[05:08] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) Jucato: compile seamonkey! :)
[05:08] (Jucato/#kubuntu) nani?
[05:08] (Jucato/#kubuntu) er.. I mean "what"?
[05:09] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) Ha ha
[05:09] (DaSkreech/#kubuntu) se7en^Of^9: Lies!
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Jucato: No seamonkey on Ubuntu :-P
[05:09] <Jucato> yeah. I never use seamonkey...
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Yeah apparently no one uses a *buntu box does
[05:11] <smax> hi
[05:11] <Goop2> I compiled Firefox once.. its really not hard
[05:11] <Goop2> even I can do it
[05:11] <Goop2> =P
[05:11] <smax> Goop2:  why would you want to compiler it over apt-get ?
[05:12] <Goop2> I wanted the newer version
[05:12] <ubunturos> Goop2: Firefox 3?
[05:12] <Goop2> FF2
[05:12] <Goop2> then I was told it was in the respos
[05:13] <sitaram> hello all; is there a dpkg/apt* command/option that can give me the install-time of each package on the system, or is parsing the log files the only way?  Couldn't find an answer in the man pages/docs
[05:14] <ardchoille> !info firefox
[05:14] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>+1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9045 kB, installed size 28668 kB
[05:14] <Zelut> sitaram: I have looked for the same and from what I can tell dpkg doesn't support that.
[05:15] <Zelut> sitaram: I wish it did, as I've used it quite a bit with rpm (rpm -qi)
[05:15] <sitaram> Zelut: thanks for confirming my suspicions -- always helps to ask in case I missed something!
[05:15] <Sivananda> Jucato: Hmm... looks like folks there are more interested in arguing over linux vs micro vs mac right now...
[05:16] <sitaram> actually I like "rpm -qa --last" -- very little known but lovely option :-)
[05:16] <Goop2> I like both Linux AND Mac
[05:16] <Jucato> just wait for the storm to die down. eventually an op will tell them that it's offtopic
[05:16] <Jucato> !offtopic
[05:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:16] <Jucato> like that
[05:16] <Zelut> Goop2: and I run linux on a mac :)
[05:16] <Goop2> Zelut: sweetness. I want to do that
[05:17] <Zelut> Goop2: kubuntu 7.10 beta on my macbook, ubuntu 7.04 on my wifes imac
[05:17] <smax> does anyone  have a link to install an nvidia card on feisty fawn?
[05:17] <Jucato> !nvidia | smax
[05:17] <ubotu> smax: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:18] <smax> thanx
[05:19] <Goop2> I read that ATi has Linux support now
[05:20] <ubunturos> would 8.04 have facilities to directly upgrade from 6.06? (just curious)
[05:20] <Zelut> ubunturos: yes
[05:20] <Jucato> ubunturos: most probably yes
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Goop2: We shall see
[05:22] <scheater6> I thought upgrades were only supported from one version to the next, and skipping one or more releases required upgrading through them all, i.e. Dapper->Edgy->Feisty, etc
[05:23] <Zelut> scheater6: normally yes, but for LTS to LTS they do plan an upgrade path.
[05:23] <Zelut> ...at least that is what they said at Ubuntu Live
[05:24] <Jucato> scheater6: it's a different case for LTS I think
[05:24] <scheater6> IC.  Thank you
[05:24] <bazhang> Zelut: any issues with sound on your Macbook and Gutsy?
[05:24] <DaSkreech> sitaram: try man:/dpkg
[05:25] <Zelut> bazhang: uhm, hardware mute button doesn't completely mute.  that's the only bug I've reported on the matter
[05:25] <scheater6> Zelut: does it "partially mute," that is, drop the volume?
[05:25] <bazhang> Zelut: so full sound works otherwise?
[05:25] <masterylab> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[05:25] <Zelut> scheater6: it *almost* mutes. It's very, very faint but not completely muted.
[05:25] <DaSkreech> scheater6: I'll believe it when I see it but that's the plan :)
[05:26] <Zelut> scheater6: theory is on the bug report that its muting the wrong channel or something.
[05:26] <Zelut> bazhang: listening to some streaming .ogg with amarok now.
[05:26] <scheater6> Zelut: I had a similar problem with a Dell on Edgy and before.  It was in fact muting the wrong channel.  Muting PCM, I believe
[05:27] <Zelut> I need to update my post on installing on a macbook.  A number of things have been fixed since my original
[05:28] <Zelut> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook is generally pretty good though.
[05:29] <bazhang> Zelut: sweet. did you need to do anything special to set up sound?
[05:29] <Zelut> bazhang: on 7.10? no.
[05:29] <Zelut> iSight camera still doesn't work out of the box still though
[05:29] <Zelut> ..that's about the only thing
[05:29] <bazhang> Zelut: thanks tons..
[05:30] <Zelut> it can be made to work, just not out of the box yet.
[05:30] <Zelut> bazhang: I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment (or I just really am addicted to bugs).  I run pretty much perpetual alpha/beta on this machine.
[05:30] <scheater6> Zelut: how about wifi?  I believe I read you have to have madwifi?  So not exactly "out-of-the-box- but nearly so?
[05:31] <bazhang> Zelut: so going to Hardy Heron when it comes out?
[05:31] <Zelut> scheater6: uhm, actually you I didn't think about that. madwifi works pretty good, but also not working right away.  I've succumbed to the ndiswrapper yet again.
[05:32] <Zelut> bazhang: most likely. someone has to squash the bugs before they get to the rest of ya'll
[05:32] <bazhang> Zelut: haha thanks.
[05:33] <scheater6> Zelut: eh, better ndiswrapper than nothing at all.  I calm my conscious by reason that I did buy the driver after all.  Thanks for the info - I'm probably buying a macbook soon.
[05:33] <Zelut> ..plus, running stable is just no fun. no surprises. everything just works.
[05:33] <ardchoille> Zelut: Some of us like it that way
[05:33] <Zelut> scheater6: might want to watch my blog for a new tutorial on installing for the macbook.  http://ubuntu-tutorials.com
[05:34] <Zelut> ardchoille: yeah, and it is nice for most people.. just for me--I need something to do :)
[05:34] <bazhang> thanks for the link!
[05:35] <Zelut> bazhang: I've only recently gone to KDE so expect more Kubuntu related posts soon, but the previous are fairly gnome specific.
[05:35] <scheater6> Zelut: good deal.
[05:35] <Jucato> Zelut: btw, regarding your plan on making a tutorial for upgrading from Kubuntu Feisty to Gutsy, please note that if they are going to do it manually, you need "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends"
[05:35] <Zelut> Jucato: is that required with aptitude as well? I never use apt-get anymore
[05:36] <Jucato> afaik not w/ aptitude. it installs recommends by default
[05:36] <ardchoille> Zelut: Nice link that
[05:36] <Jucato> but you might note the apt-get way too. it's a tutorial anyway :)
[05:36] <Jucato> Zelut: and if you're interested as well, there's a GUI way too :)
[05:37] <Zelut> Jucato: in gnome I'd suggest 'gksudo update-manager -c -d'
[05:37] <Zelut> Jucato: is that much different for adept/kde?
[05:37] <Jucato> yep
[05:37] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[05:38] <ardchoille> Zelut: One of the problems with plain "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" is that if the newer release had apps the old release didn't have, you didn't get them during the upgrade and you probably won't know what to search for in the repos.
[05:38] <Jucato> Zelut: we don't have update-manager (the GNOME app) so Adept must be upgraded to a version that supports that feature
[05:38] <Zelut> perfect
[05:38] <ardchoille> Zelut: I have been told upgrading via adept takes care of that
[05:39] <Jucato> ardchoille: dist-upgrade installs new apps as long as they are dependencies. the --install-recommends takes care of those that arent' depends but are recommends
[05:39] <Jucato> for gutsy, there was a sort of refactoring of the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, hence the need for --install-recommends in apt-get
[05:39] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah, I like that --install-recommends option
[05:39] <Zelut> ardchoille: i've always done the aptitude update ; upgrade ; dist-upgrade (or safe-upgrade ; full-upgrade now)
[05:40] <Zelut> but the gui option does seem a bit smarter/cleaner
[05:41] <ardchoille> I've never used adept for upgrading. The only two times I upgraded (using apt-get and then aptitude) it broke almost everything. I just do clean installs now cuz I got it down to about ten minutes in front of the computer thanks to bash scripts.
[05:41] <Jucato> but it's still younger compared to the update-manager.. so sometimes there are a few rough edges
[05:42] <Zelut> i'm off to bed ya'll.
[05:42] <ardchoille> g'night
[05:43] <ardchoille> I think that site is a great idea.. nice to have easy-to-follow tutorials
[05:45] <DaSkreech> NIght
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Hey can you install source from adept ?
[05:46] <Jucato> nope
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Any plans for it?
[05:46] <Jucato> dunno. ask the devs
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Just occurred to me there is a source repo in the preferences but no way to make use of them
[05:48] <vez> what is the easiest way to compile c++ with g++?
[05:48] <hydrogen> g++ file -o object
[05:48] <hydrogen> IIRC
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Or gcc which will call g++
[05:49] <hydrogen> not always
[05:49] <hydrogen> you should call g++ on c++ files
[05:49] <hydrogen> and gcc on c files
[05:49] <vez> right so any are the headers the same as in win
[05:49] <vez> windows
[05:49] <hydrogen> some are
[05:50] <hydrogen> not all
[05:50] <Jucato> as long as you use the standard ones, they should be the same
[05:50] <vez> kk
[05:55] <intelikey> ah man it really tic's me off.
[05:56] <intelikey> i know it shouldn't do that.  but it does.
[05:56] <vez> oh haha
[05:57] <vez> I thought gcc would be installed but I dont think it is :p
[05:57] <intelikey> no
[05:57] <Jucato> vez: install build-essential
[05:57] <vez> Im new
[05:57] <intelikey> !b-e | vez
[05:57] <ubotu> vez: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:58] <ubunturos> vez: you'll probaly find the package on the Live CD too
[05:58] <intelikey> why does every one ASSUME that if you don't use a gui then the box MUST BE HEADLESS ???
[05:58] <intelikey> i just went trolling on efnet #ubuntu  ....
[05:59] <Jucato> there's a different #ubuntu channel on a different server? kool
[05:59] <intelikey> Jucato it's pretty small.
[05:59] <intelikey> Jucato there was a ubuntu channel on all irc servers by the time warty released...
[06:00] <Jucato> smaller = less traffic = less rules :)
[06:00] <intelikey> yeah.  less help too
[06:00] <Jucato> but apparently != nicer people
[06:00] <Jucato> heheh
[06:00] <intelikey> Jucato actually they were nice enough.   errr shoot,  you got me....
[06:00] <intelikey> man i should have seen that comming.
[06:00] <Jucato> :P
[06:01] <intelikey> ;/
[06:01] <intelikey> i do not C that
[06:02] <Jucato> you can C++ that though
[06:02] <intelikey> oh was it ++ specific....    see i didn't know enough to catch that.
[06:03] <Jucato>  // comments are C++
[06:03] <Jucato>  /* this is C and offtopic */
[06:03] <Les_Caesars> does anyone here know how to raise the history cap on kickoff from 0 to something higher than 0?
[06:03] <intelikey> i really probably should learn a little C / C++    but i doubt i will.
[06:03] <Jucato> intelikey: what do you need it for? you have Perl for everything you need right now :)
[06:03] <intelikey> lol
[06:04] <Jucato> all that's left is for you to have a Perl-based OS/kernel... there's a Perl-based toolkit already so a GUI isn't far behind :P
[06:04] <Jucato> anyway.. really lunch
[06:04] <intelikey> k
[06:04] <Jucato> Les_Caesars: just a guess, you could probably ask in #opensuse or #opensuse-kde about that since it's their product
[06:05] <Les_Caesars> Jucato: they just tell me to f-off because I use Kubuntu
[06:05] <Jucato> how nice hahaha
[06:05] <intelikey> are you sure that was suse and not debian ?
[06:06] <vez> k so it say's in adept manager that gcc is installed and this is the error when I try to use.
[06:06] <vez> ~/Desktop/c++$ g++ C++_learn_1 -o
[06:06] <KevlarSoul> Okay I installed the Alternate CD without a hitch, or so the percentage bars and reboot prompt told me....when I rebooted, grub is fine, but then black screen...is there a way I can get into the terminal and update the installation? Is there a way to get to terminal from the ALternate CD install screen, and get it to install the updates from online?
[06:06] <vez> The program 'g++' can be found in the following packages:
[06:06] <vez>  * g++
[06:06] <vez>  * pentium-builder
[06:06] <vez> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[06:06] <vez> Make sure you have the 'universe' component enabled
[06:06] <vez> bash: g++: command not found
[06:06] <Jucato> !paste | vez
[06:06] <ubotu> vez: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:06] <vez> whoops
[06:06] <Les_Caesars> intelikey: heh. Is debian's IRC channel that way too?
[06:06] <intelikey> this is alwo a small flood
[06:06] <intelikey> Les_Caesars maybe worse.
[06:07] <intelikey> Les_Caesars it can be as bad as #perl some times.
[06:07] <Jucato> vez: did you install "build-essential" like you were told too?
[06:07] <Les_Caesars> oh man. I've never been in perl
[06:07] <vez> ya i tryed
[06:07] <Jucato> vez: also, you need to put a file name after -o
[06:07] <intelikey> Jucato yeah.  that's the only reason i haven't.
[06:07] <Jucato> vez: like "g++ file.cpp -o filename_you_want_the_executable_to_be_called"
[06:08] <vez> install: missing destination file operand after `build-essential' Try `install --help' for more information.
[06:08] <Jucato> vez: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:09] <vez> man sry noobing around guys ;)
[06:09] <intelikey> !b-e | vez one more time.   maybe you really should have a look on this page.
[06:09] <ubotu> vez one more time.   maybe you really should have a look on this page.: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:11] <bazhang> how many nicks can this server handle?
[06:11] <KevlarSoul>  Is there an issue with 64bit systems and 8800 GTX?
[06:11] <fawx> whut does it mean by (dummy package) for wine?
[06:11] <Jucato> bazhang: you'll have to ask #freenode people
[06:12] <bazhang> Jucato: hi! and thanks!
[06:12] <intelikey> KevlarSoul the bug reports should reveil that
[06:12] <Jucato> bye! :)
[06:12] <intelikey> would you just go eat    and stop baby setting the channel
[06:14] <intelikey> fawx a dummy package   also known as a meta package   doesn't contain any files   they normally have and/or fill dependancies tho.
[06:15] <intelikey> fawx thus installing the meta package   ubuntu-desktop  would install also every thing that that package depends on.   for a list   do   apt-cache show <package-name>
[06:16] <fawx> oh..
[06:18] <fawx> so do i need the development files for wine
[06:18] <fawx> ?
[06:18] <fawx> i tried the list thing..
[06:18] <purpleposeidon> My laptop suffers ocasional wifi outages, how can I fix this?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> list thing?
[06:18] <intelikey> fawx only if you need them.      i know that sounds cyrcular...
