[09:18] <AnHu> sorry, I know it isn't a bug platform, but my problem is: Gaim doesn't start in system tray after rebooting (in newest Breezy and Hoary)
[09:18] <AnHu> Is that a KDE or Kubuntu bug?
[02:16] <hunger> Automounting my usb stick fails once again in KDE: It is mounted automagically on /media/usbdisk, but konqueror tries to open /media/sdb1 which does not exist.
[02:17] <hunger> Doesen't look like a KDE problem actually, more like ubuntu changing.
[02:21] <Riddell> hunger: what's your (k)ubuntu install?
[02:34] <verwilst> hello
[02:34] <verwilst> hello Riddell
[02:34] <OculusAquilae> i have the same problem with konqueror/kde and my usb-stick
[02:34] <OculusAquilae> hello verwilst
[02:35] <seaLne> i found that with hoary->breezy but my colony3 breezy install works fine
[02:35] <verwilst> hi
[02:35] <OculusAquilae> i have an install from the snapshot yesterday
[03:16] <tvo> Riddell: there's a minor issue with the xrandr patch: if you do the same rotation multiple times in a row from cli, the bug which it is supposed to fix, still occurs. There's no way (afaik) to do this through the gui though, so I don't consider it really serious
[03:18] <pef> hi
[04:36] <Riddell> tvo: what's your e-mail address
[04:36] <Riddell> (my e-mail is broken)
[04:36] <tvo> Riddell: tobivollebregt()gmail.com
[04:37] <Riddell> tvo: could you resend your last report to me please
[04:40] <tvo> Riddell: mail sent
[04:41] <tvo> btw, have you seen Mez lately?
[04:42] <Riddell> I have not
[04:42] <Riddell> thanks for resend
[04:43] <tvo> I might as well drop him an e-mail ( I want to be added to katapult on berlios )
[04:43] <tvo> np
[04:47] <Riddell> katapult, cool :)
[04:48] <tvo> I got so used to it on hoary, but it has an uptime of like 3 sec on breezy :s
[04:48] <tvo> so it needs fixing
[04:50] <verwilst> hellow Riddell !
[04:50] <verwilst> i'm going to try and package beta1 when it's out :$
[04:50] <verwilst> hopefully with a bit more success
[04:50] <Riddell> verwilst: cool
[05:06] <\sh> grmpf...kxdocker must be handsynced from debian :(
[05:20] <Riddell> \sh: why?
[05:20] <\sh> old libqt3c102-mt build-dep
[05:20] <\sh> a normaly elmo sync wouldn't help
[05:23] <Riddell> tsk, file a report to debian saying it should depend on libqt3-dev
[05:25] <\sh> will do
[05:25] <\sh> ah http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325635
[05:26] <verwilst> will kubuntu breezy have something update-notifier-like for kde?
[05:26] <\sh> if I have the time during shtoomvoip I will play with the gnome source and port it to kde...
[05:27] <Riddell> verwilst: possibly, but adept is the main target just now
[05:27] <verwilst> coolness
[05:27] <\sh> Riddell: adept?
[05:27] <verwilst> i'm curious where adept will go to when it's grown up :d
[05:27] <Riddell> \sh: new package manager
[05:27] <verwilst> currently i don't like the interface, but things have a way of getting refined bit by bit when they mature
[05:28] <\sh> uh...ok...so I don't have to care about the old stuff ,-)
[05:30] <verwilst> i once had some screenshots from a incredibly nice frontend
[05:30] <verwilst> but i forgot which distro had it :(
[05:30] <verwilst> i remember it as slack
[05:30] <verwilst> but doesn't seem so :p
[05:30] <Riddell> linspire?
[05:35] <verwilst> well yeah, something like that..
[05:35] <verwilst> but it wasn't exactly the same
[05:35] <verwilst> but more in the line of CnR then the listview thingies :)
[05:36] <verwilst> *than
[05:37] <Riddell> CnR is surprisingly nice.  it has issues but there's a lot to learn from there
[05:40] <seaLne> CnR?
[05:41] <Riddell> click and run
[05:41] <seaLne> ah
[05:43] <verwilst> yip
[05:43] <verwilst> would be cool to have for kubuntu ;)
[05:43] <verwilst> anyways, i'm off to home, see ya!
[07:22] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Hi, I saw you talking about package-manager layouts. Please have a look on Xandros-Networks too: http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/xandros_networks1.png http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/xandros_networks2.png I like it ;)
[07:27] <pef> have to go, bye !


[22:00] <tjaalton> RAOF: there's a patch for xorg-server in xenial/yakkety sru queue that would need some love, in case you're not too busy. I'm not sure arges is doing these anymore after leaving
[22:03] <RAOF> I did notice that when doing the SRU processing yesterday, but sampled from the older SRUs instead.
[22:04] <RAOF> Enjoy your SRUs!
[22:06] <tjaalton> excellent! that gives a day for a project to build it's image before the deadline :P
[22:07] <tjaalton> hmm past midnight -grammar.. with that, I'm off
[22:17] <RAOF> :)


[02:50] <xiedeacc> when I install ubuntu 17.04, it prompts apci error, how to solve it ?
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[06:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[06:41] <ducasse> morning all
[06:58] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:01] <ducasse> good morning, lordievader - everything well?
