[00:01] <gbit86_> I think even if I could just detect the mouse type and whether it clicks while being a caret vs a cursor might be enough to do the same thing, but examples would be good too.
[00:02] <sarnold> hmm I suggest against that
[00:02] <sarnold> eg my mouse cursor is currently the I-bar, and it's over my urxvt window -- makes sense
[00:02] <sarnold> but when I focus my browser with window+L, there's no currently active textbox; the mouse pointer is still the I-bar
[00:04] <gbit86_> oh.. yea, I would like to avoid a misfire if that is the case.
[00:04] <gbit86_> Just trying to come up with a way to get that element if it isn't possible to do so directly with x11/xlib..
[00:04] <sarnold> gbit86_: *maybe* an input extension/mechanism thing? check out ibus
[00:05] <oerheks> perhaps xprop -root _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW
[00:05] <sarnold> will that say which widget has focus?
[00:06] <sarnold> I thought it was just application-level window
[00:06] <gbit86_> yea.. I saw something about ibus earlier and a fixes extension maybe.. I will have to look that up again in my history.
[00:06] <oerheks> found here, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1014822/how-to-know-which-window-has-focus-and-how-to-change-it
[00:06] <gbit86_> Pretty sure xprop command above will be the focus window only, not the widgets/elements within it.
[00:06] <oerheks> but is this your solution, why not force focus to the desired process?
[00:06] <oerheks> https://superuser.com/questions/142945/bash-command-to-focus-a-specific-window
[00:07] <oerheks> examle: wmctrl -a Firefox
[00:07] <gbit86_> Not having issues forcing focus, nor do I want to. I just want to detect what widget/element has the focus in the app so I can trigger a new keymap for my kinto.sh app.
[00:07] <gbit86_> More details here, bullet 3. https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto/issues/32
[00:08] <gbit86_> The problem I am having is very apparent inside web browsers.. as it is difficult to have both a the back button mapped correctly to the keyboard PLUS have word-wise working the same way macOS does inside text boxes.
[00:09] <sarnold> heh and browsing there, I find that even when the mouse is over the application that has focus, it's not a reliable indicatgor of typing in a textbox vs keys causing commands to happen
[00:10] <gbit86_> However Apple does it.. it is impressive imo. The fact that they're able to use a different set of hotkeys dependent on not just the program, but the elements inside the program as well. Maybe not always be a feature though lol.
[00:12] <gbit86_> Kind of funny that I never even considered this issue until just now.. after feeling like I squashed the whole Cmd key vs Ctrl mapping issue btwn most gui apps and the terminal apps (to keep copy, paste and the ctrl+c all working with macOS positions and native app keybindings under linux).
[00:14] <sarnold> gbit86_: that's probably a benefit of writing much of the GUI framework code themselves
[00:15] <gbit86_> True.. I was kinda thinking about how most apps use their Cocoa framework..
[00:15] <gbit86_> so what, if I want to do anything remotely like this in linux I will need to learn how to hook into GTK2/3 and QT for decent coverage of support?
[00:16] <sarnold> I'm hoping ibus means you don't have to
[00:16] <gbit86_> Probably not even possible with compiled apps.. I would not think.
[00:16] <gbit86_> ah
[00:17] <sarnold> (I mean, I've never written anything for it, but somehow it can accomodate some pretty involved input mechanisms)
[00:22] <gbit86_> it does seem that I am reading if the ibus ever gets into a busy state it can block input to some apps.. so yea.. you'd think that'd be the place to go to get the current state of whether or not something is ready for input.
[00:24] <CaptainBlackton> Thank you <leftyfb>, but ubports is the Ubuntu Touch community it seems, which is the one I was saying only works on really old phones, like circa 2013. I was hoping there might be a more recent solution that will work on new phones. I suppose I can try seeing if anyone in that channel has any thoughts though.
[00:24] <leftyfb> CaptainBlackton: not likely. Not one that can be supported in here anyway.
[00:25] <sarnold> alas arm devices are weird
[00:25] <sarnold> or maybe, the vendors who sell arm devices are weird
[00:25] <felco> I could use some help here... I have notice a couple of times, that the NetworkManager icon in the systray shows no Network connectivity. I have used the nm-connection-editor to define the configuration then out of nowwhere the config is lost. I want to define and set the config for the network for good, where do I set it, Netplan or networkmanager, this is a desktop?
[00:25] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: it's not ubuntu, but it might work well enough for you https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
[00:26] <gbit86_> thinking this might be it @sarnold https://ibus.github.io/docs/ibus-1.5/IBusInputContext.html
[00:27] <sarnold> gbit86_: wow, that does look like it! now to figure out how the heck to use it :)
[00:27] <gbit86_> I guess I might have to learn how to hook into the ibus signals and interpret them.. if I were to do that then I should be able to know which keymap to use.
[00:27] <sarnold> you may even be able to skip the keymap
[00:28] <sarnold> swapping keymaps on the fly feels brittle to me
[00:28] <gbit86_> I've never worked with any type of ibus signals before, but I was looking at having to deal with some signals at some point in my future any ways.. if I am to ever support wayland with kinto. -.-
[00:28] <sarnold> I can't say why, it just feels like something best done once at startup and not two or three times per second :)
[00:29] <gbit86_> Possibly, I know I have seen a few examples of people swapping things in a different manner, using some type of hexcode value instead. I am not sure how easy that method is to unset or undo, probably a reboot if "Setxkbmap -option" can't clear it in the same session.
[00:30] <gbit86_> Oh, it to simulate  a macOS experience on your keymap it has to be dynamic, you can't just run it once.. otherwise you'll never be able to swap between terminal apps and gui based apps and have the expected keys in the right places.
[00:30] <Prof_Birch> What is the comparision between x86_64 and ARM package selection
[00:31] <Prof_Birch> Will I still be able to access mostly the same software? KDE/GNOME, snapcore, docker, etc
[00:32] <gbit86_> and I don't run any keyswaps any more often than I asbolutely need to.. if you're swapping between terminal apps, gui apps or browsers then it will only apply a new keymap if the category of app has actually changed. @sarnold
[00:33] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: docker will depend upon the docker images you want to use, right?
[00:33] <sarnold> gbit86_: so, swapping keymaps seems to work out?
[00:34] <oerheks> all about arm64 https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/arm64/index.html
[00:35] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: as for package seelection you can poke around http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/ to see what debs are available -- probably that means no adobe flash
[00:35] <gbit86_> it does, it's been working perfectly. It was brittle though when I was using scripts with xprop, python, xmodmap or autokey type solutions.. just very difficult to maintain and not have it crash and then too never did figure out how to map the Cmd key position to Ctrl+Shift back in those days lol.
[00:35] <gbit86_> https://imgur.com/Iu2CmoW
[00:35] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: and of course third-party binary-supplied applications may not build for arm eg https://snapcraft.io/spotify
[00:36] <sarnold> gbit86_: and if you go crazy and swing the mouse back and forth between the two a dozen times in a second, it follows fine?
[00:36] <gbit86_> Kinto now has a native C program I wrote with the help of the open source community and it just listens for what the currently active window is while checking that against a json config file so it know what category of app it is and what associated commands or keymaps need to be loaded. @sarnold
[00:36] <gbit86_> yep
[00:37] <gbit86_> absolutely fine, it's pretty freaking fast and responsive lol..
[00:37] <gbit86_> what I was aiming for after the poor performance of most of the other solutions I had been trying, which often times did lag behind.
