[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #139492 in launchpad "Failed build email is misleading over control file lists section" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139492
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139495 in launchpad "Beta testers are redirected even when logged out" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139495
[01:26] <dthacker> hi, did PPA 101 get logged somewhere?
[01:27] <laga> dthacker: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 ?
[01:27] <dthacker> laga: thank you!
[08:03] <StevenK> How do I go about getting the packages removed from my PPA?
[08:37] <carlos> morning
[08:37] <BjornT> StevenK: atm i think it's quite hard even for the admins to remove packages from PPA. what's the reason you want to remove them?
[08:37] <BjornT> StevenK: (they are working on making it possible to remove packages yourself)
[08:39] <StevenK> BjornT: The reason is because the packages are now available in Gutsy directly
[08:42] <poolie> hi
[08:42] <poolie> would anyone like to fix bug 129778 for me for fix-it-friday?
[08:43] <poolie> it seems like it should be trivial
[08:43] <BjornT> StevenK: ok. would it be a real problem keeping the packages in your PPA for a while, or can you wait until they made it possible to remove packages?
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129778 in launchpad "bad coloring in milestone page" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129778
[08:43] <poolie> and it niggles me whenever i look at a bug list
[08:43] <BjornT> StevenK: if you can't wait, you could try filing a question at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+addquestion (or talk to cprov on IRC)
[08:45] <BjornT> poolie: i think mpt is the best person to decide which colors to use, and he's not here atm
[08:46] <poolie> BjornT: i guess he's left for the week
[08:46] <poolie> i think basically someone forgot this when 'triaged' was added
[08:47] <poolie> i can assign it to him if you like
[08:50] <BjornT> poolie: yes, please assign it to him. to me it's not clear if triaged should have the same color as confirmed, or yet another color.
[08:51] <poolie> k
[08:51] <poolie> but you agree it's not black?
[08:51] <poolie> i mean, shouldn't be black
[09:00] <BjornT> poolie: yes i agree, it shouldn't be black
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #139550 in soyuz "sync-source.py broke: column "published" does not exist " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139550
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #139568 in rosetta "Directly set property values instead of using methods in GettextPOImporter, MozillaXpiImporter" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139568
[12:34] <Kmos> OOPS-622EA31
[12:34] <Kmos> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geneweb -> when trying to open this
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> hi,i've got problem with PPA
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> Rejected:
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> Unable to find libopensync-plugin-kdepim_0.19.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[12:53] <^^MAg^^> i just used dput with .changes file
[12:57] <laga> ^^MAg^^: did you upload the orig.tar.gz?
[01:07] <^^MAg^^> hmm nope, i thoughy it was done automaticly
[01:07] <laga> when you're building your source package
[01:07] <^^MAg^^> dput only takes .changes file as argument
[01:08] <laga> you need to run debuild -S -sa
[01:08] <laga> the -sa is the important bit
[01:08] <^^MAg^^> ah
[01:08] <^^MAg^^> ok
[01:08] <laga> it'll include the orig.tar.gz in the upload then
[01:08] <^^MAg^^> uhm, os there a way to remove currently uploaded version from PPA ?
[01:08] <^^MAg^^> s/os/is/
[01:09] <laga> no
[01:09] <laga> re-upload with a newer version number
[01:24] <^^MAg^^> hmm i got mail that it was accepted, but id does not show on my ppa page
[01:24] <^^MAg^^> a ok, it's not in build records but it's on the main page
[01:24] <laga> ^^MAg^^: it takes some time. wait for a few hours
[01:24] <laga> ah, godo :)
[01:25] <laga> good*
[01:26] <^^MAg^^> 1 Sources (400.3 KiB)
[01:26] <^^MAg^^> 0 Binaries (0 bytes)
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Builds should appear within a couple of minutes.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> If not already.
[01:30] <mwh> hm
[01:31] <mwh> running the upgrade to gutsy in parallels when the host system is short on disk space --> excitement
[01:37] <jwendell> Hi, folks
[01:38] <jwendell> i have an issue on bug #57803. I don't know if it's a launchpad's bug or feature ;)
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57803 in xorg "xorg.conf has wrong font paths, resulting in failure to find some fonts (dup-of: 63408)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57803
[01:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63408 in xorg "failing to find fonts: dexconf writes bogus FontPaths" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63408
[01:39] <jwendell> someone has added vino to that bug, and i've invalidated it. But i'm still getting mails from that bug, as i'm a bug contact for vino
[01:41] <^^MAg^^> do you plan some button like "Hey we found the fix, if you are the maintainer of this package wake up!" ?
[01:45] <kiko> jwendell, it's a known bug that we still email contacts for invalidated tasks
[01:46] <Fujitsu> ^^MAg^^: We don't have maintainers in Ubuntu, as such. You want to follow the sponsorship process, asking in #ubuntu-motu is probably the best idea.
[01:46] <jwendell> kiko, ah ok, thanks
[01:46] <kiko> jwendell, one question is whether you wouldn't want to listen if somebody says "no, this isn't invalid!!"
[01:46] <kiko> jwendell, I think in that case we might need to change the UI to not give the impression someone'd be paying attention, IYKWIM
[01:47] <jwendell> kiko, yeah, that's a problem
[01:48] <kiko> I wonder how we'd do that. I mean, we'd remove you from the subscribers portlet...
[01:48] <^^MAg^^> Fujitsu: I mean a situation like bug #134622 - rebuild fixes the main problem but other small issues remain
[01:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134622 in opensync "kitchensync - opensync synchronization crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134622
[01:48] <kiko> jwendell, maybe that, in conjunction with a warning when adding a comment "This bug has no other subscribers; no-one will be notified of your comment"
[01:49] <kiko> I don't know. users don't read etc.
[01:50] <Fujitsu> ^^MAg^^: Right. Produce a debdiff, subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors.
[01:50] <jwendell> kiko, you should do like irc, if someones writes your nickname, the xchat blinks the window
[01:50] <jwendell> kiko, got?
[01:51] <kiko> jwendell, I don't think I understand what you meant. :)
[01:51] <jwendell> kiko, if somebody write any comment, i don't want to be notified by email
[01:52] <jwendell> kiko, but if he tells my name, i want to be notified by mail
[01:52] <kiko> jwendell, /any/ comment?
[01:52] <kiko> heh
[01:52] <kiko> that's an interesting idea. hard to implement, though -- you'd have to match every single word against every person.
[01:52] <jwendell> hehe
[01:53] <jwendell> kiko, maybe a couple of checkbox in the comment area, each one with the name of possible subscribers
[01:54] <jwendell> kiko, if the person wants to call me, he checks my name
[01:54] <jwendell> kiko, of course, there are checkboxes only for subscribers for invalid tasks
[01:54] <jwendell> kiko, the others are notified normally
[01:55] <kiko> jwendell, how do you deal with bugs with 100 subscribers, like bug 1? :)
[01:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[01:55] <jwendell> kiko, it will be handled as today
[01:55] <jwendell> kiko, we're talking about invalid tasks
[01:56] <kiko> jwendell, oh, only for the contacts of invalid tasks?
[01:56] <jwendell> kiko, yep, only for those people we have checkboxes
[01:57] <kiko> jwendell, I think it's hard for the end-user to make a good decision there
[01:57] <jwendell> kiko, i think too, it would be useful for that case you cited above
[01:57] <jwendell> " one question is whether you wouldn't want to listen if somebody says "no, this isn't invalid!!""
