[11:41] <viestur> aquarius do you have a minute?
[13:18] <viestur> can someone halp me with this code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1076964/
[13:18] <viestur> it is ment to upload files to ubuntu-one and share the
[13:18] <viestur> m
[13:18] <viestur> and it is working just fine
[13:19] <viestur> but, I don't understand how do i get the uploading progress information, to display in unity's launcer
[15:29] <aquarius> viestur, hey
[15:29] <viestur> hey
[15:29] <viestur> i got everything working
[15:29] <viestur> it turned out that there was some mistake when i copied id
[15:29] <viestur> it
[15:29] <viestur> i rewrote it with hand and then it worked perfectly fine
[15:30] <aquarius> excellent
[15:30] <viestur> but i didn't understand, how do i get the progress of uploading
[15:31] <viestur> as far as i understood it is something with lambd
[15:53] <viestur> aquarius, i misunderstood something?
[15:53] <aquarius> ah, sorry, I was afk
[15:54] <aquarius> to get upload *progress* you'll need to watch for another signal
[15:54] <viestur> OK
[15:54] <viestur> what signal?
[15:55] <aquarius> I'm not sure; I'm looking in d-feet now to work it out :)
[15:55] <aquarius> aha, UploadFileProgress
[15:56] <aquarius> use syncdaemontool.connect_signal("UploadFileProgress", some_function)
[15:56] <viestur> but how do i use it?
[15:56] <viestur> ou
[15:56] <aquarius> and then some_function will get passed progress details
[15:56] <viestur> thanks :)
[15:56] <aquarius> you'll have to experiment with it yourself; I've not actually used that signal
[15:56] <viestur> OK
[15:56] <viestur> is there som info about in online?
[15:58] <aquarius> let me have a play with it.
[15:59] <viestur> OK, thanks :)
[16:12] <aquarius> OK, we don't seem to fire that signal.
[16:13] <viestur> you have any idea how to get it?
[16:14] <aquarius> viestur, So, I don't know how you get upload progress, right now, I'm afraid. I recommend that you ask dobey or ralsina or verterok, who may know. I've tried dbus-monitor'ing /status and we fire UploadStarted and UploadFinished but no UploadFileProgress signals. It is possible that you need to turn it on somehow (so that we don't spend time firing a zillion signals that nobody is listening to), but you'll need one
[16:14] <aquarius> of the core syncdaemon engineers for that
[16:14] <aquarius> I believe that the Ubuntu One control panel can do it, so it must *be* doable, but I don't know how, myself, I'm afraid.
[16:14] <aquarius> dobey may do, as may alecu or ralsina -- however, today's Sunday, so there might not be anyone around...
[16:15] <viestur> OK
[16:15] <viestur> do you know in what language is written the ubuntu one client in ubuntu?
[16:22] <dobey> the control panel doesn't
[16:22] <dobey> there is no signal for progress of files
[16:23] <dobey> there are internal events in ubuntuone-syncdaemon, which it uses to set the progress on the u1 launcher
[16:28] <viestur> but can i use them?
[16:28] <viestur> dobey?
[16:28] <dobey> no
[16:28] <dobey> they are internal events; they are not exposed on dbus
[16:29] <dobey> well, i *think* there is a way to have sd send all events out as signals on dbus, but it will basically completely flood dbus with signals
[16:29] <viestur> ou
[16:29] <dobey> or we might do it anyway
[16:30] <dobey> there is the /events object path
[16:30] <aquarius> dobey, ooh, so it just can't be done, then?
[16:30] <dobey> and there is an Event signal
[16:30] <viestur> but if it fluds all the dbus, will my app will slow the computer down
[16:30] <dobey> so maybe you can listen to that and filter
[16:30] <aquarius> dobey, I didn't try /events. I tried /status, which fires UploadStarted and UPloadFinished, and there is an UploadFileProgress signal in there named by d-feet, but that signal doesn't seem to fire
[16:31] <dobey> oh, so there are progress signals
[16:31] <dobey> if there are signals for it, then they should be the things one listens to
[16:33] <viestur> yes but aquarius said that it didn't work
[16:33] <viestur> didn't work for me too
[16:34] <dobey> then file a bug
[16:34] <dobey> but i am going back to my weekend now :)
[16:34] <aquarius> dobey, ya, that's what I tried -- I did "dbus-monitor path=/status" and then put a big file in ~/Ubuntu One. I got an UploadStarted and an UploadFinished (and a bunch of ContentMetaQueueChanged and StatusCHanged etc), but no UploadFileProgress
[16:35] <aquarius> dobey, I merely wondered whether you knew something I don't -- do the progress signals need turning on or something? The ones that the unity launcher button uses are internal signals, huh?
[16:35] <dobey> no, there is no turning on; yes the launcher progress bar is actually *in* syncdaemon
[16:36] <viestur> so no progressbar for me ten :D
[16:36] <viestur> then
[16:37] <aquarius> viestur, ya. Sorry, then; we do not expose progress updates to external applications
[16:38] <viestur> aquarius, but isn't there some signal that could return aproximet progress
[16:38] <aquarius> viestur, it'd be worth filing a bug against ubuntuone-client explaining why you want this, and then the syncdaemon team can decide how best or whether to do it
[16:38] <dobey> viestur: you can implement it using the appropriate signals which don't currently work, and file a bug, and when it gets fixed, your progress bar will just magically start working
[16:38] <viestur> like half done, or something?
[16:38] <aquarius> viestur, there isn't, I'm afraid; we have Started and Finished for uploads and that's it, based on what dobey's saying
[16:39] <dobey> well there's also the Progress signals
[16:39] <dobey> which are apparently the thing you want that's "like half done" :)
[16:39] <viestur> it'd be close enough
[16:39] <dobey> so please file a bug about them not working
[16:40] <viestur> yeah but it'll be too late for the app showdown
[16:40] <dobey> anyway, really going back to the weekend now
[16:40] <dobey> later
[16:40] <viestur> thanks :)
[16:41] <viestur> thank you too aquarius
[16:41] <viestur> you where a great help :)


[00:23] <jjohansen> apw: this was on the chromebooks I am hearing if the machine has 2G or under
[00:24] <jjohansen> so yeah not that low
[03:00] <BenC> apw: Finally, a build we can all be proud of
[09:47]  * ppisati feels a bit sick today...
[10:14] <apw> ppisati, sounds bad ... your football team lose ?
[10:14] <ppisati> apw: yes, last weekend, but i don't think it's related
[10:15] <ppisati> normal flu, i think i'll survive.. hopefully... :)
[10:21] <jibel> cking, I tested lxc with kernel 3.5.0-18.29-lp1065434, transfered data over different links, shutdown/restarted the container multiple times successfully while I can reproduce the bug reliably with the version of the kernel in 12.10
[10:22] <jibel> cking, it sound like it resolves the "waiting for lo to become free" issue
[10:22] <cking> jibel, so that looks like a reasonable fix then :-)
[10:23] <apw> bug #1065434
[10:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1065434 in linux (Ubuntu) ""unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1" after LXC container shutdown" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1065434
[10:24] <cking> jibel, if you can update the bug report and I will SRU it
[10:25] <jibel> cking, sure, I'll update it with the tests I did. thanks for the fix!
[10:43] <smb> infinity, still awake?
[11:19] <xnox> I am seeing video/graphics degradation in kvm on raring-host&guest https://launchpadlibrarian.net/122917285/lightdm-grey-boxes.png
[11:20]  * xnox ponders of any good ways troubleshooting that
[11:29] <apw> henrix, hey ... i assume it is you doing the puloads for the current SRU cycle ?  when might i see a linux-lts-quantal
[11:29] <henrix> apw: yep, i am working on that.
[11:29] <apw> henrix, great indeed
[11:30] <henrix> apw: the quantal packages are pretty much ready for -proposed
[11:30] <henrix> apw: after they are in proposed, the bot should create the bug for the -lts.
[11:31] <apw> henrix, gotcha
[11:31] <henrix> apw: i may start working on the -lts today
[11:31] <apw> henrix, cool, if you could start with the Q backport out of all the derivatives, as it will help expedite secure-boot testing in P
[11:32] <henrix> apw: ack
[11:32] <henrix> apw: ah! problem is that we still have a few kernels pending from previous cycle. and linux-lts-quantal is one of them
[11:33] <apw> henrix, what is holding it back ?
[11:51] <smb> jodh, Would you know from the top of your head how I would make an upstart job depend on a certain device? "tty-device-add DEVICE=hvc0" is not complaining, but neither really seems to not work if I change the name to something that does not exist...
[11:54] <jodh> smb: that should be "tty-device-added DEVNAME=hvc0" I think.
[11:54] <smb> jodh, Ah ok, likely DEVNAME to be what udevadm test prints out
[11:55] <jodh> smb: correction, it should be "tty-device-added DEVNAME=*hvc0" (asterisk added)
[11:59] <jodh> smb: the need for the asterisk being show by the output of...
[11:59] <jodh> smb: awk 'BEGIN{RS="";ORS="\n\n"}; /UDEV.*\[/ && /ACTION=add/ && /SUBSYSTEM=tty/ { print; }' /var/log/udev
[12:00] <smb> jodh, Ah there is that log already.  I think it is working now. Thanks.
[12:06] <ppisati> apw: did you already create a config diff matrix among flavours for R?
[12:08] <apw> ppisati, hmmm, not refreshed it since UDS, but which flavour you interested in
[12:08] <ppisati> apw: ah, the uds one is good
[12:08] <ppisati> apw: where is it?
[12:09] <smb> jodh, What confused me was some statement that the format would be something like <subsystem>-device-<action>. (Or I did not read well enough) And then not realizing that "service x start" probably overrides any start on magic
[12:09] <apw> ppisati, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/configs/raring/reviews/UDS.html
[12:10] <apw> but bear in mind it has not derivates as we do not have any at even a slightly similar level
[12:10]  * apw will try and get a 'current' one done in a bit
[12:13] <jodh> smb: good catch! The man pages are incorrect on that point! I'll get them fixed...
[12:14] <smb> infinity, So just to let you know that I have a newer version of the xen package for raring in zinc:~smb/4review which is adding some of the things agreed to at uds and some cves. If you would review and sponsor that you may ignore the currently uploaded one in proposed.
[12:14] <smb> jodh, Ah, then at least something good came from my failure. :)
[12:21] <rtg> apw, I see that linux 3.7.0-0.5 was accepted finally. I presume that means ppc et al are now consistent and we can upload at will ?
