[06:24] <mapps> hi all;D
[06:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's monday, happiness is banned...
[06:32] <mapps> oh
[06:32] <mapps> im about to watch homeland
[06:32] <mapps> that makes me happy
[09:02] <_shaun_> hi guys i have a massive image that ubuntu insists on printing to one page, how do i print this image to multiple pages?
[09:13] <DJones> _shaun_: This looks like it might do what you need https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/photoprint/
[09:13] <DJones> Although not available for more recent releases
[09:16] <davmor2> _shaun_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18698/printing-a-poster-over-several-sheets-of-paper
[09:18] <davmor2> _shaun_: you basically need a tool to do it for you, the default print dialog is basic and designed on the whole for general printing needs
[09:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:33] <_shaun_> thanks guys id like to find something native to ubuntu but ill look at the tools use describe
[09:36] <foobarry> irssi has 2 windows open for a chan. if i /wc it closes both. any ideas?
[09:39] <pwaring> Perhaps /wc is aliases to /leave?
[09:45] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:09] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE crying my ribs hurt so much
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:15] <davmor2> I love my morning scan of the video scope on the ubuntu phone :)
[10:16]  * brobostigon wants to get his hands on the pebble compatibility.
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> i think i've watched less than 2-3 youtube videos on mobile devices as the speed is so sucky even on wifi.
[10:25] <daftykins> seriously? what kind of mobile devices?
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> symbian, iphones, android devices...
[10:26] <daftykins> strange! only time i've had issues was the other morning when the island wide tubes issue was going on
[10:47] <zmoylan-pi> nearly 11am and still dark enough to need a light on...
[10:48] <MooDoo> and you'll still see cars without lights on
[10:51] <foobarry> tarmac/sky coloured cars
[10:53] <daftykins> hmm, time to update myself on the dreaded MS Office costs o0
[10:54] <zmoylan-pi> kidney for the software and your sanity for the usage... :-)
[10:56] <MooDoo> daftykins: it's about £7 a month for home version, i'm guessing you're wanting business?
[10:56] <daftykins> not for me, but yeah pricing it up for someone
[10:56] <daftykins> i still don't think the subscription model makes sense for most
[10:57] <MooDoo> daftykins: just cancelled mine.
[10:59] <daftykins> for example £150 home and business 2016; vs. £7/user/month
[10:59] <daftykins> plus i bet that's inclusive of tax
[11:00] <daftykins> or you can get a code/download off amazon UK for £44.52 including tax
[11:01] <MooDoo> daftykins: ? office 2016?
[11:01] <daftykins> 365 personal for 1 user for 1 year, that is
[11:01] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Office-365-Personal-Subscription/dp/B00GLOMNNQ/
[11:01] <daftykins> so yeah, that'd give both 2013 and 2016 download access
[11:02] <MooDoo> yes just seen it
[11:02] <MooDoo> mine is the 5 user one, so all my family can use it
[11:02] <daftykins> yep
[11:02] <daftykins> this is for someone who i ordered this surface pro 4 for, who doesn't have a family yet :>
[11:03] <MooDoo> there is only one computer in our house at the moment too lol
[11:03] <daftykins> O_O
[11:04] <MooDoo> until we get our extension and I get an office back :)
[11:05] <daftykins> drat, the sun coming through the window is showing me just how dusty my screens are :(
[11:07] <daftykins> time to ban the cat from the room i think
[11:08] <zmoylan-pi> the battle begins... :-)
[11:34]  * awilkins has an Office365 sub for business reasons, his employer pays for it
[11:36] <MooDoo> awilkins: nice
[11:37] <awilkins> Yeah, the downside is people expect you to use it to make Word documents and write Excel macros, bah.
[11:38] <daftykins> ugh
[11:38] <MooDoo> tell me about it, although we're on an older version at work :)
[11:38] <awilkins> Nastiest VBA project I ever worked on was a modelling tool made of Visio, VB6 DLLs, and VBA.
[11:39] <awilkins> The main developer had the lovely habit of putting "On Error Resume Next" at the top of every routine
[11:40] <awilkins> Which meant that it just silently swallowed all errors and careened onward not giving a whit
[11:40]  * awilkins ripped out all that and put in proper stack-tracing error handling
[11:40] <MooDoo> I'm just getting my head around progress abl at the moment :D
[11:40] <awilkins> Doesn't help that some of the stock VBA classes need errors to work with them
[11:40] <awilkins> Like VBA.Collection
[11:41] <awilkins> Which has no .Exists() method
[11:41] <awilkins> You just call .Item(thing) and catch the error that it throws when it doesn't have .Item(thing)
[11:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: a song to help you write letters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrIqSlt9PXg
[14:06] <Myrtti> is it just me, or does candyhero.com not work?
[14:07] <ManniQuin> you
[14:08] <ManniQuin> omg!! they do jazzies
[14:08] <Myrtti> https://candyhero.com/fazer-marianne-chocolate-filled-mints ;____;
[14:08] <Myrtti> nuuuuuuuuu Out of stoooockkkk https://candyhero.com/fazer-wiener-nougat-210g
[14:09] <ManniQuin> yeah choco jazzles are always out of stock!
[14:10] <ManniQuin> is it a uk based site? where is all the sweets coming from?
[14:10] <ManniQuin> are*
[14:11] <ManniQuin> ahh they have shops in Leeds, Bradford and york..hmm never heard of them before
[14:28] <davmor2> Myrtti: candygram for mongo, candygram for mongo....works here :)
[14:29] <diddledan_> mongo like candy
[14:30] <davmor2> mongo only pawn in game of life
[14:39] <awilkins> Mongo is web scale
[14:40] <awilkins> But not as fast as /dev/null, him told
[14:41] <daftykins> those statements are made all the more apt by the existence of a friends dog, named Mongo
[14:52] <SuperMatt> I don't know what webscale is supposed to mean :'(
[14:53] <daftykins> i think it involves spiders
[14:53] <diddledan_> SuperMatt: it means that it can do something. on a machine.
[14:53] <diddledan_> I've got a web scale raspberry pi
[14:53] <pwaring> It will stay up if you get slashdotted
[14:53] <diddledan_> it's a model B (first gen)
[14:54] <pwaring> Or whatever the hip version of slashdot is nowadays
[14:54] <diddledan_> pwaring: surely that would be "slashdot proof"
[14:55] <diddledan_> web scale as a term says nothing about slashdot
[14:55] <diddledan_> it's like leveraging. just a marketing term that managers think they understand but actually means nothing
[14:56] <diddledan_> and synergies
[14:56] <diddledan_> "product X leverages it's synergies to guarantee web scale"
[14:56] <awilkins> Damn, yours too?
[14:57]  * awilkins gets on to marketing to write some new copy
[14:57] <diddledan_> marketing is effectively buzzword bingo
[14:57] <awilkins> I thought we had a USP!
[14:57] <diddledan_> omg, I want a USP!
[14:58] <diddledan_> our KPIs are good this month I hear
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> careful now, my bollockometer just went to 10
[15:00] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: ours goes up to 11
[15:00] <diddledan_> it's 1 faster
[15:00] <pwaring> diddledan_: I hope you put in 110% to meet your KPIs
[15:01] <diddledan_> ofc
[15:01] <diddledan_> I always put in 110%
[15:01] <diddledan_> I feel anything less than 110% isn't worth trying
[15:01] <zmoylan-pi> except on feb 29 when you put in an extra 10%
[15:01] <pwaring> This reminds of the laughs we used to have reading out loud and 'translating' memos from University manglement
[15:02] <diddledan_> manglement :-p
[15:02] <pwaring> Well they certainly don't manage
[15:03] <daftykins> :D
[17:04] <diddledan_> hmm, I appear to be unable to get to wordpress.tv
[17:09] <daftykins> ok here, sir
[17:11] <diddledan_> aha, there we go
[17:43] <davmor2> diddledan_: I see you misplet KIPS earlier but don't worry we knew what you meant ;)
[18:07] <diddledan_> KIPS?
[18:07] <diddledan_> KPIs as in plural of KPI.
[18:54] <davmor2> diddledan_: you can't fool me, you misspelt Kips as in naps you are up to 110% kips I can thoroughly believe ;)
[19:22] <knightwise> Evening guys
[19:22] <daftykins> o/
[21:09] <ali1234> hmm... what happened to optical disc support in linux?
[21:09] <ali1234> i haven't used it in years... now i try and it's all over the place
[21:09] <ali1234> disc doesn't auto mount when you put it in
[21:10] <ali1234> then i mounted it manually only to find the mount point completely empty
[21:10] <ali1234> then when i tried to unmount it it said it wasn't mounted
[21:10] <ali1234> then it refused to mount it again because it's already mounted
[21:10] <ali1234> so i tried to dd the disc to an iso and mount that
[21:10] <ali1234> but now it think every disc i put in is the exact same size
[21:25] <diddledan_> works fine afaict
[21:26] <diddledan_> ubuntu mounts optical discs under /media
[21:27] <diddledan_> /media/<username>/<volume name> I believe


[14:03] <ahoneybun> mhall119, I'm looking on LP where I can file a bug or two against uReddit
[14:03] <ahoneybun> got it
[17:43] <ahoneybun> oh damn
[17:43] <ahoneybun> mhall119: we need to update the url on the topic in here
[17:44] <ahoneybun> meetup.com/ubuntufl
[18:07] <roaksoax> ahoneybun: tomorrow another ubuntu hour ?
[18:08] <ahoneybun> yes roaksoax http://www.meetup.com/ubuntufl/events/230531222/
[18:08] <roaksoax> ahoneybun: i'll try to make it then
[18:09] <ahoneybun> awesomeness!
[23:21] <ahoneybun> mhall119: so I do have a .pot file
[23:21] <ahoneybun> not sure how those work


[16:18] <Cptn_Sandwich> hi, does anyone here own an akai sampler? i wrote a python program to extend its functionality
[16:18] <Cptn_Sandwich> WM
[20:36] <holstein> Cptn_Sandwich: i wish i had one :)


[01:09] <rww> Hola. ConcreteRose has been in and out of #ubuntu a couple of times over the last hour spouting gibberish. Might be worth keeping an eye out for him.
[01:38] <elky> funkyHat, the content is touchy on more than just the "mocking kiddie prons" level. what they describe is being genuinely proposed in places. Here in .au for example
[01:40] <IdleOne> funkyHat: child porn is not something to be joked about. imho
[01:40] <IdleOne> clean content or not
[01:40] <funkyHat> IdleOne: that wasn't the subject of the joke, but I agree
[01:40] <elky> IdleOne, you need to watch the vid to understand
[01:41] <IdleOne> link me in private please. we don't need it logged
[01:41] <IdleOne> thank you
[01:43]  * funkyHat facepalms
[01:44] <txwikinger> nhandler: how do I get to be OP in ##fix_your_connection ?
[01:45] <IdleOne> funkyHat: you should be face palming lol
[01:45]  * funkyHat stabs putty repeatedly
[01:45] <IdleOne> umm well the site/video itself is not bad in any way except for the filtering and blocking websites thing that I don't agree with
[01:46] <IdleOne> I think we need more education and less policing
[01:46] <IdleOne> just my 2.5 cents
[01:47] <funkyHat> IdleOne: it's a spoof
[01:47] <elky> IdleOne, ok, so in places where these blocking lists are being proposed, the response to criticism from the powerhungry pollies trying to set them up is "You are a supporter of kiddie prons"
[01:48] <IdleOne> elky: well that is a stretch of logic
[01:48] <IdleOne> heh
[01:48] <IdleOne> but yeah of course anytime someone disagrees they are going to go to extremes
[01:49] <funkyHat> Yeah, I think I should have said something at the time
[01:49] <funkyHat> (and not pasted it all over the channel just now -_-)
[01:50] <IdleOne> I don't think the Gov in Canada should of raised registration fees on motorcyles, that means I support biker gangs!
