[06:00] <RikMills> riscv64 builders are all disabled again
[06:57] <ilasc> they should all be back online soon
[07:15] <RikMills> ilasc: great. thank you!
[16:38] <diddledani> random question that isn't important to get an answer to - I was just curious... the riscv64 builders... I was wondering if they were real riscv64 processors or via emulation. That then makes me wonder if any of the builders are emulated rather than real cpu's of their designated architecture... 🤔
[16:39] <diddledani> of the other*
[16:40] <diddledani> I'm assuming that ARM systems are easy enough to come by these days that it's certain that they're all physical ARM CPUs
[17:07] <jugmac00> diddledani: afaik all riscv64 builders are emulated
[17:08] <diddledani> 💜


[06:17] <diddledan> hands up everyone who's been awake all night fixing bash's shellshock!
[06:18] <diddledan> ok ok, I've been fixing everything else, too
[06:18] <diddledan> precipitated by bash, tho
[06:21] <knightwise> good morning peeps
[06:21] <diddledan> lo
[06:23] <knightwise> hey diddledan
[06:23] <knightwise> how are you dude ?
[06:24] <diddledan> tired
[06:25] <diddledan> you just missed my pronouncement of having been awake all night working on fixing bash's shellshock vuln
[06:42] <knightwise> back
[06:42] <knightwise> just patched my nix machines for the shell bug
[06:42] <knightwise> too bad my mac don't have no patch
[07:07] <knightwise> hmmm
[07:53] <popey> morning all
[07:53] <jpds> popey: Morning.
[08:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy World Dream Day! :-D
[08:02] <knightwise> hey popey JamesTait jpds
[08:02] <knightwise> popey: cat still sleeping on your neck like a scarf ?
[08:12] <davmor2> man the world dreams.....I wonder if it dreams of being a whale.....or a range of intergalatic tortoises with a world on top
[08:13] <foobarry> davmor2 is stoned
[08:14] <davmor2> foobarry: no JamesTait said it was World Dream day
[08:15] <foobarry> i dream about travelling to work and i'm not wearing shoes
[08:16] <davmor2> and you think I'm stoned :P
[08:16] <foobarry> or i'm forever trying to pack for holiday and i can never finish
[08:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, Great A'Tuin is the world turtle, not a tortoise. ;)
[08:18] <popey> knightwise: no thankfully!
[08:20] <davmor2> JamesTait: I couldn't remember which it was I was close though
[08:20] <JamesTait> davmor2, we knew what you meant!
[08:21]  * JamesTait is making his way through the Discworld series again, at eldest son's bedtime.
[08:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: man I hate to think what his dreams are likely to be ;)
[08:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, trains, probably. Lots and lots of trains. And Minecraft.
[08:23] <smittix> Morning all
[08:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: everything a growing kid needs :)
[08:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: you gonna take him to the NRM in york then?
[08:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, undoubtedly, at some point.
[08:27] <JamesTait> davmor2, we've done Etches Park depot, Great Central Railway, Midland Railway Centre, various train stations and level crossings.
[08:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: I can also recommend a trip to bridgenorth and jump on the Severn Valley Railway
[08:30] <JamesTait> davmor2, he's asked me to take photos of the train I go to London on, and if I go on a subway in the US he wants photos.
[08:33] <foobarry> i had a dream the other night that the 8.11 train was a steam train. but my 8.26 was a regualr commuter overground train. and i just missed the 8.11. it seemed to plant itself as a memory rather than a dream. i've only just recalled that it was a dream
[08:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: you also get the hill train
[08:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: yes get your priorities man ;)
[09:08] <foobarry> http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Submit-Great-giffgaff-Ideas/60-day-voicemail-frustration/idi-p/8605876 needs more votes
[09:08] <foobarry> any giffgaff users please vote :D
[09:09]  * dutchie leaving giffgaff
[09:09] <dutchie> due to shoddy signal where i live
[09:12] <directhex> waiting for xperia z3 to ship, then will move to three
[09:12] <directhex> not neccessarily to an xperia, but i want the option
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:15] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[09:15] <dutchie> yeah, i have a three sim in the post
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:16] <dutchie> & hi brobostigon
[09:16]  * brobostigon has been with three for a few years now, because of the no FUP unlimited data.
[09:16] <foobarry> no FAP?
[09:16] <brobostigon> fup = fair usage policy
[09:16] <foobarry> sorry for reddit joke
[09:17] <brobostigon> i see
[09:19] <directhex> brobostigon: there *is* a FUP!
[09:19] <directhex> brobostigon: 1T per month.
[09:20] <brobostigon> directhex: ok, last time i looked there wasnt, ok thank you. thats still a huge amount of data.
[09:20] <directhex> brobostigon: i don't push that on fibre, in a month, with all the steam games
[09:21] <brobostigon> directhex: i can imagine, it would be difficult to get anywhere near to.
[09:22] <davmor2> Tunes stuck in my head today are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlhLaNClgw and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE
[09:23]  * brobostigon had enter sandman in his head yesterday
[09:26] <directhex> i've had "starlight" by the supermen lovers in my head a lot lately
[09:27] <ujjain> is dish washer tablets always th  same size?
[09:27] <directhex> ujjain: approximately
[09:28] <directhex> ujjain: dishwashers with a tablet tray should accept any brand on the market, anyway
[09:28] <ujjain> ah ok, I will get the discounted finish powerball then, they should fit then
[09:28] <ujjain> yeah right, I never boughth dishwasher tablets before, but should be fine then
[09:29] <davmor2> we should make a playlist of the tunes we have in our heads they are obviously the best tunes EVA!!!!! part 1 :)  it's always part 1 don't ask me why :D
[09:30] <Myrtti> spotify collaborative playlist
[09:31] <Myrtti> I already have few of those earworm playlists from different groups
[09:31] <zmoylan-pi> played from a cassette changer for full 80s retro :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgTuzDQokdk
[09:40] <ujjain> fabric conditioner is the same as fabric softener or as washing detergent?
[09:42] <DJones> softener
[09:42] <ujjain> ah thanks
[09:45] <Myrtti> I use white vinegar from a Cash and Carry instead
[09:46] <Myrtti> doesn't leave a horrid scent on the clothes and helps with limescale a bit
[09:58] <ujjain> ah, right. :)
[10:31] <ujjain> what's the english ikea called, you can order online and they have massive books, then you collect in the store
[10:31] <ujjain> 5 letters I think, 2 silibals\
[10:31] <ujjain> sounds like astro
[10:31] <dwatkins_> Sweden upon Thames
[10:31] <ujjain> hmm, that's not it :P
[10:31] <dwatkins_> aka Ikea
[10:32] <ujjain> haha
[10:34] <DJones> ujjain: Argos ?