[00:38] <sarnold> gbit86_: cool cool :D
[00:40] <gbit86_> the biggest difficulty I had with it was figuring out how to get it to startup reliably with systemd and to rewrite the opendisplay function I had so that it wouldn't immediately timeout and crash my program lol.
[00:41] <gbit86_> debugging it rather was difficult, not so much solving it. Lots of back and forth with a user and ended up solving a half dozen or more bugs or possible bugs before I even fixed the issue I was really needing to fix for the guy..
[00:42] <gbit86_> I also feel like I have the x11 BadWindow badge too now.. seems that one gets everyone the first time they work with x11/xlib.
[00:43] <sarnold> gbit86_: oh jeeze, isn't that too often the way it goes, you have to fix a dozen other things before you can fix the thing you wanted to fix in the first place
[00:43] <sarnold> gbit86_: certainly that's a rare badge :)
[01:07] <Prof_Birch> For Ubuntu-Arm, do I need to install ubports to the install medium
[01:07] <Prof_Birch> I'm looking to put it on my PinePhone
[01:10] <sixwheeledbeast> Why not something designed for Pine like Leste?
[01:11] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: I think all the arm things are pre-installed system images that you just dd or adb flash onto the systems directly, no installer
[01:12] <Prof_Birch> sarnold: Normally that's the case, but different SOCs have different boot needs. I don't know if ARM servers use a more standard bootloader
[01:12] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: as far as I can tell it's acedemic anyway, I haven't been able to find a way to buy a "real" arm64 machine
[01:12] <sarnold> it's all dev boards and cell phones
[01:12] <Prof_Birch> sixwheeledbeast: I am looking to have a full build environment for my phone
[01:13] <Prof_Birch> sarnold: Yeah, that's why I am worried. Normally you need a different bootloader for ARM systems. it's not as out of the box as GRUB and x86_64 systems
[01:14] <Prof_Birch> sixwheeledbeast: I am looking to use the full Ubuntu repositories (as much as possible) and I have usecases that go far beyond mobile
[01:16] <sixwheeledbeast> I see, I mean Leste should hopefully have Debian repos
[01:16] <myself> sarnold: https://www.96boards.org/product/developerbox/ seems to have a "buy" button
[01:17] <Prof_Birch> Yeah, but Ubuntu offers more up to date repos, and a lot of official build readmes reference Ubuntu LTS, so I'd like to match that as much as possible
[01:17] <Prof_Birch> I'm not looking to dev the system too much, so the closer I can get to my goal out of the box, the better
[01:17] <sarnold> myself: ooo. "up to 4 x 16GB DDR4-2133 RDIMM with ECC"
[01:17] <Prof_Birch> I use Kubuntu on all of my home systems, and Rasbian on my Pi
[01:18] <Prof_Birch> I don't want to have to hunt down specific library versions if they're default in Ubuntu LTS
[01:18] <swift110> hey all
[01:20] <sarnold> myself: wow and the ubuntu download link they give .. http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/bionic/main/installer-arm64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[01:20] <sarnold> something I didn't know existed :)
[01:21] <Prof_Birch> hm?
[01:22] <Prof_Birch> Ah, I see it now. I need to set up ubports
[01:25] <myself> sarnold: Just wait 'til https://system76.com/servers/starling is available again... I'm drooling already :)
[01:25] <myself> preloaded with ubuntu server :)
[01:26] <Prof_Birch> gotta love system 76
[01:26] <Prof_Birch> I'm really thinking about getting one of their laptops
[01:26] <sarnold> ThunderX_CP .. that's the *old* chip, right?
[01:26] <sarnold> not thunderx2?
[01:27] <sarnold> I guess that would fit with ubuntu 16.04 though
[01:27] <myself> Yeah, I hope that's unavailable because they're refreshing the offering
[02:17] <AppAraat[m]> hello, just making sure I'm searching the right way. I wasn't able to find xcopy (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/utils/) in one of the packages (searched here: https://packages.ubuntu.com/) - are you also not able to find it? So that means it's not in Ubuntu packages?
[02:20] <sarnold> AppAraat[m]: I don't think it is packaged; take a look at the wmaker-utils package, wxcopy and wxpaste sound similar
[02:23] <AppAraat[m]> sarnold: yeah sounds similar but I don't think wxcopy has the functionality of xcopy that I'm looking for, namely to put something in an XDND buffer from the CLI (equivalent to dragging & dropping from a GUI file manager, but instead from the CLI this time)
[02:24] <AppAraat[m]> See this thread (and subsequent answer) - https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/f3nyp8/looking_for_something_that_can_put_files_into_an/
[02:24] <AppAraat[m]> (this is, unless I'm misreading something in wxcopy's manpage)
[02:24] <C0nundrum> If i have this permission on a file
[02:25] <C0nundrum> -rw-r--r--    1 jenkins  jenkins  why as the use jenkins am i getting ls: /home/jenkins/.ssh/known_hosts: Permission denied
[02:26] <sarnold> C0nundrum: check permissions on all directories above it, too
[02:27] <C0nundrum> drw-r--r--    1 jenkins  jenkins     4.0K Feb 15 02:14 .
[02:27] <C0nundrum> drwxrwsr--    1 jenkins  jenkins     4.0K Feb 15 02:23 ..
[02:27] <sarnold> alright, how about looking for AppArmor DENIED messages in dmesg or audit logs?
[02:29] <sarnold> AppAraat[m]: sigh, I'm 90% sure I'd seen a similar tool over on suckless.org but I just can't find it. bummer..
[02:29] <C0nundrum> I'm running this in a container
[02:30] <AppAraat[m]> sarnold: oh, interesting. I'll take a look there and see if I can find anything. Thanks for the pointer!
[02:35] <C0nundrum> sarnold
[02:35] <C0nundrum> didn't work with .ssh as 0674
[02:35] <C0nundrum> but 0774 worked
[02:35] <C0nundrum> why is that ?
[02:35] <sarnold> oh man I"m sorry I missed that it wasn't 774 :(
[02:36] <sarnold> C0nundrum: without the execute bit on the directory, the process couldn't 'traverse' the directory
[02:36] <C0nundrum> o wow
[02:36] <C0nundrum> also
[02:36] <C0nundrum> does 2774 mean new files will keep the user bit and thr group bit or am i misinterpreting
[02:38] <sarnold> just group; though I have to admit I can't recall if that feature also requires special mount flags or not
[02:42] <ruffles> anyone here dualbooting mac and linux? i could use some help. thx
[02:42] <sarnold> AppAraat[m]: sorry, I'm out of ideas
[02:43] <Prof_Birch> For ubuntu, if I unpack the ISO, where are the actuall distro files installed?
[02:43] <Prof_Birch> I need to copy over the kernel, etc,etc
[02:43] <AppAraat[m]> sarnold: heh no worries, I had a tough time finding an app that did that (hence why I made that Reddit thread) - I'm sure it's not a frequent usage case so no surprise that it's hard to find :)
[02:44] <AppAraat[m]> Prof_Birch: kernel is located in /boot if I'm not mistaken
[02:45] <Prof_Birch> is it just Packages.gz
[02:45] <sarnold> no, Packages.gz is just metadata for apt
[02:45] <Prof_Birch> Sorry, got discracted
[02:45] <Prof_Birch> I need the packages, boot, and extlinux
[02:48] <Prof_Birch> I see the filsystem.squashfs, vmlinuz, and initrd.gz
[02:48] <Prof_Birch> is that what I am looking for? They're under the install folder
[02:49] <leftyfb> Prof_Birch: what are you trying to do exactly?