[01:50] <funkyHat> irssi normally questions me if I accidentally paste a whole load of crap :(
[01:50] <IdleOne> funkyHat: fail for rellying on app to save you :P
[01:51] <funkyHat> IdleOne: I wasn't :( I don't normally use putty
[01:51] <funkyHat> Accidentally highlighted and it has weird mouse button actions
[01:51] <IdleOne> ehh it happens
[01:51] <funkyHat> I've changed them now
[01:52] <IdleOne> I did something similar with a convo from #ubuntu-women (not logged) to #ubuntu-women-project (logged) :(
[01:53] <funkyHat> oops
[01:53] <IdleOne> yeah
[01:53] <IdleOne> ohh with sound the video makes more sense
[01:54] <IdleOne> I understand the spoof now
[02:00] <IdleOne> not sure about ConcreteRose and if they are a troll
[02:00] <IdleOne> but I think so
[02:02] <IdleOne> can someone keep an eye on ConcreteRose. I need to run out to the store
[02:03] <txwikinger> IdleOne: I can.. but I am not an op in the channel
[02:04] <elky> self solved
[02:04] <IdleOne> ok they are gone but will probably be back
[02:04] <IdleOne> be back soon
[02:04] <txwikinger> :)
[02:08] <nhandler> txwikinger: Become freenode staff ;)
[02:08] <txwikinger> nhandler: :)
[02:08] <txwikinger> ok one step after the other :)
[02:08] <txwikinger> I don't need it anyway... the docu on freenode is false
[02:11] <nhandler> ???
[02:19] <txwikinger> nhandler: it says you can only ban-forward if you are op in the channel to be forwarded to
[02:19] <nhandler> txwikinger: ##fix_your_connection has channel mode +F
[02:19] <txwikinger> Ah
[02:19] <txwikinger> how can you see that?
[02:20] <nhandler> /mode ##fix_your_connection
[02:30] <dhanesh> bazhang i was banned from #ubuntu why
[02:31] <dhanesh> i want to discuss some problems
[02:32] <IdleOne> could of waited more then 15 seconds
[02:32] <nhandler> Yep
[02:33] <txwikinger> not important enough :)
[02:34] <IdleOne> banned for ban evading
[02:35] <bazhang> actually for spoofing two other users and using some bot-like repeater script
[02:35] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1 and greekphreak
[02:36] <bazhang> magrath, dhanesh hi
[02:37] <magrath> i was banned from ubuntu why
[02:37] <bazhang> for spoofing two other users, and using some kind of repeat script
[02:37] <IdleOne> ban evading also
[02:38] <bazhang> then you ban evaded at least a couple of times magrath
[02:38] <magrath> no no i didnt remember please retake me iam sorry
[02:38] <bazhang> magrath, sure you did, there are logs of it
[02:39] <magrath> because nobody is answering my question thats why
[02:39] <bazhang> !coc | magrath read this please
[02:39] <bazhang> !guidelines | magrath read this too, please
[02:39] <magrath> oh i see
[02:40] <bazhang> magrath, please read both of those links, in their entirety
[02:40] <magrath> yes i read
[02:40] <magrath> i know that please retake me
[02:40] <bazhang> magrath, take your time, click the links and read them please
[02:40] <magrath> iam sorry please
[02:41] <bazhang> magrath, that's fine, we will wait for you to read them
[02:42] <bazhang> ugh
[02:42] <txwikinger> that sounded like my son :)
[02:43] <IdleOne> guess we continue to ban until he figures out how to renew ip
[02:43] <IdleOne> ?
[02:43] <txwikinger> Don't give them ideas :)
[02:50] <IdleOne> sowwy
[02:50]  * IdleOne types /clear
[02:50] <IdleOne> there it is gone :P
[03:00] <txwikinger> what is gone? :p
[03:27] <IdleOne> Pici: guess HE understood lol
[03:29] <Pici> !ping
[05:02] <mneptok> IdleOne: did you just use "lol" in -ops?
[05:02]  * mneptok sighs
[05:02] <IdleOne> just now?
[05:02] <mneptok> 20:27 <+IdleOne> Pici: guess HE understood lol
[05:02] <IdleOne> oh yeah but I didn't use just lol
[05:03]  * IdleOne curtails his use of lol
[05:03] <mneptok> IMO, using "lol" and "roflmao" and such in -ops is like farting in church
[05:03] <mneptok> ;)
[05:03] <IdleOne> funny!
[05:04] <IdleOne> lots of times it's the preist himself
[05:04]  * mneptok is teasing. well ... kinda.
[05:04] <IdleOne>  priest
[05:06] <pleia2> mneptok: lol
[05:06] <pleia2> (just sayin')
[05:07] <IdleOne> thank you pleia2
[05:07] <IdleOne> U rock!
[05:07] <IdleOne> hah
[05:07] <IdleOne> see what I did there mneptok
[05:10] <mneptok> hcilshitjf
[05:10] <elky> exceptions permitted for mocking lollersk8z and roflcopters?
[05:10] <mneptok> (holy crap i'm laughing so hard i totally just farted)
[05:11] <elky> um ah, you swore
[05:12] <IdleOne> that has to be just as bad as using lol
[05:12] <IdleOne> actually twice
[05:12] <IdleOne> heh
[05:13] <IdleOne> hcilshitjf
[05:20] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ7QmLd2eVg
[05:21] <mneptok> my colleague an i try to work the "ITJF" acronym into slides at conferences :)
[05:21] <mneptok> *and
[05:22] <elky> if you have to try, then you're choosing the wrong topics :P
[05:23] <elky> just pick a topic that lets you depict unruly users or something.
[05:24] <mneptok> the trick is to incorporate it meaningfully into the actual topic
[05:25] <mneptok> * Immediate drop-in replacement for MySQL
[05:25] <mneptok> * Thread pools added in MariaDB 5.1
[05:25] <mneptok> * Join selects supported in 5.2
[05:26] <mneptok> * Free Software, GPLv2
[05:26] <mneptok> ;)
[05:26] <elky> I'm pretty sure I could get it in any of those topics.
[05:26] <mneptok> look at the bullet points. ;)
[05:27] <elky> ah, heh
[05:27] <elky> you're going way too subtle
[05:36] <mneptok> OK, off to bed, then flying tomorrow for 10 days in the Dominican Republic. i'll be (mostly) unavailable.
[05:37] <mneptok> enjoy (ahem) release day
[05:37] <mneptok> :/
[05:48] <IdleOne> mneptok: have a good trip
[07:38] <Tm_T> K'day
[12:23] <elky> ooh, it looks like google fixed their apt repo. it doesn't take half a day to get headers anymore
[12:25] <funkyHat> Giving google root access on my box is something I'm just not quite comfortable enough with
[12:27] <Mamarok> root access? I don't think you give it root access by dowloading stuff...
[12:27] <Mamarok> the traffic is in one direction only
[12:27] <funkyHat> Mamarok: deb packages can run stuff as root during installation
[12:29] <Mamarok> well, then only download the stuff and install offline
[12:30] <persia> Rather, packages *do* run stuff as root during installtion.  It's not just "can"
[12:31] <funkyHat> persia: no, it is *can*. dpkg runs as root, but packages can also provde preinst and postinst scripts if they need to
[12:31] <persia> Mamarok: How does that help?  To give an extreme example, consider that I package a forkbomb, and you download forkbomb.deb, and then disconnect, and then install, and your system goes down.
[12:31] <funkyHat> If they aren't there the package contents are just extracted to the filesystem
[12:31] <persia> funkyHat: It's a very rare package that has no maintainer scripts these days, due to wide adoption of debhelper.
[12:32] <persia> But yeah, there are exceptions.
[12:32] <Mamarok> persia: well, don't use sources you don't trust then
[12:32] <persia> Mamarok: I believe that was the original point :)
[12:32] <funkyHat> Mamarok: which was the point I was making :)
[12:34] <funkyHat> Am I right in thinking the deb for chrome that you download actually adds itself to your sources list too?
[12:35] <funkyHat> I can understand the reason to do that from a usability perspective, but it still seems intrusive
[12:40] <Mamarok> well, I would use the Chromium daily PPA instead, to start with, that gets you code from Launchpad only, and I hope the PPA maintainer knows what s/he is doing
[12:41] <funkyHat> Yes that's what I use
[15:11] <h00k> mornin'
[15:11] <IdleOne> morning h00k
[16:26] <marienz> Hi! a3li just spotted http:/ircanswers.com/, which is (at least partially) logging #ubuntu. Is this a service you opted in to?
[16:33] <IdleOne> marienz: not that I know of
[16:33] <marienz> IdleOne: that's what I thought. We'll probably be klining it in the near future.
[16:34] <IdleOne> but #ubuntu is publicly logged so I don't see any harm
[16:34] <IdleOne> marienz: might want to ask a IRCC member
[16:34] <IdleOne> Pici: ^^^
[16:35] <marienz> it's logging a little more than just #ubuntu, it's not obviously identifiable as a logbot, and I don't think it asked for permission in any of the channels it logs.
[16:36] <IdleOne> freenode afaik is free to allow access to who/what it choses :)
[16:36] <IdleOne> so I guess the final decision lies and you and Staff
[16:36] <jussi> marienz: thanks for the heads up, we will have a look into it.
[16:36] <IdleOne> s/and/on
[16:40] <jussi> marienz: and, no, we havent opted into anything except our own and  irseek iirc.
[16:40] <jussi> Mind, the very fact that those are public, makes it somewhat a moot point, as they could just pull from said pulic logs.
[17:17] <marienz> sure, but I still would've liked them to ask for permission before putting that bot in here
[17:17] <IdleOne> this channel was also logged?
[17:18] <marienz> unless your guidelines mention other logbots are welcome (I didn't check)
[17:18] <IdleOne> then it was surely not approved
[17:18] <marienz> it was logging about 36 channels
[17:18] <marienz> err, no, not #ubuntu-ops :)
[17:19]  * marienz is confusing
[17:19] <IdleOne> Well jussi is on the job now. I am sure he will get back to you with info asap
[17:20] <marienz> I've klined the bot and emailed them, asking them to make it easier to identify as a logbot and to check if it's welcome in the channels it logs.
[17:21] <IdleOne> marienz: take a look at nestea while you are here
[17:21] <IdleOne> oh never mind
[17:51] <jussi> marienz: if its is truly a l log bot, then we are op out of it.
[17:51] <jussi> marienz: what was the bots name?
[17:54] <marienz> jussi: emptyness47<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [K-Lined]
[17:55] <marienz> that resolves to the same ip address ircanswers.com resolves to
[17:55] <jussi> marienz: ahh, excellent. thanks a lot.
[17:56] <marienz> we'll try to keep it klined until it changes its nick to be easier identifiable and its owner confirms with channel ops that it's welcome
[18:00] <jussi> marienz: ok. please let me know of any updates.
[18:01] <marienz> will do
[18:01] <marienz> jussi: #gentoo emailed them to get their content removed from the site, and that was responded to quickly. So if you want the existing content gone you could try that.
[18:01] <marienz> (he hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I mailed them a while after they did)
[18:03] <jussi> marienz: Ill talk about it with the rest of the irc council.
[18:04] <marienz> we may end up requesting they do that for everything they've logged that isn't ok'd.
[18:04] <jussi> marienz: yeah, that might be nice.
