[12:15] <swanfl> what repository do I have to add to get amarok 1.4.4?
[12:15] <adz21c> swanfl: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-144/ edgy main
[12:15] <mzli> wildchild: dpkg -i [package name]       install
[12:15] <swanfl> thanks adz
[12:15] <swanfl> :)
[12:15] <darkkish_> i want somethign similar to kasbar but better looking or something
[12:15] <adz21c> np :)
[12:15] <mzli> wildchild: dpkg -r [package name]          remove
[12:16] <darkkish_> can kasbar be skinned?
[12:17] <darkkish_> i don't like how you can see part of my background below all of the icons
[12:17] <darkkish_> i want something to atleast dim the screen where more icons would appear
[12:19] <darkkish_> ?
[12:21] <darkkish_> nobody knows about kasbar?
[12:22] <Black5un> !yum
[12:22] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[12:23] <darkkish_> ?
[12:23] <Black5un> !kasbar
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kasbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <Black5un> nope
[12:24] <darkkish_> ok it comes with kde
[12:24] <darkkish_> and if you right click on your task bar
[12:24] <darkkish_> and go to somtehing like new task bar > kasbar
[12:24] <darkkish_> i want something simliar to that but i want it to look nicer
[12:24] <Black5un> i use console
[12:24] <darkkish_> ...
[12:24] <Black5un> no gui
[12:24] <Black5un> <--old skool
[12:24] <darkkish_> lol then why are you in kubuntu?
[12:24] <darkkish_> #kubuntu
[12:25] <Black5un> just checking it out
[12:25] <Black5un> so far centos was the best for me
[12:26] <kkathman> oddd... wonder why kicker takes up so much cpu?
[12:26] <kkathman> hmm seems like it should just more or less sit there :)
[12:26] <darkkish_> me too damn
[12:29] <swanfl> is there a way to write a music file out to a wav within Amarok?
[12:30] <chx> I have a black-and-white image and I would like to change white to transparent
[12:30] <TheDebugger> Since when #ubuntu became #gimp? :P
[12:30] <swanfl> what program are you using, chx?
[12:30] <TheDebugger> Or #AdobePhotoshop :)
[12:31] <chx> erm I am looking at kolourpaint
[12:31] <chx> but I suspect this is doable by the ways of convert of imagemagick fame
[12:31] <swanfl> do you have the gimp?
[12:31] <swanfl> hehe
[12:31] <chx> gimp...? hardly.
[12:31] <swanfl> what can I say, debugger, it's good :)
[12:31] <darkkish_> does anyone know an alternitave for kasbar?
[12:31] <chx> gimp always always scared the shit out of me
[12:31] <swanfl> scared why?
[12:31] <chx> I am a PHP coder not a graph wizard
[12:32] <chx> kolourpaint does what I need
[12:32] <chx> which is about 99.5% of the time is 'flip, rescale, save'
[12:32] <swanfl> oic
[12:33] <swanfl> the gimp is a pwerful tool
[12:33] <swanfl> powerful too :)
[12:33] <swanfl> and useful
[12:33] <chx> I know and powerful means a learning curve which I do not really do not want to climb ...
[12:34] <swanfl> is kolourpaint the only graphics experience you have?
[12:35] <chx> convert -transparent white seal_small.png seal_small2.png
[12:35] <chx> :)
[12:35] <chx> gimp would be the thermonuclear flyswatter to do the same
[12:35] <swanfl> not really
[12:35] <swanfl> just a few steps :)
[12:35] <FFForever> can i get wobbly windows on my ATI Readon XPRESS 200M 5955?
[12:37] <FFForever> yes, no, maybe?
[12:44] <darkkish_> does anyone know an alternitave for kasbar?
[12:47] <trips> hello to all
[12:48] <trips> anyone out there?
[12:48] <apokryphos> hi trips
[12:48] <apokryphos> !anyone
[12:48] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[12:48] <trips> hows it going ?
[12:48] <dave> yes im out here
[12:48] <kkathman> yo apokryphos :)
[12:49] <trips> lol hello mate
[12:49] <trips> where's everyone from then?
[12:49] <apokryphos> trips: good, all well. And yourself?
[12:49] <apokryphos> I'm from London
[12:49] <kkathman> trips:  from Texas here :)
[12:49] <apokryphos> hey kkathman
[12:49] <dave> new to this linux stuff.im in lancashire UK
[12:49] <trips> yeah im not to bad.. Really bored tho.. Chattin out of Kidderminster UK
[12:50] <trips> But im from Wales, and study in Newcastle
[12:51] <kkathman> Hawkwind:  Im up around Dallas..u ?
[12:51] <dave> just found this in a new install of Kubuntu....will use again
[12:52] <kkathman> apokryphos:  I guess I never realized you were from London.. my close colleague hails from Newcastle :)
[12:52] <dave> what you guys using
[12:52] <trips> i know this is a real newb question... But im running Breezy Badger still.. whats the easiest way 'using apt' to install the latest stable release of Kubuntu?
[12:52] <apokryphos> dave: Kubuntu Edgy and openSUSE 10.2
[12:52] <apokryphos> trips: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:52] <apokryphos> kkathman: yup, always in London 8)
[12:52] <trips> :D cheers butt
[12:52] <Hawkwind> kkathman: I'm in Katy, about 2 minutes outside of Houston
[12:52] <kkathman> I see
[12:53] <HailandKill> Is Kubuntu meant to take friggin ages to boot on it's first boot...?
[12:54] <kkathman> brb
[12:54] <trips> hmm not really
[12:54] <dave> i just save all i need to a flash drive and start from scratch with the new distro
[12:54] <trips> you recon thats the best way to upgrade? i've heard upgrading via apt can be abit dodgy sometimes
[12:54] <trips> i'm not to kean on having to reinstall all the packages ive got
[12:54] <HailandKill> Oh. Hasn't done much. It's got a little kubuntu logo, and apparently it has restarted the system log
[12:55] <dave> yes ive had a few probs that way
[12:55] <HailandKill> nothing else has been reported for several min.
[12:55] <trips> How stable is Dapper/Feisty?? I'm still on Breezy, and i find this to be alright, although my system seems to crash at least 2/3 times a day, surely this cant be right, Linux is usually meant to be incredibly stable
[12:56] <karmikaze> lupine_85: still around?
[12:56] <dave> im just a geek and dont mind redownloading the packages
[12:56] <karmikaze> anyone using those lupine nvidia drivers?
[12:56] <lupine_85> yeah
[12:56] <lupine_85> 'sup?
[12:56] <karmikaze> ah
[12:56] <karmikaze> ok so ive followed the steps on the site
[12:57] <karmikaze> but when i do the enable, it still complains about the kernel
[12:57] <karmikaze> you mentioned something about uninstall
[12:57] <lupine_85> mm
[12:57] <karmikaze> do i manually need to remove something before getting your packages
[12:57] <lupine_85> just the nvidia driver package with the --uninstall option
[12:57] <karmikaze> can you tell me the command you mean, im not quite sure
[12:58] <HailandKill> Okay.. I'm installing the AMD 64 version of Dapper, from DVD, onto an Aspire 5050 laptop... I must have done seomthing wrong.. since it obviously isn't booting correctly.
[12:58] <HailandKill> I chose the text install and everything seemed to go well, the start kubuntu or install option on the boot menu didn't work.  In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[01:14] <linx-> or not..
[01:14] <Ace2016> how can you kick a bot out?
[01:14] <linx-> it is listed
[01:14] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about was booted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:15] <lupine_85> phew :)
[01:15] <karmikaze> :O
[01:15] <linx-> i saw ubotu fly out of the channel earlier, with the split
[01:15] <karmikaze> hehe
[01:15] <lupine_85> !info openoffice.org edgy
[01:15] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[01:15] <linx-> but appearently it got back :)
[01:15] <lupine_85> !info openoffice.org feisty
[01:15] <ubotu> openoffice.org: OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-7ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3 kB, installed size 28 kB
[01:15] <lupine_85> nah, not in feisty either
[01:15] <darkkish_> hey
[01:15] <darkkish_> i need help again
[01:15] <darkkish_> no no don't give me !ask
[01:15] <darkkish_> i'm getting there...
[01:16] <HymnToLife> !ask
[01:16] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:16] <darkkish_> Ok so in kde you can right click the task bar and add an "external task bar"
[01:16] <Ace2016> what would have been funny was if lots pf people did !ask streight away
[01:16] <siraj> hello
[01:16] <Ace2016> Hi
[01:17] <siraj> hows it goin'
[01:17] <HymnToLife> darkkish_, yeah, AFAIK the feature was too much user-confusing
[01:17] <HymnToLife> so it was remove from GNOME
[01:18] <darkkish_> ok well
[01:18] <darkkish_> i have that working but
[01:18] <darkkish_> i want the bottom task bar to show only the tasks on my current desktop
[01:18] <darkkish_> and the top menu to show ALL of my apps
[01:19] <Jucato> I don't think that's possible. there's only one setting that controls all taskbars
[01:20] <Jucato> (taskbar applets)
[01:20] <oem> well i finally got Root to work
[01:20] <oem> with kubuntu
[01:20] <linx-> i have two problems with kweather (2.1.0): one is, i have the kweater panel applet running.. but it won't give weather info for any station i select in the list.. just will default to the non-existent weather station 0000.. and bug me about the requested weather station being unknown.
[01:21] <oem> anyone know how i can get a cpu/ram monitor on my desktop running all the time?
[01:21] <oem> and the weather etc.
[01:22] <bluebunny> Darkkish: right click any empty space on the panel, click configure panel, click the taskbar button on the left, and uncheck "show windows from all desktops."
[01:22] <farion> hello
[01:22] <darkkish_> so there is no way to do what i want to do Jucato
[01:22] <oem> no because jews suck
[01:22] <oem> lol
[01:22] <Jucato> darkkish_: none that I know of
[01:22] <Jucato> oem: please refrain from making comments like that. thanks
[01:22] <farion> there are only two items in my kcontrol (feisty) - how can i get kcontrol back?
[01:23] <oem> k
[01:23] <HymnToLife> !coc | oem
[01:23] <ubotu> oem: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:23] <Rug> I have tried to upgrade from dapper to edgy 3 times now, and each time Kde becomes an unstable mess.  If I nuke everything and install Edgy fresh can I expect more KDE stability?
[01:23] <siraj>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[01:24] <HymnToLife> siraj, thank Whoever you didn't put your real pw here ;)
[01:24] <jbruckman> Rug: Yeah, I use Kubuntu Edgy, and it works OK for me.
[01:24] <bluebunny> Rug: not sure, but probably.
[01:24] <jbruckman> Rug: but i had a lot of problems at first, most of which due to audio(my hardware is a bit...customized though)
[01:24] <Rug> ok, thanks for the warning
[01:25] <HymnToLife> Rug, yeah, a clean install is definitely far less troublesmone than an upgrade
[01:25] <jbruckman> Rug: yeah. every problem i've ever had with ubuntu has regarded hardware recognition.
[01:25] <jbruckman> Rug: Fedora never had that problem with my hardware, but it had other problems...
[01:26] <Rug> I love KDE apps and back-end (DCOP) but I hate it as a WM, so I usually use Fluxbox as my WM on top of kde backend.
[01:27] <Rug> HymnToLife: to flux or rpm?
[01:27] <farion> does nobody knows, how to get kcontrol back?
[01:27] <HymnToLife> to RPM
[01:27] <HymnToLife> I'm a KDE die-hard since 1999 so I can't agree wqith you on Flux :p
[01:27] <kkathman> farion:  just alt-f2 and type kcontrol
[01:27] <kkathman> then edit your k-menu and replace system settings with kcontrol if you want
[01:28] <HymnToLife> @time Paris
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Paris: December 22 2006, 01:28:14
[01:28] <HymnToLife> damn
[01:28] <HymnToLife> I need to go to bed
[01:28] <farion> i know howto start kcontrol, but kcontrol is empty - there are only two useless entries
[01:28] <kkathman> odd
[01:28] <HymnToLife> farion, looks like an issue we had in Debian a while ago
[01:28] <kkathman> its full on my system
[01:28] <Jucato> farion: tried reinstalling it? sudo apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[01:29] <farion> allready done
[01:29] <Rug> Thank-god for RedHat though, without them a lot of peeps would have never had a chance to try linux.  My first experience was RedHat v5.2, it came on floppies.  Worked ok on my 386DX40, but there were no apps, so it only lasted a week.
[01:29] <HymnToLife> farion, do all the KControl modules appear in Lost & Found ?
[01:29] <HymnToLife> Rug, my first was Debian Slink, we already had CDs then :p
[01:29] <jbruckman> @time chicago
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: December 21 2006, 18:29:59
[01:30] <farion> you mean K->Lost&Found (Nicht zuzuordnen)
[01:30] <HymnToLife> farion, yep
[01:31] <darkkish_> so are there places where you can download new apps? like a secondary taskbar app that shows all of the taskbars at once?
[01:31] <darkkish_> even if your other task bar app only shows the taskbar on that desktop space
[01:31] <farion> yes, there are a lot of the missing items
[01:32] <darkkish_> lol
[01:33] <farion> but not complete - i think - changing the theme is missing
[01:33] <Syath> Gah, I'm still trying to figure out how to install .tar.gz files
[01:33] <oem> o
[01:33] <Syath> I know how to install them in synaptic
[01:33] <ironfroggy_LT> i have plugged in my new camera to the USB port, which took me to system:/media/camera and it lists two directories there. if i click either, it just takes me to system:/media/camera/camera which lists the same two directories as unknown types of files, not directories.
[01:33] <ironfroggy_LT> any idea here?
[01:34] <bluebunny> Syath: tar -xvf tarfile.tar
[01:35] <farion> is there a fix for the kcontrol-problem?
[01:35] <LinuxTechnician> so whats shakin
[01:36] <LinuxTechnician> jesus lol
[01:36] <HymnToLife> farion, which Ubuntu verison are you using ?
[01:37] <farion> feisty
[01:37] <bluebunny> What is up with everybody joining the channel at the same time?
[01:37] <jbruckman> lol
[01:37] <jbruckman> ?
[01:37] <jbruckman> i think something got reset server end.
[01:38] <HymnToLife> farion, all right, try this :      sudo cp /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
[01:38] <HymnToLife> we had the same bug in Debian a while ago
[01:38] <jbruckman> haha, ok
[01:38] <jbruckman> i'm out. ciao
[01:38] <Jucato> that would be strange... as #debian is on OFTC... while we're on Freenode... coincidence? or conspiracy? :P
[01:39] <farion> kde-essential.menu is allready in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged
[01:39] <HymnToLife> Jucato, that was for farion (and there's a #debian on FN too)
[01:39] <HymnToLife> farion, hmm
[01:39] <Jucato> ah
[01:39] <farion> and kde-essential.menu does not exist
[01:40] <HymnToLife> make up your mind, either it's in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged or it does not exist
[01:41] <farion> locate only shows /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu
[01:43] <HymnToLife> so maybe that's your problem because the file list for kdebase-data in feisty says it shoud be in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/
[01:44] <farion> apt-file says this too - i have this problem on three machines with a new installation
[01:44] <HymnToLife> try reinstalling kdebase-data
[01:45] <HymnToLife> and if it doesn't work, well, you'll have to copy all the files manually
[01:45] <HymnToLife> and maybe you should file a bug for it
[01:46] <farion> did not work
[01:46] <HymnToLife> !bug
[01:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:47] <farion> year - "cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu /etc/xdg/menus/kde-application-merged" works
[01:50] (izauro/#kubuntu) como le hago?
