[21:11] <JackFrost> bluesabre: What's pa-plug wnck support even do?
[21:42] <bluesabre> JackFrost: for players that don’t support the “Raise” command, it raises them. This seems to only be Spotify, but should support any.
[21:47] <JackFrost> Thanks.


[01:18] <tomreyn> hmm, that's a miracle about those uefi issues...
[01:21] <tomreyn> meanwhile i'm looking into a reproducible kernel panic on 18.04 (only one user, though, with a specific workload and old hardware)
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:15] <sonicwind> hey lotuspsychje
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> hey sonicwind all good on your side?
[03:16] <sonicwind> yup yup
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <ducasse> good morning
[06:36] <oerheks> hello beautifull
[06:37] <ducasse> hi gorgeous
[06:46] <lordievader> 👋
[06:46] <ducasse> hi lordievader - how are you doing?
[06:57] <lordievader> Doing good here
[09:02] <blackflow> Anyone using chromium snap? It doesn't work. The window opens, but is black, no controls.
[09:10] <lordievader> blackflow: What happens when you start it from a terminal?
[09:12] <blackflow> lordievader: opengl errors it seems
[09:12] <lordievader> What is the output of `sudo lspci -k`?
[09:13] <blackflow> lordievader: what do you really want to know, I'm not a noob :)
[09:13] <lordievader> The output.
[09:13] <blackflow> my gpu is working fine, nvidia proprietary driver, I even game on this machine, vulkan in wine'd steam included.
[09:14] <lordievader> Which modules are all loaded for your nvidia gpu?
[09:18] <blackflow> lordievader:  "Kernel modules: nvidiafb, nouveau, nvidia_drm, nvidia"
[09:18] <lordievader> You should blacklist nouveau, they are likely fighting over the hardware. The nvidia driver install should blacklist it, but this sometimes fails.
[09:19] <blackflow> nouvau is not loaded by the kernel
[09:20] <lordievader> You just said it was?
[09:20] <blackflow> it's not mentioned by lsmod. the output above is lspci -k
[09:21] <blackflow> this is what the kernel lists: https://dpaste.de/SRux
[09:21] <lordievader> That is strange. lspci -k should show the kernel modules which are loaded for the hardware.
[09:21] <blackflow> nah, just which _might_ be loaded. that's why I asked, what you _really_ wanted to know :)
[09:21] <lordievader> That is all output of `lsmod`, or is it filtered?
[09:22] <blackflow> neway, the gpu is working fine. non-snap'd chromium is working fine. snap'd one (and one version newer) does not. I suspec the opengl interface orwhatsitcalled for snaps.
[09:22] <blackflow> lordievader: that's grep nvidia.   no "nouvau" in teh output
[09:22] <blackflow> *nouveau
[09:23] <lordievader> Right. Yeah. That does point towards snaps. It might be that they have wrong libraries or something. Don't know much about snaps, but I thought it had embedded libraries or something.
[09:24] <HEX0> I'm thinking of buying an old thinkpad with core 2 duo T9900 @ 3GHz with 8GB RAM and SSD. Do you think that CPU is still decent enough for browsing the bloated web and watching 1080p video? or is it gonna be a lagfest?
[09:25] <blackflow> or the permission to use the nvidia /dev(ices). I don't know the details, but installing the snap at some point started listing interfaces activated, opengl was one of them, and that's why I think it's broken
[09:25] <lordievader> blackflow: Are snap applications run under a different user?
[09:25] <blackflow> which is why i was wondering if anyone was using the chromium snap. these things should, in theory, working or being broken, equally evereywhere.
[09:25] <lordievader> HEX0: I don't think it will make you happy.
[09:26] <blackflow> lordievader: no, I even started it from the CLI to see teh output (and saw opengl failures)
[09:26] <HEX0> lordievader: not even at 3GHz? I figured  the clock is pretty high even for a laptop from 2009
[09:27] <blackflow> HEX0: the cpumark is important. lemmesee.... 2127 according to cpubenchmark.net. You're good.
[09:27] <lordievader> HEX0: I was running a similar set up for a while (desktop though). It worked. But I preferred my laptop with an i5.
[09:27] <HEX0> no DE, just tiling wm and firefox without lag is all I need. I'm ok with long compiles
[09:27] <blackflow> HEX0: I'd say, from personal experience, it starts to become annoyance and lagfest at less than 1000 cpumark @ cpubenchmark.net
[09:28] <HEX0> blackflow: ok thanks for input :)
[09:28] <lordievader> If you are okay with slower start up times... you can buy it. But I'd save my money and buy something more worthwhile.
[09:29] <blackflow> lowest I ran was ~800, which incidentally was a relatiely modern cpu (2013 celeron, with AESNI of all things) and it was slooooow
[09:29] <HEX0> libreboot+SSD so boot times should be fine :) cpu is the thing I was most concerned with
[09:30] <blackflow> HEX0: which vm btw? i3?
[09:30] <HEX0> blackflow: sway
[09:30] <blackflow> that's teh compositor, no?
[09:30] <lordievader> The processing power also plays a part at startup. (Was more talking about applications startup, though)
[09:30] <HEX0> my current laptop from 2013 with an old 30GB ssd boots crazy fast. Startup finished in 2.900s (firmware) + 156ms (loader) + 2.070s (kernel) + 3.208s (userspace) = 8.336s
[09:30] <HEX0> graphical.target reached after 3.208s in userspace
[09:31] <HEX0> blackflow: sway is i3 clone but wayland. so yeah it's tiling wayland compositor
[09:32] <blackflow> HEX0: oh it's a full wm? I thought it was just a compositor
[09:32] <HEX0> blackflow: https://github.com/swaywm/sway
[09:33] <blackflow> HEX0: yeah I know the thing but I always thought it was just a wayland compositor.
