[00:00] <Rastart> daftykins thank you but there is none in italian chat at the moment
[00:00] <Rastart> i tried.
[00:00] <daftykins> ok, just checking
[00:00] <daftykins> Rastart: so, nothing from "sudo fdisk -l" ? :)
[00:01] <Rastart> yeah but how can I translate it in english?
[00:01] <Rastart> so you can better help me.
[00:01] <daftykins> just share it in italian then i'll translate it
[00:01] <Rastart> thank you.
[00:01] <EriC^^> a_: oh, so your bookmarks in your pc are shown in the firefox started on the ssh-server
[00:01] <k1l> Rastart: "export LC_ALL=C" all subsequent command output will be english
[00:02] <a_> EriC^^, right
[00:03] <EriC^^> i guess it has to do with the x11 forwarding
[00:05] <EriC^^> yeah, it seems so
[00:05] <EriC^^> a_: x11 can use your home directory, it's a setting
[00:05] <EriC^^> http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.7
[00:08] <Rastart> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8711668/
[00:09] <Rastart> kll how to change it back then after this
[00:09] <daftykins> Rastart: the disk we are talking about, is it the 2TB one? sdg?
[00:09] <a_> thats interesting, so if i ssh in a host with x11 enabled, the admin is able to read my home directory, nice
[00:10] <Rastart> yeah exactly.
[00:10] <EriC^^> a_: i think you can disable it
[00:11] <Rastart> daftykins yes.
[00:11] <Jordan_U> a_: EriC^^: It is absolutely not true that using X11 forwarding gives a command running on the remote server direct access to the home directory of the local client.
[00:12] <Rastart> daftykins sometimes it stop to make noise it's weird...
[00:12] <Rastart> now it's so silent...
[00:12] <daftykins> Rastart: Rastart is this a laptop or desktop?
[00:12] <Rastart> desktop
[00:13] <daftykins> Rastart: ok lets write some data to it to start with, "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdg bs=2M count=100" listen for any sound changes
[00:14] <a_> Jordan_U, and what is the reason for the observed behavior (x11 tunneled firefox with all my local stuff)
[00:15] <EriC^^> a_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1865457
[00:16] <EriC^^> a_: an excerpt "Firefox with -no-remote option will force it to not try to talk with an existing Firefox window/process."
[00:17] <Rastart> some sound..but long interval
[00:18] <EriC^^> try /dev/urandom it should be jazzy
[00:18] <EriC^^> :P
[00:18] <daftykins> Rastart: ok run this "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools" then run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit" and share the link
[00:18] <Rastart> btw what should i do with that..
[00:18] <Rastart> with that command.
[00:18] <Rastart> it does nothing.
[00:19] <Jordan_U> a_: If you open an interactive terminal in the docker container, then run "firefox", are you returned to a prompt immediately, or are you not able to run more commands until you exit firefox?
[00:19] <daftykins> Rastart: it wrote 200MB to the disk, so it would've completed without doing much. it doesn't matter :)
[00:21] <minas114> Is it worth upgrading to ubuntu 14.10?
[00:21] <daftykins> from what?
[00:21] <daftykins> 14.04? no
[00:21] <minas114> 14.04
[00:21] <daftykins> i'd stay with the LTS goodness personally
[00:23] <a_> ok you are right
[00:23] <kahtahs_> 14.10 is still too new. at least wait a few weeks
[00:23] <minas114> daftykins, i used to upgrade in every release, but now I am considering to stay with the 14.04 until the next LTS.. I even set up my /home on a separate partition for this case (when upgrading), but I guess yeah, it's not worth the trouble. Is there a way to get the updated software though?
[00:23] <Avic> i want to install kde in ubuntu is there a recomended guide?
[00:24] <daftykins> minas114: nope
[00:24] <kahtahs_> minas114: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[00:24] <daftykins> Avic: install kubuntu-desktop
[00:24] <Avic> just that?
[00:25] <Avic> thanks
[00:26] <Jordan_U> Rastart: I'm still waiting for the output of "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit" .
[00:26] <minas114> kahtahs_, hmm, from this I understand that there is a risk that something could break
[00:27] <minas114> so what do you guys do to get latest updates / new versions when you are in an LTS release? do you use backports?
[00:27] <k1l> minas114: why do you ask us if you should upgrade? do you have a thing why you should upgrade? that is the question
[00:27] <Rastart> I'm still waiting for ubuntu to install packages :P
[00:27] <k1l> minas114: do you need the latest "stuff" at all?
[00:28] <Rastart> i had to inform before about what you were making me install too...
[00:28] <Rastart> so sorry for this delay i'll give you output as soon as you can.
[00:28] <Rastart> as I can
[00:28] <minas114> k1l, well I need latest stuff for some things. e.g firefox, thunderbird, graphics drivers
[00:28] <kahtahs_> < minas114> kahtahs_, hmm, from this I understand that there is a risk that something could break <- yes, but not that hard to revert again
[00:28] <Rastart> lol sorry my mind is somewhere else.
[00:28] <rimon> How do I get mono <IP_ADDRESS> on 14.04.1? mono-complete gives me the 3.2.8 JIT, and looking on launchpad I see <IP_ADDRESS> was superseeded by 3.2.8. But we have problems with 3.2.8, can I manually downgrade?
[00:29] <k1l> minas114: firefox and thunderbird get updates on the LTS like on every other ubunut version that is still supported
[00:29] <minas114> k1l, and new versions major versions too?
[00:29] <k1l> minas114: and on grafix drivers i would prefer a driver that actually works than the bleeding edge stuff that breaks all the time :)
[00:29] <EriC^^> rimon: you might be able to sudo apt-get install <package>=<older version>
[00:29] <rimon> EriC^^, aah I'll try
[00:30] <k1l> minas114: yes. because its to much work to back-patch all the stuff to the old version on browsers. they increase the nubmers too fast
[00:30] <minas114> k1l, good. no reason to upgrade then :)
[00:31] <kahtahs_> minas114: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[00:31] <rimon> EriC^^, "Version '<IP_ADDRESS>' for 'mono-runtime' was not found" is there a way to list all possible versions?
[00:31] <minas114> kahtahs_, thanks
[00:31] <k1l> minas114: i mean: you can upgrade. its your choice. but you need to upgrade every 6 months then until you reach a LTS again. you cant stay on one non-lts release for more than 9 months
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[00:32] <k1l> minas114: its not that LTS is like debian oldstable :)
[00:32] <minas114> k1l, yeah, I know that.. that's why I am thinking it a lot :P
[00:32] <minas114> k1l, I'll stay with LTS
[00:33] <EriC^^> rimon: there's apt-show-versions ( a package ), but i think you're going to have to mess around with repos or something to get an older version, i don't know exactly
[00:33] <rimon> EriC^^, much appreciated. I'll give it a shot
[00:33] <EriC^^> !info mono-complete
[00:33] <Rastart> daftykins, Jordan_U, plaeas wait is really slow. don't know why but it's sure another kind of problem lol
[00:33] <kahtahs_> minas114: so in Feb 2015, 14.04.2 will get 14.10's kernel and so on
[00:33] <EriC^^> !info mono-complete precise
[00:34] <EriC^^> rimon: precise has the <IP_ADDRESS> version
[00:34] <daftykins> Rastart: ok
[00:35] <Mendax1> Who else is present at this time?
[00:35] <Mendax1> Havent been on here in a while
[00:36] <Rastart> Wow!!! this is a really complete manual: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/man/smartctl.8.html
[00:36] <Avic> but i want kde desktop not kubuntu. i'm confused
[00:36] <daftykins> Mendax1: support questions only please
[00:36] <puff`> I upgraded to 14.04 recently, and I've had some mysterious stability issues.  About ten minutes ago the machine just spontaneously rebooted.
[00:36] <daftykins> Rastart: ok but could you run the actual command ;)
[00:36] <Rastart> daftykins, almost done
[00:37] <Rastart> install took long.
[00:37] <Rastart> lol
[00:37] <daftykins> Avic: thats what KDE is :)
[00:37] <puff> Hm, looking at the clock, okay, make that 60 minutes ago.  But a few minutes ago I got this popup "Sorry, ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error", I've gotten it a few times since I upgraded.
[00:37] <daftykins> ubuntu + KDE = kubuntu
[00:37] <Avic> oh
[00:37] <Mendax1> I wi bestow support unto thee
[00:38] <Avic> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ok
[00:38] <Rastart> oh damn what's happening all stopped.
[00:39] <Jordan_U> Rastart: What do you mean by "all stopped"? What was the last command you entered?
[00:39] <Rastart> I'm waiting for no good reason ..
 Rastart: ok run this "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools" then run "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit" and share the link
[00:40] <puff> It's also complaining that "You have some obsolete package versions installed.  Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs.  gir1.2-pango-1.0, libpango-1.0-0,libpango1.0-0,libpangocairo-1.0-0,libpangoft2-1.0-0,libpangoxft2-1.0-0,libxml2,python-libxml2,tzdata"
[00:40] <Rastart> ok i'm at the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools part
[00:41] <Rastart> it stopped at smartmontools installation.
[00:41] <Rastart> don't ask me why I don't know.
[00:41] <Jordan_U> Rastart: What do you mean by "it stopped"? Please pastebin the current contents of your terminal window.
[00:42] <Avic> now i need nx server to see it :-D
[00:43] <Avic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX   This is too old...
[00:43] <Abelincoln> whats up people how you chillen
[00:44] <Rastart> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8712057/
[00:44] <droolendug> cold as
[00:45] <Rastart> I hate when I'm trying to solve a problem and other problems come out from nowhere...
[00:45] <daftykins> Rastart: at a guess something is wrong with your OS disk, if it hasn't returned to a prompt yet
[00:45] <Rastart> btw...
[00:45] <daftykins> Rastart: can you come back from a booted live session? e.g. USB
[00:45] <Rastart> it's something I can't solve and i would like to thank you.
[00:46] <Jordan_U> Rastart: Just wait. It will probably continue given enough time.
[00:46] <daftykins> Jordan_U: with my respect, we don't both need to be on this one ;)
[00:47] <Abelincoln> !ops | noo owaa
[00:47] <daftykins> Pici: i was thinking of the same line XD ^5 to you!
[00:48] <Rastart> Jordan_U: i don't think it will continue..that's what I hope..
[00:48] <EriC^^> ctrl+c much?
[00:48] <Rastart> daftykins what if i close terminal and give command again?
[00:48] <daftykins> Rastart: open another terminal to run the next command
[00:48] <Avic> how can i install freenx in ubuntu 14.10?
[00:48] <Rastart> hope nothing so horrible.
[00:49] <daftykins> "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit"
[00:49] <Jordan_U> daftykins: Might want to make that "sudo LANG=C smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit".
[00:49] <drkfdr> my antivirus triggers with all those commands in here xD
[00:49] <Rastart> it does nothing.
[00:49] <Rastart> nothing.
[00:50] <EriC^^> Rastart: it must do something?
[00:50] <daftykins> Jordan_U: no thanks
[00:50] <daftykins> i don't need it in English
[00:52] <Rastart> Eric: my terminal freezed.
[00:53] <Rastart> sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit
[00:53] <Stubborn> hello all
[00:53] <EriC^^> Rastart: maybe try to reinstall smartctl?
[00:53] <EriC^^> Stubborn: hello!
[00:54] <Rastart> the process is still running.
[00:54] <Rastart> can't close terminal.
[00:54] <Rastart> :(
[00:54] <daftykins> Rastart: does it respond to ctrl+C?
[00:54] <Stubborn> :) G'day EriC^^
[00:54] <EriC^^> Stubborn: G'day :)
[00:54] <Rastart> KeyboardInterrupt.
[00:54] <Rastart> daftykins ^
[00:55] <Rastart> it says this
[00:55] <EriC^^> Rastart: are you in a tty?
[00:56] <Rastart> desktop pc.
[00:56] <EriC^^> so you're in X ?
[00:56] <Rastart> what you mean? they told me install linux linux is cool you'll have fun...
[00:57] <Rastart> well i got one thing to say.
[00:57] <OerHeks> hold on, you aborted a format :-D
[00:57] <Rastart> better if i don't.
[00:57] <EriC^^> Rastart: are you in the ctrl+alt+f1?
[00:57] <Rastart> think I'm a monkey.
[00:57] <EriC^^> Rastart: or are you in the gui ?
[00:58] <EriC^^> lol
[01:00] <daftykins> OerHeks: what are your thoughts on the format abort?
[01:00] <EriC^^> Rastart: welcome back
[01:01] <Rastart> it opened me a black screen and asked me to log in.
[01:01] <EriC^^> Rastart: are you in the tty ( the console with no graphical interface )
[01:01] <Rastart> I didn't. it restarted.
[01:01] <EriC^^> ok
[01:01] <OerHeks> daftykins, zero that disc and hope it is not-damaged, i have no reason to believe a soft kill hurts that drive
[01:01] <Rastart> have you ever been noob? I been all my life. but don't want to have troubles..why I'm having so many?
[01:02] <Rastart> what have I done to be so "unlucky"?
[01:02] <Rastart> damn.
[01:02] <daftykins> OerHeks: i'm just trying to get the user to check SMART data on it right now, but it seems the OS disk is holding up the operation :/
[01:03] <OerHeks> daftykins, i saw that yeah, but that action didn't run for minutes, also aborted too soon
[01:04] <EriC^^> Rastart: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall smartctl
[01:04] <Rastart> daftykins ok now I'm here again I dunno what exactly happened..have to make "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit smartmontools" and"sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit" again?
[01:05] <Rastart> ok i'll try. :(
[01:05] <Rastart> ^Eric^^
[01:05] <EriC^^> try what daftykins suggested earlier
[01:06] <daftykins> OerHeks: even though that's a slave disk?
[01:06] <daftykins> (that was being formatted + tested)
[01:06] <francois_> Hello
[01:06] <OerHeks> lets wait for the smrt results :-)
[01:06] <Rastart> Eric I'm in terminal.the one who comes with ubuntu...
[01:07] <Rastart> and I'm here to learn.
[01:07] <EriC^^> ok, great
[01:07] <Rastart> but I suffer when my computer suffer.
[01:08] <EriC^^> lol, are you a poet by any chance? :D
[01:08] <daftykins> Rastart: have you run anything yet?
[01:08] <francois_> francois_: Hello everyone this is my first time here
[01:08] <pathauto> wafflej0ck: Happy to report I finally sorted out the vagrant/ubuntu issues from the other day.
[01:08] <Rastart> Eric: impossible to find package
[01:08] <daftykins> i would probably run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[01:08] <Rastart> so have to make the daftykins commands again?
[01:08] <EriC^^> Rastart: yes
[01:09] <Rastart> ok doing it again.
[01:09] <Bashing-om> francois_: Hi ! Welcome, do you have a support question ?
[01:10] <francois_> How do I backup on ubuntu/
[01:10] <daftykins> !backup
[01:10] <OerHeks> ubuntu comes standard with deja-vu backup
[01:10] <francois_> I have a raid 5 Nas drive
[01:10] <jcstarken> if you have a duplicate source issue and it tells you to run sudo apt-get update to correct and you do than you get the same message again 14.04
[01:10] <blueingress> Hi, Now I am using 14.04, How Can I get to upgrade to 14.10?
[01:11] <NegativeFlare> !upgrade | blueingress
[01:12] <Rastart> Yeeeeeeah!!!
[01:12] <Rastart> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8712363/
[01:12] <EriC^^> aiy yay ya
[01:12] <k1l> blueingress: make sure you set the release prompt to normal, instead of lts
[01:13] <Rastart> but I'm feeling like there's still something wrong
[01:13] <daftykins> oh dear
[01:13] <daftykins> yeah that didn't run
[01:13] <Rastart> this is not the imput I expected.
[01:13] <daftykins> Rastart: try the same command but with /dev/sda
[01:13] <Bashing-om> jcstarken: "duplicate source issue " says you need to investigate your sources lists, looking for duplication of any source -> cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list , tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* <- .
[01:14] <Rastart> daftykins: it works with sda.
[01:14] <daftykins> want to post the link?
[01:15] <Rastart> why do you need?
[01:15] <daftykins> i know sda wasn't the target, but now i'm interested due to your earlier issues
[01:16] <jcstarken> Bashing-om: thank you
[01:17] <Rastart> ok I post it to you.
