[00:00] <mzz> hmm, probably not gnome-session, my grep isn't hitting
[00:00] <mzz> might be gnome-panel
[00:01] <tanath> anyone else notice compiz interfering with fullscreen video?
[00:01] <tanath> i just get a black screen.
[00:01] <DanaG> anyway, check my comments on that eSATA bug.
[00:01] <tanath> still hear audio though
[00:02] <Bigshot_> i am itchy to download 9.10 RC should i ? should i? or should i wait till 29?
[00:02] <Random832> so i'm going to set up karmic in a virtual machine - how much memory and hard disk space do i need?
[00:03] <tanath> compiz also seems to be covering my desktop with blackness too
[00:03] <maco> Bigshot_: wont be much changes between now and then
[00:04] <maco> Random832: with or without a gui?
[00:04] <Bigshot_> maco: will karmic make my multitouch thingy work?
[00:04] <Random832> @maco, with
[00:04] <maco> Bigshot_: i dont have your hardware, so i dont know
[00:04] <Bigshot_> @maco multitouch screen laptop
[00:04] <maco> Bigshot_: try a live cd?
[00:05] <maco> Random832: i think 384MiB min RAM and a few GiB disk
[00:05] <Random832> k
[00:05] <mzz> hmm, actualy was gnome-session. Must've messed up a grep.
[00:06] <tanath> anyone know what the deal is with compiz?
[00:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768
[00:06] <DanaG> so... should I attach that to devkit-disks?
[00:06] <Bigshot_> maco can i upgrade from RC to final release? and how?
[00:06] <mzz> hey, I can't reproduce it. Perhaps it was fixed in karmic and I was remembering it from jaunty :)
[00:06] <DanaG> "          -------           Rejecting as INVALID.  If someone has a machine with working ahci external port marking, I have patches to test but given that most other controllers don't have such feature, I think we need hal whitelisting one way or the other."
[00:06] <maco> Bigshot_: regular updates'll do it
[00:07] <DanaG> okay.... where are these patches?
[00:07] <DanaG> =þ
[00:07]  * DanaG slaps the kernel devs with an eSATA cable, too.
[00:07] <eitreach_> Icelandic smileys rule. :)
[00:08] <DanaG> "If someone has a machine with working ahci external port marking, I have patches to test but given that most other controllers don't have such feature, I think we need hal whitelisting one way or the other."
[00:08] <DanaG> Hah, almost EVERY machine I've seen with AHCI eSATA... has done port marking JUST FINE.
[00:08] <DanaG> How did they miss that?
[00:09] <jimpop> asleep? :-)
[00:09] <DanaG> " Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be many machines which actually use the facility." -- HAH!
[00:09] <DanaG> haaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaH!
[00:09] <DanaG> Excuse the ranting, but yeah, those kinds of conclusions really irk me.
[00:09] <DanaG> "I've never seen it; therefore, they must not exist."
[00:10] <bjsnider> DanaG, there's a kernel team channel here
[00:11] <jimpop> will they address why they refused to support Poulsbo chipset ?
[00:11] <bjsnider> ask intel
[00:11] <jimpop> i mean, it's only 50% of the netbook market so far
[00:11] <DanaG> That's Intel's fault.
[00:11] <Bigshot_> can i use http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/ to create a live usb for KARMIC?
[00:11] <DanaG> And PowerVR's fault.
[00:11] <maco> jimpop: you're on that again? ugh. seriously, go whine to intel to fix their freakin drivers
[00:11] <maco> repeating your whining in here every few hours isnt going to help squat
[00:11] <DanaG> Or ask them to give you a refund.
[00:12] <jimpop> the intel drivers work... i'm writing this on a AAO
[00:12] <DanaG> =þ
[00:12] <maco> just annoy the fest of us
[00:12] <maco> *rest
[00:12] <jimpop> i have no other recourse but to spread the word
[00:12] <maco> WE ALREADY KNOW the drivers are broken
[00:13] <jimpop> it's unsupported in Karmic, but simple me made it work... the only hurdle was a stupid pkg error
[00:13] <stpere> maco: put him on your ignore list
[00:13] <maco> so submit a patch
[00:13] <jimpop> it's already in a bug report... that *still* gets ignored
[00:13] <jimpop> thus my complaining
[00:13] <maco> are sponsors subscribed to the report?
[00:14] <jimpop> let me see
[00:14] <maco> because patches attached to bugs without sponsors subscribed wont get touched
[00:14] <maco> also, the patch has to be right
[00:14] <maco> if its just a dirty hack, its going to get ignored
[00:14] <bjsnider> hahahaa that is probably true
[00:14] <jimpop> listed as "wishlist" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[00:14] <bjsnider> the patch has to not suck
[00:14] <jimpop> it's not even a patch, it's a build error
[00:15] <maco> a build error ain't a fix
[00:15] <maco> submit a patch to fix the build error
[00:15] <maco> one that is *correct* then subscribe sponsors
[00:15] <jimpop> here's the gist of what it takes: http://mail.ale.org/pipermail/ale/2009-October/113618.html
[00:15] <maco> that's how you get things fixed
[00:15] <maco> whining does not get things fixed
[00:15] <maco> blogging does not get things fixed
[00:16] <maco> doing the fscking work gets things fixed
[00:16] <jimpop> apparently reporting bugs doesn't get things fixed either....
[00:16] <maco> not if there arent enough people to fix 'em
[00:16] <maco> 10,000 users can file bugs but if there's only 50 people working on fixing the bugs, they'll be overwhelmed
[00:17] <jimpop> i doubt that is the case with the psb chipset... as you said earlier... *you* are stalled waiting on Intel to fix a Karmic problem
[00:17] <maco> i'm not stalled on anything. i dont have that hardware :)
[00:17] <jimpop> a Karmic *packaging* problem
[00:18] <maco> if you think its a packaging problem, submit a debdiff
[00:18] <jimpop> i've done my part, identifying the build issue... if it takes a debdiff or patch to move things along (on such a simple issue) then the whole cause it just lost.
[00:19] <DanaG>  http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on-linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/
[00:19] <DanaG> nice.
[00:19] <maco> glad to see you care soooooo much that you're willing to squat
[00:19] <maco> *do squat
[00:20] <maco> ugh
[00:20] <maco> when did this channel get so whiny?
[00:20] <jimpop> maco: look at the build page https://launchpad.net/~lucazade/+archive/gma500 and see the 5 week old build error for the core piece
[00:20] <jimpop> how does a build error (a simple rm instead of rmdir) exist for 5 weeks
[00:21] <jimpop> i gather it's because Ubuntu *doesn't* want to fix it
[00:21] <wgrant> Who is lucazade, and why do I care about their PPA?
[00:21] <maco> ubuntu is not a single entity
[00:21] <Buuntu> can someone help me with a failed upgrade to Karmic?
[00:21] <Travis-42> Should I be able to use the wine repository for jaunty? There is no karmic repository yet. Or do I need to compile it myself?
[00:21] <Buuntu> I can't boot up ubuntu now... :(
[00:21] <maco> ubuntu is a collection of people VOLUNTEERING their time
[00:21] <wgrant> Travis-42: Why do you want to use their repository?
[00:21] <jimpop> which raises the question of Politics... couple that with all the "Get Intel to fix it" just smacks of ignorance
[00:21] <wgrant> Travis-42: There are 1.2 betas in the archive.
[00:22] <Travis-42> wgrant: oh really? I've just been using it for a while because the ubuntu repositories didn
[00:22] <BluesKaj> Travis-42, install wine with apt-get or your package manager, no need to compile from source
[00:22] <jimpop> maco Lcazade volunteered his time... and main stream dev gave up on him
[00:22] <Travis-42> 't have anywhere near the latest
[00:22] <maco> jimpop: the drivers themselves are in poor shape regardless of packaging. that part is intel's fault. sure the packaging is on the distro's side, but why are you so unwilling to just fix it if you know how to?
[00:22] <wgrant> Travis-42: See the wine1.2 package.
[00:22] <Byron> I've been rebooting everytime the network gives out as I'm trying to upgrade to Karmic. I know nothing has been applied yet as the download has only gotten to just over 500 packages out of 1318, but I'm in the process of copying things to my external HDD via USB. Things are looking good.
[00:22] <jimpop> maco, all i can say is that the Intel drivers are working fine for me.
[00:22] <Travis-42> wgrant: thanks
[00:23] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: What happens when you try to boot, please give as many details as possible
[00:23] <maco> i'm sorry, i'm not  putting up with people who'd rather act like a baby than help
[00:23] <jimpop> i've helped
[00:23] <jimpop> I've given the right info
[00:23] <jimpop> it's people like you maco that just keep drinking the "Get Intel to fix it" koolaide
[00:24] <BluesKaj> never seen someone compain so much about complainers:)
[00:24] <jimpop> the Intel drivers work... it's the Ubuntu packaging that is broken
[00:24] <yofel> jimpop: you have psb working with the 2.6.31 kernel?
[00:24] <jimpop> yes
[00:24] <jimpop> rock solid
[00:24] <Byron> spoke too soon :(
[00:24] <jimpop> yofel, see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-psb/+bug/330906
[00:25] <jimpop> the only reason they won't work in Karmic main is due to a packaging build error (rm vs rmdir)
[00:25] <greg-g> quit your whining
[00:25] <jimpop> meanwhile... all those (approaching 1m) new netbooks with Poulsbo chipsets will not be able to d/l and install Karmic
[00:25] <greg-g> ;)
[00:26] <jimpop> it's a huge error for Ubuntu to ignore a new mainstream market
[00:27] <jimpop> i realize it may be too late to make it into the final release... but I well intend to leave a trail of my efforts to get it supported.
[00:27] <Jordan_U> jimpop: If it's really that simple, since it's too late to make it into karmic for release, do you plan to make a ppa for it, and if not would you help me make one?
[00:27]  * greg-g should note that I have no idea what conversation he just butted into and his comment should be taken as tounge in check
[00:27] <greg-g> (cheek)
[00:28] <Buuntu> ok, here is my thread, , I'd rather not have to repeat it all :P -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1300719
[00:28] <poutine> Why does ubuntu only allow me to install libmozjs-dev if I uninstall firefox? (This was not the case on the last major release)
[00:28] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I don't know how to build pkgs to right way, but with the info I've already provide (and will do again) i will help *anyone* make whatever it takes to get this supported in Karmic.
[00:29] <acicula> get source of package, make change, debuild
[00:29] <acicula> or something along that line iirc
[00:29] <jimpop> hehe...it's those last bits that are important in doing it the right way
[00:29] <wgrant> poutine: libmozjs-dev is from xulrunner 1.8, which was Firefox 2.0. It is very much deprecated.
[00:30] <poutine> wgrant, I use libmozjs in my application, it's spidermonkey, it may be deprecated in firefox but afaik I'm not the only other person to use it for embedding and extending javascript
[00:30] <acicula> no debuild just takes the old package with your changes and packages a new one, pretty great if you need to make a simple change
[00:30] <wgrant> poutine: Is there no xulrunner 1.9.x alternative?
[00:31] <poutine> wgrant, I don't even know what xulrunner is, all I know is that libmozjs is spider monkey
[00:31] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: any idea?
[00:31] <mmcji> any suggestions on what i can do the get proper resolution on lcd monitor?  everything looks short and fat.  best resolution i can get on external lcd is 1024x768
[00:31] <Jordan_U> jimpop: One nice thing about PPA's is that if the source package is good, Launchpads build server makes sure it's built the right way :)
[00:31] <m0r0n> http://lifehacker.com/5388454/ubuntu-910-release-candidate-available-for-download       I thought it gets released on the 29th?
[00:32] <poutine> wgrant, http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/
[00:32] <poutine> ^ That's libmozjs
[00:32] <poutine> xulrunner is something different
[00:33] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: Were you connected to the internet when you ran apt-get upgrade?
[00:33] <poutine> and I was running firefox-3.0 on ubuntu 9.04 with libmozjs-dev installed just fine
[00:33] <wgrant> poutine: libmozjs0d is built by xulrunner 1.8.
[00:33] <acicula> mmcji: sounds like the default video driver loaded rather then the one appropriate for your pc
[00:33] <jimpop> Jordan_U, with the Lucazade's ppa there is something (i'm not sure what) that breaks the build.. that something is a cleanup script that tries to remove a directory with "rm -f" which obviously won't work
[00:33] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: oh... LOL
[00:33] <greg-g> poutine: xulrunner provides libmozjs http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libmozjs-dev (see the right hand side for source package)
[00:33] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: damn, my wireless doesn't work on the live cd, time to go get an ethernet cable I guess
[00:34] <Buuntu> Jordan_U: thanks for pointing that out! ^^
[00:34] <Jordan_U> Buuntu: np :)
[00:34] <poutine> greg-g, I'm unaware of any dependency in that regard, is there a package I can install so I can build my application like I used to?
[00:34] <poutine> that will not uninstall firefox
[00:35] <wgrant> poutine: Perhaps look in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev
[00:37] <poutine> wgrant, no dice
[00:37] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Have you tried to contact Luca Forina to tell him what change needs to be made ( since he already has the ppa set up ) ?
[00:37] <wgrant> poutine: I see jsapi.h in xulrunner-1.9.1-dev
[00:38] <poutine> hmm
[00:38] <stpere> hi poutine
[00:38] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I got no response (approx 3 weeks ago)
[00:38] <stpere> num num
[00:38] <Byron> I was looking into the netbook version of Kubuntu. Will it be a different upgrade than the standard one for Kubuntu desktop?
[00:39] <bjsnider> jimpop, create your own ppa
[00:39] <poutine> ok wgrant, installing libmozjs used to provide a facility into pkg-config where i could do pkg-config xulrunner-js --libs
, i'm not the one to do that (various issues, including lack of correct knowledge)
[00:39] <poutine> and it'd show me compile flags
[00:39] <poutine> this is no longer the case
[00:39] <poutine> in fact I see no pkg-config information for xulrunner or anything else anymore
[00:40] <wgrant> poutine: Try mozilla-js
[00:40] <wgrant> Rather than xulrunner-js
[00:40] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's not that hard once you have done it once
[00:40] <poutine> is there some rationale for the change (so I can adjust my autoconf macros)
[00:40] <poutine> ?
[00:41] <wgrant> poutine: I presume it's an upstream change.
[00:41] <poutine> but it did work (thanks for that)
[00:41] <jimpop> Jordan_U, $DAYJOB prohibits me
[00:41] <bjsnider> jimpop, knowledge is not a zero-sum game
[00:41] <jimpop> without much legal paperwork/proceedures/etc
[00:41] <bjsnider> udjumucate yourself
[00:41] <Jordan_U> jimpop: If I create a ppa ( if I have time today ) and post a link to it in that bug report would you test it? ( I don't have any intel hardware )
[00:41] <poutine> wgrant, seems like xulrunner-js would be better if it's provided by the xulrunner package rather than mozilla, is this a change by ubuntu or mozilla?
[00:41] <innomen> Ok guys I installed xp, and then ubuntu, but the partition it chose ot make for ubuntu is tiny, i boot in live cd to rezie with gpart and it shows two drives sda1 and sda1, and i have 130 gigs of unallocated space on sda1, how do i move it to sda2?
[00:41] <jimpop> Jordan_U, yes. most certainly
[00:42] <innomen> its the same physical drive
[00:42] <wgrant> poutine: I don't know; I avoid Mozilla stuff like the plague. Repeating: xulrunner-1.9.1-dev is the package name, mozilla-js is the pkg-config name.
[00:42] <poutine> anyways, that is what I was looking for exactly, thanks wgrant
[00:42] <innomen> (if that wasn't obvious)
[00:44] <habanany> hey guys I running karmic which comes with with f-spot, do i still need picasa?