[01:50] (HymnToLife/#kubuntu) !es | izauro
[01:50] (ubotu/#kubuntu) izauro: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:51] (izauro/#kubuntu) ok
[01:52] <deviant> Needing help, Keep getting this error when I try to sudo make all make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[01:53] <lupine_85> what it says
[01:53] <lupine_85> that directory should be a symlink to your kernel's headers
[01:53] <lupine_85> so presumably you don't have linux-headers-2.6.15-23-386 installed
[01:53] <deviant> I downloaded the linux source same thing?
[01:54] <lupine_85> linux source != linux headers
[01:55] <DarkWizdom> almost the same*
[01:55] <darkkish_> how can i make the dock application bar smaller?
[01:55] <lupine_85> DarkWizdom: linux-headers is a couple of config files and a lot of symlinks...
[01:56] <DarkWizdom> yes, so they are not same as source :|
[01:57] <campbch> what's a good p2p program like amule or whatever that doesn't deal with lowids and such?
[01:58] <deviant> Okay, Downloaded the linux headers make all worked.. Now I can't mkdir o.O
[01:58] <deviant> lol sorry abit of a n00b at this stuff.
[02:01] <Tesla> campbch: its a generally a lame question
[02:01] <farion> how can i start guidance-power-manager?
[02:02] <Omnifrog> is there an Xlogical package for kubuntu?
[02:03] <darkkish_> xlogical?
[02:03] <Omnifrog> the game Xlogical
[02:05] <deviant> lol How do you edit stuff with vi?
[02:05] <bluebunny> Omnifrog: I just did a search in Synaptic and couldn't find Xlogical.
[02:05] <Omnifrog> ya, me too
[02:05] <darkkish_> farion: type it into run or konsole
[02:05] <Omnifrog> thats why i asked in here
[02:06] <bluebunny> Omnifrog: what kind of game is it?
[02:07] <xwolf-> !wav
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wav - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <Omnifrog> its cool. balls come out and you move them around. it's better then an orgasem
[02:07] <Jucato> deviant: just use nano... :P
[02:07] <lupine_85> !vi
[02:07] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[02:07] <farion> guidance-power-manager shows this error in a terminal power-manager: ERROR: Communication problem with power-manager, it probably chrashed.
[02:07] <lupine_85> lol, that's useful
[02:07] <lupine_85> vi has edit and command moders
[02:08] <lupine_85> takes some getting used to
[02:08] <xwolf-> i'm having problems playing a particular wav file... codecs missing?
[02:08] <Jucato> takes *a lot* of getting used to :)
[02:08] <lupine_85> Jucato: that too :p
[02:22] <deviant> Anyone in here ever try to set up a Linksys Wireless PCI card?
[02:23] <darkkish> yeah i have
[02:23] <darkkish> i never got it to work though
[02:23] <darkkish> sorry
[02:23] <darkkish> i really like xubuntu
[02:23] <darkkish> you can have a panel at the top that shows ALL of the running apps
[02:23] <darkkish> and at the same time have one at the bottom that only shows the current running apps
[02:23] <darkkish> er
[02:23] <darkkish> the apps on that desktop
[02:24] <Jucato> that's a "minimize to icon" feature. not really a taskbar
[02:24] <CMeKillMyRouter> you can do that with kubuntu too
[02:24] <CMeKillMyRouter> iirc
[02:27] <darkkish> what Jucato?
[02:27] <darkkish> CMeKillMyRouter: how can i do that in kubuntu?
[02:27] <hanan> how could I copy the window manager theme of kubuntu to somewhere else (crystal theme)
[02:27] <hanan> ?
[02:28] <darkkish> and Jucato it is not a miminize to icon feature, its a taskbar.
[02:28] <Jucato> hanan: it's a package: kwin-style-crystal
[02:28] <Jucato> darkkish: oh ok. not really familiar with Xubuntu lately
[02:29] <hanan> Jucato: do you know where it installs to?
[02:29] <darkkish> CMeKillMyRouter: you there?
[02:30] <hanan> or how can I list the files installed by a package?
[02:30] <Jucato> hanan: it's not just a simple configuration file. it installs plugins/small programs (.so). so it's not a simple matter of copying it from one machine to another
[02:30] <hanan> ah
[02:30] <Jucato> installing a window decoration is like installing a program
[02:31] <Jucato> hanan: you can just download the kwin-style-crystal.deb file and install it on another machine, though
[02:31] <hanan> Jucato: assuming the other machine runs debian/derivitive
[02:31] <Jucato> yep
[02:31] <hanan> Jucato: but thanks very muchly =)
[02:31] <Jucato> otherwise, you'd have to compile the source code...
[02:32] <Jucato> hanan: as for theother question, how to se files installed by a package: dpkg -L <packagename>
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> yes
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> I'm there
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> but I don't know how
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> I'm killing my router and trying to talk to my ISP
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> their DNS resolvers are down
[02:34] <CMeKillMyRouter> or one of them is
[02:40] <darkkish> yeah xubuntu is my new favorite lappy OS
[02:40] <darkkish> sorry kubuntu lol
[02:41] <CMeKillMyRouter> yes it's good for laptops
[02:41] <CMeKillMyRouter> kubuntu for desktops
[02:41] <CMeKillMyRouter> however kubuntu will be on my Dell XPS
[02:42] <darkkish> yeah
[02:42] <darkkish> xubuntu is just nice because this is only a 750Mhz pIII with 512MB of 133Mhz ram
[02:42] <darkkish> sad no?
[02:42] <darkkish> but i like it
[02:43] <CMeKillMyRouter> hey I ran KUBUNTU on a 300 MHZ
[02:43] <darkkish> haha i'm not saying its impossible
[02:43] <CMeKillMyRouter> (it had 512 MB ram tho)
[02:43] <darkkish> i actually kindof like the layout of xubuntu more
[02:43] <CMeKillMyRouter> ;-)
[02:43] <darkkish> for some things
[02:43] <darkkish> not for all things
[02:44] <Tesla> hehe. you wount believe but i installed kubuntu on 188 MHz Pentium MMX
[02:44] <darkkish> lol why?
[02:44] <darkkish> archaic
[02:44] <darkkish> damn
[02:44] <darkkish> why is there no heat :(
[02:44] <darkkish> i'm getting no heat in my apt
[02:44] <Jucato> hmm....
[02:44] <darkkish> its freaking freezing mr bigglesworth
[02:44] <darkkish> oh well back to doing what i was doing before
[02:44] <darkkish> rewriting the ending to romeo and juliet
[02:45] <darkkish> jucato would you like me to send you a screeny?
[02:45] <Jucato> darkkish: please?
[02:45] <darkkish>  mk
[02:45] <Brokenrgv> hiya ppl anyone have probs with amarok mtp support after the latet open office patch?  sounds weird i know
[02:46] <Tesla> Brokenrgv: what is mtp ?
[02:46] <darkkish> i'm getting a konversation error
[02:46] <darkkish> "cannot talk to klauncher"
[02:46] <Jucato> :O
[02:46] <darkkish> i assume thats bevcause i'm not currently running kde
[02:47] <Jucato> darkkish: hm.. imageshack?
[02:47] <darkkish> umm
[02:47] <darkkish> yeah
[02:47] <darkkish> i guess
[02:47] <Tesla> darkkish: unregistered users cant talk privatly
[02:47] <Brokenrgv> some microsoft thing that mp3 players like creatives zen visiom m use
[02:47] <Brokenrgv> ther eis i aamarok irc chat isnt there
[02:47] <Tesla> Brokenrgv: oh i see. dont have it.
[02:48] <Jucato> Brokenrgv: yes. #amarok
[02:49] <darkkish> what tesla?
[02:50] <Tesla> darkkish: you are unregistered on irc here. so you cant talk privatly with ppl
[02:50] <darkkish> i forgot my stupid photobucket account/passworfd
[02:50] <darkkish> tesla i'm not trying to talk privately with anyone...
[02:50] <Tesla> darkkish: use www.imageshack.us
[02:50] <Tesla> ;-)
[02:50] <karmikaze> compiz or beryl??
[02:50] <karmikaze> beryl is the cube right
[02:51] <TheDebugger> Compiz == beryl
[02:51] <TheDebugger> Beryl is a fork
[02:51] <TheDebugger> beryl is the future ;)
[02:51] <darkkish> http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1088/screenshottl1.png
[02:51] <darkkish> @ Jucato
[02:52] <karmikaze> ok
[02:52] <Jucato> darkkish: thanks. opening now
[02:52] <karmikaze> beryl ftw then
[02:52] <darkkish> karmikaze: see thats what i've been trying to do
[02:52] <karmikaze> ooh
[02:52] <darkkish> karmikaze: i ended up doing it in xubuntu instead
[02:52] <karmikaze> hrm
[02:52] <Jucato> darkkish: oh kool. let me try to see if it can be done in KDE :)
[02:53] <darkkish> kk
[02:53] <islsm_usb> !xinerama
[02:53] <ubotu> xinerama is using multiple monitors as one big monitor. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[02:53] <RoboMoore> Why don't you message scry that command next time?
[02:53] <RoboMoore> hmmm
[02:53] <RoboMoore> errors in system
[02:54] <izauro> hello
[02:54] <izauro> i need help
[02:54] <izauro> i need configure my card
[02:54] <izauro> sound card
[02:55] <izauro> anybody can help me?
[02:56] <izauro> is anybody here?
[02:56] <ForgeAus> hey all
[02:56] <ForgeAus> sup?
[02:56] <izauro> anybody can help me?
[02:57] <ForgeAus> izauro, just ask what your problem is, not sure I will know the answer tho
[02:57] <izauro> ok
[02:57] <izauro> i need configurate my sound card
[02:57] <ForgeAus> erm I think its configure, but anyhow, go on
[02:57] <izauro> my sound card is Analog Device AD1981b
[02:58] <ForgeAus> doesn't sound familiar, but are you getting an error message? or can you not find a driver?
[02:58] <izauro> well
[02:59] <izauro> the system it recognize me how INTEL ICH5
[02:59] <izauro> my sound card is Analog Device AD1981b not INTEL ICH5
[03:00] <izauro> the sound is very bad
[03:00] <karmikaze> what issues did you have darkkish_
[03:00] <ForgeAus> can you do a search on google or something to find the right driver?
[03:00] <karmikaze> who wants to put down a success percent of being able to install beryl :P
[03:00] <darkkish_> with what karmikaze?
[03:00] <ForgeAus> it may be more difficult, as in a tarball to install :(
[03:00] <karmikaze> 40% chance i'll install it and itll work?
[03:01] <karmikaze> 20%?
[03:01] <izauro> ok
[03:01] <izauro> i will return winxp
[03:01] <ForgeAus> karm... lol no idea
[03:01] <bluebunny> Izauro: I'd help, but I don't really know much about configuring sound.  All I can say is, try poking around in System Settings.
[03:01] <ForgeAus> I havn't tried it
[03:01] <ForgeAus> izauro.. why? can't you browse inside your *nix box?)
[03:01] <karmikaze> heh
[03:02] <karmikaze> lets put it this way, anyone here have beryl working in kubuntu?
[03:02] <izauro> ubuntu is very dificult for me
[03:02] <ForgeAus> wow how'd I add gnome to my kubuntu?
[03:02] <ForgeAus> it wasn't there before
[03:02] <darkkish_> i'm going to go afk for about 30 or 35 minutes
[03:02] <lupine_85> karmikaze: I use it :)
[03:02] <darkkish_> if you need me pm me
[03:02] <karmikaze> heh
[03:02] <bluebunny> Luckily, sound just works for me.
[03:02] <ForgeAus> karmi there is a repository to install it from within adept
[03:02] <lupine_85> 80% chance of it working, overall :)
[03:02] <kory> beryl works great in Kubuntu
[03:02] <karmikaze> ok cool
[03:02] <ForgeAus> brows the net I can't remmeber hte page but you can find it
[03:02] <karmikaze> i'll give it a go then :)
[03:02] <karmikaze> ive got kubuntu to a nice state, just wondering if i should risk breaking it already lol
[03:02] <lupine_85> see the wiki for a full installation guide
[03:02] <ForgeAus> just remember kubuntu already has one of those abbrevs installed into it
[03:03] <ForgeAus> XFG or something
[03:03] <ForgeAus> that beryl needs
[03:03] <lupine_85> wiki.beryl-project.org
[03:03] <karmikaze> yeah lookin at the wiki now :)
[03:03] <izauro> i speak spanish
[03:03] <ForgeAus> XUG
[03:03] <lupine_85> !es
[03:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:03] <lupine_85> :)
[03:03] <ForgeAus> some kinda tla anyhow
[03:03] <ForgeAus> (tla = three letter acronym if you didn't already know)
[03:03] <ForgeAus> and I'm sure there was an x in there somewhere for this particular one
[03:04] <ForgeAus> everythings different in gnome! um how do I extend a partition without unmounting it?
[03:04] <izauro> i prefer winxp
[03:04] <ForgeAus> (theres space to extend it into
[03:04] <izauro> i prefer gates
[03:05] <izauro> no its true
[03:05] <izauro> jjeje
[03:05] <ForgeAus> izauro thats fair, but I'd like you to consider trying to get used to your linux box
[03:05] <izauro> its not true
[03:05] <ForgeAus> or whatever installation you are using for ubuntu
[03:05] <bluebunny> Torvalds all the way, baby.
[03:05] <ForgeAus> well the point of being free is more than enough for me lol
[03:06] <ForgeAus> and I hate working around wga
[03:06] <ForgeAus> I mean its ok for windows defender just use the -qr switch!
[03:06] <ForgeAus> but for ie7 and wmp11 its a pain
[03:07] <CMeKillMyRouter> wga is such a pain what were they thinking :(
[03:07] <ForgeAus> still I have to admit I'm currently using vmware to run my Kubuntu! rofl
[03:07] <ForgeAus> they were thinking of protecting their investment, its all about the money and licenses
[03:07] <CMeKillMyRouter> well tis a pain for AVERAGE USERS
[03:08] <CMeKillMyRouter> my mom even said "they think I'm some criminal?"
[03:08] <CMeKillMyRouter> shammmmme.
[03:08] <ForgeAus> um technically
[03:09] <ForgeAus> if you didn't pay for windowsXP you ARE a criminal
[03:09] <darkkish_> whatg the hellllllll
[03:09] <darkkish_> theres no heat
[03:09] <ForgeAus> but the fact that you are is rediculous imho..
[03:09] <darkkish_> OR HOT WATER
[03:09] <darkkish_> -_-
[03:09] <CMeKillMyRouter> smooth criminal
[03:09] <bluebunny> Some people are of the opinion that computers shouldn't have passwords.
[03:10] <ForgeAus> lol CMe
[03:10] <ForgeAus> personally I find ReactOS interesting
[03:10] <ForgeAus> lol a free windows...
[03:10] <ForgeAus> well its left in the dark ages but its still interesting
[03:11] <darkkish_> well i think comps should have passwords
[03:11] <darkkish_> but don't think you should have to get root to change the time on the clock
[03:11] <ForgeAus> I don't think they're necessary I believe they should be optional
[03:11] <darkkish_> i think people should just be more careful about locking thier computers when they walk away
[03:11] <darkkish_> and the only time you shoudl have to type it, is when logging on, or unlocking
[03:12] <Jucato> darkkish_: you need admin privs to change the time on the clock, because setting the wrong time could mess up the system (like sudo)
[03:12] <darkkish_> -_-
[03:12] <darkkish_> well why can't i always be su?
[03:12] <Jucato> !root | darkkish_
[03:12] <ubotu> darkkish_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:12] <deviant> w00t got Linksys wireless card working.
[03:12] <bluebunny> I prefer wine if I actually need to run a Windoze program, but the only thing I ever use it for is Diablo II.