[01:18] <daftykins> Rastart: ok that disk is fine. the other one, (sdg) is it new?
[01:19] <Rastart> no..I used it then formatted it to use on this computer.
[01:19] <daftykins> Rastart: hmm. if you keep trying i assume nothing changes? do just "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg"
[01:20] <EriC^^> it mentioned something about an option to continue
[01:20] <EriC^^> if that doesn't work maybe try the option
[01:21] <Rastart> Read Device Identity failed: scsi error medium or hardware error (serious)
[01:21] <Rastart> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
[01:21] <Rastart> and it make sounds.
[01:21] <Rastart> click beep click beep click beep etc.
[01:22] <Rastart> then stop.
[01:22] <Rastart> and do click beep thing again
[01:22] <daftykins> i think you should pursue warranty options with it, Rastart
[01:22] <Rastart> 9 beep-click this time.
[01:23] <RDove> does anyone know if a PA system like a Yamaha PA powered speakers use the full amount of watts if you have the sound down pretty low, like room sound? I was gonna use them as just regular speakers in my house but trying to figure out if my electric bill will be real high
[01:23] <Rastart> 40 seconds passed
[01:23] <Rastart> 9 beep-click again.
[01:23] <EriC^^> maybe the hdd is talking to us in morris code?
[01:24] <EriC^^> :P
[01:24] <EriC^^> please.. kill.. me..
[01:24] <Rastart> ok...
[01:24] <k1l> RDove: that suits better into #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:24] <Rastart> less time passed.
[01:24] <Rastart> like 15 seconds
[01:24] <EriC^^> maybe it's saying that?
[01:24] <Rastart> and 9 beep-clicks again.
[01:24] <Rastart> again now
[01:25] <Rastart> number 9 number 9 number 9
[01:25] <Rastart> lol
[01:25] <Rastart> it's creepy.
[01:25] <daftykins> EriC^^: does that mean it mimics the sound of the Morris Minor car? ;)
[01:26] <Rastart> i don't have warranty options ...
[01:26] <Rastart> i though: "hey!!!who need warranty options?!" and threw it in bin.
[01:26] <daftykins> did you not buy this  hard disk new?
[01:27] <daftykins> just put the serial number into the manufacturer's website
[01:27] <daftykins> unless it's years old already
[01:27] <groverblue> Hey, looking for some help.  Should I post an Ubuntu Forums link, or restate my issue here?
[01:27] <Rastart> ok -t is for test.
[01:28] <daftykins> groverblue: depends how long it is :)
[01:28] <EriC^^> daftykins: :D
[01:28] <Rastart> one or more -t permissive option..
[01:28] <Jordan_U> groverblue: Give at least a short description of the problem here.
[01:28] <Rastart> what does it mean?
[01:28] <EriC^^> Rastart: it said -T, -t could be different
[01:28] <EriC^^> Rastart: it sounds like it could damage the disc or something to do the tests? i don't know..
[01:29] <Avic> Anyone can help me to install freeNX in Ubunu 14.10 please? Thank you.
[01:29] <Rastart> i feel so sad cause i dunno linux enough and I don't like troubles...I like to learn how things work...but when i have troubles i become really sad or angry...
[01:29] <Rastart> or both.
[01:29] <EriC^^> Rastart: type man smartctl , then type /-T , press N to switch to the next match
[01:30] <EriC^^> Rastart: well when you have troubles you learn more how things work
[01:30] <EriC^^> so really you should be happy right now
[01:30] <EriC^^> :P
[01:30] <groverblue> haha.  ok.  Thx.  Was running 14.04 fine on VirtualBox 4.3.16.  Upgraded to 14.10 and system stopped booting (got boot splash screen, with starting and stopping of services in background).  Tried to update VB to 4.3.18, and still get boot splash, but now no logging in background.
[01:30] <hardtail> Hi all, still trying to get Ubuntu working on my T100. Made a new bootable USB and added resolution settings, the screen still stays black when I try to proceed. Not sure what to do.
[01:31] <Rastart> i'm not happy!!! beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click !!!!
[01:31] <groverblue> starting Ubuntu in recovery mode doesn't work.  Tried the systemd trick, but can't get networking working.
[01:31] <Rastart> grrrr...
[01:31] <groverblue> This is my dev guest, so I'm screwed until i get it going again.
[01:33] <Avic> Can I use the packages for made for saucy?
[01:33] <Rastart> I feel like I'm in a submarine and i'm drowning..but first i'm feeling pressure in my ears.and the system is in failure beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click
[01:34] <Rastart> and i can't do nothing because i thrown away submarine warranty!!!!!
[01:34] <wise> Has anybody found youtube video (not audio) intermittently pauses with AMD drivers?
[01:34] <pathauto> Can someone clarify something for me? I just installed ubuntu trusty64 via vagrant and all is working fine. Standard web directory is var/www/html/. If there are files I want to put outside of the directory root, let's say var/www/, by default is this inaccessible to the public or do I need to chmod?
[01:35] <pathauto> New to linux so just getting my head wrapped around things.
[01:35] <Rastart>  beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click beep click
[01:35] <Rastart> only want to share with you my pain :(
[01:36] <xangua> Avic: saucy is no longer supported, please upgrade to a supported ubuntu release
[01:37] <groverblue> and here is my forum post if anyone can be of assistance.  Thanks.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2250279
[01:38] <Rastart> daftykins thank you for your suggestion
[01:38] <daftykins> Rastart: np
[01:38] <Rastart> btw...
[01:38] <Rastart> can I try to force creating a partition?
[01:39] <sacarlson> pathauto: you would have to change what the one of your virtual hosts point to to access /var/www directory to be seen
[01:39] <Avic> no. its not that. i have the  ubuntu 14.10 i want to install freenx, but in here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX#Installing_the_FreeNX_server_on_Ubuntu_Karmic_.289.10.29_and_higher  Only have packages untill saucy xangua
[01:40] <Fleetflame> Can someone remind me how to change how Unity handles certain file extensions?
[01:40] <Rastart> I dunno if it's still mounted btw.
[01:40] <pathauto> I found some info on it. http://nyphp.org/PHundamentals/3_PHP-Site-Structure-Where-Locate-Includes
[01:41] <Avic> should i use this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NomachineNX ?
[01:42] <daftykins> Rastart: i don't think you're doing anything with that disk anymore. try it back in the original computer it came from maybe
[01:42] <Rastart> if it's all lost...I want to try something desperate before surrender.
[01:42] <Rastart> lol
[01:42] <EriC^^> Fleetflame: right click on the file > open with > choose application > set default
[01:43] <sacarlson> Fleetflame: you mean how nautilus handles files when you double click them?
[01:43] <Rastart> the original computer doesn't exist no more.
[01:43] <daftykins> Rastart: ah ok. i must sleep now, so i must pass you to someone else :)
[01:44] <Rastart> i burnt it for overclocking experiments.
[01:44] <Rastart> :D
[01:45] <Fleetflame> sacarlson: more or less
[01:45] <sacarlson> Fleetflame: yes as eric said above me
[01:45] <hardtail> daftykins: hey do you know how to deal with black screen of death during install?
[01:45] <Rastart> daftykins thank you for everything..for your time for your patience..
[01:46] <Rastart> you been really useful even if not solved,I learnt a lot
[01:46] <daftykins> Rastart: no problem :)
[01:46] <daftykins> hardtail: it's my bedtime but...
[01:46] <daftykins> !nomodeset | hardtail try this
[01:47] <hardtail> daftykins : thanks. I tried that last night, ubuntu installed then when it asked me to reboot the screen as black all over again -.-
[01:47] <EriC^^> hardtail: which driver are you using?
[01:47] <Rastart> daftykins you so fast in giving answers to people who need your help
[01:47] <hardtail> eric^^ what does driver mean?
[01:47] <Rastart> are you a bot?
[01:47] <Rastart> :D
[01:47] <Fleetflame> sacarlson, EriC^^: Ok, I got it, but it looked more like right click > open with > "other application" > then take Archive Manager and forget association
[01:47] <EriC^^> hardtail: type lspci -v | grep VGA
[01:48] <hardtail> eric^^ I have no access to terminal
[01:48] <Fleetflame> I'm running an .exe in wine and it kept opening in Archive Manager
[01:48] <EriC^^> hardtail: try ctrl+alt+f1
[01:48] <Rastart> you know a lot you everything i would like to be if only i wasn't that dumb.
[01:48] <sacarlson> Fleetflame: I think there is a botton in the box that makes it remember for next time
[01:48] <hardtail> eric^^ the keyboard commands do not work just like last night
[01:49] <EriC^^> Fleetflame: there's something like set as default or something
[01:49] <hardtail> eric^^ all we can do is "e" to edit entries, "try" "install" "oem install" "check disc" or "c" for command-line
[01:50] <EriC^^> hardtail: did you not install ubuntu?
[01:51] <hardtail> eric^^ : last night when you told me to use nomodeset, i did in fact install ubuntu. then once it was completed it asked me to reboot. then i was back to square one black screen with no grub. i am only able to see grub because i made a new bootable usb installer
[01:52] <EriC^^> ok, so boot the new live usb with nomodeset as well
[01:52] <EriC^^> and check what's going on
[01:52] <EriC^^> what was this setup again, i recall it being hybrid
[01:52] <hardtail> eric^^ its an asus transformerbook t100
[01:52] <hardtail> i am following thi guide http://www.jfwhome.com/2014/03/07/perfect-ubuntu-or-other-linux-on-the-asus-transformer-book-t100/
[01:53] <sacarlson> EriC^^: I have an idea.  we should try make a branch of ubuntu that adds at install time a nomodeset option boot in grub for those like hardtail to boot a black screen,  what you think?
[01:55] <EriC^^> sacarlson: you mean it should have a grub entry with nomodeset already there?
[01:56] <sacarlson> EriC^^: yes, I've made other branches of ubuntu before the defaulted by adding skype.  I could also add that.  if it worked they could add it to ubuntu
[01:57] <hardtail> eric^^ i added no mode set and it shows the ubuntu splash again...
[01:58] <sacarlson> EriC^^: but better yet if it detected if a computer needed nomodeset or not, but I'm not that smart to do that
[01:59] <hardtail> eric^^ i'm in, i will do that driver command in terminal now
[01:59] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok
[02:01] <hardtail> eric^^ what info do you need? it gives me many different categories
[02:01] <EriC^^> hardtail: it should only list the VGA
[02:01] <fajung> I'm on ubuntu 14.10 x64, when I chang the window focus, sometime the Bloqnum light turnoff and with it the keyboard layout get changed, how camn I do to avoid that behavior?
[02:01] <Rastart> can someone help me with my puzzling hard disk? beep - click x9 with irregular intervals
[02:02] <hardtail> eric^^ it says usage : lspci [<switches>] and then display options menu, resolving of device ids to names menu...and so on etc
[02:02] <EriC^^> did you type lspci -v | grep VGA ?
[02:02] <Rastart> I stopped it when was formatting and now it doesn't work.wanted to know if there were something i could try to save it.
[02:04] <hardtail> eric^^ i am terribly sorry, i forgot the |..it says vga compatible controller, intel corp valleyview gen 7 vga controller
[02:04] <sacarlson> Rastart: sounds like it might be broke.
[02:04] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, type sudo parted -l
[02:04] <EriC^^> hardtail: can you paste the results in paste.ubuntu.com ?
[02:05] <AlexPortable> how do i restore gnome panel layout? i messed up
[02:05] <hardtail> sure one sec
[02:07] <Rastart> sacarlson: i deleted the ntfs partition and started to format with the new safe method (around 5 hours) but i changed my mind in 5-10 seconds and interrupted the process..
[02:07] <EriC^^> Rastart: why don't you try to format it again?
[02:07] <Rastart> it was still recognizing the device but didn't allow me to format again with the long method.
[02:08] <EriC^^> Rastart: so format with the short one
[02:08] <sacarlson> Rastart: in disk manager there is an assessment called smart that can tell if a harddisk has pending or present hardware problems
[02:08] <Rastart> was formatting using the gnome-disk-utility 3.10.0-1ubuntu3 program from interface
[02:10] <sacarlson> Rastart: I'm not sure what your actions might have caused.  but sounds like you maybe just have to start the partition format process again
[02:10] <Rastart> well they told me to make "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit"
[02:11] <Rastart> but the result was really bad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8712363/
[02:11] <sacarlson> Rastart: ya that will return us the smart data from the disk for us to view oh good
[02:11] <hardtail> eric^^ I am  unable to connect to wifi
[02:11] <hardtail> eric^^ so I can't get to pastebin on that laptop
[02:11] <Rastart> and here we are: beep-click x 9 and dunno what to do.
[02:12] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, which partitions do you see?
[02:12] <Rastart> sacarlson, EriC^^ program I used doesn't recognize the device.
[02:12] <Rastart> no more.
[02:12] <Rastart> I dunno how to make it show it again
[02:13] <Foxhoundz> Ubuntu
[02:13] <EriC^^> sudo parted -l doesn't show it?
[02:13] <Foxhoundz> it seems that apt-get can't find ffmpeg
[02:13] <Foxhoundz> what gives
[02:13] <hardtail> eric^^ fat 32, ext4,  linux-swap v1
[02:13] <Rastart> can I try from terminal? can someone help me in doing that?
[02:13] <EriC^^> !info ffmpeg
[02:13] <sacarlson> Rastart: in the future also add the command line you did to capture the data.  does and disk on the system still work now then?  it looks broken scsi error medium or hardware error (serious)
[02:13] <Foxhoundz> It installs the amazon spyware but it can't install ffmpeg?
[02:13] <EriC^^> !info ffmpeg trusty
[02:14] <Foxhoundz> >:( see
[02:14] <EriC^^> !find ffmpeg
[02:14] <Foxhoundz> oh well
[02:14] <Foxhoundz> I'll compile it from source
[02:14] <Rastart> that's the command I did. "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg | pastebinit"
[02:14] <Rastart> I told you, sacarlson.
[02:15] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, how big is the fat32 ?
[02:15] <kahtahs_> Foxhoundz: ffmpeg was forked to libav and debian followed libav, so there's now avconv instead
[02:15] <Rastart> system doesn't show it as it's mounted.
[02:15] <sacarlson> Foxhoundz: bummers I think they finaly changed the name of ffmpeg.  before they still pointed you to another package with ffmpeg
[02:15] <hardtail> eric^^ 538mb
[02:15] <kahtahs_> !info libav-tools
[02:15] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, is the partition table gpt?
[02:15] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: actually you should do some research before you claim what you did.
[02:16] <Rastart> if I go in files from interface. it doesn't show the disk. in the disk manager it doesn't show.
[02:16] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: talking baout spyware really shows you knowledge. that doesnt look good for you :/  debian did choose avconv about ffmpeg. so did ubuntu follow debian there.
[02:16] <hardtail> eric^^: i am not certain, at the top it says partition is msdos for the fat32, it says the ntfs is gpt but has 3 errors
[02:17] <Foxhoundz> k1l_: It's a known fact. Paint as you will, but it is sending my data without my explicit permission for ad delivery purposes.
[02:17] <Foxhoundz> i.e., a spyware
[02:17] <EriC^^> hardtail: the line below the disk name should say partition type: gpt
[02:17] <linuxmint> Can anyone help clarify my port forwarding? I think I'm missing a step to allow remote access to 3 local computers. pfSense port forward I set computer1IP:portNumber1, computer2IP:portNumber2, computer3IP:portNumber3. Then when I SSH to computer1, I use $ssh computer1UserName@computer1IP -p computer1PortNumber. The pfSense router then sends any received SSH traffic on port 22 to the relevant port. Do I need to change the port numb
[02:17] <linuxmint> er the LAN computer listen on?
[02:17] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: nope. you are running behind the FUD. and demanding ffmpeg and not knowing about avconv is the same
[02:18] <Rastart> and I can't use terminal well cause I'm noob and don't have enough experience with this.
[02:18] <sacarlson> Foxhoundz: k1| ya that's the one avconv  it's like ffmpeg twin branch does almost the same stuf
[02:18] <kaddi> hi, i just upgraded win8 to win8.1 and now there seems to be no grub anymore and therefore no ubuntu. Is there an easy fix for that
[02:18] <Foxhoundz> !find avconv
[02:18] <Foxhoundz> ...?
[02:18] <hardtail> eric^^ gpt i guess
[02:18] <Foxhoundz> so it's libav-tools
[02:18] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, so is this a uefi machine?