[02:50] <Prof_Birch> I was hoping to have ubuntu installed directly to my sdcard, using uboot as the bootloader
[02:50] <Prof_Birch> but the ISOs are designed for the live env
[02:50] <leftyfb> they're also not designed for arm
[02:50] <Prof_Birch> I'm using the arm iso
[02:51] <leftyfb> Prof_Birch: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[02:51] <Prof_Birch> that's the IoT distro, not the Arm server distro
[02:51] <leftyfb> negative
[02:52] <leftyfb> nothing on that page I just posted is for Ubuntu Core (IoT)
[02:52] <Prof_Birch> Ah!
[02:53] <Prof_Birch> The ubuntu IoT for Pi redirects you to that site
[02:53] <Prof_Birch> but it says server on the pi site
[02:53] <Prof_Birch> well then...
[02:55] <Prof_Birch> I think it has what I need, since it's designed to run right off the SD. Thank you so much
[02:55] <sarnold> Prof_Birch: try one of these instead http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/bionic/release-20200129.1/
[03:11] <Prof_Birch> Oh, this is interesting
[03:21] <BurntKangaroo> Hello, I am trying to unmount my ssd where I want to install Ubuntu. I tried sudo umount /dev/sda but I get an error stating umount : /cdrom : target busy.
[03:21] <BurntKangaroo> Under Gparted, The sda is the ssd I have with the proper label and it shows 1.82 TiB
[03:21] <BurntKangaroo> when I try to go forward with the installation, I only see the ubuntu boot usb as destination to install Ubuntu but not my ssd.
[03:27] <BurntKangaroo> any help would be appreciated.
[03:56] <robertparkerx> Thanks for always helping me.
[04:09] <AppAraat[m]> uh... is https://askubuntu.com/ offline?
[04:18] <Bashing-om> AppAraat[m]: i get "We are currently offline for maintenance" for the https://askubuntu.com/ link.
[04:19] <AppAraat[m]> just when I needed it to tell me what "fatal error: X11/X.h: No such file or directory" meant :p
[04:25] <Bashing-om> AppAraat[m]: From where do you see this ? As I generally wxpect "X11" directory in either /usr/share/X11/ or /etc/X11/ .
[04:25] <Bashing-om> expect*
[04:26] <AppAraat[m]> was trying to compile this: https://git.tartarus.org/?p=simon/xcopy.git;a=tree - I'm assuming it needs X11 header files but not sure.
[04:26] <AppAraat[m]> and a vague memory tells me I should install some -dev packages, right?
[04:27] <AppAraat[m]> BurntKangaroo: is there any other OS installed on it already?
[04:28] <Bashing-om> AppAraat[m]: Ask us back up :)
[04:30] <AppAraat[m]> hehe, oh all-knowing-IRC-hyvemind, please share your infinite wisdom!
[05:15] <AnonymousPepper> Just a basic thing - how do I resize my root partition in 18.04? There's a bunch of empty space preceding it in gparted, but I obviously can't resize it while mounted, right? But there's no feature in gparted or anything I know to queue an action to be done on reboot, I don't think. Any help?
[05:17] <AppAraat[m]> AnonymousPepper: what I'd do is 1. Make a backup first and 2. Use a live environment to resize it.
[05:19] <AnonymousPepper> Oh, yeah, I can boot from my usb, can't I?
[05:19] <AnonymousPepper> Duh.
[05:19] <AnonymousPepper> Thanks!
[05:19] <AppAraat[m]> yw :)
[07:02] <marz_d`ghostman> I have two external monitors and one connects automatically via HDMI. The other one I'm planning on connecting via usb-c. Is there any package I need to install for it to work?
[09:14] <alterjsive> google drive stopped working with online accounts :/
[09:15] <alterjsive> sorry this is for kubuntu, not ubuntu
[09:25] <raver> Hi, does anyone have an idea why apt search is suddenly extremely slow?
[09:27] <raver> t.b.h it's a debian buster system.. ✌
[09:27] <badsektur> raver, you should change your ubuntu repo mirror
[09:27] <raver> Thx I'll try that
[09:28] <johnSmith65> Hi, im trying to install ubuntu 18.04 alongside windows 10 but it's not detecting it. I disabled both csm and fast boot but it still wont detect it
[09:28] <johnSmith65> tried turning of secure boot too but i dont have that option in my bios
[09:32] <raver> ```
[09:32] <raver> deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian...
[09:32] <raver> ```
[09:32] <raver> The server which is fine has
[09:32] <raver> ```
[09:32] <raver> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian...
[09:32] <raver> ```
[09:32] <raver> I'll look for a good direct mirror for my country (Germany)
[09:32] <raver> Thanks 🙂
[09:57] <ducasse> raver: please try #debian, we only support ubuntu⃣
[09:58] <raver> thx, will do
[10:00] <isomari> greetings, how can i run a script after all others services have been started?
[10:13] <PEMapModder> I have problems booting ubuntu desktop 18.04 on my PC (installed several months ago). After typing password and clicking "sign in", I am stuck in a purple screen for a long time (more than half an hour).
[10:13] <PEMapModder> So I rebooted the computer and booted ubuntu in Secure Mode, and the login works.
[10:15] <PEMapModder> Under normal mode where it is stuck, I can SSH into my user from another machine. From the SSH, I ran `journalctl -b` and `systemctl status`, none of which showed any interesting result that seem to be relevant to my issue.
[10:15] <PEMapModder> What other ways of diagnosis should I try?
[10:16] <PEMapModder> when I set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to "" instead of "quiet splash" in /etc/default/grub, I get a black screen instead of purple screen, but there is still nothing interesting on the window.
[10:16] <PEMapModder> on the screen*
[10:18] <Lobao> hi i need some help, even though its for mint i think that you can help
[10:18] <Lobao> : the max sensitivity on the mint slidebar is too low for me. what is the best way to set the sensitivity higher and permanent?
[10:24] <EriC^^> PEMapModder: did you try creating a new user?
[10:37] <mra90> after installation of ubuntu the screen is blinking, flipping and does all sort of weird things oO
[10:44] <coffeeGhost> I think the `gopher` package is broken.
[10:47] <mra90> coffeeGhost, no you think wrong
[10:47] <mra90> I have fixed that
[10:48] <mra90> or rather found a solution online ;]
[10:49] <isomari> greetings, how can i run a script after all others services have been started?
[10:50] <ducasse> !mint | Lobao
[10:51] <coffeeGhost> mra90: when I get to certain pages in `gopher` rather than say forg, i will come to a menu item just by navigating up and down the page and it gets stuck on a menu item. i cannot move around. however, i can still bring up the previous menu and the help screen.
[10:57] <Lobao> the script i put on /etc/rc.local isnt running on startup
[10:57] <Lobao> what can i do?
[11:01] <anddam> howdy
[11:02] <anddam> I have an Ubuntu 19 system running in kvm, I put it in sleep by clicking the pause button at the password prompt after it locked due to inactivity
[11:03] <anddam> now I do not know how to wake it up, anyu hint
[11:03] <anddam> s/anyu hint/any hint?/
[11:03] <ducasse> Lobao: try #linuxmint, we only support ubuntu
[11:06] <anddam> ducasse: I'd gladly get some of that support
[11:07] <anddam> I sent all the key combination from the kvm UI
[11:07] <anddam> not sure what key is required in order to wake up from suspend
[11:24] <kobelobster> Hello people. A few questions: I have Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi on my home network. Since I don't want to enter details whenever I boot it I thought about setting no password and following these steps to enable auto-login https://askubuntu.com/a/819154. Additionally I want to disable ssh-login via password and only allow it via ssh key. Is it okay to remove the password from the user and activate auto-login if I only let
[11:24] <kobelobster> people login through ssh with a key file?
