[00:05] <SirKK> Hello
[00:06] <SirKK> HOw can i install an old realeas of ghostscript in my system
[00:06] <SirKK> Id like ghostscript 9.23
[00:09] <SirKK> So?.. Anyone?
[00:12] <SirKK> Cant believe nobody is answering ubuntu related questions, lulz
[00:15] <genii> I see 9.22, 9.25, and 9.26 but not 9.23
[00:15] <genii> SirKK: Which Ubuntu release are you on?
[00:16] <SirKK> Im on 18.04 , id like to try 9.22
[00:16] <SirKK> I see the program dev stopped in august 2018 and want to try older versions of ghostscript
[00:16] <genii> SirKK: You can try override with something like sudo apt-get install ghostscript=9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1
[00:18] <genii> If you need it to stay at a particular lower version, look into pinning
[00:18] <genii> !pinning
[00:19] <SirKK> genii the command is not working, doesent it says 26 is to be installed
[00:20] <genii> 9.22 is in main. Does: apt-cache policy ghostscript show some different versions?
[00:21] <genii> I'm seeing 9.26~dfsg+0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> in bionic-updates and bionic-security and 9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1 in main
[00:22] <SirKK> No, only that one
[00:22] <SirKK> Can i use the main software with 18.04=?
[00:22] <genii> Maybe try running sudo apt-get update first
[00:23] <genii> SirKK: Yes, I'm on 18.04 and seeing it as an option here to install
[00:23] <SirKK> Actually, i do see a 9.22 but the source is followe with a 500
[00:26] <genii> Maybe you're seeing a different 9.22 version than me ( I see 9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1 )
[00:26] <SirKK> The following packages have unmet dependencies: ghostscript : Depends: libgs9 (= 9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1) but 9.26~dfsg+0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> is to be installed
[00:27] <genii> Yeah, that's where it starts now to get into dependency hell
[00:27] <SirKK> Ok im uninstalling libgs9
[00:28] <Towser> What's a good utility for making a gparted live cd in Ubuntu with minimal disk space?
[00:28] <SirKK> Now reinstalling
[00:29] <SirKK> Well its weird, 9.22 asks for libgs9 but libgs9 only likes 9.26
[00:31] <Towser> When making a gparted iso bootable which one do I need x64 or i684?
[00:31] <SirKK> Found a deb file
[00:31] <genii> SirKK: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/ghostscript is showing there's also a matching libgs9 version for the 9.22, you would need to install it specifically first like sudo apt-get install libgs9=9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1
[00:32] <genii> ..although it may also have it's own dependencies which are currently at 9.26
[00:33] <genii> And yes, it does, libgs9-common
[00:35] <SirKK> Dependency is not satisfiable: libgs9-common (= 9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1)
[00:35] <SirKK> What now?
[00:36] <genii> SirKK: Same technique. Install 9.22-specific version of libgs9-common, then libgs9, then ghostscript
[00:37] <genii> ..every time packagename followed by version with an =versionnumberhere like 9.22~dfsg+1-0ubuntu1
[00:37] <SirKK> Ghostscript 9.22 i had to look for a deb on google, couldnt get it through command line¿ Should i do same?
[00:37] <genii> SirKK: The old debs are in the archives
[00:38] <SirKK> archive manager?
[00:38] <SirKK> I found debs on launchpad and i gdebi them
[00:41] <SirKK> I have ghostscript 9.22
[00:41] <SirKK> Thanks genii for walking me through it
[00:42] <genii> SirKK: If you need your version to stay lower than what automatic updates want to install, you should also look at that pinning factoid from the bot
[00:42] <genii> Otherwise every time updates run it will bump up to 9.26 again
[00:43] <SirKK> Well that is done somethint to the program i was trying to run the bug is different now
[00:46] <SirKK> genii before deb were opened automatic by software manager when clicked on them, what happened to that?¿
[00:47] <genii> SirKK: I don't know, I always use the commandline
[00:48] <genii> File manager is supposed to associate gdebi with package files though
[00:50] <SirKK> genii i have pstoedit 3.70 is the one for 18.04
[00:50] <SirKK> Do you think i could install 3.73 ? Is the one for ubuntu 19 ..
[00:51] <genii> Probably not
[00:52] <genii> SirKK: I do see a PPA which has pstoedit 3.74-1 for Bionic
[00:53] <genii> ( as well as for 17.10, 19.04, and 1910)
[00:53] <genii> ..and 18.10
[00:53] <SirKK> 18.04?
[00:53] <genii> Yep
[00:53] <genii> SirKK: https://launchpad.net/~reviczky/+archive/ubuntu/pstoedit
[00:57] <SirKK> Yup that worked, so cool
[00:58] <SirKK> OMG, the program is working
[00:58] <SirKK> So cool! Thanks genie
[00:58] <genii> Glad to assist
[00:58] <SirKK> I dont think it was the ghostscript, i think it was the pstoedit
[01:03] <SirKK> Really happy, thanks.
[01:36] <guano> how do I burn a .img file to dvd?
[01:37] <lotuspsychje> !burn | guano
[01:39] <Echo1959> any9one awake?
[01:39] <lotuspsychje> Echo1959: start with a question mate
[01:39] <guano> how do I make my bluetooth stereo, it only seems to output in mono
[01:40] <Echo1959> jsut checking,...OK, I went to 1904 an dnoticed right off the bat that there are a few things not working such as the web cam.  Is there a fox for the web cam?
[01:40] <Echo1959> a fix not a fox
[01:40] <StupidLikeAFox> huh?
[01:41] <Echo1959> lol,..sorry fox.
[01:42] <Echo1959> Guano, if its anything like my bluetooth headset, Look in the sound settings and see if there is a switch that takes it to set it to left right channel.
[01:43] <Echo1959> If memory serves me right, I havent used it for a couple months but, in mono, you have a mic option too
[01:43] <Echo1959> in sterio you have just the two channels, left and right
[01:43] <Echo1959> thats my two cents
[01:43] <guano> nope iy registers as a headset and is mono, it
[01:43] <Echo1959> loo in the settings and see if yo can set it to sterio
[01:43] <guano> it's supposed to be sterio
[01:44] <Echo1959> uh huh
[01:44] <Echo1959> ive had two sets of headphones and they both regester that way.
[01:44] <guano> and no in settings I can't change it
[01:44] <Echo1959> yo ucan set it to either mono with mic
[01:44] <Echo1959> or
[01:44] <Echo1959> sterio and yo loose the mic
[01:45] <Echo1959> it might be a limitation of the bandwidth of the bluetooth service
[01:45] <guano> I don't need the mic
[01:45] <Echo1959> im not sure
[01:45] <Echo1959> i figured that
[01:45] <Echo1959> see if yo ucan set it to sterio
[01:46] <Echo1959> dose anyone haave any input for the CAM ISSUE?
[01:46] <Echo1959> in 19.04?
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> Echo1959: easy on the enter button please
[01:47] <Echo1959> sorry,....will do
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> Echo1959: when you ask a question, place details all in 1 line, then be patient until someone can help you
[01:47] <Echo1959> kk
[01:50] <guano> ok now bluetooth won't turn on or off
[01:52] <Echo1959> 1804 or 1904?
[01:53] <guano> 1804
[01:53] <Echo1959> now that is a supprise,..."When all else fails,...REBOOT"
[01:56] <guano> how do I update everything?
[01:58] <neildugan> I have a libvirt VM... I am using a zfs pool inside that VM... but I can't stop it auto-mounting the pool... I have tried editing /etc/default/zfs and setting the 'cachefile=none' option of the pool... but it is always auto mounting the pool :-(
[02:11] <prestocaso> anyone here have any experience with ubuntu on arm?
[02:12] <prestocaso> Ive got a chromebook plus, and am curious about what options I have?
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> !arm | prestocaso
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> prestocaso: think these days ubuntu install pretty well on chromebooks
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> prestocaso: but ask the channel about the specifics ok, good luck!
[02:14] <prestocaso> got it I'll check with ubuntu arm then, thanks
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> welcome prestocaso
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> prestocaso: you could also test a liveusb, see how things work out of the box
[02:31] <s0rcerer> anyone experienced problems in 18.04 with video being choppy in we browsers? i tried disabling hardware acceleration and it didnt help
[02:32] <s0rcerer> choppy/laggy/freezes up for a second
[02:32] <s0rcerer> 18.04.3
[02:33] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: only in browsers or videoplayers too?
[02:34] <s0rcerer> in web browsers for sure havent tried video play, let me find a video to download and check it quick
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: lets have a look on pastebin with this too please: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a
[02:35] <black_13> is there a front end application that uses tesseract ?
[02:35] <s0rcerer> web browser
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: wich browser are you on please?
[02:38] <s0rcerer> www.pastebin.com/fETJRa2Z
[02:38] <s0rcerer> firefox 68.0.2
[02:38] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: ah, the problem is you are on nouveau i think
[02:39] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: wich drivers showup when you: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[02:40] <s0rcerer> nvida - 340 && nvidia-drover-390
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: ok, lets try: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390 and reboot please
[02:41] <s0rcerer> kk its downloading
[02:48] <s0rcerer> restarting it
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> ok
[02:51] <s0rcerer> no video now
[02:51] <s0rcerer> screen is black
[02:51] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: sudo lshw -C video again please
[02:52] <s0rcerer> i cant, the screen is black
[02:52] <s0rcerer> cant see nuffin
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: cant boot into desktop?
[02:52] <s0rcerer> nope cant see terminal either
[02:52] <s0rcerer> imma try to force a reboot once
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | s0rcerer to get in
[02:53] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: or shift hold at boot to enter grub, and safe graphics mode
[02:56] <s0rcerer> okay the force reboot worked
[02:56] <s0rcerer> and the video card thang fixed it
[02:56] <s0rcerer> ty
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: nvidia-smi to see if it worked
[02:57] <lotuspsychje> should show your active driver & chipset
[02:57] <s0rcerer> geforce gt 750m
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: driver 390 also loaded?
[02:58] <s0rcerer> yes ty
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: great, do you know howto handle optimus?
[03:00] <s0rcerer> no
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: with nvidia-settings you can choose between performance mode (nvidia) or powersaving mode (intel) now, hence your graphics needs
[03:01] <s0rcerer> oh ok i see what your talkin bout
[03:01] <s0rcerer> im in the settings box
[03:01] <s0rcerer> which is better to use?
[03:02] <s0rcerer> i dont do anything other then youtube and watch a movie on it here and there
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: well then you might wanna chosoe intel, for daily use and powersaving
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> test it out, if your happy with YT performance there
[03:04] <s0rcerer> cool seems to work fine with intel
[03:04] <s0rcerer> thank you
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> great, np
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> s0rcerer: remember for your card you have optimus, its better to use the nvidia driver in the future
[03:07] <guano> how do I write a .img to ubs bootable?
[03:09] <guano> the image writer doesn't work it says my usb isn't bbig enough when it is
[03:17] <u0_a143> ping
[03:17] <u0_a143> hi
[03:18] <lotuspsychje> u0_a143: can we help you?
[04:24] <luke1> Hello?
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !ask | luke1
[04:43] <lubuntu> hi
[04:44] <Guest96864> şalsş
[04:44] <Guest96864> heyyy
[04:59] <xiaomo> clear
[04:59] <nt0> how much trouble is it to upgrade from one ubuntu release to the next?
[05:00] <fructose> nt0: Depends on how you quantiy "trouble"
[05:00] <fructose> *quantify
[05:00] <nt0> fructose: i am building a qemu vm for use in my gentoo host
[05:00] <nt0> not sure whether to use LTS and forget about it or use the new hotness and upgrade come january if i'm still using it
[05:01] <nt0> i.e. i have a lot of fun tinkering with OSes and coding
[05:01] <fructose> nt0: LTS is very slow to update. Upgrades are generally not complicated
[05:02] <nt0> i was already leaning towards 19.04, think this seals the deal
[05:08] <neverblue> hi guys, I have installed VMWare, to host my Ubuntu VM. After a certain inactivity, I am left with a screen showing the date/time. Icons in the top right. How do I log on at this point ?
