[12:13] <LaserJock> dang it is amazing how many folks in #ltsp are using some form of Ubuntu
[12:20] <Amaranth> hehe
[12:21] <Amaranth> we're _the_ ltsp distro :P
[01:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:26] <bimberi> \o/ - my edubuntu CD's have arrived
[02:26] <crimsun> hoo-rah
[02:27] <bimberi> shame there's no LiveCD :(
[02:28] <bimberi> but i can understand the economics
[02:28] <LaserJock> I managed to grab 1 each of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu in Paris
[02:29] <LaserJock> and a little roll of stickers ;-)
[02:29] <bimberi> ooh yes the stickers are a nice unexpected bonus
[02:30] <LaserJock> yes
[03:08] <chris-t4> I am updating my Edubuntu flash videos, but found out that the mp3 format wasn't supported by default in Edubuntu. I can leave the audio uncompressed or use ADPCM. Would it be best to leave the audo uncompressed so that new users can veiw my content more easily? http://www.learningelectric.com/edubuntu.html
[03:09] <crimsun> is ogg vorbis absolutely out of the question?
[03:10] <chris-t4> I can find no way to convert audio and video from AVI to OGG
[03:16] <chris-t4> Do you think most Edubuntu users intall mp3 capability or would I be leaving out most new users?
[03:19] <crimsun> I think it's safe to assume that clueful desktop users will install support for mp3
[03:19] <crimsun> I wouldn't assume that most users, however, would do that.
[03:21] <chris-t4> Thanks, although it will create larger file sizes I think I will leave them uncompressed. My main purpose is to make these for non technical teachers and new usrers.
[03:22] <crimsun> if you can test that it plays on a default Edubuntu install, that would help immensely.
[03:23] <chris-t4> I will do that, although it will require downloading flash.
[03:25] <crimsun> err, it will require a teacher to install Flash?
[03:28] <chris-t4> Unfortunatly, yes. Luckily when they click on the video Firefox takes them to the page to download the plugin with some pretty good instructions.
[03:30] <crimsun> that won't work.
[03:30] <crimsun> they need to install the flashplugin-nonfree package.
[03:31] <crimsun> that's why having them install more stuff is suboptimal
[03:33] <chris-t4> I don't know of any easier format that these type of videos can be produced in for Edubuntu. Any recomendations?
[03:35] <chris-t4> Do you mean that it is not advisable or that it won't work, because it did install for me this way and then played the videos very well.
[03:41] <crimsun> it's not the recommended route
[03:42] <crimsun> but if that's what works easiest for your target audience, then go with it
[03:42] <chris-t4> Thank you crimsun. You have been helpful.
[03:51] <crimsun> np
[03:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: I just like doing that 'cause crimsun hates me :-)
[03:59] <LaserJock> lol
[04:03] <crimsun> geez, bddebian cooties.
[04:04] <crimsun> better go bathe in my pony bubble bath
[04:04] <bddebian> heh
[04:04] <LaserJock> lol
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was wondering if edubuntu having huge icons was a known bug, and where i look for it - presumably one of the icon packages?
[04:08] <LaserJock> huge?
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> 3 or 4 times the 'default' size before i upgraded one of the theme/icon packages
[04:09] <LaserJock> and it is only Edubuntu?
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> my ubuntu box is fine. it could be the garnome icon set... hm. *looks at theme settings*
[04:10] <LaserJock> seems like I remember people muttering something like that in Ubuntu
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i switched theme to 'edubuntu plain' and the icons sized down to the right size, then i switched back to edubuntu colours, and that sized up again. so its the icons related
[04:11] <adamant1988> hi all
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey :)
[04:12] <adamant1988> I'm just curious, what grade level would you guys say edubuntu is best suited for?
[04:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd say elementary school, but I'm no teacher
[04:16] <LaserJock> adamant1988: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/ has maybe a better overview of the apps
[04:17] <adamant1988> Well see, I'm a senior in HS.  and I want to suggest either Ubuntu or Edubuntu to them...
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> a highschool? Ubuntu
[04:18] <LaserJock> well, you can install other apps after you install
[04:18] <LaserJock> the big thing about Edubuntu is it is easy to build a LTSP thin client computer lab
[04:19] <LaserJock> which is nice for schools
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant you just install the ltsp gear into ubuntu (i havent done ltsp since sarge)
[04:22] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:22] <LaserJock> but the Edubuntu cd automatically does it
[04:22] <LaserJock> so it's easier to do via an Edubuntu CD
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> true, i suppose it comes down to wehter you install new as needed+hide existing under edubuntu or install ltsp+other under ubuntu in this case :)
[04:25] <LaserJock> more or less
[04:33] <sbalneav> ogra: der pingen
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> grrr. i used up all my mana
[08:20] <HedgeMage> heh
[08:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[08:20] <HedgeMage> Kamping_Kaiser: you'd like how karma works in Earthdawn better, especially if you're a windling. :P
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe.