[01:58] <jwendell> kiko, in that case, the person will check my name in checkbox and i will be notified by mail
[01:58] <jwendell> kiko, or even better, the name of invalid task
[01:59] <jwendell> kiko, me, as a bug contact would be notified
[02:02] <kiko> jwendell, well, the user could always just mark the task as valid again, and email you as part of that.
[02:02] <jwendell> kiko, yeah
[02:03] <Fujitsu> If someone was to say it's not invalid, they should be setting it to Incomplete or so anyway.
[02:03] <jwendell> kiko, so, you can safely now start fixing that bug then ;)
[02:04] <kiko> jwendell, actually I was disagreeing with your approach above. :-)
[02:04] <jwendell> hehe
[02:04] <jwendell> kiko, it was just insights hehe
[02:05] <kiko> I think if we made it easy for the person to say "This bug is not Invalid!" all our problems would be solved.
[02:31] <Kopfgeldjaeger> hi
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #139593 in launchpad-bazaar ""Permission denied: '/root/.bzr.log'" error from supermirror operations" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139593
[03:37] <kro> 0
[03:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[03:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I uploaded to PPA but forgot to put something in the changelog
[03:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the only sensible thing to do would be to upload the _same_ version with the right changelog, is this allowed?
[03:55] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: no, the same version won't get published, you have to increase the source version number.
[03:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Then, where do I write the missing change?
[03:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> correct place, in the changelog, would be under the version where I really made the change
[03:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> should I ignore this, and file it under new release changelog?
[03:57] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: up to you.
[03:57] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: 'your PPA, your rules'
[03:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what I mean is, if I write it "below", under the correct version number, will there be any problems later since we have two changelogs that have a "different opinion" about the same version?
[03:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> cprov: I intend to provide the package to let  people test a bugfix in universe
[03:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so it's my PPA, your rules :)
[03:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in the sense that I will try to get sponsored for universe
[03:58] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but maybe then I will have to put the version number back to ubuntu?
[03:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and, moreover, I forgot to add ~ppa to my version number
[03:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I think I
[03:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ...
[03:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> made a mess!
[03:59] <cprov> Le-Chuck_ITA: all those issues can be sorted with your sponsor, I don't know the context
[03:59] <jnthnjng> sorry if this sounds impatient (i'm not impatient, just curious), but does anybody know how long I am likely to wait to get approved for launchpad-beta-testers?  I'd like to try out the new PPA stuff.
[04:00] <kiko> mrevell, ^^^
[04:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok cprov, by now I will adjust my changelog as it should have been from the beginning
[04:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I think this makes more sense
[04:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then I will see with my sponsor when it'll be time
[04:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thank you
[04:07] <kcy29581> hi all, I have a query regarding entering and commenting on bugs: what exactly is the "Assigned to" field used for; when should it be used, and when should it not
[04:07] <mrevell> jnthnjng: Hi - I usually approve people within 24 hours of applying. I haven't done a batch today though. Let me take a look
[04:08] <kiko> kcy29581, if you don't know, don't use it. :-)
[04:08] <kiko> kcy29581, seriously, the assignee is the person who is going to fix that issue.
[04:08] <kiko> kcy29581, normally a person self-assigns to a bug. in some less standard situations, other people do allocations -- but that's not very free-software-ish IYKWIM
[04:09] <jnthnjng> mrevell: ok, thanks.  didn't mean to make you do it immediately, was just curious :)
[04:10] <mrevell> jnthnjng: No problem :) I'm happy to do it now.
[04:10] <mrevell> jnthnjng: I can't find a username that looks like it might be you though. What's your Launchpad username?
[04:10] <jnthnjng> Jonathon Jongsma
[04:11] <mrevell> jnthnjng: Ah, JonathOn, not JonathAn
[04:11] <jnthnjng> ah, yes
[04:13] <mrevell> jnthnjng: Right, you're iN! :)
[04:13] <jnthnjng> mrevell: many thanks
[04:13] <mrevell> jnthnjng: no problem :)
[04:25] <kcy29581> thanks for the answers guys
[04:26] <ubotu> New bug: #139606 in launchpad "Launchpad (build 4827) does not collapse quoted text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139606
[04:28] <kcy29581> kiko, that is obvious, yes... however, the reason I'm asking: after responded to a bug I entered, it does not appear in my "List reported bugs" in Launchpad. Anyone know why?
[04:29] <kcy29581> ignore that... after logging in and out, the bug now appears again
[04:29] <kcy29581> sorry guys
[04:30] <kiko> kcy29581, odd. looks like a caching issue, but.. we don't cache those pages.
[04:30] <kcy29581> oh well, it works now, so it's fine. Thanks. :)
[04:31] <kcy29581> Can anyone log in to Launchpad and change the status of any bug? I'm wondering if someone can simply log in and invalidate all the bugs entered!
[04:32] <kcy29581> I would like to understand exactly what the process is when a bug is entered, in order to ensure the right people get the right bugs
[04:36] <kiko> kcy29581, what project are you using LP to track bugs for?
[04:37] <kcy29581> Ubuntu
[04:39] <kcy29581> I use DevTrack at work, and Management have decided to use the "Assigned to" field in a way different to what it should be used for. So I'm wondering how the "Assigned to" field is used in Launchpad
[04:40] <kiko> kcy29581, it's used as "normally" it's used in other bugtrackers -- the person who is going to fix the bug assigns themselves to it.
[04:41] <kiko> kcy29581, if it's for Ubuntu, I think you'd do well to look at the Ubuntu QA documentation.
[04:41] <kcy29581> I will, thanks kiko. Is that found on the main Ubuntu site, in the Development section?
[04:42] <kcy29581> if you know, obviously!
[04:42] <kiko> kcy29581, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[04:42] <kiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[04:42] <kiko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[04:43] <kiko> kcy29581, those are good starting points.
[04:44] <kcy29581> thanks a lot kiko
[04:44] <Hobbsee> kiko!
[04:45] <kiko> tis me
[04:45] <Hobbsee> argh!
[04:47] <MiserySalin> hi there
[04:48] <MiserySalin> I wanted to ask how to tell PPA that he can use an original orig.tar.gz from gutsy respo. Error message: "Unable to find wxwidgets2.8_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[04:48] <MiserySalin> I used "debuild -S -sd"
[04:50] <kiko> I don't think we actually look up origs in the main distribution, do we cprov?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> we dont
[04:50] <cprov> kiko: no, we don't
[04:51] <cprov> kiko: users have to provide origs in their first upload
[04:51] <Hobbsee> (unfortunately)
[04:51] <MiserySalin> Well... than the error message is a little bit confusing. :-) But thanks.... 33 MB upload. yeah ;-)
[04:51] <MiserySalin> then
[04:56] <kiko> cprov, should be easy to fix, though.
[04:57] <cprov> kiko: yes, it should
[04:57] <kiko> MiserySalin, can you file a soyuz bug and annotate it with the tag "ppa"
[04:58] <kiko> MiserySalin, and we'll try and get it fixed for the next cycle?
[05:00] <MiserySalin> ok, thanks... I will file a bug for that.
[05:04] <kiko> thanks so much.
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #139616 in soyuz "Setup a proper interface for Publisher.Config" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139616
[05:19] <soren> bazaar.launchpad.net looks b0rken.
