[00:00] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[00:00] <jono> jcastro, we still need the rest of the existing badges finishing
[00:00] <jono> jcastro, marcoceppi also, can you guys take a few mins to decide which trophies should depend on others and update them
[00:01] <jono> right now 65 scripts or so are being run every time
[00:01] <jono> I am sure we can trim this down to only run the next logical set of scripts
[00:02] <jcastro> cjohnston: some day my friend. someday.
[00:02] <cjohnston> hehe
[00:02] <cjohnston> i know that would be a goal for you
[00:02] <pleia2> I will get the one for created 20 wiki pages (darn team reports)
[00:02] <pleia2> :P
[00:03] <cjohnston> not created
[00:14] <jcastro> paging pleia2
[00:14] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/107982618909749811163/posts/BCxkP4aupM4
[00:15] <jono> jcastro, did you see my messages above?
[00:15] <jono> can we get these final bits fixed up?
[00:15] <jcastro> yeah we can probably do that
[00:16] <jono> jcastro, the priority is getting the dependencies in place
[00:16] <jono> but they should be pretty accurate...we don't want to be in a position where someone might get a badge if they havent got the badge it depends on
[00:16] <jono> so I think it will require a bit of careful thinking
[00:17] <jono> I figured you and marcoceppi can probably map it out to a chart or something and then make the changes
[00:17] <jcastro> someone already wrote the deps down somewhere
[00:17] <jcastro> one sec
[00:17] <jono> jcastro, oh sweet
[00:17] <jcastro> we can't be the first people to do this
[00:17] <jono> indeed
[00:17] <jcastro> hah dude
[00:17] <jcastro> the same post we are using for the categories
[00:18] <jcastro> http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/68259/150182
[00:18] <jcastro> the ones with /
[00:18] <jcastro> Popular Question / Notable Question / Famous Question
[00:18] <jcastro> the one on the left is needed, to get the middle, and then the last one
[00:19] <jono> oh nice!
[00:19] <jcastro> Nice Question / Good Question / Great Question
[00:19] <jcastro> and so on
[00:19] <jono> jcastro, ok, I will go and make these changes
[00:19] <jono> thanks jcastro
[00:19] <jono> if you can just help get the final docs sorted, we should be good
[00:19] <jcastro> 15 relationships
[00:52] <jono> jcastro, ok, I added all remaining deps
[00:53] <jono> and a bunch of trophy icon fixes too
[00:53] <jcastro> <-- in the middle of something for house stuff
[00:53] <jcastro> i'll have to finish mine off later tonight or tomorrow
[00:54] <bkerensa> jono: you got a second?
[00:55] <jono> bkerensa, sure
[00:55] <jono> jcastro, cool
[00:57] <bkerensa> jcastro: so I will have space at our booth at OSCON for any Juju material you want to get to attendees
[00:57] <bkerensa> just a heads up
[02:13] <bkerensa> popey: Do you know anyone who wants to go to LeWeb in London? I got a 50% discount code but obviously I don't live there so :P
[02:22] <pleia2> jcastro: wow, those are brilliant
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:24] <hobgoblin> good morning
[07:24] <dpm> hey dholbach :)
[07:25] <dpm> morning hobgoblin and all
[07:25] <dholbach> dpm, did you see those precise-proposed fixes? :)
[07:25] <dpm> yeah, just saw them this morning :)
[07:26] <dpm> I need to test them and then talk to pitti about getting the p-d-e fix into Precise too
[08:24] <nigelb> Hey dholbach, dpm :)
[08:24] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:24] <nigelb> dholbach: How've you been?
[08:25] <dholbach> good good - how about you? :)
[08:25] <dpm> hey nigelb, long time no speak! :)
[08:25] <nigelb> dholbach: Pretty good! Moving countries soonish. So, sort of busy with that.
[08:25] <nigelb> dpm: Yeah! Glad to talk to you guys after a while :)
[08:25] <dholbach> oh yeah? where are you moving to?
[08:25] <nigelb> New Zealand :)
[08:26] <nigelb> (if things go well, and I get the visa and all that)
[08:26] <cjohnston> He is moving to NZ to start working on Summit again dholbach
[08:26] <nigelb> haha
[08:26] <dpm> oh wow
[08:26] <dholbach> wow
[08:26] <nigelb> I'm moving to NZ to work for Mozilla :)
[08:26] <dholbach> nice :)
[08:26] <dpm> awesome!
[08:26] <nigelb> cjohnston: What surgery were you talking about on FB?
[08:27] <cjohnston> I had surgery yesterday morning
[08:27] <dpm> nigelb, what are you going to be working on?
[08:27] <dpm> i.e. can we bribe you to fix bugs? ;)
[08:27] <nigelb> dpm: I'll be working with their webdev team. Building community websites. Similar to what I did for Ubuntu as a volunteer.
[08:27] <nigelb> Haha.
[08:28] <dpm> excellent, a perfect match
[08:28] <nigelb> I can fix UI bugs :D
[08:28] <nigelb> (on firefox)
[08:28] <dpm> :-)
[08:29] <dpm> when are you starting?
[08:29] <nigelb> Well, thre isn't a definite date yet. Because there isn't a definitive date for the visa.
[08:29] <dpm> oh, yeah, the joys of getting a visa :/
[08:30] <dpm> nigelb, in any case, congrats for the new job, I'm sure you'll be awesome at it :)
[08:36] <dholbach> yes, all the best
[08:41] <hobgoblin> nice one nigelb
[08:52] <nigelb> dpm, dholbach - thanks!
[08:52] <nigelb> hobgoblin! haven't seen you around in a while :)
[08:53] <hobgoblin> nigelb: I am always about somewhere - just need to look for daft nicks :)
[08:54] <nigelb> hobgoblin: Hah. I know you have this one and forestpixie and some variations of those :D
[08:54] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:21] <AlanBell> nigelb: cool, congratulations!
[12:42] <dpm> ok, top 10 app downloads post published, could someone help upvoting http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ulzfp/top_10_ubuntu_app_downloads_for_may_2012_ubuntu/ - thanks!
[13:06] <nigelb> AlanBell: Thanks! :)
[14:51] <jcastro> balloons: hey I have to step out for 15 minutes and finish up this hadoop thing
[14:51] <jcastro> can you mention to jono that I'm running a bit late, but I'd like to go last in IRC.
[14:51] <balloons> jcastro, no problem :-)
[14:59] <jono> dpm, dholbach, mhall119, jcastro, balloons all set>?
[14:59] <dholbach> yes
[15:00] <dpm> yep
[15:00] <balloons> yep
[15:00] <balloons> jono,  jcastro needs to go last
[15:00] <jono> ok
[15:00] <jono> #startmeeting
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[15:01] <jono> welcome, one and all, to the community team meeting!
[15:01] <jono> prepare for a rambunctious range of rambling reports, from our various horsemen
[15:01] <jono> first up, fighting the good fight for apps in Ubuntu...dpm!
[15:01]  * dholbach whinnies
[15:02] <jono> whinnies?
[15:02] <dpm> ok, here I go
[15:02] <dholbach> horses whinny, no?
[15:02] <mhall119> nay
[15:02] <dholbach> did I get my vocabulary wrong again?
[15:02] <jono> lol
[15:02]  * dpm lols
[15:02] <mhall119> even if you got it right, it would still be so wrong
[15:03] <dholbach> guys, where's your sense of humour?
[15:03] <jono> "<mhall119> even if you got it right, it would still be so wrong" - story of my life
[15:03] <dholbach> you take this metal thing much too seriously
[15:03] <sense> here
[15:03] <jono> meanwhile...back at the point...dpm!
[15:03]  * dpm stops to have a tea...
[15:03] <dpm> ok, here I go...
