one.
[17:57] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, it is, before you verify it
[17:57] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, basically, it has to show up in https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/trainguards
[17:57] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: Ok, now I got it.  Thanks!
[17:58] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: This is the first time I've done a release since the change away from the spreadsheet.
[17:58] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, nw, I'm only doing my own first landing after being back, too
[17:59] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: lol, you seem to have The Knowledge:)
[17:59] <Saviq> ChrisTownsend, likely I've just been through the process so many times I know the levers to pull by now ;)
[18:00] <ChrisTownsend> Saviq: heh
[18:01] <kgunn> barry: still confused? afaik it's this one
[18:01] <kgunn> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-060
[18:02] <barry> kgunn: yeah, sorry, i got pulled into a meeting.  give me a few minutes to wrap that up and i'll take a look again
[18:08] <barry> kgunn: okay, i think i've got it.  i should talk to robru about the ui.  i find it difficult to go from an irc request that says "landing-60" to finding the actual line in the ui that refers to that.  really my first use of the new ui
[18:09] <barry> kgunn: there ya go ^^
[18:14] <kgunn> thanks barry! have a great weekend
[18:15] <Saviq> hmm is citrain tool supposed to prevent overlay packages from getting installed? not happening here
[19:09] <kgunn> trainguards i know it's late on a friday but i just hit assign on bileto, but it gave me an assignment error
[19:09] <kgunn> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/6198/console
[19:09] <kgunn> mentioning silo 60...which ironically was the silo i had earlier today
[19:09] <kgunn> just a weird bug getting the same silo twice ?
[19:10] <kgunn> the landing i had in silo 60 earlier says "landed"
[19:10] <kgunn> so i would assume it's free
[19:46] <robru> barry: can you file a bug against lp:bileto? "Publishable" page should include silos needing ack but doesn't
[19:51] <barry> robru: yep.  i think i'll file another bug which is that it should be possible to search for something like 'landing-60' and get the silo needing attention.  i think 'landing-60' didn't turn up anything, but i found it by searching for '60'
[19:52] <robru> barry: weird it should work if you search by landing-xxx
[19:52] <robru> Except that it would show every request that ever went through that silo
[19:53] <barry> robru: maybe that was the problem.  it's too hard to find the thing i need to poke when someone ask for help with "landing-60"
[19:53] <robru> kgunn: can you send me the exact request you had when you got that prepare error? I've seen that before but haven't been able to reproduce it, also the error makes no sense as there are checks in place to prevent that situation
[19:54] <robru> barry: yeah people should probably just be trained to use the requestid or just send links
[19:54] <barry> yeah
[19:54] <barry> robru: but that's human nature :)
[19:55] <robru> barry: saying "silo x" was OK when there were only 20 but it hasn't really scaled
[19:56] <barry> robru: agreed
[19:56] <robru> barry: but there are definitely growing pains where bileto could be better, in trying to iterate on it
[19:56] <kgunn> robru: i gotta run, but i actually abandoned that...it's a qtmir request
[19:56] <kgunn> i started another one, but now it says "out of silos"
[19:56] <robru> Blast
[19:57] <barry> robru: what?  the first release wasn't perfect?  madness
[19:57] <kgunn> how dear he
[19:57] <kgunn> try to improve and not achieve perfection on mark 1
[19:57] <kgunn> hmpf
[19:57] <robru> kgunn: well i could have left you with the spreadsheet while i perfected bileto :-P
[19:59] <barry> robru: LP: #1497434
[20:00] <robru> barry: thanks, next week will see a bunch of fun improvements i think
[20:02] <barry> robru: LP: #1497435 is the other one.  see if that makes sense
[20:04] <robru> barry: yeah I think I"ll have to implement a new search just for silonumbers that hides older landings.
[20:04] <barry> robru: +1
[20:28] <robru> kgunn: ah, the issue with your latest request is that you had a branch instead of a merge in there. I'll have to clean up that traceback
[20:49] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can silo 59 be published, please?
[20:50] <barry> oSoMoN: yep
[20:53] <robru> oh goody
[20:54] <oSoMoN> what is this "'NoneType' object is not iterable" error?
[20:54] <robru> oSoMoN: somebody else's silo has a branch instead of a merge and the train explodes while trying to mark other silos dirty
[20:54] <robru> oSoMoN: the publish was successful
[20:55] <oSoMoN> robru, ok
[20:55] <barry> well, i've reached my destination for the week, so i'll no longer be guarding the train today
[20:55] <robru> barry: thanks for filling in
[20:56] <barry> robru: so much nicer than the spreadsheet! :)
[20:56] <robru> barry: glad you like it! it's only going to get better!
[20:56] <robru> oSoMoN: ^^ that's a better status
[20:57] <oSoMoN> robru, yeah, that’s better indeed :)


[13:32] <acheronuk> I marked a lubuntu test case as a fail, due to bug #1706859
[13:32] <acheronuk> but as per discussion in #ubuntu-release, that should not not stop things being marked as ready when everything else is a 'go'
 HELLO ACHERONUK!!
 .___.
[13:35] <acheronuk> hello
[13:36]  * acheronuk wonders is tsimonq2 ever sleeps nowadays
[13:36] <acheronuk> *if
 he does, only when I need him .__.
 Lol
 😐
 Go back to sleep! And dream about my branch merge proposal!
 .____.
 acheronuk: It almost feels like I sleep for a long period of time twice a week :P
 @VikingRedwolf, But I'm at school :P
 And? Sleep! I used to do it 😐
 must be a name for that sort of sleep pattern
 Yes. Mutt.
 @acheronuk, Stress :P
 Like doggos, he sleeps 5 minutes every 30.
 @acheronuk, bi-somniac?
 bi-weekly-somniac
 Lol
 That's a polyphasic sleep schedule
 I could not be bothered to look it up
 Lol
 Poly-what?
 @VikingRedwolf, Polyphasic Sleep Schedule
 anyone able to do the lubuntu test cases on your isos?
 -release are asking as they want to ship the beta soon
[19:18] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[19:18] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Next Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
 simon, do I need to prepare separated buttons for both downloads, next and "old"?
[19:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[19:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[19:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Alternate i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
[19:24] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Artful Beta 2] has been marked as ready
 @VikingRedwolf, Yes please, but I'll want a disclaimer message on Next.


[04:21] <lucas70> I have a really old laptop I wanna install lubuntu, but I couldn't find the system requirements anywhere. Can someone enlighten me?
