[00:03] <cuqa> hey friends
[00:03] <cuqa> on my multi monitor setup video full screens are always displayed at the main screen regardless at which display the fullscreen was demanded
[00:03] <cuqa> does anyone of you know where to get a fix for that?
[00:05] <kiw0> bye everyone
[00:06] <soulasassin> can anyone help me with a usb issue? ive just moved from windows to ubuntu 13.10 and it wont detect any usb thumbdrives at all. ive tried running fdisk -l and they arent being detected
[00:07] <cuqa> soulasassin: whats a thumbdrive?
[00:07] <soulasassin> a usb memory stick
[00:08] <cuqa> if thats not even detected by fdisk -l then this is very bad
[00:08] <cuqa> sounds like its broken
[00:08] <bekks> soulasassin: Can you please plug it out, wait 10s, plug it back in, wait 10s again, and then pastebin "dmesg" please?
[00:08] <cuqa> or do you mean no partitions are found?
[00:08] <bekks> !pastebin | soulasassin
[00:10] <sander_ant> howdy
[00:11] <cuqa> howdy ho
[00:11] <soulasassin_> done that
[00:12] <sander_ant> Howdy is there a way to force the replacement of a underlying package (say python) with a different version without removing everything on top of it?
[00:12] <soulasassin_> if i keep dropping off here its because im also having major issues with wireless reception since moving to ubuntu as well
[00:12] <cuqa> sander_ant: apt-get install --reinstall maybe?
[00:13] <MoPac> Hello; I need to get some information about apport if possible. When the apport crash reporting program shows me a kernel oops, is there a text file that I can find that has the same information in it? Alternately, is there some way of copy-pasting the text out of the apport window, which doesn't seem to be enabled by default?
[00:13] <sander_ant> I upgraded to precise, but had python 2.7 installed. I think it's holding a bunch of stuff back.
[00:13] <KI7MT> sander__, removing python is not advisable .. if you need a newer python, you can install and point your script to it in the shebang /usr/bin/python3 for example.
[00:14] <Boreeas> I'm trying to install Gradle from apt, but I get this error:  gradle : Depends: libgradle-plugins-java (= 1.4-2ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:14] <Boreeas> Anyone know what that means?
[00:14] <hitsujiTMO> !info libgradle-plugins-java
[00:15] <sander_ant> KI7MT: I have a problem where I can't get a fair amount of underlying python stuff to install. eg libpython2.7 : Depends: python2.7 (= 2.7.3-0ubuntu3.4) but 2.7.4-2+lucid1 is to be installed
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: are you using any ppas?
[00:15] <KI7MT> sander_ant, How did you upgrade to Precise?
[00:15] <sander_ant> do-release-upgrade
[00:15] <sander_ant> I kept an image of the vm so I may just go back uninstall python 2.7 and upgrade again.
[00:16] <KI7MT> sander__, was this upgrade from 10.04? to 12.04?
[00:16] <sander_ant> Yes
[00:17] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: yeah
[00:17] <sander_ant> The system appears to work but some packages like vim won't install
[00:18] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: http://pastie.org/8652225 these ones
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: Most likely you have some sort of conflict between packages common to both the ppa and the main repo
[00:19] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: Can I force a certain repo to be used?
[00:19] <KI7MT> sander_ant, you need to check Prompt=lts is set not Prompt-normal .. grep '^Prompt=' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: you'd have to look into apt-pinning. but it may interfere what's already installed thats causing the conflict
[00:20] <KI7MT> sander__, If Prompt=normal then: sudo sed -i 's/Prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/' .. then sudo do-release-upgrade
[00:20] <KI7MT> sander_ant, That should nthen take you from 10.04-LTS to 12.04-LTS
[00:21] <KI7MT> *then
[00:21] <sander_ant> Prompt=lts is what it was set to
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy libgradle-plugins-java
[00:22] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: http://pastie.org/8652230
[00:22] <KI7MT> sander__, just to be certain, check your source list in /etc/apt/source.list .. make sure it's set to precise .. then try a dist-upgrade ..
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: can you pastebin the output of: sudo apt-get install libgradle-plugins-java
[00:23] <KI7MT> sander_ant, that should clear the held back packages.
[00:25] <sander_ant> I think it's upgraded, but it has the broken pacakge lodged in. All the sources are precise, but python depends on something from lucid.
[00:25] <sander_ant> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade gets me 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> sander_ant: purge the python 2.7 ppa you were using
[00:26] <hitsujiTMO> !ppa-purge | sander_ant
[00:27] <KI7MT> sander_ant, what's the output of python -V
[00:27] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Python 2.7.4
[00:27] <k1l> !away > timrc
[00:27] <kelevra> hi
[00:28] <Boreeas> http://pastie.org/8652231
[00:28] <Boreeas> libjetty-extra-java wants libtomcat, apparently
[00:28] <cheetah100> #nzoss
[00:28] <KI7MT> sander_ant, That's the right version for 12.04 .. what are you getting errors on, installing other packages, or running an apt?
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: again: sudo apt-cache policy libjetty-extra-java
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: again: apt-cache policy libjetty-extra-java
[00:29] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Yes I think the package is one from ppa:fkrull/deadsnakes
[00:29] <Boreeas> hitsujiTMO: So, I could install libtomcat6-java, and now installing gradle works. libtomcat6 removed eclipse and a libtomcat7 on install, that might've been a conflic
[00:29] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: and: apt-cache policy libtomcat
[00:30] <sander_ant> Even though that repo is no longer on the upgraded system. I will try to purge it with the link you gave me
[00:30] <hitsujiTMO> Boreeas: yes that would be it it seems.
[00:30] <Boreeas> Dependency hunting \o/
[00:30] <Boreeas> Thanks for your help
[00:31] <KI7MT> sander_ant, Ahh ok .. well in regards to PPA's, there's no guarantee that LTS to LTS upg will pull the PPA's as well, only thing I can suggest there is purge the PPA's then install the PPA specific for 12.04
[00:31] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: don't think there a need for a python 2.7 in precise ppa tho :P
[00:33] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, ? dont understand what your getting at?
[00:33] <KI7MT> Oh wait, you saying the PPA was python 2,7 ?
[00:33] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: sorry, don't think theres a need for a python 2.7 ppa. He/She was using a 2.7 ppa as its not available in lucid. But 2.7 is in precise. No need for a ppa
[00:34] <sander_ant> yes I had that ppa when the system was lucid. I think instead of removing python2.7 (which was extra) it just used python2.7 that was installed, but the dependencies are now broken.
[00:34] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, Agreed, I missed that somewhere along the line, but yes, no need for a py-2.7 PPA on 2.04 fer sure.
[00:35] <KI7MT> *12.04
[00:37] <wonson> Am I connected?
[00:37] <KI7MT> sander_ant, while there may be a way to work through all the broken deps .. option would be to install 12.04 native, as there's no telling what's been confuzzed with two py2.7 package sets ..
[00:38] <sander_ant> KI7MT: Yeah, I'm going to the backup image again. I will clone that remove the ppa first and upgrade again. Thanks for your help.
[00:40] <KI7MT> sander_ant, ok, well if it's busted again after upgrade, give us a shout.
[00:40] <sander_ant> Will do thanks again.
[00:41] <wonson> hi, just installed xchat. I had pidgin and empathy and all programs freeze up when I open the channel-list window. I'm a noob...any ideas?
[00:42] <Pedobear69> hi
[00:42] <k1l> wonson: pidgin and other multimessenger are not the first choice for irc. irc is quite different to the other messenger protocols
[00:42] <Pedobear69> i need help with ubuntu
[00:43] <k1l> wonson: to open the channel list is not a good idea on a big network like freenode
[00:43] <Pedobear69> what's mythbuntu
[00:44] <somsip> !mythbuntu | Pedobear69
[00:44] <wonson> even x-chat freezes when i open the room-list there must be something up with the way that software interacts with other stuff already on my computer?
[00:45] <wonson> i'd be interested to learn what it was
[00:45] <k1l> !alis | wonson use this instead
[00:45] <k1l> wonson: again: dont use channel list
[00:46] <Pedobear69> ok
[00:46] <Pedobear69> thanks for the info
[00:47] <wonson> thanks, what program do you use k1? once upon a time i never had a problem with channel lists but maybe it's common now?
[00:48] <k1l> wonson: xchat, too. but channel list is very heavy if the network is that big
[00:54] <wonson> ok, well xchat seems pretty cool thanks...something else i've noticed lately though is that on many of the windows I open on my computer generally, It's been impossible to get the mouse on the slide bar. like i'll get the slider to pop up reluctantly but on some windows it just disappears when trying to put the pointer on it?
[00:55] <dgarstang1> Anyone here made images for kvm? Getting "Boot failed: not a bootable disk"
[00:55] <wonson> it's like it's saying a a ah look but no touch
[00:55] <k1l> wonson: you mean the overlay bars?
[00:56] <TJ-> dgarstang1: install a boot loader, GRUB2 is the usual one
[00:57] <dgarstang1> TJ-: I was doing it with parted
[00:57] <wonson> is that what you call them...you know like the slider that allows me to scroll up here for example and see text that's not in the current window
[00:58] <wonson> or currently on the screen
[00:58] <wonson> rather
[00:58] <k1l> yes. the are "minimised" and when you put the mouse over them there is a bigger scroll bar button
[00:59] <wonson> yes , only that bar button often vanishes before i can get the mouse actually on it
[01:01] <k1l> !nickspam > [-mywoooislong-]
[01:04] <wonson> it's working fine here in xchat but some of my other windows...the button will popup on the right of the bar while the mouse is on the left of the bar and vanish when moving the mouse directly to the right where the button is??
[01:14] <hurock> hello all
[01:14] <Nabstylez> Hey
[01:15] <athene_noctua> anyone configured dnscrypt to run at startup in 12.04?
[01:15] <athene_noctua> dnscrypt-proxy, rather.
[01:15] <hurock> i have some networking issues between ubuntu and win7
[01:16] <pztrick> if i set "On Lid Close..." to "Do nothing" and removed requiring password from screen saver, I still get the blue slide-up lock screen (gdm/gnome 3.8). Is there a way to actually "do nothing" ?
[01:16] <athene_noctua> hurock: ##networking is a good place
[01:16] <hurock> thanks will take a look
[01:21] <Lucan> Hi all
[01:22] <Lucan> I have a problem with a repository for fglrx from makson96
[01:22] <Lucan> Oy crap
[01:23] <Lucan> May have to try different  distro that supports hd4670.
[01:23] <Lucan> Nvm
[01:27] <e11> salut
[01:28] <somsip> !fr | e11
[01:28] <pztrick> anyone? closing my laptop lid forces the swipe-up screensaver even if i select "Do nothing" in power management settings. I've also used gsettings to other possibly relevant properties to false (e.g. idle-activation-enabled among others)
[01:29] <pztrick> gsettings to change other*
[01:38] <athene_noctua> where can I place a script to get it to run when I start my computer
[01:43] <Stanley00> athene_noctua: you can try /etc/rc.local
[01:43] <m000gle> Is there a way to manually  set the aspect ratio of the default GNOME Videos media player in Ubuntu 13.10? ... I have two monitors, so any audio visualization defaults to 32:10 (16:10 x 2 monitors).
[01:43] <m000gle> I'm hoping to, when listening to music, have my main monitor with the desktop, and the second monitor as visualization in fullscreen
[01:44] <daniel5556> Hello, I recently purchased an SSD and wanted to use that as my boot drive for ubuntu while using my HDD for general storage. I searched the web for how to go about using both, and set / on my SSD along with the swap area and /home on the HDD. When I try to install ubuntu, I get an error failed to install bootloader. Any ideas?
[01:45] <daniel5556> I am using ubuntu 12.04
[01:45] <john__> echo "a=10" | r=`grep -o '[0-9]\+'` | echo $r, how to let r equal to 10?
Does anyone know when they expect to release 14.04?  I can't wait!</joke>
[01:47] <xseni> ?
[01:47] <millerti> Sorry, it's hard to convey tone of voice through IRC.
[01:48] <john__> any help
[01:48] <millerti> What do you need help with?
[01:49] <john__> echo $r, output 1, not 10
[01:49] <millerti> Um.  That looks like a #bash question, but since you're using ' marks, have you tried removing the back slash?
[01:51] <john__> echo "a=10" | r=`grep -o '[0-9]+'` | echo $r, output 1
[01:51] <thomas__> ##/lang/,##valix-offtopic
[01:51] <fukmny> cool
[01:52] <daniel5556> I recently purchased an SSD and wanted to use that as my boot drive for ubuntu while using my HDD for general storage. I searched the web for how to go about using both, and set / on my SSD along with the swap area and /home on the HDD. When I try to install ubuntu, I get an error failed to install bootloader. I am using ubuntu 12.04, any ideas?
[01:53] <millerti> daniel5556: Do you have the SSD connected to what the BIOS thinks is the first SATA connector?
[01:53] <millerti> Do you have the BIOS configured to boot from the right device?
[01:53] <millerti> Or is this a failure only during install?
[01:53] <daniel5556> I tried going  into bios and manually booting from the SSD and that didnt work
[01:54] <daniel5556> I'm not sure because I have tried installing several times, first 2 times it failed, but next time it worked
[01:54] <daniel5556> But when it said it properly installed, it didnt want to boot up
[01:55] <KI7MT> daniel5556, I'm assuming you manually partitioned the SSD, did you set the Boot-Flag on the SSD while partitioning?
[01:57] <daniel5556> What do you mean by boot flag?
[01:57] <KI7MT> daniel5556, jsut for info, when I stick /home on another drive, which I nromally do, I setup 3 partitions on the first drive /boot / and a swap, making sure to set the boot-flag on /boot partition.
[01:57] <daniel5556> Oh I see
[01:57] <daniel5556> I will try redoing the installation
[01:58] <KI7MT> daniel5556, so, /dev/sad1 == /boot /dev/sda2 == /  and then a swap  .. then /dev/sdb1  /home
[01:58] <DustyBrewer> DustyBrewer: oh hai
[01:58] <KI7MT> */dev/sda1 .. .. ..
[02:00] <daniel5556> my sdb shows as my SSD while sda is my HDD if that makes any difference?
[02:01] <cainong> 啊哈
[02:01] <xseni> LIST
[02:01] <KI7MT> daniel5556, it does when you select which drive to install Grub2 in the MBR
[02:01] <daniel5556> Sorry, what is MBR?
[02:02] <daniel5556> It doesnt ask me where to install Grub2, im a little confused as I am a newbie to linux
[02:02] <KI7MT> daniel5556, (Master Boot Record) .. To keep things straight, I'd swap the cables in the box (if it's a desktop) and get the SSD on on /dev/sda
[02:03] <daniel5556> Ok I will go ahead and do thjat
[02:04] <KI7MT> daniel5556, This is a step by step, it's for 13.04 12.04 and 13.10 are virtually the same: http://askubuntu.com/questions/340965/how-do-i-install-ubuntu-server-13-04-step-by-step
[02:05] <KI7MT> daniel5556, When you get to the section where it asks to install grub to the MBR .. make sure that is the SSD device.
[02:06] <daniel5556> But that is for a server
[02:06] <daniel5556> I am just doing this for my home desktop
[02:06] <daniel5556> I do not recognize any of those screens
[02:08] <millerti> daniel5556: Have you considered installing only to the SSD first and then manually setting up the second drive?
[02:08] <daniel5556> Im not sure how to do that
[02:09] <KI7MT> daniel5556, sorry, I ahd that copped for another issue, here's the desktop: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/install-desktop-latest
[02:09] <daniel5556> Thank you
[02:11] <daniel5556> How much partition space would I allocate for /boot?
[02:12] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: why have a seperate /boot ?
[02:12] <Ben64> you dont need a /boot
[02:12] <grep0r> daniel5556, lets say around 100MB is ok if you use /boot
[02:12] <Ben64> having a /boot will only cause problems in the future
[02:12] <daniel5556> KI7MT: said /dev/sda1 should be a /boot
[02:12] <KI7MT> He's using boot cuz I gave that as an example of how I manually partition.