[15:03] <dpm> App Developers
[15:04] <dpm> - Re-reviewed blueprints so that they were ready by timeline reset
[15:04] <dpm> - Published top 10 app downloads for May blog post
[15:04] <dpm> - Worked with mhall119 to create an e-mail template to contact upstream app authors
[15:04] <dpm> - Created a wiki page with guidelines and instructions on how to contribute to adding new apps to the list wanted apps
[15:05] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevelopers/GettingUpstreamApps
[15:05] <dpm> - Researched and created a document to assess the work required to open source MyApps
[15:05] <dpm> - Catch up app developers call with jono, mhall119 and dholbach
[15:05] <dpm> - Had a chat with didrocks and tested his Quickly HTML5 app template
[15:06] <dpm> - Had another chat with mterry about the SRU Quickly fixes, landed now on -proposed
[15:06] <dpm>
[15:06] <dpm> Translators
[15:06] <dpm>
[15:07] <dpm> - Created a new TranslationsDeadline page after deciding to merge the two deadlines of previous releases into one
[15:07] <dpm> - Talked to jam from the blue squad about opening translations for Q
[15:08] <dpm> this is blocked on the squad working on other critical stuff
[15:08] <dpm> I should have an update on this next week
[15:08] <dpm> And I believe that was me for this week's update
[15:09] <jono> any questions for dpm?
[15:10] <jono> alrighty!
[15:10] <jono> next up...another force in the app dev journey...mhall119!
[15:10] <mhall119> \o/
[15:10] <mhall119> [Accomplishments]
[15:10] <mhall119> * Created multiple accomplishments for LTP events
[15:11] <mhall119> including participation in global jams and ubuntu hours
[15:11] <mhall119> * Created accomplishment for attending a UDS
[15:11] <mhall119> [Juju]
[15:11] <mhall119> * Finished Django app for charming django projects
[15:11] <mhall119> and blogged about  it
[15:12] <mhall119> [Unity]
[15:12] <mhall119> * Sent desktop team info about adding Global Menu support to Java/Swing apps
[15:12] <mhall119> [App Developers]
[15:12] <mhall119> * Drafted an email template with dpm to send to app developers encouraging them to submit their apps to USC
[15:12] <mhall119> * Created a table showing out current programming language coverage in our developer documentation
[15:12] <mhall119> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AofbdH5hl5CbdEFBS0lLalh4RU1abTI5QXVkMjhMRFE#gid=3
[15:12] <mhall119> should be public
[15:12] <mhall119> [Ubuntu TV]
[15:13] <mhall119> * bobweaver has created a live CD of the CES demo code, and will be working on ways to make regular live CDs of the new code once it's written
[15:13] <mhall119> [Summit]
[15:13] <mhall119> * Remote-participated in the Linaro Connect session about future Summit plans
[15:13] <mhall119> that's all for me, any questions?
[15:14] <jono> any questions for mhall119?
[15:15] <jono> alrighty!
[15:16] <jono> ...and now, continuing the theme, a man devoted to making sure that apps can be packaged quickly, easily, and effectively on Ubuntu...dholbach
[15:16] <jono> !!!!!!
[15:16] <jono> :-)
[15:16] <dholbach> :)
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev initiatives: announced first bug fixing initiative, had 4 people contributing already.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Advisory Team: D-A-T meeting. Reached out to lots of new contributors.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Dev News: reorganised templates.
[15:16] <dholbach> ☺ Sponsoring: did a bit of sponsoring myself, reminded everyone to do more sponsoring, we had 103 items in the queue, now 64. Blogged about it too.
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Docs: prepare for upload to quantal, Andrew uploaded it, let's say what the archive admins say. :)
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Dev Infrastructure: fixed a bug in upload stats generation scripts.
[15:17] <dholbach> ☺ Apps: started work on https://launchpad.net/apps-brancher - check out the list of bugs to find out the current state of it. Once the logging and pushing is implemented, we can deploy and announce it. Packaged pkgme, uploaded to quantal and with the archive admins now, also published as daily build. Completed test-run of ARB apps through pkgme, wrote and sent report. Had a catch-up call with james_w to find out about the future
[15:17] <dholbach> of pkgme. Filed some bug reports and sent merge proposals for pkgme.
[15:17] <dholbach> So as you can see, most of my time I spent on apps, and I'm VERY HAPPY with where we're going.
[15:17] <dholbach> That's all.
[15:19] <jono> any questions for dholbach?
[15:19] <jono> alrighty!
[15:20] <jono> next up, a gentleman who will be assuring testing and quality in 12.10...a man whose work is essential for Ubuntu, balloons!
[15:20] <balloons> :-)
[15:20] <balloons> here we go
[15:20] <balloons> * Alpha One Testing! As a precursor to this week's testing, we focused on checking out the daily iso's to see if they passed the basic install cases. This week has been testing for the actual alpha one milestone, expected to release June 7th.
[15:21] <balloons> * Met with Dave Murphy about possibilities for HEXR and a community hardware database. He demonstrated HEXR and we discussed some of the features we would require as a community database.
[15:21] <balloons> * Met with popey to discuss checkbox testing for the upcoming cycle
[15:22] <balloons> * Worked with Leann and kernel team to prep 12.10 kernel on 12.04 testing
[15:22] <balloons> * Tweaked packages qatracker with stgraber to enable 'calls for testing' support; setup tests for kernel testing
[15:23] <balloons> * Held progress meeting on qatracker with team
[15:23] <balloons> * Reviewed testcases on testcase wiki used for iso testing; cleaned up and removed old testcases
[15:23] <balloons> * Started work on setting up my own dev instance of qatracker; jcastro and friends at HP cloud might let me migrate to a real 'box' :-)
[15:24] <balloons> * Modified python iso metrics script using qatracker API to grab iso testing information for quantal
[15:24] <balloons> * Did a juju demo of my VIVO charm (needs a couple small tweaks to get into the store)
[15:24] <balloons> I think that is it ;-)
[15:24] <jono> thanks, balloons, any question for balloons?!
[15:24] <AlanBell>  . . . and applied for Ubuntu Membership I believe
[15:25] <jono> alrighty!
[15:26] <jono> next up, a man who could charm the crap out of  an old boot...jcastro!
[15:26] <jcastro> Welcome to my Amazing Weekly Report.
[15:26] <jcastro> (Note: Report will just be normal, Jorge overuses the word amazing.)
[15:26] <jcastro> Soundtrack for the week: Pink Floyd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4G7QJAkcg8#t=2m
[15:26]  * jono shocked
[15:26] <jono> lol
[15:26] <jcastro> ## DONE:
[15:26] <jcastro> - Final prep for OSCON
[15:26] <jcastro> - Shipping out juju flyers to all our events
[15:26] <jcastro> - Moved from spreadsheet based charm tracking to launchpad. (Easy, just took time)
[15:27] <jcastro> - Created patch pilot calendar and all that noise, we're now a smooth sailing ship: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2012/05/30/measuring-incoming-contributions/
[15:27] <jcastro> - Proposed free HP Cloud for ubuntu developers and collected people interested. Looking forward to seeing what people do with the free resources.
[15:27] <jcastro> ## DOING:
[15:27] <jcastro> - Hadoop blog post with mims, this is our first real scale test of juju, so really excited to share that with people.
[15:27] <jcastro> - Charm school plan for fall strata
[15:27] <jcastro> - 2 juju webinars this thursday with Mark Baker
[15:27] <jcastro> - Charm store queue almost to manageable levels, hopefully this week.
[15:27] <jcastro> - Start next work items for making "charm create" not suck
[15:27] <jcastro> - LXC/juju doc fixup.
[15:27] <jcastro> ##Other
[15:27] <jcastro> - Here's all my stuff on one page: http://strapello.com/user/jorgecastro
[15:27] <jcastro> - And here's my burndown: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/jorge.html
[15:27] <jcastro> - Everyone should read this article, it explains why some people like to go raw (like on Amazon), and why some people need a full PaaS, it describes exactly where juju needs to be: http://rdegges.com/heroku-isnt-for-idiots
[15:27] <jcastro> also, I'm on holiday on friday
[15:28] <jcastro> that's all I got!
[15:28] <jcastro> QUESTIONS?!
[15:29] <balloons> is dark side of the moon really your favorite pink floyd albulm?
[15:30] <jcastro> No, The Wall.
[15:30] <jono> any questions for jcastro?
[15:30] <jono> ok
[15:30] <jono> I am next up
[15:31] <jono>  * Team:
[15:31] <jono>   * Started working in earnest on burndown items.
[15:31] <jono>   * Restarting our normal weekly calls after the post-UDS crazyness and blueprint documentation.
[15:31] <jono>  * App Devs:
[15:31] <jono>   * Humble Indie Bundle was released:
[15:31] <jono>    - Ran some press around this; reached out to journalists to spread the word. It has done really well in downloads and interest.
[15:31] <jono>    - Responded to user feedback and queries.