[05:19] <soren> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/apparmor/ubuntu-mathiaz
[05:19] <soren> case in point ^^
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #139619 in soyuz "Allow orig.tar.gz from distribution repos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139619
[05:21] <jtv> soren: strange URL... where does that link come from?
[05:21] <soren> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/apparmor/ubuntu-mathiaz
[05:21] <soren> jtv: ^^
[05:22] <soren> What's strange about it?
[05:22] <jtv> Well I don't usually hang out on bazaar.launchpad.net, but usually launchpad uses https not http.
[05:22] <jtv> Oh, I see now
[05:23] <jtv> So what's broken?
[05:24] <soren> Click here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/apparmor/ubuntu-mathiaz   :)
[05:25] <jtv> Yes, that is odd
[05:25] <soren> Yes. Hence "b0rken" :)
[05:25] <jtv> okay okay :)
[05:27] <jtv> soren: I'll see if I can get someone who knows more about bazaar
[05:28] <soren> Wicked.
[05:30] <mthaddon> soren, jtv: I'll check with IS
[05:30] <soren> Rock.
[05:31] <jtv> mthaddon: thanks
[05:31] <jtv> mthaddon: yet again :0
[05:31] <mthaddon> np
[05:44] <synic> ok... so bzr is definitely down?
[05:46] <mthaddon> soren, should be working now
[05:47] <mthaddon> soren, by which I mean you should be able to branch off that URL
[05:48] <synic> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[05:48] <synic> is what I'm getting
[05:49] <soren> mthaddon: Yes, it appears to work now.
[05:49] <soren> mthaddon: Thanks.
[05:49] <mthaddon> cool
[05:49] <kiko-phone> synic, mthaddon, mwh: fails for me too
[05:49] <mthaddon> synic, can you try again please (fix just put in place)
[05:50] <synic> same
[05:50] <mthaddon> synic, what command are you using to connect?
[05:51] <synic> Merging from remembered location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:51] <synic> ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection refused
[05:51] <synic> so just bzr merge
[05:51] <mthaddon> ok, thx - lemme check
[05:53] <superm1> indeed failing for me too
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #139633 in launchpad "Linking to bug reports in savannah.gnu.org doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139633
[06:01] <kiko-phone> dupe!
[06:02] <kiko-phone> kiko@whatever:~$ telnet bazaar.launchpad.net 22
[06:02] <kiko-phone> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[06:02] <kiko-phone> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[06:11] <radix> mwh: fix plz
[06:34] <elmo> fixed
[06:34] <superm1> new host it would appear?
[06:34] <superm1> Warning: Permanently added the RSA host key for IP address '<IP_ADDRESS>' to the list of known hosts.
[06:35] <elmo> no, just a new IP
[06:36] <kiko-phone> thanks el
[06:36] <kiko-phone> err
[06:36] <kiko-phone> elmo
[06:46] <superm1> how long does supermirror usually take?  I've had it going here for some 4 min now: Unable to obtain lock lp--1217712948:///lock
[06:46] <superm1> held by supermirror@vostok on host vostok [process #28413]
[06:46] <superm1> locked 4 minutes, 34 seconds ago
[06:51] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: There's a bug open for this.  I presume you're using bzr+ssh?
[06:51] <superm1> yes
[06:51] <superm1> Odd_Bloke, should I try to bzr break-lock it then?
[06:52] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: Yeah, but try using sftp to do so.
[06:53] <superm1> Odd_Bloke, afterward should i still do my push w/ bzr+ssh://, or just use sftp then?
[06:54] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: I think bzr+ssh should work.
[06:54] <Odd_Bloke> I only baguely remember how to workaround this.
[06:54] <superm1> so i dont supposed your subscribe to the bug and have it handy so i can subscribe to it?
[06:55] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: Not that I recall...
[06:55] <superm1> eh it happened again
[06:56] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/125420
[06:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125420 in launchpad-bazaar "supermirror tasking locks?" [Undecided,New]
[07:00] <superm1> ugh. this is fairly frustrating,  i still can't seem to break that lock.  :)
[07:01] <Odd_Bloke> superm1: Try doing everything over sftp?
[07:01] <superm1> yeah i tried
[07:01] <superm1> i think the problem came from when bazaar.launchpad.net went down earlier, someoen else was doign a bzr+ssh commit
[07:01] <superm1> and i broke that bzr+ssh commit myself with another bzr+ssh
[07:03] <superm1> hm well i'll give it a bit and try this again later i guess
[07:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have a problem with PPA
[07:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! Check your system clock make: *** [configure-stamp]  Error 1
[07:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> somebody knows if that can be my fault?
[07:13] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: is the version you are trying to upload lower than whats on there already?
[07:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well, I sent two consecutive versions in a short while
[07:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> may be it built first the last one
[07:14] <Le-Chuck_ITA> oh no sorry
[07:15] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's saying so for both versions
[07:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that looks like during a ./configure, so wouldnt relate to ppa
[07:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes it's in configure
[07:18] <gnomefreak> sorry miss read it and on phone :(
[07:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> here it is:
[07:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9279930/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.xournal_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> on a related note, if I write fixes (LP: #xxxxxx) in my changelog on my PPA
[07:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does LP close all bug reports that I claim fixed?
[07:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or is it dput ?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> lp closes all the bugs
[07:20] <Hobbsee> dput is just an uploader
[07:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[07:20] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i wonder if tha't fixed if you make -f Makefile.cvs....
[07:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I didn't know that PPA triggers this
[07:20] <Hobbsee> it does at the moment, and it's a bug
[07:20] <gnomefreak> PPA shouldnt should it?
[07:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[07:20] <gnomefreak> ah thats why
[07:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I will avoid uploading fixes on PPA
[07:22] <synic> is bzr fixed?
[07:22] <synic> it's just hanging now
[07:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnomefreak: what should I do for my build? I have to make a third upload, though?
[07:27] <gnomefreak> synic: i was just informed it was
[07:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I wanted to write "I have to make a third upload, though." without the question mark :)
[07:27] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: not sure fix package than bump version
[07:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok then we'll see if it builds
[07:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> how do I avoild LP marking bugs as fix released?
[07:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is removing lines from changelog the only way?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> Le-Chuck_ITA: yes for now
[07:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok thank you
[07:30] <soren> Le-Chuck_ITA: You can remove the X-Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed from your .changes file, if you're adventurous :)
[07:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> isn't that signed? no?
[07:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> maybe not
[07:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[07:30] <soren> Sure.
[07:30] <soren> Then you edit it and sign it again.
[07:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> nah
[07:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> too adventurous :) I
[07:31] <soren> Heh :)
[07:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye
[07:44] <soren> o/
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139654 in launchpad "Branch-scanner script should report "Failed to scan" as ERROR not INFO" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139654
[10:14] <kiko-afk> gnomefreak, we have about 130,000 issues in LP. which one are you talking about?