[02:13] <daniel5556> So 100mb would be fine?
[02:13] <Ben64> don't use /boot
[02:13] <Ben64> just don't
[02:13] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: no. you don't need one
[02:13] <daniel5556> But I want to flag to boot from my SSD dont I?
[02:14] <hitsujiTMO> and 100mb is defo too little for a boot if you did need one
[02:14] <grep0r> daniel5556, its up to you tbh
[02:14] <millerti> On other Linuxes, I like to have a separate /boot that defaults to read-only so that it's harder to trash the kernel.
[02:14] <grep0r> hitsujiTMO, its ok 100mb imo
[02:15] <millerti> Like with Gentoo, I mount r/w only when installing a new kernel.
[02:15] <Ben64> daniel5556: don't put a /boot. really.
[02:15] <KI7MT> I set mine, for Ubuntu to 500-1000 MB .. other distro's 100-200
[02:15] <Bashing-om> daniel5556: if I may chime in, a separate /boot is depreciated, no longer serves a purpose and only adds another level of complexity.
[02:15] <millerti> For some reason, my server (with 12.04 LTS), they installed it with a separate /boot that doesn't mount at all by default,
[02:16] <KI7MT> Bashing-om, Why is it depreciated ?
[02:16] <millerti> I hate it when other people install the OS for me, but it was a "service".
[02:16] <grep0r> millerti, ubuntu server?
[02:16] <millerti> Yes.
[02:16] <zykotick9> Bashing-om: FYI, if you have encrypted-LVM, i think you need a separate /boot... just sayin'
[02:17] <Ben64> zykotick9: thats not whats going on though
[02:17] <grep0r> milamber, try something different ubuntu is crap for me even for desktop (lol)
[02:17] <hitsujiTMO> Bashing-om: its not deprecated. just not necessary for this users case ( and prob 90% of cases where people use a /boot )
[02:17] <zykotick9> Ben64: i'm just commenting, separate /boot is NOT deprecated - it's still required (sometimes)
[02:17] <Ben64> grep0r: that really is not helpful
[02:18] <millerti> I have 32TB of storage, in RAID5, on hardware RAID.  Personally, I'd rather use btrfs software RAID, but it's not mature enough yet.  When btrfs does auto-scrubbing and other such things for RAID5, that's the way to go.  Better for integrity with CRCs in the filesystem.
[02:18] <KI7MT> OK, so what would be the best way for him to use his SSD drive for / and /home on his second drive ?
[02:18] <Ben64> by just doing that. / on ssd, /home on hdd
[02:19] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: i'd certainly wait for it to become "stable" at least :P
[02:19] <millerti> Ok, so I know a little more about this, but I'd consider installing with only the SSD hooked up, and then manually formatting the other drive and adding it to fstab, but that could get a bit involved.
[02:19] <chare> whats taking so long for next ubuntu release
[02:19] <Ben64> chare: nothing. they're on a set schedule
[02:19] <millerti> hitsujiTMO: btrfs is quite good for RAID1.  It's RAID5/6 that is really in need of some work.
[02:19] <chare> So they're lazy Ben64?
[02:20] <Ben64> chare: no? it's not scheduled to be out yet, so it isn't.
[02:20] <daniel5556> I tried skipping the /boot but it told me that it would be better for me to mark something as EFI boot
[02:20] <millerti> If you want rolling releases, go with Arch or Gentoo.  Ubuntu is every 6 months.  Be glad it's not Debian.  :)
[02:20] <Bashing-om> lemme work up a pastie on why a separate /boot is generally a bad idea.
[02:20] <millerti> Or worse, RHEL.  :)
[02:21] <millerti> It's still surprising, though, that Ubuntu isn't better with upgrades.
[02:21] <Ben64> daniel5556: are you trying to get a dual boot system? or ubuntu only?
[02:22] <millerti> And have the finally licked the config file migration problem with package updates?  In the past, it would just leave the out-dated config file in there, not adding any new stuff to it.
[02:22] <chare> what is wrong with btrfs for raid?
[02:22] <daniel5556> Only ubuntu
[02:23] <daniel5556> I had ubuntu before this but only using a hard drive
[02:23] <millerti> chare:  It just needs more development.  We're talking about the built-in RAID, not btrfs on hardware raid.
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: you're installing on a uefi system so, which means you need an efi system partition not a /boot. which is different. an efi system partition should be anywhere from 50 - 500 mb depending. (100 is usually ok for a basic scenario)
[02:23] <daniel5556> I see
[02:23] <hitsujiTMO> chare: btrfs is unstable (not yet finished)
[02:23] <chare> millerti: and once the software raid for btrfs gets completed then whats the point of having hardware raid?
[02:24] <millerti> chare;  There are some performance advantages, especially for RAID5, optimizations done better in hardware.
[02:24] <KI7MT> EFI didn't come into it initially, that's a different deal all together.
[02:24] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: so set sda1 to be 100mb, and an efi system partition and / to be the rest of space
[02:24] <daniel5556> Ok, I'll give that a try
[02:25] <chare> millerti: but doesn't the hardware raid abstraction take away btrfs's ability to do error recovery on a block level using checksum
[02:25] <millerti> Exactly.
[02:25] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: i think the issue became of a misinterpretation of the error message
[02:25] <chare> millerti: what do you mean exactly
[02:25] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: on the ops behalf ofc
[02:26] <millerti> I'm saying that btrfs's built-in RAID5 needs more development.  Just look at their to-do list.
[02:28] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: chare just a reminder. ye are both tslking a
[02:29] <hitsujiTMO> millerti: chare just a reminder. ye are both talking about an unstable in development file system. so ofc there's more of a lot to be worked on
[02:29] <millerti> Yup.
[02:29] <chare> millerti how does hardware raid effect btrfs's Self-healing redundant arrays: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/bitrot-and-atomic-cows-inside-next-gen-filesystems/2/
[02:29] <millerti> Because hardware RAID doesn't utilize btrfs's scrubbing ability.
[02:30] <m000gle> Is there a way to manually  set the aspect ratio of the visualization in Ubuntu's default Totem media player? ... I have two monitors, and was hoping to have one used for a visualization; however, the visualization seems to default to the 32:10 aspect ratio (16:10 x 2 monitors wide).  Going to View>Aspect Ratio does not solve this.
[02:32] <ceciymaxi> hi! running 13.10 and experiencing perfomance dicrease problems. any hint?
[02:32] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, just fty - there's reason why I keep boot in it's own partition, I also format to ext2, but am thinking about a change to FAT or RiserFS  actually. Makes multi-boot configs allot easier for me.
[02:33] <KI7MT> While I use Ubuntu as my primary DE, I test and work on allot of other distros.
[02:33] <chare> so how does btrfs for ssd compare to those filesystems that are dedicated to ssd only
[02:33] <whotoo> does anyone have eclipse-cdt installed?
[02:33] <Thete> There any way to kill the "Configuring bcmwl-kernel-source" process during install of Ubuntu 13.10?  Ubuntu craps out on install at that point
[02:34] <whotoo> or tried to install it?
[02:34] <Thete> Or.. is there a way to drop to a console so I can kill the process?
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: i understand that, but in the indicidual users case its unnecessary. personally, i'm kind of sick of talking users thru how to remove old kernels from /boot because they unnecessarily created a /boot partition without the need for one. or helping someone fix a broken upgrade after running out of space in /bopo
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> /boot* during a do-release-upgrade
[02:35] <ceciymaxi> anyone that can lead me to find the cause of a performance problem with ubuntu 13.10?
[02:35] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: most people do not need a /boot
[02:35] <NastyNaz> is there a way to tail -f but with grep so i only see certain lines?
[02:36] <somsip> NastyNaz: yes. Though someone once told me it caused some sort of output problems. But I've never had problems myself
[02:36] <chare> so I should use ZFS over btrfs then...
[02:37] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, I agree, and if I knew he had UEFI .. I wouldnt' have spoken up at all, as I don't have a system to test it. For those upgrade kernels, if the dont know how the system works, they probably should not be messing with kernels to begin with.
[02:38] <daniel5556> So considering I ended up using /boot after all would I just want to re-install ubuntu completely and delete the old partitions if I decide to upgrade?
[02:38] <daniel5556> Rather than go through the trouble
[02:38] <hitsujiTMO> daniel5556: if its a simple fresh install just go for a reinstall.
[02:39] <KI7MT> hitsujiTMO, But point-taken, should have recommended / and /home
[02:40] <hitsujiTMO> KI7MT: sometimes you need to coax the full story from the user.
[02:40] <millerti> ZFS doesn't have in-kernel support in Linux, which is a disadvantage.
[02:42] <whotoo> i'm new to this but i'd like to learn a bit about programming so i installed eclipse-cdt from the software center but when i start the program up, the option to open a c++ project is not available. so i uninstalled it and redid it from the command line...same problem...?
[02:46] <hitsujiTMO> whotoo: #eclipse might give you a faster response
[02:46] <whotoo> cheers!
[02:51] <fukmny> dang im confused
[02:51] <hitsujiTMO> !details | fukmny
[02:52] <fukmny> is there a way to search chat topics?
[02:53] <somsip> fukmny: logs at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[02:53] <fukmny> thanks
[03:01] <penguinman> are the repos really slow for anyone else tonight?
[03:02] <daniel5556> Seems like it, taking me forever to download packages when installingubuntu compared to last time
[03:02] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: your repos would be set local to you. which ones are you usingg?
[03:03] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: fresh install, let me check really quick
[03:04] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: whats the first line of: cat /etc/apt/sources/list | grep htttp
[03:04] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: whats the first line of: cat /etc/apt/sources/list | grep http:
[03:04] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: just the normal US ones, archive.canonical.com and security.canonical.com
[03:05] <KI7MT> Precise seems normal here, Trusty a bit sluggish
[03:05] <hitsujiTMO> not us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[03:05] <penguinman> seems to be picking up a little bit, but was getting 30kbps down earlier, took over an hour to install the language packs
[03:06] <penguinman> normally on this connection  it takes about 15-20 mins for a full install
[03:07] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: if you need, try temporaily changing to ca.archive.ubuntu.com or another mirror in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[03:08] <penguinman> hitsujiTMO: good idea, don't know why I didn't think of that. was just curious if it was a known problem right now.
[03:08] <hitsujiTMO> penguinman: prob just an issue with that specific mirror
[03:11] <gwxcore> I'm not sure how to go about doing this, I'm new to linux, and it's worked great on everything except my wifi driver on my laptop. Can anyone help me, and if so, what information do I need to give anyone so they can help me
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: are you on that laptop now?
[03:11] <gwxcore> yes I am
[03:11] <gwxcore> Hardlined
[03:11] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[03:12] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: lspci -knn | pastebinit
[03:12] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: that should produce a url, please paste it here
[03:13] <penguinman> yeah, the canadian mirrors are running at full speed. might just leave it set to these permanently
[03:13] <gwxcore> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6789483/
[03:14] <gwxcore> I tried a solution posted on the forums, but that produced errors, need the link to what I tried
[03:15] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: whats the output of: uname -r
[03:15] <gwxcore> 3.8.0-35-generic
[03:16] <sam___> ok this is the result to lsusb for me I need {Vendor ID, Product ID, Revision, product, serial number, port to configure my virtualbox usb http://pastebin.com/AXh7JwFw please give a bit of help  I don't know which is which
[03:17] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: are you running raring?
[03:17] <sam___> can somone help me configure my virtualbox usb setting on ubuntu host?
[03:18] <gwxcore> raring? I don't know, I haven't started anything by that name
[03:18] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: cat /etc/issue
[03:19] <gwxcore> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[03:19] <penguinman> gwxcore: you may want to try the current release versus the LTS if its a hardware support issue.
[03:20] <cfhowlett> gwxcore, what are your hardware specs?
[03:20] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: it seems the driver is fixed in kernel 3.11
[03:20] <gwxcore> 13.04 gives me black screen when it attempts to go to persistent, live, or install mode
[03:20] <penguinman> gwxcore: what about 13.10?
[03:20] <gwxcore> I'm running a Toshiba Satellite L75D-A7280
[03:21] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: its odd that 12.04.04 install 3.8 and not 3.11
[03:21] <gwxcore> maybe it was 13.10 I tried. Give me one moment to check
[03:21] <gwxcore> Its the one I got through the LiLi tool
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: with lili, download the iso from ubuntu.com instead
[03:22] <hitsujiTMO> it will still work with the tool
[03:23] <gwxcore> Oh...so I have to reinstall?
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: not 100$ but it might be quicker to resolve with a resinstall
[03:23] <hitsujiTMO> 100%*
[03:25] <gwxcore> Ok so I need to get the 13.10 version from the ubuntu website?
[03:25] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: thats what i would do. then manually add it to lili
[03:26] <cfhowlett> gwxcore, no good reason to get it anywhere but the source IMO
[03:26] <gwxcore> I know whatever 13.something that LiLi gave me acted like it was booting but then went pure black screen, like my laptop was off.
[03:26] <gwxcore> is that something to be concerned with? Or is that a possible issue that downloading from LiLi caused?
[03:26] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: if that happens, you could try seeing if you can get to grub and adding nomodeset to the linux command
[03:27] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: what gpu do you have?
[03:28] <gwxcore> ati 8400m or something, give me a minute to double check
[03:29] <gwxcore> ati radeon hd 8400
[03:29] <gwxcore> amd I mean
[03:31] <sam___> http://pastebin.com/41wxq3K3             ok I found all the info now but port number for my virtualbox usb setting I think its 50 but I see its writen prot not port!! I did enter it but nothing happend
[03:31] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: use nomodeset. you gpu isn't covered in the the radeon driver <13.10 at least. certainly dont think is covered in the latest either so there might be a few issues there
[03:31] <sam___> help please
[03:32] <gwxcore> I'm running World of Warcraft in Wine with the driver I got from Proprietary drivers app thing just fine, if that says anything
[03:32] <gwxcore> ok so use nomodeset
[03:32] <gwxcore> how do I go about doing that
[03:33] <cfhowlett> !nomodeset|gwxcore,
[03:33] <gwxcore> thank you
[03:34] <mailuy> que es la que hay!
[03:34] <cfhowlett> !es|mailuy,
[03:35] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: the radeondriver is the open driver. fglrx is the proprietary driver. by default ubuntu will be loading the open driver which can have issues on some systems without nomodeset
[03:36] <gwxcore> gotcha. I'll try 13.10 with that nomodeset trick
[03:37] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: with such a new gpy, it may be a good excuse to test 14.04 if you're an experienced linux user
[03:38] <hitsujiTMO> gpu*
[03:39] <Thete> 14.04 is pretty damn awesome
[03:39] <gwxcore> I am absolutely the opposite of a linux user. Had a one semester course in high school when 9.something was the new stuff I think. Worst case scenario I'll try your advice and be back here in 30 minutes
[03:39] <cfhowlett> !trusty|Thete,
[03:40] <SixtyGig> can somebody tell me what xchat is.  i'm a new ubuntu user.  a friend gave me a hard drive with it.
[03:40] <VKB> SixtyGig: It's an IRC client
[03:40] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, much like the one you are using this moment
[03:40] <SixtyGig> ya i don't know what an irc client is!
[03:40] <hitsujiTMO> gwxcore: then stick to the stable release.
[03:40] <VKB> SixtyGig: That's how you're talking to us, using IRC.
[03:40] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, that thing you just typed your response in is an IRC client
[03:41] <SixtyGig> i know!  but am i on a website!
[03:41] <SixtyGig> or is this like yahoo msg or what
[03:41] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, then you are on a browser IRC
[03:41] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: you are chatting on an irc server, via an web based irc client
[03:41] <cfhowlett> !irc
[03:41] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, read and learn ^^^   :)
[03:42] <SixtyGig> do i compare this to yahoo messenger?