[06:19] <intelikey> fawx i mean if something asks for them.  install them
[06:19] <fawx> mmk? ::still lost::
[06:19] <fawx> ok
[06:20] <intelikey> Dr_willis apt-cache show blah
[06:20] <intelikey> on a meta package ^
[06:22] <intelikey> oh my.  is anyone elses  dpkg.log  -gt 2m  ???
[06:22] <dorkface> Hi all, is there a list of absolutely necessary startup programs, so I can start from that list and work from there?
[06:22] <dorkface> since my laptop isn't the fastest in the world...,
[06:23] <DaSkreech> dorkface: the kernel... maybe bash
[06:23] <intelikey> dorkface you want to strip it to the minimal ?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> I find ubuntu decently speedy on my rather low end laptop.
[06:23] <DaSkreech> !info ubuntu-minimal
[06:23] <ubotu> ubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.43 (feisty), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[06:23] <intelikey> DaSkreech heh lets not forget libc6  and  init and mount and .....
[06:23] <Dr_willis> dont install any services ya dont need i guess. :) not sure what else youmight want to remove.
[06:23] <dorkface> just for startup
[06:24] <dorkface> so it willl login faster
[06:24] <Dr_willis> login faster? or BOOT faster?
[06:24] <vez> is there a c++ support room??
[06:24] <dorkface> login
[06:24] <intelikey> vez it's called   #C++   i think
[06:24] <Dr_willis> well if kde is taking a long time to load.. You might want to try a different window manager.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> or roll your own tweaked fluxbox + a few select kde parts.
[06:25] <intelikey> blackbox  :)
[06:25] <dorkface> it's not taking too long, I just wanted to see if I could optimize it
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Matchbox
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:25] <dorkface> ah
[06:25] <DaSkreech> #cplusplus
[06:25] <ardchoille> dorkface: The best way to have a really fast login is to not log out unless an upgrade requires it
[06:25] <Dr_willis> its always tweakable.. :) but  you may have to do some reading on the innerds of kde.
[06:26] <intelikey> dorkface i would start by turning off the things you don't have to have    i.e. in the startup process...
[06:26] <dorkface> that's what my first question was :)  I wanted to know what NOT to turn off, so I didn't mess up anything
[06:27] <dorkface> I guess it is a left over habit from windows
[06:27] <intelikey> Dr_willis you wont see it all there.   remember /etc/X11/* and /etc/kde*/*
[06:27] <BillyBeans> hey is dovecot easy to install?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> !info dovecot
[06:27] <ubotu> Package dovecot does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Guess not :)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> dorkface: It's a different ball game in Linux
[06:28] <intelikey> dorkface better question might be "how can i undo this if/when i do break something"  :)
[06:28] <dorkface> hehe
[06:28] <intelikey> dorkface make a backup first and if needed restore it.
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Out side of the Kernel and maybe bash you can strip pretty much anything you want
[06:29] <dorkface> ah
[06:29] <hydrogen> well, and you know.. a libc
[06:29] <genii> busybox is good
[06:29] <Dr_willis> its always fun taking some minimal window manager, and adding in stuff you like.    fluxbox, +idesk, + conky,
[06:30] <intelikey> cheers genii
[06:31] <BillyBeans> i am setting up a mta with kubuntu, which imap server should i use?
[06:31] <intelikey> i'm quite fond of floppy disk distros    "blueFlops"   "basicLinux"   and the like....
[06:32] <genii> fli4l, linuxrouter,toms root boot, etc
[06:32] <dorkface> intelikey :I don't know, floppy drives are getting harder and harder to find, hehe.
[06:32] <intelikey> linuxrouter ummm  :)
[06:33] <genii> intelikey: I think it evolved into coyote
[06:33] <intelikey> dorkface need a few i have plenty.   i still have both 5.25 and 3.5 drives in every box.
[06:33] <Yorokobi> BillyBeans, Postfix + Dovecot for SMTP and POP3/IMAP, respectively
[06:33] <intelikey> genii i still have a copy of it when it was linuxrouter tho
[06:33] <genii> intelikey: LOL me too
[06:35] <genii> dorkface: C64 games?
[06:35] <dorkface> first one is apple IIe, second one was dos
[06:35] <dorkface> played it on an PC built from, of all companies, ATT
[06:36] <hydrogen> Blockout is still the best version of 3d tetris I've played
[06:36] <dorkface> ack, stupid seven key button doesn't work
[06:36] <hydrogen> and thats a 5.25 disc
[06:36] <genii> dorkface: I remember they used to have same game on 1 5 1/4, 1 side Apple, other side C64
[06:36] <BillyBeans> i have postfix setup
[06:36] <BillyBeans> is dovecot hard to setup?
[06:36] <dorkface> genii : wow, I didn't know they could do that
[06:36] <genii> dorkface: They had to have 2 notches
[06:37] <BillyBeans> sudo apt-get install dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d
[06:37] <genii> But I'm wandering OT :)
[06:37] <_2> i'm back.
[06:37] <hydrogen> yay!
[06:37] <hydrogen> this channel wasn't the same
[06:37] <hydrogen> without you
[06:37] <Tm_T> oh noes! root!
[06:38] <intelikey> who be's root'n ?
[06:38] <hydrogen> I'm rootin!
[06:38] <Tm_T> 0737 -!- _2 is "root"
[06:38] <hydrogen> ur box!
[06:38] <intelikey> Tm_T read again.  that's   UN_root
[06:38] <intelikey> lol
[06:38] <Tm_T> intelikey: your realname ;-P
[06:39] <intelikey> heh  makes you wonder doesn't it ...
[06:39] <intelikey> | intelikey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Network)
[06:39] <intelikey> : ircname  : root
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> so i'm considering gentoo
[06:40] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido gopher it.
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> sorry, couldn't keep a straight face there
[06:40] <hydrogen> topic!
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps eventually, and certainly only on this machine (i would hate to even attempt it on the laptop
[06:41] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i was kinda hoping you were serious...   so if i deside to try gentoo i'd have some one i could quiz about it....
[06:42] <hydrogen> i'm quizabble
[06:42] <hydrogen> I was a gentoo junkie for way too long
[06:42] <hydrogen> and still maintain my own ricer partition :)
[06:42] <intelikey> yeah but you don't like me....
[06:42] <intelikey> it's a joke.      :)
[06:44] <hydrogen> no its not!
[06:44] <intelikey> hydrogen are partitions required for installing gentoo ?
[06:44] <intelikey> heh
[06:44] <hydrogen> hmm
[06:44] <hydrogen> I'd say a partition is
[06:44] <bazhang> greetings all
[06:44] <hydrogen> but I suppose you could make it work without one
[06:45] <hydrogen> it'd just be a crazy adventure/exploration
[06:45] <hydrogen> I wouldn't try it
[06:45] <intelikey> oh,  well if they aren't required i wouldn't use one.
[06:45] <intelikey> bazhang
[06:45] <bazhang> intelikey: hi!
[06:46] <intelikey> hydrogen i went trolling on efnet #ubuntu just a while ago,  and mentioned not haveing any partitions,   i get the strangest remarks from that....
[06:47] <hydrogen> haha :)
[06:47] <bazhang> way off topic here--but if Kubuntu and Ubuntu are going to have effects by default, then is it off-topic to talk about effects in #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu-effects--sorry if that's too meta.
[06:48] <intelikey> bazhang i wouldn't think so.  but i'm not the one with the say so on that.
[06:48] <Les_Caesars> !kickoff
[06:48] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> efnet has an #ubuntu?
[06:48] <bazhang> intelikey: ok thanks.
[06:48] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido wy yes
[06:49] <intelikey> bazhang intelikey rule of thumb on that kind of thing.  if it's default, it's on topic.
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> not an official channel, i hope, as efnet has the reputation of being full of wankers et al
[06:49] <intelikey> if it was installed by default it's on topic  maybe i should say
[06:49] <bazhang> intelikey: good to know; thanks very much.
[06:50] <hydrogen> and if its not default.. its on topic as long as you arn't that blatent about it!
[06:50] <dorkface> is there a default mouse gestures program in kubuntu?
[06:50] <hydrogen> which is why we regularly end up discussing "the good old days" of 5.25 inch floppy discs and 3.5 inch floppy ... ANYWAYS
[06:50] <dorkface> hehe
[06:50] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido heh  indeed.    not official but a support channel none the less.     there is on   most if not   all  irc networks.
[06:50] <hydrogen> dorkface: kde has mouse gesture support globally
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> 5.25?
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> youngster
[06:51] <dorkface> ah
[06:51] <hydrogen> oh
[06:51] <hydrogen> and an 8" or two
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> 8" floppies ftw :D
[06:51] <hydrogen> those don't come up as often however
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i miss bernoulli disks
[06:51] <dorkface> was just going to say that :)
[06:51] <hydrogen> Nothing beats when we used to store our data on record's :/
[06:52] <dorkface> LPs?
[06:52] <Kr4t05> Pardon my dirty mind, but I find it somewhat awkward talking about 8" floppies.
[06:52] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't recall data ever being stored on vinyl platters
[06:52] <Daisuke_Ido> cassettes, however
[06:52] <intelikey> hydrogen i thought that was just me...    i mention anything that comes to mind.   i figure as long as i help enough to keep Jucato from feeling like i'm just chatting.  then talking about a floppy drive is my business   lol
[06:52] <Kr4t05> Data storage by generation.
[06:52] <hydrogen> Kr4t05: mm.. it takes experience with one to be able to talk about it!
[06:52] <Daisuke_Ido> there was a reliable medium
[06:52] <Kr4t05> Generation 1: Punch cards
[06:53] <Kr4t05> Generation 2: Magnetic storage (Hard disk and magnetic reel)
[06:53] <Kr4t05> Generation 2b: Cassettes
[06:53] <Kr4t05> Generation 3: Compact Disc and derivatives
[06:53] <Kr4t05> Am I on the right track?
[06:53] <ardchoille> !ot
[06:53] <dorkface> Generation 4: flash ??
[06:54] <Kr4t05> dorkface: That too.
[06:54] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:54] <Kr4t05> ardchoille: Yeah, I know.
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> so let's get that on topic
[06:54] <hydrogen> note the "and not that blatent about it" part of being on topic
[06:54] <intelikey> hydrogen yeah.
[06:54] <intelikey> :)
[06:54] <hydrogen> listing a timeline of computer history is probably up there on the blatentometer
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i read somewhere about a live punchcard release of ubuntu
[06:55] <Kr4t05> Sure...
[06:55] <intelikey> lol  Daisuke_Ido
[06:55] <hydrogen> That'd come in handy for ubuntu on the mainframe!
[06:55] <Kr4t05> That would be...
[06:55] <Daisuke_Ido> tedious?
[06:55] <Kr4t05> Interesting...
[06:55] <Kr4t05> That's the second work I was looking for.
[06:55] <hydrogen> reminds me a bit of http://xkcd.com/257/
[06:55] <Daisuke_Ido> speaking of blatantly offtopic
[06:56] <intelikey> dorkface did hydrogen's answer do all you needed ?
[06:56] <dorkface> yep :)
[06:56] <bazhang> that
[06:56] <intelikey> we do actually try to make sure no one gets missed or ignored in here.
[06:56] <bazhang> oops, sorry new keyboard is a funny link in the context of kubuntu of course
[06:56] <intelikey> except me.   i get ignored some.
[06:56] <hydrogen> unless the ignorning is deliberate :)
[06:56] <dorkface> hehe
[06:57] <hydrogen> kde's mouse gesture support is one of its coolest features if you ask me
[06:57] <hydrogen> anyways
[06:57] <hydrogen> enough being unhelpful
[06:57] <hydrogen> I should sleep
[06:57] <hydrogen> I think I have an exam in the morning
[06:57] <bazhang> so in eight days Gutsy will be on topic here, correct?
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Moving on to helium
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: stuart little giving someone the finger
[06:58] <DaSkreech> intelikey: You have no idea what a mouse is
[06:58] <intelikey> is that when a small rodent motions with it's front feet "come here" ???
[06:58] <DaSkreech> bazhang: one of those strange things
[06:58] <Les_Caesars> !backports
[06:58] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[06:58] <bazhang> haha
[06:58] <Dr_willis> 'move the computer mole to select the proper icon' - just dosent sound the same.. :)
[06:58] <intelikey> DaSkreech i use a mouse a lot  i'll have you know.   wy i cp/pasted a url just ummm 35 minutes ago...
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> no, but weasel would have been okay
[06:59] <Dr_willis> "Beatle"
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Turtle.
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh, now there's a term that's actually edscriptive
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> descriptive, too
[06:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. A Mouse that looks like a big Beatle would be nifty.
[07:00] <Jucato> O.o
[07:00] <intelikey> mandables ?
[07:00] <hydrogen> two or more (unless you use a mac in which case it only has one pseudo-)buttoned pointing device
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to assume you mean beetle
[07:00] <hydrogen> maybe i'm just overly pedantic
[07:00] <hydrogen> who knows!
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Tweetle beetle battle in a bootle..
[07:00] <Jucato> not something I wanted to read after getting back from eating... nose...
[07:00] <intelikey> "overly pedantic"  heh
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i said double-clicks, not double-picks
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> sheesh
[07:00] <hydrogen> Jucato: and I never want to read "eating" followed by an elipsis, followed by "nose" again!
[07:01] <intelikey> Jucato why were you eating nose ?
[07:01] <Jucato> hahah
[07:01] <Jucato> !offtopic | intelikey
[07:01] <ubotu> intelikey: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:01] <intelikey> lol
[07:01] <Jucato> :P
[07:02] <Jucato> that was specifically for you, for thinking I would say that to you
[07:02] <intelikey> at least i had a good chuckel today....
[07:02] <Jucato> I had more than 1 :)
[07:02] <Jucato> aw.. just missed genii
[07:04] <intelikey> you had lunch "don't know why you ate nose though" but genii came and you missed the coffee   :)
[07:04] <Jucato> the tea actually
[07:04] <titanix88> hi intelikey
[07:04] <intelikey> oh is it tea for you now Jucato ?
[07:04] <intelikey> titanix88
[07:05] <Jucato> always has been. coffee for genii, tea for me
[07:05] <intelikey> k,
[07:05] <titanix88> intelikey: can u use setserial?
[07:05] <intelikey> titanix88 i don't think i have ever tried.
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I dont even have setserial installed.
[07:06] <Dr_willis> what we doing on the serial port?
[07:06] <DShepherd> DaSkreech, ping
[07:07] <Dr_willis> modem? null modem cable? Dumb terminal?
[07:07] <intelikey> titanix88 yeah it seems to work ok.
[07:07] <intelikey> titanix88 what kind of issue you having ?
[07:08] <titanix88> intelikey: i just bought a *uc*ing non brand gprs/edge modem and it mess up with irq so much that my external graph card stopped functioning. wvdialconf does not detect it and asks to use setserial. But it works fine with given soft on windows.>:o
[07:10] <intelikey> titanix88 ok.  i think you would be better off setting the serial ports in bios if your bios supports that.   windows is norotious for changing port info  but linux doesn't do so much of that.  so if you can get the bios streight then linux should have no problem with it.
[07:10] <LogicalDash> I started with regular Ubuntu, then installed kubuntu-desktop. Now I'm happy with just kubuntu and I'd like to uninstall the default ubuntu apps to free some space. Is there any easy way to do this? Uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package doesn't result in anything else getting removed.