[02:18] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: yes it is.
[02:18] <Foxhoundz> ok
[02:19] <hardtail> eric^^ i believe so
[02:19] <Foxhoundz> k1l_: I still cannot believe Ubuntu decided to include that amazon thing
[02:19] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: switch it off on system settings -> privacy settings
[02:19] <Rastart> I would like to know if i can make the hard disk work again.
[02:19] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, get the disk name, and partition number for the ext4 and fat32
[02:19] <hardtail> eric^^ http://www.jfwhome.com/2014/03/07/perfect-ubuntu-or-other-linux-on-the-asus-transformer-book-t100/   should i try step 3 and 4 now?
[02:20] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: i dont think you run around calling apple, android or the browsers sypware. so stop that on ubuntu
[02:20] <Rastart> i would try everything it's a 2tb hard disk.....
[02:20] <kahtahs_> k1l_: fsf would
[02:21] <Foxhoundz> k1l_: I'm not calling it anything. The service that delivers the amazon ads is, by definition, a spyware.
[02:21] <Foxhoundz> Android does not do this. Apple does not do this.
[02:21] <sacarlson> Rastart: as I didn't see my question if other hard disks on the system still work,  I'm not sure you have a bad disk or bad controler or interface cable.  you might try it on another sata port
[02:21] <Foxhoundz> They do not actively send out their data to a third party advertising agency to deliver targeted ads.
[02:21] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: m(
[02:22] <Rastart> sacarlston i already tried it on other computers too.
[02:22] <k1l_> Foxhoundz: i think we can drop that topic then in here.
[02:22] <decci> I have 200+ servers running in my data center.  I want monitoring of  1. CPU memory utlisation 2. Disk  3. URL 4. Database 5. LDAP 6. Web Engine 7. Distributed Montoring 8. Role based administration
[02:22] <Rastart> sacarlson so this is not the problem
[02:22] <decci> What tool would be the best
[02:22] <Foxhoundz> k1l_: yeah, that's what I thought. We all have our skeletons in our closet, after all.
[02:23] <sacarlson> Rastart: it's a problem yes most lickly it's the disk but you can try that first
[02:23] <hardtail> eric^^ they are partition number 1 for fat 32 and ext4 is 2, the names are blank
[02:23] <EriC^^> is the disk name /dev/sda ?
[02:24] <Rastart> Eric^^ who are you talking to?
[02:24] <EriC^^> Rastart: hardtail
[02:24] <hardtail> eric^^ for msdos fat 32 i think so.
[02:24] <Rastart> ok sorry ..keywords you know...
[02:24] <Rastart> lol
[02:25] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, type sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[02:25] <kahtahs_> decci: did you look into nagios?
[02:25] <sacarlson> Rastart: oh ok tired it on another computer well that's about it then.  give it to a friend as a gift.  tell him it has some cool videos on it he should want to watch,  that will make sure it's broken and if it's not your freind owes you another gift on your birthday
[02:25] <hardtail> eric^^ does not exist
[02:25] <EriC^^> hardtail: hmm
[02:25] <decci> kahtahs_: Nagios has pain of running nagios agent running on all client
[02:26] <sai> hello. wanna ask some off-topic question, i'm trying to compile gtk3 app on xubuntu, but failed with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/8713078/ message
[02:26] <decci> kahtahs_: any script available which can get monitoring?
[02:26] <hardtail> eric^^ did you see the link i sent you? do you think that needs to be done first?
[02:26] <EriC^^> hardtail: type sudo blkid | grep ext
[02:26] <hardtail> eric^^ i just find it interesting that in his guide he had no issues with 'nomodeset' ok one second sir
[02:26] <EriC^^> what's the first name it gives
[02:26] <sacarlson> EriC^^:  change your name I can't find that ^ over the 6 hard for me to find ha ha
[02:27] <lizzie_> my sound was working, and all of a sudden it stopped... can someone please point me in the right direction for a fix?
[02:27] <hardtail> eric^^ nothing is returned...just a blank line lol
[02:27] <EriC^^> sacarlson: just use tab-completion
[02:28] <EriC^^> hardtail: ok, type sudo blkid
[02:28] <sacarlson> EriC I did that and get this
[02:28] <EriC^^> do you get anything about ext ?
[02:28] <hardtail> eric^^ it's like something is wrong with the terminal, lines no longer start with ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[02:28] <EriC^^> sacarlson: file a bug to your irc client's developer :P
[02:28] <hardtail> it won't accept commands
[02:29] <EriC^^> hardtail: type reset
[02:29] <EriC^^> wait
[02:29] <EriC^^> do they start with > ?
[02:29] <hardtail> eric^^ doesn't do anything
[02:29] <hardtail> eric^^ no, the lines are completely blank, they start with nothing
[02:29] <EriC^^> odd
[02:29] <hardtail> new terminal?
[02:29] <EriC^^> close it and open another i guess
[02:29] <EriC^^> yeah
[02:30] <hardtail> typed sudo blkid and it did the same thing
[02:30] <hardtail> flashing square
[02:30] <Rastart> sacarlson nice idea..but I prefer to watch my own videos..i don't think i have so close friends.
[02:30] <EriC^^> hardtail: odd
[02:30] <EriC^^> try efibootmgr -v
[02:30] <EriC^^> does it mention anything about ubuntu?
[02:31] <sacarlson> Rastart: ok give it to your enimy then
[02:31] <hardtail> it says the program is not installed Eric^^ and i can install it, but i have no wifi lol
[02:31] <EriC^^> hehe
[02:31] <kahtahs_> decci: script? something like sensu maybe
[02:32] <EriC^^> hardtail: try lsblk
[02:32] <hardtail> eric^^ ok. what do you need?
[02:32] <EriC^^> can you identify the size of the ext partition?
[02:32] <decci> kahtahs_: sensu...looks good..is it free
[02:33] <decci> kahtahs_: Its not free
[02:33] <Rastart> sacarlson so you telling me there's nothing I can do..
[02:33] <hardtail> eric^^ sda is 7.8gb ....... mmcblk0 is 29gb
[02:33] <Rastart> to keep my hard disk for my personal use?
[02:34] <EriC^^> hardtail: in sudo parted -l , how big was the ext one?
[02:34] <Avic> can anyone help me with this guide please?
[02:35] <Avic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NomachineNX
[02:35] <hardtail> eric^^ it won't load anymore :S
[02:35] <Avic> Change the owner of the nx user public key on the server
[02:35] <Avic> sudo chown nx:root /usr/NX/home/nx/.ssh/authorized_keys2
[02:36] <EriC^^> hardtail: yikes
[02:36] <Avic> chown: cannot access ‘/usr/NX/home/nx/.ssh/authorized_keys2’: No such file or directory
[02:36] <sacarlson> Rastart: sounds like you gave it a good try assuming you see the same on both computers as it fails to comunicate on the interface anymore.  some of the info gave me may have been misunderstood so...
[02:36] <hardtail> eric^^ it loaded now but not the same as before, just the fat32 and ntfs are there
[02:37] <Rastart> no it is recognized by terminal
[02:37] <Rastart> someway
[02:37] <Rastart> i dunno they told me to do something to list devices
[02:38] <Rastart> and that hard disk was shown
[02:39] <Rastart> then they told me to do "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdg"
[02:39] <Rastart> and it told me  http://paste.ubuntu.com/8712363/
[02:40] <crocket> How do I apply /etc/network/interfaces after adding a bridge on ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[02:40] <Rastart> I think for some reason i can't do from interface...
[02:40] <crocket> "/etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't apply it.
[02:40] <Rastart> i need someone who is good with terminal to help me out
[02:40] <crocket> "restart networking" fails, too.
[02:40] <decci> I have  a website and I want to add chat windows into my website
[02:40] <decci> What tool do you recommend
[02:41] <sacarlson> Rastart: you might try disk manager to see how it see's it
[02:41] <reisio> decci: I don't
[02:41] <decci> reisio: Thanks
[02:42] <ki7mt> crocket, try: sudo service network-manager restart
[02:42] <crocket> ki7mt, It doesn't have network-manager.
[02:42] <ki7mt> crocket, Ok, well, that aint gonna work then :-) .. what does it have ?
[02:42] <crocket> networking service
[02:43] <crocket> ki7mt, As I said above
[02:43] <AlexPortable> when i rightclick with alt on the top panel in gnome fallback, i get the menu like i'm clicking an application, even while i have nothing open
[02:43] <AlexPortable> how can i find out which program causes this and how can i fix it?
[02:44] <Rastart> i'm installing partitionmanager 1.0.3-2ubuntu2
[02:44] <Rastart> see if i'm lucky this time
[02:48] <ki7mt> crocket, Is this a server or desktop install
[02:48] <Rastart> installing gparted 0.18.0-1 too
[02:48] <crocket> ki7mt, server
[02:48] <Rastart> trying some randomly.
[02:48] <ki7mt> crocket, more info: http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Network-Bridge.html
[02:48] <sacarlson> Rastart: gnome-disks  might already be installed  it was the default disk manager
[02:49] <lizzie_> my sound was working, and all of a sudden it stopped... can someone please point me in the right direction for a fix?
[02:50] <Rastart> yeah and it doesn't recognize the hard disk
[02:50] <sacarlson> Rastart: nothing like a broken disk drive to teach you everything you did and didn't even want to know about disk drives ha ha
[02:50] <ki7mt> crocket, And here another, that seems more normal with naming: http://theurbanpenguin.com/wp/?p=2767
[02:51] <Rastart> sacarlson: well it was showing...then i clicked something and...
[02:53] <Rastart> OK!!!!
[02:53] <Rastart> i got sdg with gparted
[02:53] <Rastart> it shows me it.
[02:54] <Rastart> so i suppose there's still something i can do.
[02:54] <Rastart> it shows me the 2 tb partition and tells me that is not allocated
[02:54] <sacarlson> crocket: can we see how you attempted to add the bridge with a paistbin of /etc/networks or whatever you did?
[02:55] <Rastart> it tells me that disk tag is not recognized.
[02:55] <crocket> sacarlson, ki7mt : https://bpaste.net/show/d1432d23da92
[02:55] <crocket> It is /etc/network/interfaces
[02:56] <sacarlson> Rastart: oh that good progress now just partition and format it or if data on it you want fsck to fix it
[02:57] <sacarlson> crocket: cool it's been some time since I setup a bridge so will take me a bit
[02:57] <ki7mt> crocket, compare your setup with the second post I sent above.
[02:58] <Rastart> how to make a good fsck without create other damages?=
[02:58] <crocket> ki7mt, http://theurbanpenguin.com/wp/?p=2767 doesn't work on ubuntu server 14.04.1 LTS
[02:59] <reisio> Rastart: shutdown -F
[02:59] <ki7mt> crocket, which part isn't not working, how far do you get before it fails.
[03:00] <crocket> ki7mt, networking is now an upstart service.
[03:00] <crocket> The article assumes it is an sysvinit script.
[03:00] <crocket> "restart networking" fails, too.
[03:00] <Rastart> reisio: thank you.
[03:01] <Rastart> :)
[03:02] <ki7mt> crocket, Ok, set according to the manpage for 14.04 then, then reboot if that's the only way you can get it to restart: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/bridge-utils-interfaces.5.html
[03:02] <reisio> Rastart: :)
[03:02] <Rastart> damn I'm creating a partition
[03:02] <sacarlson> crocket: if your going to bridge ports don't you need at least two nics to bridge?  like bridge_ports eth0 eth1
[03:02] <Rastart> finally after hours of work
[03:03] <Rastart> now let me try the shutdown stuff.
[03:03] <Rastart> :D
[03:03] <reisio> Rastart: yayz
[03:03] <reisio> Rastart: you can probably just mount -o remount,ro /, too, but don't quote me on that
[03:03] <ki7mt> crocket, and sudo service networking restart should work on a 14.04 server, if it doesn't, you have something else amiss.
[03:04] <sacarlson> Rastart: see you would have made the friend you gave it too very happy after all and he would no longer be your enimy.   no good work!
[03:05] <Rastart> I'm working while the hard disk keep doing beep-click.
[03:05] <reisio> if your hard disk is clicking, just replace it
[03:05] <sacarlson> reisio: he's like me he never wants to throw anything away Rastart
[03:06] <reisio> you don't have to throw it away
[03:06] <Rastart> reisio i'll replace it when it will explode
[03:06] <Rastart> it's a 2tb hard disk
[03:06] <Rastart> I used it for not more than 1 year.
[03:06] <Rastart> and i haven't used it enough
[03:07] <sacarlson> reisio: 2tb Rastart and us boys must know what that's good for
[03:07] <Rastart> putting videos in it.
[03:08] <reisio> sacarlson: eh?
[03:09] <lenin> hi
[03:09] <Rastart> i feel like is ready to explode
[03:09] <Rastart> but I don't want to surrender
[03:09] <crocket> Somehow, /etc/init/networking.conf can't stop networking.
[03:11] <ki7mt> crocket, reboot the box, then see if you can control networking <start, stop, etc>
[03:11] <ki7mt> crocket, you should the interface is up and running properly.
[03:12] <ki7mt> should also check the interface .. ..
[03:12] <graamont> so hard to password recovery in gmail
[03:12] <adante> should try skype
[03:14] <Rastart> damn...
[03:14] <Rastart> interrupted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[03:14] <reisio> adante: http://talky.io/
[03:14] <Rastart> wait must try some more physical approach
[03:14] <Rastart> see you later.
[03:17] <sacarlson> crocket: it's been so long ago since I used bridging I think it must have changed as this is more the way I did it back in the day https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge
[03:19] <dylan> kodi
[03:24] <crocket> sacarlson, ki7mt : I found the secret of managing network interfaces on ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[03:24] <crocket> I can't use /etc/init.d/networking if upstart is the init deamon.
[03:24] <crocket> I can't use /etc/init/networking.conf to manage interfaces.
[03:24] <crocket> I can use /etc/init/network-interface.conf to manage individual interface.
[03:25] <ki7mt> crocket, ok
[03:25] <crocket> I could invoke "ifup" or "ifdown" on an interface.
[03:26] <sacarlson> crocket: very good.  but at times ifup and ifdown fails for me and I revert back to old method of ifconfig eth0 down  ; ifconfig eth0 up ;
[03:26] <crocket> So!!!
[03:26] <rodroma>  /JOIN #debian
[03:27] <crocket> debian doesn't use upstart.
[03:27] <crocket> Or does it
[03:27] <rodroma> lol
[03:27] <crocket> ok
[03:27] <crocket> I thought ubuntu was the only one using it.
[03:28] <crocket> Ubuntu and debian will adopt systemd soon.
[03:29] <sacarlson> crocket: I just put it all in my own scripts and bypass both methods /etc/init/ /etc/init.d  to be safe
[03:29] <karunamon> Hi folks - I've got a 14.04 server here (No X) that shows grub correctly but then drops to a black screen where i should be seeing a login prompt. Adding 'nomodeset' to the boot params gives me a working terminal, but scrolling on it is super slow. Any idea how I can speed that up?
[03:30] <reisio> karunamon: is the text big?
[03:30] <ki7mt> sacarlson, something is still amiss though, as I've never used ifup / ifdown to control nics on a sever install
[03:31] <karunamon> reisio: It starts out that way where it says "INIT: Version etc booting", then immediately shrinks and slows down
[03:32] <karunamon> I'm almost certain that the mode that's being chosen is too high for the monitor i've got connected (which maxes at 1024x768), i'm just not sure where it's getting its settings from after Grub picks up
[03:32] <karunamon> *drops off, that is
[03:33] <sacarlson> ki7mt: I think ifup ifdown should work if you don't mix it with ifconfig eth0 up |down . as why I get errors I guess
[03:33] <reisio> karunamon: if it shrinks, it's adding overhead to do so
[03:33] <reisio> karunamon: part of why kms by default is stupid
[03:33] <reisio> I hate that approach
[03:33]  * reisio stabs kernel guys
[03:34] <karunamon> Heh.. this particular bugbear is one that i've been fighting with for a long time
[03:34] <karunamon> except now I don't have an extra screen to connect to work around it :/
[03:34] <reisio> ssh
[03:35] <karunamon> i mean I don't have an extra screen to replace the system console with
[03:35] <karunamon> (and sorry to that guy I just highlighted)
[03:36] <karunamon> so the console I have now is 1024x768x32 according to `fbset`
[03:36] <karunamon> which is the right res for the monitor, but why is scrolling so bloody slow?