[08:21] <HedgeMage> </tabletop geek>
[08:46] <xbl> good day!
[08:47] <xbl> just want to ask... what are the things ubuntu has that edubuntu hasn't
[08:59] <HedgeMage> brown, everywhere ;)
[09:00] <HedgeMage> j/k
[09:00] <HedgeMage> Ubuntu and Edubuntu are very similar, and they share the same repos so everything available on one is available for the other.
[09:01] <HedgeMage> They have different default apps and different theming and such (plus Edubuntu is head-and-shoulders above with LTSP) but other than that they are pretty much the same
[10:14] <rohan> hi all
[10:14] <rohan> there is not edubuntu live cd ?]
[10:21] <jsgotangco> yes there is
[11:20] <triplah> howdy
[11:21] <triplah> I have a question about edubuntu, I'm doing a study on the possibility of using edubuntu as the main software for a not-for-profit company providing unified computer systems to schools
[11:21] <triplah> possibly using LTSP as well
[11:21] <triplah> i'm just wondering if anyone knows of companies or organisations that are doing this already?
[11:23] <DanielC> Using edubuntu: yes.  Using it as the *main* software: no.
[11:23] <triplah> hmm
[11:24] <DanielC> I use Ubuntu as my only software, but other people in this company use Windows.
[11:24] <triplah> well i was thinking more iin labs etc
[11:24] <triplah> for student use
[11:24] <DanielC> This is a small 7-person company. 2 of use use Ubuntu and the others use Windows.
[11:24] <triplah> not to replace admin type software
[11:24] <DanielC> Ok, that's better :)
[11:25] <DanielC> We setup Edubuntu at a local school. But it's still not their main software.
[11:25] <DanielC> To be honest, it's really just an internet cafe.
[11:25] <triplah> my idea was basically to let the school pay for the rent of a big hardware rig to do the ltsp stuff, and pay for the service of maintenance etc
[11:25] <triplah> ahh
[11:26] <triplah> it'd be cheaper to do that, and use edubuntu on existing hardware than to upgrade to vista for example
[11:26] <DanielC> Yes.
[11:26] <DanielC> With this school we got to reuse old PCs that they were going to throw away.
[11:26] <triplah> yep, nice
[11:48] <DanielC> Where would be a good place to ask a licensing question?
[11:49] <DanielC> Is there an #ubuntu-legal or something?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> whats the legal question? edubuntu related?
[11:50] <DanielC> it's Ubuntu-general. I can't find in the ISOs a written offer to provide the sources.
[11:50] <DanielC> The GPL requires that either you provide the sources or that you provide a written offer to give the sources for the cost of distribution.
[11:51] <DanielC> The reason I ask is that we, as re-distributors can re-use that written offer so that *we* are not required to provide sources if we don't modify the code (this is section 3(c) ).
[11:52] <jsgotangco> umm okay, im way out of league for that then
[11:52] <DanielC> I just wanted to know that installing Edubuntu for someone or giving them a CD wouldn't be technically GPL incompliant.
[11:52] <DanielC> No problem :)
[11:52] <jsgotangco> try asking in -devel
[11:53] <jsgotangco> its not really off-topic imo
[11:53] <DanielC> Ok. Is that a mailing list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:53] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:53] <DanielC> Ok, will do. Thanks.
[11:53] <jsgotangco> or maybe sounder is more appropriate
[11:53] <DanielC> What is sounder?
 jsgotangco: hey! I am done
 ?
 you can now push your changes to sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~blatant-and-awkward/gnome-app-install/main/
 whoa, I pushed for more than one hour :/
 mehhhh
 i'll push at home tonight
[11:54] <jsgotangco> * jsgotangco reminds glatzor that he still has a 9-5 job
 Jerome's Branch branch
 The latest bits direct from Manila
 doh
[11:54] <jsgotangco> ee
[11:54] <jsgotangco> crap
[11:54] <jsgotangco> sorry
[11:54] <jsgotangco> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/sounder
[11:54] <DanielC> Ok, thanks.