[07:27] <lordievader> Yes, doing good here :)
[07:27] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:42] <ducasse> fine, thanks - quiet holiday time :)
[07:43] <immu> ducasse: hi
[07:44] <ducasse> \o
[08:14] <immu> ducasse: where is blue? updating his system?
[08:16] <ducasse> immu: sleeping still, i would think. too early there for him to be up yet.
[08:28] <lordievader> immu: Check back in a few hours.
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[08:59] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader all good on your side?
[08:59] <lordievader> Yes, doing good here.
[09:00] <lordievader> How are you?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> great here, 5 days off work
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> little holiday
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse :p
[09:01] <ducasse> morning lotuspsychje :)
[09:01] <ducasse> how's life?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> great here mate, about you?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> happy to read ubuntu-gnome will merge with ubuntu desktop vanilla
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> so both ways 16.04 will result in vanilla gnome
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> so ill test 16.04.2 gnome soon
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> see if it pleasures me for my business
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> system76 already said to work with a 'tuned' gnome
[09:05] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Nice
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-gnome
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> so if gnome will not be a seperate flavor, #ubuntu-gnome channel will close?
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !falvors
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !flavors
[09:09] <EriC^^> heya lotuspsychje
[09:09] <lotuspsychje> hey hey EriC^^ good morning mate
[09:09] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[09:09] <baizon> it is done
[09:09] <baizon> ;(
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon , what is?
[09:10] <baizon> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Gellivara" 17.0.1 • CPU: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 B55 Processor (2,50GHz) • Memory: 7,6 GiB Total (5,5 GiB Free) • Storage: 66,1 GB / 501,7 GB (435,5 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Ellesmere [Radeon RX 470/480] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RD790 Host Bridge • Uptime: 47m 35s
[09:10] <ducasse> _manjaro_?!
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> new mobo & cpu?
[09:10] <ducasse> ;)
[09:10] <EriC^^> hey ducasse
[09:11] <baizon> lotuspsychje: on my list, wanted to wait until ubuntu 17.04 with 4.10 kernel
[09:11] <baizon> but now im on manjaro with RR, so i can buy it now :)
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> baizon: yay!
[09:11] <baizon> i have to spent 450$
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> wow
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> mobo & cpu or ram also?
[09:12] <baizon> also ram
[09:12] <baizon> 8GB costs 100
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> ssd inside?
[09:12] <baizon> got an Samsung 500GB SSD
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> evo or pro?
[09:12] <baizon> evo
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> baizon: checked samsungs website for firmware update?
[09:12] <baizon> none
[09:12] <baizon> yes i did check it
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> baizon: great, tnx for feedback
[09:13] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: do those wipe the disk?
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they warn about data loss, but no, ive tested it
[09:13] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: thx
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: some of those early models needed read/write firmware on evo
[09:14] <ducasse> i have two 850 evos, was thinking of updating the fw...
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> baizon: you will switch to gnome also?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well i think as baizon just said, there might be none for the 850
[09:15] <baizon> lotuspsychje: no, i switched to kde
[09:15] <baizon> i just cant handle gnome
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> baizon: feels light in use?
[09:15] <baizon> lotuspsychje: very
[09:15] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: that depends on the fw version you already have :)
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> baizon: well ive used gnome in the early ubuntu days..was pretty light n nice on that time
[09:16] <baizon> lotuspsychje: im just not sure about manjaro
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> but havent used gnome for years now..
[09:16] <baizon> maybe ill switch to kubuntu
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ah i see :p
[09:16] <baizon> lotuspsychje: i did use gnome 2, then with 3 i switched to unity
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> baizon: what is it that you dont like about gnome 3?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> just for feedback..
[09:17] <baizon> lotuspsychje: ui, just everything isnt pc-like, its for tablets and stuff
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> feel sluggish to use?
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> well what shuttleworth said i find a bit controversial..
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> says not to interfere with gnome ways, but still they will create an ubuntu-minded gnome?
[09:18] <Ben64> probably a skin
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: make it look abit more ubuntu?
[09:19] <Ben64> i don't like the whole 'need gpu' to run a desktop thing
[09:19] <Ben64> i want to use my gpu for gpu stuff
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> yeah agree on that
[09:19] <baizon> yes, also he cant go to kde, because he was the one that fired the kubuntu head guy
[09:20] <Ben64> i mean i did run compiz back in the day
[09:20] <Ben64> but then i got old enough to drink :P
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:20] <baizon> but i have to say kde is pretty smooth :)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> wayland cant do compiz right?
[09:20] <Ben64> also that was on rh9
[09:20] <Ben64> so that dates that
[09:20] <baizon> no, thats why unity 7 is dead
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> oh..
[09:20] <Ben64> i don't know if wayland can do anything
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> well big distro's use it atm..so there must be a reason wayland is good?
[09:21] <Ben64> well i mean i just don't know about it
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> or will that be thenext unity8 broken dream?
[09:21] <ducasse> wayland actually is getting pretty usable
[09:22] <EriC^^> i think wayland has better security than xorg for sure
[09:22] <EriC^^> i remember reading that somewhere, it's supposed to be better in many ways, like more modern and stuff
[09:23] <EriC^^> 18.04 will have wayland?
[09:23] <ducasse> very likely
[09:23] <Ben64> what about mir
[09:23] <Ben64> is that still a thing
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> mir is for unity8 right
[09:23] <Ben64> ooh maybe
[09:24] <Ben64> wonder if that's dead now?