[09:33] <HEX0> it's pretty much full implementation/clone of i3
[09:33] <HEX0> well still work in progress :)
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> alot of qwebirc's lately
[09:52] <EriC^> !zesty
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> HEX0: i still use an amd3200+ with 2 gig ram on bionic, running great
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> it all depends how picky you are
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[10:40] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !info apt xenial
[12:10] <lordievader>  > it all depends how picky you are
[12:10] <lordievader> This is very true.
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:14] <MysticReverie> sudo apt-get footballs' coming home  !
[13:14] <MysticReverie> I'm learning terminal a bit
[16:03] <Woodsoup> hi
[16:07] <daftykins> \o
[16:08] <daftykins> 'football' is definitely not an APT function :>
[16:46] <EriC^^> howdy
[21:03] <oerheks> aai am so /clear
[21:04] <blackflow> I guess it's not coming home after all :)
[22:10] <Woodsoup> :(
[22:11] <Woodsoup> England had a good tournament.  Cant complain


[07:09] <mettiu> what's the best way to configure a 18.04 php webserver with multi domain (each domain must have it's own sftp user)? i need to use a test webserver isolating different application. i've read about that online but never find a real clarification about the "good" way to do that (like hosting provider do, for example). thanks
[07:45] <blackflow> mettiu: the answer to that question is too broad, it'd take a lot of typing.... do you have a more specific question about it? but in short... one user per site. ssh with sftp-only chroot setup to user's $HOME. put the web server into the user's group. chmod 750 homedir. create a subdir per domain in $HOME. run php-fpm with a pool per user, running as that user.
[07:47] <blackflow> the subdir is important. with sftp chroot the user won't be able to create any files in their $HOME directly (because $HOME has to be owned by root, for sftp chroot). Standard names are ~/public_html   or   ~/htdocs   but it's just a convention.
[07:47] <mettiu> thanks blackflow, good info. one of the typical question is about "where to put the public_html" folder, in /var/www or user home. from what you say it's better to use the user's own home directory
[07:48] <blackflow> now I'd go even further with securing that thing down, but it requires you to have 100% control over what is being run in PHP, so you place an AppArmor and protect sites from each other, and block PHP from executing files it can modify.
[07:48] <blackflow> mettiu: yes, user home because of the chroot.
[07:50] <mettiu> thanks, blackflow.. are there books about that or is just experience? i'm a developer, and i want to increase my knowledge about the stack :)
[07:53] <blackflow> in my case, that's experience from running public sites for over 20 years, most of that as a managed hosting provider. And besides, it's not as if you have a million different ways to pull it off, if you start from the Least Privilege Principle and security-first.
[07:55] <mettiu> thanks blackflow, you put me on my way to better undestand :)
[07:56] <blackflow> mettiu: however, this is based on the "SFTP needed" premise. If you don't strictly need it, then I'd do it differently. In fact, in our use case we develop and control the web application, and thus it is deployed from git, PHP files owned by root. special RW dirs for "uploads". fpm unprivileged, AppArmor profile separating instances. full systemd service isolation of instances (one fpm master per
[07:57] <blackflow> site, not just many pools under single master).
[08:06] <mettiu> sure blackflow, it would be different
[11:52] <ybaumy> moin. any advice on how to solve that systemd-resolved mess once and for all? i would like to use docker but no container can resolve dns hosts.. i already read todo's on how to install other tools and  restore /etc/resolv.conf  to its original state.. so i removed the link for /etc/resolv.conf and added nameserver entries but now nothing resolves anymore
[11:52] <ybaumy> i am on 18.04
[13:51] <kklimonda> check /etc/nsswitch.conf and see if you have `hosts: files dns`
[15:27] <lordcirth> How can I configure the NFS client to refresh cache when it receives an ESTALE?
[15:32] <lordcirth> Hmm, apparently that's not what I actually need either
[20:03] <plongshot>  does 18.04 server come with any tools / utilities that can create an image (ie: clone) of the server it's intalled on and depoit it in the form of a tar.gz ?
[20:04] <plongshot> depoit\deposit
[20:14] <plongshot> I found an answer. ty
[21:23] <_KaszpiR_> dd ;D
[22:14] <plongshot> Are there any known challenges to using wildfly on ubuntu server 18.04?
[22:16] <plongshot> considering the fact that it's a rhel developed application and they use yum (a different package manager). So would there be any problem installing, configuring, using?
[22:41] <tomreyn> plongshot: well the primary issue will be that it's not available (via APT) in ubuntu
[22:42] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~ilanddev/+archive/ubuntu/wildfly-15?field.series_filter=bionic may help there if that's an acceptable version


[04:46] <Abe> I wanted to try this widget but it just gives me an error qtquick version 2.4 is not installed. http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=33426856
[05:08] <DJ_> hi
[05:09] <davidjb_> Hi
[07:17] <krakenskulls> is it possible to switch to mysql 5.6 on kubuntu 14.04?
[07:18] <krakenskulls> i'm trying to install that package, but it looks like it will really hose my system
[08:38] <excalibr> krakenskulls, what's the current version in the repo
[09:08] <FloppyBoppy> Hi
[09:08] <FloppyBoppy> Is Kubuntu distro dead?
[09:09] <FloppyBoppy> shall we migrate all to openSUSE?
[09:13] <foormea> why do you say it's dead?
[09:14] <FloppyBoppy> foormea, I 've heard the main developers team left
[09:16] <foormea> uhuh
[09:17] <FloppyBoppy> They moved to this distro -> http://www.netrunner.com which is based on Kubuntu
[09:20] <Graf_Westerholt> FloppyBoppy, I do not think the main developer team left.
