[21:37] <arrrghhh> DasEi, built-in feature with linux/cups.
[21:37] <DasEi> Nexus1: hp and canon I got best results with
[21:37] <guntbert> !who | babu__
[21:38] <Nexus1> Alright thanks
[21:38] <guntbert> babu__: I didn't understand your last question
[21:38] <dominicdinada> what is the safe way to remove gnome desktop and xorg ? ?
[21:38] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, uhm... install the server edition?
[21:38] <Rabbitbunny> Aemaeth: Genius. It seems someone installed freenet. Thank you very much.
[21:38] <etrnl> dominicdinada, command line?
[21:38] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: that was not the question
[21:38] <etrnl> or rather ssh into the box
[21:38] <Aemaeth> Rabbitbunny, lol, i love freenet
[21:38] <DasEi> arrrghhh: you think of using sth. like gimp, choose print, then in file ?
[21:38] <dominicdinada> etrnl: yes
[21:39] <etrnl> dominicdinada, ssh in remotely
[21:39] <splnet> Is there a way to create a usb install disk with out using the USB creator gui?
[21:39] <arrrghhh> DasEi, i believe so.  i can boot up my ubuntu box if you want me to walk you thru it, but i'm pretty sure ubuntu has pdf printing out of the box.
[21:39] <Aemaeth> Rabbitbunny, there's even a "Search for open files" that could have probably helped (also in system monitor ctrl-O)
[21:39] <DasEi> splnet: many,  I like unetbootin
[21:39] <arrrghhh> splnet, pendrivelinux.net
[21:40] <dominicdinada> etrnl: well yes it would be ssh access but I guess when removing the gnome/xorg crap what do i risk losing ? confs in samba or network files etc?
[21:40] <Aemaeth> to talk of penprograms other than unetbootin is blasphemy
[21:40] <splnet> DasE, arrrghhh ok do either of those options support GPT partition type?
[21:40] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, you want the server edition it sounds like.  why are you trying to butcher up a desktop install when the server edition has what you want?
[21:40] <DasEi> arrrghhh: I'll come back onto it, just searched synaptic.. ups, 700 MB of stuff to down (yes, some other, too)
[21:40] <Jordan_U> splnet: GPT has nothing to do with your problem.
[21:41] <arrrghhh> splnet, no clue, but i would agree with Jordan_U.
[21:41] <thune3> Rabbitbunny: my connection to amazonaws.com is from ubuntu one syncing.
[21:41] <etrnl> dominicdinada, oh the only files you should lose are conf files for those respective programs
[21:41] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: to much data to lose, To much data to back up
[21:41] <splnet> Jordan_U: ? why do you say that?
[21:41] <etrnl> dominicdinada, since samba and such aren't dependant
[21:41] <DasEi> splnet: gpt on usb ?
[21:41] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, hrm... still sounds like you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
[21:42] <etrnl> he might have files and such already setup, its not that hard of a conversion really
[21:42] <Jordan_U> splnet: The only option for creating a USB drive that is bootable on a mac is to use grub-efi or elilo, and there is currently no tool for automating the process. I can help walk you through setting it up manually if you'd like.
[21:42] <dominicdinada> etrnl: but for the network manager the desktop makes things simple with auto network, samba, etc that will be lost ?
[21:42] <etrnl> wouldn't you just have to specify which runlevel to boot into and change some processes to boot at that runlevel instead of runlevel 5?
[21:42] <dominicdinada> etrnl: was that for me ?
[21:43] <etrnl> dominicdinada, all the network manager is a GUI for ifconfig/dhcp
[21:43] <etrnl> dominicdinada, could be, was pointing out to arrrghhh
[21:43] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok that would be great. What software do I need?
[21:43] <Jordan_U> splnet: Apple's firmware is unfortunately full of bugs and limitations, one of which that it's BIOS implementation doesn't recognise external drives (though its EFI implementation does).
[21:43] <arrrghhh> etrnl, i don't think that method would work so well.
[21:43] <dominicdinada> etrnl: oh ok so the auto load of those files wont change ? because when it was just commandline they didnt auto load the network and samba etc :/
[21:43] <guntbert> !runlevel | etrnl
[21:44] <ted__> Flannel: I have unetbootin ready on the Windows box.  Under the 10.04 Ubuntu distribution there are these options: NetInstall_x64, HdMedia_x64, and Live_X64.  Which one do I use for the Alternate CD?
[21:44] <splnet> Jordan_U: I just installed grub-efi
[21:44] <etrnl> oh, nevermind then
[21:44] <Jordan_U> splnet: That's all you need software wise.
[21:44] <ted__> Flannel: Going to a USB drive, that is.
[21:45] <splnet> Jordan_U: So what's the idea? boot into grub-efi -> usb device?
[21:45] <etrnl> dominicdinada, probably better installing server edition
[21:45] <livingdaylight> anyone know why when I have two instances of Adobe Air Installer in drop-down menu when right-clicking to install an air app?
[21:45] <arrrghhh> LOL sorry dominicdinada.  it really is the best solution.
[21:45] <Flannel> ted__: Uh, I've never heard of HdMedia before, Netinstall isn't what you want, nor is Live...
[21:46] <dominicdinada> etrnl: arrrghhh LOL it is the server edition with the xorg,gnome overlay because it was such a hassle long ago and now well....
[21:46] <ted__> Flannel: Thas is my thought.
[21:46] <Jordan_U> splnet: First of all, make sure that grub-efi-amd64 was installed rather than grub-efi-ia32 (unless you have an old 32 bit intel mac).
[21:46] <ted__> Flannel: It's the only one left over after the obviously inappropriate ones.
[21:46] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, uh... should i even ask why you installed xorg on a server?!?  normally i tell people to install the desktop edition if they want a gui...
[21:47] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, did you install xorg with aptitude?  you may be in luck then.  if you used apt-get, you're probably SOL.
[21:47] <etrnl> GUI's and servers are bleh
[21:47] <dominicdinada> because it was such a hassle. long ago nothing properly saved. No KB to boot it up each time and mount and turn on network etc...
[21:47] <etrnl> install windows if you want that
[21:47] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: yup
[21:47] <AndroidBruce> are there any details on these latest distribution updates?
[21:47] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok good catch.  done. whats next
[21:48] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: running aptitude gnome shows up as a installed package so i do believe it was installed via aptitude
[21:49] <Flannel> ted__: With what little information I've scraped from google, it appears that that might be the correct one
[21:49] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, that's not an indicator that it was installed by aptitude... they're both front-ends for apt.
[21:49] <Flannel> ted__: Since we're just trying this on a USB and not a CD, I suppose we don't lose much by trying :)
[21:49] <intrusion> "i686-pc-linux-gnu failed" any help??
[21:49] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: correct but i dont use apt
[21:50] <Jordan_U> splnet: I assume that you have a fat32 partition on the flash drive. Mount that partition to /mnt (or wherever you want, I will use /mnt as the path in my instructions).
[21:50] <DasEi> arrrghhh: yes, works this way gimp > print...> to file, choice of pdf,svg,postscript,  even does boxe and such, nice..
[21:50] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, oh but you do... you just use front-ends that connect inot it.
[21:50] <thune3> AndroidBruce: which updates? which ubuntu version?
[21:50] <mike12345> Hi, I'm running 10.04 on my laptop and my desktop. If I connect the UMTS stick Huawai E160 to my laptop, it works fine. If I connect it to my laptop it does not work. I checked dmesg. It seems that the modem-manager on the laptop does not pick it up.
[21:50] <arrrghhh> DasEi, I said it was built-in :P
[21:50] <mike12345> sorry, on the desktop
[21:51] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: let me get this right... you are arguing with me about gnome/xorg if i used aptitude or apt and i say it is showing up in aptitude and never use apt.
[21:51] <splnet> Jordan_U: done
[21:51] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: oranges or apples ?
[21:51] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, no one is arguing.  i apologize if you feel that i am.
[21:51] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, i'm just telling you how things work
[21:51] <RainRain> trying to use toggl on ubuntu but there's something wrong with it - anyone know of a similar replacement
[21:51] <DasEi> arrrghhh: if you google it, there are really funny tuts, and synaptic wasn't helpful O:-)
[21:51] <intrusion> "i686-pc-linux-gnu failed" any help??
[21:51] <arrrghhh> DasEi, hrm.  i guess i always saw the print to pdf option and never thought twice about it ;)
[21:52] <Jordan_U> splnet: Now run "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt"
[21:52] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: deductive reasoning says that if it is listen in APTITUDE and I NEVER USE APT then it was installed via, Aptitude
[21:52] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, you're not using logic here... do you want me to explain how aptitude and apt-get are really just front-ends for apt?
[21:52] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok got that
[21:53] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: Gonna need some more info.
[21:53] <Flannel> dominicdinada: No, it could've been installed with the Software Center, or Synaptic, or a number of other frontends
[21:53] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, i just don't want to bust up your system by giving you a command that may or may not work.
[21:53] <arrrghhh> i don't think anyone else here wants to do that either.
[21:53] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: well true and i accept that
[21:54] <arrrghhh> truth be told, you shouldn't have put a GUI on your server install in the first place dominicdinada...
[21:54] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: "error: /bin/bash ./config.sub =i686-pc-linux-gnu failed" i'm trying to setup AVR libc but when i try to run the configure command it just gives me that. i've tryed build-essentials package and it still dosent work. i've run out of idea's, was hoping someone else might know a trick
[21:54] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, that's what webmin and ebox are for :D
[21:54] <dominicdinada> Flannel: in order to use synaptic or software center doesn't the xorg gnome front end have to be there :O well even if not I would not have installed synaptic and software center before the desktop
[21:54] <Jordan_U> splnet: I'm getting out my intel mac and confirming that things work as I go, so it may take a while.
[21:54] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: EBOX = Biggest fail ever
[21:55] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok
[21:55] <arrrghhh> dominicdinada, uh ok.  i've never used it...
[21:55] <arrrghhh> i use webmin, although it's not "officially" supported in ubuntu any longer.
[21:55] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: http://pastebin.org  One lines isn't going to help, it said something before that that was useful.
[21:55] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: that crap effed up my system so bad, tried it 10 diff times
[21:55] <arrrghhh> hrm.  i'm going to stay away from that comment...
[21:55] <dominicdinada> arrrghhh: i have webmin but dont like that someone cant just release a mod for the samba etc
[21:55] <AndroidBruce> thune3 lucid lynx 10.04
[21:56] <Flannel> AndroidBruce: You're looking to remove what from your system again?
[21:56] <Flannel> erm
[21:56] <Flannel> sorry AndroidBruce
[21:56] <Flannel> dominicdinada: You're looking to remove what from your system again?
[21:56] <AndroidBruce> Flannel, it's ok
[21:56] <Matthes> back
[21:56] <AndroidBruce> i am just curious about this dist update that i've receieved on 10.04
[21:56] <arrrghhh> Flannel, from what i've gathered, X and gnome-desktop.
[21:56] <Matthes> couldn't find powercable of hdd >_>
[21:57] <dominicdinada> Flannel: well it might be more headache than it is worth now that i think of it
[21:57] <Flannel> dominicdinada: See if autoremove does what you're looking for.
[21:57] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: http://pastebin.org/480336
[21:57] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, can you explain more?  are you running 10.04?