[12:22] <apw> rtg, indeed it should mean exactly that ... phew
[12:24] <rtg> apw, the regression I was chasing yesterday (PERCPU allocation failure) was actually introduced between 3.5-rc1 and 3.5-rc2, so I think we're clear to upload 3.7-rc5 later today. Do you have anything you want in the upload ?
[12:25] <rtg> ogasawara is working on some haswell crack, but I don't think its ready.
[12:25] <rtg> and it might be for Quantal anyways
[12:26] <apw> rtg, i think everything i wanted is on there, just be aware there are changes in there for the common headers package (for ppc) which should not change a think on master, but just be aware
[12:26] <apw> s/think/thing
[12:26] <rtg> apw, this one ? "UBUNTU: [Config] Use SRCPKGNAME as prefix for indep linux headers package"
[12:27] <apw> rtg, yeah, in theory it is a noop on master, and a quick review still looks ok, and i have tested it, but it was ported to your cleanup of that code
[12:28] <apw> but just worth checking those in your test build
[12:28] <rtg> apw, yeah, I looked at it yesterday. seems fine
[12:44]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:59] <rtg> apw, please review ubuntu-raring-signed. Is there anything one needs to do besides just uploading it ?
[14:06] <apw> rtg, that looks fine, other than tagging it, uploading it should do the trick; it will depwait on the main binaries
[14:07] <rtg> apw, OK. I was waiting to tag it until after your review
[14:07] <apw> rtg, guessed as much indeed
[14:07] <apw> literally making sure the version number is right, you found 'update-version' i assume
[14:08] <rtg> apw, um, no. I used 'dch -i'
[14:08] <apw> there is a scripty to copy the right version from the master repo: ./update-version ../ubuntu-raring stylee
[14:10] <rtg> apw, I backed up one commit and ran update-version. It did the same as I did )by hand), so I guess I got it right.
[14:10] <apw> rtg, indeed, it looked similar enough i assumed you had used it :)
[14:11] <apw> it does emit the tag commands etc for you to make life easier
[14:11] <rtg> apw, oh well, I'm used to doing those by hand anyways. tagged, pushed and uploaded.
[14:11] <apw> rtg, thanks
[14:11]  * rtg will be back on in a bit
[14:48] <arges> smb, hey
[14:48] <smb> arges, hi
[14:49] <arges> smb, I see that you fixed pad.lv/322737 a long time ago.  I think bug 1070182 might be related since it is the same network driver.
[14:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070182 in linux (Ubuntu) "8086:10f5 Can't connect to the network through a wired connection - Network dialog shows "Wired Cable unplugged"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070182
[14:49] <smb> I did... must be a longer while
[14:49] <arges> smb, I think you made a sauce patch to fix this then, should I try and reapply the sauce to the newer version to see if it fixes the issue?
[14:50] <smb> arges, maybe you also could just refresh my memory with the subject of the patch I did and a release
[14:51] <arges> smb, sure   * SAUCE: Add support in e1000e for a couple of ICH10 PCI IDs
[14:51] <arges> smb, added support for intel 82567LM
[14:51] <smb> That probably was hardy...
[14:51] <arges> oh yea 8.04
[14:51] <smb> and usually just adding pci ids
[14:53] <arges> smb, so do I need to fix this in linux-ubuntu-modules? or is this in linux ?
[14:53] <smb> I think back there it was lum, which do not exist for any recent kernel
[14:54] <arges> yes
[14:54] <smb> And remember that only adds pci ids
[14:54] <smb> not sure whether that matches the problem of that other bug
[14:54] <arges> smb, the error seen in dmesg is exactly the same
[14:56] <smb> Ok, so might be just not attaching then...
[14:57] <smb> arges, Though the e1000e driver is loading.
[14:58] <rtg> henrix, I assigned bug #1072163 to you. Please see if you can drive it to some sort of conclusion.
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1072163 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Lack of fsam7400 kernel module in quantal" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072163
[14:58] <smb> So it looks like the pci id would be causing the probe but some checksum is not what is expected.
[14:58] <henrix> rtg: ack. i've seen it before, but couldn't find too much time to dig into it
[14:59] <henrix> rtg: basically, we don't want to fix it, i.e., we don't need that driver
[14:59] <henrix> rtg: there's an upstream driver with same functionality (actually, there are 2), and with the same prob
[15:00] <arges> smb, #define E1000_DEV_ID_ICH9_IGP_M_AMT             0x10F5  <--- yea its in the driver
[15:00] <rtg> henrix, I'm fine with that. mark it invalid or won't fix with an appropriate explanation.
[15:00] <henrix> rtg: ack. i'll try to focus on that bug later today (or, more likely, tomorrow)
[15:18] <arges> rtg, http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/197479/
[15:21] <hallyn> smb: hey, could you give your opinion on whether bug 1078305 should be deemed a kernel (bridging) bug, or just a legitimate quirk which libvirt should work around?
[15:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078305 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "source IP address of broadcast packets gets rewritten when using NAT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078305
[15:25] <smb> hallyn, not quickly I'd need some time to understand the thing
[15:38] <hallyn> smb: ok.  i just don't want to work around something in libvirt if it's actually a kernel bug.  i'll comment in the bug for nwo.
[15:52] <apw> hallyn, ok ... we really need to have confirmation of the network topology, and the iptables rules in use here
[15:53] <apw>   337 20220 MASQUERADE  tcp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/24    !<IP_ADDRESS>/24     masq ports: 1024-65535
[15:54] <apw>    31  2296 MASQUERADE  udp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/24    !<IP_ADDRESS>/24     masq ports: 1024-65535
[15:54] <apw>     1    40 MASQUERADE  all  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/24    !<IP_ADDRESS>/24
[15:54] <apw> hallyn, so if his setup is default (ie matches mine) then i think it is doing what these rules tell it
[15:58] <hallyn> apw: for some reason i'm having a really hard time reasoning about this bug this morning
[16:00] <apw> hallyn, could we rewrite these instead of using !<IP_ADDRESS> ... so like -out !virbir0 -in virbir0 or something
[16:01] <rtg> smb, iptables -vnL -t nat
[16:06] <apw> hallyn, have you got a test rig for this ?
[16:06] <hallyn> apw: no
[16:06] <hallyn> apw: been out a few days, just saw this bug sitting there today
[16:06] <hallyn> apw: but, his observatiosn seem actually backward, right?
[16:07] <hallyn> the values are NOT masqueraded when usin <IP_ADDRESS>, but are when using <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:07] <hallyn> uh, s/0/255/g
[16:07] <apw> hallyn, well from what i can see the kernel is doing what was asked, if you use <IP_ADDRESS> as a destination then it must be rewritten
[16:08] <apw> hallyn, right and that matches his complaint, that if you send to <IP_ADDRESS> then no rewrite occurs
[16:08] <apw> and if you use <IP_ADDRESS> then you need to do masquerade whcih will rewrite the source address
[16:08] <apw> the rules are just not right in that sense
[16:09] <henrix> rtg: you have a 'start new release' commit on ubuntu-precise-meta. was there something you wanted to get into this package?
[16:10] <henrix> rtg: ah, its a commit from 19th oct, so you probably don't remember about it anymore :)
[16:11] <henrix> rtg: actually, it was on precise-lbm, not -meta
[16:12] <hallyn> apw: ok, thx.  i'm not sure how easy it is to fix the way you suggest (as it's somewhat hardcoded in libvirt), but i'll mark as not affecting kernel :)
[16:12] <apw> hallyn, am playing with some rules now to see if i can even write what we want written
[16:13] <apw> hallyn, well in theory you can make the bridge outside of libvirt and use that prebuilt one
[16:13] <apw> hallyn, and it is possible they are just wrong and should be fixed for everyone
[16:17] <hallyn> apw: yes, i think it's wrong upstream, if that's what you mean.
[16:17] <apw> sudo iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING 1 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -d <IP_ADDRESS> -j RETURN
[16:17] <apw> hallyn, i would be interested to know if the above also sorts it out
  i'll ask in the bug
[16:28] <rtg> apw, what model N7 did we get? the 16GB one ?
[16:29] <apw> rtg, i believe so yes
[16:29] <apw> its on the end of the box if that helps
[16:29] <rtg> apw, you mean the box I left in Denmark ?
[16:29] <apw> yeah that one.  mine cirtainly is 16
[16:38] <apw> rtg, ok ... i am seriously considering reinstating the common headers package for -lowlatency so disconnect it from master ... else lack of updates for it prevent linux from moving to -updates
[16:38] <apw> rtg, now that we have the template with ppc its pretty easy to do
[16:39] <rtg> apw, so that would make it the same as ppc , right ?
[16:39] <rtg> fully decoupled ?
[16:39] <apw> yes, that indeed
[16:39] <rtg> go for it
[16:39] <rtg> apw, the N7 rootfs image is giant. I'll likely be at it for awhile
[16:40] <apw> rtg, that sucks
[16:53] <apw> rtg your -1.6 upload is dropping depwait on libaudit-dev
[16:53] <rtg> apw, which is a tools build dependency
[16:54] <rtg> what do you mean 'dropping' ?
[16:54] <apw> rtg, i mean it doesn't exist so linux is not building
[16:54] <apw> E: Unable to locate package libaudit-dev
[16:55] <rtg> apw, ugh, wtf ? I'm sure I installed it.
[16:55] <apw> Raringreleaseon 2012-10-18universelibs
[16:56] <apw> if you could read that you'd see its universe, so needs an MIR for the build to succeed
[16:56] <rtg> apw, ah, shit
[16:57] <rtg> apw, I think x86 perf tools will build without it. lemme check
[16:57]  * apw muses as to why all his pastes get shafted like that
[17:20]  * ppisati -> EOD
[17:30] <SpamapS> is there some reason there are no mainline kernel builds for precise past 3.4 on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ?
[17:37] <rtg> SpamapS, 'cause we started using the quantal config for 3.5, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5-quantal/
[17:43] <SpamapS> rtg: ah ok, so you'd expect the latest 3.6.6 to work on precise?
[17:43] <rtg> SpamapS, I see no reason why it wouldn't
[17:43] <SpamapS> rtg: I had thought there were firmware changes in quantal
[17:44] <rtg> SpamapS, there were for some devices. I've packaged those updates with the distro backport, but mainline doesn't have them
[17:44] <SpamapS> gotchya
[18:02] <infinity> smb: I can poke at that today, sure.
[18:33]  * rtg -> lunch
[18:58]  * henrix -> EOD
[19:05]  * apw wanders somewhere more comfortable ...