[12:04] <DanielC> I see that there are mailing lists specific to Edubuntu. Are those used much?
[01:25] <bimberi> DanielC: ping
[01:25] <DanielC> pong
[01:25] <bimberi> the offer is printed on the back of the CD sleeve.  Is that what you're looking for?
[01:25] <DanielC> Yes. Thanks.
[01:26] <DanielC> That would make Canonical GPL compliant.
[01:26] <DanielC> Hmm... now I need to decide how I can use that to be GPL compliant myself.
[01:27] <DanielC> The GPL section 3(c) simply says "Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code."
[01:27] <bimberi> "Source code for Ubuntu can be downloaded from archive.ubuntu.com or can be ordered from Canonical at the cost of the media and shipping"
[01:27] <DanielC> Ok.
[01:27] <bimberi> (from the sleeve)
[01:27] <DanielC> Maybe I can just put a copy of that in a README file.
[01:27] <DanielC> I wonder if that would be enough to become GPL compliant. I think that it would.
[01:28] <DanielC> If it doesn't, I can at least say that I was acting in good faith (I am).
[01:28] <bimberi> yep, you're certainly not alone in handing them out at conferences :)
[01:28] <DanielC> :-)
[01:29] <bimberi> Edubuntu featured at a big Education Expo in Sydney on the weekend
[01:29] <DanielC> I think it would be good for Canonical to put a README file in the CD with that notice.
[01:29] <DanielC> That way re-distributors would be automatically GPL compliant, via section 3(c) (by forwarding Canonical's offer).
[01:30] <bimberi> yes i thought that might be what you were looking for, hence my initial question :)
[01:33] <Yagisan> bimberi: it was ? I'd have liked to see that
[01:37] <bimberi> hi Yagisan, http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2006-June/msg00174.html
[01:39] <Yagisan> 3 weeks to learn C++
[01:39] <Yagisan> :-/
[01:46] <DanielC> why?
[01:56] <ogra> ************* Reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes ***************
[01:57] <DanielC> Thanks. I'll be an observer again.
[02:01] <ogra> ************* Reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starts now ***************
[02:23] <Yagisan> DanielC: I was given an exemption on programming basics, because I've done the work. I however have done it in a different language to what the uni choose for the course
[02:24] <Yagisan> so I need to learn C++ in 3 weeks, before intermediate programming begins
[02:24] <DanielC> ok
[02:24] <DanielC> I assume you at least know C already.
[02:24] <Yagisan> DanielC: not at all =-O
[02:25] <Yagisan> so this will be fun
[02:25] <DanielC> Ooops...
[02:25] <DanielC> I'll let you study then.
[02:26] <Yagisan> DanielC: hah, I wish the kids would let me
[03:01] <cbx33> ogra, if someone could get just a brief description to AliasVegas, she'd love to have a think about it....we had a very bad week but she'll have time now to consider it properly
[03:01] <jsgotangco> who is AliasVegas
[03:01] <jsgotangco> ?
[03:01] <pips1> AliasVegas is cbx33 wife, as far as i understand
[03:02] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco
[03:02] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yo
[03:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: word up homie
[03:03] <highvoltage> :p
[03:03] <jsgotangco> s/has/had
[03:03] <highvoltage> i've been swamped with admin. i'm not even getting to my real work :(
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ive been like trying to save my sanity, career and family :P
[03:04] <pips1> highvoltage, :-(
[03:05] <pips1> highvoltage, are you still working full-time? or was your request for part-time considered?
[03:06] <cbx33> jsgotangco, exactly like what it's been here too
[03:06] <pips1> jsgotangco, cbx33 I hear you
[03:07] <cbx33> on the family side we've had lost of stuff going on, but i think ti's all resolved now
[03:07] <cbx33> I should have a lot more time
[03:07] <cbx33> right I have to pop out
[03:07] <cbx33> I'll be back later guys
[03:07] <pips1> cbx33, cu
[03:08] <jsgotangco> well ive been hating my job more and more lately
[03:09] <jsgotangco> but on the other side, its what pays me so
[03:09] <jsgotangco> i cannot hate my present job fully
[03:10] <flint> jsgotangco, that is a real shame, you need to hate your job.  It is the way of things...
[03:10] <jsgotangco> i still have the moral responsibility to love it not for myself but for family
[03:10] <highvoltage> pips1: i'm still working full time, i might be able to go part time in the new company in about two months (maybe slightly sooner)
[03:10] <flint> jsgotangco, ah that is the tender trap.