[04:26] <guiverc> lucas70, Lubuntu no longer provides minimum specs (https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/) ....
 You can just install it and try. İ think, a 64 bit processor and 768MB ram should boot lubuntu (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <lucas70> I have a really old laptop I wanna install lubuntu, but I couldn't find the system requirements anywhere. Can someone enlighten me?)
[11:48] <guiverc> @Halis, lucas70 left just as I was typing out my response... why i stopped and just put "...."
 Oh, İ see. Since that question is asked every now and then, İ will write it here, so İ can later just copy & paste it:
 There is no official mininum requirements anymore (https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/)
 It will boot with 768MB of RAM and a 64-bit processor. A internet browser with many open websites can require considerable more RAM, so you need to test, if it is usable in your case.
[15:22] <FatPhil> I'm having trouble hibernating a persistent live-USB onto itself.
[15:22] <FatPhil> I created the USB stick using the mkusb tutorials that are out there, everything boots fine.
[15:23] <FatPhil> Used gparted to shrink the (unwanted) NTFS partition, and stick a RAM-sized swap partition there.
[15:23] <FatPhil> Everything still boots fine.
[15:25] <FatPhil> I added a line to /etc/fstab for that partition, swapon is fine with that.
[15:25] <oerheks> live iso is not recommended in  a hibernate situation
[15:25] <FatPhil> Hibernate *appears* to work. It thinks for a while, then powers down.
[15:25] <FatPhil> However, it powers up into the normal grub boot and I can go into a new session as before.
[15:26] <FatPhil> I haven't used live-USBs since the days of knoppix about a decade back, so don't know what level of tech or complexity they cope with.
[15:27] <FatPhil> the "persistent" nature is a feature I really do like though.
[15:31] <FatPhil> Ah, I didn't do anything with /etc/initramfs-tool/conf.d/resume - not sure what I need to do there.


[00:00] <erichammond> -X preserve extended attributes
[00:01] <erichammond> I'm a huge rsync fan, but there were enough special cases, that I start to wonder if I got them all.
[00:02] <erichammond> A generic tool like this should do the right thing for all edge cases users are likely to come up with.
[00:09] <mdlueck> Has anyone ever heard of start_daemon not backgrounding processes? Suddenly one program trying to use that to start its daemon find the script hanging at the call to start_daemon and the daemon is responsive.
[00:10] <RoAkSoAx> zul, found why I couldn't run the hook and now I can, and it was something related to the apt cache, but now im doing something different to test the hooks and works including the staging
[00:11] <zul> RoAkSoAx: sweet
[00:11] <RoAkSoAx> anyways i'll work on it/test and then bother you for review :)
[00:21] <zul> coolio
[00:54] <sabgenton> what is the command to rebuild device.map
[00:54] <jpds> soren: update-grub ?
[00:54] <jpds> sabgenton: ^--.
[00:55] <smoser> erichammond, i'm just familiar with rsync, and its one command, not 2. so i don't have to check both sides of the pipe
[00:55] <smoser> but, regarding sparse, and acl, and hard links you're definitely right.
[00:55] <erichammond> smoser: That's fine. Just make sure you pack in enough options to really duplicate the contents.
[00:55] <smoser> yeah
[00:55] <sabgenton> grub 2 is a pain it didn't make the autodected boot entrys right
[00:56] <sabgenton> now I have grub entrys that are useless
[00:57] <sabgenton> have to make one in /etc/grub.d/40_custom I guess
[00:59] <sabgenton> oh wait I think it looks at fstab
[00:59] <sabgenton> and it was wrong at the time
[00:59] <sabgenton> will try again
[02:52] <zoran119> hi
[02:53] <zoran119> i have a ubuntu server (8.04 lts) running as a vm on hyper-v and almost every day the clock gets stuck in a 5 second loop...
[02:53] <zoran119> any idea what could be causing the problem?
[02:56] <cef> zoran119: are you running ntpdate or ntpd int hat vm? vm's usually don't need to sync their time, just the host
[02:56] <cef> zoran119: it's the only thing that comes to mind at the moment
[03:40] <maxagaz> how can I can kill such process: root     19294  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb28   0:00 [nfsv4-svc]
[03:41] <twb> maxagaz: that's a kernel thread.
[03:41] <maxagaz> knowing that kill -9 doesn't work
[03:41] <twb> The square brackets mean "I'm the kernel"
[03:41] <twb> (IIUC)
[03:41] <maxagaz> twb, okay
[03:41] <maxagaz> twb, what can I do then ?
[03:42] <maxagaz> twb, it was set by someone else...
[03:42] <twb> rmmod nfs or something, might get rid of it.
[03:42] <twb> Why do you need to get rid of it?
[03:42] <maxagaz> twb, I suspect it to be responsible of lags on the machine
[03:43] <maxagaz> rmmod nfs
[03:43] <maxagaz> ERROR: Module nfs is in use
[03:46] <twb> maxagaz: why do you suspect that?
[03:47] <maxagaz> actually, it seems better since I've unmounted to directory in /tmp
[04:30] <twb> I have a network of 8.04 clients and an 8.04 server.  Users and groups (above 1000) are centralized in an OpenLDAP RFC 2307 database.
[04:30] <twb> Now, I need all users to have access to floppies, i.e. to be in the floppy (25) group.
[04:30] <twb> How do I do that?  The floppy group isn't in LDAP, it's in flat files on each host.
[04:35] <persia> twb: Fiddle /etc/nsswitch.conf and stick it in LDAP?
[04:37] <twb> Thinking laterally, I wonder if I could just use a udev rule to "chgrp users /dev/fd0".
[04:38] <twb> Any old bodge will suffice, but for my own sanity I'd like it to be the least-worst bodge.
[04:38] <persia> Well, of course.
[04:38] <persia> udev rule either means manual management or a local package.  LDAP swich means manual management *and* LDAP config.  Which is less headache?
[04:40] <twb> I should add that the client machines are all netboot from a single image
[04:47] <axisys> i have two disks mirrored .. looking for procedure to upgrade to next release, for example lucid when it is available in apr, and failover back to older release..
[04:48] <persia> twb: That's why "local package".  You deploy something that adds an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and includes your rule (or split in two packages if you like), and then you can update all the machines by tweaking that package, rather than by changing all the netboot images.
[04:48] <axisys> i solaris i break the mirror, while system is running, upgrade the in inactive disk - the detached one from mirror, and reboot from that ..