[05:15] <neverblue> wow, really, you have to pull the page up ?
[05:15] <neverblue> that is disappointing
[05:15] <fructose> neverblue: Huh?
[05:22] <Mcl0vin> howdy folks
[05:22] <Mcl0vin> I am running live from sd card on a laptop. when i try and choose to install the setup complains about there is no cd
[05:22] <Mcl0vin> I tried to mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1/cdrom and still no luck any help would be appreciated
[05:22] <amosbird> what command can I use to show current primary screen's resolution other than xrandr (which is slow)
[05:23] <nt0> Mcl0vin: the kali image you have probably doesn't have the required drivers in its initramfs
[05:25] <Mcl0vin> nt0: thank you, I installed if from kali website. which image would you suggest i should download to be able to install
[05:25] <nt0> Mcl0vin: just use a usb stick if possible and save yourself this headache
[05:25] <Mcl0vin> nt0: don't have one :(
[05:25] <nt0> Mcl0vin: do you have a cd that you can burn?
[05:26] <Mcl0vin> nope
[05:26] <nt0> Mcl0vin: i'm not sure what to do then.  probably should keep it in #kali as this doesn't have anything to do with #ubuntu
[05:27] <nt0> ubuntu might have a few OT channels where you can ask, though
[05:41] <Ascavasaion> HOw can I start a daemon at startup?  I want xscreensaver to start automatically each time I boot.
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: startup items create: xscreensaver -nosplash
[05:43] <Ascavasaion> lotuspsychje, Where do I do that so that it runs each time?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> Ascavasaion: startup items
[05:48] <Ascavasaion> Let me try...b rb
[06:03] <Ascavasaion> lotuspsychje, Think I got it sorted.  Thank yo9u
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> welcome Ascavasaion
[06:15] <blogten> hello lotuspsychje... are you around?
[06:17] <blogten> well, maybe that user is not around.
[06:20] <blogten> in any case, I just upgraded a Supermicro to 18.04 LTS from 16.04 LTS, and now the console monitor does not display anything at all (after the BIOS and boot sequence do display, of course).  swapping ttys with the keyboard: no difference.  I can ssh into the box, there are no obvious errors (dmesg).  I suspect a kernel mode set may be the problem (
[06:20] <blogten> NVIDIA GTX 660), but adding nouveau.modeset=0 to the kernel boot options does not fix the problem.  the latest NVIDIA drivers are installed, from the PPA source.  what else should I look at?
[06:24] <ducasse> blogten: if you are using the nvidia drivers then a nouveau option will do nothing
[06:24] <blogten> indeed, has no effect.  what else could I be doing wrong here?
[06:25] <blogten> I just verified that NVIDIA 430.40 (installed) does support the GTX 660 in the box.
[06:25] <ducasse> replace nouveau.modeset=0 with nomodeset
[06:25] <blogten> ahh
[06:25] <blogten> sec, will try
[06:26] <blogten> the box is rebooting now, we'll see
[06:31] <blogten> nothing at all after the machine boots.  no grub menu (set to "menu" rather than "hidden"), no ttys.
[06:32] <blogten> just went through dmesg and syslog.  nothing interesting wrt video card.  the NVIDIA driver does load.  the monitor will blink with a white line during the boot process for an instant, but that's about that.
[06:34] <ducasse> can you try another version of the driver?
[06:35] <blogten> 16.04 was working well with 418.  will try rolling back to that one (although I installed 430 because 418 wasn't working after the upgrade).  sec...
[06:36] <blogten> in fact, let me try booting the machine without NVIDIA drivers first
[06:36] <blogten> (thank god I can ssh into it)
[06:37] <ducasse> good idea, try nouveau if you haven't already
[06:37] <blogten> sorry, what is nouveau exactly?  btw the machine has never had a desktop installed, and I'm not interested in that... it's a server box
[06:38] <ducasse> nouveau is the open source nvidia driver
[06:41] <blogten> ok, so now there's no NVIDIA driver.  no grub menu visible, no tty visible, nothing.  just blank.  not even a blinking cursor.
[06:43] <blogten> dmesg says some stuff about a vesafb, makes note of video modes and so on.  seems to be "working", the values make sense, but still there's nothing on the monitor.
[06:45] <Aavar> I am trying to install libpng12 (for teamviewer12) and it gives me a weird error. Is there a simple way to force this or something? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j57k2Kh88t/
[06:46] <blogten> you sure you want the 32 bit version of that?
[06:47] <Aavar> blogten, yes
[06:47] <Aavar> I know it will be messy, but I really need TW11 for work...
[06:48] <blogten> does /lib/i386-linux-gnu exist?
[06:48] <blogten> (btw that's where my ideas run out)
[06:49] <Aavar> blogten, yes it does :)
[06:53] <blogten> I wish I could be of more help, alas no such luck :(
[06:53] <blogten> and of course that directory is writeable and all that, yes?
[07:08] <Aavar> blogten, yes
[07:09] <Aavar> I do believe my system was upgraded from 18.04 before I reinstalled. Maybe that has something to do with it... I will try in a vm
[07:10] <Aavar> Maybe this is a good job for a container...
[07:14] <blogten> side comment: maybe one day, some day, there will be some general emphasis on making things simpler rather than more complex.  that would be nice, for a change.
[07:20] <Aavar> blogten, yeah :D
[07:22] <blogten> btw, nice: ubuntu 18 came with a gcc version that produces code that is about 5% faster than before (whatever was the gcc for ubuntu 16).
[08:58] <V7> Hey all o/
[08:58] <V7> What could this be and it's full of syslog: https://termbin.com/r09l
[08:58] <V7> 2331 lines in log
[08:58] <V7> :D
[08:58] <V7> Thank you for any suggestion :)
[08:59] <ikanobori> You have things in your config file that were removed for your version of rsyslog.
[09:01] <V7> ikanobori: Whu ones?
[09:01] <V7> Which*
[09:01] <V7> Which config file I mean
[09:02] <ikanobori> That depends on the version of rsyslog you're using and what's in your configuration file, the omfile things are described here: https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/modules/omfile.html
[09:02] <V7> Thank you very much. Diggin in
[09:03] <ikanobori> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066997/every-few-minutes-rsyslog-outputs-rsyslogd-action-action-3-resumed-module
[09:03] <ikanobori> Is how I found that link, by the way.
[09:03] <ikanobori> There's a few things online about those types of errors and they all relate to rsyslog misconfiguration.
[09:03] <ikanobori> Perhaps some lines stayed when you updated or such.
[09:05] <V7> Already checked that link before, but didn't help
[09:05]  * V7 reads about omfile configuration above
[09:10] <blogten> hi, why would the GRUB boot menu not even display?  (it's not set to "hidden")  I suspect an NVIDIA issue, but the system worked better with Ubuntu 16 and since upgrading to Ubuntu 18 I can only interact with it via SSH...
[09:12] <V7> #grub ?
[09:12] <V7> ikanobori: Thank you, it seems you were right. It was configuration.
[09:13] <V7> Cheers
[09:13] <ikanobori> Neat :)
[09:18] <blogten> maybe lotuspsychje knows the answer LOL
[09:29] <FreeBDSM> hello. Help me unscrew my system: doing `apt update` and `apt upgrade` resulted into `Failed to restart lvm2-lvmetad.service: Unit lvm2-lvmetad.socket is masked.` for me. I've googled the problem and found some solutions: 1. `sudo systemctl unmask  lvm2-lvmetad && sudo systemctl enable lvm2-lvmetad`. Since `systemctl status` on that unit didn't say it was masked, `systemctl unmask`ing it didn't help.  2. `sudo apt purge lvm2 && sudo apt
[09:29] <FreeBDSM> autoremove && sudo apt install lvm2` - I've ran this and the problem only seems to be gone, but it mutated:
[09:30] <FreeBDSM> `apt update` tells me I've got 4 wine packages to update, but `apt upgrade` tells me: `The following packages have been kept back:    winehq-staging   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.` and doesn't upgrade those 4. Why?
[09:33] <blogten> are those being held back at a certain version, i.e. marked "do not upgrade"?  I had one of those problems before (not using ":" in aptitude), and it was a huge mess until I figured out where so many conflicts were coming from...
[09:33] <EoflaOE> FreeBDSM: About the held back packages, you can do "apt full-upgrade" to force upgrade of held back packages
[09:34] <EoflaOE> Also, check the packages state like blogten said. You might have put them on hold.
[09:35] <blogten> here's another one that's interesting... uninstalling the 304 NVIDIA driver leaves broken symlinks behind, grrr...
[09:59] <manit023> Is anyone successfully able to use google-drive-ocamlfuse with ubuntu?
[10:04] <FreeBDSM> blogten: how to check if those packages are marked so?
[10:05] <blogten> an easy way: sudo aptitude, then grep for the package names (type /, then put in a regex).  when you find them, look at the first column.  are they marked "h"?
[10:06] <FreeBDSM> aptitude is not installed :)
[10:07] <blogten> man dpkg-query is your friend then
[10:07] <FreeBDSM> anyways, `apt full-upgrade` results into the same
[10:08] <blogten> looks like dpkg-query l regex, then looking at the status column for "h"
[10:08] <blogten> eh, dpkg-query -l regex, then...
[10:08] <FreeBDSM> blogten: it's ii
[10:09] <blogten> does it say that for winehq-staging?
[10:10] <FreeBDSM> yes
[10:10] <FreeBDSM> for all 4 of them
[10:10] <FreeBDSM> winehq-staging, wine-staging, wine-staging-amd64 and wine-staging-i386
[10:11] <blogten> what package repository are those coming from?
[10:11] <FreeBDSM> wine
[10:11] <blogten> you just upgraded the Ubuntu release, no?
[10:11] <FreeBDSM> no
[10:13] <blogten> if you type in lsb_release -a, what's the code name in your system?
[10:13] <FreeBDSM> 18.04, it's bionic
[10:14] <FreeBDSM> wait
[10:14] <FreeBDSM> 18.04.3
[10:14] <blogten> in /etc/apt/sources.list, is there an entry for the wine PPA for bionic?
[10:14] <FreeBDSM> afaik it was 18.04.2 just yesterday
[10:14] <blogten> s'ok, it's bionic anyway
[10:15] <blogten> (maybe there's an entry for wine, but for e.g. xenial)
[10:15] <FreeBDSM> nope, just these 2: `deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ bionic main` `deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu bionic stable`
[10:15] <blogten> what's in sources.list.d?
[10:15] <FreeBDSM> stuff
[10:16] <FreeBDSM> no wine stuff there
[10:17] <blogten> ok, somehow those packages got installed... if you got them from the relevant PPA (like one of those you mention there), some configuration file somewhere should know about that PPA...
[10:17] <FreeBDSM> I've been using winehq-staging and successfully updating it multiple times. Only this time I got this error :(
[10:18] <blogten> is apt aware of the relevant PPA?...
[10:18] <FreeBDSM> those packages were installed not somehow, but manually by me, I did it consciously
[10:18] <FreeBDSM> yes
[10:19] <blogten> well, where is the config data for said PPA?  I would have expected that to be added to the system
[10:19] <FreeBDSM> `apt update` returns this among the rest: `Hit:8 https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu bionic InRelease`
[10:19] <FreeBDSM> what config?
[10:19] <blogten> huh, I wonder how it manages to know that... but in any case it seems like it's pointing to bionic.
[10:20] <FreeBDSM> it knows that by the line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:20] <FreeBDSM> it's not a ppa
[10:20] <blogten> aw crap I missed the first line :(
[10:20] <blogten> sorry, I thought it wasn't there for some reason
[10:20] <FreeBDSM> no worries
[10:21] <blogten> that's why I was wondering how did apt know about the package source if it wasn't listed anywhere (which it was anyhow)
[10:21] <FreeBDSM> the only solution I see for now is purging winehq-staging and then re-installing it
[10:28] <FreeBDSM> lol
[10:28] <FreeBDSM> is it an error in their repo?