[03:10] <flint> highvoltage, you get any mail from me yet Jonathan?
[03:10] <highvoltage> full time jobs are just so time consuming :)
[03:10] <jsgotangco> flint: perhaps i should stop thinking of myself more
[03:11] <flint> jsgotangco, no you must remember that you and I are merely pain sensors hurtling towards distruction, and that is on a good day! :^)
[03:12] <highvoltage> pips1: do you want to talk about features or content?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> perhaps that too
[03:12] <highvoltage> pips1: do you still have your account?
[03:12] <pips1> yep
[03:12] <flint> highvoltage, no mail yet eh?
[03:13] <highvoltage> flint: no, no mail from you yet
[03:13] <flint> highvoltage, damn smtp, (it is clearly the protocol that is out to get me... :^)
[03:13] <pips1> highvoltage, I'd like to enable more people contributing content the the site
[03:13] <rodarvus> I'll be paying very little attention to irc on the next few hours (drafting plans), please ping me if you need to talk to me
[03:13] <highvoltage> i wish i had games. i think i'll buy a console for myself for Christmas :)
[03:14] <highvoltage> pips1: great!
[03:14] <flint> highvoltage, games are the heroin of our world.
[03:14] <pips1> highvoltage, so in a way, I want to talk about features that enable more content ;-)
[03:15] <highvoltage> pips1: ok. can we do that tomorrow on this channel?
[03:15] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: they are my only true valuables i have next to my car
[03:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: heh. what car do you have?
[03:15] <ogra> sbalneav, das pongen :)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: a rotten old korean car
[03:15] <flint> jsgotangco, what kind of car you have?
[03:16] <jsgotangco> flint: kia picanto
[03:16] <pips1> highvoltage, tomorrow sounds fine, what time?
[03:16] <flint> jsgotangco, you mentioned a family, any (god forbid) kids?
[03:16] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey hey!
[03:16] <highvoltage> ah. i have a rotten old german car. it's a vw citi golf.
[03:16] <ogra> what can i do for you ?
[03:16] <sbalneav> It's like, what, 2 AM there?
[03:16] <jsgotangco> flint: my child is the center of the universe
[03:16] <flint> jsgotangco, kia gets good mileage...
[03:16] <ogra> sbalneav, 3pm
[03:16] <ogra> you pinged at 4:30am :)
[03:17] <sbalneav> heh
[03:17] <jsgotangco> flint: damn right it should its a 1.1l engine
[03:17] <flint> jsgotangco, in ritual I need to hope that this child looks like his mom :^)
[03:17] <sbalneav> Was wondering if we could set up some time say, tomorrow at maybe this time to give me a bzr walkthrough.
[03:17] <flint> jsgotangco, you are a luck man.
[03:17] <sbalneav> I'd do it now, but I've got a database mess to clean up here at work.
[03:18] <highvoltage> pips1: any time that would suite you, i should be here all day, and be able to give you attention almost any time
[03:18] <flint> sbalneav, the DC LOCO maniacs are very good at bzr training.  Try to get hold of them...
[03:18] <ogra> sbalneav, tomorrow this time is fine, we have dev status meeting at 16:00UTC so we have to be finished by then
[03:18] <sbalneav> A cheque run got messed up, and I've got 62 cheques to manually patch up.  That sounds fine.  That'd give us an hour? I think?
[03:19] <ogra> sbalneav, i have to shuffle around the ubuntu ltsp branches anyway, so we can work with them
[03:19] <ogra> sudo apt-get install gworldclock :)
[03:19] <flint> highvoltage, when you get that email, please shoot me a note in response saying you got it.
[03:19] <highvoltage> flint: will do
[03:20] <ogra> sbalneav, its now 13:19 UTC so there is pleanty of hours until 16:00 UTC
[03:20] <ogra> date -u is your friend for utc dates :)
[03:21] <pips1> highvoltage, ok, I'll speak to you tomorrow about website then, in the mean time, please have a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSiteFeatures
[03:21] <sbalneav> just got gworldclock.  handy.
[03:21] <sbalneav> brb, being work-pinged
[03:22] <flint> ogra, while i am in a whineing, we really need an analog clockface on gworld clock, or better yet a co-co analog!
[03:22] <flint> ogra,  I know I will get right on it...
[03:22] <ogra> flint, you mean a CIA headquaters setup ? :)
[03:23] <ogra> a row of analog clocks
[03:23] <ogra> ?
[03:24] <flint> ogra, that is a REALLY good idea.  Seriously.