[03:13] <ForgeAus> darkkish thats ecause you'd open yourself up to virus' etc that way
[03:13] <BluesKaj> maybe , maybe not , really passwords are at best a thin wall for predators , I'm talking about windoze of course :)
[03:13] <ForgeAus> lol diablo 2 interesting
[03:13] <darkkish_> sudo means
[03:13] <Jucato> well, not really viruses, but more of crackers
[03:13] <darkkish_> superuser do
[03:13] <darkkish_> so why can't i always be super user
[03:13] <ForgeAus> wine's interesting itself actually
[03:13] <darkkish_> instead of constantly having to re su every time i change the simplest setting?
[03:13] <ForgeAus> is there any other windows layer program for *nix?... what does crossover office actually give you?
[03:14] <darkkish_> cedega, crossover, wine
[03:14] <darkkish_> thats all i know ove
[03:14] <darkkish_> of
[03:14] <Jucato> darkkish_: on the command line, sudo will rememer your password for a few minutes (10 or 15, I think)
[03:14] <deviant> Cedega is great is you wish to pay everymonth just to play your games.
[03:14] <ForgeAus> cedega?
[03:14] <darkkish_> no lol
[03:14] <darkkish_> its more like 2 minutes Jucato
[03:14] <Jucato> hm...
[03:14] <ForgeAus> crossover is not free either
[03:14] <darkkish_> anyways have you figured out how to do what i want to do yet jucato?
[03:14] <Jucato> darkkish_: "The password is stored by default for 15 minutes. After that time, you will need to enter your password again."
[03:15] <darkkish_> deviant: cedega is free
[03:15] <deviant> Eh?
[03:15] <Jucato> that's from the RootSudo page. you might want to read it
[03:15] <darkkish_> deviant: you only have to pay for support
[03:15] <ForgeAus> still what does crossover let you do ?
[03:15] <darkkish_> you can find free versions of cedega though
[03:15] <Jucato> Cedega CVS is free (and unsupported)
[03:15] <deviant> Is it outdated?
[03:15] <Jucato> darkkish_: haven't found a way yet. it's the 2nd thing that Xfce has over KDE, when it comes to customization
[03:15] <darkkish_> yeah
[03:15] <darkkish_> um
[03:15] <darkkish_> idk
[03:15] <darkkish_> it runs wow on my desktop
[03:15] <darkkish_> perfectly
[03:16] <darkkish_> but it was a pain in the ass
[03:16] <darkkish_> you actually have to install the programs in cedega
[03:16] <darkkish_> you can't just run any already installed proggy
[03:16] <darkkish_> what is the first Jucato?
[03:16] <Jucato> darkkish_: the ability to make your own menus on the panel
[03:16] <deviant> Had Cedega at one time, It was kind of a pain... But if there's a free version I might have to rethink using my windows to play games heh.
[03:17] <darkkish_> ok shower has finally warmed up guys
[03:17] <darkkish_> i'll be back in a few
[03:17] <bluebunny> Lol.
[03:18] <bluebunny> I should have said that when I went to Mcdonalds.
[03:20] <ForgeAus> how do I grow the system partition?
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I got space to grow it in but under gnome I need to unmount it... and thats not possible
[03:21] <ForgeAus> at least not if I'm booting off it
[03:22] <bluebunny> Try from a rescue CD.
[03:23] <islsm_usb> .
[03:23] <ForgeAus> like you mean use a live install?
[03:23] <ForgeAus> ie my Kubuntu iso?
[03:23] <ForgeAus> sorry live CD or whatever its called
[03:23] <ForgeAus> if I do that how do I run Gnome or QT partition editor?
[03:23] <ForgeAus> is it built into the liveCD?
[03:24] <bluebunny> Yeah, sort of, but they actually have Linux CDs with utilities on them just for that sort of thing.
[03:24] <bluebunny> Try a google search for linux rescue cd.
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Knoppix is a good CD for that
[03:25] <BluesKaj> rescue cd ? there's one in the grub
[03:25] <ForgeAus> ahh I got one of them
[03:25] <ForgeAus> lessee
[03:25] <Admiral_Chicago> it's the best LiveCD
[03:26] <ForgeAus> knoppix5en right?
[03:26] <CMeKillMyRouter> knoppix is awesome :D
[03:26] <ForgeAus> I like kubuntu better...
[03:26] <ForgeAus> but knoppix is interesting... I think I messed it up somehow trying to change window managers tho
[03:27] <bluebunny> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[03:27] <ForgeAus> (ended up wiht just a grey bar down the bottom that seemed to do nothing)
[03:27] <karmikaze> ok beryl just went a bit crazy >_>
[03:27] <DarkWizdom> cannot start knoppix as it does not support booting from scsi drives -_-
[03:27] <Lathiat> Beryl on crack: news at noon ;)
[03:28] <karmikaze> lol
[03:28] <ForgeAus> wow nice URL
[03:28] <Misfit> hm
[03:28] <ForgeAus> I aren't up to beryl yet
[03:28] <karmikaze> ok beryl-manager kinda works i think
[03:28] <karmikaze> hrmm
[03:28] <Misfit> Why does 'Home' hide the '/.kde' folder?
[03:28] <karmikaze> ok nice
[03:28] <karmikaze> whered all my titlebars go to?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> what do you mean kinda?
[03:28] <karmikaze> well i think its working
[03:28] <karmikaze> cept all my titlebars are gone
[03:28] <Lathiat> karmikaze: you need to run a separate window decorator with beryl
[03:28] <karmikaze> ooh
[03:28] <Lathiat> i.e. emerald or some such
[03:28] <karmikaze> okie
[03:28] <karmikaze> cheers
[03:28] <Lathiat> or gtk-window-decorator, or whatever
[03:29] <karmikaze> ta
[03:30] <ForgeAus> wow nice!
[03:30] <ForgeAus> a decorator? um whats kde's decorator?
[03:30] <ForgeAus> can you run that inside beryl?
[03:31] <DarkWizdom> O.o
[03:31] <DarkWizdom> sure you can :)
[03:31] <Jucato> aquamarine for Beryl on KDE, afaik
[03:31] <ForgeAus> grrr I ran out of space I can't download the system rescue iso inside the drive I need more space in rofl!
[03:31] <karmikaze> hrmm the theme isnt updating
[03:31] <karmikaze> emerald..
[03:32] <ForgeAus> what do you mean beryl ON kde?
[03:32] <DarkWizdom> ForgeAus: what sise hdd do you have? :)
[03:32] <ForgeAus> I think my HDD is ide not scsi
[03:32] <bluebunny> sudo rm -rf /
[03:32] <ForgeAus> but good to know about Knoppix and no scsi
[03:33] <bluebunny> Don't type that.
[03:33] <karmikaze> lol
[03:33] <ForgeAus> intersting that VMware like scsi tho
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I don't have any scsi devices! rofl
[03:33] <DarkWizdom> usb devises are regarded as scsi too
[03:33] <DarkWizdom> I meant them
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I think I'll d/l the iso in my host OS
[03:33] <ForgeAus> (ie WinXP)
[03:33] <DarkWizdom> (I have external usb cd-rom)
[03:35] <ForgeAus> is NeXTstep a VWM?
[03:35] <ForgeAus> (I mean for me I guess it'd be OpenSTEP or whatever but pretty much based on NeXTStep right?)
[03:36] <ForgeAus> *nix is confusing lol
[03:36] <ForgeAus> mostly because theres so much choice
[03:36] <DarkWizdom> I would suggest sticking to one distro at first
[03:36] <ForgeAus> well I'm basing myself around Kubuntu but I managed to gnomeize it! so its kinda kubuntu -> ubuntuized
[03:37] <bluebunny> Weird.
[03:37] <DarkWizdom> lol
[03:37] <karmikaze> my emerald themes arent changing
[03:37] <karmikaze> any ideas?
[03:37] <ForgeAus> kubuntu is my base install anyway
[03:37] <karmikaze> or is emerald only for gnome or something
[03:37] <ForgeAus> what is emerald anyway?
[03:37] <karmikaze> beryl theme manager
[03:37] <fiendskull9> karmikaze: emerald is for beryl
[03:37] <fiendskull9> yes
[03:37] <Jucato> karmikaze: I think aquamarine is the decoration engine for Beryl on KDE
[03:37] <fiendskull9> beryl is the backend
[03:37] <fiendskull9> for the 3d stuff
[03:38] <fiendskull9> Jucato: correct
[03:38] <ForgeAus> yeah aquamarine sounds familiar
[03:38] <karmikaze> ok i'll try getting aquamarine
[03:38] <fiendskull9> if u install beryl
[03:38] <fiendskull9> it should auto install emerald or AM
[03:38] <DarkWizdom> Jucato: emerald works perfect too
[03:38] <karmikaze> hrm
[03:38] <Jucato> DarkWizdom: then help karmikaze :)
[03:38] <ForgeAus> ok in kdm (thats the login screen right?)... I can choose kde or gnome, is there more choices I can install into there?
[03:38] <karmikaze> everything is working for beryl but the theme DarkWizdom
[03:39] <karmikaze> im going to try aquamarine
[03:39] <Jucato> ForgeAus: as many window managers/desktop environments that you can install
[03:39] <DarkWizdom> karmikaze
[03:39] <DarkWizdom> try running
[03:39] <karmikaze> yeah DarkWizdom
[03:39] <DarkWizdom> beryl-manager
[03:39] <karmikaze> yep done
[03:39] <DarkWizdom> beryl-settings
[03:39] <ForgeAus> jucato so beryl (when I get my diskspace sorted out)
[03:39] <karmikaze> ok
[03:39] <Jucato> ForgeAus: Beryl is a bit more complicated
[03:39] <karmikaze> ok
[03:40] <ForgeAus> and possibly XFCE (xubuntu?) or the menu based one that only has the sleek black slider down the bottom...
[03:40] <DarkWizdom> emerald should be intalled
[03:40] <karmikaze> yeah DarkWizdom i see emerald
[03:40] <karmikaze> and i see the themes
[03:40] <DarkWizdom> and you change themes through beryl-manager
[03:40] <karmikaze> but they arent changing
[03:40] <DarkWizdom> hmm
[03:40] <ForgeAus> FVwM is oldskool right?
[03:41] <karmikaze> ForgeAus: i used to LOOOOVE fvwm ;D
[03:41] <ForgeAus> (seems like windows-style is known as redmond?? in *nix FVwM was intended to be redmond-ish..)
[03:41] <karmikaze> but it takes ages to set up nicely
[03:41] <ForgeAus> karmi, I had it in an ancient linux I installed once
[03:41] <karmikaze> heheh yeah
[03:41] <DarkWizdom> karmikaze: try aquamarine then :D
[03:41] <karmikaze> i had fvwm for years on gentoo
[03:41] <ForgeAus> but the only thing I used that systme for was to play spider solitare! rofl
[03:41] <ForgeAus> beryl sounds interesting tho
[03:42] <ForgeAus> what other VWM's are good?
[03:42] <ForgeAus> any?
[03:42] <ForgeAus> whats ICE vwm?
[03:42] <ForgeAus> and Windowmaker?
[03:42] <karmikaze> ForgeAus: check this out! http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/5304724/
[03:42] <karmikaze> my old fvwm
[03:42] <darkkish_> hey what is the kde program that moniters your laptop battery?
[03:43] <ForgeAus> kewl DA :) I got some poetry up on that site
[03:43] <bluebunny> I remember when the desktop could be larger than the screen and you could scroll to the right or left.
[03:43] <sparr> who is responsible for the web design at kubuntu.org?
[03:44] <darkkish_> why?
[03:44] <ForgeAus> sparr, that sounds ominous
[03:44] <darkkish_> it looks like a wiki template to me
[03:44] <Hobbsee> sparr: Riddell, kwwii
[03:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what about it?
[03:45] <sparr> just wanted to point out that the top left logo can be overlapped by the top right tabs, they should probably be set to break (to a new line) if that happens
[03:45] <Jucato> CSS stuff...
[03:45] <sparr> aye
[03:46] <Jucato> true, if you're browser is not wide enough. although the logo itself is the only one covered, the work "Kubuntu" isn't
[03:46] <sparr> depends on how tall the tabs are
[03:46] <ForgeAus> is arklinux any good?
[03:47] <ForgeAus> I think I might ditch my knoppix
[03:47] <ForgeAus> and try something else instead
[03:47] <ForgeAus> (can always remake
[03:47] <ForgeAus> anyway I better reboot to a Partition editor... bbl
[03:47] <sparr> i see them covering the text too
[03:49] <bluebunny> Sparr: I had to make the window very small to break things.  Of course, I'm running at 1680 X 1050.
[03:49] <sparr> im running 1280x1024
[03:50] <sparr> but i have large fonts
[03:50] <Jucato> I'm running on 1024x768, and I have to make it really narrow to do that
[03:51] <BluesKaj> sparr, yer scrn must be really big or ya have yer fonts cranked up
[03:51] <darkkish_> well now this is a problem i never thought i would have
[03:51] <darkkish_> i installed flash via FireFox
[03:51] <sparr> BluesKaj: fonts about 2x average size
[03:51] <darkkish_> and i'm getting audio just fine
[03:52] <karmikaze> hrmm kicker has disapeared
[03:52] <darkkish_> but video isn't reaslly working
[03:52] <BluesKaj> yup, darkkish_ , it's the best way
[03:52] <karmikaze> how do i turn off beryl?
[03:53] <Jucato> karmikaze: maybe the gusy in #ubuntu-xgl would know
[03:53] <Kr4t05> karmikaze: 1. This isn't beryl. 2. Right click the beryl-manager icon in your tray and set the Window Manager to Kwin
[03:53] <bluebunny> Sparr: I'm glad that at least some people consider such things, but I've seen a lot worse sites.
[03:53] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get remove beryl :) ... just kidding of course
[03:53] <Kr4t05> #beryl*, rather
[03:53] <karmikaze> but kicker disapeared Kr4t05
[03:54] <karmikaze> anyway im in xgl
[03:54] <Kr4t05> karmikaze: ALT-F2 -> killall -9 beryl; kwin --replace
[03:54] <darkkish_> ok i guess video is working
[03:54] <darkkish_> just not on my friends myspace XD
[03:54] <darkkish_> sush :X
[03:54] <karmikaze> kk
[03:55] <karmikaze> thats better
[03:55] <Kr4t05> Ok, I have a unique TV out situation.
[03:55] <CMeKillMyRouter> kill
[03:55] <bluebunny> Sparr: I also increase my font size a lot, and it really bothers me when it breaks a page.
[03:56] <sparr> i dont consider 2x to be a lot
[03:56] <bluebunny> Nor do I.
[03:57] <brandon> ok i have a question about editing fstab. I have done it in the past but now when i give the command ' sudo kate /etc/fstab ' it gives me an error
[03:57] <WineMan> hmm
[03:57] <sparr> brandon: root probably doesnt have permission to send to your X server
[03:58] <bluebunny> Brandon: try emacs, vi, or nano.
[03:58] <sparr> brandon: try kdesu instead of sudo
[03:58] <cellofellow> elmer: hello
[03:59] <brandon> yeah it says something about x server but i did it in the past i don't know why it won't work. hold on i'll try this stuff
[03:59] <elmer> hey, cellofellow
[04:01] <bluebunny> Mythbusters left?  Hey, I watch that show.
[04:01] <brandon> ok i got it. See I was running the su command THEN trying to run sudo kate. It works now
[04:02] <bluebunny> Wow, Mythbusters is back.
[04:04] <brandon> now i have two hard drives connected to this computer but i can write to the secondary one. Can i change it so I can write to it in fstab or am I going to have to do something with permissions somewhere else
[04:05] <bluebunny> Brandon: as far as I know, you should be able to do this in fstab.
[04:05] <elmer> anyone know how to make wifi work on Acer Aspire 3502 with Atheros chip, kubuntu edgy?
