[09:26] <ljdawson1> Morning all
[09:28] <ljdawson1> I noticed 15.04 is going live today
[09:28] <ljdawson1> Is the gnome release of 15.04 coming today too?
[09:37] <ahoneybun> ljdawson1: join #ubuntu-release-party :)
[09:42] <ljdawson1> ahoneybun: thanks, I'll head over there now!
[11:09] <JockeTF> Is it released yet?
[11:09] <JockeTF> Is it released yet?
[11:09] <JockeTF> Is it released yet?
[11:09] <JockeTF> :P
[14:44] <lindol> hi all :)
[14:59] <JockeTF> Hellopaca!
[14:59] <jaksi> hi
[14:59] <jaksi> now that ubuntu 15.04 is out, is there a plan to include gnome 3.16 in the gnome ppa?
[15:03] <JockeTF> jaksi: It's already in GNOME 5 staging as far as I know.
[15:03] <JockeTF> jaksi: It won't be in the stable PPA though.
[15:05] <JockeTF> The regular PPA is only for adding things that didn't make it into the current release. For example, if Ubuntu targets GNOME 3.14 but included Nautilus 3.12, then the stable PPA will contain Nautilus 3.14.
[15:05] <JockeTF> It will not include versions of GNOME that are newer than what Ubuntu is targeting though.
[15:05] <JockeTF> That's for staging (which may be very unstable).
[15:05] <jaksi> mhm, i see
[15:05] <jaksi> thanks for the heads up
[20:41] <ploctaux> Hello
[20:41] <ploctaux> I'm using Ubuntu Gnome for a while now
[20:41] <ploctaux> And I'd like to contribute
[20:41] <ploctaux> How can I get in touch with someone?
[21:25] <emacsen> Is there a timeline for Ubuntu Gnome 15.04?


[08:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:15] <ricktimmis> lordievader: Good Morning sir, how are you today ?
[08:16] <lordievader> Hey ricktimmis, doing good here. Coffee is brewing. How are you?
[08:20] <ricktimmis> Got my Coffee, and starting my day, all looking pretty good so far :-)
[08:28] <lordievader> :)
[12:10] <yossarianuk> upgraded to 15.10 last night - no major issues , the do-release-upgrade process bombed out at one point, but after removing a package (unsure which one as i'm at work now) I could carry on with 'apt-get -f install'
[12:10] <yossarianuk> from my very limited use of it no issues so far.
[12:32] <soee_> yossarianuk: good to hear ;)
[12:44] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[12:45] <soee_> hiho BluesKaj
[12:45] <BluesKaj> hey soee_
[12:56] <yossarianuk> i notice its using kernel 4.0.x
[12:56] <yossarianuk> is it going to use 4.1.x when released ?
[12:56] <yossarianuk> My benchmarks show 4.1 being a bit faster with IO read speed (ext4)
[12:57] <yossarianuk> in case anyone is interested ... http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1507214-BE-1507168BE35
[12:57] <yofel> 4.1 is in wily-proposed
[12:58] <murthy_> yossarianuk: are the phoronix guy?
[12:58] <yossarianuk> cool (note : kubuntu stacks up well BTW) - compared to opensuse/arch/debian.
[12:58] <yossarianuk> murthy_: not with you ? I am a phoronix user - not the developer.
[12:59] <murthy_> yossarianuk: ok
[12:59] <murthy_> yossarianuk: some of the kde and kubuntu devs dont like the benchmarks done by phoronix
[13:15] <lordievader> Is 4.1 going to be lts?
[13:43] <yossarianuk> murthy_: why not ?
[13:43] <yossarianuk> murthy_: I do not know of a better app/suite ....
[13:44] <yossarianuk> murthy_: I know you have to be careful that sometime games read the wrong screen resolution so run lower (than a compared system)
[13:45] <yossarianuk> However to fix that I use an xorg.conf (with nvidia), the screen size is always correct for the game when I do.
[13:46] <yossarianuk> so as long as you are sure all systems are running the game in the same resolution what it the problem?
[13:46] <murthy_> yossarianuk: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/about-compositors-and-game-rendering-performance/
[13:48] <murthy_> yossarianuk: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=110555
[13:52] <yossarianuk> I always enable 2 settings in kde/nvidia or games are 1/3 slower / unplayable
[13:53] <yossarianuk> 1) I enable the 'suspend desktop effects for full screen apps'
[13:53] <yossarianuk> 2) I disable Sync to vblank (I have to do this or many games have really laggy controls)
[13:53] <yossarianuk> As long as I do these things benchmarks beat windows in many games.
