[02:39] <mevon> hello anyone ever build an SD boot for an A10S device?
[16:24] <drasko> Failed to fetch http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.9_armhf.deb  404  Not Found
[16:24] <drasko> any ideas?
[16:24] <ogra_> apt-get update
[16:29] <drasko> ogra_, error still persists
[16:29] <ogra_> what release are you using ?
[16:30] <drasko> Precise LTS
[16:31] <ogra_> do you have precise-security enabled ?
[16:32] <drasko> nope
[16:32] <drasko> should I?
[16:32] <ogra_> yeah
[16:32] <drasko> OKm let me retry
[16:32] <ogra_> seems 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.9 was superseded by 5.10
[16:33] <ogra_> ah, but it landed in precise-updates, not security, so make sure to have that enabled
[16:33] <drasko> yes, theser are bot enabled infact
[16:34] <drasko> but I did not have multiverse and universe
[16:34] <drasko> just restricted
[16:35] <ogra_> well, you are downloading something from main there
[16:35] <ogra_> so that wont matter
[16:36] <ogra_> you definitelly need precise-updates though
[16:37] <drasko> wll enabled, still having the same error
[16:37] <drasko> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ precise-updates/main openssl armhf 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.9
[16:37] <drasko> 404  Not Found
[16:37] <drasko> I did apt-get update, off course
[16:38] <ogra_> precise-updates doesnt have 2.9
[16:38] <ogra_> err
[16:38] <ogra_> 5.9
[16:39] <ogra_> why would it try to download that
[16:39] <drasko> No idea
[16:39] <ogra_> grep updates /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:39] <ogra_> how do your sources.list lines look like for it ?
[16:40] <drasko> http://pastebin.com/vjMn97D0
[16:40] <infinity> There's no way that would persist after an 'apt-get update' unless you're behind a reverse proxy that's messing with you.
[16:40] <drasko> infinity, no, but I am in chrooted ARM system with wemu
[16:40] <drasko> *qemu
[16:41] <infinity> That shouldn't matter.
[16:41] <drasko> should not matter, though
[16:41] <ogra_> hmm, looks all fine
[16:41] <infinity> Show me the output of apt-get update?
[16:41] <ogra_> i clearly see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/openssl/1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10
[16:41] <ogra_> and http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/o/openssl/ has it too
[16:41] <infinity>    openssl | 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10 | precise-security | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[16:41] <infinity>    openssl | 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10 | precise-updates | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc
[16:41] <ogra_> yeah
[16:41] <infinity> Yeah, 5.10 is clearly current in both updates and security.
[16:42] <infinity> drasko: Output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy openssl"
[16:43] <drasko> http://pastebin.com/wGtmCbBe
[16:43] <drasko> http://pastebin.com/eQ8uitpv
[16:44] <ogra_> hmm, any proxy in your LAN ?
[16:45] <drasko> nope
[16:45] <drasko> All used to work just fine
[16:47] <infinity> Well, that's absolutely not what's in the Packages files on ports...
[16:50] <infinity> Furthemore, 5.10 was released to updates 6 days ago, so if it's a proxy messing with you, it's a really, really broken proxy.
[16:51] <infinity> drasko: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* and update harder?  If you still get stale packages files, it's definitely a proxy between you and us.
[16:55] <drasko> infinity, after I removed the problematic file the problem is corrected
[16:55] <drasko> thanks
[21:31] <srwarren> So, I want to build an install CD (really an install SD card) for Ubuntu for my ARM system...
[21:31] <srwarren> I've built the saucy kernel and validated it boots OK on my system
[21:32] <srwarren> I've built a debian-installer image, both netinstall and cdrom (for armhf generic) and see that the installer runs when I boot with the initrd
[21:32] <srwarren> Next up I need to create the CD image with all the packages etc. At the moment, I don't really care if it's server, alternate, ... just something (I only have a serial port on many of my systems anyway, so text mode and non-live is best for now)
[21:33] <srwarren> Should I be looking at ubuntu-cdimage to do that? It seems to have all kinds of hard-coded SSH host names and paths like /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com, which makes running it locally for dev/test problematic...
[21:55] <cooloney> hey ogra_ and rsalveti
[21:55] <cooloney> do you guys have any idea about the questions from srwarren?
[21:58] <rsalveti> yeah, need to check how that's done in ubuntu-cdimage/livecd-rootfs
[21:58] <rsalveti> ogra_ should know most of what is needed there
[21:58] <rsalveti> guess you could create a similar image as done for omap4
[21:58] <cooloney> rsalveti: thanks, how's going? long time no talk.
[21:59] <srwarren> rsalveti, yeah I'm trying to look at ubuntu-cdimage now. The issue is it seems a little tied to Canonical infra-structure, so I'm not sure how to get it running locally
[21:59] <rsalveti> cooloney: hey, good, indeed :-)
[21:59] <rsalveti> cooloney: busy with ubuntu-touch, and you?
[21:59] <cooloney> rsalveti: yeah, i know, i'm playing with v4l2 camera stuff for Tegra
[22:00] <rsalveti> cool
[22:00] <rsalveti> upstreaming or just enabling it atm?
[22:00] <cooloney> rsalveti: so you have a real ubuntu phone to play. hehe.
[22:00] <rsalveti> yeah :-)
[22:01] <cooloney> rsalveti: oh, firstly make that works internally and upstreaming it later.
[22:01] <rsalveti> got it :-)
[22:01] <rsalveti> where are the tegra 4 devices? :-)
[22:02] <cooloney> rsalveti: hah!!, try project shield!
[22:02] <rsalveti> yeah, that's a nice one
[22:02] <cooloney> rsalveti: good device for hacking
[22:03] <rsalveti> should be quite fast
[22:03] <cooloney> yeah, definitely. will you guys come to CA for some conference this year?
[22:04] <rsalveti> not sure yet, but we'll see
[22:04] <rsalveti> would be nice to have at least a sprint there
[22:05] <cooloney> i met some forks 2 months ago in Oakland. but didn't see you there


[05:04] <Bashing-om> A pause for the cause - my eyes are crossing . G Nite .
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:23] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje - how are you?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse im fine mate tnx
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: did you read the snap find article?
[07:24] <ducasse> yes, i did. surprised it got that much attention.
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah thought the same :p
[07:25] <OerHeks> hi lotuspsychje ducasse
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap find . it is
[07:25] <ducasse> morning, OerHeks
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks
[07:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: as the article says, that will only list 100 snaps, not all
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> ah
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> well i missing the same in software store on ubuntu-touch aswell
[07:26] <ducasse> i don't think it's right of canonical to say "write your own tool for this"
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> * gives the last 100 apps aswell, not all
[07:27] <OerHeks> man i can write tons of such articles, with our chats as basis
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:27] <ducasse> :)
[07:27] <OerHeks> .. but no credit :-(
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> perhaps there's a spy in here, writing stuff based on our conversations :p
[07:27] <ducasse> <_<
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> [SpyB0t]
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> hi baizon
[07:28] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[07:29] <OerHeks> ducasse, did you check out uappexplorer-cli ?
[07:29] <ducasse> not yet, i just looked at the website.
[07:30] <OerHeks> oh, and this dude didn't mention you experience the search issue in proposed ??
[07:30] <OerHeks> i can write 2x as much articles that way
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !info snapd
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: got the same issue on this version aswell, in main
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ snap find
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> error: cannot list snaps: empty query
[07:34] <OerHeks> oh right
[07:34] <ducasse> there should be a "snap show", there is obviously more metadata "snap find" doesn't list.
[07:35] <OerHeks> but there was a difference between stable and proposed
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> think it recently updated
[07:35] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that is the version from proposed
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> im not on proposed
[07:36] <OerHeks> me neither
[07:36] <ducasse> no, it has migrated to updates
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> yep
[07:37] <ducasse> odd it went through that quickly...
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/snapd-2-11-released-new-features
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so it wasnt a unity thing afterall
[07:39] <ducasse> nope :)
[07:40] <ducasse> libreoffice? not available yet, it seems...
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> i wonder how that works on the m10 tablet with libreoffice
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-bq-aquaris-m10-tablet/
[07:46] <ducasse> 11 "hello world" snaps - is that really necessary? In addition there are a bunch of test snaps.
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:47] <OerHeks> get them all!
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> http://snapcraft.io/
[08:03] <ducasse> interesting tablet article, lotuspsychje - have you tried the tablet yourself?
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: not yet, i still have the nexus7 with touch
[08:04] <ducasse> it's a bit pricey, but looks promising. too bad there aren't other interfaces, though ;)
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> im actually hoping they will find a way to install touch on 'any' device
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> that would make it interesting
[08:05] <ducasse> like any android phone?
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> i hear next OTA will bring android support
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-13-delayed-for-september-7-to-bring-android-6-0-bsp-support-507029.shtml
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> thrilling news :p
[08:11] <baizon> yay, skype is dead :D
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:13] <baizon> the last person i talked to that used skype finally switched to google, so no need for skype. I can finally remove it from my pc
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> oh they hacked iranian telegram accounts recently
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> opensource and safety needs a new lookup
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> baizon: have you tried this yet? https://ring.cx/
[08:18] <baizon> nope
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[08:21] <ducasse> looks interesting
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:22] <ducasse> ofc useless if nobody switches to it :)
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> thats always the problem
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> the big masses always stick of whats known/popular
[08:24] <ducasse> i've got to try this one, and convince a couple of others to install it. that's the hard part.
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> nobody cares of security for the ease of whatsapp, snapchat, fb chat etc
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> individuality narrow blindness
[08:25] <ducasse> my mother keeps insisting i use fb chat to send her messages, i keep refusing :)
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> same here i dont throw out personal data out there
[08:31] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: what do they mean by "vivid overlay" on the ota13 article? has ubuntu touch only got packages from the vivid repos?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no the ubuntu touch image is still based on 15.04 but that doesnt mean its eol
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: works in another way then ubuntu desktop
[08:33] <ducasse> i see. so it gets newer packages?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: packages are linked to the ubuntu software app store and all are available
[08:34] <ducasse> get it, thx :)
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but im bit unsure how thats linked to snap and apt-get
[08:34] <ducasse> the nexus devices can run touch, right? is a nexus 5 powerful enough?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> yes
[08:34] <OerHeks> lets count to 10 for the next ban in #ubuntu
[08:35] <ducasse> i friend has one for sale..
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: check !devices in #ubuntu-touch
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> not sure everything works on n5
[08:36] <ducasse> thanks, i will.
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> but its surely installable
[08:37] <ducasse> it would be fun to play with, i want a phone with a full emacs :)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i use it as my daily driver
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: just keep in mind, you cant install packages the terminal way like ubuntu desktop
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: for that you have to unlock phone dir, and updates wont work anymore
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: for safety they built it this way, only apps from the store can be installed
[08:39] <ducasse> aha, i see. you can only install what's available through the store without doing that?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> yes
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> i wanted this feature ate the start also, so i could install lets say nmap the terminal way..