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #139685 in malone "In +txt pages there is no information about activity" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139685
[11:39] <gnomefreak> kiko-afk: looked like it was just a long lag before it was updated
[11:51] <gnomefreak> is it possible to subscribe toa  PPA? so i get mail on every upload. its for a team not personal PPA
[11:53] <Rinchen> gnomefreak, I don't think you can do that today but we are considering something like that for the future
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Rinchen: cool ty
[11:54] <Rinchen> and by that I mean I've already put in a request so I can do the same thing :-)
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Rinchen: sweet :)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> now to play with gdm
[11:56] <Rinchen> If you have specific suggestions you can of course file a bug
[11:56] <gnomefreak> Rinchen: so far all that i want is going to be added (or has atleast been thought about)
[11:57] <Rinchen> excellent
[12:06] <gnomefreak> is there a list of requests (wishlist bugs for PPA)
[12:08] <synic> failed to open trace file: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/root/.bzr.log'
[12:08] <synic> started getting this when trying any operation on bzr
[12:11] <Rinchen> gnomefreak, you can do a search in Launchpad for the "ppa" tag
[12:11] <Rinchen> synic, if it's a pure bzr comment then #bzr would be the place to ask
[12:11] <synic> dunno if it is or not.  It just suddenly started happening, on all my machines
[12:11] <synic> but I'll ask there
[12:12] <gnomefreak> its bzr i used to get that alot but it just went away one day
[12:17] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[12:40] <gnomefreak> this is bad


[00:18] <valorie> dang, missed the meeting
[00:19] <valorie> but I was in another meeting
[02:01] <pleia2> so, a couple days ago there was an offer for $10 for $50 of vistaprint stuff
[02:02] <pleia2> I got it and went ahead and ordered some UW stickers and business cards, we'll see how they turn out :)
[02:02]  * pleia2 paid for slow processing, so they said delivery in 3 weeks
[02:02] <pleia2> I figure if they are awful I'm only out $10 :)
[02:03]  * valorie needs moo cards
[02:04] <valorie> should have thought of it before the sprint
[02:04] <valorie> but def. ordering some before the desktop summit
[02:04] <pleia2> I was putting off getting moo cards, finally got them and realized soon after I needed a new gpg key (bigger bit), doh!
[02:04] <valorie> in fact, that reminds me to look up the website
[02:04] <pleia2> :)
[02:04] <valorie> haha
[02:04] <valorie> I've lost my key
[02:04] <pleia2> do
[02:04] <pleia2> doh
[02:05] <valorie> I guess I should recover it or generate a new one first
[02:05] <valorie> ugh
[02:05] <pleia2> oh, the business cards are the UW ones too
[02:05] <pleia2> lemme upload the svg I used
[02:05] <pleia2> used the new branding with elky's old cards
[02:05] <valorie> cool
[02:05] <valorie> but I'll probably want ... hmmm
[02:05] <valorie> kubuntu, u-w AND KDE
[02:05] <valorie> :(
[02:08] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-women-biz-info-card-2011.svg
[02:08] <pleia2> :)
[02:10] <valorie> maybe I can use that on the back, since it isn't personal
[02:10] <valorie> and kubuntu/KDE on the front with just logos
[02:11] <valorie> and my name, etc.
[05:03] <maco> pleia2: awww crap
[05:03] <maco> i didnt think about that
[05:03] <maco> the UW business cards i got for SELF have the old branding
[05:06] <pleia2> maco: yeah, I probably have 25 of the old branding that I'll give out before these new ones
[05:06] <maco> where is branding svg?
[05:06] <maco> just remembered, need to print banner
[05:06] <IdleOne> OR
[05:07] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources links to the lp and everything
[05:07] <IdleOne> you can autograph the old branded cards and sell them
[05:07] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~troy-sobotka/+junk/ubuntu-women-community-identity
[05:08] <IdleOne> for me awesome idea I would require one card be sent to me with autograph at no charge :)
[05:08] <IdleOne> s/me/my/
[05:09] <pleia2> haha
[05:09] <IdleOne> signed with IRC nick of course
[05:11] <IdleOne> I wonder how many Ubuntu members would be willing to send me a business card
[05:20] <pleia2> drat, a typo introduced itself when I went from svg to png on the business cards
[05:20] <pleia2> and those are the ones sent to print
[05:24] <pleia2> the "and" fell out, so they say "Involvement with Ubuntu can be exciting, social rewarding"
[05:24] <pleia2> oh well :)
[05:24] <pleia2> no one reads them anyway
[05:25] <pleia2> actually, they say "Involvement with Ubuntu can be exciting, and social rewarding"
[05:25] <pleia2> so it looks like when gimp opens it it gets confused about order


[00:16] <ian_brasil> rhp: something like dd bs-1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb
[00:16] <ian_brasil> where /dev/sdb is whatever your usb mounts as
[00:17] <ian_brasil> rhp: dd bs=1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb
[10:09] <lool> rhp: These were the older MIC images; the new images are live images, and shouldn't overwrite your disk
[12:16] <rhp> lool: cool
[12:17] <rhp> so now they run from the usb stick?
[12:18] <ogra-maemo> like a livecd (they are built using the same tools now)
[12:18] <persia> rhp: Indeed.
[12:18] <rhp> ian_brasil:  as far as I can tell, there is no difference between dd and cat <image> > /dev/sdb, but for some reason that does not result in a bootable usb scick.
[12:18] <rhp> nice.
[12:19] <ogra-maemo> dd does a binary copy by blocks, cat cats a stream from a to b
[12:19] <persia> rhp: It's copying bytes vs. blocks.
[12:19]  * persia stops typing, being inevitably too late and therefore redundant
[12:19] <rhp> ogra-maemo: what is the difference between those?
[12:19] <rhp> I've put images on disks before with cat, without problems..
[12:20] <ogra-maemo> using cat the bootsector wont work, it needs to have a certain blocksize
[12:20] <persia> Well, rather, it might work, but only if you get really lucky.
[12:21] <persia> Hrm.   I appear to have melted my USB stick :(
[12:23] <ogra-maemo> i managed to wear one out recently... the one i used for install tests on the cmpc since the beginning :)
[12:23] <ogra-maemo> but it survived 1.5y of nearly daily install tests
[12:24] <persia> I don't think I wore it out.  I just let someone else touch it.  My mini-A to full-B cable needed replacement, and I foolishly used my test stick to make sure the replacement cable worked at the shop.
[12:26]  * ogra-maemo cant belive nobody ported any dvb tools to maemo yet
[12:26] <ogra-maemo> (thats my usecase for such an adapter)
[12:29] <rhp> aside from dd-ing it directly to /dev/sdb, would it also be possible to create two partitions on the stick, one for the img file and the other for data files?
[12:31] <persia> rhp: Yes, but there's no guarantee the result would boot.  What I do is to add the couple files I need via loopmount, and they appear on the live system under /cdrom.
[12:31] <ogra-maemo> not with the current setup... caspper (the tool used for booting the image) has a persistent mode though, you cold use a second usb key for that
[12:31] <ogra-maemo> *casper
[12:32] <ogra-maemo> or a partition on the local hdd... look at wiki.ubuntu.com for persistent livecd
[12:33] <rhp> ok, clear enough. putting it on /dev/sdb1 was the first mistake then...
[12:33] <ogra-maemo>  yeah
[12:33] <rhp> Maybe some info on the dd-incantation would be usefull for the wiki/howto...
[12:34] <rhp> If things work nicely, I can just copy the image to the harddrive?
[12:34] <rhp> Or is there an installer for that purpose?
[12:35] <ogra-maemo> http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/announcing-the-first-ubuntu-mobile-image/
[12:35] <ogra-maemo> we uszally give the necessary commandline in the announcements
[12:39] <ogra-maemo> and i'm working on a gui tool,but its not ready yet https://launchpad.net/usb-imagewriter
[12:41] <ogra-maemo> welll, its functional, but the code isnt production ready
[12:42] <rhp> ok, I was looking through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded and couldn't find anything about it.
[12:42] <rhp> You're blob is a more authorative source of information?