[21:57] <etrnl> weird so I move the image over to my macbook and burn it at 10x and now I am cruising through the base system install
[21:57] <ted__> Flannel: After ``Installation Complete, Reboot (Current), UNetbootin has these messages: After rebooting, select the USB boot option in the BIOS boot menu. (No problem there.)  Next line: *IMPORTANT* Before rebooting, place an Ubuntu alternate (not desktop) install iso file on the root directory of your hard drive or USB drive.  These can be obtained from cdimage.ubuntu.com (The `alternative CD' is not in there.)
[21:57] <etrnl> yay for two badly written cds @ 24x
[21:57] <burak_> hey ;)
[21:57] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, yes
[21:58] <Flannel> ted__: Thatd be the file I linked to your earlier, the alternate iso
[21:58] <Flannel> ted__: I can give you a new link if you need it
[21:58] <acidjazz> what package in ubuntu do i need to install to run the 'deb' get commands
[21:58] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, so what's the question?  i'm not sure what you mean.
[21:58] <the20year> using places>ftp , how do you change directory permissions? When i right click properties/permissions , it says the file type couldn't be determined
[21:58] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, is there a way to see a changelog of recent updates?
[21:58] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, yea, i think apt has a log somewheres...
[22:00] <ted__> Flannel: I've put the alternate CD image on the USB drive.  Do I just set the BIOS to boot from it?  Is that all it means?  Or is there something else?
[22:00] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, i removed compiz and it looks like it's do a dist update and redownloading compiz
[22:00] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: You're missing libboost.     sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev
[22:00] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, hrm... interesting.  is there a /var/log entry for apt?
[22:00] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, lemme take a look
[22:00] <the20year> anyone?
[22:01] <dominicdinada> AndroidBruce: purge compiz?
[22:01] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, looks like there are some .logs
[22:01] <AndroidBruce> dominicdinada, i removed compiz with synaptic
[22:02] <arrrghhh> the20year, that's for connecting to an ftp server.  you have to change permissions on the server itself.
[22:02] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, perhaps those will point you in the right direction...
[22:02] <the20year> k , so i can't do it without a dedicated ftp program?
[22:02] <arrrghhh> the20year, do you have access to the ftp server?
[22:02] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, was a partial upgrade
[22:02] <Flannel> ted__: What that's saying is "when you boot to this USB drive, it will boot this program, and that progrm will look for that iso for data"
[22:02] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, ew... i'm sorry.
[22:02] <splnet> the20year: if you have permissions on the directory you can do it from within ftp
[22:02] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, yea?
[22:02] <the20year> yeah , it's my server , i'm on it w/ admin privledges
[22:02] <Flannel> ted__: So yeah, once you've stuck it on the root of that drive, reboot to the USB
[22:02] <AndroidBruce> what is a 'partial upgrade'?
[22:03] <ted__> Flannel: k
[22:03] <ted__> Bye for now...
[22:03] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, yea, partial upgrades suck.  basically everything could not be updated correctly - package dependencies, hardware issues, there are a ton of factors.
[22:03] <splnet> Jordan_U: are you still around?
[22:03] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, ohh mother
[22:03] <arrrghhh> the20year, what do you serve ftp with?  proftp?  vsftp?
[22:03] <Jordan_U> splnet: Yes.
[22:04] <the20year> not really sure what the server is using
[22:04] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, basically.  did you have issues upgrading from karmic recently i'm guessing.
[22:04] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: didn't work
[22:04] <arrrghhh> the20year, who setup the box?
[22:04] <klax0n> hi
[22:04] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: pastebin?
[22:05] <the20year> the  hosting  company, it's a shared server
[22:05] <arrrghhh> the20year, talk to them.,
[22:05] <the20year> nevermind i guess, i was able to get filezilla
[22:05] <splnet> Jordan_U: so does efi-grub replace the mac boot manager?
[22:05] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, no i did a fresh install of lucid
[22:06] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, really?  when did you get the partial-upgrade message?
[22:06] <AndroidBruce> just now
[22:06] <AndroidBruce> a 15 mins ago maybe
[22:06] <Jordan_U> splnet: No.
[22:06] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, were you installing something?  updating anything?
[22:06] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: exactly the same output
[22:06] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, my wife was using firefox at the time
[22:06] <klax0n> i woud run ftp server,how can help me?
[22:06] <AndroidBruce> i was stupid and didn't look at what was updating
[22:06] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, i saw that it updated flash player as well
[22:07] <Oer> !ftp
[22:07] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, hrm... that's very odd.  seems like you just had a bad update.
[22:07] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: that's near line 15 of a normal build.
[22:07] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, ahh ok well i will see. any word on the next update?
[22:07] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, i may have missed it, but is something _not_ working?
[22:07] <jgcampbell300> can anyone point me to a "newbie" tutorial / guide to setting up and understanding domain controlers, dns, servers, and any other information related to the basics of both?
[22:07] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, no
[22:07] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, well the next ubuntu upgrade is in october.  maverick drops 10.10.10 i believe.
[22:08] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, i wouldn't worry about it then ;)
[22:08] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, lol ok
[22:08] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
[22:08] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, is that maverick merecat?
[22:08] <hosoka> hello, do I at the right room for sound issues with Alsa on Ubuntu 10.04
[22:08] <AndroidBruce> meerkat rather
[22:08] <Rabbitbunny> hosoka: Yes.
[22:08] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, yes.
[22:08] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/samba-dc.html
[22:08] <caim> Good evening
[22:09] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, when that releases is there an easy way to backup all of my data, settings etc?
[22:09] <distant2> i'd like to know, when having ubuntu+windows on a system, if there's a risk for the windows personal data files to be accessed from ubuntu (via the inter/network) and vice versa.
[22:09] <jgcampbell300> ActionParsnip: thank you
[22:09] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, im a fairly new ubuntu user
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dns-server-setup-using-bind-in-ubuntu.html
[22:09] <klax0n> no, i woud install wordpress in localhost but it say give ftp u & p
[22:09] <hosoka> Rabbitbunny: I have sound issues with Alsa which can explain on site http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=571219e8d46cfb9ca02ac317614d2c83e6c2b0ea
[22:09] <ActionParsnip> jgcampbell300: all I did was websearch, you could have done that
[22:09] <opc_0de> HI everyone, Does anybody know of any ubuntu software having similar functionality to pikybasket (windows only) - http://lifehacker.com/358571/copy-and-paste-scattered-files-with-piky-basket . thanks.
[22:09] <hosoka> in the Alsa room nobody answers.
[22:09] <Rabbitbunny> distant2: That question doesn't really make sense as file acces isn't normally considered a risk if it's running on the same hardware.
[22:09] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, no worries.  uhm... as far as backups go there's several options.  having a separate /home is a good start, and there's several backup suites if you want to just backup files.  for the most part upgrades are pretty tame.  i've had some fail, but not many.
[22:09] <caim> I am trying to boot my dom0 kernel over xen 4.0 and I get the following error : (XEN) Dom0 kernel not specified. Check the bootloader configuration.  Dom0 is specified correctly and should work
[22:10] <Jordan_U> splnet: Ok, now run "sudo mkdir /mnt/efi; sudo cp -r /mnt/boot/grub /mnt/efi/"
[22:10] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: any idea's?
[22:11] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, i gotcha. so best bet is to put my /home on it's on partition
[22:11] <AndroidBruce> own**
[22:11] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: I'd consider fulfilling the rest of the dependancies.
[22:11] <hosoka> I am running the Ubuntu 10.04 and have sound issues with Alsa running on a soundcard snd_hda_intel
[22:11] <janicko> is there any way how to open bin file?
[22:11] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, that's just for ease of formatting, which evidently you don't have to format / if you do a fresh instlal.
[22:11] <opc_0de> *: anyone?? i did google search but that didn't help
[22:12] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok
[22:12] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, yeah i gotcha. is there anyway to put my /home on it's own partition now?
[22:12] <xangua> hosoka: ubuntu uses pulseaudio by defaultm what issues¿
[22:12] <^hiku> opc_0de: I don't know of anything like that for linux. not a gui anyway
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> opc_0de: pyou can use find -exec paitrings to search for files which are so old / modified when etc and copy those
[22:12] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: i'm almost certain they are all done. this is the last little thing i have to do and unfortunatly its the only one that has gone wrong
[22:12] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, eh... it gets kinda tricky if the hdd is already partitioned.  if you have free (raw) space on the drive it's pretty easy.  but not many people leave that unless they're doing disk spanning...
[22:12] <Rabbitbunny> hosoka: That doesn't show what the problem is.
[22:13] <Jordan_U> splnet: Now unmount the flash drive and try booting with the flash drive plugged in holding option. If the USB drive still isn't showing up as a boot option you may need to install rEFIt.
[22:13] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: That's how it always works.
[22:13] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: bugger.
[22:14] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, i wouldn't worry about the home partition honestly.  just backup your vitals and you'll be fine.
[22:14] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, yeah def not the case here. is it possible to throw another harddrive in and dd /home to that and tell my install somehow where the new /home is?
[22:14] <opc_0de> ActionParsnip: I want to interactively just go folder by folder and select files to be copied (GUI)..
[22:14] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok rEFIt is alreaady installed
[22:14] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, yea, but again... i wouldn't worry about it too much.  it only comes into play when doing a fresh install, and i guess you don't have to format / to do that anymore :P
[22:14] <splnet> Jordan_U: secondly, I haven't installed the installer onto the flash yet
[22:14] <Jordan_U> splnet: Then just boot with the flash drive plugged in and it should show up as an option in rEFIt
[22:15] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, i see ok
[22:15] <splnet> Jordan_U: well.. it wasn't working before. Thats why I was trying to do the guid parition type
[22:15] <AndroidBruce> arrrghhh, but ideally you want /home, /system, /boot on sep partitions
[22:15] <Jordan_U> splnet: This is just a test, after we've confirmed that grub loads I'll walk you through setting up grub to boot from the Ubuntu iso.
[22:15] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, so long as you backup stuff that can't be replaced - docs, music, etc you'll be fine.
[22:16] <janicko> would i have help to set wireless router? It is recognized, but i can't connect to internet
[22:16] <irule> may I export display from an ubuntu to another to show an application on the other remotelly?
[22:16] <distant2> i'd like to know, when having ubuntu+windows on a system, if there's a risk for the windows personal data files to be accessed from ubuntu (via the inter/network) and vice versa.
[22:16] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok. give me a couple of minutes
[22:16] <arrrghhh> AndroidBruce, uhm... back in the day there used to be advantage to slicing those out into separate partitions... i don't see the advantage of it any more, unless you're concerned about space usage.
[22:17] <xangua> arrrghhh: since when there is no advantage¿¿ :S
[22:17] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, if I completely wipe my usb flash drive with the command `sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M`, would it still be bootable if I used unetbootin to write an iso on it?
[22:17] <Oer> distant2, no risk. as long as you do not mount it, ubuntu will not acces a windows partition.
[22:18] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: yes
[22:18] <RainRain> could someone point me in the right direction -  i downloaded timeedition as a tgz file - trying to install it
[22:18] <rww> KnifeySpooney: part of unetbootin's job is to make it bootable, yes
[22:18] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: though you need to have at least 1 partition before I think
[22:18] <arrrghhh> xangua, what advantage do you get from it?
[22:18] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: and that part needs to be formated fat32 or fat16
[22:18] <distant2> Oer: what is mounting? and also how does ubuntu get installed from within windows (inside the ntfs partition?)
[22:19] <KnifeySpooney> hiku, rww,ok :) good, i've done this plenty before but it appeared the boot sector was corrupt (hopefully the drive is not dying)
[22:19] <_DGM_> distant2: you cant really install on an ntfs partition. The only way to run it "inside windows" would be on a virtual machine
[22:19] <xangua> distant2: you mean !wubi ¿
[22:19] <Oer> distant2, installing inside windows, you use WUBI for that.