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> but no luck :p
[08:40] <ducasse> snaps will probably fix that at some point, give a better selection.
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> yeah unity8 will bring whole other insights
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> i would rather have wanted a honeypot enviroment where we could safely experiment
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> install stuff our own way..
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> perhaps someday :p
[08:44] <ducasse> honeypot - do you mean sandbox?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah sandbox
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-14-04-5-lts-is-the-last-in-the-series-brings-xenial-xerus-linux-kernel-507019.shtml
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> http://windowsreport.com/windows-10-anniversary-update-deleting-linux-partitions/
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> nice find popey
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> ms loves linux!
[09:00] <OerHeks> ms changed to block unsigned drivers too.
[09:00] <OerHeks> that might be related too.
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> yeah throw out everything thats not genuine :p
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> that sounds very ms
[09:02] <OerHeks> this is pure vendor-lock-in
[09:22] <baizon> ofc, thats microsoft
[09:22] <baizon> they are full of crap
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:23] <baizon> thank god im windows free since 2014
[09:24]  * lotuspsychje celebrates too
[09:24]  * OerHeks got a sealed windows 95.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys lunchtime
[11:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:34] <ducasse> morning BluesKaj, all well?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, just fine thanks , and you?
[11:35] <ducasse> good, thanks. having a quiet day :)
[11:51] <\9> i was wondering when would microsoft start actively deleting linux partitions
[11:51] <\9> i never trusted windows not to do that
[11:56] <ducasse> are these just a few isolated cases, or more widespread?
[11:57] <OerHeks> i have no confirmation yet.
[11:57] <OerHeks> but odly enough upgrade booting isues
[12:32] <BluesKaj> \9  installing any OS will erase partitions if you use the auto-installer
[12:34] <\9> maybe, but not when updating
[12:36] <BluesKaj> well updating winows or any OS won't erase partitions
[12:36] <BluesKaj> windows even
[12:37] <BluesKaj> installing windows after linux usually just removes grub
[12:37] <ducasse> aiui this was on upgrade, not fresh install
[12:37] <OerHeks> things went bad when they shutdown flightsimulator.
[12:39] <\9> BluesKaj: at least until now
[12:40] <BluesKaj> uefi is a different story i guess. I'm not up to date on that mess
[12:44] <DJones> There have been a couple of updates latelt affecting secureboot and uefi, not tried to see how they affect the windows updates
[12:49] <OerHeks> catched this from ##linux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4wfgyg/psa_regarding_dualboot_windows_10_anniversary/
[12:50] <DJones> There was a user in #ubuntu-ukthat lost pretty much everything
[12:51] <DJones> Had to use photorec to recover files
[12:58] <BluesKaj> never seen windows wipe a drive that has extfs, it doesn't recognize them
[15:34] <Bashing-om> Restarting IRC client . brb .
[16:21] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Question, in the Xorg.0.log file is " (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Deleting GPU-0 " . Is this significant of a problem ? As we have " NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GM107-A) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)" found and loaded .
[16:22] <OerHeks> oh from waddup?
[16:22] <OerHeks> i take a look
[16:23] <daftykins> sure is
[16:23] <daftykins> though usually it's just in the log of getting unloaded then re-added
[16:24] <OerHeks> idd indeed
[16:24] <OerHeks> log daftykins >> http://pastebin.com/raw/18WHjBJ9
[16:25] <OerHeks> these lines see it proper 1494.606] (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Found DRM driver nvidia-drm (20150116)
[16:25] <OerHeks> [  1494.607] (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce GTX 750 Ti (GM107-A) at PCI:1:0:0 (GPU-0)
[16:25] <OerHeks> and later on indeed deleting GPU-0
[16:25] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Yeah that one .. daftykins What gets me is that the " Deleting GPU-0 " os the final entry in the log .. and no explanation of what is going on .
[16:26] <OerHeks> i have seen this once, with ati, the solution was to reset the monitor itself, to vendor defaults with its own menu buttons
[16:26] <daftykins> what was the user's original problem report?
 Bashing-om:  when I login sometimes the dash and menubar get all glitched up like this: https://img42.com/ihyP2+  If I click anything in the glitched area it suddenly looks normal. How can I troubleshoot this?
[16:28] <daftykins> hmm link doesn't work for me, guy must've deleted already perhaps?
[16:28] <daftykins> that nick seems like a trolly kind
[16:29] <daftykins> is it possible it's an old log?
[16:32] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Link works for me http://pastebin.com/raw/18WHjBJ9 ??
[16:34] <OerHeks> how would i de-ban you in #ubuntu ?
[16:34]  * OerHeks is ready for trouble in paradise
[16:38] <Bashing-om> A lot of the fun in the channel departed when daftykins failed to re-join .
[16:40] <OerHeks> true, the ban is surely with reason, but this is a woppyfloppysloppydoppy
[16:41] <OerHeks> oh, my wordfilter pops in :-D
[16:41] <OerHeks> i cannot call daftykins woppyfloppysloppydoppy anymore
[16:47] <Bashing-om> Life's little disappointments ^ !
[16:48] <daftykins> :) you're too kind!
[16:48] <daftykins> do we mean the fun of the people that trolled me, though? ;)
[16:52] <OerHeks> tons of them, people that are lonely, daftykins
[16:59] <daftykins> hehe
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening guys
[19:33] <Bashing-om> Good help has arrived !  When you changed .. did you run ' update-desktop-database ' . I do not know how this applies in systemd !
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> no?
[19:42] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: My notes says " for the change to take effect." .
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> lotuspsychje@RooTBooK:~$ update-desktop-database
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> The databases in [/usr/share/ubuntu/applications, /usr/share/gnome/applications, /usr/local/share/applications, /usr/share/applications, /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications] could not be updated.
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> sudo?
[19:44] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I know nothing ! .. upstart to systemd ??/ I do not know ??
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: think sudo worked
[19:46] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well .. maybe then some progress .. I am leary as can be in respect to commands/scripts that were upstart .. in the systemd environment .
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> brb testing wallpaper
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: didnt work that way
[20:07] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tried moving the logo folder to other dir also
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> its so weird, it never acted that way before
[20:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: changing to a background of default /usr/share/backgrounds is working
[20:20] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: but if i choose logo.svg on a colored background it goes back to the old logo
[20:31] <dax> lotuspsychje: "samsung 850 pro" is your SSD, right?
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> dax: yes sir
[20:31] <dax> lotuspsychje: how do you like it? i'm in the market and they're priced well right now
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> dax: i recommended it strongly
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: 10 years warranty and unbreakable
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> dax: they mostly use this for servers, and i rather like it for desktop aswell
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> dax: 128gig and 256gig are affordable too
[20:34] <lotuspsychje> i bought 10 of them for my business
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> anyway bbl sleeping time
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> nite nite to all
[21:35] <Bashing-om> thunderstorms .. shutting down .
[22:03] <dax> !binarydriver
[22:03] <dax> !amd
[22:03] <dax> !fglrxmissing
[22:03] <dax> fyi ^


[13:02] <kalikiana> zsombi: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uitk2/pull/4 All passing. Hail docker :-D
[13:02] <zsombi> hail :D
[15:50] <cannaman> I'm having trouble installing Android Studio on Ubuntu Mate on a RPI2
[15:50] <cannaman> Any advice?
[15:51] <cannaman> Unable to run mksdcard SDK tool.
[15:51] <cannaman> One common reason for this failure is missing required libraries
[15:51] <cannaman> Please fix the underlying issue and retry.
[18:24] <cannaman> I posted my issue on the Ubuntu Mate forum https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/installing-android-studio-on-ubuntu-mate/12189


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[06:07] <MartijnVdS> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010062.html
[08:37] <popey> Morning
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> morning popey
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ seen that announcement? ;)
[08:38] <popey> yeah
[08:39] <popey> trying to avoid as many fools as possible
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: better stay off the interwebs then :)
[09:03] <popey> there is that
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:06] <kvarley> I'm setting up a backup system for my parents laptops. Should I use rsync or owncloud or both or something else?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> Linux-only: Half-Life 4 - http://steamdb.info/app/800/#section_info
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> (sorry popey :))
[09:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:48] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:50] <SuperMatt> any sim city players in here?
[09:52] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[09:54] <SuperMatt> yes, I should have guessed
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> I played the first SimCity
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> and SC2K
[09:54] <SuperMatt> I guess I'll just  have to play with myself :(
[09:55] <directhex> i have simcity for SNES.
[09:55] <directhex> it has bowser attack as a disaster
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> directhex: instead of godzilla?
[09:55] <directhex> and this guy giving advice http://www.catchynamenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/sims3uo3.png
[10:10] <ikonia> loved sim city on the snes
[10:10] <ikonia> loving the new one on the PC too (sad to admit)
[10:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:35] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm :)
[10:38] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon :)
[10:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: would it be possible for us to add a little more detail to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ please?
[10:40] <bigcalm> Oh, looks like I can do it :)
[10:58] <bigcalm> AlanBell: popey: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ text updated. Please feel free to edit as required :)
[11:13]  * bigcalm looks for a hotel in Farnham that isn't the Hotel de Vie
[11:16] <bigcalm> Put "hotels in farnham" into google maps. Results include "Farnham Tyre and Exhaust Specialists"
[11:16] <bigcalm> Searching on google maps used to be useful :(
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: maybe they have a bed for you though?
[11:20] <kvarley> Is it possible to set kernel parameters after boot?
[11:20] <kvarley> I want to disable ipv6 on the kernel
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: sometimes.. and you don't want to disable ipv6
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> really, you don't.
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> you might want to disable SLAAC
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> (which you can do through /etc/sysctl.*
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> http://blackundertone.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/ipv6-static-address-on-ubuntu/
[11:22] <kvarley> Thanks
[11:22] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ta for the RT. Hope people show some interest :)
[11:23] <bigcalm> Wondering if I shouldn't have mentioned the stag do bit in my tweet
[11:34] <brobostigon> ch5,13:15, dr who and the daleks,
[11:42] <kvarley> bigcalm: Never knew you were a web developer! :)
[11:49] <bigcalm> kvarley: it's true
[12:21] <popey> bigcalm: booked!
[12:21] <bigcalm> popey: yippie :)
[12:22] <bigcalm> popey: I'm still hunting for a hotel. Searching on Google maps is pants. Any recommendations for places in Farnham?
[12:22] <popey> You're welcome to kip here if you don't mind a sofa bed
[12:24] <bigcalm> popey: that's very kind of you, thanks. Might take up the offer if I struggle with hotels (thinking of driving down Friday evening and back Sunday afternoon).