[03:42] <VKB> SixtyGig: It's like chat rooms.
[03:43] <SixtyGig> like a chat room... hmmm.. okay i've been on a chat room before inside a website... how can i get directly on a chat room though without being on a website
[03:44] <VKB> SixtyGig: You use an IRC client, like xchat
[03:44] <SixtyGig> thinking...... lol
[03:44] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, here's a thought.  fireup xchat and see for yourself how it works and what it does.  to get back here; open the ubuntu servers then the #ubuntu channel
[03:45] <hitsujiTMO> !ctcp info SixtyGig
[03:45] <SixtyGig> k well i see how it works  i got on it with puppy trying to fix my computer a few months ago.. now a friend gave me a hard drive with ubuntu
[03:45] <hitsujiTMO> !ctcp SixtyGig info
[03:46] <SixtyGig> whats ictcp
[03:46] <hitsujiTMO> hmm, the difference between a / and a ! can be immense :P
[03:46] <cfhowlett> :)
[03:47] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: thats me querying your client to see what you're using
[03:48] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, I must be doin' it wrong.  No useful feedback ...
[03:48] <SixtyGig> ic..i have an ubuntu question... when i was using puppy, i had to learn how to install software... i never really got the hang of it.. just needed adobe but here i looked for xchat and it installed automatically  will i be able to do that with any software i use on ubuntu?
[03:48] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: it seems you're not using a web client but using xchat itself
[03:49] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: its responds to version not info. hes using xchat
[03:49] <SixtyGig> yes, i knew that...i thought it was for puppy.. was going back in there to ask a friend a question..
[03:49] <cfhowlett> SixtyGig, xchat did not install automatically.  you authorized it somewhere
[03:49] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: /ctcp user version
[03:49] <SixtyGig> well yes but i mean i didn't have to use any commands except "install"
[03:49] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, thanks.
[03:50] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, is that a freenode command?  where would I find more of the same?
[03:51] <SixtyGig> ok so how to i find the puppy chat i was using wher ei had a couple friends
[03:51] <whotoo> how do i sort out a conflicting dependency issue for failed update install if it doesn't say what it is?
[03:52] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: ctcp isn client to client protocol                  its a somewhat independent irc command structure which is client dependent. typically the only commands are ping, time, info and version
[03:52] <ghs> Someone here uses a version old of ubuntu ?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, so it's an IRC command then?
[03:52] <VKB> ghs: What do you need?
[03:52] <cfhowlett> ghs, "old"?  meaning?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> !details|ghs,
[03:53] <ghs> Well, I want to use the ubuntu without unity.
[03:53] <rww> !xubuntu
[03:53] <VKB> ghs: Do you know what DE you want to use?
[03:53] <cfhowlett> ghs, no problem.  logout out.  choose a different desktop environment.  login
[03:54] <cfhowlett> !nounity|ghs,
[03:54] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: ctcp is irc, but the indivual command in interpretted by the client and therefore client dependent.
[03:54] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, ok.  thanks.  "You know, I learned something today!"
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: /ctcp user time       is the best use i find.g
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: good for determining a users timezone
[03:57] <hitsujiTMO> cfhowlett: seems you're utc +8 :P
[03:57] <ghs> cfhowlett, I'm using the Kubuntu currently. apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop ?
[03:58] <cfhowlett> hitsujiTMO, seems about right.  It's a beautiful, sunny and uncharacteristically clear day in Beijing
[03:58] <VKB> ghs: To get GNOME, yes.
[03:58] <VKB> ghs: It all depends on what desktop environment you want.
[03:58] <ghs> VKB, without unity ?
[03:59] <VKB> ghs: Every DE besides unity is without unity.
[03:59] <VKB> ghs: GNOME is GNOME 3
[04:00] <Crazydog> sudo apt-get install?
[04:00] <VKB> Crazydog: That's how you install stuff without the software center.
[04:00] <Crazydog> Oh. I'm newbie :P
[04:00] <VKB> Crazydog: you run that in the terminal
[04:01] <VKB> Crazydog: no worries. :)
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> manual | Crazydog this might be helpful then
[04:01] <hitsujiTMO> !manual | Crazydog this might be helpful then
[04:01] <Crazydog> Still learning linux.  Mess around with it every so offen in vmbox
[04:01] <nearst> learning is good :)
[04:01] <cfhowlett> Crazydog, good way to learn it
[04:02] <VKB> Crazydog: Everyone here had to learn at some point. VMs are a good way. :)
[04:02] <Crazydog> Read some tutorials and what not, but its obviously something you dont learn over night :P
[04:02] <VKB> Crazydog: I've been using Linux for almost 4 years, and I'm still learning stuff.
[04:02] <nearst> try and error is a good way xD
[04:02] <Crazydog> ya
[04:02] <LinuxBoey> Has anyone had any luck installing Ubuntu 13.10 on a MacBook Air 2013?
[04:03] <Crazydog> took me like 2 hours to figure out pastebinit, but considering no one helped me except google.  not to bad
[04:03] <Crazydog> :)
[04:04] <qin> Crazydog: man pastebinit?
[04:04] <hitsujiTMO> !mac | LinuxBoey this any good to you?
[04:07] <SixtyGig> i saved someone to my friends list.  now how do i find the friends list lol
[04:07] <hitsujiTMO> LinuxBoey: please not that there are some mac specific isos that can possibly deal with some issues: see am64+mac in http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/
[04:07] <hitsujiTMO> s/not/note
[04:08] <Crazydog> My problem with linux is I don't see the whole picture yet.  I'm not sure about the root, or the dirs in it, i know each one controls different things like windows, but a lot of the libarays are confusing.
[04:08] <naknomik> Trying Banshee Media player, I see some UPNP servers under shared media but they're all greyed out.
[04:08] <cfhowlett> Crazydog, what's your intended knowledge target?  user?  deverloper?  coder?
[04:08] <qin> SixtyGig: Meta key and type "contacts", unless it is app specyfic list, like Steam.
[04:08] <hitsujiTMO> !fhs | Crazydog
[04:09] <SixtyGig> new to linux.. what's a meta key lol
[04:09] <SixtyGig> also what is a vmbox
[04:09] <Crazydog> Well.. Good question.  Never thought about that. Maybe a little of each.  Jack of all trades, but master of none :P
[04:10] <hitsujiTMO> SixtyGig: "meta key" is dependent on context. vmbox would be a virtual machine box
[04:10] <qin> SixtyGig: most commonly windows logo
[04:10] <cfhowlett> !manual|Crazydog, might want to decide as it will inform what you read/study.  that said, see the ubuntu manual
[04:10] <VKB> SixtyGig: VMs are virtual machines. They let you run virtual computers to test other operating systems without installing them directly to your computer. It also allows you to run multiple OSes at once.
[04:10] <SixtyGig> the context is how do i view my friends list now that i saved someone!
[04:10] <qin> SixtyGig: Wait, are you on unity? Then click on dash
[04:10] <SixtyGig> ok gotcha vkb thx
[04:11] <SixtyGig> new to linux.  don't know what unity is lol
[04:11] <SixtyGig>  don't know what dash is lol
[04:11] <vinse> Hi guys!
[04:11] <cfhowlett> vinse, greetings
[04:11] <cfhowlett> !manual|SixtyGig, read more
[04:11] <nearst> !dash | SixtyGig
[04:11] <vinse> I was wondering if someone can give me a hand reinstalling a few packages. I updated my gnome-online-accounts and it removed my ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <vinse> now my computer thinks it's a phone
[04:11] <Evil_Eric> whats the chan you guy use for off topic stuff
[04:12] <cfhowlett> !ot|Evil_Eric,
[04:12] <cfhowlett> vinse, what version of ubuntu?
[04:12] <Evil_Eric> thank you
[04:12] <SixtyGig> k i'm saving the info you guys are giving me..
[04:12] <vinse> Raring
[04:12] <vinse> cfhowlett http://i.imgur.com/MdFh07t.png
[04:13] <vinse> I'd like to uninstall the stuff I installed and just reinstall what I uninstalled
[04:13] <SixtyGig> what does it mean when you guys put an exclamation point in front of a word!
[04:13] <cfhowlett> vinse, and "thinks its a phone"???
[04:13] <vinse> My System settings shows Phone stuff
[04:13] <naknomik> Will I get help about Banshee Media Player?
[04:13] <vinse> let me show you a picture
[04:13] <cfhowlett> !ask|naknomik,
[04:13] <SixtyGig> i'm disturbingly new..  when and where do you use an exclamation point in front of a word and why lol
[04:14] <VKB> SixtyGig: They're IRC commands
[04:14] <vinse> cfhowlett -> http://i.imgur.com/xPx0koX.png
[04:14] <cfhowlett> vinse, huh.
[04:14] <SixtyGig> this is different than yahoo msgr then.. if i can give commands in the middle of the chat lol
[04:14] <naknomik> Banshee shows my UPNP servers (shared music from Windows, Plex, Mini-DLNA etc) but they're all greyed out. Wonder why
[04:15] <vinse> thats the photo of my settings cfhowlett. I've lost the gnome-center :(
[04:15] <cfhowlett> vinse, one step at a time; updating online accounts doesn't delete software so ... you authorized some changes.  I'd suggest you reinstall gnome-center
[04:15] <SixtyGig> thanks for info everyone.. going to eat... before i go can someone tell me in plain english how to access my friiends list now that i've saved a few..
[04:16] <cfhowlett> vinse, but "about this phone"?   what is your hardware?
[04:16] <vinse> It's a Asus Zenbook UX31A
[04:16] <cfhowlett> vinse, !
[04:16] <vinse> i authorized it to update some dependencies
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, I'd suggest this: backup data.  now.  then reinstall.
[04:17] <vinse> and yeah it updated me to the ubuntu phone OS control panel
[04:17] <vinse> n000
[04:17] <vinse> :(
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, how did you update?
[04:17] <vinse> I just used apt-get install
[04:17] <cfhowlett> vinse, and "guessing" did you enable the "propsed" repositories or something?
[04:18] <vinse> nope.. don't think so
[04:18] <vinse> let me check
[04:18] <vinse> no didnt
[04:19] <cfhowlett> vinse, apt-get install is NOT update.  sudo apt-get update (check and update the system package list)  sudo apt-get upgrade (install upgrades to installed packages)  apt-get dist-upgrades (install latest packages available for this distro)
[04:19] <cfhowlett> vinse, anyway, as I said, stop here: backup everything essential.  the reinstall ubuntu
[04:19] <vinse> oh sorry I'm switching the terms. I apt-get installed gnome-online accounts
[04:20] <vinse> there's no way of "downgrading"?
[04:20] <cfhowlett> vinse, I don;
[04:20] <cfhowlett> vinse, IDK and that "phone OS" thing confuses the heck out of me...
[04:21] <vinse> well hmm from what i understand
[04:21] <mccawr> Hey I can't boot ubuntu
[04:21] <vinse> I installed all the things that i lacked for gnome-online-accounts
[04:21] <vinse> than it uninstalled the old stuff
[04:21] <vinse> which was libgoa-1.0-0 and such
[04:21] <vinse> i just really need ubuntu-desktop back and gnome-control-center
[04:21] <vinse> Is there a way I can reinstall those? like apt-get install certain version or find the .deb files online?
[04:22] <cfhowlett> vinse, sudo apt-get install packagename.deb
[04:22] <nearst> vinse, try apt-cache search <package>
[04:23] <vinse> how would i indicate versions
[04:23] <mccawr> Can anyone help me with ubuntu not booting
[04:23] <cfhowlett> !details|mccawr,
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> !info gnome-online-acco7nts
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> !info gnome-online-accounts
[04:24] <cfhowlett> !raring
[04:24] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: are you using ppas?
[04:25] <nearst> mccawr, define not booting
[04:25] <mccawr> When I boot the laptop it gives me an error 0xc000007b, tells me to put in install disk and reboot
[04:25] <vinse> yeah I am hitsujiTMO
[04:26] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: what ppas are you using?
[04:26] <cfhowlett> vinse, also, 13.04 is only supported for 9 months - time to upgrade?
[04:26] <nearst> mccawr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/356702/error-0xc000007b-after-installing-ubuntu-13-10
[04:27] <vinse> the PPAs I have are Gnome3, Wine, NoobsLab
[04:27] <vinse> says I'm on 14 not raring anymore
[04:28] <lwizardl> so what would be a scanner app the would be similar to the standard one on windows (xp for example)
[04:28] <vinse> I mixed it up sorry
[04:28] <nearst> !14.04 | vinse
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: then you will have to contact the gnome3 ppa maintainers for that specific issue as it would not be supported here. You are using a diffferent version to that of the ubuntu repos. and as cfhowlett has already said, yuo should upgrade your system. 13.04 is isnoy supported for another few days
[04:29] <vinse> How do I upgrade?
[04:29] <cfhowlett> lwizardl,  xsane I believe
[04:29] <vinse> I thought apt-get dist-upgrade was good enough
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> !upgrade | vinse
[04:29] <lwizardl> I have tried xsane, skanlite, simplescan and they do not seem to have the same option as the MS one. I want to be able to adjust the contrast and darken the text. but when I try these apps it just makes the background into a grey
[04:30] <cfhowlett> vinse, sudo apt-get dist-release
[04:30] <hitsujiTMO> s/isnoy/only
[04:30] <vinse> says invalid option. but I'm sure I'm update to day
[04:30] <vinse> date*
[04:31] <cfhowlett> vinse, system>settings>update manager
[04:31] <vinse> yeah I'm sure I'm update to date. hmm
[04:31] <qin> vinse: do-release-upgrade
[04:31] <vinse> It says it's up to date
[04:32] <hitsujiTMO> vinse: whats the output of: cat /etc/issue
[04:32] <vinse> no new release found
[04:32] <cfhowlett> qin, thanks.  I upgrade only LTS to LTS and I can never remember that dern command
[04:32] <vinse> Ubuntu Trusty Tahr (development branch) \n \l
[04:32] <cfhowlett> vinse, then download the ISO and installl
[04:32] <qin> vinse: foo bar
[04:33] <hitsujiTMO> !trusty | vinse  then this is the channel you should be in
[04:33] <vinse> what's foo bar? I don't really wanna reinstall, it's near exam time and I don't really have time to go pick up a cd drive for my laptop
[04:33] <vinse> I'll give that channel a try
[04:33] <vinse> thanks guys
[04:34] <vinse> Is it possible to install an alternative control panel?
[04:34] <vinse> gnome-control-panel
[04:34] <cfhowlett> vinse, possible and you break it, you bought it.  If you insist on the gnome experience, just install gnome-ubuntu
[04:35] <vinse> I'm already running gnome-shell
[04:35] <qin> vinse: 14.04 has not been released yet. Why do you use beta Ubuntu and expect thinks to acctualy work?
[04:35] <vinse> i mean gnome-ubuntu
[04:36] <vinse> I honestly didn't notice it was a beta
[04:36] <vinse> I just follow random guides on internet on how to install cool thigns like themes and stuff
[04:36] <vinse> I read stackoverflow how to fix gnome online account and now the stuffs all messed
[04:36] <cfhowlett> vinse, so you basically took vanilla ubuntu, cobbled on the gnome packages, installed the gnome control panel and ... oh, wait ...
[04:36] <vinse> no
[04:36] <vinse> more like
[04:36] <cfhowlett> random ... right.
[04:37] <vinse> nvm
[04:37] <qin> ...Rubuntu, random Ubuntu.
[04:37] <cfhowlett> qin, LOL.  I think that version is unsupported
[04:37] <hitsujiTMO> i <3 qin
[04:37] <sec_> anyone help me to ngix rule? this is not working: http://pastie.org/8652597
[04:39] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: before anything i'm going to refer you to http://wiki.nginx.org/IfIsEvil
[04:39] <vinse> You guys don't think it'd work if i just uninstall what I installed and reinstall what I uninstalled?