[00:44] <jschall> wine fullscreen seems to disable my desktop effects in kubuntu, how can i stop that from happening?
[00:45] <greg-g> habanany: that is a question only you can answer. They are two different programs
[00:47] <innomen> !gparted
[00:47] <habanany> ok to make it clear , i just want to know which one is better, keeping in mind that I'm newbe in linux
[00:47] <innomen> this is insane
[00:47] <greg-g> habanany: again, only a question you can answer. Try both, pick which one feels better to you.
[00:48] <Byron> Are there known issues with ext3 and 1TB hdd?
[00:48] <shiretok0> what can I expect to experience with the rc of kubuntu? should I wait for final?
[00:48] <habanany> your answer make sense greg-g , thanks
[00:48] <innomen> Why did karmic make a 3gb install partition when i had 130gb of unallocated space for it?
[00:49] <thiebaude> innomen: ubuntu needs at least 4gb for install
[00:49] <qwebirc45876> Hello.
[00:49] <innomen> thiebaude, i'm looking at a a 3gb install
[00:49] <innomen> but i want to expand it, obviously
[00:49] <greg-g> habanany: no problem. :)
[00:49] <qwebirc45876> I was wondering what I can do to start learning for helping to develop for Ubuntu.
[00:50] <qwebirc45876> Any links?
[00:50] <qwebirc45876> Or tips?
[00:50] <BluesKaj> innomen, unallocated is just that you have to format it to ext3 or 4 for linux
[00:50] <andril> hello all
[00:50] <innomen> but gparted wont let it used unallocated space form the "other" drive sda1/sda2
[00:50] <innomen> BluesKaj, i know
[00:50] <BluesKaj> format it then
[00:50] <innomen> i did and ended up with a 130gb ext4 parition
[00:50] <innomen> that dosent help me
[00:51] <yofel> qwebirc45876: looked at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate ?
[00:51] <innomen> i dont need a third parition i need ot resize the first one
[00:52] <greg-g> innomen: boot from livecd and resize the partition
[00:52] <BluesKaj> innomen, when you install use the manual partitioning option and make sure you choose / for the ext4
[00:52] <innomen> greg-g, i'm in live cd, it wont let me resize it the unallocated space is on the "other" drive despite there being only one physical drive
[00:53] <innomen> BluesKaj, so its not possible to use unallocated space on one parition to expand another?
[00:53] <blaz2> hello! does 3d acceleration work for i915? (EEE PC 701), out of the box i seem to have software rendering only..
[00:53] <BluesKaj> no it has to have a formatted space
[00:53] <innomen> BluesKaj, explain
[00:53] <BluesKaj> I just did
[00:53] <innomen> i formate the unallocated space to X and then what?
[00:53] <innomen> no you didnt
[00:54] <BluesKaj> innomen, read above about the manual parttionin option
[00:54] <innomen> i'm not going to reinstall ubunut just to resize a parition
[00:54] <wgrant> innomen: Run 'sudo fdisk -l' and pastebin the output.
[00:54] <innomen> there has ot be a way with gparted
[00:55] <wgrant> Let's see what's actually going on here.
[00:55] <innomen> one moment
[00:56] <yofel> blaz2: it should, what exact chip do you have? (type 'lspci | grep VGA' in a terminal to find out)
[00:56] <jschall> kde seems to disable desktop effects when i run a fullscreen game and then it forgets to turn them back on when i stop running a fullscreen game, is there any way to disable that?
[00:56] <xguru> i saw an update about easy backup/recover.....what was that about?  I didn't see any new menus
[00:57] <BluesKaj> well then innomen , you might be stuck with 3G partition
[00:57] <darthanubis> anyone know of a bug where upron reboot sound is always back to zero?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> jimpop: What file needs to be changed exactly?
[00:58] <innomen> trying to make pastebin work
[00:58] <innomen> so clunky
[00:58] <blaz2> yofel: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[00:59] <yofel> blaz2: fresh install or upgrade? Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[00:59] <blaz2> yofel: glxinfo | grep render shows 'Software Rasterizer' and Extreme Tux Tacer is extremely slow (~0.5 FPS)
[01:00] <yofel> blaz2: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:01] <blaz2> yofel: no xorg.conf file. Installed from mini.iso few day ago and keep up-to-date
[01:01] <jimpop> Jordan_U, I started here https://launchpad.net/~lucazade/+archive/gma500/+build/1243964 and then clicked on "buildlog" and dug through the errors.  I don't know what causes the error, but here is the error text from that log: "rm: cannot remove `/usr/include/drm-linux-libc': Is a directory"
[01:01] <blaz2> yofel: ok, just a moment, its on another machine...
[01:03] <yofel> jimpop: I looked at that log, and the actual build failure is 'checking for DRI... configure: error: Package requirements (libdrm >= 2.0 xf86driproto) were not met: No package 'libdrm' found'
[01:04] <wgrant> (-psb does some really revolting stuff with a modified libdrm; after seeing that error I ran away swiftly)
[01:04] <jimpop>  yofel, yeah i see that too.  wouldn't libdrm be installed on the build env?
[01:04] <stpere> there is no DRM in linux :P
[01:04] <stpere> j/k
[01:04] <blaz2> yofel: heres Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/m29bdda26
[01:05] <jimpop> stpere, it's Display Resolution Manager (or something like that, but not Digital Rights Managment)
[01:05] <stpere> I know
[01:05] <stpere> I was kidding
[01:05] <jimpop> gotcha
[01:05] <Docteh> where would I get help on stepping through the init system?
[01:05] <yofel> jimpop: not if libdrm-dev or something like that isn't a build-dependency of the package. Only the packages that are necessary to build a package are installed on a build machine
[01:06] <yofel> jimpop: and the package itself has to tell the buildd what packages it needs
[01:06] <jimpop> yofel. i see.  That PPA also provides a libdrm-poulsbo diversion
[01:06] <durt> !upstart | Docteh
[01:07] <Docteh> ooo theres a wiki now
[01:08] <Random832> they're getting rid of sysvinit now? wow it's amazing how much has changed in the last ten years
[01:09] <poutine> ubuntu's willingness to test out solutions that cause more issues than the problems they "solve" isn't a good thing imho
[01:09]  * poutine is still butthurt over pulseaudio
[01:10] <Innomen2> What was that command again?
[01:10] <yofel> blaz2: I'm out of ideas then since everything looks right to me :/
[01:10] <Innomen2> sudo fdisk -l
[01:12] <Innomen2> it takes forever when i have to reboot because i have to download xchat
[01:12] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It looks like the rm -f was not the primary problem, so that should explain why this hasn't been fixed yet
[01:12] <blaz2> yofel: ok thanks for looking!
[01:12] <Innomen2> i guess w left
[01:13] <jimpop> Jordan_U, so, what's the next step?  The dependency ?
[01:13] <Innomen2> How do i use unallocated space from one parition to expand another?
[01:13] <jschall> so if i run a game in wine and then try to start desktop effects in kubuntu, i get a lovely solid white screen until it times out or i hit esc
[01:13] <jschall> using nvidia drivers latest version on an 8800gts
[01:13] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Yes, and it's likely more complicated than just adding a build-depends. I am trying installing libdrm-dev now and building again
[01:14] <poutine> so where would I log a bug like, "running /etc/init.d/apache2 stop as a normal user reports [OK] even though it in fact does nothing"
[01:16] <Jordan_U> jimpop: After installing libdrm-dev I am getting different errors at least
[01:16] <Jordan_U> jimpop: But it's still failing very early
[01:17] <jimpop> Jordan_U, is it possible for me to see the buildlog (not sure if this is a ppa yet or you are working local)
[01:18] <yofel> poutine: report a bug against apache2.2-common with 'ubuntu-bug apache2.2-common' since it's the package that ships /etc/init.d/apache2
[01:18] <poutine> thanks yofel
[01:18] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'm working locally, http://jordanu.dyndns.org/buildlog-current.txt
[01:19] <jimpop> what is $LANG on that system?
[01:19] <jimpop> Jordan_U, what is $LANG on that system?
[01:20] <blaz2> yofel: I just checked that 3d accel works when I run as root. Some permission issue??
[01:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: en_US.UTF-8
[01:20] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'm using typescript btw, that's why you see some control characters
[01:20] <yofel> poutine: for future reference: you can find the package a file belongs to with either 'dpkg -S filename' or 'apt-file find filename' (the first only checks packages you have installed, the latter searches the whole database and lists all packages that ship the file)
[01:20] <jimpop> Jordan_U, ok, i saw some weird chars in the buildlog
[01:22] <jimpop> Jordan_U, googl'ing for xf86mm.h shows some issues everywhere ;-)
[01:22] <yofel> blaz2: what are your permissions for /dev/dri/card0? 'ls -l /dev/dri/card0'
[01:24] <blaz2> yofel: root video
[01:24] <blaz2> yofel: i added myself to video groups and problem solved:)
[01:25] <yofel> :)
[01:25] <ordinarydot> join #ubuntu-classroom
[01:26] <ordinarydot> ups
[01:28] <jimpop> Jordan_U, what pkg provided mm_interface.h ?
[01:30] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's part of the xserver-xorg-video-psb source package
[01:31] <jimpop> Jordan_U, that's interesting... I can't locate that file on my system (which has the Juanty ver of that pkg)
[01:31] <jimpop> Jordan_U, give me a few secs to d/l the PPA ver of that pkg and to investigate
[01:32] <Jordan_U> jimpop: It's in the source package, apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-psb
[01:32] <jimpop> Jordan_U, ahh, ok. ty
[01:32] <Jordan_U> jimpop: np
[01:33] <gaelfx> I downloaded the UNR image via torrent and the md5sum was horribly wrong, so I downloaded directly from the site and the md5 was correct, but the liveUSB still fails to work at all, can someone give me advice about how to make it work properly, or at least tell me if this is a known problem/
[01:34] <Jordan_U> jimpop: Realize that at this point it's not likely we are going to solve the problem given that at least I am completely clueless when it comes to building xorg drivers
[01:34] <Jordan_U> jimpop: I'll still try, but don't get your hopes up :)
[01:34] <StrangeCharm> manually trying to set up an encrypted lvm, grub is giving me an error at boot. what am i likely to be doing wrong?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: What error?
[01:34] <jimpop> Jordan_U, understood, and same here... BUT together we should both be able to do it.
[01:35] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: And did you run grub-install after setting up lvm ?
[01:36] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, no such disk, or words to that effect
[01:36] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, allow me to clarify: i'm using the server install disk, but a manual partitioning scheme
[01:37] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Is your /boot on lvm?
[01:38] <StrangeCharm> no, i have 100mb of /boot at the top of an unencrypted, non-lvm primary partition. / is on an encrypted lvm
[01:39] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Do you have another machine so you can enter commands in the grub shell while on IRC?
[01:40] <StrangeCharm> this is my other machine
[01:40] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: OK, can you boot your machine with the problem and run "ls -l" at the grub prompt?
[01:42] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, I could, but I've just booted up the install disk to try and do it correctly. I don't mind resetting my partitions: I'm not sure that my initial configuration was correct.
[01:43] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: Ok, ping me if you have problems after re-installing
[01:44] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, that would be now. i am certain of what i did, and after the third time, i am certain that what i am doing is not working.
[01:45] <Jordan_U> StrangeCharm: OK, can you boot and run "ls -l" at the grub prompt?
[01:47] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, sure, stand by (warm booting is a slow process for this box)
[01:55] <StrangeCharm> Jordan_U, the bios seems to be getting stuck loading the disk, possible because i was part-way through the installer when i rebooted, i will seek further setup advice, and return
[02:00] <aprilhare> hey
[02:00] <aprilhare> nice to see nexuiz got updated :)
[02:07] <Bigshot_> i just installed 9.10 but it's not showing the "Proprietary Harware drivers"?? not detecting!
[02:07] <Bigshot_> it did detect on the Live DVD
[02:09] <aprilhare> i remember there were instructions as to how to update to grub2 but i can't find them
[02:09] <aprilhare> tossing up whether or not to do it
[02:09] <Jordan_U> aprilhare: sudo apt-get install grub2
[02:10] <aprilhare> Jordan_U: should I do it? :)
[02:10] <aprilhare> i suppose it'd go with upgrading to ext4
[02:11] <Bigshot_> does anyone know how can i "enable" ubuntu to detect my "Hardware Drivers"?
[02:12] <aprilhare> no idea about your problem sorry
[02:12] <aprilhare> sh -c 'test -e /var/cache/jockey/check || exec jockey-gtk --check 60'
[02:13] <aprilhare> that might help bigdog?
[02:13] <aprilhare> bigshot even
[02:13] <Bigshot_> ok aprildog
[02:14] <aprilhare> hukhukhuk
[02:14] <aprilhare> y
[02:14] <aprilhare> y'all
[02:14] <Bigshot_> doesn't work
[02:15] <aprilhare> that should have done something "Check for new hardware drivers" it was
[02:16] <stpere> ah the dreaded "doesn't work" answer that doesn't say anything
[02:16] <stpere> :)
[02:16] <Bigshot_> stpere: what do you want?
[02:16] <Bigshot_> i just installed RC
[02:16] <Bigshot_> on tx2z touch screen tablet
[02:16] <stpere> nothing
[02:17] <stpere> just recalling similar things from work
[02:17] <Bigshot_> it did detect Hardware on Live CD but not on harddisk install
[02:18] <aprilhare> report as bug
[02:18] <Bigshot_> oh c'mon there must be some way out of it
[02:18] <aprilhare> yes. of course. but i don't know it
[02:18] <Bigshot_> command to directly extrat the drivers from the cd
[02:18] <Bigshot_> extract**
[02:19] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: i don't know it all. unless paid to know it all, then I know it all.
[02:19] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Graphics card drivers?
[02:19] <aprilhare> :)
[02:19] <Bigshot_> yeah Jordan_U
[02:19] <Bigshot_> and broadcom driver
[02:20] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Did you try to enable the graphics drivers on the liveCD before installing?
[02:20] <Bigshot_> yeah
[02:20] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:21] <aprilhare> system-administration-hardware drivers
[02:21] <aprilhare> what do you see when you go there Bigshot?
[02:21] <Bigshot_> Jordan_U: i dont' have one
[02:21] <Bigshot_> it's not created
[02:23] <aprilhare> maybe the repos aren't set up right
[02:23] <Jordan_U> Bigshot_: Can you file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug jockey-gtk" ?
[02:23] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: check your repos
[02:24] <Bigshot_> nah too much trouble Jordan_U
[02:27] <aprilhare> Bigshot_: ubuntu only improves with bug reports. but anyhow: did you check your repos?
[02:27] <Bigshot_> internet not working
[02:27] <Bigshot_> no repos
[02:27] <aprilhare> hmmmmmmmm
[02:32] <jschall> how can i change which kwallet kopete uses?
[02:33] <traskbryant> How do I cleanup /var/cache? It's holding up about 3gb of space.
[02:35] <traskbryant> Solved: "apt-get clean"
[02:42] <Byron> If I want to separate '/' from '/home', how much space does '/' need?
[02:43] <test34> Byron, how big is your HD ?
[02:43] <Byron> 1TB
[02:43] <ransom> byron: remember that most of your apps are stored under /usr
[02:43] <ransom> byron: so leave enough room in / to store all your apps
[02:43] <DanaG> hmm, 30 gigs is a good amount.  20 is a bit of a minimum for me, since I install lots of stuff.
[02:44] <DanaG> Might as well go with 50, if you can afford it, perhaps.
[02:44] <Byron> From running "du -sm /* | sort -rn", I just saw that /usr is 3.5GB
[02:44] <ransom> byron: if you play games under wine or some linux native stuff (enemy territory, unreal) then you need a little extra space
[02:45] <test34> 15gb would be plenty for me Byron .. but since you have 1tb you might want to have a little more
[02:45] <nxnn14> Hi i have been running karmic for a while and update it daily. When I updated it today it asked me to restart and now the computer will not boot. The only way I can get it to boot is to go back to previous kernel 12, but there still seems to be problems. The error that i get for the 14 kernel says grep: not found as well.