[10:28] <FreeBDSM> `sudo apt install -y winehq-staging`: `The following packages have unmet dependencies:  winehq-staging : Depends: wine-staging (= 4.14~bionic)`
[10:30] <blogten> huh, what is wine-staging?
[10:30] <FreeBDSM> a sub-package for winehq-staging
[10:30] <FreeBDSM> apt search finds it just fine
[10:30] <FreeBDSM> dafuq
[10:30] <blogten> is winehq-staging the main package one is supposed to install?
[10:30] <blogten> sounds similar to trying to install NVIDIA drivers using something other than nvidia-driver-xyz
[10:31] <blogten> one *can* do that, but it's not what one might want...
[10:31] <FreeBDSM> blogten: yes, winehq-staging is the main
[10:31] <blogten> no idea then
[10:33] <V7> ikanobori: Hah. Didn't
[10:33] <V7> Same messages
[10:33] <V7> Duh'
[10:36] <FreeBDSM> `apt-cache showpkg winehq-staging | pastebinit` -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cgcvc8Yff3/
[10:36] <FreeBDSM> looks not so fine
[10:36] <FreeBDSM> or I don't know how to read it
[10:37] <blogten> hmmm aren't those a whole lot of duplicates?
[10:38] <ihatecars> Hey guys so I tried to install Ubuntu and bricked my computer:)
[10:38] <blogten> how do others that work well look like?
[10:39] <EoflaOE> ihatecars: Explain how did you brick and what happened.
[10:41] <FreeBDSM> blogten: IMO it's some recursive dependency issue
[10:41] <ihatecars> I manually partitioned and then it told me to install I would have to restart. On restart it got stuck on the blank purple screen for about 5 minutes so I rebooted and it gave me long black screen with a "kernel panic: unable to mount root on block [0,0]
[10:42] <blogten> do you recall how the boot partition was specified?
[10:42] <ihatecars> Then I went into advanced grub options and clicked the recovery mode for that kernel and it gave me an even longer white text on black screen of commands and errors with a trace error
[10:44] <blogten> sounds like some of the problems I had when I was asking the Ubuntu installer to do silly things like the wrong boot partition etc.  remember you can restart the installer, tell it you want to try Ubuntu for a bit, that boots a working Ubuntu system, you can open a terminal, and then see what the installer did (and presumably fix it)
[10:44] <ihatecars> I used free space to make 2 ext4 partitions.  One efi at 256 mb then the main at 10000 mb
[10:45] <ihatecars> Another weird thing
[10:46] <ihatecars> Whenever I reboot it goes to purple. I've gone into system files and windows is gone. I can't boot from the USB anymore either. If I remove the USB the computer boots straight to the grub command line with a black screen but if Ileave the USB in it goes to the purple grub menu, not command line
[10:46] <gst568923> Hi I have installed chrony and I have edited the configuration file placed into /etc/chrony/chrony.conf but I see that there is also the same configuration file located in /usr/share/chrony/chrony.conf. The file have same MD5 checksum, I would like to know what is the difference?
[10:46] <ihatecars> Not system files, systems options and boot options alongside bios
[10:47] <FreeBDSM> oh my god
[10:47] <ihatecars> When I go into boot options and choose the SanDisk USB or notebook boot option they both show no is found
[10:47] <ihatecars> No os found, and then my os manager is now Ubuntu
[10:48] <blogten> strange
[10:48] <blogten> because of the purple, I would have said you need nomodeset as a kernel option
[10:49] <ihatecars> I'm just extremely confused because the manual partitions I set had no space used on them and I can't load up my computer any which way. I'm assuming my only option is to rewrite a Windows iso to the USB or Linux iso to the USB and try again
[10:49] <ihatecars> I tried nomodset, no avail
[10:49] <ihatecars> Nomode*
[10:49] <blogten> but I don't know what to make of that inability to mount the root device, that sounds like a partitioning issue
[10:49] <ihatecars> I read forums and it says something about initfrms file missing (not entirely sure on the spelling of that)
[10:50] <blogten> well ok so if it can't mount the root device, what is grub passing to the kernel for the root device location?
[10:50] <blogten> does that place exist?
[10:50] <tomreyn> did you have multiple ESPs by chance?
[10:50] <ihatecars> Do you think if I mount a new iso on that flash drive via Rufus I'd be able to boot the PC? Or have I messed with bios or something?  I'm kinda not tech literate at this level lol
[10:51] <ihatecars> How do I check for the root device location
[10:51] <ihatecars> And what are esp's
[10:52] <blogten> you said you looked at the kernel options?  look somewhere close by, there should be something like root=/blahblah... so, does that exist?
[10:52] <blogten> maybe you created the partition for the system (the 10000mb one), but did not provide its mount point...
[10:52] <ihatecars> Oh no
[10:53] <ihatecars> I used a mount point of / for the one
[10:53] <ihatecars> Idk about the other though I forget
[10:53] <blogten> surely there's a way to see what that is if you use the Ubuntu installer USB stick, then select the option for trying Ubuntu right from the USB stick you just booted
[10:54] <ihatecars> And I didn't look at the kernel options I don't think.  I looked at the two boot options. There was the Ubuntu I tried to install and then the same Ubuntu with (recovery mode) at the end
[10:54] <tomreyn> ESP is efi system partition, i.e. is there another partition (e.g. on another storage) which also has something like the "efi at 256 mb" you created?
[10:55] <blogten> although I haven't done this, I'd like to believe it's possible to enter some advanced grub mode and see the entire kernel command line
[10:55] <ihatecars> I mounted the iso using Rufus. It won't let me try Ubuntu anymore, just boot in it. It installed it no problem but won't reboot
[10:55] <Habbie> blogten, yes, push 'e' on the grub menu
[10:55] <ihatecars> Yes I can get that e grub command line
[10:55] <ihatecars> It won't let me boot from the USB anymore as if it wrote onto the USB as well
[10:56] <blogten> you can verify whether that happened by comparing the contents of the USB stick to the original ISO
[10:57] <ihatecars> How do I do that without a computer lmao
[10:57] <blogten> how are you typing this please?
[10:57] <ihatecars> Cell phone
[10:57] <blogten> oh dear
[10:57] <blogten> Call a Friend?
[10:57] <ihatecars> It's like 6 am
[10:58] <blogten> ok, more like Sleep a Bit, *then* Call a Friend? :)
[10:58] <ihatecars> And I just moved here I know no one. Maybe when my roommate wakes up in a few hours. If I can't get it working by tomorrow I'll just go over to the it desk at school and use their computers but I wanted to see if I could do anything without booting
[10:58] <gst568923> ?
[10:58] <blogten> man that's tough
[10:58] <blogten> another option: a local hackerspace
[10:58] <ihatecars> It's not like a necessity. I just feel stupid lol
[10:59] <blogten> meh, it happens to all of us at some point
[10:59] <ihatecars> I work at a makerspace but it's 20 minutes away
[10:59] <FreeBDSM> how come apt install fails?
[10:59] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: pastebin the error
[10:59] <FreeBDSM> !paste
[10:59] <blogten> I have no idea FreeBDSM, I've been messing with this nvidia / grub / kernel thing for hours and although I've learned a lot I still haven't found even how to track down what is not working
[11:00] <FreeBDSM> what was the trick with some ix.io
[11:00] <ihatecars> Blogten
[11:00] <ihatecars> What does Nvidia have to do with anything
[11:00] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: command | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:00] <blogten> the trick with some ix.io?
[11:00] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: https://paste.ee/p/QMXrT
[11:00] <blogten> ihatecars: that's what *my* problem has been since late last night
[11:00] <blogten> still no idea of what's wrong
[11:01] <FreeBDSM> there's some pastebin like ix.io or something like that, and one can just cat < to there or something
[11:01] <ihatecars> I heard Nvidia is a terror to get working with Ubuntu
[11:01] <ihatecars> So that's why I installed Ubuntu on my hp omen, my only computer. Because I do love a challenge
[11:01] <blogten> "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." --- which ones?
[11:02] <blogten> maybe there's a way to find which ones are broken (not held), then reinstall those (or purge or something), then install what you need...
[11:02] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: what does "sudo apt-get -f install" give?
[11:02] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: which ubuntu is this? 18.04?
[11:03] <FreeBDSM> 18.04.3
[11:03] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: same error
[11:03] <blogten> getting my other linux box to work with nvidia was a bit of a pain, but it was the first time I did an install like that.  once it worked, then it was fine.
[11:03] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: btw, `apt-cache showpkg winehq-staging | pastebinit` -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cgcvc8Yff3/
[11:04] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: type "dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:04] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: I have 0 held packages
[11:04] <ihatecars> So I have a command line at grub, is there anything I can do
[11:04] <ihatecars> Like just to try before I go to bed lmao
[11:05] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: yeah, lets see how the dpkg status is first and then proceed, waiting your paste
[11:05] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: `dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii' | nc termbin.com 9999` -> https://termbin.com/gw2mp
[11:05] <ihatecars> e actually edits the boot commands but c opens up a boot command line
[11:08] <FreeBDSM> btw, how to remove configs for packages I don't intend to ever install again? I mean the ones marked as 'rc' by `dpkg -l`?
[11:08] <ihatecars> Update: I ran the "date" command and it returned today's date and time so the computer isn't completely bricked as of yet
[11:10] <EriC^^>  FreeBDSM: looks clean, why is "sudo apt-get -f install" failing? or did you add something to the end of that command after install?
[11:11] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: oh, I thought I was supposed to add winehq-staging
[11:12] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: without giving any package names - this results into `0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.`
[11:14] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: ah ok cool
[11:14] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: try "apt-cache policy winehq-staging"
[11:14] <EriC^^> look at candidate
[11:19] <FreeBDSM> Candidate: 4.14~bionic
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: dependency issues mostly arise when you have messed with external ppa's
[11:23] <FreeBDSM> lotuspsychje: how could I've messed up?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: lets see your sources.list?
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> ermahgerd
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> turns out the problem is that wine changed the dependencies
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> it now depends on libfaudio0
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> which is not in their repo and not in any repo at all!
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: are you using wine from apt, or did you add a wine ppa?
[11:31] <FreeBDSM> lotuspsychje: I use their repo
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: then contact them please, we only provide help from the official ubuntu way
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: i can still help you get rid of the ppa and straight your dependencys
[11:32] <FreeBDSM> yeah, I just thought the issue is in apt, turns out the issue is just in apt being too stupid to show the real problem
[11:33] <FreeBDSM> lotuspsychje: wine in ubuntu's repos is old as hell, and thus of almost zarro value to me
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: apt reacts on what the user does, if apt has issues, the user messed up in most cases
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !latest | FreeBDSM your own choice
[11:33] <Habbie> !sru
[11:33] <blogten> hey lotuspsychje, I'm having trouble with an nvidia card in another Ubuntu server box... upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04, and I can't get even grub to show up on the console (even with nvidia drivers uninstalled).  what should I look into?  I've been at this since last night.
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> blogten: lets continue in #ubuntu-server
[11:38] <FreeBDSM> lotuspsychje: no, I didn't mess up this time. It's wine guys that did. The only beef I have with apt is that it failed to show the real problem.