[04:39] <cfhowlett> vinse, you've mixed and matched and enabled ppa's AND the development version --- go ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:40] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: what did you mean?
[04:40] <qin> vinse: If you have taut you had followed you can try to revert changes, most likely start from removing all ppa and purge all not native insatlls
[04:41] <THeNine> Does anyone know how to change keyboard backlight preferences?
[04:43] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: i mean an 'if' rule is usually a bad idea. i would also return instead of rewrite on a bad referrer
[04:44] <hitsujiTMO> THeNine: can you give exaxt details. what are you experiencing that needs changing
[04:44] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: could you fix that rule for me? please
[04:44] <THeNine> hitsujiTMO: my backlight comes on when I plug my laptop in. I don't want that to happen any more
[04:45] <hitsujiTMO> sec_: its dependent on your scenario but maybe a return 403; might be suficcioent
[04:45] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: i want it hit homepage..
[04:45] <sec_> hitsujiTMO: redirect to homepage
[04:47] <jeffrey_f> vinse:  Remove the stuff you installed first.  If that does not fix it, you have a choice or 2.  Remove then reinstall gnome-desktop or do a fresh install (after backing up data).  The thing is: If it gets too borked, you can spend hours and days fixing it or you can just start fresh with a known variable.   Try uninstall/reinstall gnome.  if it is still borked, fresh install
[04:47] <rpcesar> im trying to create/use a PGP key in 13.04. I was under the impression it used seahorse (similar), but the window is missing critical menu options. None of the tutorials line up. I have a "properties" menu when I right click, and I can find an "export", but it seems to be exporting the private key. im really confused.
[04:48] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: kleopatra works well for a gnupg front end
[04:48] <vinse> jeffrey_f I'm trying to reinstall libgoa-1.0-0(3.8.3-2) but i don't quite know how
[04:48] <rpcesar> hmm, ill try that. no issue with it being KDE?
[04:49] <teward> rpcesar: i think you're using a different front-end, did you actually try running `seahorse` ?
[04:49] <rpcesar> i did an apt-get seahorse-<something i forget>, but yea, i think i was using the "default". which looks similar. but not the same
[04:50] <jeffrey_f> vinse: command/terminal--> sudo apt-get autoremove libgoa*
[04:51] <rpcesar> yea typed seahorse into terminal, same window
[04:51] <rpcesar> the only menu option is a plus sign in the top left
[04:52] <rpcesar> i just did an apt-get for kleopatra, but if anyone has any other advice or ideas please let me know
[04:52] <rpcesar> im a programmer, but pretty new to GPG
[04:53] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: the front end is a bit clunky, but works well once you get used to it.  Your first few keys for testing should be expired after 24 hrs....
[04:54] <rpcesar> thats the thing, im trying to do some test runs but am missing some critical steps. ala, i want to export a public key, encrypt a message with it, as well as decrypt
[04:54] <rpcesar> i found an export, but it seems to be exporting the "complete key" (as the dialog indicates) which worries me, especially since the header on it says "private key"
[04:55] <rpcesar> and that export i found through "properties" menu, nothing by right clicking like i see in the various tutorials
[04:55] <rww> stop using the pointy clicky and just use the command-line tool?
[04:55] <rpcesar> i have considered doing that.
[04:56] <rww> gpg --armor --export 93755E08
[04:56] <cfhowlett> rpcesar, programming begins when when gui use ends
[04:56] <rww> or whatever
[04:57] <rpcesar> cfhowlett: i get that. but I serve on an IT comittee and have to explain this to multiple people whom are NOT programmers. which means i have to test run a usable scenario
[04:57] <cfhowlett> rpcesar, point taken
[04:57] <rpcesar> all of a sudden "security" has become paramount (beats me as to why) and im supposed to get everyone using pgp and their own keys.
[04:57] <rww> gpg -r 93755E08--encrypt somefile
[04:58] <rww> gpg --decrypt somefile
[04:58] <KI7MT> rpcesar, it's pretty easy one ya do a few, but create revoke keys for them too: http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html
[04:58] <KI7MT> *once
[04:58] <vinse> SWEET
[04:58] <vinse> fixed it thanks guys
[04:58] <vinse> I just needed to uninstall gnome and reinstall it
[04:58] <rpcesar> its actually more of the "usage" that ill need to make easy. im sure I can create the keys for people once I get a handle on it
[04:59] <KI7MT> rpcesar, it's very similar, though there are diff's, to ssh keys.
[05:01] <KI7MT> rpcesar, This a good run through .  overview as well: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[05:01] <rpcesar> yep, already visited that
[05:04] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I still dont understan the Seahorse problem, it should ahve been installed by default .. 3.6 I think, but it sounds like you looking at seahorse-nautilus
[05:04] <vinse> Is there a way to switch from developer ubuntu to stable?
[05:04] <vinse> development*
[05:04] <rpcesar> is there a way to switch to another seahorse?
[05:05] <KI7MT> rpcesar, There's only one seahorse .. then seahorse agent and the seahorse-nautilus (plugins)
[05:06] <rww> vinse: nope, that would be a downgrade, and we don't support downgrades
[05:06] <rpcesar> you made it sound like im looking at something rather different or have an oddball install for some reason
[05:06] <rpcesar> is this the case?
[05:06] <KI7MT> rpcesar, in term, just apt-cache search seahorse .. you'll see them
[05:07] <rpcesar> yea, shows seahorse, seahorse-daemon, seahorse-nautilus, and seahorse-sharing
[05:07] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You can check if it's installed, dpkg -l seahorse .. should start with ii if installed.
[05:07] <nushor> sorry to bother you guys, but does anyone use an RTL8192CU/8188CU wireless driver? I can't seem to get it to compile on saucy
[05:07] <rpcesar> oh, i type seahorse and it comes up. with that same dialog that doesent match what the tuts show
[05:08] <cjwelborn> can anyone see this character? i found it by accident:     for those who can't see it, its relevant to this channel.
[05:08] <rpcesar> few tutorials ive made it through show things like context sensitive menus for encrypting files, an easy means of exporting (strictly) the public key, etc
[05:08] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You have the Files, top left corner, on this new GUI ?
[05:09] <rpcesar> no, all i have is a single green plus sign, and a search (placeholder: Filter) to the right
[05:09] <rpcesar> the part of creating the keys looks identical to what ive seen (no problems there)
[05:09] <rpcesar> but right clicking a key only shows properties and delete
[05:10] <rpcesar> properties has owner, name and signatures, and details. details has an export, marked clearly as "Export Complete Key"
[05:10] <vinse> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[05:10] <rpcesar> which I presume is not the "public" key, but the private (the file showed what appears to be the private header on it)
[05:10] <vinse> When I was installing ubuntu
[05:10] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I dont have access to a 13.04 build fight now, but on 12.04, when I type seahorse in the term, it brings up the full seahorse app.
[05:11] <nushor> nvm I'll just use this hacked up driver I found on github.
[05:11] <vinse> I didn't know it was development version
[05:11] <vinse> how did I end up with 14?
[05:11] <rpcesar> so basically im using some obscure version of seahorse somehow?
[05:12] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Well, I dont know for sure, but I do know, 13.04 goes out of support this month, so, 13.10 or 12.04 would be better options initially.
[05:13] <KI7MT> with 13.10 loosing support in July I believe.
[05:13] <vinse> I see
[05:13] <vinse> I didn't say what month the 9 month started
[05:13] <vinse> I installed ubuntu like last month
[05:14] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I just checked my 14.04 DE .. same GUi as 12.04 uses.
[05:14] <vinse> I probably won't be installing ubuntu ever again after this. The community seems to be full of not it all dick heads
[05:14] <vinse> know it*
[05:14] <rpcesar> hmmm, so strange
[05:15] <KI7MT> rpcesar, except it's v3.10 v.s. 3.4 on 12.04
[05:15] <rpcesar> seahorse 3.6.3 GNUPG: /usr/bin/gpg (1.4.11)
[05:15] <KI7MT> rpcesar, either way, you want to be moving off of 13.04
[05:16] <KI7MT> rpcesar, That correct for 13.04 gnupg
[05:16] <KI7MT> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal-updates/seahorse
[05:16] <rpcesar> yea, ill be moving to 13.10 sometime over the weekend. is there a way to simply upgrade seahorse perhaps?
[05:17] <rpcesar> ive read some things about 3.10 breaking my particular wireless adapter and I don't want to risk that at this exact moment in time
[05:17] <rpcesar> *13.10
[05:17] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you would enable backports, but that could bring with it a host of other packages deps, not I've not just upgrade seahorse on its own before.
[05:18] <KI7MT> *I've not just upgraded .. ..
[05:18] <rpcesar> well i just did a sudo apt-get upgrade seahorse and its updating
[05:19] <KI7MT> rpcesar, understand about wireless, can't be touchy at times.
[05:19] <KI7MT> *can be touchy ..
[05:19] <rpcesar> I understood what you meant ;)
[05:20] <KI7MT> sri, im on a very small screen and kb at the moment.
[05:20] <SubCool> why am i getting this error? subcool@Mediaserver:~$ sudo xzcat FreeNAS-9.2.0-RC2-f3001e6-x64.img.xz | dd of=/dev/sdd bs=64k
[05:20] <SubCool> dd: opening `/dev/sdd': Permission denied
[05:21] <rww> SubCool: because the sudo only covers the xzcat, not the dd
[05:21] <KI7MT> rpcesar, In any case, you should have Login ; Certificates ; PGP Keys ' Secure Shell .. down the left side of the Seahorse GUI when it opens.
[05:21] <SubCool> ok
[05:21] <SubCool> ty
[05:21] <rpcesar> its updating now, ill see if that fixes it. seemingly updating a lot of crud
[05:22] <rpcesar> openssl, firefox, heck even bind
[05:22] <KI7MT> rpcesar, and Files ' Edit ' Remote 'View and Help on the Top-Bar.
[05:22] <rpcesar> yea, i wasnt getting any of that on the version i am (was, we will see after the update) running
[05:22] <rpcesar> it was very "bare" in contrast to what I was seeing
[05:22] <jeffrey_f> Vinse:  Try a fresh install, get the LTS version.  It is more stable and less bleeding edge software.
[05:23] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Yes, it does not sould like it was fully installed or something , from what you described anyway.
[05:23] <SubCool> rww, thanks, its not frequent that i run in SU.
[05:25] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Even goign through Dash >> passwords and Keys brings up Seahorse, so maybe the update will sort it out.
[05:25] <rpcesar> yea, i was going through dash->keyboards and keys at the beginning. tried "seahorse" in terminal in another attempt. im crossing my fingers.
[05:26] <rpcesar> why in gods name does it need to update cups, lmao
[05:26] <rpcesar> seems totally irrelevent
[05:28] <KI7MT> rpcesar, In case you wanna print your Key maybe :)
[05:28] <litropy> How can I make sure swap is usable? I keep getting these out of memory kill process or sacrifice child messages, and I think it's because it either can't decrypt swap, or it's trying to use a different uuid altogether.
[05:30] <kkf> hello guys
[05:31] <kkf> I need some help with using terminal server on a windows machine and getting into 13.10 ubuntu.  Anyone help?
[05:32] <rpcesar> welp, i now have a menu on seahorse
[05:32] <rpcesar> all my keys are gone however
[05:32] <KI7MT> rpcesar, what does about say for version info?
[05:32] <rpcesar> seahorse 3.6.3 GNUPG: /usr/bin/gpg (1.4.11)
[05:32] <litropy> Ah. yep. I think I got this. I definitely don't have the right uuid.
[05:32] <KI7MT> rpcesar, There still there, you prob need to import them into seahorse
[05:33] <rpcesar> this is funny. if i click on passwords and keys i get the old one
[05:34] <jeffrey_f> kkf: http://www.unixmen.com/install-xrdp-in-ubuntu-13-04/
[05:34] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you can check in terminal, gpg --list-keys for you PG keys
[05:34] <kkf> thank you jeffrey
[05:34] <jeffrey_f> kkf: no prob.  Come back with a report working or not.  If not, we can work from there.  This should work
[05:36] <KI7MT> rpcesar, then ls ~/.ssh/ for ur ssh stuff .. installing sh should not alter current any keys.
[05:36] <rpcesar> ah, actually, i realized that i was in root on the terminal I called seahorse from
[05:36] <rpcesar> apparently its showing the menu in root, and not in the user
[05:36] <kkf> Ok so I did that already.  I get a fuzzy screen.  I am on windows 8.1 and I think that plays a factor if I remember right.
[05:36] <rpcesar> i probably need to refresh my session im guessing
[05:37] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You definitely don't want to be using the root account on any of these distro's causes all sorts of issues.
[05:37] <rpcesar> yea, that was accidental
[05:37] <rpcesar> had a terminal open with it
[05:38] <rpcesar> :/
[05:38] <KI7MT> whoops ! :)
[05:38] <rpcesar> anyways, root has the menu, the other does not , very strange
[05:38] <KI7MT> rpcesar, That may explain the od root menu then
[05:38] <rpcesar> actually no
[05:38] <rpcesar> the one without the menu is the user
[05:38] <rpcesar> the one with the menu is root
[05:38] <rpcesar> (but does explain the lack of keys)
[05:39] <kkf> Any ideas Jeffrey?
[05:40] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I'd log out and back ina  normal user then check the user seachorse GUI .. did you install seahorse with sudo apt-get install or just used the root terminal and apt-get install ?
[05:40] <rpcesar> still sudod it
[05:40] <rpcesar> but it was probably in root
[05:40] <rpcesar> actually i can confirm that
[05:41] <rpcesar> im not logged in as a super-user, i had simply sudo su'd a terminal from before
[05:41] <jeffrey_f> kkf: Win --> Ubuntu connection?
[05:41] <KI7MT> rpcesar, I goofed up one server I had by activating the root account, all sorts of odd things happened, so, I can't realy can't say what affect using the root account has on all apps, other than one should not use it.
[05:41] <kkf> Yes sir.
[05:41] <rpcesar> yea i dont ever log into root, just sudo su if need be
[05:42] <KI7MT> sudo su should be ok
[05:43] <jeffrey_f> kkf: what resolution are you going in with?
[05:43] <Guest22502> hi
[05:44] <kkf> oh I got it to work!!!
[05:45] <kkf> It was the module that wasn't working correctly.
[05:45] <kkf> It messed up the way it was looking.  Thank you jeffrey!  :)
[05:47] <KI7MT> I need to test some install testing, A2 is going out this Wed.
[05:47] <KI4RO> KI7MT, Ham cal?
[05:48] <kkf> Jeffrey next question.  How do I log in from a remote network?  I am assuming I would have to set up a DNS and then connect to it?  I am new to all this btw.  :)
[05:48]  * KI7MT <-== Yup that be the call :)
[05:48] <KI4RO> KI7MT, Nice to meet you
[05:49] <KI7MT> Same !
[05:51] <jeffrey_f> kkf: you would need to set up a VPN between Network A and Network B. Putting a machine as a DMZ host is just asking to be hacked
[05:52] <kkf> Hmm so that is out of the question for me.  Since it is a work network I assume they could tell if I did that?
[05:54] <jeffrey_f> kkf: Not sure what kind of business?
[05:54] <kkf> I work for a non-profit that does education and housing.
[05:55] <jeffrey_f> kkf: If your network guy keeps his eyes open, they'll know.
[05:55] <KI7MT> And probably wont be too happy about it either :)
[05:55] <kkf> That's what I thought.  Is it do able over my phones lte connection?
[05:56] <kkf> Setup a VPN through my phone and then connect?
[05:56] <jeffrey_f> a VPN can be done over any connection.  You'd  need a VPN capable router on both ends
[05:57] <jeffrey_f> actually, scratch that....You'll need a VPN capable router on the end you want to connect to.  If you want an always there connection, then what I previously said
[05:58] <KI7MT> rpcesar, you get the user GUI sorted out?