[09:24] <ducasse> yep, mir was now relegated to embedded aiui
[09:25] <EriC^^> anybody have experience in selling buying bitcoin? lotuspsychje ?
[09:25] <Ben64> i have
[09:25] <Ben64> should have got in when bitcoin was <$1
[09:25] <Ben64> wouldn't be hanging out here will all you free os people anymore
[09:25] <Ben64> jk, i'd still be here, probably more often even
[09:26] <EriC^^> i was trying to buy some bitcoin, and i saw they sell for $1297/bitcoin, with current price being $1197 in google, and it said the guy been on the site for 3months with 1000+trades and 622people, so if you do the math it's like an average of $16000 profit per month, wth is this real?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: sorry, no, there's a bitcoin channel on freenode i know
[09:26] <Ben64> EriC^^: wait what
[09:26] <EriC^^> if half the people bought $500 in bitcoin, that's $50 profit each time, 50x1000 that's 50,000usd he made in 3months O.o
[09:27] <Ben64> who's buying btc for over market value
[09:27] <Ben64> it's ~$1175 currently
[09:28] <Ben64> buy for more than that and you're getting taken
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> pretty sure there's a whole hacker scene on bitcoins
[09:28] <EriC^^> yeah, they sell more cause it's a direct one, like you can meet the guy in person and give him cash and get bitcoin, or through western union
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> so gotta be carefull out there
[09:29] <Ben64> and it actually sells?
[09:29] <EriC^^> also some people want it to be anonymous, like instead of sending through their bank to fund their bitcoin
[09:29] <EriC^^> https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/hamza72/
[09:29] <Ben64> huh.
[09:29] <Ben64> maybe i should start selling btc
[09:29] <EriC^^> it says he has 1000+ trades, 622 people, started 3 months ago
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah bitcoins is big business
[09:29] <EriC^^> there are only 5 people in my country selling, seems pretty hmm
[09:30] <EriC^^> *sha shing* ?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> know a guy who does bitcoin server seeding
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> complicated stuff
[09:30] <Ben64> oh yeah that's tough to get into
[09:30] <Ben64> i made a bit on dogecoin when that was new
[09:30] <Ben64> mined a bunch
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> !info bfgminer
[09:31] <Ben64> i had to compile my own
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> neat
[09:32] <Ben64> yeah i might start selling bitcoin
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> alot forums for that
[09:32] <Ben64> people near me selling for 1200~1300
[09:33] <Ben64> buy for 1175, free money
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> crazy world, real money is vanishing
[09:33] <EriC^^> i'm talking to some guy, i initiated the trade, he's super responsive in the chat and stuff
[09:33] <EriC^^> i wonder if he'll explain a bit about the business since we're both lebanese
[09:33] <Ben64> if you want to buy some, you could just use credit card though
[09:33] <Ben64> maybe its harder in !US
[09:35] <EriC^^> yeah it is harder i think
[09:37] <Ben64> nobody in my immediate area, i'll make a post and see what happens
[09:39] <Ben64> For your ads to display you need to have Bitcoins in your LocalBitcoins wallet. You need 0.2 BTC or more for advertisements with online payment methods and 0.1 BTC or more for local advertisements (Cash).
[09:40] <Ben64> Each completed trade costs advertisers 1% of the total trade amount. See all fees on our fees page.
[09:40] <Ben64> aw
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> nice to find a controversial way to earn money (from home)
[09:40] <EriC^^> not *really* from home
[09:40] <EriC^^> you need to meet up with the guy
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> and actually help the world for dirty 'real' money
[09:41] <Ben64> yeah it seems the in person cash trades are the best
[09:41] <Ben64> could also trade gift cards and stuff, which is interesting
[09:41] <Ben64> those get a worse value than cash of course
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> sounds like johhny nmemonic movie
[09:42] <EriC^^> lol
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> laptops, cash transfers lol
[09:44] <EriC^^> man it made a killing though, bitcoin was around $1-$100 for a long time then went to like $1000+
[09:44] <Ben64> yeah
[09:45] <Ben64> thought it was a trap back then, could have been a millionaire
[09:45] <EriC^^> that's pretty nuts
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest15824
[09:48] <Guest15824> Welcome!
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> oh thank you!
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> wb brunch875
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> !info swig
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> !info swig zesty
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> is !pinning still a valid thing to do really?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> how is that different from backports?
[10:19] <ducasse> why shouldn't it be?
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> was just wondering
[10:21] <ducasse> i rarely do it, though, not something you need often :)
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> true
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> i also rather use things vanilla
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> but on gnome3 ill have to tune things to light/fast for my users :p
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> hmmm no new factoids yet...https://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu&search=&order=added%20DESC&page=0
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> and so many stuff changed recently
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> hey hey BluesKaj
[10:30] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:30] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[10:30] <ducasse> good morning BluesKaj :)
[10:31] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse
[10:43] <immu> BluesKaj: hey goodmorning
[10:50] <BluesKaj> Hi immu
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> https://ubuntugnome.org/ubuntu-gnome-17-04-released/
[11:23] <immu> BluesKaj: whats up : upgraded yet?
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[11:44] <xangua> Morning
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !info xbindkeys
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> !info qgis zesty
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> !info qgis yakkety
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome technochips
[12:05] <technochips> what
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> well-come
[12:05] <technochips> yes i see
[12:06] <technochips> you just welcomed me from me starting up my computer and having polari auto-startup
[12:06] <technochips> thanks
[12:26] <ducasse> that's what you get for trying to be nice, lotuspsychje ;)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> wth was he talking about ?