[10:34] <ujjain> ah yes
[10:34] <ujjain> thanks
[10:34] <DJones> Or Homebase, both owned by the same people, slightly different products though
[10:35] <davmor2> ujjain: you know we have ikea here too right ;) they have book books too
[10:35] <ujjain> Yeah I know, but I am looking for more glasses/cutlery so I can be more lazy before doing laundry
[10:36] <davmor2> ujjain: again ikea :P
[10:36] <ujjain> ah yeah, but it's far
[10:36] <ujjain> I'd need a car
[10:36] <davmor2> ujjain: hahaha
[10:36] <ujjain> or take a busride for 20/25 minutes
[10:36] <Myrtti> woe is you
[10:36] <DJones> I suspect most people order online at Ikea though, so they can just go to a collection point rather than having to get the Sat Nav out to find their way round the store
[10:37] <ujjain> ah hmm, let me see, IKEA is cheaper yeah
[10:44] <davmor2> DJones: I prefer the satnav idea when going to Ikea but that is most cause it means I'm owed the meal I have there :)
[10:45] <DJones> :)
[10:58] <foobarry> anyone used LTSP lately (linux terminal server project)
[11:04] <davmor2> foobarry: no
[11:26] <ujjain> 0800 numbers in the Netherlands are free, but are paid numbers in the UK, right? Do all 0800 numbers have the same cost?
[11:27] <ujjain> found it: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/phones/cut-cost-0800-mobiles
[11:27] <davmor2> ujjain: no 0800 numbers are free from landlines but cost a normal charge from mobiles
[11:27] <ujjain> ah ok! thanks, didn't know
[11:27] <foobarry> except on giffgaff i think it is no-cost
[11:27] <ujjain> three contract also fere, but I have three pay as you go
[11:35] <ujjain> I was rejected for a FlexPlus account based on my credit score. Will that even more negatively affect my credit score?
[11:43] <davmor2> ujjain: no, but it might make it harder to get credit card and accounts that have them.
[11:45] <ujjain> why do you even need credit score for a bank account, argh, I don't even want to be able to have a negative balance.
[11:49] <directhex> there's still credit, on a non-credit account
[11:49] <directhex> e.g. cheques are credit-based
[11:49] <directhex> since there's no verification of balance when you write a cheque
[11:52] <Myrtti> just get rid of cheques
[11:52] <Myrtti> problem solved
[11:53] <ujjain> i threw away my cheques
[11:53] <brobostigon> they are outdated anyway.
[11:57] <diplo> Our school for my kids prefers cheques for payment of stuff, I don't a cheque book but they don't like cash
[11:58] <ujjain> crappy.
[11:58] <Myrtti> haven't they heard of bank accounts?
[11:59] <Myrtti> I heard that in the big world you write bills with the account information to which you want the money to be paid to
[11:59] <Myrtti> I'm under the impression it's quite fast too
[12:00] <Myrtti> like, nearly immediate or at most one banking day.
[12:01] <Myrtti> heretic, I know!
[12:01] <diplo> Myrtti, I know, or even just a card machine..
[12:01] <diplo> Other schools around the area allow it :/
[12:02] <diplo> A new head recently, so hoping he improves things
[12:02] <Myrtti> notice how gracefully I'm ignoring the fact you're paying the school
[12:04] <christel> our school also prefers cheque for stuff
[12:05] <diplo> heh, it's for after school clubs etc and school dinners
[12:06] <Myrtti> after school clubs have to be organised by someone else than the school in Finland
[12:06] <Myrtti> and school dinners are free
[12:06] <Myrtti> whoever organises said clubs can ask for a fee
[12:09] <diplo> School dinners are free ( this year, wasn't that way last year ) up to year 2, so I only have to pay for one
[12:09] <diplo> But the one who gets it free prefers packed lunch :/
[12:14] <Myrtti> kids in Finland would get a letter to home if they'd come in with a packed lunch :-/
[12:14] <Myrtti> talking of lunches, I just learned about Hartley's jelly cups
[12:14] <Myrtti> well I have noticed them before but hadn't tried one before
[12:15] <Myrtti> surprisingly nice
[12:20] <diplo> Seen them, never tried them
[12:20] <knightwise> Ghahhh !  I got a colleague rattled by deleting files which he needed to stay
[13:07] <DJones> Is there an easy way to convert .pdf to an excel/openoffice calc file?
[13:08] <brobostigon> open the pdf in openoffice, then save/export it into a different format?
[13:10] <foobarry> copy paste
[13:10] <DJones> That doesn't work (at least using the Windows version, just opens the file in Draw)
[13:12] <DJones> Just trying an online converter
[13:13] <Myrtti> excuse me while I squee, but wedding shoes just arrived in mail
[13:14] <Myrtti> *squee*
[13:14] <Myrtti> there, done.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> I'm having an absolute 'mare here, laptop keyabord, coffee spill, touchpad was out for a day, then started working again, everything else seems fine except the return key. external or onscreen keyboard is the only way I can keep working.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> anybody have any tips on fixing a single key on a keyboard. mechanically seems fine.
[15:21] <NET||abuse> dont know what i could have done to have just 1 key no work.
[18:58] <BigRedS> what sort of keyboard is it? And when it doesn't work, do you mean it just doesn't appear to send any keypresses?
[19:00] <zmoylan-pi> the old crumbs in the keyboard problem?
[19:01] <daftykins> never heard a better candidate for percussive maintenance
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> there's a way to stop crumbs, pizza bits, fag ash et al gettinhg into your keyboard
[19:13] <directhex> don't use a keyboard, type via telepathy
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> ...stick keyboard to ceiling... after tyring todo anything on it after that...
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> all other probs seem simple!
[19:14] <daftykins> could just get the flat surface medical keyboards i saw recently at the hospital
[19:14] <daftykins> they looked pretty weird though, i doubt feedback is very good
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> or a good ol' fashioned flimsy heyboard cover?
[19:15] <zmoylan-pi> the don't eat over keyboard option a non goer?
[19:16] <daftykins> even without eating you'll still get lots of dead skin and so on in there
[19:16] <SuperEngineer> or try clingfilm... if you get it right you can still use the keyboard  but if you don't...... ;)
[19:18] <SuperEngineer> [on the other hand get a can of mankind's best friend - air duster!