[03:24] <ogra> haha
[03:24] <ogra> feel free, patches gratefully accepted :)
[03:26] <pips1> talking about clocks, I did a demo of edubuntu and the user launched a clock game in gcompris which has a really buggy behaviour :-(
[03:26] <ogra> pips1, bug it :)
[03:26] <flint> ogra, ollie, I am filling Jonathan's head with lies on another channel, but thanks for a good meeting.
[03:27] <ogra> and for quick stuff go to #gcompris :)
[03:27] <pips1> it tries to teach kids analog clocks, but it behaves like a (digitally) bugy one, what irony
[03:27] <pips1> ;-)
[03:28] <pips1> i guess it's teaching them a "real life" lesson about software there
[03:28] <pips1> ogra, sure
[03:29] <ogra> heh
[03:30] <ogra> file it in malone
[03:30] <pips1> ah
[03:30] <ogra> i'll forward
[03:30] <pips1> ok, better, since We're Sorry.
[03:30] <pips1> The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.
[03:30] <pips1> We will be back shortly
[03:30] <pips1> ;-)
[03:38] <pips1> ogra, I'm not actually sure if it is a bug or a feature (in gcompris)
[03:39] <pips1> ogra, do you have edubuntu running to have a quick look for yourself?
[03:39] <ogra> file it and find out :)
[03:39] <ogra> i dont have the edu apps installed on this machine
[03:39] <pips1> Go to 'Amusement activities > Learning Clock' (i.e. click on the 'propeller hat' and then click on the 'wrist watch').
[03:39] <pips1> oic
[03:41] <pips1> basically, you are supposed to set a given time. you can drag the 'clock hands', but unlike a real analogue wrist watch, the 'hour dial' flicks back an hour when you did a 360 degree dragging of the 'minute dial'...
[03:42] <pips1> does that sound like a feature or like a bug? anyone? :-)
[03:43] <pips1> ogra, there is no #gcompris on freenode...
[03:43] <ogra> hmm, i was there several times
[03:47] <pips1> hmm, the gcompris website isn't too helpful...
[03:51] <jsgotangco> ahh the mighty gcompris, the app that could take down xorg
[03:56] <ogra> even the source is nearly as big as xorg :)
[03:57] <pips1> hehe
[04:04] <pips1> I finished drafting that gcompris bug report, but I dare not submit it... the original programmer would hate me for the rest of my life! ;-D
[04:04] <pips1> Learning Clock: unlike a real analogue wrist watch, the 'hour dial' "jumps back" an hour when you dragged the 'minute dial' by 360 degrees... feature or bug?
[04:04] <pips1> In gcompris, go to 'Amusement activities > Learning Clock' (i.e. click on the 'propeller hat' and then click on the 'wrist watch').
[04:04] <pips1> As far as I understood, this activity is supposed to teach kids how to set the time on an analogue clock dial. However, unlike a real analogue wrist watch, the 'hour dial' "jumps back" an hour when you dragged the 'minute dial' by 360 degrees clockwise, and vice-versa, it "jumps forward" when dragging 360 degrees counter-clockwise ... is this a feature or bug?
[04:04] <pips1> Personally, I think it's quite ironic that this activity tries to teach kids analogue clocks by displaying buggy (digital) behaviour... But I guess it teaches kids some "real life" lesson about software bugs and warped minds of programmers. ;-)
[04:05] <pips1> .
[04:05] <pips1> maybe I should omit that last sentence.
[04:08] <pips1> oppressing silence weighs down heavily on pips1 until he is paper thin
[04:08] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/photos/UDS-Paris/P6180023.JPG.html
[04:08] <jsgotangco> hehe!
[04:08] <bddebian> Hello
[04:09] <pips1> jsgotangco, nice one :-)
[04:09] <jsgotangco> yeah at the tower heh
[04:09] <pips1> yeah, very cool
[04:11] <pips1> jsgotangco, do you think I should omit that thing about "warped minds of programmers" in my bug report?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> hmm yeah
[04:11] <jsgotangco> it can be offensive to some
[04:11] <pips1> hehe, yeah, I thinks so too
[04:11] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: very cool pic!
[04:11] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: har har har
[04:13] <mhz> hi all
[04:13] <mhz> jsgotangco: I have just read newsweek letter
[04:14] <pips1> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/51211
[04:14] <jsgotangco> mhz: well it was a bit late
[04:14] <pips1> ^^^ for the record
[04:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: how or where could I get the 'letter' in advance , so I can have time to translate it?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> mhz: from mgalvin
[04:16] <mhz> eeeek! he is on many channels!