[03:37] <reisio> 'cause you disabled the native, best support
[03:38] <reisio> and it's much larger than it needs to be
[03:38] <reisio> why aren't you using X?
[03:39] <karunamon> way too much overhead - this is a server after all
[03:39] <sacarlson> karunamon: so just ssh into it from your nice X
[03:40] <karunamon> :) I'd like to actually fix this though
[03:40] <karunamon> for whatever it's worth, CentOS on the same machine doesn't behave like that. I still get the nice framebuffer at 1024x768, but it's accelerated like you'd expect
[03:40] <karunamon> I just am not familiar enough with the linux/ubuntu internals to divine what is happening differently here
[03:42] <Surendil> night people
[03:42] <sacarlson> karunamon: does it change video mode if you do a <ctl> <alt> f2  ....f3 ... f4?
[03:43] <karunamon> sacarlson: Nope.
[03:43] <karunamon> though the refresh is slow enough you can actually see it repaint the screen from top to bottom. It's a neat effect :P
[03:43] <sacarlson> karunamon: ok so I would guess it's always at the grafic mode then
[03:58] <tomas> hola a todos mi nombres es Tomas
[03:58] <Guest17794> y soy de chile
[03:59] <reisio> no soy condor
[04:00] <sacarlson> karunamon: I think your running vga=XXX at some wrong setting in grub try some other codes as seen here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/archtoad6-147095/vga-resolution-codes-for-grub-and-lilo-830/
[04:01] <sacarlson> karunamon: if those have no effect then I guess your in some weard graphic mode I've never seen
[04:01] <karunamon> oh wow, I thought all of that stuff was deprecated and unusable
[04:01] <karunamon> ok, let me mess around with that a bit
[04:03] <niop>  hi, i have ubuntu (running docker), and on trying to install apache2 get an error on start, not uncommon it seems, make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80.  diagnostic info in gist https://gist.github.com/anonymous/781a458164b501ae6f2d.  wondering why so many nginx processes listed? might be causing apache2 error.
[04:05] <karunamon> so far doing 'nomodeset vga=771' makes it the fastest
[04:05] <karunamon> it's still got scroll lag, but it's bearable
[04:05] <SonikkuAmerica> vga= is deprecated, you should use "set gfxpayload=" instead.
[04:08] <reisio> I wouldn't use either
[04:08] <reisio> if you want graphics, use X
[04:08] <reisio> if you want a big non-X term, remote in
[04:09] <karunamon> unfortunately neither of those things deal with the problem of having a usable system console
[04:09] <karunamon> if networking gets borked, i'm going to destroy the keyboard banging my head on it within 5 seconds in the default nomodeset mode
[04:09] <somsip> niop: if nginx is already bound to :80 (which it is according to netstat) than apache won't be able to bind to it. You need to proxy one server through the other
[04:10] <karunamon> but out of curiosity, @reisio, what's a good mostly-keyboard-driven WM?
[04:12] <reisio> karunamon: wmii
[04:12] <niop> somsip: ok.. apparently discovered that as nginx is being used, that apache2 isn't needed.  was following a instruction set and hence there why trying to add apache2 in, unnecessarily. thanks
[04:12] <reisio> karunamon: just disable framebuffer entirely, it's all overhead
[04:12] <karunamon> reisio: 'nofb' in the kernel flags?
[04:13] <eaglgenes101> Ihave zero clue why I'm here
[04:13] <reisio> karunamon: probably something in that default grub file
[04:13] <reisio> is the way you're meant to do it
[04:16] <sacarlson> karunamon: I found more codes that might be better if they number is less than 0x200 it should be in the vga mode that should I think be the faster https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt
[04:18] <sacarlson> karunamon: ya and as SonikkuAmerica states I read at some points at least for some grafic cards that vga codes are depricated
[04:23] <Foxhoundz> eaglgenes101: because of me
[04:24] <eaglgenes101> um ok im outta here
[04:25] <sacarlson> niop: sounds like you have some other application listening on port 80 try  sudo netstat -pant  ;  to find out what it is
[04:29] <niop> some useful output there by the look of it. not quite sure what it means exactly as yet, but something to work on.  thanks
[04:36] <sacarlson> niop: so your not going to show it to us?  also I should assume you read and follow the docker.io instructions and about it's lack of support for other than amd64 platform
[04:38] <sacarlson> niop: sorry I was reading and missed some stuf you already provided
[04:39] <niop> actually i didn't know that. but the host provider, digital ocean, provides "droplets" with docker installed.  so it would seem it doesn't see too much of a problem with docker running on it's ubuntu machines.
[04:40] <niop> amd though being the hardware.. i guess digitalocean uses intel or something other than amd.
[04:40] <niop> *sorry, uses amd.
[04:40] <sacarlson> niop: no amd64 is 64bit mode it also runs on intel
[04:42] <niop> there's a few things listed in the netstat output, but as long apache2 inst' installed, which wouldnt' seem is necessary with nginx, the error doesn't happen, and that being so could save myself the trouble of figuring out what things listed in that output are there.
[04:42] <niop> ic.. as it happens it's a 64 bit ubuntu setup.. so that's one less thing to worry about.
[04:43] <sacarlson> niop: ya sounds like your set, if nginx will work for your app your good to go
[04:44] <niop> other than the grammar of course. but fortunately this is a coding forum ;)
[04:45] <sacarlson> niop: I've never used docker.io but it sounds like it basicly replaces the need for apt-get.  if done correctly it should have installed everything needed for you
[04:47] <niop> setting up an ssl cert.  there seems to be the host environment of docker, the ubuntu ssystem in which docker is running, and the containers that docker is responsible for.
[04:47] <niop> the ssl stuff seems to be happening on the outside of docker.  i guess.
[04:50] <niop> not quite sure of the complete detailed picture as yet, but it tends to come about piecemeal and gradually.  unless one has the luxury to cover texts or extended tutes.
[04:52] <niop> the fun is going to come i expect when setting up in addition to an http server running in a node.js container, a push notification server running in another container. possible issues with ports.
[05:02] <niop> sacarlson: actually, appears not quite going.  apache2 is required in the next part of the instructions for setting up ssl cert. for this cmd: sudo a2enmod ssl
[05:03] <niop> not sure why nginx is running in the host.. it might run in the docker container, but wouldn't see why necessary outside the container. any ideas?
[05:05] <scx> Hello
[05:05] <scx> Does anyone know what this is?: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/10/28/antena_8.jpg
[05:06] <scx> (what kind of antenna connector)
[05:09] <gr33n7007h> scx, looks a bit like a rp-sma connector, I maybe wrong
[05:10] <niop> sacarlson: output of output of netstat -pant, that you mentioned before. nginx is using port 80, which is why apache2 wont start up.  i guess that's nginx running in a docker container. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/07d43d15deb29d34a1a0   there must be a nginx way of activating ssl, rather than through apache2.
[05:11] <scx> gr33n7007h: thanks
[05:11] <Asli_Nakli> HHI
[05:11] <Asli_Nakli> Hi
[05:12] <Asli_Nakli>  i am having key board lag in ubuntu 14.04
[05:12] <Asli_Nakli> please help me
[05:13] <sacarlson> niop: yes nginx also supports ssl port with certs.  I'm not sure how it should be handled with your docker.io or not http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/configuring_https_servers.html
[05:14] <niop> ta
[05:17] <pzkpfw> Is there a spyware/adware/tracking software scan program for ubuntu? Is one even useful?
[05:22] <bazhang> pzkpfw, firefox has some adblock extensions
[05:22] <pzkpfw> yeah I use those, donottrack, google/fb/twitter disconnect already
[05:22] <pzkpfw> referrer control
[05:22] <bazhang> pzkpfw, ghostery and noscript as well
[05:22] <pzkpfw> noscript usually ends up messing with too much content if I remember
[05:23] <pzkpfw> I'll check out ghostery
[05:23] <bazhang> pzkpfw, there is also a flash cookie blocker/deletion tool
[05:23] <pzkpfw> thanks baz
[05:23] <pzkpfw> bazhang,
[05:23] <bazhang> np
[05:44] <vastkahuna> how do i check ubuntu in the terminal for broken or missing packages?
[05:48] <vastkahuna> Can somebody help me?
[05:51] <Flannel> vastkahuna: There's a few ways to do variations on that theme.  `apt-get check` would probably work, or `apt-get --dry-run update` should both tell you about issues.
[05:56] <vastkahuna> I got nothing from that, is there a step I'm missing?
[06:09] <sagar__> Hi everyone, I was upgrading my machine from 14.04 to 14.10 but it got stuck at some point and I have rebooted it...now when I enter the password nothing happens next
[06:09] <sagar__> can anyone help me How to solve this issue ?
[06:09] <pzkpfw> I had problems with this as well
[06:09] <pzkpfw> Reinstall didn't help either
[06:09] <pzkpfw> I don't remember how it eventually worked :/
[06:10] <pzkpfw> I think one time I reinstalled it and it started working
[06:10] <pzkpfw> It's a 2008 Thinkpad T61
[06:10] <pzkpfw> sagar__,
[06:10] <sagar__> pzkpfw yes
[06:10] <Seveas> sagar__: log into recovery mode, and do dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:10] <Seveas> and repeat until none of them throw errors
[06:10] <pzkpfw> ^that's what I did
[06:10] <pzkpfw> hah
[06:12] <sagar__> Seveas while installing the ubuntu-desktop it is saying you have unmet dependancies ..
[06:14] <Seveas> sagar__: did you do all the other commands?
[06:14] <sagar__> yes
[06:14] <Seveas> do them again. Do they throw errors as well?
[06:15] <sagar__> Seveas no they don't throw any errors
[06:15] <Seveas> odd. What are the unmet dependencies?
[06:16] <sagar__> Seveas Depends : ubuntu-session  recommends : empathy
[06:17] <lizzie_> my sound was working, and all of a sudden it stopped... can someone please point me in the right direction for a fix?
[06:17] <Seveas> sagar__: pastebin your sources.list and the contents of sources.list.d please
[06:18] <sagar__> Seveas yeah give me a min :)
[06:18] <moritzs> i've got a horrible rendering performance with XMonad after upgrading to 14.10 e.g. chrome stutters while scrolling. CPU governance is on performance, i've got an i7 4xxx. someone has an advice to track the issue?
[06:18] <lizzie_> alsamixer is set to HDA intel HDMI
[06:22] <sagar__> Seveas : here : http://fpaste.org/145702/77223141/
[06:26] <sagar__> seveas you need the contents of the dir source.list.d ?
[06:28] <slyrus> moritzs: what kind of video card/gpu?
[06:30] <moritzs> slyrus, intel iri 5200
[06:30]  * lizzie_ points to her query, which is ahead of mortizs
[06:30] <sagar__> Seveas here : http://fpaste.org/145704/47781114/
[06:30] <moritzs> i made a gl benchmark and it looks  good
[06:30] <lizzie_> i'm jus' sayin'
[06:31] <slyrus> hrm.... I had similar problems with an nvidia gpu that went away after reinstalling the nvidia drivers. sounds like a different (but maybe similar?) problem here.
[06:31] <Seveas> sagar__: are there any repsoitories in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.d that have not been disabled?
[06:31] <Seveas> if so, disable them and retry
[06:31] <moritzs> lizzie_, you're not talking with me, right?
[06:31] <Seveas> if it still fails, apt-get install the failing dependency to dig deeper
[06:32] <moritzs> slyrus, do you think it's an issue of graphics card?
[06:32] <slyrus> graphics drivers
[06:32] <ZZRMike> I'm trying to grep against some files for text in between an opening and closing tag in an xml file, but I can't for the life of me figure out the syntax for it. Can anyone help me?
[06:33] <slyrus> in my case it seemed as if the GPU wasn't being properly utilized -- somewhat analogous to the low-graphics mode, although the resolution was actually OK.
[06:34] <slyrus> ZZRMike: use an XML parsing tool?
[06:34] <FilthyMacNasty> I lost my grip on grep
[06:34] <Seveas> ZZRMike: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags
[06:34] <ZZRMike> Right after I asked I found something that worked, thanks :)
[06:34] <lizzie_> and aplay -l gives me both:  card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 0: VT1802 Analog [VT1802 Analog] AND card 1: PCH [HDA Intel PCH], device 2: VT1802 Alt Analog [VT1802 Alt Analog]
[06:35] <lizzie_> wow, seriously, i'd think i was invisible, except that mortiz spoke to me
[06:36] <somsip> lizzie_: it's not a queuing system here. It depends on who knows the answer and can help.
[06:36] <FilthyMacNasty> lizzie_: poke..nope youre there
[06:36] <sagar__> Seveas I didn't get you :(
[06:37] <FilthyMacNasty> lizzie_: what seems to be bothering you today?
[06:37] <vastkahuna> I think I have missing or broken packages in ubuntu, how do I fix?
[06:38] <FilthyMacNasty> vastkahuna: open terminal type sudo apt-get -f install, then password and y
[06:39] <lizzie_> FilthyMacNasty no sound
[06:39] <FilthyMacNasty> version of ubuntu?
[06:39] <lizzie_> 14.04
[06:40] <FilthyMacNasty> http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1404/
[06:40] <lizzie_> FilthyMacNasty *beam* thankee
[06:41] <FilthyMacNasty> amazing what google no sound ubuntu 14.04 will bring up
[06:41] <lizzie_> FilthyMacNasty, oh, i neglected to say that i'd already tried that
[06:41] <lizzie_> so thanks anyway
[06:41] <vastkahuna> This is what i got,http://pastebin.com/0bbAumb5
[06:42] <lizzie_> and, FilthyMacNasty ... sarcasm noted
[06:42] <somsip> vastkahuna: so why do you think you have broken packages?
[06:42] <sagar__> Seveas How to check that the repos are not disabled ?
[06:42] <FilthyMacNasty> then nothing is broken
[06:43] <lizzie_> FilthyMacNasty,  that fix had to do with a new install.. i have not done a new install, and sound worked until a week ago
[06:43] <vastkahuna> My cd's won't play but I have sound otherwise, plus when I finished upgrading ubuntu it said some things failed to upload
[06:44] <FilthyMacNasty> do you keep your /home on a seperate partition?
[06:44] <somsip> vastkahuna: what things?
[06:45] <vastkahuna> I don't know but I think it may have to do with my cd/dvd player
[06:46] <vastkahuna> Also I tried to run updates earlier and it failed
[06:46] <somsip> vastkahuna: log in /var/log/apt/history.log and check
[06:46] <somsip> *look in
[06:46] <somsip> vastkahuna: update just worked fine though didn't it?
[06:46] <makara> hi. I want 14.04 to detect and automount my Kindle Fire HDX when I plug it in. Usually I have to open gmtp and use that interface to transfer files :(
[06:47] <vastkahuna> No update did not work
[06:47] <somsip> vastkahuna: post the error message? *paste* the error message in paste.ubuntu.com
[06:49] <lizzie_> Filthy, so you don't know?
[06:49] <FilthyMacNasty> I'm drilling down through google and I'm no help
[06:50] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/mBaraJe3
[06:51] <sagar__> Seveas ping
[06:52] <hateball> lizzie_: are you trying to have sound through internal speakers or over HDMI?
[06:53] <somsip> vastkahuna: so a PPA you are using is not responding. Try disabling it if you want to update cleanly.
[06:53] <hateball> lizzie_: I'm asking, because by default I think HDMI is muted unless you also send video over hdmi
[06:53] <hateball> lizzie_: On Intel HD*
[06:53] <somsip> vastkahuna: but if it provides packages that replace official packages you could be in a mess and may need to use !ppa-purge
[06:53] <vastkahuna> How do I do this?
[06:54] <somsip> vastkahuna: do what?
[06:54] <vastkahuna> Disable non responsive ppa
[06:55] <somsip> vastkahuna: rename the files in /etc/apt-get/sources.d
[06:57] <geirha> aye, renaming it from "foo.list" to "foo.list.disabled" will disable the ppa
[06:59] <vastkahuna> I don't know how to do that, renaming files, what command do i use?
[06:59] <lizzie_> hateball,  why would it have recently reset itself?
[06:59] <lizzie_> and, hateball , how do i discern between internal speakers and hdmi?