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> dead skin - use latex gloves! dandruff - use a head cover! runny nose -use a dust mask!
[19:21] <SuperEngineer> ....& don't forgoet to post the picture of the result on the web :)
[19:26] <SuperEngineer> Q/ anyone else finding that Chromium randomly crashes recently? Is it just me?
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> a full hazmat suit to keep dust away from keyboard?
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: not a good idea - the usb ports can't poewer the air blowers
[19:28] <SuperEngineer> *power
[19:48] <ali1234> i've seen some random chrome crashes recently. and some random firefox ones too
[19:48] <ali1234> and by that i mean an above average amount
[20:07] <ali1234> is centos 5.9 still supported?


[01:27] <bazhang> ne ways?
[01:27] <bazhang> is the OED being re-written?
[01:30] <IdleOne> OED?
[01:30] <IdleOne> oh.
[01:30] <bazhang> Oxford English Dictionary
[01:31] <IdleOne> yeah, I figured it out soon as I asked
[01:31] <bazhang> ikr
[01:34] <IdleOne> I think we need to start getting a little more strict with the off topic in #ubuntu
[01:34] <IdleOne> people don't seem to care anymore
[01:35] <bazhang> agreed
[02:32] <bazhang> !netflix
[03:48] <elky> what's the moon phase?
[04:01] <persia> waxing quarter, so ~10 days until the usual madness season
[04:02] <elky> plus the "it's december" modifier
[04:03] <elky> I might find a large rock...
[04:03] <elky> also OHAI!
[04:05] <persia> Yaama
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> elky: Moon face is 54% illuminated. || Moon phase: Waxing gibbous || Next full moon is on Wednesday 28 November
[06:27] <bazhang> hello juniour
[06:28] <juniour> hi
[06:28] <juniour> bazhanghi
[06:28] <juniour> bazhang hi
[06:28] <bazhang> what did you need help with juniour
[06:29] <juniour> some one change my mode in #python
[06:30] <bazhang> juniour, as the staff in #freenode just told you, contact their ops. it has nothing to do with us
[06:30] <juniour> but no one replying there man
[06:30] <bazhang> juniour, so be patient
[06:31] <juniour> python-ops i hve to join i joined i told my problem but no reply
[06:31] <bazhang> juniour, so? that has nothing to do with #ubuntu or other ubuntu channels
[06:32] <juniour> ya iknow
[14:31] <bazhang> wow rude quit message from huehue
[23:17] <ikonia> hello
[23:18] <ikonia> dedis5: hi there
[23:36] <ikonia> hello wupeng
[23:36] <ikonia> wupeng: can we help you ?


[10:46] <mac_v> rugby471: hi... ;)
[10:46] <rugby471> mac_v: : hi
[10:47] <mac_v> Bug 423355 , how are you fixing this? mpt has new plans for the update manager layout
[10:49] <mac_v> rugby471: also SS Bug 423600 , is similar
[10:49] <rugby471> mac_v: I just set the window to automatically open in the center (the same line of code mvo used to make software-store open in the center)
[10:49] <rugby471> hehe
[10:49] <mac_v> rugby471: you are a huge copycat ;p
[10:50] <rugby471> mac_v: if it isn't broken why reimplement it :-)
[10:50] <mac_v> rugby471: could you pls paste the code? , mpt's new plan is to make the window considerably smaller
[10:51] <rugby471> mac_v: sure but why?
[10:51] <mac_v> rugby471: does the code make any judgements about the window size , if not no need , how will it behave when the user expand the window
[10:51] <mac_v> rugby471: > PM me , i'll show the layout
[10:53] <rugby471> mac_v: no, it just sets the window placement to center, you can see the diff here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rugby471/update-manager/fix-423355/revision/1504
[10:54] <mac_v> rugby471: ah... ok great
[10:54] <mac_v> rugby471: why is it a "In progress" , shouldnt it be "Fix Commit"
[10:55] <mac_v> commited*
[10:55] <rugby471> mac_v: I wasn't sure whether that was when it was committed to the trunk (as I have only proposed for merge so far) so I left it, however if you know better lease change it
[10:56] <mac_v> ok ;)
[10:58] <mac_v> rugby471: there is a bug in SS , check out the main window with Humanity theme
[10:58] <rugby471> mac_v: could you just tell me :-)
[10:59] <rugby471> I don't have my virtual machine up currently :-)
[10:59] <mac_v> rugby471: the programming icon is supposed to be white , it is displayed as black , the window is not able to handle svg
[10:59] <rugby471> mac_v: ah yes, don't worry we are going to handle that
[10:59] <rugby471> mac_v: you may also notice that any applications which have an svg icon are mucked up
[11:00] <rugby471> mac_v: both will get fixed together
[11:00] <mac_v> yeah , but we cant fix all apps ;p
[11:00] <mac_v> rugby471: also if the icon set is only 128px icon set , the icons are displayed in the original size only , ie 128px , and not scaled down
[11:11] <rugby471> mac_v: yup, all issues that we need to address :-)
[11:12] <rugby471> don't worry we are aware of them :-)
[11:12] <mac_v> ;p
[11:59] <asac> anyone has seen this: http://people.canonical.com/~asac/tmp/Screenshot.png ?
[12:00] <asac> that widget does not do anything for me
[12:00] <asac> except displaying that tooltip
[12:00] <asac> no clicking, nothing
[12:00] <asac> obviously i dont want it ;)
[12:02] <c_korn> asac: I also get this tooltip in virtualbox.
[12:02] <asac> yeah
[12:02] <asac> but why is that thing in the tray at all?=
[12:03] <asac> killall gnome-power-manager helped
[12:03]  * asac files a bug
[12:03] <mac_v> asac: known bug
[12:03] <asac> ah bug 423694
[12:03] <asac> low`
[12:03] <asac> ?