[18:19] <guntbert> somehow I messed my editing proposal up
[18:19] <IdleOne> guntbert: re-edit :)
[18:19] <IdleOne> btw gksudo for GUI
[18:20] <guntbert> I wanted to add one sentence to !sudo -(in this case really only sudo :-)) -- best to give it the complete factoid then?
[18:21] <IdleOne> guntbert: sorry what?
[18:22] <guntbert> IdleOne: see above please - what I suggest is addition of the sentence regarding fixsudo
[18:22] <guntbert> sudo
[18:22] <guntbert> !sudo
[18:23] <IdleOne> guntbert: yes I see. it will have to be approved, not sure I can yet or how to
[18:23] <guntbert> IdleOne: no reason to hurry :-) I only wanted to make sure my proposal is understandable
[18:23] <IdleOne> it is
[18:24] <guntbert> ok - see you :-)
[18:24] <IdleOne> later
[18:25] <topyli> IdleOne, bot stuff does not follow operator privileges, it's a separate thing
[18:25] <topyli> we just discussed this with the council, it's a bit complicated :)
[18:28] <IdleOne> topyli: thanks for the info :)
[18:28] <topyli> maybe one day we'll learn to design things from the beginning so that they integrate well :)
[18:28] <IdleOne> topyli: well the edit gets a +1 from me. well written and easy to understand
[18:28] <IdleOne> I mean the link it leads to
[18:28] <topyli> yeah
[18:29] <IdleOne> topyli: good design from the start is something that would make us obsolete
[18:30] <topyli> woohoo! design ftw
[19:12] <jussi> nah, sorry, no way design wil ever replace topyli... or mneptok :P
[19:12] <IdleOne> hehe
[19:12] <IdleOne> ok, the rest of us non perfect beings
[19:13] <topyli> that's a terrible, terrible thought
[19:14] <IdleOne> what is?
[19:14] <topyli> no rest for mneptok, no matter the design :(
[19:14] <IdleOne> that we are not perfect or that you are?
[19:16] <topyli> btw, nefarious is not taking pm very seriously. i have now unmuted him on -ot after a fair warning
[19:17] <IdleOne> topyli: he will be calm for a few minutes until he says an opportunity to break rules again
[19:17] <topyli> then it's time to remove. no more warnings
[19:18] <IdleOne> I asked two times nicely to stop the drug talk
[19:19] <IdleOne> topyli: can you see why Tarantulafudge can't join -offtopic
[19:19] <topyli> @bansearch Tarantulafudge
[19:19] <topyli> grr
[19:20] <Tarantulafudge> grr?
[19:21] <IdleOne> no bans found
[19:21] <IdleOne> what client are you using?
[19:21] <Tarantulafudge> Java Chat Applet @ java.freenode.net
[19:21] <topyli> Tarantulafudge, that grr is not related to you :)
[19:21] <IdleOne> you aren't getting any server notices ?
[19:21] <Tarantulafudge> not a peep
[19:22] <Tarantulafudge> though I can move in and out of other channels without problems
[19:22] <IdleOne> so you issue /join #ubuntu-offtopic and nothing happens?
[19:22] <Tarantulafudge> essentially
[19:22] <IdleOne> got me dude/ette
[19:23] <Tarantulafudge> strange
[19:23] <IdleOne> you aren't banned from what i can see. try a different client perhaps
[19:23] <Tarantulafudge> BRB
[19:25] <Tarantulafudge> haha should have tried this first, thanks
[19:26] <IdleOne> so it was client related?
[19:27] <IdleOne> glad you figured it out.
[19:27] <IdleOne> now if I can ask you not to idle here :)
[19:29] <IdleOne> would be nice if ubottu returned the comment on a ban when doing @bansearch
[19:29] <IdleOne> if there is one
[19:29] <topyli> for the record, nefarious is not being nice to teh topyli in pm :(
[19:30]  * h00k notes this
[19:30] <IdleOne> topyli: figured as much
[19:30] <topyli> he might appear here, i redirected
[19:30] <IdleOne> that is why I mentioned the comment thing
[19:48] <guntbert> ACKT1C seems to be ban evading in #ubuntu
[19:48] <IdleOne> nick?
[19:49] <IdleOne> same nick
[19:49] <IdleOne> nm
[19:49] <guntbert> IdleOne: ACKT1C   (banned by flannel, similar nick)
[19:50] <guntbert> Wed Apr 14 06:58:52<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Flannel!~flannel@ubuntu/member/flannel
[19:50] <h00k> guntbert: yes, we have te logs
[19:51] <guntbert> h00k: ok - it was because IdleOne asked
[19:51] <h00k> guntbert: It's alright :)
[19:52] <guntbert> h00k: I'll be off - and thank you all for your effort and suport
[19:52] <h00k> guntbert: thanks for letting us know
[19:52] <IdleOne> thanks guntbert
[19:52] <guntbert> h00k: IdleOne :)
[21:23] <IdleOne> marienz: [sheats]<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #ubuntu-irc
[21:24] <marienz> IdleOne: that's an identified account. I don't think it is what you think it is, unless I missed something earlier.
[21:25] <IdleOne> marienz:
[21:25] <IdleOne> [16:12:57] <sheats> Hi!   I have a little project I've been working on: http://ircanswers.com/  I have been logging content in #ubuntu for a month or so http://ircanswers.com/ubuntu/ but just realized today that I need to get permission to do so first.
[21:25] <IdleOne> [16:13:07] <sheats> Who can I contact to ask permission?
[21:25] <marienz> ahh
[21:25] <marienz> sorry, got two things mixed up
[21:25] <IdleOne> no problem
[21:26] <IdleOne> he seems to be trying to go the right route now
[23:44] <jpds> @btlogin
[23:44] <jpds> @login
[23:44] <jpds> @btlogin
[23:44] <jpds> Stupid bot.
[23:47] <jpds> ikonia: Brimstones aka baxxor in #ubuntu-devel is calling you "some dick".
[23:47] <jpds> ikonia: ...and he's ban evaded by changing IP in #ubuntu.


[21:14] <sakrecoer[bpist]> alias of the century here in fraglerock: `alias supgrade='sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo snap refresh'`
[21:14] <sakrecoer[bpist]> can't believe i never thought of it before :D
[21:15] <sakrecoer[bpist]> How's the donation campaign going? Boosted wherever i could. Holding my 8 thumbs for good returns!
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer[bpist]: Mind= blown
[22:01] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer[bpist]: It's going good. Raised quite a bit of funds.
[22:04] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer[bpist]: Just keeping our hopes for more. Desperately needed. :(


[02:09] <MarioMeyer> Seveas > on?
[03:26] <desrt> is it too late? :)
[05:27] <whitesoft> Hello
[05:27] <whitesoft> I'm RolandoBlanco
[05:28] <whitesoft> I did can't sombody know what happend:
[05:28] <whitesoft> ?
[08:31] <MarioMeyer> heya Seveas
[08:31] <Seveas> oi
[08:31] <MarioMeyer> posso pvt?
[08:31] <Seveas> can you repeat that in english?
[08:31] <MarioMeyer> can i pvt u?
[08:31] <MarioMeyer> :P
[08:32] <Seveas> sure
[08:32] <MarioMeyer> u said "oi", i tought u knew portuguese :P
[08:32] <Seveas> nope, not a word ;)
[08:32] <mdke> sure it's a word!
[08:33] <mdke> means "hello, how are you?"
[08:33] <MarioMeyer> :P


[00:06] <cnd> bjf:     from lpltk.service                   import LaunchpadService
[00:06] <cnd> ImportError: No module named service
[00:06] <cnd> any ideas?
[00:07] <bjf> cnd, yes, you want "from lpltk.LaunchpadService import LaunchpadService"
[00:07] <cnd> ok
[00:27] <cnd> bjf, I'm getting really antsy cause I can't figure this out :)
[00:27] <cnd> I see setters in lpltk
[00:27] <cnd> but not everything I need has one
[00:27] <cnd> so I looked at the setter code and I see things being set and a function called lp_save() being called
[00:27] <cnd> but I can't find where lp_save is defined
[00:27] <bjf> cnd, that could be the case, it's mostly implemented what we've wanted for working on bugs
[00:28] <cnd> in lpltk and python-launchpadlib
[00:28] <bjf> cnd, ok, one sec
[00:29] <cnd> in fact, the whole launchpadlib source code doesn't make sense to me :)
[00:30] <bjf> cnd, if you look at the "status" setter for a BugTask, it is calling self.lp_bug_task.lp_save()  that lp_save() is part of the lp api, not the lpltk, it is using the raw LP object
[00:30] <cnd> yeah, and that raw LP object is from launchpadlib I assume?
[00:30] <bjf> cnd, yes
[00:31] <cnd> so I went over to launchpadlib to see if I could find out where lp_save is and what else I can set
[00:31] <cnd> but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me
[00:31] <bjf> cnd, not everything is documented
[00:31] <bjf> cnd, even for the launchpad library
[00:31] <cnd> yeah
[00:33] <cnd> ok, I might be starting to understand it
[00:33] <cnd> it's just heavily abstracted
[00:34] <jk-> ... and heavily dynamic
[00:35] <jk-> cnd: `print bug.lp_attributes` is handy
[00:35] <cnd> ok
[00:36] <bjf> jk-, are you using the lpltk or the straight lp api?
[00:37] <jk-> or <any lp object>.{lp_attributes,lp_collections,lp_entries}
[00:37] <jk-> bjf: ah, just straight lp api
[00:37] <bjf> jk-, right, that doesn't work with the lpltk unless you get to the raw lp object in the wrapper
[00:42] <cnd> jk-, how do I manipulate an lp object?
[00:42] <cnd> lets say I want to create a project
[00:43] <cnd> I may have figured it out
[00:44] <jk-> cnd: I've only queried LP myself :/
[00:44] <cnd> ok
[00:44] <jk-> seen https://help.launchpad.net/API ?
[00:45] <jk-> particularly https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[00:46] <jk->     me = people['my-user-name']
[00:46] <jk->     me.display_name = 'A user who edits through the Launchpad web service.'
[00:46] <jk->     me.lp_save()
[00:46] <jk-> but again, this is all launchpadlib objects, not lpltk.
[00:47] <cnd> yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to create new objects
[00:47] <cnd> to set up a test env
[00:47] <cnd> on qastaging
[00:47] <cnd> it doesn't appear that many people have wanted to do this before :)
[00:49] <cnd> I see that there's a method new_project
[00:49] <cnd> but I don't know what its signature is
[00:49] <cnd> it's rather opaque, and there's no docs that I can find...
[00:50] <bjf> cnd, looks like you need the lp projects collection
[00:51] <cnd> I may have figured it out by finding a snippet through google :)
[00:51] <cnd> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TepAzI2pmu0J:people.canonical.com/~bryce/arsenal_lib.py+launchpadlib+%22new_bug%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com
[00:51] <cnd> grep for new_bug
[00:51] <jk-> cnd: print new_project.__doc__ ?
[00:53] <bjf> cnd, you may be better off sticking with the straight LP api, you could look at "close-eol-nominations" in kteam-tools/bugs for an example
[00:54] <cnd> yeah
[02:43] <rokr1> Hello there !
[02:43] <rokr1> I am trying to install Mainline 3.0 in Linux kernel from ubuntu repository
[02:44] <rokr1> current version seems 3.0-oneiric
[02:44] <rokr1> I am running natty 64bit
[02:44] <rokr1> desktop
[02:45] <rokr1> I would like to know if the new mainline version of kernel 3.0 supports XEN dom0 natively ?