[12:41] <kvarley> bigcalm: If a framework is MIT licensed, do I have to put an explicit message in the footer of my website or is the license in the code enough?
[12:42] <bigcalm> kvarley: I've never looked into the MIT licence
[12:42] <bigcalm> Websites tend not to specify the framework they are built upon
[12:46] <directhex> kvarley, license in code is enough
[12:46] <kvarley> directhex: Thanks :)
[13:15] <lorenzohdT> hi
[14:56] <bigcalm> Blue Shift and Opposing Forces are out on linux steam. Happy days :)
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> they are?
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> they are!
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> HL2: Death Match as well
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> *hope HL2 itself will be out soon*
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> aww
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> hl2 has the same problem as tf2
[15:18] <popey> 16:17:39 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You have too many channels registered.
[15:18] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[15:20] <RadiumCat> lol cute :)
[15:24] <LjL> niven.freenode.net * You have too many channels joined
[15:30] <dogmatic69> is it possible to have a script on server A and run that on server B from server A?
[15:30] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: ssh user@servera ./myscript
[15:31] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: thanks
[15:31] <Azelphur> :)
[15:36] <shauno> it needs to go the other way around if the script you want to run isn't on the machine you want to run it on.  ssh user@host bash <script.sh will run a local script on the remote machine
[15:40] <amayer> popey: are you the one that has a camera set up that takes pics every 5 min or so and uploads them to a website? (im working on a project that needs to do just that)
[15:40] <popey> amayer: i have done that
[15:41] <amayer> my boss wants me to buy 3 cameras to do just that and im wondering if you ran into any problems that i should look out for
[15:42] <amayer> (im probably going to have to go with a windows system tho. my boss says since we paid for all the MS licenses that we should use them)
[15:43] <popey> cant really help on windows
[15:45] <amayer> ok well thanks anyway
[15:53] <bigcalm> Is there an easy way to grep irclogs for this channel?
[15:53] <BigRedS> curl + wget?
[15:53] <BigRedS> er
[15:53] <BigRedS> curl + grep
[15:54] <bigcalm> That's a lot of log files to fetch
[15:55]  * bigcalm pokes google some more
[15:56] <popey> anything in particular you're looking for?
[15:56] <popey> might be faster for someone with local logging to grep
[15:56] <bigcalm> I remember having a conversation with somebody about managing a 48bit integer in PHP
[15:57] <bigcalm> I came up with one way, they came up with another using 'bitwise' I _think_
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> BUT VHY!?!
[15:57] <bigcalm> Why what?
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> 48-bit ints
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> what's wrong with 64 bits ;)
[16:00] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm dealing with a 3rd party's API which expects a 48 bit integer, split into 16bit and 32bit integers
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[16:02] <bigcalm> Anybody with local logging able to help? :)
[16:06] <popey> nothing here
[16:06] <bigcalm> It might have been 21st Jan
[16:06] <popey> looked for your nick, 48 and bit
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> Local logging?
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> ah IRC logging
[16:06]  * MartijnVdS wondered about the forest
[16:07] <bigcalm> That date it from looking at git commits for when I added the function
[16:07]  * popey prints out his irc logs to kill the forest
[16:07] <bigcalm> :D
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> In case you have an Arduino lying around: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dyuT8N08zM
[16:44] <bigcalm> This is fun. Just added a debug statement to the 3rd party code to see what the end result was of the data I sent it. I sent a value of 75, it reports it as 28896. Something's up
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> up a lot 8-)
[17:10] <ali1234> bigcalm it wasn't in this channel
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> can someone tell the jet stream to obey the
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> ubuntu code of conduct
[17:37] <brobostigon> lol
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> ...as in friendly to all....
[17:37] <SuperEngineer> ... coz right now I'm ducking dreezing!
[17:38] <brobostigon> interesting avoidnce of colourful language.
[17:38] <brobostigon> avoidance*
[17:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> clucking bell brobostigon!
[17:38] <brobostigon> lol, :)
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> ☺
[17:42] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: are you joining us this year? http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/
[17:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm - didn't know it was arranged already. Will check diary and book later. I have to get on a expand a customer's VM by 100GB right now.
[17:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/a/and
[17:45] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: organising my stag do turned into organising the ubuntu-uk outing
[17:50]  * AlanBell booked a ticket \o/
[17:51] <brobostigon> RAT
[17:51] <bigcalm> Yay :)
[17:51] <bigcalm> Why doesn't my photo appear next to my comments I wonder
[17:52] <bigcalm> ?
[17:54] <AlanBell> gravatar?
[17:54] <AlanBell> no, it is your launchpad photo
[17:54] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~iain-cuthbertson
[17:54] <popey> pulls from there
[17:55] <AlanBell> http://techlaze.com/2012/03/richard-stallman-to-launch-his-own-fashion-line/
[17:56] <ali1234> this stuff gets worse
[17:57] <bigcalm> popey: To which I have added a mug shot
[17:57] <Sionbuntu> Can anybody tell me how I can fix a new screen resolution which prevents me from seeing anything on my display?
[18:00] <bigcalm> popey: Ah, is the image my 'logo' from the branding page instead?
[18:02] <AlanBell> Sionbuntu: if you boot up into a recovery kernel one of the options is to go to a safe graphics mode
[18:02] <AlanBell> Sionbuntu: hold down shift as you boot up to get the grub menu to display
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - Facebook pone due out soon ....  nah!
[18:10] <SuperEngineer> *phone
[18:12] <zleap> hi
[18:12] <zleap> tombrough,you need to register to enter #raspberrypi
[18:16] <zleap> tom type /msg nickserv help register
[18:21] <SuperEngineer> So... did you all work the answer to my April Fool posting?
[18:22] <Myrtti> no one has yet finished the freenode April's Fool totally
[18:43]  * SuperEngineer shuts down for tonight - see you later folks
[19:41] <mungbean> found myself tidying shelves in hobbycraft today...i don't even work there :S
[19:44] <daftykins> mungbean: :D
[19:45] <daftykins> what's a 'hobbycraft' ? chain of the name suggests, selling models etc?
[19:45] <daftykins> when i clothes shop (very rare) i fold the clothes back up again so i often get asked if i work there :( heh
[19:45] <zleap> shops there is one in newton abbot i think
[19:46] <mungbean> hobbycraft is an awesome shop because it sells stuff to ladies (wool, knitting, craft stuff), and there's a mens models section
[19:46] <mungbean> so you can peruse at your leisure
[19:46] <mungbean> today i spent £2.15 on some tamiya tape and felt guilty. then my wife came downstairs with £30 worth of wool and other gubbins
[19:47] <mungbean> a lot of the model kits were in the wrong sections so i did some tidying
[19:49] <daftykins> =]
[19:50] <daftykins> then you quickly added items so you were spending £30 too?
[19:51] <mungbean> no i dont like spending ££ on myself
[19:52] <daftykins> :o
[19:53] <Myrtti> mungbean: I've taken the habit of cleaning Morrison's onion boxes from manky onions and dry skins :-D
[19:53] <Myrtti> and no I don't work at Morrisons
[19:53] <mungbean> i almolst made some recommendations to other people too
[19:54] <daftykins> i always want to tell people to run away in local computer places if i hear them getting bad advice
[19:58] <mungbean> where  a safe archive of older versions of android apk?
[19:58] <mungbean> e.g. old kindle app apk thhat i can trust
[20:16] <daftykins> mungbean: some problem with the latest?
[20:16] <mungbean> yeah on x86 android
[20:17] <daftykins> oh crikey
[20:25] <mungbean> jonathan creek new episode? thats why so quiet
[20:26] <brobostigon> for the new dr who it was quieter,
[20:36]  * popey is recording Jonathan Creek
[20:40] <czajkowski> it's very good
[20:40] <czajkowski> http://www.mickperrin.com/tours/view/193
[20:40] <czajkowski> he's in wolverhampton!
[20:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you wanted reminding of http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ :)
[20:41] <popey> czajkowski: http://www.comedy.co.uk/news/story/000001073/bbc_order_new_jonathan_creek_series/
[20:41] <czajkowski> bigcalm: look who's bought tickets :)
[20:41] <czajkowski> popey: ohhh \o/ yay
[20:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Jon has, hope you're coming too :D
[20:41] <czajkowski> yeah ticket has been purchased for me :)
[20:44] <bigcalm> Is it September yet?!
[20:44] <bigcalm> Oh, several things yet to do
[20:45] <bigcalm> Still looking for a special set of cufflinks
[20:48] <mungbean> that do what bigcalm ?
[20:48] <bigcalm> mungbean: look special
[20:49] <czajkowski> bigcalm: penguins, tardis?
[20:49] <bigcalm> czajkowski: oo, possibly. Have only been looking in high street shops so far
[20:49] <czajkowski> amazon
[20:49] <czajkowski> ebay
[20:51] <mungbean> tateosshttps://www.tateossian.com/category/1009/cufflinks/2.html
[20:53] <popey> bigcalm: http://popey.com/~alan/dalek.jpg :D
[20:54] <bigcalm> :O
[20:55] <popey> they have been sat on my desk for a year or more
[20:55] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quality-Green-Circuit-Board-Cufflinks/dp/B0045KEOXU - though an image rather than actual boards
[20:56] <popey> they're not circuits
[20:56] <popey> they're pictures of circuits
[20:56] <bigcalm> popey: note the text I wrote after the link :)
[20:57] <popey> ah ☺
[20:57] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silver-Cufflinks-Links-Master-Engineer/dp/B005SV50Y2
[20:57] <bigcalm> Imagine what I could have hanging from my cuffs
[20:59] <popey> bigcalm: 3d print some ☺
[21:01] <bigcalm> Heh, there are chameleon cufflinks (searched for linux cufflinks)
[21:02] <moreati> bigcalm: a 3D relief of the QR code for your website or public key on one cuff, small ink well on the other
[21:02] <bigcalm> Hey moreati, not seen you in here before. Nice idea about the ink well. I still don't like QR codes though
[21:04] <Myrtti> bigcalm: yeah, I bought the blue ones for dsample as valentines present and they went through the wash cycle after first use, and the picture faded a bit under the resin
[21:06] <moreati> bigcalm: seen http://boingboing.net/2013/03/28/the-namikipilot-vanishing-poi.html btw?
[21:06] <bigcalm> Myrtti: more reason to avoid images or colours. Need something solid
[21:06] <Azelphur> Anyone here happen to know what the deal is with t-mobiles fair usage policy on mobile?
[21:06] <bigcalm> moreati: oh, the retractable fp? They do look tasty :)
[21:07] <Azelphur> as usual the written policy is totally vague
[21:07] <bigcalm> Azelphur: The closest I got was when I was within 80% monthly usage I got a text message (that was the week VirginMedia cable went away)
[21:08] <Azelphur> I see, any idea on GB usage?