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> FreeBDSM: adding an external ppa's we dont reccomend, so you kinda messed up there :p
[11:40] <FreeBDSM> Instead of showing me why winehq-staging REALLY can't be installed, I had to try to install wine-staging in order to see what fails with: it's wine-staging-amd64, which then I had also try to install in order to see that it's the damn libfaudio0 package that is a dependency that is neither in winehq repo nor in ubuntu's repo
[11:45] <jeremy31> FreeBDSM: https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192
[11:47] <FreeBDSM> yeah
[11:47] <FreeBDSM> already bashing about that on #winehq
[12:06] <FreeBDSM> holup, it looks like apt is actually shit: `apt` fails to install `winehq-staging=4.12~bionic` because of `wine-staging=4.12~bionic`, which in its turn fails due to `wine-staging-amd64=4.12~bionic`, BUT that package doesn't really fail to install at all! So I've managed to install `winehq-staging=4.12~bionic` by manually installing its deps first!  So I've managed to install `winehq-staging=4.12~bionic` by manually installing its deps first! Ridiculous! you_had_one_job.jpg
[12:11] <M_aD> just before you joined the channel :)
[12:12] <tomreyn> this doesnt seem to be a support topic, unless you actually want to understand it, in which case you'll need to provide more context
[12:12] <tomreyn> also, please mind the language
[12:13] <FreeBDSM> sorry, just sad/angry
[12:13] <BluesKaj> maybe wine-staging-amd64=4.12~bionic is sh*t
[12:13] <FreeBDSM> nope, installed it just fine
[12:13] <FreeBDSM> apt fails to resolve deps properly
[12:17] <BluesKaj> sh*t happens, nothing's perfect
[12:19] <BluesKaj> especially with ppas
[12:21] <EoflaOE> hi BluesKaj
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hi EoflaOE
[12:22] <V7> hi BluesKaj and EoflaOE
[12:23] <EoflaOE> Hi V7
[12:23] <BluesKaj> hi V7
[12:24] <V7> o/
[12:54] <blogten> some progress on that NVIDIA mess: do not decode the frame buffer above 4gb...
[13:43] <zteam> Hi, I'm trying to run my two screens in mirror mode, but if I do Gnome Screen settings doesn't allow me set the refresh-rate, at present Ubuntu is trying to ouput 120 hz signal to my 60 hz TV
[13:51] <Etua> Hello, I am currently trying to install Ubuntu on my desktop however during boot I see the following error "device descriptor read/64, error -32" and the OS eventually boots but by that time the mouse and keyboard loose the power and reconnecting them does not help. Is it necessary hardware issue or maybe my UEFI is malconfigured? Please note that I have already tried to use other USB sticks and USB ports.
[13:57] <zteam> Etua, Try selecting ACPI=off from Ubuntus bootmenu
[14:01] <aldcor> hello
[14:02] <aldcor> I just downloaded ubuntu server 19.04. I have this exact problem but solutions mentioned in this site does not help me. https://askubuntu.com/questions/927355/ubuntu-apache2-defaultruntimedir-must-be-a-valid-directory-absolute-or-relative/1108571
[14:09] <aldcor> nvm
[14:37] <yeti-> after doing dist-upgrade from 16.04 all the way to 19.04, i'm having this issue now: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5QFQtkrTnB/
[14:37] <yeti-> can anyone help
[14:41] <ioria> yeti-, that ppa (https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/ffmpeg-4) does not support disco 19.04; maybe purging it helps
[14:42] <yeti-> i've cleared out all the old PPAs
[14:43] <ioria> yeti-, apt-cache policy libavformat58
[14:44] <yeti-> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wqBy6Cnsbz/
[14:45] <ioria> yeti-, for some reason it wants to install from that ppa ; maybe you know why
[14:46] <yeti-> ioria, how could i make sure i cleared out all the info from that PPA?
[14:46] <ioria> yeti-, paste dpkg -l | grep ffmpeg
[14:47] <yeti-> nothing there
[14:47] <ioria> yeti-,  ppa-purge ppa:jonathonf/ffmpeg-4
[14:48] <yeti-> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: jonathonf ffmpeg-4
[14:50] <ioria> yeti-, maybe you need to enable again that òppa
[14:50] <ioria> *ppa
[14:50] <ioria> yeti-,  check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:51] <yeti-> ioria, yeah i've checked and nothing is in there
[14:51] <ioria> yeti-,  check /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:53] <yeti-> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kGFmPvR9B9/ that's all it has
[14:53] <ioria> yeti-,  no backports ?
[14:54] <yeti-> ioria, how could i check
[14:54] <ioria> yeti-,  you changed it
[14:54] <ioria> yeti-,  that's not a default sources.list
[14:55] <yeti-> oh yeah, would that affect it?
[14:56] <ioria> yeti-,  sure; try this dpkg -l | grep 0york1
[14:57] <yeti-> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DcfTJXXPdg/
[14:57] <ioria> yeti-,  yeah, purge those pkgs
[14:59] <ioria> yeti-,  try this too :  dpkg -l | grep york
[14:59] <yeti-> oh wow, that cleared it up
[15:02] <yeti-> yup that cleared it up, thanks so much ioria
[15:02] <ioria> yeti-,  no problem; well done
[15:17] <neverville> So I fucked up a major way, my arrogant ass installed openct from git (unknown repo), and that created a something called openct-tool, not as that is not working I need to remove it but I can't.
[15:17] <neverville> May I know workarounds for this issue.
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> !language | neverville please
[15:18] <neverville> lotuspsychje, ubottu sorry. Wilco.
[15:21] <neverville> So I am reasking this again. I installed openct from some unknown git repo today, and it was not working, but after installing it gave two files in /usr/bin (executable) for openct-tool and openct-control and both of them are not working. Now I have a workaround in mind but to make it work I want these old things gone, and I can't find a uninstall.sh file in that git repo, how can I fix this?
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> neverville: does apt give you errors?
[15:21] <neverville> lotuspsychje, yeah...
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> neverville: could you pastebin please, volunteers could take a look
[15:22] <neverville> first of all in ubuntu 18.04 openct is not a standard package
[15:22] <neverville> One sec
[15:23] <Etua> zteam:
[15:23] <neverville> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tzPD3rJ6j3/
[15:23] <Etua> Thanks, I'll try that
[15:24] <neverville> lotuspsychje, openct could not be installed mate, so that's why I had to git it. And now I am in deep trouble.
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> neverville: thats just your dirs showing, doesnt apt show errors when like updating?
[15:24] <neverville> No no nothing like that.
[15:25] <ducasse> neverville: did you use make to install?
[15:25] <neverville> yeah
[15:25] <ducasse> neverville: try 'make uninstall' as root
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> neverville: also we try to focus on ubuntu issues here, troubles from git you can also report to the maintainer to make the git better
[15:26] <neverville> make unistall was sucessful.
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | neverville try this
[15:27] <neverville> But I have one question is openct-tool and openct-control come with Ubuntu?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> !info openct
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> !info openct-tool
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> openctm-tools exist on repos
[15:30] <neverville> Unistall was sucessful, but openct-tool and openct-control still present in the /usr/bin dirs'
[15:31] <ducasse> as lotus said we don't really support random git repos
[15:32] <neverville> Solved it, looks like I installed it twice.
[15:47] <Etua> zteam, Unfortunately turning ACPI off did not solve the issue.
[15:52] <ioria> Etua, what version of ubuntu and  can you select 'Try ubuntu without install'  ?
[15:54] <Etua> ioria, I tried to install 19.04 and I can select the option to try Ubuntu without install.
[15:54] <ioria> Etua, and mouse and keyboard work there ?
[15:56] <Etua> They do work when I use the USB port from the device that also is SD, CF etc. card reader so I do not connect the pendrive directly to the motherboard. However when I connect the pendrive directly I works differently.
[15:58] <Etua> The difference is that when I connect the pendrive differently it looses the power during setup and I need to unplug it and then plug again to load the menu.
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Etua: what kind of brand/model of computer is this?
[16:01] <Etua> lotuspsychje: It is Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 rev.4 motherboard. I even updated the firmware today but it changed nothing.
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> Etua: so if i understand well, some usb ports dont feed your usb's after boot?
[16:03] <tomreyn> side note: there are rev 4.0 and 4.1 of this mainboard
[16:05] <Etua> lotuspsychje: If I connect the USB with OS image indirectly (to the device with cardreaders) I can boot to the menu without additional intervention. When I connect to any other port I have to unplug the device and plug it again because it looses the power and the menu cannot load. Replugging fixes that.
[16:06] <Etua> By plugging the device indirectly and using UEFI mode instead of legacy I managed to boot Ubuntu and Kubuntu (without installing)  but that's all I can achieve because at that point I can't use a mouse nor keyboard anymore.
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> Etua: can you see if this matches your experience? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe/+bug/1749237
[16:07] <tomreyn> is the card reader (usb hub) externally powered?
[16:09] <Etua> tomreyn: It is connected solely to the motherboard (permanently mounted in the computer case) but I don't remember how it is connected internally.
[16:11] <SimonNL> Etua: if it ends up in the part where the slots are probably pci
[16:11] <Etua> lotuspsychje: I don't think so because as far as I understand in that case the device received electricity ("keeps flickering") and I loose the power completely which is easy to tell because all the lights go down.
[16:13] <Etua> SimonNL: Possible I'll try to confirm that. Also take note that no matter where I connect the USB with live image I get the message about error -32 that I mentioned.
[16:17] <Etua> I don't really suspect faulty hardware because Windows installer from USB works with any port. During loading a mouse and a keyboard turn down for a few seconds but then they are operational again which does not happen with Ubuntu.
[16:19] <Etua> The card reader is IBOX ICKWFR055 so it should be connected via pci.
[16:27] <Etua> How can I edit boot options with UEFI boot where I don't have F6 option?
[16:29] <tomreyn> Etua: press escape to bring up the grub menu (if it doesn't show by default, i don't rmemeber)
[16:29] <tomreyn> then 'e' to edit
[16:33] <Etua> tomreyn: Thanks, I wonder whether combining UEFI boot, card reader and turning off ACPI could change anything.
[16:35] <tomreyn> Etua: i didn't read the beginning of your probleem descritption and thus cannot really comment. also what i *did* get to read did look like firmware or hardware issues to me, but that's just a first impression, of course.
[16:39] <Etua> tomreyn: Basically my problem is that the devices loose power during boot preventing me from installing the system, I get a hint of "device descriptor read/64, error -32" for which I could not find any resource relatable to my case and it seems that Windows installer does something better which allows it to use keyboard any mouse so I don't think it is hardware fault.
[16:40] <tomreyn> Etua: that or your mainboard firmware just treats windows systems differently.
[16:41] <tomreyn> a (USB) device descriptor read error is a form of I/O error (during device initialization).
[16:42] <tomreyn> Etua: which ubuntu version and variant are you trying to install there?
[16:42] <tomreyn> can we see the full log, on a !pastebin ?
[16:43] <Etua> tomreyn: I don't know. The only option in my UEFI menu which mentions Windows is set to "Other OS" (other than Windows 8).
[16:44] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:USB_storage_devices
[16:45] <Etua> tomreyn: It's Kubuntu and Ubuntu 19.04. How would you like me to dump the logs?
[16:45] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:47] <Etua> At which point of setup should I write it?
[16:48] <panther_3> .
[16:48] <tomreyn> Etua: if the system is still able to run commands after the issue occurs, then do it after you reproduced it, otherwise do it after just booting up the live / installer iso
[16:51] <tomreyn> panther_3: in the future, you could use the /ping command to test your connectivity. alternatively, you could do the "dot test" on a less busy channel, such as #panther_3 - I'd prefer that over here, since it does not needlessy trigger channel activity.
[16:52] <Etua> tomreyn: The problem is that the last point when I can use the keyboard is choosing whether to use Ubuntu without install, install etc. just after that I loose the power. Can I write the commands you mentioned before that point?
[16:53] <tomreyn> Etua: at this very point (or a little earlier) you can switch to a text !tty and run the command there
[16:54] <tomreyn> Etua: make sure the system has network connectivity already, though
[16:54] <tomreyn> !tty | Etua
[16:54] <panther_3> tomreyn: How can I use Tor?
[16:54] <panther_3> ]I mean for my IP stuff?
[16:55] <tomreyn> panther_3: which ubuntu version are you running?
[16:56] <panther_3> tomreyn: Actually, I am on Mac. But I have used Tor and Learned about their routing before. But I need to know how to use tor to Hide my IP in IRSSI on my terminal
[16:57] <tomreyn> panther_3: if by "on Mac" you mean that you don't run Ubuntu Kinux, then you're asking this on the wrong IRC channel.