[11:24] <kobelobster> to be more precice: My question is: are there any security concerns with what I'm doing. Do I even need to remove the password to enable autologin?
[11:24] <kobelobster> ubuntu server btw.
[11:28] <oerheks> a server need no autologin, the services are not running under your user, right?
[11:29] <kobelobster> oerheks, ah, so when it boots it automatically starts all the services anyway?
[11:29] <oerheks> kobelobster, yes
[11:29] <kobelobster> i at least didn't configure them manually to run under my user. so it should be the default setting
[11:29] <kobelobster> ah, okay, makes sense, ty
[11:29] <oerheks> for passwordless login ( with ssh keys) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring#Disable_Password_Authentication
[11:29] <ducasse> kobelobster: if you only allow key logins, the user will not be asked for the password
[11:30] <kobelobster> Thank you for the link. That's something I already did tho for my vps. I'm now installing home-assistant on ubuntu through docker instead of using hassos
[11:30] <kobelobster> and was just wondering if the raspberry pi reboots, if i can use everything or have to login manually. thanks for your answer
[11:31] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:32] <kobelobster> ducasse, yes, that was my plan. I just thought that for all services (dchp/wpa_supplicant etc.) to start I need to login, that's why I wanted to remove the password and auto-login, but since it seems like it starts the services anyway, this is not needed anymore and i will just use ssh-key-file login only for additional sec reasons
[11:32] <kobelobster> thank you oerheks
[11:48] <kobelobster> anyone had any luck setting up docker for ubuntu 19.10? should be supported as zou can see here https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/ but am alwazs getting the errors that the packages don't exist
[11:49] <yuri_kubuntu> Hello.
[11:49] <kobelobster> every link i find is abouot people saying that 19.04/19.10 is not supported yet, but as for now it is
[11:49] <kobelobster> hi yuri
[11:52] <oerheks> use edge/test .. "the stable version of docker for Ubuntu 19.10 doesn’t exist yet."  https://medium.com/@Grigorkh/how-to-install-docker-on-ubuntu-19-10-60feae8fd382
[11:52] <oerheks> one would use 18.04 LTS
[11:53] <kobelobster> oerheks, i actually have test nightly stable and edge
[11:53] <kobelobster> "deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu eoan stable nightly test"
[11:54] <kobelobster> this is in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:54] <kobelobster> And I found that article to, but 2 days ago docker merged it at least that it should be supported on 19.10
[11:54] <oerheks> eoan = 20.04 LTS beta
[11:55] <oerheks> for that, join #ubuntu+1 until release
[11:55] <ducasse> eoan is 19.10
[11:55] <ducasse> 20l04 is focal
[11:55] <oerheks> oops
[11:55] <ducasse> *20.04
[11:56] <oerheks> my bad, sorry, i am human
[11:56] <kobelobster> weird
[12:00] <kobelobster> maybe i should've gone for ubuntu 18.04 lts
[12:01] <kobelobster> i'm off for now now. ty
[12:26] <oerheks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:53] <aivit> i want to backup a directory to google drive and ive been doing so with rclone, but the problem is i think plex has millions of files and its been taking days to back up. many small files and google drive limits you to like 3 files per second or something like that. essentially it would be much faster to upload 1 50gig file than a 50 gig folder with thousands of files. So what i want to know is is it possible to just make a cron to archive that
[14:53] <aivit>  directory on a schedule and upload the updated archive? can archives be updated(add remove from an archive)?
[14:58] <kobelobster> Hi. I added this content https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Vzkgn5fDh/ to a new file /etc/systemd/system/dhclient.service and used systemctl enable dhclient.service
[14:59] <deepfield> aivit: Why not tar archive each backup? or is it the archive process thats slowing things down?
[14:59] <kobelobster> However, when I boot my wlan interface does not have an ip address assigned to it. Any idea why?
[14:59] <kobelobster> i need to manually call dhclient {interfacename} and then it works, however i want it to happen automatically on boot
[14:59] <aivit> i think the plex directory is 50 gigs deepfield
[15:01] <oerheks> i think it is too much trouble making wifi work before login
[15:02] <oerheks> it will expand boottime, and do nothing new.
[15:02] <deepfield> aivit: I think you would write a small bash or python script to archive the files, run your googledrive backup commands and then schedule that in cron
[15:02] <kobelobster> oerheks, I actually had it work on ubuntu 19.04, just now that i switched to ubuntu 18.04 it doesn't work anymore.
[15:03] <aivit> yeah what i masking though is can archives change like that? can you add new files to a tar.bz2? like add new ones and remove old ones?
[15:03] <oerheks> with network manager it is easy, just enable  "Available to all users" in wifi settings
[15:03] <kobelobster> network manager gui? I'm running the server version with just cli
[15:03] <aivit> like basically clone a directory at its current tate into an ever updating archive
[15:04] <C0nundrum> Anyone know a good way to speed test a tmpfs volume without running into caching problems ?
[15:05] <deepfield> avril: yes. 'tar -uvf' will update the archive with the newer files
[15:07] <kobelobster> oerheks, when i check the status of the service it says active: inactive (dead) after boot. How would I debug the reason?
[15:08] <kobelobster> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QjJdqGkrQK/
[15:08] <kobelobster> Here's the output. it seems like all processes work tho, so how could it be inactive?
[15:09] <aivit> will tar -uvf remove old ones deepfield?
[15:10] <deepfield> aivit: No. It will just look for changed files and replace them. You would have to create a new archive as that would be the same as updating the new files and removing the old ones.
[15:11] <aivit> ok cool
[15:11] <deepfield> I've never actually done any backups like that though but it just seems like there would be no difference between the two
[15:12] <deepfield> try doing both options and see what completes faster.
[15:16] <aivit> ok cool
[15:21] <kobelobster> oerheks, I fixed it. Apparently, on ubuntu 18.04 type of service for dhcp needs to be forking whereas on ubuntu 19.10 it was enough to set it to simple
[15:22] <C0nundrum> Trying to figure out when tmpfs still seems slow
[15:23] <kobelobster> is anyone running ubuntu on a nuc?
[15:32] <N0Lif3> without fail, my Ubuntu machine always freezes if I leave it on for one or two days. The screen is stuck and I can't move my mouse cursor or type any commands (even tried all the special terminal/kill/reboot commands), is there a log file that I can find telling me why this is happening?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3, /var/log/syslog is one
[15:44] <grid-> hey
[15:44] <N0Lif3> BluesKaj: do you see something here that may be the source of my computer freezing? I discovered it frozen just a little while ago and had to hold the power button to get it to turn off
[15:44] <N0Lif3> https://i.imgur.com/XSeYIhK.png
[15:45] <grid-> what is the default command to install postgres server on 	ubuntu 18.04.3 server
[15:47] <leftyfb> grid-: what tutorial are you following?
[15:47] <oerheks> i love our wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postgresql.html
[15:49] <grid-> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postgresql.html
[15:49] <grid-> yes
[15:49] <leftyfb> grid-: you know how to configure, secure and manage a postgres database, but don't know how to install ubuntu packages or find and read documentation?