[15:31] <jono>    - Worked with the consumer apps team around some technical kinks.
[15:31] <jono>    - Built further strategy for further HIB content.
[15:31] <jono>    - Worked with dpm around an app dev competition which we will launch soon, with some awesome prizes!
[15:31] <jono>   * Worked with legal and engineering around how we can deliver flash games in Ubuntu better.
[15:32] <jono>   * Unblocked an RT ticket to get Disqus comments on developer.ubuntu.com
[15:32] <jono>  * QA:
[15:32] <jono>   * Putting plans in place with balloons milestone testing. We have a clear goal: *every* mandatory test for *every* ISO is run *before* a milestone ships.
[15:32]  * jono watches balloons shudder a little
[15:32] <jono>   * Fleshed out 12.10 kernel testing on 12.04 with balloons and Leann. Looking good.
[15:32] <jono>  * Travel:
[15:32] <jono>   * Finalized OSCON and Community Leadership Summit plans in July. Getting travel booked.
[15:32]  * balloons shudders a lot
[15:32] <jono>   * Reviewed some event speaker invitations.
[15:32] <jono>  * Ubuntu Accomplishments:
[15:32] <jono>   * Worked with the community to get Ask Ubuntu badges in Ubuntu Accomplishments. They are now all in, most of which have docs, and all with tests.
[15:33] <jono>  * help with the final docs is needed! see - http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/3282/lets-integrate-ask-ubuntu-badges-with-the-operating-system/3283
[15:33] <jono>   * Ported battery to a Quickly project, fixed it for the 0.2 accomplishment schema, and packaged it ready for the 0.2 release.
[15:33] <jono>   * Ported server validation code to the 0.2 schema format and fixed some bugs. Still an odd bug in share acceptance, but will fix that soon.
[15:33] <jono>   * Set up Ask Ubuntu feature in the app to make it easy for users to post questions tagged correctly about Ubuntu Accomplishments.
[15:33] <jono>   * Worked with IS to define a forums API to support forums accomplishments.
[15:33] <jono>  * Improved various wiki docs
[15:33] <jono>   * 0.2 is released this week!
[15:34] <jono>  * Other:
[15:34] <jono>   * Did a few interviews.
[15:34] <jono>   * Wrote up a blog post about Gamification In Community for Black Duck.
[15:34] <jono>  * Grilled and Smoked my first ribs.
[15:34] <jono> any questions?
[15:34] <jcastro> more info on disqus?
[15:34] <jcastro> like, will we be able to use it on all properties?
[15:35] <mhall119> are you talking to any of the forums folks about the API?  Also, once there is an API, we can use it for Unity lenses/scopes
[15:35] <jono> jcastro, I suspect so
[15:35] <jono> it will be deployed to d.u.c this week
[15:35]  * jcastro nods
[15:35] <jono> they did a security assessment
[15:35] <jcastro> oh ok, excellent
[15:35] <jono> mhall119, IS are reviewing if they can do the work
[15:36] <mhall119> ok
[15:36] <jono> mhall119, I have asked for a simple web service
[15:36] <jono> but they are naturally super-paranoid about not giving out personal info
[15:36] <jono> the data we have requested is not personal though
[15:36] <mhall119> understandable
[15:36] <jono> and already exposed mostly on the forums
[15:36] <mhall119> will it allow searching the forum posts?
[15:36] <dpm> jcastro, https://portal.admin.canonical.com/50775
[15:36] <jono> mhall119, it will show number of posts for a user
[15:37] <jono> but now allow searching for specific posts
[15:37] <jono> not
[15:37] <mhall119> would that be possible?
[15:37] <jono> don't know
[15:37] <mhall119> there was a desire to add a forums scope into the Help lens
[15:37] <jono> you will have to talk to IS
[15:37] <jcastro> ;_; so close
[15:37] <mhall119> ok
[15:37] <jono> mhall119, I don't see why it would not be possible
[15:38] <jono> any other topics for discussion?
[15:39] <jono> ok
[15:39] <jono> lets wrap it!
[15:39] <jono> thanks, folks!
[15:39] <jcastro> WRAP!
[15:39] <jono> #endmeeting
[15:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun  5 15:39:21 2012 UTC.
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-06-05-15.00.moin.txt
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-community-team/2012/ubuntu-community-team.2012-06-05-15.00.html
[15:39] <dholbach> yeehaw :)
[15:39] <jcastro> jono: unrelated question
[15:39] <jcastro> jono: I'm picking up a Blue microphone for G+, etc ...
[15:39] <jono> jcastro, sure
[15:39] <jcastro> you recommend $brand microphone stands
[15:39] <jcastro> fill in the blank ^^
[15:40] <snap-l> $brand = "not stepping on"
[15:40] <jono> jcastro, tbh, it doesn't really matter, just get a sturdy one - pay over $40 and you will get a good one
[15:40] <jono> you might want to look itno a tabletop one if you are sat down
[15:40] <jcastro> indeed
[15:40] <jcastro> k, I was just wondering if there was some epic metal one everyone lusts after
[15:40] <jono> jcastro, bkerensa ok, so I am going to do my Reddit AMA today
[15:40] <jcastro> SO I CAN OWN IT
[15:40] <jono> at 10am Pacific
[15:40] <jono> can you guys help?
[15:41] <snap-l> jcastro: Just head to Guitar Center
[15:41] <snap-l> or Musicians Friend
[15:41] <jcastro> jono: count me in
[15:41] <jcastro> I need to get this hadoop one done
[15:41] <snap-l> They have them on sale usually 6 days out of the week
[15:41] <jcastro> which I am doing now
[15:41] <jono> thanks, man
[15:41] <jcastro> snap-l: excellent, when I come back we'll go together! :)
[15:42] <snap-l> I think when I ordered my XLR mic on Musicians Friend, the mic stand was something like $15 - $20
[15:42] <snap-l> I think rick_h has it now
[15:42] <snap-l> or it's in the garage or something. ;)
[15:42] <jono> jcastro, btw, I went in and fixed all the categories in the AU accoms
[15:43] <snap-l> Blue mic comes with one.
[15:43] <jono> so if someone adds an old cat, I can fix it no problem
[15:43] <jono> jcastro, marcoceppi any chance you could have one final push on the AU docs?
[15:43] <jono> dpm, around?
[15:44] <dpm> jono, yeah
[15:44] <jono> dpm, can we do a quick G+?
[15:44] <jono> also mhall119, you too
[15:44] <jono> :-)
[15:44] <dpm> sure, just a sec
[15:44] <mhall119> sure
[15:45] <jono> dholbach, you too :-)
[15:45] <jono> invite sent
[15:45] <dholbach> sure
[15:45] <dpm> jono, would you mind resending the invite?
[15:45] <dpm> it tells me server error
[15:46] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/f71e46a2bc85e54fed19527144d28151b81333ac?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:46] <dpm> thanks
[15:57] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[15:57] <jcastro> I could use some upvotes there
[15:58] <jcastro> bkerensa: I could use a hand spreading that ^^^
[15:59] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/um87e/scaling_a_2000node_hadoop_cluster_on_ec2ubuntu/
[15:59] <jcastro> upboats there too pls
[16:07] <mhall119> 1/w 38
[16:07] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow! :)
[16:08] <balloons> bye dholbach !
[16:08] <dholbach> bye my friends :)
[16:08] <jcastro> only 3 upvoates! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[16:09] <jcastro> come on people, daddy needs to eat tonight!! it's just an openid
[16:46] <jono> jcastro, bkerensa, mhall119 ok, I am going to do my reddit AMA in 15mins
[16:46] <jono> should I post it now?
[16:47] <AlanBell> reddit based jono baiting, sounds fun to me :)
[16:47] <jono> lol
[16:48] <nigelb> hahah
[16:48] <jcastro> jono: post it when you're going to do it
[16:48] <jcastro> because once it's on the site the questions come in
[16:48] <jono> jcastro, ok, I will do it now
[16:49] <jcastro> if you wait 15 minutes without responding people will think you bailed
[16:49] <jono> on the main AMA page right?
[16:49] <jcastro> yeah, unless you wanted to do it on the subreddit
[16:49] <jcastro> but let's go big or go home!