[04:48] <axisys> s/i solaris/in solaris/
[04:49] <axisys> if the upgrade breaks any os, i switch back to the orig disk
[04:49] <axisys> so one reboot for each is the only outage
[04:49] <axisys> is there something similar available w/ ubuntu server ?
[05:59] <Roxyhart0>  hi there i am trying to install moodle, i just download the files .tgz but when i try to uncompress using the command tar -zxvf moodle-weekly-19.tgz i got error that the file is not format gzip. any idea?
[06:04] <ivoks> file moodle-weekly-19.tgz
[06:06] <Roxyhart0> yes, i just see i can do apt-get moodle, but i am not sure if it can work fine. anyone have experience installing moodle?
[06:06] <ivoks> i don't see why it wouldn't work
[06:09] <Roxyhart0> im trying now thanks
[06:15]  * persia has recently seen a number of .tgz files that were actually uncompressed tarballs.
[06:19] <ivoks> probably web server is doing decompressing
[06:20] <twb> ivoks: if you mean when clicking in firefox, it'll be firefox, not the server sie
[06:20] <twb> *side
[06:20] <ivoks> you think?
[06:20] <twb> ivoks: because of Accept-Encodings: gzip
[06:20] <twb> Firefox thinks the file coming back is gzipped only because it said it supported gzip
[06:20] <ivoks> hm... yeah
[06:21] <twb> You won't see that fail with e.g. wget
[06:21] <twb> ivoks: oh, and also because the server returns application/x-gzip or whatever for .tar.gz
[06:21] <ivoks> true
[06:22] <ivoks> lucid is looking macish
[06:22] <persia> Actually, in at least one case, the decompression had happend prior to it being posted on the website (I spent some time investigating with the person posting the artifact).  Probably the same cause, but don't always blame your browser.
[06:23] <twb> I was just commenting on server vs. browser
[06:23] <ivoks> does w3m supports it?
[06:23] <twb> w3m sends Accept-Encodings: gzip ..., but midori doesn't
[06:23] <ivoks> probably, /lib/libz.so.1
[06:24] <twb> I know this because occasionally my proxy (polipo) will feed the gzipped file to midori and I get garbage onscreen
[06:37] <skrite> can someone reccomend an easy how to for getting postfix to allow a user to send via smtp from a computer not on our lan?
[06:37] <skrite> having an awful time with it
[06:38] <twb> skrite: you want SMTP/SSL on the submission port (587).
[06:38] <twb> I don't know the details
[06:39] <twb> That or become an open gateway and hope for the best until you get RBLd.
[06:39] <skrite> twb, i think i need port 25
[06:39] <skrite> RBLd?
[06:39] <twb> blacklisted
[06:39] <skrite> ah, ok
[06:40] <skrite> then yes !
[06:40] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_submission_agent
[06:41] <skrite> thanks
[07:36] <skrite> this is insane
[07:37] <skrite> i have gone through the examples on the ubuntu wiki about a half dozen times, and still not getting it to work
[07:37] <skrite> just doesn't seem like this should be this difficult
[07:37] <|Mike|> what
[07:38] <|Mike|> struggling with sasl ? :D
[07:39] <skrite> yeah, still struggling
[08:07] <jiboumans> morning
[08:10] <soren> o/
[08:11] <skrite> hey
[08:17] <skrite> do i need to have the full domain name as my host name?  like  machine.mydomain.com ?
[08:17] <lucid_interval> skrite: do you mean for postfix?
[08:17] <skrite> yes
[08:18] <lucid_interval> skrite: you need to tell postfix which hostnames to "receive mail for" - i.e. consider as local machine
[08:18] <lucid_interval> this can be one or more hostnames - can include your FQDN (machine.example.com)
[08:19] <skrite> all the ones listed as mydestination?
[08:20] <lucid_interval> skrite: what is mydestination?
[08:20] <lucid_interval> skrite: yes. whatever is listed as mydestination
[08:21] <lucid_interval> but your hostname is ONE of those values.
[08:21] <skrite> ok
[08:21] <lucid_interval> skrite: and you MIGHT list all of the values under mydestination in /etc/hosts
[08:22] <lucid_interval> skrite: in the simplest of cases, your hostname = machine.example.com, mydestination will be just that
[08:24] <skrite> ok. i am a little confused here.  The machine name with the prefix of the domain.   like our machine is  server.mydomain.com  so when i log in, my prompt looks like server #   however, the mail domain is mail.ourdomain.com
[08:24] <skrite> the hostname of the machine is server
[08:25] <lucid_interval> skrite: then your case is a little more involved. mydestination should include ALL the hostnames in the SMTP context that this postfix instance will consider local
[08:26] <skrite> and the same with the /etc/hosts ?
[08:26] <lucid_interval> skrite: strictly speaking it has NOTHING to do with /etc/hosts or DNS or hostname
[08:26] <skrite> ok
[08:27] <lucid_interval> skrite: if an incoming SMTP connection has a To/CC/BCC email address that is _NOT_
[08:27] <lucid_interval> skrite: one of the values in mydestination, that is considered non-local and the
[08:27] <lucid_interval> skrite: request is effectively a relay request. All email addresses that end in values in mydestination
[08:28] <lucid_interval> skrite are considered "local" and therefore _NOT_ relay requests
[08:28] <skrite> whoa, so i don't want to include them if i am trying to set up an account client that is not within the LAN?
[08:29] <skrite> not on the local network or local machine, i mean.
[08:29] <lucid_interval> skrite: don't understand what you're asking. I was referring to what is considered a relay
[08:29] <skrite> the user has a username and password and a Maildir on the machine, but needs to connect from a mail client not on the same machine
[08:30] <lucid_interval> skrite: request versus request for "local" delivery. There are separate constraints / checks
[08:30] <lucid_interval> skrite: around whether relaying is ALLOWED or not - e.g. AUTH
[08:30] <skrite> ok
[08:30] <skrite> think i get it
[08:31] <lucid_interval> skrite: I get your case now. User has a _LOCAL_ account. But connects with a mail client
[08:31] <skrite> right
[08:31] <lucid_interval> skrite: that will make SMTP requests from a remote network location
[08:31] <skrite> yes
[08:31] <lucid_interval> skrite: presumably some of those requests will be to send email to _OTHER_ users on this local
[08:32] <skrite> actually, no.
[08:32] <lucid_interval> skrite: mail domain (to be "locally" delivered) while other SMTP requests will be to relay emails
[08:32] <lucid_interval> skrite: to other mail domains.