[15:50] <grid-> leftyfb: i've not said i know that
[15:50] <grid-> leftleg_: i pointed my eyes in first place to the website of postgres
[15:51] <grid-> leftyfb: later i came to the url of oerheks
[15:51] <grid-> oerheks: you are dutch?
[15:53] <msalvatore> Is anyone else seeing timeouts from us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[15:53] <grid-> leftyfb: i wanna test before i install it in production
[15:53] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3, are you using energy saving options like screen energy saving or suspend after n minutes etc ?
[15:54] <N0Lif3> I turned off all of the "power" stuff in the bios
[15:55] <N0Lif3> and all of the power stuff in the settings is turned off too
[15:56] <N0Lif3> I wish I could narrow down what the problem is.  It's weird, the system works. I can play games and render Blender projects, but it just randomly freezes completely after a day or two
[15:58] <BluesKaj> N0Lif3, then I'm not sure what it could be
[16:02] <compdoc> N0Lif3, freezing can be a hardware problem. bad ram, power supply, or disk drive
[16:02] <compdoc> ram and disk are easy to check
[16:04] <batfastad> Hi everyone. I'm trying to create a small fat32 image to use for booting from a uefi shell. I'm building the image in a docker container and as such I cannot `mount` a file created by `mkfs.fat -C` to add files (without giving additional privileges to the container)
[16:04] <N0Lif3> I already did a full ram test with Memtest86, no errors
[16:04] <batfastad> Is there a way to add files into a fat32 .img file without mounting it and copying manually?
[16:05] <leftyfb> batfastad: no
[16:05] <compdoc> N0Lif3, memtest86 is good
[16:06] <compdoc> check you dirve's SMART info with the disk utility. look for reallocated sectors
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> msalvatore: are you behind a router or firewall?
[16:10] <N0Lif3> compdoc: the SSD is fairly new. I bought it last year. in the "SMART Data & Self-Tests" window in Disks, it says Overall Assessment "Disk is OK"
[16:10] <compdoc> ssds still go bad, but ok.
[16:11] <compdoc> cpu isnt overheating? fan inside the power supply is spinning?
[16:12] <N0Lif3> fans are spinning. I was looking at it just yesterday. case fan and cpu fan are spinning. It tends to freeze when I leave the machine idle (doing nothing)
[16:12] <msalvatore> lotuspsychje: i got it working. VPN issue. also, i discovered this: https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[16:13] <N0Lif3> I did have a freeze when I was rendering a Blender project once though
[16:13] <compdoc> N0Lif3, errors in the logs?
[16:13] <N0Lif3> a big animation that was going for over an hour
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> +1 msalvatore
[16:13] <N0Lif3> https://i.imgur.com/XSeYIhK.png
[16:13] <N0Lif3> that's my log from just a bit ago
[16:13] <N0Lif3> I discovered my computer frozen again today
[16:14] <compdoc> rizen
[16:14] <N0Lif3> the 7am stuff was me hard-rebooting the computer
[16:14] <N0Lif3> ryzen1600
[16:14] <compdoc> *ryzen
[16:14] <compdoc> which ubuntu?
[16:15] <N0Lif3> 19.10
[16:16] <compdoc> I wonder if that version is stable with ryzen
[16:16] <N0Lif3> I've never tried another OS with this machine. I bought this Dell used last summer, really clean machine from a good owner.
[16:17] <compdoc> hold on, Im asking some ppl
[16:17] <N0Lif3> thanks, I might try to upgrade to the 20.04 beta and hope that solves things
[16:17] <compdoc> 19.10 ok, or better to have 18.04?
[16:18] <compdoc> ooops
[16:18] <N0Lif3> heck, if 18.04 is more stable with Ryzen, I'll consider that
[16:20] <compdoc> they said with 18.04 you need the newer 5.x kernel
[16:20] <oerheks> 18.04 + HWE or 19.10 ..
[16:20] <N0Lif3> I got Ubuntu 19.10 right now and these freezes keep happening
[16:21] <compdoc> the psu is new?
[16:21] <oerheks> check for a bios update?
[16:21] <N0Lif3> bios is fully updated.
[16:22] <compdoc> what if you boot ubuntu live from a usb stick, and see if it freezes? if not, its some software you installed
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> That would have been my suggestion too... Run the live USB instance and see if it chokes
[16:26] <olspookishmagus> is there a way to PIN/HOLD a specific "release" from changing? like I don't want to upgrade from 16.04 but I want other packages to be updated if that's possible
[16:26] <olspookishmagus> I want to stay on the 16.04 relerase
[16:26] <leftyfb> olspookishmagus: do nothing
[16:27] <leftyfb> olspookishmagus: that said, 16.04 will no longer be supported come 2021 unless you pay for ESM
[16:30] <N0Lif3> I'll try running it off of a usb stick and see if it still freezes. I don't really have weird software running though.
[16:30] <anon9090> Hello, I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04 on my laptop. I have a nvidia 1660 ti card. I'm not able to get my second monitor working, it is not being detected at all. Could someone please help me out?
[16:31] <anon9090> xrandr --listmonitorsMonitors: 1 0: +*eDP-1 1920/382x1080/215+0+0  eDP-1This is the output of xrandr.
[16:31] <anon9090> Is there anything i can do?
[16:32] <pragmaticenigma> N0Lif3: Easier than a reinstall... typically software doesn't take days to cause a fault... My thoughts is that you have a failing piece of hardware, and left unchecked, you will probably find the time between freezes get shorter and shorter
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> anon9090: If you disconnect the working monitor, does the second monitor start to work?
[16:33] <anon9090> I'm on a laptop. But the second monitor works on my windows installation
[16:34] <oerheks> some laptops have a FN + screen key, internal, external, both
[16:34] <anon9090> doesn't seem to be the case with mine, in my display settings the second display is not detected at all
[16:36] <anon9090> pragmaticenigma i'm on a laptop. But the second monitor works on my windows installation
[16:42] <adrian_1908> 20.04 LTS doesn't look to be moving to Wayland by default, right?
[16:45] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: which mainboard do you have there? can you post the single line of output retruned by      journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:'
[16:45] <tomreyn> !20.04 | adrian_1908: no, but please note the last part here
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> adrian_1908: This is a support channel, run by volunteers. The volunteers know and have access to the same resources as you do
[16:46] <N0Lif3> tomreyn: Dell Inc. Inspiron 5675/0XFRWW, BIOS 1.3.7 03/14/2018
[16:47] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: and that's the latest bios?!
[16:47] <adrian_1908> Cool, thanks!
[16:48] <N0Lif3> yep, I wish it had newer bios. I was hoping to upgrade from the Ryzen1600 to something like a 2600, but due to Dell not doing anymore bios updates for it, I'm pretty much stuck with this
[16:49] <N0Lif3> I don't think a motherboard board would be impossible, but it's a lot of work.
[16:49] <tomreyn> hmm indeed, that's weird for a ryzen system
[16:49] <N0Lif3> motherboard swap*
[16:49] <N0Lif3> I'm not complaining. I got this machine for a really good price
[16:50] <N0Lif3> still, the freezes after 1-2 days does suck really hard though
[16:50] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: are you booting in legacy bios or uefi mode?
[16:51] <N0Lif3> uefi
[16:51] <puro> hello
[16:51] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: which version of memtest86 have you used to test the ram, how many cacles have you run, were there any errors?