[22:19] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: nice. I hope it's not a bad usb stick =(
[22:19] <livingdaylight> !mstcorefonts
[22:20] <livingdaylight> !mscorefonts
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> hiku, do you know if unetbootin rewrites the boot record every time it runs?
[22:20] <Oer> livingdaylight, mstcorefonts can be found in restricted extra's
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> and partition table
[22:20] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: well, it's installing an OS everytime you run it, so I'd have to say yes =)
[22:20] <KnifeySpooney> hiku, okay, sounds good, thanks
[22:20] <distant2> yes i mean wubi, and i wonder how it does that
[22:21] <^hiku> KnifeySpooney: no problem. good luck
[22:21] <^hiku> distant2: magic
[22:21] <distant2> does it install without having an additional partition?
[22:21] <^hiku> distant2: yes
[22:21] <gmachine_24> I need to know what program is good for editing PHP please? Thank you.
[22:21] <guntbert> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer | livingdaylight
[22:21] <distant2> ^hiku: well then i think my personal files from the inactive os would be at risk then won't they.
[22:21] <^hiku> distant2: wubi is really for test driving the os without the need for a cd/dvd to boot from to test it out.
[22:21] <Greg-O> i have a question
[22:22] <livingdaylight> guntbert, can't find it
[22:22] <^hiku> distant2: well, if it's "inactive" then how would they be at risk?
[22:22] <gmachine_24> Just out of curiosity, can anyone see my typing?
[22:22] <distant2> ^hiku: they would be accessible.
[22:22] <guntbert> livingdaylight: did you enable the multiverse repository?
[22:22] <^hiku> gmachine_24: yes
[22:22] <Rabbitbunny> Greg-O: Ask it, Everyone is waiting for a question they know the answer to.
[22:22] <Greg-O> could someone help me with something please?
[22:22] <RainRain> i have an executable file which is giving me an error when i double click it - am i supposed to do something special to install it
[22:22] <gmachine_24> ^hiku: thanks
[22:22] <livingdaylight> guntbert, is it 'ttf-mscorefonts-installer 3.2 ?
[22:23] <distant2> ^hiku: i'm talking about personal files, which can have access codes etc. very sensible.
[22:23] <^hiku> distant2: are you worried that the wubi install within your windows install is gonna kill your windows files?
[22:23] <xangua> RainRain: by executable you mean a windows app¿¿ install !wine
[22:23] <^hiku> gmachine_24: your welcome
[22:23] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: You means an exe meant for windows?  try running it from a terminal.
[22:23] <RainRain> well i downloaded the package for linux
[22:23] <gmachine_24> ^hike how do we type your name correctly?
[22:23] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok I just attempted to boot from the usb device. no dice
[22:23] <gmachine_24> ^hiku: I meant hiku
[22:23] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: that's not and exe then. it should be *.deb
[22:23] <^hiku> gmachine_24: use the "tab" key to auto-complete
[22:23] <splnet> Jordan_U: same problem
[22:24] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: will check again
[22:24] <gmachine_24> ^hiku, ok
[22:24] <distant2> ^hiku: i may be more worried by this: when working on windows (having installed ubuntu by wubi) the files i put on ubuntu system would be accessible from windows by a thrid party.
[22:24] <Greg-O> so i downloaded konversation and its not showing up under applications, so i dont know how to start it
[22:24] <Thqrmt> can I output sound thru the headphone jack and built in speaker simultaneously?
[22:24] <guntbert> livingdaylight: the package is ttf-mscorefonts-installer, the version is 3.2 yes
[22:24] <Rabbitbunny> Greg-O: Still typing?
[22:24] <livingdaylight> guntbert, thx
[22:24] <xangua> Greg-O: launch it from terminal or the launcher
[22:24] <Rabbitbunny> Thqrmt: Neve seen an option for that one.
[22:24] <guntbert> livingdaylight: you're welcome :-)
[22:24] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: no it says linux and it's got an "executable" file it it when i extract
[22:25] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: From where?
[22:25] <Greg-O> ok, is there a way for me to put it under applications
[22:25] <^hiku> distant2: yup cause it's on the windows partiton and the ubuntu files will be readable. so, install ubuntu on another "second" disk and dual boot.
[22:25] <xangua> Greg-O: it should be on apps>internet
[22:25] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: http://www.timeedition.com/en/downloads/index.html
[22:25] <Jordan_U> splnet: There should have been a new icon in the rEFIt list (the onld one would still also be there, still non-functional)
[22:25] <^hiku> distant2: or part out your primary disk and install ubuntu on the second partition
[22:25] <Thqrmt> Rabbitbunny do you know of the most advanced ways to modify sound preferences in ubuntu?
[22:25] <Greg-O> xangua: but it isnt, and thats the problem
[22:26] <distant2> ^hiku: and that can be done by the live cd?
[22:26] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: That's an archive, right click on it and extract it.
[22:26] <^hiku> distant2: and, if your "really really" worried. Run ubuntu from a usb drive with a persistant file system for storing your data.
[22:26] <splnet> Jordan_U: no there was nothing. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1948 <- this says it needs to have guid partioning
[22:26] <RainRain> i know and inside it's got an "executable" file which errors out when i double click it
[22:27] <^hiku> distant2: for that I would read up on - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[22:27] <kreeper> where can i find a list of commands for grub rescue
[22:27] <^hiku> kreeper: man page?
[22:27] <distant2> ^hiku: hmm. interesting. but won't the files inside the usb be readable when inserted without booting?!
[22:27] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: when i access the properites it says under type "executable (application/x-executable)"
[22:28] <DasEi> !grub2 > kreeper
[22:28] <^hiku> distant2: from windows? no
[22:28] <kreeper> i cant use the man pages it juns says no command "man"
[22:28] <^hiku> distant2: hmm, check that... yes. nver mind
[22:28] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: You'd have to run it from console, but it won't work anyway.
[22:28] <xangua> what about gnome menu extended Greg-O ¿ http://gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/Gnome+Menu+Extended+%28Debian+Package%29?content=73515
[22:28] <distant2> ^hiku: no, from the systems that'll recognize the file system on the usb.
[22:28] <^hiku> distant2: so basicly your trying to do what?
[22:28] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: I went ahead and grabbed it, It errors out.
[22:28] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: thanks for that
[22:29] <test_> Hi, is there someone who knows if there exists any alternative to Adobe Reader to display Java Serialized Objects ?
[22:29] <Mqueue> how do I create a harddrive image of my windows drive to a new drive using live C
[22:29] <^hiku> distant2: yes and the file system on a usb drive (installing via unetbootin) will be format fat
[22:29] <DasEi> kreeper:whole story ?
[22:29] <Oer> Mqueue, DD
[22:29] <Oer> !dd
[22:29] <Greg-O> xangua: i have no idea what that means, i just got ubuntu 2 days ago< and im not very comp savvy
[22:29] <Mqueue> !dd
[22:29] <RainRain> finding it very hard to get a decent time tracking program working on ubuntu - trying to replace toggl - any suggestions
[22:29] <f0d> how can i install rpm files in ubuntu
[22:29] <Mqueue> thanks you :)
[22:29] <Oer> !info dd
[22:30] <DasEi> kreeper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[22:30] <^hiku> distant2: I would just dual boot your system. that way, ubuntu can be setup to not see the windows drive, and the other way around =)
[22:30] <kreeper> i tried starting my computer and it just goes to a cli screen that says GRUB RESCUE>
[22:30] <vemon> f0d, you'd have to use something like alien to convert the package to deb. i'd still recommend finding the real ubuntu package for the job
[22:30] <rww> Oer: it's part of the 'coreutils' package
[22:30] <f0d> vemon: i cant find it
[22:30] <^hiku> distant2: you could alway encrypt the usb filesystem with a password =)
[22:30] <rww> ubottu: alien | f0d
[22:31] <luckybunny> I think I killed terminal
[22:31] <Oer> rww tnx
[22:31] <f0d> vemon: and i don't think its available
[22:31] <distant2> ^hiku: encrypt it from the installation inside the usb itself?
[22:31] <Oer> Mqueue, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[22:31] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: Search the Software Center for 'hamster'
[22:31] <vemon> f0d, i'd even go as far as installing from source rather than using alien
[22:31] <distant2> ^hiku: i mean, no wait.
[22:31] <janicko> would somebody help me to get my wireless router working?
[22:31] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: thanks
[22:31] <DasEi> Mqueue: dd is part of a metapackage, sectorwise copying tool; sudo apt-get install dd && man dd
[22:31] <^hiku> distant2: more like after the unetbootin installation
[22:32] <^hiku> !ot | janicko
[22:32] <f0d> vemon: heh
[22:32] <f0d> vemon: well
[22:32] <arand> Mqueue: dd is one way, but fsarchiver or a clonezilla-liveCD might be a more efficient/easier choice.
[22:32] <luckybunny> terminal disappears every time I open it. immediately, and without a command prompt
[22:32] <vemon> f0d, what's the app you're missing?
[22:32] <^hiku> brb
[22:32] <xangua> ^hiku: why is that !ot¿
[22:33] <Jordan_U> splnet: Apple's documentation lies :)
[22:33] <f0d> vemon: sgifonts.
[22:33] <Rabbitbunny> luckybunny: You have something in your .bash_rc?
[22:33] <coz_> luckybunny,   hit alt+F2  and type gnome-terminal  and see if it opens that way
[22:33] <distant2> ^hiku: now this made me think that even if my files on my windows system aren't accessible from another user in windows, if someone can remove the hdd and plug it somewhere, would he be able to access and read all the files on that hdd? oh my...
[22:33] <DasEi> janicko: solved your wired problem ?
[22:33] <f0d> 22:27 < f0d> is it possible for someone to use git to manage file handling like, backups and so on
[22:33] <hosoka> ubuntu 10.04 is using Alsa and I have issues with sound
[22:33] <f0d> 22:27 < f0d> other than just source code versioning control
[22:33] <f0d> btw
[22:33] <hosoka> all are at maximum but still no sound
[22:33] <luckybunny> it doesn't
[22:33] <Jordan_U> Do you have an efi/grub/grub.efi path on your flash drive?
[22:33] <Jordan_U> splnet: ^^
[22:34] <coz_> hosoka,   you mean from terminal    alsamixer   all sliders are at max and none muted?
[22:34] <^hiku> distant2: of course, but that's always been the case. if anyone has access to the computer and can touch it, then they can do just about anything they want
[22:34] <splnet> Jordan_U: yes I did
[22:34] <vemon> f0d, http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2026302 :D you don't seem to be alone with that
[22:34] <hosoka> coz, via alsamixer have put all on the max.
[22:34] <splnet> Jordan_U: mkdir /mnt/efi; cp -r /mnt/boot/grub /mnt/efi
[22:34] <f0d> vemon: seen that yeah
[22:34] <distant2> ^hiku: actually i would be at ease if they could just destroy the hardware but not access the files!
[22:35] <livingdaylight> i've installed mscorefonts but when i look in software center i dont' see that it's installed
[22:35] <kreeper> so will all of the grub 2 commands work in GRUB RESCUE?
[22:35] <coz_> hosoka,  when you open    alsamixer from terminal  is your card printed out at the top?  does it recognize the sound card i mean?
[22:35] <distant2> i wonder why i never thought about this. doesn't the os put the in-system protected files in some protected area that even an external system can't read?