[07:01] <sagar__> Seveas disabled and tried again but no luck :(
[07:01] <hateball> lizzie_: Dunno, broken package? Also I don't know how you can tell in Unitys volume-applet, I run KDE Plasma
[07:01] <hateball> lizzie_: I was just wondering if it was the same behavior, might be easier to google
[07:02] <lizzie_> hateball, my sound is set to digital stereo hdmi output
[07:02] <lizzie_> hateball, thanks for the input
[07:05] <evilbug> do you think ubuntu server would run on a raspberry pi?
[07:05] <somsip> evilbug: there is no version of ubuntu for pi
[07:05] <evilbug> ah.
[07:06] <sacarlson> somsip: evilbug  oh I thought raspberry pi would run ubuntu I'll have to look
[07:07] <evilbug> sacarlson: it runs debian, i know that.
[07:08] <somsip> sacarlson: there is no version of ubuntu for the pi
[07:08] <evilbug> that's sad :(
[07:08] <Farva> On our one server machine, we are running a few different IPs, on one IP, everyone connects just fine (iftop example-http://gyazo.com/2e962762f24c46a4b533a953aed9bc95), on the other, there are a few that are lagging heavily. (same person on the other IP: http://gyazo.com/3837b0e2aec3339ca045078ca9765dd8) How do I trouble shoot this?
[07:09] <somsip> evilbug: if you're so sad about it, contribute here https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu
[07:09] <somsip> evilbug: but this is offtopic here so continue in #ubuntu-offtopic if you wish to
[07:09] <vastkahuna> How do I disable non responsive ppa?
[07:13] <sacarlson> somsip: evilbug ya your right as ubuntu doesn't have binary repository that support ARMv6 only ARMv7 and up,  but debian is close enuf as it does support ARMv6
[07:14] <evilbug> sacarlson: righty-o. i'm currently running ubuntu server on my eeepc home server and considering retiring it for a pi.
[07:14] <somsip> evilbug: Raspian is your (offtopic) solution
[07:14] <wutang> hello
[07:15] <evilbug> somsip: yup, got that.
[07:17] <wutang> can someone help me with the install im doing on an install with a pc that lacks a optical drive and then ps/2  port?
[07:17] <Farva> On our one server machine, we are running a few different IPs, on one IP, everyone connects just fine (iftop example-http://gyazo.com/2e962762f24c46a4b533a953aed9bc95), on the other, there are a few that are lagging heavily. (same person on the other IP: http://gyazo.com/3837b0e2aec3339ca045078ca9765dd8) How do I trouble shoot this?
[07:18] <somsip> wutang: describe your problem and people will help if they can
[07:18] <sacarlson> Farva: I was still trying to determine the format of what I was looking and and what was even sent
[07:19] <wutang> what it is, whenever i try to install ubuntu studio, i get the error of no controller found
[07:19] <Farva> its a gaming server
[07:19] <wutang> i think i may have found the remedy https://www.archlinux.org/news/linux-313-warning-ps2-keyboard-support-is-now-modular/ but i dont know how to apply it
[07:20] <sacarlson> wutang: you don't have a usb keyboard then?
[07:20] <wutang> no i have a usb keyboard plugged in, but its not recognizing it
[07:21] <wutang> should i attempt a different keyboard, like a wired one then?
[07:21] <sacarlson> wutang: oh yes I mean a wired usb keyboard standard
[07:21] <wutang> no standard keyboard, just usb. give me one second then
[07:22] <logos_> hello can you help me?
[07:22] <Puneet> Hi
[07:22] <vastkahuna> Can somebody tell me how to disable a non responsive ppa?
[07:23] <Puneet> I am facing some issuws with my Ubuntu Kylin 14.04
[07:23] <wutang> wait, why did i unplug my wireless keyboard usb dongle when it works for arrows and enter lol. but it just isnt getting recognized? but yeah ill still attempt other keyboard
[07:23] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: non responsive I take it the server is down.  you could wait or remove it from your repo list
[07:24] <logos_> i want to kill gvfsd-http and unity-scope but when i kill this programs, they restart automatically
[07:24] <Puneet> I recently bought new HP laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 OS
[07:24] <Puneet> Then I upgraded it to 14.04 Kylin and post upgradation its reporting certain problems like touchpad is not working at all.
[07:25] <Puneet> Can someone suggest me the solution?
[07:25] <wutang> tried other keyboard, same results
[07:25] <logos_> is possible kill and force for don't restarted this programs?
[07:26] <vastkahuna> I'm new to ubuntu, don't know many commands yet, how do I find a broken package and repair it?
[07:28] <adac> There seem to be issues with my lenovo T410 and ubuntu 14:04 LTS. The mouspad isn't working correctly (no scrolling) and also the dimming does seem to have problems
[07:28] <adac> any ideas what migh tbe wrong?
[07:29] <knightfelt> vastkahuna: What exactly is the problem?
[07:29] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: it might help if you paistbin the output from apt-get install  youpackage ;   so we might have a clue what's missing
[07:32] <sacarlson> Puneet: plugin a supported usb mouse might be a quick solution. if it was supported in the past maybe move back a version in the kernel
[07:33] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/SCbr3iw4
[07:34] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: ha ha wow you were suposed to replace the youpackage  with " your package name"
[07:34] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: the package you are having the problem with
[07:35] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: as you failed to even provide us with that information
[07:35] <vastkahuna> As in ubuntu version?
[07:37] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: you know those things we see in synaptic the names of applications.... that name
[07:38] <vastkahuna> I don't know , I'm new to this
[07:40] <sacarlson> vastkahuna: if your so new why would you be playing with ppa??
[07:41] <mozzarella> guys
[07:42] <vastkahuna> My issue is my sound doesn' work when I play cd and ubuntu won't update, someone told me it may have to do with ppa
[07:43] <Ben64> vastkahuna: pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[07:44] <wutang> http://s21.postimg.org/qnrahddd2/IMAG0278_BURST003.jpg what is causing this?
[07:44] <Daal123> Hello, I am having trouble while installing ubuntu server 12.04.3, because when I install it, it installs/displays that 12.04.5 is installed. And I need .3. Any clue?
[07:44] <wutang> originally, i had the no controller found, deleted quiet. now this appeared
[07:45] <Ben64> Daal123: why do you think you need 12.04.3
[07:45] <Daal123> Ben64, I have a very old game server that only supports that version. :/
[07:45] <Ben64> well it will work on 12.04.5 too
[07:46] <Ben64> the only difference between those two versions are bugs that got fixed and things like that
[07:46] <Daal123> Actually, I though so.  This requires 12.04.03."
[07:46] <Daal123> I know, but the installer is not that nice.
[07:46] <Ben64> then trick it
[07:46] <Daal123> How?
[07:46] <Ben64> i don't know, i didn't make that game
[07:46] <wutang> btw, with the error i get. it then freezes afterwards
[07:47] <Daal123> lol. Me neither. But is there anyway I can install 03?
[07:47] <Ben64> short answer, no
[07:47] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/GZLhvMjb
[07:47] <[Lotus]Compu> how do i set the default irc client in ubuntu?
[07:47] <Daal123> Nooooooooooooooo. Im dead.
[07:47] <Daal123> .Could you write a long answer. :D
[07:48] <Ben64> then trick it, it doesn't sound very awesome in the first place if it can't tell that 12.04.5 is the same thing
[07:48] <Ben64> long answer, noooo
[07:48] <wutang> out of curiosity, what game is it?
[07:48] <knightfelt> Daal123: What game server is that?
[07:48] <Daal123> Perfect World
[07:49] <Daal123> But, when I install it on a virtual machine, it actually installs 12.04.3. But when I install it on my pc, it installs 12.04.5. HOW?
[07:49] <Ben64> looks like that needs wine to work
[07:49] <wutang> never heard of, isnt that old either
[07:49] <sacarlson> wutang: I don't see any errors in your pic
[07:49] <Daal123> Altso, the installer installs everything I need to run it, but it requires the ubuntu ver. to be 12.04.3
[07:50] <wutang> then how come it stops the install and nothing is able to process following that?
[07:50] <Ben64> Daal123: its a windows program, use wine
[07:50] <wutang> i just get that when i happen to remove the quiet. otherwise it is a mere no controller found error
[07:50] <sacarlson> wutang: each boot it stops at this same point?
[07:50] <wutang> that is correct
[07:51] <Daal123> Ben64, the installer is ./install-pw. When I run it, it says "Please use 12.04.3"
[07:51] <sacarlson> wutang: can you boot in rescue mode (or other name I forget) from grub
[07:51] <Ben64> Daal123: sounds like a trap, considering that it is a windows program and can't be run in linux like that
[07:52] <wutang> im not seeing rescue mode as an option
[07:52] <Daal123> The installer is linux program.
[07:52] <Ben64> right, but i'm not seeing that anywhere, probably does bad stuff
[07:53] <Daal123> Ben, please help me.
[07:53] <Ben64> use wine
[07:53] <vastkahuna> So what do you think?
[07:53] <Daal123> ok. But, is there anyway I can install 12.04.3? Cause that is what I really, really, really need.
[07:54] <Ben64> Daal123: NO!
[07:54] <Ben64> Daal123: and you do not want to be running that installer, you probably get your system compromised
[07:55] <Daal123> Ben64: YES! I have used it before, like for 1 year ago. :'(
[07:55] <Puneet> sacarlson, I have not tried USB mouse on 12.04 but PS/2 touchpad was working on 12.04
[07:55] <Ben64> Daal123: doesn't mean you didn't get your system compromised a year ago
[07:55] <Puneet> Can I downgrade 14.04 to 12.04?
[07:55] <Ben64> Daal123: it is a WINDOWS program. why would there be a LINUX installer for a WINDOWS program? makes no sense!
[07:55] <Daal123> Ben64, it didnt. I ran the server for a long time. :(
[07:55] <somsip> Puneet: no - reinstall
[07:56] <somsip> Ben64: *some* programs do ugly things like that. Teamviewer is one I'm aware of
[07:56] <Daal123> Because, the server runs on linux!
[07:56] <[Lotus]Compu> Ben64: they did it with teamviewer >.>
[07:56] <Puneet> and wifi is always an issue as it keep on disconnecting on 12.04 thats why I upgarded to 14.04 but found lot more problems
[07:56] <wutang> blah, im going to go ahead and attempt another os real fast
[07:56] <somsip> Puneet: same answer applies
[07:56] <Ben64> Daal123: not seeing any link to anything like that anywhere, so i think you've got something bad
[07:56] <Daal123> Ben64, anyway, have to go. Thanks for trying to help. Have a nice daY!
[07:57] <Puneet> which one is the most stable version of Ubuntu with good wifi connection support as 12.04 was having issue of wifi disconnection
[07:57] <Ben64> 14.04 probably has better wireless drivers than 12.04
[07:57] <somsip> Puneet: question is too general to reply. No definition of 'good wifi connection support'
[07:58] <Puneet> Ben64 I upgraded to 14.04 but my mouse (PS/2) stopped working
[07:58] <wutang> it deeply saddens me that utopic unicorn wont work for me lol, does anyone know of any distros with that nice of a name?
[07:58] <Puneet> so can not proceed further
[07:59] <vastkahuna> Did you look it over yet, what do you think?
[07:59] <Ben64> vastkahuna: looks like you need to ppa-purge
[08:00] <Ben64> !ppa-purge | vastkahuna
[08:00] <damidam> Hey, my upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10 is stuck on the ttf-mscorefonts-installer - I cant press ok or do anything
[08:01] <Puneet> can someone suggest solution to fix "touchpad stopped working" issue on 14.04 post upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04
[08:02] <sacarlson> damidam: I'm not sure I guess you will just have to <ctl>C out and fix it later
[08:02] <damidam> sacarlson it seems like i should hit ok here but I can't - Am i doing something wrong ?
[08:03] <somsip> damidam: if you manage to abort the upgrade, it can be possible to fix it later using apt-get install -f on affected packages. But you're on thin ice. There is no easy solution, that said
[08:03] <sacarlson> damidam: remind me to never update just install a fresh copy in a small spare partition that you save for that purpose
[08:03] <damidam> well that is quite terrible
[08:04] <somsip> damidam: stalls on upgrades can be painful. It's just how it is :-/
[08:04] <damidam> i've been thinking about installing windows 8 for about a month now
[08:04] <damidam> had so many issues with all kinds of stuff
[08:04] <vastkahuna> http://pastebin.com/H2yy2pVv
[08:04] <sacarlson> damidam: and that's another reason to keep that spare partiton, to add new OS systems
[08:05] <Trieste> Hi, how would I transfer an ubuntu .iso to a USB drive with dd?
[08:05] <Puneet> can someone suggest solution to fix "touchpad stopped working" issue on 14.04 post upgrade from Ubuntu
[08:05] <Puneet> can someone suggest solution to fix "touchpad stopped working" issue on 14.04 post upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04
[08:05] <damidam> So i just ctrl-c now? :'(
[08:06] <Svetlana> you might want to mention your hardware about the touchpad
[08:06] <sacarlson> damidam: you could do it tomaro.  but it's like the dentist I have to do it sometime
[08:07] <gr33n7007h> Trieste, dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=512k
[08:07] <damidam> sacarlson: doesnt work... any other ideas ?
[08:07] <somsip> damidam: CTRL C and do-dist-upgrade again and see how it fares
[08:07] <damidam> somsip its not closing sadly
[08:07] <Puneet> actually gpointing-device-settings package is getting crashed
[08:07] <sacarlson> damidam: <CTL>z
[08:08] <somsip> sacarlson: how will backgrounding the process help?
[08:08] <damidam> so i do a reset?
[08:08] <sacarlson> somsip: backgrounding?  hows that
[08:08] <damidam> I'm scared that everything is broken after this
[08:09] <damidam> I need my stuff :'(
[08:09] <somsip> sacarlson: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/135077/ctrl-c-vs-ctrl-z-with-foreground-job (returns control to the shell but does not actually kill the job'
[08:09] <linocisco> hi all, canon LBP 3050 installation according to guide line not ok in ubuntu 14.04
[08:09] <somsip> damidam: you have little choice but to kill the process doing the upgrade. Did you use terminal or GUI?
[08:09] <sacarlson> somsip: well give you back control at this point he has none
[08:09] <damidam> wooow
[08:10] <damidam> i mashed the keyboard
[08:10] <damidam> and it continued upgrading
[08:10] <somsip> damidam: ah - the old 'mash the keyboard' trick. Good one...
[08:10] <damidam> maybe it didnt recognize the return button
[08:10] <damidam> and i had to hit "o" for ok
[08:10] <damidam> or something
[08:10] <damidam> wow
[08:11] <damidam> gonna take a shower
[08:11] <damidam> thanks guys
[08:11] <linocisco> I tried accordiing to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190?action=show&redirect=HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters%2FCanonPrinters%2FLBP3010
[08:11] <linocisco> but printer is NOT detected
[08:18] <Jakob1997> Anyone online who has experience with ubuntu and wifi
[08:18] <Jakob1997> ?
[08:18] <__Cancel__> whom can I ask about RedNoteBook?
[08:18] <somsip> __Cancel__: what is it?
[08:19] <sacarlson> anyone play with docker?  if so is there a small size example to experiment with? I was considering giveing it a trial run.
[08:19] <__Cancel__> when will password protection be added?
[08:19] <quincy> Hello
[08:20] <somsip> !info rednotebook
[08:20] <quincy> Does anyone know if jailkit is rehosted somewhere else ? http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/jailkit-2.17.tar.gz is currently down
[08:20] <somsip> sacarlson: follow any beginners guide. Initial steps are simple and easy. But OT here
[08:21] <Morpheusxnl> anyone get experience with duck launcher
[08:21] <somsip> __Cancel__: probably best approaching the developers
[08:22] <sacarlson> somsip: the one that looked might be simple looked to require downloading a 500meg file.  as I don't know how to determine the size I was just wondering if there was a known smaller like 20meg trail
[08:22] <somsip> sacarlson: yes. there is a hello world example. Again, OT here so no more replies from me on this
[08:23] <__Cancel__> somsip, how to locate them? there is no one in  #rednotebook.
[08:23] <sacarlson> quincy: it just so happen docker is much like jailkit
[08:23] <thomasd> hello. I have a random question. Is it possible to make holding down both mouse buttons behave like a middle mouse click?