[12:31] <ducasse> "how dare you highlight me", probably...
[12:36] <BluesKaj> then he should shut off notification links
[12:37] <ducasse> or not autojoin channels he's not following anyway, maybe.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:37] <ducasse> so, are you still on debian?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:38] <ducasse> what is it you prefer to ubuntu?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> I'm using it as a back fall in kubuntu goes kaput...they aren't much different except for the default installed packages
[12:40] <BluesKaj> in case
[12:42] <ducasse> right. i'm getting a little annoyed with the "autostart all the things!" thing in ubuntu, i've disabled and removed a lot of default stuff.
[12:42] <BluesKaj> I used debian many yrs ago, but when i discovered kubuntu it was easier to use in my early linux days and ai stayed with it
[12:43] <ducasse> i've been thinking about switching to sid, but first i'm testing out arch. kind of like it so far, it reminds me of slackware in some ways.
[12:44] <BluesKaj> I'm still on kubuntu 17.04 and will probly start testing 17.10 in the next few weeks
[12:45] <ducasse> me too :) the laptop is for testing stuff :)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> lots of the kubuntu testers use VMs as testbeds, but ai've never found them reliable so I still dual boot
[12:46] <BluesKaj> I've switched to debian-jessie on the laptop ...very stable
[12:47] <ducasse> besides, testing on hardware is better. if everybody tested on vms there would only be so many different results.
[12:48] <ducasse> jessie is dead stable, but too old for my use. there are certain things i use that 'need' to be newer versions.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> the reason i switched to debian on the laptop was I was getting false hardrive errors on kubuntu 16.10 and It would revert back to the same errors even after using e2fsck to fix it. plus wifi was giving me problems
[12:55] <ducasse> weird, but these things happen. i got some ata errors from my bluray writer after burning an iso yesterday, thinking of ripping it out.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ducasse:  does brasero work ok , or do you use wodim?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> k3b has been hopeless on my machines for over 2 yrs now, I files a couple of bugs , but they didn't receive much prority so I just switched to wodim in the terminal
[13:03] <ducasse> i used xfburn, actually. worked like a charm. i didn't want a ton of deps, so brasero and k3b were both out.
[13:04] <ducasse> i _could_ have used wodim, but for some reason i've always hated dealing with it directly.
[13:06] <BluesKaj> right
[13:07] <ducasse> xfburn doesn't have lots of functionality like k3b, but for just burning an existing iso it's usable.
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: im always being nice :p
[13:48] <ducasse> i know you are :)
[13:49] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: just set up an lxc container to isolate wine, i need it for winbox
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: their working at our flat roof here
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ah yeah that router app you needed
[13:49] <ducasse> working? doing what?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: place epdm roofing, you know that?
[13:50] <ducasse> (yes, it's for the mikrotik boxes.)
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: its from the same material firestone uses for its tires
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they give 50 years garantueed life & waterproof on it
[13:51] <ducasse> oh, right, for waterproofing or something?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> yep
[13:53] <ducasse> good, will they finish today?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, the second roof tomorrow (if it doesnt rain)
[13:55] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: better hope for nice weather then :)
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah :p
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well the first guy that cam to see, said 12.000 euro
[13:55] <ducasse> ouch :-(
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: so now we found a second opinion
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> will do it for much less
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> like 6000 for the material now
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> lot of money for just a roof :p
[13:59] <ducasse> absolutely, but better than water dripping inside :)
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> exactly
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> we want it all made up once and for good
[14:01] <ducasse> and it feels so much better when all those things are fixed :)
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nothing to find as winbox alternative, too bad, all forums show wine
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: we had water damage with the last snow, so we wanna avoid that in the future
[14:02] <ducasse> i can use the web ui or ssh, but winbox has a few things the others don't.
[14:03] <ducasse> i found this really nice router monitoring thing - routers2. uses snmp to get data, draws nice graphs and calculates totals etc.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> cool
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> etherape for routers :p
[14:05] <ducasse> it generates web pages that i serve locally with apache, works like a charm :)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> nice
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> hi philipballew
[14:05] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: http://www.steveshipway.org/software/index2.html
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> summary screens lookin handy
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> hey nacc
[14:11] <nacc> lotuspsychje: morning
[14:11] <ducasse> \o nacc
[14:11] <nacc> how's everyone this morning?
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> nacc: we had a very noobie troll morning
[14:12] <nacc> oh excellent
[14:12] <nacc> sad to have missed it :)
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> +the regular non-lts 17.04 oops its not LTS?
[14:14] <nacc> no
[14:14] <nacc> 16.04 and 18.04 are lts
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:14] <nacc> lotuspsychje: context?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> nacc: i mean we having a bunch of such users
[14:15] <nacc> lotuspsychje: oh! that was the troll?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> severals
[14:16] <nacc> great
[14:17] <nacc> one sec, puppy is clearly eating somethig she's not supposed to
[14:17] <nacc> (too quiet)
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-1704-desks&num=1
[14:21]  * nacc hasn't played a non-steam-board-game computer game in ... 10 years?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:22] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje:  I don't trust phoronix, it's led me astray in th epast
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> especially with graphics advice
[14:24] <BluesKaj> so i stay away now when it come sup on google, which it seems to do a lot
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:27] <ducasse> never read phoronix, the focus on graphics/gaming is not to my taste.