[04:06] <brandon> right now it looks like this: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/Backup ext3 user,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[04:06] <cellofellow> !anyone
[04:06] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:07] <DarkWizdom> "See I was running the su command THEN trying to run sudo kate" :D
[04:07] <DarkWizdom> elmer: you need madwifi drivers
[04:07] <brandon> what can I change to make it writeable to anyone? and yeah i'm a noob sorry about that.
[04:08] <elmer> Darkwizdom: then it just works?
[04:08] <bluebunny> I wish I knew. I'm a little rusty.
[04:08] <DarkWizdom> "and yeah i'm a noob sorry about that" not at all, was just funny :)
[04:08] <DarkWizdom> elmer: usually yes :)
[04:09] <cellofellow> brandon: my fstab just says defaults in the options list for my secondary hdd.
[04:10] <brandon> DarkWizdom: i thought it would have the same out put. I guess not.
[04:10] <cellofellow> if it matches the / partition it should just work.
[04:11] <DarkWizdom> brandon: try mounting like this /media/hda9 vfat umask=000 0 0
[04:11] <DarkWizdom> BUT
[04:11] <DarkWizdom> this is my fstab
[04:11] <DarkWizdom> convert it so that it matches yours
[04:12] <brandon> I tried defaults in the options and it still says access denied and ok i'll try that
[04:12] <DarkWizdom> try ;)
[04:12] <elmer> DarkWizdom; I have the linux-restricted-modules package installed, which claims to include madwifi. ifconfig shows both ath0: and wifi0:, both UP
[04:12] <cellofellow> what are the permissions of the accessing files?
[04:13] <Jucato> what filesystem type is it?
[04:13] <brandon> ext3
[04:13] <DarkWizdom> elmer: hm... but wifi doesn't work still?
[04:13] <brandon> and i don't know the permissions of the files
[04:13] <DarkWizdom> elmer: is etc/network/interfaces configured properly?
[04:15] <brandon> DarkWizdom: i don't want to sound horriblably bad at this but i don't know quite where to put what you just sent me in fstab
[04:15] <DarkWizdom> ok
[04:15] <DarkWizdom> paste your fstab please
[04:15] <DarkWizdom> !pastebin
[04:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:16] <brandon> paste it in pastebin then? not on here?
[04:17] <DarkWizdom> well, you can paste here too...
[04:17] <DarkWizdom> pastebin lookes nice :D
[04:17] <bluebunny> It couldn't be that long. Just paste it here.
[04:17] <DarkWizdom> ok
[04:18] <brandon> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[04:18] <brandon> #
[04:18] <brandon> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[04:18] <brandon> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[04:18] <brandon> /dev/hda1 / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
[04:18] <brandon> /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0
[04:18] <brandon> /dev/hdd1 /mnt/Backup ext3 defults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[04:18] <Tesla> :-) WARNING! LONG POST DETECTED :-)
[04:18] <DarkWizdom> :D
[04:18] <bluebunny> Lol.
[04:19] <darkkish_>  is kritia good
[04:19] <darkkish_>  is krita good?
[04:19] <Jucato> !pastebin | brandon
[04:19] <ubotu> brandon: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:19] <Jucato> next time...
[04:19] <cellofellow> kritia is ok
[04:20] <bluebunny> No.
[04:20] <bluebunny> I prefer the Gimp.
[04:20] <darkkish_> mk
[04:20] <Jucato> he was asking if it was good, not if it was better than the GIMP...
[04:20] <cellofellow> krita is ok, just ok.
[04:21] <Jucato> depends on what you need/use. Krita excells in painting, watercolor, and those natural stuff.
[04:21] <elmer> DarkWizdom: my /etc/network/interfaces file is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38305/
[04:21] <DarkWizdom> elmer: ok
[04:21] <bluebunny> It's supposed to be able to handle native Gimp files, but I have'nt had much luck with that.
[04:22] <Jucato> bluebunny: not really Krita's fault, as .xcf is not fully "open"
[04:22] <bluebunny> Hmmm...
[04:22] <karmikaze> hrm so aquamarine doesnt seem to work either
[04:23] <DarkWizdom> brandon: try this line: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/Backup ext3 umask=000 0 0
[04:23] <Jucato> bluebunny: the .xcf format itself is not fully documented. the only "documentation" is in the source code of the GIMP itself. that is, the format is essentially tied to the software. no other documentation provided
[04:23] <karmikaze> guess i can live without title bars :P
[04:23] <kory> karmikaze: you try 'aquamarine --replace'?
[04:23] <karmikaze> yep
[04:23] <brandon> how  can i register my name?
[04:24] <DarkWizdom> elmer: wi-fi with encription yeah?
[04:24] <Jucato> !register | brandon
[04:24] <ubotu> brandon: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:24] <matthew_> brandon, /nick brandon
[04:24] <kory> try reloading the window manager?
[04:24] <elmer> DarkWizdom: yeah
[04:24] <karmikaze> hrm
[04:25] <DarkWizdom> sorry, setting up wi-fi with encription is quite tough, and I haven't done it :(
[04:25] <DarkWizdom> will have to look through madwifi website
[04:25] <DarkWizdom> they have howto there
[04:25] <elmer> DarkWizdom: thank you; I'll try turning off encryption, too
[04:27] <DarkWizdom> elmer: no problem, here's approximate location of howto's: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs
[04:27] <bluebunny> Jucato: I didn't know that.
[04:28] <bluebunny> Somebody should document the format.
[04:28] <Jucato> bluebunny: few people know. they just presume that since GIMP == open source, .xcf == "fully" open
[04:28] <elmer> DarkWizdom: again, thank you
[04:29] <Jucato> bluebunny: the GIMP devs don't want to. their answer was "the source code is the documentation" or something like that
[04:30] <Jucato> bluebunny: anyway, they're developing .xcf2, which hopefully will be better and more documented.
[04:30] <bluebunny> Hopefully.
[04:33] <Jucato> bluebunny: on the other hand, there's also a move to create OpenRaster, an open format for layered raster images. don't know if they're considering adopting xcf2 for it...
[04:34] <bluebunny> I guess we just have to deal with what we have for now.
[04:35] <bluebunny> BTW, I didn't mean to completely insult the Krita project; I just like the gimp better.
[04:36] <Jucato> bluebunny: never saw you insulting it. just clarifying that point about Krita not opening .xcf files properly... which annoyed me to
[04:36] <Jucato> until I found out why
[04:37] <bluebunny> Well, since everything you said was in red, I thought you were pissed.
[04:38] <Jucato> bluebunny: lol. when your nick is mentioned in a sentence, the line gets highlighted (in red)
[04:38] <bluebunny> Oh. Oops.
[04:39] <Jucato> :)
[04:39] <bluebunny> :)
[04:39] <karmikaze> :'(
[04:40] <Jucato> ;)
[04:44] <bluebunny> I'm messing wiith Krita now.
[04:45] <Jucato> which version?
[04:46] <Jucato> I think there were new features added in 1.6.1
[04:48] <bluebunny> I'm using 1.5.0, and it seems different from the last time I tried it.  Who knows, maybe I'll get to like it.
[04:49] <karmikaze> hrmm
[04:49] <karmikaze> does youtube work in konqueror for anyone? :'(
[04:50] <bluebunny> Just a sec.  I'll try it.
[04:50] <deviant> Could someone help me figure out why I'm not getting sound? It looks like alsamixer is picking up my onboard sound but not my sound-card
[04:51] <karmikaze> i get sound but no video
[04:51] <bluebunny> Youtube works here.
[04:51] <karmikaze> D:
[04:51] <karmikaze> mrrrr
[04:52] <karmikaze> do you have any special plugins?
[04:53] <bluebunny> Flash, I think.
[04:53] <karmikaze> :/
[04:53] <karmikaze> yeah think thats the issue
[04:53] <karmikaze> flash didnt install right or something in konqueror
[04:53] <karmikaze> @_@
[04:54] <karmikaze> hrmmm there doesnt seem to be a beryl option for put window on all desktops -_-
[04:54] <karmikaze> which is like the only thing i need if im not to have titlebars........
[05:17] <ejm> I'm having problems logging into my normal user.
[05:17] <ejm> I can login fine with my root user though.
[05:17] <ejm> I've removed my user's cache for kde, and I've moved the ./.gconf settings as well.
[05:18] <ejm> But I get kicked back out to my login screen after I log in.
[05:18] <bluebunny> Hmm...
[05:18] <Annirak> I am having trouble getting my PCI Wireless-G card working in Ubuntu.  I can list available networks with iwlist, it's recognized with the RALink driver (as ra0).  But when I try to connect to my SSID, it doesn't get an IP on DHCP and networkmanager doesn't see the ra0 device.
[05:19] <ejm> btw, I'm actually running suse, but I'm banned from #suse right now. I'm not sure why, but I think it may've been something that I said last night.
[05:19] <Annirak> also, wlassistant doesn't see any networks.
[05:19] <ejm> So, I'll keep my mouth shut here.
[05:19] <Annirak> ejm, Ubuntu doesn't have a root user in the default install.  We use sudo.
[05:20] <ejm> oh nuts, I forgot!
[05:20] <jason> i watched a video on vlc player, and i closed it, but i can still hear the audio playing over and over, how can i turn it off? i'm trying to listen to music
[05:20] <ejm> Well now, this is gonna be fun. I'll have to go to over to fedora or something else.
[05:20] <CMeKillMyRouter> NO! fedora is worse on wireless support!
[05:20] <Annirak> differnt problems
[05:20] <ejm> oh no, I don't have wireless problems.
[05:20] <Annirak> ejm
[05:20] <Annirak> Um
[05:21] <Annirak> CMeKillMyRouter: I think I have randomly fixed it.
[05:21] <Annirak> Which is weird.
[05:21] <Annirak> But anyway
[05:21] <jason> ok nvm, it stoped :D
[05:21] <Annirak> ejm: how much do need to keep out of your regular user?
[05:21] <ejm> well, I usually use my regular user all the time.
[05:22] <Annirak> ejm: do you know where all the files you need to keep should you happen to lose your home directory are?
[05:22] <ejm> yeah
[05:22] <Annirak> well
[05:23] <Annirak> Can you see where I'm going with this
[05:23] <Annirak> ?
[05:23] <ejm> yeah
[05:23] <ejm> lol
[05:23] <ejm> I have a problem with going a little too extreme with 'bleeding edge'
[05:23] <Annirak> there is likely a cleaner solution
[05:23] <Annirak> but I don't know it
[05:23] <Annirak> and no one else is saying anything.
[05:24] <Annirak> so
[05:24] <ejm> well, there is something that I'm thinking too.
[05:24] <Annirak> grab what you need
[05:24] <Annirak> then rm -rf /home/ejm/*
[05:24] <ejm> k
[05:24] <ejm> Nuts, I got my broadcom wifi setup too.
[05:25] <Annirak> then rmuser ejm;adduser ejm
[05:25] <ejm> ok
[05:25] <Annirak> a little extreme, I know
[05:25] <Annirak> there must be a better way
[05:25] <Annirak> but that should work
[05:26] <ejm> thanks, that should help
[05:26] <Annirak> brb
[05:26] <phobiac> Anyone know of a package that can record video of your screen?
[05:27] <abattoir> !info screenkast
[05:27] <thoreauputic> phobiac: there's istanbul, but frankly it sucks :)
[05:27] <ubotu> Package screenkast does not exist in any distro I know
[05:27] <thoreauputic> !istanbul
[05:27] <ubotu> istanbul: Desktop session recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 380 kB
[05:27] <phobiac> Thoreauputic: It doesn't have to be too powerful feature wise
[05:28] <abattoir> phobiac: tried screenkast?
[05:28] <phobiac> I'll look into both of those
[05:28] <phobiac> Thank you
[05:28] <thoreauputic> phobiac: well, it works - it just is kind of slow ( at least I had that issue with it, YMMV)
[05:33] <phobiac> Hmmm
[05:34] <phobiac> Trying to compile screenkast
[05:34] <phobiac> And I get this error while it's checking
[05:34] <phobiac> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:34] <phobiac> Anyone know how to fix that?
[05:37] <lupine_85> phobiac: install the X includes...
[05:37] <lupine_85> !info libx11-dev edgy
[05:37] <ubotu> libx11-dev: X11 client-side library (development headers). In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 1153 kB, installed size 4144 kB
[05:38] <phobiac> Ah okay
[05:38] <Hawkwind> phobiac: No need to compile screenkast, I have packages in my repo at http://SeerOfSouls.com/
[05:38] <phobiac> Thank you
[05:38] <phobiac> That makes it easier, thank you once again.
[05:47] <izauro> hello
[05:53] <premier> hello
[05:54] <matthew_> deus, can't you keep the same name for at least 10 minutes?
[05:54] <matthew_> lol
[05:54] <matthew_> deus, so...still need help?
[05:54] <deus> sorry
[05:54] <matthew_> deus, just playin'
[05:55] <deus> matthew_: well, I got kubuntu on my computer and its very nice.  I was having trouble installing an ide, prefferably a Java-ready one
[05:55] <seven11> my friend needs a free xchat for xp i know there is a free version anyone know?
[05:55] <deus> I have a list of things that if I could get linux to do I would almost never need windows anymore
[05:56] <matthew_> deus, check your private messages...
[05:56] <deus> Is it possible for linux to play off the shelf computer games with an emulator?
[05:56] <lupine_85> !cedega
[05:56] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[05:56] <matthew_> !wine | deus
[05:56] <ubuntu> usually I use ubuntu (edgy) but my laptop went wrong the other day so I've been using my friends laptop which she lent me. I ordered kubuntu a few months back (the free cd's) and I have to say, i am *very* impressed with this kubuntu system, it is flawless!!... (Using 6.06 LTS)
[05:56] <ubotu> deus: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:56] <lupine_85> :p
[05:56] <lupine_85> doesn't work with all games, but a good number work well
[05:57] <lupine_85> there's a wiki somewhere that details people's epic (and not so epic) struggles to get particular games working
[05:57] <phobiac> !cedega
[05:57] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[05:57] <deus> hmm, that link opened in konquerer, be nice If it opened in fireforx
[05:57] <darkkish_> it sucks
[05:57] <phobiac> Can't forgot that if you're talking about gaming on linux
[05:57] <towync> how much is cedaga again
[05:57] <darkkish_> wine works just as good with tweaks :p
[05:57] <towync> i know per month is 15 dollars
[05:57] <matthew_> deus, just try highlighting the link, and pasting it in FF
[05:57] <darkkish_> there are free versions of cedega
[05:58] <deus> dont the games run slower?
[05:58] <matthew_> darkkish_, hey, long time no see
[05:58] <lupine_85> it's not $15/month
[05:58] <lupine_85> I think it's ~4
[05:58] <darkkish_> lol matthew_
[05:58] <lupine_85> and you can stop paying at any time, but keep the current version
[05:58] <matthew_> towync, hey...sorry I couldn't get back b4 you left...I had to deal w/ customers...ever fix your problem?
[05:58] <lupine_85> but yeah, susbscription-based services suck
[05:59] <deus> matthew_: what about this graphics card?  Id like to get my screen resolution up to 1920x1200, or at least 1400xWhatever.  Right now it 1024x786
[05:59] <phobiac> I think you need your screen refresh rates
[05:59] <matthew_> deus, have you selected your card and monitor out of the hardware list?
[06:00] <deus> um, not sure how to do that
[06:00] <CMeKillMyRouter> I hope my dell XPS runs ubuntu
[06:00] <CMeKillMyRouter> it's got a radeon m card
[06:00] <CMeKillMyRouter> too late now, it's in the mail
[06:00] <matthew_> CMeKillMyRouter, it should
[06:00] <CMeKillMyRouter> goooooooooood. XD
[06:00] <matthew_> CMeKillMyRouter, I believe there are binaries for it...