[20:10] <infinity> bjf: Is shankbot just lagging on updating https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lts-backport-oneiric/+bug/1068230 or has something gone pear-shaped with the rebase promotion logic, perhaps?
[20:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068230 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux-lts-backport-oneiric: 3.0.0-27.44~lucid1 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]
[20:11] <herton> infinity, it's waiting on oneiric linux bug to be promoted to updates
[20:11] <infinity> herton: Oh, that's the wrong logic, IMO.  It should just wait on the promotion tasks being set.
[20:12] <infinity> herton: Otherwise, I'll just pre-empt the bot and promote without it setting the tasks, cause I'm not going to do this in two passes. :P
[20:13] <herton> infinity, I can change that, my understanding was that we wanted that behaviour, at least in case there was some dependencies between the binaries, which isn't the case
[20:13] <infinity> herton: The only place where there's actually a dependency between binaries is lowlatency->master (which just got fixed to no longer be true in raring).
[20:14] <infinity> herton: But even then, if all the promotion tasks are set together, one can assume that the packages will also get promoted together.  I don't tend to make more work for myself when I don't have to. ;)
[20:14] <herton> np, I'll fix the bot later to just wait for confirmation of the tasks instead of the current behaviour
[20:15] <infinity> Shiny, thanks.
[20:15] <infinity> We can test it next cadence.  This time, I'll just preempt the bot and DTRT.
[20:15] <herton> ack
[20:18] <jsalisbury> rtg, ogasawara, This was just assigned to the canonical kernel team: bug 1078861
[20:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1078861 in ubuntu-nexus7 "Rebase kernel to the branch shipping with Android 4.2" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078861
[20:19] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: I'll assume jani just opened that as a tracking bug and will do the work there
[20:20] <jsalisbury> ogasawara, ahh, ok
[20:20] <rtg> ogasawara, I'm having a look
[20:21] <rtg> ogasawara, bjf: by the way, I just pushed the lts-backport-raring branch to precise
[20:21] <ogasawara> rtg: ack
[20:47] <bjf> rtg, so does that imply there is an upload happening real-soon-now ? will this be happening in the x-swat ppa like quantal?
[20:47] <rtg> bjf, I'm assuming so, though the PPA name is disingenuous
[20:49] <bjf> maybe there should be a "hardware enablement" ppa
[20:50] <rtg> bjf, I'll upload later tonight and also send a note to bryceh asking about PPA naming. Maybe they want to start a whole new one.
[21:03] <bjf> rtg, ack
[21:11]  * rtg -> EOD
[21:55] <infinity> herton: Do you know who's responsible for the regression-testing task on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-armadaxp/+bug/1068573 ?
[21:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068573 in linux-armadaxp (Ubuntu) "linux-armadaxp: 3.5.0-1604.6 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[21:56] <infinity> herton: Would be nice to get that one done and released before starting all over again with the new Q kernels in the PPA.
[21:58] <herton> infinity, not sure, but I think our QA was doing the testing on armadaxp kernels, bjf ikepanhc  ^
[21:59] <infinity> (Not that it's critical that it be released before we start on Q, it just gets a bit harder to keep it all straight when the flavours are out of sync)
[22:00] <bjf> infinity, QA is doing it. i know they were running into some issues today with HW


[12:26] <PriceChild> maxamillion: i just stumbled on your automatix in ubuntu by default comment :P
[12:27] <maxamillion> lol, yeah ... we posted at almost the exact same time because when i clicked "reply" yours wasn't there
[12:27] <PriceChild> +1 :)
[12:27] <PriceChild> just merged the threads now
[12:28] <maxamillion> arnieboy?
[12:28] <nalioth> where is this blog?
[12:28] <PriceChild> nalioth: pricechild.co.uk
[12:29] <PriceChild> it appears on planet.ubuntu.com with forum summaries each week
[12:29] <PriceChild> and I've also got a spot on beryl's planet :P
[12:29] <maxamillion> nice
[12:29] <PriceChild> maxamillion: he's the author of automatix
[12:29] <maxamillion> lol
[12:29] <PriceChild> maxamillion: you must have heard about "the automatix wars"?
[12:30] <maxamillion> no, but they are slowly starting to look like gnome v kde wars
[12:30] <PriceChild> maxamillion: it kinda ripped the forums apart.... not that I pretend to know much about what went on at all
[12:31] <maxamillion> bleh ... automatix is alright, it should be offered in the repos but not default
[12:32] <nalioth> maxamillion: no, it shouldn't.
[12:32] <PriceChild> hehehe :)
[12:32] <maxamillion> PriceChild: oh, so ... what's with all the hype around sabayon or whatever?
[12:32] <PriceChild> watch your step maxamillion
[12:32] <PriceChild> maxamillion: not a clue, never used it personally... might download it on tuesday... but it has beryl as standard, and that's why beryl have made it their official distro
[12:33] <maxamillion> i actually don't care .... only reason i know that software exists is because i have seen threads about it on the forums and i went to read about it
[12:33] <nalioth> please do not let the dutchman catch you talking about autocrapix in here
[12:33] <maxamillion> nalioth: lol, fair enough
[12:33] <nalioth> PriceChild: your blog isn't acting right, i can't visit older pages
[12:34] <PriceChild> nalioth: hmm odd... how do you mean?
[12:34] <PriceChild> doesn't the scroll thing work for you?
[12:34] <PriceChild> it needs javascript
[12:34] <PriceChild> (i think)
[12:35] <nalioth> the "older" button isn't doing anything
[12:35] <PriceChild> works fine for me...
[12:35] <PriceChild> i'll disable the fancy scrollbar for you
[12:36] <Hawkwind> nalioth: It's working here for me as well
[12:36] <nalioth> nah, i've already gone on
[12:36] <nalioth> not seeing an automatix post
[12:37] <PriceChild> nalioth: we were talking about on the forums :P
[12:37] <nalioth> ah,
[02:23] <PriceChild> ping maxamillion
[02:24] <maxamillion> PriceChild: pong
[02:24] <PriceChild> maxamillion: check this log out grrrrrrr
[02:25] <maxamillion> ooo, link me!!! :)
[02:25] <maxamillion> .... errr, that sounded bad
[02:25] <PriceChild> :)
[02:48] <somerville32> gnomefreak, maxamillion: Thats not true. 2.6 dropped a lot of old hardware support.
[02:50] <maxamillion> somerville32: yeah, i know ... learned the hard way ;)
[03:48] <somerville32> seveas: ping
[03:48] <somerville32> @now amsterdamn
[03:48] <somerville32> @now where seveas lives
[03:48] <somerville32> @ Amsterdam
[03:48] <somerville32> gah
[03:48] <somerville32> @now amserdam
[03:49] <PriceChild> somerville32: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[03:49] <somerville32> @now amsterdam
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Amsterdam: January 07 2007, 03:49:31 - Next meeting: Ubuntu New User's Network in 15 hours 10 minutes
[03:49] <PriceChild> 3:50 am
[03:49] <PriceChild> lol there you go
[03:50] <somerville32> We need more ops in -offtopic
[03:50] <PriceChild> :P
[03:51] <PriceChild> somerville32: whoa! - just read yipe's comments
[03:51] <nalioth> why more ops?
[03:51] <somerville32> Because -offtopic is out of control almost all the time
 somerville32, shut up and go away, you're not an op, you're just annoying
[03:54] <PriceChild> elkbuntu had a problem or two earlier in -offtopic earlier today (I think probably yesterday for him/her)
[03:55] <elkbuntu> yeah, he's a resident minor troll
[03:55] <somerville32> He talking about how much he wanted to have a girlfriend and kiss them and hold them and crap
[03:55] <somerville32> I asked him to stop
[03:56] <PriceChild> it got a little worse than that somerville32
[03:56] <somerville32> Yeah
[03:56] <somerville32> They started talking about anal intercourse
[03:56] <somerville32> And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now
[03:57] <somerville32> I think he should be muted for a little while as this is not the first time I've had to steer the direction of the discussion in the opposite direction with yipe.
[03:57] <elkbuntu> somerville32, i know, but that would involve two hours of crap in here
[03:57] <elkbuntu> and with the new rules you incited, i wouldnt be able to ban him from here, someone else here would have to
[03:58] <elkbuntu> you wouldnt be able to act either
[03:59] <somerville32> This is different though because he attacked me after I engaged
[03:59] <somerville32> If he randomly insulted me, then it would be necessary to ask someone else to review the case.
[03:59] <somerville32> If a police officer pulls you over and gives you a warning and you tell them "Oh just shut up and go away, I wasn't speeding."
[03:59] <somerville32> Do you think things would escalate?
[04:00] <elkbuntu> somerville32, wrong. if i was to kb him from offtopic, he'd come in here and bitch and howl for a few hours, until one of the other ops had time to deal with him, as neither you nor i, as instigator and banning op, would only be able to speak/act to defend ourselves
[04:01] <somerville32> Ah, that business.
[04:01] <elkbuntu> this is the situation your whinging the other week has put us in. enjoy it.
[04:01] <elkbuntu> things worked perfectly fine before
[04:01] <somerville32> The new rule (which I didn't propose nor discuss with anyone since I wasn't at the meeting)  isn't permission to flood this channel with crap
[04:02] <nalioth> somerville32: do you know what "whinging" is ?
[04:02] <somerville32> protesting?
[04:03] <elkbuntu> in a 'but why' fashion
[04:03] <nalioth> somerville32: 'whinging' is the way Australians say "whining"
[04:03] <elkbuntu> yeah, we added a 'g'
[04:04] <somerville32> It's too late now but I don't think anything that happened last moth has anything to do with what just happened
[04:05] <elkbuntu> somerville32, no, but it affects how we get to deal with it
[04:05] <somerville32> Ok, lets "pretend here" that you did mute him.
[04:06] <somerville32> Lets say he wanted to complain
[04:06] <somerville32> He comes in here and states his complaint.
[04:06] <somerville32> If he spams/trolls then he gets the boot
[04:06] <somerville32> If there is no one here to deal with the issue, then he'll wait
[04:07] <somerville32> However, it was explicitly stated that we CAN defend ourselves but it would be best if we let another op handle it to make the process more transparent and to avoid unfairness
[04:08] <somerville32> What came about from my "whining" was a more transparent process and more accountability for op actions.
[04:10] <somerville32> We also examined how we were dealing with things - it was noted that we were too easy to ban people and now we've started using other methods to deal with instigators.