[02:45] <rokr1> I hope the .deb packages are generic
[02:46] <rokr1> lamot u there ?
[02:46] <rokr1> sorry lamont*
[02:50] <rokr1> does kernel 3.0-oneiric support XEN dom0
[02:50] <rokr1> ?
[02:52] <rokr1> Just installed 3.0 about restart please advise
[02:52] <rokr1> I am about to restart the machine !
[02:52] <rokr1> bye
[02:53] <jk-> CONFIG_XEN_DOM0=y
[02:53] <jk-> -ETIMEDOUT
[02:56] <rokr1> back after a reboot now on 3.0-oneiric
[02:56] <rokr1> kernel
 CONFIG_XEN_DOM0=y
[02:56] <jk-> ^ rokr1
[02:56] <rokr1> is it enabled by default ?
[02:56] <jk-> that's the default config
[02:56] <jk-> so yes
[02:56] <rokr1> Oh okay
[02:57] <rokr1> thanks jk
[02:57]  * jk- has no idea what else is required
[02:59] <rokr1> will be back once if I have a question bye for now!
[07:22]  * apw yawns
[07:32] <jk-> hey apw
[07:32] <apw> jk- heya
[08:01]  * smb crawls in
[08:01]  * apw waves to smb
[08:01] <smb> apw, mornin
[09:43] <cooloney> morning apw and smb
[09:43] <apw> cooloney, moin
[09:43] <smb> cooloney, morning
[09:44] <cooloney> apw and smb, did you guys try the onieric for MAC?
[09:45] <cooloney> which is the same kernel as amd64?
[09:45] <smb> cooloney, What makes you think we even got a MAC
[09:45] <cooloney> smb: oh, i found a special ISO for mac on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[09:46] <cooloney> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:46] <smb> cooloney, For which you would want to use the right hardware, no? ;)
[09:48] <cooloney> smb: you know, i had a macbook pro and maybe test the iso on my mac
[09:49] <apw> cooloney, yep you need a special iso cause mac efi is sooooo broken
[09:49] <smb> cooloney, You are free to do, but I have not a single piece ow hardware with an apple on it
[09:49] <apw> does anyone know if it is possible that a machine with wireless is not capable of doing wpa ?
[09:49] <smb> apw, Think that is possible
[09:50] <apw> is it a hardware feature
[09:50] <cooloney> apw: ming lei or ikepanhc might know that, heh
[09:50] <apw> oh dear
[09:50] <smb> With old wireless chipsets...
[09:50] <apw> poor t30
[09:50]  * ikepanhc ah?
[09:50] <smb> apw, But I thought wpa_supplicant worked around that to some degree..
[09:50] <cooloney> apw: are you still using t30?
[09:51] <ohsix> it depends on the drivers too
[09:51] <apw> cooloney, i have one lying about as its tooo crap to run unity, so it defaults to unity-2d
[09:51] <ohsix> mac80211 drivers generally can do "anything", barring bizarre hw edge cases
[09:52] <ikepanhc> it must be a very old wifi chips, since 802.11i has announced for at least 5y
[09:52]  * smb wonders that a t30 should be able to do wpa... His t21 could...
[09:53] <ikepanhc> t30 should, I once have a x31, it works fine with wpa, I think they are about the same year
[09:54] <apw> ikepanhc, hmmm ok ... it has a prism chipset
[09:54] <apw> and is only offering me password options for non-wpa levels oddly
[09:54] <ikepanhc> apw: which machine?
[09:54] <ikepanhc> and with ubuntu?
[09:56] <apw> ikepanhc, it is a t30 and with natty yes
[09:56]  * ikepanhc checking
[09:56] <apw> only the SO is allowed to have windows, and only then cause screaming and crying didn't persuade them otherwise
[09:59] <apw> well i plugged in some external thing that rtg gave me, and that just selects wpa correctly for my network
[09:59] <apw> i suspect the prism can't do it, i guess it might be cause i have selected tkip
[10:00] <smb> apw, Yeah, I think prism was "special"...
[10:00] <apw> you mean that it was and is a POS ?
[10:02] <smb> apw, My memory may be wrong, but I think it had a special driver (not softmac) which did not do that and probably is not maintained much anymore...
[10:03] <apw> yay, fun, joy, BAH
[10:06] <ikepanhc> apw: for you reference: http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2010-April/021329.html seems there are several drivers for Intersil prism 2.5 and not all of them supported wpa
[10:07] <apw> yay
[10:07] <apw> ikepanhc, thanks, i suspect it is too shite to believe, i will therefore assume it cannot do it
[10:07] <apw> anyone owned one of those
[10:07] <apw> nano USB adapters that actually worked ok ?
[10:08] <smb> I had one small but its currently on rental and I do not remember what chipset...
[10:08] <smb> but it worked ok
[10:08] <apw> you mean you have loaned it to someone ?
[10:09] <ikepanhc> I am glad that I can help
[10:09] <smb> apw, Yeah, to my brother in exchange to his seemingly broken (in Linux) one
[10:10] <apw> they always do that, you end up with piles of junk which don't work for you and all the good stuff is gone
[10:10] <smb> apw, Though it turned out its only broken in the sense that it lies about connection speed
[10:10] <apw> oh so its working fine, just saying 0mb all the time
[10:10] <smb> Yeah, 1Mbit but exactly
[10:11] <smb> Still runs at higher speed but you only can see that deeply hidden in debugfs
[10:12] <smb> apw, Though I may fix that when I have nothing else to do... Well clearly that is about to happen ... not soon
[10:18] <apw> right two random nano wireless thingies which claim to support linux purchased
[12:43] <tgardner> apw, I notice Mario has uploaded dkms.
[13:39] <lilstevie> just wondering if security_yama and security_smack are required
[13:53] <ogra_> did you guys rework the enforcer parts of the packages ?
[13:54] <ogra_> (if so, is there a wikipage or some other doc that lists why something is needed, so we know if we need to patch third party kernels because userspace requires a feature patch)
[13:55] <tgardner> ogra_, what config option is bothering you?
[13:56] <ogra_> tgardner, well, lilstevie is just rolling a galaxy tab kernel for an ubuntu image and the enforcer wants things like aufs, security_yama and security_smack
[13:56] <ogra_> as you can guess he uses the ubuntu package infrastructure
[13:57] <tgardner> well, we tune these config options for the distro and not necessarily for an embedded system
[13:58] <ogra_> its not "embedded"
[13:58] <ogra_> :)
[13:58] <ogra_> its not different to the pandaboard
[13:58] <ogra_> which is rather atom class
[13:58] <tgardner> ogra_, ok, then what is the issue? you want to disable them ?
[13:58] <ogra_> and he rolls a normal unity-2d ubuntu desktop image for it
[13:59] <ogra_> tgardner, i wonder if we have documentation anywhere why what is needed so i can go through the enforcer file and drop things for non ubuntu maintained kernels (missing aufs for a non live system wont do harm for example, but people need to know that its only for this)
[14:00] <tgardner> ogra_, there is probably a rationale somewhere. ogasawara, do you have this in our config review spec ?
[14:00] <ogra_> ... if no userspace makes any use of security_yama and security_smack i wouldnt want to patch a 2.6.29 BSP kernel i package for universe to have it (and having to maintain that patch)
[14:01] <ogasawara> tgardner, ogra_: nope, I don't recall we've documented the config enforcer in any or our wikis or specs
[14:01] <lilstevie> Well I just want to know what are the absolute required patches
[14:01] <ogasawara> tgardner, ogra_: I think some of the configs being enforced have a comment in the file itself for why it's there, otherwise one would likely have to parse the git history
[14:01] <ogra_> lilstevie, my ac100 works fine without security_yama and security_smack on oneiric
[14:01] <tgardner> lilstevie, I think anything in the ubuntu directory is optional since its not part of mainline. aufs, yama, etc...
[14:02] <lilstevie> yeah I am working fine without yama and smack
[14:02] <lilstevie> I am just wondering if there is any reason that I may not be seeing
[14:03] <ogra_> ubuntu should generally be able to run with mainline kernels
[14:03] <ogra_> the ubuntu patches are usually fo special features (i.e. aufs -> livecd)
[14:03] <tgardner> ogra_, apparmor will complain a little, but things will still work
[14:04] <lilstevie> and we don't have a live cd on arm do we?
[14:04] <lilstevie> tgardner: well I have apparmor
[14:04] <ogra_> hmm, it doesnt complain here on an up to date oneiric
[14:04] <kees> ogra_, lilstevie: running without Yama will open a system up to a few classes of security vulnerabilities, so I would recommend keeping it.
[14:04] <lilstevie> kees: it isn't available in my kernel
[14:04] <lilstevie> this is why I am wondering
[14:04] <ogra_> kees, "keeping" isnt the discussion point ;)
[14:05] <kees> ogra_: oh, I have misunderstood, then. :)
[14:05] <lilstevie> Yama and Smack are not available in my kernel
[14:05] <ogra_> its an older kernel version (as BSP kernels usually are) that misses such features
[14:05] <ogra_> to be packaged in universe for a certain device
[14:06] <kees> nothing in the default ubuntu userspace uses smack, so that's fine.
[14:06]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:06] <ogra_> great :)
[14:06] <kees> there are a few regression tests that will fail if Yama is missing, and while a few things are tuned to work with Yama, they will operate fine without it.
[14:07] <lilstevie> ok that is good to know
[14:07] <ogra_> lilstevie, so i would look how much effort adding yama is :)
[14:07] <lilstevie> yeah
[14:10] <lilstevie> kees: is this all there is to yama http://codereview.chromium.org/6677065
[14:10] <lilstevie> if so that isn't too bad
[14:15] <kees> lilstevie: it's small, yeah. the "current" set of patches is as mentioned from that url, in my git tree: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=kees/linux-2.6.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/yama
[14:16] <jmburgess> Hey kernel team. I have two bugs that I think are ready to be marked as triaged. Can anybody look them over for me? I'm new
[14:16] <jmburgess> Bug 565543 and 814426
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 565543 in linux "Alps touchpad detected as ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse(in VAIO E series) after the kernel upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565543
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 814426 in linux "Natty Narwhal Crackling Sound" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814426
[14:17] <lilstevie> actually smack seems pretty easy to implement too
[14:19] <charlie-tca> jmburgess: looking
[14:19] <jmburgess> Thanks charlie-tca
[14:20] <kees> lilstevie: smack should just be a CONFIG_* option, iirc.
[14:20] <charlie-tca> jmburgess: Done; very nice work on those
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping with those bugs.
[14:21] <lilstevie> kees: heh yeah, smack is implemented in kernel, just not refered to in the makefile or Kconfig
[14:21] <lilstevie> I just didn't notice before
[14:23] <jmburgess> charlie-tca, :) glad I can help
[14:23] <charlie-tca> kernel bugs are difficult to work. It is good to have some help with them
[15:32] <Q-FUNK> Greetings!  It seems that I have a serious regression in Oneiric since kernel 3.0 that has forced me to revert to 2.6.38.
[15:33] <Q-FUNK> I'd love to report it, except that 'ubuntu-bug linux-image-3.0.0-7-generic' would obviously attach the wrong boot logs. Any ideas on how to work around that?
[15:57] <apw> Q-FUNK, i think it doesn't attach the running ones if you use a binary like that
[16:03]  * smb -> away
[16:04]  * herton -> lunch
[16:10] <Q-FUNK> apw: could be.  any other way to get the log from the previous boot, to shot what crashed?
[16:14] <apw> nothing in syslog?  and it crashes hard ?