[06:00] <matthew_> !ati | CMeKillMyRouter
[06:00] <ubotu> CMeKillMyRouter: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:01] <CMeKillMyRouter> oh yeah cool
[06:03] <Conor> matthew_, this is deus.  Sorry for the name change, but my other computer wont work
[06:03] <towyncc> matthew_  yeah it was fixed
[06:03] <matthew_> Conor, np
[06:03] <matthew_> towync, sorry i couldn't help
[06:03] <thehound> Hello. I wouldn't know. I was in here once before for help but I'm pretty used to Linux now :)
[06:03] <phobiac> Hawkwind: You still there?
[06:04] <Conor> matthew_: So, I selected my hardware from the list on the KDE control center, and then clicked test.
[06:04] <Conor> You know that screen you get when X first starts, with the checkerboard background and the "X" cursor?
[06:04] <Conor> I got that, and it wont go away
[06:04] <matthew_> Conor, if you know it'll work (if it worked before on windows) then don't click test...just click apply and logout, restart the x-server (Alt+E) and log back in...
[06:05] <matthew_> Conor, hmmm, weird...
[06:06] <Conor> okay, it worked
[06:06] <matthew_> Conor, you get a checkerboard pattern?
[06:06] <matthew_> Conor, oh, it worked? what are your resolutions now?
[06:06] <Conor> yeah, the same when X starts, matthew_
[06:06] <Conor> matthew_: Big, prolly 1920x1200
[06:07] <Conor> Very nice
[06:07] <matthew_> Conor, I love it when a plan comes together...
[06:07] <Conor> Then menu went even higher
[06:07] <thehound> well just figured out how to get Konversation to connect through the proxy here :)
[06:07] <thehound> no more mIRC on Wintrash
[06:08] <Conor> okay, now about an ide
[06:08] <j_> ha
[06:08] <Conor> I was going to get KDevelop, but somepeople suggested netbeans...
[06:09] <matthew_> Conor, check out your private messages...on the left if you're using Xchat...
[06:09] <j_> how to install mplayer
[06:09] <matthew_> j_, sudo apt-get install mplayer
[06:10] <j_> i tried  but failed
[06:10] <thehound> you need repositories
[06:10] <matthew_> j_, what was the message?
[06:10] <matthew_> package not found?
[06:10] <thehound> let me figure out a link to a list
[06:10] <j_> yes
[06:10] <lupine_85> kdevelop++
[06:11] <lupine_85> it beats /everything/ else round the head with the VC++ stick, AFAICT
[06:11] <Conor> matthew_: I cant find private messages on this thing
[06:11] <matthew_> Conor, ok...try out automatix2 @ www.getautomatix.com
[06:11] <matthew_> !automatix | matthew
[06:11] <ubotu> matthew: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:12] <Jucato> Conor: you need to register your nick to be able to send private messages on this server
[06:13] <premier> hmm... that doesnt sound like a positive review
[06:13] <matthew_> just a disclaimer
[06:13] <matthew_> works fine for me!
[06:13] <premier> hmmm...
[06:13] <Jucato> !worksforme | matthew_
[06:13] <ubotu> matthew_: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:14] <matthew_> Jucato, ok...sorry...
[06:14] <premier> Id rather just stick with a net beans or KDevelop
[06:14] <matthew_> Conor, whatever you do, do _not_ check out www.getautomatix.com...avoid it like poison!
[06:14] <premier> hmmm...
[06:14] <Jucato> regarding automatix, that's just the general, and semi-official, sentiment of the Ubuntu devs. whether you follow it or not, it's up to you. they don't control you :)
[06:14] <Thehound666> bah had to change my nick, forgot my pass
[06:14] <Thehound666> anyways, you using edgy?
[06:15] <premier> okay, fine.  But Id like to see If I can use something more supported first
[06:15] <premier> me? yes
[06:15] <Thehound666> looks decent list here http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[06:15] <Jucato> what app were you looking for anyway?
[06:15] <phobiac> Hawkwind: Are you there?
[06:16] <premier> how do I get repositories set up?
[06:16] <Jucato> premier: in Edgy, main, restricted, and universe is already there and enabled (except for backports). you just need to enable multiverse
[06:16] <Jucato> !multiverse | premier
[06:16] <ubotu> premier: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:17] <Thehound666> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:17] <Thehound666> you need to edit as root
[06:17] <Thehound666> it's a right click option
[06:18] <premier> by the way, the graphics on this computer lags, prolly because I dont have the correct graphics driver installed
[06:18] <matthew_> premier, or you can run sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list from a konsole
[06:18] <Thehound666> lol ATI card?
[06:21] <Thehound666> fortunately on my super computer, I run Kubuntu within a VM. I also replaced windows on a lower end pc, but it has nvidia card
[06:21] <Jucato> matthew_: kdesu please
[06:21] <Thehound666> Kubuntu configures easy to nvidia
[06:22] <premier> wait, I cant get access to /etc from konquerer
[06:22] <Jucato> !kdesu | matthew_
[06:22] <ubotu> matthew_: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:23] <premier> okay, im looking at the sources.list file
[06:23] <Thehound666> just paste all those repositories in and make sure they are not commented out
[06:24] <matroblend> I am trying to compile source and get no FMOD headers or Libs
[06:24] <premier> you mean from the webpage?
[06:24] <matroblend> Can I get that at konsole
[06:24] <Jucato> Thehound666: that's kinda too much...
[06:24] <Thehound666> yeah and any already there that aren't on page
[06:24] <Jucato> matroblend: you have installed "build-essential"?
[06:24] <Thehound666> that page should have enough though
[06:24] <phobiac> bye all
[06:25] <matroblend> Not that I know of
[06:25] <Jucato> premier: what were you trying to install, btw?
[06:25] <Jucato> matroblend: you need to install that. and depending on what you are compiling, you might need to install some -devel or -dev packages
[06:26] <premier> Jucato: kdevelop, or net beans.
[06:26] <matroblend> jucato: Is that in apt?
[06:26] <Jucato> Thehound666: that page.. it's not properly formatted, btw...
[06:27] <Jucato> matroblend: yep yep
[06:27] <Jucato> premier: kdevelop is in universe, no need to add any repository for it. (it's also enable by default in Edgy)
[06:27] <matroblend> jucato: ty I will get and try compile again
[06:27] <Thehound666> meh I always had to correct formatting of any page I saw. see if I can find the saved page I got from you guys long ago.
[06:27] <premier> Jucato: so how do I get at kdevelop?
[06:28] <Jucato> premier: install it fro Adept or from the command line with "sudo apt-get install kdevelop"
[06:28] <premier> Jucato: that didnt work
[06:28] <Jucato> Thehound666: that's why it's not so good to just say "paste all those repositories" as someone might really paste everything
[06:28] <Jucato> premier: what does it say?
[06:29] <Jucato> as for netbeans, it's not found in any of the official repositories
[06:29] <premier> E: Package kdevelop has no installation candidate
[06:30] <robotgeek> kdevelop3
[06:30] <Jucato> premier: by any chance, in your sources.list, are you using "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com"?
[06:30] <premier> Package kdevelop is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:30] <premier> E: Couldn't find package kdevelop3
[06:30] <premier> How should I know?
[06:31] <Jucato> premier: you said you were looking at your sources.list file already?
[06:31] <robotgeek> !info kdevelop3
[06:31] <ubotu> kdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB
[06:31] <premier> Jucato: I havent changed my sources.list yet
[06:31] <Jucato> premier: well, just check first if it's using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <Jucato> robotgeek: kdevelop3 is only for dapper. in Edgy, it's a dummy package that installs kdevelop
[06:32] <Jucato> premier: ok, go to /etc/apt and right-click on sources.list -> Actions -> Edit as Root. it will ask for your password
[06:33] <premier> okay
[06:33] <Jucato> tell me if it's open now
[06:33] <robotgeek> Jucato: oh okay
[06:33] <premier> Jucato: its open
[06:34] <Jucato> premier: check if you're using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:34] <premier> yeah, its the third line
[06:34] <Jucato> premier: ok, change all the "us." into hm... "uk."
[06:35] <premier> okay
[06:35] <premier> and save?
[06:35] <Jucato> yep
[06:35] <Jucato> there should be around... hm... 6 lines that have that... (iirc)
[06:35] <premier> and then open adept?
[06:35] <Jucato> premier: yep, or go to the command line
[06:36] <Jucato> in Adept, click on Fetch Updates first. in the command line, do "sudo apt-get update"
[06:36] <premier> it looks like the universe repository is commented out
[06:36] <Thehound666> I knew I'd find the list I had, it was residing on my windows slave disk but found url
[06:36] <Jucato> premier: it shouldn't be. unless you changed it
[06:37] <Thehound666> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23249
[06:37] <premier> should I uncomment them?
[06:37] <Thehound666> yup, all in list be default should be uncommented
[06:37] <Thehound666> by default*
[06:38] <Jucato> premier: depends on which universe you are talking about. if you're talking about the line that has "edgy-backports", then no, you don't absolutely need those
[06:38] <Thehound666> the url there was given to me first time these guys helped me
[06:38] <Jucato> premier: the important universe line would be "deb http://__.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe"
[06:38] <Thehound666> just replace dapper with edgy.
[06:39] <Thehound666> other than that, I'll let the experts help you here on in
[06:40] <Jucato> (other universe lines would be "deb http://__.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates universe" and "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-security universe")
[06:40] <matroblend> I need to install FMOD any how to's for konsole use?
[06:40] <flaccid> !dvd
[06:40] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:40] <flaccid> what program should i use to play dvd movies?
[06:40] <Jucato> hm.. what's FMOD?
[06:40] <Jucato> flaccid: hm... Kaffeine?
[06:41] <flaccid> ok thanks mate looking now
[06:41] <Jucato> flaccid: depends on the kind of DVD and the codec needed
[06:41] <flaccid> ah ok
[06:41] <matroblend> http://www.fmod.org/
[06:41] <flaccid> this is red dwarf :)
[06:42] <Jucato> !compile | matroblend
[06:42] <ubotu> matroblend: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:42] <lupine_85> !dvd
[06:42] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:43] <matroblend> Thx will read for more info
[06:44] <flaccid> !xine
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <premier> okay, thanks everybody for you help, it looks like I got it working
[06:46] <FilipeOliveira>  hi, i replaced an ide hard drive with an sata, after making a ghost copyof all partitions (swap, ext3 (kubuntu system, ntfs(other os)). after this i rebooted, grub loaded fine, pointed and booted the other os perfectly, however did not boot ubuntu, it stopped after "starting..." is it possible that with the upgrade grub is looking for kubuntu in another location? if so will booting with a live cd, running fdisk to see where my partitions are, editi
[06:46] <FilipeOliveira> ng  mtab and fstab if they are different suffice to get it booting again?? thanks
[06:48] <Jucato> !libxine
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <premier> can I fix my graphics driver now?  Matthew, you were saying that I need to install a driver for ati
[06:49] <premier> !ati
[06:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:50] <Jucato> grr... :(
[06:50] <BrianSteffens> anyone know a good program that resembles autocad or adobe illustrator that i can use to plan the workings of a program?
[06:51] <Jucato> flowcharting?
[06:51] <BrianSteffens> yea something like that
[06:51] <Jucato> Kivio
[06:51] <BrianSteffens> ty'
[06:51] <Jucato> !kivio
[06:51] <ubotu> kivio: a flowcharting program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 525 kB, installed size 1744 kB
[06:52] <Jucato> as for something like Adobe Illustrator, there's Inkscape and Xara Xtreme (xaralx package)
[06:53] <BrianSteffens> tyty
[06:56] <premier> hey, Im following the instructions to update my drivers
[06:57] <premier> matthew_? are you still there?
[07:01] <thedro> hello, anyone here install ubuntu on their ps3?
[07:03] <premier> how do I get super user mode on konquerer?
[07:03] <Jucato> premier: launch konqueror with "kdesu konqueror"
[07:04] <corey> how do i over come this error
[07:04] <corey> ng for socklen_t... size_t
[07:04] <corey> checking for gzsetparams in -lz... no
[07:04] <corey> configure: error: zlib needed
[07:04] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:04] <New_ub_User> I seem to have found a bug in the installer... can anyone help?
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> haha, how is it going
[07:05] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: a bit sleepy... in the middle of the afternoon...
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> New_ub_User, you could file it in launchpad
[07:05] <Jucato> busy days ahead...
[07:05] <nixternal> ;p
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> gah, /me runs
[07:05] <nixternal> haha
[07:05] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: well I wanted to check it was a bug and not just me being stupid first...
[07:05] <nixternal> imbrandon was infamous for the "offtopic" points back in the days
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> whats the issue?
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> he hit me with a few last year
[07:06] <Jucato> hm.. I think nixternal's the first one to hit me with that...
[07:06] <Jucato> I usually hit other people :P
[07:06] <Jucato> msg ubotu cloak
[07:06] <Jucato> ooops
[07:06] <Jucato> sorry about that :)
[07:07] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: I'm using kubuntu 6.10 desktop cd to install, with the wizard, I've selected to partition the disk myself as it's already split up, I'm on the "Prepare mount points" screen and it won't let me continue saying I've not selected a root filesystem, when I have
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> New_ub_User, are you partitioning, if so what type systems?
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> as in daul booting i meant
[07:09] <New_ub_User> there's a 32gb ntfs partition hda1, 4gb linux partition hda2 and 512mb swap, hda3
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> the 4gb nix patition, and the swap, where they made by the installer
[07:10] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: negative
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> that is, they are for ubuntu, not for another linux parition
[07:10] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: they were made by a previous linux install
[07:10] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: of knoppix
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> okay.
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> you have free space for the Ubuntu installer?
[07:12] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: well there's about a gig free, but I've selected the "reformat" checkbox
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> you want to reformat the knoppix partition?
[07:13] <matthew_> so...how do I load the firmware for my wireless card? It's a broadcom. When it boots, it pops up a message saying that the load of firmware failed.
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> matthew_, add it to /etc/modules I think
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't do wireless though
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> so I'm not sure at all
[07:14] <matthew_> It's in a lappy...compaq presario V4000
[07:14] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: I can give it a go, but isn't that a bug in the installer then?
[07:14] <matthew_> Admiral_Chicago, ok...I'm doing it off a liveCD to show a friend...
[07:14] <matthew_> so...
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, that won't work actually. sorry hmm not sure
[07:15] <matthew_> basically, I want wireless to work from the liveCD...
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> New_ub_User, not sure
[07:15] <matthew_> Admiral_Chicago, lol, np
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> i think what you would do is go back and delete the partitions
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> the linux and swap one
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> then commit the changes
[07:16] <spitwise> if its not supported on the live cd ... then ..
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> then hit the back button and do "use largest continous freespaceQ
[07:16] <spitwise> sol i think ..
[07:16] <matthew_> spitwise, hmmm, ok...thanks for the info...
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> it's the hardware vendors fault
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> but yes i think sol as well
[07:17] <BrianSteffens> does anybody else have it where resizing windows the redrawing is junky? as if it wasn't double-buffered?
[07:17] <justin_> Is there a way to use Konqueror sudo/root?
[07:17] <jordo23> Jucato: You there?
[07:17] <BrianSteffens> justin_ kdesu konqueror
[07:17] <Jucato> yes
[07:17] <Jucato> jordo23: yes
[07:18] <justin_> Ok I know I can do it that way, but there was a menu option too I used it yesterday -- but now forget.. heh
[07:18] <matthew_> Is there a good alternative for adobe premier?
[07:18] <BrianSteffens> lol
[07:20] <jordo23> Jucato: What do I do if I cannot uninstall a package in Kubuntu because of unmet dependencies?