[04:10] <elkbuntu> no, it's created a channel where we cannot talk openly without situations that are sensitive, and we have to second-guess and jump through hoops
[04:10] <elkbuntu> things. worked. fine. before
[04:11] <somerville32> I disagree.
[04:11] <somerville32> But oh well
[04:11] <elkbuntu> how long have you been in a mod/op role?
[04:11] <elkbuntu> not just with ubuntu
[04:11] <somerville32> Few years
[04:12] <nalioth> mod/op with a CoC, is what elkbuntu meant
[04:12] <elkbuntu> nalioth, yes
[04:12] <somerville32> Few years
[04:12] <nalioth> ##php and #debian ops/mods are terrors
[04:13] <elkbuntu> i've been in mod/op roles with community behaviour 'policies' for 7 years, somerville32. you dont get *anywhere*
[04:13] <elkbuntu> you dont go ranting and want people banned for saying shut up, that's what ##php and #debian ops do, not here, not in other places i've mod/op'd
[04:14] <somerville32> 1. I didn't ask for him to be banned
 And if yipe said shutup to Seveas or someone, yipe would have been kbed by now
[04:14] <somerville32> Right
[04:14] <elkbuntu> a rose by any other name
[04:14] <somerville32> I said that to emphasis that I felt that action was unduly being delayed
[04:15] <elkbuntu> what he is doing in the channel is simply being himself
[04:15] <elkbuntu> he's an 'emo' whiny lonely kid. this is the internet. those two things are not mutually exclusive
[04:15] <elkbuntu> emo whiny lonely kids are allowed to use ubuntu
[04:16] <somerville32> Sexuality is not an accepted topic of discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:16] <elkbuntu> people talk about girlfriends allt he time
[04:16] <somerville32> And thats fine
[04:17] <elkbuntu> but?
[04:18] <somerville32> People don't want to hear him talk about how he wants to have a girlfriend and how he wishes this imaginary girl and himself could engage in certain risque activities
[04:19] <somerville32> And then they started to talk about anal intercourse
[04:19] <somerville32> Thats when I tried to redirect the discussion to something more acceptable
[04:19] <elkbuntu> somerville32, the butt sex where the 'butt' was a typo of 'but'
[04:19] <somerville32> Thats when he attacked me personally and a mute was necessary.
[04:21] <elkbuntu> there's personal attacks of various grades 24/7 in that channel, most extremely minor like 'shut up'. we're adults, we can ignore and get over this sort of taunt. if we were to mute/ban/kick for ever incident, we'd be worse than ##php and #debian.
[04:22] <elkbuntu> you have no special rank in the channel anyway, why should telling *you* to shut up be any different to someone telling yipe himself to shut up
[04:22] <elkbuntu> (which happens about a thousand times a day)
[04:23] <somerville32> There is a difference between telling a friend to shutup and attacking someone
[04:23] <somerville32> the goal of the mute would be to demonstrate that the behaviour he had been exhibiting was inappropriate.
[04:24] <elkbuntu> the mute would have achieved nothing of the sort
[04:24] <somerville32> Could you elaborate on why you feel that would be inappropriate?
[04:25] <elkbuntu> because it would only *amplify* his behaviour
[04:25] <nalioth> do you know yipe, somerville32 ?
[04:25] <somerville32> nalioth: Just from what I've seen in the channel and he has demonstrated trollish tendencies as outlined in Matthew's guide to trolls.
[04:26] <somerville32> elkbuntu: How so?
[04:26] <elkbuntu> somerville32, because he'd come in here, and make the same arguements im making, but in a less coherant, and louder fashion
[04:26] <nalioth> "Matthews guide to trolls" ? URL ?
[04:26] <somerville32> PriceChild, ping
[04:26] <PriceChild> hi somerville32
[04:26] <somerville32> elkbuntu: And what is your argument exactly?
[04:26] <elkbuntu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1032104&postcount=2
[04:27] <somerville32> :]
[04:27] <elkbuntu> somerville32, that you're oversensitive, and easily insulted and think that insults against you are worse than insults against any normal channel user
[04:29] <somerville32> elkbuntu: You're saying that yipe shouldn't be reprimanded _because_ I'm oversensitive to insults? (disregarding the latter comment as it isn't true)
[04:29] <elkbuntu> {u,ku,xu}buntu-*  channels arent hippy love channels. they are channels were we're allowed to act like normal people. normal people disagree. normal people debate. normal people do occasionally tell other to shut up.
[04:30] <elkbuntu> c'est la vie
[04:30] <somerville32> Right so lets just stop right here because we're not going to resolve anything and I don't want to compromise our relationship by arguing.
[06:36] <hybrid> OH NOES Jucato !!!
[06:36] <Jucato> hi hybrid! :)
[06:37] <hybrid> how goes it Jucato ?
[06:37] <somerville32> moo
[06:37] <Jucato> doing fine... about to take an afternoon nap when you buzzed :P
[06:37] <hybrid> ah sorry
[06:37] <Jucato> heh no apologies. it's ok. :)
[06:38] <Jucato> heh just a bit tired... slept at 3am... couldn't actually get decent sleep because of mosquitos... then woke up at 7am :)
[06:38] <hybrid> yuk
[06:39] <somerville32> mosquitoes?
[06:39] <hybrid> sleep is over rated
[06:39] <somerville32> All our mosquitoes are dead
[06:39] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:39] <Jucato> some of them had the unfortunate fate of dying when I rolled over them :P
[06:40] <somerville32> Thats... disgusting.
[06:40] <somerville32> You have mosquitoes in your room and in your bed?
[06:40] <somerville32> Where do you live - in the mountains?
[06:40] <Jucato> doesn't bother me... I was asleep :)
[06:40] <Jucato> tropical country
[06:42] <nalioth> :)
[06:42] <somerville32> Oh right, I'm on IRC.
[06:42] <somerville32> Sorry
[06:52] <DBO> in the name of killing mosquitoes, all blood must be banished
[06:57] <elkbuntu> eep. who's bringing the mozzies?
[06:57] <Jucato> they're following me around...
[06:58] <Jucato> thanks y'all :)
[06:59] <Jucato> are those the lamp-like things that fries mozzies when they get close?
[06:59] <DBO> no food... no prey =)
[06:59] <Jucato> lol
[06:59] <Jucato> no blood... no Jucato :)
[06:59] <Jucato> hm.. sounds good
[07:00] <DBO> thats only a minor oversite
[07:00] <Jucato> heh, but does sound good :)
[07:02] <nalioth> yes, with the great sizzling sounds and bright flashes :D
[07:03] <Jucato> for some odd reason, mine didn't work last night...
[07:33] <nalioth> !flash
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:22] <ubotu> In ubotu, somerville32 said: no, revu is <reply> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU and http://revu.tauware.de/
[09:22] <somerville32> hmm...
[09:22] <somerville32> %whoami
[09:22] <ubotu> somerville32
[09:22] <somerville32> %editors
[09:22] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul
[09:22] <somerville32> seveas: You forgot to re-add me : P
[10:12] <gnomefreak> what is the command to turn umode +i off (if thats the one that hides channels your in?)
[10:13] <somerville32>  /mode gnomefreak -i
[10:14] <gnomefreak> somerville32: /whois gnomefreak   how many channels do you see?
[10:15] <somerville32> You're in #ubuntu-xgl and I
[10:15] <somerville32> 'm not
[10:15] <somerville32> so it worked.
[10:15] <gnomefreak> thats not the right command
[10:15] <gnomefreak> it only shows 18
[10:16] <somerville32> If you're in an invisible channel
[10:16] <somerville32> You'll have to change the mode on the channel
[10:17] <gnomefreak> i do whois and it shows all 20
[10:18] <gnomefreak> its not showing #ubuntu-nun nor #ubuntu-mozillateam
[10:18] <gnomefreak> but it does for me
[10:20] <somerville32> Both channels are secret channels
[10:20] <somerville32> ie. +s
[10:20] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:33] <Seveas> somerville32, muha
[12:09] <Seveas> somerville32, I've just read the backlog in here
[12:09] <Seveas> somerville32, may I suggest that you step back a bit and see how we do things before trying to start a revolution?
[12:09] <somerville32> Seveas: I think that would be a good idea.
[01:49] <elkbuntu> Seveas, wtf was with me being opped and deopped before?
[01:50] <Seveas> hobbsee was having fun
[01:50] <Seveas> or ompaul
[01:50] <Hobbsee> wasnt me
 I'm in Australia, obviously... why else would the Australian's be trying to hard to troll me? :-) <-- gee i wonder what this is about
[03:15] <Hobbsee> somerville32: you do know that you should expect to be insulted as an op, etc, and cop more crap than anyone else, dont you?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> somerville32: and that getting people to the point of hating your guts is bad
[03:15] <Hobbsee> mainly because it's very hard to stop them
[03:19] <geoffb> uh, apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask, but I'm having a wierd problem with an #ubuntu* channel, can I have some help with it pls?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> !ask
[03:20] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:21] <geoffb> ok, sorry, a bit nervous about it all right now. it's taken me 20 minutes to figure this out... as far as I can tell, I've been kicked/banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for saying "geoffb: irc has ad breaks?"... I can't rejoin the channel in any case
[03:21] <geoffb> did I break an unwritten rule with that or something?
[03:22] <Seveas> geoffb, you were given an IRC break ;)
[03:23] <geoffb> uh... <tap><tap> anyone here? is this thing on?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no
[03:24] <geoffb> Hobbsee: ?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> no, this thing is not on :P
[03:24] <geoffb> lol
[03:25] <geoffb> so no idea about the kick/ban then huh?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> you got unbanned again
[03:25] <Hobbsee> [01:03]  *** Seveas removes the ban on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:26] <geoffb> well, removing a ban doesn't really matter... what was it that I did to get banned in the first place?
[03:28] <mc44> geoffb: the ban was removed right after it was put on. Can you still not join the channel?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> a delayed ban for excess flooding last night, would be a start, imo..
[03:28] <Hobbsee> but i didnt set it
[03:29] <geoffb> mc44: no, I cannot.
[03:29] <mc44> Seveas: ^
[03:29] <geoffb> Hobbsee: ? flood protection is 'on' here, I didn't flood, unless freenode is more sensitive to it than others?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> geoffb: i believe it was in -au
[03:31] <geoffb> ohhhh, ok, you're probably on about that thing where one of the ops got upset about a bunch of us trying to deal with a potential suicide case in channel... no worries...
[03:31] <DBO> IRC is a bad place to deal with potential suicide cases
[03:31] <geoffb> I *thought* that the most important thing was to help out the person in trouble, I guess I got that wrong.