[13:54] <yossarianuk> (2) doesn't effect fps but makes games playable.
[13:55] <yossarianuk> in my experince KDE (with the suspend desktop effects for fullscreen apps enabled) is slightly faster than gnome3/cinnamon/unity
[13:55] <yossarianuk> KDE is my gaming (and everything) desktop
[14:00] <murthy_> yossarianuk: comparing the benchmarks of two different compositors is wrong first. Both offer different level of features and functionality
[14:06] <yossarianuk> murthy_: but surely comparing how a game performs under both compositors is a valid test?
[14:07] <yossarianuk> I used to not run gnome3 due to the fact you couldn't disable the compositor when it first came out
[14:07] <yossarianuk> now I don't run gnome3 as its a unusable mutant tablet interface,
[14:23] <murthy> yossarianuk: sorry I was having dinner
[14:24] <yossarianuk> np dude - just pointing out that how a game performs under different compostors is something many would be interested it...
[14:24] <yossarianuk> *in*
[14:24] <murthy> yossarianuk: the kwin developer thinks that the desktop is not designed for gaming
[14:25] <yossarianuk> well once you enable that setting it performs just as well as others (in fact better)
[14:25] <yossarianuk> with Nvidia at least
[14:27] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: just do alt+shift+f12 before running games or create a window specific rule to block compositing
[14:28] <murthy> yossarianuk: If i am not mistaken thats our kwin developer
[14:28] <yofel> it is ^^
[14:45] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: thanks Martin!
[14:46] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: enabling the 'suspend desktop effects for fullscreen apps' seems to work also (at least with plasma5)
[14:47] <yossarianuk> my point was that KDE (5) stacks up well against other desktops...
[14:47] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: I cannot recomend the feature, it still has the complete compositor up and running
[14:49] <yossarianuk> ok - well thank you - I shall compare benchamrks after disabling compositing ...
[14:50] <yossarianuk> im assuming this will not be an issue when we have Wayland ?
[14:50] <yossarianuk> (and wayland compatible games ?)
[16:42] <santa_> good evening doko, it seems we will need a fixed scim to build kdeplasma-addons: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/kdeplasma-addons_5.3.2-0ubuntu1+santa1.1_amd64.build
[16:42] <santa_> (I'm rebuilding plasma with gcc 5, status http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp/ubuntu-exp_status_plasma.html)
[16:43] <santa_> the other build failures are just symbols files, I will make patches soon
[16:49] <shadeslayer> can we even accept symbols file patches for gcc 5 yet
[16:49] <shadeslayer> when KCI is still building with 4
[16:50] <yofel> switch KCI to 5?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> disparity between vivid,wily archive builds then
[16:51] <shadeslayer> not to mention DCI as well
[16:51] <santa_> shadeslayer, yofel: my patches for frameworks work with gcc 4 anyway, status http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/kdenext_buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_kf5.html
[16:52] <yofel> well, we'll have to keep them somewhere, if KCI is a problem we can make another branch maybe
[16:53] <santa_> so yes, you can accept my patches, in fact it would be nice to get them in kubuntu_vivid_archive before the gcc switch
[16:53] <yofel> also, you *never* have a guarantee that the same symbol file will work for different releases. Actually, that almost never works as we have pretty much never releases wit the same gcc version
[16:53] <yofel> so I'm not sure why you're worrying about vivid when it comes to symbofiles
[16:54] <shadeslayer> I'm just saying, it feels switching at the moment is premature
[16:54] <shadeslayer> shouldn't we wait till August?
[16:54] <yofel> so... a week?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> yes, no, maybe, idk
[16:56]  * shadeslayer shuts up and goes back into making Qt5 crash
[16:56] <yofel> I'll re-read the mail again when my wily upgrade is done..
[16:59] <doko> santa_, scim ftbfs
[16:59] <doko> libtool: compile:  g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../.. -I../../../.. -I../../../.. -I../../../../extras/immodules/common -I../../..
[16:59] <doko> usr/include/qt4/QtCore -DQT_IMMODULE -DQT4 -g -O0 -g -O2 -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -c moc_scim-bridge
[16:59] <doko> -client-qt.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/im_scim_la-moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.o
[16:59] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:15:2: error: #error "This file was generated using the moc from 5.4.2. It"
[16:59] <doko>  #error "This file was generated using the moc from 5.4.2. It"
[16:59] <doko>   ^
[16:59] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:16:2: error: #error "cannot be used with the include files from this version of Qt."