[08:32] <skrite> the mail account is actually for a machine that will only need to send via relay. to other domains
[08:32] <lucid_interval> skrite: the mydestination piece specifies what is considered "local" versus "foreign" (non-local)
[08:33] <lucid_interval> skrite: ok. so case 1 may have ZERO requests. you still need to instruct postfix as to what is for "local"
[08:33] <skrite> ok, so what it considers a relay or not
[08:33] <lucid_interval> skrite: delivery versus "relay". If NOTHING is ever lcoally delivered to users on this box, you should
[08:34] <lucid_interval> skrite: be setting up this postfix as a "smart relay" to relay all mail to the main SMTP host.
[08:34] <lucid_interval> skrite: in that case, this client can also (probably should also) relay via _THAT_ main SMTP host
[08:36] <skrite> ok testing
[08:43] <skrite> what log can i look in to see why smtp is not happening right? mail.log does not show anything when i try to send via smtp
[08:47] <sherr> skrite: what mail server?
[08:49] <skrite> the smtp server
[08:49] <lucid_interval_> skrite: did you finish testing?
[08:51] <skrite> well, sort of, all i am getting from a client is that unable to send check with your network administrator, yadda yadda
[08:52] <skrite> check with the network administrator? i AM the network administrator !
[08:52] <lucid_interval_> can you try sending email _locally_ - to see postfix is accepting incoming mail for local delivery?
[08:53] <skrite> yes, that is working
[08:53] <lucid_interval_> then check from the remote client sending email that should be considered local - for local delivery on the postfix box
[08:53] <lucid_interval_> the final part is selectively enabling relaying based on AUTH (since you don't want to be an open SMTP relay)
[08:53] <skrite> ok
[08:55] <skrite> you mean test from like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:56] <lucid_interval_> skrite: from can be anything. to should be something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>- where mydomain.com is in the mydestination list
[08:56] <lucid_interval_> in fct you should test all teh different values in the mydestination list
[08:56] <skrite> no, i am getting a login failed
[08:59] <lucid_interval_> skrite: so here is where the AUTH part comes in. Did you finish setting up the STARTTLS?
[08:59] <skrite> yes, i think so.
[08:59] <lucid_interval_> skrite: Are you planning on using saslauth directly with postfix or authenticate through dovecot?
[09:00] <skrite> i am good with either, really, dovecot is our pop client and is working
[09:01] <lucid_interval_> skrite: ok. when you do a 'telnet localhost 25' on the postfix box and then type 'ehlo localhost' at the SMTP prompt,
[09:02] <lucid_interval_> skrite: do you see STARTTLS and AUTH?
[09:03] <skrite> I see STARTTLS but  the lines with AUTH are   AUTH PLAIN LOGIN and AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
[09:04] <lucid_interval_> skrite: cool. that works.
[09:04] <lucid_interval_> skrite: take a look atthis page to setup the sasl through dovecot:
[09:04] <lucid_interval_> skrite: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixDovecotSASL
[09:04] <skrite> ok
[09:05] <skrite> thanks for all this, by the way
[09:06] <lucid_interval_> skrite: cool. you're welcome. lots of ppl have helped me too - not least by writing all this awesome FOSS
[09:07] <skrite> :)
[09:11] <\sh> hmm....libjs-query as default install pkg on server flavour? did I miss something? ;)
[09:13] <\sh> bah...python-apt recommends libjs-jquery..wth
[09:23] <sabgenton> in grub2
[09:23] <sabgenton> how does grub-mkconfig know what partion to assign to  root=bla
[09:23] <sabgenton> ?
[09:24] <soren> ttx: I don't know if I'm all alone in this, but I really don't care about eucalyptus bug mail. At all. Yet I get tons of it, because ubuntu-virt is subscribed to it.
[09:25] <soren> ttx: How would you feel about a ubunt-uec team that is subscribed to all things UEC?
[09:26] <soren> ttx: That team, in turn, could be a member of ubuntu-virt (and not the other way around).
[09:26] <ttx> soren: makes sense, maybe send mail to ubuntu-virt members to propose the disassociation ?
[09:27] <soren> ttx: The team consists of all Canonical folks and me and Rick.
[09:28] <soren> ttx: I think it's a matter of jfdi.
[09:28] <ttx> soren: I just don't want people (if any) relying on it to get euca bugmail to be surprised by the move
[09:28] <soren> ttx: Ok, how about this:
[09:28] <soren> ttx: You create ubuntu-uec..
[09:29] <soren> ttx: ..subscribe that team to all the relevant packages (eucalyptus, euca2ools, axis2c, rampart, all the java stuff, etc.)..
[09:29] <soren> ttx: ...I'll e-mail all the members of ubuntu-virt telling them that if they really do care about UEC bug mail, they should join that other team.
[09:30] <soren> ttx: You may want to keep all the java stuff separate.
[09:30] <ttx> soren: ubuntnu-server is already subscribed to those packages... so I don't really see the need for a ubuntu-uec team, tbh
[09:30] <soren> ttx: Oh.
[09:30] <soren> ttx: You are quite right.
[09:31] <soren> Everyone in ubuntu-virt is already ubuntu-server members.
[09:31] <soren> Oh, but they get that bug mail differently.
[09:31] <ttx> soren: yes, that allows them to filter... that's why I prefer to warn about the move before doing it
[09:31] <soren> I'm just fed up to the point where I was about to leave ubuntu-virt, but I really don't want to do that. I feel very close to that team :)
[09:32] <ttx> soren: it all boils down to the purpose of that team
[09:33] <ttx> soren: as the bug supervisor for a number of virt packages, that puts it outside the regular ubuntu-server processes as far as bug review is concerned
[09:33] <ttx> so we discussed moving the virt packages into ubuntu-sever as well
[09:33] <soren> It was meant to consist of people who cared about virtualisation in Ubuntu. It was never really decided whether this membership was supposed to come with special privileges (write access to bzr branches or whatnot), or if it was just a handy way to get more bug mail.
[09:36] <ttx> soren: if everyone agrees the purpose of the team is about key virt packages and not their downstream application (UEC), then yes, your move makes sense
[09:36] <ttx> uec packages are already taken care of in ubuntu-server, so they wouldn't get lost
[09:38] <skrite> lucid_interval_, YOU ROCK !   successful test after setting up with dovecot auth, thanks !