[22:35] <Jordan_U> splnet: I'm not using GPT on my flash drive and it's working fine here, if you want to try it though just use gparted to create a GPT label on the flash drive and try again.
[22:35] <DasEi> kreeper: grub-rescue, do you mean busybox ?
[22:35] <Jordan_U> kreeper: No.
[22:36] <splnet> Jordan_U: yeah I'm a step ahead of you:) I'm getting this error on grub-install though:
[22:36] <luckybunny> coz_: It immediately closed again, still
[22:36] <hosoka> yes, HDA Intel with chip Intel G45 DEVCTG
[22:36] <Jordan_U> distant2: No.
[22:36] <splnet> Jordan_U: /mnt/boot/grub doesn't look like an EFI partition.
[22:36] <Jordan_U> splnet: Is it formatted fat32?
[22:36] <splnet> Jordan_U: ext2
[22:36] <kreeper> i'm not sure, it says cant read from hd 0,1  and then under it it says GRUB RESCUE>
[22:37] <vemon> f0d, the hard way would then be to learn how the font system works, extract the fonts from the rpm and manually install them to your system
[22:37] <hosoka> have gone through Alsa update with 1.023 and felt I am missing sound at the max. Very low on sound output.
[22:37] <Jordan_U> splnet: Apple's firmware only supports fat32 and hfsplus.
[22:37] <coz_> luckybunny,  try this in alt+F2    gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=Default
[22:37] <xangua> hosoka: what about with pulseaudio¿
[22:37] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: Last time I saw that message I bought a new hard drive. Mine was a heat failure.
[22:37] <splnet> Jordan_U: ah ok I'll try it with mkfs.vfat then
[22:37] <Jordan_U> kreeper: Is this a fresh install?
[22:38] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: I'd try datarecover first, then grub recovery, then fresh install if grub can't be recovered.
[22:38] <kreeper> no i've had it for about a month
[22:38] <luckybunny> coz_: still immediate disappearance
[22:38] <Jordan_U> kreeper: Do you have more than one hard drive?
[22:38] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: By doing data recovery first you make sure that if the drive only has 10minutes life left, you use that time getting your data.
[22:38] <kreeper> we had a power outage yesterday too so maybe that has something to do with it
[22:38] <pala> i have a wired 802.1.x secured network - is there any way i can save the password in network-manager?
[22:39] <pala> it doesn't seem to have that option
[22:39] <kreeper> i only have 1 hdd
[22:39] <splnet> Jordan_U: ok I'll try this again. Hopefully that will do it
[22:39] <mifadir> how can i get my cam work on ubuntu 10.04
[22:39] <distant2> well then can anyone tell me what's the most efficient way to protect files with sensible data form being read by anybody besides the system? is encryption the only solution?
[22:39] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: Uh, this is not sounding good.
[22:39] <coz_> luckybunny,  mm   open the home directory.... hit  ctrl+h and look for the  .bashrc  file
[22:40] <thune3> luckybunny: maybe alt+f2 run "xterm", then try launching gnome-terminal from that and see if you get any error messages
[22:40] <coz_> luckybunny,  move that to the desktop and restart the terminal
[22:40] <kreeper> i know. i could reinstall it but i have files i want to save
[22:40] <_DGM_> distant2: the "system" programs that need to read them should be ran as a specific user. Then you chrown those files to only allow read to that specific user. That will do what you want
[22:40] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: Uh, it doesn't really sound like you'll be getting any data.
[22:41] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: thanks - tried out hamster but what i need is something that will track time spend on projects
[22:41] <hosoka> pulseaudio mentions Daemon already running
[22:41] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: I'd seriously start on some data recovery.
[22:41] <luckybunny> no .bashrc.... O.O
[22:41] <_DGM_> distant2: for example if your program is called blah, you'd make a blahuser and make those files owned by the blahuser, then you modify the rights of the files to read only to owner
[22:41] <hosoka> but if 10.04 comes with Alsa by default there should be no issue with sound.
[22:41] <coz_> luckybunny,  it should be there somewhere
[22:41] <xangua> hosoka: doesn't ubuntu uses pulse by default¿
[22:41] <distant2> _DGM_: i'm talking about unplugging the hard drive so to read all files inside it from another computer.
[22:42] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: Hmm, it seems to track them kinda well...
[22:42] <hosoka> xangua, no. I do not see that.
[22:42] <syn-ack> xangua, ALSA is the hardware framework as well as userland
[22:42] <headkase314> hosoka, "gstreamer-properties" in a console lets you choose your audio system to use.
[22:42] <erUSUL> distant2: make it only readable by the owner of the file
[22:42] <_DGM_> distant2: then the only true safe way is to encrypt them. Trusting on userrights is not enough as it is easy for a hacker to completely circumvent these settings and read the raw data
[22:42] <coz_> luckybunny,  did you  hit alt+F  type in   xterm  then run   gnome-terminal from there as suggested?
[22:42] <luckybunny> coz_: found it, moved it, still no joy
[22:42] <hosoka> I am in terminal and see Alsamixer 1.0.22
[22:42] <kreeper> rabbitbunny: i cant i tried with windows minipe but it cant find my partitions, should i just reinstall it and use a file recovery program to get my files back?
[22:42] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: i didnt see anywhere to put in projects or clients , just to track time by activity
[22:43] <syn-ack> xangua, out of the box though, yes Ubuntu does use Pulseaudio by default so it would go GNOME>PULSE>ALSA
[22:43] <hosoka> have been upgraded to 1.0.23 and that does fix the sound but not happy with the output.
[22:43] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: No. reinstalling will delete your data. You need to be doing forensic recovery.
[22:43] <coz_> luckybunny,   were there errors when running   gnome-terminal   from xterm?
[22:43] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: Clients are activities...
[22:44] <kreeper> it wont work it doesn't show my c drive in the list
[22:44] <hosoka> I have HP620 and using HDA Intel soundcard with chip Intel G45 DEVCTG
[22:44] <syn-ack> kreeper, you don't have a C:\ drive in linux
[22:44] <coz_> luckybunny,  do you recal what you were doing prior to gnome terminal crashing?  installing?  uninstalling?   changing thing in terminal profile??
[22:44] <_DGM_> kreeper: but were your partitions ntfs? you should be booting an ubuntu live cd and looking at your harddrive through that
[22:44] <cfedde> How do I but 8.04 recovery mode w/o it trying to start networking?
[22:44] <distant2> erUSUL: would that work even when having the drive as external and accessing all its contents?
[22:44] <_DGM_> kreeper: when you insert the ubuntu disc pick "try ubuntu without change to my computer"
[22:44] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: You don't want minipe. google 'forensic file recovery', that's what you're trying to do.
[22:44] <luckybunny> I installed a load of things last night, and all was working fine when I went to bed
[22:45] <kreeper> ok brb
[22:45] <luckybunny> just today, I logged in and it's gone
[22:45] <_DGM_> Rabbitbunny: thats one step too far imo.. sounds like he hasnt even tried mounting in linux yet
[22:45] <coz_> luckybunny,  ok do you remembe the "load" of things you installed?
[22:45] <distant2> i don't know, this unrecognized security hole seems strange.
[22:45] <Rabbitbunny> _DGM_: ... You do know that he's got grub errors, and just suffered a power outage, right?
[22:45] <coz_> luckybunny,  several things...you could reset gnome to defaults or  create a new user account
[22:45] <headkase314> cfedde, holding shift at boot will give you a grub-menu, one of the options is recovery mode and you can boot to the console without networking I believe
[22:46] <coz_> luckybunny,  either way if this continues to happen then something is seriously wacked on that end
[22:46] <_DGM_> Rabbitbunny: no i didnt, but that doesnt mean he cant boot a live cd and try to mount his stuff anyway. The only thing i know of is a rare case with ext2 partitions becomming unreadable.. but we dont even know that for certain yet
[22:47] <cfedde> headkase314: thanks.
[22:47] <Rabbitbunny> _DGM_: This is true, but the outage kills I've seen all killed the drive within 15 minutes of powerup. data recovery > playing with LiveCD.
[22:47] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: no.... i had a good play with it but it wont work for me - no project management, client management or anything that i can see... thanks though
[22:47] <headkase314> cfedde, you're welcome, the recovery mode will only give you a console however there is an option to start X in a failsafe mode if I recall correctly..
[22:47] <luckybunny> update: xterm actually did the same thing
[22:47] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: Well, Hmm. So you need something a little more contracter freindly. I know I saw something for that...
[22:47] <coz_> luckybunny,  whoa
[22:47] <Rabbitbunny> _DGM_: Granted, opinion.
[22:48] <coz_> luckybunny,  mm  I am going to suggest resetting gnome to defaults
[22:48] <_DGM_> Rabbitbunny: not all i've seen. Either way, data recovery for linux partitions is expensive.. i'd rather try the free way first :)
[22:48] <cfedde> headkase314: I can handle command line mode i think.
[22:48] <BuckWild> I actually use the liveCD to recover windows files for people on a pretty regular basis
[22:48] <coz_> luckybunny,    if you want to do that let me know
[22:48] <luckybunny> yes please
[22:48] <Rabbitbunny> _DGM_: data recovery is free
[22:48] <cfedde> headkase314: and thanks again
[22:48] <BuckWild> because I don't feel like messing around in their messed up computers and trying to get stuff copied
[22:48] <headkase314> cfedde, excellect : irrsi is a good console irc client "sudo apt-get install irssi"
[22:48] <coz_> luckybunny,  ok copy and paste this next command alt+f2 and restart x
[22:48] <coz_> luckybunny,    sudo rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[22:49] <RainRain> this is a far out question but is there any way to have a tiny internet window open in a taskbar
[22:49] <RainRain> i mean just the same height as the taskbar
[22:49] <coz_> luckybunny,  if that doesnt work via alt+F2  you can hit ctrl+alt+F  log in and run that command    write it down first of course
[22:49] <cfedde> headkase314: exactly.. Personaly I like the white background themes.  irssi is the best.
[22:49] <BuckWild> RainRain, to what end?
[22:49]  * dreamtraveler zZzzZzZ
[22:49] <coz_> luckybunny,  rather  ctrl+alt+F1
[22:49] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: http://www.fanuriotimetracking.com/features.html
[22:49] <RainRain> to put a tiny iframe in it from a website
[22:49] <kreeper> rabbitbunny: do i have to find one in a debian package?
[22:49] <coz_> luckybunny,  if that does work   restart x and come back here
[22:50] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: ta
[22:50] <headkase314> cfedde, yup, have that in one of your virtual terminals for here and the other doing whatever it is you can't have networking to do.. ;)
[22:50] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: thanks but my budget is limited to freeware
[22:50] <BuckWild> I don't really know of a pre-configurable way, I would think it would be pretty easy to code that
[22:51] <thune3> distant2: physical-access = root-access . This is a well recognized security issue
[22:51] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: I suggest writing a gnome panel applet then.
[22:52] <BuckWild> yeah, I wouldn't even necessarily do it with a full web browser
[22:52] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: gnome panel applet ??? roughly what will that do?
[22:52] <BuckWild> just grab whatever you need from the server and display it in the applet
[22:52] <arnaud> yo
[22:53] <BuckWild> if you control the server side at all I'd make it a separately parseable thing
[22:53] <BuckWild> or just the string text that shows up in the applet
[22:53] <Rabbitbunny> RainRain: Anything. You have to write it.