[07:11] <intelikey> can anyone tell me what i meant by "norotious"  ???
[07:11] <Dr_willis> how can a usb modem be messing with irq's ?
[07:11] <Jucato> intelikey: norotious - adj., "being intelikey"
[07:12] <titanix88> Dr_willis: how should i know? i just get serial irq related msg on boot log:-/
[07:12] <Jucato> LogicalDash: hold on let me get a link...
[07:12] <intelikey> Dr_willis the irqs can be messed in bios.   the device pluged in wouldn't change that...
[07:12] <titanix88> it is a chinese non brand edge modem.
[07:12] <intelikey> :)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> just seems odd that a usb gizmo would have to mess with them. But then again - his error message may be from somthing just related to the usb-serial stuff.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Ive never had a USb Serial gizmo.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> I do have a USB-Parallel port cable for my old printer.
[07:13] <Jucato> LogicalDash: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[07:13] <LogicalDash> Jucato, thanks!
[07:13] <KevlarSoul> What is the command to start terminal? after grub? I started the recovery version of the kernel, but I coudlnt get internet access that way when I tried to sudo apt-get update?
[07:14] <intelikey> titanix88 some bios'  or is it "bioii"  :/   you can just turn off all serial ports  that should solve it.
[07:14] <LogicalDash> whoooooa lotta text
[07:14] <titanix88> linux kernel says: loading saved serial states,uart bla irq bla:-/
[07:14] <KevlarSoul> ?
[07:15] <crackhead_25> question: how does one go about upgrading to a feisty from edgy without using the "upgrade" feature (which last time broke everything)?? is there an easy way to do it?
[07:15] <titanix88> btw lsusb says "prolific Inc."
[07:16] <Dr_willis> that is the easy way.. :)
[07:16] <Dr_willis> Unless you just backup /home and reinstall cleanly
[07:20] <intelikey> this is rediculess,   i can't help in here if i can't stay connected.
[07:21] <intelikey> fellows. i'm going.    if i ever get this hardware problem resloved i'll come back.             shalom  b'shem Yehashua
[07:21] <Jucato> bye intelikey
[07:21] <Jucato> good luck
[07:21] <intelikey> good by my friend.
[07:21] <bazhang> bye intelikey
[07:22] <KevlarSoul> Recovery kernel has no internet ?
[07:24] <crackhead_25> question: anyone have some thoughts on my question? how does one go about upgrading from edgy to feisty without using the upgrade feature? can it be done easily?
[07:24] <crackhead_25> the last time i used the upgrade feature it broke everything, i think..
[07:25] <Jucato> crackhead_25: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed, disable 3rd party repositories, not sure if ubuntu-standard or ubuntu-minimal should be installed too. then use dist-upgrade
[07:26] <Jucato> I'm not 100% about that though... only about 90% sure
[07:27] <KevlarSoul> How do I turn on internet access via terminal?
[07:28] <crackhead_25> jucato: what will that do exactly? why disable the third party repos?
[07:29] <crackhead_25> Jucato: what's different about running dist-upgrade that way versus just through adept without having made those preparations?
[07:30] <Jucato> doing it through the upgrade tool in adept (--version-upgrade) does the same things I mentioned
[07:30] <Jucato> it makes sure that the necessary metapackages are installed, and disables 3rd-party repositories
[07:30] <pillowpants> does anyone here know a good file encryption program
[07:30] <Jucato> 3rd party repos can produce conflicts while upgrading
[07:30] <pillowpants> with an included file shredder
[07:31] <Jucato> !encryption
[07:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about encryption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:31] <Jucato> bah... silly bot :P
[07:31] <Jucato> !gpg
[07:31] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[07:32] <bazhang> I believe the kde version is kgpg--correct?
[07:33] <Jucato> gpg isn't specific to the desktop. it's a command line tool. kpgp can use it as a backend
[07:33] <ubuntu__> I have a problem, I installed kubuntu, but it didn't work properly, so I tried to go back to windows, and on windows, I deleted the /home partition, but now, for some reason, grub gives an error 17 (i'm on the kubuntu live cd right now, and already tried grub-install, but it says on every single partition that it can't find /boot)
[07:33] <Jucato> kgpg i mean :)
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Hmm you had a  / partition and a /home partition you made at install?
[07:35] <ChaosR> yes
[07:36] <ChaosR> now I still can't understand that deleting /home would cause a grub-error
[07:37] <ChaosR> wiat, I'll ask on #ubuntu
[07:39] <pillowpants> Jucato : ill give it a try
[07:40] <Dr_willis> what do you mean by 'delete' - you removed it then resized the other partitions?
[07:40] <pillowpants> what exactly happens when you click "empty recycle bin"
[07:40] <pillowpants> how secure of a deletion is that
[07:40] <Jucato> it means you are on Windows.
[07:41] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:41] <pillowpants> heh, im on ubuntu
[07:41] <pillowpants> the kde trash can
[07:41] <Jucato> it's called Trash Can here :)
[07:41] <pillowpants> in kicker
[07:41] <pillowpants> ah, yes trash can
[07:41] <bazhang> trash Kan
[07:41] <Jucato> anyway, it completely deletes it. irrecoverable
[07:41] <Jucato> except for heavy duty forensic tools I guess
[07:41] <pillowpants> even on a journaling file system?
[07:42] <pillowpants> like reiserfs
[07:42] <Dr_willis> reiser makes it harder to recover dont it?
[07:42] <Jucato> actually there's no way to recover if you delete using ext3, but there is in ext2
[07:42] <Jucato> so probably ye
[07:42] <Jucato> s
[07:42] <Jucato> (dropped the s by accident)
[07:42] <pillowpants> its my understanding that journaling systems make records of stuff that does exactly get deleted
[07:43] <Dr_willis> filesystems are a .. interesting and often tedious topic. :)
[07:43] <pillowpants> but since this is linux, and linux is super natural and has amazing powers, i assume whatever the case, its infinately safer than windows
[07:43] <preetham> :)
[07:44] <pillowpants> i guess we can leave it at that
[07:44] <pillowpants> and ill be able to sleep at night
[07:44] <Dr_willis> there are 'secure' deletion tools for the truely paranoid.
[07:44] <pillowpants> Dr_willis : such as?
[07:44] <Dr_willis> and No. i dont use them :) time to hit google.
[07:44] <pillowpants> ah
[07:45] <Dr_willis> i got other things to do.. like play with these Opera desktop widgets.
[07:45] <Dr_willis> a Spirograph! cool. :P
[07:45] <pillowpants> Dr_willis : ha, opera?
[07:45] <pillowpants> learn the greatness of swiftweasel!
[07:45] <bazhang> if you toss a truecrypt partition then that is fairly unrecoverable.
[07:45] <preetham> :)
[07:46] <pillowpants> bazhang : i was considering that, truecrypt is a good program
[07:46] <Dr_willis> and does swiftweazle have desktop widgets? ... :)
[07:46] <bazhang> pillowpants: excellent on windows, and I believe Gutsy will have anice front end for it.
[07:47] <Dr_willis> not noticed truecrypt on gutsy yet.. not looked either. :)
[07:47] <pillowpants> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy?
[07:47] <Jucato> still in beta
[07:47] <pillowpants> i havent heard much hoo hah yet
[07:47] <Jucato> best wait for October 18 + a few days for the dust to settle
[07:47] <Dr_willis> lets see.. 150mb of updates just today on gutsy...
[07:47] <Dr_willis> i would wait. :)
[07:47] <bazhang> not in the repos..hhmmm
[07:48] <pillowpants> im impatient to do it, but at the same time i have my feisty system set up just the way i want it contently
[07:48] <pillowpants> bazhang : yeah, i didnt see truecrypt in the repos either
[07:49] <bazhang> current front end is kinda tough to set up
[07:49] <Ben_Cs> hello
[07:49] <pillowpants> i was unaware you could encrypt an entire partition so conveniently
[07:50] <pillowpants> im compiling it from source as of now
[07:50] <pillowpants> i must have it
[07:50] <bazhang> hi Ben
[07:51] <Ben_Cs> just installed kubuntu. for some reason adept manager says firefox is installed but i don't see it anyware.
[07:51] <pillowpants> Ben_Cs: type firefox into a terminal and see if it loads
[07:51] <pillowpants> if not, you may not have it installed
[07:52] <bazhang> Ben_Cs: it sometimes a bit for the icon to get added to the menu
[07:52] <bazhang> takes a bit
[07:52] <Ben_Cs> pillowpants: the terminal shows that firefox isn't installed. so why the manager show it is installed?
[07:53] <wastedfluid> hello.. qucik question.  I see lots of people who have the Kmenu, system menu, desktop, and other icons at the bottom.. large size, and the rest of their taskbar at the top.  how does one go about achieving this?  I tried, but failed miserably.. as I can't get the two to seperate (the "task bar" and the kmenu, sysmenu, and desktop)
[07:54] <Dr_willis> cant add a new panel?
[07:54] <wastedfluid> If I add a new panel, it stays with the other panel.. I can't get my panels to separate.
[07:54] <Jucato> wastedfluid: add a new blank Panel, then add the taskbar applet to the new panel
[07:54] <wastedfluid> ok, hold on..
[07:54] <bazhang> get gnome?
[07:54] <Dr_willis> right cliock on the panel. properties.. theres a thing to set it where to go.
[07:54] <wastedfluid> bazhang: No thanks, but thanks for the insult.
[07:55] <bazhang> probably the wrong channel for that no insult intended wastedfluid
[07:55] <Jucato> s/properties/Configure Panel/
[07:55] <Ben_Cs> maybe i should just install "synaptic" and work with it instead?
[07:55] <Jucato> bazhang: why is it the wrong channel?
[07:56] <bazhang> I mean my ubuntu-related comment. apologies, Jucato
[07:58] <wastedfluid> Jucato: I added the blank panel.. I see now.    I accidentally added the Desktop Manager.. and it doesn't have a remove opion on right click.. and i see "add applet" - but not an applet remover.. any idea?
[08:00] <wastedfluid> Nevermind, there was two menus.  Whoops.
[08:01] <vib-kung> Hi. Has anyone found xine (and therefore amarok and in my case kaffeine) unable to play certain non-free formats, like mp3 and wmv? Mine used to about a week ago, and then suddenly was unable to, after an update.
[08:02] <vib-kung> I *think* it was about a week ago anyway, I'm rubbish keeping track of time.
[08:03] <Jucato> vib-kung: for mp3's please check that libxine1-ffmpeg is installed
[08:03] <vib-kung> It is.
[08:03] <Jucato> for wmv/wma, w32codecs
[08:03] <Dr_willis> some videos can have really weird codecs  that wont play proplery
[08:03] <vib-kung> As I say, it *was* playing things fine.
[08:03] <emilsedgh> vib-kung: install libxine-extracodecs
[08:03] <Jucato> hm...
[08:03] <Dr_willis> so it can not play videos that it Used to play fine?
[08:04] <vib-kung> So is libxine-extracodecs
[08:04] <vib-kung> Yep.
[08:04] <Jucato> weird..
[08:04] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Okay,  One last silly question.  Now that I have two panels - I have buttons that hide the panel at the bottom - and a button that hides nothing at the top.  How do i rid myself of those?
[08:04] <vib-kung> A reasonable collection of mp3s too, that I used to listen to- now, it'll play ogg files no problem, but not mp3s. Claims it needs mp3 support installed, but as I say, I've not removed anything.
[08:05] <vib-kung> I have amarok 1.4.7 from the official backport repository, btw.
[08:05] <Jucato> wastedfluid:  what do you mean? what button?
[08:05] <wastedfluid> Nevermind.  It was a button to hide an empty panel.  I' msorry for all the silly questions.
[08:05] <Jucato> :P
[08:06] <wastedfluid> Thanks for that command, btw
[08:06] <wastedfluid> It's came in handy already
[08:06] <Jucato> no problem
[08:06] <wastedfluid> I switched from Gnome about two months ago, and I just absolutely love KDE.
[08:06] <wastedfluid> Still new to KDE (obviously)
[08:06] <Ben_Cs> can i use apt-get at the same time as the updater runs?
[08:06] <vib-kung> libxine-main1 version is 1.1.4-2ubuntu3, and libxine-extracodecs version is 1.1.4-2ubuntu3
[08:06] <Jucato> nope
[08:07] <Jucato> one apt/dpkg process at a time only
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> i see
[08:07] <vib-kung> Oh, and stupid to forget to say it explicitly, but I'm with Feisty
[08:07] <Ben_Cs> Jucato: will synaptic work alright on kde?
[08:07] <holycow> it most certainly will
[08:08] <Ben_Cs> ok. cause i don't quite get the adept manager
[08:08] <Jucato> Ben_Cs: yep. it'll just install a few GNOME/GTK libraries
[08:08] <Jucato> it'll work fine
[08:09] <wastedfluid> Jucato: Ok, One last question!  The panel I added with all my applications.. has a button to hide it, and bring it back - any way to ride of that thing?
[08:09] <wastedfluid> I will admit, the Adept manager makes me miss synaptic.
[08:10] <Jucato> wastedfluid: in the Configure Panel window, Hiding options.
[08:10] <Jucato> Panel Hiding Buttons
[08:10] <Jucato> if that's what you meant
[08:10] <wastedfluid> Yes, it is.  thanks so much dude.
[08:11] <holycow> Jucato: your kicking some butt tonight
[08:11] <holycow> nice work dude :)
[08:11] <Jucato> heh thanks
[08:11] <Jucato> more work I do here = less work I do in real life :)
[08:11] <Jucato> (not that I have a job...)
[08:11] <dorkface> IS there any way to increase the history buffer in the "recent documents" applet?
[08:12] <Jucato> dorkface: how many are there right now?
[08:12] <dorkface> I think 5, 6, 0r
[08:12] <dorkface> seven
[08:13] <Jucato> bah come to think of it, I don't know how :(
[08:13] <holycow> dorkface: great nick!
[08:13] <dorkface> hehe
[08:13] <dorkface> ty
[08:14] <vib-kung> dorkface: I tried grepping through my .kde/share directory for anything that might set the value to a higher number, but couldn't find it.
[08:15] <dorkface> ah, thanks, though :)
[08:15] <vib-kung> dorkface: So what I ended up doing (which worked for my purposes) was adding the documents menu applet to my kicker panel, and then either putting the files I use the most in there, or creating symlinks to them (or other directories) in there
[08:17] <dorkface> cool, I may have to try that
[08:27] <WaltzingAlong> where to set the default session? this machine has xfce, kde, gnome, and fluxbox but i would like kdm to default to kde (as in for users who log in for the first time)
[08:30] <bazhang> Jucato: apologies again. really sorry about the earlier comment.
[08:30] <Jucato> don't apologize to me though
[08:33] <bazhang> right. thanks.
[08:33] <pillowpants> has anyone here played sauerbraten?
[08:35] <bazhang> pillowpants: it's nice, though I'm partial to warzone2100
[08:35] <shreekant> hi
[08:37] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants i have
[08:38] <aljoscha> Hello, I've installed the package "libupnp0", but when I want to install the program ushare, I get following message: No package 'libupnp' found - whats the problem?