[08:24] <somsip> __Cancel__: there is a sourceforge page. Try that
[08:25] <quincy> sacarlson T
[08:25] <quincy> Thanks but I need that specific version for a piece of software
[08:25] <quincy> I already found a software archive at : http://fossies.org/linux/privat/jailkit-2.17.tar.gz/
[08:25] <quincy> Thanks :)
[08:29] <sacarlson> thomasd: that might be possible maybe in keyboard maping as I would think you can detect when both mouse botton are down.  I don't know exacly how to do it
[08:33] <sacarlson> somsip so how do you exit from man ls ;  if <ctl>z is the wrong method to use to get control back?  Am I putting man in the background with <ctl>z ?
[08:34] <sacarlson> somsip: your right I can bring it back with fg
[08:36] <Trieste> gr33n7007h: thanks
[08:36] <geirha> sacarlson: q  to quit from the default pager
[08:46] <Apachez> whats the current status of mounting ssd with discard flag to handle trim? some claim its not recommended, the recommended method is instead to cron fstrim - is this still a valid claim?
[08:48] <sacarlson> geirha: ya I noted that later and here all this time I've used <CTL>z to exit it leaving it in the background forever
[08:48] <Farva> On our one server machine, we are running a few different IPs, on one IP, everyone connects just fine (iftop example-http://gyazo.com/2e962762f24c46a4b533a953aed9bc95), on the other, there are a few that are lagging heavily. (same person on the other IP: http://gyazo.com/3837b0e2aec3339ca045078ca9765dd8) How do I trouble shoot this?
[08:49] <sagar__> Seveas done !!
[08:50] <sacarlson> Farva: I was wondering maybe you could try netcat from a to b then netcat from b to a one each to see what the difference in speed is. as I don't know what flow you are now using to test it with
[08:50] <sagar__> thanks everyone for helping me out :)
[08:51] <random1> hi everybody. i disabled "CSM support" in my bios in order to install ubuntu in UEFI mode, but since then i can't boot or even access the bios anymore. does anyone have an idea about how to fix it ?
[08:51] <Farva> sacarlson:  can you give me an example of what 'a to b' is?
[08:51] <sacarlson> Farva: man nc
[08:53] <ObrienDave> *face palm*
[08:53] <Farva> I do not understand what you mean by 'a to b' so the man command is not making it clear =[
[08:53] <sacarlson> Farva:  computer A   to computer B
[08:54] <sacarlson> Farva: setup nc to recieve on A  and nc to send on B  and measure with iftop of wireshark
[08:54]  * ObrienDave puckers lips, stifling a hearty laugh
[08:55] <Farva> this is where I get to show my ignorance of linux, I have no idea where to start with that...
[08:55] <Farva> what is a wireshark? and how do I do the setup?
[08:55] <Farva> the man command is not clear to me at all
[08:55] <sacarlson> Farva: well it could be partly my ignorance not knowing your problem
[08:55] <wutang> k, finally dl'd a different os. now im experiencing this: conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs EFI VGA - removing generic driver
[08:56] <Farva> I just need to understand why everyone has such bad connection to this IP and we are find on the other
[08:56] <Farva> it is the same server machine
[08:56] <geirha> Farva: First thing I'd check is to make sure there's no other devices with the same IP anywhere in the network
[08:56] <Farva> there are no other devices
[08:56] <geirha> To machines with the same IP gives weird behavior
[08:56] <geirha> *two
[08:56] <Farva> I set up each process on its own IP and we only have 3 running
[08:57] <sacarlson> Farva: I'm not sure what bad really is maybe dns lookup is slow or downloading a video file is slow , page update slow or ???
[08:57] <Farva> and the IPs are dedicated to my range
[08:57] <geirha> I'm not saying it's the case, I'm just mentioning it because I've hit that a couple of times before when two machines accidentally got the same IP
[08:58] <Farva> it is a gaming server, so players are experiencing game lag, skipping, mobs lagging etc
[08:58] <cfhowlett> Farva, game boxes get heavy use.  check ISP for throttling?
[08:58] <Farva> how can I check that cfhowlett ?
[08:58] <cfhowlett> Farva, contact your ISP provider?
[08:59] <Farva> we run on 1 Gb ports from a data center
[08:59] <sacarlson> Farva: ok game server I would think is very low bandwidth unless there maybe 1000's of players
[08:59] <Farva> thats the thing
[08:59] <cfhowlett> Farva, 1gb ports?  Ignore me ...
[08:59] <Farva> we are fine on the other IP where there is a game process
[09:00] <wutang> does anyone know anything about, conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs EFI VGA - removing generic driver?
[09:00] <cfhowlett> sacarlson, doesn't it depend on bandwidth?  thinking a high resolution game like counterstrike could easily run up into heavy multimedia throughput ...
[09:01] <Farva> cfhowlett: I am not trying to ignore you, I thought I understood what you meant and would it not seem odd that with 1Gb ports that we would be experiencing clogged bandwidth when only 2 players are on that specific server
[09:01] <Farva> and the other server is fine, its all on the same server machine
[09:01] <sacarlson> cfhowlett: I think on games like these they just monitor user positions like x,y,z and pointing angles.  not graphics
[09:01] <cfhowlett> Farva, no I was suggesting you DO ignore me!  given what sacarlson suggested, my guess would e wrong
[09:02] <Farva> and I seem to be connecting fine to it, it is just everyone else that is experiencing issues
[09:02] <Farva> cfhowlett:  oooh lol xD
[09:02] <cfhowlett> sacarlson, hmm.  been awhile since I went online ... and I'm guessing from China where squirrels move faster than your local ISP ...
[09:04] <wutang> conflicting fb hw usage inteldrmfb vs EFI VGA - removing generic driver, anyone? I'm on my third os attempt now lol
[09:04] <wutang> it all began with steam os, now im on a stabler version of ubuntu studio
[09:05] <cfhowlett> wutang, "stabler" = ubuntustudio 14.04.1 ... right?
[09:05] <wutang> that is correct, i was attempting 14.10 before
[09:06] <cfhowlett> wutang, nice.  LTS only = far fewer tears ...
[09:06] <wutang> any ideas on why its causing the boot to hangup
[09:08] <cfhowlett> wutang, system specifications?
[09:08] <sacarlson> Farva: also try recording trafic on both with wireshark and compare.  but I'm not so sure your problem is in network.  maybe processes running on they server that need to be monitored as how buzy it is
[09:09] <Farva> sacarlson:  how do I do that? And our network is very calm right now, 4 players between the 2 servers and only 3 on teamspeak. Peak hours are over and we didn't experience this earlier today
[09:09] <wutang> AMD A8-5557M 2.1GHz (Turbo up to 3.1GHz), AMD RADEON R9 M275X 2GB, 500GB 5400RPM 2.5" Hard Drive, 8GB DDR3-1600 SO-DIMM
[09:10] <sacarlson> Farva: wireshark is a gui aplication not difficult to us  to install apt-get install wireshark
[09:10] <Farva> sacarlson: here is my entire iftop: http://gyazo.com/3408d578bf6f7a66017ae05a23b887c2
[09:12] <random1> anyone ?
[09:13] <sacarlson> Farva: ya that's just showing rates from each ip and I don't see any problem there.  with wireshark you record all packet activity and you can setup filters to look at any part to isolate any type of problem
[09:13] <Farva> can you lead me through this, everything I know about linux is ask some one else what to do or I will break it lol
[09:13] <sacarlson> Farva: but you would only want to run it at the time you think your having a problem as it would take too much resource to capture any large period of time
[09:14] <cfhowlett> Farva, might also ask #ubuntu-server
[09:14] <Farva> ohh, didn't know that was a thing!
[09:16] <wutang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/169912/fb-conflicting-fb-hw-usage-inteldrmfb-vs-efi-vga-removing-generic-driver attempting this solution
[09:16] <brad__> hi all
[09:17] <wutang> i looked for the line of gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode it wasnt there
[09:17] <wutang> then i tried adding it as later mentioned, still no luck
[09:18] <sacarlson> Farva: I have a very small window as to what your problem might be with a wide view of many posibilty.  but also monitor process on the server with something like top to see if your system is running out of some resource
[09:19] <Farva> sacarlson: so about running wire shark, I have literally no idea what to do behind the console, can you point me at a tutorial or throw me the commands to watch the network?
[09:19] <Farva> and I am always watching htop, we are at a cool 10% usage on everything
[09:20] <sacarlson> Farva: try top first if that looks ok with less than 50% cpu usage and less than 50% mem usage at peak then we can look back at network
[09:20] <sacarlson> Farva: you say you have 1gb and at this time only using 100kb
[09:20] <Farva> thats what I thought I saw
[09:24] <Farva> sacarlson: I just put a ticket in with the data center, they are very good about responding. I should know in the next few minutes if it is on their end
[09:25] <sacarlson> Farva: is it something like amazon rented virtual system?
[09:25] <Farva> oh gawd no lol
[09:25] <sacarlson> Farva: so you have the physical box?
[09:25] <Farva> its a proffesionally managed data center and it is a dedicated server machine
[09:26] <Farva> we rent the box yes
[09:26] <sacarlson> Farva: they may already have records of system load that you can look at
[09:26] <sacarlson> Farva: they should also provide you with the load specs
[09:27] <wutang> getting progress on my own..... so i added nomodeset it then proceeds to load the installer. but after about fifteen seconds of it displaying it freezes...
[09:27] <leoz> 有没有人在？
[09:28] <ObrienDave> !cn | leoz
[09:28] <cfhowlett> !cn | leoz
[09:28] <ObrienDave> !jp | leoz
[09:28] <leoz> 什么意思阿
[09:28] <leoz> 第一次用这个系统
[09:28] <leoz> 不会
[09:28] <Farva> sacarlson: yes, they are working with me now already =]
[09:29] <Farva> I always try and figure it out best I can before I put in a ticket xD
[09:29] <ultrixx> leoz: rzlbrks hahahaha
[09:29] <sacarlson> Farva: cool thing with like amazon you can change the spec in real time as it's a virtual spec and only pay for it when you need it
[09:29] <leoz> only seeping English?
[09:29] <Farva> sacarlson: he had me run ethtool eth0 and this is what I got: http://gyazo.com/451b639a870477eb97d885e7a940a1ca
[09:30] <random1> yes leoz
[09:30] <cfhowlett> leoz, english only
[09:30] <Farva> It does not recognize the device?
[09:30] <Farva> wtf
[09:30] <wutang> looking very closely..... i think its installing..... but you can hardly see the circle move and it was going full swing before
[09:30] <leoz> ....
[09:31] <Tm_T> leoz: yes only english in here
[09:31] <sacarlson> Farva: I guess you might look at ifconfig to see what devices are available
[09:31] <White_Cat> hello
[09:31] <leoz> e
[09:31] <leoz> hello
[09:31] <Krayg> Greetings
[09:31] <White_Cat> I am trying to figure out how to access the home folder of a newly created account on ubuntu server
[09:31] <White_Cat> it seemingly does nothing
[09:32] <cfhowlett> White_Cat, log in as that user
[09:33] <wutang> why is there no true definitive installer indication for ubuntu studio.....? how long should or could this take
[09:33] <brent> is it possible to make a program always run so that if it was stopped or closed it could restart? i really x11vnc server to be operating and from time to time when i log out i cant reconnect back
[09:33] <leoz> God save me . it's so hard for me to say English
[09:33] <cfhowlett> wutang, fresh ubuntu studio install?  depending on ram - 20 - 30 minutes without simultaneous updates.
[09:33] <Svetlana> Hi leoz
[09:33] <White_Cat> cfhowlett thats the problem
[09:34] <White_Cat> I cannot navigate to it as the logged in user
[09:34] <leoz> hi
[09:34] <cfhowlett> leoz, so use the channel for your first language
[09:34] <Svetlana> leoz Where are you from?
[09:34] <leoz> china
[09:34] <wutang> ill wait i guess, but i dislike the zero status indication of install progress lol
[09:34] <cfhowlett> !kylin | leoz,
[09:34] <Svetlana> leoz: 如欲獲得中文的協助，請輸入 /join #ubuntu-cn 或 /join #ubuntu-tw
[09:35] <cfhowlett> wutang, don't update during install.
[09:35] <Svetlana> leoz: >>> #ubuntu-cn <<< click here
[09:35] <leoz> ok ok
[09:35] <Svetlana> leoz: >>> #ubuntu-tw <<< click here
[09:35] <Svetlana> :-)
[09:35] <White_Cat> when I cd /home or cd /home/mydir it returns to the $ prompt
[09:35]  * White_Cat violently clicks on "click here" text
[09:36] <Farva> sacarlson: http://gyazo.com/670e7f2ff01226ffee584cdcedd4781a
[09:36] <cfhowlett> White_Cat, command: pwd               will tell you your current location
[09:36] <White_Cat> eh?
[09:36] <White_Cat> I was in the home directory all along?
[09:37] <White_Cat> okay, second question
[09:37] <White_Cat> how can I add a user under the sudo group?
[09:37] <White_Cat> I dont want to mess something
[09:37] <sacarlson> Farva: try  p4p1
[09:38] <sacarlson> Farva: I don't know how you have your apps maped and to what port or.....
[09:38] <Mathisen> White_Cat sudo adduser <username> sudo
[09:39] <Farva> well, I let the system determine the processors and cores, and I just set the ports to 25565 for the .3 and .4 IPs
[09:39] <Farva> sacarlson:  what was the command for p4p1 you wanted me to run?
[09:39] <Farva> (total linux newb)
[09:40] <sacarlson> Farva: ethtool p4p1  it's what they told you to run
[09:40] <Farva> oh ic
[09:41] <Farva> http://gyazo.com/536c6b801f9ad053b146bd7df4f0b253
[09:42] <sacarlson> Farva: well that looks better.  I don't have ethtool installed so I don't know what it does
[09:45] <kqr> hey guys! I have a pretty old 12.04 installation that's been sitting for a while. is there any reason to believe running an apt-get upgrade now will cause trouble?
[09:45] <adac> With the Noveau driver my notebook hangs up after some time... I have  a thinkpad T410. Any ideas? I hve alos probalms with the mouspad that does not allow scrolling anymore. i'm on 14.04
[09:46] <cfhowlett> kqr, first set your system for LTS only.  after that, it'll go to 14.04
[09:47] <kqr> cfhowlett, i'm not interested in doing a dist-upgrade
[09:47] <kqr> cfhowlett, I just want the security updates for 12.04
[09:48] <kqr> cfhowlett, (but that was a good thing of you to mention anyway, because I want to upgrade to 14.04 on another computer :) )
[09:48] <cfhowlett> kqr, dist-upgrade will update your *current* installation to 12.04.5
[09:48] <dnano91> hi, i was just trying to install kubuntu via usb (dd to get iso to usb) but when i boot, at one point i get a console screen and no gui (downloaded 14.10 plasma5)
[09:48] <cfhowlett> kqr, do release-upgrade will bring you from 12.04 >>> 14.04
[09:48] <kqr> cfhowlett, hm, i'm not sure I follow. but all I'm interested in is upgrading the suggested packages (around 100 or so of them)
[09:48] <kqr> ah i see
[09:49] <kqr> either way, that's not what I want to do in this particular case
[09:50] <kqr> ah it appears as though dist-upgrade is actually safer than upgrade
[09:50] <kqr> I wasn't aware
[09:50] <cfhowlett> kqr, err other way ...
[09:51] <cfhowlett> kqr, dist-upgrade will update ALL packages to latest available and in the repos.  upgrade will not but will grab the security updates.
[09:51] <kqr> aha
[09:52] <kqr> an answer on askubuntu.com said "you probably want dist-upgrade to ensure dependencies are resolved"
[09:52] <kqr> cfhowlett, but I take it that means upgrade is usually safe?
[09:52] <cfhowlett> kqr, "usually"   :)
[09:52] <kqr> haha
[09:52] <zhsj> hi, my laptop can't wake up after i suspend it. is there any way to find out the reasons?
[09:52] <kqr> reassuring
[09:54] <zhsj> this situation happens after i upgrade to 14.10
[09:54] <sacarlson> zhsj: I started some research on that and found it is sometimes releated to the sr_mod that can be tested by removel of your dvd drive
[09:55] <zhsj> i thinks there may be some logs which can tells the failure reasons , but i can't find out.