[04:16] <mhz> :D
[04:16] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx
[04:17] <mhz> mgalvin: hi there
[04:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:30] <sbartleylinux> ogra: ping
[04:33] <mhz_offline> :)
[04:33] <mhz_offline> c ya
[05:27] <Reimu> what are the main differences between ubuntu and edubuntu
[05:28] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is a complete LTSP solution from the ground up
[05:29] <jsgotangco> but you have a choice to install edubuntu as a standalone workstation if you want to
[05:30] <DanielC> Reimu: Do you know what thin clients are?
[05:30] <Reimu> DanielC: no
[05:30] <DanielC> Because that's what Edubuntu is about...
[05:30] <DanielC> Ok, so LTSP won't make sense to you...
[05:31] <DanielC> Thin clients are very minimalistic computers.
[05:31] <DanielC> No hard disk.
[05:31] <Reimu> ok
[05:31] <DanielC> Usually a low-power processsor, little RAM.
[05:31] <DanielC> All the applications run from a server.
[05:31] <DanielC> All that the client does is draw the screen.
[05:31] <Reimu> so edubuntu supports that?
[05:31] <DanielC> That's why they are "thin"
[05:31] <DanielC> Yes.
[05:31] <DanielC> That's what Edubuntu is about.
[05:32] <DanielC> Thin clients are useful in schools.
[05:32] <Reimu> I see
[05:32] <Reimu> so its mainly for networks and stuff not one computer
[05:33] <DanielC> You can use it for just one computer.
[05:33] <DanielC> In that case, the main advantage is that it has educational games.
[05:33] <Reimu> ok, but you could install them from a package on ubuntu correct?
[05:34] <DanielC> Yes. And I think that package is called edubuntu-desktop
[05:35] <Reimu> XD so the games is a whole different desktop interface?
[05:35] <Reimu> thanks for the info, got to eat lunch
[05:35] <DanielC> Nah... it uses gnome.
[05:35] <DanielC> take care.
[05:36] <jsgotangco> yes its called a metapackage
[05:37] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:38] <DanielC> night
[05:55] <linux_user400354> i have windows shared folders on the network. what do i have to do to see them? i click on Places > Network Servers > Windows Network > workgroup > then I get a message saying the folder contents can not be displayed.
[06:04] <chris-t4> Is it the same workgroup on both machines?
[06:05] <chris-t4> This was my problem. I had to change the workgroup on the linux machine to match the windows workgroup name. After that it worked fine.
[06:44] <linux_user400354> does the dvd version of edubuntu come with more software?
[07:13] <DarkElf109> Hello there...does anyone know how to disable the hibernate button in the gnome shutdown dialog on client machines?
[07:17] <highvoltage> ogra: ^^^ should there even be a hibernate button on the thin client shutdown dialog?
[07:18] <DarkElf109> I'd think not...before I changed the command, it tried to hibernate the server
[07:19] <DarkElf109> Now, the button has about a 1 in 3 chance of locking the screen
[07:19] <DarkElf109> Which I still don't understand, really
[07:20] <highvoltage> that's strange.
[07:20] <DarkElf109> Actually, what would be really nice would be to bring back the shutdown and restart buttons, and remap them to some scripts I set up to shut down the clients through ltspinfo
[07:20] <DarkElf109> Which is insecure, I know, but all console access is disabled to clients
[08:16] <cbx33> Hiya peeps
[08:17] <cbx33> ogra: is the bzr branch for scp
[08:17] <cbx33> the current branch we are using?
[08:17] <Petaris> I installed edubuntu 6.06 but I didn't see the ltsp install option, did I miss something?
[08:17] <Petaris> Hi cbx33
[08:17] <cbx33> I was gonna download the source and familiarise myself
[08:17] <cbx33> Petaris: no
[08:17] <cbx33> in a default install the ltsp chrrot is installed
[08:17] <cbx33> check it
[08:17] <cbx33>  /opt/i386
[08:17] <Petaris> ok, then I should be able to boot a client
[08:18] <cbx33> see if /opt has any files in it
[08:18] <Petaris> hrm
[08:18] <Petaris> thats not right
[08:18] <Petaris> oh bugger
[08:18] <Petaris> It installed an amd64 chroot
[08:18] <Petaris> :/
[08:19] <Petaris> is that changeable
[08:19] <cbx33> so you have an amd64 server
[08:19] <cbx33> and i386 clients?