[16:49] <jono> main one
[16:49] <jono> one sec
[16:49] <jono> posting now
[16:50] <jcastro> jono: ok when you post link it here
[16:50] <jcastro> and then tweet it
[16:50] <jono> jcastro, http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/
[16:50] <jcastro> and I'll handle the rest.
[16:50] <AlanBell> Canonicalk? typo or something I don't understand?
[16:51] <AlanBell> must be a typo. Good word though, should mean something.
[16:51] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/umay8/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/
[16:52] <jcastro> I need upvotes on this please!
[16:52] <jcastro> to get the cross traffic
[16:52] <jono> AlanBell, fixed
[16:54] <jcastro> jono: ok, questions coming in
[16:55] <jcastro> jono: when you are done do an "EDIT: ok everyone, thanks for all the questions!" so they know when you're done.
[16:55] <jcastro> or something like that
[17:06] <jono> thanks jcastro
[17:54] <jcastro> hah
[17:54] <jcastro> my favorite unity comment
[17:54] <jcastro> "is near unusable for a lot of power users who do heavy development work and constantly need to switch applications"
[17:55] <jcastro> uhhh, alt tab and alt-` combined with the application switching is basically<PHONE_NUMBER>8 times better  now than it used to be.
[17:56] <jussi> jcastro: strange, I find the alt-tab behaviour in unity annoying - but then Im used to what kde has
[17:56] <jcastro> it's the cat's meow to me
[17:56] <jcastro> jono: hmm, your top 5 bands has some surprises to me
[17:57] <jono> out of questions
[17:57] <jono> :-)
[17:57] <jussi> jcastro: I really like this: http://thinkmoult.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008-12-11-185616_1280x800_scrot.png
[17:57] <not_found> silly question... why reddit?
[17:57] <jono> not_found, seems like a good place to do it
[17:58] <not_found> ok
[17:58] <jcastro> jussi: that looks too complicated to me
[18:01] <jussi> jcastro: fair enough - see this little video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J51CAi_Fzbs (without the top bar)
[18:11] <mhall119> 1/w 38/w 38
[18:13] <mhall119> jcastro: I hate window switching on every other platform now
[18:14] <mhall119> every time I hit alt+2 and it doesn't take me to my email, I cry inside
[18:14] <mhall119> super+2, sorry
[18:14] <bkerensa> jono: I left u one
[18:14] <bkerensa> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/c4wmwwi
[18:18] <AlanBell> alt-tab was been fixed quite a lot in 12.04 late in the dev cycle, but I find alt-double tab doesn't do the right thing
[18:22] <mhall119> doubl tab?
[18:22] <AlanBell> yeah, I want it to take me to the window (not app) that had focus second to last
[18:23] <AlanBell> but I will accept that the target audience does not keep a full mental map of the z-order of more than two windows
[18:26] <mhall119> ah, I see, I never went more than one window back
[18:35] <snap-l> I think you one-windowers need to use DOS for a while
[18:35] <snap-l> Multiple overlapping windows = big deal
[18:55] <jono> wow, this person is a piece of work: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/c4wmo6a
[18:56] <pleia2> ^^ why we don't move Ask Mark to reddit ;)
[18:57] <jono> pleia2, I think it would make sense
[18:57] <pleia2> it's a hostile, abusive place (try using a female nick there, it's loads of fun)
[18:57] <pleia2> much better to keep things at home where we are safe :)
[18:58] <bkerensa> I think lots of women use reddit
[18:58] <bkerensa> pleia2: the lady who fixed the UWN perl script for instance :)
[18:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: and lots of women play video games too, in spite of fatuglyorslutty.com, doesn't mean it's pleasant
[19:00] <bkerensa> pleia2: heh as a gamer I can say surely that plenty of women pwn me :)
[19:00] <snap-l> pleia2: so, is that link SFW? :)
[19:00] <pleia2> have to have a thicker skin than I to participate though
[19:00] <bkerensa> snap-l: not much
[19:00] <pleia2> snap-l: no, it's comments from women who game, they are nsfw
[19:00] <pleia2> er, comments that women who game *get* and then share
[19:01] <snap-l> Lovely.
[19:01] <snap-l> I'm not sure which is worse: Youtube comments, or comments in video games
[19:01] <bkerensa> idk... I think likely games
[19:02] <snap-l> bkerensa: you had to think about it. :)
[19:02] <jcastro> popey: which esata card did you get for your micro?
[19:02] <pleia2> or comments on reddit ;)
[19:02] <bkerensa> snap-l: I try not to read youtube comments though
[19:02] <bkerensa> :D
[19:02] <bkerensa> pleia2: yeah but reddit is purely for the lulz with a little dash of seriousness here and there
[19:02] <bkerensa> :P
[19:03]  * bkerensa mostly is on /r/politics /r/ubuntu /r/linux which stays mostly calm :)
[19:03] <pleia2> yeah, it's not very fun
[19:03] <snap-l> Most of the time I find reddit comments on-par with most other sites
[19:03] <snap-l> but I don't follow a lot of charged discussions either
[19:03] <bkerensa> ^ winning
[19:04] <jcastro> the absolute worst have to be either youtube or facebook
[19:09] <AlanBell> I am astonished at how faily people are on facebook when it is all in front of their family and friends
[19:09] <nigelb> youtube wins. *anyday*
[19:10] <snap-l> youtube comments are just cruel and mean
[19:10] <snap-l> They're like the public toilet of the Internet
[19:11] <jcastro> we have more pressing problems
[19:11] <jcastro> http://mashable.com/2012/06/05/nickelbacking/
[19:11] <jcastro> this is basically my worst nightmare
[19:12] <snap-l> You sure creeding wouldn't be up there?
[19:12] <jcastro> Well, Mark Tremonti is a good guitar player though
[19:12] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I think 90% of people on FB just don't care about their fail
[19:13] <jcastro> so this is infinitely worse.
[19:13] <bkerensa> Twitter can be bad too
[19:13] <snap-l> jcastro: You know what would be my worst nightmare? locked in a room with creed / nickelback playing, and no way to shut it off
[19:13] <bkerensa> ASUS had an epic fail on Twitter the other day with their sexist tweet
[19:14] <snap-l> bkerensa: correction: some PR firm for Asus. ;)
[19:14] <snap-l> I'd be very surprised if Asus was manning their tweet-stream
[19:14] <bkerensa> snap-l: yeah where were they presenting?
[19:15] <bkerensa> snap-l: PR firms are ruthless =/
[19:16] <popey> jcastro: it came with the external array
[19:16] <snap-l> bkerensa: Just goes to show, there's no such thing as bad publicity.
[19:16] <popey> 02:00.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller (rev 01)
[19:17] <popey> ^^ might be that jcastro
[19:17] <jcastro> k
[19:18] <popey> jono: you know that message you just posted on facebook about humble bundle
[19:18] <jono> grabbing lunch, and then will look into more questions
[19:18] <popey> jono: limbo (one of the games) isn't native
[19:18] <jono> popey, which one?
[19:18] <popey> jono: it's shipped with wine
[19:18] <jono> popey, whatever
[19:18] <popey> hah
[19:18] <popey> ookay
[19:18] <jono> it runs on Ubuntu natively :-)
[19:19] <popey> yes boss
[19:19] <jono> it might be in wine, but it still runs on our platform :-)
[19:20] <snap-l> Title: Ubuntu Store is just a front for Windows Games!
[19:20] <bkerensa> jono: there is a petition on reddit asking Humble Bundle to only ship native games ;)
[19:20] <bkerensa> snap-l: +1
[19:20] <snap-l> Jono Bacon condones this evil practice!
[19:20] <jono> lol
[19:20] <popey> sorry, just realised that was an old post i was looking at
[19:21] <jono> bkerensa, I saw that
[19:21] <jono> I think people are missing the point
[19:21] <bkerensa> btw that EA guy was so wrong.... SIMS 3 does not run with Wine :( despite what even wine-hq says
[19:25] <AlanBell> bkerensa: yes, I am aware of the asus thing, there was an Ubuntu community member who's tweet about it was quoted in the Huffington post article and as a result of that she received a barage of tweets calling her an ugly whore
[19:26] <bkerensa> AlanBell:  =/
[19:26] <bkerensa> thats not good
[19:26] <AlanBell> indeed not
[19:27] <snap-l> I don't understand that
[19:42] <marcoceppi> AlanBell: classy.