[16:16] <Q-FUNK> it freezes half-way thru the boot.   it already started misbehaving during the 2.6.39, but it was fairly random at that time.  mostly odd segfaults whenever running dpkg.  with 3.0, it's nearly systematic.
[17:15] <apw> Q-FUNK, and booting without splash vthandoff and adding debug wahts that look like
[17:15] <Q-FUNK> apw: I'm probably missing half of your sentence?
[17:16] <apw> i am trying to work out what level of kernel loggin is visible when you are booting
[17:16] <apw> therefore i am asking if you have disabled splash etc and turned on debug
[17:20] <apw> Q-FUNK, ^^
[17:32] <Q-FUNK> apw: if your have cmdline recipe I could input into grub, I'd welcome that.
[17:32] <apw> when at the boot menu, edit the entry and change the set gfxmenu=$xxx to =text
[17:33] <apw> then drop "splash" and "vt.handoff=N" from the command line and add "debug"
[17:33] <apw> then boot that
[18:03] <cnd> bjf[afk], sconklin: how is the sru bug tracking page generated?
[18:04] <bjf> cnd, look in kteam-tools/web the makefile shows all
[18:05] <cnd> bjf, ok, thanks
[18:06] <Q-FUNK> apw: thanks.  where will that drop the log ad how do I grab it when I reboot into my backup kernel to attach to the bug?
[18:21] <dupondje> For a gps device, a /dev/gpsX should be created or ?
[18:29] <sforshee> dupondje, no /dev/gps that I'm aware of. What kind of device is it?
[18:32] <ohsix> sforshee: they're usually serial ports, barring devices that don't talk NMEA
[18:33] <sforshee> ohsix, depends, a lot of consumer models just have a USB mass storage interface
[18:33] <ohsix> (so they're on the serial ports, not gpsX)
[18:33] <ohsix> my only experience is garmin devices where it's a proprietary protocol or nmea
[18:34] <ohsix> i presume he actually meant to get gps information, not something like a tomtom situation where you copy maps or whatever to it over usb
[18:34] <sforshee> ohsix, that's why it depends on the model :)
[18:35] <dupondje> iInterface             18 Dell Wireless 5540 HSPA Mini-Card GPS Port
[18:35] <ohsix> yup, i was more speaking to getting nmea and it showing up as a serial port; he'd probably notice a disk :P
[18:36] <dupondje> would be cool if it worked :P
[18:37] <sforshee> dupondje, my first guess would a serial port then, but I don't know anything about that device
[18:37] <dupondje> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 413c:8184 Dell Computer Corp. F3607gw v2 Mobile Broadband Module
[18:37] <dupondje> its 3G & (A)GPS in one
[18:39] <dupondje> usb-_ADell_Wireless_5540_Dell_Wireless_5540_3563970331281170-if0X
[18:39] <dupondje> mmm :) serial it seems indeed
[18:39] <dupondje> got 3 of them
[18:40] <sforshee> dupondje, from there it depends if it used NMEA or some proprietary protocol
[18:40] <JanC> that's an Ericsson I guess?  ☺
[18:41] <dupondje> any idea how I can find out what one of the 3 it is ?
[18:41] <JanC> dupondje: try pointing gpsd to all 3 of them and see which one it gets data from?
[18:43] <ohsix> try "cat" on all of them, one at a time :>
[18:43] <ohsix> one of them will probably be the modem baseband, dunno what the third will be
[18:44] <dupondje> none of them gives output :P
[18:44] <sforshee> dupondje, you could also try looking at the data from 'udevadm info --export-db' for the ttyUSB devices, see if there are descriptive names associated with them
[18:45] <ohsix> those cards tend to need firmware and special knocks too
[18:46] <JanC> not sure if this has useful info: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/mbm/index.php?title=MBM
[18:46] <dupondje> NetworkManager does see the modem, so thats fine
[18:47] <dupondje> JanC: seems nice
[18:47] <dupondje> lets read
[18:54] <dupondje> mmm, the tool depends on HAL :(
[19:20] <apw> bjf, ok finally remembered to fix those two reports ... should be ok now
[19:20] <bjf> apw, it would seem so
[19:21] <apw> bjf, i've also moved your update jobs a couple minutes earlier to miss the matrix update
[19:21] <bjf> apw, wfm
[19:47] <dupondje> JanC: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Ericsson_F3507g_Mobile_Broadband_Module
[19:47] <dupondje> seems like it can be enabled manually also :D
[19:48] <JanC> right, that's at least based on the same Ericsson card, it seems
[19:49] <JanC> or a similar one?
[19:49] <JanC> 3507 vs. 3607
[19:53] <dupondje> $GPGGA,,,,,,0,00,0.5,,M,-0.142099,M,0.0000199,0130*54
[19:53] <dupondje> $GPRMC,000151.86,V,,,,,,,060180,,,N*79
[19:53] <dupondje> $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,1.1,0.5,1.0*34
[19:53] <dupondje> hehe :D
[19:56] <dupondje> waiting for a fix :)
[20:26]  * JanC only has a 12 € "GPS mouse"  ☺
[20:28] <JanC> (which gets a fix within seconds)
[20:58] <dupondje> still no fix btw
[20:58] <dupondje> sad :(
[22:06] <robbiew> any known issues with power management in Oneiric?  my x220 is getting sucked dry:
[22:06] <robbiew> Power usage (ACPI estimate): 19.8W (2.3 hours)
[22:06] <robbiew> Top causes for wakeups:
[22:06] <robbiew> 33.9% (526.4)   [Rescheduling interrupts] <kernel IPI>
[22:06] <robbiew> 23.1% (358.6)   SignalSender
[22:17] <Sarvatt> robbiew: thats chromium sucking your power dry
[22:17] <robbiew> all hell
[22:18] <Sarvatt> robbiew: supposedly fixed by 14.0.835.0 according to the bug report
[22:18] <Sarvatt> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=77625
[22:19]  * robbiew is running chrome browser...but I guess it's there too
[22:19] <robbiew> amazing...thanks!
[22:21] <manjo> Sarvatt, u genius
[22:22]  * robbiew switches to the unstable package...maybe the fix is there...damn sure ain't in stable
[22:23] <Sarvatt> 14.0.835 should be dev channel
[22:25] <robbiew> yep...fixed in unstable Chrome browser


[14:17] <xnixan> Miriup, rverrips Toki good afternoon :)
[14:17] <Toki> xnixan: Afternoon! How'd you do?
[14:29] <Miriup> :) For me on Fridays, mornings, afternoons and evenings are somehow inseparable. ;) But thanks. Good Friday to everyone. :)
[14:35] <Toki> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3722767/the-matrix-runs-on-windows
[16:29]  * nlsthzn-work waves


[16:32] <raevol> for a command-line automated backup tool, would you guys use rsnapshot?
[17:53] <philipballew> raevol, Ive used rsync. Its kinda like a backup tool
[17:53] <raevol> yea, rsnapshot uses rsync, but also uses hardlinks to make space-efficient snapshots
[17:54] <philipballew> hum, seems good enough then
[17:55] <greg-g> I'm checking out/testing obnam right now, in fact
[18:05] <akk> Does rsnapshot make multiple backup copies by date ... is that what the hardlinks are for?
[18:07] <raevol> akk something like that... i'd need to look at it again


[01:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1220967] The new Network Manager applet does not connect after WEP password @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1220967 (by Marco Parillo)
[06:13] <soee> good morning
[06:17] <cff> Is there KDevelop 4.5.1 in Kubuntu Backports?
[09:40] <seaLne> cff: yes
[09:41] <cff> seaLne: thanks, I think I had the wrong backports repo, i.e. for the previous Kubuntu version and it was deactivated when I did an upgrade, that's why I couldn't find it
[09:41] <Riddell> you can also look in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages
[12:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:30] <shadeslayer> srsly, no one looking at getting 4.11.1 out?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> :<
[12:38] <shadeslayer> soee: raring 4.11.1 in ninjas is ready
[12:38] <shadeslayer> I think you wanted to test right>
[12:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you can get it out, the block is lifted
[12:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: someone needs to QA
[12:41]  * smartboyhw has no bandwidth to QA:(
[12:41] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, wait, you mean Saucy or Raring?
[12:41]  * shadeslayer is listening to Queen to get his brain running
[12:41] <smartboyhw> lol
[12:42] <shadeslayer> specifically this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
[12:43] <soee> shadeslayer, im at work now, on raring but i wont risk broking system here :) ill test at home
[12:43] <shadeslayer> soee: np
[12:43] <shadeslayer> someone needs to automate testing
[12:43] <shadeslayer> with kvm / virtualbox / whatever
[12:45]  * smartboyhw nominates shadeslayer
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could be done with ec2
[12:46] <shadeslayer> hmmmmm
[12:46] <shadeslayer> maybe
[12:47]  * yofel upgrades saucy
[13:38] <BluesKaj> yofel, what's your ninja ppa again ?, some it got lost in my sources.list
[13:38] <BluesKaj> somehow
[13:38] <yofel> BluesKaj: pm
[13:39] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:39] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:39] <skaet> Riddell,  have you finished all your edits on the Release notes now?   Any gotcha's still lurking from Kubuntu's perspective?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> thanks yofel
[13:42] <Riddell> skaet: good question, which release notes?
[13:42] <skaet> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Kubuntu
[13:42] <skaet> have seen you've made some edits, and they look reasonable, so just checking nothing else left to do
[13:45] <Riddell> skaet: yeah those ones are good
[13:46] <Riddell> skaet: is there a draft of the announcement?
[13:46] <skaet> Riddell, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Beta1/Announce
[13:47] <skaet> Review passes on it welcome.  :-)
[13:48] <Riddell> skaet: groovy, fixed an "an"
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me the conclusion of the about system discussion?  was it going in kickoff?
[13:48] <skaet> Riddell,  ta.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , kde upgrade is done ...wish me luck , going to reboot
[13:58] <yofel> hm, for me it's removing plasma-widgets-addons
[13:58]  * yofel rebuilds kdeplasma-addons
[14:03] <Riddell> http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2013/09/debian-kubuntu-bug-squashing-party-2013/  ta da!
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[14:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, yofel , looking good for kde 4.11.1 so far
[14:11] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, greato
[14:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will you be coming?
[14:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: to munich? yeah I hope so
[14:13] <shadeslayer> yep, munich
[14:13] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:14]  * shadeslayer is unsure at the moment, travelling to Berlin early october
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, hello:)
[14:15] <Darkwing> Good morning :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Darkwing
[14:16] <Darkwing> How is everything in Kubu Land?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> upgrading the desktop , guess i should on the test drive too
[14:16] <Riddell> gosh it's a Darkwing
[14:17] <Riddell> Darkwing: everything is sweetness and light
[14:17] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[14:17] <Darkwing> Riddell: :D Nice.
[14:18] <Darkwing> I've been playing with other stuff but, I think I'll end up back to Kubuntu... I've tried to make other things work but... It's just not the same anymore.
[14:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: ooh interesting and nice to hear
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, we're soon going to release 13.10 Beat 1
[14:18] <smartboyhw> *Beta
[14:19] <Darkwing> I've run Fedora KDE and openSuse for the last couple months.
[14:19] <Riddell> Darkwing: what sort of things work for us but less so for the competition?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, see? You can't leave Kubuntu. It's an addictive disease:P
[14:19] <Darkwing> backend stability
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, great:)
[14:19] <Darkwing> I mean, openSuse sank on dual moniter
[14:20] <Darkwing> So, I can't run it on my desktop and only on lappy
[14:20] <Darkwing> fedora was... a pain to do anything.