[16:57] <tomreyn> *Ubuntu Linux
[17:01] <mmystic> Hi, where should I ask to get an update (apparmor-tools) ?
[17:01] <EoflaOE> mmystic: Get an update? Explain more so we can understand more.
[17:03] <Etua> tomreyn: Honestly I did not manage to switch the terminal at a window between choosing to boot Ubuntu in GRUB and the problem because it seems that the loss of energy is triggered immediately after choosing to boot the OS.
[17:04] <mmystic> EoflaOE: I found a bug on aa-genprof (apparmor-utils not -tols) that was been already fixed in the apparmor-utils 2.13.3 but now I have apparmor-utils 2.13.2 than I need the update
[17:05] <Etua> I also noticed that when I switch the USB port of the keyboard or the mouse after the OS has been loaded they start to glow for a second but they are not active during this time and they go off just after that. Maybe the OS does not recognise them as proper input devices.
[17:05] <fuxxy> I'm running a windows DNS domain on my local network. In an Ubuntu minimal install, NetworkManager receives a DNS nameserver from DHCP, but doesnt pass it to /etc/resolv.conf. Instead, the local-caching DNS stub is used. How can I make NetworkManager use the DNS server on my network instead of <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:06] <mmystic> EoflaOE: as I see on /usr/share/doc/apparmor-utils/changelog.Debian.gz the mainteiner should be Jamie Strandboge<EMAIL_ADDRESS>than I try to write him.. ?
[17:07] <EoflaOE> mmystic: Yes, you can try, since he is one of the devs, looking at @ubuntu.com part.
[17:07] <tomreyn> Etua: before we spend a lot more time on this, maybe just try installing ubuntu 18.04.3 instead (and upgrade if desired).
[17:08] <mmystic> EoflaOE: thanks
[17:09] <EoflaOE> mmystic: You are welcome. Thanks for finding a bug in a package.
[17:11] <Etua> tomreyn: I wish I could but I have struggled with this problem for years and tried different distros and versions during that time (including Ubuntu LTS) but no one has been able to solve all my problems. Something like two years ago I got the peripherals working on some Arch-based distro but I could not connect to the Internet. The Ubuntu suggests that it can connect but I can't install it.
[17:11] <Etua> So I can try 18.04.3 but I don't think it will help.
[17:17] <Etua> tomreyn: In a masterstroke I connected all 3 devices to the same USB port via special device and it allowed me to use peripherals with Ubuntu booted.
[17:17] <tomreyn> Etua: well, it's difficult to help diagnose this until you can get a shell on some ubuntu system (and make input to it, either through locally attached periphals, on a serial console, or via a network shell.
[17:21] <Etua> tomreyn: I have access to shell and working Internet connection. What would you like me to send now?
[17:26] <Etua> tomreyn: I found your previous message. Here you go: http://termbin.com/mt3u
[17:27] <Etua> I suppose that the logs are a bit different because I had the mouse and the keyboard connected to the one working USB port which means that some of the error messages were not displayed during startup.
[17:34] <tomreyn> Etua: i'm looking
[17:42] <javor> Hi
[17:42] <javor> I guess most of you use LUKS?
[17:44] <tomreyn> javor: no polls here, please, if you have a question about your (prospect?) ubuntu installation, feel free to ask.
[17:45] <javor> tomreyn, ye I've q. What is proper setting name for GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX when using full disk encription (with boot)
[17:45] <javor> cryptosetup or cryptsetup?
[17:45] <tomreyn> Etua: so other than the line you mentioned earlier, "usb 3-4: device descriptor read/64, error -32", which is followed by "usb usb3-port4: attempt power cycle", you also have this for the USB 2 hub: "applying AMD SB700/SB800/Hudson-2/3 EHCI dummy qh workaround"
[17:46] <javor> I mean cryptodevice or cryptdevice (sorry)
[17:48] <tomreyn> javor: i don't think you need to pass an option on this parameter. you need "GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y" in /etc/default/grub though
[17:49] <javor> tomreyn, and in grub.cfg? there is also cryptodevice|cryptdevice line?
[17:49] <tomreyn> Etua: did you try what i pointed you to earlier (an hour ago)? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Talk:USB_storage_devices
[17:49] <tomreyn> -> device descriptor read error
[17:50] <javor> tomreyn, I'm asking because for ubuntu 18.04 i've cryptodevice and looks all is fine with that but with other distro i had to use cryptdevice. I wonder why cryptodevice is working in ubuntu. maybe this setting is not used in ubuntu?
[17:52] <tomreyn> javor: grub.cfg is generated by update-grub from other files, including /etc/default/grub. in a grub.cfg file meant for booting off an FDE (incl. /boot) installation you'd see "insmod cryptodisk" and "cryptmount -u [hash]"
[17:53] <tomreyn> javor: the latter is actually "cryptomount -u [hash]" (i missed an "o")
[17:53] <javor> tomreyn, correct
[17:54] <javor> tomreyn, and this allows to omit cryptodevice param?
[17:55] <tomreyn> javor: i'm not aware of a "cryptodevice" parameter
[17:56] <javor> tomreyn, ok thanks.
[17:57] <tomreyn> not in ubuntu, that is (maybe you're mixing it up with arch linux).
[17:57] <javor> tomreyn, exactly
[18:03] <tomreyn> javor: also note that (at least some months ago, when i last checked) grub-efi-amd64-signed (secure boot signed) did not include the cryptodisk command. so you'd need to use the non-canonical signed grub-efi-amd64 and optionally secure boot sign yourself.
[18:08] <Etua> tomreyn: Sorry, I have just noticed your message. I read the content of the Wiki you sent me but I did not how could I apply it without working keyboard. Now that I have a workaround I could try to install the OS and then apply it. What do you think?
[18:11] <tomreyn> Etua: so the keyboard stops working during grub menu already?
[18:13] <tomreyn> Etua: if not, try editing !kernelparm to add usbcore.autosuspend=-1
[18:16] <tomreyn> alternatively, this article lists more options you could try after installation https://askubuntu.com/questions/772056/keyboard-stops-working-ubuntu-16-04
[18:18] <Etua> tomreyn: No, it stops after selecting the OS but I suppose I should echo inside Ubuntu terminal and not the one from GRUB?
[18:24] <Etua> tomreyn: I'll try to install Ubuntu using my workaround and then make the listed changes if the problem persists.
[18:42] <tomreyn> Etua: you can run the "echo ..." command as provided on the archlinux wiki from a fully booted ubuntu system, or use the !kernelparm i provided at the grub menu
[18:42] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[18:43] <tomreyn> good luck with your installation.
[18:45] <Etua> tomreyn, Thank you. I'll let you know how it went.
[18:46] <onomatopie>  /wc
[18:52] <javor> tomreyn, thanks I was wondering why they said to not use grub-efi-amd64-signed :P
[19:02] <a90c> hi lspci output gives broadcom bcm43142 wlan adapter but i cant see wifi networks in 18.04
[19:03] <a90c> How to enable it
[19:09] <ayekat> a90c: what's the output of `ip l`?
[19:12] <a90c> ayekat i guess i need to install dkm drivers
[19:12] <tomreyn> right, sudo apt install broadcom-sta-dkms
[19:13] <ayekat> possibly - can't really tell without any information
[19:13] <ayekat> but if that's common for that model, why not ^^
[19:14] <a90c> Yes can i use dkm drivers on 5.0 kernel?
[19:16] <tomreyn> not sure, just try.
[19:18] <Etua> tomreyn: It turns out that after installing Ubuntu the problem is still there. I'll start with the echo command from the Arch wiki.
[19:21] <leonardus> what version was wayland the default display server?
[19:21] <leonardus> 17.10?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: you mean gnome
[19:21] <leonardus> no, wayland
[19:22] <lotuspsychje> leonardus: wayland wont be default on 20.04 neither
[19:22] <leonardus> in one of the ubuntu versions, wayland was default, I just can't remember which
[19:22] <tomreyn> i think 17.10 is correct, !releasenotes would tell
[19:40] <acawley> hey
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> welcome acawley
[19:40] <acawley> I'm looking for a little help on Ubuntu if that is OK?
[19:40] <acawley> I'm relatively new to IRC as well, so please bear with me!
[19:40] <acawley> I've just updated Ubuntu 18.04 and it installed some new BIOS Firmware / Secure Boot setup, after a reboot WiFi isn't working,
[19:41] <acawley> It warned part-way through the update that some third-party device drivers might not work afterwards but it was a bit too late at that stage to warn me!
[19:41] <acawley> I'm wondering if anyone here might be able to offer a bit of advice or assistance in troubleshooting?
[19:41] <ioria> disable secure boot ? :þ
[19:42] <acawley> ^ I did have a brief look in my BIOS and I think I saw the option to disable it as being greyed out / unavailable, but I could check again
[19:42] <acawley> I didn't know if Ubuntu would freak or not boot if it was disabled,
[19:42] <ioria> check again, please
[19:42] <acawley> I have a boot manager in place which gives me the option of Ubuntu or Windows 10 (which I hate and I'm stuck on now ;-( )
[19:42] <acawley> I will do, I will have to reboot the system I'm on so I will go dark, but I'll be back
[19:43] <ioria> ah
[19:43] <acawley> thanks for your time and help,
[19:43] <acawley> BRB
[19:53] <acawley> Sorry I'm not sure if my messages made it through a couple of minutes ago?
[19:54] <acawley> Am I still in "notice" mode or can people see my messages?
[19:55] <acawley> hello anyone?
[19:56] <ioria> acawley, we see you
[19:56] <jeremy31> acawley: what?  Does anything not work?
[19:56] <acawley> ahar! thank you
[19:56] <acawley> ioria - it worked! thank you
[19:57] <ioria> ok
[19:57] <acawley> Disabling Secure Boot helped me get WiFi working on Ubuntu 18.04 again
[19:57] <jeremy31> acawley: What wifi?
[19:57] <acawley> yep :D
[19:57] <ioria> speak with jeremy31 , he can explain more
[19:57] <jeremy31> broadcom?
[19:57] <acawley> I'm on a Dell Latitude 5580
[19:57] <acawley> no Intel I think
[19:57] <acawley> I went hunting on Dell and Intel's site for Ubuntu drivers but I couldn't easily find any
[19:58] <jeremy31> acawley: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:58] <acawley> Ubuntu 18.04 and my WiFi has been working on this Dell Latitude 5580 has been working for many months without issue,
[19:58] <acawley> but tonights "Secure Boot" update from Ubuntu broke WiFi on Ubuntu 18.04 and Kubuntu
[19:59] <acawley> jeremy31, could you please explain to me what the last "nc" section of that command does?
[20:00] <acawley> oh, does that send the results to somewhere and then gives me back a URL?
[20:00] <acawley> sorry just being cautious
[20:00] <jeremy31> netcast IIRC, it sends the results to a site like pastebin and it will post the URL with results in terminal
[20:00] <acawley> that is superb! I didn't even know that was possible,
[20:00] <acawley> very clever
[20:01] <jeremy31> acawley: ubuntu has pastebinit program but I don't think it is installed by default
[20:01] <acawley> shall I sudo it do you think? or OK without?
[20:01] <jeremy31> acawley: no sudo
[20:01] <acawley> ok
[20:01] <acawley> https://termbin.com/01km
[20:01] <acawley> Can I just say - Thank you for your time and help!
[20:02] <jeremy31> acawley: >  modinfo iwlwifi | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:02] <acawley> How long would a typical termbin link like that ^ stay valid for? Do they typically expire after x days?