[03:31] <Seveas> geoffb, there are no bans on you so you can join. If you cannot, then that's gods sign that you should not try to join
[03:32] <DBO> =P
[03:32] <Seveas> geoffb, and please don't reiterate old discussions
[03:32] <geoffb> DBO: you're right, sometimes you've just gotta do whatever you can!
[03:32] <Seveas> geoffb, this channels is for operator matters. So there's nothing for you to do in here
[03:32] <DBO> geoffb, we can take this elsewhere, because this isn't the place (PM is fine), but the right solution would have been to call the local authorities if you really thought it was honest
[03:33] <DBO> PM me your response if you wish to continue =)
[03:34] <geoffb> no, sorry... I was just looking for help with the ban, if that can't be fixed, that's no worries... thanks all y'all for your help, sorry to bother ya :-)
[03:34] <DBO> elkbuntu, sorry im not really into pokemon
[03:35] <elkbuntu> DBO, if he mentions me in PM, let me know
[03:36] <Jucato> pokmon...
[03:36] <elkbuntu> apparantly my destruction is his life goal now
[03:37] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, im on his /ignore list now :D
[03:37] <PriceChild> damn!
[03:37] <elkbuntu> i kept speaking in the channel i 'followed' him into
[03:37] <DBO> elkbuntu, what did you do to him?
[03:39] <elkbuntu> DBO, someone pasted a private conversation of said suicide attempter into -au, i told said person it was a bad idea, geoff went ballistic, crapped on about how i was evil and flexing op evilness, pm'd me that my destruction is his new life goal, then i spoke in offtopic, not realising i was replying to him
[03:41] <DBO> elkbuntu, you ARE evil, we all know this
[03:42] <elkbuntu> yep, so evil i even restrained from banning him
[03:42] <DBO> taking care of suicide on IRC is like trying to diffuse a bomb while blindfolded
[03:42] <elkbuntu> s/restrained/refrained/
[03:43] <mc44> DBO: with a hammer
[03:45] <mc44> DBO: cant touch this
[03:45] <Seveas> STOP
[03:45] <Seveas> Hammer Time
[03:47] <DBO> we're all going to hell it seems
[03:47] <DBO> or at least, if my grandfather (rest his soul) is to be believed...
[03:47] <DBO> as MC Hammer is one of the many forms of the devils music
[03:47] <mc44> Seveas: http://thefunniest.info/top.html number 4 :)
[03:48] <Seveas> mc44, I know
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !meeting
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meeting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <Seveas> there are many more
[04:25] <somerville32> Hobbsee|NotHere, People... hate me?
[05:09] <Seveas> somerville32, probably
[05:09] <somerville32> Yeah, lol, probably
[05:14] <somerville32> @lart 28 somerville32
[06:22] <jenda> http://photos-453.ak.facebook.com/ip006/v20/144/123/11759/n11759_30488453_3716.jpg
[06:42] <jenda> Just why does that sound like Ubuntu's t1ts?
[06:44] <PriceChild> jenda: tut tut
[09:17] <nalioth> who in the hell keeps removing the goddamned factoids?
[09:18] <PriceChild> !-xincludes
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xincludes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <maxamillion> hiya PriceChild
[09:20] <PriceChild> hey  maxamillion
[09:20] <PriceChild> so doesn't that mean that xincludes didn't exist ever?
[09:20] <nalioth> it existed, i put it in.
[09:20] <PriceChild> well yeah lol
[09:24] <nalioth> !xincludes is <reply> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[09:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that, nalioth
[10:30] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Swig0FreedomMilk said: ubotu, what is your favorite color?
[10:33] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, nickspoon said: ubotu, what is the meaning of life?
[12:19] <nalioth> hi ompaul
[12:19] <ompaul> hi nalioth
[12:20] <gnomefreak> hello
[12:20] <ompaul> hiya john
[12:23] <gnomefreak> someone type ping gnomefreak please i want to see if i got the new version hacked right
[12:23] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak ping
[12:23] <gnomefreak> even
[12:24] <ompaul> gnomefreak ping
[12:24] <ompaul> is that what you want
[12:24] <gnomefreak> yeah
[12:24] <gnomefreak> but it didnt work
[12:24] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:24] <gnomefreak> guess that means i got work to do tomorrow like i wasnt busy enough :(
[12:25] <ompaul> k


[02:11] <charlie-tca> Natty Narwhal Beta 2 Candidate testing starting tonight! Everyone invited - tracker is at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[02:12] <charlie-tca> tonight = now
[02:17]  * Unit193 downloads
[02:18] <charlie-tca> syncing here, and started both upgrade tests again. Maybe I will get lucky and get them to work this time...
[02:19] <charlie-tca> We would like to see more than test for each one, too.
[13:37] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:52] <charlie-tca> I can now choose any Ubuntu or Xubuntu session after upgrading from maverick to natty
[13:54] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we have a bug for adding two volume controls to the panel on upgrade?
[13:55] <charlie-tca> Got one on the panel and one in indicators
[13:57] <charlie-tca> (and I think they are both Gnome mixer/applet)
[14:40] <mr_pouit> yes, it's the same upgrade bg
[14:40] <mr_pouit> *bug
[14:40] <mr_pouit> bug 757754
[14:42] <charlie-tca> We are getting tons of great positives for Natty
 charlie-tca, I've seen positive feedback about xubuntu on the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10667472&postcount=14
[14:42] <charlie-tca> I see a lot on identi.ca too, more than we had for Maverick
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu+1 also has real good posts about Xubuntu Natty
[16:53] <micahg_> charlie-tca: unfortunately, we're going to ship with Thunderbird 3.1.9 which will be EOL at release, but I"ll have the update ready on release day
[16:53] <micahg_> oops
[16:53] <micahg_> not EOL, but superceded
[16:53] <charlie-tca> It happens. When the changes hit too fast, they run out of time.
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Natty Beta2 desktop images tested good
[19:19] <charlie-tca> biggest issue at this point is the upgrade bug
[19:19] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the alternate image installer reverted to the pink and purple colors
[19:20] <charlie-tca> and we can live with that for the beta2
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Okay, this is weird now;
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I made a mistake on the password, and the colors switched to the blue background
[19:22] <charlie-tca> but they only stayed that way for the password input, the next step, the background is purple again
[19:23] <charlie-tca> micahg: arm images built today
[19:23] <micahg> for xubuntu?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> nope
[19:24] <charlie-tca> the only thing I see is Ubuntu Headless armel+omap3
[19:24] <micahg> ugh, so I guess we'll try for next cycle?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> sure
[19:24]  * micahg thinks xubuntu should do well on arm
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Always a chance we will get it done
[19:29] <mr_pouit> bah, I don't know. Try to ping Dustin Kirkland so he can fix the color mess he introduced after Feature Freeze
[19:30] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Like I said, we are okay for the beta2,
[19:30] <charlie-tca> we can try to fix the mess Friday.
[19:30] <knome> mr_pouit, lol
[19:52] <mr_pouit> eh, sorry, but I already made two uploads for that, tried several terminal emulators, told him that his color scheme sucks (except on gnome-terminal), and he ignored me
[19:53] <charlie-tca> No problem, I will track him down when I get a chance. Maybe tomorrow.
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Something happened along the way, since we had our own colors for beta1
[19:55]  * charlie-tca thinks Ubuntu makes changes, decides they won't affect us, and when they do, pretend it did not
 charlie-tca: Congrats to you and all the xubuntu team...11.04b1 looks as solid as it acts (so far :-)


[02:03] <admin_> hello
[02:04] <admin_> this is my first time using Armbian chat
[02:04] <admin_> it is very impressive i must say.
[02:06] <leftyfb> admin_: you might be looking for #raspberrypi
[02:06] <admin_> im actually using orange pi 5 atm
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: ok, this is #ubuntu
[02:07] <admin_> how do i change my alias in here
[02:07] <leftyfb> !help | admin_
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: please /join #libera for help with IRC
[02:07] <leftyfb> admin_: this is an Ubuntu support channel. For Ubuntu
[02:08] <admin_> ok sure
[02:08] <admin_> !help
[02:08] <leftyfb> admin_: type:    /join #libera
[02:11] <dTal> admin_ could have used some more gentle guidance
[02:12] <Michael_From_Syd> anyone have the solution enable sound via xrdp on armbian jammy?
[02:12] <dTal> Michael_From_Syd:  You may be under the impression that this is some sort of dedicated "armbian chat". This room has nothing to do with armbian, and people here are liable to get tetchy if you ask questions about it.
[02:13] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: sorry, but we cannot support Armbian here. Try #armbian
[02:13] <Michael_From_Syd> armbian and ubuntu im having some issue
[02:13] <Michael_From_Syd> same*
[02:18] <Michael_From_Syd> you need to be logged into your NickServ account < any guides on this please ?
[02:19] <sarnold> Michael_From_Syd: /msg nickserv help register --  that'll get you started
[02:21] <Michael_From_Syd> REGISTER magicbook<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:21] <Michael_From_Syd> oops
[02:22] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: /join #armbian
[02:22] <leftyfb> type that into your IRC client
[02:22] <Michael_From_Syd> im using hexchat from ubuntu
[02:23] <leftyfb> no, you're using hexchat from armbian
[02:24] <sarnold> Michael_From_Syd: please pick a better password :)
[02:24] <Michael_From_Syd> done.. can someone delete my email in this chat lol..
[02:24] <sarnold> no, irc has no state
[02:25] <sarnold> the servers sent it to everybody in the channel immediately, and now it's replicated in a few hundred clients, logs, etc, but it no longer exists in irc at all
[02:27] <Michael_From_Syd> this chat reminds me of the 90s <3
[02:27] <rbox> well IRC waas created in 1988...
[02:28] <Michael_From_Syd> i love it
[02:28] <Michael_From_Syd> just recently starting to use dockers on linux and testing all flavours of linux
[02:29] <Michael_From_Syd> using orange pi 5 and raspberry pi
[02:29] <leftyfb> Michael_From_Syd: we try to keep this channel strictly to Ubuntu support questions. Feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Or in the case of running something other than Ubuntu, maybe #linux-offtopic
[02:31] <Michael_From_Syd> ok joining now.. thank you
[02:46] <zeratul> do you know how to uninstall everything realted to snaps from Ubuntu running in WSL ?
[02:46] <zeratul> *related to
[02:47] <leftyfb> zeratul: sudo apt remove --purge snapd
[02:47] <zeratul> leftyfb, sweet music!