[16:59] <mparillo> yofel: You wily upgrade is progessing? You cannot reproduce: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330
[16:59] <doko>  #error "cannot be used with the include files from this version of Qt."
[16:59] <doko>   ^
[16:59] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:17:2: error: #error "(The moc has changed too much.)"
[16:59] <doko>  #error "(The moc has changed too much.)"
[16:59] <doko>   ^
[16:59] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:22:5: error: 'QByteArrayData' does not name a type
[16:59] <doko>      QByteArrayData data[3];
[16:59] <doko>      ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:28:24: error: 'QByteArrayData' was not declared in this scope
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:00] <doko>          - idx * sizeof(QByteArrayData)) \
[17:00] <doko>                         ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:32:1: note: in expansion of macro 'QT_MOC_LITERAL'
[17:00] <doko>  QT_MOC_LITERAL(0, 0, 18), // "ScimBridgeClientQt"
[17:00] <doko>  ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:29:5: error: 'Q_STATIC_BYTE_ARRAY_DATA_HEADER_INITIALIZER_WITH_OFFSET' was not declared in this scope
[17:00] <doko>      )
[17:00] <doko>      ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:32:1: note: in expansion of macro 'QT_MOC_LITERAL'
[17:00] <doko>  QT_MOC_LITERAL(0, 0, 18), // "ScimBridgeClientQt"
[17:00] <doko>  ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:28:24: error: 'QByteArrayData' was not declared in this scope
[17:00] <doko>          - idx * sizeof(QByteArrayData)) \
[17:00] <doko>                         ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:33:1: note: in expansion of macro 'QT_MOC_LITERAL'
[17:00] <doko>  QT_MOC_LITERAL(1, 19, 14), // "handle_message"
[17:00] <doko>  ^
[17:00] <doko> moc_scim-bridge-client-qt.cpp:29:5: error: 'Q_STATIC_BYTE_ARRAY_DATA_HEADER_INITIALIZER_W
[17:00] <yofel> mparillo: I had one file conflict so far, but I'm not using the release upgrader
[17:00] <mparillo> Ahh, TY
[17:01] <yofel> ah, santa fixed that in git already
[17:01] <BluesKaj> doko,  have you heard of pastebin?
[17:02] <mitya57> doko, sounds like it tries to mix Qt4 and Qt5 code
[17:02] <doko> mitya57, yep, trying in a new chroot
[17:45] <doko> santa_, now built in the silo16 ppa
[19:08] <santa_> doko: thanks, right now my buildds are going to be busy rebuilding the rest of the plasma stuff, I will retry the build as soon as I can
[20:57] <fewcha> Hi everyone :)
[20:57] <fewcha> I just built Qt 5.5 from scratch in my Kubuntu 15.04
[20:57] <ari-tczew> hi fewcha
[20:57] <Riddell> fewcha: elite :)
[20:58] <fewcha> still qmake --version is showing me
[20:58] <fewcha> QMake version 2.01a
[20:58] <fewcha> Using Qt version 4.8.6 in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[20:58] <fewcha> any idea how to turn my system's qt into 5.5 as well?
[20:59] <fewcha> ari-tczew: Riddell: thanks :D
[20:59] <Riddell> clivejo: did you ever get anywhere with calligra?
[20:59] <Riddell> fewcha: install qt5-default
[20:59] <clivejo> Riddell: only fits of rage
[21:00] <Riddell> :(
[21:00] <Riddell> clivejo: lots of merges and the stuff sitter posted to the list if you want to try something else
[21:02] <fewcha> Riddell: so that will make it 5.4.1, right? How do I make it 5.5? :)
[21:02] <Riddell> run the qmake that was compiled with 5.5 I guess
[21:11] <clivejo> what stuff did sitter post?
[21:12] <fewcha> Riddell: Can you please tell me how to do that?
[21:13] <Riddell> clivejo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-July/009767.html
[21:13] <Riddell> fewcha: um dunno depends where it installed to
[21:14] <clivejo> oh Im not on that list
[21:15] <fewcha> Riddell: I cloned qt5 in my home, and ran make from there
[21:15] <fewcha> there as in ~/qt5
[21:15] <Riddell> clivejo: ah hah, time to join :)
[21:15] <fewcha> I was following https://wiki.qt.io/Building_Qt_5_from_Git
[21:15] <Riddell> fewcha: so it'll be somewhere in ~/qt5 I guess, find ~/qt5 -name qmake
[21:16] <fewcha> according to that, "Installation is only needed if you haven't used the configure options -developer-build or -prefix "%PWD%/qtbase". Otherwise you can just use Qt from the build directory."