[14:20] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, that's why Kubuntu is greatness
[14:20] <Darkwing> It's snappier but, to add anything and get backend working the way I needed it to took 4 days of tweaking
[14:21] <Darkwing> and yum plain... suck
[14:22] <Darkwing> So, I have another project I'm working on so, I'm not returning to Kubuntu development just yet due to time...
[14:22] <Darkwing> http://igg.me/at/podfiber is what I'm spending my devel time on.
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, when you got any time, come back:)
[14:23] <Darkwing> I'm going to download Kubuntu 13.10 and flip my system :D
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Well, if it succeeds, at least Darkwing is better than Canonical:P
[14:23] <Darkwing> LOL
[14:24] <Darkwing> I love how they kept spinning it when they realized it was going to fail
[14:35] <Darkwing> The beta1 images good right?
[14:35] <Riddell> Darkwing: I've marked them as good for release yes, but more testing is welcome :)
[14:36] <Darkwing> I'll run them on my desktop and laptop. :D
[14:36]  * Darkwing is done with yum and rodhat and suse based systems
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: looking at the wifi issues right now,
[14:38] <BluesKaj> beta1 and kde 4.11.1 are humming along
[14:38] <agateau> Riddell: do you get to reliably connect to wifi from a plasma session?
[14:39] <Darkwing> agateau: I'll take a look when I install here shortly.
[14:40] <agateau> Darkwing: thanks. Something like one time out of ten. When it fails, it just sits there after clicking the "Connect" button, doing nothing
[14:40] <agateau> but that's in a VM, which may be the cause (not sure)
[14:41] <Darkwing> give me a few, it's finishing DLing now
[14:41] <Riddell> agateau: yes all fine in a full plasma session
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: I also noticed Ubiquity wireless step does not connect here: I get a crash because of a permission error. I am not talking about oem-config, just plain install in vm
[14:45] <Riddell> agateau: I only tested oem-config in a vm so that might be related
[14:45] <Riddell> when I run virtualbox it gets a "wired" connection and network manager finds that so the wireless part of ubiquity was never showed
[14:46] <Riddell> but in oem-config and ubiquity --only network manager isn't running so it crashes
[14:47] <agateau> Riddell: what I do to test in vm is to "unplug" the wired connection cable and use a usb wireless dongle
[14:48] <Riddell> agateau: which vm do you use?
[14:52] <agateau> Riddell: virtualbox
[14:52] <agateau> with the proprietary stuff to be able to use usb devices
[14:52] <Riddell> agateau: ok same as me, I must explore more options
[14:54] <Riddell> quick off the mark http://news.softpedia.com/news/Kubuntu-13-10-Beta-1-Uses-Linux-Kernel-3-11-and-KDE-4-11-380643.shtml
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Technically, it hasn't been released though
[14:55] <smartboyhw> I think we need to remind Softpedia
[14:55] <Riddell> right, especially quick given it hasn't been announced
[14:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: they probably found the announce wiki page which doesn't have any embargo on it
[14:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm
[14:57] <shadeslayer> well, cdimage is also up
[14:58]  * shadeslayer seeds
[14:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, they are still testing the links and finishing up the release announcement and notes
[14:58] <seaLne> its quite impressive how good kubuntu is considering according to softpedia it only took a few months effort (http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Kubuntu-Saucy-Salamander-100450.shtml)
[14:58] <Riddell> yeah that's normal and always the case, got to mirror it before announcing
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:59] <shadeslayer> seaLne: lol
[15:07] <smartboyhw> LOL https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/102786751626732213960/albums/5920153445803139617/5920153451677973842?authkey=CKDQ8tbbxYSXGA
[15:07] <smartboyhw> (From G+)
[15:07]  * smartboyhw almost rolled down from his chair for this:P
[15:25] <smartboyhw> People: Here's the situation of KLyDE: THey are planning a preview release weeks after now (with 4.11.1 running), but they themselves will be maintaining their own Debian/Ubuntu repository via openSUSE's OBS service
[15:30] <smartboyhw> The source will be available for us to package
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: who's they?  it's will from suse isn't it?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, not exactly
[15:31] <smartboyhw> The original Cloverleaf Linux (a.k.a. post-Fuduntu team) took over
[15:44] <agateau> xnox: ping
[15:51] <agateau> Riddell: do you know what starts ubiquity at livecd boot, rather than plasma?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: regarding KLyDE we should maybe ask them to host the source in a git repo ( maybe even on git.kde.org ) and then we can package releases of it, or provide daily builds via recipes
[15:59] <Riddell> agateau: ubiquity-dm does
[16:00] <agateau> Riddell: I can't get it to start. I am trying with "sudo start ubiquity-dm" but it fails
[16:00] <agateau> Riddell: and it's strange that the upstart script mentions starting it using the "ubuntu" user, which does not exist on a kubuntu install
[16:01] <agateau> errr "sudo start ubiquity"
[16:01] <xnox> but do switch to tty1, stop lightdm and kill any remainging X servers
[16:01] <Riddell> agateau: is this a live image? there's things ona live image not on an installed system
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: yes, it's a live image
[16:02] <agateau> Riddell: I already shut down lightdm and X
[16:02] <Riddell> the ubuntu user is called kubuntu on kubuntu CDs
[16:02] <xnox> Riddell: sure there is loads =) we do remove a bunch of packages from target at the end of the ubiquity install.
[16:03] <agateau> Riddell: sure the ubuntu user is called kubuntu, but here the ubiquity.conf scripts refers to "ubuntu"
[16:07] <agateau> Oh looking at the code it seems the name can be overridden by casper
[16:07] <agateau> explains things
[16:07] <agateau> but still I'd love to be able to try my stuff since rebooting is going to trash it
[16:07] <agateau> :/
[16:18] <Riddell> agateau: you can try a persistent partition, seems like a bit of a last resort
[16:19] <agateau> Riddell: I just figured out a workaround: starting ubiquity-dm by hand. But that required changing it because it was defaulting to the gtk ui (my fault)
[16:20] <Riddell> mm maybe that's what I remember doing when I tried it
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: anyway, I was able to check that wireless setup from within ubiquity-dm worked back in july,
[16:20] <agateau> Riddell: but does not work as of today
[16:21] <agateau> Riddell: so something broke in between
[16:33] <Riddell> !testers | libdvdcss from upstream http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[16:33] <Riddell> hmm
[16:33] <Riddell> no ubotu
[16:38] <agateau> xnox: does this ring a bell to you? http://agateau.com/tmp//ubiquity-wifi-crash.png
[16:38] <agateau> xnox: this is with iso from this morning
[16:39] <xnox> agateau: if it works from => try kubuntu => launch ubiquity, it's most likely the bug that ubiquity-dm does not setup a logind session & thus can no longer let mere mortals control network manager.
[16:39] <xnox> as consolekit integration in ubiquity-dm and in ubuntu is gone.
[16:39] <xnox> and only logind is supported in the archive, but not ubiquity yet.
[16:39] <agateau> xnox: interesting, going to check that
[16:40] <agateau> xnox: does this also affect the gtk frontend?
[16:40] <xnox> yes.
[16:41] <agateau> it does work when ubiquity is started from a desktop session
[16:42] <xnox> agateau: than it's something else.
[16:42] <xnox> agateau: maybe something like policykit blocking it?
[16:43] <agateau> xnox: ? I just said it works when going "try kubuntu => launch ubiquity"
[16:43] <xnox> I also switched ubiquity to use pkexec instead of sudo/gnome-sudo/kde-su, which may be clearning to much environment.
[16:43] <xnox> agateau: it should, it does on gtk side.
[16:43] <agateau> now I am confused.
[16:44] <agateau> you're saying wifi works on the gtk side, even when ubiquity is running as a dm?
[16:44] <xnox> no, only from "try ubuntu => launch ubiquity"
[16:44] <agateau> ok, so we have the same problem with kubuntu
[16:45] <tsimpson> Riddell: ubottu doesn't like URLs with factoids (spam protection)
[16:47] <agateau> xnox: could Riddell oem-config bug 1220193 be caused by the same problem?
[17:00]  * agateau has to go
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I see you pushed a patch to kde-workspace in bzr
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but nothing in the ninjas PPA
[19:06] <Darkwing> are there any Alt images for 13.04 for a software raid?
[19:07] <Darkwing> all I can find post Precise is desktop images
[19:13] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, so 4.11.1 raring ready to test ?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: yes
[19:17] <soee_ninja> hmm using muon to change repositories list
[19:18] <soee_ninja> just reloads list nothing more
[19:19] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, can you give me ninjas ppa details ?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> moment
[19:23] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: see PM
[19:26] <xnox> Darkwing: use mini.iso or server cd and choose desktop task (e.g. ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, etc as needed)
[19:26] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, packages to be removed: kde-window-manager kde-workspace kubuntu-desktop libtaskmanager4abi4
[19:27] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: what are you using to upgrade
[19:27] <soee_ninja> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ah hmm
[19:27] <shadeslayer> sec
[19:28] <shadeslayer> libtaskmanager4abi4 being removed is fine
[19:28] <shadeslayer> I don't know why kde-window-manager wants to be removed
[19:29] <soee_ninja> nor do i :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> can you run with the debug resolver?
[19:29] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true  dist-upgrade
[19:29] <shadeslayer> and then pastebin the output
[19:30] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/yruhX38u
[19:31] <shadeslayer> what   Removing kde-window-manager:amd64 rather than change libkdecorations4abi1:amd64
[19:32] <soee_ninja> i do not know
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[19:34] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, sorry my fault :<>
[19:34] <soee_ninja> i tun it on saucy
[19:34] <soee_ninja> *run
[19:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:34] <soee_ninja> wait ill switch to raring :D
[19:36] <genii> Got an email from KDE bug 324002 ( systemsettings, opening input devices crashes) with a comment from Hugo Pereira Da Costa, saying "code crashes in qobject_cast. Analysing the backtrace, it must be that widget: 0x1db1f50 for which sizehints is called is invalid. this has to be an upstream (Qt) or downstream (the python module) bug. Not oxygen. Sorry."  ...for those working on this issue.
[20:20] <soee_ninja> shadeslayer, no errors while upgrading on raring, rebooting  laptop now
[20:20] <soee_ninja> are there packages for raring ready ?
[20:20] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh)
[20:21] <shadeslayer> soee_ninja: awesome
[20:21] <soee_ninja> ican we some day expect
[20:22] <soee_ninja> that booting screen will work with propriety drivers ?
[20:23] <soee_ninja> reboot went fine :)
[20:23] <soee_ninja> raring cool
[20:57] <debfx> ScottK: thanks for moving qt to updates, the other qt sru is in the queue.
[20:58] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[21:00] <ScottK> Accepted.
[21:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1180067] No icons on buttons @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180067 (by GamePad64)


[01:32] <ahoneybun> are we having a Alpha 1?
[01:32] <ahoneybun> for 15.10
[03:36] <Riddell> "Fathi Boudra (fboudra) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay fabo still loves us!
[05:31] <fabo> Riddell: as long as you're the leader ;)
[07:36] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:32] <soee> hiho
[16:01] <Riddell> jose: my comment on fridge is awaiting moderation
[16:02] <Riddell> fabo: :)
[16:02] <Riddell> morning all!
[16:02] <Riddell> so kf5 for wily? anyone got an update? sgclark?
[16:03] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.10.0_wily.html looking green
[16:13] <mparillo> Riddell: LinkedIn informs me that it is your anniversary with Blue Systems. If so (I can be sloppy with LinkedIn, myself), congratulations.
[16:15] <soee> Riddell: kf 5.10 and next bugfix release for app was released
[16:15] <Riddell> soee: where?