[09:39] <lucid_interval_> skrite: awesome :-)
[09:40] <lucid_interval_> skrite: now if you want to know a LOT more about postfix - check out this presentation: http://www.arschkrebs.de/slides/Postfix_Configuration_and_Administration-handout.pdf
[09:41] <skrite> cool, thanks. certainly will do.
[09:41] <lucid_interval_> skrite: and if you ever want to setup a CLIENT postfix server that is allowed to relay based on a TLS certificate: check out this presentation: http://www.state-of-mind.de/assets/postfix_tls.pdf
[09:42] <skrite> got it
[10:44] <jayvee> so I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 here
[10:45] <jayvee> what's the best way to get Xen working?
[10:45] <jayvee> there isn't any xen-enabled kernel in the repo
[10:45] <jayvee> is xen considered edwardian or something?
[10:48] <soren> jayvee: Xen is not really supported in Ubuntu. Try KVM instead.
[10:48] <jayvee> That's what I've been using, but I'm quite unimpressed with its performance.
[10:48] <jayvee> This copy of Ubuntu has been installing for the past 30 minutes.
[10:49] <soren> Then you're probably not using kvm.
[10:49] <jayvee> module kvm_amd is loaded, and /usr/bin/kvm is running
[10:49] <jayvee> -enable-kvm
[10:49] <soren> jayvee: How are you running kvm? From a command line?
[10:50] <jayvee> within libvirt
[10:50] <soren> jayvee: Through libvirt?
[10:50] <soren> jayvee: Ok.
[10:50] <soren> jayvee: Put the output of "ps -ef | grep kvm" on pastebin
[10:52] <jayvee> soren: http://pastebin.ca/1823647
[10:53] <soren> jayvee: now "sudo ls -l /proc/26559/fd
[10:53] <soren> "
[10:53] <soren> (without the spurious newline, sorry)
[10:53] <jayvee> This is a desktop install, btw. It's going to be a group of NoMachine servers.
[10:54] <soren> A desktop install? With 512 MB of RAM?
[10:54] <soren> That's going to be slow even on real hardware.
[10:54] <|Mike|> soren: are you from sweden btw?
[10:54] <soren> |Mike|: No.
[10:54] <soren> |Mike|: Denmark
[10:54] <jayvee> soren: http://pastebin.ca/1823649
[10:54] <|Mike|> Close tho, your nick sounds pretty familair, as if i seen it before *somewhere*
[10:54] <jayvee> I shut it down and started it, so the PID changed. :)
[10:55] <soren> jayvee: Well, any further diagnostics is unnecessary: 512 MB of RAM desktop installs will always be slow.
[10:55] <jayvee> hmm, runs perfectly fast in VirtualBox
[10:55] <jayvee> I'd use ubuntu-vm-builder to deploy this stuff, except it keeps crashing.
[10:56] <soren> jayvee: With 512 MB it runs fast in VirtualBox? Seriously?
[10:56] <jayvee> yep
[10:56] <ttx> |Mike|: soren is a famous golfer.
[10:56] <iLLiZT> Nothing runs fast on 512 MB
[10:56] <jayvee> heck, I even bump it down to 256 MB once it's finished installing
[10:57] <iLLiZT> What's wrong with you?
[10:57]  * soren smacks ttx around
[10:57] <|Mike|> ttx: lol
[10:57] <iLLiZT> :)
[10:57] <ttx> |Mike|: it's true !
[10:57] <soren> jayvee: Once it's done installing is a completely different story.
[10:57] <jayvee> agreed
[10:58] <jayvee> So you reckon it's a memory thing more than anything?
[10:58] <soren> jayvee: At that point, you don't have a multi-GB disk image as a ramdisk.
[10:58] <iLLiZT> KVM is quite awesome anyway
[10:58] <ttx> Google says he is, it /must/ be true.
[10:58] <iLLiZT> I'd rather go with KVM than Xen.
[10:58] <soren> jayvee: Oh, yeah. Totally.
[10:58] <iLLiZT> But Virtualbox is pretty nifty if you want hosted virtualization
[10:58] <henkjan> jayvee: i'm running a Xen dom0 on debian lenny
[10:58] <soren> iLLiZT: What is "hosted virtualisation"?
[10:58] <henkjan> jayvee: with ubuntu domu's
[10:58] <iLLiZT> soren: Virtualbox, VMware Workstation, etc.
[10:59] <soren> iLLiZT: How is that different from Xen or KVM?
[10:59] <|Mike|> eeuw.
[10:59] <soren> iLLiZT: What about KVM is not "hosted virtualisation"?
[10:59] <soren> I've never heard that term.
[10:59] <iLLiZT> KVM is hosted virtualization as well.
[10:59] <soren> What is /not/ hosted virtualisation, then?
[10:59] <iLLiZT> It's mainly what VMware uses to describe what's not a bare-metal hypervisor.
[10:59] <iLLiZT> VMware, Citrix, Microsoft etc.
[10:59] <soren> What does that even mean?
[11:00] <FireCrotch> soren: it's a VMWare buzz-word
[11:00] <iLLiZT> A bare-metal hypervisor is virtualization without an underlying OS.
[11:00] <FireCrotch> :)
[11:00] <iLLiZT> Yeah
[11:00] <soren> iLLiZT: ...which in and of itself is nonsense.
[11:00] <iLLiZT> Well, naturally they have some sort of OS
[11:00] <soren> There's always an OS.
[11:00] <FireCrotch> since the hypervisor itself is the OS basically
[11:01] <iLLiZT> But their OS is used only for virtualization.
[11:01] <iLLiZT> And nothing else.
[11:01] <soren> What difference does that make?
[11:01] <FireCrotch> Like I said... buzzword :)
[11:01] <iLLiZT> Less overhead, and like FireCrotch says; buzzword
[11:01] <|Mike|> soren: go get em, rawwwwwwww!
[11:01] <soren> bah
[11:02] <jayvee> Are there any virtualisation solutions that don't use disk images?
[11:02] <jayvee> chroots don't count ;)
[11:02] <iLLiZT> jayvee: You could boot vms from iSCSI.
[11:02] <soren> I'd exchange a bit of overhead for not having a /completely separate codebase/ to do virtually the exact same thing as a proper OS /any/ day.
[11:02] <iLLiZT> I don't mind using a server for just virtualization.
[11:03] <jayvee> iLLiZT: never touched iSCSI before
[11:03] <soren> jayvee: What's the problem with disk images?
[11:03] <jayvee> oh, nothing
[11:03] <jayvee> just curious
[11:03] <soren> What counts as a "disk image" in your book?