[09:23] <valorie> FloppyBoppy: what an odd question
[09:24] <valorie> of course not
[09:24] <valorie> some of our leads did step back from positions they formerly held, that's true
[09:24] <valorie> and new people have stepped up
[09:24] <valorie> of course we would get things out more quickly with more packagers
[09:25] <FloppyBoppy> will these changes compromise the stability of next releases?
[09:25] <valorie> no
[09:25] <valorie> we only release tested, stable stuff
[09:26] <valorie> and these days, we have continuous integration at two levels, up in KDE, and in Ubuntu and Kubuntu itself
[09:26] <valorie> so I think we're better quality than we ever have been before
[09:26] <FloppyBoppy> Integrating Plasma 5 into the distro is a big step up
[09:26] <valorie> however, OpenSuse is great
[09:26] <valorie> if you prefer it, try it out
[09:27] <valorie> FloppyBoppy: we've had Plasma 5 for about a year
[09:27] <valorie> it's not new
[09:27] <regedit-work> hello
[09:27] <FloppyBoppy> the distro that will be able to reach high desktop stability using Plasma 5 will get more attention
[09:27] <regedit-work> after upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10 is it normal to have 3 past kernels; 3.19.0-32-generic, 3.19.0-33-generic, 3.19.0-39-generic aside from the current 4.2.0-19-generic ?
[09:27] <soundscout> Good morning. :) I'd like to know if someone can point me to a way to get around plasma crashing, when configuring ktelepathy with a google account?
[09:28] <valorie> we're up to 5.5 when that comes out, in the next week or so
[09:29] <valorie> regedit-work: you can run `sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove`
[09:29] <FloppyBoppy> valorie, although a good step forward i found it a bit buggy in 15.10 still, I had to get back to LTS
[09:29] <valorie> FloppyBoppy: have you filed bug reports?
[09:30] <FloppyBoppy> yes
[09:30] <valorie> oh good
[09:30] <FloppyBoppy> always do
[09:30] <valorie> excellent
[09:30] <valorie> thanks for that contribution
[09:35] <regedit-work> valorie: that doesnt seem to remove those older kernels / grub boot options
[09:35] <valorie> really?
[09:35] <valorie> hmmm
[09:35] <valorie> always does for me
[09:36] <valorie> I copied that from my own working command
[09:39] <FloppyBoppy> regedit-work, autoremove should clean them out
[09:40] <regedit-work> so uh, what if it doesnt?...
[09:41] <valorie> regedit-work: did it not ask you to restart when it was done?
[09:41] <valorie> please pastebin the readout
[09:41] <valorie> control+shift+C
[09:41] <valorie> !paste
[09:42] <FloppyBoppy> regedit-work,  otherwise try dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[09:42] <FloppyBoppy> and remove the ones that you are not using with dpkg -l | grep linux-image-[NUM]-generic
[09:43] <valorie> I think getting the apt tools working is a better way
[09:43] <valorie> not that the old kernels are causing any harm by laying about
[09:43] <FloppyBoppy> to know your kernel type in terminal "uname -r" Just don't delete that one
[09:51] <regedit-work> valorie: there was a whole lot of output the previous time i ran it, a lot of lines starting with "Del", but i restarted since and dont have that output saved...
[09:51] <regedit-work> nno it just says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove 0 not upgraded
[09:51] <regedit-work> *now it just says...
[09:52] <valorie> :(
[09:52] <valorie> so how do you know you still have old kernels?
[09:53] <regedit-work> valorie: options in grub boot menu?
[09:53] <valorie> ah, still there
[09:54] <valorie> and why do they bother you?
[09:54] <valorie> are you short of space?
[09:56] <regedit-work> i am generally disturbed by my problematic troublesome upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10
[09:56] <regedit-work> which froze midaway, crashed system, and made the machine unbootable
[09:57] <regedit-work> i had to make a live USB to recover
[09:57] <regedit-work> and slowly run command after command to try and get things back to sanity
[09:57] <regedit-work> at this point it seems i might be able to go on using the machine as if things might actually work out ok
[09:57] <valorie> that sounds rather dire
[09:58] <valorie> I've gone through a few bad upgrades
[09:58] <regedit-work> but i want to double-check & iron out any weird stuff i find, such as too many boot options / old kernels seemingly hanging around
[09:58] <valorie> right
[09:58] <valorie> most important is to keep good backups
[09:59] <valorie> because a new install is quick and easy
[09:59] <FloppyBoppy> regedit-work, did your computer turn off before finishing the update?
[10:00] <regedit-work> FloppyBoppy: i think it hung about 80% through
[10:00] <regedit-work> during an update initramfs something kernel 4.2.0 or something maybe
[10:01] <regedit-work> after recovering i ran sudo apt-get -f install which told me to run dpkg --configure -a
[10:01] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:01] <regedit-work> which seemed to do a whole lot of things, *maybe* akin to finishing up the upgrade?... i sunno
[10:01] <regedit-work> *dunno
[10:02] <FloppyBoppy> If it hung during a distro upgrade, i am afraid the best solution for you will be to do a clean install
[10:03] <valorie> regedit-work: you did the right thing
[10:04] <valorie> in fact, sometimes I've fixed it by running those both multiple times
[10:04] <valorie> until everything was clean and tidy
[10:04] <OpenSorce> Is anyone using voice commands?
[10:05] <OpenSorce> Just looking for a recommendation of what you use.
[10:05] <lordievader> OpenSorce: At times...
[10:05] <OpenSorce> What are you using for that? Simon?
[10:06] <lordievader> I use a highly modified version of Voximp if I do.
[10:06] <lordievader> More pocketsphinx than Voximp at this point, but it started out as a Voximp modification.