[16:16] <soee> Riddell: to be packaged i think https://dot.kde.org/2015/06/03/june-update-kde-applications-1504
[16:16] <Riddell> hi ximion, I see you're interested in membership?
[16:16] <Riddell> soee: ah yes I know that :)
[16:16] <soee> :)
[16:17] <ximion> Riddell: yup - valorie convinced me, and being Kubuntu member has a few advantages and will make some things easier in future
[16:18] <ximion> (e.g. ensuring that bugfixes to AppStream components in Debian reach Ubuntu faster - Vivid fell a bit short in that regard....)
[16:18] <ximion> :P
[16:20] <soee> Riddell: is there any chance to backport to Plasma 5.3 patch that Ivan released yesterday i think, that  fixes problem with binding app to single activity or its to complex ?
[16:20] <Riddell> soee: got any pointers?
[16:20] <Riddell> ximion: you'll need to do a doodle poll for a meeting of the coundil
[16:21] <ximion> Riddell: and then send it where? to the mailinglist?
[16:22] <ximion> first I need to finish the "About me" part in the application wiki anyway :D
[16:22] <Riddell> ximion: yes
[16:22] <ximion> (and get a few more testimonials, I guess)
[16:22] <soee> Riddell: i need to ask Ivan, he confirmed its fixed yesterday and my bugreport was closed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342935
[16:23] <Riddell> he says "This is fixed for 5.4" on that bug report so it's probably not fixable for plasma 5.3
[16:27] <soee> :(
[16:31] <Riddell> ug, frameworks looks all fine apart form all the lintian errors these debian merged introduced
[16:37] <soee> updated topic, applications are already in backports so no need to link to its build status
[16:48] <mitya57> Mirv: which version of qbs does qtcreator need?
[17:58] <jose> Riddell: I'll try to get to it soon - we have like 1000 on queue (most are spam)
[18:01] <Riddell> jose: did the fridge editors not consider whether it was appropriate to publish an article trashing ubuntu and its members?
[18:01] <Riddell> seems very contrary to what fridge is for
[18:39] <Riddell> anyone know how KDDA/clivejo got on with packaging kamoso?
[18:39] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I think him/her and yofel or someone got a built package
[18:40]  * ahoneybun thinks they we working on getting it in a PPA
[18:46] <yofel> sgclark was working with him I think, I only helped him with digikam
[18:50] <ahoneybun> right digikam
[18:56] <soee> :)
[19:24] <soee> oh this is cool :) i'm listning some music, phone rings and when i want to talk musing is uted through kdeconnect i think :)
[22:01] <Riddell> frameworks 5.10 is in wily!
[22:02] <valorie> so tempted to upgrade to wily
[22:02] <valorie> gotta get my mail computer fixx0red though
[22:03] <valorie> impossible to work with a flakey network card
[22:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm going to have some things from LibreOffice at SELF and Akademy
[22:15] <soee> Riddell: backport to Vivid ? :)
[22:22] <Riddell> soee: meh, isn't it already?
[22:23] <soee> ;o
[22:24] <soee> Riddell: i can sware its 5.9
[22:25] <Riddell> you'd be right


[00:23] <Unit193> Do we plan to keep the desktop icons so large? (48)
[02:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: Going to poke elfy about the SRU testing?
[02:33] <bluesabre> of course
[02:33] <bluesabre> ;)
[02:33] <bluesabre> forestpiskie, finally making some progress on the black screen bug
[02:34] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[02:35] <bluesabre> both xfce4-power-manager and light-locker-settings packages are on their way to -proposed
[02:35] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1326740
[02:35] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker-settings/+bug/1326741
[02:36] <bluesabre> let me know what I can do to help organize testing :)
[02:38] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&orderby=-id&start=0 Fun times.
[02:38] <Unit193> So both of those packages are built and waiting in proposed.
[02:39] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[03:10] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 30 comment Uploaded to trusty-proposed and awaiting sru-verification.
[03:10] <xubutrello> Commenting on card ...
[03:10] <xubutrello> Added "uploaded to trusty-proposed and awaiting sru-verification." comment to "black screen bug" card
[05:38] <Unit193> slickymaster, knome: Did I forget to ping you about the updates in your system that allows you to verify the docs again? :)
[06:58] <elfy> bluesabre: not sure what you want any mail to the list to say re SRU - so just go ahead and say it to the list yourself :)
[08:12] <knome> Unit193, probably
[08:12] <Unit193> Well ping.
[08:14] <knome> well i'm off soon until monday.
[08:24] <knome> and with that, i'm off
[08:25] <knome> hf and ttyl
[09:12] <Unit193> FTR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1000416/comments/4
[18:12] <ali1234> is there any way we could ship this by default: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnotifier/
[19:02] <GridCube> i doub't any addon is "shipeable"
[19:52] <Unit193> ali1234: Normally yes, but since this is Ubuntu rather than Debian, not so much.  At least it's GPLv3.


[11:15] <TheMuso> c
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> suppose I want to work on a bug
[11:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> suppose I want it to be fixed in edgy
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> since I want to avoid an embarassed explanation to people
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> about what they should not do with their fresh ubuntu
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> even if it looks like they can do it
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where will I go?
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I already reported many bugs
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can fix one of them
[11:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's better than 0
[11:44] <Adri2000> Le-Chuck_ITA: bug number?
[11:45] <Seveas> attach your patch to the bugreport
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/67778
[11:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67778 in beagle "Search don't work with beagle" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great :)
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the patch is stupid
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> since I don't understand why "set -e"
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> makes bash exit where it should not according to the manual
[11:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however that is a workaround, removing "set -e"
[11:46] <Adri2000> hey, bug 63416
[11:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63416 in beagle "Problem with /etc/cron.daily/beagle-crawl-system" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63416
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and the bug effects are a disaster: just install beagle and you won't have search in yelp anymore
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and what should I reply when people installs ubuntu and asks "hey what's the google desktop alternative here?"
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "there's beagle but don't use it" :)
[11:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's not an answer
[11:47] <Adri2000> Le-Chuck_ITA: do you receive an email every day from cron saying that the script failed?
[11:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I meant "google desktop search"
[11:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no
[11:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ehm
[11:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do I receive mails from cron at all?
[11:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is it by default in ubuntu?
[11:47] <Adri2000> "mail" in the terminal
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> wait a moment
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "mail command not found" but...
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sudo apt-get install mailx :)
[11:48] <Adri2000> command not found?!
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no I never received any e-mail
[11:48] <Adri2000> "mail" without the quotes of course
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I received three e-mails from cron
[11:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes yes I know
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I've been using debian for years
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mailx is not installed by default
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and root mail is not sent to any user by default
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh yes
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it is sent
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry
[11:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however I have three e-mails from cron
[11:50] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and none of them has to do with the above bug
[11:51] <Adri2000> ok, but anyway bug 67778 and bug 63416 have the same fix, remove "set -e"
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67778 in beagle "Search don't work with beagle" [Low,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/67778
[11:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63416 in beagle "Problem with /etc/cron.daily/beagle-crawl-system" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/63416
[11:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok I see
[11:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> now
[11:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what are the steps to drive a fix into everybody's update system? I mean to drive a fix into an update in edgy-updates?
[11:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> can I do something different than wait?
[11:52] <Adri2000> SRU :)
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Sometimes Root is Useful???
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what does SRU mean
[11:53] <Adri2000> Stable Release Updates
[11:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> when do they happen (sorry if I waste your time)
[11:55] <Adri2000> so, someone have to create a debdiff with the fix, then be approved by the sru team to go to edgy-proposed, the package should stay there for one week, be tested (and it must be confirmed by some people that the fix works and doesn't cause any regression), then it can go in edgy-updates
[11:55] <Adri2000> the process is something like that, but I believe that it is still in discussion
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well I see that ubuntu is the most responsive distribution
[11:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but we need a way to quickly fix stuff for people
[11:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however: if I create a debdiff where do I go
[11:58] <Adri2000> attach it to the bug report
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and... is there a page about debdiff? ah ok
[11:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I found "man debdiff" but I suppose it's not it
[11:58] <Adri2000> do you know about debian packaging?
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> very little but can learn
[11:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am taking seriously this "make ubuntu conquer the world" thing
[11:59] <Adri2000> debdiff is the diff between the current package and your new package with the fix
[12:00] <Adri2000> but, you can wait for someone to do it, maybe I will find some time to take care of it
[12:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is it the diff between the two source directories? I am looking at one here: http://librarian.launchpad.net/4942734/xorg_7.1.1ubuntu6.1.debdiff
[12:00] <Adri2000> debdiff between two .dsc
[12:01] <Adri2000> and debdiff creates a diff between the whole source directory yes
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Adri2000, you're very kind but I have opened some 20 bugs and subscribed the same number
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I really want to do something about those
[12:01] <Adri2000> sources directories*
[12:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I apt-get source the current file
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> copy the source
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> modify it
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then run debdiff
[12:02] <Adri2000> no
[12:02] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Ok :)
[12:02] <Adri2000> don't directly modify the source: patch
[12:02] <Adri2000> then changelog also
[12:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[12:03] <Le-Chuck_ITA> to obtain a patch I am used to modify something then run "diff"
[12:03] <Adri2000> depends on the patch system used by the beagle package
[12:04] <Adri2000> I'm looking at it
[12:04] <Adri2000> it uses dpatch
[12:04] <Adri2000> haha, the "set -e" is added by an ubuntu patch
[12:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so the task is easier ...
[12:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hope I am not going to add an additional patch to that :)
[12:05] <Adri2000> but the patch adds also a few more linux
[12:05] <Adri2000> s/linux/lines/
[12:06] <Adri2000> I don't know if they can be removed also
[12:07] <palski> Le-Chuck_ITA: I think this a good tutorial howto create debdiffs http://wiki.debian.org/BSP/BeginnersHOWTO
[12:08] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great
[12:08] <palski> somebody else should confirm this is a valid way also in ubuntu
[12:08] <Adri2000> non maintainer upload doesn't exist in ubuntu
[12:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> by the way
[12:10] <palski> Adri2000: ok, so those are valid, but do not add "* Non-maintainer upload" to changlog?
[12:11] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well nothing (adding "configure evolution to handle the local mail by default" in my ubuntu todo list)
[12:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Tag the bug as "patch available" by sending an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:12] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what's the ubuntu equivalent?
[12:12] <Adri2000> attach the debdiff to the bug report
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there's the "this attachment is a patch" checkbox, yes I remember now
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but, finally
[12:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in this case
[12:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> should one really create a new patch to remove just the "set -e" line?
[12:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or can one edit the previous patch?
[12:15] <Adri2000> you can edit the previous patch (using dpatch-edit-patch), but if all the patch can be removed (check that), it's easier to just drop the patch
[12:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes I see
[12:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hope that I won't make a mess however I keep this for myself
[12:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this bug, I mean
[12:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for a couple of days so I will learn how to do a debdiff
[12:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> make
[12:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> a debdiff... my english is going worse every day
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> "To ensure that you get the latest source for the package check  http://incoming.debian.org and  http://packages.qa.debian.org. Go to the directory where you want to edit the source and get all the required files with   "
[12:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is there an "incoming" in ubuntu?
[12:23] <Adri2000> ftp://upload.ubuntu.com I think, but there are not a lot of new packages every day in a stable release
[12:23] <Adri2000> so you can apt-get source beagle
[12:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok, thank you
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> got to stop here now, will continue in the evening
[12:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye and thanks again
[12:27] <Adri2000> bye
[02:47] <Seveas> grmbl
[02:48] <Seveas> and AGAIN ubugtu no longer gets mail from the ubuntu-bugs mailinglist
[02:48] <Seveas> I'm SO fed upwith that
[02:49] <Seveas> sfllaw, in case you're wondering why ubugtu no longer reports new bugs ---^
[03:45] <bddebian> Boo
[04:04] <sfllaw> Seveas: Thanks.