[12:43] <rhp> blob -> blog...
[12:43] <ogra-maemo> no,its my blog :)
[12:43] <rhp> Those screenshots look great, by the way...
[12:44] <ogra-maemo> we should put something into the howto or faq section about dd i guess
[12:44] <ogra-maemo> (on the wiki)
[12:45] <ogra-maemo> i guess at some point we need a mobile team wiki for such announcements
[12:46] <ogra-maemo> the image announced there isnt yet built in the datacenter, once that happens i'll do an authoritative annou cement
[12:47] <ogra-maemo> (some time nexr week)
[12:47]  * ogra-maemo notices how different his typos are on an onscreen kbd :)
[12:59] <rhp> Turns out that old stylus 3400 does not support booting of the usb-stick directly. There is grub on the hd, though. I guess it would be easy to boot the usb-stick from grub?
[13:00] <persia> rhp: You'll need grub > 0.97, but it ought work.
[13:02] <persia> Also, you need the right hints available.  Seems Fujitsu may be annoying this way: if it doesn't work, you might need to do something like http://<IP_ADDRESS>/hacks/USB_Boot_using_GRUB.html#mozTocId210830
[13:02] <persia> Alternately, you might want a CD image.
[13:02] <persia> (but i don't know how to convert a USB image to a CD image)
[13:05] <rhp> Why would I want a CD image? There is no CD player in the device...
[13:05] <persia> Oh.  Then you don't.
[13:05] <persia> (unless you have an attachable bootable CD drive, but you may not)
[13:06] <rhp> On another system I also boot from the installed hd to run the root-fs on a usb-disk.
[13:06] <rhp> So I'm pretty sure I can so something similar here.
[13:06] <persia> You ought be able to do the same thing.
[13:07] <rhp> The initrd.img probably contains usb modules already?
[13:13] <persia> It ought, or at least USB stuff works for me.
[13:31] <rhp> ok, it is booting the kernel now, but after mentioning the squashfs info, it seems to stall...
[13:34] <rhp> ... or I just need to learn to have a little patience... I booted just fine!
[13:37] <rhp> At first glance, it looks great.
[13:37] <rhp> Unfortunately, the X input driver for my device is not included, so that'll be the first thing to fix. Trying that in a few hours.
[13:40] <persia> rhp: Which driver?
[13:57] <persia> ogra: You're just matching on "IDEACO", right?  Not the model or anything?
[13:58] <ogra> i'm matching the model because i apply defaults
[13:58] <ogra> ideaco in a different device needs a new fdi
[13:59] <persia> Hrm.  OK.
[14:00] <persia> I guess I'll run the calibration tool as soon as I can boot the Mobile image then.
[14:01] <ogra> i'm trying to generalize but i somewhat want it usable on a basic level without any calibration already
[14:01] <ogra> its a tricky situation
[14:14] <persia> Oh, I understand.  It's probably best to identify as many models as possible, and then try to set sensible defaults for all of them, with calibration for unsupported devices.
[14:15] <persia> At least now I actually have an evtouch device, which means I can produce something useful for you.
[14:19] <ogra> yay
[14:20] <ogra> well, i think the best thing for sensible defaults would be to ship a database and apply them in /etc/evtouch/config from the postinst
[14:20] <persia> That would make sense.
[14:20] <ogra> but that might be complicated
[14:21] <ogra> yu need to find out the hal device data etc
[14:21] <persia> Hrm.  Maybe the postinst isn't best then: imagine how to make it work in a live environment.
[15:29] <rhp> persia: I believe it is called the fpit driver.
[15:30] <rhp> I was included by default in the xubuntu 7.10 release (as far as I can recall), so it should not be difficult to get it included in ubuntu-mid too.
[15:30] <persia> Is that the radio pen?
[15:30] <rhp> radio pen?
[15:31] <persia> No, not likely difficult at all, it's just knowing which package supplied it, and making sure it works in -mid.
[15:31] <rhp> I do not know what that means, but it is a passive pen. I can operate it with my fingers too.
[15:31] <rhp> The package was actually called <something>-fpit, so that's a good clue :)
[15:31] <persia> My Stylistic 1000 had a radio-based pen, but that was ages ago, so I've no idea if newer tablets use the same tech.
[15:31] <rhp> ah, ok
[15:32] <persia> Try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-fpit and see if that works.
[15:33] <persia> (It may not, but I'm currently having issues checking things)
[17:19] <rhp> persia: can I apt-get install on the usb image as it is running?
[17:53] <lool> ogra: Did you commit po/de/LC_MESSAGES/usb-imagewriter.mo in usb-imagewriter on purpose?!?
[18:16] <ogra-maemo> indeed
[18:17] <ogra-maemo> anything wrong about that ?
[18:41] <lool> ogra: Isn't it a generated file?
[18:41] <ogra-maemo> there are scripts in the tree
[18:41] <lool> Anyway, not my business
[18:41] <ogra-maemo> i needed  a .po for rosetta
[18:42] <lool> Yeah, but why commit the .mo?
[18:42] <lool> Anyway, you do as you please
[18:44] <ogra-maemo> oh,the .mo... i was only testing the translatability to make sure i didnt miss strings
[19:09] <rhp> ok, I'm up to the point where everything boots fine. However I have no wifi-access (it puts my wifi nic in the wired list...), and the touch screen doesnot work (but I cannot apt-get, since I have no network...)
[19:09] <rhp> Any ideas how to get wifi working?
[19:24] <biz_den6140> Hi, there! The HELP on Ubuntu MID is needed, looking for a team members or proes able to assist, thanks
[19:37] <biz_den6140> ANYONE ALIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!??????????
[19:41] <rhp> biz_den6140; no, but I am pretty sure that is not the best way to get help.
[19:41] <rhp> Maybe it would help to state your problem...
[19:41] <biz_den6140> Oh. I'm really sorry
[19:41] <biz_den6140> OK
[19:42] <biz_den6140> Here it goes
[19:42] <biz_den6140> Does MID have locals in other languages?
[19:44] <rhp> biz_den6140: i'm still working on getting it running, then I'll bother running it in dutch :)
[19:46] <biz_den6140> I meant does it has the same way of localization as Main Ubuntu has: like downloading it while installing or something?
[20:02] <rhp> biz_den6140: I think the pro's have gone to bed, it seems pretty quiet now...
[20:08] <biz_den6140> rhp: oops, ok time for me to go too, thanks anyway, I'll try to get help later on
[20:14] <rhp> okido
[20:19] <crevette> hello
[20:20] <biz_den6140> crevette, Hi, there!
[21:59] <[doctor]> hello, can anybody list locales in ubuntu mid?
[22:22] <rhp> ogra-maemo: I tried following your script to update an image, but it seems that my system does not recognize squashfs as a filesystemtype. I tried unsquash instead, but that complains about a too low version.
[22:22] <rhp> What are the minimal system-requirements for running the script? It seems 7.10 is too outdated.
[22:37] <ogra-maemo> it was developed on 8.10
[22:38] <rhp> ah, that's... recent.
[22:39] <rhp> unfortunately I broke my laptop today trying to see whether the mccaslin image would have working wifi... didn't remember it would overwrite my harddrive.
[22:39] <rhp> So maybe I should just install 8.10 on that.
[22:43] <rhp> ok, see you all tomorrow.
[23:08] <ian_brasil> anyone know if there is a driver available for the Q1 web cam?