[05:58] <rpcesar> no, but I discovered GPA.
[05:58] <KI7MT> GPA?
[05:59] <rpcesar> gnu privacy assistant
[05:59] <KI7MT> Oh ok
[06:00] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Terms sometiems get confuzzzing .. OpenPGP is standard, where GnuPG and PGP are the actual apps.
[06:01] <KI7MT> rpcesar, and gpa also
[06:01] <rpcesar> yea GPA shows all the keys, and seems to have tools for signing messages, etc
[06:01] <rpcesar> pretty sure it all interfaces the same thing
[06:01] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am having a problem on my HP G62 my Wifi connection keeps dropping, I have done alot of googling and found the results specifiying that a bunch of people have the same problems (but after waiting half a year) I cannot find a solution. My only solution is to type sudo dhclient and wait a few minutes\
[06:01] <rpcesar> just a different frontend with a few more features (and probably its own slew of bugs)
[06:02] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am having a problem on my HP G62 my Wifi connection keeps dropping, I have done alot of googling and found the results specifiying that a bunch of people have the same problems (but after waiting half a year) I cannot find a solution. My only solution is to type sudo dhclient and wait a few minutes\
[06:02] <KI7MT> rpcesar, gpa is like seahorse pr Kgpg, it's the manager app.
[06:02] <KI7MT> *or
[06:02] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Still baffeled why seahorse not workign for you though.
[06:04] <KI7MT> rpcesar, Yeah, gpa, seahose all them I believe are use GnuPG system, they are just GUI version v.s. cli.
[06:04] <KI7MT> *are using .. .. ..
[06:06] <KI7MT> rpcesar, don't forget about creating a revoke key if you publish ur public key
[06:06] <rpcesar> yep
[06:07] <rpcesar> thanks for the heads up
[06:07] <KI7MT> I have a few hangers out there .. lol .. learned the hard way on that one.
[06:08] <KI7MT> rpcesar, You could always put an expire date on them too ..
[06:11] <diuneigh> can someone help me with Xchat?
[06:12] <jeffrey_f> rpcesar: Create a private, public and revoke key for each key you create
[06:12] <KI7MT> Yeah what he said ^^^
[06:16] <laptop> hi
[06:17] <Guest58294> Q: Just installed a fresh 13.10. Xorg log says 'no screens found(EE)'. What can I do?
[06:18] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, what else is in the Xorg log?
[06:19] <aluchko> might be the driver failing, what's the video card?
[06:19] <PilotsLicense> Right before that it says 'UnloadSubModule "vbe" and then Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration
[06:19] <PilotsLicense> No idea what my video card is, it's an i7
[06:21] <aluchko> think that's an integrated video card, could try vesa and see what happens
[06:22] <PilotsLicense> huh it says there 'VESA(0) V_BIOS addres 0xd00 out of range'
[06:24] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, this help? (sounds like they have an nvidea card, you have any nouveau stuff in yours?) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1991973
[06:26] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: is there anything on that site? looks totally fucked up to me with no CSS and text overlayed over other text
[06:27] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, it's ubuntuforums.org :)
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> hitting "printable version" made it readable
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> does ubuntuforums always look like that?
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> pretty messed up and hard to read
[06:27] <KI7MT> Looks clean here
[06:27] <PilotsLicense> i'll check out if i have any nouveau things going on
[06:28] <aluchko> depends on your browser I guess, looks fine for me
[06:28] <PilotsLicense> chrome
[06:28] <KI7MT> chromium
[06:28] <PilotsLicense> yea actually chromium for me too
[06:29] <KI7MT> Maybe you have paged zoomed in abit or something, but looks normal here.
[06:29] <PilotsLicense> no i have literally no css
[06:29] <PilotsLicense> no colors, everything is in Times, menus are listed as default ULs... no idea why
[06:29] <KI7MT> Yeah, something not right about that then.
[06:30] <KI7MT> I cleared my cache .. loaded ok .. little slow though, or slower than normal anyways.
[06:35] <ubuntuaddicted> anyone familiar with fluxbox? i installed it into xubuntu 12.04.3, choose fluxbox as my session and booted into it. First thing I notice is moving windows it's almost like there's a default wobbly window compositing
[06:36] <ubuntuaddicted> BUT the problem is dragging and moving the window is slower than mollasus
[06:36] <jundoe> hello, is there any channel here for mysql? i have some problems with it, but the people in the mysql channel are not responding
[06:36] <linuxearth> how can i login to the gui of other user from Ctrl+Alt+F3
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> linuxearth, is there already a user logged into the system at ctrl-altf7?
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> ctrl-alt-f7?
[06:37] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, you can ask your question BUT it may or may not be able to be answered
[06:37] <blueingress> Hi, Is there a script to ignore the login/out message in this channel?
[06:38] <linuxearth> i don't know but just have logged in with entering password and username in the gui when the pc starts
[06:38] <linuxearth> ubuntuaddicted: i don't know but just have logged in with entering password and username in the gui when the pc starts
[06:38] <ubuntuaddicted> blueingress, what irc client?
[06:38] <jundoe> ubuntuaddicted: thanks
[06:39] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, sorry, it is irssi.
[06:39] <ubuntuaddicted> linuxearth, and you want to do what? ctrl-alt-f1 thru f6 are terminal sessions without an x server running.
[06:39] <jundoe> i am using irssi as well
[06:39] <jundoe> < jundoe> anybody can tell me what is the problem with my mysql? when i  type "mysql" in my terminal it give me error message: $ mysql
[06:39] <jundoe> 14:34 < jundoe> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through  socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[06:39] <linuxearth> oh but my switch user option is missing somehow
[06:40] <Magiobiwan> I use ZNC then HexChat on my computers
[06:40] <jundoe> sorry bout that
[06:40] <ubuntuaddicted> blueingress, you'll have to google "stop login/log off notifications in irssi"
[06:40] <aluchko> jundoe, the mysql server isn't running
[06:40] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: i did apt-cache search nouveau, but it doesn't look like i have anything installed
[06:40] <jundoe> how to run it?
[06:40] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, Thanks. trying.
[06:40] <sjd_zeus> jundoe: service mysqld start
[06:40] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: thanks
[06:40] <linuxearth> oh but my switch user option is missing somehow
[06:41] <jundoe> unrecognized service
[06:41] <linuxearth> ubuntuaddicted: thanks man
[06:41] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, it may be already running, you aren't specifying what user to log into the mysql server with though
[06:41] <Psil0Cybin> Hey guys how can I find out what Wifi Driver, I am using so I can diagnose my network dropping issue on my HP G62. I find that alot of people had the same issue (back when I remembered) but now I forgot all the links and information
[06:41] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: unrecognized service
[06:41] <jundoe> sorry for being noo
[06:42] <PilotsLicense> aluchko: i don't even have a xorg.conf in my /etc/X11 after install, is that normal? i copied the failsafe in but that doesn't make a difference
[06:42] <aluchko> PilotsLicense, I know they stopped generating it by default but I haven't had video card issues since they did that
[06:43] <sjd_zeus> jundoe: mysql-server installed on your pc?
[06:43] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, what's your problem?
[06:44] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: yes
[06:46] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, you could run the command lspci and look for the VGA one and see what kernel module it says. that's the driver you're currently using then
[06:47] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: it says i have an integraded graphics controller rev 09
[06:47] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, lspci -i i meant
[06:47] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, sorry, lspci -v
[06:48] <KI7MT> lspci -vnn |grep VGA
[06:49] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: for VGA it doesn't say anything about kernel. for some other modules it says a kernel driver in use, not for VGA.
[06:49] <bray90820> Is there any sort of ubuntu touch interface for ubuntu desktop
[06:49] <jundoe> sjd_zeus: how do i start mysql,? i i have installed it a week ago
[06:49] <PilotsLicense> jundoe: tried running mysqld?
[06:49] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, it's probably already running. try ps aux | grep mysql
[06:50] <ubuntuaddicted> PilotsLicense, try sudo lspci -v
[06:50] <PilotsLicense> ubuntuaddicted: i did
[06:50] <jundoe> $ ps aux |
[06:50] <jundoe> >                         grep mysql
[06:50] <jundoe> pio       2837  0.0  0.0  20428   948 pts/1    S+   14:50   0:00 grep --color=auto mysql
[06:50] <PilotsLicense> no kernel module mentioned for VGA
[06:50] <jundoe> where pio is username
[06:50] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, then it's not running
[06:51] <jundoe> ./etc/init.d/mysqld start is not functioning
[06:51] <jundoe> i mean its not working
[06:52] <ubuntuaddicted> jundoe, to start it you would issue sudo service mysql start
[06:53] <jundoe> i used the sudo before the /etc
[06:53] <jundoe> let me try again
[06:54] <jundoe> command not found
[06:55] <jundoe> by the way, i have Mysql workbench installed, would it be possible that they clashed?
[06:56] <riyan> help me setting modem
[06:56] <jundoe> what is your problem with modem?
[06:57] <bray90820> Is there any sort of ubuntu touch interface for ubuntu desktop
[06:57] <Psil0Cybin> hmm I cannot figure out why my HP Pavilion G62 and a Ralink RT5390 keeps dropping the wifi, anyone know what guide can point me perhaps in the right direction, sorry to be a nag guys..I am just lost as usual a little :(
[06:59] <riyan> My modem is not detected
[06:59] <Jordan_U> Psil0Cybin: Ralink's drivers are often terrible :(
[06:59] <KI7MT> jundoe, what's the ouput of: mysqladmin variables | grep socket
[07:01] <Psil0Cybin> Jordan_U: so do you think gloing out to walmart type thing and buying a 25$ wifi card, might fix my issue? if so what what I look for to insure this would never happen again :P it is very frustrating, but I do not want to stray away from Xubuntu 12.04 :(
[07:01] <Psil0Cybin> I just cant use eth0 all the time.
[07:02] <Psil0Cybin> wifi usb card*?
[07:06] <kkf> ok so my router does not allow me to create a VPN.  How would I do this in ubuntu 13.10?  I have a DNS setup through my router as of right now.
[07:07] <not_available> network manager
[07:07] <KI7MT> Psil0Cybin, this a good place to start, last update looks like AUG-2013: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[07:07] <not_available> although i could not get a vpn to work when i tried it kkf
[07:08] <kkf> You couldn't get a vpn to be created using a DNS as ip on ubuntu 13.10?
[07:09] <PilotsLicense> Q: Xorg log says "Screens found but not usable" on Intel i7 laptop with 13.10. Any ideas?
[07:11] <blueingress> ubuntuaddicted, the answer does not work - (about ignore the login/out infor)
[07:12] <KI7MT> PilotsLicense2, Is this one of the new laptops with Intel and NV graphics, optimus I think it's called?
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> i don't know if it has both
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> i only have an i7 sticker on it
[07:12] <PilotsLicense2> how would i find out?
[07:13] <PilotsLicense2> KI7MT: when i do lspci -vnn i don't get more than one VGA device, and that only says Intel Haswell
[07:13] <KI7MT> PilotsLicense2, What have you installed thus far?
[07:13] <PilotsLicense2> KI7MT: only the Ubuntu 13.10 installer, then on first reboot it fell back to console with errors in Xorg log
[07:13] <Psil0Cybin> ty
[07:25] <anonymous> 123
[07:27] <helmut_> hi
[07:31] <Shudorshon> does anyone know how to sign in hotot
[07:31] <Shudorshon> iv got token and inserted it in hotot, but still its not letting me sign in
[07:31] <cfhowlett> !info hotot
[07:31] <Shudorshon> !info hotot
[07:32] <Shudorshon> there is no login info cfhowlett
[07:32] <cfhowlett> Shudorshon, never used it, don't know.  sorry
[07:32] <Shudorshon> holy cat fish :/
[07:34] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: the development of the client seems to be a bit, and the wikipedia states that it "also appears to use excessive Twitter API requests in some circumstances, leading to the user hitting the request limit before their quota resets every hour."
[07:35] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  so ur telling me that i have to wait more 1 hour to get logged in?
[07:35] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: no, I'm telling you you might be better off finding some other app.
[07:36] <Shudorshon> :/
[07:36] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: in all likelyhood it's quite possible Twitter itself is blocking it
[07:37] <Shudorshon> sounds awful
[07:37] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  how do i know if twitter is blocking it
[07:37] <Shudorshon> iv got the pin code from twitter
[07:38] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: well then you're all good. I'd probably use the Hotot Chrome/Chromium thing though.
[07:38] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: https://twitter.com/HototApp/status/344839913344204801
[07:38] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  but afterputting pin number why the holy hotot doesnt allow me to sign in
[07:39] <Myrtti> there we go, answered. Use the Chrome/Chromium Hotot.
[07:40] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  how to use chomium hotot
[07:40] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: which browser do you use?
[07:40] <Shudorshon> ffox
[07:41] <MarkDavies> Shudorshon: what's the problem?
[07:41] <nearst> howdy
[07:41] <Shudorshon> MarkDavies,  the problem, is im using voyager xubuntu 12.04 and i cannot log in hotot
[07:41] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: in that case, I'd recommend you find some other twitter app. There's no point in starting to use the Chrome/Chromium Hotot if you're running Firefox as well
[07:42] <Shudorshon> i put the pin code supplied in my twitter account , and then still the hotot doesnt sign me in
[07:42] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  what if i sign up identica.. there is an idenica sign in hotot
[07:42] <MarkDavies> Would somebody be so kind to strace to his firefox process, open some pretty normal sites (let's say microsoft, mozilla, subaru) and provide me with the output?
[07:43] <Myrtti> Shudorshon: sure, that might work, but identica isn't twitter
[07:43] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  ok i know
[07:53] <PilotsLicense2> !cookie KI7MT
[07:53] <linux> hello ?
[07:53] <PilotsLicense2> !cookie | KI7MT
[07:55] <Shudorshon> damn
[07:55] <Shudorshon> hotot is not working
[08:00] <jundoe> herllo
[08:06] <Shudorshon> how do i share my computer intenet to another xp computer with ethernet
[08:06] <Shudorshon> Myrtti,  do u know how
[08:09] <bray90820> If i close the cover on my laptop will my distro update continue
[08:12] <jundoe> test
[08:12] <somsip> !test | jundoe
[08:12] <nearst> !ask | jundoe
[08:13] <Myrtti> bray90820: depending on what your powersaving settings are
[08:13] <Myrtti> !ics | Shudorshon this might (or might not work)
[08:14] <bray90820> Myrtti: what is the default
[08:16] <bbnick> morning
[08:17] <bbnick> nobody's here with a macbookpro?
[08:17] <somsip> !mac | bbnick (if you get no answers)
[08:17] <nearst> nope. i got p2 here
[08:18] <Myrtti> bray90820: it might shut it off after some time.
[08:18] <Myrtti> ie. attempt to suspend - I can't remember what the default is.
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> KI7MT: this is what I am currently using: Steganography$-$Art$of$hiding$data.pdf
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> KI7MT: this is what I am currently using: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company U98Z062.12 802.11bgn Wireless Half-size Mini PCIe Card
[08:20] <Psil0Cybin> wrong copy and paste
[08:21] <Psil0Cybin> i cant get it to run on my HP >.< I wish I did not have to go out and spend even more money
[08:23] <jony_easyrider> if I exit Deluge, it won't start anymore, only if I restart the system, please help
[08:23] <bbnick> I installed 12.04.3 on this macbookpro, on the secondary disk, now I am stuck at boot, on the clean grub prompt
[08:24] <aeon-ltd> jony_easyrider: have checked if it exited properly? as in no processes running?
[08:24] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, how can I check?
[08:26] <aeon-ltd> jony_easyrider: activity monitor? or in a terminal top or htop
[08:26] <nitstorm> aeon-ltd: ps aux | grep -i deluge
[08:27] <nitstorm> sorry that was meant for jony_easyrider
[08:27] <blueingress> Can anyone tell me how to quickly ignore the  login/out infor in *irssi*? thanks a lot..