[12:04] <mac_v> let me get you the main bug
[12:04] <asac> that is highly confusing and clutters my desktop for nothing ;)
[12:08] <mac_v> yup that is a huge problem :(
[12:08] <mac_v> asac: Bug #397839
[12:08] <asac> yeah
[12:08] <asac> i marked the other one as high now
[12:08] <asac> feel tempted to milestone it ;)
[12:08] <mac_v> asac: the other one is a dup , i'm marking it as a dup ;p
[12:08] <asac> that randomly goes off i saw for quite some time
[12:08] <asac> mac_v: its not a dupe
[12:08] <asac> mac_v: the other bug is about that message
[12:09] <mac_v> asac: the xorg part is not yet fixed
[12:09] <asac> even if my screen suffers from it
[12:09] <asac> it shouldnt display it
[12:09] <asac> at least not without allowing some action
[12:09] <asac> mac_v: sure. but still that tray thing is completely useless ;)
[12:09] <mac_v> asac: but in principle it is due to the main bug , richard has the icon to let user know where the problem is
[12:09] <asac> mac_v: right. but as long as such a feature exists in gnome-power-manager its a bug on its own
[12:10] <asac> it needs to become more usefulö
[12:10] <asac> like: opening a webpage instead of telling me a long url where to look etc.
[12:10] <asac> its probably triggered by the other bug, but thats not my complain ;)
[12:10] <mac_v> asac: yeah i found that confusing too , but that has been there for a long time , where have you been ;p
[12:10] <mac_v> still vacation ;)
[12:10] <asac> i was on vacation for 1 week ;)
[12:10] <asac> i never had it before
[12:11] <asac> well i think its there for a few days now :)
[12:59] <asac> hah
[12:59] <asac> i found a way to make gwibber not shorten urls ;)
[12:59] <asac> just paste something that is more than just a url
[12:59] <asac> it doesnt detect urls in the middle! ;)
[15:39]  * hyperair groans. gcalctool is broken in more than once place it seems
[15:40] <hyperair> grinding cpu and hanging just to convert a decimal value into hexadecimal
[15:40] <hyperair> blargh.
[16:57] <slomo> hyperair: that's just to punish you because you asked it a too easy question that you could answer as well ;)
[16:57] <hyperair> slomo: *groan*
[16:58] <hyperair> slomo: the financial calculator bits are completely screwed up
[16:58] <hyperair> messed up gtkbuilder or glade file i reckon
[16:58] <slomo> :)
[17:00] <hyperair> hmph grin at my misery won't you? =p
[19:36] <dobey> hrmm, sun-java6-plugin doesn't seem to actually install a plug-in :-/
[20:20] <dobey> anyone around?
[20:31] <johanbr> dobey, that package just updates some browser links to the plugin
[20:31] <johanbr> the actual plugin is in sun-java6-bin
[20:31] <dobey> johanbr: it appears to do nothing
[20:32] <dobey> i've installed that, and icedtea6-plugin, and still no java in about:plugins
[20:32] <johanbr> which browser?
[20:32] <dobey> and i even symlinked the plug-in from sun-java6-bin directory to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and it still doesn't work
[20:32] <dobey> firefox
[20:32] <johanbr> which version?
[20:33] <dobey> it fails with both 3.5 and 3.0
[20:33] <dobey> and no useful output on console
[20:33] <johanbr> do you have a libjavaplugin.so in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/ ?
[20:33] <dobey> yes
[20:34] <johanbr> what does it point to?
[20:35] <dobey> /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-1.9-javaplugin.so
[20:35] <johanbr> and what does that point to?
[20:35] <dobey> which points to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so
[20:36] <johanbr> that sounds right
[20:36] <dobey> yes, but it's not working :(
[20:56] <dobey> johanbr: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/424971 :(
[23:26] <johanbr> dobey, strange, it works fine for me
[23:26] <johanbr> I'm running 64-bit, though


[17:15] <lamont> oh btw, upgrading royal atm, you prolly don't want to build livecds for ppc
[17:16] <lamont> and, in fact, the ssh to trigger will fail
[17:38] <lamont> someone wanna kick off a daily livecd build on ppc ??


[00:00] <kevin6888296> hey jdeslip
[01:01] <jdeslip> Hey keven6888296 - having a good weekend?
[01:26] <kevin6888296> so far so good jdeslip, how about yourself?
[02:49] <jdeslip> It was a pretty nice weekend.
[02:51] <jdeslip> JamezQ: Is that you that just requested membership?
[02:51] <jdeslip> And... are you a real person? ;)
[02:51] <JamezQ> yea
[02:51] <JamezQ> ;)
[02:51] <JamezQ> Or an amazing bot.
[02:51] <JamezQ> Honestly, both deserve membership
[02:51] <jdeslip> Good point
[02:53] <JamezQ> so, do loco's ever do programming projects?
[02:53] <jdeslip> Well, they can.  But mostly people working on a particular project are not necessarily geographically nearby
[02:54] <grantbow> People do projects. Volunteer design by committee often has disadvantages in my experience.
[02:54] <jdeslip> The LoCo's efforts are mostly focused on awareness, advocacy and having fun
[02:54] <philipballew> lite entire projects or like programing like bug's?
[02:54] <philipballew> *like
[02:55]  * aaditya starts to fade in
[02:55] <grantbow> organizing Ubuntu precenses at events are quite worthy of the project title
[02:55] <grantbow> err, presences
[02:55] <jdeslip> grantbow: thanks for all your efforts at todays BLUG meeting
[02:55] <philipballew> ive seen it where members of a loco do a project but its not endorsed by the loco itself
[02:55] <grantbow> jdeslip: was fun
[02:55] <JamezQ> I see
[02:55] <grantbow> philipballew: if the project is good what does it matter?
[02:56] <jdeslip> JamezQ: But many people in the LoCo, myself included, have our own programming projects going on.  The channel is sometimes a good place to get help.
[02:56] <grantbow> opinions are just opinions
[02:56] <grantbow> code is ocde
[02:56] <grantbow> code
[02:56] <JamezQ> jdeslip: What are you working on?
[02:56] <philipballew> it doesnt. doesnt in my opinion at least
[02:57] <jdeslip> I have a couple small Ubuntu apps in development.  One is: https://launchpad.net/geeq
[02:57] <JamezQ> neat
[02:59] <jdeslip> Ok, almost time for the meeting.  Who is here for the meeting?
[02:59] <akk> o/
[03:00] <jledbetter> o/
[03:00] <JamezQ> Okay, so thats two
[03:00] <jtatum> o/
[03:00] <philipballew> I am!!!
[03:00] <philipballew> teo
[03:00] <jdeslip> OK - well let's begin.  People can chime in as they arrive.
[03:00] <grantbow> people will reveal themselves
[03:00] <jdeslip> ---------------- Begin Meeting ------------------
[03:01] <jdeslip> We usually begin with announcements.  Does anyone have something to share that is relevant to the team?