[21:16] <fewcha> so I didn't do make install
[21:16] <fewcha> okay
[21:17] <fewcha> Riddell: https://paste.kde.org/psqwfimvg/qop0iu
[21:17] <Riddell> fewcha: so /home/sanjiban/qt5/qtbase/bin/qmake
[21:18] <fewcha> Riddell: okay so I just need to run that binary
[21:18] <Riddell> I guess so, I've done it myself
[21:20] <fewcha> Riddell: okay, so https://paste.kde.org/picb6dcpy/bvyo9h
[21:21] <Riddell> looks like it's working
[21:21] <fewcha> Riddell: Isn't it showing there that its usage is incorrect?
[21:23] <Riddell> it's saying you need to specify I guess, dunno I avoid using qmake as much as possible
[21:24] <fewcha> Riddell: okay, but do you remember that when you did it, what did you write there?
[21:24] <Riddell> if I run qmake in a directory with a .pro file it'll make a Makefile
[21:25] <Riddell> if I run it in a directory with just qt source files it'll write a .pro file
[21:26] <fewcha> Riddell: the directory from which I am running qmake, contains only binaries, and one qt.conf
[21:27] <fewcha> directory = ~/qt5/qtbase/bin
[21:28] <fewcha> Riddell: Running qmake says that it's usage should be like: /home/sanjiban/qt5/qtbase/bin/qmake [mode] [options] [files]
[21:29] <fewcha> Riddell: so do you remember that when you had run that qmake, what had you put in the mode, options, files?
[21:29] <fewcha> :)
[21:29] <Riddell> fewcha: it depends on what's in the directory you are running it
[21:29] <Riddell> what do you want it to do?
[21:30] <fewcha> I want it to make my system's qt with this qt built from source
[21:30] <fewcha> sorry
[21:31] <fewcha> I want it to replace my system's qt with this qt built from source
[21:32] <fewcha> Riddell: so that qmake --version shows me Qt 5.5 rather than Qt 5.4
[21:42] <sgclark> hi from Spain..
[21:42] <soee> hiho sgclark :)
[21:43] <soee> first time in Spain ?
[21:47] <sgclark> yes
[21:51] <clivejo> hot?
[21:57] <sgclark> nice breeze, not so bad. but have not been awake much yet haha. long flight(s)
[22:17] <santa_> sgclark: which city?
[22:17] <ahoneybun> santa_: should be la coruna
[22:18] <santa_> already? welcome then
[22:19] <sgclark> yeah already lol... guess we will explore some
[22:21] <santa_> thats good, I think this city is safe in general at night
[22:22] <santa_> (probably you should be more careful in other cities of the world XD)
[22:28] <sgclark> where I live is not safe in certain places at night heh. I will stick to day exploration till the crowds get here haha.
[22:29] <sgclark> gonna try and sleep some so my schedule is not to bonkers this trip. see you all in a few hours.
[22:34] <santa_> good night
[22:39] <shadeslayer> sgclark: is the weather soupy there too


[01:59] <CallingPanther> ugh
[01:59] <k1l> CallingPanther: hi
[01:59] <Logan_> Pici: Hey, are you around?
[02:00] <Pici> Logan_: perhaps
[02:00] <Logan_> I just became a MOTU/Ubuntu member/etc., so I was wondering if I could obtain a cloak.
[02:01] <Logan_> @ubuntu/member/wikimedia.logan would be preferable, I think.
[02:01] <Pici> I'd need to clear it with the other IRCCers, we don't often do dual cloaks
[02:01] <Pici> but congrats nonetheless ;)
[02:01] <Logan_> Haha, thanks. :)
[02:02] <Logan_> Do you need a Wikimedia GC to approve, or something?
[02:02] <Pici> We might
[02:03] <Logan_> Pici: Is that all you need from me? :P
[07:08] <CallingPanther> ..
[21:04] <Logan_> Pici: Any updates on that dual cloak?
[22:34] <danialbehzadi> Hey, anybody here?
[22:35] <Fuchs> a few people, hi :)
[22:35] <danialbehzadi> Fuchs: I wanted to ask some question about the ubuntu/member/nickname cloak
[22:36] <Fuchs> yes, what would you like to ask about it?
[22:36] <k1l> danialbehzadi: you need to be an ubuntu member to request one.
[22:36] <k1l> !membership | danialbehzadi
[22:37] <danialbehzadi> Fuchs: k1l: Yes, I am a member. I wanted to ask if I get one, it is always wear at my nick or I can put it on whenever I want to?