[19:49]  * technoviking facepalms
[19:51] <technoviking> a group of junior high schooler took a tour of my office, one saw my office and yelled out "I love Ubuntu" :D
[19:56] <Pici> nice
[19:57] <mhall119> wine is native
[19:57] <snap-l> mhall119: Wine is not native
[19:57] <czajkowski> I tend to direct all wine related questions to YokoZar
[19:58] <snap-l> it's a fragile compatability layer
[19:58] <mhall119> snap-l: it's compiled natively for Linux, thus wine is a native library
[20:00] <snap-l> It's a clever way to run Windows-native code, but it is not native
[20:00] <snap-l> it's a handful of tricks to make a Windows program think it's running native
[20:00] <snap-l> and it is prone to break
[20:01] <snap-l> which is why I ran TaxAct in a VM this tax season instead of via Wine.
[20:01] <mhall119> so are lots of portability libraries
[20:01] <mhall119> do you consider all portabile libraries to be non-native?
[20:01] <snap-l> and why I have to run Civilization 4 in a VM instead of Wine
[20:01] <mhall119> or just the ones that are for APIs that weren't originally designed to be portable?
[20:01] <jcastro> we should keep arguing about it
[20:01] <jcastro> because it's important
[20:02]  * jcastro tries not to make fun of you two.
[20:02] <mhall119> +1
[20:02] <mhall119> more arguing
[20:02] <mhall119> but only native arguing
[20:02] <snap-l> WEll, I get irritated when someone says Wine is native
[20:02] <mhall119> no arguing with wine
[20:02] <mhall119> beer only
[20:02] <snap-l> because Windows is not designed for portability
[20:03] <snap-l> Mono / Java I'd consider Mono / Java code.
[20:03] <snap-l> They're designed for a VM that can run portably
[20:03] <mhall119> how about Mesa?
[20:04] <mhall119> glibc?
[20:04] <snap-l> need more context
[20:04] <snap-l> You mean the Open GL stuff?
[20:04] <mhall119> yeah
[20:04] <snap-l> If there's a compilation to binary code, I'd consider that native
[20:05] <technoviking> could Unity be re-code to run in Wine :) BWHAHAHA!!!
[20:05] <mhall119> unless the compiled binary calls compiled binary functions in wine
[20:05] <snap-l> if Wine is used at a library level to provide compatability for Windows code to run on Linux, then I'd say it's native
[20:05] <mhall119> that's *all* wine does
[20:06] <AlanBell> it is, which is why windows x86 binaries won't run on ARM under wine
[20:06] <AlanBell> a theoretical windows ARM binary would though
[20:07] <snap-l> I still feel Wine is an incredibly fragile hack
[20:07] <mhall119> so?  we have lots of incredibly fragile hacks that we still call "native"
[20:07]  * AlanBell feels the unity top bar shadow is an incredibly fragile hack
[20:07] <mhall119> and in all fairness, Limbo runs on my Ubuntu laptop better than it does on my wife's Windows 7 laptop
[20:08] <snap-l> I still prefer Windows to not be a part of my enjoyment of my OS. :)
[20:08] <snap-l> I'm no mono hater, though.  It's just cleverly concealed from the fact that it's running under Linux.
[20:10] <snap-l> Which I'm fine with. :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> ah I think I'll go back to my holiday mode :)
[20:10] <czajkowski> bye bye irc :)
[20:10] <daker-cloud> czajkowski: how can i delete a BP ? => https://blueprints.launchpad.net/loco-team-portal/+spec/currency-as-variable-passowrd
[20:11] <snap-l> czajkowski: In holiday mode, you can still hear the pissing contests of geeks on the net. ;)
[20:13] <mhall119> popey: I'm absolutely *loving* the battery life on this x220
[20:15] <popey> good innit? ☺
[20:18] <mhall119> I'd almost forgotten than laptops were meant to be mobile
[20:19]  * snap-l feels he has to disagree with mhall119, just on principle. ;)
[20:21] <mhall119> snap-l: you can't disagree with this battery life, it's a proven fact
[20:22] <snap-l> It counteracts my made-up laws oof physics or something
[20:58] <mhall119> popey: single mouse button, space wallpaper, how could I resist?
[21:11] <balloons> mhall119, forgot laptops were intended to be mobile.. I know the feeling
[21:12] <balloons> after a few hours use and with the battery still at 70% I still feel almost compelled to plugin
[21:31] <jono> jcastro, around?
[22:20] <daker-cloud> does anyone have an answer https://plus.google.com/101694416703170881163/posts/D6cC4aKBUoQ ?
[22:25]  * IdleOne guesses American English and the rest of the world who does it correctly
[23:39] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/umyk2/help_earn_the_humble_indie_bundle_more_money/ upvote for the humble indie bundle!
[23:41] <daker-cloud> mhall119: http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/06/help-earn-the-humble-indie-bundle-more-money/#comment-25143
[23:44] <mhall119> daker-cloud: like it or not, Facebook is still where the vast, vast majority of people are


[16:58] <vicky45> i'm trying to install ubuntu studio 20.1 in 4 gb ram which is giving notification "the system does not have enough working memory. At least 4gb is required". Is there any way to install?
[16:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> vicky45: That was changed before the beta, you need to download a more recent version. Check https://ubuntustudio.org/download
[17:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> vicky45: That said, less than 4GB of RAM isn't enough to run many of the applications included. Using less than 4GB of RAM is highly discouraged.
[17:00] <vicky45> I downloaded the image yesterday only. Is the restriction changed today?
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> vicky45: It changed before the beta release. Let me double-check to make sure that got pushed.
[17:03] <vicky45> "ubuntustudio-20.10-beta-dvd-amd64.iso" is the file name which is downloaded yesterday.
[17:04] <oerheks> 20.1 = 20.04.1 or 20.10 ?
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> vicky45: The requirement was lowered to 2GB 7 days ago. I'm in a meeting right now, but I'll check on this as soon as possible. You might also try downloading a daily image at https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd
[17:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> *17 days ago\
[17:07] <vicky45> 20.10, kernel version : 5.8.0-20
[17:10] <vicky45> Thanks for the reply Elickmeye, I will download it tomorrow and check anyhow due to this I would know the support option in Ubuntu. :):)
[17:23] <vicky3> is there any command option to skip first installation step in calamares??? Asking just for curiosity.
[20:52] <Kraus> I'm curious, was there some recent Ubuntu update that started screwing with nameserver IPs? or something to do with nameserver resolve?
[20:58] <Kraus> What happens at <IP_ADDRESS>?
[20:58] <corrinado[m]> I'm assuming you're on a 20.04 base?
[20:58] <corrinado[m]> I haven't seen anything like that from the 20.04 updates
[20:59] <Kraus> Yes, 20.04
[21:00] <Kraus> Both my workstation and server's resolv.conf are pointing to <IP_ADDRESS> and I'm not able to resolve LAN hostnames. "ping: (or ssh): hostname: Temporary failure in name resolution"
[21:00] <corrinado[m]> Port 53 is typically DNS. But I'd expect that to be written as <IP_ADDRESS>:53
[21:02] <Kraus> What's weirder is this seems to have started sometime during the night(?). I was able to SSH just fine at least a day or two ago.
[21:03] <corrinado[m]> Using DHCP from your router?  Have you tried to reset it?  I've found that some consumer-grade devices will fall down with DHCP occasionally.
[21:05] <Kraus> Reset the router, no change. Rebooted both computers with the issue, no change. Changed the nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS> (the router) which fixed the problem until the computer reboot, then it reset the nameserver to <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:06] <Kraus> So.. how can I find out what's going on at <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:07] <Kraus> Wait a minute.
[21:07] <Kraus> ....
[21:09] <Kraus> Nope, okay. I changed resolv.conf to read `nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>:53` to see if that would also fix it, and it didn't work.
[21:10] <Kraus> Unless I have to restart a service
[21:11] <Kraus> (which apparently I don't, because when I switched it to <IP_ADDRESS> it fixed it instantly)
[21:17] <Kraus> Yeah, looking at my history, I can determine I last successfully resolved hostname through ssh about 2-3 days ago. So... something happened on both my machines since then that is now preventing this.
[21:17] <oerheks> yes, until you reboot..
[21:17] <oerheks> use  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail >> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1012641/dns-set-to-systemds-127-0-0-53-how-to-change-permanently
[21:17] <Kraus> Right, I saw that thread.