[21:08] <Azelphur> kinda interested in the £16/mo unlimited everything plan
[21:09] <bigcalm> My plan at the time was 500MB a month. So normal usage for me never got close
[21:09] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGeMGqVKD6A#
[21:09] <popey> she totally isn't reading the cards, but off a tablet
[21:09] <moreati> Azelphur: I switched from t-mobile because (at the time) they recompressed jpegs and injected javascript to accelerate page loads
[21:10] <Azelphur> moreati: fun
[21:11] <moreati> Azelphur: they may still do so, I haven't checked in > 12 months
[21:11] <Azelphur> I notice they say excluding tethering too, wonder if they do any detection
[21:11] <Azelphur> I know three does, which has been driving me mad.
[21:13] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I've never had a problem with tethering
[21:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> RAT ticket booked bigcalm
[21:13] <Azelphur> fun
[21:14] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: \o/
[21:15] <popey> yay TheOpenSourcerer ☺
[21:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Lookingforward to the Beerex next!
[21:16] <popey> ☺
[21:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Now am off to bedski with a scotch and a good book (Currently reading Bring up the Bodies)
[21:26]  * bigcalm plays a little more of Blue Shift while unit tests run
[21:27] <directhex> shoot the alien!
[21:56] <bigcalm> directhex: I've been doing a lot of that
[22:00] <bigcalm> Wee, back in Xen
[22:00] <daftykins> :o
[22:00] <daftykins> i'm amazed that my new TV even makes xbox games look better
[22:20] <directhex> well if you're gonna replace an old 21" 4:3 tube with a 106" oled, it's *gonna* look better
[22:25] <daftykins> directhex: heh, nah 40" 1366x768 CCFL backed 2005/6 Sony vs. 55" LED backed samsung 6800 series
[22:25] <daftykins> \o/
[22:43] <penguin42> hmph, not good when wifi bounces during video recording - anyone know how to rescue swf?
[22:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: T-mobile's stuff is very vague - I'm on the £20/6 months unlimited plan
[22:44] <Azelphur> penguin42: fun
[22:54] <daftykins> Azelphur: when you were desk hunting, did you find anything ~1500x800 on the surface for cheaper than £100?
[22:54] <Azelphur> hmm
[22:55] <daftykins> i've not tried any local places yet
[22:55] <daftykins> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trexus-Classic-Panelled-Rectangular-W1600xD800xH725mm/dp/B004LWPZDK/ref=sr_1_4?s=officeproduct&ie=UTF8&qid=1364856866&sr=1-4
[22:55] <daftykins> but that seems to be around the best sort of thing from amazon
[22:55] <Azelphur> did you want a corner or just a square?
[22:55] <daftykins> just your standard rectangle job for a middle really
[22:59] <Azelphur> daftykins: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/S09806763/ this with the extension probably
[23:00] <daftykins> crikey furniture @ pricey
[23:00] <daftykins> :D
[23:00] <daftykins> Azelphur: ty sir!
[23:00] <Azelphur> yw
[23:01] <directhex> GALANT gets expensive fast
[23:01] <daftykins> ?
[23:01] <Azelphur> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/S89821547/ that's the extension I think
[23:01] <directhex> it's a modular system. so sure, a plank and the cheapest legs, as linked by Azelphur, are <£100
[23:02] <directhex> but once you add on things like extensions, corner pieces, computer shelves, cable trays...
[23:02] <Azelphur> that gets you 1800x800 for £150
[23:02] <Azelphur> or 1200x800 for £90
[23:02] <daftykins> oic
[23:02] <daftykins> checking down my local recycling might be easiest ;D
[23:02] <directhex> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/categories/departments/workspaces/18960/
[23:02] <daftykins> then local office places perhaps, apparently they're disappearing though
[23:03] <directhex> we DIY'd a GALANT design for our main room
[23:05] <daftykins> interesting
[23:05] <daftykins> my current desk came from a business' bankruptcy sale :D
[23:06] <daftykins> £25 for 1600x800
[23:06] <daftykins> \o/
[23:06] <daftykins> the surface is even amazing for optical meece!
[23:07] <daftykins> alright i gotta sleep
[23:07] <daftykins> nn all \o
[23:08] <penguin42> B&Q do a sheet of white contiplas 2440x1220 for £29


[18:11] <Kiicki> I honestly can't figure out how to change the audio output on Lubuntu. In Ubuntu it was easy. My PC has actually speakers but I want the audio to output to the TV which is connect with a HDMI
[18:11] <glenn> the mint version based on ubuntu
[18:11] <BarnabasDK> glenn so ask the mint ppl?
[18:11] <Kiicki> wait, they have their own channel
[18:11] <ducasse> !mint | glenn
[18:11] <skunk> nacc: Based on what I've read so far, seems like I might need to do this; systemctl restart systemd-logind.service
[18:12] <glenn> i used also windows 10 and lighting in tb 58 on windows is diferent that hte version on linux
[18:12] <BarnabasDK> glenn no help with mint here
[18:12] <glenn> no it hase noting to do with mint ore ubutu
[18:12] <acheron-b> mint has lots of sound problems, that why i quit using it and back on Ubuntu
[18:12] <nacc> glenn: then why are you asking in the ubuntu support channel?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> Kiicki, make sure your spdif is enabled and pcm vol ctl is turned up and automute is disabled in alsamixer
[18:13] <pavlos> skunk, reverseDNS may be the issue with slow ssh response
[18:13] <nacc> glenn: also what is 'tb 58'?
[18:13] <glenn> mint say ask here because mint is based on ubuntu
[18:13] <nacc> !mint | glenn
[18:13] <BarnabasDK> glenn then the mint guys are passing the buc
[18:14] <BarnabasDK> k
[18:14] <Dreaman> !debian
[18:14] <skunk> Think I'm just going to wait until after hours and force reboot. Worst case scenario I've got all weekend to reinstall the OS and apply the backups.
[18:14] <glenn> is not a bug of mint ore ubuntu is mozilla thunderbird with ligthing callendar
[18:15] <ducasse> glenn: then it has nothing to do with us
[18:15] <BarnabasDK> glenn mozilla tunderbird and lightening have their own support
[18:15] <BarnabasDK> www.mozilla.org
[18:15] <glenn> but they never help
[18:15]  * BarnabasDK sigh
[18:16] <BarnabasDK> well I am out of Mozilla magic pixie dust to aleviate your issue
[18:16] <glenn> BarnabasDK: what ?
[18:17] <BarnabasDK> glenn exactly
[18:17] <glenn> BarnabasDK: what
[18:18] <BarnabasDK> glenn try #mozilla
[18:18] <tatertots> glenn: mozilla and or thunderbird has their own forums and irc chat rooms, it may behoove you to pursue assistance in one or both of those places
[18:19] <glenn> tatertots: on thunderbird the are not helping en not only now but for meany years
[18:20] <Lorne> hey guys... probably a dumb q... but I'm adding media folders to my Plex...and for some reason when I "browse to folder" - it can only see my root external drive...not any of the folders within it.  Do I need to change the CHMOD stuff? thingys?
[18:20] <BarnabasDK> glenn you will get no help here period
[18:20] <ducasse> glenn: that does not make it our responsibility.
[18:21] <BarnabasDK> glenn try #mozilla on undernet where you are
[18:21] <j4f-shredder> when I try to add a php ppa I get gpg: keybox '/tmp/tmptwlsc64r/pubring.gpg' created;gpg: keyserver receive failed: No keyserver available  any ideas
[18:21] <j4f-shredder> on how to solve this?
[18:22] <j4f-shredder>  sudo -E add-apt-repository ppa:ondrej/php  I'm running that
[18:22] <j4f-shredder> cause I'm behind a proxy
[18:22] <kirillow> after clicking install ubuntu
[18:22] <kirillow> how to check whether my screen just turned black
[18:22] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder so the proxy is blocking you?
[18:22] <kirillow> or computer really crashed
[18:24] <j4f-shredder> BarnabasDK: I can navigate on chrome
[18:24] <j4f-shredder> I configured the apt.conf with the proxy
[18:24] <j4f-shredder> and the enviroment variables
[18:24] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder anonymous or does it perhaps require auth?
[18:24] <j4f-shredder> it requires auth
[18:25] <j4f-shredder> I have the credentials
[18:25] <j4f-shredder> I've set the enviroment variables with user:pass@server:port
[18:25] <genii> kirillow: A fast simple way to tell is if all 3 keyboard lights are blinking on and off, you have a core dump/kernel panic. Also try going to a different console than 7 with ctrl-alt-F1 through F6. If you can do that, it's not crashed. You can return to the default one with alt-F7
[18:28] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder if it is an eviil ms proxy I have had success with cntlm
[18:28] <j4f-shredder> BarnabasDK: I'm a noob
[18:29] <j4f-shredder> it's an ubuntu proxy server
[18:29] <j4f-shredder> I think that tool is for microsoft based server
[18:29] <BarnabasDK> it is
[18:29] <BarnabasDK> ntlm based auth
[18:29] <j4f-shredder> I just need to add this ppa
[18:29] <j4f-shredder> and install php5.6
[18:30] <j4f-shredder> what should I do?
[18:30] <j4f-shredder> or even if I don't add this ppa, is it possible to install it without it?
[18:30] <BarnabasDK> well can you access the web from other tools via the proxy?
[18:30] <BarnabasDK> like .. right here
[18:30] <j4f-shredder> I can access apt-get install and also the chrome
[18:30] <j4f-shredder> but this operation fails
[18:31] <BarnabasDK> so maybe your administrator actively blocked the traffic you need to pass?
[18:31] <BarnabasDK> I assume a corporate network
[18:34] <j4f-shredder> BarnabasDK: No, I don't think so
[18:34] <j4f-shredder> I just configured atom text editor proxy and it works
[18:35] <j4f-shredder> I don't know where this ppa's take the proxy config from
[18:35] <sobersabre> OerHeks: remember me? with ethernet not working ?
[18:35] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder there may be more to it than that I am afraid ..
[18:36] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder maybe ask your local admin?
[18:36] <sobersabre> I managed to set it up. it appears for some reason upgrade removes 'managed' bit in the entries for ethernet.
[18:36] <sobersabre> I am unclear why
[18:36] <j4f-shredder> BarnabasDK: thanks anyway, I thing this gpg has to do with another thing rather than proxy settings
[18:36] <j4f-shredder> No keyserver available
[18:37] <ducasse> j4f-shredder: it's possible gpg is trying to use hkp rather than http
[18:37] <j4f-shredder> how do I check that?