[02:45] <DanaG> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:45] <DanaG> /dev/sda6              22G   13G  7.8G  63% /
[02:45] <Byron> I don't think I have Unreal or Enemy Territory installed. Not sure why it's up so high. How about I give it 20GB?
[02:45] <DanaG> that's my system with lots of stuff.
[02:45] <webbb82> is there anyway to get xorg.conf back so i can edit stuff
[02:45] <DanaG> Perhaps go 25.
[02:45] <DanaG> Or 22.
[02:46] <Byron> 25GB sounds good
[02:46] <webbb82> its seems like alot of fixes have xorg.conf involved
[02:46] <Byron> \/home is currently just under 500GB
[02:46] <Byron> Err, my '/home' is currently just under 500GB
[02:46] <test34> the more space you have the more space you use
[02:47] <Byron> Yeah, I've noticed. But it's hard to use it lately since the computer freezes.
[02:47] <nxnn14> Also, sometimes when I boot into the newest kernel instead of showing an error it simply hangs at the splash screen and it never moves past it
[02:47] <takamarou> Hi.  I recently (accidentaly) updated to karmic.  I have a second HD that I have routinely mounted with the command 'sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/data -t ntfs-3g'  After upgrading to karmic I now get the error Failed to write lock '/dev/sdb1' : Resource temporarily unavailable     and two other similar messages.  Any ideas?
[02:49] <webbb82> so before what i did was just make a xorg.conf file but after doing that and a reboot i couldnt login to my computer it would just dump me out into tty
[02:49] <Byron> Here's my plan of attack. I'm currently on a LiveCD of 7.10. I want to partition a 25GB portion and set that as '/', then keep the current partition, but remove everything with the exception of /home as I will just copy over the 'byron' folder as the 'root' folder to this current partition.
[02:49] <Byron> Will that work?
[02:50] <nxnn14> Anyone have any ideas on how to troubleshoot my problem of karmic not booting after my update today?
[02:51] <Docteh> and you're going to mount that as /home/byron?
[02:51] <Byron> Docteh: No, as just /byron
[02:51] <Docteh> ah, you'll have to edit your user account somehow to reflect the new home direcory
[02:52] <Byron> What if I just do a fresh install without formatting what will be the future partition of /home/byron?
[02:53] <Docteh> if you make a file system you can mount it there
[02:53] <Docteh> either inside the installer or editing /etc/fstab afterwards
[02:53] <Byron> right now, I just wish I had another 1TB drive to do all of this and then just move everything over.
[02:56] <Byron> I have 1 HDD that isn't being used because of a bad formatting which I thought was successfully backed up.
[02:56] <Byron> I'm saving up to get that data restored. Mostly pictures from my trips, but they are found nowhere else.
[02:57] <test34> Byron, that sounds like a #ubuntu problem
[02:57] <Byron> Which one?
[02:57] <test34> Byron, all your problems
[02:57] <Byron> Yeah, they are, but I'm trying to figure something out for Karmic
[02:59] <Byron> 6.06-7.04 were great on my desktop.  I can load 7.10, but USB xfer fails just as if I were on 9.04.
[02:59] <test34> byron, just backup everything and format everything
[02:59] <Byron> I'm just hoping that the new release will solve (at least) the constant freezing of my desktop. I can deal with the dropped network and failed USB xfers then.
[03:01] <Bigshot_> ok i blacklisted some b43 drivers and it is detecting broadcom drivers
[03:01] <Bigshot_> but from where will it install? from internet or cd?
[03:01] <SpacePigeon> what tells the system if a folder is the default documents folder or if it is not?
[03:03] <Byron> test34: I can't backup to anything. USB and Network just drop randomly.
[03:03] <aprilhare> what do i get if i install grub2? a splash screen?..
[03:03] <aprilhare> whats the inducement
[03:04] <test34> Byron, dvd burner?
[03:04] <Byron> Is there a way that I can determine if my hardware will be supported in Karmic?
[03:04] <Byron> test34: Not enough DVDs to make a backup of 500GB.
[03:05] <test34> Byron, get the live cd
[03:05] <IdleOne> Byron: make 250 Ubuntu One accounts :)
[03:05] <IdleOne> ermmm no don't do that
[03:05] <Byron> test34: LiveCD or not, USB fails and the network drops.
[03:06] <Byron> IdleOne: Not that I can. I have some files that are over 4GB in size
[03:06] <Byron> I have an account with adrive.com, but that's only 50GB
[03:06] <test34> Byron, ??? so what if you know your hardware is going to work, you still need to download it
[03:07] <test34> Byron, order a free dvd and wait 4-6 weeks if you can't d/l it anywhere else
[03:07] <Byron> test34: I'm in the process of getting the packages. I was on 523 out of 1318 last time.
[03:09] <SpacePigeon> Can somebody tell me how should I specify a Documents folder in my home? (I want it to recieve the default Home Documents icon)
[03:12] <DanaG> Byron: hmm, how was that data lost?
[03:13] <DanaG> If it's just partition-table breakage, testdisk can fix that.  If it's been mkfs.ext3'd over, then that's different. :(
[03:13] <jschall> flash sound isn't working in firefox, kubuntu rc amd64. how can i fix?
[03:13] <jschall> also flash isn't working reliably at all in konqueror
[03:14] <Byron> DanaG: I had data on a 500GB HDD which was shared with XP. I got this new 1TB for Kubuntu alone. I thought I had a successful backup as I saw files in the backup location. I put the old HDD to do a quick format of ext3 to NTFS. Didn't find out the backup files were all zero bytes.
[03:14] <DanaG> Hmm, quick-format NTFS shouldn't be too horribly destructive.
[03:14] <jschall> actually wait, flash sound isn't working at all now
[03:14] <jschall> it was before
[03:14] <DanaG> Try running TestDisk on the thing.
[03:14] <Byron> I've taken my drive to one location and they want $1200 USD to restore the data
[03:14] <DanaG> That is, you put ntfs over ext3?
[03:15] <Byron> Yes, NTFS over ext3
[03:15] <DanaG> The other way around would be the bad one.
[03:15] <DanaG> Ah, then try testdisk on it.
[03:15] <DanaG> !info testdisk
[03:15] <DanaG> Run it from a place where you want to copy files to.
[03:17] <Byron> I think I'm going to buy two 1TB drives. One for the backup and the other for the storage of my video collection. I was using my desktop to keep my movie ISO's so I can load them remotely on my shuttle in my bedroom. My whole DVD collection at the touch of a button.
[03:17] <jimpop> Jordan_U_, still around?
[03:17] <jschall> anyone else with flash sound issues?
[03:17] <Jordan_U_> jimpop: no
[03:17] <Jordan_U_> jimpop: :)
[03:18] <Byron> DanaG: Originally, I had an ISO of the drive stored on my 1TB, but that didn't work when I tried to use foremost on it
[03:20] <DanaG> ah, testdisk works differently -- it tries to fix the filesystem, rather than the individual files.
[03:24] <Byron> DanaG: Thanks. I will try that tomorrow. Right now, I'm at 942 packages out of 1318. If i can get the last few packages downloaded and then upgrade to Karmic, I can see if maybe I'm just using old technology in my desktop.
[03:24] <DanaG> Well, I hope it goes well.
[03:25] <jschall> what's wrong with sound in flash?
[03:25] <Byron> Me too. For the past few releases, I hope they solve my issues. I'm guessing now it's just my old technology. If that's the case, I'll leave this desktop to my XP which I currently only use for my X-Plane flight simulator and Quicken for online banking.
[03:26] <jschall> woah, if i run pavucontrol, i can see that there is playback from flash, but it's not getting to the speakers apparently.
[03:26] <BullHorn> why does linux break so easily
[03:26] <BullHorn> ._.
[03:27] <jschall> hmm, my sound is completely screwed
[03:27] <BullHorn> same
[03:27] <BullHorn> sudo alsa force-reload makes it work again
[03:28] <BullHorn> but i didnt do nothing in the first place to break it
[03:29] <jschall> same
[03:29] <BullHorn> its good that we agree on this :<
[03:29] <BullHorn> this has to be some sort of bug,do you have the time to file it?
[03:29] <jschall> someone else already filed it i think
[03:30] <jschall> i found it a second ago
[03:30] <BullHorn> oh, really? umm
[03:30] <BullHorn> show it to me please
[03:32] <jschall> i can't find it...
[03:32] <jschall> it was specific to flash anyway
[03:33] <BullHorn> oh
[03:33] <BullHorn> this is definitely not specific to flash here
[03:33] <jschall> yeah mine isn't specific to flash any more
[03:33] <BullHorn> everything in lspci and aplay look okay but in the gnome gui for sound setting, it finds no soundcard untill i force-reload it each boot
[03:33] <jschall> i ran "sudo apt-get install pulseaudio" and then restarted and now all my sound is broken, so now i'm going to try removing pulseaudio
[03:36] <Barridus> i'm noticing an icon in the notify area (by where the wifi signal and battery meter) that looks like a padlock and mousing over it says something like "drop all elevated priviledges".  what does that mean and why did it go away?
[03:36] <Byron> It's an odd moment, to say the least, when you 'sudo reboot' and the computer freezes as you hit Enter.
[03:40] <jschall> ok, so my problem with flash was that my pcm volume somehow got turned down to 0 and amarok and other programs apparently ignore the pcm volume
[03:40] <jschall> but flash didn't
[03:40] <jschall> so my sound is working perfectly now
[03:40] <xiambax> ahem, incase yall didnt know. U2 is live on youtube in 20 mins. youtube.com/u2
[03:40] <xiambax> i know its off topic but its hella neat
[03:41] <DanaG> That "drop all privileges" thing bugs me too.... no matter which button you click it with, it does the same thing.
[03:41] <DanaG> Doesn't that violate all sorts of UI guidelines?
[03:41] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: When you enter your password for anything the authentication will be saved for 15 minutes by default so you don't have to enter it multiple times in a short period, that lock icon allows you to explicitly drop that saved authentication
[03:41] <DanaG> Still, it should do something different upon right-click!
[03:43] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, i figured, but good to know for sure since i've never seen that before in previous ubuntus.  thanks for the response
[03:43] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It's part of phasing out gksudo and replacing it with policykit
[03:44] <Barridus> oh really?  kind of a big change right?
[03:45] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It requires signifigant changes to applications, but it's happening app by app. So it depends on what you mean by a big change
[03:46] <Barridus> oh, so gksu and policykit will co-exist for a while then (possibly forever depending on a user's needs)
[03:46] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: It's been progressing slowly for a while now https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/killall-gksudo
[03:47] <Barridus> always interesting to get inside perspective on where ubuntu's going
[03:47] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: Yes, but hopefully soon all of the applications Ubuntu comes with by default will be using policykit
[03:48] <Barridus> right, and gksu will only be needed for legacy/unsupported things
[03:48] <chu_> 620 updates :D Have the repos been frozen in preparation for the 29th?
[03:49] <Barridus> oh wait, Jordan_U_ , that was you that replied to my grub2 timeout post the other day, correct?
[03:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireshark/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INVALID&field.status%3Alist=WONTFIX&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&as
[03:50] <DanaG> gaack
[03:50] <DanaG> stupid long URL.
[03:50] <DanaG> Lots of "can't find interfaces if not run as root" there.
[03:50] <DanaG> And they say "okay, then run it as root".
[03:50] <DanaG> And now... they've removed the "run as root"!
[03:50] <ken> hi all, just a little confused over the ext 4 and grub2 upgrade . I have an ext3 system on sda and was going to upgrade sdb to ext4 with 9.10. If I clean install will this install grub2 and boot my sda drive.
[03:52] <Barridus> yes, it should.  however it's been said that you won't gain all the performance gains of ext4 if upgraded instead of wiped/clean installed (i can't confirm, i just read that somewere)
[03:52] <Jordan_U_> ken: If you do a clean install to sdb grub2 will be installed and have menu entries for sda, yes
[03:53] <Jordan_U_> ken: And ( though it's hidden under a small "advanced" button ) there is an option during install for which drive's mbr grub should install to
[03:54] <Byron> how do I get the netbook version of Karmic?
[03:54] <Byron> I'm going to do the netbook upgrade to this netbook while awaiting for the desktop to get all of the packages.
[03:55] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, i tried your grub2 tip you posted in response to my timeout/default issue and nothing changed at all ("echo "set timeout=${GRUB_TIMEOUT}"" etc)  any ideas?
[03:55] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[03:57] <Barridus> sure, sec
[03:57] <mersault> holy crap, I finally got my HVM guest converted to PV successfully!
[03:57] <Barridus> !paste
[03:57] <ken> Is it recemended to do a clean install this time vs an upgrade. I took it that if I do an upgrade then ext4 and grub2 will not be used. Is this correct.
[03:57] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: You might want to figure out why /etc/init.d/grub-common isn't recording success ( or rather removing failure ) to boot
[03:58] <Jordan_U_> ken: If you upgrade you will not automatically be upgraded to ext4 and grub2, but you can do both yourself without reinstalling
[03:59] <Barridus> Jordan_U_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/301740/
[03:59] <Barridus> i think figuring that out is beyond my abilities atm
[03:59] <grodius> hey where might i find where to change the animated bootsplash
[04:00] <Barridus> i'm considering going back to grub-legacy for a while and revisit grub2
[04:00] <ken> thanks Jordan-u, I take it then a hard format  is not required to go to ext4. It is file system software upgrade.
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Barridus: You might want to figure out why /etc/init.d/grub-common isn't recording success ( or rather removing failure ) to boot
[04:04] <Barridus> Jordan_U, any idea where to start?  or should i just retreat to grub-legacy
[04:05] <jschall> xiambax: well its a good thing i got my flash sound working again
[04:05] <xiambax> this is hella cool
[04:05] <xiambax> but my system is laggin
[04:05] <xiambax> i dunno if its just me or all of youtube.
[04:06] <Lapinux> anyone else have a problem browsing a windows network via "places -->network" ?
[04:07] <ken> will grub-legacy boot an ext4 system
[04:08] <kruykaze> in nautilus i can't select a folder by typing the frist letters in it's name . is it working for you guys?
[04:09] <Barridus> Jordan_U, any idea where to start on figuring out the error/success retention?  or should i just retreat to grub-legacy
[04:09] <cowbud> ken: only if someone backported support and it doesn't look like it, but in karmic grub2 is standard. The way to get it to boot is to put your /boot dir on a separate ext2/3 partition from what I see
[04:09] <Barridus> or rather, why even after clearing the error another one is generated next time?  (i think *that* is really what's going on)
[04:11] <ken> ok, so if grub2 is installed in the mbr of sda, which will be the ext3 system, then all is ok.
[04:12] <kruykaze> in nautilus i can't select a folder by typing the first letters in it's name . this started with karmic
[04:12] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: The idea is that every boot grub sets recordfail before loading the kernel, then during boot ( if the os boots sucessfully ) that recordfail is removed
[04:12] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: The upstart script that removes the recordfail flag is /etc/init.d/grub-common
[04:13] <billybigrigger> anyone here installed kubuntu-desktop yet in karmic?
[04:13] <Jordan_U_> Barridus: If your grubenv currently has recordfail in it try running "sudo invoke-rc.d grub-common start" and see if that removes it
[04:13] <billybigrigger> i installed kde beside gnome, used kdm as my login manager, and now when i log into gnome it uses kde's mouse theme
[04:15] <cowbud> ken: well if you are using grub2 you should be fine in general..
[04:15] <Tamagotono_> anyone know how to disable switching desktops with the mousewheel in Kubuntu?