[02:49] <leftyfb> zeratul: I wouldn't recommend that though.  I added it with `useradd new_user` and manually created a home directory
[06:55] <codebam> 2024/01/09 06:55:21.201662 cmd_run.go:1055: WARNING: cannot start document portal: dial unix /run/user/0/bus: connect: permission denied
[06:55] <codebam> I'm connected with ssh so that could also be why?
[06:57] <rbox> if you've ssh'd in, how do you want to run firefox
[06:57] <codebam> I used X forwarding with -X
[06:57] <rbox>  /run/user/0 sounds like root...
[06:57] <codebam> okay I'll try forwarding just the user
[07:08] <nutchip> halo
[07:33] <bruno_> hello
[08:13] <sally-nwamama> okay wow
[10:11] <firethelazor> hey
[10:12] <firethelazor> any one here know about ndi
[10:49] <hans__> "docker" is a "transitional package" to.. what?
[11:05] <ogra_> hans__, "apt-cache show docker" ...  it should tell in the package description
[11:05] <ogra_> (transitional packages usually do ..)
[11:08] <lacrymology> I just ran out of space in /boot... how do I deal with that? I'll need to boot from media to resize, right?
[11:09] <lacrymology> hm, gparted says there's like 230mb left
[11:11] <HurstvilleGuy> does anyone have the code to install chrome ?
[11:17] <HurstvilleGuy> got it.
[11:30] <akik> lacrymology: remove old kernels that you don't need any more
[11:34] <ogra_> but make sure to use apt for this, dont just delete files ...
[11:34] <PeGaSuS> can I disable snap confinement for a specific application, like Firefox i.e?
[11:35] <ogra_> nope
[11:36] <ogra_> snap confinement is defined at package build time only, if the packager did not enable any interfaces (which are the things to allow circumventing confinement for defined parts of the system), you wont be able to turn it off ...
[11:38] <ogra_> that said ... there are ways like i.e. bínd mounts to make stuff available to confined applications in their confined space
[11:39] <PeGaSuS> I guess that I'll need to follow this method to use it as a deb package which allows me to directly import stuff from Chrome: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/
[11:40] <ogra_> what do you want to import ? you can surely just copy things into the FF config dirs as you can without confinement
[11:40] <ogra_> i'd not switch to a completely unsupported browser for just this ...
[11:41] <PeGaSuS> on windows I can simply import data directly from Chrome to Firefox (passwords, etc). now, with snaps I just can't on Ubuntu
[11:43] <ogra_> PeGaSuS, https://logmeonce.com/resources/transfer-passwords-from-chrome-to-firefox-2/
[11:44] <ogra_> should work with the snapped firefox as well
[11:44] <ogra_> (point 1 that is ... i.e. export from chrome to your home, then import from FF)
[11:45] <PeGaSuS> nope. on the snap package the "Google Chrome" option doesn't appear
[11:45] <ogra_> read the page ... point 1 only ...
[11:47] <PeGaSuS> I want more data than only passwords. I want bookmarks and other stuff. this idea of "let's use snap for everything" is more cumbersome and more annoying than anything
[11:48] <ogra_> well, once there was a security vulnerability in a browser and everyone lost their online banking account data to a scammer you might re-consider these words 😉
[11:50] <PeGaSuS> so, we should limit every user just because a handful of them are unable to protect themselves?
[11:50] <ogra_> i'd personally not use unsnapped browsers for security relevant tasks anymore ... but it is your system indeed, install a deb based FF if you feel like, instructions are out there, but note that we can not support a deb based firefox here  🙂
[11:51] <ogra_> (or in any other official ubuntu support venues)
[11:51] <ogra_> i'm sure there are similar methods as above for importing bookmarks, history and other stuff if you google a bit
[11:54] <PeGaSuS> which only frustrates people because now we have to go into hoops that we previously didn't have to
[11:54] <ogra_> file a bug ... i'm sure the mozilla guys would happily work with the snapd peaople to create a snap interface to allow direct imports
[11:55] <ogra_> ... it just doesnt exist today ... and it wont if nobody tells them
[11:58] <spinningCat> i dont know why ubuntu cannot connect wireless netork that i can connect with windos without problem
[12:07] <PeGaSuS> the "bug" shouldn't be a bug because it worked before the move to snap. I'll install Firefox from the PPA, change PPA priority and done
[12:08] <ogra_> better use the tarball ... the PPA is just for testing backports to old ubuntu releases, it will eventually go away
[12:08] <ogra_> (so you might silently stop getting updates at some point)
[14:41] <amcsi_> in Xubuntu how do I disable middle clicking on a window panel minimizing the window?
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> amcsi_: Right click on Panel > Panel preferences > Items > Window Buttons > Settings > Behaviour : Middle Click Action
[14:48] <pragmaticenigma> amcsi_: There is also a #xubuntu channel where you will probably get answers XFCE desktop questions a little quicker. This channel is mostly volunteers running Ubuntu Desktop (with Gnome)
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:55] <respawn> hi
[14:55] <respawn> Ella Fitzgerald Blue Skies
[15:19] <Menzador> respawn: That's an Irving Berlin song btw
[15:24] <respawn> it reminds me of series Picard that song
[15:33] <supesdupes> What is the name of that graphical store that is in ubuntu, but also any other distro that is a fork of GNOME software, but purely for snaps? I heard of a snap store that got deprecated in ubuntu and a new different one.
[15:45] <ubuntustudio> !help
[15:47] <leftyfb> supesdupes: huh?
[15:47] <supesdupes> Poorly written question, I know. Until I rewrite it, you can disregard it.
[16:05] <cocevich> Welcome to Bachmut
[16:07] <leftyfb> cocevich: can we help you with something?
[16:08] <cocevich> No, thank you. It was a mistake
[16:10] <AngryTom> I get sound stutter with 23.10 on VMware Fusion. Changing to X11 didn't help. Any ideas?
[16:12] <Guest99> hi, I am running ubuntu-desktop 23.10. My CPU is amd r7 6800H. After installing google-chrome if I run it from command line, I can see endless repeated error messages: "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal.". In chrome about:gpu, it shows webgpu is disabled. I am not sure if this is related. I did google, but don't find any
[16:12] <Guest99> proper solutions yet. Maybe it's something related to my gpu driver. I am not sure.
[16:14] <leftyfb> Guest99: can you try chromium and see if you have the same issue?  sudo apt install chromium-browser
[16:15] <Guest99> thanks. I will try that now.
[16:16] <Guest99> btw, it's installing from snap store. I don't like snap.
[16:19] <leftyfb> Guest99: did you get the same issue with chromium?
[16:21] <Guest99> leftyfb: I just tried chromium. It doesn't report the same error message. It outputs different error message. webgpu and Vulkan are disabled too. There are more features disabled in chromium. Which pastebin is preferred here? I can paste the error outputs. They are not endless repeated though.
[16:22] <Guest99> !pastebin
[16:23] <Guest99> leftyfb: this pastebin is for chromium: https://dpaste.com/HGNYVABKM
[16:24] <leftyfb> Guest99: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1477966/using-chromium-with-vulkan
[16:26] <Guest99> leftyfb: this is for chrome: https://dpaste.com/AQMAKHGCX
[16:27] <Guest99> leftyfb: thanks for the link. will using-chromium-with-vulkan solve chrome issue too? I will use chrome in the end. I won't use chromium.
[16:27] <leftyfb> Guest99: sorry, but we can only help with packages in the official ubuntu repositories. That said, resolving the Vulkan issues with chromium might or might not resolve the issues with chrome
[16:28] <Guest99> I can not access reddit. It blocked my IP. No other websites do this, only reddit.
[16:29] <leftyfb> Guest99: the link I gave you is not reddit
[16:30] <Guest99> I think the answer is just a link points to reddit webpage. maybe I am wrong?
[16:31] <leftyfb> Guest99: try the parameter and/or the options at the bottom
[16:32] <Guest99> leftyfb: I tried "--gpu-active-vendor-id=0x1001", it doesn't work.
[16:33] <Guest99> I am using amd r7 6800h. gpu: [Radeon 680M]
[16:39] <Guest99> Should I install amd gpu driver from adm.com?
[16:39] <Guest99> I  mean amd.com. sorry, typo
[16:40] <leftyfb> Guest99: did you try the options at the bottom of the link I gave you?
[16:41] <Guest99> leftyfb: which option? I said I tried "--gpu-active-vendor-id=0x1001". it doesn't work.
[16:42] <leftyfb> did you try enabling vulan in the chrome://flags/ ?
[16:42] <Guest99> I just tried "--enable-features=Vulkan,webgpu", it doesn't work either. The post author said it didn't work.
[16:43] <leftyfb> ok, then you might want to try different gpu drivers
[16:43] <leftyfb> sorry, but I have almost no experience with AMD GPU drivers
[16:43] <Guest99> leftyfb: No. I just checked chrome://flags/ in chromium. That page does not have "vulan" keyword.
[16:44] <leftyfb> I meant vulkan
[16:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: sure, thank you very much for your help. I will search how to install amd proprietary driver.
[16:45] <leftyfb> !amd | Guest99
[16:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: I just enabled "vulkan" in chrome://flags/. Nothing changed.
[17:01] <jpeng6011> d
[17:01] <jpeng6011> d
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:01] <jpeng6011> w
[17:07] <de-facto> why is snap such a disaster? it enforces to install some packages but cant even update them with a default setup
[17:07] <de-facto> update error message "snap has no updates available" for the update
[17:07] <de-facto> aha, well how can i get rid of that nonsense?
[17:08] <leftyfb> wait for an update to become available?
[17:08] <de-facto> how long?
[17:08] <de-facto> i retried several times
[17:08] <leftyfb> ask the maintiner of the package
[17:09] <de-facto> core20
[17:09] <de-facto> what for do i need that snap nonsense at all? cant i uninstall the whole thing?
[17:09] <leftyfb> why do you think you need an update for core20?
[17:09] <de-facto> the update manager wants to update it
[17:10] <leftyfb> can you take a screenshot?
[17:10] <de-facto> "ubuntu software"
[17:11] <de-facto> leftyfb, https://i.imgur.com/L3hlJN9.png
[17:12] <leftyfb> !bug | de-facto
[17:12] <de-facto> freshly installed 22.04
[17:12] <leftyfb> de-facto: what release of ubuntu are you running?
[17:12] <leftyfb> odd
[17:14]  * de-facto hates snap with a passion
[17:15] <de-facto> i didnt even do anything to it and it already fails with default fresh setup out of the box
[17:16] <Menzador> Wouldn't core20 be superseded already?