[14:27] <nacc> and very specific high-end rigs
[14:27] <nacc> which i think are not relevant
[14:28] <nacc> also, honestly, who honestly cares about gaming on linux?
[14:28] <nacc> err, not two honestly's :)
[14:28] <nacc> and by who, i mean, who is going to make it better?
[14:29] <nacc> steam, i guess, but they aren't doing the graphics work itself
[14:30] <ducasse> imvho, if you want to do gaming you probably shouldn't be on linux.
[14:30] <nacc> yeah
[14:30] <nacc> if that's your #1 use case
[14:33] <ducasse> i'm curious if wayland will make any difference there. of course the drivers still need to improve, but it's my impression wayland throws up fewer roadblocks than x.
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> https://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2017/01/15/the-current-state-of-gaming-on-wayland/
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> thats few months ago
[14:43] <nacc> ducasse: i think it will hopefully encourage some improvements at the now common graphcis stack
[14:43] <nacc> improvements that it felt like x was never going to make
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: did you read this1? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/android-apps-linux-desktop-anbox
[14:46] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yes, we've had a few users complain that it doesn't work, even though the github page says "pre-alpha, expect crashes, not for end users" :)
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but its a start right, good idea?
[14:48] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: of course, although i personally don't care about it. i have no need for it.
[14:49] <ducasse> that snap runs totally unconfined, though, which is probably a really bad idea with random android apps.
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> lol yeah
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> the lack of apps on touch were a pain for many users
[14:50] <ducasse> that was where this could be necessary, now it seems more like a fun idea than useful to me.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> !grep
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> nacc: see what i mean with whole morning trolls :p
[15:08] <nacc> yeah
[15:08] <nacc> there should be a !shutup trigger
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> we have a lot of triggers suggestions, but nobody cares anymore so it seems nacc
[15:09] <nacc> lotuspsychje: :)
[15:09] <nacc> i got one fix in a while back
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah that hw kernel?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> we need a modern trigger adding by the volunteers
[15:15] <nacc> yeah
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> something that records our sugests
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> hmm perhaps ill talk to genii about it
[15:17] <nacc> yeah, that should be relatively easy to bot itself
[15:17] <nacc> or put them on the wiki?
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> nacc: the factoid wiki, or a wiki that would records our suggestions?
[15:19] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i'm not sure which makes sense
[15:19] <nacc> i think the latter
[15:19] <nacc> as someone has to approve the suggestion to the factoid
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> also good idea
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> but right now, our attempts get lost in ubuntu ops timezones
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> so in theory we have to repeat over and over for someone to see and has time to add
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> not very practical
[15:22] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> DArqueBishop: can you explain that statement?
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> DArqueBishop: think 17.10 wont have gnome?
[15:29] <DArqueBishop> lotuspsychje: I don't know. I'm hardly an expert and saying "I'm pretty sure" gives me room to be wrong.
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> think ive read somewhere it might happen, as a test before 18.04
[15:30] <DArqueBishop> I should say, "I don't know for certain, but I'm going by what I read."
[15:30] <DArqueBishop> (What I thought I read.)
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> lets c what the future will bring us
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> welcome krypto_
[15:34] <krypto_> hey lotuspsychje
[15:55] <baizon> wow, kde is pretty awesome to be honest :)
[15:55] <baizon> it feels much "newer" then unity
[16:02] <ducasse> twm is all you need ;)
[16:19] <ducasse> ruh-roh, he's back...
[16:36] <baizon> thank god i dont have nvidia :D so many problems with it when using bleeding edge :>
[16:40] <daftykins> none i've ever heard about :)
[16:40] <daftykins> you must be going out of your way to be awkward to get problems with nvidia
[16:40] <oerheks> there is a bug with ubuntu-gnome + nvidia 375 .. well, only on gnome
[16:41] <oerheks> dkms is not created
[16:41] <daftykins> oh 17.04 talk?
[16:41] <oerheks> jups
[16:42] <daftykins> heh this years releases are moot to me ;D all the cool kids run LTS!
[16:42]  * Menzador installs Arch onto daftykins ' main machine.
[16:43] <daftykins> no thanks, i'm not a computer chav
[16:43] <daftykins> ricing my OS
[16:44] <ducasse> daftykins: don't use that ghastly word, please :)
[16:45]  * daftykins chases ducasse with a packet of rice
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> pizzatime laterz guys
[18:06] <kvant> I've tried Fedora Gnome, Ubuntu Gnome and several other options and came back to Ubuntu Unity, I think that people don't even know how good this we have it now (I respect that some might prefer Gnome though)
[18:06] <daftykins> technically it *is* gnome :>
[18:07] <kvant> Unity shell vs. Gnome shell
[18:08] <daftykins> yes, obvious
[18:14] <brunch875> fedora gnome has some big pros, such as the behaviour of notifications and the bleeding edge of packages
[18:14] <brunch875> or even wayland
[18:14] <brunch875> but drivers for the video card are a massive headache
[18:15] <kvant> yes, ofc, it's a very fine system, but for my desktop work, despite being years and years old, this Unity desktop is miles ahead, esthetically and in terms of workflow
[18:16] <daftykins> fedora is hilariously backwards when it comes to non-free drivers
[18:16] <kvant> wayland is still not totally ready, for example I had terrible fps in steam games under wayland, had to run gnome under xorg
[18:17] <kvant> daftykins, I can life with rpmfusion etc., but it's still such a better user experience to get it all ready out of the box on ubuntu
[18:17] <kvant> live*


[03:02] <DeusQain> What would be the best way to go about getting Cinelerra included in the next release?