[18:38] <BarnabasDK> j4f-shredder if your proxy allows http(s) only then that is the point
[18:38] <ducasse> j4f-shredder: not sure how to check what it uses now, i only know you can change it in your gpg config
[18:39] <BarnabasDK> ducasse +1
[18:39] <j4f-shredder> how do I change it
[18:40] <k1l_> proxies are known to break apt. you can try to set apt to use the proxy with the login credentials
[18:41] <ducasse> j4f-shredder: see the docs for gpg.conf, or the example config. it has a section on how to set proxy for keyservers.
[18:47] <compdoc>  Firefox Goes PulseAudio Only, Leaves ALSA Users With No Sound
[18:48] <BarnabasDK> compdoc so its a firefox issue?
[18:48] <BarnabasDK> or - other apps work with sound ok
[18:50] <Bill1973> I am getting no where on this ssh problem. I guess I'll remove the router port for it and readd it  bbl8r
[18:50] <Kiicki> Alsa mixer for Lubuntu seems broken. "F6" and "S" doesn't work. Can't change sound card no matter what I do.
[18:52] <Dreaman> Kiicki  pc or laptop change cable input autput
[18:53] <Kiicki> It's a PC. My PC has built in speaker and the audio comes from it. My TV is also hooked up to my PC via HDMI but no sound
[18:53] <Kiicki> nor can I change to the TV
[18:53] <Kiicki> In Ubuntu I could easily change it
[18:55] <giang> what is the best ide for c programing ?
[18:55] <BarnabasDK> Kiicki whats the problem then?
[18:55] <giang> for particular, im trying to modify this https://github.com/fontforge/fontforge
[18:56] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[18:56] <tatertots> Kiicki: when it's done...say so
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> giang what about the atom editor with gcc tools
[18:56] <Kiicki> Problem is that I don't want sound from the built in PC but from the TV and I don't run Ubuntu but Lubuntu
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> its free
[18:57] <ducasse> Kiicki: have you tried setting the output in pavucontrol?
[18:57] <ducasse> giang: 'best' is totally subjective, ask 100 people, you get 100 different answers
[18:58] <BarnabasDK> giang I have to agree with ducasse but give the atom ide a try
[18:58] <ducasse> !ide | giang
[18:59] <b3h3m0th> ufw is not blocking my incoming connections
[18:59] <mchelen2> atom should probably be on that list, its floss
[19:00] <BluesKaj> ducasse, don't think he knows what pavucontrol or alsamixer
[19:00] <BluesKaj> is
[19:00] <BarnabasDK> b3h3m0th try gufw a gui for your fw
[19:00] <giang> i will try vim, im good with vim
[19:01] <Bashing-om> Kiicki: Mozilla broke it in FF52; See https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2355092 for discussion .
[19:02] <b3h3m0th> $ sudo ufw status|grep 5555 5555/tcp                   DENY        Anywhere 5555/tcp (v6)              DENY        Anywhere (v6)
[19:02] <b3h3m0th> This should block all TCP traffic on 5555 right?
[19:02] <b3h3m0th> BarnabasDK:
[19:02] <b3h3m0th> > nc -vz <IP_ADDRESS> 5555                                             00:32:36 Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> 5555 port [tcp/*] succeeded!
[19:02] <BarnabasDK> b3h3m0th if your fw is enabled / running
[19:03] <Kiicki> Bashing-om hmm, I guess I will just with Ubuntu so I don't need to go through the hassle
[19:03] <Kiicki> go with*
[19:03] <b3h3m0th> if it shows up in status it means it is running right?
[19:03] <BarnabasDK> b3h3m0th sudo service foobar status?
[19:03] <Bashing-om> Kiicki: Yeah, many have opted for that as a solution .
[19:04] <b3h3m0th> BarnabasDK: I mean if ufw status is showing this output, it's obiviously running and enabled
[19:04] <b3h3m0th> why is it not dropping the packets?
[19:04] <tatertots> Kiicki: use what works for you...once you find something that works...keep still
[19:04] <giang> can i  install cannon lbp 3100 in ubuntu ?
[19:04] <Bashing-om> Kiicki: However, if ya want to remain with (l)ubuntu- release 16.10 has changed to pavucontrol .
[19:05] <b3h3m0th> $ sudo iptables-save|grep 5555|grep ufw -A ufw-user-input -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5555 -j DROP
[19:05] <b3h3m0th> what's wrong :/
[19:05] <BarnabasDK> b3h3m0th as I remember it ufw matches the first rule so allow what you want then block all
[19:05] <giang> btw, when you send a message to me, its bold, how can you do that?
[19:05] <ducasse> b3h3m0th: what you pasted above is for ipv6, while you are connecting via v4
[19:05] <b3h3m0th> ducasse: which paste?
[19:06] <ducasse> b3h3m0th: the ufw status line
[19:06] <BarnabasDK> ducasse +1
[19:06] <BarnabasDK> both protols - did not spot that
[19:07] <b3h3m0th> ducasse: I don't think so
[19:07] <BarnabasDK> your isp must allow pass through ipv6
[19:07] <b3h3m0th> It's v4 and v6
[19:07] <BarnabasDK> congratulations
[19:07] <b3h3m0th> repastig in quites: "5555/tcp                   DENY        Anywhere 5555/tcp (v6)              DENY        Anywhere (v6)"
[19:07] <b3h3m0th> tcp => v4
[19:07] <b3h3m0th> tcp (v6) => ipv6
[19:07] <BarnabasDK> thats then tcp
[19:07] <BarnabasDK> udp?
[19:08] <BarnabasDK> just an idea
[19:08] <b3h3m0th> nope. nc without the -u flag goes for tcp
[19:08] <ducasse> b3h3m0th: ah, just a messy paste, then.
[19:08] <b3h3m0th> ducasse: yup ^_^
[19:08] <b3h3m0th> besides, that service on 5555 is hosted by me, it's a tcp service on socat
[19:09] <Kiicki> tatertots I forgot to respond to you. Yes, I have installed it and rebooten the computer
[19:09] <dbclk> hey guys..getting this error "GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192" ..when I run -> sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe'
[19:09] <dbclk> any ideas?
[19:10] <b3h3m0th> what's weird is even IPtables have reflected the rule, but still not dropping !!!!! $ sudo iptables-save|grep 5555|grep ufw -A ufw-user-input -p tcp -m tcp --dport 5555 -j DROP
[19:12] <tatertots> Kiicki: use what works for you...once you find something that works...keep still..i think the keeping still is your personal challenge..since you say ubuntu works...you simply need to use it and park yourself there and resist moving
[19:13] <BarnabasDK> tatertots ha ha
[19:13] <Kiicki> I was just saying that Ubuntu worked for the sound. I still think Ubuntu is too much for this old computer which is why I went with Lubuntu
[19:13] <Kiicki> but with Lubuntu, sound doesn't work from TV
[19:13] <Kiicki> won't let me change sound card
[19:13] <BarnabasDK> Kiicki sound should break no computer
[19:14] <BarnabasDK> unless your hw is not only ancient but probably worth something to the tecnical museum
[19:15] <Kiicki> Probably that too but I thought this old HW would still be better than a Raspberry Pi for Kodi and media server
[19:15] <Kiicki> It was a cheap solution for that
[19:15] <BluesKaj> not too ancient if he has hdmi output
[19:15] <BarnabasDK> BluesKaj thats the point
[19:16] <BarnabasDK> BluesKaj same card I hope
[19:17] <Kiicki> PC has a sound card, TV has a sound card. Two different cards
[19:17] <Kiicki> can't switch between them
[19:17] <BarnabasDK> why would you be able to?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> the spdif option in alsamixer needs to be enabled for the digital audio to output to hdmi
[19:17] <Kiicki> Why wouldn't I? I can in Ubuntu and in 99% other OS
[19:18] <Kiicki> It shouldn't be a complicated process to change sound card
[19:18] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    inxi -Fxxrzc0|pastebinit
[19:18] <BarnabasDK> so you are swtiching in some other device
[19:18] <BarnabasDK> based on input?
[19:18] <tatertots> Kiicki: share url/link here
[19:18] <BarnabasDK> a dac?
[19:18] <strangerr> Hello. I'm trying to copy a large directory (200 GB) from one USB HDD to another USB HDD. Typical file size within this directory is 5-10 MB. Maybe it's something with the drive, but it takes loooots of time (6+ hours). Is there a way to speed this up? Maybe it would be faster to make it a single file on the fly (tar?) and write it to the destination USB HDD?
[19:18] <strangerr> If so, how could that be done without creating temporary archive file, as my system is on SSD, which doesn't have enough space in the first place and even if it had, I don't want to wear it with these transfers
[19:18] <Kiicki> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24196969/
[19:20] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    aplay -l|pastebinit
[19:20] <tatertots> Kiicki: share url/link here
[19:20] <Kiicki> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24196979/
[19:20] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    aplay -L|pastebinit
[19:20] <tatertots> Kiicki: share url/link here
[19:21] <Kiicki> That's the one. card 1 I need
[19:21] <tatertots> Kiicki: you might think it's the same, it's not..just do it
[19:21] <Kiicki> http://paste.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <Kiicki> wait, what happened
[19:22] <Kiicki> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24196981/
[19:23] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    pacmd list-sinks|pastebinit
[19:23] <BluesKaj> Kiicki, your tvsound input doesn't register as a soundcard and it's not supposed to
[19:23] <tatertots> Kiicki: share url/link here
[19:23] <hesiodos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24196986/
[19:24] <Kiicki> hmm, it says it's not installed bt there's a command for it. hold on
[19:24] <andel> hi
[19:25] <akiva_>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lasound -- trying to make an application.
[19:26] <daumie> Any suggestions on guide to installing i3-gaps on Ubuntu 14.04 ...
[19:27] <tatertots> Kiicki: ah i see...it wasn't installed...you don't say...
[19:27] <ppf> akiva_: that's not really an ubuntu issue, is it
[19:27] <Kiicki> No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon.
[19:27] <Kiicki> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Kiicki, sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel , that should load the driver ...if successful there's no output from the command
[19:27] <Kiicki> should I reboot after installing it? since it's still not working
[19:27] <tatertots> Kiicki: rebooting couldn't hurt...do it
[19:28] <akiva_> ppf, Yeah, i'm trying to compile on ubuntu. Kiicki ah, so I need to stop of the PulseAudio Daemon?
[19:28] <BluesKaj> should load ther driver first
[19:28] <BarnabasDK> Kiicki een if it hurts us you have to
[19:28] <Kiicki> Have to what?