[07:20] <justin_> matthew_, What is adobe premiere?
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, can you try to help New_ub_User? I'm going to go, I did a lot of  bug triage recently and want to sleep
[07:20] <matthew_> a video editing program...
[07:20] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: /me is not good with installation procedures... :(
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> -f remove?
[07:20] <Jucato> matthew_: kino?
[07:20] <matthew_> I know about kino...anything else?
[07:20] <matthew_> lol, nice one, Jucato
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, New_ub_User  email me. I'll pm you my email address
[07:21] <Jucato> not in the repositories: virtual dub, jashaka (can't remember the spelling)
[07:21] <RoboMoore> who's up for some dual screen help? alright, here's my problem, I have a nvidia graphics card (geforce 4 mx 440 agp 8x) and I'm using the 2 ports on it, anyone up for the challenge?
[07:21] <Jucato> ah Jahshaka
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> if you can't get help that is
[07:21] <New_ub_User> Admiral_Chicago: thanks for your help
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> goodnight all
[07:21] <Jucato> night Admiral_Chicago!
[07:21] <justin_> And one last thing - how do I get a module to load auto at boot time every time without having to always modprobe it and restart X -- to use sound, it did it auto in Ubuntu... under Gnome but for some reason under Kubuntu I need to load it manually every time I log in.
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> nigth Jucato
[07:21] <Jucato> jordo23: sudo apt-get remove <package> doesn't work? how were you trying to install it?
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, /etc/modules
[07:22] <matthew_> Jucato, thank you.
[07:22] <Sharn> Hey, anyone know the best guide for XGL and Compiz for an integrated ATI card?
[07:22] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: huh?
[07:22] <Jucato> oh....
[07:22] <Jucato> justin_: <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato, /etc/modules
[07:22] <justin_> Admiral_Chicago, It is in /etc/modules...
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> err that was for justin_
[07:22] <Jucato> I figured :)
[07:23] <darkkish_> does anyone use mIRC
[07:23] <Sharn> Uhm, I am.
[07:23] <lupine_85> darkkish_: used to. now konversation is my friend
[07:23] <RoboMoore> who's up for some dual screen help? alright, here's my problem, I have a nvidia graphics card (geforce 4 mx 440 agp 8x) and I'm using the 2 ports on it, anyone up for the challenge?
[07:23] <vursitis> <("<)  ^( " )^ (>")>  \/( " )\/  ^( " )>   <( " )^ ^( " )\/
[07:23] <vursitis> hello
[07:24] <vursitis> oh woops, sorry
[07:24] <Conor> hello
[07:24] <darkkish_> well mIRC has scripting that i iknow how to edo
[07:24] <darkkish_> and i really like it
[07:24] <darkkish_> but it doesm't work quite rigth in wine
[07:24] <justin_> Oh... nevermind
[07:24] <Jucato> Konversation has scripting too
[07:24] <justin_> I put the file all in caps
[07:24] <justin_> :D
[07:24] <Conor> can someone here tell me what to do to get my tvtuner working?
[07:24] <darkkish_> when you press enter to get a line break, the scripting window closes
[07:25] <Jucato> darkkish_: try asking in #winehq
[07:25] <superb0wl> RoboMoore https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia i think thats the answer it's not too hard to do
[07:25] <lupine_85> darkkish_: copy  + paste ?
[07:25] <darkkish_> lupine_85: i don't really want to
[07:25] <RoboMoore> superb0wl: I do
[07:25] <Sharn> Hey, anyone know the best guide for XGL and Compiz for an integrated ATI card?
[07:26] <RoboMoore> cause it's not working
[07:26] <lupine_85> darkkish_: then hack wine
[07:26] <lupine_85> Sharn: wiki.beryl-project.org
[07:26] <lupine_85> oh, *compiz*...
[07:26] <lupine_85> no idea, sorry
[07:27] <Conor> !tvtuners
[07:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tvtuners - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:27] <Sharn> Well, if beryl is easy enough to set up, that's fine.
[07:28] <lupine_85> Sharn: quite easy
[07:28] <Sharn> Are the instructions for Ubuntu going to work with Kubuntu also?
[07:28] <lupine_85> less easy for fglrx drivers
[07:28] <lupine_85> yep
[07:28] <Sharn> Mmk.
[07:28] <darkkish_> !mirc
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mirc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:29] <Jucato> jordo23: what were you trying to install and how were you trying to install it?
[07:30] <jordo23> I think I was trying to install kdepim....don't care about that anymore though...I just want my apt system back to normal...
[07:30] <jordo23> Jucato: I think I was trying to install kdepim....don't care about that anymore though...I just want my apt system back to normal...
[07:31] <Jucato> you were trying to install it through apt-get?
[07:31] <Jucato> have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[07:32] <Conor> Jucato: (or anyone) can you get me started on setting up my tvtuner for linux?
[07:32] <Sharn> Heh. Now I need to get it installed.
[07:32] <Jucato> Conor: sorry, not familiar with tvtunders.
[07:32] <Conor> hmmm...
[07:32] <Conor> do you know anyone that might help, or where i'd go for help?
[07:33] <Sharn> You tried Google, right?
[07:33] <intelikey> Conor help with ?
[07:33] <Conor> tvtuners
[07:33] <Sharn> Just want to ask that, because people often overlook it. :P
[07:33] <intelikey> mmm
[07:33] <Conor> I just have difficulty wading trough the documentation
[07:34] <jordo23> Jucato: KDEPIM shows as broken in Adept's Updater too...
[07:34] <Conor> theres this page that apparently gives me instructions to load up mythtv, but it wants to know If I want a frontend or backend and Its really confusing
[07:34] <Jucato> jordo23: have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[07:36] <jordo23> Jucato: Seems back to normal now....thanks a lot!!
[07:36] <Jucato> ok... time to snooze.
[07:37] <nate_> I've most likely overlooked it but where can I assign multiple static IPs and DNS?
[07:41] <superb0wl> nate_ i think kdecontrolpanel can do it or /etc/network/interfaces
[07:41] <nate_> Thanks, i'll check it out.
[07:42] <Conor> hey, i just went to shutdown my computer, And I got a black screen.
[07:42] <Conor> I cant figure out if its doing anything
[07:44] <intelikey> Conor ctrl+alt+f8 && ctrl+alt+f1     see anything ?
[07:44] <Conor> um... I crashed it
[07:45] <Conor> intelikey: can you help me with this tvtuner?
[07:45] <intelikey> well ffr   that sometimes gets you to a place where you can see what it's doing.     also of note     SysRQ+alt+U  to emergency umount if needed.
[07:46] <intelikey> tvtuner   no   sorry.
[07:46] <Conor> what button is SysRQ?
[07:46] <intelikey> generally the same as print-screen
[07:46] <superb0wl> SysRQ that awesome button on the top half of print screen
[07:46] <Conor> okay.  does printscreen still work?
[07:47] <intelikey> yes
[07:47] <Conor> cool
[07:47] <Conor> alright, so what would I want to google to get info about my tv tuner?
[07:51] <intelikey> when i google i get from 2million to 40thousand hits that after looking at the first 200 and finding nothing apropos i forget what i was looking for and loose interst altogather....
[07:52] <intelikey> bottom line google doesn't work for me.
[07:53] <Spartacus> What... I just joined, but are my ears deceiving me?! Google not working?
[07:53] <Conor> well, everyone's answer when I ask these questions is: "Google it"
[07:53] <Conor> And Im like, "Google what?"
[07:53] <Sharn> PMG
[07:53] <Sharn> Google is teh perfectness. ^__^
[07:53] <intelikey> Conor yeah.  that actually works for some people.
[07:53] <kkathman> well many answers can be found in the wiki, or by Googling strategically
[07:54] <Conor> anybody here know how to configure a tvtuner?
[07:54] <Sharn> Mmk, so. "tv tuner setup ubuntu"
[07:54] <kkathman> actually between the wiki, the forums and Google you might be surprised :)
[07:54] <Conor> or can tell me where to look for help
[07:54] <kkathman> Conor:  did you TRY the wiki?
[07:54] <intelikey> Conor Sharn just said google for  "tv tuner setup ubuntu"
[07:55] <Conor> wheres the wiki?
[07:55] <intelikey> !wiki
[07:55] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[07:55] <intelikey> wiki wiki who got the wiki
[07:55] <kkathman> what kind of card is it Conor :)
[07:56] <Sharn> Zero results. =O
[07:56] <Conor> hauppauge usb2
[07:56] <Conor> wintv usb2
[07:57] <kkathman> Try the Hauppage web site
[07:57] <kkathman> there is lots of info there
[07:57] <Sharn> Hm. Yeah. That and search the ubuntu forums too.
[07:57] <Sharn> If you don't find it.
[07:57] <Sharn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:57] <kkathman> or Type   WinTV Hauppage Linux in Google and you'll see lots of links
[07:58] <kkathman> including the link to the Hauppage Site
[07:58] <kkathman> for :Linux Installation
[07:58] <kkathman> So in this case, Google WAS the answer :)
[07:58] <intelikey> kkathman yes that was my point eariler.... lots of links is usually very little help...
[07:59] <kkathman> well, usually for a card, I try the wiki first, then I try a search of forums, then the web site of the card maker
[07:59] <kkathman> typically that will suffice on most issues
[08:00] <BrianSteffens> somebody got wintv hauppage to work on kubuntu?
[08:00] <kkathman> that hauppage page sent me to :  http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[08:00] <kkathman> a full page of How Tos
[08:00] <intelikey> someone is trying too BrianSteffens
[08:00] <BrianSteffens> oh :D
[08:00] <kkathman> see page above
[08:02] <kkathman> here's another page:  http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/hauppauge-wintv-usb2/
[08:02] <kkathman> type WinTV Hauppage Ubuntu in Google.....AMAZING!
[08:03] <intelikey> kkathman and which one of the 124463 pages actually helps ?
[08:03] <kkathman> http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/hauppauge-wintv-usb2/
[08:03] <kkathman> come on guyz :)
[08:03] <kkathman> it took me maybe 5 minutes to find the install?
[08:04] <kkathman> things arent always easy tho..I'll admite
[08:04] <kkathman> but there are ample things to peek at on this one :)
[08:05] <intelikey> "ample things to peek at"   :)
[08:06] <kkathman> sometimes, it takes a little longer than other things...welcome to the world of linux :)
[08:06] <kkathman> thats the fun :)
[08:07] <intelikey> "Q; what do linux users do?     A; they install software."       I mean, if it's working, why bother?
[08:15] <intelikey> matthew_ to which ?   hehhe yeah.
[08:15] <matthew_> the woman part, of course.
[08:15] <intelikey> applies to both.
[08:16] <matthew_> intelikey, what are you thinking of doing to your disks?
[08:17] <intelikey> well i have ubuntu installed on three disks...   i was kinda thinking of clearing one and putting windows 95 back on it so the kids could play this stupid game they have.
[08:17] <justin_> How do you enable multiverse/universe in Kubuntu
[08:17] <matthew_> intelikey, I take it that you can't just wine the game?
[08:17] <matthew_> justin_, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <intelikey> justin_ same way you do in ubuntu.    you add " universe multiverse "   to the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <matthew_> justin_, you can add the words universe and multiverse to the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <intelikey> matthew_ no. tried that already.
[08:18] <matthew_> intelikey, bummer
[08:18] <matthew_> intelikey, like, majorly
[08:18] <Conor> hey! matthew_!
[08:19] <Conor> wanna help me configure my tvtuner?
[08:19] <matthew_> Conor, hey, ummmm, sure...I guess
[08:19] <matthew_> Conor, what's the problem? (I don't know much!)
[08:20] <justin_> matthew_, So now "software" properties as exist in Gnome then?
[08:20] <Conor> um... so what do I do?
[08:20] <intelikey> also if i do i'm kinda thinking of clearing two disks...  one is just a backup copy of the other  and i have burned cd's so i don't need a backup of the backup of the backup,  do i?
[08:20] <justin_> Cause I did fix sources.list - but still no "SUN JAVA" when I search.. and I did update/refresh my list.
[08:20] <matthew_> justin_, not sure what you mean...just add "universe multiverse" to the end of all the lines...
[08:21] <matthew_> Conor, make/model of video card/tuner...etc...please
[08:21] <Conor> hauppauge WinTV USB2
[08:21] <matthew_> Conor, hmmm, lemme do some research...h/o
[08:22] <Conor> thanks
[08:23] <intelikey> justin_  grep -v '#' | sed 's/main.*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sort -u > example-sources.list
[08:23] <intelikey> and look at example-sources.list
[08:23] <matthew_> Conor, have you seen this yet?         http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3492.html
[08:24] <Sharn_Live> Woooo.
[08:24] <matthew_> Conor, he's using hoary...but it should apply
[08:24] <Conor> hoary?
[08:25] <Sharn_Live> I think KDE has snagged me.
[08:25] <justin_> KDEINIT could not launch kate?
[08:25] <intelikey> justin_ copy and paste this in a terminal and then look at example-sources.list  >>>>     grep -v '#' /etc/apt/sources.list | sed 's/main.*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sort -u > example-sources.list
[08:25] <justin_> ..
[08:25] <matthew_> Conor, it was a release a couple years ago...stood for "Hoary Hedgehog"...I think it was 5.10
[08:25] <justin_> intelikey, Thanks man - but I believe im back off to Gnome.. KDE has been too much trouble this week mem leaks from gam_server to kdeinit saying it cant load this or that.. for no reason at all
[08:25] <Sharn_Live> Mmmm. 5.10 was released about exactly a year ago.
[08:26] <justin_> thanks for the help though
[08:26] <matthew_> Sharn_Live, darn...foiled again...
[08:26] <matthew_> lol
[08:26] <seven11> anyone know how i start a second x when i change to tty3 and i log on do startx -- :3 it will start a new x session but crashes befor i get to the desktop
[08:26] <Sharn_Live> :)
[08:26] <intelikey> justin_  ok....  hehhe  but it's the same thing.
[08:26] <Sharn_Live> Don't we just love VMWare. ^_^
[08:27] <intelikey> seven11 crashes ?   any error messages ?
[08:27] <matthew_> Conor, ooh, found another one...this is more recent...here you go.....               http://ubuntu.flowconsult.at/en/hauppauge-wintv-usb2/
[08:28] <matthew_> Conor, much much simpler, as well...
[08:29] <Conor> okay i got an error
[08:29] <seven11> intelikey: can not open dev wacom
[08:29] <matthew_> Conor, what error?
[08:29] <matthew_> Conor, if it's big...use pastebin
[08:29] <matthew_> please
[08:30] <intelikey> seven11 all ubuntu default xorg.conf files have wacom setup   if you don't have a wacom device you can comment out the "three" wacom device entries  and that error will cease.
[08:30] <Conor> pastebin.com/843036
[08:31] <matthew_> Conor, h/o
[08:31] <matthew_> Conor, did you use sudo?
[08:31] <Conor> no
[08:31] <intelikey> seven11 try a desktop and/or app in place of startx
[08:32] <CMeKillMyRouter> sudo make me a sandwich
[08:32] <matthew_> Conor, try that...
[08:32] <Conor> that didnt fix it
[08:32] <matthew_> Conor, ok, I'm out of ideas...are you sure that your video card can do all that?   Its a pretty recent card, and I got the fg whatever drivers
[08:33] <matthew_> Conor, have you tried installing the ati binaries?
[08:33] <Conor> fglx?
[08:33] <Conor> yea
[08:33] <intelikey> seven11 x is already running you don't need more instances of x running you just need to connect to it.    i.e.   konsole --display :3        (one or two dashes, xapps often break posix there.)
[08:33] <matthew_> Conor, ok...hmm...I'm out of ideas...sorry.
[08:33] <matthew_> Conor, lol, too bad genii isn't here...