[03:03] <holstein> DeusQain: sudo apt-get install cinelerra ;)
[03:05] <DeusQain> while you are very accurate on how to install said software.  You didn't answer my question.
[03:05] <holstein> DeusQain: i was hoping that would imply an answer though ;)
[03:06] <holstein> i dont think its going to happen
[03:06] <holstein> but, you can ask over in #ubuntustudio-devel
[03:06] <holstein> and on the mailing list
[03:06] <DeusQain> excellent.
[03:06] <DeusQain> thank you.
[17:30] <mlpug> I have fluidsynth and jackd running. I can hear all bells and whistles OK when using ZynAddSubFX with mouse. I hear nothing when I try to use my USB Midi kbd (keyrig 49). I expected to see that in the left side of MIDI tab of qjackctl connections but its empty. lsusb recognises the keyboard. Any ideas what I am missing here or how to troubleshoot?
[17:30] <mlpug> for example, is there some lower level way to see whether the kbd sends some midi events or not?
[18:16] <mlpug> my earlier case is closed: now my keyboard works. I was on wrong midi channel.
[19:49] <holstein> mlpug: COOL
[19:50] <holstein> there was a great package for that
[19:50] <holstein> i saw ailo suggest it
[19:50] <holstein> reads midi events
[20:29] <Strangebrew> is there a list of sound cards that work well with ubuntu?
[20:29] <holstein> Strangebrew: i can tell you a few places to look
[20:29] <Strangebrew> that would be great
[20:29] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[20:30] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list
[20:30] <holstein> other than that, i would say try and find someone useing the device
[20:31] <holstein> the presonus firepod
[20:31] <holstein> now the FP-10
[20:31] <holstein> works great out of the box
[20:31] <Strangebrew> thanks!  i'm kinda new so i'm looking for something cheap( less than 350$)
[20:31] <holstein> the zoom H4 is pretty sweet
[20:31] <holstein> the maudio delta 1010lts
[20:31] <holstein> out of the box
[20:31] <holstein> and cheap
[20:32] <holstein> the focusrite saphirePRO40
[20:32] <holstein> ^^ thats probably the most bang for the buck
[20:32] <Strangebrew> oh great , thank you so much! i will check those
[20:32] <holstein> you have to tweak a bit to get it working
[20:32] <holstein> Strangebrew: also, #opensourcemusicians
[20:32] <holstein> if you have a specific device
[20:32] <holstein> might find someone using it there
[20:32] <holstein> i hear about the maudio fastracks
[20:32] <holstein> and cant remember which are good
[20:33] <Strangebrew> i have line 6 toneport which doesnt seem to work
[20:33] <holstein> USB ?
[20:33] <Strangebrew> yeah
[20:33] <holstein> you can try running lsusb
[20:33] <holstein> see if you see it there
[20:33] <holstein> ^^ thats in a terminal
[20:33] <holstein> then
[20:33] <Strangebrew> the drivers are installed and i can see it in the sound preferneces
[20:33] <holstein> aplay -l
[20:33] <Strangebrew> but no sound coming in
[20:33] <holstein> and arecord -l
[20:34] <holstein> IF you see the device in those locations
[20:34] <holstein> you have a pretty good chance
[20:35] <Strangebrew> yeah, but something must be wrong with the device..i cant see any signal on the input
[20:35] <holstein> Strangebrew: but you see the device?
[20:35] <holstein> all those places?
[20:35] <Strangebrew> in sound pref
[20:35] <Strangebrew> only checked there
[20:36] <holstein> check those
[20:36] <holstein> then, try running alsamixer
[20:36] <Strangebrew> ok just a minute
[20:37] <Strangebrew> btw, i'm on ubuntu now (not ubuntustudio)...
[20:38] <holstein> yeah, ubuntu=ubuntustudio
[20:38] <holstein> you have JACK right?
[20:39] <Strangebrew> JACK? not sure, havent downloaded it myself
[20:40] <Strangebrew> i'll look for it
[20:40] <holstein> Strangebrew: you'll want that
[20:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get install qjackctl
[20:40] <holstein> and read through the dependencies
[20:40] <holstein> should see jack2 or jackd
[20:40] <holstein> and others
[20:41] <Strangebrew> downloading qjackct now
[20:42] <holstein> Strangebrew: and JACK right?
[20:42] <holstein> you saw that in the list too?
[20:42] <holstein> maybe 20 packages or so right?
[20:42] <Strangebrew> nope only 10:\
[20:42] <Strangebrew> and jackd wandt there
[20:42] <holstein> probably right
[20:42] <holstein> hmmm
[20:42] <Strangebrew> wasnt
[20:43] <holstein> will see...
[20:43] <Strangebrew> maybe it will be fine, ill check it
[20:43] <holstein> run
[20:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install jackd
[20:43] <holstein> when that install is done
[20:44] <Strangebrew> running
[20:45] <Strangebrew> the input level still doesnt show a thing:\
[20:46] <holstein> right
[20:46] <holstein> dont worry about that yet
[20:46] <Strangebrew> do i need to restart something?