[08:27] <nitstorm> blueingress: forward-slash-hereignore #ubuntu ALL -PUBLIC -ACTIONS
[08:27] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, you're right, I killed it
[08:28] <jony_easyrider> nitstorm, ty
[08:28] <jony_easyrider> aeon-ltd, ty
[08:28] <nitstorm> jony_easyrider: np :)
[08:35] <yacc> Stupid question, what happened to ddccontrol in Saucy?
[08:36] <tomboy64> where can i set in ubuntu that the window focus follows the mouse cursor?
[08:36] <ksmth> I am really confused by the downloads page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/
[08:36] <ksmth> is the 64-bit PC install image compatible with Intel processors or not?
[08:37] <tomboy64> ksmth: depends on the generation
[08:37] <somsip> ksmth: it's compatible with 64bit Intel and AMD
[08:37] <ksmth> tomboy64 i7
[08:37] <ksmth> somsip thanks :)
[08:38] <somsip> ksmth: you're fine then
[08:38] <tomboy64> ksmth: that one is amd64 (or x86_64) compatible
[08:38] <yacc> ksmth: AMD64 => that's what Intel 64bit processors emulate.
[08:38] <ksmth> yacc: just learned something new
[08:38] <yacc> ksmth: as crazy as it sounds, 64bit in the Intel architecture was introduced by AMD
[08:38] <tomboy64> hehehe yup
[08:39] <yacc> ksmth: Intel 64bit was meant to be Itanium but somehow that did not work out that well for Intel.
[08:39] <ksmth> and if I'd ever want to VNC to the machine, I'd have to use the desktop image?
[08:39] <tomboy64> intel was crazy enough to try and force a hard switch to ia64
[08:39] <tomboy64> ksmth: it would make things easier for a newbie, yes
[08:39] <tomboy64> ksmth: but if you use the server-image you can ssh into it just as well.
[08:39] <ksmth> tomboy64 just in case. I doubt I will ever use it, but I don't know just yet
[08:40] <yacc> Intel calls it's implementation of AMD's 64bit mode EMT64 or something like that.
[08:40] <somsip> ksmth: you can run X on a server installation if that's what you mean. Plenty of WMs that are smaller and quicker if you only want VNC access
[08:40] <ksmth> somsip well, I'd like the default user interface I'd see when working with a local ubuntu box
[08:41] <somsip> ksmth: if you want unity to be availble, better to use the desktop edition
[08:41] <ksmth> somsip ok, that's what I thought
[08:41] <yacc> anyone got an idea what happened to ddccontrol?
[08:41] <ksmth> thanks :)
[08:42] <yacc> somsip: nothing that an apt-get install cannot solve :-P
[08:42] <ksmth> ah, scrap that. I can install the missing packages when I feel the need for them, right?
[08:42] <somsip> ksmth: yes
[08:44] <blueingress> nitstorm, thx, Trying
[08:46] <yacc> ksmth: kind of trivially, yes.
[08:46] <linuxator> how is ubuntu related to lubuntu an kubuntu?
[08:46] <yacc> Anyway, anyone got an idea how to set it up so that WLAN/LAN port use the same MAC address => get the same IP address from DHCP servers
[08:46] <somsip> !flavours | linuxator
[08:46] <blueingress> nitstorm, I still saw ...." -!- kitty_<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu"
[08:46] <KI7MT> yacc, I think it may be indicator-gddccontrol now
[08:47] <yacc> linuxator: lubuntu/kubuntu => different desktop environments on top of Ubuntu
[08:47] <yacc> linuxator: LXDE/KDE to be exact.
[08:48] <blueingress> nitstorm, even the message commit in status window : "Ignoring CRAP MSGS NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS WALLOPS INVITES NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP  CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS from forward-slash-hereignore
[08:48] <supauli> yacc: i have 'MAC ADDRESS' box on my network manager, but you should be able to se the hw address also on command line
[08:49] <supauli> though, not sure what will happen if you plug both in same network, my guess is problems
[08:49] <supauli> yacc: (for command line, see man ifconfig 'hw' option )
[08:49] <linuxator> yacc:are there distros ubuntu-supported?
[08:50] <linuxator> yacc:are these distros ubuntu-supported?
[08:50] <yacc> supauli: well, actually that would just make the WLAN access point sweat to decide what side of the bridge to put the packets, BUT as the laptop is reachable on both sides, ...
[08:52] <yacc> linuxator: kind of. Define exactly what you mean by ubuntu supported AND what you expect out of this tag.
[08:53] <yacc> Anyway, to return to the real reason, I'm looking for a way to control brightness on my external displays, ...
[08:54] <yacc> the settings app only controls the brightness on the internal screen.
[09:02] <TJ-> yacc: externals probably don't support brightness adjustment in the way you mean (by lowering the CFL output) that laptops do
[09:02] <yacc> TJ: but they do support DDC?
[09:03] <yacc> TJ-: somehow the support for DDC seems to have evaporated, ...
[09:05] <TJ-> yacc: how are the monitors connected?
[09:06] <yacc> TJ-: VGA&HDMI plus the internal panel of  the laptop.
[09:07] <yacc> TJ-: the HDMI is technically a DVI-D display with a passive DVD-D <=> HDMI cable.
[09:12] <seoaqua> can anyone see me pls?
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> seoaqua: yes
[09:12] <Unforgiven> i see you
[09:12] <TJ-> yacc: E-DDC is mandated by the HDMI specification. Are you able to read the EDIDs from the external VDUs?
[09:12] <seoaqua> ActionParsnip,thank god
[09:12] <yacc> TJ-: what tool would tell me? (the screen layout settings do know the monitor by name if that's what you ask)
[09:13] <TJ-> yacc: xrandr uses the EDID info to provide its information
[09:13] <yacc> TJ-: xrandr works.
[09:15] <TJ-> yacc: or you can use the "read-edid" package: "sudo get-edid | parse-edid"
[09:16] <TJ-> yacc: EDID confirms E-DDC is working
[09:16] <yacc> sudo get-edid
[09:16] <yacc> sudo: get-edid: Befehl nicht gefunden
[09:17] <yacc> TJ-: sorry.
[09:19] <TJ-> yacc: As I said, it is in the "read-edid" package
[09:19] <yacc> The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed
[09:19] <yacc> Error: output block unchanged
[09:19] <TJ-> yacc: Is it via an nvidia GPU?
[09:19] <yacc> TJ-: HD4400+750M Optimus with Bumblebee
[09:20] <yacc> TJ-: Acer V3-772G
[09:21] <TJ-> yacc: you could try ddcontrol: https://github.com/ddccontrol
[09:21] <toil> Hi. I'm trying to set up Wireless on Ubuntu Server 12.04, but I'm having some trouble. This is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/3fXynnhT -- It won't connect unless I first login to root. So I have a screen setup on the server, and I have to login to the normal user. according to ifconfig it's up, but no connections are going through.("destination host uneachable"). Then, I run sudo -s, ifdown wlan0, ifup wlan0, and it
[09:22] <toil> Could it be the use of ecryptfs?
[09:24] <TJ-> toil: check "/var/log/syslog" and ensure the routes are correct after boot
[09:27] <toil> ok I'll check that
[09:27] <toil> But it's strange that once I sudo ifdown wlan0; sudo ifup wlan0, it works
[09:28] <TJ-> toil: something else you've configured may be over-writing the default route for wlan0
[09:28] <yacc> toil: have you added wlan0 to the auto directive?
[09:28] <toil> It's a fresh installation
[09:28] <toil> yacc: What do you mean?
[09:29] <yacc> toil: yes, you have ;)
[09:30] <toil> Oh, I see what you ean
[09:30] <VlanX> anyone here know how to use dd?
[09:30] <toil> VlanX:  dd if=/path/to/source of=/path/to/destination bs=4096
[09:31] <VlanX> toil: I wonder if I can clone an OS which is on a USB drive to a HDD to clone it a different moment again to a differend USB drive
[09:32] <toil> TJ-: the 'gateway' setting, is that the supposed to be the Broadcast?
[09:33] <x86_128> !ask
[09:33] <dhruvasagar> Prolonged youtube (even with html5 enabled) usage really bumps the load on the system (load average > 1), is there any known fix ?
[09:33] <x86_128> where's the question format now
[09:33] <toil> !patience
[09:34] <sm0gg> :D
[09:34] <toil> The 'gateway' setting in /etc/network/interfaces - Is that the Bcast? Or just the Router gateway?
[09:36] <x86_128> i'm using ubuntu, the problem is: it's ubuntu, what i expect is: not ubuntu, how do i fix my problem?
[09:37] <Diehard> o.O
[09:37] <DJones> x86_128: If you want Ubuntu that doesn't look like Ubuntu, have a look at Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu
[09:37] <toil> Nevermind worked that out myself.. I should rtfm.
[09:37] <x86_128> :p ok
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> how can I get the contents of a web request in ssh to a link like this? http://localhost/indexJsonOnly.php?code={%22KLEB%22:%20%22NO%22,%20%22KARAB%22:%20%22NRM%22,%20%22GEW%22:%20%22EGG%22,%20%22FABR%22:%20%2280%22,%20%22BEF%22:%20%22ED%22,%20%22LEN%22:%20%226%22,%20%22TL%22:%20%22TL%22,%20%22TYP%22:%20%22DXA%22}
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> Sorry, I should not have added those: {"KLEB": "NO", "KARAB": "NRM", "GEW": "EGG", "FABR": "80", "BEF": "ED", "LEN": "6", "TL": "TL", "TYP": "DXA"}
[09:40] <Wiz_KeeD> I treid wget and it complains it's not valid
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: nobody can access that , the address is 'localhost' which means it will resolve on a viewers PC to their own system, not yours
[09:42] <Wiz_KeeD> okay
[09:43] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Also, you can use curl instead of wget - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7172784/how-to-post-json-data-with-curl-from-terminal-commandline-to-test-spring-rest
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: you will need to forward port 80 on your router then give us your WAN IP etc
[09:44] <toil> OK TJ-: The routes are the same
[09:45] <Wiz_KeeD> nitstorm, that is a good start but I need to send json as GET
[09:45] <TJ-> toil: Does syslog confirm that wpa_supplicant was successful?
[09:47] <toil> Nope it doesn't.
[09:47] <toil> http://pastebin.com/3VYZakQS
[09:47] <toil> I ifdown at this line 123
[09:47] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: If you don't add the -X switch, curl defaults to GET
[09:47] <toil> the line*
[09:47] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Alternatively, you could specify -X GET
[09:48] <NuSuey> anybody got the Lightpack (lightpack.tv) working on Ubuntu? It didn't want to detect my device (lightpack)
[09:48] <Wiz_KeeD> I think I have my answer
[09:48] <Wiz_KeeD> Thank you nitstorm !
[09:49] <Wiz_KeeD> You have been great help
[09:50] <nitstorm> Wiz_KeeD: Np :)
[09:51] <toil> TJ-: Before running ifup/ifdown, wlan0 doesn't have a 'inet addr'
[09:52] <toil> perhaps worth noting lol
[09:53] <TJ-> toil: is there anything else in /etc/network/interfaces, possibly before wlan0 definitions, that could be causing a syntax error?
[09:54] <toil> just ilo, which came on installation
[09:54] <toil> I just tried turning off the auto wlan0, rebooting, and running ifup wlan0 by itself, and it worked fine, too.
[09:57] <toil> meh. i added to /etc/rc.local ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 and it worked
[09:58] <toil> thanks anyways TJ- :D
[09:58] <TJ-> Well that's one way not to fix a problem!
[10:01] <NuSuey> oh, nobody with a Lightpack? :/ meh too bad
[10:03] <learner> hello
[10:03] <learner> is anyone there to help me out
[10:03] <k1l> learner: just ask :)
[10:04] <learner> I am facing an issue with display not being initialized after PC is booted
[10:04] <yacc> k1l: well, it's a new variation on "Can I ask a question" ;)
[10:04] <learner> I see "Error opening display!"
[10:04] <learner> when I press escape, cause the display turns dark and does not respond for long
[10:05] <learner> 12.04 LTS is being used
[10:05] <learner> kill: any clues
[10:06] <learner> k1l: any clues
[10:07] <k1l> learner: is this over ssh?
[10:07] <learner> I can access PC over ssh
[10:08] <learner> but as told on that PC the display is not being initialized
[10:08] <learner> I can access terminal by using ALT + <F>
[10:09] <learner> services are also running as I can also access webserver from other PC
[10:09] <learner> services are also running as I can  access webserver from other PC
[10:18] <Epidemias> Hello Everyone
[10:19] <Epidemias> Does anyone has experience with a MariaDB galera cluster running on ubuntu12.04?
[10:20] <zanzacar> I am currently trying to setup backup software with dropbox. I was using back in time via software center. does anyone have any other suggestions? back in time isn't cutting it.
[10:22] <nitstorm> zanzacar: There is a list of backup tools @http://askubuntu.com/questions/2596/comparison-of-backup-tools
[10:23] <nitstorm> Maybe you'll find what you're looking for
[10:23] <zanzacar> nitstorm: Thats where I found back in time. I just thought that I would poke around arnd see what else anyone might recommend.
[10:23] <nitstorm> zanzacar: LOL :P okies :)
[10:24] <Mace268> zanzacar, you could rsync into a dropbox synced folder, but that may not be what you are looking for.
[10:24] <learner> k1l: do u hv d solution for this problem ?
[10:24] <zanzacar> Mace268: Well that is basically what I am looking for but the dropbox folder has max of 2gb ( free ) and back in time doesn't seem to be able to do what I want getting rid of some of it. or comrpressing etc.
[10:28] <nitstorm> zanzacar: If you're looking for a lot of free cloud storage space, how about Mega?? https://mega.co.nz/
[10:28] <nitstorm> It gives you 50Gigs of space for free..
[10:29] <zanzacar> nitstorm: nice I might have to look into that.
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2037131/supersize-your-free-cloud-storage-to-100gb-or-more.html
[10:30] <tiblock> Hi. I have notebook with WiFi that connected via ethernet to router. Router have WiFi and connected to internet true ethernet cable. My friend have phone with  android that maybe sends some information to some server. I need to sniff trafic. What is best solution for that? I think 1)i can host WiFi from notebook, connect phone to it and sniff trafic. 2)i can connect phone to router and sniff
[10:30] <tiblock> WiFi from notebook.
[10:31] <tiblock> any easier solution?
[10:31] <tiblock> phone dont have root, so i can't install wireshark there
[10:31] <zanzacar> ActionParsnip: thanks for the article. nice info on there.
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> all I did was quack ;)
[10:32] <quackgyver> You can't say that. That's our word.
[10:32] <JoshG> meh
[10:32]  * cfhowlett is thoroughly confused by this thread
[10:33] <zanzacar> I always thought it was a ducks word first...
[10:33] <jargon> that is,it's a running system with ext4 and it's currently not set up for lvm. can i switch it to lvm without having to reinstall the whole system all over again?
[10:33] <jargon> is it possible to change an existing ext4 partition to lvm?
[10:33] <jargon> switched the sentences accidentally,sorry
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> jargon: I'd make the LVM, then restore the data to it from your backups
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> jargon: it may be possible to convert but its not something I've done
[10:34] <jargon> ActionParsnip: so start from scratch?
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> jargon: is the data on it's own partition?
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: not really, you can create a LVM VG, move the partition by copying into the VG.
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: then you can create a PV into partition that hosted the ext4 filesystem
[10:35] <yacc> jargon: and move the content into it.
[10:36] <yacc> jargon: as a last step you can remove the PV you've used for the moving around (e.g. external USB driver)
[10:36] <jargon> ActionParsnip: there are two partitions only, swap and root
[10:36] <yacc> jargon: but there are two issues,  PV takes some space too, so you'll need to shrink the filesystem a tiny bit, if you want to just use the original partition.
[10:36] <jargon> yacc: is there i guide on this anywhere? i've never done this before
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: and the second issue is, if it's your root partition, you need to keep your system bootable.