[04:07] <Seveas> sfllaw, if you poke a random canonical sysadmin, he can probabl fi it. I won't do it this time, it's not my fault that mailman fails
[04:12] <sfllaw> Seveas: What's ubugtu's e-mail address?
[04:14] <Seveas> bugbot AT danielveldkamp.nl
[05:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> If you use wireless in Ubuntu, does the pull-down menu show the available wireless networks?
[05:34] <[Utah] tristanbob> this worked for me in Dapper, but after upgrading to Edgy it never shows the networks (using same wireless card)
[05:59] <seb128> zakame: was the duplicate Build-Depends the only change for the dia-newcanvas sync you did?
[06:42] <zakame> seb128: yes, why? the second B-D was hard-coded,
[06:46] <zakame> seb128: it was a nice candidate for  a requestsync, but I don't think its right to have a second B-D there, especially against a lower version
[06:56] <seb128> zakame: because having extra merges just because it's "cleaner" doesn't seem to be a good idea
[06:56] <seb128> zakame: dup B-D is just fine
[06:56] <seb128> that package should be sync
[06:58] <zakame> seb128: wait, it wasn't a duplicate B-D, it was a duplicate Depends
[06:59] <zakame> seb128: so you mean that, with the dup depends, then there's no way for apt to get confused by it right?
[07:46] <seb128> zakame: dup Depends is no issue, it'll just use the most restrictive one
[09:53] <Kaleo> hi everyone
[11:33] <sfllaw> Seveas: It got set to No Mail mode.
[11:33] <Seveas> why?
[11:33] <sfllaw> Seveas: Apparently, you can login to the user interface and turn that off.
[11:33] <sfllaw> We're looking into the cause now.
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #72019 in bum (universe) "UVF exeption request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/72019
[11:36] <nixternal> so we shall have mr. bugy back
[11:36] <nixternal> yay!!
[11:36] <Seveas> apparently now
[11:36] <Seveas> with the whole kit'n;caboodle of backlog as well
[11:36] <Seveas> so he'll be spammy for a while
[11:36] <nixternal> hehe
[11:37] <Seveas> sfllaw, if mailman sets a user in no-mail-mode after n undeliverable mails, make sure n is huge for -bugs
[11:37] <nixternal> Seveas: cruddy about your CDs..but did you get them yet, or are they running you in circles some more?
[11:37] <ajmitch> we're *way* out of time for that :)
[11:37] <Seveas> nixternal, they'll send them tomorrow, or I'll be making more angry phone calls. I now have the location of the package + the phone number of that depot
[11:38] <Seveas> nixternal, and I'm serious about filing a theft report as well -- it's illegally at their place for 2 weks tomorrow
[11:38] <nixternal> that is crazy
[11:38] <Seveas> it is
[11:38] <nixternal> hopefully you will get them tomorrow then
[11:38] <sfllaw> Seveas: Ng is going to check it out.
[11:38] <Seveas> not hopefully. I will.
[11:39] <nixternal> if not, open up the gates of hell, and fire down on them the wrath of Seveas (if that still works)
[11:39] <sfllaw> Seveas: But can you put Ubugtu on a reliable MX?
[11:39] <nixternal> Seveas: just remember that @lart won't work with them ;)
[11:39] <Seveas> sfllaw, he is on a reliable mx, but 3 rather expensive routers at the colo failed
[11:40] <Seveas> soh was off for a while
[11:40] <Seveas> s/soh/so he/
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71867 in libnet-server-perl (universe) "Net::Server::MultiType does not pass forward arguments" [Undecided,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/71867
[11:41] <nixternal> heh
[11:41] <sfllaw> Seveas: What about a backup MX?
[11:41] <nixternal> this is gonna get fun really quick
[11:41] <nixternal> it has all the way up to 72097 to go
[11:41] <Seveas> sfllaw, I don't have abackup server right now
[11:42] <sfllaw> Seveas: OK.  We'll see what we can do.
[11:43] <Seveas> plus, mailman should not be bouncing off users after only hours of not being reachable
[11:43] <sfllaw> Seveas: It does it after a set number of bounced messages.
[11:43] <sfllaw> Which, for ubuntu-bugs@, probably happens in a number of minutes.
[11:44] <Seveas> I wouldn't be surprised, hence my previous rem\ark about that
[11:48] <Seveas> Oh no, 2 ivoks-es
[11:49] <pygi> Seveas: :P
[11:49] <Seveas> heh, one of them got scared
[11:49] <pygi> Seveas: lol, by you :)
[11:53] <sfllaw> Seveas: Is there some way you could parse the e-mail that gets sent when you bounce a lot of mail?
[11:54] <sfllaw> And then get Ubugtu to renable his own account?
[11:54] <sfllaw> Seveas: Although that does sound pretty dodgy, doesn't it?
[11:54] <Seveas> sfllaw, ubugtu doesn't get that mail as well
[11:55] <pygi> Seveas: o right, forgot you are here :)
[11:55] <pygi> Seveas: could I please get Ubuntu in #ubuntu-burning?
[11:55] <sfllaw> Bleh.
[11:55] <Seveas> sure, http://releases.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <Seveas> pygi, in cas that reply looked weird, search for the typo in your question
[11:57] <pygi> Seveas: I got it ^_^
[11:57] <pygi> Seveas: ok, could I please get Ubugtu in #ubuntu-burning? :)
[11:58] <pygi> Seveas: the notification of new bugs to packages assigned to team, and that I can write "bug #134" and it prints me the bug desc, etc
[11:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 134 in baz "undo doesn't undo a conflict" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/134
[11:58] <pygi> Seveas: I think that's about all I need unless you know something else ^_^
[11:58] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-burning
[11:59] <Seveas> pygi, new-bug notifications will need to wait
[11:59] <pygi> Seveas: ok, thank you
[11:59] <pygi> Seveas: it's not urgent anyway
[12:00] <Seveas> first fix mail setup at new server, then move mailaccounts to my own domain (which does have a backup MX :))


[07:41] <mup> PR operator#354 closed: post-release fallback version bump <Created by chipaca> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/354>
[08:45] <jam> morning Chipaca, just in time for me to go to lunch :)
[08:45] <jam> I put up 2 posts on Discourse, feedback/edits welcome
[08:46] <Chipaca> moin moin moin
[08:46] <Chipaca> jam: reading
[09:18] <Chipaca> jam: the 'reusable components' one, maybe needs tweaking because ops.lib.use is a thing now?
[09:36] <jam> Chipaca, we could. Right now the component thing is mostly about what a component looks like. We can add ops.lib.use to it, or we can make that a separate topic
[09:41] <Chipaca> k
[10:56] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:40] <Chipaca> facubatista: a shame tabulate can't be told to print to a file
[11:41] <facubatista> Chipaca, I don't want to print to a file! unless a logger can be handled as a file?
[11:41] <Chipaca> facubatista: well, that would be my next 'shame' :-)
[11:42] <Chipaca> print(..., file=logger.info) :-)
[11:42] <facubatista> don't like that
[11:42] <facubatista> you're not pushing bytes/chars to it; it's a complex object which builds messages, etc
[11:45] <facubatista> Chipaca, what I *do* miss is: instead of doing `print("foo {} bar {}".format(a, b))`, being able to do `print("foo {} bar {}", a, b)` (and that it doesn't fail if var replacement is wrong)
[11:45] <facubatista> printl()
[11:45] <facubatista> printf!
[11:45] <Chipaca> printf, clearly
[11:45] <facubatista> oh
[11:46] <Chipaca> facubatista: ?
[11:47] <facubatista> now I'm trying to hack it into builtins :p
[11:49] <Chipaca> facubatista: it also needs a flogger module that lets you do flogger.debug('the {} is all up the {}', thing, where)
[11:50] <facubatista> Chipaca, I want to do that using logger, it's in my project list
[11:57] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, this is the refactor I promised to simplify reviews: https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/67
[11:57] <mup> PR charmcraft#67: A small refactor creating a "store api" layer between commands and the client <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/67>
[12:16] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, and the refactor about paths in build that I also commented to you: https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/68
[12:16] <mup> PR charmcraft#68: Totally avoid dealing with paths as strings <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/68>
[12:29] <Chipaca> facubatista: so productive 😲
[12:30] <facubatista> :)
[12:31] <Chipaca> jam: you coming?
[12:31] <jam> yep
[12:57] <facubatista> Chipaca, I don't "see" the benefit of using NamedTuple from typing in a not-typed project
[12:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: yeah, not that big. I started out with "how to add docstrings" and in 3.6+ you subclass NamedTuple and write a regular docstring there, but in 3.5 you still need to set __doc__ by hand
[13:00] <Chipaca> so it's a bit of a wash. Maybe just make a note to switch to NamedTuple once we drop 3.5, such that adding a docstring is nicer? (and … what i should have started with: add a docstring :-) )
[13:00] <facubatista> Chipaca, you mean, adding a docstring to User?
[13:21] <Chipaca> facubatista: PosixPath('/tmp/pytest-of-travis/pytest-0/test_validator_requirement_mul0/testfile1') != PosixPath('/tmp/pytest-of-travis/pytest-0/test_validator_requirement_mul0/testfile1')
[13:22] <Chipaca> facubatista: a.k.a. 3.5 hates you
[13:22] <Chipaca> facubatista: yes i meant adding a docstring to User
[13:46]  * Chipaca adds __head__ to all his classes
[14:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, what do you think? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j7QBhKSJtf/
[14:14] <Chipaca> facubatista: >3.5
[14:15] <facubatista> Chipaca, why?
[14:16] <Chipaca> facubatista: foo:int  is a 3.6+ thing
[14:16] <facubatista> Chipaca, mmm... so how NamedTuple works in 3.5?
[14:16]  * Chipaca points at the docs
[14:17] <Chipaca> facubatista: https://docs.python.org/3.5/library/typing.html#typing.NamedTuple
[14:18] <facubatista> Chipaca, and how that helps with the docstring?
[14:19] <Chipaca> facubatista:
[14:19] <facubatista> right
[14:19]  * facubatista opens an issue and forgets about this :p
[14:19]  * Chipaca hugs facubatista
[14:25] <facubatista> Chipaca, https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/70
[14:29] <facubatista> py3.5 super hates me: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qXcZ3wCVP3/
[14:30] <Chipaca> facubatista: You need to upgrade your VESA local bus to a MasterCard local bus.
[14:34] <facubatista> Chipaca, I configured the screen to 16 colors and the test still fails
[14:35]  * facubatista tries putting it in 320x200
[14:37] <Chipaca> facubatista: Don't worry; it's been deprecated. The new one is worse.
[16:01] <mup> Issue operator#356 opened: Support extra service names <Created by knkski> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/356>
[17:17]  * Chipaca EODs


[06:39] <benonsoftware> Hi, I'm trying to get a branch, but keep getting: bzr: ERROR: Certificate error: hostname 'anonscm.debian.org' doesn't match u'alioth.debian.org'
[06:40] <benonsoftware> Is there anyway I can get bzr to ignore the error?
[06:43] <benonsoftware> Nevermind sorry, I've gotten the branch from somewhere else
[19:13] <mark06> how can I see the diff between a merged branch and the merge itself?
[19:13] <mark06> that is, those changes you make specific for the merge, not part of the merged work itself...