[08:19] <Petaris> yep
[08:20] <cbx33> do a man for ltsp-build-client
[08:20] <Petaris> ok
[08:20] <cbx33> and on the wiki there is details for multi arch I think
[08:20] <cbx33> I've never done it
[08:20] <cbx33> but ogra would know for sure
[08:25] <dan_young> Petaris: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[08:25] <Petaris> dan_young: Thanks
[08:52] <linux_user400354> does the dvd iso of edubuntu come with more software? what is the difference between it and the cd iso?
[10:35] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:08] <cbx33> evenin all
[11:08] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:20] <HedgeMage> hiya
[11:21] <bddebian> Hi HedgeMage
[11:29] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I'm still with the problem with backuppc that backs up from ubuntu clients but it doesn't from the edubuntu one. Could it depend on the fact that ssh has some custom config in order to work with ltsp?
[11:30] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, the only real customization in edubuntu are some gconf keys for artwork, else all packages are used as they come from ubuntu
[11:32] <KaiL> ..noch jemand wach?
[11:33] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, and in breezy? could I have some change that had been in breezy edubuntu?
[11:33] <KaiL> ops, english ;)
[11:33] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, nope it was the same in breezy ...
[11:34] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, ok, thank you!
[11:34] <KaiL> i486 Clients, 10MBIt-LAN - possible, or "forget it"? ;)
[11:34] <ogra> how many :)
[11:34] <dan_young> paolob-parroquia: have you tried su'ing to the backuppc user and ssh'ing to the edubuntu box?
[11:34] <ogra> i've run ltsp with two clients successfully with a server that only had a wireless interface
[11:35] <paolob-parroquia> dan_young, let me see.
[11:35] <ogra> (11M)
[11:35] <cbx33> ogra, I've read through your scp code
[11:35] <cbx33> from the bzr branch
[11:35] <KaiL> ogra, my Informations about that LAN are very old, but if ererything fails, there are over 20...
[11:35] <ogra> cbx33, the vnc stuff needs a lot of reworking ...
[11:36] <KaiL> and arround the same number of pentium 1
[11:36] <cbx33> uh huh
[11:36] <ogra> well, then you should at least have a 100Mbit network
[11:36] <paolob-parroquia> dan_young, all seems ok, from the backuppc user it ssh root@client without passowrd
[11:36] <cbx33> I'll hopefully start looking at joing in on that latter part of this week early next
[11:37] <KaiL> as that's some very old information, we should be able to set that both 1 generation up, so 20 pentium 1, everything else fast enough to work standalone
[11:38] <dan_young> paolob-parroquia: anything in XferLOG.bad?
[11:39] <paolob-parroquia> dan_young, no, I haven't a XferLOG.bad file for that client because it never ended the first backup
[12:06] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian
[12:06] <bddebian> Heh, delayed response? :-)
[12:09] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I found the trick with the backuppc and rsync problem: it was that it tried to rsync the /dev dir, and rsync went timeout
[12:09] <ogra> heh
[12:09] <ogra> see, its the same package :)


[18:43] <silverlion> hello news team: Would https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/526441914816811008 be something news worthy?


[01:02] <Cheri703> I don't think anyone has said anything in here all day...
[01:35] <canthus13> not true.  You just did... And so did I. :)
[01:37] <Cheri703> indeed
[03:23]  * BiosElement says something just to say something
[03:23]  * Cheri703 responds just to respond
[03:24] <BiosElement> Haha
[03:25]  * BiosElement has had a long day >.>
[03:26] <BiosElement> Who woulda thought forming a community council would require so much work! ;)
[03:32] <BiosElement> Hah ubuntu governance being a total mess to navigate even when you already know it. >.<
[03:35] <Unit193> Do you know who the three are?
[03:36] <Cheri703> I think I missed something while my internet crapped out
[03:36] <BiosElement> Yep, it's just a pain finding actual information about the processes. MoinMoin is really not ideal for organizing things >.>
[03:36] <BiosElement> Cheri703, Yeah -*- BiosElement has had a long day >.>
 Who woulda thought forming a community council would require so much work! ;)
[03:36] <Cheri703> ah
[03:38] <BiosElement> It's something of a pain I gotta say heh.
[03:38] <Cheri703> and you thought you wanted it :)
[03:38] <BiosElement> Getting things from "Well wouldn't that be nice" to actually written and codified along is difficult..
[03:38] <BiosElement> Oh I do want it, my community is tearing itself apart every time I have to deal with problems personally.