[09:56] <sacarlson> zhsj: the logs might show some time outs with ataX that may be your dvd or cd drive
[09:58] <sacarlson> zhsj: the sr_mod is now built into the kernel so can't be modprobe -r ; to fix it.  if we find more cases we will compile a custom kernel to verify a fix in software
[09:59] <zhsj> sacarlson, built into kernel? .. that's why, just now i `lsmod` there's no output
[10:00] <sacarlson> zhsj: yes sr_mod is compiled into the kernel is no longer a module sr_mod.ko
[10:00] <sacarlson> zhsj: you can physicaly remove your dvd and see if the problem goes away.  if not then it's a different problem
[10:01] <zhsj> sacarlson, ok...i will try later
[10:08] <jane_> hi
[10:09] <jane_> I need help with a thing
[10:12] <random1> ask your question jane_
[10:14] <jane_> trying to figure out how should I ask
[10:14] <random1> tell us what is your problem
[10:16] <White_Cat> Is there an easy(er) way to move a specific directory with its contents and subdirs from one location to another
[10:17] <White_Cat> I want to move contents of /home/user1/dir1 to /home/user2
[10:18] <phix> White_Cat: sudo mv /home/user1/dir1 /home/user2/
[10:20] <White_Cat> will it recursively move everything in it too?
[10:21] <random1> yes White_Cat
[10:21] <phix> White_Cat: Depending on the file system, It simply changes the pointer of the parent directory to the new location
[10:21] <phix> which has the same effect :)
[10:21] <random1> for instance cp needs a -r option to do it recursively, but mv doesn't
[10:22] <phix> random1: correct, cp and mv do different things
[10:22] <random1> yep
[10:22] <White_Cat> one coppies other moves
[10:22] <random1> c(o)p(y) and mo)v(e)
[10:22] <phix> random1: cp makes a copy, mv just changes file system pointers
[10:22] <random1> i know :)
[10:22] <White_Cat> rm removes those
[10:22] <random1> that's it
[10:22] <White_Cat> there is also an rmdir
[10:23] <phix> rm calls unlink(); :)
[10:23] <White_Cat> sudo mv /home/odoo/odoo /home/odoo/ would this have the desired effect?
[10:23] <White_Cat> of reducing the second directory?
[10:24] <geirha> White_Cat: nope
[10:24] <phix> White_Cat: That wouldn't do anything
[10:24] <White_Cat> sudo mv /home/odoo/odoo /home/ ?
[10:24] <phix> White_Cat: that will fail as odoo exists
[10:24] <phix> White_Cat: as I said, all mv does it changes filesystem pointers
[10:25] <White_Cat> so how can I move the contents of odoo directory to one directory lower?
[10:25] <wutang> how much slower or faster are installs dvd vs usb?
[10:25] <phix> White_Cat: unless it is on a filesystem that doesn't support that and then it falls back to a recursive copy then a recursive delete
[10:25] <White_Cat> as in /home/odoo/odoo -> /home/odoo
[10:25] <geirha> sudo mv /home/odoo /home/odoo.old && sudo mv /home/odoo.old/odoo /home
[10:25] <phix> White_Cat: yeah you need to rename it first :)
[10:26] <Mathisen> wutang usb is in most cases faster usb2 is a little faster and if you have usb3 that is the best option for fast installs
[10:27] <Illegalviking> any recommendations on a multi threaded downloader for ubuntu?
[10:28] <Mathisen> Illegalviking Aria2
[10:28] <wutang> my install is currently at like 40 mins, fresh install ubuntu studio. had issues beforehand, now installing. but the install wheel is churning slow, very slow
[10:28] <Illegalviking> thanks Mathisen
[10:29] <White_Cat> it is unable to delete odoo.old because it is not empty?
[10:29] <White_Cat> how can I see whats in it?
[10:31] <geirha> ApplesInArrays: Fix your connection
[10:31] <geirha> White_Cat: ls -l /home/odoo.old/
[10:31] <geirha> White_Cat: err, sorry, meant to include -a
[10:32] <noark> ping
[10:32] <phix> White_Cat: If you would like to learn more I recommend you install the coreutils source and look at the source code for cp and mv
[10:32] <phix> noark: pong
[10:32] <noark> oh yeah
[10:32] <phix> White_Cat: cd /tmp && sudo apt-get source coreutils
[10:34] <geirha> no, don't run apt-get source with sudo
[10:35] <Abhijit> hi. where is openjdk java controll file located in ubuntu 14.04?
[10:35] <noark> usr/local
[10:35] <noark> maybe
[10:36] <geirha> Any OPs in here? ApplesInArrays is joining and quiting every minute. fix_your_connection ban is in order
[10:36] <geirha> Abhijit: java control file?
[10:37] <linxlad> Yo :)
[10:37] <phix> geirha: doesn't matter
[10:38] <phix> White_Cat: but yes geirha is right, you dont need to run apt-get source with sudo, just a force of habbit for me to use sudo with apt-get
[10:38] <Goldwing> Q
[10:39] <Goldwing> Q: i have a SIP phone, but i can't remember what vlan it is on, i do see the IP in the display. Is there a way to scan all vlans for a specific IP?
[10:40] <phix> Goldwing: you should be able to traffic sniff that
[10:41] <phix> just look for vlan traffic and see what id it is in
[10:41] <Goldwing> phix : ethereal?
[10:41] <phix> Goldwing: I recommend Wireshark
[10:41] <Goldwing> okj
[10:41] <Goldwing> ok
[10:41] <phix> but yes ethereal should be able to do it too
[10:42] <phix> Goldwing: this is assuming your switch and network card support VLAN tags
[10:42] <White_Cat> when I press up down arrows etc, through putty ssh it creates weird symbols
[10:42] <White_Cat> rather than the intended funciton
[10:42] <White_Cat> why could this be?
[10:42] <White_Cat> http://askubuntu.com/questions/163802/backspace-tab-del-and-arrow-keys-not-working-in-terminal-using-ssh
[10:42] <White_Cat> I dont think it is the same issue
[10:42] <phix> White_Cat: is anapplication running in the foreground?
[10:43] <phix> White_Cat: what terminal are you using?
[10:43] <White_Cat> putty ssh
[10:43] <phix> White_Cat: no, what terminal emulation are you using
[10:43] <phix> xterm, linux, vt100?
[10:43] <phix> something else?
[10:43] <White_Cat> I am unsure how to answer that, I do not know
[10:43] <phix> what shell are ytou using?  bash?
[10:43] <phix> White_Cat: have a look in your putty settings
[10:44] <phix> click the putty icon in the top left corner of your screen and click settings
[10:44] <phix> then expand ssh and terminal and see what it says
[10:45] <lukevinc> Hello, My gzip is not descompressing my .zip file, i tried to reinstall the libs zip and unzip, i don't know what I can do, can someone help me?
[10:45] <White_Cat> connection->ssh-> ?
[10:46] <phix> lukevinc: gzip and .zip are two different formats
[10:46] <phix> White_Cat: sure
[10:47] <phix> take a look in there
[10:47] <phix> lukevinc: unzip filename.zip should work if it is a zip
[10:47] <lukevinc> phix: gzip i mean the program which does the compression/descompression in Ubuntu, i don't know the name exactly, I know it's from GNOME.
[10:47] <phix> lukevinc: type in file filename.zip to see what the actual format is
[10:47] <carpediembaby> hello. i wanted to ask if it is safe/useful to use something like this: sudo sync && sudo echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches to clean up cache?
[10:48] <geirha> White_Cat: My guess would be that your .profile or .bashrc file changes the TERM environment variable
[10:48] <phix> lukevinc: gzip is a command like application that has nothing to do with gnome
[10:48] <phix> lukevinc: do you mean fileroller?
[10:48] <lukevinc> phix: i guess so.
[10:48] <phix> lukevinc: Are you looking for a GUI app or a command line app or any app that decompresses a zip file?
[10:49] <lukevinc> phix: exactly.
[10:49] <phix> lukevinc: I asked 3 questions there
[10:49] <Mathisen> White_Cat i had that problem with putty when you start it go to Windows - translation and change it to UTF8
[10:49] <brokenlaptopscre> hey, i got a broken  laptop screen. i tried to connect an external one for the installation process (lubuntu alternate 14.04.1) but it doesn't show the picture. even disconnecting the screen did not work. any suggestions? it's a compaq 6720s i'm having trouble with
[10:49] <lukevinc> phix: my GUI descompressor doesn't recognize .zip files. i don't know  why.
[10:49] <phix> lukevinc: well, three choices, which one were you saying exactly to?
[10:50] <brokenlaptopscre> it's probably not picture but output ;)
[10:50] <carpediembaby> I recently ran into a problem. I was running some Java code and i got an exception that there is not enough memory available. I have 16G or ram but the system monitor showed only 30% under use. But in the multiload indicator, i saw that the most of the memory is marked as 'cached'.
[10:50] <phix> lukevinc: ok, and what is your GUI decompressors name?
[10:50] <phix> lukevinc: the default one in ubuntu?  or have you installed something else?
[10:50] <lukevinc> phix: Archive Manager.
[10:50] <phix> file roller hey
[10:51] <lukevinc> phix: it's the same?
[10:52] <phix> lukevinc: this is from apt-cache show file-roller -->
[10:52] <phix> "File-roller doesn't perform archive operations by itself, but relies on standard tools for this."
[10:52] <phix> Suggests: arj, binutils, cpio, lha, lzip, lzma, lzop, ncompress, rpm2cpio, rzip, sharutils, unace, unalz, unrar | p7zip-rar, unzip, xz-utils, zip, zoo
[10:53] <phix> lukevinc: so if you install zip and unzip (sudo apt-get install zip unzip) then it will work with zip files
[10:54] <lukevinc> i tried it, it says "An error occurred while loading the archive.".
[10:54] <phix> lukevinc: if that command fails then you need to add universe and probably multiverse to your apt repo
[10:54] <phix> lukevinc: perhaps the archive is faulty / corrupt
[10:54] <lukevinc> phix:but i did descompress using the terminal, the error is only in file-roller.
[10:55] <phix> lukevinc: and you have installed the suggests for zip and unzip?
[10:55] <lukevinc> phix: yes.
[10:55] <phix> lukevinc: *shrugs* just use the command line then
[10:55] <lukevinc> and file-roller still bugged :(
[10:56] <phix> Personally i don't use file-roller, I use the command line tools
[10:56] <lukevinc> phix: sure, thanks for the help.
[10:56] <phix> any time
[10:57] <chris_99> hey, anyone got any ideas about this
[10:57] <chris_99> sudo service networking restart
[10:57] <chris_99> stop: Job failed while stopping
[10:57] <bobin89> Hi. Any one know a way to boot a live cd to terminal, from the first screen?
[10:59] <cfhowlett> bobin89, use the server .iso for terminal
[11:00] <lukevinc> bobin89: gparted sucks man, i have this problem too.
[11:00] <zhsj> sacarlson, it seems that it is fglrx that cause resume failure. I removed fglrx and suspend/resume works now
[11:01] <zhsj> Is there anybody who has tried install fglrx on 14.10
[11:02] <MasterPiece> zhsj, sudo apt-cache search fglrx
[11:02] <bobin89> cfhowlett: Will try that
[11:03] <arcsky> hello how do i mount usb ?
[11:03] <zhsj> MasterPiece, I just removed fglrx because it causes resume failure after suspend
[11:04] <cfhowlett> arcsky, terminal: lsblk                    will show you all your mount.  one of them is your usb: /dev/something.     mount /dev/something
[11:05] <arcsky> fat32
[11:05] <k1l_> arcsky: is it a desktop?
[11:05] <arcsky> sdb      8:16   1   3.8G  0 disk
[11:05] <arcsky> └─sdb4   8:20   1   3.8G  0 part
[11:05] <arcsky> no server
[11:16] <usbehc> Hello anyone here?
[11:18] <MasterPiece> usbehc, Yes, Just ask your Question and w8 for an answer
[11:20] <ilya_> Hello
[11:20] <skua> privet
[11:23] <usbehc> Can someone tell me why this happens after login? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2h5k2dk&s=8#.VE98pIWd6bg
[11:24] <usbehc> It just appears for 5 seconds or so, screen seems damaged. Can it cause serious problems further?
[11:24] <ncappa> Hello IRC people, I'm experiencing an issue.
[11:25] <Krayg> What is the issue?
[11:26] <ncappa> I just installed 14.04, but I can't seem to boot into it.
[11:26] <ncappa> Not ure hy.
[11:26] <ncappa> *sure why
[11:26] <Krayg> What is error message you are getting?
[11:26] <Krayg> I installed it tonight without issue
[11:27] <evil_dan2wik> what is the name for the mono package?
[11:27] <ncappa> there isn't one, I just boot into windows when I turn the laptop on.
[11:27] <cfhowlett> !info mono
[11:27] <Krayg> Did you install it side by side?
[11:27] <johnflux_> I just upgrade to 14.10  and my vpn no longer works.  Was anything changed with the firewall?
[11:27] <ncappa> Yes I did lol
[11:28] <ncappa> I created a partition in windows then I installed it to that
[11:28] <Krayg> lol ah. Check out your windoze settings boot.ini
[11:28] <Krayg> Oh
[11:28] <cfhowlett> ncappa, wubi.  not supported.  not recommended.  not wise.
[11:28] <Krayg> Agreed
[11:29] <ncappa> So just download wubi and be done with it?
[11:29] <ncappa> and wipe the partition that I just made
[11:29] <cfhowlett> ncappa, you already installed with wubi.   don't do that anymore
[11:29] <ncappa> I've not had any experience with wubi, how exactly does it work?
[11:29] <ncappa> I didn't use wubi I did an install from the live USB
[11:30] <cfhowlett> ncappa, if you installed "inside windows", then yes you did
[11:30] <ncappa> I didn't install inside windows
[11:30] <janslow> ncappa: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide
 I created a partition in windows then I installed it to that
[11:30] <ncappa> I booted from a live usb I made with unetbootin
[11:30] <ncappa> ok thanks
[11:31] <todaysnoob> hello
[11:31] <ncappa> So I download this wubi thing and it installs the OS from inside windows and does all the partitions and everything too?
[11:31] <todaysnoob> I'm looking to run ubuntu to on an old netbook
[11:32] <cfhowlett> ncappa, wubi is NOT SUPPORTED!  not a good idea, not recommended, not the solution.
[11:32] <todaysnoob> i dont want to tax the hdd so I'm planning to install it on usb and run it from there. is it viable? can it be forced to load and run in the ram?
[11:32] <ncappa> Ok. So how should I be doing it cfhowlett ?
[11:33] <ncappa> I'm on a windows 8 terrible netbookytablet thing
[11:33] <cfhowlett> ncappa, you should NOT be using it - as has been stated repeatedly.
[11:33] <ncappa> which belongs to a kid I tutor maths to.
[11:33] <Svetlana> Someone please pastebin their sources.list on Trusty, I broke something and it refuses to apt-get update
[11:33] <ncappa> ok, so what should I be doing to install ubuntu then? I haven't been using wubi.
[11:33] <cfhowlett> ncappa, first: target device hadware??
[11:34] <todaysnoob> people?
[11:34] <janslow> todaysnoob I have run Ubuntu from a SD card which may be better than a USB drive because you can plug in the SD card and leave it there flush with the case, rather than having a USB drive protruding from the netbook. Just make sure you get a high class SD card (for data transfer speed purposes) and aside from that install Ubuntu as if you were installing to any other disk; just make sure to select the SD card during install!
[11:34] <vitimiti> Svetlana, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Trusty_Packages_and_Repositories
[11:34] <ncappa> Do you want specs of the device I wnt to install it to?
[11:35] <r> GreyGoose
[11:35] <cfhowlett> ncappa, yep.  paste em up
[11:35] <cfhowlett> !paste  | ncappa
[11:35] <todaysnoob> thank you @janslow
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> todaysnoob: use Lubuntu or Xubuntu to free up more resources for applications
[11:35] <todaysnoob> will the regular read and write cycles be too much for flash storage, thanks parsnip
[11:35] <Guest23974> GreyGoose
[11:36] <todaysnoob> *actionparsnip
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> todaysnoob: it will be fine, you could use an SD card as /var and ~/.cache if you are concerned but you will be ok
[11:36] <janslow> todaysnoob no it should be fine. This is even supported 'officially' https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromSD
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> todaysnoob: use TAB to autocomplete names ;)
[11:37] <todaysnoob> and is there a simple way to make it load(at boot) and run from ram? Thanks again ActionParsnip, new to irc. janslow reading the linked page, very helpful thanks
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:38] <janslow> todaysnoob why would you want to run everything from RAM? that would be exhaustive and un-necessary
[11:38] <Krayg> Agreed
[11:38] <kelunik> Morning, if I backup my whole filesystem, format the disk, install Windows 10, copy the files (ubuntu) back to that hdd, run grub-update, will my ubuntu work like before or is there anything I should do in another way?