[21:17] <Kraus> The question is, why did this suddenly start happening in the first place?
[21:18] <Kraus> A botched update?
[21:20] <Kraus> Because the only thing I've done on my server is run updates, It has to be an update.
[21:27] <Kraus> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1244860/dns-issues-after-upgrading-to-20-04
[22:26] <guiverc> FYI: only, I just saw https://askubuntu.com/questions/1283513/ubuntu-studio-20-10-require-4gb-ram (it doesn't need an answer!) where user says 2GB is acceptable [via https://ubuntustudio.org/download/] but *groovy* won't install in it (reports 4GB needed)..  This maybe known (site due to change on groovy's release), but posted here as FYI in case it's not in your plan already
[22:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc: It appears to have been an issue in the beta, apparently the change I made didn't make it in time for freeze. If one were to upgrade calamares-settings-ubuntustudio on the beta, that would be fixed.
[22:29] <guiverc> thanks Eickmeyer[m] :)
[22:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc: That or I totally botched it. Looking at the changelog, that apparently didn't make it.
[22:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc: Apparently I did the change but forgot to upload to the archive. *facepalm*
[22:33] <guiverc> it was caught !! that's what matters!
[23:06] <guiverc2> if you need bug filed (sru etc), I'll do it & can report back to OP on askubu; maybe the user will feel connected/contrib-wise?; one less (petty) task for you Eickmeyer maybe
[23:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc2: Shouldn't, need an SRU since it's not released yet. The release team just needs to sign-off on it. The diff is tiny tiny tiny. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/501916238/calamares-settings-ubuntu_1%3A20.10.9_1%3A20.10.10.diff.gz
[23:08] <guiverc2> :)  even better
[23:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> guiverc2: You can feel free to report that it was an oversight that should be fixed in the daily builds within 48 hours.
[23:11] <guiverc2> it was reported by tester on askubu, I followed up here, you've put fix in motion.. no need for more
[23:12]  * guiverc2 suspects lp stats & bug fixes on lp won't matter to you
[23:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, not really.


[00:45] <Saad> Hey, there's anyone running 17+?
[00:45] <Saad> There's no /etc/rc.local anymore?
[00:58] <leftyfb> How can I block all broadcast traffic from a particular vlan? My setup is an interface with 2 tagged vlans but only 1 configured for use. I'd like to block all the ARP and UDP traffic on the unused vlan
[05:59] <netham46> Any way to run a headless XDMCP server in a VM?
[06:00] <netham46> End goal is to have 3 or 4 crappy PCs act as thin clients on the same network as the VM.
[06:01] <netham46> End-end goal is to get a PXE boot going where they boot and just connect over XDMCP to it.
[06:11] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:49] <OpenTokix> Saad: There is none, but if you make it - it will get run
[10:07] <cfnc> Hello guys. Sorry for the question, I made a big mistake. I disabled sudo group to use sudo command from /etc/sudoers but I've never setted a root password.... How can I recover the system without reinstalling the whole os? Could I chroot into the system and change root password?
[10:07] <cpaelzer> cfnc: yes if you can boot from something else (usb/cd) then you can chroot in
[10:08] <cfnc> cpaelzer: I'm going to try...
[10:08] <cpaelzer> cfnc: if you have no other setup that prevents you to mount your disk (encryption, complex multipath/raid/...) then you can also boot  into bash directly
[10:09] <cpaelzer> cfnc: see https://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[10:17] <cfnc> cpaelzer: okay I chrooted into system and I changed the password for root user. Thank you ;)
[10:57] <ccha> hello I have an OUT OF DISK SPACE when I run apt update. But there are more than 7Gb free for /var and 3% inode use
[10:58] <ccha> I don't understand why I got the OUT OF DISK SPACE
[11:30] <cpaelzer> ccha: you can be out of space or out of blocks, also you might be out of space on other than /var
[11:30] <cpaelzer> https://serverfault.com/questions/275206/disk-full-du-tells-different-how-to-further-investigate is a common issue
[11:30] <leftyfb> ccha: check /boot
[11:30] <cpaelzer> ccha: but you might just strace the call and see which actually gives you the ENOSPACE
[12:17] <ccha> ok it wasn't out of space on my server but on the proxy and it was a http message
[12:48] <MitchT> when is the next azure image due to 'go out'
[12:48] <MitchT> for ubuntuserver
[12:48] <MitchT> the last daily is from the 15th
[14:03] <vimes> hello! I am running a small ubuntu webserver hosting now 5 websites, I was told by ...some dude, that the way I do things now. SSHing inn and doing manual config is a horribly bad idea and that I should look into ansible instead. So I'll ask you guys, does me learning ansible to manage one webserver make sense? I usually don't get crashes as I just test things localhost first
[14:04] <leftyfb> ansible would be helpful to rebuild from scratch
[14:04] <leftyfb> other than that, not really
[14:06] <rbasak> vimes: I think so. Having a codified deployment is useful when upgrading to a new release too, which you have to do every so often to maintain security support.
[14:07] <rbasak> You can do a do-release-upgrade, but that just leads to your server getting messier over time with less visibility of what's on it and how to rebuild it.
[14:07] <rbasak> And that typically leads to a bunch of legacy most people could do without.
[14:07] <vimes> mmm is ansible the "recomended by you" way to go? I've never used automation tools beyond home cooked bash scripts and cron before
[14:08] <rbasak> I'm not familiar with ansible specifically. It seems pretty popular, but so do all the alternatives.
[14:08] <rbasak> IMHO, for a small deployment, it doesn't really matter as long as it's flexible enough for you, and the simpler the better.
[14:08] <rbasak> For a tiny deployment, a shell script is fine.
[14:09] <rbasak> (or even some handwritten instructions for that matter)
[14:36] <Ussat> TBH, one server, 5 sites, home cooked scripts are fine
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+bug/1756420, I'm wondering if we need to defer this to next cycle.
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> This seems more complex than a drop-in replacement, and I don't think our team has the cycles to do anything about this before then.
[14:41] <MitchT> Odd_Bloke.. do you / your team control the release of versions to azure
[14:42] <MitchT> .. timing.. release timing
[14:47] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: Yep, we're responsible for the automation that does the releases.
[14:48] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: On your issue from last week, I believe it was a cloud-init bug that has been resolved; the latest/next image should work.
[14:48] <MitchT> Ok. I was noticing that the images don't really line up with a specific pattern. Sometimes its one day, others its more than two
[14:49] <MitchT> just trying to learn more about the process since its integral to how our systems deploy.   They are rebuilt completely during each deployment.
[15:02] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: I kind of have to agree.
[15:02] <smoser> the other option is to just rip it out of cloud-init source at least
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: I'm in a meeting ATM, but I'd be happy to chat about it a bit once I'm done.
[15:04] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: You're thinking a separate source package, or a large Ubuntu delta in pv-grub-menu?
[15:05] <smoser> separate source package.
[15:05] <smoser> named grub-legacy-ec2 just not provided by cloud-init.
[15:05] <smoser> mainly i'd really like to get that out of my ownership
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I'd be +1 on that.
[15:14] <smoser> Odd_Bloke: i might try to do that then.
[15:14] <smoser> and then assign ownership to foundations in some way.
[15:40] <adac> I'm following this howto:  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198003/set-default-kernel-in-grub/224708#224708 but there is always just the newest kernel booted still
[15:40] <adac> any ideas?
[15:40] <adac> I'm on 16.04 btew
[15:40] <adac> *btw
[15:44] <MitchT> Odd_Bloke i'll be out from 12-1 EST (its 15 till 12 now here) can you meet up later with me on here? i'm interested to know how the images are created that we consume.
[15:44] <MitchT> just DM me a time
[15:45] <dpb1> adac: any ideas on what? :)
[15:46] <nacc> dpb1: 08:40 < adac> I'm following this howto:
[15:46] <nacc> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/198003/set-default-kernel-in-grub/224708#224708 but there is always just the newest kernel booted still
[15:46] <dpb1> ah
[15:46] <dpb1> I missed the bit after the link
[15:47] <adac> :)
[15:48] <adac> Still happy if anyone has an idea ;)
[15:49] <nacc> adac: have you checked the result of the sed, etc?
[15:49] <nacc> adac: that is, the count matches what you want it to ?