[03:02] <grantbow> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11April10
[03:02] <jdeslip> In case anyone is not aware Ubuntu 11.04 is scheduled to be released on the 28th of this month.
[03:02] <jdeslip> grantbow: thanks
[03:02] <philipballew> how did the global jams play out?
[03:02] <philipballew> thats the first item
[03:02] <jdeslip> So, that is agenda item 1.
[03:03] <grantbow> Open Week is coming up May 2nd. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[03:03] <jdeslip> excellent
[03:03] <jdeslip> Any other announcements?
[03:03] <grantbow> not that I can think of.
[03:04] <grantbow> jono did a Global Jam in Walnut Creek on Friday.
[03:04] <jdeslip> Can you summarize that grantbow?
[03:04] <grantbow> pleia2 did a Global Jam on Sunday in Berkeley
[03:04] <grantbow> I attended both.  I wish they could summarize but pleia2 is on vacation.
[03:04] <jdeslip> I can summarize the second, but did not attend the first.
[03:05] <grantbow> were there others?
[03:05] <philipballew> i assume jono isnt here
[03:05] <jdeslip> Well, at the second event, Sunday in Berkeley, we had 6 attendees total.
[03:06] <grantbow> no other events are listed http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/history
[03:06] <grantbow> Global Jam events at least
[03:06] <jdeslip> pleia2 brought some documentation on xubuntu with instructions for testers.  I believe a couple of bugs were filed against it.
[03:07] <philipballew> my email says there were only two
[03:07] <jdeslip> I personally spent my time testing Ubuntu and Unity - and filed a couple bugs.
[03:07] <grantbow> the folks in this channel for IRC were helpful at both events - thank you virtual attendees too!
[03:08] <jdeslip> I think, in the future, we might be able to make the events even more succesful by coming up with a short list of focused tasks ahead of time.
[03:09] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:09] <jdeslip> pleia2 task list for xubuntu seemed like a good example
[03:09] <grantbow> We talked about several bugs including some in Unity and road tested the future release.
[03:09] <jdeslip> Any other feedback from anyone who attended one of the two events?
[03:10] <grantbow> We had a new MOTU attend the Walnut Creek event.
[03:10] <grantbow> We talked about UDS sponsorships which have now been announced. You know if you are going by now.
[03:10] <grantbow> That's all I can recall right now.
[03:11] <jdeslip> OK, so let's move on to agenda item 2.  Release party for 11.04.
[03:11]  * kevin6888296 sneaks in
[03:11] <jdeslip> Since I missed the last meeting, I am a bit out of the loop (or not?) - are there any plans or locations planned yet?
[03:12] <grantbow> jono often has something up his sleeve.  I'll email him.
[03:12] <philipballew> i dont recal  any being mantoned last meeting
[03:12] <jdeslip> For the last few releases, we have met in SF either at the Thirsty bear or nearby
[03:12] <grantbow> nothing planned that I am aware of.
[03:13] <jdeslip> Usually just an opportunity for people who live nearby to meet eachother person and have fun celebrating the release
[03:13] <kevin6888296> are you doing anything in your neck philipballew ?
[03:13] <jdeslip> Ok, I'll talk to pleia2 and see if she wants to host something in SF at Thirsty Bear or nearby again.
[03:14] <jdeslip> Ya, hopefully some of the SoCal folks can put something together.
[03:14] <kevin6888296> it's just a matter of finding a venue, i'm starting to sync up with a hacker space in culver city
[03:14] <kevin6888296> perhaps that might be an option
[03:14] <grantbow> kevin*: cool!
[03:14] <eps> I like the concept of "nearby." Thirsty Bear is so noisy it's difficult to converse.
[03:15] <JamezQ> So, how about the NorCal guys? Up in the bay? What if someone is there?
[03:15] <philipballew> nothing, i might email david as he possibly has something. i personaally have nothing though
[03:15] <jdeslip> Cool.  Let us know how that goes by sending an email to the mailing list
[03:15] <grantbow> eps: plan an event if you don't prefer the ones that get planned.
[03:15] <grantbow> jdeslip: right
[03:15] <eps> grantbow: I'm not challenging the event, just the venue
[03:16] <kevin6888296> philipballew: ah
[03:16] <jdeslip> JamezQ: We will likely have a party in the Bay area (probably SF) - I'll talk to pleia2 and write an email to the list. We should sync with jono if he is planning something
[03:16] <kevin6888296> eps: finding a venue ain't easy, at least not in my experience.
[03:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[03:16] <jdeslip> eps: we'll keep your opinion in mind.  Do you have another suggestion for a place?
[03:16] <grantbow> there is no limit to the number of events.
[03:16] <philipballew> does the jam have to be on the actual release date or would the weekend work just as well?
[03:17] <kevin6888296> well, i suppose an event with just 1 person still counts as an event
[03:17] <eps> jdeslip: not off the top of my head. Thirsty Bear would work if we had enough attendees to reserve our own area; we're just too small at the moment.
[03:17] <jdeslip> philipballew: the weekend is fine.  Usually we do it within a week or so of release.  But, there is no reason it has to be on the release date.
[03:17] <grantbow> no hard limits, just around that time.
[03:18] <philipballew> excellent
[03:18] <grantbow> as the time draws closer people will get more details nailed down as usual.
[03:19] <grantbow> 18 days or so left
[03:19] <kevin6888296> philipballew: it probably depends on who is attending
[03:20] <jdeslip> OK.  So if philipballew, kevin6888296 want to se something up as well as anyone else, please send an email to the list with planned location and time so others in the area know
[03:20] <jdeslip> Anything from a get-together to an advocacy event would be great.
[03:21] <grantbow> sounds good
[03:21] <grantbow> installfests are possible too if you are quick with downloads but it's not required
[03:21] <philipballew> is doing one just finding a place to have it and a time?
[03:21] <grantbow> yes
[03:21] <jdeslip> philipballew: that is probably the hardest part.
[03:22] <grantbow> and telling people about it
[03:22] <jdeslip> You can basically just make it a get-together for ubuntu users / team-members in the area.  If you want you can also burn some discs, make a sign and do a little advocacy.
[03:23] <jdeslip> Can use the teams cd-sleeve design
[03:23] <philipballew> for sure. well i can make the sing, find a place. but would people from greater so cal come is the real question
[03:24] <grantbow> ask around
[03:24] <jdeslip> I am guessing you would get quite a few.  You can judge by response to the mailing list.
[03:24] <eps> Publicity helps. High gasoline prices don't.