[23:48] <ogra-maemo> ian_brasil, uvcvideo would be the right one, but still cant handle it
[23:52] <ian_brasil> ogra-maemo: yes, i saw that it is not uvc standard..incidentally I am not sure you saw this last week but i was playing around learning  pygtk and wrote some really simple frontend to your evtouch calibration tool http://paste.ubuntu.com/50238/ ...maybe it is a start (if you did not already write some UI that is)
[23:53] <ogra-maemo> cool !
[23:55] <ogra-maemo> i threw together a glade file for the extended options today, but the calibration is still the old script with some zenity/xdialog crap for user intteraction
[23:56] <ogra-maemo> lets merge that in jaunty, intrepid is sadly in beta and ui freeze, i'll only be able to get .fdi files in to avoid hw regressions


[00:16] <CIA-32> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5365 trunk/debian/ (changelog rules): Do a better job of removing .la files.


[01:55] <lajjr> Rocket2DMn, thanks for merging...
[06:54] <mdke> jbicha: your commit of yesterday, I think we should revert it. The translation deadline is quite close now and I don't think there is enough time. Typo corrections create new strings too even though the change is minor.
[06:58] <jbicha> mdke: when can we fix typos then?
[07:05] <mdke> jbicha: before string freeze?
[07:05] <mdke> jbicha: or after the release
[07:07] <jbicha> ok, I can revert rev 49 for now, do you want to update the pot for rev 48?
[07:13] <mdke> jbicha: oh, was that not done?
[07:13] <mdke> bugger
[07:14] <mdke> how many string changes are there in rev 48?
[07:14] <mdke> hmm.
[07:15] <jbicha> mdke: rev 48 is a single typo which I can replace & the Help page for Vino/Desktop Sharing
[07:15] <jbicha> *I can revert
[07:16] <mdke> ok, since we are giving new strings to the translators now either way, we might as well go and do the rev 49 changes and update the pot file for that at the same time. Then we can send them a message to tell them to translate the new strings asap
[07:16] <mdke> I will probably export the translations this weekend or early next week so they have a few days
[07:16] <mdke> it's either that or revert 48 too, which seems a shame
[07:18] <mdke> can you take care of this? I need to go to work. For updating the pot file, just use "./autogen.sh; cd ubuntu-help; make pot"
[07:18] <jbicha> the new page shouldn't break things too badly though, right? there's still some time before release
[07:18] <jbicha> & how do I get the pot into LP?
[07:18] <mdke> just commit to bzr
[07:19] <mdke> lp will update automatically from that
[07:19] <jbicha> ok, I'll revert the 48 typo & just push the new page
[07:19] <jbicha> we can push all the typos at stable release as you suggested
[07:19] <mdke> ok! Thanks a lot
[07:20]  * mdke gone
[08:30] <jbicha> mdke: looks like the System Settings launcher item is happening anyway
[20:09] <mdke> jbicha: typical. Will the current instructions be broken or will they just be adding an item? Assume the latter so no action needed from us
[20:10] <jbicha> mdke: just adding, but it affects screenshots
[20:10] <mdke> but we haven't done screenshots yet, right?
[20:11] <jbicha> right, I was going to work on it later today, finally got my bluetooth computer working (I wanted a bluetooth indicator shown)
[20:11] <mdke> if it will hold you up, I would just go ahead and make them anyway, i guess it won't be too serious
[20:12] <jbicha> yeah, it's not a big deal
[20:13] <jbicha> I'm sure you saw the new bug I opened to make Help more visible, I think JohnLea is looking for a perfect solution and not a stopgap for Oneiric :(
[20:14] <jbicha> there's a definite communication problem between Docs/Translation & Design though
[20:14] <mdke> it seems to me that Design isn't very good at communication generally
[20:15] <jbicha> maybe they think they can make the UI so good it won't need documentation...
[20:15] <mdke> the way they dealt with that help icon bug was essentially a "let's shove this under the carpet because it doesn't happen to be on our list of priorities and we don't like discussing on bugs"
[20:16] <jbicha> it's ironic timing with System Settings, which now has half a dozen or more ways to start it
[20:16] <mdke> even when they took the time to type a comment, it didn't actually say anything
[20:17] <jbicha> I have trouble coming up with user cases for help because it just seems so obvious to me, & the admittedly few I've talked to had no idea there was useful help pre-installed
[20:18] <mdke> yes, it is obvious
[20:18] <mdke> but if you have a preconceived idea that everything needs to be specced up rather than fixing a simple bug, then everything gets complicated
[20:19] <mdke> particularly since once you design and implement a spec, you just change everything around the next release anyway
[20:19] <mdke> like the Session Menu
[20:20] <mdke> rant mode off
[20:21] <jbicha> :)
[23:25] <skaet> Hiya,  There's a UIFE request pending that the desktop team would like to get in before final freeze,  could https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/860243 please be reviewed and commented on?
[23:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 860243 in unity-greeter "UIFE: Darken indicator bar" [Wishlist,New]
[23:30] <jbicha> skaet: good evening, I added a +1
[23:30] <skaet> thanks jbicha!! :)


[01:10] <titan_ark> .
[02:34] <nikolam> .
[05:31] <Balsaq> good morning resident coders of xubuntu.
[05:48] <bazhang> Balsaq, hi
[06:17] <Balsaq> yellow bazhang!
[06:17] <bazhang> hehe
[06:18] <Balsaq> your name is not highlighted yet you can speak?
[06:20] <bazhang> you mean marked away?
[06:23] <Balsaq> yes, and it is light color as though you are not present
[06:24] <bazhang> well it keeps people guessing whether I am here or not :)
[07:06] <Balsaq> Sysy-!!!
[07:06] <Balsaq> Sysi-!
[07:23] <bazhang> Balsaq, if you get back on the linux ubuntu box you might try chanserv.py with xchat
[07:24] <bazhang> Balsaq, ie for your own channel
[07:24] <Balsaq> hmmm why is that
[07:24] <Balsaq> actually xubuntu had one built right in
[07:25] <Balsaq> nice one
[07:25] <bazhang> ah okay
[07:25] <bazhang> chanserv.py is written by Seveas, one of the Ubuntu IRC early mavens
[07:25] <Balsaq> maybe it is the one you mentioned..i installed it thru the terminal i think
[07:26] <bazhang> lets you use lots of simple commands to set topic, and other things you need to do with far fewer commands/typing etc
[07:26] <Balsaq> i will read about that one...sounds different actually
[07:26] <Balsaq> link?
[07:26] <bazhang> first hit on google
[07:26] <bazhang> chanserv.py
[07:28] <Balsaq> got it up on my laptop next to me
[07:28] <Balsaq> kaarsemaker
[07:29] <bazhang> just copy that to ~/.xchat2 folder
[07:32] <Sysi-> morning Balsaq
[07:33] <Balsaq> Sysi- !!!  Supreme Master Xubuntu Techician Dude!
[07:34] <Sysi-> or not :p
[07:35] <Sysi-> or maybe i just know too 1337 debian hackers
[07:37] <Balsaq> my problem is....my xubuntu 904 computer never breaks! so i never learn how to fix xubuntu!