[10:06] <OpenSorce> lordievader, hmm... what I need really only has to listen for one command and launch one thing.
[10:07] <lordievader> Pocketsphinx can do that for you.
[10:07] <OpenSorce> lordievader, excellent! I'll look into it. Thanks for your help :-)
[10:08] <FloppyBoppy> !meta
[10:08] <regedit-work> valorie: ye i re ran those commands multiple times. i *hope* i can go on using this installation of the OS as is, the remaining quirks just irk/worry me...
[10:09] <valorie> tell us the worrying quirks, and perhaps we can help
[10:10] <QVIKti455> Hello ~!~
[10:12] <regedit-work> valorie: 1 grub entry for booting into Windows Boot Manager has turned into 4 very weird looking ones, each with another variation/mix of the words "efi, boot manager, windows," and such. This happened after boot-repair i believe
[10:16] <regedit-work> valorie: and, under Advanced Options for booting ubuntu, there are 3 additional kernels (each with their recovery version) aside for the current one
[10:19] <regedit-work> valorie: i am mostly just worried whether 1) the upgrade was after all is said & done "complete", or are there unresolved half-done problems waiting to reveal themselves 2) are these weird grub boot options indicative of deeper evils
[10:22] <regedit-work> also, are you still there :)
[10:23] <lordievader> regedit-work: IRC is, in contrary to popular belief, an indirect medium ;)
[10:25] <regedit-work> lordievader: i must not be understanding what your're meaning with that
[10:26] <lordievader> Questions like 'are you still there' imply a direct medium, IRC is not.
[10:27] <lordievader> Valorie will most likely come back in a bit and answer your question, else she'll, most likely, answer it tommorow.
[10:28] <regedit-work> right
[10:28] <regedit-work> oh well then
[10:30] <jure> Is it possible to force one instance of Dolphin with multiple tabs instead of opening new window every time?
[10:44] <valorie> I'm back, but the whole channel is a help channel
[10:44] <valorie> I have no special knowledge, regedit-work
[10:45] <valorie> jure: in views, you can split the window
[10:45] <valorie> as many times as you want
[10:45] <valorie> I don't know why they don't call it tabbing
[10:45] <valorie> however, it approaches 3am here, so ttfn
[10:46] <valorie> regedit-work: you could try running `sudo grub-repair`
[10:46] <valorie> perhaps it is just grub being stupid
[10:46] <valorie> ciao
[10:57] <regedit-work> valorie: i believe the command is update-grub, which i have indeed run plenty of times...
[11:32] <OpenSorce> Grrr... still no luck with making my wife's laptop listen for a single voice command. Oh well, she'll have to keep clicking an icon to bring up her assistant. si la vie :-P
[11:36] <Crystals> I've just installed Kubuntu for the first time on my computer, and I'm having a lot of issues.
[11:36] <Crystals> I'm unable to open the menu in the bottom left with a mouseclick
[11:37] <Crystals> Same goes for the maximize button on firefox
[12:03] <lordievader> OpenSorce: Try out voximp, pretty easy implementation of pocketsphinx.
[12:03] <lordievader> OpenSorce: https://code.google.com/p/voximp/downloads/list
[12:03] <OpenSorce> lordievader, yeah, it's not picking up her mic for some reason.
[12:04] <lordievader> That sounds like a config issue.
[12:04] <OpenSorce> lordievader, I'll probably figure it out tomorrow.
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:37] <Smurphy> Mornig
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Morning Smurphy
[14:19] <CrystalMare> I'm having issues with Kubuntu 15.10
[14:19] <CrystalMare> My window manager seems to be unresponsive to mouse input
[14:19] <CrystalMare> The pointer works, just clicking seems to bug out
[14:20] <CrystalMare> It renders kubuntu unuseable
[14:26] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, but your keyboard input works ok?
[14:26] <CrystalMare> Yes
[14:26] <CrystalMare> The mouse seems to work at times
[14:26] <CrystalMare> But whenever I switch window it does not register clicks
[14:26] <CrystalMare> When I used the keyboard to open firefox, I was able to click inside firefox
[14:26] <CrystalMare> But the maximize button was not responding
[14:26] <BluesKaj> hm, cabled or wirless mouse ?
[14:26] <CrystalMare> Wired
[14:26] <CrystalMare> Madcatz RAT 5
[14:27] <CrystalMare> The scrollwheel does seem to work at times
[14:28] <CrystalMare> https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/477717-Mouse-control-issues-with-KDE-Plasma
[14:28] <CrystalMare> That describes my issues pretty accurately
[14:28] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, I have to ask, are your packages up to date
[14:28] <CrystalMare> Fresh Install
[14:28] <CrystalMare> I checked the box "update" during the installation process
[14:32] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, which graphics chip?
[14:32] <CrystalMare> Nvidia GTX570, although I haven't installed drivers yet
[14:34] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, open a terminal and do: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, then we can check the graphics driver recommended for your gpu
[14:34] <CrystalMare> Blues, let me switch to Kubuntu
[14:34] <CrystalMare> I'm dualbooting atm
[14:34] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:34] <CrystalMare> I'll login with KiwiIRC
[14:34] <CrystalMare> brb, apreciate the help
[14:41] <CrystalMare2> BluesKaj: I've started it
[14:41] <CrystalMare2> What did you want me to run again ?
[14:42] <CrystalMare2> Just update packages ?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2, open a terminal and do: sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[14:42] <CrystalMare2> Its downloading about 138MB right now
[14:43] <CrystalMare2> Also, it took 3 minutes to load the desktop environment
[14:43] <CrystalMare2> I'm running this OS from an SSD
[14:44] <BluesKaj> then to upgrade any kernel modules after the upgrades are finished run, sudo apt dist-upgrade
[14:45] <CrystalMare2> Alright, I'll keep you posted.