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:34] <Conor> I installed mythTV
[08:35] <matthew_> Conor, did that work?
[08:35] <Conor> but it kept asking about my password to MySQL or something
[08:35] <Conor> I was confused out of my mind
[08:35] <matthew_> Conor, and you have no idea...hmmm...lemme look around some more...
[08:35] <Conor> thanks
[08:36] <intelikey> seven11 but you do know that the second gui would naturally be :1  don't you ?
[08:36] <matthew_> Conor,              http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MySql
[08:38] <seven11> intelikey: but it should work on 2 as well?
[08:38] <Conor> matthew_: it says it "cant connect to local MySQL server..."
[08:38] <intelikey> seven11 i've never tried skipping numbers...  you can test it.
[08:38] <Conor> sudo didnt fix it
[08:38] <seven11> ok thanks for your help
[08:39] <matthew_> Conor, ok, lemme look again, lol
[08:40] <intelikey> seven11 in time past i have edited startkde to accept display agrs   if you know bash it's simple.
[08:40] <Conor> btw, this is a really nice operating system
[08:40] <matthew_> Conor, what? mythtv?
[08:40] <intelikey> then you can     startkde --display :2     but withut editing the script doesn't readin the args.
[08:41] <intelikey> Conor yeah linux is top notch   imo
[08:42] <BrianSteffens> does everyone's windows resize and move kind of shakily?
[08:42] <JediSpam> erm
[08:42] <JediSpam> shakily? lol
[08:42] <intelikey> BrianSteffens no.
[08:42] <BrianSteffens> hm =/
[08:42] <JediSpam> it sounds like your monitor frequency is too high or something lol
[08:42] <Conor> matthew_: did you ask me a question?
[08:43] <BrianSteffens> i've tried both the fglrx and the most current ati drivers
[08:43] <JediSpam> the refresh rate
[08:43] <BrianSteffens> looks the same both times
[08:43] <matthew_> Conor, yeah...did you say that you like the layout of MythTV?
[08:43] <Conor> no, I like kubuntu, and linux in general
[08:43] <matthew_> Conor, ah...ok...I'm still looking around...
[08:44] <JediSpam> kubuntu is nice
[08:44] <JediSpam> how is myth tv? i don't know what to do for my htpc... should i get the knoppix that has myth tv built in
[08:44] <BrianSteffens> JediSpam: where can i find the refresh rate settings?
[08:44] <intelikey> BrianSteffens just the vesa module  is smooth  so it's prbably something about the ati and the modules...
[08:44] <JediSpam> refresh rate should be in "screen resolution" i think
[08:44] <JediSpam> you might have to edit your xorg.conf
[08:44] <JediSpam> not sure
[08:44] <BrianSteffens> and yea i love ubuntu/kde
[08:45] <BrianSteffens> intelikey is the vesa module what it uses by default before installing any drivers?
[08:45] <matthew_> Conor, does the rest of the error message say "...through socket so and so"?
[08:46] <matthew_> Conor,          http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=74387
[08:46] <intelikey> BrianSteffens can be.   or there may be some generic ati module   i don't know.    it can also use kernel frame buffering   but i don't like to try to run x in that.
[08:46] <BrianSteffens> JediSpam where is xorg.conf located?
[08:47] <BrianSteffens> intelikey well it worked HORRIBLY when i first installed kde. adding fglrx or the current ati drivers helped a lot but it still doesn't run smooth like macos or windows
[08:48] <Conor> matthew_: yeah
[08:48] <intelikey> BrianSteffens vesa is what the liveCD uses to get started   but live CD's are notorious for slow choppy lagging problems  so that not a good test.
[08:48] <spitwise> BrianSteffens: /etc/X11
[08:48] <matthew_> Conor,          http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=74387
[08:49] <spitwise> you need root permissions
[08:49] <spitwise> er
[08:49] <spitwise> privs
[08:49] <spitwise> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:50] <intelikey> BrianSteffens there may be some tweeks mentioned on the wikis   again i don't know much about   ati    only that i don't want one.
[08:50] <BrianSteffens> what is OpenGLOverlay?
[08:50] <Conor> okay.  How do I set up mysql?
[08:50] <intelikey> !mysql
[08:50] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[08:50] <matthew_> Conor, ummm, sudo apt-get install mysql?
[08:50] <matthew_> intelikey, what do you think?
[08:50] <intelikey> see the link ^
[08:50] <Conor> that returned an error.
[08:51] <BrianSteffens> worked for me with konqueror
[08:51] <matthew_> Conor,         https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[08:51] <spitwise> Conor: i'd do some reading, it's a bit tricky if you're new to it ... to get it all set up and whatnot
[08:51] <Conor> oh boy
[08:51] <matthew_> Conor, lol, no one said it was easy!
[08:52] <Conor> mmm...
[08:52] <intelikey> if it was easy there would be a script in the package and you wouldn't have to set anything up...
[08:52] <matthew_> Conor, good luck with that...I've never ever touched MySQL
[08:53] <Conor> oh
[08:53] <Conor> is there something wrong with it, or jusst never encountered it?
[08:53] <matthew_> Conor, nothing wrong with it...just never played with it...no need
[08:53] <spitwise> Conor: mysql + apache as a front end are really nice
[08:54] <spitwise> powerful but takes some effort
[08:54] <BrianSteffens> i'd imagine mysql has to run on an enormous variety of platforms, with an insane number of options for everything
[08:54] <spitwise> also look up phpmyadmin
[08:54] <spitwise> it makes life easier
[08:55] <BrianSteffens> so i'd think it'd be quite a bit more involved to install it than say a text editor
[08:55] <BrianSteffens> lol
[08:56] <spitwise> installing is fine .. making it work is a different story since it'lll only do what you tell it ot ;)
[08:56] <spitwise> to even
[08:57] <spitwise> i've only used it for a small database project
[08:58] <spitwise> even then i think it was a bit overkill ;)
[08:59] <spitwise> but well worth the endeavor
[09:00] <nvman90> Anyone try installing kubuntu with a nvidia 8800GTX?
[09:01] <touch> Can someone help me compile this driver from source for Kubuntu Edgy? http://www.softcoded.net/eduard/elousb.html
[09:01] <lupine_85> nvman90: it'll work fine
[09:01] <lupine_85> although you might need to install the beta drivers to get support for your card
[09:01] <lupine_85> !nvidiabeta
[09:01] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9629 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[09:01] <lupine_85> actually, you'll need the 9742 drivers (s/stable/unstable in the above line)
[09:02] <nvman90> I installed the 9746 drivers that came out today
[09:02] <touch> I'm afraid my lack of knowledge of C prevents me from understanding the output of my MAKE.
[09:02] <nvman90> straight from nvidias site...not from a repos
[09:02] <BrianSteffens> touch: what's the output say?
[09:02] <nvman90> which seems to have been a bad idea
[09:02] <lupine_85> touch: no need to install them from source really
[09:02] <lupine_85> nvman90: 9746? Bad experience?
[09:03] <nvman90> becuase now when I try to start X I get this message "Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-7184, but this X module has the version 1.0-9746."
[09:03] <touch> No... this one there is lupine_85. It's specially compiled to be "hacked" For this purpose. Hold up a sec BrianSteffens, I'll pastebin it
[09:03] <touch> !pastebin
[09:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:03] <lupine_85> nvman90: it's got the nvidia legacy .ko installed
[09:04] <lupine_85> sudo rmmod nvidia && sudo modprobe nvidia might fix it for you.. otherwise, support for your card has been removed in 9746
[09:04] <spitwise> !modprobe
[09:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modprobe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <spitwise> *gasp*
[09:04] <lupine_85> the poor bot hasn't been linked up to man just yet :p
[09:04] <spitwise> heheh
[09:05] <nvman90> alright i'll try that
[09:05] <touch> Here's the output of my make http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38332/
[09:05] <nvman90> although support was definitly not removed because the driver says that it adds support for my card
[09:05] <lupine_85> but yeah, as soon as nouveau get to a usable state, I'm dumping the nvidia one
[09:05] <intelikey> says a lot about a person imo.
[09:06] <Conor> when is genii gonna be back?
[09:06] <lupine_85> 13. /usr/include/unistd.h:418: error: conflicting types for 'xf86usleep' <-- what it says.
[09:06] <matthew_> Conor, whenever he wants to, lol
[09:06] <lupine_85> X11R7 ?
[09:06] <touch> Yeah.. but what does that mean?
[09:06] <lupine_85> I was under the impression this was X11R6 ..
[09:06] <Conor> yeah, you guys are too helpful
[09:07] <touch> Ahh.. so it's possibly a typo from the creator?
[09:07] <BrianSteffens> touch: bad code
[09:07] <BrianSteffens> lol
[09:07] <nvman90> Lupine: Thanks I think those 2 commands fixed it :
[09:07] <lupine_85> either it's designed for a different version of the X11 protocol (though I didn't know X11R7 was out) or the coder is a numpty
[09:07] <intelikey> i'm looking forward to X12
[09:07] <lupine_85> nvman90: cool
[09:07] <lupine_85> intelikey: not Y windows? :p
[09:07] <touch> GAH....
[09:08] <touch> That would successfully kill my last hope of getting this touchscreen working on edgy..
[09:08] <BrianSteffens> how can i install a .deb package i downloaded?
[09:08] <lupine_85> BrianSteffens: dpkg -i
[09:08] <BrianSteffens> ty
[09:08] <lupine_85> if you're sure you want to install it
[09:08] <matthew_> intelikey, what are you smoking?!?!?
[09:09] <intelikey> matthew_ micro-chips   i guess
[09:09] <matthew_> intelikey, hmm...what's up?
[09:09] <matthew_> intelikey, you ok?
[09:09] <intelikey> sure
[09:10] <matthew_> intelikey, ok, just checkin'
[09:10] <spitwise> well my excuse is that i saw santa being mugged in the opeiong scene of strange days on tv and its keeping me up
[09:10] <matthew_> spitwise, nuh huh, santa can't ever get mugged
[09:11] <spitwise> well i done seen it on the boob tube.
[09:11] <spitwise> so it must be forreal.
[09:11] <intelikey> lol
[09:12] <spitwise> and are there any other mac users in the room?
[09:12] <touch> One last hope.. On this guy's site, he's got a regular driver already compiled that's to be copied to the  /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input directory, but it's for Dapper. If I copied it there, should I be able to modprobe it and use it like normal?
[09:12] <intelikey> room != channel
[09:12] <spitwise> kubuntu+ppc=no you tube
[09:12] <lupine_85> touch: probably not - it's a different version of x.org
[09:12] <nvman90> ughh so it still messes up when I restart untill I type "rmmod nvidia" then "startx" works, but I have to do that everytime I restart
[09:13] <touch> So I'd have to downgrade to Dapper to even get it going lupine_85?
[09:13] <lupine_85> nvman90: did you install using the official installer...?
[09:13] <lupine_85> touch: you could contact the author and ask about getting an edgy build
[09:13] <spitwise> intelikey: *ahem* in the Channel.
[09:13] <lupine_85> aside from that, pretty much, yeah
[09:13] <nvman90> lupine: installed from the script on nvidias site
[09:13] <nvman90> lupine: driver just came out today, that supports my card
[09:14] <lupine_85> nvman90: thought so. You're conflicting with the packages in the repo
[09:14] <touch> Well.. in that case.. I think I'll go ahead and email him and downgrade for the time being. Thanks for the help
[09:14] <lupine_85> so either uninstall linux-restricted-modules and nvidia-glx or give me 1/2 hour and i'll get you working 9746 packages :p
[09:14] <lupine_85> (9742 already exist)
[09:14] <spitwise> having serious video issues with ppc + *nix.
[09:15] <nvman90> lupine: LOL no i don't need you to waste time getting a package up. I'll figure something out, thanks for the help
[09:16] <lupine_85> nvman90: I've got to update anyway :p
[09:16] <lupine_85> see http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/
[09:16] <intelikey> spitwise if no one comes to your aid here you can ask in #ubuntu    xorg is xorg  not desktop specific.
[09:16] <spitwise> mm..
[09:17] <intelikey> not that anyone will actually help in there either....
[09:17] <spitwise> tricky .. and mostly due to lack of a macromedia plugin
[09:17] <intelikey> !flash
[09:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:17] <spitwise> so i need like #ubuntuppcXmacromedia.
[09:17] <lupine_85> woo, 9746 is stable
[09:18] <spitwise> or #swf4peepswifwhiteyuppoeboxes
[09:18] <bluebunny> I'm a blue bunny.
[09:19] <spitwise> but htanks intelikey
[09:19] <spitwise> one day i'll ask and there'll be a ppc dork here :D
[09:19] <intelikey> uep
[09:19] <intelikey> yep
[09:21] <touch> Is there any quick way to downgrade from Edgy to Dapper without the CD?
[09:21] <lupine_85> !downgrade
[09:21] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[09:21] <nvman90> lupine: does that mean you're already getting a package for it?
[09:21] <lupine_85> what he said
[09:21] <spitwise> ya i wouldnt go there
[09:21] <lupine_85> nvman90: pretty much, yes
[09:21] <lupine_85> downloading the source now
[09:22] <lupine_85> 90MB :s
[09:22] <lupine_85> then all the fun of uploading it...
[09:22] <nvman90> ouch thats a lot of code
[09:23] <nvman90> Where are you uploading it?
[09:23] <intelikey> touch skipping versions in an upgrade is equally not supported,,, but i have done it.      best advice i can give you is uninstall everything that doesn't require "Yes, do as I say."  to remove it and then start the process.
[09:24] <lupine_85> it'll be the nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk edgy stable repository
[09:24] <nvman90> Awesome! Let me know when its up :)
[09:25] <lupine_85> ok :)
[09:25] <lupine_85> i386 or amd64 ?
[09:25] <nvman90> i386
[09:25] <lupine_85> I'll do that first then
[09:25] <nvman90> alright cool :)
[09:26] <max_> how do i install a .bin
[09:26] <matthew_> max_, you just move it to the appropriate directory
[09:27] <max_> what?
[09:27] <stdin> you usually run a .bin file
[09:27] <matthew_> stdin, oh...I must be thinking of something else...
[09:27] <matthew_> stdin, oh yeah, the *.so files...like for flash.
[09:28] <stdin> :p
[09:28] <stdin> yeah
[09:28] <max_> ive been trying to install java for an hour
[09:28] <max_> and cant figure out how
[09:28] <intelikey> touch i can script the removal process if you like. pretty simple but takes a while#   "dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3 | sort > list ;for Q in $(<list) ;do apt-get remove --purge -f -y $Q ;done  "
[09:28] <stdin> max_: why not install it from the repos?
[09:28] <stdout> MUAHAHA
[09:28] <max_> its in the repos?
[09:29] <max_> !java
[09:29] <BrianSteffens> ok i'm done
[09:29] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[09:29] <stdin> it's in universe
[09:29] <stdin> or multiverse rather
[09:29] <stdin> like the bot says :p
[09:29] <max_> well
[09:29] <max_> that fixes that
[09:30] <BrianSteffens> has anyone else had a problem with ktorrent getting <1 kb/s down on all torrents except one at a time that gets 50-150?
[09:30] <max_> 80mb?! java is that big?
[09:30] <intelikey> java   heh
[09:30] <max_> intelikey: why "heh"
[09:30] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, I had so many problems with ktorrent that I just switched to Azerues...
[09:31] <spitwise> <1k???
[09:31] <stdin> intelikey: how come? (to the java part, not the win part)
[09:32] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ does azerues come with scheduling?
[09:32] <intelikey> stdin just don't have any use for it.
[09:32] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, I don't know...let me check
[09:32] <lupine_85> building...