[22:53] <RainRain> buckwild: sorry i was missing all that - thanks
[22:53] <arnaud> Hi all
[22:53] <RainRain> Rabbitbunny: will check it out
[22:53] <Oer> hi arnaud
[22:54] <luckybunny> nope... no dice
[22:54] <BuckWild> has anyone ever found a good way to replace having to have outlook open using linux?
[22:54] <Rabbitbunny> kreeper: http://foremost.sourceforge.net/
[22:54] <jgcampbell300> so what search engine do you guys find to be the best for finding tech instructions , manual , tutorials, etc for Ubuntu ? Google seems to send me to places i do not want to be these days
[22:54] <distant2> _DGM_: you said"Trusting on userrights is not enough as it is easy for a hacker to completely circumvent these settings and read the raw data"
[22:54] <BuckWild> my company has owa, but I hate having to have that browser open, and it doesn't notify me of meetings
[22:54] <distant2> _DGM_: does this apply to linux too?
[22:54] <distant2> _DGM_: or yo uwere just referring to windows systems?
[22:54] <_DGM_> distant2: yes. You say you take it into another computer. So i assumed its something like a mobile usb drive
[22:55] <_DGM_> distant2: correct?
[22:55] <xangua> BuckWild: outlook¿
[22:55] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: You'll have to learn to use better keywords. I can coach a little if there's something particular you're looking for.
[22:55] <coz_> BuckWild,   I am not sure what you mean...could you say again differently?
[22:55] <BuckWild> coz_, I want, very simply, something to check my outlook calendar, and to alert me of incoming email
[22:55] <BuckWild> coz_, I don't even care if I have to open owa to read the email
[22:56] <distant2> _DGM_: i don't see why you even use the word hacker, because as one said physical acces _is_ root access, so the person doesn't need to hack anything to access it, right?
[22:56] <nerdy_kid> how do i get a backtrace out of a program?  i compiled a program and set the release type to debug; but when it crashes all it says is "segmentation fault" and nothing else.
[22:56] <BuckWild> distant2, if you have data on a hard disk without encryption it can easily be read
[22:56] <jgcampbell300> well i have tried to look up how much ram it would take to run several things and i never find the information i am looking for ... for instance i just tryed to find how much ram is recommended to run ubuntu server 10.04 and samba4 as a PDC and got all kinds of windows information
[22:56] <BuckWild> distant2, if you have encryption on the other hand, little more difficult
[22:56] <_DGM_> distant2: no no wait a sec.. what is the drive you are talkign about? you have a harddrive or some sort.. which you take with you.. correct?
[22:56] <synvilla> hey people
[22:57] <synvilla> How do I rip music from CD to harddrive?
[22:57] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: Give me a moment to look around
[22:57] <Rabbitbunny> synvilla: Brasero
[22:57] <BuckWild> distant2, you could attempt to rely on the filesystem to provide you user only access, but that really only gets you so far, the data is still on disk, so it can still be read
[22:57] <coz_> synvilla,   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping
[22:57] <jgcampbell300> thank you
[22:57] <coz_> BuckWild,   I am not sure then    sorry
[22:58] <synvilla> brasero seems to be a burner though?
[22:58] <BuckWild> coz_, I tried evolution, but I don't know if the settings are off serverside or something, any combination of owa settings doesn't appear to work
[22:58] <synvilla> how do I use it the opposite way?
[22:58] <BuckWild> I want something that can just read the exchange server crap
[22:58] <savid> Does anyone know of an app that will monitor my windows and track the amount of time different windows are focused?
[22:58] <coz_> BuckWild,  eveolution would have been my suggestion but let me see if I can find something else
[22:58] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: "ubuntu 10.04 server minimum ram" First page has the answer. You won't find an answer for samba, as disk use will dramatically affect requirements.
[22:59] <luckybunny> coz_: I tried both twice now. Still no success
[22:59] <Rabbitbunny> synvilla: http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/06/burncopy-cddvd-discs-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[22:59] <bgiarrocco> Hey all - Is it possible to map a network server so that it looks like a local drive on my ubuntu machine?
[23:00] <jgcampbell300> i see ... so the short story is ... i am just going to have to load some things and find out if my hardware will run it
[23:00] <Rabbitbunny> bgiarrocco: Yes. sshfs if linux.
[23:00] <distant2> _DGM_: talking about the local drive, that can easily be removed form computer and plugged anywhere else ;)
[23:00] <nsouer> bgiarrocco, what kind of server?
[23:00] <distant2> s/form/from
[23:00] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: Yes.
[23:00] <bgiarrocco> some sort of linux/unix box -- not sure what... It would be accross VPN
[23:00] <Rabbitbunny> nsouer: What does it matter what process are running?
[23:00] <BuckWild> sshfs rocks
[23:01] <nsouer> Rabbitthunny, server as in platform not application
[23:01] <_DGM_> distant2: then its unsafe to not encrypt it. When somebody steals it's relatively easy to read any data on another sytem if its not encrypted. They can completely ignore userrights and everything. They dont even need to be root on their system to do that
[23:01] <nsouer> bgiarrocoo, nfs is your answer
[23:01] <coz_> luckybunny,   whoa  ...something is seriously wrong then
[23:01] <coz_> luckybunny,  did you create a new user account?
[23:01] <Rabbitbunny> nsouer: Oh, so you meant to ask what OS..
[23:01] <bgiarrocco> what's nfs -- do i need to get it from apt?
[23:01] <distant2> _DGM_: yep. it didn't really get to me before, i wonder why!
[23:02] <BuckWild> distant2, the rule is pretty simple, if you have really sensitive data, you pretty much have to encrypt it...preferably with strong non-dictionary passwords and the strongest encryption mechanism possible
[23:02] <distant2> i have to find an encryption software for win at the moment.
[23:02] <luckybunny> I created 3 in the past week (I share the laptop, and having been using Uuntu for the first time this eek)
[23:02] <luckybunny> week*
[23:02] <coz_> BuckWild,   is  evolution-exchange package installed?
[23:02] <nsouer> Rabbithunny, stop being pendantic, he/she knew what I was asking
[23:02] <Rabbitbunny> bgiarrocco: network file share.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[23:02] <Rabbitbunny> s/share/system/
[23:02] <nsouer> great information there
[23:03] <headkase314> bgiarrocco, Tutorial -> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-ubuntu.html
[23:03] <BuckWild> coz_, I had it installed at one point, is that the OWA one, or the one that tries to connect directly to exchange?  I've had both
[23:03] <_DGM_> distant2: if its really that important you will also need proper encryption software.. as it is also relatively easy to decrypt in some cases if they know what encryption is used.. and the type of it obviously
[23:03] <coz_> BuckWild,  I believe it is the one that tries to connect directly
[23:03] <BuckWild> coz_, I could get the exchange server email thing to work, but the calendar didn't
[23:03] <jgcampbell300> ok ... thank you ... you would not happen to know of any tools that would help me plan my network projects would you? I am trying to build a local domain at home and trying to figure out witch computers should have what roles to be the most effective
[23:03] <BuckWild> coz_, it said something about "Error opening calendar 'calendar'" or something when I tried to access it
[23:03] <bgiarrocco> thanks guys... how is that different from sshfs you talked about Rabbitbunny?
[23:03] <kreeper> what is ubuntu cloud best used for?
[23:03] <coz_> BuckWild,   check this out    http://motersho.com/blog/index.php/2010/05/14/howto-install-evolution-2-30-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[23:03] <BuckWild> bgiarrocco, NFS is unencrypted
[23:03] <kreeper> would it be good for a web server?
[23:04] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: I pretty much guessed until things stopped breaking. May want to consider some books.
[23:04] <distant2> _DGM_: is there any parameter for a better encryption (software) other than the number of bits-encryption?
[23:04] <BuckWild> distant2, http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads
[23:04] <bgiarrocco> ah ok -- I'd rather use sshfs then
[23:04] <bgiarrocco> or would it matter if its already across vpn?
[23:04] <jgcampbell300> lol ... i have sure been doing that ... I have reinstalled ubuntu on my 3 boxes im working with 3 times each today lol
[23:04] <BuckWild> bgiarrocco, doesn't really matter via VPN
[23:05] <_DGM_> distant2: since you're in #ubuntu, can i suggest just using the encrypt home dir feature?
[23:05] <bgiarrocco> great - thanks for the help!
[23:05] <headkase314> bgiarrocco, Howto -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[23:05] <BuckWild> bgiarrocco, SSHFS adds some encryption overhead, it's great for external networks, NFS is faster if encryption doesn't matter
[23:05] <luckybunny> coz_: Should I just insert the live disc and reinstall?
[23:05] <distant2> so there is a built-in feature for that.
[23:05] <BuckWild> coz_, thanks, I'll take a look
[23:06] <coz_> luckybunny,  if you dont have much to backup    I would  try that yes.... then if you want to install extra packages  ..and are not sure  if they are compatiable  ...come here first
[23:06] <jgcampbell300> well thanks for the info again ... im sure i will be seeing you guys later :)
[23:06] <coz_> BuckWild,  I am actually trying that  out now to see the difference
[23:06] <luckybunny> coz_: ok. Thanks
[23:06] <luckybunny> :)
[23:06] <Wormfall> Henkpoley: Do you remember me? I had the problem with my Ubuntu hibernating at bootup?
[23:07] <BuckWild> coz_, yeah, mapi, that's the one I used to get email working, it seemed pretty cool in that regard, now if only they could get calendaring working
[23:07] <coz_> luckybunny,  no problem... on this next install...just recall what you have installed later on in case it happens again...its a good idea to keep some sort of notes
[23:07] <henkpoley> Wormfall: hah, yeah. Again it's past midnight here :P
[23:07] <pil> hello everyone - I am on lucid ubuntu - sometimes my desktop freezes - especially when I am working in openoffice or in terminal, it automatically hightlights the text and I cannot get out of there no matter what I do -and from there on, everything freezes in my desktop - you think compiz triggers that because I have many compiz stuff working in the background.. anybody has any idea?
[23:07] <BuckWild> coz_, I don't know if I was running 2.28 or 2.30 tho
[23:07] <Wormfall> Henkpoley: I fixed the problem! turned out that I have to have my battery in my computer in order for ubuntu to boot up. I was running it straight through A/C power
[23:08] <coz_> BuckWild,  if its ubuntu lucid then it is the  2.28 I believe
[23:08] <BuckWild> pil, have you tried turning desktop effects off to see if it makes a difference?
[23:08] <Wormfall> Henkpoley: after i plugged my computer in and had the battery in, that fixed the problem. Using Ubuntu as we speak actually :)
[23:08] <distant2> _DGM_: wouldn't the built in encryption in ubuntu be weak?
[23:08] <henkpoley> Wormfall: but your computer did work using another OS ?
[23:08] <pil> BuckWild: honestly, I did not - I know it sounds stupid but I will now
[23:09] <distant2> BuckWild: i see that truecrypt is for entire disk encryption. i only need individual file enc.
[23:09] <_DGM_> distant2: i think its good enough really.. do you really think people will spend days trying to get your files ? are they really that important?
[23:09] <henkpoley> Wormfall: seems to me like your CMOS/PRAM was resetting while reading it, because of the missing battery
[23:09] <BuckWild> distant2, you can do either
[23:09] <Jordan_U> splnet: Any progress?
[23:09] <Wormfall> Henkpoley: yup windows booted normally.. I'm not sure if having your battery in is a requirement for ubuntu to boot? as in, it cna't boot off of a/c
[23:09] <_DGM_> distant2: are you storing secret cia information or something
[23:09] <nerdy_kid> how do i get a backtrace out of a program?