[03:39] <Cheri703> :/
[03:39] <paultag> heyya Cheri703
[03:39] <BiosElement> It's not really optional, I can be the BDFL and make the 'really' difficult decisions but if I have to sit around moderating and enforcing rules there's only so much people will put up with. >.>
[03:39] <Cheri703> hey paultag
[03:39] <BiosElement> Heya paultag
[03:40] <paultag> BiosElement: haha, wut?
[03:40] <BiosElement> paultag, Posting logs via pm so you're not confused. :P
[03:40] <paultag> :)
[03:43] <BiosElement> So yeah, yay for me getting to being the bad guy. >.>
[03:43] <paultag> :)
[03:47] <BiosElement> Never knew how lucky I was when working with ubuntu-related deals, that the groundwork was already lain. >.>
[04:23] <BiosElement> Wow...
[04:23] <BiosElement> I never ever thought I'd be writing a rules list such as "Don't be a troll"...I always thought it common sense
[04:51] <Unit193> Won't people troll regardless of a rule saying not to?
[04:53] <BiosElement> Sure, but then they'll claim there was no rule saying they can't and in a fragile community it's difficult to enforce without
[04:54] <Unit193> I don't want your job....
[04:54] <BiosElement> No, you really really don't. >.<
[04:55] <BiosElement> In my case its a tad worse because it involves bringing folks from the gaming community which tends to be somewhat more lax >.>
[04:56] <Unit193> What community are you working on anyway?
[04:56] <Cheri703> BiosElement: also include (in addition to no trolling) no harassing women
[04:56] <BiosElement> I'm the co-founder of CubeCreate, a game engine based off Cube2/Sauerbraten with a goal to create a new modern game engine/platform.
[04:57] <BiosElement> Cheri703, That 'should' be mixed in. I'm gonna swipe the ubuntu forums rules and trim them down some...btw has anyone SEEN the ubuntu forum rules? They're a mess...
[04:58] <BiosElement> Unit193, If you're curious, our still incomplete site is http://cubecreate.com/
[04:58] <Unit193> I'm there now...
[04:58] <BiosElement> Ahh cool ^_^
[04:59] <BiosElement> FYI I'm actually working on a real site design. :P It's just difficult going since i'm project manager/site designer/web developer/server admin currently >.>
[04:59] <Unit193> I would offer to help, but I don't think I can
[05:00] <BiosElement> If you'd like too, you're more then welcome. I'm sure I could find you something to work on if you wanted. ^_^ We're totally not lacking things that need done. :P
[05:01] <Unit193> Not a coder :(
[05:02] <BiosElement> We need more then just coders. >.>
[05:02] <BiosElement> In fact I'd say only about 20-25% of our existing community really codes.
[05:03] <BiosElement> There's always room for writers, site managers, mappers, concept artists, good opinions, level heads, community managers, etc. If you can think of it, we need it. ^_^
[05:05] <Unit193> What OS are you looking to test on?
[05:06] <BiosElement> CubeCreate is cross-platform. Our primary platforms are Windows, Linux, Mac and BSD.
[05:10] <BiosElement> Is it just me or is http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php?page=policy hard to read? >.>
[05:12] <Unit193> Other then being long?
[05:12] <Unit193> I like the Creative Commons style... short and to the point!
[05:15] <BiosElement> haha, way too long for that matter. No one will really read that
[19:33] <thafreak> I bought the last linux computer at the cleveland micro center
[19:33] <thafreak> They had a little atom deal running karmic
[19:33] <Cheri703> nice
[19:33] <thafreak> bought the floor model
[19:34] <thafreak> It was only $150 though...can't beat that
[19:34] <thafreak> The cases for atom boards are almost that much
[19:35] <thafreak> oh, and it runs maverick very well so far...even suspend/resume works nice
[19:36] <thafreak> Now, to format and encrypt my black friday portable hard drives :)
[19:38] <Cheri703> very nice
[19:39] <thafreak> Any of you grab any of the disks at target??
[19:40] <thafreak> $70 for 2 tb external disk, or 1 tb in the tiny portable version
[19:40] <Cheri703> dang, that's a good price! I didn't go out at all, I don't deal well with the crazies
[19:43] <thafreak> I went last year too, I got 1TB drive for $60...when I saw they had the same drives, only double the size this year...couldn't pass it up
[19:43] <thafreak> The crazies aren't as bad as the lack of sleep :)
[20:22] <canthus13> thafreak: Wow.
[20:22]  * canthus13 wonders what newegg is gonna have tomorrow.