[15:49] <adac> nacc, actually I tried with sed but also with hand
[15:49] <adac> just adding number with vim
[15:50] <adac> but both did not work actually
[15:50] <nacc> adac: can you pastebin your /etc/default/grub, and your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[15:50] <adac> nacc, ok gimme a sec
[15:51] <ndac> needs more confustion.
[15:51] <MitchT> hahaha
[15:52]  * MitchT nice use of the me command
[15:52] <MitchT> OH!
[15:52] <MitchT> what the.
[15:52] <adac> nacc, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d331b098ab22acd9212bd083099ffa88
[15:52] <MitchT> ok. confused myself.
[15:53] <adac> nacc, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/79aa39d649180b468b5601b5f95425f0
[15:53] <dpb1> adac: I'd actually look at the top upvoted answer.  it looks like 'GRUB_DEFAULT' can be used to point to a specific menuentry-id
[15:53] <dpb1> adac: in /etc/default/grub
[15:53] <nacc> adac: and, to be sure, you're running `update-grub` after, right?
[15:53] <adac> nacc, yes i did
[15:53] <adac> dpb1, yes I set it to 3
[15:54] <dpb1> adac: no, somethign like this:
[15:54] <dpb1> GRUB_DEFAULT="gnulinux-advanced-65c9af03-3d9b-411c-99b2-a9ada0961a40>gnulinux-4.7.0-1-amd64-advanced-65c9af03-3d9b-411c-99b2-a9ada0961a40"
[15:55] <nacc> adac: i don't believey you have a 3rd menu entry
[15:55] <dpb1> adac: thus making the simple index you are using "3" as not valid
[15:55] <nacc> adac: i'm not 100% on how grub does it, but you have a top menu then a submenu after it
[15:55] <nacc> i'm not sure it linearly indexes those
[15:55] <dpb1> basically, you see the '>' character?  that is traversing the menu
[15:56] <nacc> yeah, i think referring by name is better
[15:56] <nacc> i believe you can actually do it with just the id, dpb1
[15:56] <adac> nacc, this was the ouptutof this awk
[15:56] <dpb1> nacc: yes, I think so
[15:56] <nacc> the $menuentry_id_option thing
[15:56] <dpb1> nacc: like 2>4 or something
[15:56] <adac> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3b01096d9a2f28e4594657ac6834914d
[15:56] <nacc> dpb1: even less than that, you can just use teh unique global id of 4 (iirc)
[15:56] <adac> so that is why I used #3
[15:56] <dpb1> nacc: maybe, have not tried
[15:57] <dpb1> nacc: but I hope you are right
[15:57] <nacc> dpb1: it should be possible, if it's not :)
[15:57] <dpb1> +1
[15:57] <nacc> adac: yeah, i'm not 100% convinced that awk is right
[15:57] <nacc> it's assumign a flat grub.cfg and flat parsing of the indices
[15:57] <adac> nacc, would you say it is 2 then :)
[15:57] <nacc> adac: no
[15:57] <nacc> adac: read the answer right after that linnk
[15:57] <dpb1> adac: I would not trust the answer you linked to.  I would use the top upvoted one
[15:58] <nacc> "the indices you can set with grub-set-default only correspond to the main menu entries"
[15:59] <adac> dpb1, but this a server i access only via ssh I cannot  slect this manually on boot
[16:00] <dpb1> manually?
[16:00] <dpb1> adac: the top upvoted answer describes how to modify /etc/default/grub
[16:00] <dpb1> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/327686/9160
[16:00] <adac> sorry was in the wrong tab
[16:00] <adac> you are right
[16:00] <dpb1> np
[16:01] <dpb1> I mean, I haven't tried it, but it looks like a sane general approach to fixing this problem.
[16:01] <adac> which number has it then^^
[16:01] <sdeziel> adac: if it's a one off test, you can directly editing grub.cfg to reorder the kernels, quick and dirty but should work
[16:01] <adac> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7bfbeedca71672e6411b5a8404a5d283
[16:04] <adac> sdeziel, kk thanks
[16:05] <adac> i tried now: 0,1,2,3
[16:05] <sdeziel> adac: that said, at one point I was able to pick a submenu item by editing /etc/default/grub so it should work (sometimes ;))
[16:05] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: Instead of having a time, I think we can just do this asynchronously here.
[16:06] <adac> nothing of thsoe works it always the newest kernel booted
[16:06] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: Briefly, we produce a new daily whenever there are changes to packages in the image; for the development series this is generally every day, but for released series this can be further apart.
[16:07] <dpb1> adac: are you running update-grub after?
[16:07] <dpb1> or are you leaving it alone
[16:07] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: Once that daily has been built, we then consider whether it's a candidate for release; if the packages changed affect first boot (e.g. the kernel, cloud-init), then we also register the image as a release.
[16:08] <adac> dpb1, jepp
[16:08] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: We will also manually trigger releases for specific reasons; this most commonly happens for security fixes to packages which aren't in our regular promotion set.
[16:08] <dpb1> adac: which
[16:09] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: That's a high-level overview; please do ask me any questions that you have. :)
[16:09] <adac> dpb1,
[16:09] <adac> which update-grub
[16:09] <adac>  /usr/sbin/update-grub
[16:10] <dpb1> adac: update-grub is reverting your changes, unless I'm misunderstanding you?
[16:12] <adac> dpb1, I edit the /etc/default/grub file and add the number there. then run update-grub
[16:12] <adac> then reboot
[16:12] <adac> and it is always the newest kernel booted
[16:12] <adac> vmlinuz-4.13.0-36-generic
[16:12] <dpb1> adac: and when you run update-grub, do you notice that grub.cfg reverts the file??
[16:12] <dpb1> err, *that grub.cfg is reverted?
[16:13] <dpb1> update-grub rewrites grub.cfg.  That's its job.
[16:15] <TJ-> adac: which entry do you want to boot from?
[16:15] <adac> dpb1, hmm I see. actually when I run update-grub the grub.cfg is reqritten according to the date
[16:15] <dpb1> adac: yes
[16:15] <TJ-> adac: I find it better to use menuentry names e.g. I have for an entry 2 sub-menus in: GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS>Linux Mainline-RC for Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS>Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS, with Linux 4.16-rc3-pci_bridge"
[16:16] <adac> TJ-, yes and this stopped my server from booting
[16:16] <adac> I only had time now today again to test this out
[16:16] <dpb1> adac: if you are modifying /etc/default/grub, you then need to run 'update-grub', if you are modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg, you should not
[16:16] <adac> dpb1, yes that is what i did
[16:16] <dpb1> (modifying /boot/grub/grub.cfg is not a long term fix for just that reason)
[16:16] <dpb1> it's for testing out
[16:17] <adac> Can i remove the current kernel I'm logged in with?
[16:17] <adac> just for testing
[16:17] <dpb1> and it's why I have suggested that you not follow the path you are proceeding with. :)
[16:17] <adac> since I have only two then the old one must be booted :D
[16:17] <dpb1> adac: yup, you can also do that for testing
[16:17] <dpb1> sure
[16:18] <adac> sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-4.13.0-36-generic
[16:18] <adac> would that do the trick?
[16:19] <dpb1> I don't know what kernels you have installed, but that is a way to remove one kernel
[16:20] <dpb1> and then follow up with apt-get autoremove
[16:20] <adac> dpb1, these two https://gist.github.com/anonymous/15cd1ee35967a363e068a07df65333cf
[16:20] <adac> ok thanks
[16:22] <adac> lets see what is happening now :D
[16:22] <TJ-> adac: You either use the menuentry titles as I showed "Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-116-generic or use numbers "0>2"
[16:22] <adac> rebooting
[16:22] <adac> TJ-, yeah maybe I made  a copy paste error
[16:23] <adac> TJ-, "0>2" means?
[16:23] <adac> ok removing the kernel fixed it
[16:23] <TJ-> adac: 0 == first sub-menu, 2 == 3rd entry in that sub-menu
[16:23] <adac> i'm now in the old kernel!
[17:25] <MitchT> Odd_Bloke: Thanks, that goes a long way towards explaining the cycle. I'm trying to learn what to look for before I release so i'm not ending up being that guy going "whens it happening? Whens the next one" etc.
[17:31] <MitchT> before *a* release.. not I release.
[17:38] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: The kernel is most often what causes an automated release; new kernels are released on a three week cadence.