[04:26] <Tamagotono_> do I know how to kill a conversation or what?...  :)
[04:26] <jschall> kwin compositing occasionally (not always) switches to "temporarily disabled" when i run diablo 2 with wine. When i exit diablo 2, they don't come back. If i try to manually start them, i get a solid white screen and nothing else. is there a solution to this?
[04:27] <nxnn14> Hi I was wondering if anyone knew how to go about fixing the error "/scripts/init-top/brltty: 19: grep: not found" when I boot up. If I got back a couple of kernels there is no issue. Further if I wait a long time an error comes up that says /dev/disk/by-uuid/(long id) does not exist. any ideas?
[04:28] <Tamagotono_> anyone here using kdevelop4?
[04:29] <darthanubis> anyone notice they are unable to browse the "windows network" in nautilus?
[04:34] <nxnn14> What is the difference between the kernel labeled 14 and the one labeled 12? Is there good reason to be able to boot in 12 but not 13 or 14?
[04:38] <darthanubis> nxnn14, really?
[04:39] <nxnn14> darthanubis: really what?
[04:41] <nxnn14> darthanubis: my karmic installation was working perfectly for a couple of weeks now. Today I ran an update and now it will not boot using the 14 or 13 kernel, but it will boot and work fairly normally with 12
[04:42] <darthanubis> you definately want the -14 kernel
[04:43] <nxnn14> darthanubis: i figured so, any suggestions on how to get it to work/why it wouldnt work after an update?
[04:44] <Tamagotono_> nxnn14: There are probably some needed packages that didnt get upgraded when you did the last update.  Give it a bit and try updating again, it will likely work properly in 14 again.
[04:46] <Byron> I can't seem to get past package 1293. Is there a way of seeing what it is?
[04:46] <nxnn14> tamagotono: interesting. thank you for the help hopefully it work again in 14, at least it works in 12 for now tho. The error that it ultimately gives has to do with grep not found and /dev/disk/by-uuid/(long id) does not exist...does that mean anything to anyone
[04:48] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Probably means something is wrong with your initramfs, try reinstalling 14 which will regenerate the initramfs
[04:49] <darthanubis> anyone notice they are unable to browse the "windows network" in nautilus?
[04:49] <nxnn14> jordan_U: thank you I appreciate the suggestion...is that something I can do in synaptic or is there a command for it
[04:49] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You should be able to do it in synaptic
[04:50] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok I tried removing and reinstalling it earlier and it doesnt seem to have made a difference although I could always try again
[04:51] <darthanubis> maybe we should be using smb4 instead?
[04:54] <jschall> my pcm mixer setting keeps getting reset to 0 on reboot.
[04:54] <Byron> I have 21 packages left. 1293 to 1318. Package 1293 has taken up 53% of the current download.
[04:55] <Byron> Are bigger packages held onto the end? Can I find out what package 1293 is and its actual time/size left for downloading?
[05:00] <darthanubis> jschall, I just fixed mine. use gnome-alsa to set your levels, then paste this in a terminal "sudo alsactl store" reboot
[05:01] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I tried reinstalling and also removing and then installing and it still doesnt boot into 14, thanks for helping though
[05:04] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Can you try booting once with -14 replacing the root=UUID=uuid-string with root=/dev/sdxx ( where xx is replaced to match your root partition ). If it boots successfully please file a bug report with "ubuntu-bug linux" and make it clear in your bug report description that the root= change was temporary
[05:05] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: That is, run "ubuntu-bug linux" while booted into -14 if possible
[05:05] <centaur5> With the terrible problems between the new xorg versions on Jaunty and Karmic and the radeon drivers does Ubuntu update new drivers every month or only every .04 and .10 release?
[05:05] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I am not great with this what is it exactly that you want me to do....sorry i am a noob
[05:07] <cellofellow> what happenned to the old gdmsetup, where I could specify things like the theme, the users that showed in the list, XDMCP, and all the goodies? Now all I can set is the auto login.
[05:07] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np. Do you know about linux device names like /dev/sda1 ?
[05:07] <Jordan_U> cellofellow: Complete rewrite of GDM
[05:07] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yes that is actually the name for my root partition
[05:07] <cellofellow> are all those options gone, or do I now have to muck around in a config file?
[05:09] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Good. When you get to the grub menu you can select an entry for a kernel and press 'e' to edit that entry, you want to specifically change what parameters are passed to the linux kernel.
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: o, cool ya I am there
[05:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Find where it says something like root=UUID=4321b754-1c79-4a3b-9f42-cd4075baaf12 and replace it with root=/dev/sda1
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: so edit the uuid to be /dev/sda1?
[05:10] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: thank you
[05:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Remove the "UUID=" also
[05:12] <Byron> The downloads are finally done \o/
[05:12] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: wow, nice work so it boots now with your changes and seems to be working fairly normally, my fan is going crazy but the computer is working fine
[05:13] <Byron> But of course, the computer freezes now :(
[05:14] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Please run "ubuntu-bug linux" so that this bug can possibly be fixed ( it will also give you usefull information for troubleshooting )
[05:14] <Byron> How do I continue an interrupted upgrade?
[05:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: also boot time was much slower than usual...I didn't ltime it but you get the point
[05:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: in the process of doing that...what exactly is the bug I guess...like what should I title it and put in the summary?
[05:15] <cellofellow> oh, I see, there is no config utility at all in GDM anymore and the gdmsetup in Ubuntu is Ubuntu-specific. Well, lovely. I suppose the GNOME folks just assume no one actually configures their login screen or something?
[05:15] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Does the directory /dev/disk/by-uuid/ exist right now?
[05:16] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yup it does
[05:16] <bullgard4> Jordan_U: Yes it does.
[05:17] <Byron> I seem to be locked out from accessing a GUI and the TTY is of little help. How can I continue to interrupted upgrade via TTY?
[05:18] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, if you run ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid does it show a UUID string pointing to /dev/sda1 ?
[05:18] <Byron> s/to/an
[05:18] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: yes
[05:19] <Byron> wow. TTY freezes, too. :'(
[05:19] <virtuald> cellofellow: You'd run gnome-appearance-properties as the gdm user when you're logged out
[05:19] <virtuald> Heh
[05:20] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, then name your bug something like "initramfs fails to find root filesystem by UUID since 2.6.31-13-generic"
[05:20] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok, should it be 12 though, because 13 wouldn't boot either just 12
[05:21] <dm__> What is DesktopCouch?
[05:22] <traskbryant> I was wondering the same as dm__ :\
[05:22] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: for some reason it will not send the report and I run ubuntu-bug linux...the progress bar fills u mainly but then it sits and does nothing for a while
[05:22] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Make sure you mention that to work around it you changed root= to use /dev/sda1 instead of a UUID ( Otherwise they might be confused to see root=/dev/sda1 in the debug information sent by ubuntu-bug )
[05:23] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok I will include that
[05:23] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Launchpad is down for scheduled maintainance right now, try in an hour or so
[05:23] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: And please tell me the bug number so I can follow it
[05:24] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: o, good answer I was worried it was me perfect. Thank you for your help! you are a lifesaver! Definitely i will post it here once it is filed later tonight
[05:24] <traskbryant> dm__, "This is Desktop Couch, an infrastructure to place a CouchDB on every desktop
[05:24] <traskbryant> and provide APIs and management tools for applications to store data within
[05:24] <traskbryant> it and share that data between computers and to the cloud."
[05:24] <traskbryant> Sorry, didn't know that would past multiple lines >__<
[05:25] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np, would you like to make that change permanent untill the bug is fixed?
[05:25] <dm__> ah cloud stuff
[05:25] <traskbryant> dm__, yeah. It sounded cool when I saw it update :P
[05:25] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: would there be any reason not to? in other words does it harm anything, bc i may as well be using 14 if there is not difference in the way that it loads
[05:26] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: No reason not to temporarily, it's just that device names can change during major upgrades or if you add a new drive / change drive order. UUIDs never change.
[05:27] <dm__> Anyone else having issues with hibernate and suspend still? 3 days to launch and its still crashing
[05:27] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: So you should go back to UUIDs when the bug is fixed ( and check every once in a while to see if it has been fixed by booting by UUID )
[05:27] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: gotcha ya if you could walk me through making it permanent that would be great. I should be able to change it back to uuid if that gets working at some point
[05:28] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: "gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub" uncomment "GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true" save and run "sudo update-grub"
[05:29] <nxnn14> Jordan_U:hmmmm that file appears to be empty actually
[05:30] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Did you upgrade from jaunty or was this a fresh install of Karmic?
[05:30] <nxnn14> upgraded from jaunty
[05:31] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, then you aren't using grub2
[05:31] <heshan> I cannot still see my video drivers is correctly loaded ny 9.10, I did was, upgrade from 9.04, how can I fix video issue on my nx-7300 laptop?
[05:31] <nxnn14> Jordan_U:  should I/ how do I change that?
[05:32] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: I think there is a way to disable UUIDs in grub legacy but I can't remember how
[05:33] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You can upgrade to grub2 but you don't need to
[05:33] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: is it worthwhile?
[05:33] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: I think so
[05:34] <virtuald> Grub2 is slower
[05:34] <darthanubis> 4 ubuntu 9.10 machines can't browse the samba network but a virtual XP and a Windows7 can. The none of the Windows boxes are sharing. All shares are via the ubuntu boxes.
[05:34] <nxnn14> jordan_U: is that done through synaptic or how do I upgrade?
[05:34] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[05:34] <darthanubis> findsnb sees the shares and they can be connected via ip address. But no browsing via Dolphin or Nautilus
[05:35] <darthanubis> I wonder if it is my router? But why would my router cause an issue with the linuxes boxes only?
[05:36] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: You can upgrade by installing the package "grub2"
[05:36] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: simple as that? sounds good to me
[05:37] <darthanubis> gvfs?
[05:38] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: One difference that's actually an Ubuntu thing and not a change in grub2 per se, with karmic grub is set to not show any menu by default unless you dual boot, so if you want to see the menu you need to hold down shift during boot
[05:38] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok thank you I appreciate the heads up
[05:39] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np
[05:50] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: sorry to keep bothering but I install grub2 and now when I boot it says error 15 when grub is loadinf
[05:51] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[05:56] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and make sure the correct drive is selected to install grub to the MBR of
[05:56] <Byron> I'm trying to upgrade to karmic, but these 2 packages are causing an issue of error code (1): libgnomevfs2-common_1%3a2.24.2-1ubuntu1_all.deb libgnome2-common_2.28.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[05:57] <nxnn14> jordan_U_: how do I get a command prompt to run that in?
[05:57]  * Jordan_U_ should have realized that
[05:57] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Do you have a LiveCD?
[05:58] <nxnn14> I have a usb drive that has grml on it from testing something earlier would that work?
[05:58] <Jordan_U_> nxnn14: Yes
[05:58] <Shtl>  i want to download the ubuntu Karmic repositories only with deb mirror, how can i do this please????
[05:58] <Shtl> only Karmic
[05:59] <hadean> Can someone tell me why i cant make a window taller than 1 monitor?
[06:00] <hadean> since the karmic update *
[06:00] <hadean> worked with jaunty
[06:01] <hadean> twinview powered by the last nv driver
[06:01]  * xiambax updates nightly
[06:01] <nxnn14> Jordan_U_: what command do I use within grml
[06:03] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt && sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo chroot /mnt dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc"
[06:03] <DanaG> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, why can't polkit remember stuff?
[06:03] <alyssum> I am planning to install Karmic on a dedicated partition, I already have Jaunty running on another with Grub Legacy.  I want to know if I should upgrade to Grub2 in Jaunty first before installing Karmic, or let Karmic do everything.  It's quite important that I do not corrupt my MBR because I don't have a CD rom to boot up from (I do installs directly from the HD).  Any advice?
[06:03] <DanaG> I don't want to have to enter my password every durn time I change governors with cpufreq-applet!
[06:04] <Jordan_U> alyssum: You don't need to upgrade to grub2 on jaunty first
[06:06] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: it says unknown filesystem type 'ext 4'
[06:07] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Shoot, that version of grml doesn't support ext4 yet I guess
[06:07] <xiambax> wiiiiith or without you!
[06:08] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: I hate to keep asking questions but what else is easy to load onto a usb to boot live from or what other options to I have. I dont have an optical drive in this computer
[06:08] <alyssum> jordan_U: ok, does it matter if I have ext4?  i heard grub and ext4 have some problems?  because jaunty is on ext4, my home partition is ext3, and my karmic partition will be ext4 too.
[06:09] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Don't apologize, I'm the one that got you into this mess :)
[06:10] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Grub shouldn't have any problems with ext4 as long as you use a recent version ( doesn't need to be grub2, jaunty and karmic's grub legacy support ext4 )
[06:11] <Jordan_U> alyssum: Floppy drive?
[06:11] <alyssum> Jordan_U: i assume that msg was for me.  thanks.  well, then i'm going to jump straight in with Karmic...wish me luck!
[06:11] <alyssum> Jordan_U: no...if this goes bad...my only option will be doing a PXE boot
[06:12] <xiambax> Karmic is nice. trust me
[06:12] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Do you have a floppy drive?
[06:13] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: no, unfortunately not
[06:13] <xiambax> could you not boot from usb?
[06:14] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: You can put the karmic liveCD onto a usb drive with unetbootin
[06:14] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: ok ill try that
[06:15] <xiambax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/usb-creator
[06:15] <alyssum> xiambax: i think nxnn14 has usb boot...but i don't.
[06:15] <xiambax> you installin on a netbook or somethin?
[06:17] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[06:17] <alyssum> xiambax: no, just an old laptop.  that's barely limping along.
[06:18] <xiambax> dead whale down a beach
[06:18] <xiambax> i get it :D
[06:18] <xiambax> mac or pc?
[06:18] <xiambax> if its a mac you could target disk it
[06:19] <xiambax> what type of laptop is it
[06:19] <xiambax> maybe you can change the bios to allow boot from usb
[06:19] <alyssum> xiambax: no, it's pc (toshiba).  technically i can boot from SD disk but no driver support in linux.  i wonder if i can recover grub with it though?
[06:20] <xiambax> you should be able to boot to SD disk for the duration of the install
[06:20] <alyssum> xiambax: i did try to look for a bios firmware update before but don't think it's supports usb booting
[06:20] <xiambax> just make sure you write to internal hd
[06:20] <alyssum> xiambax: yeah, i'll keep that in mind.
[06:20] <xiambax> i like macs
[06:20] <xiambax> you can put them into target disk mode
[06:20] <xiambax> and connect one mac via firmware cable
[06:21] <xiambax> and be able to access the disk drive and hard drive from it over firewire
[06:21] <xiambax> its pretty neat
[06:21] <Jordan_U> alyssum: You should be able to install GRUB2 to the SD card
[06:21] <almoxarife> need help with volume applet , sound is configured for alsa as default, volume applet no worky
[06:21] <alyssum> xiambax: cool.  ok, i'm off to try this.  Jordan_U: thx
[06:23] <almoxarife> no takers
[06:23] <almoxarife> not good
[06:23] <xiambax> and this little piggie went wee wee wee all the way home
[06:23] <xiambax> jk
[06:23] <xiambax> remove the applet and re add it
[06:24] <xiambax> if that doesnt resolve the issue lemme know
[06:24] <almoxarife> done it, no worky
[06:24] <xiambax> also check to see if your speakers are on and eliminate all obvious things
[06:24] <almoxarife> speakers work fine
[06:24] <Jordan_U> alyssum: Actually, grub would load fine, but I'm not sure how you would install it to the card without linux drivers
[06:24] <xiambax> run alsa mixer?
[06:24] <almoxarife> alsa mixer works fine
[06:25] <almoxarife> I can control the volume fine, just not thru volume applet
[06:25] <xiambax> have you updated lately?