[07:38] <Sysi-> following irc and forums is pretty good way
[07:41] <Balsaq> i wish i could write code
[07:41] <Balsaq> would love to write code for xubuntu
[07:43] <Balsaq> now it seems like they are trying to best xubuntu with lubuntu or stuff like that
[08:57] <syn-ack> Good morning people... Could someone please tell me exactly how much XFCE4 in Xubuntu differs from the mainline distribution? The Documentation at xfce's site doesn't seem to match up with what's in this at all
[09:00] <syn-ack> Nevermind. I see what it is. this is version 4.6... I'll shut up and eat crow. :/
[09:08] <balvonas> syn-ack: not much differs
[09:15] <syn-ack> yeah, I figured out why the XFCE docs wern't working. ;)
[13:20] <valentinex> all here are xubuntu users?
[13:21] <valentinex> i have installed a new PCI sound card, how to activate in my xubuntu?
[13:21] <valentinex> ping
[13:21] <valentinex> buzz
[13:21] <valentinex> buzz | all
[13:22] <valentinex> :(
[13:25] <knome> !patience | valentinex
[13:26] <valentinex> ubottu
[13:26] <valentinex> tnx
[13:33] <valentinex> how to check these
[13:33] <valentinex> Does the device /dev/dsp exist?
[13:33] <valentinex> Are you a member of the group "audio"? (check /etc/group)
[13:33] <valentinex> Can you send something directly to the sound device, like
[13:33] <valentinex> $ cat /var/log/kern.log > /dev/dsp8
[13:34] <knome> 1. does 'ls /dev/dsp' give you any output in terminal?
[13:35] <knome> 2. is your username in 'cat /etc/group | grep audio' output in terminal?
[13:35] <knome> 3. does the command issued give error messages?
[13:37] <valentinex> oh its working fine now, actually the PCI card is of so low quality giving low sound ... card problem :(
[13:38] <valentinex> how to choose my PCI card as default system sound device in xubuntu?
[13:56] <Psilocybin_Elf> Maybe go into your sound settings I think?
[14:13] <LetsGo67> My LAN-hosted HTTP server is slow! How do I speed it up, please?
[14:16] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: be more specific
[14:16] <LetsGo67> TheSheep: tu parles français?
[14:16] <TheSheep> nope
[14:16] <knome> !fr | LetsGo67
[14:16] <LetsGo67> 30 seconds within the LAN, 5 seconds via proxy; to load a HTML document with lots of graphics.
[14:16] <LetsGo67> Ne fonctionne pas.
[14:16] <knome> ymm
[14:16] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: static content?
[14:17] <LetsGo67> TheSheep define "static content".  It's not DHTML.
[14:17] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: is it generated on the server side, or just kept in files?
[14:23] <LetsGo67> Kept in files.
[14:25] <LetsGo67> TheSheep?
[14:27] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: I'd use top to see what's making the server so busy
[14:27] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: it should serve static files really fast
[14:28] <LetsGo67> TheSheep: "top" on the server itself, or on remote PC?
[14:31] <TheSheep> LetsGo67: on the server
[14:44] <LetsGo67> TheSheep top doesn't work on my server.
[14:45] <TheSheep> how so?
[14:46] <LetsGo67> Command not found.  Anyway.  I can ping from the client to the sever.
[14:46] <LetsGo67> But I cannot ping from the server to the client.
[14:47] <TheSheep> just install it
[14:47] <LetsGo67> I don't know how.
[14:47] <TheSheep> I thought that top is installed by default on xubuntu
[14:47] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install top
[14:47] <LetsGo67> This is an old computer.  It can't handle much.  It's not Xubuntu but I asked here just in case.
[14:48] <TheSheep> what is it then?
[14:48] <LetsGo67> A lightweight distro of some sort.
[14:48] <knome> asking a wrong channel "just in case" isn't particularly wise.
[14:48] <knome> doesn't help you much and we can't really help you
[14:48] <LetsGo67> It's all I can do.
[14:49] <LetsGo67> Is 104ms any good?
[14:49] <knome> no
[14:49]  * TheSheep gets bored and goes away
[14:49] <knome> yeah
[14:49] <LetsGo67> It's all I can get.
[14:49]  * knome too
[14:50] <knome> i'm sorry, but this is not the right place.
[14:50] <knome> ask ##linux
[14:50] <knome> or sth
[14:50] <LetsGo67> Doesn't anyone own a server?
[14:50] <knome> that's a completely different thing.
[14:51] <LetsGo67> Why is it slow on the LAN but fast on the web?
[14:55] <LetsGo67> Could it be Wi-Fi?
[15:25] <LetsGo67> Thanks a lot.
[16:52] <Balsaq> good morning xubuntu developers, coders, engineers and casual observers!
[16:54] <likemindead> (Mostly lurkers.)
[17:03] <Balsaq> one thing i added to my xubuntu computer was bleachbit. when i am done using the computer i run bleachbit. it is supposed to help keep the computer in a "fresh instal'' state. Seems to be working.
[17:04] <rascal999> how do i enable bluetoth?
[17:06] <likemindead> !bluetooth
[17:15] <nwadawg> hi all
[17:19] <likemindead> What're the current favorite emulators for NES, SNES, & Genesis?
[17:51] <Hammercat> hhay i have got a problem
[17:52] <Hammercat> at a site where i want multi upload : it asks for a plugin but the plugin finder cant find them
[17:54] <likemindead> In Firefox? What is it?
[17:55] <Hammercat> when i use : firefox
[17:55] <Hammercat> at a site
[17:55] <Hammercat>  and i will do a multi upload he ask for a plugin but the finder cant find the plug in but last time he did normal (the firefox
[19:25] <syn-ack> Got a weird issue going on with Xubuntu... Seems that when cold booting, when it gets to the point of loading the Window Manager, that I get weird "writing" of chars to VT 7, thus forcing me to have to log into the system via VT1 and restarting gdm afterwhich it loads everything just fine.
[19:26] <syn-ack> I haven't been able to trace it back to anything particular and admittedly, I have not checked the forums yet, I thought I'd try here and see if anyone else has had this issue, and if not, I'll file a bug report on it
[19:57] <red> heya! i migrated from ubuntu to xubuntu and have a little problem with fstab and not getting my stuff mounted automatically
[19:58] <red> this workden in ubuntu: /dev/sda3       /media/Red              ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000       0        0
[19:58] <red> however, once I rebooted, nothing appeared in xubuntu
[19:59] <red> wrong syntax or missing some package?
[19:59] <Sysi> we talked about this at #ubuntu-fi?
[19:59] <red> aye
[20:00] <Sysi> fstab-level should work still..
[20:00] <red> I went for a fresh install after I figured out tearing problems and worked fine in xubuntu desktop
[20:00] <red> but wanted a fresh install :)
[20:00] <red> everything else runs fine
[20:01] <Sysi> do those folders where you have selected to mount exist?
[20:01] <red> Sysi: was there something else to it that I forgot then mhh?
[20:02] <red> ill create the folders and try a remount, could be it since it was required in netbook remix of ubuntu aswell
[20:03] <red> and that was it, ty for making me remember it as a side effect :>
[20:20] <slow-motion> hi
[21:37] <red> using blueman to pair up a bluetooth device (phone) but it won't send nor receive the call for pairing with a number
[21:42] <titan_ark> hello =)
[21:48] <titan_ark> i wanted to know how i can set up ssh. need to do that and tunnling etc to access my school unix system. on windows i used putty and tight vnc
[21:50] <TheSheep> titan_ark: open a terminal and type 'ssh username@adres'
[21:50] <TheSheep> titan_ark: that's all
[21:51] <titan_ark> TheSheep: okay thank you. shall try
[21:58] <titan_ark> TheSheep: what about the need to tunnel, etc for security?