[22:37] <Fuchs> danialbehzadi: it will be there whenever you are identified with nickserv
[22:38] <Fuchs> cloaks, including project cloaks (as ubuntu/member is)  are not on/off switches
[22:38] <k1l> danialbehzadi: it gets packed to your freenode account. so when you log into you it you get the cloak
[22:38] <Fuchs> you are free to have a second, uncloaked account if you want (I don't see a usecase for that, but people have different needs)
[22:41] <danialbehzadi> Fuchs: k1l: OK, thanks. I want to request for one. This is my Launchpad profile: https://launchpad.net/~dani.behzi
[22:42] <Fuchs> danialbehzadi: right, I just need confirmation from one of the IRCC people
[22:42] <k1l> danialbehzadi: ok, then we need the IRCC to confirm. just hang in here untill someone takes a look into here
[22:52] <Fuchs> who all appear to be asleep. Bad IRCC ;p
[22:53] <danialbehzadi> :D
[22:54] <AlanBell> boo
[22:54] <Fuchs> it is an AlanBell, what a lovely sight :)
[22:54] <AlanBell> hi danialbehzadi, congratulations on becoming a member
[22:55] <AlanBell> can you sort out a cloak please Fuchs :) /ubuntu/member/danialbehzadi
[22:55] <Fuchs> Yes!
[22:55] <danialbehzadi> AlanBell: hi Alan, thanks ;)
[22:55] <AlanBell> woot \o/
[22:55] <Fuchs> probably at least :)
[22:55] <Fuchs> danialbehzadi: congratulations :)
[22:56] <AlanBell> excellent, thanks Fuchs
[22:56] <danialbehzadi> Fuchs: Thank you
[22:56] <Unit193> Congrats.
[22:56] <Fuchs> You're welcome  *takes back the bad IR CC and hands out cookies*
[22:57] <danialbehzadi> Ain't ubottu an IRC bot? "ubottu has left the room (Quit: Ping timeout: 246 seconds)"
[23:01] <AlanBell> they just took a break
[23:10] <Unit193> ubottu: ping
[23:27] <Logan_> Fuchs: Could you maybe help me out with getting a cloak?
[23:28] <Fuchs> Logan_: I am heading to bed, and the decision for a double cloak was not taken yet from the IRCC side as far as I have seen (might be wrong, then please poke a colleague)
[23:28] <Logan_> Okay, cool. Thanks. :)
[23:29] <Fuchs> we (staff) need an okay from both group contacts and we need to decide on it as well, can't say that we are very fond of them, but it is looked at on a per case base. But as long as I don't have the okay from them, I can't. Sorry.


[15:42] <m4v> jpds: hay alguna razón porque ubuntu-es no tiene un bot de factos? que pasó con botijo?
[15:43] <jpds> botijo went away ages ago.
[15:44] <LjL> no hay ubotu-fr?
[15:44] <[NikO]> it can do factoids
[15:44] <[NikO]> uBOTu-fr: list factoids
[15:45] <[NikO]> !learn test as this is a test
[15:45] <[NikO]> !test
[15:45] <[NikO]> uBOTu-fr: forget test
[15:45] <m4v> jpds: is botijo old base available somewhere?
[15:46] <LjL> [NikO]: peut on avoir un database dans une autre langue?
[15:46] <m4v> [NikO]: spanish friendly plugin prefered ;)
[15:46] <[NikO]> i can do alias
[15:46] <[NikO]> in fact there is just 2 action to translate, learn and forget
[15:47] <jpds> m4v: No.
[15:48] <m4v> in any case, getting a bot is not the issue, at k-es I already have a working spanish bot, that one can be used too. but I was wondering if there was a particular reason there wasn't a bot already in u-es, caused too much trouble?
[15:48] <[NikO]> did you talk with owner of #ubuntu-es ?
[15:49] <m4v> the owner i mia currently, i'm talking with their opers
[15:49] <m4v> is mia*
[15:55] <[NikO]> anyway it s just take 2 seconds to add translated alias for factoids.
[16:02] <m4v> k-es's bot is already translated and with 100+ spanish facts, that's why I said getting one isn't a issue, I was more wondering about botijo's whereabouts
[16:12] <[NikO]> ok, so i can lobotomize uBOTu-fr on #ubuntu-es
[16:12] <[NikO]> it will no responds to !action
[16:20] <m4v> [NikO]: thanks, i'll tell you if they do put a bot, we need to dig up the channel's owner first
[16:39] <[NikO]> ok