[06:25] <almoxarife> yeap, updated
[06:25] <xiambax> reboot after update?
[06:26] <almoxarife> multiple reboots
[06:26] <almoxarife> :)
[06:26] <xiambax> does it lock up or just not work?
[06:26] <almoxarife> problem only exists in karmic
[06:27] <almoxarife> just not work
[06:28] <xiambax> im reading
[06:28] <xiambax> some people say they reinstall pulseaudio and it resolves it
[06:28] <xiambax> do i dunno
[06:28] <xiambax> s/so
[06:28] <xiambax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/401294
[06:28] <xiambax> thats a duplication thing
[06:28] <xiambax> but it addresses some other things
[06:29] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Still there?
[06:29] <nxnn14> jordan_u:ya
[06:29] <nxnn14> but not for much longer
[06:30] <almoxarife> pulse is not uninstalled
[06:30] <almoxarife> pulse is not started
[06:30] <localnnuser__> hello guys, could someone help me and paste a default smb.conf?
[06:30] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: Ok, if you need more help I'll be here tomorrow, and #grub is very helpfull ( but they only support GRUB2 )
[06:32] <nxnn14> Jordan_U: thank you very much for all of your help I will update you tomorrow with my progress on getting everything working
[06:32] <Jordan_U> nxnn14: np
[06:33] <almoxarife> sending file localnnuser__
[06:33] <xiambax> its a long shot but maybe try deleting a sound related file from .gconf/desktop/gnome/
[06:33] <xiambax> test with another user to see if its user specific maybe
[06:33] <xiambax> if it is
[06:34] <xiambax> then you know for sure pulling a config file will resolve it
[06:37] <julien> any easy way to enable xdmc ?
[06:37] <julien> ubuntu thinking of putting  pciehp as a module ?
[06:37] <vox> this isnt meant to start a flame-war or anything, but does flash actually work/is stable in karmic?
[06:37] <julien> i have a laptop i always have to recomplite for my pcexpress cards
[06:37] <julien> recompile*
[06:38] <lucent> julien: why?
[06:38] <almoxarife> flash works fine on my toshiba laptop
[06:38] <julien> pciehp == pciE hotplug
[06:38] <xiambax> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/index.html
[06:38] <julien> it needs a parameter to detect new card in hotswap
[06:38] <lucent> julien: I reported a similar bug in launchpad
[06:38] <julien> well it s not really a bug, but a feature
[06:39] <lucent> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/371434
[06:40] <julien> and why ubuntu disables xdcmp that s a greatest feauture of X11 ..compared to windows
[06:40] <julien> i use unix since 1995
[06:40] <julien> X11 i mean
[06:41] <julien> they are making it too much windows like
[06:41] <julien> too many restrictions
[06:42] <lucent> julien: please comment on the bug if you can
[06:42] <lucent> ok?
[06:42] <julien> ok
[06:42] <almoxarife> anyone else tried the Option 		"AccelMethod" 		"uxa" , did you notice any diff?
[06:42] <lucent> almoxarife: it's on by default now, no need to specify it - I think?
[06:42] <lucent> only for Intel
[06:42] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: UXA is all there is in karmic
[06:43] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: EXA was killed upstream
[06:43] <almoxarife> ok, been using it since jaunty
[06:43] <SandGorgon> hi guys.. anybody know how to connect to a Win2003 server over RDP + SSL ? I can connect to non-ssl RDP machines just fine.
[06:44] <lucent> SandGorgon: good question to ask rdp implementation authors
[06:44] <lucent> not here...  I don't think you would find an answer as quickly
[06:45] <SandGorgon> lucent, sigh... i'm badly stuck bcos of this.
[06:45] <almoxarife> http://thelazyadmin.com/blogs/thelazyadmin/archive/2007/01/26/Configure-RDP-over-SSL-with-SelfSSL.aspx ????
[06:47] <SandGorgon> almoxarife, yup that is a WinXP based tutorial
[06:47] <SandGorgon> i would like to stay on linux
[06:48] <lucent> julien: I am interested to find the cause of the pcie hotplug inconsistencies
[06:48] <almoxarife> SandGorgon: I will admit it, I have no idea what you are trying to do, and I pulled a google search, good luck
[06:48] <lucent> julien: how interested are you?
[06:49] <julien> well it s not a bug, it s a feature that has to be put by ubuntu as a default
[06:49] <julien> its the same problem for all laptops
[06:49] <cowbud> almoxarife: it almost looks like yuo can compile rdesktop with ssl support..
[06:49] <lucent> julien: it's not right what you are saying
[06:50] <julien> its like shipping a linux without pcmcia back a days !
[06:50] <lucent> julien: the hotplug support is determined by a check against the ACPI tables
[06:50] <lucent> julien: our laptop computers have bad ACPI data
[06:50] <lucent> so what can we do?
[06:50] <julien> mm ok
[06:50] <julien> pullout the guns
[06:51] <almoxarife> cowbud: SandGorgon is the one with the rdp issues, I would need to know what rdp over ssl was and did, then I might find a use for it
[06:51] <julien> well enable the option for now,
[06:51] <lucent> I think more about a test to see if you need the option or not
[06:51] <julien> i have no time to progm i wok alot ...
[06:51] <lucent> and put that into some page with a list of affected models
[06:51] <cowbud> alankila: ah whoops sorry
[06:51] <julien> well if its on and you dont need it, it wont hurt
[06:52] <lucent> actually it will cause data loss in a bad case
[06:52] <SandGorgon> cowbud, what is needed is RDP 5.2 protocol (which uses SSL). dunno if any client on linux supports it.
[06:52] <julien> so its a quick fix for now
[06:52] <cowbud> SandGorgon: yeah it doesn't look like it..
[06:53] <julien> what bothers me most its xdcmp disabled
[06:53] <julien> it s a shame
[06:53] <cowbud> SandGorgon: wine?
[06:53] <almoxarife> xp in a virtualbox on karmic?
[06:55] <oldude67> well i figured out what was wrong with the 2.5 gig celeron computer, the motherboard is dieing...thats why it was booting so slow.
[06:55] <alyssum> Jordan_U, xiambax: well, i made it. karmic kubuntu installed with grub2.  funny thing, it said that it detected jaunty, but it's not in the grub2 menu.
[06:56] <julien> i am stking karmic on my router
[06:56] <almoxarife> kubuntu worth the install?
[06:56] <julien> no
[06:56] <julien> kde is ugly
[06:56] <julien> (my taste)
[06:56] <almoxarife> not sexy?
[06:56] <julien> no
[06:56] <almoxarife> ic
[06:57] <oldude67> julien, i run kde and i like it.
[06:57] <julien> to much shiny stuff that crash
[06:57] <SandGorgon> cowbud, most prolly use wine .. along with maybe a terminal services client
[06:57] <almoxarife> but its shinny
[06:57] <julien> yes u can shine up gnome too
[06:57] <alyssum> almaoxarife: this is my first time trying kubuntu.  i'm a gnome fan.  it's got a lot of eye candy but also a different philosophy on ui: more is better.
[06:57] <julien> just put a theme
[06:58] <cowbud> SandGorgon: yeah that seems like the best option unfortunately
[06:58] <julien> its more for no technical ppl
[06:58] <julien> like a windows
[06:58] <cowbud> SandGorgon: it looks like even rdp5.1 isn't fully supported yet :(
[06:58] <julien> lieka vista lol
[06:58] <julien> try gnome with compiz and emerald
[06:59] <julien> cute and simple
[06:59] <julien> besides, kde is QT
[06:59] <julien> and the real QT is not even GPL!
[06:59] <SandGorgon> cowbud, true.. sigh. this now is my second gripe with enterprise support in linux (along with VB macros in OO)
[06:59] <almoxarife> emerald?
[07:00] <julien> yes windows decoration
[07:00] <almoxarife> too sexy for me, I might like it
[07:00] <julien> yes with its sranparent stuf... ;)
[07:00] <julien> trans*
[07:00] <cowbud> SandGorgon: I hear you, but then again I really don't think it is up to an enterprise edition to support all proprietary protocols. If the spec was available it would already be implemented
[07:01] <almoxarife> what really would like to do is have a working sound applet
[07:01] <julien> i hate pulse audio for that
[07:01] <julien> pure alsa is just fine !
[07:01] <julien> pulse is a copy of ESD if u remember
[07:01] <almoxarife> sure, pure alsa with no sound applet
[07:01] <julien> pure trash
[07:02] <julien> you can have it :)
[07:02] <julien> that how it was before
[07:02]  * lucent gets ready to silence the doomsayer
[07:02] <heshan> how can add support graphic drivers on my HP nx-7300
[07:02] <heshan> ?
[07:02] <heshan> I cannot see its working once I upgrade from 9.4
[07:03] <julien> lspci and see the card
[07:03] <heshan> 9.04
[07:03] <lucent> julien: I regret to inform you that you have been misinformed, and/or too lazy to check your facts. It's annoying to hear you repeat things which are untrue
[07:03] <julien> yeah yeah ...i just misunformed since the 90's thnx
[07:03] <julien> i use linux since .9
[07:03] <lucent> 1) QT is in fact fully GPL or LGPL, I forgot which one, and is dually licensed so you may pay a fee to use it commercially in a proprietary product
[07:04] <julien> no the full version of QT you have to pay to use
[07:04] <julien> even just for u
[07:05] <cowbud> you guys should battle this out in priv chat ;)
[07:05] <lucent> well it's not a battle
[07:05] <julien> no ppl need to know
[07:05] <cowbud> no they don't
[07:06] <julien> oh so ppl dont need to know,? where the hell are from ?
[07:06] <julien> microsoft?
[07:06] <bullgard4> When booting I obtain the mesage: "ACPI: Video Device [VID] (multi-head: yes   rom: no  post:no)." What does 'multi-head' mean?
[07:06] <lucent> bullgard4: many screens output...  but maybe you only have one connected?
[07:06] <cowbud> bullgard4: multiple monitors
[07:08] <bullgard4> lucent, cowbud It is a laptop computer, and it has its own display screen only. So what information does this message  convey?
[07:09] <cowbud> bullgard4: you also have a vga/dvi out right?
[07:09] <julien> u must yes
[07:09] <julien> anyhow its not an error
[07:09] <julien> just info
[07:09] <lucent> bullgard4: TV-out is also a "screen output"
[07:10] <julien> yup
[07:10] <cowbud> it is simply stating that you have the possibility of multiple displays
[07:10] <lucent> bullgard4: some display chips are factory designed for multiple outputs but only one is wired
[07:10] <lucent> yeah
[07:10] <lucent> it's a chipset thing from the design
[07:11] <julien> i know its off topic, anyone got fc2 server on linux working?
[07:11] <julien> ill go on priv.
[07:11] <vigo> Is Ubuntu 9.10rc the test version now, or is it about finished?
[07:11] <lucent> haven't heard of another rc
[07:11] <om26er> fonts in google chrome becomes ugly after a dist-upgrade on RC any1 else facing this??
[07:12]  * om26er thinks its not related to google chrome
[07:12] <bullgard4> cowbud: Yes, my IBM Thinpad laptop computer has a VGA output jack.
[07:12] <om26er> fonts become too light (dim)
[07:12] <lucent> bullgard4: okay so one screen is LVDS (your LCD) and the other is VGA external
[07:13] <CountDeMonet> im having poor quality sound issues
[07:13] <almoxarife> another alsa user
[07:13] <bullgard4> cowbud, lucent Thank you for explaining.
[07:14] <vigo> Thank You.
[07:14] <lucent> CountDeMonet: first I suggest turning your mixer levels to half
[07:14] <lucent> over 80% most chipsets have distortion
[07:14] <julien> almoxarife> pulse is on top of alsa anyway :)
[07:14] <CountDeMonet> lucent: if you mean volume levels they're at about 40
[07:14] <julien> pulse wont work without drivers (alsa)
[07:15] <almoxarife> pulse is not running on this machine
[07:15] <julien> weird ? wht distro/ver is that?
[07:15] <almoxarife> karmic
[07:15] <julien> pulse is installed with gnome :)
[07:15] <julien> show me how to remove it cleanly
[07:16] <almoxarife> until you strip it
[07:16] <almoxarife> I can show you how I did it in jaunty, the upgrade to karmic did not break it
[07:16] <CountDeMonet> lucent: im going to copy the file to the computer, it might just be a stream issue
[07:17] <lucent> CountDeMonet: there's short sounds in /usr/share/sounds
[07:17] <lucent> I think
[07:17] <julien> well just knowing its possible suffice me thnx for the thaught
[07:18] <CountDeMonet> lucent: i need long sustrained notes. it feels like the sound quality comes in waves
[07:18] <julien> cool my karmic is up on my router
[07:18] <lucent> strange description :)
[07:18] <julien> 30 minutes :)
[07:18] <almoxarife> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/ubuntu-904-jaunty-keeping-the-beast-pulseaudio-at-bay/ <- not sure that the results would be the same in karmic
[07:18] <CountDeMonet> sustained*
[07:19] <julien> i hope ebox is not shot
[07:19] <lucent> CountDeMonet: with headphones also? I'm wondering, how do you diagnose that :P
[07:21] <CountDeMonet> lucent: watching star trek xi, the volume drops out and gets scratchy every other second. ive watched it on other computers, its a perfect copy
[07:21] <julien> anyone knows a msn client for linux other that amsn that supprts wabcam (other that kopete;) )
[07:21] <lucent> CountDeMonet: oh, that sounds familiar, like an ALSA dmix plugin issue
[07:22] <lucent> CountDeMonet: try directing audio to the hw:plug or something like this, I forgot the exact phrase
[07:22] <topyli> julien, you want an man client that supports a webcam, but you don't want to use any of those that do? :)
[07:22] <CountDeMonet> lucent: yeh, ill have to investigate it after i copy the file onto the laptop to see if it was a stream issue. im setting up the laptop for my grandma to use :)
[07:23] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: what player you using?
[07:23] <julien> lol yes, amsn doens support nautilus drag and drop
[07:23] <julien> kopete crashes alot
[07:23] <cowbud> bugs filed I presume?
[07:23] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: vlc
[07:23] <lucent> CountDeMonet: :)  and I note that grandmas really like facebook if you teach them that and get all their grandkids signed up
[07:23] <julien> no i dont do kde :)
[07:24] <julien> and for amsn its not a bug
[07:24] <julien> its TK not a gnome apps
[07:24] <CountDeMonet> lucent: ha!  I heard an Ubuntu dev on a ticket say that SD card booting is impossible so why acknowledge it
[07:26] <lucent> was kind of wondering about that - what hardware will actually boot an SD card without an USB reader inbetween?
[07:27] <Jordan_U> lucent: I've done it with a friends laptop
[07:27] <DanaG> Some laptops have bootable SDHC controllers.
[07:27] <DanaG> Also, my SDHC controller defaults to having DMA off.  Ouch.
[07:27] <DanaG> I had to force it on to get it not-painful.
[07:27] <om26er> is nvidia vanta driver removed in later kernels
[07:28] <om26er> i tried ubuntu7.10 and its driver worked fine
[07:28] <om26er> but in karmic the refreshrate is dead sloww
[07:28] <almoxarife> is wireless n able to talk to a n router on karmic?
[07:28] <om26er> lucent: acer aspire one
[07:29] <lucent> om26er: no kidding, good info
[07:29] <Jordan_U> almoxarife: Depends on the card, if the driver supports n then yes
[07:29] <om26er> lucent: you have to add modules to initrd for that
[07:29] <almoxarife> card?
[07:29] <CountDeMonet> is there anyway to have karmic automatically reconnect to a wireless network after hibernate?