[23:09] <BuckWild> distant2, you can actually have a fully unencrypted drive, and use a file as an encrypted volume
[23:09] <Wormfall> Henkpoley: yea, but eitherway its fixed. Wanted to thank you for all your help!
[23:09] <pil> BuckWild: I thought maybe ithas the same problem like mine - the compiz thing was my idea of that problem thats why I said compiz
[23:09] <Rabbitbunny> nerdy_kid: use a debugger, like gdb.
[23:10] <discozohan> Hello! I am going to create software raid 10 with 4 hdd, and confused, what the values for "number of active devices" and "number of spare devices" ?
[23:10] <discozohan> 4 and 0 ?
[23:10] <distant2> _DGM_: not that much i believe. but data about other persons' stuff that's why, security info.
[23:10] <distant2> BuckWild: i... don't get it.
[23:10] <BuckWild> pil, turning it off would relieve any concern about that being the cause of the problem.  Personally, I've never had an experience with desktop effects causing freezes
[23:10] <Fagundes> anyone knows how to fix the dell inspiron 1525 webcam on ubuntu 10.4?
[23:10] <BuckWild> distant2, so if I have a hard drive that's mounted on /
[23:10] <pil> BuckWild: thanks so much..
[23:10] <BuckWild> distant2, I can make a file /something
[23:11] <distant2> _DGM_: does that home encrypt suggest multiple algos or is just a simple push button function?
[23:11] <_DGM_> distant2: then i'd recommend just using the encrypted home folder of ubuntu.. it will be good enough
[23:11] <BuckWild> distant2, and I can mount /something (the file) as a truecrypt encrypted drive
[23:11] <_DGM_> distant2: i dont know i've seen it in the setup when i installed 10 a while ago.. i have no need to encrypt my files so i didnt look at it
[23:11] <_DGM_> but i'm pretty sure its good enough :P
[23:12] <BuckWild> I wouldn't imagine that ubuntu would build in crappy home directory encryption, I'm sure it's using industry standard encryption mechanisms
[23:12] <BuckWild> I'm encrypting files other than my home directory :)
[23:13] <distant2> BuckWild: "create encrypted file container" is that it?
[23:13] <BuckWild> distant2, sounds about right
[23:13] <discozohan> Ping: is it ok to choose 4 active devices and 0 spare devices for software raid 10 ?
[23:14] <lov255> hello
[23:14] <distant2> BuckWild: yeah, i will test that out.
[23:14] <lov255> what is the dir /proc/modules ?
[23:14] <lov255> and do you happen to know why I can not get to it?
[23:14] <Rabbitbunny> lov255: /proc is a bad place to play.
[23:15] <lov255> ohhh
[23:15] <nerdy_kid> Rabbitbunny thanks :)
[23:15] <lov255> every time I try to sudo rmmod a .ko file it tells me that it can not find the module in /proc/modules
[23:15] <Rabbitbunny> nerdy_kid: np
[23:15] <cfedde> for some reason this 8.04 server wants to start networking in recovery mode.  and so it hangs about half way up.  Does anyone know a workaround?
[23:16] <lov255> Would that be because of the driver .c file before I compiled it?
[23:16] <lov255> <---is a noob
[23:16] <BuckWild> btw guys, I recently redid a lady I know's computer using Ubuntu (from windows xp) I had her bring all the peripherals she intended to use with it with her, and every single one of them worked fine
[23:16] <BuckWild> Ubuntu has come a long way in a short time
[23:17] <jgcampbell300> is there a way to find out what type of memory is in a computer from cli ?
[23:17] <BuckWild> I was really surprised when the printer/scanner fired up without a problem
[23:17] <Oer> BuckWild +1
[23:17] <jgcampbell300> like for instance find out if it is pc 2700 ecc etc
[23:18] <Oer> jgcampbell300, memorytype is hard to get, use sysinfo, it is not CLI
[23:18] <MorayJ> What make of printer/scanner was it?
[23:18] <lubun2> lov255, it means it's not loaded
[23:19] <benkevan> I'm getting http://pastebin.com/kdkWeFx6 .. xsessoins won't start.. but if I ssh -X to the box, x applications come up.. GDM / XDM won't come up (but I hear the noises) what gives?
[23:19] <jgcampbell300> ok thanks
[23:20] <JPeterson> I have a python program with  # -*- coding: latin-1 -*-, how do I get it to print "Häagen-Dazs" correctly in the terminal?
[23:20] <JPeterson> instead of replacing the ä with a ?
[23:20] <Marine_> Marine is gaming.  !gameinfo for more info.
[23:20] <JPeterson> ie the file has the 1-byte-peter-letter cp1252/latin-1 character set
[23:21] <JPeterson> but the linux terminal seems to have another character set in my case
[23:21] <JPeterson> is there something similar to the windows "chcp 1252" command?
[23:21] <holocene> anyone know when the 10.04 point release will be?
[23:21] <iggy_> hey guys i have a dlink wireless adapter and i was on alien arena and it froze i restarted my computer and now i lost wirelees
[23:23] <thune3> holocene: looks like any day now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-10.04.1
[23:24] <holocene> thune3, I hope so!
[23:25] <_DGM_> holocene: why? anything specific you need?
[23:25] <iggy_> hey guys i have a dlink wireless adapter and i was on alien arena and it froze i restarted my computer and now i lost wirelees
[23:26] <teunvD> iggy_ did you lose you wireless adapter, or your network?
[23:26] <teunvD> iggy_ is it still showing up on lshw?
[23:26] <_DGM_> iggy_: try sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[23:27] <iggy_> teunvd the network the adapter blinks and when i unplug it it says connection lost but the only way i can get internet is through ethernet and whats lshw
[23:27] <synvilla> I failed miserably :(
[23:27] <teunvD> iggy_ nvm my comment, try what _DGM_ said
[23:27] <_DGM_> iggy_: whats the output of that command
[23:28] <iggy_> it said no device found did iwconfig seen it was wlan1 and then it out put nothing
[23:28] <iggy_> when i changed sudo ifconfig wlan1 up
[23:28] <iggy_> should i reboot
[23:29] <_DGM_> iggy_: pastebin the output of ifconfig please
[23:29] <intrusion> does anyone know of any AVR cross compilers?
[23:29] <holocene> _DGM_, I wanted to install on another box but not from a cd that requires 250MB addl download
[23:30] <_DGM_> intrusion: avr gcc
[23:30] <iggy_> _DGM_, np http://pastebin.com/aaVA98cY thanks so much
[23:30] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: #AVR exists.
[23:30] <andyn> intrusion: avr-gcc?
[23:31] <intrusion> i tried that, but it still says it needs one. hmmm...
[23:31] <_DGM_> iggy_: ok try sudo dhclient
[23:31] <_DGM_> intrusion: be more specific please
[23:31] <BuckWild> coz_, that exchange stuff still isn't quite working, kind of a shame, at least it's come some way since I last looked at the problem
[23:31] <coz_> BuckWild,  oh man!  that's a shame
[23:32] <_DGM_> intrusion: the ubuntu package is named gcc-avr, but you also need avr-libc for it to work
[23:32] <BuckWild> coz_, I expect I'm not the only one who would like to rid themselves of outlook
[23:32] <coz_> BuckWild,   i cant think of another application to do this with MS exchange server
[23:32] <intrusion> i would if i could, i'm trying to configure avr libc, but when i run the code, it says it needs to be built with an avr corss compiler
[23:32] <andyn> _DGM_: funnily enough the package is gcc-avr but the binary is avr-gcc
[23:33] <_DGM_> andyn: yea i know :)
[23:33] <BuckWild> coz_, I tried something called DAVMail or something that was a daemon that actually worked as an intermediary between the exchange server and kind of turned the services that the exchange server provided into reasonable protocols (IMAP, CalendarDAV), but that wasn't quite working well either.  Not sure I'm sold on that as a solution either.
[23:33] <aeon-ltd> andyn: yeah probaably to avoid confusion as -avr could be a parameter
[23:33] <_DGM_> andyn: thats probably the naming convention of ubuntu. avr-something
[23:33] <_DGM_> woops gcc-something
[23:33] <andyn> yeah, since it's obviously a gcc extension or something
[23:33] <coz_> BuckWild,    go to ##linux channel ...they may have a solution that we are not aware of
[23:33] <_DGM_> iggy_: did that help anything?
[23:34] <coz_> BuckWild,  I am betting that opensuse may have applications that do this better  ....<< just a thought
[23:34] <BuckWild> coz_, yeah, not a bad thought
[23:35] <iggy_> im not sure let me reboot
[23:35] <iggy_> _DGM_,
[23:36] <_DGM_> iggy_: no, what was the output of dhclient ?
[23:37] <splnet> Jordan_U:  if you are still around.. I had to leave for the day. but it still didn't work. BUT... In partition manager there was an error with the partition. So I think I screwed up with gparted. This will have to wait until next week though
[23:37] <iggy__> _DGM_, it didnt work :(
[23:38] <_DGM_> iggy__: i needed the output of sudo dhclient :P
[23:38] <_DGM_> iggy__: please dont reboot just yet, because theres no need
[23:39] <tautos_priesas> server irc.ktu.lt
[23:39] <isakill> haha
[23:39] <Rabbitbunny> /connect must be too long.
[23:39] <holocene> what's the name of that lucid iso (maybe only 25MB) that allows you to boot and install over the network?
[23:39] <erUSUL> !minimal
[23:40] <iggy__> http://pastebin.com/rSyUh7BV _DGM_
[23:41] <Xase> Okay... so trying to fix overscan, anyone know -anything-?
[23:41] <jgcampbell300> ok i think i am getting confused about some terminology ... i am trying to set up a pdc dns and back up dns at my house ... would this be a local domain ... but i also want to setup a dyndns to link to my home net .. why am i getting so confused here ?
[23:41] <holocene> erUSUL, that did it .thanks
[23:41] <erUSUL> holocene: no problem
[23:41] <coz_> BuckWild,  did you try the ##linux channel yet?
[23:42] <Xase> /join #xorg
[23:42] <BuckWild> coz_, nah not yet, let me try that
[23:42] <hiexpo> IdleOne,  rvening
[23:42] <_DGM_> iggy__: hm i think you need to reconfigure the wireless settings. Have you tried doing so through the gui?
[23:42] <BuckWild> coz_, I apparently have to have a registered nick to go to that channel :)
[23:42] <coz_> BuckWild,  oh!   didnt realize that    sorry
[23:42] <_DGM_> BuckWild: just register yourself with nickserv
[23:43] <_DGM_> BuckWild: /msg nickserv help
[23:43] <DasEi> Xase: nvidia card ?
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> !register > BuckWild
[23:43] <coz_> BuckWild,  I suggest that channel... and I am sure there are others...because this particular issue is not common practice with general users :)
[23:43] <Wiesshund> jgcampbell300 what are you trying to set up? might help someone answer you better
[23:43] <Xase> DasEi, No.
[23:43] <iggy__> _DGM_, its a belkin d_link i had to use the windows wireless drivers and ndiswrapper
[23:43] <Xase> It's an intel 4500mhd
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: does the chip have no native driver?
[23:43] <DasEi> Xase: sorry then, don't know a tool for it
[23:43] <Xase> I know nvidia has an overscan feature.
[23:44] <BuckWild`> coz_, yeah I kind of figured :)
[23:44] <iggy__> ActionParsnip, i dont think so its the dwa-130
[23:44] <Xase> I don't need a tool, that isn't already included in Ubuntu.