[17:16] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure it's there for backward compatibility
[17:16] <leftyfb> de-facto: you can also try asking in #snappy
[17:17] <Menzador> Fair.  I would recommend doing so from the command line:   sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:20] <de-facto> yes i was fully up to date, had to close all windows, and interrupt my work to reboot because of snap now
[17:20] <de-facto> now its gone
[17:21] <leftyfb> it was probably a bug in the software center, not snap
[17:21] <Menzador> Yeah, I've seen this a few times in snap-store myself
[17:22] <leftyfb> Menzador: "snap store"?
[17:22] <de-facto> i dont like it, every single time i have to deal with snap its because of problems
[17:23] <de-facto> also i really hate that there is no browser in ubuntu just the snap package
[17:23] <leftyfb> there is a browser. There's firefox
[17:23] <de-facto> basically forcing users to use nsap
[17:23] <leftyfb> provided directly by Mozilla
[17:23] <de-facto> as snap yeah but not as normal package
[17:23] <leftyfb> snap is a package system, similar to apt and yum
[17:24] <leftyfb> it shouldn't matter how the package was installed
[17:24] <leftyfb> de-facto: does firefox work for you?
[17:24] <Guest99> hi, I am not sure if my chrome issue can be fixed by using X11. Is that recommended to use X11 for ubuntu-desktop 23.10? If so, is there a GUI way to switch to X11? thanks.
[17:25] <de-facto> yes but its snap, hence not really integrated in the system
[17:25] <leftyfb> de-facto: why do you need firefox "integrated in the system"?
[17:25] <Menzador> leftyfb: Well, "Ubuntu Software" anyway. But yeah, I've had trouble with more recent versions of it, even in 23.10, and usually a restart or a process kill will flush it
[17:26] <Menzador> Guest99: What issue are you having with Chrome?
[17:26] <leftyfb> Guest99: https://fostips.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/login-xorg-jammy.gif
[17:27] <Menzador> !xy | Guest99
[17:27] <Guest99> Menzador: It endless outputs "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal.". Webgpu is disabled.
[17:27] <Guest99> Menzador: I have asked chrome issue here. no answer. That's why I am trying something else.
[17:28] <Guest99> I am using amd r7 6800h.
[17:28] <leftyfb> Guest99: no answer?
[17:29] <Guest99> leftyfb: no solution? Sorry that I am not a native English speaker.
[17:29] <leftyfb> !amd | Guest99
[17:30] <Menzador> Guest99: I'm told this may be fixed in 118
[17:30] <Guest99> I haven't tried to install amdgpu-pro driver yet. Because online articles do not recommend to use it.
[17:31] <Guest99> Menzador: Do you mean chrome version? The latest one (I am currently running) is chrome 120.
[17:32] <Menzador> https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/3646633
[17:32] <leftyfb> chromium-browser is at version 85
[17:32] <Menzador> From upstream it looks like the whole thing's getting a replacement
[17:33] <Guest99> So what can I do now? I can not live without a browser. I need to use chrome for my daily life.
[17:38] <Guest99> I am OK as long as chrome stop printing "ERROR:vulkan_swap_chain.cc(409)] Swapchain is suboptimal." forever.
[18:03] <arraybolt3> Guest99: What problem are the log lines causing? Is the browser failing to launch? Are you running out of disk space due to the logs being spammed?
[18:04] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:05] <Guest99> arraybolt3: It does not cause anything yet. I just don't want to see the lines are getting printed forever and occupy the terminal scroll buffers. I just feel bad for the terminal and my laptop somehow.
[18:05] <leftyfb> Guest99: why are you running chrome from a terminal anyway?
[18:06] <Guest99> leftyfb: I run everything from terminal. I want to see the stdout. If it keeps printing something, I will not run it. Either fix it or switch to another app. Error message is fine to me, but I can't accept forever endless printing.
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: The "forever" printing is because your actions relaunch the things that is causing the message to appear. What it is telling you is that your browser is trying to use 3D acceleration to render the web page your are visiting, but the graphics drivers are not supporting it. If you think that is bad, you really should avoid running `tail -f /var/log/syslog`
[18:10] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the explanation. I don't get what the words "your actions relaunch the things" mean. I don't relaunch things. and I never run `tail -f /var/log/syslog`.
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: As your browse the web, the action of scrolling up and down the page, clicking a link to a new page, the javascript loading additional elements to the page as you interact with it. Those are all initially sent to the Vulkan handler to try and perform the rendering using 3d acceleration. The warning is there to inform that a secondary option has been used inplace of the preferred. Developers are very lazy and during the building
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> of an application throw thousands of messages to the aplication's log. Often it's to trace an issue, and when the issue is resolved, they don't remove the messages because things are now working, why risk breaking it again.
[18:14] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: not really. The error message keeps printing directly after launching chrome. I don't do anything yet.
[18:15] <Guest99> Without doing anything, just keep chrome open, the error messages are printing forever.
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: I'm not about to go into the hundreds of thousands of things that could trigger that particular handler. Program routines are reused and referenced throughout a program. It could be used to draw the address bar at the top of the window for anyone knows
[18:16] <Guest99> ok, I just want to get rid of those messages. that's all. thanks a lot for the explanation.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> even blink the cursor. The authors of the application did not intend for you to open that in terminal. Its being done so when you ask for support, you can provide information from the applications own debugger, which will include that information.
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> you can't get rid of the message. you can turn off the feature, which then leads to a less than ideal experience. In your case, the CPU is now likely rendering the web pages, instead of the GPU, which takes up other system resources
[18:19] <Guest99> But I think webgpu never works in chrome + amd. I just checked my other laptops with amd cpu, the vulkan and webgpu in chrome are also disabled. I never saw it's working.
[18:20] <Guest99> I mean in linux. Other laptops are running debian though.
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: before making unfounded accusations like that, I'd suggest you read up and become knowledgeable on the topic. All these things, Vulkan, WebGPU and more are under active development. Always improving and fixing. What was true yesterday is only an update away from being untrue today
[18:27] <newbieserver> Running Ubuntu server 22.04.03 LTS - I am replacing two data drives (hdd) - but after doing so the computer only boots into emergency mode. more details are here https://pastebin.com/LNjmS13c
[18:28] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: well, before posting, I checked https://github.com/gpuweb/gpuweb/wiki/Implementation-Status, it shows webgpu is not supported in linux. I don't know if other people make it work or not. but I never see it's working in my laptops.
[18:29] <newbieserver> So as the pastebin says after commenting out all the data hard drives in /etc/fstab - the computer boots normally
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: where did you source the UUIDs from?
[18:30] <leftyfb> Guest99: wait, so you read that webgpu isn't supported in linux. You know how to disable it and the messages. So what exactly are you looking for again?
[18:30] <newbieserver> pragmaticenigma, I used ssh to connect via my Fedora terminal and ran $sudo blkid
[18:31] <newbieserver> brb sorry
[18:35] <newbieserver> so this is my plan I am going to reconnect one data drive at a time - if computer boots normally I will add the drive back to /etc/fstab
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: Are you running Ubuntu or Fedora?
[18:35] <newbieserver> Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS server
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: okay, you need to attch the drives without the defined UUID, and look up the new UUID values that are assigned in the new system
[18:36] <newbieserver> that's my plan
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: you just said you copied them over from Fedora... which won't work
[18:38] <Guest99> leftyfb: What I am looking for it's to get rid of those error messages. In my first post, I said I didn't know what causes the error message, it might because of gpu driver. I am not a browser or gpu developer, so I don't know the details. After searching and trials, in the end, I figured out those error messages are caused by vulkan is enabled in
[18:38] <Guest99> google-chrome-stable by default, but webgpu doesn't work. So to fix it, either enable webgpu somehow or disable vulkan. I just knew all these information in the end. So in the beginning of my previous posts, I have no ideas how to get rid of those error messages.
[18:39] <newbieserver> well I had used an ssh terminal on Fedora to connect to the Ubuntu server - and ran blkid on the Ubuntu server so I think the UUIDs are valid
[18:39] <newbieserver> but I will let you know
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: okay you're confusing everything with the involvement and mentioning of Fedora
[18:39] <newbieserver> ok .. sorry
[18:40] <newbieserver> my apologies - when I get the emergency mode thing I'm at a loss
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: It's because you're not being patient and jumping to just trying things before anyone has a chance to help you figure out what it is you are doing
[18:42] <leftyfb> Guest99: [13:04:02] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:42] <leftyfb> Guest99: do you still need help?
[18:45] <Guest99> leftyfb: no. I am just being polite to answer people's doubts. It's 03:00am. I really need to sleep. But since people keep talking to me, so I am replying. Sorry that if anything I said is unclear. I am not a native english speaker.
[18:45] <newbieserver> sorry pragmaticenigma ... too much caffeine today
[18:46] <ioria> Guest99, have you tried (on a test machine) to update mesa, vulkan et. etc. with not standard versions ?
[18:47] <Guest99> ioria: how to update mesa, vulkan with not standard versions? I don't really get it. thanks.
[18:47] <ioria> Guest99, with a PPA, for example
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: 3rd party PPAs move this out of our ability to support them. Please don't suggest that
[18:48] <ioria> i know, that's why i said 'on a test machine'
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> newbieserver: What is needed from you is some information about what you are trying to do. a listing of the block devices on your systen. ideally a proposed fstab file that you would like to use.
[18:49] <Guest99> ioria: I haven't tried that. So far, I am happy to see those error messages are gone. I think I will simply live with it and keep updating the system. Hopefully, one day, vulkan and webgpu will work in linux. :)
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> Guest99: Or launch the application as the developers intended. The launcher probably does all that for you to find you the best experience.
[18:54] <Guest99> pragmaticenigma: thanks for the tip. I just checked "/usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop". It's simply "Exec=/usr/bin/google-chrome-stable %U". No extra flags. I think it's the same as calling google-chrome-stable. I am just used to using command line launching. I will consider your suggestion. Thanks a lot.
[18:55] <ioria> the point is, i guess, if  chrome is using hardware acceleration or not, right ?
[18:55] <Guest99> for me, I just don't want to see those errors.
[18:56] <leftyfb> Guest99: [13:04:02] <Guest99> OK, If I disable vulkan with "--disable-features=Vulkan", the error message will not be printed.
[18:56] <Guest99> ioria: is your browser using webgpu? does it work in your place?
[18:59] <ioria> Guest99, you mean this e.g. : https://threejs.org/examples/?q=webgpu#webgpu_backdrop
[18:59] <newbieserver> OK I checked the UUIDs for the data drives against the values in /etc/fstab and they are correct so all drives are connected and the error messages vanished. Sorry to have wasted your time.