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: is it your rootfs?
[10:37] <jargon> yeah
[10:37] <yacc> jargon: honest answer => reinstall with LVM.
[10:37] <jargon>  /dev/sda1 is swap and /dev/sda2 is /
[10:38] <jargon> yeah that's what i was afraid it would be
[10:38] <jargon> ok,thanks
[10:38] <yacc> jargon: keeping the system bootable is the issue here.
[10:38] <jargon> yeah
[10:38] <C4RR3> Hey people, I'm installing a GameCube emulator through terminal, and the "make" command requires superuser privileges. How do I run this command as superuser? Thanks in advance!
[10:39] <nitstorm> C4RR3: sudo make
[10:39] <yacc> jargon: so basically, to do that you would probably need to try out the operation in virtual machine first to get a feeling how to handle all issues => it's faster to backup and reinstall.
[10:39] <jargon> yacc: i'm going to do the backup now and then reinstall. thanks
[10:39] <C4RR3> Nitstorm thanks I'll try that
[10:39] <Touhou11> C4RR3: Please don't discuss piracy
[10:40] <yacc> jargon: not so fast, let's move over to #lvm, let's discuss what exactly you are trying to achive?
[10:40] <C4RR3> Touhou11, not piracy, open source emulator. Not necessarily involve copyright violation.
[10:41] <jargon> yacc: ok
[10:41] <Xentinel> can someone help me out here, I need a driver in the form of a deb package, I've got the source right here: https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/canon-trunk/+packages it hasn't been packaged into a deb file. The one I'm looking for is called "scangearmp-common - 2.10-34~ubuntu13.10.1"
[10:41] <yacc> Touhou11: an emulator as such is not piracy, especially as the GameCube/Wii community has quite a bit of homebrewn stuff going.
[10:42] <Touhou11> yacc: No shit, but in reality 99% of people download games for which they don't own a copy
[10:42] <C4RR3> Touhou11, says who?
[10:42] <Touhou11> C4RR3: I just did?
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: why not use the Canon site itself....
[10:42] <C4RR3> lol Exactly, you're gonna need a better source
[10:43] <Touhou11> C4RR3: Please photograph the legal copies of the games you will be emulating.
[10:45] <C4RR3> What's my next recourse? Is there another command such as sudo for superuser?
[10:46] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, well I can't seem to find it through them
[10:46] <cfhowlett> !sudo|C4RR3,
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: try the Canon Europe website
[10:47] <C4RR3> cfhowlett,  thanks!
[10:47] <DJones> C4RR3: Is it a specific emulator you're trying to install, just wondered whether there was one avilable in the standard repositories
[10:47] <nitstorm> Is there someway to take a look at the logs in a `more` format on irssi?
[10:47] <C4RR3> DJones I'm installing dolphin out of this instructions: http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/wiki/Linux_Build
[10:47] <C4RR3> currently at the make && make install line
[10:48] <C4RR3> any input very welcome
[10:49] <C4RR3> DJones, what do you think?
[10:50] <DJones> C4RR3: Just looking, there's actually a PPA for that
[10:50] <DJones> C4RR3: https://launchpad.net/~glennric/+archive/dolphin-emu
[10:51] <DJones> C4RR3: While its not in the official repo's, installing from a ppa should be a lot simpler
[10:51] <C4RR3> DJones, awesome thanks! Is there anyway I can undo the other steps from the first tutorial? lol
[10:52] <nitstorm> C4RR3: You just need to delete the directory that you cloned.. rm -r dolphin-emu
[10:53] <C4RR3> awesome thanks!!
[10:53] <nitstorm> since other packages you installed were just dependencies..
[10:53] <C4RR3> (sorry got a noaz bleed hard to type)
[10:53] <nitstorm> C4RR3: oh ouch!
[10:54] <C4RR3> lol its fine, just messy lol
[10:54] <nitstorm> :P
[10:57] <Daiwidd> Everyone running 12.04 say Yay! Everyone on 13.10 Yeesh!
[10:58] <Daiwidd> Yay baby
[11:00] <zanzacar> if I have a proccess ID and i know the command how can I tell what program is actually running it?
[11:01] <zanzacar> For example [ 1006 root       20   0  196M 45816  9484 R 46.2  4.8  4h31:05 /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch ]
[11:01] <zanzacar> I have a feeling its team viewer but I don't really know.
[11:02] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, okay, I found both a printer and scanner driver on canon europe, but they're also both source files, can I turn them into .deb files?
[11:02] <zanzacar> o btw that output from htop! [ pid / user / pri / ni / virt / res / shr / s/ cpu% / mem% / time+ / command ]
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: what is the model of the device please?
[11:08] <nitstorm> zanzacar: ps -f pid
[11:10] <nitstorm> or you could also use pstree -p pid
[11:13] <zanzacar> nitstorm: thanks looks like it Xorg ( its running lubuntu and I am using team viewer to connect ). Is there any way to log CPU usage for that process in the background to a log file or something? this way i can log it for the next 24 hours and check it tomorrow.
[11:19] <ksmth> how can it be that I can ssh into the machine, but the machine can't ping google, i.e.
[11:19] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, sorry for the long response time, it's a Canon Pixma 640
[11:19] <ksmth> ok, the DNS doesn't seem to work ...
[11:20] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, here is the link to the scanner software, pretty sure it's what I need: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/Fax__Multifunctionals/InkJet/PIXMA_MP_series/PIXMA_MP640.aspx?DLtcmuri=tcm:13-728033&page=1&type=download
[11:21] <k1l> learner: what kind of computer and display is it? what video card?
[11:22] <SamuraiDio> how can I make a smb mount point to be shown on file manager (pcmanfm), to allow users to mount/umount by one click?
[11:22] <learner> desktop having 2 GHz dual core processor, 4gb RAM, and nvidia display adapter
[11:23] <learner> k1l: desktop having 2 GHz dual core processor, 4gb RAM, and nvidia display adapter
[11:23] <k1l> display adapter?
[11:23] <learner> k1l: yes
[11:23] <ksmth> hmm, how do I set which nameservers to use?
[11:24] <k1l> learner: like in: "which one?"
[11:24] <ksmth> the official docs state that changes to /etc/resolv.conf will be re-written on reboot, which is not what I WANT
[11:24] <ksmth> sorry for caps lock
[11:24] <nitstorm> zanzacar: https://superuser.com/questions/149961/writing-a-cpu-ram-usage-log-over-a-period-of-time-to-file-on-centos , https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18922040/small-sh-script-to-log-processes-ram-and-cpu-usage
[11:25] <nitstorm> zanzacar: you could also do something like top | grep -i pname > log.txt
[11:25] <nitstorm> For example, this logs my chromium browser resource usage ->
[11:26] <nitstorm> ps aux | grep -i chrom > ~/Desktop/log.txt
[11:26] <learner> k1l: sorry plz clarify your question - like in : "which one?"
[11:27] <k1l> learner: which video card/adapter is it?
[11:27] <doughi> any info about rooting device leo (lg fireweb)
[11:27] <learner> nvidia, thats all I know
[11:27] <Bear10> Does anyone know how to install 5.4.23-1+sury.org~precise+1 with xdebug? the xdebug version i have installed was for php 5.3 and i can't get it to work
[11:27] <gimnazjum> QTAZ
[11:27] <k1l> learner: "lspci" will tell
[11:28] <learner> NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[11:28] <k1l> doughi: your issue is not ubuntu support, is it?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: looks like you'll be compiling it (if that's what it needs). You could contact the PPA maintainer of the PPA you found
[11:28] <gimnazjum> Hi
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> Xentinel: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/192
[11:29] <learner> k1l: any other info should I fetch from results of lspci
[11:29] <gimnazjum> yjfdj
[11:29] <k1l> learner: what did you do before that error happens?
[11:30] <learner> I kind of purged a few software using - apt-get purge
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: you can add it to the bottom of /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: its a hack but it works
[11:31] <ksmth> ActionParsnip I have just modified the /etc/network/interfaces
[11:31] <ksmth> ActionParsnip seems to be working fine
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: that works too
[11:31] <ksmth> is it less hacky? haha
[11:31] <learner> k1l: sudo apt-get purge sound-theme-freedesktop ubuntu-sounds
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: the head file adds the resov.confwarning text, so if you add to the file it will add the nameservers you name :)
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> ksmth: yes lots less hacky
[11:32] <Xentinel> ActionParsnip, thanks so much
[11:32] <k1l> learner: ok. can you pastebin the apt-log please? "pastebinit /var/log/apt/history.log"
[11:33] <ksmth> does apt-get update + upgrade also update ubuntu?
[11:33] <k1l> ksmth: it does not bring you from 13.04 to 13.10
[11:34] <ksmth> k1l: that's good, because I wouldn't want that ;)
[11:34] <supauli> ksmth: it works in the say way as debian apt-get does
[11:34] <k1l> !apt | ksmth
[11:35] <learner> k1l: http://pastebin.com/dFknBHZh
[11:35] <learner> k1l: this happened y'day
[11:37] <ksmth> k1l: thanks, that seems to be a very nice resource for everything related to apt
[11:37] <learner> k1l: are you able to access the log ??
[11:37] <k1l> learner: yes, can you make sure "lightdm" is installed? "apt-get install lightdm"
[11:38] <ksmth> supauli: being unfamiliar with both, this information does not help me very much. ;)
[11:38] <learner> k1l: its says - lightdm is already the newest version.
[11:38] <learner> when I used the command
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> learner: sudo apt-get --reinstall install lightdm
[11:39] <learner> ActionParsnip: done , shd I restart that PC ?
[11:39] <learner> or startx
[11:40] <k1l> learner: dont use startx
[11:40] <k1l> start lightdm
[11:40] <learner> k1l: ok
[11:40] <k1l> "sudo lightdm start"
[11:40] <learner> wow...
[11:40] <learner> k1l: thanks
[11:40] <learner> ActionParsnip: thanks
[11:41] <WinstonSmith> hi trying to set a gsettings schema, in dconf the schema exists, but gsettings complains "no such schema". now how do i set an option in that schema on the cli?
[11:42] <learner> k1l: that was simply great... just trying after restarting once... thanks a lot
[11:42] <learner> k1l: restarting PC I mean
[11:43] <linu1> hi i bought a new serial bluetooth adapter,i want to work on it through command,i used normal pairing for file transfer between 2 ubuntu pc,but i dont have idea abt serial bluetooth adapter,can you help me
[11:43] <learner> k1l: after PC restart, same problem
[11:43] <learner> k1l: how can I make lightdm start
[11:44] <k1l> learner: sudo lightdm start
[11:44] <learner> k1l: do I have to everytime do lighdm start
[11:44] <k1l> learner: this is a server install?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> learner: it should add itself to the startup
[11:44] <learner> k1l: this is desktop 12.04
[11:45] <learner> k1l: should I add this to autostart apps
[11:45] <learner> k1l: or can you give me command to add this
[11:45] <paul424> http://sourceforge.net/projects/opendungeons/files/Current%20Release/ hello who could test my binaries ?
[11:49] <learner> k1l: should I try - sudo update-rc.d lightdm defaults
[11:49] <hitsujiTMO> learner: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[11:50] <hitsujiTMO> learner: makes sure you select it as the default display manager
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> learner: does it not show up on its own anyway after a reboot?
[11:51] <learner> ActionParsnip: show up what ?
[11:53] <ActionParsnip> learner: does the GUI login page not show now, when you reboot?
[11:53] <learner> ActionParsnip: No
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> learner: you can add the command you ran to start lightdm in /etc/rc.local  above the 'exit 0' line
[11:55] <learner> the ubuntu logo is shown continuously and when I press escape I see error showing "Error opening display!"
[11:55] <learner> then I press ALT + F1 to login thru terminal
[11:55] <learner> and start lightdm
[11:55] <learner> !!!
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> learner: is this a fresh install?
[11:56] <learner> no quite old
[11:56] <learner> using it since one year or so
[11:56] <k1l> learner: pastebinit /var/log/syslog
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> learner: could try:  sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <Ssshh> ah i remember the days of hacking X to get it working :D
[11:57] <Ssshh> ActionParsnip: wouldnt an X reconfigure work better than a reinstall?
[11:58] <Ssshh> or at the very least dropping a .conf file into /usr/X11/?
[11:59] <Ssshh> learner: while on the screen with the ubuntu logo, try CTRL-META-BACKSPACE see if it fixes it
[12:00] <Ssshh> if not can login through a TTY, try going to init 3 then back to 4, and if that fails you can always cat the error message in the X logfile
[12:00] <k1l> Ssshh: not that much "hacking" needed. we actually can look into syslog and see if there is some error
[12:01] <Ssshh> k1l: was back in early 2000's
[12:01] <Ssshh> XFree86 :D
[12:01] <k1l> Ssshh: yes, we have evolved since back then :)
[12:02] <Ssshh> X tech has, but then i still miss my old Debian with X86
[12:02] <learner> k1l: http://pastebin.com/7rnfw5Aq
[12:02] <tokam> Hi my Samsung Galaxy S3 is not listed as an mtp device on my ubuntu computer. Why not? I do not even find it with lsusb or mtp
[12:03] <tokam> mtpfs
[12:03] <Ssshh> tokam: try opening a shell and sudo dmesg | tail see if its listed
[12:06] <ralph_> good morning. I'm having difficulty trying to install kubuntu 13.10 and overwriting an existing ubuntu 13.10. the installer doesn't see any hdd which i believe is due to the existing install being a full disk encypted install(passphrase to boot os)
[12:06] <Ssshh> ralph_: you can use sudo fdisk /dev/yourdisk and rewrite the drive from there, just throw down a basic linux part :)
[12:07] <tokam> Ssshh: not it is not listed.
[12:07] <alexande1> is it possible to give a spesific userid permissions to a spesific folder without chown or changing him into the group that has permissions
[12:07] <tokam> http://pastebin.com/Apb1LNDz
[12:07] <azamat> hi. On my ubuntu 13.10, sometimes volume goes to maximum. Why is that?
[12:08] <ralph_> ive tried installing kde plasma desktop already but something broke it. id like to reinstall but even after formatting disk and repartitioning in kubuntu live disk session installer still doesnt recognize the hdd. the partition program in live session still shows a lock on the hdd and im never prompted for my passphrase?
[12:09] <learner> ActionParsnip: Thanks, adding command to /etc/rc.local helped
[12:09] <Ssshh> tokam: doesnt look possible according to the Ubuntu forums, sorry mate
[12:10] <tokam> :(
[12:10] <learner> k1l: Thanks again
[12:10] <tokam> maybe there is an alternative? maybe an nautilus plugin?
[12:10] <Ssshh> tokam: might be not sure, i dont use a lot of andoid devices mate
[12:11] <Ssshh> ralph_: might just need a reboot so the kernels aware of the partition changes if any have been made
[12:13] <ralph_> @ssshh i will try thx
[12:16] <azamat> anyone?
[12:17] <Ssshh> azamat: not sure mate
[12:17] <azamat> ok)
[12:24] <alexande1> I want to see relevant info regarding users in terminal
[12:24] <alexande1> how can i display such info?
[12:26] <geirha> what do you consider relevant?
[12:26] <alexande1> username-userid-gid-secondary groups
[12:26] <alexande1> perhaps even homefolder
[12:27] <alexande1> i know that groups is displayed with the groups command
[12:28] <geirha> getent passwd   shows most of it
[12:28] <alexande1> Thanks geirha!! :D
[12:33] <alexande1> geirha: I used the /etc/passwd file already as an indication, but it only shows primary group. so now i use the passwd file and the groups command to get most of the info. But is there a command that is even more informative?
[12:36] <geirha> alexande1: Shouldn't be too hard to read in those two databases with awk and output the info in the format you want.
[12:40] <sopparus> how can I check which crypto are installed in kernel?