[11:39] <todaysnoob> janslow: I figured load times maybe faster that way for apps
[11:39] <Krayg> SD is fast anyway
[11:39] <cfhowlett> kelunik, windows ... 10?
[11:39] <ncappa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8718334/ cfhowlett
[11:39] <janslow> todaysnoob it would but that's not the purpose of RAM. a SD card will be faster than a "standard" spinning disk drive anyway
[11:39] <janslow> todaysnoob if you are concerned about speed try Xubuntu rather than Ubuntu as that will be faster for you
[11:39] <Krayg> I would run Windows 10 in a virtual environment
[11:40] <cfhowlett> ncappa, lubuntu or xubuntu would be much better for older  / slower specification hardware like that.
[11:40] <sacarlson> kelunik: I think the update-grub part may end up being a bit more complicated
[11:41] <todaysnoob> janslow: right, thanks I'll get the new version of it. just for argument's sake, can we boot from a hdd install and then sort of minimize writes to the hdd? also when booting from SD card will the hdd remain turned off until they're specifically mounted?
[11:41] <cfhowlett> !dualboot | ncappa,
[11:41] <ncappa> Ok, the image i have at the moment on a usb here is just 14.04, it's one I had around. I need this device to be up by tomorrow really, it just needs basic functionality.
[11:41] <ncappa> thanks a lot man :)
[11:42] <janslow> todaysnoob I think the latest kernel shuts off the hdd when it is not in use irregardless of mount state, my netbook does at least. What are you worried about?
[11:42] <linxlad> hey guys
[11:43] <linxlad> in my .desktop file
[11:43] <linxlad> I want to run a program as root
[11:43] <todaysnoob> old hdd with some files from a windows install i'd rather just let it rest until needed, than have constantly spinning and dying
[11:43] <linxlad> I have Exec=sudo -u root /home/nathan/Navicat/start_navicat.sh
[11:43] <wooker> :)
[11:43] <linxlad> but how do I pass the password?
[11:43] <ncappa> ok cfhowlett I've done the majority of stuff on that guide already. I've done a partition in windows, installed 14.04 through the live USB based installer, and now I can't get into ubuntu.
[11:43] <cfhowlett> ncappa, error messages?  or what?
[11:44] <kelunik> sacarlson: That's my concern. But it should work if I install a fresh Ubuntu and replace it afterwards, when MBR is overwritten?
[11:44] <ncappa> There's no error to report. All that happens is I turn the PC on and it boots into windows like nothing ever happened.
[11:44] <cfhowlett> ncappa, windows # ???
[11:44] <Krayg> You need to check out the boot.ini
[11:44] <ncappa> I'm pretty sure the install went through
[11:44] <kelunik> cfhowlett: yes, windows 10 tech preview
[11:44] <ncappa> WIndows *.1
[11:45] <ncappa> *8.1
[11:46] <cfhowlett> ncappa, windows # ???1
[11:47] <Pici> cfhowlett: ?
[11:47] <cfhowlett> !uefi | ncappa , 8.1 should be a UEFI device - couple of extra steps needed
[11:47] <ncappa> So any idea on where ubuntu went after I installed it? there's nothing on the "This PC" thing in windows that indicates another partition. I'm running Windows 8.1
[11:47] <ncappa> It's not UEFI I don't think
[11:48] <ncappa> It didn't go into a UEFI bios thing when I hit f2
[11:48] <cfhowlett> ncappa, best I bail.  I thought all 8.1 devices were efi ...
[11:48] <brontosaurusrex> ncappa: i doubt windows would see any extXY partitions by default
[11:49] <kelunik> ncappa: if you installed your ubuntu on extX, windows won't show that partition, because it can't read it.
[11:49] <Krayg> ncappa, check your startup and recovery module. Turn on time display list of operating systems
[11:49] <ncappa> kelunik i didn't think so either...
[11:49] <ncappa> Krayg how do I do that?
[11:49] <todaysnoob> thanks ActionParsnip, janslow i'll give xubuntu a shot
[11:50] <Krayg> Computer | Properties | Advanced System Settings | Startup and Recovery
[11:50] <iger> hi
[11:50] <kelunik> ncappa: try pressing win + c → settings → power → shutdown (while pressing shift) → more options → use a device or efi settings
[11:50] <kelunik> I don't really remember how that menu entries are called.
[11:51] <usbehci> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2h5k2dk&s=8#.VE98pIWd6bg
[11:51] <usbehci> Screen be like this for 5 seconds after login. What is the problem
[11:52] <cristian_c> Hello
[11:52] <cristian_c> I've a multimedia keyboard
[11:52] <cristian_c> *got
[11:52] <n13z> usbehci: seems a problem with vga driver
[11:53] <usbehci> Is this really a problem? Because my computer works normal. Just 5 seconds of this vision. Then I see my desktop
[11:54] <cristian_c> either /lib/udev/findkeyboards and sudo /lib/udev/keymap -i input/eventX commands, pressing multimedia keys does nothing
[11:54] <iger> hi
[11:54] <cristian_c> same situation with sudo evtest
[11:54] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[11:55] <Ben64> cristian_c: does it print anything using "xev"
[11:55] <Avic> Hello. I really want to install a nx server in my server with ubuntu 14.10. But i can't find a guide that can install the freenx or the nomachine to my ubuntu version. Can anyone help, please. Thank you.
[11:56] <henk_> hoe krijg ik mijn Lexmark X6675 via WiFi aan de gang?
[11:56] <Krayg> Henk_ English please.
[11:56] <NikTh> Does anyone know any workaround on how to make the nouveau driver hibernate correct ? Just don't tell me to install Nvidia drivers.
[11:57] <henk_> How can I get my Lexmark X6675 printer to work over WiFi?
[11:57] <Ben64> NikTh: you might not be able to hibernate, best to just let that dream die now
[11:57] <Krayg> Is it wifi capable?
[11:58] <selwyn> Hi All.. Has anyone tried the new Ubuntu 14.10??
[11:58] <NikTh> Ben64: Hahaha, I know, but I hope for a workaround, a kernel parameter maybe, or a nouveau option..something..
[11:58] <henk_> It is a WiFi printer and I have Xubuntu on my laptop.
[11:58] <Ben64> NikTh: might not even be the graphics holding it back
[11:59] <Krayg> henk_, can you search the network for network printers? Does it pick it up?
[11:59] <Avic> can i use one of this repositorys in ubuntu 14.10? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX#Installing_the_FreeNX_server_on_Ubuntu_Karmic_.289.10.29_and_higher
[11:59] <kelunik> selwyn: yep.
[11:59] <NikTh> Ben64:  It's clearly that nouveau causes the problem.. when I unload the module hibernation works.
[11:59] <brent> heyas, is it possible to some how constantly check that a program is running and if not run it?
[11:59] <Krayg> A script will be able to do that brent
[12:00] <selwyn> Seeking advice on how to upgrade from 14.04 any ideas?
[12:00] <kelunik> brent: you're probably searching for daemontools
[12:00] <NikTh> selwyn: What you mean how to upgrade ?
[12:00] <Ben64> selwyn: you can use the update manager, or stay on 14.04 since it is supported until 2019
[12:00] <Krayg> selwyn, make sure you backup before doing anything
[12:01] <BluesKaj> NikTh, you can blacklist nouveau, but that hasn't been necessary lately, you may be incorrect in your assumption that nouveau is the problem
[12:01] <brent> selwtn could that possibly work with X11VNC?
[12:01] <selwyn> so it is better to install sepeartely from iso ..am i right?
[12:01] <cfhowlett> selwyn, 14.04 for the win.  LTS only.
[12:01] <Ben64> selwyn: there really is no advantage to having 14.10 over 14.04
[12:02] <alumne1smx> ds
[12:02] <Pici> Er.. Some people do like having the latest packages though...
[12:03] <NikTh> BluesKaj: I have blacklisted nouveau and tested the hibernation again, and it worked as it should. So, why my assumption is incorrect ?
[12:03] <selwyn> ok.  thanks for the advice mates..i will be careful
[12:03] <cfhowlett> Pici, bleeding edge = bloody edge.  IMO
[12:03] <Ben64> if you want the "latest" packages, ubuntu isn't for you at all
[12:04] <NikTh> I have tested other modules unload as well, but to no avail. Only when I unloaded nouveau the hibernation worked.
[12:04] <Pici> selwyn: You can upgrade from 14.04 if you want.  You do not need to reinstall if you want to go to 14.10.
[12:05] <NikTh> And the problem is clearly that happens when the graphics struggle to load again. I can see the uncompress of the image completed successfully, but then the screen remains black.
[12:05] <selwyn> Pici guide me please..Can it be done in terminal or down load the iso?
[12:05] <BluesKaj> there's no need to blacklist nouveau if you installed the recommended nvidia driver, NikTh
[12:05] <Ben64> selwyn: do you have an actual reason to get 14.10? if not, you should just stay on 14.04
[12:05] <Pici> selwyn: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UtopicUpgrades
[12:07] <selwyn> Ben64: Ben i think i will follow your advice but am just curious to see the diffrernces between the two as i am new on Ubuntu.Thanks
[12:07] <NikTh> BluesKaj: This is a test. A test where you can search and find which module can cause this problem. /sys/power/pm_test
[12:07] <Ben64> selwyn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseNotes
[12:08] <NikTh> I don't want to install the Nvidia drivers, nouveau works very-very well for me, I ditched Nvidia when I discovered that I can play the games I want (Steam) more smooth and without problems with nouveau.
[12:08] <selwyn> Thanks Ben64
[12:08] <NikTh> Yes, more smooth, that's stands correct. :-)
[12:09] <hossein_> hi everybody
[12:09] <Krayg> Greetings
[12:09] <hossein_> im newcomer linux
[12:10] <hossein_> hey
[12:10] <hossein_> hello
[12:10] <sabun> ok
[12:10] <hossein_> can u help me?
[12:10] <sabun> ask
[12:10] <Krayg> Fire away
[12:10] <hossein_> hi brother
[12:10] <sabun> hi
[12:11] <hossein_> my driver graphic not install :(
[12:11] <hossein_> ausu x550dp
[12:11] <Krayg> What kind of graphics card do you have?
[12:11] <hossein_> now use xubuntu
[12:11] <Ben64> hossein_: which graphic driver, which graphics card, which version of linux, how did you try to install the graphics driver?
[12:12] <sabun> and how did you know its not installed
[12:12] <hossein_> ati amd radeon hd 8670 m
[12:12] <hossein_> im download driver
[12:12] <hossein_> and install but not install
[12:13] <White_Cat> phix, I am looking
[12:13] <Krayg> Are you using a laptop?
[12:13] <White_Cat> seems like compresison and encryption settings
[12:13]  * BluesKaj shrugs, NikTh, the default nvidia driver is nouveau
[12:14] <hossein_> yeah bro
[12:14] <hossein_> notebook asus x550DP
[12:14] <White_Cat> ah terminal is listed before connecting
[12:14] <hossein_> can u help me?
[12:15] <White_Cat> how can I change the terminal version I use?
[12:15] <White_Cat> I dont see bash etc lited anywhere
[12:15] <Ben64> hossein_: you didn't answer all the questions i asked
[12:15] <Ben64> hossein_: and i got another one for you... does that computer have dual gpu?
[12:15] <Pici> White_Cat: What do you want to use instead of bash?
[12:16] <White_Cat> ah found it
[12:16] <White_Cat> I had to select "linux"
[12:16] <hossein_> yeah dual
[12:16] <NikTh> BluesKaj: When I say "Nvidia drivers" I ALWAYS mean the closed source ones (proprietary). Nouveau is an open source implementation for Nvidia cards, but it is not created from Nvidia corporation. Clear now ? :-)
[12:16] <White_Cat> it was set to ESC [n~
[12:17] <salik> hi
[12:17] <BluesKaj> NikTh, nevermind
 my graphicam is dual
[12:17] <hollusion>  i am looking for a small/medium sized notebook for my university (surfing, coding, etc) can you suggest me a brand/model/website?
[12:17] <carpediembaby> is there a way to extend the memory supported by ubuntu 32 bit without installing the 64 bit version?
[12:17] <Ben64> hossein_: ok, so now just missing.... which version of linux, and and how did you try to install the graphics driver?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> hollusion: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic thanks
[12:18] <Ben64> carpediembaby: yes, should already be enabled on any 32 bit version
[12:18] <carpediembaby> i saw here that there is something called the Physical Address Extension http://askubuntu.com/questions/142043/whats-the-maximum-amount-of-ram-i-can-use-on-an-specific-hardware
[12:18] <hollusion> ActionParsnip: im sorry, thank you
[12:18] <hossein_> im using now xubuntu 64 bit
[12:18] <hossein_> ben64
[12:19] <Ben64> hossein_: try this maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[12:20] <carpediembaby> Ben64: I have 32 bit ubuntu installed on a computer which has 16G or RAM. It detects all the 16G but it only seems to use 3G out of the 16G. The rest seems to be available for 'cache' which seems to be on disk. I saw the output of iotop while copying a large file to /tmp and it showed up as disk read/write
[12:20] <Krayg> Why do you have a 32 bit version installed when you have 16GB of RAM?
[12:20] <hossein_> ben64 do you have team viewer?
[12:21] <NikTh> Krayg: +1
[12:21] <Ben64> hossein_: yes, but i'm not going to do that
[12:21] <BluesKaj> carpediembaby, 32 bit architecture can see only 4G RAM
[12:21] <hossein_> :(
[12:21] <Ben64> carpediembaby: what is the output of "free -m"
[12:23] <hossein_> ben64 im have problem automatic brightess screen change why ?
[12:23] <hossein_> change automatic brightess screen on open browser ,........
[12:24] <Krayg> Have you installed the graphics card drivers?
[12:24] <hossein_> nope it falid install
[12:24] <carpediembaby> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/jRsX8QH1
[12:24] <Krayg> Why? What was the error message?
[12:25] <NikTh> BluesKaj: And here is the answer from the official nouveau channel, that's what I meant : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81136
[12:25] <hossein_> can u help me bro?
[12:25] <hossein_> hey
[12:25] <Krayg> We are trying to help you hossein_ but you are not answering our questions.
[12:26] <NikTh> Now I have to revert the commit and rebuild the kernel, in order to debug. Wish me luck :P
[12:26] <Krayg> Much luck
[12:26] <Krayg> :P
[12:26] <Ben64> carpediembaby: you definitely have 16GB of rams
[12:27] <hossein_> :'(
[12:27] <carpediembaby> Ben64: yes, I know. but i don't seem to be able to use it
[12:27] <Ben64> carpediembaby: but you are using ~6GB right now, looks fine
[12:29] <White_Cat> I am trying to run the command su odoo -c '/home/odoo/openerp-server -c /etc/odoo-server.conf' but it does nothing?
[12:29] <White_Cat> it waits until I ctrl+c out
[12:29] <Krayg> You should switch to 64 bit
[12:29] <White_Cat> which terminates session
[12:29] <administrateur> HI
[12:30] <Krayg> Greetings
[12:30] <Ben64> White_Cat: why are you using su instead of sudo? and i have no idea what odoo is so you're probably going to have to figure that out on your own
[12:31] <carpediembaby> Ben: On the system monitor, it shows i am using 1.5Gb. In the multiload indicator, it shows 1.5G ram usage and the rest as cache.
[12:31] <hossein_> please help me linux dn't support my graphic
[12:31] <hossein_> im test all method
[12:31] <hossein_> :(
[12:31] <administrateur> I just logged in using irssi from terminal , feels great!
[12:31] <Ben64> carpediembaby: ok? cache is still ram
[12:32] <Krayg> hossein_, then answer our questions
[12:32] <administrateur> help
[12:32] <brainwash> !ask
[12:34] <bumbar__> i'm getting permission denied when trying to set /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope to 0 (using sudo)
[12:35] <Abhijit> hi. how to whitelist website in openjdk?
[12:35] <Ben64> bumbar__: what is the actual command you're using