[07:29] <om26er> mmc_core mmc_block sdhci sdhci-pci
[07:29]  * Jordan_U still has the urge to call it "draft n"
[07:29] <DanaG> Mine needs one more module:
[07:29] <DanaG> ricoh_mmc
[07:30] <DanaG> It's a driver with the sole purpose of DISABLING one part of the chip... so you can use the more-standard other part.
[07:30] <CountDeMonet> for some reason i have to remove the card, and pop it back in, and then manually try to connect to a network in order for the wifi to connect
[07:30] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: is it a usb wireless?
[07:30] <om26er> DanaG: why don't they add those in kernel??
[07:30] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: its a laptop card
[07:30] <DanaG> I don't need it in-kernel; I just need it in initramfs.
[07:30] <om26er> DanaG: ya that
[07:30] <Jordan_U> CountDeMonet: System > Preferences > Network Connections, set the network to connect automatically
[07:31] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I made my wireless usb work after I did the ????? can't remember the utility
[07:31] <om26er> DanaG: people have wrote many tutorials for this and now they should be added
[07:31] <lucent> I wish there were machine profiles to deal with quirks like that
[07:31] <lucent> so a user can have a text file (their machine profile) and load it up, and it will configure modules for their machine
[07:32] <almoxarife> or set to auto :)., I assumed
[07:32] <om26er> in new kernels do they remove some of the old drivers???
[07:33] <lucent> very old drivers, yes
[07:33] <lucent> like 1990's
[07:34] <om26er> lucent: i had a test machine i installed 7.10 and it was good with its video card but when i installed karmic it had dead refreshrate
[07:34] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: there's an "auto 'SSID'" in there but no option to auto connect. it just seems like it doesnt turn the wireless card back on after it resumes
[07:34] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I think your problem is that the card does not awake from the hibernation
[07:34] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: bingo, thats what i was thinking
[07:34] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: exactly
[07:34] <almoxarife> what is the utility to load inf files?
[07:34]  * CountDeMonet shudders as he just realized he just said "bingo"
[07:35] <lucent> om26er: that might be a bug with your monitor
[07:35] <lucent> om26er: try different monitors
[07:36] <om26er> lucent: i have a dell lcd and its quite new 2008 and the vanta can be causing problems due to this??
[07:36] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: my usb wifi and card wifi both had same issue
[07:36] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: how did you fix it?
[07:36] <lucent> om26er: try a different monitor, maybe a CRT screen if you can find one
[07:37] <virtuald> fsck's progress info flickers in usplash
[07:37] <om26er> lucent: ok thanx i am really gonna try ti
[07:37] <lucent> om26er: I had a similar issue with a dell computer and dell LCD
[07:38] <lucent> om26er: there was a workaround fix but I don't remember it, you need to find out if a real CRT monitor works with that
[07:38] <lucent> if it does then you can decide to find a workaround
[07:38] <almoxarife> CountDeMonet: I don't remember the name of the utility, but its used ti load the xxxx.inf for the specific card/ubs driver from your windows system, assuming you have one
[07:38] <om26er> lucent: but also the point again comes 7.10 worked fine
[07:39] <almoxarife> driver .inf file loader?
[07:40] <om26er> lucent: fyi that system is 600mhz 512mb 16nvidia vanta. i should have told you this before
[07:40] <almoxarife> www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/NdisWrapper_The_Ultimate_Guide · Cached page <-- that's it CountDeMonet
[07:41] <DanaG> hmm, what's the functional difference between pciehp and acpiphp?
[07:41] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: going to take a look now
[07:42] <om26er> who here is using a very slow computer and still karmic is working fine. plz give specifications
[07:42] <CountDeMonet> om26er: define slow
[07:42] <om26er> processor ram and video ??
[07:43]  * ror still can't get gstreamer/ffmpeg to work in karmic :(
[07:43] <om26er> minimal requirements of karmic or even lesser
[07:43] <CountDeMonet> om26er: you defined what you meant by specifications, not by slow
[07:44] <CountDeMonet> im on a p4 M 2ghz with 512mb ram
[07:44] <BonezAU> Hi, has sound recently stopped working for anyone? I have completely lost all audio even though the volume is right up high?
[07:44] <ror> I'm on similar and karmic runs well for me; runs better than jaunty did
[07:44] <lucent> BonezAU: "mute" randomly toggled on for me
[07:44] <ror> BonezAU, run alsamixer and check *all* sliders are up high
[07:44] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: im going to suspend the system and see if the card is loaded
[07:44] <om26er> BonezAU: i lost my mic after i changed mic volume
[07:44] <ror> sometimes master will be high but PCM won't be or similar
[07:45] <lucent> inverted "mute" behavior, also the volume for Totem misbehaves constantly
[07:45] <BonezAU> om26er, that fixed it for me, thanks heaps
[07:45] <BonezAU> om26er, i was using skype earlier and since i changed the output from "Analog Output" to "Analog Headphones" I stopped getting audio. Makes sense really :)
[07:46] <om26er> BonezAU: i am using built-in mic
[07:47] <om26er> sound recorder records but empathy don't send my voice. and sound preferences don't show any sound wasves
[07:48] <CountDeMonet> almoxarife: so yeh its the card not being started
[07:48] <almoxarife> btw, use the gui version of the utility, much easier CountDeMonet
[07:50] <DanaG> handy tool: gamix
[07:50] <DanaG> !info gamix
[07:51] <om26er> is there any official lucid lynx forum??
[07:54] <almoxarife> gnome-alsamixer 0.9.7 is cleaner than gamix
[07:57] <om26er> discussion forum for lucid lynx'???
[07:57] <almoxarife> !info gnome-alsamixer 0.9.7
[07:58] <almoxarife> !info gnome-alsamixer
[07:58] <om26er> after 20091028 this channel ubuntu+1 will become channel for Lucid Lynx  ??????
[07:59] <psychuil> Hi guys, can anyone help me out abit?
[07:59] <om26er> psychuil: go on
[07:59] <almoxarife> sure, lots of helpers
[08:01] <psychuil> Cant' seem to install MonoDevelop.
[08:01] <psychuil> No idea why.
[08:02] <psychuil> I click a link which links me to 'apt:monodevelop' but i get an error saying 'could not find package modevelop.something'
[08:03] <almoxarife> !info MonoDevelop
[08:04] <psychuil> Trying to get it from here: http://monodevelop.com/Download
[08:05] <almoxarife> http://packages.debian.org/testing/monodevelop <tried there?
[08:07] <psychuil> Oh, this isn't a general ubuntu support chan?
[08:07] <om26er> psychuil: i can install it using apt:monodevelop
[08:07] <om26er> change you souce server
[08:07] <dupondje> somebody knows whe 'Fast Search' is not availible here in my Synaptic ? :s
[08:08] <om26er> dupondje: you have to wait before it indexes
[08:08] <psychuil> Blah, i'll go back to windows for now, i'm too green for this :\
[08:08] <mvo> dupondje: if its not shown at all you may check if you have apt-xapian-index installed
[08:08] <psychuil> And need to write this asap
[08:09] <om26er> psychuil: sure
[08:09] <dupondje> wasn't installed :p
[08:09] <dupondje> thx
[08:10] <dupondje> cleaning up my system, working since 6.10 or so :p
[08:11] <om26er> dupondje: you never made a clean install since 6.10.
[08:11] <mvo> dupondje: you can also check if ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-desktop are installed and run apt-get install --fix-policy to see what recommends are missing on your system
[08:13] <almoxarife> I like my ubuntu broke, gives me a sense order to the universe
[08:14] <almoxarife> btw, wouldn't re-installing ubuntu-desktop reload everything that one tried to cleanse out of the ole ubuntu?
[08:14] <almoxarife> like ekiga?
[08:15] <almoxarife> who uses ekiga?
[08:15] <DanaG> NTFS-3G really is a pain... it gave the computer a "heart attack".
[08:15] <DanaG> That is.... it got the system so bogged down, that the hearbeat LED stopped beating for like 15 seconds.
[08:15] <mvo> almoxarife: depends, if its missing recommends that it has seen before it will not try to reinstall them, for hard depends it will
[08:16] <almoxarife> better yet, anyone get packet8 8x8 voip fone working on ubuntu?
[08:16] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f2e8ec3c7
[08:16] <almoxarife> mvo: I didn't know that, thnks
[08:17] <coz_> almoxarife,   actually I personally have no idea about this one
[08:18] <dupondje> mvo: then I get brasero: Conflicteert met: nautilus-cd-burner maar 2.25.3-0ubuntu3 zal geïnstalleerd worden
[08:18] <almoxarife> dupondje: you want brasero if you are running karmic
[08:19] <DanaG> Hah, now I can say that "ntfs-3g sucks so badly, it gave my computer a heart attack."
[08:19] <dupondje> yea, but brasero is already installed
[08:19] <dupondje> :s
[08:19] <almoxarife> then you need to un-install nautilus-cd-burner?
[08:20] <dupondje> its not installed :p
[08:20] <almoxarife> some part of it is
[08:21] <almoxarife> I can't make sense of the dutch
[08:21] <dupondje> brasero: conflicts with: nau-cd-burner but 2.25.3 will be installed.
[08:21] <dupondje> :p
[08:23] <virtuald> DanaG: How do I get a heartbeat LED?
[08:23] <DanaG> One part is, you have to have some software-controllable LED.
[08:23] <DanaG> Check in /sys/class/leds/
[08:24] <virtuald> i don't have that
[08:24] <virtuald> can't it use the scroll lock led?
[08:25] <DanaG> I don't know on that one.
[08:25] <almoxarife> you could try the monitor? huge led aint it?
[08:27] <virtuald> why do x choose my second output as primary monitor?
[08:27] <virtuald> i use crt's
[08:28] <virtuald> they have one led each, but they can only be controlled through sleep states :)
[08:29] <DanaG> hmm, looks like it's not possible to use the keyboard LEDs as software controlled LEDs.
[08:29] <DanaG> http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0707.0/1485.html
[08:29] <innomen> Hey guys, AWN manager starts, shows as running in the process list, and even lauches the configuration options on start up, running it via terminal shows no errors, yet there is no bar, in short it does everything but work
[08:30] <innomen> one post said something about reinstalling compiz, so i did, no effect, i'm installing the restricted video drivers now
[08:34] <DanaG> http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html\
[08:34] <DanaG> wow
[08:34] <DanaG> er
[08:34] <DanaG> http://www.fewt.com/2009/10/i-give-up.html
[08:35] <DanaG> sorry, got an extra character in there the first time.
[08:47] <murlidhar> hi all ........how to use zsync ?
[08:47] <murlidhar> i am on a jaunty and willing to download karmic using zsync
[08:48] <murlidhar> i have the beta image with myself
[08:48] <om26er> download the RC simply
[08:48] <murlidhar> don't wanna download the whole thing and will want to minimize the bandwidth even if it is just by 1 mb
[08:49] <yofel> murlidhar: do you mean rsync?
[08:49] <murlidhar> nope zsync
[08:49] <murlidhar> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/
[08:49] <murlidhar> see it's zsync not rsync
[08:50] <CountDeMonet> sweet, sound problems fixed. wifi remains, but thats for tomorrow
[08:50] <om26er> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[08:51] <murlidhar> om26er: how about this ? http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-rc-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[08:51] <om26er> murlidhar: great
[08:51] <murlidhar> i would like to try zsync
[08:51] <murlidhar> but dont' know how to do that .......willng to learn it
[08:52] <yofel> murlidhar: read the manpage?
[08:53] <murlidhar> yofel: : ) sorry i almost forgot about it
[08:53] <murlidhar> thanks
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> another option is to
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> install the beta
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> and update
[08:53] <Ian_Corne> think that'll be even better on bandwith
[08:54] <Ian_Corne> as you'll have to update your RC iso anyways
[08:54] <murlidhar> hmmm but the bandwidth is not that stable to update online
[08:54] <jussi01> !final
[08:54] <murlidhar> jussi01: i know.....i haven't installed karmic yet
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> wait for the final release then
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> that'd be my advise
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> the RC still gets alot of updates
[08:55] <murlidhar> Ian_Corne: hmmm
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> 3 day
[08:55] <Ian_Corne> s
[08:56] <om26er> yesterday only 4 updates were available
[08:56] <om26er> today none came up
[08:56] <Ian_Corne> i've had like 20 this morning
[08:56] <murlidhar> hmm
[08:59] <om26er> crap
[08:59] <Xisdibik> Would installing Ubuntu 9.10 off a alternative install (and selecting the standard ubuntu desktop) be less harddrive hoggy than doing an install off a live CD boot?
[09:01] <filgy> Xisdibik: define harddrive hoggy
[09:02] <Xisdibik> filgy: Using more space than the other :)
[09:02] <Xisdibik> filgy: im wondering if the live CD install is the exact same as the alternatives install (if you select the standard ubuntu desktop)
[09:03] <filgy> Xisdibik: a normal install is a normal install regardless how it is installed
[09:03] <robotti^> hello!
[09:03] <Xisdibik> I figured as much, just wanted to make sure though
[09:03] <robotti^> screen brightness adjustment does not work on karmic koala
[09:04] <robotti^> it works without nvidia driver
[09:04] <robotti^> on macbook 5,1 :)
[09:06] <DanaG> sorry about that... stupid Pidgin let me try to start it like 10 times at once, with no launch feedback.
[09:06] <LSD|Ninja> Is there a way to move the Growl^H^H^H^H^Hnotification box further up the screen slightly?
[09:07] <DanaG> Yeah, go yell at Canonical.
[09:09] <robotti^> :)
[09:09] <DanaG>  I was clicking "start pidgin" in avant-window-navigator, thinking it would pull up the buddy list.  And when it didn't... I clicked it again.  And it gave no feedback that anything was happening.
[09:09] <robotti^> LSD|Ninja: you are mac user
[09:10] <LSD|Ninja> robotti^: and?
[09:10] <om26er> ?
[09:12] <robotti^> LSD|Ninja: I just noticed when you say about Growl notification :)
[09:12] <DanaG> Heartbeat LED is very handy for telling when things are dead.   I was moving stuff from ntfs-3g to a truecrypt volume on the same ntfs-3g partition.... and the system essentially had a "heart attack".   That is, it got so far bogged down that the heartbeat LED stopped... for like 10 or so seconds.
[09:13] <om26er> good
[09:14] <om26er> is there any lxde based ubuntu cd expected?? i.e Lubuntu???
[09:14] <om26er> Lubuntu 9.10 ?
[09:14] <DanaG> For some reason the name "lubuntu" reminds me of some "nsfw" words.
[09:15] <DanaG> Like, perhaps the shape or sound of the word is the same.
[09:15]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[09:15] <DanaG> Mon Oct 26 02:15:25 PDT 2009
[09:17] <om26er> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubuntu
[09:19] <om26er1> any word on Ubuntu Moblin Remix
[09:19] <om26er1> and Lubuntu
[09:23] <bullgard4> In Ubuntu 8.04.3: '~$ users; detlef detlef detlef detlef detlef'. But in Ubuntu 9.10 on a similar computer: '~$ users; detlef'. What is the reason for the difference?
[09:25] <shao> hello
[09:25] <shao> just upraded and a couple of isues
[09:25] <shao> no sound at all
[09:26] <shao> gui setings are no saved when i log out
[09:26] <shao> not*
[09:26] <shao> and no metacity when i log in
[09:26] <om26er1> shao: do you have a live cd can you test if sound works from livecd?
[09:27] <om26er1> shao: if no metacity then what you see an xterminal?