[12:50] <geirha> alexande1: awk 'BEGIN{OFS=FS=":"} FNR==NR{group[$3]=$1; n=split($4,a,/,/); for (i=1;i<=n;++i) member[a[i]]=member[a[i]]","$1;next} $3>=1000{print $3, $1, group[$4] member[$1]}' /etc/group /etc/passwd
[12:51] <geirha> alexande1: gives you  uid:username:groups
[12:51] <MasterOfDisaster> alexande1: what about 'id'?
[12:52] <MasterOfDisaster> alexande1: id <username> e.g. id fuero -> uid=1000(fuero) gid=1000(fuero) groups=1000(fuero),20(dialout),27(sudo),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),120(vde2-net),124(pulse-access),1001(netdump),122(vboxusers),129(libvirtd)
[12:55] <weedmic> using mail (or mailx) from a terminal as root, how does one delete all e-mails for root read or unread?
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: look in /var/spool/mail or /var/mail   each mailbox has a text file, just blank it off
[12:56] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: rm /var/spool/mail/root might be the fastest way ;-)
[12:56] <weedmic> if I delete the file, will a new one be created when the next e-mail is received?
[12:57] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: yes
[12:57] <weedmic> perfect - Q
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: or use:  cat /dev/null > /var/spool/mail/root
[12:58] <weedmic> too late :o
[12:58] <geirha> don't even need cat /dev/null
[12:59] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip, weedmic: truncate -s0 /var/spool/mail/root
[12:59] <weedmic> tomorrow, i'll take all the mail and put it in a file and print it out and see what notices I've been getting that aren't 356k lines worth :D
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: that too
[12:59] <geirha> just   >/var/spool/mail/root   without any command, will truncate the file
[13:01] <weedmic> has anyone here successfully got eticket (from eticketsupport) to fetch pop3 mail?  I'm trying to hire eticket to get that working, but they don't seem to read my messages.  the ticket sysem works fine except for fetching e-mail via pop3.  it's not ubuntu so it's ok if no one knows either.
[13:05] <TJ-> weedmic: have you used tcpdump/whiresark  to analyse any connections it makes?
[13:06] <weedmic> no - i shall look into that momentarily
[13:06] <weedmic> could it be wireshark?
[13:07] <vanea> Let say I have this directory structure http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NwYYj25S Can anyone help me to make a script that goes to the directory R, then enters R1 do the stuff, exits R1, enters R2, do the stuff, and so on till R9, exits R9, exits R, enters C, enters C1, do the stuff, exits C1, and so on till all the directories from the first level (e.g. R, C, H) are processed by it?
[13:07] <vanea> I do not know the precise list of the directories or subdirectories
[13:07] <weedmic> I might suggest #bash - they helped me with some scripting (if it was bash)
[13:08] <TJ-> weedmic: "sudo tcpdump -nvi $IF tcp port 110"
[13:10] <huttan> vanea: man find
[13:10] <AnonymoRefuge> what?
[13:13] <weedmic> i connect from my linux to other linux servers using krdc.  it works, but it is very choppy moving the cursor.  anyone know how to make it smoother?  I'm comparing this to when I use rdesktop to connect to windoze servers which works smoothly.  rdesktop has never worked for me from linux to linux.
[13:14] <james_woods> Hi, I've compiled strongswan on my own on Ubuntu 13.04 and I want to have it started at system startup. AFAIK Ubuntu made a switch from /etc/init.d towards service - can someone point me towards a howto where I can learn howto add the strongswan startup script?
[13:14] <huttan> weedmic: teamviewer is great for convenience. www.teamviewer.com
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do on the remote system?
[13:15] <weedmic> Q, but vnc is already working, I just want a better experience
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: vnc is not secure. I hope you are not using it over WWW
[13:16] <philinux> james_woods;~ dash>startup apps. You can add it there.
[13:16] <weedmic> I'm the root user and manage them.  they are not all in my building - my networks is a bit large.
[13:16] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: I'd strongly suggest using xfreerdp (newer versions of krdc do) and try adjusting its performance settings
[13:16] <weedmic> it is an intranet
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: so you help users fix desktop issues on the remote systems?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: VNC is not secure in any way. I suggest an SSH tunnel for security
[13:17] <weedmic> no, i don't like users.  it's only servers
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do on the servers that needs a GUI?
[13:17] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: liking them is optional :D
[13:17] <AnonymoRefuge> lol
[13:17]  * cfhowlett thinks this explains SO much ...
[13:18] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: you might be hard pressed using a windows server without a gui.
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: what do you do when you are on the remote server desktop?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: have you not used Windows server core then?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: no GUI at all, you manage it using powershell from your desktop PC
[13:18] <weedmic> for example, the helpticket lamp machine.  it is a complete unit to itself.  I did not open the apache to others, so I would need to open firefox to manage it (until I get it to fetch pop3 mail - then I can mange it without ever goign there at all via e-mail).
[13:19] <weedmic> the backup machine is all text, but sometimes i get 5 of each letter - which is a bother
[13:19] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: If I could, I would. If you have to install 3rd party cra... ah software that requires a GUI for installation and operation, you're screwed.
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: you can open the SSH port, connct to the server then run Firefox via SSH, nice and secure
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: its managed dude, good times
[13:20] <MasterOfDisaster> ActionParsnip: plus, we're domainless heathens here.
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: plus, making MSI packages of software is wise
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> MasterOfDisaster: makes effort for yourselves without a domain
[13:20] <weedmic> I can consider that, perhaps it is the wrong approach, but do you have any idea why rdesktop does not connect to linux machines - while krdc/vnc does?
[13:21] <weedmic> in my mind, I always think of ssh as text only - so it is a bit of a new concept for me
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: no idea. I think remote desktop is pretty much dead these days, there are lots more graceful ways to achieve what people use vnc etc for.
[13:21] <MasterOfDisaster> weedmic: well, is your linux box running an rdp server? Isn't rdesktop rdp client only?
[13:21] <weedmic> checking
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: if the client has an X server (install and run Xming in Windows) you can X forward apps to it and they will be running on the server side but displaying on the client
[13:22] <weedmic> i'm only talking linux - connectin to nt machines is working perfectly
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> weedmic: then linux to linux will run as your client will have an X server
[13:23] <xerror1> hi all, its me :-) may i ask somethign ?
[13:23] <weedmic> u just did :D
[13:23] <xerror1> :-D right
[13:24] <cfhowlett> !ask|xerror1,
[13:25] <pavs> Is it possible to install the latest stable kernel 3.13 on Ubuntu 13.10?
[13:25] <k1l> !mainline | pavs
[13:25] <xerror1> ty, ok, my question: is the dailybuild of 12.04.4 to consider as unstable as a dailybuild before a fullrelease is ? could i really damage hardware installing the dailybuild of 12.04.4 and if i intsall it, where could i exchange expieriences baout it and maybe contribut a little to it ?
[13:26] <weedmic> I found nothing with "rdp" on the server at all - hmmm
[13:26] <weedmic> i think i'll try the ssh thing first though
[13:26] <pavs> thanks
[13:26] <cfhowlett> xerror1, daily builds are not considered stable.  use the point releases
[13:27] <cfhowlett> xerror1, or go ahead and use daily and contribute bug/break and fix reports
[13:27] <weedmic> give me a sample terminal line to start firefox on a remote linux machine to which I am connected via ssh, then I can see if that works for me.
[13:29] <xerror1> cfhowlett: ty ! so the only meetingpoint would be the bugtracker ? and am i right that the alpha2 comes on th24th this month ?
[13:29] <weedmic> i'm not sure vnc is insecure, i setup kfrb to allow the connection only from 1 machine - did that not do anything?  or are you talking sniffer level snooping b/c it is not encrypted packeten.
[13:34] <Bawz> pow
[13:35] <zetheroo> using Ubuntu 12.04.3 here ... I have a 16GB USB stick ... I copied about 1GB of data to it and then Safely Removed it ... then up pops something saying that data is being written to the USB disk and to wait until it's finished ... this dialog stays there for quite a while before finally disappearing ... this does not seem right.
[13:39] <cfhowlett> xerror1  alpah2?  um, you MUST be talking about 14.04 and not 12.04.4, right?
[13:43] <MyNickIsNick> hi, i need help if anyone has an idea... i'm trying to do some traffic shaping using wondershaper, but every time i try i get this output : RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported We have an error talking to the kernel
[13:44] <MyNickIsNick> some people say that i may need to load some modules toi enable QOS at kernel level
[13:45] <MyNickIsNick> most doubt that i should compile a new kernel with QOS enabled, because the default kernel probably has it already (12.04)
[13:45] <james_woods> philinux: but I am speaking of a server, e.g. I want to solve this via terminal and without a login event?
[13:46] <james_woods> philinux: I think crontab is the wrong thing to use and I thought service might be the right (?)
[13:46] <AnonymoRefuge> MyNameIsNick: Im not sure, i havent ever had that problem, but you could look it up on bing or google if that would help
[13:46] <james_woods> I will use /etc/rc.local
[13:46] <MyNickIsNick> AnonymoRefuge: well i did, and there's a lot of material on these keywords, most talk about compiling a new kernel with good options selected
[13:47] <trisquel> hi
[13:47] <younes> Hello,
[13:47] <AnonymoRefuge> Ahhhh okay, im not sure then, sorry
[13:47] <trisquel> my laptop brightness is max every time i bootin
[13:47] <MyNickIsNick> and there is my other issue, i compiled my new kernel, placed it in /boot tryed update-grub command, but the system does not see my frehly compiled kernel
[13:47] <trisquel> i tried echo 3 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[13:48] <philinux> james_woods;~ some info here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1767979
[13:48] <MrAlexandro> accidental change of root's shell using chsh here. trying to use the shell file to change it back but now i get pam authentication faled
[13:48] <trisquel> but doenst work
[13:48] <tomboy64> nobody here knows how to switch window-/mouse behaviour to "focus on hover"?
[13:48] <MyNickIsNick> last time i tryed to build my own kernel, grub was a few versions back, and we used menu.lst
[13:48] <tomboy64> it's no problem to change on kde, why is this an issue on gnome?
[13:48] <trisquel> any solution?
[13:50] <trisquel> younes: i have a hp printer 3515 that works in ubuntu 13.10 but not in 12.04?
[13:52] <younes> hmmm
[13:52] <younes> weird
[13:52] <younes> hmmm
[13:52] <trisquel> younes: i think its driver issue?
[13:52] <younes> Maybe try to google for drivers for linux i'll help you with searching
[13:53] <WinstonSmith> hi i'm on 13.10, custom keyboard shorcuts don' seem to work, tried different shortcuts none work. any ideas?
[13:53] <trisquel> younes: i have tried installing drivers from hp site but it breaks the setup so i wont.
[13:53] <younes> hmm look at this: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/index.html
[13:54] <younes> try it with that
[13:54] <younes> if it doesn't work call me then ;0
[13:54] <younes> ;) *
[13:54] <younes> And btw why did you downgrade?
[13:55] <WinstonSmith> shortcut shows up fine in org.gnome.desktop.settings.daemon.plugins.media-keys.custom0
[13:55] <younes> winstonSmith?
[13:55] <WinstonSmith> younes: yes?
[13:55] <younes> Does your keyboard come with special drivers?
[13:56] <younes> If so you need to install them
[13:56] <trisquel> younes: with 13.10 my hardisk and cpu of the laptop make a lot of noise and run continuously thus heating issue
[13:56] <John__> Hey, to anyone with experience - I'm attempting to run Ubuntu from a toshiba external harddrive - the OS will be run on multiple machines, is it my best bet to go with the 32 bit installation?
[13:56] <WinstonSmith> younes: no normal PS/2 keyb, other system shortcuts work fine
[13:56] <younes> Trisquel Hmmm okay weird but ok
[13:56] <younes> Jhon____ YEs
[13:56] <matenano> ciao
[13:56] <matenano> !list
[13:56] <younes> BEcause you can't know the ram specs on every pc
[13:56] <John__> ^ exactly
[13:56] <John__> okay
[13:57] <John__> thanks
[13:57] <younes> No Problem
[13:57] <John__> will my HDD be wiped completely during installation?
[13:57] <John__> I have files on it.
[13:57] <younes> Jhon__ It depends
[13:57] <trisquel> younes: i had similar issues with almost every ubuntu release except the lts one.
[13:57] <younes> I would recommend to partition your hard drive
[13:57] <John__> Thats what i thought
[13:57] <younes> trisquel Hmmm did your laptop run windows first?
[13:57] <trisquel> younes: no
[13:58] <trisquel> younes: why?
[13:58] <younes> Hmmm because your laptop can need some special drivers or it won't work like mine
[13:58] <trisquel> younes: but why does it work with 12.04?
[13:59] <raiderturbo> John__, Is there a particular reason why you want to install to a external HDD?
[13:59] <younes> I have no idea but i could be that the kernel is different and works for you but i have no idea
[13:59] <younes> Radiderturbo: because he wants to use it with multiple pc's
[13:59] <John__> I'm a high school student and my school has a networked system of PCs running Windows 7.
[14:00] <John__> I think it would be great to literally carry around my hard drive.
[14:00] <younes> Ahhh don't like windows ;P
[14:00] <John__> That's why I want to boot up to Linux on every computer I have access to.
[14:01] <WinstonSmith> so any ideas?
[14:01] <younes> Nice idea Jhon__ But my school haves a other linux distro installed so i don't have to use a hard drive :p (dual-boot)
[14:01] <younes> about what ?
[14:01] <raiderturbo> John__, And you're school is going to let you do that?!?!
[14:01] <John__> That would be nice if I didn't attend an inner-city low budget school.
[14:01] <John__> Pssh, of course not.
[14:01] <raiderturbo> *your
[14:02] <raiderturbo> lol
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> John__: if yu have a linux system at home you can port forward port 22 and run an SFTP server, no need to carry anything then :)
[14:02] <John__> I considered that actually.
[14:02] <John__> I'm afraid of my IT director becoming the wiser and disabling that feature, leaving me in the cold.
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> John__: as long as port 22 is allowed then you win
[14:03] <WinstonSmith> hint: run on port 80 ;)
[14:03] <younes> John__ btw if there is a computer you can always live boot if it supports usb booting
[14:03] <John__> Anyway to check?  {Windows 7 Enterprise}
[14:03] <younes> ahah smart ;)
[14:03] <John__> Live boot?
[14:03] <younes> To check what jhon__?
[14:03] <younes> Ahhh
[14:03] <John__> If port forwarding is disabled.
[14:03] <John__> or allowed in this case.
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> John__: you can try SSHing to known SSH servers etc, you wont be able to connect to your own kit as its not setup yet
[14:04] <younes> Well every computer should have a bois chip go into the bios and select usb as first boot option
[14:04] <younes> if you don't see it it probably wont work
[14:04] <John__> Wouldn't the OS be more efficient if I could just install it to the HDD
[14:04] <John__> faster i mean
[14:05] <John__> i have a TB external
[14:05] <John__> its not a problem to do so
[14:05] <ActionParsnip> John__: why, how does that fix anything?
[14:05] <younes> John__: Again it depends on what you want
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> John__: smart admins put passwords on BIOSes etc, so may scupper your plans to boot USB
[14:06] <John__> does wubi require administrator
[14:06] <younes> Jhon__ If you have a slow connection then yes but sftp or ssh doesn't need that
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> John__: yes it is a system change to Windows
[14:06] <younes> much internet speed
[14:06] <John__> i do not believe i have administrator access
[14:06] <younes> BrB
[14:06] <John__> no i dont
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> John__: plus wubi is garbage, and no longer developed
[14:07] <younes> Jhon__ You don't need it
[14:08] <John__> http://www.speedtest.net/result/3247917639.png
[14:08] <John__> my internet is plenty fine
[14:08] <dopsi> John__ : you can also try file sharing over http (https://singpolyma.net/2009/11/simple-http-based-file-shares-for-ubuntu/)
[14:08] <younes> Nice