[23:44] <hiexpo> coz_,  whats his prob > BuckWild`  that is ?
[23:44] <iggy__> ActionParsnip, if there is one please point me too it
[23:44] <Xase> I know there is a tool but I don't know how to use it.
[23:44] <BuckWild`> coz_, I'm actually running ubuntu on my work computer under virtualbox, it would be really cool to be able to fire up evolution or something on there and have it work instead of outlook, I bet it would actually save ram to do it that way too
[23:44] <jgcampbell300> ok ... my end goal is to have a samba4 server at my home ...
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: what is the output of: sudo lshw -C network    the make and model is moot
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: we only need the product line for the chip
[23:45] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: If you're running linux on everything, you don't want samba,
[23:45] <jgcampbell300> well i have been reading all day on this stuff and i am having a hard time describing exactly whats in my head lol
[23:45] <coz_> BuckWild`,  mmm another issue may be that it is running virtually.... you might want to check into that as well
[23:45] <BuckWild`> coz_, I'm not running it virtually here :)
[23:45] <jgcampbell300> well i am runing linux on everything but i need to learn to build a domain that uses mac and windows as well
[23:45] <BuckWild`> coz_, I'm at home right now
[23:45] <coz_> BuckWild`,  oh ok  sorry I misread :)
[23:46] <Aemaeth> i need a daleks voice for linux so it can be superior
[23:46] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: Oh, you're trying to use the lesser OSs... disregaurd then.
[23:46] <nerdy_kid> i have an input latency issue with pulseaudio, so that if i try recording anything i get stuttering.  is there any way i might be able to fix this?
[23:46] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, I think that windows might be able to use NFS if encryption isn't an issue
[23:46] <iggy__> ActionParsnip, _DGM_  here you go and thanks http://pastebin.com/wubsE9tE
[23:46] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, and I'm pretty sure that mac can too
[23:46] <jgcampbell300> ok let me step back a bit ...
[23:46] <janicko> is anybody here who would help me to get my wireless router woriking? it is recognized, but it is not able to get on internet.
[23:47] <jgcampbell300> let me describe excactly what i have and need to do
[23:47] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: one line, remember.
[23:47] <hiexpo> janicko,  what kinda router ?
[23:47] <jgcampbell300> i have 3 computers one 2g and the other two are 1gig
[23:47] <jgcampbell300> oh ya sorry
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: its a broadcom 43xx
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom | iggy__
[23:47] <coz_> janicko,  I am probably the biggest "doof" with networking issues on this channel :)
[23:47] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: Describe this a little more, You have connectivity via cat5, but not wireless?
[23:48] <BuckWild`> hiexpo, I'm trying to figure out a workable way to access calendar/email from an exchange server on linux
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: i think you got too bogged down with it being a dlink that you missed the smart bit
[23:48] <iggy__> no i bought the dlink wireless usb because the broadcom was such a pain in the ass to setup
[23:48] <BuckWild`> hiexpo, evolution works okay for email through the mapi plugin, but calendaring is another thing
[23:48] <janicko>  hiexpo: belkin F6D4230-4
[23:48] <hiexpo> BuckWild`, oh ok wrong guy here  lol
[23:49] <BuckWild`> I think I might end up just writing my own OWA google chrome extension
[23:49] <hiexpo> janicko,  is it pw protected?
[23:49] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: ok so i fixed my problem, it might have been because there was a space in the command :S
[23:49] <janicko> coz_: so you are the guy who i need then. I tryed second day and i just managed to get recognized router, but it still not working.
[23:49] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: thanks for your help
[23:49] <jgcampbell300> ok one 2g computer 2 1g computers ... i am trying to set up dns and back up dns on the 1/gs .. the big computer will run as a openchange server later on .... but i would like to set up a local domain at my house use dyndns to direct internet trafic to my house ... i am under the impresion i will need a pdc for this ... the pdc i think should be samba4 ... i think that is how it works but i just cant get this strait in my head
[23:49] <janicko> hiexpo: no it's not
[23:49] <Rabbitbunny> intrusion: That's nothing, yesterday I edited the wrong fil and complained loudly that the output wasn't changing.
[23:50] <coz_> janicko,  no I think you misunderstood me :)  I am the last person you want to deal with networking issues  ..honest
[23:50] <ubuntu> hi
[23:50] <ubuntu> can anyone here help me out... my X video is broken but the system boots into KDE.   I want to re-install the NVidia drivers in a command-line environment.  How do I start Maverick in command-line mode?
[23:50] <intrusion> Rabbitbunny: the joys of linux
[23:50] <hiexpo> janicko,  so you can connect to it wireless but no internet?
[23:50] <Xase> OVERSCAN help please. 720p Panasonic tc-p42c2
[23:50] <Rabbitbunny> jgcampbell300: Note that most residential ISPs will block your ports if you host.   Preferably a local solution not web based.
[23:51] <nerdy_kid> anyone know how to workaround this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/558813
[23:51] <Roey> erUSUL: thanks
[23:51] <coz_> ok break time... I am hungry :)  be back in a bit
[23:51] <DasEi> ubuntu: wron chan here, sudo service gdm stop
[23:51] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: i have connectivity on wire but when i try on wireless it is not woriking, even if it saying that there is connection
[23:51] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, are you trying to run some kind of company from your house or something?  that seems like quite a complicated home network you're attempting to create there :)
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: the chip has a native driver, installable with the hardware driver item in system hardware
[23:51] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: Check encryption.
[23:51] <DasEi> janicko: throughput sufficient on wired meanwhile ?
[23:52] <Scunizi> isakill: even the web based versions you can run locally on a machine setup with apache..
[23:52] <jgcampbell300> well not really ... but i am trying to learn how to set a net up for that use
[23:52] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, PDC if I'm correct is a windows NT type of terminology, is there some reason you really need a "domain", because that seems like something Microsoft only shops tend to function with
[23:52] <Wiesshund> jgcampbell300 do you really need to run samba sharing from your home? not exactly clear on what your trying to attempt completely?
[23:52] <hiexpo> hey DasEi
[23:52] <Rabbitbunny> isakill: Might be a good resource for you  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=818907   don't stop homeschooling
[23:52] <iggy__> ActionParsnip, are you talking about broadcom cause i tried everything i asked here read tons of forums and couldnt get broadcom to work but now i bought dlink besides its better connection
[23:53] <DasEi> löle hiexpo
[23:53] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: what is that?
[23:53] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: WEP, WPA, WPA2
[23:53] <janicko> DasEi: yes
[23:53] <hiexpo> DasEi,  lole
[23:53] <DasEi> janicko: fixed interfaces file, too ?
[23:54] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: I dealt with this quite commonly when I was doing tech 1. I bet you've got the wrong password entered.
[23:54] <isakill> Scunizi, not really, because they are all subscription based.  Rabbitbunny I'll look at that link
[23:54] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, samba is also typically used as a file sharing technique (I think it might share printers too, etc.) but I'm confused by the terminology you are using, the east thing for me would be to try to understand how linux fits into this picture
[23:54] <tsLight> Any idea what package I need to install gcc "backward compatible headers"? (now deprecated, such as iostream.h).  I need it to compile an old project.
[23:54] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: i am not able to get it cose i don't know them
[23:54] <jgcampbell300> I need the windows side of things just for the knolage and some friends that come over ... the most important thing here is that i learn how to make this model work properly ... this is mainly for my own benefit so i can reproduce working environment in a office setting if i need to
[23:54] <BuckWild`> s/east/easiest/;
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> iggy__: if ndiswrapper works then i'd stick with it, 43xx normally uses the firmware cutter
[23:54] <thune3> nerdy_kid: i don't have a solution, you *already* have a workaround
[23:54] <Scunizi> isakill: I was thinking of the gpl versions of software for schools.. calendaring, grades, testing etc..
[23:54] <andyn> every time i try playing a video with totem my xubuntu lucid system crashes with blank screen, switching to text console doesn't work and after reboot xorg log says "Failed to submit batchbuffer: Input/output error". how should i start hunting down the problem?
[23:55] <hiexpo> !xubuntu
[23:55] <DasEi> !wireless | janicko
[23:55] <isakill> like edline?  you have to buy stuff like that
[23:55] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: i didn't put any password
[23:55] <jgcampbell300> ok ... i use ubuntu on everything at home ... my servers is where i dont have enouf knolage ...
[23:55] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: Hey look, we found your problem.
[23:55] <DasEi> janicko: first tell us which chip
[23:55] <Roey> DasEi: thanks for the service stop command; the thing is I need to boot to command-line mode to fix the NVidia drivers (nothbing to do with Maverick).
[23:55] <jgcampbell300> my brother and family use windows kuz they will not learn something new and better
[23:55] <janicko> DasEi: been there, done that, didn't help
[23:55] <nerdy_kid> thune3 i meant can i workaround the bug in pulse's config files?  like is there a line i can edit or would it require recompiling to fix it?
[23:55] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, trying to reproduce a windows domain type network in a home environment will probably run you quite a bit in licensing fees, besides, I'm still convinced that nobody really knows how to run a windows domain, none of the network people I've ever bumped into really have any idea how any of that works
[23:55] <Wiesshund> jgcampbell300 what is knolage?
[23:56] <DasEi> Roey: just ask
[23:56] <iggy__> ActionParsnip, yeah it was working i played alien arena it froze i shutdown and turned on only to find the connections were lost in the task bar the dlink usb is still blinking like it works and when i unplug it it says connection lost but i cant get wirless internet
[23:56] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: and what is solution?
[23:56] <jgcampbell300> i have found a few very interesting sites if you would like them
[23:56] <unique> if i want file.txt to be shared between two users what permission do i give? chmod or chown?
[23:56] <Guest79615> wifi problems, can't ping anything but have ip from comcast router via dhcp, on dell with broadcom-sta driver, how to troubleshoot from here?  ethernet connection to same router works
[23:56] <jgcampbell300> one tells you exactly how to set the samba4 up to be a pdc
[23:56] <Roey> DasEi: OK, how do I boot into the command-line mode?
[23:56] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: Figure out how to enter the password.
[23:57] <BuckWild`> jgcampbell300, if you want to be able to do windows filesharing, samba will do that for you.  If you're looking to share files across linux, windows and mac, I think SSHFS works in a lot of cases (you can use an SFTP client on windows), I hate SAMBA personally because of how slow it is, and I have no idea if it works on mac
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> BuckWild`: you should come to our lpace, most people here are MCP
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> BuckWild`: samba is a lot faster than sshfs dude
[23:58] <Wiesshund> samba is going to run slow as snot piped across the internet on a dsl or cable connection
[23:58] <jgcampbell300> ahh
[23:58] <DasEi> Roey: first you need kernel-headers and build essential, too, then it is a good idea to first remove old driver, then ..
[23:58] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: but have no idea how to get password
[23:58] <Rabbitbunny> ActionParsnip: I'd like to see evidence of this.
[23:58] <BuckWild`> ActionParsnip, transfer wise, probably, no encryption overhead, however, latency is horrible in SAMBA
[23:58] <jgcampbell300> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1499753 is that link btw ... very detailed
[23:58] <BuckWild`> ActionParsnip, NFS is faster than SAMBA
[23:58] <Rabbitbunny> janicko: It's your router... If you didn't set it, try the default password.
[23:58] <tsLight> Any idea what package I need to install gcc "backward compatible headers"? (now deprecated, such as iostream.h).  I need it to compile an old project.