[14:45] <CrystalMare2> Yeah, the entire desktop is unresponsive right now O.o
[14:45] <CrystalMare2> I have to use Alt-Tab to switch
[14:45] <CrystalMare2> But clicking inside the app works
[14:47] <BluesKaj> you probly need to reboot
[14:55] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2, do you have a linux swap? and a swap entry in /etc/fstab, if so remove it and add swapon /dev/sdXX to /etc/rc.local just above the exit line.
[14:56] <CrystalMare3> BluesKaj: I'm still having issues
[14:57] <CrystalMare3> I've just restarted
[14:57] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2, do you have a linux swap? and a swap entry in /etc/fstab, if so remove it and add swapon /dev/sdXX to /etc/rc.local just above the exit line, sdXX being the swap partition
[14:57] <CrystalMare3> I dont swap
[14:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:57] <CrystalMare3> I've got 16GB ram
[14:57] <CrystalMare3> I figured I dont need it
[14:58] <BluesKaj> I was addressing a possible delay by systemd searching for the swap
[14:58] <BluesKaj> boot delay
[14:58] <CrystalMare3> Ah
[14:58] <CrystalMare3> The desktop environment loaded faster this time
[14:58] <CrystalMare3> (after entering the password)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> 16Gb Ram is lots , no swap needed IMO
[14:58] <CrystalMare3> That's why ;)
[14:59] <CrystalMare3> Could having dualmonitor have anything to do with this ?
[14:59] <CrystalMare3> :o this is odd
[14:59] <BluesKaj> ok  system settings>driver manager
[14:59] <CrystalMare3> If I point my mouse over the clock in the bottom-left, it does do the hover
[15:00] <CrystalMare3> I dont know how to reach that, my mouse doesnt work :3
[15:00] <CrystalMare3> nvm, got it
[15:00] <BluesKaj> dual monitor setups are not my strong suit
[15:00] <CrystalMare3> Its asking about my graphics driver
[15:01] <CrystalMare3> binary, legacy binary or Xorg
[15:01] <BluesKaj> does it recommend one?
[15:01] <CrystalMare3> nvidia binary yes
[15:01] <BluesKaj> right choose that one
[15:02] <BluesKaj> it's on the nouveau atm which is the default for all new installs with nvidia gpus
[15:02] <CrystalMare3> ah
[15:02] <CrystalMare3> its installing packages now
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ok , think you'll see a different response with your mouse and kwin/window manager
[15:04] <CrystalMare3> Its at 33%
[15:04]  * CrystalMare3 has bad internet
[15:04] <BluesKaj> np, it takes a while to DL and Install the driver
[15:05] <BluesKaj> drom the repository
[15:05] <BluesKaj> from
[15:05] <CrystalMare3> Yeah, I figured
[15:05] <CrystalMare3> Its been 3 years since I last used linux for a desktop environment
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hope it's just a driver problem
[15:05] <CrystalMare3> I've been running Ubuntu on my servers for a long time now
[15:06]  * BluesKaj nods
[15:06] <CrystalMare3> Lets hope this works :D
[15:06] <CrystalMare3> I assume this requires a restart ?
[15:07] <CrystalMare3> Or would restarting the X server be enough ?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> yes, if you notifications enabled in your system tray it should pop up, but otherwise once the installer is finished,, reboot
[15:08] <CrystalMare3> Okay, I'm rebooting
[15:12] <CrystalMare2> BluesKaj: it still does not work
[15:13] <CrystalMare2> Like for example: I can press the application-launcher in the bottom left
[15:13] <CrystalMare2> But I can not click any of its entries
[15:14] <CrystalMare2> But using the scroll-wheel to cycle through the categories does work
[15:14] <CrystalMare2> As if the X server does not recognise the window switching
[15:15] <CrystalMare2> On another forum someone was talking about the mouse having re-mapped some of the buttons in the X config
[15:15] <CrystalMare2> But my experience with X is next to none
[15:15] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2, system settings>display configuration>compositor try different renedring backend settings in the drop down
[15:17] <CrystalMare2> Is that under advanced settings ?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2,  you could try sudo nvidia-xconfig in the terminal
[15:18] <CrystalMare2> Warning: unable to locate X configuration File
[15:18] <CrystalMare2> it created a new file
[15:18] <CrystalMare2> How do I restart Xorg
[15:19] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare2, let me correct; system settings>display & monitor>compositor try different renedring backend settings in the drop down
[15:19] <CrystalMare2> Open GL 2.1, 3 or Xrender
[15:20] <BluesKaj> OpenGL 3.1 should work as a renderer for your gpu
[15:20] <CrystalMare2> Alright, do I have to restart the X server now ?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> you can try a logout and login
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> BluesKaj: that seems to have done it!
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> The menu now actually responds and has proper hovers
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> And I can actually interact with the maximize buttons
[15:23] <BluesKaj> ok , what about mouse clicks?
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> All good now
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> I can click on the menu
[15:23] <BluesKaj> cool
[15:23] <CrystalMare3> And do things with this
[15:24] <CrystalMare3> Awesome!
[15:24] <CrystalMare3> You made my day!
[15:24] <CrystalMare3> What does the composer actually do then ?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> happy to help CrystalMare3
[15:25] <BluesKaj> !compositor
[15:25] <BluesKaj> !info compositor
[15:26] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare3, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KWin
[15:27] <CrystalMare3> So its the implementation of the window system >?