[08:40] <Lynoure> aljoscha: libupnp0 might not show as libupnp, as there is extra 0. You might have to do some symbolic linking. I don't know enough about either to be sure
[08:41] <aljoscha> Lynoure: I thought "sudo ldconfig" does something like that :(
[08:42] <Lynoure> aljoscha: I meant symbolic linking, in the file system. not linking in the program
[08:43] <Lynoure> aljoscha: where is your libupnp0?  /lib/libupnp0  does not look same as /lib/libupnp  so you might want to make latter a symbolic link to former if you only have the former
[08:46] <aljoscha> Lynoure: /usr/lib/libupnp.so and /usr/lib/libupnp.so.0
[08:48] <Lynoure> aljoscha: then it might be that ushare cannot find it for some other reason. I don't know enough about it to help further
[08:48] <aljoscha> okay
[08:49] <Lynoure> aljoscha: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Install_uShare_0_9_6_in_Ubuntu_6_06_LTS_for_Newbies_Like_Myself is for an older ubuntu than you probably have, but could help, maybe
[08:49] <Lynoure> aljoscha: it seems to take /usr into account
[08:50] <Lynoure> aljoscha: good luck :)
[08:56] <scrotles> hi
[08:56] <scrotles> what would be funnier.  While plugged into an extention cord, dropping my CRT monitor off the garage, or hitting the screen with a hammer?
[09:01] <aljoscha> Lynoure: libupnp0 isn't libupnp... it's just a package which libupnp needs
[09:01] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[09:01] <contrast83> Has anyone here used xcompmgr?
[09:03] <Brownout> damn! Finally I figured out how to use console font in konsole
[09:04] <Brownout> fontconfig don't allow bitmapped fonts by default, I didn't know that
[09:06] <Brownout> #ubuntu-unregged
[09:06] <Brownout> ...
[09:08] <student> zdar:)
[09:08] <student> halloooooo
[09:09] <student__> how are you??
[09:18] <scrotles> what would be funnier.  While plugged into an extention cord, dropping my CRT monitor off the garage, or hitting the screen with a hammer?
[09:19] <Brownout> the former one is safer
[09:22] <sjck> whats funnier scrotles writing same sentence two times, or noone laughing?
[09:25] <thumper> Riddell: is there somewhere in the system settings where I can turn compiz on and off like there is with the gnome desktop?
[09:27] <Jucato> thumper: afaik there is none yet. have to do it manually like "compiz --replace"
[09:28] <thumper> Jucato: that's what I've been doing
[09:28] <thumper> Jucato: I was just wondering
[09:33] <Ben_Cs> does kubuntu have ntfs write support?
[09:36] <Jucato> through ntfs-3g, yes (not installed by default until Gutsy)
[09:39] <Ben_Cs> gutsy has it installed? i use gutsy and i installed "ntfs configuration tool"
[09:40] <hangthedj> did anybody read about koffice porting to windows?http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1596080362;fp;2;fpid;1
[09:41] <Jucato> the article is new, the fact is old :)
[09:41] <hangthedj> its pretty neat, i mean i don't use windows, i've got 4 computers running linux, and at work a g4 mac machine.
[09:42] <hangthedj> is the porting of kde to windows old too?
[09:42] <Jucato> old and a bit innaccurate :)
[09:42] <bazhang> I beleive you can use a fair number of Linux apps on OS X as well, though natively.
[09:43] <hangthedj> you can but its a real pain.
[09:43] <Jucato> bazhang: not 100% natively though. fink or x11.apps I think
[09:43] <hangthedj> macports
[09:43] <Jucato> a few parts of KDE can be/is ported to Windows or Mac.. but not all of KDE or KDE itself
[09:43] <hangthedj> ahh
[09:47] <bazhang> Jucato: good point; also you need to register at Apple and get the Xcode developers package, around 110MB if memory serves; if you have a mac.com email no need though.
[09:47] <hangthedj> my mom got an imac and i tried to install amarok on it, and she got mad.
[09:48] <hangthedj> i think they charge for it too
[09:48] <hangthedj> apple charges for everything
[09:49] <hangthedj> i was doing a project at work with webobjects, and i looked at the cost, and it was like 6 or 7 hundred dollars..
[09:49] <hangthedj> its not even that good of a framework
[09:49] <ardchoille> A store near me sells OSX and I wonder if I can just install it and have a dual-boot system with Kubuntu
[09:50] <hangthedj> i mean java is nice. but not webobjects.
[09:52] <bazhang> ardchoille: they sell OS X unencumbered by a Mac--that will only run on Macs I beleive.
[09:52] <ardchoille> bazhang: Oh, I thought OSX ran on intel hw now.
[09:52] <ardchoille> Shows how little I know about it
[09:53] <Jucato> hm. it suddenly turned into a Mac topic... :/
[09:53] <bazhang> ardchoille: it does, but they have some special bios that will only let it boot on their intel.
[09:53] <hangthedj> ardchoille, but only on macs, running vm software only works on the intel macs.
[09:53] <bazhang> not bios, but something similar
[09:53] <Jucato> 1 minute to wrap this up, then continue in #kubuntu-offtopic please?
[09:53] <ardchoille> ok
[09:53] <hangthedj> anybody, feel free to !offtopic me.
[09:53] <hangthedj> i did it on accident, i promiss.
[09:53] <hangthedj> i hate mac
[09:54] <Jucato> it's not that we hate/love mac
[09:54] <Jucato> it's just... well.. channel rules :)
[09:54] <bazhang> my fault; apologies all-around.
[09:54] <ardchoille> same
[09:54] <Jucato> :P
[09:54] <hangthedj> i meant to talk about kde :D
[09:54] <hangthedj> and then i drifted
[09:55] <Jucato> kinda noticed :)
[09:55] <Jucato> feel free to liven up the offtopic channel
[09:55] <ardchoille> I ran ubuntu for a long time (warty to Dapper). Don't get me wrong, gnome is nice.. it's just that kde seems to integrate apps better.. better communication between apps.
[09:56] <hangthedj> nobody talks to me in there, then i start thinking to hard and my self esteem suffers, so i stay away. ;)
[09:56] <Jucato> hangthedj: just lurk around there.. and wait for the tab to go green... or you can drag these people in there
[09:57] <bazhang> much better integration--weblink calls up Konq, or Gwenview, or whatever, depending on the file.
[09:57] <Jucato> made some friends in there too...but for the sake of sanity, I keep my channels to a minimum..
[09:57] <iu> hello everyone
[09:57] <hangthedj> i ran gnome for a couple months, but kde is so much prettier, and there are so many options, you could be busy forever modding it.
[09:57] <Jucato> !hi | iu
[09:57] <ubotu> iu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[09:57] <hangthedj> ardchoille, no, no no, #kubuntu-offtopic!
[09:57] <bazhang> that always gives me a laugh.
[09:57] <hangthedj> #ubuntu-offtopic is busy enough.
[09:57] <ardchoille> hangthedj: fixed :)
[09:58] <iu> Restricted Drivers auto-install bugged or what?
[09:58] <bazhang> ;}
[09:58] <Jucato> iu: gutsy?
[09:58] <iu> yep 7.10
[09:58] <Jucato> #ubuntu+1 please :)
[09:58] <iu> if thats the version you asking :)
[09:59] <iu> oh another channel?
[09:59] <bazhang> just type /join and then the channel name
[09:59] <Jucato> yep. this way to the correct room ---> #ubuntu+1
[09:59] <iu> ahh ok :)
[09:59] <iu> tyvm!
[09:59] <Jucato> or click on the name :)
[09:59] <Jucato> if you're using Konversation (which you should be by default)
[09:59] <bazhang> nice!
[10:03] <ardchoille> Whoa! I just tried katapult
[10:03] <ardchoille> This thing is nice
[10:03] <Jucato> very
[10:04] <hangthedj> Jucato, how come your not in offtopic?
[10:04] <hangthedj> has anyone installed the new build of smplayer?  it is soooo nice.
[10:05] <contrast83> hangthedj: Yep, I'm using it.
[10:05] <contrast83> Just compiled from SVN earlier tonight, actually.
[10:05] <Jucato> hangthedj: [15:57]  <Jucato> made some friends in there too...but for the sake of sanity, I keep my channels to a minimum..
[10:06] <hangthedj> but your only in one room.
[10:06] <hangthedj> two isn't bad.
[10:06] <ardchoille> Jucato: You mean like forgetting which channel you're in when you have split windows in irssi? lol
[10:06] <contrast83> The only thing I'm missing from Kaffeine is being able to have the playlist embedded in the main window *on the side*. Seems like such poor design to have it on the top/bottom.
[10:06] <hangthedj> its one more than one.
[10:06] <Jucato> hangthedj: that's only what you see
[10:06] <hangthedj> thats it.
[10:06] <ibilic> how do I install the JRE in Kubuntu
[10:06] <ardchoille> hangthedj: You aren't going to see every channel he's in unless you're in the same channels
[10:07] <ibilic> I am waiting for the bot reply
[10:07] <ardchoille> !jre
[10:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jre - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:07] <ardchoille> !java
[10:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:07] <ibilic> thanks
[10:07] <ardchoille> yw
[10:08] <Jucato> it will be much easier in gutsy...
[10:08] <hangthedj> contrast83, i just installed today, and changed all the default videos to open in smplayer.
[10:08] <hangthedj> thats not like me.
[10:08] <Jucato> we just tell them "install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[10:08] <hangthedj> i'm usually a kmplayer kinda guy.
[10:08] <Jucato> kmplayer ftw!
[10:09] <hangthedj> i used kplayer for along time, but i moved up to m
[10:09] <contrast83> KMplayer gave me hell. Videos would randomly skip/stop. Kaffeine/Xine gave me thoroughly scrambled output on half my videos.
[10:09] <Jucato> I like kmplayer more because you can choose w/c engine to use
[10:09] <hangthedj> i hate kaffeine
[10:10] <hangthedj> usually it plays me a video saying it can't do the same things mplayer can.
[10:10] <emilsedgh> Jucato: kaffeine could change engine to, it has xine, gstreamer and mplayer backends...
[10:11] <Jucato> emilsedgh: right except on the mplayer backend
[10:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: when you install kmplayer, you will have mplayer backend, irrc, let me see
[10:11] <emilsedgh> oh, i havent kaffeine :P
[10:11] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that's the point
[10:11] <Jucato> to use mplaye rin kaffeine, you have to use the embedded kmplayer
[10:11] <Jucato> so it's like Kaffeine uses KMPlayer to use MPlayer
[10:12] <Jucato> bah didn't see what I wrote :P
[10:12] <emilsedgh> Jucato: sorry
 to use mplaye rin kaffeine, you have to use the embedded kmplayer
 so it's like Kaffeine uses KMPlayer to use MPlayer
[10:12] <hangthedj> plus in konqueror, no matter what i change if i set it to kaffeine part, it never plays in the page, always launched. kmplayer part is my friend.
[10:13] <Jucato> naturally. kmplayer is originally an embedded player for Konqueror
[10:13] <emilsedgh> Jucato: well, i think we should skip this and wait for KDE 4 to have phonon there and use every application with ever backend that we want :P
[10:13] <Jucato> that it's a standalone app to is just an added feature (when you want to view the online video in a standalone app)
[10:14] <Jucato> emilsedgh: then there will be other reasons not to like kaffeine :P
[10:14] <hangthedj> i always get mad whenever i install a new kde system, and kaffeine installs and not kmplayer... it should be the other way around.
[10:14] <emilsedgh> Jucato: usability :(
[10:14] <Jucato> bingo!
[10:14] <Jucato> hangthedj: for a time, kaffeine was actively more developed. that's the reason why
[10:14] <emilsedgh> Jucato: older kaffeine versions were nice
[10:14] <contrast83> Last time I tried Kaffeine on Gutsy, it didn't even allow using KMplayer. Has that since changed?
[10:14] <Jucato> a bit, yes
[10:15] <Jucato> still the same contrast83... at least on my end
[10:16] <Jucato> anyway.. I'm gone.. so behave! :P
[10:16] <hangthedj> kaffeine, won't play for me anymore, its got xine troubles. but thats ok, cause i've got smplayer, kmplayer and kplayer
[10:17] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think KDE Multimedia needs: 1)A simple Video/Audio Player with a stable KPart 2)some more intergration from Amarok, like Kparts, that allows play-music-from-konqueror
[10:17] <emilsedgh> KParts, I Love Them!
[10:18] <Jucato> 1) codeine, juk, 2) up to the amarok guys
[10:18] <Jucato> and I think I've read your thoughts on that matter in the Dot
[10:18] <hangthedj> kmediaplayer
[10:19] <emilsedgh> yes, im looking at kmediaplayer
[10:19] <emilsedgh> Jucato: I cannot remember my toughts on theDot :D
[10:19] <Jucato> maybe some other person then
[10:19] <Jucato> (technicall you can control Amarok from Konq...
[10:19] <emilsedgh> also, Kaboodle becomes Kpart last week!
[10:20] <Jucato> kaboodle's still alive? O.o
[10:20] <hangthedj> ahh, you need the kde4 libs for kmediaplayer
[10:20] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i know, i use that sidebar, but its not a really good way of intergrating AmaroK and Konqueror
[10:20] <Jucato> emilsedgh: well it's up to the amarok guys to make a kpart for amarok...
[10:20] <emilsedgh> Jucato: im sure you always read commit-digest!
[10:21] <Jucato> I skip parts of it
[10:21] <Jucato> sometimes info overload...
[10:21] <hangthedj> what package has kde4-config in it?
[10:22] <emilsedgh> oh Jucato! my fault! Noatun becomes kpart not kaboodle!
[10:22] <Jucato> kdelibs5 (for KDE4) I think
[10:22] <Jucato> emilsedgh: can't even see kaboodle in svn now..
[10:22] <Jucato> neither is noatun... hm...
[10:22] <Jucato> noatun-plugins maybe
[10:22] <emilsedgh> Jucato: better, tons of applications for only one thing!
[10:23] <Jucato> beauty in the midst of diversity
[10:23] <Jucato> anyway, really gone
[10:23] <emilsedgh> Jucato: "The Noatun music player becomes a KPart", 30 september
[10:23] <hangthedj> Jucato, hmm, thats what ubotu says too, but i have that installed.
[10:24] <hangthedj> i'll jump to ubuntu+1
[10:28] <emilsedgh> look how people are looking forward to koffice, i hope that soon KOffice will replace Oo.o, at least in Kubuntu
[10:28] <Riddell> thumper: no, the kcontrol compiz panel seems to have disappeared in the beryl merge
[10:29] <thumper> Riddell: thanks for getting back
[10:29] <thumper> Riddell: I thought so, but was wondering if I had missed anything
[10:33] <Riddell> thumper: I might do something for hardy, but it kindae depends on me having a computer that can run compiz
[10:35] <ibilic> what are the following files:
[10:35] <ibilic> X11/Xlib.h
[10:35] <ibilic> X11/Xlib.h
[10:35] <ibilic> X11/Xlib.h
[10:35] <ibilic> X11/Xutil.h
[10:35] <Jucato> !flood | ibilic
[10:35] <ubotu> ibilic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:35] <ibilic> X11/Xos.h
[10:36] <ibilic> I am trying to use this EasyGL package
[10:36] <hangthedj> the first 3 are the same file
[10:36] <ibilic> and it has these include files
[10:36] <Jucato> those are X11  header files
[10:36] <ibilic> and gcc can't seem to link to them
[10:36] <Jucato> you need to have xorg-dev installed
[10:37] <hangthedj> i'm done with kmediaplayer.