[20:03] <UbuntuNoob911> Hey y'all, I got the Unbuntu installed and running on me laptop. Tryin to set up proton vpn, havin problems! But I might be able to do the GUI way if I can make the right icons appear in the title bar system tray. I'm missin that updown icon that lets ya do things with vpns that I see on the instruction website (https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/) why's my updown missing, and how do I make it appear? Even the
[20:03] <UbuntuNoob911> system program don't seem same as in the instructions. I'm fixin to add a new connection like it says in step A1 on the instruction site. But that updown icon is missin, and my wifi icon in the title bar don't let me add no new connections
[20:03] <acawley> https://termbin.com/0s4t
[20:03] <jeremy31> acawley: They eventually expire, I am not sure what time limit it has
[20:04] <acawley> I'm going to learn more about termbin, could be a great training tool,
[20:04] <jeremy31> acawley: Your internal wifi should work with Secure Boot enabled as that info shows you are using a signed kernel module
[20:06] <acawley> I don't know what to say jeremy31 it just didn't seem to work after enabling it. Would it be typical to have to run commands after the reboot to renable it or something?
[20:06] <acawley> I tried turning on/off Airplane mode to try triger it into searching for WiFi networks
[20:06] <acawley> but it didn't seem to have any joy
[20:07] <acawley> also used ifconfig and ping to determine I wasn't really connected
[20:07] <jeremy31> acawley: It should have worked.  I wonder if the module crashed because of power management?
[20:07] <jeremy31> acawley: Do this next command, reboot and enable Secure Boot and see if wifi works>   sudo sed -i 's/3/2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/*
[20:08] <acawley> ok, I will have to save the output to a file as I wont be able to come back on here if it isn't working,
[20:08] <acawley> then I can reboot, disable and retrieve the output if I need to,
[20:08] <acawley> ok, back in a few minutes. Thanks again.
[20:09] <jeremy31> acawley: run the command before reboot
[20:09] <acawley> oh right, sorry
[20:09] <jeremy31> the output of command isn't needed
[20:09] <acawley> roger
[20:10] <jeremy31> acawley: if wifi doesn't work check>   lsmod | grep iwl
[20:10] <acawley> is that command replacing 3's with 2's?
[20:10] <acawley> the sed one that is
[20:10] <jeremy31> see if iwlwifi is loaded,  the command changes 1 line in a file to keep Network Manager from enabling wifi power management
[20:12] <UbuntuNoob911> Hey jeremy, that network manager, I think that's what I'm lookin for
[20:12] <UbuntuNoob911> but I wasn't sure if you talkin to me
[20:12] <UbuntuNoob911> or acawley
[20:12] <jeremy31> I was chatting with acawley
[20:13] <acawley> I see what it changed now jeremy31, thanks, I'm just gona reboot in a sec and give it a go
[20:13] <jeremy31> UbuntuNoob911: You should be able to find Network Manager and add connections if needed
[20:13] <UbuntuNoob911> Yeah, I was thinking that
[20:13] <UbuntuNoob911> so I entered into search
[20:14] <UbuntuNoob911> But it don't come up
[20:14] <tomreyn> "nm-connection-editor"
[20:14] <jeremy31> On Ubuntu 18.04 with gnome I think it is in the settings near the button to power off or reboot
[20:15] <acawley> OK, I'm back with Secure Boot enabled and WiFi working!
[20:16] <jeremy31> acawley: Good
[20:16] <UbuntuNoob911> tomreyn,searching that that "nm-connection-editor" give me no search results
[20:16] <jeremy31> UbuntuNoob911: type it in terminal
[20:16] <acawley> So changing "wifi.powersave = 2" from 3 to 2 did the trick?
[20:17] <jeremy31> acawley: It could have as I have seen the wifi power management crash some wifi before
[20:17] <acawley> ah right I see,
[20:17] <acawley> that is really good - thank you ever so much
[20:17] <acawley> I have to dash now, but thank you, thank you!!
[20:17] <acawley> take care
[20:17] <jeremy31> later
[20:18] <UbuntuNoob911> ey, cool, typing in terminal pulls up network connections.
[20:19] <jeremy31> UbuntuNoob911: is there a + somewhere on that window to add a new connection?
[20:20] <UbuntuNoob911> jeremy31, yeah, down in the corner, a plus button, lets ya choose da connection type
[20:20] <UbuntuNoob911> I see vpn on there and that's what I'm looking for so I think that'l work
[20:21] <UbuntuNoob911> ah, no, I don't see "Import a saved VPN configuration"
[20:22] <UbuntuNoob911> but there's a create button that seems to do some things
[20:23] <UbuntuNoob911> ya just having a hard time matching my ubuntu 18.04 with the directions for option A on https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-vpn-setup/
[20:26] <UbuntuNoob911> I like having a vpn though so I gatta figure it out
[20:44] <GDSan> Heya i need some help in Ubuntu 18.04, I'm trying to set up Dovecot and Postfix and the Dovecot directory (/etc/dovecot) wasn't created even after re-installing dovecot. Any tips?
[20:55] <Yossi> i have a server at home that consistently comes up with an old ip address (192.168.3.x) instead of the one in the correct address range (192.168.1.x). this means its unreachable after a reboot untill i drag out a keyboard and screen and run sudo dhclient -r enp4s0 and sudo dhclient enp4s0 . im looking for either a way to have it come up correctly in the first place or to run my fix-it script on boot
[20:55] <Yossi> ubuntu 16.04.6
[20:59] <Aavar> Yossi, how have you set up the new ip?
[20:59] <Yossi> i got rid of an old router and connected it to a new router that gives out a diferent range
[21:00] <Yossi> everything else on the network is cool with this. even another ubuntu server. but the other server is 18.04.3
[21:01] <Aavar> Yossi, and it is set up with dhcp? I guess the machine is set up with a fixed ip?
[21:01] <Yossi> i dont think it set to static, but possible it was done a long time ago. how check?
[21:01] <Yossi> also, why does my fix-it script work then?
[21:01] <Aavar> Can you please paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[21:02] <Aavar> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:02] <Aavar> Yossi, your script works because you tell it to look for a dhcp server.
[21:03] <Yossi> oh wow. theres the problem right there. Thanks! someone (probably drunk me) edited /etc/network/interfaces
[21:03] <Aavar> Yossi, :)
[22:45] <Bambus> hello
[23:00] <deadrom> ls
[23:00] <deadrom> :P
[23:01] <deadrom> hello all. Dell M4800 mobile workstation, intel Wireless 7260 module, which by spec should be ac+bt. not seeing bt devices while lspci lists the module.
[23:01] <deadrom> could the device / function be disabled?
[23:53] <rakibul> hello all, can I ask a git and pass related question here?


[12:42] <gpiccoli> Hellom how are you doing? Sorry to bother. I have a question regarding iSCSI during installer
[12:42] <gpiccoli> Is it supported, right?
[12:42] <gpiccoli> How can we set the initiator name of the installer? Is there some automatic configuration?
[12:43] <gpiccoli> My target refuses to "be recognized" since it's initiator name is not configured on target
[15:20] <cyphermox> gpiccoli: I suppose the initiator name might be the hostname?
[15:21] <cyphermox> iscsi should be supported, but you might need to enable it first, and unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with iscsi to know all the details
[15:27] <cyphermox> ok, looks like when you boot you need to set, on the command-line:  partman-iscsi/login/address
[15:27] <cyphermox> and
[15:29] <cyphermox> and it should be asking you for a username, which would be the initiator username...
[15:29] <cyphermox> xnox: can you help me out? ^ I thought you played with iscsi before?
[15:45] <gpiccoli> Thanks very much cyphermox!
[15:45] <cyphermox> sorry I can't be more helpful, but I never touched iSCSI at all
[15:45] <gpiccoli> I could access iSCSI my manually mounting it on shell, "faking" the initiator name as one already set on target
[15:46] <cyphermox> ok, good
[15:48] <gpiccoli> after this, next test was to stop installation at beginning and override the isci-start procedure to force my initiator name to match the one already on target - worked too
[15:48] <gpiccoli> I think I need more to know if it's expected my target accept any initiator name since Ubuntu installer will generate a random one each install
[15:48] <gpiccoli> Hope you or xnox can help me figure what is expected!
[20:22] <cyphermox> cjwatson: do you recall if there's a reason why prep is being dd'ed to only in grub-installer, and not in a commit.d script in partman-prep?
[21:18] <cjwatson> cyphermox: because it's grub-installer that has the information on the intended disk to boot from; we need that context to work out the right PReP partition in multiple-disk cases
[21:18] <cyphermox> ok, so can't dd on any other prep, gotcha
[21:20] <cyphermox> I was asking because we do create a prep partition while partitioning
[21:21] <cjwatson> indeed
[21:35] <cyphermox> thanks


[07:17] <pstolowski> morning
[07:18] <mvo> hey pstolowski, good morning
[07:24] <mvo>
[07:56] <Chipaca> moin moin
[07:58] <Chipaca> ...rude.
[07:59] <mvo> Chipaca: hey good morning!
[08:00] <mvo> Chipaca: rude?
[08:01] <Chipaca> mvo: joke about somebody leaving without a word just after I said hello
[08:01] <mvo> haha
[08:31] <Chipaca> mvo: do you ready z_yga's "+1 but" as an actual +1, i.e. can I merge #5524?
[08:31] <mup> PR #5524: cmd/snap: check for typographic dashes in command <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5524>
[08:31] <Chipaca> read*
[08:32] <Chipaca> mvo: also, did we reach a consensus on the flag to watch for "do not error if none found"? I know we agreed it wasn't --oknodo :-)
[08:33] <Chipaca> was thinking of --no-error-on-empty taking a page from xargs, but it does seem a bit verbose
[08:35] <Chipaca> alternatively, and perhaps more naturally given the flag is only for use with --last, we could add syntax to --last, e.g. «--last=foo?» vs «last=foo»
[08:35] <mvo> Chipaca: I'm not great with names but --no-error-on-empty seems to be ok (yes verbose but). alternatives might be "--empty-ok"
[08:35] <mvo> Chipaca: I like "foo?"
[08:36] <mvo> Chipaca: not sure about zygas +1, but he should be online soon(ish)
[08:36] <Chipaca> sorted :-)
[08:36] <mvo> Chipaca: ta
[08:36] <Chipaca> mvo: ah, i thought they were further west
[08:40] <mvo> Chipaca: its 6h from here, so I would expect (jetlag and all that) in ~2h
[08:52] <zyga> 4am-orning
[08:53]  * ogra_ grumbles about his kiosk app being rejected because of missing .desktop file ... how pointless
[08:54] <Chipaca> hehe
[08:54] <Chipaca> zyga: morning
[08:54] <Chipaca> zyga: we were just talking about you and jetlag
[08:54] <Chipaca> ogra_: wat?
[08:55] <Chipaca> ogra_: what's rejecting your app because of that?
[08:55] <zyga> Store Review tools
[08:55] <zyga> How are you guys doing?
[08:55] <ogra_> yeah ... it uses an x11 loopback interface to itself ... the review tools block if you dont have a .desktop file when this interface is found
[08:55] <Chipaca> zyga: in #5224, does your "+1 but" mean an actual +1?
[08:55] <Chipaca> wait
[08:55] <Chipaca> zyga: #5524
[08:55]  * Chipaca kicks mup
[08:56] <zyga> Mup is partially off
[08:56] <ogra_> jetlag
[08:57] <zyga> Chipaca: that depends, if you agree then you can tweak the feature, if you don’t you can treat my review as +1
[08:57] <Chipaca> zyga: I disagree (explained a bit why on the pr)
[08:57] <zyga> Ok
[08:57] <Chipaca> zyga: (also i brought this other approach up with Juanreal before implementing it)
[08:57] <zyga> I haven’t read that yet
[08:58] <mup> PR #5224: interfaces: remove Plug/Slot types <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5224>
[08:58] <mup> PR #5524: cmd/snap: check for typographic dashes in command <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5524>
[09:00] <zyga> mvo: how is core18?