[20:46] <holstein> Strangebrew: you'll want to learn how to use jack
[20:46] <holstein> its not trivial
[20:47] <Strangebrew> where can i read about it?
[20:47] <holstein> but it is really where the 'magic' of linux audio happens
[20:47] <holstein> well, http://jackaudio.org/
[20:47] <holstein> for a start
[20:47] <holstein> but, asking in here, and that other channel i linked
[20:47] <holstein> anyhow
[20:47] <holstein> Strangebrew: open a terminal
[20:47] <holstein> ans type
[20:47] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[20:48] <holstein> try hitting the start button
[20:48] <holstein> and tell me what happens?
[20:49] <Strangebrew> well i see RT with changing precentages right to it
[20:49] <holstein> Strangebrew: cool
[20:50] <holstein> ok hit the stop button
[20:50] <holstein> then, when it has stopped
[20:50] <holstein> hit quit
[20:50] <Strangebrew> done
[20:50] <holstein> then, start it as normal user
[20:50] <holstein> either qjackctl
[20:50] <holstein> or in the menu
[20:50] <holstein> jack control
[20:50] <holstein> and try hitting start again
[20:51] <Strangebrew> same situation
[20:51] <holstein> cool
[20:51] <holstein> no errors
[20:51] <holstein> just running?
[20:51] <holstein> right?
[20:51] <Strangebrew> nope
[20:51] <Strangebrew> right
[20:51] <holstein> awesome
[20:51] <holstein> ok, that is JACK
[20:51] <holstein> running with your internal sound card
[20:51] <holstein> you'll probably see an xrun here and there
[20:51] <holstein> little red #'s
[20:52] <holstein> in the jack control panel
[20:52] <holstein> BUT, dont worry about that right now
[20:52] <holstein> what we are going to do is
[20:52] <holstein> stop jack
[20:52] <holstein> with the stop button
[20:52] <holstein> on jack contol there
[20:52] <holstein> then, hit the setup button
[20:52] <holstein> and lets look for the line6
[20:52] <holstein> Strangebrew: jack control = qjackctl
[20:52] <holstein> a GUI frontend to JACK
[20:53] <holstein> for setting it up
[20:53] <holstein> and running it
[20:53] <holstein> *and stopping it
[20:53] <Strangebrew> ok
[20:53] <Strangebrew> so i need to look for the line 6 driver in the setup?
[20:53] <holstein> OK...
[20:54] <holstein> you see 'driver'
[20:54] <holstein> that will need to stay set to ALSA
[20:54] <holstein> but
[20:54] <holstein> under that
[20:54] <holstein> you see hw:0
[20:54] <holstein> actually...
[20:54] <holstein> before we do that
[20:54] <holstein> up at the top
[20:54] <holstein> you see preset name
[20:54] <Strangebrew> yep
[20:54] <holstein> go in there and name this preset 'working'
[20:55] <holstein> and save it
[20:55] <holstein> THEN
[20:55] <holstein> name it line6 and save it again
[20:55] <holstein> and lets mess with the line6 one
[20:55] <holstein> and you can always come back to working
[20:55] <holstein> :)
[20:55] <Strangebrew> good idea:)
[20:56] <Strangebrew> so, i need to try all the interfaces available?
[20:56] <holstein> OK
[20:56] <holstein> so in the line6 preset
[20:56] <holstein> under the ALSA driver setting
[20:56] <holstein> you see hw:0
[20:56] <holstein> and an arrow point down
[20:57] <holstein> there is also an arrow pointing right
[20:57] <holstein> click both of those
[20:57] <holstein> and see if you see the line6 ?
[20:58] <Strangebrew> yeah, on the right pointing arrow  i see   two options with UX1 Toneport
[20:58] <Strangebrew> hw:1  and  hw:1,0
[21:02] <holstein> Strangebrew: really not much to do but experiment around
[21:03] <holstein> and try to get the line6 going
[21:03] <holstein> you'll need to learn a bit about JACK routing
[21:03] <holstein> like, opening ardour
[21:03] <holstein> and creating a track
[21:03] <holstein> and routing the line6 over to that track you make
[21:03] <holstein> or testing
[21:03] <holstein> for*
[21:04] <Strangebrew> ok, i will look into jack,  thank you so much holstein! you helped me alot
[21:04] <holstein> Strangebrew: anytime
[21:04] <holstein> IF you see it there
[21:04] <holstein> in JACK
[21:04] <holstein> i think you have a good chance of using it with JACK
[21:04] <holstein> and it working
[21:04] <holstein> and thats really what you want
[21:05] <holstein> its a different workflow from win or OSX usually
[21:05] <holstein> *unless you are using JACK in win or OSX
[21:05] <holstein> but, JACK is just awesome
[21:05] <holstein> and totally worth the learning curve
[21:06] <Strangebrew> are you experienced with win music production  software?
[21:06] <holstein> i used to use cubase
[21:06] <holstein> and ive been around a bunch of win and OSX in studios
[21:06] <holstein> protools or whatever
[21:07] <holstein> i dont have a lot of MIDI experience
[21:07] <Strangebrew> and you prefer ubuntu from professional point of view ( or is it ideological, open-source)?