[10:37] <hangthedj> i don't have the energy right now.
[10:38] <cedric_> bonjour
[10:39] <ibilic> not it says this:
[10:39] <hangthedj> frenchfries
[10:39] <ibilic>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11l
[10:39] <cedric_> j aurais besoin d aide pour configurer kubuntu et me liberer de win
[10:39] <hangthedj> !fr | cedric_
[10:39] <ubotu> cedric_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:39] <cedric_> thanks
[10:40] <hangthedj> ibilic, libx11-dev
[10:41] <ibilic> hangthedj: it's already installed :(
[10:42] <hangthedj> ibilic, what are you trying to install?
[10:42] <ibilic> I am just trying to get this example EasyGL program to run
[10:43] <ibilic> I am supposed to compile it with gcc, and it says:
[10:43] <ibilic>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11l
[10:44] <hangthedj> try 'sudo apt-get install x11proto-gl-dev'
[10:44] <zero1> hello everyon!  :D  how can i take out devices from the xorg.conf file without breaking it? adding a # won't do coz the next time i start, nothing shows up
[10:45] <zero1> for example i wanna take out wacom coz i don't have it
[10:45] <zero1>
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Synaptics Touchpad" (type: MOUSE)
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "eraser" (type: Wacom Eraser)
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "cursor" (type: Wacom Cursor)
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "stylus" (type: Wacom Stylus)
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
[10:45] <zero1> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
[10:45] <hangthedj> zero1, if you put a # in front of something and then it doesn't work, that means you need that line.
[10:45] <hangthedj> cause # is the comment line for xorg.conf
[10:45] <zero1> hangthedj: wacom is not on my system so it should work right?
[10:46] <ibilic> hangthedj: x11proto-gl-dev is already the newest version.
[10:46] <zero1> i read ubuntu placed this even if you don't have it just so it will work all the time, in case you do have it
[10:46] <hangthedj> zero1, if wacom is not on your system, it won't work cause its not there.
[10:46] <zero1> i don't have a stylus or eraser....
[10:47] <zero1> hangthedj: yes, but i want it out of my xorg.conf file... how do i edit it please
[10:47] <zero1> on RPM-based linux, like suse, you can do a simple # and your X will still start... i'm confused with this debian thingy
[10:47] <hangthedj> ibilic, do you have xserver-xorg-dev installed?
[10:48] <hangthedj> zero1, just put a # in front of it, that is the comment out for xorg.conf
[10:48] <hangthedj> i'm not sure but maybe make sure the # is all the way back.
[10:48] <zero1> hangthedj: yeah i have done that already and X will fail to start the next time
[10:49] <zero1> tried this many times already without success
[10:49] <hangthedj> if you open xorg.conf and look at the comments, that is what they use.
[10:49] <hangthedj> why do you want it gone?
[10:49] <zero1> hangthedj: hmmmm.. .  this is funny.  it never worked for me.  i have sled 10 on my desktop and i can edit my xorg.conf without fear of it failing to start
[10:50] <zero1> on my laptop, i fear editing xorg.conf coz doing the slightest to it makes X fail to start...  :D LOlz
[10:51] <hangthedj> on kubuntu, i can do whatever i want to X and it typically always start, although i don't edit it much.
[10:51] <zero1> well anyway, my true objective is to have X start faster.  maybe taking out those useless wacom devices in the config file might do something about it... .
[10:51] <hangthedj> gotcha
[10:52] <zero1> hangthedj: well this is my first step...   and it failed
[10:52] <Thomasu> hello some guy who can help me to change language in LinuxMCE
[10:52] <hangthedj> honestly how fast computers are these days, i don't think a couple lines in xorg.conf are really going to make a difference.
[10:52] <zero1> hangthedj: suggestions?
[10:53] <zero1> hangthedj: it won't hurt anyone to try right? :D
[10:53] <hangthedj> its like in c, 20 years ago you used #define to set constants, but computers are so fast now, nobody really does that they use CONST
[10:53] <hangthedj> cause it takes 2 to 4 bytes of memory.
[10:53] <Thomasu> i get this when i tru ti
[10:53] <ibilic> hangthedj: yes, and I just compiled the code on my collegue's computer, and it works
[10:54] <Thomasu> i get this when i tru to install language Command 'qt-language-selector --mode install' not found
[10:55] <hangthedj> Thomasu, sorry, i really don't know anything about LinuxMCE
[10:55] <zero1> this driver, is certainly slower to start on my laptop --> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[10:55] <Thomasu> what about kubuntu
[10:56] <zero1> it seems to have trouble finding the correct resolution w/c is 1280x800
[10:56] <hangthedj> Thomasu, did you try #linuxmce, i know there are only like 6 people there
[10:56] <hangthedj> zero1, what kind of laptop is it?
[10:56] <ibilic> hangthedj: sorry, I made a stupid typo, it works now
[10:56] <zero1> intel  core duo
[10:56] <hangthedj> ibilic, cool, what package did you need?
[10:57] <hangthedj> zero1, no i mean the make, like dell?  toshiba?
[10:57] <hangthedj> lenovo
[10:57] <zero1> hangthedj: it's a compaq presario
[10:58] <ibilic> hangthedj: once I installed the xorg-dev package, it worked
[10:58] <Thomasu> Command 'qt-language-selector --mode install' not found what that this meev
[10:58] <Thomasu> meen
[11:03] <hangthedj> !da | Thomasu
[11:03] <ubotu> Thomasu: For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[11:12] <adi> hey all
[11:12] <adi> goodmorning
[11:12] <WaltzingAlong> i installed support for other languages and can get the kde apps to appear in other languages. the language pack for firefox and thunderbird are installed but they remain in english. how can i change them (or all gtk apps) to be the kde default for the current user?
[11:13] <adi> how it's possible that after automatix install
[11:13] <adi> can't start automatix neither adept
[11:13] <adi> ??
[11:13] <adi> can anyone help
[11:14] <adi> i can get sudo apt-get update from shell
[11:14] <WaltzingAlong> adi: general suggestion: do not use automatix
[11:14] <adi> why??
[11:14] <WaltzingAlong> adi: how about       sudo aptitude             then find broken packages
[11:14] <Jucato> !automatix
[11:14] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[11:14] <Jucato> !aptfix
[11:14] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:15] <adi> so better sudo apt-get autoremove automatix
[11:15] <WaltzingAlong> adi: basically it is a hack to get some things working but without proper precautions
[11:15] <adi> ok tbut this is general rule under kubunr -kde
[11:16] <adi> cause I used ubuntu -gnome with automatix
[11:16] <adi> and never caused probs
[11:16] <WaltzingAlong> !envy | adi
[11:16] <ubotu> adi: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[11:16] <WaltzingAlong> luckily for you
[11:17] <adi> oh no probs with my ati x1300
[11:17] <adi> allready installed restricted fglrx from
[11:17] <adi> ubuntu installation guide wiki
[11:18] <adi> the thing is to install in easy way some kind of nautilus script from konwueror
[11:18] <adi> let me make changes on some file like toot
[11:18] <adi> gui way
[11:18] <adi> I dont know many shell commands
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> adi: the restricted-manager can be used to install fglrx as well
[11:21] <adi> yes but 8.34
[11:21] <adi> instead of 8.41 the leatest
[11:21] <adi> by the way
[11:22] <adi> any nwes about ati open source driver???
[11:24] <oshiii-_^> oshi-
[11:25] <WaltzingAlong> adi: is the car you drive also a 2008 model?
[11:25] <adi> no car at all man
[11:25] <WaltzingAlong> adi: of course you are more than welcome to install ati's latest
[11:26] <adi> ok
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> adi: eventually you may find that you prefer letting the ubuntu gods take care of it, then just managing only through the repositories
[11:28] <adi> any chance that in the fnear future thay will put some drivers on the kernel that recognize my wireless
[11:28] <adi> card draft 802.11n
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> adi: perhaps.
[11:28] <adi> why can't thay do something laike that
[11:29] <adi> I mean draft n is the  fastes
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> probably already exists
[11:29] <adi> no no
[11:30] <adi> no linux kernel recognizes yet
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> i see. which versions of linux have you tried?
[11:30] <adi> they maybe go untill abg
[11:30] <adi> but non n draft
[11:32] <adi> are u on kubu or ubu
[11:32] <adi> ??
[11:33] <WaltzingAlong> adi: there are wireless 'n' routers using linux, are you proposing that they too do not support 'n'?
[11:33] <WaltzingAlong> adi: me?  i installed through kubuntu cd but have since installed xfce (xubuntu) and fluxbox as graphic interfaces and desktops
[11:34] <adi> how is xfce???
[11:34] <adi> comared with kde and gnome
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> feels to me like a lighter/snappier gnome
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> adi: i usually switch among xfce, kde, and fluxbox
[11:36] <adi> the best one to u?
[11:36] <WaltzingAlong> adi: best one for what? depends on my mood. i use all three. if i needed to use just one on this machine it may be kde as i have used it the most
[11:38] <adi> I used kde first then chnged to gnome
[11:38] <adi> to my opinion gnome is the best form my machine
[11:38] <WaltzingAlong> adi: so if you are interested in trying some others, install xfce or fluxbox or so on
[11:38] <adi> lighter faster no crashes
[11:39] <adi> kde is beautifull personillezed and ect
[11:39] <adi> but i hate when the stupid icon jumps up and dow and no apps starting
[11:40] <WaltzingAlong> adi: it is possible to disable the notifications or change it to something else
[11:40] <adi> where??
[11:40] <adi> in kde.
[11:41] <WaltzingAlong> :D you just mentioned you liked being able to personalize kde
[11:41] <melomane> hi, anybody knows a good download mangere? i tries Kget, its speed was really low. i know aria,D4x,wget. but dont know which one is the best
[11:42] <adi> yes i like it
[11:42] <adi> personalize it like no windows user can do it
[11:43] <adi> besides that it's just a joke
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> adi: it is called launch feedback
[11:44] <adi> I would preffer being stable fast and a good level of esthetics
[11:44] <WaltzingAlong> adi: you would except you install latest ati drivers
[11:44] <adi> dont understan
[11:45] <adi> d
[11:45] <adi> what?
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> adi: start kcontrol         then find launch feedback to change from the bouncing icon or disable it altogether
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> adi: you argued that you prefer stability yet you install the latest binary drivers from ati
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> adi: which seems to conflict with your assertion about preference for stability
[11:52] <adi> waltzing along it was a pleasure
[11:52] <adi> have to go...
[11:52] <adi> see you
[11:54] <WaltzingAlong> adi: take care
[12:08] <kubuntu15> hi
[12:08] <kubuntu15> yes
[12:09] <sebbar> hi, I found a web site with a divx video I'd like to watch, it requires a plugin which can be downloaded here http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/webplayer/ for windows, is there such thing for linux?
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> sebbar: yes you can watch mpeg4 videos (xvid/divx) from the web browser
[12:12] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-mplayer
[12:12] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31+main-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 477 kB, installed size 1636 kB
[12:13] <Jucato> or kmplayer in konqueror (with the proper engine + codec)
[12:14] <pillowpants> !xfire
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xfire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <pillowpants> !gfire
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gfire - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <mike> hi guys and gals
[12:40] <mike> i have a problem
[12:40] <mike> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087286.msg92487#msg92487
[12:41] <mike> trying to change wallpaper but don't know how
[12:41] <mike> anyone here?
[12:42] <jussi01> mike: 1 moment please
[12:42] <mike> jussi thanks
[12:43] <gnomefreak> isnt it in settings?
[12:43] <gnomefreak> i dont have kde booted atm but it should be in settings
[12:43] <mike> yes
[12:44] <mike> the topic in the kubuntu forum (see link above) describes what i want to achieve...
[12:44] <mike> sjussie thanks anyway!
[12:47] <Jucato> mike: I don't think it's possible at all
[12:47] <mike> jucato: no?
[12:47] <Jucato> yep
[12:48] <Jucato> you can try asking in #kde if you want. but I don't think that it's possible
[12:48] <mike> hmm i thought as there is this "configure background program"...
[12:48] <Jucato> if it were, you're a genius for discovering that :)
[12:48] <mike> seems to be afeature, but may be it's a bug ;)
[12:48] <Jucato> well it really only works w/ something that draws static images, like kwebdesktop
[12:49] <Jucato> even kwebdesktop isn't animated or interactive
[12:49] <mike> oic. i acually never tried it as i don't know the terminal console commands
[12:49] <Jucato> so I really doubt it
[12:49] <mike> but can't the command be replaced with kscreensaver or something?
[12:50] <Jucato> I don't think so. you can ask in #kde if you want to really investiage
[12:50] <Jucato> investigate
[12:50] <mike> i'll do that thx for the pointer
[01:02] <apparle> hi everyone
[01:11] <apparle> does anyone use OSS drivers
[01:13] <LeeJunFan> Microsoft becomes the new SCO now eh. Balmer saying Linux users are going to have to pay up for using MS IP. They can't make people pay for their own crap, so they are trying to get in on Linux users.
[01:13] <ibilic> how do I compile and run in one line from the terminal using g++
[01:13] <ibilic> if I do g++ bla bla bla | ./output, it runs the previous version
[01:14] <ibilic> g++ router.cpp graphics.c -o router -lX11 -lm | ./router
[01:14] <ibilic> but really, I want it to wait until it's finished and then run the compiled file
[01:14] <ibilic> not run in parallel
[01:15] <apparle> If i have a source code ( .tar.gz or .tar.bz2) how to make a .deb package
[01:17] <apparle> how to make packages using source code
[01:19] <apparle> how to create .deb from source codes
[01:21] <_4strO> !package
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about package - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <_4strO> !deb
[01:21] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[01:22] <_4strO> !sources
[01:22] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:23] <apparle> _4strO: I have a source code in .tar.bz2 how to make a .deb package from it
[01:25] <_4strO> apparle: sorry i dont know
[01:26] <apparle> nobody here knows how to make .deb packages from source codes(.tar.bz2 or .tar.gz)
[01:27] <_4strO> apparle: did you search on internet ?
[01:27] <TheGateKeeper> apparle: if it source code then you will first need to compile it & make executables & libs, which you can either install directly of make a deb from
[01:28] <VSpike> apparle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[01:28] <TheGateKeeper> if you google you will documentation for making a deb
[01:28] <VSpike> apparle: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[01:28] <leon_romain> I have used this manual from IBM once
[01:28] <leon_romain> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html
[01:29] <leon_romain> Now I just compile from source when there's no deb
[01:30] <VSpike> leon_romain: that works as long as you don't want to upgrade something which other things depend on, for example
[01:32] <leon_romain> VSpike: That is true. I mostly start with a stable system and stick with it. I just install few packages from source. If dependency issuescome up , I'll just recompile the package(s).
[01:32] <alejandro> hi
[01:33] <leon_romain> hi
[01:33] <alejandro> some like gksudo but in kde?
[01:33] <leon_romain> yes?