[23:58] <ilyekkakai> how do I select my freepulse bluetooth headphones as the sound output device in lucid? I can't find any way to do it. You used to be able to just go to sound prefs and select it in intrepid... what happened? How do I select it now?
[23:58] <Roey> DasEi: I can fix the driver fine, I just need to boot to a command line to do it
[23:59] <BuckWild`> I like the "use anywhere" nature of a SSHFS connection
[23:59] <erUSUL> !find iostream.h
[23:59] <DasEi> Roey: sudo service gdm stop will log you off, install the new driver, reboot, and again run nvidia-xconfig , and restart gdm
[23:59] <janicko> Rabbitbunny: so no help here?
[23:59] <djonesuk> this must be some previous unheard of definition of "use anywhere" that I wasn't aware of
[23:59] <jgcampbell300> hmm ... i am thinking i should take a break for a while ... been reading all day ... this will problaby be much clearer in the monring :)
[23:59] <DasEi> Roey: sudo service gdm stop is what you want then


[13:53] <jrwren> good morning openssl
[14:15] <rick_h_> party
[15:15] <cmaloney> Good morning
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> hey
[15:35] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: what about ssl?
[15:35] <jrwren> moar vulns
[15:52] <cmaloney> Yeah, now that people are looking at openssl and not taking it for granted we're getting more vuln reports.
[15:53] <cmaloney> Though are these in the "regen your certs" category?
[15:53] <cmaloney> I didn't think so
[16:00] <jrwren> not sure. one is a MITM vuln, but not sure if that leaks a private key or not
[16:04] <mrgoodcat> http://shrturl.co/MhCOZ
[16:04] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/v9V3OP - Apple to Open Source OS X Mavericks After The Release of Yosemite
[16:05] <cmaloney> Um, where in that article does it even mention Open source, releasing source, or anything source?
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:06] <mrgoodcat> http://shrturl.co/
[16:06] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/imfmzq - SHRTURL - Faking the web since 1942
[16:06] <cmaloney> Or has TechCrunch hit a new way to drive clicks to their site
[16:06] <cmaloney> Lovely.
[16:06] <cmaloney> Remind me to smack you in the near future.
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> saw it on hacker news and i had to
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> :)
[16:07] <cmaloney> No, no you didn't.
[16:08] <jrwren> its linkbate.
[16:08] <jrwren> bait
[16:08] <mrgoodcat> i could have changed the picture and the article
[16:08] <jrwren> its fail.
[16:08] <jrwren> we need a bot to warn us of the link is gigaom or techcrunch
[16:08] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: http://shrturl.co/
[16:08] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/imfmzq - SHRTURL - Faking the web since 1942
[16:08] <cmaloney> gigaom doesn't irritate nearly as much as techCrunch
[16:09] <cmaloney> At least gigaom makes long-term bullshit predictions
[16:09] <cmaloney> TechCrunch makes short-term bullshit-stirring bullshit.
[16:09] <mrgoodcat> jrwren: were you referring to the CCS vuln?
[16:09] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: no
[16:10] <jrwren> mrgoodcat: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140605.txt
[16:10] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/g7yIRU - text/plain; charset=UTF-8
[16:10] <mrgoodcat> yea thats the same one
[16:11] <mrgoodcat> here's a good article about it http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html
[16:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/Me0eFx - How I discovered CCS Injection Vulnerability (CVE-2014-0224) - CCS Injection
[16:12] <mrgoodcat> just..... why?...... http://opalrb.org/
[16:12] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/sdRqk - Opal: Ruby to Javascript Compiler
[16:19] <cmaloney> I love when folks come over to my cube and look at my screens and say that this is "old school" development. :)
[16:20] <mrgoodcat> what, vim?
[16:20] <cmaloney> Just in general
[16:20] <cmaloney> Not sure what they expected
[16:20] <cmaloney> Some Geoerge Jetson setup or something
[16:21] <cmaloney> Though they didn't know what a Timex Sinclair 1000 was
[16:21]  * cmaloney has one at his desk
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> lol
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> does it still work?
[16:22] <mrgoodcat> they only made those for like one year
[16:25] <cmaloney> Huh? I think you're thinking of the ZX80
[16:25] <cmaloney> That was pretty short-lived until the ZX81 came out
[16:25] <cmaloney> and those lasted for quite some time
[16:25] <cmaloney> 'bout 3-5 years iirc.
[16:26] <cmaloney> And yeah, it still works. Thing was built like a tank.
[16:26] <mrgoodcat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timex_Sinclair_1000
[16:26] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/F5U5 - Timex Sinclair 1000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[16:26] <mrgoodcat> released in 82
[16:26] <mrgoodcat> discontinued in 83
[16:27] <cmaloney> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX81
[16:27] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/fpTTs - ZX81 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[16:27] <cmaloney> 1981 - 1984
[16:27] <cmaloney> Had a shorter run in the states
[17:31] <cmaloney> .np squeekyhoho
[17:31] <bookiebot> squeekyhoho's current track - I've Sold Your Organs On the Black Market to Finance the Purchase of a Used Minivan by Everything Goes Cold on Vs. General Failure
[17:36] <greg-g> good title
[17:37] <cmaloney> Good song.
[17:37] <cmaloney> Also a reminder why I have never enabled "show what I'm currently playing" at work. :)
[17:38] <cmaloney> 47 songs with the F-bomb in the title alone.
[17:40] <greg-g> "at work" as in "on my work IM account"?
[17:59] <cmaloney> Yeah
[17:59] <jrwren> hahaha.
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> why is java so suck?
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> i keep typing python methods
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> and it doesn't compile
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> and i'm all FUUUUUUU
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> simply reading a file line by line should be simpler than this
[20:25] <mrgoodcat> but NOOOOO
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> you have to make a FactoryFactory to make a FileReaderFactory to make a FileReader to pass into a BufferedReader that you got from your BufferedReaderFactory
[20:26] <mrgoodcat> who seriously fucking thinks of this shit?
[20:31] <brousch__> factory workers
[20:32] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:32] <mrgoodcat> java must be a union job
[20:38] <waf> didn't java just release a much better file api?
[20:39] <brousch__> waf: Don't try to quell the Java rage
[20:41] <waf> ah yeah, Files.readAllLines to get a list of lines, and if line-by-line is important, use Scanner.nextLine
[20:47] <waf> the trick with java is to ignore every search result from 2011 or so and before.
[20:48] <waf> another trick is not to use it.


[03:43] <polan> hi
[05:12] <7GHAADSF4> when I first installed ubuntu-mate it was running amazing now just a couple of months later I'm having issues with speed
[05:41] <alkisg> 7GHAADSF4: what cpu model? grep model /proc/cpuinfo
[05:44] <7GHAADSF4> it is a dell 2120
[05:45] <alkisg> That's not a cpu
[05:46] <alkisg> If it's atom n550, that's extremely slow, 523 passmark score: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+N550+%40+1.50GHz&id=622
[05:47] <alkisg> Recent CPUs have 6000+ score there, so it's 10 times slower than a recent i3
[06:14] <nakamu> I have a question, does Mate 18.04 still have guest sessions like in 16.04?
[12:41] <dipender> qq
[12:41] <diogenes_> hi
[12:43] <bas-nl> Hi there, anyone here who's got ubuntu-mate working on the new raspberry pi 3B+ ?  (released on pi-day :-)
[12:44] <diogenes_> again PIs
[12:45] <bas-nl> Working SD card on a 3B, doesn't boot beyond the rainbow screen on a 3B+
[14:25] <usrshv> HI! sudo /usr/bin/update-manager - it will do work correctly? It is just like as: start a Software Updater as simple user and then, enter the root password in GUI dialogue?
[14:39] <usrshv> Good Bye!
[15:13] <dg_> good morning I get a statement when trying to update Ubuntu Mate on a 64 bit . Waiting for unatended upgrade. It stays like that for a long time
[15:35] <cyzhang> hi?
[15:37] <cyzhang> Can you hear me?
[15:38] <diogenes_> yes
[15:38] <diogenes_> you voice is cracking
[15:39] <cyzhang> Thank you :)
[15:53] <mate|40481> Hi, I have a lttle question, is someone using ubuntu mate beta as daily driver? I know that this is a beta and can have bugs but in the virtual machine seems very stable, only some little issue
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> U-mate=L 17.10 64,W=windows xp pro 32 ru. At me so: when I come in L at me time shows for 3 hours less. After a few seconds, the ntp server sets the correct time. What I have: W + L, when I start at L time in the BIOS of the motherboard is set to the wrong time which is set to L (it is necessary to go into the BIOS and set the correct time). If I set the correct time in BIOS and go to W time, it is shown in W to be
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> correct and does not change in BIOS. In Windows, the time is synchronized once a week and the first information about the time is taken from Bios, if it is in the wrong bios then W shows the wrong time until it is synchronized in a week with ntp. What I did: changed the battery on the board, did not help, set the regional settings in L in the date and time section, chose the country and the city, did not help.
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> У меня так: когда я захожу в L у меня время показывает на 3 часа меньше. Через несколько секунд ntp сервер устанавливает правильное время. Что я имею: W+L, когда я запускаю в L время в биос материнской платы устанавливается на неправильное
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> время которое установлено в L  (необходимо зайти в BIOS и выставить правильное время). Если я устанавливаю правильное время в биос и захожу в W время показывается в W правильное и в биос не меняется. В Windows время синхронизируется раз в нед
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> елю и первая информацыя о времени берйтся с Bios, если оно в биос не правильное то и W показывает неправильное время пока не сенхронизируется через неделю с ntp. Что я сделал: поменял батарейку на плате, не помогло, выставил региональные
[19:10] <q3e545t67uir6y> настройки в L в разделе дата и время, выбрал страну и город, не помогло.
[19:11] <q3e545t67uir6y> Time Moscow
[19:12] <q3e545t67uir6y> you need a motherboard name?
[19:15] <q3e545t67uir6y> come=start
[19:18] <q3e545t67uir6y> bios last from 2015 FM2 +
[19:30] <jorian> Hello, I'm running the beta and accessing the desktop via x2go.  However, when running certain programs (vscode or firefox) I seem to be getting locks in x2go.  In particular, this is reproducible when I go to the download page for the ublock extension.  The sshd process spikes the cpu in the vm and the x2go session becomes unresponsive until I kill firefox from a second ssh connection.
[19:30] <jorian> any tips on logs to check or troubleshooting to do for this?
[20:07] <jean-michel> hy
[20:09] <alkisg> jorian: wouldn't that be a question for the x2go developers, and not for #ubuntu-mate?
[20:09] <alkisg> jorian: I think x2go-server isn't even in the ubuntu repositories...
[20:10] <jorian> akisg: It's available in the ubuntu-mate software boutique.  I agree it's most likely on their end.  I've asked there as well.  Just asking here too in case anyone has ran into it.  I've not had this issue with fedora.
[21:02] <alkisg> Heh, I was wondering why I didn't have the boutique; it's now snap-based, so I got rid of it when I removed snapd
[21:03] <alkisg> I wonder if debian would be more suitable for me nowadays; I end up uninstalling all the ubuntu-specific bits of mate...
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> hwclock из util-linux 2.30.1
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> Trying to open: /dev/rtc0
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> Using the rtc interface to the clock.
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> Подразумевается, что аппаратные часы выставлены по UTC времени.
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> Ожидается тиканье часов...
[22:06] <q3e545t67uir6o> ...получено тиканье часов
[22:11] <q3e545t67uir6o> Drone bot?
[22:12] <q3e545t67uir6o> 99% Drone bot.