[15:27] <CrystalMare3> Much like winforms on windows ?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> not sure , my windows experience has been rather limited over the last 10 yrs
[15:38] <CrystalMare3> Going to see if my Xonar D1 can work alongside my Motherboard soundcard
[15:38] <CrystalMare3> So I can use both
[15:38] <BluesKaj> !kwin
[15:38] <BluesKaj> !info kwin
[15:39] <BluesKaj> not much info there
[15:42] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare3, I had my m-audio 1832 working alongside the inte hda for 3 yrs til I got fed up with pulseaudio which the m-s=audio card driver needed to function on website/flash/audio
[15:42] <CrystalMare3> Seems though that spotify does not work
[15:42] <BluesKaj> oops m-audio 192
[15:42] <CrystalMare3> It doesn't launch :3
[15:43] <CrystalMare3> spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libgcrypt.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:45] <CrystalMare3> Got it
[15:45] <CrystalMare3> Installed some missing things
[15:47] <CrystalMare3> BluesKaj:  how can i configure an application to use another audio output ?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> in system settings > multimedia choose your pci card as the default or "Card 0", then your onboard audio chip as "Card1"  for starters
[15:50] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare,^
[15:56] <BluesKaj> CrystalMare, then to find the audio drivers, cat /proc/asound/modules , we'll need to list these in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
[16:08] <NoCode> Is there an easy fix to get JACK and Flash/ Firefox working with Kubuntu 15.10? I just want to listen to, and watch videos while JACK and Ardour are turned on.
[16:10] <BluesKaj> NoCode, try #jack chat, they might have more experience with ypir kind of audio setup
[16:11] <BluesKaj> your
[16:11] <NoCode> Thanks, am there now. :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> yeah saw that
[16:12] <BluesKaj> I'm kind of curious about jack, found it confusing
[16:13] <lordievader> Jack is low latency, other than that it is a PITA, if you ask me.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> jack was around before pulseaudio iirc, and with PA onboard it really mucks up the mix for jack
[16:23] <RandomNoob> Hello guys. Is there chance to change size of the top bar of window? it is too large
[16:23] <RandomNoob> that line where is minimize maximize close
[17:21] <mrmagoo> anyone know what would cause missing icons across multiple applications? ie control center and dolphin and the menu
[17:21] <mrmagoo> I just did a fresh install and then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[17:21] <mrmagoo> 15.10
[17:22] <mrmagoo> should I be asking here or in #kde?
[19:47] <Toast> Hi, has there been any significant improvement in colour management between 15:04 and 15.10?
[19:48] <Voyage_> how can I make my desktop a bit less glare?
[19:48] <Voyage_> how can I make my desktop a bit less glare? my laptop only has an option to dim the display, not change hue/saturation or contrast
[20:01] <scottn_work> Voyage_: Not exactly what you want but may help - have a look at redshift - http://jonls.dk/redshift/ - dims your screen according to time of day
[20:01] <Voyage_> thanks
[20:04] <RandomNoob> guys im installing themes but in menu i cant see them ?
[20:10] <jubo2> Uhh..
[20:10] <jubo2> something wrong with locks
[20:10] <jubo2> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:11] <jubo2> I needed to remove some lockfile (not this one) because I looked at a conf file diff and didn't figure how to get out of it and killed the apt process
[20:12] <jubo2> Yeah..
[20:12] <jubo2> sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/lock lock-old
[20:12] <jubo2> could this cause the new lock probelm?
[20:13] <jubo2> what to do? pls help, is kubuntu
[20:14] <jaafar> Hi folks
[20:14] <jaafar> struggling to send files from my phone to my kubuntu system
[20:14] <jaafar> via bluetooth
[20:14] <jaafar> both sides think they are paired
[20:14] <jaafar> but attempts to send simply fail on the phone side
[20:14] <jaafar> any thoughts?
[20:15] <jaafar> phone says simply "connection unsuccessful"
[20:16] <jaafar> nothing appears in dmesg output
[20:16] <jubo2> jaafar: have you tried using KDE Connect instead
[20:16] <jubo2> it uses wlan to connect machines and phones
[20:17] <jaafar> Well, bluetooth is designed for this purpose and I think it should work, after all :)
[20:17] <jaafar> If I get desperate enough I will consider alternatives
[20:18] <jaafar> but... it's such a simple and common usage
[20:18] <jaafar> it would be strange for it not to work
[20:24] <RandomNoob> im installing themes and they are not shown in theme menu :(
[20:38] <regedit> hello
[20:38] <regedit> my system date/time is wrong and keeps being wrong upon reboots
[20:39] <regedit> sudo ntpdate -u ntp.ubuntu.com produces ntpdate[4522]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[20:39] <regedit> BIOS time is set to the correct EST time
[20:40] <regedit>  /etc/default/rcS says UTC=no, meaning linux is currently NOT assuming that the machine time is in UTC
[20:41] <regedit> sudo hwclock --hctosys does temporarily solve the issue for the current session, but problem resumes upon next reboot
[21:18] <clivejo_> whats KDE like on debian?
[23:23] <mparillo> My feeling was that for the average user, KDE on debian is pretty painful. For me, Kubuntu, then Mint, the Manjaro seem to be the KDE distros that work best. You will find some Open SUSE fans out there, but I am not one of them.


[03:23] <smoser> where does 'apt-install' in the server installer (debian-installer) come from?
[03:23] <smoser> i'm just wondering what changed that caused bug 912431
[03:30] <smoser> slangasek, cjwatson ? i'm sure one of you know.
[03:31] <smoser> we're hoping to do work on juju doing installs via cobbler during the rally, and this is currently broken
[03:34] <broder> smoser: i think it's in debian-installer-utils
[03:35] <broder> (source package0
[03:35] <broder> )
[03:49] <smoser> broder, you are correct of course. thank you.
[07:48] <pitti> slangasek: no, I haven't seen it myself either
[07:48] <pitti> Good morning
[09:44] <cjwatson> smoser: I will deal with your bug today
[09:45] <cjwatson> smoser: oh, you've already submitted an MP, cool
[10:11] <Laney> Riddell: Can you fix ~kubuntu-dev to have ~developer-membership-board as owner or admin please?