[01:33] <alejandro> what?
[01:33] <mooper> hi chaps, Im trying to get my samba working properly but its being a bit of a cock
[01:33] <leon_romain> I have gksudo in kde
[01:34] <leon_romain> alejandro: what would you like to know?
[01:35] <apparle> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/base/linux-restricted-modules-generic i wnt this package for 2.6.20-15 where to get
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> apparle: "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[01:36] <mooper> http://rafb.net/p/WVYWAg56.html can some kindly chappy cast an ever my samba config and tell me why the [users]  thing is borked
[01:36] <mooper> ?
[01:37] <apparle> i donot have net at home and sitting on a public PC with Windows XP. Thats why i am downloading it.
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> apparle: ah... well thats the package right there.... isin't it?
[01:39] <apparle> nosrednaekim: no problem i got it
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> ok
[01:39] <mooper> Seeker`:http://rafb.net/p/WVYWAg56.html can some kindly chappy cast an eye my samba config and tell me why the [users]  thing is borked. If I try to connect to it from a windows box It brings up the user name and password thing but will allow me no further.
[01:41] <apparle> Is there a restricted manager in kubuntu
[01:41] <bazzieb> hi there, what is the difference between KUBUNTU and UBUNTU?
[01:42] <tmske> bazzieb: kubuntu uses kde and ubuntu gnome as default desktop environment
[01:43] <bazzieb> thks
[01:43] <apparle> bazzeib: ubuntu uses Gnome as the desktop, where as kubuntu uses KDE
[01:43] <apparle> how to install ATI graphic card drivers
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> apparle: you have o get the restricted manager for fiesty,
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> apparle: "apt-get install restricted-manager"
[01:45] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Tell me how to do it offline
[01:46] <apparle> nosrednaekim: how to download it on the public PC and then install it at home
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> apparle: I don't know... it has a ton of dependencies. You know, it might be better for you to just download or order the kubuntu DVD.
[01:46] <Yammeh> Can anyone suggest a better audio player/manager than amarok? It seems to hate me
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: I can't suggest a better one,but I can suggest alternatives
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> Exaile!
[01:47] <Yammeh> Is there anything I can do to stop it from crashing on me all the time? I can't seem to get it to play anything
[01:48] <apparle> Yammeh: What problems are u having
[01:48] <apparle> yammeh: Can it play mp3???
[01:48] <Yammeh> Well I've added my music to it's library, but when I try and make a playlist to actually play the song, it just stalls
[01:48] <apparle> the songs are in which format????
[01:48] <Yammeh> It played the demo song that came with it, but won't let me get as far as playing one from my collection
[01:48] <Yammeh> mp3
[01:49] <apparle> have you installed mp3 support
[01:49] <Yammeh> It doesn't come with mp3 support by default?
[01:49] <apparle> Yammeh: have you installed mp3 support
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: run "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[01:50] <Yammeh> lol, it really doesn't come with mp3 support by default?
[01:50] <apparle> apparle: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:50] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: no... because of liscence restrictions.
[01:50] <Yammeh> wow, ok
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: its because in certain countries (US and Germany) its illegal to play Mp3's unless you paid for a decoder.
[01:51] <apparle> yammeh : Got it working
[01:51] <Yammeh> You're kidding? That's insane
[01:51] <Yammeh> Anyway, yes it works now
[01:51] <Yammeh> Thanks
[01:52] <VSpike> How can I make kdm pass the "logverbose" option to xorg?
[01:52] <VSpike> I found the line ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:52] <VSpike> Can I add it to that?
[01:52] <apparle> nosrednaekim: any other option to restricted manager
[01:52] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: nope i'm dead serious....
[01:53] <apparle> yammeh: You are in which country
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> apparle: just download the deb "xorg-driver-fglrx"
[01:53] <Yammeh> Uk
[01:53] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Can you do me a favour
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> yup
[01:56] <apparle> nosrenaekim: Tell me the list of dependencies which might be missing on default kubuntu setup for synaptic
[01:56] <apparle> nosrednaekim: make a download script for restricted manager and mail it to me
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> apparle: I made a little script that would do that for you on the command line... interested?
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> apparle: the list of dependencies is pretty big.
[01:57] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Still send me the list
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> apparle: ok
[02:00] <apparle> how to open .mht files in kubuntu
[02:01] <JuJuBee> I want to make a backup of my home directory so I can move it to a server while I flatten my laptop.  What is the best way to do this?  I was thinking of tar...
[02:01] <leon_romain> Opera seems able to open *.mht files.
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> apparle: http://pastebin.ca/731781
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: yeah.... thats what I use
[02:02] <leon_romain> Renaming it to .html may also work.
[02:02] <JuJuBee> How do I preserver links and perms?
[02:02] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Can't i make restricted manager use Adept instead of Synaptic
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> apparle: ah! actually, go into the GUTSY repositories and get "restricted-manager-kde" it works on fiesty too.
[02:04] <apparle> nosrednaekim: what do u mean by ur user name
[02:04] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: restricted-manager-kde works in feisty?
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: I used it...
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> apparle: that would be telling
[02:05] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: hm, it depends on Ubuntu or it could be used on other distro's?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: the packages would have to be named the same.
[02:05] <emilsedgh> hm
[02:06] <apparle> nosrednaekim: I will give the gutsy restricted manager a try
[02:07] <apparle> nosrednaekim: tell me the list of dependencies for restricted-manager-kde
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> apparle: ok
[02:08] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Do all gutsy packages work in feisty
[02:08] <apparle> nosrednaekim: how areu sending it
[02:08] <alejandro> how i can change font used in a programing ide
[02:08] <alejandro> like bluej
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> apparle: actually there are no dependencies that you don't already have... you need the restricted-manager though.
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> apparle: sending what?
[02:10] <apparle> nosrednaekim: should i download restricted-manager-kde and restricted-manager-core packages only
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. thats good enough.
[02:11] <apparle> i will try
[02:11] <alejandro> how to change that horrible fonts in java programs?
[02:13] <tmske> i tried to install opensuse 10.3 but lost kubuntu in grub, now I almost found it back, I'm able to boot the kernel, but I only get something called busybox and then a prompt with (initramfs)
[02:13] <apparle> nosrednaekim: I have installed kubuntu and XP on diffrent partitions. If I reinstall XP will it affect GRUB or kubuntu
[02:13] <apparle>  I have installed kubuntu and XP on diffrent partitions. If I reinstall XP will it affect GRUB or kubuntu
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> apparle: certainly will... it will erase grub.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> !grub | tmske
[02:14] <ubotu> tmske: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:14] <UserC> i have a small question,.. shouldn't be to hard to answer :P
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> UserC: you never know :)
[02:15] <UserC> does kubuntu have any bugs that are not on ubuntu?
[02:15] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Should I prefer GRUB or the one called GRUBdos
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> UserC: techincally no, because kubuntu and ubuntu are just different package sets from the ubuntu repositories
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> apparle: what?
[02:15] <UserC> is there any technically difference? i mean will ubuntu perform tasks better?
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> UserC: not really.
[02:16] <UserC> sorry for the idiotic question :P
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:16] <apparle> nosrednaekim: which one  should i prefer default GRUb or the program called GRUBdos
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> apparle: where?
[02:18] <apparle> nosrednaekim: forget it. Tell me how to enable ntfs writing
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !ntfs
[02:18] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> !ntfs-3g
[02:18] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> apparle: this may all be easier of you just got gutsy. which has both that and the restricted-manager-kde
[02:19] <apparle> nosrednaekim: gutsy means the beta version isn't it?
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> apparle: its going to be released officially in like 8 days
[02:21] <apparle> nosrednaekim: The problem is I have to request the CDs as the net i use is slow
[02:23] <apparle> nosrednaekim: gutsy gibbon 7.10 is the official version right
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> yeah... and you can pre-order the cds for free from shipit
[02:25] <apparle> nosrednaekim: i had a lot of problems in enabling sound on fiesty. Is there any improvement in gutsy about sound drivers.(In feisty i am i have to use OSS drivers)
[02:25] <Yammeh> Can anyone help me with a problem with wine? I've installed Steam and when it loads none of the text is in application. I've tried to uninstall it so I can reinstall it and it doesn't do anything..
[02:27] <apparle> nosrednaekim: i had a lot of problems in enabling sound on fiesty. Is there any improvement in gutsy about sound drivers.(In feisty i am i have to use OSS drivers)
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> depends on your hardware, but for me there was
[02:28] <apparle> does the pentium4 support the 64bit
[02:28] <Lure> any feisty user around? I would need /usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs file from feisty to be pasted somewhere
[02:28] <apparle> nosrednaekim: I have the ATI SB450 card
[02:29] <apparle> nosrednaekim: I have preordered the CDs
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Lure: trying to find someone...
[02:29] <Lure> nosrednaekim: thanks
[02:29] <apparle> nosrednaekim: Is it the LTS version
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: you around?
[02:30] <apparle> Bye everyone
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: you around?
[02:31] <Jucato> Lure: isn't that file found inside a package that you can download from packages.ubuntu.com? or is the contents generated on install?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> Lure: is that a kubuntu dependant file? maybe someone in #ubuntu would have it.
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> a little more active over there.
[02:31] <Jucato> s/is/are/
[02:31] <Lure> Jucato: it should be, I thought it woudl be easier to find feisty user ;-)
[02:31] <Jucato> heheh
[02:31] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:31] <Jucato> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=policy-funcs&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=feisty&arch=i386
[02:32] <Jucato> er nvm...
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: are you running fiesty?
[02:32] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: yes
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: could you do something for our dear developer Lure?  pastebin the contents of this file "/usr/share/acpi-support/policy-funcs"
[02:33] <tmske> nosrednaekim: I'll need more help, I read those links and tried some things but I still only get to a prompt with (initramfs)
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> tmske: well, I can't help ATM,I have to go in like a minute.
[02:35] <tmske> ok, no problem, thanks anyway
[02:35] <emilsedgh> Lure: http://phpfi.com/268039
[02:36] <Lure> emilsedgh, nosrednaekim: thanks a lot!
[02:36] <emilsedgh> np Lure
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> No problem ;)
[02:36] <Yammeh> Can someone suggest to me any reason why wine would not display the text of an application I've installed?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> Yammeh: #winehq
[02:37] <emilsedgh> lp} '
[02:37] <Yammeh> Ah, sweet. Thanks
[02:40] <JuJuBee> Hmm, I am trying to run firefox but i get  a message telling me it is running already but not responding.  ps aux | grep firefox returns only the grep, no instance of firefox is listed.
[02:40] <JuJuBee> How do I kill it so the os knows it is dead?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: thats a common problem with firefox, you have to log out.
[02:42] <JuJuBee> Did a restart.  still exists.
[02:42] <JuJuBee> Doing logout now...
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> JuJuBee: I think there is a forfox lock file or something.
[02:43] <JuJuBee> Any idea where?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> no clue.
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> c ya'll gotta get to school
[02:46] <Lacrymology> azureus is crashing horribly, is there any known issues?
[02:50] <apparle> are feisty packages supported in gutsy
[02:50] <bazhang> Lacrymology: ktorrent is having some issues there as well.
[02:50] <Jucato> apparle: depends. it's best if you use the version for gutsy
[02:51] <apparle> alright
[02:51] <JuJuBee> Found the files to remove... ~/.mozilla/firefox/{randomstring}.default/lock & .parentlock
[02:51] <apparle> if i play a song in amarok and then run kmix it works. But if i start it  directly it crashes?? Help
[02:57] <martoss> hi there, i have ~/bin in $PATH in my bashrc
[02:57] <martoss> if i open a console, i can run programs in ~/bin but not from ALT+F2
[02:57] <kubuntu15> hi
[02:58] <martoss> on another ubuntu machine, it works as expected
[02:58] <martoss> any hints where i can look for
[02:59] <JuJuBee> Is there a way to restart a tar process where it left off if it quit?
[03:00] <JuJuBee> Will the -N option do that?
[03:03] <VSpike> How can I make kdm pass the "logverbose" option to xorg?
[03:04] <genii> VSpike: in /etc/init.d/kdm   uncomment the line #ARG="$ARG -debug 255"
[03:05] <genii> VSpike: I'm not sure this is for xorhg
[03:08] <Jucato> genii!!!!
[03:08] <VSpike> genii: that's interesting - I don't think it is for xorg, but it's interesting anyway, and it would probably be useful to turn it on
[03:08] <VSpike> genii: thanks
[03:09] <genii> VSpike: You're welcome. Hope it helps
[03:11] <genii> VSpike: May be able to pass args to X by adding them to end of line specifying kdm as login manager in file /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:12] <Jucato> tea!!!
[03:12] <Jucato> aw.. :(
[03:12] <genii> Darn forgot LOL
[03:13] <Jucato> yay!! :)
[03:16] <genii> hydrogen: :)
[03:17] <VSpike> genii: I have a feeling it can be done in kdmrc
[03:17] <VSpike> I found the line ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[03:17] <ToyMan> I could use more nomrality ;-)
[03:17] <jpatrick> kubuntu's perfection = no questions
[03:17] <genii> VSpike: Ah, nice find :)
[03:18] <VSpike> genii: what's confusing me is that kdm calls /usr/bin/X which is undocumented, and is not the same as /usr/bin/Xorg, which is documented.  I'm guessing the former is just a wrapper of some kind, so the args would be the same
[03:18] <Jucato> jpatrick: what is perfecton? :)
[03:18] <genii> VSpike: I recall previously when starting a specific wm from commandline, if you passed arguments there they would go to the X server, why i suggested appending them in the /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[03:18] <hydrogen> X is the actual server
[03:18] <hydrogen> Xorg is the wrapper I believe
[03:19] <VSpike> Xorg is much bigger than X
[03:19] <Jucato> X.org is an implementation of the X Window System (iirc)
[03:19] <hydrogen>  5357 tty7     SLs+   0:41 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xa
[03:19] <genii> VSpike: As hydrogen says, X is the actual backend there
[03:19] <hydrogen> X is the program running
[03:19] <VSpike> yeah, true
[03:19] <Jucato> well, whatever, it's X :)
[03:19] <VSpike> but "man X" gives nothing
[03:19] <Jucato> try man Xorg
[03:20] <hydrogen> X -help
[03:20] <Jucato> Xorg is a specific implementation. another implementation used before was XFree86
[03:20] <hydrogen> -logverbose [n]         verbose log messages
[03:20] <VSpike> hydrogen: ahh good call
[03:20] <hydrogen> is an option for X
[03:20] <hydrogen> lots of things don't have man pages
[03:20] <hydrogen> almost everything has help :)
[03:20] <Jucato> almost :)
[03:21] <VSpike> I think I tried X --help and it told me to go away so I gave up
[03:21] <hydrogen> well, yea
[03:21] <hydrogen> hydrogen -help tells you what you can do with the nearest stick
[03:21] <hydrogen> but I'm a special case
[03:21] <genii> Well if you don't get help with --help switch at least it will usually show you all the switches anyhow
[03:21] <tzanger> good morning
[03:21] <tzanger> I have a bit of a problem
[03:21] <tzanger> I set up a dualscreen system
[03:22] <VSpike> Jucato: but that was my exact question - does the info in man Xorg apply to X?