[19:28] <BarnabasDK> reboot
[19:28] <tatertots> Kiicki: reboot
[19:28] <BarnabasDK> this is linux after all
[19:28] <BluesKaj> no point , too many cooks
[19:29] <Kiicki> well I did it the first time when he said I should install it. I did but it said that it was not installed
[19:30] <tatertots> Kiicki: are you not able to complete the objective....i'll post it again in case you forgot what the objective was
[19:30] <tatertots> Kiicki: in terminal>    pacmd list-sinks|pastebinit
[19:30] <tatertots> Kiicki: share url/link here
[19:30] <BarnabasDK> Kiicki don't know if this has been asked before but an lsusb and an lspci will state your devs
[19:30] <Kiicki> Still not working tatertots.  Ubuntu I guess
[19:30] <BluesKaj> BarnabasDK, thye're past that
[19:30] <Kiicki> Thanks anyway!
[19:31] <Kiicki> I appreciate your time
[19:31] <tatertots> BluesKaj: we got Kiicki's details, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24196969/
[19:31] <Kiicki> Sell it
[19:31] <BluesKaj> tatertots, i saw them
[19:31] <BarnabasDK> aww a no help, thats a bummer
[19:31] <tatertots> BluesKaj: sorry meant BarnabasDK
[19:31] <BarnabasDK> yeah know it
[19:31] <Delvien> tatertots: what generated that list?
[19:32] <BarnabasDK> haven't followed this so thight
[19:32] <tatertots> Delvien: pretty ain't it
[19:32] <tatertots> Delvien: that's how i roll
[19:32] <BarnabasDK> whould be iteresting to get a profile of the hw
[19:32] <Delvien> its like speccy, but not garbage
[19:32] <BluesKaj> he needs to load the snd-hda-intel driver, setup spdif in alsamixer and pavucontrol to hdmi
[19:32] <Delvien> tatertots: but srsly, what generated it?
[19:33] <pavlos> strangerr, try, tar -C SRCDIR -cf - . | tar -C DESTDIR -xf -
[19:33] <BarnabasDK> BluesKaj yeah but why is that not apparent in the os gui
[19:33] <tatertots> Delvien: it's says right on the last line, last word on the last line specifically
[19:33] <BluesKaj> tatertots, because linux audio is such a dog's brekfast
[19:35] <tatertots> Kiicki: still not working?....that's odd..it works on mine...granted i use ubuntu
[19:36] <Kiicki> Yeah, you can switch easily from the OS on Ubuntu. that's not a problem. but from Lubuntu, no go
[19:36] <tatertots> Kiicki: would be interesting to know if there were any other Lubuntu users in here and have them try it and report results
[19:36] <Delvien> tatertots: was it really so hard to say inxi -ABCFG and whatever else I missed? Why are you being cryptic
[19:38] <ducasse> Kiicki: as i asked 40 minutes ago, have you tried pavucontrol?
[19:38] <Kiicki> No I haven't. I could try it
[19:40] <BluesKaj> Kiicki, you should
[19:44] <tatertots> Kiicki: any progress or results after using pavucontrol???
[19:45] <Kiicki> It's stuck on "Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait...
[19:45] <tatertots> Kiicki: yeah pulse audio's status seems to be questionable in your environment
[19:46] <tatertots> Kiicki: the command i asked you to run earlier is pulse audio related and it didn't seem very happy either
[19:46] <Kiicki> wait, I think it works. I right clicked on audio and it's the same thing as in Ubuntu. I will just restart the computer
[19:46] <Kiicki> like I went to preferences or something
[19:47] <Kiicki> that thing still says please wait but I think I will just restart
[19:47] <tatertots> Kiicki: do what you gotta do
[19:49] <Kiicki> There we go. Working!  Running 16.04 on qnap VM. video playback not great either. Any tips anyone?
[20:28] <MemorableDeath> Hello
[20:28] <MemorableDeath> Anybody There
[20:29] <united20> yes.
[20:30] <MemorableDeath> do you play cs
[20:34] <caustic_grip> o/
[20:38] <jonasgilje> Ubuntu 16.10. Wyse Z00D thin client ca. 2012. 4 gib ram installed (recognized in both "lshw" and memtest86+), but only 1637 mb available/usable. Does anyone know what might be wrong?
[20:39] <jonasgilje> Just to be clear I am in no way blaming it on ubuntu or say it has anything to do with it. :)
[20:39] <MonkeyDust> jonasgilje  there's some 'what's eating my ram' site, can't find the exact address right now
[20:40] <genii> jonasgilje: I'm not sure the Wyse Geode chipset in those things can see more than 2G
[20:40] <ZeEKz> wifi disconnecting automatically...any solution?
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> jonasgilje  is this useful http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[20:43] <jonasgilje> @genii Yeah that might be it. I thought the z00d went up to 4gb. I'll test some of the other client and see if they've got the same problem
[20:44] <jonasgilje> MonkeyDust  free -m only gives 1637 but useful nonetheless
[20:46] <ioria> jonasgilje, grep MemTotal  /proc/meminfo
[20:48] <jonasgilje> ioria Currently reinstalling, I'll try it once I've finished. IIRC it gave me 4 gb on the previous install.
[20:48] <ioria> jonasgilje, ok
[20:49] <genii> jonasgilje: What model Wyse?
[20:50] <jonasgilje> Z 00 D
[20:50] <genii> Oh, nvm, z00d
[20:56] <genii> jonasgilje: Yeah, looks like they can go 4G. So maybe you have a non PAE kernel, or mismatched RAM sticks and it's only seeing one. Less likely, Wyse may have made it so you need different firmware if you bought a model with 2G then upgraded it yourself to 4G
[20:59] <Lums26> Hey
[20:59] <jonasgilje> genii I had 2 identical machines with 2G so I combined them to make a 4G one. It's 32-bit, does that matter at all? How do I know if I have a PAE or not? Thanks.
[21:00] <mantise> i have a lot of rar files i wish to unpack. from r00 to r46. how do i unpack them ? when i extract the file, it sats truncated rar file data ??
[21:01] <jonasgilje> ioria "cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i memtotal" gives 1640404 kb :/
[21:01] <tatertots> jonasgilje: in terminal>    sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[21:01] <ioria> jonasgilje,  grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
[21:01] <tatertots> jonasgilje: when its done...say so
[21:02] <ioria> jonasgilje,  1640404 ???
[21:03] <jonasgilje> ioria "pae" comes up among all the other three-letter abbreviations
[21:03] <ioria> jonasgilje,  bad module ?
[21:03] <jonasgilje> ioria between msr and mce to be exact
[21:03] <jonasgilje> ioria Might very well be
[21:03] <jonasgilje> ioria I'll test another one thanks.
[21:03] <ioria> jonasgilje,  i see, you'r welcm
[21:04] <mantise> so i need sudo apt-get install unrar ?
[21:04] <jonasgilje> tatertots It's done, but I think I might try another stick
[21:04] <tatertots> jonasgilje: do what you gotta do
[21:05] <tatertots> jonasgilje: take care
[21:05] <daumie> I'm having trouble setting up my laptop ssh-server so that i can connect to it from my phone.
[21:06] <w9qbj> daumie: What are your problems
[21:07] <daumie> The password I'm using has been rejected multiple times.
[21:07] <w9qbj> daumie: a couple of ideas, check capitolization, and username.
[21:08] <PipeItToDevNull> daumie, When you connect are you specifying a username?
[21:08] <w9qbj> daumie: what phone/app
[21:08] <Bill1973> In a similiar boat with ssh from my phone to box running 16.04
[21:09] <PipeItToDevNull> Bill1973, What is the issue
[21:10] <Bill1973> Pretty much exactly the same. Same box ran 14lts, dist-upgrade to 15lts and now dist-upgrade to 16lts and i have lost the abikity to ssh in from internet
[21:11] <daumie> w9qbj:  juice ssh android
[21:11] <Bill1973> Ssh still works locally. Same user/pass
[21:11] <nacc> Bill1973: there is no 15lts and you aren't recommended to 'dist-upgrade' between releases
[21:11] <PipeItToDevNull> Bill1973, Is the port open, do you have a firewll up? What is the output when you add -vvv ?
[21:11] <daumie> I've specified the username and password w9qbj
[21:11] <w9qbj> I'm using iPhone with SSHTerminal, np problems. a username and password are specified for each site. don't know  about 'droids
[21:12] <daumie> Pipeline yes.... The app does that automatically for me
[21:12] <PipeItToDevNull> daumie, If you ssh from a PC and add -vvv what happens?
[21:12] <Bill1973> It was ubuntu 15.10
[21:12] <Bill1973>  -vvv to what?
[21:13] <daumie> Haven't tried that... Lemme borrow one.. Will get back to you shortly  PipeItToDevNull
[21:13] <PipeItToDevNull> Bill1973, That means ultra verbose, it will tell you whats up, add it onto the SSH command
[21:13] <w9qbj> daumie: could even ssh -vvv (user)@localhost
[21:13] <nacc> Bill1973: even less good to dist-upgrade then, you can't go from 14.04 -> 15.10
[21:14] <countingdaisies> Hey all - I got my new msata ssd in the mail today and installed it. Now I have 250Gb ssd  and a 750Gb platter drive (with windows install). I'm ready to install ubuntu 16.04 from usb any time now but what are some possible ways to divide up the data between the drives (what drive does what?)
[21:14] <Bill1973> My laptop died so I'm stuck on my tablet using juice
[21:14] <countingdaisies> I know I probably want to store media files (images and movies, music) on the platter drive. How do I do that when I'm in the installer??
[21:15] <kuahara> can the most current version of ubuntu run any sort of memory diagnostics without first downloading some package from the internet?
[21:15] <Bill1973> nacc i did and it ran great.  This one runs great except for this ssh issue.  I have even disabled ufw though port 22 was open according to ufw status
[21:15] <daumie> w9qbj: password still ain't working for localhost !!!
[21:16] <daumie> PipeItToDevNull: ^^
[21:16] <Bill1973> LAN ssh is fine, same router as before dist-upgrade when i could ssh in from WAN
[21:16] <Bashing-om> kuahara: EFI system, then no . Got to go get the tools then .
[21:16] <PipeItToDevNull> daumie, -vvv and pastebin the output
[21:16] <PipeItToDevNull> Remove sensitive info daumie
[21:17] <Bill1973> Same user/pass still allows me to login via ssh over LAN.
[21:18] <w9qbj> sounds like you have a username or password conflict. seems like sshd is working or it wouldn't complain about the pw
[21:18] <ppf> kuahara: no
[21:18] <stewrad> anyone have experience installing ubuntu 16.04 to an external hard drive?
[21:19] <tatertots> stewrad: and if someone did....then what?
[21:21] <tatertots> Bill1973: if you can ssh within LAN...it's not a ubuntu issue
[21:21] <countingdaisies> If I have an ssd and a platter drive and I want to install ubuntu  -- is it enough to simply put the /home on the platter drive and the rest of the install on the ssd?