[09:32] <spitwise> java is rather unneccessssssary\
[09:32] <lupine_85> bah, and it kills my desktop :(
[09:32] <kkathman> well its necessary for some things
[09:32] <lupine_85> erm, AM2
[09:33] <kkathman> like applications that need it
[09:33] <lupine_85> kkathman: there's a saying. If it's worth doing in java, it's worth doing properly :p
[09:33] <BrianSteffens> java is a cool idea i just hate it
[09:33] <kkathman> lol
[09:33] <stdin> like azerues
[09:33] <intelikey> see i don't even know what AM2 is  and probably don't want to know.
[09:33] <kkathman> well I dont argue with that.. but some applications that people use are written in java I guess
[09:33] <lupine_85> AMD processor :p
[09:33] <kkathman> I personally despise java
[09:33] <lupine_85> at least, I /think/ it's AM2
[09:34] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, I don't see anything...but you can cap your up/down speeds, and how many downloads can be active at once...
[09:34] <lupine_85> (like core duo but better, cos it's AMD :p )
[09:34] <stdin> java is good for platform/OS independent software
[09:34] <BrianSteffens> matthew_ k thanks
[09:34] <lupine_85> stdin: so is C source :p -- if it's done properly
[09:34] <intelikey> k9 ?
[09:34] <spitwise> not my platform!
[09:34] <intelikey> oh AM^2
[09:34] <lupine_85> intelikey: nah, just dual core
[09:35] <matthew_> BrianSteffens, np
[09:35] <lupine_85> or maybe some quad opterons..
[09:35] <stdin> lupine_85: in C you can still call on OS dependant APIs, java is a bit different, but C is better :p
[09:35] <BrianSteffens> C wins all
[09:35] <BrianSteffens> :D
[09:36] <matthew_> C ftw
[09:36] <spitwise> lol
[09:39] <BrianSteffens> !ati
[09:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <lupine_85> bah, looks like I'm going to need a reboot to compile the i386 stuff...
[09:40] <spitwise> !screen
[09:40] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[09:41] <intelikey> !es | ubuntu
[09:41] <ubotu> ubuntu: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:42] <spitwise> !sleep
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sleep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <lupine_85>  /snore
[09:42] <spitwise> heh
[09:43] <intelikey> apitwise mount -o remount,dreamonly /dev/brain /media/pillow
[09:44] <spitwise> aww
[09:44] <touch> !touchscreen
[09:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchscreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:45] <touch> !nothing
[09:45] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so. - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[09:45] <touch> Hmm.. there goes the I don't know anything about nothing line
[09:46] <intelikey> !myself
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <matthew_> !God
[09:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about God - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:46] <touch> !the world
[09:46] <ubotu> the: Full-screen character mode text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-4 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 796 kB
[09:46] <touch> O.o
[09:46] <intelikey> lol
[09:47] <intelikey> it only parsed the
[09:47] <intelikey> i wonder if it always drops world
[09:47] <intelikey> !cdw world
[09:47] <ubotu> cdw: Tool for burning CD's - console version. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.3-6 (edgy), package size 40 kB, installed size 180 kB
[09:47] <intelikey> yep
[09:47] <touch> !theworld
[09:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about theworld - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <touch> AHA!
[09:48] <intelikey> wish it ignored i
[09:48] <matthew_> !the_world
[09:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about the_world - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:48] <intelikey> !'the world at large'
[09:48] <ubotu> the: Full-screen character mode text editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1-4 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 796 kB
[09:49] <lupine_85> harsh
[09:49] <touch> !duckbilled platypus
[09:49] <lupine_85> be nice to the poor bot
[09:49] <touch> I just got a PM From the Bot! O.o
[09:49] <intelikey> !botsnack
[09:49] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:49] <intelikey> ok
[09:49] <touch> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:49] <lupine_85> hehe
[09:49] <touch> I think I'll leave him be before he sicks Mr. Roboto on me
[09:50] <BrianSteffens> i just installed compiz, how do i use it ;P
[09:50] <intelikey> terminator ?
[09:50] <intelikey> !compiz
[09:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:51] <intelikey> the    Help in #ubuntu-xgl    seems apropos
[09:52] <lupine_85> amd64 9746 uploading....
[09:53] <nvman90> Did you already get i386 up?
[09:53] <lupine_85> no, sorry.  I'm moving to i386 now...
[10:03] <reldruh> As I was playing with ndiswrapper kubuntu stopped recognizing my wireless card, even though kubuntu says the driver and device are present. Can anybody help me get it working?
[10:03] <jordo23> Will Adobe ever release a 64 bit flash port?
[10:04] <intelikey> !wifi
[10:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:04] <johey> When using Ktorrent, all the time my downloads and uploads stops because there are too many open files. How can I increase the limit?
[10:04] <johey> When using Ktorrent, all the time my downloads and uploads stops because there are too many open files. How can I increase the limit?
[10:04] <jordo23> You increase the settings in config options.
[10:04] <stdin> jordo23: apparently you don't need a chroot to get flash in firefox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[10:04] <johey> Sorry.
[10:05] <jordo23> stdin: I use Konqueror though....doesn't work for Konq
[10:05] <jordo23> stdin: Already read that article :)
[10:05] <intelikey> johey man ulimit      it may be restricting you.
[10:06] <johey> jordo23: It is not about maximum downloads or so, but more on a lower level. I think it exceeds the OS limits of maximum number of open files.
[10:06] <johey> intelikey: Aha oki, thanks! I'll take a look at that.
[10:06] <intelikey> johey ulimit
[10:06] <touch> Is there any command I can use to at least see if Linux SEES my USB connection on my Touchscreen?
[10:07] <jordo23> touch: you have a touch screen?
[10:07] <touch> Yeah.. nonworking I'm afraid
[10:07] <touch> At least under Kubuntu Edgy
[10:07] <intelikey> johey pam can also squeeze things    but i don't think default ubuntu is configured that way.    still having a look in /etc/security/access.conf   wont hurt
[10:07] <max_> can somoene tell me what the deal is with "Super Cow Powers"
[10:08] <stdin> makes things moooove faster
[10:08] <intelikey> touch lsusb
[10:08] <touch> It's an apt thing max_
[10:08] <stdin> :p
[10:08] <max_> i know that
[10:08] <BrianSteffens> does xgl help make windows resize and stuff smoother?
[10:08] <max_> but whats it mean
[10:09] <touch> Well.. it sees it.  One more thing. My downloads and uploads goes to and from an NFS mount. Can it be the file system or the settings of the remote computer?
[10:09] <touch> Best I get is Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1391:1000
[10:10] <intelikey> johey if it's on the other end you will find more connection refused type errors
[10:10] <intelikey> or timed out
[10:10] <johey> intelikey: man ulimit is section 3, the linux programmer manual. Is that the one you mean?
[10:10] <stdin> max_:  apparently it just an easter egg
[10:11] <intelikey> johey yeah
[10:11] <exs> how do I update ktorrent under the live cd? (kubuntu 6.06LTS)
[10:11] <touch> Hmm.. using Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1391:1000, if I were trying to tell xorg.conf where the device was.. would it be /dev/event6?
[10:12] <Kouya> hi
[10:12] <intelikey> johey ulimit is also a bash built-in   you can  help ulimit | less     for that side of the info.
[10:12] <Kouya> I can't get the sun Java plugin to work :/
[10:13] <Kouya> it is installed, selected at update-alternatives and still konqueror doesn't find the plugin
[10:14] <lupine_85> yhelothere :p
[10:15] <lupine_85> i386 build proceeding...
[10:15] <nvman90> Hey you restarted that must mean your working on i386
[10:15] <nvman90> awesome
[10:15] <stdin> Kouya: did you install 'sun-java5-plugins' too?
[10:15] <Kouya> stdin: yes
[10:15] <lupine_85> you should consider yourself honoured that I rebooted for you :p
[10:15] <rohan> my acer travel mate 3260 has an intel GMA 950 card. however, ubuntu gives max resolution of 1924x768 only. how do i increase it ?
[10:15] <nvman90> Oh I do :)
[10:16] <lupine_85> :p
[10:16] <johey> intelikey: This might be it. It seems like I have maximum 1024 file descriptors. If Ktorrent use one descriptor per segment, it may be exceeded. Do you know if that is the way it operates?
[10:16] <lupine_85> rohan: "only"? That's huge
[10:16] <Kouya> I get "sun-java5-plugin is already the newest version." when I run apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[10:16] <intelikey> johey idk.   easy test is to rase the bar
[10:17] <rohan> lupine_85: well, windows goes higher
[10:17] <johey> intelikey: :) Yes, sorry.
[10:18] <intelikey> well there went my boot loader.      tty24 [root@~]  badblocks -w /dev/hda
[10:19] <intelikey> next i guess i'll trash hdc
[10:19] <johey> intelikey: One problem though... bash: ulimit: open files: cannot modify limit: Operationen inte tillten (that means operation not allowed), and as sudo it says sudo: ulimit: command not found
[10:20] <Kouya> rohan: maybe that's a configuration limit
[10:20] <Kouya> but it is possible that you're able to select a resolution on the 'official' configuration file
[10:20] <intelikey> johey you'll have to edit /etc/profile  i think.    set it from there  then it's imutable for the user
[10:21] <stdin> johey: try sudo -s to get a root shell first
[10:21] <johey> intelikey: Oh okay, so this limit is per user and not per process? Or is it globally system wide?
[10:21] <Kouya> stdin: java plugin is installed but still undetected by konqueror
[10:21] <intelikey> stdin i don't think that will help on ulimit setting.  it's per-shell limits
[10:21] <Kouya> it is selected on update-alternatives
[10:21] <stdin> ah
[10:22] <rohan> Kouya: well, cant 915resolution help me go higher ?
[10:22] <intelikey> johey yes per-shell   as in login id
[10:22] <lostoner> Can someone explain to me how to tell what hardware address my device is plugged into via USB? Like /dev/input/whatever
[10:23] <Kouya> rohan: it's not very good to mess with xorg.conf to select a resolution because it may make you unable to select a resolution you forgot to list
[10:23] <intelikey> johey when you login it reads that in and everything under that login is counted as part of the total
[10:23] <lupine_85> ARGH! fscking jumping sound cards
[10:23] <BrianSteffens> compiz will neither install nor uninstall. it seems like each thing relies on each other thing
[10:23] <Kouya> lostoner: if kde automounted it
[10:23] <rohan> Kouya: ah, ok .. thanks for warning me :)
[10:23] <Kouya> lostoner: go to a console and type "mount"
[10:23] <johey> intelikey: Ok. And if I set it in /etc/profile, will it apply to all my processes, even those started from the K menu?
[10:24] <MistaED> lupine_85: cheers for the amd64 nvidia module! it seems to work nicely
[10:24] <intelikey> johey yes
[10:24] <lostoner> Will that work for hardware Kouya? I know it works with drives
[10:24] <intelikey> but you will have to logout and then login to activate it
[10:24] <johey> intelikey: Aha, you already replied to that. :) So this is per X session, so now I need to log in and out?
[10:24] <intelikey> no it's bigger than per-x
[10:24] <BrianSteffens> anyone know what to do if i have a failed, halfway install of something and neither install nor remove work?
[10:25] <nvman90> lostoner: lshw should tell you
[10:25] <Kouya> well, I have to go
[10:25] <Kouya> I'll come back in the afternoon :P
[10:25] <Kouya> school time
[10:25] <intelikey> johey and yes you'll have to log out/in
[10:25] <johey> Okay. Brb, I hope.
[10:25] <oem> could someone please tell me how to make kubuntu to get other repositories?
[10:26] <oem> I'm totally new
[10:26] <intelikey> !repos | oem
[10:26] <ubotu> oem: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:26] <lostoner> Well.. that shows everything but the touchscreen
[10:26] <lostoner> Except whatever the heck  IdealTEK is
[10:27] <intelikey> lostoner google might reviel what it is
[10:27] <intelikey> johey ulimit -a    ?
[10:27] <lupine_85> ok... uploading i386
[10:28] <lupine_85> expect it to be complete in ~10 minutes
[10:28] <lostoner> Google shows nothing but an eBay seller LOL
[10:28] <johey> intelikey: Still 1024.
[10:28] <Edulix> anyone knows how to download a youtube video with wget or smoething? I've tried to install some script from kde-apps but none of them works now
[10:28] <nvman90> alright well i've been waiting this long 10min should be nothing
[10:29] <Edulix> supposedly, with http://www.youtube.com/get_video.php?video_id=aRHk8ol0vTw (for example) you would download the video, but it deosn't work anymore
[10:29] <Edulix> or maybe I'm mistaken? :P
[10:29] <Edulix> sorry, there's no #youtube hehe
[10:29] <johey> intelikey: Maybe 65536 is more than I can set?
[10:29] <intelikey> hehhe maybe
[10:30] <intelikey> idk i've never set  -n   only  -u   for easy fork bomb protection
[10:30] <johey> intelikey: Hm.. But with sudo su, I can set it to 65536, so maybe there is something else...
[10:31] <exst> how do i install firefox on kubuntu?
[10:31] <intelikey> it may be pam   look into /etc/security/
[10:31] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> very easy, exst!
[10:31] <stdin> exst: open adept and install firefix
[10:31] <intelikey> !ff | exst
[10:31] <ubotu> exst: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[10:31] <luca_b> exst: either you use Adept, or you can drop to a console and use "sudo aptitude install firefox"
[10:32] <exst> ok thanks
[10:32] <intelikey> luca_b or even just a terminal
[10:32] <intelikey> no need to drop to a console for that.
[10:33] <luca_b> intelikey: Oh, I didn't mean switch to a VT, I meant use konsole or equivalent, sorry
[10:33] <intelikey> figured that.  but didn't want to confuse things even more.
[10:33] <johey> intelikey: When I change something in the pam files, how do I make the settings apply? Relogin into X, right?
[10:34] <intelikey> johey yes
[10:35] <intelikey> johey not that you would probably have a console open  but if you do you'll have to log out there too.
[10:35] <johey> intelikey: Oki. But it is not logged to any file?
[10:35] <intelikey> ?
[10:36] <johey> intelikey: Never mind. I misunderstood.
[10:36] <johey> Brb again.
[10:37] <johey> Hoo-ha.  :D
[10:38] <intelikey> !language | johey
[10:38] <ubotu> johey: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:38] <intelikey> and yeah.
[10:38] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> haha
[10:38] <johey> Yeye. Sorry.
[10:39] <intelikey> is the rest of your nick Router ?
[10:39] <intelikey> CMeBuyAnotherRou ?
[10:40] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> yes :P
[10:40] <luca_b> johey: PAM can be troublesome, yes
[10:40] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> my router fails
[10:40] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> all the time
[10:40] <Jucato> thank goodness for nick tab completion :)
[10:40] <CMeBuyAnotherRou> or it could be "buy another round" ;)
[10:40] <intelikey> build one out an old pc   linux routers quite well i hear.
[10:40] <luca_b> I and my brother built our own Ubuntu router
[10:41] <johey> luca_b: Maybe so, but this time I meant that it solved my problem. Or, maybe just stopped causing my problem. :)
[10:41] <luca_b> ETX MB + converter for 12 V power supplu + Ubuntu server
[10:41] <luca_b> and a 100 Gb 2.5" HDD, net install, all right
[10:43] <intelikey> johey at any rate PAM is very powerful    if you play with it be sure to leave your self a back door   :)
[10:44] <johey> intelikey: You mean like an installation DVD for a quick recover? :p
[10:45] <intelikey> johey i like to drop to a console login and issue sudo -i then openvt -fc 24    and exit exit.   that will give you a root console on tty24 so you can logout all you want and if for what ever reason you can't log back in you have the root console  to fix it in.
[10:46] <Simian__> i can't remember what the command is to remove a directory that is full of files