[11:03] <jayvee> just cloning a disk image at the moment, and it crossed my mind
[11:03] <blinkiz> Hello. Installed "redhat-cluster-suite" and now I can not boot my machine anymore. Last message at boot is "dlm: Using TCP for communications". Anyone know how to resolve this?
[11:03] <soren> Maybe that's the right question to ask.
[11:04] <jayvee> disk image = vmdk, vdi, img, etc.
[11:04] <soren> jayvee: Sure. KVM can use other stuff.
[11:04] <soren> jayvee: It can use a disk, partition, lv, whatever.
[11:04] <FireCrotch> so can Virtualbox, I think
[11:04] <jayvee> I'm thinking more folder on the hard drive without a filesystem
[11:05] <blinkiz> I know how to make it go away. Just boot the server with USB stick and remove all deps of redhat-cluster-suite. But heay, I want cman, clvm, nfs and stuff
[11:05] <iLLiZT> So, anyone install 3.1.4 yet?
[11:05] <jayvee> but that would require NFS
[11:05] <soren> jayvee: LXC.
[11:05] <jayvee> bit like what some LTSP setups use, I spose
[11:05] <iLLiZT> Default behaviours have changed a bit
[11:05] <iLLiZT> Seems promising.
[11:05] <jayvee> soren: interesting — not heard of that
[11:05] <jayvee> and there's a libvirt driver
[11:05] <soren> Yes.
[11:06] <jayvee> speaking of which, I was trying to get libvirt to talk to virtualbox the other day
[11:06] <jayvee> had some error
[11:06] <jayvee> hang on
[11:06] <jayvee> hmm, wow, it works
[11:06] <jayvee> heh, never mind :)
[11:07] <jayvee> hmm, not as good as I hoped though. doesn't support the libvirt chrome, and doesn't run headless.
[11:07] <blinkiz> Currently setting up a new virtualization environment here. One storage server and two virtualization servers. Using iSCSI with cluster LVM. have it working! Pretty cool.
[11:08] <jayvee> cool, lxc looks awesome
[11:09] <jayvee> even less vm'ish than openvz
[11:09] <jayvee> does it use UML?
[11:11] <jayvee> actually, doesn't look like it uses separate kernels at all
[11:11] <jayvee> similar to openvz, from what I recall
[11:12] <blinkiz> jayvee, yeah, LXC is the future of openvz.
[11:14] <jayvee> I presume my kernel already supports it.
[11:15] <blinkiz> jayvee, yes. You have to ask someone else how mature LXC is. Ask soren
[11:21] <soren> Well, people are using it in production. It's been around for a while. I believe I heard its security model leaves a bit to be desired, though, but that may not matter for your use case.
[11:28] <jayvee> hmm, that was a bad idea
[11:29] <jayvee> ran lxc-create --name=larry, then lxc-start --name=larry
[11:29] <jayvee> and my whole system came to a grinding halt
[11:29] <jayvee> my display went all pretty colours, and then got dumped back to a tty
[11:29] <jayvee> I think I should have read the man page first. ;)
[11:48] <twb> Manpages are for wimps
[12:03] <garymc> Hi guys, anyone know where I look to see if bots are hitting my web server?
[12:03] <garymc> and what i look for?
[12:14] <oly> hi, can anyone tell me if there would be any issues with running openvz and kvm along side each other
[12:51] <pecisk> Hi people, I can't boot upgraded server system, it is known bug/issue? It was pure Karmic server install and then do-release-upgrade -d
[12:52] <pecisk> Hangs on kernel 'Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.'
[12:57] <pmatulis> pecisk: what kind of system is it?
[12:58] <pecisk> well, I solved problem, sorry to bother :)
[12:58] <twb> pecisk: rather, it probably hangs immediately AFTER that.
[12:58] <pecisk> it was VirtualBox, needed acpi=off for some strange reason
[12:59] <pmatulis> pecisk: right, it's a VB issue
[12:59] <smoser> ttx, ping
[13:00] <ttx> smoser: pong
[13:00] <zul> morning
[13:01] <smoser> ttx, pm
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: ping
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: i'm going to a cherry pick of the 4 commits at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eucalyptus-maintainers/eucalyptus/1.6.2
[13:25] <kirkland> ttx: any objections?
[13:26] <kirkland> ttx: i'll build/upgrade my local packages and sniff test before uploading
[13:26] <ttx> kirkland: no objection
[13:26] <ttx> Note that I uploaded a new release
[13:26] <bogeyd6> mandriva instanton is a very neat concept
[13:26] <ttx> a couple hours ago
[13:30] <twb> Meh.
[13:31] <twb> I'd rather get Debian booting faster than adopt Mandrivia.
[13:32] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_on indicates almost all the vendors run Splashtop, a proprietary Linux distro.
[13:32] <kirkland> ttx: okay
[13:32] <kirkland> ttx: i'll get on it
[13:34] <bogeyd6> twb, agreed
[13:34] <twb> Seems to me that with live-helper you get pretty good boot times.
[13:35] <twb> I'm using it to boot a 200MB-ish Lucid system that just runs surf and mplayer, and that comes up in... let's time it...
[13:38] <twb> Not too good -- 32 seconds for a 1.5GHz Via C7
[13:38] <twb> My laptop's around 15s for a 630MHz Celeron, but I don't start X.
[13:41] <ttx> kirkland: saw my pm ?
[13:41] <kirkland> ttx: no
[13:41] <ttx> kirkland: and now ?
[13:41] <kirkland> ttx: yup
[14:11] <Jeeves_> Bah. Live migration still doens't work :(
[14:15] <Daviey> zul: Have you seen that php 5.3.2 bug and "Security Enhancements" release has been made?
[14:15] <zul> Daviey: yep I have
[14:16] <Daviey> zul: what do you think about bumping to it?
[14:16] <zul> Daviey: umm....maybe :)
[14:17] <zul> Daviey: ill take a look at it this afternon
[14:19] <Daviey> zul: neat
[14:25] <Jeeves_> IRC-REVOKE. Live migration does work
[14:43] <_ruben> Jeeves_: in what kind of environment? plain kvm? "free" live migration sure make me wanna play around with kvm (and possibly xen). as our current choice of virtualization product, vmware esxi, surely has a hefty pricetag on its live migration feature
[14:44] <Jeeves_> _ruben: Libvirt, KVM, Ubuntu Lucid
[14:45] <smoser> kirkland, ttx, bug 532682
[14:45] <_ruben> Jeeves_: nice, nfs storage i guess?