[03:24] <jdeslip> true story
[03:25] <philipballew> bikes ftw!
[03:25] <philipballew> i can shoot a invitation out then find a place by the number of people that respond
[03:26] <jdeslip> That would be a good plan I think
[03:26] <jdeslip> Ok does anyone have something they would like to add to the meeting agenda?  Announcements, proposals etc...?
[03:26] <akk> A lot of people won't respond much ahead of time, though.
[03:27] <grantbow> Here are a couple URLs I should have mentioned during the global jam wrap-up section. http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=4196  Jono didn't write much about Walnut Creek specifically but he has a few global jam entries.  http://www.jonobacon.org/
[03:27] <aaditya> How about an Ubuntu California biking group?
[03:27] <grantbow> the floor is open
[03:27] <jdeslip> If you can find other team-members who like biking than why not? ;)
[03:28] <philipballew> yes. we ride bikes while holding our laptops!!!
[03:28] <aaditya> Would people enjoy going out in the greens and burn some calories than sitting in a coffee shop and consuming more?
[03:28] <aaditya> I won't be surprised to see a laptop mounted on a bike.
[03:28] <aaditya> There's mounts for smartphones out there.
[03:28] <JamezQ> Heh, I don't know if that is legal.
[03:28] <aaditya> Everything's legal when you're on a bike ;)
[03:28] <aaditya> well almost.
[03:28] <jdeslip> JamezQ: was about to say that
[03:29] <akk> There's a bill in the works to ban non-handsfree phones (and presumably texting) on bikes, I've read.
[03:29] <aaditya> Do people actually do that? o.O
[03:29] <philipballew> but the cheeper pay as you go phones rule!
[03:29] <grantbow> because that's the most important issue in the state of course...
[03:29]  * akk would be interested if there was a south bay group going biking
[03:29] <grantbow> anything else Ubuntu related?
[03:30] <eps> It looks like the next SF Ubuntu Hour will be one week later than customary. http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events
[03:30] <jdeslip> eps: yes, good find.
[03:30] <aaditya> alright akk, that makes two of us.
[03:30] <akk> aaditya: Oh yeah, I've seen lots of people riding with 1 or 0 hands while using the other(s) to hold a phone to their ear.
[03:30] <grantbow> eps: thanks for the reminder
[03:30] <jdeslip> OK: Anything else before we close the meeting?
[03:31] <grantbow> Ubuntu Hours are coming up - keep an eye on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events and/or ...
[03:31] <grantbow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours
[03:31] <jdeslip> -------------- Meeting Ends ---------------------
[03:32]  * aaditya starts to zone out.
[03:32] <jdeslip> Thanks for attending everyone, next meeting in two weeks
[03:32] <grantbow> Thanks everyone for attending. Thanks Jack for running the meeting.
[03:32] <jledbetter> Night y'all :)
[03:32] <philipballew> most excellent
[03:34] <aaditya> o.O
[03:34] <aaditya> Thanks all.
[03:34] <aaditya> also, s/10/17/ in topic?
[03:34] <eps> 24th
[03:34] <aaditya> right, 24.
[03:34] <aaditya> thank you ChanServ .
[03:34] <jdeslip> third time is the charm...
[03:35] <jledbetter> hehe
[03:36] <grantbow> \o/
[03:37] <eps>  v
[03:37] <eps>  |
[03:37] <eps> ___
[03:37] <grantbow> mailed jono about another flash mob at Thirsty Bear.
[03:37] <jledbetter> martini glass?
[03:37]  * eps giggles
[03:38] <grantbow> hehe
[03:39] <philipballew> mailed david about possible socal release party
[03:40] <philipballew> ill look for a place this week
[03:40] <philipballew> should be good, maybe
[03:45] <eps> Location scouting should be a year-round activity.
[04:29] <kevin6888296> hey MarkDude
[04:30] <MarkDude> http://cls11.eventbrite.com/ Community Leadership Summit 2011
[04:30] <MarkDude> Hello kevin6888296
[04:31] <kevin6888296> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/873/detail/ los angeles ubuntu hour
[04:31] <kevin6888296> MarkDo
[04:31] <kevin6888296> ah yes, gah-sho MarkDude
[04:31] <kdub> is the meeting still going on?
[04:31] <kevin6888296> gah-sho kdub
[04:31] <kevin6888296> no, it just finished
[04:32] <kdub> darn, i always miss it
[04:32] <kevin6888296> you may want to sink up with philipballew though wrt San Diego release party
[04:33] <kevin6888296> sync, yeah i see it
[04:33] <kdub> will do
[04:36] <kdub> what's gah sho
[04:36] <kevin6888296> kdub: http://www.sfzc.org/images/people/linda_ruth_gasho.jpg
[04:37] <kevin6888296> like nahm-eh-steh
[04:38] <kevin6888296> i like the greeting better than hell-oh, or "hey"  or "hi"
[04:38] <kevin6888296> hay
[04:38] <kevin6888296> high
[04:43] <kdub> i like 'wattup'
[04:44] <kdub> but with a nasally midwestern A
[04:50] <kevin6888296> wudd-up?  or waht-up?
[04:50] <kdub> more like wahtttup
[04:50] <kevin6888296> haha
[04:50] <kevin6888296> watt-up
[04:51] <kevin6888296> sweeeet
[04:51] <kevin6888296> bzzzt
[04:57]  * MarkDude is more used to namaste with that pose :)
[04:58] <MarkDude> Then is Santa Cruz- it might also mean *hello fellow Hippie* ;)
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i don't like how "namaste" is pronounced
[05:01] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i don't like "nahm-ah-stay"
[05:01] <kevin6888296> i like "nahm-ah-steh" or "nahm-eh-steh"
[16:34] <iheartubuntu> nice job on the ubuntu hour kevin6888296
[16:35]  * iheartubuntu is using natty without unity
[17:11] <nhaines> akgraner: wow, you're on Slashdot.  :)
[17:12] <akgraner> nah - they left out Bruce's name which is on the original submission
[17:13] <akgraner> I just thought it was a great article so I submitted it...
[17:13] <akgraner> I've only personally be /.'d twice I think :-)
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> how does one get slashdotted?
[17:19] <akgraner> people submit links to stories and some there decides if it's worthy or something
[17:19] <akgraner> s/some/someone
[17:20] <akgraner> not every story people submit make it
[17:32] <nhaines> akgraner: they never take *my* submissions.  :)
[17:50] <kdub> maybe i can figure out a way to make it to jono 's leadership summit in oregon...