[16:51] <tomreyn> *cYcles
[16:52] <N0Lif3> the newest free version, I did the full 4pass 13stage test, zero errors
[16:52] <Lobao> is ubuntu more stable than its flavours?
[16:52] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: memtest86 (which is in ubuntu) or memtest86+ (which you'd need to download separately)?
[16:53] <N0Lif3> I didn't know there was a builtin one, I retrieved one from their website
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> N0Lif3: While I don't see a Bios update for that system... I do see a lot of firmware updates to for the SATA controllers and NVME... have those been installed?
[16:53] <oerheks> Lobao, as stable as all official flavors i guess
[16:53] <oerheks> !flavors
[16:54] <tomreyn> Lobao: the foundation and kernel are the same,there should not be any differences there. flavours can use different graphical desktops which can mean they are a little differently there (only)
[16:54] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: whose website?
[16:54] <anon9090> any articles/resources for getting a second monitor working with my fresh ubuntu installation?
[16:54] <N0Lif3> pragmaticenigma: I haven't gone out of my way to install any drivers. I let Ubuntu do all the drivers for me
[16:54] <pragmaticenigma> N0Lif3: These aren't drivers
[16:55] <N0Lif3> tomreyn: https://www.memtest86.com/
[16:55] <Lobao> do you guys prefer ubuntu default or its flavours?
[16:55] <oerheks> wrong chnnel for polling
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> Lobao: This is a support channel, if you have an issue with Ubuntu or one of it's supported applications, this is the place to ask
[16:55] <pragmaticenigma> Lobao: For everything else, please use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for polls and asking other's opinions
[16:56] <Lobao> oh ok, im sorry
[16:56] <oerheks> anon, you did install nvidia drivers?
[16:56] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: have you loaded "(optimized) vendor defaults" on the bios to revert any customiuzations you had made?
[16:56] <Phruis> can i change the default "Music" bookmark name and location in Gnome?
[16:57] <anon9090> oerheks i tried installing through nvidia's official website. before i installed it, the second monitor was detected but it was black, with my mouse pointer visible when i moved it over. But now it doesn't detect at all
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis: No, you can remove the Music folder and then create a symbolic link to the desired location of your music collection call "Music" in your home folder
[16:57] <N0Lif3> I could try that again. I'm not sure. last thing I did in the bios was disable all the power saving/sleep features because I thought that was causing problems
[16:57] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: indeed there may be a power related setting which could cause what you're seeing
[16:58] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: you want to set the value of "typical current", if you have that
[16:58] <Phruis> i see guess it is hard coded, why don't they call it Audio instead of music then that folder categorically can store more things withing making your home folder too messy?
[16:58] <oerheks> anon9090, please use the drivers from the driver menu, in software-sources.
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis: we're volunteers here, you'd have to track down the Gnome developers to ask that question
[16:59] <oerheks> just type driver in search, and the tool pops up
[16:59] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: "power supply common current idle" or similar would be the option name
[16:59] <pragmaticenigma> Phruis: And in no way are you required to keep the Music folder. You can always create your own folders, and I believe add them as a favorite
[17:00] <anon9090> oerheks yeah Software and Updates tool right?
[17:00] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: this is a non-default setting, and not all ryzen1 boards nor all bios versions have it
[17:00] <Phruis> pragmaticenigma, sure sure i know but just sharing thoughts is all
[17:00] <oerheks> anon9090, yes
[17:00] <oerheks> Phruis, pretty easy to find https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-the-location-of-subfolders-in-your-home-partition
[17:01] <oerheks> edit that user-dirs.dirs file…
[17:01] <oerheks> logout, login
[17:01] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: on some other boards you'd need to set "power supply idle control" to "typical current idle".
[17:01] <Phruis> oerheks, cool
[17:02] <anon9090> oerheks under additional drivers, i can see two optioons listed. One for nvidia (using Nvidia driver metapackage ) and one for Intel (this driver is not working)
[17:02] <jayjo> I've been getting the 'partial upgrade' notification for the last week, looks like a 3kb file of LLVM C++ Standard Library is unchecked and can't be checked. Is this something to be concerned about? How can I go about a fix?
[17:02] <N0Lif3> tomreyn: well, turning off all the power stuff didn't do it. I did go in there and Loaded Optimal Defaults. Hoping that does something
[17:03] <anon9090> oerheks i can see three options under Nvidia - driver-435 (tested, proprietary), driver 430 (proprietery) and X.Org X server using nouveau
[17:03] <myself> ooh I've been meaning to ask about that partial upgrade thing. Ever since I installed qgis my upgrades have been partial, and uninstalling doesn't seem to have helped.
[17:03] <oerheks> anon9090, for that 1660, go for 435?
[17:03] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: this is what i (have to) do on a X370 Taichi with ryzen 1800X: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FDQBnGdPWG/
[17:04] <anon9090> oerheks currently thats the one selected
[17:04] <compdoc> the motherboard on this system died a few days ago, and I'm still going through the bios settngs. so many options
[17:07] <N0Lif3> tomreyn: "@reboot /sbin/modprobe msr && /usr/sbin/wrmsr -a 0xC0010292 true" this fixes your freezing? heck, I'll try
[17:08] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: it does, yes, but note that MSR stands for *machine specific* register.
[17:09] <tomreyn> and so far i can't be certain this is actually the specific problem you'Re dealing with, unfortunately Ryzen v1 had a couple different issues on different board and bios variants and versions.
[17:10] <N0Lif3> do I have to find my specific msr value to put in place there?
[17:10] <Phruis> oerheks, that worked perfect thank you
[17:13] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: i would not know, you'd need to check with dell, i guess.
[17:16] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: ubuntu 16.04 was supported on this system apparently. so if you had a 16.04 installation running on it and it showed the same issues, this would more likely be an acceptable basline for getting support from dell (and hopefully any fixes they'd come up with there would also work around those problems on 18.04 LTS and later)
[17:19] <tomreyn> (could be a usb stick installation you just boot form)
[17:31] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: this is what the msr cron job is based on: https://www.reddit.com/user/roandama/comments/eaanxp/need_some_help_with_c6_powerstate_and_msr/
[17:33] <N0Lif3> tomreyn: that guy didn't seem to have it figured out despite giving instructions
[17:34] <tomreyn> N0Lif3: i concur, but this discusses a script zenstates.py, which reads and sets the msr
[17:35] <tomreyn> and, well, it does work for me, and not using it makes this system freeze as well
[17:38] <N0Lif3> so ./zenstates.py --c6-disable ?
[17:39] <tomreyn> yes this should work as well if you're hitting *this* issue.
[17:40] <tomreyn> C6 is one of a couple of power saving modes the CPU can be put into. or in this case, cannot, or not safely.
[17:41] <tomreyn> you really just need to disable C6 *Package*, not C6 *Core*, though.
[17:41] <N0Lif3> I seem to have the same problem as the reddit-guy, modprobe msr does nothing. I'm in root terminal (su)
[17:42] <tomreyn> "does nothing" meaning there is no output when you run it?
[17:43] <tomreyn> if so, then it actually did something, namely it loaded the module successfully, which you can verify using "lsmod | grep msr"
[17:43] <N0Lif3> correct. "modprobe msr" has no output, then when I run "./zenstates.py --c6-disable" then it says OSError: msr module not loaded (run modprobe msr)"
[17:44] <tomreyn> are you running the script using sudo?