[03:22] <tzanger> but the display is unreadable now, and I have no idea which file to go in and mangle, since kcontrol's display settings now cause kcontrol to crash
[03:22] <VSpike> Jucato: I was assuming so, but was curious to know what the ralationship between the two was
[03:22] <VSpike> Jucato: exactly
[03:22] <tzanger> i.e. I can't set the resoution or revert since I can't get in there
[03:22] <tzanger> and running kcontrol with sudo doesn't show me anything for the display
[03:22] <hydrogen> Jucato: that odens't mean that the xorg wrapper takes the same commands as the X program
[03:22] <woddf2> Hello
[03:23] <VSpike> frickin big wrapper though
[03:23] <Jucato> I won't/can't argue with a developer, but I understood it differently... :)
[03:23] <Jucato> but afaik, as far as your system is concerned, Xorg *is* your X program
[03:23] <woddf2> apt is broken! http://pastebin.com/m4d4aba3b
[03:24] <genii> tzanger: You may want to try cycling thru resolutions manually with ctrl-alt then - or + from keypad at right (not the ones on top row of regular keyboard)
[03:24] <tzanger> kcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig is crashing apparently (SIGSEGV)
[03:24] <woddf2> It refuses to install anything.
[03:24] <tzanger> genii: hmm I'll give that a shot
[03:24] <Jucato> tzanger: how about trying to run displayconfig?
[03:24] <woddf2> I am on Kubuntu 6.06.
[03:24] <Jucato> !aptfix | woddf2
[03:24] <ubotu> woddf2: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:25] <tzanger> Jucato: crash
[03:25] <woddf2> No, apt-get, aptitude, and Adept just refuse to install anything because it has trouble uninstalling a package. http://pastebin.com/m4d4aba3b
[03:26] <Jucato> woddf2: id dyou try the command that the bot gave?
[03:26] <woddf2> I will try that.
[03:27] <woddf2> It still does not work.
[03:28] <woddf2> http://pastebin.com/m7043896f
[03:31] <Admiral_Chicago> what does aptitude install tell you?
[03:31] <genii> woddf2: Since you are removing it anyhow, why not do: sudo touch /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules             then run the remove again
[03:32] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago!!!!!!!!!
[03:32] <Jucato> *cough* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:32] <Admiral_Chicago> try using sudo aptitude remove or whatever you need, that will give you more options
[03:32] <woddf2> It still does not work.
[03:32] <genii> Jucato: Wow, yer just leaning on that ! today LOL
[03:32] <Admiral_Chicago> hiya Jucato!!!1 :)
[03:32] <Jucato> no wonder my fingers are sore :)
[03:32] <Admiral_Chicago> woddf2: does it give you more options?
[03:32] <woddf2> No
[03:32] <woddf2> http://pastebin.com/m2f74e5ff
[03:33] <Broc93> Vado...
[03:33] <Brocaway> Sono tornato...
[03:34] <Broc93> Vado...
[03:34] <Jucato> !it | Broc93
[03:34] <ubotu> Broc93: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:34] <Brocaway> Sono tornato...
[03:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> !nickflood
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickflood - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:34] <genii> woddf2: Since that file has no contents you can: sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules
[03:34] <Jucato> Broc93: stop changing nicks
[03:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> meh
[03:35] <Broc93> Jucato: sorry
[03:35] <woddf2> It's working!
[03:35] <Jucato> !it | Broc93
[03:35] <ubotu> Broc93: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:35] <Broc93> I was only doing a etst
[03:35] <woddf2> Thanks
[03:35] <woddf2> Goodbye
[03:36] <Broc93> Vado...
[03:36] <bazhang> just shows the global reach of Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[03:37] <Jucato> duh! I'm from southeast asia. it's *really* global :)
[03:37] <bazhang> me too; though not originally.
[03:37] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: me too incidently
[03:38] <Jucato> O.o
[03:38] <weswh-> looked like some pretty substantial updates this morning
[03:38] <bazhang> Jucato:  have you done any translation work? I was considering it..
[03:38] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no you're not. you're speedy :)
[03:38] <Jucato> bazhang: nope. not even a word :)
[03:38] <bazhang> ;]
[03:39] <Admiral_Chicago> well gotta run to class, see everyone around.
[03:39] <Jucato> bye speedy :)
[03:39] <genii> Have fun :)
[03:39] <Brocaway> Sono tornato...
[03:40] <genii> jhutchins_x: Mornin :)  (or not depending on location)
[03:42] <dirki> hi
[03:44] <Yammeh> Hey peeps, I'm following a guide to help me setup kubuntu with all the necessary packages etc and I'm trying to install "w32codecs", but apt-get says that it's not available.. anyone know if there is an alternative to this package?
[03:45] <ardchoille> !seveas | Yammeh you can find w32codecs here:
[03:45] <ubotu> Yammeh you can find w32codecs here:: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!
[03:46] <Yammeh> Ok thanks, I'll have a look into it
[03:47] <genii> Heh. i wonder who doesn't know by now Seveas is getting hitched?
[03:48] <ardchoille> genii: I didn't know until jut now
[03:48] <ardchoille> s/jut/just/
[03:49] <genii> Ah, I see now someone removed it in the topic of #kubuntu-offtopic        ...was there for a while
[03:51] <genii> !falcon
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about falcon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <genii> Heh
[03:55] <genii> /msg ubotu hi
[03:55] <genii> bah
[03:58] <bazhang> genii: the thing about showing pager backgrounds on different desktops (though for gnome) http://wallpapoz.akbarhome.com/
[03:59] <bazhang> don't know if you had seen that or not..
[03:59] <genii> bazhang: Ah, thanks for remembering. For compiz cube?
[04:00] <Jucato> weheheh! nice. somethign KDE had for years? :)
[04:00] <bazhang> genii: I believe so, but as I don't use gnome currently can't test it..sorry
[04:02] <genii> Jucato: I had asked last night i think about if possible to make compiz cube sides display different wallpaper (preferably corresponding to a workspace on the pager)
[04:02] <Jucato> aaaah
[04:02] <genii> Bookmarked
[04:14] <iwantanelectricc> what are the major differences between kubuntu's KDE and ubuntu's Gnome desktops?  Is one really better than the other?
[04:15] <Jucato> !kde
[04:15] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[04:15] <Jucato> !gnome
[04:15] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[04:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all :)
[04:16] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: morning
[04:16] <Jucato> moin BluesKaj
[04:18] <BluesKaj> hiyas jpatrick, Jucato
[04:19] <Yammeh> Anyone know if Miro requires a tv tuner?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> the latest gutsy updates seem to have made things much more stable ...less app crashes
[04:19] <BluesKaj> err fewer app crashes
[04:19] <bazhang> Yammeh: for just viewing stuff on your computer?
[04:19] <Yammeh> For this "internet tv" thing
[04:20] <bazhang> Yammeh: no but it does need the non-free flash--gnash doesn't do it.
[04:20] <apothus> Hi im very new to ubuntu, i can manage to manage directorys etc and i can install things but only following very simple tutorials. At the moment im trying to install DC++ for linux and i am having trouble, can anyone help with this?
[04:20] <Yammeh> Do you know if it supports many decent channels?
[04:21] <bazhang> Yammeh: if you want to watch tv through kubuntu, then tv-links.uk is the place to go.
[04:22] <bazhang> Yammeh: not tv in the traditional sense on miro; it's youtube/google/etc. video, either in its browser, or you can download it.
[04:22] <Yammeh> Ah, ok
[04:22] <bazhang> Yammeh: ie either streaming or download. tv-links.uk is real tv.
[04:22] <bazhang> Yammeh: through firefox or Konqueror.
[04:23] <apothus> no one has any advice? i followed a tutorial but i think i missed something or i misunderstood some commands
[04:23] <apothus> #channels
[04:24] <bazhang> apothus: what is that?
[04:24] <apothus> what #channels?
[04:24] <bazhang> dc++
[04:24] <cw_> hi
[04:24] <bazhang> hi cw_
[04:25] <apothus> oh, it stands for Direct Connect, its a program i used on windows to transfer files over a network
[04:25] <bazhang> apothus: oh ok thanks.
[04:26] <poison--> !JAVA
[04:26] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:26] <apothus> its very handy at lans, the tutorial i was following is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378
[04:27] <apothus> !channels
[04:27] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:28] <VSpike> X really is a wrapper to Xorg
[04:28] <VSpike> sudo readlink /proc/$(pidof X | cut -f1 --delimiter=' ')/exe
[04:28] <nick_merkin> Hello
[04:29] <nick_merkin> I'd like to report set of bugs in russian localization. Is this channel what I need?
[04:30] <tarek_> i want to program with gcc but it reports errors that i doesnt know stdlib.h and stdio.h
[04:30] <tarek_> can someone help?
[04:30] <bazhang> !ru
[04:30] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:31] <nick_merkin> thanks.
[04:31] <apothus> as in it cant find stdlib.h?
[04:31] <tarek_> apothus:i guess
[04:31] <apothus> so you had #include <stdio.h>
[04:31] <Jucato> tarek_: did you install the package "build-essential"?
[04:31] <tarek_> apothus: exactly
[04:32] <tarek_> no
[04:32] <tarek_> didnt
[04:32] <tarek_> is there anything else i should include in my apt-get install??
[04:32] <Jucato> please do so, then try again
[04:32] <tarek_> kk
[04:32] <Jucato> build-essential should cover the basic necessities
[04:33] <poison--> anyone using virtualbox?
[04:34] <apothus> Jucato:  i have been playing with gcc lately, nice simple program that compiles to test.out but im not sure how to run the program
[04:34] <Ace2016> Hi all
[04:34] <Ace2016> what app controls the backlight?
[04:35] <Ace2016> on a laptop
[04:35] <bazhang> Ace2016: thinkpad?
[04:35] <Ace2016> no hp pavillion
[04:35] <Jucato> apothus: ./test.out (but shouldn't it be a.out?)
[04:35] <Ace2016> i wish i got the thinkpad, the lcds on the pavilions suck
[04:36] <apothus> i compiled it to be test, just on the offchance
[04:36] <bazhang> Ace2016: may not apply but I believe it was fn + high F key (f10, eg)
[04:36] <apothus> Jucato:  thanks, works a charm :D
[04:36] <Ace2016> my fuction keys don't work
[04:37] <bazhang> oh ok
[04:37] <Ace2016> so i'm giving up on them, they seem to be software driven, so i thought i could talk streight to the app and tell it to increase the backlight
[04:37] <soa2ii> Hi there... I just tried to install lirc for my Terratec Cinergy T but if I try to 'make' it:
[04:37] <soa2ii> sudo make
[04:37] <soa2ii> make: *** No targets.  Stop.
[04:38] <soa2ii> why?
[04:38] <Ace2016> did you ./configure or ./autogen.sh
[04:38] <Ace2016> and its not sudo make
[04:39] <soa2ii> Ace2016: Yes... there ist an setup.sh wich offers configure
[04:39] <Ace2016> its ./configure, make and make install isn't it? have a look on the readme file
[04:40] <scoot> I have a question regarding kubuntu 7.04 and display settings using the latest nvidia drivers, anyone around to answer a couple q's?
[04:40] <soa2ii> Ace2016:
[04:40] <soa2ii> config.status: executing depfiles commands
[04:40] <soa2ii> You will have to use the lirc_serial kernel module.
[04:40] <soa2ii> Now enter 'make' and 'make install' to compile and install the package.
[04:41] <soa2ii> /usr/src/lirc-0.8.2$ make
[04:41] <soa2ii> make: *** No targets.  Stop.
[04:41] <apothus> so can anyone help me with this install http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378  ???
[04:42] <BluesKaj> !ask | scoot
[04:42] <ubotu> scoot: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:43] <poison--> !virtualbox
[04:43] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[04:44] <Ace2016> apothus: whats wrong? did you follow the instructions?
[04:45] <apothus> yes, i run the first line which is something along the lines of sudo ...... it asks for the password
[04:45] <apothus> then i input my admin password and it prompts something about cvs not found
[04:45] <Ace2016> apothus: well what you have to do is go to your home dir
[04:46] <apothus> ok
[04:46] <Ace2016> then make a directory which you will compile in, then cd into that, then run the first command but WITHOUT sudo in front of it
[04:46] <Ace2016> then just press enter, no password is needed
[04:46] <Yammeh> How do you get out of the root login on the konsole?
[04:47] <Ace2016> Yammeh: exit
[04:47] <Yammeh> Oh, that simple.. thanks
[04:48] <scoot> 10 4, I have a Nvidia 6600GT and running the nvidia graphics driver. I configure my settings using nvidia-settings (run both with sudo and kdesu), I set my primary display to 1280x1024 (auto refresh), apply, and save to xorg.conf. The problem is, when I reboot...my primary display reverts back to 1024x768. i've tried setting file permissions, enabling root login (i know it's a no no), and plain ole editing the xorg.conf directly. anyone
[04:49] <BluesKaj> scoot, have you tried configuring your monitor driver ?
[04:50] <scoot> i assumed that's what the nvidia-settings gui config menu did?
[04:50] <Ace2016> nope
[04:50] <apothus> im getting an error sudo: cvs: command? any have an idea what this means
[04:50] <scoot> also, my secondary lcd uses the settings I saved
[04:50] <scoot> so point me in the direction of the monitor driver and i'll take a look
[04:51] <soa2ii> WTF... why is make having no target?!
[04:51] <Vermux> what;s the difference between running a program from the Run Command and running the same program through the command prompt?
[04:51] <soa2ii> What is that?
[04:51] <soa2ii> sed: file ./confstata23563/subs-3.sed line 5: unterminated `s' command
[04:51] <soa2ii> config.status: creating drivers/Makefile
[04:52] <BluesKaj> scoot, if the pnp is out of range then it uses the fallback default settings , but if you can setup the monitor driver then your requested settings may work
[04:54] <apothus> dont worry, got it
[04:54] <scoot> pnp? sometimes when I shutdown it hangs and says "out of range" on my lcd
[04:55] <Vermux> who can explain what is the difference between running a program from the Run Command and running the same program through the command prompt?
[04:55] <BluesKaj> scoot pnp=plug n play=default
[04:56] <scoot> ok lol, shoulda known that one. Where do I locate what driver is being used for the monitor?
[04:58] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: command prompt?
[04:58] <BluesKaj> scoot, k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware-tab/admin mode/monitor/configure. Find your monitor in the list and "apply" , if possible.Click "test". If all is well, logout and back in again
[04:58] <scoot> ok thanks
[04:59] <tarek_> apothus: thanks mate everything worked out fine
[05:04] <scoot> BluesKaj: Found what you listed and it seems to have worked. But the refresh rate options in that menu only allowed up to 52Mhz, nvidia will display it at 75Mhz. Is there a workaround for this?
[05:07] <ardchoille> Not sure if this is on topic or not. If I want to watch internet tv, where do I go and what do I need to install? I have firefox and flash currently.
[05:08] <bazhang> tv-link.uk
[05:08] <bazhang> oops tv-links.uk
[05:08] <stdin> bazhang: ??
[05:08] <stdin> bazhang: links in pm or -ot please :)
[05:08] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: yes
[05:08] <bazhang> stdin: just trying to answer ardchoille's question.