[09:15] <mvo> zyga: mostly happy, the snap-stop-mode test was still racy though, looks like output related, I added marker files and with that I got no failures yet (running with -repeat 100)
[09:16] <mvo> zyga: the integration PR is failing with what looks like unrelated issues
[09:16] <zyga> Thank you! That is good news
[09:16] <mvo> zyga: I am discussing kernel track names right now, I added you to the mail thread and maybe you can ask Gustavo to have a look so that we can make a decision. its one of the blockers for the model assertion for core18
[09:17] <zyga> How about the core18 snapd hosting  slots?
[09:17] <mvo> zyga: you mean 5527? or something else?
[09:19] <zyga> Yes
[09:19] <Chipaca> snap set system refresh.hold=+2h
[09:19] <zyga> I saw it was red
[09:19] <Chipaca> why can't we do that :-)
[09:19] <zyga> Didn’t check deeper yet
[09:33] <pedronis> Chipaca: the plan is to have a command to do that sort of stuff, was blocked on deciding how to call it and the fact we have too many commands
[09:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: I could add it to corecfg (if we ignore that the function is called 'validate' and not 'validate-and-normalise'
[09:34] <Chipaca> )
[09:35] <pedronis> please don't
[09:35]  * Chipaca quietly does 'git reset --hard'
[09:36] <mvo> zyga: aha, indeed, its red because settle is not converging
[09:36] <mvo> zyga: we need to either fake the production snapd id
[09:36] <mvo> zyga: or add the test snapd-id to the detection if its the snapd snap, we had this issue before I think
[09:36] <zyga> Ah, I remember now
[09:37] <zyga> Can you patch that in some acceptable way
[09:37] <zyga> I’d love to say “we can boot core18 and it works”
[09:39] <mvo> zyga: I can add a patch, we will see if that is "acceptable" ;)
[09:39] <mvo> zyga: just working on the sru for 2.34.1 will do in a little bit
[09:39] <zyga> Thank you :-)
[09:39] <zyga> Ok
[10:01]  * Chipaca steels himself to go to the dentist
[10:08] <zyga> mvo: feedback from the field: we should have a workflow where developers can copy a new kernel, snap install it and reboot
[10:09] <mvo> zyga: to test new kernels?
[10:09] <zyga> currently that doesn't work and requires time-consuming workarounds or use of ubuntu classic
[10:09] <zyga> yes
[10:09] <zyga> to do kernel development
[10:09] <zyga> (driver etc)
[10:09] <mvo> makes sense, we have some restrictions here currently mostly to avoid users doing strange things
[10:10] <zyga> mhm
[10:10] <zyga> maybe just --dangerous --very
[10:11] <zyga> or something like this
[10:19] <pstolowski> --scary
[10:23] <zyga> --I-know-what-you-did-last-summer
[10:24] <pstolowski> zyga: how is the sprint going?
[10:24] <zyga> very good so far
[10:24] <zyga> we have one interesting thing that was discussed yesterday evening
[10:24] <zyga> we will change how refresh works
[10:24] <zyga> I will share all the details later today/tomorrow (as time permits)
[10:24] <zyga> it will involve a new hook as well
[10:25] <pstolowski> interesting
[10:54] <pstolowski> pedronis: RFC - https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5532
[10:54] <mup> PR #5532: api/connect: report "nothing to do" if attempting to re-connect <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5532>
[10:56] <pedronis> pstolowski: mmh,   that's a change of behavior
[10:56] <pedronis> I think the old code just did nothing, not an error
[10:58] <pstolowski> pedronis: indeed, the old code would just do nothing in the handler, but created the change etc.
[10:58] <pedronis> pstolowski: we have  a similar case already
[11:01] <pedronis> pstolowski: we do this:   https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/daemon/api.go#L1436 but I think Connect shoudl return either an empty ts or some kind of error
[11:01] <pedronis> to trigger that behavior
[11:03] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes i considered empty ts, but wasn't sure a dummy change with 'done' status was a good idea (forgot we have a case already)
[11:05] <pstolowski> pedronis: okay, i will do it that way then
[11:46]  * Chipaca lunch
[11:48] <Chipaca> hmm, clearing refresh.hold with "" seems to be broken
[11:49] <Chipaca> 2018/07/18 12:48:39.556782 stateengine.go:101: state ensure error: internal error: cannot unmarshal snap "core" option "refresh.hold" into *time.Time: parsing time """" as ""2006-01-02T15:04:05Z07:00"": cannot parse """ as "2006", json: ""
[11:49] <Chipaca> hmm
[11:57]  * ogra_ curses loudly ...
[11:58] <ogra_> the damned review tools are making me mad today
[11:58] <popey> Don't get mad, get even.
[11:58] <ogra_> i think i tried evyery possible way to ship a pointless .desktop file for my kiosk daemon app now
[11:58] <ogra_> but they all got rejected
[11:59]  * ogra_ has no idea how to proceed with that
[11:59] <ogra_> snap/gui/ doesnt work, specifying it in snapcraft.yaml and shipping it doesnt ... not sure what else to try
[12:00] <popey> why not just put a valid desktop file?
[12:00] <ogra_> ?
[12:00] <popey> youre talking about a "pointless" desktop file
[12:00] <popey> why don't you do what we do for every other snap and put a valid one in there
[12:00] <ogra_> well, i use an IMHO valid file
[12:00] <ogra_> the point is that this is a daemon
[12:00] <ogra_> it doesnt need a desktop file since it cant be run from it
[12:00] <popey> can I see the project/yaml/desktop file?
[12:01] <ogra_> https://github.com/ogra1/xdmcp-client
[12:01] <popey> i always put the desktop file in snap/gui/foo.desktop
[12:01] <ogra_> (i originally shipped it in snap/gui, just moved it arouond to toplevel and defined it via deskto: )
[12:01] <popey> and never mention it in the yaml
[12:01] <popey> it gets automatically found
[12:01] <ogra_> yes
[12:01] <ogra_> thats what  did first
[12:02] <ogra_> *I
[12:02] <popey> your icon path is invalid
[12:02] <popey> in the desktop file
[12:02] <popey> put .desktop and .png in snap/gui, and make sure they are both called <snapname>.*
[12:02] <ogra_> yeah, now it is :( ... (wasnt when it was in snap/gui
[12:02] <ogra_> 9
[12:02] <ogra_> thats what i had in the former revision ...
[12:03] <ogra_> like in all other desktop snaps i create ...
[12:03] <ogra_> but that just caused the very same review error
[12:03] <ogra_> popey, https://github.com/ogra1/xdmcp-client/tree/c70eafedf3ea751730677a843782f567d7c2d816 was my last revision
[12:04] <popey> filename is wrong
[12:04] <popey> for the icon, make it xdmcp-client.png
[12:04] <ogra_>  <snapname>.desktop
[12:04] <popey> and refer to it as such in the desktop file
[12:04] <ogra_> well, icon.png works for all other desktop snaps i have ... but happy to try
[12:05] <niemeyer> mvo, nessita: Heya
[12:05] <popey> you can run the snap review tools locally to test it
[12:05] <popey> rather than do the store turn around time
[12:05] <niemeyer> snap info on snaps published by canonical is showing that long email address instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:06] <niemeyer> nessita: What do we need to do to fix that?
[12:06] <nessita> niemeyer, we should reindex the snaps, let me do that
[12:07] <niemeyer> nessita: Thanks!
[12:09] <nessita> niemeyer, have an example of a snap showing the wrong email address?
[12:25] <zyga> nessita: core
[12:27] <nessita> zyga, I see. That's the contact url of a snap which is set by the publisher and is not automatically changed when SSO profile data changes
[12:28] <popey> https://snapcraft.io/core could do with a metadata update too! as could https://snapcraft.io/canonical-livepatch
[12:31] <ogra_> the core text came originally from mark FWIW
[12:31] <ogra_> (i had a way longer text for the initial uploads)
[12:37] <popey> That was when we only had "snap info" though, the web store needs more text to make it look compelling.
[12:38] <Chipaca> not sure core needs to be compelling :-)
[12:38] <nessita> zyga, niemeyer I filed an RT to have the contact_url changed for every snap
[12:40] <ogra_> popey, true
[12:41] <popey> people link to it, it needs more than one line
[12:41] <ogra_> popey, so ... whatever i try i still get the same denial even with local review-tools
[12:41] <ogra_> ogra@acheron:~/Devel/xdmcp-client:master$ review-tools.snap-review xdmcp-client_0.1_amd64.snap
[12:41] <ogra_> Errors
[12:41] <ogra_> ------
[12:41] <ogra_>  - declaration-snap-v2:slots_deny-connection:xephyr:x11
[12:41] <ogra_> 	human review required due to 'deny-connection' constraint for 'on-classic' from base declaration
[12:41] <popey> thats not the same error
[12:41] <popey> that's not a desktop file issue
[12:41] <ogra_> (actually it doesnt look like the desktop file thing at all that i get by mail)
[12:41] <ogra_> no
[12:42] <popey> one for jamies
[12:42] <ogra_> the desktop file is what i got by mail from the review
[12:43] <ogra_> popey, hmm
[12:43] <ogra_> ogra@acheron:~/Devel/xdmcp-client:master$ review-tools.snap-review xdmcp-client_0.1_amd64.snap
[12:43] <ogra_> Errors
[12:43] <ogra_> ------
[12:43] <ogra_>  - declaration-snap-v2:slots_deny-connection:xephyr:x11
[12:43] <ogra_> 	human review required due to 'deny-connection' constraint for 'on-classic' from base declaration
[12:43] <ogra_> err
[12:43] <ogra_> one sec, wrong paste
[12:43] <ogra_> The reviewer provided the following feedback:
[12:43] <ogra_> desktop interfaces (x11) specified without a corresponding meta/gui/*.desktop file. If using snapcraft, please see https://snapcraft.io/docs/build-snaps/metadata#fixed-assets. Otherwise, please provide a desktop file in meta/gui/*.desktop (it should reference one of the 'apps' from your snapcraft/snap.yaml)
[12:43] <ogra_> thats what i get by mail ...
[12:43] <mup> PR #39: Login integration test closes #38 <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/39>
[12:44] <ogra_> seems slightly contradicting to what the review tools tell
[12:46] <ogra_> popey, is there a way to find out who did the manual review ?
[12:46] <ogra_> https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/xdmcp-client/revisions/12/review/ would be one that caused the mail
[12:47] <popey> Jamie
[12:47] <ogra_> oh, yeah, i didnt know i could open that link even !
[12:48] <ogra_> heh
[12:49] <ogra_> well, the tools definitely reject it because the app needs to declare a " slots: [ x11 ]" in the apps: section
[12:49] <ogra_> (to provide an x11 loopback interface for using XWayland under mir-kiosk)
[12:49] <ogra_> geez .... i didnt expect that to be this complicated ....
[12:49] <ogra_> yay ... new technology :)
[12:57]  * ogra_ updates https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/review-tools-forcing-desktop-file-for-kiosk-apps/6436
[13:28] <Chipaca> ogra_: "i didnt expect that to be this complicated" --napoleon, somewhere around sepember 1812
[13:28] <kjackal> hi everyone. I am a bit confused. Is it possible to have the launchpad builders build and release snaps on a few different tracks? Can we have lp builders build from branch A and release to track A and at the same time have other(?) builders build from branch B and release to track B?
[13:29] <roadmr> hello folks, there's currently an outage in the snap store, we're working to solve it, I'll update when it's fixed
[13:29] <kjackal> I may be missing some button
[13:29] <Chipaca> kjackal: I thought the builders only released to [foo?]/edge
[13:30] <Chipaca> kjackal: but https://docs.snapcraft.io/build-snaps/ci-integration seems to imply you should be able to choose branches
[13:31] <Chipaca> oh wait
[13:31] <Chipaca> those are lp branches :-)
[13:31] <Chipaca> kjackal: but in that same page, step 11
[13:33] <kjackal> I think I understand it now. I have to start with the branch on LP and then create the builders. let me try that
[13:34] <roadmr> store outage should now be resolved, thanks for your patience
[13:41] <pstolowski> pedronis: if you have some time for reviews, https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4940 needs re-reviewing; and i'm waiting for spread test run of #5532
[13:41] <mup> PR #4940: overlord: added UDevMonitor for future hotplug support <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4940>
[13:41] <mup> PR #5532: api/connect: ignore connect if already connected <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5532>
[13:45] <ogra_> Chipaca, lol
[13:58] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi, could you look at #5515
[13:58] <mup> PR #5515: daemon: make sure most change generating handlers can produce errors with kinds <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5515>
[14:09] <Chipaca> pedronis: looking
[14:09] <zyga> how are things going?