[21:08] <holstein> JACK is awesome
[21:08] <holstein> and ardour too
[21:08] <holstein> i personally prefer the software in everyway
[21:08] <holstein> not just because its open
[21:08] <Strangebrew> i guess that i'm not a MIDI guy too, gonna use it for recording guitar and vocals
[21:09] <holstein> but, the workflow is more like a studio
[21:09] <holstein> for example
[21:09] <holstein> if i download a reverb
[21:09] <holstein> it shows up in JACK
[21:09] <holstein> and i use it
[21:09] <holstein> route whatever i want to it
[21:09] <holstein> with a virtual cable
[21:09] <holstein> just like the workflow in a studio
[21:09] <holstein> some software is interconnected like that in win and OSX
[21:09] <Strangebrew> sounds nice
[21:09] <holstein> but, not to this degree
[21:10] <holstein> is it always rock-solid?
[21:10] <holstein> of course not
[21:10] <holstein> but neither are the closed alternatives
[21:11] <Strangebrew> well thats good to hear..i always thought that only open-source people  are using those open-source software
[21:12] <holstein> im sure thats a big part of it
[21:12] <Strangebrew> and the closed ones topped them
[21:12] <holstein> and i do like the ideals
[21:12] <holstein> in general
[21:12] <holstein> but, im also into everyone having the right tools for the job
[21:12] <holstein> and if that is pro-tools
[21:12] <holstein> or cubase
[21:12] <holstein> whatever
[21:12] <holstein> go for it
[21:13] <holstein> but, its not fair to say one platform or app is more capable
[21:13] <holstein> unless it actually is
[21:13] <Strangebrew> glad to hear an open-mind opinion
[21:13] <holstein> mostly its opinion
[21:13] <holstein> like, for example
[21:13] <holstein> ardour hasnt had MIDI support
[21:13] <holstein> ardour 3.x will have it
[21:13] <holstein> that should be out in a couple months
[21:14] <holstein> but, MIDI folks can use JACK
[21:14] <Strangebrew> but theres an alternative to ardour right?
[21:14] <holstein> and whatever MIDI sequencer they want
[21:14] <holstein> with ardour
[21:14] <Strangebrew> oh
[21:14] <Strangebrew> ok
[21:14] <holstein> Strangebrew: yeah, or a whole other DAW
[21:14] <holstein> BUT, if a midi guy preffered the workflow of something else
[21:14] <holstein> whatever
[21:14] <holstein> i cant argue with that
[21:14] <holstein> just dont tell me linux cant do it :)
[21:15] <Strangebrew> :)
[21:15] <Strangebrew> btw, where can i hear your music?
[21:16] <holstein> i just did a little solo bass thing
[21:16] <holstein> for the RPM challenge
[21:16] <holstein> and put it up and bandcamp
[21:16] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[21:17] <holstein> this is more what i do though
[21:17] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s
[21:17] <holstein> not my composition there though ^^
[21:17] <holstein> thats the piano players tune
[21:17] <holstein> Strangebrew: you have some music around?
[21:18] <Strangebrew> thats amazing holstein, now i'm sure i (potentially) can do what i want in linux
[21:19] <holstein> Strangebrew: theres more MIDI folk in that other channel
[21:19] <holstein> if you need
[21:19] <holstein> i dabble at best in that
[21:19] <Strangebrew> nope..i'm just getting into recording seriously... i've got a jamman
[21:19] <holstein> AH
[21:20] <holstein> ive been messing with sooperlooper
[21:20] <holstein> you checked out zoe keating?
[21:20] <holstein> she really inspired me
[21:20] <Strangebrew> on bandcamp?
[21:20] <Strangebrew> dont know her
[21:20] <holstein> http://www.zoekeating.com/
[21:20] <Strangebrew> oh heh:)
[21:20] <holstein> she uses sooperlooper on OSX
[21:20] <Strangebrew> will check that
[21:20] <holstein> i was learning sooperlooper
[21:20] <holstein> and i heard her stuff
[21:20] <Strangebrew> sooperlooper is available on ubuntu?
[21:21] <holstein> and though, wonder what software she is useing
[21:21] <holstein> and its the same ;)
[21:21] <holstein> Strangebrew: yeah, its in the repos
[21:21] <holstein> all the ubuntustudio stuff is in the default repo now
[21:21] <holstein> you dont need to install ubuntustudio
[21:21] <holstein> just whatever software you want
[21:21] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:23] <Strangebrew> oh good, seems a little complicated but i guess thats better than installing ubuntu all-over again
[21:24] <holstein> Strangebrew: well, you dont need all of those
[21:24] <holstein> or any of those
[21:24] <holstein> the metapackages are just a group of packages
[21:24] <holstein> i usually get
[21:24] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio
[21:24] <holstein> and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:24] <holstein> sometimes the menu
[21:25] <holstein> and maybe a kernel
[21:25] <Strangebrew> and the tweeks?
[21:25] <holstein> but, you can just install the software you want
[21:25] <holstein> as you go
[21:25] <holstein> Strangebrew: the network manager is not installed
[21:25] <holstein> in ubunutstudio
[21:25] <holstein> but, i wouldnt worry about that
[21:25] <holstein> unless you have trouble
[21:25] <holstein> Strangebrew: not many tweeks needed anymore
[21:27] <Strangebrew> great, so i'll get on with that now:)
[21:27] <holstein> Strangebrew: :)
[21:27] <Strangebrew> thanks again!
[21:27] <holstein> anytime