[17:50] <kdub> sandiego to oregon is a lot of driving though :)
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> so anyone going to work at fukashima?
[19:32] <kevin6888296> should i bother applying?
[19:32] <kevin6888296> $100/hr
[19:32] <kevin6888296> will they pay for my flight?
[19:32] <DarkwingDuck> Doing what work??
[19:33] <kevin6888296> i didn't even bother checking
[19:33] <kevin6888296> here's the article, in japanese: http://news.livedoor.com/article/detail/5480812/
[19:34] <kevin6888296> it's translating now
[19:35] <kevin6888296> The main work content " on the premises of a nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, cleaning, work assistance and thank you. Masu Hashi protective equipment and protective clothing provided. wearing protective equipment on a paid, field will move as directed. will be around for 3 hours a day working on the thought of field workers, "and there.
[19:37] <akk> And the rest of the time sleeping on the floor and eating a lot less than they need. Conditions are very rough for those workers.
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> if the protective clothing gets in the way, im sure its optional
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> "We recommend that you carefully decide."
[19:41] <iheartubuntu> "If there is a strong will to save your world, you might also be responsible for part of a savior."
[19:48] <kevin6888296> hey iheartubuntu how's your back?  it's funny, i was doing some new exercises and now my back hurts.
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> my back isnt much better actually. i dont know what to do. i think i'll go to a chiropractor today or tomorrow.
[20:07] <iheartubuntu> i have weird sharp pains coming from my lower back shooting all around my body when i twist and turn.
[20:10] <kevin6888296> damn.  that's bad.
[20:11] <kevin6888296> sounds like it's skeletal or stretched connective tissue
[20:11] <kevin6888296> have you been taking ibuprofen?
[20:12] <kevin6888296> you could also take ibuprofen + aspirin.  i have heard drug synergy occurs.  of course, be careful with the dosage.  i personally wouldn't take more than 400mg of both.
[20:13] <kevin6888296> that is 200mg of ibuprofen and 200mg of aspirin
[20:13] <nhaines> Ibuprofen is just a muscle relaxant, so if it hasn't helped by now then something else is going on.
[20:13] <kevin6888296> blood thinner
[20:14] <nhaines> A chiropractor's probably your best bet.  If your back is out of alignment, that's something that's easy to fix.
[20:15] <kevin6888296> i heard chiropractors are as effective as placebo.
[20:20]  * iheartubuntu took 1600mg of ibu and it did nothing
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> i have pretty good luck with my chiro
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> first time i went to him he had me stand in front of a mirror and asked... see anything wrong?
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> i said nope!
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> and then he said look at your shoulders. my shoulders were about 3 inches difference in height compared to each other
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> he adjusted me and then we did it again and my shoulders were level
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> last time i went to him about 2 yrs ago. same back problem actually. his nurse did some ultra sonic on my back and it did nothing for me
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> thats why i havent really wanted to go this time
[20:23] <iheartubuntu> i mean its getting better, just really slow.
[20:24] <nhaines> Yeah, my chiropractor is really great.  He never does ultrasound by itself though.
[20:24] <kevin6888296> i'm relunctant to say it, but i bet losing that 20lbs you said you gained would probably do wonders
[20:24]  * iheartubuntu is looking for his gym card right now
[20:24] <iheartubuntu> im sure.ive actually cut back on the beer :|
[20:25] <kevin6888296> empty calories!
[20:25] <iheartubuntu> whenever im in shape, i dont need a chiro
[20:25] <iheartubuntu> and i was in pretty good shape last year until about october
[20:26] <kevin6888296> i got in "shape" about 4 years ago i think it was
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> i wish i had the time to play in a soccer league again
[20:26] <kevin6888296> well, 4 years ago i could do like 2 pull-ups, now i can do 5
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> once my wife gets her drivers license i think i'll get back into soccer
[20:26] <kevin6888296> wish some would say is pathetic...soooo
[20:27] <kevin6888296> *which
[20:27] <iheartubuntu> nhaines yah i was adjusted first then the ultrasonic.
[20:27] <iheartubuntu> nhaines ive thought many times to do some chiro classes at night. i find it very interesting
[20:28] <iheartubuntu> There is a good book i like. i should read it again... "Dr. Fulford's Touch of Life: The Healing Power of the Natural Life Force"
[20:28] <iheartubuntu> quick read, some good stretches in it too
[20:30] <nhaines> I'm not superstitious, I only go when I've actually thrown my back out of alignment and need it to be adjusted.
[20:30] <kevin6888296> iheartubuntu: have you read the 4 noble truths?
[20:31] <kevin6888296> "back out of alignment" is poorly defined in my brain
[20:31] <kevin6888296> i assume it doesn't mean "dislocated vertebrae"
[20:31] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[20:32] <kevin6888296> perhaps then it's just "muscles around the spine aren't supporting it properly"
[20:34] <nhaines> No, I think perhaps it's usually "violent movement caused dislocated vertabrae."
[20:35] <kevin6888296> so then it should show up on an x-ray
[20:35] <nhaines> Probably.
[20:35] <kevin6888296> no referal needed, ppo
[20:35] <kevin6888296> interesting
[20:35] <kevin6888296> i said doesn't
[20:36] <nhaines> No you didn't.
[20:36]  * kevin6888296 briefly wonders what a D.O. would say the problem is
[20:36] <kevin6888296> yes i did
[20:36] <nhaines> No you didn't.
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> my chiro is 50 bucks, no info needed except my phone and address
[20:37] <kevin6888296> no u
[20:37] <kevin6888296> wow, that isn't expensive at all.  i thought chiro's would be more expensive
[20:37] <iheartubuntu> i like the new hover bar for dragging up or down on empathy or web browser in natty
[20:37] <kevin6888296> i wonder how they pop dislocated vertebrae back into place...
[20:37] <kevin6888296> do they have you hang from a chinup bar?
[20:37] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: what browser do you use?
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> i was in a car accident a few years ago and did give the insurance info which covered everythign at the time
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> chrome
[20:38] <kevin6888296> that's probably what i would do if i though i had dislocated vertebrae
[20:38] <nhaines> kevin6888296: they put you on a table and stretch your your spinal column until it realigns.
[20:38] <kevin6888296> *thought
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> wait i dont get that in chomre
[20:38] <iheartubuntu> chrome
[20:38] <kevin6888296> they put you on...*the rack*
[20:39] <kevin6888296> cooool
[20:39] <kevin6888296> don't get what in chrome iheartubuntu ?