[14:10] <zyga> or doing actually
[14:11] <oSoMoN> I've added plugs for gtk-3-themes, icon-themes and sound-themes to the libreoffice snap like was done for a bunch of gnome app snaps, but I'm getting the following error and don't know what's causing it:
[14:11] <oSoMoN> main.go:192: cannot change mount namespace of snap "libreoffice" according to change mount (/snap/gtk-common-themes/319/share/icons/Adwaita /snap/libreoffice/x1/data-dir/icons/Adwaita none bind,ro 0 0): cannot create writable mimic over "/snap/libreoffice/x1": permission denied
[14:11] <oSoMoN> can anyone enlighten me?
[14:12] <Chipaca> pedronis: youch
[14:12] <oSoMoN> (this is what I added to snapcraft.yaml: https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap/commit/?id=0e58538d71af93eef00c6d73b7767a548208e30d)
[14:12] <oSoMoN> and the bug report with all the details is https://github.com/ubuntu/gtk-communitheme/issues/350
[14:12] <zyga> oSoMoN: hey
[14:13] <zyga> oSoMoN: can you share the snap yaml's of the two snaps and the output of "dmesg | grep DENIED" please
[14:13] <zyga> oSoMoN: also snap version but I suspect you are just on the latest stable
[14:15] <oSoMoN> zyga, snapcraft.yaml: https://git.launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+git/libreoffice-snap/tree/snap/snapcraft.yaml?h=6.0
[14:15] <oSoMoN> $ snap version
[14:15] <oSoMoN> snap    2.33.1
[14:15] <oSoMoN> snapd   2.33.1
[14:15] <oSoMoN> series  16
[14:15] <oSoMoN> ubuntu  18.04
[14:15] <oSoMoN> kernel  4.15.0-23-generic
[14:15] <zyga> ok
[14:16] <zyga> oSoMoN: can you tell me if $SNAP/data-dir/{themes,icons,sounds} all exist in the snap?
[14:16] <zyga> I assume they don't
[14:16] <oSoMoN> zyga, they don't
[14:16] <zyga> ok
[14:16] <zyga> please share the denial
[14:16] <zyga> and /var/lib/snapd/apparmor/profiles/snap-update-ns.libreoffice from the affected machine
[14:17] <oSoMoN> zyga, there are multiple denials, most of them are similar to this:
[14:17] <oSoMoN> juil. 18 16:17:04 bribon audit[4274]: AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed mntpnt match" error=-13 profile="snap-update-ns.libreoffice" name="/tmp/.snap/snap/libreoffice/69/" pid=4274 comm="3" srcname="/snap/libreoffice/69/" flags="rw, rbind"
[14:18] <oSoMoN> zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HhXgw52vzY/
[14:18] <zyga> ok
[14:19] <zyga> this is https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5395
[14:19] <mup> PR #5395: interfaces: generalize writable mimic profile <Core18> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5395>
[14:19] <zyga> I will try to land this branch
[14:19] <zyga> as a workaround please create, inside the libreoffice snap, the data-dir/
[14:19] <zyga> then the rest should work
[14:20] <zyga> it's the extra level of nesting that is breaking this
[14:20] <Chipaca> pedronis: is sideloadCheck just moved?
[14:21] <oSoMoN> zyga, thanks! I'll test creating the data-dir/ inside the snap
[14:21] <oSoMoN> I wonder why this is working for other snaps, like evince or gedit, though
[14:21] <oSoMoN> those don't have a data-dir/ directory either
[14:24] <zyga> I don't know
[14:24] <zyga> I will study the rules you gave me to see if this is the same thing I think for sure
[14:24] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:28] <zyga> oSoMoN: please let me know if this works for you
[14:28] <oSoMoN> zyga, yes, I'm repacking the snap with an additional data-dir/ directory, will let you know
[14:28] <zyga> oSoMoN: thank you
[14:28] <zyga> you can just unsquash it, mkdir and snap pack it
[14:30] <oSoMoN> zyga, yep, that's what I did
[14:30] <oSoMoN> but same error
[14:30] <oSoMoN> I verified that $SNAP/data-dir exists after installing
[14:30] <zyga> can you be more specific please, what is the error you are getting now
[14:30] <oSoMoN> cannot create writable mimic over "/snap/libreoffice/x1/data-dir": permission denied
[14:31] <zyga> that is more curious
[14:31] <zyga> hold on
[14:31] <zyga> well, add the extra three directories and that will go away
[14:31] <zyga> but I really need to get to the bottom of this
[14:31] <oSoMoN> ok, adding those
[14:31] <zyga> and please dmesg the denial that you saw now
[14:32] <oSoMoN> AVC apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed mntpnt match" error=-13 profile="snap-update-ns.libreoffice" name="/tmp/.snap/snap/libreoffice/x1/data-dir/" pid=8248 comm="3" srcname="/snap/libreoffice/x1/data-dir/" flags="rw, rbind"
[14:33] <zyga> thank you
[14:33] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes
[14:33] <oSoMoN> repacking with all three directories now, let's see if that works
[14:33] <Chipaca> pedronis: ah yes i edited locally to confirm :-)
[14:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: before +1'ing it (without the edit it would've taken me a lot longer to review)
[14:34] <pedronis> Chipaca: was moved far for some reason from either it's first or last usage
[14:34] <pedronis> so I moved it
[14:34] <zyga> ah
[14:34] <zyga> I know why it didn't help
[14:34] <pedronis> Chipaca: that test file is too long (tm) :(
[14:34] <zyga> but it's still that bug
[14:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: as is api.go itself
[14:35] <zyga> oSoMoN: the reason is that gtk-common-themes is actually exportng a number of items that are nested themselves
[14:36] <zyga> the branch I referenced fixes this but, as I said, it's on me to land
[14:42] <oSoMoN> zyga, I can confirm that creating the missing dirs works around the issue
[15:18] <abeato> jdstrand, mind taking a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5469 when you can?
[15:18] <mup> PR #5469: interfaces/apparmor: (un)load profiles in one apparmor_parser call <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5469>
[15:23] <zyga> oSoMoN: thank you
[16:18] <mvo> zyga: pr#5533  allows creating images with the new kernel-track feature of the model assertion. if Gustavo has a free minute it would be great to get his opinion on what kernel track name to pick. having one soon would be really great, then I can start writing an integration test
[16:23] <mvo> hm, no mup currently?
[17:54] <cachio> zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BQHWShC7Zv/
[17:55] <cachio> I see these denials executing a test for daemon-notify interface
[17:55] <cachio> zyga, any idea why it could be happening
[17:55] <cachio> =
[18:35] <zyga> cachio: yes, it is not auto-connected
[18:35] <zyga> you have a slot but it's not connected
[18:35] <cachio> zyga, I manually connected it
[18:35] <zyga> I wrote a thread about this on the forum
[18:35] <zyga> it's too late
[18:35] <zyga> you cannot connect it fast enough
[18:35] <zyga> well
[18:36] <zyga> I'd have to see your test service
[18:36] <zyga> but in general you cannot use that from non-service started by systemd
[18:36] <zyga> and you cannot connect it fast enough
[18:36] <zyga> so in practice it's not really usable
[18:36] <zyga> please read my forum post about this
[18:37] <zyga> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/its-a-little-bit-hard-to-use-daemon-notify-for-sd-notify/6366
[18:37] <zyga> mvo: the github part of mup is off because of the github availability issue
[18:37] <cachio> zyga, what I did is to connect it and the install it again
[18:38] <cachio> zyga, but same issue
[18:38] <zyga> that doesn't help
[18:38] <zyga> it's not auto-connected
[18:38] <zyga> because the install would likely fail
[18:38] <zyga> because the daemon: notify cannot be installed without successfully talking to systemd
[18:38] <zyga> can you show me the test please
[18:39] <cachio> zyga, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rkf8VXVg5K/
[18:39] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wrmrZz2rNY/
[18:39] <zyga> ok, and what did you expect to happen?
[18:40] <cachio> zyga, I am checking logs to see I there is any denial
[18:40] <cachio> zyga, still doing it manually
[18:41] <zyga> the interface is not auto-connected so as soon as you start the service it is attempting to use a program it cannot use
[18:41] <zyga> you can connect it
[18:41] <zyga> restart the service
[18:41] <zyga> but then it may not work _anyway_ depending on what systemd does
[18:41] <cachio> ok
[18:41] <zyga> if it allows you to talk over the socket (separately from our permission)
[18:45] <cachio> zyga, I'll try that, thanks
[19:43] <thiras> hello
[19:44] <thiras> discord and spotify are broken
[19:44] <thiras> $ snap run discord
[19:44] <thiras> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/home/thiras/snap/discord/69/.config/gtk-2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini': File exists
[19:44] <thiras> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gail"
[19:44] <thiras> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "atk-bridge"
[19:45] <thiras> ubuntu 18.04
[19:45] <jdstrand> abeato: yes. it is on my list. I looked at it and am ok with the approach, but I wanted to check a few things before giving my ack. I apologize for the delay. I've been meaning to get to it and am sprinting this week
[19:47] <thiras> spotify has quite similar error log
[20:04] <cachio> zyga, I have updated the PR #5535
[20:04] <mup> PR #5535: tests: fix tests expecting old email address <Critical> <Simple> <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5535>
[20:13] <zyga> cachio: I saw just now, thank you!
[20:13] <cachio> zyga, np


[16:44] <FernandoMiguel> here are the results of Android browsers vs iPhone 4/4S https://plus.google.com/110410748911890496777/posts my 1yo device is FASTER :D
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> hah, i just *had* to do this on the online tour - http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Recursion!.png
[18:49] <m_conley> congrats everyone on a great release!  :)
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley :)
[18:59] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey!
[18:59] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: http://www.ubuntu.com/tour <-- pretty cool
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i thought that too :)
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> did you see my reply to your tweet?
[18:59] <chrisccoulson> you can have a lot of fun with it ;)
[19:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: yeah, saw that.  Hilarious! :)
[19:14] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, how hard would it be to add support to thunderbird to allow it use oauth to authenticate with gmail?
[19:14] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hrm - you might want to ask bienvenu that in #maildev
[19:15] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, thanks. i might send him an e-mail actually
[19:15] <m_conley> cd ..
[19:15]  * m_conley sighs, then focuses the right window
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> good job it wasn't a password ;)
[19:17] <chrisccoulson> i've seen people do that before
[19:17] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so have I - bwinton did that a few months ago. :D
[19:17] <chrisccoulson> heh


[03:32] <nikolam> Hi, if I recover the contents of /home/username/.config/xfce4/panel/ from FS snapshot / backup, will I get actually same panel settings and preferences like before ?
[09:05] <col6nel> hey i wanted to download whatsapp on my ubuntu. i ran the win 10 64 bit through wine but .net installation is failing. i also tried to install .net manually but the WA setup just ignore it
[20:52] <jr_web_dev> im having an issue where when i close my laptop lid, my screen becomes unresponsive.. i have to reboot all the time by using tty
[23:27] <vvvvveia> jr_web_dev: I found this on the xubuntu subreddit, does it help you at all? https://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/k3w371/comment/ge98yye/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[23:30] <tomreyn> they're loooooong gone, i'm afraid
[23:31] <vvvvveia> oh true I forgot to check if they left. whoops


[23:00] <atamira> wow. no one says good morning anymore
[23:00] <atamira> morning !
[23:11] <ibeardslee> we have been quiet
[23:11] <ibeardslee> morning