[10:25] <micahg> pitti: can you please copy firefox,mozvoikko,ubufox from {natty,oneiric}-proposed (bug 906389) to {natty-oneiric}-security
[10:33] <pitti> micahg: sure, copying to -updates as well
[10:33] <micahg> pitti: yep, that's fine :)
[10:36] <pitti> micahg: all done
[10:36] <micahg> pitti: thanks
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> yay \o/
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> now we're only 3.5 weeks until the firefox 10 release ;)
[10:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we're still ahead of Mozilla pushing out to everyone :)
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> and, 3.5 weeks to fix this KDE patch!
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> g'ah
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> it's way too late in the beta cycle to be making significant code changes
[11:01] <micahg> I'm hoping we'll have an upstream powerpc FTBFS fix by then
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> if we care about it, then we should just fix it rather than waiting for somebody else to do it ;)
[11:02] <micahg> glandium was working on it, I'll check in with him next week (he had a partial fix, but something was wrong), I filed a tracking bug for it
[11:41] <sveinse> I'm here because I don't know where else to ask. I hope it not OT:
[11:41] <sveinse> I'm trying to apt-get into a staging directory (on a Ubuntu system). I've used the apt config option RootDir to prefix into the staging dir. Then I run apt-get update. It downloads the indexes to the staging dir, however it fails at the end as it tries to access /var/lib/dpkg/lock without the staging dir prefix. Bug?
[11:41] <sveinse> On a Natty system, sorry
[11:42] <seb128> cjwatson, hey, is the .maintscript use documented somewhere?
[11:42] <seb128> i.e the format of the files, the version of dpkg needed, the pre-depends stuff etc?
[11:43] <seb128> somewhere like in a manpage or a wiki, I keep looking for examples on my disk every time I set one, I didn't find a reference documentation
[11:43] <cjwatson> seb128: Pre-Depends documented in dpkg-maintscript-helper(1), file format documented in dh_installdeb(1)
[11:43] <sveinse> When strace-ing the apt-get, I see that it uses the proper stage dir prefix as setup in the config, except at the end where it tries to access the host's dpkg lock file.
[11:44] <cjwatson> and in fact the latter documents the substvar needed so that you don't need to know the precise pre-depends version
[11:45] <seb128> cjwatson, ok thanks
[12:14] <pitti> jibel: is bug 911813 covered by the daily auto-upgrade tests?
[12:15] <pitti> jibel: I think I know what's wrong, but as it takes ages to reproduce, could we just wait for the next auto-run to verify?
[12:15] <pitti> The fix I'm doing is necessary anyway, I'm just only 90% sufe it's sufficient
[12:15] <pitti> "sure"
[12:18] <pitti> jibel: ah, and it's a race condition, too; if gdm gets configured before lightm, it happens, otherwise not
[12:44] <jibel> pitti, no, the test didn't discovered it. It's on my todo to find why.
[12:44] <pitti> jibel: might just have been lucky, it's a race condition
[12:45] <jibel> pitti, very lucky then because I reproduced it more than once.
[13:46] <mdeslaur> cyphermox: happy new year: 912758
[16:08] <krinetic> just filed bug#912818
[16:33] <smoser> bug 912818
[16:42] <krinetic> changed it to affect gnome-settings-daemon
[16:53] <bdmurray> pitti: might bug 911834 be related to bug 905602?
[16:59] <pitti> bdmurray: at first sight it's a different problem; maybe over three corners
[16:59] <pitti> bdmurray: I'll follow up with a question
[17:00] <bdmurray> pitti: are there likely to be lots of dupes of 905602 though?
[17:00] <pitti> bdmurray: asked and sub'ed
[17:00] <pitti> bdmurray: I did a bug search for _decode_value, not that many actually
[17:00] <pitti> most of them duped themselves through apport
[17:00] <bdmurray> pitti: ah, great.
[17:03] <pitti> good night everyone, see you in Budapest!
[17:45] <SpamapS> you know what is *blatantly* missing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements  ? *documentation*
[17:48] <psusi> cjwatson: say, at what point do you think Ubuntu should drop grub-legacy?
[17:49] <cjwatson> psusi: I'm in no rush
[17:49] <psusi> why not?  grub2 has been in since hardy... ;)
[17:49] <cjwatson> there are still enough corner cases of one kind or another; I don't see a need to deliberately break them
[17:50] <ogra_> we should drop it as soon as we drop lilo ;)
[17:50] <psusi> hrm... is there a list of them so that grub2 can be fixed to handle them?
[17:50] <psusi> well, lilo still has upstream support doesn't it?  so that's just a matter of preference
[17:50] <cjwatson> not coherently.  xen support is a big one, which I know is in the works
[17:50] <cjwatson> but there are probably various odd bugs
[17:51] <psusi> xen support?  what's wrong there?  I thought we recently got a xen package that you just install and it sets up grub2 to load the xen hypervisor as the kernel and the kernel and initrd as modules and off it goes?
[17:52] <cjwatson> grub2 doesn't have any xen support
[17:52] <cjwatson> as in guest
[17:53] <cjwatson> I'm not talking about the hypervisor
[17:53] <psusi> I thought the guest didn't use grub... that the xen tools just loaded the kernel and initrd directly
[17:53] <cjwatson> pvgrub
[17:54] <psusi> ohh... hrm... interesting...