[22:03] <TheSheep> titan_ark: there are some good howtos on ssh port forwarding
[22:03] <TheSheep> titan_ark: google for it
[22:03] <titan_ark> TheSheep: okay. will do
[22:03] <titan_ark> thx a bunch
[22:26] <titan_ark> TheSheep: why is it that i cant connect to my school server through any other port but 22? and i see that 22 is supposed to be insecure
[23:04] <gnubie> cannot find where I can change the default DVD movie player to vlc
[23:05] <charlie-tca> titan_ark: it is because that is the way the school set it up
[23:05] <charlie-tca> You can not change the port from your end
[23:23] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: ah okay.
[23:23] <slow-motion> n8
[23:24] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: i cant seem to do anything else besides installing putty and xvnc4vewer, but i cant resize the window. its too small
[23:25] <charlie-tca> Don't know much about that. I don't use any of it except ssh myself
[23:26] <charlie-tca> I know you are always the client, in the documentation. The school is the server, and you won't be able to make any changes to the server, most likely.
[23:27] <knome> hello charlie :)
[23:30] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome :-)
[23:30] <charlie-tca> How are you today?
[23:30] <knome> fine! starting to get over the busiest times
[23:31] <charlie-tca> Great! Always good to be busy, before the calm
[23:31] <knome> yeah, i suppose so. i can see more busy stuff coming in the next week again, though..
[23:32] <knome> i think this is what you get when you study and run a business parallely
[23:32] <charlie-tca> there is always more, just ahead, isn't there?
[23:32] <knome> yeah, that's painfully true :P
[23:32] <charlie-tca> It is not easy to try to study and run a business at the same time.
[23:32] <charlie-tca> they are both full-time things
[23:33] <knome> yeah. or at least almost ;)
[23:33] <knome> you can skip some classes
[23:34] <charlie-tca> Hey, did we have a xubuntu usplash theme in karmic?
[23:34] <knome> yeah. the one with the white mice.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah. okay.
[23:35] <knome> well, a white mouse actually.
[23:37] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: okay =) thank you
[23:37] <charlie-tca> np, wish I could help more
[23:37] <Sachse_Siechtum>  I dont have sound in enemy territory
[23:38] <knome> Sachse_Siechtum, that's good, since you have to remain silent when sneak attacking.
[23:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> LOL...
[23:38] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: yes i have another request then :P i am presently using a kde version. i wanted to get the xfce or gnome interface too because i seem to find this too cluttered.
[23:38] <knome> titan_ark, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> no really once I had sound... when I used these commands: sudo killall esd
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> sudo -i
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> exit
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> et
[23:39] <titan_ark> knome: but wont it install all xubuntu apps also? it would be huge!
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> but it doesnt work anymore
[23:39] <charlie-tca> titan_ark: yes, it will. But it would let you use xfce then
[23:39] <ron_o> titan_ark, not that huge, and with Synaptic before you download it will tell how big everything is..
[23:40] <ron_o> probably under 100MB.
[23:40] <titan_ark> charlie-tca, ron_o: okay. shall give it a try.
[23:40] <titan_ark> and how difficult would it be to remove everything later if i want to
[23:41] <ron_o> should be as easy as downloading it.
[23:41] <titan_ark> ron_o: whoa it says 690 MB of space will be used for install!
[23:41] <ron_o>  titan_ark it won't.
[23:42] <ron_o> but if it does then don't install it is all.
[23:42] <ron_o> rather, if it's too big for you then don't. That's what linux is about; choice.
[23:42] <titan_ark> well thats what it says and is asking for confirmation [Y/N]
[23:42] <titan_ark> hmmm
[23:42] <ron_o> 690 MB?
[23:43] <titan_ark> how can i check how much free space i have?
[23:43] <titan_ark> ron_o: yes 691 to be precise
[23:43] <ron_o> that sounds ridiculous..
[23:43] <titan_ark> 0 upgraded, 333 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:43] <titan_ark> Need to get 152MB of archives
[23:43] <titan_ark> thats what it says
[23:43] <ron_o> well, 152MB? And then what?
[23:43] <titan_ark> After this operation, 691MB of additional disk space will be used.
[23:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> starting ET I get this in the terminal: ------- sound initialization -------
[23:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[23:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> Could not open /dev/dsp
[23:44] <ron_o> wow.,, I find that hard to believe. But it says what it says. So don't d/l it.
[23:44] <titan_ark> ron_o: :D okay. is there a terminal way to check whats the size of the partition i have kubuntu installed and how much is free?
[23:45] <knome> ron_o, the mileage from kde to xfce is probably way bigger then from gnome to xfce
[23:45] <ron_o> titan_ark, $ df -H
[23:45] <ron_o> knome, yah... no doubt.
[23:46] <titan_ark> ron_o: whoa a basic install of kubuntu has taken 7.3 gigs :O
[23:47] <titan_ark> and i hardly have much data on this boot!
[23:47] <ron_o> yah, K--anything is a monster.
[23:48] <titan_ark> lol
[23:48] <ron_o> I think on xubuntu it took around 100MB just to install K3b..
[23:48] <knome> like knome
[23:48] <knome> ;]
[23:48]  * charlie-tca thinks 7gb for kubuntu sounds about right. Xubuntu takes a good 1.5GB now
[23:48] <titan_ark> i was hearing alot about kde and so thought i would give it a try
[23:48] <titan_ark> lol knome
[23:48] <ron_o> titan_ark, you can try xubuntu in a virtual OS to give it a try and see if you like it.
[23:49] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: hmmm as bloated as windows :S
[23:49] <charlie-tca> let's hope not, titan_ark
[23:49] <titan_ark> ron_o: i have tried it before and liked it on my age old box. since i have a new notebook i thought i had the resources to spare
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Hell, windows is going to fix a 17-year old bug next week! Yay microsoft!
[23:49] <titan_ark> charlie-tca: :D
[23:50] <charlie-tca> And they say they are slow
[23:50] <knome> charlie-tca, which one?
[23:50] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe removing windows from the market?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> IE; believe the one google reported
[23:51] <knome> link?
[23:51] <titan_ark> how difficult is it to recompile the kernel with a patch for a noob?
[23:51] <knome> titan_ark, probably something you don't want to do.
[23:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> what kinda bug?
[23:52] <titan_ark> knome: i am facing trouble with my power management. the bug fix is available but needs a recompile :P
[23:52] <titan_ark> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/453963
[23:54] <knome> titan_ark, well, there *are* debs in http://turtle.wastelands.net/dragon/stuff/
[23:56] <titan_ark> knome: yes i see, but they are external links
[23:56] <knome> titan_ark, true. but either you install those, recompile your kernel and kill your brain or wait
[23:56] <titan_ark> and i am also not sure, if i do this will i get kernel updates and would i have to patch them also
[23:56] <titan_ark> knome: :D yeah
[23:57] <knome> well, new kernels from the ubuntu repositories should have that patch as well
[23:57] <knome> starting from a release i don't know, so it might be a few releases before it gets included
[23:58] <titan_ark> well the latest 31-19 doesnt
[23:58] <titan_ark> i just updated 2 days back and i still face the problem
[23:59] <knome> yeah - as i said, you can wait
[23:59] <knome> i don't think it will take too much time, but if you need it NOW...
[23:59] <titan_ark> hmmm true
[23:59] <titan_ark> i guess il be patient :)