[21:21] <genii> jonasgilje: Apologies, my work required me for a while. But fortunately I see that you're getting assistance
[21:21] <stewrad> i'm trying to install ubuntu onto an external ssd and i'd like some guidance from someone with experience
[21:22] <kuahara> what version of ubuntu had memtest built in?
[21:22] <Bill1973> I just got in!
[21:22] <cfhowlett> kuahara, all
[21:22] <kuahara> cfhowlett we just established that the latest version does not
[21:22] <w9qbj> countingdaisies: yes, you can put the home volume whereever  you want and mount it to /home
[21:22] <Bill1973> Idk what i changed, rebooted router but no changes
[21:23] <countingdaisies> w9qbj: How can I find out what other people are doing who have had the similar experience?
[21:23] <countingdaisies> who have done it beofre and what do they do?
[21:23] <nacc> countingdaisies: not asking here -- this is the support channel -- maybe try #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:23] <nacc> countingdaisies: or googling around for examples
[21:24] <ppf> kuahara: you can boot into memtest. but that's not a tool you use within ubuntu
[21:24] <daumie_> PipeItToDevNull:  Here..http://pastebin.com/xfZUrHV6
[21:24] <kuahara> ppf apparently the ubuntu live disk for older versions of ubuntu came with an option to boot into memtest
[21:25] <kuahara> I can burn ubuntu images to disk and boot from them just fine, but the current "bootable .iso" files distributed by both passmark and memtest86 won't boot for me.
[21:25] <kuahara> no matter how I burn them
[21:25] <Bill1973> Oh well, i am in! On to the next project.
[21:26] <kuahara> downloading ubuntu 5.10 to see if that option is there
[21:26] <countingdaisies> stewrad: They might want you to go over to #ubuntu-offtopic as wll (I'd ask  bc installing ubuntu on a system with a unique hardware setup is  Obviously not a support topic - right?)
[21:26] <daumie_> PipeItToDevNull:  w9qbj  It's important to note that am using my laptop password for login
[21:26] <genii> !5.10
[21:26] <countingdaisies> There's about 140 people over there -- good luck
[21:26] <ppf> kuahara: all ubuntu versions come with memtest
[21:27] <PipeItToDevNull> daumie_, Is that the users password?
[21:27] <nacc> countingdaisies: the act of installing and it possibly failing is a support topic. how to setup your installed system is not, at least to me
[21:27] <kuahara> ppf the current version does not appear to and someone else in the channel said it has to be downloaded
[21:27] <nacc> stewrad: 'trying to' -- so it's not working?
[21:27] <algid> anyone know why .. i'm running a perl program like % perl xyz.pl &> error.txt
[21:27] <algid> and it's cutting the output short in the text file
[21:28] <ppf> kuahara: that could be because of uefi
[21:28] <nacc> algid: what do you think &> should do?
[21:28] <Bashing-om> kuahara: 16.04 " Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.elf " . But memtest is not supported for EFI systems out of the box .
[21:28] <kuahara> ppf I have uefi enabled in the bios
[21:28] <kuahara> should it be disabled?
[21:29] <kuahara> maybe I misread that.  I thought enabling that was required
[21:29] <ppf> won't help
[21:29] <countingdaisies> When was the last time someone asked how to do something before doing it or what the right technical decision was when one had to med in order TO install ubuntu on this channel???   And damitt don't tell me that I'm being treated in the same manner as everyone else cause I'm not. Those type of questions are asked and answered here day in and day out  (we are ALL looking right at what...
[21:29] <countingdaisies> ...everyoine is saying!)
[21:29] <w9qbj> daumie_:   The password you should be using is the pw on the ssh system, not necessarily the same as on the LapTop
[21:29] <countingdaisies> don't tell me I don';t have a right to participate in the ubuntu community that AI have been a part of for over 7 years
[21:29] <algid> nacc - i think it should redirect the stdrr to a file
[21:29] <daumie_> w9qbj: Haven't setup any on the ssh system
[21:30] <ppf> you can boot a live system in legacy mode though, and use its memtest
[21:30] <cfhowlett> dial down the attitude please, countingdaisies.
[21:30] <daumie_> I missed that step w9qbj
[21:30] <countingdaisies> I cfam hre to adk what the correct decision is to make the insall
[21:30] <daumie_> How do I go about it w9qbj
[21:30] <kuahara> ppf, you mean boot all the way into the os and then use a memtest application that is preinstalled?
[21:30] <nacc> algid: you should read `man bash` again, you want 2>file
[21:30] <countingdaisies> is that wrong??
[21:30] <algid> thx
[21:31] <nacc> countingdaisies: no one told you anything about your rights, you're overreacting
[21:31] <w9qbj> daumie_: on the target SSH system set up a user or have the admin do it. with a name and pw
[21:31] <tatertots> countingdaisies: dood chill...are you at least booted to livecd/liveusb and chatting from the computer right now?
[21:31] <nacc> countingdaisies: you want to know 'best' and opinion-based things. Those are not support topics
[21:32] <Bizzeh> if i have my own user account "darren" and an account a service runs as "debian-transmission", if i want both accounts to access /media/usb, what chown/chmod would i need to hit /media/usb with?
[21:32] <countingdaisies> I get a gd new ssd drive you'd think pple nwoud be friendly, nice, exicited for me. Youd think theyd want my experience installing in the new system to be smooth and woud be decent about it.   One might think
[21:32] <ppf> kuahara: no
[21:32] <nacc> countingdaisies: have you even tried installing to it?
[21:32] <daumie_> w9qbj: Oooh, I can do that...it's my laptop :)
[21:32] <ppf> boot the memtest that comes with the live disk
[21:32] <kuahara> ppf, there's no startup options to do that (that I can see anyway).
[21:32] <ppf> as i said, boot it in legacy mode
[21:33] <nacc> Bizzeh: use a group and appropriat g+ permissions
[21:33] <tatertots> countingdaisies: have you at least created the ubuntu livecd/liveusb media that you'd use for installation?...have you at least downloaded the ISO?
[21:33] <kuahara> I hit F12 to bring up a boot menu, select to boot from ODD, there's a menu where I can choose to install, or boot from live disk, etc... but no memtest option in there
[21:33] <tatertots> countingdaisies: those are some of the first steps in the process, so if you have not got that far yet...do so
[21:33] <Bizzeh> nacc: create new group, add group to both user accounts and chown /media/usb to the group?
[21:34] <nacc> Bizzeh: add both user accounts to group, but yeah :)
[21:34] <nacc> Bizzeh: note you'll need to logout/login if you're the user whose group membership you're changing
[21:34] <kuahara> The boot menu for the current release contains:   "Try ubuntu without installing", "Install ubuntu", "OEM Install (For manufacturers)", and "Check disc for defects".   If I choose the top option, it boots straight to desktop.
[21:34] <kuahara> I don't appear to have other options to interrupt it and run memtest
[21:35] <Bashing-om> kuahara: I say again . there is no support out of the box for memtest in a UEFI system. Ya got to obtain the tools elsewhere for UEFI systems .
[21:35] <kuahara> can I do that without an internet connection?
[21:36] <Bizzeh> http://pastebin.com/kQneEWuC <<< this, nacc?
[21:36] <kuahara> I believe that laptop I am doing this on has problems and I suspect with memory.  I can't get it to boot into new install of windows without it freezing.
[21:38] <ppf> kuahara: i said it twice now
[21:38] <kuahara> you said boot in legacy mode.  I see no options for that.
[21:38] <kuahara> the word legacy appears nowhere
[21:38] <Bill1973> kuahara. Sorry, thats window$ and exactly why i dumped it. Just need to getbetter at nix in general
[21:39] <kuahara> I just told you the only 4 options I have.  The one you're telling me to take isn't in the list.
[21:39] <Bizzeh> you get windows boot prompt by holding F8 at post, and keping hold of it until you get a set of options
[21:39] <kuahara> If there's some other way to get to it, I'm all ears.
[21:40] <Bizzeh> safemode and various other crap is in there
[21:40] <jonasgilje> ioria genii It was just a bad stick or a bad connection, I don't know. It's showing 3.5 G now which is close enough :) thanks for help
[21:40] <kuahara> F8 does nothing here, unforunately
[21:40] <kuahara> just gives me the same list I already had
[21:41] <Jordan_U> kuahara: Why can't you install any packages from the internet?
[21:41] <daumie_> Thanks w9qbj it worked!!
[21:42] <w9qbj> daumie_: Great!  The first Q I should have asked, do you have login on the target machine?  I'l try to remember nesdt time someone has the same problem
[21:43] <kuahara> Jordan_U  if I can't get an operating system loaded onto this machine, then a driver installed for the NIC, then actually connect it to the internet, that'd be fantastic
[21:44] <Jordan_U> kuahara: What happens when you try to boot from an Ubuntu LiveCD/USB (Of Ubuntu 16.04 or newer)?
[21:44] <kuahara> I can boot into Ubuntu live disk only so far.  If I choose the option "Try ubuntu without installing".
[21:44] <kuahara> but at that point, I have an entire OS loaded into memory, limiting the amount of memory I can test....not that I can test any at all.
[21:44] <w9qbj> kuahara: try varous Fn keys. not all laptops use the same combos for dropping into the "bios" You may have to read the boot splash screen rast.
[21:45] <Jordan_U> kuahara: Being able to test all free memory is presumably better than being able to test none.
[21:45] <kuahara> F12 / F8 bring up the option to boot from ODD, HDD, LAN, or enter setup
[21:45] <kuahara> no legacy boot option in there though
[21:45] <kuahara> Jordan_U if I boot all the way into the OS, there's no memtest application available to test it
[21:46] <w9qbj> on my system it's Del or F2
[21:46] <rn> hi
[21:46] <nacc> Bizzeh: not quite i don't think
[21:46] <w9qbj> rn: good 'eveining' what's up?
[21:46] <nacc> Bizzeh: you are changing the ownership which changes the user and group ownership
[21:46] <nacc> Bizzeh: err, only the user
[21:47] <kuahara> F2 takes me directly to setup.  Del does nothing.  F8 and F12 bring up a boot menu (legacy is not an option).
[21:47] <nacc> Bizzeh: i think you want `chown :sharedusb /path/to/file` or just `chgrp`
[21:47] <Jordan_U> kuahara: Boot into Ubuntu live, connect to the internet, install "memtester" then run "memtester 5G", where you replace "5G" with an amount slightly smaller than the available free memory.
[21:47] <Jeff_Belladonna> Hello, World!
[21:48] <kuahara> Not sure what CSM boot is, but that did the trick
[21:48] <tatertots> kuahara: i think you may want to state clearly weather or not you have internet connection while booted to livecd/liveusb
[21:49] <Jordan_U> kuahara: CSM is Compatability Support Module, which is what allows you to boot via BIOS on a UEFI based system.