[14:46] <Jeeves_> _ruben: No, iscsi
[14:46] <_ruben> Jeeves_: ah, interesting
[14:46] <_ruben> Jeeves_: where do you handle the iscsi? in the vm or the host?
[14:47] <Jeeves_> Sun Unified Storage
[14:48] <_ruben> you and your suns ;)
[14:49] <Jeeves_> :)
[14:52] <ogra> arent they oracles nowadays ?
[14:53] <Jeeves_> Yes
[14:53] <Jeeves_> So we switched to Fujitsu servers
[14:53] <ogra> so what do they predict ? :)
[14:53] <Jeeves_> But the Sun storage kicks ass
[14:57] <_ruben> Jeeves_: what fs do you for your shared storage?
[14:57] <_ruben> +use
[14:58] <henkjan> _ruben: shared storage to host the vms?
[14:58] <henkjan> _ruben: eacht vm has its own iscsi lun
[15:02] <Jeeves_> _ruben: What henkjan says
[15:03] <_ruben> ah ok
[16:03] <zul> ivoks: ping
[16:07] <ttx> zul: he's not around
[16:07] <zul> bah
[16:51] <dvrcoder> hi. question: is there any kind of problem with .ssh/authorized_keys when /home/USERNAME is a symlink to /bla/home/USERNAME?
[16:56] <jbroome> The tinyurl in the /topic is broken.
[17:09] <Andy-at-home> guys, see to access my webmin on my vps, is that not just http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:10000 to log into it?
[17:19] <jbroome> IIRC, that's the default port for webmin
[17:19] <jbroome> may be https, i don't remember
[17:20] <_ruben> !webmin
[17:22] <Andy-at-home> still supported in 9.0.4 by any chance?
[17:24] <fullstop> Has anyone seen a segfault generating grub.cfg when updating the linux-server-image?
[17:24] <fullstop> http://www.pastebin.org/101841
[17:27] <_ruben> Andy-at-home: no, iirc webmin was dropped years ago
and its 9.04, not 9.0.4</nitpick>
[17:28] <fullstop> actually update-grub segfaults on 9.10 server.. odd.
[17:34] <qman__> Andy-at-home, webmin was dropped before 8.04 LTS, and is not in any supported versions
[17:53] <zul> kirkland: ping what happens when qemu-kvm userland and kernel is mismatched?
[17:54] <kirkland> zul: how mismatched?
[17:54] <kirkland> zul: there are "recommended combinations", I'd say
[17:54] <kirkland> zul: but modern qemu-kvm should work with most kvm's from the last, say year+ ?
[17:54] <zul> so should the qemu-kvm use dkms?
[17:55] <zul> kirkland: okies then
[17:55] <kirkland> zul: oh, the dailies?
[17:56] <kirkland> zul: that would be phenomenal for the dailies ...  is the kvm kernel source in the qemu-kvm tarball?  /me checks
[18:31] <hink> How do i reprocess all messages in the mailq
[18:32] <ivoks> postqueue -f
[18:33] <zul> smoser: dude that was quick...the ebs stuff congrats
[18:33] <zul> ivoks: or you could it the traditional way and telnet localhost 25 and do a ETRN ;0
[18:34] <smoser> thanks zul.
[18:34] <smoser> have a nice weekend all
[18:34] <smoser> i'nm out now
[18:47] <skettles> ciao a tutti
[18:47] <skettles> chi mi aiuta?
[18:47] <skettles> hi all anyone help me?
[18:48] <skettles> c'è qualcuno?
[18:49] <guntbert> !it | skettles
[18:49] <skettles> sorry me
[18:52] <ivoks> !hr | ivoks
[18:52] <ivoks> lol, nice
[18:53] <acalvo_> hi
[18:53] <acalvo_> is there any way to monitor the memory usage and output it to a file or so?
[18:54] <acalvo_> a server started crashing once a day for the last week
[18:54] <acalvo_> and I want to know which process takes it down
[18:54] <acalvo_> since it gets hung
[18:54] <acalvo_> I'm trying to figure out how to detect the process that is eating all the memory
[18:55] <ivoks> well, there's that thing called oom-killer
[18:55] <acalvo_> yes, I've seen it
[18:55] <ivoks> it randomly kills process when there's no memory
[18:55] <acalvo_> but the server dies always
[18:56] <ivoks> it dies in the sense you can't connect to it or it freezes?
[18:57] <acalvo_> I can't connect to it
[18:57] <acalvo_> but it respond to pings
[18:57] <ivoks> so it kills ssh :)
[18:57] <acalvo_> it's a VM
[18:57] <acalvo_> and I can't log in neither
[18:57] <ivoks> huh
[18:57] <acalvo_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421823
[18:57] <acalvo_> I've posted a question
[18:58] <acalvo_> and I'd like to know which process is killing it
[18:58] <ivoks> top -b > logfile
[18:58] <acalvo_> ok, fine!
[18:59] <ivoks> funny name fot RealtimeKit user
[18:59] <ivoks> rtkit
[18:59] <ivoks> running rtkit-daemon
[19:00] <ivoks> makes your heart skip a beat
[19:01] <acalvo_> btw
[19:01] <acalvo_> ivoks: I guess you're developers of ubuntu, aren't you?
[19:01] <acalvo_> I've spend the last months around here asking (basic) questions
[19:01] <acalvo_> and some of you are always here
[19:02] <Andy-at-home> so webmin isnt going to work on version 9.04?
[19:02] <Andy-at-home> im logged in and can view the navigation sidebar but no links seem to load
[19:02] <ivoks> acalvo_: yes
[19:02] <ivoks> Andy-at-home: webmin ins't something we care about
[19:02] <ivoks> Andy-at-home: isn't
[19:03] <acalvo_> working in cloud computing for ubuntu (eukalyptus) i guess
[19:03] <ivoks> Andy-at-home: but i don't see how non-working web page is caused by OS
[19:03] <jbroome> wow, the webmin thing is still going on
[19:03] <Andy-at-home> what would you recommend?
[19:04] <jbroome> ssh and the CLI like linus intended
[19:04] <qman__>  /agree
[19:04] <Andy-at-home> mmm
[19:05] <_ruben> !ebox
[19:05] <ivoks> ebox is cool
[19:06] <acalvo_> thanks!
[19:06] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, applying for UDS sponsorship i guess?
[19:06] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: maybe
[19:07] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, why not? not going?