[17:44] <N0Lif3> im already in su, but I tried sudo on top of that and it's the same
[17:45] <N0Lif3> that grep msr says "msr 16384 0"
[17:46] <tomreyn> see the issues reported against this github repo
[17:47] <tomreyn> also if you click on insghts -> network you'll see several forks of this script, maybe some of them work around this issue.
[18:10] <bratchley> having some weird dnsmasq issues. I'm forwarding the ".localdev" domain to the dnsmasq that libvirt manages for the VM's, and when I start a VM, the DNS entry gets populated for a little bit of time but then for some reason after about five minutes it just drops out and the libvirt DNS starts saying "NXDOMAIN"
[18:10] <bratchley> not sure why it would only temporarily work
[18:16] <bratchley> like this is my virt network config: https://dpaste.org/7O8T and this is the output I'm seeing: https://dpaste.org/UVO4/raw
[18:17] <bratchley> updated the bash output: https://dpaste.org/7tTK#
[18:20] <magic_ninja> will ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900<EMAIL_ADDRESS>create an open port on my computer? Or will it only be accessible from the local host?
[18:22] <tomreyn> anything that can connect to localhost on this computer will be able to connect to it.
[18:27] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, but no outside machines will be able to
[18:29] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: not on supported ubuntu releases with supported kernels and standard user space, i'd say.
[18:29] <tomreyn> unless you go to lengths to make it possible.
[18:30] <tomreyn> but don't rely just on me, test it!
[18:33] <magic_ninja> tomreyn, thanks for that info, appreciate it.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> bratchley: That sounds like a TTL (time to live) issue, possible that something needs to repush that entry every few minutes?
[19:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
[19:41] <UndefinedIsNotAF> i have a problem on my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, im in the right place to get help?
[19:42] <oerheks> UndefinedIsNotAF, no.
[19:42] <ducasse> !12.04 | UndefinedIsNotAF
[19:42] <oerheks> 12.04 is EOL. dead.
[19:42] <oerheks> good luck with that.
[19:43] <tonyt> UndefinedIsNotAF since that version is at it end of life cycle i dont think you are going to be able to get any support for it in here
[19:43] <UndefinedIsNotAF> i mean 18.04 LTS*
[19:44] <UndefinedIsNotAF> !18.04 | UndefinedIsNotAF
[19:44] <UndefinedIsNotAF> wut?
[19:44] <oerheks> oh, a huge difference
[19:44] <ducasse> post your probem, be specific
[19:44] <ducasse> *problem
[19:46] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I'm trying to hack a proprietary software and use it on Ubuntu. I wanna know what are my option to run potentially infected/bad code on my Ubuntu. Docker ? Virtualbox ? something like Windows Sandbox on Windows 10 ?
[19:46] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: what kernel are you running? Run: uname -a
[19:46] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I'm asking this because I know the crack software that i need to use is infected by a ransomware or something bad like this
[19:47] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: ok, nevermind. Please go elsewhere for help. We don't help with people pirating software.
[19:47] <UndefinedIsNotAF> 5.3.0-32-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP
[19:47] <ducasse> UndefinedIsNotAF: we don't support running crcked software
[19:47] <oerheks> silly cracks.. why?
[19:47] <UndefinedIsNotAF> forget this part, just help me to find a good tools, ok? :)
[19:48] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: go, seek help elsewhere
[19:48] <UndefinedIsNotAF> thats not cool, guys :/
[19:48] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I'm sad now..
[19:48] <oerheks> you are not cool, bye!
[19:48] <UndefinedIsNotAF> where i can get help elsewhere?
[19:48] <ducasse> some would say neither is pirwting software
[19:48] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: not our problem. Good bye
[19:49] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: try not stealing software
[19:50] <UndefinedIsNotAF> why?
[19:51] <UndefinedIsNotAF> softwares should be free, thats not the GNU philosophy?
[19:51] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Stallman stuff
[19:51] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I read badly the GNU website ? :/
[19:51] <pragmaticenigma> UndefinedIsNotAF: It no longer matters what purpose you have here. This channel is for supporting Ubuntu and its offical software packages. It is not a place for seeking out suggestions, recommendations or opinions about what tools to use or are best for a purpose.
[19:51] <oerheks> you are wasting valuable time
[19:51] <oerheks> ours*
[19:52] <UndefinedIsNotAF> pragmaticenigma: thanks for your pragmatic answer
[19:56] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Do I need to leave the channel?
[19:59] <ducasse> no, but please don't ask for help with illegal activities
[20:00] <UndefinedIsNotAF> I never ask for help with llegal activities
[20:10] <sgt_chuckles> best software I've used in a while: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/01/new-stress-test-linux-app
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> sgt_chuckles: not here please... use #ubuntu-offtopic to post articles you think others would be interested in
[21:30] <mbnt> Hi, I have some wine related questions for Ubuntu, may I ask them here or is that a faux pas?
[21:31] <Ben64> if they're about getting stuff working in wine, #winehq would be the place
[21:31] <oerheks> mbnt, join #winehq for application help
[21:31] <mbnt> Ahh, faux pas
[21:31] <mbnt> Apologies for the violaation and harm
[21:32] <oerheks> np, you are nice
[21:32] <Ben64> no harm done
[21:34] <gbit86_> So I am monitoring IBUS with a command that watches for this Emoji status, which is apparently an indicator that the caret is blinking inside of a widget or element of an app. Any ideas of a c program/example of hooking into this directly? https://pastebin.com/BXCV4cLz
[21:35] <gbit86_> Am I in the normal channel or unregged?
[21:35] <gbit86_> nm, looks like I am in the normal channel
[21:36] <tonyt> normak
[21:36] <tonyt> normal
[21:37] <sweb> i have client that dosnt support Socks/http proxy. it's just support custom dns server. which application could help me to rewrite any A record and pass to socks proxy on my network for by pass ISP block rules.
[21:46] <kinghat> anyone using shellcheck? the binary in the bionic repo is pretty out of date. are you manually installing a more recent version?
[21:47] <leftyfb> !latest | kinghat
[21:48] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hey
[21:48] <UndefinedIsNotAF> why Ubuntu Gnome is no longer maintained?
[21:49] <UndefinedIsNotAF> for people who dislike unity, and just want pure Gnome experience, how to do it?
[21:49] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: install Ubuntu
[21:49] <oerheks> currently ubuntu-desktop = gnome3, unity is no longer default
[21:50] <UndefinedIsNotAF> it look like unity by default
[21:51] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: it's not unity. It's gnome3 where you can customize it to your liking with gnome extensions
[21:52] <oerheks> sudo snap install 0ad jgalaxian scummvm glimpse-editor urban-terror micropolis liveforspeed ponysay bombsquad openspades os-runes liko-12 sdlpop warzone2100 hedgewars
[21:53] <leftyfb> oerheks: that won't work here :)
[22:12] <Thermoriax> I'm almost afraid to ask what ponysay does.
[22:16] <UndefinedIsNotAF> leftyfb: cool, thanks
[22:17] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Thermoriax: what is ponysay?
[22:17] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Thermoriax: is this like sl or cowsay?
[22:21] <Thermoriax> UndefinedIsNotAF: It appears to be cowsay for bronies.
[22:23] <UndefinedIsNotAF> hahaha
[22:23] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Thermoriax: in my opinion the Nyancat bashrc PS1 is the best...
[22:27] <lighterowl> hi there. I'm using Ubuntu 19.10 and enabled hugepages via "default_hugepagesz=1G hugepagesz=1G hugepages=36" kernel parameters. unfortunately, hibernating fails with systemd reporting "Failed to suspend system. System resumed again: Cannot allocate memory". turning off hugepages support makes the system hibernate properly. where can I report this?