[18:31] <MitchT> Odd_Bloke: any chance you could kick off a release with the fix to cloud init
[19:03] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: Well, we don't do releases for bionic, because it hasn't released yet.
[19:03] <Odd_Bloke> But I have unblocked the daily, which was hung up on an unrelated issue.
[19:18] <nacc> Odd_Bloke: can you make a note to yourself to sync ruby-delayed-job as soon as b+1 opens?
[19:18] <nacc> Odd_Bloke: i'm syncing the other two i sponsored that are no-feature changes that took the same fixes as your uploads
[19:22] <Odd_Bloke> nacc: Sure thing.
[19:22] <nacc> Odd_Bloke: thanks!
[19:22] <nacc> Odd_Bloke: debian went to a different upstream version, and it'
[19:22] <nacc> *it's not trivial to me if we'd need a FFe and that's probably not worth it :)
[19:24] <MitchT> Odd_Bloke I appreciate all the help.
[19:24] <Odd_Bloke> Agreed.
[19:24] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: :)
[19:25] <MitchT> Do you think images will be created by April 10th
[19:25] <MitchT> ones that work :P
[19:49] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: The most I'm going to commit to is that we'll have images by release (i.e. April 26th per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule).
[19:49] <Odd_Bloke> (But we will certainly have working images before that. :p)
[19:52] <MitchT> :)
[20:23] <Goop> Are there Oauth server packages for Ubuntu, or is Oauth just a concept, and you have to make your own application?
[20:34] <dpb1> Goop: OAuth is a protocol, there are most likely a lot of packages that implement that protocol for various purposes.  like, php, python, etc.
[20:36] <dpb1> not to mention many packages that need user login would make use of an OAuth provider to handle user auth, probably making use of those language-specific implementations.
[20:55] <Goop> dpb1, may I ask for help on implementing an authentication setup for my situation?
[20:56] <dpb1> probably beyond the scope of the expertise in this channel.
[20:56] <dpb1> but, you could certainly ask
[21:32] <Odd_Bloke> MitchT: The latest Azure image booted for me and was able to SSH in to it, FYI.
[21:33] <rud0lf> hello. is there an (un)official guide for newbie server admins? i know ubuntu itself as a desktop client, i know some about computers, i can script
[21:34] <rud0lf> all i need to know is how to secure and audit
[21:34] <nacc> lol
[21:34] <nacc> rud0lf: "all" :)
[21:34] <rud0lf> too wide?
[21:34] <nacc> rud0lf: that is a full-time position at most companies
[21:34] <rud0lf> lol
[21:34] <rud0lf> i mean basics
[21:34] <rud0lf> like, giving someone shell account, restrict some binaries
[21:34] <rud0lf> executables, i mean
[21:35] <rud0lf> or how to parse auth.log and make it more verbose
[21:35] <rud0lf> nacc: consider me as a server toddler
[21:35] <nacc> rud0lf: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[21:35] <sarnold> rud0lf: I seem to recall thinking this was reasonable guidelines https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/guidance/eud-security-guidance-ubuntu-1604-lts
[21:36] <nacc> but if you're security-focused, i was going to ask sarnold :)
[21:36] <rud0lf> thank you, hop to my favorites (links, not you guys)
[22:08] <Wolf_Y> Hey guys
[22:08] <Wolf_Y> is anyone up i have some noob-ish questions about samba and ubuntu 17.10 networking
[22:10] <dpb1> ask away
[22:12] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  alright so i am using ubuntu server 17.10 on hyper-v manager
[22:13] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  i strugled with networking for a bit before i figured out that making a bridgeg connection between my host pc and hyper-v can help me set up a static ip on ubuntu server
[22:13] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  so i did that and everything seemed to woek fine
[22:14] <Wolf_Y> dpb1: then i installed samba and added some folders with right permissions and when i try to access them from my host machine they work fine
[22:14] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  when i try to transfer small files it works
[22:14] <Wolf_Y> but when i try and transfer larger files the connection breaks
[22:14] <Wolf_Y> i think it has to do somethin with my net config
[22:14] <dpb1> yuck
[22:15] <Wolf_Y> do you maybe have an idea
[22:15] <dpb1> anything showing up in `dmesg` or /var/log/syslog?
[22:15] <dpb1> (when the connection breaks)
[22:15] <Wolf_Y> im still quite new to linux
[22:15] <Wolf_Y> so would you like me to share the outputs
[22:15] <dpb1> well
[22:16] <dpb1> you can, but make sure you pastebin
[22:16] <dpb1> !pastebin
[22:16] <dpb1> !pastebinit
[22:16] <dpb1> Wolf_Y: ^
[22:16] <Wolf_Y> alright ill use pastebin dpb1  what should i send
[22:17] <dpb1> `dmesg` and `cat /var/log/syslog`
[22:17] <dpb1> but first make sure you don't mind sharing the content
[22:17] <dpb1> it's likely fine if they are vms you are just testing with
[22:17] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  im trying to make a media server
[22:18] <Wolf_Y> dpb1:  i supose i can share
[22:19] <Wolf_Y> dpb1: not quite sure how to coppy the output to clipboard
[22:19] <Wolf_Y> looking into it right now, sorry for making it long
[22:19] <dpb1> Wolf_Y: use pastebinit
[22:20] <dpb1> dmesg | pastebinit
[22:20] <Wolf_Y> oh okay ill try
[22:21] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2yjPPFYzTS/
[22:21] <dpb1> did you type that right?
[22:21] <dpb1> does not exist
[22:21] <Wolf_Y> let me check
[22:22] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZyjPPFYzTS/
[22:22] <Wolf_Y> got it
[22:22] <Wolf_Y> now ill try it with the next one as well
[22:23] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZptqG7tkWs
[22:24] <Wolf_Y> dpb1: should i try causing the break and then do the error output again
[22:24] <Wolf_Y> clear
[22:25] <dpb1> Wolf_Y: ya, do.  and then just do     <command> | tail -100 | pastebinit    .... to only get the last 100 lines.
[22:26] <Wolf_Y> alright
[22:27] <Wolf_Y> tranfering the file
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vcv5fbrhnK//
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vcv5fbrhnK/
[22:29] <Wolf_Y> ill do the other one now
[22:29] <dpb1> Wolf_Y: interesting
[22:30] <dpb1> Wolf_Y: what time did you initiate the transfer
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> a minute ago or so
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> what do you see
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> should i do the dmesg as well
[22:30] <dpb1> run `date` on your server
[22:30] <dpb1> no
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> alright
[22:30] <dpb1> what does date say right no
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> one sec
[22:30] <dpb1> now
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> the date says
[22:30] <Wolf_Y> correct date
[22:31] <dpb1> I want the whole thing
[22:31] <dpb1> :)
[22:31] <Wolf_Y> so the whole cat
[22:31] <Wolf_Y> ?
[22:31] <dpb1> date
[22:31] <Wolf_Y> alright
[22:32] <Wolf_Y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c4JqtFjzTV
[22:32] <Wolf_Y> thats date
[22:32] <dpb1> huh
[22:32] <dpb1> ok
[22:32] <dpb1> so nothing
[22:32] <Wolf_Y> so what do you say
[22:33] <Wolf_Y> would you like the dmesg
[22:33] <dpb1> no
[22:33] <Wolf_Y> ok
[22:33] <Wolf_Y> once again, the smaller files and accessing the folder works just fine
[22:34] <Wolf_Y> the permissions are 755 and 777
[22:34] <dpb1> unfortunately, the next thing I would do is a bit harder.  I'd switch samba into debug mode and do the same thing you just did.
[22:34] <dpb1> basically, start going through this
[22:34] <dpb1> https://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch12.html
[22:34] <dpb1> reproduce the problem, see if any interesting logs pop out
[22:35] <dpb1> if they do, I would probably take them to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:35] <Wolf_Y> i think ill just remove and once again try a fresh install
[22:35] <dpb1> that user list is very active
[22:35] <Wolf_Y> i now know how the server works
[22:35] <Wolf_Y> i just need to figure out the samba
[22:35] <Wolf_Y> thanks very much for your help, ill get back here tomorrow if fresh install does not help and try to debug samba
[22:36] <dpb1> k
[22:36] <Wolf_Y> see ya then
[22:36] <dpb1> o/