[19:07] <ivoks> i'm planing on moving to redhat
[19:07] <james_w> hi. I'd like to try the cloud-init/puppet integration, but I can't see how to bootstrap it to tell it to do the puppet stuff. Is it done via user-data?
[19:07] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, lol
[19:08] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: :D
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> seriosly?
[19:08] <ivoks> of course not :D
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> hahaha
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> I will apply but prolly wont get it since I didn't contribute as I expected and as much as I did previous release cycle :(
[19:08] <RoAkSoAx> cause of my surgeries :(
[19:09] <ivoks> well, i don't know how they decide
[19:09] <ivoks> but since it's close, i might even go on a road trip :)
[19:10] <RoAkSoAx> yeah that's cool
[19:10] <RoAkSoAx> if i don't get sponsorship i'll probably go back to peru for a few months
[19:10] <ivoks> sounds like ultimatum :D
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, yeah from my dad hahaha
[19:11] <ivoks> 'sponsor me, or i'll go home'
[19:11] <ivoks> :D
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> he doesn't want me to stay in the US through the summer
[19:12] <ivoks> take care
[19:12] <ruben23> hi i have lvextend a logical volume, but still i cant see its size what is the next step i should do..?
[19:12] <ivoks> extend partition
[19:12] <ivoks> is it ext3?
[19:12] <ruben23> yes
[19:12] <ivoks> bah, filesystem, not partition
[19:13] <ruben23> belogn to vg
[19:13] <ivoks> resize2fs
[19:14] <ivoks> it can expand mounted filesystem
[19:14] <ivoks> so, just fire it ;)
[19:14] <ivoks> resize2fs /dev/vg/lv
[19:15] <ruben23> online resizing now
[19:15] <ivoks> ruben23: and remember, df shows size of filesystem, not a partition
[19:15] <ivoks> your partition can be 1TB, but filesystem can be 1GB
[19:16] <ruben23>  ivoks: yes thank you, you save me form doom..
[19:16] <ivoks> good night everybody
[19:17] <ruben23> my var LVM is 98 percent on usage-in minute it will be full
[19:17] <ruben23> goodnight
[19:23] <james_w> aha, doc/examples/cloud-config-puppet.txt, score
[19:31] <Jeeves_Moss> are there any good open source managed services platforms that run on Ubuntu? I'm looking to manage Windows/Ubuntu/Mac systems, and I would love to keep it open source
[19:32] <|Mike|> "huh"?
[19:35] <Pirate_Hunter> does 8.04 come with lmv2 by default?
[19:41] <Jeeves_Moss> |Mike| managed services.  google man
[19:44] <|Mike|> Jeeves_Moss: then i still don't get your question. You're looking for *something* what offers Ubuntu virtual machines to run "services" on?
[19:46] <Jeeves_Moss> |Mike| nope.  I'm looking for a managed services platform that the main server runs on a Ubuntu box.  Something like N-Able, keyesa, etc
[19:48] <|Mike|> so basicly you're looking for a managed solution to deploy your (opensource, or licensed) application on?
[19:49] <|Mike|> (which runs Ubuntu)
[20:00] <ruben23> hi deleting a directory with a very large size--> what is the best syntaxs should i have..?
[20:00] <|Mike|> rm -rf bla
[20:01] <|Mike|> how big is big? :)
[20:01] <ruben23> |Mike|: hmmm strange i have run like that but the directory was not delete after i have check the next morning.. it 90 GB
[20:02] <|Mike|> it does contain a lot of files ruben23 ?
[20:03] <ruben23> yes large number of files, audio recordings
[20:04] <ruben23> |Mike|: i would like to create a simple script for it to be move to a cifs windows shared directory..but unsuccesful.
[20:04] <|Mike|> for i in `ls -l a*`; do rm -rf $1; done ?
[20:05] <|Mike|> (what is a cifs windows share?)
[20:06] <ruben23> yes
[20:07] <ruben23> how do i create the script for it..? someone suggested before about Xargs
[20:07] <|Mike|> they all have the same extension?
[20:12] <ruben23> no, they have different..coz it an audio files
[20:12] <ruben23> for every different person recorded
[20:13] <ruben23> mike sorry for a late reply..
[20:14] <ruben23> |Mike|:you there..?
[20:15] <|Mike|> yep
[20:16] <ruben23>  |Mike|:can i ask help on it, for a simple script
[20:18] <|Mike|> sure
[20:18] <|Mike|> pastebin it :)
[20:20] <ruben23> |Mike|: what should i pastebin.?
[20:21] <|Mike|> the script where you where working on?
[20:22] <|Mike|> but what are you trying to achieve with the script? Just remove a directory which contains a shitload of data?
[20:23] <Pirate_Hunter> wonders if he should be adventurers and use alpha3 for a live server, butterflies in my gut but my mind says yes
[20:24] <ruben23> im planing to move it to a CIFS shared drive...so my directory would be empty
[20:24] <ruben23> need script to make it automatic..that i would missed that might my server drive will get full
[20:29] <|Mike|> (what is a CIFS share ?)
[20:31] <ruben23> windows shared drive/directory to my ubuntu-server..
[20:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, is it possible to convert a vmware image into a kvm image?
[20:36] <|Mike|> ruben23: is it like drag and drop or.. ?
[20:40] <jbernard> kirkland: byobu_multi.svg seems to have not made it into the deb
[20:43] <ruben23> yes...mapped to a windows drive directory
[20:58] <histo> Alright I want to be able to use php's mail function just to send emails on a contact page.
[20:58] <histo> So I guess I have to install postfix?
[21:00] <histo> Or someone is suggesting to use the mail function to send thej mail with googles smtp
[21:11] <histo> Anyone around?
[21:40] <resno> question about running a mail server. whats involved in config, etc?
[21:41] <histo> yes like I just need postfix to work withe mail fuction of php. I don't need it for anythign elese
[21:41] <kirkland> jbernard: well, it's kinda big right now
[21:41] <histo> Like users aren't going to be connecting etc... And I want it secure so that someone can't start sending spam with it.
[21:41] <kirkland> jbernard: need to scale it way down
[21:41] <kirkland> jbernard: takes up too much space
[21:56] <zroysch> what steps should be taken to verify that a partitions data is completely unrecoverable
[21:56] <zroysch> before starting over
[22:08] <histo> I'm going to use ssmtp
[22:08] <histo> Can you do a server install from the mini.iso?
[22:10] <histo> man this channel is a hoping place.
[23:07] <james_w> anyone tried to boot the EBS-based AMIs that Scott posted?