[17:54] <cjwatson> hence e.g. grub-legacy-ec2
[17:54] <cjwatson> anyway, I don't see any reason to rush.  It takes negligible amounts of my time to maintain and it's no longer the default so it shouldn't get in people's way particularly
[17:55] <cjwatson> "maintain" i.e. leave alone and occasionally fix build bugs or whatever
[17:57]  * psusi wants to whack the bug list ;)
[18:00] <cjwatson> they aren't hurting anyone
[18:00] <psusi> cjwatson: which partman package deals with copying partitions?
[18:01] <cjwatson> partman-partitioning has the UI for it; the actual copy is done by a COPY_PARTITION command to parted_server (in partman-base) which is mostly implemented in libparted
[18:01] <cjwatson> (whether that works in libparted 3 I don't know)
[18:37] <infinity> @pilot in
[18:37] <infinity> I knew I forgot something today.
[19:10] <slangasek> jodh: bug #912558> maybe it's noteworthy that in his screenshot before the crash, he's getting a lot of spam from udev due to a broken rule in /etc/udev/rules.d?
[19:14] <jodh> slangasek: can you point me at the screenshot you're looking at as the one on that bug doesn't mention udev (?)
[19:14] <jodh> slangasek: the good news is that daviey and I have -- we believe -- just identified the problem causing the assert failure :)
[19:15] <slangasek> jodh: ah, what's the problem?
[19:15] <slangasek> jodh: the one showing udev is this: http://bootie.daviey.com/~dave/erk/precise-init-crash.jpg
[19:15] <slangasek> apparently Daviey trimmed the context when posting to the bug!  Bad bug submitter! :)
[19:16] <jodh> slangasek: that seriously hurts my eyes :)
[19:17] <jodh> slangasek: if upstart attempts to run a single-line *non-existent* command with no shell meta-characters in it, the assertion fires.
[19:17]  * slangasek blinks
[19:17] <slangasek> how specific!
[19:17] <slangasek> so he has some non-standard job on his system that's triggering it?
[19:17] <jodh> slangasek: yeah!
[19:18] <slangasek> oh, because that's tied in with getting a different return value from exec(), right
[19:18] <jodh> slangasek: I have a fix for it but it'll need atleast 1 new build test and 1 new runtime test (so prolly tomorrow).
[19:18] <slangasek> ok
[19:18] <jodh> slangasek: yes, so the child process fails in that specific instance and the io watch therefore has an invalid fd to watch, hence the follow-on "bad file descriptor" error.
[19:20]  * slangasek nods
[19:21] <jodh> slangasek: so, you hit this bug if you've removed a package but the .conf files persist, as they refer to non-existent binaries.
[19:22] <jodh> slangasek: I'll update the bug with this and a script folks can run to convince me I've fully understood the problem.
[19:49] <SpamapS> jodh: nice work finding it (and hiding from your arch-nemesis, jhunt ;)
[19:53] <jodh> SpamapS: thanks. Yeah, he shadows me everywhere. Keep catching glimpses of him in the mirror... He *so* needs a haircut.
[20:18] <dupondje> Its still planned to removed vinage & rdesktop and switch to remmina & freerdp ?
[22:03] <SpamapS> does anyone else get a nice warm fuzzy when they turn on the test suite for a package build? Like.. you have suddenly done the security team and the users a nice big favor that you didn't have to? ;-)
[22:03] <kees> +1
[22:04] <SpamapS> now if only java test suites didn't take *days* to run. :-P
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> it's ok until the tests start hanging your builds ;)
[22:04] <SpamapS> yeah I think ZK's test suite may literally take days to run on arm. :-P
[22:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: you need a beowulf cluster of armhf then, obviously
[22:08] <SpamapS> lifeless: btw, we still can't triage bugs in the server team. :(
[22:08] <lifeless> SpamapS: the bug is still open and escalated, yes ?
[22:09] <SpamapS> lifeless: yes
[22:09] <lifeless> good good
[22:10] <SpamapS> I know there's nothing more we can do.. but..  :-P
[22:14] <jdstrand> SpamapS: every time :)
[22:14] <SpamapS> 60% of the time, it fails, every time
[22:15] <jdstrand> I was responding to the good feeling
[22:15] <jdstrand> :)
[22:16] <SpamapS> ah good
[22:16] <SpamapS>     [junit] Running org.apache.zookeeper.test.QuorumTest
[22:16] <SpamapS>     [junit] Tests run: 14, Failures: 0, Errors: 0, Time elapsed: 185.082 sec
[22:17] <SpamapS> paging performance? performance? no, sit down java


[17:32] <ktt> Hello. Could someone explain me in a nutshell, how Unity gets notified about desktop file location of JS applications? Like org.gnome.Maps and so on.
[17:37] <greyback> ktt: desktop files go in /usr/share/applications (system-wide apps) and $HOME/.local/share/applications (user-only apps)
[17:38] <greyback> Unity should be watching for any file additions/removals of those directories - but I know from experience there can be latency before it notices
[17:41] <ktt> Yes, I know. But that's not what I'm having trouble with. Gnome Maps is a JS app! It doesn't have desktop file property in xprop output, neither it has embedded X icon.
[17:43] <ktt> And moreover, executable path/name is /usr/bin/gjs. And nevertheless Unity can find it's .desktop file. Even if I launch it from the terminal.
[17:44] <greyback> ktt: unity is using heuristics to link GUI process to desktop files. It will read the executable path/name and search for any desktop files with that in the Exec= line
[17:45] <Saviq> ktt, the project doing that is bamf
[17:45] <Saviq> https://launchpad.net/bamf
[17:45] <ktt> Cool, thanks! I was just studying it's code.
[17:46] <ktt> After almost a day investigating Unity itself.
[17:46] <ktt> Should have come and ask earlier.
[17:47] <ktt> Oh. And also libappstream.


[21:13] <misteryJOE> it seems i have mir server running , does anyone know how to start Xorg ontop of mirserver?