[09:27] <shao> my sound works in gentoo
[09:28] <shao> but window decoration
[09:28] <dupondje> lol it works now, seems like I have TONS of old packages :(
[09:29] <om26er1> does gnash have hardware acceleration
[09:29] <shao> om26er1, iguess sound is # 1 issue
[09:30] <om26er1> shao: how about a clean install
[09:30] <shao> yeah thats what i thougt
[09:30] <shao> sad though these upgrades always break for me
[09:31] <om26er1> some upgrades go smooth and some break
[09:31] <om26er1> i never got a break
[09:51] <vvizard> I have a software mirror-raid /dev/md0, set up to mount to /mnt/raid during boot through fstab. This works fine. But I get spammed during boot by messages like "/mnt/raid waiting for /dev/md0". As I said, it works fine, so maybe those messages should be oppressed from the regular boot-messages?
[09:54] <DanaG> I get the same thing even on my non-raid drive.
[09:54] <DanaG> It waits for ALL my partitions.
[09:57] <vvizard> ;)
[09:58] <DanaG> And fsck progress is silly, too.  It reports each step on a new line.
[09:58] <DanaG> 0%.  0%.  1%.  1%.   .............  75%.   75%.   75%.   76%.   76%.
[09:58] <DanaG> You get the point.  Yeah, and it does repeat.
[09:59] <vvizard> Hehe
[10:07] <vega-> what's wrong with karmic "lock screen" button in gnome
[10:07] <vega-> doesn't work anymore
[10:13] <arj> hello. I have upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 to help test, but software from official sources (skype 2.1 beta and virtualbox) have strange fonts. How do I fix this?
[10:26] <meta_> Hi all folks
[10:26] <meta_> I have installed kubuntu koala rc, with ext 4 /
[10:26] <meta_> and with an encrypted /data
[10:26] <meta_> this partition will contains my /home too...
[10:27] <fahadsadah> I just give every user an encrypted folder in their home directory.
[10:27] <meta_> but the problem is that X isn't wait's for my password assked by dm-decrypt at boot
[10:27] <meta_> I just see the passwordprompt for a second then x comes up
[10:28] <meta_> How can i make the password prompt "blocks" until i give a pass?
[10:30] <joaopinto> meta_, you should search for a bug report, that seems a critical bug, if you can't find it, report it
[10:31] <meta_> I was found one from 2006 some reboot ago...
[10:37] <yofel> meta_: bug 445888 ?
[10:38] <yofel> meta_: or bug 434232
[10:39] <meta_> i'm just in stuck with thunderbird which want's libstdc5 that is unavailable in karmic... to get my password... i wanted to log in to this launchpad stuff
[10:39] <meta_> btw i check it
[10:40] <yofel> meta_: huh? why would thunderbird want libstdc++5?
[10:40] <mzz> which thunderbird is this? the packaged one should work fine
[10:41] <meta_> yes, but i don't use the packaged tb/mozilla cause of my bad experiences...
[10:41] <mzz> and huh, libstdc++5 really is gone?
[10:41] <meta_> so this is from mozilla.org one...
[10:41] <pradeep_> i was trying to install karmic from the iso i wrote to cd, when i selected the fresh install option i was getting the error saying cannot mount /dev/loop0 something like that
[10:41] <meta_> E: Package libstdc++5 has no installation candidate
[10:42] <pradeep_> wat's the problem??
[10:42] <joaopinto> mzz, yes, it's gone
[10:42] <joaopinto> obsolete
[10:42] <mzz> I'm a bit surprised the mozilla.org build uses libstdc++.so.5, but "bad experiences" also seems odd
[10:42] <ArkoldThos> :p
[10:42] <meta_> this is not the latest version, it's pretty old so i need to downlaod the new one
[10:42] <meta_> maybe that will work
[10:43]  * mzz mutters
[10:43] <meta_> i just don't like the ~25 mb xulrunner stuff and other modifications in mozilla stuffs in ubuntu
[10:43] <mzz> (don't run old geckos with known security vulnerabilities :( )
[10:43] <mzz> what?
[10:43] <pradeep_> help please!!
[10:43] <meta_> you are true
[10:43] <mzz> the thunderbird package isn't xulrunnerified
[10:44] <ArkoldThos> someone here uses dolphin-emu?
[10:45] <meta_> oh and ther was some mess with the config directory (mozilla.org's one uses .thunderbird where the package ones something like .mozilla-thunderbird)
[10:45] <mzz> do you have any actual concrete problems with the ubuntu packaged thunderbird? Have bugs been filed on those problems? :)
[10:45] <meta_> and a lot of little roar's is the reason:)
[10:45] <meta_> it's become my habit since edgy
[10:45] <meta_> and i did not checked since that...
[10:45] <meta_> i just download them and put them in /opt and that's all
[10:46] <meta_> no xul, no missing xpcom(the main problem was in edgy), no other specializations...
[10:46] <mzz> "no xul"?
[10:46] <meta_> runner*
[10:47] <meta_> but back to the password prompt, thats a bigger problem, this is only my fault/problem/idiotism:)
[10:47] <meta_> but...
[10:47] <meta_> ./thunderbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:47] <gnomefreak> our package uses ~/.thunderbird only for 3.0 and mozilla-thunderbird for 2.0.x  this is on purpose
[10:47] <mzz> "no xulrunner?" Neither the mozilla nor the ubuntu build use a separate xulrunner
[10:48] <meta_> with the latest downloaded mozilla.org's thunderbird
[10:48] <gnomefreak> meta_: sounds like you downloaded tbird-3 from mozilla
[10:48] <meta_> yep
[10:48] <mzz> err, no
[10:48] <meta_> (because somebody wondered if mozilla.org sill uses libstdc5 iirc)
[10:48] <mzz> wait, tbird-3 from mozilla uses libstdc++.so.5? That'd be unfortunate.
[10:48] <gnomefreak> meta_: we can not support 3.0 from upstream and we havent gotten it in Karmic
[10:49] <mzz> I just checked, thunderbird 2 does use libstdc++.so.5, but I'd expect thunderbird 3 to use a much more recent compiler
[10:49] <meta_> gnomefreak: oh sry, no, i downloaded 2.00.23 or what
[10:49] <meta_>     * <IP_ADDRESS> for Linux i686, English (US) (10.9MB)
[10:50] <gnomefreak> meta_: tbird 2 and 3 both use Depends: libstdc++6
[10:50] <yofel> meta_: the <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu version works just fine without libstdc++5 and doesn't need xulrunner...
[10:50] <mzz> exactly
[10:50] <meta_> okay, then i try it:)
[10:51] <meta_> no dependencies, awesome!:)
[10:52] <meta_> wanna say LOL on the conclusions found here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/434232
[10:53] <heshan> any one know why my graphic drivers in not loaded by Os?
[10:53] <heshan> it was supporting by 9.04
[10:53] <heshan> but not the upgrated 9.10
[10:53]  * gnomefreak wonders how we would know
[10:54] <yofel> heshan: what's your GPU? 'lspci | grep VGA' in a terminal if you don't know
[10:55] <cbx33> anyone tried getting bluetooth networking working in Karmic?
[10:55] <psychuil> I'm back, and my liveusb is broken :\
[10:55] <psychuil> Instead of loading gnome and all the shiny it only opens a terminal :\
[10:56] <meta_> can somebody explain me what does "echo 'CRYPTROOT=target=pvcrypt,source=/dev/sda1' > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/cryptroot" do?
[10:56] <psychuil> Anyone able to help me?
[10:57] <meta_> i understand what does it do, but not what it causes...
[11:02] <heshan> yofel: intel
[11:02] <heshan> yofel:its a shared
[11:02] <yofel> heshan: and what's the model number?
[11:03] <yofel> like: 945GME
[11:03] <heshan> yofel: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator        950 with up to 224-MB shared system memory
[11:04] <heshan> yofel: is it still in dev phase?
[11:04] <heshan> my laptop is HP nx7300
[11:06] <oldude67> heshan, i have to use the i915 modeset for my 945gz so  you might have to as well.
[11:06] <meta_> Pray for me, i'm going to reboot...
[11:06] <heshan>  oldude67: your saying it workd for you?
[11:07] <meta_> brb
[11:07] <oldude67> heshan, ya i had to go in add it to the grub, but putting in i915,modeset=0 works
[11:07] <Trewas> heshan: gma950 is using other driver (poulsbo) than any other intel chip and AFAIK does not work by default on karmic
[11:08] <Trewas> bug 330906
[11:08] <oldude67> Trewas, ya i know my way is a hack..but i thought it might help.
[11:09] <yofel> Trewas: 950 is a poulsbo chip too?
[11:09] <Trewas> hrm, or am I messing up the numbers...
[11:10] <Trewas> heshan: ok, probably I messed up the numbers and I was thinking of gma500, 950 should work (or if not, then for some other reason than that bug)
[11:13] <heshan> oldude67: Thanks I will try it
[11:13] <heshan> oldude67: my sounds also not working,
[11:13] <oldude67> heshan, yw and let me know if it works for you...
[11:14] <oldude67> heshan, what type of sound card is it?
[11:14] <oldude67> heshan, are you running gnome,kde,or xfce?
[11:15] <heshan> ADI1981HD High Definition CODEC
[11:15] <oldude67> and you have checked the sound to make sure nothing is muted?>
[11:15] <heshan> oldude67: not muted :)
[11:15] <oldude67> what desktop?
[11:16] <heshan> oldude67:this is a notebook, nx-7300 HP
[11:16] <oldude67> heshan, what wm are you using, gnome or ?????
[11:17] <oldude67> heshan, either way, go into system settings and multimedia, and test the system if it work click prefer.
[11:26] <Degot> Hi, ALL. I`ve meet problem with Display brightness.. It goes dim on idle even if i disabled it with gconf. (Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop amd64)
[11:27] <pradeep_> I was trying to install a fresh copy of karmic rc. I got an error saying "could not mount /dev/loop0 ://filesystem/squash.fs something like that
[11:27] <pradeep_> anyone knows the fix please help
[11:29] <mzz> heh, ddebs.ubuntu.com seems to be ahead of nl.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <mzz> pradeep_: I really hope that's not the only message
[11:30] <pradeep_> mzz: that was the message, i don know whether the cd is not proper i wrote..
[11:30] <aguitel> are grub2 instaled in karmic rc?
[11:32] <topyli> aguitel, yes
[11:32] <pradeep_> mzz: It said something BusyBox... i/o error
[11:33] <aguitel> topyli, i synaptica is unmarked
[11:33] <clepto> just curious. should i just do a straight reinstall from 9.04 to 9.10? or should i go with the the update-manager method?
[11:34] <topyli> aguitel, the package is 'grub-pc'
[11:34] <topyli> aguitel, as you see from the package description, grub2 is a dummy package
[11:34] <mzz> clepto: I don't think anyone can really answer that. Both have up- and downsides.
[11:34] <clepto> people over in the regular ubuntu channel told me to ask here
[11:35] <mzz> clepto: I wouldn't share a /home between the two (upgrading a /home should work, but I'm not at all sure about downgrading, if only because of the firefox upgrade)
[11:35] <clepto> mzz: yeah problem is i dont know the ups or downs
[11:35] <mzz> clepto: so if you do a fresh install and have the space for it you can have both installed in parallel, copy your /home over, and only drop jaunty when you're sure karmic actually works
[11:36] <clepto> mzz: i know having to reset everything up is a pain
[11:36] <mzz> clepto: but yeah, if the upgrade *does* work it's more work this way.
[11:36] <mzz> fresh install is also a good excuse to do a bit of housekeeping (by side-effect mostly) if you know what I mean
[11:37] <clepto> mzz: do you know if they use better drivers for the alfa 500mw wifi card in 9.10?
[11:37] <chrism2671> a recent update on my system broke the gdm login system. now when I login the screen goes blank and it re-cycles and comes back to the login screen. does anybody know how to disable the gdm login from the shell?
[11:37] <aguitel> topyli, ok
[11:37] <mzz> I did the side-by-side install thing, but that was after the beta release (so fewer guarantees karmic would actually work) and it's relatively easy for me (not a lot of customization in my /home, and I use lvm so creating the extra partitions was pretty trivial)
[11:37] <mzz> clepto: no
[11:38] <mzz> chrism2671: ctrl+alt+f1 to a textmode login prompt, log in, "sudo stop gdm"
[11:38] <chrism2671> mzz: yep i've done that- what i'm looking for is a way to get rid of the login screen to so i can actually get into gdm
[11:38] <clepto> mzz: ahh thats the wifi i use... and the default drivers in 9.04 suck.
[11:38] <mzz> chrism2671: or perhaps it's a better habit to do "sudo service gdm stop", since "service" supports both upstart and sysv jobs, iirc.
[11:38] <pradeep_> mzz: i was dropped into the initramfs prompt when i was trying to install
[11:39] <mzz> chrism2671: "startx" to start X without gdm
[11:39] <mzz> pradeep_: my mindreading (and seeing what's on your screen) skills are pretty terrible
[11:39]  * mzz rephrases
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[11:39] <mzz> clepto: no, I don't know if they use better drivers (not "no, they don't use better drivers")
[11:40] <pradeep_> mzz: do u know how to write the iso onto a usb and make it bootable
[11:40] <mzz> pradeep_: there's a walkthrough for that on the wiki iirc, but I haven't done this myself
[11:40] <clepto> mzz: yeah i got that
[11:40] <mzz> clepto: just making sure you didn't interpret it the other way
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> pradeep_: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-ubuntu-904-persistent-install-windows/
[11:41] <clepto> mzz: its 5am here and i havnt slept im kinda in ramble mode... i think im going to bed now :D catch ya later man
[11:41] <mzz> ok!
[11:42]  * mzz considers rebuilding rxvt-unicode with 256 color support
[11:43] <mzz> (and without libafterimage support, which I don't care about)
[11:44] <Degot> Hi, ALL. I`ve meet problem with Display brightness.. It goes dim on idle even if i disabled it with gconf. (Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop amd64)... How can i fix it?
[11:47] <gartral> alrighty.. it's a minor thing, but the copy of memtest on the beta iso reports my i7 860 as an "i5 860" anyon else seeing this (possibly on the x58/i7 9xx too?)
[11:48] <amatux> @pradeep_ : there is a nice tool on www.linuxliveusb.com. to avoid boot error for 9.10 rc (karmic)  initrd.lz has to be renamed to initrd.gz on the stick.
[11:49] <chrism2671> mzz: no luck there- any other ideas about how to bypass the gnome login?
[11:51] <mzz> chrism2671: I don't understand the question.
[11:51] <mzz> chrism2671: I'm pretty sure "sudo stop gdm" would stop the login screen. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if "startx" just dumped you straight back to your shell too
[11:52] <mzz> chrism2671: that is: I'm not convinced your problem is actually with gdm
[11:52] <mzz> chrism2671: so what's your current problem?
[11:56] <bigbrovar>  hi guys
[11:56] <bigbrovar> anyone experiencing problems printing pdf on ubuntu?
[11:56] <bigbrovar> tried both okular (kubuntu) and xpp both failed to print. but same pdf printed fine on ubuntu hardy heron here is a i found on a similar issue
[12:00] <chrism2671> mzz: i don't think the problem is with gdm. the problem is specifically with the gnome login screen. i'm trying to bypass the actual login program, so I drop straight into the gnome GUI.
[12:00] <chrism2671> mzz: i had it configured to auto-login and then i ran apt-get update and a new login screen appeared that I've never seen before- now I can't get past it, it just comes round in a circle.
[12:00] <mzz> chrism2671: so does "startx" successfully get you into gnome?
[12:01] <chrism2671> mzz: sadly not
[12:01] <mzz> aha
[12:01] <Milos_SD> Why I can't start Ubuntu 9.10 RC in VirtualBox?
[12:01] <mzz> chrism2671: usually when people talk about the "login screen" they mean the gdm one (gdm-simple-chooser I think the actual binary is called)
[12:01] <Milos_SD> it starts, but picture is not pressent :S
[12:02] <mzz> chrism2671: so exactly what do you get when you use "startx"?