[22:32] <newdimension> I'm running Ubuntu 19.10 on a VM. As such eventually the VM time gets out of sync. How can I force Ubuntu to update its time? I went to Settings > About Date & Time and I can't seem to toggle Automatic Date & Time. It untoggles itself
[22:54] <Sbur3> Anyone out there willing to help me resolve an E: <DOCTYPE> error message?
[22:54] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: Remember me and my problem?
[22:55] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: Slept since then; remind me ?
[22:55] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: E: Type '<!DOCTYPE' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[22:55] <Sbur3> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[22:56] <oerheks> really, medibuntu ? that is EOL for ages
[22:56] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: medibuntu has been dead for years :(
[22:57] <oerheks> 11.10 ...
[22:58] <sixwheeledbeast> !DOCTYPE is a html tag no idea why that would be in apt?
[22:58] <Sbur3>  Bashing-om: oerheks: I don't remember anything having been changed, but I can't update software and my awareness of the problem came from a search for libdvdcss.so.2
[22:59] <oerheks> remove that list and you are fine
[22:59] <Sbur3> sixwheeledbeast: oerheks: Bashing-om: I don't know what messed up and I'm a relative novice at this kind of thing
[22:59] <oerheks> for dvd, see the dvd page on the wiki
[22:59] <Sbur3> oerheks: How do I remove that list?
[23:00] <Sbur3> oerheks: Is it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
[23:00] <oerheks> sudo rm ...
[23:01] <Sbur3> oerheks: So I imagine that it is in /etc/  ...
[23:02] <Bashing-om> shaggysi0: In particular ' sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list ' .
[23:03] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: ^^ sorry shaggysi0 - not paying attention :(
[23:03] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: Can you tell me if that "-rf" would do anything if I have already done the rm without that?
[23:04] <Bashing-om> Sbur3: I doubt it dis anything - look: ' ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d '.
[23:04] <Bashing-om> dis/did*
[23:09] <DarkByD3sign> Hi all, I need some assistance with Ubuntu and more specifically parted. I'm trying to create a torrentbox with an Odroid N2 and a USB3 harddrive but I'm having massive issues I keep getting the following error: /dev/sda1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! Does anyone have a spare 5-10 minutes to assist me please?
[23:13] <sixwheeledbeast> You will need to unmount the partition if you want to modify it.
[23:25] <DarkByD3sign> sixwheeledbeast, thank you.
[23:46] <Sbur3> Bashing-om: I have looked for the wiki for libdvdcss, but can't seem to find what I'm looking for and need
[23:47] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[23:52] <Sbur3> oerheks: I must not have activated the right repos for libdvd-pkg, cuz I can't find it


[06:32] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:41] <daftykins> hello! all well in brobostigon land this morning?
[06:43] <brobostigon> everyone is half asleep still in Taylorworld. and you?
[06:44] <daftykins> still up from the night before, such are the funny hours i'm keeping atm - but yep all looks well :)
[06:45] <brobostigon> ah i see. :)
[06:45] <daftykins> now to the coffee shop for a morning treat
[06:47] <brobostigon> :D
[07:22] <SuperMatt> good morning
[07:22] <daftykins> \o
[07:23] <brobostigon> o/
[07:28] <SuperMatt> I hate that it takes so long for firefox updates to land :(
[07:30] <daftykins> never seen that
[07:53] <daftykins> a mate linked me to this, it's quite an amusing spin on the usual URL shorteners - https://verylegit.link/
[08:26] <Laney> :D
[08:40] <zmoylan-pi> i used to use a url evilinator for sending the most dubious of links... :-)
[08:41] <daftykins> ooh you scoundrel you!
[08:42] <zmoylan-pi> fun to drop the links in a linux channel were they all knew i only posted good links but their inate security check made it reluctant to click them... :-)
[08:42] <Laney> yeah I liked shadyurl.com
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> like, do you click on any of the links that are posted by people that appear, post a link and then leave?
[08:43] <Laney> most places it wouldn't be that appropriate to use it though :(
[08:43] <zmoylan-pi> shadyurl is the one
[08:43] <daftykins> unfortunately i once clicked one in #ubuntu that was dressed up to look like it was a log file from a problem - and it ended up being... something highly illegal and immoral :|
[08:44] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, unfortunately there are url goodinators too...
[13:59] <diddledan> so, either my power supply for server2 has gone titsup, or the mobo is dead
[13:59]  * diddledan got an amazon prime special on it's way for tomorrow now
[14:00] <diddledan> (replacement psu)
[14:01] <daftykins> total inability to support usual power!
[14:01] <daftykins> argh s/support/supply/
[14:03] <diddledan> if the psu doesn't fix it then I'll have to RMA the mobo
[14:04] <daftykins> :<
[14:07] <diddledan> I think it's still under manufacturer warranty, and if it isn't then I might be able to get it replaced under consumer law - it's one of those atoms that had the low-pin-count bus problem
[14:07] <daftykins> aaah yes
[14:07] <daftykins> up and atom


[00:32] <keeper_> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 18.04 LTS (Bionic Beaver) Daily Build and the desktop looks to be Gnome3 based rather than Gnome2.
[00:38] <keeper_> I don't want the security and performance problems of a web browser as a desktop.
[00:39] <keeper_> I get that it is softer and easy to program but that is not always a good thing.
[00:39] <keeper_> Besides, the defaults are retarded and largely dysfunctional.
[00:40] <keeper_> In Gnome3.
[03:07] <Techman> After 18.04 is released I think it would be a good time to update the screenshots on the website
[03:07] <Techman> :P
[10:51] <mate|98333> hi
[14:12] <mate17313> hi
[14:13] <mate17313> is anyone here?
[14:14] <mate17313> hi swifty
[14:16] <Swifty> Hi
[14:16] <Swifty> Hi, I have a problem installing Ubuntu Mate on my iMac A1208, the Mac doesn't recognize the stick, although I created it with Etcher.
[14:18] <Swifty> ?
[14:19] <mate|95569> Hi, I have a problem installing Ubuntu Mate on my iMac A1208, the Mac doesn't recognize the stick, although I created it with Etcher.
[14:24] <celio> Olá, bom dia a todos
[14:25] <celio> Alguém conseguiu configurar o Ubuntu Mate 16.04 no Raspberry Pi 3, para reconhecer o token USB e trabalhar com Processo Judicial Eletrônico?
[14:31] <alkisg> !es
[15:15] <celio> Hello, good morning everyone
[15:16] <celio> Has anyone managed to configure Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on Raspberry Pi 3, to recognize the USB token and work with Electronic Judicial Process?
[15:19] <celio> I am an employee of the judiciary in Brazil and I installed Ubuntu Mate 16.04 in a Raspi 3. To be perfect I can only get him to recognize the Token so that I can sign the documents electronically.
[16:45] <ole_denmark> celio and goodevening from denmark
[16:51] <newuserx> I am running 18.04 minimal install. I am using usb networking. How to I get the network to come up on boot. When I log in to the desktop the network comes up. I need to have ssh and emby accessible.
[16:53] <alkisg> newuserx: there's #ubuntu+1 for 18.04. If you have minimal install, maybe you're missing a netplan/networkmanager/interfaces file...
[17:02] <newuserx> Thanks alkisg. I'm on Beta 1 ubuntu-mate plus current updates. How would I setup auto login for lightdm? I tried the control center gui.