[21:49] <Bizzeh> nacc: ive now ran chown -R :sharedusb /media/usb
[21:49] <nacc> Bizzeh: and did you check the group ownership has changed?
[21:49] <Bizzeh> and im STILL getting permission denied for when accessing the disk with debian-transmission, but not with darren
[21:49] <kuahara> That allowed me to use the memtest on the live disk.  Option was never there before
[21:49] <kuahara> at any rate, it's testing memory now
[21:49] <Jordan_U> kuahara: You should probably disable it again when you're through running memtest. Also unfortunately sometimes memtest will give false errors when run under CSM.
[21:49] <nacc> Bizzeh: pastebin `groups debian-transmission`, `ls -ahl /media/usb`
[21:50] <Bashing-om> kuahara: ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, with 0 loss ?
[21:50] <Jordan_U> kuahara: That's because memtest86+ can only boot via BIOS, so giving the option (which would just fail) when booting via UEFI doesn't make sense.
[21:50] <kuahara> I'll probably let this run over night or something.
[21:51] <kuahara> We're not even sure who owns this laptop.  I have to set it up as a cold spare though.  All this just to test memory, then put Windows back on it if there aren't issues with it.
[21:51] <Bizzeh> nacc: http://pastebin.com/2jkEQJNK
[21:51] <horseinabeer5678> anybody know where I can find sha1 and sha256 keys for verifying the most recent ubuntu desktop from their website?
[21:52] <horseinabeer5678> tried looking on google, etc, couldn't find anything
[21:53] <nacc> Bizzeh: and how are you accessing it as 'darren'?
[21:53] <Jordan_U> horseinabeer5678: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/how-to-verify
[21:53] <Bizzeh> nacc: putty
[21:53] <nacc> Bizzeh: or how are you verifying it, i mean
[21:53] <Bizzeh> just ran touch /media/usb/complete/test.bin
[21:53] <horseinabeer5678> great, thanks!
[21:53] <Bizzeh> no issues
[21:53] <nacc> Bizzeh: and how are you verifying debian-transmission can't?
[21:54] <Bizzeh> its a service that writes to disk, and i keep getting errors in the error log saying permission denied for /media/usb/complete/[filename]
[21:54] <Bizzeh> ps aux
[21:54] <Bizzeh> oops
[21:55] <nacc> Bizzeh: has that process been restarted since you changed group ownership?
[21:55] <Bizzeh> restarted the machine as a whole
[21:55] <nacc> Bizzeh: ok
[21:55] <nacc> Bizzeh: uh, /media/usb/complete is not g+w
[21:55] <w9qbj> Bizzeh: is pi a member of the sharedusb group
[21:55] <nacc> Bizzeh: so as i said, you need to do the right g+ stuff still
[21:56] <Bizzeh> nacc: explain?
[21:56] <Bizzeh> w9qbj: pi is, yes
[21:56] <nacc> Bizzeh: group members cannot write to /media/usb/complete
[21:56] <nacc> Bizzeh: you have not given group members permission to do so
[21:57] <nacc> Bizzeh: you didn't say you wanted to write, you said 'access' (which usually means read)
[21:57] <nacc> Bizzeh: but in any case, you need to specify (possibly on a per-file basis) who should be able to access the files
[21:57] <Bizzeh> nacc: ahh, ok, sorry. i need sharedusb to be able to write to disk
[21:57] <Bizzeh> the whole disk
[21:58] <nacc> Bizzeh: then, i think, chmod -R g+w /media/usb
[21:58] <nacc> Bizzeh: since you ran the chgrp equivalent alrady
[21:59] <Bizzeh> nacc: testing now
[22:00] <w9qbj> Bizzeh: you may need to login, or open a new shell - come perms are sticky to the running session
[22:00] <w9qbj> s/come/some/
[22:00] <Bizzeh> last command fixed
[22:00] <Bizzeh> thank you nacc
[22:00] <nacc> Bizzeh: you follow why?
[22:02] <Bizzeh> not sure, but... im going to go with, by default, the permissions only apply to the user, not the group, if you want to take the group into account, you need to do g+ ?
[22:02] <nacc> Bizzeh: the first commands only changed membership and ownership, not permissions
[22:02] <nacc> Bizzeh: not quite, there are 3 sets of permissions on files
[22:02] <nacc> Bizzeh: owner, group and other
[22:02] <Bizzeh> so running g+w gives the group the ability to write to that disk?
[22:04] <nacc> Bizzeh: chmod g+w /path/to/whatever changes the permissions on /path/to/whatever so group has write (+w = add write, +r = add read, +x = add execute)
[22:04] <nacc> Bizzeh: you used -R so it's recursive on everything starting at /media/usb
[22:05] <mantise> i was told to do this command to change my resolv.conf, Linux (inkl. Ubuntu):
[22:05] <mantise> echo -e "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>\nnameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" > /etc/resolv.conf . it doesnt work tho. so question is if its the right way i add it manually, ill add pastebin in a sec
[22:06] <Bizzeh> nacc: thank you
[22:06] <nacc> Bizzeh: yw
[22:06] <Bizzeh> been a long time since i used any sort of nix system, seems that some info has gone from my brain, some is fragmented, but, most of it is coming flooding back
[22:06] <mantise> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24197742/  <- is this wrong !? :)
[22:08]  * nudoge reads man page for resolvconf
[22:12] <dreamon> hello. searchin a way to connect 16.04 xubuntu with bluetooth speaker. the gui path dont work. → blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Resource temporarily unavailable
[22:12] <mantise> ..
[22:13] <nudoge> mantise: I dont know if it worked but I added some to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
[22:14] <nudoge> mantise: do you want link to source for askubuntu?
[22:18] <nudoge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24197807/ what do you think?
[22:24] <latino31> is there any respected ubuntu hardening programs that can harden the kernel without too much interference with normal operations
[22:26] <jblack> topic
[22:28] <jblack> Good afternoon. I've been trying to port some zfs packages in a ppa from  trusty to xenial. I was able to build them without much effort,  but apt insists on reinstalling the packages I built every apt-get upgrade.  Is there anything I can look at to figure out where I've gone wrong? Google hasn't been much help to me
[22:29] <Bashing-om> !pinning | jblack Maybe ?
[22:29] <tatertots> mantise: why not use the gui to implement your desired network settings?
[22:30] <leetskeet> hello all, is there a seperate channel for ubuntuserver 16.04
[22:30] <jblack> I could try pinning, but it seems like there's something fundamentally wrong when  apt is replacing the installed package with the exact same package every apt upgrade.
[22:30] <EriC^^> leetskeet: #ubuntu-server
[22:30] <leetskeet> thank you EriC^^!
[22:31] <jblack> apt-get upgrade;  it reinstalls  a bunch of zfs*-<IP_ADDRESS>-1~xenial;    apt-get upgrade again, and it reinstalls the exact same packages
[22:31] <minimec> latino31: Ubuntu is using AppArmor, and it is used per default. So you already have some kernel hardening. There is a list of available/used security features in ubuntu... See here ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[22:32] <latino31> thanks minimec
[22:39] <leetskeet_> hey again, went to #ubuntuserver but seems no one is in a helping mood.  i recently installed ubuntu 16.04 and have an issue with SSH login.  I have to do a local login on the server before I can do a SSH login with key.  have systemctl enable ssh and the config looks good, any thoughts
[22:40] <wedgie> encrypted drives?
[22:40] <leetskeet_> doh home is
[22:40] <jblack> Godo call, wedgie. An encruypted home could do that.
[22:40] <leetskeet_> that would explain it heh
[22:41] <leetskeet_> any workaround aside from start over
[22:41] <leetskeet_> no data yet so a rebuild isnt a big deal
[22:42] <wedgie> certainly easier without encryption, so be sure you have a legitimate need for it
[22:42] <wedgie> else, create a non-encrypted user, log into that via ssh, and from there decrypt the home dir of the user you want
[22:42] <leetskeet_> meh just a home fileserver so was just kind of tinkering around and thought, yeah encryption on home why not, forgot keys/auth file are in user home
[22:43] <leetskeet_> hmm will try using the non encrypt user, thank you for the input and feedback!
[22:44] <minimec> leetskeet_: That might be a solution. https://stephen.rees-carter.net/thought/encrypted-home-directories-ssh-key-authentication
[23:10] <dbclk> can anyone help me with this -> getting this error "GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C1192" ..when I run -> sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe'
[23:11] <dbclk> I'm simply trying to do -> sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe' && sudo apt-get update
[23:11] <dbclk> it's then throwing that error
[23:11] <dbclk> any ideas?
[23:13] <Bashing-om> dbclk: run ' sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver  keyserver.ubuntu.com 16126D3A3E5C1192 '.
[23:14] <dbclk> I think I did but, I'll try again
[23:15] <dbclk> where do you get the keys from Bashing-om ?
[23:15] <Bashing-om> dbclk: " keyserver.ubuntu.com " .
[23:16] <dbclk> hmm
[23:16] <dbclk> how is it generated?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> dbclk: That is a lesson in and of it's self . The GPG signing will be from what matches 16126D3A3E5C1192 . There are other ways to get the signing key, but it do get involved .
[23:19] <dbclk> Bashing-om: I tried your suggestion but, still got -> GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>==> default: W ==> default: :  ==> default: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release' is not signed. ==> default: E ==> default: :  ==> default: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xe
[23:20] <Bashing-om> dbclk: So do it now for that differnt key " 40976EAF437D05B5 " .
[23:20] <dbclk> ok I dont understand what you mean Bashing-om
[23:21] <eein> I think I found a dash bug. Can someone confirm. When I have a chrome with a youtube video full screen on a virtual desktop other than the primary if you press the play button in the left corner it brings up the recycling bin behind it on dash
[23:29] <Bashing-om> dbclk: 'sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver  keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5 ' .
[23:32] <dbclk> @ Bashing-om OK..I see what you mean but, it seems just to sudo apt-get install [my dependencies]....it's asking me to sign a whole bunch of keys
[23:33] <dbclk> now it's saying -> sudo add-apt-repository 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty universe'..now it's saying I need to signed this -> GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:35] <Bashing-om> dbclk: Well, that ain't good . try ' sudo apt-key update ' .
[23:36] <dbclk> should i do that instead of signing each keys?
[23:36] <dbclk> @ Bashing-om
[23:37] <Bashing-om> dbclk: Yeah .. ' sudo apt-key update ' see what the package manager advises .
[23:42] <Bashing-om> dbclk: Away for a bit, back soonest .
[23:42] <dbclk> thanks man
[23:59] <dbclk> Bashing-om: this doesn't make sense -> https://gist.github.com/dclarke-modus/badba2505db8eade47f48b85b534ef5e