[20:39] <iheartubuntu> i like the apps in chrome even though they are just huge weblinks for the most part
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> i didnt have to pay 50 in chrome
[20:41] <kevin6888296> that's good
[20:42] <kevin6888296> waits on ankles, hang, "aligns" back
[20:42] <kevin6888296> save $50?
[20:42] <kevin6888296> *weights
[20:43] <kevin6888296> hey, that gave me an idea.  that must be how these guys can do like 45 pull ups.  they use weights.
[20:43] <kevin6888296> should've known
[20:43]  * kevin6888296 walks off a pier
[20:47] <kevin6888296> whoa, this is cool:  http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/investing-in-worlds-largest-solar-power.html
[20:48] <iheartubuntu> there was a news article a few years ago saying that my local walmart had gone 80% solar
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> you can see the entire walmart from the 57 freeway heading south (just south of the 210) and there is not one solar panel on the roof or on any of the property
[20:49] <iheartubuntu> what a scam
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> the only thing they could have done is bought power generated by solar, which they didnt state
[20:52] <iheartubuntu> my electric bill rarely tops $20 a month. its mostly around $15, so solar wouldnt make too much sense for me, unless i was a renegade and wanted to detach from all gov sponsored programs (which i do)
[20:53] <iheartubuntu> ive got all the parts for a vertical axis wind turbine... just need to build it. im interested to see how much (or how little) electricity i get from it
[21:01] <kevin6888296> wind turbine?  that's sound like 300 lbs of awesome
[21:01] <kevin6888296> how heavy is it?
[21:01] <kevin6888296> i just thought the solar tower thing was cool
[21:02] <kevin6888296> i had speculated on using mirror technology like 2 years ago, but of course, nobody i knew neither cared enough nor had the time to discuss it
[21:02] <kevin6888296> and i don't have a laboratory...sooo
[21:02] <kevin6888296> should've invested in one when i had the $
[21:02] <kevin6888296> bigons
[21:03]  * kevin6888296 is making french fries
[21:03] <iheartubuntu> you can build a VAWT on the cheap. lots of people are doing it. look around youtube for VAWT
[21:03] <kevin6888296> i was thinking about Jono, and how everybody loves Bacon.
[21:04] <kevin6888296> and i thought i should change my last name to "Potato"
[21:04] <kevin6888296> then i could go by "Mr. Potato"
[21:04] <kevin6888296> i only have $200
[21:04] <kevin6888296> and i need to be thrifty with it, hopefully i get a job before it's all gone
[21:04]  * kevin6888296 smiles
[21:07] <iheartubuntu> people are making VAWTs from rain gutters, PVC piping, you name it
[21:07] <kevin6888296> interesting, PVC piping
[21:07] <kevin6888296> how much did yours cost iheartubuntu ?
[21:08] <kevin6888296> i'll tell Juli
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXYUBNpa4Hg
[21:09] <iheartubuntu> that one can produce 3Kw
[21:09] <iheartubuntu> with almost no breeze
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> here is another making about 2200kw a month... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeTuAaC1JVo
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> just youtube VAWT or vertical axis wind turbine
[21:11] <iheartubuntu> lots of good ideas spinning around
[21:12] <kdub> i'm sure the HOA would love that
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> you can of course make smaller ones
[21:14] <iheartubuntu> put a smaller one on the garage or something.
[21:14] <kevin6888296> yeah, i just remembered, Juli rents
[21:14] <kevin6888296> we would have to rent from green landlords
[21:14] <iheartubuntu> i have a huge steel pipe in my backyard. no idea what it was once used for (a hitching post?)... im going to hook mine up on top of it
[21:15] <kevin6888296> that would be cool with putting a wind turbine on the roof, there really is no other place to put it on this lot
[21:15] <kevin6888296> how many bedroom's is your house iheartubuntu ?
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> only two right nowe
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> now
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> im expanding
[21:22] <kevin6888296> on the roof wouldn't be copasetic though
[21:22] <kevin6888296> expanding how?  i haven't followed your 1914 blog in awhile iheartubuntu
[21:25] <iheartubuntu> i actually havent done much there in a while :)
[21:25] <iheartubuntu> my strawberries are coming in
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> big juicy red
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> cant wait
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> peaches are coming in
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> just picked 3 cabbages yesterday
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> big ones too im guessing 3 lbs each one
[21:26] <iheartubuntu> such a nice day yesterday
[21:27]  * iheartubuntu is starting to like natty
[21:27] <kevin6888296> coooool
[21:35] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: what do you like about it?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> about yesterday?
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> ohh where do i begin
[21:36] <iheartubuntu> the birds chirping
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the cat flip flopping on the warm walkway
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the puffy clouds above the mountain tops
[21:37] <iheartubuntu> the snow on mt baldy
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> the ice cream truck playing nursery rhymes from an 8-track
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> ohh you mean natty
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> its very clean and polished
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> with a the super key commands i was unhappy. i had them in compiz before, and never used them since i moused around
[21:39] <iheartubuntu> super keys are nice
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> i meant... without the superkeys i was unhappy using natty
[21:42] <iheartubuntu> actually, even with the superkeys, its still an extra step to get to another workspace
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> superkeys make it easier, but id still prefer a place to mouse over and pick my workspace
[21:44] <iheartubuntu> right now i miss being able to add things to the panel
[21:46] <iheartubuntu> and id be worried about increasing key commands with subsequent ubuntu releases
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> its just easier to mouse to where u need to go IMO
[21:47] <seidos> i want to be able to issue voice commands to my system
[21:47] <seidos> typing is so...archaic
[21:48] <nhaines> I always use Ctl-Alt-arrow to switch workspaces.
[21:48] <seidos> especially with joint pain in the wrist
[21:48] <seidos> same here
[21:48] <seidos> keyboard shortcuts are an improvement
[21:48] <seidos> i should download the most recent natty iso, last one i tried wouldn't run
[21:49] <seidos> ironically, i suspect at some point my notebook will get stuck at some release, and no longer be able to run the latest and greatest version
[21:53] <akk> That's normal.
[21:57] <iheartubuntu> Im doing super+S to see my workspaces
[22:03] <seidos> i should be planning for this inevitably
[22:03] <seidos> perhaps frequenting my favorite old hardware blog
[22:03] <seidos> moving more and more things to the terminal would probably be a good idea
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> if your system works, you probably dont need to do anything, right?
[22:20] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: probably.