[05:09] <stdin> bazhang: (just to cover our back sides ;)
[05:09] <ardchoille> stdin: My fault, sorry
[05:09] <bazhang> stdin: sorry, I was unaware ;(
[05:09] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: what is the difference. in the run command  running a program works and in the konsole it doesnt
[05:09] <scoot> BluesKaj: Nevermind, setting the resolution in that menu kinda made things worse...and now the System Settings/Monitor and Display/ just crashes
[05:09] <stdin> bazhang: well, now you are :p
[05:09] <scoot> i'm shooting for a reinstall
[05:09] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: give me an example
[05:10] <bazhang> stdin: too true--I won't forget. mea culpa maxima.
[05:11] <apothus> im thanks for your help
[05:11] <BluesKaj> scoot, you can try this in the konsole: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,if it will give you the refresh rate option in the tutorial
[05:13] <Vermux> WaltzingAlong: when I run adept_manager from the konsole I get the following :You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because this application needs special administrator (root) privileges. Please run it as root or through kdesu or sudo programs to be able to perform these actions." when I run it from the Run command Im getting the option to enter password and work
[05:13] <Vermux> with Adept manager.
[05:14] <BluesKaj> Vermux, yes you need 'permission' to install apps
[05:14] <Vermux> how do
[05:14] <Vermux> i get it if Im using Konsole?
[05:14] <BluesKaj> the same password you use at login
[05:16] <ardchoille> Vermux: "kdesu adept_manager" works fine in konsole here.
[05:16] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Why does adpet_manager work with root privs whe run from the kmenu and the kmenu entry for it doesn't include "kdesu"?
[05:16] <elkin> i have a problem
[05:17] <stdin> ardchoille: because the menu entry has "Run a different user" set, which prefixes it with kdesu
[05:17] <scoot> thanks agian for the help Blues, bbl..time for work!
[05:17] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, 'kdesu' is meant for the run command box amd 'sudo' is used for the konsole
[05:18] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, thanks.
[05:18] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Yes, but we don't use sudo for gui apps, we use kdesu
[05:18] <BluesKaj> yes
[05:19] <BluesKaj> cuz your in a gui in the runcommand box already not a 'shell'
[05:19] <ardchoille> yeah
[05:19] <BluesKaj> sudo=konsole=shell
[05:20] <BluesKaj> kde(su)
[05:20] <Vermux> BluesKaj: but when I run adept_manager with sudo it woks fine from the konsole
[05:20] <BluesKaj> yes Vermux, exactly
[05:20] <Vermux> also kdesu
[05:20] <Vermux> BluesKaj: so what's the difference?
[05:20] <BluesKaj> don't run kdesu from the konsole
[05:20] <stdin> !kdesu | Vermux
[05:20] <Vermux> why?
[05:20] <ubotu> Vermux: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:21] <ardchoille> !kdesu | Vermux
[05:21] <ardchoille> Vermux: When running gui apps from konsole, you're supposed to use kdesu, not sudo
[05:21] <BluesKaj> kde(su)  is meant for running a command in kde like the run command
[05:22] <Jucato> as it applies to Kubuntu, kdesu is meant to run any GUI app w/ root privs
[05:22] <BluesKaj> Jucato, to the rescue , thx :)
[05:23] <Jucato> heh
[05:23] <ardchoille> Vermux: Are you saying that "kdesu adept_manager" doesn't work?
[05:23] <BluesKaj> don't think GUI is explained very well tho
[05:23] <Jucato> GUI = graphical... :)
[05:23] <Jucato> also known as WIMP
[05:23] <Vermux> ardchoille: it works
[05:23] <ardchoille> ok
[05:24] <Vermux> ardchoille: but is there any difference when running it from the konsole or Run command?
[05:24] <ardchoille> Vermux: Not that I know of
[05:24] <Jucato> doesn't matter. as long as you use kdesu and not sudo
[05:24] <Vermux> so in either option I have to typr kdesu before the command?
[05:24] <Jucato> yep
[05:24] <ardchoille> yes
[05:24] <Vermux> ok
[05:25] <BluesKaj> still not clear from his question
[05:25] <BluesKaj> er
[05:25] <ardchoille> This channel is great, I learn new things everyday
[05:25] <Vermux> so, why in gra
[05:28] <WaltzingAlong> Vermux: konsole is a virtual terminal or terminal emulator. running something from the alt+f2 "run" basically is the same as running one command in konsole with an exit command following it    like        gimp & exit
[05:28] <BluesKaj> Vermux, simple rule ..sudo in the konsole , kdesu in the Run Command
[05:29] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: That's not correct.
[05:29] <Jucato> tralalalala :)
[05:29] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: sudo for cli apps, kdesu for gui apps, regardless of alt+f2 or konsole
[05:29] <Jucato> BluesKaj: he still has to use kdesu in Konsole to run graphical apps
[05:29] <BluesKaj> oh here we go again
[05:29] <Jucato> or any app that uses X
[05:29] <robby> i'm having trouble setting up my divix codec. is it libxvidcore4?
[05:29] <robby> divx*
[05:29] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: kdesu <graphical app>       sudo <console app>
[05:30] <robby> or should i get the official?
[05:30] <BluesKaj> who runs graphical apps from the konsole requireing permissions ?
[05:30] <WaltzingAlong> i do
[05:30] <BluesKaj> why?
[05:30] <WaltzingAlong> because i can
[05:30] <BluesKaj> that's not an answer
[05:30] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: Best reason ever
[05:30] <WaltzingAlong> what was it?
[05:31] <WaltzingAlong> sudo aptitude    but          kdesu adept_manager &
[05:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I do. to see error outputs sometimes
[05:31] <Jucato> to see some info that gets thrown out
[05:32] <BluesKaj> if you have probs ok, but otherwise why bother?
[05:32] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I do too, I do't even use kmenu anymore.. heck, I don't evenhave kicker visible on my desktop anymore.
[05:32] <WaltzingAlong> curiosity?
[05:33] <BluesKaj> ahh , i get it... has to do with "linux chops"  CLI purist stuff
[05:33] <WaltzingAlong> some of us prefer icons but i have found that most who prefer icons (shortcuts) prefer them on the desktop anyway and then some of us prefer typing things, even if through katapult
[05:33] <WaltzingAlong> i have not been suggesting that it is for everyone, perhaps just for me!
[05:35] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: perhaps it could be some of that. however i know some who shy away from strict CLI but prefer starting apps by typing them through katapult
[05:35] <WaltzingAlong> and i have 10 fingers so typing is faster for me than click, scroll, left left left, click, right, down,
[05:37] <VSpike> katapult ftw
[05:37] <BluesKaj> we must remember , a lot of ppl are migrating from windows and if linux is to succeed then using more familiar terms and commands is going to make the transition easier and more permanent.
[05:38] <CrypTom> Hi, I would like to run a shell script as root (either with suid oder sudo), but I cant get it to work
[05:38] <CrypTom> with sudo, it always asks for a password, even if NOPASSWD: is specified
[05:39] <CrypTom> and my rule is the last in the sudoers file
[05:40] <CrypTom> my last sudoers line looks as follows:    www-data localhost=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/local/bin/iar_add.sh
[05:40] <robby> i'm trying to play a video that requires xvid to play. i installed libxvidcore4 package provided by kubuntu and i get a black screen when playing it in Kaffine. any ideas?
[05:40] <sparrw> if I leave firefox running overnight with gmail open, my machine is mostly nonresponsive when i try to wake it from screensaver in the morning.  any suggestions other than remembering to always close gmail?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, showing off "linux chops" to newbs is one thing but making commands more complex than need be isn't necessary
[05:40] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I feel that really depends on the user. when I was introduced to Linux I was made to use the cli for two weeks before getting into the desktop. And it's a good thing too because it taught me a lot of things I probably wouldn't have otherwise learned.
[05:41] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, most ppl aren't "made" to do what you did
[05:41] <WaltzingAlong> like using LaTeX for documents rather than a word processing program.
[05:41] <Jucato> robby: have you installed libxine-extracodecs (or libxine1-ffmpeg)
[05:41] <Jucato> um guys, getting offtopic here.. some support questions up there
[05:42] <ardchoille> sparrw: I feel it's good to close firefox at night. Firefox has many memory leaks that can slow things down.
[05:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparrw: that's a firefox memory issue (and caused by gmail's regular refreshing) to my knowledge.  your best bet is to close firefox.
[05:43] <BluesKaj> robby, in the konsole: sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:43] <sparrw> negative on closing firefox.  i do that weekly, at most
[05:43] <VSpike> sparrw: you could also look at http://www.pthree.org/2007/10/06/iceape/
[05:44] <BluesKaj> !konqueror
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you should probably do it more often, or live with it being slow.  it has a massive memory leak.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> wow
[05:44] <WaltzingAlong> !info konqueror
[05:44] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.7 (feisty), package size 1992 kB, installed size 5324 kB
[05:44] <ardchoille> sparrw: weekly at most? that might be the problem
[05:44] <sparrw> never at best
[05:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> that isn't going to work
[05:44] <VSpike> It's an endless rouce of irritation that the ctrl+mousewheel to change text size in firefox and konq are in opposite directions
[05:44] <VSpike> rouce = source
[05:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> until it's fixed, you're going to have to work around the memory issue, or use a different browser.
[05:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> i assure you, it will not kill you to restart your browser occasionally
[05:46] <VSpike> !opera
[05:46] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[05:47] <lukasz_> Witam!! Mam ogulne pytanie dotyczace internetu przez WiFi, to jest moj drugi dzien z Kubuntu iwec prosze o wyrozumialosc. jak skonfigorawac system (ustawieni itp.) azebym mogl sie lonczyc z netem przez WiFi ??
[05:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !pl
[05:47] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[05:47] <clouder> how can I make my screensavers not span across both monitors but have each monitor running a screensaver (doesn't need to be different screensavers, just not spanning)
[05:47] <BluesKaj> Konqueror reall works well as a browser ...it takes a bit of patience and getting used to , but definitely worth it.
[05:47] <VSpike> Daisuke_Laptop: did you guess that or did you know? :)
[05:48] <lukasz_> thanks ;0
[05:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> it was a fairly educated guess :)
[05:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're welcome
[05:48] <VSpike> Daisuke_Laptop: it would have been mine too, agreed
[05:48] <robby> blueskaj ty i'll try that
[05:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've seen enough to have a really good idea what language i'm seeing
[05:48] <robby> blueskaj wow ty it works
[05:49] <fay_elf> !nvidia | fay_elf
[05:50] <BluesKaj> np robby :)
[05:51] <Yammeh> Hey, is anyone about to try and help me setup my usb speakers to work in kubuntu? They're being recognised when I've plugged them in, I just need to know how to make them default when they're plugged in
[05:52] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, first in the konsole : sudo asoundconf list
[05:52] <a2121e> dsa
[05:52] <Yammeh> The usb speakers are shown as default on there
[05:52] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, then in the konsole : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[05:54] <Yammeh> Sweet! Thanks alot
[05:54] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, do you have more than one soundcard ?
[05:54] <Yammeh> I have the built in one, and then there's on in the speakers
[05:58] <BluesKaj> Yammeh, that's a bit unusual .The spkrs usually just have an amplifier.They get their sound input from your built in soundcard, even if they are USB
[05:58] <apothus> hello all
[05:58] <drif> BluesKaj: imho you don't need soundcard with usb-speakers
[05:59] <BluesKaj> drif, interesting
[06:00] <BluesKaj> drif, how do you direct the sound routing ?
[06:00] <apothus> i am trying to install libglade2.4.0 i run ./config and when i try "sudo make" i get the error "sudo: make: command not found"
[06:00] <apothus> can anyone tell me what i may be doing wrong
[06:01] <Kachna> looks like U don't have makeutils or what was that :-)
[06:01] <Jucato> apothus: did you install build-essential ?
[06:02] <drif> BluesKaj: I believe it (speakers) appears as usb-audio device
[06:02] <apothus> i think i may have but i have done so many wierd things i could have completely over looked it :P
[06:02] <Jucato> !info libglade2-0
[06:02] <ubotu> libglade2-0: library to load .glade files at runtime. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.6.0-3 (feisty), package size 83 kB, installed size 212 kB
[06:02] <Jucato> apothus: seems like the libglade from the repos is version 2.6
[06:03] <apothus> sorry "repos"?
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're new around here :)
[06:03] <BluesKaj> thx drif ..good to know ... i have no experience with USB sound setups
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repositories
[06:03] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> !packages
[06:03] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[06:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> that includes libglade (and most of everything else you'll ever need!)
[06:05] <apothus> yeah, :D kinda new at all this
[06:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> everyone is at first :)
[06:05] <Jucato> apothus: repositories/repos = online database/source of packages built and tested for a specific distribution
[06:05] <Jucato> in this case, Ubuntu's repositories
[06:05] <apothus> although i am enjoying it (usuall frustrations at times) good when i get something
[06:06] <Jucato> you don't have to compile everything you need on distros such as Kubuntu
[06:06] <Jucato> you only need to compile if no packages is available
[06:07] <drsatyri> hey all
[06:07] <drsatyri> im new, but i <3 kubuntu
[06:07] <apothus> ok, yes my overall aim is to install DC++ (still) and from the tutorial it says i need these various packages
[06:08] <deviance> What program do I use to change the Bootsplash
[06:08] <Jucato> apothus: then install those packages from the repos if they are there
[06:08] <Jucato> !usplash | deviance
[06:08] <ubotu> deviance: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[06:08] <WaltzingAlong> !usplash | deviance
[06:08] <Jucato> :)
[06:08] <WaltzingAlong> :(
[06:08] <drsatyri> :|
[06:09] <WaltzingAlong> -_-
[06:09] <drsatyri> ha. indifference wins.
[07:28] <deviance> Anyone who uses Piding mind telling me if I can set IRC up to auto open channels and auto identify?
[07:29] <drsatyri> i can get pidgen and try it
[07:30] <drsatyri> if i can type in my password that is
[07:31] <drsatyri> getting src now
[07:32] <JuJuBee> Greetings, I need someone that can help me get my ATI controller on my laptop working correctly.
[07:32] <JuJuBee> I have been trying for 3 days with no luck.
[07:39] <deviance> ds
[07:39] <deviance> Hmm
[07:39] <deviance> TimS
[07:39] <TimS> Hello
[07:39] <jari> hi
[07:40] <jari> any one knows where the server keeps access logs?
[07:40] <TimS> Nope, sorry
[07:40] <jari> well I mean kubuntu server
[07:41] <tolkien> g'day all
[07:43] <tolkien> is there anyone around?
[07:44] <stdin> people are here, just being quiet
[07:44] <fdoving> jari: which server?
[07:44] <tolkien> lol
[07:44] <tolkien> that's what I thought
[07:45] <stdin> jari: I'm guessing you mean /var/log/auth.log
[07:46] <fdoving> jari: or apache access logs? /var/log/apache2/access.log maybe?
[07:47] <drsatyri> whats the controller
[07:48] <jari> fdoving: kubuntu server, my own , v 7.04
[07:49] <JuJuBee> drsatyri : you mean me (ATI)?
[07:49] <JuJuBee> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[07:49] <drsatyri> and youve tried the binary drivers obviously