[18:59]  * pragmaticenigma *shrugs* probably a typo
[19:00] <dob1> hi, any idea why alacritty is not defined in terminfo ?
[19:00] <dob1> alacritty installed via snap
[19:01] <ioria> Guest99, it works fine in ff
[19:01] <Guest99> ioria: sorry, no. I mean if webgpu Hardware accelerated in your browser or not. I checked my firefox. it's not hardware accelerated by default. anyway.
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> dob1: It may have something to do with it being installed as a snap. but overall, this is a volunteer channel, you'd have to ask the maintainers of terminfo why it's not included in their definitions.
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> dob1: or file a bug with Ubuntu to get things raised up the channels
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> !bug | dob1
[19:02] <Guest99> I gotta sleep now. thank you all for the help.
[19:04] <dob1> pragmaticenigma: ok thanks
[19:40] <SuperLag> If you're installing Server, and you pick the option to install third-party drivers, does it take care of blacklisting the nouveau drivers for you? or do you still have to that yourself later?
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> SuperLag: I haven't seen a need to block any driver when proprietary/3rd party ones are installed. If you have a system that is preferring the opensource over the 3rd party drivers, I would investigate that as a bug, or that the hardware lookup for the 3rd party driver does not include the target device.
[21:34] <dutly> is it safe to disable secureboot for dual booting because when i dual boot ubuntu and windows , windows will go into recovery when i try to boot it again
[21:34] <dutly> i think its because secureboot
[21:35] <dutly> nvm. i think im just going to use ubuntu only
[21:35] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: It's a matter of opinion. I do not have secure boot enabled on my machines, as they do not travel anywhere. And I have a private residence. If it was a laptop that I took different places, then I would enable it
[21:36] <dutly> ok
[21:36] <dutly> what is secure boot for anyways
[21:37] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: mostly to help identify if something has altered the machine to load root kits, or other pre-boot malware
[21:37] <dutly> oh ok
[21:38] <dutly> im just going to leave it on then and try xubuntu only. windows is kind of boring
[21:56] <AngryTom> Why not Gnome?
[21:59] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: To whom or what are you asking about?
[21:59] <bprompt> dutly:  you can disable it, sure, will work fine in dual-boot
[22:00] <AngryTom> @dutly
[22:00] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: That's not a support topic. What a person chooses for their system is a personal decision.
[22:00] <pragmaticenigma> AngryTom: Also Gnome is a Desktop Environment, not an Operating System
[22:01] <AngryTom> so is Xfce
[22:01] <AngryTom> are you a noob?
[22:03] <pragmaticenigma> !guidelines | AngryTom, please remember you agreed to these when you joined the channel:
[22:05] <bprompt> AngryTom: still a personal choice, sorta like music, once you think yours is Da best, your sibling can't stand it
[22:10] <sem> I am trying to enable the Ubuntu "Startup Sound" from days of old on my lubuntu system. Many online guides say that the soundfile is something like /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg However I don't have this file, perhaps since I am on lubuntu. Is there an easy way to download this file or other files that should be present on a default ubuntu install?
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> sem, You can browse around http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ to see if it's in there, or just download one of the ISO images and extract the sound file from there.
[22:15] <sem> where would I find it in the iso, or would I have to install it / spin up the live cd?
[22:17] <pragmaticenigma> sem: The ISO should have the same directory structure as an installed system. I would expect to find it in the same location.
[22:18] <sem> ok cool thanks
[22:28] <sem> I found them here, thanks! http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-sounds/
[22:36] <pragmaticenigma> nice!
[23:01] <dutly> does mantic use wire or pulseaudio? which one?
[23:01] <guiverc> sem, you didn't mention release (that I can see), but ubuntu-sounds exists for all releases ; https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/all/ubuntu-sounds/filelist shows what's in it for noble (my release)
[23:03] <guiverc> dutly, flavors can vary as i understand it; some switched to pipewire for 23.04 & later, but I'm not sure all did for 23.10
[23:03] <dutly> ah ok
[23:04] <dutly> trying to figure out if i should install easyeffects or pulseeffects
[23:04] <dutly> but im on xubuntu so not a ubuntu question
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> dutly: If you run `ps -e | grep pipewire` and get results, you have pipewire running on your system
[23:05] <dutly> ok thanks
[23:06] <dutly> yep pipewire
[23:06] <dutly> easyeffects then
[23:51] <genn> help firfox ist not responding
[23:51] <genn> it dosent works
[23:51] <leftyfb> genn: what release of ubuntu?
[23:53] <dutly> start it with terminal
[23:54] <genn> how?
[23:54] <dutly> type firefox in terminal
[23:55] <dutly> it works like that for some reason
[23:55] <leftyfb> genn: lets start with specifics of your system:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:55] <genn> i will try
[23:56] <genn> where kann i found this inforation
[23:56] <genn> i new in this uuntu world
[23:56] <leftyfb> genn: open a terminal and paste this there:    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:59] <genn> it not working
[23:59] <leftyfb> define not working
[23:59] <genn> zusätzlicher Operand »apt-cache“
[23:59] <genn> „uname --help“ liefert weitere Informationen.
[23:59] <genn> https://termbin.com/3d7h
[23:59] <leftyfb>    ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a apt-cache policy firefox ; snap list firefox ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:59] <leftyfb> ah, my fault
[23:59] <genn> zusätzlicher Operand »apt-cache“
[23:59] <genn> „uname --help“ liefert weitere Informationen.
[23:59] <genn> https://termbin.com/3d7h
[23:59] <leftyfb> sorry about that


[01:25] <viewer|35910> Help i am trying to install Kubuntu and it told me fatal error in installing grub2
[01:25] <viewer|35910> I am using my phone to chat.
[06:30] <somnath>  I freshly installed ubuntu 17.04 and now i am strugglling to use my wifi. The options are not showing at all. I tried going through multiple post and using that to fix but no use. Plese he
[06:30] <somnath> *Please help.
[06:32] <valorie> ubuntu, or kubuntu?
[06:32] <somnath> Ubuntu
[06:32] <valorie> you need #ubuntu then
[06:32] <somnath> thanks
[06:32] <valorie> best of luck!
[07:02] <sigma_> hi guys. im trying to use kubuntu 17.04 on a touchscreen laptop. looking for a virtual keyboard which I can use - i see that kvkkd (something like that) does not exist anymore so what are my kde options?
[07:03] <sigma_> oh and ive updated to plasma 5.10. i tried installing the "ubuntu-keyboard" package but that did not seem to do anything when i clicked on text fields afterwards
[07:05] <valorie> hmmm, there is some options
[07:05] <valorie> maybe ask in #plasma during euro-work hours?
[07:05] <valorie> or search the kde store
[07:05] <valorie> which discover will do
[07:06] <valorie> sorry, just going offline
[07:32] <sigma_> thanks I will use onboard for now. hope the built in plasma keyboard goes mainstream soon
[08:50] <BigFatche> bonjour à tous, je cherche une aide pour l'installation d'un jeu qui me causse probleme a mon niveau de debutant
[08:51] <BluesKaj> !fr | BigFatche
[08:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:52] <johnapt> Hello there, I'm using the latest KDE from Kubuntu backports ppa and I'm having an issue with locales. I want to have American English as my preferred display language and Greek for "formats" but when I set Greek, KDE overrides the LANG env var and set it to Greek, unlike other DE, as a result software that relies on this var, doesn’t have the right display language, in this case should be English. For example when you ru
[10:52] <johnapt> n software as root, such as apt, when asks you for confirmation should display [Y/n] but now is [N/o] and kde’s authentication popup is in Greek. Is it a bug or something am I missing here?
[12:11] <mint7> test
[12:11] <oerheks> JACK why those multiple inlogs ??
[12:11] <oerheks> you have been banned before
[12:13] <thyriaen> where can i configure that i want my menu bar with the clock etc on my other ( main monitor ? )
[12:36] <viewer|22775> hi Guys
[12:36] <viewer|22775> hope all good
[12:37] <viewer|22775> i am facing an issue to share some files/folders with a mac os, i am getting access right error message even if all the rights are ok
[12:37] <viewer|22775> any advice please ?
[12:38] <viewer|22775> (all is on a local network, and all ports are openned)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> viewer|22775, I missed your question, just arrived
[12:45] <viewer|22775> Hi BluesKaj
[12:45] <viewer|22775> i am facing an issue to share some files/folders with a mac os, i am getting access right error message even if all the rights are ok
[12:46] <BluesKaj> ssh? samba? smb?
[12:46] <viewer|22775> smb
[12:47] <viewer|22775> i can access to the folders, but cannot get the content (an error message is displayed, no enought rights)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> i used to share files with an Imac using ssh. I presume the mac shares are enabled
[12:49] <viewer|22775> yes it is
[12:51] <BluesKaj> asume you had acces to these files previously
[12:52] <viewer|22775> no
[12:53] <BluesKaj> iirc mac has different permission levels for other user access
[12:56] <BluesKaj> iles owned by root vs files owned by the user
[12:56] <BluesKaj> files
[16:30] <ZetFury> Hi, I have an issue with ubuntu/kde, after a few days the panel starts to glitch, especially task mananger. The only thing that solves it is to reboot, anyone else had this issue?
[19:10] <calcmandan> the KDE instant messaging app, for some reason, can't go online once i add my google talk account profile. anyone seeing the same issue?
[22:39] <Miles> Hey, I need some help


[13:32] <studio-user596> posso installare flash player
[13:32] <cfhowlett> !flash | studio-user596
[14:03] <studio-user25> Holy crap! Was looking for some midi and other adio help on Ubuntu 16.04.....
[14:04] <studio-user25> Are any poeple other than bots here?
[14:05] <studio-user25> Going for a smoke.. Be back in 5 or so...
[17:04] <studio-user535> Helo!, my name is Alfonso, it's a new in the world to Ubuntu Studio.
[17:06] <studio-user535> I'm install Ubuntu studio in my pc.
[17:06] <studio-user535> Just one question : IF and irc Ubuntu studio in spanish or french?
[22:18] <ryanpcmcquen> Thank you to all the Ubuntu Studio devs, this is an awesome distro!
[22:25] <marxyz> Hello
[22:48] <marxyz> Still no one ...?
[23:47] <studio-user603> test


[13:51] <nirmal> hii.
[13:52] <nirmal> i just installed ubuntu. how can i give permission to write in the main directory.??!