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: yep, i believe that's the one i'm having issues with it
[12:02] <mzz> chrism2671: if that's the one you're having issues with "startx" would work
[12:02]  * mzz logs out to confirm that
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: sure thing, will just having another go
[12:02] <oldude67> Milos_SD, i know there was an issue with it not running right in virtual mode, but figured it was fixed by now.
[12:02] <chrism2671> mzz: one sec
[12:03] <Milos_SD> oldude67, Beta was working, but now RC is not :S
[12:03] <Milos_SD> I'll post a screenshot in a moment
[12:03] <Milos_SD> here it is
[12:03] <Milos_SD> http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5876/screenshotdv.png
[12:03] <oldude67> Milos_SD, ya would figure huh...one of these days i hope soon, the devs will get all there crap together..lets hope its before the release.
[12:04] <chrism2671> mzz: ok i've managed to get it to start with 'failsafe gnome'
[12:04] <chrism2671> will try killing gdm and running startx
[12:05] <mzz> chrism2671: I'm hoping "startx" will also fail, and ~/.xsession-errors will have clues afterwards
[12:05] <Degot> Hi... I have problem with display brightness, it goes dim on idle  after 10 min =( how can i fix it? (9.10 desktop amd64)
[12:05] <oldude67> Milos_SD, ya thats pretty screwed up...lol...go figure.
[12:06] <dogson> Hai, i have problem with ubuntu netbook remix, in netbook-launcher there is no icons for changing themes or enable/disable compiz effects.
[12:09] <yacc> I'm trying to install 9.10 AMD64 onto an USB stick and it's failing when I try to install GRUB/LILO onto it?
[12:11] <chrism2671> mzz: startx completely hung the machine- it is completely unresponsive- EXCEPT- I can still access it just fine over SSH
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> yacc: can you do it manually afterwards?
[12:11] <chrism2671> mzz: i've left it in its frozen state and connected via ssh
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: then i'd read the last 20 dmesg lines and the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:16] <ExElNeT> hmm i updated to karmic and now i cant login anymore via ssh... i modified the pam.d/kdm file correctly... any idea?
[12:17] <patdk-lap> kdm? I have no pam.d/kdm file at all in karmic
[12:17] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.com/m49a3ade6 (xsession-errors)
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: does ~/.config/metacity   exist?
[12:20] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: hmm thats odd
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: you may also want to run: sudo mkdir /var/lib/samba/usershares
[12:20] <patdk-lap> are you running kubuntu? not normal ubuntu?
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> no pam.d/kdm here either.. :) but i do have a gdm
[12:21] <patdk-lap> and ssh shouldn't be using pam.d/kdm anyways
[12:21] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: yeah both :=) , nope its the login that should use the ssh key
[12:22]  * Dr_Willis is confused
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: sounds like your system is missing quite a lot
[12:23] <patdk-lap> kdm/gdm are graphical X logins, ssh won't use them
[12:24] <chrism2671> ActionParsnip: there isn't- i normally run compiz though
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: sounds like your system expects that wackily named file
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: i'd make it just to humour it
[12:25] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: well the goal is to login with your ssh key in your system. a session will get created and you dont have to auth yourself again with your ssh-key, thats what lib pam-ssh is for :=)
[12:26] <patdk-lap> well, you never said anything about pam-ssh before :)
[12:26] <maek0> I have just installed some updates in Karmic ... and its asking me what to do about GRUB
[12:26] <maek0> what option should I pick ??
[12:26]  * patdk-lap has no pam-ssh :)
[12:26] <bazhang> maek0, what are the options
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> maek0: grub will need updating so you can load your new kernel (I'm guessing its installed a new one for you)
[12:27] <patdk-lap> ExElNeT, you probably didn't want to add it to kdm anyways, but like common-auth and common-session
[12:28] <maek0> it says "What would you like to do about GRUB ?" and it gives some options
[12:28] <patdk-lap> maek0, we can't see your screen
[12:28] <maek0> keep the installed version is the first option
[12:28] <hipitihop> I'm trying to follow this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1175001 to disable usbhid grabbing my remote IR device. Identical device i.e. "Vendor=15c2 ProdID=0043 Rev= 0.02" however despite creating a 10-lirc.rules, usbhid is still listed as driver. Can anyone shed light ?
[12:28] <bazhang> package maintainer's version an option maek0 ?
[12:29] <legend2440> maek0: i  choose Maintainers Version
[12:29] <patdk-lap> did you ever customize /boot/grub/menu.1st?
[12:29] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: normally its done by adding @include pam-ssh-auth before common-auth... but thats not working. debug says: debug1: No SSH login-keys directory.
[12:29] <patdk-lap> I'm assuming no, since you don't know what it is
[12:29] <maek0> bazhang, yeah .. I have some entrys in there for booting Windows .. will that remove them ??
[12:29] <kavurt> I need help with restoring my grub2. I installed opensuse after karmic. and now I want to restore karmic's grub2. I have karmic cd.
[12:29] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: here's the .log http://pastebin.com/d4ccac307
[12:30] <patdk-lap> ExElNeT, heh, finally the error message :)
[12:30] <patdk-lap> well why doesn't that directory exists? if ssh doesn't have a ~/.ssh with authorized keys it won't work, heh
[12:31] <bazhang> maek0, as legend2440 said I always choose the newer package maintainer's version
[12:31] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: yeah but it exists. ;/
[12:31] <maek0> so it wont overwrite my boot entrys ??
[12:33] <patdk-lap> anyone know how to remove drives from the places menu?
[12:34] <om26er> tell me is Lubuntu coming with 9.10
[12:34] <om26er> Amaranth: is lubuntu gonna release with 9.10
[12:35] <bazhang> !info lubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <bazhang> om26er, ^^
[12:36]  * hipitihop goes to bed wishing an answer will come forth by the morning
[12:36] <om26er> bazhang: no live cd?
[12:36] <maek0> bazhang, I chose that option and it found my other OS and installed them according to the command line view .. cheers
[12:36] <bazhang> maek0, nice
[12:36] <bazhang> om26er, I'll keep looking
[12:41] <mzz> chrism2671: sorry, lost track of irc. looking at pastebins now
[12:41] <ExElNeT> patdk-lap: fixed it. you need a login-keys.d dir in .ssh and the shipped pam.d/pam-ssh-auth file was wrong... key_files option seems to be invalid
[12:42] <patdk-lap> heh
[12:42] <patdk-lap> I couldn't find any documentation on pam-ssh
[12:46] <chrism2671> mzz: np thanks
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: reads as if your X server locked up, but it's not providing a lot of clues about why
[12:47] <patdk-lap> crazy, a rackmountable usb hub
[12:47] <chrism2671> mzz & ActionParsnip: i agree. as failsafe gnome seems to work properly, i can only assume that it is something to do with full gnome that is causing it o break
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: does dmesg have anything (I doubt it, but worth looking)? Is there anything interesting on the stderr of the X server?
[12:47] <mzz> chrism2671: most obvious guess would be compiz is involved somehow
[12:48] <Wazzzaaa> I had my /boot on /dev/sda1. When installing a karmic I forgot to "say" install grub on sda1. I did an update-grub and something else. But sda1 contains the old grub. How do I install a new grub on sda1 ?
[12:48] <patdk-lap> in 8.04 (8.10 also I think) I had issues with compiz
[12:48] <patdk-lap> I never tried it in 9.04
[12:48] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: are you sure you need to?
[12:48] <patdk-lap> but I just turned it on in 9.10 and it seems tobe working (for me)
[12:48] <Wazzzaaa> mzz: yes I want to...
[12:49] <patdk-lap> Wazzzaaa, what partition is active in fdisk? sda1?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> why would ou want grub on sda1, and not 'sda' ?
[12:49] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: also, do you mean installing the first stage of grub into the boot sector of sda1, or do you mean you want to put the extra modules onto that separate /boot partition?
[12:49] <patdk-lap> Dr_Willis, if he has windows and doesn't want windows to always overwrite grub :)
[12:49] <mzz> Wazzzaaa: (I am assuming the system currently boots, and am trying to understand what you are actually trying to change)
[12:50] <Wazzzaaa> Well some1 in #ubuntu gave me a tip. I try that first before going in depth here...
[12:50] <kavurt> I can't restore grub2. can someone help?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> patdk-lap:  id rather trust grub.. then trust windiows to chain load/boot :) but i guess ive been  bitten by windiws toomany times
[12:50] <mzz> !cannot
[12:50] <chrism2671> mzz: yep, dmesg says that dropbox is having a seg fault
[12:50] <bazhang> !grub2
[12:51]  * Dr_Willis likes grub2
[12:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, I don't believe I have grub2 installed
[12:51] <mzz> !doesntwork
[12:51] <St0n3-C0l> Annyone using Karmic and has i810 or D845 board?
[12:51] <mzz> kavurt: what ubottu just said
[12:51] <mickster04> hey how do i get grub2 to profile?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> 'profile' ?
[12:52] <mzz> to what?
[12:52]  * Dr_Willis takes Mug shots of Grub2
[12:52] <mickster04> i found a forum thread and it saud something about sreadahead but it doesnt seem to be on my system
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> Turn to your left...
[12:52] <mzz> mickster04: what are you trying to accomplish?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> mickster04:  no idea what you are refering to. :)
[12:53] <mickster04> yeah, in legacy if you added "profile" o the end after "splash" it would profile the boot to make it go faster
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: sreadahead is reprofiled automatically when appropriate (trigger-based) afaict
[12:53] <mickster04> well it hasnt started then
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: how are you determining this?
[12:53] <mickster04> can i manually get it to profile
[12:53] <mzz> mickster04: also see /etc/cron.monthly/sreadahead
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> its not been a month. :)
[12:54] <mzz> Dr_Willis: yes, but guessing from the occasional output during apt-get runs it also triggers that on installing certain packages
[12:54] <mickster04> well according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1283722 i could delete something to force it to reprofile, but i dont have that thing to remove
[12:54] <heng> I'm trying to debug a suspend issue on my laptop. Can anybody describe to me the signal path that occurs when a suspend signal is issued, and how I might debug it? I'm not getting any kernel log messages which doesn't help.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> wow - look at all the /var/log/bootchart stuff i got.. I should remove that..
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> chrism2671: you could move all ~/.g* folders into a new folder then log in, new gnome config folders will then be created.
[12:55] <mzz> mickster04: is the sreadahead package actually installed?
[12:55] <om26er> and download manager for ubuntu that support multi threaded downloading like DAP and IDM
[12:55] <om26er> any*
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  ive noticed the normal package manager doing that  in some cases.. (or at least it looks like it is) when i am getting updates from different repositories.
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> but not quite the same I guess as multi-threading.. :)
[12:56] <mickster04> mzz how do i find out?
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen it get the ubuntu updates, and the chromium updates at the same time at least. a few times
[12:57] <om26er> Dr_Willis: download manager which i can use to download images from cdimae.ubuntu.com at a faster rate
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  not used one of those in years.
[12:57] <mzz> mickster04: "apt-cache policy sreadahead" is one way
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> filezilla perhaps.
[12:57] <mzz> or "dpkg -l sreadahead", I guess
[12:58]  * Dr_Willis is polite and tries to not hammer the servers.
[12:58] <mickster04> mzz, its installed
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> om26er: it can only come down as fast as the connection you pay for from your provider
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> !info sreadahead
[12:58] <mzz> mickster04: ok. Does /var/lib/sreadahead/ exist?
[12:58] <om26er> ActionParsnip: i get 80-90kb/s and my network gives me 200
[12:59] <om26er> multiget is a multi threaded downlaoder
[12:59] <om26er> but interface is ekh
[12:59] <mickster04> mzz, yes but only contains debugfs
[12:59] <mzz> mickster04: ok. Is there anything fishy about your boot process? Any initramfs (initrd) customizations, etc?
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> om26er: maybe but if you pay for a 10Mb line, your provider will not give you more than 10Mb connection speed no matter what software you use
[12:59] <mzz> mickster04: might want to boot with the splash off and check for suspicious messages, etc.
[13:00] <mickster04> mzz, its the default install...
[13:00] <om26er> ActionParsnip: if you have a high network ping then these kind of softwares are very useful
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> om26er: true
[13:00] <mickster04> it says sumat about vga=788 or something but thats before the splash
[13:00] <mzz> mickster04: also, did you actually reboot recently?
[13:01] <mzz> mickster04: (because I'm pretty sure that packfile is deleted automatically if you upgrade certain packages)
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> om26er: secret is to buy a low contention link rather than some cheap garbage, most don't look at that
[13:01] <mzz> mickster04: so if you haven't rebooted since the last time you installed or upgraded packages, do so
[13:01] <mickster04> mzz, yes i have just turned on again, i can reboot tho seeing as i think i did update stuff
[13:01] <mickster04> bbl
[13:05] <om26er> some time my wireless stop working and dmesg says link not ready
[13:05] <mickster04> mzz, you were right
[13:05] <mickster04> :/
[13:05] <mickster04> thanks
[13:06] <chrism2671> mzz: i updated dropbox, doesn't seem to have fixed it. i think i'm going to give up for the time being (and use XP!) and wait for the final release now
[13:06] <bigbrovar> is it possible to downgrade the version of xserver shipped with karmic to the version in jaunty which allows u to use EXA instead of the UXA which ships with karmic
[13:06] <chrism2671> mzz: in the past some errors have just appeared and then vanished the next due to subsequent updates
[13:06]  * mzz doesn't know what dropbox is
[13:07] <om26er> bigbrovar: what's the problem with UXA. for me its faster than ever
[13:07] <mzz> bigbrovar: I guess that might live in some ppa somewhere, but it's supposed to be unusual to want to do that
[13:07] <bigbrovar> because my laptop running karmic is becoming unberable at least on jaunty i could enable EXA greedy mode which helped alot
[13:09] <om26er> bigbrovar: if you are using jaunty you should ask this in #ubuntu
[13:09] <bigbrovar> mzz> there is a bug reported on the issue, so am not alone intel X3100 really chobby on karmic
[13:10] <bigbrovar> om26er> am on karmic. I was wondering if its possible to downgrade to anm Xserver which supports EXA greedy mode (like the version shipped with jaunty)
[13:18] <tapia> hello
[13:19] <shadeslayer> tapia: hu
[13:19] <bazhang> hi
[13:19] <shadeslayer> *hi
[13:19] <tapia> am I wrong, or glade-2 has been removed in karmic?
[13:19]  * shadeslayer gets ubottu to say hi
[13:19] <shadeslayer> !hi | tapia
[13:19] <ron273> hi guys, on upgrading from 9.04 to 9.10 the update manager crashed. Now I have a mounting error and it won't start
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ron273: what mounting error?
[13:20] <ron273> one or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab cannot yet be mounted:
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ron273: can you paste your fstab please?
[13:21] <ron273> it is the last post of this thread:
[13:21] <tapia> Is there any way to install glade-2 on karmic?
[13:21] <ron273> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1297318&page=3
[13:21] <ron273> here it is:
[13:21] <ron273> One or more of the mounts listed in /etc/fstab/ cannot yet be mounted:
[13:21] <ron273> (ESC for recoveryshell)
[13:21] <ron273> swap: waiting for /dev/sda8
[13:22] <Lazy> tapia: glade-2 should be in karmic
[13:22] <bazhang> tapia, are you referring to libglade2-0
[13:22] <tapia> no
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ron273: ctrl+D in a shell..
[13:22] <tapia> glade-2
[13:22] <tapia> the application
[13:22] <ron273> shadeslayer: Where do I do Control D
[13:22] <yofel> !info glade-2
[13:22] <shadeslayer> ron273: in a terminal
[13:23] <yofel> tapia: ^^^
[13:23] <Lazy> oh, it seems to be a dummy package
[13:23] <tapia> try to install it :-)
[13:23] <ron273> shadeslayer: I cannot open a terminal
[13:24] <tapia> it installs glade-3